[00:32] <flexiondotorg> tjaalton: Will you be syncing libinput 1.10.3-2 from Debian to Ubuntu?
[00:33] <flexiondotorg> Looking at upstream changes, it appears it resolves fixes pointer jitter detection, something I'm seeing people bumping into in the Ubuntu MATE community on some models of trackpad.
[01:19]  * tsimonq2 files bug 1757024
[02:16] <jdonald> For https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1711337
[02:17] <jdonald> Now that we have a diagnosis and a proposed fix to go from Firefox not-running to running, can we get the Importance set to Medium or High?
[05:19] <tjaalton> flexiondotorg: yes
[07:52] <tjaalton> flexiondotorg: why not?
[08:05] <Mirv> tjaalton: bug #1756380 might be interesting to target for fixing for release. if Firefox finally gets VA-API enabled during 18.04 LTS lifetime, this would affect quite a lot of Youtube playback
[08:06] <tjaalton> Mirv: yes, I'm trying to find the debian maintainers..
[08:06] <tjaalton> to update it to 2.1
[08:06] <tjaalton> which is needed for cannonlake anyway
[08:06] <Mirv> I wish it'd be lowNMU
[08:12] <tjaalton> it's team maintained
[09:14] <dja> doko: quick question re: python packaging - the microsoft folk who do walinuxagent want to add a dependency on python3-distro. walinuxagent is in main and python3-distro is in universe - do you think a MIR for python3-distro would be likely to be acceptable?
[09:20] <doko> dja: it's a simple module, why not. but then, why would you add that in a package? sic ...
[09:22] <dja> doko: walinuxgent gets info about the distro to configure itself properly. The python standard library is dropping the functions that walinuxagent uses, and python3-distro is the what they want to use to replace it.
[09:25] <dja> they raised a support case with us - the proposed pull request is https://github.com/Azure/WALinuxAgent/pull/1036 and they wanted to know if that approach would work for us
[09:36] <doko> dja: yes, it took me a long time to get it out of the standard library ;p
[09:56] <themill> slangasek: we talked about ktikz in the context of poppler-qt4 a while back. The new qt5-only version has been released and migrated to buster now. Can you (or someone else) update bionic to that version?
[12:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Hi, can a one line patch on intel vaapi driver be backported to 16.04?
[12:54] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the official intel patch on the vaapi driver https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/commit/9d66570032fb02b1e79a883af7697b035d700a8e
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the bug report on the issue on the official git page https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/issues/297
[13:10] <apw> has anyone mentioned issues with encrypted disks and needing to installl libblkdev-crypto2 ?
[13:12] <jbicha> apw: see LP: #1754422
[13:14] <apw> jbicha, should we not start recommending it too as functionality is broken without it, even if that makes it ping on the components missmatch?
[13:15] <jbicha> what do you mean "broken"? is is broken compared to 17.10?
[13:16] <apw> jbicha, seth just upgraded and lost the ability to mount encrypted sticks, which he had before the upgrade
[13:16] <apw> jbicha, i am assuming from the upgrade list on my box, i will fall into the same hole if i hit return on the upgrade too
[13:18] <apw> jbicha, i am going assume it was the libblockdev which dropped into -release on the 13-mar which was the issue
[13:19] <jbicha> well it's blocked on Security review so if Seth is affected by the issue … ;)
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Hi, can a one line patch on intel vaapi driver be backported to 16.04?
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the official intel patch on the vaapi driver https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/commit/9d66570032fb02b1e79a883af7697b035d700a8e
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd>  this is the bug report on the issue on the official git page https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/issues/297
[13:21] <juliank> I think there was some discussion about that yesterday
[13:21] <juliank> tjaalton: ^
[13:22] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: generally though, asking twice in thirty minutes does not improve your chances of getting an answer.
[13:22] <tjaalton> needs an sru bug too
[13:23] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: I do not intend to , but I was trying to talk to the active persons here
[13:23] <apw> jbicha, that seems backwards, but hey
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: were you tell me that there discussions regarding the bug I addressed?
[13:24] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: just because some people talk about different things does not mean they want to talk about your thing. IRC is a slow medium
[13:25] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: I think so, there was a lot of chatter about i965-va-driver yesterday
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: wow, thats great
[13:25] <tjaalton> but not about this
[13:25] <tjaalton> bionic
[13:25] <juliank> I did see a link to it somewhere :D
[13:26] <tjaalton> which I just uploaded
[13:26] <juliank> was it in #debian-devel?
[13:26] <tjaalton> that too :)
[13:26] <tjaalton> and #ubuntu-release
[13:26] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: ya, I updated the bug report and I had been pushing for that for a long time
[13:26] <tjaalton> it's all over the place
[13:27] <juliank> that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1756459 I think?
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: ya that one's mine
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: also I updated another one pointing to 18.04
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1756380
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: thanks for the channel names, I missed those
[13:30] <tjaalton> my upload to bionic fixes 1756380
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: uploaded?
[13:31] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/2.1.0-0ubuntu1
[13:31]  * juliank marked the bug as fix committed to keep track of things
[13:32] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: what about backporting a one line patch to 16.04 so that the vlc devs can rebuilt their vlc snap and the bug is gone?
[13:32] <tjaalton> phoenix_firebrd: your bug only mentions 17.10
[13:32] <juliank> xenial runs 1.7, and that's what snaps use
[13:33] <juliank> (xenial)
[13:33] <juliank> So if the VLC developers ship 1.8 in their snap they have to fix it themselves
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: aweosme work about fixing bug on 18.04, thank you so much
[13:35] <juliank> unless 1.7 is affected too
[13:35] <jbicha> apw: adding the recommends without the approved mir isn't a very good workaround because my understanding is that it will fix the problem for upgraders but not for new installs from now on
[13:35] <juliank> and they use that
[13:35] <tjaalton> I need to run now, but the bug needs to be properly targeted
[13:35] <tjaalton> and with a SRU header etc so that it won't get rejected from the queue once sponsored etc
[13:35] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: Please figure out which versions are affected, and provide test cases and stuff according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[13:35] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:36] <eoli3n> i'm searching for the path of "ubuntu 16.04 LTS" logo printed on 16.04 unity greeter please -> https://ptpb.pw/Qu0L.png
[13:38] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: tjaalton can you people come to #videolan for a min, we will talk to a dev there? I said I will come back to him/her after talking to you people? You people together talk to and come to a solution
[13:42] <manuelschneid3r> is this the correct channel for 1804 dicussions?
[13:44] <Faux> No, #ubuntu+1.
[13:45]  * thresh waves
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: juliank, thresh is a videolan developer. I would like you guys to discuss about backporting a driver patch to 16.04
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: juliank thresh  this is the bug report on the issue on the official git page https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/issues/297
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> tjaalton: juliank thresh  this is the official intel patch on the vaapi driver https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/commit/9d66570032fb02b1e79a883af7697b035d700a8e
[13:48]  * juliank preparing lunch. will be back in ~5min
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> thresh would like to have you guys backport the above one line patch so that he can rebuild the vlc snap with the fixed driver
[13:52] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: thresh: As explained before, we need to know which versions are affected. The bug only talks about artful (1.8), but snaps are built from xenial (1.7).
[13:53] <juliank> And apart from figuring out which releases are affected, we need test cases to verify that the uploads fix the bug
[13:53] <juliank> which is all documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> do any of you guys have an intel kabylake processor or newer?
[13:56] <thresh> I don't
[13:56] <juliank> I have the lasted and greatest i5-8250u
[13:56] <juliank> :D
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: does it have VP9 decoding profile?
[13:57] <thresh> (still waiting for Lenovo to start selling T480 here)
[13:57] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: I have no idea
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: vainfo?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: If it supports, can you try playing a downloaded youtube video(or any video encoded in VP9 codec) using vlc snap?
[13:58] <juliank> does not say anything about vp9 right now, but might need the just uploaded fix (I'm on bionic) - but then it works anyway
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank:  can you try playing a downloaded youtube video(or any video encoded in VP9 codec) using vlc snap?
[14:01] <juliank> But its HD620 should support it
[14:02] <Laney> eoli3n: it's generated in unity-greeter itself
[14:02] <Laney> ends up as /usr/share/unity-greeter/logo.png but look at debian/rules
[14:03] <Laney> if you're talking about updating it for 18.04, I think Trevinho has a merge proposal for that
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: I checked the intel page and also the wikipedia page, yours is a kabylake processor and it supports VP9 profile
[14:03] <eoli3n> thx Laney i migrated to slick-greeter on 18.04 daylibuild
[14:03] <Trevinho> Laney: it should be landed no?
[14:04] <Laney> nope
[14:04] <Laney> one of the mps wasn't approved
[14:04] <Laney> going now
[14:04] <eoli3n> is there anyway to generate it outside of unity-greeter, which will probably disapear ?
[14:04] <eoli3n> by the way, slick-greeter is far away better
[14:05] <eoli3n> i can configure with a single conf file
[14:05] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: probably have to switch from wayland to xorg, because it fails with libva error: va_getDriverName() failed with operation failed,driver_name=i965
[14:05] <Laney> you can get the program that unity-greeter uses from its source probably
[14:05] <jbicha> eoli3n: Unity requires unity-greeter for its lockscreen I believe
[14:05] <Trevinho> Laney: ah ok.. I thought you already published it :-P
[14:05] <Laney> I did but it failed and I didn't notice
[14:06] <eoli3n> jbicha: unity is dead
[14:06] <juliank> In any case a snap is not a valid reproducer for an SRU, we need to validate it some other way anyway
[14:06] <eoli3n> that was my ansible role to configure unity-greeter.... -> https://ptpb.pw/2Vep
[14:06] <eoli3n> what a mess
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: you get that error in vlc or on your host?
[14:07] <jbicha> eoli3n: in that case, why don't you use gdm3?
[14:07] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: that's the snap
[14:07] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: host fails with [00007fac7002f150] vaapi generic error: profile(19) is not supported
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: ok, I will test the patch on the 1.7 version of the driver in 16.04
[14:08] <juliank> because broken vaapi driver :D
[14:08] <eoli3n> jbicha: because i don't want to reconfigure entire display manager before 18.04 official release
[14:08] <eoli3n> i will probably
[14:08] <eoli3n> but not for now
[14:08] <jbicha> Trevinho: you might need something like https://github.com/ArcticaProject/arctica-greeter/pull/9 (if you didn't already fix that issue)
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: thats the current bug
[14:08] <juliank> yeah
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: when will the daily iso reflect the fix?
[14:09] <Trevinho> jbicha: that's already fixed
[14:09] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: first it needs to migrate out of proposed to release, not sure if there are tests to run
[14:10] <juliank> if not, it should be pretty fast.
[14:10] <juliank> not sure when the images are built, but within the next 2 days?
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: ok. If i test the said patch with the 16.04 and update it in a bug report, is there a possibility that it will be backported to 16.04?
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: ok
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> thresh: a question was raised that why not the vlc team instead use a patched driver, who do you say?
[14:12] <phoenix_firebrd> *what do you say?
[14:12] <cpaelzer> bdrung: any updates on bug 1753938 - there was a reply yesterday which looked more like a nack still
[14:14] <jbicha> didrocks: I'd like to flip the order of the installer screen https://thishosting.rocks/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-installation.jpg
[14:14] <jbicha> to put Download updates at the top (since it's pre-checked), then Install third-party software, then Minimal installation, what do you think?
[14:17] <didrocks> jbicha: something to discuss with mpt, but I think it makes sense
[14:17] <didrocks> jbicha: I would rather be personnaly go with that order: download updates/minimal/3rd party
[14:18] <didrocks> jbicha: also, ask the kubuntu teams to potentially have the same order there
[14:18] <thresh> phoenix_firebrd, I'm not going to build a patch just for that, it's up to Ubuntu to fix it upstream
[14:18] <thresh> s/build a patch/build a driver/
[14:18] <jbicha> I'm fine with that order too
[14:19] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: please read the wiki page I linked twice and try to follow the layout. I can
[14:19] <juliank> phoenix_firebrd: We can do that too, worst case, but at least figure out that both 16.04 and 17.10 are affected
[14:20] <juliank> [00007fac7002f150] vaapi generic error: profile(19) is not supported
[14:20] <juliank> mpv https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Big_Buck_Bunny_alt.webm
[14:20] <juliank> is a simple test case for me
[14:20] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: I am very sure it affects 17.10 and I tested the patch too
[14:20] <juliank> same with vlc, but that gets other issues
[14:21] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: that bug report on bug affecting 17.10 was created by me
[14:21] <juliank> that's not the point
[14:21] <juliank> the point is to figure out whether 16.04 is affected
[14:21] <juliank> the bug only talks about 17.10 and 1.8
[14:21] <juliank> again, xenial ships 1.7
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: ok I will check that out, I will be back with the result later
[14:22] <juliank> Most importantly, we need a test file/link to check against
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> juliank: tjaalton thresh thanks a lot you people
[14:23] <mpt> jbicha, making minimal install a checkbox introduces the problem “As opposed to what?” What happens when someone leaves it unchecked? Moving the checkbox doesn’t solve that problem. That’s why I designed it as a pair of ratio buttons instead. <https://goo.gl/DqtvZL>
[14:23] <mpt> *radio buttons
[14:25] <juliank> thresh: don't you want to upgrade the vaapi driver to 2.1 or something anyway to get support for cannonlake? Or just wait for the 18.04 core and rebase on that?
[14:25] <juliank> I guess there's still time :D
[14:26] <jbicha> mpt: ok, that would be a bit better. The current implementation feels to me like it strongly suggests the Minimal installation which I didn't think was our intent
[14:27] <mpt> jbicha, agreed
[14:28] <didrocks> jbicha: are you going to change it to this?
[14:29] <jbicha> it's on my to-do list to take a look at it, yes
[14:30] <thresh> juliank, I cant upgrade to anything newer than 16.04, or my snaps won't be accepted to snap store.
[14:30] <thresh> juliank, I can wait for 18.04, but that's going to take at least half a year, and very likely more than that, for snap core to get 18.04 there.
[14:31] <juliank> I was just curious about cannonlake :D
[14:31] <juliank> but it's still basically a year to go, so by then that should be ready and we focus on fixing VP9 now :-)
[14:34] <ogra_> thresh, you are completely neglecting the advantage of snaps with that ... the good thing about snbaps is that you definitely can do such stuff (and should)
[14:34] <rbasak> thresh: I build snaps in a container, so the release installed on my host doesn't matter.
[14:34] <juliank> thresh: Basically my question is how you want to deal with new hardware that requires newer vaapi drivers in the snap than there exist in the archive. cannonlake end of this year is one example, can probably base snaps on 18.04 by then; but icelake in 2019 might need another driver update. It's something to think about now-ish rather than when it happens
[14:34] <ogra_> thresh, (talking about the "i wont build my own driver" )
[14:35] <Mirv> my guess was that since vlc snap already includes self-compiled whole Qt 5.10, compiling newer libva + i965-va-driver as well would not be a bad idea for the snap
[14:35] <juliank> I don't have any problem with them not building their own driver, but then someone likely needs to do hwe updates for vaapi drivers
[14:36] <thresh> ogra_, with what?
[14:36] <juliank> it might be worthwhile anyway :)
[14:36] <thresh> rbasak, me too, I don't even run Ubuntu on a host that build snaps.
[14:36] <Mirv> hwe updates for vaapi drivers otoh is not a bad idea either, although it's probably not happening for 18.04 either as it's soon finished
[14:36] <thresh> juliank, I rely on Ubuntu to ship fixed stuff for that.
[14:36] <ogra_> thresh, with the "i wont build my own driver" ... this is exactly what snaps offer you ... add another part to your snapcraft.yaml and you can have a better driver than the distro
[14:36] <Mirv> since many apps will use the non-snap base distro drivers
[14:37] <thresh> ogra_, I didnt say I *cant*, I just *wont*, because it's not my bug.
[14:37] <thresh> it's for Ubuntu to fix their packages.
[14:37] <thresh> Seriosly.
[14:37] <thresh> +u
[14:37] <juliank> thresh: currently there are no updates for new hardware, so e.g. no coffee lake for 16.04.
[14:37] <juliank> that's all I am saying.
[14:38] <juliank> It's likely that someone needs to step up and come up with a plan for that and take care of it :)
[14:38] <ogra_> thresh, and they will be fixed, but until then you will have whining users that you could perhaps quieten with 5 lines of yaml ...
[14:38] <thresh> I understand that, and I think someone on HWE team needs to think about that.
[14:39] <thresh> ogra_, it's OK.  I cant fix all bugs instantly, but I cant ship something I can not test.
[14:39] <ogra_> i.e. take a look at https://github.com/3v1n0/telegram-snap/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml ... that doesnt use a single deb for building its binary
[14:39] <ogra_> well, phoenix_firebrd_ can test for you :)
[14:39] <juliank> Well, intel-vaapi-driver is in universe and not supported :)
[14:39] <juliank> I guess
[14:40] <ogra_> and there is forum.snapcraft.io with 100s of users that will happily help testing if you file a request
[14:40] <juliank> ogra_: they do
[14:40] <ogra_> yeah
[14:40] <juliank> ogra_: there are some build-packages in there
[14:40] <juliank> for example,       - libappindicator3-dev
[14:40] <ogra_> yeah, indeed ...
[14:40] <ogra_> they wouldnt need to though :)
[14:41] <ogra_> my point is that snaps allow you an actual archlinux approach (build everything from upstream) without being bound to any distro release ... isf you actually want
[14:41] <ogra_> *if
[14:42] <Mirv> thresh: it's just likely that Ubuntu won't have timely va api driver updates until 2020 at least, since 18.04 LTS is about to be wrapped and its HWE enablement does not include the drivers, and the drivers are only community maintained at the moment. so the choice is of course free, but vlc snap users would be happier with hw acceleration naturally in the coming years.
[14:42] <thresh> So maybe they should be maintained by a company, then.
[14:42] <Mirv> with 18.04 as the basis for snap build in half a year would bump of course hw acceleration support momentarily, but then it would start to lag soon until 20.04 LTS
[14:43] <thresh> It's a basic hardware feature these days, it's not 2005 anymore where we could get away with CPU.
[14:43] <juliank> of course you can get away with CPU :D
[14:43] <juliank> That's what the browsers do
[14:43] <Mirv> thresh: yes, it would be ideal, but as said it's not happening until 2020 at the current rate, so pragmatically speaking users will get a bit subpar experience - although as noted, it will get better when 18.04 LTS can be used as a base until again new CPUs come out
[14:43] <thresh> I understand that.
[14:43] <ogra_> well, i'm running 16.04 on a kabylake here ... i cant get vaapi at all on the normal distro ... the vlc 3.0 snap helps a lot here
[14:44] <juliank> ogra_: how?
[14:44] <ogra_> (i cant enable vaapi witrh the deb but it works well with the 3.0 snap)
[14:44] <juliank> that's odd
[14:44] <Mirv> I've manually upgraded to 1.8.2 on my 16.04 LTS to get a bit fresher experience
[14:44] <ogra_> juliank, by switching to it in the vlc settings
[14:44] <juliank> ogra_: I meant, why can't you get that in the deb? The vaapi driver in the snap is the same
[14:45] <ogra_> juliank, "basic" vaapi works fine, i think it is just vp9 thats not working
[14:45] <Mirv> ogra_: weird though, since the vlc 3.0 snap has the original 16.04 1.7 va-api drivers
[14:45] <Mirv> I don't think that can have kaby lake support for about anything
[14:45] <ogra_> Mirv, that i could never get to work right on any of my machines from the archive
[14:45] <juliank> Mirv: I don't think anybody is preventing anyone from doing the work in 18.04 (or 16.04) and doing a intel-vaapi-driver-hwe package.
[14:46] <juliank> right?
[14:46] <juliank> or intel-vaapi-driver-community-hwe, whatever
[14:46] <Mirv> ogra_: juliank: ah, funny, the 1.7.0 from 15 Mar 2016 did actually add the very first kaby lake support - quite early!
[14:47] <thresh> juliank, browsers are exactly the opposite of what I could ever call a sane thing :)
[14:47] <Mirv> so aside from being buggy and lacking codec support, it's actually supported there, only coffeelake isn't
[14:47] <juliank> All I want is vaapi support in chrome
[14:47] <juliank> and proper mpv windows
[14:47] <ogra_> juliank, Mirv https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M8gyv4jDrc/
[14:47] <Mirv> juliank: well, feature freeze for one prevents such a landing in 18.04, and adding such after a release is done is maybe unlikely with any process
[14:48] <Mirv> so hence my "probably 2020"
[14:48] <ogra_> (just streaming Tv frm my kodi box though ... no fancy codecs or anything)
[14:49] <Mirv> ogra_: nice! I upgraded to get some VP9 10-bit decoding functional
[14:49] <ogra_> probably the log lies ... but the CPU utilization is definitely less than with the vlc deb
[14:50] <juliank> I switched from vlc to mpv some time ago
[14:51] <juliank> That was the only player I got working in wayland usably I think
[14:51] <juliank> ugh, word order
[14:52] <Mirv> ogra_: right, the original VLC xenial version compiled with only VDPAU, not VAAPI support, even if the va-api drivers would have been recent enough
[14:52] <ogra_> yeah
[14:52] <thresh> ugh, wayland.
[14:52] <thresh> there is a remote chance that VLC from edge snap channel might work under wayland.
[14:53] <ogra_> well, xorg is around for another 5 years at least :)
[14:53] <ogra_> (thanks to 18.04 defaulting to it)
[14:54] <juliank> thresh: Well it works completely fine, but via Xwayland, so some perofrmance loss I guess.
[14:54] <juliank> ogra_: pff, I'll be on 18.10 sooon
[14:54] <ogra_> crazy
[14:55]  * ogra_ will stay on 16.04 until a proper unity replacement comes around :P
[14:55] <juliank> ogra_: Gotta run devel so I notice if stuff breaks
[14:55] <ogra_> yeah
[14:55] <juliank> :D
[14:55] <ogra_> i know ... i used to be in foundations :)
[14:55] <juliank> :D
[14:55] <ogra_> snaps kind of changed my habit ... and dropping unity too
[14:56] <juliank> Basically the same on my Debian machine - it runs testing.
[14:56] <ogra_> (i tried gnome for nearly a year but eventually going back to unity felt like coming home=
[14:56] <slangasek> themill: kitkz synced
[14:56] <juliank> (it used to be unstable, but um it's secondary now, so it's running testing)
[14:58] <juliank> ogra_: I have not used unity a lot.
[14:59] <ogra_> i did since day one
[14:59] <juliank> I think my laptops all ran Debian with GNOME during the unity time
[14:59] <juliank> *Debian unstable
[14:59] <ogra_> to have gnome close to it regarding my use cases i have to install a gazillion of extensions that eat so much ram that it isnt worth it anymore
[15:00] <juliank> I used GNOME 3 from before it was stable IIRC
[15:00] <ogra_> yeah, if you like the usability of it i guess you are fine
[15:01] <juliank> I think I started around 2.31 or so
[15:01] <ogra_> i cant really get along with a lot there
[15:01] <ginggs> ogra_: this is probably the wrong channel, but i herd you like unity :) I have 2 machines running still unity on 18.04, they suspend after 20 minutes if nobody is logged in, they didn't do this on 17.10.  any ideas?
[15:01] <juliank> ginggs: sounds like a bug was fixed? ;)
[15:01] <ogra_> ginggs, heh, no idea ... i'm actually sticking to 16.04 here
[15:01] <ogra_> but yeah perhaps -desktop would be the better channel
[15:02] <ogra_> (unless there is actually a unity dedicated channel somewhere)
[15:02] <juliank> ginggs: 20 mins is the default suspend time out for gnome-power-$thingy
[15:02] <juliank> Is that running?
[15:02] <juliank> for the greeter
[15:02] <ginggs> juliank: i can change that for a logged in user, but don't know how to change it for the greeter
[15:03] <juliank> oh, ok
[15:03] <juliank> you can
[15:03] <juliank> like sudo to the greeter user and change it there with gsettings tool
[15:03] <juliank> Although I think there are drop-in keyfiles too?
[15:03]  * juliank not sure
[15:04] <juliank> ginggs: are you using gdm?
[15:04] <ginggs> juliank: looks like lightdm
[15:04] <juliank> ok
[15:05] <juliank> but I guess the idea is the same
[15:05] <ginggs> juliank: thanks, i will try sudo to the greeter user
[15:05] <juliank> sudo to its user and run gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-type 'nothing'
[15:05] <juliank> though you might need to figure out its dbus socket
[15:21] <tjaalton> Mirv: intel-vaapi-driver could probably just be backported like mesa is, unrenamed
[15:22] <tjaalton> now that it's actually used almost by default
[15:25] <nacc> juliank: tjaalton: shouldn't LP: #1756549 just be duped to LP: #1756380 ?
[15:26] <nacc> and maybe LP: #1751492
[15:27] <tjaalton> 1751492 is probably a bug in mesa
[15:27] <juliank> nacc: one is about shader stuff, the other about a tiny bugfix
[15:27] <juliank> nacc: ah no
[15:27] <nacc> juliank: i think they are the same
[15:27] <nacc> this was the annoying user :)
[15:28] <juliank> nacc: tghe other is GPU hang
[15:28] <tjaalton> 1756549 not found
[15:28] <juliank> 1751492 => it works, but hangs the GPU
[15:28] <nacc> one sec
[15:28] <juliank> bug 1751492 => it works, but hangs the GPU
[15:29] <juliank> bug 1756380 => does not work, missing shaders
[15:30] <tjaalton> well, encoding needs the shaders, doubt he had those installed
[15:30] <nacc> tjaalton: also, supposedly this affects the core snap
[15:30] <nacc> sdupposedly
[15:30] <nacc> i'll ping the snap folks
[15:31] <juliank> nacc: it does not
[15:31] <juliank> that's just silly
[15:31] <nacc> juliank: ok, supposedly the vlc snap says it does
[15:31] <nacc> juliank: as in, it doesn't work ... but i don't know why the user said that
[15:31] <nacc> it's in a few of the bugs and that's what they've said on IRC a few times
[15:31] <juliank> nacc: it does not work, sure, but it's not in there core snap, they ship the driver from the deb
[15:32] <juliank> they install the driver deb into their snap
[15:32] <nacc> juliank: not sure how that would be broken, given it works on xenial?
[15:32] <nacc> juliank: unless they took a different deb?
[15:32] <nacc> again, just my understanding
[15:32] <juliank> who said it works on xenial?
[15:32] <nacc> juliank: that user, again
[15:33] <nacc> juliank: it was broken in 1.8.x
[15:33] <tjaalton> which bug# was that?
[15:33] <nacc> LP: #1756380 comment 1
[15:33] <juliank> it was broken in a kernel update >= 4.13
[15:34] <tjaalton> ah, so just trying to hijack a bug
[15:34] <juliank> nacc: he's also talking about a completely different bug :)
[15:34] <juliank> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1756459
[15:35] <juliank> nacc: if you read the backlog you'll see that I asked him to clarify that
[15:35] <nacc> juliank: ok, well, he duped the text, so i'm not sure how i'd know that :)
[15:35] <nacc> juliank: tjaalton: but as long as you two have a handle on it, i'll drop it
[15:36] <tjaalton> yeah I think it'll calm down now, at least for bionic..
[15:41] <nacc> tjaalton: thanks
[17:22] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Could I please get a review on this so kdesudo can be removed? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-release-upgrader/port-away-from-kdesudo/+merge/34155
[17:22] <tsimonq2> ugh
[17:22] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-release-upgrader/port-away-from-kdesudo/+merge/341555
[17:22] <tsimonq2> that
[17:30] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: commented
[17:31] <tsimonq2> Thanks bdmurray.
[18:04] <Mirv> tjaalton: oh, right..
[18:49] <sunweaver> flexiondotorg: <others>: can you tell me what the status of notify-osd in Ubuntu is?
[18:49] <sunweaver> tsimonq2: ^
[18:49] <sunweaver> is it actively used in Ubuntu Desktop 18.04?
[18:50] <tsimonq2> sunweaver: seeded-in-ubuntu :)
[18:50] <sunweaver> ...means what?
[18:50] <tsimonq2> sunweaver: Otherwise, try #ubuntu-desktop
[18:50] <tsimonq2> sunweaver: It's a script
[18:50]  * sunweaver starts browsing the code...
[18:51] <sunweaver> tsimonq2: urgh, no... https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/notify-osd/trunk/files/head:/src/
[18:52] <Odd_Bloke> sunweaver: I believe seeded-in-ubuntu is the script, which will tell you what notify-osd's status is.
[18:52] <sunweaver> ah.
[18:52]  * sunweaver changes to his bionic chroot.
[18:53] <Odd_Bloke> (It's in ubuntu-dev-tools.)
[18:53]  * sunweaver was wondering exactly that...
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Right.
[18:55] <sunweaver> it is not seeded...
[18:55] <sunweaver> means, it is not used in the official set of packages, right?
[18:55]  * sunweaver is more wondering about... is it still maintained as an upstream project?
[18:56] <sunweaver> is it part of a Unity7 installation?
[18:58] <jbicha> sunweaver: yes (I find reverse-depends to be a more useful tool here)
[18:58] <jbicha> yes, it's installed by the Unity metapackage
[18:59] <sunweaver> jbicha: and XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is Unity7 right now, not Unity anymore?
[18:59] <jbicha> it's probably as well maintained as the rest of the Unity stack
[18:59] <sunweaver> ok.
[18:59] <sunweaver> I will update it in Debian then from bzr.
[19:00] <sunweaver> is there a #unity(7) channel here on Freenode?
[19:00] <jbicha> I don't have a recent Unity install to check XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP for you
[19:00] <nacc> !alis | sunweaver
[19:01] <jbicha> sunweaver: I don't think so, you might just need to email the Unity 7 people
[19:01] <sunweaver> nacc: thanks.
[19:02] <sunweaver> which is this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:38] <TJ-> Do we have any policykit hackers? On 16.04 at least it looks like the /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/ is being parsed in the wrong order, resulting in Ubuntu-shipped policy being replaced by package policy
[20:50] <xnox> TJ-, sigh, maybe try #ubuntu-hardened?
[20:57] <ahasenack> hi, is there any trick to build an autopkgtest image for ppc64el? I have shell on such a host, autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud finishes but I think it falied to run the setup scripts
[20:58] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DVry2CPkjr/ bits of the --verbose output
[20:58] <ahasenack> where cloud-init starts to run the stuff sent via user-data
[20:58] <ahasenack> [   33.414880] cloud-init[1247]: sh: 0: Can't open /mnt/setup-testbed
[20:58] <ahasenack> that's the key error I think, that's supposed to be a script
[21:00] <nacc> ahasenack: you might even ask in #cloud-init, possibly
[21:00] <TJ-> xnox: will do... just writing up a bug report :)
[21:00] <nacc> ahasenack: i'm pretty sure i've done that on a ppc64el in the past, but it was a while ago
[21:01] <ahasenack> ok
[21:02] <ahasenack> at this stage I think the problem is bad assumptions made by the autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud script
[21:03] <ahasenack> not strictly a cloud-init problem
[21:03]  * ahasenack adds some debugging to that user-data
[21:07] <ahasenack> cpaelzer probably knows, I'll ask him tomorrow
[21:23] <ahasenack> nacc: hah, got it
[21:23] <ahasenack> nacc: for some reason, vda and vdb are swapped
[21:23] <ahasenack> vdb is the boot disk not vda
[21:23] <nacc> ahasenack: weird
[21:23] <ahasenack> the autopkgtest script assumed the non-boot disk would be vdb
[21:23] <ahasenack> runcmd:
[21:23] <ahasenack>  - sed -i 's/deb-systemd-invoke/true/' /var/lib/dpkg/info/cloud-init.prerm
[21:23] <ahasenack>  - mount -r /dev/vda /mnt
[21:23] <ahasenack> I changed that mount to vda (as displayed) and it's working now
[21:24] <ahasenack> it was vdb
[21:24] <ahasenack> now, other things failed :/
[21:24] <ahasenack> [   55.637935] cloud-init[1285]: E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-ppc64el/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 8000]
[21:24] <ahasenack> but baby steps
[21:25] <nacc> ahasenack: that seems like maybe it's trying to use an apt proxy?
[21:25] <ahasenack> yeah, but that url is indeed a 404
[21:25] <ahasenack> I tried from home just now
[21:26] <ahasenack> are ppc packages elsewhere? ports.u.c perhaps?
[21:26] <ahasenack> yep
[21:26] <ahasenack> :/
[21:26] <ahasenack> ahasenack@diamond:~⟫ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:26] <ahasenack> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com//ubuntu-ports/ xenial main restricted universe multiverse
[21:26] <ahasenack> let's see
[21:26] <ahasenack> should be able to set a mirror
[21:26] <nacc> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/bionic/main/binary-ppc64el/
[21:26] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah, but that's weird that it wasn't done correclty to start
[21:27] <nacc> ahasenack: -m option to buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[21:27] <ahasenack> yep
[21:27] <ahasenack> am trying that now with your url
[21:27] <ahasenack> i.e., http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[21:27] <nacc> yeah
[21:27] <nacc> it's weird, i woudl think if it's arch specific like that, autopkgtest would know about it
[21:28] <nacc> that feels like a bug (to me)
[21:28] <ahasenack> why are some arches in ports.u.c?
[21:28] <ahasenack> i386/amd64 are on the same url
[21:29] <nacc> ahasenack: i don't know; perhaps slangasek can tell us?
[21:29] <slangasek> because the volume of downloads for !x86 arches does not justify distributing them from the primary mirror network
[21:31] <nacc> slangasek: good answer
[21:31] <ahasenack> [   48.513705] cloud-init[1290]: Fetched 3640 kB in 1s (3325 kB/s)
[21:31] <ahasenack> nacc: worked now
[21:31] <nacc> ahasenack: nice
[21:37] <ahasenack> nacc: still getting this though, when starting the actual test run
 failure: The VM does not start a root shell on ttyS1 already. The only other supported login mechanism is through --user and --password on the guest ttyS0
[21:38] <ahasenack> I'll ping cpaelzer tomorrow
[21:38] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah, i don't know what that means, or what is detecting that
[21:38] <ahasenack> I believe it's failing to find a way to login
[21:39] <ahasenack> setup-testbed might set that up somehow
[21:39] <ahasenack> anyway
[21:39] <ahasenack> that's a big shell script
[21:39] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah is that still not running?
[21:39] <ahasenack> no, it fails somewhat quickly
[21:40] <ahasenack> I can try to bring a vm up on that image myself
[21:40] <ahasenack> hah
[21:40] <ahasenack> from the setup script
[21:40] <ahasenack> # set up init script for root shell on ttyS1; necessary for autopkgtest-virt-qemu local
[21:40] <ahasenack> # images
[21:40] <ahasenack> and then it sets up a sysv initscript
[21:41] <ahasenack> looks like I can't resist it
[21:41]  * ahasenack debugs some more
[21:41] <nacc> ahasenack: :)
[22:04] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Am I missing something or has DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeFetcherKDE.py already been fixed? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-release-upgrader/port-away-from-kdesudo/+merge/341555
[22:09] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: I believe you are missing something - https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/trunk/view/head:/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeFetcherKDE.py#L134
[22:11] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Are you sure we're looking at the same thing? That says pkexec.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> On my branch it does, at least.
[22:13] <bdmurray> Hmm well okay great. I must have missed that.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Cool. :)
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Otherwise it looks good?
[22:15] <bdmurray> Yes
[22:16] <tsimonq2> Excellent.
[22:29] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Sorry if I'm just being impatient but I need a merge + upload. :)


[12:40] <yano> https://ircpuzzles.org/blog/2017/04/2017-april-fools-day-challenge-live/
[12:40] <jenni> [ 2017 April Fool's Day Challenge Is Now LIVE | #ircpuzzles ] - https://bit.ly/2nVVPZC
[15:22] <thafreak> I'm actually not just idle today!
[15:22] <yano> yay
[15:22] <thafreak> Sorry, my lame attempt at april fools joke :)
[15:22] <thafreak> I'll likely be very idle today
[15:24] <thafreak> So nothing happens in this channel anymore?
[15:59] <Unit193> No, it's Ohio, are you expecting different?  I'd like more too, but I shouldn't be talking to myself.  I'm not even sure most here use Ubuntu in some form or another.
[16:00] <Unit193> thafreak: Nice to see you alive again!
[16:01] <thafreak> :)
[16:02] <thafreak> I use it on servers sometimes...no one here usually discusses that though, it's all desktop this and that :)
[16:04] <Unit193> I use Xubuntu as a desktop (or what used to be Xubuntu), and either Debian testing or Ubuntu for server(s).
[16:04] <thafreak> lol, oposite here...debian on the desktops :) Working on moving to stretch now
[16:06] <Unit193> Well I have that as a fallback plan, when Ubuntu finally does enough privacy violations that I can no longer stand.  I kind of turned Xubuntu into Debian based, because who likes starting from scratch?   Unstable is pretty stable for me at least, another Debian guy (cyberanger, here sometimes) swears by it too.  It's much easier if you avoid KDE and GNOME as DEs.
[16:10] <Unit193> (By 'turned Xubuntu into a Debian based system', I mean ISO.  Though I did successfully upgrade from Ubuntu to Debian unstable in VM, with enough forcing.)
[16:11] <thafreak> Ah, yeah, I don't try that anymore...I managed an upgrade on a server a few times, but things don't quite come out as nice in the desktop when trying to upgrade
[16:12] <thafreak> it's like there's magic stuff that only happens when the installer runs, and I'm too lazy to figure out the differences...I'll just backup re-install and restore
[16:12] <thafreak> Just that that ends up taking me forever...been in this process for a few weeks now
[16:12] <thafreak> Wanted to clean things up BEFORE I back up
[16:13] <thafreak> Also, switch from mainly using dropbox+encfs (which is apparently horrible idea) to syncthing+gocrpytfs
[16:16] <Unit193> Ah, with the help of dpkg and apt it doesn't go horribly.  If you mean upgrade from the same base to the same base, I do that all the time because re-installs are so much effort for little gain.  Right, yeah.  Encfs really isn't the best for that.  Interesting you mention that!  I've recently started using that as well, even patched it in Ubuntu so it doesn't FTBFS and contacted the Debian
[16:16] <Unit193> maintainer.
[16:19] <thafreak> you patched encfs?
[16:19] <thafreak> HAve you looked at gocryptfs?
[16:20] <thafreak> It's similar, just re-written in go, and avoids the problem encfs has
[16:20] <Unit193> I did not patch encfs, never used it.  I meant to say I was looking at gocryptfs and: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gocryptfs/1.2-2ubuntu1
[16:20] <jenni> [ 1.2-2ubuntu1 : gocryptfs package : Ubuntu ] - https://bit.ly/2nWAxLG
[16:20] <thafreak> AH
[16:21] <thafreak> I'm using the slightly older version in stretch on my desktop and built from source on a raspberry pi :)
[16:22] <thafreak> Ok, kids are pestering me, they want to go home...
[16:22] <thafreak> Back to being idle for me, good talking to you Unit193
[16:22] <Unit193> Heh, my version of "built from source" == updated and changed the packaging.  Have a good one, and yes it was a nice chat. :)
[16:24] <Unit193> Mine can do something yours can't: unit193@Omega:~%  gocryptfs --version                  .:12:23:57 on 17-04-01:.
[16:24] <Unit193> gocryptfs 1.2.1; go-fuse 0.0~git20161210.0.6c2b7d8-2; 2017-03-07 go1.7.4
[20:19] <yano> .tw https://twitter.com/ircpuzzles/status/848212537787248641
[20:19] <jenni> And we're off #AprilFools 2017! First Clue: IyMjIyMjTlNRMjAxN0ZnbmVnLVBlbGNnYkFyamY= Good luck! | By: @ircpuzzles, Date: Sat Apr 01 16:36:42 +0000 2017, RT#: 0, Favs: 0


[00:15] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[00:15] <kristian-aalborg> http://damieng.com/blog/2008/05/26/envy-code-r-preview-7-coding-font-released <--- can I use this on the console, it is truetype
[00:26] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Yes, just change the font settings in gnome-terminal
[00:27] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Edit > Profile Preferences... > Uncheck "use system font" and select your own
[00:37] <kristian-aalborg> hi aveilleux
[00:37] <kristian-aalborg> I was being unclear... I meant for the framebuffer
[00:39] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: No, the kernel doesn't support TTF fonts. You'd have to load an X server and use its font renderers
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> it seems I have to use fbterm or something like that
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> yeah
[00:40] <kristian-aalborg> this one was just mentioned as a "programmers" font so many places that I thought I was missing something :/
[00:40] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: They mean it's a good monospace font to use when coding.
[00:40] <kristian-aalborg> so it seems.... bugger, it's a nice-looking font
[01:37] <jonstanford> need some advice after the last update broke the ability of a clean boot with grub2
[01:38] <jonstanford> I think I want to back out the update and try again because the fault is that the boot loader can't read initrd.img (corrupt?)
[01:39] <jonstanford> So, my question is how to get the last update to .29 to reload
[01:44] <jonstanford> I can boot from the grub2 recovery console into the last good image  by loading the last linux kernel and the last good initrd.img then issuing a boot command.
[01:54] <kristian-aalborg> would anyone know some nice console fonts, apart from Tamsyn and Terminus?
[03:46] <johnny77> is there an aptitude history?
[03:47] <aveilleux> johnny77, You can do cat ~/.bash_history |grep apt
[03:48] <johnny77> aveilleux: I was think of more of what was installed recently. I did a sudo aptitude upgrade then sudo aptitude install xorg and now something screwed up.
[03:50] <aveilleux> johnny77, Oh, what packages were recently installed? Run a sudo aptitude purge xorg, and see what packages get marked for removal. Those would be the ones installed.
[03:51] <johnny77> aveilleux: can I purge an upgrade?
[03:52] <aveilleux> johnny77, Not that I'm aware of
[03:53] <johnny77> aveilleux: I figured it out... somthing in the upgrade or xorg blacklisted my driver!
[03:54] <aveilleux> johnny77, Interesting.
[03:55] <aveilleux> johnny77, Are you trying to build up from a CLI install?
[03:55] <johnny77> aveilleux: yes... it's been quite an adventure, but I've learned loads!!
[03:56] <aveilleux> johnny77, Something that'll help: install xinit instead of xorg (xorg gets installed as a dependency, and x11 is set up to run at boot time)
[03:57] <johnny77> aveilleux: maybe i'm still a little new or just really tired, but can you explain that a little better.
[03:57] <johnny77> wait... hold on. let me think I want to guess
[03:58] <johnny77> If I install xinit, xorg also gets installed plus I won't have to type startx, it'll load automatically. Is that right.
[03:58] <aveilleux> johnny77, Exactly
[03:59] <johnny77> \o/  Yay!!!!
[03:59] <aveilleux> johnny77, What desktop environment are you planning on using?
[03:59] <johnny77> fluxbox
[04:00] <johnny77> now that xorg is install i don't have to purge, but just install xinit.
[04:00] <aveilleux> johnny77, That's correct
[04:00] <aveilleux> johnny77, Something that might help you is the Fluxbox portion of my script: https://github.com/AntonioPT/minimal-desktop-for-ubuntu/blob/master/script.sh#L176
[04:00] <pleia2> johnny77: /var/log/dpkg.log
[04:01] <pleia2> (for future reference)
[04:02] <johnny77> pleia2: is that the install history?
[04:02] <pleia2> yep
[04:02] <johnny77> aveilleux: thanks. Is that kind of a automated install?
[04:03] <aveilleux> johnny77, Yep. See also: http://minimal-desktop.sublevel21.com/generator/
[04:03] <johnny77> pleia2: does it matter what you use to install ie apt-get vs aptitude?
[04:04] <pleia2> johnny77: nope, both use dpkg and that's what the log is actually tracking
[04:06] <johnny77> aveilleux: that's really cool - the second link
[04:06] <aveilleux> johnny77, Er, apparently the Fluxbox portion is broken right now. I have an email to send.
[04:08] <johnny77> aveilleux & pleia2: Thank you! But it's not time to go to bed.. see ya, take it easy.
[04:08] <pleia2> good night :)
[04:09] <aveilleux> See ya
[07:14] <xAndromeda> Hey! so i cant gety my wireless to work O.o
[07:17] <Cheri703> did it work before?
[07:20] <Cheri703> xAndromeda: did you have wireless at any point in the past on that computer?
[07:38] <xAndromeda> back!  lol no i dont remember it ever working...
[07:38] <xAndromeda> i googled it but came up with nothing said sothing about an arthero driver
[07:39] <xAndromeda> clueless O.o
[07:39] <Cheri703> I'm assuming you have a wired connection?
[07:39] <xAndromeda> yes
[07:40] <Cheri703> have you tried system > administration > drivers?
[07:40] <Cheri703> or hardware drivers?
[07:40] <Cheri703> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:40] <xAndromeda> 10.10
[07:41] <Cheri703> k
[07:41] <xAndromeda> i only see a additional drivers
[07:41] <xAndromeda> under system admin
[07:41] <Cheri703> try that
[07:41] <xAndromeda> says no proprietary drivers evyerthing else is blank
[07:41] <Cheri703> k
[07:42] <Cheri703> desktop or laptop? I think you'd said laptop, yes?
[07:42] <xAndromeda> yeah laptop
[07:42] <Cheri703> k
[07:42] <Cheri703> does the bottom of it name the wireless chipset or anything? sometimes it's printed on there
[07:42] <Cheri703> and/or what's the make/model of the laptop?
[07:43] <xAndromeda> no it dosnt appear to be, its a HP G60 - 538CA
[07:44] <Cheri703> on your network icon, right click and see if there's an option for wireless
[07:45] <Cheri703> and/or is there a hardware button/switch/something to turn on/off wireless?
[07:45] <xAndromeda> theres a hw button for wireless but it dosnt work
[07:45] <Cheri703> k, did you check the network icon?
[07:46] <xAndromeda> wireless disconnected not showing any networks
[07:46] <xAndromeda> and i know there is one cuz my cell is connected to it right now
[07:46] <Cheri703> did you right click on it?
[07:47] <xAndromeda> yes
[07:47] <Cheri703> and it shows wireless? enabled or?
[07:47] <xAndromeda> enabled
[07:47] <Cheri703> ok, so then it's recognizing that you HAVE a card...
[07:47] <Cheri703> hmmm...is this a newer or older laptop?
[07:48] <xAndromeda> i bought it about 2.5 years ago... idk how new the model is
[07:49] <Cheri703> do you know if your router is set to b, g, or n?
[07:50] <xAndromeda> no idea O.o
[07:50] <xAndromeda> how would i check?
[07:50] <Cheri703> ok, try choosing "connect to hidden wireless network" and typing in the name of your wireless connection
[07:50] <Cheri703> you'd have to log into the router, don't worry about it
[07:51] <Cheri703> it is case specific
[07:51] <xAndromeda> ok that worked O.o
[07:51] <xAndromeda> awsum :D
[07:51] <xAndromeda> why is it hidden though? O.o
[07:52] <Cheri703> don't know
[07:52] <Cheri703> but cool
[07:52] <xAndromeda> i could see it on pretty much eveyr other divice
[07:52] <Cheri703> glad you're connected :)
[07:52] <Cheri703> I have to go to bed!
[07:52] <xAndromeda> ^_^ thx
[07:52] <Cheri703> enjoy your wireless freedom!
[09:15] <ray_> I am trying to find, if there, is an icon for DBGL short for DOSBox Game Launcher
[09:17] <ray_> Is there an icon for DBGL?
[09:23] <ray_> I guess not then
[09:27] <ray_> I got DOSBox Game Launcher working
[09:27] <ray_> The file called dbgl was supposed to be named dbgl.sh
[09:27] <ray_> I made a launcher to it which makes it nice
[09:28] <ray_> Meka didn't work in the end, but DOSBox Game Launcher is nice to have
[09:30] <ray_> I am going to try installing Hardy Heron and installing wine 1.0 then there will be a deb package under /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:31] <andrew_46> ray_: Just as a matter of curiosity why Hardy Heron?
[09:32] <ray_> Then I can try installing that on Ubuntu 10.04, but I am going to do it on my experimental hard drive. Then I will try installing the newest wine playinlinux has to offer
[09:32] <ray_> It's a long shot which is for fun anyhow
[09:33] <ray_> Meka works best on Wine 1.0 which is what Ubuntu Hardy Heron has for wine
[09:34] <ray_> I've tried using Wine 1.0 through Playonlinux. It didn't work out what so ever.
[09:34] <ray_> Anyways, I am just mucking about.
[09:37] <andrew_46> ray_: I have never really used wine but the wine pages seem to say that newer Wine works ok with meka : http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6478&iTestingId=12953
[09:38] <ray_> I just re-installed Ubuntu 10.04, and I just installed CLI Companion. duanedesign said he was going to add a couple of features to it
[09:38] <ray_> What command would fill the terminal a few screens
[09:38] <ray_> ?
[09:39] <andrew_46> Oops with 1.1.31
[09:40] <ray_> It doesn't have good sound, it doesn't go to fulscreen, and because it doesn't go to fullscreen it also lets the mouse go out of the window back into wine which sucks.
[09:41] <ray_> Meka has a neat feature for shooting games that lets the mouse act as the lasergun
[09:41] <andrew_46> oic
[09:41] <ray_> It would be great if Kega Fusion had that feature
[09:41] <ray_> what does oic stand for?
[09:42] <ray_> oh I see
[09:43] <ray_> LOL
[09:43] <andrew_46> hehehehe :)
[09:43] <ray_> Another one to add to the list
[09:45] <ray_> So what command would fill the terminal so I can see if scroll back was added? The terminal doesn't let me scroll back which sucks sometimes, but maybe I missed out on keyboard short cuts that users like you would know about in the terminal.
[09:47] <ray_> Like for instance I have been reading this book for Using Opensuse which a program called nice which has keyboard shortcuts that can be used for more and less and so forth but I haven't tried it yet
[09:47] <andrew_46> ray_: You want to increase the scrollback buffer?
[09:47] <ray_> I can?
[09:48] <ray_> Ah ha.
[09:48] <andrew_46> I am not completely sure of what you are after but most terminals will allow you to increase or decrease the scrollback
[09:48] <ray_> I would prefer unlimited, but I am sure that could have it's draw back.
[09:48] <ray_> I didn't know
[09:48] <andrew_46> I use xfce terminal and this option is available in Edit --- Preferences --- General
[09:49] <andrew_46> Set at 1000 lines atm
[09:49] <ray_> It's under edit, profile preferences, scrolling
[09:49] <ray_> It can be set to how many lines or unlimited
[09:50] <andrew_46> ray_: You are using gnome's terminal?
[09:50] <ray_> Yep
[09:50] <ray_> I also have CLI Companion installed
[09:50] <andrew_46> It is a little more fully featured than xfce's offering from memory
[09:50] <andrew_46> Hmmm..... don't know this ne
[09:50] <andrew_46> one
[09:51] <ray_> Well, I am sure they all have there neat features though
[09:51] <ray_> Though I haven't tried anything else
[09:52] <andrew_46> I see a screenshot: it has a list of commands + meanings above the actual erminal?
[09:52] <ray_> http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/clicompanion
[09:52] <ray_> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion
[09:53] <ray_> you mean cli companion?
[09:53] <andrew_46> Hmmm... decreases the work space a little
[09:53] <ray_> It has the feature to be able to add commands you want to to the list above
[09:54] <ray_> and
[09:54] <ray_> for making more room there is an arrow that can make the list go away
[09:54] <ray_> Still though it does decrease space a little but it's not bad
[09:55] <andrew_46> Nice, I have not heard of this one before. Mind you I am somewhat of a commandline junkie so I am reasonably comfortable with a bare terminal :)
[09:55] <ray_> I hear you dude
[09:56] <ray_> clear is a command I should remember
[09:56] <ray_> I will fill you in on some of what duanedesign told me
[09:56] <andrew_46> What sort of commandline applications are you interested in?
[09:57] <ray_> I am not sure I run any
[09:57] <ray_> I am likely going to try ktorrent
[09:58] <ray_> I am some what of a newbie, but I like to learn
[09:58] <ray_> About 2 years with Ubuntu
[09:58] <andrew_46> We are all beginners iin one way or another :)
[09:58] <ray_> lol, ya, everything takes time
[09:59] <ray_> OK, so if I click on a command listed in cli companion right click edit
[09:59] <ray_> example
[10:00] <ray_> "ps auxww | grep ?"
[10:00] <ray_> under user input:process
[10:00] <ray_> decription:displays information about the active process
[10:00] <ray_> what that wasn't a good exmple of what the question marks do
[10:01] <ray_> When a question mark is shown it is for the user to put input in like for instance a path
[10:02] <ray_> like for instance:
[10:02] <ray_> command"find -maxdepth 1 -type f | xargs grep -F ?"
[10:03] <ray_> user input:string
[10:03] <ray_> description:Search all regular files for 'string' in this dir
[10:04] <ray_> Any command can be added, and when added with a question mark the user can make it so the user can type a path or a string or what ever else a user can specify in place of the question mark or marks
[10:04] <ray_> CLI Companion is a neat program
[10:05] <andrew_46> Sounds interesting
[10:05] <ray_> No, I have run at least a couple commandline apps
[10:05] <ray_> well emulators
[10:05] <ray_> dega
[10:05] <ray_> dgen didn't work
[10:05] <andrew_46> BTW for find I rewrote this one a while back: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/find
[10:06] <ray_> I want to try to get mednafen to worl
[10:06]  * andrew_46 suspects nobody has ever used this page :(
[10:06] <andrew_46> mednafen?
[10:07] <andrew_46> OIC --> emulator
[10:07] <ray_> ya
[10:08] <andrew_46> You might be interested to know that the development version of vlc is capable of playback of many of the old game console music
[10:09] <ray_> That's neat.
[10:09] <ray_> I use SMPlayer, it has slow motion
[10:10] <andrew_46> From the repository?
[10:10] <ray_> You made me laugh when you said: suspects nobody has ever used this page:(
[10:10] <ray_> My frown is wrong?
[10:11] <andrew_46> I have written several guides / wikis that have sunk due to the indifference of many :(
[10:11] <ray_> Ya, it is in the repository
[10:11]  * andrew_46 reaches for some tissues.....
[10:12] <ray_> I understand, that stinks
[10:12] <ray_> I've tried to write guides for me to use
[10:12] <ray_> I think the key is to think like an absolute beginner
[10:12] <ray_> examples are key
[10:13] <andrew_46> Perhaps you should place some online?
[10:14] <ray_> It has it's troubles of course, but perhaps I might, but where can I post them for free
[10:14] <ray_> on the other hand there is so many already
[10:14] <andrew_46> Ubuntu forums has a 'Tutorials and Tips' section
[10:14] <andrew_46> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=100
[10:14] <ray_> Rigth, duh, I forget sometimes
[10:15] <ray_> OK, I got a question
[10:15] <ray_> I've gone to the Ubuntu forums and used the search bar, but where are the listings?
[10:15] <ray_> So I end up using google instead
[10:16] <andrew_46> listings?
[10:16] <ray_> Give me a little to make sure I was not being dumb
[10:17] <andrew_46> For example, what were you searchiing for?
[10:17] <ray_> I just searched for firefox
[10:17] <ray_> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?do=process
[10:19] <andrew_46> Pretty broad search, is there a more specific problem like 'firefox flash youtube'?
[10:19] <ray_> I will try that then
[10:19] <ray_> same:
[10:19] <ray_> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?do=process
[10:20] <ray_> I just don't get this
[10:21] <ray_> so like I said I use google and google ubuntu and the errr or topic or topics I am looking into
[10:21] <ray_> Sometimes the simple things get me
[10:22] <andrew_46> You don't see this: http://www.andrews-corner.org/tmp/screenshot.png
[10:22] <andrew_46> ?
[10:22] <ray_> Nope
[10:24] <andrew_46> Hmmmm..... is there an error message on the page that you get to?
[10:24] <ray_> I go to here: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?do=process then I go to the box that says search by keyword and I put firefox flash youtube in it and the same page pops back up
[10:24] <andrew_46> Are you logged into the forums?
[10:24] <ray_> what
[10:24] <ray_>    1. The answer given for the random question was incorrect.
[10:25] <ray_> that was the error
[10:25] <andrew_46> oic, you are not logged in and must answer an annoying question before your search will work
[10:25] <ray_> I am not logged on, do I have to be?
[10:25] <ray_> O, I didn't know
[10:25] <andrew_46> No, but you must answer a question below your search
[10:25] <andrew_46> scroll down :)
[10:26] <ray_> O, it's a human prove I am not a bot question
[10:26] <andrew_46> indeed
[10:26] <ray_> I didn't see that before
[10:26] <andrew_46> But loggiing in is easier?
[10:27] <ray_> Another thing in the bag
[10:27] <ray_> Thank you
[10:27] <andrew_46> I wish all questions were as easy to solve :)
[10:28] <ray_> he he, ya, me too
[10:28] <ray_> I've seen hell before, it's always good to have a backup of all our info
[10:29] <andrew_46> Indeed I use an external drive
[10:29] <ray_> I want to learn how to dual boot windows with Linux but I can see hell just trying to learn how to un-install one or the other.
[10:29] <ray_> I don't care what anyone says it's not easy
[10:30] <andrew_46> Another choice is to use a program like Virtualbox to run other operating systems
[10:30] <ray_> The possibility of loosing info if that is where all my info is would just be asking for it
[10:31] <ray_> I've haven't tried that yet
[10:31] <ray_> There is so much to try
[10:32] <andrew_46> Virtualbox is well worth a try and there is a specific section of the Ubuntu Forums for assistance if you have trouble
[10:33] <ray_> You know what would be great?
[10:33] <ray_> LOL
[10:33] <andrew_46> ?
[10:34] <ray_> sorry I couldn't help it
[10:34] <ray_> A terminal that would teacher beginners
[10:34] <ray_> That would say now type this and so forth and talk to new users
[10:35] <ray_> in text
[10:35] <ray_> That works but doen't let the beginner mess up and doesn't really do anything out side of a folder that only takes up to much space
[10:36] <ray_> And if the user messes up the terminal will tell the user what the command does
[10:36] <andrew_46> I have not seen this application yet :)
[10:37] <andrew_46> But almost all commands have a relevant man page
[10:37] <ray_> Right
[10:37] <ray_> Sometimes, especially when I first started the man page was another language
[10:38] <ray_> I meant started out
[10:38] <andrew_46> Not all are terribly clear
[10:38] <ray_> The order is what got me
[10:39] <ray_> What programs in the terminal do you like?
[10:40] <andrew_46> I am a huge fan of the media player MPlayer, the newsreader slrn and the irc client irssi
[10:41] <ray_> I have been using apt-get as my way of installing packages in the terminal
[10:41] <andrew_46> + mutt for mail
[10:42] <andrew_46> SMPlayer, which you mentioned, is a frontend for MPlayer
[10:42] <ray_> O
[10:42] <ray_> so then I must have it installed
[10:43] <ray_> There must be other frontends for MPlayer
[10:44] <ray_> Another world
[10:44] <andrew_46> yes, try this command
[10:44] <andrew_46> mplayer | head -n 1
[10:44] <ray_> "Creating config file: /home/ray/.mplayer/config"
[10:45] <andrew_46> This will show the version of MPlayer, version of gcc it was compiled with and date of release
[10:45] <andrew_46> Run the command again :)
[10:45] <ray_> Well now it does
[10:45] <ray_> lol
[10:46] <andrew_46> The head -n 1 command gives only the first line of output :)
[10:46] <ray_> I put in mplayer
[10:46] <ray_> I like the simple way it has things layed out compared to the indepth man page
[10:47] <ray_> :)
[10:47] <andrew_46> The command mplayer you mean?
[10:47] <ray_> yep
[10:48] <andrew_46> This is some introductory commands to get you going, the MPlayer man page is actually not a good example: to much info and not well organised :(
[10:48] <ray_> I am going to try it, I was closing a bunch of windows that were open
[10:49] <ray_> O, don't be sad, they will fix it
[10:49] <ray_> LOL
[10:49] <ray_> url, neat
[10:49] <ray_> I got a question
[10:50] <ray_> here we go again
[10:50] <ray_> lol
[10:50] <ray_> If I go to a webpage with a video
[10:50] <ray_> how can I make it so I can watch from where I was last watching?
[10:51] <ray_> I've watched videos on the internet and it stops loading etc
[10:52] <ray_> what's the best program for what I am trying to ask?
[10:52] <ray_> well the one you recommand
[10:53] <andrew_46> Hmmmm..... It depends how the media is actually served and whether it is cached or not.
[10:54] <ray_> cached it key, I know. I've used the tmp folder and the firefox cache folder to watch movie.
[10:54] <andrew_46> For flash you have little choice for others I usually use the gecko mediaplayer which uses MPlayer
[10:54] <andrew_46> I am not actually on Ubuntu at the moment so i am not sure of the package name
[10:55] <ray_> I was watching the file cached to see if info was being put there
[10:56] <ray_> kde
[10:56] <ray_> http://sites.google.com/site/kdekorte2/gecko-mediaplayer
[10:56] <ray_> A plugin
[10:56] <ray_> A plugin for Firefox?
[10:57] <andrew_46> But this is available in the repository, so have a look in synaptic for the package name, unless the silent room can volunteer the name :)
[10:57] <ray_> I found this but I will check there:
[10:57] <ray_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=514064
[10:58] <andrew_46> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8936681&postcount=2
[10:58] <andrew_46> gives the relevant commands
[10:59] <andrew_46> an old post of mine :)
[11:00] <ray_> A multi-media plugin for gecko browsers. I've only heard of a few browsers.
[11:02] <andrew_46> The link you gave deals with getdeb and source, neither of which are what you are really after
[11:02] <andrew_46> ooops I have to go
[11:02] <ray_> It's OK
[11:02] <ray_> Take care dude
[11:02] <andrew_46> nice to 'meet' you though, we will probably bump into each other in future
[11:23] <apter> Hello !
[11:23] <apter> Need help : Are there any way to get the linksys wusb54gc to work in ubuntu?
[11:23] <duanedesign> hello
[11:28] <duanedesign> ray_: hello. Good to hear you are liking cli companion :)
[11:40] <ray_> I am sorry I was playing a video using mplayer through the terminal.
[11:40] <ray_> Malcolm in the Middle
[11:41] <ray_> It will be useful in the future. I still need to get off my Behind and gather useful commands
[11:45] <ray_> Well useful commands for me to use
[12:09] <xAndromeda> wow
[12:09] <xAndromeda> theres a file name limit?
[12:09] <xAndromeda> -_-
[12:16] <geirha> Yes, 254 bytes on ext[2-4] iirc.
[12:22] <geirha> ray_: A good start for finding useful commands, is to learn how the apropos (or man -k) command works.
[12:23] <ray_> man -k, apropos
[12:24] <geirha> e.g. try:  apropos movie
[12:25] <ray_> I am talking to someone else
[12:25] <ray_> right now
[12:26] <ray_> not out of dis-respect though
[12:26] <lastk> hi
[12:26] <ray_> hi
[12:26] <ray_> now we are all here
[12:26] <ray_> addon
[12:27] <ray_> I wonder what addon firefox has for what I asked you lastk
[12:27] <lastk> http://www.orbitdownloader.com/flv-downloader/download-flv-firefox.htm
[12:27] <ray_> Quote myself from the talk we had so they know what we are talking about:
[12:27] <ray_> When watching videos online, I hate it when I've watched half of a video then it reloads, is there a better way or program to get around this
[12:28] <ray_> Wow, neat
[12:28] <ray_> Wow, that is what I have been looking for, thank you
[12:29] <ray_> bookmarked
[12:29] <lastk> ;)
[12:29] <ray_> I can't wait to try it.
[12:30] <ray_> geirha said ealier try apropos movie, he is showing me how to use the apropos command
[12:31] <lastk> sorry, what is apropos?
[12:31] <ray_> I don't know yet
[12:31] <ray_> try the command:apropos movie
[12:31] <ray_> It listed the different programs that can play movies installed
[12:31] <ray_> I think
[12:32] <lastk> oh,  nice
[12:32] <lastk> this is a ubuntu command right?
[12:32] <lastk> idont use ubuntu heheh
[12:32] <ray_> uuh, where did they go?
[12:32] <ray_> he said also try man -k
[12:33] <ray_> it says apropos what?
[12:34] <ray_> I guess it is a ubuntu command but  don't know
[12:34] <ray_> ah, I see
[12:34] <ray_> man -k apt-get
[12:35] <ray_> what commands are like man?
[12:36] <ray_> O, you don't use Ubuntu, OK that cool
[12:36] <ray_> What are you running?
[12:36] <duanedesign> hello geirha :)
[12:36] <lastk> archlinux
[12:37] <ray_> Hello duanedesign
[12:37] <geirha> apropos is not an ubuntu command, but it's not a standard unix command either, some systems have it, some don't.
[12:37] <geirha> Regardless, your system will have man, and man -k will do the same.
[12:37] <geirha> duanedesign: Hi :)
[12:37] <ray_> I never tried archlinux
[12:37] <ray_> I've mostly used Ubuntu
[12:38] <ray_> My uncle uses Madrake
[12:38] <lastk> :)
[12:38] <duanedesign> geirha: hmmm, what is the -k for. Guess I could do man man to find out :)
[12:38] <lastk> well, Iwill eat something
[12:38] <lastk> see ya
[12:38] <ray_> see ya and thank you
[12:39] <ray_> ya, man man
[12:39] <duanedesign> geirha: aha, that is cool
[12:39] <lastk> thank you too
[12:39] <lastk> ray_ : ?
[12:39] <lastk> talking to me?
[12:39] <ray_> see ya
[12:39] <ray_> have good eats
[12:39] <duanedesign> arch is good if you want to have total control and compile everything by hand
[12:40] <ray_> Does it remember where things are installed?
[12:40] <geirha> It has a package manager named pacman iirc
[12:40] <ray_> checkinstall is the cammand I have to remember for installing from source when installing from source works out for me
[12:41] <ray_> iirc that sounds a lot like the irc commandline program
[12:41] <ray_> pacman, lol
[12:41] <geirha> checkinstall will only work for behaving build-scripts though. It "usually" works.
[12:42] <ray_> well, it doesn't matter too much to me
[12:42] <ray_> but it's nice to have comtrol
[12:42] <ray_> what about slackware?
[12:42] <ray_> Have you guys tried it?
[12:43] <ray_> Is Slackware as hardcore as it gets?
[12:43] <geirha> If you want hardcore, try LFS (linux from scratch).
[12:44] <duanedesign> LFS
[12:44] <duanedesign> d'oh, geirha beat me
[12:44] <duanedesign> after LFS, I would say Arch
[12:44] <ray_> lol, compiling linux from source?
[12:44] <duanedesign> build your own distro from scratch
[12:44] <geirha> Yes, you build a linux system from scratch
[12:45] <geirha> My knowledge of linux skyrocketed after going through that book.
[12:45] <duanedesign> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[12:45] <duanedesign> geirha: definetly
[12:45] <ray_> Crazy cool
[12:46] <duanedesign> it is kinda addicting and time consuming though :)
[12:46] <ray_> I've thought about stepping out to try Debian since I am using Ubuntu
[12:46] <duanedesign> Debian is very nice
[12:46] <duanedesign> I stick with UBuntu/Debian and Fedora
[12:47] <ray_> Customizable no worry of Ubuntu packages getting in the way, but I think I would mis having so much at my finger tips
[12:47] <ray_> Ubuntu is nice
[12:48] <ray_> Learning, so much I haven't learned
[12:48] <duanedesign> oh, and tinycore linux. I keep a copy of that on one of my old machines
[12:48] <ray_> Good thing I have an extra hard drive
[12:49] <ray_> O, man, I wanted to get the screen saver for Star Trek working we used to have
[12:49] <ray_> it was on Win 3.1
[12:49] <ray_> it was funny as all heck
[12:49] <ray_> I looked on youtube and couldn't find it
[12:50] <ray_> It had data dancing dances like the fox trot
[12:50] <ray_> Anyways about 4 to 8 months ago I tried Win 3.1 on dosbox
[12:50] <ray_> but I couldn't get that screen saver to work. Good times though
[12:51] <ray_> we make good times though
[12:51] <ray_> Thank you for the link
[12:53] <ray_> Sorry for going off topic
[12:54] <duanedesign> no worries. As long as it is slow like this I do not see a problem
[12:54] <ray_> I want to try out other Linux distros
[12:57] <ray_> I was just watching this video earlier:
[12:57] <ray_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfDXz6aRDhA
[12:57] <duanedesign> ray_: distrowatch is a good place to read about all kinds of distros
[12:58] <ray_> right distrowatch
[12:58] <ray_> I was around someone who liked gentoo
[12:58] <ray_> on myspace
[13:00] <ray_> Wil Wheaton uses Mandrake
[13:01] <duanedesign> gentoo has a nice wiki
[13:24] <ray_> I read the gentoo wiki, I am now checking out the LFS website you guys linked
[13:40] <ray_> Is the book for LFS scratch on this website: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ?
[13:41] <ray_> I found BLFS
[13:41] <ray_> Is this it:
[13:41] <ray_> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
[13:42] <geirha> That's Beyond Linux From Scratch. Once you've completed LFS, you can continue with BLFS.
[13:42] <geirha> Yes, that's the one.
[13:44] <ray_> Right, this is BLFS: http://archive.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs-museum/1.0/BLFS-1.0/
[13:44] <ray_> the beginning of BLFS which is ever LFS
[13:45] <ray_> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/
[13:58] <ray_> Is there a program like orbitdownloader for linux?
[13:58] <geirha> Perhaps ... what would a program like orbitdownloader do?
[13:59] <ray_> http://www.orbitdownloader.com/flv-downloader/download-flv-firefox.htm
[14:00] <ray_> Download videos like the addon downloadhelper for firefox
[14:00] <ray_> Though I am not sure if that would work, I should try it some time
[14:01] <ray_> I used to use Dhelper for youtube videos
[14:01] <ray_> I mean downloadhelper
[14:02] <geirha> I have no idea
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> ray_: ever tried DownThemAll?
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> ray_: it's like the Internet Download Manger for Firefox :)
[14:04] <ray_> never heard of it
[14:04] <JoeMaverickSett> let me get you a link
[14:05] <JoeMaverickSett> ray_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall/ :)
[14:06] <ray_> Nice, it has pause and resume
[14:06] <JoeMaverickSett> yup
[14:07] <Synth_sam> Hi everyone, I need to install lucid on an external drive without overwriting the MBR of sda, do you think that I can do that with the alternate disc?
[14:10] <ray_> Thank you. Another helpful addon. I should go.
[14:10] <ray_> Thank you
[14:10] <BigMac> does anyone know when firefox 3.6.15 will be available in the repositories?
[14:13] <Synth_sam> not sure, any particular reason?
[14:14] <BigMac> yes, there's some java issues with the current release
[14:15] <Synth_sam> you could install from mozilla team ppa
[14:16] <JoeMaverickSett> the daily build has 3.6.16, there's no breakage yet...at least to me..
[14:16] <JoeMaverickSett> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[14:16] <BigMac> oh, i'm not very technical, i'm pretty much a n00b, how would i go about that
[14:16] <BigMac> oh, ok, thanks
[14:17] <JoeMaverickSett> well, if you're going to use it, bare in mind it's a daily build, so you might experience some breakage.
[14:17] <BigMac> ok, i might wait for the final release
[14:18] <JoeMaverickSett> that _would_ be a good idea. :)
[14:18] <BigMac> the reason i want the next release is that my net bank reported that the current version had some java malfunction, so i can't get into my net bank
[14:18] <BigMac> it's not a disaster tho
[14:18] <BigMac> cause i have a mac
[14:21] <BigMac> if i do as described at the launchpad site, will downloading a daily build update my firefox without any breakage, provided that the build itself is ok?
[14:30] <duanedesign> BigMac: yes.
[14:30] <JoeMaverickSett> i guess so. i've not had any breakage from daily builds apart from trying to pull in some unsuccessful/still building ppa(s) :D
[14:30] <JoeMaverickSett> D'oh!
[14:31] <duanedesign> BigMac: the easiest way to add the ppa is :  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[14:32] <duanedesign> BigMac: then this command should pick up the new version available:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:32] <BigMac> ok, thanks
[14:33] <BigMac> but if i do that, will i be able to update to the final release version of ff when it arrives?
[14:44] <ikt> heya, is there a command to tell whether I have the open source ati driver installed or the proprietary ati driver installed?
[14:44] <bioterror> dpkg -l |grep ati
[14:47] <ikt> bioterror, mmm anyway to search without including description?
[14:48] <bioterror> dpkg -l tells what you have on your system installed
[14:53] <ikt> yea
[14:54] <ikt> how do I know which is the open source driver and which is the proprietary one?
[14:54] <bioterror> radeonhd is opensource
[14:56] <ikt> ty
[15:41] <shaggy179> I changed monitors. from a 14" cathode ray to a 19" LCD (TV). want to chance display resulation. can't figure out where.
[15:42] <ray_> hello
[15:42] <wolfpack> hi ray_
[15:42] <ray_> I wanted to share something
[15:42] <ray_> Are the people I was talking to still around?
[15:44] <ray_> hello duanedesign and geirha
[15:44] <ray_> and hello wolfpack
[15:45] <duanedesign> hello ray_
[15:45] <ray_> I added the addon download them all
[15:45] <ray_> rather downthemall
[15:45] <ray_> and I couldn't get it to download videos
[15:46] <ray_> so I downloaded downloadhelper
[15:46] <ray_> and together I used them both to download a video from project free tv
[15:47] <ray_> It worked great
[15:47] <ray_> thank you duanedesign
[15:48] <ray_> I have yet to try it out more but it worked great so far
[15:48] <ray_> I watched the first episode of 3rd rock from the sun
[15:49] <duanedesign> ray_: that is great
[15:49] <ray_> thank you
[15:49] <ray_> finally, I can download and not worry if it is going to reload in the middle of watching a video
[15:50] <ray_> Thank you, I should go and get some sleep, good bye
[15:51] <duanedesign> o/
[15:51] <ray_> o/
[16:37] <Guest56472> hi,all,i hava a problem.i can ping a website but i can't open it by chrome
[16:37] <Guest56472> i open the resolv.conf,# Generated by NetworkManager
[16:37] <Guest56472> domain mshome.net
[16:37] <Guest56472> search mshome.net
[16:37] <Guest56472> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:38] <Guest56472> but it should be 1<IP_ADDRESS>,i change it ,but it re
[16:41] <Guest56472> who can help me
[19:17] <Cheri703> I am trying to use a liveCD on an OLD computer, and with 2 different versions (10.04 and 9.10) I am getting "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" most of what I'm finding online is regarding an already installed system, so I'm not sure where to go from here
[19:17] <johnny77> I need to make a script of commands needing root privelages. Can I get that to run at startup without needing to type my password?
[19:24] <aveilleux> johnny77: put it into /etc/rc.local
[19:25] <Cheri703> I get the error if I try to run the disk check from the initial screen, or if I try to just install...
[19:29] <johnny77> aveilleux: thank you, once again!
[19:30] <aveilleux> johnny77: No problem
[19:31] <duanedesign> Cheri703: can you get the Live session to work on the LiveCD
[19:31] <Cheri703> nope
[19:32] <duanedesign> :\
[19:32] <Cheri703> I choose "try without installing" and get the error
[19:32] <Cheri703> it's an OLD computer, but I need the floppy drive...
[19:36] <duanedesign> Cheri703: could be a bad CD burn. Also check the md5of the download
[19:37] <Cheri703> both cds have worked in the past
[19:37] <Cheri703> and BOTH cds get the same error
[19:37] <duanedesign> hmmm
[19:39] <Cheri703> :/ it will boot into win98 though!
[19:39] <Cheri703> that's what's installed on it -_-
[19:39] <Cheri703> I might see if I can just steal the floppy out of it, my desktop doesn't like the one that's in it...
[19:41] <rainstake> permissions denied in UI when trying to rmdir .caine-from-deb, anyone know the answer to this dilemma?
[19:41] <duanedesign> sudo
[19:41] <duanedesign> oh in ui
[19:42] <duanedesign> rainstake: if you are trying to manipulate a file that is outside your users Home directory you will need t open a root version of nautilus
[19:42] <rainstake> I installed it from the download page, that is, I installed Caine, but then it was broken (their term) and so I wanted to remove it and was denied.
[19:43] <rainstake> Okay.  So install nautilus?  I have Ubuntu 10.04.
[19:43] <duanedesign> you can open a Terminal and type: gksudo nautilus
[19:43] <rainstake> Okay.  Trying that now.
[19:43] <duanedesign> rainstake: nautilus is the window manager in Ubuntu
[19:43]  * Cheri703 gave up and put the floppy into a different computer...
[19:44] <duanedesign> Cheri703: the only other thing i could think of is trying different boot parameters. I think it is f6 when the CD starts. maybe put at the end:   noapic nosplash
[19:44] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[19:44] <Cheri703> I may come back to it at some point
[19:45] <rainstake> Thank you duanedesign.  The root File Browser popped up (i.e. opened).  A 'Desktop' icon exists.
[19:45] <Cheri703> looks like it may be working in the other computer
[19:46] <aveilleux> rainstake: That's /root/Desktop... your Desktop folder is /home/<username>/Desktop
[19:49] <rainstake> Is there a next step to take in rmdir .caine-from-deb?  I even tried to recursively remove it.
[19:49] <aveilleux> rainstake: Did you do an rm -r .caine-from-deb ?
[19:50] <rainstake> I tried, and even tried a rmdir -rf, but no success.
[19:51] <aveilleux> rainstake: sudo rm -rf .caine-from-deb/ ?
[19:51] <rainstake> Okay, I am tyring that now.
[19:53] <rainstake> Success!  Thank you, aveilleux.  So, now I have to read up on the properties of sudo.  That' is so nice to have it removed.  Now I can see what the problem was with installing it in the first place.
[19:53] <rainstake> Merci!!!
[19:53] <rainstake> Thank you, too, duanedesign.
[19:54] <aveilleux> rainstake: No problem
[19:54] <aveilleux> !sudo | rainstake
[19:54] <rainstake> how to install an update of mozilla, when it downloads as a .tar or whatever?
[19:54] <aveilleux> Oh no, where did ubot go D:
[19:55] <aveilleux> rainstake: Do you need to update Firefox manually? Is the version in the repositories not sufficient?
[19:56] <rainstake> Yes, to both your questions, it seems.  I thought downloading the new mozilla (Firefox, really) would update to the new Firefox version automatically, but it looks like I have to manually open the tar and then implement it in UI.
[19:56] <rainstake> I mean via command line.
[19:56] <rainstake> Same goes for a warzone2100 game I want to install.
[19:57] <duanedesign> rainstake: here is a good link that explains root and sudo  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:58] <rainstake> Great, thank you, duandesign.  I have to go, now, because I need to do some errands while the sun is out.  You all are very awesome and I think this is an very great support communty.
[19:58] <duanedesign> awesome come back and see us
[19:58] <rainstake> Definitly.
[19:58] <rainstake> Cheers.
[19:58] <duanedesign> o/
[20:12] <Cheri703> so, new question: I now have ubuntu recognizing that a floppy drive exists, but won't read the disk
[20:13] <Cheri703> so how do I get it to recognize?
[20:13] <Cheri703> the files on the disks are from an old mac
[20:13] <Cheri703> don't know if that has anything to do with it
[20:16] <aveilleux> Cheri703: It might be using the hfs file system, and I don't know if the Linux kernel supports it by default
[20:16] <Cheri703> ok, can support be installed?
[20:17] <Cheri703> because it isn't acknowledging that anything is on the disks (I've tried 2)
[20:21] <pleia2> not sure it supports it by default, but you should be able to modprobe the module if it's not already loaded
[20:21] <pleia2> so first do: lsmod | grep hfs
[20:21] <pleia2> that will list modules and see if hfs is in there (it's not on mine by default)
[20:21] <pleia2> if you get nothing from that command: sudo modprobe hfsplus
[20:22] <pleia2> that will load the hfs module into the kernel and hopefully it'll work from there
[20:23] <Cheri703> ok
[20:23] <Cheri703> worth a shot!
[20:28] <Cheri703> no love :(
[20:31] <geirha> sudo file -s /dev/fd0
[20:31] <geirha> I think that should tell you what filesystem it uses.
[20:32] <Cheri703> /dev/fd0: DOS floppy 1440k, x86 hard disk boot sector
[20:33] <geirha> Does this output anything?   sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
[20:34] <geirha> If not, try: ls /mnt
[20:34] <Cheri703> yay!
[20:34] <Cheri703> now to see if I can open the dang files!
[20:35] <pleia2> :)
[20:35] <Cheri703> thank you!
[20:35] <ibuclaw> Cheri703, floopy disk?
[20:35] <Cheri703> yup
[20:36]  * ibuclaw recalls some Gnome tool for that
[20:36] <Cheri703> going to remove a bunch of files for a client who doesn't have a 3.5 floppy drive anymore
[20:36] <geirha> It's been ages since I had a floppy drive, so I don't know any ways to access it other than from the command line :)
[20:37] <ibuclaw> apt-cache search floppy
[20:37] <ibuclaw> fdutils - Linux floppy utilities
[20:38] <ibuclaw> The package includes the following items:
[20:38] <ibuclaw> - fdmount: automatically mounts/unmounts disks when they are inserted/removed;
[20:38] <Cheri703> ahhh, sweet
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[20:39] <ibuclaw> I'll have a look at the package like
[20:39] <ibuclaw> s/like/list
[20:39] <Cheri703> hmm, one of them was a doc, but this next one is all weird names and junk, and it's saying "pc formatted disk with no filesystem"
[20:39] <ibuclaw> looks like it might have a service that comes with the package too
[20:39] <Cheri703> no idea what format the files are :/
[20:41] <ibuclaw> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/fdutils/filelist
[20:41] <ibuclaw> nope, no service. :)
[21:21] <mic_working> hello
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> Hai mic_working
[21:22] <mic_working> hello. Which video capture card do you recommend for Ubuntu/Linux?
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: It used to be nVidia, but I've heard stories of people running Ati great these days as well...I'm running Ati with default graphics....works great...only backlight dimming doesn't work
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....capture card....
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> Didn't read you question well :P
[21:23] <mic_working> lol
[21:23] <mic_working> well i have an nvidia
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: Capture card, as in TV recording?
[21:24] <mic_working> yes MrChrisDruif
[21:24] <MrChrisDruif> Analog or digital?
[21:24] <mic_working> both
[21:24] <mic_working> I dont know how it works
[21:25] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: ie from AV to the computer
[21:25] <mic_working> analog right.
[21:25] <mic_working> or hdmi to the computer
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> AV?
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: what are you trying to accomplish? :)
[21:28] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: video capturing.
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> From what source?
[21:28] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: from VHS/DVD
[21:28] <mic_working> Antena etc
[21:28] <mic_working> to the computer
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> Aha...
[21:28] <mic_working> ?
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> VHS is at least analog :)
[21:28] <mic_working> i know that
[21:29] <mic_working> 21:24:31 <MrChrisDruif> Analog or digital?                                                                                +tronyx
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> You need to know what output your source has ...
[21:29] <mic_working> 21:24:37 ::: alphur<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote host closed the connection]                                                                                +UndiFineD
[21:29] <mic_working> 21:24:40 <mic_working> both
[21:29] <UndiFineD> mic_working: ?
[21:29] <mic_working> copy paste fail
[21:29] <UndiFineD> :P
[21:29] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: ok if I want from VHS
[21:29] <mic_working> to the computer
[21:30] <mic_working> what do I need
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: You need a video capture card which can handle analog input...I'm looking if I can find a list of some sort :)
[21:31] <alphur> what
[21:31] <mic_working> yeah
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html <- this might help...
[21:31] <mic_working> I think my nvidia card has a capture thing
[21:31] <mic_working> not sure.
[21:32] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: Mythtv is open source project that is focused at video capturing...the link I send should mention things like which hardware is supported and which software you'd need :)
[21:33] <mic_working> yeah im reading
[21:41] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gts_250_us.html
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: You've got that card?
[21:42] <mic_working> yea
[21:42] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it seems it's only a graphics card mic_working :)
[21:43] <mic_working> :)
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Like graphics out only....not in :)
[21:43] <mic_working> yeah not in
[21:43] <mic_working> :p
[21:43] <whyme> hi !
[21:43] <mic_working> hello
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Only Ati used to have TV cards integrated .... All-in-wonders they were called if I remember correct :)
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Hai whyme :) Why is it you?
[21:44] <mic_working> i dont like ati
[21:45] <mic_working> :)
[21:45] <whyme> yes, ati all in wonder, i was the good old time ....
[21:46] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: http://i52.tinypic.com/2dljaqt.png do you know which app is this to test the speakers id like to reinstall it
[21:46] <MrChrisDruif> I've had an Ati 9700 and now a radeon 3540 or something...passed the all-in-wonders
[21:46] <mic_working> because it's not working lol
[21:46] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: I don't know...never used it....but you're on Ubuntu right?
[21:47] <mic_working> yes
[21:47] <mic_working> #ubuntu aint help
[21:47] <mic_working> too many ppl asking questions few answering
[21:47] <MrChrisDruif> You can go to the sound preferences (System > Sound I think) and check which output is selected :)
[21:47] <whyme> could some help me with my little firefox/flash/youtube problem ?
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> !ask
[21:48] <mic_working> whyme: it's crashing right :)
[21:48] <mic_working> firefox update ruined it
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> No !ask?.... whyme: just ask :)
[21:49] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: No ubot2 in the userlist today :(
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm....how's ubot2? Is he sick?
[21:51] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: Did you find it?
[21:56] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: ei yes.. everything is working
[21:56] <mic_working> front and back jacks speakers and mic
[21:57] <mic_working> hdmi audio out
[21:57] <mic_working> etc
[21:57] <mic_working> only the test speakers isnt.
[21:59] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: Who needs "test" speakers? I prefer speakers I can hear :D
[21:59] <mic_working> yeah
[22:00] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: it's just I uninstalled stuff related with audio before
[22:00] <mic_working> and that stopped working.
[22:00] <mic_working> ;(
[22:01] <mic_working> if i could reinstall this thing
[22:01] <mic_working> maybe it would work again
[22:02] <mic_working> dunno.
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> None of your speakers are producing sound?
[22:02] <mic_working> they are
[22:03] <mic_working> the problem is that application to test the sound
[22:03] <mic_working> I press left and right but it doesnt produce sound lol
[22:03] <mic_working> and logs dont show information about it
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Does that application have some output selection setting somewhere?
[22:06] <mic_working> no lol
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...I dunno :)
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> But testing application is only for testing....real functioning ALWAYS has my vote over testing :P
[22:07] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: it has an option to select the device i want to test
[22:07] <mic_working> analog stereo duplex
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> That's what I meant....output, device to test....same to me :)
[22:08] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: it's some config file that is messed up
[22:08] <mic_working> because it works in livecd/fresh install
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> You could try sudo apt-get purge <app-name> -y && sudo apt-get install <app-name>
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> Purge also removes config files
[22:10] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: i dont even know the name of the package
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> The -y suggests yes, so you don't have to confirm you want to purge it...
[22:10] <mic_working> gnome-volume-control
[22:10] <mic_working> i guess
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> Where could I find this sound testing app?
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> Never heard of it (nor found the need for it :P)
[22:10] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: system preferences sound
[22:11] <mic_working> then hardware tab
[22:11] <mic_working> choose device and click test
[22:12] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: take a look http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/speaker-setup.html
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> That sound testing thing also doesn't work with me....but I can play music all I want :P
[22:13] <mic_working> yeah
[22:13] <mic_working> strange
[22:13] <mic_working> ll
[22:13] <mic_working> it's a bug or something
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah...<_<"
[22:15] <mic_working> fvck it
[22:15] <mic_working> :p
[22:15] <mic_working> god damn
[22:15] <mic_working> another firefox crash related with flash.
[22:16] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....somehow I got it working <_<"
[22:16] <mic_working> how?!
[22:16] <MrChrisDruif> Somehow my hdmi output was selected <_<"
[22:16] <mic_working> hm
[22:16] <mic_working> I also hdmi output but it doesnt show in gnome-volume thing
[22:17] <mic_working> maybe it's using the hdmi
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> Was playing some movies this afternoon....but was hearing sound on my headphones <_<"
[22:18] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm....it's not configured right I believe...it doesn't overwrite current settings or something....
[22:19] <mic_working> it doesnt with hdmi
[22:19] <mic_working> work
[22:20] <mic_working> is there a way to "track" what audio device is doing?
[22:21]  * MrChrisDruif thinks there is....but doesn't know what app does that :P
[22:21] <mic_working> lol
[22:30] <duanedesign> padevcontrol
[22:32] <mic_working> duanedesign: i only have pavucontrol
[22:32] <mic_working> and there is padevchooser
[22:33] <duanedesign> sorry it is pavucontrol
[22:33] <mic_working> yes i have it
[22:34] <mic_working> duanedesign: it looks like these buttons http://i52.tinypic.com/2dljaqt.png are disabled
[22:34] <mic_working> :\
[22:35] <mic_working> padevchooser:
[22:35] <mic_working>  Depends: paprefs but it is not going to be installed
[22:37] <duanedesign> mic_working: i wouldnt worry about it, mine do not work either :P
[22:38] <mic_working> bug maybe
[22:38] <mic_working> :)
[22:38] <duanedesign> i think so
[22:38] <mic_working> duanedesign: do you what is this for
[22:38] <mic_working> pulseaudio-module-jack
[22:41] <duanedesign> it allows pulse audio to talk to the JACK daemon
[22:41] <mic_working> duanedesign: do you if it comes already installed in ubuntu?
[22:41] <mic_working> know*
[22:43] <duanedesign> no, unless you are using UBuntu Studio
[22:43] <mic_working> hm ok tks
[22:43] <mic_working> duanedesign: btw do you anything  about video capture in linux?
[22:43] <mic_working> know* (sh!t)
[22:44] <duanedesign> I have used PiTiVi
[22:44] <duanedesign> the default video editor
[22:44] <mic_working> duanedesign: i mean capture from tv/vhs/dvd using a video capture card
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> He really wants to capture video duanedesign :)
[22:44] <mic_working> :D
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> I gave him a link to mythtv with supported hardware etc...
[22:44] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: and im also thinking of streaming with VLC
[22:46] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: im from portugal and now they use dvb-t
[22:46] <mic_working> but i still dont have it only antenna and iptv
[22:46] <duanedesign> mic_working: you could probablly find lots of threads on the forums about that
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> Ow god....dvb-t....I hope it's better than dvb-t in holland <_<"
[22:47] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: I have a iptv service that uses a box
[22:47] <mic_working> it's like a mediacenter but the content inside of it is encrypted
[22:47] <mic_working> :p
[22:49] <mic_working> Finding cards that will work under a Linux operating system isn't as easy as browsing Amazon for a good choice and checking which operating systems are supported by the device - you will need to do more research based on the type of card and the number of tuners in order to find out if there is a Linux driver suitable for the device. This is a regularly-changing world of information, so there are a couple of websites that you should vi
[22:50] <mic_working> linuxtv.org
[22:50] <mic_working> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information
[22:51] <mic_working> Video Disk Recorder, also known as Linux VDR, a software to record and store digital video on a Linux computer
[22:52] <mic_working> good?
[22:56] <metta> that isn't really ubuntu related, try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic mic_working
[23:02] <mic_working> it's linux related lol
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> What?
[23:05] <MrChrisDruif> mic_working: Also PVR is used (Personal Video Recorder)
[23:06] <mic_working> MrChrisDruif: im watching a video about vlc streaming
[23:06] <mic_working> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e58m-UAbZoE
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> Good going... mic_working
[23:06] <mic_working> lol
[23:38] <mic_working> streaming music
[23:38] <mic_working> lol
[23:38]  * mic_working hides from MAFIAA
[23:39] <mic_working> vlc encrypts the traffic nice