[00:27] <ToyKeeper> cwayne-afk: No, I didn't do spanish.
[00:58] <alex-abreu> trainguards can I have a silo for L64
[00:59] <robru> alex-abreu: silo 8. good timing, I gotta run out the door in a sec!
[00:59] <alex-abreu> robru, hehe, thx Robert
[00:59] <robru> alex-abreu: you're welcome Alex! ;-)
[01:01] <robru> alright I'm out for dinner but will be back in a couple hours if anybody needs anything
[04:55] <Mirv> morning
[07:01] <Mirv> archive admin would be still needed to preNEW review/accept indicator-network-tools at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-006/+packages , and core-dev but still be needed to ack compiz multi-arch changes https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-012-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_compiz_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>+15.04.20141210.2-0ubuntu1.diff
[08:28] <pstolowski> trainguards good morning! is it still possible to add one important fix to one my existing rtm silo (that I tested yesterday?)
[08:34] <Mirv> pstolowski: my latest info was that it needed to be end of yesterday in the silo, so no. sil2100 should be around soon so we can recheck.
[08:34] <sil2100> o/
[08:34] <sil2100> What's up?
[08:34] <Mirv> oh, there he is :)
[08:35] <Mirv> sil2100: < pstolowski> trainguards good morning! is it still possible to add one important fix to one my existing rtm silo (that I tested yesterday?)
[08:35] <sil2100> pstolowski: how important is this fix and to which silo you want to add it?
[08:38] <jibel> pstolowski, what is the fix? you had 3 weeks to land it, it is a bit late to do it this morning and  we already have plenty of silos to test because people waited the last minute to upload fixes
[08:41] <pstolowski> Mirv, sil2100 jibel I understand your concern. currently discussing how important it is
[08:42] <jibel> pstolowski, okay, if it was critical there would be no discussion ;) let us know what the status is ASAP. If it has to be in the image, we'll have to test it this morning.
[08:44] <pstolowski> jibel, ok, we just discussed it. it's not critical enough. so skip it for now. thanks
[08:44] <pstolowski> Mirv, sil2100 ^
[08:44] <jibel> pstolowski, thanks
[08:56] <sil2100> jibel: did bfiller fix the gallery-app silo?
[09:01] <sil2100> pstolowski: ok, thanks
[09:12] <jibel> sil2100, apparently yes. I verifying it.
[09:12] <jibel> +'m
[09:16] <oSoMoN> trainguards: good morning, can I have a silo for line 65 ?
[09:16] <sil2100> o/
[09:17] <mzanetti> sil2100: hey
[09:17] <sil2100> mzanetti: hey
[09:17] <mzanetti> sil2100: think it's still possible to get a silo for row 61?
[09:18] <sil2100> mzanetti: for this milestone it's a little bit too late, but we might assign the silo for you to do the testing in a few moments
[09:19] <mzanetti> ah, ok, cool, thanks
[09:19] <sil2100> But QA is already too busy for another silo to enter, that's why the deadline was tomorrow EOD :)
[09:20] <jibel> sil2100, gallery-app is ok
[09:20] <mzanetti> you mean yesterday, right?
[09:20] <sil2100> Yeah... right ;)
[09:20] <sil2100> mzanetti: still didn't get my coffee/tea today
[09:20] <sil2100> jibel: \o/
[09:21]  * mzanetti is currently on that
[09:22] <sil2100> Mirv: publishing silo 006 - will you be able to build a click after it gets merged and cleaned?
[09:23] <Mirv> sil2100: probably so, yes
[09:25] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[09:26] <sil2100> Do you know who can publish it for us to the store at this TZ? Since popey is on holidays
[09:28] <popey> sil2100: what's that?
[09:28] <Mirv> sil2100: I can upload, not sure who all can approve it
[09:28] <sil2100> ...oh ;)
[09:28] <popey> gallery app? dholbach can approve if Mirv uploads
[09:28] <Mirv> popey: not at the moment, maybe in 1-2h, a new gallery-app :)
[09:28] <popey> kk
[09:28] <Mirv> ah, dholbach, great!
[09:28] <sil2100> popey: thanks :)
[09:28] <popey> np
[09:28] <sil2100> Yaaay
[09:28] <Mirv> popey: go back to where you came from! :)
[09:28]  * popey goes back to where he came from
[09:29] <sil2100> heh, sound's like a new Hobbit sub-title
[09:29] <Mirv> (probably sitting on computer, browsing Ubuntu stuff)
[09:29] <sil2100> Hobbit: Back to where you came from
[09:29] <Mirv> my engrish good
[10:01] <Mirv> sil2100: this looks correct if a bit scary: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/138/console
[10:02] <Mirv> sil2100: it first for unknown reason branches the real trunk. then it checks out the given rtm trunk to "trunk_dir", and later on it can be seen that it starts the compilation also in "trunk_dir" and apparently does not use the vivid trunk for anything
[10:03] <cjwatson> Mirv: indicator-network-tools looks fine to this ubuntu-archive member
[10:03] <Mirv> thanks cjwatson!
[10:10] <Mirv> sil2100: can you join #ubuntu-app-devel?
[10:11] <Mirv> doh, jibel is not there either, I'll use #ubuntu-touch instead
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, can I push a vivid device tarball now?
[10:15] <jibel> sil2100, silo 011 must land today?
[10:15] <jibel> bug 1399769
[10:24] <sil2100> jibel: not sure, as it's a barajas bug
[10:32] <jibel> sil2100, anyway it'll need 10 first and a rebuild
[10:32] <jibel> not enough time
[10:32] <sil2100> Yeah...
[10:51] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can silo 14 be published, please?
[10:51] <Mirv> oSoMoN: sure
[10:52] <oSoMoN> cheers
[11:20] <bzoltan_> Mirv: the silo3 is finally OK. I have captured two regressions and both were addressed quickly.
[11:21] <Mirv> bzoltan_: a good Christmas present to vivid users!
[11:21] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  that was the plan :D
[11:24] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, gentle re-request: is it ok for me to push a device tarball for vivid (ie are there no planned builds imminent)?
[11:26] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hey! Give me a quick moment to check
[11:26] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, thanks
[11:27] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ok, seems like you can push freely - go for it ;)
[11:27] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, great
[11:28] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pushed. thank you!
[11:45] <sil2100> Mirv: address-book-app is also a click package now, right?
[11:45] <sil2100> Mirv: hmmmm
[11:46] <sil2100> Mirv: I pressed publish on this silo, but maybe we need the framework changed there too?
[11:46] <sil2100> ;/
[11:46] <Ursinha> good morning
[11:46] <sil2100> Morning
[11:46] <sil2100> Phew
[11:46] <sil2100> Ok, let me check this first then
[11:47] <sil2100> huh, no, it's not a click it seems
[11:58] <Mirv> sil2100: no, address-book-app is just .deb
[11:58] <Mirv> ...like you then said
[12:01] <jibel> sil2100, silo 11 would need a rebuild right?
[12:03] <sil2100> jibel: yes, but only if silo 10 lands
[12:03] <jibel> rvr, ^ what is the status of silo 10?
[12:04] <rvr> jibel: I am not able to reproduce the original issue, but it works
[12:04] <rvr> I wanted some feedback from bfiller
[12:26] <rvr> jibel: sil2100: A new "Manage Scopes" screen has landed in today's images, but it's not translated :P
[12:26] <sil2100> geh ;p
[12:50] <Elleo> cihelp: would someone mind triggering jenkins on this community MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~danielholm/ubuntu-keyboard/ubuntu-keyboard/+merge/242580
[13:00] <Mirv> oSoMoN: oh right, thanks for über fast landing of the webbrowser-app 5.4.0 fix :)
[13:04] <sil2100> jibel: will we try to get anything else in after silo 10?
[13:04] <sil2100> (and the custom tarball)
[13:04] <jibel> sil2100, how long woultd it take to rebuild 11?
[13:05] <jibel> sil2100, it is the only critical left
[13:05] <sil2100> It should be quick, considering that 10 would land soon ;)
[13:06] <jibel> rvr, what info do you need from bfiller ?
[13:06] <jibel> wrt to silo 10
[13:06] <jibel> -to
[13:07] <rvr> jibel: I am not able to reproduce the original problem. Mute works ok in merged calls, both with and without the silo.
[13:09] <cwayne> rvr: so are we good re: custom tar?
[13:09] <rvr> cwayne: Yes, fitbit, facebook and instagram rock
[13:09] <cwayne> sil2100: so I got +1's now from rvr and ToyKeeper, am I goot to push the magic buttons?
[13:10] <jibel> rvr, sil2100 is it me or the changelog in silo 10 doesn't have anything to do with the bug?
[13:10] <jibel> bug 1398431
[13:10] <rvr> +  * Only set voicemail is the phone number is not empty. (LP: #1398431)
[13:10] <jibel> how is it related to multiparty calls?
[13:15] <rvr> jibel: PulseAudio log changes with the silo, so apparently it does something.
[13:16] <jibel> rvr, sil2100 also how a silo can be marked ready for QA sign-off if the testing done by the lander failed?
[13:16] <rvr> jibel: o_O
[13:17] <jibel> rvr, last comment from Bill
[13:18] <jibel> there is something fishy here
[13:18] <rvr> Yes (#<180> <krillin> <bfiller>)
[13:19] <sil2100> jibel: what the heck?
[13:19] <sil2100> cwayne: yes, please press teh button ;)
[13:20] <jibel> rvr, here is the fix in this silo
[13:20] <jibel> 8 - if (mAccount) {
[13:20] <jibel> 9 + if (mAccount && !mAccount->voicemailNumber().isEmpty()) {
[13:20] <jibel> how does it fix conf calls?
[13:20] <cwayne> sil2100: pressed :D
[13:20] <rvr> jibel: Yeah, I took a look.
[13:21] <rvr> It's a oneliner
[13:21]  * sil2100 doesn't know the code so cannot say
[13:21] <rvr> tail -f .cache/upstart/dbus.log | grep Pulse
[13:21] <rvr> No silo
[13:21] <rvr> Setting PulseAudio source 'source.primary' muted '0'
[13:21] <rvr> Setting PulseAudio source 'source.primary' muted '1'
[13:21] <rvr> Silo
[13:21] <rvr> Setting PulseAudio source 'source.primary' muted '1'
[13:21] <jibel> this fix has been push on the 12th, Bill comments on the 15th that it is not fixes, and on build 180 it is magically fixed and ready for QA
[13:23] <sil2100> Maybe it was depending on some other silo to land first?
[13:23] <rvr> jibel: Was pushed to vivid
[13:24] <sil2100> Would be best if we had Bill here
[13:24] <rvr> jibel: Still happening on rtm, that's what I understand
[13:24] <jibel> sil2100, yeah, it really needs an explanation. Can we land 11 instead?
[13:25] <jibel> sil2100, and it doesn't change that the fix has nothing to do with the bug
[13:25] <sil2100> hmm, jibel I suppose Bill should be on in about 30 minutes
[13:25] <rvr> cwayne
[13:26] <jibel> k
[13:26] <rvr> cwayne: sil2100: What's the difference between custom.es and proposed?
[13:26] <sil2100> Normally I would say let's land silo 11, but 10 has a critical in it
[13:26] <cwayne> rvr: same rootfs, just different custom tarball
[13:26] <rvr> cwayne: sil2100: I just flashed 181 and I don't see the thumbnail problem
[13:26] <cwayne> the difference between the custom tar's is *very* small
[13:27] <cwayne> rvr: it sounds like an intermittent issue then, nothing on the custom tar should affect that
[13:29] <rvr> cwayne: On the custom image the issue is consistent. Flash -> Camera -> No thumbnail.
[13:29] <rvr> cwayne: I am not blaming anyone, just trying to know what's going on.
[13:30] <cwayne> rvr: oh i know
[13:30] <cwayne> i just really can't fathom anything in custom causing it, especially since the only thing that *could* (photos-local) hasn't changed
[13:31] <rvr> cwayne: It's not a problem with the scope, gallery and photo roll don't show up the thumbnail either
[13:31] <cwayne> rvr: yeah, so that points even more to not custom, it just seems odd that it'd show up consistently there then
[13:31] <cwayne> rvr: im flashing now to investigate
[13:40] <sil2100> rvr: so, regarding silo 10, besides the questions we have it's all ok, right?
[13:41] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  do you know what the hack is that?  autopkgtest for unity-scope-click 0.1.1+15.04.20141212.1-0ubuntu1: Regression (Jenkins: public, private)
[13:45] <Mirv> bzoltan_: sadly yes I know. not your cause.
[13:45] <Mirv> sil2100: would you have time for vivid?
[13:45] <sil2100> Mirv: what's up?
[13:45] <Mirv> sil2100: long story, but http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Vivid/view/AutoPkgTest/job/vivid-adt-unity-scope-click/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/consoleText
[13:45] <Mirv> sil2100: plus the history at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/+bug/1400275 . so no, the latest try did not fix the problem.
[13:46] <Mirv> sil2100: so we can choose from a) SDK broken (bzoltan not happy), b) autopkgtests broken (a lot of people not happy), c) oxide extra codecs package installed on desktop (chriscoulson not happy), but we still don't know of the option d) fix everything. which of a-c would be preferred?
[13:46] <Mirv> we are currently again at b)
[13:47] <Mirv> if we revert the last landing, we can go back to c
[13:47] <Mirv> if we revert to the start situation, we get to a
[13:49] <bzoltan_> Mirv: I would not break the SDK few days prior the Chinese classes :)
[13:50] <Mirv> bzoltan_: yes I wouldn't break SDK. the only thing that speaks for it is that fixing SDK caused the original regression.
[13:50] <Mirv> sadly for Oxide people I feel c) is still the smallest problem, at least during development series
[13:51] <sil2100> hmmm
[13:51] <bzoltan_> Mirv: strictly speaking it was not the SDK what needed the fix, but the Oxide packaging .. in order to make it multiarch  installable
[13:52] <Mirv> bzoltan_: I know, I know. so yes, fixing Oxide caused the regression.
[13:52] <Mirv> and at the end the real problem might be apt...
[13:53] <bzoltan_> Mirv: we were thinking hard with mvo and chrisccoulson together about the best possible fix. We had like three options and still this one was the most acceptable ... damn it
[13:59] <rvr> sil2100: Right, besides the questions, silo 10 looks ok
[14:08] <vila> Elleo: you should be able to do so once you approve the MP no ?
[14:11] <Elleo> vila: our current process requires jenkins to have run sucessfully before an MP is approved
[14:12] <sil2100> Damn, where's Bill...
[14:14] <vila> Elleo: you should still be able to trigger a -ci job manually
[14:14] <Elleo> vila: how do I go about that?
[14:14] <vila> Elleo: can you get to http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/ubuntu-keyboard-ci/build?delay=0sec
[14:15] <Elleo> vila: nope, presumably I need some sort of VPN setup?
[14:15] <vila> Elleo: yup, let me find the wiki page
[14:15] <Elleo> thanks
[14:21] <bfiller> rvr, jibel : what's up regarding silo 10? you have some questions?
[14:21] <sil2100> bfiller: yeah, we're asking Tiago now
[14:25] <jibel> bfiller, it's okay, the changelog is confusing and the test case doesn't say that you  can only reproduce when the sim card doesn't provide a voicemail number.
[14:26] <bfiller> jibel: ack
[14:27] <sil2100> Is it good to publish then?
[14:27] <bfiller> sil2100, Mirv: looks like the gallery silo was released and rtm is up-to-date. I was going to build a click from the rtm trunk and push to store.  Wasn't sure how to handle the version numbers
[14:27] <sil2100> bfiller: ok, so another problem we had... we cannot get gallery uploaded ;/
[14:28] <bfiller> sil2100: ha
[14:28] <bfiller> just asking about that
[14:28] <sil2100> bfiller: there were 2 problems we saw with the upload:
[14:28] <sil2100> 1) The framework was outdated and revisions wrong
[14:28] <sil2100> 2) Even after Mirv fixed those up, it seems gallery-app regressed when using the correct framework ;/
[14:28] <sil2100> jibel has more details
[14:29] <bfiller> sil2100: hmn, we didn't change the framework, should match what's existing in the store
[14:29] <jibel> bfiller, with the new framework, the gallery app crashes when the QML cache is empty
[14:29] <sil2100> bfiller: Mirv built a click from here https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/rtm-14.09-new and it seemed to have issues
[14:29] <sil2100> bfiller: there was an announement that the -dev frameworks no longer work for new uploads
[14:29] <sil2100> On the ML
[14:29] <bfiller> jibel: why do we need to update the framework
[14:30] <bfiller> should use whatever was in rtm
[14:30] <jibel> Mirv, ^
[14:30] <bfiller> sil2100: that is the wrong branch
[14:30] <jibel> bfiller, I think because -dev frameworks are deprecated
[14:30] <sil2100> bfiller: it's a branch that Mirv prepared so that the versioning is ok
[14:30] <jibel> but Mirv would know the details
[14:31] <sil2100> bfiller: it has the exact changes from your -rtm branch but the revisions are correct, as otherwise we wouldn't be able to release as the store has version 1101 and the rtm branch generated version 109something
[14:31] <bfiller> jibel: let me check on the framework. I'd be in favor of not changing what was currently in rtm
[14:31] <bfiller> that is a big change that these bug fixes don't address
[14:31] <bfiller> can handle that one after
[14:32] <sil2100> bfiller: I'm not knowledgable about clicks, but I know dholbach rejected it
[14:32] <sil2100> Not sure if you can put new things in the store with the old framework at all now
[14:32] <bfiller> hmn
[14:32] <bfiller> ok
[14:32] <bfiller> let me check it
[14:32] <sil2100> Mirv would know the details as it was he who wanted to upload (I have no permissions there)
[14:33] <sil2100> Anyway, we had to do 2 things to get it to a publishable state:
[14:33] <sil2100> 1) Mirv rebased your rtm changes to get the click version generated to be higher than the one in the store (as it seems the RTM version was outdated in comparison to what was in the store version-wise)
[14:34] <sil2100> 2) Changed the framework
[14:35] <bfiller> sil2100: ok, Mirv are we sure your branch has the exact same stuf as lp:gallery-app/rtm-14.09 branch and just the framework change?
[14:35] <sil2100> And since the diff between your rtm branch and the rtm-new branch from Mirv is *only* the framework change, it still seems it regressed and crashes
[14:35] <bfiller> sil2100: got it, let me investigate the crash
[14:36] <sil2100> bfiller: yes, I even tested it as per Mirv's recommendation - if you take both branches, remove the .bzr dir and do diff -urN between them, you only get this framework change
[14:36] <sil2100> So it's the only diff
[14:36] <sil2100> jibel has more info ;)
[14:36] <sil2100> Too bad Mirv is not here right now
[14:36] <bfiller> sil2100: how did Mirv build the click? I usually use http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/
[14:36] <bfiller> sil2100: and where is the click that I can test?
[14:37] <sil2100> Let me try finding the link
[14:37] <sil2100> http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>3_armhf.click
[14:37] <sil2100> So this is what Timo gave us
[14:38] <bfiller> sil2100: ok, I"m going to try rebuilding it using http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/ as that is what I was told is the proper link to build clicks for the store, maybe there will be some difference
[14:38] <bfiller> sil2100: I will rebuild Mirv's branch and retest
[14:38] <sil2100> bfiller: oh :)
[14:49] <sil2100> jibel: so I would say like this - let's see if we can still get gallery-app uploaded and approved
[14:49] <sil2100> After that we kick a new image
[14:50] <bfiller> sil2100, jibel: what's the status of silo 11 and 16? I know davmor2 tested silo 11 yesterday. I think they both need to be rebuilt after silo 10 lands
[14:51] <bfiller> sergiusens, fginther: trying to build a click to upload to the store. Is there a difference between using http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/ and http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/ in terms of build env and frameworks, etc?
[14:52] <Mirv> bfiller: ok. it looked like the environemnt would be the same between the two, but probably the other one would be useful to remove if not needed
[14:52] <Mirv> sil2100: did you have opinion on what to do about that oxide? the current b) option means ~nothing migrates to vivid-release
[14:52] <bfiller> Mirv: yeah not sure,  just asking. I always use the gallery-app-click link
[14:53] <sil2100> Mirv: how much chrisccoulson would be sad if we choose c) ?
[14:54] <Mirv> sil2100: judging from the bug filed he'd be Critically sad :) but I don't know the size of the problem of having the oxide extra codecs on the desktop for a while
[14:54] <fginther> bfiller, the only difference is that gallery-app-click-from-branch sets BZR_SOURCE=$target_branch
[14:55] <fginther> bfiller, in the other job it's undefined
[14:55] <Mirv> sil2100: other than that the reason for making those two packages was to not have it on desktop
[14:55] <sil2100> The worst thing is that we don't have a real fix for that - but that seems like the best workaround we can have
[14:55] <sil2100> IMO
[14:55] <sil2100> But I'm not a core-dev, we would probably need someone like infinity comment here
[14:57] <sil2100> bfiller: how's the gallery check looking? Since we'd need the image kicked off soon, since it's evening is nearing
[14:57] <sil2100> (UTC)
[14:57] <bfiller> sil2100: it's building still and I just reflashed
[14:58] <bfiller> sil2100: just finished
[14:58] <sil2100> jibel, brendand: let's skip todays LT meeting as well not to waste time, we should have an image by that time
[14:59] <brendand> sil2100, sure
[15:00] <bfiller> sil2100, jibel: here a new click to try, I'm trying now http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/187/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>3_armhf.click
[15:01] <sergiusens> bfiller: for store, use http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/ if possible, or make sure you choose the correct branch in from branch in order for ci not to fail later
[15:01] <sil2100> jibel: will you have a moment to try this click above? Maybe it will work better because it's built from a different job?
[15:04] <bfiller> sergiusens: thanks
[15:04] <jibel> sil2100, okay, i'll give it a try then we really need an image
[15:05] <sil2100> I know, this is the last thing I want to try
[15:05] <bfiller> jibel: I'm trying now, how to reproduce crash? seems fine to me even without a qml cache
[15:05] <bfiller> no crashing
[15:06] <jibel> bfiller, remove the QML cache of the gallery app, take a photo, go to the photo scope, open the photo.
[15:06] <jibel> bfiller, it opens the gallery app which crashes
[15:07] <bfiller> jibel: ok, will try
[15:07] <sil2100> jibel: with the new click as well?
[15:07] <jibel> sil2100, no, I haven't try the new build yet
[15:07] <sil2100> Ok, phew, so there's still hope
[15:10] <jibel> bfiller, when happens there is an apparmor denial on ~/.cache/QML/Apps/
[15:10] <jibel> +it
[15:10] <bfiller> jibel: that is working fine for me
[15:10] <sil2100> jibel: it might have been due to the click package build env being different
[15:10] <jibel> bfiller, with the build above or Mirv's build?
[15:10] <bfiller> jibel: with my build
[15:10] <sil2100> Build above I suppose
[15:10] <bfiller> jibel: on the latest image 182
[15:10] <jibel> bfiller, good, I'm trying it now
[15:11] <bfiller> let me keep trying
[15:11] <bfiller> seems Photos scope is gone
[15:11] <bfiller> only My Photos
[15:11] <bfiller> nm found it
[15:12] <cwayne> bfiller: dont scare me like that :)
[15:12] <bfiller> cwayne: can't deal with Photos and My Phots
[15:12] <bfiller> should just have one :)
[15:13] <cwayne> well, ones an aggregator though
[15:13] <cwayne> but yeah its unnecessarily confusing
[15:14] <jibel> bfiller, opening the gallery app from the scope works fine, but then it crashes when I switch between photos
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> sil2100, if you choose c), you need to talk to the legal team
[15:14] <bfiller> jibel: switching between photos on the gallery app or in the scope?
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> I'm pretty sure that shipping H264 on the default desktop ISO would restrict how the image could be distributed and used
[15:14] <jibel> bfiller, in the gallery app
[15:15] <sil2100> chrisccoulson: ok, that's bad then, nvm this solution ;)
[15:15] <jibel> bfiller, tap a photo, then move to next photo with a right swipe
[15:15] <jibel> bfiller, let me try 1101 again with this test
[15:16] <jibel> bfiller, there is this error in the log, not sure it's related: gallery-app: /build/buildd/thumbnailer-1.3+15.04.20141106~rtm/src/imagescaler.cpp:101: bool ImageScaler::scale(const string&, const string&, ThumbnailSize, const string&, const string&) const: Assertion `ifilename[0] == '/'' failed.
[15:18] <bfiller> jibel: ok, just tried it a bunch of times and not crashing for me. That error is interesting. A new thumbnailer has just been released last night could be an issue with that or a mismatch. try again wiht build 182 and the click I sent. seems to be ok for me
[15:18] <jibel> bfiller, yeah, I retrying this case with 1101, the crashes when the apps opens and this one could be different
[15:20] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: sil2100: ok, I adjusted the new silo 007 description as "Do not land", and explaining the options. so currently we're stuck at not much being able to land to vivid at all, as long as there is no solution to the installation of packages in autopkgtest:s.
[15:20] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  sorry to bug about this, but is there a way to push that UITK out? regardless of anything I do not think that this UITK release has anything to do with the real problem
[15:20] <sil2100> grrr
[15:20] <Mirv> bzoltan_: currently no-one has an offering that would make it possible :(
[15:20] <Mirv> we've three options and all of them are bad
[15:20] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  I see
[15:20] <sil2100> ;_;
[15:21] <Mirv> but of course what we really need is that fourth option...
[15:21] <bzoltan_> Mirv: break the SDK --- land stuff --- unbreak the sdk :)
[15:22] <Mirv> that would be possible although as crazy as any of these. or override autopkgtests...
[15:23] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: do you have any new ideas regarding solving the problem?
[15:23] <bzoltan_> Mirv: That one I would particularly enjoy
[15:24] <sil2100> jibel: so, how's the situation looking on 1101?
[15:24]  * sil2100 itches for a new image
[15:24] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  I am not an expert (read: I am an ignorant idiot) but did the autopkgtests actually captured any real problem in the last years?
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> a 4th option is: 1) Introduce a virtual codec package by having the existing packages Provide it, 2) Move the files in each existing package to non-conflicting locations, 3) Remove the Conflicts, 4) Register libffmpegsumo.so with the alternatives system
[15:25] <jibel> sil2100, no crash, but cannot reproduce the crash on 1113 anymore, give me 5 more minutes
[15:26] <sil2100> jibel: ok, great news then
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> The desktop image would need to seed the desired (free) package then
[15:26] <jibel> sil2100, there is already a crash in /var/crash that might explain why the system doesn't hang
[15:26] <bfiller> sil2100: this isnt' the final, final image right? we still need silo 11 landed which fixes a crit
[15:26] <sil2100> bfiller: this fix won't make it in time sadly
[15:26] <bfiller> I'm rebuilding it now as silo 10 just landed
[15:27] <sil2100> bfiller: we're already late with getting the image built, sadly not all crits will be in ;/
[15:27] <bfiller> sil2100: it's only wednesday :)
[15:27] <bfiller> sil2100: QA tested that one yesterday
[15:27] <bfiller> not sure why it wasn't signed off
[15:27] <sil2100> bfiller: yes, and next week are holidays, we need to have a safety net to make sure by Friday we have something promotable
[15:28] <sil2100> bfiller: oh, it was?
[15:28] <bfiller> sil2100: davmor2 tested it
[15:28] <sil2100> jibel: ^? Do you know anything about it? Not sure what's the process, maybe after the rebuild we'd still make it in? Or not?
[15:31] <jibel> sil2100, davmor2 said at 22:10 "Developer added another fix which solved the issue for me however I didn't really have enough time to do a complete run on it."
[15:31] <sil2100> I'm a bit worried about the time though...
[15:31] <jibel> sil2100, and for the product team "if a fix puts the promotion at risk then we'll continue w/o fix"
[15:31] <jibel> from
[15:32] <sil2100> Right, olli's comment
[15:32] <sil2100> Just thought it was fully tested yesterday
[15:33] <alex-abreu> sil2100, can you retrigger the publish of silo 8, pls?
[15:35] <jibel> sil2100, bfiller I cannot reproduce the crash when switching between photos. the assertion is still displayed in the logs. So it might be something that already existed in previous build.
[15:35] <jibel> sil2100, bfiller the crash when the gallery is launched from the scope is gone.
[15:37] <jibel> sil2100, I think you can publish the gallery app and build an image
[15:37] <bfiller> jibel, sil2100: I will upload to the store now
[15:38] <jibel> bfiller, thanks
[15:38] <sil2100> bfiller: thanks! You have someone to approve it? :)
[15:39] <sil2100> I think dholbach should be still around
[15:41] <dobey> cihelp: where can i see the commands run for the autopilot tests being run for the MPs on my branches?
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100, jibel : uploaded <IP_ADDRESS>3 to the store, needs someone to approve
[15:44] <sil2100> bfiller: approved! Thanks :)
[15:44] <bfiller> sil2100: awesome
[15:45] <bfiller> Mirv: what's the best way to make your branch the new lp:gallery-app/rtm-14 branch?
[15:46] <sil2100> hmmm
[15:46] <plars> dobey: in the jenkins job, you should be able to see most of that from the console log
[15:46] <Mirv> bfiller: I'd guess push --overwrite
[15:47] <dobey> plars: i don't have any active MPs at the moment and trying to look at the link from the last MP that landed in trunk, i get a 404.
[15:47] <sil2100> Mirv: hmm, you have a minute still?
[15:47] <sil2100> Mirv: do you know what happened with silo 12 ubuntu-rtm?
[15:47] <bfiller> Mirv: ok, we're going to need to do the same thing for camera-app and lp:camera-app/rtm-14.09 to get the versioning correct. Maybe you can send me an email about how you went about doing that for gallery so I can do the same for camera?
[15:47] <plars> dobey: do you have the link?
[15:47] <Mirv> sil2100: I don't feel very focused anymore othwerwise yes :)
[15:47] <sil2100> Mirv: since I see qtubuntu-camera is in no known spacetime, and the rtm archive has a revert in it
[15:48] <sil2100> Mirv: so, I'm wondering, is the archive in a coherent state now?
[15:48] <dobey> plars: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-vivid/168/console
[15:50] <plars> dobey: yeah, it looks like those jobs only go back to the beginning of the month, even on the jenkins behind the vpn that it mirrors
[15:50] <Mirv> sil2100: wow, no. the train is waiting for 1202, and what was released was 1208 that was really 1204..
[15:50] <sil2100> I'm confused
[15:50] <sil2100> ;)
[15:51] <Mirv> sil2100: me too. robru would probably know.
[15:51] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, but the silo PPA has actually 0.3.3+15.04.20141208.is.0.3.3+15.04.20141204~rtm-0ubuntu1
[15:51] <plars> dobey: I was hoping maybe it was still on that one, but it's not.  It may be easiest for you to just run the new one and watch it, but if there's a specific question about how it runs, I may be able to help. Basically it's just calling phablet-click-test-setup after provisioning with the image, and using phablet-test-run for the tests - nothing magic
[15:51] <sil2100> So it seems it's all as planned?
[15:51] <sil2100> It seems to have been uploaded by rsalveti, so he would know what's up
[15:51]  * rsalveti looks
[15:51] <rsalveti> sil2100: oh, that is not a revert of what it was before
[15:52] <rsalveti> this is just a revert of the initial change I had on that ppa
[15:52] <sil2100> Ah uh ok
[15:52] <rsalveti> as it had more than we should land
[15:52] <dobey> plars: it's running those tests on actual hardware, or in qemu?
[15:52] <rsalveti> because of the cherry-pick mess
[15:52] <Mirv> and then probably build watch_only was missing so train was waiting for wrong package?
[15:52] <sil2100> rsalveti: ok, so just a quick question: is what is in the PPA (and the archive now) what we want?
[15:52] <rsalveti> sil2100: yes :-)
[15:52] <plars> dobey: oh wait, this is the otto one... no that's different, sorry
[15:52] <sil2100> Phew, thanks ;)
[15:52] <rsalveti> I think this got published yesterday
[15:53]  * sil2100 leaves rsalveti alone now so he can finally rest
[15:53] <rsalveti> from the changes file it looks like to be included in 181
[15:53] <rsalveti> flashing that now to check before going completely away :-)
[15:53] <sil2100> jibel, Mirv, brendand: let's kick a new image now - everyone agreeing?
[15:53] <plars> dobey: that one is happening in an lxc container
[15:53] <jibel> sil2100, +1
[15:53] <Mirv> sil2100: +1
[15:53] <dobey> hmm
[15:54] <brendand> sil2100, yep
[15:55] <sil2100> Ok, asking sergiusens
[15:55] <bfiller> jibel: do you have time to test silo 11?
[15:56] <bfiller> jibel: would *love* to get this in the image if possible
[15:56] <jibel> bfiller, no sorry, it's too late
[15:57] <bfiller> jibel: anyone on your team have time? would be good to get it validated even if it doesn't make this image as it's critical for barjaas
[15:57] <sergiusens> sil2100: should be triggered
[15:58] <sil2100> sergiusens: thank you!
[15:58] <sil2100> sergiusens: did you also comment out the cronjob autobuild for ubuntu-rtm? ;)
[15:58] <sil2100> (we don't want new images that have nothing it it)
[15:59] <sil2100> ogra_: where's imgbot!!
[16:00] <sergiusens> sil2100: you didn't ask me t do that...
[16:01] <sil2100> 16:54 < sil2100> sergiusens: we would also need the cronjob for ubuntu-rtm auto-builds disabled (commented out)
[16:01] <sil2100> ;)
[16:01] <rsalveti> sil2100: yeah, the right changes are in
[16:01] <sil2100> Pretty please with cherries on top ;)!
[16:01] <jibel> bfiller, I understand the importance of this fix but we don't have time at the moment.
[16:01] <sil2100> rsalveti: excellent, thanks for checking
[16:05] <mzanetti> sil2100: hey, can you reconfig rtm/6 to include the gles-sync branch please
[16:06] <sil2100> mzanetti: sure
[16:07] <mzanetti> thanks :)
[16:07] <sergiusens> sil2100: it's disabled, I'm not sure why the build didn't kick off though
[16:07] <sergiusens> sil2100: I don't see anything running here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch
[16:08] <sil2100> sergiusens: oh, it didn't? hmmm
[16:08] <sergiusens> sil2100: trying again..
[16:08] <sil2100> Sadly, since I don't have nuskan access and the web interface doesn't give me power, I have no idea what can be wrong
[16:08] <sergiusens> sil2100: there we go https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch
[16:09] <sergiusens> sil2100: seems to be building now according to lp
[16:12] <sil2100> \o/
[16:12] <sil2100> Thanks again
[16:26] <alex-abreu> sil2100, why is L16 blocked?
[16:27] <imgbot> hello sil2100 !
[16:27] <sil2100> Yaaay, hello mr imgbot !
[16:27] <ogra_> :)
[16:28] <sil2100> I feel so much safer with you around ;p
[16:28] <ogra_> sil2100, i'm not sure it functions properly, i tried to recover as much code as i could but no promises ...
[16:28] <ogra_> might take another day to debug in case it doesnt work ... it knows a bunch new functions though :) (i had bunch of numerged snippets)
[16:29] <ogra_> *unmerged
[16:29] <ogra_> imgbot, status 180
[16:29] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-16 03:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-16 03:50:48 UTC
[16:29] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/14095
[16:29] <ogra_> imgbot, map 180
[16:29] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 180 maps to mako version: 151
[16:29] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 180 maps to generic_x86 version: 145
[16:30] <ogra_> imgbot, map 57 vivid
[16:30] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 57 maps to krillin version: 64
[16:30] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 57 maps to generic_x86 version: 58
[16:30] <ogra_> imgbot, status 57 vivid
[16:30] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 02:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 02:59:16 UTC
[16:30] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/14167
[16:30] <ogra_> imgbot, status 178
[16:30] <imgbot> Error: No rootfs build found, was this a device or custom build ?
[16:30] <ogra_> (and so it was)
[16:31] <sil2100> Ooh!
[16:31] <sil2100> I like the 'status' feature
[16:31] <imgbot> Error: There does not seem to be any build with the number<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:31] <ogra_> oh, wow
[16:31] <sil2100> hm, I think it reacts to the word status now
[16:31] <imgbot> Error: There does not seem to be any build with the number now
[16:31] <sil2100> All the time
[16:31] <sil2100> ;)
[16:31] <ogra_> you think it reacts to status ?
[16:31] <imgbot> Error: There does not seem to be any build with the number ?
[16:31] <ogra_> :P
[16:31] <jibel> imgbot, status 123 lucid
[16:31] <imgbot> Error: There does not seem to be any build with the number 123
[16:31] <jibel> :)
[16:31] <ogra_> heh
[16:32]  * ogra_ goes fixing
[16:34] <ogra_> i wonder if it also reacts to help
[16:34] <imgbot> I am the firendly image watchbot
[16:34] <ogra_> heh
[16:35] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[16:35] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[16:36] <ogra_> imgbot, map 57 vivid
[16:36] <ogra_> hmpf
[16:36] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[16:36] <sil2100> Ok, I jump out to drive my girlfriend to the doctor
[16:38] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[16:38]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[16:38] <ogra_> imgbot, map 57 vivid
[16:38] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[16:38] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[16:39] <ogra_> imgbot, map 57 vivid
[16:39] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 57 maps to krillin version: 64
[16:39] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 57 maps to generic_x86 version: 58
[16:39] <ogra_> imgbot, map 181
[16:39] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 181 maps to mako version: 152
[16:39] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 181 maps to generic_x86 version: 146
[16:39] <ogra_> imgbot, status 181
[16:39] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 03:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 03:53:32 UTC
[16:39] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/14169
[16:39] <ogra_> ok, and if i now say status ... the bot shouldnt react anymore
[16:41] <ogra_> imgbot, status 181
[16:42] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 03:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 03:53:32 UTC
[16:42] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/14169
[16:42] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/181.changes
[16:42] <ogra_> imgbot, status 181
[16:42] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 03:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 03:53:32 UTC
[16:42] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/14169
[16:42] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/181.changes
[16:42] <ogra_> great
[16:43] <ogra_> imgbot, status 57 vivid
[16:43] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 02:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 02:59:16 UTC
[16:43] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/14167
[16:43] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/57.changes
[16:45] <ogra_> imgbot, status 56 vivid
[16:45] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-16 02:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-16 02:56:29 UTC
[16:45] <imgbot> URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/14093
[16:45] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/56.changes
[16:50] <dbarth> uh, sit imgbot
[16:50] <dbarth> :)
[16:50] <ogra_> :)
[16:50] <dbarth> is anyone having issues with libtool on vivid?
[16:51] <dbarth> my autogen.sh says it can't find libtool, even if it installs fine in the dependencies
[16:54] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[16:54] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[16:55] <Laney> dear trainguards, can you help me with https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/3548/console ?
[16:55] <Laney> trying to assign line 68
[17:02] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[17:02] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[17:02] <dbarth> ogra_: come on, let that poor bot alone
[17:02] <ogra_> heh
[17:02] <ogra_> i wish i could :)
[17:03] <dbarth> oh, i see, it's coming back
[17:03] <dbarth> with a revenge
[17:03] <ogra_> hehe, well, i accidentially wiped it recently (on my first vacation day, yay) ... just trying to get it back to normal
[17:06] <jibel> sil2100, no meeting?
[17:06] <Laney> ok never mind, I put it on a new line and it works now
[17:07] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  Mirv: may I ask for a silo for line 68, even if it does not land on Vivid i can backport to the SDK PPA
[17:08] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[17:08] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[17:15] <cjwatson> dbarth: do you mean /usr/bin/libtool?
[17:15] <cjwatson> dbarth: I mean, libtool the executable on the $PATH ...
[17:19] <cjwatson> dbarth: right, I see your autogen.sh now.  You shouldn't be using the libtool executable - basically all packages attempting to use it are buggy because they should generally use the one generated by configure instead.  /usr/bin/libtool is now in libtool-bin, but please don't use that; in this case you can just change "libtool --version" to "libtoolize --version" in your autogen.sh, since that's what you use further down anyway.
[17:19] <dbarth> cjwatson: yes, i think so; i have the libtool package installed
[17:19] <dbarth> ahhhh
[17:20] <dbarth> i'll try that now
[17:21] <Laney> dbarth: you might like https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/libunity-webapps/libtoolize/+merge/240032
[17:21] <cjwatson> dbarth: Though if I were you I'd probably also look at replacing parts of that script (doesn't look like it can be all of it) with autoreconf -fi or similar, which should be able to take care of the whole libtoolize/aclocal/autoheader/autoconf/automake dance
[17:22] <dbarth> ok
[17:23] <dbarth> will that be bacward compatible with 14.04 though?
[17:23] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[17:23] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[17:23] <dbarth> cause the main point of that release is to generate SRUs for Trusty
[17:23] <bzoltan_> trainguards: I would like to ask for a silo - line 68
[17:26] <dbarth> Laney: 14.04 as well?
[17:27] <dbarth> cjwatson: so right in debian/rules, switching to a plain autoreconf, right? i assume it should be 14.04 safe as well
[17:29] <cjwatson> dbarth: That's not what I said ...
[17:29] <cjwatson> "parts of that script (doesn't look like it can be all of it)"
[17:29] <dbarth> ah, i missed that, ok
[17:29] <cjwatson> autoreconf won't handle some of the fancier things you're doing there, but you can simplify some of it, that's all.
[17:29] <cjwatson> and yes, autoreconf has been around roughly forever
[17:29] <dbarth> ok. clear
[17:29] <cjwatson> you also don't have to simplify it, it's just a suggestion.
[17:49] <robru> sil2100: Mirv: re silo rtm 12, I'm not sure what's going on there. v1208.is.1204 is the version from the silo that was published. I have no idea why check-publication-migration is looking for 1202, indeed that doesn't exist.
[17:50] <robru> sil2100: Mirv: that is to say, as far as I can tell, the version in the packagelist when I clicked published is the same version that got to the archive. so the archive looks fine in that respect.
[18:02] <robru> sil2100: Mirv: oh I see what happened. v0.3.3+15.04.20141202~rtm-0ubuntu1 is what the silo built, but v0.3.3+15.04.20141208.is.0.3.3+15.04.20141204~rtm-0ubuntu1 was a manual upload that got published instead. I guess either whoever uploaded that forgot to do a WATCH_ONLY build, or there's a regression in WATCH_ONLY builds. Anyway I can manually poke the silo
[18:02] <robru> in this case but I should probably investigate further.
[18:13] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! Sorry to disturb, we asked sergiusens to kick an image for us and LP says it's built, but jibel still doesn't see it on system-image
[18:13] <sil2100> cjwatson: do you know what could have happened?
[18:13] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch
[18:17] <ogra_> sil2100, UGH !
[18:17] <ogra_> looks like someone trashed the crontab
[18:17] <ogra_> (teh whole system-image block at the end is missing)
[18:19] <ogra_> sil2100, not sure who that was but i see a "crontab /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/etc/crontab" in the cdimage user history ... that means some old crotab from the bzr tree was used to replace the existing live crontab ... thats pretty bad :/
[18:22] <dobey> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:22] <sil2100> Ugh?
[18:22] <dobey> cihelp: ^^ well i suppose that is a bit of an impediment to running autopilot tests
[18:22] <dobey> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-vivid/285/consoleFull
[18:22] <sil2100> ;_;
[18:24] <Ursinha> plars: do you know what's that about? ^^^
[18:24] <plars> Ursinha: I'm looking at it now
[18:25] <Ursinha> plars: thanks!
[18:25] <Ursinha> dobey: ^
[18:25] <dobey> thanks
[18:25] <sil2100> ogra_: so, what can we do to get an image?
[18:26] <sil2100> ogra_: since we NEED this image to be imported
[18:27] <ogra_> sil2100, to get *an* image i could manuallyrun import-image but there was some TMPDIR magic needed that i cant recall ... which means if i would just enable import-images, the machine wopuld start to die again by filling up /tmp
[18:27] <plars> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9552902/ seems to be the relevant bit
[18:27] <ogra_> sil2100, which would mean latest tomorrow there wouldnt be any image builds at all anymore
[18:28] <sil2100> ogra_: for now we only want this one image
[18:28] <plars> dobey: something messed up in libuuid or ureadahead perhaps? cjwatson, do you have any ideas?
[18:28] <Ursinha> ogra_: what machine is that? I mean, who maintains/has access to that?
[18:28] <sil2100> I guess we can wait with the importer being disabled in overall
[18:28] <ogra_> Ursinha, the cdimage team ... and IS
[18:28] <sil2100> jibel: ^
[18:28] <ogra_> sil2100, but snappy cant i guess
[18:28] <plars> seems to be happening during the dist-upgrade of the lxc container
[18:29] <Ursinha> ogra_: got it
[18:29] <dobey> plars: yeah, looks like perhaps a bug in ureadahead
[18:30] <plars> dobey: so the good news is that it doesn't look like it's your fault, and will likely resolve itself once that's corrected. The bad news is that I don't see much we can do about it until that happens
[18:31] <dobey> plars: right. i guess this will block landing of things that have autopilot tests being run in jenkins though, no?
[18:33] <plars> dobey: likely yes, not just yours. I'm asking around to see if anyone knows a way it can be worked around just in case though
[18:37] <plars> dobey: might have a workaround, give me a bit
[18:39] <ogra_> sil2100, i got import-images running now, but someone needs to talk to stgraber to re-establish the system-image block at the bottom of the file, there were a bunch of variables set etc (MAILTO ... TMPDIR ... ) that i cant remember how they were supposed to be set up and snappy will definitely need the 5min import runs
[18:42]  * sil2100 sighs
[18:42] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks!
[18:42] <ogra_> np ... i nearly had a full workday today anyway :P
[18:46] <plars> dobey: is there an easy way for you to kick it off again?
[18:46] <plars> dobey: I *think* it should work now
[18:47] <ogra_> imgbot, help
[18:47] <imgbot> for questions please mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:47] <imgbot> help, stop, status, map, stunt
[18:47] <imgbot> I know the following commands:
[18:47] <imgbot> I am the firendly system-image watchbot !
[18:47] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[18:47] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[18:48] <ogra_> hmm, i wonder why it prints the lines in backwards order
[18:48] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[18:48] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[18:49] <plars> ogra_: because it's firendly :)
[18:49] <ogra_> heh
[18:49] <ogra_> imgbot, help
[18:49] <imgbot> for questions please mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <imgbot> I know the following commands:
[18:49] <imgbot> help, stop, status, map, stunt
[18:49] <imgbot> I am the firendly system-image watchbot !
[18:49] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[18:49] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[18:49] <ogra_> plars, ah, that might be :P
[18:50] <ogra_> imgbot, help
[18:50] <imgbot> I am the firendly system-image watchbot !
[18:50] <imgbot> I know the following commands:
[18:50] <imgbot> help, stop, status, map, stunt
[18:50] <imgbot> for questions please mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:50] <ogra_> better ...
[18:52] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[18:52] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[18:53] <jibel> ogra_, how long does it take to run import-image ie. when can we expect an image?
[18:53] <jibel> ogra_, nm 183 has just been published
[18:53] <jibel> ogra_, thank you
[18:53] <ogra_> jibel, right, the bot didnt recognize it yet
[18:55] <ogra_> grmbl
[18:57] <dobey> plars: sorry. http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity-scope-click-ci/554/rebuild should kick it off if you could hit it real quick
[18:58] <plars> dobey: yep, one sec
[19:00] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[19:00] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[19:02] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[19:02] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[19:05] <imgbot> [19:05] <imgbot> [19:05] <ogra_> phew
[19:05] <ogra_> imgbot, status 183
[19:05] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2014-12-17 16:08:21 UTC, Finished: 2014-12-17 16:59:30 UTC
[19:05] <imgbot> Build URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/14257
[19:05] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/183.changes
[19:06] <ogra_> imgbot, map 183
[19:06] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 183 maps to mako version: 153
[19:06] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 183 maps to generic_x86 version: 147
[19:06] <ogra_> great
[19:10] <sil2100> \o/
[19:10] <sil2100> jibel, brendand, ToyKeeper: the new image is here!
[19:11] <ToyKeeper> Already in the middle of flashing it.
[19:12] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: thanks :)
[19:12] <sil2100> \o/
[19:21] <iahmad> sil2100, ogra_ while flashing 183, my krillin stuck at bq logo
[19:21] <sil2100> iahmad: oh?
[19:21] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: you have the same problem?
[19:22]  * sil2100 checks
[19:23] <ToyKeeper> No, mine flashed fine on the first try.
[19:25] <ToyKeeper> ... which doesn't mean it'll always work; just that it *can* work.  Sample size of one.
[19:26] <ogra_> OTA worked fine here
[19:28] <robru> Laney: oh, glad you figured out your spreadsheet issue. for future reference, what happened there was that you opened the assignment dialogue, closed it, and opened it again. this means that the spreadsheet row had a request id and thought you were trying to reconfigure an existing request rather than assign a new one. if it happens again you don't have to
[19:28] <robru> start a new row, you can just close the assignment dialog, delete the value from column M, and then open the assign dialog again and it'll work.
[20:12] <plars> dobey: seems to be working now I think
[20:14] <dobey> plars: yeah, seems autopilot ran this time :)
[20:19] <sil2100> iahmad: still having problems..?
[20:20] <iahmad> sil2100, 2nd attempt made it through
[21:02] <jibel> sil2100, sanity tests passed on krillin
[21:06] <sil2100> jibel: phew... at least that
[21:07] <sil2100> Since I was worried that the system-image issues we've been encountering actually broke the image
[21:17] <ogra_> sil2100, i re-added as much of the importer stuff to the crontab as i could, but that wont fix any other cdimage entries that had been changed in the production one, i guess an email is in order so flavour teams and release team know that their images might be gone from it in case they were manually changed in production
[21:18] <ogra_> (i also added a giant warning at the top of the crontab to never do what was done ... hopefully that prevents us from this happening again )
[21:19]  * ogra_ is off and back to vacation again ... images should work (for us at least)
[21:30] <sil2100> I wonder who did that
[21:43] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: are you doing sanity testing as well?
[21:47] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Sanity for krillin is done (pass), emulator and mako are in progress.
[21:49] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: I think a more direct answer is "yes".
[22:10] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: who is also doing testing on the image right now besides you?
[22:11] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: I think om26er and iahmad are both testing now.
[22:11] <sil2100> Regression testing already? :)
[22:11] <ToyKeeper> Yes.
[22:11] <sil2100> Excellent, thank you everyone!
[22:12] <om26er> I am not doing regression testing. I am near past EOD :)
[22:12] <ToyKeeper> Oh, okay.
[22:46] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: how are things going so far? Anything to worry about?
[22:46] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Nothing terrible so far.
[22:57] <sil2100> Ok, so I go into maintenance mode then - I'll leave my shell open in case some blocking regression appears and will try to check later at night still
[22:57] <sil2100> And in the morning as well
[22:58] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: so just ping me (or PM me just in case) if there are regressions
[22:58] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Sure, though we probably won't know for a while.
[23:29] <alesage> is it possible to retrieve the deb from a successful build, e.g. this one? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-1-build/95/


[01:53] <cody-somerville> Please help test Xubuntu alpha candidate: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[02:02] <favro> cody-somerville: is running that in vbox helpful at all?
[02:02] <cody-somerville> sure
[02:02] <favro> :)
[03:21] <Oneword> is there a vnc server in xubuntu by default?
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> Oneword: no note by default...
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> not
[03:23] <Oneword> what package do I need
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> !vnc
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> does that new xubuntu contain gnome libs?
[03:26] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: some, i believe...
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> = (
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> gnome-games?
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> i wish xubuntu was more xfce and less gnome
[03:27] <Oneword> how come ubuntu doesn't see the network card, debian could
[03:29] <Oneword> oh, it does. my fault
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> I wonder if its possible to just install xfce4
[03:30] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: you can
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> without xubuntu-desktop
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> install with nothing but base files and apt
[03:31] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: install a command-line system from an alternate install cd, and then just "sudo aptitude install xfce4"
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> ya I thought it was alterante
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> worked awesomely on debian
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> pure xfce, no extra luggage
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> I wish live cd also has "install text console only"
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> live was less than 600 mb, coulda fit
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: it comes with totem, gnome-games, etc. so...
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> still coulda fit alot more
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> last time I downloaded xubuntu cd was like 699 mbs
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> just big enough to fit on a cd
[03:34] <favro> it's kinda designed that way :)
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> 8.04 live cd was like 530 or 540 mbs
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> coulda fit complete OOo on it
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: yes i think it is possible to install just xfce4. search the repos...
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> yup = )
[03:40] <Oneword> where do I set a proxy for apt-get or package manager?
[03:50] <nclife> hi, any recommendations for a light and good bittorrent client?
[03:51] <favro> rtorrent ftw !
[03:51] <favro> !info rtorrent
[03:52] <nclife> thx
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> heh will need to google that to figure out how to use it
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> but it awesome
[04:24] <favro> there is a wiki and chat for rtorrent
[04:24] <favro> http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks and #rtorrent
[04:48] <nclife> thanks
[04:51] <Oneword> how do I enable remote remote desktop on xubuntu?>
[04:57] <filipegatti> I'm creating some Launchers and I want them to have the icon of the application. Where do Xubuntu store Icons?
[05:01] <favro> /usr/share/pixmaps or icons normally
[05:06] <filipegatti> there it was, thanks favro (again!)
[05:07] <favro> filipegatti: np :)
[05:52] <Sunborn1> hey, I have been looking around the boards but I am wondering if anyone has tried to put xubuntu on a 32MB ram 200 mhz machine, even though the alternate install recommends 64 MB
[05:54] <favro> I'm running a minimal install and it needs 40mb just to get to the desktop
[05:55] <favro> puppy or damn small linux might be better alternatives
[05:55] <sunborn> yuck, ok
[05:55] <sunborn> thanks
[05:56] <sunborn> might as well stay with win95 than that
[05:56] <sunborn> ubuntu has spoiled me
[05:56] <favro> I had a dapper minimal with fluxbox and with no wallpaper it only used 28mb to get to the desktop
[05:58] <sunborn> I could see if there is some ram for this old box floating around on ebay
[05:59] <sunborn> I am thinking would 4 MB be enough to do anything else other than run the box?
[05:59] <favro> I have some spare 32mb sdram - where are you?
[05:59] <sunborn> Canada
[06:00] <sunborn> in the middle of nowhere northern canada
[06:00] <favro> other side of the globe in australia here :)
[06:00] <sunborn> which would explain why you are still up
[06:01] <favro> 3pm it is
[06:02] <sunborn> bah if I wanted to put more ram in, I would have to figure out what clock speed the ram in there is at. I think it would be too much work
[06:03] <favro> hehe
[06:06] <sunborn> well I will consider it thanks for the info favro, have a good rest of the day
[06:06] <favro> see ya :)
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i change the window manager on xfce to open box?
[07:54] <favro> to use compiz with xfce the command is   compiz --replace   I wonder if that'll work with openbox...
[07:54] <favro> openbox --replace   ?
[08:05] <Catoptromancy> xinitrc
[08:05] <Catoptromancy> !xinitrc
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> favro, how do you mean the command is? do i type that into a terminal?
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i add compiz to xfce? does it run as fast as without it?
[08:30] <favro> compiz is heavy on the system
[08:30] <favro> and I was more thinking out loud then suggesting - sorry
[08:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about changing the window manager to fluxbox?
[08:31] <favro> CostaRicanQuaker: you can use any wm you want - but prob not in xfce
[08:31] <favro> normally you install openbox and select it at login from options
[08:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> why not? i found this: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox
[08:32] <favro> I prefer fluxbox myself
[08:32] <favro> CostaRicanQuaker: I said prob not - if that link is something you want to try then go ahead?
[08:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you "save session"?=
[08:35] <favro> it's in the settings manager under login
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok thanks
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[11:07] <craxie> Why is Kubuntu always behind you? Are you more integrated with the main distro or are you just quicker?
[13:50] <cody-somerville> Hello. Please help test the Xubuntu Intrepid Alpha 6 candidate by visiting http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:57] <gorebeh> Hi, I want to keep the right click functionality from the default install of xubuntu (create shortcuts) but i would also like to be able to make the xfce4-menu appear at the pointer when i press a certain keycombo, is this possible?
[14:58] <cody-somerville> gorebeh, probably not
[14:59] <gorebeh> cody-somerville: at the moment when i press the key combo it launches the menu from whatever pannel its attached to, is there no way to launch it if its not attached to a pannel?
[15:00] <cody-somerville> I'm afraid I don't do anything fancy with my xfce4 install :P
[15:00] <gorebeh> cody-somerville: cool nps :) mabe ill cheat somehow with a hidden menu or something
[15:00] <cody-somerville> :]
[15:08] <ron_o> can one upgrade from dapper to the latest?
[15:08] <Myrtti> yes, you should be able to
[15:09] <cody-somerville> latest being 8.04 :]
[15:12] <robert__> Hi everyone, I have a problem=( I have lost my gnome-panel I cant get it back, (Menybar) pls help im new with Linux
[15:15] <Myrtti> robert__: gnome-panel or xfce4-panel?
[15:15] <Myrtti> are you on gnome or in xfce4?
[15:16] <robert__> Myrtti, im not sure im a beginner =) But i think its xfce4
[15:17] <Myrtti> did you have brown-n-orange ubuntu logo on the panel or a cute blue mouse?
[15:17] <robert__> a blue mouse i think
[15:18] <Myrtti> then you can get the panel back with alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel on the run prompt.
[15:19] <robert__> Myrtti You are my hero =( thanks alot m8
[15:19] <robert__> =)
[15:19] <Myrtti> oh my gawd, a deja vu
[15:19] <robert__> hehe Okey thx =)
[15:19] <Myrtti> erhm. right.
[15:19] <Myrtti> no probs.
[15:21] <Myrtti> didn't have the heart to correct him...
[15:21] <Myrtti> back to business...
[15:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> can someone help me set up thunderbird, i am at the stage where the dialogue says incoming/outgoing server if pop/imap is checked, i clicked on my connection details and can't find anything other than the following data: ip address, broadcast address, subnet mask, default route, primary dns. secondary dns, they're all numbers, whihc do i have to enter in the outgoing incoming slots?
[15:24] <Myrtti> you can't figure them out from those unless you're super wizard
[15:24] <Myrtti> incoming/outcoming information is given to you by your ISP or email service provider.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i figure them out then?
[15:24] <Myrtti> for instance, google mail has its own.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> the account i want to set up is a ymail/gmail account
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i have to do?
[15:25] <Myrtti> hold on...
[15:26] <Myrtti> CostaRicanQuaker: check https://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/fwdandpop first
[15:26] <Myrtti> check that imap is enabled
[15:27] <Myrtti> CostaRicanQuaker: and then follow http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77662
[15:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> and for ymail?
[15:30] <Myrtti> for ymail http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-35.html and http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-14.html
[15:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i have several different accounts on thunderbird like can i have both the ymail and gmail set up?
[15:32] <Myrtti> sure
[15:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> how so?
[15:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> i just finished setting up for gmail
[15:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it has a loading bar, it says connecting
[15:35] <Myrtti> I use claws-mail myself so I can't remember the details :-<
[15:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> what distro are you on?
[15:35] <Myrtti> but it should be quite straightforward
[15:35] <Myrtti> xubuntu
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's claws mail? i haven't seen it on xubuntu
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> waht's the diffference from say kmail and why do you like it
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> connection timed out
[15:36] <Myrtti> I think claws-mail is lighter to run than thunderbird - and it's gtk
[15:36] <Myrtti> unlike kmail
[15:37] <Myrtti> you can add accounts to thunderbird with Edit - Account settings
[15:37] <TheSheep> and it's not that ugly, once you install the Tango theme
[15:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> sudo aptitude install claws-mail?
[15:38] <Myrtti> yup
[15:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> please wait
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> Myrtti, ok i just got claws mail
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do i do to set up the ymail account
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean i see that link you gave me
[15:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> the username on claws
[15:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> does it correspond to either "account/name/login" from the page you linked
[15:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> or e-mail address?
[15:44] <Myrtti> user id yes.
[15:44] <Myrtti> full name is your full name
[15:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> username though
[15:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the claws thing
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i just set it up
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> but as soon as i clicked on get mail
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> it said error connection to plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> failed
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do? what did i do wrong?
[15:48] <Myrtti> do you have paid yahoomail plus account?
[15:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> no
[15:49] <Myrtti> have you gotten yahoo mail to work in other clients than the webmail before?
[15:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> do you have to to be able to open ymail on a program like claws-mail? what about thunderbird and gmail?
[15:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> thunderbird keeps trying to connect adn then it times out
[15:58] <Myrtti> are you sure you've got the ports correctly?
[15:58] <Myrtti> and the username?
[16:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i just set up the gmail one
[16:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> and that one's working
[16:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> do you have to have a  paid for account for the ymail one to work on pop tho?
[16:10] <Myrtti> oh, he left just as I was going to answer him
[18:07] <Danu> Hi i really need help, i just install xubuntu-dektop, and i'm confuse
[18:07] <Myrtti> oh?
[18:11] <zoredache> Danu: perhaps you could tell us what you are confused about...
[18:12] <Danu> everything!, for example how do i change themes?
[18:13] <Danu> please
[18:14] <zoredache> !xfce-themes | Danu
[18:15] <Danu> but i already have the .themes folder (because i have gnome too)
[18:15] <zoredache> and?
[18:16] <Danu> and where do i change them?
[18:16] <Myrtti> Danu: Applications - Settings - Settings Manager
[18:16] <Myrtti> User interface
[18:17] <Myrtti> wasn't that hard, now was it? :-)
[18:18] <Danu> sorry a lot but i don't see it :(
[18:19] <Danu> ups now i do =) thenks
[18:20] <Danu> and now how do i apply it?
[18:21] <Myrtti> you did unpack the theme to the .themes directory, right?
[18:21] <Danu> yes
[18:22] <Danu> another thing, sorry the bother but, i have in the applications menu wien icons in "others"
[18:23] <Myrtti> *blink*
[18:24] <Myrtti> whut?
[18:26] <Danu> wine*
[18:26] <Myrtti> yes?
[18:28] <Danu> all the icons of applications that i uninstall a long time ago are in "others"
[18:37] <Danu> bye thenks anyway
[18:40] <armornick> hey guys, how much faster is xfce than gnome?
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> where could I find some info about the storage device management in hardy and later versions? (e.g. the standardised /dev/sdx naming scheme and what this incurs)
[19:14] <dreamy> hi anyone around?
[19:14] <dreamy> i require assistance in mounting fat32
[19:19] <dreamy> anyone?
[19:19] <Myrtti> sure
[19:21] <dreamy> i have a dual boot system windows and xubuntu
[19:22] <Myrtti> ok
[19:22] <dreamy> c: d:(which is fat32 so that i can share between windows and xubuntu)
[19:23] <dreamy> i notice that unlike ubuntu, the d drive does not auto mount
[19:24] <dreamy> i have been looking through the forums but can't seem to figure out what command line am i to use
[19:24] <dreamy> sorry....i'm pretty much a noob with linux
[19:25] <Myrtti> hmmm.
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> dreamy: that would be the mount command
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/
[19:29] <PsynoKhi0> if you want to make it persistent you need to edit the fstab file in your /etc directory
[19:32] <dreamy> ok
[19:32] <dreamy> should i follow this command from the webbie
[19:32] <dreamy> # sudo  mount  -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/c
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> almost
[19:33] <dreamy> but change my ntfs to fat32
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> vfat
[19:33] <dreamy> and change hdb1 to my drive name
[19:33] <dreamy> oh ok
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> but
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> have you run fdisk -l?
[19:33] <dreamy> yep
[19:34] <dreamy> ohh
[19:35] <dreamy> i see it now
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> what the outpout for your fat32 partition?
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> output*
[19:35] <dreamy> its further down the webbie
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> yep, read the whole thing ;) you don't want to mess up data or worse
[19:35] <dreamy> yeah that's all my sch work
[19:35] <dreamy> else i'll be dead
[19:36] <dreamy>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda2            4866        9729    39070080    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda5            4866        6162    10418121    b  W95 FAT32
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda6            6163        6466     2441848+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda7            6467        9729    26210016   83  Linux
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> oy oy oy oy...
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> more than 3 rows, please use the pastebin
[19:38] <dreamy> oops
[19:38] <dreamy> sorry
[19:38] <dreamy> :/
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> so it's sda5, right?
[19:39] <dreamy> yep
[19:39] <dreamy> sweet
[19:39] <dreamy> its mounted
[19:39] <dreamy> :)
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> neat
[19:40] <dreamy> thanks!!!but how do i make it persistent?
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> to be on the safe side, I'd only read data fron that partition for now
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> i.e. no writes
[19:40] <dreamy> oh?
[19:41] <dreamy> why not?i thought it was interchangable?
[19:42] <PsynoKhi0> I've never played around with fat32 partitions myself in linux, only NTFS ones, and not so long ago, writing to those was kind of risky... I don't want to tell you stuff I'm not 100% sure of
[19:43] <PsynoKhi0> that's all, might be all good but I can't give you my word :)
[19:43] <PsynoKhi0> look for more info or ask someone more knowledgeable than I
[19:44] <dreamy> ohh...okok....thanks dude.
[19:44] <PsynoKhi0> np
[19:45] <PsynoKhi0> as for making it persistent
[19:46] <PsynoKhi0> could you please paste your fstab (/etc/fstab) in the pastebin and drop the URL to the output here?
[19:46] <PsynoKhi0> e.g.
[19:47] <PsynoKhi0> mousepad /etc/fstab
[19:47] <PsynoKhi0> copy/paste
[19:50] <dreamy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48115/
[19:51] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[19:52] <PsynoKhi0> what was the command you typed to mount your partition? could you paste the whole string here?
[19:54] <dreamy> sudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 /dev/sda5 /media/d
[19:56] <saiki> what is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?
[19:59] <PsynoKhi0> dreamy: in a terminal type
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak && sudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> that will make a backup of your current file and open it in the tet editor with super user privileges (need to edit it)
[20:00] <dreamy> done
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> tet = text
[20:01] <dreamy> ok
[20:02] <Myrtti> PsynoKhi0: GKSUDO
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> do you have the file in front of you, with a red row above it Waring you're using super user blablabla?
[20:02]  * Myrtti larts PsynoKhi0 for opening mousepad with sudo
[20:03] <dreamy> yep
[20:03] <dreamy> i have that
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> ok, now add a line at the bottom so it looks like this:
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48120/
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> then save and exit the text editor
[20:04] <dreamy> i add line 10?
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> yep
[20:05] <dreamy> kk
[20:05] <dreamy> alright
[20:05] <dreamy> done
[20:05] <PsynoKhi0> save and exit
[20:06] <dreamy> ok
[20:06] <PsynoKhi0> then if you want to check it worked, rebbot the compy
[20:06] <PsynoKhi0> reboot*
[20:06]  * PsynoKhi0 now flees
[20:08] <saiki> what is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?
[20:08] <dreamy> lol
[20:08] <dreamy> okok
[20:08] <dreamy> i reboot
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> alsamixer you mean?
[20:08] <dreamy> thanks
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> np
[20:10] <saiki> PsynoKhi0: that seems to only control alsa, I need all of them. because I can't get some things to work
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> all of them what?
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> hardware settings?
[20:13] <PsynoKhi0> do you need to increase input volume to a micrphone, that kind of stuff?
[20:14] <saiki> I need to change default as well
[20:14] <saiki> alsa doesn't seem to control my webcam
[20:14] <saiki> which has a mic
[20:15] <saiki> Slvoice isn't connecting to everyone else, just me. Skype refuses to play audio (in or out)
[20:16] <PsynoKhi0> nt using xfce right now, though if you go through the volume applet (speaker icon) on top right corner
[20:17] <PsynoKhi0> there should be omething in the line Open ontrol panel
[20:17] <saiki> there isn't one
[20:18] <saiki> on live it had one, no it doesn't
[20:18] <saiki> now*
[20:18] <PsynoKhi0> then right click on the top panel (random free space) and choose Add item
[20:20] <PsynoKhi0> there should be a Mixer applet in the list
[20:20] <saiki> mymixer doesn't tetect my webcam as an audio source
[20:21] <PsynoKhi0> nothing under View > Manage?
[20:24] <dreamy> hey PsynoKhio
[20:24] <dreamy> it worked
[20:24] <dreamy> :)
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> cool :)
[20:24] <dreamy> thanks dude
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> np *hugs google*
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[20:24] <dreamy> hehe
[20:25] <dreamy> i want to try chrome on linux
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> ^^
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> that works through wine if I remember correctly
[20:26] <Yashy> help! My nvidia driver seems to have gone awol, I'm stuck using VESA in 800x600   http://pastebin.com/m1df0dbb
[20:26] <dreamy> yep...it does
[20:27] <dreamy> thank god for wine
[20:28] <PsynoKhi0> you're gonna need the latest version though, there are instructions on winehq.org to get it through Synaptics
[20:29] <PsynoKhi0> Yashy: tried Envy to install the driver?
[20:30] <PsynoKhi0> it's in the repo (as long as you have universe and multivers enabled)'
[20:31] <PsynoKhi0> bye
[20:32] <saiki> Yashy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[20:54] <holyguyver_> My computer is not reading or even mounting my SD flash memory card, shouldn't it be able to?
[20:54] <Myrtti> that is totally dependant on whether your computer has hardware that is supported
[20:55] <holyguyver_> I did an ls /dev/sd* if that helps
[20:55] <holyguyver_> /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf
[20:56] <Myrtti> no, it really doesn't help
[20:56] <holyguyver_> Well do you know anything that would help us find out?
[20:56] <Myrtti> what happens if you type "dmesg | tail -f" into terminal and plug the SD flash memory in the computer?
[20:58] <venome> holyguyver_:  looks like you've got several devices that lack partitions
[20:59] <holyguyver_> Myrtti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48143/
[20:59] <venome> holyguyver_: so it's the sdc1 partition
[20:59] <holyguyver_> venome, I guess, I do not know.
[21:00] <venome> holyguyver_: 've you tried mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom for example
[21:00] <venome> (from console)
[21:00] <venome> (or i can let Myrtti explain it :) )
[21:01] <holyguyver_> venome trhat thing at the bottom appeared in the terminal before I put in the sd card.
[21:01] <Myrtti> venome: go ahead, I'm trying to procrastinate work too much and IRC is doing a pretty good job with it
[21:01] <venome> ok, i see :)
[21:01] <zoredache> if the device is connected do a 'sfdisk -l' perhaps?  See if you see the filesystem you are looking for
[21:02] <holyguyver_> venome, "[21882.086614]  sdc: sdc1" appeared before I attached the card.
[21:02] <Myrtti> and what happens when you insert the card?
[21:02] <holyguyver_> Myrtti, no response
[21:02] <venome> holyguyver_: ok, so that means it is not related to the card issue
[21:03] <venome> then you most likely do not have the drivers (modules) for the card reader hardware
[21:03] <holyguyver_> venome but here is where it gets stranger.
[21:04] <venome> holyguyver_: do you know what brand is your card reader? is it a notebook one?
[21:05] <holyguyver_> I purchased this computer from the factory with the flash card reader as a normal factory pre-installed hardware that normally comes with the computer, & the computer originally came with MS Vista, well I even then logged out of my Linux distro & back into vista & even vista is giving the same respnse that Linux did.
[21:06] <venome> holyguyver_: what size is your card?
[21:06] <venome> holyguyver_: haven't you put you vista into 'hibernate' mode?
[21:07] <venome> holyguyver_: (that could cause a series of troubles)
[21:07] <holyguyver_> venome, I don't know if the flash card is for notebooks, my mother purchased it. I already said several times that it is a SD card, but I have yet to say it is by SanDisk & it is 2GBs.
[21:07] <venome> holyguyver_: so unless you've got another 2GBs drive, sdc1 is the flash
[21:08] <holyguyver_> venome, No I have never put my vista into hibernate mode because this is only the second time I have booted into vista in the year & a half that I have owned this computer. When I got it the first thing I did was install Linux.
[21:08] <venome> holyguyver_: all right, i think it must be the sdc1 device that is the flash partition
[21:10] <holyguyver_> No I do not have another 2 GB partisition, but how did you know other then when I said it, that it was 2GBs?
[21:10] <venome> holyguyver_: its in the dmesg ...
[21:11] <holyguyver_> Well it is refusing to let me mount it both in Linux & Vista.
[21:12] <venome> holyguyver_: well, and the sdc gets mounted?
[21:12] <holyguyver_> What would the SDC be?
[21:12] <Catoptromancy> how doe it refuse? how are you mounting?
[21:12] <venome> holyguyver_ : it might be because it's not formatted
[21:12] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I am going to the file manager & right clicking & telling it to mount.
[21:13] <Catoptromancy> manually try to mounr
[21:13] <Catoptromancy> mount
[21:13] <holyguyver_> venome, If I format it will it still work with the digital camera that I am using it in?
[21:14] <holyguyver_> cat I do not know hot to manually mount, I do not know the cammand, but I mean I was manually mounting it using the GUI.
[21:14] <Catoptromancy> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/somedirectory
[21:14] <holyguyver_> somedirectory?
[21:14] <Catoptromancy> make sure its dev sdc1  and find an empty directory in /mnt
[21:15] <holyguyver_> How would I find an empty directory?
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> see if anything is in it
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> or mkdir /mnt.sdcard
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> err
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> or mkdir /mnt/sdcard
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> and
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:16] <holyguyver_> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:16] <holyguyver_> mount: mount point /mnt/sdcard does not exist
[21:17] <Catoptromancy> mkdir /mnt/sdcard
[21:17] <Catoptromancy> that mkdir = makes directory
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> if that command doesnt work
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> probably heh
[21:19] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack # mkdir /mnt/sdcard mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: unknown filesystem type 'msdosfs'
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> try vfat
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> maybe auto?
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:19] <holyguyver_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> woah
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> dont put all that on one line
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> mkdir and mount are sepreate commands
[21:20] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I didn't put it all on one line
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> ok heh
[21:20] <holyguyver_> I made it into one line here so I didn't have to pastebin it.
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> cat /sbin
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> dont paste
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> look for mount_anything commands
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> look for sopmething that seems MS compatible
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> that shoulds mount an CD card
[21:21] <holyguyver_> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so
[21:22] <holyguyver_> venome, you never answered me, if I format it will it still work with the digital camera?
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> see if its really sdc1
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg|grep /dev/sd
[21:23] <holyguyver_> bash: bash-3.1$: command not found
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> heh
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> dmesg|grep /dev/sd
[21:23] <venome> holyguyver_: sorry, i thought Catoptromancy's answered your questions.... depends on what type of filesystem you camera expects
[21:24] <venome> it's most likely fat16 or fat32
[21:24] <venome> ... does the flash card work in your camera?
[21:24] <venome> (now)
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> mount -t fat32 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard  ?
[21:24] <holyguyver_> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> but i dont think its /dev/sdc1
[21:24] <holyguyver_> Yes the flash card does work in my camera.
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> dmesg|grep /dev/
[21:25] <Catoptromancy> try that
[21:25] <Catoptromancy> itll be longer, but pickout where sd card will be
[21:25] <holyguyver_> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k
[21:25] <holyguyver_> It was not longer
[21:26] <Catoptromancy> your system cant find card. Are you sure its properly in computer?
[21:26] <Catoptromancy> mine has lights that come on
[21:26] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, yes the little green light is on.
[21:26] <venome> holyguyver_: well .... try ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* BEFORE you plugin the card
[21:26] <venome> holyguyver_: and then do the same after you plug it in
[21:27] <holyguyver_> Without card
[21:27] <holyguyver_> ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd*
[21:27] <holyguyver_> ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdd  /dev/sdf /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sde
[21:28] <holyguyver_> With card
[21:28] <holyguyver_> ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf
[21:29] <holyguyver_> venome, that good?
[21:30] <venome> holyguyver_: according to what you post, it must be the sdc1
[21:30] <venome> or sdf
[21:30] <venome> but definately some strange things are happening, cause many devices appear and disappear
[21:31] <venome> did the mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom work for you?
[21:31] <holyguyver_> I told you there was a strange part :p
[21:31] <holyguyver_> venome, But I do not have anything in my CDROM drive at the moment.
[21:32] <holyguyver_> Also remember this same problem is happening on Vista.
[21:33] <Catoptromancy> try another cd card?
[21:33] <Catoptromancy> sd
[21:34] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, what is a CD card?
[21:34] <Catoptromancy> try another sd card?
[21:34] <venome> holyguyver_: yep, but i say /media/cdrom because that device should exist by default in your system
[21:34] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, This is the only SD card I own, my mother just purchased it for me yesterday for my cameras which I got yesterday.
[21:34] <venome> holyguyver_: so we dont have to deal with that issue on separate :D
[21:35] <holyguyver_> venome, My CDROM works fine, even plays DVDs.
[21:38] <holyguyver_> I feel alone now. I must have scared everyone away.
[21:38] <venome> holyguyver_: don't care about the cd rom
[21:39] <holyguyver_> venome, we already created the mnt/sdcard remember.
[21:39] <venome> yea?
[21:39] <venome> and when you do ls /mnt/sdcard?
[21:40] <venome> (sorry, I'm on several channels and I can hardly read all the messages :) )
[21:40] <holyguyver_> Yes we did at the beginning of this Catoptromancy could vouch for it. I will do the ls for it now.
[21:40] <Catoptromancy> I dont think /dev/sdc1 is there
[21:40] <Catoptromancy> or machine isnt reading it at all, nothing to mount
[21:41] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack # ls /mnt/sdcard
[21:41] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack #
[21:41] <holyguyver_> I have been told that with unix cammands that if it doesn't say anything that thatn means all went well.
[21:42] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, If it isn't reading it at all then how did you guys know besides when I said it that it was 2GBs?
[21:43] <venome> holyguyver_: well, you might try 'mount -l'
[21:43] <venome> and see if there's the /dev/sdc1 listed ...
[21:43] <holyguyver_> venome,  Catoptromancy http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48154/
[21:45] <venome> ok, sdc is not there
[21:48] <holyguyver_> venome, Alright, so what does that mean?
[21:48] <holyguyver_> & yes the card is plugged in
[21:49] <venome> this means that the card is not mouned
[21:49] <venome> mounted = you can't see it's contents
[21:50] <venome> but the device itself might exist
[21:50] <venome> 've you tried the mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard?
[21:52] <holyguyver_> venome, Yes, you where here for that & the very first thing I said isd that the computer was refusing to mount the card.
[21:53] <venome> right, so it says you've got to specify the file system, right?
[21:54] <holyguyver_> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so
[21:54] <holyguyver_> That is what I said a half hour ago
[21:55] <holyguyver_> & when we did auto it told us to specify.
[21:55] <venome> ok ok
[21:55] <holyguyver_> But even windows Vista responds the same, Windows vista asks me to reformat the drive.
[21:55] <venome> its too late for me to think about that ... :)
[21:56] <venome> it might be a hardware failure
[21:56] <bytor4232> hm.
[21:56] <holyguyver_> venome, it is only 2 in the afternoon
[21:56] <bytor4232> I need to figure out why hotkeys is running in memory, yet not running.
[21:56] <venome> in my country its midnight :D
[21:56] <holyguyver_> venome, My mother just bought the card yesterday & this is the first time I have ever used my memory card reader.
[21:56] <venome> (i just came back from a pub ;) )
[21:57] <bytor4232> In soviet russia, night mids you!
[21:57] <venome> well, thankfully i'm from a country more to the west than russia :)
[21:57] <holyguyver_> venome, Gute Nacht
[21:57] <venome> danke :D
[21:57] <venome> aber noch nicht
[21:58] <holyguyver_> venome, I live in Arizona USA but took German in high school & love the langauge & the country.
[21:59] <venome> yep, I'm not german, but 'd like to go to usa ... :) just checked Las Vegas on the street view maps.google.com and it about 80 F there ... we are almost freezing here :D
[22:00] <holyguyver_> Dutch?
[22:00] <venome> never mind ... i suggest you try the card in another computer to be sure it works all right
[22:00] <venome> nope :)
[22:00] <venome> czech
[22:00] <holyguyver_> Well you are close to Russia then?
[22:00] <venome> no :)
[22:01] <venome> we are next to germany
[22:01] <holyguyver_> Closer then I am :p
[22:01] <venome> well, yea ...
[22:01] <holyguyver_> Austria & Poland are close to Germany.
[22:01] <venome> we are between austria and poland :D
[22:01] <venome> check eg. google earth
[22:02] <holyguyver_> Good to know, I don't know how I could have skipped Czech on my map :p
[22:02] <venome> hehe
[22:02] <holyguyver_> I love Austria too, & I have a friend who lives in Poland.
[22:05] <holyguyver_> weiner ist gut
[22:05] <venome> !arizona | holyguywer_
[22:06] <venome> alles ist gut rund hier :D
[22:06] <holyguyver_> venome, Arizona ist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona
[22:07] <venome> yea, i know arizona ... been there
[22:07] <venome> i was just kidding
[22:07] <holyguyver_> Czech is to Austria as Arizona is to Mexico.
[22:08] <venome> well...might be
[22:10] <holyguyver_> My favorite musical play is wein-Germanic, it is called Tanz der Vampire. I am always translating it for my friends.
[22:11] <bytor4232> hey guys, can you take the offtopic conversation to #xubuntu-offtopic please
[22:11] <bytor4232> We appreciate it.  We try to keep this channel for support only.
[22:11] <venome> sure, sry :)
[22:11] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, So do you know how to help me with my SD card?
[22:12] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: did you format the card?
[22:12] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: it isn't ntfs is it?
[22:12] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, No not yet.
[22:13] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, my computer can read ntfs as I have ntfs-3g installed.
[22:13] <venome> bytor4232: holyguyver_ said his card is woking in his camera, so it is formatted
[22:14] <holyguyver_> & it is working well in my camera
[22:14] <holyguyver_> But even Windows vista asks me to format the card.
[22:14] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: heres what you do
[22:14] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: poweroff your machine, let it boot all the way up
[22:14] <holyguyver_> done that
[22:15] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: after its booted all the way, put the card in your reader, and pastebin the output of dmesg
[22:15] <holyguyver_> done that
[22:15] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: send all of that in a private message to me.
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'll look it over when I get home tonight.
[22:16] <holyguyver_> I pastebinned it to Catoptromancy  & venome
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'll still be online, as I'm on line 24/7, but I'm not always in front of my kbd.
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: My irc client runs in screen on my primary machine.
[22:17] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'm commuting, then dinner, but I'll be online after that.
[22:18] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, I will try & find where I said all of it to the other two guys & just repost it all to you from earlier, hopefully I wll not turn off my irc befoe you get back :p
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> /dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> heh
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> you only run Vista and Ubuntu
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> but you have mysterious vfat partition
[22:19] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I don't run vista, it is just on my harddrive as I never deleted that partiition, but I never use it either.
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> Vista would not be vfat
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> Win2000 isnt vfat
[22:19] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I have a 1TB external harddrive in ntfs format.
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> what /dev/sda6?
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> whats /dev/sda6?
[22:20] <Catoptromancy> its vfat
[22:20] <Catoptromancy> vfat is most likely format of sdcard
[22:20] <holyguyver_> the 1TB is the ontrack
[22:20] <holyguyver_> the sd is 2gb
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> ontrack is /dev/sda1
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> err sdb
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sda6 /mnt/sdcard
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> try that
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> oh wiat
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> thatsa already mounted?
[22:22] <holyguyver_> Is it?
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> pastebin is only putput of mount not dmesg
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> wont hurt to remount twice,
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> acxutllay
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> dont
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> I got it
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> /dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat (
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> ls /media/disk
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> your sd card is in /media/disk
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> i think
[22:24] <holyguyver_> Now in my mnt/sdcard folder all I get is a recycle.bin or whatever.
[22:25] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?
[22:33] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, Is that a good sign?
[22:33] <Catoptromancy> look in /media/disk
[22:33] <Catoptromancy> something of vfat format is in there
[22:35] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, Yes the same recycle.bin folder
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> try card again in camera
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> take a picture
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> and put it back in computer
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> after
[22:38] <holyguyver_> Alright Catoptromancy
[22:38] <holyguyver_> Nothing changed
[22:39] <holyguyver_> I recorded one video & took 2 pictures, but they are not showing up in that mounted valume.
[22:44] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, ?
[22:44] <Catoptromancy> cd /media/disk
[22:44] <Catoptromancy> ls -a
[22:46] <holyguyver_> ls -a.  ..  $RECYCLE.BIN
[22:48] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?
[22:48] <Myrtti> mm_202: it doesn't do that already?
[22:48] <mm_202> nope :(
[22:48] <mm_202> Thats the only thing that I dont like about it.
[22:57] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, So the things I recorded are not showing up in there.
[22:58] <holyguyver_> But they are showing up in the camera
[22:58] <Catoptromancy> pastebin whole dmesg
[22:59] <holyguyver_> what camand do I do Catoptromancy
[22:59] <Catoptromancy> dmesg
[23:01] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I cannot it was larger then what terminal can hold, I need to do that output into file thing.
[23:01] <holyguyver_> But I forgot the cammand to do that.
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ cd ~/
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg > file
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> mousepad file heh
[23:03] <holyguyver_> So if I want it to go to desktop & be called dmesg.txt I will put what Catoptromancy ?
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> cd ~/
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> takes you to desktop
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> dmesg > file
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> dump dmesg into a file called "file"
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> mousepad file  open the file in mousepad
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> cd ~/
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg > dmesg.txt
[23:07] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48172/
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> what kind of camera?
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> brand model
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> its not using a stanrd fat filesystem I guess
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> [22919.860649] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> [22919.860655] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc1.
[23:10] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, it is adigigr8
[23:10] <Catoptromancy> that exact name?
[23:11] <holyguyver_> no, the a stuck
[23:11] <holyguyver_> digigr8
[23:11] <holyguyver_> that exact name
[23:12] <holyguyver_> digigr8 dv 182
[23:13] <holyguyver_> digigr8 dv182
[23:13] <holyguyver_> That is brand & model
[23:15] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, so that is it.
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> google parts of dmesg that relate to the errors
[23:18] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, it is already mounted remember
[23:18] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, what errors?
[23:19] <holyguyver_> & google doesn;t like you to call it that, it is called web search.
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> verb
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> 1. 	search the internet (for information) using the Google search engine;
[23:20] <holyguyver_> all of the errors I see are USB related & this is not a USB.
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> look at bottom
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> of pastebin
[23:21] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, google doesn't like people using that term though because it could void their trademark on the word google, they have asked people to stop using it, & also I am sorry but I only go by dictionaries pre-1900.
[23:23] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, the only errors I see towards the bottom are errors having to do with Pidgin, ones like this [24017.130116] pidgin[17748] general protection eip:b764e4ac esp:bf916e68 error:0
[23:25] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I think I found it, would it be the errors that start with the word sd?
[23:37] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, anything?
[23:42] <Catoptromancy> i think your camera uses a modified fat fs
[23:45] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, my camera says in its manual that it works with Win98/2000/xp/vista, Maz OSX, & Linux 2.14
[23:47] <favro> Linux 2.14 is pretty old...
[23:48] <Catoptromancy> you plug sdcard in computer? Can you directly plug camera into computer
[23:52] <holyguyver_> Yes
[23:53] <holyguyver_> The computer reacts to it same way it does to the card
[23:54] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I think I am going to go to bed, I am tired.
[23:56] <DCPom> how do you enable pidgin notification bubbles?
[23:58] <DCPom> i did it in ub but when i reinstalled the OS as xub i couldn't figure out hoe
[23:58] <DCPom> how
[23:59] <holyguyver_> DCPom, it is a plugin called Giuifications (I misspelled it I am sure)