[00:02] <nojm> hey guys im using gpard gui and have started 'attempt data rescue' if anyone has used this can you tell me-when complete will it show partitions or raw dat- its currently 'looking for file system'
[00:03] <nojm> its a 3TB drive and its been 2days just wanna an idea if its worth persisting till the end
[00:04] <nojm> this is what screen looks like presently https://imgur.com/a/jwlkq
[00:04] <SmokinGrunts> Anyone else have sudden issues with Ambiance theme plus gtk2.0, certain light-foreground menus are displayed improperly?
[00:05] <SmokinGrunts> on 16.04
[00:06] <SmokinGrunts> 'cuz if so, there's something going on in the /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file, so I just overwrote it with 'Radiance' theme's gtkrc
[00:06] <SmokinGrunts> and all is well
[00:06] <michael2> hi, does anyone know how to remove a ssh priv key from gnome-keyring-daemon? `ssh-add -D' doesn't work
[00:07] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, ssh-add -D
[00:07] <SmokinGrunts> WELL
[00:07] <SmokinGrunts> er
[00:07] <SmokinGrunts> well
[00:07] <SmokinGrunts> that'll disable all, hang
[00:07] <nojm> think everyones drunk or in bed
[00:08] <nojm> 1534 of them lol
[00:08] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, just remove the keys from the proper directory
[00:08] <SmokinGrunts> ~/.ssh ?
[00:08] <SmokinGrunts> nojm story of my life.
[00:08] <nojm> :)
[00:09] <michael2> SmokinGrunts: i mean the decrypted key value being stored in the agent - not the encrypted priv key files
[00:09] <SmokinGrunts> it should update when gnome-keyring looks and update accordinly
[00:09] <SmokinGrunts> accordingly*
 are you fam with data recovery gparted (does gparted data recovery show partitions or file on scan completion?)
[00:11] <SmokinGrunts> nojm, yep
[00:11] <nojm> was that yes to both partions and files
[00:11] <SmokinGrunts> also photorec and testdisk
[00:11] <SmokinGrunts> yes to both
[00:12] <SmokinGrunts> what sorta drive, what happened, and what's goin' on now?
[00:12] <SmokinGrunts> gparted won't show individual files* I think...
[00:14] <nojm> thats my bup plan i rewrote the partion table and can only get to some of my files with the bups i have from test disk it was an ext drive but i took out pcb and put inside pc box then partion table not there so used test disk and rewrote part table lol will get there in end but drive is huge so anything takes forever
[00:14] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, for your reference: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472477
[00:15] <SmokinGrunts> nojm what manufacturer of drive?
[00:15] <SmokinGrunts> also, try to -never- rewrite the partition table, or -write- anything on a drive you're trying to recover data from
[00:15] <nojm> its a seagate 3TB jugging baby a typing sorry for slow replys
[00:15] <SmokinGrunts> no worries
[00:16] <SmokinGrunts> okay, since I don't personally have time to field this, go here and ask the ultimate HDD reverse-engineers: http://www.hddoracle.com/
[00:16] <SmokinGrunts> spildit is legit, but I dunno if he works with things other than WD
[00:16] <nojm> thank you
[00:16] <SmokinGrunts> they will help you so long as you present all pertinent info
[00:17] <SmokinGrunts> no prob :)
[00:17] <nojm> will bookmark and get onto it ur awesome thanks
[00:17] <SmokinGrunts> aye aye matey
[00:17] <michael2> SmokinGrunts: yeah its a bug. one way to fix is to prevent gnome-keyring-manager from managing ssh-keys and use something else that works, e.g. ssh-agent  maybe?
[00:18] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, hehe that'd do
[00:19] <michael2> SmokinGrunts: do you know of a way to do that? im not expert at ssh
[00:20] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, this is almost 10 years, it'd do well to post this publically, reference that bug thread link I gave you, and light some fire under folk's collective butts
[00:20] <SmokinGrunts> 10 year old bug
[00:20] <SmokinGrunts> lack of documentation
[00:20] <SmokinGrunts> story of my life, once again.
[00:21] <SmokinGrunts> I have a link for removing all keys?
[00:21] <SmokinGrunts> https://blmath.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/remove-password-from-keyring/
[00:23] <SmokinGrunts> michael2, best bet is to post it on https://askubuntu.com/ , reference that debian thread, and say something like "Why isn't there a way to remove single keys, and why isn't it documented?'
[00:24] <SmokinGrunts> link here when you're done posting so's I can see
[00:27] <SmokinGrunts> oic you're already chattin' away in #openssh, good
[00:28] <michael2> SmokinGrunts: i think that would get closed as unanswerable because people can only give opinions - which will of course be controversial - and probably an upstream debian thing, then eventually.... [crickets]....  occassional tumbleweed*
[00:28] <pep_> hi is this the place for community support?
[00:28] <SmokinGrunts> no! always err on the side of documenting issues!
[00:28] <SmokinGrunts> if you present your words properly, magical things can happen.
[00:31] <tomreyn> pep_: yes
[00:33] <tomreyn> michael2: try this workaround (disabling gnome keyring  daemons ssh agent functionality) https://askubuntu.com/questions/545172/how-do-i-disable-gnome-keyring-ssh-integration#607563
[00:34] <tomreyn> you'll need to logout + login from the graphical desktop to apply the change.
[00:34] <pep_> hi tomreyn, I installed ubuntu in the 4th partition of my ssd, and I cannot log into windows now (2nd partition)
[00:35] <pep_> I get to the loading screen of the windows logo, but then I get the troubleshoot program to fix the booting process
[00:36] <pep_> tried also the boot-repair program in linux
[00:36] <pep_> but nothing fixed it
[00:36] <tomreyn> pep_: does ubuntu start up fine?
[00:36] <pep_> more or less
[00:36] <michael2> tomreyn: it says in the comments this wont work on 16.04 , which is my distro
[00:36] <pep_> I deleted it from gparted in the live cd
[00:37] <pep_> and then reinstalled
[00:37] <pep_> If I manually choose the sda1 drive in the bios screen, it gets into te grub menu just fine
[00:38] <pep_> but if my computer starts as is, it gets into a grub error message
[00:38] <pep_> this didn't happen before i deleted the system, it worked everything fine except windows
[00:39] <pep_> I must say my computer is a desktop computer from 2010, so I don't think there's any problem with UEFI because I think it uses the traditional BIOS
[00:40] <tomreyn> pep_: sda1 is the first partition on the first drive,. sda is the first drive.
[00:41] <tomreyn> pep_: i understand that ubuntu booted fine, and that you have no ubuntu system installed now, and are seeking windows support. this is channel is for ubuntu support only, though.
[00:41] <pep_> yes, currently I have 4 partitions, 1 and 3 are minor ones, WIndows is in sda2 which is nearly 200gb, sda4 is over 30, with my Linux installation
[00:42] <pep_> Yeah, I know...
[00:42] <pep_> Ubuntu works fine...
[00:42] <pep_> so where can I ask for people who whappen to have similar experiences to me ?
[00:44] <tomreyn> i think there is ##windows
[00:44] <tomreyn> !alis
[00:53] <tomreyn> michael2: you can use "eval $(ssh-agent -s)" to create a new auth socket and then use "ssh-add -L" to list keys, "ssh-add path/to/key" to add one
[01:04] <Zippster> Good evening people - I am in a bit of a dilemma and wondering if anyone would have some guidance or insight. I am trying to install Ubuntu LTS or Current off a USB stick on a mac mini that does not have access to a keyboard until after boot - wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how I can initialize the install
[01:36] <moni> People are starting to lose Unity since a few hours...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1749839
[01:37] <moni> I wonder if this is wide spread or only a subset of users are affected.
[01:38] <bazhang> sign up for the bug moni and track it
[01:38] <moni> Already done.
[01:39] <ecormier> moni: not everyone uses unity, so it's definitely a subset of users :)
[01:39] <moni> Anybody from Canonical is aware of this?
[01:39] <moni> ecormier. :)
[01:39] <moni> But it is a big issue...
[01:40] <bazhang> moni, keeping track on the bugtracker is where to discuss this, not here
[01:40] <ecormier> if there is a bug report, then they know about it
[01:41] <moni> Ok.  So I need help.  Unity is gone.  I have no desktop...  I will search the web to get XFCE installed.  I think that Gnome cannot be installed at the same time as Unity, and I want to keep my system proper for Unity when the bug is going to be fixed.
[01:42] <bazhang> moni, sure it can, install gnome-shell for it
[01:42] <bazhang> moni, the package xubuntu-desktop will give you xfce
[01:43] <moni> I read that Gnome and Unity configurations clashs on Ubuntu 16.04, a few months ago.  I will not risk it.
[01:43] <bazhang> moni, thats simply not correct
[01:45] <xangua> moni: only thing that you must not do, is add third party repositories for getting latest gnome. Only that breaks unity
[01:46] <bazhang> moni, are you adding unsupported PPA?
[01:46] <moni> Ok, I understand.  But XFCE is being now installed... I only need a stop-gap solution until Unity comes back.
[01:46] <moni> bazhang, I did, for kmymoney.
[01:46] <moni> Then the problem occured.
[01:46] <bazhang> moni, gnome-shell is fine
[01:47] <moni> But since the bug report is 2 hours old and we are 6 already with the problem...
[01:47] <moni> I suspect that it was a coincidence.
[01:47] <ecormier> coincidence?
[01:47] <moni> Now we are 7.
[01:47] <moni> This bug seams major.
[01:48] <ecormier> from what's said in that bug report, it's going to hit all unity users
[01:48] <bazhang> moni, lets get back to topical support
[01:48] <ecormier> no worries, that'll be fixed fast
[01:48] <moni> Which channel can I go to talk about major bugs...
[01:49] <bazhang> moni, this is not the moment by moment bug tracker chat channel
[01:49] <bazhang> moni, get on the mailing list, participate there
[01:49] <moni> How does one logoff from a session without window manager?
[01:50] <bazhang> moni, did it remove lightdm as well?
[01:50] <bazhang> moni, can you not get to a tty?
[01:51] <moni> lightdm is there.  I logged in, but have no Window manager.  I have my default terminal.
[01:51] <moni> I could reboot....
[01:51] <ecormier> reboot is easy, and...
[01:51] <moni> But I wonder if there is a cli for loging off.
[01:52] <ecormier> don't forget to switch the desktop session before you enter your login password
[01:52] <ecormier> moni: a few
[01:52] <moni> ...  I rebooted...
[01:52] <ecormier> that works
[01:52] <moni> On my laptop.
[01:53] <moni> While rebooting, xubuntu logo showed up. :)
[01:54] <kenrin> cli for logging off,  you mean "exit" ?
[01:55] <ecormier> or restarting X
[01:55] <moni> No.  exit will only kill the terminal.
[01:55] <moni> I mean like returning to lightdm.
[01:55] <moni> Yeah, I have a desktop back.  Thanks guys.
[01:56] <ecormier> moni, fyi: sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service
[02:00] <moni> Merci ecormier.  J'en prends note.
[02:13] <neildugan> \join #python
[02:14] <stevejobsinhell> hi
[02:17] <stevejobsinhell> apt-get update core dumps.  http://codepad.org/OyTCrNwj
[02:18] <moni> Ok.  Time to go to bed.  Again, thank you all for your help.  Best regards.
[02:18] <stevejobsinhell> running 16.04 xenial
[02:19] <BenSolo> So fro what I am reading there is basically no way to get flgrx on anything 16.04 and later?
[02:19] <BenSolo> No more binary AMD drivers... like at all?
[02:19] <moni> stevejobsinhell, seams some binary corruption maybe?  Filesystem trouble?
[02:20] <moni> You may attempt to reinstall apt with dpkg...
[02:20] <stevejobsinhell> moni: this is a new laptop.
[02:20] <moni> ... :(
[02:20] <stevejobsinhell> so where do I get apt?
[02:20] <moni> And thus, a new drive...
[02:20] <moni> Search the web, for the package.  I have no clue where to get it, since like you, I always use apt...
[02:21] <ecormier> doubt it's an apt problem
[02:21] <ecormier> I guess a download problem or a mirror problem
[02:22] <moni> It could be a faulty memory on the laptop...
[02:22] <moni> On reboot, steve... you can run memtest...
[02:22] <ecormier> moni: start with the easy stuff and work up to memtest :)
[02:23] <BenSolo> Just stuck with the radeon package for older AMD cards then? surely there is some solution?
[02:23] <moni> Bensolo, I cannot help you.  I am an Nvidia/Intel guy.
[02:24] <moni> steve, if the problem is always with apt... try to update it.
[02:24] <moni> If you have random problems, other programs crashing.... faulty hardware probably.
[02:25] <stevejobsinhell> how do I update it if I can't run apt-get update?
[02:25] <moni> You find the package on the web (must be somewhere), download it and run dpkg -i <package>, if I recall corectlly.
[02:25] <ecormier> stevejobsinhell: in 'software and updates' try changing to a different mirror and retry the original command
[02:26] <baba_> steve jobs in hell??? seems a tad rough...
[02:26] <stevejobsinhell> who do i find a list of mirrors?
[02:26] <moni> I gotta go.  Bye guys and thanks.  A+
[02:27] <cfhowlett> stevejobsinhell, apt is integral to ubuntu.  Either you have a bad install or you manually deleted it.  if the former, get a clean .iso and reinstall.  if the later, download the .deb and dkpg -i to install it
[02:27] <ecormier> stevejobsinhell: open the 'software and updates' program and change 'download from:'
[02:27] <stevejobsinhell> ok thanks
[02:30] <BenSolo> this system is unusable with this video config.. I need AMD Binary drivers :(
[02:34] <stevejobsinhell> ecormier: it fails and says to check my internet connection.   http://codepad.org/VhW1MbUz
[02:57] <lapion> I have a very strange problem: the following only occurs while playing audio over earphones; when I play a video with vlc or mplayer I get audio from the left channel only, when I play a video through the flash player ( eg youtube video on firefox ) I get normal stereo audio.
[03:02] <stevejobsinhell> hi
[03:02] <stevejobsinhell> psql doesn't work even though the required packages are installed http://codepad.org/8KlOdhMe
[03:08] <cfhowlett> !root | stevejobsinhell
[03:08] <cfhowlett> you installed while root.  why?
[03:09] <ipatrol> Apparently sagemath-common has a Bionic package, but no Artful one
[03:11] <stevejobsinhell> cfhowlett: are you saying I should use sudo rather than login as root?
[03:11] <cfhowlett> absolutely!
[03:11] <stevejobsinhell> ok
[03:12] <crond> pfft. if you're the kind of wimp who doesn't grab live electrical wires, or make toast in the bath, sure
[03:12] <crond> but who wants to be that needlessly careful?
[03:14] <AirstrikeIvanov> Hi folks, does it matter what VNC service (or xrdp or teamviewer) that i use for remote desktop into LXDE?
[03:14] <cfhowlett> should make no difference whatsover, AirstrikeIvanov
[03:22] <ipatrol> these days a lot of software actually tends not to work if run in a root login session
[03:22]  * RtMF thinks back to when she had to run X as root on her first ever slackware install
[03:23] <ipatrol> some deliberately, others incidentally
[03:23] <ipatrol> Kali I think actually had to do a bit of work to get a Debian distro to work in full graphical mode on a root login
[03:25]  * RtMF should try to root this android
[03:28] <ipatrol> And I still can't get VLC to work on it, and apparently it would require altering the source and recompiling. Personally, I don't think a software program should deliberately obstruct unusual use cases without offering a command-line override
[04:08] <luxor> ola bom dia
[04:14] <stevejobsinhell> where do I get  apt-cache search postgres-plpython?  It's not under apt-search
[04:14] <smacktalk> what's the command to see the dvd
[04:16] <Bashing-om> !info postgres-plpython xenial | stevejobsinhell
[04:17] <stevejobsinhell> so how do I run PL\Python in postgres?
[04:18] <smacktalk> dmesg, df,
[04:18] <Pici> santa/10
[04:19] <orangepi> azsdv
[04:19] <orangepi> orangutu
[04:19] <orangepi> fdsgxvxcv
[04:19] <orangepi> gfgh
[04:19] <krytarik> Hey...
[04:19] <orangepi> aanef
[04:19] <orangepi> bhzbnv
[04:19] <orangepi> bhgtvfv fbnh
[04:19] <orangepi> jjhnjdghvghhgbgg g
[04:19] <orangepi> wwlikuhbh
[04:19] <krytarik> orangepi: Please stop this.
[04:19] <orangepi> dsza15zx5gs56hhjj v
[04:20] <orangepi> bchcgsv b
[04:20] <orangepi> hhhfdghbvdrh87y4
[04:20] <orangepi> @42$E#$%$T%FFHY
[04:20] <orangepi> &^%#E$SDCHK??|?>
[04:20] <krytarik> !ops | orangepi, cat alert..
[04:20] <stevejobsinhell> Bashing-om: what's this?  https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/database/postgresql-plpython-9.5
[04:21] <dax> stevejobsinhell: the -9.5 is part of the package name, so assuming you have xenial it'd be sudo apt-get install ostgresql-plpython-9.5
[04:21] <dax> postgresql*
[04:23] <stevejobsinhell> dax: thanks.  i'm suprised that didn't show up in apt-cache search's search result
[04:30] <robeph> is it safe to remove all these extra ubuntu sources? :\
[04:30] <robeph> they weren't part of the auto-remove bit so didn't know if there is some reason they're there
[05:46] <rtbt> is anyone else having issues connecting a kindle via usb?
[05:47] <rtbt> dmesg is saying there's a 110 error when connecting
[05:47] <rtbt> which doesn't make any sense, isn't a 110 error usually insufficient power?
[05:56] <amazoniantoad> Hi I can't seem to be able to ping any websites or connect to anything outside of my network. Can someone help me figure out what's going on?
[05:56] <amazoniantoad> thx
[06:07] <neildugan> amazoniantoad, it a lot of websites don't respond to ping... can you "ping google.com"
[06:19] <amazoniantoad> no
[06:19] <amazoniantoad> neildugan no
[06:50] <nojm> Would anyone care to speculate how long attemp data recovery scan via gparted would take 3TB seagate external hooked up via sata 3 cable running ubuntu 17.10 cant give any more specs atm (i dont think anyway) am currently scanning it with Gparted
[06:51] <kille> a long long time
[06:51] <nojm> been two days at this point wondering if i should just call it quits
[06:51] <kille> no give it some more time dude
[06:51] <nojm> okay thanks
[06:51] <kille> yeah...
[06:51] <kille> they take forever
[06:51] <kille> but good luck
[06:52] <nojm> when finished will it show partions or files or both
[06:53] <kille> should be both, if it could get both
[06:53] <EriC^^> nojm: what's the problem you were having?
[06:54] <nojm> deleted partition table think i deleted the required bup
[06:54] <EriC^^> bup?
[06:55] <nojm> will go back to tes disk if need be (backup test disk)
[06:55] <nojm> bup = backup from test disk sorry
[06:57] <EriC^^> nojm: you mean you have another disk that's an exact copy of this one?
[06:57] <nojm> i will never ever make the mistake of testing my backups before proceeding in future esp with such a large drive lmao gota laugh though
[06:57] <nojm> i wish
[06:58] <EriC^^> what do you mean by testing? the program called testdisk ?
[06:58] <nojm> i only have backups of the partition table but most likely not the ones i need
[06:58] <EriC^^> if you have a backup of the partition table then it's easy to restore
[06:59] <nojm> i made an external into an internal the table didnt show up so i ran testisk and wrote to disk what i found on the scan for recovering deleted partitons
[07:00] <nojm> pretty sure my backup was made after i disconnected the pcb and put the drive in my atx box
[07:00] <nojm> thinks i made a big boo boo
[07:01] <nojm> got 5 tesk disk backups i can write to disk and see if any are what i need but you know murphys law
[07:01] <EriC^^> nojm: what do you mean by you made an external into an internal?
[07:03] <nojm> had external hard drive in a case took it out of case unpluged a circuit board and connected it to my pc motherboard direct via sata and power inside the atx box because my usb 3.0 was faulty breaking and i was having issues (makes sense ?)
[07:05] <nojm> sup <SmokinGrunts> you drunk n asleep :) jokes hope you got it sorted
[07:06] <SmokinGrunts> ayeaye :)
[07:06] <EriC^^> nojm: yeah, i remember you now
[07:06] <EriC^^> nojm: so what's the deal with the backup partition table stuff?
[07:07] <EriC^^> nojm: nevermind, reading back it makes sense now
[07:07] <nojm> still waiting on my scan to complete two days in posted on the board you mentioned just waiting it out till i move forward from a different angle
[07:08] <EriC^^> nojm: did the 3tb have numerous partitions or just 1 big partition?
[07:08] <nojm> i love this room great place to learn and get help
[07:10] <quint> How can I disable caching when mapping a disk with cryptsetup?
[07:11] <quint> Can't find anything remotely related when searching online
[07:11] <quint> I believe it uses dm-cache, but I'm not sure. Anything related to "dm-cache" returns articles about LVM
[07:12] <quint> This happens with both "plain" mode and LUKS mode
[07:12] <mrRed> asd
[07:15] <Wanderer_> Hi. I was wondering if generally USB wifi adapters will work on Ubuntu or do I need a special one
[07:16] <Mathisen> most work, but maybe smart to look upp info before you buy online if it suports linux
[07:17] <Wanderer_> will do thank you
[07:17] <Mathisen> otherway around.. if linux suports that model
[07:24] <EriC^^> nojm: still there buddy?
[07:25] <nojm> yeah sorry just feeding bubs
[07:25] <nojm> did i miss something upscreen
[07:26] <EriC^^> nojm: did the 3tb have numerous partitions or just 1 big partition?
[07:27] <sera_denoir> Running ubuntu server artful, just installed a new drive and formatted it using parted (4TB drive), but when I use blkid to get it's UUID to add to fstab, I'm getting PARTUUID instead ... how would I use that or fix the partition?
[07:27] <nojm> it had 3 partitions before but i ran test disk and wrote to disk from one of my approx 5 bups of partition table
[07:28] <nojm> so now it has two partiions
[07:28] <EriC^^> nojm: can you show a pastebin of it?
[07:28] <EriC^^> run "sudo parted -ls"
[07:29] <nojm> is that okay to run while gparted is scanning (attemp data recovery)
[07:29] <EriC^^> yeah no problem
[07:29] <nojm> will do now just a moment pls
[07:29] <EriC^^> ok
[07:31] <nojm> https://imgur.com/a/FL9gG
[07:31] <nojm> oops will scroll down n repost
[07:32] <EriC^^> nojm: it's fine, we just need the /dev/sdc one
[07:33] <EriC^^> nojm: try "sudo mount -o offset=$((2048 * 512)) /dev/sdc /cdrom"
[07:34] <libben> Anyone has any network skills?
[07:34] <libben> Im not getting connected after reboot on 16.04.3
[07:34] <nojm> https://imgur.com/SXg7zd5
[07:35] <libben> i need to invoke dhclient enp4s0
[07:35] <libben> My interfaces looks good for me. iface enp4s0 inet dhcp and so on
[07:35] <libben> auto enp4s0
[07:35] <libben> after reboot I need to invoke dhclient.
[07:36] <libben> Its a clean install on ubuntu
[07:36] <libben> no network-manager or so
[07:36] <libben> just plain ubuntu server
[07:36] <sera_denoir> libben: i'm not that good with networking, but you could try 'sudo ifup enp4s0'
[07:36] <EriC^^> nojm: it seems like there was a filesystem there, but it's damaged somehow
[07:37] <libben> sera_denoir: the problem i has is that it's not autoconnect after reboot
[07:37] <libben> I need to do dhclient eth
[07:37] <sera_denoir> ah, no clue ... i'm fighting fstab issues myself
[07:38] <nojm> likely caused from my faulty usb 3.0 connector which caused multiple power on off  what you think
[07:39] <EriC^^> nojm: did you try running a smart test on the hdd?
[07:39] <nojm> thats why i took it out of the external case would sometimes connect
[07:39] <nojm> no i dont know how to
[07:39] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[07:39] <EriC^^> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:39] <EriC^^> it'll give you a link, paste it here
[07:41] <sera_denoir> Running ubuntu server artful, just installed a new drive and formatted it using parted (4TB drive), but when I use blkid to get it's UUID to add to fstab, I'm getting PARTUUID instead ... how would I use that or fix the partition?
[07:41] <nojm> re install no config ?
[07:42] <EriC^^> nojm: not sure what you mean, is it saying it's already installed?
[07:42] <nojm> http://termbin.com/85fc
[07:42] <nojm> all gud
[07:42] <nojm> i hope
[07:42] <EriC^^> sera_denoir: is there a filesystem there? try 'sudo parted -ls' and paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <EriC^^> nojm: looks good
[07:44] <nojm> wow thats intense data i dont know how you make head nor tail of all that information
[07:44] <EriC^^> nojm: can you try connecting the hdd as it used to be connected and try the mount -o offset command again?
[07:44] <libben> can you run nightly build of 18.04 now and simply make and apt-get update and upgrade when it's release in 2 months?
[07:44] <ducasse> libben: yes
[07:45] <EriC^^> nojm: if you want try it later after gparted is done and all
[07:45] <EriC^^> no need to do it rn
[07:46] <nojm> good call that was what i was about to ask anyway to get ahold of you at that point it may be days
[07:47] <eraserpencil> Hey guys, I kind of need to insert my laptop in between plain text communication of  2 windows computers via telnet
[07:47] <eraserpencil> and the laptop is on ubuntu.
[07:47] <nojm> also do you mean the command in full that you got me to run way upscreen
[07:47] <eraserpencil> can anyone point me to reading materials to learn that?
[07:47] <nojm> will copy and paste to clarify in a second
[07:50] <nojm> sudo mount -o offset=$((2048 * 512)) /dev/sdc /cdrom
[07:50] <nojm> yeah?
[07:53] <nojm> brb baby calling me
[07:59] <ducasse> eraserpencil: look up a couple of wireshark tutorials online
[08:00] <eraserpencil> ducasse: thanks, but I kind of wanna redirect or send additional commands without messing up the current setup
[08:01] <ducasse> eraserpencil: you want to inject traffic?
[08:02] <eraserpencil> yea
[08:02] <ducasse> eraserpencil: try asking in ##networking
[08:04] <eraserpencil> alright thanks!
[08:32] <Guest78744> hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio
[08:33] <lupulo> Guest78744, use pulseaudio
[08:34] <lupulo> Guest78744, killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio --help
[08:35] <Guest78744> hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio
[08:36] <Mathisen> so what is this about https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/ubuntu-gets-in-the-user-data-collection-business/ ?
[08:39] <lupulo> Guest78744, you should open a gnome-terminal and open the manual of the daemon that controll the sound, with man pulseaudio
[08:41] <Zythyr> Question: I am editing a service configure. I want the service to start AFTER the /home partition is mounted. My home partition is encrypted, so it is usally ONLY moutned after system boots and I login using SSH and use the command "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 data". How do I make the service start only after the home partition is mounted?
[08:45] <Mathisen> Zythyr, setup key files for your luks encryption and make it decrypt on boot
[08:45] <Mathisen> otherwise just make sure to start whatever service you need manual after you manualy opened it
[08:48] <qswz> Oh I finally found how to middle-click with this touhpad
[08:48] <qswz> it's a tap on the top-right
[08:48] <qswz> kinda weird
[08:50] <Zythyr> Mathisen I used "After=home.mount". this doens't work. In my fstab I have set nofail for home partition. I do NOT want to use a key file to unlock encryption. The Only way I want the encryption to be open is by my loging in using SSH and using the command "sudo crypsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 data" and then me putting password. When I do this, the home partition is automatically mounted, by the
[08:50] <Zythyr> service I want doesn't start
[08:51] <Mathisen> Zythyr, make an easy .sh script then to unlock and then start service
[08:52] <qswz> also I have put GRUB_TIMEOUT=1 in /etc/default/grub but still takes more than 1 sec
[08:52] <nickdsdd> hi
[08:52] <qswz> I want dual boot to start fast with defualt choice
[08:53] <Mathisen> Zythyr, look into mountpoint command by the looks if it, it can return true/false to see if a specific folder is mounted
[08:54] <Zythyr> Mathisen thanks, let me look at that
[08:56] <adac> my middle mouse button suddenly stoped working. How can I fix that?
[08:57] <nickdsdd> How can set to run program with command line parameter?
[08:59] <qswz> put rice on it
[08:59] <qswz> it fixes everything
[09:08] <Guest78744> hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio
[09:09] <Mathisen> Guest78744, double check with alsamixer command that no things are muted
[09:20] <cart_man> Hey how do I see as what DEVICE my USB drive got assigned to? /dev/ttyUSB does not seem to be one
[09:21] <hateball> cart_man: run "dmesg" after you insert the device
[09:21] <cart_man> hateball: I have but I see it gets mounted
[09:22] <cart_man> but it does not say as what?
[09:27] <cart_man> hateball " https://pastebin.com/7TAnQrAD
[09:28] <nojm> is Ubuntu 17.10 a rather secure OS relative to other Linux distros if not what is better not interested in the likes of tails and i get the whole encryption antivirus and other methods of hacking re scripts while using a browser
[09:29] <nojm> out of the box
[09:32] <jr2601> K
[09:34] <Mathisen> nojm, hard question to answer, but in general the less stuff you have the less risk of problems,
[09:37] <nojm> do i need to learn to use iptables as a casual home client user ?
[09:37] <nojm> or is that strictly a server thing
[09:37] <nojm> or other firewall
[09:38] <nojm> i use sophos at present (windows background for the most part)
[09:38] <Mathisen> nojm, no you can use ufw
[09:39] <Mathisen> it uses iptables behind the scenes but it is easy to use
[09:39] <nojm> awesome is there a learning curve / idiot proof
[09:40] <Mathisen> example: ufw allow ssh
[09:40] <Mathisen> and it will make it so ssh can connect
[09:40] <nojm> online gaming say fightcade
[09:40] <nojm> cool
[09:41] <cart_man> hateball : Any ideas?
[09:42] <nojm> 'sudo apt-get install uwf' ?  after running update?
[09:42] <nojm> or should i use the software center and find add repository prior
[09:43] <Mathisen> nojm, sudo apt update && sudo apt install ufw
[09:43] <Mathisen> software center works also just look for ufw
[09:43] <nojm> cool mate thanks
[09:45] <Mathisen> nojm, things you want to do right away is >> ufw allow http and https
[09:47] <nojm> cant find it in software center this happens to me often re software i want. anything look wrong to you here
[09:47] <nojm> https://imgur.com/a/JkEG8
[09:48] <nojm> https://imgur.com/a/WddLe
[09:48] <Mathisen> someone else here need to answer that as i am not on ubuntu myself, so i dont know the default repos
[09:50] <tomreyn> !info ufw artful
[09:51] <tomreyn> nojm: ufw is part of the default ubuntu repositories, you do not need to add any extra repositories to be able to install it
[09:52] <nojm> once installed (already was as yall mentioned) what do i need to from terminal or gui to get it running
[09:53] <Mathisen> sudo ufw enable
[09:53] <Mathisen> but wait a moment with that
[09:53] <Mathisen> make sure to enable irc and stuff you need
[09:53] <Mathisen> otherwise you will be disconnected from irc and other things you use
[09:53] <tomreyn> you can either manage it from a temrinal using the 'ufw' command, or install a graphical interface, called gufw
[09:54] <tomreyn> Mathisen: doesn't ufw just manage inbound traffic by default and defaults to allowing all outbound?
[09:56] <nojm> listening intently
[09:57] <Mathisen> tomreyn, you may be right
[09:57] <tomreyn> nojm: i think once installed and enabled you don't need to configure anything really, unless you have other computes connect to yours
[09:57] <tomreyn> nojm: that'S the default configuration i see on 16.04
[09:57] <nojm> i dont
[09:57] <nojm> running 17.10
[09:58] <tomreyn> nojm: it's probably the same
[09:58] <Mathisen> when looking at my iptables list, i have only specific ports open and the rest i closed, but then again not on ubuntu so cant say what default ufw settings are
[09:58] <nojm> if i hit a total block cant access irc net etc run sudo ufw disable to get back to prior state
[09:58] <Mathisen> nojm, correct
[09:59] <nojm> cool thanks guys
[09:59] <tomreyn> Mathisen: ufw is just a frontend to iptables really, if you use it to manage your policies and rules you will find it ends up setting iptables rules, too (iptables -L)
[10:00] <nojm> are there other things i should have on an ubuntu system to make system not wide open other than browser addons like noscript ghostery ublock origon
[10:01] <tomreyn> default policies should be "incoming:d eny", "outgoing: allow". that way you don't end up in a 'total block' situation
[10:02] <tomreyn> install security updates promptly and regularly
[10:02] <tomreyn> don't use PPAs when you don't know their update strategy and their take on security.
[10:02] <cart_man> Can anybody pleae tell me how to IDENTIFY the /dev/ name your EXternal HDD got assigned as?
[10:03] <tomreyn> cart_man: run "dmesg -T | tail" shortly after you connected it
[10:03] <nojm> thank guys
[10:03] <nojm> would it take me for ever if i read the man to comprehend iptables
[10:04] <nojm> let me rephrase that would it be hard to comprehend
[10:05] <Mathisen> tomreyn, yeah i know :)
[10:06] <tomreyn> nojm: based on the questions you're asking here (not judging!) i assume you would need to read up on networking concepts in general to get a full grasp of iptables.
[10:07] <tomreyn> but give it a try nevertheless, i can be so wrong.
[10:16] <cart_man> tomry : Yes it seems like it goes to sdb
[10:16] <cart_man> mean sda
[10:17] <cart_man> tomry : Soo how do I mount this drive then?
[10:17] <cart_man> sigh
[10:17] <cart_man> mean tomreyn ^^ sorry tomry
[10:19] <akik> cart_man: if it gets mounted automatically, you'll see it in "df"
[10:19] <akik> cart_man: in the pastebin, it shows sda device and sda1 partition on it
[10:20] <cart_man> akik : Its ubuntu MATE though so I am not sure if it will bother mounting it automatically
[10:20] <cart_man> but I am fine with mounting it no problem
[10:20] <cart_man> I just need the command however lol
[10:20] <akik> cart_man: try "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda"
[10:23] <cart_man> akik : could I possibly use mount /sda1/ -o loop,offest(Start block * 512) /mnt/media ?
[10:23] <akik> cart_man: are you having trouble mounting it normally?
[10:23] <akik> cart_man: you can just use "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/media"
[10:23] <cart_man> akik Oh ok cool. Also would it be possible to mount the same Device to multiple mount points? OR Maybe individual sub folders of the sda1 to different paths?
[10:23] <cart_man> akik
[10:24] <cart_man> ok
[10:24] <akik> cart_man: once you've mounted it normally, you can use mount --bind to make it visible in multiple places
[10:27] <cart_man> akik Awesome !
[10:27] <cart_man> akik Its just what I need :)
[10:29] <akik> cart_man: i.e. "sudo mount --bind /orig/dir /new/dir"
[10:45] <cart_man> akik Can I can do that as manny times as I want right?
[10:46] <akik> cart_man: maybe, i haven't tested
[10:51] <Neo1> what is usb file system better use?
[10:52] <Neo1> I see fat32 or ntfs badly work with linux? What dost thou think?
[10:52] <Neo1> ext4?
[10:52] <Neo1> do make usb in ext4?
[10:52] <Neo1> I tried and this work good, but windows doesn't recognize it
[10:53] <Neo1> how you use?
[10:54] <Mathisen> Neo1, use ntfs if you gonna share with a win computer
[10:54] <Mathisen> ntfs is till decent with linux
[10:54] <Neo1> Mathisen: and this will work good with
[10:54] <Neo1> I always have error 'read = only
[10:55] <tmm88> chmod -R +x .
[10:55] <Neo1> go to windows, chdist \f, it work and then again broken
[10:55] <Neo1> tmm88: no, it means broken disk and only read possible
[10:55] <Mathisen> Neo1, make sure you have ntfs-3g installed
[10:56] <Neo1> tmm88: I use sudo mkdir test and the same error, it not permission
[10:56] <Mathisen> and try to mount with " mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/your_usb /mount/point "
[10:56] <Neo1> Mathisen: how it install?
[10:56] <Neo1> Mathisen: ok, I'll try to check
[10:57] <Mathisen> may need sudo before mount
[10:57] <Neo1> I might not have been installed
[10:58] <Mathisen> install it > sudo apt install ntfs-3g
[10:58] <Neo1> Mathisen: I can use sudo open in terminal directory and it won't work, it's not file permission. when I formatted in ext4 it worked fast and right
[10:58] <tomreyn> ntfs is supported by the kernel, noneed for the fuse driver (-3g)
[10:59] <Neo1> Mathisen: ok, I'll do ti later, now under windows, I've been checking work ext4 in window or not, no, not
[10:59] <Mathisen> no windows cant work with ext4 there is 3.rd party drivers for win to read ext4 but not write
[11:00] <Mathisen> with 3.rd party win drivers you can read/write with ext2/3
[11:00] <Mathisen> but just use ntfs far easyer and better
[11:00] <Neo1> I have 5 flash drive, and think it would be not bad put one drive in ext4? What do you think? :)
[11:01] <Neo1> the bigger drive is 64Gb and doesn't work correctly with ntfs or fat32, always always read-only
[11:02] <Mathisen> that should not be the case, windows can sometimes hibernate and make that issue but you can solve that also
[11:03] <Mathisen> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile .....
[11:03] <Neo1> a few times tried to copy files on disk, did rsync -av /var/www /media/DISC and always hanging
[11:03] <Mathisen> but maybe tomreyn has better solusion for you, im used to use fuse drivers
[11:03] <cart_man> tomreyn : I seem to be getting input output errors at random when I bind to more then one : /
[11:04] <tomreyn> cart_man: more than one of what?
[11:04] <cart_man> tomreyn When I bind sib Dis to other dirs
[11:04] <Neo1> Mathisen: what the best decision, he said it used default and needn't do anything...
[11:05] <tomreyn> cart_man: what are "sib Dis"?
[11:05] <cart_man> I meant sub dirs sorry
[11:06] <cart_man> like mount --bind /mnt/media/ftp /trv/ftp   && mount --bind /mnt/media/archive /trv/archive/ etc...
[11:06] <tomreyn> cart_man: i don't think mount binds would cause i/o errors
[11:07] <tomreyn> probably seperate issues, checkdmesg
[11:07] <tomreyn> * check dmesg
[11:07] <cart_man> tomreyn : Buffer I/O error on dev sda1, logical block 786431, async page read
[11:08] <Neo1> china drives, might be this is reason why it badly works :)
[11:08] <tomreyn> cart_man: that's probably a physical disk issue, check !smart, run a long self test, check again
[11:09] <Neo1> interesting does somebody use ext4 on flash drives?
[11:09] <cart_man> tomreyn Can I do that with gparted or?/
[11:09] <tomreyn> !smart | cart_man
[11:10] <tomreyn> and no, you cannot
[11:17] <OlofL> When I set my wifi card in mon mode and then back to AP mode, it seems to forget the wifi passwords. I can connect automatically without entering password after reboot. How can I avoid this? I have tried restarting network-manager service
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:56] <kille> hey Blues
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hi kille
[12:34] <Johnny33> hi
[12:34] <Johnny33> does anyone know how to make usb drive with persistence?
[12:34] <SwedeMike> Johnny33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[12:34] <Johnny33> ty @SwedeMike
[12:43] <cart_man> Is there a way to make the USB recheck if something is plugged in? I have a USB HDD that I need to plug out and plug back in to register after a RESTART .Is there no way I can make the OS restart its USB ports?
[12:45] <ikonia> cart_man: I don't think so, you could tell udev to rescan for devices, that may work
[12:45] <ikonia> cart_man: I dont think there is anything in usbutils
[12:45] <cart_man> how do I tell udev to rescan?
[12:46] <ikonia> look at the udevadm (or udevadmin I an't remember) options
[12:46] <SimonNL> my knowledge level is very low but would disable/enable usb module help ?
[12:46] <JimBunbtu> The usb_storage module could be disabled/enabled, that should cause a re-check... but you may lose other devices if there are any...
[12:47] <ioria> manually you can diff/parse   cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/product every n tm
[12:47] <JimBunbtu> I am thinking you would want to know exactly which port it is connected to and then put the power level for that port into suspend and then bring it back out of suspend.
[12:50] <JimBunbtu> I tested powering off a specific port on my system with a flash-drive connected, suspend and powering back on worked fine at the port level, but didn't cause a re-scan, sorry
[13:05] <cart_man> ikonia :is udevadm on ubuntu mate though ? Or any other ubuntu
[13:06] <cart_man> JimBunbtu Well luckily I inly have the 1 device attached
[13:07] <ikonia> should be on every ubuntu
[13:07] <ikonia> udev is the same
[13:37] <doug16k> cart_man, if you unbind and rebind the device it should reinitialize the driver
[13:38] <cart_man> doug16k I have no idea how to do that unles you are talking about a mount --bind?
[13:39] <doug16k> I'm talking about /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbfs/unbind
[13:40] <cart_man> doug16k Ok I was just testing this sudo sh -c "echo 0 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/authorized"
[13:40] <doug16k> if you echo the device to reinitialize to that, then echo the device to initialize to the corresponding bind, then it will reinitialize the module
[13:42] <rollingubuntu> Hello! anyone uses alternatives to TrueCrypt these days?
[13:45] <antonm> Hi
[13:46] <doug16k> cart_man, you can figure out which module owns a device by doing ll /sys/bus/usb/devices/...device_here.../driver
[13:46] <doug16k> or ls -l if 'll' isn't an alias in your shell
[14:05] <NEOalquimista> Can anyone recommend the best open source tool to recover deleted files for Ubuntu?
[14:05] <hateball> !undelete | NEOalquimista
[14:05] <NEOalquimista> Command line or GUI, anything
[14:06] <NEOalquimista> Oh, thanks
[14:10] <azizLIGHT> if it is a lot of files, my advice would be to stop using the disk immediately, and use a livecd to make a dd image of hte disk, which you can later mount and do file recovery on
[14:11] <levo> i tried to do apt-get dist-upgrade (ans also with -f)  but got the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t7nKdQbZdf/
[14:12] <seanh> Hey, can anyone tell me what a file named /lib/modules/3.13.0-103-generic is? My server has 16 of these files in that directory, each with a slightly different version number. Something left behind by old kernel versions? I can't find on packages.ubuntu.com which package the file belongs to
[14:14] <seanh> Ah they're actually directories
[14:14] <tomreyn> levo: which ubuntu release is this? the package it is trying to upgrade to is (based on its version number) from a ppa, whihc is apparently meant to be used with ubuntu trusty.
[14:14] <akik> seanh: they're dirs for kernel modules
[14:14] <mozammel> how can I access get root permission on Dolphin ? I'm using KUBUNTU 17.10
[14:15] <levo> tomreyn: i just upgraded from xenial
[14:15] <levo> *to xenial
[14:15] <levo> from trusy to xenial
[14:15] <seanh> akik: it looks as if old versions of these kernel modules are being perpetually left around on my server? (I'm having a problem that the root partition on this server is out of space, and these files are one of the things taking up a lot of space)
[14:15] <akik> seanh: if you've compiled your own kernel modules (e.g. virtualbox) and installed them, the dir is left behind when you remove the older kernel
[14:16] <raidghost> From trusty to berlin. And every Country i get in  :P
[14:16] <tomreyn> levo: can you show the output of : sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy; aot-cache policy libde265
[14:16] <tomreyn> levo: can you show the output of : sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libde265  ## typo fixed
[14:17] <seanh> akik: Is there a good way to remove these directories? I guess I could just delete them manually
[14:17] <akik> seanh: it's safe to remove the dirs with the version number of the kernel that you don't use anymore
[14:17] <tomreyn> levo: also, how did you upgrade?
[14:17] <levo> tomreyn: do-release-upgrade
[14:18] <tomreyn> good
[14:18] <akik> seanh: did you remove the older kernels?
[14:19] <levo> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fNB4jzD7ZH/
[14:19] <seanh> akik: I don't think so. How would I do that?
[14:20] <seanh> akik: I'm wondering if there's a safe way to automate removal of, or to avoid accumulating, these directories. So that I don't just end up with 0 disk space and have to manually fix it again
[14:24] <Hdphn> why should I install ubuntu over debian or arch?>
[14:25] <akik> seanh: there's a wiki page for removing old kernels but it requires running unattended upgrades
[14:26] <akik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[14:26] <leftyfb> Hdphn: That's not a very good question to ask here. Try it. If it meets your needs and preferences then you can make that determination. Nobody here is going to try to convince you either way.
[14:27] <tomreyn> levo: you have libde265 installed form a PPA but this PPA is no longer configured (it was for trusty after all, not xenial)
[14:27] <Hdphn> why is ubuntu so lazy to release new LTS
[14:27] <NEOalquimista> azizLIGHT: it's a USB stick. It was LUKS encrypted. I deleted the partition table to re-encrypt. Boom! Didn't write anything after the accident.
[14:27] <Hdphn> why taking 5 years
[14:27] <leftyfb> Hdphn: LTS releases are on a 2 year schedule
[14:27] <tomreyn> levo: you could downgrade this package which would then hopefully fix the original issue.
[14:27] <JimBunbtu> Hdphn, it's called a "release schedule"
[14:27] <tomreyn> levo: or better purge and reinstall it
[14:27] <Hdphn> whats the difference
[14:27] <Hdphn> why they dont follow rolling release
[14:28] <Hdphn> why do I have to reinstall OS every 2 years
[14:28] <NEOalquimista> Hdphn: stability
[14:28] <azizLIGHT> NEOalquimista: so maybe it might be better to ask how to remake the partition table? i could be wrong
[14:28] <leftyfb> Hdphn: you don't. You can upgrade. Like you do with every other OS on the planet.
[14:28] <JimBunbtu> You don't have to re-install... you could upgrade.
[14:28] <Hdphn> upgrade breaks and I end up reinstalling
[14:28] <Hdphn> :(
[14:28] <NEOalquimista> azizLIGHT: I'm reading about that from the link sent to me
[14:28] <Hdphn> 14.04 to 16.04 experience
[14:28] <Hdphn> was a bad experience
[14:28] <leftyfb> Hdphn: ok, do you have a support question?
[14:28] <Hdphn> such a disaster
[14:28] <azizLIGHT> NEOalquimista: can you link me it? i might need that one day
[14:29] <tomreyn> levo: if you are wondering what other such zombie package versions you have installed, you could try the foreign_packages script from here: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts
[14:29] <Hdphn> leftyfb: yes, why ubuntu crashes so often?
[14:29] <Hdphn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTmUhcRX3I
[14:29] <NEOalquimista> azizLIGHT: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[14:29] <azizLIGHT> thank you
[14:29] <NEOalquimista> you're welcome
[14:29] <leftyfb> Hdphn: please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:29] <leftyfb> ah, troll
[14:29] <leftyfb> !op | Hdphn
[14:29] <leftyfb> shocker
[14:30] <levo> tomreyn: couldn't purge the package. upon purging dependency errors are thrown and after apt-get install -f the former error is being shown
[14:31] <azizLIGHT> you know how theres keyboard shortcuts to move a window from workspace to workspace? is there a way to move windows from monitor to monitor
[14:31] <tomreyn> levo: can you show the commands you ran and the output they produced?
[14:31] <doug16k> azizLIGHT, try alt-left and alt-right
[14:32] <doug16k> oops I mean super-left/super-right
[14:32] <azizLIGHT> is that something you set custom
[14:32] <azizLIGHT> doesnt seem to do anything for me
[14:32] <levo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qfypNgh7yG/
[14:32] <levo> tomreyn: ^
[14:33] <doug16k> azizLIGHT, maybe but I don't think so
[14:33] <linuxlite1> Hi liking the new gnome Ubuntu desktop. I wonder if there is anyway to add the Unity feature to change the color of the launcher panel to match the wallpaper ?
[14:34] <azizLIGHT> doug16k: im on 14.04 and i checked keyboard shortcuts inside settings and all i see is workspace related keyboard shortcuts under "navigation"
[14:34] <azizLIGHT> what version of ubuntu are you on doug16k
[14:34] <azizLIGHT> maybe its a new upgrade
[14:34] <tomreyn> levo: sudo dpkg --purge libde265; sudio apt -f install
[14:36] <levo> tomreyn: exactly the same errors
[14:36] <doug16k> azizLIGHT, 17.10
[14:36] <levo> not exactly i'll paste
[14:36] <azizLIGHT> doug16k: ah i will get your feature in 18.04 :P
[14:37] <levo> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s98F6nthBY/
[14:38] <doug16k> azizLIGHT, go to settings, devices, keyboard. in that list you should see "move one monitor down, move one monitor right, etc...". set those bindings to your preferences
[14:39] <doug16k> or use what's there. probably super+shift+direction
[14:40] <tomreyn> levo: okay, that's different errors. sudo dpkg --purge libde265 gstreamer0.10-libde265 vlc-plugin-libde265; sudio apt -f install
[14:42] <levo> tomreyn: it's in progress. didn't think the upgrade would take this much :-D
[14:45] <tomreyn> levo: the upgrade would have worked fine if you had removed the packages installed off all PPAs before upgrading
[14:46] <tomreyn> levo: not doing so resulte din a kind of 'best effort' upgrade which didn't finish completely due to those zombie packages.
[14:48] <levo> tomreyn: yeah, and sad thing is that after downloading the packages and getting the errors I did a "clean" which removed all downloaded packages and had to wait another 3 hours to redownload them again
[14:48] <tomreyn> :-/
[14:49] <rtyui> hi there
[14:49] <rtyui> anyone experienced with syslog here ?
[14:50] <ikonia> yup
[14:50] <rtyui> well https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sJp8MVPPZB/
[14:50] <rtyui> here is the configuration i put on syslog
[14:50] <rtyui> server
[14:51] <rtyui> do you find anything wrongly defined on that configuration fiel ?
[14:51] <rtyui> file ?
[14:51] <ikonia> whats the actual problem
[14:52] <rtyui> well
[14:52] <rtyui> the problem is
[14:52] <rtyui> when you restart the service syslogng
[14:52] <rtyui> the creation of folder firewall not happen
[14:53] <rtyui> and there is no log on the location where i specified
[14:53] <rtyui> i m talking this option
[14:53] <rtyui> ##################################################
[14:53] <rtyui> destination d_host-specific {
[14:53] <rtyui>         file("/var/log/firewalls/$HOST/$YEAR/$MONTH/$HOST-$YEAR-$MONTH-$DAY.log");
[14:53] <ikonia> yslog wont' create the directory
[14:53] <ikonia> unless it has the right permissions
[14:54] <rtyui> well the root is affected on adm group
[14:54] <rtyui> what wrong permisssion are you talking about ?
[14:54] <ikonia> on the directory to create the sub directory
[14:56] <rtyui> i can't understand why it doesn't create the directory firewalls as i defined on the conf with the right ownership
[14:56] <ikonia> remove all the variables
[14:56] <ikonia> see if it creates the actual directories
[14:57] <ikonia> where are you setting those $VARIABLES
[15:00] <rtyui> all are systems parameter
[15:01] <rtyui> well i replace that line to this "/var/log/firewalls/allsys.log"
[15:01] <rtyui> i got the same issue
[15:02] <rtyui> the file is not creating
[15:02] <rtyui> allsys.log
[15:03] <shelet> help please!  this morning, system asked me to do upgrade, so i did. then it told me to reboot to finish upgrade, so i did. when i went back in it won't start xfce. if i try startx from command line it tells me fatal server error: unrecognized option: vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.1V9dTn8Dws
[15:12] <tomreyn> shelet: you should mention which ubuntu release you upgraded from and to, and discuss which non standard configuration you have in place.
[15:12] <levo> do you know of any decent (feature rich) screen recorder similar to obs-studio? (my graphics doesn't support openGL > 2.1 so can't install obs-studio )
[15:13] <tomreyn> levo: may i ask which graphics hardware you have there? opengl 2.1 is a pretty low requirement
[15:14] <rtyui> hello anyone else experience with syslog-ng ?
[15:14] <shelet> tomreyn, it was and is bionic, 18.04. It was just a routine upgrade, not changing the release.
[15:14] <tomreyn> levo: ...and i suspect it may be a driver issue which you could actually solve and use obs-studio
[15:14] <levo> tomreyn: Device: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset
[15:14] <tomreyn> levo: oh, ok, that's really old.
[15:15] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | shelet
[15:16] <levo> tomreyn: what do you suggest then?
[15:17] <troozers> Hi I have configured a static IP in Ubuntu 17.10 via GUI, but am having problems defining domain searches. What's the recommended method of adding?
[15:17] <neldogz> Has anyone had any experience in trying to install security and software updates to Linux servers and workstations (across various distributions) in a corporate environment? If so what solutions have you had success with?
[15:19] <tomreyn> levo: i don't really have much experience with screen recording, so i can't recommend alternatives, sorry.
[15:19] <tomreyn> rtyui: that's a poll. what's your actual wquestion?
[15:20] <rtyui> here is my conf of syslogng : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sJp8MVPPZB/ tomreyn
[15:21] <tomreyn> neldogz: we only do ubuntu support here. server directed support is also available at #ubuntu-server, non ubuntu related discussions should got o #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:21] <tomreyn> rtyui: okay, but that's not a question either.
[15:21] <rtyui> the question is
[15:22] <rtyui> why when you restart the syslog-ng the option create folder is not effective ?
[15:22] <rtyui> on /var/log
[15:22] <rtyui> ##################################################
[15:22] <rtyui> destination d_host-specific {
[15:22] <rtyui>         file("/var/log/firewalls/$HOST/$YEAR/$MONTH/$HOST-$YEAR-$MONTH-$DAY.log");
[15:22] <rtyui> i mean i can't see the folder firewalls on /var/log of my syslog-ng server
[15:23] <rtyui> can you explain it why ?
[15:25] <tomreyn> rtyui: maybe syslog-ng just won't create directories indicated by the 'file' argument to the 'destination' option?
[15:25] <tomreyn> rtyui: i do not actually know whether or notthis should be the case, though (but you should try to find out)
[15:26] <rtyui> well tell me this options means :
[15:26] <rtyui> destination d_host-specific
[15:27] <rtyui> means it need to create folder on
[15:27] <rtyui> destinatioN ?
[15:29] <neldogz> tomreyn, thanks! I will check out those channels.
[15:33] <tomreyn> rtyui: https://syslog-ng.com/documents/html/syslog-ng-ose-latest-guides/en/syslog-ng-ose-guide-admin/html/reference-destination-file.html
[15:34] <tomreyn> !paste | rtyui
[15:34] <shelet> easy way to roll back from unstable to latest stable, without losing files and configs?
[15:35] <tomreyn> shelet: none. downgrades are not supported.
[15:46] <jeannot> hey
[15:52] <nacc> shelet: and are you using debian names for a reason?
[15:53] <shelet> nacc, which debian names?
[15:53] <nacc> shelet: 'unstable' and 'stable'
[15:53] <nacc> shelet: althogh i see you are being supported in #ubuntu+1
[15:54] <shelet> nacc, what do ubuntuers call it, instead of stable/unstable?
[15:55] <Dbugger> broken/unusable ?
[15:55] <Dbugger> :D
[15:55] <nacc> shelet: the version you mean
[15:55] <nacc> shelet: e.g., xenial or 16.04, artful or 17.04.
[15:56] <shelet> nacc, i have bionic or 18.04. now i regret that. :) wouldn't mind going back to 17.10.
[15:56] <ikonia> just reinstall then
[15:56] <shelet> nacc, but at the moment i would just like it to start working again
[15:57] <leftyfb> shelet: you were aware that bionic wasn't released yet correct?
[15:57] <Boyette> m on bionic 18,04 aswell i love it
[15:57] <Boyette> only mesa is a bit bricky sometimes 18,1
[15:57] <shelet> it worked great until this morning, and fixed a bunch of other things that weren't working before for me on 17.04
[15:57] <Boyette> what happend?
[15:58] <nacc> shelet: 18.04 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[15:58] <nacc> as you were doing
[15:58] <Boyette> i recall there was a big distupgrade this morning
[15:58] <student_jw> hi
[16:03] <bfig> hello, I have a big issue - update reset the lapot (which had dual boot enabled ubuntu/windows) and now I boot to grub. How can I fix this?
[16:04] <maro_> bfig grubupdater
[16:04] <maro_> google fix grub dualboot windows
[16:05] <bfig> maro_: thanks
[16:07] <bfig> maro_: there are many alleged solutions, but I'm not sure which one applies to me. I'm booting to grub, which shows a 'minimal bash-like line editing[...]'
[16:07] <bfig> maro_: do I need to come with a live CD?
[16:08] <maro_> yes
[16:08] <maro_> or live usb
[16:08] <maro_> it is a small os with only 1 program, you run it and fixes it
[16:08] <maro_> I used it many times
[16:09] <bfig> the name is grubupdater?
[16:09] <maro_> yes
[16:09] <bfig> this link? https://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[16:10] <maro_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:10] <maro_> this one
[16:10] <maro_> boot repair is the name of the software
[16:10] <bfig> maro_: thanks for the link
[16:13] <maro_> It takes some time to make the usb/cd but it works.
[16:13] <maro_> It updates the list of grub with all OSes installed on your machine.
[16:17] <bfig> maro_: downloading the image, be back in 30 and see what I can do with it
[16:23] <mvip> is there any known issue with apt on ubuntu 17.10. Had two of my machines returning nothing from `apt` and `apt-get` (exit code 0).
[16:23] <mvip> "Software center" appears to work well and i can install apps using it. Just not `apt` or `apt-get`
[16:24] <EoflaOE> what does it say mvip?
[16:24] <mvip> nothing
[16:24] <mvip> that's the thing
[16:24] <mvip> nothing to work with. Just returns nothing.
[16:24] <mvip> and exit code 0
[16:25] <mvip> not even `apt--get --help` returns output
[16:25] <mvip> gah! found it
[16:25] <mvip> i had node's bin path added to my PATH
[16:26] <mvip> and some stupid node bin must have caused a collision of some kind
[16:26] <akik> mvip: how about "sudo -i" then "apt-get"
[16:26] <mvip> got it working so all good
[16:26] <akik> wat
[16:26] <mvip> i just stripped out my node bin path from PATH
[16:27] <akik> that was weird
[16:33] <neurre> hi
[16:33] <donofrio> someone got a moment to let me know how to get this issue resolved? "dpkg: error processing package systemd (--configure): installed systemd package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: systemd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" ?
[16:33] <neurre> can i do a "full" reinstall on top of broken ubuntu installation while keeping user home directories?
[16:34] <yeats> neurre: only if they're on separate partitions/LVM volumes
[16:35]  * yeats doesn't remember if current desktop Ubuntu installs on LVM by default
[16:37] <lordcirth_work> No, it's a checkbox
[16:37] <lordcirth_work> At least as of 16.04?
[16:38] <donofrio> looks like this https://apaste.info/Ndel (carrage returns retained output)
[16:39] <lordcirth_work> donofrio, 'dpkg --configure -a' and/or 'apt install -f'
[16:46] <EoflaOE> does anyone use simh?
[16:48] <lordcirth_work> !ask | EoflaOE
[16:54] <EoflaOE> I am not asking to ask. I have SIMH VAX emulator and I installed Ultrix 4.0 from Recondite-computers site. I did some modifications on network settings, rebooted the VAX machine, and when I tried to ping localhost on VAX, it says that it is alive. When I try to ping external websites, it says unknown host. So I went to install X11R4 servers to SIMH, but I cannot transfer files to SIMH because it is so hard to find. I tried to find for hours but I cannot
[16:54] <EoflaOE> find good results. All I can find is mailing lists and such things. I am using SIMH 4.0 beta with Ethernet compiled in.
[16:54] <craigbass76> What's the preferred method for skyping these days? The actual app, or can I use empathy skype with (I think) pidgin?
[16:54] <ikonia> look at your DNS
[16:55] <EoflaOE> ikonia, on the emulated machine or on the host computer?
[16:55] <ikonia> emulation first
[16:55] <ikonia> then the host
[16:55] <shakerche> ikonia: whats up opers abuser and lame
[16:55] <ikonia> it can't resolve, where can't it resolve
[16:56] <EoflaOE> OK. I will try to look it up.
[16:56] <ikonia> shakerche: ?
[16:56] <shakerche> hahhahahaa\
[16:57] <shakerche> westerns is funny bud stupid
[16:57] <ikonia> shakerche: not sure what you're talking about, but could you please try to keep to the ubuntu support discussion
[16:57] <donofrio> lordcirth_work, here is what it returned ;( https://apaste.info/AB54
[16:58] <shakerche> ikonia: i am helper
[16:58] <shakerche> i am Dreaman lame
[16:58] <shakerche> ban  oper abuse
[16:58] <shakerche> bann me
[16:59] <EoflaOE> ikonia, What file do I have to open? I am using Ultrix 4.0 on the emulated machine and Xubuntu 17.10 on the host computer
[16:59] <ikonia> no idea what ultrix is
[16:59] <ikonia> in terms of it's layout
[17:00] <EoflaOE> Ultrix is Unix which can be run on VAX/PDP machines
[17:01] <shushi> and ikonia
[17:01] <shushi> lame
[17:01] <shushi> al whats up
[17:01] <lordcirth_work> donofrio, I think you'll need to unpack the .deb and read the install script that is failing
[17:01] <shushi> el
[17:01] <lordcirth_work> I had to do that once.
[17:02] <ikonia> EoflaOE: sorry, I know what ultrix is, I just don't know the file system layout
[17:02] <EoflaOE> Ultrix uses UFS as the current file system.
[17:04] <ikonia> I don't mean the file system format, I mean layout and config
[17:04] <ikonia> does it repsond to resolv.conf for example
[17:06] <donofrio> lordcirth_work, I guess what I'm looking for is how to inhibit the message and allow the contiunation of processing of install packages
[17:06] <EoflaOE> I don't know if it responds to resolv.conf. The binaries are exactly the same like "fsck", etc. It has /bin, /dev, /etc, /usr, /lib, /mnt, /var but does not have /sbin
[17:07] <ikonia> EoflaOE: understanding the OS is key to debugging it
[17:07] <ikonia> Ultrix is one of the only unix's I can think of I never really used
[17:08] <G3nka1> hello, so I installed vncserver on my ubuntu and tried to use vnc viewer from windows, but when logged in I just see a blank screen with mouse cursor looks like "x". mostly it is xfce.
[17:08] <nacc> EoflaOE: why are you seeking ultrix support in the ubuntu channel?
[17:08] <G3nka1> how do I see my ubuntu desktop through my viewer?
[17:08] <EoflaOE> I think so. Now, what file do I have to open to see DNS? ikonia
[17:08] <EoflaOE> nacc, if you read correctly, it is on SIMH emulator.
[17:08] <nacc> EoflaOE: what does that matter?
[17:08] <ikonia> EoflaOE: that's what I'm telling you, you need to know Ultrix to be able to debug the VM
[17:08] <nacc> EoflaOE: the OS is ultrix, afaict
[17:09] <ikonia> EoflaOE: you can debug the host (ubuntu) in here, but you can't debug the ultrix OS in here, if you don't know how ultrix works
[17:09] <Random832> EoflaOE, I don't know about Ultrix 4.0, but based on the source code to Ultrix-11 3.1, it looks like it *exclusively* uses /etc/hosts.
[17:09] <Random832> do commands like nslookup, host, dig, exist at all?
[17:09] <EoflaOE> ok ikonia, and Random832.
[17:09] <EoflaOE> there is ifconfig on there
[17:10] <Random832> http://www.novell.com/zh-cn/documentation/nw5/nw5/usprint/unixpenu/data/h057bcrx.html
[17:10] <Random832> is there an /etc/resolv.cfg file
[17:11] <ikonia> we can't do ultrix support in here
[17:11] <nacc> EoflaOE: Random832: please take it elsewhere
[17:11] <EoflaOE> no. Ultrix 4.0 does not have it
[17:11] <EoflaOE> and ok.
[17:20] <Tulitomaatti> i'm trying to install ubuntu servers via serving the netboot (16.04) image with pxe, but i'm getting stuck after selecting a mirror and the console shows "bad signature" errors. this persist even after re-downloading the netboot image onto the pxe server, and occurs whether i use apt-cacher-ng or not.
[17:20] <Tulitomaatti> any idea what could be wrong?
[17:20] <nacc> Tulitomaatti: which mirror are you trying to use? perhaps it's bas
[17:20] <nacc> *bad
[17:20] <Tulitomaatti> the .fi mirror. i'll try a different one.
[17:23] <nacc> Tulitomaatti: yeah that's what i'd try first
[17:24] <Tulitomaatti> i'm getting the same with .se and with plain archive.ubuntu.org
[17:27] <Tulitomaatti> anna also gives a "WARNING **: bad d-i Packages file" before it spews the bad signature error(s).
[17:30] <Tulitomaatti> ls
[17:33] <skinux> Are GTK/Gnome themes the same as Unity themes?
[17:43] <Lynnwood_> Greetings - I'm looking for a bit of help with iWatch on ubuntu installation and thought I'd try here.
[17:44] <Lynnwood_> I'm trying to monitor for when a directory with particular name is created in a directory
[17:46] <Lynnwood_> Here's the path tag I have in the iwatch.xml file:
[17:46] <Lynnwood_> <path type="single" filter="SpecialFolder" events="create" exec="sudo -u www-data /bin/bash /home/user1/myscript.sh" >/var/www/website/data/Publish</path>
[17:47] <Lynnwood_> I'm trying to monitor the directory "Publish" for create event for sub-directory called "Special Folder".
[17:47] <Lynnwood_> From what I've gathered from iwatch docs and what examples I can find, this seems correct however it doesn't seem to work.
[17:47] <Lynnwood_> any tips or suggestions anyone might have would be appreciated!
[17:52] <donofrio> lordcirth_work, how do I resolve my resolve issue?  https://apaste.info/vSjK
[18:01] <yakkety1> hi
[18:01] <yakkety1> anyone is up there?
[18:15] <lordcirth_work> !ask | yakkety1
[18:16] <lordcirth_work> donofrio, don't know, did you read the script?
[18:17] <G3nka1> hello I couldn't find how I could use vnc with unity? a lot of examples are on xfce
[18:17] <G3nka1> any idea how I can use unity?
[18:21] <slyrobot> Whenever I use ping, it shows "Temporary failure in name resolution
[18:21] <slyrobot> I tried to change the nameserver at /etc/resolv.conf but every time I restart the connection it sets itself back to localhost.
[18:22] <slyrobot> Any ideas on how to fix this.
[18:23] <slyrobot> I am not even able to surf the internet except when I am connected to my VPN. I think its the issue with resolv.conf file because when I connect my VPN it changes this nameserver file and the internet works. Else it fails.
[18:23] <yakkety1> i am unable to use old-releases.ubuntu.com mirror  when i apt update and install mediainfo package it is showing 404 error i observed it is attempting to download a version which is not available on the mirror.
[18:24] <donofrio> not yet....how to unpack the file?
[18:25] <donofrio> lordcirth_work,  I have no gui fwiw
[18:25] <Ubuntivity> Hello. I used to hibernate normally on my 16.04. But today I tried hibernation several times, but everytime it fails! What could be the problem?
[18:27] <yakkety1> hmm
[18:27] <yakkety1> great support
[18:30] <nacc> yakkety1: what's wrong?
[18:30] <nacc> yakkety1: the old-releases repos are not really supported
[18:30] <nacc> yakkety1: they are for you to eol upgrade your now eol system
[18:31] <yakkety1> i cant continue using yaketty ?
[18:32] <nacc> yakkety1: you can do whatever you want
[18:32] <nacc> yakkety1: but it's not supported
[18:34] <yakkety1> for  what reason old-releases.ubuntu.com is there???
[18:34] <nacc> yakkety1: what i just told you
[18:34] <nacc> yakkety1: to let you upgrade
[18:35] <CarlFK> git clone kernel, make menuconfig, make.   to boot it, do I: make install, update-grub ?
[18:36] <yakkety1> i dont wana upgrade and mess up what is already running on the server but want to install a package
[18:36] <CarlFK> im testing a driver, once I report pass/fail I'll re-install ubuntu, so don't worry about the box being unstable
[18:36] <CarlFK> yakkety1: no one wants to mess up what is already running ;)
[18:37] <nacc> CarlFK: you're building the upstrea kernel?
[18:37] <yakkety1> so why saying to upgrade?
[18:37] <nacc> CarlFK: iirc `make install` should invoke update-grub for you
[18:37] <nacc> yakkety1: you are unsupported
[18:37] <nacc> yakkety1: you hve not received any security or bugfix updates in close to a year
[18:37] <nacc> yakkety1: think about that
[18:37] <CarlFK> nacc: yes - this: https://github.com/shenki/linux/tree/vizzini-4.13
[18:38] <nacc> CarlFK: ah ok
[18:38] <yakkety1> i dont want security release just want to install a package
[18:38] <CarlFK> nacc: thanks.
[18:38] <nacc> yakkety1: sorry, you're not listening or don't understand
[18:39] <CarlFK> yakkety1: I know what you want, I have been there. the reality is: too bad.
[18:39] <nacc> yakkety1: you should stay on an lts if you don't want to hit this
[18:40] <yakkety1> hmm
[18:42] <yakkety1> is it possible to downgrade to 16.04 ?
[18:42] <yakkety1> i dont know why my vps provider offering this short term os
[18:42] <nacc> yakkety1: no, you need to reinstall
[18:43] <tomreyn> !downgrade
[18:43] <CarlFK> yakkety1: the 'best' way to get from where you are to where you want to be is upgrade.
[18:44] <CarlFK> yakkety1: anything else is asking for more problems and en the end you will still be in an undesirable state.
[18:45] <yakkety1> ok
[18:48] <CarlFK> sudo make install ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TmwQDR2TSR/  "Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.13.0-rc1+ cannot be found. ... or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located"
[18:48] <CarlFK> but I am in the source dir - shouldn't it know where it is?
[18:48] <nacc> CarlFK: are you running some custom kernel alrady?
[18:48] <nacc> CarlFK: it's the post-hook in ubuntu trying to dkms build modules for your kernel
[18:49] <CarlFK> nacc: no - stock xenial
[18:49] <nacc> CarlFK: right, it may not matter, if you don't need those dkms drivers
[18:49] <nacc> CarlFK: it's a side-effect of building a non-ubuntu kernel on ubuntu
[18:50] <CarlFK> thanks - that was my guess.
[18:51] <ChunkzZ> how can I test firefox quantam vs chromium on ubuntu 16?
[18:51] <ChunkzZ> like, the differences in speed etc.
[18:54] <lordcirth_work> donofrio, 'man dpkg-deb'
[18:55] <donofrio> lordcirth_work, ok
[19:02] <virtuosoj> I am looking for a pomodoro timer app that plays an audible alarm when it's finished with the pomodoro - because I will be using the timer while doing off-the-computer tasks such as reading or practicing guitar.  Anyone here know of a good Ubuntu app for this?
[19:03] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/pomodoro
[19:04] <oerheks> oh, gone in 0 seconds
[19:05] <Sean_McG> hi #ubuntu
[19:06] <lordcirth_work> Sean_McG, hello.  Did you have a support question?
[19:06] <Sean_McG> I can think of a few, but nothing in particular right now
[19:10] <ravi> hi
[19:18] <sasho199> Hello everyone! Anyone familiar with setting up ACPI for a laptop? Currently in my boot settings I have added acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=", does anyone know a better configuration? My laptop is an ASUS X550VX.
[19:19] <brainwash> sasho199: is that a valid syntax?
[19:20] <sasho199> brainwash: I don't know. It was supposed to be acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" but the system freezes with that one. So I changed it back to this one.
[19:21] <brainwash> sasho199: mmh. you should tell us which hardware features aren't working for you
[19:21] <chris__> Has anyone got alt/tab working correctly in unity on 17? ccsm is completely missing the "grab key" buttons now and doesn't seem to be possible to fix the alt/tab bindings now since tab is not an option
[19:21] <brainwash> sasho199: basically the reason why you need a workaround/fix
[19:22] <sasho199> brainwash: The blotooth and airplane mode are acting very weirdly. They turn on and off normally, but if I press Fn+F2 they suddenly dont react even if I change them with my mouse.
[19:22] <sasho199> brainwash: They go back to normal if I restart.
[19:24] <sasho199> brainwash: I was following this tutorial, but ir worked partially as you can see from the line, since it was not completed properly: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:24] <brainwash> sasho199: and with  acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"
[19:24] <brainwash> sasho199: ?
[19:25] <sasho199> brainwash: I will try it and I will be right back.
[19:26] <butthead> hi
[19:27] <Guest92680> hi
[19:33] <sasho199> brainwash: I tried it and it boots, when with Windows 2012 or 2015 it did not. The Bluetooth and airplane interaction is very glitchy, sometimes it does not turn on, sometimes it does not even detect the hardware for the bluetooth. Fn+f2 still makes no sense.
[19:34] <brainwash> sasho199: did you check the system log yet?
[19:34] <sasho199> brainwash: I
[19:35] <sasho199> brainwash: I am new to using linux in general, I am not sure what I can do or how. I have not.
[19:36] <brainwash> sasho199: run "dmesg" in a terminal window
[19:37] <sasho199> brainwash: Without sudo, right?
[19:37] <brainwash> sasho199: the newest lines could related to you triggering the hardware events
[19:37] <brainwash> yes, without
[19:39] <sasho199> brainwash: Is this log something that is used widely when troubleshooting in linux?
[19:39] <brainwash> yes
[19:40] <brainwash> kernel messages are very important when doing some debugging
[19:41] <brainwash> sasho199: is that ubuntu 16.04?
[19:42] <sasho199> brainwash: Ok Im looking at it but I don't underastand anything. Since I fiddled with the settings multiple times, I guess that explains why there is som much stuff here.
[19:43] <sasho199> brainwash: Its the latest Ubuntu 17.10
[19:43] <brainwash> sasho199: dmesg only shows kernel messages from the current boot
[19:45] <sasho199> brainwash: What am I looking for?
[19:45] <oerheks> Use journalctl https://askubuntu.com/questions/763638/no-more-boot-logging-since-16-04
[19:45] <brainwash> sasho199: like I said, mainly look at the latest line (ideally after you've trigger the buggy hardware events)
[19:46] <brainwash> lines that are printed at the bottom
[19:46] <sasho199> brainwash: Ill try to trigger it and see what happens
[19:47] <brainwash> sasho199: another thing worth testing is to download the 18.04 iso (the current dev release of ubuntu), and boot into live mode. then see if you can reproduce the issue
[19:48] <sasho199> brainwash: I get these 2 lines: [ 1278.381542] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp2s0: link is not ready [ 1278.436924] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp2s0: link is not ready
[19:50] <sasho199> brainwash: I think my laptop has an complatibilty issue with linux, at least thats what TJ- told me some days ago, he is the creator of that tutorial  followed.
[19:50] <brainwash> sasho199: so, testing with 18.04 may be a good idea
[19:51] <sasho199> brainwash: Since this is a fresh install I could also just install it. I dont have anything on this computer right now.
[19:52] <brainwash> sasho199: you could, but 18.04 is still a dev release
[19:52] <sasho199> brainwash: What does that mean?
[19:52] <nacc> brainwash: sasho199: iiuc, TJ's workaround is for buggy firwmare
[19:52] <nacc> so it's unlikely that 18.04 will fix it
[19:52] <brainwash> sasho199: it receives many package updates, and many of them are not tested at all yet
[19:53] <brainwash> sasho199: thing could just break (software wise)
[19:54] <brainwash> nacc: at least it's easy to test
[19:55] <sasho199> nacc: brainwash: I think thats what he suspected. This is really strange since my laptop is brand new.
[19:55] <brainwash> 18.04 comes with a newer kernel version
[19:55] <nacc> brainwash: yeah, i'd just do a live usb
[19:55] <nacc> sasho199: which makes it actually less likely to be tested with linux
[19:55] <brainwash> exactly
[19:56] <sasho199> nacc: brainwash: You kinda lost me there, can you explain what you mean?
[19:57] <nacc> sasho199: brand new hardware, unless the vendor does it, is often not tested with linux
[19:57] <oerheks> sasho199, this guide says: "acpi_osi= acpi_backlight=native" > https://medium.com/cognitio/install-linux-mint-18-2-on-asus-x550vx-bebf3db51afb   ### and this one just gives: "nouveau.modeset=0" https://askubuntu.com/questions/820423/cannot-install-ubuntu-16-04-lts-on-asus-rog-laptop
[19:57] <oerheks> last one *after installing Nvidia driver
[19:58] <sasho199> oerheks: Man you are a wizard! I could not find something like that so easily. Maybe I can follow these tutorial, really great find!
[19:59] <oerheks> sasho199, TJ's osi parameters should work, but you should try the nouveau.modeset=0, i think
[20:02] <sasho199> oerheks: Where should I put it? Also what does it do?
[20:06] <erol_> slm
[20:07] <oerheks> sasho199, you have added acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=", replace it with nouveau.modeset=0 ( without "" )
[20:08] <akik> oerheks: he said that if he removes the acpi_osi stuff, the laptop doesn't boot
[20:08] <akik> he was using acpi=off earlier
[20:09] <sasho199> oerheks: akik: yes, but I have not tried replacing it with nouveau.modeset=0
[20:09] <oerheks> *if* nvidia is installed, nomodeset can work ?
[20:09] <oerheks> acpi=off is really a last resort
[20:10] <sasho199> oerheks: How are these two things related?
[20:12] <oerheks> nomodeset for nouveau disables the nouveaudriver complete, and give all resources to the nvidia one
[20:12] <oerheks> this might be your culprit
[20:13] <sasho199> oerheks: Should I try to replace the acpi thing with the line you wrote?
[20:14] <oerheks> sasho199, yes, you can do that during boot, that would not save it permanent
[20:14] <oerheks> e=edit, etc
[20:18] <sasho199> Ok it booted. That's a good sign.
[20:19] <oerheks> :-)
[20:19] <oerheks> if you are happy, edit grub and run update-grub
[20:20] <sasho199> oerheks: Now that button that was massing stuff up, does nothing.
[20:20] <sasho199> oerheks: Should I do anything else, something with the nvidia or the like?
[20:21] <oerheks> Just install the drivers for nvidia, or get the latest drivers tfrom the official driver ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:22] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list, and choose; or do it hard-core : sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:22] <sasho199> oerheks: What Im getting ahead of myself. Can you explain what that parameter does?
[20:24] <oerheks>  nouveau.modeset=0  disables the nouveaudriver complete
[20:25] <sasho199> oerheks: Is that driver part of the default linux drivers?
[20:26] <oerheks> ah yes, standard command to install drivers available in the sources/driver menu
[20:27] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list - sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall - sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[20:28] <bigl2369> i'm using ubuntu on windows right now... its just a command application... its a black screen with the ability to enter commands... i need to know how to install a tar.gz file and run it
[20:28] <oerheks> i got these in a list for support, usually i just use autoinstall, for the driver and intel/amd firmware and wireless driver, if any available
[20:28] <sasho199> oerheks: So now that I have disabled that nouveaudiver complete, does that limit my computer in any way?
[20:29] <oerheks> sasho199, you should be fine. nouveau is just the open standard driver. ( not bad at all, for older systems )
[20:29] <oerheks> but your Nvidia 950 is a racemonster :-P
[20:29] <ducasse> !ubuwin | bigl2369
[20:30] <bigl2369> i have the program open right now
[20:30] <bigl2369> i just dont know what i need to enter into the command prompt
[20:30] <bigl2369> or whatever you want to call it
[20:30] <ducasse> bigl2369: "For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows"
[20:31] <oerheks> bigl2369, join  #ubuntu-on-windows  for WSL support
[20:32] <pyex> hello
[20:37] <sasho199> oerheks: I followed the tutorial you sent about downloading the nvidia driver, I am currently using 290.25(open source)
[20:38] <virtuosoj> I am looking for a pomodoro timer app that plays an audible alarm when it's finished with the pomodoro - because I will be using the timer while doing off-the-computer tasks such as reading or practicing guitar.  Anyone here know of a good Ubuntu app for this?
[20:39] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/pomodoro
[20:39] <oerheks> sasho199, the latest from the driver ppa would be nvidia-graphics-drivers-390
[20:40] <oerheks> snap install pomodoro, maybe you need sudo
[20:41] <sasho199> oerheks: Thats what I meant to write 390.25
[20:41] <oerheks> sasho199, oh oke, that looks fine
[20:42] <sasho199> oerheks: Do you know about that unkno device, the tutorial shows it too.
[20:44] <jlevon_> anyone seen a weird issue with firefox 58.0.2 on 16.04 where the url bar drop down menu can't be navigated via keyboard?
[20:44] <jlevon_> and it's really flickery?
[20:44] <oerheks> sasho199, not sure what you mean by unknown device?
[20:45] <sasho199> oerheks: I have an unknown device like in this picture(from the tutorial you sent me) : https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*r8sk7P-ek1uvvWEePr5Vvw.png
[20:47] <SimonNL> sasho199: it shows it's CPU under the version line
[20:48] <oerheks> sasho199, oh no worries, intel-firmware
[20:49] <oerheks> it is an extention for the kernel, for the latest CPU's ( newer than 1 year or so)
[20:51] <pyex> hello, i want to run program with command parameter. But how?
[20:51] <pyex> i dont want to write program + command line, is it have to short?
[20:51] <akik> pyex: either: "program -option" or "program --option". you can see the options with "program -h" or "program --help"
[20:52] <oerheks> pyex, if you don't want to type it manually everytime, make a fresh launcher with those parameters?
[20:52] <pyex> run program with command line "forever" ...
[20:52] <oerheks> add it to the Exec line https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[20:53] <akik> pyex: you can use screen or tmux to keep your program running, independent of the gui
[20:53] <pyex> my program is firejail. my command is: firejail firefox :D
[20:54] <spectacular> hello. fairly new i7 laptop by msi. just did a fresh install of ubuntu 17.10 (ubuntu studio). everything is horribly, horribly slow and choppy. i'm sure this is a common problem and there's an easy fix, but what is it?
[20:55] <brym> in case anyone hasn't heard: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/02/raw-sockets-backdoor-gives-attackers-complete-control-of-some-linux-servers/
[20:55] <leftyfb> spectacular: try to install the latest drivers for your video chipset
[20:55] <wolfgangnerf> o/
[20:55] <spectacular> leftyfb would this be nvidia?
[20:56] <leftyfb> spectacular: yes
[20:56] <akik> brym: once your bad password and ssh configuration practices have been breached, the game is lost
[20:57] <wolfgangnerf> I'm on this 16.04 machine rn and I'd really like to set up this wifi stick...  the chip is shown as a TL-WN821N, I found a corresponding module "ar9170" somewhere, but is that correct and where can I find that one?
[20:57] <sasho199> oerheks: I wanted to try to boot without the nouveau.modeset=0 parameter and it booted succefully, is that to be expected since I intalled the nvidia driver?
[20:57] <brym> akik: perhaps. but still worth sharing.
[20:58] <hans_henrik> how can i install a HWE kernel?
[20:59] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[20:59] <hans_henrik> ... on a Ubuntu 16.04 Server that can't use it's ethernet port after getting a motherboard upgrade
[20:59] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: first result on google when searching for "ubuntu hwe kernel"
[20:59] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: why can't it use it's ethernet port?
[21:00] <wolfgangnerf> the module doesn't seem to be shipped with the linux-firmware package... "Module ar9170 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-112-generic"
[21:00] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: presumably because the hardware is too new.  Windows 10 on the same computer can use it just fine
[21:00] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: the motherboard is a 2017 model
[21:00] <hans_henrik> ("asus b250 mining expert")
[21:01] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: you had ubuntu running on this before the motherboard switch?
[21:01] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: yes
[21:01] <hans_henrik> a win10/ubuntu 16.04 multiboot
[21:01] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: the same exact installation?
[21:01] <brainwash> sasho199: the nvidia driver installation already disables the nouveau module, so the parameter has no effect in this case
[21:01] <hans_henrik> and after the motherboard switch, only win10 can connect to the internet
[21:01] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: yes, the exact same.
[21:01] <hans_henrik> the exact same harddrive
[21:01] <hans_henrik> the same cpu, ram chip, harddrive
[21:02] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: try: sudo rm /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent*   # then reboot
[21:02] <sasho199> brainwash: So I could have just unstalled the nvidia driver then? Without adding that parameter?
[21:02] <brainwash> sasho199: why do you want to uninstall the driver?
[21:02] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: also, did you verify that the network interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces is actually named the same now?
[21:03] <pyex> oerheks: I found alacarte from your link address: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[21:03] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: the /etc/udev/rules.d/ folder is empty (not even any hidden files). and i did not check /etc/network/interfaces
[21:03] <sasho199> brainwash: I misspelled. I wanted to write install not unstall.
[21:04] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: look in /etc/network/interfaces and compare with what you've got with "ifconfig -a" or "ls /sys/class/net"
[21:04] <pyex> oerheks: alacarte like as i wish. Thank you for link
[21:04] <brainwash> sasho199: the parameter may be needed before you install the driver
[21:04] <brainwash> sasho199: in case the system does not boot properly
[21:05] <sasho199> brainwash: I dont really undestand why it was booting when I wrote the acpi thing? Is that even related?
[21:05] <hans_henrik> oh wow, /sys/class/net suggests the system recognized the network card after all
[21:05] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: now just update /e/n/i with the correct name
[21:05] <brainwash> sasho199: I have no idea why it should be related at all
[21:06] <brainwash> sasho199: nvidia is a gpu chip
[21:06] <sasho199> brainwash: Does ACPI have something to do with the graphics card?
[21:07] <brainwash> sasho199: I guess it could. like, when you have dual gpus
[21:08] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: you're right about /etc/network/interfaces, the name there is wrong, but i got no idea what you mean by /e/n/i
[21:08] <hans_henrik> dvdijbtdigrjdi
[21:08] <hans_henrik> ok, now i know what you meant, derp, thanks
[21:08] <leftyfb> hans_henrik:  /etc/network/interfaces
[21:09] <brainwash> sasho199: an integrated intel gpu and the nvidia one for example
[21:09] <brainwash> sasho199: however, you really should test 18.04 and report back your findings
[21:10] <leftyfb> 18.04 discussion should be done in #ubuntu+1
[21:10] <brainwash> there is no discussion going on about 18.04
[21:12] <sasho199> brainwash: You think I should test if my laptop can run 18.04 without the nvidia driver and without the nouveau disabling parameter?
[21:12] <maro_> When is the next LTS version going to be released?
[21:12] <hans_henrik> maro_: april 2018
[21:13] <maro_> what?
[21:13] <maro_> Are you for real?
[21:13] <oerheks> "nvidia driver installation already disables the nouveau module" not always true, afaik
[21:13] <leftyfb> maro_: LTS's are released every 2 years. The next one is in a couple months from now.
[21:13] <brainwash> sasho199: test whatever you like, but the main thing you want to actually test is the ACPI compatibility
[21:13] <hans_henrik> maro_: google it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:14] <maro_> I am on 14.06 when was it released?
[21:14] <leftyfb> maro_: there was no 14.06
[21:14] <hans_henrik> ...
[21:14] <oerheks> maro_, year 14 .. not month 6
[21:14] <maro_> 16.04 my bad
[21:14] <leftyfb> maro_: Ubuntu releases are numbers as YEAR.MONTH it was released
[21:14] <sasho199> brainwash: I thought the problem is with the nouveaudriver thing? I am kinda confused about this.
[21:14] <leftyfb> maro_: 16.04 was released in 2016.April(04)
[21:14] <maro_> Oh I see it now thanks
[21:15] <maro_> Seems like for ever when I first got 16.04
[21:15] <oerheks> Release Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS (Xenial Xerus) on March 1, 2018
[21:15] <sasho199> brainwash: are you saying that if my computer's acpi is fully compatible with ubuntu 18.04, none of these problems would occur?
[21:16] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: hmm, now it's stuck at boot with a red "[...] A start job is running for Raise network interfaces (4min / 5min).."  - any ideas?
[21:16] <brainwash> sasho199: I don't understand how you link your issue with bluetooth/wifi to the graphics card driver
[21:16] <maro_> Can you update to 18 with console?
[21:17] <leftyfb> hans_henrik: yeah, either still got the wrong name setup in /e/n/i or you have it set to dhcp and you're not getting an address from your network. Or ...... the cable isn't plugged in :)
[21:17] <brainwash> sasho199: yes. you simply check if the upcoming ubuntu release offers better support for your system
[21:17] <sasho199> brainwash: Well they were acting weird and now they are not. I have a lot to learn, I don't understand these things at all, it's magic to me.
[21:18] <hans_henrik> leftyfb: the cable is plugged in, and the DHCP server probably works fine, otherwise win10 would have problems connecting (its a multiboot system with win10 and ubuntu 16.04, win10 works great) - i will double-check the /e/n/i tho
[21:18] <akik> sasho199: what did you change that everything is now working?
[21:18] <sasho199> brainwash: But now I don't see any issue with some buttons or combinations making my computer behave weirdly. So that I see as problem solved.
[21:20] <sasho199> akik: Changed acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=" to nouveau.modeset=0 and then installed an nvidia driver(I followed this https://medium.com/cognitio/install-linux-mint-18-2-on-asus-x550vx-bebf3db51afb)
[21:21] <sasho199> akik: Now I removed the nouveau parameter and things are fine
[21:21] <sasho199> akik: From my point of view installing the nvidia driver solved all of the problems.
[21:21] <sasho199> akik: I do not understand why though.
[21:21] <akik> nice. and you don't have any acpi parameters in /proc/cmdline now?
[21:22] <sasho199> akik: Im not sure what that is. The file I edited was this /etc/default/grub
[21:23] <akik> sasho199: it's the kernel line that is active for this boot
[21:23] <akik> sasho199: it'll list all the kernel parameters
[21:24] <sasho199> akik: how do I open it? sudo? sudo nano?
[21:24] <akik> sasho199: cat
[21:24] <sasho199> akik: this is what I get: /etc/default/grub
[21:25] <sasho199> akik: sorry not that
[21:25] <akik> sasho199: cat /proc/cmdline
[21:25] <sasho199> akik: this is what I get: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.13.0-32-generic.efi.signed root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro quiet splash
[21:25] <akik> sasho199: i can understand that linux is hard sometimes, especially for a new user with a new machine
[21:25] <sasho199> akik: I forgot that you cant ctrl+c on the terminal
[21:25] <akik> sasho199: ok so extra options there
[21:25] <akik> sasho199: ok so _no_ extra options there
[21:26] <sasho199> akik: I will edit the grub so I get it to boot like that every time.
[21:26] <akik> sasho199: did you machine get stuck every time after the install?
[21:27] <akik> your
[21:27] <hans_henrik> i doublechecked /etc/network/interfaces , everything seemed corrected, rebooted, and again get "a start job is running for Raise network interfaces", sigh
[21:28] <sasho199> akik: I think it worked once or twice, but that was just weird. Normally it would not boot it I had no parameters like: acpi=off or the nouveau thing
[21:29] <sasho199> akik: A couple of different parameters made it work but the combination fn+f2 made my bluetooth and airlane mode act weirdly(could not turn on or even would not detect I had bluetooth hardware)
[21:29] <sasho199> akik: Now its fine.That combination does not do anything, I dont know if its supposed to be like that
[21:33] <akik> sasho199: how about if you now add that acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[21:33] <akik> maybe once for a test
[21:37] <hans_henrik> the line "auto enp0s31f6"  doesn't seem to do anything, but "iface enp0s31f6 inet dhcp"  freeze the booting for 5 minutes
[21:38] <hans_henrik> altho win10 is able to use dhcp, i could try bypassing dhcp by setting the gateway/ip/mask/dns manually
[21:38] <hans_henrik> just in case dhcp is the problem?
[21:39] <akik> hans_henrik: do you have a system there that you need to provide the mac address to your network people?
[21:43] <hanshenrik> sorry, lost internet the last 4 minutes
[21:43] <hanshenrik> akik: no, it's not required, if an unknown mac joins, it gets a random-ish ip address
[21:44] <hanshenrik> and there is no network people, just me, my stepmom's home, my router
[21:45] <akik> hanshenrik: you can try "sudo dhclient -v enp0s31f6" and see what it gives back. you need to stop the running dhclient first
[21:47] <hanshenrik> would that be "killall dhclient" ?
[21:47] <akik> hanshenrik: yes
[21:48] <hanshenrik> no such process running; (probably killed at bootup after that 5 minute timeout)
[21:49] <GeeGeeBB> If bash is shooting it can't fork because it's out of memory, but there's plenty of memory still avaiable, would it be wise to deduce that something like the user is being limited in how much memory they're allowed to use (and somehow is at that limit)?
[21:50] <hanshenrik> well, nothing looks off, it keeps saying "DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s31f6 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 13 (xid=SOMETHING)
[21:50] <akik> hanshenrik: double check the cabling :)
[21:50] <akik> hanshenrik: did you have that 70-persistent-net.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d ?
[21:52] <akik> hanshenrik: well it doesn't really matter. it just keeps network interface names connected to their mac addresses
[21:52] <hanshenrik> akik: no,  rules.d folder was empty when ...that other guy who's name escapes me... suggested i delete all *persistent* files, there's nothing in that dir
[21:52] <TJ-> hanshenrik: akik is this a system where it can transmit but cannot receive data on a wired /Intel/ ethernet port?
[21:52] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all
[21:53] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i don't know, how would i even test that
[21:53] <akik>  TJ-: motherboard swap, and no ip from dhcp
[21:53] <hanshenrik> TJ-: but windows 10 gets ip from dhcp, just ubuntu 16.04 doesn't
[21:54] <TJ-> hanshenrik: what does "lspci -nn -d::0200" report?
[21:54] <hanshenrik> (when i multiboot into Win10 instead of 16.04)
[21:54] <TJ-> hanshenrik: I suspect I know the cause but I need to check the device is an Intel chipset from the lspci output
[21:54] <hanshenrik> dhclient just gave up saying "No DHCPOFFERS recieved."
[21:56] <TJ-> akik: It sounds like the common Intel Wake-on-LAN power-save  set by the Windows driver Device settings problem
[21:56] <hanshenrik> TJ-: 00:1f.6 Ethernet Controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V [8086:15b8]
[21:56] <TheMythPT> !grub2
[21:57] <TJ-> hanshenrik: that's the one! OK, reboot into Windows, open Control Panel > Device Manager, find the Intel network device, open it's properties dialog, find the settings tab where there are Wake On LAN options, and /disable/ all the power saving options there.
[21:58] <TJ-> hanshenrik: we see this issue due to something the Windows driver sets about once every 2 weeks; it seems to put the Rx side of the chipset into a state that Linux cannot wake up, so the device can transmit packets but not receive any
[21:58] <hanshenrik> huh, did someone tell the linux driver devs?
[21:59] <TJ-> hanshenrik: The driver is created by Intel (in Windows and Linux)... it's not clear what's going on as yet
[21:59] <hanshenrik> weird, told it to reboot, Kernel panic - not syncing: Timeout: Not all CPUs entered broadcast exception handler
[22:00] <TJ-> hanshenrik: ouch! well, 1 thing at a time. If you can resolve the network device issue and the panic repeats we can investigate it then
[22:00] <hanshenrik> (right after using efibootmgr --bootnext  for the first time after switching motherboard)
[22:00] <DiecastMessiah> maybe dumb question here but : but running stock  ubuntu 16.04 with unity but say i want to use Konversation IRC which is KDE.. can I use it without having to install the full KDE Desktop ENV
[22:01] <TJ-> DiecastMessiah: yes. IF you install the package it'll pull in all the libraries it depends on
[22:03] <DiecastMessiah> so just the kde package. guessing it be 'Sudo apt-get kde' ???
[22:04] <hanshenrik> DiecastMessiah: no, just tell it to install.. Konversation, and it will fetch the sub parts of kde that you need (and in theory, nothing more.. )
[22:04] <HankMoody> DiecastMessiah: just 'sudo apt-get install konversation' - it will automatically pull the stuff it needs to put it together from the repos. It will probably pull a bunch of KDE libraries that are required for it (maybe even KDE itself)
[22:05] <TJ-> DiecastMessiah: no, just install the program you want ^^^ as Hank says
[22:05] <TJ-> DiecastMessiah: you might want to do "apt install --no-install-recommends konversation"
[22:05] <DiecastMessiah> K thanks i tryied from the ubuntu software before and it didn't seem to work right
[22:06] <HankMoody> Ooh good thought TJ- ... Yeah DiecastMessiah I prefer to snag stuff from the terminal as opposed to the Ubuntu software program that's installed (sometime's I'll use Synaptic to search for what I'm lookin for).
[22:09] <DiecastMessiah> K thanks again BRB
[22:11] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i disabled the power settings options in device manager in win10 where you said, rebooted, .. and still get the "A start job is now running for Raise network interfaces (xx / 5min)"   :(
[22:12] <TJ-> hanshenrik: OK, wait until you've got a terminal then we can check the WoL state with "ethtool <interfacename>"
[22:12] <akik> TJ-: wouldn't this problem have been also with the old motherboard?
[22:13] <akik> TJ-: he had a dual boot setup then, too
[22:13] <TJ-> akik: depends if the old motherboard had the same network device chipset.
[22:13] <hanshenrik> akik: i'm not using an external ethernet card, i'm using the motherboard's built-in ones, they may not be the same
[22:14] <akik> TJ-: so it's only with that I219-V [8086:15b8] ?
[22:14] <TJ-> hanshenrik: you'll need to do "sudo ethtool -s enp0s31f6 wol d" to disable WoL
[22:15] <TJ-> akik: No, I've seen it with another Intel chipset too (I'd have to search my logs for which one though)
[22:15] <TJ-> akik: but had this same chipset about 2 weeks ago
[22:16] <hanshenrik> seems they're different indeed, the old mobo's specs says "Realtek RTL8111H - 10/100/1000 Controller" - the new mobo says "Intel® I219V, 1 x Gigabit LAN Controller(s)"
[22:16] <hanshenrik> the old 1 is from Realtek, the new 1 is from Intel
[22:18] <hanshenrik> TJ-: "sudo ethtool -s enp0s31f6 wol d" gave no output and returned 0  (echo $?)
[22:20] <DiecastMessiah> testing chat colours
[22:20] <hanshenrik> TJ-: should i try to reboot again and see if i get the 5 minutes timeout or not now?
[22:21] <TJ-> hanshenrik: no, try to manually run the dhclient command
[22:22] <TJ-> hanshenrik: "enp0s31f6" is definitely the name of the interface on this mobo?
[22:22] <TJ-> hanshenrik: as shown by "ip link show"
[22:23] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i got the name from ifconfig -a
[22:23] <hanshenrik> seems dhclient still isn't getting any response
[22:23] <badboyjer> dhclient sucks sometimes
[22:24] <TJ-> hanshenrik: OK, that's the 'old' way. Deprecated in favour of the iproute tooling (ip address|route|link|etc)
[22:24] <TJ-> hanshenrik: give me a moment to grep my log files for the previous incidents
[22:27] <hanshenrik> dhclient just gave up, "No DHCPOFFERS recieved."
[22:28] <hanshenrik> TJ-: just checked, "ip link show" also calls it "enp0s31f6"
[22:28] <TJ-> hanshenrik: does "ip link show dev enp0s31f6" report "NO CARRIER"
[22:29] <badboyjer> ip link set wlan0 up works to fix wlan0 interface
[22:31] <hanshenrik> TJ-: no, it says 2: enp0s31f6: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 (newline) link/ether 18:31:bf:b7:94:62 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[22:31] <oerheks> badboyjer, that would be the old name for wifi devices, see for the new way https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[22:32] <TJ-> hanshenrik: that's good "NO CARRIER" would have indicated a physical port/cable issue.
[22:32] <stvn> [[]]
[22:33] <badboyjer> how come wlan0 is an old name
[22:33] <TJ-> hanshenrik: I'd suggest now you check if there are any incoming packets on the interface (to try to confirm whether the interface sees any packets at all, if not DHCP) "sudo tcpdump -ni enp0s31f6"
[22:33] <akik> badboyjer: it's just the naming system used before systemd
[22:33] <badboyjer> ok
[22:34] <oerheks> badboyjer, it changed, to make provisioning more simpler
[22:34] <akik> badboyjer: works as well as the new thing
[22:34] <badboyjer> sounsd god
[22:34] <badboyjer> sounds good
[22:34] <badboyjer> my system says wlan0
[22:34] <oerheks> yeah, it is a breeze for large systems/networks
[22:36] <oerheks> page may not load, see webarchive https://web.archive.org/web/20180212195755/https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[22:38] <hanshenrik> TJ-: yes, it can definitely see packets. when i started a lan scan from another computer, running port 24 tests on all ips in the range <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>, tcpdump flodded the sceen. and even when im not doing anything, it report lots of ARP packets from/to different ips
[22:39] <hanshenrik> TJ-: it can tell when my lan scanner is running, so yeah, it's seeing it.
[22:39] <TJ-> hanshenrik: OK, then if there was a WoL power-save issue that's bee resolved... if not, it was a red-herring! The issue now is the DHCP server not replying apparently
[22:39] <hanshenrik> thats possible
[22:39] <hanshenrik> any idea why it will respond to windows 10 but not ubuntu?
[22:39] <hanshenrik> in any case, lets try to bypass it
[22:40] <TJ-> hanshenrik: if you keep tcpdump active, and in another terminal do "sudo dhclient enp0s31f6 &" do you see any DHCP server packets inbound ?
[22:40] <badboyjer> you guys could use wireshark for that
[22:40] <TJ-> badboyjer: Why use wireshark when tcpdump does the same job?
[22:41] <akik> hanshenrik: did you try setting a static ip?
[22:41] <tcpdump> TJ-:  exactly!!!
[22:41] <badboyjer> yea
[22:41] <badboyjer> it does
[22:41] <badboyjer> i like wireshark
[22:41] <hanshenrik> akik: no i didn't
[22:41] <TJ-> badboyjer: but wireshark is no good on a server, for example, or when using a recovery console, or not having a GUI
[22:42] <badboyjer> yea thats true
[22:42] <badboyjer> tcpdump does a pretty good job
[22:42] <tcpdump> Thanks badboyjer !
[22:42] <TJ-> wireshark and tcpdump both use the underlying libpcap (packet capture) anyhow, they're just different front ends
[22:42] <badboyjer> yes they are
[22:43] <badboyjer> wireshark is my friend
[22:43] <akik> badboyjer: there's tshark if you want to use it in the console
[22:43] <badboyjer> yea im gonna check out tshark
[22:43] <transhuman> HI! can anyone tell me what the default application that saves a csv file in chrome instead of opening it in an app is its not file its not nautilus and its not dolphine. Thanks for the help . I accidentally made it so that it opens it up in libreoffice and I want to put it back to the default saver application. thanks in advance
[22:44] <KombuchaKip> Can PPA's host *.ddeb debugging symbol packages?
[22:44] <hanshenrik> TJ-: yes, i think i'm seeing dhclient (but there is a lot of noise too)
[22:44] <hanshenrik> IP <IP_ADDRESS> > <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:44] <hanshenrik> ... 239?
[22:45] <TJ-> hanshenrik: limit it: "sudo tcdpump -ni enp0s31f6 udp"
[22:46] <hanshenrik> TJ-: yeah im seeing the DHCP requests in the tcpdump
[22:47] <TJ-> hanshenrik: so you see the outbound, but nothing no replies?
[22:47] <badboyjer> they shouldnt of made the intefaces with so many goddamn numbers and letters
[22:47] <hanshenrik> well, seems like its trying to reply to ip <IP_ADDRESS> or something, but that's a bogus ip i think
[22:47] <TJ-> KombuchaKip: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Installing_dbgsym_packages_from_a_PPA
[22:48] <TJ-> hanshenrik: that's a multicast
[22:48] <oerheks> badboyjer, please whatch your language here, keep this channel family friendly, thanks
[22:48] <transhuman> anyone able to see in ubuntu what the default application for opening csv files is in ubuntu?
[22:48] <badboyjer> yea i am watching my language
[22:48] <TJ-> hanshenrik: is the DHCP server directly connected to the PC, or is there a router inbetween?
[22:49] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i don't know if there's any response or not, but my best guess is no.  i see the dhcp server sending a lot of packets to the <IP_ADDRESS> address, but that's it
[22:49] <hanshenrik> but if the dhcp server is buggy, i don't really need it, i can set it up manually
[22:50] <hanshenrik> ... i think
[22:50] <KombuchaKip> TJ-: Thank you.
[22:50] <akik> transhuman: try: grep -i csv /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[22:50] <rollingubuntu> hey! anyone using 17.10 ?
[22:51] <KombuchaKip> A metropolis city builder social simulation game for Ubuntu in the works: https://www.avaneya.com. Please get on our announcement mailing list!
[22:51] <TJ-> hanshenrik: it looks like the wrong broadcast address is set, is the client's DISCOVER packet sent to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 ?
[22:51] <ducasse> KombuchaKip: please don't spam here
[22:51] <hanshenrik> TJ-: could the problem be a weird DHCP server that for some reason don't want to talk to ubuntu, but is happy to talk to win10, then?
[22:51] <chindy> Both my video programs always randomly turn off sound, when i click on an other program (VLC, movies). Any idea how to disable this ?
[22:51] <transhuman> akik thanks but I know its libreoffice that its opening in but WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED to be?
[22:51] <oerheks> rollingubuntu, lots of us are, do you have a support issue?
[22:52] <DiecastMessiah> rollingubuntu: just ask the question
[22:52] <akik> transhuman: i think it gets updated according to what apps you install
[22:52] <hanshenrik> TJ-: yes, <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[22:52] <TJ-> hanshenrik: it looks like the broadcast address. do you see DHCP OFFERs from the server sent to <IP_ADDRESS> port 68 ?
[22:52] <akik> transhuman: i don't know what you mean with what is it supposed to be
[22:52] <badboyjer> <IP_ADDRESS> is also ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[22:52] <badboyjer> broadcast
[22:52] <badboyjer> right?
[22:52] <KombuchaKip> ducasse: Please don't spam the channel. Avaneya is for Ubuntu and is free software.
[22:52] <transhuman> what is the default program that causes it to ask to save the file instead of opening it in an applicatoin
[22:53] <oerheks> KombuchaKip, please don't.. your app is not in our repos.
[22:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> hey folks, i am trying to VNC into a VM-based LXDE environment from my home pc - it works from my phone just fine, but my pc it rejects authentication for some reason, and the vnc log only says "authentication failed" with no reason - it has persisted through 3 reinstalls of ubuntu now on VMs and not sure what i am doing wrong.
[22:53] <ducasse> KombuchaKip: this is still not the right place to promote it
[22:53] <rollingubuntu> yes, quite a few :| first, the Dock on the left, I set it to autohide, however it only hides when "it is in the way of a window"... so, for ex, I plug in a USB and the icon appears on the desktop, behind the Dock
[22:53] <akik> transhuman: sorry no idea
[22:53] <KombuchaKip> oerheks: Could you please show me where promoting Ubuntu free software isn't relevant? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[22:54] <KombuchaKip> oerheks: Because actually it's been on the official Ubuntu wiki for over half a decade now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/NativeFreeCommercial
[22:55] <transhuman> can I ask you to try and save from the web a csv file in chrome ( and then click on show in folder and then right click the file and go to properties and see what the application is akik ! I know this is a lot to ask but I am kinda stuck
[22:55] <transhuman> your efforts are greatly appreciated
[22:55] <ducasse> KombuchaKip: it's not a technical support issue, so please just drop it
[22:55] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i see that the dhcp server (<IP_ADDRESS>) is sending a lot of UDP packets to <IP_ADDRESS> port 1900, but tcpdump doesn't name those packets, idk what they are (range from ~130-450 bytes tho)
[22:55] <oerheks> KombuchaKip, this is technical support, spamming is not allowed in here
[22:55] <DiecastMessiah> KombuchaKip: this is a support channel not a socal chat.. spam is not really welcome
[22:55] <TJ-> transhuman: that is usually an internal browser setting; there should be options to configure the Applications that handlemime-types
[22:55] <oerheks> again: it is not in our repos
[22:55] <akik> transhuman: i'm using plasma 5. it's most probably not what you're using(?)
[22:56] <transhuman> shit no
[22:56] <transhuman> one click and shit is screwed. Its not file its not nautilus and its not dolphine for sure
[22:56] <TJ-> hanshenrik: OK, that's not the 'DHCP server' sending to port 1990, when we say 'DHCP server' we mean the DHCP server /service/ on that host (<IP_ADDRESS>) which will talk/response with UDP on ports 67/68 ... so I'm wondering if the DHCP service is even running
[22:56] <KombuchaKip> oerheks: You should probably change the channel topic then to state that since it simply says it "supports Ubuntu and its official flavours" which doesn't imply it's limited to technical support. In any case, please stop spamming me about that.
[22:57] <oerheks> KombuchaKip, stop complaining, thanks.
[22:57] <KombuchaKip> oerheks: Promotion isn't complaining. Stop complaining, thanks.
[22:58] <TJ-> What is this? an exercise in demonstrating how DDoS works via amplification attacks!? 1 message does not need a tennis match of warning replies!
[22:59] <TJ-> hanshenrik: can another device, right now, get a DHCP lease on the same sub-net ?
[22:59] <hanshenrik> TJ-: i can check, but then i will lose access to IRC for about 1 minute (or longer if the answer is no)
[23:00] <hanshenrik> .. ill go ahead
[23:01] <akik> transhuman: create a new user, then test with that user
[23:05] <hanshenrik_> TJ-: yeah.. although the default DNS servers are down (my ISP's DNS - that usually happens around this time, i think they're doing some "maintenance" and thinks nobody will notice in the middle of the night, its 00:05AM x.x)
[23:05] <hanshenrik_> but yeah, my laptop successfully got an ip/dns/gateway/mask from dhcp, same network, win7
[23:06] <rollingubuntu> anyone has any tips to really autohide the Dock (launcher) ?
[23:06] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: hmmm, well it must be something to do with the DHCP server service which I assume is a home modem/router/wifi combination device?
[23:07] <hanshenrik_> correct
[23:07] <badboyjer> restart your modem/router
[23:07] <badboyjer> try that
[23:07] <oerheks> rollingubuntu, systemsettings > dock > hide
[23:07] <hanshenrik_> badboyjer: already did twice a few hours back, but i could try again
[23:07] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: I say that because you've shown with tcpdump that the client sends DHCP REQUESTs but doesn't get a DHCP OFFER in reply
[23:07] <badboyjer> then nmap the router| nmap -sS -vv -Pn <ip> or nmap -sU -vv <ip>
[23:07] <hanshenrik_> TJ-: looks like it, yeah
[23:08] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: is the port on the router the PC is connected proved to give out DHCP addresses for other OSes/devices ?
[23:08] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: I've seen folks plug a PC into a router's 5th ethernet port which was reserved for WAN and therefore no DHCP service listening :)
[23:09] <hanshenrik_> TJ-: yeah, 2 android phones, an iOS iPad, 3 windows machines, and another debian linux got ip from it throughout the day, most of which are still connected
[23:09] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: the other question would be, do other /wired/ devices get DHCP leases, or are only Wifi devices getting DHCP leases?
[23:09] <hanshenrik_> oh, but that's over wifi
[23:10] <hanshenrik_> that's a good question, ill need to check
[23:10] <akik> hanshenrik_: you said that the windows installation on that same machine gets an ip
[23:11] <hanshenrik_> akik: oh, yes it does
[23:12] <rollingubuntu> oerheks: I did that and the Dock only hides if it's in the way of a window for example; it there's plenty of desktop space, it stays visible
[23:13] <hanshenrik_> hmm, but now the web interface of the router has stopped responding (it shows the login page, but won't respond to login requests), that's... an indication that the router isn't stable x.x
[23:13] <TJ-> hanshenrik_: right, a reboot is the quickest test :)
[23:14] <rollingubuntu> oerheks: actually, I've got it --> https://askubuntu.com/questions/979732/how-can-i-hide-the-dock-in-gnome
[23:14] <oerheks> rollingubuntu, nice, good find
[23:15] <lfitz> i tried #c++ but i have  question regarding g++ and a shared library .so which i wrote
[23:15] <lfitz> i would like to use #include <myLogger>
[23:15] <lfitz> i was told to use "myLogger.h" however that is not what should be happening...
[23:16] <lfitz> if I want to use the library in other projects should I just be able to use #include <myLogger>
[23:17] <nacc> lfitz: you haven't actually said what is happening
[23:17] <nacc> lfitz: and also, you probably want a programming channel, as you asked
[23:17] <lfitz> :-P yea, sorry
[23:18] <nacc> lfitz: preferablly (I think) in a pastebin
[23:18] <hanshenrik_> guys, thanks so much for the help, but i am out of time, i'll try to fix this later.
[23:18] <hanshenrik_> ping TJ- ^
[23:34] <ALowther> Can anybody direct me on what the proper way to go about installing the latest version of nodejs would be?
[23:35] <ALowther> The way instructed on nodejs.org I have been told is unsafe
[23:35] <ALowther> https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
[23:35] <nacc> ALowther: told by whom?
[23:35] <nacc> ALowther: to be clear, there are two ways, the Ubuntu officially supported way which is to run the nodejs shiped by Ubuntu for your distribution
[23:35] <ALowther> nacc: People in other linux-based chats
[23:35] <nacc> and the other way what nodejs syas
[23:35] <nacc> *says
[23:36] <nacc> ALowther: what did they say was unsafe about it?
[23:36] <nacc> ALowther: it's like any other PPA, you are trusting them to do wahtever they want to your system
[23:36] <ALowther> nacc: If I understood correctly, it's the way it is piped directly into a sudo command.
[23:37] <nacc> ALowther: oh
[23:37] <nacc> well, yeah, that's dumb
[23:37] <nacc> just download it, inspect the script
[23:37] <nacc> then run it if you trust it
[23:39] <ALowther> nacc: Okay, so this is different than other ones?  I am still learning so I appreciate your patience with my ignorance....When I installed sublime text, I created a  .list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, is that not the same idea I would follow here?
[23:40] <nacc> ALowther: that script does it for you
[23:40] <nacc> ALowther: as I said, read the script
[23:42] <rangemonger> what package does ubiquity need to present you with wifi connections?
[23:42] <ALowther> nacc: Okay, I will see if I can understand it. Thank you.
[23:42] <rollingubuntu> if you're using 17.10, quite a few of you, I believe it's not only me to notice the desktop is quite buggy (it works,just that it noticeable that things are not well tuned); 16.04 was smooth as butter
[23:43] <rangemonger> rollingubuntu: yeah, its been a bit wonky for me too
[23:43] <rangemonger> cant wait for 18
[23:44] <rollingubuntu> rangemonger: I want to be optimistic, however there could be more bugs?!? :D
[23:44] <rangemonger> the lts vers usually seem pretty good
[23:47] <rangemonger> is there a command to check the status of the swap file?
[23:47] <nacc> rangemonger: status in what sense?
[23:47] <rangemonger> thinks i saw a swap error on boot
[23:48] <rangemonger> *think
[23:48] <nacc> rangemonger: `swapon --show` with no args will show you the status
[23:48] <nacc> iirc
[23:48] <rangemonger> great, thanks
[23:49] <rangemonger> huh, doesnt output anything
[23:49] <nacc> rangemonger: `sudo swapon -a` will attempt to mount swap devices/files
[23:49] <nacc> as defined in /etc/fstab
[23:50] <rangemonger> failed :(
[23:50] <rangemonger> is it because im on btrfs?
[23:50] <nacc> rangemonger: i don't know?
[23:51] <nacc> rangemonger: are you using a swap partition or a swap file?
[23:51] <rollingubuntu> rangemonger: you mean the 18.04 will be a  LTS?
[23:51] <rangemonger> file, i didnt make a partition
[23:51] <nacc> rollingubuntu: yes 18.04 will be lts
[23:51] <rangemonger> rollingubuntu: indeed
[23:52] <nacc> rangemonger: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_btrfs_support_swap_files.3F
[23:52] <rollingubuntu> rangemonger: and, will it be easy to just upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 or a fresh install is recommended?!? :)
[23:52] <rangemonger> hmm, yeah, i have 2 identical VMs, one with ext4, one with  btrfs, only the bt one doesnt have it working
[23:52] <rangemonger> good to know, thanks nacc
[23:52] <stvn> i want fix
[23:53] <rangemonger> "everything is fine, nothing is ruined" -homestarrunner
[23:53] <rangemonger> rollingubuntu: who knows, sometimes it works fine, others, not really
[23:54] <nacc> stvn: please use complete sentences and describe your issue
[23:54] <rollingubuntu> rangemonger: yeah, you're right.
[23:54] <DiecastMessiah> stvn with what, you talking software or drugs? lol
[23:54] <nacc> rollingubuntu: it should be fine
[23:54] <rollingubuntu> anyone knows how to copy files like sudo via nautilus?
[23:55] <rangemonger> sudo nautilus
[23:55] <kenrin> open nautilus with sudo ?
[23:55] <nacc> rangemonger: gksudo
[23:55] <rangemonger> the gui really should have more elevation options
[23:55] <nacc> do not use sudo with graphical applications directly
[23:55] <rollingubuntu> may thanks
[23:55] <rollingubuntu> macc: you mean sudo nautilus?
[23:56] <nacc> rollingubuntu: `gksudo nautilus`
[23:56] <nacc> rollingubuntu: but also, what are you doing that requires root and a GUI
[23:56] <nacc> IMO, hint: you're doing it wrong :)
[23:56] <rangemonger> if you start sudo from a terminal to launch nautilus, whats the problem?
[23:56] <nacc> rangemonger: random files in your home directory might get owned by root
[23:56] <nacc> which then makes them unusable as your user
[23:56] <rollingubuntu> macc: I can see a file of mine that somehow has a lock on it and can not copy it from A to B
[23:57] <rangemonger> nacc, how would gksudo prevent that?
[23:57] <kenrin> gksudo prevents from changing owner of files that were modified
[23:57] <nacc> rangemonger: gksudo knows about graphical applications, aiui
[23:57] <nacc> and what kenrin said, i guess :)
[23:58] <kenrin> Got that from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical_sudo
[23:58] <nacc> although i think nautilus has gotten a lot smarter about it in general
[23:58] <nacc> e.g. it can ask you to elevate your permissions as necessary
[23:59] <rollingubuntu> macc: thanks
[23:59] <nacc> rollingubuntu: nacc
[23:59] <rangemonger> its the fact that linux generally misses things like that in the gui that is the reason we never have the year of linux :P
[23:59] <nacc> rangemonger: no, it's not, but that's offtopic for here