[00:01] <Jakethepython> Fixed, this machine has a duel boot the other O/S never reliquished the drive correclty
[00:14] <eqw> How to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.04.1 ?
[00:14] <leftyfb> eqw: just do your normal updates
[00:16] <eqw> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:18] <lapidary> why would it not be do-release-upgrade?
[00:18] <leftyfb> that is to upgrade to a new release of ubuntu
[00:19] <leftyfb> XX.XX.1 is a point release update. Not a full release. You get those just from doing normal updates
[00:20] <leftyfb> eqw: cat /etc/issue
[00:20] <eqw>  Ubuntu 20.04 LTS \n \l
[00:20] <eqw> I got the system via debootstrap
[00:20] <eqw> so it is necessary install extra packages for do-release-upgrade
[00:27] <eqw> https://termbin.com/chn8
[00:28] <leftyfb> eqw: you don't have focal-updates repo enabled
[00:30] <eqw> leftyfb: what is the most sane way to get the most usual /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[00:30] <leftyfb> eqw: install ubuntu
[00:33] <leftyfb> eqw: https://termbin.com/6xw5o
[00:34] <eqw> thank you
[00:34] <eqw> it is strange that debootstrap did not generate his
[00:35] <lone-pine> How do I reset a password for a user created using useradd? This is for a chroot/debootstrap ubuntu install running inside an arch host. I didn't create a password when I ran useradd, but now it's asking for the password when I try to change it.
[00:36] <leftyfb> lone-pine: passwd <username>
[00:37] <leftyfb> lone-pine: if you're not root, then you'll need sudo
[00:37] <leftyfb> lone-pine: you'll need to be root or logged in with a user with sudo privs that has a password or has a config set in sudoers to allow using sudo without asking for the password
[00:38] <lone-pine> leftyfb, I figured it out. I exited the "su" session and returned to root, and from there I could change the password without knowing it
[00:39] <lone-pine> My next puzzle is to figure out how to get a shared clipboard in a chroot
[00:43] <lapidary> does anyone know what apparmor is? I get the general ida, but what can it block?
[00:44] <derpadmin> not sure as it never got in my way
[00:44] <derpadmin> never bother to learn it
[00:44] <derpadmin> unlike selinux...
[00:46] <lapidary> I see some error messages in syslog before SSH is unavable, I ssh in reverse and I have connection again.  Can this be related?
[00:49] <leftyfb> lapidary: pastebin the error messages you're referring to. Just saying "some error messages" doesn't help
[00:51] <jadax> Hi, I've got some relatively new Intel NUC and I want to make it a very simple media center - let it just play music from firefox web browser. I would like to make it boot as fast as possible, thinking of enabling wake-on-lan. Do you know of any tricks/tutorials on how to speed up the boot time for such a simple system?
[00:51] <lapidary> https://pastebin.com/s9P0jYnP
[00:51] <jadax> also, would you recommend any particular flavor over others?
[00:52] <leftyfb> lapidary: those are apparmor messages about a bitcoin snap package. Nothing to do with ssh
[00:53] <lapidary> okay, so unrelated.  I was trying to make sure
[00:53] <jadax> I could cut time on grub 5 sec timeout, I figured
[00:53] <jadax> or maybe I should use different distro than Ubuntu?
[00:54] <leftyfb> !ot | jadax
[00:54] <jadax> leftyfb my nick is registered
[00:55] <leftyfb> jadax: please join #ubuntu-offopic for non-support questions
[01:11] <signofzeta> hello, how can I enable support for extra mouse buttons in Ubuntu 20.04? there's an article on help.ubuntu.com, but that seems to cover X, not Wayland. running the commands shows a warning about how it might not work under Wayland.
[02:39] <k_sze> In Ubuntu 18.04, I can change the screen brightness via Settings -> Power -> Power Saving -> Screen brightness, but the screen brightness hotkeys on my laptop's built-in keyboard don't actually work.
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | k_sze probably
[04:29] <Mibix> can't seem to figure out why nginx keeps crashing
[04:30] <Mibix> the /var/log/nginx/error.log doesnt seem to show anything critical
[04:30] <Mibix> just upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> Mibix: on ubuntu server?
[04:30] <Mibix> just ubuntu
[04:30] <Mibix> love me some gui :p
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Mibix: you might wanna talk to teward he's our nginx wizard
[04:35] <Mibix> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xz5TCj428K/
[04:41] <Mibix> hmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+bug/1897561
[04:43] <matsaman> kewl
[04:44] <Mibix> guess its happening to a lot of people not sure what the fix is though heh
[04:49] <matsaman> if you really can't wait you can probably take the patch in the github issue and combine it with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[04:52] <Mibix> wait for a new Perl release?
[04:53] <matsaman> a new build for Ubuntu, yeah
[04:55] <Mibix> heh i'll wait a few more days before i dive down that path
[04:57] <matsaman> I can also imagine that perl might not be strictly required for nginx and one could theoretically disable its support temporarily
[04:57]  * matsaman shrugs
[05:05] <Mibix> yeah i dont know how to do that either :D
[07:34] <brahmana> Hi, I have two servers running Xenial (16.04). A few days back I updated the `ruby` (ruby2.3) on one of them and it gave me Ruby version 2.3.8. However today when I try to do the same on the second machine, I only see Ruby 2.3.1. I see the same in packages.ubuntu.com also. Did something change for that package or am I missing something in my apt
[07:34] <brahmana> configuration?
[07:55] <brahmana> In case somebody answered my question or is looking at it, please ignore. The machine where I see ruby 2.3.8 being available, it is using a PPA (from BrightBox) to get it.
[08:23] <k_sze> Does anybody know what the "H" in "H.264" stands for?
[08:25] <k_sze> I know that there are also a whole bunch of other H.XXX standards. But I never could find out what the "H" stands for.
[08:25] <felixi> how do i make live ubuntu usb with persistent data storage?
[08:25] <memoryleak> k_sze: https://www.vcodex.com/news/what-does-the-h-in-h264-stand-for/
[08:26] <memoryleak> So basically for nothing, just an enumeration
[08:28] <k_sze> memoryleak, yeah, I know the "H" series is audio visual and multimedia. But why "H"? I was hoping there's a reason. :P
[08:28] <memoryleak> Sometimes an H is just an H :P
[08:29] <k_sze> I mean, there seems to be neither B nor C series for some reason: https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC/en
[08:29] <memoryleak> Maybe the H stands for HAHA no meaning
[08:29] <k_sze> lols
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> thats not an ubuntu issues guys
[08:29] <k_sze> No W series either.
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[08:30] <k_sze> Oh wait, I thought I clicked the #ubuntu-offtopic channel. sorry.
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> felixi: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-persistent-ubuntu-usb-stick-using-mkusb-tool
[08:50] <new> Hu
[08:50] <new> Hu
[08:50] <new> Hi
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> welcome new
[08:56] <Maik> hi new if you have a support question just ask, wait and see if someone is able to help and offtopic chit-chat can be done in #ubuntu-offtopic. :)
[09:38] <ubuusr> hi, new laptop, all I hear from my mic is static noise, ideas ?
[09:50] <Miles8of9> while upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04 i'm getting this error
[09:50] <Miles8of9> While scanning your repository information no entry about eoan could
[09:50] <Miles8of9> be found.
[09:50] <Miles8of9> An upgrade might not succeed. Do you want to continue anyway?
[09:50] <Miles8of9> i'm not migrating from eoan...
[09:51] <Miles8of9> all my sources.list entries are about focal
[09:55] <mgedmin> what about the ones in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list ?
[09:57] <Miles8of9> empty nothing there
[10:05] <mgedmin> how are you doing the upgrade?
[10:05] <mgedmin> if you're on 18.04, your sources.list entries should mention bionic, not focal
[10:05] <mgedmin> you're not supposed to edit sources.list manually during upgrades; update-manager/do-release-upgrade will do that for you
[10:07] <pwuertz> Hi, when connecting to a VPN server with OpenVPN, some mechanism in Ubuntu configures an IPv6 address and a IPv6 default route for the `tap0` device. I'm pretty sure this is not caused by the OpenVPN client (disabled all the corresponding options, nothing in the debug output), so who is doing this?
[10:20] <pwuertz> Also, I configured Network Manager to treat `tap0` as `unmanaged`, and I uninstalled avahi. So who else is doing Network Configuration in Ubuntu in the background?
[10:20] <Miles8of9> i ran do-release-upgrade
[10:21] <Miles8of9> the error shows when upgrade should almost be complete...
[10:22] <Atahualpa> hi guys
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome Atahualpa
[10:25] <Atahualpa> So, I'm trying to upgrade from 18.04.5 lts to 20.04.x lts. I tried to upgrade for weeks now, but without success. The update manager is telling me that I have broken packages, however when I looked into Muon Package Manager I didn't find one single broken packages or held back packages.
[10:26] <ikonia> you probably have broken packages as part of the upgrade
[10:26] <ikonia> not ones that exist on your system already
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: wich error?
[10:26] <ikonia> eg: ugrading a package from a->b breaks it
[10:26] <mgedmin> pwuertz: the kernel itself is setting up link-local IPv6 addresses
[10:26] <mgedmin> but I wouldn't expect a default route
[10:27] <Miles8of9> While scanning your repository information no entry about eoan could be found. An upgrade might not succeed. Do you want to continue anyway?
[10:28] <Miles8of9> i was using bionic not eoan
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: do you have still leftovers from eoan?
[10:28] <Miles8of9> never installed eoan
[10:28] <Miles8of9> installed bionic and now i was trying to upgrade to focal
[10:29] <Miles8of9> but upgrade can't continue!
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: what about external ppa's with packages that could have been meant for eoan?
[10:29] <Miles8of9> never installed packages from eoan
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: did you ever add external ppa's to your system?
[10:30] <Miles8of9> not me... maybe the previous admin... but sources.list now has only focal repos
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: when external repos arent cleaned out properly, its possible there are package leftovers
[10:31] <pwuertz> @mgedmin I'm also getting two 2001:470: addresses. I'm not fluent in IPv6, but those aren't link local, are they?
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> with ppapurge for example
[10:31] <Miles8of9> i can't know what he did...
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: did apt have errors before you started the ltsupgrade?
[10:32] <Miles8of9> no
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: in wich stage are you now?
[10:32] <mgedmin> pwuertz: no, they're not -- still, IPv6 supposedly has autoconfiguration, maybe the router at the other end of the tunnel is advertising something?
[10:32] <mgedmin> pwuertz: I'm even less fluent in IPv6 given that no ISP in Lithuania is offering IPv6 connectivity to clients :/
[10:33] <Miles8of9> package upgrade... a package upgrade failed... roundcube... which i never used or installed
[10:34] <Miles8of9> he surely did something strange... for example i can't create files or set permissions on some directories even if i'm root! that's VERY strange
[10:34] <pwuertz> mgedmin I'm pretty sure I disabled all those via OpenVpn options `pull-filter ignore redirect-gateway
[10:35] <Miles8of9> and he installed an awful system management thing... "ispconfig"...
[10:36] <Atahualpa> here is the pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gTKBFXVpnw/
[10:36] <Miles8of9> which maybe screwed up things
[10:36] <Atahualpa> where can i paste some images ?
[10:37] <Miles8of9> selinux is installed but sestatus says it's disabled...
[10:37] <ikonia> selinux is redhat normally
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: backup your /home, try to ppapurge leftovers, and sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade to hopefully continue 20.04.1
[10:37] <ikonia> it's not installed by default on ubuntu
[10:38] <mgedmin> Atahualpa: imgur.com or pasteboard.ca
[10:43] <Atahualpa> https://imgur.com/a/0UnbH62
[10:44] <Atahualpa> So, any idea why I can't upgrade?
[10:45] <ikonia> what's the actual error
[10:47] <Atahualpa> ikonia: Could not calculate the upgrade
[10:47] <Atahualpa> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[10:47] <Atahualpa> This was likely caused by:
[10:47] <Atahualpa> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[10:47] <Atahualpa> Please use the tool 'ppa-purge' from the ppa-purge
[10:47] <Atahualpa> package to remove software from a Launchpad PPA and
[10:48] <ikonia> Atahualpa: have you purged the repos as the error says
[10:55] <Atahualpa> Sorry, I had some connection issues.
[10:56] <Atahualpa> ikonia: i don't have anny ppa repos in my sources.list
[10:56] <Atahualpa> I removed manually any 3rd party repos
[10:56] <ikonia> did you purge the packages ?
[10:56] <ikonia> or did you just move the repos
[10:58] <dablitz> good morning channel. I was wondering if anyone can assist me. because my computer is looking for an ethernet connect boot time is really high. is there anyway i can turn this off. usung 20.04
[10:59] <Atahualpa> removed the entry for the repos
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: could you pastebin your: systemd-analyze critical-chain please?
[10:59] <ikonia> Atahualpa: so the packages will still break
[10:59] <ikonia> Atahualpa: and break bad as they won't have a repo to check for upgrades
[10:59] <ikonia> you're supposed to remove the packages
[10:59] <dablitz> lotuspsychje i can do that . one second
[10:59] <ikonia> hence 'ppa-purge'
[11:00] <mgedmin> this sort of mess during upgrades is why canonical is pushing for snap packages so hard
[11:00] <oerheks> mgedmin +1
[11:00] <Atahualpa> ikonia: ppa-purge on what ppa packages if i don't recall if i ever installed a ppa package?
[11:01] <ikonia> Atahualpa: you're missing the point
[11:01] <ikonia> Atahualpa: you need to remove all external repos an packages
[11:01] <mgedmin> if you have disabled the external repos
[11:01] <ikonia> ppa-purge is an example of how the PPA's are removed
[11:01] <mgedmin> you can find all installed packages that don't have matching versions in the ubuntu archives
[11:02] <oerheks> ppa-purge reverses those packages to the original ones.
[11:04] <dablitz> lotuspsychje --> https://pastebin.com/Qzh2JnnX
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: might be docker causing more delay on boot then networking
[11:06] <dablitz> lotuspsychje advice??? I really want to speed up my boot time
[11:07] <mgedmin> wow 1 minute 17 seconds, that's awful
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: can you elaborate about ' looking for an ethernet connect' ?
[11:08] <Miles8of9> ok... there were packages that needed uninstall... and a packages that wasn't installed that caused roundcube to crash the entire os upgrade!!! php7.4-mbstring..!! that's just crazy!
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: and what kind of purpose are you using docker for exactly?
[11:08] <mgedmin> why is graphical.target waiting for docker??
[11:09] <dablitz> on boot when I exit from splash and can see what is happening. Network find is waiting sometime up to 2 full minutes until it moves on. I will reboot the machine so I can get the exact term it is using
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Miles8of9: roundcube from the official repos, or ppa?
[11:09] <Miles8of9> looks like from official repo
[11:10] <dablitz> and I am not using docker at all. do not even remember installing it. this is a fresh 20.04 install
[11:10] <Miles8of9> could have been installed by the previous admin
[11:11] <mgedmin> dablitz: systemd-analyze blame might also be interesting
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: you are the owner of your system, you should know?
[11:11] <dablitz> yes I am the owner
[11:11] <mgedmin> anyway I would be very tempted to apt remove docker.io containerd and see if that helps
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> agree
[11:11] <dablitz> I will do that thank you
[11:11] <mgedmin> NetworkManager-wait-online.service doesn't even show up on the cricital chain
[11:13] <mgedmin> or you may want to systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/bootchart.svg and look at the chart
[11:13] <mgedmin> heh for me the kernel is responsible for 37 seconds of boot time (firmware 13s, bootlader 5s, userspace 10s)
[11:14] <mgedmin> I'm sure that time includes my typing the LUKS password
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: lovely times, i always install preload haveged stacer and tweak systemd & startup services to the max
[11:19] <Atahualpa> ikonia: I found the culprit.
[11:20] <Atahualpa> I'll let you all know on how is going on.
[11:24] <mgedmin> if this were a horror movie, that'd the last time anyone ever saw Atahualpa
[11:25] <oerheks> if this were a romantic movie, get a refund
[11:30] <marc_urling> Hello, did some make work CopyQ under Focal/ubuntu 20.x please?
[11:32] <oerheks> marc_urling, copyq is available, in the universe repo
[11:32] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/copyq
[11:33] <oerheks> and manual https://copyq.readthedocs.io/en/latest/basic-usage.html
[11:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> where can I find the drivers in ubuntu for this hardware: https://certification.ubuntu.com/catalog/component/06cb:00be
[11:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have the same fingerprint sesor in ideapad flex 5
[11:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> but its not working in 20.04
[11:35] <oerheks> i find no entry for '06cb:00be' in https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html and https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[11:35] <oerheks> so i guess it is not supported?
[11:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> then how come those systems are certified then?
[11:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> certified for ubuntu I mean
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: worth a try testing 20.10 with kernel 5.8 as a test
[11:37] <oerheks> not sure why certification would stop with this fingerprint device
[11:38] <Atlenohen> Hello
[11:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> I do not want to leave 20.04. I will install 5.8 kernel manually on this and test but I am not very hopefull.
[11:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfprint/+bug/1891974
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: i did not say install, worth a try testing
[11:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> A live usb would do?
[11:39] <Atlenohen> So I have Kubuntu 20.04 LTS and trying to install ECLIPSE IDE C++, extracted tar.gz and it doesn't have INSTALL folder or anything ,there's an exectuable that asks me to specify workspace folder and then it launches, so it's one of those no-install things?
[11:39] <mgedmin> the fingerprint sensor on my X390 needed a firmware update to start working on 20.04
[11:39] <mgedmin> (the firmware was released much later than 20.04 itself)
[11:39] <Atlenohen> it does have a "configuration" folder
[11:40] <Atlenohen> Readme says nothing about install, mostly about Windows
[11:40] <oerheks> Atlenohen, where did you get that ide? not from our repos, right?
[11:40] <Atlenohen> From the official website I think
[11:40] <Atlenohen> 123
[11:41] <Atlenohen> oops, im switching between screen inputs, typo
[11:41] <oerheks> we do have a snp version; https://snapcraft.io/eclipse
[11:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> mgedmin: I checked with firmware update and there are no updates available
[11:43] <Atlenohen> Oh wait
[11:43] <Atlenohen> I downloaded the C++ "package", so I still need the base IDE ?
[11:44] <Atlenohen> If it's a package ... it looks like a standalone thing tho
[11:44] <oerheks> Atlenohen, we don't know, we only support packages from our repos???
[11:44] <Atlenohen> I guess Eclipse is not part of Ubuntu repos you mean?
[11:44] <oerheks> did they provide any docs/howto?
[11:44] <oerheks> read back, we have a snap version
[11:45] <Atlenohen> Oh I'm on Kubuntu btw, not sure if i've seen SNAP, but Discover is equivalent right?
[11:46] <Atlenohen> I'm fresh to ubuntu/kubuntu, i've been on Linux Mint Cinnamon/Mate for 5 years in the past so sorry for the noob questions
[11:48] <dablitz> lotuspsychje --> https://pastebin.com/5zyHJfNC <-- I was looking at the wrong computer. sometime I get the systems mixed up during teamviewer remote
[11:48] <dablitz> just so you know I am a ham operator. htese are all my remote radio locations "VE3AGS"
[11:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> whoop! that 20.10 download is 2.7 gigs. even with zsync of saturday's lubuntu daily, this is 1.8 gigs. I don't have that much data left for the day. blessed be this cursed pandemic!
[11:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> i will try tomorrow
[11:54] <dablitz> need coffee..anyone else??
[11:56]  * mgedmin but tea
[11:58]  * The_LoudSpeaker badly needs a coffee.
[12:00] <dablitz> The_LoudSpeaker .... I have a hot pot just finished brewing---lol
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:08] <MoL0ToV> hi there is a way to disable media check test during liveusb bootup?
[12:08] <MoL0ToV> tacking very long time
[12:09] <frostschutz> you should be able to abort it with Ctrl-C
[12:09] <oerheks> MoL0ToV, why disable such important check?
[12:10] <MoL0ToV> i'm rebooting 100 Times because i'm cloning sata disks with dd
[12:10] <MoL0ToV> and every time locks on this media check without any reason
[12:13] <dablitz> MoL0ToV have you ever tried cloning with clonezilla...I use it all the time and work perfect for me everytime
[12:14] <styx-tdo__> MoL0ToV, if clonezilla is too boring, try ddrescue
[12:14] <oerheks> i would question the media you put the iso on.. or run a check against the downloaded iso
[12:15] <boredguy> I keep trying to format a disk and write files to it but the disk fails to mount on both windows and ubuntu with the error "superblock not found".
[12:15] <boredguy> Is the drive likely a goner?
[12:16] <MoL0ToV> frostschutz ctrl+c works tankyou
[12:17] <MoL0ToV> dd works perfectly i dont need clonezilla or others tankyou
[12:18] <frostschutz> dd does not handle read errors well, gnu ddrescue is more reliable, ymmv
[12:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> since this https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/202009-28250 showed oem kernel. I tried installing linux-oem-20.04 on my flex 5 but the fingerprint sensor still doesn't work. :/
[12:28] <oerheks> that fingerprint will not work, indeed.
[12:28] <oerheks> but people are working on it..
[12:31] <boredguy> Anyone know what the problem with my hard disk was? I tried ext4, exfat and ntfs. I'm pretty sure its dying now.
[12:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> oerheks: yes, I see a bug in oem priority project: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority?field.searchtext=Synaptics+06cb%3A00be&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&
[12:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[12:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> but its at low priority
[12:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> guess I will have to wait
[12:32] <oerheks> boredguy, run a test on it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[12:38] <boredguy> Tried that a long time ago.  Didn't really help.
[13:10] <oerheks> boredguy, then you have your answer, replace disk
[13:25] <Atahualpa> So, finally I'm running 20.04.x lts.
[13:28] <mgedmin> congrats!
[13:28] <Atahualpa> However, I'm not happy that the upgrade removed Amarok from my system and in some apps like Inkscape I don't see the toolbar because of some issues with the theme I use(Breeze Dark).
[13:29] <Atahualpa> mgedmin: yeah, thank you!
[13:29] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/inkscape
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> Atahualpa: clementine to the rescue
[13:30] <Atahualpa> lotuspsychje: don't like it. nor elisa.
[13:31] <Atahualpa> btw, is there a way to re-install amarok ?
[13:31] <oerheks> amarok is dead..
[13:32] <oerheks> march 2018 .. https://community.kde.org/Amarok/GettingStarted/Download/Source
[13:33] <Atahualpa> i see
[13:34] <oerheks> i like clementine as it can handle huge collections fine.
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Atahualpa: xmms looks also a bit amarok-ish
[13:36] <mgedmin> xmms is a winamp clone
[13:39] <Atahualpa> lotuspsychje: it's about habit and about using an application for a very long time
[13:39] <Atahualpa> but i'll give a try to elisa and if i don't like it i'll switch to vlc
[13:41] <BluesKaj> vlc is great for my needs, I don't bother with playlists etc so....
[13:42] <Atahualpa> BluesKaj: me neither.
[13:43] <oerheks> i wonder, why google-chrome on linux behaves differently than mac/windows, no adds between youtube playlist numbers.
[13:43] <Atahualpa> but still...
[13:51] <Atahualpa> is there any way to move an open app from the secondary monitor to the main monitor using keyboard shortcuts?
[13:51] <deadk> G
[13:52] <deadk> (sorry, typo)
[13:53] <Atahualpa> where I can configure keyboard shortcuts for this?
[13:55] <Atahualpa> and how can I reorder the icons from system tray ?
[13:55] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
[13:55] <oerheks> i have no idea howto order icons on the systray.
[13:56] <oerheks> Shift+Super+Page Up Move the current window to a different workspace
[13:56] <oerheks> or maybe ; Shift+Super+←  Move the current window one monitor to the left.
[14:03] <Atahualpa> oerheks: thank you.
[14:21] <stavros> Hello
[14:22] <stavros> I ran apt-get update but now my system boots in safe graphics mode and the journal says there's a mismatch between the NVIDIA driver version and the kernel version
[14:22] <stavros> What can I do? Reinstalling everything hasn't compiled the kernel to the compatible version
[14:22] <stavros> "mismatch: the client has the version 455.23.04, but this kernel module has the version 450.66.  Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version."
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> stavros: are you using the driver from the ubuntu repos?
[14:25] <stavros> lotuspsychje, yes
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> stavros: have you tryed a driver switch yet?
[14:25] <stavros> Yes, none of them works, the kernel version remains the same
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-driver-455
[14:27] <rtyuio> hi there
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> stavros: does your card support 435?
[14:28] <stavros> http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-455/
[14:29] <rtyuio> i try to migrate my wordpress site from server1 to server2, after migration of data and lamp server setup on my server2 here what i got in ps -aux on server 2 :
[14:29] <stavros> lotuspsychje, hmm, I'm guessing, though I'm not sure why the kernel doesn't get recompiled
[14:29] <rtyuio> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hxkWP7rpdY/
[14:29] <rtyuio> here it is for server1 : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cW3bSJCz3H/
[14:29] <stavros> lotuspsychje, apparently it was working fine with 450, since the kernel seems to be compiled with that version
[14:30] <rtyuio> what else i need to load ?
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> stavros: ok lets check some bugs on 455, holdon
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> stavros: meanwhile doublecheck: ubuntu-drivers list, if your card supports it
[14:32] <stavros> lotuspsychje, 455 or 435?
[14:32] <stavros> It supports both
[14:32] <stavros> I do see it in the driver selector GUI list as well
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> stavros: if you say 450 worked well, its probably a bug on 455
[14:33] <stavros_> lotuspsychje, yes but I tried to downgrade to 450 and got a different version than the one in the kernel too
[14:33] <stavros_> Initially I was on 450 when it broke, and the message was something like "you have 450.78 but the kernel has 450.66"
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> stavros_: the ubuntu graphics ppa should be safe, and not give mismatches, hence why i suspect something with 455
[14:34] <stavros_> Hmm
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> stavros_: wich kernel/ubuntu release are you on?
[14:35] <Stavros> lotuspsychje: 5.4.0-48-generic
[14:35] <ioria> stavros_,  try to update the initramfs: sudo update-initramfs -c -k `uname -r`  and reboot
[14:35] <Stavros> On focal
[14:35] <Stavros> Hmm, let me try that
[14:37] <Stavros> Rebooting...
[14:39] <Stavros> No dice, the kernel version is the same, even with 430
[14:39] <Stavros> 435, sorry
[14:39] <Stavros> How can I upgrade from the command line, to check for any error output?
[14:40] <ioria> Stavros, sudo apt update && duso apt full-upgrade
[14:40] <ioria> Stavros, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:42] <Stavros> @ioria: no packages to upgrade
[14:42] <ioria> Stavros, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> Stavros: perhaps 455 from the graphics ppa conflicts still with ubuntu-drivers
[14:47] <Stavros> lotuspsychje: unlikely, the problem happened with 450 initially... Now it says: " mismatch: the client has the version 450.80.02, but this kernel module has the version 450.66.  Please"
[14:48] <Stavros> So the kernel is just not updating
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> Stavros: try a switch to 435 first, then go back to 450 and pastebin us the apt errors plz
[14:49] <Stavros> How do install the driver with apt?
[14:50] <ioria> Stavros, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[14:50] <oerheks> yes, that info ioria asked for, is important
[14:50] <ioria> Stavros, 88 is the repo version; 666 the ppa one
[14:51] <ioria> *66
[14:51] <Stavros> nvidia-driver-450                                           450.80.02-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:52] <Stavros> There are various other versions of various other components as well
[14:52] <Stavros> I'm not sure which package you wanted the version for
[14:52] <ioria> Stavros, can you paste the cmd output or not ?
[14:52] <ioria> Stavros, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:52] <oerheks> dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999   # would give an URL
[14:52] <Stavros> https://www.pastery.net/uypxcy/
[14:53] <ioria> Stavros, apt-cache policy  nvidia-driver-450
[14:55] <Stavros> nvidia-driver-450
[14:55] <Stavros> Err
[14:55] <Stavros> https://www.pastery.net/uravfy/
[14:55] <Stavros> Should I maybe remove that PPA?
[14:57] <ioria> Stavros, for now, i'd just purge nvidia; ppa-purge that ppa ans start over
[14:58] <Stavros> Is that the official PPA, or just something I added?
[14:58] <ioria> Stavros, something you added
[14:59] <Stavros> ioria: oh, oops
[15:00] <ioria> Stavros, most probably a DKMS bug
[15:00] <Stavros> Hm right
[15:02] <theboda> Hey everybody, I'm trying to set up e-mail notifications from zed (ZFS event daemon) to my personal e-mail address. Here are the config files of msmtprc and zed.rc and error messages https://www.pastery.net/dtpxpz/ I can send e-mails in the cli, but when zed is trying to send an email the recipient of the e-mail is wrong. It's the local user name of the machine zed is running on. Any suggestions how to fix that?
[15:02] <theboda> https://www.pastery.net/kpqcxx/
[15:03] <Mibix> is there an easy way to apply this fix at the bottom? https://github.com/Perl/perl5/issues/17154
[15:38] <sadbot> Can we trust cannonical ?
[15:38] <oerheks> interesting, do you trust our answer?
[15:38] <strive> This is #ubuntu afterall...
[15:39] <oerheks> wait, am i talking to a silly bot ...
[15:40] <oerheks> !topic
[15:40] <leftyfb> can someone remove the spamming bot?
[15:41] <ikonia> sadbot: is a bot ?
[15:41] <sadbot> ikonia:  am not a bot
[15:41] <sadbot> Only my name has bot.
[15:41] <leftyfb> !support | sadbot
[15:41] <ikonia> yeah, didn't see anything bot-like beyond the name
[15:42] <sadbot> ikonia: i can prove i am human
[15:42] <ikonia> it's fine - I believe you
[15:43] <sadbot> ikonia: i am just got irritated by snapd behavior .Therefore i git skeptical on canonical intensions .
[15:43] <ikonia> that's not really a realistic view, because you're stuggling you question a companies intension, but that's up to you
[15:48] <Mibix> is there a way i can install perl 5.32
[15:48] <Mibix> 5.30 is broken on 20.04
[15:48] <ikonia> I doubt it's 'broken'
[15:48] <ikonia> and you can install whatever perl version if you want if you find a repo that hosts it and you're happy with it's support position
[15:49] <Stavros> theboda: hey, how come you use pastery?
[15:50] <Mibix> https://github.com/Perl/perl5/issues/17154
[15:50] <Mibix> tis broked
[15:51] <ikonia> ok - so the perl version has a problem, rather than ubuntu's build
[15:53] <Mibix> yeah sorry that is what i mean
[15:53] <Mibix> and 5.32 is out but not in the ubuntu repo
[15:54] <ikonia> so I'd check if it's in the Debian repo yet (doubtful) and if it is, raise an ubuntu bug to do a version increase, which I'd say is unlikley to get approved and more likely will just be part of the next release
[15:54] <ikonia> (but that's just my personal opinion)
[15:55] <Mibix> is there a way to apply that patch at the bottom of that github?
[15:55] <oerheks> indeed, bugfixes are backported though
[15:55] <Mibix> never done that before
[15:55] <Stavros> ioria, lotuspsychje: looks like we found the problem: "Module build for kernel 5.4.0-26-generic was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed."
[15:55] <ikonia> Mibix: if you want to build and compile your own perl version, sure
[15:55] <oerheks> file a SRU ?
[15:55] <oerheks> !sru
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> Stavros: -26 is a previous kernel
[15:56] <ioria> Stavros, you dais *48 was in use
[15:56] <Stavros> lotuspsychje: Yeah but it said the same for all of them
[15:56] <ioria> *said
[15:56] <Mibix> hmm what about going back to an earlier non broken version? would that be easier
[15:56] <ikonia> Mibix: nope
[15:56] <Mibix> lol
[15:56] <Mibix> lovely
[15:56] <felixi> Mibix: you could build from source. The usual chant goes ./configure ; make ; sudo make install . Iirc you were linked to a tutorial earlier when you said your nginx was failing because of perl?
[15:57] <ikonia> you should never just type those commmands
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> Mibix: this morning you had a nginx bug, this evening its perl?
[15:57] <ikonia> esspeically for perl which has a different build method
[15:57] <felixi> thanks for pointing that out ;)
[15:57] <Mibix> no its perl causing nginx and other things to crash lotuspsychje
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> Mibix: did you talk to teward about it yet, as adviced this morning?
[15:58] <teward> *spits on lotuspsychje for the random ping*
[15:58] <Mibix> no i havent
[15:58] <teward> lotuspsychje: if you're pinging me I need more context
[15:58] <teward> ERR:LimitedScrollbackOnPhoneAndTablet
[15:59] <Stavros> lotuspsychje: that's odd, "linux-headers-5.4.0-48-generic is already the newest version (5.4.0-48.52)."
[15:59] <Mibix> it is crashing my zoneminder as well as my nginx now
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> teward: mibix has a nginx bug, he will pass you details
[15:59] <Mibix> teward https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xz5TCj428K/
[16:00] <teward> Mibix: you have an underlying libperl segfault
[16:00] <teward> that's not an nginx issue, that's a perl problem
[16:01] <teward> or, you're loading some kind of perl thing that is breaking
[16:01] <Mibix> yeah i know :(
[16:01] <teward> Mibix: what OS version, and where did you get NGINX from?
[16:01] <Mibix> https://github.com/Perl/perl5/issues/17154
[16:01] <Mibix> 20.04
[16:01] <teward> and installed NGINX from... where?
[16:02] <Mibix> from the ubuntu repo
[16:02] <Mibix> Version: 1.18.0-0ubuntu1
[16:03] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+bug/1897561
[16:03] <Mibix> yar
[16:04] <teward> interesting.  yeah that's a Perl problem, a fix would need to come via Perl, but I haven't been able to replicate in 20.04.
[16:04] <teward> i'll do some testing locally in a VM and see if I can replicate it here.
[16:04] <teward> ... once I kick libvirt because it no longer lets me use vmdks.
[16:05] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. I have a stupid question: I have a Toshiba Satellite kinda old, with an AMD E-300 CPU (yeah, I know) and 4Gb of RAM. trying to use it for something instead sending it to the trash. do you think that the laptop has enough power to run Ubuntu Server with just a few applications such as PostgreSQL, MySQL?
[16:07] <PeGaSuS> my idea is to create my own cloud of sorts. just to run a few test bots and stuff like that
[16:09] <oerheks> sure, 4gb would b enough with that AMD E-300 duo core
[16:09] <Mibix> so i take it im just stuck for now teward heh
[16:10] <teward> Mibix: yeah.  this is just from the installation without any customized configurations?
[16:10] <teward> just bare stock system?
[16:10] <lapidary> I am trying to manually update my system but there is another pid running apt-get -qq -y update I try killing it, and it starts again.
[16:10] <PeGaSuS> oerheks: I assume I can use WiFi instead Ethernet also? the Ethernet port, well, it's ruined..
[16:11] <Mibix> teward no i have some sites running but there arent any errors in the nginx logs and it was running fine before the update
[16:11] <lapidary> this is a new install of ubuntu server 20.4.1 LTS
[16:11] <teward> > before the update
[16:11] <teward> Mibix: before the update to what from what?
[16:11] <teward> Mibix: you mean latest Perl patches or something?
[16:11] <oerheks> a wireless server can be done, i hope it does not handle many users.
[16:12] <Mibix> I did a ton of updates and then updated from 18.04 to 20.04
[16:12] <PeGaSuS> oerheks: nah. it is to be only for me, basically.
[16:13] <mgedmin> my mail server until 2018 was an old 400 MHz Pentium desktop with 256 MB  of RAM
[16:14] <PeGaSuS> well, I'm going to download the ISO and then burn it into the USB
[16:14] <PeGaSuS> and then I'll see if I can make it work over WiFi, since Ethernet is out of bounds
[16:15] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:16] <PeGaSuS> stupid question.. when booting the server, do we need to login or that's automatically done?
[16:16] <oerheks> the 'services' start on boot. no need to login, actually
[16:17] <PeGaSuS> that's great! exactly what I want. basically I need a set-up and forget :)
[16:17] <oerheks> well, you need to maintain it with updates.
[16:19] <teward> Mibix: so you upgraded 18.04 to 20.04 then
[16:19] <teward> because I can't replicate on *fresh* 20.04
[16:19] <PeGaSuS> yeah, I know. but I don't want to need to login to make the laptop having internet connection, as example
[16:21] <teward> Mibix: without a minimum reproducible example I don't think we can debug this issue or test to confirm.
[16:21] <teward> i'm trying to on my end but ERR:NOREPRO on fresh 20.04 install (not upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04)
[16:22] <Mibix> hmm
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> Mibix: did you file the bug yourself?
[16:22] <Mibix> no i dont know how to do that :p
[16:25] <Mibix> seems like there are quite a few people with the issue based on that github though
[16:25] <teward> lotuspsychje: not sure if you saw my poke in #ubuntu-server
[16:25] <teward> but with no reproduction instructions on either nginx or perl to try and reproduce it I can't even begin to identify if it's a problem
[16:26] <teward> because nginx is not linked to libperl directly at all in 20.04
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> teward: i did
[16:26] <oerheks> nginx-extra?
[16:26] <teward> oerheks: no ldd links to libperl in the nginx binary
[16:26] <teward> if it's pulled in from another module that module would explicitly need enabled
[16:26] <teward> and in which case we need MPEs
[16:26] <Mibix> hold on teward i can PM you some of my configs for nginx
[16:26] <teward> Minimum Produceable Examples
[16:27] <teward> MREs*  Minimum Reproducible Examples
[16:33] <lapidary> what displays the parent process
[16:35] <ikonia> what do you mean what displays it ?
[16:35] <ikonia> in what context
[16:36] <lapidary> ah, pstree is nice
[16:39] <pavlos> lapidary: ps -ef shows pid,ppid
[16:46] <theboda> Stavros why not? I saw someone using it earlier.
[16:56] <tichun> Do you have an idea why chromium logs me out of everything? I use it on GNOME, when i relogin to KDE everything is logged of, every time. Google prompts me I have logged in from a different computer
[17:07] <MrCollins> Why is it when I put in a traceroute, even in windows, I get 2 entries for my gateway
[17:11] <leftyfb> !ot | MrCollins
[17:13] <MrCollins> I thought I did identify?
[17:13] <MrCollins> Did I do something wrong, I am using Ubuntu?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> MrCollins: we try to focus on ubuntu specific issues, your problem is more something for ##networking
[17:15] <MrCollins> 10-4. Sorry.
[17:42] <dablitz> lotuspsychje are you around
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: yes
[17:44] <dablitz> did you ever look at this pastebin -->  https://pastebin.com/5zyHJfNC <-- I was logged into the wrong system earlier this morning. this is the one I need to boot faster
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: is that on a spinner or an ssd?
[17:45] <dablitz> ssd
[17:45] <dablitz> well emmc
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: can you pastebin this too please; systemd-analyze && systemd-analyze blame
[17:48] <dablitz> doing that now
[17:53] <dablitz> https://pastebin.com/pfafJkdc
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: systemd-analyze too please
[17:56] <dablitz> https://pastebin.com/WZrw3kNq
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: yea, userspace seems rather long boot for an ssd
[17:58] <dablitz> lotuspsychje any ideas of what I can do to speed this up
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: lets try with: sudo apt install preload haveged stacer
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: tweak unwanted systemd services in stacer and reboot
[18:00] <dablitz> will do that.
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: did you install extra snaps or other services?
[18:00] <dablitz> just teamviewer. I have gnuradio 3.8.1 installed but not running on boot
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> seems like a sane default install then, teamviewer does take a bit of time
[18:11] <aneeshnair2007> hi
[18:12] <oerheks> teamviewer is known for that,.
[19:17] <GBGames> I am setting up a ThinkPad for my father-in-law, and I am trying to make it look like Windows. I got some themes and icons, and I moved the application launcher to the bottom left with the dash on the bottom. Now I am setting up applications.
[19:17] <GBGames> AisleRiot claims to have a bunch of solitaire games, but all is see is Klondike. Is there something I need to do to get the rest of the games?
[19:17] <GBGames> Er, I am using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[19:20] <oerheks> hi GBGames, pysol is the collection of 1000+ card games
[19:20] <oerheks> !info pysol
[19:21] <oerheks> !info pysolfc
[19:21] <oerheks> and tons of games; https://snapcraft.io/search?category=games
[19:27] <GBGames> oerheks: Thanks! I think I just found it. I needed to install gnome-cards-data and now I can select "Choose Game" in the main menu of AisleRiot.
[19:27] <GBGames> But I will look at pysonfc. Thanks!
[19:31] <johnjay> pip3 install pysolfc failed. is pysolfc only a ubuntu/debian package name?
[19:33] <oerheks> apt gives pysolfc
[19:41] <Stavros> I cannot figure this kernel/NVIDIA driver version mismatch out
[19:41] <Stavros> This is the installation log: https://www.pastery.net/zqbrnn/
[19:41] <Stavros> Everything seems to have gone okay
[19:48] <Stavros> Yet I have no graphics
[20:06] <Dunams> I feel like moving/resizing windows is not smooth as it is on windows on my 144hz monitor. i have the latest nvidia drivers on 20.04 with KDE. any ideas what should I check?
[20:06] <matsaman> which Windows are we talking about?
[20:06] <Dunams> the OS? 10
[20:07] <Dunams> i'm talking about windows in general though, firefox, slack
[20:07] <Dunams> dragging/resizing them feels stuttery
[20:07] <matsaman> I believe you were making a comparison to windows as in "Windows" vs KDE. Just wanted to know the Windows version you were thinking of.
[20:08] <matsaman> you should probably double check that you're actually using the nvidia driver, on top of having it installed
[20:08] <Dunams> how do I confirm which driver is the one being actually used?
[20:09] <matsaman> Dunams: does the command 'glxinfo' work for you?
[20:09] <Dunams> matsaman: yes
[20:10] <matsaman> glxinfo | grep -i vendor, maybe
[20:11] <Dunams> yeah, looks like it is using the driver
[20:11] <Dunams> OpenGL version string: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 455.23.04
[20:12] <Dunams> (that's not from your grep, but that also says nvidia)
[20:12] <matsaman> cool
[20:12] <Dunams> I tried tweaking the settings on the nvidia x server tool with no difference really
[20:13] <Dunams> I'm not sure I'm actually getting 144hz refresh rate, even though it is the active setting
[20:13] <matsaman> Dunams: maybe this kind of thing: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=99233
[20:14] <Dunams> matsaman: doubt it, that's from 2012
[20:16] <Dunams> yeah, i'm getting 60-70 fps
[20:16] <Dunams> enabled the fps counter on kwin
[20:17] <matsaman> what fps are you hoping for?
[20:17] <Dunams> 144
[20:20] <matsaman> what FPS is the nvidia device rated for?
[20:21] <Dunams> nvidia device would be the GPU? gpu's aren't rated for FPS. they give what they can
[20:22] <Dunams> my display monitor is rated for 144hz
[20:24] <Sirisian|Work> When I download an old version of chrome .deb and then run dpkg -i on it it installs the 85 stable release immediately. I need a specific install. Is there a way to stop it from automatically grabbing the latest chromium-browser?
[20:32] <Dunams> kinda have a feeling nvidia's driver is just..bad
[20:32] <oerheks> chrome does that as it is a repo + key , and chromium deb is a virtual package to snap?
[20:34] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/chromium-browser  --> https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[21:11] <komali2> Yo, I guess my boot or maybe the drive is fucked beyond repair. I can mount and see the drive that my ubuntu 20.04 is on from an old 16.04 I apparently have (or just from a live USB), is there any way I can take an image for later reinstallation, so as to avoid reinstalling all my stuff all over again, resetting all my configs etc?
[21:12] <komali2> All my googling just leads to how to create an ubuntu install flash drive for some reason
[21:12] <komali2> Like, is there a way I can image an ubuntu installation, from a separate drive/OS?
[21:13] <komali2> Oh woops I think I just wiped the whole drive
[21:13] <komali2> Kill me :)
[21:13] <Bashing-om> !backup | komali2
[21:14] <komali2> Cheers I'll look into it
[22:42] <Stavros> I'm seeing "NVIDIA API MISMATCH" in the logs, how can I check which kernel module is mismatched?
[22:45] <oerheks> dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999   # would give an URL with all modules
[22:45] <Stavros> oerheks: https://www.pastery.net/snsaxc/
[22:46] <Stavros> I've already done that, those aren't kernel modules, they're packages
[22:46] <Stavros> I'm asking about the kernel modules that attempt to load
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Stavros: ' sudo dkms status ' ?
[22:46] <Stavros> https://www.pastery.net/vfeujs/
[22:46] <oerheks> or provide the log for a clue?
[22:46] <Stavros> All installed
[22:47] <Stavros> https://www.pastery.net/fytntq/
[22:48] <oerheks> did you install the proper headers for building the module? ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) ## sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[22:49] <Stavros> oerheks: Yep, they're there :/
[22:50] <Stavros> Is there any way to see which module can't be loaded?
[22:50] <Stavros> There are NVIDIA modules loaded properly, apparently
[22:54] <oerheks> some cuda stuff maybe?
[22:54] <Stavros> No CUDA packages installed :(
[22:54] <Stavros> Is there a command to check which modules couldn't load?
[22:54] <oerheks> a lot of compute modukes https://www.pastery.net/snsaxc/
[22:56] <Stavros> oerheks: when I grep for nvidia in the installed modules, there is nothing
[22:59] <Stavros> This is odd: "linux-modules-nvidia-450-generic-hwe-20.04 : Depends: nvidia-kernel-common-450 (<= 450.66-1) but 450.80.02-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed"
[23:19] <Stavros> `cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version` says 450.66, how can I remove that module/
[23:21] <oerheks> use synaptic?
[23:23] <Stavros> oerheks: I can't find that version actually being installed anywhere
[23:33] <signofzeta> hi, has anyone gotten extra mouse buttons working on Ubuntu 20.04 with Wayland? i've followed a lot of guides, but nothing seems to work.


[14:05] <pdwgg> Hey guys. Have a few questions. I think ubuntu one is a great functionality in ubuntu. But why cant I connect?
[14:05] <pdwgg> In ubuntu one Preferences. It is always showing disconnected.
[14:06] <pdwgg> I pressed Connect button. But nothing happens.
[14:24] <duffydack> argh, I wish people would idle a while..
[17:12] <madsy> Hm, I don't get my computer associated with my ubuntu one account. Any clues?
[17:12] <madsy> I don't get the question up during login.
[17:18] <madsy> Ok, nevermind. I found the answer on the wiki.
[17:33] <kklimonda> honk
[19:52] <Chipaca> kklimonda: hink
[19:53] <kklimonda> Chipaca: Any chance I could get a raw dump of my contacts? :/
[19:53] <Chipaca> kklimonda: many. Why?
[19:53] <kklimonda> I haven't been able to access them for months and till now I've coped with that but now I can't find one number anywhere else :/
[19:53] <Chipaca> kklimonda: a sec
[19:55] <Chipaca> kklimonda: https://one.ubuntu.com/contacts/get_all_contacts/
[19:56] <kklimonda> Chipaca: hmm, there is nothing there other than names :/
[19:57] <kklimonda> looks like my database may be in even worse shape than I've expected.
[19:57] <Chipaca> kklimonda: right, that doesn't list all the details
[19:58] <beuno> Chipaca, smart man, (ab)using the merge contacts API!
[19:58] <kklimonda> :)
[19:59] <Chipaca> kklimonda: but then you can go to /contacts/<name initial>/<id>
[19:59] <Chipaca> kklimonda: and get the individual contact
[20:00] <Chipaca> beuno: was disappointed that I had no contacts api to put in my brand new web api tool gui :)
[20:00] <kklimonda> Chipaca: damn, it works! thanks :)
[20:00] <kklimonda> I wonder if I can fix database this way
[20:01] <kklimonda> by accessing the broken record and doing something with it..
[20:01] <Chipaca> kklimonda: probably. But you'd be on your own, there :)
[20:01] <Chipaca> kklimonda: the end point is /contacts/<letter>/<id>/edit/
[20:02] <kklimonda> nope, I get "Something went wrong"
[20:02] <kklimonda> has gone*
[20:02] <Chipaca> kklimonda: right, that's the target for the POST of the edit
[20:03] <Chipaca> kklimonda: you should be able to figure it out from looking at the source of the edit page
[20:03] <Chipaca> kklimonda: in fact, loading a contact that "works", saving the page, editing it to be the contact you want to change, and submitting that form should work :)
[20:04] <Chipaca> kklimonda: this is not exactly recommended practice, mind you
[20:04] <Chipaca> kklimonda: especially not on a sunday evening
[20:06] <kklimonda> Chipaca: It can't get worse - unless by doing that I'll find a bug in server and crash it ;)
[20:06] <kklimonda> and it still won't be worse *for me* ;)
[20:06] <Chipaca> kklimonda: you could delete the same contact you're trying to 'save' :)
[20:06] <kklimonda> but I don't really care that much now that I have a phone I've been looking for
[20:07] <kklimonda> I'll leave it broken so you can take a look at it and figure out the reason for it being broken in the first place.
[20:11] <Chipaca> kklimonda: do you know your user id?
[20:12] <beuno> Chipaca, kklimonda, 1473
[20:12] <beuno> under 10k *wink*
[20:12] <Chipaca> beuno: right
[20:12] <Chipaca> kklimonda: give me a sec...
[20:13] <Chipaca> kklimonda: do you still have an old-style oauth token in your keyring?
[20:13] <kklimonda> Chipaca: no
[20:15] <Chipaca> kklimonda: lp:~chipaca/+junk/watgui
[20:15] <Chipaca> kklimonda: wait a second for revno 2
[20:15] <Chipaca> kklimonda: there, pushed
[20:16] <Chipaca> kklimonda: before you get your hopes up, this doesn't work for me right now :-/
[20:16] <Chipaca> kklimonda: this == talking to couch directly using this tool
[20:16] <Chipaca> kklimonda: but we can try :)
[20:16] <beuno> Chipaca, he will need the new couchdb packages, no?
[20:17] <Chipaca> beuno: you know something I don't, I suspect. What new couchdb packages, for what?
[20:17] <beuno> Chipaca, because replication only works with the new packages
[20:17] <beuno> and new erlang, for that matter
[20:18] <kklimonda> how new?
[20:18] <Chipaca> beuno: ah! but I'm not going to try to replicate :)
[20:18] <kklimonda> maverick new or bleeding edge new? :)
[20:18] <Chipaca> kklimonda: still-in-the-process-of-groveling-to-get-into-maverick new
[20:18] <ajmitch> leaving it a bit late for that, aren'
[20:18] <Chipaca> kklimonda: but we're not going to try to replicate, just to GET stuff
[20:19] <Chipaca> ajmitch: we're not "leaving" it
[20:19] <beuno> ajmitch, we like excitement
[20:19] <kklimonda> the thrill of getting stuff into release this late into cycle?
[20:19] <beuno> yeah, Chipaca really enjoys adrenaline
[20:19] <ajmitch> Chipaca: these fixes only just got in upstream?
[20:20] <ajmitch> the amount of grovelling required at this point of the release is phenomenal
[20:20] <ajmitch> it can even require bribes
[20:20] <beuno> yes, an SSL bug in erlang
[20:20] <beuno> quite the security issue, really
[20:20] <kklimonda> Chipaca: btw, you can probably take a look at bug 601932 as it's what I've reported and it may have something you can use
[20:20] <ubot4> kklimonda: Bug 601932 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/601932 is private
[20:20] <ajmitch> oh those are easier to get in :)
[20:21] <Chipaca> we only grovel because we like to give the impression of being the nice guys, whiles any guy in the know knows we're actually Push Evil Incarnate
[20:21] <ajmitch> of course
[20:21] <Chipaca> *Pushy*, not push
[20:22] <Chipaca> kklimonda: so, if you pulled that branch, I have instructions :)
[20:23] <Chipaca> kklimonda: your couchdb lives at a certain url that is easy to build
[20:23] <kklimonda> Chipaca: sure, I'm all ears
[20:23] <Chipaca> kklimonda: ok, first, go to the /account/ uri (the first one in the dropdown)
[20:23] <Chipaca> (should be selected by default)
[20:23] <kklimonda> right
[20:24] <Chipaca> kklimonda: your couchdb url is built like this:
[20:24] <Chipaca> take the 'dbpath' entry (under 'couchdb')
[20:24] <Chipaca> replace all the /'s with %2f's
[20:25] <Chipaca> attach it at the end of the couchdb 'host'
[20:25] <Chipaca> (yes, 'root' should be that, but it's not)
[20:25] <Chipaca> kklimonda: take *that* url and go to it, also in the tool, also with the Ubuntu One sso key
[20:26] <Chipaca> tell me if you get an ugly json message about you being wrong, wrong, wrong
[20:26]  * Chipaca crosses fingers
[20:27] <Chipaca> if it works, you should get a json welcome message
[20:27] <Chipaca> something like {"couchdb":"Welcome","version":"OMG we have a version"}
[20:27] <kklimonda> so I should create https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/x%2Fy%2Fz ?
[20:29] <Chipaca> kklimonda: yes
[20:29] <kklimonda> I get simple 404 so I'm not doing it right :)
[20:30] <Chipaca> add a /
[20:30] <kklimonda> right
[20:30] <kklimonda> {"error":"invalid_consumer","reason":"Invalid consumer (key or signature method)."}
[20:30] <kklimonda> how to add my sso key?
[20:31] <Chipaca> when did you sign up to sso?
[20:31] <Chipaca> I mean, when did you create your current token?
[20:31] <Chipaca> want to try creating a new one just in case?
[20:31] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I've created a new one yesterday
[20:31] <Chipaca> that should've worked then
[20:32] <Chipaca> kklimonda: you want to try again, but this time pointing your sso client at edge?
[20:32] <Chipaca> kklimonda: hang on, let me check the revnos
[20:34] <Chipaca> kklimonda: to me it seems like the error message means we're not copying the tokens over to the couchdb on token creation
[20:34] <Chipaca> oh! hold on
[20:34] <Chipaca> you could try re-pinging, instead of creating the whole thing again :)
[20:35] <Chipaca> that's nondestructive, even :)
[20:35] <kklimonda> re-pinging?
[20:35] <Chipaca> https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/oauth/sso-finished-so-get-tokens/<your email address>
[20:36] <Chipaca> using the same tool and the Ubuntu SSO token
[20:36] <Chipaca> Ubuntu One token i mean
[20:36] <Chipaca> Ubuntu One SSO token
[20:37] <kklimonda> ok 1/2
[20:37] <Chipaca> 1 new token copied over
[20:37] <Chipaca> 2 tokens total
[20:39] <kklimonda> ok, that's good, right? :)
[20:39] <Chipaca> i thought you were quiet because you were retrying the couchdb query
[20:39] <Chipaca> yes, it's good :)
[20:39] <Chipaca> retry the couchdb query please :)
[20:39] <kklimonda> sorry, I'm on like 30 channels and from time to time I get pinged :)
[20:39] <Chipaca> excuses!
[20:40] <kklimonda> nope, still the same error - I'm beginning to think that I can't add two strings without writing code that does it for me ;)
[20:41] <Chipaca> ok, that's as far as I go today on this. I need to ping people tomorrow to see (a) if it should work (I understand that it should), and (b) why not :)
[20:42] <kklimonda> ok, thanks for you help and this nifty tool :)
[20:43] <Chipaca> I'm probably going to be adding some magic so you don't have to do so many calls by hand to get at stuff
[20:43] <Chipaca> but not today :)
[20:43] <Chipaca> today was a "send my offpsring to their grandparent's and hack" day, but it's almost over
[20:44] <kklimonda> a dedicated hacker you are :)
[20:44] <Chipaca> not that much... first one of these this year, i think
[20:44] <Chipaca> i needed some larva time
[20:44]  * kklimonda said and went to read about gobject introspection ;)
[20:44] <kklimonda> but then I don't have any offspring to care about so I can do that! ;)
[20:46] <Chipaca> heh, good luck reading about gobject introspection
[20:46] <Chipaca> if you find anything useful let me know :)
[20:46]  * ajmitch wonders what new stuff will come with the 1.5.x branch of ubuntuone-client
[20:46] <Chipaca> ajmitch: hoo! no promises
[20:46] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I find it all useful. I'm in love with gobject, introspection and Vala ;)
[20:46] <ajmitch> Chipaca: that's no fun! :)
[20:46] <Chipaca> ajmitch: but I'm hoping to not spawn a process to do a darned rest call
[20:46] <ajmitch> heh
[20:47] <Chipaca> ajmitch: libproxy and threads do not mix
[20:47] <kklimonda> oh? liproxy and threads or libproxy, threads and python?
[20:47] <ajmitch> I've sort of held on on the debian uploads for awhile, due to things changing fast enough
[20:47] <ajmitch> so they'll go to experimental soon & you can be flooded with a whole new set of bugreports
[20:47] <Chipaca> kklimonda: libproxy, gtk behind-the-scenes threads, and possibly python
[20:48] <Chipaca> ajmitch: we have a stable branch you might want to work on, unless you *like* things that break :)
[20:48] <kklimonda> Chipaca: do you use multiprocessing?
[20:48] <ajmitch> Chipaca: yeah, I'll stick with the 1.4.x branch for debian for a little while
[20:48] <Chipaca> kklimonda: yes
[20:48] <Chipaca> ajmitch: right
[20:48] <Chipaca> ajmitch: that would be my recommendation
[20:48] <ajmitch> maybe after squeeze is released, that can go into sid, then the unstable branch to experimental
[20:49] <Chipaca> ajmitch: sounds like a Plan!
[20:49] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I remember kenvandine loosing his hair on this combination few months back.
[20:49] <ajmitch> depends on how much you want it tested on a non-ubuntu system :)
[20:49] <ajmitch> though debian is by far the closest you can get
[20:49] <Chipaca> ajmitch: we'll be breaking a lot of stuff in the upcoming weeks
[20:50] <Chipaca> ajmitch: I mean, breaking stuff is not the objective, but we probably will anywya
[20:50] <ajmitch> excellent, that's what I like to hear :)
[20:51] <Chipaca> ok, stopping for a little while, coffee drinking and sock hanging
[20:51]  * ajmitch wishes it weren't monday morning already
[21:31] <Chipaca> kklimonda: revno 3 has magic couch url ftw
[21:32] <kklimonda> Chipaca: something is wrong, I still get "{"error":"invalid_consumer","reason":"Invalid consumer (key or signature method)."}"
[21:32] <Chipaca> kklimonda: yes, I didn't *fix* it
[21:32] <kklimonda> Chipaca: sure, but It's good to know that it wasn't my fault after all :)
[21:33] <Chipaca> kklimonda: just the last entry in the dropdown is what's new
[21:34] <kklimonda> Chipaca: ok, next time I'll run bzr diff before complaining :)
[21:36] <Chipaca> kklimonda: as the couch url should be where you start messing around with couch, it doesn't make sense to play hard to get :)
[21:38] <kklimonda> true
[21:39] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: hi!
[21:39] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: do you still have an old-style ubuntu token lying around?
[21:40] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: ubuntu *one* token that is
[21:40] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: i.e. a pre-sso token
[21:40] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: i may. how cal i tell?
[21:41] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: in your keyring you'll have either "Ubuntu One @ mycomputer" or "ubuntu one token for http://ubuntuone.com" or sthing like that
[21:41] <Chipaca> the latter is the one i'm after
[21:41] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: i have "UbuntuOne token for https://ubuntuone.com"
[21:41] <Chipaca> ooohhh
[21:41] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: can you try something for me?
[21:41] <mattgriffin> sure
[21:41] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: lp:~chipaca/+junk/watgui
[21:42] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: ready
[21:42] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: python watgui.py
[21:43] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: open the dropdown, click on "magic:couch", click the "go" button
[21:43] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/501126/
[21:44] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: ah! apt-get install gir1.0-soup or whatever it's called
[21:44]  * Chipaca searches
[21:44] <Chipaca> gir1.0-soup-2.4
[21:44] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: ^
[21:44] <mattgriffin> installing now
[21:45] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: couchdb URL ready
[21:45] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: click "go" again
[21:45] <mattgriffin> {"error":"unauthorized","reason":"Authentication required."}
[21:46] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: and if you turn off hmac?
[21:46] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: {"error":"not_found","reason":"no_db_file"}
[21:46] <kklimonda> what is the hmac option anyway?
[21:46] <Chipaca> oooohhhh
[21:46] <Chipaca> kklimonda: oauth signature method
[21:47] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: add /contacts/ to the end of the url and try again
[21:47] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: {"db_name":"u/1f0/e3d/19/contacts","doc_count":1161,"doc_del_count":15,"update_seq":2989,"purge_seq":0,"compact_running":false,"disk_size":113504356,"instance_start_time":"1285531032400015","disk_format_version":4,"committed_update_seq":2989}
[21:47] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: you're in!
[21:48] <Chipaca> kklimonda: that's what you're looking for, pretty much ^
[21:48] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: you want to see all your contacts in json? :)
[21:48] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: yes please
[21:48] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: add /all_docs?include_docs=true
[21:49] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: so the url ends /contacts/_all_docs?include_docs=true
[21:49] <mattgriffin> after /contacts?
[21:49] <mattgriffin> o
[21:49] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: i forgot the _ before _all_docs in the first example
[21:49] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: change /contacts/ for /notes/ and you get all your notes
[21:49] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: oh cool!
[21:50] <Chipaca> kklimonda: so, to get your stuff, all you need is to get an old-style token into your keyring :-/
[21:50] <kklimonda> Chipaca: heh
[21:50] <Chipaca> kklimonda: this is a bug on our side wrt not copying the tokens into couch; I'll chase people about that next week
[21:51] <kklimonda> Chipaca: how do you have couchdb set on server side?
[21:51] <Chipaca> kklimonda: uh, what's the question again? (-ENOPARSE)
[21:51] <kklimonda> Chipaca: well, do you have a "single" (for a bizzare values of single) couchdb for all users and use authentication?
[21:52] <Chipaca> kklimonda: we have a few couchdbs with the user dbs spread out between them; there's an apache doing routing, and then couchdb does auth, yes
[21:54] <Chipaca> beuno: you too: if you get an old-style token into your keyring (boot into lucid?), you can use the gui thing to tool around in couch
[21:54] <kklimonda> Chipaca: and how does it cope? Well, I know you have had some problems after 10.04 release but can you, at this time, say whether it has been a good choice to use couchdb?
[21:55] <kklimonda> Chipaca: also, have you guys took a look at the couchdb for android? Would it be possible to ditch the funambol client and write u1 sync with it?
[21:56] <Chipaca> kklimonda: we've been fighting it quite a bit, but I think it's the right architectural choice. The other option we have for delivering the same service don't leave the users in charge of their data without us doing a ton more work
[21:56] <Chipaca> kklimonda: I haven't, but maybe beuno knows more
[21:57] <Chipaca> kklimonda: he's the web+mobile person right now
[21:57] <Chipaca> kklimonda: I'm merely a humble desktop guy :-p
[21:57] <kklimonda> :)
[21:58] <kklimonda> Chipaca: do you have any idea whether there is any upstream discussion, within GNOME and maybe KDE, on providing a framework for applications to sync with the cloud? I know there is a Conduit or something similar but, afair, it's dead or dying.
[21:59] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I was wondering if it's even in Canonical's good interest to work on such a framework and tools to move from one cloud to another..
[22:00] <Chipaca> kklimonda: I am not aware of a single coordinated effort in that direction, no. It is happening around the edges, rather haphazardly (rather like the web itself)
[22:01] <Chipaca> kklimonda: TBH sync-to-the-cloud is a mess, and there is no clear winner behind which to rally
[22:02] <kklimonda> Chipaca: well, I can't disagree. It's still at this point when we all play with random solutions hoping that this one is going to be the best, but not being sure that's going to be the case.
[22:03] <Chipaca> kklimonda: yep
[22:05]  * ajmitch just hopes that it hasn't put too many people off using it
[22:05] <Chipaca> ajmitch: "it"?
[22:06] <ajmitch> contact sync, couchdb sync in U1, various other pieces like that
[22:06] <kklimonda> right, a lot of people has complained and not without a merit
[22:07] <kklimonda> unfortunately the "Beta" doesn't mean what it did few years back.
[22:07] <kklimonda> so people are expecting an almost perfect product, even if it's called beta..
[22:08] <ajmitch> it's not really advertised as being in beta
[22:08] <Chipaca> ajmitch: ah! yes, that is a bummer :(
[22:08] <Chipaca> ajmitch: I know it put *me* off my work on unote
[22:08] <kklimonda> ajmitch: well, it has a little "beta" in its logo :)
[22:08] <ajmitch> kklimonda: yeah, that's about the only place I can see it :)
[22:09] <Chipaca> ajmitch: Hello, and thank you for trying Ubuntu One! We're sorry it isn't working for you.
[22:09] <Chipaca> (from memory)
[22:10] <kklimonda> what's worse Canonical is failing at advertising U1 imo
[22:10] <kklimonda> people still see U1 as a dropbox alternative
[22:10] <kklimonda> while it's so much more
[22:10] <Chipaca> kklimonda: that's changing this release. I hope! :)
[22:11] <ajmitch> pity that some of the distro stuff was deferred
[22:11] <Chipaca> kklimonda: thing is, with couch offline, we didn't have much more "visible"
[22:11] <Chipaca> kklimonda: much more than file sync i mean
[22:11] <kklimonda> Chipaca: true, that was really unfortunate.
[22:12]  * ajmitch would like to see oneconf working & in by default
[22:12] <kklimonda> yeah, I'd love to be able to sync some of my settings, empathy logs etc.
[22:12] <kklimonda> I could just wipe my disk from time to time and get everything from the cloud
[22:13] <ajmitch> something better that just dropping .local into ~/Ubuntu One/ :)
[22:13] <ajmitch> along with the numerous other files needed
[22:13] <Chipaca> there are two separate projects, one is OneConf, the other ... has a name that continually escapes me
[22:13] <kklimonda> stipple
[22:13] <kklimonda> or something like that ;)
[22:13] <Chipaca> there you go
[22:13] <ajmitch> OneConf is primarily the list of software installed on a system, iirc
[22:13] <ulio> Are there any file sync Problems at the moment with the servers ?
[22:13] <kklimonda> I can never remember that - probably checking dictionary would help
[22:13] <Chipaca> ulio: not afaik; why?
[22:14] <kklimonda> Chipaca: btw, what are you going to do about no indication of sync in progress?
[22:14] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I've had sync disabled for a week because I didn't know it's disabled :)
[22:14] <Chipaca> kklimonda: :(
[22:14] <ulio> Chipaca: I have installed it the first time and have some problems with syncing.
[22:14] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I've thought of making an animated icon and, in case of sync, replace the current empathy status with it.
[22:15] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I think it would look pretty nice
[22:15] <ajmitch> kklimonda: like the panel applet used to show?
[22:15] <Chipaca> kklimonda: several things are on the table right now. We'll be cutting it down before starting work, but, dumping events into zeitgeist and throwing notification / using the messagning stuff
[22:15] <kklimonda> ajmitch: yes - but integrate it with me menu
[22:15] <Chipaca> ulio: what distribution are you using?
[22:16] <kklimonda> ajmitch: this way we wouldn't get yet another icon in the indicator applet.
[22:16] <ajmitch> kklimonda: a good thing, I think you'd find a bit of opposition to having yet another icon :)
[22:16] <ulio> Chipaca: 10.10 beta with apt update
[22:16] <kklimonda> ajmitch: well, I would be the first to oppose it :)
[22:17] <Chipaca> ulio: hmm...
[22:17] <Chipaca> ulio: can you open a terminal and run some commands to help debug?
[22:18] <ulio> Chipaca: I will first take a look in the forums, when everthing is up there must be a config problem on my site
[22:18] <Chipaca> ulio: as you wish. However, given that you're on maverick already, you might find the forums misleading
[22:18] <kklimonda> heh, that's the worst thing with forums :/
[22:19] <ajmitch> that they're frequently wrong?
[22:19] <kklimonda> given the speed with which Ubuntu is developed all those howtos become outdated really fast
[22:19] <Chipaca> ajmitch: there isn't much to configure in ubuntu one, so I don't think that is the source of your problem
[22:20] <kklimonda> ajmitch: yeah - you can still find tips like "compile alsa from sources" or "install upstream nvidia/ati drivers" in some places.
[22:20] <ajmitch> Chipaca: wrong person :)
[22:20] <Chipaca> oops
[22:20] <kklimonda> ajmitch: I cry a little every time people ask for help after doing things like that :/
[22:20] <Chipaca> ulio: there isn't much to configure in ubuntu one, so I don't think that is the source of your problem
[22:20] <ulio> Chipaca: I have reboot maverick, now I have a dialog for a password and diretory i was looking for is there :-)
[22:20] <ajmitch> kklimonda: it's a frequent source of issues, & then people file bugs & it takes a little while to figure out how things went wrong
[22:20] <Chipaca> ulio: ok!
[22:21]  * ajmitch wonders if there'll be some interesting apps developed to use U1 once maverick releases
[22:21]  * kklimonda is working on a couchdb-powered rss client
[22:22] <Chipaca> kklimonda: written in html+js? :-D
[22:22] <Chipaca> kklimonda: couch apps ftw
[22:22] <kklimonda> Chipaca: nope - Gtk+ :)
[22:22] <kklimonda> Chipaca: I'm planning on writing an android client or using a couchdb directly with html+js
[22:23] <Chipaca> kklimonda: do look at couchapp.org and the couchapp framework if you do
[22:23] <kklimonda> Chipaca: yeah, I've heard about it
[22:23] <Chipaca> kklimonda: storing the app in couch is cool
[22:23]  * ajmitch needs to be creative & have an imagination to do such things :)
[22:23] <Chipaca> kklimonda: with replication and all :)
[22:23] <kklimonda> Chipaca: that's the reason I've decided to use couchdb - so I can sync between desktop and phone (and othe desktops etc.)
[22:24] <kklimonda> unfortunately I'm still stuck on adding stuff to couchdb-glib so it works.
[22:25] <Chipaca> oh my
[22:25] <Chipaca> you're doing it in *C*?
[22:26] <kklimonda> Chipaca: no, Vala :)
[22:26] <ajmitch> what's wrong with good old C? :)
[22:26] <kklimonda> Chipaca: actually I could write it in C and I've written part of it, just for the sake of it.
[22:26] <ajmitch> admittedly I haven't touched any gtk+ stuff in C since probably gtk+ 1.2
[22:26] <Chipaca> ajmitch: nothing! oh, wait, except that interfacing a static language with a schemaless store is always hard :)
[22:26]  * ajmitch tends to prefer python :)
[22:27] <Chipaca> I like coding in C because it cleanses me
[22:27] <Chipaca> but I only need cleansing once a month, tops
[22:27] <ajmitch> heh
[22:27] <ajmitch> desktop stuff in C just tends to feel a bit too verbose
[22:27] <kklimonda> well, python is nice but I cringe every time I see a small desktop application or an indicator using 20M+ of ram
[22:28] <ajmitch> like looking through the nautilus U1 extension
[22:28] <kklimonda> ajmitch: that's why we have Vala
[22:28] <ajmitch> I know, and I've been meaning to learn it
[22:28] <kklimonda> it makes writing in Gtk+ almost enjoyable.
[22:29] <kklimonda> sure, from time to time you still see a construct that reminds you that Vala is only a thin wrapper over C
[22:29] <kklimonda> but it's still better then upcasting-fest
[22:29] <ajmitch> from what I've seen, it feels similar to C# in a number of ways
[22:30] <kklimonda> yeah, the syntax is based on C# (and probably Java)
[22:32] <kklimonda> but it's an adventure to debug applications written in Vala - when you use gdb you get a mix of generated C and Vala code. It's pretty scary first time you see it.
[23:02] <aendruk> A folder is displaying the gray "not synchronized" emblem. What does this mean?
[23:05] <aendruk> (honk)
[23:06] <Chipaca> aendruk: hi
[23:07] <Chipaca> aendruk: you see how the "Ubuntu One" has an expander to the left of it? expanding the expander should show a little explanatory blurb
[23:09] <aendruk> hi. where should I be looking for this?
[23:09] <Chipaca> ah! *emblem*
[23:09] <Chipaca> sorry, I got confused
[23:09] <Chipaca> aendruk: is this maverick, or lucid?
[23:09] <aendruk> it's in lucid.
[23:10] <Chipaca> aendruk: the good news is it probably doesn't mean anything, then; emblems are rather broken in lucid
[23:10] <Chipaca> aendruk: things being broken is not often good news, but there you go
[23:11] <aendruk> hmm, okay.
[23:11] <Chipaca> aendruk: if you want a larger level of detail, you could try installing magicicada; it involves a ppa
[23:11] <Chipaca> aendruk: but it's a fairly innocent ppa in that it can't break anything :)
[23:12] <Chipaca> aendruk: sudo add-apt-archive ppa:chicharreros/ppa
[23:12] <Chipaca> um
[23:12] <aendruk> what's it do?
[23:12] <Chipaca> aendruk: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chicharreros/ppa
[23:13] <Chipaca> aendruk: it gives you a window into the guts of the file sync daemon
[23:13] <aendruk> ah, i found it on launchpad. I'll check it out.
[23:14] <aendruk> thanks.
[23:15] <Chipaca> aendruk: if you can upgrade to maverick, the file sync side of things is much improved. Especially if you have a lot (10k) of files
[23:16] <Chipaca> aendruk: if you can't, we'll be backporting these improvements at some point, but probably not in the next six months
[23:18] <kklimonda> Chipaca: wow? you shedule is that strined?
[23:18] <kklimonda> strained*
[23:19] <aendruk> alright. I'll be upgrading to the maverick rc, and just bear with any lucid bugs until then.