[02:00] <claudio__> sorry for the bad english
[02:00] <chris_> bizzare.. normally it wouldn't detect it.. it didn't do for me :)
[02:00] <chris_> are you sure that is it definately disabled?
[02:00] <Ephemeral> ToM, Ubuntu works with my SATA disk
[02:00] <Ephemeral> ToM, it sees it as SDA
[02:00] <claudio__> legacy onboard audio = disabled
[02:01] <ToM-> Ephemeral: does the installation want to use the whole disk? Because it sees the disk, but doesn't let me do the partitioning
[02:01] <duzchip> Heya
[02:01] <Riddell> norman: I don't use synaptic but you want this in your sources.list:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[02:01] <Ephemeral> ToM, no, it can co-exist with other Linux or M$
[02:02] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Weird, since it only gives me option to use soft-raid, or wipe the whole disk
[02:02] <claudio__> how i tell alsa to use the soundlaster?
[02:02] <Ephemeral> ToM, Make some space, then use "Guided Partitioning"
[02:02] <ToM-> Ephemeral: My harddisk already has linux on it
[02:03] <Ephemeral> ToM, What i do is leave 40GB free, then use the "use remaining free space option" and it does it auto
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: change warty to hoary if you want KDE 3.3.2
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <ToM-> Ephemeral: well it doesn't see any partitions. It just sees the driver but doesn't show any partitions
[02:03] <Ephemeral> ToM, what mobo, disk?
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: apt-get update && apt-get install kde-core
[02:04] <Ephemeral> ToM, I'm using DFI Nforce3, Seagate 7200.7 SATA
[02:04] <HappyFool> well, hoary is bleeding edge, isn't it?
[02:04] <neofeed> somewhat ;)
[02:05] <Ephemeral> whens Hoary go stable?
[02:05] <Ephemeral> roughly
[02:05] <ToM-> Ephemeral: A7N8X-E Deluxe
[02:05] <HappyFool> i'm not sure - i believe the release is in april (?)
[02:05] <fc_> where can I get php?
[02:05] <Ephemeral> ah
[02:05] <neofeed> when was warty released?
[02:05] <HappyFool> october
[02:06] <Ephemeral> is it possible to run XFCE in Warty?
[02:06] <jdub> neofeed: 4.10 == year.month :)
[02:06] <_4strO> fc_ > apt-get install appache2
[02:06] <neofeed> HappyFool, yep that makes warty be 5.4
[02:06] <fc_> oh
[02:06] <_4strO> fc_ > apt-get install apache2
[02:06] <neofeed> as far as I got.
[02:06] <ToM-> Ephemeral: and the drive is seagate
[02:06] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule -> for hoary
[02:06] <neofeed> jdub, do you really think I know what version I'm running ;)
[02:06] <jdub> neofeed: warty == 4.10, hoary will == 5.04
[02:07] <neofeed> jdub, ... ohh well padding with 0's
[02:08] <duzchip> I had to reinstall ubuntu today
[02:08] <duzchip> I could not get my x to work last night after upgrading to 5.04
[02:08] <duzchip> so i'm running 4.10 until 5.04 is stable
[02:08] <duzchip> or released atleast
[02:09] <ToM-> Ephemeral: I'll try installing again..
[02:09] <jdub> duzchip: probably worth upgrading at preview time, in march.
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, go for it
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, i used to have NF7-S
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, i had no troubles , same HD
[02:09] <ToM-> Other anoying things is, that usb-keybouard doesnt work with installation
[02:10] <fc_> _4strO, where is php installed then?
[02:10] <fc_> I dont use apache
[02:10] <_4strO> u dont want use ?
[02:11] <fc_> heh?
[02:11] <Ephemeral> ToM, have you definitley got the latest ISO image?
[02:11] <_4strO> /var/www/
[02:11] <duzchip> jdub: i'll see about it then. Now i just want a stable system
[02:11] <claudio__> alguien habla espaol?
[02:11] <HappyFool> try #ubuntu-es
[02:12] <_4strO> fc_ -> what u want do ?
[02:12] <_4strO> make some html/php pages ?
[02:12] <fc_> I want to use php on my webserver
[02:12] <fc_> but not apache
[02:12] <_4strO> erf
[02:12] <njs12345> fc_: erm
[02:12] <fc_> so i need the path of the php executable file
[02:12] <HappyFool> what webserver are you going to use?
[02:12] <ToM-> still no luck
[02:12] <fc_> abyss
[02:12] <jdub> fc_: install php4-cli
[02:13] <claudio__> need help with alsa
[02:13] <jdub> fc_: should be /usr/bin/php4 or /usr/bin/php
[02:13] <fc_> jdub, thnx
[02:13] <_4strO> oki i think it's in /etc/apache
[02:13] <_4strO> will look
[02:13] <jazzka> how can install a new font?
[02:13] <jdub> fc_: er, /usr/bin/php4-cgi
[02:14] <jdub> fc_: package is php4-cgi
[02:14] <jdub> jazzka: run application > type 'fonts:///', then drag'n'drop
[02:15] <claudio__> I have two sound cards how i choose which uses ubuntu?
[02:15] <njs12345> jdub: is there an openoffice 2.0 preview package yet?
[02:16] <odyssey> is skype spyware?
[02:16] <jdub> there have been uploads, but it hasn't finally built yet
[02:16] <fc_> jdub, its /usr/bin/php, but thank you, it works :)
[02:16] <jazzka> jdub, I havn't enough permissions
[02:16] <njs12345> odyssey: no, I don't think it has any spyware
[02:16] <jdub> jazzka: you do, fonts:/// installs into your home directory (the actual location is ~/.fonts/)
[02:16] <Xolt> does the ubuntu have a sshd on the livecd?
[02:17] <jdub> Xolt: no
[02:18] <ToM-> Ephemeral: same thing again
[02:18] <jdub> whiprush: ping
[02:19] <lyy> how do i disable ipv6 on ubuntu?
[02:19] <Xolt> i cant seem to find documentation on how to install ubuntu, do you know where i could get it?
[02:19] <lyy> Xolt: what's the problem?
[02:19] <Xolt> im trying to install ubuntu onto my harddisk
[02:20] <lyy> Xolt: i just installed ubuntu myself. all i did was create 2 partitions. the / partition and the swap partition
[02:20] <lyy> Xolt: the rest was just following the installation wizard
[02:20] <Xolt> installation wizard? It booted to the desktop
[02:21] <nokia6000> i just joined #xyz1234 earlier, then use xchat's "Window>Channel List" set minimium to 1 and max to 5; but i did not see #xyz1234 showed up.
[02:21] <ogra> Xolt: are you sure you didnt use the livecd ?
[02:21] <nokia6000> do i have to register a channel?
[02:21] <Xolt> i used the livecd
[02:21] <lyy> Xolt: that's the reason why
[02:21] <Xolt> how can i install from the livecd?
[02:21] <jdub> Xolt: support > documentation > howto on the website
[02:21] <jdub> Xolt: you can't
[02:21] <ogra> Xolt: you cant
[02:22] <Xolt> then how the heck do i install ubuntu?
[02:22] <carambol> install cd
[02:23] <Xolt> so i need to download the other i386 image and use that instead of the livecd?
[02:23] <lyy> dam that sucks. no qt on ubuntu
[02:23] <Ephemeral> Xolt, Yeah
[02:23] <ToM-> Ephemeral: it doesn't detect any partitions on my drive
[02:24] <ogra> lyy: just install it, its in universe
[02:24] <jdub> qt is in main
[02:24] <Ephemeral> ToM, You only have 1 disk right?
[02:24] <lyy> ogra: i'm still kinda new on how to install packages on ubuntu. i was told rpms and some other stuff..
[02:24] <ogra> jdub: thank (never using it)
[02:24] <ToM-> Ephemeral: yes, and the ISO was downloaded and burned yesterday.
[02:24] <jdub> lyy: qt is not installed by default, but it's available for install. it's in main, which means that it's supported.
[02:24] <ToM-> But when I used expert installation, it complained something about missing IDE drivers
[02:24] <ogra> lyy: in your computer menu look for synaptic
[02:25] <Ephemeral> ToM, Who makes the SATA Controller? Silicon Image? , I'd do a google to see if your SATA Controller is supported
[02:25] <jdub> lyy: if you run synaptic, supported packages are very obvious - they're marked with an ubuntu logo.
[02:25] <ToM-> Ephemeral: you mean supported by kernel?
[02:26] <Ephemeral> ToM, Yeah
[02:26] <ToM-> Ephemeral: It is
[02:26] <Ephemeral> ToM, Thats wierd
[02:26] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Mandrake 10.0 & 10.1 works just fine
[02:26] <norman> im sorry for naging, but howtheheck do i boot kde? :P
[02:27] <jdub> when you run gdm, click sessions and choose kde.
[02:27] <claudio__> how i prevent a module from loading??
[02:27] <tuhl> anybody got the acrobat 7 beta for Linux?
[02:27] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Oh well I have to go and let some steam out. ;) I'll look into this more this evening
[02:27] <Phineas> claudio, there's a blacklist file, search the forums
[02:27] <Ephemeral> ToM, ok ToM
[02:27] <ogra> claudio__: add the modulename to the file /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:27] <claudio__> thanks
[02:27] <norman> umh? gdm? im sorry, i used to have suse. then i didnt need all that :P
[02:27] <fc_> where can I get kernel-source for warty?
[02:28] <Phineas> yeah, that's the file ogra
[02:28] <jdub> fc_: apt-cache search linux-source
[02:28] <Phineas> norman, when you boot up and see the login screen, that's gdm
[02:28] <jdub> fc_: then you'll find the package name for your kernel
[02:28] <norman> ok, thanks. trying
[02:28] <Phineas> k
[02:34] <xoxoxo> hello
[02:35] <Phineas> howdy
[02:35] <xoxoxo> i want to mount a file as loopback device, and in READONLY mode. anybody please tell me which command to use? i tried "mount -o loop -o ro rootfs /mnt", but it doesnt work ?
[02:38] <HappyFool> xoxoxo: have you done "sudo modprobe loop"
[02:39] <HappyFool> loopback support is a module on ubuntu, not loaded by default
[02:41] <vapz> try "mount -o loop,ro <filename> <mountdir>"
[02:41] <vapz> and of course you should be root or have privileges to mount everything
[02:42] <fc_> jdub, about that kernel-source, where is it?
[02:42] <fc_> i only see a tar in /usr/src
[02:42] <jdub> fc_: it's called linux-source-*
[02:42] <fc_> should i extract that tar?
[02:42] <jdub> yes, that's the source code, dude. :)
[02:43] <zido> is there any program in Linux that can view quicktime movies?
[02:44] <ogra> zido: try vlc
[02:44] <jdub> zido: xine (ie. totem-xine) with w32codecs installed
[02:44] <Phineas> xmms should play it...
[02:44] <Phineas> well, with the xmmplayer plugin
[02:45] <piratePenguin> I want my isdn devices to be created automatically so they're there when I needa connect to the internet... where should I put the mknod commands (what init/config file?)? (or is there another (better) way to set it up?)
[02:45] <norman> yay \o/
[02:45] <Phineas> glad it worked norman
[02:46] <norman> :D
[02:46] <ogra> piratePenguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[02:46] <giard> is there a bugzilla-type place for ubuntu hoary?
[02:46] <zido> jdub: totem-xine plays it, but the sound and picture is pretty messed up :P
[02:47] <jdub> giard: normal bugzilla
[02:47] <njs12345> giard: try bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:47] <piratePenguin> orga: omg, there's an isdn howto! If I seen that myself earlier on it'd have saved me a *lot* of time heh... thanks alot
[02:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: :)
[02:48] <juan> hi guyz where can I download xcompmgr deb? cause daniels haven't the deb on his page
[02:48] <juan> :P
[02:48] <jdub> juan: hoary
[02:49] <norman> hihihi, downloading kdegames :D
[02:49] <norman> now i just have to get ati working :S
[02:49] <juan> ? I use hoary, I searched xcompmgr and it's not on hoary :/ jdub
[02:50] <juan> juan@love:~ $ sudo apt-cache search xcompmgr >> juan@love:~ $
[02:50] <juan> :/
[02:50] <ogra> juan: do you have universe enabled ?
[02:50] <no0tic> norman: do you have hoary?
[02:50] <juan> oh no, sorry :P
[02:50] <norman> mh. think so
[02:51] <norman> i wrote hoary after the urlthingie
[02:51] <juan> ogra, hoary upgrade changed my sources.list :P
[02:51] <norman> why?
[02:51] <juan> XD
[02:51] <no0tic> no0tic: if you want help setting up ati drivers...
[02:51] <norman> :)
[02:51] <poolio> Can someone help me with ppc install?
[02:51] <juan> I like the new visualition of the fonts in xorg, it rocks :D cool :)
[02:51] <no0tic> norman: : if you want help setting up ati drivers...
[02:52] <poolio> I am trying to mount my iPod (an scsi device) during install
[02:52] <poolio> How can I do it, is it possible?
[02:52] <Phineas> during install?
[02:52] <Phineas> do you mean during bootup?
[02:54] <ogra> norman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:54] <diod> Hi all
[02:54] <diod> I have a pb with the Ubuntu LiveCD
[02:55] <Phineas> ok
[02:56] <diod> After a few seconds/minutes, the display goes weird : there are stripes and I can't do anything more ..
[02:56] <diod> The only solution I then have is to hard reboot
[02:58] <diod> has anyone met this problem before ?
[02:58] <Phineas> diod, I haven't. Does it occur in any other OS?
[02:58] <poolio> I'm back, sorry.
[02:58] <poolio> I am trying to mount my ipod after booting the install. I switch to a virtual console but don't know which device to mount.
[02:59] <poolio> dmesg says it is sda but I don't see any sda in /dev
[02:59] <diod> Phineas: Nope, I have a Debian/Win2k otherwise on that box and it's quite stabla ..
[02:59] <Phineas> diod, then it sounds like it is a video driver problem... but I really can't be sure.
[03:00] <poolio> Anyone?
[03:00] <poolio> No ppcers here?
[03:00] <spockstar> ma111 usb detected at boot ,but not listed with ifconfig what do i need to do ????
[03:00] <diod> Phineas: ok, but what can I pass at boot to overcome it ?
[03:00] <Phineas> poolio, have you checked the forums?
[03:00] <poolio> no
[03:00] <Phineas> go search the forums, there's a good number of threads when I search for ipod
[03:01] <Phineas> diod, I don't know. You'll have to play around with it.
[03:01] <lyy> i have an ipod photo 40gig
[03:01] <lyy> anyone know if there's an ipod interface in linux besides using wine?
[03:03] <diod> Phineas: is the Ubuntu liveCd based on Morphix ?? Unfortunately, there is not much on either the Ubuntu or the Morphix site
[03:04] <poolio> Phineas, I don't see anything
[03:04] <diod> Phineas: it would be good to have a list of all the available boot options somewhere
[03:04] <poolio> That is useful to me
[03:04] <poolio> the /dev tree is different in windows
[03:04] <Phineas> diod, Yes it is based on the morphix.
[03:04] <lyy> does ubuntu use ipv6 out of the box?
[03:04] <lyy> i would like to turn it off
[03:05] <Phineas> lyy, yes I do believe it is enabled initially.
[03:05] <Phineas> poolio, alright, gimme a minute and let me see if I can find something for you
[03:05] <lyy> Phineas: is there a way to turn it off? or do i have to do some hack job to turn it off?
[03:05] <poolio> Thanks, I mean it says that I should "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[03:05] <poolio> But there is no /dev/sda* on the ppc dev tree
[03:06] <Phineas> lyy, yes there is, hold on for me
[03:06] <eli> HELP: configuring network printer (hp 4500)
[03:06] <fc_> poolio, do you use usb of firewire?
[03:06] <usual> If I was new to linux and saw this posted as ubuntu, I would prolly never try ubuntu http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/19934-1.jpg
[03:06] <lyy> Phineas: ok i'm also look at the ubuntulinux.com website for info
[03:06] <poolio> USB
[03:07] <fc_> the iPod only works with firewire
[03:07] <poolio> This system doesn't have firewire.
[03:07] <fc_> well, thats what i found out
[03:07] <poolio> It works fine in Gentoo.
[03:07] <Phineas> lyy, well I know how to disable it in Firefox, is that what you're looking for?
[03:07] <fc_> oh
[03:07] <Phineas> poolio, have you looked into gtkpod?
[03:07] <lyy> Phineas: in all routing
[03:07] <poolio> Phineas: No, that doesn't matter
[03:07] <poolio> I need to do this from the Install CD
[03:08] <Phineas> lyy, okay, lemme look again.
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys .... i have a Sata (Westrern Digital 200gb) hd and it seems that you can mount your partitions at the boot time using fstab cause drivers for sata wasn't loaded ... but if you log into X then by mount -a everything works fine
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> any clues?
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> how can  i make this mount at the bot time?
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> boot
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[03:09] <lyy> hmm. initial firefox is out of datte
[03:09] <Phineas> lyy, look in /etc/modutils/alias and you should find 'alias ipv6' and toggle (comment or uncomment whichever may be)
[03:09] <lyy> date
[03:09] <lyy> Phineas: ok found it
[03:09] <Phineas> lyy, and yes FF is out of date. Check the forums how-tos for how to get it from the Ubuntu Backports project
[03:09] <poolio> This might help
[03:10] <lyy> ok
[03:10] <Phineas> Zze: Add a script to boottime?
[03:10] <eli> HELP: anybody has experience with setting a network printer (printer with IP address)?
[03:10] <maliks>  Hi everyone! Right now in urgent mode. I have by mistake deleted the /etc/init.d/samba file! Reinstalling samba doesn't get back the file! What do I do? Urgent please!
[03:11] <poolio> Phineas, this might help, I get "Got unsupported event type "scsi_device"
[03:11] <poolio> Got unsupported event type "block
[03:11] <Xander> hello
[03:11] <Xander> :-)
[03:11] <poolio> "scsi" "scsi_host"
[03:11] <maliks> kindly help as I cant access my Win Server now as I have by mistake deleted /etc/init.d/samba file! And reinstalling samba isn't getting the file back :( Please help Thanks in advance
[03:12] <Phineas> poolio, sorry man, you've reached the end of my knowledge for that sort of thing. I'd just begin googling and such to see what you can find.
[03:12] <Phineas> maliks, we saw it the first time, no need to say it twice
[03:12] <fc_> poolio, I think that if you buy a firewire card it really works better
[03:12] <juan> hi guyz, I installed xcompmgr, and I did: xcompmgr -c   but nothing happens and says: No composite extension, how can I fix that?? :D
[03:12] <fc_> my iPod works with firewire
[03:13] <lyy> looks like i mistyped my root password. how do i go about resetting the root password?
[03:13] <wezzer> umm, there is no root password in ubuntu
[03:13] <poolio> fc_ I'm not buying a firewire card.
[03:13] <lyy> no wonder
[03:13] <lyy> so..how do i do root stuff?
[03:13] <maliks> can anyone give his or her /etc/init.d/samba file ???? or help me make one? [really sorry phineas but i am in a soup and it is way urgent!]
[03:13] <wezzer> if you want to be root, type sudo su root
[03:13] <Phineas> lyy, sudo is the key
[03:13] <wezzer> and then type your own password
[03:13] <lyy> damn
[03:13] <wezzer> or, you can use sudo
[03:13] <lyy> i don't like sudo
[03:14] <wezzer> sudo shutdown -r now
[03:14] <wezzer> for example
[03:14] <piratePenguin> weezzer: I did "sudo passwd" and changed the root password... now I have a root pw.. is there something wrong with this?
[03:14] <poolio> You definitely need to use sudo.
[03:14] <wezzer> lyy: then use sudo su root
[03:14] <poolio> It is insecure to run su
[03:14] <lyy> i'll sudo rm -rf /
[03:14] <maliks> anyone please help me!
[03:14] <maliks> :(
[03:15] <wezzer> piratePenguin: no
[03:15] <Phineas> maliks, stupidity on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. I'm trying to find info so I can help. Please take a chill pill.
[03:15] <piratePenguin> wezzer: oh, thanks
[03:15] <usual> Phineas, easy man
[03:15] <maliks> Ok thanks Phineas
[03:15] <maliks> I will wait
[03:15] <maliks> Ok waiting
[03:15] <AndyR> lo ppl
[03:15] <maliks> with hope
[03:15] <poolio> YAY
[03:15] <poolio> I got it working.
[03:15] <lyy> i think it's dumb
[03:15] <poolio> I insmodded the entire kernel module tree.
[03:15] <lyy> you sudo and type in your own password
[03:15] <usual> haha
[03:16] <lyy> that's gotta be the stupidest thing
[03:16] <Demitar> lyy, it's simple: sudo passwd; su -c "apt-get remove sudo"
[03:16] <maliks> btw phineas do u have a working /etc/init.d/samba file? will it be the same for me?
[03:16] <jdub> lyy: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo for more information as to why it's not "stupid"
[03:16] <Phineas> maliks, that's what I'm looking for
[03:16] <maliks> oops ok :)
[03:16] <maliks> Thanks phineas
[03:17] <maliks> Phineas: are you looking out for the file or r u looking out whether it will be the same or not ?
[03:17] <lyy> jdub: they are assuming we are stupid people and want to "protect" use from ourselves with having us use sudo. this feels very much like a m$ tactic
[03:17] <Phineas> maliks: Check out http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/hints/2003-July/000525.html and see if that helps you
[03:17] <Demitar> maliks, the "simple" way is to download the samba .deb (which you apparently have) and extract the file from there. (Either using midnight commander (mc) or using ar and tar.)
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: it's a more sensible idea
[03:18] <maliks> phineas: ok checking out the link
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: sudo is better because you do less things as root
[03:18] <jdub> lyy: er, dude...? it's a basic compartmentalisation security tactic.
[03:18] <Demitar> lyy, su leads to a lot of root consoles lying about.
[03:18] <zAo^> Who can advise me? I Have a ATI radeon 9600 PRO, but it is laggy (DRI is on).  :D
[03:20] <zAo^> HrdwrBoB, thanks. Never ATI for me agian. I'll wait..
[03:20] <Phineas> lyy, then use su, no one is stopping you ;)
[03:20] <jdub> lyy: read the page i linked to above.
[03:20] <Demitar> lyy, consider the case where there are more than one person with elevated privileges.
[03:20] <no0tic> juan: you have to enable composite extension
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Demitar: not to mention the case where there's one, and they should only need one password
[03:20] <AndyR> are the hoary snapshot iso's really updated on a sunday? :)
[03:20] <no0tic> juan: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[03:21] <no0tic> juan: add Section "Extensions"
[03:21] <zAo^> how many fps in fgl_gears is normal for a R9600 Pro?
[03:21] <juan> oka thanks
[03:21] <juan> :P
[03:21] <ogra> AndyR: the isos are updated automatically.....
[03:21] <maliks> thanks demitar, that worked now how do i make it executable so that it runs everytime I switch on my Computer?
[03:21] <poolio> Phineas: For future reference if anyone asks, tell them to insmod the entire module tree.
[03:21] <maliks> And thanks phineas too
[03:21] <Demitar> HrdwrBoB, still one password can be slightly treacherous since cleartext passwords aren't quite eradicated yet.
[03:21] <Phineas> maliks, you're welcome - sorry for getting snippy
[03:21] <AndyR> orga, i had wondered :)
[03:21] <Demitar> maliks, chmod +x /etc/init.d/samba
[03:21] <Phineas> poolio, will do
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Demitar: though we're talking about a desktop system for the most part
[03:22] <ogra> AndyR: the question is if someone made significant changes you will notice ;)
[03:22] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: *cough*
[03:22] <lyy> Demitar: i just don't like groups with admin power except for root
[03:22] <AndyR> like all broke
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> and a server system has less things that are likely to be plaintext
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> (in theory)
[03:22] <Demitar> maliks, but wether it's run is really run is controlled by /etc/rc.*/*
[03:23] <jdub> lyy: root is generally regarded as a bad centralisation of privileges.
[03:23] <lyy> jdub: explain why having only one person have admin powers is bad
[03:23] <jdub> lyy: ah, this is a different problem
[03:23] <duzchip> Anyone know how to start coding a terminal ?
[03:24] <Demitar> lyy, sudo doesn't dictate any policy on that matter.
[03:24] <jdub> lyy: root being superuser doesn't mean 'only one person has admin powers'. :)
[03:24] <AndyR> ogra, well i have done a daily on this comp and it seems ok so i will take my chances
[03:24] <duzchip> I wanna code my own rxtv or xterm or such
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: i'mt not going to let anyone on my system but me.
[03:24] <duzchip> buy i dont know how to start
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: i didn't say that
[03:24] <poolio> Phineas: By the way, "sda" is in /dev/scsi/hostX/bus0/target0/lun0/partX
[03:24] <jdub> lyy: awesome, so disabling the root account is sensible :)
[03:24] <Demitar> duzchip, do you have a good reason or just, "that would be fun"? :)
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: regardless of who has su powers, i feel there should only be 1.
[03:25] <jdub> lyy: on a default ubuntu install, only the first created user has full sudo privileges, and the root account is disabled. this is a better state of affairs.
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> ok well I have to go to bed - fiance whinges I spend more time on a computer than with her (which is true)
[03:25] <ogra> AndyR: go on :)
[03:25] <jdub> lyy: and means you're explicitly defining the policy you've just outlined.
[03:25] <lyy> jdub: i have to disagree. but to each their own.
[03:26] <piratePenguin> hrm.. I did 'adduser $USER dip', as instructed on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto (I've su'd to root already) ... is that a mistake? when I look in /etc/passwd there is no dip user... should it just be 'adduser dip' ?
[03:26] <Demitar> lyy, but that doesn't scale in many real-world cases.
[03:26] <lyy> Demitar: i guess i'm just kinda ..annoyed
[03:27] <jdub> lyy: this is hardly something to be annoyed about.
[03:27] <gt500> backiez :D
[03:27] <lyy> Demitar: i don't really like to have groups created with certain privillages without my say so by default.
[03:27] <jdub> lyy: the full sudo privilege is assigned to a user, not a group.
[03:28] <lyy> ah i see
[03:28] <lyy> i guess i need more time in the manual with sudo
[03:28] <jdub> lyy: also, you would not be able to perform administrative functions on the system without a user having administrative rights.
[03:28] <jdub> at some stage, we will switch the default to a group, ala wheel.
[03:28] <lyy> i'm just so used to using su -
[03:28] <lyy> now i can't
[03:28] <jdub> but again, only one user will be added to that group
[03:28] <lyy> and it's a big change
[03:28] <jdub> so, better to learn why instead of lashing out :)
[03:28] <jdub> read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:29] <nevyn> yeah I have the prescribed text.
[03:29] <lyy> nah, i just want to uninstall it
[03:29] <lyy> i don't need sudo
[03:29] <nevyn> arrg ww
[03:29] <RickA> hi all
[03:29] <Demitar> lyy, if you really want it I told you how to do that from the beginning. ;-)
[03:29] <RickA> i've just installed Ubuntu, and I have a few questions
[03:29] <Phineas> RickA, ask away
[03:30] <lyy> it's kinda cool tho. irssi was installed by default. most distro's don't have that
[03:30] <lyy> hehe
[03:30] <RickA> I've just mounted two Fat32 partitions under /mnt/documents and /mnt/storage
[03:30] <RickA> if I browse them in nautilus, there's a small lock on the folders
[03:30] <RickA> I was wondering what that meant
[03:30] <usual> no permission
[03:30] <Demitar> RickA, readonly.
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> that means you can't write to the documents
[03:30] <RickA> that's what I thought. How can I change that?
[03:31] <wrd> i have a quick question
[03:31] <wrd> how is the versioning system in ubuntu
[03:31] <RickA> it seems that I can write to the root of those partitions, but not to subdirectories
[03:31] <wrd> as i see in the packages-dists directory
[03:31] <wrd> there are hoary and warty
[03:31] <jdub> RickA: because fat32 doesn't understand multiple users, you have to mount it for your user - use uid=1000,gid=1000 in the fstab options
[03:31] <Demitar> lyy, since I now have more diskspace than I need the ubuntu way is preferable to the close scrunity on what packages I have installed I usually keep in debian with aptitude.
[03:31] <kbrooks> hiw do i use update-rc.d? i want a minimal example
[03:31] <wrd> which one is stable and whichone is unstable ?
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: year.month -> 4.10 == 2004.october
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> wrd: warty is stable
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is unstable
[03:32] <Phineas> wrd, each edition is given a name. Warty was the initial release, and hoary is the currently unstable one
[03:32] <wrd> thanks
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: hoary (will be 5.04) is the current devel branch
[03:32] <wrd> does anyone know wheter debian-ubuntu mixing works , or better said how well ?
[03:32] <kbrooks> wrd: DONT
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: we strongly discourage it - just use universe and multiverse :)
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> wrd: it's not recommended at al
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> *all
[03:32] <RickA> is the gid=1000 important? I've got the uid there already
[03:33] <jdub> RickA: yeah
[03:33] <Demitar> kbrooks, the manpage has some examples.
[03:33] <RickA> ok
[03:33] <wrd> the only package i want is X.org 6.8.x
[03:33] <RickA> so I just add the options, umount and mount?
[03:33] <jdub> wrd: not worth the pain.
[03:33] <jdub> RickA: yep
[03:33] <wrd> compiling myself is much more pain ;)
[03:33] <nir> anyone noticed that the language list in the installer is NOT sorted?
[03:34] <nir> at least in Hebrew
[03:34] <jdub> wrd: well, upgrade to the devel branch and help us test, or stick to the stable, supported release.
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> wrd either go with hoary or use xfree until it comes out stable
[03:34] <jdub> nir: good bug :)
[03:34] <nir> could it be that the English list is translated as is?
[03:34] <wrd> the thing is i already have installed debian
[03:34] <RickA> no luck, the locks are still there
[03:35] <kbrooks> RickA, when you mount a fat32 partition, the keernel assigns an arbitrary uid and guid to all the files residing in the partition.
[03:35] <RickA> I'll reboot in a moment, see if that effects anything
[03:35] <RickA> ah
[03:35] <kbrooks> RickA, did you umount and mount?
[03:35] <RickA> yes
[03:35] <lyy> i ran glxgears and got 449 frames in 5.0 seconds = 89.800 FPS
[03:35] <lyy> is that pretty good or sad?
[03:35] <giard> lyy: sad
[03:36] <lyy> wtf
[03:36] <RickA> nope, there definately there
[03:36] <kbrooks> RickA, ...*adding to what i said about the kernel* effectively forcing you to mount and umount (?) as root
[03:36] <giard> lyy: what setup are you running?
[03:36] <lyy> i got a 256 graphics card with 640 ram
[03:36] <RickA> i did 'sudo mount /dev/hda2'
[03:36] <lyy> i got a 650 mhz system
[03:36] <RickA> and umount the same
[03:37] <RickA> i could try mount /mnt/documents?
[03:37] <linux-rulz> my Limewire is locking up occasionally and freezing, but it didn't do this under suse, i also tried two different JVMs and it still wouldnt work
[03:37] <kbrooks> RickA, mount -o remount, rw /dev/device
[03:37] <kbrooks> try that
[03:37] <RickA> sudo or not?
[03:37] <kbrooks> and you need to reopen nautiulus
[03:37] <kbrooks> sudo, yeah.
[03:37] <Xander> i ran glxgears and got: 7182.800 FPS
[03:37] <RickA> device should be hda2 I guess?
[03:38] <nir> do I need a separate account for ubuntu bugzilla and the community site?
[03:38] <piratePenguin> I can't get connected to isdn... http://rafb.net/paste/results/xv5Gbg93.html ... I'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto and it won't work
[03:38] <lyy> Xander: what's your setup?
[03:38] <kbrooks> RickA, JUST A EXAMPLE.
[03:38] <RickA> yeah, ok
[03:38] <kbrooks> RickA, fill the device in.
[03:38] <kbrooks> nir, iirc yes
[03:38] <RickA> it says:  you must specify the filesystem type
[03:38] <kinema> Does Ubuntu use the DI for its installer?  Are there any docs on installing on a nonsupported FS like Reiser4.
[03:38] <Demitar> kbrooks, please don't shout. It hurts my eyes. :)
[03:38] <kbrooks>  -t fat32, just before -o
[03:39] <Xander> ath XP 1600+ 256 ram and GeForce 4 with 8x agp
[03:39] <kbrooks> mount -t fat32 ...
[03:39] <lyy> Xander: maybe ubuntu didn't configure my nvidia card correctly?
[03:39] <Xander> it`s possible
[03:39] <Ng> is anyone rebuilding the marillat repository against ubuntu? I can't install a bunch of packages from it because of dependency problems
[03:40] <RickA> it says '/dev/hda2 not mounted already, or bad option'
[03:40] <RickA> I can browse it in nautilis,so I know it's mounted already
[03:40] <Demitar> Xander, if I hide the glxgears window completely I get 2200 fps, does that count? ;-)
[03:40] <kbrooks> RickA, delete the -o option.
[03:40] <kbrooks> mount -t fat32 /dev/device
[03:40] <Xander> lyy: see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9289
[03:40] <lyy> brb. gotta reset my screen size. ubuntu's default is so freaking..high
[03:41] <Xander> i think ubuntu is great.. :-)
[03:41] <kbrooks> Xander, me too.
[03:41] <superted> kbrooks, me too.
[03:41] <kbrooks> heh.
[03:41] <RickA> that's not working
[03:41] <RickA> I get the help for mount
[03:42] <RickA> 'sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/hda2' is what I did
[03:42] <Demitar> I think ubuntu sucks.
[03:42] <Demitar>  Oh.. wait we were, praising it. I think ubuntu is great.
[03:42] <svenl> Mmm, are CD not supposed to be auto-mounted in ubuntu ? Or what else is the nautilus-window-popup when hand mounting usefull for ?
[03:42] <Xander> now i think about adding kadu to ubuntu repository
[03:42] <svenl> Demitar: get the real thing, namely debian :)
[03:42] <kbrooks> RickA, specify the folder you are mounting it on.
[03:42] <lyy> jdub: oh yeah now i know why i'm annoyed with sudo. i don't have access to root without using sudo initially.
[03:42] <RickA> yep, just saw that
[03:43] <RickA> now it's saying fat32 not supported by kernel
[03:43] <RickA> replace it with vfat?
[03:43] <lyy> Xander: thanks for the link
[03:43] <jdub> lyy: that's quite the point.
[03:43] <Demitar> svenl, never! I just switched from there! :) And besides, I had to upgrade to hoary within 24h to get ocaml 3.08. :)
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: he.
[03:44] <Demitar> And I suspect you are the famous Super-OCaml-Maintainer-Man I keep seeing om caml-list. :)
[03:44] <scizzo> Demitar: ;)
[03:44] <kbrooks> lyy, you don't have access to root without using 'sudo su' or 'sudo -s -H' because the ubuntu development team decided that it is hard to maintain a root password, lest forget it
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: that is loosy, ocaml 3.08 was in debian since august or so.
[03:44] <kent> Is discover used in warty/hoary? I never understood if hotplug and discover does the same thing.. ?
[03:44] <HappyFool> to use libc6-dbg do I do "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug" ?
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: i am indeed. Just the ocaml maintainer though, been ages since i did real ocaml programing.
[03:44] <jdub> svenl: warty froze in june.
[03:45] <kbrooks> discover is a commandline hardware detection utility.
[03:45] <RickA> if I replace fat32 with vfat I get foot icons instead of folders in nautilus
[03:45] <jdub> kent: discover is briefly used in the warty installer
[03:45] <jdub> kent: but other than that, we're hotplug all the way.
[03:45] <kbrooks> hotplug - Linux hotplugging support scripts
[03:45] <buga> w
[03:45] <kbrooks> copying and pasting
[03:46] <kent> jdub, so hoary will not use it? or will it be used in that installer aswell? i upgraded to hoary using apt, so i didn't see the hoary installer :(
[03:46] <jdub> kent: don't think it does, no.
[03:46] <wrd> what is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[03:47] <Demitar> wrd, multiverse has restrictive licenses.
[03:47] <jdub> wrd: universe is like debian main (all free software), multiverse is like debian contrib/non-free.
[03:47] <RickA> kbrooks: any other ideas?
[03:48] <Demitar> It's neat that we are all so eager to answer questions people usually get 2-3 answers. :)
[03:48] <wrd> thanks very much
[03:49] <RickA> :D
[03:49] <wrd> youre a great help
[03:49] <wrd> understandig the strange names of ubuntu :)
[03:50] <Demitar> I just realized I know annoyingly much about ubuntu specifics for having installed it on friday. It tells me I've gotten far too little code written.. :)
[03:51] <_4strO> est un mod ?
[03:51] <svenl> jdub: ah.
[03:53] <wrd> can someone give me a sources.list statement for ubuntu ?
[03:54] <kerskine> good morning from boston
[03:55] <kbrooks> wrd: warty?
[03:55] <kbrooks> hoary?
[03:55] <wrd> hoary
[03:55] <seth_slackware> hey
[03:55] <jdub> kerskine: nice'n'warm there, i hear. :)
[03:55] <wrd> deb http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[03:55] <kbrooks> ok. i'll send you one, but wy o you want to upgrade to hoary?
[03:56] <kbrooks> why* do*
[03:56] <wrd> i wanna get x.org
[03:56] <kbrooks> that all?
[03:56] <kerskine> jdub: yeah - as long as you stay indoors :)
[03:56] <wrd> jep
[03:56] <kbrooks> nope, sorry, not sending you it.
[03:56] <wrd> whats the reason ?
[03:56] <kerskine> jdub: I let the dog out this morning and she disappeared into a snow drift
[03:56] <jdub> kerskine: toasty hot here in sydney, australia. even at 2am. :)
[03:57] <eCreations> hey does anyone have some screenshots of this "ubuntu" ?
[03:57] <kbrooks> the reason: wanting a development version of ubuntu "just because you want xorg" is not a good reason.
[03:57] <olorin> jdub, kerskine , here just coffee break in Belgium :p
[03:57] <macewan> eCreations: head over to the forums
[03:57] <jdub> eCreations: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots
[03:58] <SirPsy> crimsun, are you awake ?
[03:58] <wrd> basically i could just rip x.org with its depencies out of hoary ...
[03:58] <eCreations> thank you so much jdub
[03:58] <kbrooks> eCreations, ;)
[03:58] <SirPsy> i found the way to fix my problem with the e100 driver
[03:58] <Ng> how come bash doesn't tab complete normally if you start a command with sudo?
[03:58] <macewan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240 also
[03:58] <Ng> also, grr at whoever wrote the inputrc for not enabling the ones that let you jump a word at a time ;)
[03:58] <SirPsy> i had to blacklist the eepro100 module after that i could setup linkspeed with ethtool and all worked fine
[03:58] <Demitar> Ng, since it doesn't know about sudo.
[03:58] <kbrooks> wrd: use backports, but delete them BEFORE you upgrade to hoary
[03:58] <malte`> Ng, you must enable bash-completion
[03:59] <Ng> malte`: the bash programmable completion is just as bad, it breaks all kinds of things ;)
[03:59] <Ng> Demitar: it doesn't need to really
[03:59] <Ng> if you're typing a path you should be able to tab complete it
[03:59] <Demitar> Ng, paths are tab-completed, programs are only tab-completed as the first arg.
[03:59] <kbrooks> don't mix backports and hoary, because if you do, you will break your ubuntu installation, requiring a reinstallation
[04:00] <eCreations> is ubuntu the preffered choice of linux software?
[04:00] <Ng> Demitar: hmm, in that case it could do with a patch that will complete programs if the first arg is just sudo
[04:00] <jdub> eCreations: being ubuntu users and developers, we prefer it. ;)
[04:00] <jancker> lol
[04:00] <jancker> :)
[04:01] <eCreations> well currently im a windows xp pro user but i am tired of windows
[04:01] <pw> Hmm.
[04:01] <jdub> Demitar: note that this was in reference to a new user installing badly built backports and the prospect of them upgrading to hoary afterwards.
[04:01] <kbrooks> Demitar, backports (hoary to warty) + hoary = hell.
[04:01] <pw> Bitmap font question.
[04:02] <spiral> eCreations: that's a normal feeling :-p
[04:02] <pw> What might be stopping my bitmap fonts from displaying properly?
[04:02] <giard> eCreations: depends on what you want to do.  Mac OS X is decent.  Ubuntu is probably the easiest to use Linux
[04:02] <scrooch> my network card is detected just fine during installation of warty and hoary and dhcp works ok. when the computer reboots to continue installation the network card suddenly isn't recognised anymore
[04:02] <eCreations> so ubuntu should be my first choice?
[04:02] <kbrooks> jdub, and that was me. :P
[04:02] <Demitar> jdub, yes, that's what the ":)" was there for. :)
[04:02] <kbrooks> ....right? :)
[04:02] <pw> I can see *some* sizes of font, but I can't see all of them.
[04:02] <spiral> eCreations: hmmm... This sounds as a good choice... But you'll maybe have it hard with configuration
[04:02] <jdub> eCreations: there are many to choose from, but it's unlikely that we'd recommend something else here.
[04:03] <scrooch> while i have  avery normal asus k8n deluxe motherboard with an onboard network car
[04:03] <Demitar> Ng, although probably something more intelligent and programmable so that it can parse find -exec and xargs etc.
[04:03] <kbrooks> scrooch, are you sure you installed the right linux kernel
[04:03] <macewan> anyone know the correct name of the image used for the volume applet?
[04:03] <kbrooks> try upgrading.
[04:03] <scrooch> kbrooks, how do you mean?
[04:03] <scrooch> kbrooks, i just got the stock kernel
[04:03] <Ng> Demitar: yeah. I used the programmable completion for a while and found it generally made tab complete more annoying because there were way more of these corner cases where it just doesn't understand what's happening ;)
[04:04] <PWM> hile, I have installed ubuntu on my new laptop (my first experience with linux), but I can't get my internet to work... I've tried to let ubuntu set it up (using automatic dhcp) and I've tried to use the settings I'm using now in windows... are there anything I might have missed?
[04:04] <kbrooks> scrooch, i *think* (at least i THINK) that you got the wrong version
[04:04] <PWM> oops, that should have been "Hi, I..." :)
[04:04] <scrooch> kbrooks, im trying to figure out which versions are available
[04:07] <cavediver> What's the command to start mencoder?
[04:07] <spiral> cavediver: mencoder ? :-p
[04:08] <cavediver> spiral: It's not working here.
[04:08] <cavediver> clear
[04:08] <cavediver> oops...
[04:08] <cavediver> root@ubuntu:/home/jonas # dpkg -l|grep mencoder
[04:08] <cavediver> ii  mencoder-amd64 1.0-pre5-0.6ub MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[04:08] <cavediver> root@ubuntu:/home/jonas # mencoder
[04:08] <cavediver> bash: mencoder: command not found
[04:09] <quitte> hi. i have to rebuild xlibmesa-dri on hoary to get dri support on savage. can someone tell me how to configure the source pkg?
[04:09] <spiral> cavediver: have you installed it ?
[04:11] <quitte> bah! mesa in hoary is old
[04:11] <piratePenguin> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... whats wrong?
[04:12] <Ng> cavediver: dpkg -L mencoder-amd64 | grep bin    - that will show you the binaries it has installed
[04:12] <cavediver> Ng: ok will try that
[04:13] <majik|lap> is the hoary repo good enough to, say, dist-upgrade it with apt-get?  warty --dist-upgrade-> hoary
[04:13] <cavediver> Ohh nice.. no rows returned :)
[04:13] <quitte> majik|lap: i had no problems going from sid to hoary
[04:14] <Ng> cavediver: looking at mine, the mencoder binary is actually in the mplayer-amd64 package ;)
[04:15] <majik|lap> quitte:  ah, cool
[04:15] <firstknight> Hi, I try to unmount the usb storage but it said the device is busy.... busy with what?
[04:15] <cavediver> Ng: ohh k. That makes no sense to me but thanks.
[04:16] <majik|lap> quitte: Ubuntu doesn't rely at all on debian's apt repo's, does it?
[04:16] <cavediver> Ng: haven't been able to install mplayer on my machine
[04:16] <Ng> cavediver: they're very closely related programs and come from the same source, so I guess the package is being built wrong ;)
[04:16] <majik|lap> quitte: or at least by default
[04:16] <cavediver> Ng: Why isn't mplayer in warty ? :(
[04:17] <piratePenguin> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... why cant I connect to the net? I followed the instructions from: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[04:17] <quitte> majik yes - as far as i know. but i'm using ubuntu only for an hour now
[04:17] <Ng> cavediver: as far as I know it's not in because it includes codecs that aren't necessarily legal, or compatible with ubuntu's Freedom policies
[04:17] <majik|lap> yikes.  this laptop's battery is draining quick!  i better go hook it up
[04:18] <cavediver> Ng: I see. To bad. I like VNC but it seems to have problems playing some vmw movies.
[04:19] <Ng> cavediver: well you're particularly screwed on amd64 because you can't use the windows wmv codec through wine (which is mostly what mplayer would be doing I think)
[04:19] <quitte> cavediver and what's wrong with xine?
[04:19] <majik|lap> quitte: ah, I see
[04:19] <Ng> xine has a horrible interface ;)
[04:19] <quitte> Ng xine has a million interfaces to choose from
[04:19] <ogra> Ng: xine has a totem interface
[04:20] <quitte> Ng i guess you are talking about xine-ui
[04:20] <Ng> ogra: indeed, but that breaks ubuntu depenedencies
[04:20] <Ng> quitte: I dislike skin based UIs, which counts out most of xine's interfaces.
[04:20] <duzchip> try typing: sudo apt-get install ssystem
[04:20] <duzchip> it's quite cool
[04:20] <ogra> only ubuntu-desktop which is only important if you upgrade between distributions
[04:21] <quitte> Ng compile mplayer deb yourself then. it comes with a debian/rules dir by default.
[04:21] <Ng> quitte: I did already :)
[04:22] <quitte> couldn'T fetch http://.......automake... size mismatch :(
[04:22] <quitte> i translated size mismatch myself so it could be a slightly different error.
[04:22] <quitte> but what can i do about it?
[04:28] <piratePenguin> does anyone here use isdn?
[04:30] <offbyone> g'morning.
[04:30] <SuSE|UsER> YaY ;)
[04:30] <falkar> hi guys
[04:30] <offbyone> I'm trying to grok how to determine what the prefix (as in ./configure --prefix=) for an apt package is so that I can upgrade it outside of the normal apt-method.
[04:30] <SuSE|UsER> Hi
[04:30] <offbyone> How would I do that?
[04:31] <Ng> offbyone: do you want to overwrite the files that are already there? or install it into a new location?
[04:31] <offbyone> overwrite
[04:31] <Ng> the prefix will be /usr then
[04:31] <offbyone> Okay
[04:31] <offbyone> That's a bit odd, mind you -- why the underuse of /usr/local?
[04:32] <offbyone> (I'm new to this distribution, so I'm trying to get a handle on the operational philosophy)
[04:32] <Ng>  /usr/local is for things you install by hand really
[04:32] <offbyone> I see
[04:32] <offbyone> I suppose that makes for a fairly clear separation of things. I always use /opt, myself, at least for binary apps :/
[04:32] <Ng> this is the way pretty much all linux distros work
[04:33] <cyberdude> waazaaa
[04:33] <cyberdude> who feels like helping
[04:33] <cyberdude> :)
[04:34] <Ng> cyberdude: that depends on what the problem is ;)
[04:34] <anTiXX> cyberdude: if I can. after 2 days of ubuntu :)
[04:35] <cyberdude> alright then
[04:35] <PWM_> ...not me, I'm having enough problems to solve (which I can't...) :(
[04:35] <pw> offbyone: Ubuntu will not touch anything you put in /usr/local
[04:35] <pw> It's yours.
[04:35] <cyberdude> i think its pretty simple
[04:35] <spiral> hmmm... isn't it a problem while dist-upgrading with samba ?
[04:35] <spiral> (under hoary)
[04:35] <cyberdude> i installed ubuntu on my laptop
[04:35] <pw> Here's a thing.
[04:36] <pw> How can I put the trash can back on my desktop?
[04:36] <pw> I deleted it :\
[04:36] <pw> (ironic, I know)
[04:36] <Ng> spiral: dist-upgrade later, it's probably part way through package changes
[04:36] <spiral> pw: gnome ?
[04:36] <pw> Yes, GNOME :)
[04:36] <cyberdude> but the screen goes all messy when it starts xserver
[04:36] <jdub> pw: the desktop icon, or the panel applet?
[04:36] <pw> I've got the panel applet, but I've nuked my icon.
[04:37] <pw> <-- silli
[04:37] <anTiXX> cyberdude: were you able to boot it using the live-CD?
[04:37] <jdub> pw: gconf-editor, /apps/nautilus/general
[04:37] <pw> Cheers. I'll find it :)
[04:37] <cyberdude> it's a refresh rate problem
[04:37] <pw> jdub: sorted, cheers.
[04:37] <SuSE|UsER> Can someone upgrade libsmbclient (Hoary)? I can't :/
[04:37] <cyberdude> but on my config file generic monitor is selected
[04:38] <pw> And now I return my attention to bitmap fonts.
[04:38] <cyberdude> but my laptop istft
[04:38] <anTiXX> cyberdude: I'm using tft on my desktop
[04:38] <pw> I can select the very smallest Terminus font, but I can't get the bold variation; I can select a bold version of the 12px size, but not the non-bold.
[04:39] <cyberdude> what settings will work with my laptop screen
[04:39] <offbyone> redfun, My earlier questions: How safe is it to use Debian packages (I'm thinking specifically of Subversion here) on Warty?
[04:39] <Ng> offbyone: depends on the package
[04:39] <cyberdude> my picture keeps scrolling like is off sync
[04:39] <pw> And here's fun: I can get the size I want with xfontsel.
[04:39] <offbyone> (ignore the "redfun" -- that was supposed to be "re:")
[04:40] <offbyone> Ng, I mean the Debian package of Subversion from Debian sid
[04:40] <Ng> offbyone: it might work :)
[04:40] <Ng> offbyone: it might want to remove half your packages and set the rest on fire ;)
[04:40] <offbyone> Yeah
[04:40] <offbyone> That was what I figured.
[04:40] <offbyone> Damn.
[04:40] <ogra> offbyone: dont mix with debian.....you wont have fun with that
[04:40] <offbyone> Source it is.
[04:40] <LostMonk> how do i get the mplayer plugin for firefox?
[04:41] <PWM_> I use a cable modem for connecting to the internet, but when I installed ubuntu it wouldn't detect the connection... and I can't get my internet to work in ubuntu. I've tried to configure it using "automativ (dhcp)" and also using "manual" but it doesn't work - can someone help me? :)
[04:41] <Ng> offbyone: you could grab the debian package source and rebuild that
[04:41] <ogra> offbyone: building from source may work if you can satisfy the build dependencys
[04:41] <Ng> yeah, what ogra said ;)
[04:41] <offbyone> How does that work, anyway? If I upgrade from source, and then later a package comes out, what happens? I've done that with Ruby already, because the Warty version is, well, warty.
[04:42] <Guardiann> PWM thats very strange I found Ubuntu one of the better ones for finding connections
[04:42] <Ng> offbyone: it's unlikely warty would change enough for there to be a problem, but at some point you might find that apt doesn't want to upgrade because something is depending on the package you built, in which case you remove it, let apt upgrade and then build the package again
[04:43] <LinuxJones> PWM_, have you tried using network-admin ?
[04:43] <superkitty> has anyone had problems doing a dist-upgrade with hoary?
[04:43] <PWM_> LinuxJones, I think I have...
[04:43] <ogra> offbyone: you can lock packages with synaptic if you fear it will get overwritten, if you upgrade to hoary later i think you will want the new hoary version, so just unlock it
[04:44] <Ng> superkitty: quite a few people have mentioned it in the last few minutes
[04:44] <Ng> so it would seem likely
[04:44] <LinuxJones> PWM_, in terminal sudo -s (enter your password) then do network-admin
[04:45] <ogra> superkitty: which arch ?
[04:45] <Guardiann> dist-upgrade that i did was a few days ago worked pefectly
[04:45] <superkitty> 386
[04:45] <offbyone> Ng, ogra: The problem is that Svn is notorious for ugly upgrades -- the repository format isn't rock-solid, especially the DB type. So it's a bit of a pain.
[04:45] <piratePenguin> no offence to anyone, but the mISDN howto @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto is completely crap :p
[04:45] <ogra> offbyone: ever tried arch or bazaar ?
[04:46] <PWM_> LinuxJones, yeah, I've used that one... both with manual configuration and automatic configuration - none of them seem to work
[04:46] <ogra> piratePenguin: i wrote it, whats wrong with it ?
[04:46] <offbyone> ogra, no. And, frankly, I don't really intend to. Svn integrates w/ Eclipse, and has every VC feature I need.
[04:46] <Ng> offbyone: might be an idea to stick with the subversion that's in warty maybe?
[04:46] <offbyone> (ie: mopd_dav_svn is the new black)
[04:46] <piratePenguin> ogra: I *cannot* get it to work... Don't I need to install capi* binaries? (like capiinit etc..)?
[04:47] <offbyone> Ng, The problem is, the svn version in Warty is a bit fragile -- the repository format isn't too solid, and there are security issues that have been fixed in later versions.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> PWM_, set it to use dhcp then /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:47] <superkitty> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[04:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: it works as described on my test systems here.. (and on mvo's as well)
[04:47] <Ng> offbyone: ah :)
[04:47] <offbyone> I want to get up to date on that, since it is essentially the whole purpose for the existence of the server :)
[04:47] <PWM_> LinuxJones, ok, I'll try that, thanks
[04:47] <Ng> superkitty: hoary upgrades not working is pretty much par for the course, it'll probably be fixed soon
[04:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: no guarantee for hoary though, since upstream seems dead
[04:48] <piratePenguin> ogra: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... btw, do you have capiinit ?
[04:48] <superkitty> hoary is dual booted with warty on my box so it isnt a huge deal, just curious
[04:48] <Hethh> hello people :)
[04:49] <Heth> :)
[04:49] <samurai> does anyone know how to set the default size of gnome-terminal without using a shell-wrapper
[04:49] <DragoraN> hi
[04:49] <scrooch> stfu
[04:49] <DragoraN> what is the root password after install?
[04:49] <scrooch> none
[04:50] <piratePenguin> samurai: I think that can be done with Xauthority files...
[04:50] <DragoraN> none?
[04:50] <scrooch> none
[04:50] <kent> DragoraN, its sort of your own password, since ubuntu dont have a root account.
[04:50] <DragoraN> it asks me password
[04:50] <ogra> piratePenguin: its important that everything is in the described order and that you have absolutely no (obsolete) hisax stuff loaded
[04:50] <piratePenguin> DragoraN: use 'sudo'
[04:50] <DragoraN> sudo?
[04:50] <scrooch> dont have Kent? learn english
[04:50] <DragoraN> no root account?
[04:50] <piratePenguin> man sudo
[04:50] <superkitty> Dragon no root account
[04:50] <Ng> samurai: --geometry
[04:50] <Xenguy> DragoraN: there's a web site, and a FAQ :-)
[04:50] <jdub> DragoraN: root is disabled by default, see -> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[04:50] <samurai> piratePenguin: I'll have to check... It should be settable for the profile or within gconf, but no dice
[04:51] <superkitty> dragon what are you trying to accomplish
[04:51] <DragoraN> i dont want to put everythere sudo and always asking for password! its dummy
[04:51] <Ng> DragoraN: then set a root password
[04:51] <kent> DragoraN, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:51] <piratePenguin> ogra: right.. I'll try again soon.. thanks
[04:51] <DragoraN> ok
[04:51] <jdub> DragoraN: sudo su -
[04:51] <samurai> Ng: gemoetry works fine if you create from another window or want a shellwrapper, but when I right click in the desktop and select open terminal it would be nice to be the right size
[04:51] <jdub> DragoraN: don't set a root password :)
[04:51] <superkitty> dragon there is a good start guide that will tell you how to make a root account
[04:51] <thenuke> DragoraN: sudo -s -H gives you root shell
[04:51] <ogra> piratePenguin: i assumer you are on warty
[04:51] <ogra> -r
[04:52] <Ng> samurai: ah, I see what you mean. not sure then, sorry ;)
[04:52] <DragoraN> will it ask for password?
[04:52] <jdub> DragoraN: yes.
[04:52] <kent> scrooch, i think i know enough english for people to atleast understand enough of what i want to say,  and thanks for being polite btw.
[04:52] <DragoraN> and what is the password?
[04:52] <jdub> your password, as explained on the above linked page.
[04:52] <samurai> Ng: thanks anyway... it should be easy to do and find, but it hasn't been so far
[04:52] <superkitty> the password is your user password
[04:52] <ogra> piratePenguin: the isdn stuff for hoary isnt completely sorted yet..... but we will have the original avm drivers in there
[04:52] <LostMonk> once again
[04:53] <LostMonk> where is the mplayer plugin
[04:53] <DragoraN> i c, ok.. thx..
[04:53] <DragoraN> :)
[04:53] <DragoraN> bye
[04:53] <Ng> LostMonk: multiverse
[04:53] <DragoraN> wtf
[04:53] <DragoraN> 16:51:04  [ Cy909 ]  how can I mount cd , Xserver wont recognize cdrom :(
[04:53] <DragoraN> 16:51:12  [ Cy909 ]  can u help me ?
[04:53] <DragoraN> ?
[04:53] <DragoraN> on private..
[04:53] <piratePenguin> ogra: haven't got a clue what warty means.... but I've seen it somwhere on my pc, so yea, I think so
[04:54] <offbyone> LostMonk, Wiki + forum search + google == no reason to repeat questions. I believe what you are looking for is found in the forums, specifically, although the link eludes me at the moment.
[04:54] <ogra> piratePenguin: warty is the current release, hoary is the current development branch
[04:54] <offbyone> (I'd hunt for it, but I'm in the midst of something else)
[04:54] <offbyone> I can assure you that it does work, though -- I have said plugin set up.
[04:54] <piratePenguin> ogra: oh.. well then I must be on warty
[04:54] <ogra> :)
[04:55] <LostMonk> mepis has it automatyically, thats why i was asking
[04:55] <LostMonk> thought maybe i just neede to activate it
[04:55] <offbyone> As I recall, no
[04:55] <quitte> anyone got an idea how to use mesacvs with hoary?#
[04:56] <offbyone> I think there's a repository you can add to your sources.list that will have it, though -- try the RestrictedFormats page on the Wiki
[04:56] <quitte> i need it for dri
[04:56] <quitte> got it working when i compiled xorg and mesa from cvs myself - but i'd prefer to build debs of mesa
[04:57] <quitte> xorg from hoary should work with mesacvs
[04:57] <nevyn> can someone running hoary tell me if stratagus is in universe?
[04:58] <Quest-Master> Is Hoary pretty stable now?
[04:58] <Ng> that's a dangerous question ;)
[04:58] <Quest-Master> hehe
[04:58] <Quest-Master> I want X.Org, Composite, and Expocity badly.
[04:58] <Ng> it doesn't have a release stamp on it, so no, it's not stable, even if it is, because someone could break it tomorrow even though it's fine today ;)
[04:58] <Quest-Master> :P
[04:59] <Ng> it's not *that* long till it's out :)
[04:59] <pw> I've got X.org in Hoary, dunno about composite and the other thing, tho.
[04:59] <Ng> pw: lets you have transparent windows
[04:59] <nevyn> x.org provides composite
[04:59] <pw> Ooh.
[04:59] <Demitar> The real question is: If it breaks, can you fix it?
[04:59] <pw> Well, I've deffo got x.org.
[04:59] <jdub> Quest-Master: it's all very slow, dude.
[05:00] <pw> So how do I make things translucent?
[05:00] <Ng> no idea, I've never bothered to try ;)
[05:00] <jdub> you have to enable composite, run xcompmgr, or another composite manager
[05:01] <duzchip> what do i type to pack three .php files into a .zip-file?
[05:02] <aethera> tar -cf  file1 file2 file3?
[05:02] <duzchip> thanks
[05:04] <nevyn> transparency isn't wrong.. but composite is.
[05:05] <AndyR> bit ofsplit net
[05:05] <vpalle> cant get java working in firefox :/ followed the guide..
[05:05] <vpalle> (application/x-java-vm)
[05:08] <sulkd> gnome cd creator is a joke
[05:08] <tuhl> (synaptic:11440): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_label_set_use_underline: assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed
[05:08] <tuhl> what is the reason for that?
[05:08] <sulkd> just thought I'd let you all know before someone gets hurt
[05:08] <tuhl> any solution?
[05:09] <aethera> sulkd: gtoaster?
[05:09] <scoon> sulkd, they are all frontends to cdrecord.
[05:09] <scoon> sulkd, why not pull up a man page and just use cdrecord CLI
[05:09] <vpalle> anyone having java working with firefox?
[05:10] <scoon> vpalle, yes
[05:10] <scoon> vpalle, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[05:11] <sulkd> scoon: why waste time tracking down cdrecord's 130 fixme switches when I could just boot into windows and use nero
[05:11] <macewan> vpalle: yup
[05:11] <vpalle> hmm.. ive followed the guide
[05:11] <macewan> which one
[05:11] <scoon> sulkd, for starters i don't dual boot.  linux is it.  and has been for over 6yrs.
[05:11] <jdub> sulkd: luckily, most people have never had to face cdrecord when using nautilus-cd-burner
[05:12] <scoon> cdrecord is not bad at all.
[05:12] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 :)
[05:12] <sulkd> scoon, great scots.. it's been 8 years here started with redhat 4.2, kiddo
[05:12] <scoon> sulkd, well i am sorry that you dual boot then .
[05:12] <aethera> sulkd: is it gtoaster?
[05:12] <scoon> sulkd, still.
[05:12] <sulkd> jdub: yeah.. nautilus-cd-burner just gets to me sometimes.. like when it dies in the middle of a dvd recording session
[05:12] <sulkd> aethera, no it isnt gtoaster
[05:13] <aethera> ah ok
[05:13] <zen_> what do i need to apt-get to play mp3's on rhythmbox?
[05:14] <LinuxJones> zen_, gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:14] <no0tic> brb
[05:14] <kent> does Hoary come with a decent bittorrent client? Azureus have started to be very buggy right niw
[05:15] <aethera> kent: I use bittornado
[05:15] <sulkd> scoon, the problem with cdrecord is that it isn't really a piece of application software, it's more a frontend's engine anyway... since the developer made no effort at all to make any choices for the user, but just mirrored the available options provided by the ioctl interface of the drivers and just pile on the options.. no man should ever have to get that intimate with his cdrw/dvdr recorder just to backup some data
[05:15] <LinuxJones> kent, I like bittornado-gui
[05:15] <zen_> LinuxJones: thanks
[05:15] <scoon> sulkd, how hard is this: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc foo.iso
[05:17] <blair> I am having problems with OpenGL on a Radeon PCI card, can anyone help me?
[05:17] <scoon> scoon, and for dvd burning i use growisofs.  all works just fine here.
[05:17] <Quest-Master> Does wxPython use GTK2 in Hoary?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> In Warty, wx still uses GTK1.x :(
[05:17] <scoon> oops.  i mean sulkd.   ha.
[05:17] <sulkd> scoon: not too hard, but that wouldn't work very well on my system.. plus, I'd have to mkisofs
[05:17] <sulkd> scoon, I'll grant you, growisofs is allright in my book
[05:18] <sulkd> scoon, and yes I realize it is a frontend for cdcrecord
[05:18] <scoon> sulkd, eh.  if you like the one, then you could like them both.
[05:18] <scoon> sulkd, all right.  lets just agree to disagree then.  this is sorta silly.
[05:18] <kent> LinuxJones, how does it work? when i start it from the menu i get a dialog asking me to load a .torrent-file, but i want to download one, i dont have one on my drive..
[05:20] <sulkd> kent: the .torrent file isn't really what you want bittorrent to get, it's the file that describes the tracker and the media you really want.. so just download the .torrent and load it into your bttorrent client..
[05:20] <aethera> omg
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Anyone?
[05:20] <aethera> kent: RTFM
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Anyone used a program that uses wxWidgets or wxPython?
[05:20] <blair> Can anyone help me with OpenGL on a Radeon card?
[05:20] <isa> hello
[05:21] <LinuxJones> kent, you need to right click the .torrent file and go open with usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[05:21] <pw> blair: Perhaps. Tell me about your setup. Card? Version of Ubuntu?
[05:21] <isa> I have to run the following script to connect to the internet: sudo /usr/sbin/pptp <IP_ADDRESS> file /etc/ppp/options.adsl
[05:22] <isa> Is there somewhere I can put this so it comes up automatically?
[05:22] <isa> Alternatively I've tried to make a launcher with gksudo but it doesn't work.
[05:23] <aethera> I need to redo my machine
[05:23] <blair> pw: I am running warty, with a PIII.  The motherboard has intergrated graphics (i810), so I had to manually set up the card (location,driver, all pretty easy)
[05:23] <piratePenguin> ogra: still cant get misdn workin ... could it be my devices? I have /dev/capi20 and /dev/capi/<loada num's> ...
[05:23] <F0CUS> hi
[05:23] <blair> pw:The card is a Radeon 8250 PCI
[05:23] <pw> Have you got the fglrx-driver package installed with the appropriate restricted modules package for your kernel?
[05:24] <F0CUS> can anyone help me, I am trying to map my windows drive under Ubuntu
[05:24] <blair> It works, except it is still running OpenGL as Mesa GLX instead of through the card
[05:24] <marcin_ant> hello - short question - does ubuntu support nptl ?
[05:24] <kbrooks> F0CUS, and?
[05:24] <isa> Essentially I want to set it up so my user can get on the interet without cutting an pasting text into a terminal.
[05:24] <pw> F0CUS: Here's a clue: /dev/hda5               /mnt/music              vfat    defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002    0       0
[05:24] <aethera> pw :)
[05:24] <kbrooks> pw, not helpful
[05:24] <pw> That's a line from my fstab that mounts a FAT32 partition.
[05:24] <blair> pw: I followed the wiki instructions (installed driver, etc)
[05:24] <aethera> hiya mate
[05:25] <F0CUS> I don't know how :/
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw, he is a noob
[05:25] <F0CUS> and can't find any documentation on the net
[05:25] <kbrooks> lemme help
[05:25] <pw> F0CUS: Cut'n'paste that, fix up for your partition and mount point.
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw!
[05:25] <kbrooks> Leave the noob alone.
[05:25] <F0CUS> come on man...
[05:25] <kbrooks> I'll help him.
[05:25] <F0CUS> thx
[05:25] <LinuxJones> F0CUS, have a peek @ the Ubuntu Guide >> http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:25] <aethera> F0CUS: man mount
[05:25] <piratePenguin> /msh NickServ IDENTIFY ColdMail
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw, and besides, you arent being helpful
[05:26] <aethera> ooooh
[05:26] <F0CUS> oki
[05:26] <pw> kbrooks: Apart from telling him exactly what to do, that is.
[05:26] <F0CUS> ah, "man mount", should have thought of that :*
[05:26] <aethera> that was a invitation
[05:26] <F0CUS> thx
[05:26] <F0CUS> I did already read the entire guide though...
[05:26] <aethera> kbrooks: change your password mate
[05:26] <F0CUS> brb
[05:26] <F0CUS> thx
[05:27] <RickA> hi
[05:27] <pw> blair: At what point is it crapping out? Is it failing to detect the card?
[05:27] <kbrooks> aethera, MY password? why?
[05:27] <aethera> lol well the piratePenguin d00d
[05:27] <RickA> is it possible to disable the spatial views in gnome in ubuntu?
[05:27] <blair> no, the card works, Hardware rendering isn't
[05:27] <pw> gotcha
[05:27] <pw> is the module loaded?
[05:27] <giard> RickA: yes
[05:28] <blair> I can't figure out why, or more importantly, how to fix it
[05:28] <RickA> i've tried gconf-editor -> apps -> nautilus-> preferences options, but they don't seem to have any effect
[05:28] <blair> yes, fglrx module is loaded (ran a command from the wiki to find out)
[05:28] <RickA> not even after a reboot, or a gnome restart (ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:28] <giard> RickA: In nautilus... preferences->behavior->Always open in brwoser windows
[05:28] <pw> blair: join me in #flood
[05:28] <blair> k
[05:28] <RickA> giard: yeah, that's what I found, but it's not doing anything
[05:28] <runenes> Can I find a laptop with a 3d card other than ati?
[05:28] <kbrooks> aethera, ok, but i wasnt gonna hack him.
[05:29] <aethera> I should really start brushing up on my .net stuff
[05:29] <giard> RickA: not sure what to tell you... what version are you running?
[05:29] <RickA> gnome or ubuntu?
[05:30] <kbrooks> RickA, for ubuntu its either hoary or warty
[05:30] <HetIsLarsje> zuit
[05:30] <HetIsLarsje> quit
[05:30] <RickA> warty
[05:31] <tuhl> why does the installation of nautilus-sendto in hoary fail?
[05:31] <RickA> the standard. I downloaded it the day before yesterday or so. Haven't changed anything, although I think the setup automatically updates everything if you let it
[05:31] <aethera> gnome is way to slow
[05:31] <kbrooks> aethera,
[05:31] <aethera> kbrooks:
[05:32] <kbrooks> aethera, what are the directions to change the nickserv password?
[05:33] <aethera> kbrooks: /msg nickserv help
[05:33] <calamari> hi
[05:33] <calamari> is there a way to forcue umount to unmount a drive, even if it's busy and would cause errors?
[05:33] <calamari> force
[05:33] <aethera> umount -f
[05:33] <kbrooks> calamari, man mount
[05:33] <kbrooks> umount*
[05:34] <calamari>  -f     Causes everything to be done except for the actual system  call;
[05:34] <calamari> kbrooks: fyi I did read the manual..
[05:35] <usynic> does ubuntu use the same installer as debian, or are there some imrovements?
[05:35] <aethera> usynic: some improvemebts
[05:35] <aethera> but basicly the same
[05:35] <usynic> could you elaborate on the improvements?
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Are the Ubuntu Forums down?
[05:36] <aethera> usynic: its alot slower
[05:36] <calamari> umount -f /dev/fd0  umount2: Device or resource busy  umount: /dev/fd0: not mounted  umount: /media/floppy0: Illegal seek  umount2: Device or resource busy  umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[05:36] <aethera> still console tho
[05:36] <F0CUS> got it ^_^ thx!
[05:36] <usynic> aethera, would you say it's easier than the debian installer (even if it is still console) ?
[05:36] <calamari> wow.. removing a floppy is a lot of work :)
[05:36] <aethera> kill the application that is using the drive
[05:37] <calamari> aethera: I don't think any are using the drive.. is there a way to find out which one is?
[05:37] <aethera> brb
[05:37] <aethera> gonna have a shower
[05:37] <pw> calamari: lsof
[05:37] <usynic> aethera, I'm trying to convince a newbie that it will be easier than debian.
[05:38] <usynic> from what I remember, it is easier
[05:38] <calamari> usynic: that's easy.. tell them they won't need a password to boot their computer
[05:38] <aethera> usynic: yeah it will be easier
[05:38] <F0CUS> ok... suposedly I am a "n00b"and I managed t oinstall it in like 25 minutes
[05:38] <F0CUS> it's very easy
[05:39] <usynic> ok, thanks.
[05:39] <aethera> F0CUS: you need a book on unix commands
[05:39] <calamari> pw: thanks
[05:39] <F0CUS> didn't have to do anything to "configure" my laptop... all was working: network, Wireless, power management, etc..
[05:40] <F0CUS> the only thing I am still trying to figure out is how to get the damn "Fn" keys to work...
[05:40] <pw> blair: I think you've done everything right, and it Just Ain't Gonna Work.
[05:40] <blair> pw: can you think of anything that might help me?
[05:40] <blair> that is not an option, I can't live without my Wolfenstein
[05:41] <F0CUS> has anyone here tried FnFx?!
[05:41] <F0CUS> lol
[05:41] <Quest-Master> blair: Tried Cedega?
[05:41] <aethera> blair: install ET
[05:41] <blair> Cedega:
[05:41] <blair> already did, problem is with hardware rendering on an ATI card
[05:42] <blair> Cedega?
[05:42] <pw> Yeah, a WINE derivative is /really/ going to help with getting HW 3D going. /sarcasm.
[05:42] <Quest-Master> Oh
[05:42] <Quest-Master> That's his problem? :\
[05:42] <blair> yup
[05:42] <Quest-Master> I didn't fully read it
[05:42] <blair> thats my problem
[05:42] <Quest-Master> Don't job on me so quickly pw. :P
[05:42] <Quest-Master> *jump
[05:42] <aethera> blair: install freebsd? :P
[05:42] <calamari> brb.. rebooting.. floppy is unmounted.. but now /dev/fd0 no longer exists :P
[05:42] <blair> apparently intergrated graphics on the motherboard won't let OpenGL render through my Radeon Card :(
[05:43] <Quest-Master> blair: Is it a Radeon?
[05:43] <Quest-Master> Ok
[05:43] <Quest-Master> Did you change your XFree86 config file?
[05:43] <blair> ya, the card works, (using it right now), just won't let hardware rendering work
[05:44] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[05:44] <Quest-Master> How much FPS do you get from glxgears?
[05:44] <blair> just check fireglcontrol, still using GLXindirect
[05:45] <piratePenguin> root@piratepenguin:~ # glxgears
[05:45] <piratePenguin> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:45] <piratePenguin> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[05:45] <blair> in full screen, a whopping 25.6
[05:45] <pw> Quest-Master: :-P
[05:45] <offbyone> Ng, Thanks for the help, the upgrade went seamlessly on both the laptop and the server.
[05:46] <piratePenguin> huh? I've installed nvidia-glx and Load "glx" is in the XF86Config-4 file :s
[05:46] <zenrox> piratePenguin,  do a glxinfo
[05:46] <pw> Quest-Master: You have to be careful judging by that, because I only get 60FPS - because vsync is locked :)
[05:46] <pw> <-- has Radeon 9800 Pro, accelerated.
[05:46] <piratePenguin> zenrox: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <Quest-Master> Yeah, wanted to get a general estimate
[05:46] <Ng> offbyone: cool :)
[05:46] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[05:46] <zenrox> hmm
[05:46] <Quest-Master> I'll get an nVidia as soon as I get the money.
[05:46] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, did you add nvidia as the driver ?
[05:46] <pw> It's when I get 350fps that I know it's gone all banana-shaped.
[05:47] <piratePenguin> no :D ... lol, thanks LinuxJones
[05:47] <aethera> you cant load theb GLX in the config
[05:47] <pw> UT2K4 in software mode is also non-amusing.
[05:47] <aethera> nvidia uses its own
[05:47] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, :D and also add nvidia to /etc/modules as well so it will be loaded every time you re-coot
[05:47] <blair> blair@shakakan:~ $ glxinfo
[05:47] <blair> name of display: :0.0
[05:47] <blair> display: :0  screen: 0
[05:47] <blair> direct rendering: No
[05:47] <blair> server glx vendor string: SGI
[05:47] <blair> server glx version string: 1.2
[05:47] <LinuxJones> err re-boot
[05:47] <blair> server glx extensions:
[05:47] <blair>     GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
[05:48] <blair> I just noticed that direct rendering :no is there an option in a file somewhere where it can be changed?
[05:48] <aethera> blair: DRI in hte config
[05:48] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: thanks... do I have to remove 'Load "glx"' now, cause nvidia has its own ?
[05:48] <offbyone> Ng, One more question -- I'm not seeing how to lock a package in Synaptic. Is there a dpkg command or apt command I should use instead? I'm not a fan of the Synaptic app -- sluggish, and the command line is more powerful :)
[05:48] <blair> xf86config-4?
[05:48] <pw> blair: do you want me to /msg you my XF86Config-4 ?
[05:48] <aethera> yes
[05:49] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, no leave glx, you will also have to modprobe nvidia to load the module and then re-start X
[05:49] <blair> pw: ya, that would be great
[05:49] <pw> np, will do
[05:49] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: k, thanks
[05:49] <LinuxJones> :)
[05:49] <offbyone> Ng, never mind, it's just not in the right-click menu
[05:49] <offbyone> found it, though.
[05:49] <Ng> offbyone: found it in the Package menu?
[05:49] <Ng> ah cool :)
[05:51] <bzbb> I'm tring to build an xmms plugin, and make is telling me I don't have GCC installed, and /lib/cpp fails the sanity check
[05:51] <bzbb> I've apt-get installed gcc
[05:51] <LinuxJones> bzbb, install build-essential
[05:51] <aethera> uyeah
[05:51] <bzbb> thanks
[05:52] <aethera> I heard hoary is not as memory hungry as warty
[05:52] <Quest-Master> Or really?
[05:52] <Quest-Master> I should upgrade to Hoary if only I wasn't so scared
[05:53] <aethera> Quest-Master: I am going to do it
[05:53] <Hwolf> Quest-Master, don't, there are some annoying bugs.
[05:53] <aethera> if it does not go well
[05:53] <Duck_busy> coin
[05:53] <aethera> I will installed gentoo
[05:53] <Quest-Master> :o
[05:53] <Quest-Master> Just go back to Warty if it doesn't work aethera
[05:53] <bzbb> woo!
[05:53] <aethera> Quest-Master: no need too
[05:53] <pw> blair: k, you should get that.
[05:53] <pw> blair: please don't forget to make a copy of your existing XF86Config-4 before trying bits of mine; yours might not give good 3D, but it does at least display something on the screen :-)
[05:53] <aethera> I tested ubuntu now
[05:53] <bzbb> I love installing from source
[05:53] <pw> aethera: No different here, really.
[05:53] <pw> Quest-Master: it's not so bad
[05:53] <pw> It's development software; it's likely to break.
[05:53] <pw> But if you don't mind that, it's ok
[05:54] <aethera> ok brb
[05:54] <aethera> shower
[05:54] <Hwolf> I just finished editing a 17-page document, and there is a bug in openoffice in the fonts. You can't see of a font will be bold when you print it. :-S
[05:54] <bzbb> pw, only small things
[05:54] <blair> ya, already learned that lesson
[05:54] <blair> got it all
[05:54] <bzbb> anything that takes too long to build, I get impatient
[05:54] <blair> I don't think it is going to help, everything looks just as mine does
[05:55] <bzbb> grr
[05:55] <bzbb> now it says I need glib 1.2.0 or better
[05:55] <pw> blair: I'm stumped, then.
[05:55] <blair> asthera: you said I could add somthing to the DRI section of the config file to make it direct render?
[05:55] <pw> This is a laptop, right, blair?
[05:56] <blair> no, a desktop
[05:56] <pw> k
[05:56] <pw> homebrew?
[05:56] <blair> ya, kinda
[05:56] <pw> Hmm
[05:56] <blair> was a compaq, motherboard died, had an old gateway motherboard laying around
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Hwolf, export it as a .pdf file then print
[05:56] <pw> I was hoping to have something to google against :)
[05:57] <bzbb> oh, nm, thats a syntax error in the makefile
[05:57] <Hwolf> LinuxJones. I've finished it. If my teammates agree, we can still make the f-ing deadline. :-S
[05:57] <pw> It's a lot easier to google on, say, "Dimension 8300 radeon xfree86", frexample
[05:57] <blair> aethera: you said I could add something to the DRI section of the config file to make it direct render?
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Hwolf, :D
[05:58] <bzbb> jerks
[05:58] <Hwolf> LinuxJones: It isn't that much fun to work 10 hours on a saturday to get it right. :-P
[05:58] <bzbb> I think as a general policy, software that doesn't build shouldn't be released
[05:58] <blair> while it is a gateway board, it is almost identical to the board that was in it.  I would imagine that anyboard with i810 intergrated graphics would have this problem
[05:59] <Quest-Master> How customizable is the task bar in XFCE?
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I want it to look like my Gnome setup but have heard it isn't very flexible
[05:59] <Quest-Master> Or
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I could just start gnome-panel and XFCE and use that
[05:59] <Quest-Master> :D
[06:01] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  why not just use gnome then
[06:02] <Quest-Master> zenrox: Hehe, that's what I mean. I need to get the XFCE panel configured to look like mine someho.
[06:02] <Quest-Master> *somehow
[06:02] <Quest-Master> Or just stick with Gnome.
[06:02] <Quest-Master> But XFCE is faster.
[06:03] <zenrox> just stick with gnome
[06:03] <zenrox> its easer
[06:03] <downpour> hrm how do u install something like say fluxbox...sudo apt-get install fluxbox??
[06:03] <pw> downpour: yep.
[06:03] <Hwolf> XFCE is messy, if you ask me.
[06:03] <pw> I don't like the XFCE file mangler.
[06:03] <downpour> ne
[06:03] <downpour> er
[06:03] <downpour> hm
[06:03] <Quest-Master> I don't either.
[06:03] <Quest-Master> Nautilus is much better.
[06:03] <downpour> E: Couldn't find package fluxbox
[06:04] <Quest-Master> downpour: sudo apt-cache search fluxbox
[06:04] <downpour> ok
[06:04] <Quest-Master> Use the package which looks like the one you need
[06:04] <Hwolf> downpour, enable universe/multiverse
[06:04] <Euphoria> hi all
[06:04] <downpour> where do i enable that
[06:05] <downpour> does ubuntu use debian docs or something?
[06:05] <downpour> doesn't seem like much documentation at the website
[06:08] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[06:09] <downpour> so where do i enable this universe/multiverse option
[06:09] <sol_> hi all, i am having difficulty setting up my webcam on ubuntu. seems the device /dev/video0 does not exist. any ideas?
[06:09] <wezzer> check if there is /dev/video
[06:10] <Guardiann> downpour take a look at www. ubuntuguide.org
[06:10] <downpour> ah so there is some documentation didnt see that link
[06:10] <Guardiann> yeah there is alot
[06:11] <Guardiann> that should get you going pretty well
[06:11] <sol_> no, there is no /dev/video either
[06:11] <sol_> did a search on the site and came up with nothing
[06:12] <sol_> any ideas?
[06:13] <kent> sol_, perhaps its not detected (not supported).
[06:13] <Raskal> I was wondering if somebody could help me with an Unreal Tournament Game of the Year (UT GOTY) install ...
[06:13] <MainVoid> sol_, what's the headache?
[06:13] <sol_> could be kent, it is just strange that the /dev/video0 device is not even there
[06:14] <Raskal> I install the game to linux using a file from gamespy, and it utilizes my Windoze pc...
[06:14] <jcoxon77> hmmm
[06:14] <sol_> MainVoid, /dev/vedio0 is not present or any other variant that i can spot
[06:14] <Raskal> However, it installs it as root, and I cannot delete the darn thing, run it, or update it...
[06:15] <jcoxon77> Raskal: isn't there a more native port
[06:15] <jcoxon77> Raskal: with a loki installer?
[06:15] <sol_> sorry for the spelling - it is /dev/video0
[06:15] <Raskal> What is weird, is that I installed America's Army (linux) and...right, the loki installer, and it uses Windoze disks as source...
[06:15] <jcoxon77> yeah thats normal
[06:15] <Raskal> AA runs like a champ w/no issues...
[06:16] <jcoxon77> i once had it running
[06:16] <MainVoid> sol_, from that I deduce u have unstalled a video capture/tv card? ;)
[06:16] <jcoxon77> that is Unreal GOTY
[06:16] <jcoxon77> what errors are you getting?
[06:16] <Raskal> yes, jcoxon77, it is...
[06:17] <Raskal> in the terminal, it reads "cannot update x...spanish/russian version"
[06:17] <sol_> no, i am trying to get my webcam to work and am getting an error that /dev/video0 does not exist. when i look in /dev i can not see any video devices
[06:17] <Raskal> ...during installation...
[06:17] <Raskal> it winds up finishing the install, and I go to run it, and it says it can't...
[06:17] <MainVoid> sol_, well, u can always create the device node in case it hasn't been created for you....
[06:18] <MainVoid> sol_, Ah, well, same thing kinda.. video input device.. :D
[06:18] <sol_> i am not sure how to do that - never created a device. is there a howto you can point me at?
[06:18] <Br34ch> Where exactly should be the sessoins directory used by gdm, on a default Ubuntu installation?
[06:18] <MainVoid> sol_, man mknod is a start...
[06:19] <MainVoid> sol_, u'd prob need to know what type the device should be, but it is a beginning...
[06:19] <MainVoid> sol_, what webcam is it?
[06:19] <sol_> ok, thanks for the tip - some research is needed
[06:19] <sol_> bye for now
[06:20] <basttrax> Hey everyone
[06:20] <basttrax> Can anyone help me?
[06:21] <MainVoid> right, to bad he left, since I now have the command line he required.. :D #mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
[06:21] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:21] <downpour> hrm i enabled that universe option and updated but still can't install fluxbox
[06:21] <basttrax> anybody?
[06:21] <crimsun> basttrax: please just state your problem instead of asking to ask.
[06:21] <basttrax> ok
[06:21] <blair> pw: I just looked at the x log file, it says that DRI initialization failed
[06:21] <elvirolo> is the latest firefox package from Hoary know to segfault or is it me ?
[06:21] <Docta> Is there a Ubuntu Way to make windows shares with Samba or do I just edit the configs?
[06:22] <blair> (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[06:22] <kent> downpour, have you run "sudo apt-get update" to update the list of packages? you need to do that for it to work.
[06:22] <MainVoid> Docta, should be same way as any dist, I'd say..
[06:22] <Raskal> at this point, how do I remove a file that ubuntu says I don't have permissions to modify?
[06:22] <basttrax> I get the error ""configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"" whenever i try to install anything. i checked the package manager and i do have GCC installed
[06:22] <basttrax> any ideas?
[06:22] <MainVoid> Docta, config files, webmin or SWAT...
[06:22] <crimsun> basttrax: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:22] <Docta> MainVoid, thanks I've use SWAT many-a-time  :)
[06:22] <basttrax> ok
[06:22] <basttrax> brb
[06:23] <crimsun> elvirolo: works fine on my ubuntu boxes
[06:23] <MainVoid> Docta, Kewl.. ;) U r all set to go then.. ;)
[06:23] <downpour> yes i did apt-get update
[06:23] <crimsun> downpour: please paste to #flood the output of `apt-cache policy fluxbox'
[06:23] <downpour> ok
[06:24] <elvirolo> crimsun : strange
[06:24] <blair> how can I get the kernel to show me what modules it has loaded?
[06:24] <Ng>  /sbin/lsmod
[06:24] <crimsun> blair: `lsmod'
[06:24] <elvirolo> crimsun : it seems to happen at least on one web site here
[06:24] <basttrax> alright i'm installing from the cd now
[06:25] <Ephemeral> where can i get Shockwave plugin for Ubuntu FireFox?
[06:25] <downpour> ok pasted it
[06:25] <basttrax> you think gcc would automatically be installed into your path
[06:25] <Ephemeral> or what is it called?
[06:25] <basttrax> You would think
[06:25] <crimsun> elvirolo: are you saying it's segfaulting on startup or it's segfaulting for certain sites
[06:25] <elvirolo> crimsun, could you try to log on to www.linuxfr.org and sroll down with the scrollmouse just to check ... ?
[06:25] <crimsun> basttrax: typical desktop users don't compile programs
[06:25] <basttrax> thanks so much crimsun you saved me alot of time. it worked
[06:25] <basttrax> true enough
[06:26] <crimsun> basttrax: np
[06:26] <crimsun> elvirolo: works fine here.
[06:26] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, check the plugindoc.mozilla.org (I think it was anyway) ..
[06:26] <elvirolo> crimsun, strange, it does it with most sites anyway here
[06:26] <basttrax> If i do a configure and it needs something, should i just get the required packages and start ./configure agian?
[06:26] <crimsun> downpour: you don't seem to have uncommented the correct universe line?
[06:26] <downpour> hrm
[06:27] <MainVoid> basttrax, yup..
[06:27] <elvirolo> crimsun, i just start browsing and it then suddenly segfault
[06:27] <crimsun> downpour: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ca
[06:27] <basttrax> ok
[06:27] <downpour> ok
[06:27] <MainVoid> elvirolo, is there any common denominator with the pages it is crashing on for you?
[06:27] <MainVoid> elvirolo, like flash, shockwave or somehting?
[06:28] <downpour> http://pastebin.ca/4632
[06:28] <elvirolo> MainVoid, nope :( and it evens does it with perfectly valid xhtml code
[06:28] <Br34ch> Why is that that  I'm unable to complete tasks that are done to be as a 'superuser,' when  i am logged in as ann [administrator] ?
[06:28] <Br34ch> I'm a nub.. it's probably something very stupid that I'm going wrong
[06:28] <MainVoid> elvirolo, Odd, very odd indeed...
[06:28] <Ng> Br34ch: what kind of tasks? how are you unable to complete them?
[06:29] <downpour> err
[06:29] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i'll try downloading a binary from mozilla.org and see
[06:29] <downpour> crap
[06:29] <MainVoid> Br34ch, because as an "Administrator" u may still not have proper (i.e. full) root priviliges..
[06:29] <downpour> i did do it wrong
[06:29] <downpour> damn
[06:29] <downpour> lol
[06:29] <MainVoid> elvirolo, that may well be a very good idea.. ;)
[06:29] <MainVoid> I have no probbs here with firefox..
[06:30] <crimsun> downpour: sorted out?
[06:30] <MainVoid> elvirolo, however, what is the version u r using? I am on 0.9<something>
[06:30] <MainVoid> r any of the uduntu maintainers around?
[06:30] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i've got version 1.0 (hoary)
[06:30] <MainVoid> s/uduntu/ubuntu/g
[06:31] <MainVoid> elvirolo, ok, I'm using the one in warty...
[06:31] <Br34ch> Well, for examply . . . I was gonna copy the xfce42.desktop file into the sessions directory used by gdm(I couldn't find that specific directory..) but some dir . .. when I tried pasting it onto it . . . it still gave me an error pop-up message stating that I need to be a "superuser"
[06:31] <MainVoid> elvirolo, maybe wanna go back one rev to see if it could be a borked package/install?
[06:32] <elvirolo> MainVoid, yeah, good idea
[06:32] <Ng> Br34ch: yeah, you'd need to be running nautilus as root for that. Generally speaking you shouldn't need to be doing those kinds of things, but if you really want to, run "sudo nautilus" in a shell
[06:32] <Ng> I'm not sure what gdm would do with a .desktop
[06:32] <Ng> ignore it probably ;)
[06:32] <Ephemeral> I cant find anything relevant to Firefox+Flash in Synaptic :/
[06:32] <MainVoid> elvirolo, standard tech support reqest.. ;) worked as TS agent for waaaaay to many years.. ;)
[06:33] <elvirolo> MainVoid, ;-)
[06:33] <giard> Ephemeral: read the wiki for flash
[06:33] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, I'd doubt flash would be distributed by ubuntu..
[06:33] <Br34ch> Well, first of all, in deference to what'll happen when it's put in the sessions dir and whatnot: http://www.os-works.com/documentation/xfce-installers/4.2.0/xfce-installer/#setting-up-gdm . . . anyways, I'll try doing what you said, thanks
[06:34] <Ephemeral> MainVoid: i thought there would be something in universe which i have enabled
[06:34] <Ng> Br34ch: fair enough. xfce 4.0 is in warty's universe if you don't mind it not being 4.2 and want to save some hassle :)
[06:35] <Ephemeral> Giard: where is the wiki?
[06:35] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, I just started using ubuntu myself the other day...
[06:35] <crimsun> Ephemeral: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[06:35] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, lemme check that wiki...
[06:35] <elvirolo> MainVoid, same prob with the official binary :(
[06:35] <elvirolo> strange
[06:35] <crimsun> Ephemeral: stated right in the topic here
[06:35] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i used it for ages without a hitch
[06:35] <Br34ch> Universe . . . wouldn't it get beyond me? Being the complete nub that I am
[06:36] <piratePenguin> I plugged in my (brothers) usb headset (with mic), and dmesg showed some cool positive results (loaded usb-sound-something)... then I rebooted and now I get no sound at all... before I rebooted I had 2 dsp devices (/dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1) ... now theres just 1 (/dev/dsp) ... how do I make it sand sound to my headset or whatever?
[06:36] <Ng> Br34ch: enabling the universe repository is very easy, hold on a sec I'll get you a link to an explanation
[06:36] <Br34ch> Got it, thanks
[06:36] <crimsun> piratePenguin: plug it in _after_ it finishes booting
[06:36] <piratePenguin> crimsun: do I have to do that *all* the time?
[06:37] <crimsun> piratePenguin: depending on your configuration, yes
[06:37] <piratePenguin> k.. I'll try again
[06:37] <piratePenguin> then, how do I make it send sound to the headset?
[06:37] <basttrax> Hey again
[06:38] <basttrax> How do you install .bin files. the automatic installer types?
[06:38] <crimsun> piratePenguin: did it work before?
[06:38] <piratePenguin> crimsun: no.. dmesg showed some good stuff tho
[06:38] <macewan> anyone here in raleigh nc?
[06:38] <MainVoid> elvirolo, that *is* odd...
[06:39] <piratePenguin> didnt get sound on the headset at all (did, and always did, get it on my speakers tho)
[06:39] <basttrax> anyoner
[06:40] <basttrax> how do you install ".bin" files. the ones that are automatic install files
[06:40] <basttrax> i'm trying to install amsn with one of those
[06:40] <MainVoid> basttrax, chmod +x *.bin; sudo ./<filename.bin>
[06:40] <crimsun> piratePenguin: /join #flood and paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' after you boot without the usb headset and then plug it in
[06:41] <piratePenguin> crimsun: k... brb
[06:41] <MainVoid> crimsun, u a maintainer or developer for ubuntu?
[06:41] <Ephemeral> hmm that didnt worj
[06:41] <basttrax> anyone know how to install the .bin files. the automatic install types?
[06:41] <piratePenguin> sh whatever.bin
[06:41] <piratePenguin> make sure its executable
[06:41] <MainVoid> basttrax, see above, already replied 2 u..
[06:42] <crimsun> MainVoid: not yet.
[06:42] <basttrax> oh crap
[06:42] <basttrax> sorry
[06:42] <MainVoid> crimsun, sounds like there's an aspiration to become one.. ;)
[06:42] <MainVoid> basttrax, no probs.. ;)
[06:42] <crimsun> MainVoid: everyone can.
[06:42] <bzbb> ugh
[06:42] <bzbb> jack is making my head hurt
[06:43] <MainVoid> crimsun, I was more thinking of "where do I send praise?" kinda thing..
[06:43] <runenes> when trying to compile plib i get "checking for glNewList in -lMesaGL... no" and "could not find working GL library". What do I need to install?
[06:43] <Br34ch> !ping
[06:43] <crimsun> MainVoid: just stick around and continue helping others :)
[06:43] <MainVoid> crimsun, ubuntu is the only dist so far that has recognised *all* the hardware devices in thi laptop u see.. ;)
[06:44] <MainVoid> crimsun, :D Yup, it sounds like I may be spending some time here.. ;)
[06:44] <bzbb> I can't wait to try to install ubuntu on my portege
[06:44] <bzbb> subnotebooks suck that way
[06:45] <crimsun> MainVoid: it would be helpful to note that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[06:45] <MainVoid> bzbb, I'm runninga a IBM ThinkPad T42, with centrino etc. etc. etc. Ubuntu found it all, and configured it all, without even having to ask one question.. I am pretty pleased with that!
[06:45] <MainVoid> crimsun, on my way there then! ;)
[06:45] <bzbb> I tried to install linux on this before
[06:45] <bzbb> and it didn't like my pcmcia cdrom
[06:45] <monty38> hello all
[06:45] <bzbb> and there is no internall cdrom
[06:45] <crimsun> MainVoid: there's actually already a note there, but feel free to register and append your comments to the T42 section.
[06:48] <MainVoid> crimsun, yeah, I'll be testing the things they calim don't work as well..
[06:48] <Cindux> hey all
[06:48] <MainVoid> crimsun, things is, there's a ton of different T42 models about so...
[06:49] <crimsun> MainVoid: understood :)
[06:49] <MainVoid> bzbb, so, what was the distro, and how long ago was it?
[06:49] <no0tic> is it possible to share a scanner?
[06:49] <no0tic> like a printer?
[06:49] <Cindux> yes
[06:49] <crimsun> piratePenguin: ok, so seems correct. I presume sound works directly out of the onboard, correct?
[06:49] <bzbb> well, I tried debian, redhat, mandrake, and turbolinux, way back when potato was new
[06:49] <piratePenguin> crimsun: yup
[06:49] <arabflak> Heyhey :)
[06:50] <Cindux> hm
[06:50] <MainVoid> bzbb, Ah, well, that was a while ago alright.... ;)
[06:50] <no0tic> Cindux: you were talking to me?
[06:50] <bzbb> so, things have changed a bit
[06:50] <Cindux> yep
[06:50] <arabflak> I'm having a TINY problem here.
[06:50] <arabflak> (as usual.
[06:50] <Cindux> its very easy to do
[06:50] <crimsun> piratePenguin: and if you boot with the usb headset plugged in, what does /proc/asound/cards show?
[06:50] <arabflak> ehm, i'm trying to rebuild a RPM, but it's not working.
[06:50] <arabflak> i get a shitload of errors.
[06:50] <MainVoid> bzbb, yeah.. things have progressed a bit since those days... ;)
[06:50] <Cindux> the obvious answer is having 2 pc's networked
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: same... I think...
[06:51] <crimsun> arabflak: what are you trying to rebuild? It seems the long way around to rebuild a RPM and then use alien to convert it to deb.
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: will I plug it in now?
[06:51] <crimsun> piratePenguin: will you verify please?
[06:51] <no0tic> Cindux: all me if you are talking to me, so I can highlight your messages to me
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: righteo.. brb
[06:51] <no0tic> s/all/call
[06:51] <no0tic> Cindux:  I have two PC in net
[06:51] <Cindux> im talking to you ;)
[06:51] <bzbb> what we need is a kernel module to shovel snow
[06:51] <Cindux> sd
[06:51] <arabflak> I'm looking for a good clone of jezzball for my sister, and well, to be very honest, I can't find one. Now I found IceBreaker, and I don't get it at all (note: me=linuxn00b)
[06:52] <MainVoid> bzbb, LOL
[06:52] <bzbb> pain in the ass blizzards
[06:52] <Cindux> lol
[06:52] <bzbb> apt-get install snow-shovel
[06:52] <Cindux> the pile of snow on the left of my driveway
[06:52] <Cindux> is about the same height as me :D
[06:52] <Cindux> 5'8 - 5'9
[06:52] <LinuxJones> bzbb, I am getting 65 cm of snow and 100 km/hr winds
[06:52] <njan> rofl, bzbb
[06:52] <Cindux> lo
[06:53] <bzbb> we have 2 feet here
[06:53] <Cindux> we had a snowstorm yesterday
[06:53] <MainVoid> bzbb, ignore snow, light fireplace, bring out a good book, laptop or whatever, and a nice drink of choice..
[06:53] <arabflak> I'm glad we just have yucky wet snow.
[06:53] <Cindux> the wind blew odd
[06:53] <bzbb> in northeast CT
[06:53] <no0tic> Cindux: how can I do it?
[06:53] <njan> The Following extra packages will also be installed: snow
[06:53] <LinuxJones> bzbb, that's the one it's just starting here right now
[06:53] <MainVoid> I'd be *happy* having propersnow here....
[06:53] <bzbb> I just got back from 3 weeks in chile where we had 70 mph winds on a regular basis
[06:53] <Cindux> er unfortunetly i could help you if it was 2 windows computers
[06:53] <Cindux> I'm practically a newb to Linux
[06:53] <arabflak> Join the club.
[06:54] <Cindux> Im just saying its possible & most likely very easy
[06:54] <Cindux> lol i did :d
[06:54] <bzbb> MainVoid, regarding drink of choice, my bottle of gin is snowed in
[06:54] <Cindux> So, by chance
[06:54] <Cindux> does anyone know where i could get some cheap desktop pc's on the net
[06:54] <MainVoid> bzbb, LOL, I *just* finished some hot chocolate spike with Stroh Rom 80%.. ;)
[06:55] <Cindux> new/used doesnt matter im looking for 2 desktops to test things on thats all
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, what country do u live in?
[06:55] <Cindux> Canada
[06:55] <bzbb> that bottle of sapphire makes shoveling more compelling
[06:55] <Cindux> i've been to tiger but they were newer desktops
[06:55] <Cindux> I actually need old hardware
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, sorry, no idea about .ca stores...
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, in that case, check ebay..
[06:55] <MainVoid> bzbb, <g>
[06:56] <Cindux> heh ebay
[06:56] <Cindux> i always lose :
[06:56] <MainVoid> Cindux, hey, it works.. <g>
[06:56] <Guardiann> Cindux check the buy and sell paper
[06:56] <Cindux> woo someone else knows about the buy n sell
[06:56] <Cindux> I get it every friday
[06:56] <Guardiann> thers many in there if your looking
[06:56] <Cindux> I jst bought a 1.4 from it but thats all i found
[06:57] <jcoxon77> arabflak: not really ubuntu but you can share scanners on mandrake
[06:57] <piratePenguin> crimsun: yep, same
[06:57] <jcoxon77> via sane
[06:57] <Br34ch> Ng, there? :s
[06:57] <Ng> Br34ch: yep
[06:58] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, isn't sane distributed via ubuntu??
[06:58] <Br34ch> Ng> Br34ch: enabling the universe repository is very easy, hold on a sec I'll get you a link to an explanation  <---I missed it?
[06:58] <arabflak> jcoxon77, I think you're responding to the wrong person :P
[06:59] <jcoxon77> oh sorry
[06:59] <jcoxon77> yeah
[06:59] <Ng> Br34ch: oops, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[06:59] <jcoxon77> who was asking about shring scanners
[06:59] <Ng> Br34ch: after you have that you can tell Synaptic to install the xfce4 package and it should grab it all
[06:59] <jcoxon77> sharing
[07:00] <Br34ch> Got it, thank you
[07:00] <jcoxon77> sane is distributed with ubuntu
[07:00] <jcoxon77> but mandrake has its own config frontend
[07:00] <piratePenguin> crimsun: any ideas?
[07:01] <crimsun> piratePenguin: you didn't paste /proc/asound/cards
[07:01] <jcoxon77> all that was to no0tic if he/she is still around
[07:01] <crimsun> piratePenguin: usbaudio is an oss/free driver
[07:01] <arabflak> Okay, so I might have another, more important question. I have like a very miniscular apt-source and I'd like to know which I can add and how...
[07:02] <Br34ch> Ng: So . . . I just check that in the settings, and install it just like that? And that's . . . all?
[07:02] <MainVoid> no0tic, did u see wgar jcoxon77 wrote?
[07:02] <piratePenguin> crimsun: #flood
[07:03] <Ng> Br34ch: pretty much, yeah. reboot afterwards and xfce should be selectable if you hit "Sessions" on the login screen :)
[07:03] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, looks like no0tic has gone for lunch, or something.. ;)
[07:03] <jcoxon77> MainVoid :no worries
[07:03] <crimsun> piratePenguin: as I stated above, looking at your dmesg confirms that usbaudio, the oss/free driver that conflicts with alsa, has claimed your usb headset.
[07:05] <jcoxon77> MainVoid :basically he needs to use sane network daemon, if he comes back... :-)
[07:05] <Br34ch> Ohh
[07:05] <piratePenguin> crimsun: so how do I use the headset?
[07:05] <Br34ch> ng: Is it safe to mark everything for installation, that lists after i searched for "Xfce?"
[07:05] <Br34ch> 45 packages . . . I presume that'd be about 100 mb? o.0
[07:06] <njan> Br34ch, it probably won't break anything, but it'd be very messy
[07:06] <Ng> Br34ch: yep. When you hit Apply it will give you a complete list of what is being installed/upgraded, so you can check it's not going to remove anything
[07:06] <njan> Br34ch, just apt-get install xfce4
[07:06] <Ng> njan: that's exactly the same as doing it in synaptic, surely?
[07:06] <Br34ch> njan: It gives me scary messages when i do that..
[07:06] <njan> Ng, yes, but searching for xfce, you'll get every package with xfce in it
[07:06] <njan> Ng, which includes xfce (xfce3), and xfce4 if I'm not mistaken.
[07:06] <Ng> njan: I did say to install the xfce4 package :)
[07:06] <njan> Ng, and all of the addon packages as well
[07:07] <njan> Br34ch ng: Is it safe to mark everything for installation, that lists after i searched for "Xfce?"
[07:07] <njan> Ng, but that's what he asked :)
[07:07] <Ng> true
[07:07] <Ng> but running to a shell is a poor solution ;)
[07:07] <njan> well, then, search for the xfce4 package and install that :p
[07:07] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, If I'll see him/her I'll try to remember.. ;)
[07:07] <crimsun> piratePenguin: sudo modprobe -r usbaudio && sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio
[07:07] <Ng> Br34ch: only mark the xfce4 package for installation in synaptic, or use the shell command njan gave you (run it with sudo)
[07:07] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # apt-get install xfce4 // E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) // E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? //
[07:07] <jcoxon77> MainVoid: thanks
[07:07] <njan> Ng, I find the shell easier to use than synaptic :p
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, that's because you have synaptic running at the same time
[07:08] <Br34ch> Oh, okay
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, you can only have one apt-related application running at a time :)
[07:08] <piratePenguin> crimsun:  root@piratepenguin:/proc/asound # modprobe -r usbaudio
[07:08] <piratePenguin> FATAL: Module usbaudio not found.    :|
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, so if you have synaptic running, just select the xfce4 package and install that
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, it'll select all the other packages that it needs to install xfce4 automagically, as they're dependancies of the xfce4 package
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, so you'll have xfce4-icons, xfce4-themes, etc.
[07:08] <Br34ch> It's . . . working :D
[07:09] <Br34ch> closed the Synaptic and it worked.. I'm happy that it worked, because yesterday I couldn't do anything with that . . . most said it was because I hadn't "universe enabled" or something of that sort..
[07:09] <njan> of course! did you expect it to break? :-p
[07:10] <MainVoid> it's _not_ windows.. ;)
[07:11] <crimsun> piratePenguin: please paste `lsmod' output to http://pastebin.ca
[07:12] <piratePenguin> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/4639
[07:13] <uta> hey!! habt ihr plan wie ich ICQ auf mein ubuntu krieg ??
[07:13] <Br34ch> out of the topic question - is there such a plugin for xchat, that'll let me . . . "minimize" it to taskbar.. kinda like GAIM
[07:13] <piratePenguin> huh? use GAIM
[07:13] <piratePenguin> ^ uta
[07:14] <Br34ch> As if I was to press Shit and click the minimize button on win mIRC
[07:14] <piratePenguin> lol
[07:14] <Cloudchaser> ogra are you here by chance?
[07:14] <Br34ch> uta.. that wasn't the answer for me now, was it?
[07:14] <crimsun> piratePenguin: you need to modprobe -r audio
[07:15] <Scooter> Hi all! I am trying to get my joystick working with a game of mine, and when the game exits I get an error. /dev/js0: no such file or directory... is there some other place I might find the Joystick? I have it working with most of my other games..
[07:15] <Ng> Br34ch: there is a plugin for that, but I'm not sure if it'll be very easy to install :(
[07:16] <piratePenguin> crimsun: apparently its in use :@
[07:16] <Br34ch> eeps
[07:16] <Cloudchaser> maybe someone else can help me out..i went to gnoppix.org and it says there's a new hoary live cd out as of jan 20..i download it and try to run it and it seems to be an installer, not a live cd!
[07:16] <piratePenguin> crimsun: I'll reboot anyhow, and see what happens
[07:16] <Br34ch> Well, this . . . thing is complete, I'm gonna reboot and try tweaking with that.. once again, thanks everyone for the help.. :D
 go to Distrowatch.com ,they have a nnewer version link..
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> has anyone else tried or found a new hoary live cd?
[07:17] <kent> Scooter, perhaps look at "dmesg" (run it in a terminal) when you insert the joystick? if its recognised, you will perhaps see which device it's at..)
[07:17] <Scooter> Thanks Kent  iwill try that :)
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> shouldn't that one on gnoppix site be fixed then?
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> wasted alot of time with downloading an installer instead of a live cd
[07:18] <offbyone> Has anyone here had any experience *troubleshooting* the fxglr module on ATI Mobility chipsets?
[07:18] <zenrox> Cloudchaser,  make shure the iso says livecd
[07:18] <arabflak> Okay, so, can anybody tell me where I can find the appropriate addable apt-sources for Ubuntu?
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> it didn't but there wasn't one that said live cd in the link to the live cd
[07:18] <zenrox> thats the one you want
[07:19] <Cloudchaser> Scooter, checking out that link now
[07:19] <MainVoid> arabflak, for hat?
[07:19] <MainVoid> s/hat/what/
[07:19] <arabflak> Because I had a re-install and my network stuff didn't get detected.
[07:19] <occy> crimsun: howdy, did you ever get that ltconf application ubunti-ified?
[07:19] <arabflak> I have now unblocked the normal apt-sources, but those are simple security updates and such.
[07:19] <arabflak> And I was wondering if there were others to add.
[07:20] <arabflak> (i'm currently upgrading my gnome-games :P lol)
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> scooter the distrowatch has the same announcment
[07:20] <ogra> Cloudchaser: sorry, i'm a bit busy atm, the new live cd is based on the installer, o your impression is correct :)
[07:20] <MainVoid> arabflak, well, what r ya looking for? or just in general u mean?
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> so its not a live cd after all ogra?
[07:20] <arabflak> Yeah, just in general.
[07:20] <ogra> Cloudchaser: it starts a live session at the point where the installer would start partitioning
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> oh how confusing
[07:21] <arabflak> For instance, I want to apt-get blender, but I can't, it's not on the currently added apt-servers.
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> so i have to let it get further than i did
[07:21] <piratePenguin> crimsun: still cant modprobe -r audio.. its in use..
[07:21] <arabflak> MainVoid, sorry about not highlighting these sentences, i'm kinda new at all this:)
[07:21] <MainVoid> arabflak, so, there was something specific u were looking for.. well, there's 2 things u can do there then...
[07:21] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they use the same base, so it will be possible to make a _real_ install from the livecd....unlike knoppix that just copys the image to HD
[07:22] <arabflak> MainVoid, and that would be?
[07:22] <crimsun> piratePenguin: grep ^audio /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll let it go longer next time to get to the live part
[07:22] <MainVoid> arabflak, either just get the src files and compile it urself, or ask for someone to become a maintainer for that package in ubuntu .. ;)
[07:22] <crimsun> ogra: 'afternoon, having a pleasant weekend? :)
[07:22] <arabflak> :P
[07:22] <piratePenguin> crimsun: no autput
[07:22] <arabflak> But what i was wondering was what apt-servers i could add to my sources list :P
[07:22] <ogra> piratePenguin: sorry, i will look into your isdn prob during the next week, i have to set up my testing ground again
[07:23] <piratePenguin> ogra: heh, thanks aloty
[07:23] <piratePenguin> alot*
[07:23] <Cloudchaser> thanks for the info ogra, i'll give it another try
[07:23] <ogra> crimsun: yup, just finished this one ;) http://www.grawert.net/xss_shot_2.png
[07:23] <fc_> how do I start samba on reboot?
[07:23] <Scooter> can I flood here?
[07:24] <ogra> Scooter: in #flood please :)
[07:24] <Scooter> k thanks
[07:24] <crimsun> piratePenguin: right, I just remembered it's not in that version distributed with warty.
[07:25] <crimsun> piratePenguin: echo audio | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:25] <Scooter> ok I pasted the joystick infor there, it is a USB joystick and gives me a few diffrent addresses..
[07:25] <crimsun> ogra: excellent
[07:25] <ogra> Scooter: 3 lines would have been ok here ;)
[07:25] <piratePenguin> crimsun: 'audio'
[07:25] <Scooter> ok :)
[07:26] <fc_> can anyone please tell me how I start samba on boot??
[07:26] <quitte> has someone successfully compiled pcmcia-cs modules for a 2.6 kernel - or can tell me how to do that?
[07:26] <ogra> fc_: if its installed and configured correctly it should start automatically
[07:26] <fc_> oh
[07:27] <crimsun> piratePenguin: right. Now when you reboot, audio won't be loaded automatically.
[07:27] <quitte> i need a driver that only exists as a patch to pcmcia-cs.
[07:27] <quitte> and i dont want to go back to 2.4
[07:27] <ogra> fc_: look in /etc/rc2.d if S20samba is present
[07:27] <njan> quitte, I'm not sure that pcmcia-cs works properly with the 2.6-series kernel..
[07:27] <njan> quitte, I seem to remember reading in the documentation that a lot of the drivers aren't compilable for 2.6..
[07:28] <njan> quitte, but I may be wrong, don't quote me on that; I'd check the pcmcia-cs documentation if I were you. That'll tell you either way, and if it's possible, it'll tell you how to compile them.
[07:28] <fc_> ogra, no
[07:28] <ogra> fc_: is samba already installed ?
[07:28] <fc_> ogra, yes
[07:28] <quitte> njan should be possible. i got latest source from the project homepage
[07:29] <piratePenguin> crimsun: cool.. so I'll reboot, modprobe -r usbaudio, and modprobe snd-usb-audio, then see what happens.. brb
[07:29] <fc_> it comes with warty right? And I already editted the config files
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: do you see the startscript in /etc/init.d ?
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: it isnt installed by default
[07:29] <fc_> no, thats why i asked
[07:29] <quitte> njan but configuring it it told me to disable pcmcia support in kernel - so i did. then it told me to enable it in kernels newer than 2.5 :/
[07:29] <fc_> oh
[07:29] <fc_> apt-get install samba?
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: no server stuff is installed by default
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: yup
[07:30] <fc_> 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com]
[07:30] <arabflak> -aw-
[07:31] <Schaap> Ok, what website sives a good explanation on how to instal/enable telnet server?
[07:31] <MainVoid> Schaap, why telnet, if I may ask?
[07:31] <ogra> Schaap: why not the safe variant ? (ssh)
[07:32] <zenrox> ya ssh is save
[07:32] <zenrox> safe
[07:35] <Cindux> bla
[07:35] <Cindux> buy n sell website doesnt include ads frmo ontario :(
[07:36] <MainVoid> Cindux, sounds like u've been visited by Mr. Murphy..
[07:36] <Cindux> i dunt get it
[07:36] <VipeRmaN> I have a question?
[07:37] <MainVoid> Cindux, Mr. Murphy or that they don't have ads from Ontario?
[07:37] <Cindux> * blink *
[07:37] <Cindux> buy n sell website has no ads for Ontario
[07:37] <MainVoid> VipeRmaN, and it is?
[07:37] <VipeRmaN> I just got my Ubuntu, Just checking before I install...   ...Does it have pretty good support for wireless cards?
[07:38] <ogra> VipeRmaN: yup
[07:38] <Cindux> 6.-
[07:38] <VipeRmaN> <<---- noob at linux
[07:38] <Guardiann> Cindu it sure does
[07:38] <LinuxJones> VipeRmaN, there is a compatibility page on the website for wireless cards
[07:38] <MainVoid> Cindux, LOL... well, there has to be some site that sells 'puters for Ontario...
[07:38] <VipeRmaN> Really? I was looking for that, Can I have link please?
[07:38] <Cindux> well i wouldnt mind buying from somewhere else
[07:38] <Cindux> if they shipped here
[07:39] <Mjolinor> anyone here to help me discover why I can't get an NFS mount working properly?
[07:39] <Cindux> I just need 1-2 cheap desktop pcs to test things on
[07:39] <MainVoid> VipeRmaN, my IBM T42's Centrino card worked right off the bat.. no probbs at all....
[07:39] <Cindux> 1.0ghz - 1.4ghz thats all
[07:39] <ogra> VipeRmaN: look in the wiki (www.ubuntulinux.org)
[07:39] <Guardiann> Cindu actually the buy and sell doesnt exist in Ontario
[07:39] <Guardiann> its called the super shopper
[07:39] <VipeRmaN> I have a Microsoft Wireless USB Adapter MN-510
[07:39] <LinuxJones> VipeRmaN >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=wireless%20network
[07:39] <Guardiann> http://www.supershopper.com/
[07:39] <Cindux> I get the buy and sell every week ;)
[07:39] <Cindux> and im in Ontario
[07:39] <VipeRmaN> ty for the links :)
[07:39] <Guardiann> must be the one your buying every friday
[07:40] <piratePenguin> crimsun: it works! thanks alot!
[07:40] <Cindux> yes = /
[07:40] <Guardiann> ok just thought I would let u know
[07:40] <VipeRmaN> Doesnt show it in there :(
[07:40] <Cindux> roaf
[07:40] <isom> a quick q: do I need universe to get firestarter? if so, how do I get universe?
[07:41] <ogra> VipeRmaN: what kind of card ?
[07:41] <Cindux> lol ye it is
[07:41] <Mjolinor> ok guess not :) so can anyone give me a server /channel where I can get soem NFS help?
[07:41] <Cloudchaser> well that wasn't too impressive for the live hoary cd
[07:41] <MainVoid> Cindux, lol
[07:41] <VipeRmaN> Ive been looking for a linux with support for my Adapter, I have linspire thats the closest thing, but it works when it wants to, usually only once per install.. and Its a "Microsoft Wireless USB Adapter MN-510"
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> no usb mouse and display was not quite right
[07:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its alpha....
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> couldn't change the resolution to be better
[07:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but you had X ?
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> yes
[07:43] <Cindux> lol
[07:43] <ogra> thats great for a start.....you can be sure it will improve....which one did you download ?
[07:43] <jcoxon77> VipeRman, i think the MN-510 is supported by linux-wlan-ng drivers
[07:43] <Cindux> anyone selling desktop pc's :D
[07:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the daily from today ?
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> ogra it was hoary_0.9.3b3-i386
[07:44] <VipeRmaN> Well I guess I could install and find out lol.. I put the live cd in and it didnt seem to work but im guessing thats because it doesnt install drivers and stuff correct?
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> from jan 20
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> from the gnoppix site,
[07:44] <jcoxon77> VipeRmN, well on synaptic there is the option to install these drivers
[07:44] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> kinda confused on the gnoppix/ubuntu thing
[07:45] <jcoxon77> they aren't installed by default
[07:45] <ogra> heh
[07:45] <isom> how do I enable universe?
[07:45] <VipeRmaN> what is that? (im completely noob when it comes to linux, but want to learn)
[07:45] <ogra> isom: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:46] <isom> ogra: thx
[07:46] <Cloudchaser> would there be huge strides in 3 days ogra?
[07:46] <llun_ved> I have a question regarding the Ubuntu 5.4 release. Is anyone using it? Is it stable?
[07:46] <Cloudchaser> i could download that and try it i guess
[07:46] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: synaptic basically is a program that goes and gets from the ubuntu servers more software
[07:46] <ogra> Cloudchaser: maybe
[07:46] <mjr> llun_ved, yes, no
[07:46] <jcoxon77> you would basically have to install
[07:46] <Guardiann> llun_ved its working for me
[07:46] <Br34ch> Xfce up and working
[07:46] <Br34ch> :D
[07:47] <jcoxon77> get your system running and then go onto synaptic and select wlan-ng drivers to be installed
[07:47] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i unno how the sysncing between hoary and gnoppix works, so it may be the hoary is ahead
[07:47] <Cloudchaser> i thought they were the same now
[07:47] <VipeRmaN> ok so I dont have to know how to program and stuff to do this?
[07:47] <Cloudchaser> why have one distro with 2 names?
[07:47] <jcoxon77> in theory no
[07:48] <Cindux> it sounds coolo]
[07:48] <jcoxon77> installing should be easy (not promising anything)
[07:48] <jcoxon77> configuring wlan-ng is a bit strange but possible
[07:48] <VipeRmaN> lol i understand.. well I have an older computer too, maybe ill install on that first
[07:48] <jcoxon77> thats probably best
[07:48] <jcoxon77> i'm sure anyone on here will help if you run  into problems
[07:48] <VipeRmaN> :)
[07:49] <VipeRmaN> let me hook the acient thing up lol
[07:49] <jcoxon77> :)
[07:49] <ogra> VipeRmaN: it depends on the chipset in your adapter, with a little luck the is a prism2 chipset inside, then it will be supported by default :)
[07:50] <VipeRmaN> I think it is, when i was playing with mandrake I kept seeing something about prism2 with my adapter
[07:50] <llun_ved> I am currently running slackware but I will make a complete jump to Ubuntu one I know it will recognize my USB device.
[07:50] <jcoxon77> ogra: i think it is prism2
[07:50] <llun_ved> I use the the Live CD at work
[07:50] <jcoxon77> ogra: lots of linuxquestions.org posts about it
[07:50] <ogra> VipeRmaN: great, prism2 has a kernel module, you wont need the wlan-ng stuff
[07:50] <jcoxon77> good point - stuff the wlan-ng
[07:50] <VipeRmaN> mind if I add any of you to my messengers for other help?
[07:50] <ogra> VipeRmaN: so it should work out of the box
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> I really want to learn how to do this and dont even know where to start
[07:51] <ogra> VipeRmaN: just come back here again if you got questions
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> <- tired of windows
[07:51] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: i recommend diving in and installing
[07:51] <Zotnix_> What I did.
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> =)
[07:51] <ogra> VipeRmaN: most of us are ;)
[07:52] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: ubuntu is great at getting you to a working desktop
[07:52] <Zotnix_> I was using Windows ME on my laptop... finally got fed up, bought RH8 and installed.
[07:52] <jcoxon77> with little hassle
[07:52] <jcoxon77> from there you can sort out the little things
[07:52] <piratePenguin> how do I go about getting my mic working now eh? (usb.. headset)
[07:52] <VipeRmaN> good, What I would really like is something easy like windows but the freedom of linux ya know? thought I would get that from linspire and somehow I found ubuntu and just got my cds yesterday lol
[07:53] <setite> ubuntu free cds woot!
[07:53] <setite> they actually came
[07:53] <VipeRmaN> yes
[07:53] <aquarius> The shortcut for "send to Trash" in Nautilus 2.8 seems to be ctrl+T. Can I turn that off?
[07:53] <VipeRmaN> 4.1 supports the wlan right
[07:54] <VipeRmaN> or prism wahtever it is
[07:54] <setite> stop hitting CTRL+T?
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: i should hope so
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: the kernel is definitly new enough
[07:54] <VipeRmaN> ok good :) just thought about it, saw someone say something about 5.4
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: i'm actually running hoary and wlan definitly works
[07:54] <isom> I've installed firestarter and now I try to run it, and it asks for my root password. I type it in but it says that it's wrong. I've retried more than five times. is it some other password it's asking? I enter the same password that I write when doing sudo in console
[07:55] <aquarius> setite, not when it's the shortcut for "new tab" in Firefox. If the window focused is a folder rather than Firefox and I don't notice, it trashes whatever's selected.
[07:55] <ogra> isom: it has a bug....edit the launcher settings to use gksudo instead of gksu
[07:55] <setite> yea i figured thats why you wanted to change it...
[07:55] <isom> ogra: ok
[07:55] <VipeRmaN> :)
[07:55] <piratePenguin> anyone here use a plantronic's headset?
[07:55] <setite> i honestly have no idea where such settings are... i dont see why on earth there is a hotkey combo for soemthign like that when delete works just fine
[07:56] <aquarius> setite, but I can't find anywhere to configure Nautilus' shortcuts. "Keyboard shortcuts" in Desktop Preferences seems to only configure metacity.
[07:56] <occy> crimsun: at the risk of sounding annoying.....  ltconf?  :)
[07:56] <minde911> Hi all, i have problem on my Acer laptop, when i booting i get error with Acer non PnP Bios, can help me anybody how-to solve this problem?
[07:57] <mjg59> minde911: Does it actually stop it from booting?
[07:57] <setite> http://gnomesupport.org/wiki/index.php/KeyboardShortcuts
[07:57] <setite> ah... nevermind
[07:57] <setite> that just lists them
[07:58] <drspin> does anyone know how I can access my Palm database files?
[07:58] <minde911> no, but  kernel says to boot with nobiospnp option, how to set this option
[07:58] <aquarius> setite, I tried that :)
[07:59] <setite> http://www.gnome.org/learn/intro/2.2/ar01s06.html
[07:59] <setite> the nautilus manual perhaps?
[07:59] <Br34ch> heheh.. weird and 'tupit question: What exactly is nautilus?
[08:00] <setite> i wish i knew
[08:00] <randabis> a file manager
[08:00] <setite> i think its like windows explorer for linux
[08:00] <setite> namely gnome
[08:00] <Br34ch> randabis: Good morning.. and I'm using Xfce right now :D
[08:00] <Zotnix_> Heh, the unstable release freezes as much as explorer too ;)
[08:00] <setite> whats the purpose of xfce
[08:00] <setite> low resource?
[08:00] <drspin> the file manager = nautilus
[08:00] <setite> minimalist?
[08:01] <Djassper> hi
[08:01] <Br34ch> Ohh, kinda like . . . Windows Explorer!
[08:01] <setite> thats what i said
[08:01] <drspin> setite: XFCE is a simple, fast and extendable desktop environment
[08:01] <setite> ummmm
[08:01] <setite> i love when answers further my confusion
[08:02] <setite> what do you mean by extendable
[08:02] <Djassper> someone knows how to add windows transparency ?
[08:02] <setite> if you do dont tell me
[08:02] <drspin> plugins
[08:02] <setite> transparency hurts my eyes within momenys
[08:02] <setite> moments*
[08:03] <Djassper> yes but for terminal windows it is cool to see the readme by transparency, how to do that ?
[08:05] <drspin> net.split
[08:05] <drspin> ...
[08:05] <VipeRmaN> um woah
[08:05] <jcoxon77> wow
[08:05] <Schaap> well, havent seen a net split before?
[08:05] <PotajiTo> nice
[08:07] <mhz> any one using fluxbox under ubuntu?
[08:09] <VipeRmaN> how do i go about installing if my computer doesnt boot from cd
[08:10] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: have you changed the bios to boot off the cd first?
[08:10] <VipeRmaN> lol well thats teh problem, it doesnt seem to be letting me into bios
[08:11] <Schaap> ?
[08:11] <Schaap> you forgot the password?
[08:11] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: hmmm what type of computer are you trying on?
[08:11] <calamari> hi
[08:11] <Schaap> try bashing F1, alt+f2 or del during start up
[08:11] <VipeRmaN> no, DEL isnt letting me in.. its real old, old cyrix with AMI bios
[08:12] <VipeRmaN> ok, im gonna let it finish sending me some files then i'll try it :)
[08:12] <Schaap> my old IBM want F1 :p
[08:12] <VipeRmaN> well I was hitting all the F keys lol, but maybe the alt f2 will work or something..
[08:13] <Schaap> damn, stuck wiht the losers
[08:14] <kent> wow
[08:15] <giard> how do you set your cpu frequency scaling?
[08:16] <giard> ahh, I get it, it's automatic
[08:16] <giard> gotcha
[08:17] <jcoxon77> no0tic: you asked earlier about sharing scanners i think
[08:17] <jcoxon77> no0tic: well if you did you need sane network daemon
[08:17] <no0tic> jcoxon77: done!
[08:18] <jcoxon77> no0tic: cool
[08:18] <piratePenguin> crimsun: know how I'll get this mic working?
[08:18] <VipeRmaN> FINALLY
[08:18] <VipeRmaN> got into bios lol
[08:18] <no0tic> jcoxon77: thanks anyway! very kind from you
[08:18] <jcoxon77> no0tic: no worries
[08:19] <no0tic> jcoxon77: I found a very cool tutorial on internet
[08:19] <VipeRmaN> there it goes... :)
[08:19] <jcoxon77> no0tic: i think i found it as well
[08:19] <jcoxon77> no0tic: lol
[08:19] <RobbieB> Hi, is there somebody here who recently built their own Ubunto <IP_ADDRESS> kernel?
[08:21] <sgc> hello
[08:21] <Schaap> alt+f2 ?
[08:21] <VipeRmaN> nope just F2 :)
[08:21] <Schaap> ahaa
[08:22] <VipeRmaN> (also got closer to my base for my wireless keyboard
[08:24] <VipeRmaN> I don't think ubuntu is liking my other computer lol
[08:24] <DragoraN> hi
[08:24] <DragoraN> please.. how to download kde 3.3.1 for ubuntu?
[08:25] <Riddell> DragoraN: you can't, it's KDE 3.2 or 3.3.2 only
[08:25] <DragoraN> co 3.3.2
[08:25] <Schaap> thats mean
[08:25] <DragoraN> co-so
[08:25] <cardador> DragoraN: use Synaptic
[08:25] <DragoraN> ?? what?
[08:25] <Riddell> DragoraN: add the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core
[08:25] <DragoraN> i have universes added
[08:25] <mhz> anyone using fluxbox here?
[08:26] <Riddell> DragoraN: apt-get update && apt-get install kde-core
[08:26] <VipeRmaN> What are the min req for Ubuntu?
[08:26] <Riddell> DragoraN: make sure you're using hoary not warty
[08:26] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: well it depends
[08:26] <piratePenguin> mhz: I have used it... not on ubuntu.. whats wrong?
[08:26] <DragoraN> iam warty
[08:26] <DragoraN> :( damn
[08:26] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: in therory as long as its a 386
[08:27] <SirPsy> how to autoexecute ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 10 duplex half during bootup ?
[08:27] <DragoraN> Riddell: so its impossible?
[08:27] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: what mhz is your computer?
[08:27] <Riddell> DragoraN: its very possible, what isn't working for you?
[08:27] <crimsun> occy: hmm, the compilation failed due to a syntax error. I'll have to look at uic.
[08:27] <DragoraN> Riddell: my kde is crashing.. kcrm or what.. khotkeys and so..
[08:27] <VipeRmaN> Ah, Well when I try to install I get this screen, "Load installer components from CD" "Installation step failed" 233 or 300..
[08:28] <crimsun> piratePenguin: is the usb headset detected now? which device is it, 0 or 1?
[08:28] <mhz> piratePenguin: the thing is that this is my 1st time using Fluxbox in a System that also has Gnome. So I have noticed there are some details regarding font sizes for some applications when run under Fluxbox BUT under Gnome.
[08:28] <VipeRmaN> but the bad part is it only has 32megs of ram
[08:28] <DragoraN> Riddell: and my geforce 4 mx 460 stops to send signal to monitor then startx, i see nvidia logo and then monitor goes to standby
[08:28] <DragoraN> Riddell: same in windows xp
[08:28] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: the ram should still be fine (i have linux (not ubuntu) on a 386 with 8mb of ram
[08:28] <SirPsy> refresh rate problem ?
[08:28] <VipeRmaN> hmm, cdrom?
[08:29] <ogra> VipeRmaN: the min reqs are 64MB for ubuntu
[08:29] <Cindux> viper why not run ubuntu live
[08:29] <crimsun> mhz: Are you saying some fonts sizes differ? Are you executing `gnome-settings-daemon' in a rxvt after fluxbox loads?
[08:29] <SirPsy> can anyone help me to force duplex settings during bootup ?
[08:29] <VipeRmaN> internet and such doesnt work with it
[08:29] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: i've got to go... but good luck! something will work in the end :)
[08:29] <crimsun> SirPsy: what did you need earlier?
[08:29] <ogra> VipeRmaN: to have a nice work experience you sould have at least 128, better 256MB
[08:29] <VipeRmaN> loL I'll get it, thanks for all the help jcoxon77
[08:29] <Cindux> i say 256,
[08:29] <SirPsy> earlier i couldnt install the e100 driver
[08:29] <Cindux> i have 128 and its still a bit laggy
[08:30] <Cindux> anyway
[08:30] <ogra> Cindux: imagine 64 ;)
[08:30] <Cindux> bla lol
[08:30] <SirPsy> wich i discussed with you yesterday orso, i solved the problem by blacklisting the ee100 module in hotplug
[08:30] <Schaap> Ok, ive tried seraching, but how do i enable telnet?
[08:30] <Cindux> i have 2 sticks of 128mb for my p3 600m hz
[08:30] <piratePenguin> crimsun: well I can hear sound outta it... its 0
[08:30] <Cindux> but the mobo only suppots 128
[08:30] <Cindux> :(
[08:30] <Schaap> server on ubunte?
[08:30] <SirPsy> now i got the nic working sofar i can use it
[08:30] <VipeRmaN> Well ihave a computer with an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 1.67ghz and 512mb of  ram but wanted to test on something else first
[08:30] <mhz> crimsun: hi. Nop. Basically, if I run Firefox (for example) or Xchat under Gnome, they look alright. Once I run them under Fluxbox, fons get too small.
[08:30] <SirPsy> but after boot i have to set  ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 10 duplex half
[08:30] <crimsun> piratePenguin: what does /proc/asound/devices tell you regarding it?
[08:30] <SirPsy> in order to get it to work
[08:30] <Cindux> just do View - Increase text size
[08:31] <SirPsy> now is my question how to get it to use the speeds at bootup as it forgets when the settings after reboot
[08:31] <crimsun> mhz: so in a rxvt, execute `gnome-settings-daemon', then restart mozilla-firefox