[00:06] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om: I removed 1 card and believe the driver is loaded http://termbin.com/mbvle
[00:07] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: look'n .
[00:08] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Yepper " configuration: driver=amdgpu  " .. I expect ya look'n good .
[00:09] <zeeblefritz> should the clock rate matter for performance? or is it just showing idle speed?
[00:10] <An0nymous> anyone alive here
[00:11] <zeeblefritz> nope
[00:11] <zeeblefritz> so dead
[00:13] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Did the kernel configure it's self when you booted up ?
[00:14] <An0nymous> any ideas outside of chamging boot config to modify resolution on mate/pi display
[00:14] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om: how would one know this?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: If you just booted up and the driver is loaded;  the kernel did all the discovery for us :)
[00:16] <MannyLNJ> Hello, Not sure where to ask. I have an LG Androd phone on Android 7.0 and I am looking for instructions  on how to backup the entoer phone to my Ubuntu 16.04 system. Am I in the correct channel or should I ask in Android?
[00:17] <An0nymous> manny get a backup app like TWRP and put backups everywhere..
[00:17] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om: Yes, this is how it happened.
[00:18] <An0nymous> i generally use adb
[00:18] <MannyLNJ> An0nymous,  I believe TWRP requires ROOT on the Android phone and I lack that
[00:18] <An0nymous> lookup adb on buntu
[00:18] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: nice kernel --- roll over : good boy :)
[00:18] <An0nymous> i am fairly certain can backup from adb
[00:18] <MannyLNJ> An0nymous,  thank you for that starting point
[00:21] <An0nymous> anyone here usp raspi
[00:36] <Vivekananda> Hi. Trying to understand this (https://askubuntu.com/questions/681422/grub-menu-not-showing-with-dual-boot-uefi-mode-installation ) instruction for dual boot, uefi, grub not found issues. Can anyone help me understand what  'disk' and 'system partition' mean for my gparted image. Image also provided below
[00:37] <Toffe> Hey guys
[00:37] <Toffe> anyone here know why i might have trouble getting port 80 on my wan?
[00:38] <xeyes> ah
[00:38] <Toffe> I port forwarded port 8080 and port 80 to <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[00:38] <Toffe> when i visit my wan-ip:8080 i get the webpage
[00:38] <Toffe> when i visit wan-ip:80 i get nothing
[00:39] <Toffe> but if i do local-ip:80 i get my webpage
[00:44] <Vivekananda> imgur.com/a/xrq8g
[00:47] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: a 2nd drive (sdb) partitoned as GPT with 16 partitions .
[00:54] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I didn't quite get you. Could you tell me clearly what 'disk' means and what 'system partition' means. I thought 'disk' = sdb (ie without any number in the end) and 'system partition' = /dev/sdb7 (ie the partition where I installed the ubuntu system).  Is this correct ?
[00:55] <Vivekananda> Also I installed ubuntu on sdb7 ( mount point \ ) and on sdb8 and9 I gave \home and swap respectively. Wonder why thatdoesn't showup as such on gparted when running gparted from a live cd. !
[00:58] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Sure .. sda - is (S)erial (D)evice (1) - sdb is the 2nd drive, sdc would be a 3rd drive. sdb7 is a partition- that is presemly a Windows partition . linux is ext4 as the default partition file system .
[01:00] <sybariten> hello fellow apt lovers
[01:00] <sybariten> What could be a probable reason that i get "E: Unable to locate package gitfs" when following these instructions?  http://docs.presslabs.com/gitfs/usage/
[01:00] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: thanks. I meant that in the code provided in the solution on the link above what do the words sd* , sd**, sd*** mean based on my image I pasted above is what I was asking. Please note that I installed ubuntu on sd7 + sd8 + sd9  ( \ , \home, \ swap). Given this info I need the names for each of those *** sd's
[01:01] <sybariten> I add a repo, i update, and i try to install
[01:01] <sybariten> I should maybe mention that i'm on xubuntu, i dont know if that could make any difference in this case...
[01:04] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: show a real shot of your GPartd . ion the reference sd(***) are but place holders for the actual target identifiers .
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Let's talk from a terminal perspective . from your installer - try ububtu mode - ctl+alt+t to gain a terminal . pastebin ' sudo parted -l' and we have a talk .
[01:12] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: imgur.com/a/xrq8g.  I tried the code substituting as follows: /mnt = /media/b7 ; /mount/boot/efi = /media/b2 ; sd*** = sdb7; sd** = sdb2; sd* = sdb;  Then on executing the code i get the error : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1ee4e5c010c44a7c6829b80dfa5a9ec2
[01:13] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, do you get anything for   sudo apt-cache search gitfs
[01:14] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: i dont, actually
[01:14] <Seven_Six_Two> did you get any errors for the previous 2 steps?
[01:15] <sybariten> I mean it's so weird when this comes from the creators web page, AFAI can tell. Could ofcourse be a terribly non-updated web page, but....
[01:15] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: no, not that i can see
[01:15] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: well, no ! .. got to give the system explicit directions . For the ease of teaching please a text paste rather than an image - formatting !- .
[01:16] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: the add-apt-repo thing says somet things about gpg keys, requests something from a keyserver but it seems to end in an "OK"
[01:16] <Vivekananda> sure gimme a sec
[01:16] <Seven_Six_Two> try    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:presslabs/ppa
[01:16] <tenemu1> hey guys.  I'm new to linux and keep finding myself breaking stuff.  I am running a virtual machine with ubuntu 16.04 on my windows machine.  I installed python 3.6.  I'm trying to follow this website to get django installed.  https://simpleisbetterthancomplex.com/series/2017/09/04/a-complete-beginners-guide-to-django-part-1.html?utm_source=mybridge&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=read_more
[01:16] <tenemu1> i am getting stuck at the virtual environment part
[01:16] <tenemu1> i make a project folder, and tried what was listed on the website and it just installed the virtual environment with python 2.7.  I uninstalled that and tried the command "python3 -m venv myenv" based on some things i read
[01:17] <Seven_Six_Two> oh no wait. I don't see gitfs in their ppa at all
[01:17] <tenemu1> and it tells me that i need to install python3-venv, but i already have that installed
[01:17] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: ok lets see, got a similar reponse ... doing the apt get update...
[01:18] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: still no gitfs with the cache searc, still no luck with the installing
[01:18] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: i suppose its naive to think there would be some world wide search engine that lists "all" ubuntu/debian packages i could install
[01:19] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, what version of ubuntu?
[01:19] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I called a terminal from the desktop ui and executed the parted command. Result -- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1ee4e5c010c44a7c6829b80dfa5a9ec2
[01:19] <Bashing-om> sybariten: All packages from the repo ? .. install synaptic .
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: looking;
[01:20] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, there are only packages for trusty and precise
[01:20] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: its actuyally xubuntu, does that make a difference?
[01:20] <Vivekananda> sorry wrong link one sec
[01:20] <Vivekananda> https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/1e38ae242f2b2cd7a984a231db400eb6
[01:20] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, the base version is what's important.
[01:21] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, lsb_release -a
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: OK. let's back up . you want to dual boot Windows with ubuntu, right ? Want to see the directions ?
[01:23] <Geo> Hi, when clicking in the scroll bar on a window, is there a way to set it to just scroll up a page, rather than jump to the position that matches where in the scroll bar I clicked?
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: You really really want the file system ( partitions 6 and 7 ) to be ext4 . ext4 has major enhancements over ext3 such as file journalling .
[01:26] <eblu> hi guys, i screwed everything up
[01:26] <eblu> i set my BIOS to fast mode and now i can't access any other options in GRUB, nor can i get back into the BIOS itself
[01:27] <eblu> so now i'm stuck in ubuntu and can't do recovery anything since i can't do anything with my BIOS
[01:27] <eblu> question is, is there a way to boot directly into BIOS/UEFI from ubuntu
[01:27] <Vivekananda> sure. Also, were the directions I followed ( linked above) not good / accurate ?  Second question. After mounting them I see two partitions having  'boot' and 'efi' folders so was also confused which one was actually the efi-booting partition. The flags helped but wanted to be sure
[01:28] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: ubuntu 16.04, xenial
[01:28] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Vivekananda
[01:28] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I couldn't agree more with you but the only reason I chose ext3 is coz cannot write from windows ot ext4 and will SURELY need that writing ability
[01:29] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: The installer will use the existing EFI partition .
[01:30] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Windows tools for Windows system; linix tools for the ubuntu stuff .
[01:30] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, that's the problem. There's no xenial package in that repo
[01:30] <JohnVonNeumann> hey guys, anyone have any experience in changing their production environments from amazon linux to ubuntu? anyone have any neagtives of running ubuntu in production?
[01:30] <eblu> not sure if people saw my question so i'll ask again
[01:31] <Seven_Six_Two> eblu, try holding left shift when you reboot
[01:31] <eblu> alright, i'll try
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: When ready we continue the discussion .
[01:33] <eblu> nope, didn't work
[01:33] <eblu> not sure if it's the fact that fast boot disabled all usb devices on boot
[01:34] <eblu> i am thinking i might be able to change the grub config to jump me into UEFI by default so that might be a fix
[01:35] <argent-coffee> if it's a setting in uefi for fast boot the only way i had of accessing it was with a windows system board app that comes from the manufacturer
[01:36] <argent-coffee> this was with an asrock board though
[01:37] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: aha. What does this mean in layman terms, a package like gitfs cant be trusted to just be "forward compatible" ?
[01:39] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: let me read. Also since system is dual boot I don't want to be handicapped to transfer files from one to the other so ...
[01:40] <Vivekananda> ext3 for me now
[01:41] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Well, you do not have to be handicapped. ubuntu read Windows .. and Windows can be made to read linux .
[01:41] <Bashing-om> reads*
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, it could be, but it's packaged for a specific version to make sure dependencies of the right version are there. You can build it for your own version, but that risk is on you.  https://github.com/PressLabs/gitfs
[01:42] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: ok i see. Bummer. Thanks for the help!
[01:43] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I did search a bit but the only windows tool that reads is EXt2Fsd and it reads AND writes ext3 but only READS ext4. writing in ext4 from windows is touch and go and hence my choice for 3.  am readin gyour link. Seems it is for legacy dual boot not UEFI based dual boot
[01:43] <eblu> alright, looks like i solved my own problem there
[01:43] <eblu> thanks for having a UEFI entry, grub
[01:43] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, the build looks very simple, actually.
[01:43] <eblu> now to somehow restore the ubuntu on wayland option since KDE decided it would be a bright idea to replace it with itself
[01:44] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: you mean as in making from source ?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> !UEFI | Vivekananda
[01:45] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, yes. it's only python, so the setup isn't too bad. The instructions aren't for beginners, but you might be able to get away with running "make" and possibly "make install"
[01:45] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: btw did you LOOK at the link I was using. I chose that link coz that coz the situation of the user was very similar to mine. I already have a 8.1 installed original system (which is failing) and I am trying to install ubuntu on it. Since it is a very confusing setup by lenovo and also am very new to uefi is why amhaving all this trouble. Reading...
[01:45] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: I have the suspicsion that ubuntu is installed . just need to install grub properly .
[01:46] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, do you program python, or have you installed anything from source before?
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: No I did not pay close attention to the askubuntu link .
[01:46] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: yeah I did install ubuntu and yeah justneed grub to be installed. Butwhere and how iswhere I am stuck. Reading your link above of uefi
[01:47] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Ya want the easy answer or to understand what we are doing ?
[01:47] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I have to time so want to LEARN , hence reading the uefi link. But then I will have more questions :)
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: K. when you get caught up . presently the EFI partition is sdb2 // 2nd drive 2nd partition .
[01:51] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok I will finish reading. In the meantime since you said sdb2, I too thought of THAT as the EFI partition. During installe of ubuntu I chose boot partition AS sdb2 too!  I was expecting that on completing install and reboot I will see the grub menu. I didn't . Then I used a live cd to see if there was any ubuntu folder in sdb2 but nope! nothing there. howcome ?
[01:52] <donofrio_> is there a better way to get most of the packages installed on one host installed on another host, I've used dpkg in the past but figured I'd ask again a year or so later and see what you folks recommend
[02:00] <Seven_Six_Two> donofrio_, apt-clone
[02:01] <donofrio_> k
[02:02] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Well. sdb2 is a fat32 file system. The installer looks for a linux file system ( ext3 will do for now ) . %he grub installation needs both the EFI partition and the root partition defined for it .
[02:03] <sybariten> Seven_Six_Two: well. i know about python, i've done a little tinkering.... and i've installed things from source before. The thing is i really like the "comfort" of having a package registered by the system so you can just apt-get remove it or whatever the syntax is....
[02:03] <sybariten> i like the control that apt-get gives
[02:03] <sybariten> But i might look into building it then. Now i need to sleep.... again, thanks
[02:03] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, maybe now would be a good time to learn how to package a deb ;)
[02:03] <sybariten> hehe, yeah thats true
[02:04] <sybariten> you can do that with something youve built yourself and get a similar control, i suppose?
[02:04] <Seven_Six_Two> sybariten, yes!
[02:05] <sybariten> yeah... then i should look into that!
[02:05] <sybariten> sleepy time... laters!
[02:07] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om:  The grub installation needs both the EFI partition and the root partition defined for it . -- Didn't I give these two things to grub when running the command as shown in the gist ?  I gave the sdb2 as the uefi  and gave sdb7  mounted on /media/b6 as the location of linux root. So that code should have worked righht ? Unless grub too needs an ext3 uefi partition to install in which case it won't go to fat32
[02:07] <Vivekananda> still reading..
[02:08] <Geo> Hi, when clicking in the scroll bar on a window, is there a way to set it to just scroll up a page, rather than jump to the position that matches where in the scroll bar I clicked?
[02:08] <donofrio_> Seven_Six_Two, https://apaste.info/Uv1q ;(
[02:08] <donofrio_> that was just me making the source file
[02:12] <Seven_Six_Two> https://www.blunix.org/hand-cloning-a-debian-ubuntu-system/
[02:13] <tenemu1> Hi all.  I'm trying to activate a virtual environment in ubuntu 16.04 and i'm getting the error that i need to install python3-venv.  I already have that installed though.  Any ideas?
[02:13] <Seven_Six_Two> donofrio_, you also forgot the "."
[02:14] <donofrio_> Seven_Six_Two, dot where?
[02:15] <donofrio_> just tried to create the "source file" with "apt-clone clone installed-packages.txt" and t returned 'not installable?
[02:15] <donofrio_> oh it made the file
[02:16] <Seven_Six_Two> in the command after the second clone.  sudo apt-clone clone . --with-dpkg-repack
[02:16] <donofrio_> that is a note it seems not me typeing that
[02:17] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok done reading the uefi. The only relevant thing I understood was that the mount points of the linux root and the efi have to be clearly defined (which aren't so in the live disk). Other than that not sure how to install grub in the correct location besides running boot repair.
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Are you for sure certain where ubuntu's root partition is at do we need to verify ? - prior to proceeding we have to KNOW this .
[02:22] <Vivekananda> I am happy to mount that partition and check again.  it should be /dev/sdb7   (not sdb6 which I think I mistakenly said a little while ago). let me verify though
[02:23] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I checked and /dev/sdb7 IS the linux root yes
[02:24] <Vivekananda>  but do explain the steps that we need to do to get the system correct. Also why aren't those mount points showing at all ?
[02:28] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Untill you make the mount points they do not exist . Pardon my delays - I am working 4 fronts presently .
[02:31] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om:  I did make them during the install but they aren't visible now in the live cd ! Is this so coz grub wasn't installed or coz it is live cd or something else ? Also why wasn't grub installed during the os install if I chose the boot drive correctly during install (as sdb2) ?   no issues with the delays
[02:33] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: What we are going to do is make the mountpoints ( attaching other file systems to the kernel ). set up the installed paths for grub to see, and then install grub . As I do not know the state of grub we do it the intensive way .
[02:33] <Vivekananda> k
[02:34] <Vivekananda> so should I go ahead and give mount points on gparted in live cd and execute it via gui ?
[02:35] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: sda2 is a partition , grub is not happy to install to a partition, is not an easy thing to do . one installes grub to the device - sdb .
[02:36] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: we work from the liveUSBs terminal . Will "change root" into the install from there .
[02:36] <Vivekananda> ah so I should have chosen sdb from the installer dropdown then?  shoot!  but I distinctly remember seeing a video guide where the person also chose sdb2
[02:37] <Vivekananda> ok so then will try the terminal approach not gparted approach
[02:42] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: waiting on you and also reading. so I guess wil have to locate  /etc/fstab on the Installed linux root (after mounting it) and then change it there is it? ifso howwill that reflect immediately  on  fdisk -l  on live cd ?
[02:44] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: K; Mount points from the liveUSB : sudo mkdir /mnt/root ; sudo mkdir -p /mnt/EFI ; sudo mount /dev/sdb7 /mnt/root ; mount -t vfat -o rw,users /dev/sdb2 /mnt/EFI . once to this point advise and we check and make sure of the target .
[02:46] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok  doing. Quick question is there anything special about using /mnt or could I have used /media/root ... etc with same effect ?
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: The mount yes, can be where ever you want . /mnt is for my thought process . Keep in mind here I am bouncing about a lot . patience please .
[02:55] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok done with the mount. I see two folders ie EFI and root in the /mnt directory
[02:57] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: great ! .. ok ' ls -al /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg ' has a positive result ? we just want to make sre of the target here .
[02:59] <Vivekananda> ls -la /mnt/root/boot/grub/grub.cfg is a positive for grub.cfg yes !
[03:06] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Outstanding onward ! ' for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt/root$i; done ' . ' modprobe efivars ' . Then we continue .
[03:09] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok I executed both commands successively. Done. No outputs though (expected ? )
[03:12] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Yepper expected . now for the biggy ' sudo chroot /mnt/root ' and make sure we have networking : ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' .
[03:13] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok done and yes for networking
[03:15] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: ' apt install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed ' .
[03:20] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: want to know more about this last command.  But also during installation I got the last line of the output as --  Can't acces efivars filesystem at /sys/firmware/efi/efivars,  aborting.     Other than this there was some output which did some setup and stuff
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: think'n - back soonest I get some head room ,
[03:45] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: anything. DidIdosomething  wrong. should I start  over and reinstall the new os ?
[03:57] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: No hold what we have , comming up with an alternate command to install grub that I m sure of . getting that hed room :)
[04:00] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok.  I am waiting also goingto get sth to eat in the meantime
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Good . I m think'n we will have to disable secure boot ., checking at this time ... just for now hold what we have .
[04:12] <hwdyki> how do i build a deb src package?
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> !deb | hwdyki
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> !compile | hwdyki
[04:16] <hwdyki> i need to make some changes to an existing deb package and it needs to be built with the same compile settings it was originally built with.
[04:16] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: I can find no other fault to the install of grub . let's back out of the change root and disable secure boot in the firmware ,, and try this again .
[04:18] <SynfulAck> is localhost some native thing that just defaults to <IP_ADDRESS>? I tried to use type and alias on it thinking it may be just aliased to 127.x.x.x but nothing came up.
[04:20] <Triffid_Hunter> SynfulAck: on my system it's just listed in /etc/hosts
[04:21] <SynfulAck> Triffid_Hunter, hah yeah interesting. I changed the hostname away from localhost but i guest somehow that just stays the same.
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> SynfulAck: try the ##networking channel perhaps
[04:25] <Vivekananda> I have to check how to disable secure boot
[04:25] <Vivekananda> mine is a lenovo y510p
[04:26] <Vivekananda> ok goint to restart \
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Vivekananda: are you going to install ubuntu single?
[04:28] <Vivekananda> nop dual boot uefi
[04:37] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: awaiting advisement from one who knows EFI systems .
[04:38] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: before rebooting if ya time out .. will need to back out of that change root we set up .
[04:40] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I already rebooted and didn't do any changes. just shut down. Now looking for ways to disable secure boot. There is no option for it. Thinking I might need to flash the biositself to a more open one :(
[04:42] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Ouch . Wish I could help there . But evey manufacturer does EFI different . No ideas how to find secire boot . How old is this box ?
[04:43] <Vivekananda> well 4 - 5 yrs
[04:43] <Vivekananda> I might be able to find it !
[04:44] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: that old . Secure boot may not be a factor .
[04:50] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I am going to go into there again and try the same steps
[04:51] <Vivekananda> I changed one parameter in bios. hopefully thatwould help. btw the machine is a lenovo y510p ideapad.
[04:54] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: still awaiting my confirmation .( and I do have an altenate grub install directive that might be the more proper ) .
[04:56] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ya got time to look over my shoulder on a EFI/grub install ?
[05:01] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: are you there. If that last command 'ie install --reinstall' ...  worked then is that it ? nothing more to do ? just reboot ?
[05:03] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Wont hurt to try it and see .. but that error I have my doubts . Sure good thought to try it .
[05:07] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I thought it worked coz it went throught without error. but seems it didn't . did I have to unmount or something before shutdown ?
[05:08] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: We should have ,, Yes . but the system " should have" taken care of it's self .
[05:09] <Vivekananda> Here is the output ( look at the second half of it) -- https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/014db5c12ed7a5bc20d8d276750aaa81
[05:13] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: does look like grub installed,  but "  450 not upgraded. " is unreal ! what now results when booting from that 2nd hard drive ?
[05:16] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: btw I started this whole double booting only coz the hard drive is (probably) dying or windows went corrupt but I haven't deleted windows partition just cleared out another partition to install ubuntu. So whenever reboot it is superslow coz it tries booting into windows and windows just loads in 8 - 10 mins or even more :(
[05:16] <Vivekananda> if grub was fixed I was hoping to load ubuntu and that would tell me if it was really the disk dying or a windows issue
[05:17] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: I am asking smarter people than I on EFI if ext3 could also be an issue .
[05:18] <Vivekananda> ah hmmm
[05:18] <Tin_man> if your just wanting to access the hard disk, a live boot of ubuntu should do. Can you boot a live ubuntu?
[05:19] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: in the meantime why were we installing grub on the '/mnt/root' drive? I thought grub needed be installed on the  /mnt/EFI drive right ?
[05:20] <Vivekananda> Tin_man: did you mean me ? If so yeah I have been giving a headache to Bashing-om this while , while using live ubuntu itself!  :)
[05:21] <Tin_man> yes, i was speaking to you. but it sounds like your in good hands.
[05:22] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: there are 3 stages to grub's booting . 1st satges in drive boot sector AND /EFI partition. the rest are the config files in the root partition , in your case root is sdb7 . ( remember we checked to make sure those files were there ) .
[05:24] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: given what you said is grub to be installed in sdb7 or should it be installed in the drive bootsector ?
[05:26] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: to the boot sector ( device sdb ) would you like to read the book on linux boot process ? An hour or so to go through the tutorial .
[05:29] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: bios hands of to a known location ( boot sector ) and this points to /EFI, once grub gets to this point it loads the files from /boot/grub/grub.cfg .. these are built from other scroipts, hooks and ladders within the system . then finally grub hands off to the initial ram file system that thjen starts the operating system and finally the initramfs jands off to the system on the hard drive .
[05:32] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Looks kike help is nopt forth comming . may as well reboot and see what results . If you are able to boot into the install . asap ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[05:49] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Hey !! what release are you installing ?.. checking and the grub that is installed is way out of date !
[05:53] <Vivekananda> 14 lts
[05:53] <Vivekananda> that is the one I have on th e yumi multiboot usb
[05:54] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: :) that will do .. was comparing to release 16.04 . trusty (14.04) will have support 'til 2019 :)
[05:58] <Vivekananda> pretty sleepy too
[05:59] <Vivekananda> I am trying a reinstall of the whole thing using the usb drive
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: K .. when asked where to install grub .. it is sdb ,, install to the device not to a partition .
[06:09] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: hi
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> morning Eric
[06:15] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> Vivekananda needs your help eric
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> Vivekananda: explain your efi issue again plz
[06:17] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Hey :) .. reinstalling the OS at this tine . but question : grub/EFI compatible with ext3 as in 3 file system ?
[06:18] <alkisg> EFI reads grub.efi from the fat partition, then grub can read anything...
[06:20] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah, why ext3 not though?
[06:22] <Vivekananda> I reinstalled choosing the disk this time yet no luck. tried chaging to pure efi  in the bios but no grub menu. Will change it back to 'legacy support' mode with boot from uefi first .
[06:23] <Vivekananda> restart again to see. if it works. pretty sleepy too :( . computer is a lenovo y510p
[06:23] <JakeMakesStuff> Vivekananda, if you still have no luck, try PLOP bootloader.
[06:23] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: " Bashing-om: I couldn't agree more with you but the only reason I chose ext3 is coz cannot write from windows ot ext4 and will SURELY need that writing ability " . I tried .
[06:26] <Vivekananda> JakeMakesStuff: but where do I try it from ? btw I am getting a black screen right after the lenovo id . could it be that it is working and I have to give the no modeset or something . I see just a pointer and a black screen so wonder if it could be the grub loading?
[06:26] <Sterist> I'm having issues with gparted taking or altering ownership of partitions it works with... not quite sure how to diagnose this issue other than gparted is involved
[06:27] <Sterist> found some similar reports on google but nothing particularly useful
[06:27] <JakeMakesStuff> Vivekananda, oh, thats different to what I am used to
[06:29] <Vivekananda> nvm . the black screen was temp and booted again into windows :(. So no grub still. back to square one other than the fact thta ubuntu Is on disk but cannot boot into it !
[06:30] <Vivekananda> only option is live disk now. windows was already kaput in the dual os I was trying to get working.
[06:30] <Vivekananda> waiting for any suggestions by anyoe
[06:30] <Cooler> how do you get the window to minimize when you click its icon in the taskbar on ubuntu?
[06:34] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Installation . What mode did you install ubuntu in ?
[06:35] <vlt> Cooler: Works for me (using MATE desktop environment).
[06:35] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: I don't think I used the uefi mode or anything. I just booted into a multiboot usb and installed it regularly on the hard drive just giving it partition locations using the gui
[06:37] <vlt> Sterist: There’s such a thing as a partition ownership? How do you notice the change of ownership?
[06:38] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Got to match the mode that Windows is installed . EFI and legacy are not compatible . Now as to how to determine the mode that ubuntu is installed in from the liveUSB - I do not know how to tell .
[06:40] <Bashing-om> EriC^: IRT Vivekananda - how cn we see if ubuntu is installed in EFI mode ?
[06:40] <EriC^> Bashing-om: see /etc/fstab for if /boot/efi is there
[06:41] <Bashing-om> EriC^: :)
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> see if sudo efivar -l spits out a list or errors perhaps? efi vars should be inaccessable in legacy boot mode
[06:44] <Sterist> vlt, if I create a NTFS partition with gparted, right click the new partition and click properties, it says owner: root (create/remove) and the other two sections are access only
[06:44] <Bashing-om> Vivekananda: Boot the liveUSB and let's have a gander ^ . ' sudo mkdir /mnt/looksee  sudo mount /dev/sdb7 /mnt/looksee/ ; cat /mnt/looksee/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[06:45] <Sterist> if I create the NTFS with windows, then boot to ubuntu and look in the same menu, it says owner: Me and all 3 sections are create/remove
[06:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Sterist: sounds like the gparted one has unix permissions enabled. you can override that with a mount option or ntfs user mapping if it uses ntfs3g
[06:47] <Sterist> if I resize a FAT32 partition with gparted, owner is still Me, with create/remove, but other two change to Access Only, and in windows it'll no longer recognize the FAT32 partition
[06:47] <Sterist> however, Ubuntu will happy work with the newly resized partition
[06:48] <Sterist> happily
[06:48] <Vivekananda> Bashing-om: ok will do in a min. letting the comp cool a little :)
[06:48] <Sterist> triffed, that may need to be translated to noob language ':)
[06:53] <alkisg> Vivekananda: do you have an .efi based usb stick? If so, you can easily boot only grub from the stick, and then type `set root=(hd0,gpt3); configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg` from grub, and boot into your real ubuntu box, from where you can then easily reinstall grub etc
[06:56] <Vivekananda> alkisg: I don't but I have an empty usb and a ubntu comp (the one I am using). Thinking that I can get 16 lts on it and try that. But before I do that a question.  I was trying to create a multiboot disk esp with hbcd as part of it. I used yumi but didn't realize that if  windows went down I couldn't ADD isos to it using linux.  please suggest a good multiboot soft that has both windows and linux presence
[06:57] <alkisg> Vivekananda: didn't you have a usb stick that you installed ubuntu from? That would have grub+efi, if you installed in efi mode.
[06:57] <alkisg> Vivekananda: just install windows first, ubuntu second; No need for special software nor special usb stick.
[06:58] <alkisg> The ubuntu cd does the right thing.
[06:58] <Sterist> vive, I had the that same problem when I got this laptop. I gave up trying to get grub to work but never removed it from the hard drive. then one day I bought a SSD hard drive, used Macrium to clone the old drive onto the new one and BOOM grub was working.
[06:58] <Sterist> very bizarre.
[07:00] <Vivekananda> alkisg: the situation is likethis. have windows 8.1 comp but seems EITHER windows or my disk is dying. so I am trying to make it dual boot so if linux loads fine then it is windows that is corrupt ELSE it is the disk. I don't want to delete windows yet coz haven't saved the serieal nos etc of it. No money to spend on new disks or new window serials
[07:00] <Sterist> a potential (unorthodox) fix could be to replicate what I did. if you have another computer or hard drive to work with, create an exact clone image of your hard drive, then just restore it.
[07:01] <Sterist> using Macrium
[07:01] <Sterist> logically, this should have no effect. but it worked for me on accident lol
[07:02] <Vivekananda> Sterist: I have another issue. For some reason windows made 10 or more partitions and lot of them are marked recovery but for the life of me cannot understand why there are so many
[07:02] <Vivekananda> also I could have formatted the disk but don't want to lose all those recovery until I know what they are
[07:02] <Sterist> are you sure it's not like... 250+ partitions?
[07:03] <Sterist> giving out of memory errors
[07:06] <Sterist> I don't have a lot of time. I would like to help if I can but communication is key
[07:07] <Vivekananda> ok going back to do it stepwise. so first off going to do what Bashing-om asked ie to boot in live and check if et/fstab anything efi related
[07:26] <madmangun> http://abc7.com/las-vegas-police-responding-to-mass-shooting-report-at-mandalay-bay/2477628/
[07:27] <alkisg> Vivekananda: are you on a live cd now? What's the output of `sudo gparted -l | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
[07:29] <Vivekananda> one sec
[07:29] <Vivekananda> yeah am on live cd
[07:35] <alkisg> Vivekananda: I'll go afk in a couple of minutes, so if you could upload it soon, I could help...
[07:35] <Vivekananda> https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/ff637be79c5220a0dd913e8819631cb4
[07:36] <Vivekananda> alkisg: there
[07:37] <alkisg> Vivekananda: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt; ls -lhaR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:38] <Bashing-om> alkisg: Vivekananda old parted : https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/1e38ae242f2b2cd7a984a231db400eb6 .
[07:39] <madmangun> Live feed *shooting http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038/web
[07:39] <Vivekananda> alkisg:  sda2 doesn't exist
[07:39] <alkisg> Bashing-om: nice, although grub-install won't work in uefi
[07:39] <alkisg> Vivekananda: sorry, sdb2
[07:40] <alkisg> sda is your boot stick
[07:41] <Vivekananda> alkisg: check gist again . updated it
[07:42] <alkisg> Vivekananda: so, the situation is:
[07:42] <alkisg> You used a bad usb stick that doesn't support uefi
[07:42] <alkisg> That means Ubuntu couldn't install itself properly
[07:42] <alkisg> (you don't have an Ubuntu folder in your efi partition)
[07:43] <Vivekananda> alkisg: I am going to create a fresh usb stick with 16
[07:43] <alkisg> Now you could install it in GPT without UEFI, but that would be incompatible with Windows
[07:43] <alkisg> Vivekananda: yes, but don't use the software you used
[07:43] <Vivekananda> is 16 stable or should I go with 14 ?
[07:43] <alkisg> Use the one recommended in the ubuntu download site
[07:43] <alkisg> 16.04 is stable
[07:44] <Vivekananda> I don't want surprises please. not interested in testing in my main machine. I can go with 14 no issues
[07:44] <alkisg> Go with 16.04
[07:44] <Vivekananda> well ok .
[07:44] <alkisg> And use the recommended software to create the stick
[07:44] <alkisg> Don't google for "multiboot stick"... :)
[07:44] <Vivekananda> Also to make a uefi  stick I cannot have multiboot. I will need to use my whole 32 gb stick for just ubuntu :( . A waste
[07:44] <alkisg> Vivekananda: when you launch the usb stick, select "test ubuntu", and open a terminal
[07:45] <alkisg> Vivekananda: from that terminal, run: ls /sys/firmware/efi
[07:45] <Vivekananda> ok then ?
[07:45] <alkisg> If you see a directory there, only then do the installation
[07:45] <Vivekananda> ok let me check the current usb too
[07:45] <alkisg> If you don't see it, you'll end up with the same problem, i.e. you won't install in uefi mode
[07:46] <Vivekananda> ok current stick has only two folders in firmware but no efi folder
[07:46] <Vivekananda> hmmm
[07:46] <alkisg> Yes, that's the issue
[07:46] <Vivekananda> can you link me to software for making stick ?
[07:46] <alkisg> You're trying to install in uefi pc with a stick that doesn't support uefi
[07:46] <Vivekananda> the uefi stick I mean
[07:46] <alkisg> It's in the ubuntu download site
[07:46] <alkisg> It depends on your OS
[07:47] <alkisg> Are you going to create the stick from ubuntu or from windows?
[07:48] <Vivekananda> I have my back up comp (this one) which is very old but using ubuntu  ...
[07:48] <alkisg> The easiest method is to just copy the image to the stick using a program called "dd"
[07:48] <Vivekananda> how do I check uubntu version
[07:48] <alkisg> You can do it from your current live usb stick too, if you have a second one to write the image to
[07:48] <alkisg> cat /etc/os-release tells you the version, but it doesn't matter if you use dd
[07:49] <alkisg> dd is just a copy, and the image runs fine then and it supports uefi
[07:49] <Vivekananda> ah ok it is 12 precise in this
[07:49] <alkisg> https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[07:49] <alkisg> Something like the first answer there
[07:50] <Vivekananda> so no way of making a usb whih has multiple isos but all uefi ?
[07:50] <alkisg> I'm sure there are tools that do that
[07:51] <alkisg> But I'm using a plain grub script for multiboot, so I can't recommend any
[07:51] <alkisg> Maybe your tool already supports it and you just didn't select the uefi support in its menus
[07:51] <Vivekananda> I used Yumi to create my disk
[07:52] <Vivekananda> that was also a recommended one
[07:52] <Vivekananda> but nvm
[07:52] <Vivekananda> right now let me try making the usb aain
[07:53] <alkisg> Vivekananda: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0 says the recommended one is rufus
[07:53] <alkisg> Not Yumi
[07:53] <Vivekananda> yeah but I hve this stick for > 1.5 yrs
[07:53] <alkisg> I think they recommended rufus for 4-5 years at least
[07:54] <Vivekananda> ah is it . my bad then
[07:54] <Vivekananda> btw is rufus also for linux. Also does rufus allow for uefi isos
[07:54] <alkisg> Read the link I just posted
[07:54] <alkisg> create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[07:54] <alkisg> It can't be more clear than that :)
[07:54] <alkisg> Yes it supports uefi
[07:55] <alkisg> The last yumi beta says it has uefi support, but your stick isn't formatted, so I believe you'd need to reformat it so that it has at least one fat partition for uefi support. So you might as well stop using yumi.
[07:55] <Vivekananda> hmm ok. for the moment I am downlaoding16 and want a tutorial tomake uefi out of it
[07:56] <alkisg> See the last link I posted
[07:56] <alkisg> It's the one that they give you when you download ubuntu
[07:59] <Vivekananda> last link was for rufus
[07:59] <alkisg> Yes, use that.
[07:59]  * alkisg waves
[08:00] <Vivekananda> I mean I don't have windows working anywhere . backup machine is ubuntu and live cd also ubuntu
[08:00] <Vivekananda> but nvm I can find a link :)
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> Vivekananda: make you life easy and dump windows once and for good..
[08:03] <alkisg> Vivekananda: Then use the first link that I pasted
[08:03] <alkisg> Anyway, any method that isn't yumi should work :)
[08:03] <alkisg> Check the /sys/firmware/efi folder before installing
[08:04] <Vivekananda> yep alkisg will do.
[08:05] <Vivekananda> lotuspsychje: yeah I already never liked windows but cannot play games on linux plus don't have things like word etc. if not for those two things would have already dumped it
[08:05] <Vivekananda> also it came preinstalled so ..
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> Vivekananda: libreoffice & steam
[08:06] <Vivekananda> yeah liberoffice is still very limited
[08:07] <Vivekananda> also steam is there but not any of the others eg gog or uplay or similar
[08:11] <Vivekananda> alkisg: still here ?
[08:12] <alkisg> yes
[08:12] <Vivekananda> I got the iso , mounted it with disk mounter and the copied via gui. during copy at one place -- there was an error copying ....  Filesystem does not support symbolic links :(
[08:13] <alkisg> Vivekananda: omg follow the link
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:13] <alkisg> :)
[08:13] <crazycoder> hello everybody
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> crazycoder: welcome
[08:13] <alkisg> Vivekananda: there's no way to make it bootable as you're trying now, it'll be broken
[08:13]  * alkisg waves for real now :)
[08:13] <crazycoder> anyone know a good softawre to edit PDFs ?
[08:13] <crazycoder> hi lotuspsychje
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> !pdf | crazycoder
[08:14] <Vivekananda> I was following the link itself --  https://askubuntu.com/questions/395879/how-to-create-uefi-only-bootable-usb-live-media/     . Used the  'exaple via gui' method
[08:15] <crazycoder> lotuspsychje, yeah, but i need to edit an existent pdf
[08:15] <Triffid_Hunter> crazycoder: libreoffice can do that
[08:15] <alkisg> Vivekananda: compare with my link: (10:49:30 πμ) alkisg: https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[08:15] <alkisg> I don't know what else to tell you :)
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> crazycoder: inkscape for ubuntu
[08:16] <Vivekananda> np I will have it ready and try
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Vivekananda have a good read
[08:16] <crazycoder> lotuspsychje, i will install it thanks!
[08:40] <geodb27> People : hi ! What tools can I use to add/update/delete user accounts that are stored in a ldap ? The nss is configured and works perfectly, but I gather that using ApacheDirectoryStudio or ldapadd is not the prefered way to do so ?
[08:42] <Vivekananda> so for some reason the copying is not going as expected. Tried two methods
[08:42] <Vivekananda> but let me again look at what was paseted and try that
[09:44] <cart_man> Hi everyone.. I am trying to install FFMPEG from .deb packages only ! BUT I cannot see to find and install any of the libavcodec-ffmpeg packages
[09:45] <cart_man> I get told that its missing libavcodec-ffmpeg56 but when I try and install it it just says it does not exist ...
[09:46] <cart_man> So then later on I see that Ubuntu16 has libavcodec-ffmpeg57 now but that can not install either ... tried -> " sudo apt-get install libavcodec-extra57 libavformat57 libvutil55 "  : Unable to locate packages
[09:50] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu
[09:50] <cart_man> Desktop
[09:51] <Ben64> version number
[09:52] <cart_man> 4.4.0-31-generic
[09:54] <SimonNL> cart_man: topic shows the version you should have told
[09:55] <cart_man> 16.04 ......
[09:55] <SimonNL> to late
[10:00] <cart_man> So if I say version 16 that counts for nothing? in the question it states that I am using Ubuntu 16 -.-
[10:00] <cart_man> SimonNL : ^^
[10:01] <cart_man> But aahhh well pedantic IRC version auhtentication police got me
[10:03] <SimonNL> cart_man: sorry I'm a mint user normally I only 0_0 in here.
[10:15] <FMatthews_> Hello people
[10:15] <FMatthews_> This place is my last resort for help with Ubuntu and Flash
[10:16] <FMatthews_> I've been scratching my head for two days trying to fix this to no avail
[10:16] <FMatthews_> I'm running 16.04
[10:16] <FMatthews_> Is flash supposed to be that laggy on Ubuntu?
[10:17] <FMatthews_> I can not run a single flash game decently on Chromium and Firefox
[10:17] <FMatthews_> I installed from the official repos
[10:18] <FMatthews_> I thought it was a driver issue, but I upgraded everything from Oibaf's PPA and I don't see a single difference
[10:18] <FMatthews_> Hardware acceleration is on on Chromium
[10:18] <FMatthews_> So i know this is not the issue
[10:19] <FMatthews_> I have no idea what to do
[10:25] <Triffid_Hunter> FMatthews_: adobe stopped developing flash for linux several years ago, you might want to try some of the open source implementations which may work better and hopefully have smaller attack vectors for malware
[10:25] <FMatthews_> I thought they started supporting it again
[10:26] <FMatthews_> Since I installed from the official repos and I seem to have the latest version
[10:27] <Triffid_Hunter> FMatthews_: adobe is dropping flash for windows too
[10:35] <hateball> It is supported again, it's just still rather terrible
[11:02] <tomeaton17_> I am trying to install re install ubuntu 17.04. I cleared partition containing ubuntu and it messed up grub. Now when trying to install I am told 0B left of computer storage. How do I get ubuntu to recognize my storage?
[11:04] <EriC^^> tomeaton17_: pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l" from the live usb
[11:08] <tomeaton17_> What is the default login for tty1
[11:09] <tomeaton17_> When booting into live I couldn't open any apps.
[11:10] <EriC^^> tomeaton17_: user ubuntu with a blank password
[11:11] <tomeaton17_> EriC^^ All I could get https://i.imgur.com/e4LqYHg.jpg
[11:12] <EriC^^> tomeaton17_: do you have another usb? looks like its dying
[11:13] <tomeaton17_> I can't get in, SQUASHFS error
[11:17] <tomeaton17__> I think there is an empty bios/grub option how do I get rid of it
[11:23] <tomeaton17__> Is there any other options to display this data?
[12:55] <tomeaton17_> I have a left over boot option for ubuntu in my bios, how can I get rid of it?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:57] <EriC^^> tomeaton17_: efibootmgr -v get the entry then do efibootmgr -B -b <number here>
[12:57] <EriC^^> *sudo efi..
[12:58] <tomeaton17_> EriC^^: Is there anyway to do this not on a linux system, problem is squashfs doesn't like the drive for some reason so I am trying to remove all traces of ubuntu first before reinstalling
[12:59] <EriC^^> tomeaton17_: yeah windows can do it i believe, i dont think that's your problem, no idea about it
[13:08] <yasonTR> Hi, is there a way to clear the scroll history in the terminal? The command 'clear' clears the window, but you can scroll through history with wheel-up, for example.
[13:09] <yasonTR> So I want the behavior of creating a new tab ... without creating a new tab :)
[13:11] <akik> yasonTR: cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history && history -c
[13:13] <tomeaton17_>  I am getting blk_update_request i/o errors does anyone know how to fix this?
[13:13] <yasonTR> akik: thanks ... this clears the command history if I am correct, I just want the window to be cleared.
[13:14] <akik> yasonTR: clear ?
[13:14] <alkisg> yasonTR: tput reset
[13:15] <yasonTR> tput reset works! great
[13:15] <yasonTR> thanks a lot alkisg
[13:15] <alkisg> νπ
[13:15] <alkisg> np
[13:15] <yasonTR> akik: 'clear' clears the window, but you can still go up with mouse-wheel-up
[13:15] <wook_> do any of your guys have any experience trying to play music files from a shared drive? i have some drives shared via samba and in VLC or audacious they have problems, VLC doesn't play them at all, and audacious only plays them if i add the files from inside the directory, not by adding the directory itself. i tried running winamp via WINE, but then it does the same thing that VLC does even if i add the files from inside the directory...
[13:16] <wook_> i have ~2TB of music i'd like to be able to add to a single large playlist to have access to all of them at the same time like i can do with VLC but VLC doesn't like files from shared drives so i'm looking for any suggestions
[13:19] <akik> wook_: what kind of problem do you have with a shared samba drive? i just tested "vlc *flac" and it works
[13:19] <wook_> i have like a 1000 directories so i'm not interested in using audacious, even if it does play files i'd have to add all the files one directory at a time instead of just selecting a whole drive full of music and
[13:19] <wook_> VLC won't play the files if i add them from the samba drive
[13:19] <wook_> running ubuntu studio 14.04
[13:20] <akik> wook_: this works too "vlc Tony\ MacAlpine\ -\ */*"
[13:20] <wook_> and like i said audacious will play them but only if i add files from inside the directory, not adding the directories
[13:20] <alkisg> Run `mount | grep gvfs`, you'll see a folder. Inside that folder you should see the samba drive but now as a directory, which vlc should now like.
[13:20] <wook_> ohhhh
[13:20] <wook_> that does sound interesting
[13:20] <wook_> :D
[13:21] <wook_> so mount the directories as a drive
[13:21] <wook_> i know i can do that in windows but didn't know how to do that in ubuntu
[13:22] <wook_> so i ran that command that u said and got this back: "gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=adam)"
[13:22] <wook_> what would i do from there?
[13:25] <wook_> i'm googling some of the things that u mentioned, would i also be able to run something like this?: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=raghu //<IP_ADDRESS>/sharename /media/Data/"
[14:11] <EriC^^> ux
[14:17] <nzoueidi> the package glibc 2.15-0ubuntu10.18 is vulnerable to the ghost bug?
[14:23] <FManTX> was there some kind of YouTube downloader program available on Ubuntu?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> FManTX, youtubedl
[14:23] <nzoueidi> Youtube-dl a good tool :)
[14:24] <FManTX> lol at the description of youtube-dl
[14:24] <FManTX> I have used keepvid.com on Windows (it needs Java)
[14:25] <tomeaton17_> Trying to add the graphics drivers ppa but am getting this error '~graphics-drivers' user or team does not exist
[14:28] <tomeaton17_> It was because I am not connected to the wifi. How do I connect to the wifi without logging in? It freezes if I log in
[14:28] <nzoueidi> tomeaton17_: did you tried to connect from the console (ctrl alt f1)
[14:29] <tomeaton17_> nzoueidi: I dont know the commands for that
[14:30] <nzoueidi> you need to be sure that you can capture the wifi by this command : iwlist scan | grep -i SSID, if you can see your wifi, just add it using the nmcli tool.
[14:31] <tomeaton17_> Yeah just did it with nmcli. Thanks
[14:31] <nzoueidi> Great :) or just using the nmtui; much easier.
[14:32] <wook_> i love youtube-dl, when it works
[14:32] <wook_> u have to keep it updated though, it's really anal about that
[14:34] <adrian_1908> Anyone here got experience with eCryptfs? I was wondering if it there's a setting for shorted encrypted filesnames. By default they're really long and with a ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED prefix.
[14:34] <adrian_1908> *for shorter
[14:42] <canadaOK> i got a silly question.   let's say i've identified a package that I want to look for in the repos
[14:43] <canadaOK> https://github.com/OpenVPN/easy-rsa <-- that one
[14:43] <canadaOK> how do i determine if this is easy-rsa, easy-rsa2, easy-rsa3
[14:46] <adrian_1908> canadaOK: If you mean how to see which version the package is, you can type `apt-cache show easy-rsa`. On my system that gives me 2.2.2
[14:48] <pavlos> wook_: did you resolve the vnc and vino-server issue from a few days ago?
[14:58] <canadaOK> thanks adamg
[14:58] <canadaOK> adrian_1908
[14:58] <canadaOK> where would i find easyrsa 3 in the repos?
[14:58] <canadaOK> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/EasyRSA3-OpenVPN-Howto
[15:01] <adrian_1908> canadaOK: It's not in the repos and there seem to be no PPA or Snap, so if you need version 3, your only option is to build it yourself.
[15:02] <baconology> fair enough
[15:02] <baconology> i dont 'need' it, it just seems recommended by openvpn
[15:02] <baconology> i wonder if i lose the ability to keep that software up to date with apt
[15:02] <baconology> if i install it myself
[15:03] <eterno> yeah faier enought ok
[15:03] <baconology> like if there is a bug, i need to remember to watch for it if i don't use a package manager, yes?
[15:03] <eterno> indeed
[15:03] <adrian_1908> Yes, you'd lose that ability and need to check yourself periodically.
[15:03] <baconology> frustrating
[15:04] <baconology> how do i reach out to the easy-rsa owner of the package?
[15:04] <baconology> or how would i find out who that is
[15:04] <adrian_1908> Older versions don't have to be bad, they're likely still secure, just with an older API. So if 2.2.2 woud work for you, simply use that.
[15:04] <bazhang> baconology, is that for snappy
[15:05] <baconology> openvpn
[15:05] <baconology> how do i identify a repo owner so i can email them
[15:05] <baconology> ?
[15:06] <baconology> found this: https://packages.debian.org/stable/easy-rsa
[15:07] <baconology> found him, alberto
[15:07] <baconology> thanks all
[15:13] <xentity1x> Hi can anyone help me figure out the command for forwarding port 8000 to 30080
[15:13] <xentity1x> I've tried iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 8080
[15:13] <xentity1x> but that doesn't work
[15:16] <blacknred0> what's the best way to backup (somewhat incremental) your system? I found this https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Incremental-Dumps.html , but doesn't seem to do what i hope it would
[15:18] <pavlos> xentity1x: the destination should be --to-port 8080
[15:18] <blacknred0> maybe my question is... after i create the level 0, then do i always replace the level 1 backups? or do i need to create various level 1?
[15:19] <was172> level backups base on level0
[15:21] <pavlos> xentity1x: https://glassonionblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/tomcat-redirecting-traffic-from-port-8080-to-80-using-iptables/
[15:21] <blacknred0> was172: is there something or some tool that i could look at a tar (file for example) and only check for changes (adds/delete/updates)?
[15:23] <blacknred0> base on my understanding is that the files will only grow larger with this method.... for example, if I create a backup on level 0, and then delete 10gb, then next incremental backup will not include this 10gb, but it will still be on my first level 0 backup
[15:25] <was172> hello
[15:27] <frostschutz> blacknred0, dar, borg, or just filesystem based cow...?
[15:30] <blacknred0> frostschutz: i'll check those out... mainly backing up ext4 fs
[15:30] <pavlos> blacknred0: tar -t will list contents of archive, tar -d will show differences between archive and file system (man tar)
[15:31] <blacknred0> pavlos: yep, i get that, but i'm looking for a solution that once i backup my system, the next backup will only update adds/remove/modified files and dirs
[15:31] <blacknred0> instead of doing the whole thing again
[15:42] <pavlos> blacknred0: maybe rsync, https://www.electrictoolbox.com/rsync-ignore-existing-update-newer/
[15:45] <jayjo> I have a gif that I'd like to replace a specific color in every frame of the gif. Can this be done with gimp, imagemagick, or some other readily available tool on ubuntu?
[15:46] <blacknred0> pavlos: hhhhmmmmm... i have to think about this, since i also want to compress everything into one file
[15:54] <pavlos> blacknred0: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25541/updating-tar-gz-daily-only-with-changed-files
[15:55] <blacknred0> pavlos: thanks! let me play with this to see if it does what i expect it to do :)
[15:55] <blacknred0> i also found this -> https://www.duplicati.com , which it might be cli as well
[16:03] <Vivekananda> Finally got things to work. Thanks pl.  Why isn't gparted part of standard 16 install though ? Also what should I do immediately after instaling 16? Any script etc for a collection of software esp things like emacs, eclipse, virtualbox , gparted etc ?
[16:10] <tgm4883> Vivekananda: because gparted isn't necessary for most users?
[16:11] <Vivekananda> did you mean they had a better app for it now or that parted cli works for most ?
[16:11] <tgm4883> Vivekananda: most users don't need to partition stuff after installation
[16:11] <tgm4883> Vivekananda: and there's gnome disks
[16:15] <Vivekananda> disks just tells you the health right ? not mount points , flags, labels etc or does it.  Also if it doesn't that gparted is needed to see these things plus install if a new hard drive is to be replaced (my present state) .
[16:17] <Vivekananda> Btw any chance you could recommend a cheap but reliable (of the choices) 700gb - 1tb hard drive ? hopefully inside $50.
[16:19] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: everyone is different with their environment, needs and preferences for applications and settings. application-X isn't installed by default because that is the decision the release team made for that particular application
[16:19] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: as for your hard drive choice, there's plenty of brick and mortar as well as online stores to choose from. This is beyond the scope of this Ubuntu support channel.
[16:20] <Vivekananda> leftyfb: I understand. could I request a pm for some of those good online stores please.
[16:21] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: amazon.com
[16:21] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: that is my personal recommendation. But again, this is beyond the scope of this channel.
[16:22] <Vivekananda> leftyfb: I had other questions about ubuntu itself though. I have my backup computer running 12 and have apps installed and set up in my way. Was there a way I could have installed the same apps in 16 ? Also in case there IS such a way whathappens to apps which are discontinued eg  xchat ( theclient I am using now). ?
[16:22] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: they don't get installed
[16:23] <leftyfb> Vivekananda: apt list --installed | cut -f 1 -d '/'
[16:23] <leftyfb> that will get you a list of installed applications
[16:23] <Vivekananda> ah ok .
[16:23] <leftyfb> you'll have to pick through it o grab the ones you want to install on your other machine
[16:36] <wook_> pavlos: no i haven't yet, but i've been lazy and haven't done anything with it since the other day yet :)
[16:36] <wook_> but i probrobly will today
[16:42] <Seveas> Vivekananda: xchat lives on as hexchat :)
[16:46] <Moe_A> Hello, I've updated ubuntu from 16.04 to 17.04, then my terminal colors were screwed. I have tmux with gray background but now it has black background and only text has gray background and it gets fixed when I use mousewheel up or down, also the menu text (file, edit, etc) are so close to each other as if they were one word. What could be the issue there?
[16:51] <baconology> drivers?
[16:52] <Moe_A> Should I reinstall nvidia drivers?
[16:54] <Moe_A> I also noticed lots of GTK-Warnings about deprecated stuff when I run any software, is that from my GDE3?
[17:02] <Cooler> how do you disable the guest account?
[17:11] <Unimatrix9> hello there
[17:11] <n-iCe> I installed Ubuntu minimal and used this to connect to wifi e/n/i but dhclient is taking time, any idea?
[17:12] <n-iCe> https://photos.app.goo.gl/z8j9hc4OlFdQmFuz1 is not stopping
[17:12] <Unimatrix9> on my ubuntu 16.04  when trying to play mp4 with normal video player and restricted extra installed its starts muted sound and i dont have sound
[17:12] <Unimatrix9> any tips are welcome
[17:12] <n-iCe> Unimatrix9 try vlc
[17:13] <Unimatrix9> well it does work with mplayer, i just dont understand why not with default video player
[17:13] <Unimatrix9> its more the "why" wich interests me
[17:16] <skinux> I installed a few days ago and I've been having problems with really bad lag, with these softwares running https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/104870ed9a7cb41a2b24c387f581d9ee
[17:27] <Unimatrix9> hmm, i will have to do it with mpv player, but thats okey
[18:06] <skinux> Can anyone help me track down why my system gets so laggy?
[18:07] <cristian_c> you could tell you machine specs to this channel
[18:07] <skinux> 4G RAM
[18:07] <skinux> HP 15, hp-wm387fm
[18:07] <skinux> hp 15-f387wm I mean
[18:07] <cristian_c> 'machine specs'
[18:07] <skinux> Which ones then?
[18:07] <cristian_c> cpu, gpu
[18:08] <skinux> 2.5G Quad I believe, GPU i don't know
[18:08] <cristian_c> and what desktop you use
[18:08] <skinux> Cinnomon
[18:08] <cristian_c> skinux: try to get the specs
[18:08] <skinux> Have a command I can call for GPU specs?
[18:09] <cristian_c> lshw -C video
[18:09] <cristian_c> and lshw -C cpu
[18:09] <cristian_c> !paste | skinux
[18:11] <oerheks> skinux, you pasted a lot of services, and plugins, disable them to find out
[18:11] <oerheks> and "lag" is so wide, what lag exactly?
[18:29] <konrados> Hi. How do I know what will be upgraded, but without actually installing anything, if I'll do apt-get upgrade?
[18:29] <konrados> *how do I find out
[18:30] <nacc> konrados: i believe by default apt-get prompts you; but you can also use -s / --dry-run
[18:30] <oerheks> konrados, you could do a dry run, to see what is updated, and how much space it takes
[18:30] <oerheks> nacc ^
[18:31] <konrados> nacc, oerheks - thank you! But to be sure - $ apt-get --dry-run upgrade
[18:31] <konrados> ?
[18:32] <nacc> konrados: yes
[18:32] <nacc> (or apt-get -s upgrade)
[18:32] <konrados> or $ apt-get upgrade --dry-run
[18:32] <konrados> I never know :(
[18:33] <konrados> test
[18:33] <nacc> konrados: the order depends on the application, but in the case of apt-get, it doesn't matter
[18:33] <konrados> I got disconnected
[18:33] <konrados> nacc, - ok, thank you!
[18:39] <soc> hi, can someone help me with an environment variable issue?
[18:39] <soc> some application sets XAUTHORITY, I believe it is lightdm, and it seems I can't override it
[18:39] <soc> setting it in .profile is too late, and in .pam_environment it just gets overridden
[18:39] <soc> any ideas where this setting is made/where it can be changed?
[18:41] <oerheks> soc, override Xauthority? can you explain why please?
[18:42] <akik> soc: you can manage it with xauth command
[18:50] <soc> oerheks: I want to get it moved to a more appropriate directory
[18:50] <soc> oerheks: setting ICEAUTHORITY DEFAULT=${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/ICEauthority in .pam_environment works for .ICEauthority
[18:51] <soc> akik: do you know where xauth can be configured?
[18:51] <soc> I grepped through the whole /etc and I couldn't dinf a setting
[18:53] <soc> everything works for setting ICEAUTHORITY in .pam_environment, but doing them same for XAUTHORITY doesn'twork
[18:53] <soc> something later seems to overwrite the env var
[18:53] <alkisg> soc: you want to patch display manager source code?
[18:53] <soc> .xsession-errors contains the line dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/home/soc/.Xauthority
[18:54] <soc> alkisg: depends, I'd expect that there is _something_ setting the XAUTHORITY env var
[18:54] <soc> and I'm trying to figure out whhich application
[18:54] <alkisg> soc: probably lightdm, as it's the one responsible for starting X
[18:55] <alkisg> `apt source lightdm` and grep it
[18:56] <mortn> hi, good ppl.
[18:56] <alkisg> ./src/x-server-local.c:            path = g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), ".Xauthority", NULL);
[18:57] <soc> I downloaded lightdm and grepped it already
[18:57] <alkisg> soc: so you'll likely need to patch the source code, recompile, and do that for future display manager etc
[18:57] <soc> I only found places where it assumes that .Xauthority, but not where it sets the env var
[18:57] <mortn> anyone knows how to do quarter tiling (sending a gnome-terminal, for instance) to the top right corner?
[18:57] <mortn> in Ubuntu 17.10
[18:57] <mortn>  sorry for repeating my question from yesterday (had to bail before seeing any response)
[18:57] <alkisg> soc, it doesn't matter if .Xauthority is set or not if it's hardcoded
[18:58] <alkisg> You can unset it from the environment and it will still work
[18:58] <akik> soc: i've only used xauth manually to configure it
[18:58] <alkisg> You can't move it if it's hardcoded. Unless you copy the file elsewhere, of course, so that you have 2 files
[18:58] <soc> alkisg: yes, but that's a further step
[18:59] <soc> I first try to understand _what_ sets XAUTHORITY
[18:59] <soc> then stop it from doing it
[18:59] <soc> then write patches for applications which assume a hardcoded path
[19:01] <alkisg> ./src/seat-unity.c:        process_set_env (script, "XAUTHORITY", path);
[19:01] <alkisg> soc: ^
[19:02] <soc> I think that's only unity, I'm szuing xfce
[19:02] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | mortn
[19:03] <soc> alkisg: x-server-local.c:537-550 reads suspicious
[19:03] <alkisg> soc: grep the source, it has 5-6 different code paths there
[19:04] <alkisg> And also note that lightdm development has pretty much stopped...
[19:15] <BeansnRice> hey folks
[19:16] <n-iCe> hey
[19:18] <saml> how can I install a package where dependencies conflict?
[19:19] <saml> like, my ubuntu already has a package FOO.  I'm trying to install BAR which depends on FOO1  (different package name . but basically almost same as FOO with some patches applied to it)
[19:19] <nacc> saml: that does not generally happen for Ubuntu packages in supported releases. What is the package and conflict?
[19:19] <saml> since, FOO1 isn't built with Conflicts: FOO
[19:19] <saml> it's all custom package with custom app
[19:19] <nacc> saml: fix the packages
[19:20] <saml> nothing works since all people left.
[19:20] <saml> i mean, this jenkins job that supposedly build packages isn't working :(
[19:21] <nacc> saml: although if FOO1 does *not* conflict with FOO, then nwhat is the problem?
[19:21] <alkisg> saml: it shouldn't be very hard to unzip the packages, fix the dependencies, and run dpkg-buildpackage again with the correct dependencies...
[19:21] <alkisg> You don't even need to have the sources for that
[19:21] <nacc> saml: you can also make dpkg ignore just about anything, but the result can be rather broken.
[19:23] <saml> thanks let me try those
[19:27] <skinux> lag, in this case, means applications go really really slow, half the time I wonder if the computer froze when it gets laggy.
[19:28] <skinux> I believe 4G RAM is enough to run what I run. It should be, especially with use of a SWAP file.
[19:28] <skinux> I know there are not hard drive errors getting in the way because it's a brand new hard drive.
[19:28] <tgm4883> skinux: SWAP makes things really slow
[19:29] <ioria> skinux, if you have 4g and swap is in use, you got a problem
[19:29] <tgm4883> skinux: when things are slow, might be beneficial to see the output of 'free'
[19:29] <skinux> I don't know if swap is in use or not.
[19:29] <n-iCe> set swapiness to 10
[19:29] <n-iCe> skinux:
[19:29] <skinux> How do I set swappiness in Xenial?
[19:29] <ioria> skinux, free -m
[19:29] <skinux> SWAP shows 0 across the board
[19:30] <nacc> skinux: includig for "total"?
[19:30] <skinux> 3381 1709<PHONE_NUMBER> 1300 are the numbers for memory
[19:30] <tgm4883> skinux: is it slow now? Can you pastebin the output of the free command?
[19:30] <n-iCe> skinux:         echo 10 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[19:30] <n-iCe> then, sudo swapoff -a , then sudo swapon -a
[19:30] <n-iCe> and try
[19:31] <skinux> Permission denied for that command
[19:31] <n-iCe> dude, use sudo
[19:31] <skinux> That was with sudo
[19:31] <ioria> no echo with sudo :þ
[19:31] <tgm4883> That command won't work with sudo
[19:32] <n-iCe> talking about swap
[19:32] <tgm4883> IIRC, you need something like 'echo 10> sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/swappiness'
[19:32] <ioria> sudo bash -c "command" but don't do that
[19:32] <tgm4883> n-iCe: I'd still rather see if he's actually got a problem currently and what the memory usage currently is
[19:33] <n-iCe> skinux: sysctl vm.swappiness=10
[19:33] <skinux> Okay, it is set.
[19:34] <n-iCe> do the swapoff and swapon
[19:34] <skinux> I forget, it is the lower number the less swap use?
[19:34] <n-iCe> and see how the system responds
[19:34] <n-iCe> skinux: yes
[19:34] <skinux> So, perhaps the real problem was my system using too much SWAP and not enough RAM?
[19:35] <nacc> skinux: that's not how swap works
[19:35] <nacc> skinux: you also still haven't provided the free output?
[19:35] <n-iCe> skinux: try
[19:35] <skinux> Yes I did.
[19:35] <n-iCe> and tell results
[19:36] <nacc> skinux: in a pastebin?
[19:36] <skinux> I did tell the results of free -m
[19:36] <skinux> No, not in a paste bin, it was only one line
[19:36] <tgm4883> one line of it, hardly helpful
[19:36] <nacc> skinux: well, use a pastebin, as asked twice now by tgm4883 annd provide the complete output
[19:36] <nacc> skinux: if your 'swap' line before had 0s across all columns, you had no swap configured
[19:36] <skinux> It is on this gist https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/104870ed9a7cb41a2b24c387f581d9ee
[19:36] <nacc> skinux: so changing your swappiness was irrelevant
[19:37] <tgm4883> Glad you spent so much time dealing with swappiness, since you have no swap...
[19:37] <skinux> Well, I did not configure a SWAP partition because I was told Xenial uses a swap file automatically.
[19:37] <nacc> skinux: yeah, so you didn't have any swap
[19:37] <nacc> skinux: no, xenial does not
[19:37] <ioria> lol
[19:37] <tgm4883> nor do I see a memory issue
[19:37] <ioria> nope, 17.04
[19:38] <skinux> I have 16.04.3, but I have thought 4G should be enough.
[19:38] <tgm4883> skinux: it is
[19:38] <skinux> I could understand more if I were playing games, but I rarely do that.
[19:39] <skinux> And free -m gives values in MB right?
[19:39] <ioria> ts
[19:39] <nacc> skinux: mebibytes
[19:40] <skinux> MB = Megabytes
[19:40] <nacc> skinux: the you want --mega
[19:40] <nacc> skinux: presuming you understand the differnce between mebi and mega
[19:40] <tgm4883> irrelevant to this discussion
[19:40] <skinux> I've never heard of mebi
[19:40] <nacc> tgm4883: agreed
[19:40] <nacc> skinux: does the swap line still show only 0s?
[19:40] <skinux> Yes, swap line shows only 0s
[19:41] <nacc> skinux: then you still have no swap
[19:41] <ioria> skinux, let's show sudo parted -l
[19:41] <nacc> skinux: did you put the swapfile in /etc/fstab?
[19:41] <skinux> No, I was told Xenial does it automatically.
[19:41] <tgm4883> skinux: the difference is 1024 vs 1000, but it's irrelevant to this discussion because A) it's miniscule difference and B) You don't have a memory problem
[19:41] <nacc> skinux: and we told you that was wrong
[19:42] <skinux> Yeah, but I was just re-stating why I didn't do that.
[19:42] <skinux> I'm looking up how to configure a swap file
[19:42] <nacc> skinux: ok -- so you need to add it to fstab and then do the swapon agai
[19:42]  * tgm4883 sighs
[19:42] <cristian_c> hi
[19:42] <skinux> I do understand there is no memory issue.
[19:42] <cristian_c> and you've not told the hardware specs
[19:43] <skinux> Let me look up a command to get all the hardware specs
[19:43] <cristian_c> skinux: btw, i've already posted the commands
[19:44] <skinux> Is this enough? https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/104870ed9a7cb41a2b24c387f581d9ee#file-hardware-specs
[19:44] <cristian_c> you should know
[19:45] <skinux> Well, I think it is, but I don't know exactly what all specs you want.
[19:45] <cristian_c> skinux: btw, i've already posted the commands
[19:45] <cristian_c> chapter 2nd
[19:46] <skinux> I don't see them, not even with scrolling up.
[19:46] <ioria> skinux, mai i ask you what's your issue ?
[19:47] <cristian_c> 20:08] <skinux> Have a command I can call for GPU specs?
[19:47] <cristian_c> [20:09] <cristian_c> lshw -C video
[19:47] <cristian_c> [20:09] <cristian_c> and lshw -C cpu
[19:49] <skinux> Okay, here is everything https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/104870ed9a7cb41a2b24c387f581d9ee#file-hardware-specs
[19:51] <cristian_c> skinux: you're limited. I mewn: you can't load the os excessively
[19:52] <cristian_c> skinux: you also still have 1 gb free of ram
[19:53] <cristian_c> skinux: try to look at differences using xfce or lxde in place of cinnamon
[19:54] <skinux> Are you saying I don't have the system resources to use Cinnamon?
[19:54] <skinux> Because I was using it with a lesser system without the lag issue.
[19:55] <alkisg> When you see lag, run `top` to watch the CPU, and see if you have 100% CPU usage. And `free` to see if it's a mem issue. And `dmesg` to see if you have some conflict.
[19:55] <cristian_c> I don't know exactly, but it doesn't look like a performing hardware, but as susual, it depends on what you do with ypur pc
[19:55] <skinux> OKay
[19:55] <cristian_c> alkisg: I agree
[19:55] <leftyfb> skinux: I haven't been following completely, but have you tried installing a better video drive?
[19:55] <skinux> Nope.
[19:55] <cristian_c> 'videovdrive'?
[19:56] <leftyfb> drier*
[19:56] <leftyfb> er
[19:56] <leftyfb> driver*
[19:56] <cristian_c> I think gpu on mullins
[19:56] <leftyfb> skinux: what video chipset do you have?
[19:56] <cristian_c> I think gpu on mullins (r4) couldmuse only radeon drivers
[19:57] <cristian_c> *could use
[19:57] <skinux> A8-7410 ??
[19:57] <cristian_c> it's APU
[19:58] <stochastix> Ok, so I take it sshd is not installed and running in 17.04 by default?
[19:59] <stochastix> I take that is the case since I had to install it,  But before installing it I see that I have an sshd -D running?
[19:59] <stochastix> 165536    3985  0.0  0.1  65524  6312 ?        Ss   05:47   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd -D
[19:59] <leftyfb> stochastix: no, never has been
[20:00] <tgm4883> little reason to have it installed and running by default
[20:00] <cristian_c> skinux: if you have a ssd, you could also try to install ubuntu to it
[20:01] <stochastix> I take it thats why Ansible has their own images you can deploy of Ubuntu?
[20:01] <stochastix> One of the reasons anyways.
[20:02] <skinux> Either way, it's been stated it's not a memory issue. So, I'll have to try to figure it out when it happens again.
[20:02] <skinux> Thanks for the help
[20:03] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hello
[20:07] <Industrial> Hi. I have a laptop with a broken display. I have disconnected it. I have a HDMI monitor connected. The output of `xrandr --query` is `xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default`
[20:07] <Industrial> It just renders 800x600 now. The monitor can handle 1920x1080
[20:07] <cristian_c> Industrial: check the drivers
[20:07] <n-iCe> use arandr
[20:08] <Industrial> I can't issue xrandr commands like `xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --primary` since it's not recognized.
[20:08] <n-iCe> easily
[20:08] <cristian_c> n-iCe: is a frontend for xrandr
[20:08] <cristian_c> *it's
[20:09] <n-iCe> which i love
[20:09] <cristian_c> ah, sorry, you0remright
[20:09] <cristian_c> you0remright
[20:10] <Industrial> cristian_c: I kinda messed up my unity and gnome, and I'm using Xmonad so I don't have a menu to apps etc. Can I do this from the command line? How do I check the loaded drivers?
[20:10] <cristian_c> when vesa is ueed, it cannot be possible use xrandr
[20:10] <cristian_c> *using
[20:10] <Industrial> right
[20:10] <oerheks> "<Industrial> Hi. I have a laptop with a broken display." .. so it is a hardware thing, not software
[20:10] <Industrial> I remember configuring xorg.conf's back int ehd ay :p
[20:10] <smallfoot-> firefox is old!!!
[20:10] <smallfoot-> ubuntu - firefox 55
[20:10] <smallfoot-> windows - firefox 56
[20:11] <Industrial> oerheks: yes, but the HDMI display connected is the one being rendered to at the moment.
[20:11] <smallfoot-> ubuntu always have old software
[20:11] <leftyfb> 1 version off is old?
[20:11] <smallfoot-> yes
[20:11] <smallfoot-> it might contain security vulnerabilities too, who knows
[20:11] <Ben64> !info firefox
[20:11] <oerheks> smallfoot-, as you speak, i get a firefox update
[20:11] <Ben64> windows - 56, ubuntu - 56
[20:11] <n-iCe> use nightly
[20:11] <leftyfb> smallfoot-: the update came out 10 days ago
[20:11] <oerheks> indeed, 56 with updates are out
[20:12] <cristian_c> !troll
[20:12] <leftyfb> cristian_c: yeah, seem to be getting a lot of that lately
[20:13] <cristian_c> Industrial: lshw -C video
[20:13] <leftyfb> also, firefox 56 on Ubuntu 16.04 on my machine is updated from the main security repo
[20:13] <leftyfb> smallfoot-: you should actually do updates before complaining about versions being out of date
[20:13] <oerheks> smallfoot-, check your mirror how many hrs/days/weeks behind https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:13] <oerheks> in india is sometimes a tragedy
[20:14] <Industrial> cristian_c: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/02beb34a4bf0c84c598d7b0c22c6827f
[20:14] <Industrial> (yeah its a nice laptop (desktop replacement really, by MSI) so a shame the display broke.
[20:14] <cristian_c> vesa drivers, nouveau or closed nvidia are not loaded
[20:14] <Industrial> I will be getting a new one ..  next month ..
[20:15] <Industrial> okay
[20:15] <cristian_c> Industrial: you should install proprietsry drivers
[20:15] <cristian_c> using ubuntu-drivers command line tool
[20:15] <Industrial> I'll see what I can do to upgrade/update my system and install drivers
[20:15] <Industrial> okay
[20:16] <cristian_c> it's 980m so it should be supported
[20:16] <Industrial> that should pull 3 big monitors easy :p
[20:17] <cristian_c> it's not the desktop counterpart, btw
[20:18] <Industrial> Yeah it's still the mobile. Doesn't go quite as fast due to energy requirements I think? Mine is a MSI GT72S. There is also the GT80 series which includes a full blown desktop card
[20:18] <Industrial> .. and keyboard
[20:19] <cristian_c> yes
[20:20] <saml> is there a way to remove a package with another package that provides same files?
[20:20] <saml> without fixing and republishing the package
[20:20] <cristian_c> = replacing?
[20:20] <saml> i have libogg  that supposed to replace libogg0 .    apt remove libogg0    gives me Unmet dependencies
[20:21] <saml> so, I want to install libogg  and remove libogg0  in same transaction(?)
[20:21] <cristian_c> saml: if you try to install libogg, it conflicts?
[20:21] <saml> libogg doesn't specify Replacing:   rebuilding libogg (private package)  is a bit of work currently
[20:24] <saml> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25662786/   not sure if it's conflict. unmet dependencies
[20:25] <cristian_c> saml: apt-get -f install make things worse?
[20:28] <saml> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libogg.so.0.8.2', which is also in package libogg0 1.3.2
[20:28] <cristian_c> (I think you'll have to repacage your deb, but I'm not a debian packager, so I'm not sure)
[20:28] <saml> yeah i wanted to avoid that ugh
[20:28] <saml> or, start with ubuntu image that doesn't come with libogg0 already installed
[20:29] <tgm4883> saml: you'll run into far fewer issues later on if you just rebuild the packages correctly
[20:30] <saml> exactly
[20:30] <saml> this package real cray
[20:31] <saml> tgm4883, what's proper way to build a package?
[20:31] <tgm4883> saml: build it for the target distro you're looking for, set the proper dependencies, etc
[20:31] <saml> there should be a prior art. like a docker image that's ready to use for me to execute ./configure && make  or something
[20:32] <cristian_c> if you0ve c sources, ypu could try checkinstall
[20:32] <cristian_c> otgerwise reading 'debian mantainer guide'
[20:32] <cristian_c> *otherwise
[20:32] <saml> ah thanks. debian
[20:33] <cristian_c> (sorry)
[20:33] <nacc> a docker image would't immediately help, as you need the build-dependencies for the package you are buliding
[20:34] <nacc> you can of course use a container (LXD is probably easiest)
[20:34] <tgm4883> pbuilder
[20:34] <nacc> or sbuild
[20:34] <saml> i mean, like ubuntu base image with all build tools already installed
[20:34] <nacc> but honestly, this isn't ubuntu support at this point
[20:34] <nacc> saml: "all build tools"?
[20:35] <nacc> saml: I feel like you perhaps don't know what you're saying -- each source package has potentially different dependencies
[20:35] <cristian_c> build-essential?
[20:35] <nacc> cristian_c: that would probably get you some of the way, but won't work for all dependencies (e.g., libs, etc.)
[20:35] <saml> i meant  pbuilder, bzr-builddeb ..
[20:36] <cristian_c> nacc: yeah, it's only common, essential
[20:36] <cristian_c> :D
[20:36] <nacc> saml: ok, so you know the tools, but ... ?
[20:36] <saml> but i'm just confused
[20:45] <croz> Anyone have a Twitter client they can recommend that can handle multiple accounts?
[20:46] <xangua> croz: for KDE choqok, gnome corebird
[20:46] <xangua> Both graphical
[20:46] <croz> xfce?
[20:46] <xangua> croz: you can use it, yes
[20:47] <genii> Probably want corebird then
[20:47] <croz> so which one of the two do you recommend? both handle multiple clients?
[20:47] <croz> ah thanks
[20:47] <genii> !info corebird
[20:48] <genii> Need to enable universe repository if it isn't already
[20:49] <oerheks> sudo snap install corebird
[20:49] <oerheks> :-D
[20:49] <oerheks> oh wait, that needs the gnome platform, i read http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/09/corebird-1-6-snap-install-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:51] <leftyfb> croz: tweetdeck for google chrome
[21:05] <konrados> Hi again. I tried on #linux, but maybe this is a more right channel.
[21:05] <konrados> When I do $ apt-get --dry-run upgrade  I have a really long list of stuff to be done. But for now, I would like to install only things related to the network-manager, here is the part of the output with those keywords: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/339e7fbc227f13ce11c35f32c99e3e7c for example: Inst network-manager [1.2.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (1.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> Ubuntu:16.04/xenial-updates [amd64])
[21:05] <konrados> am I right that I can simply do $ apt-get install network-manager ?
[21:05] <nacc> konrados: yes, you can, but it might pull in deps beyond n-m itself
[21:07] <konrados> nacc, thanks, will then $ apt-get --dry-run upgrade network-manager; tell   me what it's gonna be?
[21:07] <konrados> oh, maybe I'll simply try...
[21:12] <nacc> konrados: i mean you can just do `apt-get --dry-run install network-manager` (upgrade with a package name does't really do what you think)
[21:15] <konrados> nacc thanks! Now it tells me I need to reboot, I'll be back in a minute :) Unless I broke smth :(
[21:27] <smallfoot-> does foo! in Rust mean what !foo does in other languages?
[21:51] <nacc> smallfoot-: that would be better asked in a rust channel
[21:51] <nacc> !alis | smallfoot-
[21:53] <arooni> hey team ; i restarted my ubuntu laptop via sudo reboot ; and now i just see two dots it seems like its frozen;  16.04.  should i hold down the power button and restart it again?
[21:55] <tgm4883> arooni: can you hit escape?
[21:56] <arooni> doesnt seem to do anything
[21:56] <arooni> :(
[21:56] <arooni> contrl alt f1 doesnt work
[21:57] <kostkon> arooni, are the dots flashing?
[21:57] <arooni> nope
[21:57] <kostkon> arooni, it's frozen
[21:57] <arooni> kostkon: yeah i restarted it it works fine now
[21:58] <arooni> i wish it were 100 % coming back from suspend but its not
[21:58] <kostkon> arooni, you are having suspend problems? Nevertheless, now that you are in the clear (for now) you should check your logs for any culprits
[22:35] <Pinkamena_D> Where is a good location to find the crystal structure data (bcc, fcc, lattice constant, etc) for many elements in one place?
[22:36] <nacc> Pinkamena_D: wrong channel?
[22:39] <Pinkamena_D> nacc: yeah, second time now >.>
[22:39] <Pinkamena_D> smuxi does not switch fast enough
[22:39] <nacc> Pinkamena_D: np, just didn't want you to be waiting for a response :)
[22:53] <gswallow> Howdy y'all.  Anyone here consider themselves expert at building packages?
[22:54] <smallfoot-> gswallow, those experts are in #ubuntu-motu i guess
[22:54] <gswallow> thanks
[22:54] <nacc> gswallow: "expert" sort of, yes. But also, you might want #ubuntu-packaging
[22:54] <gswallow> thank you, too
[23:34] <Moe_A> Hello, I'm having an issue with terminal background after updating to Ubuntu 17.04 where the background changes to black in some places and stays gray (tmux theme) under the text only. I was told it was maybe driver issues so I reinstalled nvidia drivers and even gnome3 but it is still the same, any suggestion of what could be the issue?
[23:47] <palmdk> Hello. I changed ownership of the /var to my own user by mistake. I have a similar system is there anyway i can apply the folder permissions from that system to the broken one?
[23:48] <nacc> palmdk: you changed the ownership or the permissions?
[23:48] <palmdk> Sorry, ownership
[23:48] <nacc> palmdk: just change it back?
[23:48] <palmdk> Think there are quite a few different ownerships inside the /var folder?
[23:49] <nacc> palmdk: you didn't say you recursively changed the ownership
[23:49] <palmdk> I did
[23:49] <palmdk> It is late - i been working all day and didn't check my script properly
[23:49] <nacc> seems like the worst time to do something as root :)
[23:50] <nacc> palmdk: afaik, there's not a simple way to do what you want, as there is no guaranteed UIDs match between two systems
[23:50] <nacc> palmdk: most stuff in /var is ownned by root, did you also change the group?
[23:50] <palmdk> Yep also the group
[23:50] <palmdk> The similar system is a 3 day old backup
[23:50] <nacc> palmdk: (again, not mentioned earlier). Yeah, that makes it trickier
[23:50] <nacc> 3 day old backup of the system that's now wrong?
[23:51] <palmdk> Yes
[23:51] <nacc> palmdk: ok, then use `sudo chown` and `sudo chgrp` by hand to make it what it was before?
[23:52] <palmdk> sudo chgrp - what does this do?
[23:52] <nacc> palmdk: changes the group, you can do it with just chown too
[23:52] <nacc> palmdk: it's possible you can do what you want with rsync and appropriate options, but I've never done it.
[23:54] <palmdk> Hmm, what i was hoping existed was some method to print out current owners / groups as chown statements
[23:55] <palmdk> There is a lot of files to do this manually :/
[23:57] <nacc> palmdk: i mean, you can write a trivial script to do it
[23:57] <nacc> palmdk: right, there's not often a trivial way to doing things as root
[23:57] <nacc> *undoinng


[13:45] <zoose> hello everybody.
[15:21] <zoose> place is pretty quiet. anyone around?
[15:22] <govatent> yup
[15:22] <govatent> i am
[15:23] <zoose> o/ govatent
[15:23] <govatent> how goes it
[15:23] <zoose> im alive :)
[15:24] <govatent> I'm heading up to orlando today for the weekend
[15:24] <zoose> been a long time since i been in here, past few weeks its been quiet..
[15:24] <zoose> wots going on in Orlando?
[15:25] <govatent> yea. its been extremely quiet
[15:25] <govatent> I'm just getting out of town for a bit. nothing special
[15:25] <zoose> its a good place to go
[15:26] <zoose> i tried to move there once... worst timeing ever.
[15:27] <zoose> went up with 60 cents, found a job doing car repos... ended up living in Delux inn on OBT....
[17:25] <CrimsonIdol> I live in Orlando...


[10:36] <foxtrack> "E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/aheck/ppa/ubuntu focal Release' does not have a Release file.
[10:36] <foxtrack> "
[10:38] <foxtrack> What's this error?
[10:40] <guiverc> foxtrack, PPA's are 3rd party software sources, checks to see they are maintained, trustworthy & suitable for your machine are all on you, that PPA was abandoned long ago (10.04) so why did you add it?  a decade of non-support should have been a clue not to add it
[10:41] <guiverc> https://launchpad.net/~aheck/+archive/ubuntu/ppa  (note last upload was 2010-Jan-23)
[10:43] <foxtrack> cant add.
[10:44] <guiverc> the PPA should be removed ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Removing_.26_Disabling_Repositories
[10:47] <foxtrack> so should i go into /etc/apt/sources and delete the entry?
[10:48] <guiverc> I would... it'll do you no good as it doesn't support focal/20.04, and anything in it will be so old it'll be of no use (and potential security-nightmare) so yep. I'd delete the entry
[10:49] <foxtrack> the gui removal of ppa is telling me "failed to download repository information"
[10:56] <foxtrack> could this perhaps be related to backports?
[11:01] <guiverc> foxtrack, sorry I do checks before adding PPAs, so can't recall if there are pitfalls post-addition of bad ppa. I'd likely remove manually via editor (or use "#" at start of line to comment it out in case of mistake)
[11:09] <foxtrack> is there anyway I can go back through with the .iso and repair?
[11:16] <guiverc> the error is only a single line in a text file that needs repair. As I stated last comment, I'd just manually remove/comment-it-out myself with editor, but I'd hope the link I provided would allow you to uncheck ppa to de-activate it.
[11:17] <guiverc> PPAs are usually stored (esp. if added via command/gui tool) in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ where it should be easy to locate & correct/edit
[12:13] <foxtrack> fresh install.
[12:13] <foxtrack> though now ive got several partitions that arent being used and have little information of value inside them.
[12:14] <foxtrack> thanks for the help though, @guiverc


[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Hey! If you want to put 22.04.2 RCs through the paces, we (finally!) have an image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/jammy/dvd/20230216.1/
[17:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: \o/
[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm zsyncing right now.
[17:33] <arraybolt3> OK, guess I'll be tackling 22.04.2 RCs and LXQt today.
[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Technically, testing could go for everyone.
[17:33]  * arraybolt3 disassembles victim laptop
[17:36] <arraybolt3> How on earth did I get a fingernail clipping stuck in my fan vent...
[17:39] <arraybolt3> Alright, dual testing laptops ready.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> Sigh. The ISO tracker is linking to MD5SUMS files rather than SHA256SUMS...
[17:48] <arraybolt3> Here's hoping my URL mod works.
[17:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: zsync does the sums automatically, hence the big long reading of the seed file.
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> True, but it's not GPG-protected.
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm one of those kinda weird overly-security-cautious people who like to check stuff like that ;P)
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (As opposed to HTTPS.)
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not sure why that matters since it can't be man-in-the-middled.
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> It's an HTTP download over a cellular connection so...
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Over unencrypted HTTP and multiple wireless connections, yeah technically it could be.
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Is it going to be? Almost certainly not.
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean I have never had a single maliciously interfered download in my life so far, but then again it only takes one to cause Serious Problems(TM).
[17:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, but it would be caught by zsync since it's not pulling the entire file but hashes of it. If the hashes don't match what it's looking for, it'll error.
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> True, and it would have to be a pretty involved and targeted attack for someone to MiTM both the ISO and the zsync data.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Exactly.
[18:12] <arraybolt3> Yikes, I need a faster flash drive. This red USB 2 drive has been rock-solid for reliability but good grief it is slow.
[18:12] <arraybolt3> Or I need one of those IODD devices you have :P
[19:06] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: OK, a secure boot + UEFI install worked, but the GTK theming seems a bit wonky in GIMP. I assume this probably isn't a regression, but FYI. The Flame tool has a couple of spots where the theming makes text near-impossible to read, though it's still usable.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: GTK theming in GIMP is rendered by GIMP's internal theme, not by the GTK theme in Studio.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, beyond our control.
[19:07] <arraybolt3> Oh yuck.
[19:07] <arraybolt3> Wonder why they do that :P
[19:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can set it to use the system GTK theme, but it's not default.
[19:08] <arraybolt3> And yeah, the 22.04.1 ISO has the same problem, so no regression.
[19:08] <arraybolt3> Alright, one successful test. Next!
[19:08]  * arraybolt3 fishes out Ethernet cable
[19:34] <arraybolt3> OK so the Broadcom WiFi driver problem is back, in Jammy this time.
[19:34] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1993370
[19:34] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Launchpad bug 1993370 in software-properties (Ubuntu Jammy) "Cannot install proprietary Broadcom WiFi drivers on Ubuntu Studio Kinetic" [Undecided, New]
[19:36] <arraybolt3> Hopefully bdmurray can fix that too, he fixed it in Lunar and has the fix committed in Kinetic.
[19:36] <arraybolt3> (I forgot to do verification for that in Kinetic though >_<)
[19:36] <arraybolt3> Actually the fix landed in LP upstream, is this something that we can just hork tsimonq2 for?
[19:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Report on the iso tracker please.
[19:37] <arraybolt3> Will do.
[19:38] <arraybolt3> Sigh. I enjoy testing but I always feel like I'm always depressing everyone else when something actually does go awry :P
[19:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: No, not depressed. The broadcom thing is useful and much better knowing now than last minute.
[19:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Now the fluidsynth bug in kinetic that's being reported.... that's depressing because there's nothing that can be done without rebuilding about 1/2 of the audio packages.
[20:35] <arraybolt3> Anyway, good news, I was able to install bcmwl-kernel-source, enroll a MOK, and then WiFi worked.
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Gah, I keep using IRC because it's more comfy for me, but we can actually react and whatnot here.
[23:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: We have a real time kernel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RAtZCkVMZs
[23:10] <arraybolt3> OvenWerks: It's an Ubuntu Pro feature, and I think Eickmeyer[m] wanted to avoid realtime kernels intentionally, or at least that's what I read from one of the Wiki pages.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> arraybolt3: No worries, I was just surprised to see that
[23:13] <OvenWerks> RT kernels _can_ cause more trouble than they are worth, such as lockups
[23:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks Yeah, not only an Ubuntu Pro feature, but intended for IoT and embedded devices per my conversations with Dimitri Ledkov.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> The kernel team has resisited RT for ever it seems  ;)
[23:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Because of the maintenance costs. This would be part of the paid tiers of Ubuntu Pro for IoT and Embedded, as I understand it.
[23:20] <arraybolt3> Is it not free anymore? In beta you could use it with a free Ubuntu Pro token.
[23:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3 (@arraybolt3:libera.chat): It was never meant to be for regular desktops, per my conversations with Dimitri (xnox).
[23:21] <arraybolt3> I mean I don't particularly care I guess, I use desktop hardware.
[23:21] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: I saw some people using it on desktops I thought? Could be wrong.
[23:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> In fact, as I understand it, won't even be available for such.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> And beta is just that: for testing. Final is different in scope.
[23:22] <arraybolt3> Huh, weird. Part of me now wants to try and enable it on a VM just to see what happens :P
[23:23] <OvenWerks> arraybolt3: your computer will go slower :)
[23:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> This is true. Realtime kernels actually make your computer respond slower on the GUI.
[23:24] <arraybolt3> ?! That's the opposite of what I would have expected...
[23:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> realtime is for hardware <-> hardware mostly.
[23:25] <arraybolt3> I can see various linux-image-realtime kernels in esm.ubuntu.com.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> arraybolt3: RT/lowlatency is about scheduling not speed
[23:25] <arraybolt3> So they at least advertise that they still have them.
[23:26] <arraybolt3> OvenWerks: Right but the lowlatency kernel sacrifices some raw speed in exchange for more responsiveness, right?
[23:26] <arraybolt3> (I know RT != lowlatency but I thought the concepts were similar.)
[23:27] <arraybolt3> Though this may be me showing just how little I know in this area ;P
[23:28] <OvenWerks> The difference betrween RT and low latency is very small actually. In RT an RT thread can take all CPU resources in low latency the rt thread can take most of it but some is set aside for everythign else.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> However, one can have more "throughput" by dealing with bigger chunks of data at a time
[23:29] <OvenWerks> this will seem faster. But if the cpu allows a big chunk to finish it's work scheduling for something like audio can be missed
[23:30]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk, brb
[23:31] <OvenWerks> So with big chucks of data going from the CPU to the video chip, video will redraw quicker, data will transfer to net faster, etc. but  small bit of audio might be missed giving a click or pop in the audio stream


[20:22] <Unit193> fossfreedom_: Are you still OK with xfce4windowing?
[20:25] <fossfreedom_> Budgie upstream have made the changes for the latest x4w - so happy to pull this in at anytime.
[20:25] <Unit193> Just making sure with regards to timing.
[20:26] <fossfreedom_> I can patch it anytime.  There will be a release of budgie desktop in the next couple of weeks; don't need to wait though.  Happy to update.
[20:27] <Unit193> I seem to have a moment now, so doing it.
[20:28] <fossfreedom_> experimental upload first?
[20:31] <Unit193> Yeah.  IIRC you don't have sync privs?
[20:33] <fossfreedom_> I'm the DM for budgie-desktop if that's what you mean so can upload at anytime.
[20:34] <Unit193> Nah, I was thinking more Ubuntu.  If I upload now but don't get a minute to fsync, it can be handled by someone else.
[20:35] <fossfreedom_> I can sync from debian to ubuntu.  The ubuntu version of budgie-desktop is a sync-merge since they are slightly different.  So I'll handle that.
[20:38] <Unit193> Great!  Please do so then, uploading to experimental now and it fixes the delta.
[20:39] <fossfreedom_> cheers.
[20:39] <Unit193> ...Pretty sure this is going to break a few builds in exp for Debian. >_>
[20:41] <fossfreedom_> unstable/experimental is broken anyway with time_t ... so whats one more breakage ... :P
[20:42] <Unit193> Well, *I'm* the one breaking it, and I'll have to do a few uploads to fix it... :P
[20:42] <Unit193> But I've held off because busy, and there's new gir stuff...
[20:44] <Unit193> "Successfully uploaded packages."!