[00:00] <OvenWerks> to the right of that there is a v and a >
[00:00] <OvenWerks> click on the > and you should get a list that includes HDA probably.
[00:01] <OvenWerks> hw:PCH on mine
[00:01] <lucas__> its set to default
[00:01] <lucas__> should i change to hw:q25
[00:02] <OvenWerks> no
[00:02] <OvenWerks> click on the > beside the box for a list
[00:02] <lucas__> ok
[00:03] <lucas__> that box is open
[00:03] <lucas__> we are on output device correct?
[00:03] <OvenWerks> Assuming an Intel board the audio is probably some kind of HDA, but in my case that is hw:PCH, click on thethat
[00:04] <OvenWerks> no it is best to leave inout and ouytput device set to (default)
[00:04] <OvenWerks> just use Interface above that which sets both the same
[00:04] <lucas__> k
[00:05] <lucas__> for interface options i have hw:sb and hw:sb, 0
[00:06] <OvenWerks> The first will do.
[00:06] <lucas__> ok - switched
[00:07] <OvenWerks> The rest of the defaults are probably fine so click OK
[00:07] <lucas__> ok done, now restart jack?
[00:07] <OvenWerks> The start button is on the top left :)
[00:08] <lucas__> haha there it is!
[00:08] <lucas__> ok jack is restarted
[00:08] <lucas__> interface is set at hw:sb
[00:08] <OvenWerks> ok one more small step from the command line (terminal)
[00:09] <lucas__> k
[00:09] <OvenWerks> a2j_control ehw start
[00:09] <lucas__> k done
[00:09] <lucas__> output
[00:09] <lucas__> a2j_control ehw start
[00:09] <lucas__> whoops
[00:09] <lucas__> --- enable export of hardware ports
[00:10] <lucas__> --- start
[00:10] <OvenWerks> (after it is running at least once this can be added to qjackctl config)
[00:10] <OvenWerks> yes that looks good.
[00:10] <OvenWerks> in qjackctl there is a connect button
[00:10] <lucas__> i see it
[00:10] <OvenWerks> it opens a window that shows audio and midi
[00:10] <lucas__> connections are open
[00:11] <OvenWerks> if you click the MIDI tab you should see a2j
[00:11] <lucas__> yup, i see it
[00:11] <OvenWerks> if you click on expand at the bottom you should see your kb
[00:12] <lucas__> yup, there it is
[00:12] <OvenWerks> Cool, now we can start ardour.
[00:12] <lucas__> sweeet
[00:13] <lucas__> ardour up and running
[00:14] <OvenWerks> track->addtrack
[00:14] <OvenWerks> change the type to midi
[00:14] <OvenWerks>  and ok
[00:14] <OvenWerks> now you need to do two things
[00:15] <lucas__> k...
[00:15] <lucas__> track added
[00:15] <OvenWerks> connect your keyboard and select a softsynth
[00:16] <lucas__> is that a sep. app from the start menu or is that in ardour?
[00:16] <OvenWerks> View->show editor mixer
[00:16] <lucas__> k open
[00:16] <OvenWerks> it probably show master, you want to switch it to midi
[00:17] <OvenWerks> alt/down arrow will switch it
[00:17] <lucas__> i have a track above that says master and one below that says midi 1
[00:17] <OvenWerks> I mean in the mixer strip
[00:18] <lucas__> k
[00:18] <lucas__> in the mixer strip it is showing midi 1
[00:18] <OvenWerks> ok
[00:18] <OvenWerks> does it have master on top of that
[00:19] <OvenWerks> Sorry, trying to rememebr what it looks like :)
[00:19] <lucas__> no, does it need to?  i can change with the alt command you told me
[00:19] <OvenWerks> no
[00:19] <lucas__> your doing this from memory?  your a rockstar
[00:20] <lucas__> ok the mixer strip does not say master above midi 1
[00:20] <OvenWerks> it should have the top part with the X in the corner then MIDI 1 right under and the box/button under that may be blank
[00:20] <OvenWerks> click on that box under MIDI 1
[00:21] <lucas__> ok - that one saus a2j
[00:21] <lucas__> says*
[00:21] <OvenWerks> It should show two lines one for through and one for your kb.
[00:22] <OvenWerks> (pick your kb of course)
[00:23] <lucas__> ok i think i got it
[00:23] <lucas__> a green dot?
[00:23] <lucas__> no way to send screen shots on IRC i assume ha
[00:24] <OvenWerks> let me look.
[00:25] <OvenWerks> Ya
[00:26] <lucas__> ok - i have green dots on both midi thu and the q25 keyboard
[00:26] <OvenWerks> going down you should see a dark area with reasonable synth and fader
[00:26] <lucas__> ok i see them
[00:26] <OvenWerks> If you play the kb do you get any activity?
[00:27] <lucas__> yeah!
[00:27] <OvenWerks> Sound too?
[00:27] <OvenWerks> Should be pianoish
[00:27] <lucas__> yup i am getting both :)
[00:28] <OvenWerks> OK, what you are hearing is reasonable synth which is a very basic synth with just the one sound
[00:28] <OvenWerks> It is there just so that there is some sound.
[00:28] <lucas__> ok cool, i am getting input though that is great
[00:28] <OvenWerks> It is the box just above Fader
[00:29] <OvenWerks> you can replace that with another plugin that has more options :)
[00:30] <lucas__> nice.  so i can have a ton of different sounds hypothetically
[00:30] <OvenWerks> The calf Fluid synth would work for example (If its there 14.04 is two years old now)
[00:30] <OvenWerks> There are quite a few.
[00:30] <lucas__> i think what i will do is update the os to the latest version so i am on top of the game
[00:31] <OvenWerks> End of april 16.04 will be coming out.
[00:32] <lucas__> very cool
[00:32] <lucas__> i really appreciate the help
[00:32] <lucas__> some of the keys arent working consistently but this is a good start
[00:32] <OvenWerks> I do use 14.04 here but as I do some work on Ardour I self build latest from the ardour site.
[00:33] <OvenWerks> So I have ardour 4.7.*
[00:33] <lucas__> so once i get my mixer back, i can add instruments via a microphone into ardour i assume?
[00:33] <OvenWerks> With audio tracks
[00:34] <lucas__> cool
[00:34] <OvenWerks> You would plug in your other audio interface and setup qjackctl to use that
[00:35] <lucas__> ok.  damn I wish i had that here now, i could play around with this all night
[00:35] <lucas__> this is gonna be a fun hobby :)
[00:38] <OvenWerks> Enjoy, if you have more questions, ask. you may have to wait a while for someone to answer as lots of us just leave IRC on if we are here or not
[00:38] <OvenWerks> so your answer may come soon or later.
[00:38] <lucas__> ok man sounds good.  again, thank you and have a good weekend!  Im sure ill be on here asking more questions as I delv deeper down the rabbit hole
[00:48] <OvenWerks> lucas__: Not finding anything nice about the tascam us1800 and Linux.
[00:48] <lucas__> hmmm..
[00:48] <lucas__> that aint good ha
[00:49] <lucas__> any suggestions on a small interface?
[00:49] <OvenWerks> The thing that tipped me off is that OSx needs drivers.
[00:50] <lucas__> yeah, my buddy uses pro logic when we record live
[00:50] <lucas__> im sure he had to d/l some drivers to make it work
[00:50] <lucas__> i need to find just a small 2 or 4 input interface for dinking around at home
[00:51] <lucas__> ill have to do some research
[00:51] <OvenWerks> Ya, anything that just work with OSx should work with linux.
[00:51] <OvenWerks> They are called "class compliant"
[00:52] <OvenWerks> I notice the Tascam site says this is discontinued.
[00:52] <lucas__> ok sounds good.  shouldnt be too had to fine
[00:52] <lucas__> find
[00:53] <lucas__> im pretty exited that i am able to revice an older tower and do some basic stuff at home without having to spend an arm and a leg
[00:53] <lucas__> fun little project
[00:54] <lucas__> ill prob throw some more ram at this pc to get it as a fun idea pad
[00:54] <OvenWerks> If it has an actual sound card in it the line in might be ok with some small mixer or preamp. But two input mic/line/instrument USB interfaces are pretty easy to find.
[00:55] <lucas__> that would probably be the route i would take.  then i would have everything I need in the one box
[00:55] <lucas__> what do  you use?
[00:56] <OvenWerks> I have an older m-audio delta66
[00:56] <OvenWerks> It requires a PCI slot :)
[00:57] <OvenWerks> I use a 199* Mackie CR1604 mixer for mic preamps. From back when Mackie had nice pre
[00:58] <lucas__> very cool
[00:58] <OvenWerks> There aren't pci interfaces any more though you may find some 1010LT around. PCIe interfaces cost too much, so USB is it
[00:59] <OvenWerks> focusrite and presonus seem to be what people get.
[00:59] <lucas__> yeah, i mean for what i want to do i think that is the way to go
[01:00] <lucas__> presonus i was actually looking at
[01:00] <lucas__> failing that, I have one of my dads old sony reel to reels.  but its literally 75 lbs haha
[01:00] <OvenWerks> I use this for my wife's machine: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/615405-REG/ART_USBDUALPREPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
[01:01] <lucas__> oh man that may be perfect
[01:01] <lucas__> with phantom power
[01:01] <lucas__> nice
[01:01] <OvenWerks> It sounds pretty good so long as the gain is kept below the last notch
[01:01] <lucas__> and the price is right - very cool
[01:02] <OvenWerks> The last notch seems to add a lot of noise.
[01:04] <OvenWerks> with anything that costs less there are things to watch out for. We run with a little less gain and it sounds good. Can always boost the level in the DAW anyway.
[01:06] <lucas__> yeah, as long as you can boost it in post then it should be all good
[01:06] <OvenWerks> I got one of these when they were still around: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/art-usb-dual-tube-pre
[01:06] <OvenWerks> It sounds nicer (and cost more) even at higher gain.
[01:08] <pilne> is there still a market for basic all tube preamps?
[01:09] <lucas__> i like the tubes.  something about them that i feel cant be reproduced.
[01:09] <pilne> hrm... i've always liked them too, but unless they are kept in a studio nobody seems to really want to use them
[01:10] <OvenWerks> The one they replaced it with is a single channel.
[01:12] <lucas__> i kinda like the color of this one.  any thoughts?
[01:12] <lucas__> http://bit.ly/1T25IyT
[01:14] <OvenWerks> Don't know from experience
[01:15] <OvenWerks> I normally take a laptop to the music store and test them before I buy
[01:15] <lucas__> do you run linux on all your machines?
[01:15] <OvenWerks> since about 1995
[01:16] <OvenWerks> I have used DRdos, OS/2 and then Linux
[01:20] <lucas__> im learning as i go, grew up on windows machines mostly but learning the ins and outs of open source and command line is a great brain builder
[01:30] <OvenWerks> I started MIDI on an Atari ST. One of the best computers for sequencing at the time.
[01:34] <pilne> what do y'all do when you encounter a midi controller with windoze propritary software?
[01:35] <OvenWerks> pilne: look at the OSx spec. If it doesn't need a driver it is not a problem.
[01:36] <OvenWerks> pilne: there is lots of equipment out there it is not that hard to just pass over something that will not work.
[01:36] <pilne> i mean, like... the alphasphere's control software, that controller has really caught my eye as a mostly-failed drummer and habitual tapper
[01:38] <OvenWerks> pilne: the SW might not work, but in the end it is a MIDI controler and MIDI is MIDI. There are some interesting things that can be with PD and midi for example.
[01:39] <OvenWerks> but the alphasphere would likely work ok with hydrogen, drumgizmo, etc.
[01:39] <pilne> i'd just have to put a bit more brain-grease into getting it to switch pad profiles or something?
[01:40] <OvenWerks> Not sure. maybe a midirouter in between
[01:40] <pilne> and must say, ubuntu studio makes for a nice daily driver distro too, but that might be because i can pull all my normal ubuntu tricks over lol
[01:41] <pilne> cool
[01:41] <OvenWerks> pilne: studio is built on xubuntu for a lot of things
[01:42] <OvenWerks> Studio has a lowlatency kernel and some other system tweaks as well as lots of software.
[01:42] <pilne> the kmi controllers are also looking tempting (qunexus and queno)
[01:43] <OvenWerks> USB,MIDI OSC or CV.
[01:44] <pilne> for the moment usb until i get the desktop built with the tax refund
[01:45] <OvenWerks> Lots of choices. It doesn't say how it does OSC, so I assume over USB as well.
[01:46] <OvenWerks> OSC is normally network.
[01:48] <pilne> cool, i have tons to learn about digital music, i'm getting into it mostly to be able to create the compositions i hear in my head without having to find 2 or more similarly crazy "musicians" (i don't consier myself a musician... but i try! lol)
[01:49] <OvenWerks> I think music is a natural part of being human... even for the tone deaf.
[01:49] <pilne> it could arguably be a more universal language than numbers due to the wide variety of emotions it can express
[01:51] <OvenWerks> anyway, I need to go do some life  :)  Back later
[01:51] <pilne> adios
[01:53] <lucas__> hasta luego - thanks again for the help.  ill be back im sure for more input :)
[05:06] <Ghaleon> Hello all.
[05:06] <Ghaleon> I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.  sorry.
[05:07] <Ghaleon> trying to get a rocksmith cable to work with guitarix
[05:07] <Ghaleon> I've tried the following tutorial with no luc.k
[05:07] <Ghaleon> http://www.timelordz.com/blog/2011/12/from-rocksmith-to-free-guitar-effects-and-home-studio-recording/
[05:07] <Ghaleon> any help would be greatly appreciated
[05:29] <Ghaleon> Hello all.
[05:30] <Ghaleon> I am new to ubuntu studio and linux in general
[05:30] <Ghaleon> I am having problems connecting my rocksmith player to guitarix.   do any of you have the time to help me?
[06:03] <Ghaleon> anyone here?
[06:04] <Ghaleon> if I'm asking this question in the wrong place, please tell me
[10:57] <claudio> pyton
[10:57] <claudio> python
[11:24] <golos81> Hi Guest
[13:17] <ChromeSi1ver> hi all
[13:17] <ChromeSi1ver> just installed ubuntu studio 14.04.4 andJACK audio server is not starting
[13:17] <ChromeSi1ver> using qjackctl
[13:19] <ChromeSi1ver> on my ThinkPad W510
[13:20] <ChromeSi1ver> any ideas why?
[13:58] <claudio> pip
[13:59] <claudio> python2.7


[04:17] <h00k> How does the Minnesota team handle meetings online/ What is the current schedule?
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> h00k: We just decided to do them again, and the current operating plan is 7:00PM local time, first monday of each month.
[04:18] <h00k> tonyyarusso: alright.
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> We had the first one this month.
[04:20] <h00k> Yeah, I rememer being late for it, I forgot why.
[04:20] <h00k> Oh, I think I was on duty.
[04:26] <jenkinbr> right, first Monday of month, 7pm CST
[04:26] <jenkinbr> I like it :)
[04:27] <h00k> we're talking perhaps bi-monthly, second and last Wednesday of the month, 8:00pm
[04:28] <h00k> (we being Wisconsin, sorry)
[04:28] <h00k> Also, I like the ubuntu-minnesota.org site, the uniform Drupal theme
[19:34] <tonyyarusso> h00k: oh hey, how'd your presentation go?
[19:35] <h00k> tonyyarusso: Turns out I present Tuesday
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> oh, ok
[19:35] <h00k> it was a random order


[08:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, last sunday of the month, goes to check flea market is on...
[08:47] <knightwise> anything in perticular you are looking for ?
[08:50] <brobostigon> you might get lucky a find someone selling a nextcube or something like that.
[08:54] <zmoylan-pi> nah, just nice to see odds and sods from your childhood on sale... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/825804720124067841
[08:57] <brobostigon> :)
[20:37] <foobarry> somebody's gamed google news to show viagra type ad
[20:37] <foobarry> and i can't report or hide the story
[20:37] <penguin42> I'm sure they're hoping it helps them keep their ad up longer
[20:39] <foobarry> look: http://imgur.com/a/oqk32
[20:47] <daftykins> funky
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> hardened ad executives gone rogue


[00:00] <tgm4883> bobweaver, sorry had a really busy day today
[00:00] <bobweaver> that is cool dude I have also tbh
[00:00] <tgm4883> so what do you want to know about the xml files?
[00:02] <bobweaver> Well I had two ideas for that one would be jsut to make new xml files and use them to create the themes. Or To use the xml files that are there and run some sorta script on them that will display the themes that way
[00:02] <bobweaver> so learning about the themes and which way I want to go.
[00:02] <bobweaver> hang on friend is here
[00:06] <tgm4883> bobweaver, how much of the theme do you want to replicate?
[01:02] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  sorry about that friend is now gone
[01:02] <bobweaver> the whole thing
[01:03] <bobweaver> or condence things so that they make sense
[01:03] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I suppose you'd only want to show recordings and videos
[01:03] <bobweaver> IE like lens there should be options to filter and grab recordings and videos
[01:03] <bobweaver> I also have schedual
[01:03] <tgm4883> bobweaver, ok
[01:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, so you just want to use the XML files that currently exist then?
[01:04] <bobweaver> stuff to play with frontends and capture cards
[01:04] <bobweaver> yeah
[01:05] <bobweaver> that is what I was thinking use the files (xml) to read the listmodels/gridViews/Listviews
[01:05] <tgm4883> bobweaver, that sounds good
[01:05] <bobweaver> that or making new ones that are from the old ones
[01:05] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  here are the things that I have run into that I do not like
[01:05] <tgm4883> ideally you can use the same ones mythfrontend uses
[01:05] <bobweaver> +1
[01:05] <tgm4883> then you get all of the current themes for free :)
[01:05] <bobweaver> just run a script and it makes the theme
[01:05] <bobweaver> correct
[01:06] <bobweaver> I have some stuff set up for this
[01:06] <bobweaver> but there are things that are driving me nuts
[01:07] <bobweaver> Example: base.xml
[01:07] <tgm4883> ok
[01:07] <bobweaver> sets stuff by like 1920 ect
[01:07] <bobweaver> I use QT.Window
[01:07] <tgm4883> yep
[01:07] <bobweaver> which it can read the screen size and fit to that
[01:07] <tgm4883> sec, let me pull a theme up
[01:08] <tgm4883> so that isn't what that number is for
[01:08] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675837/
[01:08] <bobweaver> lines 46 - 55
[01:09] <bobweaver> transparent text
[01:09] <bobweaver> so one can not see it but one can still read it
[01:09] <bobweaver> IE lines 10 --13
[01:10] <tgm4883> ok so lets discuss base.xml resolution first
[01:10] <bobweaver> kah
[01:10] <tgm4883> that is probably named inappropriately
[01:10] <tgm4883> it's not the resolution that it works on
[01:10] <tgm4883> it's the resolution it was designed for
[01:10] <tgm4883> and that translates to the other xml files
[01:11] <tgm4883> so lets say a theme is set for 1920x1080
[01:11] <bobweaver> right
[01:11] <bobweaver> base.xml that I have been using
[01:11] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675841/
[01:11] <tgm4883> we might set a box at 500x300 that is 100 wide and 50 tall
[01:12] <tgm4883> so if you display that on a screen that is half the size (eg. 960x540), then the box is going to be at 250x150 and be 50 wide and 25 tall
[01:13] <tgm4883> that number in base.xml is set to the rest of the coordinents in the other files all make sense
[01:13] <tgm4883> and then mythfrontend knows the actual screen size and does the conversion
[01:14] <bobweaver> I see
[01:14] <bobweaver> cool
[01:14] <tgm4883> a theme made for 1920x1080 will work at any resolution (and look the same at any resolution), as long as the aspect ratio is the same
[01:14] <tgm4883> IDK what happens if the aspect ratio is different. It will still work, but I'd imaging it would add black bars
[01:15] <bobweaver> coorect esp for something that is like 5:4
[01:15] <tgm4883> yep
[01:15] <tgm4883> quick clarification, that resolution is set in themeinfo.xml
[01:15] <bobweaver> so I can fix all that I just need to read the base.size and convert it to match the Window Info
[01:16] <tgm4883> yes
[01:16] <bobweaver> want to set up some time this weekend for a ghangout
[01:16] <bobweaver> or next week ?
[01:16] <tgm4883> is you can do that without running a script, I can show you where to check for theme updates
[01:16] <bobweaver> I am booked at night time (work)
[01:17] <tgm4883> tomorrow is probably the best time
[01:17] <tgm4883> I've got a bit of work on sunday
[01:17] <bobweaver> cool
[01:17] <bobweaver> what time is best (your time ) tomorrow ?
[01:18] <tgm4883> I think anytime, but I'd want to check with my wife first. She's doing something for part of the day so I'll have that time free
[01:18] <tgm4883> she's not here now though
[01:18] <bobweaver> cool give me a ping or pm after you talk with her
[01:18] <tgm4883> will do
[01:19] <bobweaver> I just think we could breeze through this if chat f2f
[01:19] <tgm4883> bobweaver, did you do a bunch of work to get our theme into that video?
[01:19] <tgm4883> or did it mostly come over easily?
[01:19] <bobweaver> no
[01:19] <bobweaver> No I have com-pon-its set up
[01:19] <bobweaver> real easu
[01:19] <bobweaver> easy *&
[01:19] <tgm4883> cool
[01:20] <bobweaver> I have the full thing now well menus took 3 hours
[01:20] <bobweaver> myth tv theme
[01:20] <bobweaver> I will make a quick video but there all on loaders
[01:20] <tgm4883> so there are 3 files that you can guarentee each mythtv theme will have  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development#Required_MythUI_Theme_Files
[01:20] <tgm4883> the rest are optional
[01:20] <bobweaver> cool
[01:21] <tgm4883> optional meaning mythfrontend has a default layout for them
[01:21] <bobweaver> sure thouse are the things That I just do not know
[01:25] <bobweaver> ok Up loading video
[01:27] <bobweaver> Uploading your video. 27 minutes remaining.
[01:27] <bobweaver> I always cut that in half
[01:30] <bobweaver> mkv's take so long to upload but I have to say vokoscreen is the shit
[01:30] <bobweaver> uses ffmepg and never crashs nor frezzes
[01:44] <bobweaver> screencast7
[01:44] <bobweaver> Uploading your video. 18 minutes remaining. Your video will be live at: http://youtu.be/5n79Jg8lg1M
[01:44] <bobweaver> it si at 50 %
[01:45] <bobweaver> Full link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n79Jg8lg1M
[01:57] <bobweaver> 87%
[02:02] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  also other Ideas are making "theme Wizards" that people can in qtcreator press new-->project-->mythtv-theme   and it will amke a default stock Like making a mythtv version of qtcreator
[02:02] <bobweaver> just a bunch of plugins ^^
[15:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'll be ready in about 10 minutes if you are
[16:50] <bobweaver> Hey tgm4883  I am just waking up now I got called into work last night at 3 am
[16:59] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm ready now
[17:00] <bobweaver> cool let me just make some coffee
[17:07] <bobweaver> ok tgm4883  making the hangout now
[17:52] <bobweaver> oh tgm4883  one last question where is the latest (stagging or whatever) repo on git or where ever of Myth ?
[17:52] <bobweaver> both front and backend
[17:52] <tgm4883> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv
[17:53] <bobweaver> thanks
[23:38] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  just to give a heads up on progress I was able to plugin the data from the xml files and am now making the plugin for themes
[23:38] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  I am also taking all the themes from qtmediahub and inserting them into the app along with my salvaged ubuntu tv code
[23:39] <bobweaver> I am not happy at all with the way that the Ubuntu SDK theme came out so I am going to re-write it but would like to find some help with the design
[23:40] <bobweaver> as I am a horrible designer but I am also not in the mood 90 % of the time to deal with flakes/people that only want to see there design and do not want to mold to the developers issues


 I've got my eye on him.
[03:09] <bazhang> d-roc/loganhoup
[03:10] <MenZa> bazhang: wut.
[03:10] <nalioth> MenZa: we are logged here with just a few minute delay
[03:10] <bazhang> MenZa, his previous alternate identities
[03:11] <nalioth> maco: how did he know you kept poultry?
[03:27] <maco> nalioth: :P
[03:27] <maco> i think he doubted
[03:27] <maco> !girls
[03:29] <Pricey> lies
[03:30] <ejoy> hello. any op here pls?
[03:30] <Pricey> Hey ejoy, what's up?
[03:30] <Pricey> (eternaljoy?)
[03:30] <ejoy> Pricey: hello.. I been away for 6 months.. first day back here and it says im banned from #ubuntu.. dont know why
[03:31] <ejoy> Pricey: yes thats my nicname
[03:31] <ejoy> eternaljoy. and ejoy
[03:31] <MenZa> [2009-10-10 02:30:06 UTC] *** 221 - #ubuntu: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by Amaranth!n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth, 10876957 secs ago]
[03:31] <MenZa> Set four or so months ago.
[03:31] <eternaljoy> 10876957 secs ago?
[03:32] <eternaljoy> no idea why I been banned.. i been away anyway
[03:32]  * Amaranth tries to remember
[03:32] <eternaljoy> im confused
[03:32] <Amaranth> @login
[03:32]  * Pici suggests looking at the bantracker
[03:32] <eternaljoy> Amaranth: whaty did I do? :P
[03:32] <eternaljoy> Amaranth: whatever I did. IM SORRY :P  but geuinly have no idea why im banned
[03:32] <Amaranth> Pici: If I can get it to load, sure
[03:33] <Amaranth> I don't see it...
[03:34] <eternaljoy> Amaranth: so what does this mean for me? :P
[03:34] <Amaranth> Well, I see that you seem to get banned a lot...
[03:34] <eternaljoy> what do you mean?
[03:35] <eternaljoy> a lot?
[03:35] <eternaljoy> i been banned a few times, not a lot :P
[03:35] <eternaljoy> but I cant remember why I was banned by 6 months ago
[03:35] <eternaljoy> by you
[03:35] <Amaranth> The IP MenZa is talking about was banned because it was spaming people when they joined the channel
[03:35] <eternaljoy> Amaranth: i give u my word, I will honour the rules
[03:35] <eternaljoy> no way!  i never spammed anything.. i have nothing to spam
[03:36] <eternaljoy> i dont work for anyone to spam their products
[03:36] <Amaranth> but that isn't the IP you're on now
[03:36] <Amaranth> I've been hunting the wrong thing
[03:36] <eternaljoy> i never spam emails or on IRC, never ever
[03:36] <eternaljoy> i been using this ISP for 8 months
[03:36] <MenZa> Amaranth: Fah. My ba.d
[03:36] <MenZa> bad*
[03:36] <Amaranth> eternaljoy: Just settle down and let me look
[03:36] <bazhang> the 'hello sinners' ?
[03:36] <eternaljoy> Amaranth: im settled, ok
[03:37] <Amaranth> I can't see that I've ever banned you
[03:37] <elky> the tracker may have been down at the time
[03:37] <bazhang> Loganhoup, how may we help you
[03:37] <Amaranth> and you were unbanned in september
[03:37] <eternaljoy> well im very confused to be honest.. last time I remembr being in ubuntu all was good
[03:37] <eternaljoy> then I come back today and it says im banned
[03:37] <eternaljoy> im confused
[03:38] <Loganhoup> I can't join #ubuntu because it says I have a connection problem
[03:38] <bazhang> right the dcc exploit
[03:38] <Amaranth> --- Bans matching<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Seek and Love the Truth)
[03:38] <Amaranth> --- Seek*?he*?ruth*
[03:38] <eternaljoy> whats dcc exploit?
[03:38] <elky> eternaljoy, you've been a problem for years. you always throw in religious incitement, and you've been told to stop and you have in previous conversations indicated you believe you're above the rules.
[03:38] <Loganhoup> If I was banned it was because I asked I question in there that was offtopic because I though I was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:39] <Pici> Loganhoup: Please follow the directions in the topic in the channel you were forwarded to.
[03:39] <eternaljoy> elky yes I have in the past... but that was last year.. ive grown up now. older and wiser and more respctful.. may I please have 1 more last chance?
[03:39] <elky> Pici, you may want to see scrollback
[03:39] <eternaljoy> elky im not like that anymore. i give u my word
[03:40] <elky> that is up to Amaranth.
[03:40] <eternaljoy> elky so does this mean im banned for life?  Is so, then theres nothing I can say and I will leave
[03:40] <Pici> elky: I did, hes forwarded to -read-topic
[03:40] <Amaranth> elky: Actually LjL made the ban
[03:40] <Amaranth> What do we do with that?
[03:40] <elky> Amaranth, the ban is listed by the IRCD as you.
[03:41] <Amaranth> elky: Are you looking at the same one as MenZa? That one isn't right
[03:41] <Amaranth> elky: It looks like it's actually just a name ban not cleaned up when LjL removed the rest after larting
[03:42] <elky> Amaranth, that sounds like you're making a judgement. i'd assume you'd follow through on it.
[03:42] <Amaranth> elky: I'd assume after our last chat you'd know I won't
[03:44] <eternaljoy> Loganhoup: problems?
[03:44] <Loganhoup> following the directions tells me to come here and be tested manually
[03:44] <elky> Pici, including the bit about him talking about fisting in #ubuntu?
[03:44] <eternaljoy> Loganhoup: it says,  (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
[03:44] <eternaljoy> elky fisting?
[03:44] <eternaljoy> elky are u joking?
[03:44] <elky> eternaljoy, this conversation does not require your input.
[03:44] <eternaljoy> elky ok
[03:44]  * eternaljoy puts his head in :P
[03:45] <Pici> elky: I think we're talking about two different people.
[03:45] <elky> Pici, i dont.
[03:45] <Loganhoup> can someone test me manually? I changed the port to 8001
[03:46] <Pici> Madcamper: Please wait actually means to wait
[03:46] <Pici> The test is being done.
[03:47] <Madcamper> i did, i just thought i had to identify with nickserv
[03:51] <Pici> bazhang: around still?
[03:51] <bazhang> Pici, yep
[03:52] <Pici> bazhang: Can you clarify that Loganhoup is the same person that maco was speaking about earlier, I don't see any connection here.
[03:53] <Loganhoup> what did I do?
[03:53] <bazhang> Pici, no connection at all; logan was disconnected by the dcc exploit
[03:53] <bazhang> although he was offtopic :)
[03:53] <Pici> bazhang: okay, thanks
[03:53] <Loganhoup> ya sorry about that.
[03:54] <Pici> Loganhoup: okay, hold still
[03:54] <eternaljoy> bye everyone.. take care.
[03:55] <Pici> Loganhoup: Okay, you're all set, you can rejoin #ubuntu
[03:55] <Loganhoup> Thank you. what exactly is the DCC exploit? I assume it's something like denial of service for DCC?
[03:56] <Pici> Its a 'saftey mechanism' on some routers/firewalls to protect the user from malicious attacks, although it protects by disconnecting the socket.
[03:57] <Loganhoup> Do I have to use port 8001 permanently now?
[03:58] <Amaranth> Loganhoup: unless you can fix your router
[03:58] <Amaranth> Loganhoup: safest to just use 8001
[03:58] <Loganhoup> Then that's what I'll do. Thanks.
[04:00] <Loganhoup> Have a nice night/day wherever you are.
[04:01] <MenZa> Eyes on #ubuntu.
[04:10] <MenZa> Raulillo25 is looking for trouble.
[04:13] <MenZa> maco: You keep watch while I go check on Sleeping Beauty(tm)
[04:13] <MenZa> ;)
[05:08] <maco> MenZa: but im watching Warehouse 13 right now! :(
[05:08] <maco> also, i lack ops
[05:09] <MenZa> lol
[05:09] <MenZa> that was ages ago
[05:09] <MenZa> I don't remember who that was, anyway
[05:09] <MenZa> You were just active in the channel at the time.
[05:24] <MenZa> Anyone who has access to #ubuntu-uk might want to look there now.
[05:25] <bazhang> that's under the auspices of -irc I thought
[05:25] <MenZa> I would say so, yes.
[05:25] <MenZa> <_<
[05:27] <nalioth> MenZa: what's doing on there?
[05:27] <MenZa> nalioth:
[05:27] <MenZa> [2009-10-10 04:20:04 UTC] *** macho2machocam<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[05:27] <MenZa> [2009-10-10 04:20:24 UTC] < macho2machocam> jerking off now cam2cam
[05:32] <nalioth> MenZa: best just to ! o p s in the channel to provide a timestamp at a minimum
[06:05] <MenZa> I suppose, yeah.
[07:41] <KB1JWQ> Horrifc troll by nc_
[07:43] <KB1JWQ> GNAA link; I removed him since nobody seems active.
[07:43] <Flannel> KB1JWQ: beat me to it, but I won't fault you
[07:43] <KB1JWQ> Flannel: Heh, sorry.  Didn't see you active. :-)
[07:43] <KB1JWQ> He started gloating, and that wasn't something I wanted to see stick around.
[07:44] <Flannel> No need to be sorry.  Unfortunately we don't get paid, let alone per ban ;)
[07:45] <KB1JWQ> Hahahah, I'll suggest it to Christel. :-p
[09:19]  * MenZa spanks mneptok
[09:21] <mneptok> MenZa: please
[09:21] <MenZa> <3
[09:22] <mneptok> TeXnic Center is coding LaTeX "by hand" the same way Lyx is
[09:22] <mneptok> they are 100% equivalent products
[09:23] <mneptok> but go ahead, recommend vim as a replacement for TeXnic Center
[09:23] <MenZa> :P
[09:23] <MenZa> I use vim in Ubuntu
[09:23] <MenZa> TeXnicCenter in Windows
[09:23] <MenZa> :D
[09:23]  * MenZa stabs ubottu
[09:24] <MenZa> mneptok: Really, it's not a problem for me to swap between two screen windows in Ubuntu to compile and view my pdf file.
[09:24] <MenZa> It's a bit more tedious to do it from cmd.exe
[09:24] <elky> MenZa, i'm glad i could facilitate that lolworthy tumor pwnage.
[09:24] <MenZa> elky: I love that page.
[09:24] <MenZa> <2
[09:24] <MenZa> er.
[09:24] <MenZa> <3*
[09:28] <elky> !worksforme
[09:29] <MenZa> :)
[09:55] <Flannel> MenZa: what?  vim-latexsuite and \\s!
[12:31] <elky> nalioth, miike@* bots are back.
[12:32] <bazhang> oh yuck
[14:19] <ikonia> eagles with ANOTHER pointless distro project, the fantasy cluter distro he tried, the fantasy kde minimal distro, now the fantasy games distro - based off karmic too, does anyone feel like picking up the mantel with this guy again, he's just a waste of resource
[14:36] <Tm_T> ikonia: where he is wasting resources?
[14:36] <ikonia> wanting to make an ubuntu re-spin....with nothing changed, but for gaming ?
[14:37] <elky> i thought that was already done
[14:38] <ikonia> he claims it's not
[14:38] <elky> he's also a fool
[14:38] <ikonia> although he can't tell me one thing he's going to change in his distro that's different from stock ubuntu that makes it more focused on games ???
[14:39] <Tm_T> ikonia: in what location he is wasting resources?
[14:39] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1 was his last question
[14:39] <Tm_T> hmmmh, roger
[14:40] <Tm_T> as long as he is not harrassing devels and keep his noise low in support channels, I'
[14:40] <Tm_T> I'd leave him be, atleast I'm not wasting my time following him (;)
[14:40] <ikonia> to be honest, I don't want +1 to become his support channel for making a pointless respin of a beta distro
[14:41] <Tm_T> ikonia: aye, wrong channel for that
[14:43] <ikonia> danger! danger! danger, he's created PPA's
[14:45] <elky> oh dear.
[17:03] <genii> I'm away for 3 days starting later today (Canadian Thanksgiving) ... just letting people know
[17:13] <Tm_T> interesting... Banned<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:14] <genii> Weird hostmask
[17:14] <Tm_T> and nick
[17:15] <genii> Anyhow, I'm out, see you guys in a coupla-few days...  I come from Liechtenstein!
[18:45] <ikonia> Der_Trolly: English/German/French/Spanish ?
[18:45] <Der_Trolly> German...
[18:45] <ikonia> ok, ein minuten bitte
[18:46] <ikonia> ein moment
[18:50] <ikonia> TheInfinity: thank you,
[18:50] <ikonia> whoaa easy guys
[18:50] <DreamThief> *lol*
[18:50] <Der_Trolly> blev dannet på resterne af det la o se atanu'u le tuu atu romerske rige! de trescruzar o río y asentar-se en a suya marguin ozidental como uno d'os âta cme repóbblic pueblos federatos! blot vandrede igennem? mens der i de sydlige īega on ōðrum dele er et tørt og varmt middel! er tidligere kolonier, som nu har samme,,, na lajes siti bilong? ye o hæfþ syndrige ōðre estato más...
[18:50] <Der_Trolly> ...gran, ol taun.....
[18:50] <Der_Trolly> gì siŏh bĭh!
[18:50] <DreamThief> ikonia: it's about trolly?
[18:50] <Der_Trolly> uhozapadźe. Nimo toho kupa Korsika je dźěl...
[18:51] <ikonia> Der_Trolly: sure
[18:51] <Der_Trolly> Ich? Trolly? Niemals....
[18:51] <ikonia> oops
[18:51] <ikonia> DreamThief: sure
[18:51] <TheInfinity> :o
[18:51] <ikonia> ?
[18:51] <DreamThief> ikonia: just giv him a ban right away. he deservs it.
[18:51] <ikonia> DreamThief: what am I missing, his behaviour is out of order but I'm tyring to find out if it's just a problem user or if the language barrier is causing a problem
[18:51] <DreamThief> no
[18:52] <DreamThief> its a mixture of different languages
[18:52] <DreamThief> no language related problem
[18:52] <ikonia> he said he's from Liechtenstein so speaks german, I guess it's a german dialect
[18:53] <DreamThief> no
[18:53] <DreamThief> it's definitely not a german dialect
[18:53] <ikonia> ok, so it's just him being a problem then, ok thank you
[18:53]  * ikonia thanks the #ubuntu-de op team
[18:53] <DreamThief> there are elements from spanish and norwegian
[18:53] <bazhang> complete nonsense in other words
[18:53] <TheInfinity> DreamThief: most of it is from dk
[18:54] <TheInfinity> ok. the beginnig. :o
[18:54] <DreamThief> TheInfinity: yes, you may be right. norwegian, swedish and danish are closely related to each other.
[18:54] <TheInfinity> wtf. why does somebody make so much work to confuse ops ...
[18:55] <sysdef> TheInfinity: because its The Troll(y) ;>
[18:55] <DreamThief> ikonia: the nickname is quite obvious.
[18:55] <ikonia> guys, thanks for coming in to help, I needed a native language speakers opinion/help
[18:55] <ikonia> DreamThief: I know I know, I was trying to be positive
[18:56] <DreamThief> and I know this stupid idiot from our channels :-X
[18:56] <ikonia> that helps too
[18:56] <TheInfinity> in our channels he was not so creative. there he was just spamming around.
[18:57] <ikonia> that's pretty much what he's like in #ubuntu, he's banned now, so problem solved
[18:57] <TheInfinity> ok :)
[18:58] <DreamThief> ikonia: I'm glad we were able to help you.
[18:58] <ikonia> very thankful, thank you
[18:58] <bazhang> thanks :)
[19:00] <sysdef> yw :>
[19:00] <DreamThief> omg, I've joined so many channels :-X mxing out freenode limit. I was quite lost in all my irrsi windows trying to find out where i've put your channel right now *lol*
[19:00] <bazhang> hehe
[19:01] <DreamThief> does somebody know if it's possible to get a permission from freenode staff to be able to join more channels?
[19:01] <bazhang> you can certainly ask :)
[19:03] <DreamThief> okay, thanks :)
[19:03] <DreamThief> see you
[19:18] <tritium> Good day.
[19:18] <bazhang> hi
[19:40] <tritium> Hi, bazhang.
[19:41] <bazhang> tritium, how are you doing :)
[19:41] <tritium> I'm doing well, thank you.  How are you, bazhang?  :)
[19:41] <bazhang> nicely thanks :) about to sign off for the evening
[19:44] <tritium> OK, have a good night!
[19:44] <bazhang> you too :)
[19:45] <tritium> Thanks.  :)


[04:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-177.207] (core, kernel)
[05:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-177.207]
[05:11] <vorlon> who wants to sort out node-chokidar/amd64 for nodejs? (blocks icu)
[05:13] <xnox> vorlon:  how bad is it that libicu depends on tzdata?
[05:13] <vorlon> I don't know, what's the issue?
[05:14] <vorlon> ruby-defaults isn't ready to go yet, is it?
[05:14] <xnox> vorlon:  somehow i thought we have people removing tzdata, but i see that it is in minimal so should be fine.
[05:14] <vorlon> it's not in the minimal images
[05:15] <xnox> vorlon:  ..... because task:minimal != minimal images =)
[05:15] <xnox> right
[05:15] <vorlon> yep
[05:15] <xnox> that's what i thought, but is libicu in the minimal images?
[05:15] <vorlon> php7.4 also not a candidate yet
[05:15] <vorlon> xnox: no, but if one installs something using it and doesn't also install tzdata, things are broken?
[05:16] <vorlon> in principle you run the minimal images as a starting point for running workloads, and one of the supported ways of installing workloads is as debs, so
[05:16] <xnox> vorlon:  no, but wrong out-of-date built-in timezone data is used
[05:16] <xnox> for all the U_TIME apis
[05:16] <xnox> i.e. i'm fixing the fact that php never gets tzdata updates
[05:17] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/2019c-3ubuntu1 & https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icu/66.1-2ubuntu1
[05:17] <vorlon> ok
[05:17] <xnox> but now i'm not sure if Depends: tzdata is appropriate in this case or not
[05:17] <xnox> on release day it doesn't matter, it will matter the first time we update tzdata
[05:17] <vorlon> so it looks like the blockers for icu right now are webkit2gtk (which seb128 said he was going to take responsibility for), libical3, php7.4, ruby, and nodejs
[05:18] <vorlon> xnox: it sounds appropriate to me
[05:18] <xnox> all of the packages in that list smell! =)
[05:22] <vorlon> nodejs is only one amd64-specific autopkgtest regression away
[05:30] <xnox> vorlon:  given https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nodejs/+bug/1863463 do you want to badtest that test, let it migrate, sync new nodejs, and do all of this again?
[05:31] <xnox> but i love how 10.19 ftbfs on all arches in debian
[05:36] <vorlon> xnox: I don't want to sync new nodejs at all, I just want the icu transition through
[05:36] <xnox> ack
[05:36] <vorlon> (and I want the uploader to take responsibility for it, but, well)
[05:37] <xnox> the first one or the second one?
[05:37] <xnox> =)))))
[05:37] <xnox> or both of them?
[05:37] <vorlon> both ;P
[05:44] <xnox> i fear all of horde stuff was not merged since bionic and needs merge to 3.10
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hud [amd64] (focal-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hud [armhf] (focal-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hud [s390x] (focal-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hud [arm64] (focal-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hud [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1]
[12:17] <xnox> Can arm64 be added to the Ubuntu Desktop product on isotracker? KeyError: "Product 'Ubuntu Desktop arm64' not found"
[12:18] <Laney> okey
[12:21] <Laney> should be there... perhaps?
[12:21] <xnox> Laney:  or maybe I need to remove it from qa products? there is traceback in cd-build-logs, which doesn't fail the build but doesn't look tidy
[12:22] <xnox> Laney:  i plan to submit iso tracker test results for the two arm64 laptops i have
[12:22] <Laney> I think it's OK to post it there
[12:22] <Laney> we'll see what happens after the next build
[12:23] <xnox> tah!
[12:47] <kanashiro> I've requested uploads of some node packages from Debian to fix a src:jekyll's dependency issue, could someone please approve them for me? they are node-webassemblyjs and node-webpack
[12:49] <xnox> where did you request them?
[12:49] <xnox> Laney:  do you have powers to commit to debian-cd? I want to land https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/ux-review-uefi-labels/+merge/379769 which has been reviewed and has agreed wording with mpt and is now final.
[12:49] <xnox> Laney:  and steve is afk today
[12:49] <Laney> This isn't really the channel for making general sponsorship requests, BTW
[12:50] <Laney> xnox: yeah, ok, let me look later
[12:50]  * xnox slaps myself on the rist
[12:50]  * xnox slaps myself on the wrist
[12:50] <xnox> kanashiro:  where did you request them?
[12:51] <kanashiro> xnox, I filed some sync requests and provided some patches, but those packages were already uploaded, I just need an approval because those are not in focal atm
[12:51] <Laney> xnox: actually that was for kanashiro, yours is *slightly* more on topic
[12:51] <kanashiro> Laney, it is not a sponsorship request, they are in NEW I think
[12:52] <xnox> yeap they are https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue
[12:53] <xnox> kanashiro:  you need an archive-admin for those, of which neither laney or I, are =(
[12:54] <kanashiro> xnox, ok, thanks anyway
[12:54] <kanashiro> but here is the right place to find archive-admins, right?
[12:59] <Laney> yeah, I think they are supposed to respond to ubuntu-archive highlight (cf. the /topic)
[12:59] <Laney> I don't know if they expect people to ping for each new review though, or wait until it's done
[13:01] <kanashiro> I am just pinging because they are blocking some the other syncs I need, but ok, let's wait
[13:01] <cjwatson> kanashiro: What's the dependency issue here?  I don't see any dependency on node-webassemblyjs in the current jekyll
[13:02] <kanashiro> cjwatson, node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin depends no node-webassemblyjs
[13:02] <kanashiro> this is my next sync request
[13:02] <cjwatson> kanashiro: How did https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jekyll/3.8.6+dfsg-3/+build/18759718 build then?
[13:03] <cjwatson> (I'm assuming you're trying to upgrade something, and am mainly trying to get you to tell me what the overall goal here is)
[13:04] <kanashiro> cjwatson, if you try to build jekyll now it will fail, I didn't investigate why it built previously
[13:05] <kanashiro> it needs webpack which is provided by node-webpack
[13:05] <cjwatson> Oh right, node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin was removed
[13:06] <cjwatson> So yes, if you're committing to getting this all the way through, I guess that's fine
[13:07] <xnox> (indeed currently we try to make nodejs icu php ruby migrate)
[13:07] <kanashiro> yes, I already sorted it out locally, just need to get those packages in the archive
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-webassemblyjs [sync] (focal-proposed) [1.9.0+dfsg-2]
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-webpack [source] (focal-proposed) [4.30.0-7~ubuntu1]
[13:08] <cjwatson> I don't think these should interfere with any transitions in progress, since they're both new
[13:08] <kanashiro> cjwatson, FYI my next step is: request a sync of node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin and node-webpack
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: node-webassemblyjs [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.9.0+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-webassemblyjs [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.9.0+dfsg-2]
[13:30] <xnox> hopefully they will help with autopkgtest regressions eventually
[13:33] <kanashiro> they will fix at least jekyll's autopkgtest regression
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: yagf (focal-proposed/primary) [0.9.5+repack1-1]
[14:22] <xnox> vorlon:  Laney: any guidance on what review analysis you want for the s390-tools FFe for this codedrop diffstat https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pB5TxkbMjs/ ?
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-92.93] (core, kernel)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-92.93] (core, kernel)
[14:23] <franksmcb> Can anyone get to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1867714 supposed to be a bug report for ubiquity not starting on the current MATE ISO
[14:23] <xnox> vorlon:  Laney: the genprotimg stuff is "new" and thus well can't regress. But the zipl/ stuff is effectively a refactor of the bootloader affecting all s390x substrates; interlined with bug fixes; and features; and whitespace changes; some dating to 2018 but only code-dropped released yesterday
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-92.93]
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-92.93]
[14:36] <Laney> xnox: I dunno, what's your existing testing strategy?
[14:46] <xnox> Laney:  do line by line codereview + boot install test on our z13 (lpar, z/vm, kvm). But we have no access to do boot testing on z14 and z15.
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin (focal-proposed/primary) [1.3.0-5]
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: what-is-python (focal-proposed/primary) [1]
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [s390x] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-43.36] (core, kernel)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-43.36] (core, kernel)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-43.36] (core, kernel)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [arm64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-43.36] (core, kernel)
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-43.36]
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-43.36]
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-43.36]
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-43.36]
[16:09] <xnox> doko:  what-is-python uploaded into the New queue, please review if you like it or not.
[16:09] <xnox> doko:  do feel free to like reject it, if you don't.
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1034.35] (kernel)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gke-5.0 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-1033.34] (kernel)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1059.63] (kernel)
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1034.35]
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke-5.0 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1033.34]
[17:10] <jamespage> please can the ceph SRU in the eoan-proposed UNAPPROVED queue be rejected - I need to fold in the security update that was just released
[17:12] <jamespage> ditto on bionic-proposed - thanks!
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (eoan-proposed/main) [14.2.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 14.2.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[17:19] <jamespage> I've uploaded revised version so the newer uploads are valid - please reject the older ones
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (bionic-proposed/main) [12.2.12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 12.2.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[17:38] <kanashiro> could someone approve node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin in the focal NEW queue? It is needed to fix a src:jekyll's autopkgtest regression
[17:42] <cjwatson> done
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin [sync] (focal-proposed) [1.3.0-5]
[17:47] <kanashiro> thanks
[17:48] <cjwatson> Uh what?  I accepted it
[17:49] <cjwatson> Oh, because that version was previously in focal so the sync attempt failed, probably
[17:49] <cjwatson> kanashiro: You'll need to upload a 1.3.0-5build1
[17:49] <kanashiro> cjwatson, ack
[17:57] <rafaeldtinoco> cjwatson: sorry for that, I did the syncpackage
[17:57] <rafaeldtinoco> a question there.. if we do 1.3.0-5build1 theoretically eoan can have the same version
[17:57] <rafaeldtinoco> if a build1 is made there
[17:57] <rafaeldtinoco> correct ?
[17:58] <rafaeldtinoco> should I do 1.3.0-5ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> instead ?
[17:58] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: would that ^ version work for u ?
[17:59] <rafaeldtinoco> or ~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:59] <rafaeldtinoco> sorry +ubuntu0.20.04
[17:59] <rafaeldtinoco> just thinking in upgrade path =)
[18:01] <rafaeldtinoco> 1.3.0-5 to 1.3.0-5ubuntu0.1 (SRU in Eoan) and 1.3.0-5ubuntu1 (Focal) would work
[18:02] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, I think node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin will unlikely be rebuilt in eoan but yeah there is a chance, the version string you are proposing should work fine
[18:02] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: instead of a sync, i suggest we go for the later ^ if that works for u
[18:02] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: could u re-check this for me ? ^
[18:02] <ahasenack> hm?
[18:02] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro needs a "sync" from debian but eoan already has the version
[18:02] <rafaeldtinoco> my suggestion is:
[18:02] <rafaeldtinoco> 15:01 <rafaeldtinoco> 1.3.0-5 to 1.3.0-5ubuntu0.1 (SRU in Eoan) and 1.3.0-5ubuntu1 (Focal) would work
[18:03] <rafaeldtinoco> to submit the source package in focal with 1.3.0-5ubuntu1
[18:03] <rafaeldtinoco> leaving ubuntu0.xxx for eoan if ever needed
[18:05] <ahasenack> so you want 1.3.0-5 in focal
[18:05] <ahasenack> let's take this into #ubuntu-devel
[18:05] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin (focal-proposed/primary) [1.3.0-5build1]
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin [source] (focal-proposed) [1.3.0-5build1]
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [1.3.0-5build1] (no packageset)
[18:41] <kanashiro> cjwatson, node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin version 1.3.0-5build1 is in the NEW queue, could you please approve it?
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-uglifyjs-webpack-plugin [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.3.0-5build1]
[18:42] <kanashiro> ^ thanks!
[18:43] <cjwatson> Yep, was on it :)
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-1059.63]


[04:00] <Baytuch> Goog morning
[21:56] <jphilips> hey yall. hope everyone has been safe.
[21:59] <jphilips> bluesabre: meeting still on in 1 minute?
[22:00] <bluesabre> hey jphilips
[22:00] <bluesabre> yep!
[22:01] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 22:01:15 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[22:01] <bluesabre> !team | Kicking off the Xubuntu community meeting :)
[22:01] <bluesabre> Who's around?
[22:02] <kryten> Yep, I'm heeere!
[22:02] <jphilips> o/
[22:02] <ochosi> o/
[22:02] <bluesabre> #chair jphilips kryten ochosi
[22:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre, jphilips, kryten, ochosi
[22:02] <bluesabre> weeee
[22:02] <bluesabre> It's our first meeting in over a year (I think)
[22:03] <bluesabre> #link Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:05] <bluesabre> We'll go ahead and get started. I know its late for you all :)
[22:05] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups
[22:05] <bluesabre> (those sure are old)
[22:05] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:05] <bluesabre> What's new everybody?
[22:06] <ochosi> phew, not much tbh - life has been pretty intense over the last year
[22:06] <jphilips> same here
[22:06] <ochosi> so i haven't found much time for xfce or xubuntu since 4.16
[22:07] <bluesabre> also same... I've only really gotten back to doing anything xubuntu-y in the last couple of weeks
[22:07] <jphilips> thanks for that. it will definitely liven things up for 20.04
[22:08] <jphilips> 22.04*
[22:08] <bluesabre> I've got some updates for the docs later on, but one small update... pushes to the docs-refresh branch now auto deploy the docs to https://xubuntu.github.io/xubuntu-docs/
[22:08] <bluesabre> So that's nifty
[22:09] <bluesabre> We'll move on to discussion :)
[22:09] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:09] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Xubuntu Schedule
[22:09] <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/22.04/schedule
[22:10] <bluesabre> I put together a draft schedule for this cycle to help us stay on track.
[22:10] <bluesabre> Definitely feel free to add things or move them around as you see fit.
[22:10] <bluesabre> Though one thing I'd like to do this cycle is get back to at least semi-regular community meetings :)
[22:11] <jphilips> +1
[22:11] <ochosi> nice docs update - thanks for that!
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, without the meetings it all dies out i guess..
[22:12] <bluesabre> There's a few tentative meetings on the schedule... if anybody wants to pick up those or another date, feel free to pencil your name in ;)
[22:12] <bluesabre> Yeah, it's definitely been quiet around here while we've all been preoccupied with life
[22:12] <pleia2> o/ sorry, things, life
[22:12] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2
[22:12] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre, jphilips, kryten, ochosi, pleia2
[22:12] <bluesabre> hi pleia2!
[22:13] <jphilips> hey pleia2
[22:13] <jphilips> hope the baby is well
[22:13] <pleia2> just went down for a nap :)
[22:13] <bluesabre> congrats :)
[22:13] <ochosi> haha nice
[22:14] <pleia2> release schedule looks nice, very fancy
[22:14] <bluesabre> Yeah, 100% stolen: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906 :D
[22:14] <ochosi> lol
[22:14] <ochosi> well how was that saying "good artists create, great artists steal"?!
[22:15] <bluesabre> :D
[22:16] <bluesabre> But yeah, if I missed anything or people want to liven up this cycle, feel free to fill the schedule up
[22:16] <bluesabre> Next up, wallpapers!
[22:16] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Wallpaper Contest
[22:16] <bluesabre> yayyyyy
[22:16] <bluesabre> #link https://contest.xubuntu.org/
[22:17] <pleia2> who is running it this time around?
[22:18] <jphilips> who ran it the previous time?
[22:18] <jphilips> what is involved in running it?
[22:18] <bluesabre> It's not too bad to run since knome made the contest site... just scheduling with the socials, turning the submissions on, turning them off, and the team judges the submissions.
[22:18] <ochosi> (i was only involved with the voting, never really with the running)
[22:19] <pleia2> "just" :)
[22:19] <bluesabre> If there was more to it than that, I forgot (but I think that's all)
[22:20] <pleia2> writing the blog post announcing it, sharing on social, and actually hitting the deadlines
[22:20] <pleia2> it's not so bad really, we do just need someone assigned to doing it, and I'm probably too busy still :(
[22:20] <bluesabre> that's fair
[22:21] <bluesabre> I can run it or help... in case somebody else wants to run it and have fun
[22:21] <pleia2> I can help too, I just don't want to hold the bag in case things are chaos over here ;D
[22:21] <ochosi> tbh i'm not sure i can sign up for a lot of these timed activities...
[22:21] <jphilips> i'm ready to help in anyway i can
[22:21] <ochosi> homeschooling during lockdowns or quarantines have made my life too unpredictable tbh
[22:22] <pleia2> kids: ruining xubuntu development since 2015
[22:22] <ochosi> (well I mean I'm home then, but I usually have zero energy during those phases so I'd likely drop the ball)
[22:22] <bluesabre> :D
[22:22] <ochosi> lol
[22:22] <ochosi> well, there's some truth in that!
[22:22] <jphilips> was looking at the blog, but didn't see any announcement post, just a results post
[22:23] <pleia2> hah, oops :)
[22:23] <pleia2> we probably did share it on social or something
[22:23] <bluesabre> https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-community-wallpaper-contest/
[22:23] <pleia2> Oh good, we can just copy most of that then
[22:24] <bluesabre> Definitely
[22:24] <jphilips> it was put under article, which is why i didn't find it under news - https://xubuntu.org/news/category/news/
[22:24] <bluesabre> Woops :D
[22:25] <bluesabre> We previously required that submissions be your own work. Do we want to keep that requirement, or open it up to submissions of at least appropriately licensed work? Or was that also an aid to make sure we didn't have too much to judge?
[22:26] <pleia2> I like that it's their own work
[22:26] <pleia2> and I don't want the contents of unsplash submitted :)
[22:26] <bluesabre> Fair point
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, plus it's far more work to ensure the licensing is okay if it's not just own work...
[22:27] <jphilips> true
[22:27] <bluesabre> good thoughts... let's not change
[22:27] <pleia2> ok, so bluesabre want to lead the effort to keep us on track, and grab jphilips and I as needed?
[22:28] <bluesabre> I'm game for that.
[22:28] <jphilips> we could reduce the number of submissions per person if we want less things to vote on
[22:28] <ochosi> tbh I think we did put a lot of thought into the "original contest" (what was that, the LTS before 20.04? or even earlier?) my guess is we'd have to invest a lot of time and effort to really improve thigns...
[22:28] <pleia2> we currently limit people to 5 submissions
[22:28] <ochosi> yeah, that's the absolute maximum
[22:29] <ochosi> otoh we didn't always have "a lot" of "quality" submissions...
[22:29] <jphilips> oh okay
[22:29] <ochosi> so it was sometimes helpful to have >1 from someone who submits good stuff
[22:30] <pleia2> I have to step away again for work, but I'll also do what I can to help nudge docs along
[22:30] <bluesabre> #info bluesabre to lead wallpaper contest and get help from jphilips and pleia2 as needed
[22:30] <bluesabre> pleia2: alrighty, thanks for popping in!
[22:31] <bluesabre> We can move on to the docs now
[22:31] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Documentation
[22:31] <bluesabre> #link https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/blob/docs-refresh/CONTRIBUTING.md
[22:31] <bluesabre> jphilips kicked off a documentation refresh with a few community members last year. The changes were drafted in Google Docs but never fully migrated to Docbook.
[22:32] <bluesabre> I really want to do everything we can to get it out the door this cycle. :D
[22:32] <jphilips> sorry i dropped the ball on this and thought i would have had time to finish most of it before 21.10 but unfortunately didn't
[22:32] <jphilips> i'll definitely do it this cycle
[22:33] <bluesabre> All good... it's been a crazy  year
[22:34] <bluesabre> But yeah, if anybody is particularly good at docbook or extremely patient
[22:34] <bluesabre> We need you
[22:34] <bluesabre> :D
[22:35] <ochosi> (sry, my daughter woke up, had to step away)
[22:35] <bluesabre> :)
[22:35] <ochosi> lol, docbook...
[22:36] <bluesabre> Some part of me wonders if docbook is to blame for us not keeping docs folks around
[22:37] <bluesabre> But that's all I've got for this meeting. Anything else anybody wants to talk about while we have a few of us here?
[22:38] <jphilips> the UX vote on increasing the panel is still pending.
[22:38] <jphilips> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-July/012113.html
[22:39] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16
[22:40] <bluesabre> Since we have ochosi...
[22:40] <bluesabre> > @ochosi Go/no-go on this?
[22:40] <ochosi> i don't have a strong opinion on this tbh (not anymore at least)
[22:40] <ochosi> i guess i've been discussing these px changes too often already
[22:40] <ochosi> there'll always be users who appreciate one or the other, so feel free to go with whatever ;)
[22:41] <bluesabre> Guess we'll go for it then :D
[22:42] <bluesabre> jphilips: were there any other changes needed on that PR from the last discussions, or is it ready to go?
[22:42] <jphilips> adding clipman had 2 for and 2 against - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-July/012108.html
[22:43] <jphilips> yes the addition of the two launchers wasn't in the PR
[22:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: app clipman to panel?
[22:44] <bluesabre> s/app/add
[22:44] <ochosi> i'd probably be -1
[22:45] <ochosi> most people i know don't use this by default
[22:45] <ochosi> it's good that it's installed/shipped by default though
[22:46] <ochosi> but as I haven't been around very long I feel a little bad being the tie-breaker here
[22:46] <ochosi> god, I'm obviously tired...
[22:46] <ochosi> I meant: "as I haven't been around a lot lately"
[22:47] <bluesabre> :D
[22:47] <jphilips> i was thinking 'i've been around alot less than he has' :D
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi has been around forever
[22:47] <bluesabre> He got me in here
[22:47] <bluesabre> Blame him for everything that happened since ;)
[22:48] <jphilips> yep i knew that, that is why i was confused
[22:48] <bluesabre> Could also have Unit193 and pleia2 chime in on clipman so ochosi doesn't have to feel like the tie-breaker
[22:50] <jphilips> there was another vote for new themes, where arc received two +1 and one +0
[22:50] <bluesabre> Added a comment on https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15 with ochosi's vote
[22:50] <jphilips> with the new support of yaru for xfce, i think it might be a good candidate to include by default, as it also ships with ubuntu and ubuntu mate - https://news.itsfoss.com/yaru-xfce-support/
[22:51] <bluesabre> oh, yaru looks nice on xfce
[22:51] <ochosi> that sounds much more plausible than adding arc, tbh
[22:52] <bluesabre> Let's send that one to the ML for voting :)
[22:52] <ochosi> i can't stress enough though how much work adding more themes generates (if taken seriously). there's a lot of manual testing involved
[22:52] <ochosi> you have to install all kinds of apps and check if they're ok, and with the advent of gtk4 it hasn't really gotten any easier
[22:53] <bluesabre> Yaru is likely to be pretty well supported for Canonical reasons and being based on Adwaita... it's probably the lowest risk add
[22:54] <bluesabre> But I'm happy to consider it, let's get everybody else to vote
[22:54] <bluesabre> #action jphilips to email the ML to vote on adding Yaru, nudge other theme vote/discussion
[22:54] <meetingology> ACTION: jphilips to email the ML to vote on adding Yaru, nudge other theme vote/discussion
[22:55] <bluesabre> Probably about time to wind down. Anything else important to discuss right now?
[22:56] <jphilips> nothing from my end
[22:57] <bluesabre> Very cool.
[22:57] <ochosi> nope, nothing from me
[22:57] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:57] <bluesabre> I've got a slot on the schedule for December 9. I'll probably set up a Doodle poll for that closer to the date. :)
[22:58] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[22:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 22:58:05 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2021/xubuntu-devel.2021-11-11-22.01.moin.txt
[22:58] <ochosi> cool, thanks for setting up the meeting sean!
[22:58] <bluesabre> Thanks everybody for joining in. It was great to chat with everybody!
[22:58] <jphilips> thanks for everything bluesabre
[22:59] <jphilips> i'm now in canada, so on EST, so it wouldnt be in the AM for these meetings for me
[22:59] <bluesabre> oh wow, big move
[22:59] <jphilips> so i* wouldnt
[22:59] <jphilips> just visiting for the next few months
[22:59] <ochosi> alrighty, have a nice day/evening everyone!
[22:59] <jphilips> you too ochosi
[23:00] <bluesabre> We'll do the Unit193 schedule then... 3 AM EST "why am I awake"
[23:00] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi, have fun getting sleep!
[23:04] <bluesabre> Meeting minutes are up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:04] <bluesabre> Have a great night everybody
[23:06] <jphilips> you too bluesabre
[23:06] <jphilips> new themes email sent to ML
[23:36] <Unit193> Welp...I'm a bit late... :/


  Any content from me to you goes through the server in plaintext.  If you want to do IRC securely you need something like OTR which is end-to-end.
[02:39] <BobJonkman> And I do have OTR on this client, so we can try it if you're interested
[02:46] <BobJonkman> OTOH, not everyone wants to have their public key on the public key servers.
[02:46] <BobJonkman> One of the reasons for exchanging key signatures privately after a keysigning party.
[02:47] <BobJonkman> That's the polite way to do it, anyway
[02:48] <BobJonkman> jlamothe, did you see the conversation on the KWLUG list about a keysigning event, possibly a PGP/GnuPG presentation? Maybe even a cryptoparty?
[10:59] <jlamothe> BobJonkman: I did not.  I'm actually not subscribed to the calendar.
[15:26] <BobJonkman> jlamothe: KWLUG Crypto discussion starts here: http://kwlug.org/pipermail/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org/2013-July/010735.html
[21:47] <rtoyzer> hello
[21:47] <rtoyzer> anyone ?
[21:52] <azend> rtoyzer: hello
[22:09] <rtoyzer> ehllo azend
[22:09] <rtoyzer> do you know illumiroom microsoft ?
[22:09] <azend> rtoyzer: what's up?
[22:09] <azend> no
[22:10] <azend> are you trying to run it on Linux?
[22:11] <azend> looks pretty cool
[22:11] <azend> there's actually a ton of diy stuff like it though too
[22:12] <rtoyzer> yeah correct
[22:12] <azend> I can't remember what the search term is off of the top of my head right now but I probably will later
[22:12] <rtoyzer> i love that project
[22:13] <azend> most of them are more mood lighting ish based by averaging the colours on the screen and lighting up LEDs to that colour
[22:14] <azend> not a full projection like this one
[22:14] <azend> this would probably require a 4k video just to give it enough data to run though
[22:15] <azend> rtoyzer: where are you from?
[22:15] <rtoyzer> i m looking somthing equivalent of that in opensource
[22:15] <rtoyzer> i m from france
[22:15] <rtoyzer> Y ?
[22:17] <rtoyzer> azend: you there ?
[22:18] <rtoyzer> 4k video means ?
[22:18] <azend> 4000 pixels wide
[22:19] <azend> rtoyzer: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
[22:20] <azend> rtoyzer: as I said, I can't remember the names now but there are some Foss projects like it
[22:20] <rtoyzer> can just tell how it work in backend really ?
[22:20] <azend> I don't think any of them go to the extent of using a kinect + projector
[22:21] <azend> rtoyzer: In sure the information already available will tell you more than I ever will
[22:21] <rtoyzer> http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/illumiroom/ here
[22:21] <azend> rtoyzer: what brings you to the channel of Ubuntu Canada then?
[22:22] <rtoyzer> the developer using just only  1 projector and and kinect to make that things possible
[22:22] <azend> yeah
[22:23] <rtoyzer> as i got 1 projector and 1 kinect  in my possession
[22:23] <azend> rtoyzer: but you're not going to be able to watch TV like that for a long time :)
[22:23] <rtoyzer> how i can do it the same ?
[22:23] <rtoyzer> why ?
[22:23] <azend> not enough data in the video
[22:24] <rtoyzer> can you develop this thing : not enough data in the video
[22:24] <rtoyzer> what that it means ?
[22:24] <azend> someone could build it I'm sure
[22:25] <azend> but you would need specialty video to run on such a system
[22:25] <rtoyzer> specialty video means ?
[22:26] <azend> video of a much higher resolution
[22:26] <azend> much more pixels in the image
[22:26] <rtoyzer> when you say video are you talking about the projector or about the picture ?
[22:27] <azend> both together
[22:27] <rtoyzer> well tell me what  projector i need to bye ?
[22:27] <rtoyzer> buy
[22:28] <azend> well the video on the TV is almost certainly going to be 1080p
[22:29] <azend> most consumer home projectors max out at 1080p as well
[22:29] <azend> so you'd need two video streams
[22:29] <azend> the main video and then the overlay
[22:30] <rtoyzer> ok get
[22:30] <rtoyzer> so it's same like using 2 monitor with the pc, correct ?
[22:30] <azend> sort of yeah
[22:31] <rtoyzer> perfect
[22:31] <rtoyzer> tell me http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/illumiroom/ here
[22:31] <rtoyzer> microsoft using 1 projector
[22:31] <rtoyzer> and 1 kinect
[22:32] <rtoyzer> tell me which one is using for main video and which is for overlay video ?
[22:32] <azend> TV is using main video
[22:33] <rtoyzer> yeah i get that point
[22:33] <azend> projector is using overlay
[22:33] <rtoyzer> if you can see the video
[22:33] <rtoyzer> which is on the link
[22:33] <rtoyzer> microsoft using only using 1 projector
[22:33] <rtoyzer> and 1 kinect
[22:33] <azend> and a TV
[22:34] <rtoyzer> i forget that point
[22:34] <azend> kinect is just used to align the geometry of the images together
[22:34] <rtoyzer> ok i get
[22:35] <rtoyzer> kinect is just for catching the action on the video which is appearing on the TV ?
[22:35] <azend> yeah
[22:36] <azend> rtoyzer: you might have better luck with the Ubuntu guys in #ubuntu-fr
[22:36] <rtoyzer> so you switch it should be something
[22:36] <rtoyzer> like this
[22:36] <azend> they're from france too
[22:37] <rtoyzer> XBOX turn on =>  video on TV => kinect for catching the action with is on the TV => and the project is for project the catched action
[22:37] <rtoyzer> on the room environement
[22:38] <rtoyzer> correct ?
[22:38] <azend> rtoyzer: something like that yeah
[22:40] <rtoyzer> what kind of language i have to look for ?
[22:40] <rtoyzer> for coding of course
[22:43] <rtoyzer> or not needed to know
[22:44] <rtoyzer> on programation
[22:44] <rtoyzer>
[22:50] <rtoyzer> ???µ


[08:13] <RAOF> Man, moving i8{4,5}5 to VESA is going to cut down on the bug reports.
[10:14] <tseliot> Sarvatt: where's the patch for nvidia to enable compatibility with kernel 2.6.36 that you mentioned yesterday?
[10:54] <jcristau> RAOF: so you're moving those to vesa?  not trying your luck with ickle's shadow branch?
[13:30] <RAOF> jcristau: I think post-beta is a little bit late for trying my luck :).  There are shadow-branch packages in a PPA.
[13:32] <ScottK> How's i865 looking on Maverick?
[13:56] <ScottK> Seems ~as good as Lucid (which for this system isn't too bad).
[14:19] <ScottK> I'd be curious what the forecast is for i865 support to the next LTS?  I'd sort of assumed I'd have to leave this system at Lucid, but Maverick live session works very well.
[14:20] <jcristau> too early to tell i think
 ScottK: should potentially be better off than lucid but i'd be interested in hearing your experience with it if you do try it :) I think 865 is the only 8xx remotely working right these days
[14:21] <Sarvatt> guess I got booted there
[14:22] <ScottK> Just after I said that I got a X crash on logout.
[14:22] <ScottK> So it's not quite there yet.
[14:23] <Sarvatt> wasn't lucid working for you?
[14:23] <ScottK> Lucid is working.
[14:24] <ScottK> I'm doing this from a maverick live session.
[14:25] <Sarvatt> RAOF: ugh, copyfb patch is what's making sandybridge not work with 2.12.0-1ubuntu3, its not that its fixed in git its just that I dropped the patch in the git ones
[14:25] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi, are you planning some upload to the edgers ppa?
[14:25] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yeah going to fix up mesa today
[14:26] <ricotz> i need to delete the lucid package of cairo, and upload it again
[14:26] <ricotz> this copying from the primary archive seems to mess something up which prevents ia32libs to build
[14:27] <ricotz> Sarvatt, the mesa package for maverick is ok?
[14:28] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yup
[14:29] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i think deleting a package takes sometime until it is really gone?
[14:30] <Sarvatt> yeah check ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ to see when it really goes away
[14:33] <ricotz> Sarvatt, to clean up a bit - do you think the hardy,intrepid,jaunty packages can go?
[14:34] <Sarvatt> tormod wants to keep those, I suggested that too many times :)
[14:35] <ricotz> mhh, he is not around to ask again ;-)
[14:36] <Sarvatt> that was before we could filter by release and we got a space bump, i don't really mind anymore :)
[14:37] <ScottK> Sarvatt or RAOF: Would you please look at Bug #628077 and let me know if there is any additional information I should collect before I bail out of this live session?
[14:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Intel i865 crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628077
[14:37] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah, sure, but they are quite old and not to edgers-like anymore
[14:38] <Sarvatt> ScottK: hmm, odd, had the same problem in lucid and we backported a commit that fixed it but thats already in 1.9.0
[14:39] <ScottK> Sarvatt: This is at least slightly different since that one only failed for non-admin users.  This failed in the live session so it was for an admin user.
[14:41] <Sarvatt> ah the gpu did hang
[14:42] <ScottK> Do let me know if there's anything else I can add.
[14:42] <Sarvatt> ScottK: there are probably *many* of the same bug report already, will try to dig into the others and dupe it, shouldn't need more info
[14:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:42] <Sarvatt> did you use KMS with lucid?
[14:44] <Sarvatt> it should have defaulted to that unless you explicitly disabled it in case you dont know
[14:44] <ScottK> Yes.  I did.
[14:44] <ScottK> (I did use default)
[14:45] <Sarvatt> ScottK: If you want it to just work for the moment I suggest using the fbdev X driver instead of intel
[14:46] <ScottK> OK.  I'm not upgrading that machine yet, so I'll just wait and see.
[14:49] <ricotz> Sarvatt, are you using mutter with edgers nouveau?
[14:50] <Sarvatt> ricotz: nope just compiz
[14:51] <ricotz> ok, compiz is fine, but mutter (gnome-shell) has some greater issues
[14:51] <ricotz> i hope your mesa update will solve some things
[14:53] <Sarvatt> i need to fix the symbols for the lucid version and refresh the osmesa patch, will be a few hours because i'm doing some bug triage and trying to get a machine running now
[14:54] <Sarvatt> ugh, 865 is in bad shape like the rest of 8xx on maverick it looks like, duping about 30 bugs to one now with the same hang
[14:54] <ricotz> Sarvatt, alirght, keep in mind cairo is missing now until i'll upload it again
[14:55] <ricotz> or isnt mesa depending on it?
[14:56] <tseliot> Sarvatt: where's the patch for nvidia to enable compatibility with kernel 2.6.36 that you mentioned yesterday?
[14:56] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/nvidia-graphics-drivers-lucid-backport.patch
[14:56] <Sarvatt> wait wrong patch
[14:57] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/nvidia-2.6.36-ioctl.patch
[14:57] <Sarvatt> ricotz: nope mesa doesnt need cairo
[14:58] <tseliot> Sarvatt: Thanks. I asked as I think I'll upload the new driver today
[14:58] <Sarvatt> \o/
[14:59] <Sarvatt> thanks tseliot, that should stop a bunch of bug reports :) (LP: #616023) is one for the new abi problem
[15:00] <tseliot> Sarvatt: yes, also I'll make sure to disable the workaround in Jockey
[15:04] <Sarvatt> bryceh: any idea whats going wrong with the graphs? http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-maverick-workqueue.svg
[15:10] <Sarvatt> think its too late to get a new intel-gpu-tools snapshot into maverick? not having to run intel_error_decode on every bug report to decode PGTBL_ER would be nice :)
[15:10] <Sarvatt> then again i'm starting to memorize what each one means
[15:13] <Sarvatt> need to make arsenal script one of these days that grabs i915_error_state.txt from every bug, decodes it with intel_error_decode and puts the first 15 or so lines into the bug info
[15:37] <Sarvatt> ricotz: updating mesa now
[15:37] <ricotz> one sec
[15:37] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i want to start the rebuilt of ia32libs for lucid first
[15:39] <ricotz> i still need to wait for the cairo packages to publish
[15:40] <Sarvatt> let me know when, i'll just upload maverick
[15:40] <ricotz> Sarvatt, nevermind just push it
[15:41] <ricotz> the currently broken mesa source would break the ia32lib aswell
[15:41] <Sarvatt> ah right
[15:42] <tseliot> Sarvatt: does -ati in edgers require the new xserver? Or will it build against lucid's default X?
[15:42] <Sarvatt> lucid? hmm
[15:43] <Sarvatt> tseliot: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/xsfbsrevert.patch
[15:43] <Sarvatt> will need that + lowering the xserver-xorg-dev build dep in control
[15:43] <Sarvatt> but it should be fine with that
[15:43] <tseliot> Sarvatt: thanks a lot
[16:48] <Sarvatt> ricotz: argh, sorry, now the vmware build is busted on lucid
[16:48] <tseliot> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/486826/ I guess that patch wasn't enough
[16:49] <Sarvatt> needs an explicit xinerama proto dep there
[16:49] <Sarvatt> looking now tseliot
[16:49] <tseliot> thanks
[16:49] <Sarvatt> ah darn, you do need xutils-dev
[16:49] <Sarvatt> it's safe to just use maverick's in lucid though
[16:50] <Sarvatt> it's just a build time dependency, it wont affect the binaries
[16:51] <tseliot> are you talking to ricotz now?
[16:52] <ricotz> Sarvatt, no problem, i dont bother so much about lucid ;)
[16:52] <Sarvatt> tseliot: nope that was about radeon
[16:53] <Sarvatt> any most every other x package from git
[16:53] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ah, thanks
[16:54] <Sarvatt> tseliot: sorry about that, I update xorg-edgers automatically with scripts and don't bump the build deps most of the time since everything builds against xorg-edgers where I have the updated deps
[16:55] <tseliot> Sarvatt: np, I appreciate your work and your help
[16:58] <Sarvatt> ricotz: ok new mesa for lucid with an explicit x11proto-xinerama-dev dep uploaded, its not in xserver-xorg-dev for lucid
[17:00] <tseliot> err... I guess I'll upload nvidia tomorrow
[17:01] <Sarvatt> this intel copyfb patch is a mess, I have a feeling its causing a large number of the x-x-v-intel bugs at the moment :(
[17:32] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah I think I know, just been busy and didn't think anyone else was using the graphs :-) ; I'll try to square it away tonight
[17:33] <Sarvatt> bryceh: no worries at all its not important, I just like to see it go down when i knock out a big chunk :)
[17:33] <Sarvatt> (or get depressed when knocking out a big chunk doesn't outnumber the incoming bugs)
[18:32] <Sarvatt> RAOF, bryceh: What do you think about this for making fglrx/nvidia work without an xorg.conf? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-Attempt-to-get-nvidia-and-fglrx-working-without-an-x.patch
[18:33] <Sarvatt> all thats needed is that darn DefaultDepth
[18:34] <bryceh> Sarvatt, works for me, but be sure to run it by timo as well; I remember we attempted this once before but ran into some blocker (but I can't remember what it was)
[18:35] <Sarvatt> the defaultdepth 24 line yeah :( it'd be something for natty anyway
[18:57] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hey tell me about http://sarvatt.com/downloads/piglit/nouveau/ ?
[18:57] <Sarvatt> what about it?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> I dunno what ya mean, got a question about the nouveau results specifically?
[18:58] <bryceh> what is it? is it a good X test in general?
[18:58] <bryceh> is it nouveau only, or could we use it for any video driver?  where'd you find it?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~anholt/piglit/tree/README has a decent description of it
[18:59] <Sarvatt> oh if you go up a level you'd see the other tests I did, http://sarvatt.com/downloads/piglit/
[18:59] <Sarvatt> its used to spot regressions in mesa, it's pretty sweet
[18:59] <Sarvatt> when they spot major bugs they add test cases to it to make sure it doesn't regress and such
[19:00] <Sarvatt> can run it on any driver, that one was just nouveau specifically
[19:00] <bryceh> is it hardware specific at all?  i.e. is there value on running it on several different radeon cards or would it produce the same results in all cases?
[19:01] <jcristau> yes
[19:02] <Sarvatt> yeah it's really hardware specific, the results aren't comparable across generations or anything
[19:03] <Sarvatt> ati has problems with it, there's a bunch of ati specific tests to work around them in there
[19:10] <Sarvatt> it'd be nice if the test names mapped to fdo bugs they were taken from more obviously though :)
[19:33] <cnd> RAOF, I've found a bug in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
[19:33] <cnd> I've cloned the git repo for synaptics
[19:34] <cnd> should I fix the issue in the file itself in conf/50-synaptics.conf
[19:34] <cnd> or should I add a patch in debian/patches to fix it?
[19:34] <cnd> I don't believe the file is shipped by upstream
[19:35] <Sarvatt> cnd: conf/* is shipped by upstream so patch it is :)
[19:35] <cnd> oh it is?
[19:35] <cnd> hrm, I need to poke whot then...
[19:35] <jcristau> what's the bug?
[19:36] <cnd> jcristau, the matches for synaptics doesn't specify MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
[19:36] <jcristau> that's intentional
[19:36] <cnd> jcristau, why?
[19:37] <cnd> whot said it was a bug
[19:37] <jcristau> because that would break !linux
[19:37] <jcristau> why is it a problem?
[19:37] <cnd> ok, bear with me as I explain, it's not obvious
[19:37] <cnd> two touchpad devices A and B
[19:37] <cnd> X enumerates A before B
[19:38] <cnd> they both have a /dev/input/event* node and a /dev/input/mouse* node
[19:38] <cnd> I want A to use evdev instead of synaptics
[19:38] <cnd> I set up xorg.conf to do that properly
[19:38] <cnd> A gets handled by evdev, everything is fine
[19:38] <cnd> B's /dev/input/mouse* node gets probed by synaptics
[19:39] <cnd> it doesn't match /dev/input/event* in the synaptics probe function, so synaptics runs the eventcomm AutoDevProbe callback
[19:39] <cnd> the AutoDevProbe callback finds the first evdev node that isn't grabbed by synaptics
[19:39] <cnd> in this case, it finds A
[19:40] <jcristau> i'd argue that the bug is to go trolling random devices when it doesn't like the one it's given
[19:40] <cnd> one could make that argument
[19:40] <jcristau> also who has 2 touchpads? :)
[19:40] <cnd> ummm, I do?
[19:40] <cnd> I actually have 3 :)
[19:40] <jcristau> uh
[19:41] <jcristau> didn't know that existed :)
[19:41] <cnd> not that I actually use them all at the same time :)
[19:41] <jcristau> you don't have 3 hands?
[19:41] <cnd> internal synaptics trackpad, magic trackpad, bamboo touch
[19:41] <cnd> I'm still trying to grow a third
[19:41] <jcristau> hehe
[19:41] <cnd> so yeah, the eventcomm interface probably shouldn't even have an AutoDevProbe callback
[19:42] <cnd> but I just want to fix things for maverick right now
[19:42] <cnd> the simplest solution, as pointed out by whot, is to ensure synaptics is only called on evdev nodes through MatchDevicePath
[19:42] <jcristau> right
[19:43] <cnd> so I'll just create a patch to add the match clause
[19:43] <jcristau> in debian i'd like to avoid installing a different file on different archs..
[19:43] <cnd> oh yeah, hrm
[19:43] <cnd> that's a paiin
[19:43] <cnd> jcristau, I could make a patch to not register the eventcomm callback
[19:43] <jcristau> maybe i can add an option to the driver to disable auto-dev thing, and set that in the xorg.conf.d snippet
[19:44] <cnd> are you volunteering to fix it? :)
[19:44] <jcristau> so that a regular InputDevice section still works, but the hotplugged ones don't go crazy
[19:44] <jcristau> i'd say go with your MatchDevicePath for maverick
[19:45] <jcristau> i don't know when i'll have time for this
[19:45] <cnd> sure
[19:45] <jcristau> are you going to toulouse btw?
[19:45] <cnd> yep
[19:45] <cnd> I assume you'll be there/
[19:45] <cnd> ?
[19:46] <jcristau> i should get up my ass and look at trains/hotels
[19:46] <cnd> heh
[19:46] <cnd> if only I could ride a train there
[19:46] <cnd> or anywhere for that matter...
[19:47] <jcristau> seems to be 5h30 from paris to toulouse
[19:47] <cnd> hmm, that's quite a bit longer than I would have thought
[19:48] <cnd> though I'm not that familiar with france :)
[19:50] <jcristau> hmm, or i could take a plane.  flight is 1h10.
[21:05] <Sarvatt> RAOF: yeah its definitely not hw cursor init it's hanging in, thats just where the log stops normally - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorglog-snb.txt
[21:07]  * Sarvatt kicks the copyfb patch some more.
[22:11] <Sarvatt> RAOF: so, a refreshed copy-fb applied to xserver-xorg-video-intel git master works. argh! http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/101_copy-fb.patch
[22:13] <Sarvatt> I tried bringing back the changes from that vs our 101_copy-fb.patch to 2.12 but no luck there


[00:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Make it a WIKI - I know nothing :(
[00:03] <guiverc> Bashing-om, bottom of post there is a spanner thingy.. click it & I'd expect a MAKE WIKI option will be available to you.. I'm suggesting that
[00:04] <guiverc> once made wiki; the "make wiki" option should revert to a "remove wiki" option, which you can run when we want to close for review etc (don't want more articles etc)
[00:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Decibels is a Linux Audio Player Designed for Non-Music Files @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/10/decibels-audio-player-for-linux
[00:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Done the "MAKE WIKI option" - but I see nothing obvious changed.
[00:14] <guiverc> for you & me there is no change (we're mods in that area), but it changes for for others (who can now 'edit' it.. if abused the 'remove wiki' & revert change can be used)
[00:14] <guiverc> s/changes for for/changes it for/  ^
[00:15] <guiverc> i'm not sure how 'wide' the edit is be availabe.. but am hoping it may get interest & enquiries  ... reason for my suggesting it..  (may make no difference)
[00:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - any and all generated interest is a good thing.
[00:17] <guiverc> sorry for my brain farts; s/is be available/is to be available/   that and my poor typing ... aaaargh!
[00:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me no like this slim line keyboard - the thought of tearing down and attmepting to fix my ole mechanical keyboard is getting very attractive :P
[00:24] <guiverc> I can appreciate that.. (bad keyboards are no fun)
[00:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Not a bad keyboard here - just that the keys are low level and small --- I keep missing and/or fat fingering.


[10:04] <RikMills> santa_: I started it in a ci-train ppa, but had to go do other things so did not finish
[10:05] <santa_> RikMills: are you ok if I upload to our staging PPA and try to help then?
[10:05] <santa_> btw sorry for the delay I had, a really horrible few weeks
[10:06] <santa_> I even think I'm going to move to another home at some point, so you imagine ;)
[10:28] <RikMills> let me look at the build status in a bit and have a think
[14:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:57]  * RikMills nails down queubot
[17:06] <RikMills> santa_: I have just carried on as IMO that is the easiest and less confusing route now
[17:06] <RikMills> sorry for stepping on toes
[17:06] <santa_> no problem, thanks for taking care
[17:06] <RikMills> fyi https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4711/+packages?field.series_filter=jammy
[17:07] <RikMills> there are all 1 new library and 2 new qml-module packages needed, so I really want to lend from that PPA
[17:07] <RikMills> s/lend/land
[17:08] <RikMills> :S
[17:17] <santa_> what is the new library?
[17:19] <RikMills> santa_: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/ki18n/commit/?h=kubuntu_jammy_staging&id=ad2c34c6397992813f0abbd209d4ba25d4cbae78
[17:19] <RikMills> oooh
[23:07] <mamarley> I've installed the FW 5.88 from the ci-train PPA and everything seems to be working fine.  Great work, thanks!
[23:11] <RikMills> mamarley: I've had to junk that ppa and switch to a new one. odd publisher problems with it on ppc64el. the new ppa is 4712


[10:34] <lapo> hi
[10:36] <nothlit> lapo: how is the artlibre set going? i'm still waiting for gimp to get tango icons, i've got them in inkscape and blender already
[10:36] <lapo> nothlit: not much work going in art libre latelly :-/
[10:37] <lapo> nothlit: anyway gimp has tango icons already (2.4)
[10:39] <nothlit> yeah, i've been waiting for the release
[11:50] <lapo> nothlit: gusty has ships the latest gimp
[11:50] <lapo> s/has//
[11:52] <nothlit> lapo: cool
[11:52] <andreasn> latest scribus also have updated icons
[11:53] <andreasn> still in the process of getting the inkscape icons upstream, but hopefully we can get them in the 0.46(?) release
[11:55] <lapo> andreasn: it would be nicer to have them depends on art libre with a sane icon lookup tho
[11:56] <andreasn> well, yeah, probably. But we both know that is a complicated process
[11:56] <andreasn> or, well, we need someone to write a patch
[11:57] <nothlit> most developers aren't interested in spending their time on that though =/
[11:57] <andreasn> well, perhaps proudhike or someone could give us a hand
[11:58] <andreasn> perhaps we could nail down the no-size-fits-all problem as well
[11:58] <andreasn> 16x16 vs. 22x22
[11:59] <andreasn> I'll see if I can get hold of him
[12:02] <kwwii> I wish we could just et rid of 16x16 icons and change 22x22 to 24x24
[12:05] <andreasn> because it's dividable by 8?
[12:06] <andreasn> I really don't think icons help in menus most of the time, but I guess we still need the 16x16's there if we want to keep that
[12:07] <kwwii> yeah ;-(
[12:07] <nothlit> we <really> need to make launchpad accept standard icon sizes
[12:08] <kwwii> I talked to them, they blew me off
[12:13] <nothlit> the devs just blew you off?
[12:13] <nothlit> wow
[12:14] <kwwii> more like the head of luanchpad blew me off
[12:15] <kwwii> he said that is what the design company that made the layout decided
[12:15] <kwwii> the small icons are like 14x14 iirc
[12:15] <nothlit> yeah
[10:16] <lapo> hi
[10:17] <Skiessi> hi
[10:39] <agentk_> ho


[11:30] <ansgar> Hi, I would like to ask for some packages in universe to be synced from Debian. Currently Ubuntu wily has a RC that I assume was synced manually to fix c++11 issues, but I would prefer if the final release was shipped.
[11:31] <ansgar> The source packages in question are dune-{common,geometry,grid,istl,localfunctions}. dune-grid-glue would need to be rebuild and dune-{typetree,pdelab} should probably be updated as well (though they still have no new release, just a Git snapshot).
[11:41] <cjwatson> ansgar: doing
[11:43] <ansgar> cjwatson: Yay. Thanks!
[11:46] <cjwatson> ansgar: Done all the syncs - I'll come back and sort out the rebuild later
[22:55] <cjwatson> doko: Thanks for doing the dune-grid-glue rebuild.  I'd been away from my desk most of the day and hadn't quite got to it yet.
[22:55] <doko> cjwatson, then any idea why dcmtk isn't migrating?
[22:56] <cjwatson> doko: Nope.
[22:57] <cjwatson> Seems to have a bunch of uninstallables resulting from it?
[22:57] <doko> how much memory have the amd64 buildds configured? insighttoolkit4 finsihed with memory exhausted
[22:57] <doko> yes, likely
[22:57] <cjwatson> doko: 4GB IIRC
[22:57] <doko> can we increase that?
[22:57] <cjwatson> I'm not sure
[22:57] <cjwatson> Probably difficult without also decreasing the number of builders
[22:58] <cjwatson> Please look at making the build more efficient first
[22:58] <doko> and how many cores? could try to build sequentially instead
[22:58] <cjwatson> dude just do a procenv build rather than asking me :-)
[23:03] <cjwatson> the actual configuration files aren't very explicit about what it ends up with and I don't remember how to compute it; I think it's 4 cores but don't quote me on that
[23:07] <cjwatson> doko: maybe try reducing optimisation for the compilation unit that's failing?  I'm assuming it's gigantic with lots of templates or something
[23:08] <cjwatson> doko: or split up into multiple compilation units
[23:09] <doko> cjwatson, it's all swig generated code, and looking at the top output it takes up to 1.8gb. so maybe the sequential build will be good enough
[23:12] <cjwatson> could be