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[07:23] <sakrecoer> RT seems lost in regard to how the child-theme interoperates with the community theme...
[07:24] <sakrecoer> they can't make it work.. i guess i should have been less humble too, because they wonder if have tried it all, lol
[07:33] <sakrecoer> here is the ticket if anyone is curious. i have reached out to knome. and hopefully this will fixed in time before release...
[07:33] <sakrecoer> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=29028
[09:57] <eylul> sakrecoer: obvious question I assume parent theme is uploaded already? (knome's new one)
[10:11] <sakrecoer> eylul: yes it is...
[10:12]  * eylul goes to check the site
[10:14] <eylul> the name of the ubuntu community theme folder might be different there
[10:15] <eylul> *fiddles*
[10:15] <sakrecoer> eylul: yes, the parent-theme is there.
[10:15] <sakrecoer> eylul: can you access the RT ticket?
[10:15] <eylul> yes
[10:15] <eylul> *goes to check that next*
[10:15] <sakrecoer> good :)
[10:16] <sakrecoer> eylul: knome answered a few minutes ago... might make more sense to you than it does to me..
[10:17]  * eylul refreshes the page
[10:18] <eylul> yes knome's description is a variation of what I was guessing :D
[10:18] <eylul> (I thought folder name was different, knome is saying path is different)
[16:37] <sakrecoer> RT replied, putting the theme at fault. although it would seem they are the ones with non-standard set-up...
[17:09] <eylul> it is most definitely not the mistake of the parent theme.
[17:09] <eylul> not really the mistake of the child theme, although as knome said, it might be possible for us to change it from our end, if they tell us what the path to the theme is


[12:52] <mxpxpod> BenC: are you around?
[01:22] <mgalvin> might anyone know the cleanest or proper way to bump the kernel ABI when also doing dch -i?
[02:34] <mgalvin> BenC: ping?
[02:11] <zul> heylo
[02:11] <zul> from the sucks to be you file...some guy at work got his car stolen from the parking lot
[03:52] <BenC> zul: wow, that does suck
[03:52] <BenC> zul: sure it wasn't repo'd? :)
[03:52] <fabbione> hey BenC
[03:53] <fabbione> BenC: can you send me your X config for the PB?
[03:53] <fabbione> i can't get the touchpad up to a decent speed with the default settings
[03:53] <fabbione> it's like reaaaaaaaly sloooooooooowwwww
[04:01] <mxpxpod> BenC: any luck with sound?
[04:01] <BenC> fabbione: neither can I
[04:02] <BenC> mxpxpod: not yet
[04:03] <mxpxpod> BenC: I found something else out... if I have ifup'ed the AE, then ifdown it and try to suspend without removing the bcm43xx module, my ibook freezes when it tries to wake up
[04:15] <BenC> interesting
[04:15] <mxpxpod> BenC: yeah, I thought so too
[04:16] <BenC> I have ifdown in my suspend script, and ifup in my resume script
[04:16] <BenC> haven't noticed that problem
[04:16] <BenC> but bcm43xx is still experi., so I expect it to be like that
[04:17] <mxpxpod> BenC: also, using the module you gave me (and after doing a modprobe dmasound-pmac && modprobe -r dmasound-pmac && insmod ~/Desktop/snd-powermac-2.ko), if I return from sleep, I have to change the volume before sound works again
[04:17] <mxpxpod> BenC: same here ;)... just letting you know
[04:46] <zul> lovely...i work in a high crime wave area
[04:51] <lamont-work> seems that malone is preserving the originator's email addr when forwarding to kernel-bugs --> lots and lots of 'mail from non-subscriber' holds
[04:51] <lamont-work> unlike kernel-team, the bulk of the messages on kernel bugs were actual maiul
[05:04] <mgalvin> does anyone know the proper way to deal with or bump the abi after a dch -i to allow a clean compile of an updated kernel package, the wiki is not quite accurate for dapper?
[05:33] <zul> Benc: arrgh...stop spamming my email ;0
[05:52] <zul> hey mdz
[05:54] <mdz> good morning
[10:53] <lamont-work> hrm... 2.6.15-14 Conflicts with 2.6.12-9?
[10:53] <lamont-work> or am I just misreading things...
[10:55] <lamont-work> that is, the dist-upgrade screeched to a halt asking if I _really_ wanted to remove the running kernel and waited for input... this would be bad in a synaptic upgrade on grandma's computer.
[10:55] <lamont-work> or maybe it's just hppa that does that...
[11:23] <sn9> i kept wondering how is was that other ppl in the channel were able to get -14 from apt and i wasn't. it turns out i kept forgetting to specify "-t dapper" to apt-get


[02:41] <BlooAlien> Howdy, folks.  I was wondering...  I noticed there's been no updates to the Ubuntu PPA for Nightly in ten days.  Is that normal?
[02:43] <BlooAlien> By the way, LOVE what is being done with the next big update.  Memory usage is down DRAMATICALLY and performance is up.  Fantastic work on killing pretty much the only complaints I have had about Firefox (that being memory usage and performance).
[03:18] <BlooAlien> Guess I caught everyone asleep.  Going AFK for a while.


[04:28] <delt_> just testing out xchat....
[04:28] <cfhowlett> !test | delt_,
[04:28] <delt_> ah, right thanks
[10:15] <studio-user146> salve
[10:16] <studio-user146> c'è nessuno in italiano?
[10:16] <studio-user146> mi presento sono ric
[10:17] <studio-user146> vorrei delle delucidazioni .....per un uso "audiofilo" di ubuntu studio
[10:17] <studio-user146> nobody for audiophile use......?
[10:23] <Unit193> !it
[14:52] <ubuntu-studio> hi
[14:53] <ubuntu-studio> someone can help me?
[14:53] <ubuntu-studio> i'd like to install ubuntustudio in dual boot with win7
[14:54] <ubuntu-studio> i create a partition not allocated
[14:54] <ubuntu-studio> but when i try to install ubuntu....the system don't recognize it
[14:55] <ubuntu-studio> why?
[15:00] <ubuntu-studio> nobody help me?
[17:33] <yunus> how install c++ compiler
[20:32] <twisty-1> Hi
[20:33] <caboose885> o/
[20:34] <twisty-1> I started Ubuntu Studio Live from my DVD and want to test it. Where can I get some LMMS instruments?
[20:34] <twisty-1> If Ubuntu Studio is for me, i will change to it ;)
[20:34] <caboose885> where did you get your instruments from before?
[20:34] <caboose885> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Adding_Instruments
[20:35] <twisty-1> I used full Windows licensed software before which included all instruments
[20:36] <caboose885> ah.
[20:36] <caboose885> well the wiki mentioned this website: www.kvraudio.com
[20:36] <caboose885> so I'm assuming they like it
[20:36] <twisty-1> Thanks
[20:37] <caboose885> When I tried to be a music creator I just googled for free synths and instruments. I don't remember where I got them from though
[20:41] <twisty-1> Me too, i searched for free instruments etc and nothing found ...
[20:42] <caboose885> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Tested_VSTs
[20:43] <caboose885> http://www.vst4free.com/
[20:43] <twisty-1> Thanks
[20:43] <caboose885> eh, whole page might be more useful: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Useful_resources#Vst_and_VSTi_resources
[20:43] <caboose885> no worries


[17:03] <stas> hey newz2000, is rhlee still responsible for planet theme?
[17:03] <newz2000> stas: yes, he was off this last week though
[17:03] <stas> adiroiban reports broken rss and lack of atom
[17:04] <stas> i thought to ping him


[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): OK, I've hit a bit of a roadblock. I know that I'm merging in Experimental into Sid (correctly this time), however, I'm wondering - do I need to do a version number bump since things are going to be a bit different (mainly the changelog and any tweaks we need to apply)? Should this be libfm-qt 1.1.0-2? Or -1.1? Or...?
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Yes version bump
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Keep the old changelog entry
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Your first changelog entry should be "Upload to Unstable."
[03:45] <tsimonq2> And then thoroughly document your changes after that
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Very throughly
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, but wait - I thought the changelog from Experimental was part of the problem.
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Andrew asked me to revert those changes and redo it correctly in Sid, right?
[03:46] <tsimonq2> You need to grab only the changelog from Experimental and redo anything that involves merging from Ubuntu or isn't verbose enough
[03:46] <tsimonq2> The Debian archive is very strict about keeping changelog entries and trying not to modify them
[03:46] <tsimonq2> The Ubuntu archive, less so
[03:47] <arraybolt3[m]> So, is the "bad" part of the changelog going to stay? Or is it going to be replaced with better documentation?
[03:47] <tsimonq2> I mean, if you wanted to get crafty, you could checkout sid and cherry-pick + amend each commit :P
[03:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: It's going to stay
[03:48] <tsimonq2> However, -2 will have that documentation
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK. So basically the changelog stays, then in Sid, I revert everything and redo it, this time with good documentation?
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (Thus preserving everything?)
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (Revert everything as in "git revert".)
[03:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, "git revert" might damage the changelog... but you get what I'm saying.)
[03:51] <tsimonq2> Okay, I would suggest you do the following...
[03:51] <tsimonq2> Checkout debian/sid and copy the changelog over from debian/experimental. Create a new changelog entry for Unstable but keep it as UNRELEASED.
[03:51] <tsimonq2> Then, update the package for the new release again (using GBP) and individually cherry-pick commits over from experimental. When you do that, make the changelog entry and commit message verbose (see debcommit), and make sure changes are small and self-contained
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Eventually you want an empty diff, minus the changelog of course, between the two
[03:53] <tsimonq2> And to edit a newly cherry-picked commit, you're looking for either git rebase -i START_COMMIT (and then replace pick with edit on the commits), this is good for multiple, or with a single commit, git commit --amend
[03:53] <tsimonq2> Does all of that make sense?
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I got lost just before you sad "Does all of that make sense". LOL
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> The git-fu flew over me.
[03:54] <arraybolt3[m]> So, the problem I'm seeing with cherry-picking commits is that, each commit I made updated a whole file. The commits aren't exactly self-contained back there. Will the git-fu allow me to "split" the one commit into multiple logically separated commits?
[03:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Or is this a good reason to just pull stuff over manually?
[03:54] <tsimonq2> man git-rebase && man git-commit
[03:54] <tsimonq2> :P
[03:55] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Ooh, good one. Yes, kind of
[03:55] <tsimonq2> You can git add only specific lines in a file
[03:56] <tsimonq2> It's been a few years but you can git reset --soft HEAD^1 or similar, unstage the entire file, only add back the lines you want, and commit just that
[03:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. OK, I guess I'll try it just for the sake of learning Git, but what I was going to do was "git diff debian/sid debian/experimental > ~/diff.txt" and then merge in logical changes from that manually.
[03:58] <tsimonq2> "Those are rookie numbers, you gotta bump that up" :P
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> I might should wait to do this until after I've had some sleep though - I'm exhausted, and so learning this much new stuff might lead to frustration (and possibly some "interesting" results!). I'll make notes of what to do so I can tackle it tomorrow.
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Sounds good! Same plan here tbh
[04:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Idk, maybe I should try to do it tonight just so we can have something to laugh about in the morning? 🙃
[04:00] <tsimonq2> I gave up on $dayjob for the night... jQuery, HTML, and PHP split between at least 3 files to convert that output to a PDF... and I only want to make a change to the PDF output... frustrating
[04:00] <tsimonq2> Up to you LMAO
[04:00] <tsimonq2> Don't burn yourself out on it though
[04:04] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Good grief. How did that even happen?
[04:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, thank you so much for helping me figure out what to do, and I look forward to tackling it again tomorrow!
 "Good grief. How did that even..." <- Sigh. I wish I could tell you...
[16:31] <tsimonq2> Good morning
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Good morning!
[18:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Are we dropping the symbols file in libfm-qt from Debian and maintaining it in Ubuntu? I just need to know if I should put "drop" or "reword" in the interactive rebase.
[18:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope
[18:25] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, reword it is.
[18:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer) Eickmeyer I just noticed a message on our Calamares SRU from Brian Murray - he asked about if there was going to be any changes that would "result in a system installed from 22.04 media being substantially different than a system installed from 22.04.1 media", such as configuration or package management changes. It dawned on me reading that, that this might be a good time to sneak in the LibreOffice
[18:34] <arraybolt3[m]> localization bug fix, so we can test it at the same time.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Nothing really "sneaks" into an SRU.
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I know, but I mean, do it at the same time.
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not like "try to do it with no one noticing".)
[18:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> It would show up in the .diff and they'd see it.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> The .diff is what gets looked at.
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess I phrased it wrong.
[18:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, if we're going to test Calamares 3.2.60 anyway, may as well test the LibreOffice localization bug fix at the same time, since the same test suite would be used on both AFAICT.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Although, I agree, that needs to be fixed, but I believe that's a separate bug report, is it not?
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, but if we resolve it in two different SRUs, we're going to have to do The. Whole. Test. Suite. Twice.
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Isn't there some way to avoid that?
[18:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Or am I missing something?
[18:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nah, we should definitely kill two birds with one stone.
[18:37] <arraybolt3[m]> But yeah, that's all I was saying. If there's any time to do this particular change, now would be a good time, so that we can only have to do ~18 installations once, rather than having to do ~36.
[18:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think I'd like to hear Simon Quigley (Developer) chime in.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/jammy-backports-22-04-1/
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Publishes in 40 minutes
 "I think I'd like to hear Simon..." <- +1
[21:05]  * arraybolt3[m] scrambles to get a Jammy VM set up
[21:06] <tsimonq2> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wWZ9Kbd9nf/
[21:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> And here I am just trying to get two Kubuntu VMs set-up with two different configurations for testing two different versions of Plasma.... sigh
[21:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> So Simon Quigley (Developer) I'm mostly concerned with our response to Brian.
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, with the ISO that has Backports enabled, if we're gonna spin our own ISO, why not also go ahead and include mixed-mode UEFI support by adding the 32-bit bootloader?
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: I have the Telegram, Twitter, and Reddit announcements scheduled all for that time, 4:45 PM (my time, for you it's 5:45)
[21:12] <kc2bez[m]> OK, sounds good. Thanks for doing that.
[21:12] <tsimonq2> This command ran about 20 minutes ago:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f3466814ca8b3d60b1ac818848019baa745a7944)
[21:14] <tsimonq2> It looks like everything is published. As Adam once said, if they publish the announcement as soon as the ISOs hit the server, you're kicking the server's butt. Let it get to all the CDNs and such...
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> tsimonq2: It's really annoying when people watch the server and start telling people and announcing to the world prior to the official announcement.
[21:15] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[21:15] <tsimonq2> So, I mean, you can probably install it now. We just haven't announced it yet. :P
 @teward001 It seems that the lubuntuarab telegram channel is not linked to #lubuntu-arabic
 Forwarded from unknown: The Lubuntu Team is happy to announce that the Lubuntu Backports PPA is now available for general use. For more information and to learn how you can help us test, head over to our blog post:
 https://lubuntu.me/jammy-backports-22-04-1/
 "[telegram] <Roberalz> @teward001..." <- Lubot is in the IRC room from what I can tell.
 The announcement was seen on all irc channels except the arabic one, yesterday someone spoke on the arabic irc and it was not seen on telegram (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> <lubot> "[telegram] <Roberalz> @teward001..." <- Lubot is in the IRC room from what I can tell.)
[22:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Has anyone else noticed a bug where sometimes after you reboot a Lubuntu system for the first time, the wallpaper disappears?
[22:03] <arraybolt3[m]> And then when you put the wallpaper back, all the desktop icons disappear?
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> It only happens every once in a while, but when it happens, it's annoying. Just happened to me immediately after installing from the released LXQt PPA.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> I have
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Let's try to get that diagnosed
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, the PPA includes the Lubuntu Manual shortcut, which is still a question mark.
[22:05]  * arraybolt3[m] is kicking myself for not having tested the pre-released PPA
[22:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Correct.
 "Has anyone else noticed a bug..." <- I think there was a bug report for that.
[23:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Oh?
[23:17] <kc2bez[m]> Let me search a minute
[23:22] <kc2bez[m]> Not quite the same but similar.
[23:22] <kc2bez[m]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1980137
 i'll poke the bot its possible something went weird
 but *yawn* tomorrow
 hard day at work was hard
[23:52] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: I concur with that one.


[13:01] <benji> Yellow Slug Video of the Day: http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/science-on-the-spot-banana-slugs-unpeeled
[13:17] <danilos> benji, the URL itself kinda scares me
[13:17] <benji> heh
[13:18] <benji> for a nature segment it is a little violent sounding, but be comforted that no banana slugs were harmed during the filming
[13:19] <gary_poster> it has comforting guitar music
[13:19] <gary_poster> "the unsung hero of this forest comunity"
[13:20] <gary_poster> "eating fallen plants and even dead animals"
[13:20] <gary_poster> (more comforting guitar music
[13:20] <gary_poster> )
[13:20] <bac> Yellow Squad -- we poop dirt
[13:21] <gary_poster> It's great contribution is that it enriches the soil (presumably be defecating)
[13:21] <bac> hey, and they are hung hermaphodites
[13:21] <gary_poster> mm, the largest male sex organ...but a hemaphrodite...
[13:21] <gary_poster> lol
[13:21] <bac> gary_poster: i think we hit play at the same time
[13:21] <gary_poster> I think so too :-)
[13:22] <gary_poster> mm, comforting music has switched to piano.strings
[13:23] <gary_poster> mm...slime...
[13:23] <bac> gary_poster: did you see bug 761257.  :(
[13:23] <_mup_> Bug #761257: Advanced subscription overlay does not handle unsubscribing teams <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/761257 >
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, benji :)
[13:24] <gary_poster> I did not bac...this must be about direct subscriptions, yeah?
[13:25] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos, will look at kanban in a munite, call in 5-ish
[13:25] <gary_poster> minute
[13:26] <bac> gary_poster: yes.  bug title updated.
[13:27] <gary_poster> thanks bac.  I'll adda backlog defect card too
[13:27] <bac> gary_poster: i put a card in FW1
[13:27] <gary_poster> oh ok cool
[13:27] <gary_poster> good enough
[13:27] <gary_poster> thanks
[13:37] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/EditingRound2/Slide1
[13:46] <danilos> anybody seen the south park episode about a "dream inside a dream within a dream"? :)
[13:46] <danilos> gary's mention reminded me of that
[14:15] <gary_poster> benji, my impression was that you thought you were comfortable without further discussion.  If you do want to talk, just lemme know.
[14:17] <benji> gary_poster: a call would be good
[14:17] <gary_poster> benji, cool
[14:17] <gary_poster> benji, call me when you are ready
[16:34] <gary_poster> just encountered one of those integration errors we have been rightly worried about.  I wrote a JS test for a change, and it failed, and then fixed the code, and all tests passed...and then actually tried using the thing for some QA and I had screwed up the server request we make. :-/
[17:20] <gary_poster> ...it appears to be at least two bugs in one...
[17:20] <gary_poster> not related to my change :-/
[17:21] <gary_poster> but I can't verify my fix via QA until they are fixed
[17:21] <gary_poster> apparently patching a team bug doesn't work in some cases that I don't understand yet
[17:21] <gary_poster> and apparently deleting a newly created filter doesn't work in some cases that I don't understand yet
[17:23] <gary_poster> patching a team filter I mean
[17:24] <benji> maybe a security problem?  i.e., you have permission to create a team filter but not update/delete it?
[17:25] <gary_poster> yes, that's the first problem--Unauthorized--but pretty weird since we have been able to edit team filters on the other page.  Have not found source of that one yet.  The deleting a newly created filter I see and can fix, I think.  Doing that now, and then will look at Unauthorized
[17:31] <gary_poster> ah, interesting.  it is something specific to rosetta admins
[17:33] <gary_poster> danilo, what are you doing still here? :-)
[17:33] <danilos> gary_poster, heh, trying to get a few more tests done, got side-tracked with crashing desktop :(
[17:33] <gary_poster> danilos gotcha :-(
[17:34] <gary_poster> danilos don't work too late.
[17:34] <danilos> gary_poster, I won't, just a few more of these and I'll be handing off
[17:34] <gary_poster> ok cool
[17:37] <gary_poster> oh, weird
[17:38] <gary_poster> this person, Foo Bar, #1 is listed in the JS as an admin of Rosetta Administrators but that is not listed in https://launchpad.dev/~name16/+participation , and # 2 was able to create a filter for that team, but not delete or patch it.
[17:39] <gary_poster> oh, weirder
[17:39] <gary_poster> person is a member of the team that owns the team, but not an active member
[17:40] <gary_poster> that scenario sinks our battleship
[17:41] <gary_poster> and that's a valid scenario
[17:42] <gary_poster> if weird
[17:42] <gary_poster> so it looks like either the code we have that inserts teams-of-which-you-are-an-administrator needs to intersect with teams-of-which-you-are-a-member
[17:43] <gary_poster> or if you are an administrator then you should be able to patch and delete a subscription
[17:43] <gary_poster> I lean towards the second solution, though I wonder how it will pan out to implement
[17:47]  * gary_poster is going to take a break, though will be around
[17:51] <danilos> gary_poster, oh, I've seen that with rosetta-admins, forgot to add a card; basically, it should not be listed in administratedTeams
[17:51] <gary_poster> danilos, you think?
[17:51] <gary_poster> I gave the two options above
[17:51] <gary_poster> you think not administrated is better than allowing them to patch/delete because they are owners?
[17:51] <danilos> gary_poster, well, all the web service calls fail, perhaps that
[17:52] <gary_poster> except they can create
[17:52] <danilos> gary_poster, I haven't thought closely about it, to be honest :)
[17:52] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:52] <gary_poster> it would probably be easier to not list them
[17:52] <gary_poster> so under the circumstances, maybe that's the right thing to do for right now
[17:53] <danilos> gary_poster, yeah, we can always file a bug to let someone else handle it later :))
[17:54] <gary_poster> woo hoo! :-)
[18:50] <danilos> gary_poster, I am out, you've got email in your inbox, my branch is up at lp:~danilo/launchpad/bug728370-action-display and I left you with the hardest tests to write (those for on-click handler :))
[18:50] <danilos> gary_poster, other than that particular test, I think it's pretty complete
[18:50] <gary_poster> danilos, lol, cool thanks
[18:50] <gary_poster> have a great weekend!
[18:50] <danilos> cheers, so do you!
[19:02] <gary_poster> bac, a branch when you have a moment: https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug761798/+merge/57922
[19:02] <bac> gary_poster: ok
[19:02] <gary_poster> thanks
[19:03] <bac> gary_poster: working on a large branch now but you're next
[19:03] <gary_poster> thanks bac, no rush
[19:34] <benji> gary_poster: what do you thing about this scaffolding for the direct actions? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594581/
[19:34]  * gary_poster looks
[19:35] <benji> I need to add tests and fill in the unmute action next or if someone's ready to contribute an action I can push this to a branch for them to work from.
[19:37] <gary_poster> danilos handed off to me, so I'm booked now; sounds like bac is also booked for awhile yet.  Tests sound like the next thing to work on, yeah
[19:37]  * gary_poster still looking
[19:40] <gary_poster> benji, still looking, but first thought worth sharing: there are two variations for unsubscribe in the mockups: unsubscribe, and unsubscribe with warning (because there are other subscriptions).  That will need to be modeled somehow (and I don't think it is yet).
[19:41] <gary_poster> You could do that with another node...
[19:41] <gary_poster> kinda sorta
[19:41] <gary_poster> doesn't quite fit in with the current setup
[19:42] <benji> ah, I missed the with-warning flavor; I think I can add that without too much trouble
[19:42] <gary_poster> cool
[19:43] <gary_poster> benji, looks like a good start to me.  Cool, yay, thanks! :-)
[19:43] <benji> very good
[19:43] <gary_poster> (by good start, I mean, good scaffolding, not good start on the scaffolding) ;-)
[19:48] <benji> (yep, I understood)
[20:22] <bac> gary_poster: i'm a little confused by all of the indirection in your branch wrt clean_up.
[20:22] <bac> where is the actual fix to the early closing problem?
[20:24] <gary_poster> bac, maybe I should have tried harder to clean it up.  er.  The actual fix is that clean_up can't be called after it initially calls the handler.  The handler has to call it on success, eventually.
[20:24] <gary_poster> The extra indirection is because sometimes success isn't true success unrtil after two web calls.
[20:24] <gary_poster> Let me look at it again and see if I see a way to simplify...
[20:25] <bac> ok, so line 114 of the diff is the good part
[20:26] <gary_poster> bac, well, we have to do it in two scenarios.  So, yeah, 114, and also...
[20:26] <bac> gary_poster: i wasn't implying it was unnecessarily confusing...just that i was confused
[20:26] <gary_poster> also 60
[20:27] <gary_poster> no, np bac, I kind of thought that it maybe could have been simplified but this worked and I wanted to get back to the other task.  Actually, I think clean_up can be defined as a module-level function and not passed around
[20:27] <gary_poster> That would make things cleaner.
[20:28] <gary_poster> Let me try that.
[20:28] <bac> gary_poster: it would, as it seems to be a hot potato atm
[20:28] <gary_poster> yeah
[20:35] <gary_poster> bac, I did this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/594603/ .   Pushed to public branch and waiting on diff change...
[20:36] <bac> gary_poster: i think that's much clearer
[20:36] <gary_poster> cool, thank you bac
[20:42] <gary_poster> bac, I considered your add_subscription_overlay approach but I felt it would have been more fragile: when code changed the local variable, it would have needed to be sure that it also changed the namespace version in order for the tests to be reliable.  I felt that always getting the overlay from the namespace was a cheap cost for that reduction in fragility.  Therefore, fwiw, I intend to leave it as it is.
[20:43] <gary_poster> thank you for the review!
[20:47] <bac> gary_poster: not to belabor the point, but wouldn't the test break if the names were changed out from under it?
[20:47] <bac> it is a idiom we use in that module
[20:47] <gary_poster> bac, it depends on how that name were set, and even if it is cleaned up across test runs
[20:47] <gary_poster> it might very well work now
[20:48] <gary_poster> getting it from the namespace also simply didn't bother me in the slightest
[20:49] <gary_poster> I'm guessing you don't feel differently enough to make a point of it, since you didn't do so in the review.  Had you, I would have complied, because even though I feel comfortable with what I did, I don't feel strongly about it either.
[21:18] <bac> gary_poster: i'm going to take the dog for a walk.  will be back later.  have a good weekend
[21:18] <gary_poster> you too bac.  bye


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