[00:12] <ahoops_> Seony: 퍽.
[00:12] <Seony> 안녕하세요
[00:12] <ahoops_> 네 안녕하세요.
[00:23] <ahoops_> Seony: 패러럴즈에서 윈도키들 문제없이 사용하시나요?
[00:23] <ahoops_> 윈도우 단축키들요.
[00:52] <Seony> ahoops_: 네.  기본적인 키들은 괜찮던데요
[00:53] <ahoops_> ctrl+shift+arrow 이런조합도 잘먹나요?
[01:07] <Lim_> dd
[07:20] <PinkButter> Hola
[12:50] <Markers> dkssudgktpdy
[12:50] <Markers> 안녕하세요
[13:04] <ujuc> 안녕하세요^^
[14:46] <DarkCircle> 오늘도 조용
[14:46] <DarkCircle> ....
[14:46] <DarkCircle> 여긴 출근도장 찍고 땡 하는 동네로 변질 -.-;
[14:47] <ujuc> 그런건가요..
[14:47] <ujuc> 가끔 그래도 이야기를 하시는 것같던데..;;
[14:48] <DarkCircle> 대부분은 흠 ...
[14:48] <DarkCircle> 6시 이전에 좀 많이 들어와요
[14:48] <DarkCircle> 그리고 퇘근 지나면 다들 도망 =3=3
[15:02] <ujuc> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 퇴근이간이니..ㅋㅋㅋ
[17:15] <Markers> 안녕하세요 살아 계시는분 계신가요~~?
[18:27] <Cantide> hi Work^Seony
[18:27] <Work^Seony> Cantide, Hi
[18:27] <Cantide> 안녕하세요~
[18:27] <Work^Seony> can you speak korean?
[18:28] <Cantide> 아니야 -.-
[18:28] <Cantide> we spoke about a week ago
[18:28] <Cantide> I'm South African :p
[18:28] <Work^Seony> ok you can't. that's fine
[18:28] <Cantide> you're in Hawaii
[18:28] <Cantide> see, i remember :p
[18:28] <Work^Seony> oh, yes i remember you.
[18:28] <Cantide> '-'/
[18:28] <Work^Seony> how have you been?
[18:29] <Cantide> i'm okay
[18:29] <Cantide> had a lot of trouble with a Korean girl :/
[18:29] <Cantide> but other than that, fine :)
[18:29] <Work^Seony> haha why?
[18:29] <Work^Seony>  what happened?
[18:30] <Cantide> long story :)
[18:30] <Cantide> anyway, she is too insecure -.-
[18:30] <Cantide> and keeps doubting me
[18:30] <Cantide> so yeah -.-
[18:30] <Cantide> annnnnyway
[18:30] <Work^Seony> ok i hope you're ok with her now.
[18:30] <Cantide> i will see her in Busan soon
[18:30] <Cantide> kinda
[18:30] <Cantide> hopefully when i am back there it will be better :)
[23:40] <samahui> 안녕하세요. 오늘도 좋은 하루 되세요~~~


[00:00]  * awen- votes for early death of display-config
[00:00] <awen-> ScottK-uds: btw... did you have time for a quick look at the changelog i linked to?
[00:07]  * awen- had a very wobbly internet connection tonight, so might have missed it
[00:08] <ScottK-uds> That was annoying.  Did I miss anything?
[00:08] <awen-> ScottK-uds: http://awen.dk/packages/changelog
[00:08] <awen-> ScottK-uds: how much more than the kubuntu_32_* patch is SRU material?
[00:09] <awen-> ScottK-uds: full debdiff is here if you need it http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[00:10] <ScottK-uds> awen-: I think the new hardware might go.  Why did you rename i810 to intel?  Aren't those two different things?
[00:10] <ScottK-uds> Go = Go into an SRU
[00:10] <ScottK-uds> Also don't forget the target is intrepid, not hardy.
[00:11] <awen-> ScottK-uds: from the man-pages intel looks to support the same cards as i810 and some more
[00:12] <ScottK-uds> awen-: It does and it's the newer driver, but we still have i810.  Also for now, i810 supports Xinerama, so you have some hope of multiple screens with it.  With Intel you are doomed.
[00:13] <ScottK-uds> Also we parse the list of installed drivers anyway now, so I don't think it needs updating.
[00:13]  * ScottK-uds is running on Intel right now.
[00:13] <awen-> ScottK-uds: ahh ... good point
[00:14] <awen-> ScottK-uds: so both the added pci-id and the kubuntu_32 patch should be possible for an SRU?
[00:14]  * seele pokes mhb
[00:14] <ScottK-uds> I would think.  I'd ask Riddell though.  I'm still new enough at core stuff that I'm not comfortable with deciding.
[00:14] <seele> shouldnt you be sleeping?  you have an exam tomorrow
[00:16] <awen-> ScottK-uds: okay ... i'll have a new *ubuntu18 for intrepid ready for you sometime tomorrow; and i'll give an SRU package a go, and adapt it to Riddell's wishes
[00:17] <ScottK-uds> OK.
[00:17]  * ScottK-uds better get his port of all the patches to Debian done soon or it'll never be done as patches pile up.
[00:18] <awen-> ScottK-uds: did we ever get all the patches into the svn?
[00:19] <ScottK-uds> No.  I've been working on it.  They're rules file is substantially different than ours and they have a couple of patches that we don't that make it all a bit tricky to sort out.
[00:20] <awen-> ScottK-uds: ahh ... i see
[00:21] <awen-> ScottK-uds: got a list with description for all our patches ... and what could be dropped, if you need it some time
[00:21] <ScottK-uds> OK.  If there are patches we don't need (and I shouldn't push to Debian) please let me know (mail me the list).
[00:22] <awen-> ScottK-uds: here http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/commit-notes.txt
[00:27] <awen-> ScottK-uds: you've got it as a mail, too
[00:28] <ScottK-uds> OK.  Thanks.
[00:31] <awen-> ScottK-uds: and a new debdiff is ready http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[00:31] <ScottK-uds> awen-: It's a bit late now.  I'll try and look at it tomorrow, but no promises.
[00:32] <awen-> ScottK-uds: no problem ... please concentrate on the UDS while there :)
[00:38] <daskReech> Beta 1 :)
[00:45] <awen-> goodnight people
[02:19] <jjesse> evening :)
[02:19] <Jucato> morning ;)
[02:20] <jjesse> how's it going Jucato?
[02:20] <Jucato> doing great :)
[02:20] <Jucato> how about you? :)
[02:20] <nixternal> shh, I am trying to sleep here :p
[02:21] <jjesse> help i'm being forced to watch american idol
[02:21] <Jucato> lol
[02:21] <nixternal> haha
[02:21] <Jucato> torture!!
[02:21] <nixternal> I am watching "Dancing with the stars"
[02:21] <jjesse> wife loves it
[02:21] <jjesse> gagh
[02:21] <Jucato> (well at least it wasn't [Bulgarian] Music Idol"
[02:21] <jjesse> would raher watch idol
[02:22] <Jucato> I saw this dancing competition for kids..
[02:22] <nixternal> I can't stand the judges on idol
[02:22] <Jucato> that's disturbing :)
[02:22] <nixternal> heh
[02:23] <Jucato> so you're using Dancing with the stars to help you sleep? fascinating
[02:23] <nixternal> hehe, I am building KDE 4 trunk/
[02:23] <Jucato> oh even more fascinating!
[02:23] <nixternal> changing my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE
[02:24] <Jucato> Headlines: Building KDE 4 trunk induces sleep
[02:24] <Jucato> hahahaha!
[02:24] <Jucato> now *that* is disturbing :D
[02:24] <nixternal> what is
[02:24] <Jucato>  <nixternal> changing my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE
[02:24] <nixternal> why is that?
[02:24] <Jucato> :P
[02:24] <Jucato> j/k of course :)
[02:25] <nixternal> after talking to zonker from Novell, I am going to start working on openSUSE
[02:25] <Jucato> I was running Fedora 9 on my laptop actually
[02:25] <Jucato> so that makes 3?
[02:25] <nixternal> I would like a job in open source and that seems the most likely route
[02:25] <Jucato> (Kubby, Foreeye and openSUE?)
[02:25] <nixternal> nope, just going to be working on openSUSE now
[02:26] <Jucato> oh...
[02:26] <nixternal> if you believe that, I own the entire outback in Australia if you would like to purchase it
[02:26] <nixternal> booyah! I had you going didn't I
[02:26] <Jucato> not really :)
[02:26] <nixternal> liar!
[02:26] <Jucato> (but I wouldn't be surprised if you started working on openSUSE too)
[02:26] <nixternal> I might have a job in open source already :)
[02:27] <Jucato> but the  "just going to be working on openSUSE " gave you away
[02:27] <nixternal> actually, I will start playing with it more as I am going to have to build some .spec files
[02:27]  * Jucato thinks openSUSE is really our stiffest KDE competition...
[02:28] <nixternal> either will be: a) Linux Packaging and Development Engineer, b) Open Source Manager, or c) both A and B
[02:28] <Jucato> Fedora has a looooong way to go, and imho their decision to have KDE 4 only did more damage than good
[02:28] <nixternal> and when I interviewed yesterday, I met all of the developers, and all but a few are using Ubuntu
[02:29] <Jucato> oh...
[02:29] <Jucato> I choose option c)
[02:29] <nixternal> hehe
[02:29] <Jucato> (for you)
[02:29] <Jucato> you're obviously great at both.. at the same time
[02:29] <Jucato> :D
[02:29] <nixternal> well it is a startup, so if they do offer a job, it will probably be c)
[02:29] <jjesse> yay for you
[02:30] <nixternal> I hope...had my fingers crossed now since yesterday :)
[02:30] <jjesse> congrats if it works out nixternal
[02:30] <nixternal> thank you sir
[02:30] <jjesse> might get cramped?
[02:30] <nixternal> already cramping up
[02:30] <nixternal> hehe
[02:30] <Jucato> I bet you'll get it :)
[02:31] <nixternal> well, I have 2 friends that work there that got the ball rolling...so I feel somewhat positive :)
[02:31] <nixternal> the one thing they would want me to do though is get Mark to sync Ubuntu releases with our products :p
[02:31] <nixternal> s/our/their - talking like I work there already :)
[02:32] <Jucato> lol
[02:34] <yuriy> nixternal: hah! i knew all you chicagoans were SUSE people when i saw this! http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/imgp2708a.jpeg
[02:34] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:34] <nixternal> did you go to Lincoln Park Zoo?
[02:34] <yuriy> nixternal: no, aquarium
[02:34] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot they have lizards and stuff now
[02:37]  * jjesse is downloading opensuse right now
[02:37] <yuriy> it must be contageous
[02:37] <Jucato> I'm waiting for openSUSE 11
[02:37] <nixternal> hehe
[02:37] <Jucato> speaking of suse.. anyone has a 6.9 lying around? :)
[02:37] <nixternal> you guys want to know the best KDE distro out there right now hands down?
[02:37] <jjesse> lol no
[02:38] <jjesse> i'm having problems with SLED rigth now and my wireless card
[02:38] <jjesse> what is the best kdE distro?
[02:38] <nixternal> Kubuntu silly!
[02:38] <Jucato> hm.. openSUSE
[02:38] <Jucato> :D
[02:38] <nixternal> haha
[02:38] <nixternal> gotcha!
[02:38] <jjesse> debian?
[02:38] <jjesse> slackware?
[02:39] <Jucato> Debian's not a KDE distro!!!
[02:39] <jjesse> mandrake?
[02:39] <Jucato> :D
[02:39] <nixternal> is slackware?
[02:39] <nixternal> mandrake? ok mr. oldypants
[02:39] <jjesse> grin
[02:39] <nixternal> hehe
[02:39] <jjesse> i have my slackware 9 cds someplace
[02:39] <Jucato> gentoo!!!
[02:39] <nixternal> lol
[02:39] <nixternal> I have Slackware 6 CDs still
[02:39] <nixternal> I actually used them to make a CD lamp
[02:40] <nixternal> man, I wish this guy would reply to my email about a bike he is selling
[02:40] <Jucato> mountain bike or motor bike?
[02:40] <nixternal> road bike
[02:40] <nixternal> bicycle
[02:41] <Jucato> :D
[02:41] <Jucato> with training wheels? :D
[02:41] <nixternal> I am looking to see if I would be interested in riding a bicycle and if I would..so I have been scouring craigslist for a super cheap road bike
[02:41] <jjesse> nope a tricyle
[02:42] <nixternal> heh, my fat arse would get stuck in a tricycle
[02:42] <jjesse> paula abdul is such a train wreck
[02:42] <jjesse> "you are standing in your truth"
[02:42] <jjesse> what the heck does that mean
[02:42] <nixternal> everyone on idol is a train wreck
[02:43] <jjesse> i just got a mental of picture of nixternal on a hot wheel
[02:44] <jjesse> kde4 is only what fedora provides?
[02:46] <Jucato> jjesse: yes
[02:46] <jjesse> that's interesting
[02:46] <Jucato> but setup so that some kde3 apps can be installed
[02:46] <Jucato> but still... it's 4 point oh for crying out loud!
[02:46] <jjesse> tell me how you really feel
[02:47] <Jucato> hm?
[02:48] <jjesse> that was sarcasm in regards to how you really feel in regards to what fedora is doing
[02:48] <Jucato> ha hehehe
[02:48] <Jucato> sorry multitasking in #kde :P
[02:51] <jjesse> not allowed to multitask :)
[02:52] <Jucato> heheh
[02:53] <jjesse> wow there are a lof bugs in "ubuntu" that reference Kubuntu which are way way old
[02:56] <jjesse> hrm some packages i don't ever know
[02:58] <jjesse> hrm bug related question: there is a bug that talks about a translation problem, that should be closed as not a vaild bug correct?
[02:58] <jjesse> point them to the team that does translation?
[03:00] <nixternal> me on a hotwheel? now that is just wrong!
[03:01] <nixternal> jjesse: I will actually subscribe the translation people and change the bug to one of the translation packages
[03:01] <nixternal> if it is a valid bug of course
[03:01] <jjesse> its a translation item since pre-dapper
[03:02] <nixternal> I love those
[03:02] <jjesse> pre dapper bugs?
[03:02] <jjesse> they are the best
[03:03] <nixternal> ...a guy in the UK arrested for having more than 16,000 child porn photos is using the unique defense that it's all Google's fault for making it so easy to access the photos.
[03:03] <nixternal> that's it! I am blaming google for everything from now on
[03:03] <jjesse> lol
[03:03] <jjesse> thats disgusting btw
[03:03] <nixternal> oh, a bug in translations? that is Google's fault
[03:04] <nixternal> jjesse: you need to subscribe to Techdirts RSS feeds..they have the best news articles of any tech site I have seen to date
[03:04] <nixternal> and their editors are very good at journalism and writing
[03:04] <jjesse> intersting will have to check them out
[03:05] <jjesse> techdirt.com?
[03:05] <nixternal> yes
[03:05] <nixternal> Senator Joe Lieberman, who heads the Senate Committee on Homeland Security is upset with Google for letting terrorists post videos on YouTube.
[03:05] <nixternal> isn't he the guy that said he would fight for people's freedoms?
[03:05] <jjesse> don't remember
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> oh lawd, "if anyone can use youtube, then the terrorists win!"
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> series of tubes! series of tubes! series of tubes!
[03:07] <nixternal> lol
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> breaking news: new youtube captcha implemented!  via your microphone. If you have a terrorist-ish accent (hint, arabic) then you fail the captcha
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> Seriously, what do they think they can do about it? Tell youtube to add a clause to their tos forbiding terrorists to use youtube?
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> Because bloodthirsty killers have a real nice track record of following the rules
[03:10] <nixternal> lol, so true..and nothing like members of the US government promoting sensorship once again
[03:10] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: its the same thing about making people register handguns and other weeapons
[03:10] <nixternal> yup yup yup
[03:10] <jjesse> like the people who commit murder register all their guns
[03:10] <jjesse> or who commit other crimes
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> Heh, it's not like a serial killer worries about registering their guns or following the law in general
[03:11] <jjesse> exactly
[03:11] <jjesse> i felt a little silly taking my handguns to the sherrifs office to register them
[03:13] <nixternal> they will have to rip my guns from my cold dead hands to register them anymore than they already are
[03:13] <nixternal> Illinois said I have to register my legally purchases firearms again...I told them to pack sand
[03:14] <yuriy> i think having to register guns is useful
[03:14] <yuriy> if nothing else, as a deterrent to buying a gun at all
[03:14] <jjesse> hrmm maybe we need to move to kubuntu-devel-offtopic to continue
[03:15] <yuriy> we have that?
[03:15] <yuriy> nope
[03:15] <yuriy> think you mean #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <nixternal> we need to purchase more guns!
[03:15] <nixternal> if we don't, the gangbangers do, leaving us defenseless
[03:16] <yuriy> or they just take yours, which most people don't know how to wield anyway
[03:16] <nixternal> if they take mine, then they can have it...but taking it would be a bit difficult
[03:17] <nixternal> I have some locked in a safe that I cannot open for the life of me
[03:17] <jjesse> that sucks
[03:20] <jjesse> hrm there is a lot of ubiquity related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at
[03:20] <jjesse> they are all old
[03:21] <nixternal> I should take a look at those
[03:21] <yuriy> there are a lot of * related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at :(
[03:21] <jjesse> grin i'm looking at some of them tonight
[03:23] <nixternal> look at all of them tonight while you are at it :)
[03:23] <jjesse> nixternal: nice try buddy its time for bed
[03:23] <nixternal> bed is for the weak :p
[03:23] <nixternal> not even 22:30 there
[03:23] <jjesse> guess i'm weak then
[03:23] <nixternal> haha
[03:25] <jjesse> night talk to you all later
[03:25] <nixternal> g'nite
[03:27] <Jucato> night night jjesse
[05:15] <DaskreecH> Anyone recall when they redid the LPI Syllabus?
[05:15] <nixternal> probably a long time agao
[05:15] <nixternal> ago
[05:16] <nixternal> if you are planning on taking it, brush up on RPMs
[05:17] <DaskreecH> They have a Debian section :)
[05:19] <nixternal> ya, but they also have a RPM section
[05:19] <DaskreecH> Mandatory?
[05:19] <nixternal> yup
[05:19] <DaskreecH> It has changed since I last took it
[05:20] <nixternal> if so, not much has changed
[05:20] <nixternal> o'reilly hasn't updated their LPIC in a Nutshell in a few years
[05:20] <nixternal> when that gets updated, then you know there have been some changes
[05:21] <DaskreecH> ...
[05:21] <DaskreecH> Well there was a point when the president left and they went under new management
[05:22] <nixternal> everything has pretty stayed the same..when the ubuntu certification stuff was being created, they had the staff syllabus which was like 4 years old
[05:22] <nixternal> staff? wth did that come from
[05:22] <DaskreecH> who relooked at the syllabus cause it had some silly stuff like the newest kernel was 2.4 and  XFree86 3
[05:23] <nixternal> hrmm, dunno
[05:23] <DaskreecH> Well not really the newest was Xfree86 3. I remember they had Xfree86 4 stuff on the exam but even Redhat was shipping with Xorg by then
[05:23] <nixternal> they still have xfree86 stuff on there
[05:24] <nixternal> I need to finish LPIC 2
[05:24] <DaskreecH> They redid they syllabus to be more pertinent (This was LPI 1  & 2) then they went on to define LPI 3 which was always on the papers but had never been actually defined
[05:24] <DaskreecH> Which is where Ubuntu certs came in
[05:27] <nixternal> 2006 was the last edition according to their website
[05:27] <DaskreecH> LPI ?
[05:27] <DaskreecH> Yeah that's about right
[05:27] <DaskreecH>  the Ubuntu certs were first handed out like feb 2007
[05:27] <DaskreecH> so like Nov 2006 is about right
[05:28] <DaskreecH> 'm not seeing updated books after that
[05:29] <DaskreecH> Hmm
[05:29] <DaskreecH> http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers
[05:29] <DaskreecH> ^_^
[05:33] <DaskreecH> nixternal: which page did you see that?
[05:36] <flaccid> there are ubuntu certifications
[05:36] <flaccid> ?
[05:36] <DaskreecH> :-)
[05:36] <DaskreecH> First one was "won" in south africa
[05:37] <flaccid> is there ubuntu certifcation as engineers etc. ?
[05:37] <flaccid> like a ccna
[05:38] <DaskreecH> Like I can engineer an Ubuntu for you?
[05:38] <flaccid> a certification for ubuntu like redhat
[05:39] <DaskreecH> Yeah essentially
[05:39] <DaskreecH> except not made by Ubuntu
[05:39] <flaccid> no official ones basically?
[05:39] <DaskreecH> No no It's official
[05:39] <DaskreecH> just not run by canonical
[05:42] <flaccid> ah ok so what is it called, have you got a URI?
[05:43] <DaskreecH> go to LPI.org
[05:43] <DaskreecH>  they pimp it all over the site
[05:43] <DaskreecH>  for some reason
[05:43] <flaccid> ah its with lpi
[05:43] <flaccid> thanks DaskreecH
[05:44] <flaccid> right so http://lpi.org/eng/certification/ubuntu_certified_professional . except doesn't say if its in australia
[05:47] <DaskreecH> Well if you can do LPI in australia then it's in australia
[05:48] <flaccid> DaskreecH: http://lpi.org/eng/global_partners/local_lpi_organizations closest appears to be china!
[05:49] <flaccid> australia is ripped off heh :)
[05:49] <DaskreecH> ;-)
[05:50] <flaccid> i aint getting redhat..maybe there is something debian here in oz
[05:55] <flaccid> linux.conf.au did em in 2005 but i can't seen anything on their current site
[06:01] <DaskreecH> Exams?
[06:02] <DaskreecH> Bah most of the LPI books suck
[06:02] <flaccid> hmm it linked me through to linux.org.au before hmm
[06:03] <flaccid> can you see exams section on those sites at all?
[06:05]  * DaskreecH shrugs
[06:05] <DaskreecH>  No idea what you are talking about
[06:05] <nixternal> kde4 trunk is umf umf umf beautiful and fun
[06:07] <flaccid> lpi exams in australia with linux.conf.au or linux.org.au ..
[06:07] <DaskreecH> Beat 1 is next week rigth ?
[06:08] <DaskreecH> If you want to you can make contact with LPI directly
[06:08] <flaccid> sorry i don't know what beat1 is
[06:08] <DaskreecH> If you have 6 or 7 guys sitting with you they will work out exam stuff
[06:08] <DaskreecH> Beta 1
[06:08] <flaccid> sitting?
[06:09] <flaccid> ok
[06:09] <DaskreecH> flaccid: It's the newplugin for Amarok - traKmasta
[06:09] <flaccid> ah ok, im way behind...
[06:10] <flaccid> i just installed amarok-nightly from repos and can't start it: /opt/amarok-nightly/bin/amarok: error while loading shared libraries: libQtWebKit.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:11] <DaskreecH> Hmm starts for me
[06:12] <DaskreecH> Still can't get sound FROM KDE though I can get Sound IN it
[06:12] <flaccid> hmm need libqtwebkit-dev and libqt4-dev it seems
[06:13] <DaskreecH> For sound?
[06:13] <DaskreecH> oh to get amarok working
[06:14] <flaccid> ok it loaded with installing libqt4-dev
[06:20] <DaskreecH> ~What packages do I need for Phonon?
[06:20] <DaskreecH> or a better question Do i need to install Phonon to see my sound hardware?
[06:23] <flaccid> brb
[06:31] <DaskreecH> rb
[06:36] <flaccid> ta i think
[07:36] <DaskreecH> nixternal: There is AsterisKnow
[08:20] <yao_ziyua1> does anyone notice that kdesu <command> will use a default kde style that differs from yours? how do i change this system default kde style?
[08:22] <larsivi> hi - after "downgrading" from kde4 yesterday, it wasn't detected that the default login thingy was removed, and now kdm refuse to start - which file do I need to edit for that?
[08:23] <yao_ziyua1> i see how now. kdesu systemsettings
[09:27] <Riddell> nixternal: is your nixternal@ShakaDoobie key on ktown still ok?
[10:25] <seele> brr.. 10 and raining today
[10:25] <seele> lovely
[10:26] <Riddell> morning seele
[10:27] <Nightrose> heya
[10:28] <seele> hallo
[10:29] <seele> these grey days dont make it easy to get out of bed
[10:29] <seele> but at least i'm keeping a few hours to my own time zone
[10:39] <ScottK-uds> Welcome wolfger
[10:39] <wolfger> good morning!
[10:39]  * Riddell high fives wolfger
[10:39] <wolfger> lol. OK, why am I suddenly popular?
[10:40] <Riddell> your name just happened to come up at this UDS session when we were discussing motu who are into kde but not on #kubuntu-devel
[10:40] <Riddell> wolfger: you do bug work?
[10:40] <wolfger> mostly I triage bugs, yes.
[10:41] <Riddell> do you know of yuriy and his kubuntu bug days?
[10:41] <wolfger> I've heard the name, but was not aware that there were regularly scheduled Kubuntu bug days
[10:42] <ScottK-uds> yuriy meet wolfger.  wolfger meet yuriy.  You're both interested in Kubuntu bug triage.
[10:42] <wolfger> Hi, yuriy
[10:44] <ScottK-uds> wolfger: It's not yet 0600 where yuriy is, so don't expect a quick response.
[10:45] <wolfger> it's 0545 here. If he's in my time zone, that would be awesome.
[10:45] <ScottK-uds> Ah.
[10:45] <ScottK-uds> You're up early then.  Where are you located?
[10:45] <wolfger> speaking of which, I need to leave for work soon...
[10:45] <wolfger> I'm in Michigan, USA
[10:45] <seele> yay another american!
[10:45] <ScottK-uds> Ah.  I live outside Baltimore, MD.
[10:45] <\sh> we are all americans in some ways ,-)
[10:45] <wolfger> home of Penguicon, where Jono meets The Tron Guy XD
[10:46] <ScottK-uds> wolfger: You should definitely hang out here so we can coordinate better.
[10:46] <wolfger> I'll make a habit of it
[10:46] <ScottK-uds> Great.
[10:47] <wolfger> I'll drop back in this afternoon/evening to ping yuriy again
[10:47] <\sh> Riddell, will you visit LT this year? or is it too stressfull after UDS?
[10:47] <wolfger> thanks for dragging me in, guys
[11:14] <Riddell> \sh: no, I'll be back off the continent
[11:38] <\sh> Riddell, sad...hopefully we see you back in bad old germany during FrOScon? :)
[11:40] <Riddell> too many conferences..
[11:40] <Riddell> I hear Akademy is next door to Germany
[11:49] <\sh> Riddell, where exactly? belgium, austria, swiss area, france, netherlands?
[11:49] <Riddell> belgium
[11:51] <\sh> Riddell, great...I just see the timeschedule for akademy...you can extend your stay and join froscon on 23+24th of august  ;)
[11:51] <sebas> \sh: Will you be at Akademy?
[11:51] <seele> omg sebas is alive in kubuntu-devel?
[11:51]  * seele faints.
[11:51] <\sh> sebas, mostly, not
[11:52] <\sh> sebas, I'm not really involved in kde things ;)
[11:52] <sebas> seele: yeah, sure I am.
[11:52] <sebas> I'm actually often following what's going on here
[11:52] <sebas> \sh: Not *yet* you mean
[11:52] <seele> oh, i'll keep that in mind next time i talk about you :)
[11:52] <sebas> It's like a party where you ask your sister to bring all her friends
[11:52] <seele> only if your sister has hot friends
[11:53] <sebas> seele: Ow, nevermind ;-)
[11:53] <sebas> Right.
[11:53] <\sh> sebas, argh...I'm starting again to look into kde python stuff...so I'll put it on my holiday list...eventually :)
[11:53] <sebas> \sh: See, belgium has good beer and is close
[11:53] <sebas> seele: If you come to akademy don't forget to bring your hot friends eh
[11:54] <seele> sebas: i only have hot boy friends.  i dont know any girls
[11:54] <sebas> (/me tries and will see if that works)
[11:54] <\sh> sebas, i have future-relatives in belgium (wife's sister ;)) somewhere near eiffel  area :)
[11:54] <sebas> seele: Well, we're certainly open for anything experimental
[11:54] <seele> lol
[11:54] <\sh> bah...sebas went too often to cologne ;)
[11:54] <sebas> \sh: Good, bring your hot family! :)
[11:54] <\sh> sebas, hmmm...they're black...but hot? dunno ;)
[11:55] <seele> \sh: i think we've extablished that hotness is the only thing that matters
[11:55]  * sebas nods
[11:56] <\sh> ok..I'll make them hot, and explain: they are soooo hot, that's why their skin is totally burned...yeah that goes
[11:56] <\sh> sebas, familiy is hot...trying to come :)
[11:56] <sebas> Good good
[11:56] <\sh> I'm still waiting for my new motu shirt for LT:..."MOTU since 2005" as front print, and as back "Sexiest MOTU alive" ;9
[11:57] <sebas> Way ... there'll be like 3 people that understand it, and one finds it funny
[11:57] <sebas> (that one is you yourself then :P)
[11:57] <sebas> Enough offending for now, I'll send boring emails now.
[11:58] <\sh> ohyes...boring todos...installing hardy on dual quad cores...:( bbl
[12:01] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil
[12:02] <Riddell> more a collection of notes than a spec
[12:02] <sebas> Wow, the fonts are .... funny
[12:03] <seele> sebas: on the webpage?
[12:03] <sebas> Yes, I'm seeing archaic non-AA here
[12:03] <sebas> Looks like the 80s
[12:03] <sebas> (or the 90s on Linux :P)
[12:04] <Riddell> doesn't windows still use non-AA?
[12:06] <seele> yay lunchtime
[12:07] <seele> Riddell: ScottK: lunch?
[12:10] <Riddell> seele: lets
[12:11] <sebas> Riddell: That doesn't mean we can do better :)
[12:11] <seele> Riddell: ok.. i have to get my badge, i forgot it this morning
[12:12] <seele> brt
[12:12] <sebas> seele: You're in Europe?
[12:12] <seele> sebas: yup, prague with Riddell and ScottK
[12:13] <sebas> Are you going to be in Berlin next week?
[12:13] <seele> sebas: no, i can't take that much time off of work at once unfortunately :(
[12:13] <sebas> Bummer :/
[12:13] <seele> it's going to be hard enough with the 3-4 weeks i'm trying to take this summer
[12:14] <sebas> I would have loved to meet your hot boy friends ;)
[12:14] <seele> lol, i'd only bring one with me :P
[12:14] <seele> ok.. off to lunch
[12:14] <sebas> Same as last time? :-)
[12:14] <sebas> hf
[13:04] <seele> sebas: yes, same as last time
[13:14] <sebas> seele: Good girl
[13:14] <__sourcemaker> how can I install a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)... is there a kernel problem?
[13:14]  * sebas leaves the CodeYard office now
[13:15] <__sourcemaker> problem solved.... I will install windows XP for this system...
[13:16] <Hobbsee> __sourcemaker: firstly, #kubuntu is the source channel
[13:17] <Hobbsee> er, support channel
[13:18] <Hobbsee> __sourcemaker: and i'd say, offhand, that you'd have to use ndiswrapper for it, because it doesn't have open drivers.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> so, who's the new council?
[13:29] <seele> i dont think it was decided yet
[13:31] <Hobbsee> aww
[13:32] <\sh> I thought we agreed to approve only dictator positions for every team? ;)
[13:34] <Hobbsee> dictator positions?
[13:34] <Hobbsee> that might be fun
[13:34] <Hobbsee> "YOU WILL FIX ALL BUGS.  BY FRIDAY!"
[13:35] <\sh> hehe
[13:36] <Hobbsee> else, you will get a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[13:36] <Hobbsee> used on you.
[13:37] <\sh> na that's too extreme...what about "if you don't make it, you have to write 1000 times: Kubuntu will not rule da world if I don't fix all bugs now"
[13:43] <ScottK-uds> Do it or else Hobbsee will yell at you does seem to have a history of being effective (also don't do it or else ... seems to work).
[13:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK-uds: yes, the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ really does seem to work.
[13:44]  * \sh is not afraid...but I was always some kind of pain lover =:*>
[13:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: depends where it goes.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> it has a pointy end, and a *very* pointy end.
[13:47] <\sh> Hobbsee, you should talk to my GF
[13:48] <\sh> Hobbsee, but you are allowed to go to vmware labs and hit the people who were invtenting vmware infrastructure client to not be linux compatible
[13:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:48] <Hobbsee> got a ticket?  :)
[13:48] <Hobbsee> and a map?
[13:49] <\sh> Hobbsee, follow the smell of burned brain fragments ;-)
[13:50] <Hobbsee> \sh: but i've always been terrible at directions!
[13:50]  * Nightrose hands Hobbsee marble with open streetmap support
[13:50] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:51] <\sh> Nightrose, sweetheart, I just looked at some pictures of UDS, and you were sitting there without a laptop?
[13:51] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: ahhh, now tha tmight be interesting
[13:52] <nosrednaekim> the ICecast thing isn't working with  amarok
[13:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim, it works
[13:52] <Nightrose> \sh: ;-) yea I really couldn't take my laptop down with me to the conference
[13:52] <Nightrose> it is the horror
[13:52] <Nightrose> but I was one of 2 without a laptop there
[13:52] <Nightrose> the other one was Mark :P
[13:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim, just copy the url of the m3u playlist and File -> "Play media" and enter the url
[13:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim, -> works
[13:53] <\sh> Nightrose, yes...I saw the picture as well...
[13:53] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: it is - very
[13:53] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:53] <\sh> Nightrose, but you were participating, while mark was sitting not directly at the table ;)
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> \sh: no suitable input plugin OR network problems
[13:53] <Nightrose> hehe yea and he was leaving the room every now and then
[13:54] <Nightrose> only attending about 20 mins of every session
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> radio streams work well BTW...
[13:54] <Nightrose> I hope the EEEPC thing works out
[13:54] <Nightrose> that would be soooo cool
[13:54] <Nightrose> but right now it looks like asus is taking its time
[13:55] <\sh> nosrednaekim, then the icecast stream is not working :)
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> fun........
[13:56] <\sh> nosrednaekim, #canonical-sysadmin and ask for fixing
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> ah... sessions haven't started yet so they aren't up yet :)
[14:34] <mhb> hi hi hi!
[14:34] <mhb> how did the council talk go? or is it yet to come?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> it's gone
[14:35] <seele> it happened.. but there werent any decisions afaik
[14:36] <seele> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil
[14:36] <mhb> hi seele
[14:36] <mhb> I got disconnect, you were saying?
[14:36] <mhb> disconnected
[14:36] <jeroen-> should I use https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas to add new ideas or is there a special page for Intrepid wishes?
[14:36] <seele> 09:35 < seele> it happened.. but there werent any decisions afaik
[14:36] <seele> 09:36 < seele> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil
[14:36] <seele> mhb: that's all i said
[14:37] <seele> mhb: did you have your last exam?  did it go well?
[14:37] <mhb> what?
[14:37] <mhb> all those guys, but not me?
[14:37] <mhb> what did I do?
[14:37] <mhb> :-)
[14:37] <seele> lol
[14:37] <seele> yell at riddell
[14:37] <mhb> (just kidding, just in case you do not get it)
[14:37] <seele> there wasn't a vote.. if you want to run maybe he will put your name on there
[14:38]  * \sh votes for ScottK ...
[14:38] <seele> \sh: there are three slots i think
[14:38] <mhb> no, because I am totally angry now
[14:38] <seele> lol
[14:38] <seele> i dont even know how people gt on the council.  do the team members vote at a meeting?
[14:38] <mhb> usually
[14:39] <\sh> seele, hopefully we have a vote via LP
[14:39] <mhb> Riddell: soo... why wasn't I named again?
[14:40] <seele> no love
[14:40] <mhb> Riddell: I knew you didn't like me :o)
[14:40] <seele> mhb: i'll vote for you!
[14:40]  * Hobbsee edits the page.
[14:40] <mhb> Riddell: what was it? was it the hair? I hope not the hair
[14:40] <\sh> mhb, council seats are overrated ;)
[14:41] <seele> mhb: you could sabotage him in the hotel pool and take his council spot and canonical job!
[14:41] <mhb> right, but when all it takes to go to an exam and suddenly, everyone forgets about you :o)
[14:41] <Hobbsee> there we are, fixed.
[14:41] <mhb> nah, I'm a nice guy
[14:41] <Hobbsee> council is overrated, yes :P
[14:41] <mhb> at least I see myself that way
[14:41] <mhb> or am I too boring?
[14:41] <mhb> :o)
[14:41] <Hobbsee> but still, it's interesting when it's not just memberships
[14:43] <jdavies> hmm
[14:43] <jjesse> mhb don't you have to attend meetigns to be considered for a council position?
[14:43]  * jdavies feeds Hobbsee http://luiscosio.com/ubuntu-lettuce instead of the wikipage
[14:43] <\sh> well, I'm really not the right person to go and apply of a council seat.../me does use kde and gnome and whatever works for a special task
[14:44] <Hobbsee> jdavies: hah.  nice.
[14:44] <mhb> \sh: also, your opinions are a bit extreme once in a while :o)
[14:44] <jdavies> Hobbsee: arg, I read s/edits/eats/ instead...
[14:45] <mhb> still, I wonder why you don't like me
[14:46] <mhb> Riddell: I'm not going to forget that for a long, long time :o)
[14:46] <\sh> mhb, regarding development decisions or memberships stuff?   ScottK isn't nearly as nice in person as people say
[14:51] <mhb> heh :o)
[14:52] <seele> mhb: ok.. there is a KDE session from 17-18 you can participate in
[14:52] <mhb> is there?
[14:52] <mhb> okay...
[14:52] <seele> Kubuntu File Sharing
[14:52] <mhb> hmm, should I change clothes or keep the formal ones?
[14:52] <seele> mhb: mmm.. i dunno if anyone dresses up so whatever you are comfortable with
[14:53] <mhb> seele: okay
[14:53] <mhb> seele: I'm on my way
[14:53] <mhb> see you
[14:53] <seele> yay
[14:55] <\sh> nobody is voting anybody because of being nice ,-)
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> that audio is hard to hear... from the Icecast
[15:01] <Nightrose> yea :(
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> anyone know if the VOIP is any better? I might go though the trouble of doing that is so
[15:07] <\sh> nosrednaekim, just tell them to speak louder...or open up the mic...last time it was possible
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> how do I tell them to do that? the IRC channel?
[15:12] <yuriy> morning wolfger
[15:12] <yuriy> yep, you're in my timezone
[15:12] <yuriy> glad someone dragged the latest top 5-a-dayer in here
[15:20] <awen_> hi yuriy ... yeah, you must be somewhat alone over there in your time-zone ;)
[15:24] <ScottK-uds> mhb: Are you around?
[15:28] <awen_> ScottK-uds: he left to join you at UDS half an hour ago ... per the irc log
[15:29] <ScottK-uds> OK.  Thanks.
[15:29] <ScottK-uds> Is there anyone here who knows how to find the Czech loco team on Launchpad?
[15:33] <Nightrose> ScottK-uds: there doesn't seem to be one besides https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-cs
[15:33] <ScottK-uds> Nightrose: Thanks.
[15:36] <yuriy> awen_: only alone among KDE people
[15:37] <yuriy> seems only the germans can get their libraries right
[15:39] <awen_> that sentence looks to be pulled somewhat out of context, he
[15:39] <yuriy> heh
[15:40] <awen_> but finally things happen in a sensible time-zone (CET) :)
[15:41] <yuriy> you mean EDT isn't sensible? it's only arbitrarily shifted one hour!
[15:43] <awen_> nah ... but end up following it somewhat then doing kubuntu-stuff ;) ... and ends up getting to bed much to late!
[15:50] <Riddell> mhb: I can tell you exactly why, your name is written down in my notes but it's included in the list of people already on the council, for some reason I keep making that mistake :)
[16:08] <mhb_uds> seele: I made it
[16:08] <Nightrose> ScottK-uds: ^
[16:09] <seele> mhb_uds: yay!
[16:12] <ScottK-uds> mhb_uds: Great.  Can you come over to the server room for a minute?
[16:12] <ScottK-uds> Nightrose: Thanks
[16:12] <Nightrose> :) no prob
[16:20] <nixternal> Riddell: no, I sent you an email with the updated key for shakadoobie
[16:21] <nixternal> you can scrape it from https://launchpad.net/~nixternal if you need to
[16:30] <nixternal> hrmm
[16:30] <jjesse> yas?
[16:30] <nixternal> 10:25:53              <<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[]
[16:31] <nixternal> I don't even know which channel I quit
[16:31] <jjesse> grin
[16:37] <jjesse> nixternal: did you see due date for kde 4.1 documentation ?
[16:37] <mhb> ScottK-uds: server room? Sorry, must have missed that... what was it about?
[16:38] <jjesse> wow i love having a sustained transfer rate off a download of 1mb/s
[17:12] <bhm> seele: are we meeting in the lobby? nowish? or am I mistaken?
[18:23]  * vorian waves
[18:25]  * Nightrose waves back
[18:28] <jdavies> vorian: you "contributing developer" yet?
[18:29] <vorian> nope
[18:29] <vorian> i guess I sux0rz
[18:29] <vorian> :P
[18:30]  * jdavies pokes nixternal *psst*
[18:30]  * nixternal runs
[18:30] <vorian> or its nixternal's fault
[18:30] <nixternal> hehe
[18:30] <vorian> :D
[18:30] <nixternal> we need 1 more vote on ya vorian and I just emailed the MC members to give you that vote
[18:30] <jdavies> oh goodie
[18:30] <nixternal> vorian: just so you know, you already got it, just need that 1 official vote
[18:30] <vorian> excellent
[18:31] <vorian> I'm all ready to start messing stuff up next week!
[18:31] <nixternal> my eyes are crossed from looking through the membership queue
[18:31] <vorian> just think of the number of motu's you'll have at the end of this cycle
[18:32] <jdavies> 42?
[18:33] <vorian> nixternal: I suppose I need to planetize our membership meeting
[18:33] <vorian> jdavies: yup! :D
[18:33] <nixternal> ooh yes please do...I forgot to do that
[18:33] <vorian> I'm on it now
[18:33] <jdavies> vorian: it's the answer to everything! :D
[18:33] <nixternal> I am swamped right now putting together a doc marathon for KDE
[18:33] <vorian> eeek
[18:39] <nixternal> wow, now the Ubuntu Live website says it has been cancelled
[18:39] <jjesse> i saw that a post asking for more detail on planet.ubuntu.com i think
[18:40] <nixternal> people started getting the emails yesterday
[18:40]  * nixternal thinks it may be due to the fact people don't want to pay all of that money for it
[18:40] <jjesse> you mean not all confrences should be sponsored for you?
[18:41] <nixternal> well no, but they shouldn't cost $600
[18:41] <nixternal> PyCon didn't even cost that much
[18:41] <jjesse> thats cheap for some confrences
[18:41] <nixternal> hell, CES and NAB, the 2 largest conferences in the world don't even cost that much :)
[18:42] <jjesse> do  the techbase instructions for compiling kde still work the saem for 8.04?
[18:42] <jjesse> any changes i need to make?
[18:43] <nixternal> another problem I noticed with high priced conferences is that people will reply to a call for papers, get selected for their talk to get in free, only to give the worst presentation I have ever seen
[18:43] <nixternal> jjesse: yes, they work
[18:43] <nixternal> I have it down now...so I don't even have to look at techbase, except to grab the deps
[19:08] <nixternal> anyone else here with a kde4 trunk build?
[19:20] <jjesse> argh this is frustrating in suse 10.1 / open suse 10.1 i can't get my intell wireless card to work
[19:22] <nixternal> I couldn't get any card to work with openSUSE
[19:23] <jjesse> i'm actually using the paid version of suse
[19:23] <jjesse> sled 10.1
[19:24] <nixternal> hey, for Ohio Linux Fest, I am gonna give a talk, and I think I know what I will give it on
[19:24] <nixternal> my KDE 4 talk is wearing thin, so I am going to do my Kubuntu talks now
[19:24] <jjesse> when and where is ohio linux fest?
[19:24] <jjesse> next week i'm in columbus
[19:24] <nixternal> Kommunity: Standing on the shoulders of Jono BaKon
[19:24] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahaha
[19:25] <nixternal> jjesse: in October
[19:25] <jjesse> ah
[19:25] <nixternal> or OKtober
[19:25] <jjesse> wow Kubuntu 8.04 detects my video better, lets see if it detects my wireless card
[19:28]  * jussi01 sighs... does koffice not open msoffice files (ie. .ppt .doc etc?)
[19:50] <jdavies> nixternal: oKtober fest?
[19:51] <jjesse> gumble 8.04 doesn't detect my wireless card
[19:51] <jjesse> that sucks
[19:52] <nixternal> jjesse: what card do you have again?
[19:52] <jjesse> intel 3945ABG wireless
[19:52] <nixternal> hrmm
[19:52] <nixternal> I know it works, probably have to do something funky with it..not sure
[19:53] <jjesse> probablly
[19:53] <jjesse> i can't get it to work at all under SUSE
[19:54] <jjesse> maybe cause I haven't "activated" the computer
[19:57] <jjesse> i just wanted it to work out of the box
[19:57] <jjesse> time to google
[20:29] <Tm_T> FYI: I'm now engaged with my lady <3
[20:29] <nixternal> congrats!
[20:29] <Tm_T> danke sehr
[20:30] <jdavies> Tm_T: hertzlichen gluckwunsh!
[20:31] <Nightrose> wohoooooo Tm_T
[20:31] <Nightrose> congrats
[20:31] <Tm_T> indeed :))
[20:36] <nixternal> Jucato: I know you know some docbook....time to get working on kde 4.1 docs man! hurry! :) /j #kde-docs
[20:36] <nixternal> I almost said /j #kubuntu-docs
[20:36] <nixternal> or typed rather
[21:41] <wolfger> yuriy: hey. Same time zone, but evidently not same schedule... ;-)
[21:44] <yuriy> heh, yeah. 5:45.. geez
[21:52] <wolfger> I typically am at my desk 5-6 AM, then I go to work. Home around 4:30-5:30
[21:54] <yuriy> wolfger: anyways, so there were kubuntu hug days coinciding with ubuntu desktop hug days leading up to the Hardy release, but nothing recently
[21:54] <yuriy> what sort of bugs have you been working on?
[21:58] <wolfger> my favorite pass-time is cleaning up old bugs. Unassigned, incomplete for several months. Either mark invalid, or push them along.
[21:59] <wolfger> Something quick and easy to do in small spans of time. (well, usually they're quick and easy)
[21:59] <wolfger> Of course, I want to get more involved.
[22:00] <nixternal> how about making your favorite pass-time writing KDE 4.1 documentation? :)
[22:01] <wolfger> ugh. I really dislike writing docs. :-p
[22:01] <wolfger> which is probably why it needs doing... nobody likes it.
[22:01] <Nightrose> except for nixternal
[22:01] <nixternal> my recent blog post brought in 5 people working simultaneously on KDE 4.1 docs
[22:02] <nixternal> hehe
[22:02] <Nightrose> but he also likes vista...
[22:02] <Nightrose> :P
[22:02] <nixternal> ahhh, so Nightrose is in on the jokes now...OK, I will remember that one :)
[22:02] <yuriy> nixternal: wow, nice!
[22:02] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:02] <nixternal> Nightrose: so, did you make the e.V. or what?
[22:02] <nixternal> when are you going to recommend me? :)
[22:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: of course I did ;-)
[22:02] <Nightrose> as soon as you apply
[22:02] <nixternal> congrats chica!
[22:02] <Nightrose> thx :)
[22:03] <nixternal> you have to be recommended first I thought
[22:03] <Nightrose> well you have to write your application
[22:03] <nixternal> plus you are cooler than I :)
[22:03] <Nightrose> and someone has to recommend you with this application
[22:03] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:03] <Nightrose> am I?
[22:03] <nixternal> most definitely!
[22:03] <nixternal> you get to travel all over and hang out with the kool hacKers
[22:03] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:03] <Nightrose> let me get you a link about the eV stuff
[22:04] <Nightrose> hehe true - but you could do that as well
[22:05] <nixternal> ya, gotta get all of this money I owe the state taken care of first
[22:05] <Nightrose> nixternal: http://ev.kde.org/getinvolved/members.php
[22:05] <nixternal> groovy, I will look into it
[22:05] <Nightrose> :) great
[22:06] <Nightrose> nixternal: do we have a deal? I recommend you for KDE eV and you me for Kubuntu menbership? :P
[22:06] <Nightrose> *membership
[22:08] <Nightrose> hmmm just tried suse with gnome in virtual box for the install party in 2 days
[22:08] <Nightrose> I cannot with a good concious let people install this I think
[22:08]  * Nightrose burns more kubuntu cds
[22:09] <nixternal> Nightrose: you aren't a Kubuntu member yet?
[22:09] <nixternal> consider it done :)
[22:09] <Nightrose> nope
[22:09] <Nightrose> haha
[22:22] <apachelogger> uh
[22:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Oo
[22:22] <apachelogger> I actaully think suse gnome is a perfect desktop
[22:22] <nixternal> I think you are high on catnip again
[22:22] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:22]  * apachelogger checks the webcam
[22:22] <nixternal> haha
[22:23] <apachelogger> someone is spying on me
[22:23] <apachelogger> stupid windows
[22:24] <nixternal> haha
[22:24] <Nightrose> nixternal: i think you are right about the catnip thing
[22:24] <nixternal> woo, finally I am right about something
[22:25] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:27] <apachelogger> I think nixternal is totally underrated
[22:27] <apachelogger> he could lead kde into new ages if he wanted to
[22:28] <apachelogger> with pink oxygen themes and stuff
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> HEY! that was ME!
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> I'd be his artist..... for the teeny-boppers
[22:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:28] <nixternal> ya, that was Mikey! all his fault!
[22:28] <apachelogger> I didn't say he would do it
[22:28] <apachelogger> but defenitely lead
[22:29] <nixternal> man, I had done a apt-get upgrade, finished the upgrade, got to the place I was to give my KDE 4 presentation, booted up, and everyone saw that pink crap
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> he'd have to perform a coop on aaron
[22:29] <nixternal> talk about embarrassed
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> haha... you serious?
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> lawl
[22:29] <nixternal> dead serious....I blogged right there on the spot about it as a matter of fact
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> I'll have to add that to my file of funny results from that one...
[22:30] <Nightrose> rofl nixternal
[22:30] <Nightrose> priceless
[22:30] <apachelogger> hm
[22:31] <apachelogger> I want such a thing as well for our talk
[22:31] <apachelogger> something special
[22:31] <Nightrose> oh no!
[22:31] <apachelogger> uh
[22:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can we do the presentation in windows?
[22:31] <Nightrose> no way are we going fluffy bunny on stage
[22:31] <Nightrose> no no windows either
[22:31] <apachelogger> solaris?
[22:31] <apachelogger> KDE on solaris that is
[22:31] <Nightrose> maybe
[22:31] <apachelogger> and KDE on windows
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: one guy was doing a presentation in front of his college class.... same result :P
[22:32]  * Nightrose still has no clue what audience she is going to get tomorrow
[22:32] <Nightrose> will be interesting...
[22:32] <nixternal> as long as they aren't all naked, then who cares :)
[22:33] <apachelogger> right
[22:33] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:33] <apachelogger> usually I wouldn't want that
[22:33] <Nightrose> probably going to girls age 15 to 25
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: he was freakin mad until someone told him what day it was.
[22:33] <Nightrose> +be
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose: oh... want my kubuntu-default-settings?
[22:33] <Nightrose> *g*
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> pink... and fluffy bunny...
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> probably will still work...
[22:34]  * apachelogger notes that the problem with heterosexuals is that they can't deal with pink
[22:34] <Nightrose> i will aks them and send them your way if they are interested ;-)
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose: heha.... thanx :P
[22:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:34] <apachelogger> hm
[22:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: /me can deal with pink ;-)
[22:34] <apachelogger> that sounds like Nightrose is providing possible girl firnds Oo
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> tell them to send a picture of themselves and their name and address when they do request.
[22:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: men that is
[22:35] <apachelogger> well
[22:35] <apachelogger> there nosrednaekim goes
[22:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: girl friends? for whom?
[22:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: me?
[22:35] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim?
[22:35] <Nightrose> hmmmmm
[22:36] <Nightrose> we will see who shows up
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> [17:33] <Nightrose> probably going to girls age 15 to 25
[22:36] <Nightrose> maybe you don't even want them ;-)
[22:36] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: yea might as wel be 40 or older
[22:36] <Nightrose> I will know about 20 mins before my workshop
[22:36] <Nightrose> and 3 hours before the installfest
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:37]  * Nightrose will prepare different workshops and see which one she does when they show up


[00:30] <C_Smith> if i made Ubuntu Natty disks, would the Jam be a good place to give a few out to guests who come?
[00:44]  * bkerensa dances
[00:44] <bkerensa> \o/
[00:44] <bkerensa> ./
[00:44] <bkerensa> .\
[00:44] <bkerensa> ./
[00:44] <bkerensa> .\
[00:44] <bkerensa> ./
[00:44] <bkerensa> .\
[00:44] <bkerensa> :0
[00:44] <C_Smith> nice
[00:45] <C_Smith> bored?
[03:07] <bkerensa> nah was just celebrating all planning for Global Jam being done
[03:07] <bkerensa> it took almost a month
[03:51] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I'm getting epic amounts of rogue bugmail
[03:51] <bkerensa> :P
[04:14] <C_Smith> well, the upgrade failed, having to reinstall since the failed upgrade left me with a broken system.
[04:15] <C_Smith> Bkerensa, I won't be able to carpool, our ride will be full.
[04:16] <bkerensa> ?
[04:16] <bkerensa> Your not coming to the jam?
[04:16] <bkerensa> =o
[04:16] <bkerensa> :(
[04:16] <bkerensa> C_Smith: ?
[04:17] <C_Smith> I'm coming
[04:17] <C_Smith> I just can't carpool
[04:19] <bkerensa> =o So how will you be getting here? Still bringing friends?
[04:24] <C_Smith> yes
[04:24] <C_Smith> that's the reason I can't carpool, I'm coming, though.
[04:27] <bkerensa> oh ok
[04:27] <bkerensa> so the car is full and they are coming too your just come some other way
[04:27] <bkerensa> :D
[04:28] <bkerensa> someone was in here earlier talking about offering a ride from salem to pdx and back
[04:28] <bkerensa> idk
[04:31] <C_Smith> yeah, pretty much
[04:32] <bkerensa> cool
[04:33] <C_Smith> and also, I asked earlier if, in the case I make Ubuntu CDs (in variants of Kubuntu and Ubuntu, all 32-bit), would it be a good idea to give some out?
[04:33] <C_Smith> they will have labels made with Lightscribe.
[04:34] <C_Smith> heck, I also have extra Linux Mint CDs from the times I used it,
[04:35] <bkerensa> If you want I think most people have USB's these days but I know shantorn had asked about CD's
[04:35] <C_Smith> yeah, I don't have nearly as big a supply of flash drives as I have of CDs
[04:36] <C_Smith> got 50 Lightscribe CDs for $20 ($10 a pack)
[04:36] <bkerensa> lol :P no people can bring their own
[04:36] <bkerensa> :D
[04:37] <bkerensa> USB's
[04:37] <C_Smith> yeah, also, I've found, myself, that flash drives are more convenient, but 8GB is a bit excessive for a Ubuntu drive. XD
[04:38] <bkerensa> This is just a test!
[04:38] <bkerensa> !ops
[04:38] <bkerensa> uhh oh :P
[04:38] <C_Smith> xD
[04:38] <bkerensa> I dont think it does anything
[04:38] <bkerensa> :)
[04:38] <bkerensa> since none of them are in the channel
[04:38] <C_Smith> still funny nonetheless.
[04:38] <bkerensa> actually not
[04:38] <bkerensa> it did alert people
[04:38] <bkerensa> ;(
[04:39] <C_Smith> wow..... not sure how.
[04:39] <bkerensa> I thought it just woke people in channel up
[04:39] <bkerensa> well the bot is in other channels so it alerted in the #ubuntu-irc
[04:40] <C_Smith> hmmmm, well, when they come, you can just explain it was a mistake while trying to learn commands, right?
[04:40] <bkerensa> Well I figured it worked based on who had chanops
[04:40] <bkerensa> so I figured it would just wake me and finn so yeah
[04:43] <C_Smith> well, back to installing
[15:42] <bkerensa> Kitty- you coming tomorrow?
[15:49]  * bkerensa is editing some posters in inkscape
[15:49] <bkerensa> YAY
[16:17] <C_Smith> good mornin
[16:21] <bkerensa> Hi
[16:21] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[16:23] <dgibbons> bkerensa: I've heard a rumor hypodermia is trying to get out of going by "not being able to get there"
[16:23] <dgibbons> !!!
[16:23] <bkerensa> dgibbons: :(
[16:24] <bkerensa> hypodermia!
[16:40] <C_Smith> ah, finally got things working! most of my backed up hidden files prevented my apps from working.
[16:47] <bkerensa> Hmmm my black ink has been blinking for a month now its not....
[17:11] <C_Smith> strange.
[17:17] <C_Smith> I know someone who is out of ink completely, no color nor black,
[17:42] <dgibbons> I haven't owned a printer in years
[17:43] <bkerensa> Pizza is order.... Pizzacato!
[17:44] <hypodermia> bkerensa: dgibbons saved me from that fate fortunately
[17:48] <bkerensa> hypodermia: Which fate?
[17:48] <hypodermia> bkerensa: the fate of missing our on our glorious jam
[17:48] <bkerensa> :D
[17:48] <bkerensa> good good... Please take swag :P
[17:48] <hypodermia> oh i intend to, my friend.
[17:49] <bkerensa> I literally have to break swag down into three people taking it
[17:49] <hypodermia> hahaha
[17:49] <bkerensa> I'm bring half downtown today
[17:49] <hypodermia> please tell me there's totes
[17:49] <bkerensa> the rest tomorrow
[17:49] <bkerensa> =o
[17:49] <hypodermia> i could use a good totes
[17:49] <hypodermia> tote*
[17:49] <bkerensa> No totes :P bring a backpack or something :D
[17:49] <hypodermia> damn
[17:49] <hypodermia> i don't have one :(
[17:49] <hypodermia> i have like no bags of any kind
[17:49] <bkerensa> Hmm I will check at the store today
[17:49] <bkerensa> and see if I can find some vinyl bags
[17:51] <hypodermia> well you don't have to *buy* anything. i just need to probably borrow something to take my computer in. i moved here from Georgia, and things like bags didn't make the journey.
[17:51] <bkerensa> Georgia :D
[17:51] <hypodermia> are you from Georgia?
[17:51] <bkerensa> Someone tried to get me to move there once
[17:52] <hypodermia> hahahaha. you didn't. good move.
[17:52] <bkerensa> Pretty much bribed me
[17:52] <bkerensa> He was like come stay at my house... You will love the southern girls
[17:52] <hypodermia> the southern girls are very meh
[17:52] <bkerensa> and then a thought bubble occured and I was like ahhh not so much
[17:53] <hypodermia> where in Georgia? that makes a huge difference
[17:53] <bkerensa> Man.... From now on when I order Pizza I need to ask for catering.... Papa Johns scalps me.... cost me like $40 to get pizza, soda and wings
[17:53] <bkerensa> Umm Marietta?
[17:54] <bkerensa> is it nice there?
[18:00] <hypodermia> bkerensa: it's suburby, but most of atlanta is. i went to college there. that's on the north side, where most of the middle class and upper middle class lives. you would've been living in suburban sprawl but otherwise okay
[18:01] <hypodermia> well, i went to college *near* there. for a semester.
[18:01] <bkerensa> :D
[18:01] <bkerensa> are you from Georgia?
[18:02] <C_Smith> I myself am going to enjoy the jam
[18:04] <C_Smith> I myself am a native Minnesotan.
[18:05] <bkerensa> Yeah you betcha gee golly
[18:10] <hypodermia> bkerensa: i am
[18:10] <C_Smith> my mother went from a decent laptop (the exact same model I've been using for a couple years, a Compaq Presario CQ60-420US, which has outlasted hers,) to a junk laptop from Walmart.
[18:13] <bkerensa> heh
[18:14] <bkerensa> all laptops are junk :) they are all made in asia
[18:14] <bkerensa> :P
[18:14] <bkerensa> I want a Toughbook.... A week after I bought a new laptop from dell I dropped it from 3ft onto concrete somehow it survived with no damage at all not even a scratch
[18:17] <hypodermia> i want a macbook pro :3
[18:17] <C_Smith> xD true dat, but the laptop she bought, well let's just say the only decent thing about it is it has a webcam.
[18:17] <C_Smith> desktops ftw!
[18:21] <bkerensa> :P
[18:22]  * bkerensa will not comment on Mac users
[18:22] <C_Smith> now back to ubuntu tweak.
[18:22] <C_Smith> an imo, macs are overpriced,
[18:31] <C_Smith> The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword looks like it will be a good gam
[18:32] <C_Smith> *game
[18:36] <C_Smith> Bkerensa, is there a good online PC shop you could recommend for part so I can build a desktop PC?
[18:37] <bkerensa> Newegg.com?
[18:37] <C_Smith> ok, I was thinking the same, wanted to get an opinion.
[18:37] <bkerensa> But
[18:37] <bkerensa> Fry's in Wilsonville is cheaper
[18:37] <C_Smith> yes?
[18:38] <bkerensa> and they do online price match of any retailer
[18:38] <C_Smith> ah, I'd forgotten about that.
[18:38] <bkerensa> I go there a few times a month for ram, fans etc
[18:38] <bkerensa> bbl
[18:38] <C_Smith> cya.
[19:08] <bkerensa> !bleachbit
[19:25] <C_Smith1> not sure what that's supposed to do.....
[19:46] <bkerensa> Man we got people coming from Seattle tomorrow to the global jam :D now if we could just get shirgall to come
[19:47] <shirgall> bkerensa: next you'll want me to fix bugs instead of filing them
[19:48] <bkerensa> shirgall: I just want you to come in general :) everyone is gonna be like oh nobody from Canonical came
[19:48] <bkerensa> shirgall: Can I bribe you by telling you you will leave with a stomach full of Pizzacato and swag :)
[19:49] <shirgall> bkerensa: I can't eat cheese :)
[19:49] <bkerensa> ok we will have a veggie platter
[19:49] <bkerensa> :D
[19:49] <bkerensa> you tell me why you cant come and I will tell you why you can :D
[19:50]  * bkerensa has to head downtown bbl people
[20:16] <C_Smith1> after idling for who knows how long installing stuff including xbmc and browsing teh interwebz, I is back!
[20:20] <C_Smith1> wtf? how the heck am I one twice? brb
[20:21] <C_Smith> there we go
[20:21] <C_Smith> so, how is everyone?
[23:34] <bkerensa> :D
[23:34]  * bkerensa just got back from having lunch with Finn
[23:45] <C_Smith> bkerensa, what was the link to for the picture of the stuff being given away? I have a friend who is coming who wants a picture of it.
[23:45] <C_Smith> I myself don't have it in my cache since that upgrade failed.
[23:46] <C_Smith> there's a 2-3 day gap between when my last backup was and the failed upgrade, which the upgrade was after the last backup.
[23:46] <bkerensa> lol
[23:46]  * bkerensa has no idea
[23:46]  * bkerensa reuploads thats just some of it
[23:47] <C_Smith> lol, well, guess I'll try diving into firefox's history again.
[23:48] <bkerensa> http://imgur.com/SuiVM
[23:48] <bkerensa> there it is
[23:48] <bkerensa> C_Smith
[23:48] <bkerensa> :D
[23:48] <C_Smith> thanks
[23:49] <C_Smith> sorry, was delving deep into my browsing history from firefox.
[23:51] <C_Smith> also, have you heard of those chargers you can turn off the flow of power to the laptop with a button?


[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[09:34] <chmj> morning
[09:40] <fabbione> hey chmj
[09:40] <chmj> fabbione: any crack ?
[09:40] <fabbione> chmj: ?
[09:41] <chmj> fabbione: non-userland todo, that I can handle ?
[09:42] <fabbione> chmj: fix all the bugs in bugzilla
[09:42] <chmj> fabbione: heh, ok
[09:43] <fabbione> there is stuff but it's not easy and it needs you to build on all arches
[09:43] <fabbione> if you can do some bug triage it would be very good
[09:43] <chmj> ok
[09:43] <chmj> I'll have a look
[09:44] <fabbione> cool
[09:44] <fabbione> GO DPATCH !
[09:45] <fabbione> IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY!
[09:45] <chmj> fabbione: ?
[09:46] <fabbione> chmj: they changed dpatch-edit in the last version
[09:47] <fabbione> it can't be used for kernel anymore
[09:47] <chmj> oh
[09:48] <fabbione> OMFG!
[09:48] <fabbione> 3 copies of the same source to make a PATCH!
[09:49] <chmj> oh my
[09:49] <fabbione> dpatch-edit-patch: * Copying /usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/breezy/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12 to reference directory.
[09:50] <fabbione> dpatch-edit-patch: * Copying reference directory /usr/src/dpatchtemp/dpep-ref.8xrjTj/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12 to work directory.
[09:50] <fabbione> + the original
[09:50] <fabbione> for one patch
[09:58] <fabbione> hmmm there is a solution...
[09:58] <fabbione> that's cleaning how we handle 00list
[10:00] <fabbione> this debian/rules is a mess
[10:47] <fabbione> thom: ping?
[11:15] <thom> fabbione: hi
[11:26] <fabbione> hey thom
[11:27] <fabbione> thom: 34.3 release.. do you mind to commit to baz the work you have done?
[11:27] <fabbione> both in pre34.3 and tags..
[11:35] <thom> ack, sorry
[11:35] <fabbione> thom: no problem :)
[11:35] <fabbione> i need to look at the patches.. since somebody is claiming regressions on i386?
[11:37] <thom> don't see how, since they both only touch code under arch/x86_64
[11:38] <fabbione> i know :)
[11:45] <thom> * committed kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre34,3--2.6.10--patch-2
[11:48] <fabbione> danke
[11:52] <thom> oh, and:
[11:52] <thom> * creating version kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--mainline-2,6,10-34,3--0
[11:53] <fabbione> cool
[11:53] <fabbione> did you also merge in mainline?
[11:54] <thom> eh? i branched the pre to the mainline
[11:54] <fabbione>       kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10
[11:54] <fabbione> yes lamont did an extra branch were we merge the releases...
[11:55] <fabbione> basically the flow is:
[11:55] <fabbione> pre merge's into kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10
[11:55] <fabbione> kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 branch to tag and to new pre
[11:55] <fabbione> but any combination of the above is valid :)
[11:56] <fabbione> don't ask me why lamont did it this way :)
[11:56] <fabbione> i was VAC when they started using baz :P
[11:56] <thom> how amazingly fucking weird
[11:57] <fabbione> probably it helps baz to find the best merge point
[11:57] <fabbione> not sure tho
[11:57] <fabbione> i had that kind of issues before
[02:35] <zul> heylo
[03:10] <jbailey> zul: Slacking off at the new job already?
[03:12] <zul> god this connection sucks
[03:21] <zul> they are suppose to be putting fiber in the building this week
[03:22] <jbailey> fiber gives you the runs.
[03:22] <jbailey> err..
[03:22] <jbailey> makes you run faster.
[03:22] <zul> meh..
[03:22] <zul> b.c boy...how was the drive back to toronto
[03:23] <jbailey> uneventful.
[03:23] <jbailey> We detoured through the diefenbunked, back to Ottawa for food and then drove here.
[03:23] <zul> cool...ill be gong to diefenbunker one day
[03:23] <jbailey> The drive was pretty even the whole way.  Carlos and Kristine were geocaching, so we stopped pretty frequently.
[03:23] <jbailey> It's a hella-cool trip.
[03:24] <jbailey> If I come up to OLS with Angie, perhaps you can join us.
[03:24] <Lathiat> hehe geocaching
[03:24] <zul> sure..i dont think that would be a problem..
[03:26] <jbailey> Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog
[03:26] <jbailey> I'm guessing that's norweigian.
[03:28] <Mithrandir> jbailey: yeah, it is.
[03:28] <Mithrandir> "No such file or directory"
[04:30] <zul> hey lamont
[04:35] <lamont> morning zul
[04:35] <fabbione> hey zul
[04:42] <zul> hey fabbione how goes it/
[04:42] <fabbione> zul: good.. i am relaxing..
[04:42] <fabbione> tomorrow I need to do a lot of cleanup in the kernel
[04:43] <zul> good...did you finish your gardening?
[04:43] <fabbione> our debian/rules isn't exatly happy with the latest dpatch
[04:43] <fabbione> zul: no...
[04:43] <fabbione> that will never end ;)
[04:43] <zul> heh...i know
[04:43] <zul> what did you break now? ;)
[04:44] <fabbione> i didn't break anything
[04:44] <zul> sure sure :)
[04:44] <fabbione> it's the way dpatch-edit works that is changed
[04:44] <fabbione> and it makes problem with the patch order
[04:44] <zul> frig


[06:56] <lissyx> seb128, thanks for rebuilding
[07:34] <seb128> lissyx, np, unsure what's going on with the build though, if that's a connectivity error or a server problem somehow
[07:35] <lissyx> what was the rror?
[07:35] <seb128> https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/actions/workflows/nightly-build.yml
[07:35] <seb128> the most recent builds failed on
[07:35] <seb128>  + hg clone https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central -u 1432959f9b860ab850c2709877ec53acb6e2333a .
[07:35] <seb128> transaction abort!
[07:36] <seb128> ...
[07:36] <seb128> abort: stream ended unexpectedly  (got 32606 bytes, expected 32768)
[07:37] <seb128> I just did a first retry an hour ago that failed the same way so let's see if the new one still has the issue
[07:40] <lissyx> i got a bunch of error 500 earlier on redash (tool for telemetry) so maybe there's some spotty incident
[07:45] <juliank> Can we kill update-manager and move it into flutter snap-store?
[07:46] <seb128> no
[07:46] <seb128> snap store is for snaps
[07:46] <juliank> hmm
[07:47] <juliank> I thought it also shows you debs?
[07:47] <lissyx> seb128, that being said, --stream should be used, I've finally found some benchmark made by glandium: https://glandium.org/blog/?p=3913
[07:47] <juliank> So is there a new separate deb "store"?
[07:48] <seb128> juliank, it's a bit unclear to me what the plans are for deb handling, they will probably still be available in some way but applying system updates is a different flow than installing applications from a store
[07:48] <juliank> like current snap store installs snaps, debs, upgrades snaps, upgrades firmware
[07:50] <juliank> seb128: It really shouldn't be, if you install a deb from a store, you should also be able to upgrade it from it, and then you just need a collection to represent any "OS upgrade" that's not app-associated
[07:50] <seb128> juliank, that's what gnome-software is doing and not a great experience
[07:51] <juliank> it certainly is miles above the update-manager experience
[07:52] <juliank> update-manager and software-properties and release upgrader all are stuck in GTK2 designs barely upgraded to GTK3 backends
[07:53] <seb128> I'm not saying that those are nice softwares or that they don't need to be improved/rewritten
[07:53] <seb128> but not everything fits under the store
[07:57] <juliank> the main problem I see is a lot of user confusion if you present them with multiple places to see available updates
[07:57] <juliank> needs like on "Updates Hub" application
[07:58] <juliank> I guess updates hub could aggregrate update sources and redirect you to domain-specific updating apps
[08:00] <juliank> and software-properties ng if you will really should probably be pages in the control center
[08:00] <juliank> the settings app
[08:02] <juliank> it all very much depends on the new deb822 model for managing sources and their keys
[08:04] <juliank> when I think about that, I think "sleek and concise" is my mantra
[08:06] <juliank> I just can't picture it yet
[08:08] <juliank> Once I have written the apt-key list replacement stuff will become clearer :D
[08:22] <lissyx> seb128, I also have hiccups locally doing hg clone ...
[08:32] <seb128> lissyx, :-(
[08:32] <lissyx> looks like the build on github finally runs ?
[08:33] <seb128> yes, it has managed to go past the checkout this time
[08:36] <lissyx> seb128, that being said, build is not idempotent here: re-runing a failed attempt breaks because of "quilt push -a"
[08:36] <lissyx> seb128, shouldn't be patch applied during the "override-pull" phase?
[08:36] <lissyx> same as setting $MOZCONFIG content
[08:41] <seb128> lissyx, I guess doing it in the pull would make sense in that regard since quilt push returns 2 and not 0 when patches are already applied
[11:14] <seb128> lissyx, bandali, https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/actions/runs/5386525782 , nightly build worked!
[11:45] <lissyx> seb128, is it on the store yet?
[11:46] <lissyx> rev 2834 dated today 1255
[11:46] <lissyx> looks like yes
[13:05] <bandali> awesome!
[13:06] <bandali> btw lissyx i plan to push a commit to `stable` to enable debug symbols for arm64; would it be picked up for 115.0-1 on your end, or would it need a version bumping?
[13:06] <bandali> (i'd prefer to not to a bump like that on `stable` because it's an ugly hack and i wouldn't want to carry that in the git history forever..)
[13:07] <lissyx> bandali, we dont collect armhf/aarch64 at all for the moment
[13:07] <bandali> ah okay great, thanks
[13:07] <lissyx> so we'd need to enable it first
[13:08] <bandali> ack. i'll ping you know when it's in place for arm64
[13:08] <bandali> s/know//
[13:08] <lissyx> do you already have arm64 builds on launchpad with those symbols ?
[13:08] <bandali> not yet, but hopefully starting today or tomorrow
[13:46] <lissyx> seb128, quickly measured
[13:46] <lissyx> seb128, I just killed a bare hg clone
[13:46] <lissyx> after 15m
[13:46] <lissyx> seb128, all my previous attempts using --stream were cloned in < 2m
[13:46] <seb128> lissyx, great! could you do a PR for it?
[13:47] <lissyx> or maybe I got unlucky
[13:47] <lissyx> well stream is designed to reduce the volume anyway
[13:52] <lissyx> killed it, restarted, it's already running for too long
[13:59] <lissyx> seb128, https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/pull/20
[13:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 20 in canonical/firefox-snap "Improve flow" [Open]
[14:10] <seb128> lissyx, thanks
[14:10] <lissyx> hm that's not what I expected
[14:10] <lissyx> I killed a build, restarted it
[14:10] <lissyx> + env -u LD_LIBRARY_PATH -u PYTHONPATH /usr/bin/python3 ./mach configure --prefix=/root/parts/firefox/install/usr
[14:14] <seb128> ?
[14:15] <lissyx> it's complainig it does not find mach
[14:15] <lissyx> maybe I should move the rm ... ?
[14:21] <seb128> weird
[14:24] <lissyx> seb128, yeah my mistake
[14:24] <lissyx> seb128, the PR should be uptodate and good to go
[14:29] <seb128> 👍
[14:35] <lissyx> seb128, now that hg clone is separated, rebuild in 8 mins :)
[14:37] <seb128> great!
[18:26] <tuxayo> Hi :) does anyone know if using the snap version of steam can cause proton games to fail to launch or is that pretty much a thing of the past?
[18:26] <tuxayo> (Ubuntu 23.04, kisak's mesa PPA)
[18:27] <tuxayo> Maybe I missed an important part of getting proton games to run on Linux but I tried a native game (Veloren) and it works. So vulkan support should be ok
[18:30] <ogra> kenvandine, ^^^
[23:04] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon Gunnar Hjalmarsson 408115 * commented merge request !15 * https://deb.li/lyNv
[23:09] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon Jeremy Bicha 408116 * commented merge request !15 * https://deb.li/3PWEn
[23:21] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon Gunnar Hjalmarsson 408117 * commented merge request !15 * https://deb.li/3nPmU