[00:24] <noarb-> what's the correct way to sync an ubuntu server with a local ntp server? I'm having trouble turning off system timedatectl stuff to get it to sync with antp server. Is chrony the right tool? Or is there just a setting I can change with default tools?
[00:25] <noarb-> on the server docs page I'm finding stuff the ubuntu to be the ntp server, not the client
[00:28] <sarnold> noarb-: you can use chrony if you'd rather, I think you just systemctl disable systemd-timesyncd.service ; systemctl stop systemd-timesyncd.service ; apt install chrony ; then do whatever is necessary to configure chrony
[00:28] <leftyfb> noarb-: https://vitux.com/how-to-install-ntp-server-and-client-on-ubuntu/
[00:29] <leftyfb> noarb-: start at: "Configure NTP Client to be Time Synced with the NTP Server
[00:29] <leftyfb> "
[00:38] <noarb-> leftyfb: I used the tutorial you'd posted. Is there a way to verify at the end that it's working? I was able to use  sudo ntpdate NTP-server-host to get the offset of my NTP server, but now that command says "the NTP socket is in use, exiting".  ntpq -p shows  NTP-server-host .INIT.          16 u    1   64    0    0.000    0.000   0.000, but not sure how else to verify
[00:39] <noarb-> my initial offset was about -0.500s, so it's hard to tell by eyeballing it if it's working
[00:45] <noarb-> timedatectl still says System clock synchronized: yes; NTP service: n/a
[01:06] <Guest9029> Having issues downloading/installing virtual box on ubuntu 20.04
[01:11] <Bashing-om> !info virtualbox focal | Guest9029
[01:17] <src> Guest9029: you will have to way more specific than that
[01:18] <Guest9029> in the terminal it was giving me an error waiting for cache lock: could not get lock.
[01:18] <sarnold> do you still get the error?
[01:20] <Guest9029> yes
[01:20] <sarnold> put the command and error message into a pastebin site and share the link, someone can probably take a look and make suggestions
[01:21] <srv> guest your trying to update intthe terminal and tell you that is lock weel the way i do is power off the vm then power on and try again to update and upgrade
[01:22] <srv> and for me works that way if is that what you trying to do
[01:23] <Guest9029> okay i will try this thank you
[01:23] <sarnold> if it's what I think it is, the unattended-upgrades script running, then you're powering off potentially in the middle of updates. That's not a great idea.
[01:24] <Bashing-om> Guest9029: Be aware that there can be only one instance of a package manager active at a given time. What shows - ps -efly | egrep '(dpkg|apt)' - ?
[01:30] <oerheks> lock sounds unattended updates are ready
[01:30] <oerheks> always, run proper updates first, then install
[01:30] <sarnold> if guest* manages to come back, I wouldn't be surprised if the next step is debug why apt is broken..
[01:31] <oerheks> maybe his mirror is in california, it is shaking there for some time now
[01:32] <sarnold> "mirror mirror on the floor..."
[02:07] <pikapika> Is it practical to make a custom user who has mostly read only rights for installing the tarballs if I am paranoid about it affecting system files? (ie even if I chose to modify the prefix in 'configure')? Or will just installing it without a root mode be fine and it shouldn't be able to touch system folders even if it mistakenly tries to
[02:15] <leftyfb> pikapika: use lxd
[02:16] <pikapika> leftyfb, isn't a container a rather "overpowerd" tool for that?
[02:16] <leftyfb> pikapika: I use it all the time for testing things like that, no
[02:16] <pikapika> How much storage does a blank lxd take
[02:16] <pikapika> do you get to set the directory, or its installed in some system location by default
[02:18] <leftyfb> pikapika: depends on the distro you choose and you can pick dir mode or btrfs, the former allowing you to pick the location only by first settings configs. Pretty sure btrfs allows you to change the location of the pool as well. Neither of which I'm familiar with
[05:04] <ruedii> Oh, I noticed a small bug on recent versions of firefox.  It seems the cache doesn't migrate properly, so if anyone is experiencing crashing, clear your cache directory (~/.cache/mozilla/firefox)
[05:05] <ruedii> I should see if cruddy cache is also causing my issues on Android.
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> i didnt have crashing ruedii but i noticed some 100% cpu on some FF sessions on latest updates
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> maybe related
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> checkout htop while playing with FF
[05:08] <ruedii> Could be worth checking deleting the cache.  Such bugs can express in different manners based on people's system setup.
[05:09] <ruedii> No harm in deleting that cache directory, it's all votile stuff.  I'm thinking of making that directory a tmpfs on my system to speed things up.
[05:09] <ruedii> Maybe make it tmpfs with backing store, though.
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> i tested it on a clean FF reinstall with all dirs removed
[05:10] <ruedii> Did you remember the cache directory.  It's separate for some reason (likely in case someone wants to make the cache directory no-sync and/or tmpfs)
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah we used to set cache on 0 and combine with ssd
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> but i think my issue is caused by something else
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> afk a bit first
[05:19] <ruedii> Certain websites waste a LOT of processor time and on slower processors will use 100%.  (Cough, facebook, cough).
[06:12] <back_from_death8> hey
[06:12] <back_from_death8> I am searching for Nautilus source code GIT that has been used in ubuntu 18.04
[06:36] <docmax> i need to compile an extra module from kernel, how can i do this in ubuntu?
[06:47] <rfm> docmax, this looks like it might help https://serverfault.com/questions/674415/compiling-an-individual-kernel-module-debian-ubuntu
[07:45] <alkisg> Does `apt update` fail for everyone or is it just my ISP?
[08:02] <toddc> alkisg: works for me are you root or add sudo before apt
[08:04] <alkisg> toddc, it appears that us.archive.ubuntu.com maps to either <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>; the first one is broken, but if I force .39, then it works
[08:04] <alkisg> What do you get with `host us.archive.ubuntu.com` ?
[08:05] <alkisg> (thank you btw)
[08:09] <alkisg> toddc: never mind both seem to be working now. Maybe it was some server syncing glitch
[08:48] <isgj> Hi I installed gnome-calendar through snap on Ubuntu 20.04. It doesn't start. Is there a way to see the problem why it's not starting? Which is the recommended way to install the calendar, apt or snap?
[08:49] <weedmic> is "snap" something like flatpak?
[08:49] <isgj> kinda
[08:49] <weedmic> ok, it came up yesterday and that reminded me.
[08:57] <EriC^^> isgj: how are you starting calendar? maybe you can start it from the terminal using the command and see any output it gives
[09:00] <isgj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hxR2DJJ7tF/
[09:02] <EriC^^> isgj: try without sudo
[09:05] <isgj> that was run with sudo https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gtCY6FT43/
[09:08] <EriC^^> isgj: give this a shot https://github.com/bitwarden/desktop/issues/215#issuecomment-623436919
[09:13] <EriC^^> isgj: seems like it might be a bug in the snap and it needs to connect to dbus and can't cause it's missing some part in the config, just a guess
[09:15] <isgj> thanks, all the permissions are on, but it doesn't work
[09:21] <EriC^^> isgj: is there anything showing up in "dmesg -w" when you try running gnome-calendar from the terminal?
[09:26] <isgj> when I run it without sudo https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bGcB44vSfj/
[09:28] <EriC^^> no idea, maybe you can allow it via apparmor somehow, ive no experience with it though or how to use it safely
[09:28] <EriC^^> isgj: maybe you could use a trusted ppa or another trusted snap that doesnt have the issue
[09:31] <isgj> hmm, this snap is from canonical
[09:45] <hugotty> is ports.ubuntu.com down for anyone else?
[09:46] <alkisg> hugotty: I had the same issue an hour ago with us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:46] <alkisg> It got resolved automatically after 10 minutes
[09:46] <alkisg> I think they introduced a new server syncing script that is somehow broken
[09:52] <hugotty> Ah alright, I'll wait a bit then, thanks alkisg
[10:02] <isgj> I had to log out and in again, but it doesn't sync the calendars 😫
[10:04] <alkisg> hugotty: does it work now? I've reported the issue to #ubuntu-devel and they're asking for feedback
[10:11] <TR1950X> *.ubuntu.com is down?
[10:14] <guiverc> TR1950X, no issues from here..
[10:45] <mauzilla> Hi everyone, im running into a bit of a strange situation. We have a backup server (20.04) that is burning out of free space, however, I cannot determine what is growing as there is about 3tb of storage unaccounted for. The server has 18tb is is currently almost 95% full (17tb used), however, using du -h I can only account for about 13tb
[10:45] <mauzilla> it has to be something in our /home directory but it's as if du -h only returns 13tb max
[10:46] <mauzilla> can this be possible?
[10:46] <mauzilla> or is there another way for me to get better accurate amounts when looking for storage usage?
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> mauzilla: im using bleachbit and stacer usualy to cleanup space and tmp files, not sure whats most reccomended for server
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> bleachbit can be used in cli
[10:47] <mauzilla> let me install and have a look
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !info ncdu | mauzilla perhaps also?
[11:05] <hugotty> TRX1950X: same here, can't reach any of canonical's servers
[11:05] <hugotty> TR1950X *
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> hugotty: we have #ubuntu-mirrors to ask about known issues on ubuntu repos if you like
[11:07] <hugotty> alright I'll hop in there. Think this might have something to do with ISPs because traceroute just stops at one of my ISP's switches
[11:11] <hugotty> huh, the problem just now resolved itself!
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> the magic of ubuntu hugotty :p
[11:18] <hugotty> it certainly felt magical ;)
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> : )
[13:20] <adac> Hi ther!
[13:21] <adac> Any ideas on how to solve this issue? https://pastebin.com/2vLjCi2z
[13:22] <Saxle> adac: try sudo apt --fix-broken install
[13:26] <adac> Saxle, hmm no luck what I get is this: https://pastebin.com/jt66rkuu
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> adac: what about sudo apt autoremove and sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[13:30] <Saxle> adac: Are you on LTS 20.04? Did you upgrade from 18.04?
[13:36] <Saxle> adac: try to reconfigure the packages which need configuration. sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[13:37] <adac> Saxle, yes I did an upgrade grom 18.04 to 20.04 some time ago
[13:38] <adac> lotuspsychje, I'll try
[13:41] <adac> lotuspsychje, Saxle actually automremove does indeed remove some packages, but one still has an issue
[13:41] <adac> https://pastebin.com/Lc1rwmCs
[13:42] <adac> sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-5.8.0-59-generic
[13:42] <adac>  usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-5.8.0-59-generic is broken or not fully installed
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic focal
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[13:43] <Saxle> adac: try sudo apt install --reinstall linux-image-5.8.0-59-generic
[13:44] <adac> Saxle, it says https://pastebin.com/P0Ht0yGM
[13:47] <adac> If I want to remove this package I get:
[13:47] <adac> https://pastebin.com/ZsGYkhvC
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> wow that looks weird
[13:47] <adac> strange that it wants to remove all that
[13:47] <adac> uh yes
[13:47] <adac> LD
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> why would hwe depend on 59
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> well maybe you should do it, and try reinstall hwe back after
[13:48] <adac> yepp I just did. lets see what happens :)
[13:50] <Saxle> Maybe its not fully installed? adac: Try sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 linux-hwe-5.8-headers-5.8.0-59 linux-generic-hwe-20.04 linux-headers-generic-hwe-20.04
[13:52] <adac> Saxle, will now run my ansible again, should re-install all what is needed. Lets see
[13:52] <Saxle> Good luck
[13:52] <adac> Hehehe thanks :-)
[13:57] <adac> Hmm nope no luck
[13:57] <adac> One more question: Is that correct:
[13:57] <adac> https://pastebin.com/3ujPP8QJ
[13:58] <Saxle> Yes to install hwe kernel for 20.04
[13:58] <Saxle> Looks like it didn't install before when you upgraded adac
[13:59] <adac> Saxle, when I run this manually on the machine I get this:
[13:59] <adac> https://pastebin.com/cp2kDMBU
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> adac: i would always trust what apt says it wants to do
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> its a self fixing mechanism
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> and get rid of its complaints systematic
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> there are some exceptions too ofc
[14:02] <adac> kk I will check the error messages
[14:03] <adac>  df -h | grep boot
[14:03] <adac> dev/md1        487M  453M  8.6M  99% /boot
[14:03] <Saxle> Dependancy issues can be annoying idk if your package linux-image-5.8.0-59-generic may have issues
[14:03] <adac> looks pretty full
[14:03] <root__> hi
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root__
[14:12] <adac> Saxle, lotuspsychje I had to purge some older kernels manually. Not sure why autoremove kept them. Afterwards all was fine now
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> !yay | adac
[14:14] <adac> Well also thanks to you guys :-)
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome adac
[14:15] <adac> Feels good when all is running fine again. And it is Friday noon as well here. So have a nice WE guys!
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> same to you mate
[14:16] <Saxle> adac great
[15:37] <devslash> When it comes to securing my Ubuntu server, I use a firewall behind a reverse proxy with ports 80 and 443 open and 1 more port open for ssh. Are there any other suggestions to secure my server ?
[15:47] <coke> firewall is a great start but what is running on those ports usually is what gets you screwed
[15:47] <coke> especially when its some web thing you dont really know much about and dont run updates very often
[15:51] <Saxle> You could use fail2ban to block some attacks devslash
[15:52] <devslash> coke its not some qweb thing i dont know much about its Traefik
[15:53] <coke> if you use traefik then the web apps are probably in containers
[15:53] <coke> so should be way better already
[16:00] <coke> Saxle: fail2ban only makes sense if you even users to log in with passwords (and you shouldn't)
[16:03] <leftyfb> coke: not true. fail2ban can be used for a lot more than remote authentication attempts
[16:03] <coke>  even allow* users
[16:04] <coke> yea anything that is vulnerable to brute forcing
[16:04] <coke> but ssh with key only auth isn't
[16:04] <leftyfb> coke: for instance, I wrote a filter that checks for wordpress login attempts or sql injection on the site or bots
[16:05] <leftyfb> coke: it's also useful to just for a thing in a log and then do a thing, not related to ip addresses or banning(firewall)
[16:05] <leftyfb> look for*
[16:09] <coke> ip blocking is something that you get strange support calls about so I dont know how broad I wouldn't want to use it
[16:09] <coke> if you know certain http requests are bad just error them?
[16:33] <webchat54> Hello. I'm looking for advises on Ubuntu Server 21.04 for raspberry pi. I haven't found any IRC channel about this king of release. Is there one ?
[16:34] <leftyfb> webchat54: it depends on the advice you're looking for. First off, why would you put a non-LTS release on something you consider a server?
[16:36] <webchat54> Because I want to use GPIO and only version since 21.04 provide a good way to do that.
[16:37] <davidkrauser> webchat54: what kind of advice do you need?
[16:42] <webchat54> Existing python3-rpi-gpio in ubuntu rasperry release before 21.04 seems to be deprecated and replaced by python3-lgpio. In my case I'm looking for help and advices to install a RTC BS1302 module.
[16:42] <webchat54> My BS1302 RTC module is documented to use: https://github.com/sourceperl/rpi.rtc with python3-rpi.gpio. But since ubunt 21.04 this package seems deprecated and the correct way is to use python3-lgpio (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-use-raspberry-pi-gpio-pins-with-ubuntu/22009 & lgpio doc is http://abyz.me.uk/lg/py_lgpio.html).
[16:42] <webchat54> So I don't find any python implementation for this DS1302 RTC module that use lgpio.... If someone have more information about that. Thanks in advance
[16:43] <donofrio> I thought .04 were LTS releases?
[16:43] <leftyfb> donofrio: every 2 years
[16:50] <webchat54> I don't have skill to develop a python lgpio implemention at all. I'm looking for some advices on who to contact... Probably the team that develop the py_gpio. But I have no idea on who to contact in the ubuntu team...
[16:54] <Mekaneck> donofrio: 20.04 is a LTS release and LTS releases come out every two years, the next LTS release will be 22.04, then 24.04 and so on and so forth
[16:55] <Mekaneck> everything in between are interim releases which are only supported for 9 months
[16:57] <Mekaneck> donofrio: also only Ubuntu LTS receives 5 years of support, all other LTS flavours Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu MATE etc are only supported for 3 years
[17:02] <davidkrauser> webchat54: if you look at the package page, there're links to contact the maintainers: https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/python3-lgpio
[17:02] <linuxfan> Hello, I am having problems pairing a bluetooth keyboard. I am using Linux Lite 5.4.
[17:02] <davidkrauser> webchat54: you may need to look through the options there and see where the best place to ask your question is :-)
[17:04] <davidkrauser> webchat54: it also looks like that maintainer has an irc channel: #ubuntu-motu
[17:04] <webchat54> Ok. Thanks davidkrauser
[17:04] <davidkrauser> webchat54: sorry I couldn't be more helpful directly :-)
[17:05] <linuxfan> The keyboard is the Logitech 613. Has both wireless (with dongle) and bluetooth connectivity.
[17:05] <webchat54> My fault. No problem :)
[18:45] <patiencezero> anybody know if NVIDIA has a feed or a consistent naming scheme for releasing new drivers?
[18:45] <patiencezero> I'd like to setup a cron job to mirror the latest .run driver files
[18:46] <patiencezero> whenever there is a new release
[18:48] <oerheks> don't use such run file, use the ones ubuntu provides
[18:48] <patiencezero> What's wrong with using the .run file?
[18:48] <oerheks> maybe they give a .rss feed, dunno
[18:49] <leftyfb> patiencezero: for one, we cannot support the .run files here
[18:49] <oerheks> if you want to be a beta tester, fine, but that is beyond ubuntu support.
[18:49] <patiencezero> yeah, I pinged one of the guys from the Ubuntu "graphics drivers" team to see how they check
[18:50] <patiencezero> I imagine there's a pipeline of some sort for y'all to update the ppa, just hoping that pipeline isn't a manual check. lol
[18:51] <sarnold> I've always assumed it was an nvidia engineering telling us they'd like us to make a new build of their new driver
[18:51] <oerheks> you mean https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa  ??
[18:51] <oerheks> just run updates to spot a new version
[18:52] <oerheks> there is also !hwe
[18:52] <oerheks> !hwe
[18:53] <patiencezero> I'll be attempting to support several distros that don't host proprietary drivers
[18:53] <patiencezero> I could see this turning into a nightmare though, with the DWM / x-server breaking every time there's a kernel update.
[18:54] <patiencezero> I guess I'd have to write a hook to have it reinstall the latest nvidia driver everytime there's a kernel update...
[18:54] <tomreyn> patiencezero: if this is going to be a cross distro effort, maybe #linux is a better place to discuss it. and note there's https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/
[18:55] <patiencezero> thanks Tom, good idea. I'll check there!
[19:04] <donofrio> Mekaneck, oh thank you for the background on LTS versions
[19:08] <Mekaneck> donofrio: no problem, you're welcome :)
[19:29] <thismachine> Does anyone know where I can find an updated list of patches that are applied to Ubuntu's kernels? There used to be one at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.11/SOURCES, but that's 404ing now. I had a kernel build script that depended on it.
[19:34] <TJ-> thismachine: in the git repository for each release
[19:35] <TJ-> thismachine: e.g. git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/hirsute
[19:38] <tomreyn> TJ-: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/hirsute/tree/ has no SOURCES file, though?
[19:42] <thismachine> Thanks for the links. Is there a git repo for the latest kernel itself? I'm trying to build the latest kernel releases, eg 5.13.x. There used to a repo that stayed up to date with mainline releases found at ~kernel-ppa/mainline
[19:44] <Guest14> Hi y'all. I'm back from earlier (the guy who's trying to rescue some files). I found some discrepancy between df -h /home/$USER and the output of gddrescue. Is it because I used --sparse with ddrescue?
[19:44] <Guest14> If I run ls -lah from /home/$USER it says my sbd1.img from ddrescue is 466G, however, when I run df -h /home/$USER it returns "/dev/sda6 441G 187G 231G 45% /home"
[19:44] <Guest14> How is it possible for a 466G file to be in /home when /home is 441G?
[19:44] <oerheks> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[19:44] <Guest14> Or even worse, how come /home is only 45% used? lol
[19:44] <Guest14> Once again, is it because of the sparse file deal? How do I know its true size?
[19:44] <oerheks> thismachine, ^
[19:44] <tomreyn> thismachine: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.13/ says "To obtain the source from which they are built fetch the commit below: git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack cod/mainline/v5.13"
[19:44] <oerheks> Guest14, you had a faulty disk, wasn't it?
[19:45] <oerheks> so discrepancy would be expected..
[19:45] <Guest14> oerheks yes. I was able to back it up with ddrescue
[19:45] <Guest14> oerheks wdym? this is a good disk though
[19:45] <oerheks> How is it possible for a 466G file to be in /home when /home is 441G? .. errors in the filetable?
[19:45] <thismachine> Guest14, could be reflinks or compression, too. You can use compsize to figure out if that's the cause of the discrepancy
[19:46] <thismachine> tohreyn, oerheks thanks
[19:46] <Guest14> So I plugged my faulty disk into my good computer and used ddrescue to back it up, though, I used the sparse flag
[19:46] <Guest14> I thought that might explain why a '466G' file can be in a 441G partition
[19:47] <Guest14> I don't see any other way
[19:47] <gordonjcp> Guest14: is it owned by root?
[19:48] <gordonjcp> Guest14: root gets 5% more disk space than is really shown, you can have a disk at over 100% capacity
[19:49] <oerheks> gordonjcp, no way telling when he copied..
[19:49] <oerheks> only the original disk can show restored bad blocks
[19:49] <gordonjcp> Guest14: 105% of 441GB is 463GB...
[19:50] <tomreyn> i like gordonjcp's theory, which i think refers to ext2-4 only.
[19:50] <Guest14> gordonjcp yes, it's owned by root but as you said 105% of 441GB is 463, though not only that
[19:51] <Guest14> df -h /home/$USER returns "/dev/sda6 441G 187G 231G 45% /home"
[19:51] <Guest14> because i have other files under /home/$USER
[19:51] <Guest14> how come is 45% free?
[19:51] <TJ-> thismachine: tomreyn  since v5.6.18 the build scripts changed and as the HEADER tells, the commit of the build is shown - there are no longer patches on top
[19:52] <tomreyn> TJ-: ah, i didn't notice that the HEADER message changed
[19:53] <TJ-> the git commit now includes the packaging patches
[19:55] <Guest14> Okay. I guess my google-fu is better today. Apparently one can tell a sparse file's size using `du -h --apparent-size sba1.img` to see how much it could expand to
[19:55] <Guest14> and `du -h sba`.img` to check the _actual_ size
[19:56] <Guest14> In this case, the actual size is 187G. That explains why it is sitting on /dev/sda6 which only is 441G and it is only 45% used
[20:00] <Guest14> TJ- you mentioned that once ddrescue was done recovering the data, I created a backup of that image with cp --sparse=always and then "try using the fsck tool (initially in the do-not-change-anything mode!)" do i have to mount the image first? I'm not sure if this question is stupid
[20:01] <Guest14> since one mounts disks not images, right?
[20:02] <TJ-> Guest14: no, it isn't and no you don't; fsck can operate on file-systems inside regular files
[20:03] <TJ-> Guest14: but you could also attach the file to a loopdev (/dev/loopX) so it appears as a block device
[20:04] <Guest14> TJ- is there any advantages to doing the latter?
[20:04] <TJ-> Guest14: e.g. "sudo losetup -f -P --show path/to/file.img" and that will report which /dev/loopX it is attached to
[20:04] <TJ-> Guest14: yes; more tooling options that would expect the file-system in a block device
[20:05] <phd> hello
[20:05] <phd> How do I authenticate scripts from ubuntu-archive-tools with my UbuntuOne/launchpad account? Is it possible to use exported ssh key? I can't find any documentation on this online.
[20:06] <Guest14> so I guess before I run "sudo losetup -f -P --show path/to/file.img" I have to attach file.img to a loopdev?
[20:06] <Guest14> Would I pass /dev/loopX to fsck or file.img?
[20:07] <TJ-> Guest14: no, the command I gave you would do that for you
[20:07] <TJ-> Guest14: aside for correcting the path,that command is complete
[20:08] <TJ-> Guest14: losetup 'mounts' a file as a block device (confusing use of 'mount' in this context, I'm afraid!)
[20:09] <TJ-> Guest14: if it reports /dev/loop8, then you can do things like "fsck -N -V /dev/loop8"
[20:09] <Guest14> Indeed. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept
[20:09] <Guest14> TJ- Guest14: if it reports /dev/loop8, then you can do things like "fsck -N -V /dev/loop8" << this makes sense
[20:10] <TJ-> loopdev isn't bothered whether what is in the file makes sense as a block device; it just presents whatever is in the file as a block-addressable device that behaves somewhat like a physical disk/SSD
[20:11] <Guest14> I'm curious though to 'mount' this file as a block device, would I need 187G (_actual_ size used in disk by sparse file) free or 441G (the maximum size to which file.img may expand)?
[20:11] <TJ-> doesn't enter into it
[20:12] <Guest14> I see. I'm curious, what is file.mapfile for? We haven't needed so far
[20:12] <TJ-> no space/memory is being used. All a lopdev does is translate sector based access (e.g. read sector 8) to a fseek(path/to/file, 512 * 8, SEEK_SET)
[20:12] <Guest14> Does linux know 'this (sparse) file img.file has a matching file.mapfile'?
[20:13] <TJ-> Guest14: the mapfile was created by ddrescue to record which sectors it managed to extract and which had problems
[20:13] <TJ-> Guest14: the mapfile is nothing to do with anything but the ddrescue tool (it can use the mapfile to restart/resume a recovery)
[20:14] <Guest14> Got it. That makes sense. For some reason I thought it was a 'metadata' sort of thing in general and not only for ddrescue
[20:15] <Guest14> By the way, journalk reported 6 errors that day. You mentioned "If that suggests there aren't too many faults"
[20:15] <TJ-> Guest14: that sounds like a lucky/good result!
[20:16] <TJ-> Guest14: I've done rescues where 80% of sectors had failed
[20:17] <TJ-> Guest14: those jobs can often take a week... generally I put special coolers on the devices to stop them failing thermally due to the prolonged aggresive access
[20:18] <Guest14> Cool. I hope I can recover my files, though, to be honest, this has been a quite insightful experience so far
[20:20] <Guest14> A bit off topic, I'm glad #ubuntu has logs. Can refer back to this conversation at any time
[20:21] <TJ-> I often wonder how my brain retains and can produce all this arcane stuff - I often have to refer back to my own logs for guidance on things I need to do!
[20:23] <Guest14> I'd pictured you going through your great Zettelkasten lol
[20:24] <TJ-> :D
[20:24] <TJ-> I am generally the 'low-level' and 'go to the source-code' guy around here :)
[20:26] <Guest14> Guest14: TJ-: How'd you know that?
[20:26] <Guest14> TJ-: I just quickly looked at the kernel code before answering your question
[20:26] <Guest14> lol
[20:28] <TJ-> :)
[20:28] <TJ-> "Feel the source, Luke"
[20:33] <Guest14> I guess. Step by step. I'm slowly dabbling into C
[20:33] <Guest14> I was going to ask you if you would recommend any books to learn this much about Linux right before you told me you were the 'go to the source-code' guy around here
[20:49] <tgarder> anyone tried gnome40? is it rough or usable by this point?
[20:50] <Pny> tried fedora34 with gnome40 seems stable to me
[20:50] <GSMarquis> Where in gnome can I edit the width of the scroll bars?
[20:51] <Pny> but not in ubuntu. havent tried it in ubuntu
[20:54] <rapid16> I just re-installed grub on my partition after having reinstalled Windows. Unfortunately, it did not work in the way that GRUB loads on machine boot.
[20:55] <quadrat> rapid16 what comes up, rather than grub
[21:00] <rapid16> Well it just boots straight into Windows 10
[21:02] <quadrat> rapid16 can you boot into a live ubuntu?
[21:03] <TJ-> rapid16: it is possible the firmware is in fastboot mode where it'll boot the default OS directly
[21:06] <rapid16> Okay. I'll check that
[21:07] <TJ-> Guest14: I'd recommend reading well-written source. Kernel is generally well written, easy to reason if you skim it and don't try to resolve every pre-processor macro or struct.
[21:20] <rapid16> I discovered I can access Ubuntu by booting using EUFI boot menu. But I need to install GRUB somehow so that I get option between Ubuntu and Windows.
[21:22] <Bashing-om> rapid16: Might see what resukts when booted into ubuntu with terminakl command ' sudo update-grub '. See if this picks up Windows too.
[21:22] <Bashing-om> results*
[21:23] <rapid16> Yes, it saw Windows too
[21:24] <Bashing-om> rapid16: Reboot too see the effect :D
[21:43] <Guest14> TJ- well, I haven't tried to read the kernel code yet, though, I reckon one would need more than just C knowledge to grok it
[21:46] <TJ-> Guest14: if you don't try to understand every word, but skim for the meaning, you'll quickly pick up C language structure and style
[21:49] <supremekai> Hey guys, what is the ~/.ssh/known_hosts used for? Can one access to the root via SSH only using a ssh key?
[21:50] <sarnold> supremekai: the known_hosts file keeps track of the remote ssh host keys you've said are legitimate; that way, if you contact them again and they've got a different key, you'll get a warning about it
[21:51] <supremekai> sarnold, how do I know the last login made by those keys?
[21:51] <sarnold> supremekai: you can access root via only an ssh key, that's pretty common, the ubuntu cloud images set up an 'ubuntu' user with passwordless sudo access; so you just ssh in to the ubuntu account, run sudo, and no passwords are invovled anywhere
[21:51] <supremekai> sarnold, I got 2-3 freelancers working on this server, can one use know_hosts to get illegitimated access?
[21:51] <sarnold> supremekai: no
[21:51] <sarnold> supremekai: known_hosts only keeps tracks of the servers you can ssh'd to
[21:52] <supremekai> oh
[21:52] <sarnold> supremekai: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys sounds more like the file you're thinking about
[21:52] <supremekai> that one I don't have it sarnold
[21:52] <supremekai> so, known_hosts it's like from SERVER to another HOST via ssh
[21:52] <supremekai> and authorized_keys from another HOST to SERVER via ssh?
[21:53] <sarnold> supremekai: known_hosts is the ssh *client* keeping track of the various servers you've contacted; authorized_keys is consulted by the server when a client connects
[21:53] <supremekai> oh ok
[21:53] <supremekai> how can I "decrypt" or "dehash" it?
[21:53] <supremekai> 'cause I don't know "who" are those hosts
[21:55] <TJ-> supremekai: often that info is obscured or removed deliberately
[21:57] <supremekai> TJ-, can I remove those "known_hosts"?
[21:57] <supremekai> what is the worst case scenario of doing so?
[21:59] <TJ-> supremekai: sure you can; each time your ssh client connects to a remote host, that remote's pubkey is recorded in known_hosts once you've agreed to connect to it, so you don't get asked every time you connect
[21:59] <supremekai> ohhhhh
[21:59] <supremekai> now I get it!!
[21:59] <supremekai> thnks!!!
[21:59] <supremekai> That's the warning it usually prompts on putty or such
[21:59] <supremekai> oh ok ok
[22:01] <TJ-> yes
[22:08] <ice9> firefox notifications doesn't use notify-send in wayland session, any solution to that?
[22:11] <matsaman> ice9: so 'notify-send' on its own works?
[22:33] <Guest5210> Hey, how would be the easiest way to do a custom partitioning, want to use btrfs with subvolumes, which the ubuntu installer doesn't allow
[22:39] <matsaman> Guest5210: it allows btrfs without subvolumes?
[22:40] <Guest5210> matsaman: sure
[22:40] <oerheks> Do this from a live session, setting up btrfs, then run the installer again
[22:40] <Guest5210> so i can edit the disk while the installer is running and during disk setup just click next?
[22:41] <oerheks> no. get a guide to do this manually.
[22:42] <sarnold> hmm, I thought it sounded a bit promising, but with the caveat that it ought to be done before you get to the partitioning screen
[22:42] <Guest5210> i know how to partition the disk, i just don't know how the installer reacts if you don't want to use it's disk setup
[22:42] <sarnold> but if a guide already exists it will probably be helpful :)
[22:43] <oerheks> some guide with nice pics https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/ubuntu-btrfs/
[22:45] <Guest5210> oerheks: thanks, so I assume I first have to setup the disks with the disk setup, and then edit it before it tries to install the system/
[22:45] <Guest5210> ?
[22:46] <oerheks> well what is your plan, encrypted?
[22:46] <Guest5210> encrypted + 4 subvolumes
[22:46] <oerheks> https://mutschler.eu/linux/install-guides/ubuntu-btrfs/ and tons more to find ..
[22:47] <sarnold> hmm that first guide doesn't seem to mention anything about subvolumes
[22:49] <Guest5210> and the second is also rather not really going in subvolumes + it uses the normal ubiquity disk partitioning it seems like. as it's using ubiquity to setup everything (except grub)
[22:49] <cbreak> can't you install onto an existing filesystem hierarchy?
[22:50] <sarnold> "Note that the subvolume @ is mounted to /, whereas the subvolume @home is mounted to /home." .. the second one kinda does, in passing..
[22:50] <Guest5210> does it really automount @ to / oO that would be new to me
[22:50] <cbreak> with zfs, I have like a dozen or two datasets, and ubuntu got installed into it
[22:51] <sarnold> yeah, same here, but I used the debootstrap approach and it wasn't super fun :)
[22:51] <cbreak> and a bit later, I copied the whole installation somewhere else, redid the pool, and copied it back, and it still worked
[22:52] <Guest5210> sarnold: with debootstrap, is there an easy way to install ubuntu-minimal? i tried that, but the install was borked, as gnome didn't even have gnome-terminal, networkmanager or the likes
[22:52] <Guest5210> i wouldn't mind going that route
[22:53] <sarnold> Guest5210: yeah, apt install ubuntu-minimal etc
[22:53] <Guest5210> hm interesting, because I used, ubuntu-minimal^
[22:54] <Guest5210> let's try it again I guess
[22:54] <sarnold> ah, it may not be a task, too
[22:54] <sarnold> I don't know off-hand how to list the tasks that are available, it's not the easiest thing to learn, heh
[23:24] <bancroft> forgive me for being blunt, but is snap no longer a hot piece of garbage? I've had nothing but horrible experiences with it and that's putting it lightly
[23:24] <devslash> no its still hot garbage....
[23:25] <bancroft> well that's a shame
[23:25] <Bashing-om> bancroft: My take on snaps: has its place - but, on the desktop use judicously :(
[23:26] <cbreak> bancroft: it seems to work
[23:27] <devslash> I ran into permission issues when installing apps with snap
[23:27] <cbreak> at least to get lxd, slack, zoom,
[23:27] <cbreak> yes, that's working as intended I think
[23:27] <cbreak> due to the improved isolation of such programs
[23:27] <cbreak> (that's why I like it for crap like slack or zoom)
[23:28] <Guest5210> cbreak: do you use bash-completion with lxd? i have issues with the latest lxd version
[23:28] <cbreak> not that I'm aware of, no
[23:28] <cbreak> I use zsh
[23:28] <cbreak> and no intentionally installed completion
[23:29] <sarnold> I use bash completion with lxd delivered by the snap; the completion is glacial
[23:29] <sarnold> but it works
[23:29] <Guest5210> sarnold: i always have to source .bashrc, so that lxd completions work. but the latest gives me also an error when I start gnome-terminal with _have command not found
[23:30] <sarnold> Guest5210: oh weird. I've never seen anythiung like that
[23:30] <Guest5210> weirdly, multipass works fine. so it has to be lxd imo
[23:30] <Bashing-om> Guest5210: Nice intro for LCD: https://popey.com/blog/2021/07/lxd-container-manager/ .
[23:31] <Guest5210> yup already read it ;). have him in my rss feed
[23:31] <Bashing-om> LXD**
[23:31] <Guest5210> nah i am for LCD :)
[23:31] <cbreak> managed to get firefox working inside lxd
[23:31] <cbreak> along with wireguard
[23:31] <cbreak> without completion :)
[23:31] <sarnold> ha :)
[23:53] <Guest5210> sarnold: thanks, got mostly everything working, except I can’t get network manager get to manage my Ethernet device :/


[08:24] <tasdomas> hi
[08:24] <tasdomas> what is the best way to run bundletester on my charm in a "pristine environment" ?
[08:26] <anastasiamac> tasdomas: m afraid to ask :) what do u consider "pristine"?
[08:27] <tasdomas> anastasiamac, basically as close to the automated test runner used by the juju charms team
[13:46] <g3naro> can i search juju modules from the cli ?
[13:50] <rick_h_> g3naro: juju charms?
[13:50] <g3naro> yeah
[13:51] <rick_h_> g3naro: hmm, we're working on a store cli plugin but it's not public yet that does have some search abilities.
[13:51] <rick_h_> I don't recall if the eco folks had a plugin for that. marcoceppi lazyPower was there something you all had in charm helpers/tools?
[14:01] <g3naro> ohh k
[14:33] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: g3naro `juju charm search`
[14:33] <g3naro> nice 1 bro
[14:38] <puzzolo> lazyPower: ping
[15:39] <lazyPower> pong puzzolo
[16:16] <magicaltrout> help, bzr newbie here
[16:17] <magicaltrout> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/authors-charm-store i completely suck and don't understnad how to get my bzr repo into launchpad
[16:18] <magicaltrout> charm/trusty/saikuanalytics I have a folder structure like that and created a bzr repo in the charm directory
[16:18] <magicaltrout> but can't figure out how to get it into launchpad, I just get No such source package
[16:33] <beisner> magicaltrout - still around?
[17:09] <redelmann> Hi, is there any juju-restart function/method in charmhelper?
[17:09] <redelmann> or just need to call subprocess.check_call
[17:11] <redelmann> marcoceppi, ^?
[17:11] <redelmann> juju-reboot, sorry
[17:11] <marcoceppi> redelmann: not sure, let me check
[17:12] <redelmann> marcoceppi, i search on charmhelpers docs, and didn't find anything
[17:12] <marcoceppi> redelmann: then not yet, you're welcome to submit a patch though
[17:13] <redelmann> marcoceppi, ok, thank you
[17:19] <skylerberg> beisner, wolsen, coreycb: To follow up on our conversation yesterday about connecting to nova-compute. I think it will be best to keep it simple and just use the config-flags options in nova-compute. I can use my README to communicate that users need to do this.
[17:20] <skylerberg> However, I see that config-flags takes a comma separated list. One of the values I need to pass in does itself have a comma in it.
[17:20] <skylerberg> Without having looked at the code, I am not sure if nova-compute will choke on a config flag that has a comma in it.
[17:30] <whit> what's the command that shows all the tools available to a charm?
[17:32] <whit> ah.. juju help-tool
[18:13] <puzzolo> jo lazyPower any news on these lxc networking thingies?
[18:13] <lazyPower> puzzolo: hey there
[18:13] <lazyPower> puzzolo: i dont have any updates unfortunately
[18:39] <beisner> hi skylerberg - as i understand it, the config-flags config option is there for one-off edge case needs.  what are the config options you're needing to pass in?  if they don't collide with others, that may be a sane approach today.  but there's no way to say there wouldn't be future collisions if it's not in the nova-compute code base for reviewers to know about down the line.  i do think the better / more-official (tm) approach may be to add a charm confi
[18:39] <beisner> g option to twiddle the conf bits you need.
[18:41] <jcastro> jose: ping
[19:03] <skylerberg> beisner: I would be adding something like "cpu_mode=none,nfs_mount_options=vers=3,proto=tcp". Looking at it, I don't think it is possible to parse that correctly.
[19:05] <beisner> skylerberg, ok so we already have another need to control cpu_mode in ppc64 scenarios, just need to add that.  keep in mind, in kilo and later the cpu_mode directive got moved to a different conf file that the charm currently has no other reason to touch (so that's not plumbed just yet).
[19:05] <beisner> a lot of conf directives scooted around between icehouse and kilo, so we just handle that via the templates in the charm.
[19:05] <beisner> makes it transparent to the user.  they just set a charm config option, the charm lands it in the right file
[19:06] <beisner> so anyway, that kind of makes the case for using charm config options instead of that little backdoor-ish conf hole we have open.  make sense?
[20:00] <skylerberg> beisner: I need to talk with someone on my team to see if we really need cpu_mode=none. So for the nfs_mount_options we should probably just add that as a nova-compute charm configuration option and then I can just tell users to set it.
[20:22] <skylerberg> beisner: Okay. All I actually need to do is set nfs_mount_options=vers=3. So we just need to add nfs_mount_options as a config option for the nova-compute charm, right?
[21:24] <skylerberg> I was going to try to make a pull request to add the configuration option for nfs-mount-options, but the repo on github is two years out of date. Is there somewhere I can get the source and make a pull request?
[21:38] <lazyPower> skylerberg: https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers
[21:38] <lazyPower> any of the /next branches are the current dev focus and where you want to make merge proposals against
[22:42] <skylerberg> lazyPower: Thanks for pointing me to the repo. I tried deploying nova-compute based on the latest code and it failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/12138183/.
[22:47] <lazyPower> skylerberg: i would certainly file that as a bug, it seems something changed in /next thats causing a problem. (is this unmodified /next, or was it patched w/ the modifications?)
[22:48] <skylerberg> Perhaps this is because I am running it in a container and it wants to install kvm.
[22:48] <lazyPower> thats indeed possible.
[22:48] <lazyPower> fwiw - you can us ea KVM based local provider and it will be slow (hypervisor in hypervisor) but should complete without issue
[22:49] <lazyPower> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/config-KVM
[22:50] <skylerberg> lazyPower: Thanks. I think I can get around it by just marking the issue as resolved. I am really just trying to see the effect on the config file.


[00:07] <nukke> xubuntu200: go to Menu > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Layout
[00:08] <nukke> uncheck "use system settings" and add the Greek keyboard layout
[00:29] <xubuntu200> nukke
[00:29] <xubuntu200> i did it
[00:29] <xubuntu200> i added Greek
[00:29] <xubuntu200> but still cant change language
[00:29] <xubuntu200> and in ibus still its chinese the option for input method
[00:30] <xubuntu200> Please read /usr/share/doc/im-switch/README.Debian.gz .   No user configuration enabled for en_US.  Restart the X session to activate the selected Imput Method.
[00:30] <xubuntu200> oh now i saw it
[00:30] <xubuntu200> it has to do with my case?
[00:33] <nukke> restart your session or just restart your computer
[00:34] <xubuntu200> cant do something like unity --replace?
[00:34] <xubuntu200> :P
[00:36] <GridCube> xubuntu200, when you login choose the greek language from the drop down menu
[00:41] <xubuntu200_> okie i am back
[00:41] <xubuntu200_> lets see now
[00:42] <xubuntu200_> still chinese
[00:42] <xubuntu200_> after logout
[00:42] <xubuntu200_> :(
[00:42] <nukke> in the login screen, there should be an Accessibility icon somewhere. click on it and select Greek
[00:43] <xubuntu200_> hm i have to choose only between xfce session and xubuntu
[00:43] <xubuntu200_> wich is the difference by the way of them two?
[00:46] <GridCube> xubuntu200_, no, under that, there is a language setting
[00:46] <xubuntu200_> okie i ll check again
[00:47] <xubuntu200_> but please dont tell me that if i want to change every time language between greek and english that i ll have to do it :P
[00:47] <GridCube> xubuntu200_, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M9mrg-_oNl8/UH-qDsulHZI/AAAAAAAAK_4/xEge8znDB1w/s1600/xubuntu12.10-login-screen.png
[00:47] <GridCube> there is an example
[00:48] <GridCube> see how it says "english - usa"
[00:48] <xubuntu200_> oh i see now...what stupid i am
[00:48] <GridCube> xubuntu200_, that would change the interface to another lang, you need to do that each time, you can still read any language on files and such
[00:49] <xubuntu200_> oh but my problem is just the keyboard
[00:49] <xubuntu200_> i want to changer languages
[00:49] <xubuntu200_> as i am typing in a editor
[00:49] <GridCube> you can change just the keyboard by using a keyboard switcher
[00:49] <GridCube> no need to change the interface to anything
[00:49] <GridCube> that would not help
[00:49] <GridCube> add the keyboard switcher plugin to the panel
[00:49] <xubuntu200_> so where is a keyboard switcher?
[00:51] <xubuntu200_> oh i did it
[00:51] <xubuntu200_> hehe was too simple
[00:51] <xubuntu200_> what a shame of me
[00:51] <xubuntu200_> thank you anyway so much!
[00:52] <xubuntu200_> have a good night!!!
[00:53] <GridCube> xubuntu200_, :) no problem
[00:53] <GridCube> good nights
[07:01] <nyuszika7h> hi, is it possible to disable the F1 key binding in xfce4-terminal?
[07:06] <baizon> nyuszika7h: yes
[07:07] <nyuszika7h> baizon: how would I go about doing that? I've already ticked "Disable menu shortcut keys" and "Disable all menu access keys".
[07:08] <baizon> nyuszika7h: what does happen when you press F1?
[07:08] <nyuszika7h> sec
[07:11] <nyuszika7h> baizon: http://i.imgur.com/EDvXbsY.png
[07:12] <baizon> nyuszika7h: check the xfce keyboard bindings in the settings window
[07:15] <nyuszika7h> baizon: there are no key binding settings in Edit -> Preferences, and Settings Manager -> Hardware -> Keyboard only has shortcuts for launching apps (no F1 there).
[07:15] <[uzver]> i just use F1 to launch other application
[07:16] <[uzver]> *custom
[07:17] <nyuszika7h> [uzver]: but I need the F1 key for terminal apps
[07:17] <baizon> nyuszika7h: http://docs.xfce.org/faq
[07:26] <nyuszika7h> baizon: I don't get it, I added that to my ~/.gtkrc-2.0, where should I look now?
[07:26] <nyuszika7h> oh I see, but pressing backspace does nothing
[07:27] <nyuszika7h> enabling it in the config didn't fix it either :/
[08:59] <g0to> hello
[08:59] <leoquant> ola
[09:00] <g0to> leoquant, what's going on with that wave?
[09:01] <g0to> after dist-upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10, I missed the new version of lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf. Any ideas about how to find it?
[09:02] <g0to> my lightdm greeting screen looks so bad now :S
[09:05] <brainwash> g0to, theme missing or what does look bad?
[09:05] <g0to> brainwash, I think it's a theme missing issue
[09:06] <g0to> I was using Greybird-lightdm
[09:07] <g0to> tried a dpkg-reconfigure, but it keeps the old version file
[09:08] <brainwash> g0to, try Greybird instead of Greybird-lightdm
[09:13] <g0to> brainwash, ok, I will. Thanks ;)
[11:01] <xubuntu776> hello guys
[11:01] <xubuntu776> i have a problem that pisses me from yesterday
[11:01] <xubuntu776> i installed some editors in my xubuntu like geany and code blocks
[11:02] <xubuntu776> when i am trying to run a small programm that i am writing its always says me that permission dont allow to run it
[11:02] <xubuntu776> i even runned geany editor
[11:02] <xubuntu776> with gksudo geany
[11:02] <xubuntu776> and still this permission error when i am trying to run my c program
[11:02] <xubuntu776> just a hello word program :P
[11:07] <seronis> I installed CB from repo a few days ago and dont have any permission issues on running
[11:07] <bekks> seronis: Whats "CB"?
[11:07] <seronis> codeblocks
[11:08] <bekks> And what exactly are you doing, and which error do you get, using which ubuntu version?
[11:08] <seronis> xubuntu776,  did you install from repo or compile yourself or use a nightly build?  on linux i've only ever used the repo install
[11:10] <xubuntu776> i just downloaded them from software ubuntu center :P
[11:10] <xubuntu776> w8 bekks
[11:10] <bekks> xubuntu776: Why shall I wait?
[11:10] <xubuntu776> Permission denied
[11:11] <xubuntu776> about the error that i had to check wich is
[11:11] <xubuntu776> :P
[11:12] <bekks> xubuntu776: I was talking to seronis
[11:12] <seronis> you were?
[11:12] <seronis> i dont have an error.  i was responding to 776 with my CB comment
[11:13] <xubuntu776> you asked me
[11:13] <xubuntu776> [14:08] <bekks> And what exactly are you doing, and which error do you get, using which ubuntu version?
[11:13] <xubuntu776> and i am running xubuntu 12.10
[11:13] <xubuntu776> permission denied is the error
[11:13] <bekks> xubuntu776: I asked seronis.
[11:13] <xubuntu776> i tried gksudo geany but still the same
[11:13] <seronis> bekks,  i dont have any errors.  was just responding to 776 since he said he was having an issue with C::B
[11:14] <bekks> seronis: ah ok.
[11:14] <bekks> xubuntu776: Then I should ask you :)
[11:14] <seronis> xubuntu776, your CB version is  12.11 correct?
[11:16] <xubuntu776> seronis no its 10.04
[11:16] <xubuntu776> and geany editor version is 1.22
[11:20] <seronis> xubuntu776,  just a disclaimer.  I am really new to xubuntu myself.  But I have nothing else to do so I dont mind trying to help if i can
[11:20] <seronis> I'm assuming you have the   build-essentials package installed
[11:21] <seronis> codeblocks itself doesnt have it as a dependancy because you can use lots of diff compilers.  but you'll need it for C/C++ compiling
[11:21] <xubuntu776> seronis sure! ofcourse i dont require anything just ask :) i am also so newbie in linux general :D
[11:21] <xubuntu776> hm build essentials dont know lol
[11:22] <seronis> err..  no 's' on the package name
[11:22] <seronis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:23] <xubuntu776> checked from synaptic manager
[11:23] <xubuntu776> and yes i have them installed
[11:23] <xubuntu776> :)
[11:33] <seronis> xubuntu776,   see if this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=794802
[11:40] <seronis> 2 people in that thread.  one of them seemed to have the issue due to a bad build command being used and the other from using a bad location for his files
[11:40] <seronis> honestly the -Wall flag mentioned shouldnt prevent anything unless there is a compile warning preventing the binary from being created so i dont understand WHY it worked for the first person
[11:41] <seronis> and im not fmailiar enough with linux to know why the location matters (as long as you're not putting your source code in a 'root' owned location)
[11:43] <bekks> -Wall doesnt prevent anything, it enables all warnings.
[11:43] <seronis> I know that.. but he might have  "treat warnings as errors" enabled
[11:44] <bekks> You mean -Werror
[11:45] <seronis> possibly.  been a long time since i used the flags via cli.  im used to checkboxes
[11:49] <xubuntu776> hmmm i made codeblock to work just saving the file with the code before buiding it with the extention .c! and now runs! but in geany doesnt work the same
[11:51] <seronis> yeah you need to manually save before building in C::B
[11:51] <seronis> it doesnt autosave by default, though you can enable it in preferences somewhere
[11:51] <xubuntu776> yeah! i am glad that can compile my simple c programs!
[11:52] <seronis> now do C++  and see if it works =-)
[11:52] <xubuntu776> i think that even if they saying that linux are great for developers still its so frustronated
[11:52] <xubuntu776> to make something simple to work
[11:58] <seronis> bekks, since you seem to know a bit about gcc do you also know any channels for programming help on freenode?  other than  #learnprogramming
[11:58] <bekks> seronis: ##gcc e.g.
[11:58] <xubuntu776> the wieerd is that when i am trying to execute the executable file that created from compiling of codeblock isnt allowed...i used terminal something like sudo bash test1 but it says me cannot execute binary files
[11:59] <bekks> Check the permissions of that file.
[11:59] <bekks> ls -lha thefilename
[11:59] <seronis> bash ?
[11:59] <seronis> why would you need to bash a binary ?
[11:59] <bekks> No one knows.
[12:00] <seronis> also you shouuldnt need to sudo either
[12:00] <xubuntu776> seronis because if its executable why doesnt run?
[12:00] <bekks> xubuntu776: Pastebin "ls -lha yourfilename" and "file filename".
[12:00] <xubuntu776> in windows i could run it
[12:00] <bekks> xubuntu776: Windows is irrelevant.
[12:00] <seronis> im saying bash does scripts.. not binaries
[12:00] <seronis> just use the program name on its own
[12:01] <seronis> ie       ./hello
[12:01] <bekks> bash does scripts AND binaries.
[12:01] <bekks> bash is a shell.
[12:01] <seronis> ah.  i've never had to prepend bash on the command line unless it was a script
[12:01] <seronis> my misunderstanding
[12:01] <xubuntu776> bekks rwxrwxr -x 1 nick nick 7.2 kb May 9 14:37 testaman
[12:02] <seronis> and just typing  the binary name doesnt run it ?
[12:02] <bekks> xubuntu776: And whats the "file testaman" output?
[12:02] <xubuntu776> just a hello word :P
[12:02] <bekks> No.
[12:02] <bekks> Type that commmand.
[12:03] <bekks> "file testaman".
[12:04] <xubuntu776> testaman: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=0xee78a14c6fbf051496bdf61fee0da97957c441b9, not strippe
[12:05] <seronis> looks like mine
[12:05] <seronis> Ohayo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=0xa0631ed274d76fe4559c66f6060aca29eb47572e, not stripped
[12:06] <bekks> seronis: Yours is a 64bit binary.
[12:06] <seronis> minor detail
[12:08] <xubuntu776> yeah heh
[12:11] <seronis> so does typing       ./testaman      run your program ?
[12:11] <xubuntu776> nop
[12:11] <xubuntu776> i wouldnt say it
[12:11] <xubuntu776> since there is no my hello word :P
[12:12] <seronis> huh ?
[12:12] <xubuntu776> the testaman is just a prinf hello word
[12:12] <xubuntu776> :P
[12:13] <seronis> correct..   and from the command line you should be able to type          ./testaman         to run the program
[12:13] <seronis> you shouldnt need sudo or bash
[12:13] <seronis> just     ./testaman
[12:14] <seronis> the      ./     is important
[12:15] <xubuntu776> seronis oh thank :D it worked like a charm :D
[12:15] <xubuntu776> but why bash isnt working too?
[12:15] <seronis> typing what i said uses whatever shell you are in.   i've just never used bash as part of the command
[12:15] <seronis> so not familiar with why it would or wouldnt work
[12:18] <seronis> I was told to just use     ./name    anytime i run a program from the CLI that isnt in the path
[12:18] <seronis> and that IS in the current working directory of course
[12:19] <seronis> using   ./name   just makes it a fully resolved pathname or something  (sorry i dont know more)
[12:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> hello. apparently my internet setup took a shit on me. eth0 on the desktop is showing as not managed in the network manager, and I can't connect to my server via ics anymore. little help, please?
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> never mind. got some strange artefacts in the NM, but I'm back in
[12:40] <xubuntu776> seronis thank you so much you explained me alot ;) ye ./name is easy way to run your programs
[12:41] <xubuntu776> you come from windows as a developer? ;)
[12:44] <seronis> sorta?  im just a hobbyist.   did   Basic on AppleII's growing up,   HyperScript on iMacs in school,  then  C coding MUDs over telnet before working on C and C++ on my desktop
[12:44] <seronis> primarily a windows user since Win98se.  installed linux randomly here and there
[12:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> muds <3
[12:45] <seronis> and xubuntu for just over a week.   since I noticed 3 dozen of my steam games have linux versions figure id give it a try
[12:47] <seronis> ntzrmtthihu777,  was it you making the python mud ?
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> seronis: nope, lol. I know not python. I am however developing a foss alternative to RPG Maker XP/VX/Ace
[12:49] <seronis> sounds fun.  ive been considering making a dwarf fortress style clone to learn SFML
[12:49] <seronis> probably more on the complexity level of Gnomoria instead of DF though
[12:49] <seronis> =-)
[12:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> seronis: lol, I'm planning to write some ruby bindings for sfml for this project. I can do it in pure ruby + rubysdl, but its a bit slow
[12:53] <seronis> really?  I thought ruby compiled to effectively C++ speed  (personal ruby experience limited to hello world difficulty stuff)
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> seronis: some stuff can be fast as c++, but heavy graphics work can get slow as hell. still have not found an effective method of compiling ruby to an exe yet :/
[13:00] <xubuntu776> seronis the same too ;) for a hobbyist you are so good especially if you work in c/c++ ;) i am windows user from windows 95 lol so its a bit hard the transfer!
[13:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> same, lol. I started in win98, but I have made the transer nicely. I have been using various linux distros for about a year.
[13:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> cd
[13:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> oops, lol. wrong tilda
[13:13] <xubuntu776> ntzrmtthihu777 and what you think about Linix?helps more or?what pron cons?
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu776: pros: too many to list. cons: too many hardware developers don't take it into account.
[13:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> all these fancy pieces of hardware, windows and mac certified, but they don't think of linux when designing the drivers. were the playing field even twould be no cons whatsoever.
[13:16] <xubuntu776> yeah i agree the worst con is mostly the bad support from some drivers like ati guys :) well for to be honest one thing that i dont like also to linux and i believe that is something that make bad to his reputation
[13:17] <xubuntu776> its just the alot fan boys of linux act like fanatic anarchissts or communismies
[13:17] <xubuntu776> that they are all the time like "wohooo Linux is the light of humanity,microsoft sucks because its a company etc
[13:18] <xubuntu776> people need to hear specific pros and cons and not manifests against the capitalism :P
[13:20] <lderan> Microsoft have done a lot of cool stuff of late, mainly their r&d and server branches
[13:21] <xubuntu776> yeah maybe...i dont know since i havent checked server branches but i think that windows 7 was cool
[13:21] <xubuntu776> i mean she have make some really bad shits
[13:21] <xubuntu776> like vista and melenium
[13:21] <xubuntu776> but 7 was awesome
[13:22] <xubuntu776> and windows 8 was cool but mostly for a average user that wanted only fast facebook and farm ville wihout lag lol :P
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> 7 is crap.
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> and 8 is worse.
[13:22] <xubuntu776> why?
[13:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> last good thing ms produced was xp, imho.
[13:23] <xubuntu776> 8 is crap because it makes your pc in a microsoft tablet with the ms store etc lol but its very fast and light os
[13:23] <cfhowlett> !ot
[13:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> why not? I could go on and on about how big of a res hog it was and is... XD o yeah. support.
[13:26] <xubuntu776> res hog?what means? :P
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> resource hog.
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> but again, ot.
[13:28] <xubuntu776> well surely the winner there is os like linux,bsd.unix based
[13:28] <xubuntu776> but nowdays almost all the users have a good pc
[13:28] <xubuntu776> with at least 2 gb ram
[13:28] <xubuntu776> lol
[13:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> meh. still a waste. main reason I switched to xubuntu is this unity bs
[13:32] <xubuntu776> well unity is something different but i liked it on my sisters laptop
[13:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> My pc is quite capable of running 7, and likely 8 as well (especially considering its a touchscreen unit), but I'd rather not waste my resources on bs I don't need, want, or use. Specs: CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at Min:800.000Mhz Max:2800.000Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-41-generic x86_64 Up~4:27 Mem~1263.9/3447.5MB HDD~500.1GB(20.4% used) Procs~179 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4
[13:32] <xubuntu776> its cool some eye candy
[13:32] <xubuntu776> and when we speak about linux prons we should not insist only on the resources
[13:32] <xubuntu776> thank god we are not taliban people with ancient computers
[13:32] <xubuntu776> we have all some good hardware
[13:36] <kRush> your 'good' hardware will be ancient in a year or two
[13:36] <xubuntu776> well i am running very good windows 7 to a 4 years old machine
[13:37] <xubuntu776> i am not speaking about wohoo lets play cyris s3 in full HD
[13:39] <kRush> 4 years? man you could just as well live in a cave
[13:48] <xubuntu776> kRush you change pc every 1 year?
[13:48] <xubuntu776> lol
[13:48] <xubuntu776> then who the reason to talking about low resources use of linux?
[13:54] <anders__> hello good people
[13:54] <anders__> I'm new with xubuntu, and loving it so far
[13:55] <anders__> I do have a problem with the screensaver activating while watching videos
[13:55] <anders__> I have set it to never in settings, but still it activates after 10 minutes
[13:55] <anders__> any suggestions?
[13:55] <anders__> well
[13:55] <anders__> not screensaver
[13:55] <anders__> it turns black
[13:55] <anders__> power saving mode  or whatever
[14:00] <kRush> anders__, flash video? complain to adobe
[14:00] <anders__> nah not flash
[14:00] <anders__> using the native videoplayer
[14:00] <anders__> mkv file
[14:00] <brainwash> anders__, disable DPMS
[14:00] <anders__> whats/wheres that? :)
[14:01] <GridCube> anders__, disable all power settings of monitor in the settings manager or use a player that does send the signal to turn it off, like smplayer or vlc
[14:02] <anders__> OK thx
[14:02] <GridCube> sadly this is far too common and nobody seems to fix it already
[14:02] <anders__> I've tried to disable all power settings (they're all on "never"), still no luck
[14:02] <anders__> its kind of annyoing
[14:03] <anders__> I had trouble with xbmc and xscreensaver as well, but removed it and seems to be working now
[14:03] <GridCube> anders__, be sure to change it on all the power settings, "with a/c" "whit battery" etc
[14:03] <anders__> ye I have
[14:03] <anders__> still no luck
[14:03] <GridCube> also see of you have screensaver settings that are also going on
[14:04] <anders__> removed xscreensaver, so don't think I have any screensaver installed right now
[14:06] <GridCube> i havent had this problems in a long while
[14:06] <GridCube> mmm
[14:07] <GridCube> i don't remember if theres any other thing to do
[14:07] <GridCube> i would try another player thoug
[14:09] <anders__> installing smplayer as we speak :)
[14:10] <anders__> thanks for the help :)
[14:12] <brainwash> anders__, you should also try caffeine https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[14:12] <brainwash> "A status bar application able to temporarily prevent the activation of both the screensaver and the "sleep" powersaving mode."
[14:19] <xubuntu776> the default fonts of xubuntu is droid sans?hm what about chrom os fonts?anyone have tested?its more eye candy?
[14:20] <GridCube> i like the unbuntu mono font
[14:21] <xubuntu776> mono font
[14:21] <xubuntu776> hm i ll check it
[14:21] <xubuntu776> and what about themes?
[14:22] <xubuntu776> i want to make a bit more eye candy xubuntu without heavy stuff like compiz (although its pretty cool by default!)
[14:23] <Touhou11> You're aware XFCE has its own built-in compositor?
[14:25] <Touhou11> I'd agree about avoiding Compiz, it's fairly dead as a project
[14:28] <GridCube> i use default greybird, but i liked mediterranean gtk too http://i.imgur.com/dEtxS07.png
[14:35] <Touhou11> GridCube: That's surprisingly nice for a dark theme
[14:36] <GridCube> :) it is
[14:39] <denseacat_> sup bros
[14:40] <denseacat_> PLease give me link to linux distro, that will fits into 512 mb sdc, have GUI, apps and shit, and can be run under most hardware configurations
[14:41] <denseacat_> Live USB-SDC :D
[14:42] <GridCube> denseacat_, puppy, slitaz, tinycore, DSL
[14:42] <GridCube> in that order
[14:42] <denseacat_> so, better install puppy?
[14:43] <denseacat_> will it run in live usb persistent mode?
[14:45] <GridCube> ask in #puppylinux
[14:45] <GridCube> :)
[14:46] <nyuszika7h> hi, is there a way to position windows to the center of the screen and save the position if possible?
[14:47] <denseacat_> Well, that's a good advice for me! Thank you, GridCube. Good luck, guys.
[14:47] <GridCube> man wmctrl
[14:47] <GridCube> nyuszika7h, ^
[14:47] <nyuszika7h> ok, thanks
[14:47] <nyuszika7h> also hai GridCube, didn't know you're here :P
[14:47] <GridCube> P: i live here
[14:48] <nyuszika7h> why is the Alt-F2 launcher so slow at opening?
[14:48] <GridCube> its now integrated to an app finder
[14:49] <nyuszika7h> well, I guess it's not too good for my Intel Pentium M 740 :P
[14:49] <GridCube> here it takes like 2-3 seconds to open
[14:49] <nyuszika7h> GridCube: it takes minutes here
[14:49] <GridCube> no, thats not good
[14:50] <GridCube> you could add verve to the panel plugins
[14:51] <nyuszika7h> GridCube: thanks for the tip
[14:52] <nyuszika7h> the only problem is, this screen is only 1280x800
[14:52] <nyuszika7h> already too little space for the application icons
[14:52] <nyuszika7h> even without Verve, a bit too little with many apps
[14:52] <nyuszika7h> maybe I could make the clock a bit shorter
[15:10] <GridCube> nyuszika7h, the withe thingy its where my verve goes P: http://i.imgur.com/UYpQpY2.png
[15:55] <anders__> hi
[15:55] <anders__> anyone here who has experience with the logitech harmony one remote and linux?
[15:55] <anders__> congruity won't detect my remote
[15:58] <bekks> So which Ubuntu do you have?
[16:02] <anders__> newest xubuntu
[16:05] <bekks> Which version exactly?
[16:12] <anders__> lol I actually don't know where it says what version
[16:14] <lderan> in your terminal type "cat /etc/issue" that should tell you
[16:14] <lderan> or i think "lsb_release -a" that may work if the first doesn't
[16:14] <anders__> ubuntu 13.04
[18:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> having issue mounting my samba share with proper permissions; ll shows the contents to be owned by root:root
[18:42] <Levy> Hi for all Xubuntu users !
[18:43] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: Try something like appending  -o uid=1000,gid=1000
[18:43] <elfy> hello Levy
[18:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> Unit193: using the fstab, any difference?
[18:43] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: Yeah, drop the "-o"
[18:44] <Unit193> //<IP_ADDRESS>/share /mnt/alphawvm/ cifs credentials=/root/alpha,uid=1000,gid=1000,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0777 0 0
[18:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> Unit193: I could kiss you XD
[18:47] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: Hah.  My dir_mode isn't normal, and not really needed like that.
[18:47] <Levy> hi ! I'm have huawei HG658 adsl modem with USB. DLNA server workin ok, FTP server from usb device working ok. I'ts possible to mount the USB penndrive from adsl modem into a linux operating sistem like xubuntu ? I have Xubuntu 12.04 in another pc >  Thanks !
[18:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> Unit193: what would you suggest, as a normal/default dir_mode?
[18:50] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: Could just drop it off, was an example I used (and maybe needed at the time.)
[18:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> alrighty, seems I got it right. is there a way to delay this until after login?
[18:54] <Unit193> Not that I know of.
[18:54] <Levy> Any ideea ???
[18:54] <Levy> hi ! I'm have huawei HG658 adsl modem with USB. DLNA server workin ok, FTP server from usb device working ok. I'ts possible to mount the USB penndrive from adsl modem into a linux operating sistem like xubuntu ? I have Xubuntu 12.04 in another pc >  Thanks !
[19:30] <nyuszika7h> "Your current network has a .local domain, which is not recommended and incompatible with the Avahi network service discovery. The service has been disabled."
   I've seen discussions on previous versions of similar issues but they don't seem to match what I am seeing.
[19:44] <Topographic0cean> Any one know of a way to debug this?
[19:44] <Guest76915> the bottom menu is dynamic and not fixed
[19:45] <Guest76915> theres also no start button
[19:45] <[0gb_us]> Sorry, I don't know. I'm on 12.04.
[19:45] <Guest76915> Topo roll back to 12.04 cause 13.04 isnt LTS
[19:45] <nukke> what do you mean there's no menu button?
[19:45] <nukke> start button *
[19:45] <[0gb_us]> Start button? Why would there be a start button?  I cant see it on my screen
[19:46] <Guest76915> my bad guys
[19:46] <[0gb_us]> No worries.
[19:46] <nukke> Topographic0cean: go to Menu > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts
[19:47] <nukke> and click on the restore defaualts button
[19:48] <Topographic0cean> did that
[19:49]  * [0gb_us] just noticed that Ubuntu's screen lock properly disables the backlight, but Xubuntu's does not
[19:49] <Topographic0cean> no luck
[19:49] <Topographic0cean> no shortcut works, even default ones
[19:50] <Topographic0cean> I was hoping there is some logging  I can turn on to see if that uncovers the issue
[19:50] <Guest76915> ok I managed to move the menus
[19:51] <Guest76915> how do I shift the menu? right now it is being left-adjusted
[19:53] <nukke> Topographic0cean: perhaps this thread mgiht help you: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29661
[19:55] <Topographic0cean> seen that one but in that thread, some keyboard shortcuts work but not others.  In my case, nothing works.  As if some daemon is not running, but all xfce daemons seem to be running.
[19:56] <Guest76915> what kind of shortcut do you want?
[19:57] <Topographic0cean> well, it would be great if <supert>-t started a terminal (that is the default key binding)
[19:58] <Guest76915> why not try another shortcut like <shift> t opens terminal
[20:05] <Topographic0cean> because that doesn 't work.  No short cut works, either defaults or modified ones.
[20:05] <Topographic0cean> the issue is somethng more basic but I am not sure how to debug it.
[21:13] <scottbomb1> ISO test
[21:13] <knome> scottbomb1?
[21:14] <scottbomb> just testing per desktop testcase
[22:13] <donnie> Command to check what mb my video card is?
[22:18] <GridCube> lspci | grep "VGA"
[22:18] <GridCube> donnie,
[22:40] <xubuntu101> Hello everyone
[22:40] <xubuntu101> I installed Xubuntu, but now im not getting any boot options
[22:41] <xubuntu101> the first thing I did was reorder my boot sequence. HDD is first
[23:05] <gp5st> how do i stop parole from poppuing up when I put a CD in?
[23:27] <bomm> hey, i'm having some trouble installing xubuntu onto my hdd
[23:27] <[0gb_us]> What is the issue?
[23:27] <bomm> i keep getting an error at the partition stage
[23:28] <[0gb_us]> What partition options are you using, and what error?
[23:29] <bomm> im trying to install the xubuntu on a partition i made through windows (but the error comes up for all the partitions i try), it says: no root system is defined
[23:30] <bomm> *the partition i made for xubuntu to go on is listed as undefined also*
[23:30] <[0gb_us]> Okay, you need to install GRUB, or you need to install Xubuntu the normal way, without choosing a partition, thus making a new one and installing GRUB.
[23:32] <bomm> how would i go about letting xubuntu making its own partition
[23:34] <[0gb_us]> Don't use the advanced option. Choose "Install Xubuntu allongside other operating systems".
[23:34] <bomm> alright, im going to switch to my phones irc. i was trying to let it do its own thing like that but it wouldnt let me
[23:35] <bomm> be back in a few
[23:35] <bomm> also, thanks for helping me
[23:38] <xubuntu101> .
[23:38] <Bommer> Hey in back
[23:38] <xubuntu101> did it work bommer?
[23:39] <xubuntu101> i also created 2 partitions when installing windows
[23:39] <Bommer> Just trying now, had to reboot
[23:39] <xubuntu101> then i made the unused partition NTFS
[23:39] <xubuntu101> then i deleted that partition, made it ext4, but now my xubuntu isnt booting at all
[23:39] <Bommer> Oh
[23:40] <Bommer> And I'm at the install menu
[23:40] <Bommer> I have the options to: replace windows 7 with xubuntu OR
[23:40] <Bommer> Something else
[23:41] <Bommer> So I have to choose the something else option I assume
[23:44] <xubuntu101> do u have a single partition Bommer?
[23:44] <Bommer> It's partitioned a few times a believe
[23:46] <xubuntu101> then ull need to choose something else
[23:47] <Bommer> And it's at that screen after choosing something else where I am stucj
[23:47] <xubuntu101> stuck how?
[23:48] <Bommer> The no root system defined error
[23:49] <[0gb_us]> Huh. Do you still have your Windows 7 disc?
[23:50] <Bommer> No, the windows 7 os came installed
[23:50] <[0gb_us]> Do you have a D:\ recovery partition?
[23:50] <Bommer> Yep
[23:51] <xubuntu101> ok do this bommer
[23:51] <xubuntu101> what partitions do u have?
[23:51] <[0gb_us]> I think you can use D:\ to make an install disk.
[23:51] <Bommer> Oh really?
[23:51] <[0gb_us]> That's what I'm told.
[23:52] <Bommer> I have a main a recovery one I can't remember for and one I tried to make for xubuntu
[23:52] <[0gb_us]> THough I'm not a Windows user, so I don't know.
[23:52] <Bommer> Ah alright
[23:52] <xubuntu101> tried making one? does it exist?
[23:52] <Bommer> I partitioned it but didn't format it
[23:53] <xubuntu101> if it does. what you should do is this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148881/dual-boot-windows-xp-and-ubuntu-12-04
[23:53] <xubuntu101> so under that partition it says 'free space'
[23:54] <Bommer> The device says unusable.
[23:55] <Bommer> Should I format the partition first?
[23:55] <xubuntu101> just click on your empty partition and select delete
[23:56] <Bommer> I can't delete it in the setup menu
[23:56] <xubuntu101> i could
[23:57] <xubuntu101> if it already says free space. then u need to make it an ext4
[23:58] <Bommer> Can I format it a ext4 through windows?
[23:58] <xubuntu101> no u dont need to do that
[23:58] <xubuntu101> u can do it at the setup
[23:59] <xubuntu101> where it says free space, select "add"
[23:59] <Bommer> I don't see free space anywhere
[23:59] <Bommer> Wish I could show you
[23:59] <[0gb_us]> You need to delete the partition you made in Windows for Xubuntu.


[02:41] <rgreening> mcasadevall: ping-a-loo
[02:41] <rgreening> hmm... or is that NCommander
[02:42] <NCommander> rgreening, both
[02:42] <rgreening> uh-huh... Identity crisis abounds
[02:42] <rgreening> :)
[02:42] <rgreening> NCommander: you see my msg earlier
[02:42] <NCommander> indeed
[02:42] <rgreening> :)
[02:43] <rgreening> It was a bit of porting (and learning gtk
[02:44]  * rgreening apt-get purge gtk******
[02:44] <rgreening> :)
[02:44] <mcasadevall> ahaha
[15:22] <hardaway> cjwatson: I guess the update did not make it---the June 27 cdimage still has the June 15 manifest
[17:25] <hardaway> how about ubiquity?
[20:05] <Ahmuck> ah ha.  i think i may have found the right forum
[20:05] <Ahmuck> forum/channel
[20:05] <Ahmuck> i need to understand some things about the installer and am hoping somebody can help me
[21:40] <cjwatson> Ahmuck: best to ask straight out, and then we can answer when available (I'm just here very briefly)


[00:04] <tomreyn> the qwebirc person in #ubuntu has installed using the 18.04.1 server live installer, and ended up with fstab with the root file system saying pass_no = 0
[00:04] <tomreyn> fs_passno
[00:04] <tomreyn> another bug?
[00:06] <tomreyn> other file systems were also 0. fstab(5) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man5/fstab.5.html states "The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1. Other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2."
[00:07] <tomreyn> their actual fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ScBmr66SQH/
[01:38] <tomreyn> how do i file a bug against subiquity?
[01:39] <tomreyn> i got the issue above confirmed
[01:42] <tomreyn> got it
[02:05] <cryptodan> Well I got CentOS 5 installed on my server a PE4600 and the raid firmware will not flash
[02:24] <tomreyn> so we got bug 1785354
[02:25] <tomreyn> and (mnaybe more a feature request?) bug 1785356
[03:01] <cryptodan> nacc: whislock that AACRAID Issue that I ham plagued with goes all the way back to CentOS 5 on Kernel 2.6 supposedly validated by Dell to work back then
[03:21] <cryptodan> nacc: whaley this is what im getting now.  https://www.dell.com/community/PowerEdge-HDD-SCSI-RAID/Update-Firmware-PE4600/m-p/6129682/highlight/true#M49162 I have nothing on that channel
[19:09] <cryptodan> why does ubuntu server come with the grub line of CONSOLE MODE commented out
[19:13] <cryptodan> Wished Ubuntu Server came defaulted with Console Mode enabled via grub so I can see what is going on with my server install
[19:31] <cryptodan> so any way I can get to see the console output on my server?  I used to be able to boot it up and see the IP in my router, and ssh to it then remove the comment and update grub.  I cant do that as it appears this fresh install is stuck on mounting home and the monitor is completely dark
[19:32] <cryptodan> 400 people yet no one knows
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> !aptience | cryptodan
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> !patience
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> cryptodan: we have volunteers all ovber the world, on different timezones, they cant all be online at your question time, i hope you understand?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> cryptodan: also try to be as specific as you can, start with ubuntu server version, kernel, where are you stuck at wich step? the more details, the more chance of solving
[19:40] <cryptodan> its all ubuntu server servers
[19:40] <cryptodan> regardless of which version I install I always have to ssh into and enable grub console to print out the booting messages of the server
[19:43] <cryptodan> thank you Ubuntu for not supporting older hardware and not making sure the drivers work like AACRAID
[20:02] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it was engineered in this way just to make *you* sad about this. maybe there were some other factors which influenced the decision making, just potentially.
[20:04] <cryptodan> I would imagine that every system admin would love to see their console boot messages as to help troubleshoot any post installation problems
[20:04] <cryptodan> you know such as kernel panics and what not
[20:04] <cryptodan> device loading problems
[20:15] <tomreyn> you will still get to see such on a serial console. you can also customize the installation, or deploy changes post intallation. many options.
[20:16] <cryptodan> should be simple for just one server sitting in a basement in a non-data center environment