[12:04] <LaserJock> what would that look like in the menu?
[12:05] <ogra> it would cut down a normal users menu to the minimal set of default apps, plus the ones from the metapackage
[12:05] <LaserJock> so more or less a custom menu depending on what metapackage is installed?
[12:05] <ogra> probably based on the groups the user is assigned to
[12:06] <ogra> i'd depend on more criteria
[12:06] <ogra> i.e. groups *and* metapackages
[12:06] <LaserJock> oh, so also depending on what group the user is assigned to
[12:06] <ogra> so you can heve a subset for certain users
[12:06] <ogra> *have
[12:07] <LaserJock> heh, well hopefully all the work we put into getting .desktop files for science apps will help
[12:07] <ogra> it should all work xdg based indeed
[12:09] <ogra> so yes, the work on the .desktop files is essential :)
[12:09] <LaserJock> has Debian done anything to move that way? or are they content with the Debian menu system?
[12:09] <ogra> they are also leaning towards xdg
[12:09] <LaserJock> well, we put in ~ 40 .desktop files for science apps in Dapper
[12:09] <ogra> i think the debian menus will even move to xdg at some point
[12:10] <ogra> cool
[12:11] <LaserJock> it was annoying me that apps weren't showing up in the menu, they still aren't categorized very well (split somwhere between Education and Other)
[12:13] <ogra> what does the xdg spec say ? does it allow maths, physics, biology submenus ?
[12:14] <LaserJock> it is somewhat hard to figure out
[12:14] <LaserJock> it says that those are all valid Categories
[12:14] <LaserJock> but it suggests putting Education in also
[12:14] <ogra> fine then :)
[12:14] <LaserJock> but then you get the app in both menus
[12:14] <ogra> lets keep education for kdeedu :)
[12:15] <LaserJock> I agree
[12:15] <ogra> and put the non kdeedu apps in the right places
[12:15] <LaserJock> I've been pretty opposed to just dumping science apps in Education
[12:15] <ogra> with proper categories
[12:15] <ogra> yep
[12:15] <ogra> i dont like it either
[12:15] <LaserJock> I've got a gnome bug open about adding a Science menu :-)
[12:16] <LaserJock> but seb128 said that it would go nowhere if I didn't have apps to fill it with
[12:16] <ogra> yep
[12:16] <LaserJock> so that's why I had MOTU Science go on the .desktop crusade :-)
[12:16] <ogra> but a science menu is as silly as an education menu
[12:16] <LaserJock> somewhat
[12:16] <ogra> lets just categorize them right
[12:17] <LaserJock> so like Chemistry, Biology, etc.?
[12:17] <ogra> or havea science menu with submenus, but thats somehow against the xdg spec
[12:17] <ogra> so yes, liek  like Chemistry, Biology, etc.
[12:18] <LaserJock> hmm, but then that is sort of against the whole MenusRevisited thing
[12:18] <ogra> MenusRevisited only counts for the default desktop anyway
[12:19] <ogra> and i dont really care for edubuntu to be honest, out target audience is different
[12:19] <LaserJock> well, I agree for sure, but that is the line seb128 gave me when I asked about getting a Science menu
[12:19] <ogra> s/care for/care for it for/
[12:20] <ogra> we have no science apps in the default install in ubuntu, as long as its xdg spec compliant, all should be fine
[12:22] <Burgwork> ogra, submenus are evil
[12:22] <Burgwork> especially for kids, who may not have a motor control
[12:22] <ogra> Burgwork, we dont talk about kids specifically
[12:23] <Burgwork> sure, but even I hate three levels of menus
[12:23] <ogra> and i already said that its against the spec in the same sentence :)
[12:23] <Burgwork> true, but then you said you didn;t care so much for the spec
[12:23] <ogra> nope
[12:23] <ogra> i said i dont care at all for MenusRevisited in edubuntu
[12:23] <Burgwork> ah
[12:25] <ogra> out seeds will differ more over time ... so our app selection wont be the same anymore
[12:27] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I'll be interested in this dynamic menus thing. I don't know how much help I'd be (I know a bit about the xdg specs) but I'd like to help if I can.
[12:28] <ogra> thats what i was hoping for ;)
[12:28] <LaserJock> unfortunately, I don't even really have a place to use ltsp so I feel rather useless to Edubuntu
[12:29] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: neither do I, so I focus on other things
[12:29] <ogra> edubuntu is not only ltsp :)
[12:30] <ogra> let me care for ltsp, and you guys care for stuff i dont know ;)
[12:30] <LaserJock> ok
[12:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:30] <ogra> like uni stuff :)
[12:30] <LaserJock> well, if I could ever get the MS strangle hold off the deparment computer lab I'd have a chance to get ltsp
[12:31] <LaserJock> it would be perfect for Edubuntu
[12:31] <LaserJock> but I'm afraid that I wouldn't have a chance
[12:31] <ogra> just demo it one day :)
[12:32] <LaserJock> I was thinking about it.
[12:34] <LaserJock> right now it is just a bunch of individual (~10-15) computers that have Windows on them and some sort of image thing where when you reboot it wipes out all the changes
[12:34] <ogra> yep, i know these systems
[12:34] <ogra> actually i was asked to implement a dual boot mode into ltsp :)
[12:35] <ogra> so you could either boot ltsp or a windows image
[12:36] <LaserJock> but they are horrendously unstable
[12:36] <LaserJock> and they only have 1 or 2 proprietary apps for science
[12:36] <ogra> the suse based solution they wanted to replace was quite stable :)
[12:36] <LaserJock> Universe has a lot more, and for free
[12:37] <ogra> but it was a proprietary app developed on top of a suse
[12:38] <LaserJock> so right now it is used basically for web surfing and email for the students in the department. I think it could be a whole lot more with Edubuntu and it could be a lot more efficient with ltsp
[12:38] <ogra> at least it could also be used for sufing and mail with edubuntu ;)
[12:38] <LaserJock> but... I'd have to convince the people in charge and the students wouldn't like not having MS I don't think
[12:39] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: honestly, if it's anything like the uni I went to, if it has all thier favorite goofing off tools, they'll adjust quickly (but with much whining)
[12:40] <LaserJock> perhaps, they do all their IMing and crap and the deparment complains that it isn't being used effectively as a learning tool
[12:40] <HedgeMage> lol :)
[12:41] <HedgeMage> IM is a valuable collaboration tool :P
[12:41] <HedgeMage> (or so I told the ta who caught me doing it in class)
[12:41] <LaserJock> heh
[12:46] <LaserJock> well, I'm pretty excited about Ubuntu in the sciences
[12:46] <LaserJock> in my department the only use right now for Linux is for servers and computational clusters
[12:47] <LaserJock> nobody uses Linux for desktop use
[12:47] <LaserJock> I think Ubuntu makes a great desktop platform for scientists
[12:47] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: at my uni we had 0 linux machines, 1 solaris machine, 1 ux machine, and a lot of windoze :(
[12:49] <LaserJock> we have probably 4 computational clusters (mostly running SuSe) and Windows, and quite a few macs
[12:49] <LaserJock> the macs are a compromise for the people who used to run Linux
[12:49] <HedgeMage> lol
[12:50] <ogra> *g*
[12:50] <LaserJock> my group used to be exclusively Linux run (we had about 5 computers) and now we have 4 imacs and 1 debian box for data collection
[12:50] <LaserJock> in my department Linux is totally losing out to macs :(
[12:51] <HedgeMage> awww
[12:51] <LaserJock> but it is because they only now Linux of 5 years ago. They have no clue about desktop Linux
[12:51] <LaserJock> and certainly not Ubuntu
[12:52] <LaserJock> which I guess is my fault in a way
[12:52] <LaserJock> but they are so resistent to change and macs are the new status symbol
[12:52] <LaserJock> hehe, thanks HedgeMage
[12:53] <HedgeMage> ;) any time
[12:53] <LaserJock> I went to the Americal Chemical Society national meeting (~20,000 chemists) and I would guess that 90% of the laptops I saw were macs
[12:53] <ogra> just run ubuntu at work, their curiosity is your friend ;)
[12:53] <LaserJock> ogra: my Ubuntu box got replaces with an iMac
[12:54] <LaserJock> :(
[12:54] <ogra> about time we support the intel macs then :)
[12:54] <LaserJock> yes
[12:54] <ogra> eft will, pretty sure
[12:54] <LaserJock> I'm scrounging around the lab looking for any box I can put Ubuntu on
[12:55] <LaserJock> luckly a post doc left and I think I can wipe one of his computers :-)
[12:55] <ogra> heh
[12:55] <LaserJock> but there is the big sterotype of Linux is only for servers
[12:55] <ogra> yep
[12:56] <ogra> for terminal servers ;)
[12:56] <crimsun> and desktop servers.
[12:56] <LaserJock> but I was able to do calculations on my Ubuntu box using ghemical when my collegues where using $2000 programs on the computational clusters
[12:57] <LaserJock> and then I had all the tools to deal with the data (some python scripting, gnuplot, LaTeX, etc.)
[12:57] <LaserJock> all on the same computer
[12:58] <LaserJock> It was way easier to set up our new color printer in Ubuntu than in Windows even
[12:59] <LaserJock> argg, it just irritates me that they still insist on using an inferior product and are happy to pay thousands of dollars for it >:/
[12:59] <HedgeMage> pardon the off-topic-ness, but does anyone in here use jabber, and if so, what server(s) ?
[12:59] <LaserJock> jabber.org
[01:00] <HedgeMage> I'm wondering which other ones are big...
[01:00] <ogra> LaserJock, in my last company i worked 1 year as so called "expert informationmanagement" (that silly crap fits on no business card), i had a dual xeon desktop machine with 2 500GB scis disks, running a local mysql copy of the companys orcale database
[01:01] <HedgeMage> jabber.org seems to go down a lot, or at least my connection to it does... my new web host gives me my own jabber server(s) and peers to gtalk and one or two other places, but I want to get them to peer more... I already asked for jabber.org but am wondering if there are others I should request.
[01:03] <LaserJock> the thing for me is that we are almost never using computers in our classes here. Ubuntu + ghemical alone could revolutionize teaching in my department
[01:03] <crimsun> really? computers are used all the time here
[01:04] <LaserJock> crimsun: the chemistry department hasn't figured out how to do it right, at all.
[01:04] <LaserJock> for undergrads, there is one lab they do on the computers (in the nasty computer lab) and it is really a mess
[01:05] <LaserJock> for grads, there is only 1 class that uses the computational clusters to do some fun stuff
[01:05] <crimsun> wow.
[01:05] <HedgeMage> wow
[01:06] <crimsun> at unc we used windows programs fairly regularly from freshman chem through pchem
[01:06] <LaserJock> but students have hardly any time to work on them because they have to check out the software from the library
[01:06] <LaserJock> and use them in the computer lab
[01:06] <LaserJock> which is always a mess
[01:08] <LaserJock> the physics department does have a computer lab that is freebsd I think
[01:08] <LaserJock> but they don't really let anybody in there
[01:08] <crimsun> heh, that's how we were in the cs dept ;)
[01:09] <LaserJock> all the chem profs here, when I ask about using computers in teaching, pretty much say that is doesn't work and students don't get anything out of it
[01:10] <LaserJock> but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the students don't have ready access to any scientific apps
[01:12] <LaserJock> anyway </rant> for a bit :-)
[01:16] <HedgeMage> New revalation: talked to the jabber folks, it seems that manual peering isn't neccessary... unless it's blocked all jabber servers should be able to talk to one another... I'll have to talk to my host.
[08:37] <cbx33> morning all
[08:37] <cbx33> generally do we use glade or glade2 now for UI design?
[08:40] <cbx33> mornin highvoltage
[08:42] <highvoltage> morning cbx33
[09:48] <pygi> hi people
[09:49] <highvoltage> hi pygi
[09:49] <HedgeMage> hi pygi
[09:52] <pygi> ogra: still around?
[09:52] <pygi> whats up highvoltage, HedgeMage
[09:52] <highvoltage> at work, trying to make sense of things
[09:53] <cbx33> hey pygi
[09:53] <cbx33> did ya get my assignment :p
[09:53] <HedgeMage> pygi: I should sleep but I'm not
[09:53] <HedgeMage> hubby's gonna kick me in the morning
[09:54] <pygi> cbx33, indeed, will see it a bit later :)
[09:54] <pygi> HedgeMage, :)
[09:54] <cbx33> it all works :p
[09:54] <pygi> cbx33, hehe :)
[09:54] <pygi> congrats :P
[09:55] <pygi> heh
[09:56] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: what's your local time?
[09:56] <HedgeMage> 1am
[09:57] <pygi> HedgeMage, heh,thats early :)
[09:57] <pygi> no sleeping yet :P
[09:57] <pygi> hi spacey
[09:58] <spacey> i'm going mad
[09:58] <spacey> my room is too hot in the morning
[09:58] <pygi> heh, you are going mad? what should I say then..
[09:58] <spacey> but hi
[09:59] <spacey> my concentration span has been terrible the last few days :/
[10:00] <spacey> and its not because of lack of coffee :P
[10:02] <HedgeMage> aww
[10:02] <pygi> good luck :)
[10:03] <pygi> ogra: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=ryan.rousseau@gmail.com:100a7238:19b589e0
[10:03] <pygi> he said he updated the application
[10:46] <pygi> JaneW, hi, around?
[10:51] <JaneW> hi pygi
[10:51] <pygi> I have read all, commented & ranked most
[10:53] <JaneW> no way!
[10:53] <JaneW> I am getting 502 errors :/
[10:53] <JaneW> pygi: you are incredible!
[10:53] <pygi> 502 errors? :-/
[10:54] <pygi> Nah, I am not..
[10:55] <jsgotangco> you did it all?
[10:55] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:56] <pygi> jsgotangco, I said most :P
[10:57] <pygi> but it might serve you as kindaof reference, altought that is just my opinion, so feel free to ignore it
[10:58] <JaneW> if I try to add a comment it returns... 502 Server Error
[10:58] <pygi> JaneW, ugh :((
[10:58] <pygi> I just added one more comment, and it worked
[10:58] <JaneW> yes the more mentors evaluate the more valid the rankings will be, so we mustn;t all rely on poor pugi doing everything
[10:58] <JaneW> pygi: odd...
[10:59] <cbx33> jsgotangco: sorry i popped out for a while.....is svn commit access possible
[11:01] <pygi> JaneW, indeed
[11:01] <jsgotangco> cbx33: not sure who handles the svn commit now, it used to be elmo
[11:02] <cbx33> could you put in a word for me?
[11:02] <cbx33> cos I'd gather I need to be advocated for it
[11:03] <cbx33> pygi: think I'm ready for graphicalness now in python :p
[11:04] <pygi> cbx33, pygtk, pyqt, or pyKDE?
[11:04] <cbx33> gtk
[11:05] <pygi> well ,then do something of your choosing and send it over :)
[11:05] <cbx33> hehe
[11:05] <cbx33> I'm gonna need to find a good tutorial first
[11:07] <pygi> oh,okki
[11:07] <pygi> http://www.moeraki.com/pygtktutorial/pygtk2tutorial/
[11:07] <pygi> note that I havent look at it :)
[11:07] <cbx33> hehe
[11:26] <cbx33> ping highvoltage
[11:26] <cbx33> did you manage to find that db?
[11:32] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:32] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[11:32] <cbx33> python gui
[11:32] <cbx33> recommendations...?
[11:32] <cbx33> glade?
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, you mentor now, right ?
[11:32] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[11:33] <cbx33> i need a good primer if you know of one
[11:33] <ogra> its the easiest
[11:33] <ogra> just install glade2 or gazpacho and play a bit with it ;)
[11:33] <cbx33> ok, will do
[11:33] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah going to look into the stuff later after work
[11:33] <cbx33> what about the interfacing with python
[11:33] <jsgotangco> ogra: you want me to look into something specific?
[11:33] <cbx33> any good tuts you know of on that?
[11:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, if you want an edubuntu project: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=ryan.rousseau@gmail.com:100a7238:19b589e0 looks fine
[11:34] <ogra> (i dont see the urgent need the student describes though ;) )
[11:34] <jsgotangco> checking
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ogra: i am not sure, LAMS can do this but if we need something lightweight, it'll probably work
[11:39] <ogra> LAMS will get included at some point
[11:39] <ogra> its sabdfls current edu pet project
[11:39] <ogra> he puts a lot of effort into pushing the devs to make it work on non tomcat webservers :)
[11:39] <jsgotangco> but he has some code already and looks simple enough
[11:39] <ogra> yep
[11:40] <ogra> will be a relaxing mentor project i guess, he seems skilled and knows what he wants
[11:40] <ogra> so you would just have to observe i think
[11:40] <jsgotangco> would you like me to look over it?
[11:40] <ogra> and give a little poke in the right direction from time to time
[11:41] <jsgotangco> a lightweight app will surely be useful
[11:41] <ogra> its just an offer, as i said i dont see the urgent need for the program the student sees, but its a nice to have
[11:41] <jsgotangco> and he has goals already
[11:41] <ogra> and i expect it to be an easy mentorship ...
[11:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'll PM it to you
[11:48] <cbx33> thank you highvoltage
[11:48] <cbx33> thank you soo much
[11:54] <cbx33> ping JaneW
[11:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: i will mentor this :) he has clear cut goals and has the resources for local testing for usability, not to mention it is doable on his given timeline
[11:56] <ogra> yep :)
[11:56] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:59] <JaneW> cbx33: pong
[12:01] <cbx33> Hi JaneW got some more information back from BETT
[12:01] <cbx33> got time for a quick chat in pm?
[12:01] <JaneW> cbx33: quick one
[12:04] <cbx33> highvoltage: a straight drop of that didn't work
[12:05] <cbx33> drupal refuses to load.. :(
[12:05] <cbx33> with 2 user warnings
[12:11] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'm pretty good with drupal, what are you trying to do?
[12:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: aha, run /update.php
[12:12] <cbx33> ah ok
[12:12] <cbx33> just a sec
[12:14] <cbx33> w00t
[12:34] <ogra> juliux, !
[12:34] <juliux> ogra, !
[12:35] <ogra> juliux, isnt there a subsection for edubuntu somewhere in the ubuntuusers forum ?
[12:35] <ogra> i have several teachers i met at linuxtag asking me
[12:35] <juliux> ogra, no there isnt a subsection
[12:35] <ogra> but i seem to blind
[12:35] <ogra> ah
[12:36] <juliux> ogra, but we can ask for a subsection
[12:36] <ogra> yeah, that'd be nice
[12:36] <juliux> i will ask them
[12:36] <ogra> since you prominently advertise edubuntu at the frontpage ;)
[12:37] <juliux> ogra, do you know what is with edubuntu.de? there is only a login for confixx
[12:37] <ogra> nope, no idea
[12:38] <ogra> its owned by a guy in bremerhaven
[12:38] <cbx33> maybe he's hoping to bribe us :p
[12:38] <ogra> [Holder] [Zone-C]
[12:38] <ogra> Type:         PERSON
[12:38] <ogra> Name:         Carsten Bachert
[12:38] <ogra> Address:      SYNKOB
[12:38] <ogra> Address:      Am Kamp 13
[12:38] <ogra> Pcode:        27612
[12:38] <ogra> City:         Loxstedt
[12:38] <ogra> Country:      DE
[12:38] <cbx33> ogra: pm?
[12:38] <ogra> Phone:        +4919082974066833
[12:38] <ogra> Fax:          +4919082974062324
[12:39] <ogra> Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:39] <juliux> ogra, hm paste?
[12:39] <ogra> Changed:      2005-09-05T21:01:07+02:00
[12:39] <ogra> juliux, ?
[12:39] <juliux> ogra, uu.de will diskuss the subsection at the end of the month
[12:39] <ogra> ok
[12:40] <juliux> ogra, in the paste i am searching in the whole forum about edubuntu and then i answer
[02:01] <cbx333> ogra: a little help if you could
[02:01] <cbx333> :p
[02:01] <ogra> shoot
[02:01] <cbx333> I'm on my new LTSP server as a client
[02:01] <cbx333> trying to run apt-get update
[02:01] <cbx333> but i get a problem
[02:01] <cbx333> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[02:02] <cbx333> there are 4 more errors like that
[02:02] <ogra> in the chroot ?
[02:02] <ogra> or on the server it self
[02:02] <Yagisan> nice work
[02:02] <cbx333> I'm logged into the LTSP server as a client
[02:02] <cbx333> Yagisan: :D
[02:03] <Yagisan> cbx333: I just updated mine by logging in to the server locally
[02:03] <cbx333> well, theoretically I'm just logged in via ssh
[02:03] <ogra> yes
[02:04] <Yagisan> cbx333: then when that was done, I chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386 and updated that too. Didn't see any errors like yours though.
[02:04] <ogra> is that the system with the broken clock ?
[02:04] <cbx333> hah :p could be
[02:04] <cbx333> lemme check
[02:05] <ogra> use -o Acquire::gpgv::Options::=--ignore-time-conflict in every apt-get command
[02:05] <cbx333> ok
[02:05] <ogra> i.e. apt-get -o Acquire::gpgv::Options::=--ignore-time-conflict update
[02:05] <cbx333> that was the issue
[02:05] <cbx333> is this a bug?
[02:05] <ogra> nope
[02:05] <cbx333> ok
[02:06] <cbx333> np thanks ogra
[02:06] <ogra> you shouldnt use such a broken clock anyway :)
[02:06] <cbx333> and why not
[02:06] <cbx333> :p
[02:06] <ogra>  sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[02:06] <ogra> ;)
[02:06] <cbx333> ogra: I would if the ntp port wasn't blocked
[02:06] <ogra> ususally that should run after ifup
[02:07] <ogra> automatically
[02:07] <ogra> indeed, if you block your port, that cant work ;)
[02:07] <cbx333> I havn't blocked it
[02:07] <Yagisan> cbx333: you have a local ntp server ?
[02:07] <cbx333> the city council has
[02:07] <cbx333> Yagisan: no
[02:08] <cbx333> but someone inside the network has which I may try at a later date :D
[02:08] <cbx333> bbl
[02:08] <cbx333> just going back downstairs :p
[02:09] <ogra> in fact its a security feature that gpg doesnt accept files with timestamps in lying in the future ;)
[02:10] <ogra> you can set it globally in /etc/apt/apt.conf so you dont need to issue it every time
[02:11] <linubuntu> hello guys
[02:12] <ogra> hi
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: it's ok I've set the time now
[02:13] <ogra> fine :)
[02:13] <linubuntu> ogra ? edubuntu member?
[02:14] <ogra> yes
[02:14] <cbx33> hehe
[02:15] <linubuntu> new to ubuntu guys :)
[02:15] <cbx33> excellent
[02:16] <cbx33> linubuntu: where are you based?
[02:16] <Yagisan> hmm
[02:16] <linubuntu> very very good distro :) goodbye for the others :)
[02:16] <cbx33> hehe
[02:16] <linubuntu> indonesia
[02:17] <cbx33> yes i was a fedora user until a few months ago
[02:17] <Yagisan> one of my breezy boxes has stopped booting
[02:17] <cbx33> oh dear
[02:17] <Yagisan> it's hung on hotplug
[02:17] <cbx33> maybe it's jelious of the dapper ones?
[02:17] <ogra> cbx33, for sure :)
[02:17] <Yagisan> cbx33: perhaps. It's only a pentium 2, 233Mhz
[02:17] <Yagisan> 1.6GB hard disk
[02:17] <cbx33> it was working fine?
[02:17] <Yagisan> right until reboot
[02:18] <cbx33> how long has it been running?
[02:18] <ogra> any upgrades that could cause that ? (kernel, udev, hotplug)
[02:18] <cbx33> any new devices pluggedi n?
[02:18] <Yagisan> no upgrades at all. been running about 3 weeks without reboot
[02:19] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:19] <Yagisan> cbx33: nope. no keynoard, no mouse, and no video
[02:19] <cbx33> tried the old alt+sysRq+1?
[02:19] <Yagisan> cbx33: can't. no keyboard
[02:19] <cbx33> oh yeh
[02:19] <linubuntu> ogra:is there any plan to include the latest version of ltsp (0.20) to edubuntu ?
[02:19] <Yagisan> cbx33: it was a little server
[02:19] <cbx33> I'm having like the worst day ever
[02:20] <ogra> linubuntu, 0.20 ?
[02:20] <Yagisan> cbx33: can't be that bad
[02:20] <cbx33> got a splitting headache
[02:20] <ogra> linubuntu, ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache showsrc ltsp|grep Version
[02:20] <ogra> Version: 0.86
[02:20] <cbx33> kids keep shouting out f***ing tw*t in my direction
[02:20] <cbx33> they also keep vandalising the machines
[02:21] <ogra> linubuntu, ltsp is developed *in* edubuntu, we'll always use the latest version ;)
[02:21] <linubuntu> take a look on ltsp.org please
[02:21] <ogra> we dont use ltsp.org at all
[02:21] <cbx33> we're special
[02:21] <ogra> and the ltsp.org version should be at 4.2 currently
[02:21] <Yagisan> linubuntu: we *are* ltsp version 2
[02:22] <Yagisan> linubuntu: this is were all the new ltsp features are tested and proven
[02:22] <ogra> linubuntu, read up about muecow on ltsp.org, thats what we develoip and use in ubuntu/edubuntu
[02:22] <Yagisan> s/were/where
[02:22] <linubuntu> ok guys i understand now
[02:22] <cbx33> :D
[02:22] <ogra> newer debian version use our implementation as well
[02:22] <ogra> *versions
[02:23] <cbx33> cos it's just...better :p
[02:23] <ogra> lets say its different :)
[02:23] <cbx33> my apologies
[02:23] <ogra> ltsp.org ltsp still boots faster due to a way smaller kernel and has local devuice support we dont have yet
[02:24] <cbx33> ltsp was pretty fast today
[02:24] <cbx33> tried out the lab again with YouthLUG
[02:24] <ogra> but its totally lacking our hardware autodetection and requires a *lot* of post install work
[02:24] <cbx33> they loved it
[02:24] <ogra> while ours runs out of the boix on nearly *any* HW
[02:24] <linubuntu> cause i will use edubuntu for my internet caffe it it possible ?
[02:24] <ogra> sure
[02:24] <cbx33> linubuntu: nice
[02:25] <linubuntu> just try stay away from M$ :)
[02:25] <ogra> linubuntu, as i said, we're lacking two things, the fast boot (we boot in ~30 seconds while ltsp.org does it in ~15)
[02:25] <ogra> and the local device support
[02:25] <cbx33> 15 seconds is pretty fast
[02:25] <cbx33> can our kernel get smaller?
[02:26] <Yagisan> pfft. my post takes longer then that
[02:26] <ogra> unbeatable if you do hw detection and X autoconfiguration at bootime
[02:26] <cbx33> right
[02:26] <ogra> our kernel will probably get smaller
[02:26] <cbx33> is local apps planned for edgy?
[02:26] <Yagisan> ogra: we build with -Os yet ?
[02:26] <ogra> simply because they will drop 386 support for the default kernel in the future
[02:26] <cbx33> excellent
[02:26] <ogra> so we'll get our own kernel package at some point
[02:27] <linubuntu> for 20 thin client the best specs of server ?
[02:27] <Yagisan> linubuntu: what apps do you plan to run ?
[02:27] <ogra> linubuntu, 256M for the server and ~120M for each client if you run gnome
[02:27] <cbx33> i had 5 clients running mostly firefox today on a D600 laptop
[02:28] <ogra> that can go down to 64M per client if you run xfce ...
[02:28] <ogra> the clients themselves should at least have ~200MHz and ~64MB
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: what's planned for ltsp for edgy? - localdevice support? local apps?
[02:29] <ogra> localdev support, ltsp manager
[02:29] <Yagisan> dual core on the server won't hurt either if you expect lots of simultaneous use
[02:29] <ogra> all other things are whislist items
[02:29] <linubuntu> any plan to include local media on dapper ?
[02:29] <cbx33> i took another look at ltsp manager today
[02:29] <ogra> simply because we only have 4 months this time
[02:30] <cbx33> yeh
[02:30] <ogra> linubuntu, ltspfs and ltspfsd are packaged, but not integrated in dapper
[02:30] <cbx33> well u know I'm in all the way, anything I can do...why do you think I'm learning python
[02:30] <ogra> you need to use the ltsp.org scripts additionally and set it up manually
[02:31] <ogra> its the number one feature for edgy though
[02:31] <ogra> cbx33, ltsp currently has not much python code
[02:31] <ogra> its nearly all shell
[02:31] <cbx33> the manager does
[02:31] <linubuntu> so it means possible to enable local media on dapper/breezy ?
[02:31] <ogra> yes
[02:31] <ogra> but a good amount of work
[02:32] <cbx33> where abouts is s-c-p now?
[02:32] <linubuntu> thats what my client wants :)
[02:32] <ogra> its in the archive :)
[02:32] <ogra> i never tried it, but there is a deb on ltsp.org supposed to work on ubuntu
[02:33] <Yagisan> I had an administrative solution to that problem. I decreed that there shall be no local media and if you don't like it tough shit. >:)
[02:33] <ogra> dunno if anyone ever tested it with ubuntu ltsp
[02:33] <cbx33> heh
[02:33] <Yagisan> cbx33: I can make the BOFH look like a wuss
[02:34] <cbx33> heheh
[02:34] <linubuntu> can ltsp-utils from ltsp.org can be instaled on ubuntu without any problems ?
[02:35] <cbx33> I'll let Yagisan handle this one :p
[02:35] <Yagisan> linubuntu: no. we call that "break my ubuntu and make the children cry"
[02:36] <linubuntu> woops
[02:36] <cbx33> BMUAMTCC
[02:41] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEgdyLTSPFeatureIdeas
[02:41] <ogra> in case anyone wants to comment or add stuff
[02:50] <lucasvo> how can I make a signature in the wiki?
[02:52] <ogra> lucasvo, that wont work
[02:53] <ogra> (running mythtv client/server through the net
[02:53] <ogra> )
[02:53] <ogra> it will have the same effect as trying to watch a vide on LTSP at the moment ...
[02:53] <ogra> (rather a slideshow than a movie)
[02:54] <lucasvo> :(
[02:54] <lucasvo> well, isn't it supposed to be like this?
[02:54] <lucasvo> maybe make both available
[02:55] <ogra> the one is implementable in 1h, the other will take several weeks and need tweaks to the mythtv package
[02:55] <lucasvo> ok
[02:55] <lucasvo> than for edgy+1
[02:55] <lucasvo> :)
[02:56] <lucasvo> cool would be a bootmanager like grub so one can say which image one wants to load.
[02:56] <lucasvo> for e.g. cluster, mediacenter, edubuntu
[02:56] <ogra> i dont think you'll hava any advantage by running it client/server based
[02:56] <lucasvo> ogra: except that you don't need a tv card in every client you want to use
[02:56] <cbx33> lucasvo: you can do that already
[02:56] <lucasvo> cbx33: cool
[02:56] <cbx33> the booting thing
[02:56] <ogra> but thats the purpose :)
[02:56] <cbx33> hang on
[02:56] <lucasvo> maybe even providing a backup-image
[02:57] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPMultiboot
[02:57] <ogra> and the booting stuff is just a question of tweaking the pxe config
[02:57] <lucasvo> which can make iso's of all the whole disk
[02:57] <ogra> thats nothin we can have in edgy (dont forget we only have 2 months of devel time)
[02:57] <lucasvo> ogra: of course
[02:58] <lucasvo> I mean in general
[02:58] <ogra> i need to pick the most important pieces from that list
[02:58] <lucasvo> for edgy(+1/2)
[02:58] <cbx33> ogra: i may start work on a pxelinux config utility
[02:58] <lucasvo> ogra: what do you think about bug #34118?
[02:58] <ogra> and the low hanging fruits, like the kisok thing or mythtv stuff
[02:58] <lucasvo> kiosk? for internet cafe?
[02:59] <ogra> lucasvo, yes, thats fine to fix in edgy... its a bug, i'd fix it anyway
[02:59] <ogra> see the list
[02:59] <lucasvo> which list?
[02:59] <ogra> point 4 there
[02:59] <cbx33> ogra: do you think a pxelinux config utility would be helpful?
[03:00] <ogra> cbx33, a gui frontend for ltsp-update-kernels that we can easily integrate into LTSPManager would be cool :)
[03:00] <cbx33> hmmm.
[03:00] <cbx33> I'll see what I can do
[03:00] <ogra> i.e. something that lets you select if you want to use etherboot or pxe ... and probably also generates a rom-o-matic image for you with working default settings
[03:01] <cbx33> I'll probably work on a pxelinux config util as my first step
[03:01] <ogra> lucasvo, the feature list we're discussing since 10 min here
[03:12] <Yagisan> um. we can build etherboot images from rom-o-matic that do the full pxe stuff
[03:13] <ogra> yep
[03:13] <ogra> but we cant do it on a single mouseclick from a desktop gui yet ;)
[03:13] <ogra> would be cool to just have a list of nics you select from, click generate and the iso appears on your desktop
[03:14] <enyc> Meep! ?anybody know how to make XTERM keep window-title and not have it changed by login script etc. ? ;-)
[03:14] <cbx33> ogra: that would be cool
[03:15] <Yagisan> ogra: so, we are bookmarking the rom-o-matic homepage then ?
[03:16] <ogra> why ?
[03:16] <ogra> i'd just generate the right query to download the iso ;)
[03:16] <cbx33> indeed
[03:16] <ogra> you wont have to bother with rom-o-matic or a browser at all :)
[03:17] <cbx33> yes
[03:17] <ogra> just select your NIc, probably have a checkbox to select between floppy and CD image and a generate button ... do the rest by magic :)
[03:18] <ogra> cbx33, but beware, urllib2 programming is a rather advanced task ;)
[03:18] <ogra> (you'll need that for web stuff)
[03:18] <ogra> hey ryan_rousseau
[03:19] <cbx33> :p
[03:19] <ryan_rousseau> hello ;)
[03:19] <cbx33> i hope
[03:24] <ogra> JaneW, i think you can assign the quizzling SoC to jsgotangco, he clearly expressed he'd take it
[03:25] <JaneW> quizzling?
[03:25] <ogra> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=ryan.rousseau@gmail.com:100a7238:19b589e0
[03:25] <JaneW> ah yes, ok, I'll assign
[03:25] <ogra> :)
[03:25] <JaneW> BUT there are still MANY unevaluted applications
[03:26] <ogra> welcome abouard ryan_rousseau then :)
[03:26] <JaneW> I am wading through them atm
[03:26] <ogra> err aboard
[03:26] <JaneW> ogra: well not yet!
[03:26] <ogra> assigned doesnt mean approved ?
[03:26] <JaneW> it's not over till Google bleats
[03:26] <JaneW> on 23 May
[03:26] <ogra> *sigh* all those buerocratic crap
[03:26] <ryan_rousseau> =) wow, much appreciated in any case
[03:27] <JaneW> ryan_rousseau: GL
[03:27] <ryan_rousseau> JaneW: thanks very much
[03:27] <JaneW> guys we are sorting our top 40 out of 250 atm
[03:27] <JaneW> and google will select n of those in a top down approach
[03:28] <ogra> well, i think they wont refuse if there are mentors assigned already and the voting isnt too bad
[03:29] <cbx33> spacey: ooooh for what
[03:29] <spacey> yesterday i was interviewed
[03:29] <spacey> its crap ^_^
[03:30] <JaneW> spacey: I got interviewed last year of SFD it sucked
[03:30] <JaneW> I am not good at it
[03:31] <JaneW> spacey: I am sure you did better! :
[03:31] <spacey> at least i wouldn't buy my own producted based on the interview :P
[03:31] <spacey> s/producted/product
[03:31] <spacey> :P
[03:31] <spacey> but ofcourse our product rocks :P t komt alleen niet uit de verf in het interview :P
[03:41] <JaneW> could we ship a java applet?
[03:41] <JaneW> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=9md18@qlink.queensu.ca:16f940a5:055b775a
[03:43] <ogra> JaneW, ITHM a panel applet
[03:43] <ogra> oh, no, you are right
[03:43] <ogra> heh
[03:44] <JaneW> dang
[03:44] <ogra> JaneW, looks like he doesnt want to ship it, but to have it included on www.ubuntu.com
[03:45] <ogra> (we'll do neither btw)
[03:58] <cbx33> ogra: is there a way i can send a message to all my LTSP clients
[03:58] <ogra> nope
[03:58] <ogra> thats a proposed s-c-p feature
[03:58] <cbx33> ok cool
[03:58] <cbx33> a chat function?
[03:58] <ogra> nah
[03:59] <ogra> you have gaim, set up a jabber server on the server if you need that
[03:59] <ogra> just popping a message in the face of the user
[03:59] <cbx33> ahhhh
[03:59] <cbx33> jabber good idea
[04:10] <cbx33> ogra: maybe I won't see you at that conference
[04:10] <cbx33> didn't realise it was so damn expensive
[04:11] <ogra> oh ?
[04:12] <cbx33> just take a look at the booking form
[04:12] <cbx33> :p
[04:14] <cbx33> that's pricey
[04:14] <ogra> i wont have to pay as a speaker
[04:14] <cbx33> no but i would
[04:15] <cbx33> as much as I want to see how handsome you relaly are ogra :p
[04:16] <Yagisan> I've seen him. he's the guy outside with the ciggies :-P
[04:16] <ogra> hehe
[04:16] <ogra> yes, just follow the smoke
[04:19] <Yagisan> highvoltage: hey, where's my ops too :-P
[04:19] <cbx33> highvoltage: hi, that databse was cool
[04:19] <highvoltage> :)
[04:19] <cbx33> but i think there must have been stuff missing
[04:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: great
[04:19] <cbx33> from my install or plugins or something
[04:20] <Yagisan> highvoltage: wow. I didn't expect that
[04:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: i saw your message just before i went, did you get it sorted out?
[04:20] <cbx33> i couldn't even log in
[04:20] <cbx33> no
[04:20] <cbx33> I've been using drupal for the schools site though
[04:20] <cbx33> it's a fine package
[04:20] <highvoltage> drpal is nice
[04:20] <cbx33> yeh
[04:21] <highvoltage> Yagisan: it will probably go away if you log off and on again :p
[04:21] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I wish I could take it to other channels with me
[04:22] <highvoltage> yah
[04:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: waiting many weeks for freenode to process a request of mine to re-assign channel control
[04:23] <cbx33> heheh
[04:23] <highvoltage> good things come to those who wait :p
[04:24] <cbx33> indeed
[04:24] <Yagisan> cbx33: yeah, but I've good to kick the warez junkies from the channel. Our op disappeared from the face of the earth
[04:24] <cbx33> ah isee
[04:26] <Yagisan> cbx33: yep. MIA for 1 year 37 weeks 4 days
[04:27] <cbx33> hehe
[04:30] <Yagisan> brb - time to put Kate to bed
[04:39] <Yagisan> re
[04:49] <cbx33> !seen bluekuja
[04:49] <ubotu> bluekuja <n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 16h 59m 9s ago, saying: 'cya highvoltage'.
[05:07] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage
[05:08] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan
[05:08] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[05:09] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: just working on my ads/www site, and waiting for your call ;)
[05:09] <HedgeMage> call?  oh, a GCF?
[05:09] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: that squeaky wheel list, needs some oil
[05:09] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yep :)
[05:09] <HedgeMage> hehe yep
[05:09] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: Should I call you ?
[05:10] <HedgeMage> nah, that's not the problem... anyway we do the calling to verify the # and such
[05:10] <HedgeMage> it's just the backlog viciously attacking us :(
[05:11] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: otherwise things are ok. I'm sure my request is probably a bit different to the usual.
[05:15] <jsgotangco> lol what is there for me to comment on SoC a lot of them have -2 already
[05:16] <HedgeMage> yeah, we're trying to find a more efficient way of doing them
[05:16] <HedgeMage> the curren method has too much manual stuff and it gets slow
[05:17] <Yagisan> I'd apply for SoC, but I don't think google would consider my business a suitable educational facility, nor myself as a student
[05:18] <Yagisan> at least I'm in the right age group though
[05:21] <HedgeMage> lol :)
[05:27] <jsgotangco> its fun looking at the proposals though
[05:27] <jsgotangco> everyone has a great idea flowing in
[05:29] <ogra> well
[05:29] <ogra> i wouldnt say everyone :)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> im just being optimistic
[05:30] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:32] <HedgeMage> hehe
[05:34] <ogra> i posted my todo list proposal some hours ago
[05:34] <Yagisan> ogra: that's what I'm reading
[05:34] <ogra> oh, i thought you meant SoC :)
[05:34] <Yagisan> ogra: I like the swap server
[05:34] <ogra> the top 4 should get in anyway
[05:34] <ogra> the rest is nice to have stuff
[05:35] <ogra> i.e. the kiosk mode is written in an afternoon (low hanging fruit)
[05:35] <Yagisan> ogra: swap, ldm, thick client would be my top 3 want to have
[05:35] <Yagisan> ogra: media could be extended for me though
[05:35] <ogra> thick client is a bit more tricky
[05:36] <ogra> you'll need to determine which directorys you need writable, set that up etc ...
[05:36] <Yagisan> ogra: I know, but imagine using all those node for transcode & dvdrip ;)
[05:36] <jsgotangco> ogra: its sad though, i'm sure people who receive -1 and -2 are probably upset already
[05:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, Yagisan talks about https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEgdyLTSPFeatureIdeas
[05:37] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:37] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: looking at what I get to use (hopefully soon)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> mythtv???
[05:38] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I belive that is playback only
[05:39] <Yagisan> but purely because I like to play doom
[05:39] <Yagisan> with models, and high-res textures, and shiny particle effects etc
[05:40] <Yagisan> not in a pixelated 320x240 box, like some other versions
[05:41] <Yagisan> actually. It would be nice if someone could revive http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[05:41] <Yagisan> :)
[05:41] <ogra> mythtv isnt playback only
[05:42] <ogra> you can use it as a recorder as well
[05:42] <jsgotangco> yes but won't something like vlc more lightweight?
[05:42] <Yagisan> ogra: I think the client was playback only
[05:43] <ogra> why ?
[05:43] <ogra> if i use it as a TV replacement, i want to be able to record as well
[05:43] <ogra> so nfs mounting a directory from the server and recoding to that should be doable
[05:43] <Yagisan> mythtv should be recording on the server
[05:44] <Yagisan> argh - my bandwidth
[05:44] <Yagisan> ogra: you'll get frame drops
[05:44] <Yagisan> you'd need a beefy thin client to compress well on the fly
[05:45] <HedgeMage> brb
[05:45] <ogra> what for ?
[05:45] <ogra> once the app is running, its all in memory, the bandwith should be free
[05:46] <Yagisan> ogra: dumping what you record to the nfs folder you are writing to
[05:46] <ogra> yes
[05:46] <ogra> but there is nothing else using the bandwith
[05:46] <jsgotangco> i find this strangely appealing though
[05:46] <HedgeMage> back :)
[05:46] <Yagisan> ogra: 720*576x24 @ 25fps is a fair amount of data
[05:46] <ogra> neither would i suspect to run 50 mythtv clients to watch TV
[05:47] <ogra> anyway, that will need tests etc first
[05:47] <Yagisan> ogra: thats about 4GB/hr with mjpeg and adpcm
[05:48] <ogra> but i'm not fond of running an additional server part, i'd rather drop/postpone it then if it produces too much work
[05:48] <ogra> i.e. switching to a tvtime implementation without recording for the beginning
[05:49] <Yagisan> yep. actually, running mencoder locally lets you record
[05:49] <Yagisan> thats' what I use
[05:49] <ogra> its just to show the advantage of a diskless client as media center
[05:50] <ogra> if people like it, we can extend it ...
[05:50] <jsgotangco> bling feater?
[05:50] <jsgotangco> feature
[05:50] <Yagisan> ogra: we like it.
[05:51] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I call it "productivity enhancement"
[05:51] <ogra> yeah, bling feature
[05:52] <ogra> but even for schools an intresting feature i think :)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: i might not make it to 20:00 that's 4am on my side its almost midnight here already :)
[05:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, fine, dont worry
[05:52] <jsgotangco> i'll catch up the next 20UTC meeting though and sleep early
[05:52] <ogra> its not an EC meeting
[05:52] <jsgotangco> did you upload the doc and ff page already?
[05:53] <ogra> and even if it were, we'd have enough EC members to process new memberships
[05:53] <ogra> nope
[05:53] <ogra> its in the artwork package, i'm waiting for a go from silbs to include the new wallpaper
[05:53] <Yagisan> night all
[05:54] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:56] <jsgotangco> who is Mario Danic?
[05:56] <jsgotangco> pygi?
[05:57] <ogra> yep
[05:57] <jsgotangco> im not so happy with his comments on SoC
[05:57] <jsgotangco> :/
[05:58] <ogra> yep
[05:58] <ogra> but he puts a lot of time into it ...
[05:59] <jsgotangco> yes but the applicant himself made an effort to write an essay and answer the questionnaire
[06:00] <ogra> which SoC are you referring to ?
[06:01] <alexandros_se> Hello highvoltage
[06:03] <mhz> hi all
[06:03] <mitsuhiko> mhz: pingeling :)
[06:03] <mhz> After, still trying Dapper though, finally having machines to test Dapper, I have few questions
[06:04] <mitsuhiko> moin btw :)
[06:04] <mitsuhiko> mhz: xorAxAx is asking me if i know why you don't response to his mails :)
[06:04] <alexandros_se> highvoltage, have you seen HLK online...? :)
[06:04] <mitsuhiko> *repond
[06:04] <mhz> a) Is it possible xchat defaults  includes #edubuntu instead of #ubuntu ?
[06:04] <mhz> mitsuhiko, moin
[06:04] <mitsuhiko> :)
[06:05] <mhz> mitsuhiko, Alexander sent me emails?
[06:05] <mhz> had no idea
[06:05] <mhz> eeekkk, he must be thinking I dont love him enough
[06:05] <mhz> :D
[06:05] <mitsuhiko> hehe :)
[06:05] <ogra> mhz, not sure if its worth the effort, since we dont ship any chat proggy apart from gaim anymore
[06:05] <mitsuhiko> yeah. he sent you some in the last two weeks :)
[06:05] <mhz> ogra, ohhhh
[06:06] <mhz> b) OpenOffice gets the 3 machines VERY slow after 5 minutes using it
[06:06] <ogra> see all these irc support discussions on ubuntu-devel and -users from one or two weeks ago
[06:06] <mitsuhiko> mhz: he is online currently, maybe you can resolve the situation :)
[06:07] <mhz> why would that be? (2 workstations: 256 MB and 128 MB each, 500 MHz and 1 GHz)
[06:07] <mhz> mitsuhiko, yeah... /me connecting to #moin
[06:07] <mhz> mitsuhiko, thx!
[06:08] <jsgotangco> ogra: sure we do, we have irssi xD
[06:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:08] <mitsuhiko> np :)
[06:08] <mhz> jsgotangco, lol... nice to read you again
[06:08] <ogra> mhz, you expect ooo to run in 128MB
[06:08] <ogra> its intresting that it even starts :)
[06:08] <mhz> ogra, hehehe, yeah, but hence I tried in 256 MB
[06:08] <mhz> .)
[06:08] <mitsuhiko> hehe
[06:09] <ogra> thats still very low if you run a desktop alongside
[06:09] <jsgotangco> mhz: hey dude
[06:09] <mitsuhiko> someone suggested "ubuntu honestly" for soc. if it would be implemented starting ooo on a machine with 64mb ram would result in "honestly, do you really want to start ooo?"
[06:10] <ogra> hehe
[06:10] <ogra> you wouldnt be able to install at all on 64M
[06:10] <ogra> at least not out of the box
[06:10] <lucasvo> how can I make a link to EdubuntuDocumentation/Blah
[06:10] <lucasvo> ?
[06:10] <lucasvo> It only links to EdubuntuDocumentation
[06:10] <lucasvo> (in the wiki)
[06:11] <mitsuhiko> lucasvo: ["/Blah"] ?
[06:11] <mitsuhiko> or as absolute link: ["EdubuntuDocumentation/Blah"]
[06:12] <lucasvo> mitsuhiko: thanks
[06:14] <lucasvo> ouh, the meeting is in 2h, that's crap, I don't have time today.
[06:15] <lucasvo> ogra: is there an agenda?
[06:15] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[06:15] <ogra> its in 4h
[06:16] <lucasvo>     * Agenda: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[06:16] <lucasvo> that's wrong
[06:16] <lucasvo> (from fridge)
[06:16] <mhz> ogra, anyways, besides the OOO incident (at workstations, at least) and the IRC thing, so far edubuntu is kicking asses here
[06:16] <mhz> so far, 4 teachers have seen it and they have loved it
[06:16] <lucasvo> mhz: you are at a show?
[06:16] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:16] <mhz> tonight, my daughter (almost 5 years old now) will try Gcompris and GNOME (she used to use Wmaker)
[06:16] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:17] <mhz> lucasvo, not yet, but I'll be in one, the 1st and 2nd of June
[06:17] <ogra> lucasvo, fixed
[06:18] <lucasvo> good
[06:18] <lucasvo> and btw, how is one supposed to login in the wiki?
[06:18] <mhz> And, I installed dapper in a nice server with 6 clients (mini lab I can use 3 days a week to give Edubuntu a try and show off)
[06:18] <lucasvo> I can't find any url
[06:18] <ogra> LP
[06:18] <lucasvo> ogra: but is there a link on every page to UserPreferences?
[06:18] <mhz> lucasvo, you gotta use your LP email and password
[06:18] <lucasvo> of course
[06:19] <lucasvo> but I'd prefer not having to manually type in the address https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UserPreferences
[06:19] <lucasvo> isn't there a link on the wiki homepage
[06:19] <ogra> i dont understand what you mena
[06:19] <ogra> *mean
[06:20] <ogra> in the user preferences page you set your wiki oreferences
[06:20] <ogra> *preferences
[06:20] <lucasvo> ogra: but you need to login on that page as well
[06:20] <lucasvo> or is there another place?
[06:20] <ogra> you dont need to log in there
[06:20] <ogra> at least i dont
[06:20] <lucasvo> yeah, well I do
[06:20] <lucasvo> because I rarely edit in the wiki
[06:21] <ogra> if i logged in the first time, LP set a cookie
[06:21] <lucasvo> hm
[06:21] <highvoltage> hi alexandros_se. i saw her online briefly on jabber yesterday.
[06:21] <ogra> so i never ever logged in again after my first time
[06:21] <highvoltage> hey mhz! any news?
[06:21] <mhz> lucasvo, ahhh, the Login is at wiki.edubuntu.org, iirc
[06:22] <mhz> highvoltage, hey mon!
[06:22] <mhz> yeah!
[06:22] <highvoltage> ya mon!
[06:22] <highvoltage> from jamaica town we are!
[06:22] <mhz> I am sending an email to you all (international) about it
[06:22] <highvoltage> excellent
[06:22] <mhz> ya, we're jummin'
[06:23] <highvoltage> jummin' til the mornin' light
[06:23] <mhz> lol
[06:23] <mhz> indeed
[06:23] <mhz> all geeks do
[06:24] <lucasvo> ups
[06:24] <mhz> highvoltage, of course, once you are here... you gotta be "undercover" so you won't make all girls fall for you
[06:24] <highvoltage> heh :)
[06:24] <highvoltage> girls don't like me anyway
[06:24] <mhz> they do... at least the one in primary school :D
[06:24] <ogra> highvoltage, thats just because you dont hold talks
[06:25] <ogra> else they'd hunt you down for autographs :)
[06:25] <highvoltage> ogra: i've held talks before :)
[06:25] <mhz> indeed
[06:25] <mhz> lol!!!
[06:25] <highvoltage> i've been hunted down by a group of radio amatuers once after giving a talk about linux there. that was the quickest fans i ever got
[06:25] <ogra> highvoltage, but not like sabdfl whi stripped on stage at the linuxtag ;)
[06:25] <mhz> highvoltage, you got support now?
[06:26] <highvoltage> but i'm not a geek because i don't do dungeons and dragons, and i don't play rpg games.
[06:26] <ogra> s/whi/who/
[06:26] <highvoltage> ogra: that would indeed make me very unpopular :)
[06:26] <highvoltage> mhz: support?
[06:26] <highvoltage> mhz: in what context?
[06:26] <ogra> he gained a lot of laughs :)
[06:26] <highvoltage> shame man.
[06:27] <mhz> highvoltage, edubuntu girl showed up just right after you said "they dont like me"
[06:27] <highvoltage> it's terrible when you take your clothes off and people laugh at you. did they point too?
[06:27] <highvoltage> i'm sure she likes me
[06:27] <mhz> lol
[06:27] <highvoltage> hrm
[06:27] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, at the KDE t-shirt he wore below :)
[06:27] <mhz> ogra, BTW....
[06:28] <mhz> remember NOKIA thing?
[06:28] <highvoltage> ogra: lol!
[06:28] <highvoltage> NOKIA thing?
[06:28] <ogra> mhz, yup
[06:29] <mhz> ogra, re dapper..  at booting from CD time, F5 provides an a11y menu... Is that supposed to work really? or not yet?
[06:29] <ogra> no idea, i never tried it :)
[06:30] <ogra> but you could ask on the a11y ML :)
[06:30] <mhz> ogra, nokia/ we have been asked to write down a 2 pages letter specifying what applications we'll be making work on mobile devices.. Could ya give us a hand?
[06:31] <ogra> mhz, bad time currently, i'm pretty swamped in prerelease work
[06:31] <ogra> but sure i can answer questions
[06:31] <mhz> ogra, okis, I'll send some tomorrow
[06:31] <mhz> thx
[06:32] <mhz> highvoltage, yeah, NOKIA rep. was here 2 weeks ago and we asked them to provide funding for FET 2006
[06:32] <mhz> highvoltage, they were not very convinced when we had to explain what "free technology" meant
[06:33] <mhz> highvoltage, so, we told them we would to love to use mobile devices for edu-apps and environements
[06:33] <mhz> highvoltage, that means... "ok, send us a document and we may consider it"
[06:34] <mhz> highvoltage, clear enough? :D
[06:37] <highvoltage> mhz: funny that you should explain the them what it means, since Nokia has an OSI approved license :)
[06:37] <mhz> ohhh, BTW, any good KISS app. for sending/receiving faxes?
[06:37] <lucasvo> learning vocab on your cell phone?
[06:37] <mitsuhiko> mhz: minicom? ^^
[06:38] <mhz> highvoltage, yeah, Representatives not necessarily know about OSI stuff, I guess
[06:38] <mhz> mitsuhiko, hehehe
[06:38] <mhz> yeah, very KISS ,)
[06:38] <mitsuhiko> it's very basic (simple) and stupid to use
[06:39] <mitsuhiko> KISS compilant :)
[06:39] <lucasvo> I would ask a thin client producer for sponsorship
[06:39] <mhz> lucasvo, yeah... in Chile?
[06:39] <mhz> none
[06:39] <lucasvo> mhz: well, there are a lot of internationl companies
[06:39] <mhz> HP has not even answered our emails
[06:39] <lucasvo> http://www.rangee.com/en/index.php
[06:39] <lucasvo> they have ad's in german linuxmagazin
[06:39] <lucasvo> :)_
[06:40] <ogra> but really sloooow hardware
[06:40] <mhz> the thing is that in Chile, we have more "representatives" instead of "offices"
[06:40] <mhz> lucasvo, for exapmle... SuSe Chile is just 2 or 3 guys
[06:40] <mhz> same guys who represent Oracle
[06:41] <mhz> Microsoft has a real office here and has just offered about 6.7 millions to support ICT development here in Chile
[06:41] <mhz> :D
[06:42] <mhz> of course, we are not asking them for funds for this FET 2006
[06:42] <mhz> and not for any FET
[06:42] <juliux> ogra, not all thinclients from rangee are slow
[06:42] <juliux> ogra, only the thinclient who has the cytrix grafikchip
[06:42] <ogra> no, only the ones *i* own indeed :)
[06:43] <juliux> hehe
[06:46] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't know exactly how to say this...
[06:47] <highvoltage> ogra: but i think the edubuntu world is really, really lucky to have you where you are.
[06:47] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't think we could have asked for someone more rational, logical, and dedicated :)
[06:48] <mhz> hehe, indeed!
[06:48] <mhz> +1
[06:49] <ogra> highvoltage, oh, wow, thanks a lot for such a praise
[06:49] <highvoltage> sorry :)
[06:49] <highvoltage> but i mean it.
[06:49] <juliux> ogra is like "papa schlumpf"
[06:49] <highvoltage> papa schlumpf?
[06:49] <highvoltage> what is that?
[06:50] <highvoltage> like papa smurf?
[06:50] <juliux> moment i am searching for a picture
[06:50] <ogra> literally: daddy smurf
[06:50] <highvoltage> ah :)
[06:50] <ogra> i'm not that beardy :)
[06:50] <juliux> http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.serienoldies.de/images/schluempfe-papa1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.serienoldies.de/main/serie_detail.php%3Fid%3D212&h=467&w=581&sz=26&tbnid=uo3R-83Ah50iKM:&tbnh=106&tbnw=132&hl=de&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpapa%2Bschlumpf%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
[06:50] <highvoltage> so then the fight is between JaneW, HedgeMage and edubuntugirl for the girl smurf?
[06:50] <juliux> oh bad url
[06:51] <JaneW> smurf?
[06:51] <highvoltage> JaneW: you know, little blue people that live in mushrooms
[06:51] <JaneW> of course
[06:51] <JaneW> I loved them
[06:51] <juliux> JaneW, and ogra is daddy smurf
[06:51] <JaneW> had several figurines
[06:52] <JaneW> heh
[06:52] <JaneW> my girl one was boring, she didn't have accessories
[06:52] <JaneW> I liked the ones with extra bits
[06:52] <JaneW> and no I don;t mean THAT!
[06:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: hehe, that sounds weird :)
[06:52] <ogra> haha
[06:53] <highvoltage> what kind of accessories would you want for her? leather straps? whips?
[06:53] <ogra> JaneW, bah, we'll get the most boring splashscreen from the set
[06:53] <highvoltage> ouch. didn't see that coming
[06:53] <ogra> i just got the final artwork mailed
[06:53] <JaneW> ogra: yeah I seem to have it too... looking
[06:54] <highvoltage> ogra: is that the berlin wall wallpaper?
[06:54] <ogra> a cold blueish grey splash on a dark green chalkboard
[06:54] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, the one i used in my talk
[06:54] <mhz> lol... daddy smurf!
[06:54] <lucasvo> ogra: let's shut the edubuntu.org site down as a protest ;-)
[06:55] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: LOL when I was a little kid and wandering by my dad's pool table, he'd put the blue chalk on my nose and call me a smurf :P
[06:55] <lucasvo> like kubuntu :)
[06:55] <HedgeMage> no idea why I remember that.
[06:55] <highvoltage> eeesh, i forgot to download that at work. i have a link in my ff toolbox, too big to download at home atm :/
[06:55] <ogra> i guess we'll keep the red and orange in the gtk theme, to have at least *one* warm area
[06:55] <mhz> highvoltage, and... hmmm, smurf girl? jane?
[06:55] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: :)
[06:55] <mhz> I recall having a conversation with one friend of mine about how come Smurfs were so many and just 1 girl!
[06:56] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am more likie piepie langkous (are you old enough to remeber that?)
[06:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: apparently not
[06:56] <mhz> highvoltage, oh, nice style for Drupal!
[06:56] <JaneW> likie=like
[06:56] <HedgeMage> mhz: it isn't "Smurf Girl" it's "smurfette" :P
[06:56] <JaneW> HedgeMage: that's it!
[06:56] <highvoltage> mhz: purely by accident. our actual theme isn't compatible with drupal 4.7
[06:56] <ogra> hah
[06:56] <mhz> oh, I used to wathc them in Spanish so... for us, it was Pitufina
[06:57] <highvoltage> mhz: ironically, we've only had good feedback with the very basic theme
[06:57] <JaneW> ok I am going
[06:57] <JaneW> meeting at 20:00 UTC
[06:57] <JaneW> bye
[06:57] <ogra> yep
[06:57] <mhz> highvoltage, hehehe, so typical...  I need to run mysql 4.1, but synaptic will only install 5. I attempted to get it from the universe, but the install script failed
[07:31] <secondhand_budda> hi
[07:32] <secondhand_budda> :)
[07:32] <ogra> mysql 5 doesnt work for you ?
[07:32] <ogra> note that 4.1 will likely die soon
[07:33] <secondhand_budda> no. I have a few apps that use componets for 4 and have not been updated to 5 yet. will have to rewrite big portions of the apps to make it work that way
[07:35] <ogra> since mysql isnt really edubuntu specific, i'd like to point you to a guy called infinity in #ubuntu-devel, he might be able to help you (he's our no.1 mysql maintainer)
[07:35] <secondhand_budda> thanks ogra
[07:35] <secondhand_budda> have fun ...
[07:35] <ogra> :)
[07:36] <HedgeMage> Good job ogra :)
[07:36] <ogra> if you have more edubuntu specific questions, dont haslle to ask :)
[07:36] <ogra> *hassle
[07:36] <HedgeMage> ogra: ummm... mind if I ask if you're a native english speaker (or perhaps that was britspeak?)
[07:36] <ogra> HedgeMage, i'm german :)
[07:37] <HedgeMage> (In american English, "don't hassle to ask" means "don't ask, you'll be bothering me")
[07:37] <ogra> oh
[07:37] <ogra> i meant the opposite indeed
[07:38] <ogra> i was a bit distracted because someone just sent me that shocking pic: http://www.rjek.com/hasselhoffian-recursion.gif
[07:38] <HedgeMage> I know you did
[07:38] <HedgeMage> I just didn't know if you knew that wording might be easily misinterpreted
[07:38] <ogra> dont !
[07:38] <HedgeMage> ugh
[07:39] <ogra> you'll go blind, for sure
[07:39] <HedgeMage> I wish I hadn't
[08:23] <aleweb> bsera  tutti
[08:56] <cbx33> evenin all
[08:58] <cbx33> hi LaserJock , Bluekuja, highvoltage , ogra
[08:59] <Bluekuja> oi pete
[09:00] <cbx33> hey Bluekuja
[09:01] <Bluekuja> :)
[09:01] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[09:03] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[09:13] <Amaranth> pygi: ping?
[09:13] <pygi> Amaranth, why are you playing ping pong? :)
[09:13] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:16] <highvoltage> Amaranth: wanna play too?
[09:16] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[09:16] <cbx33> ping pygi
[09:17] <pygi> pong cbx33
[09:17] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[09:17] <pygi> JaneW: ping?
[09:18] <pygi> cbx33, how may I help you? :P
[09:18] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ping
[09:18] <LaserJock> pong #edubuntu
[09:18] <edubuntugirl> ping is pong
[09:18] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[09:18] <cbx33> just joining the fin pygi
[09:19] <cbx33> fin=fun
[09:19] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:19] <cbx33> that is a serious one :p
[09:20] <LaserJock> how are we supposed to know if it is serious or not?
[09:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, :p - when i send a message saying this is _serious_
[09:21] <pygi> yeayeayea
[09:21] <pygi> :P
[09:21] <cbx33> hehe
[09:21] <cbx33> pygi, did the python look ok
[09:21] <cbx33> ogra, pm
[09:21] <pygi> havent looked really :(
[09:22] <cbx33> s'ok
[09:22] <cbx33> i know it works
[09:22] <cbx33> just looking for some comments on my style
[09:22] <pygi> :P
[09:22] <pygi> will comment someday :(
[09:22] <pygi> sorry :(
[09:22] <cbx33> pygi, it's ok, really
[09:23] <elliot_> Is there anyone in here who can help me with an imac netboot question
[09:25] <ogra> elliot_, like that ? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[09:31] <highvoltage> hedgemage should learn to run irssi under screen :)
[09:31] <cbx33> hehe
[09:32] <cbx33> or just recover the nick
[09:35] <LaserJock> highvoltage: oh yeah!
[09:35] <cbx33> LaserJock, ok, so where do we go next on the ESA
[09:35] <cbx33> sorry I've fallen behind had a really really bad day today
[09:35] <highvoltage> :)
[09:35] <Bluekuja> guys i have the italian meeting
[09:36] <Bluekuja> ill come later to the meeting
[09:36] <Bluekuja> 5-10 min i think
[09:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, polish it up, send an email to ubuntu-doc, wait for screenshots and maybe start working on pdfs
[09:36] <juliux> ng
[09:36] <cbx33> LaserJock, np
[09:36] <Amaranth> meeting?
[09:36] <cbx33> in 25 mins Amaranth
[09:36] <Amaranth> ok
[09:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: Corey said he was going to work on it a bit this weekend
[09:36] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:37] <cbx33> on the svn versoin i hope?
[09:37] <Burgwork> cbx33, yes,the svn version
[09:37] <LaserJock> but I told him to keep me informed of what he's doing since I'm getting patches from you, etc.
[09:37] <cbx33> ok good good
[09:37] <cbx33> Burgwork, anything yo uthink in particualr needs work Burgwork
[09:37] <Burgwork> cbx33, I haven't had really good look
[09:37] <cbx33> ok np
[09:38] <Burgwork> mostly I think the wording needs to be tightened up
[09:38] <Burgwork> make it more punchy, as it is a makreting doc
[09:38] <LaserJock> so as long as we are all working on the svn version and cbx33 sends patche promptly :-) then it should be all good
[09:38] <cbx33> heheh
[09:38] <highvoltage> Burgwork: hi corey :)
[09:39] <cbx33> when i get svn commit it'll be cool
[09:39] <Burgwork> salut highvoltage
[09:40] <highvoltage> salut!
[09:40] <ogra> Burgwork, here for the meeting ?
[09:40] <Burgwork> ogra, meeting?
[09:40] <cbx33> 20:00
[09:40] <ogra> edubuntu meeting
[09:40] <Burgwork> ah, sure
[09:40] <cbx33> 20 mins
[09:40] <Burgwork> working, so in and out
[09:40] <elliot_> ogra, thanks for the link.  It looks promising, but I guess I should preface this that I have "newer" imacs (indigo vintage) booting, but startx fails.  Everything I've found says I need the XF86config.indigo file, but I can't find that.  Is that included in the standalone?
[09:40] <ogra> the first one for all you americans :)
[09:41] <Burgwork> ogra, I am a Canadian...
[09:41] <ogra> Burgwork, thats a part of the american continent, no ?
[09:41] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe, don't start a flame ware ;-)
[09:41] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:41] <cbx33> :p
[09:42] <ogra> elliot_, ubuntu ltsp uses the autodetection we also use on the live CD
[09:42] <ogra> so if a ubuntu/edubuntu liveCD works, you can be sure ltsp will as well
[09:42] <ogra> Burgwork, you know its the point of view ...
[09:43] <ogra> from our small continent yours looks just to big :)
[09:44] <elliot_> ogra, thanks, I'll try the link and get back to you if it doesn't fix the issue.
[09:44] <Burgwork> ogra, in common language, an American is a citizen of the USA
[09:44] <Burgwork> it is not a title applied to Canadians or Mexicans
[09:44] <ogra> hmm, what is a european then ?
[09:45] <LaserJock> those other people across the ocean ;-)
[09:45] <ogra> hehe
[09:48] <highvoltage> is this edubuntu meetin on fridge? i can't see it there
[09:48] <cbx33> it should be, there was discussion about it
[09:48] <ogra> highvoltage, must be, my local evo calendar is updated from the fridge and shows it
[09:49] <ogra> even with the right time
[09:49] <highvoltage> ah, i see it, i looked at the wrong date. d'oh!
[09:49] <ogra> :)
[09:49] <ogra> the blue day is the current one ;)
[09:49] <cbx33> cheeky
[09:50] <highvoltage> seriously, i looked at everything except the blue day. weird. :)
[09:54] <Burgwork> meeting in here or -meeting?
[09:54] <cbx33> -meeting
[09:55] <Petaris> ogra: You about?
[09:55] <Petaris> I'm still needing to do the ltsp-update-sshkeys alot
[09:55] <cbx33> Petaris, when you change ip?
[09:56] <Petaris> sometimes multiple times before a logon can procede
[09:56] <Petaris> cbx33: No, the server ip stays the same, its static
[09:58] <Petaris> is there some sort of trust betwwn the client IPs and the server?
[09:58] <highvoltage> getting kind of cold in my room...
[09:58] <Petaris> the clients are dhcp
[09:58] <ogra> Petaris, you are the only person reporting that
[09:59] <Petaris> highvoltage: Just buy a p4 3.6  :)
[09:59] <ogra> Petaris, and sorry, but we have the edubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:59] <highvoltage> Petaris: :)
[09:59] <highvoltage> would be interesting to know what causes Petaris's problem
[09:59] <Petaris> its ok, I have to leave very soon
[09:59] <Petaris> but I will drop by tomarrow
[10:09] <Petaris> I'm off
[10:09] <Petaris> later
[10:10] <edubuntugirl> feels like someone walked over my grave
[10:16] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: don't worry, we still love you!
[10:16] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sorry...
[10:16] <JaneW> haha
[10:17] <HedgeMage> edubuntugirl/LaserJock: talking to yourself again?
[10:17] <HedgeMage> :P
[10:17] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: #ubuntu-meeting
[10:18] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: stay here
[10:18] <edubuntugirl> ok, i'm not planning on going anywhere.
[10:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I was just trying to reassure her. Don't want her to start spreading viruses or becoming suicidal
[10:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: thanks
[10:35] <edubuntugirl> hi arkan0x and juliux_
[10:35] <juliux_> hi edubuntugirl
[10:35] <edubuntugirl> hi, juliux_!
[10:35] <juliux_> hi edubuntugirl
[10:35] <edubuntugirl> ello, juliux_!
[10:36] <arkan0x> hi edubuntugirl !
[10:36] <edubuntugirl> hi, arkan0x!
[10:36] <juliux_> hi edubuntugirl
[10:36] <edubuntugirl> yo, juliux_!
[10:38] <highvoltage> i keep forgetting, what does ESA stand for again?
[10:39] <highvoltage> ah, edubuntu school advocacy, d'oh!
[10:39] <ogra> european space agency
[10:40] <highvoltage> :)
[10:44] <edubuntugirl> is it true that there are bugs running around in these rooms? i heard a rumour that someone in a channel next door was hiding from the bugs.
[10:46] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: yes. shocking, but true :/
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: I'm not following you...
[10:46] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: it happens
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: huh?
[10:46] <LaserJock> little dense today, isn't she ;-)
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sorry :(
[10:46] <juliux_> ogra, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/142123542/ from your talk in wiesbaden
[10:48] <cbx33> JaneW, pm quick?
[11:03] <cbx33> JaneW, I agree on that
[11:04] <cbx33> right I'm off fo a few minutes
[11:04] <Amaranth> cbx33: edubuntu homies should be edubuntu crew :P
[11:04] <cbx33> ping me if anyone needs anything
[11:04] <cbx33> Amaranth, hehe
[11:05] <cbx33> heh
[11:05] <Amaranth> crew is the new gang
[11:06] <JaneW> thanks cbx33
[11:06] <JaneW> hi edubuntugirl
[11:06] <edubuntugirl> sup, JaneW!
[11:06] <LaserJock> maybe we should work the schedule out a bit more.
[11:06] <cbx33> JaneW, what for?
[11:07] <edubuntugirl> ogra: that's enough now
[11:07] <ogra> LaserJock, which schedule ?
[11:07] <ogra> edubuntugirl, hey, i only hugged back :)
[11:07] <edubuntugirl> ogra: excuse me?
[11:07] <LaserJock> ogra: for meetings, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingTimes for example
[11:07] <highvoltage> hehe
[11:08] <highvoltage> goodnight :)
[11:08] <ogra> urgh
[11:08] <ogra> whats that ?
[11:08] <highvoltage> that's what we say when we can't stay up anymore
[11:08] <highvoltage> and when we say things that odn't make sense anymore
[11:08] <ogra> highvoltage, i meant that horrible table on the page above
[11:08] <highvoltage> adn we have to kee p out eylids open with figners
[11:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: ditto
[11:09] <Amaranth> highvoltage: not true
[11:09] <Amaranth> i say "more caffeine"
[11:09] <ogra> yeah
[11:09] <JaneW> I really don;t think I can face a call with mdz now
[11:09] <ogra> caffeine++
[11:09] <JaneW> do I have to do it now?
[11:09] <LaserJock> ogra: everybody puts a -1 for hours that are no good, 0 for so-so, and 1 for hours that are good
[11:09] <ogra> JaneW, mdz is here, ask him :)
[11:09] <Amaranth> but whatever you do, no matter what people might tell you, do not slam a 6 pack of red bull
[11:10] <LaserJock> ogra: and then you can easily add up the colums and see what hours are the best for everybody
[11:10] <JaneW> ogra: I am so tired
[11:10] <JaneW> hi mdz :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yikes
[11:10] <Amaranth> i couldn't type very well
[11:10] <ogra> LaserJock, we're only 5 ppl in the council and for the community we specially make the rotating two dates
[11:10] <Amaranth> twitchy
[11:10] <JaneW> cbx33: I was saying thanks for all your work on the BETT proposal, sorry if that wasn't clear
[11:10] <ogra> i dont think we need to change that for now
[11:11] <LaserJock> ogra: yes, but I was wondering if the 2 times we go back and forth on are ok
[11:11] <cbx33> JaneW, np
[11:11] <ogra> LaserJock, they are ok for JaneW, thats important ...
[11:11] <LaserJock> hehe, I see ;-)
[11:11] <ogra> :)
[11:11] <JaneW> LaserJock: do they not suit you?
[11:11] <ogra> she's our management
[11:12] <JaneW> we can certainly negotiate
[11:12] <JaneW> BUT I will take a LOT of convincing to accept another 4am meeting slot
[11:12] <JaneW> one is more than enough
[11:12] <LaserJock> JaneW: the early one is 0500 for me, which is ~3-4 hrs before I usually get up. It isn't a big problem because I'm not that significant ;-)
[11:12] <ogra> we could do 5am directly afterwards ;)
[11:12] <JaneW> I did mail the fridge with our new times, so that should have been updated now
[11:12] <JaneW> ogra: great idea!
[11:13] <JaneW> N*O*T
[11:13] <ogra> LaserJock, no need to attend every meeting :)
[11:13] <JaneW> although I am notmally pretty awake at that time
[11:13] <JaneW> HedgeMage: condolences
[11:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, exactly thats why we have had our first 20:00 UTC meeting today ;)
[11:13] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'm -8 as well ;-)
[11:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: and I love ya all for it :)
[11:13] <JaneW> at least we have many people on the same or sim tz to me, so I can be more adamant about it :)
[11:14] <ogra> to cover people like you, LaserJock and Amaranth
[11:14] <HedgeMage> JaneW: LOL on my time zone or my sleeping habits?
[11:14] <LaserJock> right, I just wondered if moving the early one up an hour would help a lot of people or no
[11:14] <Amaranth> -5
[11:14] <cbx33> right guys I think I'm off too
[11:14] <JaneW> HedgeMage: TZ mostly, alhtough your sleeping habits need help too
[11:14] <cbx33> had the crappest of days till tonight
[11:14] <ogra> LaserJock, the early one was suited for east coast people
[11:14] <Amaranth> i get up at 0:00 UTC and go to bed at 17:00 UTC
[11:15] <JaneW> LaserJock: moving up? what do you mean? earlier or later?
[11:15] <HedgeMage> JaneW: that's actually better than my average sleeping schedule, but that's what happens when you have a little one :P
[11:15] <ogra> flint and jelkner usually attend the early ones
[11:15] <LaserJock> JaneW: later
[11:15] <JaneW> HedgeMage: oh I know all about that (done it twice)
[11:15] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i added my times too
[11:15] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: move which meeting to which time? I don't quite follow
[11:15] <ogra> later will clash with jelkners school schedule
[11:15] <ogra> and kjcole as well iirc
[11:15] <LaserJock> ogra, ok fine
[11:16] <cbx33> nn all
[11:16] <JaneW> but 13:00 and later get's inconvenient
[11:16] <LaserJock> JaneW: Noooo
[11:16] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:16] <JaneW> HedgeMage: belive me it doesn't get easier
[11:16] <JaneW> we have the same problem with the distro team
[11:17] <JaneW> and now we have a 6 hourly rotating schedule
[11:17] <HedgeMage> ouch
[11:17] <JaneW> so everyone is equally screwed
[11:17] <LaserJock> lol
[11:17] <LaserJock> ok, so I think the current schedule is good
[11:17] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:18] <ogra> you are screwed only once a month though :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> seems to suit the most people as much as possible
[11:18] <cbx33> i agree
[11:18] <LaserJock> and us West Coasters will just have to deal with it ;-)
[11:18] <JaneW> \o/
[11:19] <JaneW> and if anyone complains again, it's back to 12:00 every week :P
[11:19] <JaneW> be warned
[11:19] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:19] <HedgeMage> oh, noes!
[11:19] <HedgeMage> :P
[11:19] <edubuntugirl> i'm unhappy about the times
[11:19] <LaserJock> shut up edubuntugirl, if you know what's good for you ;-)
[11:19] <edubuntugirl> ouch
[11:19] <HedgeMage> lol @ LaserJock
[11:20] <cbx33> :p


[16:31] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 11 16:32:09 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <tyhicks> Philip Muškovac (yofel) provided a debdiff for trusty for kinit (LP: #1595507)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Björn Michaelsen (Sweetshark) provided debdiffs for Xenial, Wily, and Precise for libreoffice
[16:32] <tyhicks> Stefan Bader (smb) provided a debdiff for wily for xen
[16:32] <tyhicks> Trent Lloyd (lathiat) provided a debdiff for precise to fix a regression in the last security update for passenger (LP: #1575220)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[16:33] <mdeslaur> and am in the midst of publishing some usns
[16:33] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll be going down the usn list
[16:33] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:33] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm poking through the yakkety rebuild failures list, looking for pie related failrues
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm going to try to finish up the pillow/python-imaging update I had been working a while ago, and maybe pick up another update.
[16:35] <sbeattie> I have some kernel signoffs to do, and some other bakcground tasks to take on.
[16:35] <sbeattie> that's probably it for me. tyhicks?
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm on CVE triage this week
[16:36] <tyhicks> I have an ecryptfs-utils update to put out
[16:37] <tyhicks> would be nice to circle back around to the apparmor python utils patch that I need to do a v2 spin of so that I can finish the apparmor upload
[16:37] <tyhicks> and I'll be working on seccomp logging changes for snappy dev mode
[16:37] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead (jj isn't in this channel right now)
[16:38] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week reviewing biometryd and related tools
[16:38] <sarnold> I can't recall what's on the list after that, but once I'm done I'll just move on to the next card
[16:39] <sarnold> I'm hoping to hear back from tvoss (he may have already replied, timezones are sometimes wonderful things :) about some questions I had about c++14 idioms.. it's a dense language.
[16:39] <sarnold> I can probably just leave those questions until he replies there, there's a lot of code there to review..
[16:39] <sarnold> that's me, chrisccoulson?
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> This week I've got thunderbird 45 to get out - I was hoping that would have been last week, but I've had difficulty getting it building on trusty/i386 (have worked around that for now)
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> I shall also be preparing the oxide 1.16 release
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I need to also fix bug 1601887 (just been reported)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, assuming there are no other distractions this week I'll be working through Oxide tasks as usual
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:43] <tyhicks> odd bug
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> Last week's distraction btw (in addition to thunderbird) was bug 1599236 :)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> Which turned out to be a build system issue
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> That wasn't fun to debug
[16:44] <tyhicks> build system isn't the first thing that comes to mind when reading that bug title :)
[16:44] <sarnold> heh
[16:44] <tyhicks> ratliff: you're up :)
[16:45] <sarnold> it'll be fun to see how an inverted and rotated image is also a build bug...
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:45] <ratliff> I'm working through a number of setup tasks - installed a new hard drive and configured ubumirror to create a local mirror of the archive
[16:46] <ratliff> prepping for the upcoming Snappy and Cloud sprints primarily
[16:46] <ratliff> that's it for me
[16:47] <tyhicks> ratliff: don't hesitate to ping me about any questions you have while doing sprint prep
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:47] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:47] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/hawtjni.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ntopng.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/opensaml2.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nsd.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lhasa.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:47] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:48] <teward> nope, other than a Thank You to the Security Team for keeping Ubuntu secure, and for all your efforts on that front :)
[16:48] <tyhicks> thank you, teward :)
[16:48] <teward> you're welcome :)
[16:49] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:49] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 16:49:21 2016 UTC.
[16:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-11-16.32.moin.txt
[16:49] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:49] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:49] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thank you!
[17:07] <cholcombe> gnuoy, are we doing this meeting?
[17:07] <gnuoy> cholcombe, yes, in #opnestack-meeting-4
[17:07] <gnuoy> *openstack
[17:07] <cholcombe> gnuoy, thanks


[18:15] <yano> https://youtu.be/d-XbjFn3aqE
[18:15] <jenni> [ Fun With Gas | MythBusters - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/20xyb1h
[23:16] <PCLine__> Hello OHIO
[23:22] <yano> Howdy
[23:28] <PCLine__> Hey yano - Hows things with you?
[23:28] <yano> alrighty, you?
[23:31] <PCLine__> Great today.
[23:31] <PCLine__> Wondering if I could go outside and get something done (in the dark)!
[23:38] <Unit193> ...Is that like "Hello Seattle"?


[08:10] <janimo> I need to ask mvo to do the same for update notifier
[08:10] <tseng> can i say
[08:10] <janimo> they're generic gtk apps which use gnome libs too
[08:10] <tseng> onlyshowin=gnome,xfce?
[08:11] <janimo> tseng, yes
[08:11] <tseng> ok
[08:11] <tseng> thats fine
[08:11] <janimo> I'd say it could even go in kde
[08:11] <tseng> no
[08:11] <janimo> is that a daemon?
[08:11] <tseng> kde uses a different file path
[08:11] <tseng> for autostart files
[08:11] <tseng> yay for standards
[08:11] <janimo> I'd thought only show in is to be used when teh app could cause confusion or misbehaviour in a specific environment
[08:12] <Keybuk> the nice thing about them is that there are so many to choose from
[08:12] <janimo> not when it's written using the other ui toolkit
[08:12] <tseng> eh
[08:12] <tseng> its done so that gnome uses it in one path
[08:12] <tseng> and kde uses it in another
[08:12] <tseng> you can debate the onlyshowin= all day for all I care
[08:12] <tseng> when they use the path I'll happily list anything in there you want
[08:13] <janimo> so far xfce will do thanks :)
[08:13] <tseng> np
[08:14] <janimo> Kinnison: hello, could g-p-m's autostart file have xfce added besides gnome in the autostart .desktop file's onlyshowin entry? I file a LP bug to remind you if you wish
[08:15] <Diziet> doko: You said in your meeting paste that you wanted my feedback on something font-related ?  Can you send me a mail about that ?  I have to go now but I want to answer you ASAP.
[08:15] <nomed> janimo, yes better then usually .. anyway always same mood
[08:16] <doko> Diziet: that was two weeks ago, last meeting I did want feedback from Riddell ;-)
[08:16] <Diziet> Oh!
[08:16] <Diziet> Good.
[08:16] <Diziet> I thought it looked familiar.
[08:16] <janimo> nomed: we had a private mail exchange and the communication seesm to have improved since :)
[08:16] <Diziet> But I thought `surely my IRC scrollback doesn't go back that far'.  Evidently it does.
[08:16] <nomed> that's cool :)
[08:16] <Diziet> You see, it just occurred to me that I didn't search in each client for the nick I use with the other one ...
[08:17] <Diziet> Anyway, I'm off now.  Thanks :-).
[08:21] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: hi I got the LTSP error too
[08:21] <janimo> looks like we need to have new CDs :(
[08:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I was out biking so if you'd like to upload, that'd be nice.
[08:23] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I presume this affects all distros?
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, ok, it's not an issue with my drive then...
[08:24] <Kamion> Mithrandir: just uploaded; yeah, it affects both the GTK and KDE frontends :(
[08:25] <Kamion> was introduced by the fix to make ubiquity handle partman exceptions
[08:26] <Mithrandir> Kamion: we'll just roll new images once it's in, then.
[08:29] <Treenaks> gar @ dying spamd
[08:31] <ogra> Amaranth, btw, since you want to work on an edubuntu SoC project, being in #edubuntu might be good :)
[08:32] <kagou> is there rules to use for permissions on directory/files under /var/log ?
[08:32] <Amaranth> ogra: good idea :)
[08:32] <ogra> :)
[08:45] <shutdownrunner> Hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu under compaq deskpro 350. all the time I'm getting errors. Under dapper I don't know what the problem is "Attempted to kill init ...", but under breezy I get "Acpi : Unable to load system description database" and something about [_SB_]  not to be found. Have you got any ideas what this is? If you could suggest where I could look for a solution, I'd also be grateful.
[08:56] <janimo> Mithrandir: a new xubuntu install CD will be needed unfortunately. The current one tries to install LTSP and fails. So I took out that package from the installer seed for now
[09:00] <Mithrandir> janimo: ok, tell me when you have new meta packages in the archive.
[09:02] <Kamion> you don't need a -meta upload for an installer seed change, just a CD rebuild
[09:02] <Kamion> assuming rookery has the new seeds
[09:04] <Mithrandir> oh, ok
[09:06] <janimo> Mithrandir:  The seeds are mirrored already in Kamion's bzr branch soI guess it's good to go
[09:07] <Mithrandir> janimo: build running
[09:07] <janimo> Kamion, so if I want a ltspserver install should I not put it in the installer seed as it affects workstation install as well?
[09:07] <janimo> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:08] <janimo> the 4 packages that made up the ltsp menu entry which I added to the LP bug may need to be ammended with the ltsp-client-builder then
[09:30] <janimo> Mithrandir: ok rsynced the new image, started testing
[09:48] <ben-2006> hey, I am planning on entering the google summer of code for an ubuntu project - anyone got any tips?
[09:48] <pygi> ben-2006: I might be of help considering I am a mentor there :)
[09:48] <pygi> ben-2006: what project are you interested in?
[09:49] <ben-2006> i've completed an application for the sync tool (haven't submitted it yet)
[09:49] <pygi> ben-2006: point me to the link on Ubuntu SoC wiki pls?
[09:49] <ben-2006> want to complete another application (just to give me more chance, really excited about the opporunity)
[09:50] <ben-2006> 2secs
[09:50] <ben-2006> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultipleComputersSynchronization
[09:50] <pygi> ben-2006: also, please move to #summer-discuss at slashnet, cause this is not appropriate place
[10:24] <pitti> hey seb128, wb
[10:24] <seb128> re pitti
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: thanks for the POT files, great!
[10:24] <seb128> are we still upload frozen? :)
[10:24] <pitti> (- fixes)
[10:24] <seb128> pitti: np
[10:29] <pygi> Kamion: around? :)
[10:34] <Riddell> Mithrandir: still expecting flight 7 tonight?
[10:34] <Mithrandir> Riddell: no, tomorrow.
[10:35] <Mithrandir> Riddell: we need to redo the live images.
[10:35] <Riddell> yeah, just wondering if that was happening today
[10:35] <Riddell> but tomorrow is good
[11:00] <pygi> Kamion: still not here? :-/
[11:17] <Kamion> pygi: it's my evening, dude
[11:17] <Kamion> pygi: I'm going to bed now, but if you say what you want then I'll reply when I'm next around
[11:17] <pygi> Kamion: yes, sorry :-/ Enjoy :)
[11:18] <pygi> will do, thanks
[11:45] <andreasn> JaneW: ping
[11:46] <pygi> andreasn: I don't think she's here now :)
[11:46] <andreasn> ok
[11:46] <andreasn> thanks
[11:47] <andreasn> when can I usually reach her?
[11:48] <janimo> Mithrandir: ok xubuntu install CD looks good on i386 can become flight 7
[12:01] <carlos> pitti: I know is a bit late... but if you are still around and can execute the script to compare the language packs tarballs... that would be really good
[12:01] <pitti> carlos: yes, I can