[07:42] <Whiz2> I'm having issues... I've got my printer setup in Linux, and linux has been told to share it, however, I can't export the drivers for it, nor can I get windows to install the drivers, or use the printer.. what am I doing wrong?
[07:42] <intelikey> caseyomah ty
[07:42] <Jucato> hi intelikey likely :)
[07:42] <intelikey> Jucato
[07:42] <arunkale> thanks guys
[07:42] <Whiz2> oh yeah... I'm back btw lol
[07:42] <caseyomah> Whiz2, You need to replace the user with a newer model.
[07:43] <Blacken> Can superkaramba applets be bound to kicker panels?
[07:43] <Whiz2> caseyomah: You trying to say I'm old? :-p
[07:43] <Jucato> Blacken: nope
[07:43] <caseyomah> Whiz2, No, just worn out.
[07:43] <Blacken> Ew. No use for me, then. :/
[07:43] <Whiz2> lol
[07:43] <intelikey> just like walking in to the set for the sit-com 'cheers'
[07:43] <Whiz2> kinda like my shoes... I need a new pair of them
[07:44] <Jucato> what are new shoes? :)
[07:44] <Whiz2> what I really need to do is figure out just what I'm doing wrong
[07:45] <caseyomah> Jucato, sneakernet interface adapters.
[07:45] <Jucato> :P
[07:45] <Whiz2> I've followed all the given instructions, and documentation that I've come across for this printer issue.. I'm trying to share with Samba, but it hates me
[07:45] <intelikey> Whiz2 ahhh spending way too much time looking at a computer maybe   :)
[07:45] <Whiz2> funny caseyomah
[07:46] <Whiz2> intelikey: For me there is no such thing lol
[07:46] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Computer time is 24/7/365.25.
[07:46] <intelikey> just trying to help you figure out what you were doing wrong
[07:46] <Blacken> Are there any (decent to good) kicker applets out there? I don't see any on kde-*.org.
[07:47] <Whiz2> well... not quite that much, but I wouldn't complain if it was lol
[07:47] <Blacken> I'm looking for a system information one and maybe others if they exist (I'd like to know what's out there).
[07:47] <Jucato> Blacken: I think you can find some in the repositories. use Adept or apt-cache to search for applets or panel or kicker applets
[07:47] <Blacken> Panel applets? Widgets that go on the panels?
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: I've searched the repos, didn't find (or didn't correctly name) what I'm looking for. :/
[07:48] <Jucato> Blacken: which is what you're looking for, right?
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: Correct.
[07:48] <Blacken> I've seen it before, I used to HAVE it, but I can't find it.
[07:48] <caseyomah> Don't mind Whiz2, I introduced him to linux and I still haven't taught him everything.
[07:48] <caseyomah> !kicker
[07:48] <Whiz2> Widgets for Linux? That's a new one on me
[07:48] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1855 kB, installed size 5576 kB
[07:48] <Jucato> Blacken: sorry I can't exactly help you right now. I don't even have X running :P
[07:49] <Blacken> Jucato: NP.
[07:49] <caseyomah> Whiz2, My main box is running in anchor mode.
[07:49] <intelikey> Whiz2 you mean there are other kinds ?
[07:49] <Whiz2> basically it's the "Show Desktop" icon for Linux
[07:49] <Jucato> Whiz2: Desktop widgets? well there's Superkaramba for KDE, gDesklets for GNOME, and aDesklets for ... anybody (I think)
[07:49] <Whiz2> Yeah there are Widgets for Widows
[07:50] <intelikey> windows pfft
[07:50] <caseyomah> Whiz2, is a M$ user, he still duel (sic) boots.
[07:50] <Jucato> there are desktop widgets for Windows, Linux, and Mac
[07:50] <Jucato> er *nix too (BSD included I guess)
[07:50] <Whiz2> and now I'm installing superkaramba lol
[07:51] <caseyomah> ...oh, yeah, and he's a widget freak.
[07:51] <intelikey> yeah i'm just stiring the pot to see who boils first
[07:51] <Blacken> Can superkaramba applets be locked to be always-on-top?
[07:51] <Whiz2> I have a network PC that is Linux only, then this PC which dual boots Linux, and XP
[07:51] <Jucato> Blacken: yes, but you'd have to edit the .theme for it
[07:51] <caseyomah> Blacken, I think you can do it through KDE Window settings.
[07:51] <draik> AFAIK widgets go on the panel in GNOME, not KDE
[07:52] <Whiz2> then one other computer in the house which is windows 98
[07:52] <draik> I have tried to search for something similar before too, but no luck
[07:52] <Jucato> draik: huh?
[07:52] <draik> Jucato, desktop widgets
[07:52] <Blacken> draik: I have a bunch of widgets on my kicker that say otherwise...like the clock. And the K menu. And the virtual desktop switcher.
[07:52] <Jucato> Blacken: those aren't "widgets". they're called "applets" :)
[07:52] <Jucato> might lessen the confusion if you get the terms right :P
[07:52] <draik> right, applets
[07:53] <Whiz2> Yes they are applets
[07:53] <Blacken> There's a difference?
[07:53] <Jucato> Blacken: widgets can mean lots of things. desktop widgets, control widgets, etc
[07:53] <Whiz2> those are not widgets lol
[07:53] <Blacken> Installed it a month ago, still fiddling with it.
[07:53] <draik> well, I have a mini dictionary/thesaurus that isn't docked to my kicker as I wished it were
[07:53] <Jucato> the ones on the panel are called Applet (panel or kicker applets)
[07:53] <Blacken> How baroque.
[07:53] <caseyomah> Widgets are a special sub-type of applet, technically everything that runs in a GUI is an applet...
[07:53] <Jucato> draik: then it isn't a panel/kicker applet
[07:54] <draik> nope, can't find any that are for KDE
[07:54] <Jucato> caseyomah: I'm just concerned with the KDE terminology here :)
[07:54] <draik> I find some, but they're GNOME
[07:54] <Whiz2> You and your technicallities, Casey
[07:54] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Sure, why not?
[07:54] <Jucato> draik: 43%...
[07:54] <Whiz2> can't you run GNOME applets/widgets in KDE?
[07:54] <intelikey> i thought there was a diff in applets and aplications
[07:54] <Jucato> Whiz2: no.
[07:55] <Jucato> Whiz2: GNOME panel applets/widgets need gnome-panel to run.
[07:55] <caseyomah> Jucato, Slow moving, what's your CPU/RAM?
[07:55] <draik> slowly but surely
[07:55] <Jucato> caseyomah: er downloading... nothing to do with CPU/RAM
[07:55] <Whiz2> does that include non-panel applications as well, Jucato?
[07:55] <Jucato> Whiz2: non-panel apps? like?
[07:56] <Whiz2> GFTP
[07:56] <caseyomah> intelikey, Applets require an application to open them (Application=X Applet=Konqueror)
[07:56] <Whiz2> I think thatr's what it's called
[07:56] <Whiz2> that's*
[07:56] <Jucato> Whiz2: yes.. GNOME apps would generally run on KDE and vice-versa
[07:57] <Whiz2> caseyomah: How is your X running now? working correctly yet?
[07:57] <intelikey> dependancies dependancies dependancies
[07:58] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Main box is running in "anchor mode"
[07:58] <Whiz2> caseyomah: I dunno what "anchor mode" is
[07:58] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:59] <Jucato> copy-paste, copy-paste, copy-paste
[07:59] <propagandhi> caseyomah: is it just holding the door open
[07:59] <intelikey> lol
[07:59] <Whiz2> !anchor
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anchor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <propagandhi> ubotu: that makes two of us
[07:59] <propagandhi> lol
[08:00] <Jucato> Whiz2: he means that you could tie the PC to a boat and use it as an anchor
[08:00] <Whiz2> caseyomah: You're gonna have to give me a better explaination than that.
[08:00] <intelikey> !bot
[08:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:00] <caseyomah> Whiz2, "anchor mode" = "paper weight mode"...
[08:00] <Whiz2> lol @ Jucato
[08:00] <Jucato> = useless mode
[08:00] <Whiz2> then are you going to try a fresh install?
[08:00] <Blacken> Which is the better thing to have installed on a machine -- powersaved or powernowd?
[08:00] <Whiz2> or try to revert back to KDE?
[08:01] <intelikey> i have a few anchors lying around here....
[08:01] <caseyomah> Once I can burn an ISO.
[08:01] <Whiz2> Blacken: I would assume powersave
[08:01] <intelikey> Blacken depends on what you want it to do.
[08:02] <Blacken> intelikey: That's kind of what I'm looking to find out. :p
[08:02] <Whiz2> brb... gonna switch out to KDE... I feel like playing with Linux on a faster machine. (aka this one lol)
[08:03] <intelikey> powernowd - control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface
[08:03] <intelikey> powersaved - power management daemon
[08:04] <intelikey> apt-cache show "blah"
[08:04] <draik> Jucato, ETA is under 30 minutes for my ninja videos
[08:04] <Blacken> intelikey: Yeah...I can poke ubotu/read synaptic myself. I'm asking what the difference is, why they're mutually exclusive, and if one has better/more features than the other.
[08:04] <Jucato> heheh nice draik
[08:04] <draik> it's kinda weird for a torrent with such this many peers being so slow
[08:04] <Jucato> draik: mine is 5 hours, according to apt :P
[08:04] <draik> it's been about 2 weeks now...
[08:04] <intelikey> so read up
[08:04] <intelikey> don't ask us to do it for you
[08:05] <Blacken> intelikey: How very un-Ubuntu of you. I'm surprised you aren't being chided for that attitude.
[08:05] <intelikey> Blacken i guess good help is hard to get these days
[08:06] <Blacken> I'm serious. Any suggestion from me to anyone along the lines of ST*W/RT*M (insert favorite letter there) has always gotten me snapped at.
[08:06] <Blacken> Interesting.
[08:07] <Jucato> draik: dropped to 1hour now...
[08:07] <intelikey> Jucato what are you timming ?
[08:08] <Jucato> intelikey: dist-upgrading to edgy from a very fresh Dapper install
[08:08] <Carbon_Monoxide> good day, Jucato!
[08:08] <intelikey> oh kay.    no edgy iso ?
[08:09] <intelikey> or you prefer upgrading?   i'm at a loss...
[08:09] <Jucato> intelikey: the only edgy CD I had (knot 3) decided to fsck up on me today
[08:10] <intelikey> oh ok. but i still don't see how dl'ing the updates is any better than dl'ing the iso    are you out of disk media?
[08:11] <Jucato> intelikey: er.. yeah that too :P
[08:11] <intelikey> alright now you make sense again... :)
[08:12] <Jucato> intelikey: hehe. sorry my brain was on hibernate it seems :)
[08:13] <intelikey> oh if i had been paying attention i might have been able to deduce all that but the lazy way of just asking was plan A.
[08:13] <Jucato> yeah... feeling pretty lazy here too... just rained. so the atmosphere is quite.. um... *yawn*
[08:14] <intelikey> did the guy i was helping with a dpkg error get all streightened out.    i didn't mean to blast off like that but work seems to trump helping in here..
[08:15] <intelikey> Jucato i'm with ya on the 'just rained'  :)
[08:15] <Jucato> heheh
[08:16] <draik> LOL
[08:16] <draik> <-- Carbon_Monoxide has left this server
[08:16] <draik> Well that's good to know
[08:16] <intelikey> there's an invisable ? after part one of that ^^
[08:16] <|Skull|> hey guys, a little annoyance I've found and was wondering if I could fix, is when using tab completion on a symlink folder, it does not automatically put the trailing slash after the folder name... is there anyway to make it do this?
[08:18] <flaccid_> don't think so
[08:18] <|Skull|> for example, I have a symlink /etc/httpd that points to /usr/local/apache... (just because this is how it's setup on 90% of the servers I work on, so It's habbit to look in /etc/httpd) but when I type /etc/htt<tab> it puts just /etc/httpd wihtout the trailing slash
[08:18] <flaccid_> |Skull|: ask in #bash
[08:18] <|Skull|> ok will do.. thx
[08:18] <intelikey> |Skull| it's not supposed to.   i'm not sure about an easy way to over ride that but symlinks are files, it's supposed to treat them as such.
[08:18] <whiz2> caseyomah left... and I missed it
[08:19] <intelikey> |Skull| probably editing /etc/bash_completion and enabling it...
[08:20] <Blacken> Ah, much better. SMP and direct rendering.
[08:20] <|Skull|> I'll check in there and see what I can find...
[08:21] <whiz2> I can't login to hotmail... grrrr
[08:21] <Jucato> whiz2: using Konqueror?
[08:21] <whiz2> Yes
[08:21] <Jucato> whiz2: double check if cookies are enabled for the microsoft sites
[08:21] <kraut> moin
[08:21] <intelikey> kraut
[08:22] <kraut> intelikey
[08:26] <whiz2> I think it was rejecting some of them, but I deleted the entire list of accepted/rejected cookies, and that seems to have fixed it
[08:26] <Jucato> :)
[08:26] <|Skull|> oh man.. what a stupidily easy fix.....
[08:27] <|Skull|> add set mark-symlinked-directories on to .inputrc in your home dir
[08:27] <intelikey> whiz2 yeah snotmail requires accepting cookies from at least two servers and probably three
[08:27] <whiz2> 3
[08:28] <intelikey> |Skull| then /etc/inputrc for system wide
[08:29] <|Skull|> heh yep, just thought of that after I wrote that... it's now in the global cfg
[08:29] <whiz2> I wonder if the shared printer on my other linux computer would work if I tried to install it to this one... I know it doesn't work when I ry to install it into windows over the network...
[08:29] <whiz2> but this is different... they are both running kubuntu
[08:31] <chupa> hi 2 all
[08:32] <intelikey> wow, way cool.   check this error tty2 [greg@~]  su - greg -- bash
[08:32] <intelikey> Password:
[08:32] <intelikey> su: Authentication failure
[08:32] <intelikey> Sorry.
[08:33] <intelikey> password is null     i can login with no password  but can't su without one.
[08:33] <intelikey> even to self.
[08:34] <intelikey> i'm constantly learning new things that won't work with no suid on the system.... :)
[08:35] <whiz2> interesting... Kubuntu is loading the printer drivers... I wonder if it will work correctly...
[08:36] <whiz2> If this works, I'm gonna be kinda upset...
[08:36] <intelikey> why ?
[08:36] <Ash-Fox> !edgy
[08:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:36] <Ash-Fox> !upgrade
[08:36] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:38] <whiz2> intelikey: the only reason I will be upset if this works is because that would mean it's working from linux to linux, but not windows to linux...
[08:38] <intelikey> again i ask "why would that upset you?"
[08:39] <intelikey> maybe i should let that rest.
[08:41] <whiz2> because I need it to be accessed by Windows
[08:42] <intelikey> well did it work ?
[08:42] <whiz2> funny how it's showing up in the job qeue for the printer, but the printer is not printing anything
[08:42] <intelikey> printer paused ?
[08:42] <whiz2> status is "Processing..."
[08:42] <whiz2> lemme check...
[08:43] <whiz2> nope... lemme try again, cuz the job vanished
[08:43] <Ash-Fox> Edgy should be out tomorow right? -- and if I upgrade now -- would that mean I have to redownload things tomorow?
[08:44] <intelikey> Ash-Fox there may be updates yes.  but not the whole system
[08:44] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, I'll just update today so I won't saturate the mirrors tomorow :P
[08:45] <intelikey> ash-fox ok and a simple  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        tomarrow will bring you up to speed.
[08:45] <seishinbyou> Sometimes, filtering out resumes for developer positions is easier than shooting fish in a barrel...it is as easy as looking at fish in a barrel
[08:46] <Jucato> how about looking for a needle in a hay stack?
[08:46] <whiz2> I have an idea... anyone know where Linux stores it's printer drivers once a printer is installed?
[08:46] <seishinbyou> "9 years experience developing on Win XP Pro"
[08:46] <seishinbyou> "20+ years HTML experience"
[08:46] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, he must of discovered osx's time machine
[08:46] <seishinbyou> It's as easy as being somewhere near a barrel
[08:46] <intelikey> how about looking for the hey stack that contains the needle
[08:47] <seishinbyou> neither did the rest of the real world, I guess
[08:47] <intelikey> seishinbyou you gota hire that kid....
[08:47] <Jucato> lol
[08:47] <seishinbyou> I'm more interested in overclocker 1337 dood
[08:47] <Ash-Fox> I've seen ads that requested six years experience with windows 2003
[08:47] <Jucato> he must be, what, 19 years old?
[08:47] <Jucato> :P
[08:47] <Jucato> lol
[08:47] <seishinbyou> The guy puts extensive overclocking guides *in his resume*
[08:48] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, does he play counterstike?
[08:48] <whiz2> I could use instructions on overclocking my PC... maybe I should get in touch with him lol
[08:48] <seishinbyou> What is going to happen is that we'd give him $500 and he'd build a PC that blew everything in the office away
[08:49] <whiz2> lol
 he must be, what, 19 years old? <00   <seishinbyou> "20+ years HTML experience"  <---- ah prolly more like 12.
[08:49] <whiz2> lol
[08:49] <DarthShrine> intelikey: z0mfgz0r! Don't pay out 12 year olds!
[08:49] <Jucato> lol
[08:49] <seishinbyou> Oh, that guy (20+ years HTML) was  a grad student of all things, in "Business tech"
[08:50] <seishinbyou> I weep for the future
[08:50] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, don't take life seriously, you'll never live through it.
[08:51] <draik> wiki?
[08:51] <Ash-Fox> Didn't gopher support HTML at one point?
[08:51] <whiz2> brb
[08:52] <intelikey> Ash-Fox idk
[08:52] <intelikey> but 1986 seems pre html  to my recallection
[08:53] <Jucato> maybe he was involved in *the* development of HTML with Tim Berners Lee. :P
[08:54] <intelikey> when ?
[08:54] <Jucato> (did I even get the name right?)
[08:54] <Jucato> dunno. ask the applicant lol
[08:54] <Jucato> er sorry wrong topic :P
[08:54] <intelikey> lol
[08:54] <Jucato> can't use the scroll mouse here )
[08:54] <intelikey> why not ?
[08:54] <Jucato> no X :)
[08:54] <intelikey> ah
[08:55] <Ash-Fox> 1076 upgraded, 153 newly installed, 24 to remove and 45 not upgraded. Need to get 916MB of archives. After unpacking 310MB of additional disk space will be used. <= Wee =)
[08:55] <intelikey> [page-up]
[08:55] <intelikey> Jucato try  [page-up]
[08:55] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah. but I'm so used to scrolling :)
[08:56] <intelikey> and why are you without X ?
[08:56] <draik> Geez, that kid sure seems like the winner
[08:56] <DarthShrine> Jucato: That is scrolling...
[08:56] <intelikey> you are like the kde guy in here....
[08:56] <Jucato> DarthShrine: with a scroll wheel I mean
[08:56] <seishinbyou> "Learning Hascal" <- Does he mean Haskell or am I thinking something else?
[08:57] <DarthShrine> Jucato: Ah... Scrolling with keys isn't hard...
[08:57] <intelikey> draik yeah my first post on that was "you gotta hire that kid."
[08:57] <Blacken[Zzz] > seishinbyou: It's the new fad. All the readability of Pascal with all the usability of Haskell!
[08:57] <Jucato> seishinbyou: the language named after George Hascal?
[08:57] <whiz2> I'm trying to configure the print server from System Settings: Printer, but it keeps asking me for a username/password... won't accept mine, and I dunno the one for root
[08:58] <draik> intelikey, I would hire him just for laughs.
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> They still teach pascal in the local unversity here
[08:58] <intelikey> draik don't give my boss any ideas.......  ;/
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> They have these brand new windows xp systems.. and they want you to run some dos IDE for pascal
[08:59] <seishinbyou> My 1st year uni programming course was in Pascal...that was in 95 though
[08:59] <Blacken[Zzz] > I'm a first-year university student. I'm stuck learning Scheme.
[08:59] <Ash-Fox> Of course they have weird bugs and the computers lock up randomly with the pascal installation.. but... ugh
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Choice of Borland Turbo Pascal or Think Pascal (Mac)
[08:59] <datoch> hi! howto upgrade from debian unstable to 6.10?
[08:59] <Blacken> datoch: Uh. Reformat and reinstall.
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Turbo Pascal, where changing comments causes code that should compile but doesn't to successfully compile
[09:00] <draik> intelikey, depends on who your boss is
[09:00] <datoch> Blacken: are you sure?
[09:00] <Blacken> datoch: Seeing as how Debian and Kubuntu are entirely different systems, yes.
[09:00] <draik> Jucato, %?
[09:00] <Jucato> draik: 70% :P
[09:01] <datoch> Blacken: just adding apt source and doing dist-upgrade wont help?
[09:01] <Blacken> datoch: I doubt it.
[09:01] <Blacken> datoch: The packages are entirely different.
[09:01] <Ash-Fox> datoch, trust me. It won't work, I've had the pleasent experience of trying sudo apt-get dist-upgrade myself from debian unstable with ubuntu repositories :P
[09:01] <Blacken> Scheme is a hideous language, though. It's painful.  It's past midnight here...
[09:02] <draik> finally
[09:02] <intelikey> draik 9+ of xp pro
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> Too much for me, seriously.
[09:02] <DarthShrine> Ash-Fox: O_o
[09:02] <Blacken> Pascal is cake, though.
[09:02] <Blacken> Scheme is a mindbender.
[09:02] <draik> that's the OS, what about the office suite intelikey?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> draik: No, but everyone and their brother is sure going out of their way to say *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*
[09:03] <Blacken> It's just...not...*right*!
[09:03] <intelikey> lol  @  *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*
[09:03] <Blacken> There are two types of programming zealots in classrooms: the object-oriented ones and the functional ones. Both are out of their trees, IMO.
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, they can? Last time I tried to get people todo relatively simple operations like creating tables and such under word... It was dead near impossible to them
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I should write back *THAT'S NICE*
[09:04] <draik> in my experience from the past 7 months of unemployment, they ALL ask, "Can you use office? Word? Excel? Powerpoint? Access? Outlook?" I always found that funny since asking about office includes all those parts.
[09:04] <seishinbyou> Well, I'm remembering that in IT, at least here, Excel is the most popular application for word processing and presentations
[09:04] <Jucato> Excel is used for word processing?
[09:04] <draik> It's like asking, "Can you drive a manual transmission vehicle? 1st gear? 2nd gear? 3rd gear? 4th gear? 5th gear?"
[09:05] <seishinbyou> It's painful to watch presentations done all in Excel, where each tab is a new "slide"
[09:05] <Ash-Fox> draik, what I find funny is that in interviews, they will ask you if you've had more than three years experience with ms product 2005 or something
[09:05] <draik> Oh yes
[09:05] <draik> those are great
[09:05] <whiz2> Hmm... interesting...
[09:05] <seishinbyou> People use Excel for word processing because they can position things the way they like (read: wrong)
[09:05] <Jucato> O_O
[09:05] <Jucato> I just find that... um... amusing
[09:05] <seishinbyou> Throw formatting and positioning completely out the window
[09:05] <seishinbyou> Welcome to IT and documentation in Japan
[09:05] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, LaTeX.
[09:06] <intelikey> Jucato interesting isn't it
[09:06] <whiz2> Linux say that the printer's URL is ipp://localhost:631/printers/epson wonder how I can use that infomration to my advantage...
[09:06] <Jucato> intelikey: absolutely
[09:06] <draik> A lady was doing a phone interview with me and asked, "Can you name a few web browsers?" I named Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror, Lynx.. She said, "Ok, so you know the new one like firefox" She totally blanked on the others!
[09:06] <intelikey> i use echo for all my word processing
[09:07] <seishinbyou> vi works all right for me
[09:07] <DarthShrine> intelikey: z0mfg 1337
[09:07] <Jucato> Kate or nano
[09:07] <intelikey> i'm not that leet
[09:07] <whiz2> in windows, I use notepad... in Linux, I use kate
[09:07] <Ash-Fox> draik, what job was that for...?
[09:07] <draik> IT
[09:07] <intelikey> ed is over my head
[09:07] <draik> IT, help desk, desktop support
[09:07] <Jucato> lol
[09:07] <DarthShrine> intelikey: ed is *easy*
[09:07] <Jucato> draik: you don't know Epiphany? :P
[09:08] <draik> Epiphany I haven't used, but heard of
[09:08] <intelikey> sed maybe
[09:08] <draik> I was about to tell the lady Safari, but I wasn't sure if that's the Mac web browser or not... I used a mac once when I was looking at iPods, but that's it
[09:08] <Jucato> Safari, it is :)
[09:09] <Ash-Fox> Safari, Camino
[09:09] <whiz2> when the printer server asks you for a username/password, and defaults to root as the username... does root even HAVE a password?
[09:09] <Ash-Fox> !root
[09:09] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:09] <draik> The lady was also asking me to name 5 search engines... So I said, "Google, Froogle, Google Video, Google Images and Google Maps"
[09:09] <whiz2> this is not in a command line
[09:09] <intelikey> whiz2 not on default *buntu
[09:09] <Jucato> draik: err??
[09:10] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, sudo passwd sets a password
[09:10] <whiz2> thanks. that'll help a lot... I'll set one
[09:10] <draik> I knew I wasn't getting the job so I thought I'd make the most out of the "funeral"
[09:10] <Jucato> Google, Yahoo, AltaVista, MSN, (insert one more)
[09:10] <Jucato> draik: lol :)
[09:11] <draik> Another place asked me and I said "Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, AOL"
[09:11] <intelikey> draik if you can't dazzel them with wit baffel them with bull *         no ?
[09:11] <whiz2> lol
[09:11] <draik> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you intelikey
[09:12] <Ash-Fox> One interview I was in: Him: So... You know computers? Me: Err, yes. Him: I seeeeeeee. *odd silence*
[09:12] <draik> LOL
[09:12] <Jucato> lol! my sister just called, asking me about OO.o. Apparently, a client of theirs sent a document in .odt format :)
[09:12] <Ash-Fox> He shook my hand and then told me to leave.
[09:13] <draik> WTF???
[09:13] <draik> why Ash-Fox?
[09:13] <intelikey> "programmer that know computer have very strange sex life"  -- computius
[09:13] <Jucato> offtopic "topic" of the day: Linux and Open Source in the office...
[09:13] <Ash-Fox> draik, I think he wanted someone older :P
[09:13] <draik> LOL @ intelikey
[09:13] <draik> ditto
[09:13] <draik> I am only 23
[09:14] <whiz2> Ash-Fox: guess I have to restart X for the password change to take full effect huh?
[09:14] <Jucato> presuming that older == wiser || more experienced...
[09:14] <draik> I got to interviews and they look at me like I'm lying about what I have on my resume
[09:14] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, no
[09:14] <whiz2> all the computer stuff on my resume is stuff I've taugh myself
[09:14] <intelikey> Jucato in some possions  older == more mature
[09:14] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, password changes are instant
[09:15] <whiz2> well when trying to configure the print server from within system settings/printers, it still denied it
[09:15] <Jucato> presuming... chrnological age != psychological age != emotional age != mental age
[09:15] <draik> at my last job, one guy that I liked for his computer skills killed it for me... he opened a running desktop and started to run his hand all over the place to remove dust bunnies.
[09:15] <Jucato> ok I know that wouldn't work in C :)
[09:16] <whiz2> draco: YIKES
[09:16] <draik> I really admired his input on some issues I was having with windows, but then he was doing that and just killed it for me
[09:16] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, one question..  Sorry about that Jucato
[09:17] <draco> whiz2: YIKES? :D
[09:17] <whiz2> draco: sorry wrong person
[09:17] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ok... I thought I said something wrong :P
[09:17] <draco> oh k ;)
[09:17] <whiz2> lol
[09:17] <draik> Yes, I have
[09:17] <Jucato> lol lots of misdirected stuff
[09:17] <draik> Ash-Fox
[09:17] <draik> I hate that whole "weird" description
[09:18] <whiz2> draco: maybe you could help me... know anything about sharing printers from linux using Samba?
[09:18] <seishinbyou> Now, technical questions aside, I make sure there is little to no micromanagement before accepting a job, even if it does kill a few job offers
[09:18] <draik> LOL, 2 innocent bystandards are hit with comments going to me...  I heard that usually works well :P
[09:19] <intelikey> whiz2 did you get linux to linux to print ?
[09:19] <ubuntu> how would i do a fresh install from the internet?
[09:19] <whiz2> intelikey: No. it doesn't even show the job in the print qeue
[09:19] <seishinbyou> If I wanted to obfuscate it, I'd just rot13 it
[09:19] <lupine_85> ubuntu: netboot or debootstrap
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu, I don't think there is a network insall cd for ubuntu distros
[09:20] <ubuntu> i would just type that in a prompt?
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> !netboot
[09:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> I'm mistaken! *reads urls*
[09:20] <lupine_85> plenty of ways to do it :)
[09:21] <whiz2> ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that
[09:21] <lupine_85> any of the methods in the Debian install manual will work as well, with suitable modifications
[09:21] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: there's no netinstall CD. the Alternate Install CD acts as the netinstall :)
[09:21] <draik>  seishinbyou, any other oddities in resumes?
[09:21] <Ash-Fox> lupine_85, I knew how todo it manually, but this could be very useful for when I'm helping other people and I don't have the time to mess with chroot and so on :P
[09:21] <seishinbyou> Well, one guy held a job with the title "Evil Death Ray"
[09:21] <intelikey> whiz2 did you read the links ^ ?
[09:21] <seishinbyou> Turns out that means Testing/QA
[09:21] <draik> LOL
[09:22] <whiz2> intelikey: I didn't click on them
[09:22] <lupine_85> Ash-Fox: you could always port ubiquity to Windows ;)
[09:22] <draik> seishinbyou: Have you ever read the resume of a kid applying to McDonald's?
[09:22] <seishinbyou> I think I remember that one
[09:22] <whiz2> draik: I've written a resume as a kid applying for McDonald's lol
[09:22] <seishinbyou> That sort of resume wouldn't get far here, though
[09:23] <draik> I've submitted resumes to various places under the name of various friends
[09:23] <draik> I like to keep them on their toes
[09:23] <whiz2> I neglected to mention to them my computer knowledge tho. :-p
[09:23] <seishinbyou> Worst mistake I ever made was applying to a pizza parlour when I was 14, not knowing how to answer the questions
[09:23] <seishinbyou> "How long do you plan to work here?"
 "Ummm... in bed with your... boy?"
[09:25] <whiz2> ROFL
[09:25] <whiz2> I saw that episode!
[09:26] <draik> whiz2, YEAH! As he looks at the employer's picture of his wife and son
[09:26] <seishinbyou> Hmm, if Family Guy is available on tap (torrent) I'll have to try and get a full episode sometime (not shown here)
[09:26] <draik> You should
[09:26] <whiz2> lol yup!
[09:26] <intelikey> whiz2      * Installation/LowMemorySystems - Install Ubuntu on older computers with
[09:26] <whiz2> Family Guy is an excellent show
[09:26] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[09:26] <draik> There is also another episode where the one that gets the promotion is Soundwave from the original Transformers (also out 7/4/7 in theaters)
[09:27] <draik> Ash-Fox, I was too
[09:27] <whiz2> Ash-Fox: they can't do that. It's illegal
[09:27] <draik> or maybe christian
[09:27] <draik> I can't recall
[09:27] <draik> But then again my place was at a University
[09:27] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, I live in Poland, not the US :P
[09:27] <whiz2> Ash-Fox:  oh ok then I guess they can lol
[09:28] <draik> and on the last page, it asks you to sign that if you ever feel like you are losing faith, you will turn to a councelor for help.
[09:28] <Ash-Fox> They can't, but it's acceptable for some reason
[09:28] <draik> REJECTED!!!
[09:29] <Dannilion> Hello
[09:29] <Ash-Fox> Hello Dannilion
[09:29] <Ash-Fox> Get in the car, it's a lion.
[09:29] <Dannilion> Where do I find what the permissions are for a usb stick on mount?
[09:29] <draik> LOL
[09:29] <whiz2> intelikey: I'm not trying to install Linux from a network, or internet
[09:29] <intelikey> i didn't say you were
[09:30] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, hm, honestly I don't know :/
[09:30] <whiz2> intelikey: you sent me links explaining how to do it
[09:30] <draik> I was escorted once from an interview when I said that I believe in minor piracy... I forgot that I was applying for a QA position for music/movies... WHOOPSIE!
[09:31] <whiz2> LOL
[09:31] <Dannilion> OK, I have this problem- I don't have write access to my usb stick, and whenever I try to get it as either user or root it doesn't work
[09:31] <intelikey> whiz2 cause you said "<whiz2> ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that"     that's why i sent you the link,
[09:31] <draik> doesn't        ls -a           show you everything about the device once inside the /media directory?
[09:32] <Dannilion> forgot that one- I'll check it
[09:32] <whiz2> intelikey: That doesn't qualify as being done from the internet... but it does qualify as being done over a network. :-p
[09:32] <intelikey> Dannilion what fs ?
[09:32] <Dannilion> fat32
[09:32] <intelikey> Dannilion mount it with  -o umask=0
[09:33] <Dannilion> can you remind me how to unmount and remount it please?
[09:33] <intelikey> umount blah
[09:33] <intelikey> sudo umount blah
[09:33] <Ash-Fox> mount /dev/sda /media/usb-folder
[09:33] <Ash-Fox> *** mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb-folder
[09:33] <intelikey> with the -o
[09:34] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, you shouln't need it. At least I haven't.
[09:34] <whiz2> brb
[09:34] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/sda /media/usb -o umask=0
[09:34] <draik> My USB automatically opens up a folder for me
[09:34] <Ash-Fox> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o umask=0
[09:34] <Dannilion> so does mine
[09:35] <draik> I've yet to have an issue with USB drives
[09:35] <intelikey> Ash-Fox  he said no write access.  thus he needs it
[09:35] <draik> well, travel drives anyway
[09:35] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, needs to be /dev/sda1 though
[09:35] <intelikey> assuming a partition...
[09:36] <intelikey> you don't need a partition to have an fs
[09:36] <Ash-Fox> My usb keys always worked that way.
[09:36] <draik> I have a Sony 256MB, Memorex 1GB and a 512MB MP3 player from ZEN and I don't have any issues with reading/writing
[09:36] <Dannilion> still doesn't have write access
[09:36] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, didn't know =)
[09:36] <Dannilion> And yes, I did check the lock key on it :P
[09:37] <intelikey> Dannilion show us the line that addresses that device from     mount
[09:37] <Ash-Fox> uh, Dannilion, try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,users (for write access)
[09:37] <Ash-Fox> You will need to unmount it first obviously.
[09:38] <Dannilion> intelikey, how do I do that?
[09:38] <intelikey> typing the mount command with no args. displays the content of /etc/mtab
[09:38] <Dannilion> ok
[09:38] <intelikey> mount
[09:38] <Dannilion>  /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)
[09:38] <Ash-Fox> (and root will only have read write access to that)
[09:39] <nikon> everytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do
[09:39] <intelikey> that should be writable
[09:39] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, as root only though
[09:39] <intelikey> no as world
[09:40] <Dannilion> I'm still trying to copy as root though :P
[09:40] <Dannilion> and it still doesn't work
[09:40] <intelikey> umask=077 would be root only.    umask=0  should ==  umask=000
[09:40] <Dannilion> I think it might be the device
[09:40] <intelikey> which is world wrx
[09:41] <nikon> everytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do
[09:41] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, ls -ll /media/usbdisk
[09:42] <intelikey> you thinking mountpoint access ?
[09:42] <Ash-Fox> Just need to show us one line from that.
[09:42] <Dannilion> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3619220 2006-09-22 13:58 wierd al yankovich - Weird Al Trigger Happy.mp3
[09:42] <Ash-Fox> See, it isn't world writable.
[09:43] <whiz2> Any idea how I can add KDE Control Center to my K button/menu?
[09:43] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, umount it, and try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,rw,users
[09:43] <Jucato> whiz2: right-click on the K Menu, select Edit Menu, then add it?
[09:43] <Dannilion> ok
[09:43] <Jucato> whiz2: the app name is "kcontrol"
[09:44] <Dannilion> done, ls -ll /media/usbdisk still comes up with the same as above
[09:44] <Dannilion> I think it's the device now
[09:45] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, I don't think so
[09:45] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, can you do a 'sudo touch /media/usbdisk/blah'
[09:46] <Ash-Fox> (Shouldn't display anything if it succeeds)
[09:46] <Dannilion> touch: cannot touch `/media/usbdisk/blah': No space left on device
[09:46] <Dannilion> That's interesting- there's plenty of space
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> Yeah, it's been locked somehow.
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> It should of been mounted as read/write, root can write no matter what to a read/write partition.
[09:47] <intelikey> Ash-Fox it works here.  /dev/hda1 on /etc/dhcp/bin type vfat (rw,umask=0)   <-> ls -l bin/config.sys    -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root     846 Sep 18 18:53 config.sys
[09:47] <whiz2> Jucato: thank you
[09:48] <Jucato> whiz2: no problem :)
[09:48] <Dannilion> Looking online, looks like I'm not the only one with this problem (though those with this complaint are using Windows)
[09:49] <intelikey> i'm thinking one more stab Dannilion   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usb    just to make sure it's not still a mask issue.
[09:49] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, I stand corrected then
[09:49] <Dannilion> okay
[09:50] <intelikey> Ash-Fox we could both be right
[09:50] <Ash-Fox> Root should of been able to 'touch' there, despite any masks.
[09:50] <intelikey> yes
[09:50] <intelikey> i agree
[09:50] <Dannilion> mount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:51] <intelikey> add the device name
[09:51] <Dannilion> usbdisk?
[09:51] <intelikey>  sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk
[09:51] <Dannilion> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:52] <intelikey> is it usb or usbdisk or usb-disk ???
[09:52] <Dannilion> usbdisk
 /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)
 mount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:53] <intelikey> what's the permissions now Dannilion ?
[09:53] <Dannilion> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:54] <cox377> has anyone installed firefox2?
[09:54] <whiz2> KDE help center is not u to date about KDE Control center
[09:55] <cox377> !firefox
[09:55] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:56] <intelikey> Ash-Fox we have Dannilion so confussed now that he copied and pasted your repost of his mount output...
[09:56] <Dannilion> yup
[09:56] <petter_> yo
[09:56] <Jucato> whiz2: some of the docs aren't really up to date. It's not KHelpCenter's fault, though :)
[09:56] <Dannilion> and I'm female
[09:56] <Jucato> she
[09:56] <intelikey> i'll go away and let you sort it out if you like.
[09:57] <Jucato> hi Dannilion :)
[09:57] <Dannilion> Hey Jucato
[09:57] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, on the phone right now :/
[09:57] <intelikey> or if not i'll try too just say which.
[09:57] <Dannilion> The last one intelikey posted resulted in the error mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:58] <Jucato> whiz2: we all are :)
[09:58] <whiz2> Now if they could just make sharing printers through Samba easier, then I might be able to figure it out, and make it work
[09:58] <Jucato> lol... sounds a lot like Hobbse's long pointy stick :)
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> you should really umount it before you remove it
[09:59] <intelikey> Dannilion this was the working command.      sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usbdisk      but a test on another boxen is good.
[10:00] <intelikey> och shnill
[10:01] <Dannilion> same problem on Windows machine
[10:01] <Jucato> so it's the USB that's at fault
[10:01] <Jucato> ?
[10:01] <intelikey> Dannilion now you know.  not the mount it's the media
[10:01] <Dannilion> Yup
[10:01] <Dannilion> So I get to take it back to Argos :P
[10:02] <Dannilion> I've only had it a couple of weeks
[10:02] <intelikey> anyway remember the umask=  for future use.
[10:02] <Dannilion> I will :)
[10:02] <Jucato> well at least you could still return it :)
[10:02] <Dannilion> yup
[10:03] <Dannilion> I also took out insurance on it, so I've can claim on that
[10:03] <Jucato> O_o
[10:03] <Ash-Fox> !firefox
[10:03] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[10:03] <intelikey> me too o.O
[10:04] <Dannilion> Though this time I don't think I've broken it
[10:04] <seishinbyou> "Wrote documentation on how to use Mac OS X for Windows users" <- found on resume
[10:04] <Jucato> O_O
[10:05] <Jucato> seishinbyou: you really get the strange ones, don't you? :)
[10:05] <seishinbyou> Oh, many of these are boring, but a few have gems of info in them
[10:05] <intelikey> seishinbyou what is this for i may what to apply  :)
[10:05] <seishinbyou> Jobs here.  We are short staffed
[10:06] <intelikey> here ?
[10:06] <seishinbyou> Here being Invio (www.invio.co.jp)
[10:06] <Jucato> intelikey: Japan :)
[10:06] <intelikey> invio.co  k
[10:06] <Jucato> one of my favorite countries...
[10:06] <seishinbyou> The name has changed a few times over that past... year
[10:07] <intelikey> Jucato i'm afried it would be a conflict of intrests anyway.  my contract doesn't allow me to hold another job
[10:08] <Jucato> aw :(
[10:08] <Jucato> intelikey: never got around to asking you where you're from
[10:08] <seishinbyou> The office is really close to Akihabara, a geek paradise
[10:08] <intelikey> well the isp says texas but i'm not in texas.   but that's close enough
[10:09] <Jucato> ah :)
[10:09] <Jucato> hm...
[10:09] <intelikey> we'll just say one of the surounding states and leave it at that.
[10:10] <Jucato> (sorry about this but...) USA maps remind me of a jigsaw puzzle...
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I agree with you :P
[10:10] <seishinbyou> Louisiana is shaped like an "L" :p
[10:10] <intelikey> yeah   but the country is big. they had to split it up some how
[10:10] <Jucato> yeah... but with straight lines....
[10:11] <intelikey> no there are rivers and mountians in the way
[10:11] <Ash-Fox> Sometimes the pieces don't fit, so you need a communist hammer
[10:11] <Jucato> I mean the.. er.. do you call them borders?
[10:12] <Jucato> well, at least how they look on a map
[10:12] <Jucato> anyway... offtopic again hehehe
[10:12] <intelikey> "start line"  is the term  and it's kinda like lots of little countries inside one big one.
[10:13] <Jucato> yay 4% to go
[10:13] <Jucato> almost forgot how long upgrading felt like :)
[10:13] <intelikey> :)
[10:13] <Dannilion> I can barely remember where all the counties in Europe are, nevermind where the US states are
[10:13] <intelikey> try it on dialup :)
[10:13] <Jucato> lol
[10:13] <seishinbyou> At least it isn't measured in Microsoft minutes (tm)
[10:14] <Jucato> I wouldn't have tried Ubuntu/Kubuntu if I were totally on dial-up... (sorry to say)
[10:14] <arkygeek> Jucato: kumusta ka?
[10:14] <seishinbyou> Dial-up is but a distant memory for me :(
[10:14] <Jucato> seishinbyou: same here... almost :)
[10:15] <Dannilion> I'm going to be putting 2 computers on Dialup onto Kubuntu
[10:15] <Jucato> arkygeek: err.. ok lang ako
[10:15] <arkygeek> Jucato: oh......
[10:15] <Jucato> Dannilion: if you have one that is not on dial up, that would be ok, I guess
[10:15] <Jazon> ;-)
[10:15] <Jucato> Jazon: aah hehe :)
[10:15] <seishinbyou> I could go dialup I guess, but that is more expensive than optical
[10:15] <Jucato> expensive and impractical
[10:16] <intelikey> Dannilion dsl dialup ?
[10:16] <Dannilion> Mine is on broadband, but the two computers are on dialup
[10:16] <Dannilion> They're in a church
[10:16] <seishinbyou> Mind you, ADSL is more expensive than optical here now, anyways :/
[10:16] <Jucato> Jazon: ouch....
[10:17] <seishinbyou> did you keep your old xorg.conf file?
[10:17] <intelikey> !xorg
[10:17] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:18] <Jucato> almost done...
[10:18] <Jazon> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[10:18] <intelikey> "To restart your X"    hehhe    oh that doesnt say ex   my bad.
[10:19] <Jazon> (EE) failed to load module i810 (module requirement mismatch, 0)
[10:19] <Jucato> lol
[10:19] <intelikey> Jazon nvidia ?
[10:19] <Jazon> intel i915
[10:19] <livingdaylight> does Gimp not come with Kubuntu by default?
[10:19] <Jucato> livingdaylight: no.
[10:19] <Jucato> it has Krita instead
[10:20] <livingdaylight> wtf is krita?
[10:20] <Jucato> !krita
[10:20] <livingdaylight> what kind of kritter is krita?
[10:20] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 2516 kB, installed size 7976 kB
[10:21] <Ash-Fox> Krita is self-aware.
[10:21] <intelikey> is krita the command ?    i have kde but no krita
[10:21] <livingdaylight> looks like an incomplete hackers part-time hobby went to town on it
[10:21] <Jazon> heh
[10:21] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not installed by default on kde if you don't have koffice installed
[10:21] <intelikey> k
[10:21] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you've tried it?
[10:22] <intelikey> so it's part of koffice then, not part of kde.  and kubuntu includes koffice ?
[10:22] <Jazon> but my wife insists on running aps6 under wine
[10:22] <livingdaylight> Jucato: just looking at the interface now for the first time - looks primitive
[10:23] <livingdaylight> Jucato: or is it just lack of polish?
[10:23] <Jucato> livingdaylight: why not try it out first
[10:23] <livingdaylight> anyone here use gimpshop?
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> kubuntu-desktop's meta package doesn't have koffice by default... but it's in the repositories...
[10:23] <Jazon> any ideas on how i might proceed from this point on my display driver issue?  I miss X
[10:23] <seishinbyou> Paint Shop Pro 4 Shareware version through Wine ftw
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: no. Kubuntu doesn't have koffice by default.
[10:23] <livingdaylight> Jucato: one gets used to one thing or another, isn't it?
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: I meant that krita is a koffice project
[10:24] <Jazon> livingdaylight: yes, it is just a rearrangement of menus and stuff.  still the same old gimp.
[10:24] <Jucato> livingdaylight: then install GIMP. easy as that
[10:24] <Ash-Fox> Jazon, not exactly. There are some things apparently unique to krita too that the gimp does not have
[10:25] <Jazon> livingdaylight: i found it a pita to use because everytime i wanted help (either from the web or irc) all the answers were for gimp, and not gimpshop
[10:25] <intelikey> ok all that got me confuz    i'll urpmi koffice and see if krita comes with it or not.
[10:25] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I'm just saying that you should give it a try before you go on making statements like it being an incomplete hacker's part-time hobby etc etc
[10:25] <Jazon> Ash-Fox: i was talking about gimp vs gimpshop
[10:25] <Ash-Fox> Jazon, sorry. dyslexia + tiredness is a bad combo :)
[10:25] <Jazon> lol
[10:25] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hehe...forgive me, please  :)  i was just being an ass.
[10:25] <Jazon> np Ash-Fox
[10:26] <livingdaylight> Jucato: woke up this morning in a provocative mood, hehe....
[10:26] <Jucato> apparently...
[10:26] <livingdaylight> thx, Jazon...
[10:26] <intelikey> ok the answer is   "yes krita is part of the koffice dependancies"
[10:26] <Jazon> i tried:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  >> same thing...
[10:27] <Jazon> livingdaylight: np
[10:27] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i need to know that you've forgiven me, please? i can't bear it otherwise....
[10:28] <Jucato> livingdaylight: there's nothing to forgive :P
[10:28] <Jazon> livingdaylight: gimp is really good.  awkward at first if you are coming from aps, but once you get over the hump, its really good. (kind of like linux in general from windoze)  .... imho
[10:28] <livingdaylight>  :D
[10:29] <intelikey> Jazon yes you have a mismatched version  /boot/abi*  most likely didn't upgrade.     sudo apt-get dist-upgrade       see if it gives a green light or no ?
[10:29] <intelikey> boot the the new kernel
[10:29] <Jazon> everything passes with further d-u attempts
[10:29] <Jazon> intelikey: i have been
[10:29] <Jazon> should i try the old one?
[10:29] <Jazon> heh - guess thats an obvious thing to try that i havent yet.. :s
[10:30] <intelikey> yes the old one will probably work
[10:30] <Jazon> brb - will give a try
[10:30] <intelikey> but that doesn't fix the error.
[10:31] <livingdaylight> Jazon: precisely. And having got over the hump to find that there was an altogether differnt application again to come to grips with... I just thought why not all get together consolidate and make ONE great application instead of so many projects out there as there are.
[10:31] <intelikey> livingdaylight -:- SignOff Jazon: #kubuntu ("WeeChat 0.1.9")
[10:31] <livingdaylight> intelikey: lol, i just noticed
[10:32] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you don't have to use that other app. you can just settle on GIMP if you want
[10:32] <arkygeek> that didnt work :(
[10:33] <intelikey> arkygeek =? jazon
[10:33] <Jucato> livingdaylight: also, that same question has been asked regarding different distros, different desktops, different apps in the open source world
[10:33] <Jucato> intelikey: yep yep...
[10:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: no, i'm in kubuntu so i want to see how folks do things over in kde land. Besides krita sounds like an amalgamtion of gimp anyway, plus it has nice documentation so, i'm gonna give krita a go and see why they have opted for krita over gimp in kubuntu
[10:35] <intelikey> livingdaylight in a word, diversity.
[10:35] <Jucato> livingdaylight: well I can tell you one reason: they wanted an app that would sit well in KDE and use the features that KDE has. there are other reasons, too. but I'm not familia with them
[10:35] <arkygeek> so any ideas guys?
[10:35] <livingdaylight> Jucato: thats right and i think it is a good question. Linux is all about freedom and choice in every sense. There are pros and cons of course. Sometimes i do feel there is too much diversity and not enough integration and consolidation of resources to make one absolute killer desktop or distro or Gimp or whatever....
[10:36] <livingdaylight> intelikey: diversity, lol, the word i found also.
[10:36] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it's because we don't need "one" killer desktop or "one" killer distro, or "one" killer app. that's just not the way the Free/Open Source Software world works.
[10:36] <arkygeek> livingdaylight: i disagree.... i think that the diversity is the strength!  think about it... the code is all open source...
[10:37] <cpk2> you just need the "killer" code =P
[10:37] <Jucato> besides, it's not like *all* these distros are competing with one another, and not all apps survive that long
[10:38] <arkygeek> so i should prob reboot back to 2.6.17 i guess hey?
[10:38] <Jucato> some are just made for a specific audience
[10:38] <seishinbyou> heretix linux is for the insane
[10:38] <livingdaylight> Well, as long as the applications all get stronger and stronger by community development over time. Otherwise too much diversity = weak applications that don't compete with the mac and windows world which further = slower uptake of lInux
[10:39] <livingdaylight> arkygeek: how about a balance of diversity plus consolidation and focus
[10:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: = projects like FreeDesktop.org
[10:40] <intelikey> arkygeek i'm not sure what to tell ya. so i'll be quiet.
[10:40] <dude> livingdaylight: how's ur beryl?
[10:40] <livingdaylight> rather than half half a dozen harf arsed applications, none of which stand up to a commercial endeavor why not focus all the energies and be competitive, that will get others out there recongnizing LInux as a true viable alternative in a business and productive sense - not just a hobby-ist one
[10:40] <livingdaylight> dude: how is yours?
[10:41] <livingdaylight> dude: have you mustered the courage to install it yet?
[10:41] <dude> livingdaylight: no beryl yet, still waiting for the alpha release
[10:41] <Jucato> maybe because their goal is really not to "stand up to a commercial endeavor"
[10:41] <xsacha> which alpha release?
[10:41] <whiz2> I just installed firefox on KDE. How do I make it my default web browser?
[10:41] <Teh_Roxor> Does anyone know how to get the burning effect for beryl?
[10:42] <dude> i don't if it's alpha or what
[10:42] <xsacha> the plugin Teh_Roxor
[10:42] <Teh_Roxor> Where can I find that?
[10:42] <dude> livingdaylight: still afraid
[10:44] <intelikey> livingdaylight because if every opensourse codeer worked on one project it would be larger than the kernel + gnome + kde + e17    and. M$ would have it in cort so fast your head would swim.
[10:44] <xsacha> Edit->Preferences->Check Now whiz2
[10:44] <livingdaylight> Jucato: well that is a shame, and i don't believe that is actually anyones aim - not to stand up to commercial enterprises - quite the contrary. And even if that is true what you say, then it is a pity on another front; certainly we can't moan about the fact that 3rd parties and hardware vendors don't figure LInux in the equation
[10:44] <livingdaylight> dude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p
[10:44] <intelikey> M$ already tried to paten !=   i mean come on.
[10:44] <xsacha> beryl may be in alpha but it's very stable.. just a few problems with tv-out and very specific about what it needs as well as shaky driver support
[10:44] <whiz2> xsacha: that setting did absolutely nothing
[10:45] <Teh_Roxor> Beryl is very nice, no crashes for me so far.
[10:46] <Teh_Roxor> I need a better video card though
[10:46] <Teh_Roxor> The water effects don't work so well
[10:46] <xsacha> what video card?
[10:47] <xsacha> yeah water effects not working well here and Blur Effects locks up my screen (absolutely no blur appears too)
[10:47] <xsacha> have to hit esc and disable blur
[10:47] <intelikey> what is beryl ?
[10:47] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Linux has, is, and will, evolve in a different way from other OS. While Microsoft or Apple has "evolved" by monopoly ("one app, one desktop, one OS" to rule them all), Linux, by it's very nature evolves through diversity and freedom.
[10:48] <xsacha> !beryl
[10:48] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[10:48] <intelikey> oh eye candy
[10:48] <xsacha> yeah
[10:48] <xsacha> you can make it productive if you want as well.. it's an opengl desktop...
[10:49] <Teh_Roxor> Blur works well for me, but water effects are REALLY slow
[10:49] <whiz2> no one knows how to change the filetype associations for websites, so they open with a different browser? Edit->Preferences->check now doesn't do anything at all.
[10:49] <Teh_Roxor> I have an old nVidia
[10:49] <xsacha> i wonder what i am missing that makes blur fail
[10:49] <Jazon> :D  figured it out.
[10:50] <xsacha> go to System Settings->Default Applications whiz2
[10:50] <intelikey> whiz2 in xfce i'd say set the prefered application.  but i haven't seen kde for a while.
[10:50] <Teh_Roxor> Actually whiz2, I have no idea... I always have used Konqueror
[10:50] <xsacha> Web Browser is last one in list
[10:50] <Jazon> i had to apt-get remove xserver-xorg-drivers-i810  >>  apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810
[10:50] <Jazon> wierd hey?
[10:50] <livingdaylight> dude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p
[10:51] <intelikey> accually i haven't seen xfce for a while either now.   twm  i little tho.
[10:51] <xsacha> i've seen xfce+beryl -- it's nice.. :D
[10:51] <xsacha> whiz2: did that work for you?
[10:52] <whiz2> It's not there
[10:52] <whiz2> Default Applications is not in System settings
[10:52] <xsacha> it's in top row, Default Applications
[10:52] <xsacha> what version of KDE?
[10:52] <whiz2> however default applications IS in KDE Components.
[10:53] <intelikey> xfce + beryl....  hmmm almost sounds like running kicker inside of xfce
[10:53] <intelikey> turns it into something it's not
[10:53] <xsacha> ok, im using KDE 3.5.5 which has a different layout
[10:53] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lol, "one OS to rule them all" nice refernce to Lord of the Rings. Yea, i shall continueto prefer LInux too  :p
[10:53] <xsacha> but that should be it for lower versions whiz2 :D
[10:53] <livingdaylight> dude: what abotu Compiz?
[10:54] <whiz2> Ypu upgraded to edgy?
[10:54] <whiz2> You*
[10:54] <xsacha> yeah
[10:54] <whiz2> What's the difference between this version, and edgy?
[10:54] <Jazon> livingdaylight: i have opinions about compiz.... it looks cool, is an important idea/step forward, but i found it nauseating to use....
[10:55] <xsacha> just different versions of apps..
[10:55] <whiz2> if edgy's not fully released yet, then I'm not going to upgrade.
[10:55] <xsacha> so that sort of means a lot of small differences.. force DPI in fonts, changes system settings and so on
[10:55] <xsacha> it'll be released tomorrow, i think
[10:55] <esas_> Arkygeek: you're right!!!
[10:56] <whiz2> if I upgrade, I should probably do a fresh install of it... a friend of mine did it by "upgrade" and ruined his system... turned his installation of Linux into a paperweight
[10:56] <xsacha> :S at least he had a seperate home partition... right?
[10:57] <intelikey> Q; what do linux users do ?
[10:57] <intelikey> A; they install  software
[10:57] <whiz2> No... he did the upgrade from within his installed version... right into the same version/partition
[10:57] <livingdaylight> Jazon: i happily use beryl ...  ;)  i just thought since the dude was afraid of beryl he might check out compiz
[10:57] <xsacha> yeah but he had his home partition so he didnt lose anything important?
[10:58] <whiz2> He couldn't even start X
[10:58] <xsacha> just install edgy on root and keep home
[10:58] <xsacha> so he doesnt lose his settings
 He couldn't even start X <---- as if that was major
[10:58] <Teh_Roxor> The wobbly windows in beryl are annoying
[10:58] <Teh_Roxor> I think
[10:58] <whiz2> My root partition has the entire operating system on it. home is not on a different partition on my system
[10:58] <xsacha> starting X is usually easy to fix :P
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> But I really like the emerald windecos
[10:59] <xsacha> then disable them Teh_Roxor :P but i like them
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> I have, haha
[10:59] <intelikey> whiz2 mine either
[10:59] <whiz2> Niether was casey's he was the one I'm talking about
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> I have my root and home on different drives.
[10:59] <xsacha> did you get the aura around your windows Teh_Roxor? they are very cool.. get 100 radius and make transparency high
[10:59] <intelikey> in fact my home isn't on a partition
[10:59] <whiz2> he managed to get X running, but his system was running in bad shape
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> Yeah, I have the aura... not as big as that though
[11:00] <xsacha> you set transparency high so it's not noticable but it looks really cool
[11:00] <Teh_Roxor> I'll try that
[11:00] <whiz2> xsacha: know anything about sharing printers from Linux using Samba to gain access from various windows versions?
[11:00] <xsacha> no idea, i dont even own a printer :O
[11:00] <xsacha> i just run down to my uni to print everything
[11:01] <whiz2> man... no one can effectively help me with this
[11:01] <intelikey> whiz2 did you ask in #ubuntu ?
[11:01] <whiz2> no, but that's an idea...
[11:01] <livingdaylight> Jucato: referring to krita sitting well in kde... does gimp not sit so well in kde then? And since its Kubuntu why opt  for openoffice over Koffice then?
[11:02] <xsacha> openoffice can open microsoft office files while KOffice cant for me
[11:02] <xsacha> i know people say they can open .doc, but it wont open my .doc
[11:02] <whiz2> brb
[11:02] <xsacha> only openoffice does
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> When I have the amaroK window up, beryl gets really shakey
[11:02] <intelikey> whiz2 also ##linux   when the questions get to hard for the distro channels try there.
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> The decos flash
[11:02] <xsacha> mm amarok runs fine in beryl here :S
[11:02] <xsacha> the aura flashes?
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> Do you have any animation on it running?
[11:02] <xsacha> by the way, you notice the aura appears on dock too? :)
[11:02] <livingdaylight> xsacha: openoffice rules - no doubt about it
[11:03] <Jucato> livingdaylight: dunno about openoffice. but GIMP doesn't make use of lots of KDE stuff, like kio, kparts, or even just the File dialog boxes
[11:03] <xsacha> animation? probably not
[11:03] <xsacha> inside amarok?
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> The visualization
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> Or whateve
[11:03] <xsacha> oh, no i dont
[11:03] <intelikey> livingdaylight oo was highly requested
[11:03] <xsacha> that'd do it
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> That may be it
[11:03] <livingdaylight> intelikey: 'demanded'  :p
[11:04] <intelikey> pretty close to that same
[11:04] <xsacha> yeah, i'm glad it is in instead of KOffice
[11:05] <livingdaylight> Jucato: glad i didn't install gimp then, and which is why i asked. I know that kde and gnome are moving more and more towards integration and mostly it is true one can install either on either platform but generally it is more stable to use stuff in their home environment. When i'm not sure i ask
[11:05] <livingdaylight> Jucato: you are such a rebel  :p
[11:05] <Jucato> livingdaylight: hehe not really :P
[11:05] <livingdaylight> hehe ^^
[11:06] <livingdaylight> !seen jazon
[11:06] <ubotu> Jazon is on IRC right now!
[11:06] <intelikey> looks like gimp doesn't need much tho   apt-get install gimp   "gimp gimp-data libgimp2.0 libwmf0.2-7" <-- The following NEW packages will be installed:   5449kB
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> I hate gimp's interface
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> Multiple windows... gah
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> So annoying
[11:07] <intelikey> the thing i have trubble with is close the wrong window and the whole app closes
[11:08] <livingdaylight> intelikey: i was originally looking at trying out gimpshop, which is similar, docs said that if gimp was installed then i could skip the dependency related aspect of installing gimpshop from source. Which is how this all started
[11:08] <livingdaylight> any of you try gimpshop?
[11:09] <intelikey> but my box is too old for gimp anyway.
[11:09] <livingdaylight> supposed to deal with some of the annoying aspects people find with gimp, but looks like the interface may be quite much the same
[11:09] <livingdaylight> intelikey: how old is that then?  :|
[11:09] <intelikey> oh  p1 ish
[11:10] <livingdaylight> GEEZUS kristus intelikey !  :o
[11:10] <livingdaylight> wtf, are you running on there intelikey?
[11:10] <intelikey> what am i running ?
[11:10] <intelikey> what jew mean ?
[11:10] <Teh_Roxor> I tried gimpshop on Windows once
[11:11] <Teh_Roxor> Hated it
[11:11] <livingdaylight> intelikey: yea, what os and desktop?
[11:11] <livingdaylight> Teh_Roxor: is that right? does it not stand up to scrutiny?
[11:12] <intelikey> kubuntu kde xfce4 twm blackbox fluxbox..... ummmm seems like something else is installed.
[11:12] <intelikey> icewm
[11:12] <intelikey> that's it.
[11:12] <livingdaylight> Lets make a kitty and all chip in so intelikey can get himself a new computer - he deserves it goddamm it!  :D
[11:13] <intelikey> he aint really interested.  so don't chip in.
[11:13] <livingdaylight> lol
[11:13] <livingdaylight> intelikey: how can you run kde on a p1?
[11:14] <livingdaylight> intelikey: this is Dapper?
[11:14] <intelikey> livingdaylight it runs better than gnome on here
[11:14] <intelikey> yes 6.6
[11:14] <livingdaylight> intelikey: i didn't think that was possible?
[11:14] <Teh_Roxor> livingdaylight: I can't even remember why I didn't like it
[11:15] <intelikey> what ?
[11:15] <livingdaylight> Teh_Roxor: lol
[11:15] <livingdaylight> intelikey: to run a modern linux distro such as Dapper on a P1
[11:15] <Teh_Roxor> Gimpshot
[11:15] <Teh_Roxor> Gimpshop*
[11:15] <intelikey> and why not ?
[11:15] <intelikey>  this is not that M$ reboot os
[11:16] <intelikey> it's just linux  i have linux installed on a 486 lappy
[11:16] <Teh_Roxor> Has anyone here managed to get Flash working without a delay of sound?
[11:16] <intelikey> 2.4 kernel    mandrake 9
[11:17] <Teh_Roxor> And will flash 9 ever come out for Linux?
[11:17] <Carbon_Monoxide> anyone would tell me what would be the normal result for "more /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"?
[11:17] <intelikey> Teh_Roxor after the first of the year i hear.
[11:18] <intelikey> Carbon_Monoxide  tty2 [greg@~]  cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[11:18] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]
[11:18] <intelikey> looks like nothing here.
[11:18] <Teh_Roxor> I get nothing
[11:19] <Carbon_Monoxide> nothing in the file?
[11:19] <intelikey> empty cammel
[11:19] <Teh_Roxor> nothing
[11:20] <intelikey> camel
[11:20] <Carbon_Monoxide> thanks buddies! I was wondering why my file was empty
[11:20] <Carbon_Monoxide> it seems like it is working right
[11:21] <intelikey> i'm wondering why you are playing around in the /proc
[11:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> because I have to edit it for my gaming sound
[11:21] <intelikey> games ok.
[11:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> I tries to run Enemy Territories
[11:22] <whiz2> intelikey: I'm getting ignored in both the channels you recommended
[11:22] <intelikey> whiz2 sorry.
[11:22] <claudio> hi
[11:22] <whiz2> not your fault
[11:22] <intelikey> tod is bad for help tho
[11:23] <claudio> I can't listen audio of video with kaffeine
[11:23] <intelikey> tod==time of day
[11:23] <claudio> why?
[11:23] <cpk2> dont have the right codec?
[11:23] <claudio> i don't know
[11:23] <Teh_Roxor> What kinds of audio and video?
[11:23] <intelikey> !mp3
[11:23] <cpk2> although libxine-extracodecs should cover everything you need
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <claudio> mp3 i think
[11:24] <apokryphos> Please use consult FAQ first
[11:24] <apokryphos> !faq
[11:24] <ubotu> faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[11:24] <whiz2> intelikey:  tod?
[11:24] <whiz2> oh time of day
[11:25] <intelikey> do you know the differance between a duck ?
[11:25] <claudio> i'll tried
[11:25] <claudio> installing
[11:25] <claudio> libxine-extracodecs
[11:25] <claudio>  w32codecs
[11:25] <claudio>  libarts1-mpeglib
[11:25] <claudio>  libarts1-xine
[11:25] <claudio>  libakode2-mpeg
[11:25] <claudio> but nothing...
[11:25] <intelikey> one leg is both the same.
[11:26] <cpk2> is kaffeine using xine?
[11:26] <whiz2> intelikey:  you lost me on that oke
[11:26] <claudio> i don't know
[11:26] <intelikey> whiz2 it's a slow joke, it will take a while for it to catch up with you.
[11:27] <cpk2> erhm i dont think my defuncted procs released their memory, any way to check?
[11:27] <whiz2> intelikey: there is also a room called #samba
[11:27] <intelikey> in irc they are called "channels" but yes.
[11:28] <Teh_Roxor> I call them houses.
[11:28] <claudio> can you help me?
[11:28] <intelikey> cpk2 pgrep ?
[11:28] <Teh_Roxor> Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.
[11:28] <intelikey> lp me?
 Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.
[11:29] <intelikey> hosed that paste didn't i
[11:29] <intelikey> I'm wrong, I dare you.    <[11:29] <cpk2> intelikey: the zombies died with a kill but I think the memeory might not have been released, I guess I will notice in a day or 2 =P
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> :(
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> claudio, did you read those help docs?
[11:30] <claudio> yes
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> Do you get sound from any program at all?
[11:30] <claudio> i've done what they say to do
[11:31] <claudio> i can listen mp3 from xmms
[11:31] <intelikey> cpk2 process is gone but you think that memory is locked because the process was ????    did you roll your own kernel ?    or are you rolling something else ?
[11:32] <thomas__> does beryl do tv out?
[11:32] <cpk2> intelikey: kernel is from the repos, i might be wrong about memory though =X
[11:32] <whiz2> intelikey: you say tomato, I say tomahto, you say potato, I say potahto... you say channels, I say rooms. :-p
[11:32] <intelikey> cpk2 if not.  there is a major issue with the ubuntu kernel.
[11:33] <cpk2> intelikey: ok then we will assume it isnt locked =)
[11:33] <intelikey> whiz2 not me.  don't matter to me what you call them.   just thought you might want to know.  :)
[11:34] <intelikey> cpk2 yeah lets assume that.  :))))
[11:34] <cpk2> =D
[11:34] <whiz2> intelikey: Actually, I already knew what they were called, but I call them rooms out of habit from using other chats (like yahoo for example)
[11:35] <cpk2> now I just need to find a way to feed musicbrainz picard a lot of my library without it defuncting
[11:35] <Teh_Roxor> Can anyone else help claudio? I'm no expert, myself.
[11:36] <intelikey> Teh_Roxor i'm not on that issue but the output settings would be the straw i would grasp at.
[11:36] <cpk2> he should check to make sure kaffiene is using xine
[11:36] <intelikey> yes inside the app.
[11:36] <cpk2> and possibly try a different player
[11:36] <intelikey> also
[11:37] <intelikey> there you've picked my brain.   feel better ?
[11:37] <intelikey> :)
[11:37] <Teh_Roxor> =-o
[11:37] <B-Minus> hello does anyone know a good cdwriter program ? k3b isnt working well :(
[11:38] <intelikey> B-Minus i like cdw  or xcdroast  but you may not like either.
[11:38] <whiz2> k3b works fine for me.
[11:38] <cpk2> and should probably tell xine to use alsa
[11:38] <B-Minus> intelikey: are those command line ?
[11:38] <intelikey> cdw is
[11:39] <intelikey> xcdroast is full gui
[11:39] <cpk2> B-Minus: where exactly is k3b under performing?
[11:41] <intelikey> i don't really care for the over all layout of k3b    it reminds me of another cdburner i saw once in that other os.
[11:41] <B-Minus> cpk2: i have dapper 6.06, when i want to copy a cd it says unable to eject media, then when i solve that it says no permission to drive when i insert an empty cdr even while i changed all permissions with k3bsetup
[11:41] <Teh_Roxor> ...I really like k3b. :(
[11:41] <cpk2> could probably just run k3b as root to solve it
[11:42] <whiz2> kdesu k3b
[11:42] <cpk2> whiz2: and what problem is that?
[11:42] <intelikey> yuch
[11:42] <whiz2> cpk2: Using Linux, and Samba, I'm trying to share a printer with a Windows XP Pro PC, a windows 98 PC, and another Linux PC, but every time I try to export the drivers, I'm told there are missing drivers, and any time I try to use a network PC to get the drivers for install, I'm told there are no drivers to get on the server PC. How do I sucessfully share a printer using Samba on Linux?
[11:42] <B-Minus> whiz2: i already did with kdesu k3b and i still get the same problems
[11:42] <intelikey> run as root to solve perms issue.....   yuch   what a hack.
[11:43] <intelikey> how about add self to cdrom and cdrecord groups
[11:43] <intelikey> media too maybe
[11:43] <whiz2> B-Minus: that would be how you run it as root, but if that's not working, then running as root just isn't working either.
[11:44] <whiz2> cpk2: Did I manage to stump you too with this problem of mine?
[11:44] <cpk2> i've never tried using samba for printers
[11:45] <cpk2> swat might make it easy to do but back up your samba config before installing swat
[11:45] <nitro[XL] > under winxp you need to install driver for your printer from your printer vendor cd .. then will work
[11:45] <claudio> intelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?
[11:45] <claudio> intelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?
[11:46] <intelikey> kontact ?
[11:46] <intelikey> kmail would be the app maybe ?
[11:46] <intelikey> idk.
[11:46] <whiz2> !swat
[11:46] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:47] <intelikey> i have stabbed in the dark.  if nothing screems i'll assume i missed.
[11:47] <Teh_Roxor> kontact feels very crappy in my opinion
[11:47] <cpk2> whiz2: installing swat will erase your samba config so BACK IT UP BEFORE INSTALLING
[11:47] <whiz2> cpk2: will do
[11:48] <intelikey> swat = samba with a twist ???     jk.
[11:48] <cpk2> hehe
[11:49] <cpk2> personally i didnt like swat but i never had to config printers so it might help with that =P
[11:50] <thill2708> Can I get tv-out with beryl?
[11:50] <intelikey> i'm high profile network illiterate     samba i have never set up.
[11:50] <thill2708> and is it stable?
[11:50] <intelikey> !beryl
[11:50] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[11:50] <thill2708> yup
[11:50] <thill2708> been there
[11:50] <thill2708> nothing regarding tv out
[11:51] <intelikey> then you should know if it's alpha/beta/stable
[11:51] <thill2708> well, I guess
[11:51] <thill2708> apparently it's stable enough for most
[11:52] <thill2708> I'm really more curious about the tv out functionality
[11:52] <intelikey> thill2708 i have heard that tv-out was one of the few points that it still gave any problems   but that is hear say.
[11:53] <whiz2> cpk2: is SWAT a gui interface?
[11:53] <thill2708> ah
[11:53] <thill2708> that's the show stopper for me
[11:53] <cpk2> whiz2: yes via the web
[11:53] <whiz2> hmmm... ok
[11:54] <intelikey> you are more than welcome to try it.  but you ask and i only repeted what i heard.
[11:54] <B-Minus> intelikey: tnx, xcdroast burned the cd without problems
[11:54] <B-Minus> k3b looks very nice but just doesnt work for me :(
[11:54] <intelikey> B-Minus welcome
[11:55] <maverick> guys! am runing kubuntu, anyone did run "turboprint" successfuly ??
[11:56] <intelikey> yeah i think it's probably a "group" issue B-Minus  you could add your self to media and cdrom groups to see if it helped
[11:56] <maverick> am having canon s300 Bj printer and i figured that turboprint wud recognize it
[11:56] <maverick> but i cannot run it
[11:58] <intelikey> or just use xcdroast
[11:59] <intelikey> oh my. i have to go die now.  my shift ended almost an hour ago.
[12:00] <intelikey> good day, good night and good bye.
[12:02] <Jazon> hi again guys
[12:02] <Jazon> having another problem since the d-u
[12:02] <maverick> !turboprint
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about turboprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <Jazon> checking for GL/glu.h... no  >>> configure: error: *** Unable to locate OpenGL includes.
[12:05] <Jazon> sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev  >>> xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed >>> E: Broken packages
[12:05] <Jazon> libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed
[12:06] <dvayanu> hi
[12:06] <dvayanu> i have kubuntu edgy, i i start konqueror / - i only see four folders, home, media, work and acqua_backup (last both are mine)
[12:07] <dvayanu> if i enter /opt in the adress line i can see the contents too
[12:07] <dvayanu> or /usr, or /bin
[12:07] <dvayanu> he even makes an autocompletion
[12:07] <afm\colossus> yeah. nifty, huh? ;D
[12:08] <dvayanu> it would be niftier if it would work properly :-)
[12:08] <dvayanu> i have no filters on or something
[12:08] <dvayanu> other programms sees all folders
[12:08] <dvayanu> like firefox
[12:10] <afm\colossus> hm well, i see your problem now
[12:10] <afm\colossus> that's strange
[12:10] <thill2708> what's the best online retailer for games?
[12:10] <afm\colossus> i don't use konqu for managing files, though from what i recall, you were able to browse /
[12:10] <thill2708> console games*
[12:11] <dvayanu> afm: well, i wouldn't care about that, but amarok uses (apparently) konqueror for file dialogs and i can't add nothing to my collection which is not in the four folders
[12:11] <dvayanu> and since xmms wishes to allocate 8 gig memory on my machine and makes it all swap after 4 songs played...
[12:12] <dvayanu> i'm stuck with amarok as player
[12:13] <Jazon> methinks there be dragons
[12:13] <dvayanu> where
[12:13] <Jazon> did a d-u to edgy
[12:14] <allee> hi, klicking on a link in kmail, konversation, popup a msg dialog that the file http://... does not exists. Starting konqueror with the url, fail too, but click on reload load the page (dapper + backports) fails to open. Started this week. Not sure if it's related to an upgrade.  Known problem?
[12:14] <Jazon> now probs with libgl1-mesa-dev etc...
[12:14] <jende> Jazon: what probs?
[12:14] <allee> err, reload load the page fine
[12:15] <Jazon> allee: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dQeSFm85.html
[12:15] <afm\colossus> dvayanu: have you already taken a look into kde's bugtracking system?
[12:16] <Jazon> errr, jende  that was for you.... sorry
[12:16] <allee> Jazon: are you sure that's address to my question? :)
[12:16] <dvayanu> not yet, i wasn't sure its a bug
[12:16] <allee> brb
[12:16] <Jazon> sorry allee
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: sudo apt-get -f install followed by a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: that should fix your prob
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: have you changed just before your dpkg your sources?
[12:18] <Jazon> sources are edgy only
[12:18] <Jazon> i donloaded the one pkg however from the debian package site
[12:19] <jende> Jazon: errrr...is it a deb package? have you got the link for me?
[12:19] <Jazon> jende: here is the source of my issues: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OeORE022.html
[12:19] <Jazon> i am building GRASS from cvs
[12:20] <Jazon> jende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/mesa-common-dev_6.5.1-0.2_all.deb
[12:20] <maverick> jazon: do u have a guide on how to build from CVS
[12:20] <livingdaylight> Jazon: whenyou were referring to compiz were you referring to beryl aswell?
[12:20] <Jazon> jende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-dev_6.5.1-0.2_i386.deb
[12:20] <Jazon> livingdaylight: no
[12:20] <JosefK> Jazon: sudo aptitude install freeglut3-dev
[12:20] <Jazon> maverick: yes, i have built it several times...
[12:21] <livingdaylight> Jazon: are you Jazon of the Argonauts?
[12:21] <Jazon> JosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qv7bfM39.html    that look ok?
[12:22] <jende> Jazon: I'm quite positive that that package wont work on edgy
[12:22] <Jazon> livingdaylight: im not greek.... :P
[12:22] <JosefK> oh dear Jazon - you've installed mesa packages that aren't from the official repo's?
[12:22] <Jazon> just one
[12:22] <jende> JosefK: I don't think that deb stable (sarge) ppackages will work on edgy
[12:23] <JosefK> you'll need to fetch freeglut manually then, or build it from cvs or similar
[12:23] <Jazon> ok.... just my feeble attempt.... shall i dpkg -r it?
[12:23] <jende> JosefK: G'Day
[12:23] <JosefK> morning jende ^^ just finished getting those debconf dvd's
[12:24] <whiz2> cpk2: swat wouldn't even run on that system... the browser couldn't open http://localhost:901
[12:24] <jende> JosefK: my box gave up last night, don't know why...will try after lunch again
[12:24] <whiz2> so I'm going to give up for now, and get some sleep... I'm several hours overdue for some shuteye
[12:25] <Jazon> JosefK: is it possible to backstep by removing the package?  I didnt change any sources
[12:25] <JosefK> indeed Jazon, it's offering to downgrade the package automatically for you
[12:25] <JosefK> heh, http://randolphcarter.myby.co.uk/err.png
[12:26] <JosefK> konqueror's a but, um... confused?
[12:26] <Jazon> hehe - i would say so... how big *is* that???
[12:26] <jende> JosefK: ooops
[12:26] <JosefK> it's only the 8.6 gigs or so debconf dvd's :/
[12:27] <JosefK> I'm guessing it could be Samba on the box that's messed up...
[12:27] <jende> JosefK: seems to be so...but still ooops
[12:28] <jende> have to grab me a coffee...brb...
[12:28] <JosefK> aye, same here
[12:29] <martalli> Constant Comment here
[12:29] <martalli> chai is good for the soul and mind (Coffee will do, though =)
[12:29] <dvayanu> ok, solved it
[12:29] <dvayanu>  sudo rm /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root
[12:29] <JosefK> ah, thanks a lot dvayanu
[12:30] <jende> b
[12:32] <Jazon> JosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjVZ9d18.html   look better now?  or more work still?
[12:33] <Jucato> is it possible at all to have 3d hardware acceleration using the open source "nv" driver?
[12:34] <wildchild> whe I try to save with open office filne mane *.doc it says: saving using protocol "media" is not supported.
[12:34] <Jazon> Jucato: i think kano has a script that works nice...  check in #kanotix
[12:34] <wildchild> filne mane = file name
[12:34] <Jucato> Jazon: ah ok.
[12:35] <Jazon> JosefK: should i remove the libglu1-mesa and apt-get install it?
[12:35] <Jazon> heh - that would be a BAD idea....
[12:37] <sid_> hello :)
[12:37] <Teh_Roxor> Hail to thee
[12:38] <sid_> I have NTFS harddisk (USB) and I want to format it in FAT32
[12:38] <supermegazord> ave all
[12:38] <sid_> can I do it in Kubuntu
[12:38] <Jazon> well, for better or worse, this is what i did :  http://rafb.net/paste/results/dZ4o2r59.html
[12:38] <supermegazord> i have one questions
[12:38] <supermegazord> how create a local repositories
[12:40] <jende> !FAT32
[12:40] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:41] <JosefK> Jazon: apt-get seemed to be offering to downgrade the packages automatically for you, when you were trying to install
[12:41] <Jazon> it worked anyways....
[12:41] <JosefK> ah, good :) sorry about that, I was making a coffee
[12:41] <Jazon> i have now moved on to new problems :s
[12:41] <Jazon> hehe
[12:41] <jende> sid_: maybe parted is what you want
[12:42] <jende> sid_: its a cmd-line tool, see man parted
[12:45] <jende> sid_: or you may want to use a tool like partition magic
[12:45] <Jucato> or QtParted or GParted...
[12:45] <jende> Jucato: or...;) G'day buddy
[12:45] <Jucato> hi jende!!! :)
[12:46] <jende> howdyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:46] <cpk2> jende: welcome
[12:46] <JosefK> sid_: or if you want something writable in linux/windows, maybe have a look at using ext3 and installing "ext2 IFS" on windows
[12:46] <jende> cpk2: hey...how arey a?
[12:46] <afm\colossus> www.fs-driver.org
[12:47] <cpk2> good, found a way to (somewhat) easily tag and rename my music collection
[12:47] <jende> cpk2: sounds cool
[12:47] <jende> cpk2: how did you do it?
[12:48] <cpk2> jende: musicbrainz picard
[12:48] <cpk2> and I am doing it right now
[12:48] <cpk2> 5000 songs is still alot =P
[12:48] <jende> cpk2: damn...indeed that's a lot
[12:48] <cpk2> my room mate has 12000 or something though =(
[12:48] <cpk2> I'm getting owned
[12:49] <jende> what???12,000???unreal
[12:49] <cpk2> although I contend he has way too many duplicates
[12:49] <Jucato> jende: sorry for the late reply. doing fine here :)
[12:50] <jende> Jucato: *g*
[12:51] <cpk2> oh boy the app is really starting to lag now that I have fed it almost my whole library
[12:52] <maverick> guys, am searching for package to support my annon S300 printer..as it's driver is not available in kubuntu...i used turbo print, it works like a charm but it's only a test version so a stupid logo is printed in every page...any help?
[12:52] <jende> cpk2: *ggg*
[12:52] <maverick> canon S300*
[12:52] <jende> maverick: spent 30Euros and the logo will be gone
[12:52] <cpk2> I'm hoping it doesnt defunct, if i fed it my whole library at once it zombifies =P
[12:52] <Jazon> whats this mean guys??? checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc   -Wl,--export-dynamic) works... no.... configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[12:52] <cpk2> sure is exciting!
[12:53] <jende> Jazon: sudo apt-cache search gcc and pastebin the output
[12:53] <maverick> jende: wht if i don't want to and i want my driver to be supported in kubuntu :D
[12:54] <Jazon> jende: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ttsjvt88.html
[12:54] <jende> maverick: ah well, than I guess, you will have to wite your own driver, though
[12:54] <sid_> thank you josefk
[12:54] <asmo674hurt> what a f**k? i had insert MMC card in cardreader, but it now say: you have no permissions to write in these folder
[12:55] <Jazon> asmo674hurt: do ls -l  and look at permissions
[12:55] <Jazon> ?
[12:55] <jende> Jazon: how and what are you trying to install/compile?
[12:55] <Jazon> i am ./configure GRASS from cvs
[12:56] <asmo674hurt> Jazon: my name and writes, that i can watch & modify content
[12:56] <Jazon> jende: this is the ./configure i am using: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0MYx8963.html
[12:57] <Jazon> asmo674hurt: is it mounted read write in fstab?
[01:00] <jende> Jazon: just a guess...shouldn't you do that with 'sudo'?
[01:00] <Jazon> jende: no
[01:00] <Jazon> def not
[01:00] <Jazon> nor with make
[01:00] <Jazon> just sudo make install
[01:00] <jende> Jazon: I know that it would be quite unusual
[01:01] <jende> Jazon: hmm...kinda weird though
[01:02] <Jazon> gcc           gcc-3.4-base         gcc-4.0-base  gcc-4.1-base         gcc-3.3-base  gcc-4.0       gcc-4.1
[01:02] <fabio> hola
[01:03] <fabio> os pasa que de vez en cuando al iniciar de session grafica no hay la musica?
[01:03] <fabio> no hay el sonido
[01:03] <fabio> en general
[01:04] <Jucato> !es
[01:04] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:04] <fabio> sorry
[01:04] <fabio> i think was the spanish chat
[01:05] <jende> Jazon: http://grass.itc.it/community/support.php#irc
[01:05] <Jucato> bleh! I'll wait for Edgy's release, download the ISO, and reisntall again...
[01:05] <cpk2> Jucato: break something?
[01:05] <Jucato> not really... I'm just ranting...
[01:06] <ohmbr> hi, I have kubuntu runing ltsp, it's working just fine, but i can't configure my keyboard (abnt2)...
[01:06] <Jucato> stressed out after going through hoops upgrading from a *fresh* Dapper install
[01:06] <ohmbr> does somebody know what can i do?
[01:06] <cpk2> Jucato: vanilla everything to vanilla edgy?
[01:07] <Jucato> if by vanilla you mean "absolutely fresh, clean, nothing added, nothing touched", then yes
[01:07] <cpk2> wow, i hope it isnt a pain to upgrade to edgy
[01:08] <Jucato> well, let's just hope...
[01:08] <Jucato> it's a fresh 6.06.1 install. no upgrades, so that might have caused the problems...
[01:08] <jende> Jazon: dunno if you've been there already, thats why I've posted you the link
[01:09] <Jazon> missed that jende  thax
[01:10] <jende> Jazon: they've got on top of it a ML, as well
[01:10] <Jazon> yeah, i know.... thx.  i missed you sending me the link...
[01:10] <jende> http://grass.itc.it/community/support.php   <- for ML
[01:12] <klerfayt> how to fix scrollbar in firefox?
[01:17] <Gostie> is anybody here who could give me a hand?
[01:18] <jende> Gostie: on what?
[01:19] <Jazon> sudo apt-get install build-essential   >>> that sorted me - :-)
[01:19] <jende> Jazon: well done...
[01:19] <jende> Jazon: so, it's compiling now?without any hassles?
[01:20] <Jucato> oooh KDE Plugin wizard to install Flash...
[01:20] <Gostie> I have a widescreen (1280*768 on windows) laptop which I'm running kubuntu on. It refuses to make the resolution any bigger than 1024*768, effectively wasting the edges
[01:21] <Gostie> any ideas on how I could fix that?
[01:21] <jende> Gostie: whats the installed graphiccard?
[01:23] <andhy> Gostie: you must set proper HorizSync & VertRefresh on /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:24] <Gostie> Intel 855GME  (64MB) according to the specs
[01:24] <andhy> Gostie: and add your 1280x1024 like default resolution on proper DefaultDepth
[01:25] <jende> andhy: and maybe the right module for the GC as well if it gor installed just with a vesa
[01:25] <andhy> jende: and maybe ... ;)
[01:26] <andhy> Gostie: of cource 1280x768 (not! 1280x1024)
[01:27] <Gostie> the only things in /etc/x11/xorg.conf which have any mention of resolution all say 1280*768
[01:29] <Gostie> the Horizsync is 28-64 and the Vertrefresh is 43-60
[01:29] <Gostie> apparently
[01:29] <andhy> Gostie: go google - "model of your laptop" xorg.conf HorizSync - and check what do you must write
[01:29] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[01:30] <Gostie> no results
[01:30] <afm\colossus> Gostie: there's a bug with certain Viode BIOS versions the X11 graphics drivers for Intel-products depend on
[01:32] <afm\colossus> but there's a program called 915resolution which is able to work around that bug
[01:32] <afm\colossus> it's in the repos
[01:32] <afm\colossus> install it, and read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian afterwards
[01:34] <larson9999> i got a job!
[01:35] <Gostie> thanks
[01:35] <Gostie> installing that now
[01:37] <Jazon> thx for all the help guys!
[01:38] <escola> gh
[01:38] <Kiongku> heh guys.. u know the command to lock screen from the terminal?
[01:40] <JosefK> Kiongku: the xlockmore package seems to provide a command to do that
[01:40] <JosefK> !xlockmore
[01:40] <ubotu> xlockmore: Lock X11 display until password is entered.. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:5.13-2.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 973 kB, installed size 2576 kB
[01:44] <Kiongku> hmm
[01:44] <Kiongku> thx
[01:45] <some0ne> Kiongku: If you have xscreensaver-demo running you could also use xscreensaver-command -lock.
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> Hai, Guys :)
[01:49] <ikam> hello, a nice guide please ,for working kubuntu and qemu? thanks...
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> When will firefox 2. land up in the repos ?
[01:50] <Teejay__> Hi, I'm wondering if anybody have experienced their computer freezing while running Kubuntu 6.06
[01:50] <Teejay__> ?
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, not me.
[01:50] <Teejay__> I might try a reinstall soon, if that gets rid of the problem
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> ikam, Running windows ? ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo?highlight=%28qemu%29
[01:51] <Teejay__> sorry I am running kubuntu 6.10
[01:51] <Teejay__> not 6.06, sorry
[01:51] <ikam> many thanks [
[01:52] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Try updating your system.
[01:52] <Teejay__> system is fully updated
[01:52] <ikam> |lostbyte|: thanks
[01:52] <|lostbyte|> ikam, np ;)
[01:52] <Teejay__> I will check for new updates just incase although
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Then you should be knows, when it happens. Whats the last thiing you do. ?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, yes, do that first.
[01:54] <Teejay__> it can be anything accessing the kmenu, running things like kopete, konversation, firefox and amarok at once
[01:54] <Teejay__> and then it just freezes
[01:54] <Teejay__> apart from that I have found kubuntu the ideal linux os for my needs :D
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Its just a matter of 12 hrs, the Final stable version is out. Update it then.
[01:57] <Teejay__> thanks jlostbyte
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, np ;).. I wish i could help more.
[02:01] <Linux_Galore> is there firefox 2.0 packages yet for kubuntu
[02:02] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, Na..
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> shame its allot better than 1.5
[02:03] <DrCurl> hi
[02:03] <DrCurl> I come from the gnome world. I would like to know if there is an equivalent to the gnome deskbar applet for the kicker? Deskbar is a launcher applet that search as you type...
[02:03] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, Yes, many new features.
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> faster too
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> in more ways than one, it also loads faster on the machines Ive updated
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, just have to check it out first, to really know..
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, Searches for ?
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> DrCurl: hmm katapult
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, oh ! just hit alt + space and type in the program name.
[02:05] <DrCurl> |lostbyte|, there are various plugins, basically, search for apps, files, on the web
[02:05] <turbojugend> anyone here to help me with kxdocker (I am new to KDE...) ??????????
[02:06] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: whats the problem
[02:06] <DrCurl> thanks guys
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, np ;)
[02:06] <turbojugend> I can't start the damn thing
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> run kxdocker from konsole. .
[02:07] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: I am new to KDE not to Linux :P, idid i get errors wanna post 'em?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, sure.
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> :)
[02:07] <jarn> How do I move things around on my kicker? Somehow my click etc all got moved left.
[02:08] <DrCurl> katapult looks like the perfect thing, I was jalous of OS X because of quicksilver
[02:08] <|lostbyte|> jarle, middle click and drag.
[02:08] <|lostbyte|> jarn, ^^
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: I use ksmoothbar, kxdocker is stagnant right now
[02:08] <jarn> |lostbyte|: That didn't work for me... :/
[02:09] <GnarusLeo> Hi! How do I update to firefox 2.0?
[02:09] <|lostbyte|> jarn, first make sure, its not locked ( right-click + unlock_panel ).
[02:09] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: Notice i am using Beryl and baghira.....error: X error bad device etc etc    AND    says the conf files are corrupt both users and system...?
[02:10] <jarn> |lostbyte|: It isn't.
[02:10] <|lostbyte|> GnarusLeo, No package in the repo. that is on dapper. no idea about edgy.
[02:10] <|lostbyte|> jarn, what are you trying to move ?
[02:10] <DrCurl> Linux_Galore, do you mean ksmoothdock?
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: kxdocker is very experimental and unstable but I found ksmoothbar allot better
[02:11] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: the repos one work (ksmoothbar, is it nice?
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> sorry ksmoothdock
[02:11] <turbojugend> ic
[02:11] <GnarusLeo> |lostbyte|, do you know how I upgrade to edgy?
[02:11] <jarn> |lostbyte|: The system tray and the clock.
[02:11] <turbojugend> jeroenvrp either dl the rc disc, or sudo apt-get dist upgrad
[02:12] <jeroenvrp> turbojugend: ?
[02:12] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore, the ksmoothdock from repos is it working?
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: dont know I built from source
[02:12] <turbojugend> any special deps?
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: not that I noticed
[02:13] <turbojugend> lol jereonverp wrong post sorry
[02:13] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, kooldock
[02:13] <turbojugend> ok kooldock or ksmoothbar?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> neither, both are just clutter
[02:14] <turbojugend> the repos one (koolbar) is working?
[02:14] <turbojugend> clutter?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> yeah, its all just junk at the end of the day, its doesnt improve your performance
[02:14] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, i belive ksmoothbar comes in kooldock
[02:14] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore clutter=?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: its not needed
[02:15] <xsacha> kiba-dock
[02:15] <turbojugend> lostbyte, ha? i lost you some more info plz (again will adept get me a working dock with those , i am tired of faulty compiles...
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> its still not needed if you have kicker
[02:15] <chupa> hi 2 all
[02:16] <turbojugend> lol kiba-dock is just a starter, i decided to try KDE for a real docker
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> having kicker and ksmoothbar kxdocker both running is just a waste of desk space and resources
[02:16] <xsacha> throw in kiba-dock too
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, yes, i should. i can always uninstall, if you dont like it.
[02:16] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: actually, you don't run them with kicker... it's on or the other. not both
[02:16] <turbojugend> Linux_galore ksmoothbar is a docker or a launcher?
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> it*
[02:16] <turbojugend> jucato, i agree
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> !docker
[02:17] <ubotu> docker: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-3 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 84 kB
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: same as the osx docker in concept
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> !launcher
[02:17] <ubotu> launcher: Selects which program to launch according to extension. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.86-1 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 124 kB
[02:18] <turbojugend> ok to me launcher i mean just launching apps, while docker can host a tray trrashbin etc
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: ksmoothdock does both
[02:18] <turbojugend> ok, thnx
[02:18] <turbojugend> brb
[02:18] <|lostbyte|> yes
[02:22] <turbojugend> kooldock seems nice at a glimpse, any usefull ideas for it?
[02:24] <Stev> hi
[02:24] <Stev> someone can help me with an ntfs partition?
[02:25] <londondave> hi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?
[02:25] <robin> hello, how do i stop app's from starting on boot that where open when I shut down?
[02:26] <Jucato> robin: close them before you logout
[02:26] <Jucato> or set Session Manager to "Start from an empty session"
[02:26] <livingdaylight> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0131879928/ref=pd_huc_gp_ss_3/202-4770292-9624623
[02:26] <livingdaylight> anyone know which is better ?
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:26] <robin> jucato- where is session manger
[02:27] <|lostbyte|> robin, kcontrol.
[02:27] <Jucato> robin: somewhere in System Settings.
[02:27] <Jucato> sorry I'm  not on Dapper so I can't say where it is exactly
[02:27] <livingdaylight> http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenOffice-Org-X-Dummies-Gurdy-Leete/dp/0764542222/sr=8-1/qid=1161779003/ref=pd_ka_1/202-4770292-9624623?ie=UTF8&s=books
[02:27] <Stev> i cannot access my ntfs partition anymore: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[02:27] <livingdaylight> anyone know which book is better?
[02:28] <londondave> |lostbyte|, I just checked I have the extra codecs installed?
[02:28] <hrp2171> hello
[02:28] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:28] <hrp2171> what is the name of the app to tweak KDE's eye candy? like the panel's popups?
[02:29] <|lostbyte|> robin, System Settings > kde_components > session manager.
[02:29] <londondave> |lostbyte|, I have those as well?
[02:30] <|lostbyte|> londondave, you mean those .flv files right ?
[02:30] <londondave> |lostbyte|, yes flv-I am stumped, mplayer played them ok in dapper
[02:31] <hrp2171> if anyone remembers, KDE has an initial walk-thru config where you can select how much eyecandy you want based on your  cpu and system. where can i find that app?
[02:31] <livingdaylight> looking for a book for open office
[02:31] <Jucato> hrp2171: kpersonalizer
[02:31] <livingdaylight> Which is better the Dummies for open office or...
[02:32] <livingdaylight> Point n Click by ROBIN mILLER
[02:32] <hrp2171> livingdaylight: the best way to learn an office suite is by using it, but if you want some light reading while away from the comp, go with Dummies.
[02:33] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sorry, i am on dapper at the moment.
[02:34] <londondave> |lostbyte|, thanks anyway
[02:34] <hrp2171> funny thing, the last time i received formal training on an office suite was with office 95.
[02:34] <londondave> Is anyone using the sagem fast 800 usb modem in edgy?
[02:34] <hrp2171> afterworth, they all look the same to me
[02:35] <monad> hi, i recently upgraded to dapper and now am experiencing problems with opengl
[02:35] <livingdaylight> hrp2171: no, sorry, it is not a matter of simply wanting some light reading. And NO i do not learn simply by using an application, not one such as openoffice suite, so i want a manual/reference to guide me so i can get more out of the OO.o suite
[02:35] <monad> seems the references in glu.h etc... have changed
[02:36] <Hattori> when i do "sudo ifup eth0" i get: error: temporary failure in name resolution. what could be? dns not set? where to set dns servers?
[02:36] <monad> anyone working with opengl?
[02:36] <GnarusLeo> ok, when I have upgraded to edgy, how do I get firefox 2.0?
[02:36] <londondave> Hattori, /etc/resolve.conf
[02:36] <livingdaylight> Please wait one more day for the full and official release of Edgy
[02:37] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, oh, really .. is it comming out tomorrow?
[02:37] <Hattori> /etc/resolve.conf or /etc/resolv.conf?
[02:37] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: yes...only 24 more hours!
[02:37] <Hattori> i just write "<IP_ADDRESS>" nothing else?
[02:39] <livingdaylight> !edgy
[02:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[02:39] <livingdaylight> !schedule
[02:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[02:39] <londondave> Hattori, resolv.conf: but it is over written at boot, if you are using a router you need to change or check another file-hang on i'll find that one
[02:39] <GnarusLeo> but theres no harm in upgrading today anyways
[02:39] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight,
[02:39] <Hattori> londondave: i still get same error, when i do "ifup eth0" =\
[02:41] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: its your call...Some will tell you no, that they are already using it and its is fine. Others will tell you that it is always best to get the final final full and official release. Personally i can wait 1 more day. Afterall what is wrong with Dapper anyways ;)
[02:41] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:41] <londondave> Hattori, if you are using dhcp with a router you need to change /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:41] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah .. the differenece is that you have to get a couple of more packages tomorrow .. nothing more :)
[02:42] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, Im just eeger to get my hans on firefox 2.0 :)
[02:42] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: can not do so already anyhow?
[02:42] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, maybe, but the easiest way is to just upgrade your distro
[02:43] <Hattori> londondave: i use static
[02:43] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: my experience of upgrading distros is not positive. I find i always need to do a complete and fresh install
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, I have never needed to fresh my install :)
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> breezy - badger - egdy :)
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> dapper*
[02:43] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: backup home dir; fresh install; add backup
[02:44] <londondave> Hattori, at the top of that file add 'prepend domain-name-servers address1, address2;', without the quotes and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:44] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: that is incredible - you have good luck then
[02:44] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:44] <londondave> Hattori, where address 1 & 2 are the dns server addresses of your isp
[02:44] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[02:44] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: well, i'm waiting till tomorrow or even the day after and downloading the official iso and doing a fresh install
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah, its not allways about the luck. Sometimes you got to tweak some to get apt accept all the packages
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> can be a little tricky sometimes
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, maybe thats a good idea anyways :)
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, I have to much crap packages anyways :P
[02:46] <londondave> Hattori, if your using static add the addresses to the top of /etc/resolv.conf and so the network restart
[02:46] <nitro[XL] > i installed new kubuntu rc release .. and ogg work in amarok, but no mp3 .. whats missing ?
[02:46] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: you would do if you'r egoing back to the badger... Time to do a spring clean and start fresh
[02:46] <Jucato> !mp3 | nitro[XL]
[02:46] <ubotu> nitro[XL] : For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:46] <turbojugend> ntroXL, go to the faq in kubuntu.org foolow the music guide
[02:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, I may as well do th same , since after upgrading to edgy yesterday i van no longer boot into it ...startx generates the message ..."cannot find X "...something about settings being at  -1 instead of 0
[02:47] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, how do you backup your home? Just backup all of you /home/user/* ?
[02:47] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: thats what i do. there's prolly a fancier way of doing it, but i don't know
[02:47] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:47] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah, that will work :) Maybe .tar.gz it to save som space :)
[02:47] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: i just burn it to cd
[02:48] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: or dvd if you need it  :p
[02:48] <hrp2171> Jucato: thanks :)
[02:48] <Hattori> londondave: i added the nds server to top of /etc/resolv.conf and ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, but still error.
[02:48] <londondave> Hattori, you need to do the network restart
[02:49] <BluesKaj> Jucato , what command will get me into X other than "statrx" ?
[02:49] <londondave> BluesKaj, did you install kubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <BluesKaj> err startx
[02:49] <Jucato> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" ?
[02:49] <livingdaylight> Can you tell me if either books come reccommended for Open Office - Dummies for Open Office or Robin Miller's Point & Click OpenOffice.org
[02:49] <BluesKaj> ican't boot into edgy
[02:50] <Hattori> londondave: how?
[02:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, if you didn't install kubuntu-desktop you won't have the Xorg packages so you won't have an X to start
[02:50] <robin> I made a mistake and stop the auto upadter from starting on boot, how do i fix?
[02:51] <nitro[XL] > i installed all but w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs wont install
[02:51] <londondave> Hattori, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:51] <BluesKaj> londondave , you are saying that desktop is a seperate install
[02:51] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:52] <Vegeta^> When I use speciel characters in KATE (like , ,  and ect.) the editor doesn't recognize them when I oppen the file later? Is it possible to make it know the characters?
[02:52] <londondave> BluesKaj, yes you have to install Kubuntu-desktop and a python package too
[02:52] <BluesKaj> so what can I do do to boot into edgy ?
[02:53] <londondave> BluesKaj, try in konsole- sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <BluesKaj> can't get to a the konsole, edgy won't boot ...I'm in windows right now
[02:54] <Jucato> londondave: what's the problem?
[02:54] <Hattori> londondave: now i can ping, but when i restarted i still get same error
[02:54] <Jucato> with BluesKaj?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> can't boot into edgy , Jucato
[02:55] <londondave> BluesKaj, use the command prompt infront of you
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: upgraded from Dapper?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: welcome to my world :P
[02:55] <BluesKaj> in windows right now
[02:55] <BluesKaj> P
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: do as londondave said and "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:56] <Jucato> if there are any errors, note them down...
[02:56] <robin>  hello,  I made a mistake and stop the adept auto updater from starting on boot, how do i fix?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> Jucato , I'm not in linux , it won't boot !
[02:56] <londondave> Hattori, type ifconfig
[02:56] <Jucato> or just a hunch.. try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[02:56] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where does it stop in the booting process?
[02:56] <Hattori> londondave: eth0 and lo interfaces listed
[02:57] <BluesKaj> at the startx prompt
[02:57] <Jucato> BluesKaj: so you have a command line? then type in that command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:57] <londondave> Hattori, what does it say in the logs, have a look at ksytemlog viewer
[02:58] <BluesKaj> ok ' i'll reboot and try that
[02:58] <londondave> BluesKaj, you also need to install another python-qt package
[02:59] <Jucato> thank goodness for irssi :P
[02:59] <monad> hi, can anyone tell me how to set up ssh on this machine, so that i can get inside from outside, too, not only the other way around?
[02:59] <Jucato> maybe BluesKaz should learn to use it :)
[02:59] <monad> in gentoo, it works fine by just running /etc/init.d/sshd start, which creates all necessary keys
[03:00] <Hattori> londondave: when i do network restart it says: eth0: lin up, 100 mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x45e1        can't find host ntp.ubuntu.com          no servers can be used, exiting
[03:00] <Hattori> on differnet lines
[03:01] <monad> probably because the network isn'T running yet
[03:01] <londondave> Hattori, ntp is the time server, have you got your isp dns servers in resolv.conf
[03:02] <monad> so... anyone here can tell me about the ssh daemon?
[03:02] <Hattori> londondave: i usually point to router address
[03:02] <robin> auto update notification isnt starting on boot, how do i change that?
[03:02] <Hattori> londondave: i added <IP_ADDRESS> that works on windows installations
[03:04] <londondave> Hattori, I take you have a network, what si the linux box connected to?
[03:04] <RawSewage> can I do this:   I have no Linux installed.  Tomorrow, I put in the old Dapper LiveCD.  Can I install Edgy directly from that over the internet?
[03:04] <Hattori> londondave: to router
[03:04] <londondave> Hattori, do you have a web setup page for the router
[03:04] <monad> raw: yes
[03:05] <RawSewage> monad, cool ty
[03:05] <Hattori> londondave: yes
[03:05] <Hattori> anyway, it always worked.. i just tried to add a dns server different from <IP_ADDRESS> but still same error
[03:06] <londondave> Hattori, ok you need to comment out all lines in /etc/resolv.conf and setup the dns addresses via the router, the router does all the work
[03:07] <Hattori> same error
[03:07] <Hattori> londondave: where can i see an example of /etc/network/interfaces file?
[03:07] <Hattori> maybe something is wrong there
[03:08] <londondave> Hattori, you don't need to worry about that, the router will do the dns-just log into the router and setup the account for your isp and provide the info it needs, read the routers manual
[03:10] <Hattori> londondave: i said you that 3 windows and 1 linux box are already connected to that router
[03:10] <Hattori> and all working fine
[03:11] <marcelo> ???
[03:11] <londondave> Hattori, you didn't mention the windows boxes, just the router, your going to need to read the routers manual, and connect via the windows box that is plugged into the phone line
[03:13] <Hattori> londondave: too bad, in resolv.conf i had to write "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" and not just "<IP_ADDRESS>". as i said, router is just fine
[03:14] <londondave> Hattori, yes you have to put nameserver otherwise it's just a number which means nothing to linux
[03:15] <Hattori> londondave: need the repository list to upgrade to last ubuntu version
[03:15] <londondave> hi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?
[03:15] <londondave> Hattori, what version are you using
[03:16] <Hattori> kubuntu
[03:16] <londondave> Hattori, yes breezy, dapper?
[03:17] <Hattori> how can i find?
[03:18] <hammer> hi!
[03:20] <hammer> how do i download a single package without required dependencies?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> ok, still stuck at start prompt ... sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop , didn't install ..."could not find pkg kubuntu"
[03:21] <hammer> _
[03:21] <londondave> BluesKaj, kubuntu-desktop with a hyphen
[03:22] <Jucato> BluesKaj: err.. yeah... there's a hyphen...
[03:22] <BluesKaj> londondave , it installed kde  ok with that prompt
[03:22] <BluesKaj> it can't find X
[03:23] <Jucato> BluesKaj: most probably, the xserver packages are still held back when you try to dist-upgrade
[03:23] <londondave> BluesKaj, you also need to install python-qt3 and python-kde3 then you should get edgy
[03:23] <larson9999> isn't about time to release?
[03:23] <hammer> how to install package which is not in deb format?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> ok , will try that
[03:24] <hammer> but it should be...
[03:24] <BluesKaj> bbl
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Jucato , i' already have edgy installed , just can't boot into it
[03:25] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I know. that happened to me too
[03:25] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:25] <BluesKaj> brb
[03:25] <Jucato> dang! forgot to tell him about irssi...
[03:35] <londondave> can anyone play flv flash video in edgy?
[03:36] <xsacha> yes i can, amd64 kubuntu edgy rc1 playing flash videos fine
[03:36] <londondave> xsacha, what did use to play the files with
[03:37] <xsacha> i mean inside a browser, i havent tried outside the browser yet
[03:37] <xsacha> .flv?
[03:37] <londondave> xsacha, yes they play in the browser plugin, I mean like mplayer or vlc?
[03:38] <_Shade_> hi there
[03:38] <_Shade_> will my gpu be handled by edgy?
[03:38] <_Shade_> it's radeon 7500
[03:38] <xsacha> mplayer
[03:39] <londondave> xsacha, I tried both and all i get is audio, in dapper mplayer played flv ok?
[03:39] <xsacha> not sure what would be different :S
[03:39] <xsacha> _Shade_: why would your video card matter? it might matter for beryl
[03:39] <xsacha> you want 3d acceleration?
[03:40] <_Shade_> xsacha indeed
[03:40] <xsacha> which drivers? propietry or open source?
[03:41] <_Shade_> xsacha well it would be nice to see beryl in action on that card anyways :)
[03:41] <_Shade_> xsacha it doesn't matter if it would go smooth
[03:41] <xsacha> is it a mobility card?
[03:42] <_Shade_> xsacha what do you mean exactly?
[03:42] <xsacha> two versions, radeon 7500 and radeon mobility 7500 (laptops)
[03:43] <hazard2> hi xsacha
[03:43] <_Shade_> xsacha i suppose it's a non-laptop version since i have a desktop machine
[03:43] <xsacha> apparently a clipping/drawing error for desktop with radeon 7500, but someone reports getting 900 fps (on glxgears) in beryl with that card
[03:43] <xsacha> mobility one has some issues though
[03:44] <hazard2> any idea why my desktop icons might occosonally dissapear?
[03:44] <xsacha> in beryl?
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Jucato , londondave ,  "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"
[03:45] <_Shade_> xsacha so is there a chance to get it work in edgy? I've tried to install the ati software but the x server doesn't start after this trial
[03:45] <xsacha> _Shade_: Here is a video (on youtube) of someone with ubuntu XGL + beryl + gnome on a Radeon mobility 7500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkImJYysEo&search=aiglx%20xgl%20compiz%20beryl
[03:46] <londondave> BluesKaj, was that from a reboot
[03:47] <BluesKaj> that was after installing kubuntu-desktop and python-qt3 and pytho-kde3 ..at the start prompt ,
[03:47] <BluesKaj> yes a reboot
[03:48] <BluesKaj> err python-kde3
[03:48] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??
[03:48] <Jucato> BluesKaj: have you tried doing dist-upgrade again? some things might still be held back. if they are, you could try "sudo aptitude dist-ugprade" this time (that worked for me...)
[03:48] <_Shade_> xsacha could you suggest some good how-to please, because i did not manage to get it work on edgy last time
[03:49] <hazard2> why does it take an eternity for desktop pictures to load?
[03:49] <londondave> BluesKaj, did you install the python packages
[03:49] <xsacha> which method are you using? aiglx or xgl?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> yes londondave , I did
[03:49] <xsacha> for xgl you will need to use much older drivers because the latest fglrx propietry drivers will not support old cards
[03:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, so you installed the two: qt3 and kde3
[03:50] <BluesKaj> yes londondave
[03:50] <hazard2> what is qt3?
[03:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, ok type startx
[03:50] <blackflag> hello all :)
[03:51] <blackflag> I have a problem with kdeprint
[03:51] <BluesKaj> tried that , doesn't  see X
[03:51] <_Shade_> xsacha where can i get these then?
[03:51] <blackflag> kdeprint is loosing my usb printer
[03:51] <Jucato> hazard2: Qt is the toolkit that KDE uses, just like GNOME uses GTK. qt3 is the version used in the KDE 3 series
[03:51] <blackflag> when i do lsusb the printer is there but not in kde print
[03:51] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??
[03:51] <blackflag> can someone help?
[03:51] <BluesKaj> londondave , this is the message i get at startx : "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"
[03:52] <xsacha> _Shade_: xgl method? you'll need to go to ati site and click their link for "older drivers"
[03:52] <Jucato> BluesKaj: some packages might still have been held back...
[03:52] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says
[03:52] <xsacha> _Shade_: or perhaps you will find a deb package for them -- try google
[03:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: btw, there's a command line IRC program you might be interested in. it's installed by default on Ubuntu/Kubuntu. "irssi"
[03:53] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it?? it is simethig like ?????router
[03:53] <ravaria> I don't remember
[03:53] <_Shade_> xsacha ok thanks... and one more thing: i heard that fglrx doesn't support composite. Is it true?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> yes I've used it ...ok I'll communicate thru irssi
[03:53] <BluesKaj> brb
[03:54] <Jucato> londondave: yay. it will be easier for both of you to communicate :)
[03:55] <Das_Ei> ey
[03:55] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:55] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:56] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:56] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:57] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:57] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:57] <xsacha> _Shade_: yes
[03:57] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:57] <B-Minus> ask it 40 more times
[03:57] <Das_Ei> funny thanks
[03:58] <_Shade_> xsacha oh that
[03:58] <_Shade_> s
[03:58] <_Shade_> xsacha oh that's too bad :(
[03:59] <_Shade_> xsacha and there's no way to get it work eh?
[03:59] <hazard2> anyone have any idea why my KDE desktop occosonally decides to hide all the icons?
[04:00] <BluesKaj> londondave: ls-lh/etc/X11/X , "no such file or directory"
[04:01] <hazard2> you need spaces
[04:01] <xsacha> _Shade_: ATI give very very bad driver support, they are real slackers .. all my cards are unfortunately ATI too :(
[04:01] <hazard2> and /etc/X11/X is a file
[04:01] <xsacha> open source drivers are slower but better support
[04:02] <BluesKaj> quit
[04:02] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /
[04:02] <_Shade_> xsacha well i got that card from my friend because i was using nvidia recently... but it was riva tnt2 :)
[04:02] <BluesKaj> I'm in irssi shell, how do i open another one ?
[04:03] <_Shade_> xsacha btw: there's no "older drivers" section on their site
[04:03] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /
[04:03] <xsacha> it should be in the download section of newer drivers, a link for older cards
[04:04] <xsacha> i cant link to it because of their 'leeching' page
[04:05] <xsacha> argh their site seems to have changed recently.. all this amd stuff, links are broken everywhere
[04:06] <_Shade_> xsacha i can't find it there neither - there's no any link to an older ones
[04:06] <xsacha> _Shade_: go to the link for radeon 8500+ drivers and it will have a link for older cards that aren tsupported
[04:06] <xsacha> on the download page
[04:06] <office2> hello :)
[04:07] <xsacha> _Shade_: "As of driver version 8.29.6 support for the following products is no longer included:" .... "Users with these products should use driver version 8.28.8"[link here!]
[04:08] <xsacha> _Shade_: then on the right hand side it will have link to other 'related' drivers, click on the oldest one.. i think this one supports your card?
[04:09] <xsacha> sorry, your card isnt on support list :( have to try google then :(
[04:09] <_Shade_> xsacha ah i haven't clicked the last link because i thought it is a direct download url, sorry :)
[04:10] <xsacha> _Shade_: ATI site links to: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ :(
[04:13] <_Shade_> xsacha so i can't download the proper driver?
[04:13] <xsacha> those drivers come with edgy, _Shade_.. if you choose to use the open source drivers -- check if they give you 3d acceleration
[04:13] <xsacha> seems you cant
[04:14] <Das_Ei> how can i track the connection?
[04:14] <Das_Ei> a connection may i say
[04:14] <_Shade_> xsacha well maybe it's somewhere else on the net...
[04:15] <xsacha> apparently they never made 3d drivers for that card?
[04:16] <xsacha> although, the open source drivers seem to work very well on that card
[04:16] <toke> Here I am again !
[04:17] <toke> I have a question: I try to open /home/toke/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Steam in console
[04:17] <_Shade_> xsacha but i can't run xgl on it?
[04:17] <toke> but because of the space between Program and Files, it gives an error that the folder doesnt exists
[04:17] <_Shade_> xsacha i mean the open drivers
[04:17] <xsacha> well there was a video on youtube of someone with it, so yeah you should be able to
[04:18] <Jucato> toke: try Tab completion... type in Program, the press Tab
[04:18] <Jucato> very handy in Konsole
[04:19] <toke> thank you very much.. that's the thing i needed :D I need to fill in /Program\ Files/
[04:19] <_Shade_> xsacha well does it matter to bother with the proprietary drivers then ? :)
[04:20] <xsacha> naah dont bother with them
[04:20] <_Shade_> xsacha can you point any good info about how to set them up?
[04:21] <xsacha> there's 1000s of howtos now :P im sure there is one specific to your card too, check google
[04:21] <_Shade_> all i know is the "proprietary" howto :)
[04:21] <xsacha> also, join the #beryl channel
[04:22] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[04:25] <_Shade_> xsacha i have one more idea... i could use a script like easyubuntu/automatix or stuff... i'm not sure if they work though
[04:25] <dinosaur-rus> I'm confused - when ordered CDs arrived, I saw " 5.00" in "Total waarde" column... :S
[04:26] <Conhe> how-to runnig aplication in cobol ?
[04:26] <Conhe> how-to runnig aplication maked  cobol ?
[04:26] <xsacha> _Shade_: thing is, they never *ever* made a driver for it.. only option is open source
[04:27] <_Shade_> ah i c
[04:27] <monad> hi, since upgrading to dapper, i'm having trouble compiling opengl programs, i get f.e. freeglut Unable to create direct context rendering for window
[04:30] <_Shade_> xsacha http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide the first position there... is it an 'open' way ?
[04:30] <monad> seems it's looking for gl.h which doesn't seem to exist
[04:31] <xsacha> both are closed way _Shade_
[04:31] <_Shade_> dang
[04:31] <jende> Jucato: Hey, my friend have you ever experienced that once you're booting the DD Live CD that everything works fine until DD wants to set up the desktop?
[04:32] <xsacha> if they mention fglrx, it's closed.. that's ati's driver and doesnt work with your card
[04:32] <Jucato> jende: nope... they worked fine for me
[04:32] <jende> Jucato: damn it...just trying to set up a DD for my boy on a P3 and it just wont
[04:33] <Jucato> jende: but that CD worked perfectly before?
[04:33] <BluesKaj> hiyas jende
[04:33] <xdemon> when edgy release?
[04:33] <jende> Jucato: havent tested it - will test it quickly here on my notebook, will be back shortly
[04:34] <londondave> can anyone play flv flash video in edgy?
[04:34] <Jucato> xdemon: Oct 26
[04:34] <jende> xdemon: tomorrow
[04:34] <Jucato> jende: sure thing
[04:34] <_Shade_> xsacha maybe i should just re-install my kubuntu os and there would be the drivers fron scratch?
[04:34] <xdemon> oh... i download RC
[04:35] <dinosaur-rus> is there any way to detect what Kubuntu version (Knot 1, Knot 2, RC, etc.) is installed?
[04:35] <londondave> Dink,
[04:35] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[04:36] <scheuri> hi all
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: thx
[04:36] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: it will tell you if you're Dapper or Edgy only, though
[04:36] <xsacha> _Shade_: i guess.. you could then just install beryl and type in "beryl" and it'd just work.. just che: glxinfo | grep direct
[04:36] <londondave> dinosaur-rus, kcontrol normally shows what you a running
[04:36] <BluesKaj> here's what I got from the ls -lh /etcX11/X command, londondave : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-10-24 19:00 /etc/X11/X -> /bin/true
[04:36] <Jucato> londondave: not the distribution, though
[04:36] <xsacha> oh and get emerald as well for the window decorations
[04:36] <londondave> Jucato, yes just checked only the kernel
[04:37] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: do betas, RCs and final versions differ in packages versions only?
[04:37] <_Shade_> xsacha ok i will... thanks for your patience pal :)
[04:37] <londondave> BluesKaj, then X is not installed
[04:37] <xsacha> _Shade_: if you get any problems getting beryl to work straight off, come in #beryl and we'll work thru it :)
[04:37] <BluesKaj> ok londondave , what's next ?
[04:38] <xsacha> it's still alpha and may have a few problems but most can be fixed
[04:38] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: Edgy betas and RC's will still be Edgy. they sometimes differ in package versions, sometimes not. the Beta/RC are just sort of timeline stops...
[04:38] <_Shade_> xsacha ok thanks mate
[04:38] <ohmbr> how do i change a icon of a sh file?
[04:38] <londondave> BluesKaj, its should have installed X when you installed kubuntu-desktop I will check
[04:39] <_Shade_> take care y'all
[04:39] <BluesKaj> how do i open another shell in irssi without the GUI ?
[04:40] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: thx again
[04:42] <BluesKaj> or how do i get back to the start prompt without leaving the chat ?
[04:43] <reon> How do I restore Edgy to it's original state after I have played around with it's appearance
[04:43] <Jucato> reon: most drastic one: delete the ~/.kde directory
[04:44] <londondave> BluesKaj, install xorg and see what it wants to install-hopefully it will install the lot
[04:44] <Jucato> but this will also remove some data from apps, like cookies,  mails, bookmarks, etc
[04:44] <Jucato> BluesKaj: open another terminal, press Ctrl+Alt+F2
[04:44] <jende> Jucato: weird, works fine on both NB's
[04:44] <CVirus> Jucato: I wouldnt recommend that .... mv ~/.kde ~/.oldkde .... he might have E-mails or important things there .. you never know
[04:44] <reon> Jucato: I suppose upon restart it will be restored to it's correct state ?
[04:44] <BluesKaj> ok , londondave , how do i stay in irssi and still run from the prompt ?
[04:45] <Jucato> CVirus: heh that's why I said it was "drastic"
[04:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: Ctrl+Alt+F2 will give you another tty
[04:45] <reon> BluesKaj, it's ok as it's a fresh install, I only have a few konq bookmarks
[04:45] <CVirus> Jucato: didnt notice that