[12:25] <elacheche> Morning folks! Who's around?
[12:26] <elacheche> I'm doing a very very bad job this days in contributing to the community, so soory about that.. Things aren't that cool anymore.. Work isn't stable and I'm busy doing nothing other than thinking :/
[12:27] <elacheche> So, I applied to host a release party during SFD, but I was late, I thought the deadline was for the 9th of this month, but it was the 5th :/ I applied anyway, and we'll see if the sfd team will accept that or not :/
[12:28] <elacheche> We will get a stall anyways
[12:28] <elacheche> I'll try to prepare the re-approval wiki page today, and share it by the end of the day asking for contribs
[13:33] <davlefou> elacheche, bonjour, désolé pour hier, après avoir vu nizar, il était 23h!!!


[18:45] <patdk-lap> how can I get my system to boot, when I have an nfs mount in fstab, but no network?


[20:03] <tomreyn> "beaver" seems to have once been a contributor to #ubuntu-fr and https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/utilisateurs/beaver - compromised account maybe?
[20:03] <dax> el's theory was a cat sitting on their keyboard
[20:03] <dax> hence the unban, 'cause i failed to consider that
[20:03] <tomreyn> hmm could be that yes


[00:16] <yelof> Ubuntu Studio 20.04 with low-latency and jack.  User A (and pulse) by default is in audio group. Created user B and has no audio device access.  As I understand only one user can access at a time, should I add user B to the audio group, or remove user A and use the system-wide pulse user?  what are the implications of each?
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> That's false.
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> There is no system-wide pulse.
[00:24] <yelof> okay, on normal ubuntu the only user in audio group is "pulse" and all users are able to play sound just trying to figure ubuntu-studio so that the 2nd user can also access sound. thanks for the input, user A works great, user B shows "no audio devices detected"
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you're around, this is your territory. ^
[00:46] <OvenWerks> yelof: are both users logged in at the same time?
[00:46] <OvenWerks> (and how?)
[00:50] <yelof> they were not both at once, both were separate local LXDE logins from boot.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> yelof: then put them both in the audio group... run ubuntustudio-controls as that user and do the fix rt button.
[01:13] <yelof> OvenWerks: okay will try, will that cause any conflict with a logged out user holding access after log-out/log-in will I want to reboot? (my understand is it will conflict for simultaneous logins/switch user)
[01:17] <OvenWerks> It may give trouble with switch user, but in ubuntustudio a logout and login should not be a problem
[01:18] <OvenWerks> in ubuntu vanilla with studio over top I am not so sure
[01:19] <OvenWerks> if you want to be able to use the same audio device with two users at the same time... you need to use network as an output on one
[01:19] <OvenWerks>  and allow a network in on the other
[01:20] <yelof> It's studio been upgraded about yearly from 16.04 and probably has too many vanilla packages added, okay. thanks for the assistance, now to logout and try.
[01:30] <yelof> OvenWerks: had about a 30 second delay (and same back to this user) with "no audio devices detected" for the audio devices to come up, then works fine with both users in audio group.  will research network. thanks for the information.
[01:31] <OvenWerks> ok
[11:08] <shaban238> hello. is ther eany problem with hexter? everytime i try to open it its not showing the interface and its crashing
[11:11] <shaban238> just want to be sure if this is a bug or if im doing smth wrong here
[14:13] <OvenWerks> shaban238: hexter is known to have trouble with the GUI yes.
[14:14] <shaban238> OvenWerks thnks :)
[14:14] <OvenWerks> I think it can still run and be controlled via midi
[14:14] <shaban238> yes it can
[14:14] <OvenWerks> just the gui crashes
[14:15] <shaban238> but i mgettting the send report thing
[14:15] <OvenWerks> please do
[14:15] <shaban238> sure i always do that
[14:15] <shaban238> :)
[14:16] <shaban238> im getting send report many times for the blueman also. it seems to disconnect my wifi when using bluetooth
[14:16] <shaban238> ahh just got one now '=D
[14:17] <OvenWerks> That I can't help you with, I don't have a wifi to work with or BT
[14:17] <shaban238> i see
[14:20] <OvenWerks> So it could be a HW thing. Are either the bt or wifi USB dongles? or are they both built in?
[14:21] <shaban238> well im on thinkpad and im sure my machine its fine
[14:22] <OvenWerks> So they are both built in then, If one was USB just changing the plug may help
[14:22] <shaban238> yes i thought that
[14:22] <shaban238> this is what the bug says
[14:22] <shaban238> https://postimg.cc/9zj0TZ9W
[14:23] <OvenWerks> maybe ask in #ubuntu it may be that there is a better wifi kernel module for that wifi chip
[14:23] <OvenWerks> I think the BT modules are pretty standard
[14:24] <shaban238> ok. i will write it at #ubuntu
[14:24] <OvenWerks> (there are a lot more people there too)
[14:25] <shaban238> is this the one: #ubuntu-unregged?
[14:25] <OvenWerks> should be just #ubuntu
[14:25] <shaban238> hm. i typed that and it brought me to the other
[14:26] <OvenWerks> I don't know then
[14:26] <shaban238> thnks anyway
[14:26] <OvenWerks> your welcome
[14:57] <StevenJayCohen> <shaban238 "hm. i typed that and it brought "> You need to register your nick to be admitted to that channel.
[14:57] <shaban238> yes exactly
[14:59] <shaban238> i dont know how to register. i read through the link but i didnt find anything
[15:50] <StevenJayCohen> <shaban238 "i dont know how to register. i r"> http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=freenode+register+nick
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> !register | shaban238
[16:40] <shaban238> OvenWerks btw i wrote directly to the developer of hexter :)
[16:41] <OvenWerks> shaban238: ok, I expect you will not get much help as I don't think he has done anything to hexter in a number of years.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> dssi is basically dead any more. It would be nice to convert it to an LV2 with more up to date GUI tool kit.
[16:43] <OvenWerks> wifi trouble
[16:44] <shaban238> OvenWerks sorry i didnt catch the entire phrase as i was logged out
[16:44] <OvenWerks> shaban238: ok, I expect you will not get much help as I
[16:44] <OvenWerks>                    don't think he has done anything to hexter in a number of
[16:44] <OvenWerks>                    years.
[16:44] <OvenWerks>  dssi is basically dead any more. It would be nice to convert it to an LV2 with more up to date GUI tool kit.
[16:44] <shaban238> ah ok! i didnt know as im kinda new here
[16:45] <OvenWerks> kxstudio has dexed in a plugin I think.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> dexed is also a DX7 emulator
[16:45] <shaban238> ok i will check that
[16:46] <shaban238> i have a real dx7 btw but hexter sounds really nice :)
[16:46] <OvenWerks> be careful about grabbing the whole txstudio set of programs as there are some that conflict with studio
[16:46] <OvenWerks> in particular Cadence is one to stay away from
[16:46] <shaban238> yep i noticed that actually when i tried some days ago
[16:47] <shaban238> i have reinstall the system different times to find and learn the right way
[16:47] <OvenWerks> I also have a dx7 (flat buttons)
[16:47] <shaban238> :D
[16:47] <shaban238> great synth btw
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I like the feel of the kb though.... probably because I am _not_ a kb player :)
[16:48] <shaban238> haha me too im a guitar player
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I also like the expresion available from the fm synth
[16:49] <shaban238> its pretty yeah :)
[16:49] <shaban238> btw apart from zynadd subfx my surprise was on phasex
[16:49] <shaban238> never heard before
[16:49] <shaban238> really good soft synth
[16:50] <OvenWerks> I hope it sticks around
[16:50] <shaban238> i wish it remembers the interface i choose though anytime i start it again
[16:51] <shaban238> as i need to choose the system color and notebook interface anytime i restart it
[16:51] <OvenWerks> yeah, phasex uses a whole colour theme
[16:52] <shaban238> have you tried vcv rack though any issues?
[16:52] <shaban238> im getting xruns with it and its a bit weird as with bitwig and others it seems pretty fine
[16:52] <OvenWerks> I have not.
[16:52] <shaban238> i see
[16:53] <OvenWerks> I have heard it is cpu heavy and I am not sure of the quality of the dsp code
[16:54] <shaban238> yeah im not sure too...
[16:54] <OvenWerks> The dev is not really a part of the community like willing to take suggestions etc.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> There are some very good dsp guys in the community
[17:01] <shaban238> i see. and actually it sounds really good also
[17:02] <OvenWerks> Yes it can sound quite good.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> Dave Philips has done quite a bit with it
[17:03] <shaban238> :)
[17:03] <shaban238> i need to say this. i love the way pure data is integrated in ubuntu studio. i dont know who collected all externals but its really great to have them already there :D
[17:29] <OvenWerks> http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/1625-music-td107605.html
[17:30] <OvenWerks> shaban238: That link has a link to some stuff done with vcv
[17:32] <shaban238> thnks :)
[18:35] <zurn> Hi everyone, I'm wondering if anyone can help me straighten out my audio settings: I recently switched to the updated version of ubunstustudio-controls to see if it would fix an issue I was having with JACK and a firewire interface I have (makes a crazy distortion sound every 30 seconds or so), but doing so has resulted in no sound whatsoever from
[18:35] <zurn> my computer's speakers/headphone jack... I'm on Ubuntu Studio 18.04 LTS
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> zurn: Ubuntu Studio 18.04 was not released as an LTS.
[18:36] <zurn> I know it has something to do with the pulse->jack bridge
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports | zurn
[18:38] <OvenWerks> zurn: are you using the alsa modules for your FW device?
[18:41] <zurn> Hi OvenWerks, you actually helped me fix the distortion issue back in August but I didn't document the solution properly!... yes I do use ALSA with the FW device as the distortion occurs with JACK
[18:42] <OvenWerks> I don't remember either :)
[18:42] <OvenWerks> which jack settings are you using?
[18:43] <zurn> Your response back in August was this: "if you use jack with the pulse->jack bridge, then the same fix will effect jack as well. If use ubuntustudio-controls to start jack, t will already fix pulse to work with jack. the problem is that pulse takes it's sync from the first alsa device it finds (normally the internal audio) and uses it for sync. The
[18:43] <zurn> pulse -> jack bridge binds jack to pulse in a closer way than it should (because the bridge was never properly finished) and so removing phyical devices from pulse allows pulse to use jack for it's sync. If pulse has two sources of sync they will clash even if they work at the same rate"
[18:44] <OvenWerks> Yup. I have seen that
[18:44] <zurn> what's the best way to check my jack settings? I'm pretty confused as to what's happening where after installing the new ubuntustudio-controls
[18:45] <OvenWerks> in ubuntustudio controls the audio page should not have changed that much
[18:46] <OvenWerks> Basically the sample rate and buffer size
[18:47] <zurn> 44.1 Hz, 1024 buffer size
[18:47] <OvenWerks> nothing odd then.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> if you want to beable to have audio from your internal card at the same time you need to enabletem on the second sub tab in audio settings
[18:51] <OvenWerks> the tab is called Extra devices
[18:52] <zurn> hmm.. doesn't seem to do anything... I also tried setting my Jack Master Device to my internal card, still no sound
[18:52] <zurn> I have the FW device disconnected
[18:53] <zurn> And oddly, the mute button on the keyboard is ineffective, it's always enabled
[18:54] <OvenWerks> with jack set for your internal device and no sound (from desktop I assume) then next go to the pulse bridging page.
[18:54] <OvenWerks> under the Add an Output Bridge the next box down should have pulse_out or similar
[18:55] <zurn> yep, that all seems good
[18:56] <OvenWerks> and you have applied audio settings from there
[18:56] <zurn> yep
[18:57] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type jack_lsp -c |pastebinit
[18:57] <OvenWerks> post the url here
[18:58] <zurn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x6F9Vn9jbz/
[18:58] <OvenWerks> OK that looks as expected
[18:59] <OvenWerks> in the terminal try alsamixer
[18:59] <OvenWerks> you may have to hit F6 to switch to your internal card
[18:59] <OvenWerks> it is probaly pch
[19:01] <OvenWerks> The first four bars from the left are probably Master, haedphones, PCM and Front or speaker
[19:01] <zurn> it's set to PCH, still no sound/always muted though
[19:02] <zurn> (should add that the mute button is definitely not broken, as it works fine when I boot into my Windows system)
[19:02] <OvenWerks> in the first four bars are the levels up
[19:02] <OvenWerks> I am not suggesting your mute button is bad
[19:03] <OvenWerks> maybe send me a screen shot of alsamixer with the card set to PCH
[19:04] <zurn> heh, ya I just added that to be sure........ the levels are all up except for an item called Headphone 1 (different than Headphone), which doesn't have a meter
[19:04] <zurn> okay, will do
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Oh ok.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> the little box at the bottom of each bar should have 00 not mm
[19:05] <OvenWerks> (or MM)
[19:06] <zurn> okay, they all have mm!
[19:06] <zurn> MM
[19:06] <OvenWerks> so the Master should be in red
[19:07] <OvenWerks>  if you hit M the MM should turn to 00
[19:07] <OvenWerks> then use the arrow key to move through the next three and do the same
[19:07] <zurn> there it is!
[19:07] <zurn> it was muted?
[19:08] <OvenWerks> I would guess so. Not sure why. That is the card it self which is different from pluse muting
[19:08] <OvenWerks>  pulse muting is what your mute key affects
[19:09] <OvenWerks> So your mute key should work now for desktop sound like the browser
[19:09] <zurn> actually... neither the mute key or the volume control keys work now
[19:09] <zurn> lol
[19:10] <OvenWerks> They will not work for jack applications like Ardour for example, but should work for desktop audio
[19:11] <OvenWerks> Though, I do recall there being an issue in 18.04 or so with that ( Eickmeyer ?)
[19:11] <OvenWerks> There was a fix for it at the time bnut I didn't pay much attention to it because I have a very old keyboard
[19:12] <zurn> not working for desktop audio (playing music in browser, or from VLC)
[19:12] <zurn> interesting
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, as I recall, there was an issue with 18.04 where Ardour was having trouble with some things.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> zurn: I'd highly recommend upgrading to 20.04 as soon as possible. 18.04 was not a good release for us at all.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: no desktop audio the vol up keys not working
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: OOOOohhhh... yes. That was resolved in 19.10.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> It had to do with xfce4-volumed which hasn't seen any love since the dark ages.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> zurn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio#Known_Problems
[19:38] <zurn> hi sorry I got a phone call... okay cool, I'll upgrade to 20.04, sounds cool, I may wait until after I finish the recording project I'm working on however, just in case it messes with something
[19:39] <transistor75> hello everybody, hope you're well !
[19:39] <transistor75> is this channel only in english or can I use french ?
[19:39] <OvenWerks> I dop not think there is any one who would be able to help
[19:40] <OvenWerks> I seem to be the language chalenged one in the family
[19:40] <transistor75> ok, trying in english so
[19:41] <transistor75> just to notice a strange bug with the last 20.04 ubuntustudio release
[19:41] <OvenWerks> your english doesn't have to be great
[19:41] <OvenWerks> ok
[19:41] <shaban238> try #ubuntu-fr
[19:42] <transistor75> thks, I will try here before, no problem
[19:42] <zurn> thanks a lot OvenWerks and Eickmeyer... you've bailed me out once again!
[19:42] <transistor75> after fresh install on recent laptop, everything works perfectly out of the box
[19:43] <transistor75> but since the last 5.4.0-28 lowlatency kernel installation wifi doesn't work anymore
[19:44] <OvenWerks> hmm, And you have tried the generic kernel as well?
[19:44] <transistor75> come back to the 5.4.0-26 fix the issue
[19:44] <OvenWerks> The low latency kernel is very similar to the generic kernel, All the same modules
[19:44] <transistor75> no I didn't try the generic kernel
[19:46] <OvenWerks> If the same problem was there in generic, the kernel team would be more "excited" about making sure it was fixed :)
[19:46] <transistor75> so wifi works with the iwlwifi driver with 5.4.0-26 lowlatency kernel, but not with the 5.4.0-28
[19:48] <OvenWerks> That is good to know becasue there was just someone else having similar trouble.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> something about blue tooth and wifi causing trouble.
[19:49] <transistor75> currently I'm using 5..4.0-26 kernel and everythink works fine, so it's not a big problem, but would be nice if the problem will be fixed in the later released
[19:49] <OvenWerks> yes it would
[19:50] <OvenWerks> if you could boot to the troublsome kernel
[19:50] <OvenWerks> and type in a terminal ubuntu-bug linux-lowlatency
[19:50] <transistor75> I didn't try blue tooth as I needed work with network and I came back imediately on previous kernel that I knew working
[19:51] <OvenWerks> it should do a bug report
[19:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: would he need a launch pad account for that?
[19:52] <OvenWerks> But yes certainly stay on the older working kernel till it gets fixed
[19:55] <transistor75> sure, but if I can "help" to fix, would be nice
[19:56] <transistor75> is it possible to save the bug report in a file ? because, if not I don't know how send the report without network
[19:59] <shaban238> transistor75 do you know which wireless driver or card? if its brodcom than i would doubt its a kernel bug
[19:59] <shaban238> broadcom*
[20:01] <transistor75> driver is backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[20:01] <transistor75> don't know for the card
[20:02] <shaban238> yes thats the one used by default and its open source. but there should be a propieatary driver for the wireles card
[20:02] <shaban238> i see
[20:03] <shaban238> mine looks like this
[20:03] <shaban238> https://postimg.cc/RWBCwVxy
[20:04] <transistor75> lspci give this about wireless card:
[20:04] <transistor75> Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] (rev 10)
[20:05] <shaban238> ok
[20:05] <transistor75> open source driver used
[20:06] <shaban238> yes. pretty weird that its working with the older kernel
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, transistor75 : Bug reports require Launchpad accounts, I'm afraid. Very easy to sign-up for one.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> They might already be aware if there's a wifi issue with the latest x-release.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> transistor75: Nobody here works on the kernel. :)
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> !info backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[20:08] <transistor75> I expected something easier even if easy for you ;D
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> transistor75: I wasn't talking about easy for me. If a 60-something-year-old grandmother can do it (I have an example, not me), you can too. :)
[20:10] <transistor75> for sure you don't know my grandmother :')
[20:10] <transistor75> but ok, I can probably do it, just
[20:11] <transistor75> is bug reporting works even without network ?
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> ! bug | transistor75
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> So, no, reporting a bug doesn't work without network. Can it be wired-in?
[20:13] <transistor75> will try with my smartphone as modem
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that should work. :)
[20:15] <transistor75> so to summarize, correct me if I'm wrong
[20:16] <transistor75> create a launchpad account (ask to my grandmother how to do :') )
[20:16] <transistor75> boot with 5.4.0-28 lowlatency kernel
[20:17] <transistor75> type in a terminal ubuntu-bug linux-lowlatency
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> ^ Once you do that, it will guide you through the rest.
[20:18] <transistor75> and then connect the laptop to network using smartphone
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Nah, connect it _before_ you type ubuntu-bug in the terminal.
[20:19] <transistor75> ok XD  thank you
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome.
[20:29] <transistor75> account created, will now reboot, thanks for your help, have a good evening and be safe irl, bye
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> You too!


[04:37] <ClientAlive> What is the best way to align partitions across multiple disks? Is there a way to do it that doesn't involve creating partitions on the other disks just as spacers? My problem is, I'll have a raid array but not everything on this systeam can be in a raid array (the uefi system partition for instance). I still want the partitions in the raid array to lign up on the physical platters across all disks though.
[04:53] <soy_el_pulpo> I guess you can copy the partition of the disk you want to be the source to the other targets, assuming they are exactly the same
[04:54] <soy_el_pulpo> and only add to the raid the ones you need, excluding those that can't be RAIDed
[04:55] <soy_el_pulpo> you can use "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" to copy the partition form sda to sdb
[04:56] <soy_el_pulpo> ClientAlive: hope this helps
[04:57] <ClientAlive> thx man
[04:57] <ClientAlive> it does :)
[04:57] <jacksonka> Anyone aware of an encryption algorithm stronger than ECDSA
[05:01] <jacksonka> Anyone aware of an encryption algorithm stronger than Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm?
[05:02] <jacksonka> Specifically ECDSA 521
[05:15] <jacksonka> I am attempting to deploy Jabber has anyone done it on Ubuntu 12.04?
[06:10] <madprops> hi, I was wondering what the justifications for forking apache are
[06:12] <madprops> some folks at httpd seem to be appalled by this
[06:23] <andol> madprops: what fork are you refering to?
[06:26] <madprops> andol, http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianDeb0rkification
[06:28] <andol> Wouldn't call that so much a fork, as providing a different set of default configuration.
[06:31] <andol> My personal opinion is that I do appreciate this split into include files, but agree with the wiki page on some not-optimal default. From what I have understood that is at least partly done in regards to backward compability, not breaking upgrades for packages which depend on Apache2, etc
[07:13] <balachmar> Hi, I am installing postfix as a mailserver on a vps and it is working with ufw disabled. But when I enable it it blocks port 587 even when in the status it allows udp and tcp from Anywhere
[07:16] <sarnold> balachmar: can you pastebin your ufw status output somewhere?
[07:16] <sarnold> balachmar: have you manually added any rules that would prevent it from working?
[07:17] <sarnold> balachmar: does netstat -tnlp | grep :587  show it listening? is it listening on the interfaces you expect?
[07:17] <sarnold> s/interfaces/addresses/
[07:18] <balachmar> @sarnold: http://pastebin.com/uwV47Dr6 for ufw status verbose
[07:18] <sarnold> balachmar: hrm, I see an explicit DENY on 25; how are you testing that 587 doesn't work?
[07:19] <balachmar> sarnold: I am using thunderbird. and it works fine with ufw disabled
[07:20] <balachmar> sarnold: iptables output: http://pastebin.com/BKSjcCzd
[07:20] <sarnold> oof, I'm once again reminded that I need to study iptables more. :)
[07:21] <balachmar> sarnold: and netstat: http://pastebin.com/rZNyT7yx
[07:21] <sarnold> balachmar: and you're confident thunderbird isnt using 25?
[07:21] <balachmar> sarnold: yes, that was what I was thinking as well, with all that chaining, I am a bit abffled
[07:22] <balachmar> sarnold: well, it is telling me it uses 587 with STARTTLS
[07:22] <balachmar> But I can allow 25 for now
[07:22] <sarnold> balachmar: can you try something like openssl s_client -connect mailserver.foo.example.com:587   ? I think that should work..
[07:23] <balachmar> sarnold: even with 25 open (according to ufw) no luck
[07:24] <balachmar> openssl s_client -connect mail.wligtenberg.nl:587
[07:24] <balachmar> CONNECTED(00000003)
[07:24] <balachmar> mmm, I could have ubfoscated the server name there :)
[07:24] <sarnold> CONNECTED is actually encouraging..
[07:24] <sarnold>    16  2272 ACCEPT     tcp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0           tcp dpt:587
[07:25] <sarnold> that shows some 16 packets accepted through to port 587, right?
[07:25] <sarnold> (line 73)
[07:26] <balachmar> sarnold: http://pastebin.com/695FdJc7 full thing from openssl
[07:26] <sarnold> balachmar: can you check the postfix logs? thjere might be something else oging on..
[07:28] <sarnold> balachmar: aha, add a -starttls smtp to that openssl command line; I just got a nice SMTP session with your server
[07:29] <balachmar> @sarnold: you were able to send mail?
[07:36] <balachmar> @sarnold: I don't know :)
[07:37] <sarnold> balachmar: hehe :)
[07:37] <balachmar> @sarnold: aah I know why it whines about that
[07:37] <sarnold> balachmar: well, there's lots of reasons why it might fail to relay.. hopefully the logs say _why_
[07:37] <balachmar> @sarnold: you need to login to do that
[07:37] <balachmar> @sarnold: do you know how I can login using the openssl command?
[07:38] <sarnold> balachmar: oh man, it looks complicated :)  http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2554
[07:38] <balachmar> maybe I can use this: http://www.ndchost.com/wiki/mail/test-smtp-auth-telnet
[07:39] <sarnold> balachmar: ooh. worth a shot.
[07:44] <balachmar> @sarnold: ok, authenticated :)
[07:46] <balachmar> @sarnold: and seemingly able to send an e-mail
[07:46] <sarnold> balachmar: nice :) can you send...
[07:46] <sarnold> woo.
[07:46] <balachmar> @sarnold: but it didn't arrive yet...
[07:48] <balachmar> @sarnold: mmm, it didn't work
[07:49] <balachmar> So, as soon as I turn off ufw, I can send e-mail
[07:49] <balachmar> sarnold: I think it is actually about sending it, not receiving the task of sending mail
[07:50] <balachmar> sarnold: yes, it is unable to resolve google.com hostname
[07:50] <balachmar> sarnold: I can't ping on that machine either when I turn on ufw
[07:52] <balachmar> sarnold: I just don't know which ports are required for that
[07:52] <sarnold> balachmar: ping is different, that uses icmp rather than tcp or udp
[07:53] <balachmar> @sarnold, ok and which port is used for DNS?
[07:53] <sarnold> balachmar: resolving google.com would require probably allowing input from port 53 back to your server on any ephemeral port...
[07:53] <sarnold> balachmar: (the request is probably made from an ephemeral port rather than a well-known port..)
[07:54] <sarnold> balachmar: .. is there a connection tracking module required / available for dns?
[07:54] <balachmar> sarnold: don't know
[07:55] <balachmar> sarnold: I know that ping google.com doesn't work as soon as I enable ufw and that postfix also complains about not knowing where to send the mail
[07:55] <sarnold> balachmar: hrm, I don't see one on my system anyway..
[07:56] <sarnold> balachmar: 'ufw allow proto icmp' would probably fix that...
[07:56] <sarnold> (fix ping, that is. dunno about the rest. :)
[07:57] <balachmar> sarnold: ERROR: Need 'to' or 'from' clause ... (I forgot to mention this thing is running 8.04...)
[07:57] <sarnold> balachmar: aha, my shiny 13.04 laptop has them both optional :)
[07:58] <sarnold> .. though maybe that's just a shotrhand in the manpage.
[07:58] <balachmar> sarnold: and since it is a vps on openvz upgrading I cannot upgrade it
[07:58] <sarnold> balachmar: maybe 'to <IP_ADDRESS>'?
[08:00] <balachmar> sarnold:ERROR: Unsupported protocol 'icmp'
[08:01] <sarnold> balachmar: try 'proto 1' ?  (I found it via grep icmp /etc/protocols)
[08:03] <balachmar> sarnold:ERROR: Unsupported protocol '1'
[08:03] <balachmar> :)
[08:07] <balachmar> sarnold: Aah, there seem to be issues with ufw using non stock ubuntu kernels (which vps companies do)
[08:07] <balachmar> sarnold: so, fixing that first
[08:28] <sarnold> balachmar: oooof. :/ it's bedtime for me, I hope you get something working to your liking. :)
[08:28] <sarnold> balachmar: if you wind up fixing it, I'd be curious to know what the end result is. :) good luck
[08:42] <balachmar> sarnold: I will let you know via a pm
[10:27] <_dreamer> Hello, I am installing a webserver with apache mysql and php. I ran into some trouble while trying to connect to my mysql server (from a local machine that's not the server). I get the Can't connect to [local] MySQL server error and I do not understand how to fix it even after reading this, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/can-not-connect-to-server.html. Can anyone help me?
[10:32] <_dreamer> Hello, I am installing a webserver with apache mysql and php. I ran into some trouble while trying to connect to my mysql server (from a local machine that's not the server). I get the Can't connect to [local] MySQL server error and I do not understand how to fix it even after reading this, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/can-not-connect-to-server.html. Can anyone help me?
[10:36] <_dreamer> nvm, gonna use phpmyadmin...
[11:57] <balachmar> Hi, I'm installing my own mail server, and I can send mail, and connect to imap. But I don't receive mails that I send from my gmail account to my new mail address.
[11:57] <balachmar> I am not sure how I can check that
[12:06] <e_t_> balachmar: do you have an MX record pointing to the mail server you set up?
[12:07] <balachmar> e_t_: yes, I now found this website that allowed me to check to which server it is pointing
[12:07] <balachmar> e_t_: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx and that was fine
[12:07] <balachmar> e_t_: however when I did an smtp check, it failed. Now I allow port 25 as well, I didn't know if that was required
[12:08] <balachmar> e_t_: and that seemed to fix it :) I didn't really want to open 25, because I am sending over ssl, but apparently I also need it to receive mails :D
[12:09] <e_t_> Port 25 has to be open on a mail server. Otherwise, it's like welding your mailbox shut.
[12:09] <balachmar> e_t_: yep, kind of got that now :D
[13:39] <liri> hey guys
[13:40] <liri> I've got an Ubuntu natty server, where all of my repositories are configured to use us.archive.ubuntu.com. When I issue an apt-get update, I get 404 Not Found on many of the configured repositories.
[13:42] <liri> Should I fix up the repositories configuration some how or should I just go about doing a dist-upgrade?
[13:45] <mardraum> personally I would upgrade, otherwise, look for a mirror that still holds that ancient release.
[13:46] <liri> yeah I think I found a way
[13:46] <liri> just convert the source.list file from us.archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[13:46] <liri> should do it for the basic stuff
[13:46] <liri> thanks though
[17:22] <garrettkajmowicz> Greetings! I just upgraded my server from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS and the newly-installed kernels will not boot. Specifically, I get dumped to a busybox shell. If I boot a kernel from 10.04, everything comes up fine. The funny thing is that if I am in the busybody shell, the root volume isn't mounted, but "mount /dev/md0 /root" works just fine. Any thoughts?
[17:44] <qman__> garrettkajmowicz, try creating/recreating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[17:44] <qman__> backing up any existing files of course
[17:45] <qman__> the 10.04 kernel may be doing autodetection that the 12.04 kernel isn't doing
[17:48] <garrettkajmowicz> qman__: I can buy that (working on the file now). However, simply running "mount /dev/md0 /root" works flawlessly once I'm in busybox - the RAID set has been automatically assembled.
[17:52] <garrettkajmowicz> qman__: I've checked the mdadm.conf file and updated it with a few bits. Next reboot (which will disable this connection) I will see if anything works better.
[17:52] <qman__> ok, just an idea
[17:54] <qman__> one other thing, check to make sure /boot didn't fill up
[17:55] <qman__> if it did you may have gotten partial/broken files on your new kernels or new initramfs files
[18:19] <lenny__> Hello this may be the wrong place for this question so I am sorry in advanced. I have set up my own server and have configured the DNS to point to it when I arrive at the page the page displays webpagename.com but when I go to any link it shows my server name. Is doing a mod rewrite the best way to handle this or is their a better way to do this?
[18:19] <lenny__> sorrry server IP not name
[18:25] <qman__> lenny__, that means you need to reconfigure your web application's settings
[18:26] <qman__> most web applications have a configuration file which has a setting for your site URL - where it is will depend on that application
[18:30] <lenny__> ok so for instance this is a wordpress install I should be looking their?
[18:31] <balachmar> I am trying to install roundcube, installed package form repos, but server/roundcube/installer/ doesn't exist
[18:31] <qman__> yes, wordpress should have a configuration file with a setting that is currently set to your server's IP, and that should be changed to your site name
[18:31] <lenny__> ok thank you very much qman__
[18:32] <andol> Seem to recall that wordpress has that setting in the database? (Commonly modified from /wp-admin/)
[18:33] <lenny__> I think wp-config.php should have it if not ill check the database. myserver is locked down to only allow shell access from my network though so I will check in an hour when I get back.
[23:31] <codepython777> anyone using vagrant / puppet / chef here?
[23:31] <codepython777> I was thinking of provisioning using bash, and was wondering if someone had any luck with that?
[23:49] <madprops> is there much difference between CentOS and Ubuntu Server when it comes to security?
[23:52] <qman__> yes, the two take different approaches on a number of issues
[23:53] <qman__> if you're really asking if one is more secure than the other though, the answer is no
[23:56] <qman__> security isn't about selecting one product over another, it's about strategy and behavior, you're only as strong as your weakest link


[05:48] <darkxst> Noskcaj, now that V is open, would be good to push some of the stuff in gnome3 to the archives
[05:48] <darkxst> although anything that uses gtkheaderbar/CSD's is still blocked
[06:33] <mgedmin> um how do I ppa-purge?  it wants to remove gdm, I don't want that
[06:34] <mgedmin> it also wants to remove gnome-shell
[06:34] <mgedmin> why remove and not downgrade?
[06:35] <darkxst> mgedmin, ppa-purge can't handle things very well when there are soname bumps
[06:35] <mgedmin> hm
[06:35] <darkxst> however, just make a not of what it wants to remove, let it go ahead
[06:35] <darkxst> re-install ubuntu-gnome-desktop (that should pull in most things removed)
[06:36] <darkxst> and then if there is anything missing install those
[06:36] <darkxst> just don't reboot until you have done all three of those steps!
[06:37] <darkxst> s/not/note/
[06:38] <darkxst> it would be hard to actually fix ppa-purge, particularly given none of authors care much about it anymore
[07:18] <mgedmin> welp, update-manager now insists I reboot before doing the upgrade
[07:18] <mgedmin> do-release-upgrade here I come!
[07:18] <mgedmin> yay gnome-terminal crashed of course
[07:18] <mgedmin> of couse it crashed, how could it not crash?
[07:18] <mgedmin> screen -x is a lifesaver
[07:20] <darkxst> mgedmin, only when you force it to do a distro update
[07:21] <darkxst> you really should ppa-purge before that ;]
[08:35] <dia0uL> I upgraded to 14.10 and now have issue with my display, vertical sync isn't perfect and I have a scrambled screen. When I play with xrandr and switch from one resolution to another sometimes the problem disapears, regardless of the selected resolution... How can I troubleshoot this issue? I've read xorg logs but there's nothing interesting there. With 14.04 I had no such issue. My graphical card id ATI X1600 (rather old but sti
[08:35] <mgedmin> well upgrade is a success
[08:36] <mgedmin> some ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 trusty packages are newer than the ones in utopic
[08:36] <mgedmin> maybe I should've ppa-purged it too
[08:57] <mgedmin> apt-show-versions is very useful
[12:08] <mgedmin> ctrl-alt-esc makes gnome-shell 3.12 segfault in 14.10 + gnome3 ppa
[12:30] <mgedmin> ok, time for 3.14 goodness: add-apt-repository -y ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging
[12:37] <mgedmin> adwaita-icon-theme-full 3.14.0-0ubuntu1~utopic1 fails to install:
[12:37] <mgedmin> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursors/top_left_corner', which is also in package gnome-themes-standard-data 3.12.0-1ubuntu1
[12:37] <mgedmin> probably a missing Conflicts: gnome-themes-standard-data (<< 3.14.0)
[12:38] <mgedmin> (or something like that, I'm not an expert)
[12:40] <mgedmin> workaround: run apt full-upgrade again
[13:16] <ricotz> mgedmin, added the missing conflict
[13:30] <ricotz> darkxst, copied the utopic pocket of gnome3-staging to its vivid pocket
[14:08] <LinDol> hi all
[14:24] <mgedmin> thanks, ricotz!
[14:24] <mgedmin> so, gnome 3.14 from the staging ppa
[14:25] <mgedmin> I see some rough edges
[14:25] <mgedmin> window shadows of apps that use client-side decorations are wrong: http://i.imgur.com/nyahSqS.png
[14:27] <mgedmin> nautilus segfaulted while I was resizing it
[14:28] <mgedmin> apport-gtk (1) didn't paint the gtktreeview fully until I clicked on it, then (2) didn't draw the expander arrows, and (3) segfaulted when I took its screenshot with alt-printscreen
[14:32] <mgedmin> random apps segfault in 0x0
[14:33] <mgedmin> in gtk_grab_notify_foreach()
[14:37]  * mgedmin files https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1385315 for one such crash
[15:27] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i'm seeing a problem with deja-dup (or the default backup utility) as of 14.10...whereas before it pretty much worked as expected, now trying to launch deja-dup or "Backups" from System Settings causes gnome-control-center to silently crash (general protection fault)...has anyone else had a similar problem, or is there a known bug I can post to?
[15:56] <mgedmin> I can reproduce
[15:57] <arthurfiggis> mgedmin: ahh..well it's not just me, on the other hand it's a rather big problem if you used deja-dup to backup your files on the previous release :( i don't see anything on launchpad yet, if i get the chance i'll make an account later and post a bug...or if someone else does before me, I'll try to add onto it
[16:08] <Anythingdontmatt> Hi, I am new to linux and i have a issue with gnome. I think the issue have to do something with font as in dashboard when i search an app with characters 's' and 'c' in app name. These characters are replaced by something like "~". Screenshot http://imgur.com/yEdHsMF
[16:11] <Anythingdontmatt> ?
[16:14] <the7thsin> hello someone there
[16:15] <mgedmin> apport seems to silently drop about two thirds of the crashes I'm trying to report
[16:15] <the7thsin> How does one disable gnome color manager :}
[16:15] <mgedmin> Anythingdontmatt, most likely video driver's fault
[16:16] <mgedmin> I've seen this kind of font corruption on a couple of my machines, both with intel video -- but long ago
[16:17] <Anythingdontmatt> mgedmin: I have nvidia graphic card and this is the first time i have encountered this issue. The graphics card drivers are installed 2-3 days ago and working fine.
[16:18] <arthurfiggis> Anythingdontmatt: yes, as mgedmin mentioned, what type of video chipset you're using and the driver's you're using for it would be helpful...e.g. if you're using nVidia whether or not you're using the nouveau drivers, the official drivers from the repo's and what version, etc. :) i can't say i've ever seen something like that myself so i'm not too sure what could cause it
[16:18] <Anythingdontmatt> i have nvidia gt 435m with nvidia binary updated drivers.
[16:18] <mgedmin> I'm not qualified to debug that, and I don't remember what my workaround was
[16:18] <mgedmin> reboot?  suspend and resume?
[16:19] <mgedmin> I seem to remember that usually things would work fine but some fonts would get corrupted sometimes after I suspended and resumed
[16:19] <mgedmin> maybe even logging out and logging in helped -- I honestly don't remember :/
[16:19] <Anythingdontmatt> i will try to log out. Brb.
[16:20] <the7thsin> so about my question does anyone have any idea
[16:22] <Anythingdontmatt> Issue fixed. Thanks for help.
[16:22] <arthurfiggis> Anythingdontmatt: what was it out of curiousity? i've seen wonky behaviour with bad drivers before but that was a bit weird :)
[16:23] <mgedmin> the7thsin, I do not understand it, TBH
[16:23] <arthurfiggis> mgedmin: i was about to say the same thing, i haven't been able to find a gnome color manager yet to disable :)
[16:24] <the7thsin> mgedmin, ok thats bad for me
[16:24] <Anythingdontmatt> I don't know. I just turned on ubuntu gnome and got these faulty fonts. Looks like graphic driver issue but got fixed after logging out and logging in again.
[16:24] <arthurfiggis> ahh, here we go, from apt-cache show gnome-color-manager: http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-color-manager/
[16:24] <mgedmin> there's a cache of rendered font glyphs, and sometimes it gets corrupted
[16:25] <the7thsin> mgedmin, maybe you can suggest something after i tell you what is happening
[16:25] <the7thsin> ?
[16:25] <mgedmin> restarting your session makes the programs create a new cache and re-render the glyphs
[16:25] <mgedmin> so you get good fonts, until they get corrupted again
[16:25] <mgedmin> it'd be awesome if somebody could root cause this...
[16:25] <mgedmin> the7thsin, please do
[16:25] <arthurfiggis> the7thsin: i could recommend how to remove gnome-color-manager entirely but that also removes the ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta package and might cause other unwanted behaviour...so more information might help sure
[16:26] <Anythingdontmatt> and then i have to restart again hehe :)
[16:26] <the7thsin> ok
[16:26] <the7thsin> cool
[16:26] <the7thsin> so
[16:26] <mgedmin> Anythingdontmatt, maybe restarting the affected app is enough?  you can restart gnome-shell with Alt-F2 r, without closing all the other apps
[16:26] <arthurfiggis> Anythingdontmatt: when all else fails bang on it, it's worked since record players :P
[16:27] <Anythingdontmatt> alt+f2 open a dialog for running command
[16:28] <Anythingdontmatt> ah got it thanks.
[16:30] <the7thsin> mgedmin, I got a nice IPS panel and I wanted to correct the colors (manually) from the system since working with the display sucks, so I installed the nvidia drivers 340.46 and manipulated the signal so that the monitor will show the colors just the right way. BUT as soon as I restart the computer gnome color manager resets my settings on login and i need to open the terminal every time and type nvidia-settings -l (to load the config file)
[16:31] <mgedmin> I see!
[16:31] <the7thsin> also i have a script running on startup to execute the command
[16:31] <mgedmin> yeah, that would be annoying
[16:31] <the7thsin> but still it overwrites it
[16:32] <mgedmin> I would try to capture the profile from nvidia-settings and feed it to gnome-color-manager, so you wouldn't have to write custom scripts for that
[16:32] <the7thsin> wooo that would be stellar
[16:32] <mgedmin> otherwise, hm, let me think... upstart user sessions, right?  there's probably a gnome-color-manager upstart file somewhere
[16:32] <the7thsin> yeah i guess
[16:33] <the7thsin> im running gnomeubuntu 14.04
[16:33] <mgedmin> nope
[16:33] <mgedmin> it's probably started directly by gnome-session then?
[16:33] <the7thsin> how do i check
[16:33] <mgedmin> I'm not sure
[16:34] <the7thsin> bummer
[16:35] <mgedmin> gnome-color-manager depends on colord
[16:35] <mgedmin> how are the two related?
[16:35] <mgedmin> yeah, this need googling
[16:35] <mgedmin> ok, new approach: gnome-control-center -> Colors
[16:35] <mgedmin> maybe there's something about "don't touch my monitor please"?
[16:35] <the7thsin> yeah as soon as I try to uninstall it it wants to uninstall ubuntu-gnome desktop
[16:36] <the7thsin> nope
[16:36] <mgedmin> there are on/off buttons next to each device
[16:36] <the7thsin> i can add a profile but scince they didn't make it so you can touch manually i cant do antthing
[16:37] <the7thsin> just says uncalibrated
[16:38] <mgedmin> the7thsin, http://imgur.com/eMQ4wfj
[16:38] <the7thsin> i dont have that
[16:38] <the7thsin> let me show you
[16:40] <the7thsin> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7304009/Screenshot%20NEW%20copy.png
[16:43] <arthurfiggis> hmm...i know in my case once i installed the official "stable" nvidia drivers, an entry was added to "startup applications" that automatically loaded any configuration that i'd created with nvidia-settings :) strange that it wouldn't be automatically loaded in your case as well
[16:43] <the7thsin> arthurfiggis, it is loaded but then the color manager overwrites it :D
[16:44] <the7thsin> mgedmin, can you see the image
[16:45] <mgedmin> ooh right I have the gnome3 ppa
[16:45] <the7thsin> can i install the gnome 3 ppa?
[16:46] <mgedmin> if you want
[16:46] <mgedmin> it has bits of gnome 3.12 that didn't make it into the official ubuntu archive
[16:46] <the7thsin> well im using gnome 3.10
[16:46] <the7thsin> maybe i should upgrade
[16:46] <mgedmin> what ubuntu version are you on?
[16:47] <the7thsin> ubuntu 14.04
[16:47] <mgedmin> ah
[16:47] <mgedmin> I'm on 14.10 :D
[16:47] <mgedmin> so of course I assume everyone upgrades to the latest as soon as it's out :)
[16:47] <mgedmin> sorry
[16:47] <mgedmin> try gsettings org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.color active false
[16:47] <the7thsin> lol i need it stable
[16:47] <mgedmin> this should disable color management
[16:48] <the7thsin> in the terminal
[16:48] <the7thsin> ?
[16:48] <mgedmin> yes
[16:48] <the7thsin> and should i be superuser
[16:48] <the7thsin> admin*
[16:49] <mgedmin> no
[16:49] <mgedmin> it's a per-user setting
[16:49] <the7thsin> Unknown command org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.color
[16:50] <mgedmin> you dropped 'gsettings'
[16:50] <the7thsin> nope
[16:50] <mgedmin> no
[16:50] <mgedmin> I dropped set
[16:50] <mgedmin> sorry
[16:50] <the7thsin> :} ok
[16:50] <mgedmin> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.color active false
[16:51] <the7thsin> ok all is good so now do i restart?
[16:51] <the7thsin> or just relog
[16:52] <mgedmin> the usual way, I suppose
[16:52] <the7thsin> ok let me try and reboot
[16:53] <mgedmin> I can't speech becauser tired
[16:53] <the7thsin> ^^
[16:57] <the7thsin> mgedmin, great scot it works :D
[16:57] <the7thsin> that was weeks of searching on google and finding nothing
[16:58] <the7thsin> i rebooted a couple of times just in case and it works
[16:58] <the7thsin> Thank you very Fing much
[17:54] <l3on> what about include geary in gnome3-staging repo ?
[18:25] <evub> Hey everyone
[18:28] <evub> I have an issue with installing Ubuntu Gnome 14.10, regarding creation of encrypted partitions. Can anyone help?
[20:46] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, did you copy gnome3 also?
[20:47] <darkxst> seems not
[20:48] <ricotz> darkxst, not yet
[20:48] <ricotz> did now
[20:59] <darkxst> ok, thanks
[22:27] <darkxst> Noskcaj, http://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/vivid314.html
[22:28] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I'll work on it during the week, have to wait for syncs + xfce merges + stop being sick first
[22:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok


[06:57] <UbuntuUser> hello guys, I was wondering how to force all traffic on ubuntu touch through a vpn using the openvpn cli instead of the gui. I got it to connect and enabled ipv4 forwarding, yet its still not forwarding properly. Any advice?
[07:02] <UbuntuUser> I want to set it up so I can vpn to my network at home that has a mythbuntu box and try to stream through the vpn to my university
[08:15] <UbuntuUser> anyone here know much about VPN configuration? (Yes, I know its late and/or early)
[11:25] <UbuntuUser> anyone here know much about VPN configuration on ubuntutouch?
[11:26] <UbuntuUser> like why MPPE support isn't part of the kernel
[11:26] <UbuntuUser> and/or how to add it
[14:34] <dobey> UbuntuUser: i think the vpn configuration only supports OpenVPN currently
[17:30]  * javier4 Is there any patched wpa_supplicant to work with mediatek devices?
[17:47] <Andyuser54> Does anyone know how to port to a new device?
[17:47] <Andyuser54> Alcatel idol 4 6055U
[17:47] <Andyuser54> I want to develop for this device on Ubuntu touch
[21:13] <UbuntuUser> dobey: It does say it only supports openvpn but, the configuration won't allow me to connect to my VPN because of the encryption and other options. I tried the CLI and it will connect but, will not properly forward all traffic through it.
[21:14] <UbuntuUser> I kinda don't want to expose my mythtv box to the internet to stream stuff to my tablet, I'd just like to connect it to the VPN
[21:16] <UbuntuUser> any advice?
[21:39] <jm__> hi :) cqn anyone help, i have a remote desktop ubuntu server, and jd like to install the Touch desktop so its easier to use on my phone and tablet etc, but i cant find any straight forward answer about which packages to install? is it possible? (running 16.04LTS, with guacamole, would pref to stay with 16.04, for guacd, but its not essential...)
[22:18] <silentjack> quit
[22:19] <silentjack> wrong window lol
[22:19] <silentjack> not used irc for years, no idea if my prev question is visible?
[22:20] <silentjack> (asking anyone reading..)
[22:20] <k1l> no
[22:21] <k1l> and on irc you dont ask to ask :)
[22:37] <silentjack> is there another install page i can read? been searching for months for install instructions
[22:38] <k1l> there are some devices that are officially supported. for other devices you need to make a port first. some devices already have a port made from the community.
[22:39] <silentjack> i found instructions for arm devices, but i am hoping to install on a remote desktop x86/64
[22:55] <silentjack> are there only preinstl/live images atm? non that i could add to my sources to install just the desktop onto current system?
[22:56] <k1l> what device are you talking about? or do you mean a ubuntu desktop with a touch screen?
[22:58] <silentjack> a server that i use as a remote desktop via rdp and guacamole. touch would make it easier to use on mobile devices
[23:00] <silentjack> (vps node)
[23:01] <k1l> ubuntu-touch is the ubuntu for smartphones and tablets. if you look for servers or such better take a look at ubuntu snappy core
[23:04] <silentjack> its only a server in the sense that it serves my remote desktop
[23:05] <silentjack> xfce is fine for using on desktop, but i also like to acess via smartphone and tablet, which is why id like to install the touch deaktop


[00:33] <Awsoonn> bug 901770 I attached a pic of a KP stack trace, there is a function in the trace called "string.isra.3" I've found the 'string' fuction it's referencing but what does the  .isra.3 mean?
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 901770 in linux "Kernel Bug in bluetoothd?" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901770
[09:27] <apw> hggdh, yes it should, there is cirtianly postinst for it in later versions
[09:27] <apw> hggdh, it was a known issue with the initial versions that it did not
[09:43] <apw> ppisati, next time we do a ti-omap4 rebase we should include the changelog fragment from->to from the original tree.  there is a helper in the tree for this called insert-ubuntu-changes, which adds changlog information to your changelog if you have a startnewrelease already
[09:44] <apw> ppisati, ./debian/scripts/misc/insert-ubuntu-changes debian.ti-omap4 Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.8 Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.9
[09:44] <apw> ppisati, in theory that puts the right stuff in, its broken it seems, will fix
[09:49] <apw> ppisati, ahh me being dense.  So it takes a changelog of course ...
[09:49] <apw> ./debian/scripts/misc/insert-ubuntu-changes debian.ti-omap4/changelog Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.7 Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.8
[09:49] <apw> +  [ Ubuntu: 3.2.0-3.8 ]
[09:49] <apw> +
[09:49] <apw> +  * armhf -- add d-i configuration
[09:49] <apw> +  * armhf -- disable ABI checks for armhf
[09:49] <apw> +  * armhf -- add arch to getabis config
[09:50] <apw> ppisati, so it does something like that, which you then can commit as 'UBUNTU: rebase to Ubuntu-3.2.0-3.8' or whatever
[09:50] <apw> that way the derivative branch contains hints as to the real changes coming over
[09:50] <apw> and also any bug numbers that were fixed in the master branch too
[09:51] <apw> ppisati, make sense ?
[09:55] <ppisati> uhm, nice, didn't know about it
[09:56] <apw> ppisati, yeah my fault should have mentioned it before, we use it on like -ec2
[09:58] <apw> ppisati, and it copes with more than one version, so if you rebase forward 4 versions just put the old and new base versions and it will insert multiple sections
[09:58] <apw> smb, any idea if the use of ubuntu-insert-revisions is documented anywhere?
[09:59] <ppisati> friday off, he is not here i think
[09:59] <apw> ahh good point
[12:21] <vanhoof> oooh
[12:21] <vanhoof> new kernel fun :)
[12:21]  * vanhoof installs 3.2.0-1402.2
[12:26] <vanhoof> ppisati: apw: that's published now right?
[12:37] <ppisati> yep
[12:42] <vanhoof> ppisati: \o/
[12:42] <vanhoof> vanhoof@panda:~$ cat /proc/version_signature
[12:42] <vanhoof> Ubuntu 3.2.0-1402.2-omap4 3.2.0-rc4
[12:42] <vanhoof> heyoooo
[12:42] <vanhoof> it booted :D
[12:44] <ogra_> why wouldnt it :)
[12:44] <ogra_> we are professionals, you know *g*
[12:44] <vanhoof> i have serious paranoia problems with this board :)
[12:44] <ogra_> now try armhf :)
[12:44] <vanhoof> it's been through a lot :)
[12:46] <vanhoof> ogra_: it was broken for 6 months :)
[12:46] <ogra_> huh ? what was the bug ?
[12:46] <vanhoof> ogra_: haha
[12:46] <vanhoof> ogra_: tornado
[12:46] <vanhoof> http://ubuntuone.com/3I34mVXLaXZDUEGUeN9l1P
[12:46] <ogra_> oh indeed :)
[12:47] <vanhoof> hdmi is hosed on it (no signal)
[12:47] <vanhoof> but serial works
[12:47] <vanhoof> and jk- recommended putting it in the dish washer
[12:47] <ogra_> ah, then you are one of our server image users :)
[12:47] <vanhoof> and what'dya know
[12:47] <vanhoof> it works again :)
[12:47] <vanhoof> yup
[12:47] <ogra_> haha
[12:47] <vanhoof> figured i'd make some use of it
[12:47] <ogra_> awesome
[13:02] <apw> vanhoof, the hdmi works now?  or the board boots now
[13:02] <vanhoof> apw: board boots
[13:02] <vanhoof> still no hdmi
[13:03] <apw> heh that is something i guess
[13:04] <vanhoof> yeah :)
[13:04] <vanhoof> better than a cool looking paper weight
[13:19] <alkisg> Hi, does this screenshot look like it can be caused by a corrupted ext4 filesystem? http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4145.0;attach=2676;image
[13:19] <alkisg> It does that when the teacher runs "mksquashfs"
[13:20] <vanhoof> ogra_: n00b in this space
[13:20] <vanhoof> ogra_: but a quick q
[13:21] <vanhoof> ogra_: would like to add a bit more disk space, any recommendations on what's the best fit, short of a usb device?
[13:21] <vanhoof> (if you have a sec)
[13:22] <ogra_> well, a bigger SD then ...
[13:22] <ogra_> you only have these two options
[13:22] <vanhoof> ogra_: best route then?
[13:22]  * vanhoof has a 4gb sdhc card presently
[13:22] <ogra_> Sd is indeed slower than USB
[13:23] <ogra_> i would keep the 4G and have a build chroot on a USB disk (for speed)
[13:23] <ogra_> beyond that 4G should suffice for smaller stuff indeed, especially if you use the server image
[13:24] <vanhoof> yeah server image, but have abused a bit of the free space with some local builds :)
[13:24] <ogra_> (you can delete the package pool on the server image (see sources.list.d) that will give you a lot extra space)
[13:25] <ogra_> we shipe quite a big archive inside the image (so you can install server packages without needing network)
[13:25] <ogra_> *ship
[13:27] <vanhoof> oh yeah
[13:27] <vanhoof> root@panda:/var/lib/preinstalled-pool# du -shc /var/lib/preinstalled-pool/
[13:27] <vanhoof> 441M    /var/lib/preinstalled-pool/
[13:27] <vanhoof> 441M    total
[13:27] <vanhoof> ogra++ thanks for the tip
[13:28] <ogra_> :)
[15:27]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:32] <Wipster> I have found that if I disable dma with the boot option libata.dma=0 I cant access my harddrive and get READ MULTIPLE errors in dmesg, this relates to bug #897777
[16:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 897777 in linux "DMA bug with ICH7-M" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897777
[16:33] <Wipster> Unless thats not how to disable dma, looks like the problem is somewhere else?
[17:17] <brendand> jsalisbury - hi
[17:23] <jsalisbury> brendand, hello
[17:37] <mfisch> is there a way to tell if a what parts of kernel firmware are being used at runtime?  something like lsmod for kernel-firmware...?
[17:41] <tgardner> mfisch, there is generally something in dmesg, though it may be driver specific. You can also look in the udev logs
[17:41] <mfisch> tgardner: yeah I knew about the logs.  sounds like that's the only option
[17:42] <tgardner> mfisch, what device ?
[17:42] <mfisch> tgardner: this is a general purpose question, no specific device problems
[17:47]  * ppisati -> eod
[18:48] <sbeattie> bjf: you should have new mail.
[18:49] <bjf> sbeattie: thanks, i signed yours, you won't get email :-) (not using caff yet)
[18:49] <sbeattie> bjf: no worries, thanks.
[19:08] <arges> tgardner, are there flags I can pass to the kernel to provide more verbose wifi/iwlagn messages?
[19:09] <tgardner> arges, dunno, I haven't been at that level in awhile.
[19:09] <tgardner> have you created the bug report yet ?
[19:09] <arges> tgardner, trying to make sure it isn't user error first
[19:10] <wamty> has 'CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES' been removed from recent (3.0.x) kernels?
[19:10] <tgardner> wamty, its not in 3.0.x
[19:11] <wamty> hmmmm
[19:11]  * tgardner -> lunch
[19:12] <wamty> BenC
[19:12] <wamty> has 'CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES' been removed from recent (3.0.x) kernels?
[19:17] <infinity> wamty: Someone else already answered.
[19:17] <kees> wamty: yup
[19:18] <wamty> but why removed?
[19:18] <wamty> caps are the default module i think
[19:18] <kees> wamty: correct. it's no longer optional. :)
[19:18] <kees> i.e. no config, because it's always there.
[19:23] <arges> tgardner, wow so not only does it disconnect me in n-mode wifi in 3.0.0-12 , but the router goes into a bad state that requires a reset (even wired connection to it doesn't work). For some reason 3.0.0-14, 3.2 seem to work for me in n-mode. now i want to make sure this isn't a router issue, I'm going to check for firmware upgrades.
[19:25] <wamty> i can log -p security/Kconfig to get the IDs of interesting pieces
[19:25] <wamty> i guess
[19:45] <tgardner> arges, thats a good trick borking your AP
[19:46] <arges> tgardner, yea there is a firmware upgrade so i'm trying that first
[19:58]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:30] <arges> tgardner, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708747 this could be related to my issue
[20:30] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 708747 in kernel "Extremely slow network with Intel "Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300" (iwlagn) after upgrade from Fedora 14" [High,Closed: errata]
[20:30] <arges> trying to figure out why it was marked errata
[20:33] <tgardner> arges, its possibly related
[20:37] <tgardner> arges, you gonna try https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=519535&action=diff ?
[20:37] <wamty> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
[20:38] <arges> tgardner, i can
[20:38] <wamty> what do i do?
[20:47]  * herton -> eow
[21:35] <arges> tgardner, ok, been looking at this further. I only see this weird n-wireless router behavior in 3.0.0-12 and not  in 3.0.0-13.15 or 3.2.0 or even 2.6.38/natty.
[21:42] <tgardner> arges, glp Ubuntu-3.0.0-12.20..HEAD -- drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/
[21:42] <tgardner> 0a443e57caa1e18b16136e75ce0dc44b14c4c967 iwlagn: do not use interruptible waits
[21:42] <tgardner> 5b483fbe23b7264976c5db37e74cca3fd33ed3b0 iwlagn: fix dangling scan request
[21:42] <tgardner> 59f53ce22e0166ac046b63f73193f233b1d3a1b0 iwlagn: workaround bug crashing some APs
[21:42] <tgardner> 2d8483fafb989e81b1084476110499a8611b0ca6 iwlagn: fix command queue timeout
[21:43] <arges> tgardner, ok thanks. looks like im not reproducing the original issue I was trying to reproduce then!
[21:57]  * tgardner -> EOW


[08:27] <OSryx> Hi
[08:27] <OSryx> please what do the 'motu" stands for ?
[08:27] <OSryx> in the channel name
[10:15] <fnatter> hello #ubuntu-motu!
[10:15] <fnatter> continuing the discussion from yesterday
[10:15] <fnatter> freeplane in Ubuntu 16.10 is broken due to a broken knopflerfish-osgi 5.2.0-1 update
[10:16] <fnatter> hence I would like to propose a SRU with the Debian change from knopflerfish-osgi-5.2.0-1 to 5.2.0-2
[10:21] <fnatter> https://paste.debian.net/888874/
[10:21] <fnatter> could someone please check the changelog entry (paste above)?
[10:51] <fnatter> I am away for a few hours. Please post the reply here (or write to fnatter@gmx.net). Thank you!
[16:21] <fnatter> Since there were no responses, I uploaded the debdiff with the proposed changelog:
[16:21] <fnatter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeplane/+bug/1631361


[00:08] <soee> spead teh word about Alpha 1 through social media
[00:34] <mparillo> soee: It hit distrowatch:http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08742
[00:35] <soee> nice :)
[01:37] <mparillo> soee: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg2ODE
[05:59] <bukai_> ovidiu-florin: ping
[06:19] <bukai_> yofel: ping
[07:04] <ovidiu-florin> bukai_ pong
[07:04] <ovidiu-florin> but bukai is not here....
[08:51] <kranzer> Riddell: hello, are you here?
[08:54]  * Mirv succesfully runs KDE5 with Qt 5.4.0 with vivid + https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-005
[08:54] <Mirv> seems alright
[08:56] <sitter> やった!
[08:56] <sitter> also
[08:56] <sitter> s/KDE/Plasma :P
[08:56] <Mirv> sorry, I realized my mistake after writing it :)
[08:56] <sitter> ^^
[08:58] <Mirv> after all 5.5.0 packages migrated to release pocket, it was just a matter of updating those symbols in plasma-framework
[08:58] <Mirv> I threw kdelibs4support into the mix too then
[09:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:20] <apparle> Hi guys, is there some guide/documentation on setting up a development environment for KDE projects ? The IDE, test environment etc ?
[10:21] <valorie> yes, the KDE developers guide is available
[10:22] <valorie> http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/
[10:22] <apparle> thanks!
[10:22] <valorie> there should be a button to download it as an ePub file too
[10:24] <apparle> As a general question, would need to move to latest and greatest version of KDE, or can I can still develop/test new things on old version of KDE ?
[10:30] <valorie> that depends on what you want to do
[10:31] <apparle> ok, let me go through the guide. I guess I'll get a rough idea by the end of it.
[10:36] <valorie> sure
[10:36] <valorie> mostly if you want to work on frameworks (libraries) you'll need the latest
[10:36] <valorie> if plasma, latest plasma
[10:36] <valorie> one of the applications, latest of that
[10:37] <valorie> which is easily built from git btw
[10:37] <Riddell> hola
[10:38] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: hi :)
[10:41] <kranzer> Riddell: hi)
[10:56] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: oh I didn't assign your task, still wanting to fix icon sizes?
[10:57] <kfunk> no 'appstream-util' available for 14.10 yet? *sniff*
[10:57] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: yep, I think I done it already
[10:58] <Riddell> kfunk: appstream-index not good enough?
[10:58] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5818543610265600 assigned
[10:58] <kfunk> it's apparently giving less warnings when validating stuff with that one
[11:00] <EgorMatirov> Riddell:  thanks, needs review
[11:01] <kfunk> anyway, installed it from vivid
[11:01] <kfunk> indeed. that one's more verbose
[11:02] <Riddell> kranzer: "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/1372920 --- no problem at all" why do you say no problem, when I look in vivid the problem is still there
[11:03] <kranzer> Riddell: I couldn't reproduce that bug on my vivid
[11:03] <Riddell> kranzer: what did you do to try?
[11:04] <Riddell> ldd /usr/lib/kde4/kipiplugin_imgurexport.so | grep oa   says not found
[11:04] <Riddell> kranzer: what don't you understand with bug 940924 ?
[11:04] <kranzer> Riddell: in my case it shows nothing
[11:04] <Riddell> oh probably you have it installed
[11:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all, kf5 is broken in this lovely morning
[11:05] <kranzer> Riddell: what? kipi-plugins or keyboard layout?
[11:05] <_Groo_> plasmashell doesnt start because of solid not being 5.4.0 ready
[11:05] <_Groo_> and i cant do a clean ujpdate
[11:05] <_Groo_> update
[11:05] <_Groo_> https://billing.boacompra.com/checkout.php?confirm&sid=hhr9826jnum3bbmeeslb2rg5u2
[11:05] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NrnGsICO
[11:05] <_Groo_> ignore the first url
[11:05] <_Groo_> wrong window :P
[11:06] <_Groo_> the second is correct though
[11:06] <sitter> Broken qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin:amd64 Depends on qtbase-abi-5-3-0 [ amd64 ] < none > ( none )
[11:06] <sitter> not supported
[11:07] <Riddell> kranzer: for kipi-plugins you probably already have libqoauth installed
[11:07] <Riddell> kranzer: you say "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154535 --- it is already fixed" but three lines above you say "1154535 --- the same problem as described"
[11:09] <kranzer> Riddell: sorry, it is my bad attention
[11:09] <kranzer> Riddell: ignore it
[11:10] <kranzer> Riddell: it is fixed
[11:12] <kranzer> Riddell: ohhhh very confusing
[11:13] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me a link to bugs again?
[11:13] <Riddell> kranzer: qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[11:14] <Riddell> kranzer: what don't you understand about bug 1350855 ?
[11:14] <kranzer> Riddell: everything
[11:16] <Riddell> kranzer: in ubiquity change the language and go to manual partitioner, then quit and start it again, select a different language go to manual partitioner, what language does it use?
[11:17] <kranzer> Riddell: ahh sorry, I did this, shows the same problem
[11:17] <Riddell> kranzer: are you able to nominate it for vivid?
[11:18] <kranzer> Riddell: nope. I don't know why
[11:19] <kranzer> Riddell: I uploaded new version of file
[11:19] <Riddell> kranzer: you miss bug 1316563
[11:20] <kranzer> Riddell: that's the one fixed
[11:20] <Riddell> groovy, just sitter being slack with the bugs then
[11:21] <kranzer> Riddell: I wrote 1154535 again instead of 1316563
[11:21] <Riddell> kranzer: so only bug 1350855 to triage, you can ask Mamarok for details on that
[11:21] <Riddell> "Keyboard Layout "German (qwerty)" missing since 12.04"
[11:22] <kranzer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1350855 this bug is written in my new version of file
[11:23] <kranzer> Riddell: "Keyboard Layout "German (qwerty)" missing since 12.04" I don't really know what to do with this
[11:24] <Riddell> kranzer: well open up the keyboard dialogue and check if it's there, ask Mamarok if you're unsure
[11:24] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: what's your e-mail?
[11:25] <EgorMatirov> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:26] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: pushing http://commits.kde.org/bomber/b46b12f04cef627a26f36db5e4e01db347d35c89
[11:26] <kranzer> Riddell: I found that file in system
[11:27] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ok, thank you
[11:27] <kranzer> Riddell: is that bug about missing a file?
[11:28] <Riddell> kranzer: no I think it's about missing an entry in a file
[11:29] <kranzer> Riddel: what entry?
[11:30] <Riddell> kranzer: "German (qwerty)"
[11:31] <kranzer> Riddell: so, I need to find this in that file, don't I?
[11:35] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-15-04-Alpha-1-Is-the-Biggest-Update-in-Years-Feature-Plasma-5-by-Default-467927.shtml
[11:43] <sitter> Riddell: I don't think they are fixed
[11:43] <sitter> mind the version
[11:43] <sitter> 15.04 is blocked on debconf and 14.04 probably didn't have the fixes
[11:43] <sitter> also in next ppa we have a snapshot
[11:44] <sitter> so as I said, they are probably not fixed
[11:44] <Riddell> hmm fooey
[11:45] <Riddell> "This major upgrade has just turned Kubuntu into something that you must try." :)
[11:45] <Riddell> soee: cool :)
[11:50] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: commited! but there's a few that didn't look very neat and need tidied up listed at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5818543610265600
[11:52] <Riddell> sitter, kranzer: reopened bug 1316563
[11:53] <kranzer> Riddell: I found "German (qwerty)"
[11:55] <kranzer> Riddell: I submitted the third version of my file
[11:58] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: oh, thank you. My fault, I'll fix them now
[11:58] <Riddell> hi Sergobot, how's calligra?
[11:59] <Sergobot> Hello, Riddell, I just came home :)
[11:59] <kranzer> Riddell: can you review that file?
[12:03] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[12:04] <Riddell> hi bukai
[12:04] <Riddell> kranzer: what's new?
[12:05] <kranzer> Riddell: as I said before: I found "German (qwerty)"
[12:06] <bukai> Riddell: I have set up my theme but the pages are missing so i guess i have to create them agaiin :(
[12:06] <Riddell> kranzer: where did you find it?
[12:07] <kranzer> Riddell: in the file it has to be
[12:08] <Riddell> kranzer: great
[12:09] <Riddell> Mamarok: bug 940924 closing
[12:09] <Riddell> kranzer: groovy, task closed!
[12:10] <kranzer> Riddell: thank you very much
[12:12]  * Riddell opens http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5876831685181440 "Blog article for Kubuntu Wire"
[12:14] <soee> hmm still there is a poblem - if i have some apps opened etc. i do logout, than after login plasmashell does not start
[12:23] <bukai> Riddell: what can I change the permission somehow to make changes from the browser?
[12:24] <Riddell> bukai: I don't understand your question
[12:25] <bukai> Riddell: I have set up my wordpress theme and its active but If I want to make some changes I cannot do it from the browser which I was able to do when it was on my local machine
[12:26] <_Groo_> ridell can i just throw away appmenu-qt5 checkbox-gui kubuntu-driver-manager kubuntu-notification-helper liboxideqt-qmlplugin liboxideqtquick0 libqt5organizer5 libunity-webapps0 python3-pyqt5 qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin
[12:26] <_Groo_>   qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-web-plugin ubuntu-desktop unity-webapps-common unity-webapps-qml unity-webapps-service webapp-container webbrowser-app xul-ext-unity xul-ext-websites-integration
[12:26] <_Groo_> oops
[12:26] <_Groo_> sorry about that
[12:26] <_Groo_> anyway
[12:27] <_Groo_> this qtdeclarative is glue for unity right? can i remove it with a dist-upgrade and wait for an update or will it break kf5?
[12:27] <Riddell> bukai: presumably you need to log in
[12:27] <bukai> So now If i have to make a change i have to change the file from the server directly and not from the server
[12:27] <bukai> I am logged in
[12:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: kubuntu doesn't need those qtdeclarative packages indeed
[12:28] <bukai> but still I cannot make a change ! In the dash board there is no option to update the file
[12:30] <Riddell> I'm not sure what you mean, editing files usually isn't done through a web browser
[12:30] <Riddell> you can use kate to edit files on the server using sftp://
[12:34] <bukai> ok. but when i installed on a vps live server then that update option was coming! Anyway I will change it from the server :)
[12:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: but it will break multi login with unity?
[12:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: but you lose kubuntu-driver-manager kubuntu-notification-helper , which are kubuntu only packages, correct?
[12:46] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5818543610265600 is updated.
[12:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: they should probably be kept
[12:55] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: kdepim ox22-actions-checkmark.png still looks a bit corrupted
[12:56] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: there shouldn't be any need to edit the pixels there, just make the canvas larger
[13:02] <EgorMatirov> Riddell:  I didn't edited pixels in checkmark.png (I have downloaded it right now from git again and have compared with my edited version)
[13:09] <Riddell> hmm
[13:10] <Riddell> now this article has a classic photo http://www.itworld.com/article/2852324/ready-to-give-linux-a-try-these-are-the-5-distros-you-need-to-consider.html page 4 of 6 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/197548353/
[13:14] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: the version I have is definately slightly different and looks worse, can you send it again?
[13:20] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: oh, I got it. Looks like gimp has some problems with original image (there is not "a bit transparent" pixels). I'll try another editor then
[13:21] <Riddell> krita or even kolourpaint should work
[13:24] <BluesKaj_> Hi all
[13:26] <sitter> kubotu: order cookies, xmas
[13:26]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to sitter and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[13:26] <sitter> how lude
[13:31] <_Groo_> which group is responsible for kubuntu-driver-manager, etc?
[13:36] <Riddell> _Groo_: kubuntu is :)
[13:36] <Riddell> sitter: have some shortbread and irn bru
[13:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: are those in main? universe? cause they will need to be recompiled and /or patched and sent to kubuntu-ci
[13:38] <_Groo_> i want my kf5 back :(
[13:39] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: updated. (edited with krita)
[13:41] <sitter> Riddell: pft, I think I'll go to a sushi bar and get drunk on 清酒 instead
[13:43] <Riddell> new wallpaper is a bit trippy https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/breeze/repository/revisions/master/show/wallpapers/Next/contents/images
[15:00] <BluesKaj> anyone working on this bug, http://download.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml page failed, when trying to DL new schemes
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:02] <Riddell> possibly not, opendesktop is unmaintained
[15:02] <Riddell> bodega is expected to be the successsor if someone works on it
[15:04] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: just for case if you didn't saw that message: [17:39] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: updated. (edited with krita)
[15:05] <BluesKaj> ok thanks Riddell , bodega?
[15:12] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: committed
[15:13] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: groovy, added a comment with some which you may have missed
[15:32] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you halp me?
[15:32] <Sergobot> *help
[15:32] <Riddell> Sergobot: yo what's up?
[15:34] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: most of them are already fixed. libkdepim4 (AFAIK) is kdepim which I fixed too.
[15:35] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: I commented on Melange
[15:36] <Sergobot> Riddell: no ackages are built
[15:36] <Sergobot> *packages
[15:37] <Riddell> Sergobot: it doesn't finish the compile because the kritalutdocker.so file isn't made for some reason
[15:37] <Riddell> Sergobot: kritalutdocker.so is only made on i386 and amd64 so it gets installed in special rules in debian/rules
[15:37] <Riddell> Sergobot: I'm not sure why it's not being made on the server, comment out the lines in debian/rules and run  debuild -nc
[15:38] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: great, closed!  well done
[15:38] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: thank you :)
[15:55] <Sergobot> Riddell: Could you help me?
[15:56] <Riddell> Sergobot: yo what's up?
[15:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: now you need to add new files to the .install files
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: you can list files which are not in .install files with  dh_install --list-missing 2>&1
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: but many are not installed for a reason, they are listed in debian/not-installed
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: you need to work out which ones are new and need installed and what .install file to add them to
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: some like libkoversion.so.14 will be just new version numbers on the old filename
[16:21] <Sergobot> Riddell: help me please
[16:31] <Riddell> hi Sergobot
[16:31] <Riddell> "couldn't find library libkoversion.so.14"
[16:31] <Riddell> Sergobot: that needs added to a .install file
[16:32] <Riddell> Sergobot: libkoversion.so.14 looks like it's a new library that's used by all of calligra, add it to calligra-libs.install
[16:35] <Riddell> Sergobot: add the .so to not-installed
[16:35] <Riddell> Sergobot: run dh_install --list-missing  to see what's left
[16:50] <Sergobot> Riddell: It built!
[16:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: awooga!
[16:51] <Riddell> Sergobot: but are you sure there's no new files?
[16:51] <joern> hi, I want to report a bug in 15.04, but I'm not sure against which package it should be reported. it is affecting one of the bundled Plasmoids (are they still called Plasmoids in Plasma Next?)
[16:52] <Riddell> maybe plasmoids, maybe plasma widgets
[16:52] <Riddell> joern: anyway what's up?
[16:54] <joern> I got a new testing machine (2008ish notebook) and installed 15.04's alpha on it
[16:54] <joern> I added that plasmoid "System load", but it didn't show anything but a generic icon
[16:55] <joern> hovering with the mouse, there was a error message that org.kde.kio module was not installed
[16:55] <joern> that could be fixed by installing qml-module-org-kde-kio
[16:56] <joern> so I guess that package should be a dependency or at least in recommends of the desktop or something
[16:57] <Riddell> that's part of plasma-widgets-addons
[16:57] <Sergobot> Riddell: why doesn't it install?
[16:57] <Riddell> and it should depend on qml-module-org-kde-kio
[16:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: try   apt -f install  (dpkg has no intelligence about order of installing)
[16:58] <joern> sounds reasonable, thank you Riddell
[16:59] <Riddell> joern: it does depend on qml-module-org-kde-kio, do you have that installed?
[16:59] <Riddell> joern: pastebin  apt-cache policy qml-module-org-kde-kio; apt-cache policy plasma-widgets-addons; apt-cache show plasma-widgets-addons
[17:06] <joern> according to this:
[17:06] <joern> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widgets-addons
[17:06] <joern> it's not a dependency
[17:07] <joern> now, I have qml-module-org-kde-kio installed, but it was not after doing the installation
[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: hi
[17:09] <joern> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9571464/
[17:09] <joern> @ Riddell
[17:09] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[17:10] <kranzer> Riddell: are there any new tasks?
[17:11] <Riddell> joern: spooky, there's no 5.1.2 version of kdeplasma-addons in the archive but there should be  :(
[17:11] <Riddell> kranzer: two just got published I think
[17:11] <kranzer> Riddell: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5822613091778560 claimed
[17:12] <Riddell> kranzer: but I'm going out in 30 mins for a few hours so I can't help too much
[17:12] <Riddell> kranzer: you know how to update packages?
[17:12] <Riddell> oh and maybe sitter will be around, or maybe he's getting drunk on saki
[17:12] <joern> okay, I'll go watch TV now. have a nice day/evening/night!
[17:13] <kranzer> Riddell: updating?
[17:13] <kranzer> Riddell: can you give me some docs about it?
[17:17] <Riddell> kranzer: you've done a .deb package with me before?
[17:17] <kranzer> yep
[17:19] <Riddell> kranzer: so grab the current package source from launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[17:19] <Riddell> and grab the new upstream tar
[17:19] <Riddell> and  dch  to update the changelog
[17:19] <Riddell> then build and see what breaks
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kcm-driver-manager doesn't want to build for me :(
[17:20] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:20] <shadeslayer> compile error?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> sitter probably broke it :P
[17:21] <kranzer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/meow/ its current, right?
[17:22] <Riddell> kranzer: that's the new ones
[17:23] <kranzer> Riddell: could you give me full links to current
[17:23] <kranzer> ?
[17:23] <Riddell> kranzer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/about-distro
[17:23] <Riddell> copy the URL of the .dsc and run dget on it to download
[17:24] <Riddell> you probably need to update all the build-depends to kf5 libraries and qt5 dev libraries
[17:24] <kranzer> gpg: keyblock resource `/home/kranzer/.gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error gpg: Signature made пт, 28-лют-2014 12:56:44 +0200 EET using DSA key ID 72F23991 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Validation FAILED!!
[17:25] <Riddell> kranzer: that's good it means it compiled (but it can't find a matching gpg key which is fine no need to gpg sign it unless you're uploading)
[17:26] <Sergobot> Riddell: build failed :(
[17:26] <kranzer> Riddell: where to find it on my hdd?
[17:30] <Riddell> Sergobot: running debuild -nc doesn't make it rebuild the .debs if they are already made, for that you need to manually remove the foo.debhelper.log file and remove debian/packagename/
[17:32] <Riddell> kranzer: find what?
[17:32] <kranzer> Riddell: that packages
[17:32] <Riddell> kranzer: after the build the .deb files are in the directory above  cd ..
[17:32] <kranzer> Riddell: which I got by dget
[17:33] <Riddell> kranzer: then that'll get the source files
[17:33] <Riddell> into the current directory
[17:36] <Riddell> Sergobot: looks like there's lots of new files that need to be added to .install files
[17:36] <Riddell> Sergobot: and probably a new package needed for the calligragemini stuff
[17:36]  * Riddell out
[18:21] <Sergobot> Riddell: are you here?
[18:31] <kranzer> Sergobot: он отошёл на несколько часов
[18:31] <Sergobot> kranzer: Please speak English here :)
[18:32] <kranzer> Sergobot: oh, I think, it doesn't matter
[18:32] <kranzer> Sergobot: you're russian, aren't you?
[18:33] <Sergobot> kranzer: Yes, I am
[18:33] <teward> but for the rest of us who aren't... :P
[20:03] <Sergobot> Riddell: could you help me?


[01:12] <knome> wicked. didn't ali1234 say one of his panels are unclickable? that just happened to me as well.
[01:18] <Unit193> Yes.
[01:18] <knome> that was a rhetoric question you silly one
[09:10] <ali1234> knome: seems like a recent regression then?
[09:11] <knome> maybe
[09:11] <knome> i was doing something in thunar when this suddenly happened
[09:11] <knome> thunar froze too
[09:11] <ali1234> restarting the window manager doesn't help
[09:12] <knome> restarting the panel worked for me
[09:13] <ali1234> xwininfo indicates there isn't some invisible thing covering it
[09:13] <knome> that sounds plausible
[09:16] <ali1234> i can't see any dfference between the panels
[09:16] <knome> i only have one panel, so...
[09:18] <ali1234> changing settings on the panel doens't make any difference... even moving it to another display
[09:22] <knome> i didn't poke around much since i was in the middle of something
[09:22] <knome> but if you have things you'd like me to grab the next time i hit this...
[09:23] <knome> (if i hit it)
[10:43] <slickymasterWork> knome, ftr I'm +1 on your proposed review of the Seeds & Composition section on the Strategy Document
[10:43] <knome> ok, good
[17:44] <elfy> evening all
[17:45] <elfy> ochosi: so - what did you end up deciding about meeting?
[17:45] <ochosi> hey elfy
[17:45] <elfy> hi :)
[17:49] <ochosi> i wanted to do friday, but then remembered you'r rarely available on fridays...
[17:50] <elfy> lol
[17:51] <elfy> actually normally I'm always around Friday - *this* week I'm covering
[17:51] <elfy> don't hang meeting time on me - as long as someone "Beta should be next week" that's fine
[17:53] <elfy> that said - images are still fubar on xorg it seems
[17:53] <ochosi> oh meh :)
[17:53] <ochosi> ok
[17:55] <elfy> generally - Friday I don't work, Thursday often only mornings
[17:55] <ochosi> k, good to know
[17:55] <ochosi> not sure why i misremembered that...
[17:56] <elfy> I think we spoke last week - at which point - this Friday I'm working :)
[17:56] <ochosi> :)
[17:59] <ochosi> ok, meeting set
[17:59] <elfy> :)
[19:08] <micahg> is there a bug report for the images?
[19:08] <micahg> I can take a look a bit later
[19:23] <elfy> micahg: as far as I know - mlankhorst was looking - not just us, seems to be most, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/16/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t16:52
[19:24] <micahg> ah, ok
[19:24] <elfy> no xorg-server
[19:24] <micahg> hrm
[19:24] <elfy> yep
[20:49] <cseder> Hi! What's on the menu for today?
[20:51] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, since corsac has said he can't be bothered to do more 4.12 uploads, should we package them all here?
[20:52] <Noskcaj> and could i have ~xubuntu-dev access so i can put updated packages there rather than my own PPA?
[20:54] <Noskcaj> hi cseder
[20:54] <cseder> Hello there Noskcaj
[20:55] <cseder> How is development in Xubuntu working out? Are you a fluid team?
[20:55] <elfy> only on the night of release :p
[20:55] <pleia2> some of us do drink a lot
[20:55] <cseder> Oh! That's unusual ;-)
[20:56] <cseder> Just don't go out the night BEFORE the release...
[20:56] <cseder> Personally I don't dring anyway, so it doesn't matter! ;-)
[20:57] <cseder> drink
[20:57] <cseder> sounded drunk there
[20:58] <knome> cseder, you'd really be better off at #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:58] <elfy> cseder: if it's all wrong the night before release - the best time to drink ...
[21:01] <cseder> I was thinking about joining the development team knome, but if you insist, I'll go my merry own way
[21:01] <knome> cseder, don't get me wrong, feel free to hang around here as well, but if you want to talk about drinking this isn't the right place
[21:01] <knome> (besides, blackmailing not going to work...)
[21:02] <cseder> I think there's a link to my LinkedIn page over at Launchpad... Same nickname
[21:02] <Noskcaj> cseder, Joining the team is less formal than that. contributions = part of the team now
[21:02] <cseder> I have Andrej Stepanov on my contact list ;-)
[21:03] <cseder> Or was it Alexander
[21:04] <pleia2> I don't know who that is, but feel free to jump into dev discussions as you can
[21:04] <elfy> for sure
[21:04] <pleia2> signing up for the mailing list is also valuable
[21:04] <cseder> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stepanov
[21:04] <elfy> knome: and it was that bad goblin that started the drinking talk
[21:04] <knome> cseder, xubuntu is very meritocratic; so instead of telling who you know, why don't you tell what you want to do to help us?
[21:04] <knome> elfy, tut tut!
[21:05] <cseder> knome: Who gave you piss to drink for dinner today?
[21:05] <knome> cseder, calm down
[21:05] <cseder> I like to brag a little, so do you.
[21:05] <knome> feel free to do that - elsewhere
[21:05] <cseder> Everybody does.
[21:05]  * ObrienDave pays attention
[21:05] <knome> at least until you prove us you are really willing to help, not just brag..
[21:06] <cseder> I get that.
[21:06] <cseder> This is my first meeting with you guys, so I kinda get a feeling for how the tone is around here.
[21:07] <elfy> generally laid back
[21:07] <elfy> but -offtopic is better to get to know people
[21:07] <knome> cseder, just remember your tone affects our tone...
[21:07] <cseder> That's a good position.
[21:07] <cseder> Well. Now look who's talking, eh?
[21:08] <cseder> ;-)
[21:10] <elfy> micahg: apparently this https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-driver-vesa/+bug/1432899
[21:10] <cseder> The thing is: I don't have very much time to offer, but I would like to learn more about how an open source community functions, learn more about using the tools you do, and learn to be a better programmer.
[21:10] <elfy> or at least that's current
[21:10] <cseder> I've only worked for commercial companies.
[21:12] <cseder> I've like never ever participated in an open source project before, I don't even know how to use other code repository tools than TFS! :-p
[21:13] <cseder> But I've been using Linux since 1996.
[21:13] <Noskcaj> cseder, What programming language do you know?
[21:13] <Noskcaj> But i suggest you start by finding something you use often, and testing or fixing a bug in it
[21:13] <cseder> Mainly C, and C++.
[21:14] <cseder> Some Python.
[21:14] <Noskcaj> Which is what most of xfce is in, that helps
[21:14] <Noskcaj> and most of ubuntu's scripts are python
[21:15] <cseder> But the time is an issue. I'll start with joining the mailing lists, then browse through some of the bugs and code, and see what I could make out of it
[21:15] <Noskcaj> I've got to go to school now, someone else should be able to answer any questions you have
[21:15] <Noskcaj> sounds good
[21:15] <Noskcaj> anything you can do helps us
[21:16] <cseder> Ok. Study hard.
[21:18] <cseder> There is probably a bit to read through regarding how the dev process works and how to do what. Guess I find my way around in the documentation for the developers.
[21:55] <cseder> Ok, see you guys later. Gotta go...
[22:30] <elfy> caught ...


[05:38] <len-1304> ubuntustudio-default-settings fixes Bug #1162231
[05:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1162231 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "default terminal and file manager are not set for first use" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162231
[05:39] <len-1304> Please accept the above package.
[07:51] <ScottK> len-1304: Done
[08:11] <ScottK> infinity: ~150 packages on armhf got chrootwait in the rebuild.  Every one I checked was attempted on nasl, so I manualled it.
[13:37] <len-1304> ScottK, Thank you
[16:16] <infinity> ScottK: Fun.
[16:16] <infinity> ScottK: And you gave 'em all back already, I guess?
[17:22] <ScottK> infinity: No.
[17:23] <ScottK> Looks like someone else did.