[12:50] <dfgweb> Hi all. Did you know mainline kernel >= v5.11.1 & >= v5.10.18 fail to build and nothing?
[12:50] <dfgweb> For example, https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.11.2/ is empty.
[12:52] <dfgweb> In the log: make[3]: *** No rule to make target 'debian/canonical-certs.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list'.  Stop.
[13:01] <dfgweb> *~ and nothing~? (sorry those two words not removed in my first message).
[13:29] <klebers> apw, ^
[14:02] <apw> klebers, thanks ...
[14:02] <apw> hmmm ...
[18:49] <tomreyn> this bug https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1427 recently made it into bionic's 5.4.0-66-generic #74~18.04.2-Ubuntu


[14:04] <bwmaker> Morning, ladies and gents.
[14:08] <wrst> hello bwmaker
[14:15] <bwmaker> How's it going?
[15:30] <wrst> pretty good bwmaker, and you?
[15:30] <wrst> hello excid3|cloud
[15:32] <bwmaker> wrst: Good. Nice day out, getting some things going that I've been fighting with but it coming together.
[15:33] <bwmaker> Hi excid3|cloud. Welcome!


[23:12] <hazmat> persia, thanks for the tip last week on the no --install-recommends to avoid gcj
[23:12] <persia> hazmat: I'm glad it worked for you.


[07:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: """+ This is of limited usefulness as LiveFSes can be navigated to via
[07:39] <wgrant> + Person:+livefs, but we need something minimal here to allow the
[07:39] <wgrant> + "livefses" API root collection to work.
[07:39] <wgrant> Why?
[07:39] <wgrant> + """
[07:39] <wgrant> A top-level collection can be empty, and even if it's not empty the objects don't have to be subordinate.
[07:41] <wgrant> lp.livefses is a thing mostly to avoid having more Soyuz code in Registry.
[07:41] <wgrant> Not to actually be a useful collection.
[07:47] <wgrant> Hm
[07:48] <wgrant> I might just declare inline comments to be in beta for ~launchpad, because 4000 line diffs are unfun to review otherwise.
[07:49] <wgrant> Plus it'll give us a week or so to test it out before we open it up more widely once the fixes are done this week.
[10:04] <cjwatson> wgrant: I don't recall exactly what breakage I was trying to work around there; I'll go back and try removing it again
[10:06] <wgrant> I guess it was all a bit messy while you sorted out that versioning crash.
[10:06] <wgrant> I know for a fact that it's not required, though. So you should be able to do away with it trivially.
[10:07] <cjwatson> Quite possible I was dealing with fallout from that and not realising it, indeed.
[10:11] <wgrant> I got nearly halfway through with inline comments, so I'll hopefully have another round for you tomorrow morning.
[10:17] <cjwatson> I'll look forward to it.
[10:50] <cjwatson> wgrant: OK, this may have been the problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7451806/
[10:50] <cjwatson> After applying http://paste.ubuntu.com/7451808/
[10:50] <cjwatson> Maybe I need some trivial navigation, just without the traversal?
[10:51] <wgrant>      <browser:url
[10:51] <wgrant> -        for="lp.soyuz.interfaces.livefs.ILiveFSSet"
[10:51] <wgrant> -        path_expression="string:livefses"
[10:51] <wgrant> -        parent_utility="lp.services.webapp.interfaces.ILaunchpadRoot"
[10:51] <wgrant> -        />
[10:51] <wgrant> There's your problem
[10:51] <cjwatson> Oh duh right
[10:55] <cjwatson> OK, much better, thanks
[10:56] <wgrant> :)


[03:53] <tsimonq2> teward: Oh, there's a systemd-resolvd bug and everything. :)
[03:53] <tsimonq2> teward: I had the same problems as OP
[03:53] <tsimonq2> teward: Or, have, rather.
[03:55] <tsimonq2> teward: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3826 bug 1647031 kthxbai >:)
[10:35] <fooa> When I start my Ubuntu and open Chromium it can resolve google.com but not facebook.com and youtube.com. It says DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN. After I start Firefox, then suddenly now Chromium can resolve those domains too.
[10:42] <fooa> I can't report bugs against systemd with ubuntu-bug because it is not an official Ubuntu supported package.
[10:47] <fooa> $ systemd-resolve www.facebook.com
[10:47] <fooa> www.facebook.com: resolve call failed: DNSSEC validation failed: failed-auxiliary
[16:10] <tsimonq2> Ooooooh, second person in like 24 hours coming here affected by that bug...
[18:05] <teward> tsimonq2: sorry, context?


[00:36] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: I see you that and raise you an Ubuntu precise powerpc installation image running in qemu in an Ubuntu 11.10 chroot hosted on Ubuntu precise
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> ahahaha
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> haven't used qemu in many many cycles
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> used to test images with that
[00:37] <cjwatson> (precise's qemu couldn't do it, but oneiric's was fine)
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> now I just boot them off grub2
[00:37] <cjwatson> having to reboot to test things would be a horrible waste of my time given that I'm normally trying to debug something and need to be able to get at my normal development state
[00:37] <penguin42> cjwatson: Hmm, regression in precises qemu?
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> gonna try to use a win7/8 in a VB with raw access to install windows on disk lol
[00:38] <cjwatson> penguin42: yeah, though I think only for powerpc targets
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> and then virtualize this native ubuntu
[00:38] <cjwatson> I'll report it at some point when I can summon the energy to care enough
[00:39] <cjwatson> x86 targets seem fine (at least in kvm)
[01:50] <rrva> after upgrade to xorg-edgers-ppa touchpad sensitivity (ALPS touchpad) is waaay different than before. Anyone know what has happended? Have defaults changed?
[09:26] <FernandoMiguel> cool
[09:26] <FernandoMiguel> bug #893842 is fixed! finally
[09:26] <FernandoMiguel> morning btw :P
[09:39] <Ian_Corne> :)
[09:59] <FernandoMiguel> I should try an Hackingtosh in a VM too
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> humm chrome fullscreen playing youtube html5 is dimming my screen...
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> that's gnome-power right?
[10:37] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium/+bug/896544
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> hey guys anyone knows how to DOCUMENT that Android SDK needs libcurses:i386 ?
[10:43] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/896547
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:13] <elhoir> hello, theres a thing i cant understand about ubuntu
[15:13] <elhoir> precise pangolin will have kernel 3.2.0 --- how so? 3.2.0 isnt stable yet! could someone explain?
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> PP also isn't out yet ;-)
[15:15] <elhoir> yeah, i know, but still...
[15:15] <elhoir> why dont use 3.1.2, and upgrade to 3.2.0 when its stable?
[15:17] <elhoir> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-generic&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all&section=all
[15:17] <jtaylor> its a development release
[15:17] <jtaylor> its not supposed to be stable yet
[15:19] <elhoir> oook
[15:21] <jtaylor> how is one supposed to find the bugs in the new kernel when noone uses it?
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> ^
[15:51] <penguin42> and actually there is nothing really to say that kernel n+1 is any less stable than kernel n
[15:52] <penguin42> normally some things actually get fixed!
[15:54]  * BluesKaj gives up on google earth , hasn't worked since 10.04 on this pc, even with the lsb-core etc ...google maps will have to do i guess.
[15:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What happens?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> it installs but won't launch penguin42
[15:55] <penguin42> any errors?
[15:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: 5.1.3535.3218 is running OK for me on 11.10
[15:56] <penguin42> (What a version number!)
[15:57] <BluesKaj> can't find googlearth.bin ... placed the bin in /etc/opt , tried it in /usr/bin and /usr/lib..all error out
[15:58] <BluesKaj> penguin42, the 5 version works for you? I was trying the 6
[15:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Haven't tried 6 (didn't know there was one)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, but I don't advise it
[15:59] <BluesKaj> maybe I'll give the 5 vrsion a shot
[17:01] <phasma> greetings, all. Quick question. I have installed the daily build on an oldish box. (basically has just 512 ram) - oneconf is pretty resource hungry. Am I safe to remove it? It wants to remove ubuntu-desktop too (I use LXDE) - Am basically just looking to cut down on anything resource heavy
[17:08] <penguin42> phasma: It should run ok on a 512MB box - if it doesn't start by filing a bug if something is particulalrly hungry I'd say
[17:09] <penguin42> phasma: Now, having said that, removing ubuntu-desktop won't hurt anything other than it perhaps not bringing in some other things that might get added later in the cycle
[17:09] <phasma> penguin42: Aye. It's running fine. Just a very laggy desktop, even with LXDE. I'll go ahead and remove in that case. Was really just wishing to ensure I was not going to be left with a broken apt. Thanks


[00:05] <furball> it looks like a broken vid imo
[00:06] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: That OR it's not compatible
[00:06] <furball> i mean
[00:07] <furball> how can i not be compatible?
[00:07] <nishanth> furball do u mean the link i gave you?
[00:07] <furball> it*
[00:07] <furball> no i mean the video itself
[00:07] <furball> like i just get VLC hanging when trying to load it
[00:07] <nishanth> furball no it is clearly working on a windows computer and even on someone else who uses linux
[00:07] <furball> oh hold up let me try it on my VM
[00:08] <nishanth> i mean someone else's computer
[00:10] <furball> strange..
[00:10] <furball> when i try and load it IE says some shit about operation aborted.
[00:10] <furball> whatever, fuckit.
[00:10]  * furball doesnt know why people still use mms
[00:10] <That_Wiki_Guy> furball: Language plz
[00:11] <furball> gtfo plz
[00:11] <nishanth> seriously is there no one who know how to solve this ?
[00:11] <nhandler> furball: Please don't say stuff like that here
[00:11] <furball> oh hey
[00:11] <furball> sorry :/
[00:11] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Im sure there's a way just it's hard to find
[00:12] <furball> yeah i've known for sure VLC to work with MMS
[00:12] <That_Wiki_Guy> nishanth: Ive had a few issues like that before
[00:15] <furrball> that was weird..
[00:16] <furrball> my laptop just like halted for no reason
[00:16] <That_Wiki_Guy> furrball: Is it a windows machine?
[00:16] <furrball> -__-
[00:16] <furrball> yeah, it's a windows machine.
[00:16] <That_Wiki_Guy> furrball: Then that's why it halted
[00:17] <furrball> im joking
[00:17] <furrball> no i've been like underclocking and overclocking and undervolting this hell out of my cpu
[00:17] <furrball> so it's probably like
[00:17] <furrball> screwed
[00:19] <That_Wiki_Guy> furrball: Plz stop swearing...you can use a more appropriate choice of words and still have the same effect
[00:25] <phillw> wb ZachK_
[00:25] <ZachK_> Thanks phillw
[00:25] <goran> Hm, has anyone here been to LPIC?
[00:25] <ZachK_> goran: What?
[00:25]  * phillw who is LPIC
[00:25] <goran> LPIC, certification
[00:26] <ZachK_> Then no I have not
[00:26] <goran> LPI - linux professional insitute
[00:26]  * ZachK_ doesn't need to be certified because he's fully awesome!!!
[00:26] <ZachK_> Joint
[00:26] <phillw> I'm looking at http://www.ubuntu.com/training/certificationcourses/ucp
[00:26] <ZachK_> Dang it...joking
[00:27] <phillw> goran: that includes the LPI
[00:27] <goran> ubuntu certified?
[00:28] <goran> aha, I see
[00:28] <phillw> goran: yeah, it covers the LP modules
[00:29] <goran> phillw, is it possible to do it completely online?
[00:31] <phillw> goran: no, you do have to go to an exam centre to sit the exam (It's not that they don't trust you with an exam paper at home and the internet .. it's just that they don't :-D )
[00:32] <phillw> but the course work does not require going to school
[00:36] <goran> phillw good to know
[00:37] <iantlopp> is it possible to change the background in X with a shortcut key? I have a folder of backgrounds that it *REALLY* slowly goes through and I'd like to switch between them a bit easier from time to time
[00:42] <goran> phillw, but is it A  B C D test only?
[00:42] <goran> I know that LPIC is
[00:45] <phillw> I have no idea, I only looked at the exam last week. I'd need to have a chat round 1st before I make a decsion
[00:45] <goran> aha
[00:45] <phillw> all the information i have is on that link.
[00:46]  * phillw was hoping to go to goa for 4 weeks
[00:46] <goran> phillw, goa?
[00:49] <phillw> goran: http://www.koenig-solutions.com/training/Ubuntu.asp?CourseId=304&CityName=Goa&hStatus=Koenig%20Apartment&currid=6&k=
[00:50] <goran> hmm...but look at the prices
[00:51] <phillw> well they want 1500GBP for a snotty 5 day course in the UK ... now go look at the prices ;-)
[00:51] <goran> :)
[00:56] <stlsaint> hey smart folks...i need some help...
[00:57]  * phillw not smart
[00:59]  * iantlopp more not smarter than phillw
[01:00] <phillw> stlsaint: if I can help I will, so ask away :-)
[01:00] <stlsaint> phillw: networking issue.
[01:00] <stlsaint> so i have a server hosting my website....
[01:00] <stlsaint> phillw: i go to...www.mysite.com and i see the site just fine
[01:01] <stlsaint> phillw: i call a friend to do the same thing and they get sent to a google search result page....
[01:01] <phillw> stlsaint: have you recently signed up for google apps?
[01:01] <stlsaint> i dont know whats going on... i have iptables but ive had them since i originaly had the server with no issues
[01:01] <stlsaint> google apps??
[01:02] <stlsaint> i havent done anything on the server
[01:03] <phillw> yeah,they ask for verification via the host records, if you set it up wrongly the whole site will go to google search
[01:03] <stlsaint> nope, i have done nothing to the site
[01:04] <phillw> stlsaint: give me couple of minutes
[01:04] <stlsaint> kk
[01:05] <phillw> stlsaint: this sounds like this to me http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hlrm=en&answer=47283
[01:06] <stlsaint> i've checked that already though...i use godaddy...but i will double check again
[01:07] <phillw> it's very easy to get it wrong and have the entire site point to google search, if you have messed it up then it can take 48 hours for it to correct (there is a cheat you can do to 'push' it) but that will only affect the index page.
[01:08] <phillw> stlsaint: godaddy --> http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=47610
[01:14]  * phillw prefers to use the meta tag rather than mess with cnames, but others prefer to use the cname alterations - meta tags, however, cannot re-direct your site :-)
[01:17] <stlsaint> godaddy uses their own cnames for hosting
[01:18] <stlsaint> but this is something that ive never edited before so it cant be effecting my stuff could it?
[01:18] <phillw> stlsaint: well google suggest you contact godaddy with the following link http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=69010
[01:19] <phillw> stlsaint: if your site is now pointing to google, some part of the DNS records have been altered.
[01:20] <phillw> I don't use godaddy, so can not help too much except I have heard of the problem before and I think you need to get in touch with godaddy about it. they seem to have a non-standard way of hosting records :-\
[01:22] <phillw> i pay 15USD / year for my hosting and 15USD/year for my registration of my domain - that way my domain records are mine and not belonging to godaddy (or other such companies) they can be real PITS's when you want to move your registration.
[01:23] <stlsaint> well i can use my own if i choose too...
[01:29] <phillw> stlsaint: i'd suggest using the link for reporting the issue to godaddy, as it for them and google - I'm sorry I cannot be of more help.
[01:30] <phillw> I'm not allowed to advertise the host provider I use in IRC, you can always stalk me and ask ;-)
[01:31] <Appl6> phillw: Why not?
[01:32] <phillw> advertising is not allowed. even though my host provider is a registered charity
[01:33] <Appl6> phillw: Naming the hosting provider you use, especially if it's to mention the positive experience you had with it, hardly seems like advertising.
[01:34] <Appl6> Any more than me saying I have an NVIDIA graphics card that works well with Ubuntu.
[01:35] <phillw> Appl6: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26  Now, if i get banned I can blame you :P
[01:36] <Appl6> phillw: Ha.
[01:42] <phillw> he's just made me into an assigner of accounts, what ever that entails ;-) But, i don't think anyone can grumble at $15 with the profits going to a stroke rehabilitation unit in his home state over in the USA
[02:25] <stlsaint> alright smart people i have another question...
[02:26] <stlsaint> anyone round?
[02:26] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[02:34] <stlsaint> so silent...
[02:41] <nishanth> anyone know wat plugin in firefox will play some windows media player videos....(the online live streaming videos)
[02:43] <stlsaint> i have seperate /, /boot /home partitions...which do i need to format upon new installation?
[03:06] <nishanth> anyone know an alternative for activex on ubuntu
[03:32] <malev_> hi, anybody here?
[03:32] <ddecator> maybe
[03:32] <malev_> I need to install some packages in a machine without access to internet
[03:32] <malev_> any idesas ?
[03:33] <ddecator> you can download the .deb for each package, put them on a usb drive, then install them on the other machine. you'd have to make sure to get all of the dependencies too though
[03:33] <malev_> ddecator, that it's what's scares me, what about the dependencies, how to get them all?
[03:34] <malev_> is there any script or something that could help me with them?
[03:36] <ddecator> the best way i can think of is use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ which will list the dependencies of each package
[03:46] <nishanth> anyone know how to make something that uses activex to work in firefox
[03:49] <ddecator> i'm not sure there is a linux equivalent. what are you trying to do in firefox?
[04:04] <stlsaint> k
[04:42] <josss> hello can anyone help me out here?
[04:42] <josss> hello?
[04:43] <ZachK_> josss: HI!!!!
[04:44] <josss> hey man
[04:44] <josss> aiite just between me and you i have a lil sister and she goes onto these x-rated sites
[04:44] <josss> and im trying to use opendns
[04:44] <ZachK_> opendns?
[04:45] <josss> the keys i input in network manager wont work
[04:45] <josss> yeah its a free server client that filters web content
[04:45] <talsemgeest> josss: Ok, so you have the IP address of the opendns servers?
[04:46] <josss> its <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>;
[04:46] <josss> but i can't seem to get it working
[04:46] <talsemgeest> josss: Ok, are you trying to do it on each computer, or just on the router you use to connect to the internet?
[04:47] <josss> no just one computer
[04:47] <talsemgeest> josss: Ok, which version of ubuntu is it running?
[04:48] <josss> its 9.10
[04:48] <ZachK_> Karmic eh?
[04:49] <josss> yeah, does it have compatibility issues with sub-versions of ubuntu??
[04:49] <talsemgeest> josss: Ok, open up the network manager, then find your ethernet card (or wireless card if thats what you are using)
[04:50] <talsemgeest> Select it, then click "Edit"
[04:50] <josss> yep, what do i do after?
[04:51] <josss> this computers using a direct ethernet plug btw
[04:51] <talsemgeest> josss: Ok, go to the "IPv4 Settings" tab, and change it to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only"
[04:52] <josss> yeah i put it on that setting when i inputted those proxy keys
[04:52] <talsemgeest> Ok, now add this into the "DNS Servers" box: <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:53] <josss> not  <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:53] <josss> cause i put that and  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:54] <josss> should i delete the other proxy input?
[04:54] <talsemgeest> Just the numbers I posted
[04:54] <josss> ok
[04:54] <talsemgeest> And only in that one box ;)
[04:54] <josss> yep i did that
[04:55] <talsemgeest> Ok, click apply and hopefully it will be working
[04:56] <josss> ok ill check it out thanks for putting time on meh brotha
[04:56] <talsemgeest> josss: Np :)
[05:41] <stlsaint> hey where are docs stored at?
[05:41] <stlsaint> in ubuntu?
[05:44] <ZachK_> stlsaint: what doc
[05:44] <ZachK_> what doc(s) i mean
[05:50] <stlsaint> like documentation you install from repos?
[05:51] <nishanth> does anyone know how to get an online video streaming work on firefox?
[05:52] <ZachK_> nishanth: still having that same video not working?
[05:53] <nishanth> ZachK yes i realised that this video has recently been not working on ubuntu
[07:33] <ZachK_> welcome untmdsprt
[07:53] <untmdsprt> has anyone sucessfully booted Mac OS X, Ubuntu and another Linux on their computer? If so, how do you get them to play nice?
[07:54] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: what version of linux specifically?
[07:54] <untmdsprt> opensuse
[07:55] <untmdsprt> latest version, and Ubuntu latest version
[07:56] <ZachK_> hmm
[07:56] <ZachK_> i'm not sure...
[07:56] <ZachK_> i'd do some major googling dude
[07:57] <untmdsprt> I've been trying to, but in the meantime I'm using Virtualbox just to check them out
[07:57] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: ok that's what i would do...
[07:57] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: i dont' dual boot except on one occasion i did
[07:57] <ZachK_> wrote a page on it if you'd care to look at it for possible info
[07:57] <untmdsprt> ZachK_: I've dual booted before
[07:57] <untmdsprt> sure
[08:19] <untmdsprt> sorry, was having some computer issues
[08:19] <untmdsprt> ZachK_: I believe you were going to give me a link about multibooting linux?
[08:19] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: http://gwos.org/udsf/doku.php/core:dualbooting:ubuntu
[08:20] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: it was done with two OS's but it might help you
[08:20] <untmdsprt> thanks
[08:20] <ZachK_> :D
[08:20] <untmdsprt> I think I may have problems with GRUB
[08:21] <untmdsprt> thanks again for your help
[08:22] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: no prob
[08:22] <ZachK_> untmdsprt: i'll be here too
[08:40] <shahan_> mohi2911: hi
[08:41] <mohi2911> hey shahan_
[08:41] <shahan_> mohi2911: after a long days
[08:41] <shahan_> mohi2911: :)
[08:41] <mohi2911> shahan_, :)
[08:42] <mohi2911> hiya hobgoblin
[08:42] <hobgoblin> o/
[08:42] <shahan_> mohi2911: here is very poor internet connection ... only 5-6 Kbps..... I am in my home town, Brahmanbaria
[08:43] <mohi2911> shahan_, enjoying the speed?? :P
[08:43] <mohi2911> hobgoblin, sup?
[08:43] <hobgoblin> tea
[08:43] <shahan_> mohi2911: its about 100KM. far from the Dhaka city.... where I live... ya.. enjoying the speed
[08:43]  * mohi2911 steals the tea of hobgoblin ?
[08:43] <hobgoblin> bad move ;)
[08:43] <mohi2911> :o
[08:55] <jetli68> i need a bit of help with login
[08:55] <jetli68> please
[08:57] <linux> hi any one here
[08:59] <hobgoblin> jetli68: what's up?
[08:59] <hobgoblin> linux: yes there is
[08:59] <jetli68> yesterday i  sett to auto login
[08:59] <linux> ok
[09:00] <jetli68> but now  it  come up  saying  can not  authirise  lock home folder  then  closes
[09:00] <linux> u all new to linux
[09:00] <jetli68> and jusy a blank desktop is  there
[09:01] <linux> jetli68, do it ask for password
[09:01] <jetli68> if i go into   command from   boot and type startx  the desktop loads but all home folder is locked still and it will not let me change anything says some about no permission
[09:01] <jetli68> no m8  does not ask for password
[09:01] <hobgoblin> linux: the beginners team are not a group of beginners - but a group of people set up to help beginners https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[09:02] <linux> ko
[09:02] <linux> ok
[09:03] <jetli68> it will not  let me change any setting  at all
[09:03] <linux> ok go to #ubuntu
[09:03] <hobgoblin> jetli68: I am sure someone here will be able to help you - I'm shortly off to work
[09:04] <jetli68> k
[09:04] <jetli68> cheers
[09:04] <linux> jetli68, exactly i am not understanding ur problem
[09:05] <jetli68> k yesterday i set it to auto login
[09:05] <linux> ok then
[09:05] <linux> now what is happening
[09:06] <jetli68> today when i put  it on  i just get a blank  desktop and a message can not authirise  ulock home folder
[09:06] <jetli68> then  it closes and i left with a  blank desktop now takbar or anything
[09:06] <ZachK_> hey wojox
[09:06] <jetli68> no* taksbar
[09:07] <wojox> What's up Zack
[09:07] <linux> must have put wrong pass wile autologin
[09:07] <hobgoblin> jetli68: you can stop the autologin - edit the file in recovery - then try from the login window - write down the error message
[09:08] <ZachK_> wojox: not much...you know you're up for membership right
[09:08] <hobgoblin> jetli68: reboot  - go to the second option in the boot menu and edit the file with nano     nano /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[09:08] <wojox> I forgot about that
[09:08] <jetli68> in boot to the command prompt and type start x  desktop loads  but a new one not the one with my stuff on it
[09:08] <wojox> I guess I'll have to attend the next meeting
[09:09] <hobgoblin> jetli68: find the line AutomaticLoginEnable=true and change to false
[09:09] <hobgoblin> jetli68: then Ctrl+x to save the file - follow the prompts
[09:09] <hobgoblin> jetli68: when you get the recovery menu you need to choose Root Prompt before you can edit the file
[09:10] <hobgoblin> jetli68: then after you have finished editing the file - Exit and Resume from the menu
[09:10] <jetli68> k will try that 2 ticks i will just  write it down then try it
[09:11] <hobgoblin> jetli68: that will get you back to a normal login - then write the error down and come back :)
[09:11] <hobgoblin> good luck with that - I have to go now :(
[09:11] <jetli68> k cheers m8
[09:11] <jetli68> thaks m8
[09:11] <ZachK_> wojox: i'd recommend it
[09:13] <iantlopp> how do I find out where a program is installed? I need to add files to one of its directories, but I can't find the main install directory.
[09:14] <wojox> ZachK: Yes I totally forgot about the one a couple weeks ago
[09:14] <ZachK_> wojox: lol
[09:14] <ZachK_> wojox: please pm me
[09:15] <linux> i wanna add protocol in pidgin
[09:15] <linux> how can i do that
[09:15] <ZachK_> linux: meaning a chat protocol?
[09:16] <linux> ya like yahoo,gtalk
[09:16] <linux> i wanna add nimbuzz
[09:20] <linux> i wanna add new protocol in pedgin like yahoo,gtalk, i like to add nimbuzz how can i do that
[09:20] <ddecator> linux: you have to add it as a Jabber account
[09:22] <linux> ddecator, where is that
[09:22] <ddecator> linux: i don't have pidgin, but there is an option to add accounts in one of the menus (probably File or Edit)
[09:23] <ZachK_> linux: click the "Accounts" tab
[09:23] <ddecator> oh, haha, it has its own menu :p
[09:24] <linux> ya it has thn i go to add then it has basic tab and different protocol to select
[09:24] <ZachK_> linux: that is correct
[09:24] <ZachK_> linux: think you got it?
[09:24] <ZachK_> linux: more than happy to walk you through it
[09:25] <linux> but i wanna add new protocol nimbuzz which it does not have
[09:25] <ddecator> linux: add it as a Jabber account :)
[09:26] <iantlopp> where would I find where a program, installed by apt, is located?
[09:26] <linux> there is no jabber i tryed with xmpp
[09:27] <ZachK_> iantlopp: well what is the program
[09:27] <iantlopp> celestia
[09:27] <ZachK_> iantlopp: most programs will be in the Applications menu
[09:27] <iantlopp> I need to add files to the program
[09:27] <iantlopp> no no... I need the actual installed directory
[09:27] <iantlopp> it comes with only basic stuff... I'm adding much more detailed textures, et al. but I need to know where those files go.
[09:28] <ddecator> iantlopp: you can look in /usr/share/ or /etc/
[09:28] <linux> but i get log out from yahoo may be
[09:29] <iantlopp> not in either place from what I can tell :(
[09:30] <linux> it shows transpots friends and buddies
[09:30] <linux> what does it mean
[09:31] <ibuclaw> iantlopp, depends what program you are talking about. Most allow configuration via a directory path in your home
[09:31] <iantlopp> ibuclaw, the program is Celestia, and I can't find anything in Home for it either...
[09:32] <iantlopp> I'm supposed to put the files in a directory called "extras/-directory" under the main directory of Celestia, but I can't find that main directory
[09:32] <ddecator> apt-file might help
[09:34] <ibuclaw> mkay
[09:34] <ibuclaw> iantlopp, I take it it was celestia-gnome you installed?
[09:35] <ibuclaw> ( not that it will matter ;)
[09:35] <iantlopp> my guess would be yes, but I just used "sudo apt-get install celestia" to install it
[09:36] <ibuclaw> so it could have chosen either or
[09:37] <iantlopp> well it works, but it didn't properly create a shortcut to it in applications, so I dunno...
[09:41] <iantlopp> celestia is in the path (i.e. I can run it from terminal by just typing celestia, regardless of which directory I'm currently in), so is there a way to check the path to see where it might be installed?
[09:44] <wojox> iantlopp: whereis celestia
[09:44] <iantlopp> okay, this is bizarre... I open celestia, then click "File Open" and it brings up a dialog box that shows "user/share/celestia" however, I can't find celestia in that folder...
[09:45] <iantlopp> wojox: that's what I'm trying to figure out.
[09:45] <ddecator> iantlopp: that's a command
[09:45] <iantlopp> oh, sorry.. heh.
[09:46] <wojox> Sorry about that, yes just run it in your terminal.
[09:46] <ddecator> haha, no problem
[09:46] <ddecator> forgot about that command...i kept thinking of 'which' and that doesn't help
[09:46] <iantlopp> okay, just a moment... it says "usr/bin/celestia" "/usr/share/celestia" and a few others but those directories don't exist.
[09:47] <ddecator> try running 'cd /usr/share/celestia'
[09:47] <ddecator> see if it works or not
[09:47] <iantlopp> okay, I can get there... why the heck does nautilus not show it?
[09:48] <ddecator> if you go into /usr/share/ just start typing celestia
[09:48] <ddecator> see if it finds it for you
[09:48] <iantlopp> it doesn't
[09:49] <iantlopp> okay, if I go to terminal and type sudo nautilus, I can then navigate to it, but it doesn't show up when I just go to the directory as normal.. yeesh
[09:50] <iantlopp> I probably would have stumbled upon it about a dozen times by now had I thought of that.. heh
[09:50] <iantlopp> thanks muchly!
[09:52] <iantlopp> and now I can't extract files into it... augh
[09:52] <ddecator> even with sudo?
[09:54] <iantlopp> eh, I have to copy it from nautilus over... if I try to copy it from the archive manager over to the sudo nautilus, then it won't work, but non sudo nautilus to sudo nautilus does
[09:57] <wojox> iantlopp: that's a cool application. Never heard of it before. Just downloaded it.
[09:57] <iantlopp> wojox: enjoy... the more you get into it, the more addicting it gets...
[09:58] <iantlopp> check out www.celestiamotherlode.net as well... 18 GB of add-ons
[09:58] <iantlopp> trying to install the 32k maps at the moment.
[09:58] <wojox> 10-4
[10:05] <ibuclaw> iantlopp, yep, just playing about, you can move it to /usr/share/celestia/extras
[10:05] <ibuclaw> you can also:  sudo gedit /etc/celestia.cfg
[10:06] <ibuclaw> search for "ExtrasDirectories"
[10:06] <iantlopp> that's where I put it... the program's just being silly... I seem to remember this problem from windows
[10:06] <ibuclaw> and add "/home/yourname/.celestia"
[10:07] <ibuclaw> so you can just put addons in ~/.celestia without the need for root privileges
[10:07] <ibuclaw> the model I'm testing (ngc 3372) doesn't seem to work though ... ;)
[10:08] <ibuclaw> it's just a big gray square in the galaxy.
[10:11] <ibuclaw> iantlopp, actually... "~/.celestia" will work too in that configuration file
[10:11] <iantlopp> thanks for that ibuclaw
[10:14] <ibuclaw> heh, oic
[10:14] <iantlopp> ouc what?
[10:15] <ibuclaw> I just did a:  strings ngc3372/models/ngc3372.3ds
[10:15] <ibuclaw> one of the things it returned was:
[10:15] <ibuclaw> NGC3372.JPG
[10:16] <ibuclaw> ls ngc3372/textures/medres
[10:16] <ibuclaw> ngc3372.jpg
[10:16] <ibuclaw> *that* needs renaming to all capitals ;|
[10:17] <ibuclaw> now it works ... kinda ;)
[10:20] <ibuclaw> anyway, have fun with that iantlopp
[10:20] <iantlopp> thanks... gotta go anyway
[10:20] <iantlopp> ttyl
[11:52] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:57] <Thraul> evening duanedesign lol
[12:02] <goran> hm...good afternoon
[12:05] <duanedesign> hello slick666
[12:10] <Thraul> hmm must be some big time differences here lol
[12:11] <duanedesign> :)
[12:22]  * Thraul says its Mon May 24 21:22:05
[12:24] <mohi2911> its 16:54 here =]
[12:24] <Thraul> Brisbane Australia :D
[12:25] <mohi2911> ah cool
[12:49] <zeroseven0183> What's up peopl
[14:27] <kermiac> does anyone know of any public gobby servers?
[14:56] <compiledkernel> kermiac: run your own, its not that hard really. But I think there are a couple out there.
[14:57] <kermiac> hey compiledkernel! yeah, I setup my own. It's very easy, but I'd prefer not to have it running on my own personal server at home
[14:58] <compiledkernel> kermiac: as far as I know gobby.0x539.de is still a public server
[14:58] <kermiac> it's ok though - http://titanpad.com/ seems to do everything I need
[14:59] <kermiac> compiledkernel: thanks, I'll look into that too. Although ^^ works well enough that I may not need gobby. For endusers to use titanpad, all they need is a browser so it's probably a better option for wehat I need. Thanks for the info though :)
[15:06] <lukjad86> Hey collinp
[15:06] <lukjad86> Hey compiledkernel
[15:06] <compiledkernel> lukjad86: aye.
[15:07] <lukjad86> How goes?
[15:07] <compiledkernel> livin. j00?
[15:07] <lukjad86> Dying. ;)
[15:08] <lukjad86> compiledkernel I made a couple of music vids, one of which is pretty popular
[15:08] <lukjad86> Want to see?  Nah
[15:12] <compiledkernel> im sure someone will pipe in on it eventually
[15:12] <compiledkernel> if you wait long enough
[15:16] <lukjad86> compiledkernel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odqnPtYzGbc
[15:16] <lukjad86> compiledkernel Sorry, was afk
[15:16] <lukjad86> Chesamo Yes, that one
[15:24] <compiledkernel> lukjad86: interesting
[15:25] <lukjad86> compiledkernel like it? :)
[15:25] <lukjad86> criticisms?
[15:25] <lukjad86> I also have another one I would like to have reviewed if you have the time
[15:26] <lukjad86> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkLzxdSd0Hg
[15:30] <compiledkernel> ill save the second one for later lukjad86
[15:30] <lukjad86> k
[15:30] <compiledkernel> but I should say in fairness, its quite accomplished.
[15:51] <Raidsong> when i was playing in the ubuntu software center in 10.04 i saw it said "install-free" is this to insinuate to a program that costs money?
[15:53] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: I suspect that future iterations of Software center may include pay for software. And this instance your looking at is merely a step forward in that direction, though not an impending sign of it.
[15:54] <Raidsong> this is the beginning of the end
[15:54] <lukjad86> Raidsong Not really
[15:54] <compiledkernel> perhaps Raidsong
[15:54] <compiledkernel> but then perhaps not
[15:54] <lukjad86> Raidsong Think codecs
[15:55] <lukjad86> Some countries make it illegal to rip DVDs or watch them on Ubuntu
[15:55] <compiledkernel> Commercialization is the next logical step, regardless of how undesireable it may be.
[15:55] <lukjad86> This would be a way to sell you them
[15:56] <Raidsong> but isnt that a slap in the face of ubuntu users everywhere
[15:56] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: some linux die hards and purists (Im one of them actually), would say so
[15:56] <compiledkernel> but the general populace as a whole, probably not.
[15:56] <lukjad86> Raidsong Not really. As long as what is free remains free, adding stuff that is needed by only a few people at a reasonable cost and with a decent license seems fair
[15:57] <Raidsong> i can understand stores selling programs for linux but to put it right in the computer i might as well use a mac
[15:57] <compiledkernel> I suspect that finally the CNR integration that was so feared back in the breezy release days , may come to fruit very quickly now.
[15:58] <compiledkernel> as far as it being a problem, I dont see an issue for the users as a whole
[15:58] <Raidsong> charles nelson riley?
[15:58] <compiledkernel> the whole Ubuntu sucks because it has pay for services and products in it might be valid for some, but certainly not all
[15:59] <Raidsong> i might have to look into going more pure and install debian
[16:01] <compiledkernel> nothing wrong with using debian pure
[16:01] <Raidsong> Ubuntu looks like its going in a dangerous direction
[16:02] <Raidsong> it will hit the main stream and act as a lightning rod for users to flock to linux at the cost of its own credibility
[16:02] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: that is more than likely the intent
[16:03] <compiledkernel> and no matter how much I disagree with it
[16:03] <compiledkernel> it may push adoption forward
[16:03] <Raidsong> sacrifice Ubuntu for the greater good
[16:03] <Orion1> May I have help with install of ATI drivers on 10.04
[16:03] <compiledkernel> I wouldnt call it sacrifice necessarily
[16:03] <compiledkernel> Orion1: what is your specific issue?
[16:04] <Raidsong> compiledkernel, when an operating system breaks from the core ideas to go more mainstream i call it a sacrifice
[16:05] <Orion1> Well when I try to run City of Heroes (with use of Wine) it comes to the slash screen then crashes
[16:06] <Orion1> A friend said it was a video card issue
[16:06] <Raidsong> Orion1, what kind of computer is it?
[16:07] <Orion1> Toshiba Satellite 215-S5849
[16:07] <Orion1> S5848 sorry
[16:07] <Raidsong> Orion1, have you tried system> administration > hardware drivers?
[16:07] <Orion1> no
[16:08] <Raidsong> try that
[16:08] <compiledkernel> it may be more  wine issue
[16:08] <Orion1> I don't see that option
[16:08] <Raidsong> 3rd one down
[16:09] <Orion1> It must be missing
[16:09] <Orion1> I am new so I do apologize
[16:09] <Raidsong> its not there?
[16:09] <Raidsong> under administration?
[16:09] <Orion1> no third one down is Language support
[16:10] <Raidsong> thats 4 down for me
[16:10] <Raidsong> thats weird
[16:10] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2980
[16:11] <compiledkernel> winehq doesnt rate the game very well high on compatibility levels
[16:11] <Raidsong> compiledkernel, Will o' the Wisp or a Double Wookiee?
[16:11] <compiledkernel> I would venture to guess there would be issues , even if its not his videos card.
[16:11] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: Wail 'O The Banshee.
[16:11] <Orion1> My buddy got it to work but he doesn't have my hardware
[16:12] <compiledkernel> just making sure all avenues are covered Orion1
[16:12] <Orion1> understood
[16:12] <Raidsong> compiledkernel, im more concerned by his lack of hardware drivers option
[16:12] <Raidsong> compiledkernel, you have that option right?
[16:13] <Raidsong> compiledkernel, dont have that option
[16:13] <Raidsong> im playing progress quest
[16:13] <compiledkernel> im looking through a VM atm Raidsong
[16:14] <Orion1> wow I can't wait till I understand all of this
[16:14] <compiledkernel> lol
[16:14] <compiledkernel> Orion1: it takes years of practice
[16:14] <compiledkernel> and the generation of much frustration, I assure you
[16:14] <Orion1> well I want to learn
[16:14] <Raidsong> Orion1, i felt the same way until i could then you feel a little unbalanced
[16:15] <compiledkernel> Raidsong: on my VM its actually 5 down from system
[16:15] <compiledkernel> not 3.
[16:16] <Raidsong> Orion1, try 5 down
[16:16] <Orion1> I wish I could give you guys a screenshot
[16:16] <Raidsong> im a Will o' the wisp Robot Monk
[16:17] <Orion1> that Network Tools
[16:17] <Raidsong> Orion1, and you downloaded this from the ubuntu website?
[16:18] <Orion1> yes
[16:18] <Raidsong> is it the x86 or x64?
[16:18] <Orion1> x86
[16:18] <Raidsong> then i have no idea your copy is different from mine
[16:19] <Raidsong> lukjad86, you here?
[16:19] <Chesamo> orion1: Open Terminal and enter the command: jockey-gtk
[16:19] <Chesamo> orion1: That's the program they're looking for
[16:20] <Orion1> it said its not installed
[16:20] <Orion1> should I install as it says
[16:20] <Chesamo> orion1; sudo aptitude install jockey-gtk
[16:20] <Chesamo> orion1: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Jockey comes preinstalled in the standard distro.
[16:20] <Orion1> 10.04
[16:21] <Chesamo> orion1: I mean what derivative
[16:21] <Raidsong> Orion1, its not the beta or anything is it?
[16:21] <Orion1> no
[16:21] <Orion1> LTS
[16:22] <Chesamo> Orion: The base distribution?
[16:22] <Chesamo> Orion1*
[16:22] <Orion1> I guess
[16:22] <Orion1> I went to the web stie
[16:22] <hobgoblin> Orion1: ubuntu kubuntu xubuntu ?
[16:22] <Orion1> Ubuntu
[16:22] <Orion1> downloaded it
[16:22] <Orion1> burned the image to a cd
[16:22] <Orion1> and installed
[16:22] <Chesamo> Orion1: Open up Terminal and enter this command: sudo aptitude -y install jockey-gtk
[16:22] <Raidsong> interesting
[16:23] <Chesamo> (As a sidenote: I've migrated to aptitude from apt-get in my daily use... I don't know why, but I like it better. Something about Apt-get rubs me the wrong way.)
[16:25] <Chesamo> Orion1: Has it completed?
[16:27] <Chesamo> Hm.
[18:08] <hobgoblin> evening ZachK_
[18:08] <ZachK_> ah hey hobgoblin
[18:09] <hobgoblin> hey ZachK_ I thought that at the very least the logs for the wiki fg page would be readable lol
[18:10] <Raidsong> hey ZachK_
[18:11] <ZachK_> hey Raidsong long time no see
[18:11] <hobgoblin> a {{{ at the beginning and }}} at the end should make it easier to read - can't remember how to get logs to look right ...
[18:11] <Raidsong> yea been doin stuff
[18:11] <hobgoblin> Raidsong: how's you - very long time no see
[18:11] <Raidsong> i move into my dorm in 2 days
[18:11] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: oh crap thanks for that man...i didn't even know
[18:11] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:11] <hobgoblin> bad advertisment lmao
[18:12] <hobgoblin> Raidsong: busy times ahead I guess
[18:12] <Raidsong> oh i know im majoring in anthropology
[18:12] <pleia2> hobgoblin: re: comment on blog - which one was you? :)
[18:13] <hobgoblin> really ? wow that is good Raidsong
[18:13] <hobgoblin> pleia2: piskie possibly - or elfy or something like that - but it wasn;t there when I looked - so Alastair Reynolds
[18:14]  * pleia2 couldn't find any of those
[18:14] <Raidsong> hobgoblin, you have an ever changing name
[18:14] <hobgoblin> Revelation Space - sci-fi space opera type thing - excellent read if you like detailed sci-fi
[18:14] <pleia2> cool, thanks
[18:14] <hobgoblin> Raidsong: :)
[18:14] <Raidsong> i end up with too many questions when i watch sci-fi
[18:14] <hobgoblin> pleia2: they are books that I have read a few times - each time a little bit more comes alive :)
[18:15] <pleia2> nice :)
[18:15] <hobgoblin> Raidsong: the idea is to :shrug: if it becomes too much :)
[18:15] <hobgoblin> pleia2: he's a scientist of some sort - atomic stuff I think - good reads
[18:17] <hobgoblin> compiledkernel: long time seeing you as well - how the devil are you old chap
[18:17] <compiledkernel> Spot on, ole bean.
[18:18] <hobgoblin> top hole
[18:18] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:28] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: i'm fixing the meeting log
[18:28] <hobgoblin> good chap :)
[18:28] <ZachK_> hobgoblin: yeah i guess that's why there is a "Preview" button eh?
[18:29] <ZachK_> there should be a saying, "Never Wiki while drowsy!"
[18:29] <hobgoblin> pretty useful that one is :)
[18:29] <hobgoblin> or while driving
[18:30] <Raidsong> is the x64 version preferred over the x32?
[18:31] <Raidsong> err x86
[18:31] <hobgoblin> I would on 64bit
[18:31] <Raidsong> does it really make a difference?
[18:31] <hobgoblin> I think the issues are a lot less prevalent than they used ot be
[18:31] <hobgoblin> depends I would say
[18:33] <Raidsong> depends on what?
[18:35] <hobgoblin> processor and memory :) If I was 64bit capabale I would install it - I might later revert - but I would rather see if it made any difference for myself
[18:36] <Raidsong> i think ill upgrade i have 4gig of ram and a nice peppy processor
[18:37] <pleia2> also depends on how much proprietary software you use and whether there is a 64bit version
[18:37] <ZachK_> Raidsong: but are you using 64-bit card
[18:37] <pleia2> it's been mostly solved for all the popular things (flash, adobe reader) but there are apps out there still that don't have a 64-bit version (amazon's downloader for mp3s springs to mind)
[18:37] <Raidsong> ZachK_, i bought this computer 1 day ago so i hope so
[18:38] <ZachK_> Raidsong: i'd check it
[18:38] <pleia2> you can get 32-bit apps to run in 64-bit, but it's non-trivial (not *hard* exactly, just not clicky clicky simple)
[18:38] <Raidsong> dual core processor
[18:39] <pleia2> that said, I'm making the 64-bit leap on my primary desktop this weekend
[18:39]  * pleia2 pets good ole pae kernel
[18:39] <Raidsong> do they still make x86 processors?
[18:39] <hobgoblin> pleia2: this is true - but something I forget about the only prop software I use is flash etc and nvidia
[18:39] <pleia2> hobgoblin: yeah, I don't use much myself but I do help folks install ubuntu pretty frequently and bump into this stuff :\
[18:39] <Raidsong> i have to use a prop wifi driver
[18:39] <hobgoblin> pleia2: and amazon :(
[18:40] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:41] <ZachK_> me too Raidsong
[18:41] <Raidsong> ZachK_, what brand is your comp?
[18:41] <pleia2> Raidsong: I'd do some research on the prop wifi driver, it should be fine since hardware vendors tend to be ok at releasing for 64-bit, but you'll want to be sure :)
[18:41] <ZachK_> Raidsong: dell
[18:41] <Raidsong> ZachK_, is yours an inspiron?
[18:42] <ZachK_> Raidsong: Dell Hybrid
[18:42] <Raidsong> pleia2, if its not there ill just switch back
[18:42] <ZachK_> Raidsong: it's the super small desktop
[18:54] <Raidsong> ZachK_, hows your job going?
[18:54] <ZachK_> Raidsong: got fired...
[18:54] <Raidsong> that sucks
[19:00] <ZachK_> Raidsong: yeah
[19:09] <nishanth> very recently ubuntu stopped playing an online live streaming using an MMS plugin. can anyone help me make this video work http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[19:15] <holstein> nishanth: what vid?
[19:16] <nishanth> holstein this link used to work on ubuntu the link has a live streaming video but recently it stopped working
[19:16] <holstein> the one under the words html protector?
[19:16] <holstein> http://www.designerwiz.com/ants/product.htm
[19:17] <nishanth> holstein this link http://olangal.com/component/content/article/48-live-tv/1425-asianet-live.html
[19:20] <holstein> doesnt play in ubuntu
[19:20] <holstein> says 'missing plugin' in chrome on OSX
[19:22] <shredder12> nishanth, its weird, mine says 403 forbidden :P
[19:23] <shredder12> nishanth, there is an app "mimms" install it using synaptic or apt-get, you can use it to download mms streams.
[19:40] <nishanth> shredder12 wat to do after i install mimms?
[19:42] <nishanth> holstein ya it says that in chrome... how abt but it just gives me a blank screen with a seek bar on firefox
[19:47] <Angus> i need some help with a find command
[19:47] <Angus> i want to recursively find all files ending with .jpg
[19:48] <Angus> so i used find . -name "*.jpg*
[19:49] <Angus> but that returned find: paths must precede expression: . Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression]
[19:49] <Angus> can anyone help?
[19:50] <holstein> we need to find out what those arguments do Angus
[19:51] <holstein> m@peppermint ~ $ find /home/m -name "*.jpg"
[19:51] <holstein> /home/m/Downloads/car.jpg
[19:52] <holstein> Angus: maybe something to do with the path?
[19:52] <Angus> that's wierd
[19:52] <Angus> using /home/angus
[19:52] <Angus> worked
[19:52] <holstein> yup
[19:53] <Angus> well
[19:53] <Angus> thanks a lot
[20:33] <tdn> How do I make my netbook automatically connect to open wireless networks if they are available? Even before a user is logged in?
[20:34] <Chesamo> tdn: You can't, to my knowledge
[20:35] <tdn> Chesamo, why not?
[20:35] <Chesamo> tdn: Wireless interfaces don't get configured before logging in, afaik
[20:35] <Chesamo> tdn: Wired do, but not wireless
[20:35] <tdn> Chesamo, why is that?
[20:35] <tdn> Chesamo, why treat wireless differently?
[20:35] <Chesamo> tdn: I'm not a developer. I don't know.
[20:35] <tdn> OK.
[20:35] <Chesamo> tdn: Probably has to do with the way wireless authentication works.
[20:36] <tdn> I mean open wireless networks. The ones that does not need authentication.
[20:37] <Chesamo> tdn: Oh, I know. It's because wireless networks aren't handled by anything at the tty level. It's usually network-manager that does it, which is a GNOME interface.
[20:37] <shredder12> tdn, I am not really sure about this, but the Network manager stores the information about wireless connections in one's home folder. So, this means it considers wireless connections separate for each user. May be that's why
[20:37] <Chesamo> tdn: Also, you can't automatically connect to an unknown wireless network. It's a security hazard
[20:37] <tdn> Chesamo, but shouldn't it be possible to configure the network to come up without network manager? And then have network manager take over, if a user logs in afterwards?
[20:38] <Chesamo> tdn: See shredder's comment. As far as I'm aware, Linux prevents the computer from connecting to any wireless networks before logging in.
[20:38] <tdn> shredder12, except that they are not separate for each user. If there if ONE wlan card in a box and it has a connection, then all users logged in has network.
[20:39] <Chesamo> tdn: That's because it's been configured (by that one user)
[20:39] <tdn> Chesamo, it is only a security hazard if I do not know what I am doing.
[20:39] <tdn> Chesamo, I am pretty sure that it is not linux (the kernel) that prevents this.
[20:39] <Chesamo> tdn: Connect to unknown, open, unencrypted wireless networks automatically? I have my doubts.
[20:40] <Chesamo> tdn: I know it's not the kernel, but it's the particular order that Linux starts things (which services before and after login)
[20:40] <Chesamo> tdn: one possibility would be to write a script to do what you're saying and have it run on boot
[20:40] <tdn> Chesamo, you mean Upstart? Or Sys.V or what do you mean?
[20:40] <shredder12> tdn, yes indeed, but if there are multiple users on a system and only one has authorized access to some wireless network. Therefore, in order to prevent his authorization private and only connectivity only available to him, NM separates the data
[20:41] <tdn> Chesamo, that was exactly what I was thinking.
[20:41] <Chesamo> tdn: Sys.V?.... are you referring to UNIX System V?
[20:41] <tdn> Chesamo, yes, sys.v init.
[20:42] <Chesamo> tdn: Debian doesn't use run levels.
[20:42] <tdn> How do I set up wireless network to come up without network-manager?
[20:42] <Chesamo> tdn: ifconfig can handle wireless networks.
[20:42] <shredder12> tdn, you may also try configuring the file /etc/network/interfaces file to connect to wireless networks. This will be done independent of network manager and might even solve your problem of connecting without logging in
[20:45] <tdn> Ok. So I can put the wireless NIC in /etc/network/interfaces, but this gives me two sub problems: 1) If I put the NIC in /etc/network/interfaces, then it disappears from network-manager, and so the users cannot connect to a different wlan, when they log in. 2) I know how to configure the wlan nic in /etc/network/interfaces to connect to a specific network (SSID), but not how to just automatically select ANY open wireless network.
[20:45] <tdn> Did the whole message get through? Last words were "ANY open wireless network."
[20:45] <Chesamo> tdn: Yes, we got it
[20:46] <tdn> How can I solve sub problems 1 and 2?
[20:46] <tdn> Chesamo, cool.
[20:46] <Chesamo> tdn: try using an ifconfig script instead
[20:46] <tdn> Chesamo, how would that go?
[20:46] <Chesamo> tdn: probably something along the lines of (in pseudocode):
[20:47] <Chesamo> tdn: 1. List all open wireless networks
[20:47] <tdn> Chesamo, do you mean iwconfig?
[20:47] <Chesamo> tdn: 2. use cat to skim off the top line
[20:47] <tdn> 1. can be done with  iwlist wlan0 scan
[20:47] <Chesamo> tdn: The last time I configured a wireless network by hand was ub Ubuntu 7.04, so forgive me if my program names are a little outdated
[20:48] <tdn> No problem :)
[20:48] <Chesamo> 3. tee that first line into iwconfig as the SSID and connect
[20:49] <tdn> iwlist wlan0 scan |grep key:off -A2 |grep ESSID |cut -d':' -f2
[20:49] <tdn> Gives a list of ESSIDs for open wlans.
[20:50] <roxy1> hy
[20:50] <roxy1> i need a help
[20:51] <Chesamo> yes, roxy1?
[20:51] <roxy1> how can i install falsh player in ubuntu
[20:51] <Chesamo> roxy1: sudo aptitude -y install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:51] <tdn> In a terminal write: apt-cache search flashplayer
[20:52] <roxy1> nuthing happen
[20:52] <Chesamo> roxy1: What do you mean by "nothing"?
[20:52] <Chesamo> roxy1: What browser are you using?
[20:53] <holstein> you need to restart te browser to
[20:53] <roxy1> yes
[20:53] <roxy1> sory
[20:53] <holstein> after installing the flash plugin
[20:53] <roxy1> i have input wrong command
[20:53] <holstein> too*
[20:54] <roxy1> ing dependency tree
[20:54] <roxy1> Reading state information... Done
[20:54] <roxy1> Initializing package states... Done
[20:54] <roxy1> Writing extended state information... Done
[20:54] <roxy1> Couldn't find any package whose name or desc
[20:54] <roxy1> Initializing package states... Done
[20:54] <roxy1> thanks
[20:54] <Chesamo> roxy1: Don't copy and paste like that
[20:54] <roxy1> oki sory chesamo
[20:55] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/ FTW :)
[20:55] <Chesamo> roxy1: oh, right. You have to enable the universe repos. Go to System > Administration > Software Sources
[20:56] <Chesamo> roxy1: Check all the boxes that don't say "source" next to them
[20:57] <roxy1> chesmo i dont understand i am just 16 yer old and today i have installed
[20:58] <roxy1> when i am clicking on thirdparty asking for cd/rom ?
[20:58] <Chesamo> roxy1: I started using Linux when I was 14. Anyway. Up on the top bar, there's a menu called "System". Under that there's a submenu called "Administration". Inside that is a program called "Software Sources".
[20:59] <Chesamo> roxy1: Asking for the CD? Why?
[20:59] <roxy1> i can see ubuntu softwer third-party softwer update authentication statics
[20:59] <roxy1> now what to do next sir
[21:01] <Chesamo> roxy1: Wait... what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[21:01] <Chesamo> roxy1: Oh, wait, nevermind.
[21:01] <roxy1> its old version
[21:02] <Chesamo> roxy1: Which one, and why?
[21:02] <roxy1> i dont know :-s i got a cd on my freind desk and pick it up but i have curosity to know about it :)
[21:03] <roxy1> how to find which version  ubuntu it is?
[21:03] <Chesamo> um
[21:04] <Chesamo> roxy1: System > Helps and Support
[21:04] <Chesamo> Ero, no
[21:04] <Chesamo> AH!
[21:04] <roxy1> i can see help center
[21:04] <Chesamo> roxy1: Open a Terminal
[21:04] <roxy1> yes
[21:04] <roxy1> i have open it
[21:05] <Chesamo> type: "cat /etc/issue" (without the quotes) and hit Enter
[21:05] <roxy1> cat/etc/issue
[21:05] <roxy1> sowi :p
[21:05] <Chesamo> space
[21:05] <Chesamo> cat <SPACE> /etc/issue
[21:06] <roxy1> its writeen ubuntu jaunty (development branch) \n \l
[21:07] <Chesamo> roxy1: Ah, so it's about a year old. Not bad. Okay.
[21:07] <roxy1> what does it mean?
[21:07] <roxy1> who is jaunty?
[21:07] <Chesamo> roxy1: "Jaunty Jackaloupe" is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04
[21:08] <roxy1> o i c
[21:08] <roxy1> thanks sir
[21:08] <Chesamo> roxy1: The latest version being "Lucid Lynx", or Ubuntu 10.04
[21:08] <roxy1> oki
[21:08] <roxy1> so how can i install it?
[21:08] <roxy1> and what about my flash player
[21:08] <Chesamo> roxy1: type "uname -a" into the Terminal and paste the result here
[21:08] <Chesamo> roxy1: I'll get to that, don't worry
[21:10] <roxy1> should i past here?
[21:10] <Chesamo> roxy1: It's only one line, so go ahead
[21:10] <roxy1> Linux hacker-desktop 2.6.28-8-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 25 04:28:54 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:10] <Chesamo> roxy1: okay, you're running x86. That's nice and easy.
[21:10] <Raidsong> after fighting with my wireless for an hour doing every test i can think of to figure out why it isnt working i realize the password is wrong
[21:11] <Chesamo> Raidsong: We all do that from time to time ;-)
[21:11] <roxy1> lol radsongs =))
[21:11] <roxy1> i have also the same problem raidsong :p
[21:11] <roxy1> chesamo ? what to do next
[21:12] <Raidsong> usually ill bump the switch and turn the wireless off then get mad at my computer when the internet doesnt work
[21:12] <Chesamo> roxy1: one moment
[21:12] <roxy1> oki
[21:14] <Chesamo> roxy1: you have Software Sources open?
[21:16] <roxy1> yes
[21:17] <Chesamo> roxy1: Go into Third Party Software and check all the boxes there, then go back into Ubuntu Software and check all of the "universe" and "multiverse" boxes
[21:17] <Chesamo> roxy1: It's been a while since I used Jaunty, so forgive me if my interface particulars are a little fuzzy
[21:17] <Chesamo> roxy1: But don't check the one that says "CD/DVD"
[21:20] <roxy1> chesamo sir in third party there is complet blank. nuthing is there. and now when i move to ubuntu softwer i found community maintained open source softwer (universe) and software restricted or legal ussues(multiverse)
[21:20] <Chesamo> roxy1: Okay, check those.
[21:20] <roxy1> now what to do next
[21:20] <Chesamo> roxy1: Hit OK. Let it scan for new software when it asks.
[21:21] <roxy1> oki? i can't find oki option i can see REVERT and CLOSE
[21:21] <Chesamo> roxy1: Close.
[21:22] <roxy1> oki
[21:22] <Chesamo> roxy1: then go into Terminal and type: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -y install ubuntu-restricted-extras" and hit enter
[21:22] <roxy1> Its downloding the package information
[21:24] <roxy1> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
[21:24] <roxy1> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 646 not upgraded
[21:24] <roxy1> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used
[21:24] <roxy1> i am geting this messages
[21:25] <Chesamo> roxy1: I know. Don't paste them unless I ask for the output, please.
[21:25] <roxy1> oki
[21:25] <roxy1> now its downloding package files
[21:26] <roxy1> o my god it will take 2 hour
[21:26] <roxy1> =-O
[21:26] <Chesamo> roxy1: it's installing a lot of things
[21:26] <roxy1> yes 654 files
[21:26] <Chesamo> roxy1: MP3 codec, DVD codec, Flash player, Java runtime environment
[21:27] <roxy1> no i dont want entirtainment things
[21:27] <Chesamo> ctrl-C
[21:27] <roxy1> i want to learn programing linux shell coding programing i only need flash player
[21:27] <Chesamo> ctl-C
[21:27] <Chesamo> that'll interrupt it.
[21:28] <Chesamo> ie. stop the installation
[21:28] <roxy1> oki
[21:28] <Chesamo> then run "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[21:28] <Chesamo> er
[21:28] <Chesamo> no
[21:29] <Chesamo> "sudo aptitude purge ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[21:30] <roxy1> chesmo
[21:30] <roxy1> let it be install
[21:30] <Chesamo> what
[21:30] <roxy1> those file 1st
[21:30] <Chesamo> rephrase that sentence please?
[21:31] <roxy1> i mean to say let it be install all the files 654 1st
[21:31] <roxy1> and let me check..
[21:31] <Chesamo> I don't... have any idea what that sentence meanse
[21:31] <Chesamo> can anyone help me out here?
[21:31] <Chesamo> means*
[21:32] <roxy1> oh sory english is my second language and i am bad in it :(
[21:32] <Chesamo> roxy1: ctrl+c stopped the files from being downloaded. Nothing was installed.
[21:33] <roxy1> but it shows 22 files have been downloded?
[21:33] <Chesamo> Downloaded, yes
[21:33] <Chesamo> downloading a package is different from installing it
[21:33] <Chesamo> run: "sudo aptitude -y clean" and it'll take care of those files
[21:34] <roxy1> yes then here downloding is going on .
[21:34] <roxy1> oki
[21:34]  * Chesamo blinks
[21:34] <Chesamo> What
[21:34] <Chesamo> ....anyway.
[21:35] <Chesamo> after that, run: "sudo aptitude -y install flashplugin-nonfree"
[21:35] <roxy1> yes i have writeen that command in terminal
[21:35] <Chesamo> "running" a command means typing it in and then hitting Enter.
[21:36] <Raidsong> chesamo isnt that the transitional package?
[21:36] <Chesamo> Raidsong: Yes? But I don't know what difference that makes
[21:36] <Chesamo> should be uh... flasplugin-installer? I forget that far ago
[21:38] <Raidsong> yes thats the installer the transitional is only for people who cant install it regularly
[21:38] <Raidsong> ive never seen the transitional package used
[21:39] <Chesamo> I've never installed libflashplayer without the rest of -restricted-extras
[21:39] <roxy1> hy i have stoped the downloding
[21:39] <roxy1> and now its installing
[21:40] <Chesamo> or I've always done it through the tarball at the Adobe site
[21:40] <Raidsong> i always do it when im prompted to by a website
[21:41] <Chesamo> I don't use Firefox though ;-) so it's always a hassle for me.
[21:42] <Raidsong> what do you use?
[21:42] <Chesamo> Opera, formerly Chrome
[21:42] <roxy1> chesmo you know how to register my computer on ubuntu server to get the ubuntu softwer through third party
[21:43] <Chesamo> roxy1: Uhhhhhhh.... what? Run that by me again?
[21:43] <roxy1> ?
[21:43] <Chesamo> Can you rephrase that please?
[21:44] <roxy1> i mean how to get softwer through thirdparty
[21:44] <roxy1> chesmo but sound is not coming.
[21:45] <roxy1> i have install flashplayer but sound is not coming when i am watching youtube videos
[21:45] <Chesamo> roxy1: does sound work elsewhere in the system?
[21:46] <roxy1> don't know
[21:47] <Chesamo> roxy1: It's possible your sound card doesn't work yet in Ubuntu. What system are you running?
[21:47] <roxy1> chesamo can you tell me how audio will run
[21:47] <roxy1> i have sata samsun harddick
[21:48] <roxy1> disk*
[21:48] <Chesamo> roxy1: What computer are you running... brand, model, make
[21:48] <roxy1> its assembal
[21:48] <Chesamo> what motherboard?
[21:48] <roxy1> intel
[21:48] <Chesamo> which one?
[21:48] <roxy1> intelmother board
[21:48] <Chesamo> Which motherboard? Intel makes several
[21:49] <roxy1> intel dg41rql
[21:51] <roxy1> ?
[21:51] <Chesamo> you wouldn't happen to be from one of the Slovakian countries, would you? Or Russia?
[21:51] <roxy1> nops i am from india
[21:51] <Chesamo> HM
[21:52] <Chesamo> Whoops. Caps.
[21:52] <roxy1> so? how my system will be audiable
[21:54] <roxy1> ??
[21:54] <Chesamo> run this comm--
[21:54] <Chesamo> Or not....
[21:55] <Chesamo> I have to go as well. If they come back, someone tell them to run "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec" and here's something that might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto


[00:00] <Wafficus> gotcha
[00:00] <Wafficus> I forked it, and im gonna git clone it right now, and look at the source code
[00:08] <Wafficus> ok so I looked at a few things
[00:08] <Wafficus> for one, this is probably C++ or C hence the .cpp or .h files
[00:08] <wxl> did you find the modules directory?
[00:09] <Wafficus> I kind of get it though, looking at the source, and have only got up to pointers in C++ way way way long ago in high school (got a C+ in that class), I can see that this program basically makes sure that it runs without error
[00:09] <wxl> this is the module https://github.com/calamares/calamares/tree/master/src/modules/netinstall
[00:09] <Wafficus> the .h files contain headers im assuming that dictate the functions as well
[00:10] <Wafficus> yeah I forked the entire calamares directory
[00:10] <Wafficus> is the net install different?
[00:10] <Wafficus> *repository rather
[00:10] <Wafficus> found the modules directory
[00:10] <wxl> the README should explain it all
[00:11] <Wafficus> yep, reading through it now
[00:12] <Wafficus> ah hence you were talking about qt, gotcha
[00:12] <Wafficus> I tried pyqt, but thought it was damn hard tbh, but I tried some Arizona State open source guide to PyQT
[00:12] <Wafficus> might be different this time I guess
[00:12] <lyorian> tsimonq2: is the cron setup to build off the LXDE branch of lubuntu manual I never got an answer to that as if it gets turned on and I start pushing changes to launchpad master
[00:12] <wxl> luckily in this case, you probably won't need to know more than yaml XD
[00:12] <Wafficus> sweet
[00:12] <Wafficus> i'll keep reading
[00:13] <Wafficus> but again, let me know what you need me to know, and I can try my best
[00:13] <wxl> lyorian: it's broken right now anyways and we need to re-figure it out, so just go for it
[00:13] <lyorian> tbh I found yaml harder than pyqt but I know I am wierd in that regard
[00:13] <Wafficus> its just maybe I'm tackling the whole thing, but I was intimidated by the whole bug itself ha
 So wxl, I guess you missed the IRC discussion in #calamares and I forgot to note it. :P
[00:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: wooooooooooooot
 We need to fork netinstall.
[00:13] <wxl> why?
 It doesn't have full support for everything we need.
[00:14] <wxl> in what way?
 It only does checkboxes.
 We need radio buttons.
 It seems trivial but the support just isn't there.
[00:14] <wxl> does that really matter?
 Uh, yeah it does :)
[00:14] <wxl> you want to exclusively have one option over another?
 Plus, for the UX we're going for, it unfortunately just won't work.
 Well, sections of radio boxes allowing for swapping out.
 Either way, even if we did checkboxes, we need to split it into sections.
[00:15] <wxl> i see
[00:15] <wxl> ^^ there ya go Wafficus
[00:15] <Wafficus> what?
[00:15] <Wafficus> i'm still reading
[00:15] <wxl> so will they accept a PR if we provide it?
[00:15] <Wafficus> the readme that is
[00:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ^
 @wxl [<wxl> so will they accept a PR if we provide it?], No, we'd have to put it into a separate module.
[00:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: our own special module?
 See the IRC discussion, it was with Kevin from Fedora.
 Yeah.
[00:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: or netinstall2? XD
 Hehe
 Just read the IRC discussion
[00:16] <wxl> so this is something that will uhhh end up in the calamares-settings package?
 I explain it in depth there
[00:16] <wxl> i don't want to read all that crap :)
 Yeah.
[00:17] <wxl> ok that's dumb
 Dude, I don't want to have to explain it twice. Also I'm tired. :P
[00:17] <Wafficus> so you need a module.desc file, need to use CMake, use calamares_add_plugin() to make a module
[00:17] <wxl> Wafficus: we need to fork the netinstall module and get it to work for radio buttons instead of checkboxes
[00:17] <Wafficus> ok i'll scroll up and fork that part too
[00:20] <Wafficus> oh ok I see
[00:20] <Wafficus> so I see that directory
[00:20] <Wafficus> so you're wanting to make this module work with Lubuntu right? just this section?
[00:20] <Wafficus> just asking cause even the readme is a bit high up for me, but I get the premise though of what you're trying to do
[00:21] <Wafficus> i'll just keep looking at the source code in the netinstall folder like you said
[00:22] <wxl> just netinstall
[00:22] <wxl> it currently only supports checkboxes. we need to make it work for radio buttons.
[00:22] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[00:22] <wxl> currently netinstall allows you to install extra packages
[00:22] <Wafficus> i'll look around for the checkbox code
[00:23] <wxl> so let's say we didn't have a web browser. someone could check web browser and some predefined web browser would be installed
[00:23] <wxl> what we want is to have exclusive options: someone can pick between multiple web browsers, but only one of them
[00:23] <Wafficus> well, its not in the yaml file, thats just a list of defaults for different systems im assuming
[00:23] <Wafficus> yeah I know what radio buttons are
[00:23] <wxl> we don't want people to have two web browsers installed. that's confusing
[00:23] <Wafficus> makes sense
[00:23] <Wafficus> true that
[00:23] <Wafficus> understood
[00:23] <wxl> and yes that part is not going to be in the yaml
[00:24] <Wafficus> within the GUI menu, you want a radio button to select between those otions
[00:24] <wxl> that's going to be in the qt code, as it is part of the ui essentially
[00:24] <wxl> yep
[00:24] <Wafficus> ive build websites with that so far ha, I know enough HTML+CSS for that lol
[00:24] <Wafficus> gotcha qt code
[00:24] <wxl> there may be some additional c++ logic required to support that but i'm not sure
[00:28] <Wafficus> well I couldn't glean it from the README.md in the netinstall directory, or see it in the .conf file just yet
[00:28] <Wafficus> i'll keep looking for the radio button
[00:28] <Wafficus> option*
[00:28] <wxl> it doesn't have the option
[00:28] <wxl> that's what i'm saying
[00:28] <wxl> we need to add it
[00:28] <Wafficus> oh gotcha
[00:28] <Wafficus> well I might as well find where the checkbox section is
[00:28] <Wafficus> and then see how I could implement it
[00:33] <Wafficus> yeah Ive been looking, can't find it just yet
[00:33] <Wafficus> I have it on my Git, so I can look again tomorrow after work, or during lunch too after I get my Python stuff in aka book work, and project work
[00:34] <Wafficus> I'll definitely keep looking wxl, thanks. Will be back again on tomorrow afternoon (around 1 pm EST)
[00:34] <Wafficus> thanks for helping me pick a bug to work on, I'm looking forward to this
[00:35] <wxl> i'm pretty sure this is the ui https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/master/src/modules/netinstall/page_netinst.ui
[00:36] <Wafficus> oh wow
[00:36] <Wafficus> look at that its html
[00:36] <Wafficus> sick
[00:36] <Wafficus> yeah I can definitely look into this tomorrow
[00:36] <Wafficus> is that ok wxl?
[00:36] <wxl> sure
[00:37] <Wafficus> cool man, cya for now, gotta do some house errand stuff
[00:37] <Wafficus> thanks for the help, will keep you updated
[00:37] <wxl> it looks like somewhere around here might be the program logic https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/master/src/modules/netinstall/PackageTreeItem.cpp#L195
[00:37] <wxl> good luck :) you're mostly in the same boat as us i fthat helps any XD
[00:37] <wxl> we'll figure it out together
[00:37] <Wafficus> ha you know it
[00:38] <Wafficus> for sure
[00:38] <wxl> oh and #calamares might be a good place to ask for help, too
[00:38] <Wafficus> though Im a total script kiddie and haven't done more than a couple twitter bot webscrapers that utilize cron jobs on a server
[00:38] <Wafficus> good idea
[00:38] <wxl> it's a good way to learn :)
[00:38] <Wafficus> for sure, definitely
[00:38] <Wafficus> anyway I'll cya later
[00:39] <wxl> kthxbai
 Is there a built-in gui bluetooth manager?
[00:40] <wxl> not sure. there may not be. which may be our problem.
[00:41] <wxl> it would be nice to find something qt but it only seems to be bluemoon and i'm not convinced it's reliable (hasn't had activity since 2016)
 I installed blueman from the repo. It seems to work well. I got my audio headset connected nicely.
[00:42] <wxl> ok so it sounds like we just need to add that to the seed
[00:43] <wxl> if you can find a qt bluetooth manager, bonus points to you
[00:43] <wxl> it seems we do have bluedevil
[00:43] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/browse/cosmic/desktop$124
[00:44] <wxl> or we should
[00:44] <wxl> is that not in there?
 I will check it out.
 I can call it from the cli but it isn't in the menu. I will start over testing that.
[00:47] <wxl> supposedly it's got a system tray thingy so we may just need to set up an autostart or something
[00:48] <wxl> feel free to send patches to lubuntu-default-settings if you discover something like that
[00:48] <wxl> bbl got to go pick up $kid
 Gonna have to poke at bluedevil a bit more. There is nothing in the autostart and no tray icon. I can only find a wizard that won't seem to connect my headset.
[02:31] <wxl> @kc2bez both seem to be using the same core pieces
[02:31] <wxl> one other alternative is porting blueman to qt. it's python so that woudl probably be trivial. https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman
 @wxl I've never done that but it may be a better way to go. Blueman seems pretty slick. I will dig more tomorrow. Sleep now.
[02:50] <wxl> @kc2bez well for now we just need to get in there something that works. i'd like to get something without a gtk dependency, so not-blueman would be nice for now. however, if bluedevil doesn't work, blueman it is.
 I will test some other devices too. There may be some optional dependencies that aren't installed for my headset.
[04:38] <wxl> @lyorian: are we sure we need texlive-FULL for the manual? this is ridiculous. i can garantee there's stuff we don't need, e..g music, math, games
[05:12] <lyorian> wxl sorry for not changing that tsimonq2put that in actually
[05:12] <lyorian> yeah texlive full pulls in a gig of installed stuff
[05:13] <wxl> lyorian: well, @tsimonq2 needs to be beat with a blunt object. but i guess we already knew that.
[05:19] <lyorian> wxl I was focusing mroe on the outline and how to lay out the directory structure for lxqt now rather than pruning unessicary build deps
[05:19] <wxl> lyorian: i know. and i appreciate it :)
[05:37] <lyorian> hmmm found old stuff refering to powerpc and alternates that is no longer needed for 18.10 and the documentation for LXQt
[05:48] <wxl> yeah don't need that at all
[05:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2: looking at tasksel/ubuntu-seeds.pl it seems $lubuntu_seed_base='bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds'. how did this ever work?
[12:00] <apt-ghetto> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
 @wxl Here is how bluetooth went today. I couldn't find bluedevil or any setting for bluetooth in the menu or the settings. I installed Blueman like @kc2bez. However, I was unable to connect to my Skull Candy headset. I get this error from the app.
 (Photo, 784x484) https://i.imgur.com/TKEGQzl.jpg
 I will keep playing with it.
 is this in virtual machine or physical machine? I've necver use bluetooth on virtual machine, don't know if it works w/o problems.
 It is a physical machine.
 I have an SSD with Kubuntu 18.04 and an SSD with a Lubuntu daily. The 2018/09/17 one is loaded now.
 I was testing on a physical machine as well. I will keep testing too. Hopefully with some other devices later this afternoon/evening.
[15:36] <wxl> f/ld
[15:36] <wxl> @TheWendyPower weird that @kc2bez found bluedevil there. anyways re: blueman i think you also need pulseaudio-module-bluetooth https://askubuntu.com/questions/801404/bluetooth-connection-failed-blueman-bluez-errors-dbusfailederror-protocol-no#801669
 I'll check that. KDE settings is also missing. Did that get pulled recently?
 the applet doesn't seem to show in the panel and the menu item isn't there but I was able to call the bluedevil-wizard. It failed to connect my device however.
[18:02] <wxl> @TheWendyPower here's some open source tools for mockups and the like https://mastodon.social/@jancborchardt/100746840345081751
 @wxl [<wxl> @TheWendyPower here's some open source tools for mockups and the like http …], Awesome! Thank you!!!
[18:04] <wxl> np :)
[18:05] <wxl> i note that first one also is adding a feature to allow designers to include code.. if they want to
 Cool
[18:48] <lyorian> whew large commit done on lubuntu manual master branch for lxqt
[18:50] <wxl> go lyorian go lyorian
[20:26] <lyorian> today I really did get a lot done but have a doctors appointment now
[21:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you awake again?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: you awake again?], Ish
[21:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: see my note about tasksel?
 @tsimonq2 @VikingRedwolf So as I work on the lubuntu-devel list I'm going to need access to the new logos. I know there is also a style guide for the LXQt version, but I can't seem to find it again.
 I know, Wendy. I'll upload everything, also the guide is posted on GIT. I'll send you the link.
 I just need to finish a few bits and pieces.
 Sounds good. Thank you @VikingRedwolf
 😘
[21:15]  * wxl pets @VikingRedwolf
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: see my note about tasksel?], Yeah, it worked in Bionic.
[21:20] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i guess what i'm saying is i don't understand how it did work in cosmic and now it doesn't and yet nothing has really changed unless i'm missing something
[21:22] <wxl> @tsimonq2: there was one change this year.. in march https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+changelog
 It doesn't work in Cosmic. :P
[21:30] <wxl> @tsimonq2: then explain to me how xfsutils WAS in there, but now it's not.. like this month
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: then explain to me how xfsutils WAS in there, but now it's not. …], It was?
[21:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: yes! that's whta i'm trying to explain. @lyorian can't you confirm we recently had xfsutils in the daily?
 O_o
[23:01] <lyorian> N: Unable to locate package xfsutils
[23:01] <lyorian> is what I get with apt policy xfsutils
[23:01] <wxl> but i mean it WAS there, right?
[23:01] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:03] <lyorian> There is a package called xfsprogs that makes it work
[23:04] <lyorian> so has it been the wrong name the whole time?
[23:04] <wxl> nooooooo
[23:04] <wxl> right now the dailies lack xfsprogs
[23:04] <wxl> it has been suggested this is because of some goofy tasksel hacks that we did at the beginning of the cycle not working right
[23:05] <wxl> but i swear at some point the dailies DID have xfsprogs. i added them to the seed at smoe point
[23:05] <wxl> and i believe after that i checked to make sure it was there and it was
[23:05] <wxl> if that's the case, its disappearance is inexplicable
[23:05] <wxl> regardless the tasksel doesn't seem to have changed..........
 @wxl I have done some more testing on bluetooth. I was able to pair a keyboard and a mouse using the bluedevil-wizard. I know you were looking to stay QT.  Still unable to pair my headset.
[23:28] <wxl> @kc2bez well that's a good sign! did you see my note about the puleaudio module re: the headset?
 I installed that before I tried to pair again. no dice
[23:30] <wxl> @kc2bez since bluedevil is a kde thing, maybe try it out on kubuntu and see if it works out of the box. maybe we can figure out which libs/modules they use to make it happen
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez since bluedevil is a kde thing, maybe try it out on kubuntu and se …], I will do some more Bluetooth testing later and try it out. I have Kubuntu on another ssd.
 I have a pastebin output if it will help.
[23:34] <wxl> there are some kind of specific kde things in the bluedevil package, but they shouldn't affect things:
[23:35] <wxl>  1. kde control module (their system settings are modular), but this is essentially a duplicate of the actual apps that do the configuration
 Kubuntu works flawlessly. I was on the daily earlier this eve.
[23:36] <wxl>  2. integration with kio, which should make discovery via file browser possible-- i doubt pcmanfm-qt necessarily supports this (and that's ok-- that's icing on the cake if we have it at all)
 kde has the panel app/icon out of the box.
[23:36] <wxl> but the other stuff (pairing wizard, system daemon) should be pretty general
[23:36] <wxl> the only question is the system tray application
 The system tray app isn't there in Lubuntu even though I have devices paired.
 The pairing wizard looks the same for both.
[23:40] <wxl> i can't imagine that icon is specific to plasma, but it could be
[23:40] <wxl> perhaps we need to add a little fluff to generalize it
 It will need a menu item as well.
[23:43] <wxl> i mean e.g. keypassx has a system tray icon which i know works in lxpanel-qt, plasma panel, and awesomewm's wibox.widget.systray
[23:43] <wxl> the menu item should be really easy. essentially creating a desktop file is all it will take. that's a simple fix to lubuntu-default-settings
[23:44] <wxl> @kc2bez can i ask you for a super big favor? to write up everything you've discovered so far and some of these questions we have on the phabricator task on the subject?
 I will attempt to do so.
[23:45] <wxl> do you need the link?
 I think I can find it. phab.lubuntu.me
[23:45] <wxl> oooh we got a FFe for this cycle https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1788904
[23:46] <wxl> which is to say we can keep developing down to the last minute XD


[00:27] <InHisName> due to a lack of difinitive scheduling, I'll stay home all day and study cisco materials.
[00:29] <JonathanD> andrew: seems not.
[00:29] <JonathanD> we'll do it anohter time.
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> finally settled in pittsburg
[09:22] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:31] <rmg51> Morning
[10:32] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[10:36] <rmg51> got to go
[10:36] <rmg51> shopping time
[11:22] <waltman> Morning.
[11:23] <JonathanD> fosscon up on freenode blog
[11:24] <InHisName> Morning all
[11:24] <JonathanD> howdy InHisName
[11:24] <JonathanD> hey waltman
[11:25] <waltman> hey hey
[11:25] <JonathanD> How goes?
[11:25] <waltman> Tired. Too much partying this week. :)
[11:25] <InHisName> Goes nicely
[11:25] <JonathanD> haha.
[11:26] <waltman> saw some Drexel friends last night I hadn't seen in a while.
[11:26] <waltman> and @friends' rambunctious 3 year old :)
[11:26] <InHisName> Doctors aren't supposed to be partying, they're supposed to be upright, rigid, a regular person (not a party animal)
[11:27] <waltman> InHisName: You clearly need to watch more TV medical shows. :)
[11:27] <InHisName> TV is false rendering of whatever they're spoofing
[11:27] <JonathanD> MASH.
[11:27] <InHisName> Loved it despite the above comment
[11:28] <JonathanD> my printer will be here monday.
[11:28] <JonathanD> I need things to print!
[11:29] <JonathanD> waltman: can I print anything for you?
[11:29] <waltman> Yes!
[11:29] <waltman> Want to print several copies of my 200 page dissertation on acid-free cotton paper?
[11:29] <JonathanD> waltman: got a xerox phaser 6500 on the way.
[11:29]  * waltman googles
[11:30] <InHisName> Did you actually PAY full price for that printer?   Aren't they x-thousands ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> InHisName: newegg had it for $200, it's normally about $400
[11:31] <waltman> InHisName: JonathanD never pays full price for *anything*.
[11:31] <JonathanD> Also fosscon is paying for part of it.
[11:31] <InHisName> black only ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> InHisName: color
[11:31] <JonathanD> I print oodles of crap for fosscon at staples for 30 cents a page.
[11:31] <InHisName> What's refills cost ?  # copies per ?
[11:31] <JonathanD> I thought this would be better.
[11:31] <JonathanD> in the long run.
[11:32] <JonathanD> InHisName: it's about 16 cents for a color page, if I use xerox supplies, and about 2/3 that if I don't.
[11:32] <waltman> I do, in fact, need to print several copies of my thesis on fancy paper, but I'm planning to do it at Staples or Kinkos.
[11:32] <JonathanD> waltman: how many is several?
[11:32] <waltman> 30 cents/page
[11:32] <waltman> at least 2, maybe 3.
[11:32] <JonathanD> waltman: 30 cents a page for color.
[11:32] <JonathanD> B&W is somehwat less, at staples.
[11:33] <JonathanD> I'll check, I noted it yesterday.
[11:33] <InHisName> Hey, waltman offer JonathanD 20 cents page and get a deal
[11:33] <waltman> the pdf has color, but I can get by with b&w
[11:33] <waltman> in fact I believe it *has* to be b&w
[11:33] <waltman> This is the archival copy that the library gets.
[11:33] <InHisName> That's the saving spirit !
[11:35] <JonathanD> waltman: 11cents for B&W at staples.
[11:36] <waltman> even in bulk?
[11:36] <JonathanD> Moment.
[11:36] <JonathanD> might be less.
[11:36] <JonathanD> how many pages total?
[11:37] <JonathanD> 200 x 3?
[11:37] <JonathanD> $54
[11:37] <JonathanD> so yeah.
[11:37] <JonathanD> even in bulk.
[11:37] <InHisName> There's self service machines that are lower, but don't know if you can change paper to one you want.
[11:37] <JonathanD> InHisName: this price is based on the web-submission thing. straight photocopy might be cheaper.
[11:38] <InHisName> they might accept memory sticks by now at walk up ones.
[11:38] <JonathanD> I don't know what it'll actually be on waltman's special paper.
[11:38] <waltman> I suppose I could print it out on the department's printer...
[11:39] <waltman> yeah, the paper's an issue, too
[11:39] <JonathanD> The one i ordered is supposedly 3.5 cents per page.
[11:39] <JonathanD> not including paper, of course.
[11:39] <JonathanD> thats for B&W
[11:39] <JonathanD> http://www.office.xerox.com/latest/OPBFS-13.PDF
[11:41] <waltman> I have a small laser printer (HP P1006) at home, but it's not really intended for large jobs like that.
[11:41] <InHisName> Wow some are as low as 1.7 cents.   Must be the x-thousands priced printers.
[11:41] <JonathanD> InHisName: those were outside my budget :)
[11:41] <waltman> the P1006 is awesome for low-volume jobs though
[11:41] <JonathanD> But I thought 200 was pretty reasonable.
[11:42] <InHisName> one even B&W only 0.9 cents   Phaser 5550
[11:42] <JonathanD> waltman: I havea little lexmark E321, but it jams when it gets too hot.
[11:42] <JonathanD> which is after about 30 pages.
[11:43] <waltman> I mostly use mine for printing out coupons and directions.
[11:43] <JonathanD> http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-106R01597-106R01594-106R01595-Cartridges/dp/B005FW6AK2
[11:43] <JonathanD> my toner.
[11:44] <waltman> I got my printer at Staples for $40 after a sale and a rebate for returning my old broken inkjet.
[11:45] <JonathanD> $22 for a black 3,000 pager (non-xerox)
[11:45] <waltman> I'll occasionally print out a PDF, but they're generally <10 pages.
[11:45] <InHisName> 8 carts $119    3K pages each  for black that's not to bad at all
[11:46] <JonathanD> thats 136 pages per $
[11:46] <JonathanD> less than a cent per page.
[11:46] <JonathanD> I think I'm going to be pretty happy with this thing :D
[11:46] <JonathanD> waltman: let me know if you want to come over here and print :P
[11:46] <waltman> nice
[11:46] <waltman> thx
[11:46] <InHisName> There are other consumables adding into 3.5 cents.   Usually a drum is separate, and theres the paper.
[11:47] <waltman> maybe you want to give it a nice burn-in :)
[11:47] <JonathanD> InHisName: in waltman's case he'll br bringing his own paper anyway.
[11:47] <JonathanD> Since he has extra special paper needs apparently.
[11:48] <InHisName> Probably need nearly 2 cents to cover postage, drums, repairs, etc.
[11:48] <waltman> I think I'll just print it on the department printer :)
[11:49] <InHisName> Drums usually need replacing every other cart (6-9K pages)  in low budget office table machines that I've compared before.
[11:49] <waltman> there wasn't anything about that in the manual for my printer
[11:50] <InHisName> Check if drum is in cart ?   That would be AWESOME for only $22 each compatible pricing.
[11:51] <JonathanD> I can only find reference to a replaceable imaging unit.
[11:51] <InHisName> probably a drum
[11:51] <JonathanD> 30,000 page life.
[11:51] <JonathanD> 10 carts
[11:51] <InHisName> Good deal
[11:52] <InHisName> Price probably > $100 though.
[11:53] <JonathanD> yes
[11:53] <JonathanD> it's a lot.
[11:53] <JonathanD> but thats still...
[11:53] <JonathanD> lots of pages per $1 :p
[11:54] <InHisName> If you're hardware inclined many other printers have had ways to reprogram the flash that limits to 3K, 30K back to zero and you can squeeze the rest out until empty or dirty drum starts.
[11:56] <InHisName> Way better'n the brother sold for < $199,   refills were $68 from brother, compatible was high 40's. I think was 2.5k pages or maybe only 2k.
[11:57] <InHisName> black only
[11:57] <JonathanD> I picked this as it seemed suited to long-life of periodic heavy use.
[11:57] <JonathanD> and of the 7 reviews on newegg, all were 5 eggs
[11:57] <InHisName> Seems like a good pick
[11:58] <InHisName> Phaser was a real high end company when Xerox bought them from Techtronix
[11:59] <JonathanD> Every single phaser seems to have good reviews.
[11:59] <InHisName> That's a great sign
[11:59] <JonathanD> It's a lovely world we live in where we can get reviews on the printer, the 3rd party carts, etc, just like that.
[11:59] <InHisName> works best on high volume products.
[12:00] <InHisName> Obscure ones are so well commented even after a year or two on the market.
[12:00] <InHisName> s/are/are not/
[12:01] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[12:01] <InHisName> pause for b'fast
[12:01] <JonathanD> it's a shame, then, because I probably won't get those
[12:01] <InHisName> is that sale still going ?
[12:01] <JonathanD> on the printer?
[12:01] <InHisName> yes
[12:01] <JonathanD> til june 30 I think.
[12:01] <InHisName> Oh
[12:01] <JonathanD> wait til I get mine
[12:01] <JonathanD> I'll give it a run through.
[12:02] <JonathanD> Maybe print a run of walts thing in color for him to keep :P
[12:02] <InHisName> Wife hates NON reliable printers, might consider
[12:02] <JonathanD> InHisName: it is large. It's mean for an office environ. Just something to consider.
[12:02] <InHisName> ink jets clog up to often for her likes.     Xerox wants $109 for the black cart by itself
[12:18] <JonathanD> InHisName: yes. I wouldn't have gotten it if not for the availability of 3rd parties :)
[12:18] <InHisName> I agree
[12:18] <InHisName> wow what a diff
[12:19] <JonathanD> $22 vs $100 :P
[12:20] <JonathanD> InHisName: keep in mind, xeroxs cost-per-page has to be based on their tonor prices, too
[12:20] <JonathanD> good enough for me to believe actual cost per page is going to be far less.
[12:20] <InHisName> yes for sure
[12:20] <InHisName> Staples has it for $146 ???
[12:21] <JonathanD> Never trust staples.
[12:21] <JonathanD> InHisName: staples needs to make it expensive enough that you'll use htem for printing instead ;)
[12:22] <InHisName> One concern,  "High Yield" is used by some carts and Xerox.  Might mean some diff from the plain compatibles.   Still 3K rating though.
[12:25] <InHisName> other compatible sellers are up to $70.  May want to stock up with extras after checking out one batch.
[12:26] <InHisName> Seems list price must be $150 each
[12:26] <JonathanD> InHisName: the amazon reviews on the $22 one were solid.
[12:27] <InHisName> Still, I'd buy one set to try.  If happy, order 2 or 3 more sets for future use.
[12:27] <JonathanD> yes.
[12:27] <JonathanD> I'll order a black right away.
[12:28] <InHisName> Just how long can a cart store waiting to be used without deteriorating ?
[12:28] <JonathanD> since I'll need a bakcup.
[12:28] <JonathanD> btw, the printer has a "black only mode" you can set it in, so it won't complain about no color carts if you run out.
[12:28] <InHisName> I'd order the foursome
[12:28] <InHisName> That's COOL
[12:30] <InHisName> 4inkjets.com has them for $25 or $22 @ 3  ----> they note shelf life = 24 - 36 months.
[12:30] <InHisName> Nice piece of info
[12:55] <InHisName> wow -->This color laser printer requires 1 Black, 3 Color toner cartridges and 1  Black, 3 Color drum units (Total of 4 toner cartridges & 4 drum  units).
[12:59] <InHisName> lotta micro-chips for cartridge -- http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/106r01597.html
[13:03] <InHisName> High Yield = 3K and standard capacity Xerox brand = 1k pages
[14:23] <MutantTurkey> to the zoo!
[14:34] <jedijf> JonathanD: i have phaser 4400xt in office (black only) love it!
[14:41] <JonathanD> jedijf: cool.
[14:41] <JonathanD> They seem to be very highly regarded everywhere I look.
[14:48] <JonathanD> just cooked up a leftover burger on some toast. Breakfast of champions.
[16:12] <JonathanD> dl360s at the thrift store
[16:29] <InHisName> what is a 'dl360s' ?
[16:29] <InHisName> one of your 35 cent book bargains ?
[16:33] <JonathanD> no
[16:33] <JonathanD> an hp rackmount server
[16:55] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[16:56] <InHisName> I could be interested at 35 cents - depending on how much max memory costs
[16:56] <SamuraiAlba> wha?
[16:56] <SamuraiAlba> I'm confised
[16:56] <InHisName> u missed JonathanD's comment just before yours
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> ahhhh
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> GF's mom PC shit the bed yesterday
[16:57] <SamuraiAlba> PSU smoked
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> lost the HD and mobo :(
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> s/mom/mom;s
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> dangit
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> s/mom/mom's
[17:00] <InHisName> She keeps her PC in her bed ???!!??
[17:11] <JonathanD> InHisName: they were a bit more than that :)
[17:11] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: 16:12:08 < JonathanD> dl360s at the thrift store
[17:15] <SamuraiAlba> where?
[17:15] <SamuraiAlba> cost?
[17:16] <JonathanD> $100
[17:16] <JonathanD> thrift store in norristown.
[17:16] <SamuraiAlba> How many!?
[17:16] <JonathanD> 3.
[17:17] <SamuraiAlba> Who come get me?!
[17:17] <JonathanD> gen 3 I think, though.
[17:17] <JonathanD> and no disks
[17:17] <JonathanD> the one I popped open had 2GB installed.
[17:17] <SamuraiAlba> poop
[17:17] <JonathanD> Never thought I'd see something like that there.
[17:20] <SamuraiAlba> aye
[17:21] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I'm bringing home a gen 4 + LTO drive + 24 port GB + pix 506
[17:21] <JonathanD> soon.
[18:07] <JonathanD> oh dear.
[18:08]  * JonathanD provides assistance to Irishmanluke
[18:13] <InHisName> so is Irishmanluke getting excited about the dl360s ?
[18:15] <Irishmanluke> I meant to do /help nick but I did /nick help instead
[18:16] <Irishmanluke> I wanted to figure out how to change my nick on a specific server
[18:16] <Irishmanluke> I just connected to a second server
[18:18] <InHisName> Going for a multiple personality disorder on irc ?
[18:18] <Irishmanluke> ...
[18:19] <andrew> afternoon
[18:21] <InHisName> Howdy Doody, andrew
[19:09] <SamuraiAlba> Gotta go to Blackwood tomorrow and skip BOTH jobs
[19:10] <SamuraiAlba> Camden Community College swears I attended 2 semesters there, and FAILED all classes.  I never attended, but they have filed to BLOCK financial aid and loans for 2012-2013 and the REVOKATION of my aid for 2011-2012
[19:10] <SamuraiAlba> Mind you, this is my FIRST communication with them since I WITHDREW before classes even started in 2011
[19:11] <SamuraiAlba> and I have the withdrawl forms
[21:19] <InHisName> Good that you hung onto the withdrawal forms.
[21:36] <andrew> You were supposed tot turn the forms in...
[21:36] <SamuraiAlba> I did
[21:39] <InHisName> I assume what you really meant was they gave you a receipt or confirmation of withdrawal, that's what you kept.
[22:28] <SamuraiAlba> yup
[22:28] <MutantTurkey> yup
[22:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: go to pittsburg, get ikea, ??? profit
[22:29] <InHisName> Why go to pitts?  There are Ikea s here.
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> I happened to be here
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> went to the zoo as well
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> Aquarium was not as cool as I thought it would be
[22:36] <InHisName> So the aquarium was a tropical one, very HOT. not cool?


[15:25] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:27] <holstein> charlie-tca: o/
[19:15] <charlie-tca> alternate images install good today; all desktop images for Ubuntu and Xubuntu fail to install