[16:13] <adom> I need to set up something for IRC to ping on my phone when mentioned.  What do you guys use?
[16:13] <swift110> hey all
[16:13] <adom> ChinnoDog: sorry missed you
[16:13] <swift110> wow people are here
[16:14] <swift110> I can't believe it
[16:14] <adom> if you haven't seen it yet, I'm down for meetup
[16:14] <adom> haha hi swift110
[16:14] <swift110> how are you adom
[16:14] <adom> we check in here and there
[16:14] <adom> I'm well, you?
[16:14] <swift110> I went to the lug years ago when it was on M st
[16:14] <swift110> I'm great as well
[16:17] <adom> I haven't heard of a meetup in awhile, maybe we're overdue?
[16:17] <ChinnoDog> adom: you are alive!
[16:17] <adom> marcoceppi_: any recent meetups?
[16:17] <adom> haha
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> We are overdue.
[16:18] <adom> ChinnoDog: don't you use something specific for phone notifications for IRC mentions?
[16:18] <adom> thought you told me awhile back but forget now
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> I run the weechat mobile client
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> It connects to the built in proxy in weechat running on my server.
[16:21] <adom> so you keep weechat running on a server somewhere.
[16:21] <swift110> hmm
[16:22] <adom> I like keeping my irssi SSH sessions in this blinkenshell session.
[16:22] <ChinnoDog> Yes. Hosted in Canada.
[16:22] <adom> I've avoided hosting my own IRC sessions on my own servers to avoid IP attacks etc.
[16:22] <adom> I do have mask, but still...
[16:22] <ChinnoDog> Weechat interface is very similar to irssi.
[16:23] <adom> I've been messing around with CenterIM a bit here and there.
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> It supports more features though including multiple windows.
[16:23] <adom> Looks cool, just looking for more customization options and irssi gives me power to do almost anything.
[16:23] <adom> is it CLI as well?
[16:24] <ChinnoDog> Yes, weechat is CLI
[16:24] <adom> nice I'll havea look soon
[16:24] <adom> supports XMPP?
[16:24] <ChinnoDog> The moble client combines CLI with android GUI and local typing so lag is not an issue when chatting.
[16:24] <adom> oh nice
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> Idk about xmpp. I would use bitlbee for that.
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> I do have it set up here but no one ever IMs me anymore.
[16:26] <adom> yeah I have bitlbee setup here in irssi, could do same with weechat assuming it supports that.
[16:28] <adom> ChinnoDog: you see Snowden yet?
[16:28] <swift110> lol
[16:29] <ChinnoDog> Nope. No one else wanted to go!
[16:29] <adom> I'll go, but I request finding a place nearby.
[16:29] <adom> Oh Manassas is close enough, are you there yet?
[16:30] <swift110> lol
[16:30] <swift110> manassas is far
[16:30] <ChinnoDog> Yes. I live in Manassas. I picked Centerville because it is $6 on Tues. Manassas 4 is $5 on Tue and Wed but isn't as nice.
[16:30] <adom> swift110: where abouts are you located?
[16:30] <swift110> dc
[16:31] <adom> ChinnoDog: haha well whats theater in centerville? ill Google Maps it to see how far. could possibly head there after work.
[16:31] <adom> swift110: yeah that'd be far for you haha
[16:31] <adom> I'm in Woodbridge but work in Reston.
[16:31] <ChinnoDog> Rave Cinemas is Centerville
[16:31] <adom> k sec
[16:32] <marcoceppi_> adom ChinnoDog we are overdue, I'm out of the country but I'll be back this weekend
[16:32] <adom> oh that's not bad drive from work for me
[16:32] <adom> ...today?
[16:32] <adom> ChinnoDog: ^
[16:33] <ChinnoDog> Not today. Also it is not Tues. Tomorrow?
[16:33] <adom> marcoceppi_: yeah we finally caught up with swift110 while we're online! let's schedule something, haven't been playing with new release much yet...
[16:33] <adom> oh yeah sorry Tuesday.
[16:33] <adom> sure
[16:33] <ChinnoDog> Or next week if marcoceppi_ is joining us...
[16:34] <adom> what time? I'm good 4-6PM.
[16:36] <ChinnoDog> I work until 5. First showing after is 7:25
[16:36] <adom> :(
[16:36] <adom> I could swing it next Tuesday...
[16:36] <adom> or we could do Manassas theater
[16:36] <adom> how are times after 5PM there?
[16:36] <swift110> lol
[16:37] <ChinnoDog> Manassas 4 has a 5:50
[16:37] <adom> oh that could work
[16:37] <adom> sec Google Mapping
[16:38] <adom> yeah thats fine for me as well
[16:38] <adom> I'm down for Manassas 4 @ 5:50 either tomorrow or next Tuesday.  Your call.
[16:38] <ChinnoDog> Imho only the lounge in theater 1 is nice. It has recling chairs and a bar.
[16:39] <adom> that does sound nice.  I don't NEED a bar for movies, but they are great.
[16:39] <ChinnoDog> Idk how much longer it will be in. Lets do tomorrow.
[16:39] <adom> deal
[16:39] <adom> send me google calendar invite?
[16:39] <ChinnoDog> Not counting on it to be in University Mall on second run
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> I don't seem to have your email
[16:41] <adom> PMed
[16:41] <ChinnoDog> adom: oh.. I can't do tomorrow
[16:42] <adom> okay then lets schedule for next week and maybe marcoceppi_ can join. (hopefully still in theater)
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> Ok.
[16:47] <adom> back to the grindstone...
[16:47]  * adom directs attention back to work.


[01:06] <InHisName> Are you finished with that Dunkin' Donut yet, ChinnoDog ?
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: Yes. The coffee was good too.
[06:02] <ChinnoDog> The more I read about Ubuntu touch the more amazing it seems.
[09:38] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:54] <rmg51> Morning
[09:58] <JonathanD> Hey.
[09:58] <JonathanD> My stupid clock is stupid.
[09:59] <JonathanD> It's supposed to update itself for DST, but theres no way to correct the date it does so on.
[09:59] <JonathanD> So it did it today.
[10:38] <rmg51> time for a new clock
[10:39] <rmg51> mine has a switch
[10:39] <rmg51> DST on
[10:39] <rmg51> DST off
[10:40] <rmg51> doesn't matter when DST comes. Just flip the switch
[14:17] <waltman> http://www.mawode.com/blog/blog/2013/03/10/old-school-dst/


[17:10] <xnox> mgz: do you happen to know where does udd has it's database deployed? is it still on multiple sqlite .db files, or using a postgres instance somewhere?
[17:14] <mgz> it's just local still, I belive
[17:14] <mgz> when vila was looking at using juju, he was trying various things
[17:14] <mgz> but I don't think we changed anything with the running instance
[17:17] <xnox> mgz: i see. I'm planning to implement "shoot myself in the head, requeue option"
[17:17] <xnox> mgz: e.g. consider tags from the branch as the right ones, if I told you so. For the cases where slangasek pushed "rich" history instead of reusing "package-import" historic tags.
[17:18]  * xnox will migrate/snapshot over databases from jubany and see if i can poke them locally to implement that.
[23:57] <cjwatson> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/das-removechroot-api/+merge/171125 + http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/manage-chroot FYI
[23:58] <cjwatson> (And yes, that is seriously the least foul way I could find to do an upload progress bar ...)
[23:58] <cjwatson> No problems with an 18-minute or so chroot upload to prod from behind my crummy ADSL.


[07:51] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:54] <ricotz> seb128, good morning
[07:55] <seb128> ricotz, hey! how are you?
[08:04] <seb128> be back in 10min or so
[09:14] <KGB-2> glib Simon McVittie 433286 * commented merge request !26 * https://deb.li/3JMWy
[09:15] <ricotz> seb128, all good here :), how are you?
[09:15] <seb128> ricotz, I'm alright thanks!
[09:16] <ricotz> seb128, I have pushed a thunderbird 115.3.2 build to the ppa earlier
[09:17] <seb128> ricotz, ah, great, thanks. It will have to be a SRU or security update for mantic at this point but I will get it uploaded
[09:18] <ricotz> seb128, thanks!
[09:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 5f480aa Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/ubuntu/Disable-non-working-camera-microphones-panels.patch * https://deb.li/3PxeA
[09:51] <KGB-2> * d/p/u/Disable-non-working-camera-microphones-panels.patch:
[09:51] <KGB-2>   - fix the patch to not disable the entire privacy->devices section
[09:51] <KGB-2>     and restore access to the thunderbolt and security panels (lp: #2038907)
[09:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2038907 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu patch incorrect disable the thunderbolt and security panels" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038907
[09:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 1fcca3a Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:45.0-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/5MEe


[01:58] <zombu2> anyone awake?
[02:09] <__dan__> yeah i am
[02:09] <__dan__> seems to be full of channels all with 400 idlers in, this network
[02:09] <__dan__> wouldnt take it personally :) hehe
[02:10] <zombu2> heh maybe you can help me out
[02:10] <zombu2> i am trying to bond 2 nics
[02:12] <zombu2> i setup the bond interface but it seems to have trouble with the cards
[02:12] <zombu2> one is always disabled and the other one only works in single mode
[02:12] <__dan__> ooo i havent done that in a while, and if i remember correctly, the method of doing it changed since i last attempted it (debian etch i think)
[02:12] <zombu2> well i m loosing hair over it lol
[02:13] <zombu2> very limited info available
[02:13] <jerrcs> zombu2: Which mode are you using for bonding?
[02:13] <zombu2> i am trying to use mode 4
[02:13] <zombu2> 802.3ad
[02:15] <jerrcs> Ok, sorry.. I don't know anything about that.
[02:15] <__dan__> thats the aggregation one isnt it?
[02:15] <jerrcs> it appears so, yes
[02:15] <zombu2> yes you need a managed switch for that
[02:15] <zombu2> either way i have tried it with all modes
[02:15] <zombu2> i would be happy with roundrobin-rr for now
[02:16] <__dan__> I take it you've seen this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
[02:16] <jerrcs> zombu2: why roundrobin-rr?
[02:16] <jerrcs> zombu2: What are you trying to accomplish?
[02:17] <zombu2> end goal is to combine 2 nics for more speed
[02:17] <jerrcs> good luck.
[02:17] <zombu2> roundrobin would be a start
[02:17] <jerrcs> it doesn't quite work like that
[02:18] <jerrcs> it's not necessarily going to get you more speed, that is.
[02:18] <__dan__> i thought it would, if you had a compatible switch
[02:18] <zombu2> i m trying to get it to work anyways for learning sake
[02:18] <zombu2> but i m stuck
[02:19] <zombu2> during boot it says waiting additional 60 seconds
[02:19] <__dan__> might be waiting for DHCP
[02:19] <zombu2> waiting additional 60 seconds for network configurtation
[02:19] <__dan__> have you been through that URL I posted above?
[02:19] <zombu2> yes
[02:19] <jerrcs> I guess your results may vary.
[02:19] <zombu2> thats what i used to set it up
[02:20] <__dan__> are you on dhcp or static ip?
[02:20] <zombu2> for some reason eth0 gets renamed during boot to em1
[02:20] <zombu2> static
[02:20] <jerrcs> Change udev.
[02:20] <zombu2> how
[02:21] <jerrcs> You can rename it back to eth0, there's a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that has all of the interface listings
[02:21] <__dan__> how odd, i would expect to see em1 on freebsd haha
[02:21] <jerrcs> Wait, which version of Ubuntu?
[02:21] <zombu2> server 14.04
[02:21] <jerrcs> ok
[02:21] <zombu2> funny thing is only eth1 shows in rules.d
[02:22] <zombu2> using lshw i can see the second card is there but disabled
[02:22] <jerrcs> I don't have the file on mine.. but yeah, find the NIC that matches up with the mac address and name it accordingly
[02:22] <zombu2> i tried that too
[02:23] <zombu2> i added the mac and name to rules.d still no dice
[02:23] <zombu2> deleting the file and let it be recreated on boot only writes eth1
[02:23] <__dan__> if you're just testing, might be worth grabbing a coffee while you flatten and reinstall it :)
[02:23] <__dan__> make sure each nic is working first
[02:23] <jerrcs> actually, that's a bit weird. my 14.04 doesn't have the 70-persistent-net.rules
[02:24] <jerrcs> my 12.04 does, however
[02:24] <zombu2> wierd
[02:24] <zombu2> reinstall is not an option for now since it got about 3tb of data on the raid
[02:25] <__dan__> on the same partition??
[02:25] <__dan__> like, as root and all that
[02:25] <zombu2> no md0
[02:25] <zombu2> boot drive is a different hdd
[02:25] <zombu2> md0 is a mount
[02:25] <jerrcs> I think he was asking about your partition layout - whether or not / is the filesystem with the 3tb of data
[02:26] <zombu2> but i m afraid i cannot reassemble the mdadm device
[02:26] <jerrcs> Ah, ok
[02:26] <zombu2> no it is not
[02:26] <__dan__> ahhh i see what you mean
[02:26] <__dan__> yeah if you dont have a backup then maybe best not to risk it
[02:26] <zombu2> the md0 is mounted in /media
[02:27] <zombu2> yeah keeping a 3tb backup around is kinda hard to do
[02:27] <zombu2> i m low on space as it is lol
[02:27] <zombu2> now back to preventing udev from renaming the nic
[02:27] <__dan__> so what does ifconfig or ip link show, what interfaces does it think it has?
[02:28] <__dan__> eth0, em1 ?
[02:28] <zombu2> ifconfig -a shows em1 eth0 bond0 regular ifconfig just shows bond0 and loopback
[02:29] <zombu2> lshw always tells me that em1 is disabled
[02:29] <__dan__> how about ethtool?
[02:29] <jerrcs> ok, maybe you can just pastebin /etc/network/interfaces and then the output of "ip addr"
[02:29] <jerrcs> just to see what you're working with here
[02:29] <__dan__> ya good call
[02:29] <zombu2> i have to revert the bonding changes kinda ghard to paste it without net lol
[02:29] <zombu2> give me about 5 mins
[02:30] <__dan__> lol ya
[02:30] <jerrcs> well
[02:30] <zombu2> i just comment em out
[02:30] <jerrcs> you can always manually assign an IP to the interface w/o rebooting
[02:30] <jerrcs> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[02:30] <jerrcs> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:30] <jerrcs> etc etc
[02:30] <zombu2> brb
[02:30] <jerrcs> or em1, whatever it may be
[02:30] <jerrcs> alright
[02:31] <__dan__> not sure about that tbh, i got the implication that eth0 and em1 were both down
 ifconfig -a shows em1 eth0 bond0 regular ifconfig just shows bond0 and loopback
[02:31] <jerrcs> Yeah, I think it will help to see the "ip addr"
[02:31]  * __dan__ nods
[02:35] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/kKBFvFEv
[02:36] <zombu2> next coming up
[02:37] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/zKxe74Vg
[02:38] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/pgZSnFzS
[02:38] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/dKAXE2rx
[02:39] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/P4d2w3ym
[02:40] <zombu2> http://pastebin.com/VvATViyu
[02:40] <zombu2> that should be all
[02:41] <zombu2> at least what i can think off
[02:42] <__dan__> yeah you seem to be missing a line in your udev rules for the other nic
[02:43] <zombu2> yes
[02:43] <zombu2> seems so
[02:43] <__dan__> although not sure if that would be an issue anyway
[02:43] <__dan__> can you confirm if both nics are working independently?
[02:43] <zombu2> but it does not create it and even after deleting the rule and recreating it it s not there
[02:43] <zombu2> they are
[02:44] <zombu2> i pulled em out and tested both in another machine
[02:44] <__dan__> well, i mean can you assign an ip address to em1 and have it behave
[02:44] <zombu2> i can try real quick
[02:44] <zombu2> 1 sec
[02:44] <__dan__> im just trying to round down the problem mate
[02:44] <__dan__> to be honest this kind of thing isnt my strong suit
[02:46] <zombu2> yeah i understand
[02:46] <zombu2> no problem
[02:46] <zombu2> i m pulling my hair out as well lol
[02:46] <__dan__> yeah we've all been there :/ haha
[02:47] <__dan__> if it's any consolation, a friend of mine did this with 4 cards and im almost sure they were intel
[02:47] <__dan__> think the switches may have been extreme networks
[02:47] <__dan__> and that was with debian lenny i think
[02:48] <__dan__> you could also check that the kernel module is being loaded with lsmod
[02:48] <zombu2> all the cards are intel
[02:48] <zombu2> same ones too
[02:48] <__dan__> yeah whatever you can say about intel they make good wired nics
[02:49] <zombu2> in my other home server i run a 4 port intel server card
[02:49] <zombu2> and it seems as soon as i assign an ip to em1 and activate it i get the waiting for newtwork config
[02:49] <__dan__> used to have a few of those at a place i worked at, real nice kit
[02:49] <zombu2> seems the card is not behaving
[02:49] <zombu2> yeah the 4 port is great
[02:50] <zombu2> i got that one running roundrobin for now since i can t seem to get 802.3ad to run on linux mint lol
[02:50] <zombu2> but thats another story
[02:50] <__dan__> yeah one problem at a time fella :)
[02:51] <zombu2> yep lol i m glad rr works on that one lol
[02:51] <__dan__> almost 4am here so i might have to abandon you shortly
[02:51] <zombu2> seems there s an issue with the em1 not behaving
[02:51] <__dan__> yeah its not a good sign
[02:51] <zombu2> yeah np not like the problem is going away lol
[02:51] <zombu2> 4am damn where you at europe?
[02:52] <__dan__> haha to be honest if i were in your shoes i would be considering swapping the boot drive for a spare, disconnecting the raid array and reinstalling ubuntu fresh
[02:52] <zombu2> i might try that next
[02:52] <__dan__> then make careful changes based on what you learned, see if the em1 / eth1 thing is still a problem, etc
[02:52] <__dan__> I'm in England
[02:52] <zombu2> i have the bad feeling that something is interfereing
[02:53] <__dan__> well it does seem like udev is confused which is never a good omen
[02:53] <zombu2> yeah i wonder what happened
[02:53] <zombu2> ima see if there s a bios update for the board
[02:53] <zombu2> i hate amd lol
[02:54] <zombu2> difference on those cards is one is in a 4x slot and one is in a 16x
[02:54] <__dan__> oh mate i hate them all
[02:54] <__dan__> computers suck
[02:54] <__dan__> :)
[02:54] <zombu2> lol
[02:55] <zombu2> amd stuff so far has given me nothing but grief
[02:55] <__dan__> to be honest I haven't touched any of their stuff since athlon 64
[02:55] <__dan__> although the opteron stuff was never bad
[02:55] <zombu2> yeah but i had to get one of these apu contraptions since i didn t have enough to get a intel board
[02:56] <__dan__> ahhh yeah i would be less inclined to go for one of those
[02:56] <zombu2> i wasn t either but it was either that or nothing
[02:56] <__dan__> never had an ATI chipset board but had the displeasure of working with a couple of NVidia chipset boards - convinced me that graphics card manufacturers have no business making motherboard chipsets
[02:56] <zombu2> anyways how can i make udev not rename the card
[02:57] <zombu2> lol too true
[02:57] <__dan__> well, i dont think it's renaming the card, i think it's not doing anything with it, and thats the problem
[02:57] <zombu2> dmesg says its renaming eth0 to em1
[02:57] <__dan__> i would be inclined to copy the line concerning eth1 and replace it with eth0 and the details from the em1 card
[02:57] <zombu2> heh i did that too no change i think it gets ignored
[02:58] <zombu2> i tried to run the script that creates the entries manually but it always says missing $interfaces
[02:59] <zombu2> deleting the rules and rebooting creates a new one but leaves em1 out
[02:59] <zombu2>
[02:59] <zombu2> ima stick a realtek in there and see what it does
[03:00] <__dan__> yeah i was just looking at that - /lib/udev/write_net_rules
[03:00] <zombu2> yeah it gives me the missing $interfaces error running it
[03:01] <zombu2> i assume it s either looking for eth0 or it sbroken lol
[03:02] <zombu2> i read something about putting biosdevname=0 in grub.cfg or something
[03:03] <zombu2> to prevent renames
[03:03] <__dan__> i've always just edited that file, and it's always worked
[03:04] <zombu2> yeah i tried no dice
[03:04] <__dan__> once had a centos machine where eth0 had to be a specific nic
[03:04] <zombu2> i had a fedora machine do the rename thing on me caused all kinds of issues
[03:08] <zombu2> ima go and stick a realtek in it and see
[03:08] <zombu2> i bbl
[03:08] <__dan__> well good luck mate i tinkered with write_udev_rules but it does the same for me
[03:08] <__dan__> i gotta sleep
[03:08] <zombu2> yeah np nn i be back tomorrow
[03:08] <__dan__> gn :)
[04:11] <zombu2> hmm seems there is a problem with that 16x slot and nic cards
[04:12] <zombu2> video card works in it but nic cards get detected but do not work
[04:12] <zombu2> first time i ve seen that lol
[04:27] <sheptard> zombu2: interesting
[04:38] <zombu2> yes sheptard it is interesting i wonder if the board is defective or if it is a bios bug
[07:54] <Tazmain> hi all, for using rsync to a mounted ftp location if I want dayly and weekly backups should I write scripts with rsync and have them in cron.
[07:54] <sarnold> "mounted ftp location" -- that kinda terrifies me. please elaborate a bit.. :)
[07:55] <Tazmain> curlftpfs
[07:55] <sarnold> very terrified :)
[07:56] <sarnold> I'm mostly confident you would hate that solution.
[07:56] <sarnold> why can't you rsync directly to the remote system?
[07:57] <Tazmain> hahaha sarnold well its a local ftp to the server. and its the only backup solution they provided. Thing is I cannot figure out how to do that. The ftp needs a username and password. I have multiple directories to backup. If there is a better solution I would go with that .
[07:58] <sarnold> Tazmain: how much backup storage do they provide compared to your 'working' storage?
[07:59] <sarnold> Tazmain: probably a handful of tarballs would be better.
[08:02] <Tazmain> sarnold, they give us 50 gb . I only use about 4-7 gb
[08:02] <Tazmain> 100meg connection to the ftp
[08:05] <sarnold> Tazmain: nice. probably tar cfa /path/to/backup.tar.gz /path/to/dir1 /path/to/dir2 ... -- then ftp put your /path/to/backup.tar.gz
[08:06] <Tazmain> sarnold, is that now with rsync ?
[08:08] <sarnold> Tazmain: no, I wouldn't use rsync in your configuration at all -- rsync over an ftp-fs thing would be miserable. horrible. painful.
[08:08] <Tazmain> sarnold, can't rsync backup to ftp if it needs a username and password ?
[08:11] <Tazmain> sarnold, what would you suggest doing then to make backups to ftp. I have sql,web and a repository to backup.
[08:11] <sarnold> Tazmain: i'd save tarballs of your data locally and then ftp those tarballs to your ftp site
[08:12] <Tazmain> sarnold, okay but the only issue I see with that is that the ftp site will get full , I mean I am going to do daily backups of some stuff
[08:12] <sarnold> Tazmain: sure. delete the old ones after a week or two.
[08:13] <Tazmain> so I would have to write a bash script to do that ?
[08:13] <sarnold> Tazmain: sure, or python. take your pick of languages.
[08:14] <Tazmain> alright I have one last question how to I transfer the tarball to the ftp. I mean so far I had to either mount the ftp or go ftp site.address and then follow the promts to enter username and password.
[08:18] <sarnold> Tazmain: curl can do that, see curl --upload-file -- or you could use lftp or ncftp, I think both of those have easy upload ability from a single command
[08:18] <Tazmain> Awesome thank you I will try that.
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:53] <Adri2000> hi
[08:54] <Adri2000> is the cloud archive available for trusty yet?
[08:54] <cfhowlett> !cloud
[08:55] <Adri2000> cfhowlett: is that for me?
[08:55] <cfhowlett> Adri2000 yes.  sorry but that's all I "know" about cloud
[08:56] <sarnold> gaughen: looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive could use an update now that 14.04 is released :)
[08:58] <Adri2000> http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/ only shows precise
[08:58] <Adri2000> I'd be interested in more recent icehouse packages for trusty
[09:00] <sarnold> Adri2000: are the icehouse packages that shipped with trusty good enough for intiial testing?
[09:03] <Adri2000> sarnold: for initial testing maybe, but of course they have bugs and unfortunately some are blockers for me
[09:05] <Adri2000> like bug #1311047 which makes it impossible for people using horizon in french to launch an instance
[09:07] <sarnold> wow htat looks .. ungood.
[09:10] <Adri2000> sarnold: I thought canonical was doing CI and testing of every openstack commit into ubuntu. aren't those packages available anywhere?
[09:11] <sarnold> Adri2000: good question.
[09:16] <sarnold> Adri2000: ooh check this out: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+archive/icehouse
[09:16] <sarnold> Adri2000: note that I just found that from google. it looks useful. but I can't make any promises about whatever that might or might not be good for. :)
[09:18] <Adri2000> sarnold: perfect! well I guess the usual "this is not supported" and everything, but for my need right now (packages with recent bug fixes) it's alright
[09:18] <Adri2000> I might revert to the regular trusty-updates once the first openstack point release is uploaded there
[09:18] <Adri2000> thanks
[09:23] <Tazmain> sarnold can curl remove a file ?
[09:25] <sarnold> Tazmain: hrm. dunno. you may need a command line ftp client all the same :)
[09:27] <Tazmain> sarnold okay so if I have my backup.tar how would I in the bash script tell lftp to upload that ?
[09:28] <sarnold> Tazmain: that's the 'rm' command http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man1/lftp.1.html
[09:31] <InFierno> ;join #centos
[10:01] <Tazmain> sarnold, have a look at this, it keeps telling no such file or directory  *.gz  http://privatepaste.com/1ebcdd774d
[10:03] <sarnold> Tazmain: 'put' uploads a single file. you've given it a glob to expand, perhaps lftp doesn't do globbing for the 'put' command. it may not do globbing for the 'mput' command either..
[10:04] <Tazmain> sarnold, Awh I see I think mput wil work having a look now.
[10:05] <Tazmain> mput works :p
[10:12] <rob_____2> exit
[10:12] <rob_____2> :q
[10:12] <sarnold> rob_____2: /quit  :)
[11:06] <Tazmain>  hi all how can I make it that cron will run every second day ?
[11:10] <andol> Tazmain: */2
[11:10] <mardraum> Tazmain: man 5 crontab
[11:11] <Tazmain> andol, thank you.
[12:52] <Tazmain> andol, if I want cron to run at midnight is is 0 0 ?
[12:53] <Joe_DM> Tazmain 0 0 is midnight, 5 0 is 5 mins after midnight
[12:54] <Joe_DM> If you have a few jobs to run I'd recommend seperating them by a few minutes to prevent smashing the system all at once.
[12:54] <Tazmain> Joe_DM, okay cool was just wondering if it maybe took midnight as 24
[12:54] <Joe_DM> np
[13:16] <lkonia> you're all idiots
[13:16] <lkonia> #ubuntu offers more help
 Whats wrong?
[13:25] <Joe_DM> #ubuntu is spammed with desktop support
[13:30] <sarnold> Joe_DM: that's not ikonia, that's mikey, he's an annoying troll.
[13:30] <sarnold> Joe_DM: it's pointless to try to reason with mikey; the best approach is to quiet or ban him and move on.
[13:33] <Joe_DM> sarnold: lol, trolls, can't live with em... Can't live with em.
[13:33] <sarnold> Joe_DM: *nod*
[13:33] <ikonia> apologies all,
[13:34] <sarnold> thanks ikonia :)
[13:34] <cfhowlett> ikonia I wondered - but then I thought "Naw.  COULDN'T be!"
[13:36] <Joe_DM> ikonia: He's just jelious becasue of your cool i
[13:36] <ikonia> I doubt that
[13:36] <ikonia> thank you for the heads up though, normal service can be resumed
[13:39] <lkonia> I'm just jelious becasue of your i
[15:02] <leetdood> Is it possible to use a DNSBL with iptables?
[15:02] <leetdood> someone is attempting to spam my game via proxies (they got mad because they got banned)
[15:10] <gaughen> thanks sarnold. I had done some updating but missed some of the "next LTSes". Was trying to keep it simple since cloud archive doesn't yet apply to 14.04 since it won't have an archive until Utopic goes out.
[15:12] <cloudman> is there a way to change server locale without rebooting but keeping current session?
[15:12] <cloudman> 12.04 & 14.04
[15:24] <cloudman> difficult one eh :)
[15:24] <lordievader> cloudman: Sourcing /etc/default/locale sets it for the current session.
[15:25] <jrwren> leetdood: yes, it is possible, you'd have to script it yourself.
[15:25] <cloudman> ty
[15:25] <cloudman> have one for debian
[15:25] <jrwren> leetdood: a cron job or something that adds iptables rules from a DNSBL zone xfer, if you can zone xfer
[15:25] <leetdood> thank you
[15:26] <jrwren> leetdood: also, check out emerging threats rules, they make IP tables scripts for known bad guys
[15:26] <jrwren> http://rules.emergingthreats.net/
[15:27] <leetdood> thank you!
[15:27] <cloudman> anyone care to do the script, will pay
[16:24] <keithzg_> Hrmmmm, on my work desktop I keep getting kernel panics like https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4nMjWeofiio/U4isWvAbYGI/AAAAAAAAFnc/cfmJu5n4Ask/w1375-h774-no/IMG_20140530_100533864.jpg since upgrading to 14.04, even when killing lightdm and just running pure VTs...this last one appeared to happen a few hours after I left work last night.
[16:25] <keithzg_> Actually, the specific panic/fault seems to vary time to time, and often nothing at all is displayed. Meanwhile I can't seem to prove any hardware issues (memtest checks out fine, smartctl claims the main drive has no complaints, etc)
[16:27] <semiosis_> hallyn: ping re bug 1297218
[16:34] <hallyn> semiosis_: yeah, sorry, i don't have any specific info, other than it appears as though io requests may be being lost or something (causing qemu's io threads to hang and eventually become too numerous, outstanding io)
[16:35] <hallyn> may even only be with o_direct
[16:35] <hallyn> but it doesn't happen with other backing stores, so i figured i'd mark it against glusterfs.  <shrug>
[16:35] <semiosis_> hallyn: my hunch is that the vm hangs while gluster does some healing or integrity checking.  i'll try to get the gluster team to take a look.  i'll also update my qemu-glusterfs package for trusty in the ppa (semiosis/ubuntu-qemu-glusterfs) and ask the reporter to try with that instead of a fuse mount
[16:37] <hallyn> semiosis_: thanks.  (though to be honest the fuse mount with the easy scalability is the most interesting part of gluster to me so i'm hoping if there are any issues there they get worked out)
[16:38] <hallyn> (of course, the way i'd use it wouldn't be affected by that probably :)
[16:39] <semiosis_> the qemu-glusterfs integration just skips fuse at the top, replacing it with a C library (libgfapi) linked directly into qemu.  all the scalability & fault tolerance are the same
[17:10] <toyotapie> Hello, I just installed spamassassin as a pre-queue filter. Postfix sends to port 10025 and spamassassin sends it back on port 10026. How does spamassassin know to send the email to port 10026 and not another port ? Can I change the port being used ?
[18:42] <xibalba> anyone here use btsync?
[19:51] <fridaynext> for the mutt users in here, anyone have a notification set up (i.e. notification center on mac) to alert you of new mail?
[20:02] <ikonia> notification center on mac for mutt? ? but you're asking in #ubuntu-server ?
[20:06] <pmatulis> yeah, try #mutt on Freenode fridaynext
[20:51] <jetsaredim> is there a way to get apt-cacher to cache http files that get downloaded within packages?
[20:51] <jetsaredim> eg: the webupd8 oracle java packages that retrieve the jdk during the package install
[20:55] <jrwren> jetsaredim: nope
[20:59] <rberg_> jetsaredim: for that I would use make-jpkg and create a proper java deb


[11:00] <EDinNY> How do you make the screensaver work?
[13:01] <studio-user698> EDinNY, hi
[13:02] <studio-user698> actualy i don't know defaults setting for screne saver but you can install xscreensaver in order to make your scren funky where your not in front of your computer ..
[13:02] <studio-user698> (i m not from ubuntu studio staff just end user)
[13:03] <studio-user698> when not where
[14:19] <OvenWerks> EDinNY: Ya you have to actually install a screen saver. Studio just uses the power manager to blank the screen after a period of inactivity. I think the reason was twofold. First that there were some issues with the screen savers locking up at the time and second blanked was though to be a better choice for something that may end up in a business.
[14:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Also, I believe xscreensaver had security issues, and as such was depricated in favor of lightlocker.
[14:21] <EDinNY> There was no icon on "settings" until I installed  xscreensaver
[14:21] <OvenWerks> EDinNY: it would be in power manager in settings
[14:21] <ErichEickmeyer> EDinNY: Just know you use xscreensaver at your own risk due to the security issues I just mentioned.
[14:21] <OvenWerks> under display and security
[14:23] <OvenWerks> If there is no public access to the system there should not be a problem. (though I don't know about remote access stuff as I don't use it)
[14:24] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: we may wish to create a *.desktop file that says screen saver but points at power manager :)
[14:24] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Not a bad idea.
[14:28] <OvenWerks> Our icons already include a screen saver icon.
[14:28] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: and a susehelpcenter?
[14:33] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Wait... whut?
[14:33]  * ErichEickmeyer smells a bug
[14:36] <OvenWerks> I am just looking at the gnome icons directory
[14:39] <OvenWerks> There are three icons the same (maybe more): xfce-man, susehelpcenter, khelpcenter, help-browser, gnome-help.. the original seems to be help-browser and the rest are links.


[05:08] <maxiaojun> how file associations became something that one has to resort to ubuntu tweak?
[05:24] <maxiaojun> how file associations became something that one has to resort to ubuntu tweak?
[06:23] <maxiaojun> how file associations became something that one has to resort to ubuntu tweak?
[06:27] <sarnold> maxiaojun: perhaps you can rephrase your question?
[06:28] <maxiaojun> do you have problems understanding that?
[06:29] <maxiaojun> another issue, when run "update-manager -d" on raring, it finds saucy and claim it as a beta
[06:32] <sarnold> maxiaojun: I don't know what linux file associations are, I don't know what program or database would maintain them, and I'm not sure what would be wrong about using ubuntu tweak to tweak them, if it in fact can :)  there's just a lot about the question I don't understand.
[06:33] <maxiaojun> sarnold: google and learn what linux file associations are, otherwise, piss off
[06:34] <sarnold> maxiaojun: sorry. I'm just trying to be helpfu; you're the one who has asked the same question three times without any response.
[06:35] <sarnold> maxiaojun: most people don't bother responding to questions they don't know about; I thought if you expanded your question to describe what you're talking about (gnome? kde? mimetypes?) you might find someone who does know what you're truing to ask.
[06:37] <maxiaojun> sarnold: i'm talking about ubuntu proper, which runs unity, i don't think i have to state that explicitly here
[06:37] <sarnold> maxiaojun: and please note that in american english, "piss off" is much less polite than it might be in british english.
[08:55] <mlankhorst> @pilot out
[08:55] <mlankhorst> oops :P
[08:55] <mlankhorst> morning
[11:01]  * ogra_ sighs ...
[14:20] <sconklin> @pilot in
[16:33] <jcastro> ev, what's the vertical scale on the left on errors.ubuntu.com represent, number of errors as a whole or a percentage or .. ?
[16:35] <ogra_> it represents our ability of drawing shiny bars in CSS :)
[16:35] <ogra_> (though grey on white is probably not *that* shiny)
[17:34] <ev> jcastro: the average number of errors per calendar day. This will change to be the weighted average number of errors per calendar day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#Calculating_daily_error_rates
[17:34] <ev> ^ mpt explains the motivation better than I ever could :)
[17:46] <jibel> cjwatson, latest coreutils fails autopkgtest, I filed bug 1246805 .
[17:56] <cjwatson> jibel: Yes, I've been working on it for the last hour or so already
[17:56] <cjwatson> Following the mail
[17:56] <cjwatson> jibel: I'll apply a different patch, I don't think yours is sufficient
[17:56] <cjwatson> jibel: If nothing else the list of tests needs to be updated
[17:58] <cjwatson> And it doesn't handle skipped tests remotely right, so I'm working on a more general update ...
[17:58] <cjwatson> But thanks for the note
[18:01] <jibel> cjwatson, thanks. There are 8 tests added to 8.21 but I didn't know if you left them aside on purpose, a quick run of them in our testing env shows that some of them are failing.
[18:07] <cjwatson> jibel: I just forgot to rescan
[19:09] <cjwatson> jibel: Can you see why https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-pbuilder/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/6/console is failing?  Are autopkgtests of main packages constrained to use only main for test dependencies for some reason, perhaps?
[19:17] <dobey> cjwatson: doh. scared me for a second! i thought you were blocking *my* uploads. :)
[19:26] <infinity> dobey: We are.  Just yours.  For ever.
[19:27] <dobey> cool. i'll just upload everything as clicks instead
[19:28] <dobey> and i'll assign all the u1 bugs to infinity :)
[19:31] <infinity> dobey: If you hate your users, that would work well.
[19:43] <Noskcaj> Where can i find the source of packages on deb-multimedia? I'm trying to merge some of the remaining packages in ubuntu
[19:49] <hallyn_> i'm confused by my iptables behavior.  the -w flag was introduced with 1.4.20, and i don't see it in the saucy iptables package source.  but iptables -w works on my saucy host
[19:50] <hallyn_> oh!  it is there.
[19:51] <hallyn_> introduced with a horribly named patch under debian/patches
[19:51] <hallyn_> so drat.  that means upstreams can't use just iptables version numbers to check for -w support
[19:51] <hallyn_> si there a configure.ac stanza i can use to check whether a command with a particular flag returns 0 or 1?
[19:54] <hallyn_> hm, maybe AC_PATH_PROGS_FEATURE_CHECK ?
[19:55] <tarpman> Noskcaj: is deb-src not working for you? the repository does appear to contain the expected Sources files
[19:55] <tarpman> Noskcaj: e.g., deb-src http://deb-multimedia.org/ unstable main non-free
[19:55] <Noskcaj> tarpman, It might, i've not tried.
[19:56] <Noskcaj> There's no way to get it off the website?
[19:56] <tarpman> sure. http://deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mplayer-dmo/ for example
[21:52] <jamespage> infinity, point taken about dpkg fix for quantal and raring; its not a specific target so I'm not going to make busy work
[22:03] <infinity> jamespage: Great, can you just wontfix those tasks, then?
[22:03] <jamespage> infinity, sure can
[22:03] <jamespage> (forgot I even raised them)
[23:16] <seb128> slangasek, do you have bugs open for the compiz issues you mentioned the other day? I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/763148 but it seems it should be fixed in the current version (if the launchpad status is correct)
[23:41] <slangasek> seb128: hmmm I'll look around for the bug; technically, it's true that bug #763148 is fixed in that windows no longer move between workspaces, but they *do* move around on the workspace instead of maintaining their relative positions
[23:42] <slangasek> seb128: I suspect a separate bug was never opened, because I threw up my hands once things regressed after my previous fix
[23:43] <seb128> slangasek, ok, having a new bug would be good, the unity7 is wanting to put them on their list for this cycle
[23:44] <slangasek> ok


[11:47] <ahoneybun> anyone seen that email from A. Mani in the Mailing list?
[11:48] <ahoneybun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2016-May/001223.html
[11:56] <ahoneybun> mhall119 here sorry
[12:15] <knome> o hai ahoneybun :)
[12:15] <knome> a few more questions about the DVD's...
[12:16] <knome> what are the details of the actual producting of those?
[12:16] <knome> and with what kind of policies - you said they would be mostly for locos - would that mean somebody at canonical would send them out (instead of sending them to the kubuntu team to send out)?
[12:17] <knome> also, if you have some photos of the previous covers in action, that would be nice to see - for planning our layout
[12:17] <knome> and yet another one... what's the DVD itself going to look? have you been able to affect the layout of that before?
[12:26] <jcastro> jose: ping
[13:14] <dholbach> posting the schedule to the social media
[15:19] <jose> jcastro: ponf
[15:19] <jose> pong
[15:20] <jcastro> jose: you should get an email with the REQ for SELF todayish
[15:20] <jcastro> lmk if you don't get it
[15:20] <jose> cool thanks!
[16:59] <dpm> oh wow, it seems folks are starting to pre-populate questions for Mark's Q&A in the etherpad
[16:59] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/meeting/22664/mark-shuttleworths-qa/
[17:03] <knome> dpm, any updates on the doc team leadership issue?
[17:05] <AuroraAvenue> dpm, that's myself :)
[17:06] <AuroraAvenue> I take it everyone's at lunch - or is there a secret hangout somewhere ?
[17:56] <dpm> knome, sorry, just came back from the break. We discussed it and I took an action to submit a proposal this week, based on the feedback from the last meeting, it's just been UOS, sorry
[18:44] <ahoneybun> knome mhall119 had a spreadsheet with prices, I'm not sure about the sending to LoCo thing
[18:45] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin in #kubuntu made 1 sleeve in black and white as a test
[18:58] <dpm> good work mhall119 and popey
[18:59] <popey> so many questions
[19:03] <Mister_Q> +1 good job
[19:03] <Mister_Q> he didn't answer the question about ubucon europe.. again :D
[19:58] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow again!
[20:52] <knome> mhall119, hello! as you might have seen, we've been talking about DVD's for kubuntu/xubuntu with ahoneybun; he mentioned you have more information about that (like prices), i'd like to have $all information please
[20:53] <mhall119> knome: it's from last year, so may not be accurate anymore, but I'll find the doc
[20:54] <knome> thanks
[20:54] <knome> anything we can get is useful
[20:54] <mhall119> knome: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HnooSpzP9p9cvql8GEQe7J-A1rNLq8qpRs_cH_gaZIk/edit?usp=sharing
[20:54] <knome> also if you happen to know more about the process, all information is welcome
[20:54] <mhall119> the cell in green was our favorite for a 15.10 run, but I think we can go bigger for 16.04
[20:54] <knome> pleia2, see the link mhall119 posted above
[20:55] <mhall119> knome: all I know is that this is the company Canonical used to print DVDs
[20:55] <knome> mhm
[20:55] <wxl> waaaait a minute
[20:55] <mhall119> we were going to have someone from Canonical (Tom McFarlan) place the order
[20:55] <wxl> oh man
[20:55] <knome> did kubuntu pay this from their own stash or did canonical help with the funding?
[20:55] <wxl> lubuntu wants in please :)
[20:57] <knome> mhall119, do *you* happen to have some photos of the actual product (to see how the layouting works in real life), or does the company have some examples?
[20:57] <mhall119> knome: nothing was done for 15.10, it was decided it wasn't worth doing it with an LTS coming so soon
[20:57] <mhall119> knome: but the plan was to use community donation funding to pay for it
[20:58] <knome> okay
[20:58] <mhall119> knome: do you have a 14.04 DVD? it's essentially that with different art
[20:58] <knome> what was the plan re: shipping to locos/other teams? does canonical handle that or flavors?
[20:58] <knome> no, we don't have any DVD's yet
[20:59] <mhall119> knome: we never got that far, but my plan was to ship them all to somebody in Kubuntu (aaron most likely) and leave it to them to decide how to dispurse them
[20:59] <knome> creating the art and getting it into the right layout isn't the problem, but it would be helpful to see how it plays out
[20:59] <knome> that sounds fair enough indeed
[21:00] <mhall119> knome: ahoneybun did the art for the Kubuntu ones, I think he used the Ubuntu 14.04 art as a template
[21:00] <knome> right - i saw the kubuntu layouts
[21:00] <knome> i have one specific question regarding the layout
[21:00] <knome> just a sec...
[21:01] <knome> so the art is at https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Artwork
[21:01] <knome> and i see two different fronts, and one back
[21:01] <knome> my logic says that in the back image, the smaller "slip" should be on the right side
[21:03] <mhall119> knome: the big cog is inside the sleeve where the DVD sits
[21:03] <mhall119> I believe the layout there is correct
[21:04] <knome> this is exactly why it would be helpful to see a visualization of the actual product
[21:04] <knome> is the company name a secret or can you share it, so i can look on their website for potential examples
[21:05] <mhall119> I doubt it's a secret, I just never bothered to ask since we were going to place the other through Canonical anyway
[21:05] <mhall119> and we did all this via msm, before she left
[21:05] <knome> ack
[21:08] <knome> mhall119, this -> http://design.canonical.com/2014/05/new-dvd-design-for-14-04-lts/ <- explains it a bit; maybe it's a mistake that the left side seems to be a "smaller" slip, as it seems to be the exact same size
[21:09] <knome> mhall119, am i correct in my assumption (that all the parts are same sized)?
[21:10] <knome> i mean i *have* seen a ubuntu dvd, but i've passed them out so quick that i have no clear memory how one looks..
[21:13] <mhall119> knome: they should all be the same size, yes
[21:14] <knome> ack
[21:15] <knome> also as you see in the photo, there seems to be two bends right next to the mouth of the sleeve
[21:16] <knome> would it be too much to ask that somebody contacted the company producing those DVDs and asked for exact specifications and requirements they have (including whether they accept inkscape exported, likely RGB, PDF)
[21:19]  * ahoneybun just got out of the Podcast
[21:19] <knome> ahoneybun, if you have answers to the plethora of questions i asked, happy to hear from you too ;)
[21:20] <ahoneybun> there are a lot, yes lol
[21:20] <knome> don't worry, i can come up with a dozen more easily!
[21:20] <ahoneybun> I'm sure XD
[21:20] <ahoneybun> the passion is good though
[21:20] <knome> practically, if you have the exact requirements from the company, that's enough
[21:21] <knome> well, likely enough
[21:21] <knome> i do graphic design (along with a few other things) for living anyway :P
[21:21] <ahoneybun> then you would be better then me at it lol
[21:22] <knome> i'll leave others to judge that
[21:23]  * ahoneybun trys to find pictures
[21:23]  * ahoneybun fails
[21:23] <knome> ahoneybun, if http://design.canonical.com/2014/05/new-dvd-design-for-14-04-lts/ is what it is, then it's ok - i've figured it out
[21:23] <knome> but if it is, then it looks like there is something wrong in your template...
[21:23]  * knome hides
[21:24] <ahoneybun> I used the newest Kubuntu one as a template I think
[21:24] <ahoneybun> which was 11.04 I believe
[21:24] <knome> well you can see above what i think is the problem
[21:24] <knome> anyway, it seems like it would be better to confirm with the company at this point
[21:25] <ahoneybun> Tom's problem was that it did not follow the design of 14.04
[21:25] <knome> design of 14.04 in what way?
[21:25] <ahoneybun> which I said was that I went by KDE design
[21:25] <ahoneybun> that folding paper thing
[21:25] <knome> indeed
[21:25] <knome> so you *do* have the wrong template
[21:26] <ahoneybun> compared to 14.04, yes
[21:26] <knome> i repeat: it seems like it would be better to confirm with the company at this point
[21:26] <ahoneybun> ubuntu flavor wise
[21:26] <ahoneybun> well Tom I guess
[21:26] <ahoneybun> but he will say go by Ubuntu 14.04 design or 16.04 at this point
[21:26] <ahoneybun> all the same it is the same price to print
[21:26] <ahoneybun> pretty much
[21:27] <knome> i don't understand why flavors should use the ubuntu design
[21:27] <knome> i mean of course it would be preferrable if there was some kind of common ground, but exactly that design...
[21:27] <ahoneybun> we should follow our DE design
[21:27] <knome> indeed
[21:27] <knome> and the technical requirements
[21:27] <ahoneybun> ie XFCE, KDE, LXCE
[21:27] <knome> which is what we are missing ;)
[21:28] <knome> so who's tom and how do i get a hold of him?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> he is at the top of that post you linked
[21:28] <ahoneybun> :)
[21:28] <knome> aha!
[21:28] <ahoneybun> email, twitter, g+, facebook
[21:28] <ahoneybun> many ways lol
[21:29] <knome> tom.macfarlane@u ?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> canonical
[21:29] <knome> right, of course...
[21:58] <knome> ahoneybun, mhall119: YGM
[21:58] <knome> pleia2, ^
[21:58] <ahoneybun> mm?
[21:58] <knome> mail!
[21:59] <ahoneybun> k
[22:00] <knome> though no hurry (or need) to respond unless you feel like...
[22:08] <ahoneybun> I think it was right to the point and full of info
[22:09] <knome> as my mails usually, even if i say so ;)
[22:09] <knome> people have wasted enough of my time sending too long and useless mails - i don't want to do that to people
[22:09] <knome> on irc, on the other hand...
[22:47] <ahoneybun> mhall119 did you get a chance to look at that email?
[23:18] <mhall119> ahoneybun: the thread from A. Mani?
[23:18] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:18] <mhall119> I did, haven't had much time to think about a reply though
[23:20] <ahoneybun> k


[00:13] <guiverc> praying_mantis, if you `file iwlwifi-..` you'll get more info on what is in the file, which I'd hope would provide a clue.  Next I'd hope intel website had some instructions
 @venik212 [<venik212> Loud-- it must be your BIOS settings.   Mbr only. Doesn't have an option for uefi. I played with that system for around 2 months last summer and then finally gave up.
[15:50] <venik212> If anyone is interested-- I solved my problem with changing keyboard layouts in Lubuntu 18.10.  The problem seems to have been interference from Ibus and other input method changing apps.  When I purge my system of all of them (Ibus, Fcitx), the built-in facility (in keyboard/layouts) worked as advertised.
[15:51] <venik212> to be fair-- there is a note in the keyboard layout dialog warning of a possible interference from Ibus etc.  I  missed it initially... ;-(
 thanks for sharing venik212
[17:11] <venik212> anyone knows how to keep the OnBoard virtual keyboard from reverting to its default size after I make it larger?  It stays the size I want for a few seconds, and then becomes small again and returns to the upper left corner.  Lubuntu 18.10 fresh install, LXQt
[17:17] <lynorian> venik212:  I really don't know how it is doing that it stays the same size for me I wish I could but I don't know why it is doing that
[17:17] <lynorian> Do you have auto show enabled?
[17:17] <venik212> it USED to work on previous versions, before the LXQt change...  Are you using 18.10?
[17:19] <lynorian> yes  it still does for me but we may not have gnome accessbility stuff for autohide to work
[17:20] <venik212> I just tried it, but enabling autoshow did not solve it
[17:20] <venik212> I feel that the LXQT was a step back in stability.. ;-(
[17:21] <venik212> I had troubles with things that worked in the pas
[17:22] <venik212> past
[17:22] <venik212> Is there something you need to do to freeze the size at the size you want, or just let go of the corner?
[17:23] <lynorian> I actually asked if you had autoshow enabled and wondered if disabling would solve it
[17:24] <venik212> I tried both ways-- no dice
[17:53] <venik212> how do you change the size on your computer?  I long press the cross key, and pull on the corner
[17:54] <lynorian> I just pull on the corner with the mouse
[17:54] <venik212> It also jumps back to its place in the uppt of thereer left corner if I move it ou
[17:54] <venik212> out of there
[17:58] <venik212> I guess I have to give up-- maybe go back to gnome..
[18:04] <venik212> or LXDE, both of which seem more stable and bug free (relatively)


[02:25] <infinity> ogra_: Reviewed and accepted.
[02:25] <infinity> ogra_: A bit shocked that those drivers don't both ship in the same tarball (or even just as the same driver), but whatever.  nvidia never ceases to confuse.
[03:09] <lilstevie> infinity, heh that is nvidia for you, I'm not even quite sure what the difference between the T2 and T3 pack is yet
[07:38] <marvin24> lilstevie: the avp firmware is different, but that's also a different tarball ...
[07:44] <lilstevie> marvin24, yeah I know the avp firmware is, but that is cause the avp is different in general from what we have seen
[07:45] <lilstevie> marvin24, but the acceleration xorg driver and libs that you guys package up for the ac100 work just fine on the tf201
[08:22] <marvin24> lilstevie: the original tar gz (for up to abi 12) contains a lot more
[08:22] <marvin24> e.g. kernel, bootloader, ...
[08:22] <marvin24> abi13 driver was released as a single tegra_drv.so (which is identical for tegra2/3)
[08:45] <lilstevie> marvin24, oh yeah, bootloader and stuff could easily go in the same tarball though
[08:45] <lilstevie> given size is not big
[09:20] <marvin24> maybe customers may get confused if they see more than one kernel ;-)
[09:44] <lilstevie> maybe
[09:44] <lilstevie> although that would be a little troubling :p
[13:28] <wookey> infinity: my build is failing with ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/init-first.c:102:1: sorry, unimplemented: function profiling
[13:28] <wookey> and indeed it is unimplemented. Where do I turn it off for the arm64 build?
[13:29] <wookey> (eglibc)
[13:33] <wookey> aha debian/sysdeps/arm64.mk looks plausible. --disable-profile
[14:29] <doko> ogra_, is the openscenegraph ftbfs on arm the gl/gles problem?
[14:29] <ogra_> dunno, i didnt even know it ftbfs
[14:29] <doko> asking because a whole lot of things b-d on it
[14:30] <ogra_> (/me is on a special forces project until UDS ... so i didnt follow the ftbfs list)
[15:15] <janimo> marvin24, what's the prospect of ac100 being all mainlined, any ETA?
[15:15] <janimo> any blockers still?
[15:15]  * janimo hopes it's there by 13.04 :)
[15:15] <marvin24> janimo: it is (all) mainlined for over a year now
[15:15] <marvin24> unfortunately, tegra2 support isn't ...
[15:16] <marvin24> I would also prefer to move to mainline for 13.04
[15:16] <marvin24> we already lost supend with 3.1, so it shouldn't matter if we lose some more stuff ;-)
[15:17] <janimo> marvin24, well I mean ac100 support as in working out of the box :)
[15:17] <janimo> and your insight on where the tegra2 upstreaming stands
[15:18]  * ogra_ doesnt think there is anything gfoing on wrt upstreaming the tegra2/3 bits
[15:19] <ogra_> especially in the light that they are mostly developed for android which uses snapshot kernels
[15:20] <ogra_> as long as android moves with that practice i doubt we'll see changes here
[15:20] <marvin24> janimo: it works out of the box if you add the drm driver
[15:21] <marvin24> ogra_: wrong, e.g. today lp2 support was added for tegra3
[15:21] <ogra_> ah, nice
[15:21] <marvin24> I think tegra2 has it already
[15:21] <janimo> what's lp2
[15:21] <ogra_> well, they still build their binary drivers against a special kernel tag usually
[15:21] <marvin24> but I haven't looked lately
[15:22] <ogra_> and i doubt that will change in the short term
[15:22] <ogra_> marvin24, janimo's dream is to use mainline for ac100 (and other tegras) in 13.04
[15:22] <marvin24> ogra_: tegra drm will likely come to staging in 3.8
[15:23] <ogra_> when is 3.8 due ?
[15:23] <marvin24> and "they" already made some changes to mainline to get their propietary driver working
[15:23] <janimo> 6 mo probably
[15:23] <ogra_> early 20013 ?
[15:23] <ogra_> oops
[15:23] <marvin24> no, we are not that slow
[15:23] <ogra_> didnt mean to exaggerate that much :)
[15:23] <marvin24> ;-)
[15:24] <marvin24> so we will endup in a situation where both drivers are supported
[15:24] <marvin24> the open one likely without any 3d or video accel
[15:24] <ogra_> thats fine
[15:24] <ogra_> and thats how i use the closed one atm :)
[15:24] <marvin24> I hope I didn't look too deep into the glass
[15:25] <ogra_> on my ac100 at least
[15:26] <lilstevie> yeah, O cam
[15:26] <lilstevie> er
[15:27] <lilstevie> I can't say I use the 3D and video accel on my prime either
[15:29] <ogra_> well, and what for :)
[15:29] <ogra_> there isnt really much thats built for GLES
[15:36] <lilstevie> ogra_, yeah, and I really don't watch videos on my prime anyway
[16:05] <ppisati> ogra_: by any chance, did you try Q on your beagle?
[16:05] <ogra_> nope
[16:05] <ppisati> ok
[16:06] <ppisati> anyway, problem found and fix too
[16:06] <ppisati> i'll send a pull req tonight
[16:06] <ppisati> (after gym)
[16:06] <ogra_> ppisati, you rock !
[16:06] <ogra_> will test with the fix then
[21:02] <sakoman_> was the CONFIG_HIMEM issue on Pandaboard ever resolved?
[21:03] <sakoman_> (i.e. random crashes when trying to do a kernel build if CONFIG_HIMEM was set)
[21:04] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-3.5.0-211-omap4
[21:04] <ogra_> # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set
[21:04] <ogra_> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
[21:05] <ogra_> we have it enabled since a while, so yes
[21:05] <ogra_> at least in 12.04 and 12.10 it should be fine
[21:05] <sakoman_> do you recall what the issue root cause was?
[21:05] <ogra_> no, but there was a bug
[21:05] <sakoman_> I'm working on another OMAP4 based system and it too has random crashes if HIMEM is enabled :-(
[21:06] <sakoman_> running 3.6
[21:06] <ogra_> bug 633227
[21:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633227 in linux-ti-omap4 "instabilities with highmem activated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633227
[21:06] <ogra_> we use 3.5 in 12.10, seems pretty solid
[21:07] <ogra_> but we dont use mainline. mind you
[21:10] <sakoman_> hmmm . . . not really clear from that bug exactly what fixed the problem :-(
[21:17] <GrueMaster> What ever became of devicetree for arm?  I'm reading articles covering the 3.7 kernel, and they don't even seem the same.
[21:57] <rsalveti> sakoman_: I don't think we got to the point of finding exactly what was the patch that fixed the issue
[21:57] <rsalveti> I believe that at some point it just worked as expected
[21:58] <tinti> Hi, can someone give me a hint about how to debug linux kernel boot without JTAG? I was thinking in use early_printk and try to use usb debug
[23:58] <wookey> tinti: DEBUG_LL is useful in early linux boot
[23:58] <tinti> wookey: thanks :)
[23:58] <wookey> maybe that's what's called early_printk these days
[23:58] <wookey> it writes direct to serial port
[23:59] <wookey> or probably USB these days, as no-one has serial ports anymore


[07:35] <Kilos> morning superfly dLimit nuvolari and others
[07:36] <Kilos> maybe the pro at work already too
[07:36] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:36] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:36]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:37] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:40] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:40] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:41] <kodez> greetings to all. how's your monday?
[07:41] <superfly> hi kodez
[07:41] <kodez> hi superfly, how are you?
[07:42] <superfly> doing OK thanks
[07:42] <Kilos> hi kodez
[07:42] <kodez> hi kilos, how are you?
[07:42] <kodez> why is the room quite today?
[07:43] <Kilos> fine ty good ty and you
[07:43] <Kilos> everyone is busy at work or not there yet
[07:43] <Kilos> some start late and end late
[07:43] <kodez> i'm in good shape and spirit
[07:43] <Kilos> great
[07:43] <kodez> i'm unemployed
[07:44] <superfly> *quiet
[07:44] <Kilos> kodez, is that good?
[07:44] <kodez> eish, yes @superfly
[07:44] <kodez> kilos, not at all. i am always broke
[07:44] <Kilos> the fly is our auto spell checker
[07:45] <kodez> hence i'm not a regular
[07:45] <superfly> kodez: where are you in life? just out of school/college/university?
[07:45] <Kilos> haha kodez join the family
[07:45] <superfly> what skillz do you have?
[07:45] <kodez> in university. unisa
[07:46] <superfly> studying compsci?
[07:46] <kodez> basic knowledge in c++, python, linux, windows server 2008
[07:46] <Kilos> ah, to be young again
[07:47] <kodez> diploma in IT
[07:47] <kodez> it's nice to be young but it has challenges of it's own especially if you are not guided
[07:47] <kodez> correctly
[07:48] <Kilos> let the fly guide you
[07:49] <kodez> kilos, i accept that offer with open hands.
[07:49] <superfly> heh
[07:50] <superfly> kodez: getting involved in open source projects is usually a good way to get some experience with real world software
[07:50] <superfly> it helps when looking for jobs
[07:51] <kodez> i know hence i'm here. also to cement understanding of what you know.
[07:54] <superfly> kodez: in the near future it's probably a good idea to get a job like a barman or shop assistant or something like that
[07:56] <kodez> i agree. i will resume looking for employment in next month
[08:15] <Kilos> good luck kodez
[08:18] <kodez> thanks kilos
[08:27] <kodez> thanks for the time we had. i must leave for an internet cafe to submit my assignments
[09:05] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos
[12:06] <magespawn> Afternoon all.
[12:12] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[12:12] <Kilos> hi there magespawn
[12:18] <Kilos> is gc dead?
[12:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:18]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:19] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[12:19] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[12:20] <Kilos> ohi inetpro howzit
[12:20] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[12:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:22] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:27] <Kilos> yo nlsthzn
[12:27] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos
[12:27] <nlsthzn> How are you?
[12:28] <Kilos> well ty laddy and you
[12:28] <Kilos> ?
[12:28] <nlsthzn> all good thanks
[12:37] <magespawn> Kilos no just been too busy to log it back on.
[12:37] <Kilos> busy is good
[12:44] <magespawn> In some ways fish one is a bit sick
[15:18] <nuvolari> o/
[15:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: is trello.com up?
[15:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: No, https://trello.com/ is down (Not Found)
[15:19] <nuvolari> :O
[17:44] <kodez> hello everyone. how do i get to places using unity as the desktop?
[18:04] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:25] <superfly> evening magespawn
[18:46] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[18:57] <Kilos> yo fellas
[18:57] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[18:57] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:57]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:58] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:58] <Kilos> yay that sounds much better without the oom
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <magespawn> Superfly how is the fish?
[18:59] <superfly> magespawn: the fish?
[18:59] <Kilos> yeah magespawn what was that about the fish
 In some ways fish one is a bit sick
[19:00] <magespawn> You said las night you had a green fish that wanted to shower
[19:00] <Kilos> who said that?
[19:00] <magespawn> Assumed you where talking about kids
[19:00] <superfly> oh right. yes, green fish had his shower
[19:00] <magespawn> Superfly
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <superfly> magespawn: more repeating wth kid said
[19:00] <Kilos> oh i musta been off already
[19:01] <superfly> "Daddy, green fish want shower!"
[19:01] <Kilos> i was wondering all avy what you were smoking magespawn
[19:01] <magespawn> Woman I follow on Twitter calls her kids "thing 1" and "thing 2"
[19:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:02] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <magespawn> Thought fish was a cool thing to call your kids, instead of using their names.
[19:02] <Kilos> kids are funny hey , they use only the main words
[19:03] <magespawn> Very funny the things they say some times are so accurate
[19:03] <superfly> magespawn: no, we usually call him maggot :-P
[19:04] <Kilos> yeah. if we asked ian where he wanted to go he said ian go beach
[19:04] <magespawn> Looks like the game reserve is catching some heavy rain
[19:04] <Kilos> and if we asked what you wanna eat he said big meat
[19:04] <magespawn> That suits with the fly
[19:06] <Kilos> kids are priceless
[19:06] <Kilos> then they grow up and the gray hairs start
[19:07] <Kilos> superfly, do you know what the next one is yet?
[19:07] <Kilos> fruit fly
[19:07] <Kilos> miggie
[19:08] <superfly> Kilos: no... we don't even have a pre-birth name yet (last time it was seamonkey)
[19:09] <Kilos> magespawn, when i read where you said fish i thought you were talking about a linux program
[19:09] <magespawn> I thought you were on your way to the second already superfly
[19:09] <Kilos> another linux goodie
[19:09] <superfly> magespawn: we are
[19:09] <magespawn> Is there a program called fish?
[19:09] <Kilos> 5 more months
[19:10] <superfly> magespawn: there's a protocol called fish
[19:10] <magespawn> Hah just round the corner
[19:10] <Kilos> Fish is a shell geared towards interactive use.
[19:10] <magespawn> Okay then.
[19:11] <Kilos> so have you guys filled in that survey yet
[19:11] <Kilos> ?
[19:12] <magespawn> This going to blow your mind I searched just fish in google and this the last of the results on the first page.
[19:13] <magespawn> snyman.info/tags/ fish.html
[19:14] <Kilos> with http:// and www?
[19:14] <magespawn> Hold on.
[19:15] <magespawn> http://snyman.info/tags/fish.html
[19:15] <Kilos> ty
[19:16] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:16] <magespawn> Superfly should not have to go the link to see what it is.
[19:16] <Kilos> the fly loves blogging
[19:17] <Kilos> superfly, wassup 365
[19:17] <Kilos> is it now x2 +1
[19:17] <superfly> magespawn: hehehe
[19:18] <superfly> that is pretty weird
[19:18] <magespawn> Fame internet style 1st page of google
[19:18] <Kilos> lol yeah
[19:19] <superfly> magespawn: I think if you google my real name, I'm even more famous :-P
[19:19] <magespawn> I think I did at one stage.
[19:20] <Kilos> yeah Maaz gets you in first 3
[19:21] <Kilos> lol life and times of a geek and his bride
[19:24] <magespawn> What is the text editor in ubuntu called?
[19:24] <Kilos> gedit
[19:25] <magespawn> Is there a verssion for android with the same or similar capabilities?
[19:27] <Kilos> you on the fone magespawn ?
[19:27] <magespawn> Yup
[19:27] <magespawn> Fl
[19:27] <Kilos> if so word it and i will ask maaz to google it for you
[19:27] <magespawn> Tablet really
[19:28] <Kilos> tablets one takes for headaches
[19:28] <magespawn> Gedit version for android
[19:28] <magespawn> I did google it not much help
[19:30] <Kilos> all i find
[19:30] <Kilos> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Android_How-tos
[19:33] <magespawn> Cool that looks like a useful page either way
[19:34] <magespawn> I am off I have Avery early start tomorrow. 04:00
[19:34] <Kilos> ok magespawn sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:06] <fractaline> valorie,  didn't work,  it said login incorrect...   :/
[00:06] <valorie> remember you have to login as yourself
[00:06] <valorie> but now, it's time for my dinner, sorry
[00:07] <fractaline> no worries,   one must eat
[00:08] <fractaline> i get what i did wrong
[00:21] <jmrbcu> hi every one
[00:29] <Rafael_Neri> hi
[01:12] <Scunizi> hopefully someone will be awake :).. Dolphin has just started freezing on me. If I start it from cli the 1st output line is "dolphin(5478) kxmlgui::actionlist::plug: Index 19 is not within range (0-11"  then "QPixmap::scaled" Pixmap is a null pixmap. This is right after opening it.  How do I fix it?
[02:03] <fractaline> valorie, didn't work from tty,  ( i realized after that it was simply because i didn't do mkdir ~/.kde-old first)  but i did the cheeky thing and just renamed it from dolphin then quickly logged out,  which worked.   the fresh .kde is without the said glitch.
[02:06] <fractaline> but i'm still feeling the need to do a clean install as there are other "artifacts" from ubuntu... e.g. nautilus is seen running in system activity but is not present in app list...
[02:08] <fractaline> and i cant seem to get rid of the cairo(gnome) login option from login screen.   it's all just a bit messy in there.  :/
[02:11] <fractaline> my current question is that if i install clean and use a backup of /home (eg copy it to it's own partition)  will i be importing the issues along with it??
[02:11]  * fractaline has a head that's spinning
[02:12] <ahoneybun> fractaline: there are certain config files that could be in the /home directory
[02:13] <ahoneybun> that could bring a issue over
[02:13] <fractaline> that was mt concern
[02:13] <fractaline> *my
[02:14] <ahoneybun> I usually only copy directories (music, pictures, docs) and so forth
[02:14] <ahoneybun> just don't copy over hidden directory and files
[02:15] <fractaline> and just reinstall all the needed apps and reconfigure?
[02:15] <fractaline> i don't have that many to worry about currently so....  no real stress
[02:17] <fractaline> ahoneybun, did you happen to see the issue i was talking with valorie about?
[02:18] <ahoneybun> no I have not looked at the logs
[02:18] <fractaline> no worries
[02:19] <fractaline> i'm being haunted by the ghost of ubuntu's past
[02:19] <ahoneybun> cairo issues?
[02:19] <fractaline> i think so
[02:19] <fractaline> have you used cairo?
[02:20] <ahoneybun> nope
[02:21] <fractaline> i have a feeling my intel integrated graphics card is not liking it...  and compiz
[02:22] <fractaline> i do like eye candy but kwin/plasma has plenty
[02:24] <ahoneybun> yes it has a lot of what compiz can have
[02:24] <ahoneybun> or has I mean
[02:24] <fractaline> seems to use a lot les ram as well
[02:26] <fractaline> i've been impressed with how light kde is for how feature rich it is
[02:28] <ahoneybun> fractaline: kwin seems to have a lot more work being put into it then compiz
[02:28] <ahoneybun> IMO Ubuntu is silly for using compiz at all, but they have to as Unity is a plugin to compiz
[02:29] <fractaline> i see,  that makes sense.    i'll be glad to be rid of it
[02:33] <ahoneybun> I don't see it having very good performance, but I have not officially tested it
[02:35] <fractaline> i used it on mint and ubuntu, both of which i find rather boring without but the systems of both became very buggy  hence my joy in finding kde,  stability and customization
[02:36] <ahoneybun> yea KDE has customization for sure, Mint's work is top notch, kinda wish they we leading Ubuntu
[02:37] <ahoneybun> not sticking to the old desktop method though
[02:37] <fractaline> was it you that said mint kde was choppy?
[02:40] <ahoneybun> no I have not used Mint KDE to say anything good or bad
[02:40] <ahoneybun> I just perfer Kubuntu's pure KDE design
[02:41] <fractaline> it was Aethysius ....
[02:42] <Aethysius> I didn't care for Mint's play with KDE.
[02:42] <Aethysius> Kubuntu just integrates KDE and Ubuntu so well.
[02:43] <Aethysius> Oh, I feel kind of stupid for asking this, but how do you get to change the wallpaper in Kubuntu?
[02:43] <fractaline> default desktop settings
[02:44] <Aethysius> I thought that meant that it would set everything back to default, my mistake.
[02:45] <fractaline> so, i have an extended partion in which there is a 62gig, a 95gig, both ext4 and 4gig swap.  does it seem reasonable to use the 60gig for /home and 95gog for /   ??
[02:47] <fractaline> i should probably shrink my windows partition as it does not really deserve 290 gig....
[02:48] <ahoneybun> 60GB for / and 95Gb for /home is what I would do, you really only need 25 for the / for the bare minimal
[02:48] <fractaline> i was just being cautious in the beginning,  but now i'd certainly rather not boot it at all
[02:48] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: I don't like to have GTK apps on a Qt system unless they are the best for the job
[02:48] <ahoneybun> GIMP, Inkscape
[02:48] <fractaline> boot windows that is
[02:49] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:49] <ahoneybun> fractaline: you want to remove windows? or just make it smaller?
[02:49] <fractaline> just smaller for now
[02:50] <ahoneybun> oh not sure how that will work
[02:50] <ahoneybun> I know you can do it
[02:50] <fractaline> +1 about the gtk apps
[02:51] <fractaline> it's how i did it originally,  just shrunk it
[02:53] <fractaline> what would be the risk?
[02:59] <ahoneybun> fractaline: I'm not sure, I just deleted windows by reformating my HDD with just Kubuntu
[03:04] <fractaline> good man   ;)
[03:05] <ahoneybun> lol yep
[03:15] <Aethysius> I kinda want to do a fresh install of Kubuntu, but I don't want all my settings to die.
[03:16] <Aethysius> Also, I'm too lazy.
[03:16] <tsimpson> Aethysius: that's why it's recommended to have a separate /home
[03:17] <Aethysius> I do.
[03:17] <tsimpson> then your personal settings are safe, stored under /home/<you>
[03:18] <Aethysius> Oh, I see.
[03:18] <Aethysius> Thanks for that info.
[03:18] <Aethysius> I feel rather foolish.
[05:53] <Aethysius> There we go.
[06:19] <fractaline> Aethysius,  where?
[06:19] <Aethysius> Pardon?
 There we go.
[06:21] <Aethysius> Freshly installed Kubuntu.
[06:21] <fractaline> sweet
[06:21] <Aethysius> Yeah, except Muon's being a bitch.
[06:21] <fractaline> feel better?
[06:22]  * Aethysius shrugs
[06:22] <fractaline> hmm,  how so?
[06:22] <Aethysius> It's more streamlined now.
[06:22] <Aethysius> It's hanging, Muon that is.
[06:22] <Aethysius> Just not DLing.
[06:23] <fractaline> software center?
[06:23] <fractaline> or package manager?
[06:24] <fractaline> or update manager?   lol
[06:25] <Aethysius> Software Center.
[06:26] <Aethysius> I'm trying the package manager now.
[06:26] <valorie> I prefer that one
[06:26] <valorie> I don't like "app stores"
[06:26] <Aethysius> Yeah.
[06:26] <valorie> most people seem to prefer that way though
[06:27] <Aethysius> I like Synaptic better, actually.
[06:27] <valorie> I used to
[06:27] <valorie> but I use cli/Muon package mgr now
[06:27] <valorie> synaptic is ugly
[06:27] <fractaline> it is
[06:27] <fractaline> hi valorie
[06:28] <fractaline> software center is ok for browsing...
[06:29] <Aethysius> It says Waiting for transactions to finish, but I don't see any conflicts....to the monitor I go!
[06:30] <Aethysius> Ah, there we go.
[06:41] <marszhao_> ?
[07:09] <algrio> hello
[07:10] <n8w> hey
[07:11] <n8w> is there any way how to automatically remove old notifications from the notification widget?
[07:11] <n8w> kde 4.10.2
[08:00] <zoie> hi, what happens when i start a program from krunner? i have a program which doesn't work when i start it from a konsole, but which works when i start it from krunner :( i don't understand why
[09:17] <alvin> I guess the relevant .desktop file contains some options that you're not giving on the command line
[09:21] <spotz> hi, why aren't radio available on spotify <IP_ADDRESS> on kubuntu 13.04?
[09:32] <hateball> spotz: nothing to do with kubuntu. but it's a bug in spotify
[09:33] <hateball> spotz: this thread suggests a workaround, hadnt seen that before http://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Linux-0-9-0-133-Artist-Radio-broken/td-p/397726
[09:35] <hateball> spotz: And I just verified the workaround works for me at least, being on swedish locale originally
[09:36] <spotz> hateball: thanks a lot, works for me as well
[09:37] <spotz> the wine version was annoying because didn't know how to block ads
[09:39] <hateball> heh, I pay to block ads. seems to work ;p
[09:51] <dmitry> привееет)
[09:51] <spotz> hateball: i use spotify-admute.sh, it doesn't block them but just mute, good enough for now :)
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:01] <Guest23910> Am I right that this isn't normal (Missing KDE button) ? http://imgur.com/xwjx7DA
[12:03] <Dudalus> Well....Kubuntu installation with dualscreen is a bit weird
[12:52] <eleve> .
[12:52] <Aethysius> !
[13:29] <bandibp> Hello, I am unable to get to the login screen on kubuntu 13.04 after an update today. Kernel was also updated, but after the kubuntu splash i get a blank screen. I got to CLI where i tried fixing packages, dependencies etc. with no success. apt-get install -f runs depmod but is unable to set up 4 packages (all of them linux-image-3.8.0-22-generic etc) What can I do? All help appreciated. Sry if I am doing this help request wrong.
[14:15] <Aethysius> I have an issue with getting a printer to work.
[14:15] <Aethysius> Could anyone help me?
[14:17] <fractaline> hey man what's up?
[14:18] <fractaline> are you on 64bit?
[14:18] <fractaline> Aethysius, ?
[14:18] <Aethysius> I have a brother DCP-7030, which doesn't have automatically installed drivers, and I've installed the drivers for it, but it doesn't print; the print queue automatically clears.
[14:18] <Aethysius> Without printing.
[14:19] <fractaline> sorry not my area...
[14:20] <Aethysius> Dammit.
[14:20]  * fractaline wonders what his area is.
[14:20] <Aethysius> I am on 64 bit.
[14:20] <fractaline> ;)
[14:20] <fractaline> i've heard that is one of the drawbacks
[14:20] <fractaline> of 64 bti that is
[14:21] <Aethysius> Have a quadcore 3.2 GHz AMD Phenom, with 16 GB of RAM.
[14:21] <Aethysius> Oh, yeah.
[14:21] <fractaline> printer drivers...
[14:32] <Aethysius> Had to do it in Konsole.
[15:35] <Alex_Zion> I guys , since few weeks , I have a strange behavior in Kubuntu. Any time I open a link from some KDE apps, it downloads the page and show me the Temp file on my browser
[15:36] <Alex_Zion> How can I fix it , is really an horrible things , and I didn't find any reasons or settings to it ..., someone can help me please ...
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Alex_Zion, a link from some KDE apps ?
[15:43] <ed9876434567654> somebody help me, music playback on my kubuntu install is not so great compared same machine running win7, tried several flac files and they sound really poor on linux, they even sound better on my android tablet? any ideas why and how to fix this?
[15:43] <Alex_Zion> yeah , if I open a link from here (quassel) for example , or even from akregator ......
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ed9876434567654, bad audio qulity , please describe
[15:45] <Alex_Zion> BluesKaj:  I'm using chromium as a default browser , can be thisone the problem ?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Alex_Zion, never heard of that , try firefox as default and see what happens with it
[15:47] <ed9876434567654> not sure how, its like depth maybe, basicly everythin on linux sound like 128kbps mp3, really low quality, low bass
[15:47] <ed9876434567654> BluesKaj, not sure how, its like depth maybe, basicly everythin on linux sound like 128kbps mp3, really low quality, low bass
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ed9876434567654, what about the volume ctrls in alsamixer , are they turned up to at least 85%
[15:48] <Alex_Zion> yeah BluesKaj I will , but anyway it always open files from file:///var/tmp/kdecache-*****/krun/.........................
[15:50] <ed9876434567654> BluesKaj yes, they are
[15:50] <BluesKaj> and kmix?
[15:51] <Alex_Zion> BluesKaj:  the krun on my path is not a Krunner foder ? , or it is ?
[15:51] <ed9876434567654> yes
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Alex_Zion, for some reason the link is calling a tmp file , temporary ...why?  I have no idea
[15:54] <Alex_Zion> BluesKaj: it seems to work with Firefox as a default browser ..., so the problem is once again chromium ....., and I really hate firefox in kde , is horrible and doesn't work really well ....
[15:55] <Alex_Zion> and rekonq is not ready yet ....
[15:55] <Alex_Zion> so I have no choise at moment ..... :(
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Alex_Zion, I find the opposite FF works well in KDE as long as your gtk settings are setup in system settings > application appearance
[15:56] <Alex_Zion> well , I cannot use Firefox in this way , so probably is much better copy and paste the link I need to open......
[15:57] <Alex_Zion> BluesKaj: in Firefox very often I cannot open menus and the only chance to keep using it is to restart it ...., so you can just Image how unconfortable it is .....
[15:57] <BluesKaj> chromium doesn't integrate as well , IME ...unreadable tab fonts on large monitors
[15:58] <Alex_Zion> In my case Chromium has ..., well had ..., the best integration , much bettere than firefox that for me is really unusable .. BluesKaj
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Alex_Zion, then FF must be corrupted
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ed9876434567654, do you have a pci soundcard , separate from the onboard chip ?
[16:00] <Alex_Zion> I don't know , but I leave Firefox since a lot , because in my opinion is getting worst any release..., saying worst I mean that is going to be something different than a browser ....., and I want just a browser ...
[16:01] <Alex_Zion> I was hoping on Chromium , but since months it seems is getting worst .....
[16:02] <Alex_Zion> are months there is a problem with flash still there , and now this problem .....
[16:03] <ed9876434567654> BluesKaj I have an integrated intel card  HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[16:04] <Alex_Zion> anyway , maybe one they even KDE will have a real and complete browser to use .....; I really hope so becauso is something really missing on KDE, and please don't say nothing about rekonq ..., is not ready yet ....
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ed9876434567654, which player are you using to play flac files on linux , amarok ?
[16:06] <ed9876434567654> BluesKaj I have tried amarok, also audacious, even vlc, it all sound the same
[16:11] <BluesKaj> sounds like pulseaudio might be to blame , try removing pulseaudio and playing with just pure alsa , you'll probly lose your webaudio playback , but it's worth the test to track this problem down
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ed9876434567654,^
[16:18] <BluesKaj> BBL...
[16:20] <ed9876434567654> BluesKaj I have done that and not sure it sound somewhat louder and better though still not as good as the tablet playback, maybe I try playing with the equaliser or smth
[16:37] <rance> I'm having issues using the "host" command from a bash script in kubuntu.  It appears that the outout of host is different depending on if its running in an interactive shell or a script.
[16:48] <bbeck> rance: What do you mean exactly.  If I run "host www.google.com" from command line or put it into a bash script I get the same output.
[16:51] <rance> bbeck:  I am working on an rbl monitoring script and it is using 'host' to query the rbls for a specfic ip.  Run from the interactive shell I get one response, and from the script I get a different one.  EX from the command line host returns "Host X not found..." or reports a local ip like <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:52] <rance> the shell script reports all hosts found and returns the ip being checked, not the 127.0.0.x which is correct
[17:51] <skreech__> rance: What level of the shell script is it running from?
[17:52] <rance> its called from the main part of the script with a syntax like RESULT=$(syscall)
[17:57] <skreech__> rance: the $() is what is making it fail
[17:57] <skreech__> it's going into a subshell with limited access to the resources
[18:00] <rance> ok, I thought that was the standard way to capture the output of the command
[18:18] <skreech__> rance: yes but it does have some subtle changes. it's the same as logging in as daemon it has no environment around it. and your HOST is part of the environment
[18:18] <skreech__> rance: You can jump into #bash and ask them they are very harsh in there but very helpful
[18:19] <rance> cool
[18:19] <rance> thanks for the warning
[18:21] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:46] <cpxrc> join #xkcd-signal
[21:12] <MySystem> hello i have a problem with my kubuntu 13.04 and vlc after 20min or so i get screen locked by multimediapc and if i move the cursor the password&lock dialog dissappiers and video is on top
[21:19] <ahoneybun> MySystem: so your computer locks up after 20 mins using vlc
[21:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:20] <MySystem> while vlc is playing
[21:20] <MySystem> or if nothing is runnning (then i could understand it)
[21:25] <MySystem> i searched all the options from kde but havent found it switched off all energie options
[21:26] <fractaline>  MySystem  did you look in vlc?
[21:29] <MySystem> a short look yes but cant imagine where
[21:38] <MySystem> thought this problem is well known
[21:42] <BluesKaj> MySystem, check the screensaver timing in screen locker setings in system settings >display and monitor
[21:43] <MySystem>  ahhhh blueskaj my hero
[21:44] <MySystem> 15min
[21:44] <fractaline> :)
[21:45] <fractaline> i can't seem to get login screen theme settings to stick
[21:45] <MySystem> its a bit hidden there under monitor only tooltip from monitor shows screen lock
[21:47] <fractaline> also, where are default/installed wallpapaers?    as in path
[21:55] <BluesKaj> MySystem, let's hope it works :)
[21:55] <BluesKaj> anyway ...dinner ...later folks
[21:56] <MySystem> think so in a few minutes the feeled time is reached
[21:56] <MySystem> but option looks right
[22:10] <ahoneybun> nice
[22:31] <rosco_y> I'd like to install a Wiki Server, can anyone recommend one for me?
[22:34] <ahoneybun> rosco_y: I hear mediawiki is execellent
[22:36] <rosco_y> ahoneybun: ty, I'm playing with mediawiki right now:  I like it quite a bit, but I'm checking to see if there are other, (possibly even better) alternatives, since I simply just installed the first thing I found.....
[22:36] <rosco_y> I suppose the fact that mediawiki was the first thing I found say something as well.....
[22:36] <ahoneybun> rosco_y: just saying I hear a lot of good stuff and I see it has a lot of good tools
[22:38] <rosco_y> ahoneybun: yes.  I'm finding a couple of things about it to be not very intuitivei--which I suppose shouldn't really be a problem since this is a single-user environment....I just want to use a wiki as a mind-mapping tool
[22:38] <rosco_y> for project and time management, and the like
[22:39] <ahoneybun> rosco_y: I don't know to much other then that
[22:40] <rosco_y> ahoneybun: ty--I probably will stick with mediawiki--nothing else is really popping up as "obviously better".....
[22:51] <kids> hello?
[22:52] <kStar_> hello
[22:55] <ahoneybun> kStar_: hello
[22:56] <kStar_> is there a way to list groups i can joined?
[22:58] <DarthFrog> kStar_:  You could use the /list command.   But you'll be inundated!
[22:59] <DarthFrog> kStar_:  If you're using Konversation, press F5.
[22:59] <kStar_> thanks
[23:03] <nborgror> hello
[23:04] <nborgror> someone here know how change bootscreen of kubuntu 13 ?
[23:07] <fractaline> nborgror, which one?   i have changed the grub background and the splashscreen but i can't seem to get the login screen to change
[23:07] <genii-around> I believe currently there are issues also with Kubuntu and plymouth
[23:08] <genii-around> eg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1172534
[23:10] <nborgror> fractaline: the grub background and bootsplash
[23:11] <nborgror> how change the grub background ?
[23:12] <nborgror> and also the bootsplash ?
[23:14] <fractaline> the easy way for grub is to put a suitable image in  /boot/grub   then in terminal    update grub
[23:15] <fractaline> system settings - workspace appearance for splashscreen
[23:16] <fractaline> but yeah... i've yet to find a way to get lightdm settings to stick
[23:17] <genii-around> And for changing the plymouth splash screen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#Splash_Theme
[23:17] <nborgror> ok, I try
[23:18] <nborgror> fractaline: I must create directory /boot/grub ?
[23:19] <fractaline> no, it's there
[23:21] <nborgror> I put a image in what folder in /boot/grub/ ?
[23:21] <genii-around> It sort of sucks there are so many splash screens before the desktop comes up... grub->plymouth->lightdm->kubuntu-splash
[23:23] <genii-around> nborgror: To do that, you should either run dolphin with kdesudo dolphin, or else if in Konsole to do: sudo cp filename /boot/grub      (if you are in the same directory the file is in while in Konsole)
[23:23] <nborgror> ok
[23:23] <genii-around> Then you need to run: sudo update-grub
[23:26] <fractaline> genii-around, what is the difference between plymouth and lightdm?     oh,  plymouth is the kubuntu logo durring boot?
[23:27] <genii-around> fractaline: Yes, with those dots going by
[23:28] <fractaline> so any advice on getting lightdm settings to work?
[23:29] <fractaline> genii-around,
[23:30] <fractaline> it's currently the ugliest part of bootup for me.   won't use my custom images just reverts to a white background
[23:31] <nborgror> genii-around: there is a simple way to change plymouth ?
[23:33] <genii-around> nborgror: I gave you the official link just a little while ago :)
[23:35] <genii-around> So the short answer is, I guess: No, there is not a simple way
[23:38] <nborgror> ok thanks anyway
[23:44] <nborgror> fractaline: update grub don't work : no command 'update'
[23:45] <genii-around> nborgror: There's a hyphen. eg, EXACTLY:  sudo update-grub
[23:46] <nborgror> ok


[05:06] <lotusleaf> *tumbleweed*
[05:07] <tuppa> lotusleaf: shhhh, you'll alert the snipers
[08:27] <tsmithe> elkbuntu, nice article :)
[08:27] <elkbuntu> tsmithe, gracias
[08:35] <rjian> elkbuntu: wats ur location?
[08:35] <elkbuntu> rjian, australia
[08:35] <rjian> hehe
[08:35] <rjian> gracias
[08:35] <elkbuntu> rjian, blame the venezuelans
[08:36] <elkbuntu> awww.. bueno isnt here to see the blame
[08:36] <tsmithe> jeje
[08:36] <rjian> hehe
[08:36] <tsmithe> ^^ (see what i did there)
[08:36] <elkbuntu> tsmithe, jajaja
[08:36] <tsmithe> :P
[09:09] <rjian> hows the UWN?
[11:02] <jayteeuk> Evening all.
[11:06] <jayteeuk> Anyone around to comment on/discuss an idea?
[11:07] <jayteeuk> Or tell me where I need to post it to get it discussed?
[11:28] <jayteeuk> Night all.


  I want it to go from first draft to final draft magically.  :)
[08:59] <svij> nhaines: I want a review unit!
[09:09] <nhaines> svij: that can quite possibly be arranged!  :)
[09:15] <svij> nhaines: that would be nice :)
[09:15] <svij> when will it be available?
[09:17] <Kilos> lol
[09:18] <nhaines> Well, I'm writing right now, lol.  It looks like we'll be able to beat the Amazon listed publish date of October 7th.
[09:23] <svij> hurry up!
[09:23] <svij> :P
[09:23] <nhaines> lol
[09:23] <nhaines> That's what my editors are saying!
[09:53] <nhaines> dholbach, svij: you can maybe review my current provisional dedication to my little 8yo friend, who'll be 9 by the time the book is published.  :)
[09:53] <nhaines> "Für Alexanderchen, der alles isst, alles versucht, und immer lernt."
[09:53] <dholbach> :-)
[09:54] <svij> he eats everything?
[09:54] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[09:54] <svij> than it's correct :)
[09:54] <nhaines> He's not afraid to try strange foods even if he didn't like them before, and usually he's in the habit of eating all his food, then eating half of mine.
[09:54] <nhaines> If I'm quick enough to finish half before he does, anyway.  :)
[09:55] <svij> hehe
[10:03] <nhaines> Alexander doesn't like his name shorted to Alex, so for short I have to call him Alexanderchen.
[10:06] <svij> so we can call you nathanchen?
[10:07] <nhaines> I like to stick with Nathan.  Why mess with a good thing?
[10:07] <nhaines> Actually, I like to call him "Knabe" because: 1) it's true, and 2) it slightly annoys him.  Or used to.  He seems to have accepted it as an actual word I didn't make up now.  :)
[10:07] <svij> :D
[10:08] <nhaines> Although that led to "kiddo" in English, so last time I was saying "Kleiner" more often.  Or Kumpel, since I sometimes use "buddy" in English.  Well, the important thing is he knows who I mean.  :)
[10:09] <svij> heh
[10:09] <svij> where does he live?
[10:10] <nhaines> San Diego.
[10:10] <svij> oh, I thought he's german :D
[10:10] <svij> *living in germany
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe i call my daughter kiddo
[10:11] <nhaines> He's German at least.  :D
[10:11] <svij> :D


[11:14] <alourie> takin: hey murray
[11:14] <Zachk18> whow.....there is like, nobody on at this time of morning usually
[11:15] <takin> Hi Alex
[11:15] <takin> I don't see you in the list
[11:15] <alourie> takin: let's take it private?
[11:16] <alourie> takin: just refresh the list, I shouldv'e appeared as soon as I joined the channel
[20:50]  * Zachk18 is back (gone 00:00:31)
[23:21] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: hi what's up