[01:29] <stlsaint> vish: ping
[01:32] <stlsaint> any admin folks around?
[01:35] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, what do you mean by admin?
[01:37] <stlsaint> bcurtiswx: hrm, well vish is the only person ive been dealing with and others have titled him "admin"
[01:38] <yofel> admin for what?
[01:38] <yofel> papercuts?
[01:39] <bcurtiswx> mentors?
[01:39]  * bcurtiswx waves to jorge
[01:40] <stlsaint> yofel: well heres my issue
[01:40] <stlsaint> bcurtiswx: ^^
[01:40] <stlsaint> i have been assinged a mentor drew...
[01:41] <stlsaint> but i cant triage any bugs as im not part of the team on lp
[01:41] <stlsaint> (though i thought i was from vish)
[01:41] <yofel> er, you don't need to be part of the team...
[01:41] <yofel> ... to triage bugs
[01:41] <bcurtiswx> bugsquad is open to anyone (right?)
[01:42] <micahg> bcurtiswx: no, but that still doesn't stop triage
[01:42] <micahg> you have to sign the CoC, it's moderated now
[01:42] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, yeah, triage is still very possible without being a member.. your mentor will be able to explain why and how :)
[01:42] <stlsaint> well i cant triage a bug on lp as im not part of the team
[01:42] <stlsaint> i just tried
[01:42] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, you don't have to be
[01:42] <yofel> stlsaint: do you mean 'set to Triaged' by chance?
[01:42] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, what are you trying to do?
[01:42] <yofel> only bug control can do thta
[01:42] <yofel> *that
[01:42] <micahg> stlsaint: you can't mark a bug triaged? only bug control can, just requesto someone to mark it in here for you
[01:43] <bcurtiswx> well don't everyone jump in at one :P
[01:43] <stlsaint> micahg: oh hey
[01:43]  * micahg goes back to lurking...
[01:43] <micahg> :)
[01:43] <stlsaint> so i can triage it but someone else has to mark it, well will i be able to list the bug as something that i triaged?
[01:44] <micahg> stlsaint: right
[01:45] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, triaging is the act of all the things you do to "mark as triaged", so anything that you help with you can say you helped triage
[01:47] <stlsaint> bcurtiswx: right i see alright so i guess i should post a bug here than and ask you to triage it ;)
[01:47] <stlsaint> i just confirmed it
[01:47] <stlsaint> well actually i brought the bug to the dev of it and a few others confirmed
[01:48] <stlsaint> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clicompanion/+bug/636119
[01:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636119 in clicompanion "doesnt detect zsh as my preferred shell (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <yofel> stlsaint: erm, that's a but in the clicompanion project, not in the ubuntu project -> nothing we can do there
[01:49] <yofel> s/but/bug/
[01:49] <stlsaint> oh noes :(
[01:50] <stlsaint> crap...alright, thanks guys, seems i need to go read some more :\
[01:50] <bcurtiswx> yofel likes but's :P, and yeah it has to be in the ubuntu project :)
[01:50] <bcurtiswx> stlsaint, this is the place to ask questions :) enjoy the literature
[02:57] <espen77> When i am connected to a wireless AP (wpa-psk) and AP is turned off, i get asked for password to logon even if the AP is gone. Is this a feature or a bug?
[03:01] <espen77> Also very annoying is "Broadcast accounts" wants to verify my twitter account every 2 minutes or so and brings the window front and focus, but i am on vacation behind the grate firewall of china so i cant verify.
[03:21] <micahg> rusivi: why are you still sending End of LIfe messages?  Also, why do you reference www.ubuntu.com
[03:22] <rusivi> micahg: I'll double check grammer & mislink
[03:22] <micahg> rusivi: my main question is why are you still sending those messages?
[03:23] <rusivi> micahg: which bug(s) specifically?
[03:24] <micahg> bug 134813
[03:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 134813 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Context menu key to fix spellings is on wrong line of textarea (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134813
[03:25] <rusivi> micahg: the last actual post dealing with the book was in 2007 = EoL? grammer was fine, link was fine,
[03:26] <micahg> rusivi: please update via www.ubuntu.com doesn't make sense
[03:26] <rusivi> micahg: I have fixed that
[03:27] <micahg> rusivi: also, if you looked at the upstream bug, it was fixed in Firefox 3.6.2
[03:27] <rusivi> micahg: nod, I'm now following responses from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[03:27] <micahg> rusivi: k, good :)
[03:27] <rusivi> micahg: it has your suggestion in it
[03:28] <micahg> rusivi: right, but even then, that should only be used when there are no steps to reproduce and an upstream bug task isn't open
[03:28]  * micahg used to do the same thing
[03:29] <rusivi> micahg: k
[03:46] <alex_buie> aww, I missed the bug day
[03:46] <alex_buie> :(
[03:47] <nigelb> g68
[03:52] <rusivi> alex_buie: this is bug-2-week for me so feel free to join in!
[03:54] <micahg> alex_buie: why, it's still Thursday somewhere
[08:57] <Tiibiidii> hello
[08:57] <Tiibiidii> it seems that a old bug is happening again
[08:57] <Tiibiidii> should i open a new one, or it is fine to reopen the old one by nominating it for maverick?
[09:01] <Tiibiidii> uhm, since the information described in the bug would be the same... i think i'll nominate for maverick (and fix a tag: regression-potential instead of regression-release and that's it)
[12:17] <Fopper> I saw a bunch of bugs that IMHO should be set to wishlist:<PHONE_NUMBER>94<PHONE_NUMBER>04<PHONE_NUMBER>11
[12:19] <yofel> bug 602293 bug 602294 bug 602297 bug 602304 bug 602309 bug 602311
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602293 in prism (Ubuntu) "Google Maps (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602293
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602294 in prism (Ubuntu) "Wikipedia (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602294
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602297 in prism (Ubuntu) "Meebo (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602297
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602304 in prism (Ubuntu) "Pixlr Editor (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602304
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602309 in prism (Ubuntu) "Splashup (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602309
[12:19] <yofel> 5 at most, huh... bug 602311
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602311 in prism (Ubuntu) "Google Translate (affects: 1) (heat: 51)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602311
[12:20] <Fopper> yofel: thanks, quick learning moment for me
[12:20] <yofel> !me
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[12:24] <yofel> Fopper: done
[12:27] <Fopper> yofel: Thank you
[12:32] <Hew> jcastro, could you please renew my ubuntu-bugcontrol membership?
[12:54] <Hew> ogasawara, could you please renew my ubuntu-bugcontrol membership?
[13:27] <abhijit> hi
[13:32] <rrittenhouse_> abhijit, hello
[13:32] <abhijit> hi rrittenhouse_
[14:08] <abhijit> hello
[14:08] <abhijit> again one more bug for mark as wishlist
[14:08] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/641289
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641289 in f-spot (Ubuntu) "f-spot dont have shortcut key for wallpaper (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:08] <abhijit> anyone free to mark?
[14:09] <abhijit> shadeslayer, you? :P :D
[14:09] <rrittenhouse_> I really need to figure out this triaging thing.. ;)
[14:10] <abhijit> ohhhh
[14:12] <WimYedema> Hi all
[14:13] <WimYedema> I just upgraded to 10.10
[14:13] <WimYedema> I was pleasantly surprised to see that the window title bar is removed when the window is maximized
[14:13] <WimYedema> But now there's no easy way to close or unmaximize it
[14:14] <WimYedema> So... how do I make it easy, or how do I turn the title bar back on?
[14:16] <WimYedema> Is anybody actually active here?
[14:16] <abhijit> WimYedema, why dont you ask in #ubuntu+1
[14:17] <WimYedema> because I didn't know about that channel;)
[14:55] <rrittenhouse_> Is there a flowchart of the bug process? I think that would be extremely helpful
[14:56] <rrittenhouse_> So one can graphically see the processes and know what to do. (i'm a visual learner)
[15:11] <tuos> rrittenhouse_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/Charts
[15:12] <rrittenhouse_> nfw.. thanks tuos
[15:14] <tuos> rrittenhouse_: np. You should also read the whole triaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[15:16] <rrittenhouse_> tuos, I did about two years ago :D Never fully understood it as I felt it was too full of gotchas at the time.
[15:16] <rrittenhouse_> I will re-read again though.. i really want to help out
[15:31] <ogasawara> Hew: sure, what's your launchpad id?
[15:31] <Hew> ogasawara, hew, thanks
[15:33] <ogasawara> Hew: done, renewed for another year.
[15:33] <Hew> thanks :)
[16:16] <rrittenhouse_> How are you to judge if a bug has a duplicate or not? I'm guessing theres no easy way to do this besides searching and taking a stab in the dark.
[16:16] <rrittenhouse_> or have things changed?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> If there are stack traces, they need to match
[16:18] <charlie-tca> but, there should be enough information to determine they are the same, if there are no stacktraces.
[16:19] <elopio> good morning.
[16:20] <rrittenhouse_> good morning elopio
[16:20] <elopio> rrittenhouse_: :)
[16:21] <elopio> I one more triaging question.
[16:21] <elopio> I see some bugs marked as "expired". But I can't do it. Is it something that requires additional permissions?
[16:22] <yofel> elopio: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[16:22] <yofel> not settable by web interface
[16:23] <elopio> um, thanks yofel. Could you tell me how to set it by mail?
[16:23] <yofel> it's more of scripted use, but if you want to set it you can do it by mail or use my script in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/lp-scripts
[16:23] <yofel> s/of/for/
[16:24] <yofel> elopio: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface pretty useful sometimes
[16:24] <elopio> great.
[16:24] <elopio> thanks.
[16:39] <rrittenhouse_> Someone should screencast sessions of triaging sometime (that know what they are doing). Id like to see the workflows that some people use
[16:40] <popey> great idea!
[16:40]  * micahg thought someone already did
[16:40] <rrittenhouse_> lol im sure someone has... they always seem to be ten steps ahead
[16:40] <rrittenhouse_> i just can't find them
[16:41] <popey> theres one about filing bugs
[16:41] <popey> not triaging
[16:41] <popey> AFAIAA
[16:42]  * charlie-tca thought we had one too
[16:42] <rrittenhouse_> i'm thinking of interactive sessions with people that are doing it as they go along so others can ask questions about why they do what they do
[16:42] <rrittenhouse_> i could be off of my rocker but it sounds helpful
[16:44] <yofel> that would be a screencast + a -classroom session
[16:44] <yofel> now you need someone that does it :P
[16:45] <rrittenhouse_> nice
[16:45] <popey> could be done at somewhere like a bug day
[16:45] <popey> have a few people sat around a pc, record the screen and the audio
[16:45] <popey> so you get the discussion and why people are tagging and replying to bugs in that way
[16:45] <popey> real world scenarios
[16:46] <popey> s/bug day/global jam/
[16:46] <rrittenhouse_> yeah...basically
[16:47] <rrittenhouse_> hell even if people recorded their 5-a-day if thats still going on
[16:51] <charlie-tca> 5-a-day is recorded automatically now, makes that more difficult
[16:51] <rrittenhouse_> interesting.. :)
[16:52] <rrittenhouse_> but smarter for sure
[16:52] <neeraj_gupta> how to add support for non-genuine packages bug reporting through apport. I was working on adding support for bug reporting for sucrose-0.88 package
[16:53] <popey> charlie-tca: i think rrittenhouse_ doesn't mean what you think he means
[16:53] <popey> charlie-tca: rrittenhouse_ means "screencasting a 5 a day session", not "record the stats of a 5-a-day session"
[16:53] <popey> I think
[16:54] <rrittenhouse_> true popey but either way i didn't realize it was recorded automatically now
[16:54] <rrittenhouse_> it's just a classification really people can just record them doing a few each day to show the different kinds of real world scenarios you might run into or how to handle certain scenarios
[16:55] <yofel> neeraj_gupta: needs an apport hook for the package and if you keep the bugs in a seperate launchpad project a small crashdb config file
[16:56] <yofel> neeraj_gupta: did you already read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo ?
[16:56] <rrittenhouse_> popey, What do you think would be the appropriate next-step in seeing if something like this is valuable to people? Do I create a Wiki page and submit a blueprint or ?
[16:57] <popey> I'd write a script, and think of bugs that you could triage, and maybe even make some dummy bugs on the staging launchpad server
[16:57] <popey> then record the screen whilst triaging those bugs
[16:57] <neeraj_gupta> yofel: yes I did. I don't know how this can happen. I had used ubuntu-bug -p for sugar-0.88 afair. at that time it was working file. I have read about apport-hook when I first went through apport.
[16:58] <yofel> neeraj_gupta: are you talking about a ppa package or the official one?
[16:59] <rrittenhouse_> popey, I don't know how to triage yet..hence why i'm even pondering it. I keep trying but keep getting way confused but like I said I am a visual learner and theres mounds of documentation to sift through to learn it.
[17:00] <rrittenhouse_> popey, I triaged a couple back in the day with my old mentor (bobbo) and done a little packaging here and there but that's been 2 years now I think.
[17:00] <popey> ah, ok
[17:03] <neeraj_gupta> yofel: official
[17:04] <yofel> neeraj_gupta: it shouldn't tell you that it's a non-genuine package in this case. What's your output of 'apt-cache policy sucrose-0.88' ?
[17:13] <micahg> rusivi: for bug 155378, that package was removed from hardy on, so it can be mark fix released
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 155378 in tabextensions (Ubuntu) "mozilla-tabextensions is unrecommended (heat: 8)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155378
[17:15] <rusivi> micahg: ah good call, can if you like?
[17:16] <micahg> rusivi: go for it, just explain that the package was removed in Hardy
[17:17] <rusivi> micahg: quick folllow-up, wouldn't it be better suited to "won't fix" since it was removed from Hardy?
[17:17] <micahg> rusivi: why didn't you check if the package was removed?
[17:17] <micahg> rusivi: no, the bug was it was recommended and it really should've been dropped
[17:18] <rusivi> micahg: I did check but I did not know that condition for removed packages are marked fixed.
[17:18] <rusivi> micahg: did not even know to ask
[17:18] <rusivi> micahg: sorry bout that
[17:18] <micahg> rusivi: it depends on the report ;) in this case, the issue was it wouldn't work, so needed to be removed
[17:19] <rusivi> micahg: ahhhh sorry your right this one should be marked fixed (took a little to sink in)
[17:23] <rusivi> micahg: just marked as fixed
[17:23] <yofel> micahg: any progress on bug 630789 btw?
[17:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630789 in ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs "firefox ppa apport hook crashes with KeyError: 'ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs' (affects: 1) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630789
[17:26] <micahg> yofel: sort of, I still have to talk to chrisccoulson about implementation
[17:27] <yofel> micahg: the config file would look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/495388/ (doesn't use the ubuntu bugpatterns though)
[17:28] <micahg> yofel: that's the part I know :)
[17:28] <yofel> heeh
[17:28] <yofel> *hehe
[17:29] <micahg> yofel: the question is how to handle it for multiple sources where we just need 1 copy in the crashdb dir
[17:29] <yofel> micahg: every hook needs to have the CrashDB set to the same value
[17:29] <yofel> or every source package needs a symlink to the same hook
[17:29] <micahg> yofel: right
[17:30] <yofel> ah, I think I got what you mean :/
[17:31] <micahg> yofel: it's not ubuntuone where there's one source -> one project ;)
[17:31] <yofel> right, I wrote one for project-neon, there we'll probably put it in a meta package (probably together with the xsession configuration)
[17:36] <neeraj_gupta> yofel: ok. my bad. I had installed the new package after building the package and so the *upgraded version* was technically not a genuine Ubuntu package. ty for ur pointers :)
[17:45] <micahg> rusivi: please stop asking people to test when there are steps to reproduce
[17:46] <rusivi> micahg: may I please have an example?
[17:46] <micahg> bug 156615 and bug 155648
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 156615 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "sound notification does not allow to specify a custom wav file (affects: 3) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156615
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 155648 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Regression: Thunderbird New Mail sound cuts off before end (heat: 3)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155648
[17:48] <rusivi> micahg: well looks like my new bug zapping has come to a conclusion. Moving forward, I'll review the ones I have posted to and see what I can do with them!
[17:49] <micahg> rusivi: your choice
[17:50] <rusivi> micahg: Well I have a difference in opinion that I'm not going to challenge. I believe in the quantity + quality policy. You want quality. Not a choice but not a big deal.
[17:51] <rusivi> micahg: ty for your guidance if I have any further questions I won't hesitate to ask!
[17:51] <micahg> rusivi: k, we appreciate the effort
[18:05] <hggdh> I am not sure I understand it
[18:06] <micahg> hggdh: the last conversation?
[18:06] <hggdh> yes
[18:06] <micahg> heh
[18:12] <nigelb> micahg: heh, that was confusing ;)
[18:15] <hggdh> at least he stopped
[18:15] <nigelb> oh, true.
[18:16] <nigelb> I need to check my mailbox now to try and figure out which among the 100s there are one thata need to be checked
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> hah
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you noticed rusivi asking for information on bugs that are obvious too?
[18:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: was a big problem, I commented on it several times
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> bug 155378, asking to test on the latest version
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 155378 in tabextensions (Ubuntu) "mozilla-tabextensions is unrecommended (heat: 8)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155378
[18:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right :)
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> despite the extension being removed from the archive ;)
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> although he did realise in the end, unless somebody prompted him
[18:44]  * micahg coughs
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> lol
[18:45]  * micahg points to scrollback 90 minutes ago
[18:46] <nigelb> heh
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> ah
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> i give up on bug 641294, i've honestly got no idea what is going on
[18:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641294 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Error loading the runtime (/usr/lib/firefox-3.6.10/libnssutil3.so: undefined symbol: PL_ClearArenaPool) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641294
[18:48]  * yofel managed to freeze nouveau solid on maverick and apport seems stuck collecting information
[18:49] <yofel> great :/
[18:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you seem to have checked everything, maybe the ldd output will be a smoking gun
[18:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: have you written bugpatterns before?
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've not written them before
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> i wanted to write one for the ubufox upgrade failures coming from ubuntu ultimate edition users
[18:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm thinking of writing one for the ubufox/ubuntu ultimate issue
[18:50] <micahg> heh
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm sick of collecting those reports now
[18:51] <micahg> that and the ubuntuzilla upgrade failures
[18:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i was thinking of that one too ;)
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> it would be good to have bug patterns for those, as those issues aren't going to go away any time soon
[18:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I probably won't get to it until after maverick release though
[19:12] <mc_> is this an appropriate channel to ask about errors when upgrading packages? #ubuntu was not too helpful
[19:13] <mc_> specifically http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Q387uPTD
[19:14] <mc_> the error came configuring xulrunner and friends
[19:15] <yofel> mc_: ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam, they maintain that iirc
[19:16] <mc_> yofel:  great, thanks
[19:30] <mc_> yofel:  thanks again, problem solved
[19:31] <nigelb> charlie-tca: um, not many folks with access to -meeting?
[19:31]  * nigelb didn't want to linger in -ops
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I suppose. I will keep trying though
[19:31] <nigelb> great, thanks for being on the case :)
[19:32] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:32] <charlie-tca> ah-ha. Ops are on it
[19:33] <nigelb> what the....
[19:37] <annon> hi. I just installed 10.04.1 LTS with full disk encryption, but every time it boots up my monitor says "video mode not supported" before I can even enter the password to unlock /. what can I do about it? it has to be a setting in /boot since this is the only partition not encrypted at this point.
[19:38] <charlie-tca> still trying
[19:40] <charlie-tca> nigelb: no ops available that can do anything in there
[19:41] <nigelb> charlie-tca: none from concil is around? Pici ?
[19:41] <nigelb> or even popey
[19:41] <rrittenhouse_> annon, have you tried asking in #ubuntu ?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> doesn't seem to be
[19:41] <hggdh> where are the ops when we need them?
[19:42] <rrittenhouse_> hggdh, why, whats wrong?
[19:42] <hggdh> on #ubuntu-meeting, rompeculos and Ubunterito
[19:42] <rrittenhouse_> oooh ok.
[19:43] <charlie-tca> apparently, you almost never need them there
[19:44] <nigelb> charlie-tca: sigh, that access list needs expanding if you ask me.
[19:44] <nigelb> I should raise that with ircc
[19:44] <charlie-tca> that list is almost obsolete. That is part of the problem
[19:45]  * nigelb growls
[19:45] <nigelb> frustrating to feel so helpless
[19:45] <annon> rrittenhouse_: yes, about 4 times, no reply. it's a bug, isn't it?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> done
[19:46]  * nigelb hugs Pici :)
[19:46] <nigelb> g22
[19:46] <rrittenhouse_> annon, I have no clue - I was just thinking that's where they did support moreso than here. (correct me if im wrong)
[19:47] <charlie-tca> rrittenhouse_: correct
[19:48] <charlie-tca> annon: sounds like a bug in xorg; have you checked launchpad for one?
[19:49] <annon> charlie-tca: is xorg in /boot? I have no clue to be honest, but since /boot is the only unencrypted partition at this point, and I don't think /boot contains xorg, I don't think xorg is the problem here.
[19:50] <rrittenhouse_> annon, I asked you for more details in #ubuntu (unless they want to talk about it here)
[19:50] <annon> rrittenhouse_: rather here :-)
[19:50] <rrittenhouse_> annon, what kind of graphics card do you have?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> rather there. This is not support, but rather to discuss bug triage issues
[19:51] <annon> nvidia gt 220.
[19:51] <hggdh> KMS, probably
[19:51] <annon> charlie-tca: oh!
[19:51] <annon> sorry then.
[19:51] <rrittenhouse_> k. ill search around and get back with you in #ubuntu if I find anything
[19:51] <annon> thanks
[19:54] <prek> hello guys i wan
[19:54] <prek> i whant report a bug on 10.10 beta but not much time... can i report here ?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> prek: If you want to see it fixed, it needs to be reported to launchpad
[19:55] <prek> but need register etc right ?
[19:55] <prek> im runing out o battery laptop ...
[19:55] <charlie-tca> right. Here is the howto - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Hmm, recharge then report?
[19:57] <prek> its just ubuntu crash on loading and give this fb: conflicting fb hw usage radeondrmfb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver
[19:58] <prek> hp g62-a10ep .... hybrid grafic card...
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Then you will be the one with the information they need, not someone else.
[19:59] <prek> ok i gonna try register...
[20:00] <prek> 15% bat ;D
[20:00] <charlie-tca> thanks. If I reported it, it would record against my nvidia card, which would be wrong.
[20:01] <prek> but im at windows right now ...
[20:01] <prek> because dont instaled 3g card yet
[21:01] <rusivi> micahg: hey quick question while I'm diving into all the bugs I touched, it seems once I am done if I want to continue bugging I should put a small disclaimer in my initial posting that I am a new bug zapper. What do you think about that?
[21:02] <rusivi> micahg: Couple responses I have read the people seemed a little salty....
[21:02] <yofel> well, the people don't care if you're new or not, and telling them you're new won't make them happier IMHO
[21:03] <charlie-tca> sometimes using the standard responses (copy and paste) helps
[21:04] <rusivi> yofel: duly noted more of something like I'm a newer volunteer perhaps or just stock responses as charlie-tca suggests?
[21:04] <yofel> rather try to stick to our usual process, meaning first try to check if you can reproduce the bug and only if you're unable to do so ask the reporter questions. And leave the bug alone if you don't have the environment to test the bug
[21:04] <yofel> a tent to agree with charlie-tca
[21:04] <yofel> *tend
[21:04] <rusivi> yofel: then I agree too
[21:07] <rusivi> yofel / charlie-tca: ty
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Of course, we all get snapped at too
[21:12] <rrittenhouse_> popey, (referring to the live screencast+qa thing). I need to find someone that wants to experiment with this. Is the technical infrastructure already ready?
[21:13] <popey> it probably needs two people sat next to eachother
[21:13] <rrittenhouse_> how so?
[21:15] <rrittenhouse_> You could possibly use the IRC chat combined with a live video service (if youtube live was out this might work?). I think a text chat with people watching a live screencast + voice would suffice, would it not?
[21:15] <devildante> hello everyone :)
[21:15] <rrittenhouse_> hello devildante
[21:15] <devildante> and most importantly, hello samwho :)
[21:15] <samwho> Mohammed! :)
[21:16] <devildante> rrittenhouse, hi :)
[21:16] <devildante> samwho, sorry I haven't been available earlier
[21:16] <samwho> Likewise ^_^
[21:16] <samwho> Unfortunately you jut caught me as I was about to go food shopping but I should be back in roughly an hour :)
[21:17] <devildante> samwho, take your time :)
[21:17] <devildante> just ping me when you're done
[21:17] <samwho> Do you have IM or anything?
[21:17] <devildante> samwho, google talk
[21:17] <samwho> That's cool, I'll email you :)
[21:18] <devildante> samwho, okay :)
[21:20] <rusivi> hey major security issue with bug 10686
[21:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 10686 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "No GUI method to disable screen lock on lid close event (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 62)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10686
[21:20] <rusivi> resume from suspend does not prompt for password as per two different parties
[21:20] <rusivi> ok, maybe not major but significant...
[21:22] <charlie-tca> looking
[21:23] <rusivi> charlie-tca: just resume from suspend on my laptop got prompted for password, now trying to do so by lid closing
[21:23] <rusivi> just resume from suspend = I just resumed from suspending
[21:23] <micahg> rusivi: I don;t think a disclaimer will matter
[21:23] <rusivi> micahg: I agree
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Not security issue because the original reporter filed a wishlist bug to have a gui to disable screen locking
[21:24] <rusivi> charlie-tca: sorry bud
[21:24] <charlie-tca> His system locked automatically when suspending and he wanted to disable that
[21:24]  * micahg is off
[21:24] <rusivi> charlie-tca: misread I thought it did not
[21:26] <popey> rrittenhouse_: possibly
[21:26] <rusivi> charlie-tca: your totally right
[21:27] <charlie-tca> comment #29, it works as the user wants it to, when the lid is closed. However, gconf editor is a gui that can be used to change the behavior ( comment #19)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> I would put that back to confirmed and let the design team work it. You could tag it "usability"
[21:29] <charlie-tca> ooops
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Rather, according to the last two comments, the original bug as reported is fixed in lucid
[21:30] <charlie-tca> So, a note that the bug no longer exists as filed, if there are other options desired to lock the screen, please file a new bug.
[21:32] <charlie-tca> rusivi: You could get to close the oldest bug of the month
[21:33] <rusivi> charlie-tca: woot woot
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Good work on that one.
[21:34] <rusivi> charlie-tca: seriously, it was an example of where I was right for the wrong reason hehe
[21:46] <BUGabundo> why have so many of my OLD OLD bugs (gutsy) been marked as medium or HIGh?
[21:46] <rusivi> charlie-tca: quick follow up on bug 10686, in Maverick went into System -> Preferences Screensaver, and into System -> Power Management and could not find the option to do what the bug requester suggested. Seems we should mark as a wishlist?
[21:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 10686 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "No GUI method to disable screen lock on lid close event (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 63)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10686
[21:48] <yofel> BUGabundo: do you mean the Bug Watcher emails?
[21:49] <yofel> that one got an Importance sync feature recently and is updating all bugs whether fixed or not fixed
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:50] <charlie-tca> The only place you will find "lock screen" is in Screensaver preferences, but if you follow the procedure in comment #8, you should be able to set the options using gconf editor.
[21:50] <BUGabundo> so why aren't they EOL?
[21:50] <yofel> BUGabundo: it shouldn't touch the ubuntu task, only the upstream task on the bugs
[21:50] <maco> and its not just importance thats being updated
[21:51] <maco> LOTS of comments being added into the bug reports too
[21:51] <BUGabundo> ** Changed in: gparted
[21:51] <BUGabundo>    Importance: Unknown => Medium
[21:51] <charlie-tca> The issue as originally filed is to be able to suspend without the screen locking. Does unchecking the "lock screen" option in screensaver allow that?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137872
[21:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 137872 in gparted (Baltix) (and 5 other projects) "please add support for ext4 (affects: 9) (heat: 13)" [Undecided,New]
[21:52] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: does the baltix image have that yet?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/193195
[21:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 193195 in trickle (Debian) (and 1 other project) "trickle defaults to 10KiB/s for upload/download limits (heat: 10)" [Unknown,New]
[21:52] <charlie-tca> the english image does
[21:52] <BUGabundo> this one was fixed long ago :\
[21:53] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/206583
[21:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 206583 in libgksu (Ubuntu Hardy) (and 5 other projects) "System Monitor crashes when lowering nice value of process (affects: 34) (dups: 12) (heat: 254)" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ** Changed in: gnome-system-monitor
[21:53] <BUGabundo>    Importance: Unknown => Critical
[21:53] <BUGabundo> lol critical
[21:54] <yofel> BUGabundo: right, it's updating the *upstream* bug tracker links, there was some talk about why it didn't exclude fixed bugs though, didn't track it
[21:54] <yofel> s/track/follow/
[21:55] <charlie-tca> You kept the trickle bug active, and never commented it was fixed for you. How would they know?
[21:55]  * yofel got over 100 such mails so far...
[21:56]  * charlie-tca got over 100 too
[21:56] <BUGabundo> 167 right now :\
[21:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I did ??
[21:56] <charlie-tca> I didn't even know I was tracking so many gnumeric bugs!
[21:56] <BUGabundo> I was under the impression I did :\
[21:57] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: everytime anyone tries to close that bug, you tell them it is still valid
[21:57] <hggdh> BUGabundo: only 167? Lucky you
[21:57]  * hggdh got a few thousands
[21:57] <charlie-tca> lol
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I lost track of it in 2009
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe they got tired of closing it?
[21:58]  * BUGabundo retests
[21:59] <BUGabundo> its working
[21:59] <BUGabundo> closing
[22:00] <BUGabundo> wait... not it aint
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and now I can't test
[22:00] <BUGabundo> darn transmission
[22:01] <BUGabundo> anyone else cares to try that one ?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:05] <BUGabundo> yep, still not fixed
[22:05] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:09] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/345215
[22:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 345215 in gdm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu 8.10 running in low-graphics mode with AST2000 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Invalid]
[22:09] <BUGabundo> what should be done with this bug?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> marked as fixed?
[22:11] <yofel> BUGabundo: that's already marked as invalid
[22:13] <greg-g> and the gnome bug is "Resolved NOTGNOME"
[22:24]  * BUGabundo 100 bug mail to go
[22:28] <charlie-tca> At the rate we are going through them, that is many days, isn't it/
[22:28] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I hope I have bug mail done TONIGHT
[22:30] <BUGabundo> even if I have to delete them all
[22:30] <BUGabundo> jk jk
[22:30] <rusivi> bug 12613 should be set to low importance due to other alternative packages available
[22:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 12613 in xpdf (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Xpdf renders really slow, non-responsive (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12613
[22:31] <rusivi> that work waayyyyyy better (no offense if any devs for xpdf here)
[22:31] <charlie-tca> rusivi: actually, the importance for the xpdf (Ubuntu) is already set.
[22:31] <rusivi> charlie-tca: I'm suggesting reset it to low
[22:31] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:32] <rusivi> charlie-tca: super-cede the remote tracker
[22:32] <charlie-tca> no
[22:32] <rusivi> charlie-tca: k np
[22:32] <charlie-tca> the remote tracker will set it's own importance. We only set it for Ubuntu sources
[22:32] <charlie-tca> but, you are right, low is valid for us
[22:32] <rusivi> charlie-tca: sorry miscommunication i'm saying low on the ubuntu part only
[22:33] <rusivi> charlie-tca: I thought that the remote tracker places the same importance on the ubuntu part as the remote part
[22:33] <charlie-tca> No, we set the ??? (Ubuntu) status and importance.
[22:33] <rusivi> k
[22:34] <charlie-tca> done
[22:34] <rusivi> ty!
[22:52] <rusivi> bug 15019 should be marked as "won't fix" if he wants to downgrade his entire distro he should install an older version then :P
[22:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 15019 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Difficulty downgrading packages with dependencies (affects: 5) (heat: 36)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15019
[22:53] <rusivi> he can use virtualbox or whaver virtualization program-dejure
[22:53] <rusivi> whaver = whatever
[22:54] <yofel> IMHO this should be possible anyway, ok, with ppa-purge in the archive now we have one use-case less, but I don't see why it should be won't fix
[22:54] <micahg> rusivi: not your call, the maintainer accepted it
[22:55] <rusivi> k np
[22:55] <rusivi> micahg: would it be unpro to respectfully mention my belief on virtualization?
[22:56] <micahg> rusivi: well, sometimes an upgrade breaks things and a downgrade helps
[22:56] <rusivi> I have experienced the opposite of him, I tried to cheat a little by downloading more updated packages for Ubuntu in Debian then install in Maverick/Lucid
[22:56] <rusivi> then package dependency issue
[22:57] <micahg> comment 5 is a good example
[22:57] <micahg> test proposed and find a bug and want to downgrade
[22:57] <micahg> rusivi: I thought you were going to stop touching confirmed bugs
[22:57] <rusivi> micahg: uhhhh I did?!
[22:57] <micahg> oh, this is old
[22:58] <micahg> sorry
[22:58] <rusivi> np
[22:58] <rusivi> ty for 2x'ing
[23:00] <rusivi> but bug 15019 boiled down to user error but still marks an important issue that do we make it "easy" to downgrade parts/portion of the OS, I firmly believe no due to well documented alternatives.
[23:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 15019 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Difficulty downgrading packages with dependencies (affects: 5) (heat: 36)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15019
[23:01] <rusivi> IMO, there's only so much to cater too that's not one of them
[23:02] <micahg> rusivi: that's why it's low importance
[23:02] <micahg> it's wanted, but no one has time ATM, so opportunistic developer can supply a patch
[23:03] <rusivi> micahg: ahhh k np
[23:04] <micahg> rusivi: we have a great use case in people testing -proposed (Debian also has this)
[23:06] <rusivi> micahg: np I adopted your perspective on it
[23:22] <rusivi> quick question on bug 18125 when the package bugged hasn't been added to since Hardy is this a Invalid/Won't Fix?
[23:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18125 in hwdb-client (Ubuntu) "hwdb raises Exception when looking up route (dups: 11) (heat: 105)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18125
[23:23] <rusivi> Or does it stay open for server hardy/dapper?
[23:23] <rusivi> open = as is
[23:25] <charlie-tca> If it is fixed in maverick, it can be closed
[23:26] <charlie-tca> We can mark it fix-released, as long it is is fixed in maverick
[23:26] <yofel> charlie-tca: rmadison hwdb-client:
[23:26] <yofel> hwdb-client | 0.6-0ubuntu10 |        dapper | source, all
[23:26] <yofel> hwdb-client |     0.6.14 | hardy/universe | source
[23:26] <yofel> the package doesn't exist since hardy
[23:26] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:26] <yofel> and even there it was removed it seems
[23:26] <charlie-tca> oh
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Then it should still be invalid now
[23:27] <yofel> agreed
[23:31] <rusivi> charlie-tca / yofel: Would you like me to mark as invalid?
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Sure
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Make sure you comment why, though
[23:33] <rusivi> charlie-tca: i'm a little lost no such package in Maverick?
[23:33] <rusivi> name@name-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy hwdb N: Unable to locate package hwdb name@name-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy hwdb-gui N: Unable to locate package hwdb-gui name@name-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy hwdb-client N: Unable to locate package hwdb-client
[23:33] <charlie-tca> The package was removed from Hardy 8.04 and all future versions of Ubuntu to date.
[23:34] <rusivi> charlie-tca I don't understand what comments in input for "invalid"
[23:34] <charlie-tca> The package was removed from Hardy 8.04 and all future versions of Ubuntu to date. Therefore this bug is being closed. Without this package, this is no longer an issue
[23:34] <rusivi> charlie-tca: I need a spoon feed moment if you don't mind
[23:34] <charlie-tca> no problem
[23:35] <Nafallo> ehrm, isn't hwdb renamed to checkbox?
[23:35] <rusivi> idk
[23:35] <rusivi> never heard of either
[23:35] <charlie-tca> checkbox is automatic testing, hwdb was ???
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I thought a hardware listing
[23:36] <rusivi> checkbox looks fancy though as I look at it
[23:36] <Nafallo> the first desktop testing thing. playing sounds and asking the user if they heard it and stuff like that.
[23:36] <charlie-tca> It's okay. The issue has not surfaced in any version since hardy
[23:37] <charlie-tca> We can still close with that comment. If it is a problem in checkbox, that is a new bug
[23:37] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[23:38] <Nafallo> I just skimmed my channels and thought I'd give the little input I had on the subject ;-)
[23:38] <rusivi> charlie-tca: so the comment you think is good "This package was removed from Hardy 8.04 and all future versions of Ubuntu to date. Therefore this bug is being closed. Without this package, this is no longer an issue."
[23:38] <charlie-tca> That will work
[23:41] <rusivi> done
[23:58] <rusivi> Regarding bug 18593 do we mark Invalid for the same reasons as bug 18125 ?
[23:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18593 in vnc (Ubuntu) "[vnc] can't find fixed font (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18593
[23:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18125 in hwdb-client (Ubuntu) "hwdb raises Exception when looking up route (dups: 11) (heat: 107)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18125


[13:30] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h_: I saw your wine tweet, thought you might have input
[13:30] <ColonelPanic001> if I like merlot, and I like shiraz even more, and I don't really like sweet wines (which shouldn't be a surprise after that first part), what else should I try?
[13:32] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: so I'd see if you like comlex or simpler wines and try out an aged cab (7yr or older) and things like a red zinfandel and pinot (start with something from williamette valley OR)
[13:32] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: if you're feeling brave find a bordeaux and see how that goes over on you. It'll be more complex and interesting
[13:32] <ColonelPanic001> cool, thanks.
[13:33] <rick_h_> make sure to try a couple and pay attention that the area isn't just 'california' but an actual region at least
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> I like dry reds, but rarely drink wine because I like dry reds and hate sweet whites, and my wife is the polar opposite
[13:33] <rick_h_> so you can get a feel for where vs 'we've pulled a bunch of graped together'
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> "an unattended backyard"
[13:33] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: heh, can understand that. My wife likes more complex things and I like more single grape types
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> I have a very unrefined sense for wine, I don't think I'll be hard to please
[13:34] <rick_h_> heh, it takes time
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> meh, I don't mind. Makes it cheaper.
[13:34] <rick_h_> it started for me with a wine tasting at a vineyard in VA and I started to find words to put to things I did and did not like
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I'm there with beer
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> very frequently run into the problem of not enough vocabulary
[13:35] <rick_h_> I hear there's a few good vineyards in MI, but I've not found any yet I care for. Not that I've been to a ton.
[13:35] <rick_h_> right, I know what I like enough with US based stuff, then I go to europe and don't know enough since french/italians are all setup by region names/etc.
[13:36] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: but that pic is a vineyard in CA I love their pinot so they send a few bottles a few times a year
[13:36] <ColonelPanic001> nice
[13:36] <rick_h_> so if you find something you love, check out where it came from. prices are better and nothing like having it delivered hah!
[13:39] <ColonelPanic001> cool, thanks
[13:39] <rick_h_> np
[13:39] <rick_h_> always happy to chat wine :)
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> \o
[14:04] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: trader joes, 2 buck chuck.
[14:04] <rick_h_> bah
[14:04] <rick_h_> that's not what it was anyway
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> Trader Joe's is a small journey from me
[14:09] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: I find the Merlots are where I find peace
[14:09] <cmaloney> JoDee doesn't like Shiraz much
[14:09] <cmaloney> Malbec might be something to try as well
[14:10] <cmaloney> Though I don't find it as good as Merlot
[14:10] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Thoughts on Port?
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> I've only had port once or twice. It's a little sweet, but I like it
[14:14] <cmaloney> Dow's Ruby Red Port is a consistent favorite
[14:14] <cmaloney> not too sweet, not too leathery
[14:20] <jrwren> is it port?
[14:20] <jrwren> mmm... Port!!!
[14:21] <jrwren> I have only had one port that I didn't like, and it was 15yrs ago. Maybe my tastes changed.
[14:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: you doing CHC? thinking of heading down but won't get there until 9
[14:55] <brousch> rick_h_: have you made it to SW MI wineries yet?
[14:55] <rick_h_> brousch: no, there was a wine tasting event that had a lot of places bringing their stuff in, mostly from traverse city
[15:45] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I think so, but today is a little screwball
[15:45] <cmaloney> dad-Baker got out of the nursing home and we're at his neurology appt right now
[15:46] <cmaloney> Traverse City tends to make more fruit-wines than grape wines
[15:46] <cmaloney> which taste like crap
[15:48] <rick_h_> cmaloney: +1 on the fruit wine
[15:48] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, let me know how the day goys. Good luck at the apt
[15:49] <cmaloney> Thanks
[21:54] <brousch> I love cherry wines
[22:15] <cmaloney> Might as well drink Jaegermeister
[22:15] <cmaloney> better tasting than cherry wines
[22:16] <dzho> my finely honed detectors sense a difference of opinion.
[22:18] <dzho> I think you should each send a bottle of your top 3 favorite alcohol beverages for me to adjudicate the issue
[22:47] <rick_h_> hah
[22:47] <rick_h_> one way to go abouy it
[22:47] <rick_h_> about
[22:52] <greg-g> someone's already into their new delivery of wine :)


[00:05] <philipballew> !vpn
[00:14] <webPragmatist> how do i address this sendmail error
[00:14] <webPragmatist> WARNING: local host name (...) is not qualified
[00:17] <webPragmatist> weird
[00:18] <Mum29> Change your hostname maybe
[00:18] <Mum29> Check the server is connected to the net as well
[00:26] <webPragmatist> Mum29: ya that was it… now i am having a differred error
[00:26] <Mum29> Post it
[00:26] <webPragmatist> i can send to like my google domain but i can't send to the localdomain i am sending from
[00:26] <webPragmatist> http://pastie.textmate.org/private/bv6glytvvaaaj6csxbxqwg
[00:26] <Mum29> send to localdomain from local domain, that sounds a bit strange
[00:26] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: any reason you're using sendmail ?
[00:27] <webPragmatist> kinda just because it was the first thing i got working
[00:28] <Mum29> I use a external mail service for all our mail needs, 2-3 bucks a month and you can remove all mail stuff from the server and use its ressources for better stuff
[00:28] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: sendmail does not get much favor with ubuntu. Most users prefer postfix or exim
[00:28] <SpamapS> Mum29: many programs still want to run /usr/bin/sendmail instead of connect to an external SMTP server
[00:28] <SpamapS> Mum29: tho for that, there's ssmtp. :)
[00:29] <Mum29> extra s in there than im used too. google is good
[00:29] <Mum29> Sure, but i get no errors in the logs about. the php scripts i use works with smtp server and pw
[00:30] <Mum29> Btw while im here, something i wanted to ask some experts about for a long time. I run this command on all my setups. Sometimes with imagick, apc or xcache, but stream downed it looks like this.
[00:30] <Mum29> sudo apt-get install apache2 curl mcrypt mysql-common mysql-client mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql phpmyadmin php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common php5-cli php5-cgi php5-curl php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php-pear
[00:31] <Mum29> Is there something thats not needed in there or something i can do to optimise the setup on a command level ?
[00:37] <webPragmatist> SpamapS: ah this is much easier to setup
[00:39] <webPragmatist> mor importantly it works heh
[00:39] <SpamapS> Mum29: mysql-common is not needed, it will be pulled in by mysql-client and mysql-server
[00:39] <Mum29> Thx SpamapS
[00:39] <SpamapS> Mum29: also why do you have php5-cgi?
[00:40] <SpamapS> anyway, time to disconnect from the net for a while and experience the "real" world. :)
[00:40] <Mum29> Not really sure. phpBB3 or wordpress wont really need it. Oh and i have that a2seXX something for .htaccess
[00:40]  * SpamapS disappears
[00:40] <Mum29> Enjoy
[00:40] <l0n> mum29, prob not what you're after but, if you use a simpler list e.g. install apache2, you can combine it with --no-install-recommends to only install the min packages needed
[00:42] <Mum29> Mm not a bad idea, even though i think the software i run needs most of it. but php info has alot of versions of software. That command wont not install of those. Just the apt-get packages that apache2 nornally includes
[00:44] <l0n> yeah, you would have to use --no-install-recommends on all the major packages to see if you're adding anything that isn't needed
[00:46] <Mum29> wouldt apt-get apache2 mysql-server --no-install-recommends do that on all packages included in the comman ?
[00:48] <l0n> not sure, give it a go, it should ask you to confirm before actually doing anything so you can have a look at the packages before it installs
[00:50] <Mum29> Sure forgot that, but thanks didnt think of that option
[05:11] <kaushal> Hi
[05:11] <kaushal> Any clue about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/747876/ ?
[05:12] <kaushal> this server also has high %wa
[05:12] <TimR> does anybody know how I can test a dial up modem inside command line?
[05:12] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[05:12] <kaushal> is it due to failing Hard Drive issue ?
[05:13] <kaushal> 10.04.1 LTS
[05:14] <patdk-lap> well %wa says your disks aren't responding quick enough
[05:14] <patdk-lap> what your paste is, I dunno
[05:14] <kaushal> is there a way to find out which process hogs high %wa ?
[05:15] <patdk-lap> ever think about trying smartdrv on your disks to check them?
[05:15] <kaushal> ok
[05:15] <twb> TimR: screen /dev/ttyS0 115200, send an ATZ
[05:16] <kaushal> patdk-lap: smartdrv ?
[05:16] <patdk-lap> in smartmontools I think
[05:16] <l0n> kaushal, you can see disk usage by getting the kernel to log it using sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump"
[05:16] <kaushal> l0n: ok
[05:17] <l0n> but only leave it going for a little bit if you have high %wa
[05:17] <l0n> disable it by echoing 0
[05:17] <kaushal> so do i need to look for dmesg after running sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" ?
[05:17] <l0n> prob would appear in dmesg output but I normally look at /var/log/messages
[05:17] <kaushal> ok
[05:19] <l0n> also, with smartmontools, if you can't see anything obviously wrong, run a long test
[05:20] <kaushal> l0n: sure and thanks
[05:25] <l0n> On a side note, if anyone is looking for a really good script to show disk usage per process, this looks really good although I haven't personally tried it: http://www.zarafa.com/wiki/index.php/Monitoring_Disk_IO_per_process
[05:27]  * patdk-lap just uses iotop
[05:27]  * patdk-lap continues the rsync, that just won't end
[05:27] <greppy> TimR: minicom should let you test a modem.
[05:28] <patdk-lap> I figure it will take rsync a month atleast to copy this data
[05:29] <l0n> I've had problems with iotop because of it using a certain verison of python, not sure if that was on Ubuntu though
[05:29] <patdk-lap> problems?
[05:30] <patdk-lap> the only issue I have ever had, was attempting to use it on old dead kernels, and I have discontinued them
[05:31] <l0n> yeah, don't think old kernels had the ability to monitor disk usage but issues I've had is that it just doesn't work because of some issue with python
[05:31] <patdk-lap> some issue with python? I don't use python
[05:31] <patdk-lap> :)
[05:31] <l0n> iotop uses python :)
[05:36] <TimR> does anybody know how to install the drivers for the intel 537ep chip set dial up modem
[05:37] <twb> patdk-lap: I use iostat fwiw
[05:37] <twb> greppy: you don't need minicom; screen is (probably) already installed, and can speak serial all on its own
[05:40] <dork> hi
[05:53] <DanaG> har, in many times, it's faster to ship a hard drive than to send over the internet.
[05:54] <twb> DanaG: that has been the case since 1963
[06:14] <dork> hi
[07:01] <kaushal> patdk-lap: hi again
[07:02] <kaushal> i see flush-8:0              468      19792          2      19790          0 sda1
[07:02] <kaushal> in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/747924/
[07:02] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[08:47] <Puck`> hi everyone
[08:48] <Puck`> could anyone send me off to some documentation where I could read about setting up ubuntu server with media playback capabilities? I want to play a stream on the server, no X
[08:49] <twb> mplayer -vo null -ao alsa foo.mp3
[08:49] <twb> Or mpd or xmms2
[08:50] <Puck`> hmm, thank you twb
[08:50] <twb> mpd is simple, xmms2 is flexible
[08:50] <Puck`> I'll go with mpd then
[08:50] <twb> mplayer and vlc are more if you just want to play a file now, mpd/xmms2 are more about wanting a playlist
[08:51] <Puck`> I want to plaay a stream, icecast one
[08:51] <twb> streamripper then, perhaps
[08:51] <twb> Or just mplayer -playlist http://example.net/foo.m3u
[08:51] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/radio is what I do, specifically
[08:51] <Puck`> that'll do, I think I just messed up, I installed mplayer with everything, so I think Gnome is being installed now, mhm, no worries, I'll start from the beginning
[08:52] <twb> mplayer builds on ubuntu are probably stupid
[08:52] <twb> my mplayer stuff is on debian so I'm not sure
[08:52] <koolhead11> hi all
[08:53] <Puck`> maybe I'll go with a debian netinstallation, which package do I need to be able to hear the sound?   Does the preseed file have a finite length? Does it get downloaded on the system for me to interrogate to see if its got all the right stuff in?
[11:06] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: you have to check via syslog
[11:06] <koolhead11> atleast that is what i used while using preseed and deploying the stuff
[11:10] <uksysadmin> yeah /var/log/installer/syslog - just doesn't have anything abotu any command being run.  it could be because of an extra \ I added for some reason... just trying again.  23rd time's a charm.
[11:12] <uksysadmin> I'm nearly there with what I wanted to achieve though - 1) to understand pxebooting and preseeding with Ubuntu and 2) booting a new nova-compute node using this process
[11:13] <uksysadmin> I'll then look at whether or not its the "right way" to do this... I do feel compelled to get this working by doing juju stuff.
[11:13] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: but you can do the same using Juju
[11:13] <koolhead11> instead late command in preseed
[11:13] <uksysadmin> do you have an example - would love to see how it gets done.
[11:17] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure :D
[11:19]  * uksysadmin has no response to the RTFM ;-)
[11:21] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: in that case you will keep hitting against wall, can`t help sirr. :D
[11:22] <uksysadmin> no - its good! Thanks!
[11:23] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: i remember my 1st night at IRC i been told more than 7 times RTFM and i never knew what it meant, google was not there and yahoo search could not answer me well. :P
[11:24] <uksysadmin> :)
[11:25] <uksysadmin> well my scripts and preseed now all work
[11:25] <uksysadmin> (extra \ in late command bit)
[11:25] <uksysadmin> I can now boot extra compute nodes! :)
[11:25] <uksysadmin> now to destroy all that and do it the proper way
[11:25] <koolhead11> uksysadmin: bahhhhh.
[11:25]  * koolhead11 kicks uksysadmin
[11:31] <uksysadmin> bbl
[12:22]  * koolhead11 planning 4 beer meditation.
[12:50] <linocisco> hi. who is using Zentyal server. ?? is a renamed version of Ebox based on ubuntu
[12:55] <linocisco> I would like somebody to share real experience of Zentyal
[12:57] <lool> RoAkSoAx: Hey, cobbler-common ships a template in /exists; this seems to be a typo in the .install file
[13:01] <koolhead11> I don't need VT enabled h/w to run LXC, correct me if am wrong.
[13:05] <lool> RoAkSoAx: fix uploaded
[13:56] <RoAkSoAx> lool yes it was a typo thanks for taking care of it
[13:57] <zul> good morning
[14:06] <lynxman> zul: good morning sir
[14:06] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: morning to you too ;)
[14:07] <zul> hey lynxman
[15:01] <Khas> Hello.  I'm running a server with a public IP, and I'm trying to set up a bridge for openvpn.  Is this possible, or do I need an intermediate virtual interface to do the DHCP for the vpn?
[15:08] <SpamapS> Khas: the server has a real IP on one interface, and a non-routable IP on the other?
[15:13] <Khas> There is only one interface current, eht0, with a public IP.
[15:13] <qman__> you have to have somewhere to VPN to
[15:13] <Khas> Ah yes, sorry.
[15:13] <Khas> That will be tap0
[15:13] <qman__> no, as in somewhere to reach with the VPN
[15:13] <Khas> So what I've read suggests creating br0 between tap0 and eth0
[15:13] <qman__> you can't VPN to the internet
[15:13] <Khas> Ah I see.
[15:13] <qman__> well, you could, but it would be pointless
[15:14] <qman__> what is it you're actually trying to achieve?
[15:15] <Khas> I've got a routed vpn set up just now, but I want the server to use dnsmasq to issue the VPN addresses (<IP_ADDRESS>/24).
[15:15] <Khas> Then I can set it up so I can access the machines behind the VPN with host.vpn.mydomain.com
[15:15] <qman__> I mean overall, what scenario is this trying to solve?
[15:16] <qman__> a machine with only one interface, directly on the internet, has nowhere to VPN to, it's a bit silly
[15:16] <Khas> Roadwarrior setup where I can access each remote machines with a name.
[15:17] <Khas> Ah no, you are confused.
[15:17] <Khas> The server is the VPN server.
[15:17] <Khas> It is what everything else VPNs -to-.
[15:17] <qman__> ok, that makes more sense
[15:17] <Khas> So it creates a tap0 that listens for incoming connections.
[15:18] <Khas> I need to bridge that tap0 to eth0 to get out on the the internet.
[15:18] <qman__> but, in that case, unless I'm mistaken, you need to use routed VPN to create the network the machines communicate on
[15:18] <Khas> But I want br0 and each vpn client to be issued a LAN IP by dnsmasq
[15:18] <Khas> Nah, layer 2 bridging works too.
[15:18] <Khas> Here's the method I'm following: http://maverick.homelinux.net/blog/?p=196
[15:18] <greppy> do you really need a bridge, or just an iptables nat?
[15:19] <SpamapS> Khas: so it has one eth0, with a real and a fake address?
[15:19] <Khas> eth0 only has one address, which is real.
[15:19] <SpamapS> Khas: I'm trying to figure out where these servers are
[15:19] <qman__> you need to have some interface with the VPN address on it
[15:19] <qman__> real or virtual
[15:20] <Khas> At present, using routing, tun0 is created with the LAN address
[15:20] <Khas> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:20] <Khas> <IP_ADDRESS> even.  This is using the standard ubuntu openvpn howto
[15:21] <qman__> but using tap, the tap interface doesn't get an IP
[15:21] <qman__> you need to bridge to the 'internal' interface, whether that's eth1 or a virtual interface like eth0:1
[15:22] <SpamapS> you can't really bridge onto an alias.. since they'd have the same MAC
[15:22] <qman__> true
[15:22] <qman__> I don't see this working with a tap/bridged configuration
[15:23] <Khas> Well that was my original question, do I need an intermediate virtual interface to make it work.
[15:23] <Khas> At present, I can ifup br0, but then the server doesn't respond to any connections heh
[15:24] <qman__> I think you should stick with tun/routed and just route whatever it is you need to get through
[15:24] <SpamapS> Khas: explain where you want the packets to flow.. is it.. from the internet to your VPN clients?
[15:26] <Khas> Ok.  I have a machine, zeus, which is my home machine.  It connects to the vpn, and uses tunneling to tunnel all traffic through the vpn.  However, I may want to access some services on zeus from outside.  I would like to access them through zeus.mydomain.com for example/.
[15:27] <Khas> The easiest way to do that is to use dnsmasq to maintain the list of LAN IP > hostnames.
[15:27] <Khas> To get dnsmasq to do that, it needs to provide the LAN IPs, -not- OpenVPN
[15:27] <Khas> Which requires a layer 2 openvpn connection.
[15:28] <qman__> I don't know if what you want is possible without a second interface
[15:28] <Khas> Which is why I was following that blog entry I posted. :-)
[15:28] <qman__> I do know that untangle can use DHCP reservations for openVPN clients
[15:28] <Khas> Well technically tap0 is the virtual interface to the VPN
[15:28] <qman__> which you could then use static DNS or hosts files
[15:29] <Khas> I'm not sure how many clients may eventually connect to my vpn though
[15:29] <Khas> Which is why I'd like it dynamic.
[15:29] <qman__> you have to hand out keys for each client anyway
[15:29] <SpamapS> Khas: so dnsmasq would be running on zeus, to help you access.. zeus? And all clients would be sending their DNS queries accross the VPN to zeus?
[15:30] <qman__> setting up a DHCP reservation could be done at the same time, in the same script
[15:30] <Khas> No. zeus is a client.  Call the server olympos or something :-P
[15:31] <Khas> qman__: you don't need to use separate keys.
[15:31] <Khas> It's preferable to, but you don't have to.
[15:32] <SpamapS> jibel: I responded to bug 894377 ...
[15:32] <SpamapS> jibel: I think the test needs to be changed to test 5.5
[15:55] <cr3> I see cloud images for precise on AWS but there's no http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/, at what point should there be cloud images for precise there?
[16:08] <jibel> SpamapS, in mail.log there is "main.log:2011-11-24 12:35:04,955 DEBUG Upgrade [...] mysql-common mysql-server mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server-core-5.1 [...]" so I think it upgrades mysql-server or is there something with the resolver ?
[16:08] <jibel> *main.log
[16:47] <SpamapS> jibel: Not sure. Where could I find the test code?
[16:54] <jibel> SpamapS, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/update-manager/precise/files/head:/AutoUpgradeTester/, good luck with that ;)
[16:54] <jibel> SpamapS, rather than spending hours on the code, let me know if I can do further testing
[16:55] <SpamapS> wait what?
[17:03] <zul> jamespage: lemme know when you are around
[17:03] <jamespage> zul: I am but not for long
[17:03] <zul> jamespage: alright ill bug you tomorrow then
[17:03] <jamespage> zul: OK
[17:15] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:25] <sKeiths> i can't boot my server anymore after an upgrade. its exactly like a forum poster http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1690498. his solution involved purging and redoing grub, but in the article on howto purge grub it says first to check boot info script for obvios discrepancies. my problem is i wouldn't know what to look for as discrepancies so i uploaded results http://paste.ubuntu.com/748402/
[17:26] <SpamapS> jibel: ahh, ok, I think this is just a transition problem ... mysql-server-5.1 won't exist in 12.04
[17:55] <eagles0513875> !xen
[17:56] <eagles0513875> thats where the documentation is O_o
[17:57] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: lol morning.. im off today its thanksgiving here
[17:59] <eagles0513875> anyone have xen running on 11.10
[18:27] <sKeiths> hmm, i still have no idea what i am doing. i removed legacy grub and installed grub2. now i reboot and only get to a grub> prompt. i type ls and i can see my Node2-root. how do i command grub to boot from that location?
[18:36] <linocisco> is there any documentation for enterprise level server deployment guide for windows users ?
[18:41] <genii-around> linocisco: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/  is a good overall guide no matter what OS you are coming from
[18:41] <linocisco> genii-around: I am sorry. thanks anyway you dont get it.
[18:42] <linocisco> genii-around: I am meaning to deploy enterprise servers at back end and windows clients at front end
[18:43] <genii-around> I believe that's covered in Chapter 17
[18:46] <linocisco> genii-around: As far as I know, samba PDCs are able to support only 500 users , right ??
[18:50] <genii-around> I'm not sure of the top-end limit. Are you running the Windows boxes as thin clients or are they standalone?
[18:51] <patdk-lap> heh? your still running nt 4.0?
[18:57] <linocisco> genii-around: they are standalone. but at least XP version and above. Not NT or Not 3.11
[18:57] <genii-around> I think NT still had bottom count of 3,000 or so
[18:58] <linocisco> btw, how to paste image here ??
[18:58] <genii-around> As far as I know there is no upper limit for users, just whatever your physical hardware can support serving simultaneously.
[18:59] <linocisco> I mean upload site like pastebin.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <genii-around> Probably to use imagebin.org
[19:01] <linocisco> genii-around:  thanks
[19:41] <mstaessen> Hi All!
[19:41] <koo1> hey
[19:41] <mstaessen> Could somebody help me? I want to set up two NICS on a single ubuntu server machine
[19:42] <mstaessen> but when i try to bing up eth1, I get a RTNETLINK File exists message
[19:42] <mstaessen> eth1 never comes up
[19:43] <mstaessen> $ sudo ifup eth1
[19:43] <mstaessen>     ==> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[19:43] <mstaessen> Failed to bring up eth1.
[19:44] <mstaessen> I have no clue and I can't seem to find anything useful on the internet...
[19:46] <l0n> mstaessen, Google says: "ifdown eth1:1; ifdown eth1; ifup eth1"
[19:46] <mstaessen> It's not a virtual interface
[19:47] <mstaessen> so this does not apply, I guess
[19:47] <l0n> well, try doing an ifdown then ifup
[19:47] <l0n> just a straight ifdown eth1 rather than eth1:1
[19:47] <mstaessen> then I get
[19:47] <mstaessen> sudo ifdown eth1
[19:47] <mstaessen> ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
[19:47] <mstaessen> which seems logical as it is never brought up
[19:48] <l0n> idd, that's fine, now try ifuping
[19:48] <mstaessen> but then again, I can't bring it up :)
[19:48] <mstaessen> sudo ifup eth1
[19:48] <mstaessen> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[19:48] <mstaessen> Failed to bring up eth1.
[19:48] <patdk-lap> try doing an ifconfig eth1 down, first
[19:48] <patdk-lap> maybe the status file exist saying it's up
[19:49] <mstaessen> sudo ifconfig eth1 down && sudo ifup eth1
[19:49] <mstaessen> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[19:49] <mstaessen> Failed to bring up eth1.
[19:49] <mstaessen> Just the same...
[19:49] <l0n> are you able to bring it up manually using ifconfig?
[19:49] <mstaessen> you mean running ifconfig eth1 up?
[19:50] <rmozden> I have a complex dns question to ask.   I've set up dns internally on this box that also acts as my nat router.  The internet facing is supposed to have a .us address and internally I'm using .int as the domain suffix.
[19:50] <l0n> no, something like 'ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>'
[19:50] <mstaessen> ok, I'll try
[19:51] <rmozden> basically, how do I tell my server that it also has wolverine as the sub-domain name within the lookup/reverse lookup?
[19:52] <mstaessen> I ran 'sudo ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up' but it did not come up
[19:52] <l0n> try without the up at the end, you just want to set the IP, that should be enough to bring it up
[19:52] <mstaessen> ok
[19:54] <mstaessen> sudo ifup eth1
[19:54] <mstaessen> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
[19:55] <rmozden> what does ifconfig show currently?  Is eth1 listed?
[19:56] <rmozden> my other question to that would be ( since I came in late) is this a laptop?
[19:56] <mstaessen> eth1 is indeed listed
[19:56] <mstaessen> it's an ubuntu server with two NICs
[19:57] <l0n> is the IP listed under eth1?
[19:57] <mstaessen> it an HP Proliant ;)
[19:57] <l0n> that you configured using ifconfig
[19:57] <mstaessen> yes it is
[19:57] <l0n> can you ping it?
[19:57] <rmozden> then the adapter is live already and cannot be brought to an up status
[19:57] <mstaessen> from localhost or another machine?
[19:58] <l0n> another machine
[19:59] <mstaessen> I cannot from another machine, but I can from localhost
[19:59] <mstaessen> there also is no entry of eth1 in /etc/network/run
[20:00] <mstaessen> btw, this is my routing table
[20:00] <mstaessen> route -n
[20:00] <mstaessen> Kernel IP routing table
[20:00] <mstaessen> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[20:00] <mstaessen> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth0
[20:00] <mstaessen> <IP_ADDRESS>      <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS> U     0      0        0 eth0
[20:00] <mstaessen> <IP_ADDRESS>  <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS> U     0      0        0 eth1
[20:00] <mstaessen> should I remove the  last entry before bringing up eth1?
[20:01] <l0n> well it's already up you've just done it manually, I just wanted to make sure that would work
[20:02] <l0n> not sure why you can't ping it remotely, I would imagine that's related to something else
[20:04] <mstaessen> Probably the firewall then... :s
[20:05] <mstaessen> but I don't have access to that machine. D'oh!
[20:09] <l0n> well, you'll prob want to have another look at why ifup isn't working whilst you're waiting for the firewall changes. It would be quite annoying if you had to manually bring it up post rebooting
[20:09] <mstaessen> true that
[20:09] <l0n> actually that's a good point, you might want to try rebooting and see what happens, might even fix the problem
[20:10] <mstaessen> do you have any ideas?
[20:10] <mstaessen> what's the command to remove a route from the routing table? when I execute 'route del -net <IP_ADDRESS>' I get an error
[20:11] <l0n> what's the error that you get?
[20:12] <mstaessen> SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument
[20:12] <mstaessen> no idea what that means :D
[20:13] <l0n> try 'route del -net <IP_ADDRESS>/29'
[20:15] <mstaessen> Now I get route: netmask doesn't match route address
[20:15] <mstaessen> which it should ... :s
[20:15] <patdk-lap> no that is /28
[20:16] <patdk-lap> .252 is /29
[20:16] <mstaessen> no, 248 is /29 ;)
[20:17] <patdk-lap> hmm
[20:17]  * patdk-lap needs to finish waking up
[20:17] <patdk-lap> been half asleep all day
[20:17] <mstaessen> lol :)
[20:17] <mstaessen> Anyway, I find it strange I cannot delete that route
[20:17] <l0n> I have to use calc when I do it regardless of how awake I am :(
[20:17] <l0n> idd, that's odd and that error msg makes no sense
[20:18] <TimR> can anybody tell me how to get my dial up modem to work on my server? because I tried on the forum and not getting help.
[20:18] <mstaessen> however, when I ifconfig eth1 down, the route disappears
[20:18] <l0n> maybe you have to do 'route del -net <IP_ADDRESS>/29 eth1'
[20:18] <TimR> i am using Conexant dial up modem on ubuntu 10.04.3 lts with Linux 2.6.32-35-generic on i686
[20:18] <mstaessen> Hey, that did it! :D
[20:19] <l0n> ahh, so it defaults to eth0
[20:19] <rmozden> Did anyone see my dns question?
[20:19] <patdk-lap> rmozden, the one that makes no sense? :)
[20:21] <koo1> kinda serverish question : how do i get programs like mc and finch play well with a monochrome crt? i tried "mono" at boot, some parameter for byobu...no change
[20:22] <koo1> setting term=vt100 obviously cked up the keyboard
[20:23] <mstaessen> l0n, when I do 'sudo route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>/29 gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth1' I get "SIOCADDRT: No such process". Does that makes sense to you?
[20:24] <TimR> does anybody know?
[20:24] <rmozden> patdk-lap, I'm trying to hardcode the dns both internally and externally ( this is a permiter machine)
[20:25] <rmozden> hostname is set to wolverine.mozden.us but I had to use my registrars dns to point it to the ip.  The ISP says they have put the record in on their dns but revers lookup is wrong
[20:26] <rmozden> Internally I'm doing a smarthost to point to this machine for admin logs etc and just trying to make sure that it resolves appropriately.
[20:26] <l0n> I don't think it makes much sense to do that, you're trying to add a gateway for your local network, you prob want something more like: 'route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth0'
[20:27] <l0n> unless you have different gateways for different networks
[20:27] <patdk-lap> rmozden, you want your external ip to display your dns name?
[20:27] <mstaessen> l0n, ok
[20:27] <mstaessen> it doesn't really matter which gateway it uses
[20:27] <rmozden> patdk-lap, Correct.  I want it to resolve proper from inside and out
[20:28] <patdk-lap> then you have to ask your isp that owns that ip to change it
[20:28] <rmozden> supposedly they did
[20:28] <patdk-lap> what ip?
[20:28] <rmozden> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:29] <patdk-lap> it works
[20:29] <patdk-lap> they have a 1day ttl
[20:29] <patdk-lap> so it will likely take a day for you to see the change
[20:30] <rmozden> it doesnt resolve that way from their newtwork
[20:30] <rmozden> but at least from outside  to the server it works
[20:30] <patdk-lap> cause the old entry is cached on their servers
[20:30] <patdk-lap> and it will take a day to flush it out
[20:30] <rmozden> it's been like that for months
[20:31] <patdk-lap> what happens when you do a, dig -x <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:32] <rmozden> maybe they finally fixed it after my last call to them
[20:32] <rmozden> looks that way anyhow
[20:33] <rmozden> now to go deal with the other 5 addresses - lol
[20:33] <rmozden> thx for the help
[20:34] <TimR> does anybody know how to setup a dial up modem on 10.04.3lts?
[20:34] <rmozden> Oh, while I'm thinking of addresses, is there anyway of doing the ifcfg-netblk on ubunto for a block of addresses o am I stuck entering them all in manual?
[20:36] <RoyK> TimR: with ppp?
[20:37] <RoyK> TimR: or what do you want to do? zmodem transfer? chat?
[20:37] <TimR> well see the modem doesnt apper to show up
[20:37] <TimR> im trying to create a dial up server
[20:37] <RoyK> TimR: install minicom
[20:38] <RoyK> TimR: with minicom, you should be able to dialup manually, when that works, try to setup ppp if that's what you need
[20:38] <RoyK> TimR: do you mean IP over modem?
[20:38] <patdk-lap> I think he wants to setup a upstart script for the modem, that runs ppp
[20:38] <TimR> I am trying to create dial up server
[20:38] <TimR> well the modem isnt installed from what I am seeing
[20:38] <koo1> does nobody use monochrome crts anymore?
[20:39] <RoyK> TimR: a dial up server can be a lot of things...
[20:39] <TimR> I am trying to be dial up ISP
[20:39] <RoyK> TimR: that'll be ppp, then
[20:39] <TimR> but the modem isnt installed so I need to install it
[20:40] <RoyK> TimR: what do you mean "not installed"?
[20:40] <RoyK> TimR: is it connected to the PC with a serial cable?
[20:40] <TimR> no
[20:40] <TimR> its PCI card
[20:40] <RoyK> then what sort of modem?
[20:40] <patdk-lap> oh? it's a softmodem, how evil
[20:40] <RoyK> a winmodem? or does it show up as a serial port?
[20:40] <patdk-lap> softmodems are just soundcards
[20:40] <TimR> Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k HSFi Modem
[20:40] <RoyK> softmodems == evil
[20:41] <patdk-lap> softmodem :)
[20:41] <rmozden> ewwww
[20:41] <RoyK> TimR: get a good old serial modem
[20:41] <TimR> I have one
[20:41] <RoyK> then use that one instead
[20:41] <TimR> it was from mac
[20:42] <patdk-lap> timr: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/
[20:42] <TimR> I see that and I have to pay 20 dollars for the licease
[20:42] <patdk-lap> yep
[20:42] <patdk-lap> there is no support for softmodems
[20:42] <patdk-lap> if you want to use that thing
[20:42] <patdk-lap> otherwise you need a real hardware modem that looks like a serial port
[20:42] <TimR> I will just use my serial modem I guess
[20:48] <RoyK> or something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/USR-US-Robotics-Sportster-External-dial-up-serial-analog-dialup-modem-33-6-fax-/150680494982?pt=PCC_Modems&hash=item231541e386
[20:49]  * pmatulis does not want to open that link to see the picture
[20:49] <RoyK> lol
[20:50] <RoyK> that modem cost about the same 15 or 20 years ago...
[20:50] <pmatulis> sure, it's so old the price is going up
[20:51] <linocisco> how can I build my own ubuntu server based settop box ??
[20:52] <TimR> i dont have that one but I have a best data that was used for a mac
[20:52] <RoyK> linocisco: shouldn't be too hard with some atom-based mobo or perhaps something with an ARM cpu, install mythtv or something similar...
[20:52] <RoyK> TimR: so long it uses rs/323, anything should work
[20:52] <linocisco> RoyK: if I M not familiar with electronic, how can I do?
[20:53] <RoyK> you may not get 56,7kbps, but...
[20:53] <RoyK> linocisco: no need to be familiar with electronics - just get something small and install ubuntu on it :)
[20:54] <RoyK> plese mind that not all ARM stuff works on newer ubuntu, things like guruplug uses older arm arch, not supported > ubuntu 9.04
[20:54] <linocisco> RoyK: how to build USB port Network port. It should be portable and placable on rack
[20:54] <RoyK> linocisco: just get anything with usb and network and ubuntu should autodetect it...
[20:55] <genii-around> TimR: What vendor:device code the thing has?
[20:55] <TimR> are you talking about the external or pci card there genii-around
[20:55] <RoyK> genii-around: no vendor:device code for something on rs/323 :P
[20:56] <genii-around> TimR: PCI. A while ago I wrote a how-to on the forums for Conexant Winmodems
[20:56] <RoyK> winmodem == evil
[20:56] <linocisco> RoyK: is there anything on step by step how to ? I want to build and sell them
[20:57] <TimR> pci dev: PCIDEV=14f1:2f00
[20:57] <TimR> IDENT=hsfmodem
[20:57] <genii-around> TimR: Maybe check from my posting at #49 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1015673&page=5  ... it's a bit old but should still work
[20:57] <RoyK> linocisco: you don't need to build anything, just get something small that can run ubuntu and the rest is just software...
[20:58] <linocisco> RoyK: I dont know how to find it
[20:58] <linocisco> RoyK:  that is the problem. It should not resemble a real computer
[20:59] <RoyK> linocisco: there are MANY small single-board computers out there - if you want to start somewhere, why not with a pandaboard? a bit overkill, but good for lab work
[21:00] <linocisco> RoyK: i have heard of it. I will google it
[21:00] <RoyK> linocisco: a beaglebone is small ...
[21:00] <TimR> so genii is it going to work on 10.04.3 lts?
[21:01] <genii-around> TimR: We got it working as far as Maverick, so yes
[21:01] <TimR> alright I will give this a try
[21:02] <genii-around> TimR: If you upgrade the kernel you have to redo the last part ( hsfconfig ) after
[21:02]  * RoyK is off to sleep
[21:03] <TimR> well I am running: Linux 2.6.32-35-generic on i686
[21:04] <genii-around> TimR: I'll be around for another hour, if you run into problems ping
[21:04] <TimR> well I am getting ready to leave here soon for thanksgiving
[21:07] <TimR> genii-around did you get my PM?
[21:08] <genii-around> TimR: Yep
[21:09] <TimR> alright thanks for that info.
[21:10] <genii-around> Anytime


[06:55] <faekjarz> Who has a pcspkr setup that's actually working in 20.04?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: best to ask your specific question to the channel, so volunteers can try to think along with you
[06:56] <faekjarz> i want to make my server beep when the login prompt is ready
[06:57] <faekjarz> and i want it to beep when i run the beep command
[06:59] <faekjarz> i've already un-blacklisted pcspkr, added it to etc/modules, updated initrd, several reboots - no joy
[07:01] <faekjarz> my pcspkr hardware is installed correctly - the mobo beeps when it hands control over to grub, so that's not the issue
[07:02] <faekjarz> lsmod says the pcspkr module is loaded (used by 0)
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> i dont see pcspkr in the 20.04 repos anymore, where did you get it from?
[07:03] <faekjarz> it's a kernel module, "beep" is the command that tells the box to make specific noises
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> oh i see
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> https://askubuntu.com/questions/19906/beep-in-shell-script-not-working


[00:02] <hggdh> dax: pending means teh automated tests have not yet completed
[15:21] <elky> popey: you might want to /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubuntu-mate
[15:35]  * popey looks
[15:50] <elky> first hit 22nd last month, then 19th this month, then yesterday and today
[20:06] <Pici> druid- showed up in #ubuntu-hardened (for some reason) complaining about his ban (?)
[20:07] <Menzador> Pici: Maybe AppArmor will unban him :P
[20:07] <Pici> I told him to come here if he wanted to resolve it.
[20:08] <ikonia> he's not even banned
[20:08] <Pici> I know.