[00:11] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: I'm going to be bringing-in a number of new packages this cycle, mostly audio plugins. Right now, I have three in the NEW source queue: redkite, artyfx, and add64. If I could get some attention on these, that would be wonderful. :)
[07:10] <ginggs> ubuntu-archive: would someone please remove gnome-chemistry-utils ?  it build-depends on gnome-doc-utils which was already removed, see debian #947529
[08:01] <mwhudson> ginggs: hey https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rgtk2/+bug/1719937 looks familiar
[08:01] <mwhudson> (i'm about to file exactly the same bug... i wonder when the binaries got removed)
[08:01] <mwhudson> s/got removed/reappeared/
[08:04] <ginggs> mwhudson: looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rgtk2/2.20.34-1build1
[08:07] <mwhudson> ginggs: huh
[08:08] <mwhudson> ginggs: i guess if someone retried the currently failing build a million times, it would probably pass eventually
[09:40] <Trevinho> SRU team: please you can get rid of some duplicated uploads of gnome-shell and mutter, as new dot releases / fixes come up after the initial upload, so feel free to remove the oldest ones.
[09:40] <Trevinho> (in focal)
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[14:50] <seb128> bdmurray, could you consider moving the pulseaudio/focal SRU from proposed to update despite the missing risvc64 build? That arch is also missing from the current version if focal-updates (security upload) so that isn't a regression
[15:20] <blackboxsw> RAOF: or bdmurray we have some cloud-init unapproved uploads queued for X, B, E, and F releases for this SRU bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1881018
[15:20] <blackboxsw> if there is time today, it'd be great to get those into -proposed so we can perform verification
[15:21] <bdmurray> seb128: I'll have a look
[15:21] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: okay, noted
[15:21] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[16:17] <blackboxsw> thx bdmurray
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[18:23] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: I'm going to be bringing-in a number of new packages this cycle, mostly audio plugins. Right now, I have three in the NEW source queue: redkite, artyfx, and add64. If I could get some attention on these, that would be wonderful. :)
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[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Also, Ubuntu Studio Focal's live CDs have been FTBFS for over a month now, and I don't know what's causing it. Moreso, it seems to be in the build system. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
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[18:24] <Eickmeyer> The dailies, that is.
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[21:04] <vorlon> Laney, seb128: would you have any idea whether the aa-get-connection-apparmor-security-context.patch patch can be dropped now from dbus?  It was a non-upstreamed method and the comments say it should be dropped once Ubuntu consumers have moved to using the generic GetConnectionCredentials
[21:05] <seb128> vorlon, it should probably, Laney did add a card to our board previous cycle for it, https://trello.com/c/mnooP2Xd/85-remove-getconnectionapparmorsecuritycontext-from-dbus ... sounds like now would be a good time to do that, best if someone can do an archive grep before so we fix potential users
[21:06] <vorlon> seb128: archive grep> I was hoping to avoid that :)
[21:06] <seb128> would be nice if we had a codesearch.ubuntu.com :/
[21:06] <vorlon> indeed
[21:06] <seb128> some people in the security team are set it to do an archive grep iirc
[21:07] <seb128> but sorry, I didn't check so I think it would be best if we could do the archive grepping
[21:07] <vorlon> yeah but I hate making this the security team's problem either
[21:07] <vorlon> otoh it was a security team patch in this case, so... :)
[21:07] <seb128> right, sorry but I don't have a better answer
[21:07] <vorlon> no worries
[21:08] <seb128> vorlon, if you are doing merges and feel like doing the avahi one again, Debian moved to python3 now :)
[21:09] <vorlon> seb128: I just did avahi... :)
[21:09] <seb128> ah, nice, thanks!
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[00:57] <chippanfat> Hey guys :)
[00:58] <ianto> chippanfat: Heya
[00:58] <chippanfat> you alight babes?
[00:58] <ianto> chippanfat: Aye I'm alright like, how's the conversion coming?
[00:59] <chippanfat> uchhh :P
[00:59] <chippanfat> having trouble getting my second moniter working :(
[00:59] <ianto> You using the correct drivers and not the OSS ones?
[01:00] <chippanfat> downloaded the drivers from the gpu card but i have to disable x server
[01:00] <chippanfat> I have to disable x server to be able to install the nvidia drivers and its having non of it :(
[01:00] <chippanfat> given up now, on my ubuntufied laptop :)
[01:00] <chippanfat> gonna install openSUSE on my servers too so i can vm ubuntu 10.04 :)
[01:01] <ianto> chippanfat: Why not use the drivers in the repo instead of the official ones from the website?
[01:02] <chippanfat> I did't think of doing that. I just instantly searched for "450gts drivers, linux"
[01:04] <ianto> chippanfat: use jockey-gtk ;)
[01:05] <chippanfat> ahhh?
[01:06] <ianto> chippanfat: The restricted hardware drivers thing in the admin panel
[01:07] <chippanfat> i'll do research into it tomorow :)
[01:07] <chippanfat> i could never get into ubuntu properly cause of the gui, but i've got it set up nice now :D
[01:07] <chippanfat> got dockey on the bottom and some nice apps like empathy and vlc for my daily stuff :)
[01:07] <chippanfat> getting more into it now :D
[01:08] <chippanfat> makes me smile inside :P
[01:11] <ianto> Fair enough; I've been binge-eating today. Gone through a packet of aero, a shepherd's pie (microwave), Pot Noodle GTi, 2L bottle of coke and an 8 pack of cheese-strings and almost an entire packet of Gold bars :D
[01:11] <ianto> In like 3hrs
[01:11] <chippanfat> fair play son !
[01:11] <chippanfat> eating out of boredom?
[01:14] <ianto> Just a bit hungry like and bore yeah ;)
[01:14] <chippanfat> :D
[01:14] <chippanfat> you familiar with phpmyadmin on ubuntu darling?
[01:15] <ianto> chippanfat: Yeah I've used it a bit
[01:15] <chippanfat> did you ever have a #2002 problem?
[01:15] <chippanfat> says the server isnt responding ? or the local mySQL server socket isnt configured properly?
[01:16] <chippanfat> i'm not sure what to do about sorting out the sockets in ubuntu see or the apps in ubuntu
[01:16] <ianto> Are you using MySQL from the repo and phpmyadmin?
[01:16] <chippanfat> I have researched into it :)
[01:16] <chippanfat> using xampp i am
[01:16] <ianto> Or are you going out of your way again...
[01:16] <chippanfat> wocha mean out of my way? :P
[01:16] <ianto> Downloading .tar.gz's off the net
[01:18] <chippanfat> yeahh :)
[01:18] <chippanfat> then extract to /opt
[01:21] <ianto> aptitude exists for a reason, people spend ages packaging .debs for your convenience :(
[01:23] <chippanfat> I'll delete xampp now and install it through synaptic :)
[01:23] <ianto> chippanfat: Btw use the Ubuntu wiki for MySQL stuff, lots of stuff on there ;)
[01:24] <chippanfat> okiedokie :D i'll have a gander now babes
[01:30] <chippanfat> am i right in looking for all the "mod_php5" bollocks?
[01:35] <ianto> chippanfat: Sorry internets reset, did you get that help.ubuntu.com link?
[01:40] <chippanfat> ianto: sorry bro, my nets pissing about !
[01:40] <chippanfat> ianto: brb a sec, gonna go hunting for a spare rj :)
[01:40] <ianto> chippanfat: Sorry internets reset, did you get that help.ubuntu.com link?
[01:44] <chippanfat> ianto: hopefully thats sorted it out :) and I did't get the link :(
[01:44] <ianto> chippanfat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#To install the default LAMP stack in Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and 10.04 (Lucid Lynx)
[01:45] <chippanfat> I'll see if i can follow that through now :)
[01:48] <chippanfat> whats the tesksel command? :)
[01:48] <chippanfat> i cba to go off looking at that for the time being
[01:48] <ianto> Tasksel is basically a command to help setup a box to do something
[01:49] <ianto> Like a LAMP server or perhaps installing hte Ubuntu Desktop ontop of Ubuntu Server
[01:49] <ianto> Setup a mail-server too
[01:49] <ianto> "tasksel --list" would give you a list of commands
[01:51] <ianto> Well tasks/setups not commands
[01:51] <ianto> I have to go now
[01:51] <ianto> The significant other is stealing me ;'(
[01:51] <chippanfat> ahhh okiedokie :)
[01:51] <chippanfat> cheers for you help son :0
[01:51] <chippanfat> * :)
[01:52] <chippanfat> catch you soon :)
[01:52] <ianto> Bye for now
[01:52] <chippanfat> xoxoxo
[01:52] <ianto> Love you xoxxoxoxox ;)
[03:32] <ianto> chippanfat: Still awake?
[03:33] <chippanfat> yeahh man :)
[03:33] <chippanfat> going well I am :)
[03:33] <chippanfat> got the lamp rack sorted, and made sure it all worked :D
[03:33] <ianto> chippanfat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin
[03:33] <chippanfat> ianto: getting to grips with the old school terminal view of mysql because i cba to fix mysql :p
[03:34] <chippanfat> ianto: im starting to enjoy my ubuntu experience more now :)
[03:34] <ianto> Good, just remember about apt and use the wiki or help.ubuntu.com from time to help
[03:34] <ianto> *time to time
[03:36]  * ianto loves gold bars :D
[03:54] <chippanfat> I will :D
[03:54] <chippanfat> i've been on the prowl for chocolate :D so i polished off some mary land coocies :D
[03:55] <chippanfat> *cookies
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning everyone
[14:22] <brobostigon> afternoonings markie-
[17:14] <markie-> brobostigon Hey, how's things
[17:15] <brobostigon> markie-: crap, how about you?
[17:15] <brobostigon> sorry for mylanguage,
[17:16] <markie-> brobostigon not too bad, what's up
[17:16] <brobostigon> markie-: severe depressionand instability seeping in.
[17:21] <markie-> brobostigon does the depression run in your family?
[17:21] <brobostigon> markie-: partly, yes.
[17:23] <markie-> brobostigon how's the treatment coming along?
[17:24] <brobostigon> markie-: for depression, i dont get anyanymore.
[17:27] <markie-> brobostigon was it not effective?
[17:28] <brobostigon> markie-: that too.
[17:29] <markie-> brobostigon i hate depression
[17:30] <brobostigon> markie-: the thing that makes it work difficullt, is in combination with my personality disorder.
[17:32] <markie-> brobostigon Yea depression is definitely connected to a large variety of disorders
[17:33] <brobostigon> markie-: however the PD, isnt entirly disconnected from it.
[17:33] <brobostigon> is*
[17:35] <markie-> brobostigon what happens when it changes
[17:37] <brobostigon> markie-: its complicated, its probebly simpler you read wikipedia or some other source on personality disorder.
[17:38] <brobostigon> mood swings and major mood changes canbe a part.
[23:29] <brobostigon> nos da everyone.


 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3930.png
 https://i.imgur.com/sPOINxb.png
[19:11] <coolpolygons[m]> Looking good
[19:11] <coolpolygons[m]> Meanwhile participating in code jam so cant even sleep rn ugh
 @tsimonq2, So cool 😍😍. Are you using it as your daily use os?
 @joancipria, I am :)
 @tsimonq2, Not bad! It´s the new Android?
 (Sticker, 512x140) http://vps.tsimonq2.net//file_3932.webp
 😆
 Seriously, looks good!
 Little more than a gig of RAM on idle with QTerminal running an SSH session, Thunderbird, and Telegram.
 Not bad at all!
 ikr :D
 @tsimonq2, But, Simon,  how did you solve the problem of the lack of a wifi connection? When I installed Lubuntu Next 1804 from the daily release, the wifi does not connect ...
 @Jyoti, This is on a desktop computer.
 I need to solve that still.
 ok
 And alas, Lubuntu Next 18.04 will not be released, just kept as a daily ISO.
 days ago, I installed, via the terminal, the PPA and desktop of lubuntu LXQt on Ubuntu 1804 (on a desktop) and wifi worked that way
 Let's see if I can figure it out.


[02:27] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, hey, there is a new version of the lcms library (lcms2) which is parallel installable with the old version (<2).  As far as I can tell there will be no more development on <2 (i.e. it is not a stable branch, but allows you to run your old software and gradually port it).  Question is: Do I make a new source package for lcms2 or just add a new changelog entry in the existing lcms one?
[02:31] <RAOF> I guess the answer would be the same as the answer to the question “are you ever going to need to patch lcms1”?  Is it just an soname bump, or a parallel development tree, etc?
[02:32] <TheMuso> RAOF: Agreed. Also I wonder what Debian is doing.
[02:32] <TheMuso> Yes, squeeze has frozen etc.
[02:34] <robert_ancell> I sent the proposed package to Debian, but I guess they wont be using it if they are frozen
[02:34] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I think the answer is "no, and all packages should migrate to lcms2"
[02:35] <RAOF> Is there an API break?
[02:35] <RAOF> Is the lcms → lcms2 transition just a rebuild?
[02:35] <robert_ancell> RAOF, not sure, but it doesn't matter as you will have to explicitly relink against the new one anyway
[02:36] <robert_ancell> The library has changed from lcms.so to lcms2.so
[02:39] <RAOF> Ah.  So I'd guess there's an API change, and it's not a simple rebuild with a different -l flag.  That sounds more like you want a different source package; liblcms sounds like it'll be hanging around long enough that you could reasonably expect to want an upload.
[02:39] <TheMuso> Are they plugins, or a shared lib? If a lib, then the soname is wrong.
[02:41] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, a lib, what is wrong with the soname?
[02:41] <RAOF> It should probably be liblcms.so.2
[02:42] <TheMuso> afaik sonames should be something like libname.so.nub
[02:42] <TheMuso> s/nub/num
[02:42] <TheMuso> RAOF: yeah
[02:42] <robert_ancell> No, the renamed the source package to lcms2
[02:49] <RAOF> It sounds more like it wants to be a new source package, starting with “initial upload to $DISTRO”.
[02:55] <TheMuso> yep
[06:51] <pitti> Good morning
[06:54] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[06:56] <pitti> hey TheMuso, had a nice weekend?
[06:56] <TheMuso> pitti: Certainly did thanks. Yourself?
[06:56] <pitti> quiet, but nice; thanks
[06:56] <TheMuso> Quiet is good.
[07:34] <didrocks> good morning
[07:35] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:36] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how was your week-end?
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: quiet on Saturday (was raining cats and dogs), so I did some household cleanup; we went hiking yesterday, so very nice; how was your's?
[07:39] <didrocks> pitti: very sunny and nice in the Alps. Went to a traditional restaurant and some walking in the mountains. Just feel a little bit cold sometimes compared to Paris (< 20°C)
[08:15] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hey, I see you are doing a lot of remerge on debian, can you have a look this week-end at gnome-shell? It's currently broken because of new mutter
[08:16] <robert_ancell> didrocks, can do
[08:16] <didrocks> robert_ancell: bug #614359 should give you all the info :)
[08:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614359 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "undefined symbol: mutter_plugin_effect_completed (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614359
[08:16] <didrocks> robert_ancell: thanks!
[08:16] <didrocks> robert_ancell: basically, mutter broke the API without bumping the soname, it affected us at unity, and gnome-shell had the same issue
[08:17] <robert_ancell> didrocks, ok, will look at it tomorrow
[08:17] <didrocks> robert_ancell: great! thanks a bunch!
[08:44] <kiwinote> mvo: hi
[08:44] <mvo> hey kiwinote
[08:44] <kiwinote> mvo: are you still working on the deb-files branch, or are you done making changes?
[08:45] <mvo> kiwinote: I'm not fully done, I can resume now. did you had a chnce to look over the other bits I put in? I think the deb file stuff is done, but the apturl links need a little bit of attention still
[08:47] <kiwinote> mvo: yep, I took a look at what you had changed. There are a few little sidecases which need fixing, but it looks good elsewise.
[08:48] <kiwinote> mvo: if you aren't working on it atm, then i'll fix a few little things first, otherwise I'll wait until you're done and fix them later
[08:48] <mvo> kiwinote: thanks for the review, I can merge them back if you put them into your branch
[08:48] <mvo> kiwinote: then please fix them now, we are not in a rush :)
[08:48] <mvo> eh, I'm not :)
[08:48] <kiwinote> mvo: sure, I'll let you know when they're done ;)
[08:49]  * mvo nods
[08:50] <seb128> hey
[08:50] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ? :)
[08:50] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:50] <pitti> hey seb128, hello mvo
[08:50] <seb128> ouais et toi?
[08:50] <seb128> hey pitti, mvo
[08:51] <seb128> wie gets?
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, merci :)
[08:51] <mvo> hey pitti, seb128
[08:54] <alf__> slomo: Hi! Did you get a chance to take a look at the proposed cairo packaging changes (debian #587771)?
[08:54] <ubot2> Debian bug 587771 in cairo "Package cairo-perf utilities" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/587771
[09:14] <kiwinote> mvo: for error checking/setting of deb files your branch gets the failure_string from python-apt. Do we want that, or do we want to be able to set custom error messages which are more consistent with the rest of s-c like my branch did? (I don't mind which one you want, I just wanted to verify your decision)
[09:16] <seb128> bah, hundredpapercut start being annoying, broken changes get uploaded and people have no consideration for translations
[09:19] <huats> morning
[09:19] <seb128> lut huats
[09:19] <huats> How are you seb128 ?
[09:20] <seb128> I'm fine I think, what about you? ;-)
[09:20] <huats> good too !
[09:21] <huats> last week before 1 week of holidays :D
[09:21] <mvo> kiwinote: I think it would be great to re-use the ones from python-apt to have one a single string that needs to get translated etc. if they are too technical then that is a valid point and we should reconsider. in this case it would be nice to make python-apt return error enums so that we don't have a dupe the check() function from p-apt inside s-c
[09:21] <mvo> kiwinote: I hope we can make the ones in python-apt good enough for showing in s-c without loosing too much technical information
[09:23] <kiwinote> mvo: yes, it is indeed a good point not to duplicate stuff from python-apt. I'll check with mpt how technical or non-technical he wants the error messages to be in s-c.
[09:24] <mvo> thanks kiwinote
[09:24] <mvo> kiwinote: I guess its ok if deb installing is a tad more technical, but I will leave it to mpt to comment
[09:24] <kiwinote> mvo: ok, thanks
[09:28] <mpt> hi kiwinote
[09:28] <kiwinote> mpt: there is a bit above here about the failure strings for installing deb-files in s-c
[09:29] <kiwinote> mpt: the question is whether the failure strings from python-apt can be used or if they are too technical
[09:30] <kiwinote> mpt: the python-apt messages can be found at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/python-apt/debian-sid-mirrored/annotate/head:/apt/debfile.py by searching for '_failure_string'
[09:31] <mpt> kiwinote, well, "Conflicts with a exisiting pkg!" isn't quite up to scratch :-)
[09:32] <mpt> kiwinote, when and where would these be shown?
[09:33] <kiwinote> mpt: they are shown in the summary line of the appdetailsview when someone opens a deb file with s-c when the deb-file can not be installed
[09:37] <kiwinote> mpt: individual strings can be rephrased in python-apt. The main thing is how much detail we want to show in s-c. Eg if the deb-file conflicts with pkgs already installed then python-apt will (and should) display the list of pkgs which it conflicts with. Do we want that much detail in s-c, or does less detail suffice?
[09:37] <mpt> kiwinote, in the summary line? Why wouldn't you be showing the summary of the package there?
[09:39] <kiwinote> mpt: if there is a better place for errors, then please let me know. I had put it there originally because the software can't be installed if there are errors which makes the summary/description/screenshot irrelevant, so atm we only display icon title and summary if there is an error and the rest is hidden
[09:41] <mpt> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:44] <mpt> kiwinote, I suggest putting the error message where the description would be instead.
[09:44] <mpt> And each of those will need tidying up.
[09:44] <kiwinote> mpt: and hiding the pkgstatusbar?
[09:44] <mpt> "This package cannot be installed because _______."
[09:45] <mpt> kiwinote, I don't know what "pkgstatusbar" maps to in the spec. The installed state bar?
[09:46] <kiwinote> mpt: yep, the coloured bar with the install/remove button in it
[09:47] <kiwinote> mpt: we can easily have a red coloured bar there, it just looks a bit odd if there is no text or button to go in it
[09:50] <mpt> Probably leave it there but make "Install" insensitive
[09:50] <mpt> bbiab
[09:50] <seb128> vish, starting changing descriptions over debian seems over the hundredpapercut line, can we stop that?
[09:51] <seb128> we can't start creating delta for such changes
[09:51] <kiwinote> mpt: ok, I'll do that then and see what it looks like
[09:51] <seb128> vish, changing desktop descriptions in universe is also not going to work, can you revert that change?
[09:51] <kiwinote> mpt: thanks
[09:52] <seb128> vish, that breaks every non english locale without a way to translate it
[09:54] <dpm> seb128, I wasn't aware of that. Is that happening in app-install-data, or on the ddtp descriptions?
[09:54] <vish> seb128: which one?
[09:55] <seb128> dpm, what is happening?
[09:56] <seb128> vish, the something-sdl
[09:56] <vish> ah..
[09:56] <seb128> vish, you changed a desktop Comment
[09:56] <seb128> the package being in universe there is no langpack
[09:56] <seb128> you just break all translations by doing that
[09:56] <vish> seb128: the change in the control file is ok? only need to revert the .desktop change?
[09:56] <seb128> we can argue over that
[09:57] <seb128> I think starting to change descriptions in the source this way is wrong
[09:57] <seb128> you are creating delta over debian and a need to merge every change where we were in sync
[09:57] <seb128> we don't have the manpower to start merging packages just for descriptions changes
[09:57] <vish> hmm..
[09:58] <seb128> if we think descriptions are not worded as they should we need an overlay layer
[09:58] <seb128> ie something we can change in launchpad of software-center
[09:58] <kiwinote> mpt: just a quick question: For non existent pkgs you had designed a 'Not Found' screen. Do you want that to stay the same, or do you want to display a coloured bar and then have the error message in the description field there as well?
[09:58] <seb128> we can't start creating diff to improve translations
[09:58] <seb128> ups
[09:58] <seb128> translations -> descriptions
[09:59] <seb128> it's going to cost hundred of work hours every cycle which we don't have
[09:59] <seb128> it's going to lead to outdated packages, conflict with debian, bugs, conflicts with upstream, etc
[09:59] <vish> seb128: the changes have been sent to debian ,and changed in debian too
[09:59] <vish> seb128: some are still waiting in debian for a response
[09:59] <seb128> no they have no been changed in debian
[09:59] <seb128> we have an 0ubuntu1 version now
[09:59] <seb128> which means we will never get debian updates in automatic way again
[10:00] <seb128> it will require somebody to spend time tracking it and merging it every single time debian do a change now
[10:00] <mpt> kiwinote, I think the "Not Found" screen shouldn't have an installed state bar, because it's not a package.
[10:01] <kiwinote> mpt: ok, then i'll change some of the internal code to deal with two different sorts of errors ;)
[10:02] <vish> seb128: ex: debian bug 590238 , this was fixed , some havent even responded like the pidgin one.. what should we do?
[10:02] <ubot2> Debian bug 590238 in xchat-gnome "xchat-gnome: Package description could have information about program use" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/590238
[10:02] <vish> err , fix committed in debian too
[10:03] <seb128> vish, wait for them to upload and sync?
[10:03] <seb128> vish, well for things where we ubuntu changes already it's not so an issue
[10:03] <vish> seb128: pidgin has been waiting for 2yrs! :s
[10:04] <seb128> vish, well as said if we think the descriptions quality is not matching our standard we need to figure a way to sort it which doesn't imply patching every debian source
[10:05] <vish> right ..
[10:06] <vish> mvo: any ideas^ ?
[10:07] <seb128> mvo, mpt: weren't some discussion during the years about fetching descriptions from launchpad or something?
[10:07] <seb128> ie having a way to rewrite the packages descriptions without having to do source changes
[10:07] <mvo> seb128, vish: so ideally we would get "overwrite" support for this from LP
[10:07] <mvo> but its not there yet
[10:07] <mvo> (and maybe some time to come :/)
[10:08] <seb128> I though that was the plan
[10:08] <seb128> but yeah, launchpad changes can take time
[10:08] <mvo> I think for high profile apps like xchat it does make sense to go and patch them even if it means that we have the burden of merging
[10:08] <seb128> right
[10:08] <mvo> I guess a alternative idea would be to (ab)use the Translations-en file
[10:08] <seb128> but seems we start having uploads for random universe games and small packages
[10:09] <mvo> it can be done today but the LP support for finding packages in the huge template is not great
[10:09] <mvo> there is a open spec for imporving that so that the description.pot lives alongside the normal template in LP so that its triviial and find and tranlsate
[10:10] <mvo> that spec is open since ~1y or so (maybe more)
[10:12] <seb128> hum
[10:13] <seb128> brb gdm testing
[10:25] <seb128> re
[10:27] <Laney> vish: for now, for non high-profile packages I suggest you send the fixes to Debian and not seek to diverge in Ubuntu for that
[10:27] <Laney> it's the right place to make these changes anyway
[10:28] <vish> Laney: as i mentioned earlier, fixes are being send to debian
[10:28] <vish> sent*
[10:29] <vish> Laney: is debian in freeze now?
[10:31] <Laney> yes
[10:32] <Laney> I know they are being sent there, but it's not worth an upload in ubuntu for it
[10:32] <Laney> we should get it back through syncs
[10:33] <vish> Laney: yup, sounds sensible.. when maintainers dont respond how should we proceed?
[10:35] <Laney> if they make uploads without responding to your patches then you should raise it again
[10:35] <Laney> if there aren't any uploads then … there's not much you can do
[10:37] <vish> yeah , thats where it gets confusing , whether the maintainer is MIA or just doesnt want to change it..
[10:40] <vish> seb128: what about mvo's idea? [ using translations-en ] how do we do that ? is that acceptable?
[10:42] <seb128> vish, I'm not sure how we do that but as said before as long as you don't create delta over debian which creates extra work for everybody I'm fine with it
[10:43] <seb128> pitti, do you have any opinion on bug #605685?
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605685 in ubuntu "Sync isc-dhcp 4.1.1-P1-9 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605685
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: I didn't test it, so I don't
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: but Mathieu mentioned that he wants the transitional packages removed
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, no, he said that's an option
[10:44] <pitti> also, we have some Ubuntu modifictions to dhcp3 which would need to be ported
[10:44] <pitti> so it would be a merge either way
[10:44] <vish> cool!
[10:45] <seb128> pitti, I'm rather unsure if we should go for the new dhcp this cycle
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: didn't we talk about this the other day? I thought it was required for something in NM
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, right, just reading through the dhcp3 changelog the number of changes we have there is non trivial to port to the new version
[10:48] <seb128> ok, let's try to get the new one without the transitional binaries in and port changes and see where we can get
[10:54] <pitti> seb128: but what's the purpose of that then?
[10:54] <seb128> "that"?
[10:54] <pitti> we certainly don't want a second version in main which we didn't test and apply our changes to?
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, I'm trying to see how we move that forward but seems nobody is actively working on that part of the stack
[10:56] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[10:56] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[10:57] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, had nice holidays?
[10:57] <rickspencer3> pitti, indeed
[10:57] <rickspencer3> felt like much longer than 1 week
[10:57] <rickspencer3> (which I think is a good sign)
[10:57] <seb128> rickspencer3, on east cost time or up really early?
[10:57] <seb128> rickspencer3, ;-)
[10:57] <rickspencer3> seb128, east coast!
[10:58] <rickspencer3> for today and tomorrow
[10:58] <seb128> rickspencer3, so you managed to not work during the week? ;-)
[10:58] <seb128> ok
[10:58] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3 :-)
[10:58] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[11:27] <seb128> didrocks, you can drop your connman workitem for beta it will not be default
[11:27] <didrocks> seb128: sure, doing it now
[11:28] <seb128> thanks
[11:29] <hyperair> hmm? connman won't be default?
[11:29] <hyperair> in that case, will network-manager get indicator support?
[11:30] <didrocks> yw
[11:34] <seb128> no and no
[11:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you happen to know if chromium supports system-wide preferences? like /etc/chromium/config/ or similar?
[11:38] <devildante> hi all :)
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i don't think so, but i'm not entirely sure
[11:39] <pitti> I am grepping the source, but I can't find it
[11:39] <didrocks> pitti: chrisccoulson: they were some initial support added last month. I didn't check again though
[11:42] <pitti> it seems rather weird to patch and rebuild chromium just to change the behavior for a particular mime type
[11:42] <pitti> apparently in ./chrome/common/chrome_paths_*
[12:03] <rickspencer3> d'ooooh
[12:04] <rickspencer3> seb128, it turns out I'm on holiday until Thursday!
[12:04] <rickspencer3> what a dope I am
[12:04]  * TheMuso waves to rickspencer3.
[12:04] <TheMuso> And everyone else.
[12:04] <rickspencer3> hi TheMuso
[12:07] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[12:07] <didrocks> rickspencer3: go back to enjoy your holidays so! ;)
[12:08] <rickspencer3> didrocks, well, I have a few things to do .. but yeah
[12:08] <rickspencer3> I'll limit my time at work, for sure
[12:09] <nigelb> rickspencer3: holidays = you're not at work.  Not that you're at work only for 8 hours unlike the usual 24 x 7 :p
[12:10] <rickspencer3> hehe
[12:10] <rickspencer3> I don't work that much
[12:11] <nigelb> I may be exaggerating but you get the point :D
[12:14] <didrocks> (I think we should face the reality: rickspencer3 misses us ;))
[12:14] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yeah
[12:15] <rickspencer3> plus there are new people!
[12:15] <rickspencer3> I wanted to meet them today
[12:15] <didrocks> :)
[12:19] <kiwinote> mvo: I've pushed mpt's changes of the error position to my branch along with a few small fixes to deb-file handling in general.
[12:20] <mvo> kiwinote: nice, thanks. I will remerge
[12:20] <kiwinote> mvo: I'll take a look at rephrasing some of the python-apt error messages now
[12:21] <seb128> rickspencer3, lol
[12:21] <seb128> rickspencer3, go back to enjoy your holidays then ;-)
[12:21] <rickspencer3> seb128, I am such a dolt
[13:00] <seb128> re
[13:13] <mpt> mvo, hi, software-center won't start for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/475425/
[13:14] <kiwinote> mpt: any comments on http://paste.ubuntu.com/475424/ ?
[13:15] <mpt> kiwinote, not perfect, but a great improvement
[13:16] <mpt> kiwinote, for Breaks/Conflicts, why aren't we offering to simultaneously remove the thing that it breaks or conflicts with?
[13:16] <mvo> mpt: thanks, I have a look
[13:18] <kiwinote> mvo: ^ is that something that python-apt can do, or would that involve using error codes and putting that functionality in s-c itself?
[13:23] <mvo> kiwinote: it does involve code as it requires a user decision
[13:24] <kiwinote> mvo: yeah, I was wondering more if it was within the scope of python-apt, or not really
[13:24] <mpt> kiwinote, don't worry about it then, it's something that (maybe) should be implemented later for Breaks/Conflicts in general, not for .debs in particular
[13:24] <mvo> mpt: s-c should be fixed, but the commit is still in place
[13:24] <mvo> mpt: now its there r996
[13:24] <mvo> mpt: that should have read "still in progress"
[13:25] <mvo> kiwinote: hm, not really
[13:26] <kiwinote> mpt: are the string changes worth pushing, or would you have some time this week to make them perfect?
[13:26] <mvo> kiwinote: I mean, it does not fit that well into python-apt itself, we should make it trivial to support this strategy, but outside of p-apt itself
[13:26] <mpt> mvo, yep, it works, thank you
[13:26] <mvo> mpt: I agree with that, especailly for debs its potentially dangerous to support removing already existing stuff from the archive to essily
[13:26] <mvo> mpt: cheers
[13:28] <mpt> mvo, staging.launchpad.net is up, but I get nothing to purchase. Could this be the problem, or is it unrelated? 'File "./data/update-software-center-agent", line 36, in <module>      from softwarecenter.enums import *      ImportError: No module named softwarecenter.enums'
[13:29] <mvo> mpt: did you do "export PYTHONPATH=." before starting s-c ?
[13:29] <mvo> mpt: there is a issue with the sc.staging.ubuntu.com currently (in addition to this error)
[13:29] <mpt> mvo, I did not
[13:30] <mvo> mpt: please try that
[13:30] <mvo> mpt: I should update the README or add a README.bzr or something like that
[13:31] <mpt> mvo, doing that removes that error
[13:34] <mvo> mpt: great, thanks
[13:38] <TheMuso> y/c
[13:39] <mvo> kiwinote: merged your changes, they look good. unfortunately merging into trunk gives me a bunch of conflicts. could you have a look please ?
[13:40] <kiwinote> mvo: merging mvo/deb-files into trunk?
[13:42] <mvo> kiwinote: yep
[13:42] <mvo> kiwinote: I mean, if you merge trunk into your deb-files branch, you should see the conflicts
[13:43] <kiwinote> mvo: sure, I'll fix them. (all the buy-something stuff landed in trunk after my last merge)
[13:43] <mvo> kiwinote: yeah, a lot of churn (again :/)
[13:43] <mvo> kiwinote: but that is the last big branch that is in the queue
[13:43] <mvo> kiwinote: I mean, that was the last big one
[13:43] <mvo> kiwinote: other than the deb-files one :)
[13:43] <kiwinote> mvo: there were no more apturl changes you wanted to make?
[13:44] <mvo> kiwinote: let me check again, but it should not interfere with fixing the conflicts
[13:45] <kiwinote> mvo: indeed, I'll let you know when I'm done ;)
[13:45] <mvo> kiwinote: many thanks!
[14:02] <cyphermox> seb128, re: isc-dhcp; I agree, I think it would be best to get isc-dhcp without the transitional binaries in asap, then work on the actual switch in maverick+1
[14:03] <seb128> hey cyphermox
[14:03] <cyphermox> hi ;)
[14:03] <seb128> cyphermox, we can still try to switch this cycle I guess but seems porting the changes will be quite some work
[14:04] <cyphermox> yes, and isc-dhcp will require a MIR, and there might be other packages that require fixes, etc... lots of work IMO
[14:08] <cyphermox> seb128, looking at the changes in dhcp3, yes, it will require quite some work :)
[14:09] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, so let's get isc-dhcp in an work on getting it in shape this cycle
[14:10] <cyphermox> seb128, ok, I'll re-work my bzr branch to remove the transitional binaries from the latest version in unstable. Is a sync still the right process for this?
[14:13] <seb128> cyphermox, no, a sync is if there is no change, if you have changes it's a normal upload we need
[14:13] <cyphermox> seb128, I guess what I mean is, should I open a new bug?
[14:13] <seb128> desrt, no
[14:13] <seb128> ups
[14:13] <seb128> desrt, hey
[14:13] <seb128> cyphermox, no
[14:14] <desrt> seb128: hello
[14:14] <seb128> cyphermox, let's use the same one, I've unsubscribed ubuntu-archive now
[14:14] <desrt> what did i screw up now? :)
[14:14] <seb128> desrt, dconf 0.5 doesn't build with gir if libdconf0 is not installed
[14:15] <desrt> are you using --as-needed?
[14:15] <seb128> no
[14:15] <desrt> vuntz reported some issue related to that
[14:15] <desrt> hmm.
[14:15] <seb128> I just think it's not trying to use the source version
[14:15] <desrt> are you using 0.9.3 gobject-introspection?
[14:15] <desrt> or did you reduce the dependency?
[14:16] <seb128> we reduced the dependency
[14:16] <desrt> don't :)
[14:16] <seb128> and dropped the --no-libtool
[14:16] <desrt> that's what broke it
[14:16] <seb128> ok
[14:16] <vuntz> desrt: you broke things again!
[14:16]  * vuntz hugs desrt
[14:16] <desrt> 0.9.3 + --no-libtool is required to add the rpath properly
[14:16] <seb128> I will just drop the gir for now
[14:16] <desrt> otherwise it won't work
[14:16] <desrt> vuntz: :)
[14:16] <seb128> gir is a mess anyway
[14:17] <seb128> and there are ongoing discussion now to not support python2 and gtk2
[14:17] <seb128> but only python3 and gtk3
[14:17] <desrt> good times
[14:21] <desrt> seb128: to be honest, you don't miss much by not having .gir for dconf
[14:21] <seb128> right
[14:21] <desrt> did the new vala get released while i was sleeping? :p
[14:22] <seb128> desrt, btw, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf
[14:22] <seb128> desrt, yes
[14:22] <desrt> if so, you may want to save your time
[14:22] <desrt> i'm going to do 0.5.1 then
[14:22] <seb128> I've uploaded the version without gir for now
[14:22] <seb128> we didn't update vala yet
[14:22] <seb128> and dconf was broken due to the glib update
[14:22] <desrt> those old double frees are old, i think :)
[14:23] <seb128> the other one is with 0.5
[14:23] <desrt> ya
[14:23] <desrt> nice trace :p
[14:23] <seb128> it has not been retraced yet
[14:24] <desrt> if i wait for a while will it improve?
[14:24] <seb128> yes
[14:24] <desrt> nice
[14:24] <desrt> tedg: good morning
[14:24] <tedg> Good morning desrt
[14:24] <seb128> urg
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, have you seen "Corrupt duplicate db:[(u'*** in database main ***\nOn page 1129 at right child: invalid page number 1171',)]" errors before?
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, it's from the amd64 retracer
[14:25] <seb128> hey tedg
[14:25] <tedg> I've not been able to upgrade to Maverick all weekend... something about X dependencies.  Is that known?  (trying again now)
[14:26] <tedg> Morning seb128
[14:26] <seb128> tedg, not know there no
[14:27] <pitti> seb128: I did; I tried to fix it, but apparently it didn't work
[14:27] <pitti> (by dumping and recreating the DB)
[14:27] <tedg> Hmm, yeah.  Still failing.  It's a fight between xserver-xorg-video-nouvea and xorg-video-abi-7.0
[14:28] <seb128> pitti, :-(
[14:33] <desrt> seb128: how do i know when 'retrace' is done?
[14:35] <seb128> desrt, the tag apport-retracing-needed will be dropped
[14:35] <desrt> i guess subscribers get an email?
[14:35] <seb128> yes
[14:35] <desrt> cool
[14:35] <seb128> you will get the stacktrace added by the retracer by email
[14:36] <seb128> "need-amd64-retrace" is the tag
[14:36] <seb128> to be exact ;-)
[14:37] <seb128> desrt, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53329301/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.d-conf_0.5-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:38] <seb128> desrt, is that a bug of yours? ;-)
[14:38] <desrt> looks like you tried to autogen dconf without introspection installed
[14:38] <seb128> why do I need it?
[14:38] <desrt> you need it for autogen
[14:38] <desrt> ./configure is fine without it
[14:38] <seb128> bah
[14:39] <desrt> aclocal needs to be able to find the m4
[14:39] <seb128> stupid thing
[14:39] <seb128> you should ship the macros you need ;-)
[14:39] <desrt> maybe...
[14:39] <desrt> why did you autogen it?
[14:39] <seb128> because we run autoreconf at build time now
[14:40] <desrt> odd.
[14:40] <seb128> why odd?
[14:40] <seb128> that makes easier applying changes to makefile.am or configure.ac when we need to
[14:40] <desrt> right
[14:40] <desrt> i was asking because i thought maybe you did a little bit of that or something
[14:40] <desrt> anyway
[14:40] <pitti> but it underlines the argument against it: "you don't upload what you have tested"
[14:40] <desrt> i'll look into disting the introspection m4 for 0.5.1
[14:40] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[14:41] <desrt> or listen to pitti :)
[14:41] <pitti> well, autoreconf should still work somehow :)
[14:42] <desrt> it would work if you build-depends on (any) version of introspection
[14:42] <seb128> right
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, do you plan to merge dbus on debian btw? if you don't I might have a try to it
[14:52] <pitti> seb128: Keybuk claimed it, so I didn't touch it
[14:52] <seb128> pitti, did he?
[14:53] <seb128> pitti, when I asked him at the sprint he said he had no plan to work on updating dbus
[14:53] <pitti> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html said "Scott claims"
[14:53] <seb128> hum, k
[14:53] <pitti> of course now I can't prove it because it seems to be down :/
[14:53] <pitti> so, go ahead :)
[14:53] <seb128> anyway he will not do it apparently
[14:54] <seb128> ok, I will give it a go
[14:54] <seb128> let's see if I manage to break dbus ;-)
[14:54]  * pitti hugs seb128
[14:54] <seb128> you don't have any special way to maintain it or merge on Debian?
[14:54]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[14:54] <pitti> no, I don't; no revision control or anything
[14:54] <seb128> ok
[15:08] <ronoc> bl8: do you have package ready for maverick with your implementation of mpris2
[15:17] <ronoc> bl8: scratch that - doing the dist-upgrade now
[15:44] <kiwinote> mvo: the branch should now merge cleanly
[16:33] <ara> Hello desktop team!
[16:34] <ara> As you may know, I have started a testing project for the desktop
[16:34] <ara> it would be great if you could join the team and the mailing list and interact with the testers
[16:34] <ara> Information is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DesktopTestingProgram
[16:36] <seb128> hello ara
[16:36] <seb128> ara, how are you?
[16:37] <ara> hey seb128!
[16:37] <ara> seb128, I am doing good, thanks. Starting a cold but, I'll survive
[16:37] <ara> seb128, how are you?
[16:37] <seb128> I'm fine, thanks
[16:38] <seb128> ara, nice to see that testing team being set ;-)
[16:38] <ara> seb128, yes, let's see how it goes
[16:38] <seb128> ara, do you plan to use the list to discuss bugs?
[16:39] <ara> seb128, yes, to discuss anything related to that program
[16:39] <seb128> ok
[16:39] <ara> bugs, but also testcases, or problems that people may face
[16:39] <seb128> I'm not sure I will have lot of time to do testing but I will watch what's going on
[16:39] <ara> questions right now are basic
[16:39] <ara> seb128, of course! I want you to watch and reply to questions if you have time
[16:40] <seb128> I can probably do a bit of that
[16:40] <seb128> if we have several desktopers watching and doing some replies that should be ok
[16:40] <seb128> let's see how it goes ;-)
[16:42] <ara> seb128, thanks!
[16:51] <devildante> ara: this looks neat, I'll be testing this :-)
[16:52] <mvo> kiwinote: nice, thanks
[16:55] <ara> devildante, thanks :)
[16:58] <devildante> ara: np :)
[18:04] <pitti> Good night everyone
[18:04] <devildante> goodbye, pitti :)
[18:04] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[18:08] <Chipaca> mvo: ping
[18:15] <Chipaca> mvo: when you have a minute or thirty we can go over the usc and the ussoc
[18:26] <vish> kenvandine: hi , for Bug #531811  no need for the icon , and just make history more transparent..
[18:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 531811 in adium-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "History shown in Empathy chat window should be different from new messages (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531811
[18:26] <vish> an extra icon just makes it more noisy..
[18:32] <devildante> hi vish :)
[18:33] <vish> err , just read my earlier sentence it was half complete! :s
[18:33] <vish> *we can just make history more transparent
[18:34] <vish> devildante: hey
[18:42] <kpettit> My desktop gets some mini freezing/slowdowns that slows the mouse up and keeps keyboard from typing.
[18:43] <kpettit> It's only for a second or so here and there, but it's happening all the time and very annoying to deal with throughout the day.
[18:43] <kpettit> I have plenty of resources, Xeon processor 4GB ram and 64bit kernel.
[18:43] <kenvandine> vish, ok
[18:44] <kpettit> I monitor system resources and nothing is even approaching max.  I have a Drobo SATA drive attached, it seems to stick/slow as things access it.
[18:44] <kpettit> Any ideas how I can prevent sticking on the desktop like that?
[18:44] <vish> kenvandine: thanks. :)
[18:53] <didrocks> enough for today, have a good night!
[18:53] <mvo> Chipaca: hey, thanks but it will have to wait until tomorrow, I'm about to leave for the evening
[18:54] <mvo> Chipaca: if you want, send me a quick summary mail :) I will read it first thing in the morning
[19:27] <micahg> anyone else have an out of date cache issue on Lucid after the update-manager update today?  says package info last updated 104 days ago
[23:36] <TheMuso> Good morning.


[08:25] <diplo> Morning all
[08:37] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:27] <daftykins> morn \o
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning
[09:34] <daftykins> Landscape has really grown up i find, using the 5 free registrations with servers i manage - very neat
[09:34] <daftykins> just hope it doesn't max load the CPU sometime like it did once in the past :D shame there's not an android app :D
[09:35] <popey> heh, yeah. i used to have it pegging the cpu here too
[09:36] <daftykins> all resolved, or did you stop using it?
[09:41] <popey> yeah, i found myself not actually using it
[09:41] <popey> i have auto-update set on everywhere, so it didnt seem worth it
[09:41] <daftykins> ah
[09:41] <popey> it was super useful when my mum changed isp and her IP address changed though
[09:41] <popey> was able to poke at her machine via landscape where I was no longer able to get in due to her router changing
[09:41] <daftykins> mmm pesky dynamic IP
[09:42] <popey> worse, dynamic hardware :)
[09:42] <daftykins> :D
[09:42] <popey> "here mrs popey, have this router" "ok". me: "AAAARGH!"
[09:42] <JamesTait> Top o' the morning to you all! Happy Friday, and happy St Patrick's Day! 😃 ☘
[09:42] <daftykins> i'm still dealing with this task of trying to work out whether we can get a dumb 'ONT' for fibre services down in Spain for a clients place, even with the help of a Spanish lass i couldn't get much out of Movistar's phone lines
[09:43] <popey> Potato
[09:44] <daftykins> looks like you *might* be able to put their fancy full featured all-in-one into bridge mode, but then you'd have to sit and configure VLAN IDs and i'm not sure if it needs much more o0
[09:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qc3_joy5A
[09:45] <JamesTait> Not Guinness, popey?
[09:45] <popey> not at 09:45
[09:46] <popey> not.. today anyway
[09:46] <daftykins> tsk tsk!
[09:46] <daftykins> popey: i was of the same opinion, although even SSHing into 5 for reboots now is getting a bit tiresome :>
[09:46] <daftykins> much as i love some package management
[09:46] <daftykins> +manual
[11:44] <foobarry> he Chaitin Security Research Lab team also successfully demonstrated a kernel privilege escalation on Ubuntu Desktop that earned them $15,000.
[11:44] <foobarry> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3181289/security/adobe-reader-edge-safari-and-ubuntu-fall-during-first-day-at-pwn2own.html
[15:20] <diddledan> have aliens landed? four military helicopters just flew over in a tight formation!
[15:21] <diddledan> heading south west
[15:21]  * diddledan checks the news
[15:21] <lopta> diddledan: They're responding to reports of an unaccompanied wurzlefonium
[15:22] <davmor2> diddledan: practising for the trump invasion erm I mean visit
[15:22] <diddledan> BBC has no news of Aliens. I think there must be a coverup
[15:23] <diddledan> speaking of aliens - watch "arrival" it's fantastic!
[15:24] <lopta> If I'm *really* lucky I get to watch Barnwood Builders and a gardening program.
[15:41] <lopta> ...and quite a bit of Curious George and Puffin Rock.
[15:47] <davmor2> and that is just your viewing while you wait for the kids to turn up right?
[15:47]  * lopta grins
[16:05]  * lopta starts to think about lunch.
[16:13] <foobarry> if i use a bouncer, how can i get the bouncer to leave a channel?
[16:14] <foobarry> /wc doesn't quit the channel
[16:14] <diddledan> /wc?
[16:14] <foobarry> bouncer keeps my accoutn conencted
[16:15] <foobarry> ah /leave works
[16:15] <diddledan> there's more than one "bouncer" so stating "the bouncer" doesn't help us help you
[16:20] <davmor2> Why do I always think of these two when people say bouncer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGUMQZUgU
[16:25] <diddledan> lol
[19:04] <m0nkey_> lol.. I totally forgot about Hale and Pace
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> the kitten in the microwave...
[19:07] <davmor2> m0nkey_: next you'll be saying you forgot the fast show too
[19:07] <m0nkey_> I remember the Fast Show
[19:07] <m0nkey_> never cared for it though.
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> i have the fast show on dvd... tis wonderful... this week i will be mostly eating...
[19:08] <m0nkey_> I'm now watching Billy & Johnny clips
[19:08] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I'll get me coat
[19:09] <davmor2> m0nkey_: 1...2...drip on my shoe.....3.....4......not anymore
[19:09] <zmoylan-pi> and don't forget trigger happy tv
[19:09] <zmoylan-pi> red fox to grey squirrel, red fox to grey squirrel...
[20:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:03] <diddledan> we've got clerence, clarence, over. roger, roger, what's your vector, victor?
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> ah... the classics...
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> i'll never get over machu pichu...
[21:31] <foobarry> already caught a crash on my dashcam :|
[21:31] <foobarry> haven't even had it a week
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully nobody hurt...
[21:41] <foobarry> it was a bus. empty one
[21:41] <foobarry> somebody drove into the side and drove off
[21:42] <foobarry> it was dark and rainy so no reg plate
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> send the video to bus company, they might be able to identify car from that alone


[22:42] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Pitivi Video Editor Gets a Blockbuster Update @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/pitivi-video-editor-new-release (by Joey Sneddon)


[17:19] <analogue> anyone got a few mins to help out on an upstart problem?
[17:21] <analogue> trying to do something real simple but (start a java program on startup).  works fine with sudo start/stop but doesn't work on boot
[18:39] <bmm> "Desktop & Upstart" sounds promising, but I can't find any documentation. Does this mean that upstart is coming to the user session?
[18:41] <bmm> (I'm looking for an event driven daemon starter for the deskotp)


[02:52] <Hieronymus81> hello, is anybody here?
[03:01] <qwererfrrthyty> https://ufile.io/6znk7
[03:04] <Hieronymus81> i'm having trouble with grub; the menu doesn't work unless i go straight into ubuntu; can't access Windows 10, any ideas what could be going wrong?
[04:20] <qwererfrrthyty> if many not problem
[04:25] <qwererfrrthyty> "if many not problem" it isn't necessary. I have accidentally published.
[04:53] <mk_> Hello, i've installed Ubuntu Mate on my Raspberry Pi 3 today, but i can't use the terminal
[04:53] <mk_> I need the root password
[04:53] <mk_> It keeps asking me for one
[04:53] <mk_> ''[sudo] password for *user''
[04:54] <mk_> Can someone help me to fix this?
[05:30] <alkisg> mk_: there's no root password, that's the user password it asks for
[08:32] <vnicent_cassel> Hi #ubuntu-mate.
[08:32] <vnicent_cassel> I want to install a new machine and I don't want to reinstall in 10 days. If I install beta2 of Bionic do I need to do something once it enters stable phase? Something like "apt --install-new-packages". Thkx.
[08:36] <alkisg> vnicent_cassel: normal updates will get you to the same state as a final installation
[08:36] <alkisg> You can do normal updates from the UI or with apt full-upgrade
[08:44] <vnicent_cassel> alkisg: All right. Solved my doubt. Thank you!
[08:45] <alkisg> np
[15:03] <arm1e> can anyone tell me why the notification applet in the panel ignores the panel colour/transparency in most themes?
[15:06] <mate|32563> Hello, How can I use expose style windows preivew/ switching?
[15:43] <TacoGS> Anyone else have an issue where software updater says your connection has failed and when you hit OK it works anyways?
[16:08] <pavlos> using caja to show Network neighborhood ... is blank
[16:11] <tacogs_> Do you know if the detection is enabled on the other systems or netbios ports are blocked or not?
[16:13] <pavlos> all other computers (mix of win, 16.04) see all computers and shares. ufw if off
[16:14] <pavlos> I can issue a smb://computer/share and that works
[16:14] <pavlos> in caja
[16:15] <tacogs_> I am not sure if my network has it enabled to try.
[16:16] <pavlos> this is on 18.04b2, I edited WORKGROUP in smb.conf and started smbd and nmbd ... that's it.
[18:56] <TechChristoph> hi
[20:01] <tenacious> hi
[20:46] <arm1e> can anyone tell me why the notification applet in the panel ignores the panel colour/transparency in most themes?
[20:46] <arm1e> please
[22:20] <mate|74065> hello cant find airplane mode on ubuntu-mate
[22:35] <lapaga> Is it possible to install gnome-boxes in 18.04? So far what I have tried crashes before it opens
[22:39] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't know if there is a "airplane mode" for mate.
[22:40] <sixwheeledbeast> if you run from a terminal does it show why it crashes?
[22:40] <lapaga> I have not yet
[22:41] <lapaga> What is airplane mode?