[13:37]  * mnemoc is using ATI (Radeon Mobility X1400) with the open source radeon driver and works like a charm
[13:37] <krokodilerian> otherwise if there were modes, it tended to bad thigs...
[13:38] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: same here, regenerating a default xorg.conf gave me the resolution I wanted
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> ok
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> hello
[13:38] <aLeSD_____> I have the log of NetworkManager
[13:39] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , btw, are you using compiz/ibex?
[13:39] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: yes
[13:39] <redwhitewaldo> hi, folks. i can't submit a bug report for "skype" under ubunu ditrubution. it says "There is no package name 'skype' published in Ubuntu"
[13:39] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: but only for transparencies
[13:39] <mnemoc> redwhitewaldo: skype is not free software
[13:39] <Owe1> what is the encryption strength of the private folder in ll
[13:39] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , so ok, when you load something big in firefox, does everythin stop for a while and the X server go to 100% CPU, or that has never happened with you?
[13:39] <redwhitewaldo> mnemoc: yes, but i would like to submit a bug to ubuntu team
[13:39] <BluesKaj> mnemoc: well, that site doesn't apply to 8.10RC , if you wanna take alook
[13:40] <aLeSD_____> nemo: http://pastebin.com/m1a3d77bc
[13:40] <aLeSD_____> what do u think ?
[13:40] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: I have similar issues, but I blame flash
[13:40] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, you can't file a bug report for a software which can't be included on the repositories
[13:40] <nemo> aLeSD_____: no clue
[13:40] <nemo> sorry
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> nemo do u know whois working on NetworkManager ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , if you feel like it, can you run 'vmstat 1' in a window, and try to open http://swamp.ludost.net ? it's plain html, but a lot of it
[13:41] <mnemoc> BluesKaj: I doubt there are nvidia proprietary drivers for xorg 7.4 yet
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> or where I can find who is working on it
[13:41] <aLeSD_____> ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> when I do that, even the fucking clock freezes
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: anything in dmesg ?
[13:41] <krokodilerian> i want to know if it's an nvidia issue or compiz's fault...
[13:41] <redwhitewaldo> so what can i do if i think i've found a bug with skype's relationship with ubuntu?
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: nope.  file a bug I guess
[13:41] <nemo> aLeSD_____: and I suppose search for other people with similar errors.
[13:42] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , probably talk to skype
[13:42] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: I see nothing special when openning it
[13:43] <aLeSD_____> nemo: the debug in dmesg it's the same more or less
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> krokodilerian: ok. i've sent them a ticket
[13:43] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , did the 'us' column change ? to something bigger, e.g. some 20-30% more
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> maybe i should downgrade back to 8.04
[13:43] <redwhitewaldo> i think 8.10 is heavier, anyway.
[13:44] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , but well, if you terminal didn't stop updating for a few seconds, then the issue might really be with the nvidia crap
[13:45] <mnemoc> krokodilerian: no stop, but I have two cores
[13:46] <krokodilerian> mnemoc , me too,the problem is that the X server gets the maximum on one core to process something and stops responding
[13:46] <redwhitewaldo> if i install a package that is "static", does that mean that the program is more likely to work? what does "static" mean? Is it preferred to get static packages?
[13:47] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , it means that it doesn't use external libraries. it will be bigger, will probably look different (if it's something GUI related) and is not generally recommended
[13:47] <mnemoc> redwhitewaldo: static means it's not dynamic
[13:47] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, it means it was statically linked, it does not depend on the OS libraries, the libraries code was included on the  binary
[13:47] <krokodilerian> but if nothing else works, this is an option...
[13:47] <joaopinto> skype is working fine on me, with the regular (dynamic) .deb package
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> joaopinto: then why did skype stop working for me when i moved from 8.04 to 8.10. Boohoo.
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> 8-(
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> this is sad.
[13:48] <redwhitewaldo> i need skype for making regular calls
[13:49] <joaopinto> well, try the static version
[13:49] <redwhitewaldo> where's the static skype for ibex?
[13:50] <krokodilerian> redwhitewaldo , the static version should be the same for all linux distributions
[13:50] <joaopinto> redwhitewaldo, static builds are not distro specific, they are generic, you only have one static version to download
[13:50] <nemo> joaopinto: wellll
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: they have a copy on their site
[13:50] <nemo> even the static build has *some* external dependancies.
[13:50] <nemo> I think
[13:51] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: on whose site? skype?
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> but there is an apt on the medibuntu reps
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> that offers a 64 bit version
[13:51] <redwhitewaldo> i need 32 bit version, because i'm running 32 bit ubuntu 8.10
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> why don't you use medibuntu reps?
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.medibuntu.org/
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype.html
[13:52] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, why should he violate copyright for something he can get from the site :P ?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype-static.html
[13:52] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: ty!
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> because this one keeps uptodate
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> why is it a violation ???
[13:52] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, because the skype license does not allow distribution by 3rd parties :) ?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: o gouky andava a tras de ti no #ubuntu-pt
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> then I don't know
[13:53] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: i have installed that deb already. i'm looking for STATIC skype
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> but its there and its working fine
[13:53] <joaopinto> the .deb from the site is working fine also here, just not for redwhitewaldo :P
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/intrepid/skype-static.html
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> STATIC version !!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[13:54] <_Enchained> hi all
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: thank you!!! 8-)
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> should i just dbl click the i386? shouldn't i get the deb via apt or terminal?
[13:54] <_Enchained> I'd like to install vlc < 0.9.x
[13:54] <redwhitewaldo> or is it the same?
[13:55] <_Enchained> How can I do this ?
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> I keep having a hard time finding the 64bits version of skype on the official website
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> no redwhitewaldo
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> you better install the mediabuntu repos
[13:55] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: yes, i'm installing http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/s/skype/skype-static_<IP_ADDRESS>-0medibuntu4_i386.deb
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: which version are you using of Ubuntu?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> no redwhitewaldo
[13:56] <lubosz> my suspend icon is not avalable in the "Shut down the computer" menu from gnome panel. i have ubuntu studio icon theme. is this normal?
[13:56] <_Enchained> interpid BUGabundo_work
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: no what?
[13:56] <_Enchained> In interpid, there is vlc 0.9.4
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> huh? isn't http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/s/skype/skype-static_<IP_ADDRESS>-0medibuntu4_i386.deb MEDIBUNTU stuff?
[13:56] <_Enchained> and I want to "downgrade" it to 0.8.6
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: and why do you want an older version?
[13:56] <redwhitewaldo> i'm confused?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> please see how to had the repos
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: and why do you want an older version?
[13:57] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: i've already added the medibuntu repo
[13:57] <redwhitewaldo> and the gpg key
[13:57] <_Enchained> Because I use a software for watching movies and listening music on my TV and it's not campatible with VLC 0.9.x
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install skype
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work:  i already installed skype and it's not working for me. that's why i'm wanting to try skype-static.
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: then you need to file a bug on LP and also talk to VLC developers
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> redwhitewaldo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install skype-static then !!!! lol
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> BUGabundo_work: ok.
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> thanks. i'm a newbie
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> computers = aagh
[13:58] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[13:58] <_Enchained> In fact, it's the other software I use developpers I should contact..
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> _Enchained: its going to be hard to use older version
[13:59] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, the problem seems to be with the software he is using, not with VLC
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> I see
[13:59] <_Enchained> There are a lot of changes inside VLC beetween 0.8.6 and 0.9.4
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> ok talk to them then
[13:59] <BUGabundo_work> I guess you can get an older deb and "fix" for now
[14:00] <joaopinto> that is likely to break your system
[14:00] <joaopinto> because vlc provides libraries used by other multimedia apps
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> humm not for VLC
[14:00] <joaopinto> are you sure :P ?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> AFK
[14:00] <_Enchained> I try to compil older version but there are a lot of dependencies for configure...
[14:00]  * BUGabundo_work same MOTO always: backup backup backup backup backup backup backup
[14:01] <myk_robinson> hey guys. New to Gnome, what application do you use to rip CDs?
[14:01] <nemo> myk_robinson: soundjuicer seems popular
[14:01]  * nemo doesn't do much ripping
[14:01] <redwhitewaldo> one day, one day., i hope ubuntu will be userfriendly and bugfree.
[14:01] <_Enchained> myk_robinson: audio CD to mp3 for example ?
[14:01] <redwhitewaldo> and easy for my grandma to use. 8-)
[14:01] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: I think for any OS to achieve that goal you have to strictly control all inputs, all outputs and offer a tiny set of functionality
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> nemo: i guess you're right.
[14:02] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: mobile phones or mini PCs are probably your best bet
[14:02] <myk_robinson> _Enchained: yes
[14:02] <nemo> redwhitewaldo: even OSX which controls the HW is not userfriendly and bug free
[14:02] <_Enchained> myk_robinson: sound-juicer
[14:02] <nemo> I should know :(
[14:02] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[14:02] <myk_robinson> thank you.
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> nemo:  i have an eeepc.... i put debianneeepc on it
[14:02] <antoranz> Look, I want compiz to use a random effect for minimization of windows
[14:02] <myk_robinson> looks like that is not installed by default
[14:02] <_Enchained> and install lame for mp3 support (by feault it extract to ogg format)
[14:02] <antoranz> but it doesn't work
[14:02] <myk_robinson> will apt-get
[14:02] <nemo> antoranz: WFM
[14:02] <redwhitewaldo> and my mic on that is not working (for now).
[14:02] <_Enchained> by default*
[14:03] <antoranz> nemo, what's that?
[14:03] <redwhitewaldo> antoranz: Wednesday Friday Monday. 8-)
[14:03] <nemo> antoranz: Works For Me :-p
[14:03] <myk_robinson> my usual topic... anyone having luck with Intel 3945abg?
[14:04] <_Enchained> sound-juicer was installed OTB in prvious Ubuntu. Why they removed it ? :/
[14:04] <antoranz> well... that relieves me a whole lot. :-P
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: well, did you set it up correctly?
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: CCSM->Animations->Minimise Effect
[14:04] <redwhitewaldo> i've just installed skype-static from medibuntu repo. now when i type skype-static, terminal says "command not found."
[14:04] <nemo> antoranz: then set it to random, and check off the ones you want in the pool
[14:05] <antoranz> sure...  Good news skype-static now loads up in my ubuntu 8.10. Yahoo!!!
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> thanks folks
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> i usually use non-static files, but i  won't complain with a working static package!
[14:06] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[14:07] <redwhitewaldo> now i don't need to downgrade back to 8.04
[14:08] <graingert> myk_robinson: my wireless card works fine
[14:08] <graingert> myk_robinson: same with my freinds
[14:09] <myk_robinson> graingert: been having issues with mine dropping the connection and making the touchpad lose sync for a few seconds
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: !
[14:09] <myk_robinson> i have installed the Intel drivers and get random results
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: my touchpad loses sync....
[14:09] <graingert> myk_robinson: I just thought it was carp
[14:09] <myk_robinson> using my USB Belkin, i have no issues at all
[14:09] <myk_robinson> no, if you connect by another means and rmmod iwl3945, the touchpadsync issue stops.
[14:10] <myk_robinson> i ordered an Atheros 5007 mini pcie to install in my laptop, tired of fighting and using a 3 inch long USB stick
[14:10] <graingert> myk_robinson: strange it doesn't happen often...
[14:10] <graingert> myk_robinson: it happens all the time if I plug it into a certian power socket at college!
[14:11] <myk_robinson> graingert: you are probably dropping connection too, it usually reconnects, though, and it is a silent drop. NM never shows the connection is lost, just seems like the connection is really slow all of a sudden, then kicks back in. dmesg shows it dropped, tough
[14:11] <myk_robinson> like a firmware error of some sort, follwed by an error about mouse losing sync
[14:11] <evan_> hey is my video cardbroken?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/63625/ see Screen 1
[14:12] <graingert> myk_robinson: my network seems fine though....
[14:12] <graingert> myk_robinson: never drops or goes slow (unless I torrent hehe)
[14:13] <myk_robinson> hmm
[14:13] <myk_robinson> lucky you :)  Seems that there are a lot of random results with that chip. Lots of people report issues, but lots of people report none
[14:14] <myk_robinson> been working with a dev at Intel and another at Redhat to resolve some issues but each daily build of the driver seems to produce a new issue
[14:14] <myk_robinson> todays build would not even allow me to connect at all. Funny thing is, it was working fine in Hardy with the compat-wireless driver
[14:14] <victim[v]> thanks for your help with fixing the resolution problems with a Nvidia FX5200 and a fresh install of 8.10 RC. I did "sudo nvidia-xconfig" at the terminal and then restarted the PC, which gave me a resolution of 1280 by 1024, I found this out with Nvidia X Server settings. BUT, when I opened System Settings and clicked on the Display icon, the screen immediately changed to 640 by 480.
[14:15] <myk_robinson> my Atheros should be in today, though :)
[14:16] <victim[v]> I can select 1024 by 768 in the drop down, but when I restart it is 640 by 480 again
[14:19] <amortvigil> hey is my video card broken?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/63625/ see Screen 1...
[14:32] <redwhitewaldo> to those who have skype installed, can you post a screenshot of your main skype window, please? i want to see how my static-skype compares
[14:34] <danbh_intrepid> redwhitewaldo: well, Ive had both installed at different times.  They look the same IIRC
[14:34] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: ok.
[14:35] <WelshDragon> Isn't that because they are the same? :s
[14:36] <nemo> WelshDragon: welll, theoretically they'd be using different versions of Qt
[14:36] <nemo> WelshDragon: I could envision some interface differences
[14:36] <nemo> even if the function hooks stayed the same
[14:36] <WelshDragon> ah ok
[14:36] <nemo> s/interface/user interface/
[14:37] <bsnider> my every effort to print anything is failing miserably
[14:39] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: does your     skype look  this: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4861/screenshotmmmmskypeox2.png ?
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> redwhitewaldo: Im running the skype-static-oss
[14:40] <redwhitewaldo> danbh_intrepid: from medibuntu?
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> yeah
[14:40] <redwhitewaldo> ok. me too
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> so, I think we are running hte same thing
[14:41] <danbh_intrepid> and yes, it looks just like that
[14:41] <supermaku> anyone have problems with ibex and nvidia graphics card?  I was running ubuntu 8.04 on my laptop with a nvidia geoforce 400 and it was using the nvidia proprietary drivers, but now that I've upgraded to ibex, it's not looking for or using them anymore.  My resolution is fine on my laptop, but when I plugin an external LCD projector the screen is all garbled with little boxes. Anyone seen this?
[14:42] <danbh_intrepid> supermaku: see /topic
[14:42] <BluesKaj> supermaku:  there's very few nvidia cards supported in 8.10 ibex
[14:44] <BUGabundo_work> !topic
[14:44] <supermaku> blueskaj: yeah. I manually installed nvidia settings and my resolution locally on my laptop was not high at all, so I dropped those packages and went back to the default 8.10.  THe laptop screen resolution is perfect, just no lcd function.  The lcd projects my bios, the ubuntu loading logo, but once it actually kicks in to the user login it is unreadable, like a bunch of ASCII flourescent characters all over the screen.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> supermaku:  that's cuz the X window isn't loading properly into your video output
[14:56] <supermaku> yeah, i'm hoping some will be fixed after the 30th.
[14:59] <chad> Has anyone been able to get VPN working from network-manager ?
[14:59] <BUGabundo_work> nope chad
[15:00] <BUGabundo_work> let me get you the LP id for it
[15:00] <chad> BUGabundo_work: so its everyone then ?
[15:00] <chad> thank you
[15:03] <graingert> will the ibex gdm include a composited face browser?
[15:03] <graingert> or where can I find out if it will
[15:03] <czajkowski> how are people finding the new release?
[15:04] <graingert> I found it at ttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc czajkowski
[15:05] <czajkowski> graingert: sorry, I meant, how are you finding the new release, nice? things work ?
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: I know :-p
[15:05] <vbabiy> hey does any one have issues with notification icons using Nvidia 177
[15:05] <czajkowski> any problems, big things to overcome to get it to just work
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: try in a virtualbox vm
[15:05] <graingert> czajkowski: to see if you like it
[15:06] <graingert> czajkowski: otherwise seems fine
[15:06] <graingert> czajkowski: or try a liveseedy
[15:06] <czajkowski> graingert: I'll upgrade tonight
[15:06] <czajkowski> just wondered
[15:07] <graingert> czajkowski: wait till the 30th
[15:07] <czajkowski> graingert: well I'm hosting a release party then so want to have things set up for then
[15:09] <BUGabundo_work> chad sorry for the delay: bug 259168
[15:09] <graingert> czajkowski: k00l
[15:10] <czajkowski> graingert: yup, should be fun
[15:10] <BUGabundo_work> czajkowski: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904 ?
[15:12] <czajkowski> BUGabundo_work: oh joy and I just installed compiz and it's soo pretty
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: hey sorry about that my network connection is sometimes flakey in 8.10
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: did you happen to find the lp site ?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> what do you mean?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> I did, and I told you
[15:13] <BUGabundo_work> "chad sorry for the delay: bug 259168"
[15:13] <ArShAm> hi all
[15:13] <chad> BUGabundo_work: no .. sorry i got dc there
[15:14] <chad> BUGabundo_work: np thanks
[15:14] <ArShAm> I am the one who had problems after upgrading to intrepid from alternate CD
[15:14] <ArShAm> I cam to inform you the problem was the nvidia driver
[15:16] <zniavre> !Ooo
[15:17] <Cypher> All righty... I just got Intrepid Ibex last night on my i386, and when I used eNVy to get a driver for my NVidia Geforce, it seems to have broken X11.Anyone else had this happen?
[15:18] <ArShAm> Cypher, I have had it and solved it
[15:18] <ArShAm> wait I'm on the phne
[15:18] <ArShAm> phone*
[15:19] <Cypher> ArShAm: I can wait. =P Nice to know someone knows how to do this stuff though.
[15:19] <darkphader> how to use aptitude to install a package w/o it's dependencies ??
[15:19] <ArShAm> ok
[15:19] <joaopinto> darkphader, you can't install a package w/o it's dependencies, that would give you a broken install
[15:19] <ArShAm> Cypher, I just solved it
[15:19] <darkphader> joaopinto: not really
[15:19] <ArShAm> you need the kernel restricted modules to be installed
[15:19] <dug_> darkphader: maybe try -f for force
[15:20] <Cypher> Kernel restriccted modules... lemme get a piece of paper
[15:20] <darkphader> i think force just eliminates prompts
[15:20] <ArShAm> and install nvidia-177-modalias package
[15:20] <Daekdroom> How to make udev do not modprobe a module? blacklisting it didn't work.
[15:20] <dug_> darkphader: see this thread if it helps, i didn't read all the way thru it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127174
[15:20] <ArShAm> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:20] <Cypher> Back
[15:20] <joaopinto> darkphader, what are you trying to install ?
[15:21] <Cypher> ... phone
[15:21] <Cypher> Wow
[15:21] <ArShAm> why wow?
[15:21] <darkphader> i want to instal tftpd-hpa and the pacake manager wantes to install xinetd with it
[15:21] <darkphader> it can use xinetd
[15:21] <darkphader> but it can also run on it's own
[15:21] <darkphader> as i've done it on many systems
[15:22] <ed0n0n> i have ubuntu 8.10 and when moving (drag & drop) files with nautilus, it closes the nautilus window and after opens users home dir. Same happens since upgrade in another computer. Do you know why this happens?
[15:22] <Cypher> Ok
[15:22] <Cypher> ArShAm, what's the commands I do again?
[15:23] <joaopinto> darkphader, you can use equivs
[15:23] <ArShAm> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[15:24] <Cypher> K...
[15:24] <ArShAm> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[15:24] <joaopinto> darkphader, sudo apt-get install equivs
[15:24] <ArShAm> and
[15:24] <fiXXXerMet> how can I upgrade my ubuntu 8.04.1 server install to 8.10?  I don't have / want X installed, so update-manager won't do
[15:24] <ArShAm> then : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:24] <Daekdroom> fiXXXerMet: use update-manager-core package
[15:24] <ArShAm> that will flush your X configuration file
[15:24] <darkphader> equivs has a ton of deps!!
[15:25] <Cypher> Ok then
[15:25] <joaopinto> darkphader, equivs allows to "fake" dependencies
[15:25] <Cypher> Thankee sir!
[15:25] <darkphader> even exim !!
[15:25] <ArShAm> apt-get install nvidia-177-modaliases
[15:25] <darkphader> absurd
[15:25] <fiXXXerMet> Daekdroom: How do I use it?  That package is already installed.
[15:26] <joaopinto> fiXXXerMet, you have the "do-release-upgrade" which is the command line equivalent
[15:26] <fiXXXerMet> oh, I see
[15:26] <darkphader> there was something else i ran across with the exim dep that was totally unnecessary
[15:27] <fiXXXerMet> joaopinto: Seems to be working.  Thank you.
[15:31] <nemo> anyone here have any idea why like half or two-thirds of my icon themes no longer seem to work properly?
[15:31] <nemo> they all seem to no longer render folder icons
[15:31] <nemo> other icons, curiously, work fine
[15:32] <nemo> For example. Dropline Neu! works, Dropline Neu and Dropline Nuovo, don't.
[15:34] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, how can I upgrade my installation (hardy heron) to intrepid from cdrom ?
[15:35] <Alcapond> Hi - I just graded up to kubuntu 8.10 rc (from 8.4, KDE4) - now I lost most of my icons (just stupid icons are shown at most places), and my kontact only has old mails, and looks very kde3ish... Any help on these issues?
[15:37] <nemo> jaysonsantos: you doing it from CDROM to save network bandwidth?
[15:37] <nemo> jaysonsantos: you have a slow connection?
[15:37] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Yes
[15:37] <nemo> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#head-7311a7de9fdf1ca310c6937460c0a9d33f54279d
[15:38] <jaysonsantos> nemo, The problem is: I can't find that cdromupgrade in cdrom root
[15:38] <nemo> hm. I don't have an 8.10 image
[15:38]  * nemo checks his 8.04 image
[15:40] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Here iso contents http://pastebin.com/m76811fef
[15:40] <nemo> oh. of course
[15:40] <nemo> hm. or not.
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: those upgrade instructions are a little ambiguous
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: from the path though, it implies to me you boot off of the upgrade CD
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: I think /cdrom is a path you get when you're booted off the CD
[15:41] <nemo> jaysonsantos: now *why* it doesn't say that in step 2....
[15:42]  * nemo boots off his 8.04 image to check (yay virtualbox)
[15:43] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Do I need boot from cdrom ? That instructions says I only need put cdrom on my drive
[15:43] <nemo> I think so
[15:43] <nemo> and I agree. they are ambiguous
[15:44] <jaysonsantos> nemo, Ok thank you, i will try that.
[15:45] <petererer> hmm, i wonder if amsynth works now
[15:45] <Daekdroom> How to make udev do not modprobe a module? blacklisting it on modprobe didn't work.
[15:45] <nemo> Daekdroom: um. you were here a couple of days ago weren't you?
[15:45] <nemo> Daekdroom: and didn't you discover you had a typo in your blacklist?
[15:45] <Daekdroom> Yes
[15:45] <nemo> like, _ vs - ?
[15:46] <Daekdroom> I didn't. Apparently someone typo'd on launchpad.
[15:46] <evan_> hey does nv driver work with geforce 8200? and does this still work with radeon: "xmodule=fbdev"  ??
[15:46] <Daekdroom> Anyway. To make sure, I blacklisted with - and with _, it didn't work
[15:46] <evan_> if not, is there any way? or driver in wich i can get them to work?
[15:47] <nemo> Daekdroom: wonder if alsa is loading the module
[15:48] <Daekdroom> nemo: Well. The boot hangs at udev. Not sure how it works
[15:48] <Daekdroom> But it just came in my mind that I should see if udev has a blacklist itself.
[15:49] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps
[15:49] <nemo> Daekdroom: looks like udev does do a modprobe
[15:49] <nemo> Daekdroom: but, if it does that for one on the blacklist, surely you should be ok
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Of course it does.
[15:50] <Daekdroom> If it didn't, I'dnt get a modprobe traceback xD
[15:50] <Daekdroom> Well.
[15:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: heh. I only have a passing familiarity with udev - for all I knew, the probing occurred earlier :)
[15:50] <nemo> Daekdroom: looks like the modprobe manpage is pretty explicit
[15:50] <nemo>        -b --use-blacklist
[15:50] <nemo>                  This option causes modprobe to apply the  blacklist  commands
[15:50] <nemo>                  in  the  configuration file (if any) to module names as well.
[15:50] <nemo>                  It is usually used by udev(7).
[15:51] <nemo> sorry. 4 lines is a little excessive
[15:51] <Daekdroom> I'm not very sure it was that module. Could have been another. modprobe crashes, I get a few more outputs about saa7134 and then boot hangs.
[15:51] <nemo> Daekdroom: interesting, I see no evidence of a reference to -b anything in the udev rules
[15:52] <nemo> oh. there is a -b
[15:53] <nemo> Daekdroom: alrighty. should all work fine then :)
[15:53] <nemo> Daekdroom: say, do you have an /etc/modprobe.conf ?
[15:53] <Daekdroom> No
[15:53] <Daekdroom> I have an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklits
[15:53] <Daekdroom> *blacklist
[15:53] <nemo> ah. good, 'cause modprobe said it would use that preferentially over the .d
[15:53] <nemo> which would be bad
[15:55] <Daekdroom> The worst is that I'm getting used to Vista again :/
[15:56] <nemo> heh
[15:56] <nemo> never had vista to get used to
[15:56] <nemo> don't plan to either
[15:56] <Daekdroom> It's not that bad. It's just.. a little heavy.
[15:56] <nemo> Daekdroom: if you say so, I've performed 3 Vista to XP upgrades for friends though
[15:56] <nemo> at their request
[15:57] <nemo> I always made it an XP/Ubuntu machine
[15:57] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing to kubuntu 8.10 my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps (before I had 8.4 / KDE4 remix)
[16:02] <frybye>  Hi - in connection with the crossover free download today - one gets a "install-crossover*.sh" shell script - what do i need to do with it...??
[16:02] <bazhang> frybye, chmod +x filename.sh
[16:03] <bazhang> then sudo -i ./filename.sh
[16:03] <frybye> and what then please??
[16:03] <frybye> ok - thanks...
[16:04] <graingert> crossover is free?
[16:05] <dulak> today only
[16:05] <bazhang> yup
[16:05] <bazhang> today only: lame duck special
[16:05] <graingert> lame duck?
[16:05] <frybye> it says:-  -bash: ./install-crossover-pro-7.1.0.sh: No such file or directory
[16:05] <mnemoc> graingert: bush :p
[16:06] <bazhang> frybye, you need to get to the desktop after sudo -i
[16:06] <frybye> i am already at the desktop...#
[16:06] <bazhang> try ls
[16:06] <graingert> what did bush do?
[16:06] <nemo> Daekdroom: anyway, why not just stay on Hardy until this issue is resolved?
[16:07] <darkphader> joaopinto: -R solved my problem - appears the xinetd wasn't a hard dep
[16:07] <mnemoc> graingert: the answer to that is way too Off Topic
[16:07] <Daekdroom> nemo: Too lazy to reinstall 8.04, get my USB modem working and set it up fine all again.
[16:07] <graingert> mnemoc: sorry I am a uker, so I don't know
[16:07] <frybye> right I do ls and the file is listed.. in green print in fact...
[16:08] <graingert> mnemoc: url me to the news?
[16:08] <mnemoc> graingert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lame_duck_(politics)
[16:08] <frybye> bazhang: so what am i doing wrong pal???
[16:09] <mnemoc> graingert: http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/
[16:10] <bazhang> frybye, from that message you either are not in the right directory or you dont have the name correctly
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: you know, there's one easy way to do a blacklist
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: erase the damn module :D
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: and any that have that evil string in it
[16:10] <bazhang> frybye, I suspect the former
[16:10] <eternal_p> good for them, btw (crossover)
[16:10] <nemo> Daekdroom: or move 'em to some disabled directory
[16:11] <frybye> bazhang: don't get me wrong now - but isn't ./filename.. to run a p r o g r a m m e not a script or..
[16:11] <Daekdroom> nemo: Erase the module? Checked. Anything that has the evil string in it. Unchecked. Make sure to do that everytime I upadte a kernel, impossible >.>
[16:11] <bazhang> frybye, did you chmod +x it?
[16:11] <frybye> I am at tilde/Desktop
[16:11] <mnemoc> frybye: that script includes an encoded copy of the tarball to be installed
[16:11] <frybye> yes...
[16:11] <nemo> Daekdroom: meh. doing it everytime you update kernel isn't that horrible. would be a oneline shell script
[16:11] <nemo> Daekdroom: would be interesting to see if that solves things though
[16:11] <frybye> I suspect that that is indicated by it being green or..?
[16:11] <nemo> if it doesn't, you know your problem lies elsewhere
[16:12] <Daekdroom> nemo: I'm not sure I deleted the module anyway. The module folder is a big mess.
[16:12] <frybye> mnemoc: so what do i have to do to deal with that...
[16:12] <nemo> Daekdroom: what's the module name again?
[16:13] <Daekdroom> nemo: saa7134 and saa7134-alsa
[16:13] <marcoaesis> i have atheros 24xx wireless integrated on my compaq cq60...with ubuntu 8.10 works ?
[16:14] <frybye> mnemoc: the scripts are very small - cant be much in them at all I guess.. except a few commands I suspect or..?
[16:14] <mnemoc> frybye: 26M	install-crossover-pro-demo-7.1.0.sh
[16:15] <mnemoc> frybye: If yours is smaller, it's probably incomplete
[16:15] <nemo> Daekdroom: udo find /lib/modules -name "saa7134*" -exec rm -f {} \;
[16:15] <nemo> er. sudo
[16:15] <Daekdroom> nemo: Isn't that a little.. er.. risky?
[16:15] <nemo> Why? :)
[16:15] <frybye> yeah it is 26M - just I have a fast dsl and hardly noticed the d-load..
[16:16] <marcoaesis> any ideas for my atheros 24xxx wireless card ?
[16:16] <joaopinto> because you are not supposed to remove files installed by packages, manually...
[16:16] <Daekdroom> nemo: and I just noticed why I couldn't find it using find xD
[16:16] <nemo> joaopinto: we are aware of that
[16:16] <Daekdroom> nemo: I'll write down that syntax
[16:16] <mnemoc> frybye: then, as you were told, chmod +x it and run it with sudo
[16:16] <dug_> !crossover
[16:16] <joaopinto> nemo, so don't ask why ;)
[16:16] <nemo> joaopinto: that's not a risk though
[16:16] <frybye> mnemoc: ok I will try it again...
[16:17] <jlintz> anyone have any problems with the hamster-applet for time tracking?
[16:17] <nemo> frankly, only thing I can imagine Daekdroom is concerned about is maybe that find wiping all of /lib/modules for some reason
[16:17] <nemo> and I didn't put a recursive in there or anything :)
[16:17] <jlintz> i thought it was coming included but do not see it in the list of applets, and installing the package does not yield it showing up in the list of applets
[16:17] <mnemoc> dug_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossOver
[16:17] <Daekdroom> lol
[16:17] <dug_> anyone get spearhead/medal of honor working in wine?
[16:18] <dug_> that's the only reason i boot up to windows now and then :)
[16:18] <frybye> mnemoc: and sudo -i is the right command - yeah??
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: have you checked the wine app db? :-p
[16:18] <Daekdroom> Look on wine APPdb
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: also, if you're a hard core wine user, hopefully you added the wine channel to your sources list
[16:18] <frybye> like - cos it wont have worked for -some- reason I geuss...
[16:18] <nemo> dug_: 'cause a lot of stuff works way better in wine 1.1.6
[16:19] <mnemoc> frybye: sudo -i <command>
[16:19] <dug_> thanks
[16:19] <frybye> sorry - I am a bit lost here ..
[16:20] <frybye> you mean put the ./filename.sh into < >
[16:21] <frybye> the "<" and ">" actually have to be in the console command or...?
[16:21] <mnemoc> frybye: sudo -i ./filename.sh
[16:22] <frybye> that is what I did 10 mins ago... i will do again.. hang on...
[16:23] <mnemoc> frybye: sorry, remove the -i
[16:23] <frybye> here...http://paste.ubuntu.com/63662/
[16:24] <frybye> mnemoc: ok - I try that...
[16:25] <mnemoc> -i changes dir, so you would need to pass $PWD/filename.sh
[16:25] <mnemoc> (absolute path)
[16:25] <frybye> it said:- '/home/ron' must exist and belong to you in order for the installation to proceed.
[16:25] <frybye> and :- If installing as root, you may need to log in as root, use 'su -' or 'sudo -H'
[16:26] <mnemoc> frybye: then use -i and the absolute path
[16:26] <joaopinto> mnemoc, sudo sh filename.sh
[16:26] <joaopinto> ops, frybye
[16:26] <frybye> so it is sudo sh filname.sh .. right???
[16:26] <mnemoc> that wont help
[16:27] <joaopinto> it it's an sh file, it will work just fine
[16:27] <frybye> when you say - absolute path - you mean like /home/user/Desktop etc etc.. yeah???
[16:27] <mnemoc> joaopinto: he already chmod +x it and got that message about the ownership of $HOME
[16:28] <joaopinto> ah ok, it's using the login user credential
[16:28] <mnemoc> i haven't installed it, but it seems to want to be installed as luser and not as root
[16:28] <frybye> this thing with "   sudo -H  " wont do it??
[16:29] <mnemoc> frybye: try ;-)
[16:30] <nemo> hm
[16:30] <frybye> yep that did it... but I just realized I need to wait for the serial number to come by email in the comming days first...
[16:30] <nemo> I answered jaysonsantos badly. I feel bad :(
[16:30] <frybye> but that did it - brought up a "windows-looking" install window etc..
[16:31] <frybye> at least i know what I need to do when the ser. numbers are here.. thanks a load guys...
[16:31] <mnemoc> frybye: yw
[16:31] <DivineDelirium> hi
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> i've got a problem with wireless in intrepis
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> wireless is recognise in ifconfig
[16:32] <DivineDelirium> but i can't connect to this
[16:33] <DivineDelirium> there is a tool for look wireless?
[16:33] <DivineDelirium> toc toc
[16:34] <DivineDelirium> please
[16:35] <DivineDelirium> mmhhrr
[16:36] <Alcapond> Can anyone help?   No matter what disk I put in, I get a "wrong fs type" error.  The disk is /dev/scd0 and I'm mounting it on /media/cdrom0.  Before it prints out the "bad fs type," I get a long list of "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, secor ####"  (after I type sudo mount /dev/scd0)
[16:47] <DivineDelirium> ok nemo i run that
[16:47] <nemo> DivineDelirium: did it return anything?
[16:47] <DivineDelirium> no
[16:48] <nemo> alrighty. so much for that theory.
[16:48] <DivineDelirium> ah?
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: so, when you say you see it in ifconfig ... it is there, but down?
[16:48] <itsatrick> In /etc/fstab, I have /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec    0       0
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: do you mind dumping your entire dmesg and uploading it to a pastebin?
[16:48] <itsatrick> Anyone else having trouble?
[16:48] <nemo> DivineDelirium: something like  dmesg > ~/Desktop/dmesg.txt
[16:49] <dulak> or install pastebinit and dmesg | pastebinit
[16:49] <DivineDelirium> !pastebin
[16:49] <nemo> dulak: heh
[16:49] <nemo> or that
[16:49] <void^> itsatrick: audio cds don't have filesystems
[16:49] <nemo> void^: aye. shouldn't be able to mount them at all
[16:50] <DivineDelirium> http://paste.ubuntu.com/63677/ nemo
[16:50] <nemo> DivineDelirium: lol.
[16:50] <nemo> DivineDelirium: was wanting more a pastebin of the dmesg output :-p
[16:50] <DivineDelirium> i don't undertand.. :)
[16:51] <nemo> 12:48 < nemo> DivineDelirium: something like  dmesg > ~/Desktop/dmesg.txt
[16:51] <nemo> 12:49 < dulak> or install pastebinit and dmesg | pastebinit
[16:51] <DivineDelirium> aahh
[16:51] <nemo> DivineDelirium: I'd like to read everything, so I can see if your computer is having wireless problems
[16:51] <nemo> DivineDelirium: also, it'll tell me what eth0 is
[16:51] <nemo> (I doubt it is your wireless)
[16:52] <itsatrick> void^: How do I mount an audio cd and play it, though?
[16:52] <td123> void^: what about cdfs?
[16:52] <itsatrick> Do I need to wait 'til Thursday for Ibex to completely work?
[16:52] <itsatrick> cdfs?
[16:52] <etnoy> cdfs != audiocd
[16:52] <etnoy> afaik
[16:52] <dulak> itsatrick: audio cds aren't mounted, the cd drive itself plays them
[16:52] <etnoy> you need something like sound-juicer to play audio cds
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> i'm imploding
[16:53] <etnoy> if you need to rip cd tracks, sound-juicer can be used as well
[16:53] <td123> DivineDelirium: time to hit the gym
[16:53] <itsatrick> Hm...now it works.
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> hehe
[16:53] <chairman> platius r u here/
[16:53] <itsatrick> I wasn't able to do this before. :(
[16:53] <DivineDelirium> wicd nemo?
[16:54] <chairman> i'm still having a problem getting the adobe flash. i got it installed but nothing happened on the web page
[16:54] <itsatrick> Thanks.
[16:54] <etnoy> chairman: you restarted firefox?
[16:54] <etnoy> what does about:plugins say?
[16:54] <nemo> chairman: how did you install it? using package manager I hope?
[16:55] <chairman> using adept packager
[16:55] <Nece228> does ubuntu 8.10 removed problem with flash?
[16:55] <etnoy> Nece228: what problems?
[16:56] <Nece228> ff uses a lot of cpu when watching youtube or playing flash games
[16:56] <etnoy> that would be a problem with the adobe flash player, not firefox
[16:56] <nemo> etnoy: and his graphics acceleration, most likely
[16:56] <etnoy> since flash is closed source, we have no way of improving it
[16:56] <nemo> Nece228: say, do you have a cheap graphics card and are using flash?
[16:56] <mnemoc> Nece228: it uses even more now :(
[16:56] <nickwinl> adept isn't tht great a program go to adobe's web page directly and download it.
[16:57] <Nece228> as i know ubuntu 8.10 should have flash 10
[16:57] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, I've noticed an improvement with Flash 10
[16:57] <mnemoc> WelshDragon: improvement as on eating your CPU faster?
[16:57] <chairman> ok. i got it now thanks guys
[16:57] <Nece228> nemo: my video card is super powerful: radeon 9600
[16:57] <Nece228> mnemoc: bad bad :(
[16:58] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, improvement as in it's using ~20% less CPU on average than Flash 9 used to.
[16:58] <Cycom> neat
[16:58] <Nece228> WelshDragon: thats a lie
[16:58] <WelshDragon> =.=
[16:58] <Nece228> WelshDragon: nothink is going faster than previous versions
[16:58] <mnemoc> WelshDragon: you are blessed then
[16:59] <Nece228> WelshDragon: flash 8 worked much faster than 9
[16:59] <Nece228> WelshDragon: why flash 10 should be faster than 9?
[16:59] <WelshDragon> Put it this way, When using Flash 9 i couldn't visit some sites without enabling AdBlock. With Flash 10..I can.
[16:59] <nickwinl> download sysstat or scan /proc to really find out, ppl!
[16:59] <Nece228> mnemoc: but in gutsy i didnt have these problems
[17:00] <etnoy> flash 10 is newer, better, shinier than version 9 :)
[17:00] <mnemoc> my daughters used their via c3 box (566Mhz, 512M) mostly only for gmail, pidgin and "panfu"... a flash game... it was pretty usable until I updated their box to 8.10 ... no it's unplayable
[17:00] <mnemoc> now*
[17:00] <Nece228> etnoy: flash 10 is fatter, lazier, bigger
[17:01] <etnoy> :P
[17:01]  * mnemoc shared Nece228 opinion
[17:01] <mnemoc> shares*
[17:01] <etnoy> well, adobe flash is crap and we all know about it
[17:01] <nickwinl> and adobe keeps changing their server-side configs therefore the window controls are always different with each upgrade.
[17:01] <mnemoc> sadly open source implementations are even worse :(
[17:02] <Nece228> ive also heard big performance criticisms in photoshop cs4
[17:02] <Nece228> in fact my machine is 3000+ 64 athlon so i dont think thats its old
[17:02] <Nece228> because ubuntu works fast
[17:02] <mnemoc> they clearly have a "pact" with HW manufacturers
[17:02] <WelshDragon> Ubuntu works fast on a 200mhz laptop...
[17:03] <WelshDragon> =P
[17:03] <Nece228> i mean with gnome and all demons enabled
[17:03] <Nece228> it also works fast with kde 4.1
[17:03] <mnemoc> WelshDragon:  smoking?
[17:03] <Nece228> also i bought that pc few months ago
[17:03] <Nece228> and im not gonna to buy new one again
[17:04] <WelshDragon> mnemoc, What?
[17:04] <Pici> !ot
[17:04] <mnemoc> Pici: :)
[17:06] <WelshDragon> Does this channel close when for a short while once Intrepid is released?
[17:06] <nemo> redirects
[17:06] <WelshDragon> Until Jaunty Development starts?
[17:06] <Pici> WelshDragon: Yes.
[17:17] <Daemonik>  I were to encrypt the root filesystem of a laptop with a 3.4ghz Pentium 4, what would be the performance penalty?
[17:18] <aleksandar_te> I have one question
[17:18] <dfgas> how do i find out what alsa is using
[17:18] <dfgas> i wish alsa would get fixed
[17:18] <aleksandar_te> Will Intel 4500MHD be supported in 8.10 Final Release?
[17:19] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, It runs Compiz quite nicely, the version I was using about three weeks ago would freeze the machine though.
[17:19] <Nece228> and remember
[17:19] <Nece228> the dog is everythink
[17:19] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, I suggest running 8.10 release candidate.
[17:19] <aleksandar_te> I tried 8.10 Beta, but there are no drivers
[17:19] <aleksandar_te> I only see white screen
[17:20] <aleksandar_te> I had to set VESA driver to get it working
[17:21] <Daemonik> aleksandar_te, If you can find newer drivers from Xorg's repositories or intel's site, try building and using them.
[17:21] <dxdemetriou> hi, where can I find the annoucements for release+1 that is decided the name using for the next release and what is the scope of the +1 release that starts after a few days of the current release?
[17:22] <ubuntu__> Hello everybody
[17:23] <ubuntu__> May I ask a question concerning ubuntu beta release?
[17:24] <WelshDragon> !ask | ubuntu__
[17:26] <td123> ubuntu__: it may have been fixed in the rc :P
[17:26] <_deba_> I am not sure why but kvkbd is not displaying the selected language layout. any suggestion to fix it ?
[17:28] <Darthfrog> *Can* the X configuration be altered manually anymore?  Xorg.conf seems pretty much a non-issue these days.
[17:29] <Darthfrog> Or are we back to the days of waving a dead chicken at it?
[17:30] <Daekdroom> It can, but most people won't need.
[17:30] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Got a pointer for me to figure it out?  While most people won't need to, I want to know how to. :-)
[17:32] <Alcapond> Can anyone help? After Updateing to Kubuntu 8.10 my Icons are totaly messed up - in all KDE4 apps (before I had 8.4 / KDE4 remix)
[17:32] <ubuntu__> I cannot install the new ubuntu beta to hdd, when I use automatic partition setup, the partition manager  says "swap memory on scsi3 (sda) could not be created." I also cannot create manual partitions with it, same error occurs. The partition manager does not detect any existing partitions at all. I tried it with not partitions installed on hd, and a linux partition, but it was both not found and installing was not possible because of t
[17:32] <ubuntu__> he error I told before. When I start gparted from the live cd, it cannot find a device. Fdisk does so, also. Other linux version I tried, can detect my hdd and create partitions so it seams to be a ubuntu problem.
[17:33] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: Well. It's more or less the same way it was before. But they removed a few options and moved others
[17:33] <ubuntu__> any suggestions :-)
[17:33] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Thanks.
[17:33] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Can you boot into the live CD and do your partitioning from there?
[17:34] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: I think people at #xorg would flood you with documentation links if you asked there
[17:34] <Darthfrog> Daekdroom: Is this new way the Xorg way?  Or the Ubuntu way?
[17:34] <ubuntu__> @darthfrog: I can boot into live cd, but partitioning is not possible because gparted does not detect any device.
[17:34] <ubuntu__> +s
[17:34] <Daekdroom> Darthfrog: Well. Xorg in general doesn't need a complex .conf anymore
[17:36] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Have you checked the MD5sum of the iso from which you burned the disk?  Did you run the disk check from the CD boot menu?
[17:36] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: Nevermind gparted, does fdisk see the drives?
[17:37] <Darthfrog> Or cfdisk.
[17:37] <ubuntu__> no, fdisk doesnt work anyway
[17:37] <Darthfrog> ???
[17:37] <ubuntu__> no, I did not run the check tool from disk
[17:37] <Darthfrog> You might have a bum CD.
[17:38] <ubuntu__> @dartgfrog I will give it a try, run the check tool and check the md5 sum
[17:38] <ubuntu__> thank you
[17:38] <Darthfrog> ubuntu__: you're welcome.  And good luck.
[17:40] <Jabar> hello everybody!
[17:42] <Jabar> I upgrade my ubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10, and have problems. I get the login screen and able to login after it just freezes. I had to dual boot to XP to get help, so please forgive me if i don't have the answers.... However i was here the othertime and was ask to note any errors in ./.xsession-errors which i did
[17:44] <mini-man> Jabar, that happened to me a couple times last week... did you try failsafe mode?
[17:44] <Jabar> First Error : X-session-manager[5675] : WARNING Could not read /home/jabar/.config/autpstart/bluetooth-applet.desktop < I don't have bluetooth, so any help is greatly appreciated ...
[17:44] <Jabar> Mini-man - I can get into failsafe root
[17:45] <mini-man> Jabar, try booting into failsafe and do a apt-get remove bluetooth
[17:45] <mini-man> or remove bluetooth-applet from sessions autostart
[17:46] <ArkoldThos> someone getting crashes at burning at k3b?
[17:47] <Jabar> Second error : X-session-manager [5675] : WARNING Unable to find 'gnome-wm' of required component 'windows manager' < sorry couldn't read my handwriting
[17:48] <mini-man> Jabar, looks like a compiz issue
[17:48] <Jabar> Mini-Man - i appreciated your help.. i will try them when i am happy to logout of winxp
[17:49] <mini-man> Jabar, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/277344
[17:49] <mini-man> looks like your errors
[17:49] <Jabar> last error : X-session-manager [5675] WARNING Application 'gnome-wm.desktop' fail to register before timeout
[17:50] <Jabar> mini-man - not sure if this is the same, i updated using terminal update command
[17:50] <DivineDelirium> i've got a acer extensa 5620z but wireless don't work
[17:50] <mini-man> Jabar, try disabling compiz and see if that helps?
[17:51] <Jabar> mini-man : please forgive me, how can i disbale compiz..?
[17:52] <Jabar> interesting i have intel 82845 video card... re bug 259385
[17:52] <mini-man> Jabar, can't remember, on Hardy i used to disable it with the appearance dialog, but that's obviously not going to work here :)
[17:52] <mini-man> Jabar, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608233
[17:52] <mini-man> might help
[17:54] <mini-man> iirc, compiz isn't started in gnome-failsafe mode, you could probably remove it from startup or such from there if you don't login as root
[17:55] <Jabar> mini-man : i tried the failsafe without gnome..just freezes
[17:56] <FiReSTaRT> guys, i have a couple of migration questions re: hardy -- > intrepid (clean reinstall).. 1) i'm assuming debs that worked on hardy should work on intrepid with no issues? 2) if i wanna transfer my user data like contact lists, account settings, program settings, all I need to do is copy the corresponding folders from my home folder to the new home folder once i have the ibex up and running?
[17:56] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, 1) wrong, 2) why are you going to reformat /home ?
[17:57] <ArkoldThos> how can I burn a cd via console? :o
[17:57] <FiReSTaRT> reformat+reinstall
[17:57] <ArkoldThos> joaopinto: probably he gots all in one partition :O
[17:58] <BenHoltz3> Can someone help me figure out where to start to see why compiz won't load at startup?
[17:58] <joaopinto> Intrepid allows to install into an existing partition without removing /home
[17:58] <joaopinto> there is no need to reformat
[17:58] <FiReSTaRT> actually there is unless i can repartition
[17:59] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, no there isn't, the installer will remove /usr, /var, ... etc, but not /home
[17:59] <FiReSTaRT> so if i save my /home partition, all of my user data will be restored?
[17:59] <joaopinto> that was improved on the latest version, so that people do not need to have different partitions for reinstalls
[17:59] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, it is not restore, it simply is not deleted at all
[18:00] <joaopinto> just make sure you do not select to "Format", during the custom partitioning
[18:00] <FiReSTaRT> i know.. but i really wanna repartition my system to make it run more efficiently (it is true that i have everything on one part. atm)
[18:00] <alteregoa> heh is there a mp3 list or audio file llist maker for linux?
[18:00] <FiReSTaRT> and i have about 100gb of wasted space, tyvm brother bill
[18:01] <FiReSTaRT> which i'll just wipe off
[18:01] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, splitting into partitions does not increase efficiency
[18:02] <FiReSTaRT> ok, so under those circumstances... i can install intrepid and reassign the partition currently assigned to v**ta any which way i please?
[18:02] <__ubuntu> Hello again, I was here 15 minutes ago with that ubuntu installation problem. I now run the checktool, which did not found any errors. I compared the md5 sums, and they were equal so the iso is not demaged...
[18:03] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, you can resize your single partition
[18:03] <joaopinto> just use the partition editor from the live cd
[18:03] <FiReSTaRT> ahhh ok.. that'll make it easier... now just for that one concern...
[18:04] <FiReSTaRT> i have some apps that aren't in the repositories.. so my only option is to compile from source? what's the issue with the hardy debs?
[18:05] <Jabar> Mini-Man : That was very helpful, i read launchpad.net/bugs/259385 <appears i will try the suppose fix... thanks for your help and time ;)
[18:07] <joaopinto> FiReSTaRT, it depends on the compatibility/availability of the libraries those built apps depend on
[18:07] <BenHoltz> Can someone help me with an issue of compiz --replace not working?
[18:08] <mnemoc> [34852.879079] rtl8187: 8187B chip detected. Support is EXPERIMENTAL, and could damage your
[18:08] <mnemoc> [34852.879082]          hardware, use at your own risk
[18:08] <mnemoc> oh
[18:08] <FiReSTaRT> ahh so it's a hit and miss thing
[18:08] <Nakkel> Installed latest Kubuntu RC and it still doesnt keep most of my settings. Windows wont remember their toolbars or columns in listviews when quit. Themes reset back to Oxygen on logout/reboot even so that the actual line in config files magically dissapears between boots. Some application settings wont hold even after closing the setup window.
[18:08] <FiReSTaRT> ok thanks a lot joao.. i better split now.. the electrician's coming in :) ciao
[18:11] <__ubuntu> nobody any suggestions for ubuntu beta installation problem? The installer cannot creat the swap partition, it even cannot see the partitions which are already there. Other linux distrs work and can create partitions.
[18:14] <jAk> Mini-Man : it WORKED.... your the man!! ;)
[18:16] <jAk> oh blast, he/she isn'tonline...well... thanks am in ubuntu 8.10 at last !!!
[18:17] <LARefugee> howdy howdy. Almost daily updates to the bluetooth stack and still I only can get a hissing sound from my headset and an error message from aplay. Anyone have better luck?
[18:18]  * BenHoltz hates compiz problems.... also wishes to get some help...
[18:20] <LARefugee> And how about network manager and vpns? The vpn support seems to be turned off (grayed out). Any tips there?
[18:21] <Turgon>  Hello. I have been trying to install my laptop's webcam driver (Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0402:5602 ALi Corp. Video Camera Controller), which I found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/ I extract the files, run "make", then "sudo checkinstall". Everything seems alright. The problem comes when I try to load the module "/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/media/m5602.ko"; I get this error message: "Unknown symbol in module,
[18:21] <Turgon>  or unknown parameter (see dmesg)". My dmesg output is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63699/ Just in case it helps, here is the makefile that it is used to compile the driver: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63700/ I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 RC (updated from 7.10). Any ideas about what can I do to load the module m5602? Thanks a lot for your help and kind work :-D
[18:25]  * BenHoltz hears the jeopardy theme song in the music on hold for this channel.
[18:33] <W8TAH> i heard someplace that ibex contains the ability to have an encrypted personal file store - of some kind - -how is this done?
[18:33] <W8TAH> as in how do i set it up
[18:34] <Pici> W8TAH: Its in the release notes
[18:34] <W8TAH> ok thanks
[18:38] <jin> how can I rollback from Intrepid RC1 to Ubuntu Hardy?
[18:38] <larsemil> how is symbols in xkb in X11 working in intrepid? cant find a /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/se file on intrepid but it is there on hardy
[18:39] <victim[v]> i'm using Kubuntu 8.10 RC, freshly installed today. I had some issues with my FX5200 and the 173 drivers from Nvidia (I can now restore the screen resolution to 1028 8768). I've just started OpenOffice Writer and several 'bits' of the KDE4 panel (at the bottom) have turned blue. The panel is fine if I create a spreadsheet or create a text doc then a spreadsheet.
[18:40] <W8TAH> pici -- the release notes that i am finding state it exists but not how to install / configure it - -or even a name that i can work from for further searching
[18:40] <victim[v]> It only happens when I have an OOO Writer window open
[18:40] <Pici> W8TAH: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc#Encrypted%20private%20directory
[18:40] <W8TAH> thank you
[18:41] <W8TAH> thanks -- i was looking in the wrong area
[18:42] <mnemoc> is ubuntu supposed to "share the load" if one has more than 1 wifi device connected to the same network?
[18:43] <Pici> mnemoc: No, It won't know to do that automatically.  I assume its possible, but I don't know how to configure it.
[18:44] <jimmy51_> hello, i've got an nvidia riva tnt2 and can't find nvidia-glx-legacy in the repos
[18:44] <jimmy51_> what can i do?
[18:45] <mnemoc> Pici: my pci card is detecting a 1M bandwidth, but I plugged a usb wifi thumb which detects the 54M .... shall I remove the pci to use the thumb?
[18:46] <Pici> mnemoc: If you want.
[18:49] <larsemil> hmm cant seem to get nm-applet.. why could that be?
[18:50] <devon_> does anyone know how to configure network manager to stop scanning when it's connected to an AP?
[18:50] <devon_> I get booted from my network 2-6 times daily
[18:50] <devon_> and looking at older defects (with other wireless chipsets) the constant scanning is strongly associated with that behavior
[18:57] <groogy> Yo! I have a problem. I'm making this program in ruby that is using OpenGL. And sometimes when I closes it, the screen drops down to commandline and after a second I am back to the login window. My guess is that I by mistake crash something? In Hardy it worked perfectly.
[18:57] <groogy> Any idea what the problem is?
[18:59] <groogy> halp plz? ^_^
[18:59] <bytor4232> I'm running cairo dock under xubuntu intrepid, and there is no option or configuration to change it to the 3d angled look.
[19:03] <victim[v]> A screenshot of my normal desktop http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d6085c4dc1.png
[19:03] <victim[v]> A screenshot of the missing panels and K menu when OpenOffice writer is focused http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/d5aa869b0e.png
[19:08] <RHSanborn> Does anyone know off the top of their head if the new network manager supports third party wireless drivers?
[19:08] <RHSanborn> I'd been using wicd in hardy and I'm not sure if having wicd on there prior to upgrade may have upset anything.
[19:10] <larsemil> when i run nm-applet i only get a warning saying: No connections defined. what is that about?
[19:12] <funkyHat> Only DVD images for intrepid? :(
[19:12] <GibbaTheHutt> I used cd
[19:12] <GibbaTheHutt> larsemil, does it carry on and work though ?
[19:13] <funkyHat> I'm looking at the rc release download page and it's only dvds
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: i am connected with wire yes
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: but i dont see a applet
[19:13] <larsemil> GibbaTheHutt: so its not working, cant see any wlans and so on
[19:13] <GibbaTheHutt> top right corner ?
[19:13] <larsemil> nothing in notification area
[19:13] <GibbaTheHutt> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ are all cds funkyHat
[19:14] <funkyHat> Ah, I was looking at a different page, silly google!
[19:14] <funkyHat> thanks GibbaTheHutt :)
[19:14] <GibbaTheHutt> yw
[19:15] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, run nm in the console
[19:15] <Supersaiyan_IV> that or nm-applet
[19:15] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: nm: 'a.out': No such file
[19:16] <Supersaiyan_IV> sry my bad, completely wrong command :P
[19:16] <Supersaiyan_IV> it's nm-applet
[19:17] <Supersaiyan_IV> it should start the network manager
[19:17] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: i know that it should start it. this is my problem. :) its not starting it. :D
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> ps -A | grep nm
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> does that give any output is nm-applet is actually running?
[19:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> if*
[19:18] <larsemil> its starting the process, nothing visible in the notification area and if i run it in terminal it gives me: no connections defined
[19:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> so, i suppose ifconfig gives the correct output?
[19:20] <larsemil> yep
[19:20] <Supersaiyan_IV> hmm
[19:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> tried reinstalling nm-applet?
[19:21] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: yes. i even tried a newer version then the one in intrepid
[19:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> sudo ifconfig eth0 up, then start applet, does that change anything?
[19:24] <larsemil> nope same error
[19:24] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, or, sudo ifconfig eth0 mode auto
[19:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> sorry thats for iwconfig
[19:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, im out of ideas
[19:26] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, when reainstalling, did you purge the config files?
[19:26] <larsemil> Supersaiyan_IV: yes i did sudo apt-get purge
[19:27] <larsemil> and also autoremove on the other packages that was pulled on installing
[19:27] <KDesk> hi
[19:27] <Supersaiyan_IV> larsemil, sorry, but im of no help in this case
[19:28] <larsemil> thanks for trying
[19:29] <KDesk> I will install Kubuntu in a system in a few days. But I dont know if I should install 8.04 (with the kde 4 repo) or 8.10. The system should be stable, so I thought better would be 8.04. So my question is what do you recomend me to do?
[19:31] <GogetaX> hey all.. any1 can help me with ubuntu 8.10's networking?
[19:33] <GogetaX> i've got that Orange's iCON 255 (mobile netstick) im using. looks like the "Network Connections" could not understand my modem althought the lsusb CAN find it.. any1 can help me with that plz?
[19:33] <GibbaTheHutt> KDesk, if you want stability, use 8.04 just at first, but maybe try the livecd 8.10 a few times until happy its stable for you before using that
[19:33] <calc> KDesk: 8.10 has KDE 4.1 8.04 3.5
[19:34] <calc> KDesk: 8.04 probably would be more stable but 8.10 is new and shiny
[19:34] <GogetaX> sry i dont understand.. :s i just want that the netowkr list will regonize that network modem of mine..
[19:37] <Lr5> If I upgrade from 8.04 to the 8.10 release candidate version instead of waiting for the final release, will anything be different or will they be completely same versions after updating?
[19:38] <Pici> Lr5: They should be the same
[19:39] <Lr5> ok, thanks
[19:40] <KDesk> GibbaTheHutt: ok, I will try the live CD too see how it works a few hours.
[19:40] <Lr5> I guess I'll try it first on a live cd before upgrading to it, or is there some other way to test if it works fine?
[19:40] <KDesk> calc: But I would add the kde4 repo to 8.04
[19:41] <sahak> Hello
[19:41] <sahak> Can anybody listen to preset HBR1 radio stations in rhythmbox under Ubuntu 8.10?
[19:41] <calc> KDesk: ok
[19:41] <calc> KDesk: i imagine kde in 8.10 is more stable than the one that was built for 8.04 (unless they have updated it recently)
[19:43] <Daekdroom> I disagree
[19:43] <Daekdroom> 4.0 tree is very stable now. 4.1 is new.
[19:44] <GogetaX> any1 here know why my modem is not reginized by ubuntu's Internet Connection Lists?
[19:47] <GogetaX> any1 here know why my modem is not reginized by ubuntu's Internet Connection Lists?
[19:47] <Mimi> I don't know
[19:47] <Mimi> I don't know
[19:47] <GogetaX> grrr >_<
[19:47] <GogetaX> i asked if "any1" u dont need to answer if u dont know u know
[19:48] <frank23> I think I'm going to have to jump ship from kubuntu to ubuntu. KDE4 and the kde4 ports of apps aren't there yet and I'd like to upgrade. I'm still running gutsy
[19:48] <histo> Anyone know where I can begin trouble shooting why any keyboard I plug in numpad doesn't work?
[19:51] <larsemil> noone has any idea why nm-applet says: no connections defined when running it? it does not show in tray
[19:51] <joshua1> hi folks, i am having a "little" problem with a rt61 chipset based w-lan card. according to the wiki it should run out of the box since ubuntu 8.10 which it does not do in my case, is anyone used to this chipset?
[19:52] <histo> nvm I found it accesibility defaults to the keyboard being able to control the pointer in ibex. REtarded
[19:55] <bullgard4> Where will I find a summary what new features are implemented in Intrepid Ibex compared with Hardy?
[19:56] <bullgard4> histo: Check your dmesg. It will reflect keyboard errors.
[20:02] <histo> I already found the problem.
[20:03] <joshua1> is no one here who can help me?
[20:03] <binspace> Hello, is there a package for firefox2 on 8.10?
[20:04] <joshua1> if i login to the box via ssh and start wpa_supplicant with a definitly correct wpa_supplicant.conf i just get CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULT
[20:04] <joshua1> no suggestions?
[20:04] <nekostar> this is so wierd
[20:05] <nekostar> compiz bloats xorg up to 230MB
[20:05] <nekostar> and then it goes stable apparently
[20:05] <PatrickBic> evening.
[20:05] <nekostar> nautilus goes to 50-80MB
[20:05] <nekostar> and compiz stays around 58-62 MB usually
[20:05]  * nekostar sighs
[20:06] <nekostar> however ive got really bad video tearing in metacity AND c-f
[20:06] <PatrickBic> is is better (as in time needed to get it working properly) to install the rc and update the packages or to wait a few days (when the server got over the first download rush) and download intrepid then?
[20:06] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.27-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[1 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes] | cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz SMP (4 processors), 2399.986 MHz (19200.18 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 1680x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NV
[20:06] <nekostar> IDIA Corporation with driver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.12] | xchat[Version: 2.8.6] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[20:06] <nekostar> PatrickBic i set it up early
[20:06] <nekostar> i'm gonna ride this setup till nov 30
[20:06] <Owe1> what is the encryption strenght of the private folder in ll
[20:06] <nekostar> PatrickBic are you decent at troubleshooting?
[20:06] <jbg7474> Hi all--anyone have any luck getting gpilot to synch with a Palm device in Intrepid?
[20:07] <nekostar> b/c this intrepid is in my opinion worth the bit of trouble it was to setup
[20:07] <nekostar> just remember if your vid card isnt autodetected to run jockey-gtk
[20:07] <nekostar> ^^
[20:07] <nekostar> b/c
[20:07] <nekostar> its SICK
[20:07] <nekostar> :d
[20:07] <PatrickBic> nekostar, i installed and used/tested over 50 distributions.. including stuff like lfs, gentoo ...
[20:07] <PatrickBic> so i guess i am fine with troubleshooting
[20:07] <PatrickBic> :P
[20:08] <nekostar> lol
[20:08] <nekostar> then yeah dont wait
[20:08] <nekostar> get in and setup b/f release
[20:08] <nekostar> :D
[20:08] <nekostar> occational update isnt so bad
[20:08] <nekostar> but here's how i do it.
[20:08] <ratpoison> hello! kubuntu amd64 8.10 user with ATI x1950 (r550). I'm experiencing a flashing display issue: The Display flashes once about 10 seconds.  I'm using radeonhd.
[20:09] <nekostar> i wont update any of: restricted modules, linux-kernels, linux-headers, nor compiz more than twice -
[20:09] <nekostar> most of the rest of it is ok
[20:09] <PatrickBic> kk
[20:10] <nekostar> ^^ gl PatrickBic
[20:10] <nekostar> ;)
[20:10] <nekostar> oh btw guys
[20:10] <PatrickBic> thanks :P
[20:10] <nekostar> dunno if anyone ever bothered
[20:10] <nekostar> conky can update quite fast :P
[20:10] <nekostar> tho it spikes a cpu
[20:10] <nekostar> lol
[20:10] <nekostar> on my quad, ive had it updateing up to every .002 seconds
[20:10] <nekostar> lol
[20:11] <nekostar> was hilarious - when it was finally killed it would not disappear
[20:11] <nekostar> it gets 'stuck' to the screen somehow
[20:11] <nekostar> lol
[20:11] <nekostar> gonna research that later this week
[20:11] <nekostar> :>
[20:11] <nekostar> er 'it gets 'stuck' to the desktop wallpaper', rather
[20:12] <nekostar> kk i'm out
[20:12] <PatrickBic> bye
[20:12] <nekostar> o/
[20:15] <Yuretsz> Hi all, what would be the differences with ubuntu 8.04 with all upgrades and ubuntu 8.10 ?
[20:16] <bullgard4> Where will I find a summary what new features are implemented in Intrepid Ibex compared with Hardy?
[20:17] <vega> by perhaps reading the topic?
[20:17] <jbg7474> Has anyone successfully synch'd a Palm device with gpilot on Intrepid?
[20:17] <calc> Yuretsz: extra packages installed that are no longer installed by default
[20:18] <calc> Yuretsz: maybe some other stuff as well, not sure
[20:20] <Yuretsz> calc: If I'll update, I'll have to update /etc/apt/sources.list by hands?
[20:21] <calc> Yuretsz: no there is a description of how to update on ubuntu.com (from what i recall) using update-manager
[20:21] <WelshDragon> Yuretsz, You can type 'update-manager -d' (without quotes) in the terminal.
[20:24] <jbg7474> Palm device?  Anyone?
[20:28] <megatog615> i have an amd athlon64 x2 5600+
[20:28] <megatog615> only one of the cores is activated
[20:28] <megatog615> is this a known issue?
[20:28] <megatog615> if so, where is the bug report?
[20:29] <TheInfinity> how do you know @ only one core?
[20:29] <megatog615> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:29] <megatog615> htop
[20:29] <megatog615> any number of things that show cpu cores
[20:29] <TheInfinity> ok ... bios settingss ok?
[20:29] <megatog615> yes
[20:31] <jbg7474> Has anyone successfully synch'd a Palm device using gpilot in Intrepid?
[20:33] <Hoover_4000> i cant get it to even recognize my palm
[20:34] <megatog615> anyone?
[20:34] <jbg7474> Hoover: I can see my Palm using lsusb, when I hit the hotsync button, so I know something is happening--but gpilot just sits there ignoring it
[20:35] <Hoover_4000> well i cant get mine to get recognized at all so i gave up
[20:36] <jbg7474> Hoover: I think people have done it with jpilot, but I'm personally reluctant to go away from evolution
[20:36] <firetoad> where do I go to configure wifi settings in ibex?
[20:36] <Hoover_4000> i tried it on both of them i gave up and decided to just use windows
[20:37] <jbg7474> Hoover: ugh--that's not exactly the response I was hoping for!
[20:37] <Hoover_4000> ya i know
[20:37] <Hoover_4000> people dont like me mentioning the W word
[20:38] <megatog615> [   31.276186] powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ processors (1 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00)
[20:38] <megatog615> great!
[20:38] <Tux007> Und jetzt?
[20:38] <eventmaster>
[20:38] <eventmaster>   CONCEPTRONIC Wireless Desktop PCI Karte 300Mbps C300Ri    is this card working under hardy/intrepid
[20:39] <jbg7474> Hoover: I think something has to be done with a .fdi file, but I'm a little clueless on how to make those work right
[20:46] <Hoover_4000> jbg7474: i will work on finding out how but as of right now am stuck with syncing with ubuntu
[20:48] <joshua1> megatog615: check your kernelconfig, where you will find an option which allows you to use multiple cores but if you didn't compile your kernel yourself it should be enabled, another point is that, at least i can with gentoo but the feature is kernelbased and so should also be available in ubuntu, turn on and off the cores/cpus if you have more than one. But this is as far as i know experimental feature which shouldn't be enabled in the default ke
[20:52] <Tux007> Welche Einstellung in Netzwerk Configuration entspricht dem "Roaming" in Version 8.04? DHCP funtioniert bei mir nämlich nicht.
[20:53] <megatog615> joshua1: i am using the latest intrepid kernel(2.6.27-3-rt) on x86_64
[20:53] <megatog615> where would I find this kernel config?
[20:54] <megatog615> oh
[20:54] <megatog615> /boot/config-2.6.27-r-rt
[20:54] <joshua1> megatog615:change to /usr/src/linux (which is a symlink, maybe it is /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version>) and then type sudo make menuconfig
[20:54] <megatog615> i see # CONFIG_SMP is not set
[20:54] <joshua1> megatog615: is not set does not mean that it is disabled
[20:54] <megatog615> i dont feel confortable building my own kernel
[20:55] <megatog615> as i have never been successful
[20:55] <lbci> after latest update, atheros 5001x+ chipset loads but network manager does not see, if i deactivate->reactivate and choose edit connections it then connects automagically like it should? ne1 have an idea on where break is happening?
[20:55] <dug_> de!
[20:55] <dug_> de?
[20:55] <dug_> oh well
[20:55] <joshua1> megatog615:hat the same problem, changed to gentoo tried and tried and tried and somehow it worked xD
[20:55] <megatog615> i dont want to switch to gentoo either
[20:56] <megatog615> is there some kind of kernel command line switch i can use at grub to enable smp?
[20:56] <mn> Why is II taking so long to boot, and why do my top and bottom tool bars go away when I use firefox
[20:58] <Tux007> What is the altenate setting to "Roaming" in Vers. 8.04? DHCP dont work with my con. Roaming works - but there is no "Roaming" in 8.10 NM. I use a simple open WEP WLAN - Connect > Password... ready... NO DHCP - this works but not stable.
[20:58] <joshua1> megatog615: these are the only things i can think of but maybe it has something to do with powersaving, but if you did not build your own kernel and wrote your own menu.lst this should not be the problem because ubuntu has a quite good hardwareautodetection especially concerning cpus
[20:59] <mn> Sorry, something happened.
[20:59] <mn> Now why do my top and bottom toolbars go out of sight when I use firefox and why is it taking II so long to boot?
[21:00] <zerny> Hi, I just upgraded to the new release to test it out before the final release. Since the upgrade it seems that xorg.conf ignores any keyboard+mouse device entries. Is that so?
[21:01] <wgrant> zerny: That's correct.
[21:01] <wgrant> zerny: What are you trying to do?
[21:01] <zerny> wgrant: I would like to enable alt-switch (used in many european countries)
[21:01] <megatog615> joshua1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213011
[21:02] <zerny> wgrant: I did this with: Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" before
[21:02] <megatog615> though i am not using an i386 kernel
[21:02] <wgrant> zerny: You can probably put that in an fdi file.
[21:02] <wgrant> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config#hal
[21:02] <Daekdroom> Is it the x64 kernel?
[21:02] <megatog615> yes
[21:02] <megatog615> -rt
[21:03] <zerny> wgrant: thanks I will take a look
[21:03] <Daekdroom> Is the system up to date?
[21:03] <megatog615> yes
[21:03] <Daekdroom> Well. There might be a report concerning that too.
[21:03] <wgrant> zerny: What's wrong with that setting in System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[21:03] <wgrant> There's a checkbox for just that.
[21:03] <Daekdroom> They can't release a new kernel version at this point. Maybe there's a fix and it wasn't released. Or maybe they didn't know it happens under other conditions too.
[21:03] <zerny> wgrant: another thing. the keycode for AltGr on my thinkpad changed from 113 to 92 in intrepid. Is that not a bit undesirable?
[21:04] <megatog615> Daekdroom: is there a bug report?
[21:04] <wgrant> zerny: That I'm not quite sure of.
[21:04] <Daekdroom> megatog615: No idea. I haven't looked at launchpad lately
[21:04] <megatog615> hmm, i think i see a discrepency
[21:05] <megatog615> the latest rt kernel is 2.6.27-3
[21:05] <megatog615> the latest generic is 2.6.27-7
[21:05] <wgrant> That's not relevant.
[21:05] <wgrant> It just means that -rt came about later, so has a low ABI.
[21:05] <megatog615> well maybe it was fixed in the generic
[21:05] <wgrant> -rt is based on the latest -generic.
[21:05] <seclm193> Need some help
[21:06] <seclm193> wireless worked perfectly to my schools network in ubuntu 8.04, but 8.10 wont work without a certificate?
[21:06] <joshua1> megatog615: so your sure you have the 64bit version? try uname -r
[21:06] <alteregoa> can someone help me with the koyyanisqatsi?
[21:06] <wgrant> I know -rt is up to date because we were all watching the buildds just before releasefreeze, and linux-rt took up a lot of buildd time.
[21:06] <megatog615> yes i do have x86_64
[21:06] <wgrant> zerny: Found the checkbox in the GNOME keyboard preferences yet?
[21:06] <joshua1> is now someone here who is used to w-lan pci cards?
[21:07] <evan__> hey how do i kill xorg from ssh?
[21:07] <alteregoa> yeah eierless lan rocks
[21:07] <lobo235> I am getting an error when trying to apt-get a new package, the error is "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." This is happening after tasksel died in the middle of adding lamp-server
[21:07] <lobo235> any ideas?
[21:07] <wgrant> evan__: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will kill it and prevent it from restarting.
[21:07] <alteregoa> ok do it aga
[21:07] <zerny> wgrant: oh, sorry did not see that msg
[21:07] <megatog615> wgrant: i am assuming you are a dev
[21:08] <wgrant> megatog615: That is correct.
[21:08] <evan__> wgrant: nope thats not working... my screen is all black and keys are not responding
[21:08] <megatog615> i will give you any info you need
[21:08] <joshua1> megatog615:quite funny. do you maybe just have both of the cores seen as one, but this one with the power of both?
[21:08] <wgrant> zerny: It has moved in Intrepid; in System->Preferences->Keyboard, Layouts, Other Options, Third level choosers.
[21:08] <seclm193> can anyone help me with my problem, does vista store the certificate? and can i use that certificate?
[21:08] <megatog615> joshua1: i can tell my performance has dropped due to everything running on one core
[21:09] <wgrant> megatog615: I'm an X guy, not much of a kernel one, sorry.
[21:09] <megatog615> also, sensors detects both core temp sensors
[21:10] <evan__> wgrant: i managed to stop gdm and after it i killed xorg by  sudo kill -9 (pid)
[21:10] <megatog615> though one core is running at a much higher temp than the other
[21:10] <megatog615> difference of 5 degrees
[21:10] <wgrant> evan__: Erk. Which video driver are you using, and where does it fail in the log?
[21:10] <joshua1> megatog615:ok, no problem. that sensors detects both one sounds very strange..the difference maybe means that that one with the lower temp is not used
[21:11] <megatog615> yea
[21:11] <megatog615> tis running pretty cold(i take good care of my box) at 23 degrees
[21:11] <megatog615> while the other is running at 28
[21:11] <geremy> hey all, still looking for help with an intel 945's tv out in either hardy or intrepid, assistance would be much appreciated
[21:11] <joshua1> megatog615: so how you found out that you are using 64bit?
[21:11] <evan__> wgrant: no errors... but im trying to do dual screen maybe thats teh error
[21:12] <megatog615> joshua1: several ways
[21:12] <megatog615> uname -m
[21:12] <megatog615> the fact that i installed 64-it ubuntu 8.04 back when it came out
[21:12] <wgrant> evan__: Which video driver?
[21:12] <megatog615> *bit
[21:12] <megatog615> the fact that all my packages are amd64
[21:12] <zerny> wgrant: hmmm. it does not seem to do what it used to...
[21:13] <joshua1> megatog615:ok that is what i wanted to know, thought that maybe you installed the 64bit version userspace but the 32bit kernel (of what i am not sure whether it works)
[21:13] <wgrant> zerny: Uncheck that, add the fdi file, and see if it works, I guess
[21:13] <evan__> wgrant: i have a nvidia 8200 wich is connected to a monitor wich ehhh recieves a signal ( all black... ) and i have an ati HD3450
[21:13] <seclm193> Anyone can help with my wireless problem?
[21:13] <wgrant> Ah. Ew.
[21:13] <evan__> wicht dont receive signal
[21:13] <joshua1> ist no one familiar with the rt61 chipset?
[21:13] <wgrant> I'm not sure how well XRandR works with two video cards.
[21:14] <alteregoa> i need help with my koyyanisqatsi
[21:14] <alteregoa> it doesnt' run
[21:14] <alteregoa> i tried it with dreamcatchers and stuff
[21:14] <alteregoa> but it won't work
[21:14] <joshua1> megatog615:did you try uname -m when you inserted a ubuntu live cd?
[21:15] <megatog615> uh?
[21:15] <megatog615> look, i know its x86_64
[21:15] <wgrant> joshua1: If one has a live CD, one should already known which arch it is.
[21:15] <joshua1> megatog615:sry i meant cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:15] <megatog615> see my bug report comment
[21:16] <megatog615> joshua1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213011
[21:16] <seclm193> Is no one here about to help me?
[21:16] <megatog615> its the last comment
[21:18] <joshua1> megatog615: if you have the same problem using the livecd you know that it is a problem of your hardware or of ubuntu itsself (kernel or whatever) but not of your configuration. This is why i asked whether you checked /proc/cpuinfo when your system is running the live cd you probably used when you installed your system
[21:19] <megatog615> uh
[21:19] <megatog615> i used do-release-upgrade -d
[21:19] <zerny> wgrant: this keyboard stuff it too weird. AltGr now identifies as ISO_Level3_Shift, but in programs (xmonad, metacity) it acts like a Hyper (mod5) key...
[21:19] <megatog615> from 8.04
[21:19] <joshua1> megatog615: before it worked?
[21:19] <megatog615> yes
[21:20] <megatog615> in 8.04 i had two cores working
[21:20] <zerny> wgrant: I will try look in to it more later. Thank you for you help and nice work on the release!
[21:20] <joshua1> is really no one here who knows something about w-lan?
[21:20] <megatog615> i am going to try the generic kernel just for kicks
[21:20] <joshua1> megatog615:ok, good idea...
[21:21] <lobo235> Has anyone been able to install Opera on a new 8.10 install? I cannot do it using apt-get because it says "E: Package opera has no installation candidate"
[21:21] <joshua1> megatog615:I myself am not using ubuntu, so i can only help in the general way but not concerning the different versions of ubuntu...
[21:21] <wgrant> zerny: You haven't got an xmodmaprc somewhere
[21:21] <wgrant> *?
[21:22] <zerny> wgrant: yes, that is what I am using to remap the keys
[21:22] <wgrant> zerny: Remove it and see what works.
[21:22] <wgrant> I believe it's even in the release notes.
[21:22] <wgrant> Keycodes have changed.
[21:23] <evan__> wgrant: do you know whether the BusId changes when i put the connector in a different slot ( like instead of the dvi slot into the vga )
[21:23] <zerny> wgrant: yes I have noticed some changes, but I believe I would need xmodmap to add special keys as triggers for the Level3 shift
[21:24] <wgrant> evan__: I'd be very surprised if it didn't change when moving bus.
[21:24] <evan__> wgrant: how do i look that up?
[21:24] <evan__> that id
[21:24] <wgrant> zerny: Try without it and see what things map to... and use the GNOME preference, rather than an fdi file.
[21:24] <wgrant> No idea.
[21:24] <megatog615> joshua1: the generic kernel fixes it
[21:24] <megatog615> so the rt kernel has a bug
[21:24] <joshua1> megatog615:so quite a simple thing, isn't it?
[21:25] <wgrant> What is the problem that you're seeing with -rt?
[21:25] <wgrant> It's known not to work properly on SMP machines, for example.
[21:26] <megatog615> and i know the problem
[21:26] <megatog615> rt worked fine on my system before
[21:26] <joshua1> megatog615:but?
[21:26] <zerny> wgrant: I will try it out and come report back if necessary. Will let it lay for today though, as I can hardly see the screen anymore (too tired). Thank you very much for your time and help!
[21:26] <megatog615> rt has config_smp is not set
[21:26] <wgrant> Intrepid -rt is very different, and was hastily put together.
[21:26] <megatog615> while generic has config_smp=y
[21:26] <wgrant> zerny: Great.
[21:27] <wgrant> megatog615: That's because -rt doesn't work properly on SMP now.
[21:27] <evan__> wgrant: how do i look the Right BusId up?
[21:27] <wgrant> evan__: I've no clue. Graphics drivers are evil and I generally keep away from thosee details.
[21:28] <wgrant> All my machines autodetect fine.
[21:28] <evan__> wgrant: you just leave that option away?
[21:28] <evan__> ok
[21:28] <evan__> :)
[21:28] <joshua1> megatog615:so then lots of fun with both of your cores
[21:28] <captainc> i have got to say, conduit is looking really good.
[21:29] <megatog615> well
[21:29] <evan__> wgrant: does it mean that if my ( detected ) ati card always says no signal on the monitor screen?
[21:29] <megatog615> any way i can get an update on when smp will work with the rt kernel?
[21:30] <wgrant> megatog615: The official word is to use the Hardy or perhaps Jaunty kernel.
[21:30]  * wgrant heads off to uni.
[21:33] <evan__> wgrant: how can i set my primairy deveice? because xorg is asking me that alot?
[21:35] <evan__> anyone?
[21:42] <mn> evan__ what primary device?
[21:44] <ruffZ> hi. i'm not getting a correct screen resolution until i manually edit xorg.conf
[21:49] <applecutter> hi, having problems with my iwl4965 after upgarde to intrepid
[21:49] <EnderTheThird> does x.org no longer use modelines if i enter one manually?  i tried one i found online for my Toshiba DLP, but it didn't change the resolution at all
[21:50] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, it works. that's what i had to do on my laptop
[21:51] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  it goes into the monitor section, right?
[21:51] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, just a second. let me open up my xorg.conf file
[21:51] <EnderTheThird> ruffz: can you pastebin your xorg for me, just so i can check?
[21:51] <ubuntu_> what size shoud have the / partition in a new install?
[21:51] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, sure thing
[21:52] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, http://pastebin.ca/1239035
[21:52] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  thanks
[21:53] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, ooops.. sorry ahah.. this is my desktop's configuration
[21:53] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, i'll get the notebook's xorg.conf file
[21:53] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  heh, i was about to ask where the modeline is
[21:53] <applecutter> while using hardy wpa2 connection worked well but after upgrade I don't see my network anymore
[21:56] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, ok there you go http://pastebin.ca/1239039
[21:57] <EnderTheThird> Oh, you just specified resolutions.  I mean something like "ModeLine "1744x984@60" 146.8 1744 1776 2280 2360 984 1004 1014 1034 +hsync +vsync"
[21:58] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, mmm.. well.. i used to have modelines on hardy but then i lost that file after upgrading to intrepid
[21:59] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  I see.
[21:59] <EnderTheThird> I just remember Intrepid is supposed to automate a lot of the manual stuff for X, so I'm not sure if it still takes manual modelines by default or if i need to change something for it to use it
[22:00] <ruffZ> EnderTheThird, interestingly, when i tried to use my old xorg.conf file with the modelines thing it just didn't work it was however a bug on the via driver i suppose
[22:00] <EnderTheThird> ruffz:  thanks for trying though
[22:00] <ruffZ> it's ok :)
[22:00] <EnderTheThird> anyone else know if i need to do something to convince X to use a modeline in Intrepid?
[22:00] <jean-martin> hello, is the ibex stable enough to be runned on a production machine ?
[22:01] <ruffZ> jean-martin, not really.. u'd better stick to hardy for a while, buddy
[22:01] <jean-martin> ruffZ, the problem is that my hardy messed up with today's update...
[22:01] <ubuntu_> jean-martin: with kde maybe yes.
[22:02] <ruffZ> now that's a problem... :S
[22:02] <EnderTheThird> anyone else able to run xvidtune in Intrepid?  I'm told it can't access the monitor or some such
[22:02] <ubuntu_> jean-martin: then install intrepid rc, look at the live cd first.
[22:03] <jean-martin> ruffZ, the problem : http://pastebin.com/m61bc2a95
[22:07] <jean-martin> ubottu, I'm on gnome... and the update even messed up the former kernel setting
[22:08] <aurel42> Anyone got an idea how to get audio with Java (Web Start) applications without starting them in a VirtualBox running Windows?
[22:08] <SpudUlike> Hi room.  Today's update of Intrepid has borked my system.  I think X is starting all right, I have a cursor and the trackpad moves it, but my Gnome session doesn't start.  Where do I look for reason behind this?
[22:09] <ruffZ> jean-martin, as far as my french goes.. i think i understood you're not being able to use themes as they don't show up properly, is that right?
[22:11] <ruffZ> jean-martin, try using a newly created user and check if everything works ok
[22:11] <EnderTheThird> no dice on modelines eh?  Intrepid seems to be ignoring the one i entered.
[22:22] <amortvigil> how can i checkif my videocard isnt broken?
[22:23] <crimsun> if you're able to use it for display output /at all/, then it's not completely broken
[22:24] <amortvigil> crimsin it never gives a signal on screen... ( its my second screen btw ) but ubuntu does recognize the hardware
[22:25] <crimsun> sorry, but I need to leave to teach class now.
[22:25] <crimsun> I would try isolating it as the primary display
[22:25] <crimsun> if you're attempting to use dualhead/twinview/xinerama/etc., check your configuration
[22:25] <alteregoa> amortvigil
[22:26] <alteregoa> just use windows to check
[22:26] <alteregoa> its ot complicated if weird errors happened
[22:27] <amortvigil> alteregoa: are the windows lives disks??:P
[22:28] <doggymenz> When will nvidia 71, 96, and 173 work on 8.10 ?
[22:28] <alteregoa> yes
[22:28] <alteregoa> baretp
[22:28] <alteregoa> bartpe or something
[22:28] <Tukon> hi all
[22:29] <Tukon> is there any way to prevent all the drawing artifacts when using firefox?
[22:29] <alteregoa> yeah, just polish the wires of the gfx plugs
[22:30] <Tukon> i'm guessing this is more a firefox xul problem than a kubuntu problem then... is that what you're saying?
[22:31] <amortvigil> alteregoa: yeah im downloading it
[22:32] <amortvigil> but those are for windows ppl isnt it?
[22:32] <alteregoa> yeah
[22:33] <amortvigil> alteregoa: can i use wine ?
[22:33] <alteregoa> with bartpe
[22:33] <alteregoa> i think that could work
[22:33] <alteregoa> you just need a windows disc
[22:34] <alteregoa> or a pirated copy
[22:34] <alteregoa> whatever
[22:35] <linuxpoet> o.k. anyone has any idea how to get intrepid to have sound?
[22:35] <linuxpoet> I am running a Dell 1535 Studio
[22:35] <linuxpoet> sound worked wonderfully in hardy
[22:35] <linuxpoet> now it is all gone
[22:36] <megatog615> well
[22:36] <megatog615> what exactly is executing pulseaudio?
[22:36] <Daekdroom> I'm going to stop being lazy and make a bug report about my problem with intrepid.. >.<
[22:36] <Tukon> linuxpoet: i had a possibly similar problem
[22:36] <linuxpoet> What do you mean executing pulseaudio?
[22:36] <linuxpoet> You mean like audacious?
[22:37] <megatog615> no
[22:37] <Tukon> linuxpoet: pcm audio volume was all the way down
[22:37] <megatog615> what causes pulseaudio to start when you log in
[22:37] <Tukon> linuxpoet: check alsamixer
[22:37] <megatog615> because i want to stop that from happening(i hate pa)
[22:38] <linuxpoet> megatog615: I assume : /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio
[22:38] <linuxpoet> Tukon: 100% over master
[22:39] <Tukon> pcm also at 100%? that's my only idea
[22:39] <Tukon> i just started using kubuntu this week
[22:39] <Tukon> lol
[22:39] <tapas> hi, korganizer really likes to crash here
[22:39] <tapas> especially when closing the program
[22:39] <tapas> and the daemon crashes right away
[22:40] <keithclark> Gotta say, Ubuntu 8.10 fail on a stock Compaq R4000 Laptop.  No wireless or graphics card recognition out of the box!  These are old items now that should have been corrected by now.
[22:42] <mneptok> keithclark: correct. by the people that made the wireless and graphics.
[22:43] <mneptok> keithclark: you know, like they did for Windows.
[22:43] <onthefence9281> when 8.10 comes out of beta, should i just do an upgrade? or do a fresh install?
[22:44] <keithclark> mneptok, no problem, just wanted to let everyone know.  ATI X200 has Linux drivers, just do not work out of the box for Ubuntru
[22:46] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: just do an upgrade
[22:46] <mneptok> keithclark: are these free, open source drivers?
[22:46] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: saves you the reconfiguring of the systems to your needs
[22:46] <RyanPrior> What is function call fortification? Google doesn't show anything useful.
[22:46] <onthefence9281> ds[de]: how much carries over?
[22:46] <keithclark> mneptok, I tried both.  Free and proprietary
[22:46] <mneptok> keithclark: does AMD/ATI allow their redistribution and full access to the source code? if not, they will never be in a default installation.
[22:46] <onthefence9281> ds[de]: or is it just a kernal upgrade?
[22:47] <alteregoa> heh how can i made my gadafi mirrors /root ? http://pastebin.com/d6d02d738
[22:47] <mneptok> onthefence9281: "kernel" :)
[22:47] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: I upgraded to 8.10RC a few hours ago and I downloaded approx. 900mb of packages on a clean, up-to-date 8.04
[22:48] <onthefence9281> ok
[22:49] <bsnider> mneptok, they have made documentation available, and pay open source devs, but the main work is being done at novell by luc verhaegen
[22:50] <onthefence9281> i'm thinking about buying some new harddrives for my laptop, is theer any chance that there might be a very easy back-up system that will transfer to 8.10? or do i need to manually get an app list and reinstall eevrything using apt-get?
[22:51] <keithclark> mneptok, no worries....maybe the next distro will work.  Not to mention hibernations.
[22:51] <ds[de]> onthefence9281: are you planning on replacing the disk ubuntu is installed on or just buying some additional HDDsß
[22:51] <onthefence9281> ds[de] i have a two harddrive system
[22:51] <alteregoa> there is no easy to use mirror utility
[22:51] <alteregoa> i need to mirror my system drive asap
[22:52] <onthefence9281> my /home is mostly on /dev/SDA
[22:52] <onthefence9281> and my kernel install in on sdbx
[22:52] <onthefence9281> is on*
[22:52] <onthefence9281> with some parts of /home on sdb1
[22:53] <onthefence9281> it's the result of a semi organic install from when i first tried ubuntu 8.04 from being a windows user
[22:57] <keithclark> Well, this is the fourth installation of Ubuntu that does not work with my video card or my wireless card.  Linux is the underdog and should not expect the large hardware drivers to write for it.  I tried and I've seen nothing really develop.  I think the hardware world is out running the software world when it comes to Linux and it will never catch up.  I have stuff that is two generations old and still do
[22:57] <keithclark> es not work.  Good luck in the future!
[23:01] <onthefence9281> keitheclark: i'm sorry but my ubuntu understood ALL of my laptop's hardware
[23:01] <onthefence9281> including the fingerprint scanner which i didn't expect
[23:01] <apw> keithclark: well those are the two hardest areas, the manufactuers refusing to give out any hardware specs for video hardware, and it being against the law to give out information on wireless cards
[23:01] <apw> you can't blame ubuntu for either
[23:01] <wgrant> Sure he can. People blame as for things that are much less our fault.
[23:04] <Daekdroom> What's the runlevel at the time of the boot where udev is ran?
[23:05] <keithclark> onthefence9281, I think that is great!  My stuff is some of the most common stuff on the market and still not supported properly.  In fact, the X200M even has a driver for Linux and it still does not work.
[23:05] <bsnider> wgrant, you mean like blaming ubuntu for ati/amd's incompetent buffoonery?
[23:05] <wgrant> bsnider: And nvidia's... and other things.
[23:06] <bsnider> nvidia makes the only good graphics driver for linux, so i certainly disagree with that statement
[23:07] <Daekdroom> I thought Intel had the best ones.
[23:07] <mado> oy guys ... hello there ...
[23:07] <mado> i have a problem with kubuntu 8.10rc ... can you help me please? ... thing is ...
[23:08] <mado> i downloaded the cd and installed it ...
[23:08] <marshtomp> hi
[23:08] <outbri> !ask > mado
[23:08] <marshtomp> is there any guarantee that all the issues currently existing with ubuntu 8.10 will be fixed in two days ?!?!?!!
[23:08] <bsnider> intel's driver has no hardware acceleration, although intel graphics chips are so powerless it hardly seems worth the bother
[23:08] <ds[de]> mado, it's easier for us if you ask your question in one piece
[23:08] <wificonfigger> sup y'all, I'm having a problem getting my ndiswrapper wireless card to connect to encrypted networks. Will ibex fix this?
[23:08] <mado> ok ds[de] ...
[23:09] <dug_> marshtomp: they'll keep posting fixes even after 8.10 is released
[23:09] <mado> after the installation ... i started the os and did some things ... for example ... tried to mark a folder ...
[23:09] <mado> this simple task took about a minute!
[23:10] <mado> and i don't know why
[23:10] <mado> so my question now ... how can this be?
[23:10] <mado> is it the hardware i am using?
[23:10] <mado> is there a problem with 8.10rc?
[23:10] <mado> ???
[23:10] <Daekdroom> There are a lot of problems.
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, yes, many problems
[23:11] <mado> ???
[23:11] <mado> pardon?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> So many problems that I can't boot it succesfully >.<
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, they will be fixed though
[23:11] <mado> :)
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, this is a RC
[23:11] <mado> yeah ... but how can this be?
[23:11] <mado> i mean ...
[23:11] <keithclark> mado, Wait a month
[23:11] <Daekdroom> The final release isn't stable, either.
[23:12] <bsnider> there aren't many issues left
[23:12] <Daekdroom> There are.
[23:12] <keithclark> mado, all will be well.  Same happened with 8.04
[23:12] <mado> i installed "8.04" with kde4 some time ago ... it was a test-run ... this went good
[23:12] <Daekdroom> Mostly to blame hardware for now.
[23:12] <mado> so my hardware is the problem?
[23:12] <amortvigil> how can i umount my home partition, so i can schrink it?
[23:13] <mado> or is it a generell hardware-problem?
[23:13] <Daekdroom> Well. Hardware compatibility.
[23:13] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... i see
[23:13] <keithclark> mado, no, your support for your hardware is.  It will eventually be supported.
[23:13] <Daekdroom> There are always a few problems, even after the release.
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> mado: uninstalling scim will probably fix it
[23:13] <mado> ?
[23:13] <mado> pardon me JontheEchidna ?
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> mado: uninstalling the scim package will probably fix your slowness problem
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> or at least, we have had reports of everything running slowly when scim is installed
[23:14] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... i will try that
[23:14] <mado> but not now :)
[23:14] <mado> i am happy with 8.04 at the moment and will try to install 8.10 tomorow ... i have more time then :)
[23:15] <keithclark> Why install 8.10 before it is ready?  It can wait
[23:15] <mado> and erm ... maybe it's just me but ... i am not so good at computer-stuff ... i thought "rc" means "nearly finished and almost "stable" "
[23:15] <bsnider> it's all but finished as is
[23:16] <mn> 8.10 is great!
[23:16] <bsnider> there were what? 6 updates today?
[23:16] <mado> keithclark, one word -> curiousness :)
[23:16] <keithclark> mado, understood.  Same as me!
[23:16] <mado> *laughing a bit*
[23:16] <WelshDragon> curiousity* =P
[23:16] <keithclark> mado, yeah, me too!
[23:16] <mado> :)
[23:17] <mado> WelshDragon, sorry ... english isn't my mother-tongue ... so i thought this would be the right word
[23:17] <keithclark> mado, worked for me.
[23:17] <mado> :)
[23:18] <mado> ok then ... so ... oy! ...
[23:18] <mado> does any one of you know "borland"-compiler?
[23:18] <_ykram> which one
[23:18] <mado> it a compiler for ... c and c++ as far as i know
[23:18] <mado> version 4
[23:18] <_ykram> ow thats old
[23:18] <mado> i don't know _ykram ...
[23:19] <mado> i'm asking because ...
[23:19] <_ykram> used it way back
[23:19] <mado> is there so much difference between this borlad-thing and gnu?
[23:19] <mado> because ... i need a compiler for programming some small stuff
[23:20] <ds[de]> mado: don't you mean gcc? ;)
[23:20] <mado> ds[de], ... yeah ... could be ...
[23:20] <mado> see? ... i'm not so good at computers :)
[23:20] <wgrant> A C compiler should be a C compiler.
[23:20] <wgrant> So it's worth a try.
[23:20] <mado> gcc ... yeah :)
[23:20] <_ykram> i used bcb for programs for work and all can say is quickest way to make a full program
[23:20] <q0r3> hey all.  i'm a little confused about this nvidia binary driver debacle with xorg 7.4.  as far as i can tell, everyone keeps saying it's nvidia's fault.  but they didn't change anything; xorg did.  why aren't people clamoring for xorg to be patched instead?
[23:20] <mado> well ok then but ... which one?
[23:21] <mado> there are so much gcc and g++ in my repository ... for each one there are 4
[23:21] <mado> and i only need one
[23:21] <_ykram> is to use bcb
[23:21] <wgrant> q0r3: Because Xorg needed to break ABI to introduce new functionality.
[23:21] <mado> bcb is also a compiler?
[23:21] <wgrant> q0r3: And every other video driver performed the trivial rebuild needed to get it to work.
[23:21] <ds[de]> mado: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[23:22] <dug_> mado: if you want a C or C++ IDE, you might check out options like anjuta, eclipse cdt, kdevelop, etc.
[23:22] <q0r3> wgrant, that makes it clearer, thanks.  what's abi?
[23:22] <dug_> code::blocks too
[23:22] <mado> dug_, ... i thought about "net beans" or something ... or just kate :)
[23:22] <ds[de]> q0r3: application binary interface
[23:22] <wgrant> q0r3: Application Binary Interface. It's what allows different libraries to talk to each other.
[23:22] <q0r3> +1 for code blocks
[23:22] <wgrant> Code::Blocks is good, but I dislike IDEs.
[23:22] <wgrant> It's the best I've found recently.
[23:23] <mado> build-essential ds[de] ?? why that one?
[23:23] <dug_> mado: i use netbeans, i forgot it does c/c++ too
[23:23] <q0r3> yeah, i use kate myself.  the embedded terminal is great.
[23:23] <mado> :)
[23:23] <mado> no problem dug_
[23:23] <wgrant> mado: That will install the stuff that you need to build basic C(++) programs.
[23:23] <ds[de]> mado: because it installs the tools necessary to compile stuff :o)
[23:23] <mado> :)
[23:23] <_ykram> anyone used the intel compiler ? any good ?
[23:24] <Certh> hi
[23:24] <wificonfigger> wait is ibex beta now, or rc?
[23:24] <Certh> who upgraded to intrepid?
[23:24] <mado> i love you guys and gals :)
[23:24] <wificonfigger> or same thing?
[23:24] <wgrant> wificonfigger: RC.
[23:24] <ds[de]> ^^
[23:24] <wificonfigger> nice nice!
[23:24] <mado> :)
[23:24] <wgrant> Well, more *ridiculously* close to final.
[23:25] <mado> really ... i am not drunk but i really enjoy it more and more being here
[23:25]  * wgrant enjoyed it more a couple of months ago when it was a bit quieter.
[23:25] <mado> wgrant, is it so noisy at the moment?
[23:25] <Certh> i want to couple
[23:27] <mado> well ... erm ... *thinking*
[23:27] <wificonfigger> wait so what nvidia drivers are affected? I think I use either "nvidia" or "nvidia-new" or something like that
[23:27] <q0r3> fglrx
[23:27] <q0r3> as well as the older binary drivers
[23:27] <Certh> people please help me with intrepid which is very buggy
[23:28] <mado> i thought it was called "nvidia-glx(-new)"
[23:28] <wificonfigger> I thought fglrx was for ati
[23:28] <marshtomp> mneptok!!!
[23:28] <mado> Certh, .... why not using 8.04 instead?
[23:28] <Certh> in first 10 minutes with intrepid i found i cant connect the internet, edit texts and shut down computer
[23:28] <mneptok> marshtomp: heya
[23:28] <q0r3> wificonfigger, you're right.  nvidia 71 and 96 series binary drivers don't work.
[23:28] <Certh> mado: i can't rollback now
[23:28] <wgrant> wificonfigger, q0r3: fglrx was fixed a couple of weeks ago. nvidia 71 and nvidia 96 are all that don't work right now.
[23:29] <mado> why is that?
[23:29] <wificonfigger> alright, so I'll be without hardware accelleration for a few days?
[23:29] <mado> you can nearly always go back a step
[23:29] <wgrant> nvidia says that they're working on it.
[23:29] <wgrant> mado: You can't downgrade.
[23:29] <wgrant> We'll hopefully be able to SRU the drivers when they finally appear.
[23:29] <mado> uhuu ... thanks wgrant ... didn't know that
[23:30] <bsnider> aaron plattner seems to think a 96 release is imminent
[23:30] <wificonfigger> so they weren't compatible with the new X.Org?
[23:30] <mado> erm ... my dear guys and gals ... i have to go away from my computer now ... for at least an hour ...
[23:30] <mado> thanks for your time and help
[23:31] <wgrant> wificonfigger: Still aren't, yes.
[23:31] <mado> see you :)
[23:31] <wgrant> Bye mado.
[23:31] <mado> erm ... before i go ...
[23:31] <mado> is it allowed to "/away" in here?
[23:32] <mado> because some channels don't like this
[23:32] <q0r3> #nvidia is silent about the issue
[23:32] <bsnider> silent about what issue?
[23:33] <wgrant> mado: You can go /away, but don't use the scripts that actually say stuff to the channel when it happens.
[23:33] <q0r3> updating the drivers to work with xorg
[23:34] <bsnider> nvidia's forums have recent posts by plattner and others saying they're close to releasing a 96 driver
[23:34] <jtisme> wgrant, what script are u referring to i am unaware of them
[23:35] <q0r3> bsnider, good to know.  wonder what 'close' means...
[23:35] <wgrant> jtisme: Some IRC clients have obnoxious scripts that pollute the channel with "/me is away" and "/me is back (gone HH:MM:SS)"
[23:35] <bsnider> close means probably not finished by intrepid's final release
[23:36] <q0r3> boo-urns.
[23:36] <wgrant> Users of those will have unprecedented torrents of hate sent to them.
[23:36] <jtisme> wgrant, ok thanks
[23:36] <wgrant> Intrepid is so frozen that they probably wouldn't be accepted now, anyway.
[23:36] <Daekdroom> probably? They wouldn't
[23:37] <wgrant> We are still accepting things.
[23:37] <wgrant> Albeit only critical fixes.
[23:37] <wgrant> But I doubt they'll let them in, as it would mean another respin of desktop and alternate CDs.
[23:37] <bsnider> knowledgeable users could still use dkms to install them, or nvidia-installer
[23:37] <wgrant> bsnider: Or click the button in jockey after we SRU things.
[23:37] <wgrant> Only clueless people are likely to use nvidia-installer.
[23:37] <wgrant> It's never a good idea.
[23:38] <Tux007> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[23:39] <Tux007> An now? How do i get it?
[23:39] <wgrant> Medibuntu != Ubuntu
[23:39] <wgrant> You want to ask them about that.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev do not modprobe a module? (blacklist doesn't work, apparently removing it from kernel tree neither)
[23:40] <amortvigil> how do i mount /dev/sda7 in livecd?
[23:40] <wgrant> Blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist works for me.
[23:40]  * wgrant disappears to test some ISOs.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> Is there a plan B, wgrant?
[23:40] <Tux007> I thought thats not important,,, To get a key is the same everywhere... - im noob - sorry
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Hmpf.
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Very evasive.
[23:44] <drog> intrepid still buggy?
[23:44] <bsnider> all software has bugs
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Is that a rethorical question?
[23:49] <WelshDragon> For nvidia cards you have nvidia-settings....Is there an alternative for ATI cards?
[23:50] <bsnider> catalyst control center
[23:50] <WelshDragon> Ahhh tyvm
[23:50] <bsnider> i think the command is "aticonfig" or something
[23:50] <bsnider> i don't use their craptacular junk though
[23:51] <WelshDragon> na netither do I, it's a mates =P Found the package in apt though =)
[23:55] <drog> Daekdroom, really, I haven't tried it yet
[23:56] <Daekdroom> drog: A few bugs. Most of them are related to hardware compatibility.
[23:56] <centaur5> How do you solve conflicting routes with the new network manager?
[23:57] <drog> Daekdroom, how's the general application performance? Getting past the hardware issues, is the system usable?
[23:57] <Daekdroom> drog: Yes
[23:57] <drog> good good