[00:29] <robert___> Sup?
[00:29] <robert___> Anyone from canada?
[00:32] <sem> Thanks Bashing-om I'll look into it sometime, not sure exactly what the best setup is but I've got more ideas now :)
[00:35] <Bashing-om> sem: In the event of isues with grub in the primary one can boot a secondary from bios :)
[00:43] <webchat58> Hello, I was directed here to report what I think might be a systemd bug in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (I got here from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_manually_at_Launchpad.net ).
[00:43] <webchat58> I'm seeing exactly what this gist describes: https://gist.github.com/raggi/1f8d0b9f45c5b62e7131b03e6e2ffe68
[00:43] <webchat58> Summary:
[00:43] <webchat58> 1. Configure a machine with a DHCPv4 lease on a network with a DHCPv4 server.
[00:43] <webchat58> 2. Place machine under unusual load sufficient to cause a timeout on netlink requests.
[00:43] <webchat58> 3. Observe the interface failing with the following logs:
[00:43] <webchat58> systemd-networkd[139370]: eth0: Could not set DHCPv4 address: Connection timed out
[00:43] <webchat58> systemd-networkd[139370]: eth0: Failed
[00:43] <webchat58> Expected behavior
[00:43] <webchat58> The DHCPv4 client should retry the lease refresh when the issue is a timeout, eventually succeeding in these scenarios.
[00:43] <webchat58> Actual behavior
[00:43] <webchat58> Permanent loss of connectivity on the affected interface.
[00:43] <webchat58> Can anyone offer advice or hints on next steps?
[00:57] <sem> hey webchat58, did you try submitting a bug on launchpad already as well? That might be helpful for the developers esp if you can link to the gist and submit your logs
[01:08] <webchat58> hi sem, I wasn't sure if it was a bug. I'm happy to go file a launchpad bug - I can get logs and I have a reasonable description/investigation of the issue.
[01:09] <sem> Yeah I think that would be very helpful, especially if you can reproduce it at will
[01:10] <webchat58> It's a bit tough to reproduce on demand, but when it does happen the circumstances seem consistent.
[01:10] <webchat58> Anyway, thanks, I'll go look at launchpad.
[01:10] <sem> You might try to get more information about any workarounds that fix it temporarily.
[01:11] <webchat58> Ok, I've got a couple of ideas that I've tried.
[01:11] <sem> Best of luck let us know what you find webchat58 and thanks for reporting
[01:11] <webchat58> Cheers
[02:21] <ruser> back in the day I used to use mplayer compiled from sources to do video playback.  What's a good player these days?
[02:22] <rbox> mplayer still exists
[02:26] <ruser> rbox:  still just as good? any point in building from sources?  This used to be a requirement to get decent video playback.
[02:26] <rbox> theres no point in building anyting from source
[02:31] <cobraeriko> I'm using Ubuntu 22.04. For some reason I can load websites that have an IPv4 and IPv6 record when I use LAN but can only load those that have an IPv6 when I use WiFi. How can should I go about fixing this?
[02:34] <JanC> cobraeriko: did you check the Network settings to see if IPv4 is properly configured for the WiFi connection?
[02:35] <cobraeriko> JanC No how do I do that?
[02:37] <JanC> if you are on a standard Ubuntu Desktop system (with Gnome) you can go to the settings in the system menu at the top right
[02:46] <cobraeriko> Ok. I did so, made sure IPv4 automatic connection was selected. Now this "required" window pops up asking me for "authentication." Should it be PEAP, TLS, LEAP, Tunneled TLS or FAST?
[03:21] <esv> is there a place where I can browse the packages available for a particular release?
[03:21] <rbox> packages.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <esv> XD browser crashed - lol
[03:29] <esv> thnx, got what I needed.
[03:31] <esv> is there a similar list for the ubuntu-pro customers?
[09:19] <goax> youtube
[12:00] <DocMors> is launchpad offline or is that just me
[12:01] <oerheks> https://status.canonical.com/
[12:01] <oerheks> correct
[12:01] <oerheks> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[12:02] <oerheks> some 35 minutes now
[12:02] <DocMors> oerheks, thanks again :)
[12:25] <doosboox> Hi, I need to install python2 on Ubuntu 23.10 -- preferably locally somehow because I don't actually *want* to pollute my system with it :/ Anyone knows how?
[12:29] <alcor> doosboox: In that case, your best case might be running it in an a container or some other sandboxing solution
[12:29] <oerheks> !info python2.7 mantic
[12:30] <oerheks> oh, not available..  jammy was the latest https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7
[12:31] <oerheks> manual method, preferrably in a container, like alcor suggests ..
[12:31] <oerheks> https://hackprojects.wordpress.com/tutorials/opencv-python-tutorials/how-to-install-python-2-7-13-on-ubuntu/
[12:49] <doosboox> Not sure a container is a viable solution for me. I’ll have a look at it. But is there a way to install it in a virtualenv or similar?
[12:52] <oerheks> venv .. https://tecadmin.net/create-python-virtual-environment-ubuntu/
[12:52] <oerheks> but i would do that in a container/vm
[12:54] <doosboox> huh. I thought venv and virtualenv was the same thing. Always used the latter
[12:55] <doosboox> not all python2 deps are available, it seems. libreadline-gplv2-dev has no installation candidate
[12:56] <oerheks> yes, 2.7 is old, use 22.04 LTS if you *need* to
[12:57] <doosboox> I’m running bazel and the package pkg_tar needs python2. The package is deprecated, but as far as I can tell there’s no replacement yet
[12:58] <oerheks> their site gives a solution, docker https://bazel.build/install/docker-container
[13:00] <doosboox> oerheks: I guess that's an okay temporary solution, until the update the container image :P
[13:01] <doosboox> thanks for your help, everyone
[13:01] <oerheks> have fun!
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:57] <cmaspi> does anyone know where the username and password is stored for remote sharing on ubuntu 22.04? I checked /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. Couldn't find it there.
[14:58] <oerheks> keyring, i guess
[14:58] <oerheks> or plain in a config file
[15:02] <cmaspi> it's not keyring, any idea what config files I should be looking for?
[15:04] <oerheks>  ~/. ssh/authorized_keys
[15:04] <oerheks> oops, wrong
[15:05] <oerheks> 22.04 - Remote Desktop Sharing authentication password changes every reboot
[15:10] <cmaspi> actually my bad, it is keyring
[15:10] <ogra_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1456202/where-smb-client-password-saved
[15:10] <cmaspi> thanks
[15:58] <Jantz> any cyber smokers up for cool chat on skype?
[16:06] <oerheks> Jantz, that is offtopic
[16:09] <Jantz> ubuntu in skype??
[16:11] <oerheks> no support in skype.
[16:17] <ogra_> Jantz, do you have any specific ubuntu support question ... else, random questions and discussions can take place in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[16:39] <DocMors> flat stones, round stones
[17:24] <gordon__> hello
[17:24] <gordon__> UWU
[17:24] <gordon__> ?
[17:24] <oerheks> :-)
[17:25] <gordon__> HI
[17:25] <gordon__> :D
[17:25] <gordon__> :)
[17:26] <oerheks> do you have an ubuntu related support issue?
[17:29] <renatosuriano> oi
[17:42] <simon_belik> привет?
[19:50] <ShadowLabs> Has anyone been abel to get kerberos working wiht tickets longer than 4 hours when connected to an AD environment, ive set my krb5.conf and gpo for longer tickets but showing a klist with the default principal im only seeing a 4 hour expiration and renewal time
[19:54] <oerheks> old, but might fix it >> https://serverfault.com/questions/132123/how-to-change-the-kerberos-default-ticket-lifetime
[19:55] <oerheks> By default, all Kerberos Tickets have a 10 hour lifetime
[19:55] <oerheks> '
[19:55] <oerheks> ???
[19:56] <ShadowLabs> not aparently on my system its been 4 hours seeming no matter what i do on the domain controller
[19:58] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server ..
[19:59] <ShadowLabs> ya will do thanks
[20:35] <Guest1300> hi
[20:37] <oerheks> :-)
[20:37] <bprompt> :)
[20:38] <oerheks> :-D
[20:38] <mandem0110> :D
[20:38] <bprompt> Õ¿Õ
[20:40] <oerheks> 🤪
[20:40] <mandem0110>
[23:06] <russw> I have somehow broken my ubuntu 20.04 apt... I am getting this GPG error:  https://bpa.st/raw/YRUIQ
[23:07] <russw> Anyone know how to undo this?  Not being able to `apt update` is a bit of a problem o_O
[23:07] <leftyfb> russw: remove the 3rd party repository
[23:09] <leftyfb> russw: or try curl -sSL "https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1A127079A92F09ED" | sudo gpg --dearmor --output /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/kitware.gpg --yes
[23:09] <russw> nto even sure what that kitware was for... `sudo rm ./sources.list.d/kitware.list` did it
[23:09] <leftyfb> russw: you should figure that out
[23:09] <russw> definitely
[23:11] <cbreak> russw: probably cmake
[23:11] <russw> aha... yes, that is what it was.  Had a failed install there.  Reverted to cmake via asdf instead.
[23:12] <russw> thanks, cbreak
[23:12] <cbreak> there's cmake in normal apt repos
[23:12] <russw> too old for the project I needed it for
[23:13] <russw> (no idea why, but it failed a build check)
[23:13] <cbreak> I think I compile cmake from source when the repo one is too old
[23:13] <cbreak> but that hasn't happened in some time...


[15:00]  * vorlon waves
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <tdaitx> o/
[15:00] <waveform> o/
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:04] <waveform> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:04] <waveform> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 30 15:04:04 2019 UTC.  The chair is waveform. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:04] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:04] <waveform> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[15:04] <waveform> doko juliank waveform infinity sil2100 vorlon tdaitx cyphermox rbalint bdmurray mwhudson xnox
[15:05] <vorlon> doko: are you here?
[15:06] <bdmurray> waveform: why don't you go?
[15:06] <waveform> okey dokey
[15:06] <waveform> * u-boot merge from debian/sid
[15:06] <waveform> * testing merged u-boot with eoan-nightly on pi2, pi3, etc. etc.
[15:06] <waveform> * confirmed pi3 nightly armhf image still works on pi2; should be fine to remove pi2 images from eoan
[15:06] <waveform> * responding to comments on pi "amazing" spec
[15:06] <waveform> * PR'd changes to seed cloud-init from boot partition (still need to push changes to livecd-rootfs for this to actually work, but the seed files are now in the right place)
[15:06] <waveform> * discussed merging bluetooth updates from classic to core
[15:06] <waveform> (done)
[15:06] <bdmurray> infinity isn't in the channel
[15:06] <waveform> sil2100, ?
[15:07] <sil2100> o/
[15:07] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:07] <sil2100> - Kernel SRU reviews
[15:07] <sil2100> - SRU meeting
[15:07] <sil2100> - Britney's SRU ADT regression reporting:
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Still running in dry-run mode
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Fixed state save and restore, added some test coverage
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Checked if things seem to be working correctly and so far everything looks good
[15:07] <sil2100> - Merged Dave's pi3-gadget classic changes
[15:07] <sil2100> - Fixed failing raspi3 builds due to missing multiverse-enabled sources.list in pi3-gadget's recently merged changes
[15:07] <sil2100> - Investigated and fixed core18's FTBFS caused by ubuntu-base tarballs now shipping empty /dev
[15:07] <sil2100> - DMB duties
[15:07] <sil2100> - More poking regarding testing of the security-only toolchain rebuilds
[15:07] <sil2100> - Prepared GKE-related changes for docker.io and containerd, updated the containerd version for their PPA
[15:07] <sil2100> - Some NEW re-reviews
[15:07] <sil2100> - Pi Bluetooth meeting sync
[15:07] <sil2100> - Looking into various ways of solving the /boot/grub classic gadget-based image thingy
[15:07] <sil2100> (done)
[15:08] <waveform> vorlon?
[15:09] <vorlon>  * SRUs: getting closer to openssl 1.1.1 packageset being releasable to bionic
[15:09] <vorlon>  * SRU team meeting, good discussions, will lead to some minor updates to the SRU policy which I'm on the hook to draft
[15:09] <vorlon>  * out of office tomorrow for a customer visit in the Bay
[15:09] <vorlon>  * discussions around Netplan features for 19.10
[15:09] <vorlon> (done)
[15:09] <tdaitx> * trying to get bionic/cosmic/disco fixes released for tomcat8, netbeans, and scilab (LP: #1825604, LP: #1828427, LP: #1825037, LP: #1827090)
[15:09] <tdaitx> * no reproducer for LP: #1811695, discussing gathered data with juliank
[15:09] <tdaitx> * working on report tool for packages removed from debian that may affect proposed
[15:09] <tdaitx> Other:
[15:09] <tdaitx> - reading through the FUD on openjdk builds (ML, Y combinator, twitter)
[15:09] <tdaitx> - testing debian's proposed openjdk watch file (based on mercurial instead of upstream tarballs)
[15:09] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:10] <tdaitx> cyphermox: go!
[15:10] <cyphermox> I was sick on Tuesday :(
[15:10] <cyphermox> netplan OVS integration brainstorm
[15:10] <cyphermox> debugging NetworkManager autopkgtests failure on ppc64el
[15:10] <cyphermox> initial porting NM autopkgtests to gir1.2-nm-1.0
[15:10] <cyphermox> travel planning/booking
[15:10] <cyphermox> started grub2 merge
[15:10] <cyphermox> partner work
[15:10] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:10] <bdmurray> rbalint is out
[15:10] <waveform> bdmurray, then you're up :)
[15:10] <bdmurray> modified apport contents mapping file to include more paths for executables
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested apport changes in staging error tracker (good!)
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted MP and RT regarding deploying apport r3251 in production
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT re retracers failing to connect to cassandra
[15:10] <bdmurray> helped IS resolve an issue with firewall configs for the Error Tracker
[15:10] <bdmurray> created better retracer retracing result graphs
[15:10] <bdmurray> special SRU reviews of software-properties, mutter, gnome-shell, epiphany-browser
[15:11] <bdmurray> Ubuntu SRU team meeting
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into tar and xattrs support
[15:11] <bdmurray> short week as Monday was a US holiday
[15:11] <bdmurray> done
[15:11] <bdmurray> xnox:
[15:12] <xnox> my turn
[15:12] <xnox> * reviewed and uploaded some systemd patches into eoan
[15:12] <xnox> * fixedup -perl bionic openssl SRUs
[15:12] <xnox> * fixedup disco openssl SRU
[15:12] <xnox> * worked on secureboot for s390x packaging changes / proof of concept
[15:12] <xnox> * trying to chase steam-runtime maintainers
[15:12] <xnox> * made a few (dead)livefs-rootfs merge proposals to prune things
[15:12] <xnox> * confused about preffered initrd compression algo
[15:12] <xnox> = Blocked on =
[15:12] <xnox> SRU bionic
[15:12] <xnox> * libnet-ssleay-perl (1m 25 days)
[15:12] <xnox> * libww-perl  (9 days)
[15:12] <xnox> * libio-socket-ssl-perl (0 days)
[15:12] <xnox> * finalrd SRU bionic NEW (7 days)
[15:12] <xnox> SRU cosmic NEW
[15:12] <xnox> * python-tornado4 (1m 25 days)
[15:12] <xnox> SRU disco
[15:12] <xnox> * openssl (1 day)
[15:12] <xnox> end
[15:13] <waveform> #topic Release incoming bugs (eoan)
[15:13] <waveform> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:13] <bdmurray> bug 1821252
[15:14] <xnox> yeah, i should take it
[15:14] <bdmurray> It looks like support is working on it
[15:14] <xnox> it looks legit
[15:14] <bdmurray> so we could tag it notfixing since foundations isn't working on it
[15:14] <xnox> bdmurray:  i can't tell if support is working on it; or if they are having a "community hobby" to apply for coredev
[15:15] <bdmurray> xnox: its tagged sts
[15:15] <xnox> bdmurray:  ah interesting.
[15:15] <xnox> bdmurray:  i should at least merge it into upstream / eoan
[15:16] <bdmurray> well we can drop the rls-ee-incoming tag at least since it has an Eoan task
[15:16] <xnox> yeah
[15:17] <bdmurray> If you do the Eoan bit that's great. So moving on
[15:18] <bdmurray> we talked about bug 1494851 last week but its not clear to me if its an issue in Eoan
[15:19] <xnox> it's not an issue in Eoan, because of the package split
[15:19] <xnox> only older releases
[15:19] <xnox> and i did say last week i will look into it..... but failed
[15:19] <bdmurray> so then we should flip it to Fix Released for Eoan
[15:19] <xnox> ok
[15:20] <xnox> done
[15:20] <bdmurray> bug 1218702 I feel like we talked about that too
[15:22] <vorlon> yeah, declined to commit
[15:22] <vorlon> (bdmurray fixing tags)
[15:22] <bdmurray> bug 1779639
[15:24] <sil2100> That's like from last year
[15:25] <sil2100> That's so 2018
[15:25] <bdmurray> I think the question is the scope of impact
[15:26] <bdmurray> I don't think its that bad b/c you do get notified of the crash eventually.
[15:27] <waveform> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:27] <waveform> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:29] <vorlon> the lxml/pandas ppc64el failure doesn't want to clear w/ retries
[15:29] <vorlon> does someone want to dig into that?
[15:29] <xnox> ew
[15:29] <xnox> i hate pandas
[15:30] <sil2100> I can try looking at it
[15:30] <vorlon> yes
[15:30] <vorlon> sil2100: thanks :)
[15:32] <vorlon> ubiquity is blocked by needing the flavors' seeds updated before landing the package split
[15:32] <vorlon> I will take that one for followup
[15:32] <vorlon> everything else on there is new and reasonable
[15:32] <vorlon> (known flaky tests, etc)
[15:33] <xnox> vorlon:  well. it's in progress. i've been talking to Wimpress and budgie people.
[15:33] <waveform> #topic AOB
[15:33] <vorlon> xnox: ah excellent, thanks
[15:33] <vorlon> xnox: ("in progress" - how long does it take to update the seed?)
[15:33] <xnox> vorlon:  i may proposed / upload status-quo uploads for budgie if there is no response next week.
[15:33] <xnox> vorlon:  just being polite
[15:33] <vorlon> :)
[15:34] <vorlon> I have no other business
[15:35] <xnox> i'm going to watch French Tennis Open on Saturday in Paris =)
[15:35] <xnox> roland garros or whoever it is
[15:35] <waveform> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 30 15:35:59 2019 UTC.
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-05-30-15.04.moin.txt
[15:37] <vorlon> waveform: thanks!
[15:37] <vorlon> and thanks, all
[15:37] <gaughen> thank you waveform
[15:40] <sil2100> o/


[03:36] <Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: memoserv? :)
[05:44] <florent_> Hello
[05:46] <florent_> perhaps it is too early to speak
[05:47] <florent_> i'm french and i research a computer scientist in oder to improve my english expression
[05:48] <florent_> What's more, i want to understand little better ubuntu 11.10
[05:48] <florent_> nobody ?
[06:42] <zprood> hi
[06:43]  * ball waves
[07:12] <shauno> ball: 03:36 < Daviey> If someone sees ball, can they tell him to use #ubuntu-mythtv please
[07:12] <shauno> also, morning o/
[07:27] <ball> shauno: Thanks, I figured that out after I asked the question.  I appreciate passing on the message though.
[07:28] <joar_>  #joar
[07:33] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:36] <ball> Morning AlanBell!
[08:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:27] <popey> yo
[08:27] <AlanBell> good trip back?
[08:28] <popey> yeah, all recovered
[08:32]  * popey hugs landscape
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:36]  * ball waves
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Let's hope "they" are right and this asteroid that passes between us and the moon is going to miss ;-)
[08:37] <shauno> the nerd in me thinks it'd be pretty neat if it hit the moon
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Scientists say the asteroid will miss us, but it will be barely more  than 200,000 miles away when it passes Earth at 11:13 p.m. Tuesday"
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds quite close to me...
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/11/weekend-news-flash-nasa-resumes-observation-of-massive-asteroid-which-will-fly-by-earth-tuesday.html
[08:44] <shauno> it's odd talking about close on that scale.  earth's only ~8000 miles wide
[08:46] <popey> the universe is very very very big. 200K miles is _very_ close :D
[08:48] <jml> try flying it in economy!
[08:58] <hoover> good morning
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:09] <diplo> morning all
[09:15] <AlanBell> popey: figured out what you do yet?
[09:15] <selinuxium> Good morning all    o/
[09:16] <MooDoo> good weekend everyone?
[09:16] <popey> yes AlanBell
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23]  * ball waves
[09:23]  * brobostigon waves back
[09:25] <Laney> morning
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning Laney
[09:26] <Myrtti> moin
[09:27] <brobostigon> moin Myrtti
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thunderbird & Firefox 8 are released tomorrow. Oh how I hate thee - quick release cycle with major version number change.
[09:29]  * awilkins yawns and stretches now that his cavity wall insulation has been done
[09:30] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what happens if you just set the plugin to be compatible with thunderbird up to version 10 for example?
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> It might keep working. Then again it might not. ;-)
[09:31] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15611160
[09:31] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, It's whats holding me back upgrading at the mo
[09:31] <diplo> the version changes
[09:31] <AlanBell> popey: glitter bang sparkle
[09:31] <diplo> I use some of my plugins daily, don't want the chance of them breaking just to have newest
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I could project support forward but not by much (only 9 and 10.0a1) currently: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pages/appversions/
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was a manic and great firework display popey - I saw that yesterday. Kids thought it was great.
[09:34] <AlanBell> ok, so no forward projecting by much if you want to be in the addon store
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Even not in the store. Those numbers are what are "understood" by the app.
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I tried 10.* for exmaple it would barf.
[09:36] <JamesTait> Morning all! May your Monday be magnificent! :)
[09:36] <AlanBell> huh?? so how would an older version of the app use your latest plugin?
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is a min version
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> and a max version
[09:37] <AlanBell> yes, so say I have current thunderbird 7.01, and I want to keep that
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> fine.
[09:37] <AlanBell> and next year your app supports thunderbird 13 because it is allowed to then
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> min version is 3.something iirc
[09:38] <AlanBell> would my thunderbird reject the plugin because it doesn't understand the max version?
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I see. Dunno.
[09:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer decides to do some more testing later.
[10:11]  * ball is using a Webcam in Chippenham to test some application servers
[11:27] <ikonia> ball: you're reasonably local to me
[11:34] <ball> ikonia: Where are you?
[11:38] <popey> O_O
[11:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:39] <MooDoo> morning
[11:39] <bigcalm> popey: is that you jetlagged face?
[11:39] <popey> hah, no jetlag here
[11:39] <popey> \o/
[11:39] <bigcalm> Yet
[11:40] <ball> ikonia: Where are you?
[11:42] <ball> I'll brb.
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Melatonin FTW!
[12:29] <DJones> Whoever has got the remote control for the heating, please use it and turn it up a few notches
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1 DJones - I have just donned my old baggy jumper
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I refuse to heat the whole house when there's just me in one room.
[12:31] <DJones> I'm not quite that cold, but I think the jumper will be needed when I go out for dinner
[12:55] <DJones> Anybody interested in HP Touchpads, if your a registered webOS developer you can get a 32Gb Touchpad for £130 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html
[12:59] <ali12341> hmm i might be one of those
[13:00] <diplo> Got to be pre-registered DJones ?
[13:00] <diplo> Loading page now
[13:00] <diplo> but internet here is sssssooooooooo slooow
[13:00] <DJones> I picked the report up about it from here http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/07/hp_offers_devs_cheap_touchpad_tablets/
[13:01] <DJones> "Signing up for a Developer Account is free, though you'll need a PayPal account"
[13:01] <DJones> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_user&view=login&signup
[13:03] <diplo> cheers
[13:03] <diplo> may sign up just to try
[13:03] <diplo> :)
[13:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is quite pleased with his touchpad.
[13:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to getting CM7 or 9 on it though.
[13:11] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, the irony is there are more touchpad apps than android tablet apps, since there are more webos tablets than android tablets sold
[13:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:11] <directhex> HP are accidentally #2 in the market behind apple
[13:12] <ali12341> what is that i don't even
[13:13] <ali12341> how many touchpad apps are there?
[13:13] <AlanBell> defining tablet to be a fondleslab that isn't a phone?
[13:13] <bigcalm> What's the native app language for WebOS tablet apps?
[13:14] <ali12341> html5?
[13:15] <bigcalm> Then that might contribute to there being more apps for WebOS
[13:16] <ali12341> why?
[13:16] <bigcalm> A lot of web devs know HTML/CSS. We don't really need to learn Objective C or Java
[13:17] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/jonlech/status/110598881049452545
[13:17] <bigcalm> :D
[13:18] <bigcalm> Well, the linux desktop ideal is slowly getting there
[13:18] <bigcalm> But I agree with that tweet
[13:18] <ali12341> desktop is dead
[13:18] <bigcalm> Long live the desktop!
[13:24] <bigcalm> Why am I struggling to find a document holder? Are they not called that?
[13:25] <DJones> You mean something like this http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=ppwl&cp=15&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=document+holder&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1154&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15542777574166386784&sa=X&ei=M9y3TojvBorNhAeLh7ixBA&sqi=2&ved=0CHsQ8wIwAQ
[13:26] <bigcalm> Yes. Except I need one with a g-clamp as I've run out of desk space
[13:26] <DJones> If it is, probably better looking for "desktop copyholder"
[13:26] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[13:27] <DJones> Heh http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Copyholder-K62066/dp/B00006B8MX/ref=pd_sbs_op_19
[13:28] <bigcalm> Think it would attach to a TFT?
[13:29] <DJones> Looks like it needs a decent sized area to stick onto, TFT I've got in front of me only has about 2cm's depth on the side of the case
[13:30] <DJones> There is this http://www.amazon.com/3M-Mounted-Holder-Capacity-DH445/dp/B00006IA8S/ref=pd_sbs_op_3
[13:33] <DJones> When you search doe flat panel mount copyholder, seems to be loads of them
[13:33] <DJones> s/doe/for
[13:33] <bigcalm> Lunch time is here. Might pop out and have a look around Staples
[13:36] <DJones> \o/ After the complete farce of new software providers saying that their system would do things and then finding out they wouldn't/couldn't, we've abandoned the system, lets see if we get any money back (although we do have a recorded conversation between their directors & ours admitting they'd mis-sold it)
[13:38] <diplo> DJones, good luck, we went through that for months/years trying to get back 80k
[13:39] <Myrtti> what is the current going price for webhosting for a small website that needs a) php b) mysql c) shell access with vi/vim and d) allows phpBB2 to be run in it?
[13:39] <popey> hehe, that was all good till you said d)
[13:40] <MooDoo> Myrtti: small vps from bitfolk?
[13:40] <Myrtti> popey: d) is because I'm lazy and I have limited amounts of patience to try to migrate to phpBB3 without handhelding
[13:40] <diplo> Shared hosting is going to be cheaper MooDoo ?
[13:40] <diplo> I pay £4.50 a month for 150gb disc space/unlimited data
[13:40] <DJones> diplo: I can believe it, luckily all our conversations are recorded and we've got mutiple recordings with admitting they sold us a product that wouldn't work & that they'd sacked teh sales rep
[13:41] <Myrtti> mind you, the discussion forum does have traffic instead of being stagnant
[13:41] <diplo> heh we were employing the guy who sold us it and it still went to court
[13:41] <DJones> Ouch
[13:41] <diplo> Yep, these people don't like giving up ( well this compnay )
[13:42] <Myrtti> that didn't make much sense
[13:42] <diplo> I use GoDaddy atm Myrtti as I said it's cheaper, hosted in the EU
[13:43] <Myrtti> 2800 registered users, 226688 messages, seven years running
[13:43] <diplo> 2800 registered, but how many active :)
[13:44] <diplo> I've got 400-500 members of my forums, with 10 active now :D
[13:44] <diplo> of=on
[13:45] <Oli> popey (or other EMEA council bod): any news on when the 1st's membership meeting has been postponed to yet?
[13:46] <popey> Oli: uhm. I am not on it anymore, ask czajkowski
[13:46] <Oli> Oh right, my bad. Is that (your not being on it) recent?
[13:47] <popey> fairly, yes
[13:48] <Myrtti> diplo: ask again in a few hours, users are either at work or doing something else important at the moment, the peak comes after six o'clock
[13:48] <Myrtti> diplo: only four at the moment
[13:48] <diplo> heh
[13:49] <diplo> yeah I don't have to watch load anymore, made life a lot easier..
[13:49] <diplo> All because we all got old / had kids / no time.
[13:49] <czajkowski> Oli: just finding out now, we were all at UDS last week.
[13:51] <Oli> czajkowski: Thanks
[13:54] <czajkowski> Oli: we'll contact the applicants when we figure out a day, alternatively you can add your name to the Americas board if that is sooner ok.
[13:55]  * Laney just slipped on a pile of Ubuntu CDs
[14:01] <funkyHat> Ubuntu CDs -- the new bananas?
[14:04]  * Laney writes to hanna barbera
[14:07] <ali12341> i think it's trying to snow
[14:14] <dwatkins> it can't be that cold, surely?
[14:15] <Myrtti> whoop.
[14:15] <popey> erk
[14:48] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:48] <daubers> Is there a summary of all the big decisions made at UDS somewhere?
[14:48] <MooDoo> how tall are you popey ?
[14:49] <NET||abuse> Hi folks, having a weird time with 11.10, using 11.04 on laptop, and things are great, 11.10 is ok, but got some reaaaly odd stuff
[14:49] <NET||abuse> when you alt-tab you get all the windows of a type up at the same time,
[14:49] <NET||abuse> it's not really very good as it then makes it MORE difficult to switch between windows of that same type wihtout using th emouse
[14:49] <NET||abuse> me == mostlykeyboard guy
[14:50] <NET||abuse> secondly, trying to use the compiz screenshot tool, it's giving the blue overlay for the screenshot selector with the screenshot
[14:51] <NET||abuse> eg.. http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo1.jpg and http://www.ashe-browne.com/tmp/yahoo2.jpg
[14:51] <NET||abuse> You can see yahoo2.jpg has the blueness overlaid on it
[14:51] <NET||abuse> the first is taken with regular PrtScn and cropped in gimp
[14:52] <popey> MooDoo: why?
[14:52] <NET||abuse> popey: he's mesurin yer cofin
[14:52] <MooDoo> popey: lol no saw a pic of the loco council with you and czajkowski just wondering how tall the other chap is :)
[14:53] <MooDoo> http://www.lczajkowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ADBC3AFB97124FD9B528B1AFD3DCC86B-0000314218-0002618905-00800L-FAE48149541D4D81838FDC52CA1684D1.jpg
[14:54] <jussi> that pic popey's eyes are like a devil...
[14:54] <MooDoo> i just want to be the tallest ubuntu user in the world EVER!! :)
[14:55] <mgdm> popey has stolen my tshirt!
[14:55] <hutch> me 2  (I'm only 5'3") What R my chances?
[14:56] <MooDoo> hehe
[14:56] <awilkins> NET||abuse, With the task switcher, you can break into the list of similar windows by using the down arrow, and move between them with side arrows
[14:56] <mgdm> http://twitpic.com/68x23y <-- me in same tshirt
[14:57] <MooDoo> mgdm: hmmm why is popey wearing your clothes?
[14:57] <NET||abuse> anyway, questions, can i configure any of these things?
[14:57] <mgdm> MooDoo: it's worrying
[14:58] <NET||abuse> awilkins: yeh i saw that, but it sucks as a shortcut, the efort required to context shift into alt-tabbing, and then hit down and left right between windows, it's too different
[14:58] <NET||abuse> so it sucks
[14:59] <NET||abuse> To me it feels like an interface getting in the way
[14:59] <hutch> Is there a way to add dash home to cairo docck and remove side bar?
[15:00] <diplo> NET||abuse, One of the reasons I've been trying Gnome3 :)
[15:01] <NET||abuse> diplo: have you got compiz on gnome3 or does it have it's own compositing window decoration?
[15:01] <nymwar> I'm using Gnome shell on 11.10
[15:01] <diplo> MetacityI belive
[15:01] <diplo> Same here nymwar
[15:01] <nymwar> AFAIK it doesn't use compiz
[15:01] <diplo> Metacity
[15:01] <NET||abuse> hmm, anyway, issue at hand is i like the quick box selection in compiz screenshot
[15:02] <NET||abuse> but it's giving me that blue colour
[15:02] <hutch> compiz and metacity are differen't aren't they?
[15:02] <NET||abuse> there's no options to turn off that blue overlay colour it uses in the ccsm config tool
[15:02] <diplo> yeah
[15:02] <NET||abuse> hutch: they have some kind of seperation of roles yeh
[15:03] <diplo> Seems it's replaced by Mutter not metacity
[15:03] <hutch> k
[15:03] <diplo> ah, Mutter = Metacity+Clutter :)
[15:03] <ali12341> NET||abuse: that's a known bug/race condition
[15:04] <NET||abuse> ali12341: ah, so no fix currently?
[15:04] <ali12341> the overlaw box doesn't disappear fast enough before the screenshot is taken, because for some reason copiz unity goes *really* slow on oneiric
[15:04] <hutch> I'm waiting for mint to come out to try Gnome 3 alongside ubuntu
[15:04] <NET||abuse> ali12341: really, wow, that sucks,
[15:04] <NET||abuse> come on Canonical, get your shiiiiiii....p in order
[15:05]  * NET||abuse forgot i have backspace
[15:06] <ali12341> dragging windows between desktops is painful
[15:06] <nymwar> agree
[15:06] <ali12341> redraws about 1 frame per second, tries to snap to everything or half miximize
[15:07] <ali12341> it wouldn't be so bad if the window placement was sensible or if it was possible to open windows when something is fullsreen on the left monitor
[15:07] <nymwar> I think there's still some way to go before Unity is really usable
[15:07] <hamitron> hopefully 5 months
[15:07] <hamitron> ;)
[15:07] <NET||abuse> it's usable, just has some,      character, yeh that's it
[15:08] <hutch> lol
[15:08] <ali12341> it's usable if you have infinite patience
[15:08] <hamitron> for someone with very little, that counts me out :/
[15:08] <ali12341> it gets frustrating when you are trying to do something on a deadline though
[15:09] <nymwar> My gripes would be: easy ability to disable global menu, better workspace management, ability to change the position of the dock
[15:09] <hamitron> I think I will find Unity better than expected
[15:10] <hamitron> I've heard so much against it, I'm expecting the worst when I switch ;)
[15:10] <nymwar> there also seems to be a tendency for things to maximize involuntarily
[15:10] <hutch> I want to add dash home to cairo dock and remove side bar but can't move dash yet
[15:10] <ali12341> it has started hiding fullscreen windows now for somer eason
[15:10] <ali12341> never seen that before
[15:10] <hamitron> :/
[15:18] <directhex> i'm trying the wife on gnome shell.
[15:20] <KrisDouglas> Hello
[15:20] <KrisDouglas> I've switched to Unity 2D (on an NVidia 9600GT 1GB w/ binary drivers) and the system is about 80% faster.
[15:21] <KrisDouglas> Im sure this isn't a good thing.
[15:21] <daubers> directhex: You make it sound like a form of medication
[15:21] <directhex> daubers, given her system is an atom netbook, it's more like massochism
[15:22] <mgdm> it didn't work all that well on my netbook
[15:22] <mgdm> the fans spent much of their time on
[15:26] <ali12341> i keep hearing about how compositing desktops are so much faster because they offload work to the GPU
[15:27] <ali12341> but there's one thing a GPU doesn't have and that is process management
[15:27] <ali12341> so as soon as you have more than one thing using it, it grinds to a halt
[15:27] <directhex> aha "don't run a bitcoin miner and fallout 3 at the same time"
[15:27] <directhex> AKA, even
[15:28] <ali12341> more like "don't try to run fallout 3 and compiz at the same time"
[15:29] <ali12341> brb switching to unity2d
[15:29] <Myrtti> oh come on Ubuntu, you can do it, all I did was press page down in my irssi...
[15:30]  * Myrtti kicks the tablet a bit
[15:30] <Myrtti> and now it crashes?
[15:32] <ali1234> this is significantly faster
[15:33] <ali1234> unfortunately there's no panel on the second monitor, so no way to unmaximize windows or access their menus
[15:40] <popey> I played with a demo of unity on 6 screens at UDS
[15:41] <ali1234> this isn't unity this is unity2d
[15:42] <ali1234> need to reboot for updates
[15:43] <hamitron> Dev: "ewwww, 2d, not working on that"
[15:44] <AlanBell> unity2d is really really similar to unity 3d
[15:45] <AlanBell> in fact, I flipped into 2d by accident and it took a couple of days before I bothered to investigate why the grid maximise thing wasn't working
[15:45] <oimon1> is ther a way to get suspend/resume working with nvidia drivers? worked with nouveau 2d drivers but not proprietary ones
[15:46] <Myrtti> is the friday night comedy special BBC4 podcast available only in UK? I think my gpodder is chocking on it
[15:47] <popey> Myrtti: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/fricomedy/rss.xml
[15:47] <popey> that one?
[15:48] <Myrtti> looks about right, I got it from gpodder.net, it's quite high on the toplist
[15:51] <MooDoo> christel: you causing netsplit issues again ;)
[15:52] <Myrtti> MooDoo: it seems to have not been limited to freenode only
[15:52] <MooDoo> woohoo :S
[15:52] <Myrtti> atleast foonet and by some rumours efnet were effected as well
[15:53] <Myrtti> so there must have been a great disturbance in the force
[15:55] <Myrtti> oh man, and my unity crashes again. or compiz. or whatever
[15:56] <christel> MooDoo:  http://blog.phyber.com/level3-outage-likely-juniper-bug
[15:56] <christel> ;)
[15:57] <MooDoo> ;)
[16:41] <ali1234> that bunch of updates i just did seems to have really improved the speed problems
[16:42] <ali1234> or maybe it is just because i rebooted
[16:44] <popey> mgdm: threadless have free shipping for orders over 50 USD!
[16:44] <mgdm> popey: !
[16:44] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[16:44] <popey> i just got their spam
[16:44] <popey> very welcome spam it is!
[16:46] <bigcalm> I got Subway spam saying that it was a double points Monday. But didn't get to go because Hayley is off sick :(
[16:46] <mgdm> talking of spam, guess who I still get (unwelcome) spa from?
[16:46] <bigcalm> Still?
[16:46] <mgdm> Yes.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Ugh
[16:46] <bigcalm> popey: did you manage to stop the Adobe spam?
[16:47] <mgdm> I resorted to the MTA
[16:47] <popey> i block that now
[16:47] <bigcalm> mgdm: bounce it back to them?
[16:47] <mgdm> Yeah, I do
[16:48] <mgdm> well, with a 550 'Bog off' type response
[16:48] <bigcalm> :)
[16:48] <bigcalm> popey: so are you working from home full time now?
[16:51] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[16:51] <bigcalm> Aha. You can join us for a workplace day in Wolverhampton on the 17th then ;)
[16:52] <popey> hah
[16:52] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, is davmor2 still alive?
[16:52] <popey> yeah
[16:52] <popey> I met mrs davmor2 too
[16:52] <DJones> popey: Will you get one of the shiny "canonical" cloaks for irc
[16:53] <MooDoo> popey: did you give her a hug for putting up with davmor2 ;)
[16:53] <popey> nah, I'll keep my ubuntu one I reckon
[16:53] <popey> MooDoo: my first words were "oh, I'm sorry"
[16:53] <MooDoo> hehe
[16:54] <bigcalm> :D
[17:01] <mgdm> Am I the only one who thinks this whole Olympic torch relay thing is gigantic waste of time/effort/money/energy/all of the above?
[17:02] <popey> s/torch relay//
[17:02] <bigcalm> Oh you cynic ;)
[17:03] <AlanBell> mgdm: http://twitter.com/#!/grumpygamemaker
[17:03] <mgdm> popey: well, yes, but I was just reading about them taking a burning stick to various bits of the UK
[17:04] <mgdm> AlanBell: hah! Nice :)
[17:05] <bigcalm> AlanBell: you?
[17:05] <AlanBell> I couldn't possibly say
[17:05] <bigcalm> :)
[17:06] <DJones> mgdm:
[17:06] <DJones> https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/133542278642937857
[17:06] <mgdm> heheh
[17:10]  * DJones digs out the sat nav & map after hearing that the motorway home has been closed until midnight after a serious accident
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> DJones: google maps \o/
[17:13] <mgdm> DJones: M56?
[17:13] <DJones> Yep
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> looks bad on the googles
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> more north/east than south/westbound though
[17:15] <DJones> Yeah, from what I've heard/read, HGV came off a road going above the M56 & crashed down onto the carriagway, cars then crashed into that, air ambulance in attendance
[17:15] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15628177
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> You're not having a good week on the motorways in England
[17:15] <DJones> I go down that slip road every work day
[17:59] <bigcalm> Can you give a <br /> a class?
[18:08] <mgdm> bigcalm: probably, but... why? :)
[18:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] Bansheegeddon - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/398/
[18:14] <bigcalm> mgdm: hide the line break from desktop sites and only show on mobiles
[18:17] <AlanBell> directhex: I suggest you add an item to the community council agenda requesting them to review the way the default apps decision process works
[18:18] <mgdm> bigcalm: Hmm
[18:20] <bigcalm> mgdm: it's a horrible idea I know :)
[18:22] <mgdm> rather :)
[18:24] <bigcalm> Right now I'm trying to work out where about 300px of rhs padding it coming from. Makes the mobile version look silly
[18:24] <mgdm> its' not to do with the viewport size and initial scale and all that?
[18:25] <bigcalm> Newp
[18:25] <bigcalm> The issue is only present on some pages
[18:28] <bigcalm> Found it :)
[18:28]  * bigcalm slaps a position:absolute; element
[18:30] <bigcalm> Just noticed that it's half past home time
[18:50] <Guntorian> hai
[18:50] <Guntorian> anyone here to help me please
[18:50] <AlanBell> hi Guntorian
[18:50] <Guntorian> Hello
[18:50] <Guntorian> I need some help
[18:51] <Guntorian> I got an acer aspire 6935g
[18:51] <Guntorian> and now im setting up a second moniter
[18:51] <Guntorian> apart from the one on the laptop
[18:51] <Guntorian> but im not sue how
[18:51] <Guntorian> sure*
[18:52] <AlanBell> just plug it in, and run the displays application, should be able to arrange them how you want there
[18:52] <AlanBell> is it Ubuntu 11.10?
[18:52] <Guntorian> yes
[18:52] <Guntorian> it doesnt seem to be finding it
[18:53] <Guntorian> when I started up the laptop and has to pick windows or ubuntu it showed
[18:53] <Guntorian> but once ubuntu started it hasnt worked
[18:54] <Guntorian> hello?
[18:54] <AlanBell> just researching it a bit . . .
[18:55] <Guntorian> ok np
[18:55] <AlanBell> got any keyboard shortcuts like fn+f5 to turn it on?
[18:56] <Guntorian> lemme try ( my internal keyboard is abit broken
[18:58] <Guntorian> it worked
[18:59] <Guntorian> but it came on
[18:59] <Guntorian> and went off
[18:59] <Guntorian> but now the led is blue not yellow of the monitor
[19:00] <Guntorian> if I unplug the vga and put it back in the monitor comes on for like 1 second
[19:00] <Guntorian> ._.
[19:05] <AlanBell> is it perhaps set to a resolution the monitor can't support?
[19:06] <AlanBell> gone!
[19:17] <celesteh> hello, i am trying to install the remix os, which is an ubuntu fork
[19:18] <celesteh> the download link on the official looking website links to a webpage that's all in russian and it seems a bit dodgy
[19:18] <AlanBell> err, don't do that then
[19:19] <celesteh> i guess there's not an easy way to tell if the site has been hacked?
[19:20] <directhex> you'd need to ask the creators of that distribution
[19:21] <celesteh> Are the on freenode?
[19:22] <AlanBell> I have never heard of the distribution
[19:22] <celesteh> i just got a new computer (switching from mac) and wanted to run puredyne, but that distro is too old for a new laptop
[19:22]  * AlanBell has never heard of that either
[19:23] <AlanBell> if you have any Ubuntu questions we might be able to help :)
[19:23] <celesteh> i tried ubuntu studio earlier, but it seems to be mostly aimed at video and not audio
[19:23] <celesteh> they're ubuntu forks. sorry, for being offtopic
[19:24] <celesteh> it's my understanding that ubuntu cannot deal with real-time audio production without changing the kernel because it glitches?
[19:26] <BigRedS> yeah, there was a real-time kernel I thought?
[19:26] <mgdm> celesteh: depends what you're trying to do
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> WOW - Look at this graph of a hdd price: http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CamelEgg1.png
[19:26] <celesteh> supercollider and ardour, mostly
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently it will get worse too: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/103711-hdd-pricewatch-you-know-where-its-going-we-tell-you-how-much-its-going-to-hurt
[19:28] <AlanBell> what is happening to SSD prices?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> not much change
[19:28] <AlanBell> oh, last paragraph, not much
[19:28] <daubers> Evening
[19:30] <bigcalm> Morning
[19:31] <celesteh> so where / how do i get a real time kernel?  (sorry for being a noob)
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> celesteh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[19:32] <celesteh> ta, checking that out
[19:42] <awilkins> SSD prices are dropping a bit
[19:43] <awilkins> And with the HD price going up, the sweetspot price for a HD (GB / £) will now buy you a reasonably sized SSD
[19:44] <awilkins> No good for mass media storage but 128GB SSDs are practical for system drives (even for Windows)
[19:56] <daubers> awilkins: I wouldn't expect ssds to stay as they are for long. I'd expect them to go up a little bit if anything
[19:57] <awilkins> daubers, Yeah. Someone will go "hey, people are still willing to overpay for storage..."
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> this might be a trigger for SSD adoption
[19:57] <Guntorian> Is anyone here to help me set up my dual monitor
[19:57] <daubers> awilkins: That or the demand for them goes up and they won't be able to meet it (which is industry prediction at the moment)
[19:57] <awilkins> Arsebiscuits
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> if you need storage, by now, or wait until next July
[19:58] <awilkins> I'll probably wait
[19:58] <daubers> or buy last week and sell now
[19:58] <Guntorian> hello?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I'll get my Delorean
[19:58] <daubers> Guntorian: Sorry, I only have a single monitor setup
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: though I could probably fit more shipping containers in a TARDIS
[19:59] <Guntorian> anyone?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: please just explain the problem
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: if anyone thinks they can help they will
[20:00] <Guntorian> ok
[20:00] <Guntorian> I got an acer aspire 6935g
[20:00] <Guntorian> and now I set up a monitor to it
[20:00] <Guntorian> the Hyundai l91A
[20:01] <Guntorian> and its not recognising it
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> what kind of graphics card does it have/
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Intel? Nvidia? At?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> ati?
[20:01] <Guntorian> nvidia
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: some NVidia cards only recognise external monitors if they're connected before the machine is started
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: also, you need to use the nvidia-settings tool
[20:02] <Guntorian> the monitor was connected b4
[20:02] <Guntorian> how do I use that
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors
[20:04] <Guntorian> I already have recommended installed
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: that second page explains how to set up a multi-monitor setup
[20:06] <Guntorian> ok
[20:06] <Guntorian> I got to the nvidia place
[20:06] <Guntorian> but I got one problem
[20:06] <Guntorian> what is twin monitor or seperate x screen
[20:06] <_jane> wg
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it's explained on the web page
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors#Differences
[20:08] <Guntorian> im not understand seperate x screen
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it allows you to run two completely separate desktops (programs can't move from one screen to the other)
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: it's probably not what you want
[20:09] <Guntorian> oh thanks
[20:10] <Guntorian> when I hit apply it only works for 1 second
[20:13] <Guntorian> hmm?
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Guntorian: I don't know anything about nvidia drivers
[20:13] <Guntorian> uhh
[20:14] <Guntorian> omg ._>
[20:14] <Guntorian> it like comes on for 1 second
[20:14] <Guntorian> then leaves
[20:14] <Guntorian> not even windows has this problem usually
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> well nvidia + linux isn't the best combo ever
[20:15] <Guntorian> I noticed
[20:16] <Guntorian> brb
[20:23] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: as far as I know nvidia proprietary drivers are the best drivers right now
[20:23] <Azelphur> second to probably the open source ati drivers
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: For some things (3d) yes
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for other things (randr) no
[20:24] <Pernig> my computer is too loud with nouveau drivers :P
[20:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:25] <ali1234> xrandr is almost completely useless
[20:25] <mgdm> I've never had an Ubuntu release where the applet for changing the monitor layout has worked, I've always had to use the xrandr command from the CLI
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except when you connect a second screen and need to configure it
[20:25] <mgdm> the applet freezes X
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: weird, it's worked for me on ATI and Intel for years
[20:26] <mgdm> Both the laptops affected have ATI chips
[20:26] <mgdm> there were bugs filed by other people, I'm not sure if they got looked at
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> free or proprietary drivers
[20:26] <mgdm> I tried both until I decided just to live with the xrandr command
[20:28] <ali1234> unless you are using nvidia, then you use nvidia-settings and it is a lot more likely to work properly than xrandr
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except not
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: the number of people I've had to help because they couldn't get their nvidia laptops to use the projector
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Intel > * on Linux
[20:30] <ali1234> that's great for laptops
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> (in terms of support, not in terms of 3D speed or anything)
[20:30] <ali1234> but who uses those?
[20:30] <AlanBell> intel kind of just works for me, but occasionally decides that I want to mirror displays
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Everyone.
[20:31] <ali1234> they don't just randomly pick what to support
[20:31]  * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell the fillet knife, to fillet a bug
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: NVidia does.
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: "If it's older than 2 years you're SOL"
[20:31] <ali1234> they support the things that most people want
[20:32] <ali1234> such as proper 3d acceleration and easy dual head support
[20:32] <ali1234> the only thing intel has going to it is open drivers that don't crash and low power usage
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> and don't make users cry when connecting to a projector ;)
[20:33] <ali1234> yeah... as long as the width of projector + width of internal display < 2048
[20:33] <ali1234> not that it will tell you this... it just fails to work
[20:34] <AlanBell> only if the max texture size is 2048, which it is on some atom chipsets
[20:34] <ali1234> or does something random like set the internal and external displays to mirror and also be 320x240
[20:34] <AlanBell> and if it is then it should fall back to 2d mode
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> I've heard they fixed that
[20:34] <ali1234> crashing compiz in the process?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> and made it 4096?
[20:35] <ali1234> it is a hardware limitation
[20:35] <ali1234> maybe they fixed it in newer chipsets
[20:35] <ali1234> doesn't help me much though
[20:35] <ali1234> otoh nvidia dual head works flawlessly
[20:35] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: they fixed compiz starting to run if the screen size was equal to max texture size
[20:35]  * AlanBell has a 2048px wide monitor
[20:36] <AlanBell> newer chipsets have a much wider max texture size
[20:47]  * MartijnVdS can't wait for Ivy Bridge
[20:50] <Pernig> hopefully the motherboards won't get recalled this time
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> they won't make the same mistake twice
[20:52] <BigRedS> they might make a different one :)
[20:52] <BigRedS> Oh, MartijnVdS you're perly. you coming to the LPW this weekend?
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> No
[20:54] <BigRedS> ah, fair enough
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> already went to YAPC::EU and $boss won't pay for both
[20:55] <BigRedS> I was hoping for more face-to-name links
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> I'll probably be at FOSDEM
[22:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Active Traffic Management - http://zrmt.com/2011/11/07/active-traffic-management-2/
[23:10]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[23:10] <popey> I'll delete the page I made then
[23:12] <AlanBell> so multiple people can make the same page?
[23:12]  * AlanBell just made +ubuntu
[23:12] <popey> fool
[23:12] <popey> jono already made one
[23:13] <AlanBell> yeah
[23:13] <popey> probably best to check first
[23:13] <AlanBell> I just wanted to find out what happened if you create a page that is already taken, didn't expect it to work
[23:13] <AlanBell> was expecting an interesting error message
[23:14] <popey> right, deleted the ubuntu-uk one I made
[23:14] <popey> (two hours ago)
[23:16] <AlanBell> sorry, I was travelling :)
[23:16] <popey> I'd remove the ubuntu one to reduce confusion
[23:19] <AlanBell> done
[23:23] <celesteh> hello, i'm wondering how do i tell if I should install the 64-bit (AMD) kernel or the other one?
[23:24] <hamitron> do you know what cpu you have?
[23:24] <hamitron> and how much memory
[23:26] <celesteh> it's a new machine (and I'm new to ubuntu, so i know it has 8 gigs of ram, but i don't remember what processor it has. I've booted the ubuntu live cd. is there a command someplace that prints out this information?
[23:27] <hamitron> then you will want the AMD64 version
[23:27] <mgdm> celesteh: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:29] <celesteh> how do i open the terminal? (sorry, i don't see it on the sidebar)
[23:30] <celesteh> ah, found it
[23:32] <celesteh> what, in particular, ami looking for in that information?
[23:33] <celesteh> it's an intel. is the 64 bit for AMD only?
[23:36] <hamitron> celesteh, no, AMD made the standard
[23:41] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/110834053865602900585/110834053865602900585/posts G+ page for the UK team I think
[23:41] <popey> AlanBell: seen the epic fail on linux format cover?
[23:41] <popey> that url doesn't look right
[23:42] <popey> http://www.hudzilla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102685
[23:42] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110834053865602900585/posts
[23:42] <popey> cover of linux format has a headline about women in linux, and uses "XY.org" as a headline
[23:43] <AlanBell> genetics fail
[23:43]  * hamitron got bored with LXF
[23:44] <hamitron> decided to buy a few good books, rather than spend £60
[23:44] <hamitron> has it improved since?
[23:45] <hamitron> since 2006 I mean
[23:45] <hamitron> ;/
[23:45] <popey> conversely this latest issue of Computer Active has 40 pages about Ubuntu in it
[23:45] <hamitron> prob more than Linux Format :/
[23:46] <popey> hah
[23:46] <hamitron> tbh, it wasn't a bad read that bugged me
[23:46] <hamitron> jsut the huge cost, and them tutorials always left me wanting more
[23:47] <hamitron> so had to go buy books anyway :/
[23:47] <celesteh> hamitron: ta!
[23:48] <hamitron> np :)


[00:17] <nixternal_> nalioth: ping-a-ling
[00:22] <nalioth> nixternal_: dong-a-long
[00:23] <nixternal_> woot, you are here
[00:24] <nixternal_> hey, what is the IP for nixternal?
[00:24] <nixternal_> comcast is starting to piss me off switching my IP around
[00:24] <nixternal_> I have my homework on the server my irssi is running at home, and I need to turn it in :)
[00:25] <nixternal> thank you nalioth!
[01:22] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:25] <nalioth> klined
[01:53] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:53] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:53] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:54] <nalioth> klined
[02:02] <jdong> could I get klined some time for fun and curiousity?
[02:02] <jdong> I've always wondered what actually happens :D
[02:02] <Seeker`> jdong: Imagine being banned from a channel, but with a network instead
[02:02] <Seeker`> I suspect
[02:03] <PriceChild> jdong: you get a little message, and can't reconnect?
[02:03] <jdong> Seeker`: pfft it's no fun hearing about it...
[02:03] <jdong> PriceChild: well I figure it's something like that
[02:42]  * nickrud points nalioth at jdong
[02:57] <ubot3> In ubot3, ubotu said: protonchris wants you to know: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[02:57] <nalioth> lovely
[02:58] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[03:01] <Seeker`> is Pelo no longer an op?
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> not on the list
[03:03] <LjL> he's not an op
[03:03] <LjL> he'd rather concentrate on support
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> good for him
[03:05] <Seeker`> fair enough
[03:06] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:07] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:07] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:07] <Seeker`> looks like it only got 1 person
[03:09] <Seeker`> LjL: uppp just got muted by floodbot, cant really see why
[03:09] <LjL> Seeker`: he repeated the same message ("yes") twice, that gives you three points instead of just one in the flood count
[03:09] <nickrud> too many enters in a row
[03:09] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[03:09] <Seeker`> fair enough
[03:09] <LjL> but yes, that's probably overzealous
[03:10] <LjL> i'll look at it
[03:10] <Seeker`> how many "points" are you allowed?
[03:10] <LjL> 4 lines before a warn, 6 before a mute
[03:10] <LjL> line=point
[03:10] <LjL> certain kinds of lines give you more points
[03:10] <nickrud> not really, he'd had like 12 lines while all the rest of the channel had 5 0r 6
[03:11] <nickrud> hyperbole , but still got his attention
[03:12] <LjL> nickrud: ok, but if you look at the timestamps, the actual "flood" really started at the "yes".
[03:12] <LjL> the other lines were too far back.
[03:13] <LjL> so it's simply not doing what i intended it to do
[03:13] <LjL> in this case it might have done the right thing anyway, but if it's coincidence, that doesn't help
[03:13] <nickrud> LjL ah, I thought it wasn't overzealous, but should have told him why
[04:12] <tritium> Hobbsee: what's the background on the CC Agenda item?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> tritium: paladine disagrees with emma's ban, as he disagrees with the general definition of spam, like emma does.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> tritium: and they don't like the irc council decision about allowing irseek, so are appealing that to the CC too
[04:13] <Amaranth> Whee
[04:13] <Hobbsee> i can undersatnd them.  If you have such a strange definition of spam, and don't agree with ours, then sure, i could see how it could be an abuse of power
[04:14] <Hobbsee> however, seeing as their definition of spam also allows all spam email to be classed as non-spam, i'm afraid we can't agree with their definition.
[04:14] <tritium> Hobbsee: I see.  Thanks.
[04:14] <Amaranth> It doesn't help that Paladine is feels like he is entitled to things because "he fights the good fight"
[04:15] <Amaranth> But I'm going to get myself in trouble
[04:15] <Hobbsee> i'm sure most people fight the good fight.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> The crux of the problem is the different definitions of spam.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Once you actually define a correct definition of spam (or at least, what the CC regards as spam), it should all fall through pretty quickly.
[04:16] <tritium> I'll try to attend to lend my support.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> if it turns out that the irc council definition of spam *is* wrong, then i expect they'll throw out the council and start again.
[04:19] <tritium> I'd not expect that to happen.
[04:19] <nickrud> I see no date, is that correct or is it scheduled and the page not updated?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> that's correct.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> they're planning one at some point
[04:23] <DBO> ping elkbuntu
[04:23] <elkbuntu> DBO, pong?
[04:23] <Amaranth> DBO: bug fixed
[04:23] <DBO> how active are you in Ubuntu these days?
[04:23] <DBO> Amaranth, fantastic!
[04:23] <DBO> Amaranth, you can help too =)
[04:23] <Amaranth> well, the dh_strip stuff anyway
[04:23] <elkbuntu> DBO, not terribly. why?
[04:23] <DBO> you still doing the loco stuff?
[04:24] <Amaranth> apparently they may be some other problem that is still breaking the shadows
[04:24] <DBO> eep
[04:24] <elkbuntu> DBO, on what level do you mean?
[04:25] <DBO> well I was thinking to myself today, what a fine laptop I have.  It occurs to me the lot of us, not just me, owe System76 a thank you of sorts.    It's either that, a Dell with Ubuntu, or a Lenovo with SuSE (to be converted to Ubuntu)
[04:28] <DBO> tonyyarusso, the 76 has been wonderful so far
[04:28] <Amaranth> The System76 guys seem to bend over backwards to help too
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> DBO: If you can get them to rectify doctormo's issue by the end of next week, I may be able to be talked into Planetifying something ;)
[04:28] <DBO> they also do crazy things like overnight posters and stickers to loco parties
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> yes, I need to put in my poster order this weekend
[04:29] <tritium> DBO: which model did you get?
[04:29] <DBO> tonyyarusso, fair enough.  I will come back when I have had a chance to talk to more people.  But I am hoping to get something organized for middle of May
[04:29] <DBO> tritium, a Gazelle Performance
[04:30] <tritium> Gazelle, or Serval?
[04:32] <DBO> Gazelle
[04:34] <tritium> Just checking, since their website now calls it the Gazelle "Value"
[04:35] <DBO> the Performance is the version of the Gazelle with a nvidia card
[04:36] <tritium> Ah.
[04:37] <tritium> I wish they'd refresh their offerings.
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> me too, although I'm sure rechecking all of the hardware is a pain.
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Maybe they'll have some new hardware to match the new software version.
[05:40] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is that? . I can't find a Renfield and send us the civilization. " "Okay " - The ord ers had to open my cd key was used too many assumprtions about HTML to parse excel csv's
[05:44] <elkbuntu> o.O
[05:44] <elkbuntu> ok, does *anyone* understand that?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> no
[05:45] <nickrud> what, you expect to understand everything ;)
[05:46] <elkbuntu> no, but i expect people trying to get help to.
[05:49] <nickrud> at least it was in /msg . And only a one time thing. Chalk it up to drugs, alcohol or experimentation
[05:54] <nalioth> thunc is an automaton
[05:54] <nalioth> it is designed to troll channels
[05:55] <nalioth> if it's not an automaton, it has scripts in it that make it appear as such
[05:55] <nalioth> but 'troll' is a good description
[05:57] <nickrud> hm. thunc was in the ubuntu channel but didn't seem odd, maybe it fastened onto ubotu by luck
[06:38] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: is when i login. Cause there are thousands of dairies in the Xorg dri module in here the man said, and see an explaination of error code describing the problem helps when asking people to actually talk about shit

[06:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is confused. bot from hell
[06:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: ubotu is a question.  but no, of course, sorry.
[07:22] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is confused.  "Annette! " he calls out, responding to his predicament.
[07:23] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said: ubotu: bot is busted. I'm Jewish
[07:25] <jussio1> oh, please... :/
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> If Seveas were online, ubotu does actually have an ignore list.
[07:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, thunc said:  "When is my sound is automatically muted
[07:29] <jussio1> tonyyarusso: really?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> yeha, it does
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> jussio1: yup indeedy
[07:29] <jussio1> seveas is online, just not here :/ (dont no if active though)
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> prolly not, but it might be worth a msg?
[07:30] <jussio1> actually, he was active 6 mins ago in offtopic... so eah
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> good point
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> Should be taken care of.  Going to bed now.
[07:39] <jussio1> :)
[07:59] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (pyguyy)
[08:00] <Madpilot> why on earth isn't flannel an op yet?
[08:02]  * jussi01 hates it when he gets his syntax wrong :/
[08:59] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[08:59] <ubotu> unop called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[08:59] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood)
[08:59] <ubotu> _Andrew called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:00] <nalioth> klined
[09:00] <Jucato> whew
[09:00] <jussi01> :)
[09:00] <Mez> hehe, and good old floodbot sorted it out anyways
[09:00] <Amaranth> FloodBot takes care of everything
[09:01] <jussi01> wow, that was sme show :/
[09:01] <Amaranth> Bot put us out of work :P
[09:01] <Amaranth> All we have to do is pass things on to freenode staff and ban the occasional moron :)
[09:01] <nalioth> somebody went for the trifecta
[09:01] <Amaranth> ?
[09:02] <Mez> and Amaranth with naloth here, we dont even need to pass it on
[09:02] <nalioth>  #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu
[09:02] <Mez> ah
[09:02] <Mez> hehe
[09:02] <Amaranth> ah
[09:02] <Mez> didnt notice the others
[09:44] <hischild> sorry to bug you all, but can someone come over to #ubuntu?
[09:44] <jpatrick> hischild: what's up?
[09:45] <jpatrick> oh, I see
[09:45] <hischild> 1 idiot giving useless advice and the other being annoying.
[09:46] <jpatrick> looks like nal's on the case :)
[09:46] <hischild> i have no idea who has ops there so i just came to bug you =)
[09:46] <hischild> thanks
[09:47] <jpatrick> hischild: see: /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu list
[09:48] <jpatrick> but, here is a good place too
[09:48] <hischild> those with access 10 are ops?
[09:48] <jpatrick> yes
[09:48] <jpatrick> 10 and above
[09:48] <hischild> ok tnx
[09:54] <ubotu> Chousuke called the ops in #ubuntu (pat5star)
[09:55] <Amaranth> Known person?
[09:55] <Amaranth> Oh, I see.
[09:55] <Madpilot> general stupidity, esp with bash commands
[09:55] <elkbuntu> nick does ring a bell...
[09:55] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[09:58] <elkbuntu> and for a reason, he was around about a fortnight ago for trying to debate who started ubuntu
[10:00] <jpatrick>  /whois sabdfl
[10:02] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:12] <stdin> Karl is apparently /msg'ing random stuff
[10:13] <stdin> *Kral
[10:15] <jpatrick> well, staff can be /msg'ed at any time
[10:15] <jpatrick> and he quit
[10:24] <jpatrick>  /whois pat5star
[10:24] <jpatrick> "channels : #troll ##linux"
[10:25] <Jucato> Born to Troll...
[10:25] <jpatrick> popey: incidently does "Patrick Wallwork" ring a bell?
[10:26] <Jucato> (no.. but "Patrick Davies" does... :P)
[10:29] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Drum)
[10:30] <Amaranth> Sweet FloodBot autobans people who notice the channel?
[10:30] <Madpilot> apparently
 WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from Drum, banned
[10:30] <Madpilot> which country is .lv?
[10:31] <jpatrick> lativa?
[10:31] <stdin> GeoIP Country Edition: LV, Latvia
[10:31] <jpatrick> almost got it :)
[10:32] <Madpilot> jpatrick, close but for actual spelling ;)
[10:32] <Madpilot> 0230 here, I'm going to leave the trolls and spammers to the rest of you. night
 <FloodBot1> WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from Drum, banned <-- shouldnt it kick aswell as ban?
[10:36] <nalioth> the ban quiets
[10:36] <stdin> Mez: floodbots aren't infallible
[10:37] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (dud3)
[10:37] <nalioth> klined
[10:37] <Mez> stdin, I know, but they have the ability to kick
[10:38] <Mez> I was asking cause it would take me about 20 seconds to add it to the code (and 5 minutes to reboot the bot and propagate it's code)
[10:38] <stdin> Mez: it's possible that it was a mistake so they shouldn't be kicked, but it's not normally the case I know
[10:39] <Mez> stdin, they should be banned but not kicked ? *shrugs*
[10:39] <jpatrick>  /remove sounds better
[10:39] <stdin> well ban stops them from sending any more messages, so that leaves it up to an op to decide as the danger is passed
[10:40] <stdin> Mez: I do think that people who do the dcc exploit should be auto kb'd though
[10:40] <Mez> definately, they're currently only banned right?
[10:40] <Amaranth> They are autokilled by nalioth
[10:41] <stdin> FB's currently ban yes, but not /remove
[10:41] <stdin> Amaranth: not always
[10:41] <stdin> I'm not sure if it's even enabled now
[10:41] <Amaranth> stdin: Wanna test? :)
[10:41] <nalioth> Amaranth: not any more
[10:41] <stdin> no thanks ;)
[10:42] <Mez> nalioth, would you be happy for them to be auto-kicked?
[10:43] <nalioth> Mez: who?
[10:43] <Mez> exploiters
[10:43] <nalioth> you mean the DCC gang?
[10:43] <Mez> yeah
[10:44] <nalioth> how accurate will your regex be?
[10:45] <Mez> nalioth, well, you know when it gets a mask to ban for those using the exploit?
[10:46] <Mez> it'll be the nick used on that line, and they'll just be /removed
[10:46] <stdin> in other words, they are already auto-banned by the bots, but would it be ok to follow that with a /remove
[10:48] <nalioth> ah
[10:48] <nalioth> what does it matter, if they can't send to the channel?
[10:50] <Mez> more chance of them causing more mayhem through snarfling the nicklist ?
[10:50] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/sqGtel45.html <-- proposed
[10:52] <nalioth> Mez: if they're in the channel for half a second, they've got the nick list
[10:52] <jussi01> someone tell me where to change the language on gnome? Im on a finnish system and cant remember where it is...
[10:52] <jussi01> whoops, wrong chan... sorry
[10:53] <Mez> nalioth, depends on the client, whether it's an automated attack or not, etc etc.
[10:53] <nalioth> Mez: assume they get it
[10:56] <popey> 10:25:58 <+jpatrick> popey: incidently does "Patrick Wallwork" ring a bell?
[10:56] <popey> no, should it?
[10:59] <Mez> nalioth, never assume. plus removing is sensible on a ban IMO
[11:00] <jpatrick> fun
[11:01] <nalioth> Mez: when tactics are in question, always assume
[11:01] <nalioth> that way, you take all possible vectors into consideration
[11:02] <Mez> nalioth, which server went down there out of curiosity, there were 3 users from my office on 3 different servers and they all got different netsplit messages (though I know it does "Myserver/ irc.freenode.net")
[11:02] <jpatrick> "Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net"
[11:03] <Mez> jpatrick, make that 4 then
[11:03] <Mez> I assume it was some anonymous hub somewhere
[11:05] <spb> it looked from here like a hiccup between two hubs
[11:06] <Mez> spb: strange thing is - apparently efnet had a split at nearly the same time
[11:08] <jpatrick> and blitzed.org
[11:08] <Mez> o_O
[11:08] <Mez> so thats what rm -rf /interweb/irc/links/*
[11:09] <Mez> does
[11:10] <elkbuntu> most major irc networks share datacentres
[11:10] <Mez> yeah,
[11:11]  * Mez guesses it was layer3
[11:11] <Mez> or above.net
[11:11] <Mez> actually, above.net has been having MASSIVE problems of late
[11:52] <jpatrick> tonyyarusso: Klassniy has spammed #kde, #kubuntu, and #ubuntu
[11:52] <jpatrick> tomaw: *
[11:52] <tomaw> nod, just looking into it now
[11:53] <jpatrick> I /remove'd it from those channels after spamage
[11:53] <tomaw> aye
[11:57] <jpatrick> wb Mez
[11:57] <jussi01> afternoon Pricey
[11:58] <Pricey> allo :)
[11:58] <jpatrick> tomaw: did you kill it in the end? /me has too remember to remove bans later
[12:01] <tomaw> jpatrick: I haven't.  He seems to be sitting fairly idle now.
[12:01] <jpatrick> ok
[12:10] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (padonaklox)
[12:11] <jpatrick> tomaw: there he is
[12:11] <tomaw> he's gone
[14:11] <hischild> can anyone put a hold on the useless package discussion on #ubuntu?
[14:11] <Pici> hischild: I'll intervene.
[14:12] <hischild> ty Pici
[14:13] <Pici> hischild: thanks for the heads up.
[14:14] <hischild> Pici, that's what i'm here for. Thanks for the quick action
[14:16] <Piero_Scarufii> Hi, anyone here
[14:16] <PriceChild> Hey Piero_Scarufii, what's up?
[14:16] <Piero_Scarufii> i just wanted to apologize for the workload i caused yesterday
[14:17] <Piero_Scarufii> because today i am fine
[14:17] <Piero_Scarufii> :)
[14:17] <PriceChild> No need to apologise Piero_Scarufii :)
[14:17] <Piero_Scarufii> so Mez you have my permission to interview christel for amarok radio
[14:18] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, I need your permission ?
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> hehe it was a joke
[14:18] <Mez> and it's Radio Amarok
[14:18] <Piero_Scarufii> i wanted to get your attention to apologize to you esp. since i upset you yesterday
[14:18] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, if it was a joke - went way over my head
[14:19] <Piero_Scarufii> i felt sorry for what i did yesterday
[14:19] <Piero_Scarufii> thats all just wanted to say i am sorry for causing so much work
[14:19] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, it wasn't really upset. It was more the fact that I'd spent a long time working on helping you, and then left, and came back an hour or so later, and there were even more issues.
[14:19] <Mez> Piero_Scarufii, but, thankyou, apology accepted (even though an apology wasn't neccesarily needed)
[14:19] <Piero_Scarufii> Ok Mez i was too impatient to notice
[14:20] <Piero_Scarufii> for me it was
[14:20] <Piero_Scarufii> necessary thanks for accepting
[14:20] <Piero_Scarufii> so i go now bu bye :)
[14:20] <Pici> How odd.
[14:20] <Mez> nice though.
[14:20] <LjL> i'm unbanning.
[14:20] <LjL> &wgius piero_scarufii
[14:21]  * Mez has removed from -ot (Seveas placed the ban and isnt going to be here to deal with it anyway)
[14:21] <LjL> -ot?
[14:22] <Mez> -offtopic
[14:22] <Pricey> There was a ban in -offtopic too? When did that happen?!
[14:22] <Pici> Was he in there?
[14:22] <Mez> Pricey, last night, when he insulted Sev out of the blue
[14:23] <Pricey> that football chant thing?
[14:23] <Mez> Pricey, yeah. Sev banned him for that
[14:23] <Pricey> right
[14:23] <LjL> well i see my own ban isn't there, so i guess i'm not removing it
[14:24] <Mez> Seveas is refusing to come back to -ops for a while. so we have to deal with it anyways
[14:24] <Pricey> LjL, I think I removed that one yesterday.
[14:26] <Mez> Pricey, you in your staff role today ?
[14:26] <Pricey> Mez, whatcha need?
[14:26] <Mez> Pricey, daju has been waiting for a cloak in #freenode for ages now ;)
[14:27] <Pricey> Mez, I'll see if he still needs help... knew there was a couple of important channels I forgot to join. Seems like there's a staffer on stats p/voiced in there though.
[14:28] <Mez> Pricey, who's been idling for ages
[14:28] <LjL> staff that's active is unvoiced, you get voiced when you're away, it appears :)
[14:29] <Mez> * [dmwaters] idle 00:50:54, signon: Fri Apr 11 13:34:57
[14:31] <Pricey> although on stats p, hilights always help a lot as we don't follow #freenode religiously
[14:32] <Mez> his name was said a few times ;)
[14:33] <Pricey> okies
[14:51] <LjL> [15:45:40] <sudobash> hey umm.... I have a few questions I would like to Ubuntu... Could you possibly talk to the other admins again.... or remove the ban from #ubuntu-ops
[14:51] <LjL> [15:46:00] <sudobash> to ask in #ubuntu *
[14:51] <LjL> i can't see a ban here, myself... can you check
[14:53] <LjL> ... oh.
[14:53] <LjL> sudobash: here you go. i couldn't find your ban.
[14:54] <sudobash> thank you...
[14:55] <LjL> sudobash, feel free to make your case, i'm listening, and i think so are others
[14:55] <sudobash> I was curious if the ops have decided on a permanent ban or if it not could it be lifted for technical questions pertaining to Ubuntu?
[14:56] <LjL> there is no decision on a permanent ban that i'm aware of
[14:56] <sudobash> I know I was a troll for a day or so but I was having a bad week but that is all over and done for....
[14:57] <sudobash> and if you would lift my ban I can contribute in any way possible
[14:57] <LjL> sudobash: so now you're familiar with the guidelines and CoC, as well as the other subtleties you should keep in mind when being in Ubuntu channels, and are prepared to go according to them?
[14:57] <sudobash> yes
[14:59] <LjL> does anyway see a problem with lifting sudobash's ban?
[14:59] <LjL> anyone
[15:00] <Pricey> nope, its been a while
[15:00] <Pici> sudobash: I'd like to just interject that giving bad advice is also frowned upon.
[15:00] <Pricey> looking at the bantracker, i 'think' he may be on the autoremove..
[15:01] <sudobash> i will go no advice unless i am completely aware of it's intention... but which bad advice are you speaking of?
[15:01] <sudobash> give*
[15:03] <LjL> Pricey: he was.
[15:03] <Pici> sudobash: I can't recall off the top of my head.
[15:03] <LjL> sudobash, you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu. bad advice is thing unsupported by #ubuntu, for instance recommending enabling root, or using automatix, or generally doing things in ways unsupported by the official documentation, and us.
[15:04] <spb> that's quite some definition of 'bad' you have there
[15:05] <LjL> mneptok can probably confirm that definition
[15:06] <hischild> since i'm not sure, i'd like to know if it's ok if i idle in here since i seem to call some of you quite often. If the answer is no, naturally i'll stay at #ubuntu and only join when needed.
[15:06] <Myrtti> See topic
[15:06] <LjL> hischild, currently the policy is that only operators should idle in here, while others should only join when there is a necessity.
[15:06] <hischild> right
[15:07] <LjL> hischild: i think i don't see a problem with you idling here though, at the moment
[15:07] <sudobash> I'm out then.... Thank You Operators...
[15:07] <hischild> well if you want me out feel free to kick me out (don't think i got auto-rejoin on) or just tell me.
[15:09] <hischild> otherwise i'd thank you for letting me stay =)
[15:09]  * Hobbsee doesn't see why, as the logs are close enough to real time anyway...
[21:04] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (guest2008)
[22:43] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:51] <LjL> [23:49:20] <Charitwo> unban me, floodbot is retarded
[22:51] <LjL> [23:49:44] <LjL> hm?
[22:51] <LjL> [23:49:47] <LjL> doesn't want to test you?
[22:51] <LjL> [23:50:06] <Charitwo> what?
[22:51] <LjL> [23:50:30] <LjL> ?
[22:51] <LjL> [23:50:45] <Charitwo> unban me from #ubuntu , floodbot is retarded
[22:51] <LjL> [23:50:57] <LjL> sure, i'll unban you after you test your connection
[22:51] <ikonia> always with an attitude
[22:51] <Seeker`> fun
[22:52] <Seeker`> ikonia: Dont you know, the more obnoxious you are, the quicker you get unbanned
[22:52] <LjL> [23:51:09] <Charitwo> i dont have those means sorry
[22:52] <LjL> [23:51:17] <LjL> what means?
[22:52] <LjL> [23:51:27] <Charitwo> i have absolutely no control over the router
[22:52] <LjL> [23:51:45] <LjL> follow the instructions, there is an alternative workaround if you can do nothing about the router. it works.
[22:52] <LjL> [23:51:52] <LjL> if it doesn't work, then ask in #ubuntu-ops
[22:52] <ikonia> this is leading somewhere
[22:52] <ikonia> I feel a punchline
[22:53] <Seveas> ...and they lived happily ever after
[22:53] <hischild> even i managed to fix it. And that says something as my router is pretty retarded.


[11:10] <andru183> it's prob pointless saying it here but in case anyone wants a 12.10 or 12.04 cd and is about UL today they can get one off me
[11:11] <czajkowski> andru183: ello
[11:13] <czajkowski> andru183: hows college going?
[11:16] <slashbel> we still have many 12.10 disks going
[11:17] <zmoylan> do many people still install by cd these days?  so many netbooks have no optical drive.
[11:22] <slashbel> aye zmoylan, i have questioned the same point
[11:23] <slashbel> 2 years ago the discs used to fly out, now we struggle to give them away
[11:23] <zmoylan> wouldn't it be better to be at the linux potd and tell people to bring a usb drive and you'll put ubuntu onto it for them?
[11:23] <czajkowski> could do
[11:24] <czajkowski> it's intersting to see people still ordering them
[11:24] <czajkowski> some teams haven't ordered them
[11:29] <andru183> czajkowski hey, it's cool, doing a class in Cobol today so trying to go over everything for em and it's ooooollllllldddddd skool
[11:29] <andru183> slashbel I still have a few, should be alright for now :D
[11:30] <czajkowski> am surpsise it's still taught
[11:30] <andru183> I still think they should be passed out. It's handy to own on and just cool to have
[11:31] <andru183> me too, I'd say it's just cos they had someone lying around that knew it and just kept him in a job
[11:31] <andru183> :/
[11:31] <slashbel> passed or phased out?
[11:41] <bootinfdsds> morning
[11:41] <czajkowski> hi
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> Hi there how's it going .. I'm in IOM .. but there's no chat here...
[11:42] <bootinfdsds> and No I don't know Mark.
[11:43] <ebel> iom? isle of man?
[11:45] <czajkowski> ebel: aye
[11:46] <bootinfdsds> correctamundo.


[11:43] <weljor> highvolt1ge: Hello!
[12:39] <weljor> stgraber: Hello!
[12:45] <weljor> I have a question about Raring amd64 (daily build) on live usb persistent:
[12:45] <weljor> On system started, I have launched "Software update"
[12:45] <weljor> The system asks an partial upgrade!
[12:46] <weljor> All updates is not included in the iso (daily)?
[12:52] <weljor> On Ubuntu (raring-daily) amd64, this is not detected.
[14:33] <weljor> stgraber: Hi
[23:19] <weljor> highvoltage: Hello!
[23:19] <highvoltage> hey weljor
[23:19] <highvoltage> (well, more like, goodnight from me :) )
[23:21] <weljor> goodnight to you!
[23:23] <weljor> highvoltage: the updates is not included on daily?


[09:52] <siretart> could anyone tell me how a kdc.conf for a slave kdc should look like?
[09:52] <siretart> I'm using MIT krb5, and want to setup a slave kdc. I'm following the admin's guide
[09:52] <siretart> it tells me to create a stashfile with kdb5_util stash
[09:52] <siretart> but I get this: kdb5_util: No such file or directory while setting active database to '/var/lib/krb5kdc/principal'
[10:37] <siretart> oh, never mind. my db didn't get propagated properly