[00:04] <tolun> Hi guys...
[00:05] <tolun> I want to know that how can I install egd on ubuntu server...
[01:48] <CppIsWeird> i cant find the package libapache-mod-dav? apt-cache search returns nothing, as well as searchs for apache-mod and apache2-mod, none of which return a dav module
[02:47] <darthanubis> whats the difference in the "generic" and "server" kernels?
[02:51] <jetole> can anyone recommend a good method for syslog from windows to syslog-ng, lots of methods mentioned on the net, basically want to know what any of you use that works
[03:41] <HellMind> Hello, which is the cmd to configure modules? (I want to load a mod for my nic)
[03:42] <HellMind> And I need a tool like prime95 to stress the cpu
[03:49] <hads> I've no idea what prime95 is but you could try cpuburn which is a package in universe.
[03:58] <nijaba> HellMind: modprobe is a usefull comand for modules
[04:00] <HellMind> primeworks
[04:00] <HellMind> i will try cpuburn
[04:00] <HellMind> but i dont know the name of the module :(
[04:01] <nijaba> darthanubis: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel should give you a good idea
[04:01] <HellMind> then i should do insmod -i
[04:03] <nijaba> HellMind: mmh if you do not know the module, and it is not loaded automatically, you may have to do so search on the net to find it out in the first place
[04:03] <nijaba> HellMind: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html might help filtering your search
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: light night?
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: or early morning?
[04:04] <nijaba> kirkland: preparing for jetlag
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: ah, you must have traveled over the pond before :-)
[04:05] <nijaba> kirkland: a few hundred times I think
[04:05] <kirkland> nijaba: :-P
[04:05] <nijaba> err...  no, more like below a hundred
[04:05] <nijaba> but by not much
[04:06] <nijaba> funny how you get highlighted when I point someone to your search engine
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks for the advertisement ;-)
[04:09] <nijaba> :)
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: i point a lot of newbies to it
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: and, actually developers too
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: newz2000 still hasn't turned on search.ubuntu.com, sadly
[04:10] <nijaba> it is very useful
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: you mess with the manpage repo any?
[04:10] <nijaba> kirkland: we have to accept that things take time
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: i use that one allday, everyday
[04:10] <sommer> hey all
[04:11] <nijaba> kirkland: not yet, haven't had time to look at the access details :(
[04:11] <nijaba> hey sommer
[04:11] <kirkland> nijaba: it's just ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com
[04:11] <kirkland> sommer: howdy
[04:11] <sommer> nijaba kirkland yo... anyone know about doc.u.c?
[04:11] <nijaba> kirkland: thanks, bookmarked.  I'll drop comments if I have any
[04:11] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks
[04:11] <nijaba> sommer: know what?
[04:12] <kirkland> sommer: never seen it before
[04:12] <sommer> mdke hasn't been around for awhile, and the site is dated... at least the serverguide
[04:12] <nijaba> hmm really?
[04:12] <nijaba> we should talk with elmo about that
[04:12] <kirkland> sommer: have you raised it on the doc mailing list?
[04:12] <sommer> ya, and there's some good samba stuff in there
[04:13] <sommer> kirkland: nope... was kind of waiting to see if he'd show up
[04:13] <kirkland> sommer: ah
[04:13] <sommer> I know he's updated it in the past
[04:13] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's funny how little traffic there is in #ubuntu-doc
[04:14] <sommer> kirkland: it picks up closer to release time
[04:14] <nijaba> ok, past 11pm in Boston, I can go to bed :)
[04:14] <kirkland> nijaba: see ya Sunday
[04:15] <sommer> later on nijaba
[04:16] <nijaba> kirkland: definitely.  I may be around tomorrow with some fun at finishing my limesurvey package.  emmet did raise a few issue.  As you will soon know, the first one it tough.
[04:16] <nijaba> *is
[04:16] <kirkland> brb, grabbing 'nother beer ;-)
[04:16]  * sommer has a great italian wine :)
[04:16]  * sommer dolcetto... yay!
[04:17]  * nijaba has a lot of french wine but drinks coke
[04:17]  * hads continues recovering from last night
[04:17] <sommer> party!
[04:17] <emgent> hello there :)
[04:17] <kirkland> emgent: howdy!
[04:17] <nijaba> emgent: hello! congratulations !
[04:17] <kirkland> sommer: super tuscan?
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: i see you like folk music?
[04:18] <sommer> kirkland: not sure where exactly, but it's good
[04:18] <emgent> kirkland: sure.
[04:18]  * kirkland pours himself a heffeweizen
[04:18] <emgent> nijaba: thanks :)
[04:18] <sommer> that's a good one
[04:18] <emgent> kirkland: do you know "Modena City Remblers" ?
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: a close friend of mine is a folk musician in Tuscany
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: I don't...
[04:18] <nijaba> ok, call of the hay...  good whatever guys!
[04:19] <emgent> argh :)
[04:19] <kirkland> emgent: i'll have to check them out
[04:20] <emgent> kirkland: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJIb3_4P0Q
[04:21] <kirkland> emgent: Irish Italian?
[04:21] <kirkland> emgent: http://www.vanessapeters.com/ontheroad.html  <- those are my friends
[04:21] <emgent> yeah
[04:22] <emgent> kirkland: http://www.ramblers.it/home/home_1.asp?idpag=17&lang=eng
[04:23] <kirkland> emgent: good stuff ;-)
[04:23] <emgent> hehehe :)
[04:23] <emgent> someone use moinmoin ?
[04:32] <emgent> kirkland: when you come back in italy mail me :)
[04:32] <kirkland> emgent: will do!
[04:32] <kirkland> emgent: i spent 2 weeks there, last year
[04:34] <emgent> :)
[04:34] <emgent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orvieto
[04:36] <kirkland> emgent: is that where you live?
[04:36] <emgent> sure
[04:36] <kirkland> emgent: cool
[04:37] <kirkland> emgent: we spent a week in Castiglion Fiorentio, near Arezzo
[04:37] <emgent> http://www.ou.edu/ccac/images/orvieto.jpg
[04:37] <emgent> oh cool
[04:37] <emgent> 1 hour by car :P
[04:39] <kirkland> emgent: Assisi is in Umbria, right?
[04:40] <emgent> yes
[04:44] <emgent> kirkland: but it`s a clerical city..
[04:44] <emgent> orvieto too :(
[04:45] <kirkland> emgent: "clerical"?  you mean, "religious"?
[04:45] <emgent> yeah
[04:45] <kirkland> ah, right
[04:45] <kirkland> well, we enjoyed it for what it was worth
[04:45] <kirkland> very medieval too
[04:46] <kirkland> my wife and i enjoy little old italian cities, inside the ancient walls and such
[04:46] <helfire> is there a RAID option that is not mirroring but just paridy so I dont need to have 2x the disk space for mirroring?
[04:46] <emgent> yes it`s true, but in italy  Vatican > *, and it`snt good.
[04:47] <kirkland> helfire: are you looking for RAID5?
[04:48] <helfire> i belive so, is that a viable option for LVM+mdadm+RAID5?
[04:48] <kirkland> helfire: i think you're mixing up your terms
[04:48] <kirkland> helfire: you can certainly run an LVM on top of a RAID5
[04:49] <kirkland> mdadm is just a command line tool used to administer RAIDs
[04:49] <kirkland> and yes, mdadm supports RAID5
[04:49] <helfire> oh i thought mdadm was a software raid utility
[04:49] <kirkland> helfire: well, it is a command line utility for setting up a software raid, yes
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: the linux kernel handles the low level details of the raid devices though
[04:50] <helfire> so i'd add physical disks to a software raid5 set, then create a LVM on top of it?
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: yup
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: and if you want to understand the different raid levels, make yourself a pot of tea and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[04:50] <helfire> is expanding and failing as easy with RAID5 as RAID1?
[04:51] <helfire> i've been reading tutorials on lvm+raid, but they all focus on raid1
[04:51] <kirkland> helfire: mostly, yes
[04:51] <kirkland> helfire: there's one kick, though, i'd say with raid5
[04:51] <kirkland> with raid1, at any time, you can take one of your hard drives and go play elsewhere
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: ie, you can take it out of one computer and put it somewhere else and have all your data
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: with raid5, you have to have at least 3 disks to start with
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: and any one of your disks only contains a subset of the total data
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: so no single disk itself has all of your data
[04:53] <kirkland> helfire: i have a 4 disk RAID 5....  it has 4 x 500GB drives
[04:53] <kirkland> helfire: for a total of about 1.5 TB of space
[04:53] <kirkland> a full disk is lost to parity
[04:53] <kirkland> but with RAID5, that parity is striped across all 4 disks
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: I can lose any 1 of the 4 disks, without losing data
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: I cannot lose 2 disks, though
[04:54] <hads> You aren't required to do LVM with RAID either, unless you want to.
[04:54] <helfire> ya, i want to maximize space with the ability to expand (LVM)
[04:54] <helfire> and the ability to repair if needed
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: well, technically, RAID5 is expandible now too
[04:55] <hads> You can expand a RAID5 array
[04:55] <helfire> oh interesting
[04:55] <kirkland> lvm has been able to do that for a long time
[04:55] <kirkland> but somewhere around 2.6.20 (???) roughly, it became possible to expand raid5
[04:55] <hads> So if that's the only reason you want LVM it may not be nessecary (although you may want it for other reasons).
[04:56] <hads> kirkland: Sounds about the right timeline to me
[04:56] <helfire> could i have raid5 with say 2x250GB, 2x500gb and then add maybe 2x1TB
[04:56] <kirkland> hads: i know it was just after RHEL5, which was 2.6.18
[04:56] <helfire> see i keep buying big HD's when they're cheap but my files are just all over, i want one file server with a huge repository
[04:57] <kirkland> helfire: you sound like a classic case for a raid5 ;-)
[04:57] <helfire> it doesnt matter that they're a bunch of different sizes? I can just keep extending?
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: now you cannot do that
[04:58] <hads> RAID5 is designed for same size disks
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: with raid5, you have to have identically sized disks
[04:58] <helfire> ahh
[04:58] <helfire> but i could get around that with making say 500GB LVM "partitions"
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: or, rather, if you have a 300, 400, 500, 600 G disks, you'd have 4 x 300G raid5 devices
[04:59] <helfire> i'm confusing myself on what is the lowest layer RAID or LVM
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: you'd put RAID below LVM
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: the stack looks something like this....
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: disks are /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb
[05:01] <kirkland> helfire: you'd partition a disk into partitions, /dev/hda1, /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdc1
[05:01] <kirkland> helfire: you'd mark those partitions as type 0xfd, which is Linux software raid
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: you'd construct a raid device, /dev/md0, out of a set of raid partitions, say /dev/sd[a-d]1
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: you could then format /dev/md0 as a filesystem itself
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: or use that as a physical volume for lvm
[05:03] <helfire> hmm i see
[05:04] <kirkland> helfire: good luck, i'm signing off
[05:04] <helfire> alright, thanks for the info
[05:12] <runes> will adduser.conf run bash commands?
[05:16] <helfire> could try to put a command in there like `touch /tmp/itworks`
[05:16] <helfire> but man adduser.conf says it just reads in variables, but it does look very similar to bash
[05:19] <runes> ok.  The challenge is that I am trying to figure out how to get adduser to create an sql user account at the same time it creted the linux account
[05:19] <runes> created=creates
[05:20] <runes> so I'm not sure where to put the commands to get it to run them or how to get it to call an external bash script
[05:21] <runes> it's a pita to have to first create the user then go into mysql create the user there then create the mail user...
[05:28] <hads> Why not a wrapper around adduser
[05:33] <runes> hads can you explain?
[05:35] <runes> I'm still quite new at linux
[05:35] <runes> But I ahve no problem looking things up
[05:36] <helfire> make your own shell script that calls both adduser and the mysql command to add a user
[05:36] <runes> ok I was thinkign that i twas goign to be something like that
[05:37] <runes> I guess the good thing about creating the bash script is that I can reuse it for multiple account creations
[05:38] <runes> thanx helfire
[05:38] <helfire> ya, you can add as much initial setup as you want to it
[05:38] <runes> perfect
[05:38] <helfire> when i was managing users, i had a 700 line perl script to do everything for me
[05:41] <runes> You knwo I started using ubuntu a year ago...the last few months I started to take the learning more seriously and have figured out virtual hosting a bit of php and some MySQL but in truth the most important things like how to create backups, shell scripting etc I overlooked.. so now I'm forcing myself to use shell commands
[05:41] <runes> it reminds me of the old dos days only a lot more exciting
[05:42] <helfire> you can do anything with shell scripts, I couldnt live without em
[05:43] <runes> the one thing I really don't understand is why there isin't an advanced backup utility for linux
[05:43] <runes> yes I know tar is the usual way to do things and from what I am reading to create nfs shares to dump to
[05:44] <runes> but soem kind of util-tool with compression and encryption.
[05:44] <helfire> rsync?
[05:44] <runes> oops....ok so there is one
[05:45] <helfire> well it's simple to use something like rsync and other commands together to get compression and encryption etc that there's no reason to build a new utility
[05:45] <runes> well back to the man pages I go
[05:46] <helfire> the simplest just thinking off the top of my head todo remote backups would make a ssh tunnel from one server to the other and rsync over that, it'd give you compression over the network and encryption
[05:47] <helfire> someone probably has thought of better ways, google i'm sure would come up with some good examples
[05:49] <runes> one of the ways they mentioned is to tar the files and place them on a nfs mount (usually pointing to some kind of external drive tape or raid array)
[05:49] <runes> but that makes me think of someone using winrar to back up a windows server only translated to linux
[05:49] <helfire> ya
[05:50] <runes> now in linux do you have to worry about locked files when you back them up
[05:51] <helfire> maybe if your backing up like the active system partition, but if it's just user data I dont worry too much
[05:51] <hads> rsync supports ssh natively
[05:52] <runes> so at least I can run it through a remote session
[05:52] <helfire> see, i havent used rsync forever, my backup needs are so tiny i just do a full tar each time :)
[05:53] <runes> for me it would be mainly for the /home  /etc and  mysql files
[05:53] <hads> helfire: rsync foo host:/home/foo/
[05:54] <runes> helfire, and the tar grabs everything? Including the boot sector?
[05:55] <helfire> no
[05:55] <helfire> tar i belive only can grab filesystem files
[05:55] <runes> ok
[05:55] <helfire> like tar cvzf home.bak.tgz /home
[05:56] <helfire> would create a compressed file of home
[05:57] <helfire> bedtime, i might wake up and try for an iphone tomorrow haha
[06:00] <runes> bah I'd wait have a good night!
[08:20] <warchief_ryan> doesn't samba use both CIFS and SMB? i'm confused  when there referred to separately as if you can choose to use one or the other with samba...
[09:33] <chmac> Is there an equivalent of ssh-add I can use in a terminal?
[09:34] <chmac> Or rather ssh-agent as ssh-add complains that it can't reach ssh-agent
[09:36] <_ruben> ssh-agent and ssh-add can be used just fine in a terminal
[09:41] <chmac> _ruben: I was missing the eval $(ssh-add -s) part :)
[09:41] <_ruben> ah :)
[11:57] <ctx144k> hello all
[11:58] <ctx144k> i need an easy mail-server for sending inform,ationmails to an admin-email-adress, and sending cron-nmessages localy
[12:26] <nijaba> ctx144k: what's easy?  to install?
[12:26] <ctx144k> yes..
[12:26] <ctx144k> i configured postfix. but... i have a problem with it
[12:27] <ctx144k> if i say ion /etc/mailname a really domain mails to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>are comming in, but mails to locally adresses (from cron and so on) doesent doesent come in
[12:27] <nijaba> ctx144k: sudo tasksel install mail-server should install and do a basic working config
[12:29] <ctx144k> if i say in /etc/mailname localhost, i get locally emails, but mails to another server willbe bounced:
[12:29] <ctx144k> http://rafb.net/p/SFPGA958.html
[12:29] <nijaba> ctx144k: bounced by whom?  what's the error?
[12:30] <ctx144k> the another server is bouncing mails wich are from root@localhost
[12:30] <ctx144k> so i need there a correct name
[12:30] <nijaba> right, you need to have a correct domain name defined
[12:30] <nijaba> ctx144k: do you operate your own dns?
[12:30] <ctx144k> but if i set there a correct name locally emails willnot comming on local pc
[12:31] <ctx144k> no
[12:31] <nijaba> ctx144k: for a given domain?
[12:31] <ctx144k> my pc has no domain
[12:31] <ctx144k> its a client in internet. i need onmly sending administration emails to another server
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: so you do not really need postfix
[12:32] <ctx144k> okay
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: or a real mail server
[12:32] <ctx144k> i installed exim4, but there i dont get mails too
[12:32] <ctx144k> what do i need?
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: try a package like msmtp-mta
[12:33] <ctx144k> i need only a way getting locally mail from cron and so on, ans sending emails out
[12:33] <nijaba> ctx144k: which should allow you to send email to any destination, without having to deal with a full smtp server
[12:35] <ctx144k> yes
[12:36] <ctx144k> http://rafb.net/p/knC8Py85.html
[12:38] <nijaba> http://ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com/manpages/hardy/man1/msmtp.html has some good config example that should be easy to follow
[12:53] <ctx144k> nijaba, merci its running
[12:54] <nijaba> ctx144k: il n'y a pas de quoi, andre
[12:54] <ctx144k> ?!?
[12:54] <nijaba> ^^french for you ara welcome
[12:55]  * nijaba kicks uvirtbot
[12:56] <nijaba> ctx144k: sorry, your first name and your use of merci, made me thought you spoke french
[13:07] <cropalato> Some one can help me? Where can i get more info about "NICs standby failover"?
[13:17] <ctx144k> no iam german :)
[13:22] <ogra> nijaba, we germans are good pretenders ;)
[13:54] <ctx144k> but another question, ghow can i disable sending mails in cron?
[13:54] <ctx144k> all cron-jopbs are sending mails to root
[14:41] <_ruben> cropalato: you're looking for info on redundant networking or what?
[14:45] <cropalato> _ruben, yes. redundat network, HA!
[14:52] <_ruben> cropalato: what exactly do you want to know? the proper term in linux is "bonding" btw
[14:55] <cropalato> _ruben, i want the my server don't lose any connection if my wire or NIC stop.
[14:58] <_ruben> cropalato: google will find lots of articles explaining how to configure nic bonding, like http://pmjdebruijn.blogspot.com/2006/04/ubuntu-bonding.html
[14:58] <cropalato> _ruben, thanks. bonding is the word.
[14:59] <_ruben> cropalato: the details (like which bonding method to use), depends on your network. like redundant switches or not, or if you want to use both nics for increased bandwith when both nics are operational
[15:00] <cropalato> _ruben, ok. thanks
[15:06] <_ruben> yw
[16:26] <namzezam> using amazon ec2, what is your recommended ami for Ubuntu Server Edition with Nginx on ma.large  (64bit 7.5 GB RAM) ?
[16:34] <chmac> Any suggestion on how to tell apt that otrs is already configured and no longer requires configuration?
[16:50] <dthacker> I'm planning on converting my squid proxy to a transparent proxy.   I currently have a cable modem.-->fw/router--->6 pc's  Do I need to move the squid server between the cable modem and fw/router for it to receive all web requests?
[17:50] <didymus7777> I am running the new hardy server, with the webmin program (boss wants to see stuff) however when I set up the DHCP server with it (or with out it for that matter) even with the step by step fools way of setting it up I still get the error message- "starting DHCP server dhcpd3 ...fail!  I am not seeing what I am screwing up on, in fact I don't even really know were to look. yes I have ip-forwarding set up and the client computer with a stati
[17:52] <sergevn> nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://<IP_ADDRESS>/: Invalid credentials
[17:52] <sergevn> doe anyone know what this error means.
[17:52] <sergevn> besides invalid credentials ofcourse
[17:52] <sergevn> sure they are right
[17:53] <sergevn> getent passwd gives back the correct users
[17:53] <sergevn> to the connection to ldap works
[17:53] <sergevn> pulling my hair  out here :P
[17:58] <dthacker> sergevn: looking at the error message. It expects to find an LDAP server on localhost, and is not finding one?
[18:09] <sergevn> it finds it
[18:09] <sergevn> because getent gives back the ldap users
[18:09] <sergevn> dthacker: :)


[00:23] <Takeasy> er....i want to re-install xubuntu, how to do?
[00:50] <Sysi> !instalation
[00:50] <Sysi> !installation
[00:51] <Sysi> like normally, but you propably want to use same partitions
[00:52] <Takeasy> yes
[00:53] <Takeasy> as my display card can't be recognized, i bypass the display card checking
[00:53] <Takeasy> i915.modeset=1
[00:53] <Sysi> what card is it?
[00:54] <Takeasy> well actually it's a onboard one
[00:54] <Sysi> (umph sorry, almost 3am, i'm going to bed ->)
[00:55] <Takeasy> off you go
[00:55] <Takeasy> i'd be back some time
[03:28] <vic20gmr> is this where ppc[macintosh] xubuntu discussion / support takesplace?
[03:34] <charlie-tca> If we know the answer. Otherwise, more help might be available in #ubuntu-ppc or #ubuntu-powerpc
[03:37] <vic20gmr> ok thx
[03:38] <vic20gmr> one question thats on mymind may apply to all xubunut, i suspect; if i installed with one sort of usb-wifi adaptr, can i plug in a different one and still connect to the net with it?
[03:39] <vic20gmr> without needing to download pkgs?
[03:40] <charlie-tca> maybe
[03:41] <charlie-tca> usb-wifi is a strange animal to have to try and make work. It might be okay, but it might not. You just have to try it and see. You can always plug the old one back in, but even that could fail if it tries to install new drivers.
[03:41] <charlie-tca> Try the new adapter witht he live cd, and see if it works?
[03:43] <vic20gmr> well im thinking, it may use diff drivers if it detects? a diff adapter at boot time?
[03:45] <vic20gmr> i just want to say wut a thrill itis to see xubuntu LI?NUX! running an an i bool i piked up for 75 bucks!
[03:45] <charlie-tca> That's great!
[03:45] <vic20gmr> ibook i piked up
[03:45] <charlie-tca> I am glad it is working :-)
[03:46] <vic20gmr> ya like a charm "right out of the box"! :D
[03:47] <vic20gmr> it duznt have an aiport card, so i was hoping a linux distro+usb<>wifi wud make it net cpable
[03:48] <vic20gmr> i prob need to quit xchat for a bit, lang packs r installing, then on to updates
[03:48] <vic20gmr> thx, and ltrz - charlie, all
[03:49] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[06:04] <vic20gmr> i tried connecting to #xubuntupowerpc, as well as #xubuntuppc, and i was the only one there, did i mis-type?
[06:05] <knome> vic20gmr, there's no such channels
[06:05] <knome> !powerpc
[06:05] <vic20gmr> im trying to determine the best kb layout to use for an ibook g3
[06:05] <knome> hmm, i'm sure there was some channel for that, but can't remember what was its name...
[06:06] <knome> vic20gmr, apparently #ubuntu-ppc :)
[06:06] <vic20gmr> ahh
[06:06] <vic20gmr> thx
[06:06] <knome> np
[06:06] <vic20gmr> no xubuntu specific? its all under ubuntu?
[06:07] <knome> yes, no xubuntu specific channel, since the group is small anyway
[06:08] <vic20gmr> ahh ok, thx again :)
[06:08] <knome> again, np & you're welcome :)
[07:52] <vic20gmr> i want to open a port in xubuntu, howdo i do that?
[07:52] <vic20gmr> google hasnt helped so far
[08:25] <vic20gmr> i cant fig out y transmission says the port is blocked, and ive used the same exact port on another machine and it everything works fine on it
[08:25] <vic20gmr> anyone have an idea wut i need to do?
[08:25] <vic20gmr> im using jaunty
[08:26] <TheSheep> vic20gmr: are you behind a nat?
[08:27] <vic20gmr> im on wifi, so i think that means yes, correct?
[08:29] <vic20gmr> wut i dont understand is with the same port set, i can use utorrent with no problems
[08:29] <TheSheep> vic20gmr: then you need to configure your router to either forward that particular port to your machine
[08:30] <vic20gmr> y does it work on one machine, but the *exact* same port is reported closed on this one?
[08:30] <TheSheep> vic20gmr: you can only have a port forwarded to a single machine, so obviously the same port won't work on different ones
[08:30] <vic20gmr> surely its something at my end?
[08:30] <vic20gmr> they rnt connected at the same time
[08:31] <vic20gmr> the other comp isnt currently connected
[08:31] <TheSheep> vic20gmr: http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/what-is-nat-port-forwarding/
[08:31] <vic20gmr> i kno wut is port forwarding
[08:31] <TheSheep> apparently you don't
[08:31] <TheSheep> this has nothing to do with your xubuntu, and everything to do with your router
[08:31] <vic20gmr> i dont know y two machines wud have diff results on same port [they have never been connected simultaniously]
[08:32] <vic20gmr> everything to do with router? then y does ther comp work fine?
[08:32] <vic20gmr> the other*
[08:33] <vic20gmr> i hope ur not gonna assume u know it must b a router prob, and stop there
[08:34] <TheSheep> you configure port forwarding for every ip address separately, if your router is sanely configured, your computers get different ip addresses even if they are not connected at the same time. just configure it for your computer on the router.
[08:34] <vic20gmr> i cant config router
[08:34] <vic20gmr> i dont have access to it
[08:34] <TheSheep> so that's that
[08:35] <vic20gmr> so y does one get thru the port, and this one doesnt?
[08:36] <vic20gmr> TheSheep,  y does this comp not get thru, but other comp [using same wifi adapter, in case it matters] not get thru?
[08:37] <TheSheep> maybe they can help you at #networking
[08:38] <vic20gmr> so i take u dont know the answer?
[08:40] <TheSheep> I don't have an answer that satisfies you, and no matter how many times you ask, my answer won't change. I don't have time for giving a lecture on how nat works, espacially since that is easily googled. Maybe someone at #networking will have more patience.
[08:40] <TheSheep> especially*
[08:40] <TheSheep> you can also stay here and see if someone else has a better answer
[08:41] <vic20gmr> keep this way of carrying yourself sheep, that way more people will run to ubuntu and/or other alt oses
[08:43] <vic20gmr> re-read the "ubuntu philosophy", if u can tear urself away from here long enuff
[08:43] <TheSheep> !attitude
[08:48] <vic20gmr> idk is acceptable as an answer
[13:11] <visitor1> how good is the idea to install the latest nvidia driver on a 10.04 system?
[13:13] <visitor1> it says under hardware drivers that i am using the current version which is recommended
[13:34] <TheSheep> visitor1: why do you need the latest version?
[13:35] <visitor1> for trying out , maybe my video will be played back smoother
[13:37] <visitor1> i looked for ubuntu wiki, seems to be rather complicated i think i will wait for 10.10 and maybe try this finished product out
[13:38] <TheSheep> this is generally a good idea, unless you have a lot of time and don't really need your computer for several days ;)
[13:38] <visitor1> lol TheSheep
[13:38] <visitor1> ok , thanks TheSheep
[13:54] <ubuntu_user> hello I need help
[13:54] <knome> !ask | ubuntu_user
[13:54] <ubuntu_user> I'm installing at the moment xubuntu 10.10 beta and the installer seams to do nothing froze or something
[13:54] <knome> !maverick | ubuntu_user
[13:55] <ubuntu_user> I see only removing conflicting operating system files
[13:55] <ubuntu_user> I know but how can I continue installation or gone thru it
[13:55] <ubuntu_user> or do something to fix this
[13:55] <Sysi> reboot and try installation again
[13:56] <ubuntu_user> tried that
[13:56] <Sysi> use stable version
[13:57] <ubuntu_user> dont get me wrong but I gone thru the process of chosing partitions etc and it started to install or atleast i guess it does and now its stalled on " removing conflicting operating system files"
[13:57] <ubuntu_user> is there possibility that it is installed ?
[13:57] <ubuntu_user> I got 800mb usage on / partition atm
[13:57] <knome> ubuntu_user, please, as you are told, discussion about 10.10 only in #ubuntu+1
[13:57] <knome> ubuntu_user, also, as this is an installation issue, i'm sure you'll get more help there.
[13:58] <ubuntu_user> thanks
[15:39] <Tir_Eoghan> so I have a bit of an odd question; (odd answers will get high marks) now I know xubuntu technicall can run on a 400mhz celeron with 192mb's of ram, but will it run well? or am I better off with a lighter linux version
[15:40] <edakiri> Tir_Eoghan: Mine is using about 230MB , not including buffers+cache.
[15:41] <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm.. so by that I assume, that it won't run too well on my super computer *grin*
[15:41] <Tir_Eoghan> I'm currently running off a live cd of lubuntu, but I can't stand chromium, so I don't want to install it
[15:42] <edakiri> top ram user is firefox4 at 86MB resident.
[15:42] <charlie-tca> You could try midori instead of firefox
[15:42] <edakiri> I too hate chromium. there is midori.
[15:43] <edakiri> charlie-tca: i may.  i'm getting by (barely) with FF
[15:43] <Tir_Eoghan> good call, I'll use midori.. so Midori in xubuntu shouldn't be a problem
[15:43] <charlie-tca> midori should work good
[15:43] <istok> for some weird reason i can watch flash content but not hear it :(
[15:43] <charlie-tca> istok: do you have other sounds?
[15:44] <Tir_Eoghan> I can't abide flash either hehe, although I will use cclive to download those odd decent streaming videos
[15:44] <istok> charlie-tca, no, doesn't seem to be any
[15:45] <charlie-tca> That matters
[15:45] <istok> i'm going to download an mp3, try to play with something
[15:45] <istok> just had a fresh install, from debian
[15:45] <charlie-tca> hmm, debian is not xubuntu
[15:46] <istok> i was using debian but i had issues so did a fresh install of xubuntu
[15:46] <Tir_Eoghan> one day I'll switch to an even lighter os, but currently I'm not knowledgeable enough in linux to use anything less user friendly then the 'buntu family
[15:46] <istok> ubuntu is based on debian
[15:47] <istok> pretty similar
[15:47] <charlie-tca> based on, but not debian
[15:47] <istok> heh
[15:47] <istok> well, so far i <3 it - everything runs smoother than my 5.0.6 lenny
[15:47] <istok> the only thing; the sound
[15:48] <istok> testing mp3
[15:48] <charlie-tca> probably have to enable it in the mixer
[15:48] <charlie-tca> left-click the speaker thing in the panel, that is the mixer
[15:49] <istok> yeah, seems no driver
[15:49] <istok> hrmm
[15:49] <charlie-tca> I would click "select controls", turn on at least master, cd, video
[15:50] <Sysi> pcm
[15:50] <charlie-tca> Then you right-click the mixer, click properties, make sure it is not muted
[15:51] <istok> i did that, still nothing
[15:52] <charlie-tca> speakers are connected and turned on
[15:53] <edakiri> It is like the firefox versions which are not Firefox.
[15:53] <edakiri> (ubuntu ... debian)
[15:54] <istok> heh
[15:54] <istok> yes, everything worked fine before
[15:54] <istok> i added the controls, unmuted pc-speaker etc
[15:54] <crazygir> hi there, I have both windows and xubuntu installed (boot used to work fine) though something happened and windows does not boot properly now. What is the best way to have grub recheck for windows and make the updates?
[15:55] <istok> crazygir, sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst <- and manually edit, or /sbin/update-grub
[15:56] <crazygir> I tried manually editing in the past, but to no avail
[15:56] <crazygir> I'll try update-grub
[15:56] <crazygir> thanks istok
[15:56] <charlie-tca> istok: if it is grub2, menu.lst is no longer used
[15:56] <istok> err
[15:57] <istok> i was just thinking that
[15:58] <crazygir> yea.. I guess that happened with the last update
[15:58] <crazygir> what is used now?
[15:58] <charlie-tca> /etc/default/grub to make changes
[15:58] <charlie-tca> update-grub to fix things
[15:59] <crazygir> interesting
[15:59] <Tir_Eoghan> the thought occurs; you might be better off without windows *grin*
[16:00] <istok> weird, everything seems installed, driver wise, but still, no sound
[16:01] <charlie-tca> istok: okay, arguable method I use to enable sound
[16:01] <charlie-tca> left-click the mixer
[16:01] <charlie-tca> left-click select controls
[16:01] <charlie-tca> check master, pcm, cd, video
[16:02] <charlie-tca> make sure nothing is muted and all volumes are at least 75% up the scale
[16:02] <charlie-tca> click the arrows for SOUND CARD
[16:02] <istok> it's on alsa mixer
[16:02] <charlie-tca> pick "Playback: Internal Audio Analog Stereo (PulseAudio Mixer)
[16:02] <charlie-tca> click master
[16:03] <charlie-tca> make sure it is not muted and the volume scale is at least 50%
[16:03] <charlie-tca> click quit
[16:03] <istok> dude
[16:03] <istok> champion! :)
[16:03] <istok> ty
[16:03] <istok> so it was the playback
[16:03] <crazygir> Tir_Eoghan: you are correct, and actually.. this broke months ago, but I haven't had the 'requirement' for windows until now
[16:03] <charlie-tca> now right click the mixer, click properties
[16:03] <istok> i had the sound turned up loud too, headphones on
[16:03] <istok> unticked mute and BOOM
[16:04] <crazygir> rebooting and testing.. thanks for the help
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Sound Card: select playback: internal audio analog stereo (PulseAudio Mixer)
[16:04] <charlie-tca> That lets the speaker volume be controlled by the mixer without having to call up the whole thing
[16:04] <charlie-tca> you can then use the scroll wheel to change the volume and see it
[16:05] <istok> hrmm, where is the properties?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> right-click,
[16:06] <Tir_Eoghan> that tears it, I need to purchase a working cdburner
[16:06] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:06] <charlie-tca> istok: close the mixer, then right-click the speaker in the panel
[16:06] <Tir_Eoghan> I can't rely on useing my roomates computers to burn my os iso's, they are always asleep when I'm awake
[16:07] <istok> yep
[16:07] <istok> sound card - mixer track - left click command
[16:09] <charlie-tca> no
[16:09] <charlie-tca> not mixer track. It will be preset for you
[16:09] <charlie-tca> sound card above mixer track
[16:10] <charlie-tca> make it say pulseaudio mixer
[16:10] <charlie-tca> the playback: ...
[16:12] <istok> ok
[16:13] <charlie-tca> then close
[16:13] <istok> done
[16:20] <xubuntu253> hi verybody
[16:20] <xubuntu253> i have a problem with xubuntu installation
[16:21] <xubuntu253> when the installation progress is %85 it freezed
[16:22] <charlie-tca> It might be working in the background. Somethings just take a while to complete
[16:22] <xubuntu253> what can i do now?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> How long has it been frozen?
[16:22] <xubuntu253> about ten minutes
[16:23] <xubuntu253> it writes that "running dgkp'
[16:24] <xubuntu253> dpkg
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Try hitting the enter key
[16:24] <charlie-tca> It might be working, too. Some of my machines do that for up to 30 minutes
[16:25] <xubuntu253> i hate windows i want to install xubuntu because of my old system
[16:25] <charlie-tca> How much ram does that system have?
[16:25] <xubuntu253> i use a boot program and i tried to install this two times
[16:26] <xubuntu253> i have 384 mb ram
[16:26] <xubuntu253> celeron 1200 tualatin
[16:26] <charlie-tca> then it will take a long time to complete
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Did the cd pass the integrity check?
[16:26] <xubuntu253> yes
[16:27] <xubuntu253> i will try again but iwant to install it my c drive
[16:27] <xubuntu253> i have two partition c and d
[16:27] <xubuntu253> in d partition i have very important files
[16:28] <xubuntu253> i want to format c and install xubuntu instead of windows
[16:28] <xubuntu253> i have no cd rom or cd writer
[16:28] <xubuntu253> i have only xubuntu 1004 iso file and a boot manager
[16:30] <xubuntu253> when i boot unetboot, can i format only c drive?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I think so
[16:30] <charlie-tca> You could also create a usb image, and use it to install
[16:30] <charlie-tca> !install
[16:31] <xubuntu253> i have read all of these
[16:32] <xubuntu253> but i fear that formatting c
[16:32] <charlie-tca> oh
[16:32] <charlie-tca> well, what about keeping c and installing using wubi?
[16:32] <xubuntu253> if i format c with ext4 can i use my d drive with ntfs file system ?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> formatting c makes windows go away
[16:33] <xubuntu253> i dont need windows i hate windows
[16:33] <charlie-tca> yes, you can use d with ntfs, but it won't be called d in Xubuntu. It will be called sda2 or sdb1
[16:33] <istok> hrmm, why would exile say i don't have a decoder installed to handle an mp3 file?
[16:34] <istok> exaile*
[16:34] <xubuntu253> okay i understand that: if i format c drive with ext4. i wont lose my datas in d drive
[16:35] <xubuntu253> thank you very much my friend
[16:35] <charlie-tca> right
[16:35] <xubuntu253> greetings everybody from turkey
[16:35] <xubuntu253> take care.
[16:35] <charlie-tca> istok: you did not install the mp3 decoders/codecs ?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> xubuntu253: no problem
[16:35] <charlie-tca> good luck
[16:36] <istok> charlie-tca, i thought i had - where would that be?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> usually in multivers repository
[16:36] <istok> ok
[16:38] <istok> hrmm, libgmp3c2 is installed
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Sysi, TheSheep :  both know codecs and mp3 better than me
[16:43] <sagarchalise> Can anybody tell me how to change key binding
[16:44] <charlie-tca> sagarchalise: what version of Xubuntu?
[16:44] <sagarchalise> charlie-tca, lucid
[16:45] <Sysi> !restricted
[16:45] <charlie-tca> sagarchalise: Applications -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard, Application Shortcuts
[16:47] <sagarchalise> charlie-tca, How do I change xfce-screenshooter from print to ctrl+print
[16:48] <charlie-tca> remove it and then add a new shortcut for the keys you want
[16:48] <charlie-tca> or double click it,
[16:48] <charlie-tca> then just hit the keys you want. It will change it
[16:49] <sagarchalise> charlie-tca, ooh got it,silly me :D
[16:49] <charlie-tca> No, it isn't really intuitive, nor are there any prompts to guide you at that point
[16:54] <istok> yay, exaile likes me now
[16:55] <istok> so far, these fixes have been working, but my webcam isn't :/
[16:57]  * charlie-tca thinks "That won't be possible"
[16:57] <istok> the webcam?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> istok: I have never been able to make webcams work
[16:57] <istok> lol
[16:58] <istok> i can get it to work, but flash sites (that try to connect/stream) are unable to
[16:58] <istok> i've done the flash settings, allowing the site access, etc
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I really have given on them
[16:58] <istok> it was a modprobe gspca_main; modprobe gspca_pac7311
[16:59] <istok> that got the cam working
[16:59] <istok> lsusb showed it was a pixart - so i just looked it up on google
[17:43] <maryans> hi people
[17:44] <xubuntu998> hello people
[17:45] <xubuntu998> need some pro help with simple instructions ?
[17:45] <xubuntu998> i need that is !
[17:45] <charlie-tca> !ask
[17:51] <xubuntu998> installed xubuntu and have xp installed , when i start my system i got "grub rescue" because he didnt recognize my instalation or bootsequence . then i used the option on the live cd "boot from first hdd" then it worked , but now i updated and at restart grub rescue kicks in again and now even boot from first hdd fails , how can i repair this ?
[17:52] <xubuntu998> cause i dont want to re-install xp again , my wife is gonna kill me if its unfixable :(
[17:53] <Sysi> sounds like you need to reinstall grub
[17:53] <Sysi> !grub2
[18:20] <xubuntu998> oh yeah , was away and read the answers , but i failed to mention i have xubuntu 10.04 installed :S
[18:22] <xubuntu998> so grub 2 should be installed fine , now i reinstalled xubuntu again and dont wanna update if the bootmanager works again i guees
[18:22] <xubuntu998> but at least thx though for some answers
[18:32] <TechKat> ok odd problem
[18:33] <TechKat> upgraded via apt to the latest version, now suddenly piklab is broken. it's kinda important to what i often do
[18:33] <TechKat> says something about drkonqi not being found, but i supposedly have the packages containing that installed
[18:38] <charlie-tca> TechKat: try this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingInstallationIssues#Corrupted%20package%20archive
[18:38] <charlie-tca> It often fixes things
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Well, at least the clean and update part fixes things ;-)
[18:40] <TechKat> well we shapp see
[18:40] <TechKat> shall *
[18:41] <TechKat> nope
[18:41] <TechKat> same problem
[18:41] <charlie-tca> tried reinstalling drkonqi ?
[18:41] <TechKat> yup
[18:42] <TechKat> it's in the kedbase-bins supposedly
[18:43] <charlie-tca> If the updates lost it, sometimes a remove and reinstall will help, though
[18:44] <TechKat> i honestly have no idea what lost what. the whole thing has been wonky since the upgrade
[18:44] <charlie-tca> try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in a terminal
[18:45] <TechKat> nope
[18:46] <TechKat> prolly not anything anyone other then me gives a crap about
[18:48] <TechKat> all i know is this is now costing me more time then it honestly should
[18:52] <TechKat> i am unimpressed by 10.04
[18:53] <TechKat> on the upside the book i ordered just showed up
[18:54] <Sysi> version updates have possibility to break things
[18:55] <TechKat> obviously, but attempts to unbreak them such as reinstalling packages an shit should not crash and burn like they are doing
[18:56] <Sysi> !language
[18:56] <TechKat> ?
[18:58] <TechKat> i fail to see how anything i've said is not family friendly. heck i hear worse from 8 year olds in this day an age, it still does not change the fact that this is broken, i need to fix it and i'd really like some help.
[18:58] <TechKat> things like "yea well running apt could break things" are not exactly constructive
[18:59] <charlie-tca> hmm, maybe it is the kids I am around, but none of them use those words
[18:59] <Sysi> same
[18:59] <knome> TechKat, it is still inappropriate. please act per the guidelines or we might have to consider removing you.
[18:59] <TechKat> what would you rather i use in place?
[18:59] <knome> TechKat, as people are volunteers, it's not said they do their everything. also, answers are not always available, even if people wanted to help
[18:59] <charlie-tca> nothing
[19:00] <TechKat> i see no reason for us to remain in an off topic discussion based on 1 possibly iffy word that i said while describing the current situation
[19:02] <TechKat> trust me the word i used was quite restrained as i have a whole vulgar vocabulary running thur my head about this current situation
[19:02] <TechKat> that being said, i will refrain from anything that could possibly offend
[19:03] <knome> TechKat, it still does not justify using any less offensive word, as long as it's offensive
[19:03] <knome> TechKat, thanks
[19:03] <TechKat> it's not offensive to anyone but possibly super conservitive religious people. but that's besides the point
[19:03] <TechKat> i need to get this working as soon as possible so any and all suggestions on how to fix this current issue would greatly be appreciated
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Offending those attempting to help really doesn't work here
[19:04] <knome> !guidelines | TechKat, you can always refer to the ubuntu channel guidelines, and if you want to discuss about them not being just, feel free to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss that rather than start the discussion here:
[19:06] <TechKat> just a quick fyi, harping on something that somone already said they were sorry for is not exactly the best way to keep a channel friendly and attractive to both new and experienced users
[19:07] <charlie-tca> more help might be available in #ubuntu, too
[19:07] <TechKat> the trigger i just read says not to cross post
[19:12] <knome> TechKat, i agree discussing about guidelines is not on-topic, that's why i pointed you to them and told you are free to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss them further, if you feel like it. if not, then please act per them. thanks.
[19:12] <knome> TechKat, re: cross posting; it is okay if we say you could ask there, but joining N channels and posting the question parallely to all is not really wanted.
[19:13] <TechKat> well i didn't want to offend the ops
[19:13] <TechKat> you know how that goes
[19:13] <knome> TechKat, you can of course also ask another channel yourself if it looks like you are not going to get a reply now
[19:14] <knome> TechKat, with all the rules, using common sense is very very welcome :) (it's okay, nobody is offended, just to make sure the channel stays family-friendly :))
[19:15] <TechKat> (i'm a ham radio operator, you're more strict then the FCC about language and that's saying something)
[19:27] <TechKat> well it's quite frustrating
[19:29] <krabador> really great the new default theme, if ubuntu staff don't modofy nothing in the next ubuntu default theme, i think many people will snob ubuntu.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> knome: ^ ^ ^ Great job from shimmer
[19:33] <knome> krabador, charlie-tca: thanks.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:45] <TechKat> new error /usr/bin/iceauth:  creating new authority file .ICEauthority Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[19:46] <knome> charlie-tca, see http://shimmerproject.org/2010/09/bluebird-default-theme-xubuntu-1010/, published earlier today
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Very good! Thanks for the mention.
[19:52] <knome> np
[19:59] <TechKat> any ideas?
[20:03] <TechKat> ok i seem to have tracked it down to something to do with dcopserver
[20:11] <TechKat> hmm getting closer
[20:12] <TechKat> it now seems my parallel port could not be claimed
[20:16] <TechKat> any ideas knome?
[20:16] <knome> TechKat, no, not really...
[20:16] <TechKat> grr
[20:56] <Riotta> hello
[20:56] <Riotta> how to save laptop backlight level in xfce I used brightness plugin for xfce and it works but after reboot I got 100% again
[20:57] <Riotta> so the level is not saved, in Gnome it was saved and worked
[21:59] <Spicypixel> hey guys, got a kinda general question, I did some upgrades last night on the daily xubuntu build and today logged in and I seem to have a gnome style popups for notifications instead of the dark xubuntu ones. Any clues on how I can get the old skin for system notifications back?
[22:33] <charding> I've added a ppa to 'Other Sources' in my Respositories but I can't upgrade a package that's in this ppa
[22:34] <Sysi> charding: it won't automatically update because it's ppa
[22:35] <Sysi> you need to install package manually
[22:35] <Sysi> and ofc update package information
[22:36] <Spicypixel> any one know why my installation is now using the gnome notification daemon seemingly
[22:38] <charding> Sysi: How can I grab the deb/rpm from the ppa?
[22:38] <charding> on the launchpad website
[22:39] <charding> Sysi: hmm, I have seem to have found it, thanks
[22:40] <Spicypixel> mhmm relogged in after installing xfce4-notifyd and now its different again, not gnome, nor xubuntus default
[22:47] <Spicypixel> mhmm Settings > Notifications gives me 3 options none of which are the default one that shipped with xubuntu
[23:00] <Spicypixel> so notification-daemon package works but gives me gnome notifcations, xfce4-notifyd works but gives me the stock XFCE notifications it seems, any clues on how to restore the default xubuntu notifications?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> different theme, maybe?
[23:01] <Spicypixel> well, I went to apps> settings> notifications
[23:01] <Spicypixel> Default theme is similar but doesnt auto fade with mouse over
[23:02] <Spicypixel> smoke is different and zomg ponies scares me
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Then it is different, maybe changing the theme is what makes the notifications different
[23:02] <Spicypixel> yeah, its definitely a theme missing issue
[23:02] <Spicypixel> I think I accidentally installed something which installed notification-daemon which then reset it to gnome
[23:03] <Spicypixel> putting xfce-notifyd back in changed it back but now its the wrong theme
[23:03] <Spicypixel> kinda frustrating
[23:05] <Spicypixel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9465182
[23:05] <Spicypixel> this shined some light on the issue, but rebooting didnt restore the old theme
[23:09] <Spicypixel> relogging again
[23:11] <Spicypixel> yay, removing notification-daemon and xfce4-notifyd and installing notify-osd and its all good
[23:12] <Spicypixel> problem solved


[00:11] <The-Kernel> what's a good application to control my wireless connections?
[00:11] <The-Kernel> besides wifi-rader
[00:11] <The-Kernel> It works but eh...
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> gnome-network-manager?
[00:26] <Genelyk> bye
[01:11] <Odd-rationale> anom01y: what are you doing?
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> there he goes again...
[01:13] <zoredache> I think there must be network anomaly affecting him
[01:40] <MeanderingCode> hello....i was hoping for help in diagnosing why my XFCE startup hangs at "Starting Desktop Manager" after logging into GDM after killing X
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> MeanderingCode: what version of xubuntu?
[01:43] <MeanderingCode> Hardy
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i thought cody-somerville fixed that...
[01:44] <MeanderingCode> known bug?
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> sounds like...
[01:44] <MeanderingCode> sounds like what?
[01:45] <cody-somerville> MeanderingCode, can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc file?
[01:47] <MeanderingCode> cody-somerville:  one sec
[01:49] <MeanderingCode> http://pastebin.com/d4dc914cb
[01:59] <MeanderingCode> cody-somerville: what think you?
[02:00]  * cody-somerville has to jet but is very interested in the problem.
[02:00] <cody-somerville> be back on in 30 minuters or so
[02:01] <MeanderingCode> mkay
[02:01] <MeanderingCode> can i give you my email or somesuch?
[02:01] <MeanderingCode> i think i'm out, too
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> usually removing/renaming the ~/.cache and ~./config directories works...
[02:01] <MeanderingCode> Odd-rationale: ouch
[02:01] <MeanderingCode> on the ~/.config
[02:02] <MeanderingCode> cody-somerville?
[02:03] <Odd-rationale> if it doesn't work, you can rename them back...
[02:03] <MeanderingCode> what inside of .config is the key?  There's many-a-valuable-thing in there
[02:03] <MeanderingCode> i'd hate to have to redo it all
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> i think the xfce related folders...
[02:04] <MeanderingCode> just .config/xfce4?
[02:04] <Odd-rationale> i would think so...
[02:06] <MeanderingCode> would having changed the splash theme affected anything?
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> i don't think so...
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> but i really don't know a lot about this prob. i just once helped a guy log into a shell and remove his ~/.cache and ~./config dirs and it work... :|
[02:08] <MeanderingCode> where can i find out about this since i have no idea how to contact cody-somerville?
[02:09] <Odd-rationale> wait here...
[02:09] <Odd-rationale> he'll be back soon...
[02:09] <MeanderingCode> btw, powering off and back on worked
[02:09] <Odd-rationale> lol.
[02:09] <MeanderingCode> well, we'll see how long i can wait and how long it gets from there
[02:19] <charlie-tca> Looking for a little help here. Are windows partitions automounted when using the Xubuntu Live CD? I don't run windows at all
[02:20] <charlie-tca> I'm trying to triage a bug report on this
[02:20] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: i don't think so...
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[02:22] <charlie-tca> Odd-rationale: Should they be?
[02:22] <Odd-rationale> no
[02:22] <xaer0> hello
[02:25] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: Can you concur on the Live CD issue?
[02:27] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: no windows in the radious of 100 meters
[02:27] <TheSheep> radius
[02:28] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: thanks anyway.
[02:28] <xaer0> all this SCO stuff...
[02:28] <xaer0> didnt know there were linux and sco controversies....
[02:32] <xaer0> ... novell strikes me as getting greed, sooner or later
[02:48] <craigbass1976> In a command line, I can do an iwlist scan, iwconfig eth1 essid "networkname", ans dhclient eth1.  This will get me on the wireless network here.  However, I can't do it with wifi-radar (the GUI app)  How come?  Is there an app special for xubunt that works better?
[02:51] <craigbass1976> Anyone?
[03:05] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: the network-manager applet
[03:06] <craigbass1976> TheSheep, I'll have to wait until reboot is done.  I wrote a bash script and made a shortcut on the desktop, which works, but I'd rather not do that
[03:09] <craigbass1976> TheSheep, Ahh, much better
[03:09] <craigbass1976> Never had wifi-radar trouble before... wonder what gives
[07:22] <brianski> what's a simple, gedit-like text editor that is more in the xfce4 style?
[07:26] <brianski> scite, maybe?
[07:26] <zoredache> I use scite, but I don't know how xfce like it is...
[07:27] <zoredache> can you be more specific about what you mean when you say that?
[08:44] <brianski> zoredache: i'm basically just looking to avoid gedit, which seems bloated
[08:45] <brianski> at least, it seems bloated on this olpc xo-1 ;-)
[08:58] <zoredache> ah.. well I really like scite for a gui editor.  I tend to use vi quite a lot too
[09:26] <AlexCONRAD> any idea why the hell my mouse ball is not seen since I installed hardy 8.04.1 ?
[09:26] <AlexCONRAD> I got the cursor in the middle of the screen, but I can't move it
[09:27] <AlexCONRAD> USB mouse ball
[09:32] <AlexCONRAD> humm, it turns out that it's not working on another USB port... weired
[09:33] <AlexCONRAD> 2 ports don't work, the 3rd one does (haven't tried the 4th one, but I have an working external USB CDROM device pluged in here)
[12:05]  * AkshunBoi whistles
[12:35] <Vlack> how do I install rtl8187
[14:46] <Pici> !help
[14:59] <hellohector> anyone home ? xubuntu killed my machine :( i need help :(
[15:02] <hellohector> anyone ?
[15:17] <cody-somerville> hellohector, hi
[18:57] <slow-motion> hi
[18:57] <vinnl> Hey sloopy
[18:57] <vinnl> Sorry
[18:57] <vinnl> slow-motion I mean, of course :)
[18:58] <slow-motion> hi vinnl
[19:10] <vinnl> Hmm, does anyone know where (if anywhere) I can find the Xubuntu *8.04* desktop guide online?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/index.html
[19:15] <vinnl> Great, thanks charlie-tca!
[19:15] <charlie-tca> :)
[19:23] <lc2> vinnl: if you have specific questions we can always try to help out
[19:24] <vinnl> lc2, sure, but I'm writing a blog post on how to get help with Xubuntu ;-)
[19:24] <lc2> vinnl: oh :D
[19:24] <lc2> well here is usually a good bet
[19:24] <lc2> when we're not idle or drunk
[19:24] <vinnl> lc2, don't worry, I won't forget #xubuntu :)
[19:25] <lc2> :D
[19:25] <lc2> vinnl: i'm kinda biased, i came to xubuntu from freebsd and so everything seems so hopelessly easy to use that i never need to consult docs
[19:25] <vinnl> ^.^
[19:26] <lc2> it's like holy shit, i can plug in a usb device and *poof* it's on the desktop
[19:27] <vinnl> :)
[19:27] <lc2> i can unplug it, and plug it back in without a kernel panic!
[19:30] <lc2> you know, i used to really like making things as difficult as possible
[19:30] <lc2> i used to compile everything from source for that reason, and not use GUIs where i couldn't avoid it
[19:30] <lc2> i just got bored of that shit
[19:30] <lc2> it's how i ended up at xubuntu
[19:35] <vinnl> Hmm, can anybody give me some examples of very useful Xubuntu tutorials on the internet?
[19:35] <vinnl> (i.e. articles you've *really* found helpful)
[19:35] <lc2> i wish i could
[19:35] <zoredache> I haven't had or needed any
[19:35] <lc2> after i installed it, it just worked for me
[19:35] <vinnl> Hehe, that's nice too :P
[19:35] <lc2> everything seems pretty obvious to me
[19:36] <zoredache> Some of the most common questions here are about smb browsing, themes, and compiz
[19:36] <lc2> compiz is made of fail and aids
[19:36] <lc2> imho
[19:36] <lc2> :D
[19:36] <vinnl> Hmm, I don't want to link to myself, and I've wrote articles on the last two :P
[19:37] <lc2> vinnl: link away
[19:37] <zoredache> yes well I agree, but people keep asking about it again and again
[19:37] <vinnl> So what would be a good article on smb browsing?
[19:37] <lc2> does thunar even support smb browsing?
[19:37] <vinnl> zoredache, that's why I'm writing the blog entry :P
[19:37] <vinnl> lc2, not by default I believe
[19:37] <lc2> oh
[19:37] <eca> i have a usb hd 500 gb thats acting real slow, the name has a space in it "freeagent drive" does that affect performance?
[19:37] <lc2> well that fails
[19:37] <lc2> ;\
[19:38] <eca> its full of 200mb tiff files, i cant copy 1 of them
[19:38] <zoredache> most people eventuall find http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[19:38] <vinnl> eca, I don't know exact numbers, but I've never noticed any difference with spaces
[19:38] <vinnl> zoredache, and that works?
[19:38] <zoredache> yes
[19:38] <vinnl> lc2, I believe Cody is working on getting that fixed for 8.10 :)
[19:38] <vinnl> Thanks zoredache :)
[19:38] <zoredache> they have un-needed steps though, and don't mention the security issue they create
[19:38] <eca> i remember having to use underscores instead of spaces, is that correct?
[19:39] <eca> when cd to directory
[19:39] <vinnl> zoredache, hmm, I don't want to link it if it poses a security issue :(
[19:39] <vinnl> eca, you can prepend it with a \ I believe
[19:39] <eca> k ty
[19:39] <vinnl> eca, e.g. "cd /media/freeagent\ drive"
[19:39] <vinnl> (Not sure though)
[19:40] <vinnl> Yep, that's the way to do it :)
[19:40] <zoredache> vinnl: basically it suggest that you have to store your smb passwords (unencrypted) in a config file...  I think that is a bad idea
[19:40] <eca> yes that works
[19:40] <lc2> zoredache: not necessarily
[19:41] <lc2> anyone that can get sufficient access on your system to read a 700'd config file is more than likely going to be able to install a keylogger or whatever
[19:42] <zoredache> ah, but I would prefer everybody install there systems with the 'encrypted-lvm' option...
[19:42] <lc2> that would only protect against an exploit that would allow someone to read arbitrary files under a certain uid but *not* to execute commands
[19:42] <lc2> on a non-server system, the odds of that are minimal
[19:42] <lc2> but wat do i no lol
[19:42] <vinnl> zoredache, where does it mention storing your smb passwords in a config file?
[19:43] <zoredache> a few posts in, and in the fusesmb man page
[19:43] <vinnl> Ah, OK
[19:43] <vinnl> zoredache, does the original post work for Hardy?
[19:45] <zoredache> vinnl: you can skip step 1,3,6.7
[19:45] <zoredache> but yes
[19:46] <vinnl> OK, thanks
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I guess it's time to ask. Using Xubuntu 7.10, I somehow got all of my directories and files sorting from
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Z to A in Thunar. How do I flip that sort order. I like A on top.
[20:01] <vinnl> charlie-tca, in Thunar, View->Arrange Items->Ascending
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Can't, I don't have Arrange Items
[20:02] <vinnl> That's odd
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Yea, I thought it odd when they reversed.
[20:02] <vinnl> That's really odd
[20:03] <lc2> wtf.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> New one, huh?
[20:04] <lc2> yes.
[20:04] <lc2> yes it is.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> very irritating, too.
[20:30] <davejustdave> hi all new (again) to ubuntu
[20:31] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:31] <davejustdave> I'm trying to get some help to connect to my office network to use the shared printer
[20:33] <davejustdave> ummm anyone here? kinda quiet
[20:34] <lc2> you didn't really ask a question
[20:34] <lc2> and i'm about ready to pass out, having slept four hours in three days
[20:34] <lc2> but go for it
[20:34] <davejustdave> thanks here we go
[20:35] <davejustdave> trying to connect to a hp deskjet 3930...
[20:35] <davejustdave> but the driver list that comes standard with xubuntu has driver for 3920 or others not actually the 3930
[20:36] <lc2> davejustdave: try the driver for the 3920
[20:36] <davejustdave> so i downloaded a (supposedly) self installer but my shell says it cant open it
[20:36] <davejustdave> tried the 3920 it got to the spool but would never print
[20:36] <lc2> davejustdave: what does it say when you try to open it? what command are you typing? etc
[20:37] <davejustdave> was pasteing intructions from xubuntu help site...
[20:37] <lc2> you need to tell me what error you get when you do what it says
[20:38] <davejustdave> dave@dave-desktop:~$ hplip-2.8.6.run
[20:38] <davejustdave> bash: hplip-2.8.6.run: command not found
[20:38] <davejustdave> dave@dave-desktop:~$
[20:38] <lc2> davejustdave: we're not in DOS anymore, toto
[20:39] <lc2> the current working directory is not part of the path
[20:39] <lc2> you need to do ./hplip-2.8.6.run
[20:39] <lc2> you may need to: chmod 755 hplip-2.8.6.run
[20:39] <davejustdave> bash: ./hplip-2.8.6.run: No such file or directory
[20:39] <davejustdave> dave@dave-desktop:~$
[20:39] <lc2> before you do that
[20:39] <lc2> davejustdave: you need to figure out where it download it to
[20:39] <lc2> downloaded it*
[20:40] <lc2> probably in Desktop/
[20:40] <davejustdave> its on my desktop
[20:40] <lc2> i.e.: cd Desktop; chmod 755 hplip-2.8.6.run; ./hplip-2.8.6.run
[20:40] <lc2> but wat do i no lol
[20:40] <davejustdave> paste that whole line after cd desktop;   ?
[20:41] <lc2> from cd desktop; and onwards
[20:42] <davejustdave> sweet seems to be working
[20:42] <lc2> unless you explicitly open a file with mode 755, you won't have an executable, and since there's no semantic data exchanged between the server and your browser to tell you that it *should* be executable, so you have to explicitly chmod it to 755 (world executable/readable, global executable/readable)
[20:42] <davejustdave> oops hers another problem
[20:42] <lc2> BUT WAT DO I NO LOL
[20:42] <davejustdave> every time it asks me for password it wil not allow me to type anything
[20:42] <lc2> (open a file when you create it, that is)
[20:43] <lc2> davejustdave: yes it does
[20:43] <lc2> you just can't see yourself typing
[20:43] <davejustdave> it just dont show it ahhh
[20:43] <lc2> (a feature, not a bug)
[20:43] <davejustdave> running again
[20:44] <vinnl> davejustdave, you should be able to right click the file and under the "Permissions" tab select "Allow to run as executable" or something along those lines
[20:44] <lc2> or that lol
[20:44] <davejustdave> didnt try anything like that (new to linux)
[20:45] <davejustdave> right click the dowload choose properties then permissions tab
[20:46] <davejustdave> it doesnt seem to allow changes
[20:46] <davejustdave> on that tab
[20:46] <vinnl> davejustdave, who is the owner?
[20:46] <davejustdave> me
[20:46] <vinnl> davejustdave, is that what it says on that tab?
[20:47] <davejustdave> yup owner = dave
[20:50] <vinnl> And what access to you have?
[20:50] <davejustdave> its my computer i installed xubuntu yesterday
[20:50] <davejustdave> i can smaxh it with a hammer if i want
[20:50] <vinnl> davejustdave, no, I mean, there's an "Access" heading below that :)
[20:51] <davejustdave> read and  write but... ther is no ooptions on the access section
[20:52] <davejustdave> when terminal is done should i just try to print something or go to the network setup
[20:52] <lc2> davejustdave: go to the network/printer/whatever setup you went to before
[20:53] <davejustdave> and look for the driver with the correct model #?
[20:53] <lc2> yes
[21:01] <slow-motion> good night
[21:01] <davejustdave> gnite
[21:23] <lc2> TacticalPenguin
[21:23] <lc2> i like that name
[21:23] <TacticalPenguin> thanks lol
[21:24] <TacticalPenguin> so i have this old laptop
[21:24] <TacticalPenguin> 233mhz pentium 2 with 96MB of ram and a 3gb hdd if i remember the specs right
[21:24] <TacticalPenguin> would a lightened up xubuntu install run on that or should i try something lighter like puppy?
[21:24] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: i'd try something lighter
[21:24] <TacticalPenguin> k
[21:24] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: you might get away with using the alternate install
[21:25] <lc2> and for the love of God keep away from firefox
[21:25] <lc2> haha
[21:25] <TacticalPenguin> yea haha
[21:25] <TacticalPenguin> the alt install is the simple text installer rather than livecd, correct?
[21:25] <lc2> yes
[21:25] <TacticalPenguin> k thanks
[21:25] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: i'm not sure, but, i think it gives you more control over what you install
[21:26] <TacticalPenguin> yea i seem to recall seeing it having several more than the standard 7 pages
[21:26] <lc2> oh good
[21:27] <lc2> you might even want to try another window manager, depending on what you want to do with it
[21:27] <lc2> windowmaker comes to mind
[21:28] <TacticalPenguin> im not quite sure yet, ill either use it as just an old internet computer or if that doesnt work out ill put something WAY light on it and turn it into a LAMP server
[21:29] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: if you're not planning to run some gtk+ app near-constantly, then it'd be worth switching
[21:29] <AlexJP> hey
[21:29] <lc2> like to windowmaker (i miss it)
[21:29] <lc2> hi AlexJP :)
[21:29] <AlexJP> hey charlie
[21:29] <TacticalPenguin> hmmm
[21:29] <vinnl> Hey AlexJP
[21:29] <lc2> charlie?
[21:29] <AlexJP> hey winnl
[21:29] <lc2> haha
[21:29] <lc2> random names :D
[21:29] <TacticalPenguin> how much lighter is flux than xfce?
[21:30] <lc2> AlexJP: you can call me lawrence
[21:30] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: that depends
[21:30] <AlexJP> im on the internet, wirelessy and using xubuntu!
[21:30] <AlexJP> something worked
[21:30] <AlexJP> lol ok lawrence
[21:30] <vinnl> AlexJP, yay! :)
[21:30] <vinnl> lc2, I think he meant -tca :)
[21:30] <TacticalPenguin> haha im usually running eeexubuntu
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Hello
[21:30] <AlexJP> i dont know what worked, but hey
[21:31] <TacticalPenguin> got it on an SD card, but currently using the default eee pc xandros since i needed some storage space and thus a different SD card
[21:31] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: if you're using *any* GTK+ app near constantly, then you lose nearly nothing by xfce (as compared to nothing) because of the way shared libraries work
[21:31] <lc2> AlexJP: happy to hear that :D
[21:31] <AlexJP> lc2 what irc app are you using?
[21:31] <AlexJP> some messages you send are red
[21:31] <lc2> AlexJP: irssi (terminal client)
[21:31] <AlexJP> cool
[21:31] <TacticalPenguin> probably because he puts your name in them
[21:32] <TacticalPenguin> and yours highlights them since theyre to you
[21:32] <AlexJP> oh
[21:32] <AlexJP> i see
[21:32] <lc2> yes :)
[21:32]  * charlie-tca :0
[21:32] <lc2> AlexJP: see?
[21:32] <AlexJP> so you type my name out every time you write a message?
[21:32]  * charlie-tca :)
[21:32] <AlexJP> to me*
[21:32] <vinnl> AlexJP, and you can type the first letters of a name and press <tab> to have ti completed :)
[21:32] <vinnl> *it
[21:32] <lc2> AlexJP: no, i type the...yeah what vinnl said
[21:32] <vinnl> xD
[21:32] <AlexJP> :)
[21:33] <AlexJP> vinnl, i see now
[21:33] <vinnl> :)
[21:33] <AlexJP> this is better than mirc
[21:33] <TacticalPenguin> pidgin does that tab trick as well
[21:33] <TacticalPenguin> i just never use it
[21:33] <lc2> i should switch to a nice GTK client just as i switched to nice GUI things for everything else, but meh
[21:33] <AlexJP> nah i didnt like the look of pidgin
[21:33] <TacticalPenguin> but for other aspects pidgin sucks
[21:33] <lc2> irssi is so deeply rooted in my workflow
[21:33] <AlexJP> lol you use irc for work?
[21:33] <TacticalPenguin> i use it since it runs on almost any OS you find
[21:33] <TacticalPenguin> and its simple
[21:33] <lc2> AlexJP: and by "work" i mean "fucking off"
[21:34] <lc2> "workflow" is a shorthand way of saying "the way i do things"
[21:34] <vinnl> Btw, people, perhaps this discussion should move to #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:34] <AlexJP> cool
[21:34] <lc2> vinnl: never
[21:35] <AlexJP> i realised why this is working now anyway
[21:35] <AlexJP> i turned off the wep
[21:35] <lc2> haha
[21:35] <lc2> not good
[21:35] <AlexJP> well, i thought all people can do is use my internet right?
[21:35] <AlexJP> and its not limite in anyway so i just left it
[21:35] <lc2> AlexJP: and read everything you send without encryption
[21:36] <TacticalPenguin> hahahaha
[21:36] <AlexJP> but my data is sent to the router ?
[21:36] <TacticalPenguin> alex you NEED to at LEAST have WEP
[21:36] <vinnl> lc2, but who does that?
[21:36] <TacticalPenguin> vinni its called wireshark
[21:36] <lc2> indeed.
[21:36] <vinnl> TacticalPenguin, I know, but I know of nobody in my neighbourhood who'd use it
[21:36] <vinnl> (Except for me, of course :P)
[21:36] <TacticalPenguin> driveby hacking
[21:37] <lc2> wireless sucks anyway
[21:37] <vinnl> Who'd drive through my street, in my little town, just to see what I'm browsing?
[21:37] <AlexJP> isnt the data addressed to the router though
[21:37] <TacticalPenguin> not really, my connection isnt fast enough for wifi to be a bottleneck lol
[21:37] <lc2> AlexJP: it doesn't matter
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I get laughed often just for strong passwords
[21:37] <vinnl> AlexJP, it's about catching the wireless signal
[21:37] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: it's a bottleneck if you're talking to other computers on the network
[21:37] <TacticalPenguin> vinni its still a huge security issue
[21:37] <lc2> it's all about the cat5e, baby.
[21:37] <AlexJP> ok, what about data on ssl pages?
[21:37] <AlexJP> cant read that right?
[21:38] <lc2> AlexJP: mostly, yes
[21:38] <vinnl> TacticalPenguin, I know you connection *can* be eavesdropped, I'm just wondering whether it *will*
[21:38] <TacticalPenguin> lc2 my network has 3 comps, my eee pc, a VAIO, and that old comp
[21:38] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: my network has two other computers
[21:38] <vinnl> Passwords is another thing of course, as hacking those don't need physical access
[21:38] <vinnl> s/physical access/being close by/
[21:38] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: and i kinda like the look of wiring mess ;\
[21:38] <AlexJP> lol
[21:38] <TacticalPenguin> lc2 i dont do any big network fileserving or communication or anything
[21:38] <AlexJP> ok ill try and get it on with wpa
[21:38] <TacticalPenguin> so i dont really need to get rid of the wireless bottleneck
[21:38] <lc2> TacticalPenguin: i still prefer wired connections
[21:39] <TacticalPenguin> all 3 are on wireless anyways
[21:39] <AlexJP> btw: is wpa2 supported by xubuntu in any way?
[21:39] <vinnl> AlexJP, it's supposed to, yes
[21:39] <AlexJP> lol
[21:39] <lc2> AlexJP: i'm guessing that's handled by the card, not by the OS
[21:39] <lc2> but wat do i no lol
[21:39]  * vinnl remembers fiddling with wpa_supplicant and what not until I was told my *card* did not support WPA :S
[21:39] <AlexJP> well, it would seem that you have to have drivers that support it or some such
[21:39] <TacticalPenguin> the OS has to have drivers so that the card CAN do that
[21:39] <lc2> not really.
[21:39] <vinnl> (That was before networkmanager was included and network-admin suppoted WPA)
[21:40] <AlexJP> how come for wpa support you must install wpa_supplicant then?
[21:40] <TacticalPenguin> because the linux gods said so
[21:40] <AlexJP> lol
[21:40] <AlexJP> dont suppose anyone knows about setting up wpa on x
[21:41] <TacticalPenguin> well im off to find new distractions to prevent productivity
[21:41] <TacticalPenguin> cya
[21:41] <AlexJP> by x i mean xubuntu but thats long
[21:41] <vinnl> AlexJP, I've been fiddling with it a while ago, but I'm not really up to date
[21:41] <vinnl> AlexJP, it should just be a matter of entering the passphrase
[21:41] <vinnl> Just like with WEP
[21:41] <AlexJP> do you reckon itd just be a case of doing it in wicd?
[21:42] <AlexJP> i think my previous problem was with dhcp
[21:42] <AlexJP> wlan0 wasnt getting any dhcp offers when i ran dhlient wlan0
[21:42] <AlexJP> just timing out
[21:42] <vinnl> AlexJP, see http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/internet.html#security
[21:42] <AlexJP> ps: sorry about the multi lines thing again, i really need to sort that out
[21:43] <vinnl> AlexJP, I believe wicd supported WPA
[21:43] <vinnl> But you'd have to check
[21:43] <AlexJP> it does, but it has a bit saying choose wpa driver, i didnt know whether to choose ndiswrapper or what
[21:44] <vinnl> AlexJP, are you using ndiswrapper?
[21:44] <lc2> ndiswrapper is a linux kernel wrapper around windows drivers, basically a driver compatibility layer for network cards
[21:44] <vinnl> (You'd know if you're using it :)
[21:44] <lc2> it's also a good way to make your kernel fuck itself more than a camwhore
[21:44] <AlexJP> i am using it
[21:44] <vinnl> Then you'd select that, I guess
[21:45] <AlexJP> ok i didnt know if that was, in fact, the wpa driver, wasnt sure if wpa_supplicant was a driveR?
[21:46] <AlexJP> lc2, 1: is there something wrong with ndiswrapper? 2: whats a camwhore?
[21:46] <lc2> AlexJP: 1) yes 2) long story
[21:46] <vinnl> AlexJP, if ndiswrapper is listed as one of the options I'd say you need to select it :)
[21:47] <vinnl> Hmm, this isn't a good moment to take a screenshot of IRC :(
[21:48] <lc2> vinnl: haha :D
[21:48] <vinnl> :S
[21:48] <AlexJP> hang on ill google it
[21:50] <AlexJP> i see
[21:50] <AlexJP> if this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_whore is what you were refering to?
[21:50] <AlexJP> lol
[21:52] <AlexJP> is there anyway to use xchat in to servers sumultaneously?
[21:52] <AlexJP> as if i had another channel up?
[21:52] <AlexJP> rater than a new instance
[21:52] <AlexJP> rather*
[21:52] <vinnl> AlexJP, you mean to join multiple channels or multiple servers?
[21:52] <vinnl> With me they just open in a new tab
[21:53] <vinnl> xD
[22:26] <evilbug> i have an issue with xubuntu only working at 1024x800 on my desktop [nvidia geforce 4 mx]. it worked at 1280x1024 with ubuntu and yes, i have the restricted drivers installed.
[22:27] <vinnl> evilbug, have you tried displayconfig-gtk?
[22:28] <evilbug> testing...
[22:31] <soul_786> What are the main differences between Ubuntu and Xubuntu?
[22:31] <vinnl> soul_786, you can read that on xubuntu.org I believe
[22:32] <vinnl> soul_786, basically, the whole desktop environment and default applications
[22:32] <vinnl> !xubuntu
[22:32] <cody-somerville> soul_786, Xubuntu uses the Xfce4 desktop environment :)
[22:33] <soul_786> Is it a matter of preference that people choose ubuntu or Xubuntu? I'm going to install one or the other on my eeepc and just want the one that'll run better on a small HD
[22:33] <vinnl> Yep, it's a matter of preference and sometimes necessity
[22:34] <evilbug> vinnl- setting my monitor as a 1280x1024 just messes up my entire resolution.
[22:35] <vinnl> evilbug, messes up as in..?
[22:35] <evilbug> it starts displaying at 800x600 and totally ignores the restricted driver.
[22:35] <vinnl> Darn it
[22:36] <cody-somerville> evilbug, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[22:37] <cody-somerville> then restart X
[22:37] <evilbug> what's the "phgih" for?
[22:37] <cody-somerville> priority high
[22:38] <vinnl> I'm off to bed, good luck ;-)
[22:38] <evilbug> "package xserver-xorg-phigh is not installed"
[22:38] <vinnl> evilbug, space before -phigh :)
[22:38] <evilbug> ah.
[22:39] <vinnl> Bye :)
[22:42] <evilbug> cody-somerville- still no luck, max res. = 1024x800
[22:42] <cody-somerville> How do you know?
[22:43] <evilbug> it is showing me and i know the difference between the two.
[22:45] <cody-somerville> evilbug, What is showing?
[22:45] <evilbug> the display settings.
[22:46] <cody-somerville> Are you restarting the x-server after every change?
[22:46] <evilbug> yes.
[22:46] <cody-somerville> Also, is applications > settings > settings manager > display set at default?
[22:47] <evilbug> yes.


[11:45] <manuvakery1_> Hi . It is noticed that in case of ubuntu18 instance when created with --config-drive true option, the vendor data file /var/lib/cloud/instance/vendor-data.txt was found empty.
[11:45] <manuvakery1_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JSDvFU5E/cloud_folder_content
[11:46] <manuvakery1_> the /var/lib/cloud/instance symlink is wrongly pointed here
[11:47] <manuvakery1_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HEf10hpn/load_data_source
[11:49] <manuvakery1_> when it looking for data source that matches dependencies ['FILESYSTEM', 'NETWORK'] it reutns the  DataSourceNone object
[11:50] <manuvakery1_> in case of other distributions(Ubuntu20 or higher) i don't see the second data source lookup
[11:51] <manuvakery1_> this is what I see in the logs for ubuntu20.4
[11:51] <manuvakery1_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oKUEkaGB/cloud-init-log
[11:52] <manuvakery1_> I am trying this on Openstack environment
[16:29] <chrizz61> hi, can someone confirm the error on debian bullseye cloud image, setting the locale via locale: "de_DE.UTF-8" ends up in python stacktrace?
[16:32] <chrizz61> hm, anyway same issue on buster