[11:05] <Gh0st75> go figure, "no sound in kubuntu" in googles finds zilch other than unsupported sound cards
[11:05] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: Yeah Demonizing :)
[11:05] <user___> hi i now have ubuntu installed yay :)
[11:06] <orangelady> leejunfan: i googled, searched the forums but couldn't find anything like this, except for the ipv6 problem, which doesn't seem to be the problem here
[11:06] <user___> does anyone know how to get openGL working and also how to change the resolution ?
[11:06] <pagan0ne> my problem is that i just installed the nvidia drivers using kubunutu's adept, and set up my system to run 2 monitors, and when i select the resolution, instead of the desktop fitting in the screen, the desktop "scrolls" on each monitor, asin i reach the edge of what should be one monitor to enter into the 2nd one, and instead of entering that one, the monitor scrolls over about an inch before i enter that screen.
[11:06] <Gh0st75> congrats user___, the headaches have only begun :)
[11:07] <user___> lol
[11:07] <DaSkreech> orangelady: Maybe you are behind a proxy?
[11:07] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: is this a good thing?  Is this something a n00b such as me won't understand? hehe But anyways please explain Demonizing
[11:07] <user___> i want to try and get vmware running aswell if possible :) ?
[11:07] <user___> hi newbie_1000 i got it installed :)
[11:07] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: I reinstalled. How should I go about running the upgrade so it doesn't break again?
[11:08] <TOX> theres a guide to making it disply the right size right
[11:08] <newbie_1000> user__: was my command helpful?
[11:08] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: well, this is s stumper. Have you tried resetting your router/modem?
[11:08] <orangelady> daskreech: nope, i'm just behind my own router, which i set up, no proxy, firewall disabled
[11:08] <user___> does anyone know where the resolution setting is ?
[11:09] <newbie_1000> system sttings => display
[11:09] <crazy_penguin> i tried to run xorg on riva tnt2 vido card but i gat the following error: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! Has anyone an ideea what is happening. i followed the wiki ad litteram. :(
[11:09] <orangelady> leejunfan: well yeah, tried around with some settings too, nothing helped though
[11:09] <newbie_1000> crazy_penguin: I've the same card, haven't tried to configure for 3D, but X runs.
[11:09] <Gh0st75> switchin to windows which works, gotta have sound while i watch a movie
[11:10] <scast> Hey I added a new path to my $PATH variable and added a new menu entry but when I try to open it with katapult it says KDEInit could not launch it. Also if I try to open it with the K Menu it doesnt open but does not say anything. It is weird because I can open it using Konsole
[11:10] <otaku-san> Gh0st75: sad thing your in man
[11:10] <crazy_penguin> newbie_1000: what driver are you using nv or nvidia in xorg?
[11:10] <scast> Also happens using Alt-F2... Any idea?
[11:10] <otaku-san> Gh0st75: having to change to Windoze to get sound to work
[11:11] <newbie_1000> crazy_penguin: I haven't done anything. Nothing 3D works. But I've got no games or anything so it should be okay for now. Just tell me what you do when you get it figured out :-)
[11:11] <newbie_1000> crazy_penguin: but teh default is nv driver.
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: well it does seem to have something to do with mtu maybe. If I ping -s 1472 [packet size 1500]  from here to digg.com it gets truncated, if I ping yahoo it does not.
[11:12] <homeuser> hi, i'm having a problem with not being able to see the boot screen or my ctrl+alt+F1, etc. consoles after switching monitors
[11:13] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: well then, opera.com does ping large, lemme set no fragment and try again.
[11:13] <macconline> hi... where are in kde the splash???
[11:13] <crazy_penguin> newbie_1000: yes. but i want to make it wokr . for now i don't know why the binary driver from ubuntu doesn't work. but if i figure it out i will tell you. i think is something that could be resolved by rebulding the drivers. i will download the driver from nvidia and try to make it work
[11:13] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: What should I do now that I've reinstalled. Adept is wanting me to update. Should I use apt-get, aptitude, or adept?
[11:14] <newbie_1000> crazy_penguin: ok, good luck
[11:14] <pagan0ne> TOX: could you point me in the direction of the guide as i cant even determin weather its a xorg, kde, or nvidia issue, i would think its xorg, but cant seem to find any useful info on google about it
[11:14] <user___> does anyone know if the nvidia-glx driver works with a 6800gs pci-e
[11:14] <TOX> pagan, i dont know where the guide is, but i remember seening a thing about how to make the screen fit right
[11:15] <newbie_1000> crazy_penguin: I was under the impression you could download binary NVidia drivers, seeing as they write them.
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: ping -s 1472 -M do digg.com [do prohibit fragmentation]  will truncate, to opera it just plain fails, to yahoo it works fine. Maybe you should try turning on pmtu?
[11:15] <orangelady> leejunfan: what do you want me to do exactly? type lemme set no fragment in the terminal? sorry, newbie here
[11:16] <newbie_1000> is the RIIVA tnt2 an nvidia card?
[11:16] <homeuser> could anyone give me some pointers with this problem?
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc=1
[11:16] <newbie_1000> homeuser: you may have to wait, seeing as the people who
[11:16] <newbie_1000> 'd know aren't on.
[11:17] <homeuser> k, sure
[11:18] <newbie_1000> homeuser: if you can't find teh right people here, and don't mind wating a little bin longer, try the forums.
[11:19] <homeuser> yeah, okay
[11:19] <TOX> are there viruses for *nix
[11:19] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: http://www.netheaven.com/pmtu.html  check the example at the bottom.  After running the sysctl command above try going to one of the pages.
[11:19] <user___> anyone know if this works   Linux Display Driver - AMD64/EM64T from the nvidia site ?
[11:19] <Agios> homeuser: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:20] <newbie_1000> TOX: some, but most need root privelidges. I think there's less than a dozen real linux viruses.
[11:20] <TOX> cool
[11:20] <Dasnipa`> hmm can someone help me get the digital output working on my soundcard?
[11:20] <newbie_1000> TOX: you should still scan emails for windows viruses so you friends don't get them.
[11:20] <Dasnipa`> s/pdif out
[11:21] <TOX> are there little mostly becuase its harder, or becuase programers dont hate *nix like they do windows
[11:21] <homeuser> Agios: does it matter if i choose nv or nvidia? (i have an nvidia card)
[11:21] <newbie_1000> TOX: a lot of reasons. mostly comes down to harder to write and less people using it.
[11:22] <TOX> k
[11:22] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: brb
[11:22] <TOX> would you happen to know a program that will let me use the other buttons on my mouse?
[11:22] <TOX> right now i just gor right, left and wheel
[11:23] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Sorry just getting back to the computer
[11:23] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: What's up?
[11:23] <newbie_1000> TOX: I know you can manually map extra buttons to new things. The middle button (scroll wheel) usually has a function tied to it.
[11:23] <scast> Hello all... I am having a litle problem launching an Application. I added a new path to my $PATH variable and added a new menu entry but when I try to open it with katapult it says KDEInit could not launch it. Also if I try to open it with the K Menu it doesnt open but does not say anything. Samething happens with Alt+F2 It is weird because I can open it using Konsole... Please help!
[11:23] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: I reinstalled the system, keeping my home partition. Now I want to know how I should upgrade so that doeesn't happen again. apt-get, aptitude, adept?
[11:24] <TOX> well my mouse has 8 buttons, i can use 3
[11:24] <aliasfred> scast, put it in /etc/profile and restart kde
[11:24] <newbie_1000> TOX: I don't know, but there are usually lots of ways. You may have to configure X to use the extra buttons.
[11:25] <TOX> configure X?
[11:25] <scast> aliasfred: what, the export PATH="..." ?
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> newbie_1000: are you trying to update from breezy to dapper?
[11:25] <newbie_1000> TOX: X is the program that controls the display and mouse.
[11:25] <aliasfred> scast: yes
[11:25] <orangelady> leejunfan: this doesn't seem to be the problem...
[11:25] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Apt-get seem ok
[11:25] <scast> aliasfred: do I have to do that everytime I change my PATH ?
[11:26] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: what is the default gw of your linux system <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:26] <newbie_1000> TheGateKeeper: no, just regular upgrade, dapper 6.06 to new <IP_ADDRESS>. did it yesterday and it ruined my apt db
[11:26] <TOX> do i have to use terminal to configure it?
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> newbie_1000: ok :-)
[11:26] <aliasfred> scast: when you want the whole kde to take it into account, yes
[11:26] <orangelady> leejunfan: i can access gateway.com and nonags.com with either 0 or 1 set
[11:26] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade?
[11:26] <scast> :o... First distro I have to do that :o
[11:27] <orangelady> leejunfan: excite.com however i cannot access, neither digg.com
[11:28] <orangelady> leejunfan: but strangely, just as i was doing this i could access opera.com, but only under opera, not in konqueror
[11:28] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade?
[11:28] <fritsch> orangelady: without knowing anything, try to change the mtu either of you dialing device or your network card, if you are behind a router
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: it was a remote possibility, that would only affect your outgoing packets. My guess is your MTU on your linux machine is set to 1500, the default for LANs, so your system tells remote servers to send packet sizes of 1500 to you, but when they get to your pppoe and it drops 8 bytes but won't fragment them they can't come to you.
[11:29] <fritsch> LeeJunFan: same thought
[11:29] <aliasfred> just to be sure it is the mtu, make him to telnet port 80 first
[11:29] <orangelady> leejunfan: <IP_ADDRESS> is my router and thus also my default gateway, yes
[11:29] <aliasfred> if the connection establish it may be the mtu
[11:30] <aliasfred> if it does, it is likly not the mtu
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: sudo ip route change default via [your default gateway ip]  mtu 1492
[11:30] <fritsch> orangelady: what is your network interface? eth0?
[11:30] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Si!
[11:30] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <orangelady> fritsch: eth0
[11:30] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: ok
[11:31] <fritsch> orangelady: sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1452
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> aliasfred, orangelady: true, try 'telnet www.opera.com' after it connects type 'GET[enter] '
[11:31] <aliasfred> orangelady: please do 'telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80' and tell me if it connect
[11:31] <fritsch> orangelady: if this does not change anything -> we have to search otherwhere
[11:31] <fritsch> orangelady: but listen to the others ;-) too much info for you in one time
[11:31] <aliasfred> LeeJunFan: with 80 at the end of telnet :)
[11:31] <orangelady> hey yall, not that fast, im a girl + im a newbie!
[11:32] <aliasfred>  orangelady: please do 'telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80' and tell me if it connect
[11:32] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: but 6.06 to 6.06.1 shouldn't need a whole distro updrade. Is that right?
[11:32] <mik51587> anyone know how to make this chat client work with msn?
[11:32] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Nope but it won't kill you
[11:32] <aliasfred> the ip is digg.com
[11:32] <DaSkreech>  You can dist-upgrade all the time
[11:32] <aliasfred> something you could not access
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> aliasfred: oops yeah, with the port 80. Although just connecting won't rule out MTU as the syn/ack packets will be small anyway.
[11:32] <orangelady> aliasfred: connect
[11:33] <aliasfred> LeeJunFan: ok so the mtu or ecn :)
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: now type 'GET' and see if you get html.
[11:33] <aliasfred> have fun :)
[11:33] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: should I enable source repositories or is that overkill?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Only if you are going to be playing around in the source code of programs
[11:33] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: I may do that later, but not now. so, binary only!
[11:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:34] <orangelady> leejunfan: yeah, got html
[11:34] <orangelady> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">

302 Found</title>

The document has moved here.

Apache Server at blog.digg.com Port 80</address>

[11:34] <orangelady> Connection closed by foreign host.
[11:35] <DaSkreech> !paste
[11:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: watch the channel flooding - it will get you kicked.
[11:35] <orangelady> oh sorry, guess, that was spam
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Please don't paste here
[11:35] <orangelady> sorry again, i'm new, will try to learn!
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: was that everything?
[11:35] <orangelady> yep
[11:36] <newbie_1000> DaSkreech: is that right, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Yes
[11:37] <newbie_1000> ok
[11:37] <orangelady> leejunfan: yes
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: just for the sake of being thorough try ip route change default via [your gateway ip]  mtu 1492
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: sudo ip route...
[11:39] <orangelady> leejunfan: did that, didn't help
[11:40] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: try the telnet thing with 'telnet www.opera.com 80' then GET.
[11:40] <orangelady> leejunfan: i don't know if that is of any help, in my router setup i can set a mru value, it's at 1492, i can also choose to enforce mru, this is disabled
[11:41] <orangelady> leejunfan: got the whole page
[11:42] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: I think with ppp connections you should enforce mru.
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> orangelady: I have a feeling it's an image on one of the servers causing the pages not to load, when you telnet and GET you are asking only for the HTML which may be below an MTU packetsize anyway, but there's probably an image that's larger than the MTU causing it to hang on loading the page.
[11:44] <trappist> an image size > the mtu shouldn't keep it from loading
[11:45] <trappist> trying to load an image from an overloaded site might, for a while
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> trappist: no, but it's a pppoe connection with 1492 max MTU. If the remote site doesn't do pmtu discovery correctly then it's sending packets larger than orangelady's connection will xmit, and if somewhere between orangelady and the remote site DF [Don't fragment]  is set then it won't break up the 1500byte packet size to fit down the 1492pppoe connection.
[11:48] <trappist> LeeJunFan: the kernel should just reassemble the fragments in any case
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> trappist: there won't be any, it's a router.
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> they won't get past the router to the kernel.
[11:49] <cerda> the best software similar to guitar pro ?!?!?
[11:49] <trappist> cerda: what's it do, write tablature?
[11:49] <dell500> I just recently formated a 300GB SATA drive with a USB enclosure... the fs is in NTFS and I used the command 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /media/usb-sata' but it says it's the wrong fs for some reason
[11:50] <cerda> trappist, yes a program to write tabs for guitar, drums piano...
[11:51] <trappist> cerda: might try lilypond.  or songwrite/kguitar/gnometab/etktab for guitar-specific software.
[11:52] <orange_lady> leejunfan: when setting enforce mru, i had to disconnect and now my nick's still registered somehow, well here i am again, thanx again for your help so far
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: no prob. Any luck?
[11:53] <word> is there a way to assign a process to a certain x window?
[11:53] <orange_lady> leejunfan: and sure enough, this seems to have solved the problem!
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: cool! I was pretty sure we were barking up the right tree.
[11:53] <orange_lady> leejunfan: thanx a lot!
[11:54] <orange_lady> leejunfan: what's barking up a tree? i'm german... ;-)
[11:54] <trappist> word: can you elaborate
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: I have a feeling that when we tried the ip route change maybe we didn't set your MTU low enough to overcome it but if your router takes care of it - that's a better option anyway.
[11:54] <user___> when running sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8762-pkg2.run it complains about not being able to find ld ?
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: that we were on the right track, had the right idea what the problem was, etc... Just searching for a solution.
[11:55] <word> trappist: I want to use irexec to launch mythfrontend on my tv which uses a seperate 'sreen' or i think it's called a seperate x window.. anyway if I don't want it to launch in my monitor screen i want it to launch in my tv.
[11:55] <user___> but binutils-static is installed ?
[11:55] <word> trappist: when irexec is launched from that screen mythfrontend launches from that screen
[11:55] <word> but if i have it autostart it seems it doesn't start from the tv's window
[11:55] <trappist> user___: I've seen that before when trying to build a package.  couldn't find it in the chroot environment or something, I guess.  don't remember how I solved that, but make sure you have ld and friends - sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[11:56] <orange_lady> leejunfan: i think i even understand a little of what the problem was, well still don't really understand why windows can do it, but must be a setting in windows which is able to find the right mtu
[11:57] <trappist> word: oh, presumably your tv is set up as like another monitor, in which case you should be able to say something like DISPLAY=:1 irexec
[11:57] <edards_> ?
[11:57] <edards_> teste 18:57
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: I'm wondering the same thing - windows may have a smaller default MTU or somehow detect and set it's mtu differently.
[11:57] <word> trappist: oh that makes sense :D I'll try that now
[11:57] <user___> ad ld is called ld-static in /bin
[11:58] <orange_lady> leejunfan: it's those silly little things that make it so hard for a windows power user to get into linux, you just have to learn all this stuff from scratch...
[11:58] <trappist> user___: you don't have a /usr/bin/ld?
[11:59] <trappist> well that's all I got - I'm out
[11:59] <orange_lady> leejunfan: but well, this is great, after about a week of trying on my own and reading many many forums, this is finally solved, thanx a lot again!
[12:01] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: your welcome, this is one of those things you only know about if you've learned the hard way personally. I set the MTU on a dialup server too low once and had similar problems to different sites.
[12:01] <LeeJunFan> orange_lady: luckilly when the calls started coming in that hotmail.com wouldn't load I knew I had only changed 1 thing.. so it was easy to figure out.
[12:03] <user___> ok solved the ld problem now i need objcopy, anyone know what package this is in ?
[12:03] <orange_lady> leejunfan: well, just installed kubuntu, after about 10 years of windows, 5 yeats of which also doing some sysadmin stuff for a small company... much more than one thing that changed!
[12:04] <cerda> i cant get sound to work on flash :(
[12:07] <user___> how can i exit x server or can i move to a different init to install nvidia drivers ?
[12:08] <jordanR> #debian
[12:09] <DaSkreech> user___: Alt+Ctrl+F1


[00:38] <thomi> Hi - is there any way to mirror a mercurial repository on lp.net?
[09:57] <xnox> thomi: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/mercurial-imports-will-end-on-october-5th
[10:04] <caribou_> Hi, is there some specific permissions required to link a Debian bug to an existing ubuntu bug?
[10:08] <maxb> I don't think so
[10:10] <caribou> czajkowski: ^^
[10:10] <czajkowski> caribou: whats the bug you want to link to ?
[10:11] <caribou> czajkowski: the lp bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/makedumpfile/+bug/1103389
[10:11] <caribou> czajkowski:  the debian one is Bug#698755
[10:11] <czajkowski> it's linked there
[10:11] <czajkowski> under remote bug watches
[10:11] <czajkowski> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698755
[10:13] <czajkowski> caribou: ^^
[10:14] <caribou> czajkowski: sorry for the dupe pings btw
[10:14] <czajkowski> caribou: no worries :)
[10:14] <czajkowski> playing catch up from being over at fosdem
[10:15] <czajkowski> so my inbox is a bit mental
[10:15] <caribou> czajkowski: ah ok I see it now. I was looking at the top bar (I vaguely remember seeing reports with the debian bug over there)
[10:16] <caribou> czajkowski: thanks!
[10:19] <czajkowski> np
[11:14] <erupter> hello all. I'm trying to understand what are the steps needed to go from a building project, to a ppa repository. I went through the ppa official doc, but it still assumes things I don't know about. is there a thorough step-by-step tutorial from c/make to getting apt-get to install your package?
[11:18] <czajkowski> erupter: none that I know of you could of course ask your questions for help on launchpad-users mailing list
[11:19] <wgrant> erupter: You'll want to go through the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[11:19] <mgedmin> perhaps http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html would be helpful?
[11:47] <erupter> mgedmin, this seems at least a nice start :)
[11:53] <erupter> ok so my situation is this
[11:53] <erupter> there are a number of packages already available on launchpad for x86 and amd64.
[11:54] <erupter> what are the steps needed to make them available for armv7 too?
[12:10] <maxb> erupter: Seen the link in the channel topic?
[12:11] <erupter> maxb doing right now
[12:11] <geser> erupter: PPAs don't support arm for the public, only for canonical and linaro teams/employees
[12:12] <maxb> I believe that's old information
[12:12] <erupter> isn't there a way I can setup my own somehow?
[12:12] <StevenK> It is. https://dev.launchpad.net/CommunityARMBuilds
[12:13] <geser> oh, will remember that (hopefully :))
[12:13] <erupter> ok but I'm not in that situation. the packages are hosted on an external buildfarm and ppa, not on launchpad
[12:14] <czajkowski> geser: nope thats not true anymore
[12:14] <czajkowski> as maxb said look at the topic and follow the instructions
[12:16] <erupter> ok
[16:59] <leighman> get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1613366/ when trying to build with the following recipe http://paste.ubuntu.com/1613375/
[16:59] <leighman> any ideas?
[17:03] <dobey> well, the packaging branch is apparently out of date
[17:09] <leighman> dobey: out of date of what?
[17:09] <leighman> dobey: literally know nothing about packaging, working on quantal
[17:11] <dobey> the version in that branch, is not the version that's in the quantal archive; thus it is out of date
[17:11] <dobey> perhaps a bug in UDD or something. you can file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/UDD aobut it
[17:12] <mjg59> Is this the right place for issues with the Ubuntu launchpad instance, or should I be elsewhere for that?
[17:12] <dobey> also, i'm not sure what you're trying to do exactly, but a recipe build of that branch is probably not a good way to go about it
[17:12] <leighman> dobey: why?
[17:12] <dobey> mjg59: this is the right place
[17:12] <leighman> dobey: I want to build a patched version of goa and misc for quantal
[17:12] <dobey> leighman: because receipes aren't something that make packaging easier
[17:13] <mjg59> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/precise/qemu-kvm throws an error
[17:13] <dobey> leighman: you probably want to do the work locally and upload to your ppa then
[17:13] <mjg59> bzr: ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in (python stuff)
[17:14] <dobey> mjg59: that's not a launchpad issue specifically. sounds like an out of date branch issue for that branch. filing a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/UDD would be the best place to report that i think
[17:14] <dobey> (and i am off to lunch for now)
[17:15] <mjg59> Ok, I'll do that. Thanks!