[07:30] <Not_Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  No...
[07:30] <Not_Dr_Willis>  i put things in my USERS (as in the people who are USERS on the system) bin. :P
[07:30] <stray77> i think
[07:31] <Darkkish> can someone help me?
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#can_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:31] <stray77> sounds like youre trying to mount an ntfs partition on hdb1
[07:31] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: /home/*name*/bin dunt exist
[07:31] <unix_infidel> Not_Dr_Willis eh/
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> Thats the Definitive NTFS under Linux web site. :P
[07:31] <gibson_sg> it said it wasnt an ntfs
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  logic 101 says... MAKE the directory then. :)
[07:31] <Kiongku_> ah lol
[07:31] <stray77> "i did not format it, it was from when i had windows will it not work"  implies ntfs
[07:32] <geneo93> try fdisk -l
[07:32] <unix_infidel> hey guys i have two network interfaces one ipw and one intelgigabit, is it possible for me to connect both devices to two seperate routers on two seperate subnets without them interfering?
[07:32] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733 help me! i get this right before wine fails
[07:33] <stray77> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb -l
[07:34] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[07:34] <Darkkish> >_> so no one can help me?
[07:35] <Darkkish> stray77: do you know whats wrong? this is the error i get right before wine crashes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733
[07:35] <Not_Dr_Willis> well night all.
[07:35] <stray77> darkish, i looked, i dont know.
[07:35] <Darkkish> :(
[07:35] <flake> howdy ho
[07:35] <gibson_sg> HPFS/NTFS
[07:35] <stray77> toldya
[07:36] <Kiongku_> omg my informant is gone XD
[07:36] <Kiongku_> btw what time is it at ur place ppl?
[07:36] <Kiongku_> 9 36 am o0
[07:36] <Darkkish> 10:35
[07:36] <Darkkish> PM
[07:36] <Kiongku_> lol darkish.. ur on other side of the planet from me XD
[07:38] <Darkkish> yep
[07:38] <Darkkish> where do you live>?
[07:38] <maltaethiron> where are you at darkkish?
[07:39] <Darkkish> seattle
[07:39] <Darkkish> washington state
[07:39] <maltaethiron> ok
[07:39] <maltaethiron> im at detroit
[07:39] <Darkkish> oh
[07:39] <stray77> gibson_sg if i recall correctly, it would be: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
[07:39] <Darkkish> that will allow read/write?
[07:40] <gibson_sg> should i edit fstab to NTFS for type
[07:41] <stray77> yes
[07:41] <stray77> gibson, is there anything on the drive now that you want?
[07:41] <gibson_sg> yea about 6 thousand songs
[07:41] <stray77> data?
[07:41] <stray77> ok
[07:41] <stray77> then dont format it
[07:41] <gibson_sg> it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[07:42] <Darkkish> ok
[07:42] <Darkkish> guys
[07:42] <Darkkish> wow doesn't run in directx
[07:42] <Darkkish> but i only get the issue in opengl
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt# cd /mnt/ntfs
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt/ntfs# ls
[07:43] <stray77> AUTOEXEC.BAT  Documents and Settings  ntldr          System Volume Information
[07:43] <stray77> AVG7QT.DAT    IO.SYS                  pagefile.sys   WINDOWS
[07:43] <stray77> boot.ini      MSDOS.SYS               Program Files
[07:43] <stray77> CONFIG.SYS    NTDETECT.COM            RECYCLER
[07:43] <stray77> note my ntfs drive is hda1, yours is hdb1
[07:44] <Darkkish> k fixed
[07:44] <Darkkish> :)
[07:44] <Darkkish> i opened it in directx
[07:44] <Darkkish> and then once again in opengl
[07:44] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:44] <gibson_sg> yea my main hd is hda1
[07:44] <gibson_sg> it says my new volume is hdb1
[07:45] <stray77> gibson_sg, if you wanna pm me ill help you out
[07:45] <gibson_sg> do i have to register?
[07:46] <stray77> i dont think so, im not registered
[07:46] <stray77> can you see my pm?
[07:46] <Kiongku_> need a good download manager XD
[07:47] <Kiongku_> prozilla too frustrating..
[07:47] <Jucato> Kiongku_: what browser are you using?
[07:47] <Kiongku_> firefoz
[07:47] <Kiongku_> firefox
[07:47] <Jucato> ooh...
[07:47] <gibson_sg> no
[07:47] <Darkkish> k anyone else get wow to run
[07:47] <Jucato> too bad.. T_T
[07:47] <Kiongku_> lol
[07:47] <Kiongku_> i'll use kget nevertheless
[07:47] <Kiongku_> i duntn want to mess up my system with prozilla
[07:48] <Darkkish> wow
[07:48] <Darkkish> i'm never going to remember that name lol
[07:48] <Darkkish> anyways chan = registered
[07:48] <Darkkish> you can come back :)
[07:48] <_g4lv4tr0n> cool
[07:49] <gibson_sg> stray77 do you see my pm?
[07:50] <Kiongku_> jucato: simple.. i'll just open the download link with konqueror XD
[07:50] <stray77> yep
[07:50] <Jucato> Kiongku_: ehehe! that's one way of doing it :-D
[07:51] <gibson_sg>  / msg nickserv register <your-password> to register i think
[07:51] <Kiongku_> jucato: yeah.. no system mess up.. can easily remove kget when i want.. >make install seems troublesome to remove
[07:51] <stray77> ok gimme a sec
[07:52] <Jucato> why would you ever want to remove kget? bwahahahah!! (evil laugh)
[07:53] <Kiongku_> hey ppl.. any idea how to look up at present connection usage
[07:53] <Kiongku_> i have a prog in windows which show my modem activity.. anything similar in kubuntu?
[07:54] <Darkkish> you mean like
[07:55] <Darkkish> ethereal?
[07:55] <Darkkish> packet sniffer?
[07:55] <Kiongku_> hmm
[07:55] <Jucato> Kiongku_: you can try KNemo or KNetload
[07:55] <Kiongku_> already integrated?
[07:55] <gibson_sg> what is a bad superblock?
[07:56] <shocktrooper1> how can I erase a second hd on my system?
[07:56] <shocktrooper1> to make it for storage
[07:56] <gibson_sg> format it
[07:57] <shocktrooper1> with fdisk?
[07:57] <stray77> fdisk partitions
[07:57] <stray77> mkfs formats
[07:57] <shocktrooper1> what about reiser?  I heard good things about it
[07:58] <Kiongku_> jucato: which one better knemo or knetload
[07:58] <kieran> How do i disable the tooltip crap in KDE?
[07:58] <Jucato> Kiongku_: depends. if you want more info, I think KNetload is better
[07:59] <Jucato> kieran: the big boxes?
[07:59] <kieran> yes.
[07:59] <kieran> First think i noticed that did my head in :-)
[07:59] <Jucato> right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > Appearance options > uncheck  Enable icon mouseover effects?
[08:00] <kieran> Thanks
[08:03] <Kiongku_> lol
[08:03] <Kiongku_> download stalled
[08:04] <Kiongku_> kget seems slow
[08:05] <Jucato> depends on the download, I think
[08:06] <Kiongku_> jucato: i'll try download something else to test
[08:07] <Jucato> Kiongku_: try downloading the same thing using Firefox's downloader
[08:07] <Kiongku_> hmm? its a big file
[08:07] <Kiongku_> i rather try something else?
[08:08] <shocktrooper1> weird.  I reformated hdb1 to reiser but windows is still on there
[08:09] <maltaethiron> !stepmania
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <shocktrooper1> how can I remove windows from hdb1 from kubuntu?
[08:10] <Kiongku_> yay tried another link
[08:11] <Kiongku_> that one is freaking slow
[08:11] <Kiongku_> i thought kget was messed up
[08:13] <Sikon> anyone?
[08:13] <Kiongku_> hmm?
[08:14] <Kiongku_> noone
[08:14] <Jucato> ??
[08:14] <maltaethiron> ok guys, maltaethiron is installing stepmania
[08:14] <maltaethiron> first off, should i dl the source or binary?
[08:16] <maltaethiron> anyone, anyone?
[08:18] <Kiongku_> jucato: knet load does not show anything in the kicker panal
[08:18] <Kiongku_> *panel
[08:18] <Jucato> Kiongku_: did you run it already?
[08:18] <Jucato> it doesn't add itself to the panel automatically
[08:19] <Kiongku_> jucato: i ran it
[08:19] <Kiongku_> jucato: it shows as a black box of in and out
[08:19] <Jucato> Kiongku_: that box slowly fills up
[08:20] <Kiongku> jucato: what u mean by fill up?
[08:20] <flake> how do i know if i am logged in as root or as user
[08:20] <Jucato> like some graphs/lines, depending on the network activity
[08:22] <Kiongku> jucato: bah i cant see anything. the only good thing is when i click it in kickerpanel , an info box open.. thats enough for me then
[08:22] <Sikon> I installed the newest Russian language packs, but KDM is still in English. How can I localize it?
[08:23] <flake> what's the windows equiv of 'type', to show a file's contents
[08:24] <Jucato> flake: cat <filename>
[08:24] <Jucato> file <filename> to show what kind of file it is
[08:24] <flake> ty
[08:24] <Jucato> yw
[08:25] <flake> under my kde i have to sudo to do anything, under Ubuntu gnome, it appears i can?
[08:25] <flake> i can save a text file without sudo
[08:25] <Sikon> save a text file where?
[08:25] <flake> am i logged in as root
[08:26] <flake> home / user
[08:26] <Sikon> you can save to non-system folders without sudo
[08:26] <Jucato> flake: you only need to use sudo if you're going to do something that requires root/administrator priviliges
[08:26] <Sikon> your home dir is one of them
[08:27] <flake> doh, thanks
[08:27] <fatejudger> it seems that every time I play a video in the embedded KMPlayer in Konqueror, it jacks up the master volume
[08:27] <fatejudger> is there any way to prevent this from happening?
[08:27] <fatejudger> it's like it sets the master at around 80% as soon as a video file starts playing
[08:27] <fatejudger> but it doesn't happen when using Kaffeine
[08:33] <flake> is stopping mysql and apache2 considered admin type stuff
[08:33] <Jucato> flake: I think so
[08:35] <fatejudger> flake: no
[08:35] <unix_infidel> flake: define admin type stuff.
[08:36] <flake> i'm ok, always am so paranoid
[08:36] <fatejudger> flake: not as long as you run it as a user
[08:36] <flake> it wont let me start it
[08:36] <thoreauputic> scripts in /etc/init.d require sudo
[08:36] <flake> as user
[08:36] <flake> which is ok
[08:37] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start  for instance
[08:37] <flake> yes I am fine, I got confused when I looked at the gnome interface for a second time
[08:38] <Darkkish> OMG!
[08:38] <Darkkish> i got wow working perfectly guys
[08:38] <Darkkish> on wine
[08:38] <Darkkish> :)
[08:38] <flake> world of warcraft?
[08:38] <Darkkish> yes
[08:38] <Darkkish> i was having all kinds of errrors
[08:38] <Darkkish> but
[08:38] <flake> wish bf2 would work, but then wish it would work on windows anyway
[08:38] <Darkkish> i got it to work PERFECTLY
[08:38] <Darkkish> haha
[08:39] <fatejudger> how can something work perfectly if it has errors?
[08:39] <Darkkish> yeah bf2 doesn't hardly work on windows >_>
[08:39] <Darkkish> fatejudger:  it had errors earlier
[08:39] <fatejudger> WoW sucks anyway
[08:39] <Darkkish> now its running 25 fps :)
[08:39] <Darkkish> nah
[08:40] <fatejudger> it takes too much time to play
[08:40] <ironfroggy> how can i install something that is in a debian repository?
[08:40] <fatejudger> who has time for life when you play WoW?
[08:40] <unix_infidel> i know people who would bludgeon you with a large piece of wood for saying WoW sucks.
[08:40] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: press the install key
[08:41] <Darkkish> me too
[08:41] <Darkkish> infact
[08:41] <Darkkish> you're lucky you werent in the room when you said that
[08:41] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: eh?
[08:41] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: the install key, don't you know about it?
[08:41] <Darkkish> or you would probably have a bruise somewhere
[08:41] <Darkkish> or be incapable of reproducing from thenon
[08:42] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: either you have a productive response or you dont. guess which one yours is.
[08:42] <Darkkish> lol
[08:42] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: entertaining?
[08:42] <aliasfred> keep cool guys and stay on topic aka kubuntu
[08:42] <ironfroggy> was i taking it to any other topic?
[08:42] <aliasfred> arguing about which window game is best is not part of it
[08:43] <fatejudger> aliasfred: are you the IRC police?
[08:43] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please stay on topic
[08:43] <fatejudger> aliasfred: yeah, that's what I thought
[08:43] <aliasfred> thanks
[08:43] <Darkkish> lmao
[08:44] <fatejudger> if you spent any time in this channel at all you'd know that half the stuff people discuss on here is offtopic
[08:44] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please stay on topic
[08:44] <Jucato> not really half, just about a third...
[08:44] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: but when people ask you to stay ON topic its best to do so.
[08:44] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution
[08:44] <fatejudger> Jucato: it depends what time you're talking about
[08:44] <Kiongku_> Pfft.. trouble downloading the big files without a download manager
[08:44] <unix_infidel> as you are probably interfering with their genuine discussion or necessity to get help.
[08:45] <aliasfred> Kiongkun_: what is your problem ?
[08:45] <fatejudger> oh yeah, does anyone have a question about Kubuntu then?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> Kiongku:  wget -c http://url.to.file.com
[08:45] <Jucato> Kiongku_: err... big files are really hard to download, even without a download manager..
[08:45] <Jucato> unless you have a very fast connection
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Jucato: not with wget - assuming you have the downstream bandwidth
[08:46] <thoreauputic> right
[08:46] <Kiongku_> jucato: with win.. flashget no trouble.. can resume
[08:46] <Jucato> Kiongku_: KGet can resume as well.
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Kiongku: wget resumes with -c
[08:46] <Kiongku_> jucato: KGet hates the url i trying to dl :P
[08:46] <Jucato> I actually find FIrefox's pause/resume very... unhelpful
[08:46] <thoreauputic> yes kget is a front end for wget I think
[08:46] <aliasfred> Kiongku, describe your problem or you wont get a solution :)
[08:46] <Darkkish> lol i take back what i said about WoW working perfectly
[08:46] <Darkkish> for some reason or another only one of my characters loads
[08:46] <Jucato> what GUI isn't a front end to anything?
[08:47] <Jucato> aliasfred: he already did, he
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Jucato: Don't use a browser for big downloads - too flaky
[08:47] <Kiongku_> with Firefox i get dl speed of 15kb/s with kget i get 2kb/s or it just stall
[08:47] <Jucato> aliasfred: he already did, he's just making follow ups, I think
[08:47] <fatejudger> maybe his browser sucks
[08:47] <randy> hi yo
[08:47] <aliasfred> !coc
[08:47] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[08:47] <aliasfred> fatejudger: the last message of ubotu is for you
[08:48] <flake> on networking, my router has a built-in firewall which I haven't disabled - do i need to set up a software firewall
[08:48] <Darkkish> hey can anyone suggest any partition software
[08:48] <Darkkish> thats free
[08:48] <Kiongku_> fdisk XD
[08:48] <aliasfred> Darkkish: gparted or qparted
[08:48] <Jucato> dartmolx: QtParted or GParted?
[08:48] <Arkkis> roar!!
[08:49] <Kiongku_> well i trying to dl on firefox with downthemall plugin
[08:49] <Kiongku_> if that fails zzz... i'll download it later with my win partition
[08:49] <fatejudger> aliasfred: omg, if you want to act like a snob go to ##linux
[08:49] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please read the code of conduct
[08:49] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I'm sure you can buddy-buddy up to one of those guys
[08:49] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: and aliasfred - take it elswhere
[08:49] <Darkkish> aliasfred: THANKS
[08:49] <Jucato> Kiongku_: that's really strange. My experience with KGet and Firefox is the reverse..
[08:49] <Darkkish> thanks*
[08:49] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: taking what elsewhere ?
[08:50] <Darkkish> i can only play my lvl 8 night elf druid
[08:50] <Jucato> isn't it QtParted, not QParted? *confused*
[08:50] <fatejudger> aliasfred: your higher-than-thou attitude
[08:50] <flake> i dont need a s/w firewall if my router has one, right?
[08:50] <Darkkish> otherwise WoW dies after the loading screen
[08:50] <randy> hello hello hello
[08:50] <thoreauputic> aliasfred: personal argumnets etc - actually fatejudger is more at fault here
[08:50] <Kiongku_> jucato: try to download this link with kget and tell me the speed http://d9.766.com/mw104815.exe
[08:50] <aliasfred> fatejudger: read the topic of this channel
[08:50] <flake> the ubuntu docs say something about setting up iptables
[08:50] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: you will be kicked out if you don't improve your attitude
[08:51] <Jucato> Kiongku_: what is that anyway?
[08:51] <fatejudger> hey, all I ask is not to be bothered
[08:51] <shrewdy> whats the best news client for nix?
[08:51] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: i dont considere what im doing as a personnal argument, i just try to make him stop his attitude
[08:51] <Darkkish> i'm going to try qtparted
[08:51] <Kiongku_> jucato: Myth Online. A game
[08:51] <fatejudger> I don't see this aliasfred guy helping anyone out
[08:51] <Jucato> oh
[08:51] <fatejudger> all he's doing is complaining
[08:51] <thoreauputic> aliasfred: lets just drop it on both sides OK ?
[08:51] <Darkkish> shrewdy: firefox
[08:51] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: if you want to handle him, i would be pleased
[08:51] <aliasfred> ok i drop it then
[08:51] <fatejudger> oh brother...
[08:52] <unix_infidel> !offtopic
[08:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:52] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: you've been warned
[08:52] <Kiongku> jucato: did u try? getting a good speed?
[08:52] <Darkkish> crap
[08:52] <Darkkish> i can't resize my ntfs partition >_>
[08:52] <Kiongku> lol
[08:52] <dartmolx> Jucato, sorry i just read your msg. go for the Q. use parted otherwise
[08:53] <Jucato> Kiongku: on a 256kbps speed, I'm getting an average of 2-6 kbps? it's fluctuating
[08:53] <Kiongku> jucato: doh i have a 512kbps down speed. same result as u
[08:53] <Kiongku> crappy server :p overloaded
[08:53] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: you're the admin around here?
[08:53] <Jucato> Kiongku: probably... i'll try with Firefox
[08:53] <Kiongku> jucato: thx for the try
[08:53] <unix_infidel> thoreauputic: look at his /whois
[08:53] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: one of
[08:53] <unix_infidel> erm fatejudger *
[08:53] <unix_infidel> :P
[08:54] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: crimsun is usually the one that gives me a hard time
[08:54] <Jucato> loook at whose /whois?!?!?
[08:54] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: are you new?
[08:54] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: ops are ops.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: crimsun is a  very reasonable person - if he gives you a hrd time then consider yoour behaviour
[08:54] <fatejudger> yeah, well it's BS, and it reminds me why I stopped helping people out in this channel
[08:54] <ironfroggy> why can i not find the lighttpd package?
[08:54] <bugnthecode> I'm having some issues with my screen resolution changing. I finally have it set so that when the kdm login screen comes up it's at 1024x768 but when I log in it keeps changing to 640x480
[08:54] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm not new - I've been an op for more than a year
[08:55] <Hobbsee> sigh.  what's the problem?
[08:55] <bugnthecode> any ideas?
[08:55] <Darkkish> are there any free partition editors for windows?
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey Hobbs
[08:55] <Darkkish> i need to edit my ntfs
[08:55] <Jucato> hmm... Kiongku, Firefox is reporting 100kbps?
[08:55] <Darkkish> i give up on wow for tonight
[08:55] <Darkkish> i'm logging to windows
[08:55] <Jucato> err my mistake
[08:55] <Darkkish> later guys
[08:55] <Kiongku> jucato: lol mine get 10KB/s too
[08:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: around that same average
[08:56] <Darkkish> i'll be back tomarrow
[08:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: 3kbps
[08:56] <Kiongku> jucato: forget it.. the link was crappy anyway
[08:56] <flake> take it easy Dark
[08:56] <Kiongku> jucato: thx
[08:56] <Jucato> it's probably their server
[08:56] <randy> Hello
[08:56] <ubuntu_> ah
[08:57] <Kiongku> now my next question.. i'm bored konversation opens konqueror on html link.. how to get it auto open firefox
[08:57] <ubuntu_> ah
[08:57] <unix_infidel> hmm, i wonder do all ops in #kubuntu have the same privs in #ubuntu, #edubuntu, etc etc.
[08:57] <Jucato> Kiongku: System Settings > KDE Components > Default Applications
[08:58] <Kiongku> k checking
[08:58] <thoreauputic> unix_infidel: not necessarily
[08:58] <randy> strange, my adept pkg mngr has disappeared completely from my computer after performing flawlessly for months, any ideas?
[08:58] <Jucato> Kiongku: change the Web Browser to open with "firefox -remote 'openURL(%u,new-tab)'"
[08:58] <unix_infidel> thoreauputic: i meant that as, is this a general rule for when individuals attain ops.
[08:58] <unix_infidel> i see this is not the case, thanks :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic> unix_infidel: no, ops are given on a per-channel basis
[08:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: so are you one of the package maintainers for Ubuntu?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: no
[08:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: well what exactly do you do around here?
[08:59] <dein> how do i find packages for the latest xine-libs?
[08:59] <crimsun> dein: those are only in Edgy
[09:00] <dein> gah
[09:00] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: heh - until a few months ago I practically lived in #ubuntu helping people - if you had been sround then you would know
[09:00] <dein> thats not cool, mplayer can play h.264 better than xine under dapper
[09:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I used to be a regular in here until about 3-4 months ago
[09:01] <randy> strange, my adept pkg mngr has disappeared completely from my computer after performing flawlessly for months, any ideas?
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: after Dapper came out too many Windows converts flooded the channel
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: there was a feeding frenzy :)
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: you can barely talk in #ubuntu anymore
[09:01] <dein> eh, is that such a bad thing fate?
[09:01] <unix_infidel> dein: depends. on the user quality.
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I guess I'm just one of those people that believes in the exclusivity of Linux
[09:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: well, #ubuntu-offtopic is a fun channel
[09:02] <dein> more kubuntu users there is, the faster development happens
[09:02] <Jucato> randy: not even if you try launching Adept from the command line?
[09:02] <fatejudger> yeah, thanks
[09:02] <unix_infidel> "Linux for Human Beings"
[09:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: the Ubuntu community tries to be welcoming to newcomers I guess
[09:02] <unix_infidel> ^^^
[09:02] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:03] <fatejudger> I learned the hard way, so I suppose that my views aren't shared by all
[09:03] <Kiongku> jucato: there is instant messenger and its kopete by default.. i have aMSN installed but its not in the list
[09:04] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I used to hang out in #debian - so I know the other side of the fence pretty well. Somtimes it's easy to forget what it was like when you started though
[09:04] <maltaethiron> is anyone that was trying to help me install flash player the other night in here right now?
[09:04] <Jucato> Kiongku: I meant that you have to change the default Web Browser
[09:04] <Kiongku> jucato: already done XD
[09:04] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: yeah, I did have a big Slackware fan help me get started years ago
[09:04] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: in general ubuntu channels require a certain politeness that some others don't :)
[09:04] <Kiongku> jucato: was just looking at the instant messenging
[09:05] <Jucato> so the links are opening in Firefox now?
[09:05] <Kiongku> jucato: the link in konvo yes
[09:05] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: also because #ubuntu is so big now, we have to be stricter
[09:06] <flake> i'm getting double signal fault:  errors with wolf et
[09:06] <flake> ugh
[09:06] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it becomes difficult to be polite when every other question is on installing programs or changing some obvious setting
[09:07] <Kiongku> !flash
[09:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <randy> jucato: nope, adept from the command line, nope - not in search either
[09:07] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: true - that's one reason I took a break - compassion fatigue ;)
[09:07] <Kiongku> ubuntu pages are slow to respond
[09:07] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I work at Best Buy, so I have to deal with stupid people on a daily basis, it's quite difficult
[09:07] <Jucato> randy: hmm... what did you do before this happened?
[09:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: which pages?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I can imagine :)
[09:08] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey hows it going?
[09:08] <maltaethiron> web pages maybe?
[09:08] <aliasfred> one said 'even master have master' aka considere that people who know more than you may treat you the same way you treat people who more less than you
[09:08] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I don't think you ever told me what you do for the Ubuntu project
[09:08] <randy> jucato: i don't know, just the ususal bunch of web browsing
[09:08] <ubuntu___> hi all
[09:08] <aliasfred> it would help you to be respectuous
[09:09] <maltaethiron> yo ubuntu___
[09:09] <Kiongku> jucato: help.ubuntu.com in general.. may be i'm far from the server
[09:09] <Kiongku> Kiongku: it justs takes longer to seek out :p
[09:09] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I don't have the same tolerance for ineptitude that you do obviously
[09:09] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: mostly helping out on mailing lists at the moment - I haven't been as active lately due to health issues amongst other things
[09:09] <fatejudger> I suppose it's a matter of one's personality
[09:09] <Jucato> randy: let's try reinstalling it. In Konsole, "sudo apt-get install adept" (without the quotes)
[09:10] <Jucato> randy: if it was uninstalled, that should bring it back (I Hope)
[09:10] <randy> jucato: ok
[09:10] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I usually see just Hobbsee or crimsun on here
[09:10] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm just a community member/volunteer - not an ubergeek :)
[09:10] <Kiongku> jucato: do u have flash player?
[09:10] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: heh, I'm surprised they take you guys on
[09:10] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeah
[09:10] <Kiongku> jucato: what did u install
[09:11] <aliasfred> fatejudger: now that things are cooler, you may read the ubuntu code of conduct and see what it is about. ubuntu is a lot about this according to me. it may be shortly summarized as 'lets drop the bofh attitude' :)
[09:11] <Jucato> Kiongku: flashplayer-nonfree
[09:11] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: well, we need both technical people and people with other skills - I seem to be able to help
[09:12] <Kiongku> jucato: its not in the normal repos right?
[09:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: errr.. I meant flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: and, it's in the multiverse repositories
[09:13] <Kiongku> jucato: can u give the repo line
[09:13] <maltaethiron> jucato: i finally figured out how to get flashplugin-nonfree
[09:13] <Jucato> Kiongku: you just need to add the word "multiverse" to "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe"
[09:13] <Kiongku> jucato: k
[09:14] <maltaethiron> jucato: i was having such a friggin hard time the other night, were you in here at the time?
[09:14] <Jucato> maltaethiron: I don't think I was. or I was online but not paying attention...
[09:14] <maltaethiron> ok
[09:14] <Jucato> why? what happened?
[09:14] <maltaethiron> i just tried everything everyone was telling me to do
[09:15] <maltaethiron> like add multiverse repositories and whatnot
[09:15] <maltaethiron> but earlier i found a bug bunch of sweet repos that just replace sources.list
[09:15] <Jucato> ehehe... it can be quite confusing when so many people are giving you instructions at the same time...
[09:15] <maltaethiron> and i can install everything i need now
[09:15] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: Kubuntu needs more technical people than anything
[09:15] <Jucato> that's kool! glad you found it
[09:15] <Kiongku> jucato: is swf-player any good?
[09:16] <maltaethiron> thanks =D
[09:16] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: they had a hard time keeping up with Ubuntu throughout the last set of Flights
[09:16] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: share the repos.. i have to check something too :p
[09:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: not really sure...
[09:16] <maltaethiron> ok, one sec kiongku
[09:16] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it surprises me that Mark Shuttleworth doesn't find Kubuntu to be of enough value to warrant 2-3 more salaried employees
[09:16] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: not finding flashplugin-nonfree in the normal repos
[09:16] <Jucato> I haven't actually found a need to install the swf-player... (I don't even know what it's for...)
[09:16] <randy> jucato: thanks for your help, I couldn't remember the dang command, but thanks it is working again, weird
[09:17] <Jucato> fatejudger: I think he did promise to hire more developers for Kubuntu last time he gave a public talk
[09:17] <Kiongku> jucato: i just tried it bcoz i could not see the flashplugin-nonfree
[09:17] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: whatever. The community council decided I had made a significant contribution - so here I am re: sabdfl - Mark is very pro Kubuntu
[09:17] <Jucato> randy: sure. glad I could help
[09:17] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: cheap nerds are cheap nerds.  But at the same time if they felt that the release cycles were impacting quality they would have changed it.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: it's a question of priorities as always
[09:17] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: they have and do
[09:17] <maltaethiron> Kiongku: backup your current sources.list, and then replace it all through "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" with the repos im gonna give you
[09:18] <randy> jucato: weird, I have not idea what erased it, I guess I better do some fast backing up
[09:18] <Jucato> maltaethiron: before you give the repos
[09:18] <Kiongku> maltaethiron k
[09:18] <Jucato> maltaethiron: better just use pastebin instead
[09:18] <maltaethiron> right right
[09:19] <Jucato> randy: Adept has a nasty habit of not telling you outrightly what it's about to do. It expects you will always look at the status bar
[09:19] <maltaethiron> !pastebin
[09:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:20] <Jucato> maybe someday Kubuntu will have more developers...
[09:20] <Kiongku> jucato: why.. more devs on ubuntu?
[09:20] <Jucato> Kiongku: on Kubuntu....
[09:21] <fatejudger> they need more PAID devs working on Kubuntu
[09:21] <maltaethiron> jucato, kiongku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20737
[09:21] <Jucato> paid or not, just developers totally focused on Kubuntu... of course, paid developers would be nice :-D
[09:21] <maltaethiron> that's my sources.list
[09:21] <fatejudger> having unpaid people bickering about minute details because they feel entitled to since they're not being compensated slows down the development process
[09:22] <gfhfgh> !wlan
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <Jucato> fatejudger: doesn't work like that always, though.
[09:22] <gfhfgh> !wine
[09:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:22] <gfhfgh> hello
[09:22] <fatejudger> Jucato: look at Apple
[09:22] <maltaethiron> you should be able to get flashplugin-nonfree no problem with the kiongku
[09:22] <gfhfgh> someone there?
[09:22] <fatejudger> Jucato: hell, look at Microsoft
[09:22] <gfhfgh> my notebook didnt start the new knoppix cd
[09:22] <randy> jucato: i hadn't needed adept for about a week, when I went to start it, it was gone from the K menu and just gone
[09:23] <gfhfgh> ist hangs on the messag
[09:23] <Jucato> fatejudger: look at KDE. not everyone there is paid to work for KDE. of course, a distro isn't exactly the same as a desktop environment
[09:23] <gfhfgh> hotplug hardware detection
[09:23] <maltaethiron> kiongku: did you get it?
[09:23] <fatejudger> Jucato: nothing gets done though
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's just a lot of talk and hype
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: KDE 4 has no release date
[09:24] <Jucato> fatejudger: nothing that we can or should see yet
[09:24] <Jucato> fatejudger: but so does GNOME 3.x
[09:24] <Kiongku_> darn
[09:24] <Kiongku_> i lost my connection
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: Gnome 3.x is vaporware
[09:24] <maltaethiron> ah
[09:24] <Jucato> KDE 4 isn't just "another" release like KDE 3.5
[09:25] <Jucato> this is a MAJOR, very major release
[09:25] <maltaethiron> Kiongku_: did you get my pastebin post bro?
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: so they say, but unless they get some UI designers and artists on board, I don't see it being a huge change
[09:25] <Jucato> you can't expect it to have the same 6 month development period as GNOME has
[09:25] <Kiongku_> maltaethiron: nope. My Modem just hang up just now
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: just look at the sad shape of kde-look.org
[09:25] <gfhfgh> My Knoppix Live-CD 5.01 doesn?t boot, it hangs with the error-msg :" hotplug hardware detection"
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: they have nothing to speak of in the way of graphic design abilities
[09:25] <gfhfgh>  my notebook is an Acer ASPIRE 5672
[09:25] <Jucato> fatejudger: there are usability experts onboard and artists, too
[09:26] <fatejudger> Jucato: they question is whether they're good or not
[09:26] <Kiongku_> jucato: i'm hapy with kde for now..
[09:26] <Jucato> fatejudger: you decide for yourself. to me, they are
[09:26] <maltaethiron> Kiongku_: Ok, make sure to back up your original sources.list before you replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20737
[09:26] <Jucato> I hope you're subscribed to Planet KDE and to dot.kde.org so that you could see the changes
[09:27] <Jucato> you know it's also not easy to be working on KDE 4 while also working for KDE 3.5.x at the same time
[09:27] <maltaethiron> brb
[09:27] <fatejudger> Jucato: if they can scrap KDE 4 together in time for Edgy, the Linux community might have a worthwhile competitor to other companies offerings
[09:27] <Kiongku_> maltaethiron: i just copied my sources.list to sources.listbk in the same directory
[09:27] <fatejudger> Jucato: but I just don't see it happening
[09:27] <Jucato> KDE 4 will definitely NOT make it to Edgy
[09:27] <Jucato> there's no reason for it to try and make it
[09:29] <Jucato> the KDE 4 Tech preview will probably come out by October, BUT it's not something that users can use. Its more for developers and testers
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: right, it's not going to really have any of the fancy "plasma" features in it
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: I think these guys have no idea where to go with this
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: so much is expected of them
[09:31] <maltaethiron> good kiongku_
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: yet they have so little talent to work with
[09:31] <Jucato> fatejudger: how sure are you?
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's just a guess of course
[09:32] <Jucato> fatejudger: where do you get this information from?
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: but an educated one at that
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: look at other whole numbered KDE releases
[09:32] <Jucato> fatejudger: do you regularly view dot.kde.org? are you subscribed to Planet KDE?
[09:32] <Jucato> what should I look for in the whole number of KDE releases?'
[09:32] <fatejudger> actually I do
[09:32] <fatejudger> innovation
[09:33] <maltaethiron> kiongku: did you add the new repos yet?
[09:33] <fatejudger> I've never seen so much hype surrounding any DE release
[09:34] <Jucato> The hype around KDE 4 is less than the hype around Dapper Drake
[09:34] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: yes.. checking the files
[09:34] <maltaethiron> saweet
[09:34] <fatejudger> Jucato: I said DE, not distro
[09:34] <Jucato> well, there are so few DE's to compare it with...
[09:34] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: is it the full repos?
[09:35] <Kiongku> maltaethrion: it seems to have less lines than the original repos given
[09:35] <fatejudger> Jucato: Gnome?
[09:35] <Jucato> fatejudger: has GNOME made any "innovative" plans for new releases lately?
[09:35] <maltaethiron> kiongku: i noticed that too, but everything runs fine, and also i noticed more packages were available with these repos
[09:36] <Jucato> maltaethiron: more packages are available coz multiverse is enabled
[09:36] <fatejudger> Jucato: hardly
[09:36] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: ok.. i'll keep my old sources in the folder in case then. thx
[09:36] <Jucato> the backports, btw don't contain anything
[09:36] <maltaethiron> kiongku: thanks, and thats what i did
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm more interested in coherence and working features than anything else
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: XGL doesn't work with KDE right now, and isn't planned to work until KDE 4
[09:37] <Jucato> fatejudger: I guess we'll just have to see. But unless we are programmers/developers and have the KDE SVN builds, we cannot really say that they haven't been doing anything
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm sure they're busy as hell porting code
[09:38] <fatejudger> Jucato: but all the new technologies in the world aren't going to matter if they don't use them
[09:38] <fatejudger> Jucato: and use them well
[09:38] <Jucato> fatejudger: you also have to remember that they're porting stuff to Qt4. It might not be the easiest thing in the world
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm not saying it is
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: that's the easy part though
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: the stuff that takes time is the rewriting of KWin
[09:39] <Jucato> fatejudger: probably not. depends from where you're looking
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: especially with all this fancy XGL stuff that's coming out
[09:39] <Kiongku> ah at last the flashplugin-nonfree
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: basic bundled apps
[09:40] <fatejudger> Jucato: Kate, Konqueror, etc
[09:40] <Jucato> fatejudger: XGL isn't that essential
[09:40] <Jucato> it's pretty, but not essential
[09:40] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's very essential, at least if Ubuntu wants to do anything about bug #1
[09:40] <fatejudger> which I personally don't consider a bug at all
[09:40] <Jucato> but we're talking about KDE here. not Ubuntu.
[09:40] <fatejudger> I'd be happy if Linux's market share never increased
[09:41] <fatejudger> as long as devels used it
[09:41] <fatejudger> but from their standpoint
[09:41] <fatejudger> it's essential
[09:41] <Jucato> bring back "Linux for the geeks"?
[09:41] <Jucato> whose standpoint?
[09:41] <fatejudger> no, not really
[09:41] <fatejudger> but not go any further than we are now
[09:41] <fatejudger> incorporating just enough people to make it innovative and usable
[09:41] <fatejudger> not bland and boring
[09:41] <fatejudger> ie fluxbox
[09:42] <Kiongku> anybody knows a good equivalent of Photoshop cs2 here
[09:42] <crimsun> (Eh, that's an opinion. Many people find Fluxbox anything but bland and boring.)
[09:42] <maltaethiron> good question
[09:42] <Jucato> Kiongku: the GIMP? Krita?
[09:42] <fatejudger> Kiongku: Gimp, Pixel
[09:42] <Jucato> oh and Pixel
[09:42] <fatejudger> I'm not recommending Krita until it stops rasterizing text
[09:43] <fatejudger> Pixel is probably your best bet right now
[09:43] <Kiongku> Krita.. no idea
[09:43] <fatejudger> since Gimp is confusing and difficult to use
[09:43] <Jucato> well, let him decide which he wants
[09:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: fluxbox FTW ! ( I'm one of those that don't find it bland and boring)
[09:44] <crimsun> (I honestly don't care what DE is on my desktop as long as it doesn't get in my way.)
[09:44] <fatejudger> it's not just bland and boring, it's unusable
[09:44] <Kiongku> the flashplugin-nonfree works like a charm
[09:44] <fatejudger> usability and sanity is key
[09:44] <Jucato> again, just an opinion
[09:44] <maltaethiron> w00t for kiongku
[09:44] <fatejudger> it needs to be easy to use and easy to look at
[09:44] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: that's really not true at all
[09:44] <Jucato> some people find fluxbox usable and sane
[09:44] <Jucato> different strokes for different folks
[09:44] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: fluxbox is extremely usable
[09:45] <Kiongku> lol
[09:45] <aliasfred> usability and sanity are a matter of personnal opinion :)
[09:45] <fatejudger> that's true
[09:45] <thoreauputic> ---->> offtopic I'll stop mow
[09:45] <thoreauputic> *now
[09:45] <fatejudger> but we're talking about the vast majority of people though
[09:45] <fatejudger> that IS the Ubuntu philosophy, is it not?
[09:45] <Jucato> and how would you know that that's the opinion of the vast majority?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> hence the emphasis on major DE s
[09:46] <fatejudger> 95% of people seem to find Windows to be an acceptable OS
[09:46] <Jucato> because of different factors
[09:46] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: 89.3546% of statisitics are made up on the spot
[09:46] <fatejudger> lol
[09:46] <maltaethiron> then 95% of people must not know what makes a good OS
[09:46] <fatejudger> that one is true though
[09:46] <Kiongku> no 95% person of the ppl are short-sighted
[09:47] <cryptom> Hi all, I updated KDE from 3.5.3 to 3.5.4, now I have ugly fonts! Is this known behavior?
[09:47] <fatejudger> don't get me wrong, I use Kubuntu, and I find it to be a great OS
[09:47] <fatejudger> I'd never use Windows
[09:47] <fatejudger> but Windows is a great OS
[09:47] <Kiongku> i use both kubuntu and windows
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: they're not anti-aliased
[09:47] <maltaethiron> i have all three OSs in my house
[09:47] <Jucato> Windows is/can be/was a good OS for many different reasons
[09:47] <Kiongku> kept windows bcoz of compatibilty issues with my usual programs
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: go back into System settings -> appearence -> fonts
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: uncheck and check anti-aliased fonts
[09:48] <maltaethiron> i have a dell with windows, a laptop with linux (kubuntu), and an imac g4 and powermac g4
[09:48] <Kiongku> maltaehtiron: LOL so many pcs..
[09:48] <cryptom> fatejudger, thanks ;-)
[09:48] <fatejudger> cryptom: np
[09:49] <maltaethiron> kiongku: haha, i've got two pcs (one windows one linux), two macs, and a laptop with kubuntu
[09:49] <Jucato> wow!
[09:49] <fatejudger> XP is easy to use, works with most every device, and is secure with the right software installed
[09:49] <fatejudger> but at crimsun pointed out, some DEs get in your way
[09:49] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: lol lool.. i haev only one
[09:49] <maltaethiron> needless to say, i can handle basically any software thrown my way
[09:50] <fatejudger> and Windows is one of those OSes IMO, but that's only because I know what I'm doing
[09:50] <Jucato> except that: it's too easy to use, works with most devices made for it, the "right software" must be purchased
[09:50] <fatejudger> I deal with people every day that think that IE or Yahoo is the internet
[09:50] <Kiongku> ok.. each one.. tell me what prog u found the best to edit images in kubuntu
[09:50] <fatejudger> some people think that you can transmit power through the air
[09:50] <maltaethiron> kiongku: wanna know the funny thing?  im not anywhere near being rich
[09:50] <Jucato> marketing, brainwashing, etc...
[09:50] <fatejudger> and I wonder whether they've watched too much star trek
[09:50] <fatejudger> people are stupid though
[09:50] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: hehe
[09:51] <Jucato> you can transmit power through the air. depends on what you mean by "power"
[09:51] <fatejudger> and Windows is great for stupid people
[09:51] <fatejudger> Jucato: I had a lady come in the other day asking for a "wireless" computer
[09:51] <Kiongku> i'm used to photoshop cs2 and macromedia fireworks from windows.. too bad they are not on linux
[09:51] <Jucato> stupid != ignorant
[09:51] <fatejudger> Jucato: I found out several minutes later that she wanted to charge her computer wirelessly
[09:52] <Kiongku> lol
[09:52] <fatejudger> Jucato: with magical electricity from the air
[09:52] <maltaethiron> magical electricity ftw!!
[09:52] <Jucato> lol
[09:52] <Kiongku> yeah
[09:52] <fatejudger> maltaethiron: lol
[09:52] <Kiongku> i want one
[09:52] <Jucato> ok that's just ignorance, not stupidity
[09:52] <fatejudger> no, people are truly stupid
[09:52] <Kiongku> then i can go in the forest.. and still have a pc XD
[09:53] <Jucato> ok.. getting off topic
[09:53] <fatejudger> lol
[09:53] <fatejudger> if someone has a question, no one is stopping them from asking
[09:53] <fatejudger> I already answered a couple
[09:53] <fatejudger> and I was under the impression that was what this channel was for
[09:53] <maltaethiron> yeah, and im a noob and i helped someone
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> feel free to chat in -offtopic - thats why its there
[09:53] <aliasfred> maltaethiron: ?
[09:53] <maltaethiron> so =P lol
[09:54] <maltaethiron> just messin aliasfred
[09:54] <aliasfred> ok
[09:54] <maltaethiron> a little slap-happy, it is 4 in the morning for me, afterall
[09:54] <fatejudger> my point is, Linux has a place and its market share is almost topped out
[09:54] <fatejudger> I wish everyone was smart enough to use Linux
[09:55] <fatejudger> but they just aren't
[09:55] <aliasfred> fatejudger: a great topic for #kubuntu-offoptic :)
[09:55] <Kiongku> jucato: did u try GIMP?
[09:55] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I'm sure it would be, if such a channel existed
[09:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeah
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger, #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:56] <Kiongku> offoptic
[09:56] <fatejudger> Kamping_Kaiser: I was just giving him a hard time
[09:56] <Kiongku> Jucato: is it Photoshop like?.. i mean the functions
[09:56] <maltaethiron> bro, its a real channel
[09:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: the functions, mostly yes. the interface, nope
[09:56] <fatejudger> Kiongku: if you want something that's like Photoshop, try Pixel
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger, i was making sure that spelling wasnt an excuse
[09:57] <Jucato> could I humbly ask who are the ops here? Kopete doesn't show which guys are ops...
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, there is noone opped atm
[09:57] <Kiongku> fatejudger: cant find pixel in the repos
[09:57] <fatejudger> Kiongku: google
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Jucato: we only op when necessary
[09:57] <Kiongku> fatejudger: lol ok
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, look in #ubuntu-ops iirc
[09:57] <fatejudger> no one has answered the question I came in here for to begin with
[09:58] <fatejudger> about my volume changing when playing embedded video
[09:58] <fatejudger> in Konqueror
[09:58] <fatejudger> I have a feeling it has to do with this dumb USB sound card I have
[09:58] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I've noticed the same thing with the mplayer plugin for firefox - I expect it's an mplayer config thing
[09:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: mplayer plugin is noticeably louder than xine based plugins here
[09:59] <Jucato> Maybe it's like XMMS? XMMS' volume control actually controls the system volume
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: kmplayer
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it's not that
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it actually adjusts my master volume to around 80%
[09:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: *cough* kmplayer is just a front end for mplayer
[10:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: first of all, not necesarialy
[10:00] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[10:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: and secondly, they've been trying to move away from that
[10:00] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: OK you know best as always
[10:00] <aliasfred> hehe
[10:00] <Jucato> *sigh*
[10:00] <Kiongku> hey ppl.. can i instruct amarok to play music from a device?
[10:00] <fatejudger> "A new name, KMPlayer sounds like a frontend to MPlayer, no?"
[10:00] <fatejudger> http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[10:00] <aliasfred> ok ill be back when people with attitude wont be there, see ya :)
[10:01] <Jucato> bye!!
[10:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: read if you don't believe
[10:01] <Jucato> well, it's in their plans
[10:01] <fatejudger> but it's implying that it isn't just a frontend to mplayer
[10:01] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I have all the interset of a man waiting for a bus
[10:01] <Jucato> well, actually
[10:01] <Jucato> yeah
[10:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm not remotely interested in being right all the time - YMMV
[10:02] <Kiongku> pixel is a paid software even the linux version?
[10:02] <fatejudger> Kiongku: I thought it was free
[10:02] <Jucato> thoreauputic: what does YMMV mean? I think I'm one of those stupid people...
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Jucato: "your mileage may  vary"
[10:02] <Kiongku> If you like this piece of software please support its development by purchasing a copy
[10:02] <ironfroggy> heh "even the linux version"
[10:03] <fatejudger> Kiongku: doesn't mean you have to
[10:03] <Jucato> let me check...
[10:03] <fatejudger> Kiongku: you can still download it
[10:03] <Jucato> but IIRC, Pixel isn't free
[10:04] <Kiongku> hmm
[10:04] <Kiongku> have to pay for updates
[10:04] <Jucato> http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 Pixel is not free software, if you like it and want to support its development, you may consider Purchasing a copy. Licensing and prices are very fair, and include unlimited support.
[10:04] <Kiongku> bleh
[10:04] <fatejudger> link to download http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=c3302ab71a6b1eb5ffae05551fdf85c4&mail=#
[10:04] <Jucato> is that the website of Pixel?
[10:04] <fatejudger> x86 version
[10:05] <fatejudger> beta is free
[10:05] <maltaethiron> woot for betas
[10:05] <Kiongku> ok .. now the audio player.. amarok.. it cant read a playlist found in my external hdd
[10:05] <Kiongku> is it normal?
[10:06] <Jucato> trying to play MP3s?
[10:06] <ironfroggy> you know what the problem is with the linux commercial software bussiness? linux users. no wonder everyone refuses to make linux versions. even if there are enough linux users, most of them refuse to pay for anything.
[10:06] <fatejudger> KIOslaves are horribly supported
[10:06] <Kiongku> Jucato: yeah
[10:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: you need to install "libxine-extracodecs"
[10:07] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: better than being an Apple user and paying 20 bucks for stupid little Calendar apps
[10:07] <fatejudger> or 150 bucks for .mac
[10:07] <maltaethiron> amen fatejudger
[10:07] <ironfroggy> omg payment for products and services, its a crime against humanity.
[10:07] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: hardly, I'm a big fan of commercial software
[10:07] <Kiongku> Jucato: ok
[10:08] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: then whats the problem?
[10:08] <Jucato> ironfroggy: nothing wrong with payment for services or products, but for the software? you have to go back to the roots of FOSS
[10:08] <maltaethiron> heh
[10:08] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: no problem, just pointing out the lesser of two evils
[10:08] <ironfroggy> Jucato: the software is the product...
[10:09] <Jucato> you have to remember the principles upon which the GNU part of GNU/Linux is built.
[10:09] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: that is between Linux and Apple users
[10:09] <ironfroggy> Jucato: oh you mean those nutjobs that are making the entire community look bad?
[10:09] <fatejudger> most commercial apps are of better quality than GPLed ones, you get what you pay for
[10:09] <fatejudger> or don't pay for in this case...
[10:09] <Jucato> ironfroggy: yeah, the nutjobs who made all these possible
[10:10] <Jucato> of course, there's always BSD
[10:10] <ironfroggy> stallman is a stain.
[10:10] <Jucato> he may not be the most pleasing person, but one cannot deny what he did
[10:11] <ironfroggy> honestly, i believe what he did good would have been done anyway and better if he hadn't done it wrong.
[10:11] <Jucato> think of it this way: programming, software development is a science.
[10:11] <fatejudger> personally, I'm tired of the whole high and might GPL argument
[10:12] <fatejudger> where everything that isn't under the GPL license is somehow "evil"
[10:12] <Jucato> since when did scientists make money or charge for the results of their research and development?
[10:12] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: yes very much part of my point.
[10:12] <fatejudger> have you heard Jonathon Riddell's last podcast?
[10:12] <ironfroggy> Jucato: since they started eating food and not sleeping on dirt piles.
[10:12] <thoreauputic> OK, I'm only going to say this once: the discussion is interesting but totally offtopic - please take it to -offtopic
[10:12] <Kiongku> Jucato: yeah now i have a working audio player
[10:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: kool
[10:12] <fatejudger> if he made a comment about microsoft, you could bet that he would follow it with the word "evil"
[10:13] <thoreauputic> new people who need help are going to be turned away if we cntinue with this
[10:13] <ubuntu> http:\\www.ubuntu/it.org
[10:13] <ironfroggy> i have no problem with migrating
[10:13] <Jucato> i'm stopping
[10:13] <ironfroggy> ah i like a good debaste
[10:13] <ironfroggy> i need to spread the word
[10:13] <Jucato>  a good debate in the wrong place
[10:14] <Kiongku> debaste?
[10:14] <fatejudger> Jucato: you joining in on the fun?
[10:14] <maltaethiron> yum, debaste
[10:14] <Jucato> nope
[10:14] <Jucato> I don't have the urge to constantly try to defend my views
[10:14] <ubuntu> http:\\www.ubuntu.org
[10:14] <Jucato> ... what is ubuntu trying to do?
[10:15] <vranikx> hello all, does anybody knows how can i associate torrent files to open in ktorrent? every time when i open .torrent i must type ktorrent to open it...what i must do?
[10:15] <maltaethiron> thoreauputic has been given the power
[10:15] <Jucato> vranikx: next time the dialog box opens up (where you have to type in Ktorrent)
[10:15] <Kiongku> where is the menu where i can assign shortkeys ?
[10:15] <maltaethiron> jucato: looks like he's supporting ubuntu?
[10:16] <Jucato> there's a check box there that you can enable to make it remember your choice
[10:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: global key shortcuts: System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboards Shortcuts
[10:16] <maltaethiron> im out, peace all
[10:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: key shortcuts per application: Settings > Configure Shortcuts
[10:17] <vranikx> Jucato: but when i click in ktorrent to .torrent file it opens menu, when i must type ktorrent (there are no something like use allways this program to open this type of file
[10:18] <Jucato> err... could someone help vranikx? I need to go out for a while...
[10:18] <shrewdy> a lot of mame roms i try to use tell me that they're missing files.... :(
[10:18] <Kiongku> JucatoL i see
[10:18] <shrewdy> like marvel V capcom
[10:18] <vranikx> Jucato: so i need to know how can i associate it to open in ktorrent (something like mime type)
[10:18] <vranikx> Jucato: aha, than jucato...
[10:18] <shrewdy> whoops, sorry i meant to say that in offtopic room :) pardon me
[10:35] <Kiongku> hm
[10:36] <Kiongku> anyone knows sysreset?
[10:36] <Kiongku> nvm
[10:40] <_rince_> mrgn
[11:17] <michael__> hallo
[11:27] <Emess> im trying to run photoshop 7. imageready loads fine, but for hpotoshop itself the icon just bounces next to my cursor and then disappears without the app opening, im using wine 0.9.9
[11:28] <Emess> got this error:
[11:28] <Emess>  fixme:actctx:QueryActCtxW stub!
[11:28] <Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:28] <Emess> Major opcode of failed request:  145 (XInputExtension)
[11:28] <Emess> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_OpenDevice)
[11:28] <Emess> Serial number of failed request:  35
[11:28] <Emess> Current serial number in output stream:  35
[11:29] <Emess> any ideas?
[11:29] <Tm_T> Emess: photoshop? wine?
[11:29] <Emess> photoshop in wine, because gimp is crappy and i dont want to use gimpshop
[11:30] <Tm_T> Emess: hmm, doublecheck wine settings
[11:30] <Emess> what settings would i need to check?
[11:31] <Tm_T> well, 12:28 < Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:31] <Tm_T> input device it seems
[11:31] <liviux> hi all
[11:31] <Tm_T> Emess: hmm, one thing...
[11:32] <Tm_T> http://www.winehq.org/ says Wine 0.9.19 Released
[11:32] <Tm_T> so, if you're using 0.9.9 just upgrade
[11:33] <Emess> true
[11:33] <Emess> but its meant to work fine in 0.9.2
[11:34] <Emess> il try an upgrade then :)
[11:36] <Emess> reckons iv got the latest...
[11:36] <Emess>  fixme:actctx:QueryActCtxW stub!
[11:36] <Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:36] <Emess> Major opcode of failed request:  145 (XInputExtension)
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyway, I can't see photoshop in platinum, gold nor silver compatibility list
[11:36] <Emess> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_OpenDevice)
[11:36] <Emess> Serial number of failed request:  35
[11:36] <Emess> Current serial number in output stream:  35
[11:36] <Emess> damnit wrong paste...
[11:37] <Emess> photoshop 7.0
[11:37] <Emess> its in platinum
[11:37] <Emess> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[11:37] <Emess> no upgrade here...
[11:37] <Tm_T> Emess: well, err, I doubt ubuntu repositories has newest wine
[11:38] <Tm_T> yup, 0.9.9 in repositories, 0.9.19 released
[11:39] <Tm_T> Emess: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[11:49] <mag_> Does anyone here know of an alternative downloading program to bittorent? i set my roomate up with linux and he loves everything exept bittorent, hes used to the limewire enviornment
[11:49] <thoreauputic> you can get limewire for linux
[11:50] <mag_> and i tried setting up limewire on linux... java is sending me corrupt binary files, i figure it will just be easier to get somthing simaler
[11:50] <chakie_work> mag_: ktorrent is a nice torrent client
[11:50] <chakie_work> i like the way you can just drag and drop torrent urls from a browser onto ktorrent
[11:50] <thoreauputic> !limewire
[11:50] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[11:51] <mag_> yeah i know, i love it, my roomate cannot grasp the concept of why its better though, im starting to think i should just reinstall windoze for him
[11:51] <thoreauputic> mag_: you can install java from multiverse
[11:51] <thoreauputic> !java
[11:51] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:51] <mag_> ah, thankyou
[11:52] <Emess> theres also anotehr ed2k client for kde, kmule i think, and plenty of others
[11:52] <thoreauputic> mag_: don't forget to run  sudo update-alternatives --config java  after installing it
[11:52] <mag_> ok, ill install both for him so he quites his whineing
[11:52] <thoreauputic> heh :)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> azureus works well with java here, if he likes that for BT
[11:54] <Emess> azureus is a bastard
[11:54] <mag_> hey wait a minute... ive seen him on bash before...
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Emess: how so? Works well here...
[11:55] <Emess> its very clunky
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Emess: what do you mean?
[11:55] <Emess> it works well, but i prefer utorrent or ktorrent for kde
[11:56] <thoreauputic> ah OK - well whatever you prefer of course
[11:56] <Emess> iv found my computer gets a bit sluggish when i run it, and its a 3ghz 1gb ram box
[11:56] <Emess> for windows tho its my favorite :D
[11:56] <mag_> ok well thankyou everyone, and saying java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on both sexes
[11:56] <m4g1c> lol
[11:56] <Emess> i was about to quote that...
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Emess: lots of tips on the azureus wiki about reducing resource use with it - currently it's using 8% CPU here
[11:57] <Emess> im happy with ktorrent tho, so il leave it
[11:57] <thoreauputic> I agree that java is a bit of a pig though :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yes ktorrent is nice :)
[12:05] <Emess> his is wierd, my terminal si showing the speed in bytes for apt-get, and even then its doing like 6000B/s only :S
[12:13] <eeos> !ppp
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <eeos> !kppp
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <tsdgeos> anyone from belgium around?
[12:15] <eeos> do you know about a graphical pppoe client for kde?
[12:15] <tsdgeos> nope sorry
[12:16] <Kiongku> pppoe?
[12:16] <dhq> i have apache 2 installed i want to install php5 and my-sql
[12:16] <Kiongku> dhq: lol install then
[12:16] <dhq> Kiongku: have it installed but dont know how to configure them
[12:18] <admin_> hola
[12:19] <tsdgeos> admin_: hi
[12:19] <admin_> spanish channel?
[12:19] <admin_> hi
[12:19] <Tm_T> !es
[12:19] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:20] <Kiongku> lo
[12:20] <Kiongku> *lol
[12:20] <Kiongku> !en
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about en - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <Kiongku> !eng
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eng - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <Kiongku> XD
[12:24] <Emess> dhq: for webservers you really need slackware, then you jsut open teh servers config file and uncomment webserver and ftp :P
[12:24] <Kiongku> slackware is another distro?
[12:24] <stray77> yes it is
[12:25] <Kiongku> ah..
[12:25] <stray77> i think there at slackware 10.1
[12:25] <stray77> im a recent convert
[12:25] <Kiongku> btw guys.. is there any prog to write to ntfs?
[12:27] <stray77> you can write to your ntfs partitions in linux but it isnt really recommended
[12:27] <Kiongku> corruption?
[12:27] <deb> Hi *
[12:27] <stray77> potentially
[12:27] <Kiongku> deb: Hi
[12:27] <stray77> large file issues too
[12:28] <Kiongku> stray77: nvm then.. i just bored having to start windows to write to my ntfs drive
[12:29] <Kiongku> stray77: what does slackware use as desktop?
[12:30] <stray77> http://ubuntuos.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/howto-write-to-windows-ntfs-drive-from-ubuntu-ntfs-3g/
[12:30] <deb> when I try to use the smb:// it says The process for the smb protocol died unexpectedly. in konqueror.
[12:31] <deb> Any one with some solution / alternative ?
[12:31] <Kiongku> thx stray77
[12:31] <Emess> heh still fialing
[12:32] <Emess> Slack doesnt have a desktop on default, but if you install, its KDE or XFCE, depending on which cd you use
[12:32] <Kiongku> Erness: i see
[12:32] <Emess> and its up to 10.2, but about to load 11
[12:33] <Emess> its an excellent server distro, i use if for all serving :)
[12:33] <stray77> im behind then
[12:33] <Kiongku> Erness: was just curious.. i just got that distro working 3 days ago ;) not about to scrape it
[12:34] <Kiongku> Erness: Did u try using kubuntu as server yet?
[12:34] <stray77> yep
[12:34] <stray77> not running a gui tho
[12:35] <Kiongku> stray77: what server?
[12:35] <stray77> apache, mysql, php, ftp, telnet
[12:35] <stray77> ssl
[12:37] <stray77> i setup ubuntu 6.06 following the perfect server setup at howto forge
[12:37] <Kiongku> stray77: send me the link. I'll have it as a reference when i'll do it later
[12:37] <Kiongku> stray77: btw ntfs-3g is beta.. so i assume use at your own risk stuff right :P
[12:38] <stray77> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[12:38] <Kiongku> stray77: ty
[12:38] <stray77> but remember we're at 6.06.1 now so keep that in mind
[12:39] <Kiongku> stray77: is there a big diff?
[12:39] <Emess> iv used Vector, various BSD's, Ubuntu, debian, mandrake, FC2,3,4,5, Slack, Arch, and CentOS for servers , maybe more but thoise are the oens i remember
[12:39] <__osh__> Wanna test bugs? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gallery/+bug/32521 or https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drupal/+bug/32998
[12:39] <stray77> i dunno, havent checked.  but 3 days after downloading burning and installing 6.06, 6.06.1 came out
[12:39] <Emess> any one know how to set kde to use tranparent terminals in konsole?
[12:40] <Emess> gah i havent used kde in ages :(
[12:40] <__osh__> Emess: *BSD is probably the best server I've ever had. Just kept on running no matter what.
[12:40] <Kiongku> Erness: gnome?
[12:41] <grothesk> How do I acitvate ntp in dapper?
[12:42] <grothesk> I'd like to sync my time each boot.
[12:43] <Kiongku> stray77: u are using an ethernet connection?
[12:43] <stray77> yes
[12:43] <Kiongku> Kiongku: i'm using a usb modem with ppp0
[12:43] <Kiongku> ..
[12:43] <stray77> ewww
[12:43] <Kiongku> sorry *stray77
[12:44] <Kiongku> stray77: soz i dunt have the $$ right now to afford a new modem. I'm still a student
[12:44] <stray77> my dsl modem has both usb and rj45 as well as wireless g
[12:44] <stray77> but im just using it as a modem, my dlink router does dhcp for my network
[12:45] <Kiongku> stray77: i see
[12:53] <Gioacchino> please help me
[12:53] <Gioacchino> I had a problem with amule
[12:54] <Gioacchino> I had istalled it
[12:54] <Gioacchino> with sinaptic but the pacage not have web server ...
[12:54] <Gioacchino> how to install it with webserver ?
[12:55] <Gioacchino> !amule
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <Gioacchino> italiano
[12:57] <Gioacchino> italia
[01:00] <nick_> do sombody know how i get i WMV decoder?
[01:00] <nick_> *a
[01:03] <Gioacchino> use vlc media player
[01:03] <__osh__> !tell nick about easyubuntu
[01:03] <Gioacchino> please help me about amule
[01:03] <__osh__> !tell nick_ about easyubuntu
[01:03] <Gioacchino> please help me about amule web server
[01:04] <Kiongku> cedega is a paid software o0?
[01:04] <jontydog> afternoon how do I fix this error message? dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:05] <__osh__> Kiongku: yep
[01:05] <Kiongku> doh too bad..
[01:05] <__osh__> Gioacchino: sorry, know nothing about amule except for the very basic stuff.
[01:05] <__osh__> Kiongku: wine is free though.
[01:06] <Kiongku> i still have my windows partition.. maybe i'll consider it when i move to linux completely
[01:06] <martin__>  Hm, I wonder how I get to use UTF8 as standard encoding in quanta. I tried to change the charset in Settings - Enviroment, but it keeps defaulting to koi8
[01:08] <Kiongku> anyone knows how to configure imwheel for kde?
[01:09] <__osh__> Kiongku: what's imwheel?
[01:10] <Kiongku> its an emulator to enable extra buttons on mouse to work
[01:11] <Kiongku> i think so
[01:12] <__osh__> Kiongku: http://imwheel.sourceforge.net/
[01:12] <__osh__> !imwheel
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imwheel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <jontydog> can anyone tell me how to get .mid files playing?
[01:17] <aliasfred> jontydog: tymidity is a software able to play midi file
[01:17] <stray77> what happens when you try to play them?
[01:18] <jontydog> nothing it seems to play but I get no sound
[01:18] <jontydog> all the codecs seem to be installed
[01:18] <stray77> do you get other sound?
[01:18] <jontydog> yes mp3 etc work
[01:19] <jontydog> I have a few midi players installed
[01:19] <stray77> try running alsamixer in a terminal window
[01:20] <stray77> check all the volumes
[01:20] <stray77> there may be a separate slider for midi in there
[01:20] <mulder> hello all
[01:20] <jontydog> ok thanks will have a look
[01:20] <jontydog> never thought of the mixer settings
[01:21] <mulder> hi hawkind
[01:22] <jontydog> hmm there isn't a setting for midi in alsamixer
[01:22] <stray77> did you scroll all the way to the right?
[01:22] <jontydog> yes
[01:23] <mulder> ok I need help (same as yesterday) regarding repositories (cannot download), recognizing my duo core laptop (cannot get Linux-686) and my set a decent resolution for my ati x1400
[01:25] <jujimufu> ok, so, I went to this site: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building and I downloaded git and git-core, and when I run git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm, it says "/usr/bin/gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied."
[01:25] <jujimufu> any ideas?
[01:25] <stray77> mulder, sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <stray77> for repos
[01:26] <jujimufu> how can you use vi? I never learned how to use it and stuck with nano,  which is easy and quick..
[01:27] <stray77> check http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3 step 6 for what it should look like
[01:28] <stray77> i dont like vi but it works
[01:28] <stray77> just what im used to
[01:28] <J4t_> vi ftw
[01:29] <jontydog> is synth the same as midi in alsamixer?
[01:29] <jontydog> thats on full volume if it is
[01:29] <mulder> I get this Stray http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20755
[01:29] <mulder> VI doesn't work
[01:30] <mulder> I used sudo nano
[01:32] <mulder> I have been trying all day yesterday to have updates working, and so on...If I really can't I will give up with it really.
[01:33] <stray77> whats in /etc/apt/
[01:33] <stray77> find your original sources.list and restore it
[01:34] <mulder> just that command?
[01:34] <stray77> cd /etc/apt
[01:34] <stray77> ls
[01:34] <mulder> hold on i don't follow you
[01:34] <stray77> which part?
[01:35] <mulder> from the begining
[01:35] <stray77> your sources.list has everything commented out with #'s
[01:35] <mulder> what is the full command to type?
[01:35] <stray77> you need to look at all the files named sources.list*
[01:36] <stray77> find the oldest (original)
[01:36] <mulder> in konsole?
[01:36] <stray77> sure
[01:36] <stray77> open konsole
[01:36] <stray77> cd /etc/apt
[01:36] <stray77> ls -ln sources.list*
[01:36] <mulder> arf...what is the full line to type?
[01:36] <stray77> both those
[01:37] <mulder> one after the other?
[01:37] <stray77> yep
[01:37] <stray77> how many different sources.list do you have?
[01:37] <tk> hmm how easy is it to setup 32bit FF for flash in 64bit kubuntu?
[01:39] <Kiongku> anyone knows how to do a scirpt be executed at startup in kde?
[01:39] <Kiongku> *script
[01:40] <Tm_T> Kiongku: place it to ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:42] <Kiongku> what does the ~ means?
[01:42] <Tm_T> your homedir
[01:42] <Kiongku> home/kde/Autostart?
[01:42] <Tm_T> well, you can use /home/foo where foo is your username or just ~
[01:42] <grothesk> Kiongku: /home/USER/.kde/Autostart
[01:43] <Kiongku> Tm_T: u know about imwheel?
[01:43] <Tm_T> nope
[01:43] <mulder> I don't know If L typed thr ight command
[01:44] <stray77> did you get to /etc/apt ?
[01:45] <mulder> I think I do it wrong
[01:45] <mulder> mulder@gman:/etc/apt$ ln sources.list* is what i typed
[01:45] <stray77> type ls
[01:46] <Scak> does anyone know of a good guide to get WoW working on ubuntu?
[01:46] <stray77> ls is like dir in dos if that helps any
[01:47] <mulder> mulder@gman:/etc/apt$ ls -ln sources.list*
[01:47] <mulder> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2200 2006-08-15 20:11 sources.list
[01:47] <mulder> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2200 2006-08-15 20:11 sources.list_backup
[01:47] <mulder> sources.list.d:
[01:47] <mulder> total 0
[01:47] <mulder> this is what I get...sorry for flooding
[01:48] <stray77> ok that doesnt look promising
[01:48] <stray77> they look the same
[01:48] <mulder> pfewww
[01:48] <stray77> anyway, you have to edit sources.list somehow
[01:49] <stray77> go and remove the #'s from in front of the repositorys
[01:49] <stray77> then save it
[01:49] <mulder> in adept right?
[01:49] <stray77> i dunno, never used it
[01:49] <stray77> but probably
[01:50] <Kiongku> thx guys
[01:50] <Kiongku> just checked.
[01:50] <mulder> nothing like that in repositories
[01:50] <stray77> then edit it manually
[01:50] <Kiongku> now my other question. i have to run this command "pon ueagle-atm" in konsole each time i startup
[01:50] <mulder> how Stray?
[01:51] <mulder> and from where?
[01:51] <Kiongku> can u help me write a script for that oin Autostart
[01:51] <stray77> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:51] <Kiongku> *in
[01:51] <stray77> if youre already in /etc/apt then you can just type sudo nano sources.list
[01:53] <mulder> I don't understand really...it is all confusing. Nano, sudo, I have installed Kubuntu 6.06.1, after many tries with 6.06...and still I have the same problems
[01:54] <stray77> sudo give you root privileges
[01:54] <stray77> nano is a text editor
[01:54] <mulder> and kubuntu headaches!
[01:54] <stray77> sources.list is a text file containing the repositorys
[01:55] <tk> mulder: what cant you get working yet?
[01:55] <stray77> you could try sudo apt-get clean
[01:55] <mulder> I wish I knew
[01:55] <stray77> then sudo apt-get update
[01:55] <mulder> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:55] <mulder> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[01:55] <mulder> mulder@gman:~$
[01:56] <mulder> I mean I am connected to internet, so all is fine...why is it so difficult to have things running
[01:57] <tk> mulder: do you have adept running?
[01:58] <mulder> yes
[01:58] <edgy> Hi, apt-get install ktranslator gives: E: Couldn't find package ktranslator though I can see there is a http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/ktranslator, what's wrong please?
[01:58] <bgrimm> Is this normal: For some reason, I have not seen any -upgradable- package notifiers from Adept for a week now, it used to prompt me every day or so with the tray icon showing there were updates available, but I have not seen a notice for a while. Adpet_notifier is running, could I have changed some config setting?
[01:58] <tk> close it and do sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <tk> edgy: can you find it in adept?
[01:59] <stray77> mulder, close everything but your konsole window
[01:59] <stray77> and try again
[02:00] <Kiongku> !Autostart
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Autostart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Kiongku> !script
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about script - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <mulder> I get 0% connecting
[02:00] <Kiongku> hmm.. can someone tech me how to write a script for Autostart?
[02:00] <mulder> connecting to gb archive....
[02:00] <Kiongku> *teach
[02:01] <edgy> tk: no it's not in adept and I did an update
[02:01] <tk> Kiongku: arent there ones there to look at for examples?
[02:02] <Kiongku> tk: send me a link to one plz.
[02:03] <mulder> got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20758
[02:03] <mulder> Scully please help me damn it!
[02:03] <Kiongku> my prob is i want to run the command "pon ueagle-atm" in Konsole automaticaly at startup
[02:03] <tk> edgy: i have it, let me find out what repo its in
[02:05] <mulder> Ok I am giving up...have enough this time. Better uninstall eveything and go back to Bindows
[02:05] <martin__> mulder: the little green men tell me your repo is offline
[02:05] <edgy> tk: it's universe I guess
[02:05] <mulder> I have added multiverse and still
[02:06] <tk> mulder: you have little patience to try something new it sounds like
[02:06] <mulder> for 22 hours non stop
[02:06] <martin__> mulder: might be connected to the funny IP you have for it ... <IP_ADDRESS>. Is your DNS Server or ISP blocking access to that server, by any chance?
[02:06] <mulder> you right TK patience is waering thin
[02:07] <tk> mulder: well the fact that you replied "I dont knwo what isnt working" isnt a very good basis to fix stuff on
[02:07] <mulder> isp not blocking anythinf me thinks.. dns shouldn't be <IP_ADDRESS> though
[02:08] <mulder> yes since yesterday I haven't progressed...frustration of not getting any further
[02:09] <martin__> mulder: what is your current status?
[02:09] <mulder> what do you mean Martin?
[02:09] <martin__> mulder: do you have a system with network connection?
[02:10] <mulder> I am using a wireless router
[02:10] <martin__> mulder: correction: does the system you are trying to install to has a working network connection?
[02:10] <mulder> it does...it is a laptop
[02:11] <martin__> you can have a laptop and still no network. Can you open a browser under linux and surf to e.g. google.com?
[02:11] <mulder> yes I can...I browse the world wide web no probs at all
[02:11] <mulder> within konqueror
[02:12] <martin__> ok. now start "konsole"
[02:12] <mulder> done
[02:12] <stray77> make sources.list look like this ->http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20760
[02:12] <martin__> type "ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com"
[02:13] <martin__> does the pings get returned?
[02:13] <mulder> how can I make sources list look like the ones you sent?
[02:13] <mulder> sorry I am really beginning here...
[02:13] <tk> muldo, kdesu kate sources.list
[02:13] <tk> mulder: rather
[02:13] <martin__> mulder: with a text editor of your choice. try sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:14] <tk> if you are in /etc/apt/ i forgot that part
[02:15] <mulder> Wowowow! everything get so slow when I open Kate
[02:15] <mulder> mouse cursor so slooow
[02:15] <mulder> as well as gnenview
[02:16] <mulder> is it something to do with graphics?
[02:16] <martin__> mulder: this will wear off. I do not see a reason to have gwenview open, however.
[02:16] <martin__> try to keep the application count low when doing administrative work
[02:16] <mulder> me too...that was yesterday. but Kate is doing the same thing
[02:17] <mulder> count low?
[02:17] <mulder> how can I do that?
[02:17] <tk> mulder: what kinda specs does this laptop have?
[02:18] <mulder> duo core 1,6...1 gg ddr II ati x1400 512mb...80 gg hdd
[02:18] <mulder> acer aspire 5672
[02:18] <stray77> well that should be blazing fast
[02:18] <mulder> in windows it is
[02:18] <stray77> then itll be faster in linux
[02:18] <mulder> I hope
[02:19] <stray77> once you get the hang of it
[02:19] <mulder> but even when I open system settings...stuff get slow. I have to close it to go back to normal
[02:19] <stray77> right now youre stuck on editing a text file
[02:19] <mulder> indeed
[02:21] <martin__> I will be tared and feathered for this, but a computer is a tool. If windows *really* suits you better, you should use that. If you are willing to learn, You might see that linux is superior in many ways. However, being whiney about what is better in windows is inconsiderate. Just my 0.02 Euros.
[02:22] <Shinzetsu> does someone know how to wipe a hdd and make 1 huge FAT32 partition on it?
[02:22] <tk> fdisk...
[02:22] <stray77> ya but whatever for?
[02:22] <intelikey> martin i concur
[02:22] <stray77> and huge is relative
[02:22] <martin__> Shinzetsu: try kdesu gparted. it is somehow like partitionmagic
[02:22] <Kiongku> stray77: u know how to write Autostart script?
[02:22] <stray77> fat32 only goes so big
[02:22] <mulder> i really want to use linux...but i would to see some tiny progess. don't need patronising though martin :-)
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> yeah I need to backup my music before I set up this ubuntu/winxp dualboot system
[02:23] <tk> Shinzetsu: ntfs-3g can read/write ntfs... i havent got it auto-mounting via fstab yet but it works when I mount it manuallly
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> problem is,
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> i got everything backed up, but its ext3 ><
[02:24] <mulder> is there a way to have a better res for a start?
[02:24] <tk> in the mean time..
[02:24] <intelikey> !ati
[02:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <martin__> mulder: I do not think this is patronising. I just have had my part of users being whiney about how much better everything used to work in windows blah blah. Such people might actually really be suited better with microsofts operating system. No offense intended.
[02:25] <stray77> i still use both
[02:25] <stray77> but i kinda have to for work
[02:27] <mulder> martin, if i wanted to use xp only i wouldn't be here believe me. not whinging, just a bit frustrated that's all
[02:27] <tk> mulder: what install did you use?
[02:27] <intelikey> most with of my windows face east
[02:27] <tk> martin__: is that under Win 3.11?
[02:27] <tk> or dos?
[02:27] <martin__> tk: pure dos
[02:28] <tk> heh, nice, havent seen a true dos pc in years now :P
[02:28] <tk> bah, time to change key settings, cant ctrl+tab in FF :/
[02:28] <martin__> tk, simply works best for that old-skool gaming experience. you can have a douzend for a buck at ebay
[02:29] <mulder> i downloaded the 6.06.1 version from kubuntu (torrent) guess the desktop version
[02:29] <tk> ugh, oh yah... I asked earlier, how compllicated is the chroot 32bit FF under 64bit Kubuntu?
[02:30] <martin__> mulder: do you have a list of most immediate problems?
[02:30] <mulder> yes sure martin
[02:30] <tk> mulder: booted to live cd and installed from the desktop shortcut? did you have any problems with the live CD version? or more once you rebooted to HD boot?
[02:31] <martin__> mulder: that's kind of a lawyers answer - totally correct, and totally useless ;) How about sharing that list
[02:31] <tk> I must have to find  death metal stream to get metal on this radio... Our Lady Peace isnt heavy metal :(
[02:31] <mulder> 1-want both cpus recognized not just one 2-want to have a nice shiny 1280x800 resolution for eye candy 3-being able to get updates whenever they are available
[02:32] <mulder> give me time to write...I lost one hand
[02:33] <mulder> booted from image cd burned on disk
[02:33] <mulder> but it took a long time to install though...
[02:33] <Gh0st75> well, finally got kubuntu reinstalled, and i have sound again
[02:34] <martin__> mulder: concerning 3) did you change your sources.list by now?
[02:34] <tk> I'm considering going back to 64bit just to see the performance differennce with F@H
[02:34] <Gh0st75> is there a way i can backup my current kubuntu installation, a saved state if you will.....before i mess around trying to get java reinstalled, i don't want java to force me to reinstall kubuntu again, my slow connection makes the initial updates take 4-5 hours
[02:35] <Hawkwind> mulder: 1) Install the linux-686(SMP) kernel and you'll see both CPU's that your system has.  3) Adept tells you of updates or you can simply run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade once a day or so and if there are updates it will tell you
[02:35] <K3B> o/h
[02:35] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: If you follow the java how-to it won't force you to reinstall.
[02:36] <Hawkwind> !java > Gh0st75
[02:36] <Dimon> mulder, there is automatic updater
[02:36] <martin__> Hawkwind: 3) there is a problem with mulders retrieving the repros list
[02:36] <Gh0st75> that's the how-to i followed before, and i ended up with no sound
[02:36] <mulder> guys the main point that got me to the download problem was that i couldn't get hold of the linux 686 kernel...
[02:36] <Dimon> it displays icon at the bottom right corner when updates are available
[02:37] <Hawkwind> mulder: Then you don't have enough sources defined is the problem
[02:37] <mulder> I have checked..I only have one cpu recognized as 0
[02:37] <intelikey> this is bad.   dist-upgrade wants to install 70m of language packs.    i don't use any language packs.....   and i thought localepurge would prevent such things.
[02:38] <tk> mulder: you said you have web access right?
[02:38] <mulder> yes...also I wouldn't be here if i didn't :-)
[02:38] <tk> i can pop the kernel on my webserver if it helps
[02:38] <intelikey> is there someplace to black list packages ?
[02:38] <mulder> that is why I am confused
[02:38] <mulder> maybe a dns problem?
[02:39] <Kevin_Jim> i have a Dual Boot Desktop PC with Kubuntu and window$ xp
[02:40] <tk> mulder: you have the 64bit or 32bit intels?
[02:40] <Gh0st75> same here kevin
[02:40] <mulder> 32 bits
[02:40] <tk> nm
[02:40] <tk> stupid quesiton
[02:40] <mulder> centrino duo
[02:41] <mulder> I am using a Dlink wireless router
[02:41] <Kevin_Jim> i want to backup the latest norton ghost backup, but this is going to disable the boot sector
[02:41] <Kevin_Jim> and it will load only window$
[02:41] <tk> Hawkwind: this would be the right deb file for him rihgt? linux-image-686-smp_<IP_ADDRESS>.1_i386.deb
[02:42] <Kevin_Jim> does anyone know who to do it whitout damage the Grub nor Kubuntu
[02:42] <Kevin_Jim> ???
[02:42] <roman> wy is amule so sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
[02:42] <Hawkwind> tk: There is a <IP_ADDRESS> version in the repos
[02:43] <mulder> but for 386
[02:44] <mulder> and it shows as installed
[02:44] <mulder> why the 686 version isn;t installed by default?
[02:45] <mulder> ok I am off for now...machine getting hot. will try to come back later
[02:47] <tk> hmmm Hawkwind... if I do apt-get -d install (package) it still says it will unpack it... am I jus tbeing paranoid in thinking that its gonna try and install it?
[02:50] <J4t__> tk: the package is downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:52] <tk> J4t__: thanks, just didnt want to accidently install ta kernel i couldnt use trying to help someone :P
[02:53] <J4t__> tk: ok :)
[02:54] <tk> but he's not here now anyways
[02:57] <__osh__> Is there somewhere on launchpad.net a place where I can see the latest reported bugs? Not just the 5 last as on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[02:58] <GameX>  limewire is better then amule
[02:59] <GameX> so does someone know how to instal limewire on kkununtu
[02:59] <fek> moin
[02:59] <K3B> KTorrent is the best
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> GameX: don't install Limewire
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> but FrostWire
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> it's the same thing
[03:00] <GameX> you can't downld music with ktorrent
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> even the interface is the same
[03:00] <K3B> oh really
[03:00] <GameX> is frostwire special for linux
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> yes
[03:00] <GameX> so ktorrent is stupid
[03:01] <GameX> then i go for frostwire
[03:01] <GameX> :)
[03:01] <Kevin_Jim> try Automatix, Automatix will Download and install everything you chose to
[03:01] <Kevin_Jim> Frostwire, Azureus, nVidia - AMD ( ATI ) Drivers and many other things
[03:02] <GameX> nice progam
[03:02] <Kevin_Jim> very nice
[03:02] <K3B> i use KTorrent(Azureus) -it's good P2p
[03:02] <Kevin_Jim> you can get Xgl/Compiz too
[03:02] <GameX> i am downloading it now
[03:02] <K3B> and...
[03:03] <ChandlerBing> does anyone of you use kde 3.5.4 and twinview?
[03:03] <GameX> i need ATI driver my ati radeon 9250
[03:03] <K3B> 3.5.2 only
[03:03] <Kevin_Jim> i use KDE 3.5.4
[03:04] <ChandlerBing> i have problems with the X modul in system settings. when i edit my xorg.conf my hand kde falls back to 800x600
[03:04] <ChandlerBing> can i disable the x modul in system settings?
[03:05] <K3B> can you tell me more arguments why you use KDE 3.5.4??
[03:05] <ChandlerBing> because it's the latest version
[03:05] <Kevin_Jim> because it has Bug Fixed and 2 new Features
[03:05] <K3B> and so...
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> i told you so...
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> KDE Rulez
[03:06] <GameX> how do you install frostwire
[03:06] <ChandlerBing> yes, but the x modul sucks
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> KDE 4 is gonna kick some serius @ss
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> w8 untill KDE 4
[03:07] <K3B> KDE Rulezzzz - only Rulezzzz
[03:07] <K3B> ??
[03:07] <ChandlerBing> well, I love KDE. but i dont like it that i cant edit the xorg.conf by hand and make kde accept my changes
[03:07] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: How do you know? KDE4 is just some libs atm, isn't it?
[03:08] <Kevin_Jim> NO
[03:08] <HailandKill> I remember finding a wiki that listed wireless devices that have linux support and work under kubuntu. Anyone know it? Or know of a similar list?
[03:08] <Kevin_Jim> KDE is gonna many steps foreword
[03:09] <Kevin_Jim> look at this and the links in it
[03:09] <Kevin_Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde_4
[03:10] <__osh__> HailandKill: I thought I saw something like that on tuxmobile.com
[03:10] <dotem> cauko
[03:12] <dotem> existuje nieco ako alkohol 120 pre linux [pls help me]
[03:12] <K3B> im must go out but a come back for hour
[03:12] <HailandKill> __osh__ : Not what I was thinking, but certainly similar. Thanks.
[03:12] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: Right. So the new fantastic KDE4 will look exactly like KDE3.X. Right. Got it.  From what I can see from your link it sais that they're focusing on API's and libs. Just like I said.
[03:13] <__osh__> HailandKill: I thought I saw a list there (some time ago) about which devices works good with linux. Wasn't that what you were looking for?
[03:13] <larson9999> i bought a new machine with an amd64 3500 cpu.  the question i have is should i put a 64 bit kubuntu on it?  i've heard there are lots of things that don't work with it.
[03:14] <HailandKill> __osh__ : no, the list you sent me was great! I just meant it wasn't *the* list I was thinking. It's perfect though. Thanks =)
[03:14] <Kevin_Jim> _osh_: go Google it and make your reasearch, you'll see that it's not it
[03:14] <__osh__> larson9999: Please try and tell me the result. I tried some 6months ago and was disappointed. Perhaps things are better now.
[03:14] <Kevin_Jim> but for me the Qt4 is alone a very very good reason to to the swich
[03:15] <larson9999> lol@__osh__ how about you try again and t ell me the results?
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> larson9999: it works perfectly here
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> except
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> flash
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> acrobat reader
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> some media codecs
[03:16] <Gh0st75> i have java installed according to the link you sent hawkwind, but when i try to verify the installation on java.com, it's not picking up. i've selected java under tools -> html settings
[03:16] <Gh0st75> is there another command i need to type in console, i seem to remember having to before
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> and Phonon
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> and many other things
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> don't forget
[03:17] <Kevin_Jim> some people are going to pay much many to make a pc that can make the swich from xp to s-vista
[03:17] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: Oh, I'll switch too. When it's out. And when I see something worth futzing about. Right now it's just kde3 with newer libs...
[03:17] <Gh0st75> would this be what i need to type: sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun
[03:17] <Kevin_Jim> svista = delete at Greeks
[03:18] <hitomi> if someone have a prob of partition aumount at start up, just install autofs :)
[03:20] <Gh0st75> or would this be the right command: sudo update-alternatives --config java      ....got these from two different sites
[03:20] <psb154> GhOst75 don't know if it helps but you can: man update-java-alternatives
[03:20] <Gh0st75> man instead of sudo?
[03:20] <psb154> man as in manual :-)
[03:20] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:21] <psb154> man - an interface to the on-line reference manuals
[03:22] <Gh0st75> k, tried that and i get a screen i don't seem to understand too well
[03:23] <__osh__> and for graphical man, type "man:" in konqueror. =)
[03:23] <larson9999> tsdgeos: are there work arounds for flash and the media codecs?
[03:24] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[03:24] <tsdgeos> no idea
[03:24] <tsdgeos> probably a chroot would help
[03:24] <Gh0st75> "timestamp too far in the future" when i use sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:24] <tsdgeos> but i'm happy without flash and media :-)
[03:24] <__osh__> larson9999: tedious ones when I tried it. Changerooted 32-bit installations called from the 64-bit world. :-/
[03:24] <Gh0st75> wtf does that mean?
[03:24] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:24] <__osh__> Gh0st75: Probably that your clock is way off.
[03:25] <grothesk> Gh0st75: You should keep your clocks uptodate.
[03:25] <__osh__> Gh0st75: or was during installation. Timestamp on your files doesn't match the current time.
[03:25] <TheFuzzball> hello, who can tell me how to configure kmilo for my IBM Thinkpad X30?
[03:25] <Gh0st75> my clock was just reset earlier, to the correct time
[03:25] <larson9999> Gh0st75: i got that message when i changed the time to the past in between installing programs.
[03:25] <Gh0st75> should i restart kubuntu to make sure any clocks update?
[03:25] <Gh0st75> ah, it might have been during the java download that i updated the clock
[03:26] <larson9999> Gh0st75: if you wait a while you can install again
[03:26] <TheFuzzball> hello?
[03:26] <Gh0st75> oy vey, i could never possibly mess up in windows this much, does the learning curve or pickiness of linux ever cease to be frustrating?
[03:27] <Gh0st75> larson: wait a while as in minutes or hours?
[03:27] <larson9999> Gh0st75: depends on how many hours you changed the time.
[03:28] <Gh0st75> great, like 4 hours or so
[03:28] <larson9999> Gh0st75: i think you can also change the time back and then finish installing stuff
[03:28] <Gh0st75> i dunno what the exact time was before i changed it....being a windows user such a minor change i didn't think i'd need to document
[03:28] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:29] <dhq> PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed
[03:29] <larson9999> Gh0st75: the learning curve picks up.  for what it's worth, i had my aunt install windows from scratch and she could get everything installed correctly.  i think part of the curve issue is due to the fact that pc's come with windows already installed.
[03:29] <dhq> plz  help me out
[03:30] <psb154> tuxar if you look at the properties of the korganizer icon what application is it launching?
[03:31] <larson9999> she could=she could not
[03:31] <dotem_> hi
[03:31] <Gh0st75> i've installed and tinkered with windows for 7 years now, and i was able to get kubuntu installed with zero effort, it's just that if you want to install anything not pre-loaded, or do anything beyond surfing, chatting or emailing, then you're going to encounter trouble
[03:31] <tuxar> The reminder daemon
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: That's not true.  It's just things are done completely different in Linux and you have to get used to how things are done.  Everyone starts off slow when it comes to Linux
[03:32] <Gh0st75> the ubuntu wiki is a great help, i must admit
[03:32] <larson9999> Gh0st75: yeah but i bet you'd have similar issues if windows didn't install the non free stuff for you.
[03:32] <larson9999> Gh0st75: but you could always pay someone to install it for you and still come out cheaper than buying windows.
[03:33] <Gh0st75> already have windows, mainly doing this as a learning experience
[03:33] <TheFuzzball> Pirate windows! it won't make any difference to bill
[03:33] <Gh0st75> heh, the experience has been a mix of learning and humility :)
[03:34] <psb154> tuxar is that the one in the tray or the icon that launches the application
[03:34] <dotem> speak sb slovak
[03:34] <larson9999> Gh0st75: yes, my point is that if linux came preinstalled like windows, many of the issues go away
[03:34] <Gh0st75> i'll leave java and frostwire until later this afternoon, will work on codecs and customizations for now
[03:35] <Gh0st75> true enough larson, to use what came pre-loaded with kubuntu, everything worked perfectly
[03:35] <Gh0st75> heck, even windows can't always say that
[03:35] <psb154> tuxar I meant the icon you use to launch the application
[03:39] <dhq> PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed
[03:40] <psb154> k
[03:42] <crazy_penguin> Good afternoon all!:)
[03:48] <psb154> np
[03:51] <Hawkwind> tuxar: Curious...why do you keep using /me to send text to the channel ?
[03:53] <Gh0st75> in konqueror, is there a way to set bookmark folders so that you don't have all the toolbar options in each folder repeated?
[03:53] <tuxar> ups sory Hawkwind, I'm very new in IRC and I understand that is the command to send private messages to others
[03:53] <Gh0st75> the Add, Edit, and New options show up inside every single folder
[03:53] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No.  To send a private message, you do /query <nick> or /msg <nick>  /me is known as an action
[03:55] <Hawkwind> tuxar: However, it is considered rude to PM users without permission.  Best to keep all conversation here in the main channel so others can see and help
[03:56] <psb154> Hawkwind... leave... the... kid... alone...
[03:56] <tuxar> ok, but for example , you send me this message, it is a PM ? I reading this in red colour
[03:57] <Hawkwind> psb154: Excuse me ?
[03:57] <psb154> wtf
[03:57] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No it's not a PM when I send you this message.  I'm just using your nick at the beginning of the sentence so you know I'm speaking to you
[03:58] <__osh__> Is there somewhere on launchpad.net a place where I can see all the latest reported bugs? Not just the 5 last as on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[03:58] <tuxar> Hawkwind: juaaaa, thanks and sorry for this mess,
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: AFAIK those options are always there.  I've never seen a way to get rid of them
[03:59] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No need to apologize.  Just teaching you how IRC works :)
[03:59] <Hawkwind> __osh__: launchpad.net/bugs ?
[03:59] <Gh0st75> bummer, guess i'll resort to one long list and scrap the folders, i get irked by redundency, heh
[03:59] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: It's done that way to make bookmarking things easier.  Instead of having to go in and move them around you can add a bookmark where you want.  A lot easier that way
[04:00] <tuxar> Hawkwind: :) thk you very much !
[04:00] <Hawkwind> __osh__: https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:01] <tuxar> Hawkwind: the last... how to put me in away mode ? /away ?
[04:01] <Hawkwind> __osh__: From that screen you can select many different things to show more than just the top 5 bugs
[04:01] <Hawkwind> tuxar: /away   But make sure your client is setup to *not* announce an away message.  Most channels don't want to see away messages, and some will kick/ban you for using them
[04:02] <Hawkwind> tuxar: Or you can do: /away <message-here>
[04:02] <CyberMad> why kubuntu better than ubuntu (i say this because #ubuntu have bigger community than #kubuntu), AFAIK KDE is more popular than Gnome. I want install the distro in my new IBM X31 laptop :)
[04:02] <Gh0st75> i do most of my websurfing at work anyhoo, just need my online billing and torrent links here
[04:02] <gebruiker> my kubuntu is so sloww
[04:02] <Tm_T> CyberMad: they're just the same base, different desktop
[04:02] <tuxar> Hawkwind: thk
[04:02] <Gh0st75> cybermad, to my understanding both are similar desktops, but kde is supposed to look more like windows than gnome does
[04:02] <__osh__> Hawkwind: Yes, but I can't seem to find a view that holds the latest bugs at the top and then goes backwards in time. That would be usefull to me as I could use that to locate duplicates.
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: err, no
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: it's supposed to look KDE, not "like windows"
[04:03] <gebruiker> my kubuntu is so sloww... why?
[04:03] <Gh0st75> *shrugs* as i said, to my understanding, just going by the information i've read online, which has enormous discrepency it seems when it comes to linux
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: hehe ;)
[04:04] <Hawkwind> __osh__: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/ubuntu-bugzilla
[04:04] <CyberMad> so, do you choose kubuntu just because "like windows" ?
[04:04] <Gh0st75> is there a project similar to the Ubuntu starter wiki in the works for Kubuntu?
[04:04] <gebruiker123> my kubuntu is sooo slow! WHY???!??!?!?
[04:05] <CyberMad> gebruiker123 buy new PC with higher specs.
[04:05] <Hawkwind> gebruiker123: Trying being more descriptive.  Give details of what is slow, what you're doing when it's slow
[04:05] <Tm_T> tuxar: noooh :(
[04:05] <gebruiker123> erhhh
[04:05] <psb154> lol
[04:05] <__osh__> Hawkwind: excellent. just what I was looking for. thanks a bunch. =)
[04:05] <Hawkwind> CyberMad: That's not a reasonable answer
[04:05] <Gh0st75> CyberMad: yes, to make the initial learning curve less of a shock. i intend this to be my first linux distro, but not my last. once i've learned more about unix i'll be looking for a distro more specific to my needs
[04:05] <gebruiker123> When I apt-get upgrade my box ... it takes ages to get in my home directory with konqurorororor openoffice takes ages to load
[04:06] <Hawkwind> __osh__: On the https://launchpad.net/malone screen, click on the top right option that says 'ubuntu-bugzilla'
[04:06] <CyberMad> Hawkwind yes i know, because he didn't give descriptive question :P
[04:06] <gebruiker123> I have Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz
[04:06] <Tm_T> CyberMad: I use kubuntu because KDE is highly configurable, easy to use and just right to my needs
[04:06] <Tm_T> CyberMad: it's up to you what you like
[04:07] <__osh__> Hawkwind: yep. found it.
[04:07] <Tm_T> CyberMad: in raw: Gnome is more simple "just works" and KDE is more flexible and highly configurable
[04:07] <CyberMad> Tm_T ok, i better start try both... each 3 months :D
[04:07] <Hawkwind> CyberMad: People choose to use what they use because they can and because they like it.  They find it works for them.  We suggest that you use many different things and decide what's best for *you*
[04:07] <Tm_T> CyberMad: heh, have both
[04:07] <Gh0st75> both kde and gnome appear to be "heavy desktops", i've had people recommend desktops like Fluxbox for frequent remote desktop use for example, as it's a lighter desktop and less laggy through remote
[04:08] <Tm_T> CyberMad: you can install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop so you can choose which you use
[04:08] <__osh__> Tm_T: Gnome makes me want to start a kickboxing fight with my computer, but to each his own I guess. ;-)
[04:08] <CyberMad> Tm_T how much Gnome take hard disk space ?
[04:08] <gebruiker123>  IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT82 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz
[04:08] <Tm_T> CyberMad: no idea
[04:08] <gebruiker123> why the hell is my pc so god dam slow!
[04:08] <gebruiker123> i start to hate kubuntu
[04:08] <Tm_T> __osh__: Gnome is very restrictive to my needs ;(
[04:08] <__osh__> CyberMad: not much. and it's quite pretty though.
[04:08] <Gh0st75> much memory there gebruiker123?
[04:09] <CyberMad> ok, thank you for every explanation :)
[04:09] <Gh0st75> i'm running 1gb ram, but i'd imagine kubuntu should run fine on 512
[04:10] <__osh__> Tm_T: I'm hooked on KDE too but I do believe ubuntu is much more polished than kubuntu is. I usually recommend ppl to try out ubuntu rather than kubuntu (I'm sorry to say).
[04:11] <Tm_T> __osh__: well, it is, because of the nature of Gnome (there's less to control iirc)
[04:11] <Gh0st75> i would be more inclined to recommend ubuntu to new people as well, they have more informative forums and starter wiki at the moment
[04:11] <bruno__> cawo, je tu niekto s jazykom slovenskym???
[04:12] <Tm_T> bruno__: please use english
[04:12] <__osh__> !si
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about si - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Tm_T> __osh__: si?
[04:12] <bruno__> ok, i must speak english....
[04:12] <__osh__> Tm_T: Slovenia. If there was a kubuntu channel in that language.
[04:12] <bruno__> speak here anyone slovak????
[04:12] <__osh__> !se
[04:12] <Tm_T> bruno__: and I don't know if there any slovenian community
[04:12] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[04:13] <Tm_T> __osh__: stop fishing ;)
[04:13] <__osh__> Tm_T: Like for swedes... ;-)
[04:13] <user_> hi :)
[04:13] <__osh__> and I was obviously wrong. it was slovakian, not slovenian.
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:14] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm off ->
[04:14] <__osh__> Tm_T: Not fishing. Really...  No time for that. =)
[04:14] <bruno__> here nobody speak slovak????
[04:14] <g4lv4tr0n> sometimes when i boot my machine it freezes on Mounting root filesystem, after a few hits of the restart button it boots. does anyone else have this problem, or know how i can fix it ??
[04:15] <__osh__> bruno__: I know a few words on slovenian, but that doesn't help you much, does it? ;-)
[04:15] <__osh__> g4lv4tr0n: sounds like there's something wrong with your disk or motherboard. install smartmontools and check your disks.
[04:16] <__osh__> s/ on / in /g
[04:17] <g4lv4tr0n> how do i check my disk with smartmontools
[04:17] <fabrizio> hi
[04:18] <K3B> i speak polish language , hehe  that is resamle slovanian
[04:18] <__osh__> g4lv4tr0n: install it, then read the manpages. then ask again if something isn't clear. it's not that hard.
[04:20] <g4lv4tr0n> sudo smartctl /dev/sda1 did nothing ?
[04:22] <K3B> #privmsg bruno czy ty mnei rozumiesz??
[04:22] <g4lv4tr0n> might go and do a low level format
[04:29] <uwo> bol
[04:30] <bruno> its here anyone who can create server on kubunu distribution whith dns server and learn me how dns server running???
[04:30] <fritsch> bruno: a local dns server? so that the clients behind can connect to the internet?
[04:32] <bruno> server for my page and pages my friends
[04:33] <fdoving> bruno: this is a nice document: http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/
[04:33] <bruno> thanks all
[04:37] <UQlev> Anybody installed AMD64 distro?
[04:44] <bruno> msg nickserv set hide email on
[04:46] <AndyZ> hello?
[04:46] <Erich-K> Hello
[04:47] <AndyZ> I need help uninstalling Linux.  To whom should I go?
[04:47] <Erich-K> Err
[04:47] <Erich-K> No clue
[04:47] <UQlev> AndyZ: what do you mean uninstall Linux?
[04:47] <Erich-K> Why don't you try a google search "How to uninstall linux"
[04:48] <UQlev> AndyZ: just use its partitions for something else
[04:48] <AndyZ> UQlev: It keeps crashing on me
[04:48] <Erich-K> What distro?
[04:48] <AndyZ> Kubuntu
[04:48] <Erich-K> How much RAM do you have?
[04:48] <AndyZ> 512
[04:48] <Erich-K> Not bad
[04:48] <fritsch> Erich-K:  :-)
[04:48] <Erich-K> Mine runs fine on 384
[04:49] <UQlev> AndyZ: i386 or AMD64 distro?
[04:49] <Erich-K> When you say it crashes, what exactly happens?
[04:50] <AndyZ> UQ: I don't know.  Erich: it freezes up and I have to reset the comp.  I'd rather just uninstall it since I have a 10 gig partitition that I'd like to use for other stuff
[04:51] <UQlev> AndyZ: be carefull with bootloader and grub. When you use Linux partition for other staff it might crash on boot unless you replace bootloader
[04:51] <Erich-K> Mine use to crash like that until i set my monitor and graphics card in display and now it works fine
[04:52] <bruno> must i have register domain to dns? i want create some record in dns without registered domains. please help me
[04:52] <UQlev> bruno: what records do you want?
[04:52] <bruno> server running only with my ip
[04:53] <UQlev> bruno: do you want only A record for your server?
[04:54] <bruno> i dont know. i want create server for my page and pages my friends, but i havent register domain-.
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: ah! a webserver?
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: with dynamic dns, so that you get a "free one"?
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: from for example http://www.dyndns.org
[04:54] <SeicherlBoB> hi! looks like i crashed my kde when trying to set up a dualscreen. can anybody help me? system starts perfectly but kde/X-server hangs when trying to start up
[04:55] <VincentMX> hi
[04:55] <bruno> webserver, ftp server, database, dns for domain.
[04:55] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > hi all
[04:55] <VincentMX> hi chabin[No_LiMiT]
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > i installed the last wine version
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > but when i use steam
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > it freeze
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> STEAM -  The reason  i gave up on pc games.
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > lol
[04:56] <VincentMX> yeh
[04:57] <VincentMX> steam kinda sucks
[04:57] <VincentMX> only thing good about steam is...
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> the Nasty state of copy protection and things like Steam.. really make gaming on a pc suck at times.
[04:57] <VincentMX> what is good about steam anyway?!
[04:57] <bruno> i want have server but im havent registered doomains.
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> VincentMX,  ya can get games online.. but oh wait.. you cant give/sell them to your friends then whenyou are done...
[04:58] <VincentMX> ok
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> VincentMX,  the games are cheaper? Oh wait.. thats not true either.
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:58] <VincentMX> '
[04:58] <VincentMX> :)
[04:58] <SeicherlBoB> people, can anyone help me with my crashed x-server?
[04:59] <VincentMX> anybody knows why sound wont work on the kubuntu livecd?
[04:59] <VincentMX> it dont work here
[04:59] <UQlev> VincentMX: incompatible soundcard
[04:59] <VincentMX> ok
[04:59] <R6Ale> hi
[05:00] <VincentMX> so my laptop is practically useless?
[05:00] <VincentMX> i cant run kubuntu on it
[05:00] <VincentMX> not with sound anyhow
[05:00] <UQlev> VincentMX: yes trash it unless you find another application
[05:00] <SeicherlBoB> VincentMX: well, install it and get the drivers
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> No Sound = Useless.... wow... kids these days.
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:00] <VincentMX> yes
[05:00] <VincentMX> i need music
[05:01] <R6Ale> well Dr_Willis, youve to admit that nosound is kind of harsh
[05:01] <UQlev> VincentMX: mp3 player costs a way less
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> R6Ale,  not really. I tend to watch all my movies at work with CC enabled.
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:01] <R6Ale> whats a cc?
[05:01] <R6Ale> =P
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> No VIDEO would be harsh..
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Close Captioning/Subtitles
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:01] <VincentMX> not for a webserver
[05:01] <R6Ale> im running debian etch with no video atm =P
[05:01] <SeicherlBoB> Ermm.... guys. can anybody lend me his ear? i need help getting my KDE running again
[05:02] <R6Ale> what happened SeicherlBoB
[05:02] <VincentMX> type startkde in the console
[05:02] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: set up a dualscreen and had to restart X-server.... no sign of live since that
[05:02] <UQlev> VincentMX: tru to run Knoppix on it
[05:02] <VincentMX> but i want kubuntu
[05:03] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: i need to reset the X-server to single-screen via console but dont know where
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> Knoppix is a live cd - run it as a TEST.
[05:03] <Erich-K> Knoppix is fun
[05:03] <zblach> anyone up to teaching me the basics of shell scripting (?)
[05:03] <VincentMX> the kubuntu cd is a livecd
[05:03] <VincentMX> but ok
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  you dident backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf did ya? check that file - and see if a backup was auto made.
[05:03] <R6Ale> well, im off the hook with xorg
[05:03] <R6Ale> lemme check
[05:03] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:03] <VincentMX> ill run knoppix on it
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  go read the 'advance bash scripting guide'
[05:04] <zblach> 'advance bash scripting guide' for noobs?
[05:04] <SeicherlBoB> Dr_Willis: no didnt backup ;) though it would be no problem.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  google it.. bookmark it.. read it. :P
[05:04] <VincentMX> knoppix 3.2 is too old isn't it?
[05:04] <VincentMX> october 2003
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  for me its no problem... explainign it to someone else.. can be. :P
[05:04] <UQlev> VincentMX: yes, 5.x is out
[05:04] <VincentMX> ok
[05:04] <gebruiker> guys
[05:04] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: do what fritsch said
[05:04] <gebruiker> I need a application that does the following allow me to configure my ppp/pptp/pppoe coneection
[05:05] <R6Ale> or you can manually edit the config file
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> zblach,   tldp.org also has a great many guides
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  and ya got the Ubuntu/Kubuntu homepages with lots of guides as well.
[05:05] <VincentMX> UQlev, would morphix do?
[05:06] <SeicherlBoB> i got an xorg.conf.1      edit date is likely to be moment of changeing the setup.
[05:06] <gebruiker> I need a application that does the following allow me to configure my ppp/pptp/pppoe coneection
[05:06] <R6Ale> then rename it and check if it works
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  ya could try copying it to xorg.conf or ya can reconfigure X with    dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:06] <UQlev> VincentMX: try morphix
[05:06] <SeicherlBoB> I'll try to use this file and see what happens. How can i start the X-server from console? is it init.d/xcommon start?
[05:06] <VincentMX> ok
[05:06] <R6Ale> back it up first if you are going the dkpg-reconfig route
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  if X isent running. you can just try 'startx'
[05:07] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:07] <SeicherlBoB> looks good !!!
[05:08] <R6Ale> you got both displays running?
[05:08] <SeicherlBoB> gotta restart and see about the displays then. right now i'm happy i see anything at all ;)
[05:08] <R6Ale> well, dont forget to backup the config file =P
[05:09] <AndyZ> Ok.  If you have a partition on your disk which has Linux and everything inside, can you just format that partition?
[05:09] <R6Ale> of course you can... it would not be the smartest move if you dont have a backup
[05:09] <AndyZ> Would that get rid of Linux if the mentioned partition doesn't have anything on it that I want?
[05:10] <R6Ale> how many partitions do you have?
[05:10] <Gh0st75> yay, i now have java installed and working, and this time it let me keep my sound :)
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  format it for what os to use in what way?
[05:11] <UQlev> AndyZ: do you use grub as bootloader?
[05:11] <AndyZ> 2 different areas, one barrier between, as I understand it.  And I'd rather throw data from WinXP into it.  And I don't know what I use, sorry
[05:11] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: ok, now i got single screen again.
[05:11] <eeos> I have recompiled the kernel, but the process does not generate the img file
[05:11] <R6Ale> but its working right?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  You are wanting to TOTALLY remove Linux from the system?
[05:11] <AndyZ> yes
[05:11] <eeos> if I try to boot with the new kernel I get kernel panic
[05:11] <fritsch> AndyZ: just go to windows
[05:12] <AndyZ> I'm listening
[05:12] <gebruiker_> how do i make a Applcation start ONCE!! when kde starts?
[05:12] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: yeah, the single one.... now the question is if i can start the second aswell
[05:12] <UQlev> AndyZ: if you use grub, it keeps configs on Linux partition. Once you clean it your windows will not boot
[05:12] <eeos> is there anyone who can help with kernel recompiling?
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,   use the XP cd. and its rescue mode and the 'fixmbr' command to remove the grub/lilo  boot loader
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: and Rightclick on your icon (where the drives, cdroms) are in
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  that will make it boot to windows only.
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: choose manage
[05:12] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: i take it the 2nd display does not work at all
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: Here you can delete the linux partition
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: after that you reboot with your windows XP cdrom and repair your "start environment"
[05:13] <AndyZ> thank you all
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: -> Linux gone
[05:13] <R6Ale> =/
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> Then enjoy the Malware! :P
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> also dont forget to delete the swap partition. Unless ya use Live CD's
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: but prepare -  you are not able to boot, after having deletet the linux partition (grub is also gone)
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> then ya could keep it. so they can use it.
[05:14] <fritsch> Sorry, nothing we could do ...
[05:14] <fritsch> he did not want to debug, etc.
[05:14] <MitchM> *nods head ins hame*
[05:14] <MitchM> shame*]
[05:14] <R6Ale> off to eat
[05:14] <fritsch> Perhaps he ends up with a none working boot manager *G*
[05:14] <fritsch> and hates linux for the rest of his life *G*
[05:14] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: ....
[05:15] <R6Ale> yeap?
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> you stay?
[05:15] <R6Ale> ive 2 more minutes
[05:15] <R6Ale> =D
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> boot xp cd --> rescue mode --> 'fixmbr' command --> now it will boot. :)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> if he caught that part i dont know...
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: the thing is: its a laptop. 1 got 1 graphicsadapter with 2 monitors and a second one with one monitor. so which will be the LCD and which is the VGA external
[05:16] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: this will sound stupid, but you do have a dual headed graphic display, right?
[05:16] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: its a laptop with external. Windows used to run in dualhead
[05:17] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: what graphics card do you use?
[05:17] <SeicherlBoB> some intel onboard
[05:17] <R6Ale> ewk
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> intel 852GM
[05:18] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: ah okay! then you need a special tool
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> ick
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: tell me more
[05:18] <R6Ale> got to run. ill be back in 30' if you still need a hand
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> thanks!
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> enjoy your meal
[05:18] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo apt-get install i810switch
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> that sounds good
[05:19] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: please be sure you are using this driver in your xorg.conf
[05:19] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you can do: i810switch crt on or i810switch crt off
[05:19] <Gh0st75> i just tried to open adept and it's not responding, if i kill it will i be locked out of the package manager?
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: or i810switch lcd on i80switch lcd off
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: with sudo i think
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> driver is i810
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: good installed this programm?
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you external monitor is plugged?
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> not yet... wait
[05:21] <SeicherlBoB> yeah. external is plugged and running, LCD is off
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: no do: sudo i810switch lcd on
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: lets see
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: your lcd should "light" up and your picture sould be the same on each ...
[05:22] <SeicherlBoB> have to install first ;)
[05:22] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: just one command *G* :-) give speed
[05:23] <eeos> anyone with experience in compiling kernel? I have some problems.
[05:23] <SeicherlBoB> it says "enabling lcd" but nothing happens. should i start with lcd running and no crt attached?
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: yes try this
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: please restart your computer without LCD
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: without crt, sorry
[05:25] <Gh0st75> hmm, i think i broke adept yet again (damn fragile little thing)
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> ok
[05:26] <Gh0st75> what's the konsole command to relase any programs running the package manager so i can get back into adept?
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> ok. this will take a sec.
[05:26] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: take your time (me is waitong on kpete 0.12.2 to finish compiling)
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> hehe. whatever that is ;)
[05:27] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: kopete ...
[05:28] <Gh0st75> anyone?
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> ok. lcd running. no crt attached
[05:28] <eeos> anyone with experience in compiling kernel?
[05:28] <fritsch> eeos: me
[05:28] <eeos> fritsch: thanks
[05:28] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: plug in your crt
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> done
[05:28] <eeos> fritsch I have recompiled the kernel added it to grub but all I get when I try to start it is a kernel panic
[05:28] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo i810switch crt on
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: how did you recompile it?
[05:29] <Gh0st75> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[05:29] <Gh0st75> that's what i get when i try to open Adept
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --append-to-version "-myversion" --initrd
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: the --initrd is important
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> heyheyhey
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> there we go
[05:29] <eeos> fritsch: make xconfig, make, make install, make modules_install
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: argh, this is really not the debian way
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: which sources did you take?
[05:30] <eeos> fritsch, this is what they told me here on the chat room
[05:30] <eeos> :-(
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: this was not good
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: which kernel soruces did you compile
[05:30] <eeos> fritsch I have experience with other distributions
[05:30] <eeos> linux-source-2.6.15
[05:31] <eeos> fritsch linux-source-2.6.15
[05:31] <fritsch> why did you recompile?
[05:31] <fritsch> eeos: you had to apply a custom patch?
[05:31] <eeos> fritsch to use alsa 1.0.11
[05:31] <fritsch> eeos: did you change the whole configuration?
[05:32] <fritsch> eeos: so you patched alsa "in" the kernel?
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch  because i need it for my sound card based modem
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: sorry for interupting here, but how can i setup the dualscreen now?
[05:32] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: is this working?
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch I did keep the whole configuration
[05:32] <fritsch> eeos: did the alsa patch apply cleanly (*wondering*)
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: yeah. but both showing the same
[05:32] <gebruiker_> I would like to create a installer that restores everything i.e ghostimage or some kind of thing like it...
[05:32] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: cool :-) if you make a presentation - this is cool
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch but set sound system on and removed all other sound drivers, as suggested on alsa web site
[05:32] <gebruiker_> I would like to create a installer that restores everything i.e ghostimage or some kind of thing like it...
[05:33] <fritsch> eeos: the alsa patch applied cleanly?
[05:33] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: lol. i need 2 different ones. not a clone ;)
[05:33] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you have to deal with xinerama
[05:33] <fritsch> !xinerama
[05:33] <ubotu> xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaHowTo
[05:33] <SeicherlBoB> thanks!
[05:33] <kujeger> gebruiker_: dd could work
[05:33] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: look above (me just wanted to know, if it works)
[05:33] <ninHer> hi all
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch I did not apply the alsa patch
[05:34] <gebruiker_> kujeger: a automatic installer that I could on cd-r
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch I used the system suggested by alsa packagers
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: why then recompiling the kernel?
[05:34] <SeicherlBoB> gotta go now anyway. thanks fritsch!
[05:34] <eeos> where you compile alsa separately
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: you can compile alsa! and! using the default installed ubuntu kernel
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch because you need to set the sound system YES in the kernel configuration and all the rest to no
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: okay! got it
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: got /usr/src/linux-2.6.15 ....
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: do
[05:35] <BabaLi> Hi, how can i add the kubuntu cdrom to the repository ?
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --append-to-version "-eeos1" --initrd kernel_image
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: on command
[05:35] <eeos> fritsch wait
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: after that, if you have to compile "nvidia modules or sth. other"
[05:36] <eeos> fritsch do I need to be root?
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg --append-to-version "--eeos1" modules_image
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: yes
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: this will recompile the whole ubuntu kernel (can take a long time)
[05:37] <eeos> fritsch thsi will NOT remove the present kernel, right?
[05:39] <eeos> fritsch are you there?
[05:39] <bruno> adres of my server is hostraj.com, but it dont running. runnoing only my ip adress
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: yes it wont
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: it will produce nice debian packages
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: you can install and uninstall
[05:40] <fritsch> eeos: just be sure you typed in my commands correctly
[05:40] <mulder> well back again .hello all
[05:40] <eeos> fritsch so I will be able to run the different kernels
[05:40] <eeos> fritsch I copied and pasted
[05:40] <mulder> hello Fritsch
[05:41] <mulder> and the rest of the helpful guilde
[05:41] <eeos> fritsch is it going to use the config I created the last time?
[05:41] <fritsch> eeos: good :-) you will
[05:41] <fritsch> eeos: yes it does
[05:42] <fritsch> eeos: it uses the .config
[05:42] <fritsch> mulder: hi
[05:42] <eeos> fritsch I have to check, because i think I did make mrproper at the end of last compile, so I removed .config! aaaarrgh!
[05:42] <muller> hi
[05:42] <mulder> well I am still stuck with the same probelm as yesterday
[05:43] <mulder> I thought I was gona give up...I just can't. I really want to have Kubuntu running
[05:43] <ubuntu_> hi room
[05:43] <zipper_> hello
[05:43] <marto> hi
[05:43] <marto> sex>
[05:43] <marto> ?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> i am currently on ubuntu6
[05:44] <ubuntu_> need to ask some question
[05:44] <zipper_> okay?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> how do i set the default manager in ubuntu kdm or gdm?
[05:44] <marto> sex ve?
[05:44] <marto> lainari
[05:44] <ubuntu_> what is the command?
[05:44] <marto> hahahaha
[05:44] <marto> typanari
[05:44] <marto> kavali
[05:44] <marto> :"))))
[05:44] <mulder> when you boot kubuntu you have the choice in the options
[05:45] <mulder> am I right?
[05:45] <marto> ebete sa v gyza ve
[05:45] <marto> uuuuuuuuuu
[05:45] <ubuntu_> that is right sir
[05:45] <marto> ai sa ebem
[05:45] <ubuntu_> but thing is
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch I checked it uses the right config
[05:45] <ubuntu_> when  chked services
[05:45] <ubuntu_> i see both gdm and kdm
[05:45] <marto> aaa
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch what happens to the modules I have compiled for the old kernel?
[05:45] <marto> :")))))))))
[05:45] <ubuntu_> i only want kdm
[05:45] <fritsch> eeos: good, so just wait, it produces deb packages, just a level higher
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch can the new kernel use them?
[05:46] <mulder> well google me thinks :-)
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: no! you have to recompile the modules, too
[05:46] <eeos> fritsch (I compiled some additional modules)
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: which ones do you need?
[05:46] <ubuntu_> so i wanted to know if the was cl tool for setting the defaul dm ?
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: you need fglx | nvidia?
[05:46] <eeos> et13x for the agere system network card
[05:46] <harmental> anybody using pybliograohic out there?
[05:46] <eeos> fglrx for the ati card
[05:46] <eeos> fritsch  et13x for the agere system network card and  fglrx for the ati card
[05:46] <mulder> and me cannot get linux-686 to run...no downloads working and bad res because of an ati card
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch plus the new alsa, of course
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: please do: sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch after having installed the new kernel I imagine?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> so no1 knows?
[05:47] <jott_> ubuntu_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:47] <mulder> sorry Ubuntu
[05:47] <zipper_> !nvidia > zipper_
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: no just in an other window
[05:47] <ubuntu_> ty jott
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch shall I stop the compilation process?
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: no!
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: just do what i say :-)
[05:48] <eeos> fritsch already done of course
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: 1.) sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source 2.) cd /usr/src/
[05:48] <ubuntu_> jott u rock :)
[05:48] <ubuntu_> ty so much
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: 3.) tar xvfz fglrx-kernel-source.tar.gz
[05:48] <Bbetto> i need a program to convert wmv to mpeg
[05:49] <fritsch> 4.) after your kernel compile is finished
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch done
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg --append-to-version "--eeos1" modules_image (within you kernel tree)
[05:49] <ubuntu_> Bbetto:  try winavi video convertor
[05:49] <mulder> I guess I am going to reinstall Kubuntu...too much hassle getting things to work. What is the best kernel recommended folks?
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: this will produce kernel debs and fglrx debs
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch after compilation of new kernel has finished
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch ?
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: yes, i said so