[12:00] <teroedni_> does linux have an more realitistic benchmark
[12:00] <kisain> can you get ebooks through syn?
[12:00] <teroedni_> :P
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: if it works without a problem, isn't that enough :-/
[12:00] <LazySod> the "leave sound at remote" doesn't work with rdesktop... any ideas how to fix this?
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: be happy that your system works :-|
[12:00] <jrhodes> nickrud: dead on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomips
[12:00] <IIIEars> How can i check md5 hashes from the command line?
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: man md5sum :-p
[12:01] <teroedni_> cant i am an overclocker and want to get the best out of my system;)
[12:01] <IIIEars> okay - man md5 did pfft! - lol
[12:01] <mypapit> IIIEars, md5sum pukimak.img << where pukimak.img is your file
[12:01] <teroedni_> factor_dee why do you say that
[12:01] <nickrud> jrhodes, back when I compiled kernels, linus mentioned that while replying to a mail on the list, and I never forgot
[12:01] <IIIEars> Thank You :)
[12:02] <we2by> wow
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: 'cause my comp doesn't work :-\, ram got borged
[12:02] <we2by> Ubuntu is great
[12:02] <teroedni_> borged?
[12:02] <xMaximex> does anyone know how to set gkrellm to use lm-sensors data for cpu temp ?
[12:02] <Lafitte-> anyone ever see any bottom bars that look and act like os10 ?   where the icons raise when mouseover ?
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> blown up, fucked up, not working
[12:02] <teroedni_> doesnt understand evry computer language
[12:03] <teroedni_> ahh
[12:03] <Kpjas> I wonder one thing that it usually said  about U is that it has access to enormous number of Debian packages and now I hear installing Debian packages is not recommended ? what is the way to go when an app is not available in U ? Compile from sources ?
[12:03] <Jet2k5> where can I find the minimum requirements for Ubuntu?
[12:03] <jrhodes> Lafitte-, e17's "engage" does that pretty well... it's just a bit of an annoyance to get it working
[12:03] <teroedni_> jet2k5 works fine on my p2 350 mhz
[12:03] <uireow> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25586.html <-- I need to do the second thing he did in the second post.  Can someone make sense of what -lXxf86vm does?
[12:03] <Lafitte-> jrhodes, aww
[12:03] <teroedni_> have you got below that?
[12:04] <nickrud> Kpjas, try multiverse first, and then, if you're brave, you can try. I couldn't get the one thing I wanted
[12:04] <jrhodes> Jet2k5, reasonable minimum requirements are a Pentium II-class CPU, 64MB ram, and a 5GB hard drive
[12:04] <uireow> speaking of engage, I'm compiling evas
[12:04] <teroedni_> can you get post with the ram factor-dee?
[12:05] <sebas__> nickrud it didn't help the x-server did not restart
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: could you rephrase? and it's Fator ;-)
[12:05] <Kpjas> Jet2k5: and a decent gfx card I think
[12:05] <nickrud> sebas__, you were too fast, I wanted to look at it first :)
[12:05] <teroedni_> upps stuoid me
[12:05] <teroedni_> stupid
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: but not the first one :-)
[12:05] <nickrud> sebas__, can you post it on pastebin.com for me?
[12:06] <pdk001> hi all
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: but what did you mean exactly?
[12:06] <teroedni_> can you get any thing on the monitor with the faulty ram innstalled?
[12:06] <jrhodes> where a 'decent graphics card' in this case is anything MillenniumII/Permedia2 and up for just multimedia and desktop, and geforce2/radeon7000 and up for gaming
[12:06] <Jet2k5> that's it guys?
[12:06] <Jet2k5> I have a friend that wants to try Linux he has like a 600 MHz processor
[12:06] <Lafitte-> jrhodes,  where does one find that   im on web page   but doesnt look like correct stuff there
[12:06] <Jet2k5> and 180 megs of ram
[12:06] <jrhodes> that'll do.
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I can boot up, XFCE starts ok, and after a minute or two it reboots or hangs up
[12:06] <Jet2k5> K
[12:06] <xMaximex> does anyone know how to set gkrellm to use lm-sensors data for cpu temp ?
[12:06] <teroedni_> no problem
[12:06] <Jet2k5> I thought it would bee way too slow
[12:06] <Jet2k5> thanks guys
[12:06] <Jet2k5> have a good one
[12:06] <jrhodes> I used to run linux on a P2-450
[12:07] <nickrud> sebas__, try again :)
[12:07] <jrhodes> and I still run it on a 50mhz SuperSparc!
[12:07] <teroedni_> what is xfce then?
[12:07] <sebas__> nickrud will try never been there and i have to rewrite Gedit but I just lost the info
[12:07] <jrhodes> xfce is a window manager
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: it's like Gnome and KDE
[12:07] <nickrud> sebas__, you on another computer right now?
[12:07] <jrhodes> except without the bloat, and it doesn't do a 'desktop'
[12:07] <teroedni_> have you tried lowering latency and mhz?
[12:08] <sebas__> nick-rud sorry it forced me to sudo dpkg-reconfigure ..........
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I'm not exactly proficient with that kind of stuff :-\
[12:08] <othernoob> what do i have to do to get opera to see the jre ?
[12:08] <sebas__> nickrud same machine two partitions
[12:08] <nickrud> sebas__, that's ok, just add those two lines, exactly
[12:08] <teroedni_> you mean your not used to bios? or?
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: and it started doing that only a week or two ago, first it would be okay for a few hours, and then it got worse, not staying up for a ten minutes
[12:09] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: so I think the memories are dying of old age :-p
[12:09] <sebas__> nickrud I'm sorry I lost the numbers you looked up for me
[12:09] <teroedni_> how do you know its memory?
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I had 3 chips (or what are they called) a friend of mine took one, it did the same thing with his comp
[12:10] <teroedni_> what computer is it
[12:10] <`psycho> hi ppl
[12:10] <marios> hello everyone
[12:10] <sebas__> nickrud saving X-chat history is something I have to learn also I can't expect to be answered again
[12:10] <`psycho> can sombody please help me with wine?
[12:10] <marios> what's the problem with wine?
[12:10] <Ali_Baba> Is there a big difference if you compile java code with javac or with gcj?
[12:11] <marios> @alibaba:nop
[12:11] <nickrud> sebas__, don't worry about it, you'll get up that learning curve
[12:11] <`psycho> i get error 1
[12:11] <teroedni_> it may be
[12:11] <teroedni_> but you may be able to get it living if you can lower their speed
[12:12] <teroedni_> fator_dee?
[12:12] <Fator_Dee> teroedni_: I don't know if I the time
[12:12] <dug> Ali_Baba: no, but for big java apps, someone was saying java 1.5 has a memory leak
[12:12] <teroedni_> what?
[12:14] <nicklax> anyone knows how much will be longer available mplayer? :'(
[12:15] <urb85> Guys anyone know how to install KDE on Ubuntu>
[12:15] <Lafitte-> if i install enlightenment   how do i run it  instead of gnome ?
[12:15] <Riddell> urb85: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:15] <nicklax> urb85, you should install kubuntu, it's like ubuntu but with Kde
[12:16] <tnlaw2> nicklax i agree kubuntu is best
[12:16] <Lafitte-> why is kde best ?
[12:16] <urb85> Riddell, thanks
[12:16] <urb85> nicklax, thanks but I have Ubuntu already in
[12:16] <nicklax> urb85, no problem, just a suggestion
[12:17] <nicklax> Lafitte-, he said that it's better to install kubuntu than kde in ubuntu, not that kde is better ;)
[12:17] <urb85> nicklax, I have just found it on kubuntu/faq.php :)
[12:17] <nicklax> urb85, cool
[12:17] <Lafitte-> nicklax,  aww    you know how to switch from gnome to enlightement ?
[12:18] <Lafitte-> nicklax,   i installed enlightenment   but i need to run it somehow now
[12:18] <nickrud> Lafitte-, echo <command to run enlightenment>  > .xsession
[12:18] <nickrud> Lafitte-, then select xsession from gdm login screen
[12:18] <carl> I setup a WEP connection to an AP, it worked.  Now I am a trying to get the box to connect to an AP that doesn't need WEP, and I can't get the KEY to go away
[12:18] <nicklax> Lafitte-, yes, just like nickrud said :D
[12:19] <nickrud> nicklax, I couldn't really read your mplayer question, you want to install it?
[12:19] <nicklax> nickrud, no, i meant how longer will it be avaialbe because of the legal stuff
[12:19] <peter__> I want to work wie
[12:20] <peter__> I want to work wireless with a conceptronic usb 54 adapter
[12:20] <aristo> I just install Ubuntu, and i do a sudo passwd root for giving a root password, it works only on the console
[12:20] <nickrud> nicklax, it appears that debian is allowing it into main, so I think the mplayer guys have done some tricky stuff to make it legal, you get to illegal by getting the codecs :)
[12:21] <aristo> when ill tried to use the gui version for administration tools, it didnt take the password.. you got a clue why
[12:21] <nicklax> nickrud, yeah, the essential codecs :D
[12:21] <urb85> Riddell, with KDE installed on top of Ubuntu, will I still be able to use Gnome?
[12:21] <marios> yup
[12:21] <Riddell> urb85: certainly can
[12:21] <urb85> Riddell, thanks
[12:21] <nickrud> nicklax, hey, a crippled, legal mplayer that will allow us to be illegal on a case by case basis is acceptable, I think :)
[12:22] <aristo> ...
[12:23] <AristoMagnus> I just install Ubuntu, and i do a sudo passwd root for giving a root password, it works only on the console
[12:23] <AristoMagnus> when ill tried to use the gui version for administration tools, it didnt take the password.. you got a clue why
[12:23] <Lafitte-> nice      ubuntu defaults to gnome either way you do it
[12:24] <apsuva> What is the location of the "gcc" program
[12:24] <rupertsw> AristoMagnus, Yeah - they use gksudo, which, like sudo, asks for your normal user password
[12:24] <apsuva> /usr/bin/gcc ?
[12:24] <ys76> apsuva, which gcc
[12:24] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: you use your own password for those
[12:24] <Lafitte-> /usr/bin/gcc
[12:24] <AristoMagnus> thenuke_, my user passwd ?
[12:24] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: yes
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  if its installed   mine wasnt by default
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> your right
[12:25] <apsuva> The answer "/usr/bin/gcc" is invalid.  It must be the complete name of a binary
[12:25] <apsuva> file.
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> lol
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> my user is a super user?
[12:25] <nicklax> Hey, anyone knows how can i make links to the files i mean, like shortcuts, i can't remember the command :)
[12:25] <rupertsw> nicklax, ln or ln -s
[12:25] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: rather like able to be one when needed ;)
[12:25] <nickrud> nicklax, ln -s
[12:25] <nicklax> thankx :D
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  i typed which gcc   i got that
[12:25] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: sudoer, that is
[12:25] <AristoMagnus> ok
[12:25] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  type sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:26] <AristoMagnus> but if i create another user.. he will not be able to configure it
[12:26] <AristoMagnus> just hope lol
[12:26] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  see what that says
[12:26] <thenuke_> AristoMagnus: /etc/sudoers configures that thing, if you ever need others
[12:26] <apsuva> now running update
[12:26] <nickrud> AristoMagnus, your first user is added to the admin group, which has sudo powers, any other user you you can chose not to add to that group
[12:26] <Ali_Baba> thanks for java answers.
[12:27] <Marble2> Does anyone know why traceroute doesn't work for me? I've tried tcptraceroute too, that doesn't work. Everything just times out after the first hop. I can use the internet fine
[12:27] <apsuva> i m later use this command
[12:27] <AristoMagnus> ok
[12:27] <apsuva> i am not speak english sorry
[12:27] <AristoMagnus> thanks guys
[12:27] <apsuva> thanks Lafitte-
[12:28] <Lafitte-> apsuva,  yep :)
[12:28] <AristoMagnus> and also, i wanna know if i can use dual screen by configuring something easyer than just editing xorg.conf
[12:28] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: should not gcc be installed by apt-getting build-essentials?
[12:28] <venkat> Hey knowledgeable guys, does anyone know how ipmasq is configured / what it is configured to do in ubuntu
[12:28] <AristoMagnus> i tried my xorg.conf that i had from my gentoo box.. and it froze the machine :/
[12:28] <venkat> the /etc/init.d/ipmasq
[12:28] <Kraeloc> In most cases, a package for Debian should work on Ubuntu, correct?
[12:28] <rupertsw> Kraeloc, Yep
[12:28] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  i got mine just with apt-get install gcc   then i compiled cegega withit
[12:29] <urb85> Riddell, I have just installed KDE, to make it active do I have to Log-off?
[12:29] <venkat> i had to turn off that service to get connected to the net
[12:29] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  not sure why wasnt in already  usually  builds have compiler installed already
[12:29] <zakann> hello
[12:29] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: cant fit everything on one cd
[12:29] <Riddell> urb85: you might be able to run the programs from the Applications menu straight away (assuming gnome does dynamic updates like that), otherwise log off and choose KDE as your session
[12:29] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: and very few ones actually need to build things by them selves
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  yeah    guess not     but the debian apt could have grabbed it im sure
[12:30] <urb85> Riddell, right, thanks, I will come back and let you know :P
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  yeah thats true
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  i usually make my own build    but ubuntu worked nicely
[12:30] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  but it seems to limit me abit
[12:30] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: :-/
[12:30] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: how?
[12:31] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  for one  i just edited the files ot load enlightenment   and it still loaded gnome
[12:31] <Lafitte-> thenuke_,  some gaurd scripts are in place
[12:31] <venkat> Lafitte-, create .xinitrc script
[12:32] <uireow> when i run autogen.sh, i get a whole slew of errors now, starting with Running aclocal...
[12:32] <uireow> aclocal: configure.in: 17: macro `AM_ENABLE_SHARED' not found in library
[12:32] <conejo> hola?
[12:32] <venkat> Lafitte-, put "exec Enlightment" or so in the .xinitrc script
[12:32] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: you should be able to configure that, I just dont know how
[12:32] <thenuke_> Lafitte-: ask the channel :)
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat, i already edited the files with enlightenment    it does it for you
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat,  and no dice
[12:33] <venkat> Lafitte-, is gdm still starting automatically?
[12:33] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes
[12:34] <venkat> Lafitte-, "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[12:34] <kisain> how do you install java?
[12:34] <kisain> for mozilla?
[12:34] <venkat> Lafitte-, after it comes to console, do a "startx"
[12:34] <Marble2> Does anyone know why traceroute doesn't work for me? I've tried tcptraceroute too, that doesn't work. Everything just times out after the first hop. I can use the internet fine
[12:35] <venkat> Marble2, can you issue a  "dmesg " command
[12:35] <Marble2> that's too much to paste here
[12:36] <venkat> Marble2, okie...just the last 4 lines or so after u issue a traceroute?
[12:36] <Marble2> but like can i? yes
[12:36] <thenuke_> kisain: http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:36] <Marble2> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[12:36] <Marble2> apm: overridden by ACPI.
[12:36] <Marble2> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[12:36] <Marble2> UDF-fs INFO UDF <IP_ADDRESS> (2004/29/09) Mounting volume 'ID4_DAT', timestamp 2004/03/08 21:27 (1ed4)
[12:36] <kisain> kk
[12:36] <Lafitte-> venkat,  no dice there    ill have to double check things
[12:36] <venkat> Lafitte-, sorry...forgot to tell you it wud shut off things!
[12:36] <Lafitte-> venkat,    hehe   yeah was    fun though
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  but it didnt help any   i need to find some script info
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, I am running fluxbox...no probs here!
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, i actually got rid of gdm!!
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat, what file i need to edit ?
[12:37] <Lafitte-> i want ot try enlightenment
[12:37] <venkat> Lafitte-, do u have a .xinitrc file
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  and remove it also
[12:37] <Lafitte-> venkat,  where is it located  i cant find one
[12:38] <venkat> Lafitte-, do a nano ~/.xinitrc
[12:38] <Lafitte-> venkat,  id say no i dont have one
[12:38] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:38] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's located in your home directory.
[12:38] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes i have one  check this out
[12:38] <urb85> Yweeee KDE works great on ubuntu!!
[12:38] <venkat> Marble2, sorry...no clue..i was trying out some stuff, cudn't ping the router too
[12:38] <Lafitte-> exec /usr/bin/enlightenment
[12:39] <Lafitte-> this is what is in it   rofl
[12:39] <thechitowncubs> How can I open a link that is in my Xchat window when i double click it, right now i have to right click open in mozilla firefox
[12:39] <Marble2> wha
[12:39] <Marble2> t
[12:39] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to do that on a double click
[12:39] <Riddell> urb85: updates "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main"
[12:39] <uireow> hi. i can't run autogen. help
[12:39] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, control click it
[12:39] <Lafitte-> venkat,   so thats done already     something else stopping me
[12:39] <venkat> Marble2, everything started working after I shutoff the ipmasqing service
[12:39] <venkat> Lafitte-, what exactly happens?
[12:40] <Lafitte-> venkat,  if i reboot  i get gnome  not enlightenment
[12:40] <Marble2> venkat: I'm confused
[12:40] <thechitowncubs> nickrud: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
[12:40] <urb85> Riddell, what is that exactly?
[12:40] <Lafitte-> venkat,  although   my file is set to run enlightenment
[12:40] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, np :)
[12:40] <venkat> Marble2, try doing it after a "sudo /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop"
[12:40] <urb85> Riddell, I am using KDE 3.4 and look marvellous
[12:41] <Riddell> urb85: security and major beastie fixes
[12:41] <Riddell> urb85: thanks
[12:41] <Lafitte-> venkat,  mine initrc file in in root
[12:41] <Lafitte-> venkat,  this could be it
[12:41] <venkat> Lafitte-, Does gdm login screen show enlightnement?
[12:41] <thechitowncubs> nick, maybe you know this one too: is there a way to when i double click a nick, have it direct the message toward that person
[12:41] <urb85> Riddell, u great :)
[12:41] <Lafitte-> no it doesnt show
[12:41] <Marble2> sudo: /etc/init.d/ipmasq: command not found
[12:41] <Lafitte-> brb  testting
[12:42] <nalioth> later
[12:42] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, haven't found one for that yet
[12:43] <thechitowncubs> Do you know what i mean?
[12:43] <venkat> Marble2, okie then the problem is not the ipmasq service...can't help u!
[12:43] <Marble2> k
[12:43] <venkat> Marble2, sorry...but am a newb!!
[12:43] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, yeah, right click last menu option, right?
[12:43] <we2by> any one has enemy territory running?
[12:43] <urb85> Riddell, it doesn't run
[12:43] <Marble2> venkat: it's okay... can anyone else help me?
[12:44] <nickrud> we2by, not me personally, but people I've talked to here have
[12:44] <we2by> how did they install it?
[12:44] <Riddell> urb85: what doesn't?
[12:44] <we2by> do you know?
[12:44] <nicklax> hey guys i've just compiled mplayer, installed skin in .mplayer/Skin and fonts. I've compiled it with --enable-gui but still i don't have the gmplayer binary. Why?
[12:44] <nickrud> we2by, not really, I assume the web site has instructions :)
[12:44] <urb85> Riddell: updates "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main"
[12:45] <yonil> How is the "date" for emails recieved set ? I keep getting emails from the future :S (im using thunderbird)
[12:45] <sebas_1> n ickrud  you gone
[12:45] <crimsun> urb85: that goes in your /etc/apt/sources.list. You'll need to update && upgrade afterward.
[12:45] <nickrud> sebas_1, no, I'm still here
[12:45] <venkat> anyone using ubuntu on a powerbook?
[12:45] <urb85> crimsun, ops ph thanks
[12:45] <crimsun> Marble2: are you using a home "router"?
[12:46] <drummer87> hey, is there a way to get rid of the beep in Oo.o when there's an alert?
[12:46] <nickrud> we2by, the problem they had was sound, and doing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats step 3 made it work
[12:46] <Marble2> crimsun: yep
[12:46] <yonil> you guys ? anyone knows regarding emails date ?
[12:47] <Jormundgand> I've installed RealPlayer as per the guide but when I click the icon in the menu nothing happens. Nor does anything happen when I run /opt/RealPlayer/realplay.
[12:47] <crimsun> Marble2: is that router silently dropping them? Please check the router's config.
[12:47] <Ali_Baba> drummer87: edit:current profile:terminal bell off in terminal.
[12:47] <Marble2> crimsun: I dunno, traceroute works fine in other OSs (Windows)
[12:47] <{lafrite}> salut a tous
[12:47] <Marble2> I don't think the router is the problem
[12:47] <{lafrite}> hello
[12:48] <{lafrite}> i have a problem with my wifi system?
[12:48] <{lafrite}> can you help me ?
[12:48] <knapjack> Marble2: What are you trying to do?
[12:48] <crimsun> Marble2: ok, can you ping/traceroute the router?
[12:48] <Marble2> crimsun: yes
[12:48] <Marble2> knapjack: use traceroute. it times out every hop but the first one
[12:48] <Marble2> any site
[12:49] <{lafrite}> thx
[12:49] <crimsun> yonil: the date for your emails sent from Thunderbird?
[12:49] <urb85> crimsun, thanks is upgrading great! do u know where can I set the volume in KDE anyway, it seems too low
[12:49] <crimsun> urb85: kmix?
[12:49] <thechitowncubs> How can I delete menu folders from my gnome applications menu?
[12:49] <urb85> crimsun, Volume control :) found thanks
[12:50] <knapjack> Marble2: I've seen that with private IP'd networks.  Try mtr targetname
[12:50] <thechitowncubs> some of my menus don't show up in smeg
[12:50] <Marble2> that works
[12:50] <drummer87> Ali_Baba, that works for terminal but doesn't affect the beep in open office
[12:50] <crimsun> Marble2: it sounds like your router is dropping said packets
[12:51] <Marble2> how would I fix that?
[12:51] <knapjack> Marble2: It's just the way traceroute/tracepath is written.  You're on a private IP network, right?  Probably 192.168.x.x?
[12:51] <Marble2> yes
[12:51] <Marble2> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:51] <Marble2> the thing is, tracert in windows works fine
[12:52] <Marble2> so how would the router treat it differently?
[12:52] <thechitowncubs> Anyone got an idea?
[12:53] <we2by> what is /dev/adsp?
[12:54] <knapjack> Marble2: I'm Googling now.  It's probably either the TTL or maybe it's source-routed.
[12:54] <Marble2> k
[12:54] <crimsun> we2by: the second alsa oss emulation device
[12:55] <teroedni> where can you change charset?
[12:55] <knapjack> Marble2: According to the man pages, tracepath (and probably traceroute) use UDP, mtr uses ICMP.  Chances are, tracert uses ICMP, too.
[12:56] <Marble2> ah
[12:56] <Marble2> lets see if I can force it to ICMP
[12:56] <Anubis> does anyone know if backports ubuntu is backup?
[12:56] <Anubis> it had the new gaim and fluxbox
[12:57] <Marble2> yep
[12:57] <Lafitte-> venkat,  well  got enlightenment to run   something was wrong
[12:57] <Marble2> traceroute -I forces to ICMP
[12:57] <Marble2> that works
[12:57] <venkat> Lafitte-, great
[12:57] <Marble2> thanks a ton knapjack
[12:57] <venkat> Lafitte-, what went wrong?
[12:57] <urb85> crimsun, do  u know how to make smaller icons in KDE?
[12:57] <Lafitte-> venkat,  didnt have any standard way to use programs
[12:57] <urb85> crimsun, or writing anyway?
[12:58] <Lafitte-> the view i saw  showed same menu as gnome has  but it only had config items
[12:58] <crimsun> urb85: might want to ask in #kubuntu
[12:58] <Lafitte-> venkat,  so i removed it  after editing the file to run gnome again
[12:58] <venkat> Lafitte-, does enlightment have a menu genuration program like fluxbox does?
[12:58] <Anubis> urb85, its in KDE's settings dialog
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yes its like flux
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  i used ot run BB
[12:59] <thingfish> I thought if you used enlightenment you didn't care about menus.
[12:59] <Lafitte-> venkat,  simular
[12:59] <venkat_> exit
[12:59] <Lafitte-> thingfish,  WELL to an extent
[12:59] <Lafitte-> gnome is fine  i wanted to try it   it sucked     im done
[12:59] <urb85> crimsun, thanks
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, okie...i dunno anything abt Enlightment
[01:00] <marios> Please, everybody from CROATIA.... #ubuntu.hr
[01:00] <JDahl> I know I'm a fool to use Breezy, but didnt anyone else have problems with BASH freezing after completing its first command?
[01:00] <urb85> Anubis, thanks will have a look
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah  hehe
[01:00] <JDahl> s/didnt/did
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  ever run Blackbox ?
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, yup...
[01:00] <urb85> Anubis, where exactly is that?
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  not bad either
[01:00] <venkat> Lafitte-, yup...using fluxbox, which is based on blackbox...
[01:00] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[01:00] <CarlFK> where are the WEP keys stored?  (I can't get rid of it via the GUI)
[01:00] <Anubis> urb85, its better you look and find it
[01:01] <Anubis> urb85, its not hidden
[01:01] <venkat> Lafitte-, nice...keyboard shortcuts and eveything
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, ok
[01:01] <Anubis> urb85, are you a first time KDE user?
[01:01] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah   runs fast too
[01:01] <Anubis> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:01] <venkat> CarlFK, try /etc/network/interfaces
[01:01] <Anubis> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, yes
[01:01] <venkat> Lafitte-, I had to compile from source...for the faster version!
[01:01] <thingfish> so what's this "backports"?
[01:01] <urb85> Anubis, but I think I found it on Control Center
[01:01] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, you have gnome ?
[01:02] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes
[01:02] <Lafitte-> venkat,  yeah
[01:02] <urb85> Anubis, because the Actual Window borders are a bit big
[01:02] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, double click the two monitors by the time    choose configure
[01:02] <Anubis> urb85, sorry, then I don't use KDE thats why crimsun pointed you to #kubuntu or #kde
[01:02] <batma8> hey guys
[01:02] <batma8> ok
[01:02] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, that is the same as system/Admin/Network?
[01:02] <batma8> so how would i go about making a dual boot system
[01:02] <Anubis> urb85, hit the "K" then go to kde settings
[01:03] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, double click the wireless connection   drop down list for essid  and keys
[01:03] <venkat> Lafitte-, CarlFK .. i don't use gnome, but i think that's where the network-admin utility puts them
[01:03] <urb85> Anubis, oh np
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: step 1: install two OS
[01:03] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, dunno
[01:03] <batma8> :)
[01:03] <Anubis> urb85, look and feel section
[01:03] <Anubis> urb85, icons
[01:03] <sebas_1> nickrud sorry no diff at all but x-server runs
[01:03] <Anubis> something like that
[01:03] <Lafitte-> venkat,  its where i said  for me
[01:03] <batma8> _hp_ do i install linux first, then win2k?
[01:03] <marios> Please, everybody from CROATIA.... #ubuntu.hr
[01:03] <[R] > hi, how to kill a webcam which is lighten, and prevent Gnomemeting to use it because the webcam is busy ?
[01:03] <thingfish> batma8: install windows first, then linux.
[01:03] <batma8> ok..
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: install win 2k, use partition magic to create your linux partitions and the ninstall linux onto those
[01:03] <batma8> win2k will make a boot menu?
[01:03] <urb85> Anubis, sorry not in my sys, I have just installed KDE on top of Ubuntu, may be different
[01:03] <_hp_> batma8: linux install will
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  yes same spot
[01:04] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's effectively the same thing :)
[01:04] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, seems to be the same - and I have changes the ESSID and WEP to my ESSID/(blank) about 35 times now... it keeps reverting back to the "old" WEP/key
[01:04] <thingfish> batma8: forget partition magic.
[01:04] <thingfish> batma8: the ubuntu installer will allow you to create partitions.
[01:04] <_hp_> batma8: yes, you can create an empty partition
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, are you connecting when you make change ?
[01:04] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, no.
[01:04] <_hp_> thingfish: no, ubuntu destroys partitions
[01:04] <nalioth> batma8: windoze (and Tiger) will eat your bootloader
[01:04] <batma8> ok, so install xp or win2k, then put on linux, it will allow you to make a partition
[01:04] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, have to connec tto make a change
[01:04] <thingfish> no it doesn't
[01:04] <nalioth> batma8: always windoze (or OSX) first
[01:05] <batma8> got ya
[01:05] <Lafitte-> bah duel boot
[01:05] <thingfish> _hp_: if you don't know what you're doing, THAT destroys partitions.
[01:05] <Lafitte-> use vmware
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, the only way I have been able to connect is with iwconfig, but when I rebooted, the ESSID/wep came back
[01:05] <thingfish> batma8: yes.
[01:05] <nalioth> _hp_: parted destroys partitions?
[01:05] <batma8> the idea is to have a windows boot that ONLY loads a menu for my emulators
[01:05] <thr1ce> hey guys
[01:05] <urb85> Anubis, just found it where I was saying :P
[01:05] <thingfish> yuckies vmware
[01:05] <_hp_> thingfish: the install destroyed my partitions
[01:05] <thingfish> nalioth: everyone's a comedian these days.
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, which is why I want to find the source .conf file and vi it out of existance
[01:05] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  you setting the ip dhcp  or manual ?
[01:05] <_hp_> thingfish: it cannot resize and make a new one
[01:05] <venkat> CarlFK, what does your /etc/network/interfaces file say?
[01:05] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, dhcp
[01:06] <thingfish> _hp_: it only did what you told it to do.
[01:06] <nalioth> thingfish: was it my turn?
[01:06] <thingfish> I didn't say anything about resizing.
[01:06] <_hp_> thingfish: yes, i told it to destroy
[01:06] <Anubis> urb85, cool
[01:06] <nickrud> hi thr1ce
[01:06] <_hp_> because it couldn't resize
[01:06] <venkat> CarlFK, that's where the utility puts the network keys!!
[01:06] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,    you need to connect with gnome one to make it save
[01:06] <thingfish> nalioth: hehe no, I meant the "destroyed my partitions"
[01:06] <thingfish> batma8: do not PM me, please.
[01:06] <thr1ce> finally got around to converting my ntfs "stuff" partition to a Fat32
[01:06] <batma8> sorry bud
[01:06] <thingfish> keep it here in the channel, batma8.
[01:06] <nalioth> thingfish: ah i've always found parted to be a friendly thing
[01:07] <nalioth> thr1ce: great!
[01:07] <batma8> ok.my other question
[01:07] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, make sure the gateway is selected  and make sure  the dns are not hanging over
[01:07] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, where does it sotre the location (aka profile) names ?  (not in /etc/network/if's
[01:07] <batma8> will one system see the other when i am in the oposit system?
[01:07] <thingfish> nalioth: parted is pretty friendly, yes.
[01:07] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  no idea
[01:07] <thr1ce> figure i might as well
[01:08] <thingfish> batma8: ubuntu will be able, with a little doing, to see your ntfs partion and read from it.
[01:08] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  you have This device is configured checked ??
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> How can I delete menu folders from my gnome applications menu?
[01:08] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes (dev is confed)
[01:08] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  umm
[01:08] <nalioth> thingfish: they always leave b4 we can skool them
[01:08] <_hp_> nalioth: proper english please
[01:08] <thr1ce> sudo rm -rf <foldername> ;  though be careful, as it will perm. delete it, and not prompt you (with the -rf that is)
[01:08] <venkat> CarlFK, i dunno abt the profiles...sorry...i tried saving it, but it was messing up all my stuff
[01:08] <thingfish> nalioth: maybe he needed a snickers fix.
[01:09] <thr1ce> ooh, um...I forgot where folders are kept
[01:09] <nalioth> _hp_ proper American or English english?
[01:09] <_hp_> nalioth: it really doesn't matter as long as aolspeak is not involved
[01:09] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, most i can tell yeah   mine works     but i used iwtools at first  till i found the gui
[01:09] <nalioth> aolspeak?
[01:09] <thingfish> Americans do not know how to speak proper English.  I should know, I am one.
[01:09] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, do you have 2 locations setup that you switch beween?
[01:09] <_hp_> naderman: lol, b4, u, etc
[01:09] <Lafitte-> venkat,  anyways     ill stick with gnome for now
[01:10] <thingfish> are you an op, _hp_?
[01:10] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  i have 6
[01:10] <_hp_> no
[01:10] <shinu> what X devel package should i get?
[01:10] <venkat> Lafitte-, sure...whatever ur comfortable with!! it was too slow on my machine
[01:10] <naderman> _hp_: what?
[01:10] <_hp_> i am just in quest of justice
[01:10] <nalioth> _hp_: those are common shortcuts in chat appliances around the internet, not just for aol (l)users
[01:10] <crimsun> shinu: x-dev, possible others
[01:10] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, menu folders are weird, they are sorta defined in each .desktop entry, and the menu will translate. So, no simple way
[01:10] <shinu> is it xfree or xorg?
[01:10] <thr1ce> xorg
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: oh, just a concerned citizen. :)
[01:10] <thr1ce> 6.8.2 is the latest
[01:10] <nalioth> _hp_: justice?
[01:10] <_hp_> nalioth: yes
[01:10] <Madpilot> hi all... can someone tell me where Ubuntu/Nautalis keep the PW keyring file? just started using it, would like to know where it hides...
[01:10] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, do all your AP's have keys?
[01:11] <venkat> Lafitte-, it's been nice
[01:11] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, oh  you mean password save?  i noticed  i need ot add keys everytime  to connect  it saves the last used keys after loggin in
[01:11] <shinu> crimsun: thats whats called the X development pack?
[01:11] <nalioth> _hp_: what kind of justice?
[01:11] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, no not all
[01:11] <Lafitte-> venkat,  :)
[01:11] <_hp_> nalioth: sexy justice?
[01:11] <timmow> can anyone help me with infra red on my laptop?
[01:11] <Nabiki> I have a REALLY strange question.  Is there such thing as a boot loader that loads under windows. :P
[01:11] <nalioth> _hp_: you got off on a rant of "aolspeak" and now we're on "sexy justice"
[01:11] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, so if it saves the key, how do you get rid of it when you switch to an AP that doesn't need one?
[01:12] <_hp_> Nabiki: vmware ?
[01:12] <_hp_> nalioth: yes
[01:12] <nalioth> Nabiki: what do you want to do/
[01:12] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i blank it out   hit ok
[01:12] <crimsun> shinu: yep, a metapackage
[01:12] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,   it will always put last set of keys back
[01:12] <nalioth> _hp_: ?
[01:12] <_hp_> Nabiki: seems like vmware will let you do what you are looking for
[01:12] <_hp_> nalioth: ?
[01:12] <shinu> crimsun: sorry... metapackage? ^^'
[01:12] <Lafitte-> brb
[01:13] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, does it  seem like "something" on you side isn't working right?  (even if you are able to work with it)
[01:13] <venkat> Lafitte-, CarlFK ... more on this later...i am trying out wireless schemes...cya later
[01:13] <crimsun> shinu: a package that depends on (and thus pulls in) others
[01:13] <shinu> crimsun: ok thanks a lot :)
[01:13] <CarlFK> venkat, thanks for your efforts
[01:13] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, seems like linux
[01:13] <Nabiki> @.@ I didn't answer the question.. and I Don't think VMware will do what I want. hehe :P
[01:13] <nalioth> Nabiki: what do you want to do/
[01:13] <thingfish> I wonder why ubuntu is so much better than fedora.
[01:13] <crimsun> shinu: a metapackage doesn't actually provide any programs itself, but packages it depends on do
[01:13] <thingfish> must be the special sauce.
[01:14] <crimsun> thingfish: it's the perky pants.
[01:14] <shinu> alright...
[01:14] <nalioth> thingfish: you mean the variety of nuts?
[01:14] <baulder> Man.. that was a waste of time... I kept getting I/O errors on install.. I did a low lever format of the HD and everything and then find out it is a problem on the CD I burned! AHH!
[01:14] <nalioth> baulder: nothing like a "clean" install
[01:14] <Nabiki> I need something that can rewriter my boot sector just to boot to windows, long enough for me to get a new hard drive for my linux partition, since the current one is dieing...   BUT, lilo is an idea.  It writes everything to the boot record I think. :P
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  are you creating locations ??
[01:16] <thr1ce> lilo gives you the option of where to write to
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  it will save setup if you create locations  im sure
[01:16] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, yes.
[01:16] <thechitowncubs> Eh
[01:16] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  i never created them   so maybe more broke then i know
[01:16] <thechitowncubs> I hope menus are improved in 2.12
[01:17] <Nabiki> basicaly though, I need the boot loader to not depend on the drive that is falling apart. ^^;; hehe :)
[01:17] <_hp_> Nabiki: you can get a boot floppy or something?
[01:17] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, will selecting a location, then changing settings, then hitting OK change the locations' settings permanatly?
[01:17] <thr1ce> 2.12 wont' be out until like September
[01:17] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why?
[01:17] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I only did locations in hopes to have a "clean slate"
[01:17] <Nabiki> No floppy drive.  But that wouldn't do much for booting to windows though, if grub can't function O.o;;;   I am just trying to look at different angles.
[01:17] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, seems to me  the settings for the connections should completly save for each location
[01:18] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I am going to try deling all the locations
[01:18] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  like make home      then make work  or school
[01:18] <Flav> iirc, lilo can support raid1 boot partitions
[01:18] <Flav> s/w raid1 to be clear
[01:18] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why?
[01:18] <Flav> it just installs to both mbr's / boot sectors at lilo run time
[01:18] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, the smeg developer shows up here now and then, keep asking, he's your best bet
[01:19] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:19] <we2by> ops
[01:19] <we2by> any one like to help me?
[01:19] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, I get the feeliing only "create location" actualy saves the setings to that location, and then picking that loc loads the settings, but there isn't an update loc settings feature
[01:19] <k31th> yo
[01:20] <Nabiki> Does anyone know what dependancies that lilo has?
[01:20] <whyameye> is there a way to change the size of the fonts in the menus of applications? I tried playing with system->preferences->font in Gnome but that doesn't do it.
[01:20] <Flav> apt-cache show lilo
[01:20] <latis> can I turn off the "beeps" in terminal?
[01:20] <latis> the beeps which comes when I press backspace without any text writter for example
[01:20] <thingfish> Nabiki: apt-cache depends lilo, apt-cache rdepends lilo.
[01:21] <dockane> what is the ng interface under ubuntu for ?
[01:22] <thr1ce> ng?
[01:22] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:22] <a_peck> hey all. how would i format an usb key? i need a fat32 format, i have hoary. thx
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i know you need to connec to save the settings   if fail to cnnect  it doesnt save
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  im testing right now  i have   5 wireless AP   close to me
[01:22] <thr1ce> man mkfs
[01:22] <Lafitte-> hrmm
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, it is broken  somewhat
[01:22] <count0nz> my ipv6 is not working too but i don't know if its just me or not
[01:22] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i dont use location  i just type keys in as needed   only few keys  for me
[01:23] <chiron> HELLO
[01:23] <thr1ce> better yet, man mkfs.vfat
[01:23] <dockane> thr1ce, http://pastebin.com/287674
[01:23] <geneo93> annie are you here
[01:23] <we2by> when executing traceroute6 google.com, I get unknown host. why??
[01:23] <CarlFK> Lafitte-, will an AP that doesn have WEP enabled care if you send a key, or will it just ignore it?
[01:23] <k31th> we2by: ?
[01:24] <ahuman01> we2by, maybe becoz traceroute6 is for IPV6
[01:24] <thr1ce> dockane, I have never even heard of that...sorry man :(
[01:24] <thr1ce> do you have ipv6 compiled into your kernel?
[01:24] <Lafitte-> CarlFK, i had one take not care  and other that does
[01:24] <Madpilot> we2by: this is at least the fourth time you've asked. obviously nobody knows... try www.google.com, see what that gets you.
[01:24] <othernoob> latis: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#konsnobeep
[01:24] <Lafitte-> CarlFK,  the open ones  dont need the keys  so it should not matter    should connect with or without keys   in my book
[01:24] <crimsun> we2by: they have no public external v6 hosts.
[01:25] <Madpilot> If you've got servers mounted in Nautilus for FTP, how can you disconnect w/o dismounting the whole drive?
[01:25] <annereed_nwm> hello...was hoping someone could help with java script opening bank accts--any ideas?
[01:25] <Lafitte-> i need to jam    later all
[01:25] <geneo93> crimsun:  what the url for sun java ubuntu wiki
[01:26] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: what specifically are you after?
[01:26] <annereed_nwm> i tried that--i have it downloaded--but it still tell me to enable java on netscape navigator...
[01:26] <annereed_nwm> i get to the login page and it will not go any further--says "enable java"
[01:27] <geneo93> java
[01:27] <_hp_> annereed_nwm: do you have the plugin as well?
[01:27] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: ok javascript is not java
[01:27] <annereed_nwm> what plug in?
[01:27] <_hp_> for java?
[01:27] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: if you go to ubuntuguide.org, you will find your answer
[01:27] <_hp_> the runtime enviroment?
[01:27] <Nabiki> bbl
[01:27] <annereed_nwm> yep..
[01:27] <geneo93> annereed_nwm:  you need to make links for it
[01:27] <anto9us> we2by: try tracepath
[01:27] <we2by> I found it allready
[01:27] <_hp_> annereed_nwm: have you tried firefox?
[01:28] <nickrud> annereed_nwm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, method three works very nicely
[01:28] <we2by> traceroute6 is for ipv6
[01:28] <anto9us> we2by: yes :)
[01:28] <we2by> when sending alot lines at once, can I parse an arg so irssi send a line per 2 seconds?
[01:28] <Pupeno> To automatically load all the installed emacs extensions, may I load some general file that does the works for me (like /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc) ? (this is the way it works on Gentoo).
[01:28] <annereed_nwm> i will check out ubuntuguide--yep went to firefox--downloaded mozilla-switched programs to kde...
[01:28] <nekohayo> I'm looking for a way to hack my gnome desktop so that it displays a background behind my icons' text, just like the old windows did.. but with the power of gnome (transparency and everything).... did anyone try? I wasn't able to find something in gconf
[01:28] <annereed_nwm> im running out of ideas...
[01:28] <nicklax> i've just compiled mplayer, and i get this error, anyone knows? vo: X11 running at 1280x1024 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[01:28] <nicklax> /root/.gtkrc.mine:6: error: scanner: unterminated string constant
[01:28] <nicklax> and it didn't start
[01:29] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: once you follow the instructions, it doesnt matter kde/gnome/otherWm, as long as its firefox
[01:29] <annereed_nwm> ok--i will give it a shot...thanks..
[01:29] <Flav> nicklax: i'd rename your .gtkrc.mine
[01:29] <nickrud> or galeon or epiphany, for that matter
[01:29] <Madpilot> annereed_nwm: switch banks? :) my bank's onine stuff works OK in Ubuntu, using Opera w/o Java..
[01:30] <nalioth> annereed_nwm: or send us all your money, negating the need for a bank at all....j/k
[01:30] <nicklax> Flav, ill take a look thx
[01:30] <cens0red> hey I can't get the firefox extensions page. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> do you get home page that has letters overlapping each other at your bank: madp[ilot?
[01:30] <geneo93> annereed_nwm:  sky bank sucks anyway
[01:30] <cens0red> It wants me to download the latest version.
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> i have heard that..sky sucks..
[01:30] <cens0red> should I do that, and install it as root? Or will the screw up my package management system?
[01:30] <annereed_nwm> what money? thats why i have to look!!
[01:30] <k31th> sky does suck
[01:31] <nicklax> Flav, what i have to put in gtkrc.mine or modify?
[01:31] <Flav> nicklax:  just rename it
[01:31] <annereed_nwm> madpilot opera w/o java?
[01:31] <nicklax> Flav, to what?
[01:31] <Flav> nicklax: foo
[01:31] <rtwick> hi guys .. ubuntu newbie here ... nd got a problem with ndiswrapper ..
[01:32] <DAC1138> yay, finally got me shipit cds in :-)
[01:32] <geneo93> sky prolly uses M$ crap java
[01:32] <nickrud> cens0red, there's supposed to be a fix by changing a config key, one of the useragent ones, I don't remember off the top of my head
[01:32] <Madpilot> annereed_nwm: The Opera browser - www.opera.com - for Linux, with Java not yet working on this computer...
[01:32] <cens0red> nickrud hmmm. thanx.
[01:32] <rtwick> when i do a modprobe ndiswrapper, i'M GETTING AN ERRO SAYING "OPERATION NOT PERMITTED"
[01:32] <DAC1138> anyone here running windows inside vmware?
[01:33] <_hp_> DAC1138: i am about to
[01:33] <annereed_nwm> gotta run--thanks a bunch!!
[01:33] <Flav> rtwick: try sudo
[01:33] <geneo93> oh she dont want opera
[01:33] <DAC1138> _hp_, eh, doesnt help much. the newest version of vmware?
[01:33] <rtwick> tried that .. as well as logged in as root on a terminal .. still the same
[01:33] <_hp_> DAC1138: i have 4.5.2
[01:33] <DAC1138> _hp_,  im wondering if its faste enough to edit video with, using adobe premiere inside windows in vmware
[01:33] <nickrud> yeah, general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:33] <Madpilot> geneo93: didn't think it was that scary... :)
[01:34] <nickrud> supposed to work, I use galeon or epiphany
[01:34] <geneo93> DAC1138:  why dont you just use windows
[01:34] <DAC1138> _hp_,  i could always dual boot, but thats too much trouble
[01:34] <_hp_> DAC1138: ouch... i don't know... probably should try it or try something like crossover office or even dual boot
[01:34] <nickrud> changed to 1.0.4
[01:34] <rtwick> any other idea Flav ?
[01:34] <DAC1138> geneo93, i'd like to do everything in linux, without rebooting
[01:35] <MarioOs> ok, anybody from croatia?
[01:35] <rtwick> root@ubuntu:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:35] <rtwick> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:35] <DAC1138> geneo93,  raw video is pretty big, so partitioning is an issue too, with a 40 gb HD
[01:35] <rtwick> can some one help pls ?
[01:35] <a_peck> where's the fstab by default again plz?
[01:35] <bigbill52a> how can i change the run level so that I start outside of xwindows....?
[01:35] <geneo93> the reason i'm using linux is i'm sick of wincrap
[01:35] <Flav> rtwick: google *shrug*
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe *
[01:36] <thr1ce> er, without the *
[01:36] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe <module>
[01:36] <thechitowncubs> lol thr1ce
[01:36] <Flav> thr1ce: he's root
[01:36] <rtwick> thrlce tried that same error
[01:36] <TriniTriggs> does anyone here know of a good tagger/renamer?
[01:36] <thr1ce> lol...oops, only read the error :)
[01:36] <TriniTriggs> for music files?
[01:36] <nickrud> a_peck, /etc
[01:37] <Flav> apt-cache search id3
[01:37] <DAC1138> TriniTriggs, freshmeat.net has a bunch
[01:37] <a_peck> nickrud, thx
[01:37] <TriniTriggs> ah.  Thanks
[01:37] <sebas_1> nickrud made a mistake the url to get ubuntu into X-chat again
[01:37] <DAC1138> TriniTriggs, i needed one a while back, but i never got any to work. i just re-ripped my cds with ripper X
[01:37] <nickrud> Trickyphillips, easytag, not a good interface, but powerful
[01:37] <nickrud> seb128, you're here :)
[01:38] <DAC1138> well, cya, gotta go edit some video
[01:38] <nickrud> seb128, sorry, sebas_1 irc.freenode.net
[01:38] <a_peck> arf how do I find out where /media/usbdisk is mounted? will that help me format it?
[01:38] <Flav> nickrud: and TriniTriggs /  Trickyphillips
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> just run mount
[01:38] <^thehatsrule^> or df -h
[01:38] <sebas_1> nickrude i'll try again what channel
[01:38] <nickrud> lol, tabs don't rule :)
[01:39] <TriniTriggs> Flav: what?
[01:39] <TriniTriggs> (btw, how do I make my message glow to a certain user)?
[01:39] <thr1ce> fortran01, club membership?
[01:39] <Flav> TriniTriggs: nickrud was trying to tell you about easytag
[01:39] <Madpilot> TriniTriggs: just start your msg w/ that nickname, I think.
[01:40] <nicklax> i have run mplayer now, but i can't make the movie fullscreen. THere is the option to fullscreen but it's still small. Any ideas?
[01:40] <calamari_> re's :)
[01:40] <geneo93> fortran01:  sounds like madriva user
[01:40] <calamari_> is there some kind of chart that explains which programs run when Ubuntu starts up, and where they are called from?
[01:40] <nickrud> nicklax, change /etc/mplayer.conf to use xv instead of x11
[01:40] <GeoTube> Hey
[01:40] <GeoTube> can anyone tell me if ubuntu is a livecd?
[01:40] <stuNNed> GeoTube: has livecd there are two
[01:40] <_hp_> GeoTube: there is one avaible
[01:40] <geneo93> nicklax:  just the f key
[01:40] <nicklax> nickrud, ill give it a try thx
[01:40] <crimsun> there is a livecd of both Ubuntu and Kubuntu, yes
[01:40] <calamari_> GeoTube: there are live and install versions
[01:40] <stuNNed> GeoTube: i.e: livecd and install cd
[01:41] <GeoTube> stuNNed: thansk
[01:41] <GeoTube> *thanks
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> Madpilot: test?
[01:41] <geneo93> GeoTube:  both
[01:41] <fortran01> geneo93: yeah. the only hindrance is my dialup connection
[01:41] <nicklax> geneo93, yes, but it doesnt make it full screen, i mean it does, but its still at the movie res
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> test
[01:41] <thr1ce> or cubuntu for CDE!
[01:41] <TriniTriggs> TriniTriggs: test
[01:41] <stuNNed> or an ubuntu-lite for older systems
[01:41] <Madpilot> TriniTriggs: you came up highlighted on the first post
[01:42] <stuNNed> like 386 up to p1
[01:42] <thr1ce> stuNNed, make one and submit it
[01:42] <geneo93> stuNNed:  make your own
[01:42] <fortran01> in a 6-cd M* I have everything
[01:42] <calamari_> stuNNed: I was working on an ubuntu-lite, but real life took hold.. no time :)
[01:42] <stuNNed> or maye just 486 and 586
[01:42] <stuNNed> calamari_: LO> :)
[01:42] <stuNNed> calamari_: eh, LOL
[01:42] <nicklax> nickrud, i have /etc/mplayer.conf empty. What should i put in it?
[01:42] <geneo93> stuNNed:  you could install server then add what you want
[01:42] <IIIEars> ""$ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb"" Created a file. - Where did it go? - lol
[01:42] <GeoTube> Can anyone direct me to a torrent of it? If one exists?
[01:42] <nickrud> nicklax, sorry, /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[01:43] <thr1ce> nicklax, you can just change it in the gmplayer menu too if you'd like (assuming you have --enable-gui )
[01:43] <GeoTube> both disks
[01:43] <nicklax> thr1ce, yes, i found it there. THanks
[01:43] <GeoTube> got one.
[01:43] <nicklax> nickrud, thanks
[01:43] <GeoTube> cancel that
[01:43] <geneo93> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[01:43] <stuNNed> geneo93: how'd i do that?
[01:43] <calamari_> I'm trying to figure out where I should put an xmodmap line so that it executes when I boot and gets my keyboard ready to go.  It can't be too early, because I think that gnome resets keyboard settings when it loads
[01:44] <geneo93> opps
[01:44] <IIIEars> Help!!! - HEHE
[01:44] <IIIEars> << Recovering Windows user. - grin
[01:44] <pjw> Are developers going to add any packages in the future?
[01:44] <nickrud> calamari_, .gnomerc is the proper place, but check preferences->keyboard to be sure gnome won't override
[01:44] <geneo93> stuNNed:  jsut look at options before starting install
[01:44] <pjw> to Ubuntu
[01:45] <Madpilot> IIIEars: aren't most of us? :)
[01:45] <Riddell> pjw: lots are added to breezy every day
[01:45] <_hp_> pjw: are cars going to have new features in the future?
[01:45] <fortran01> why is it called Universe?
[01:45] <nicklax> thr1ce, nickrud : now i get "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[01:45] <Riddell> fortran01: because it contains everything in the universe
[01:45] <fortran01> ahhh
[01:45] <IIIEars> lol - Okay i'll give you that. - no need to use a crutch forever. - eh?
[01:45] <geneo93> pjw:  14000 + aint enough for you
[01:45] <calamari_> nickrud: where is .gnomerc? should I create it in ~ ?
[01:46] <nickrud> nicklax, I've made that change for years on my voodoo3, try mplayer -vo help to check
[01:46] <nickrud> calamari_, yes
[01:47] <nicklax> nickrud, OK, thanks.
[01:47] <IIIEars> ""$ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb"" <<- Creates the base for a handy deb install script. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-33584.html
[01:47] <nickrud> gotta get a new machine :)
[01:47] <nicklax> nickrud, :) good bye
[01:48] <calamari_> nickrud: I'll try it.. thank you :)
[01:48] <nickrud> calamari_, I actually source my .bashrc there until I woke up :)
[01:48] <pjw> I don't think about it, Are developers going to add any "default" packages?
[01:49] <_hp_> pjw: what are you looking for?
[01:50] <pjw> english language isn't my first language, so i sometimes make mistakes
[01:51] <nickrud> IIIEars, if you really want to control stray debs properly, man dpkg-scanpackages
[01:51] <_hp_> pjw: is there a reason for the question? I am sure that packages will be different with breezy, and (almost) everything you need can be found in synaptic
[01:51] <pjw> and we probably can't understand me :P
[01:51] <whyameye> I can't seem to get Wine to run anything...even notepad.exe.
[01:52] <thr1ce> haha
[01:52] <paxmaster> do u know how wine works
[01:52] <dr_willis> wine /path/to/notepad.exe
[01:53] <thr1ce> i haven't used wine in awhile; wine notepad.exe from notepad's pwd doesn't work?
[01:53] <^thehatsrule^> just type in wine to see the options
[01:53] <whyameye> paxmaster: I get the concept. But assume I know thing.
[01:53] <whyameye> dr_willis: yes that's what I did. It starts up, then crashes when I go to the menus
[01:53] <qko> hello
[01:53] <geneo93> whyameye:  open terminal and type wine notepad
[01:53] <qko> do you know a program who plays subtitles?
[01:53] <whyameye> geneo93: yes I can get it run, but it crashes when I try to do anything
[01:54] <whyameye> thr1ce: what's a pwd? I copied notepad.exe from my WinXPSP2 machine and tried to run it from the CDROM
[01:54] <thr1ce> present working directory
[01:54] <thr1ce> or...print working directory
[01:55] <thr1ce> go into the DIR that contains notepad, and run wine notepad.exe
[01:55] <pjw> _hp_: i am asking, because i afraid that Ubuntu will be same as Mandrake, Fedora Core etc. too many superfluous packages in distribution.
[01:55] <dockane> has anybody managed to get giftd / apollon working ?
[01:55] <darkaudit> dockane: what seems to be the trouble?
[01:55] <pjw> _hp_: in default configuration
[01:56] <b-rad|laptop> evenin all
[01:56] <crimsun> pjw: keep in mind that even as the distro expands, the goal is to keep everything installable on one 650 MB iso
[01:56] <yonil> Q: is there an application that can set an alarm clock, and play a mp3 file at certain time ?
[01:56] <whyameye> thr1ce: right. I can get it to run. As soon as I try to choose something from the menus, it crashes.
[01:56] <dockane> darkaudit, i get no connection
[01:57] <geneo93> crimsun:  700mb i think
[01:57] <b-rad|laptop> I've got a quick issue.  Is there a way to search for packages to by version?  Somehow I managed to install a woody deb file and now gnome doesn't start
[01:57] <darkaudit> dockane: I assume you've already run gift-setup, and set your firewall for the proper ports?
[01:57] <raj> hello?
[01:57] <jorgp> does ubuntu have packages like mplayer available?
[01:57] <crimsun> geneo93: 650.
[01:58] <thr1ce> of course jorgp
[01:58] <othernoob> jorgp: yes
[01:58] <crimsun> geneo93: not all cdroms can handle 700.
[01:58] <raj> i tried to install a dual-boot, but now WinXP won't boot
[01:58] <darkaudit> jorgp: in universe
[01:58] <raj> really need some help here
[01:58] <darkaudit> raj: and that's a bad thing? ;)
[01:58] <raj> yes
[01:58] <dockane> darkaudit, there is no firewall currently running. gift-setup was no my way but "sh apollon-installer-0.7.run
[01:58] <raj> does anyone know how I can get winxp to boot
[01:58] <geneo93> crimsun:  i dont know if you can even buy them anymore
[01:59] <whyameye> BTW, with my Wine error, I get the following. I have gotten this from XEmacs too: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[01:59] <whyameye> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[01:59] <nickrud> raj, it's pretty simple
[01:59] <raj> ok, how?
[01:59] <crimsun> geneo93: one can, but even if they are rare, one can't assume things will work
[01:59] <nickrud> title           Windows 95/98/Me
[01:59] <nickrud> root            (hd0,0)
[01:59] <nickrud> savedefault
[01:59] <nickrud> chainloader     +1
[01:59] <nickrud> add those four lines to the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:59] <darkaudit> dockane: so you have the plugins enabled, and their respective directories & config files in ~/.giFT?
[01:59] <nickrud> ignore the 95 stuff, it will work with xp
[02:00] <b-rad|laptop> or better yet, is there a way I can re-install gnome without killing the rest of my installation
[02:00] <mypapit> finished with my ubuntu
[02:00] <mypapit> now i'm trying out tkpuki
[02:00] <dockane> darkaudit, imho this was made by the above mentioned commando
[02:00] <nickrud> raj, assuming your windows is installed on ide0 master, first partition
[02:00] <raj> yes
[02:01] <Xgates> hey all
[02:01] <dockane> darkaudit, "apollon-installer-0.7.run"
[02:01] <nickrud> raj, when you reboot, scroll down through the grub menu and select the last entry
[02:01] <Xgates> say Im trying to play a mp3 with Rythmbox, and says there is no plugin to handle a mp3
[02:01] <othernoob> raj: the title part just means what will be displayed by grub, you can change it to Win XP
[02:01] <darkaudit> dockane: their script sometimes fails to set up the FastTrack or Gnutella directories inside ~/.giFT. If they're not there, Apollon won't run if you try to use those plugins. Create those directories, and it'll run.
[02:01] <crimsun> Xgates: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:02] <thr1ce> Xgates, you need gstreamer-0.8-sad
[02:02] <Xgates> crimsun: what?
[02:02] <raj> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[02:02] <raj> root		(hd0,0)
[02:02] <raj> savedefault
[02:02] <raj> makeactive
[02:02] <raj> chainloader	+1
[02:02] <crimsun> Xgates: (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats)
[02:02] <raj> that is what it says now
[02:02] <geneo93>  maybe its not there anymore
[02:02] <Xgates> ahh
[02:02] <raj> at the very bottom
[02:02] <thr1ce> Xgates, switching from slack?
[02:02] <nickrud> raj, go and boot the evil one :)
[02:02] <raj> it won't
[02:02] <raj> ok
[02:02] <darkaudit> dockane: and the directories are typed just like that: FastTrack, and Gnutella
[02:02] <raj> i'll try
[02:02] <othernoob> nickrud: doesnt it need safedefault and makeactive too ?
[02:02] <r0d> how do make root be able to login?
[02:02] <apsuva> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[02:02] <apsuva> kernel?
[02:03] <geneo93> nick its gone
[02:03] <dockane> darkaudit, http://pastebin.com/287690
[02:03] <crimsun> apsuva: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[02:03] <nickrud> eh, it's a direct paste of what I use
[02:03] <mirak> so there is absolutely no update on hoary ?
[02:03] <crimsun> apsuva: implying that you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:03] <pjw> crimsun: Are developers going to mix kde applications with gnome applications in the future? IMO, it will be a howler.
[02:03] <mirak> it's totaly freezed ?
[02:03] <geneo93> no more windows
[02:03] <darkaudit> dockane: that's what it should look like
[02:03] <mirak> and we must wait with bugs
[02:03] <othernoob> nickrud: forget what i just said, i didnt see those two lines
[02:03] <mirak> fixes
[02:03] <mirak> ?
[02:04] <crimsun> pjw: Ubuntu is a gnome-centric project; Kubuntu is the community-based KDE-oriented project using Ubuntu as its base
[02:04] <Xgates> crimsun: ok I installed the gstreamer plugins :-)
[02:04] <Anubis> how manyhere use Limewire instead of GTK-Gnutella and why?
[02:04] <Xgates> thr1ce: at this point I believe so, just dont have to time for all the compiling anymore
[02:04] <nickrud> mldonkey
[02:04] <Xgates> have to/the ...
[02:04] <thr1ce> Xgates, haha, same
[02:04] <darkaudit> dockane: word from #apollon and #giFT is to allow up to 15 minutes to connect to the network...
[02:04] <thr1ce> Xgates, this runs alot quicker than my slack...nice config, very lean install, awesoem package management
[02:05] <thr1ce> and easily the best out of the box install i've ever encountered
[02:05] <Xgates> thr1ce: I bit of a pain in the beginning to recompile the kernel and kill all the serivces and tweak it up but I got it
[02:05] <pjw> developers should write some declaration :P Users will be more confident.
[02:05] <Xgates> thr1ce: then compile the alsa-drivers and set it up that way because I'm using a Audigy LS
[02:05] <thr1ce> Xgates, yeah, i'm yet to get a new kernel
[02:05] <crimsun> mirak: major bug fix updates
[02:06] <thr1ce> Xgates, which rd contains the servies btw?  is it 2?
[02:06] <nickrud> Just so that the three important wiki pages, RootSudo, RestrictedFormats, and BinaryDrivers are plastered all over that declaration:)
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: I have a stock config you can look at to get you started on a K7 that is tiny with the cramfs installed if your going to use initrd
[02:06] <crimsun> /etc/init.d/  contains the initscripts
[02:06] <crimsun> they are symlinked into /etc/rc$i.d/
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: install ---> apt-get rcconf
[02:06] <thr1ce> aah, ok
[02:06] <Xgates> thr1ce: run rcconf
[02:07] <skel_home> is there a way to get restricted modules for the 2.6.11 kernel?
[02:07] <dockane> darkaudit, dont mind. its working
[02:07] <darkaudit> dockane: cool :)
[02:07] <crimsun> skel_home: not if you're using 2.6.11 from universe. It's unsupported.
[02:07] <crimsun> skel_home: if you really want them, grab the source and compile them against linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:07] <skel_home> crimsun: so I'll basically need to wait until breezy is official for support?
[02:07] <thr1ce> so...can I just chmod -x stuff safely in /etc/init.d ?  like cupssys, fetchmail, etc. ?
[02:08] <skel_home> crimsun: ah ok
[02:08] <crimsun> thr1ce: sure
[02:08] <skel_home> crimsun: yeah I really just need nvidia support
[02:08] <Xgates> thr1ce: I still have hotplug in it, that one seems crazy if you kill it
[02:08] <Xgates> thr1ce: ---> http://www.patientswithouttime.com/2.6.10
[02:08] <thr1ce> Xgates, haha, i notcied that
[02:08] <thr1ce> Xgates, I think i've got a config lying around here somewhere
[02:08] <Xgates> BUT I ran --> chmod -x on it in /etc/init.d
[02:08] <Xgates> hehe
[02:09] <Xgates> keep it installed but dont run it
[02:09] <Xgates> lol
[02:09] <thr1ce> hotplug?
[02:09] <Xgates> yea
[02:09] <thr1ce> i'm just gonna -x soem stuff in init.d
[02:09] <asparagui> k.
[02:09] <Xgates> yea I did
[02:09] <asparagui> installed hoary 5.04 on an old dual g4 i had lying around.
[02:09] <crimsun> um, please don't do that unless you are intimately familiar with what your system requires :)
[02:09] <Xgates> thr1ce: seems that Ubuntu is looking for it at bootup from the kernel, but I killed it in /etc/init.d is all
[02:10] <thr1ce> crimsun, i was a slack user remember...I know my system quite well :)
[02:10] <nickrud> Xgates, just what did you disable?
[02:10] <nickrud> curiosity only
[02:10] <Xgates> one sec
[02:10] <crimsun> thr1ce: your _slack_ system, yes.
[02:10] <thr1ce> crimsun, well, I'm only doing things I won't be using, like cups, fetchmail, etc.
[02:10] <asparagui> boots, screen goes black after starting psbuttonsomething, gives a nifty little drum sound and sits there.
[02:11] <nickrud> oh, 2.6.11
[02:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: sure. Just don't run off and -x dbus or hotplug, or there will be much pain.
[02:11] <cusco> hi
[02:11] <asparagui> is there any way to enable ssh or something so i can troubleshoot from another computer?
[02:11] <thr1ce> crimsun, haha, yes, that would hurt
[02:11] <crimsun> asparagui: install openssh-server
[02:11] <cusco> how can I check for how long is my internet connection active?
[02:11] <cusco> is there a way?
[02:11] <bigbill52a> how do i startup in runlevel 3 rather than 5?
[02:11] <pjw> Are all packages from i386 available for amd64?
[02:11] <Xgates> nickrud: this is all thats running on my box ---> http://www.patientswithouttime.com/Screenshot.png
[02:11] <nickrud> Xgates, thank you
[02:11] <crimsun> bigbill52a: Ubuntu, like Debian, uses 2.
[02:12] <crimsun> bigbill52a: there are no runlevel games as there are in other distros
[02:12] <Xgates> thr1ce: I have Gnome running at 176mb at startup, I'd like to get that lower but might not get much lower
[02:12] <Xgates> hehe
[02:12] <Xgates> HELL usb running took 50mb I couldnt believe that
[02:12] <bigbill52a> i would like to startup in text mode and then type gdm to start xwindows...
[02:12] <nickrud> Xgates, are you using the old .dev, instead of udev's /dev
[02:13] <thr1ce> Xgates, that's not bad at all
[02:13] <crimsun> bigbill52a: there are hints on the wiki for disabling the display manager(s)
[02:13] <Xgates> no Im using udev
[02:13] <bigbill52a> thanks
[02:13] <Xgates> thr1ce: you know how to compile the nvidia kernel when you compile a kernel?
[02:14] <thr1ce> Xgates, i've got an ati card
[02:14] <Xgates> thr1ce: ahh
[02:14] <asparagui> how do i get to a shell?
[02:14] <Xgates> OH man get a NVIDIA
[02:14] <Xgates> hehe
[02:14] <Xgates> Im going to order here maybe today a 6800 GT
[02:14] <Xgates> :-)
[02:14] <thr1ce> well, i only game on my win2k pro install
[02:14] <Xgates> asparagui: Applications -- System Tools, Terminal
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set up a module from a source package after running apt-get source package_name ???
[02:15] <thr1ce> only et in linux, which works awesome anyways
[02:15] <asparagui> hehe.
[02:15] <latis> when Im about to install cedega it complains that I dont have libpng3
[02:15] <Xgates> thr1ce: no way AA rocks in Linux
[02:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: eh?
[02:15] <asparagui> the sys is dying while booting.
[02:15] <latis> but I can only install libpng3-dev and Its done
[02:15] <latis> what can be wrong?
[02:15] <thr1ce> Xgates, i tried it once, never got through the training, and quit
[02:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: a kernel module or a non-kernel module package?
[02:15] <Xgates> thr1ce: LOL dude do the training the MAPS are killer the game is awesome
[02:15] <Xgates> :-)
[02:15] <jorgp> how long does shipping of the cd's usually take?
[02:16] <nickrud> Xgates, ah, no changes to rcS.d, then
[02:16] <thr1ce> it's worth it?
[02:16] <dr_willis> I suck  at AA  - i keep dieing in the paratrooper drop.
[02:16] <dr_willis> :P
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: just enable universe and install it
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: the real package is libpng12-0
[02:16] <thr1ce> dr_willis, wait until the very last second to pull
[02:16] <thr1ce> Xgates, what else did you kill off in init?
[02:16] <crimsun> latis: libpng3 is not installed by default, because it's a dummy package
[02:16] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  pull out at the last second?  Oh wait...   wrong channel.. :P
[02:17] <thr1ce> hehe
[02:17] <Xgates> nickrud: no I just killed them in /etc/init.d then patched it so they dont complain when booting
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun  i really have no clue.  how do i find out?
[02:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: what's the package name?
[02:17] <nickrud> heh, I'll run debian normal, thank you :)
[02:17] <Xgates> nickrud:   wget http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rc.diff
[02:17] <Xgates>     wget http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rcS.diff
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i'm trying to get jackd set up and useful.  the page suggests using this module.
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg-source: extracting realtime-lsm in realtime-lsm-0.1.1
[02:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: realtime-lsm ?
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup
[02:18] <crimsun> that's not vital, but yes, you could certainly use it.
[02:18] <Xgates> if you dont patch it then THOSE scripts in /etc/init.c will complain that it cant start or stop in the console when shutting down or booting up
[02:18] <Xgates> init.d
[02:18] <Xgates> errrr
[02:18] <bigbill52a> could i have a bigger hint in wiki where i could find it...lol
[02:18] <crimsun> jackd works fine without realtime-lsm
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> apparently it works a lot better with it.
[02:18] <crimsun> on a dedicated system, yes
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> am i wrong?  that's what the jackd page says.
[02:19] <nickrud> Xgates, I do get your drift, i
[02:19] <crimsun> kinda worthless if you want to play games and such, too, on the same system
[02:19] <nickrud> it's just more work than I want to do, these days
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER>  JACK requires real-time scheduling privileges for reliable, dropout-free operation. The server requests these privileges when running with the -R option. The standard  Linux 2.4 kernel  does not adequately support this, but can be modified to work very well. Unmodified  2.6 kernels  work much better, but still require special configuration.
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun was that addressed to me?
[02:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yes
[02:19] <nickrud> however, I have a feeling I may be using your work down the pike :)
[02:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> how will running that module hurt game performance?
[02:20] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: other way around
[02:20] <bigbill52a> i can not use kubuntu or xfce because the xserver will crash leaving me with a screen filled with blinking grey boxes...the keyboard also crashes and i have to shut down the system manually
[02:20] <thr1ce> bbiab
[02:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i won't be playing games while i'm using audio recording apps
[02:20] <asparagui> think i figured it out...remembered that it has a wierd video card.
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: a good audio workstation should have no extraneous hardware installed (which implies no extraneous drivers loaded)
[02:21] <danc3> what's the latest version of ubuntu?
[02:21] <asparagui> plugged in a different monitor...works now.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun isn't that kind of taking it to the extreme?
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: in other words, no binary-only graphics drivers, etc.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i used to record in windows.  i think any setup in linux is a step up.
[02:21] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, all those irs add up.
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> hrhm
[02:22] <Xgates> thr1ce: I killed --> anacron, apmd  , atd, bootclean.sh, cron, cupsys, evms, fetchmail, gdm, inetd, lvm, mdadm, mdadm-raid, ntpdate, postfix, powernowd,  ppp, ppp-dns, rsync  :-)
[02:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i need to be able to use this computer for everything.
[02:22] <crimsun> go for it then.
[02:22] <r0d> how do i login as root from gnome?
[02:22] <Xgates> thr1ce: I'm going to redo the kernel and see if I can past this hotplug personally I dont need it
[02:22] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: btw, you want realtime-lsm-source
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's what i got
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> but then how do i compile it?
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> just with ./configure and checkinstall, or is there an apt-get method?
[02:23] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> obviously i don't care about sharing packages with others.
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.  i need those?
[02:23] <crimsun> yes
[02:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh right..of course, because it's a module.
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll get 'em
[02:24] <bigbill52a> gdmsetup will allow you to login as root
[02:24] <anto9us> r0d: System | Administration | Login Screen Setup, the Security Tab | Allow root to login with GDM
[02:24] <epl> www.google.com
[02:24] <epl> sorry
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay crimsun , it's installed.
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> now what?
[02:26] <geneo93> dont cry when your system is unuseable
[02:26] <dr_willis> ;)
[02:26] <tnlaw2> hello people
[02:26] <geneo93> ./configure
[02:27] <nickrud> backups, rollbacks, all that stuff if for losers :)
[02:27] <RedNeck_> Hello Ubuntu uers
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93 me?
[02:27] <r0d> anto9us, i try that, and the program doesnt run
[02:27] <tnlaw2> to all users:   please consider joining my new site (free) for bit torrent sharing
[02:27] <geneo93> yes BROKEN_LADDER
[02:27] <tnlaw2> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:27] <tnlaw2> 2-cold torrents
[02:27] <tnlaw2> based in Houston TX
[02:28] <cliebow_> id the download site flky?
[02:28] <anto9us> r0d: if you mistype the root password there's no warning that you've mistyped it
[02:28] <pjw> In Poland is 2:30 AM yet. So, i am going to bed :P good night and dream :) bye bye
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was in houston over christmas.  it was cold as hell.
[02:28] <RedNeck_> Does the Ubuntu Wiki includes any info on how to use kickstar in Ubuntu Linux?
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93 why would it make my system unusable?
[02:28] <r0d> i can su into root, just cant do anything in the gui really
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it only affects apps under the group audio
[02:29] <r0d> or login
[02:29] <cliebow_> is the download site flaky..or is it my 'chine
[02:29] <tnlaw2> 2-cold torrents currently has over 1000 members who are seeders/uploaders, etc and am seeking new members daily
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> tnlaw2 enough advertising.
[02:29] <tnlaw2> Star Wars 3 now on 2 cold site for d/l
[02:29] <geneo93> well it can break the kernel
[02:29] <anto9us> r0d: actually, you can start gui programs as root, nautilus etc.
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> SW3 is so good.
[02:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: make sure you read the readme(s) in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source
[02:29] <nickrud> tnlaw2, legal or not? that's the only question we have on this channel
[02:29] <tnlaw2> ok broken ladder
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> tnlaw2 do you have it in ogg theora?
[02:29] <tnlaw2> yes broken
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun when you install source packages, do you just compile them as you would regular source, or is there an apt-get method?
[02:30] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's pretty much as simple as untarring it and passing the correct parameters to debian/rules
[02:30] <tnlaw2> yes legal
[02:30] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: there's debian infrastructure for it. Read the readme
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> debian rules?
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh what have i gotten myself into?
[02:30] <crimsun> just read the directions.
[02:30] <crimsun> it's very straightforward
[02:30] <nickrud> BROKEN_LADDER, lol, you have just become a potential maintainer :)
[02:31] <Xgates> time 2:36
[02:31] <Xgates> lets see how long this goes
[02:31] <Xgates> since its tiny should be around 5 misn
[02:31] <Xgates> mins
[02:31] <Xgates> :-)
[02:32] <grateful> i'm having problems with Netgear FA311
[02:32] <grateful> i've got it plugged right into my cable modem
[02:32] <grateful> but i can't get it to connect to the dhcp
[02:33] <Xgates> thr1ce: getting quiet there DEEP into HaXoring the box up?
[02:33] <Xgates> lol
[02:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i can't read the directions because i don't know where apt-get put my source..
[02:33] <r0d> anto9us, how would I run login screen setup as not root?
[02:33] <sysrq> grateful: and what does that have to do with ubuntu
[02:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/src
[02:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the directions are in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source/
[02:33] <grateful> wondering if maybe ubuntu lacks netgear drives
[02:34] <geneo93> hehe
[02:34] <crimsun> grateful: what model FA311?
[02:34] <crimsun> (it does support FA311s)
[02:34] <cusco> hi... how do you add the /dev/hd1 windows partition to automount it self.. how do you put that into /etc/fstab
[02:34] <cusco> please=
[02:34] <Hackmo> back
[02:34] <crimsun> cusco: what type of windows partition?
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in /usr/source.
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> that was the first place i guessed it might be..
[02:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/src, you mean?
[02:35] <grateful> ETGEAR FA311 Fast Ethernet Adapter
[02:35] <bigbill52a> sudo mkdir /media/c
[02:35] <anto9us> r0d: I don't think you do, it requires root privilage as it's a system administration task
[02:35] <crimsun> grateful: no, I need the line from lspci -v
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun er..yeah
[02:35] <grateful> in windows right now
[02:35] <grateful> brb
[02:35] <grateful> gotta boot into ubuntu
[02:35] <RedNeck_> How can I make a ghost image of my Ubuntu installation on a CD?
[02:36] <bigbill52a> sudo /mount -t vfat (or ntfs) /dev/hda1 /media/c
[02:36] <bigbill52a> sudo mount -t vfat (or ntfs) /dev/hda1 /media/c
[02:36] <dr_willis> RedNeck_,  may want to check out "mondo/mindi" its designed to backup systems to cd/dvd disks or servers..
[02:36] <bigbill52a> in fstab
[02:36] <cusco> crimsun: ntfs
[02:36] <dr_willis> not sure what other archiveing tools are out that can do that.
[02:36] <tga> RedNeck_: check out http://rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de/~feyrer/g4u/
[02:36] <Xgates> WoOt compile time 5mins NOW that my boys is why ya make a small kernel for one thing in case you need to recompile you dont sit there for a hour compiling every module under the sun
[02:37] <Xgates> LMAO
[02:37] <Xgates> :-)
[02:37] <bigbill52a> fstab----
[02:37] <tga> Xgates: that's why you use a canned kernel and don't bother with recompiling
[02:37] <RedNeck_> dr_willis where can I find mondo/mindi?
[02:37] <r0d> anto9us, thats messed up. I cant log in as root or use any gui programs because they require root. i would sudo them, but i cant
[02:38] <dr_willis> RedNeck_,  if its not in the repositories.. time to check their homepage.
[02:38] <cliebow_> RedNeck_: I'd suppose ther is  dd for that if you can boot from floppy
[02:38] <cliebow_> or a live cd
[02:38] <bigbill52a> /dev/hda1	/media/i	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0
[02:38] <anto9us> r0d: can you su from a terminal window?
[02:38] <bigbill52a> /dev/hda1	/media/c	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0
[02:38] <r0d> anto9us, yea
[02:39] <anto9us> do that and type gdmsetup
[02:39] <bigbill52a> you can only read ntfs
[02:39] <Xgates> tga: bah to many Windows noobs wanting to run Linux nowadays, real TUX users compile their own :-)
[02:39] <tga> r0d: did you delete yourself from /etc/sudoers or something?
[02:39] <Hackmo> Anyone know how to turn on surround sound support in Ubuntu?
[02:39] <bigbill52a> but you can copy files to your /home/bill or whatever
[02:39] <tga> Xgates: www.gentoo.org, have fun
[02:39] <r0d> tga nope
[02:40] <r0d> anto9us, when i do that, i get a gtk warning: cannot display
[02:40] <count0nz> gentoo rocks but i prefer U
[02:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: please see the readme in /usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm-source
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun that will really help me with finding the source huh?
[02:40] <ys76> r0d, Try 'xhost +' before su
[02:41] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the src tarball is in /usr/src
[02:41] <nickrud> Xgates, heh, rock on, I want to use your work a few years from now
[02:41] <tga> r0d: I can't start anything as root either, but `sudo foo` works
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no docs for it.
[02:41] <crimsun> ys76: don't suggest xhost, please. Use xauth.
[02:41] <r0d> tga, says unable to open display
[02:41] <Xgates> tga: hehe no thanks been there done that Slackware is much better, but now that I have stripped down Ubuntu and compiled it up and killed alot of stuff it runs nicer :-)
[02:41] <dr_willis> i use 'sux'  when suing to root to run apps. :P
[02:41] <Xgates> nickrud: :-)
[02:41] <dr_willis> not sure what all it does however. Lol
[02:41] <Xgates> ok NEW kernel coming up ---> linux-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[02:41] <Xgates> I think I'll have to make the L33t Kernels for users
[02:42] <Xgates> :-O
[02:42] <Xgates> hehe
[02:42] <Xgates> brb
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Slackware has terrible package management.
[02:42] <anto9us> r0d: you're running from a terminal within gnome?
[02:42] <r0d> anto9us, yep
[02:42] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: are you _positive_ you can't find those files?
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> absolutely.
[02:43] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=realtime-lsm-source&version=hoary&arch=all
[02:43] <apollo2011> How do I resize NTFS during installation of kubuntu 5.04?  I see it has ntfsresize integrated, and when I click on the size, it says it will write the data to the disk but never asks for a size...is this info gathered after the data is written?
[02:43] <bigbill52a> once you log in as root rod..you can change your /etc/sudoers file and add your user name...copy exactly as root above ti
[02:43] <bigbill52a> it
[02:43] <asparagui> well, figured it out.
[02:43] <asparagui> bug in the display driver.
[02:44] <loren> what's the difference between ReiserFS and Ext3
[02:44] <coorey> Hi. I'm currently using Windows Xp Professional but I'm looking to switch to Linux. Do you all think that Ubunto would be a great distribution to start off with?
[02:44] <r0d> i think im gonna just gonna give my normal user root privilege with usermod......so unsafe......
[02:44] <crimsun> loren: different implementations of journaling filesystems
[02:44] <tga> coorey: it should be alright
[02:44] <coorey> I mean "Ubuntu"
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun it's there now.  i had to do apt-get install instead of apt-get source
[02:44] <coorey> Thanks tga
[02:44] <loren> crimsun: does it in any way affect the folder structure of linux?
[02:44] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, I said as much before
[02:44] <coorey> Is it easy to install?
[02:45] <cliebow_> coorey: ubuntu is pretty cool..We at ltsp are dabbling heavily in it
[02:45] <count0nz> :)
[02:45] <crimsun> loren: not to the non-kernel hacker
[02:45] <tga> coorey: the installer is not as fancy/pretty as other distros, but it's fairly easy
[02:45] <loren> crimsun: thanks :(
[02:45] <count0nz> ltsp rocks :)
[02:45] <crimsun> loren: the internal implementation is hidden; you should not concern yourself with it
[02:46] <RedNeck_> Is it possible to accces repositoies using firefox to download a single package?
[02:46] <cliebow_> coorey: very easy..and if you resize your windows side you can do double boot
[02:46] <cliebow_> and at least read your windows files
[02:46] <loren> crimsun: i know i was just curious about it that's all ;)
[02:46] <crimsun> RedNeck_: sure.
[02:46] <crimsun> RedNeck_: if it's an official package, look on packages.ubuntu.com -> CC.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <coorey> when I use mac os x panther it is really stable, will ubuntu be as stable? this windows is killing me because i get so many kernel errors and/or blue screens from too much stress on the pc.
[02:46] <tga> coorey: you could try the Ubuntu live cd just to get a feel for it without having to write anything on your disk
[02:47] <coorey> cliebow_: thanks i already have 10gb set aside for another os boot
[02:47] <cliebow_> countOnz: yeah..i just got the Macintosh clients to use it too
[02:47] <crimsun> coorey: hopefully. It's difficult to say whether it'll be stable for your system if you say, yank the power cord every 10 minutes.
[02:47] <coorey> tga: i didn't even think about that. thanks i think i will do that first
[02:47] <tga> coorey: you're set then, nothing to lose but time :)
[02:47] <count0nz> :) wicked :)
[02:47] <RedNeck_> crimsun thanks
[02:47] <crimsun> np
[02:47] <coorey> tga: yeah i am downloading the install/live dvd right now, so i guess i just have to wait until it finishes
[02:48] <elmaya> i got an error when trying to compile pekwm any1 has installed it succesfully?
[02:48] <asparagui> no support for my particular video card.  so i'm sol.
[02:48] <asparagui> thanks for the help.
[02:48] <crimsun> asparagui: which card?
[02:48] <grateful> crimsun what command was i suppose to type again?
[02:48] <asparagui> geforce3, oddball mac thing.
[02:49] <crimsun> asparagui: not even 'nv' works?
[02:49] <cliebow_> coorey: it will be pretty foreign at first..In a week you'd have a hard time living without it
[02:49] <daniels> asparagui: should work alright ... what happened?
[02:49] <crimsun> grateful: (don't paste here) lspci -v
[02:49] <asparagui> cris: this is an old mac.  it uses a special display that the video card has to provide power for.
[02:49] <asparagui> and support for that ain't in there.
[02:49] <daniels> hrm
[02:50] <dr_willis> eww wht mac is that?
[02:50] <asparagui> old dual g4.
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun lol, the docs say modula-assistant build realtime-lsm
[02:50] <dr_willis> ewww... :P lol
[02:50] <dr_willis> I got an imacDV
[02:50] <coorey> cliebow_: if that ends up being the case i will resize my windows partitiong down to 200 gbs and resize the ubuntu up to 100gb rather than just the 10gb that i am going to start it out with. that way i can start using it as my main os. it looks like a very fancy os on their homepage
[02:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that's probably the easiest way
[02:50] <daniels> asparagui: it still should work -- have you tried it?
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis congrats.  you just paid too much for hardware.
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun you didn't notice the typo.
[02:50] <asparagui> daniels: it runs, if i plug a vga monitor in.
[02:50] <dr_willis> i just cant  adjust the build in monitor with linux.. silly thing is off a about 2 chars :)
[02:50] <Hackmo> Can anyone help me with my webcam problem?
[02:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: 'a'
[02:51] <count0nz> LOL
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah
[02:51] <tga> coorey: the system partition for ubuntu will not take more than 10GB
[02:51] <count0nz> Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. I know which one I'll trust. How about you?
[02:51] <asparagui> but i gotta give that monitor back.
[02:51] <crimsun> everyone loves modula programming languages, anyhow.
[02:51] <count0nz> :)
[02:51] <Hackmo> When I try to use it I get the error that it is already in use but it isn't, although the red light that usually comes on when it is in use has been on since boot up
[02:51] <coorey> tga: awww. . . thats bad news. do other distros do that as well or is ubuntu working on that now.
[02:51] <apollo2011> Does Ubuntu have support for NTFS Resizig or not?
[02:51] <apollo2011> During Installation
[02:51] <asparagui> it's all right, i'll put tiger on it.
[02:51] <asparagui> just wanted to play around.
[02:52] <coorey> apollo2011: great question. . .
[02:52] <tga> coorey: no, I mean it doesn't _need_ more than 5GBish, it doesn't grow by itself like the windows dir
[02:52] <daniels> asparagui: sure.  that might be another issue, though, rather than support being completely missing (bearing in mind that I ran it on one of those displays in a dual G4 1GHz for about a year and a half).
[02:52] <count0nz> ???? what ? 10Gig ?
[02:52] <apollo2011> ...
[02:52] <tga> what !!
[02:52] <apollo2011> coorey: does that meann you know the answer or...
[02:52] <count0nz> /dev/hda1              36G   31G  2.9G  92% /
[02:52] <count0nz> what do you mean 10Gig ?
[02:52] <nickrud> coorey, what tasks do you do, that will help you evalutate the tools ubuntu provides
[02:52] <coorey> apollo2011: no, i would like to know the answer as well. sorry.
[02:53] <tga> apollo2011: parted can resize ntfs, you could use qtparted from a livecd or something
[02:53] <Xgates> will killing hotplug in the kernel and /etc/init.d I get this:
[02:53] <Xgates> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[02:53] <Xgates> /sbin/init : 428: Cannot open Dev/Console: No such File
[02:53] <Xgates> Kernel Panic: Attempted to Kill Init
[02:53] <Xgates> whats with all that?
[02:53] <Xgates> hmm
[02:53] <tga> apollo2011: not sure if the install cd includes parted
[02:53] <Xgates> will killing/well .......
[02:53] <nickrud> Xgates, welcome to .dev and /dev :)
[02:53] <tga> count0nz: you mean that is all ubuntu, with no files of your own?
[02:53] <coorey> nickrud: i normally use adobe cs2 for graphics (computer/graphics major) and basic chat programs.
[02:53] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root
[02:53] <tga>                       9.0G  2.1G  6.9G  24% /
[02:54] <apollo2011> coorey: amu on the kubuntu channel says it doesn't support resizing, but the ntfsresize site and the ubuntu wiki says that support for non-destructive ntfs resizing was added in 5.04
[02:54] <Xgates> nickrud: hehe yeah what I figure, but not sure how much of an issue it would be
[02:54] <count0nz> tga, ohhhhhh lol ok a Base install yes is like 4-6Gig max agree
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun which file am i actually going to put in the ../modules/ directory?
[02:54] <count0nz> Thats inludeing kde :)
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun unzip the bz2 and put that directory in there?
[02:54] <Xgates> static devices seemed to always work fine for me in the past and I have only see problems with /udev
[02:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: none. You untar the tarball from /usr/src
[02:55] <nickrud> coorey, gimp is the only thing linux has to offer for graphics, and, for pros, I hear it's not the best, but, run ubuntu anyway :)
[02:55] <coorey> apollo2011: i am going to see if i can do it when i install ubuntu in about an hour
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun and ./configure and checkinstall?
[02:55] <apollo2011> coorey: Jet2k5 on kubuntu says you go into the manual partitioning and highlight the size of the partition and hit backspace...
[02:55] <RedNeck_> How do I install mondo/mindi (sudo apt-get install mondo/mindi)?
[02:55] <count0nz> what did thay do to gnome ... make it flash subliminal messages "you will like gnome..."
[02:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, use module-assistant
[02:56] <apollo2011> coorey don't know if he is actually sure on that or not...
[02:56] <anto9us> coorey: check out inkscape for vector graphic work
[02:56] <nickrud> Xgates, that error is exaclty when I started using prebuild kernels entirely, so, YMMV
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun nm i'm an idiot.
[02:56] <coorey> nickrud: we have a few graphics programs here at my university that were engineered for unix and linux based systems. . . so i would like to get my feet wet and learn how to make graphics on all the major os's. i already have learned for mac and windows. all thats left is linux.
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo module-assistant build realtime-lsm / Target package file /usr/src/realtime-lsm-module-2.6.10-5-686_0.1.1-5+2.6.10-34_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding!
[02:57] <nickrud> coorey, then you have not a thing to loose, except some time
[02:57] <coorey> nickrud: so i will just have the profs here install the programs on my linux os for me. yeah the time is in the wait for the dvd to finish downloading
[02:57] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: so now install that deb
[02:57] <coorey> anto9us: thanks. . . you know a site, or should i hust google it
[02:57] <nickrud> coorey, then ubuntu will be about as stable a platform as you could ask for.
[02:58] <RedNeck_> How do I install mondo/mindi (sudo apt-get install mondo/mindi)?
[02:58] <BROKEN_LADDER>  realtime-lsm-module-2.6.10-5-686 depends on realtime-lsm; however:  Package realtime-lsm is not installed.
[02:58] <coorey> apollo2011: i hope he is right, but i hope i don't make a mistake and erase my windows partitions, i have many v.i.p. files on their that i would like to move over
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> done.
[02:59] <coorey> nickrud: thanks for the helpful info
[02:59] <Xgates> nickrud: no worries I'll rip out udev and see how it goes I dont really need it
[02:59] <anto9us> coorey: it's in the ubuntu repositories for install, for info look at http://www.inkscape.org/
[02:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: now configure it.
[02:59] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows   shows how to mount windows partitions
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks crimsun.  once that's installed, am i good, or do i have to edit modules.conf or whatever it is called in ubuntu?
[02:59] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a webcam on Ubuntu?
[02:59] <coorey> anto9us: thanks
[02:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> ay ay ay
[02:59] <nickrud> coorey, most things you will want will be in the ubuntu repositories, including inkscape.
[02:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you do have to configure it (which group, etc.)
[03:00] <nickrud> I'm a bit biased, so load it up, and do your own eval.
[03:00] <coorey> nickrud: this Ubuntu is looking very promising and I haven't even installed it yet. I can't wait for the download to finish so I can burn it and learn it.
[03:00] <thr1ce> coorey, yeah, it's the best out the box linux os I have found
[03:00] <thr1ce> very lean, stable, quick
[03:00] <nickrud> coorey, I've been running debian, the basis of ubuntu, and only loaded it as a dare. the darer won
[03:01] <thr1ce> how many CD's is the new debian going to be?
[03:01] <thr1ce> I heard a rediculous number
[03:01] <coorey> thr1ce: all the rest looked boring. the only other one that seemed to interest me was Novell SUSE v9.3 but I couldn't find the download links on their site for a full install of the pro version.
[03:02] <thr1ce> brb
[03:02] <geneo93> coorey:  its not free
[03:02] <coorey> thr1ce: it doesn't even have to be quick. . . just as long as i get less errors from too many processes as i do with windows
[03:02] <Hackmo> Anyone know how to get my phillips toucam pro 2 working in Ubuntu?
[03:02] <coorey> geneo93: i guess that answers my question about how to i download it
[03:03] <cliebow_> debian tends to be wicked quick..to the point
[03:03] <cliebow_> easy on memory
[03:03] <nickrud> coorey, as long as your machine is quick, with googlplexes of memory, it will do graphics better
[03:03] <nickrud> all other things being equal
[03:03] <geneo93> coorey:  9.3 personal will be soon though
[03:04] <cliebow_> i had ltsp on libraNET for a while..It worked very nicely for a whole school
[03:04] <coorey> nickrud: no prob their, when i entered the graphics major at my school, i switched over to an AMD64 FX with 3gb ddr. so thats not the prob, i just run a ton of graphics programs which always causes windows to go haywire. so i'm hoping linux will fix this problem
[03:05] <cliebow_> coorey: i just spenr rwo days cleaning spyware off xp machines..what a pain in the patoot
[03:05] <coorey> geneo93: will it be similar to ubuntu or will ubuntu still be better?
[03:05] <RedNeck_> How can I install the Ati drivers on my ubuntu box?
[03:05] <coorey> cliebow: yeah thats another bummer
[03:06] <crimsun> RedNeck_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:06] <coorey> cliebow: so much time and energy and processes are taken up by anti virus programs and spyware and adware programs just to keep your pc safe. its ashame that microsoft doesn't do something about that
[03:06] <nickrud> coorey, I hope it works for you.
[03:06] <cusco> hi
[03:06] <Curlydave> hey
[03:06] <Curlydave> can anyone here help wiht with some issues?>
[03:07] <cusco> from what repo can I install gwget?
[03:07] <nickrud> and he documents his experience, so I can leach :)
[03:07] <coorey> nickrud: yeah you all have got me excited about it. 32 minutes left on the download, and you will see me disconnect.
[03:07] <Curlydave> i keep getting errors involving my hostname, and it's because the install wrote my hosts file incorrectly, and I need to add my username to it
[03:07] <crimsun> grateful: did you paste that output to pastebin.com?
[03:07] <ahuman01> coorey, which gfx programs exactly
[03:08] <Curlydave> the problem is that I cannot edit it, becaseu I do not own it. People say use the terminal to edit it, but that gives me an error
[03:08] <Curlydave> sudo: unable to lookup amd64 via gethostbyname()
[03:08] <Curlydave> (gedit:8059): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:08] <othernoob> night :)
[03:08] <Curlydave> IO error occured opening connection.
[03:08] <Curlydave> ** (gedit:8059): CRITICAL **: gedit_cmd_edit_undo: assertion `active_view' failed
[03:09] <anto9us> Curlydave: you can su to root and vi /etc/hosts
[03:09] <Curlydave> hwo do i do that?
[03:09] <anto9us> Curlydave: read the man page for vi before you use it
[03:09] <Curlydave> where can i find vi?
[03:10] <bigbill52a> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[03:10] <jp_> ?
[03:10] <thr1ce> use pico, it'll be easier
[03:10] <bigbill52a> for ati drivers it worked for me
[03:10] <crimsun> (not pico but nano)
[03:10] <jp_> thr1ce do you like pico?
[03:10] <thr1ce> jp, personally I use vi, but pico is easier to use if you're new
[03:10] <geneo93> man vi
[03:10] <jp_> oh ok :)
[03:10] <Funraiser> wanna look at something funny, look at this a...h who tries to break in my system, trying all the ports he can find...http://imgnow.net/imgs/pirate2.png
[03:11] <thr1ce> http://www.slackbook.org/html/vi.html
[03:11] <coorey> ahuman: right now adboe photoshop cs2, imageready cs2, then on top of that I run PearPC (Mac OS X Tiger) with the same two programs to work on my graphics for both platforms without having to go back and forth between an actual mac and a pc. then vegas 6/sound forge for easy editing. having all these programs open and running different things at the same time kils my memory.
[03:11] <thr1ce> read that if you want to know how to use vi
[03:11] <thr1ce> the best tutorial I know iof
[03:12] <mirak> is there a /usr/share/doc browser ?
[03:12] <mirak> a documentation browser
[03:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun apparently the default config for debian is supposed to be fine.  now how do i run it?  do i have to modprobe it?
[03:12] <nickrud> coorey, if you've never head of vmware, you probably wanna look at it
[03:13] <mpm> also "vimtutor" as a command is a great way to learn (if that's what you were talking about)
[03:13] <cliebow_> any rreason the server side i cant get more than 70 meg of ubuntu iso downloaded
[03:13] <nickrud> coorey, assuming there's a x86 in the mix somewhere :)
[03:13] <Funraiser> [URL=http://imgnow.net/imgs/pirate2.png] Image[/URL]
[03:13] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yep
[03:14] <Hackmo> I'll send someone naked pictures of my girlfriend if they can please help me with my webcam problem
[03:14] <thr1ce> haha
[03:14] <Curlydave> k i'm back, checking out vi
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:14] <thr1ce> Hackmo, gaim -vv I think it is?
[03:14] <thr1ce> or gnome-meeting
[03:14] <nickrud> Hackmo, I helped you already, where's my picture :)
[03:14] <Funraiser> Hackmo, my webcam worked only with Gnomemeeting
[03:14] <thr1ce> use gnomemeeting
[03:15] <Funraiser> Hackmo, but it worked well
[03:15] <Hackmo> haha, all the replies I get with promisese of pictures
[03:15] <Funraiser> lol
[03:15] <geneo93> nickrud:  shes prolly fat
[03:15] <nickrud> lies, too
[03:15] <loren> bite me
[03:15] <Funraiser> i hope she's cute
[03:15] <Hackmo> i've tried with gnomemeeting but I keep getting the error that the camera is already in use
[03:15] <loren> como se llamas
[03:15] <Hackmo> i've tried other applications aswell with the same problem
[03:15] <Funraiser> what camera?
[03:16] <Hackmo> phillips toucam pro 2
[03:16] <coorey> nickrud: thanks. looking at their product site now, might be able to help me out at this point.
[03:16] <thr1ce> coorey, it will run linux over your windows, just as pearPC will with os x
[03:16] <IIIEars> ""sudo cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4_backup <<- "Cannot stat" "No such file or directory" - Does this command work with X running?""
[03:17] <nickrud> coorey, if you have the resourses ....
[03:17] <thr1ce> IIIEars, of course it will; are you sure you don't want /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:17] <Curlydave> hey sorry, what was the main page for VI again?
[03:17] <Curlydave> and vi will let me write to read-only files or change permissions?
[03:17] <mpm> main page or man page Curlydave?
[03:17] <Funraiser> Hackmo, anyway gnomemeeting is only for those who have gnomemeeting, so the webcam there is no very useful
[03:17] <Funraiser> not*
[03:17] <mpm> Curlydave: you have to either sudo vi or chmod before editing
[03:17] <IIIEars> (sheeepish grin.) erm.. No, not really. - lol - Should i edit Xorg?
[03:18] <Tezkah> nooooo not vi
[03:18] <Hackmo> Funraiser: yeah i'm only using gnomemeeting to test my webca
[03:18] <anto9us> Curlydave, the main thing you need is press i to enter insert mode, type your line, press esc to go back to command mode then type :x to save and exit
[03:18] <ahuman01> coorey, assuming your particular photoshop+other apps never use >3GB of memory (RAM + paging file), you can see great improvement by keeping a very small Windows page file
[03:18] <Hackmo> webcam*
[03:18] <Xgates> nickrud: ok off to see how we do with no udev installed :-)
[03:18] <Curlydave> so i would type "sudo gedit vi /etc/hosts"
[03:18] <mpm> Curlydave: sudo vi /etc/hosts
[03:18] <thr1ce> no
[03:18] <Hackmo> Anyone got any ideas?
[03:18] <thr1ce> sudo vi /etc/hosts
[03:18] <mpm> Curlydave: gedit and vi are separate editors
[03:18] <thr1ce> or sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[03:19] <Curlydave> ohh ok i'll try that
[03:19] <Curlydave> i'll give that a shot, thanks
[03:19] <coorey> nickrud: seeing that my pc already crashes from too much resources being pulled, don't know if it will support one more virtual window being opened. i can only add one more stick of ram into the pc because it only supports 4gb. maybe its time to move up to windows 2003 server so my pc will support more than 1gb sticks in each slot.
[03:19] <Curlydave> lemme boot up linux, i'll come back and let you know if it worked!
[03:19] <mpm> Curlydave: gedit is more newbie-friendly, but vi/vim are more powerful in the long run if you learn it
[03:19] <Funraiser> ok now the link works, look at this guys trying to hack my pc http://img273.echo.cx/my.php?image=pirate26wk.png
[03:19] <IIIEars> Why is visudo better at editing some files and not others? - (okay, I am a newb. grin)
[03:20] <Funraiser> well u should
[03:20] <pvanhoof> for a specific application I need the exact same version of compiler as used by the kernel (Ubuntu breezy: kernel was compiled by 3.3.5). How can I easily obtain that version of gcc?
[03:20] <jfgarcia> Hi everybody!
[03:20] <ahuman01> coorey, However photoshop has strange VM requirements, Its wokrd for me with my limited photoshop use. Atleast I've seen trmendous improvement with other apps. I have 1GB of Ram and no paging file. Windows paging implementation is really bad.
[03:20] <nickrud> coorey, no, that won't be an issue, the switching with vmware happens a level windows won't even see, in fact, you can probably run an instance of windows
[03:20] <IIIEars> visudo is for editing firewall config files?
[03:20] <bigbill52a> warm and toasty today in yuma 108 F good temp for burning cd's
[03:20] <we2by> any one here play hlaflife in Ubuntu?
[03:21] <Funraiser> thr1ce, specially if u run bittorrent
[03:21] <nickrud> for each of your resource hogs, and manage them better
[03:21] <latis> we2by, soon I think :)
[03:21] <thr1ce> Funraiser, why do you say that?
[03:21] <we2by> latis, why do you say soon?
[03:21] <we2by> not yet?
[03:21] <coorey> ahuman01: yeah i agree. . . i always have to defrag the paging file
[03:21] <IIIEars> vmware uses undocumented error codes to pass instructions. (in a windows base OS)
[03:21] <latis> we2by, no, since Im updating steam :)
[03:22] <DefHandz> Where would I find a new sources.list?
[03:22] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:22] <we2by> latis, on Ubuntu?
[03:22] <coorey> ahuman: can you accomplish anything in photoshop with only 1gb? or do you not really do heavy graphics in it?
[03:22] <latis> we2by, yes
[03:22] <Funraiser> well, the port the guy is trying is the one i use azureus on, BUT azureus was not running anymore, when I scan HIS ports, he started to freak out, and suddenly scanned like 10 ports of mine, (u can see that in the pic)
[03:22] <IIIEars> (Resistence is futile - throws up hands and watches quietly from a corner.)
[03:23] <bigbill52a> delete cut and paste...cant be easier than that
[03:23] <Curlydave> hey
[03:23] <jfgarcia> .
[03:23] <Curlydave> i'm in linux now,
[03:23] <Curlydave> trying vi
[03:23] <sebas_1> nickrud i found something
[03:23] <we2by> latis, any guide how to make it works?
[03:23] <nickrud> sebas_1, yeah?
[03:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun my realtime module is working.  thanks a bunch.
[03:23] <sebas_1> nickrud i found xf86.config
[03:23] <latis> we2by, www.transgaming.com and buy cedega
[03:24] <ahuman01> coorey, my PS use is limited
[03:24] <nickrud> sebas_1, you mean XF86Config
[03:24] <we2by> latis, I don't have money
[03:24] <we2by> latis, any other way?
[03:24] <mpm> Curlydave: if you want to learn vi, type 'vimtutor' in the terminal window and spend an hour going through it.  If you don't know vi and want to accomplish something quickly use gedit
[03:24] <coorey> ahuman01: oh okay
[03:24] <sebas_1> nickrud yeah
[03:24] <latis> we2by, not any easy way, no
[03:24] <DefHandz> Heh, I've been having trouble installing cedega. It says it cant install libpng3, and the people in here have been telling me to edit sources.list
[03:24] <Curlydave> alright, vi lets me edit :)
[03:24] <Curlydave> how did you say you save it now?
[03:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know of any ambitious open standards for future email that would provide pervasive encryption, authentication, etc?
[03:24] <latis> we2by, it costs 15Euro.. save for it
[03:24] <Funraiser> and what's more: this IP number is one in US, and there is one very close to this one: believe it or not, it's the one from the mpaa...
[03:24] <mpm> Curlydave: ZZ in command mode or :wq
[03:25] <anto9us> Curlydave: esc for command mode then :x
[03:25] <Curlydave> k
[03:25] <bigbill52a> defhands..i just use the sources.list in ubutu.org
[03:25] <DefHandz> Hm...
[03:25] <Funraiser> guys: set your firewall in Ubuntu, it's called Firestarter, it's in synaptic, and easy to setup
[03:25] <mpm> curlydave this is also the tutorial that the folks in #vim recommend http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[03:26] <Curlydave> ty that works i love you!
[03:26] <Curlydave> mucho luv
[03:26] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:26] <Curlydave> is there a reason why gedit doens't work?
[03:26] <Funraiser> sudo
[03:26] <mpm> curly did you sudo gedit?
[03:26] <DefHandz> I'm not seeing one bigbill...
[03:27] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[03:27] <Curlydave> naw, gedit gives me lines and lines of errors
[03:27] <Curlydave> vi worked though!
[03:27] <Tezkah> no... vi never works
[03:27] <Tezkah> why would you say that?
[03:27] <coorey> thanks for all the info and help everyone. my download is complete and i am going to install Ubuntu now. Later.
[03:27] <Curlydave> lol
[03:27] <ahuman01> coorey, If you've seen things like firefox and other apps crawling after you exit from a game, disabling the VM in windows will make a great difference. Or if u copy a large file and other apps slow down, that will not happen
[03:27] <bigbill52a> tp://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:27] <Curlydave> but gedit wouldn't
[03:27] <Funraiser> DefHandz, u trying to compile it?
[03:27] <jp_> how can I install an external scanner driver that it's not on ubuntu, and use it with xsane? somebody knows a howto for that on ubuntu? thanks guys
[03:27] <jp_> :)
[03:27] <Curlydave> wow wait now gedit works too
[03:27] <bigbill52a> http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:27] <Curlydave> i think gedit was getting bugged by the error in my hosts file
[03:28] <Curlydave> and now that the hosts file is corrected, i'm good!
[03:28] <concept10> does cedega cost?
[03:28] <DefHandz> bigbill52a THANKS! That is EXACTLY what I freaking need to fix this -_-
[03:28] <bigbill52a> it also has the backports
[03:29] <DefHandz> I have to edit that for cedega to install, and something with libpng2
[03:29] <DefHandz> er 3
[03:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> to disable unneeded startup services, should i just changed their permissions in /etc/rc2.d/ to take away the +x?
[03:29] <jp_> how can I install an external scanner driver that it's not on ubuntu, and use it with xsane? somebody knows a howto for that on ubuntu? thanks guys
[03:30] <IIIEars> $ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- Where do is this file? - did a symlink "eat" it? where did it go?
[03:30] <mpm> bob2: I noticed you advised against the backports the other day... If I remove them from my sources.list will that be ok or will I have conflicts because of things I've already possibly downloaded?
[03:30] <concept10> jp_: what kind of scanner
[03:30] <bigbill52a> i just deleted all my entries in my current sources.list and copied everything in this sources.list and then i added the backport entries....
[03:30] <crimsun> mpm: removing them and updating should be enough
[03:30] <bob2> mpm: when you upgrade to breezy when it comes out, you'll probably have to manually uninstall them, too
[03:30] <mpm> crimsun: would you also advise against backports?
[03:30] <nali0th> howdy
[03:30] <crimsun> mpm: yes
[03:30] <jp_> concept10 it's a canon n640pex :S
[03:30] <bigbill52a> the ubuntu guide is very simple to use ...
[03:30] <bob2> at least that's what happened with hoary
[03:31] <nali0th> brb
[03:31] <nali0th> ok now
[03:31] <jp_> concept10 the driver is build, but I don't know how to integrate it to xsane :S
[03:31] <mpm> and how would I manually uninstall them bob2? sudo apt-get remove ??
[03:31] <nali0th> thats better
[03:31] <jp_> concept10 the driver is built, but I don't know how to integrate it to xsane :S
[03:31] <nickrud> anything that came from backports will show up under obsolete or local, so you can decide what to do
[03:31] <IIIEars> $ gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- - did a symlink "eat" it? where did it go?
[03:31] <bigbill52a> root terminal and copy and paste for most of the ubuntu guide...it was a breeze to get all my multimedia working
[03:32] <DefHandz> hm
[03:32] <bob2> nickrud: hm, are you sure? I would have thought only packages that only existed at all in backports would do that, while ones that just had a higher version in backports would not.
[03:32] <IIIEars> $ sudo gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb <<-- - Had to make it where did it disappear to?
[03:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2  since you are so knowledgeable, could i please bug you with my question? it should be a no-brainer for you..  to disable unneeded startup services, should i just changed their permissions in /etc/rc2.d/ to take away the +x?
[03:33] <mpm> I'm a teacher and currently have about 8 ubuntu machines in my classroom, does anyone have any timesaving  ideas for keeping them all updated and configured identically?
[03:33] <IIIEars> I am really really curious. Can you please help me?
[03:33] <bigbill52a> thanks to the writers of the guide..the most useful piece of howto in all of linux
[03:33] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, that won't do anything, delete the symlink from rc2
[03:33] <nickrud> bob2, I'm basing that on my experience with eperimental, and I am used to being wrong
[03:33] <cliebow_> mpm:ltsp
[03:33] <bob2> heh
[03:33] <bob2> guess we'll find out in october :P
[03:34] <bob2> mpm: dsh might be useful, it lets you run commands on multiple machines at once
[03:34] <crimsun> mpm: I have a crontab that runs nightly and downloads any updates. I look at them in the morning when I arrive at the office.
[03:34] <nickrud> bob2, not me, I took your advice to heart :)
[03:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 gads...delete it?  mmmk.
[03:34] <bob2> heh
[03:34] <IIIEars> bigbill - check out this useful script for installing a Deb file.  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-33584.html
[03:34] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a symlink, it contains little useful information
[03:34] <bigbill52a> thanks
[03:34] <concept10> jp_: where is your driver located?
[03:35] <nali0th> IIIEars: script for installing debs? what happened to dpkg -i?
[03:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> well yeah..but if i ever wanted to turn something back on...
[03:35] <mpm> crimsun: do you have a copy of the crontab you could share?  bob2 i'm googling dsh; otherwise I'm thinking of creating scripts that run repetetive config tasks, as I'm frequently installing ubuntu on donated machines for other classrooms at my school
[03:35] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then you use update-rc.d to trivially restore it
[03:35] <Curlydave> alright, one issue with linux down: a million more to go :p
[03:35] <jp_> concept10 I downloaded it, I don't know what have I to do... if I have to compile it and then make some links to use it at xsane, really I don0't know :(
[03:35] <bob2> mpm: (dsh is in ubuntu)
[03:36] <IIIEars> It is a great little hack using dpkg to install Deb files with a single click.
[03:36] <concept10> jp_: where did you get it from
[03:36] <Jormundgand> mpm: I envy your school for having the wherewithall to switch to FLOSS.
[03:36] <jp_> concept10 from a web pages
[03:36] <jp_> concept10 from a web page
[03:36] <concept10> post the link
[03:36] <bigbill52a> i will give it a try...ubuntu...is the first time i have ever gotten all the multimedia stuff to work...and other things as well..like ati drivers
[03:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 that's genius
[03:37] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone know of a way to put the main menu bar on the bottom?
[03:37] <IIIEars> Created a base file to edit with the last command you saw and it has vanished.
[03:37] <Curlydave> with it on top it's harder to select dif windows by their tilebar
[03:37] <mpm> Jormundgand: well we're small, and we're not alltogether switching, it's more of a gradual introduction of linux in the classroom so that teachers and students gain familiarity with something else; our principal is more of a Mac fan, but we have no funds to buy much of anything
[03:37] <Jormundgand> mpm: Ah, I see.
[03:38] <mpm> Curlydave: rightclick it i think no? (isn't in gnome atm)
[03:38] <IIIEars> mpm - Welcome to Ubuntu!
[03:38] <jamminpotato> where i s the file i must modify to upgrade from wart to hoary?
[03:38] <Curlydave> oh ty!
[03:38] <Curlydave> there are optiosn i did not notice
[03:38] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:38] <Curlydave> nice
[03:38] <jamminpotato> thanks
[03:39] <bob2> Curlydave: middle-click on it, drag to the bottom
[03:39] <jp_> concept10 firefox is f*cked thanks for the help btw =P
[03:39] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: Then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get moo.
[03:39] <friedCrumpet> Anyone have problems with their video playback, the hue is all stuffed up, and I can't adjust it in gxine...
[03:39] <jp_> I don't remember the link too :/
[03:39] <Curlydave> ps: most of my linux problems went away after fixing hte host file
[03:39] <Xgates> is this the latest cramfs patch version that Ubuntu used in the kernel --> cramfs--MAIN--0--patch-20.patches.tar.gz
[03:40] <Curlydave> has anyone here installed ATI video card drivers for ubuntu?
[03:40] <Curlydave> I'm following the instructions in the thread, but step 2 gives me an error
[03:40] <jamminpotato> Jormundgand, how do i open sources in the terminal texxt editor
[03:40] <mpm> jamminpotato: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <bob2> Xgates: that's a bazaar archive, not just a tarball
[03:41] <Jormundgand> I think he wants nano. He specified terminal editor.
[03:41] <Jormundgand> jamminpotato: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:42] <count0nz> nano -w is better for editing files like his
[03:42] <Curlydave> when i try to install ATI vid card drivers, step two gives me this error:
[03:42] <Curlydave> couldn't find package linux-restricted modules
[03:42] <count0nz>  /s/his/this
[03:42] <Curlydave> lol
[03:42] <Curlydave> has anyone here installed ati vid card drivers?
[03:43] <bob2> Curlydave: you mistyped
[03:43] <bob2> Curlydave: linux-restricted-modules
[03:43] <count0nz> nano -w (       -w (--nowrap)
[03:43] <count0nz>               Disable wrapping of long lines.
[03:43] <count0nz> )
[03:43] <Curlydave> alright her'es wha ti typed
[03:43] <Curlydave>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-</boot/vmlinuz> xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:43] <bob2> er, that's quite wrong
[03:44] <Curlydave> eh? what's it supposed to look like
[03:44] <bob2> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:44] <fgr> hello, does gdesklets have known problems on hoary?
[03:44] <Curlydave> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati+drivers is wher ei got it from
[03:44] <bob2> best to ignore the forums then
[03:44] <Curlydave> k i'll try that
[03:44] <Curlydave> lol
[03:45] <thr1ce> just use the fglrx package from hoary; the drivers work well enough
[03:45] <xvers> hey.. in gnome, my application list and workspace switcher dont appear on the bottom, any help?
[03:45] <bob2> oh god, yes
[03:45] <bob2> please ignore that post on the forusm entirely
[03:45] <Pupeno> How do you choose to enable TCP or UDP ports on firestarter ? actually I opened a port, but I see that the UDP connections on that port are being blocked.
[03:45] <Curlydave> oy-i tried that command an i get the same typ eof error wher eit can't find hte restricted module packages :(
[03:45] <anto9us> acpi suspend to ram stopped working for me after installing fglrx drivers for my radeon 9700, my screen trashes and the system locks, anyone know how to fix it?
[03:46] <bob2> Curlydave: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:46] <james_> hey guys, what do you think would be faster - 2 x 36 gb western digital 10k rpm raptors on a RAID 0 array or 1 single 76 gb western digital 10k raptor? and by how much?
[03:46] <Curlydave> k
[03:46] <bob2> Curlydave: if you got an error, I suspect you mistyped
[03:46] <thr1ce> anto9us, add a tmpfs to your /etc/fstab
[03:46] <Curlydave> k
[03:46] <tga> james_: the raid 0 should be faster
[03:46] <thr1ce> shared memory issue with ATI cards
[03:46] <bob2> anto9us: is it supposed to work at all with the binary drivers?
[03:46] <james_> tga, how much faster?
[03:47] <tga> james_: I don't know, I guess it also depends on what you're doing
[03:47] <nickrud> out of curiosity, it there any reason the big three wikis are not in the irc greeting?
[03:47] <anto9us> thr1ce: thanks, I'll try that
[03:47] <Curlydave> also, i have 64-bit ubuntu/cpu. it indicates on hte ati website that you need the "32-bit packages" to work the 64
[03:47] <xvers> hey.. in gnome, my application list and workspace switcher dont appear on the bottom, any help?
[03:47] <bob2> Curlydave: ignore the website
[03:47] <Curlydave> so do i need to download and install hte 32 bit drivers first, or can i just use the 64-bit ones
[03:47] <Curlydave> k
[03:47] <anto9us> bob2: it doesn't work with binary drivers?
[03:47] <bob2> nickrud: there's more than wiki.ubuntu.com?
[03:47] <thr1ce> anto9us, google for tmpfs ATI driver or something; also, make sure you ran through fglrxconfig, and make SURE you use externalAGP
[03:47] <bob2> anto9us: I'd be surprised if it did
[03:47] <bigbill52a> right click on the taskbar and you can add what you want
[03:47] <bob2> but thr1ce seems to know more than me
[03:47] <james_> tga, hmm, do you think it would be worth the extra noise the 36 drives have, and the extra $30?
[03:47] <Curlydave> so just use the 64-bit ones?
[03:48] <bob2> Curlydave: just follow the wiki page
[03:48] <nickrud> binary drivers, restricted formats, and root sudo will cover a huge chunk
[03:48] <tga> james_: again, depends on what you're doing
[03:48] <tga> james_: not for a desktop imho
[03:48] <Curlydave> k i'm there
[03:48] <bob2> nickrud: oh...people don't read the irc greeting, nor the topic, nor the faq, unfortunately
[03:48] <Curlydave> but just follow those instructiosn for hte 64-bit driver?
[03:48] <DefHandz> After I get Cedega working and all, what would everyone reccomend I do with Kubuntu?
[03:48] <james_> tga, let's say i'm a power desktop user ;)
[03:48] <xMaximex> In xinerama dualhead, how do i switch metamodes ?
[03:49] <bob2> Curlydave: just follow the instructions on the wiki page I gave you
[03:49] <nickrud> bob2, but then we can just point :(
[03:49] <IIIEars> $ sudo gedit ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/Install\ Deb (scream.png)
[03:49] <bigbill52a> the ati drivers loaded on mine from the info in the forums....
[03:49] <tga> james_: imho you don't even need scsi for a desktop
[03:50] <Curlydave> k i'm following the wiki, first steop going well
[03:50] <IIIEars> Can anyone. Please.... Help?
[03:50] <james_> tga, these are the sata models *oops*
[03:50] <bigbill52a> after trying three or four times lol
[03:50] <thr1ce> install fglrx, run sudo fglrxconfig, make sure you use externalagp, write the file to xorg.conf, make sure the keyboard driver is kbd, and restart X
[03:50] <bob2> IIIEars: if you wnat help with some random script you downloaded from the forums, ask whoever wrote it
[03:50] <nickrud> there's no reason why we can't start teaching with the basics
[03:51] <IIIEars> Ah - okay. - at least now i won't ask about "random scripts" - lol
[03:51] <IIIEars> Boy, It's tough using a new OS. - grin
[03:51] <Curlydave> ahhhh
[03:51] <Curlydave> errors
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:52] <Curlydave> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:52] <Curlydave> david@amd64:~$
[03:52] <DefHandz> THATS THE ERROR I GET.
[03:52] <xvers> hey.. i want a command to run every time I start ubuntu, how can i do that?
[03:52] <DefHandz> Wow!
[03:52] <bigbill52a> the xserver sometimes crashes when using kde...i have little grey boxes on the screen..the keyboard also crashes so you cant exit xwindows....
[03:52] <Curlydave> hooray
[03:52] <nickrud> Curlydave, it told you what to do :)
[03:52] <bob2> Curlydave: so, comment out those broken lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <k31th> guys i wanna startup my own computing support / consultants etc wat do you think of the name Zorox ?
[03:52] <bob2> xvers: what command?
[03:52] <Curlydave> hmm
[03:52] <bitsmash> is ratpoison good when you figure it out? when i ran xmms it was centredon screen
[03:52] <IIIEars> Marillat isn't really a good idea. :/
[03:53] <DefHandz> keith.. similar to clorox :p
[03:53] <Curlydave> this is like a puzzle
[03:53] <k31th> i need a company name thats decent
[03:53] <bob2> bitsmash: you will need to configure it carefully
[03:53] <bigbill52a> it does this with or without fglrx drivers installed
[03:53] <bitsmash> bob2: a config file?
[03:53] <xvers> bob2: its a command for my mouse to function properly, i usually run it from the terminal
[03:53] <bob2> Curlydave: well, a puzzle someone gave you the solution for
[03:53] <k31th> since i mainly want to do linux support i was thinking
[03:53] <bob2> xvers: and the command is...
[03:53] <Curlydave> :p
[03:53] <k31th> /dev/support/ ?
[03:53] <DefHandz> Heh.
[03:53] <xvers> bob2: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[03:53] <k31th> /usr/support/ ?
[03:53] <thr1ce> i'd make a simple text file, give it exec. perms, and place it in the init dir
[03:54] <thr1ce> and symlink it to your respective rd?
[03:54] <bob2> thr1ce: that won't help
[03:54] <thr1ce> why not?
[03:54] <bigbill52a> just advertize in your local shopper (you need a big enough city) and do in home repairs...seems to work...
[03:54] <bob2> thr1ce: it has to run as his/her user, after X starts
[03:54] <DefHandz> bigbill: always ;)
[03:54] <bob2> xvers: you can do that in the X config itself
[03:54] <thr1ce> oh right...X will override it?
[03:54] <Curlydave> i really appreicate the help guys, bob, nick especially
[03:54] <thr1ce> what about adding an option in the mouse section of xorg.conf?
[03:54] <Curlydave> i'm just kinda new to this
[03:54] <bob2> no, it just won't do anything at all
[03:54] <Curlydave> which lines do i need to uncomment?
[03:55] <bob2> adding the option to the X config is the way to go
[03:55] <xvers> how?
[03:55] <DefHandz> Dave, you and plenty others
[03:55] <DefHandz> :P
[03:55] <thr1ce> bob2, thought too much into it :(
[03:55] <DefHandz> I'm having trouble with sources.list crap too
[03:55] <DefHandz> :P
[03:55] <bob2> Curlydave: you need to comment out the marillat lines (add a # to the beginning of the line)
[03:55] <bob2> DefHandz: do that as well then
[03:55] <xvers> bob2: how?
[03:55] <DefHandz> bob: mmhm
[03:55] <Curlydave> marrilat?
[03:55] <DefHandz> bob: I have to replace the sources.list first, mine is all messed up..accidents.
[03:55] <jorgp> does ubuntu have like an unstable?
[03:56] <ice_1963> =)
[03:56] <thr1ce> jorgp, yes, but it's rather unstable atm lol
[03:56] <rixth> Breezy Badger
[03:56] <DefHandz> So bob2, all of that stuff that spits out that he got and I got is the stuff you have to comment out?
[03:56] <Curlydave> btw, i read something on a dif forum that had me run a command wher ei replaced all of hte ocntent in the lists file to get more packages or something
[03:56] <bob2> DefHandz: the bits refering to nerim.net, yes
[03:56] <DefHandz> Pssshhh, I could have used that earlier.
[03:56] <DefHandz> X_X
[03:56] <nickrud> Curlydave, marillat is a really grey area, you kinda want some stuff from there, but not most of what he has.
[03:56] <bob2> Curlydave: best to ignore the forums, especially if they tell you to do things you don't understand
[03:56] <xvers> bob2: how do i edit xconfig?
[03:57] <Curlydave> hmmm. k
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: I don't know what option you have to add
[03:57] <jorgp> thr1ce: is there like a mini netinstall iso or something?
[03:57] <Curlydave> thanks
[03:57] <DefHandz> I've been trying to install Cedega, then I had troubles with something called libpng3, and installing that - it wouldnt find it! - didnt work...so I was left with this thing called sources.list on my lap.
[03:57] <nickrud> libdvdcss, and realplayer-nonfree, are good, but the rest ...
[03:57] <DefHandz> >:O
[03:57] <thr1ce> jorgp, nope; in your sources.list, you simply change everything from hoary to breezy
[03:57] <DefHandz> repositories...
[03:57] <xvers> bob2: but can i make the command run at every boot?
[03:57] <thr1ce> jorgp, buut, i'd wait a little bit...it just hit a bad font problem
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: you don't want it to run at boot
[03:57] <Curlydave> so if i run "apt-get update" my problem will go away?
[03:57] <bob2> xvers: you want it to run when X is starting up
[03:58] <bob2> Curlydave: should do
[03:58] <thr1ce> xvers, if you add it to your xorg.conf, it'll go when X/gdm starts
[03:58] <nickrud> Curlydave, that error, most likely\
[03:58] <Curlydave> that gives me two new errors:
[03:58] <jorgp> thr1ce: well, I wanted to get something installed, using debian sid right now
[03:58] <Curlydave> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:58] <Curlydave> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[03:58] <bob2> Curlydave: sudo apt-get update
[03:58] <thr1ce> jorgp, i see
[03:58] <bob2> that error is because you didn't use sudo
[03:58] <Curlydave> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[03:58] <bitsmash> when you go for a haircut is there a style description code they go buy, like 132=buzzcut? ill have a 134=not too long on the top
[03:58] <Curlydave> ty!
[03:58] <Curlydave> that did it!
[03:58] <xvers> bob2: but i run it every time i boot, cant i make it do that automatically?
[03:58] <DefHandz> What is breezy?
[03:59] <bob2> xvers: no, you're not running it at boot
[03:59] <thr1ce> the pre-release
[03:59] <bob2> DefHandz: the development version of ubuntu
[03:59] <bob2> please don't use it
[03:59] <DefHandz> Ohh
[03:59] <DefHandz> I wont :P
[03:59] <nickrud> marillat provides a great service, I wish I knew him
[03:59] <Curlydave> oy nvm