[00:00] <bruce89><PHONE_NUMBER>1991197253
[00:01] <maxb> Hrm
[00:02] <maxb> Well now I've made it complete /tmp/foo bar
[00:02] <dooglus> maxb: no, I can't - I'm thinking of a similar but different bug
[00:02] <maxb> I wonder how you're supposed to get it to complete /tmp/foo\ bar
[00:02] <dooglus> maxb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356218 is related I think?
[00:03] <dooglus> it's the one I was thinking of
[00:05] <maxb> I hate shellscript :-(
[00:06] <dooglus> what's the problem maxb?
[00:11] <maxb> spaces. quoting. shell. guaranteed to drive you insane.
[00:14] <Ienorand> Personally I find it rather pleasant, and you feel appropriately "hax" when you manage to do what you intended...
[00:14] <zooko> This shows that you haven't reached the insanity stage yet.
[00:14] <zooko> It's sort of like the first few pages of an ancient tome of Cthulhu.
[00:15] <zooko> You get this pleasurable feeling of power...
[00:15] <Ienorand> But I WANT IT!
[00:16]  * Ienorand should be going to bed soon
[00:16] <zooko> Grumble.   Coincidentally the flac file that was taking so long to start is "The Thing That Should Not Be" by Metallica.
[00:19] <bruce89> zooko: may some weird VFS thing
[00:20] <zooko> It looks like to me that Konqueror is going and downloading the file before giving it to VLC.
[00:20] <zooko> Because it pops up a Konqueror download widget thingie.
[00:20] <zooko> At least I *think* that widget thingie is coming from Konqueror.
[00:21] <zooko> And not from...  somewhere just as real, but not so brightly lit.
[00:21] <bruce89> that's a bit strange, I assume it's a local file
[00:21] <zooko> No, over HTTP.
[00:21] <bruce89> ah, shove the URI into VLC manually
[00:22] <zooko> Well, I know how to do *that*.
[00:22] <zooko> What I don't know is how to tell Konqueror to give VLC the URL instead of the file contents.
[00:22] <zooko> Or else to give VLC the file contents incrementally and without using my hard drive.
[00:23] <mogul218> good evening everyone.....installed kubuntu on my laptop and i am familiar with the wireless setup in ubuntu but lost on kubuntu.....can someone help me out?
[00:23] <bruce89> zooko: Konq being a Web browser (now), it'll download stuff when maybe it isn't needed
[00:23] <mogul218> i am on jaunty btw
[00:23] <zooko> bruce89: thanks!
[00:26] <zooko> Argh -- VLC skips when I give it the URL.
[00:26] <Ienorand> Is touch /forcefsck the recomended way to force fsck?
[00:29] <m4v> Ienorand: I don't other way if there is
[00:40] <v0lksman> I did an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty last thursday...I can't seem to find anything notify-osd...is it cause I upgraded?
[00:40] <MementoMori> hi
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> !info notify-osd
[00:41] <MementoMori> is current beta usable?
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> MementoMori: ;)
[00:41] <v0lksman> ActionParsnip: yeah...so I installed notify-osd...not sure where to go now
[00:42] <MementoMori> hi ActionParsnip ;) do you prefer answer to my question here? :D
[00:42] <v0lksman> oh snappity snap
[00:42] <maxb> MementoMori: that depends on whether your definition of usable includes "working well, but if it breaks, it's your responsibility to get yourself out of trouble"
[00:43] <MementoMori> maxb: I mean: if it breaks an update will solve the problem
[00:44] <bytor4232> Jaunty with no GUI installed boots in 15 seconds on a dual core workstation.  I have xfce4 installed, it boots in six seconds.
[00:45] <MementoMori> maybe it's better to install 810 and then distupgrade
[00:45] <MementoMori> but i've never trusted dist-upgrade...
[00:46] <maxb> If you mean apt-get dist-upgrade, you shouldn't be using it unless you self-classify as expert
[00:46] <maxb> The supported upgrade path is update-manager, which in addition to a basic dist-upgrade includes all sorts of helper fixups
[00:46] <bytor4232> Ubuntu 9.04 with ext4 boots on my laptop boots to a bash login in 14 seconds, xfce4 loads from startx in 9 seconds
[00:47] <MementoMori> maxb: i think i'm good power user but when I say "dist-upgrade" I mean: look up the wiki and follow the raccomended official way
[00:47] <maxb> right
[00:48] <maxb> I would not fear release-upgrading.
[00:48] <MementoMori> maxb: but should I trust it?
[00:48] <maxb> I have upgraded step-by-step all the way from dapper
[00:48] <MementoMori> I'm used to install packages from medibuntu
[00:48] <MementoMori> will those packs break the upgrade?
[00:49] <maxb> It's always wise to be a little cautious about 3rd party repositories, but I think most of medibuntu's packages are either sufficiently close to their Ubuntu variants, or sufficiently minor addons that you are unlikely to have issues
[00:50] <maxb> I use a few packages from medibuntu too
[00:51] <MementoMori> maxb: I actually use codecs, fonts, libdvdcss2 and few other if I remember well
[00:51] <MementoMori> so ok
[00:51] <MementoMori> i'll install 810 tomorrow
[00:52] <MementoMori> I really hate when I've to install a new system a couple of weeks before the next release
[00:53] <MementoMori> I think ubuntu should become a metadistro the gentoo way.
[00:53] <MementoMori> so no new versions no doubt
[00:54] <ccooke> *sigh*
[00:56] <tim> Will there be any support for hotway and hotsmtp in Jaunty?  I noticed it was not in the repositories.
[00:56] <ccooke> I find myself increasingly disheartened about the way the update manager icon is being handled. I suspect that, because of it, Jaunty is going to be the least tested Ubuntu since Hoary - I wouldn't be surprised if this release has the worst track record for bugs for a very long time, simply because of this policy change.
[01:12] <hyp0craci> hi was wondering if someone could help me get my sound working :o( im a linux super-noob, and just installed 9.04 as my first distro, so not sure what is the issue, i have googled for 2 days now, and searched on the ubuntu website, but none of the stuff i found worked for me,..i have set everything to alsa, added my user to the audio group, but nothing
[01:13] <coffee|_|D> is your soundcard supported?
[01:13] <coffee|_|D> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[01:14] <coffee|_|D> probabley could see if you have the modules installed? with  "modinfo soundcore"
[01:17] <hyp0craci> i believe so, it shows me options under sounds related to the card name, it is the internal sound on my asus m3n-ht deluxe, (using optical out btw), "modinfo soundcore" lists a generic sound driver
[01:21] <hyp0craci> im trying to look on the alsa website but not sure what manufacturer makes the AD1988 HDA chip which i have
[01:23] <Antioch> I just installed the xubuntu beta and updated all packages. I used to have the beta installed and updated, but I reformatted my HD. This time after updating, however, the panel and background don't appear after logging in - only a terminal does.
[01:24] <Antioch> How can I fix this?
[01:24] <coffee|_|D> is it an nvidia board then nvidia
[01:30] <hyp0craci> ok so i found that i am using the nvidia HDA sound driver, and it is supported , so any suggestions? like i said i have already set my user to the audio group, and set all the options in the Pref > Sound ..to HDA (ALSA), but i hear nothing :o(
[01:31] <quieteyes> hyp0craci: just curious, nForce2 chipset & audio?
[01:32] <DanaG> nf2 wouldn't be HDA, I'm pretty sure.
[01:32] <DanaG> Would have to be NF3 or newer.
[01:34] <hyp0craci> not exaclty sure, its the nforce 780a chipset and it uses the AD1988 HDA codec :o/
[01:34] <DanaG> 780 is "nf7".
[01:34] <Antioch> Are you trying to get digital output?
[01:34] <hyp0craci> yah
[01:34] <Antioch> for audio
[01:35] <hyp0craci> i am, only cables i have here is optical
[01:35] <Antioch> ok well if it works the way mine does (onboard nvidia 9300) its simple
[01:35] <Duckthis> Is there someone using TrueCrypt?
[01:35] <Antioch> first go to your sound mixer, turn up the master and add the switches for something like E98------ some number looking thing, dont remember off hand
[01:35] <Antioch> turn both of the switches on
[01:36] <Antioch> that may do it, or you may have to add the follwing to your ~/.asoundrc file
[01:36] <Antioch> (sec while I find the link)
[01:36] <DanaG> IEC958?
[01:36] <Antioch> I guess, you have a diff chipset than I do so probably yeah.
[01:36] <hyp0craci> IEC985 is enabled, only other switch there is headphones
[01:36] <DanaG> Might wanna' install pavucontrol, too, perhaps.
[01:36] <afallenhope> hey guys found a small bug. trying to compile idjc, and found that it was looking for: Error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory where it's really locate at /usr/lib/avcodec/ similar (but reversed) to the following bug: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/237
[01:37] <DanaG> Gnome hides all the mixers by default.  =P
[01:37] <Antioch> DanaG, I had "IEC985" and "IEC985-2" --- the firs one did nothing, the second one (#2) made the magic work
[01:37] <hyp0craci> hmm i do remember seeing 2 of them when i did alsamixer from console lemme go try
[01:38] <DanaG> Hmm, probably has separate hdmi and spdif.
[01:38] <hyp0craci> yup
[01:38] <afallenhope> so any ideas on that onw?
[01:38] <afallenhope> one**
[01:38] <hyp0craci> ..to danalol
[01:38] <Duckthis> Is there someone using TrueCrypt?
[01:38] <DanaG> I have a sound card that does similar odd things: one "Speaker" slider that doesn't even MOVE properly, and has no effect.... another "Speaker 1" slider that goes from 0db to 0db, but works (as long as you ignore the broken 'db' marking).
[01:38] <DanaG> It's a USB sound card.
[01:39] <Antioch> DanaG, try one of the following (the first one worked for me getting HDMI out, but I think theyre the same issue) - http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=276711&postcount=96, http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=257476&postcount=268
[01:39] <Antioch> You only need to worry about the asoundrc part, the rest of the post is about updating alsa drivers, but Jaunty has the needed version
[01:40] <hyp0craci> what is pavucontro? and how/where would i install it from?
[01:40] <hyp0craci> i only have that one switch anti and it is enabled with no sound
[01:41] <Antioch> did you add lines to your asoundrc?
[01:41] <afallenhope> found a small bug. trying to compile idjc, and found that it was looking for: Error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory where it's really locate at /usr/lib/avcodec/ similar (but reversed) to the following bug: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/237
[01:42] <hyp0craci> no i didnt, u said u were gonna look up the link didnt see u post it tho did i miss it?
[01:42] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/ when pairing my moto S9
[01:42] <Antioch> yes
[01:42] <Antioch> a few lines up
[01:42] <DanaG> Bluetooth audio has never worked for me in Linux.
[01:42] <Antioch> 2 links
[01:43] <xero> WOW! How the heck did that sentence get so garbled? Let's try that again.
[01:43] <hggdh> afallenhope, have you checked for a LP bug on this? If you find one, can you please check if the reference to trac is given there
[01:43] <hggdh> ?
[01:43] <DanaG> nevaire.
[01:43] <afallenhope> hggdh, not that I could see
[01:43] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). /ticket/237
 no i didnt, u said u were gonna look up the link didnt see u post it tho did i miss it?
 I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/
[01:43] <xero> How the ...
[01:44] <xero> BRB, changing mouse and keyboard batteries. Something's messed up.
[01:44] <Antioch> hyp0craci, DanaG, I just enabled the switches and added the first asoundrc (as well as rebootd X, this is important) and it worked for me to get sound over HDMI on the latest 9.04 beta
[01:44] <Antioch> literally 10 seconds ago ;)
[01:44] <hggdh> afallenhope, would you then please open one (I am *assuming* you are trying to build currently deployed idjc)?
[01:44] <afallenhope> hggdh, yeah I am
[01:45] <hggdh> afallenhope, and there is a binary package for it?
[01:45] <drone> is there a channel where we can get some help with the 9.04 beta?
[01:45] <afallenhope> hggdh, no it's outdated
[01:45] <mprice> drone this is the right channel
[01:45] <drone> ah ok. thanks
[01:46] <hggdh> oh
[01:46] <afallenhope> hggdh, it's so outdated it doesn't even support my files lol.
[01:46] <hggdh> afallenhope, let me find out what is it we have
[01:46] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/
[01:47] <hyp0craci> ok lol got confused cause u said dana, but anyways those refer to using the hdmi audo, where as i am trying to use the optical audio out..what would i put inplace of "hdmi" there?
[01:47] <drone> well, I've got two issues: 1. ever since I updated my 64 bit 8.10 to 9.04 beta, my update-manager gives the error "bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing."  when I try to run updates
[01:47] <drone> and also I have no icons in my gnome panel menus
[01:48] <drone> but they are there in alacarte
[01:48]  * hggdh waits for packages.ubuntu.com... waiting for godot is more fun :-(
[01:48] <drone> and I can drag the objects to the desktop and they show there
[01:48] <drone> I tried deleting gconf and gnome files
[01:48] <hggdh> afallenhope, OK, we have 0.7.7 on Jaunty
[01:48] <drone> just to see if it would help
[01:48] <drone> but it didn't do anything
[01:49] <hggdh> afallenhope, did you get the source from upstream?
[01:49] <afallenhope> hggdh, I got it from the developper's site
[01:49] <DanaG> hyp0craci: try aplay -l and aplay -L  (lowercase and caps L)
[01:49] <afallenhope> hggdh, I know the issue just don't know how to fix it
[01:50] <hggdh> afallenhope, ah OK. Just edit the source file that has the bad reference, and correct it
[01:50] <afallenhope> --> error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory <-- the file is found at /usr/include/libavcodec.h  instead of /usr/include/ffmpeg
[01:50] <hggdh> afallenhope, this error was given compiling another source....
[01:51] <DanaG> argh, damned windows is unloading and loading my hdd heads.
[01:51] <afallenhope> hggdh, this was given compiling idjc0.7.2a
[01:51] <hggdh> afallenhope, or just 'grep -R ffmpeg/avcodev.h *
[01:51] <DanaG> I've tweaked it in ubuntu to not do that.
[01:52] <hggdh> afallenhope, now wait: you say this is for idjc 0.7.2a. Is this newer or older than 0.7.7?
[01:52] <afallenhope> hggdh, it's the laterst
[01:52] <hyp0craci> dana have already done that , it lists Nvidia HDA as the devices
[01:53] <hggdh> afallenhope, OK. then just run the grep I gave you, and correct each hit as needed
[01:53] <afallenhope> hggdh, nothingshows up
[01:53] <hggdh> afallenhope, sorry, gotta go
[01:55] <hggdh> afallenhope, but this is, then, probably in another .h (i.e., an included file). The error messages should tell you where to look. But really gotta go, or my S.O. will be very unhappy
[01:55] <afallenhope> lol hggdh yeah I know where the file is located. there's not directory. the directory is located at /usr/include/libavcodec
[01:57] <DanaG> hyp0craci: try the other one (capital and lowercase L give different results)
[01:57] <DanaG> Besides, isn't pulseaudio supposed to be the default?
[01:57] <DanaG> If so, you should use pavucontrol to set default device.
[01:58] <coffee|_|D> hyp0craci i'm not sure, have you tried #alsa?
[01:58] <cuznt> i was trying to configure my quassell on #quassell and the dudes told me from a konsole command that my hard drive was on its way to the great p00pship in the sky. i need to back my stuff up onto my 500g in a recoverable way. i have kde4.2.x jaunty juandice athalon 2gram single proc. 32bit. this is installed TWICE on my 165g hard drive and I have a sep 500g
[01:58] <coffee|_|D> #alsa that is
[01:58] <cuznt> the normal back up is bye bye
[01:59] <cuznt> can you do a pastebin !find
[01:59] <cuznt> !find | pastebin | cuznt
[02:00] <cuznt> anywho a serviceable way to back up. any ideas are appreciated. tyvmia
[02:00] <DanaG> I use faubackup for backups, because everything else seems to be either weak or cryptic.
[02:00] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/faubackup.conf
[02:00] <DanaG> That's an example config file.
[02:00] <DanaG> Or rather, that's what I have set.
[02:01] <DanaG> It puts a cronjob in cron.daily; you'd have to tweak that, too -- I have mine do one filesystem at a time.
[02:01] <cuznt> conection to http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/faubackup.conf is broken
[02:01] <DanaG> Odd... works for me.
[02:01] <DanaG> So, I have /var/faubackup symlinked to a different drive, and I end up with /var/faubackup/EliteBook:root/<date string>
[02:02] <cuznt> error kate
[02:02] <DanaG> EliteBook is my hostname.
[02:02] <DanaG> Try opening that in the browser instead.
[02:02] <cuznt> connection to host  http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/ is broken
[02:03] <cuznt> nono i got it thanks
[02:04] <drone> has anyone else been getting dpkg parse errors?
[02:04] <DanaG> What the faubackup thingy does: hardlinks unchanged files, and copies new copies of changed files.
[02:04] <DanaG> So, any backup is copyable as if it were a full file tree -- because it IS one.
[02:04] <cuznt> so like if my hd craps i can install faubackup again on a new hd and
[02:05] <cuznt> "revover it?
[02:05] <cuznt> recover
[02:05] <DanaG> Actually, recovering is even easier: it's just rsync or cp (I don't remember which was best at copying whole trees with all attributes.
[02:05] <DanaG> Rsync, I think it was.  You'd want to preserve symlinks and all that.
[02:06] <DanaG> Check 'man faubackup' and 'man rsync', of course.
[02:06] <DanaG> My example config file excludes thumbnails and cache files.
[02:07] <DanaG> There may be a more efficient way to do all this... but that was the only system I felt like bothering with.
[02:08] <cuznt> that was way over my head
[02:09] <cuznt> heh
[02:09] <cuznt> but i will of course cross that bridge when I come to it
[02:09] <cuznt> ty
[02:12] <DanaG> We really do need some sort of fully-automatic backup thingy.
[02:12] <DanaG> Best idea would be like (gasp) Apple's thing-I-need-not-name.  =P
[02:14] <hyp0craci> dana sorry had to afk for a sec, i did the L one, it lists a bunch of them, all rear, surround, center, sub except for one, which is HDM audio output
[02:16] <Antioch> hyp0craci, I think you should try looking about the xbmc forums. A lot of users on there are trying to get digital (and optical) sound outputs working. The first step involves updating ALSA and then some configurations. But in 9.04 we already have the needed ALSA version.
[02:16] <Antioch> Thats where I got my HDMI fix from. Most people on there are using Ubuntu so it should be easy to get it working from their help
[02:19] <hyp0craci> ok i will look, on a side note, i did manage to find cable for the earphone jack style connectors, and even with those outputs, i am getting nothing, ill look into the site u mentioned
[02:21] <GiantTalkingCow> A quick question, do any of you know if Jaunty and/or the version of X.org included with it is having a problem with Intel cards?
[02:22] <PhotoJim> some issues.
[02:22] <PhotoJim> it works fine for me with the Intel chipset in my netbook, but if I run aggressive video tasks like celestia, I get a lot of glitches in the display.
[02:22] <GiantTalkingCow> Ah well, I suppose I'll hold off on testing it until the final release if I can't find a fix. Thanks.
[02:23] <PhotoJim> I haven't had better luck with a laptop running Intrepid.
[02:23] <PhotoJim> I don't think it's worse.  It's just bad, still.
[02:25] <GiantTalkingCow> Intrepid's desktop effects worked fine on this machine, as did other versions of Compiz and also KDE's new compositing system, so if I can't find a fix, I'll cross my fingers and hope it'll be working by release.
[02:27] <mprice> GiantTalkingCow is it running slow?
[02:28] <GiantTalkingCow> mprice: Pretty much. It's working, just at a snail's pace.
[02:31] <bjsnider> GiantTalkingCow, if you can set up xorg.conf to use uxa, it might solve some of your issues
[02:32] <bjsnider> exa is broken in the intel driver right now
[02:32] <mprice> that is what I did: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[02:32] <GiantTalkingCow> I just ran across that while searching for a solution myself and I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip.
[02:34] <mprice> so far its working fine without any problems
[02:36] <bjsnider> mprice, you mean no problems at all?
[02:36] <mprice> ya kwin is working fine after I changed the settings to use UXA
[02:41] <p_> Hey all! I'm wondering if I can upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 using the 9.04 live CD?
[02:42] <darthanubis> p_, thats what its for
[02:42] <p_> darthanubis, but how?
[02:42] <darthanubis> read
[02:42] <darthanubis> the desktop saus "install"
[02:42] <darthanubis> says
[02:43] <p_> darthanubis, I don't want to re-install, I want to upgrade.
[02:43] <darthanubis> if you can't do that much, a beta is outta your league
[02:43] <p_> lol
[02:43] <darthanubis> well you upgrade from the cli
[02:43] <p_> darthanubis, cli?
[02:43] <darthanubis> oh boy
[02:43] <darthanubis> the website ubuntu.com details upgrades
[02:43] <mprice> cli=command line interface
[02:44] <p_> mprice, thanks.
[02:44] <cuznt> i thought you could only upgrade from an alternate cd
[02:44] <mprice> ie the terminal
[02:44] <p_> mprice, right.
[02:44] <p_> cuznt, that would...be a mistake...
[02:44] <p_> (of mine)
[02:45] <p_> cuznt, you're right. I just checked.
[02:45] <p_> Lol, my bad. Alright...time to re-download and re-burn...
[02:45] <p_> Thanks all. www.upwardm.com/good
[02:51] <GiantTalkingCow> Well, thanks for the tip, editing my xorg.conf solved the desktop acceleration problem, and Jaunty seems to be working like a charm otherwise.
[02:52] <bjsnider> cool
[02:53] <bjsnider> i think they'll have the exa problem solved by the time jaunty is released though
[02:53] <bjsnider> so you might want to check whether taking out uxa wouldn't be a good idea at that point
[02:53] <GiantTalkingCow> I'll give it another look later this month, yeah.
[04:14] <afallenhope> hey have a small issue. I tried to delete apache from the ufw app but everytime I do I get the following http://pastebin.com/m145c700b
[04:15] <afallenhope> can I just remove it from /etc/ufw/applications.d?
[04:26] <[MindVirus]> Flash and Java are not working.
[04:26] <[MindVirus]> Help.
[04:27] <afallenhope> hey have a small issue. I tried to delete apache from the ufw app but everytime I do I get the following http://pastebin.com/m145c700b
[04:27] <afallenhope> can I just remove it from /etc/ufw/applications.d?
[04:31] <mogul218> afallenhope how did you install apache?
[04:31] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[04:31] <afallenhope> mogul218, aptitue install apache
[04:32] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], more detail
[04:33] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, what would you like?
[04:33] <afallenhope> 1.) how did you install java 2.) how did you install flash 3.) what site are you trying to access
[04:34] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, 1 and 2) Using Firefox's method 3) All of them
[04:34] <centaur5> Is there a way to make a new netboot image since the one I'm using (from the repositories) isn't as current as the new kernel?
[04:35] <mogul218> afallenhope, i don't have a solution to your problem
[04:37] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], you have to insall the package..
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, which is what Firefox does.
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> I also got ubuntu-restricted-extras.
[04:38] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], no it doesn't. sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> Yes. Yes it does.
[04:39] <Barridus> hi, has the unicode character entering process changed?  i seem to recall it used to be ctrl-alt-u.  has my memory flaked out of was it changed :)
[04:39] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, first off, I prefer apt-get, second off, flash-nonfree isn't a valid package.
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> You mean flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin (of which I have both).
[04:40] <afallenhope> w/e
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> And I promise Firefox gets the Flash plugin.
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> Though you can find out on your own.
[04:41] <[MindVirus]> What should I do?
[04:44] <[MindVirus]> ...?
[04:45] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], find out on your own, as you told me..
[04:45] <[MindVirus]> ...
[04:45] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, I told you that you can find out on your own if you don't believe me.
[04:46] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, you know, what I said wasn't rude, but what you said was.
[04:46] <[MindVirus]> It's alright. I'm afraid this conversation is going nowhere.
[04:47] <[MindVirus]> Sorry I couldn't have been more agreeable.
[04:48] <[MindVirus]> Could anyone please help me troubleshoot Java in Firefox?
[04:48] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], http://www.64bitjungle.com/ubuntu/install-java-jre-160-update-x-on-hardy-as-the-default-java-runtime/
[04:49] <[MindVirus]> Sorry, sorry, meant Flash. I'm willing to put Java off for later.
[04:49] <[MindVirus]> Flash is more important.
[04:50] <afallenhope> http://www.chaim.com/blog/archives/17
[04:51] <[MindVirus]> Oh, I'm not on 64-bit. I'll see if that applies to my 32-bit.
[04:51] <bruce89> [MindVirus]: that's needlessly complex, sudo aptitude install default-jre is all you need
[04:51] <[MindVirus]> Yeah, I have the JRE, but I'd like to worry 'bout that later.
[04:52] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], also.. close firefox and try sudo aptitude --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:53] <[MindVirus]> Done it.
[04:53] <[MindVirus]> Sadly doesn't help. :(
[04:53] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], close firefox then run it from terminal
[04:53] <afallenhope> see if there's an error somewhere
[05:08] <j5098> i got the intel graphics driver update for jaunty this morning, but my compiz is still very slow
[05:13] <[MindVirus]> j5098, I feel like it won't be fixed for a while.
[05:14] <j5098> darn
[05:14] <j5098> but it is well known and being worked on, right? (i have a 945)
[05:18] <mbrush> "Jaunty is not released and not supported"  does that mean this isn't a support channel for jaunty then?
[05:18] <dtchen> it means that when things break, you get to keep the pieces
[05:19] <mbrush> gotcha, speaking of pieces :)
[05:19] <mbrush> is it just me or is pulseaudio pretty much broken to pieces?
[05:19] <dtchen> WFM. what precise issues are you having?
[05:20] <mbrush> first it was no sound at all, I've managed to fix that, now I'm getting no sound in Flash in firefox
[05:21] <dtchen> which version of Flash? fresh install or distribution upgrade?
[05:21] <rathel> I'm curious if this bug is happening to anybody else, I have 2 monitors, and I can't seem to drag panels from 1 screen to another like I could in Intrepid.
[05:21] <mbrush> Alternate CD fresh install + XFCE, the flash version i just downloaded
[05:22] <mbrush> how do i check flash version?  I think 10.something
[05:22] <dtchen> look what about:plugins says
[05:23] <mbrush> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
[05:24] <dtchen> mbrush: install pavucontrol and check what sink the stream is directed to
[05:24] <mbrush> "Default"  ?
[05:25] <dtchen> while the Flash stream is playing, which sink is used?
[05:26] <mbrush> "ALSA plug-in [firefox]" under Clients?
[05:26] <dtchen> yes
[05:28] <mbrush> if I double-click that is says Driver: pulsecore/protocol-native.c Index: #2 Owner Module: #15
[05:28] <dtchen> eh, let me get a Flash stream so i can walk you through it
[05:29] <mbrush> dtchen: sorry, Ive never used pulse before (on purpose)
[05:29] <mbrush> :)
[05:33] <mbrush> dtchen: is your flash sound working?
[05:33] <mbrush> I forgot to mention I'm running amd64
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: yes, it works fine
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: in pavucontrol, see the Playback tab
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: use the dropdown on the trailing horizontal edge (probably right for you)
[05:35] <mbrush> yep
[05:36] <dtchen> mbrush: also, what is the default sink for you?
[05:37] <mbrush> if I set firefox to RTP multicast stream i get an equalizer moving but still no sound, if I select HDA Intel... the equalizer stops moving
[05:37] <mbrush> default is RTP muticast
[05:38] <mbrush> I selected something and the program closed
[05:38] <mbrush> now it does show firefox
[05:39] <mbrush> also when i restart pavucontrol it says this:
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges.
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[05:39] <mbrush> sorry for paste
[05:40] <dtchen> err, what?!
[05:40] <dtchen> the default is rtp?
[05:40] <dtchen> *headdesk*
[05:40] <dtchen> right, so that's bad
[05:40] <dtchen> set the default to your HDA Intel
[05:40] <mbrush> Sorry, I was playing around under Playback and muted the System Sounds part and the program crashed
[05:40] <mbrush> that was what it said when I restarted the program
[05:40] <dtchen> also, migrate all your streams over to the HDA Intel
[05:41] <mbrush> I tried that before the crash and it didn't do anything except make the equalizer thing stop moving
[05:41] <mbrush> now it doesn't show firefox in the Playback tab
[05:42] <dtchen> did you (re)start a Flash stream?
[05:42] <dtchen> did pavucontrol crash?
[05:42] <mbrush> well it showed an error dialog that said something like "Connection lost" or refused maybe
[05:42] <mbrush> I'm restarting firefox to see if it comes back into the list in pavucontrol
[05:42] <dtchen> hmm
[05:43] <dtchen> is this installation current? are you running the latest packages for everything?
[05:43] <mbrush> ok, it's back in the list after restartin firefox
[05:43] <mbrush> current up to a day or two ago
[05:43] <dtchen> that tends to be outdated
[05:44] <dtchen> i already have another batch of PA fixes queued
[05:44]  * mbrush apt-get upgrades to see
[05:45] <mbrush> yeah, there's tons of pulseaudio stuff in there, let me upgrade
[05:46] <mbrush> I hope it doesn't reset whatever I did that got my sound working at all in the first place
[05:48] <dtchen> i have no idea what you did to get your sound working
[05:49] <mbrush> me either, i ended getting in so deep I lost track
[05:49] <bjsnider> you shouldn't have to jump thru hoops to get an intel chip working
[05:49] <dtchen> most people just mumble stuff about sound being broken but don't actually provide viable details for me to go forward with
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> Could anyone please help me troubleshoot Flash in Firefox?
[05:50] <mbrush> no sound?
[05:50] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: what's the issue?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> No Flash.
[05:50] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: did you install Flash?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> yES.
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> *Yes.
[05:50] <dtchen> how?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> Through Firefox and apt.
[05:50] <dtchen> err
[05:50] <mbrush> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes_64bit.html#install
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> I have flashplugin-nonfree and adobe-flashplugin.
[05:50] <dtchen> choose one or the other, not both
[05:50] <mbrush> that just worked for me
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> I'm on 32-bit.
[05:51] <dtchen> argh
[05:51] <dtchen> bad!
[05:51] <dtchen> don't do that
[05:51] <dtchen> choose *one*
[05:51] <dtchen> remove the other
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> Yes, sir! Which?
[05:51] <dtchen> just pick one
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> What are the merits of each?
[05:51] <dtchen> the former uses nspluginwrapper
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> So, which is preferred in general?
[05:52] <[MindVirus]> And why?
[05:52] <dtchen> i guess people recommend flashplugin-nonfree because of the nspluginwrapper bits
[05:52] <j5098> so there's no way to downgrade my video driver back to what i had with intrepid?
[05:52] <bjsnider> [MindVirus], it works better on x64, if you've got the hardware
[05:52] <[MindVirus]> Nah, I'm on Atom.
[05:52] <bjsnider> oh, how dreadful
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> j5098, when you get answered tell me please.
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> So I should keep flashplugin-nonfree.
[05:53] <crdlb> [MindVirus]: some of those are x86-64
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> This one isn't.
[05:53] <drmrhorse> do i have to reinstall jaunty after the official release or can i just keep upgrading?
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> You know, the best help comes out past midnight.
[05:53] <crdlb> !final | drmrhorse
[05:53] <dtchen> honestly, it makes no difference to me whether flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin is used, as i get to care for those bugs regardless
[05:53] <mbrush> dtchen: I have solved the issue.  I guess it boils down to inappropriate defaults and me not knowing how to change them
[05:53] <drmrhorse> yay ty mr bot
[05:54] <drmrhorse> and the best linux help is really after midnight
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> So, turns out I never had adobe-flashplugin.
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> I only had flashplugin-nonfree.
[05:54] <dtchen> ok, so purge it and reinstall it using apt-get
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, eh?
[05:54] <dtchen> the important part is to purge it
[05:55] <crdlb> j5098: there are more components than just the video driver
[05:55] <[MindVirus]> I thought I was supposed to choose one.
[05:55] <dtchen> you can't just remove it; you need to purge it
[05:55] <mbrush> apt-get remove --purge <package>
[05:55] <[MindVirus]> What am I purging, removing, and reinstalling, and in what order?
[05:55] <dtchen> purging is a "more thorough" removal
[05:56] <dtchen> so you will apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:56] <[MindVirus]> BTW, believe now is the best time to get help because no morons are awake (so there is a larger luser/user ratio).
[05:56] <[MindVirus]> *smaller
[05:58] <bjsnider> yeah, only coke addicts are awake
[05:58] <[MindVirus]> :)
[05:58] <dtchen> afterward, tell us the output from: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree adobe-flashplugin|egrep -v '^(\||D|\+)'
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> un  adobe-flashplugin                         <none>                                  (no description available)
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> ii  flashplugin-nonfree                       <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1                       Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> Haha!
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> It works!
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> You're all heros!
[06:00] <dtchen> it will be so nice to rip flashplugin-nonfree from the archive
[06:01] <mbrush> will there be an free one?
[06:01] <dtchen> a Free Adobe Flash? doubtful.
[06:01] <dtchen> not impossible, just improbable in the short run
[06:01] <[MindVirus]> Next: any progress on the Intel drivers?
[06:01] <mbrush> what's replacing flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:01] <drmrhorse> (back from lightening fast reboot)
[06:01] <dtchen> adobe-flashplugin, hopefully
[06:02] <mbrush> ah
[06:02] <dtchen> Adobe doesn't allow us to redistribute non-final versions from archive.canonical
[06:02] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, will Ubuntu automagically remove flashplugin-nonfree and get adobe-flashplugin when it is time?
[06:02] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: my crystal ball powers are insufficient
[06:03] <j5098> crdlb: so that's a no for anything similar to what i want to achieve?
[06:03] <[MindVirus]> Understood. There is no plan for phasing out flashplugin-nonfree and phasing in adobe-flashplugin?
[06:03] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: no. there are plans to maintain them in parallel (yech)
[06:03] <[MindVirus]> Eugh.
[06:04] <crdlb> j5098: indeed
[06:04] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, what about Intel drivers?
[06:04] <mbrush> The most useful package for flash would just be an echo command that says "go to adobe.com and download the plugin yourself"
[06:05] <[MindVirus]> That question was directed to anyone who knows.
[06:06] <mbrush> drivers what [MindVirus]?
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> Sorry, graphics drivers.
[06:06] <mbrush> ok, no idea .. using nvidia
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> Sure, understood.
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> I was at one point in your boat. Then I got a laptop.
[06:07] <bjsnider> i'm sure the intel driver will be fixed within 2 weeks
[06:07] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: What about intel drivers?
[06:07] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Doubtful...
[06:07] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, the Intel graphics drivers.
[06:08] <Amaranth> Right
[06:08] <Amaranth> Not really what I meant though
[06:08] <mbrush> What is your problem with the intel graphics drivers?
[06:08] <bjsnider> Amaranth, they will fix it before jaunty is released
[06:09] <Amaranth> Fix _what_?
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> This is a breath of fresh air. I'm so used to being ignored. Now I'm getting craploads of help from lots of experts. Wish this is how it was all the time. Thanks in advance everyone.
[06:09] <Amaranth> And who is 'they"?
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> Well, performance is shitty.
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> In Intrepid everything was great.
[06:09] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Ah, X4500 user then
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> No.
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> 945GME.
[06:09] <j5098> [MindVirus]: do you have a 945 as well?
[06:09] <j5098> lol
[06:10] <Amaranth> In gutsy and intrepid my performance with an X3100 was so bad I stopped using Linux
[06:10] <Amaranth> In jaunty performance is good again but has gone down for others
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> I'm running Compiz with normal effects and the refresh is like a '50s cartoon.
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> Eep.
[06:10] <j5098> I'm in the exact same situation as [MindVirus]
[06:10] <bjsnider> Amaranth, ubuntu devs will fix the exa regression in the intel graphics driver
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> bjsnider, when?
[06:10] <Amaranth> Now you guys get to spend a year with crappy graphics
[06:11] <bjsnider> within 2 weeks, as i said
[06:11] <j5098> i can do 2 weeks
[06:11] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We don't usually fix driver bugs
[06:11] <j5098> but not a year
[06:11] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, luckily everyone's getting better at everything.
[06:11] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Unless you know something I don't?
[06:11] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, the way I understand it, it's not a driver bug.
[06:12] <[MindVirus]> j5098, I'm on this channel frequently. If you ever spot me around and you have a solution, please tell me. I will do the same for you if you wish.
[06:13] <bjsnider> the solution is enabling uxa instead of exa int eh xorg.conf driver
[06:13] <j5098> [MindVirus]: for sure. I auto join this channel and #ubuntu, so
[06:13] <Amaranth> bjsnider: And that is absolutely not happening this release.
[06:13] <Amaranth> I've got it enabled locally but it seems to leak memory and cause slowdowns/crashes after time
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> bjsnider, that is definitely not true. I did UXA and Xorg disintegrated.
[06:13] <j5098> i tried the uxa and i couldn't even see the login screen
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> I couldn't see anything.
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> Haha.
[06:14] <[MindVirus]> j5098, Eee 1000?
[06:14] <Amaranth> These are the reasons UXA is not the default :P
[06:14] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i didn't meant hat ubuntu devs would literally fix the intel driver. obviously that's keith packard's responsibility. but if an older version ahs to be used or some workaround, it will not be released in its current form
[06:14] <j5098> [MindVirus]: dunno what that is
[06:14] <[MindVirus]> Laptop. Nevermind.
[06:14] <Amaranth> bjsnider: It most certainly will
[06:14] <j5098> [MindVirus]: nah, vaio
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: The last two releases had terrible performance for some intel chips and they got released
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We haven't had a good intel driver since hardy but that driver doesn't support newer chips and would have to be ported forward
[06:15] <bjsnider> we'll see
[06:15] <mbrush> j5098, I guess I should be glad I went with the ATI graphics in my VAIO :)
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We won't see, that's the point :P
[06:16] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, how are you so sure?
[06:16] <Amaranth> bjsnider: At this point in the release cycle that would be too disruptive anyway
[06:16] <j5098> mbrush: yes, yes....
[06:16] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Because I (used to) do ubuntu development
[06:16] <Amaranth> I know how things like this work
[06:16] <bjsnider> Amaranth, are you saying that keith packard is an incompetent boob?
[06:16] <j5098> i may just reinstall intrepid....
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Something like that :P
[06:17] <mbrush> can you not use the older driver?
[06:17] <bjsnider> a bumbling nincompoop?
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: He is great but the changes in the driver have not really worked out very well
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: They are great changes to make for the future but they need a _lot_ of polish
[06:18] <bjsnider> well i'll send keith an email to that effect
[06:18] <bjsnider> with your name on it
[06:18] <Amaranth> And he isn't the only one working on the driver
[06:18] <Amaranth> I don't even think he is the main person
[06:18] <[MindVirus]> Who is this Keith guy?
[06:18] <j5098> mbrush: i don't think that's possible, is it?
[06:18] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Feel free, I wonder if he remembers me enough to know the name
[06:18] <Amaranth> At this point the main person working on the driver seems to be jesse
[06:19] <bjsnider> keith packard is the lead xorg developer. he works for intel
[06:19] <mbrush> j5098 I'm not sure, I'd go to the package website for intrepid and download it and see, I have no idea if that's possible for this situation though
[06:19] <Amaranth> keith does infrastructure work
[06:19] <[MindVirus]> So why does my happiness rely on him?
[06:19] <[MindVirus]> Really, my question is, should I trust Amaranth or bjsnider?
[06:20] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Can you imagine any project making such a huge change two weeks before release?
[06:20] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, I can imagine a roll-back.
[06:20] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: That is a huge change
[06:20] <Amaranth> And it would negatively affect people
[06:21] <bjsnider> if they don't they're in for a hell of a lot of complaints
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, but I can see there to be an option.
[06:21] <mbrush> [MindVirus]: who cares?  if they don't fix by release, someone in the community will fix it or come up with a workaround
[06:21] <Amaranth> We've already gotten a hell of a lot of complaints about the last two releases
[06:21] <Amaranth> Because, again, intel has sucked since 8.04
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> Intel sucked since 8.04.
[06:21] <Amaranth> Some group of intel users has been screwed in every release since then
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> I thought they always had open drivers.
[06:22] <Amaranth> They do
[06:22] <bjsnider> open has nothing to di wtih it
[06:22] <Amaranth> open doesn't mean perfect
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> Open means I can go in and help.
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> Where is the problem?
[06:22] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> *Where are the problems?
[06:22] <Amaranth> A large part of helping would be figuring that out
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> I have no experience with hardware.
[06:22] <bjsnider> i can't see anybody but the key intel devs actually hacking the driver itself. who the hell else knows the code?
[06:23] <[MindVirus]> But I'm a great coder.
[06:23] <bjsnider> so open makes no difference here
[06:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Other developers certainly work on the intel driver
[06:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: An outside developer added XvMC support
[06:23] <[MindVirus]> Someone just needs to donate a large sum of money.
[06:23] <bjsnider> yeahm, intel has no money
[06:24] <bjsnider> money don't matter 2night
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> To Keith.
[06:24] <bjsnider> has nothing to dow tih it
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> OK, a lot of people are pissed.
[06:24] <bjsnider> the problem is they all farted around for 10 years before doing this
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> Or will be.
[06:24] <bjsnider> this architecture change should have happened in the 1990s
[06:25] <spaceBARbarian> who cares about shared graphics card, just buy dedicated
[06:25] <j5098> spaceBARbarian: shuuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuup
[06:25] <j5098> i cares
[06:26] <[MindVirus]> spaceBARbarian, laptop users.
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> So, bjsnider or Amaranth, who has the correct answer?
[06:28] <bjsnider> answer to what?
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> Whether the driver will be in working condition by release.
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> Also, how can I help out?
[06:30] <bjsnider> they'll make the pragmatic choice. the greatest number of cards working by whatever means necessary
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> That was amazingly ambiguous.
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> But that's alright.
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> I take it nobody knows so I won't bother.
[06:31] <mbrush> can you not just revert to a working version of the affected package(s)?
[06:31] <bjsnider> no
[06:31] <mbrush> the intrepid ones won't work?
[06:31] <bjsnider> this is x-server 1.6 here
[06:31] <ubuntu__> anyone having issues with ati drivers?
[06:32] <mbrush> so revert x-server packages also (for someone having tons of troubles)?
[06:32] <bjsnider> no
[06:32] <crdlb> ubuntu__: apparently you
[06:33] <ubuntu__> I installed some ati drivers and now I can't log into X can't even get a terminal
[06:33] <mbrush> bjsnider: it's not possible to apt-get remove --purge xorg and then use different pacakges?
[06:33] <mbrush> i would've thought you could do that
[06:33] <bjsnider> what could take place is a ppa with the next x-server,kernel, and intel driver in it
[06:34] <mbrush> bjsnider: which is it that is causing the problems?
[06:34] <bjsnider> mbrush, if it's that bad, use intrepid
[06:34] <bjsnider> all 3 are causing it
[06:35] <mbrush> i'm not affected, but i've done this before to cure problems
[06:35] <mbrush> i see
[06:35] <gaelfx> I am having some serious connection issues with UNR, almost every website I try to navigate to returns "Connection Interrupted" error, though I am able to load WebUIs over the local network without any problems, any advice?
[06:36] <bjsnider> as of jaunty there's a major architectural change. the intel driver is now using gem to manage graphics memory. gem is in the kernel, the 2.6.28 kernel.
[06:38] <[MindVirus]> GEM sucks.
[06:39] <crdlb> no, the intel driver release managment sucks
[06:39] <bjsnider> it's gem or nothing. it's been nothing forever now
[06:41] <gaelfx> is there anyone else using ath9k for their wireless connection? I suspect that the new driver in the kernel may be causing my connection problem
[06:41] <bjsnider> i like how everybody seems to know this stuff better than the intel corporation, and yet nobody seems to be taking hold of this wonderful open source code and fixing it
[06:42] <bjsnider> gaelfx, try the one in the linux-backports-modules-jaunty package
[06:44] <darnell> why cant i get sound with my speakers, only with headphones
[06:44] <darnell> ?
[06:44] <mbrush> darnel is it muted or turned off, it was for me by default
[06:44] <mbrush> in pavucontrol
[06:45] <darnell> ive turned everything on
[06:45] <mbrush> is it a notebook?
[06:46] <darnell> yes, ibm x41 tablet
[06:46] <dtchen> err, x41?
[06:46] <dtchen> huh.
[06:46] <dtchen> please run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh script
[06:47] <dtchen> i.e., wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[06:49] <dtchen> darnell: ^^
[06:50] <darnell> working on it
[06:50] <darnell> wont do anything.. can i just copy and paste that?
[06:51] <dtchen> you can try bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh --no-upload
[06:51] <dtchen> then grab the text file from /tmp
[06:51] <mbrush> do you need to chmod +x it?
[06:51] <dtchen> only if you don't preface bash
[06:51] <mbrush> ah
[06:53] <darnell> no such file or directory
[06:55] <AK_Dave> Jaunty is pissing me off. The WorkplaceSwitcher_applet won't appear. According to gconf_editor I have ~20 instances of it on the top panel but none of them show.
[06:56] <dtchen> darnell: did you run the command?
[06:57] <darnell> i did
[06:57] <darnell> said no such fi]e or directory
[06:57] <dtchen> darnell: which command did you run?
[06:58] <darnell> ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[06:58] <dtchen> darnell: did you run the wget command before that?
[06:59] <darnell> ok.. wget worked now
[07:04] <darnell> just gave me a website with alsa info
[07:04] <dtchen> huh?
[07:04] <dtchen> -->>    wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh --no-upload
[07:07] <darnell> k
[07:07] <darnell> now what
[07:09] <dtchen> paste the contents of /tmp/alsa-info.txt on a pastebin
[07:13] <dtchen> (then tell me the url)
[07:26] <dtchen> darnell: status update?
[07:27] <darnell> where do i paste to pastebin
[07:27] <darnell> never did this before
[07:28] <dtchen> !pastebin
[07:30] <darnell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146716/
[07:31] <dtchen> darnell: type the following command in a Terminal and tell me if the sound is audible:
[07:32] <dtchen> pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[07:35] <darnell> k holdon
[07:35] <abhishekiitd> How to set up rorating cube/sphere as your screensaver?
[07:35] <abhishekiitd> rotating*
[07:35] <darnell> nope... not audible
[07:36] <dtchen> darnell: can you mute External Amplifier and Headphone ?
[07:36] <abhishekiitd> hey people, i want to use the rotating sphere in compiz as my screensaver, how can i?
[07:38] <darnell> lets see
[07:38] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: that hasn't been kept up-to-date
[07:39] <darnell> i muted headphones
[07:39] <darnell> audio is still only through headphones though
[07:40] <dtchen> is this post-resume-from-suspend?
[07:40] <methril|work> yo
[07:42] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:that means this is not possible?
[07:43] <dtchen> darnell: i.e., are you using the latest bios for your thinkpad?
[07:45] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: indeed
[07:45] <darnell> think so. gota check
[07:45] <darnell> worked fine till a couple weeks ago before a jaunty update...
[07:46] <darnell> so i did a fresh install and still no audio/except headphone
[07:46] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:but that was quite possible before, asnt it?
[07:47] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: the screensaver plugin only works with really old versions of compiz
[07:47] <crdlb> it's just not going to happen
[07:47] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:ok now i get it.Thanks!
[07:56] <dtchen> darnell: hmm, if it worked fine before, let's see if it's just munged state
[07:56] <spaceBARbarian> did they ever fix alarm clock for jaunty ?
[07:57] <dtchen> darnell: you'll need to do the following: sudo kill $(sudo lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel ; sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:57] <dtchen> darnell: after that, you need to reboot
[07:59] <hecklingfext> i have an issue where my external hdd will not mount with any write access, no matter what options i put into my fstab
[07:59] <hecklingfext> before mounting, /media/drive is drwxrwxrwx  after it changes to drwxr-xr-x
[07:59] <hecklingfext> im running jaunty 64bit
[08:10] <Chr|s> anyone have problems today of x restarting by its self and having to log back on
[08:16] <Chr|s> !offtopic
[08:16] <Chr|s>  :(
[08:17] <Chr|s> still haven't fixed it
[08:33] <mnemo> Chr|s: can you run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log* | pastebinit" and copy the URL it prints to this channel?
[08:34] <Chr|s> mnemo» yes one second
[08:36] <Chr|s> mnemo» http://pastebin.com/f7466b65f
[08:37] <mnemo> hmm, yea I can see your crash in there
[08:37] <mnemo> when does it happen?
[08:37] <mnemo> does it always crash directly when you login?
[08:37] <mnemo> or after a while?
[08:37] <Chr|s> mnemo» it just happen once out of the blue
[08:37] <Chr|s> I was already logged in when it happen, logged in for awhile actually
[08:38] <Chr|s> mnemo» I never received a crash report either
[08:38] <mnemo> nah, NVIDIA uses closed source so we cannot fix the bugs in their driver anyway
[08:39] <Chr|s> mnemo» ahh
[08:40] <Machtin> hey guys.
[08:41] <Machtin> i got a few 100 files which have a .htm-extension
[08:41] <Machtin> however, i want that to be removed.. how to do that?
[08:42] <mnemo> Machtin: try #ubuntu (this is for jaunty issues only)
[08:42] <Machtin> hm, well.. i'm running jaunty :)
[08:42] <Machtin> but will do, thanks
[08:49] <Chr|s> mnemo» so it has something to do with nvidia? should I join #nvidia and tell them abotu it?
[08:51] <kbmaniac_> Hi all, I am having some probs with 9.04 kubuntu but there is no kubuntu+1, OK to discuss here ?
[08:53] <Chr|s> kbmaniac_» this is the right channel for bouth ubuntu and kubuntu and rest of the flavors :)
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> cool - OK here goes :)
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> I have installed kubuntu on my wifes machine, it has a Asus ATI Radeon HD 3650 card
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> all went well, everything worked AOK
[08:55] <frybye>  Looking for a acpi- solution that actually works with Jaunty-NBRemix and the 1000H?
[08:55] <kbmaniac_> But I wanted the desktop effects, so I started hardware driver search & installed the driver
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> on reboot screen is blank, flashes the desktop every 30 ish secs for a second
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> need to revert back to the 'vesa' ? driver
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> any ideas ?
[08:57] <kbmaniac_> can get terminal, ctrl,alt, f1. Have tried auto fix of X, no go
[08:57] <kbmaniac_> have tried reverting to old xorg.conf, no go
[08:58] <Chr|s> kbmaniac_» hmm
[08:58] <kbmaniac_> yep ... lol
[08:59] <crdlb> kbmaniac_: uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:59] <kbmaniac_> Apparently I need the catalyst driver direct from ATI, but I need X to install it
[08:59] <crdlb> the default driver for that card is the radeon driver
[08:59] <kbmaniac_> OK will give it a go ... hold on ...
[08:59] <crdlb> installing fglrx direct from ATI will not work, as their version doesn't support xserver 1.6
[08:59] <crdlb> (jaunty has a beta)
[08:59] <crdlb> and that's what the hw drivers manager tried to enable
[09:01] <kbmaniac_> removing, having to reboot ...
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> crdlb, probarbly being dumb, but the fglrx driver = catalyst driver ?
[09:02] <crdlb> yes
[09:02] <crdlb> catalyst is their stupid marketing name
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> got it :)
[09:02] <crdlb> but you should always use fglrx as that is the actual driver name
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> OK
[09:03] <crdlb> catalyst is also even harder to type than fglrx :(
[09:03] <kbmaniac_> so the problem is that the fglrx driver has not been updated for xserver 1.6, when it is the card should (hopefully) work
[09:04] <crdlb> kbmaniac_: it has been updated, but only in the fglrx 9.4 beta in jaunty
[09:05] <crdlb> (8.600 by their internal version scheme)
[09:07] <kbmaniac_> OK so ATI have updated it but the latest version has not trickled down to jaunty
[09:07] <crdlb> "in jaunty"
[09:07] <crdlb> in fact, it's pretty much only available in jaunty
[09:07] <crdlb> until 9.4 actually gets released later this month
[09:08] <crdlb> it apparently just has a bug
[09:08] <crdlb> you can try the fglrx 9.4 final release when it comes out, if you so desire
[09:08] <kbmaniac_> So there is hope for desktop effects on my wifes machine :)
[09:09] <crdlb> not at the moment
[09:09] <kbmaniac_> I can be patient ....
[09:09] <crdlb> there is precisely one publicly distributable version of fglrx that can run on jaunty, and you tried it
[09:10] <kbmaniac_> and still recovering, mmm x gone bye bye ... looking at logs ...
[09:13] <kbmaniac_> YAY, reverted to original xorg.conf, have system back :)
[09:15] <kbmaniac_> Thanks for your help guys, system back on its feet, Will wait for official release before trying fglrx driver again, hopefully fixed it by then
[09:58] <okey666> I cannot mount ext4 in jaunty
[10:00] <okey666> it gives: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
[10:01] <SwedeMike> does dmesg say anything after you try to do that?
[10:02] <okey666> sorry, how do i find that?
[10:03] <SwedeMike> just type "dmesg"
[10:03] <SwedeMike> and see what the last lines say, if there is anything relevant
[10:03] <okey666> not really, its just a load of stuff about my wireless card and bluetooth
[10:05] <okey666> basically, the other partition is another 9.04, it has no files, but I want to get at is menu.lst
[10:05] <okey666> i suppose I will just use a live cd and get them that way
[10:05] <SwedeMike> okey666: well, it should work, there must be something other that is wrong.
[10:06] <SwedeMike> okey666: do you have ext4 if you look in /proc/filesystems ?
[10:07] <okey666> it appears to be empty
[10:07] <okey666> but I can see things in the thumbnail
[10:07] <jens-25621> Have any one else had font rendering problems in QT apps after upgrading to Jaunty?
[10:08] <okey666> ah
[10:08] <okey666> SwedeMike: I got it open, there is no ext4, it just say ext3
[10:08] <okey666> SwedeMike:nodev   fusectl
[10:08] <okey666> nodev   usbfs
[10:08] <okey666>         ext3
[10:09] <SwedeMike> okey666: what does uname -a return?
[10:09] <okey666> SwedeMike: Linux Key-oscar 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 20:57:48 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:09] <aapzak> goodmorning guys
[10:09] <SwedeMike> okey666: that doesn't look like a januty kernel.
[10:09] <SwedeMike> jaunty
[10:10] <okey666> SwedeMike: could the upgrade have gone wrong
[10:10] <okey666> SwedeMike: hang on, I have it, I booted off an old grub menu
[10:11] <okey666> SwedeMike: could it then have used the older kernel?
[10:11] <SwedeMike> okey666: yes.
[10:11] <SwedeMike> obviously.
[10:11] <kulight> any one having trouble with broadcom wireless on jaunty ?
[10:11] <SwedeMike> if you really need that file, try mounting it with ext4dev if available
[10:11] <okey666> SwedeMike: right, I have fixed the grub, I will restart, thanks.
[10:11] <nandemonai> Has anyone come across any issues with VMware server on Jaunty? Specifically 1.0.9?
[10:14] <askand> Hi! I'm using rsync to download latest daily build a couple of time a week, but it seems to be downloading the whole image again? I tought that the point with rsync was that you didn't had to do that??
[10:18] <ikonia> askand: what is your rsync command ?
[10:19] <askand>  ikonia: im using the script from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[10:19] <jpds> askand: There's tool in ubuntu-qa-tools which downloads the lastest image for you, you might want to try it.
[10:19] <jpds> latest*
[10:20] <askand> jpds: thanks will check it out
[10:20] <jpds> askand: You may have to tweak the config for it. It's set to download  all images default. :)
[10:21] <ikonia> askand: the images change - so you'll have to download the whole image each time
[10:21] <ikonia> askand: rsync can't differentiate the difference between image files,
[10:22] <jpds> ikonia: It can...
[10:22] <macvr> hi all... need some help editing this file>>> /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd its a executable (application/x-executable) file , how do i open it to edit the file?
[10:22] <ikonia> jpds: really ?
[10:22] <ikonia> jpds: the rscyn home page doesn't suggest so
[10:22] <RAOF> macvr: Why do you need to edit that file?  It's a binary.
[10:23] <joaopinto> ikonia, man rsync, read the first page ;)
[10:23] <jpds> ikonia: It does binary diffs and looks for changes between files and makes them as necessary.
[10:23] <RAOF> ikonia: rsync does all sorts of craziness; it will happily do the equivalent of binary patching.
[10:23] <joaopinto> actually, second page :P
[10:24] <ikonia> joaopinto: reading now......
[10:24] <macvr> RAOF: i thought that that was the file for the notification settings...  to edit it!
[10:24] <RAOF> macvr: No, there are no settings.
[10:24] <joaopinto> rsync is mostly used because of it's delta transfer ability
[10:24] <RAOF> macvr: That's the binary :)
[10:25] <topyli> macvr: get the source and edit that
[10:25] <macvr> RAOF: oh... so there is no way i could edit the settings ? i just cant see the damn thing!
[10:25] <jpds> macvr: The notifications settings for programs are in the programs.
[10:25] <macvr> topyli: link for source?
[10:26] <RAOF> macvr: That's probably a bug, then.  "apt-get source notify-osd" will get you the source.
[10:27] <macvr> RAOF: ok... will try to look into the source... i have a huge problem with this , since i use a dark theme and the notifications just arnt visible.. thanx guys
[10:27] <topyli> macvr: what can't you see exactly?
[10:28] <crdlb> macvr: well, the color is not configurable :/
[10:28] <macvr> topyli: it just merges with the background and most of the time i miss it...
[10:28] <topyli> ah ok
[10:28] <macvr> crdlb: i know that is very irritating
[10:28] <topyli> macvr: file a bug
[10:29] <crdlb> unfortunately, it's a feature
[10:29] <macvr> topyli: there seem to be several bugs regarding this but the developers seem to be overworked / arent able to look into it for now!
[10:29] <topyli> crdlb: if someone thinks it could work be better, it's a bug :)
[10:30] <topyli> wishlist bugs are bugs too
[10:31] <macvr> color option might be available only after several months! maybe only for 9.10!!!
[10:31] <topyli> macvr: i would guess there are more severe bugs than color, but you should still file it so that it at least *exists*. after that fix it not just for yourself but everybody
[10:32] <crdlb> I don't see how it's fixable without changing the concept
[10:32] <topyli> macvr: only if the maintainer(s) refuse your patch should you take on all the trouble of maintaining your own version
[10:32] <aapzak> question: I wish to remove boot/shutdown splash totally, can I just uninstall usplash and thats it?
[10:32] <macvr> topyli: bugs have been filed and i have added an affects me too, to the bugs
[10:32] <topyli> crdlb: it could, for example, use the hilight color from your gtk theme
[10:33] <crdlb> topyli: then it wouldn't be black ;)
[10:33] <macvr> topyli: thats a good option..
[10:33] <crdlb> which is part of the concept
[10:33] <topyli> crdlb: oh, being black is a core feature?
[10:33] <eagles0513875> crdlb: can i ask ya question
[10:34] <crdlb> topyli: the spec even gives the precise color value :/
[10:34] <macvr> crdlb: i think the main concept is only to make it non interactable , but colors are to be considered alter but not now..
[10:34] <topyli> crdlb: i'll have to study the rationale behind this
[10:34] <macvr> topyli: no, black is not a feature...
[10:34] <eagles0513875> crdlb: yesterday was trying to install koffice and it was complaining about kformula dependency. when i tried to install kformula it removed kdm kde jockey etc
[10:35] <crdlb> eagles0513875: it removed, or it asked to remove but you cancelled it? :)
[10:36] <macvr> crdlb: thats according to the response from the devs in launchpad... they have the customizable color in the wishlist..
[10:36] <eagles0513875> crdlb: yes i cancelled it
[10:36] <eagles0513875> and reinstall kdm and kubuntu-desktop package and jockey
[10:36] <benste> which package contains the necesarry codecs for gstreamer and M3U audiolist files?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> crdlb: any idea why it wants to do that
[10:37] <crdlb> macvr: I'm not sure selection color would look very good though
[10:37]  * crdlb likes the look of the notification-daemon
[10:38]  * eagles0513875 is excited about jaunty
[10:38] <eagles0513875> crdlb: what kernel is going to be included in jaunty
[10:39] <macvr> crdlb: i meant that the option to select a color is in the wishlist and the devs are considering it...
[10:39] <crdlb> 2.6.28?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> because for the wifi card i have there are some patches that need to be applied to the kernel to get it to work
[10:39] <eagles0513875> !version | eagles0513875
[10:39] <crdlb> macvr: well, selecting a color isn't great either
[10:40] <eagles0513875> <IP_ADDRESS> crdlb
[10:41] <crdlb> actually, it's -11, they just bump that number when they break the A BI
[10:41] <macvr> crdlb: check this screenchot >>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25003744/Screenshot-1.png <<< how would this be an effective notification?
[10:41] <topyli> macvr: nos sure why you miss the notifications though. don't the contents stand up enough even if the background is dark?
[10:41] <eagles0513875> crdlb: is it too late to include patches in the kernel
[10:41] <macvr> topyli: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25003744/Screenshot-1.png <<< check this screenshot
[10:41] <crdlb> macvr: I don't like notify-osd at all
[10:41] <crdlb> eagles0513875: final freeze is like tomorrow
[10:42] <topyli> macvr: looks fine to me
[10:42] <topyli> macvr: not sure why the spec is so rigid about the coloring though
[10:42] <eagles0513875> crdlb: where can i suggest the patches
[10:42] <macvr> crdlb: looks like we are tryoiing to copy growl!!!
[10:42] <eagles0513875> its for a broadcom 4311 rev 2 wifi card
[10:42] <crdlb> macvr: :)
[10:43]  * crdlb thinks a certain bdfl has been looking at OS X a bit too much this cycle
[10:43] <macvr> topyli: its seems easier to notice since i'v cut it down to size but most the time i never even notice it!!!
[10:43] <eagles0513875> crdlb: where can i post the link to the site that has the patches for this particular wifi card
[10:43] <macvr> crdlb: worse is the no notification for updates!!!
[10:43] <topyli> macvr: ok
[10:44] <crdlb> macvr: yeah, that's OS X too apparently
[10:44] <macvr> crdlb: :|
[10:45] <crdlb> it's all over if he tries to switch to a global menu bar in karmic :)
[10:45] <eagles0513875> !wishlist
[10:45] <topyli> macvr: it's easy enough to get the update notifications back to your notification area. i do think there should be an UI for that, but i don't think this is a big problem
[10:45] <macvr> crdlb will sue the a$$ off of mark!!!
[10:46] <funkyHat> crdlb: I'd like to see the gnome global menu applet as an option, but I agree it shouldn't be the default, most people won't like it
[10:46] <crdlb> they need to make it work reliably with non-gtk+ apps first
[10:46] <macvr> crdlb: oops>>> i meant apple will sue the A$$ of mark !!!
[10:47] <funkyHat> crdlb: it already works with Qt apps (I think). It will most likely never work with Firefox
[10:47] <crdlb> I figured
[10:47] <topyli> funkyHat: it doesn't work with qt apps
[10:47] <macvr> topyli:  gconftool option exists... but for all those to whom i'v told about the update notification , they will just be searching for the icon!
[10:47] <funkyHat> topyli: oh
[10:48] <topyli> macvr: yes, old ubuntu users will be used to that
[10:48]  * crdlb actually doesn't use any non-gtk+ apps
[10:49] <crdlb> well, I used OOo to watch a ppt once
[10:49] <macvr> guys... i'v this flickering on the side of the screen while scrolling pages in firefox but dont know what to report the bug as...
[10:53] <macvr> i'm not sure if its a firefox bug or a xorg one...!
[10:54] <crdlb> if it only happens with firefox, I guess file it there
[10:54] <crdlb> even though it may very well be a driver problem
[10:55] <funkyHat> macvr: if you file it in the wrong place it can easily be moved. It affects firefox anyway
[10:55] <macvr> crdlb: but the thing is a few days back it used to happen even for nautilus but not only for firefox!
[10:55] <macvr> funkyHat: oh... ok..
[10:56] <macvr> funkyHat: do u have the same problem?
[10:58] <funkyHat> macvr: no
[10:59] <macvr> funkyHat: oh ok...
[11:01] <nandemonai> What's a decent / size minus /home for Jaunty?
[11:02] <macvr> nandemonai: 9GB should cover u well
[11:02] <nandemonai> Ah cool, was thinking around 10 so sweet.
[11:03] <macvr> nandemonai: i use 9 and alos use the / for backups... :)
[11:03] <macvr> also
[11:04] <nandemonai> Well I'm just allowing for logs, extra apps etc.
[11:04] <nandemonai> Pretty much everything else will be in /home on seperate partition.
[11:04] <nandemonai> Backups on seperate drive ;)
[11:06] <nandemonai> Ok well wish me luck, been testing on VM, now for my real machine :D
[11:06] <topyli> macvr: judging from the notification-properties dialog, it's supposed to support "themes", whatever they are. it seems to come with "standard" and "ubuntu" themes right now, the two of which look identical
[11:07] <macvr> topyli: that was a regression fo the notifications demon, that got accidentally shipped with alpha.. but it has been removed
[11:08] <topyli> macvr: what's been removed? the theme support?
[11:09] <macvr> topyli: there was no theme support for notify-osd, that settings u mention is actually for notification demon... which was left accidentally when alpha was shipped... but the beta now has that settings removed
[11:10] <macvr> topyli: initially i was happy that the themes was an option!!! but i was mislead by that mistake too!
[11:11] <topyli> macvr: oh ok
[11:13] <coz_> o0  I just realised I cant move the gnome panel
[11:14] <coz_> ah mm property options
[11:19] <crdlb> coz_: or use alt
[11:20] <coz_> crdlb,  mm i tried alt  nothing happens
[11:21] <crdlb> basically you move them like a regular window now
[11:21] <coz_> crdlb,  alt + drag?
[11:21] <crdlb> yes
[11:21] <macvr> coz_: are u sure its not locked down?
[11:21] <coz_> macvr, let me check
[11:22] <crdlb> if it lets you change the orientation in properties, alt-drag should work
[11:22] <coz_> nope it doest
[11:22] <coz_> where to check for locked down?
[11:22] <crdlb> unless you've changed the window drag key
[11:22] <crdlb> in sys > prefs > windows
[11:22] <coz_> hold on let me check
[11:24] <coz_> I dont see anything suggesting locking it under that and alt drag doesn work either for the panel anyway
[11:24] <coz_> nevermind
[11:24] <macvr> coz_: just right clock on the panel there will be an option to lock panel
[11:24] <coz_> apparently after open preferences   windows  it works now
[11:24] <crdlb> coz_: what is the movement key set to?
[11:24] <coz_> alt
[11:25] <coz_> its working now after opening pref/windows
[11:25] <crdlb> macvr: check again :P
[11:25] <crdlb> (that's not in jaunty)
[11:25] <coz_> no lock down here
[11:26] <macvr> crdlb: hei.... where did it go??? now only locking from config-editor?
[11:26] <crdlb> it was an ubuntu patch (I'm pretty sure)
[11:26] <coz_> another interesing problem  I normally dont have a bottom panel but just now added one and with compiz working the panel shows up mid screen
[11:26] <coz_> and alt drag wont move it mm let me disable compiz
[11:26] <Craig-GB> hi, umdate manager is asking for a partial upgrade however wishes to remove 'libopal3.4.2' 'libpt.2.4.2-plugins-alsa' 'libpt.2.4.2-plugins-v4l2' and 'nautilus-cd-burner', just wondering if anyone knows if i should let it go ahead and do this
[11:26] <BUGabundo> guud morning everyone
[11:27] <coz_> ooo works without compiz running
[11:27] <BUGabundo> anything new in last couple of days?
[11:27] <macvr> crdlb: i thought that since i had single panel that option wasnt shown...! guess things change!
[11:27] <coz_> macvr,  you also have singel panel?
[11:28] <coz_> macvr,  single
[11:28] <crdlb> Craig-GB: nautilus-cd-burner at least has been replaced by brasero
[11:28] <macvr> coz_: yeah.. feel that 2 panels are a waste of screen space!
[11:28] <coz_> macvr, same here  compiz running?
[11:28] <VSpike> I have a problem with the Gnome bluetooth app.  When I open the new device wizard, it shows no devices.  But "hcitool scan" finds my device instantly
[11:28] <macvr> coz_: yup.. compiz works fine...
[11:28] <coz_> macvr,  try creating another panel
[11:28] <Craig-GB> thanks, ah yeah, guessed that, just don't know about the other 3 it wants to remove
[11:30] <crdlb> Craig-GB: look if it wants to install newer versions of those same pages, eg libpt2.6.1*
[11:30] <crdlb> pkgs*
[11:30] <macvr> coz_: works fine for me... all the directions orient correctly... maybe try after relogging , if u still have same prob
[11:31] <coz_> macvr, here is what happens when I try to add a new panel while compiz is running  http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_4.png
[11:31] <coz_> cant move it either :)
[11:31] <coz_> brb
[11:31] <macvr> coz_: thats a wierd behavior... try loggong out and login
[11:33] <coz_> macvr,  nope still puts the panel in the center screen
[11:33] <coz_> mm
[11:34] <Craig-GB> gah can't belive i didn't notice that, yeah its going to replace them, awesome thanks for your help
[11:34] <coz_> no big deal I dont use two panels
[11:34] <macvr> coz_: try $killall gnome-panel
[11:34] <rconan> coz_: what's the problem?
[11:34] <coz_> ok hold on
[11:34] <coz_> oh man that made the singel panel open in the middle lol
[11:35] <coz_> and I cant move it lol
[11:35] <rconan> coz_: how are you trying to move it?
[11:35] <macvr> coz_: oops!!!
[11:35] <coz_> even with compiz off I cant move the darn thing lol
[11:35] <coz_> let me restart x hold on
[11:35] <macvr> rconan: chechout his screenshot
[11:36] <coz_> yikes lol
[11:36] <coz_> that fixed it :)
[11:36] <rconan> macvr: can't find it
[11:36] <macvr> coz_: now everything works fine?
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  yes  lol
[11:37] <macvr> rconan: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_4.png
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  well no  let me check again
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  nope second panel still opens in center of screen :)
[11:37] <lunie2ns-linux> hello, I just upgraded SoX and I need to add OGG Support and MP3 Support for SMILE...anyone can help me with this? I'm still pretty new to linux.
[11:38] <rconan> urgh...
[11:38] <rconan> weird
[11:38] <macvr> coz_: i think i'v seem this behaviour earlier but just not able to recall the solution... try googling
[11:38] <macvr> seen
[11:38] <rconan> coz_: have you tried removing the gnome configuration data and starting again?
[11:38] <coz_> macvr, sure I will  its not really a big deal I never use two panels
[11:39] <coz_> rconan, no I havent I will do that though in a bit  thanks :)
[11:39] <benste> which pacakge contains media codecs for using m3u playlists?
[11:39] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I dont use SoX  but have you installed all of the codecs
[11:39] <macvr> coz_: think it had something to do with the screen resolution settings...
[11:39] <rconan> coz_: I warn you it's a random guess at the solution
[11:39] <rconan> benste: m3u is just a list of files... you don't need a codec
[11:39] <coz_> rconan, no problem I dont mind testing things
[11:40] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: not sure how do i check?
[11:40] <coz_> macvr,  mm you think?  I do have dual monitors
[11:40] <macvr> coz_: what graphics card?
[11:40] <benste> rconan the problem is that rythmbox gives me searching codecs every startup and afterwards a failed cause of two m3u files in my ~/Musik
[11:40] <Rods_Tiger> I've installed Unbuntu 9.04 netbook version onto my Acer Aspire One. There's no internet - the wifi doesn't work.
[11:40] <rconan> coz_: is your top panel stretched accross them both?
[11:41] <rconan> benste: what files do those m3u's contain?
[11:41] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  well you could  do two things    sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-formats  and also google ubuntu restricted formats  however  a bit of a warning   that page  might take a little more experience to deal with but try it
[11:41] <rconan> try opening them with text editor
[11:41] <coz_> rconan, yes it is
[11:41] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  i was reading off here ...btw i dunno if this helps http://forum.kde.org/smile-0-8-4-t-6032.html
[11:41] <coz_> macvr, nvidia
[11:41] <rconan> coz_: twinview?
[11:41] <coz_> yes
[11:41] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: I think installing madwifi source would fix it... although hopefully there's an easier method.
[11:42] <coz_> rconan,  and I have it set to maximize windows across both monitors  that may actually be the problem
[11:42] <Rods_Tiger> so what do I have to do? is it complicated?
[11:42] <macvr> coz_: i think it is something in the resolution settings, check if ur monitors are detected properly
[11:42] <coz_> although this never happened before
[11:42] <coz_> macvr, they are detected
[11:42] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-formats
[11:42] <benste> rconan: #EXTM3U
[11:42] <benste> #EXTINF:495,Ollie & Gideon - Trailer
[11:42] <benste> 2008-12-19-WSN-Trailer.MP3
[11:42] <benste> and repeating the last two lines with different file names so MP3 only
[11:42] <rconan> coz_: ok... so that's by design
[11:42] <macvr> coz_: u need to remember this is still beta so buggy, could get new probs!
[11:42] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, mm it should be in the repository
[11:43] <lunie2ns-linux> u mean restricted-extras?
[11:43] <coz_> macvr,  yeah i realize that thats why  I though it was funny :)
[11:43] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Well take a look at this bug, I think it shows your problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/182489
[11:43] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, yes
[11:43] <rconan> benste: wonder if it's the capitalised .MP3 extension... do the files have that too?
[11:43] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, you are running KDE?
[11:43] <lunie2ns-linux> no
[11:43] <coz_> oh
[11:43] <Rods_Tiger> that looks ridiculously technical and complicated
[11:44] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, that link you gave me was for kde thats why i asked
[11:44] <Rods_Tiger> where do I start?
[11:44] <benste> rconan, yes they ahve
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  in it says "You must install libogg-dev and libvorbis-dev and
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> libmad-dev and after compile sox from this address
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sox/s...z?download
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> because on Ubuntu sox is compiled without ogg
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> support and SMILE need it
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> oops
[11:44] <rconan> benste: that's odd
[11:44] <coz_> yep it does say that lunie2ns-linux
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> so i assume i can use with ubuntu
[11:45] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Yeah, I'm not good at giving directions for that.  I was hoping someone else could point you to easier instructions.
[11:45] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, I would think so if you compile it properly
[11:45] <Rods_Tiger> I don't understand any of it - it needs to just say what to do, really, without the mumbo-jumbo
[11:45] <benste> rconan: opening manually with rythmbox works fine :-)
[11:45] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Because I'd think that fixing this 7+ month old hardware incompatibility would have been a real high priority... I have the same wifi chip and use it with ubuntu 8.04
[11:45] <coz_> I know I have one big issue with 9.04  I keep getting corrupted pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin
[11:46] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok i installed libogg and libvorbis...couldnt find libmad...then ran sox again and it said was already newest version..
[11:46] <coz_> pl
[11:46] <coz_> ok
[11:46] <coz_> sorry
[11:46] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: So I was really hoping that it would have been fixed already in 9.04, and you wouldn't need to work at it.
[11:46] <rconan> benste: sorry... sounds like a rythmbox bug
[11:46] <rconan> benste: checked the tracker?
[11:46] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, hold on let me check something
[11:46] <Rods_Tiger> that's exactly what I'd assumed - that wifi might be somewhat important
[11:47] <benste> rconan not yet but I'll switch to ryhtmbox IRC :-) cause rythmbox now declares it as a bug itself :-9
[11:47] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  sox is in the repository
[11:47] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, sudo apt-get install sox
[11:47] <Rods_Tiger> so I've wasted all morning installing a linux that doesn't work on wireless. I didn't realise that. Still. Live and learn.
[11:47] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Well, its not super-hard to fix.
[11:47] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how.
[11:47] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  but when i run SMILE, it says the SOX is installed but not OGG Support and MP3 Support for SoX
[11:47] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: If you want to try it, start by going madwifi.org and getting a source tar
[11:48] <crdlb> it's not "wireless" that's broken, it's one specific chipset
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> oh bloody hell, that sounds technical. Forget it.
[11:48] <benste> rconan: ryhtmbox is part of gnome isn't it?
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> what other linux version might work better? I was thinking about fedora 10
[11:48] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: sox is already the newest version.
[11:48] <doleyb> crdlb: It's a specific chipset that is enormously popular and supported by other distros for almost a year.
[11:48] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ,mm hold on
[11:48] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: What hardware?
[11:48] <rconan> benste: not sure... might not be
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> Acer Aspire One
[11:49] <benste> rconan: it is, found the IRC now :-)
[11:49] <rconan> benste: cool
[11:49] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Wait, you're using Jaunty?
[11:49] <Rods_Tiger> I just want something that works - I don't want to fart around doing technical stuff or programming or complicated things like that.
[11:49] <Rods_Tiger> ubuntu
[11:49] <maxb> Yes, which version of Ubuntu.
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> I don't know - I've only just put it on
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> I'll find out
[11:51] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Well, I can tell you that the latest release works fine on the Aspire One if you install an extra package (linux-backports-modules-intrepid), and the development version works fine out of the box.
[11:51] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  are you trying to convert files?
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how to find out
[11:51] <maxb> Run lsb_release -c
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how to install things without wifi working
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> what's the development version? maybe I should use that
[11:52] <crdlb> you don't have wired internet?
[11:52] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  try sudo apt-get install libsox-fmt-ogg
[11:52] <maxb> No, you definitely should not.
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> wireless
[11:52] <crdlb> those are not mutually exclusive
[11:52] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: $ cat /proc/version
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> it's a BT Homehub
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> eh?
[11:52] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  that shold enable the support in sox you want
[11:52] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  no when i run SMILE it says some dependencies are missing, IE: SOX - OGG Support and SOX - MP3 Support
[11:52] <BUGabundo> hey crdlb maxb
[11:53] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: they have wired connections too don't they
[11:53] <rconan> ?
[11:53] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, right
[11:53] <maxb> BUGabundo: Well.... that'll say the kernel version, not the Ubuntu version.
[11:53] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Maybe you can follow this page http://madberry.org/2008/11/how-to-get-atheros-ar242x-to-work-on-810-intrepid-ibex/
[11:53] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  so try installing that library for sox -ogg support
[11:53] <Rods_Tiger> I don't have any wires, and it's too far away to connect wires to anyway
[11:53] <crdlb> ...
[11:53] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Far away?  But it is a 12 cm device, you can carry it anyplace.
[11:53] <BUGabundo> maxb: correct! yours better
[11:54] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Note that this channel is devoted to support of the development version of Ubuntu, which I'm fairly certain you're not using.
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> no, I'm not going to mess around programming things. I'm going to install something that works. Ubuntu obviously wasn't that.
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> I don't have any wires despite the size of the device.
[11:54] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne <<< have u checked this site for help?
[11:54] <crdlb> according to wikipedia, the BT homehub comes with an cat5e cable
[11:54] <crdlb> s/an/a/
[11:54] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: E: Package libsox-fmt-ogg has no installation candidate
[11:54] <doleyb> maxb: he was sent here from #ubuntu because he said he had 9.04
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> mine doesn't.
[11:54] <maxb> doleyb: Oh
[11:54] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ooo  damn
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> mine was one of the first - engineer installed
[11:55] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, let me check here hold on
[11:55] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Do you want to tell us what running "lsb_release -c" says?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> eh?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> what does that mean?
[11:55] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: run "lsb_release -c" in a terminal
[11:55] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: We want to establish what version of Ubuntu you're actually using
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> am I in the wrong page?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:55] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you're correct that library is not in 9.04 repositories
[11:55] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  FYI this is everything ive done sofar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898281
[11:55] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> lsb command not found
[11:56] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: that's an underscore after lsb not a space
[11:56] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  open synaptic pacakge manager   hit Search  type in sox   you will see the libraries avaiable for it
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:56] <lunie2ns-linux> coz also says... However the following packages replace it: libsox-fmt-base.. but i have this installed most recent version
[11:56] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[11:57] <Rods_Tiger> it says no arguments are permeitted
[11:57] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, mm  hold on let me read further
[11:57] <Rods_Tiger> no, this is not working out. I'll try Fedora 10 instead.
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> or go back to the original Acer Aspire One linpus that was on it in the first place, but has out of date firefox on it.
[11:58] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne check this page before u give up/
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[11:58] <BUGabundo> macvr: don't bother1
[11:58] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: feel free, it would be good of you to tell us what version of ubuntu you were running thouhg
[11:58] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  only thing in synaptic not installed was libsox-dev i believe..ill be afk for about 5 minutes...
[11:58] <BUGabundo> we can't convert *everyone*
[11:58] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: *shrug* Ig that's what you want to do, do it.
[11:58] <maxb> *If
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> I don't know what version it is
[11:59] <BUGabundo> we will help those that want our help
[11:59] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, did you compile sox?
[11:59] <BUGabundo> not make a religion out of this
[11:59] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: which requires you running "lsb_release -c"
 I've installed Unbuntu 9.04 netbook version onto my Acer Aspire One. There's no internet - the wifi doesn't work.
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> I tried that, it says no arguments or something
[11:59] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  what do u mean by compile? its installed... if thats what u mean
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> no arguments are permitted
[11:59] <crdlb> Rods_Tiger: that's because you forgot the - in -c
[11:59] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: on a terminal run this: cat /etc/lsb_release
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:59] <crdlb> or you put a space between them
[12:00] <crdlb> precision is important
[12:00] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, no I meant manual install configuring from source pacakge   and you didnt apparenlty
[12:00] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:00] <Rods_Tiger> it's phenomenally fussy isn't it. It says "jaunty"
[12:00] <BUGabundo> me and underscores !
[12:00] <macvr> BUGabundo: realized he was getting too much advice for a lot of people, just felt that aleast for his wasted time he should be sure he has really wasted time, than jumping to conclsions!
[12:00] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Right, well, I can tell you that I'm running Jaunty on my Aspire One and the wireless works just fine.
[12:00] <lunie2ns-linux> oh noe..but like i said...be afk for about 5 minutes..can i do this still with it already isntalled?
[12:00] <Rods_Tiger> I hope it's not like this for the rest of the time if it ever does start working
[12:00] <lunie2ns-linux> afk
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> I don't want to be typing in programming stuff forever
[12:01] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: I would also note that running a pre-release version of the OS is not the best idea if you're looking for stability.
[12:01] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: try ubuntu network remix! it should have FULL support for your acer
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> this is the netbook one
[12:01] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: why are you using jaunty over intrepid?
[12:01] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> I've no idea
[12:01] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: then I recommend you use intrepid...
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> does it make a difference?
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[12:02] <BUGabundo> WAIT
[12:02] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: jaunty is still in beta!
[12:02] <BUGabundo> are you beeing it by bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319825 ?
[12:02] <maxb> Oh gosh, I'm sure that'll be it
[12:02] <maxb> I'd totally forgotten that I'd blacklisted that locally already
[12:03] <maxb> and I'm the one who filed that bug, too :-)
[12:03] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[12:03] <macvr> BUGabundo:  that stupid killswitch problem has been around for quite a while !!!
[12:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[12:03] <BUGabundo> affected me for a while with this laptop
[12:03] <BUGabundo> no HARD button
[12:03] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  what are you tring to do with smile?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> got me to interpid and then jaunty to fix it properly
[12:04] <macvr> BUGabundo: works ok in jaunty though..
[12:04] <BUGabundo> humm sometimes
[12:04] <BUGabundo> I don't think its 100% fixed
[12:04] <BUGabundo> at least I turned it once off, hibernated, and required to reboot to make it ON again
[12:04] <macvr> BUGabundo: no .. thats y i said works OK...!!!
[12:05] <benste> I've installed gadmin-proftpd on a 9.04 system, I'm able to ping this system, but I can't connect with FTP, the server itself is running (tested psaux), but the gui says it's not running,
[12:05] <benste> what else can I do to connect to the FTp?
[12:05] <macvr> BUGabundo:  i didnt have that hibernat prob in jaunty...
[12:06] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  back
[12:06] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  isnt Smile a kde app?
[12:07] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  and what are you wanting to do with smile?
[12:08] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: think so.. but it says it runs with ubuntu on that forum and it is running just missing the mp3 and ogg support for Sox...
[12:08] <coz_> mm
[12:08] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I bet when you installed that it also installed mane kde libs  most likely
[12:08] <coz_> many kde libs rather
[12:09] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ah..and to check out making the 3d slideshows and whatnot to answer your question..
[12:10] <lunie2ns-linux> can i run KDE on ubuntu....?or would i have to re set everything up?
[12:10] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  3d slideshow? oh ok  I know there is a command line tool named  Diascope  but that may too much for you right now
[12:11] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, well KDE is another desktop environment  as is Gnome  and you would have to install all of kde and when you boot  , right where you log in you would click sessions  and choose kde instead of gnome
[12:11] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I dont normally suggest that especially for someone new to linux
[12:11] <lunie2ns-linux> ok...
[12:12] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you could burn the kubuntu disk and install that instead
[12:12] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  but i have no more inforamtioin about this Smile application on gnome
[12:12] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  i was wondering about having to reset everything up because it was a pain getting my wifi to work had to install ndiswrapper or something and all kinds of other stuff
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  yes you would most likely have to reset everything
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, you may want to google     linux slide show creators  or slide show applicatioins
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  see if any are native to gnome
[12:14] <lunie2ns-linux> but if i just added the KDE environment onto my existing ubuntu installation, would it carry configurations like that over?
[12:14] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  no probably not
[12:14] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you would have to start at the beginning configureing things again
[12:15] <lunie2ns-linux> ok well that is the only thing driver wise that didnt work from the getgo, but it took a while to get running
[12:15] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, but then I dont do this myself so I have no real knowledge of it
[12:15] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[12:16] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  its probably better to get used to linux as you have it  ... look for applications that are native to gnome  ... if you go to Applications/Add/Remove  you will see many apps listed in a menu like format
[12:16] <coz_> you also have a search field there that can help
[12:16] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, see what is already avaiable that does the same or similar thing
[12:17] <lunie2ns-linux> well  i can run SMILE now, its just I wont have mp3 or ogg support i assume the program opens up..just gives me the dialog box saying those dependencies are missing from Sox but it still runs...just need to find out how to have sox have mp3 and ogg support which the forums say could be added..but how do i compile it after,..and i installed 2 of the 3...but it didnt see libmad, do i need to do that manually?
[12:17] <lunie2ns-linux> k
[12:17] <coz_> ok let me check one more thing
[12:17] <benste> connecting to remote ftp I get the following error, what did I wrong? 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
[12:18] <Raylz> where are downloaded but not yet installed packages stored
[12:19] <BUGabundo> Raylz: ah?
[12:19] <BUGabundo> Raylz:  /var/cache/apt/archive ?
[12:19] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  see if you have the libmp3lame and libmp3lame-dev installed
[12:19] <BUGabundo> there where's everything goes
[12:19] <Raylz> BUGabundo: ty
[12:20] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  then open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get build-dep  sox
[12:21] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: E: Build-dependencies for sox could not be satisfied.
[12:21] <coz_> mmm
[12:21] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you are running ubuntu 9.04 correct?
[12:21] <macvr> hi all... does the notification popup when u insert a pendrive?
[12:21] <lunie2ns-linux> correct
[12:22] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ok part of this may be due to the fact that 9.04 is still beta
[12:22] <lunie2ns-linux> ok..
[12:22] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  however  if you go here  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10311&release_id=639113
[12:23] <coz_> Lunar_Lamp, you can download the current source package of sox
[12:23] <coz_> Lunar_Lamp, sorry
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  that was for you  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10311&release_id=639113
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  but dont do anything until  jaunty is released
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  have you done all o f the  updates for jaunty yet?
[12:23] <lunie2ns-linux> where?
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  well  you could open a terminal and type  sudo apt-ge
[12:24] <coz_> soryy
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,   open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get update
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  but  WARNING  this could break the driver you installed for your wireless  but I am not sure
[12:26] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you can do both of those command to see if there are major updates especially kernel updates that might effect that driver  but you dont have to commit to them just type  N
[12:26] <coz_> for no
[12:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:26] <unknown_> Hello Guys
[12:27] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: coz_ or dist upgrae can be done by  >>update-manager -d
[12:27] <unknown_> I've got one small question... is it normal (optimal) that my xorg.conf is empty? :/
[12:27] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj unknown_
[12:27] <BUGabundo> unknown_: yes
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[12:27] <coz_> macvr,  yep I thought in terminal would give the opportunity to see how that works  and read the updates easily
[12:28] <unknown_> hello BUGabundo
[12:28] <benste> no one here ever tried to setup an FTP server?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> i have filezilla setup and it's both server and client
[12:29] <BUGabundo> benste: I just use SSH
[12:29] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok says needs 540MB of archives and 6111kb disk space will be freed...
[12:30] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, for what?
[12:30] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  all the updates?
[12:30] <lunie2ns-linux> dist-upgrade
[12:30] <coz_> mmm
[12:30] <lunie2ns-linux> try it?
[12:30] <topyli> benste: that's not really a jaunty question, but yes it's dead simple to setup vsftpd
[12:31] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  not yet  .. i would speak to one of the support people here to be sure    I am half asleep  and cant think clearly
[12:31] <topyli> benste: not too many use cases for an ftp sever these days though
[12:31] <benste> Bugabundo, topyli, I installed it in a VM using jaunty, cause vbox doesn't work fine with guest additions, and ssh is a bit complicated for it isn't it? I've installed gadmin-proftpd
[12:31] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo , what advantage does ssh have over ftp ? I thought they had different uses.
[12:32] <lunie2ns-linux> ok or see if later if anyone knows how to add mp3/ogg support maybe...i still have the log from the person that helped me get my wifi driver workign tho, so i imagine if it breaks i can just follow all that again..hopefully
[12:32] <x4d> Hello, I'm trying out Jaunty and I noticed that remote desktop does not work properly, I've seen this happen in mint kde and kubuntu 8.10, after the connection is established the first frame is drawn and no more. I can see the mouse moving around but no other actions like menus or windows. Is there a fix for this ?
[12:32] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, yes please .. you want to do as much research first before doing anything incluiding the updates
[12:32] <BUGabundo> benste: SSH is a bit more CPU heavy but comes by default
[12:33] <unknown_> do You know any good way to disable touchpad when typing? I found syndaemon, but it doesn't seems to work
[12:33] <BUGabundo> and you also have SAMBA
[12:33] <BUGabundo> unknown_: wasn't that abnadoned?
[12:33] <BUGabundo> maco ping
[12:33] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:33] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: mp3 works fine for me...
[12:33] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok well thanks for your help :-)
[12:33] <lunie2ns-linux> macvr: im trying to add mp3/ogg support to Sox
[12:34] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, sorry for the sleepyness :)  but in all honesty please check with the support people here :)
[12:34] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: oh... ok
[12:34] <coz_> be back later
[12:34] <unknown_> BUGabundo: I'm not sure, but its worked fine on 8.10 :)
[12:35] <BUGabundo> unknown_: I know maco once comment on that... not sure how it is now
[12:35] <macvr> BUGabundo: syndaemon doesnt work?
[12:36] <unknown_> macvr: at least for me :/
[12:36] <macvr> unknown_: it crashes for me too...
[12:37] <unknown_> macvr: for me doesn't crash, but simply doesn't work ;)
[12:38] <macvr> unknown_: thats the only thing that has crashed for me several times...
[12:38] <unknown_> so, there's no way to disable touchpad now when typing? It's annoying when you type something and you touch TP and coursor goes into middle of text..
[12:39] <macvr> unknown_: i think it works partly... wait let me check it out again
[12:39] <unknown_> thanks macvr
[12:41] <unknown_> I know that on 8.10 was needed to put Option    "SHMConfig"         "true" in xorg.conf now xorg.conf is total empty :/
[12:41] <robin0800> unknown_: you can disable completly in the mouse prefs.
[12:41] <macvr> unknown_: check again it is working for me..
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:42] <benste> who's the one I could ask to update gstreamer version to 0.10.11 cause of a bug?
[12:42] <unknown_> robin0800: I can't disable it completly, I'm using it..
[12:42] <macvr> unknown_: first open system monitor and check if any instances are running , if so kill them all>> then try this $syndaemon -d -i 10
[12:43] <unknown_> macvr: nothing..
[12:44] <macvr> unknown_: nothing meaning nothings running or nothing works>
[12:44] <unknown_> nothing works macvr
[12:45] <macvr> unknown_: syndaemon -d -i 10 this command works perfectly for me, ... after u ran that did u check again for any instances of syndaemon?
[12:45] <unknown_> its running but doesn't work.. 29406 ?        Ss     0:00 syndaemon -d -i 10
[12:46] <unknown_> macvr: do You have also empty xorg.conf?
[12:46] <macvr> unknown_: oh i forgot... xorg.conf is not used now
[12:46] <macvr> unknown_: wait ... u need to create a file for the SHM...
[12:47] <unknown_> before it was in xorg.conf... now I got only there "Option "DontZap" "False" :)
[12:47] <macvr> unknown_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig < this is the new method used... xorg is not used
[12:48] <unknown_> Thank You macvr, I'll let know if thats works :)
[12:49] <macvr> unknown_: np... it works...
[12:50] <unknown_> ok, according to this small tutorial, I must reboot, I'll be back soon :)
[12:50] <macvr> unknown_: also add syndaemon to startup
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> !dontzap
[12:54] <aoupi> anyone here who also has trouble with play/pause in mplayer using pulse?
[12:55] <unknown_> macvr: works great! thanks a lot
[12:56] <macvr> unknown_: np... for me i had to change it for intrepid itself... i wonder ,how come xorg  worked for u!!!
[12:57] <aoupi> nevermind found it's a pulse bug http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440
[13:00] <unknown_> maybe you know also why I've got a problem with bluetooth :P its funny cause when I open "browse device" it points me directly to /Other folder on memory card, I can't move anywhere else. In Nautilius it shows me address obex://[hwaddr]/
[13:04] <nandemonai> Does that hot-key issue noted in the topic affect teminal copy/paste?
[13:05] <nandemonai> I can't seem to copy using Ctrl-Shift-C but paste works fine.
[13:05] <dreamcoder> join #jaunty
[13:05] <dreamcoder> oops
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: does ctrl+insert work?
[13:06] <maxb> nandemonai: No that's a different kind of hotkey
[13:06] <maxb> (laptop hotkeys)
[13:07] <nandemonai> Oh right weird..
[13:07] <nandemonai> Well I can right click copy (in term) then Ctrl-Shift-V to paste but Ctrl-Shift-C doesn't seem to be working.
[13:08] <nandemonai> And no, appears Ctrl-Insert does squat.
[13:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Ctrl+Shift+C works for me with gnome-terminal
[13:09] <nandemonai> Odd indeed.
[13:09] <IntuitiveNipple> nandemonai: have you got some compiz plugin using that key sequence?
[13:09] <nandemonai> Only the default 'normal' compiz via appearance.
[13:10] <IntuitiveNipple> I often wish there was just one place to check all current key assignments
[13:10] <nandemonai> Under edit -> keyboard shortcuts in gnome term it's showing the right combos.
[13:11] <nandemonai> brb reboot
[13:14] <nandemonai> Ok well that's really weird, now it's working. *shrugs*
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: no bad thing, reboot to make sure its the same after a cold boot
[13:23] <nandemonai> yeah just did and all seems well. Might have had something to do with it being first boot after a bunch of updates, enabling compiz and restricted driver (nvidia)
[13:23] <nandemonai> Now next issue, has anyone been able to get VMware 1.0.9 to install under Jaunty?
[13:23] <nandemonai> I'm getting build errors on the modules.
[13:27] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu Jaunty 64-bit
[13:28] <cumulus007> the adobe flash player plugin in Firefox worked fine, until yesterday
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | cumulus007
[13:28] <cumulus007> all I see now is a plain, grey box
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> oops
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> habit
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: have you tried getting the 64bit tar.gz of flash and extracting the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:29]  * deany resisting the urge to install a beta..
[13:29] <cumulus007> no I didn't. I experienced this before, and I think I got the solution
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: head back if its no good
[13:29] <cumulus007> firefox tells me on the console: Wrong ELF class
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: yep you got the 32bit flash
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[13:31] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: I haven't old you the strangest part.. sometimes, it works fine
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:31] <cumulus007> like now:
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: then extract the archive at the bottom of the page to home and cp the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:32] <cumulus007> http://imagebin.ca/view/ByH97mB8.html
[13:32] <cumulus007> okay, will try that
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: once thats done close ALL firefoxes and restart it
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: all good?
[13:43] <cumulus007> busy
[14:03] <nandemonai> Ah sweet, for infos sake, VMware Server 1.0.9 works if you use the patch for Intrepid.
[14:03] <BUGabundo> back
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: submit a bug, share the knowledge
[14:04] <nandemonai> More of a VMware bug though no?
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: i'm sure it'll get communicated
[14:04] <nandemonai> Okies will do then.
[14:13] <deany> vmware has poor linux support
[14:13] <deany> hence, i switched to vbox
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> deany: ive had no issue with it when i played with VMs
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> deany: but vbox is much easier
[14:14] <nandemonai> Unfortunately I'm tied to VMware due to uni.
[14:14] <nandemonai> How is VBox these days?
[14:14] <deany> it was always a module compiling issue with newer distros.. host and guest
[14:15] <deany> they dont acknowledge any such issues tho.. so you end up just havin to patch all the time
[14:15] <deany> new vbox (2.2) out as we speak. :)
[14:15] <nandemonai> Mmm, I'm just lucky the Intrepid patch took. Certainly not my cup o tea.
[14:16] <nandemonai> vbox wont play vmware machines though.. will it?
[14:16] <deany> i found vbox less hungry too.  vmware is a nice product tho
[14:16] <deany> there is a converter around somewhere.
[14:16] <deany> google it.. read it once somewhere.
[14:16] <nandemonai> Ooo I may just have to check that out.
[14:17] <nandemonai> Having to play the patch game every kernel upgrade is getting tedious.
[14:17] <deany> think its more like convert to some standard format, then to vbox.
[14:17] <deany> somewhere on libernix or howtoforge i think.
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> deany: its the bane of closed sourceness
[14:18] <nandemonai> I fully agree but yeah I'm kinda tied to it for study purposes at the moment.
[14:18] <deany> nandemonai, how much trouble would it be to just reinstall and restore a backup of /home?  or is it more complicated
[14:19] <nandemonai> Hmm? What do you mean?
[14:19] <nandemonai> I'm on a fresh Jaunty install as of this evening.
[14:19] <deany> the vm i mean, not your host.
[14:20] <nandemonai> Oh right heh
[14:20] <deany> rather than converting
[14:20] <nandemonai> Well I need Win / Linux and *ughh* netware images from Uni so quite painful.
[14:21] <nandemonai> The Linux ones would be fine to rebuild but the win/netware vms are a diff story.
[14:22] <deany> probably best to just stay as you are.  just dont upgrade kernels if you dont need to :)
[14:23] <nandemonai> Yeah that's it. I just couldn't resist the alure of Jaunty :P
[14:23] <nandemonai> I gotta say, it's so much quicker than Intrepid. <3
[14:24] <nandemonai> And apart from some weird shortcuts not working initially it's running fine so far *touch wood*
[14:24] <aRahim> hello
[14:25] <aRahim> upgraded to jaunty 2day
[14:25] <aRahim> but found my eth0 link to be down
[14:25] <aRahim> and i have to 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' from terminal after every boot up
[14:25] <aRahim> how to activate eth0 to come up automatically at boot up
[14:25] <nandemonai> Did you use the alternate installer?
[14:26] <deany> with my intrepid configured the way it is, i wouldnt dare an upgrade
[14:26] <nandemonai> I noticed that when I installed it wrote a /etc/network/interfaces file that prevented network manager handling the connection.
[14:26] <aRahim> i used 'update-manager -d'
[14:26] <aRahim> from intrepid
[14:26] <deany> i tihnkk upgrades work from a fresh install of the earlier version :)
[14:26] <deany> think*
[14:27] <cumulus007> put the ifup command into your /etc/rc,local
[14:27] <nandemonai> Ah okies. aRahim, have you got anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:27] <cumulus007> , >> .
[14:27] <deany> anything else, forget it.. from my experience anyway.
[14:28] <aRahim> nandemonai: o  let me pastebin
[14:28] <nandemonai> deany: Yeah I didn't take the chance, went clean ;)
[14:29] <deany> time needed to setup apps again compared to time needed to fix problems....nahh.
[14:29] <aRahim> ok here http://pastebin.com/d6c971e02
[14:29] <nandemonai> hehe exactly my toughts deany ;)
[14:31] <nandemonai> aRahim: Hmm well looks like that should work. I found that /etc/network/interfaces was preventing NM handling my connections and what I did was mv it to a backup and rebooted, then reconfigured my connections in NM. You could give that a go.
[14:32] <aRahim> nandemonai: ok
[14:32] <mvo> deany: upgrade should work wether fresh install or not
[14:32] <nandemonai> aRahim: Although, in that paste you have eth0 set as manual yet no settings so that could be messing things up too.
[14:32] <aRahim> nandemonai: so should i edit that line?
[14:32] <mvo> deany: there are often problem caused by third party addons, but stuff that comes from the ubuntu repo will upgrade cleanly most of the time
[14:33] <nandemonai> aRahim: So yeah try my suggestion first, mv the file to a backup like interfaces.bak or something, reboot and set up the connection through NM.
[14:33] <aRahim> ok
[14:33] <nandemonai> If that doesn't work reinstate the backup and fill in settings for IP, DNS etc etc
[14:33] <aRahim> thanks a lot
[14:33] <aRahim> bye
[14:33] <nandemonai> No worries, gl.
[14:34] <sh_> Can someone help re sound problems with upgrade from 8 > 9.04? No sound at all after upgrading yesterday. solutions in forum did not work
[14:35] <deany> ^ mvo  heh.
[14:36] <deany> guess i cant seem to shake the "fresh install" feeling from windows days.
[14:36] <deany> nobodys perfect..
[14:38] <mvo> deany: I'm certainly not denying that there are problem. but I have nott reinstalled my desktop since ~2005 (had to actually look up when in the synaptic history :)
[14:39] <timc> Hello! Will Jaunty 9.04 include Okular 0.8.2? Intrepid 8.10 has Okular 0.7.4.
[14:39] <maxb> timc: You can check package versions at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[14:40] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus
[14:40] <timc> thanks maxb
[14:40] <dooglus> is there some way to stop that happening?
[14:46] <timc> will ubuntu learn from fedora, and categorize System
[14:46] <timc> err
[14:46] <timc> System -> Preferences
[14:48] <timc> It's alright if we keep it as a giant list of things that runs off the screen, but I'm just curious! Alright, thanks again maxb, back to work!
[14:48] <sh_> its not off my screen :)
[14:50] <timc> of course it's not. with a name like sh_  you probably don't even start x :)
[14:51] <rconan> it should at least scroll or make a double list if it runs offscreen
[14:51] <sh_> €o_O
[14:51] <rconan> methinks this is a bug
[14:52] <BUGabundo> any body wants to join in the discussion of bug 357719 ?
[14:52] <rconan> mine does it too running 1024x768
[14:52] <rconan> I think ubuntu should still be aiming to support that res
[14:53] <timc> sorry rconan, i wasn't being serious. mine scrolls. it's just clumsy.
[14:53] <BDis> How stable is 64 bit 9.04?
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BDis: as stable as it can get
[14:53] <maxb> As stable as 32 bit 9.04
[14:53] <rconan> oh... in actual fact mine fits perfectly to the screen
[14:54] <rconan> key point... *not* stable
[14:54] <rconan> since it's a beta release
[14:54] <unixdawg> beta we dont need no stinking beta
[14:55] <declan> V8237
[14:55] <declan> Hello Everyone. I'm looking for some help with sound on jaunty.
[14:55] <Tumie> the update-manager says that i need to do a small upgrade, but if I do that, it just doesn't starts upgrading
[14:56] <declan> Tried googling, ubuntu forums, messing about; no joy. Sound is completely dead. I have a V8237
[14:56] <sh_> declan: same problem here
[14:56] <declan> Ah. So it's probably a bug.  Not good. Was hoping it'd be sorted by the beta.
[14:57] <declan> I have all updates. Updated minutes ago.
[14:57] <sh_> rconan: i just updated from 8..does that include everything needed?
[14:57] <rconan> sh_: yeah
[14:58] <Tumie> rconan: he is now upgrading
[14:58] <rconan> sh_: I assume you mean 8.10 ?
[14:58] <lunie2ns-linux> Does anyone know how to add MP3 and OGG support to Sox?.......
[14:58] <Tumie> rconan: it works, ty :)
[14:58] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: ping
[14:58] <mvo> Tumie: what does it do instead?
[14:58] <mvo> Tumie: does u-m just hang?
[14:58] <sh_> rconan: er..yes..it was 8.10
[14:59]  * BUGabundo runs UM just to check
[14:59] <Tumie> mvo: it was prepairing the upgrade, but then just didn't runned it
[14:59] <rconan> sh_: have you checked the bug tracker... find your sound card model in "lspci" and then search for that on launchpad perhaps...
[15:00] <BUGabundo> mvo I have had UM just stay there a WHILE checking cache. usually I kill it, and the 2nd time it works okay
[15:00] <sh_> rconan..that just brings up a huge list of stuff i dont understand
[15:00] <BUGabundo> Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 1253583 1253689Failed to fetch ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[15:00] <rconan> hmm... haven't used this machine in a while
[15:00] <BUGabundo> this one is nice!
[15:00] <rconan> 330MB of updates :p
[15:00] <Tumie> rconan: XD
[15:01] <mvo> Tumie, BUGabundo: hm, is there output in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log when this is happening?
[15:01] <sh_> do i have to reinstall all my apps too after upgrading?
[15:01] <mvo> (the hang when its checking the cache)
[15:01] <rconan> sh_: no... they shuld still be installed
[15:01] <BUGabundo> mvo http://paste.ubuntu.com/146980/
[15:01] <sh_> rconan: some have vanished
[15:01] <Tumie> mvo: i already fixed it with some code somebody gave me...
[15:02] <sh_> rconan: e.g. google earth is gone..and i reinstalled it...and it doesnt work
[15:02] <BUGabundo> re-runing UM Check to be sure its not download probs
[15:02] <Tumie> mvo: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" worked for me
[15:02] <rconan> sh_: installed from medibuntu?
[15:02] <rconan> it always confuses me when people call terminal commands "code"
[15:02] <sh_> rconan: i downloaded the bin from google site
[15:02] <BUGabundo> mvo: I do get a lot of Cache Corrupt warnings
[15:02] <mvo> BUGabundo: hm, the timestamps look like they are old so its probably not logging there
[15:02] <Tumie> rconan: i'm sorry :p
[15:02] <rconan> sh_: I'd recommend checking out the package in medibuntu
[15:02] <rconan> !medibuntu | sh_
[15:02] <mvo> BUGabundo: you have packagekit installed, right :/ ?
[15:03] <BUGabundo> mvo when I say a lot, I mean at least 3 times a day, and every time I run it the 1st time in morning
[15:03] <rconan> it's a useful repo... and has, among other things, debs of googleearth
[15:03] <BUGabundo> mvo:   Installed: 0.3.14-0ubuntu4
[15:03] <BUGabundo> seem so
[15:04] <mvo> BUGabundo: I never go around debugging that, I put it higher up in my list now, thanks
[15:04] <BUGabundo> mvo: since I'm asking, is bug 252931 getting fixed anytime soon?
[15:05] <rconan> BUGabundo: says fix released :p
[15:05] <BUGabundo> ops
[15:05] <BUGabundo> wrong bug
[15:05] <BUGabundo> I set that one to fix released
[15:05] <BUGabundo> humm can't find the correct one
[15:06] <BUGabundo> mvo: it's the one that xampien search losses sorting
[15:07] <mvo> BUGabundo: did that re-appear? the latest status in the bug is that its working?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> no no
[15:08] <BUGabundo> that's a diff bug
[15:08] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: pong?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> hey
[15:08] <BUGabundo> bug 357719 ?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> tells you something ?
[15:10] <IntuitiveNipple> what does it tell me?
[15:10] <BUGabundo> just asking
[15:11] <BUGabundo> need to discuss it a bit
[15:11] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't think I'll bother with power-management - never get chance to take advantage of it :D
[15:12] <BUGabundo> ah
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> openjdk has been package building for the last 3 hours, grrr!
[15:12] <BUGabundo> oh damn... I thought nvidia refresh bug was fixed! I just saw it on UM
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> all to fix one lousy little missing bit of the Plugin-appletviewer interface :)
[15:13] <jeiworth> anyone running kde? i have a strange problem in kontact/korganizer, it seems it wont display neither day, week nor work week, month view is fine though...
[15:13] <sh_> how do you close a window which is frozen in ubuntu?
[15:14] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus; is there some way to stop that happening?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> mvo filling new one against apt-xapian-index
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: xkill
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: or just killing the parent process
[15:15] <BUGabundo> dooglus: that's a "feature" of flash
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: or clicking on the "close" button in the corner if in gnome/kde
[15:15] <nemo> both will prompt to kill the process
[15:15] <nemo> eventually
[15:16] <sh_> nemo:  the close button wasnt working
[15:17] <sh_> im trying to install something using the package installer and it sais there is more than one open....but there isnt
[15:17] <nemo> oh
[15:17] <nemo> heh
[15:17] <nemo> sh_: lots of things could have a lock on that
[15:18] <sh_> i only have the package installer and this irc prog open
[15:18] <nemo> update manager, gnome app install, synaptic
[15:18] <nemo> apt-get
[15:18] <nemo> some of those can even run in background
[15:18] <nemo> check your process list
[15:18] <sh_> and how does one do that?
[15:18] <sh_> :O
[15:19] <jeiworth> sh_: ctrl+esc
[15:19] <mvo> BUGabundo: please give me the bugnumber when you are done
[15:19] <BUGabundo> doing so now mvo
[15:19] <sh_> ctrl+esc does nothing
[15:20] <maxb> Is anyone else have a weird bug where occasionally the backgrounds of windows don't get drawn, and what you have behind them shows through?
[15:20] <sh_> maxb: yes
[15:20] <maxb> It happens to me most in gnome-terminal but that probably reflects the fact I just use gnome-terminal a lot
[15:21] <maxb> sh_: Do you happen to know if it's filed? I haven't filed it because it's so intermittent and so hard to describe usefully
[15:21] <IntuitiveNipple> invalid regions not being repainted?
[15:21] <maxb> I guess so
[15:21] <sh_> maxb: no sorry...i just noticed problems with the window backgrounds after upgrading
[15:22] <maxb> the background doesn't paint, but foreground in the same window does paint!
[15:22] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: I occassionally have seen 'black' areas (they suddenly just go black) that are resolved by scrolling the viewport out of range and back
[15:22] <sh_> i think something must have gone wrong with my upgrade because nothing works..no sound...apps have disappeared...when i try to reinstall them the package manager freezes etc..
[15:23] <sh_> its like going back to windows again :)
[15:23] <BUGabundo> mvo https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/357747
[15:29] <dooglus> BUGabundo: this 'feature' of flash doesn't happen in Windows...
[15:29] <BUGabundo> dooglus: then how do you play games? it needs to capture the keyboard
[15:30] <dooglus> BUGabundo: I think you must have misread what I wrote
[15:30] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus; is there some way to stop that happening?
[15:30] <dooglus> the flash applet loses keyboard focus when I double click, and regains it only if I single click
[15:31] <BUGabundo> dooglus: ah... I miss read. sorry
[15:32] <sh_> nemo: i just rebooted and it still sais there are more than one of the package installers open... cant install anything
[15:32] <BUGabundo> dooglus: do you have a test case I can try?
[15:32] <dooglus> BUGabundo: I noticed it on this game: http://www.kongregate.com/games/mrsneeze/colourshift
[15:33] <dooglus> BUGabundo: the keyboard (cursor keys) are used to shift the board on wrapped levels, and clicking rotates the pieces
[15:33] <deany> so a whole lot more updates, including kernel again.. but whats this command-not-found and command-not-found-data its installing/upgrading?
[15:33] <dooglus> if I want to rotate a piece by 180 degrees, I click twice, but then I can't shift the board if I clicked too fast, 'cos the double click caused it to lose focus
[15:34] <BUGabundo> deany: its auto complete
[15:34] <sh_> dooglus:  is it the same in all games?
[15:34] <dooglus> sh_: good question.  I was trying to think of a very simple flash applet that I could test it in.  can you think of something small, flash, and with keyboard input?
[15:36] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I didn't manage to get what the cursors where for :|
[15:36] <dooglus> BUGabundo: the first levels don't wrap around
[15:36] <dooglus> so the cursors don't do anything
[15:36] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:36] <dooglus> but there are 'challenge' levels, and you can pick wrapped or not I think
[15:36]  * BUGabundo trying upper leves
[15:37] <dooglus> try the biggest wrapped challenge
[15:37] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I can reproduce it
[15:37] <dooglus> ok
[15:37] <BUGabundo> either a bug in flash or the game
[15:37] <dooglus> I don't think flash is interpreting it as a double-click
[15:37] <dooglus> 'cos it acts like 2 single clicks
[15:38] <BUGabundo> mine is
[15:38] <BUGabundo> ohh yes
[15:38] <BUGabundo> its 2 single clicks
[15:38] <dooglus> i mean it works the same is if you do two clicks separated by a long time
[15:38] <BUGabundo> was it meant to be a Double click?
[15:38] <sh_> dooglus: : sorry i dont know any..
[15:38] <dooglus> the game just reads clicks - each click is a 90 degree rotate
[15:39] <dooglus> I wonder if it's the same in other browsers
[15:39] <dooglus> could be a firefox bug I guess
[15:39] <sh_> dooglus: : have u played the game in another browser?
[15:39] <sh_> heh
[15:39] <dooglus> I don't think I have any other browser
[15:40] <dooglus> I've very short of space, having installed with the default settings in wubi
[15:40] <dooglus> (ie. 5GB)
[15:40] <BUGabundo> dooglus: ah
[15:40] <BUGabundo> doesn't wubi sets 8GiBs now?
[15:40] <BUGabundo> you can resize it
[15:41] <deany> i think when i install this on/after 23rd im gonna remake my partitions, and leave out xp this time.....
[15:42] <dooglus> I think wubi sets the size according to the amount of free space in the windows disk
[15:42] <dooglus> how do I resize it?
[15:42] <dooglus> I've noticed that I can read/write the whole windows disk anyway via the /host/... mount
[15:42] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I saw a HowTo on the site
[15:43] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-505628.html
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but this is OT
[15:45] <BUGabundo> so... ask any further question on #ubuntu
[15:46] <deany> odd, i thought computer janitor would do more than remove debs not needed.  At least an "apt-get clean" as well.
[15:47] <BUGabundo> deany: file a wish bug please
[15:47] <BUGabundo> and let us know the bug id, please
[15:48] <p> Hey all, I just upgraded 8.10 to 9.04 using the alternate CD. Now (after the reboot) the update manager says I need to do a "partial upgrade" and download 400+ upgrade packages...can I do that off the CD? Did I miss something?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> p DON'T
[15:49] <BUGabundo> don't do partial installs if u don't know what you are doing
[15:49] <BUGabundo> some package my be removed!
[15:49] <p> BUGabundo, I don't really have anything I'm worried about losing. I just don't want to do the 300MB+ download, that's why I got the alternate CD.
[15:50] <kristian1> it's the final countdown!!!
[15:51] <dooglus> sh_: here's another example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DGko38IH4 -- the left and right keys seek through youtube videos.  but double-click the video and the keys stop working
[15:51] <dooglus> (make sure you have the volume up loud of course)
[15:53] <p> "Not all updates can be installed     Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible.  This can be caused by: a previous upgrade which didn't complete, problems with some of the installed software, unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu, normal changes of a pre-release version of Ubuntu."
[15:53] <p> (I think it's caused by the last thing in the list.)
[15:55] <kristian1> is there a place where i can see the main changes (not the tweaking) :-P from 8.10 to 9.04?
[15:56] <Ienorand> kristian1: beta main page?
[15:56] <p> That's what comes up when I run the update manager, like I said, I just upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 using the alternate CD.
[15:56] <p> Any ideas?
[15:56] <kristian1> Ienorand : yeah, but something more detailed than that?
[15:56] <p> kristian1: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.10
[15:57] <Ienorand> kristian1: Hmm I don't know...
[15:59] <kristian1> ok, thanks though.
[16:01] <dooglus> oh, a nice workaround: set the double-click timeout to be really short - now I can't double click at all & the probem goes away
[16:06] <mib_39gj3xnl> hi, i have installed ubuntu 9.04 and cannot get my wireless card to work, can someone help please ??
[16:06] <Extend> did you checked restricted drivers from the system 00 > administration menu
[16:06] <Extend> ?
[16:07] <eagles0513875> mib_39gj3xnl: lspci what kind of wifi card does it say you have
[16:07] <mib_39gj3xnl> yeh, its only got one thing some "modem"
[16:07] <maxb> mib_39gj3xnl: You should say what your wireless card is
[16:07] <mib_39gj3xnl> my wireless card is a atheros
[16:07] <eagles0513875> lspci shoudl show in the list your wifi card
[16:07] <eagles0513875> cant help there
[16:08] <mib_39gj3xnl> im going to try a fresh install, because i may have messed it up myself
[16:22] <Ienorand> How does g-power-manager decide whether to use time or percent for actions, has that got something to do with how much data it has collected?
[16:24] <Ienorand> SInce I've got time policy set in gconf but it still seems to use percent...
[16:25] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: good question!
[16:29] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: And just recently I tested running it all the way down, and even though I got a new battery (99% capacity) the computer died before battery reached 2% (action thershold) Wondering if this might be set to low by default also?
[16:30] <Ienorand> Potentially serious design flaw...
[16:30] <BUGabundo> I set mine to 5% or 3 min
[16:31] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Yea, but the default should be a good value, not something that kills some normal computers...
[16:31] <Ienorand> I'm going down atm let's see...
[16:32] <mbeierl> Say, anyone here have to use exchange web and have any problems with Evolution?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: you must love your disk so much
[16:34] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: I think its hggdh who mantains that plugin
[16:34] <hggdh> not really, but I look at Evo
[16:34] <hggdh> ;-)
[16:34] <mbeierl> hggdh: ah, ok thanks!
[16:34] <hggdh> mbeierl, what is the issue?
[16:35] <mbeierl> Well, evo-exh-storage keeps crashing
[16:35] <hggdh> 2.26?
[16:35] <mbeierl> it's rendering evo unusable for me
[16:35] <mbeierl> lastest 9.04 updates?
[16:35] <hggdh> mbeierl, first of all, do you use Exchange 2003 or 2007?
[16:36] <mbeierl> Ah.  It's outsourced.  How can I tell?
[16:36] <mbeierl> They gave us outlook 2003 so I assume it's exchange 2003.
[16:37] <mbeierl> yes
[16:37] <hggdh> yes
[16:37] <mbeierl> hggdh: I went to the owa signon and the banner says 2003
[16:37] <hggdh> that's good enough
[16:37] <hggdh> OK. so you get a e-e crash. Do you have a backtrace?
[16:38] <mbeierl> I got one once
[16:38] <mysticdarkhack> hello all
[16:38] <mbeierl> despite the fact that I set ulimit -c unlimited and ran it then attached via gdb
[16:38] <mbeierl> and it says "(core dumped)" I still cannot find any core file anywhere
[16:38] <mbeierl> there's no .crash file
[16:39] <mbeierl> and apport ignores the crash (as it should because there is no .crash)
[16:39] <mbeierl> I've installed the -dbgsyms for all the evo components
[16:39] <mbeierl> but... am I supposed to run a different version of the binary after adding the -dgbsym?
[16:39] <mysticdarkhack> Have everyone experience crash when you do a killall nautilus where icon or other stuff on desktop disappear?
[16:39] <hggdh> mbeierl, including e-e and eds?
[16:40] <hggdh> (I mean the dbgsyms)
[16:40] <mbeierl> yes
[16:40] <hggdh> ok