[14:54] <cooloney> ogra, do you have any time to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/353196
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353196 in linux "ixp4xx hwclock command stopped to work since beta release" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:09] <ogra> cooloney, would on the weekend be ok ?
[16:09] <ogra> i'm so busy with the babbage atm
[16:10] <cooloney> ogra, no problem. i will back to Shanghai this weekend from Lexington, -:))
[16:10] <ogra> ok
[19:46] <Martyn> re
[20:02] <Martyn> Getting u-boot working on the babbage is ... painful
[20:02] <Martyn> on the other hand, I think I may have licked the issues involved in at least getting the kernel into memory
[20:03] <amitk> Martyn: what do you think of openfirmware
[20:10] <Martyn> i don't have an opinion at this time
[20:10] <Martyn> Frankly all monitor and boot environments/shells need only do one thing to make me happy ... -boot- the damned systems :)
[20:11] <Martyn> (and take up as little NAND/nvram/etc as possible)
[20:12] <Martyn> firmworks had a working ARM based openboot firmware
[20:12] <Martyn> I don't know the status of that now
[20:12] <Martyn> it was for the pxa270 based thing
[20:13] <amitk> I met with the guy behind it - Mitch. He has something for the versatilepb kernel in version control
[20:13] <Martyn> CodeGen has a working implemenation  for the EVM
[20:14] <Martyn> it would be nice to have on the babbage, but who's going to pay them to do it?
[20:14] <Martyn> amitk : what's the repository it's in?
[20:15] <Martyn> considering I've spent days banging my head against the wall trying to get u-boot to do my bidding...
[20:15] <Martyn> Mitch would be Mitch Bradley then.. I take it?


[10:29] <ChimpataMshike> hi everyone, i want to be able to read ms acess database, how can i do this?
[10:30] <man-di> there was an apache project for accessing MS files from Java
[10:31] <man-di> but this is out of the scope of this channel, sorry
[10:31] <ChimpataMshike> no problem
[10:33] <man-di> ChimpataMshike: http://poi.apache.org/
[10:35] <ChimpataMshike> doesnt support mdb
[10:35] <man-di> then I dont know, sorry
[10:37] <ChimpataMshike> its okay, thanks anyways
[13:26] <Enslaved> can any one help me with looking glass
[13:46] <Enslaved> my program freezed so i know not to answer the question again but i need help installing looking glass
[19:51] <elektranox> can it be, that there are some mistakes in eclipse-platform / eclipse-rcp?


[00:41] <jrgifford> hi
[00:41] <jrgifford> irccloud is great, but a little slow on the nickserv identify
[00:53] <Unit193> Hah.
[00:53] <Unit193> It doesn't have any good methods?
[00:57] <jrgifford> nono
[00:57] <jrgifford> it's supposed to autoident
[00:57] <jrgifford> which is fine
[00:57] <jrgifford> when it works.
[00:58] <jrgifford> but what happens is that it's a massive disconnect of a ton of their users at a time
[00:58] <jrgifford> so they get a little overloaded with everyone reconnecting, so the workers are overloaded, so requests don't go through in time


[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[14:19] <tomreyn> OerHeks: N.0.05 looks bad to me!
[14:20] <tomreyn> that's propably a pre-customization version
[14:24] <OerHeks> i just looked at the date ..
[14:31] <tomreyn> oh ok, that's just bad in terms of intel cpu bugs.
[14:43] <Mathisen> https://github.com/diego-treitos/linux-smart-enumeration?fbclid=IwAR3McuemXewSTDB9WMy4gp5-3frR47HsnYQDF2fe1Y_YoTaRcsMrqfBDlSQ
[14:55] <tomreyn> Mathisen: did you have any green Yes! then?
[14:55] <Mathisen> 2 :) but did type the sudo pass so that is cheating
[14:55] <Mathisen> still handy tool
[14:56] <tomreyn> it's probably useful in some docker containers ;)
[14:56] <tomreyn> using pre-made images
[14:56] <Mathisen> it just reminded me off one .htpasswd i forgot about
[14:57] <tomreyn> thats kind


[00:26] <StupidLikeAFox> So, new installation on a kind of old machine with an AGP dual monitor graphics card
[00:27] <StupidLikeAFox> The primary display is working fine, and the native resolution and frequency was detected right
[00:28] <StupidLikeAFox> but the second display isn't working at all
[00:30] <StupidLikeAFox> xubuntu 18.04 lts, I did install restricted extras, minus ms fonts, already
[00:37] <Kali_Yuga> hi, does someone know how I can encrypt a usb stick compatible with windows? I thought I just use LUKS+EXT4 but I realised that windows can't do that. what encrypted file system can I use for Windows?
[00:37] <StupidLikeAFox> Graphics card is a Matrox millenium G550
[00:38] <StupidLikeAFox> Kali_Yuga: NTFS and FAT32 are the FSs windows likes
[00:40] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: which *buntu version are you using? What does "xrandr -q" report ?
[00:41] <TJ-> Kali_Yuga: you'd need to use Vera(True)crypt + NTFS or {ex,}FAT
[00:44] <StupidLikeAFox> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[00:44] <StupidLikeAFox> Screen 0: minimum 1280 x 1024, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024
[00:44] <StupidLikeAFox> default connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[00:44] <StupidLikeAFox>    1280x1024     77.00*
[00:44] <Kali_Yuga> but how do I encrypt an NTFS or FAT32 usb stick? I can use disks but It only gives me the option to encrypt via LUKS+EXT4... TJ: thx I will look into that, I thougt I would have to download a seperate program for that :/
[00:45] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: that hints that the system is (trying ot) use Wayland compositor, not Xorg server
[00:45] <StupidLikeAFox> That resolution is correct, but it really should be 76Hz instead
[00:46] <TJ-> Kali_Yuga: the Linux 'cryptsetup' program, that creates/opens LUKS, can also do Veracrypt, so you could use that (from the command-line) to create the encrypted container, open that, THEN format it with which file-system you prefer. See "man cryptsetup" for more info
[00:46] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: The second monitor isn't working period. And I am on xubuntu 18.04.2lts, fresh install and up to date as far as I know
[00:46] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: what does "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" report?
[00:46] <StupidLikeAFox> "x11"
[00:47] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: the "default" connected looks wrong, you should see actual output name, e.g. "eDP-1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+0"
[00:47] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: things like "VGA-1" and so on
[00:47] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I can only think that Xorg is using the generic VESA driver, not the Matrox specific driver
[00:48] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: check the Xorg log; which should be /car/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:48] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: typo, should be  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:56] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/3cdaFjWd
[00:57] <Kali_Yuga> TJ-: Thanks, I will look into it.
[01:00] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: right, its fallen bac to the worst possible driver, the framebuffer driver
[01:00] <StupidLikeAFox> >_<
[01:00] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: notice before the FBDEV grabs the GPU there's "(EE) Failed to load module "mga" (module does not exist, 0)"  EE means error, WW means warning
[01:02] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: from what I can see, 18.04 no longer has Matrox drivers
[01:03] <StupidLikeAFox> Wonder if my card is too old/weird- this machine is a dual boot with an old windows version, and at least there the nitty-gritty config happened in the matrox program instead of directly in windows
[01:03] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I'm not sure why, but it was in 16.04 and it is in 19.04 and 19.10; looks like maybe there was something wrong with it and it got dropped. https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/xserver-xorg-video-mga
[01:04] <StupidLikeAFox> or it should be dual boot, but in an urelated issue grub isn't offering windows as an option
[01:05] <StupidLikeAFox> Huh, that is a touch strange
[01:07] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: Looking at the publishing history it seems like some Dev thought this and others were obsolete due to other packages. bug #1661409    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mga/+publishinghistory
[01:08] <StupidLikeAFox> I mean, this thing is a penioum 4 and the driver diskette with the card supports win 98 to xp, so it is kind of obsolete
[01:08] <TJ-> Your issue is reported in Bug #1778062
[01:09] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: that "obsolete" refers to the driver not being needed; which has proved wrong, which is why it got re-added to the archive for 19.04
[01:10] <StupidLikeAFox> yeah, tried to make a bad joke :s
[01:11]  * TJ- has fond memories of multihead Matrox going back to the 1990s :)
[01:14] <AmedioYyo> Hi, guys! I am having  a lot of problems with Ubuntu 18.04. I  am talking about not running amule, makehuman, Libreoffice and continous warnings system problems which I have aleady reported.  Does anyone have the same problems?
[01:14] <StupidLikeAFox> tried to add the xenial universe repo, think I typo'd something
[01:19] <AmedioYyo> Thanks. Good nigth for everybody
[01:23] <StupidLikeAFox> xserver-xorg-video-mga:
[01:23] <StupidLikeAFox>  Depends: xorg-video-abi-20
[01:23] <StupidLikeAFox>  Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2)
[01:23] <StupidLikeAFox> Oh bother
[01:24] <StupidLikeAFox> "unresolvable dependancies" after adding deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial main universe to sources
[01:28] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I've uploaded it into my PPA as an 18.04 package; lets see if it'll build
[01:29] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: might take a little while but watch results at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[01:29] <StupidLikeAFox> The former package not showing up seems to be the issue
[01:30] <TJ-> I doubt the 16.04 package will work because the Xserver internal Application Binary Interface (ABI) has changed since
[01:30] <StupidLikeAFox> I have 2:1.20.1-3
[01:30] <StupidLikeAFox> ahh
[01:32] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: looks like the build succeeded :)
[01:32] <rockwood> Hello
[01:32] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: so if you add my PPA, once the packages get moved to the archive, you'll be able to install it
[01:35] <StupidLikeAFox> xserver-xorg-video-mga_2.0.0-1ubuntu0~1804tj_i386.deb
[01:36] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: oh, you're fetching it manually then?
[01:40] <Kuleshov> https://pp.userapi.com/c854524/v854524844/6b659/a6bs8CnX2gg.jpg
[01:42] <StupidLikeAFox> The other *LikeAFox is my laptop that's not having any issues atm
[01:44] <StupidLikeAFox> >using two irc clients and bouncing stuff off a server to share lines of text back and forth
[01:46] <StupidLikeAFox> trying to just install the .deb directly had no effect
[01:53] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: you restarted the display manager ?
[01:58] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: I just did a full reboot and wanted to check something else
[01:58] <StupidLikeAFox> No changes I can see
[01:58] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: can you paste the new xorg log?
[02:02] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/4HjyTVAW
[02:04] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I don't think that is the current log, going by its timestamp "Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Jun 15 21:40:06 2019"
[02:06] <StupidLikeAFox> 21:40 is about when I booted- US EST
[02:07] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: you said you just did a full reboot' the log is 18 minutes before that
[02:10] <StupidLikeAFox> er, lemme try that again then
[02:16] <StupidLikeAFox> it gives me the same file..
[02:17] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: hmmm, not sure what is going on then. Have you verified the driver is installed?
[02:18] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: what does "file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/mga_drv.so" report?
[02:19] <StupidLikeAFox> No such file, so yeah, didn't work
[02:19] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: how did you install it!?
[04:10] <Kent14> is it normal to have a jumpy mouse pointer while using the touchpad :( ? mine is synaptics
[04:10] <Kent14> This did not happen during the post-installation, however, it's been like this lately
[04:10] <Kent14> thank you for further support
[06:56] <devIT> I'm in trouble with last reboot... can someone help me please?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> !details | devIT
[06:57] <devIT> To be precise, I've rebooted i) after 174 days uptime, and ii) after Ruby installation. The OS is Ubuntu Server 18. The reboot ends in "emergency mode"
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> devIT: come join in #ubuntu-server please
[06:59] <devIT> Ok
[07:47] <plongshot> I have the following in 2 files:  https://pastebin.com/xYfFrSjD   My variables aren't expanding and I don't know why  I never realy tried something like this and I probably got ti worng. Can anyone assist?
[07:51] <rfm> plongshot, i3 isn't the ubuntu window manager, I suggest you find the i3 IRC channel, which apparently they make hard to find.
[07:53] <blippe> @plongshot: I can't see why i3 should read the bash variables? According to i3vm.org/docs you have to set variables in i3 with the command set.
[07:58] <plongshot> ok
[07:59] <plongshot> thx
[09:28] <gofio> what does  --start --log-target=syslog mean? that it's taken 17% of cpu. Thanks
[09:33] <Puneet07> Hey, anyone here?
[09:34] <Puneet07> Guys, I'm having a problem with my brightness, (ubuntu 18.04 LTS)
[09:38] <Puneet07> Brightness control buttons does not work so I tried another way to control the brightness by installing "brightness controller" and I saw that my secondary birghtness is disabled
[09:50] <cfhowlett> !ping
[09:57] <nugroho> breezy badger
[09:59] <azi`> I am trying to install the latest version of ubuntu 19.04 and I am getting a installation crash with the message
[09:59] <azi`> rub-efi-amd64-signed failed installation /target/
[09:59] <azi`> I've googled all around and I still am not able to fix the problem
[09:59] <azi`> tried boot repair, made sure I have an EFI partition etc
[09:59] <azi`> what could be the cause of this issue?
[10:01] <_KaszpiR_> need more detailed error log
[10:01] <azi`> _KaszpiR_: how can I provide it
[10:01] <azi`> the whole thing crashed
[10:01] <_KaszpiR_> set up rsyslog server to get logs
[10:01] <_KaszpiR_> start intallation with sending logs to rsyslog server
[10:02] <_KaszpiR_> or more easy setup - enable ssh server on installed system, and ssh to it and fetch logs
[10:04] <_KaszpiR_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole
[10:06] <azi`> hmm
[10:06] <_KaszpiR_> also ensure you have seleted option to download updates from internet during install
[10:07] <azi`> _KaszpiR_: yes that is enabled
[10:08] <azi`> _KaszpiR_: I suspect its an issue with UEFI
[10:08] <azi`> but I don't know how to handle it
[10:08] <_KaszpiR_> maybe tyr disabling secureboot
[10:09] <azi`> so that's a thing in my bios?
[10:09] <_KaszpiR_> yea
[10:10] <_KaszpiR_> (well its uefi no)
[10:10] <_KaszpiR_> *now
[10:11] <azi`> so I should disable UEFI as well as secure boot
[10:11] <azi`> whichever is enabled?
[10:11] <azi`> also, the installer just hanged on me, which process am I supposed to kill to stop it?
[10:11] <jeremy31> azi`: ubiquity is the installer
[10:13] <azi`> ok thank jeremy31 and _KaszpiR_
[10:13] <azi`> i'll reboot and try again
[10:13] <tomreyn> azi`: no you shoul dnot disable uefi (unless as a last option)
[10:13] <_KaszpiR_> just try to disable secure boot
[10:13] <_KaszpiR_> keep uefi if possible
[10:16] <tomreyn> (more technically correct, you can't disable uefi but you could (possibly, depends on firmware) enable CSM / legacy BIOS support - but that's not something you should do now)
[10:20] <jeremy31> azi`: If it failed at grub install, you can try https://maunium.net/blog/linux-grub-fix/
[10:20] <azi`> jeremy31: ok let me try
[10:22] <qwebirc34077> hi
[10:22] <qwebirc34077> how to see hidden files?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: ctrl + h
[10:22] <tomreyn> ls -a
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> found what you need qwebirc34077 ?
[10:28] <qwebirc34077> yes have more questions, will ask soon
[10:28] <qwebirc34077> how to show screenshots etc for better support here?
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: imgur.com for example
[10:29] <M_aD> lotuspsychje: depends on what they are running, KDE uses ALT+.   ;)
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> M_aD: good point, i was assuming :p
[10:29] <M_aD> :)
[10:30] <qwebirc34077> how does imgur work? i need to register and copy screenshot and put link here?
[10:31] <qwebirc34077> i need to connect usb device and be detected in VM
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: no, it doesnt need a register, just upload your picture and share the made link here
[10:31] <qwebirc34077> "I'm not sure what you mean by activate. You just need to enable USB pass through"
[10:31] <qwebirc34077> how to do this?^^
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: start from the beginning please, what are you doing with what tool, on wich ubuntu version?
[10:33] <qwebirc34077> latest ubuntu, Im connecting a usb signing device to main laptop and i need to enable USB pass thorugh so that I can see it in the VM
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: latest, as in ubuntu 19.04? vmware? virtualbox? gnome boxes?
[10:36] <qwebirc34077> VM virtual box
[10:36] <gofio> qwebirc34077: with xubuntu once the screenshot is taken from the system tools it gives a direct link to imgur with the screenshot loaded
[10:36] <qwebirc34077> ubuntu 18.04.2
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc34077: virtualbox questions you could ask in #vbox if you like
[10:37] <gofio> what does  --start --log-target=syslog mean? that it's taken 17% of cpu. Thanks
[10:41] <qwebirc34077> I joined vbox no one replies yet, maybe here can help? it's ubuntu in VM to detect UBS device connected in main laptop
[10:54] <azi`> _KaszpiR_: ok so I've now disabled everything related to "secure" in the bios
[10:54] <azi`> and i get the same error
[10:55] <cfhowlett> ping!
[10:55] <cfhowlett> !ping
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> pong
[10:55] <azi`> https://imgur.com/a/ZKNFUD9
[10:55] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, irc is freaking out today.
[10:55] <azi`> is there a way to extract the log files and figure out what is going on?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: noticed netsplits yesterday
[10:56] <cfhowlett> I got hit with BANNED - your host has abused VPN ...
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[10:57] <cfhowlett> I have no host nor VPN so ... mystifying
[10:57] <cfhowlett> all good now though
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: maybe with the split, services are flipping, banning other ip's
[10:59] <gofio> it's sun day
[11:19] <qwebirc34077> https://imgur.com/7DAJMg6
[11:19] <qwebirc34077> can anyone help? libusb ubuntu issue
[11:19] <gofio> if a driver is changed in a kernel upgrade, is it possible to go back to the older kernel and get the same driver was later on changed? or is that gone? thanks
[11:20] <hans_> > root@storagetests:/home/hans# uname -a
[11:20] <hans_> Linux storagetests 4.15.0-51-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 15 14:27:21 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:20] <gofio> qwebirc34077: I've also a usb issue, but it's not just ubuntu, it's the manufacturer. In my case
[11:20] <hans_> why does it repeat x86_64 three times?
[11:20] <jeremy31> gofio, you should be able to use Grub menu/Advanced Options to boot into older kernel
[11:20] <hans_> (Ubuntu 18.04 server edition)
[11:21] <gofio> jeremy31: when I tried, it crashed
[11:21] <gofio> jeremy31: only tried twice. Enough for me
[11:21] <jeremy31> gofio: what driver is causing the issue
[11:22] <gofio> jeremy31: a qualcomm-atheros one
[11:22] <jeremy31> hans that is because uname -a shows kernel version, processor type and hardware platform
[11:22] <gofio> jeremy31: can't give much detail from it as is not recognized and we've tried
[11:22] <jeremy31> gofio, did you install some dkms for it?
[11:23] <gofio> not recognized now. It was with ubuntu 17.10 right out of the box
[11:23] <hans_> nvm found the answer (the first is "machine hardware name" and #2 is "processor type" and #3 is "hardware platform", which all are called x86_64 )
[11:24] <gofio> somehow something similar happened while on windows 7. It stopped working. Thus when fresh installed ubuntu was a big advantage to get back the bluetooth working. Not anymore but is not a priority.
[11:24] <gofio> at least I know it's not just me
[11:24] <jeremy31> gofio: was the bluetooth 0cf3:3004
[11:25] <gofio> it seems qualcomm needs to sell more no matter what.
[11:25] <gofio> jeremy31: it could yes did not memorized it
[11:26] <gofio> jeremy31: can't tell about the dkms right now
[11:26] <jeremy31> gofio: you might want to remove the wifi card and see if it will boot
[11:27] <gofio> jeremy31: thanks for the suggestion
[11:27] <gofio> jeremy31: which would be the relation?
[11:28] <gofio> thing is if manufacturer changed the driver title
[11:28] <jeremy31> gofio: if it is a driver issue for the wifi, removing the card will keep the kernel from loading the module.  It could be a hardware issue with the wifi card causing the issues
[11:29] <gofio> jeremy31: it's a usb bluetooth device
[11:29] <gofio> I should try though boot on the older kernel with the usb unplugged yes
[11:30] <jeremy31> yes
[11:30] <gofio> for having an android device plugged it was a longer than desired time to figure out the black screen was from that usb
[11:30] <jeremy31> Most Qualcomm wifi have been supported since kernel 4.4
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:31] <gofio> so, it'd be not the first time a usb plug does something like that
[11:31] <gofio> jeremy31: I know there are loads of issues with bluetooth
[11:32] <gofio> but I had none while ubuntu 17.10 already being eol
[11:32] <jeremy31> gofio: There were some issues with 0cf3:3004 as Atheros used the same ID for 2 different bluetooth chipsets.  That was fixed in some 4.15 kernels
[11:36] <gofio> jeremy31: that's very close to my case if not the same, but if fixed, why still not working even though all the rest up to date
[11:36] <gofio> is up to date
[11:37] <gofio> I had to do NOTHING when fresh installed ubuntu 17.10
[11:39] <gofio> if a selling strategy for qualcomm is very bad strategy no matter they sold a few more. As I've been suggested to solve the issue. Not gonna happen
[11:39] <jeremy31> gofio: It might be a firmware loading issue as a few years ago they put a timer in the ath3k module to make it wait
[11:44] <gofio> jeremy31: yeap if I understood it could be similar with an issue I had with firefox when the upgrade and 20mb bookmarks folder
[11:45] <gofio> jeremy31: more so when sometimes I "have to" hard shut or whatever the word used
[11:46] <gofio> exchanging installed hard disk between machines, etc
[11:47] <gofio> will try with the 4.15 see what happens
[11:47] <gofio> jeremy31: thanks
[11:52] <gofio> right now I have another issue out of the 99 issues, with pulseaudio, but highly likely is coming from a malfunctioning audio cable. So don't bother
[12:03] <qwebirc34077> https://imgur.com/IVw4Dc9
[12:04] <qwebirc34077> need help
[12:04] <qwebirc34077> image in link above
[12:06] <tomreyn> !alis | qwebirc34077: try asking in #rust or ##rust (if those exist) or look for a matching channel:
[12:09] <qwebirc34077> there is no rust channel
[12:09] <qwebirc34077> where can i find rust support,
[12:09] <qwebirc34077> ?
[12:16] <_Trullo> the game?
[12:56] <_KaszpiR_> rust language
[13:08] <ca1ek> my system tends to hang at least once a day. it starts to use the hard drive a lot, then after a couple of seconds I can't move the cursor, then it's unresponsive, can't even switch to a different terminal with ctrl-alt-f1
[13:08] <ca1ek> that sounds very much like it's swapping
[13:08] <ca1ek> i've disabled swap a couple of days ago, yet it still happens
[13:09] <ca1ek> anybody got a clue what might be going on, where in the logs I could find any clues?
[13:10] <ca1ek> maybe there's a known memory leak in ubuntu 18.10? I used Linux Mint and it had a horrible memory leak in the file browser that would kill any system if it was open for more than an hour
[13:30] <ca1ek> i think this restart broke gnome
[13:30] <ca1ek> i can't start the file browser
[13:31] <ca1ek> can someone explain to me how it happens that windows has no issues swapping when it needs to, yet for linux having to swap even 50 mb of data hangs the system for 20 minutes
[13:37] <gofio> i try to avoid swapping at all
[13:56] <FreeBDSM> hello
[13:57] <FreeBDSM> why does 'android-tools-adb' package have description 'transitional package'?
[13:57] <FreeBDSM> what does it even mean?
[13:58] <FreeBDSM> should I install that or just 'adb'?
[13:58] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: this usually means it is an empty package which is just left in place to ensure another package it depends on will be installed if you are upgrading and previously had this package installed.
[13:59] <ayekat> https://askubuntu.com/questions/20377/what-exact-purpose-have-transitional-packages
[13:59] <tomreyn> that's a better explanation than mine.
[14:00] <FreeBDSM> so, basically, it's a workaround for a problem that ubuntu's packaging system lacks a function to rename a package in such a way that updates would work?
[14:00] <ayekat> nah, just a bit more extensive ^^ (I just thought "I went and found this online, and I didn't want my efforts to be for nothing, so I'll paste this anyway") :-P
[14:01] <FreeBDSM> thank you, ayekat and tomreyn
[14:01] <FreeBDSM> looks like I should install just 'adb' and 'fastboot', rather than android-tools-fastboot (it is not marked as transitional package, btw) and android-tools-adb
[14:03] <ayekat> renaming a package is not an issue itself (no need for a special "function") -- the issue is that renaming a package can break dependencies of other packages
[14:03] <FreeBDSM> wait, it is marked so
[14:03] <ayekat> so that's more of a high-level/conceptual issue, not specific to ubuntu's packaging system
[14:03] <FreeBDSM> ayekat: by renaming I meant exactly that problem
[14:03] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: no; read the package descriptions. adb/fastboot add rules to allow user operation of adb/fastboot without root privs
[14:04] <TJ->  This package recommends "android-sdk-platform-tools-common" which contains
[14:04] <TJ->  the udev rules for Android devices. Without this package, adb and fastboot
[14:04] <TJ->  need to be running with root permission.
[14:04] <FreeBDSM> your meaning of renaming is 'drop pkg X, create pkg Y', my meaning is 'make pkg X get renamed to Y, updates for X will result into Y'
[14:05] <FreeBDSM> TJ-: where did you read that?
[14:05] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: The package description: "apt-cache show <package-name>"
[14:06] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: although I slightly mis-interpreted what it means :p
[14:06] <FreeBDSM> Description-en: transitional package  This is a transitional package. It can safely be removed.
[14:06] <ayekat> FreeBDSM: "your meaning" and "my meaning" are just the same thing on different levels of abstraction - "rename X to Y" is implemented by "drop X, create Y"
[14:06] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: right; and you can also see "Depends: adb"
[14:07] <FreeBDSM> ayekat: drop x, create y - is not renaming, in my opinion
[14:07] <ayekat> FreeBDSM: if you want to avoid that, you'll need to identify packages by some other means than names (e.g. numerical IDs), but that brings its own (very much larger) set of issues
[14:07] <ayekat> so the pragmatic solution chosen by most package managers is to identify packages by their name, because it simplifies a lot
[14:08] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: transitional packages are mainly to allow dist-upgrades to not leave the user with surprises
[14:08] <ayekat> with the downside that renaming a package causes some hickups, for which different package managers have different solutions - debian (and thus ubuntu) use transitional packages
[14:09] <ayekat> other package managers (like e.g. arch linux' pacman) use the concept of "provides", but that system isn't entirely perfect either
[14:09] <ayekat> ... actually, no - they use "replaces" - "provides" is more like virtual packages with dpkg, I believe (but anyway, this is offtopic)
[14:09] <TJ-> didn't we have an issue with netplan vs netplan.io originally, with the Canonical package originally being named "netplan" and clashing with the Debian 'netplan' which contains something entirely different?
[14:09] <FreeBDSM> well, then there should be cronjob or something that would scan the installed packages list for transitional packages and ask user the permission to remove them
[14:10] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: why? they don't cause any problems, take up almost no space since they're just a control file, and in later releases as nothing depends on them, they get autoremoved
[14:11] <FreeBDSM> how to make 'apt list -installed' to output descriptions too?
[14:11] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: My appologies, I fell asleep sitting at the computer after having one too many last night
[14:11] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: lol really, I almost did... stayed up until 5am and regretting it now!
[14:11] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: did you solve the MGA issue once the package was correctly installed?
[14:13] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: submit a patch :)
[14:13] <StupidLikeAFox> I haven't tried to correctly install it yet, just tried to ham fisted 'run the .deb with Software Install from thunar' method
[14:13] <StupidLikeAFox> *to /s/ the
[14:13] <FreeBDSM> I don't get it
[14:13] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: stick to the shell command-line; it's 100% precise :)
[14:13] <FreeBDSM> what makes a distro a distro?
[14:14] <FreeBDSM> usually it's some set of utils
[14:14] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: I think there's an unmet dependancy still
[14:14] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: although as I said originally; just add my PPA and it'll stay up to date if I have to publish fixes
[14:14] <FreeBDSM> like package manager, for starters
[14:14] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I installed it without problems on 18.04 here
[14:14] <FreeBDSM> how come a very mature (by time it exists) distro still has shitty tools for the core function of managing packages?
[14:14] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: you only had a problem trying to install the *16.04* package
[14:14] <FreeBDSM> does no one just notice that?
[14:15] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: this channel isn't for opinions or sounding off; take that to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[14:15] <FreeBDSM> it's not an opinion
[14:16] <FreeBDSM> it's a fact that package manager seems to lack a function
[14:16] <FreeBDSM> well, nvm
[14:16] <FreeBDSM> I'm not a programmer, I can't help but point at poorly made things and obvious lacking functionality
[14:16] <FreeBDSM> I guess, that's useless
[14:16] <coz_> FreeBDSM, linux is linux, however each distribution may handle these "issues" differenly
[14:17] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: I showed you where it is: "apt-cache show ..."
[14:17] <FreeBDSM> coz_: linux has nothing to do with apt, apt is a distro thing.
[14:17] <FreeBDSM> TJ-: that's not what I asked
[14:18] <FreeBDSM> I have a command to list installed packages, but that command only prints package names + versions, no summary
[14:18] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: APT is *not* the 'apt' front-end, it covers many other tools. Originally there was no 'apt' friendly frontend, it was all apt-get, apt-cache, apt-*
[14:18] <FreeBDSM> does that essentially change things? IMO not.
[14:19] <FreeBDSM> you may go on and divide a package into a set of scripts, then go on and divide a script into a set of classes and methods.
[14:19] <coz_> FreeBDSM, synaptic gives more info if you want a gui
[14:19] <FreeBDSM> well, nvm, that discussion will lead nowhere
[14:19] <FreeBDSM> coz_: I wanted TUI, so I could grep
[14:20] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: that's what apt-cache search ... is for
[14:21] <notecloud> anyone encounter this while enabling livepatch?
[14:21] <notecloud> 2019/06/16 14:20:45 error executing enable: cannot enable machine: cannot send request: Post https://livepatch.canonical.com/api/machine-tokens: dial tcp: lookup livepatch.canonical.com on [::1]:53: read udp [::1]:44264->[::1]:53: read: connection refused
[14:21] <coz_> FreeBDSM, i can't solve this for you, most options have already been given, they seem to be sufficient for most
[14:22] <TJ-> notecloud: you're not alone; we've been getting a lot of reports over the last few weeks of similar issues with livepatch BUT you're the first to give us a command-line error message. Could you open a !bug report on this and I'll get the Canonical sysadmins to address it
[14:23] <FreeBDSM> TJ-: a quote from `man apt-cache`: `search performs a full text search on all available package lists`, available != installed
[14:25] <FreeBDSM> coz_: that's what I was wondering: whether it is really an important missing stuff or that my needs aren't as basic/trivial for others as I estimate them
[14:27] <stonerl> I'd like to use the unattended update feature. Is it possible to add a ppa to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades  ?
[14:27] <coz_> FreeBDSM, I understand the frustration, perhaps an in-depth google search might reveal other options. If you find something, please report it here, I would be interested
[14:28] <stonerl> or have a whitlist?
[14:30] <coz_> FreeBDSM,  out of curiosity, because I was not here for the original question, does apt search "package name" reveal anything you want?
[14:30] <FreeBDSM> coz_: even without google I see the most obvious solution would be writing a pipeline conveyor like `apt list --installed | for-loop parsing | awk/sed ... | apt-cache show`
[14:31] <coz_> FreeBDSM, you may want to try #linux channel, perhaps they have other options, ?
[14:32] <OerHeks> stonerl, old post, still valid i guess https://linux-audit.com/upgrading-external-packages-with-unattended-upgrade/
[14:32] <FreeBDSM> I'm scared of #linux, linux is either too general (basically, for discussing everything non-windows and non-mac), or too narrow (for discussing the kernel)
[14:32] <coz_> FreeBDSM, ok let me check.
[14:33] <TJ-> stonerl: You need Origins-Pattern, see  /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README.md.gz
[14:34] <coz_> FreeBDSM, try #freebsd
[14:34] <FreeBDSM> I tried
[14:34] <FreeBDSM> I left that OS
[14:34] <FreeBDSM> because their development is even slower
[14:35] <coz_> FreeBDSM, ah sorry, whatever irc client you use, check the channel list for other potentially advanced channels?
[14:36] <FreeBDSM> why?
[14:36] <FreeBDSM> are you subtly telling me you hate me and want me gone from this channel? :)
[14:37] <coz_> FreeBDSM, no ") not at all
[14:37] <ayekat> if you're frustrated with dpkg and its dozens of frontends, you could try a distro with another package manager
[14:37] <coz_> FreeBDSM, trying to lead you to some potential solution
[14:37] <FreeBDSM> coz_: don't bother, that's not much of a problem
[14:38] <coz_> FreeBDSM,  maybe #fedora
[14:38] <FreeBDSM> I'm not going to hop distros over such thing
[14:38] <coz_> ok
[14:39] <TJ-> PKG=vim; apt show $(apt list --installed $PKG 2>/dev/null | tail -n +2 | cut -f 1 -d/ )
[14:39] <FreeBDSM> makes no sense
[14:40] <FreeBDSM> `apt list --installed` should be the 1st step
[14:41] <FreeBDSM> (then awk/sed/cut/parse to get all packages into an array; then for loop the array doing apt-show and concatenating it's output to $RESULT, then echo $RESULT)
[14:41] <ayekat> it's weird that --installed is explained in a section independently from the available sub-commands, but only works for some subset of commands (that does not contain `list` for some reason)
[14:41] <FreeBDSM> shitty docs - is the most common thing across software
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> !language
[14:42] <ayekat> FreeBDSM: why not hop, though? :-) what keeps you with your current distro, after all? maybe there is another distro that fulfils the same criterias, plus some more?
[14:43] <FreeBDSM> Eickmeyer: docs as in documentation, not doctors. Documentation can't be offended.
[14:43] <TJ-> ayekat: --installed because for a long time those that needed it were mostly devs that only had narrow use-cases
[14:43] <TJ-> ayekat: it started in apt-cache for tracking down dependency issues for building 'stuff (rdepends/depends)
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> FreeBDSM: "___ docs". Please don't use that language. That was a warning.
[14:45] <FreeBDSM> Eickmeyer: ____ approach, dude.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> FreeBDSM: That's trolling, also against IRC guidelines.
[14:46] <coz_> FreeBDSM, careful with language, the ops can ban you, and ubuntu is great for new users and ease of use, perhaps a distribution like fedora, gentoo, or arch may be more to you level?
[14:46] <FreeBDSM> ...
[14:47] <ayekat> FreeBDSM: I'd stop it - this channel is pretty pedantic about choice of words and... pretty much everything
[14:48] <FreeBDSM> ayekat: I did, but this won't stop Eickmeyer. Just you wait, he'll call cops on me for using wildcards.
[14:48] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: As I already told you; this is a support channel for support questions, NOT for ongoing pedantic commentary.
[14:49] <FreeBDSM> looks like I offended you all greatly, to the bottoms of your hearts. I'm truly sorry.
[14:50] <coz_> FreeBDSM, not offended at all here
[14:50] <coz_> FreeBDSM, challenges should always be welocomed
[14:52] <chalcedony> inappropriate behavior is inappropriate, which needed to be addressed
[14:53] <FreeBDSM> I can't believe how deeply I hurt you all with just one word.
[14:54] <stonerl> OerHeks,TJ- thanks allot
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> Let's move on. We don't need to dwell on it unless it becomes a pattern.
[14:59] <FreeBDSM> sins can't go not absolved
[15:12] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, I often stumble accross problems that I'd expect a modern OS to be able to take care of, as it would seem logical and intuitive to handle this at OS level, but then I find that nobody seemed to have found the time to solve it, or at least none of the solutions found widespread adoption or even knowledge.
[15:13] <FreeBDSM> Sven_vB: same. I feel like this comes as a result from manuals being chiseled in stone. They should be more wiki-like, so that they could be easily updated by anyone.
[15:14] <FreeBDSM> But this is not going to happen.
[15:18] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, I think a few weeks ago I read somewhere that man and info pages are often maintained with their old target audience in mind, where in some environments being terse is essential to be useable at all. and I want Ubuntu to keep supporting people who use teletypes with very small text screens (or an interest in using the least amount of print paper) who try to leave as much bandwidth as possible for their neighbors. I'd just hope
[15:18] <Sven_vB> a community will form to also cater to people like us in modern paradise where we have the luxury to dwell on the high level problems of our everyday computing.
[15:20] <FreeBDSM> I've found 'bropages', but failed to form a habit of using them over mans.
[15:20] <Sven_vB> when everyone can edit, you have a trust problem, which for man pages can directly result in catastrophic bugs. so we'd also need a trusted review group.
[15:20] <Sven_vB> thanks, I'll have a look at them,.
[15:20] <TJ-> Sven_vB: the majority of Ubuntu installs by far are server, where there is nothing but (remote) console access
[15:21] <FreeBDSM> Sven_vB: do you use wikipedia? it can be edited by anyone, they've developed mechanism to protect against conflicts, trolling and vandalism.
[15:22] <FreeBDSM> I doubt so. Ubuntu is mostly for desktops, on servers one would choose Debian (if there's a need for deb-based distros) or CentOS (if there's no need for deb-based distros)
[15:22] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, I often read wikipedia, and I see some accidents of "everyone can edit" as well as a lot of areas where wikimedia politics effectively restrict who can edit.
[15:23] <FreeBDSM> Sven_vB: it's not like the problem doesn't exist at all, of course it does. But in my experience - I never noticed such stuff.
[15:23] <TJ-> FreeBDSM: there are millions of -server installs; possibly close to 100M, that is where Canonical makes money to support Ubuntu
[15:23] <Sven_vB> in an ideal world, majority would not be a relevant concept for how Ubuntu is designed.
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> please follow Eickmeyer advice and move on, keep ontopic
[15:24] <FreeBDSM> Eickmeyer ^ I think he's trolling, warn him.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> FreeBDSM: He's a regular here, and not trolling.
[15:25] <FreeBDSM> I'm irregular but even to me it is obvious that he's trolling: we passed the discussion long time ago and he brings it back.
[15:25] <Sven_vB> yeah probably we should discuss those aspects in #ubuntu-social
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Sven_vB: You mean #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> oh, wait, did he mean the topic about manuals?
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> nvm then
[15:26] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, while it's no longer about language, it's still offtopic here
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> yeah, realized it too slowly
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> nvm then
[15:28] <FreeBDSM> does anyone have an experience of using adb/fastboot on ubuntu?
[15:29] <Sven_vB> however, one practical aspect is probably relevant here because I consider it an accessibility problem: is there a way to read documentation for Ubuntu software in a way that short CLI options in the explanations and examples are translated into their long forms?
[15:29] <gofio> funny how a stereo channel can f up pulseaudio
[15:30] <FreeBDSM> Sven_vB: iiuc - manpages are plain text, so no.
[15:35] <qwebirc34077> HI
[15:35] <qwebirc34077> i want to enable usb device inside ubuntu in VM
[15:36] <gofio> good luck
[15:36] <FreeBDSM> lol
[15:37] <FreeBDSM> qwebirc34077: what software you use to run VM?
[15:37] <FreeBDSM> and what OS is your host?
[15:38] <qwebirc34077> ubuntu
[15:38] <qwebirc34077> windows host of VM
[15:39] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: I seem to need 'xserver-video-abi-23'
[15:40] <FreeBDSM> qwebirc34077: :/
[15:40] <StupidLikeAFox> Interesting, gksu seems to be deprecated now?
[15:42] <jeremy31> StupidLikeAFox: yes, has been for a while.  Debian removed it from the repos, then Ubuntu did
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox, jeremy31: pkexec can be used in lieu of gksu with mixed results.
[15:46] <jeremy31> StupidLikeAFox: If you want to edit text files  gedit admin://
[15:47] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, I doubt they're just text, there's a lot of formatting in man pages. But even after stripping that, one could infer some information programmatically like what short option equals which long option. resolving statements like in man wget "--mirror […] is currently equivalent to -r -N -l […]" should be easy for a machine to resolve. I could probably even make a script for that, it's just the usual programmer capac
[15:47] <Sven_vB> ity problem: I've got even worse gaps of functionality to fix.
[15:47] <sonicwind> StupidLikeAFox, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/04/gksu-removed-from-ubuntu-heres.html
[15:52] <qwebirc34077> https://imgur.com/yjERkw8
[15:52] <qwebirc34077> why i get this issue
[15:52] <qwebirc34077> ?
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc34077: That's a question for virtualbox support. My guess is you haven't restarted your computer since installing virtualbox.
[15:55] <StupidLikeAFox> jeremy31 / sonicwind: Ah, so instead of 'gksu mousepad /etc/foo.cofig' 'mousepad admin:///etc/foo.config'?
[15:55] <qwebirc34077> Eickmeyer i need to restart computer after installing package upate of VM?
[15:56] <StupidLikeAFox> Seems easy enough
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc34077: Typically, yes. But, this is not a channel for virtualbox support, so this is getting offtopic.
[16:02] <mia> Hey all
[16:02] <mia> I realized that changing the GDM theme does not change my lock screen theme
[16:02] <mia> How can I change the lock screen theme in ubuntu?
[16:03] <StupidLikeAFox> Okay, 'mousepad admin:///etc/default/grub' opened a file '/home/cooper/admin:///etc/default/grub'
[16:03] <StupidLikeAFox> That's not what I was trying to do
[16:07] <jeremy31> StupidLikeAFox: mouspad must not have gvfs support
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox: Try "pkexec mousepad /etc/default/grub"
[16:10] <StupidLikeAFox> Eickmeyer: Ah, that had the intended result
[16:10] <StupidLikeAFox> if mousepad doesn't, I'm guessing thunar also does not
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox: "pkexec thunar" could help you out there.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> jeremy31: Most Xfce apps, such as mousepad or thunar, don't have gvfs support. For admin://, one needs to use pkexec to launch the intended gui app.
[16:12] <StupidLikeAFox> thunar does have gvfs support
[16:12] <StupidLikeAFox> just not mousepad *shrug*
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox: Oh, I stand corrected.
[16:13] <StupidLikeAFox> Not sure how it took till now for me to notice gksu was pining for the fjords
[16:16] <mallu> In Ubuntu 18.04 I'm trying to change permission for /var/log/btmp and /var/log/wtmp. Everytime I reboot the server something is resetting file permissions. Anyone knows which process is resetting permission for these files?
[16:16] <StupidLikeAFox> brb, testing grub's new options and that it #invokes all it's os's properly
[16:42] <Gallomimia> suddenly my machine won't output on display port
[16:42] <Gallomimia> started out by finding a loose cable at the PC side
[16:42] <EmanueleC> Hi everyone, I don't know if I'm in the right place to ask, in case let me know.
[16:42] <EmanueleC> I'm creating my own custom ISO with Btrfs by default, unfortunately the Ubuntu 19.04 installer doesn't support swapfile on Btrfs.
[16:42] <EmanueleC> 1) I would like to add to the installer with automated installation the right steps to create the swapfile on Btrfs
[16:42] <EmanueleC> 2) best option, reactivate the swap partition.
[16:42] <Gallomimia> but i can't for the life of me get it to work again. any tips? (i've had this problem many many times
[16:42] <EmanueleC> The bug has been reported, but there is no activity on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1818811
[16:45] <EmanueleC> Where is the swapfile created, maybe I have identified it, is that right? /lib/partman/finish.d/25create_swapfile
[16:45] <StupidLikeAFox> Oh, I still need to setup a swap file
[16:46] <Gallomimia> ahhhh there we go. nvidia x server settings to the rescue
[16:46] <Gallomimia> how very very annoying.
[16:49] <Gallomimia> well. looks like the built in display settings of ubuntu aren't that good. it doesn't even have a detect/rescan button
[16:50] <Gallomimia> even after quitting and reloading it, still shows that i have a 26" benQ attached on hdmi.
[16:51] <qwebirc8522> no one in #vbox channel
[16:54] <jack> qwebirc8522, so?
[16:54] <jack> maybe virtualbox isn't THAT popular
[16:55] <qwebirc8522> someone can help here?
[16:55] <qwebirc8522> i install package for usb support inside VM
[16:55] <qwebirc8522> rebooted and still fail to connect usb
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: Don't blame Ubuntu for that. It's really Nvidia that has poor Linux support in general.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> qwebirc8522: Did you install the extensions? https://virtualbox.org
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Also, it's a holiday in the U.S., so support is going to be minimal today in general.
[16:57] <Gallomimia> that still doesn't take away from the idea that there's a missing button or control in the settings program
[16:57] <StupidLikeAFox> Eickmeyer: Today is a holiday?
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox: Father's Day in the U.S.
[16:58] <StupidLikeAFox> Huh.
[16:58]  * StupidLikeAFox in the us
[16:58] <Gallomimia> then call your Father
[16:58] <SimonNL> father's day in NL
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: There are some items (especially in proprietary systems) that Linux (and Ubuntu's settings, therefore GNOME's settings) cannot do because the hardware manufacturer doesn't open up the code APIs for others.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Everyone: Let's stay on topic.
[16:59] <Gallomimia> it can't re-detect devices plugged into the graphics board?
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: Not if NVidia doesn't let it.
[17:00] <Gallomimia> how did it detect them in the first place
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: I don't know, I don't have an Nvidia card.
[17:00] <Gallomimia> why is it stuck with the old "detected" settings after relaunching the settings app
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: Couldn't tell you. The Nvidia hardware likely didn't report anything to the OS.
[17:01] <OerHeks> Gallomimia, hardware needs to bee registered in the bios, pcix hardware like videocards, those are not hot swappable
[17:01] <Gallomimia> it's not the card i'm talking about, it's displays plugged into the card
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: The displays talk to the OS through the card to identify it. Therefore, the card is the bottleneck.
[17:02] <Gallomimia> yeah. trust me don't plug video cards into a hot system
[17:02] <Gallomimia> or unplug
[17:02] <OerHeks> oh oke :-D
[17:02] <Gallomimia> seen that happen once to a card that wasn't screwed in
[17:02] <OerHeks> the reason not detecting an external monitor, is the EDID info?
[17:03] <Gallomimia> no i fixed it using the nvidia app
[17:03] <Gallomimia> which has a "detect" button to trigger a rescan
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: EDID likely not being passed to the kernel.
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> Nvidia's app likely bypasses straight to the video card, so Linux couldn't see the new display.
[17:04]  * OerHeks wonders if there is a problem in the 1st place
[17:04] <Gallomimia> i've always had some very odd problems with this monitor and display port. what we're talking about now is part of my workaround
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: I just explained to you why it doesn't work. Nvidia has a proprietary standard that Linux cannot support.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: It's the hardware manufacturer's refusal to open up to the Linux kernel.
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> Gallomimia: Which is precisely why Linus Torvalds himself is historically frustrated with Nvidia.
[17:18] <ldz27> hi, how to disable the time screen? I have disabled the lock screen inside privacy but it doesn't help. the "time lock screen" still appears
[17:18] <ldz27> the login screen doesn't appear anymore but i mean the time screen
[17:19] <ldz27> I am using ubuntu 19
[17:22] <OerHeks> ldz27, i find no entry in dconf-editor, just this: edit the .css and change font to  font-size: 0pt; >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1107000/removing-clock-from-the-lock-screen
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: I think they don't even want the lock screen at all
[17:23] <ldz27> Eickmeyer: exactly
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> ldz27: Did you try this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1140079/completely-remove-lockscreen
[17:24] <OerHeks> oh, that option is in systemsettings > power
[17:25] <OerHeks> abd systemsettings > privacy > screenlock
[17:25] <OerHeks> c/and
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> ldz27: Another result: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28281077/how-do-i-disable-the-gnome-desktop-screen-lock
[17:25] <ldz27> OerHeks: privacy > screenlock was already done, but the systemsettings > power option was missing :). thank you :)
[17:25] <OerHeks> tip: install gnome-tweak-tool for more settings
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> or dconf-editor
[17:26] <OerHeks> dconf is tha bomb, indeed, carfull etc etc
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> Multiple paths to the same result.
[17:26] <viju> I cannot logoff. Nothing happens when I click logoff.  Ubuntu 18.04
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> ^looks like it finally logged-off. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:28] <StupidLikeAFox> Eickmeyer: Pulled the surge bar out of the wall
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> StupidLikeAFox: hehe
[17:29] <viju> Ubuntu 18.04 - One more thing - it just closes all the programs and then brings back right in. It doesn't log off as it should. How do I solve this?
[17:29] <viju> I have been facing this for many months now.
[17:49] <Gallomimia> viju, turn off auto-login. require a password
[17:51] <sparr> I'm having trouble with X dying when I resume from suspend with my laptop (Dell XPS 9570) not plugged in. I'm using the Ubuntu 418.56 driver/etc packages. The most damning error is in Xorg.0.log "(EE) modeset(G0): failed to set mode: No space left on device". More logs and details here https://gist.github.com/sparr/bf17c4ab3ba95f8338076918e96a0943
[18:00] <TJ-> viju: that sounds like you've altered ownership on some key file or service, or disabled or deleted something essential
[18:01] <viju> TJ-, what file do you think it is? Also, it asks me password for keyring or something like that
[18:02] <viju> But I am bothered about logoff issue, that's what I want solved for now.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> sparr: did you have this on LTS?
[18:03] <viju> Gallomimia, I don't have auto login on
[18:04] <TJ-> sparr: try this: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:04] <Gallomimia> whoa! i have a problem with playing a movie file... the standard player shows it very very transparent unless it loses focus
[18:05] <Yatekii> can anyone tell me the difference between `cmd < data.txt` and `cat data.txt | cmd`?
[18:05] <TJ-> viju: I have no idea where the cause is, it could be in many places, but the symptoms you describe sound like a lack of permissions to execute the tasks. I'd recommend you create a brand new user account, log-in to it, and see if it is able to log-out/shutdown whatever. If it can, then you know the issue is caused by something in your main user account
[18:06] <TJ-> Yatekii: one is I/O redirect, the other is a pipe from one process to another
[18:08] <Yatekii> TJ-: yes I know, but what's fundamentally different? because I just tried to decode a protobuf (for the reference, not really important) and the first way it fails (even tho all examples on the net are like that) and the second one succeeds. so something with the filetype or the likes has to be broken I suppose :/
[18:08] <Yatekii> (I loaded the protobuf via HTTP, so maybe there could be the reason (it not being marked properly in the fs))
[18:09] <viju> Ok thanks tj-
[18:14] <Gallomimia> can anyone tell me why "videos" is flickering and refuses to play full opaque? i can't seem to see my show
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Gallomimia: did you compare with vlc player?
[18:15] <Gallomimia> i... don't think i have that. one sec
[18:16] <usney> what is the best app for streaming currently downloading torrents in ubuntu?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> usney: we dont really take polls here
[18:17] <usney> well what do you use lotuspsychje
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> usney: we focus on ubuntu support questions
[18:18] <usney> oh okay lotuspsychje
[18:18] <usney> should I ask on the forums?
[18:18] <Gallomimia> the last time i checked, which was years ago, Vuze was the only app which did that, and i think you needed the paid version
[18:18] <Gallomimia> ..... i still call it Azureus
[18:18] <usney> I am trying to google it and I am going getting windows apps
[18:19] <Gallomimia> i'm going to reboot this thing and see if some of my problems go away
[18:19] <Gallomimia> i tried searching VLC in "activities" and a blank window popped up, running under ubuntu software
[18:21] <StupidLikeAFox> Would updating to 18.10 be advisable as a fix for my graphics?
[18:22] <Tenkawa> any of you using the new WSL2 Ubuntu image?
[18:23] <aguitel> i cannot play youtube videos
[18:23] <sentaku> waiting for wsl2
[18:23] <Tenkawa> sentaku: ahh waiting for non pre-release?
[18:24] <sentaku> i still on 1903
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[18:25] <Tenkawa> ahh theres the offtopic cha
[18:25] <Tenkawa> thanks
[18:26] <Tenkawa> that should be in the topic imo
[18:26] <Tenkawa> cheers all
[18:29] <StupidLikeAFox> Huh, I could do 18.10, but 19.04 doesn't support this hardware
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> StupidLikeAFox: whats wrong with your graphics on wich ubuntu version, with wich driver version and graphics card chipset?
[18:30] <StupidLikeAFox> lotuspsychje: 18.04LTS here, I seem to be using the framebuffer driver
[18:30] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: have you installed the driver package from my PPA yet?
[18:30] <StupidLikeAFox> I have a mattrox millenium graphics card
[18:31] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: it has a dependancy that's not resolved- xorg-video-abi-23
[18:31] <StupidLikeAFox> *matrox
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> aguitel: your ubuntu version please? wich browser doesnt play youtube, and what happens exactly?
[18:35] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: it also complains about my xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1), I have 2:1.20.1
[18:35] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: xorg-server provides xorg-video-abi-23 on 18.04
[18:36] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: As I've said TWICE now, you have the **16.04*** package installed that you pulled from 16.04, rather than my package !!
[18:36] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: delete that package, remove the entry you must have added in apt's source lists (unless you downloaded it manually) and then *add my PPA*
[18:37] <StupidLikeAFox> I do have your ppa added and the extra sources entry removed
[18:39] <StupidLikeAFox> "http://ppa.launchpad.net/tj/ppa/ubuntu bionic main"
[18:41] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: can you paste a log of the problem with the package when installed; I've installed here on 18.04 and there are no complaints
[18:41] <jack> bionic is so old now
[18:41] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: "xserver-xorg-video-mga/bionic,now 1:2.0.0-1ubuntu0~1804tj amd64 [installed]"
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> jack: please dont say statements like that in the support channel
[18:42] <jack> ?
[18:42] <StupidLikeAFox> It's not installing is the thing- unless I'm failing to grasp something
[18:42] <jack> isnt it?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> jack: join #ubuntu-discuss for conversations
[18:42] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I need to see what messages apt is reporting when you do "apt install xserver-xorg-video-mga"
[18:43] <OerHeks> jack, you know better
[18:43] <jack> i wish :P
[18:45] <StupidLikeAFox> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:45] <StupidLikeAFox>  xserver-xorg-video-mga : Depends: xorg-video-abi-23
[18:45] <StupidLikeAFox>                           Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1)
[18:45] <StupidLikeAFox> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:46] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: "sudo apt -f install"
[18:47] <StupidLikeAFox> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:48] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: there's something wrong with your system's packages to get that error.
[18:49] <TJ-> !info xserver-xorg-core bionic
[18:49] <OerHeks> did you run apt update before installing stuff? fresh lists
[18:50] <StupidLikeAFox> still Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[18:50] <StupidLikeAFox> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[18:50] <StupidLikeAFox> distribution that some required packages have not yet been creat
[18:50] <StupidLikeAFox> and the same error
[18:51] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: compare my list with yours from here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/87BpvYrh7P/
[18:52] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: or show us "pastebinit <( apt list '*xserver*' --installed )"
[18:53] <StupidLikeAFox> https://pastebin.com/NnwdNnya
[18:54] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: doh! You've got the HWE packages installed! xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04
[18:54] <StupidLikeAFox> I promise, that's what the live dvd put there :s
[18:55] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: That's fine, not your fault, but as you didn't know that's why we have a problem
[18:56] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: the 18.04 LTs has "point" releases where we effectively backport the kernel and the xorg packages from the next release (18.01 cosmic) as HardWare Enablelement packages
[18:56] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: so, in the case of Xorg you've actually got te 18.10, not 18.04 packages :)
[18:56] <StupidLikeAFox> Oh, yes, this was 18.04.2
[18:57] <StupidLikeAFox> I just grabbed the most recent recent i386 iso
[18:57] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: so, I need to republish the package in my PPA for Cosmic, and you need to change the at source for my PPA from bionic to cosmic
[18:57] <TJ-> I'll republish it for Cosmin now
[18:59] <StupidLikeAFox> It looks like the next LTS isn't going to do 32 bit, oh bother
[19:00] <craigbass76> I ran apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, but I'm still seeing a kubuntu splash screen before my login. What'd I miss?
[19:00] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: it's now building
[19:01] <OerHeks> craigbass76, as it is still in use, run this command to set an other splash
[19:01] <TJ-> craigbass76: that's only a 'parent' package that depends on everthing that is actually needed
[19:01] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: flavours like Lubuntu and Xubuntu and others likely will (it only affects installers, not actual package architectures)
[19:02] <OerHeks> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth ( and choose something) sudo update-initramfs -u
[19:02] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: " apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" only removes the directive, not what it acted on.
[19:02] <StupidLikeAFox> I'm on xubuntu, 19.10 is planned as 64 bit only
[19:02] <OerHeks> adding a desktop is no problem, removing one is interesting
[19:02] <StupidLikeAFox> lubuntu is something to look into though
[19:03] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: installer; it doesn't affect which architecture packages are available
[19:03] <craigbass76> That's what I'm finding. I installed XFCE too, but am keeping that. Just couldn't get it to work with the Dropbox app last time I tried.
[19:03] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: as long as you're doing a d-r-u or dist-upgrade its fine
[19:03] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: packages built, just need to wait for them to be moved to the archive
[19:04] <Gallomimia> do you really have a 32-bit system?
[19:05] <TJ-> Lots of good reasons for using 32-bit; systems with small RAM (less than 4GB) will generally do better
[19:05] <craigbass76> OerHeks, so, was there a way with one command to completely remove all traces of Kubuntu (artwork included)?
[19:05] <OerHeks> craigbass76,  i just gave you the way to reset that splash
[19:05] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: Here is scripting to go back pure: https://github.com/aysiu/purebuntu - that you may find interesting.
[19:05] <StupidLikeAFox> Gallomimia: this is pentium 4 machine I'm setting up to do some legacy type stuff- I have 3x 64 bit laptops for practical things
[19:05] <OerHeks> anyway; adding a desktop is no problem, removing one is interesting
[19:05] <StupidLikeAFox> Gallomimia: but I figured hey, I should intall linux too
[19:06] <TJ-> craigbass76: this'll show you what that package actually installs "apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep ^Depends" ... the real meat is in te plasma* packages
[19:06] <Gallomimia> oh yeah. good point
[19:06] <Gallomimia> i guess i have an old pentium-something laying around which i'm going to do the same to
[19:06] <Gallomimia> ofc, i don't plan to give that thing a head
[19:06] <StupidLikeAFox> If anything, I can download stuff and throw it on the NTFS partition to use easier (the OS that owns that has netowrking disabled)
[19:07] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I've got Sony Vaios I bought in 2002, that ran WinXP fine originally, with 256/384MB RAM respectively, and I keep them going with 32-bit installs :)
[19:07] <craigbass76> OerHeks, No, I got it, I was just wondering if there was somethign I could have done in the first place. Not sure why I still have a KDE splash screen when I erased the desktop
[19:07] <craigbass76> TJ-, Ahh...
[19:07] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: I went ahead and put a faster cpu and 4gb or ram in. Old parts are cheap.
[19:08] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: these aren't upgradable, they're one-piece. At the time they were the top of the market :)
[19:09] <craigbass76> Bashing-om, Is that going to nix XFCE and Cinnamon too you think?
[19:09] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: packages are published now, you can install
[19:09] <StupidLikeAFox> Thanks :D
[19:10] <StupidLikeAFox> Man, I picked the exact wrong graphics card
[19:10] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I'm hoping I didn't need to do some changes to make them install!
[19:10] <StupidLikeAFox> -something cheap, AGP, low profile, and dual VGA
[19:12] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I need to learn to type, too, just noticed the changelog notice: "Publish for 18.04 Cosmic"
[19:12] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: which in your case is ironicly, correct
[19:13] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: Not messed about much with the scripts, As there is no xubuntu option, you will have to adapt a script to your particular needs, Not an easy process.
[19:15] <StupidLikeAFox> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:15] <StupidLikeAFox>  xserver-xorg-video-mga : Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1)
[19:15] <StupidLikeAFox> >.<
[19:15] <craigbass76> Bashing-om, No, I was hoping to keep it.
[19:15] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: Re-install ? Are you interested in testing what will be xubuntu 19.10 ?
[19:16] <craigbass76> Bashing-om, Not on my work PC. Why you looking for guinea pigs? I'm running UbuntuStudio on my own laptop, so Xub wouldn't be much of a change
[19:17] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: hmpph!
[19:17] <StupidLikeAFox> My version is higher, can I just force it?..
[19:17] <craigbass76> Bashing-om, I've tried GNOME3 twice (honest 2+ weeks) and just can't do it, os I'm usually running Xub or Mint.
[19:18] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: It's my fault, I should have altered the Depends to include xserver-xorg-core-hwe-18.04
[19:18] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: :) - I do xfce4 as my GUI of choice.
[19:24] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I've modified the package and done another upload; hopefully this will solve the problem with the HWE
[19:25] <TJ-> XFCE on 19.04 (xubunt) looks very smart, and seems to have resolved a few bugs too
[19:25] <craigbass76> Bashing-om, You getting PMs?
[19:26] <Bashing-om> craigbass76: Yeah .. PM .. Just slow getting back to it :)
[19:48] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: Force installing the package slightly worked and a bunch of didn't worked :P
[19:49] <StupidLikeAFox> Both screens are active, which is progress, but the system is running veryslow, and both screens are just copies the OS sees as one
[19:54] <StupidLikeAFox> Think I'm going to undo this, the system is painful to evn type into an irc client on
[19:55] <qwebirc91697> hi
[19:55] <qwebirc91697> i have issues with this: https://imgur.com/dr7fQFT
[19:55] <qwebirc91697> https://imgur.com/WaTmx1t
[19:55] <qwebirc91697> the directory cannot be found
[19:56] <qwebirc91697> how to solve this, it is a linux issue
[19:58] <StupidLikeAFox> Okay, so it wasnt that simple as forcing it.
[19:59] <pm23> I installed 'hplip' for 'HP Laser Jet M1005 MFP' and the printer is working but the scanner in it is not working...can one help me out? I am new to linux
[20:00] <craigbass76> pm23, Welcome aboard. I have an older M1212 that has similar issues. I'm leaning toward HP messed things up along the way somewhere, but havnen't gotten back to an old enough version yet to prove it.
[20:01] <craigbass76> pm23, There's a way to grab older ones on Sourceforge, and reading comments around the net point towards that being a fix, but like I said, I can't confirm personally yet.
[20:01] <pm23> thx craigbass76...but i have to use scanner for daily work....
[20:02] <craigbass76> pm23, yes, tell me about it. I'm trying to get reimbursed for a $1000 plane ticket, but can't scan things in...
[20:02] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: sounds like its doing software rendering; is there a compositor in use? which desktop session is it, Xubuntu/XFCE ?
[20:02] <StupidLikeAFox> Xubuntu yeah
[20:02] <pm23> yeah.....though printer is working
[20:03] <craigbass76> pm23, If it helps, 3.18.12 wasn't far back enough. I was going to tackle the 3.17's this week.
[20:03] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: that sounds right, as even just doing some basic tasks is a bit slow
[20:03] <StupidLikeAFox> and trying to render two monitors just wasn't happening
[20:03] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: can you "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[20:03] <craigbass76> I don't think my scanner has worked since Mint 18, and that was a while back.
[20:04] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: I've removed the package and rebooted, would the info needed still be there?
[20:04] <pm23> 3.18.12 is what....please explain...version of which file? i am new in linux
[20:04] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: ahhh, no, it'd be an older file. Use "ls -latr /var/log/Xorg*" to identify the one with the correct timestamp
[20:04] <craigbass76> pm23, look for a om in a sec. We're going to clutter up the channel
[20:04] <pm23> hmm
[20:05] <StupidLikeAFox> TJ-: it was showwing up in irssi as like a couple key presses per second
[20:05] <qwebirc91697> Hi can some help I put issue in imgur: https://imgur.com/WaTmx1t
[20:07] <TJ-> pm23: looks like you need the HP binary add-ons for that one: "HP LaserJet m1005 Multifunction Printer  Required  2.8.9  1.Scanning support. 2.Printing support."
[20:07] <TJ-> pm23: See https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/binary_plugin.html
[20:08] <OerHeks> qwerirc likely that key  folder or key itself have wrong permissions, see the ssh key manual?
[20:08] <StupidLikeAFox> yes, the one older version looks like when the mga drivers were running
[20:08] <OerHeks> or that folder does really not exist ..
[20:08] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: if you can pastebin that it may give some clues
[20:09] <StupidLikeAFox> https://pastebin.com/H2MyVAtX
[20:09] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: if I recall correctly the MGa drivers only do a framebuffer; there is no hardware acceleration, which would explain it
[20:10] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: does the hardware support x2 or x4 AGP? "MGA(0): Using AGP 1x mode"
[20:10] <StupidLikeAFox> ohhh, and this system is not fast enough to do non-accelerated graphics
[20:11] <StupidLikeAFox> That I am unsure of, I know the AGP slot if the fanciest version and this card seems to support multiple agp versions
[20:12] <StupidLikeAFox> but the CPU and FSB together only support 333MHz ram
[20:13] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: also, there's a lot of buffer copying going on since "MGA(0): Direct rendering disabled"
[20:14] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: ^^^ means that the driver cannot write directly to the hardware, so has to copy buffers from CPU RAM to MGA RAM
[20:15] <StupidLikeAFox> That does make sense why it was so slow, but a 'stable' and fairly constant slow
[20:16] <StupidLikeAFox> instead of 'firefox has eaten your resources, move quickly to prevent total lockup'
[20:20] <StupidLikeAFox> Forcing the issue to enable the driver simply doubled the amount of vram writes needed
[20:21] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: I *think* this may be a big reason: "[drm] failed to load kernel module "mga""
[20:23] <StupidLikeAFox> Blah, I'm willing to concede my second monitor for something with more usefull prgorams that can safely be connected to the internet..
[20:23] <qwebirc91697> hi why no one help with my question
[20:23] <qwebirc91697> ?
[20:23] <StupidLikeAFox> *and that can be
[20:24] <OerHeks> qwerbirc, read back
[20:24] <OerHeks> directory should have 755 permission, keys file should have 644 permissions and be owned by the user. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[20:25] <qwebirc91697> Oerkeks what do you mean?
[20:25] <OerHeks> yeah, what do you not understand about read back?
[20:26] <qwebirc91697> i mean, i dont understand the explanation about the permissions
[20:27] <TJ-> StupidLikeAFox: apparently the device you have doesn't have a kernel DRM driver; it only has matroxfb_base which is a framebuffer driver
[20:27] <StupidLikeAFox> millenium G550
[20:27] <StupidLikeAFox> even the framebuffer one was working incorrectly though
[20:28] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: 755 = owner=rwx, group=r-x, others=r-x
[20:28] <qwebirc91697> TJ thanks but how can i fix it, sorry to be noob but im totally lost
[20:29] <OerHeks> qwebirc91697, for a start, does that folder ~/.tmkms exist?
[20:32] <qwebirc91697> Oerkers, yes I created myself in home directory, i created new folder and called it ~/.tmkms
[20:33] <mia> can anybody tell me how to change the lock screen theme on ubuntu?
[20:33] <mia> I've tried changing the gdm theme but that does not affect the lock screen theme ovbiously, somehow
[20:33] <mia> (it should though, right?)
[20:35] <qwebirc91697> OerHeks, inside that folder I created the required .toml file
[20:36] <qwebirc91697> I have absolutely no clue where the error is coming from
[20:36] <qwebirc91697> a whole week now trying to solve this
[20:36] <qwebirc91697> last hope i have here
[20:37] <qwebirc91697> https://imgur.com/mmsAJAk here the toml file example OerHeks
[20:38] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: run this command and show us the URL it gives you " pastebinit <( sudo find /home/cos/.tmkms -ls 2>&1 ) "
[20:41] <qwebirc91697> OK one sec TJ
[20:52] <qwebirc91697> TJ i get this error: https://imgur.com/UoEm4l2
[20:54] <Bashing-om> qwebirc91697: close out all instances of the package manager - only one can be active at any given time - and try again.
[20:59] <gabrielc_> Hi, Firefox hangs up for a few seconds when I open Opera or Chrome. Anyone having the same problem?
[21:00] <qwebirc91697> Bashing-om, how do I do that?
[21:01] <qwebirc91697> I only have the terminal open
[21:01] <ducasse> qwebirc91697: are you running something like software center or synaptic?
[21:01] <StupidLikeAFox> qwebirc91697: If you have a synaptic window, software center, uopdater, or something similar running, close it's window\
[21:02] <StupidLikeAFox> *updater
[21:02] <qwebirc91697> Nothing running, just open the machine in VM, and open the terminal
[21:03] <qwebirc91697> ok closed web and worked
[21:03] <Bashing-om> qwebirc91697: Only you can see your system - and what is open and how .. things like synaptic - software center - dpkg - or apt may be in use when running the "pastebinit" command. - apt install is one instance of the package manager attempting to run; if another is already active will get the "lock" advisory.
[21:04] <qwebirc91697> TJ AND Oerheks, please check: https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/02/15/anatomy-of-a-cryptocurrency-scam-in-the-wild/
[21:04] <qwebirc91697> sorry worng link
[21:04] <qwebirc91697> one sec
[21:06] <qwebirc91697> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bqj7qy4jqn/
[21:06] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: so you didn't create the directory
[21:07] <qwebirc91697> wait one sec
[21:07] <qwebirc91697> https://imgur.com/21v7Hc2
[21:08] <qwebirc91697> the cos was screenshot from a friend
[21:08] <qwebirc91697> that imgur is my file
[21:09] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: how are we supposed to help you if you show us a screenshot of someone else's error?
[21:09] <qwebirc91697> https://imgur.com/Jypk2dE
[21:10] <qwebirc91697> I get same error too as him
[21:10] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: that doesn't help us though, we aren't interested in the error, we're interested in how your system is set up
[21:11] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: run this command and show us the URL it gives you " pastebinit <( sudo find $HOME/.tmkms -ls 2>&1 ) "
[21:14] <qwebirc91697> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rQfc5XnMGT/
[21:16] <qwebirc91697> TJ i pasted the URL
[21:18] <FreeBDSM> does anyone know, is it possible to let wine execute something using fastboot installed into ubuntu, rather than trying windows fastboot.exe?
[21:20] <qwebirc91697> TJ here is the result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rQfc5XnMGT/
[21:22] <ollien> The apt-get manpage indicates that for the --simulate option "Square brackets indicate broken packages, and empty square brackets indicate breaks that are of no consequence (rare)." Looking at the output on one of my boxes, I don't understand what "broken" really means. One of the output lines is "Inst bash [4.3-14ubuntu1.2] (4.3-14ubuntu1.3 Ubuntu:16.04/xenial-updates [amd64])." I can't imagine these are the square brackets they're referring to, is it?
[21:23] <qwebirc91697> TJ and my friend gets this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kHJHrxybf3/
[21:26] <qwebirc91697> OerHeks, TJ ? dod you check he URL?
[21:27] <TJ-> qwebirc91697: you have files in the directory; what command are you executing and what error do you get ?
[21:28] <qwebirc91697> TJ this: "tmkms start -c ~/.tmkms/tmkms.toml"
[21:28] <qwebirc91697> and i get this error.
[21:28] <qwebirc91697> :
[21:30] <qwebirc91697> oh i know error, the UBS device is not detected in ubuntu
[21:30] <qwebirc91697> i sintalled the package for USB and still failed to connect
[21:30] <qwebirc91697> thats why gives error, becuase needs the UBS device to complete operation
[21:30] <qwebirc91697> what can i do to connect it to ubunut VM?
[21:42] <vlt> Hello. I'm trying to debootstrap an old Ubuntu by running `debootstrap dapper target/ http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu` but get "E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages". Any idea how to solve this?
[21:42] <vlt> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release lists "main/binary-amd64/Packages".
[21:53] <AlexPortable> Sometimes ubuntu can't find internet, after a reboot of the computer, unplugging the cable waiting some time and plugging it again it works. Right now it's happening, which commands can i do to diagnose the issue?
[22:25] <towser> I'm trying to get firestorm to run but it doesn't want to start. the output from terminal can be found at https://pastebin.com/NTXjTZv5
[22:28] <AlexPortable> towser: which ubuntu version?
[22:28] <towser> AlexPortable, 18.04.2 LTS
[22:29] <AlexPortable> https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/firestorm_in_64-bit_ubuntu_1804
[22:29] <AlexPortable> https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/firestorm_in_64-bit_ubuntu_1804#install_needed_32-bit_libraries
[22:29] <OerHeks> that error is clear: by enabling 32-bit architecture and installing one or more 32-bit compatibility libraries.
[22:30] <towser> AlexPortable,  i have thoes libaries insalled
[22:30] <OerHeks> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[22:32] <towser> OerHeks,  same error
[22:32] <OerHeks> after that, you can install libidn11:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libuuid1:i386 zlib1g:i386 and so on
[22:33] <towser> OerHeks,  I did that already
[22:35] <akem_> towser, Do you have libfreetype installed?
[22:36] <akem_> libfreetype6
[22:38] <towser> akem_, yes already installed
[22:43] <akem_> towser, do you see the libs if you "locate libfreetype.so.6" check the files really exists and the symlinks are valids.
[22:46] <towser> akem_,  yes it says there is files when I put that command in
[22:51] <akem_> Try "file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6.15.0" and "file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6.15.0" just to verify...and if it's ok you need to see why it does not find the lib you can try to symlink it to the binary directory and use something like "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./;$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./firestorm" with the correct binary name
[22:52] <akem_> If you are on 18.04 that should be the same versions of the lib.
[22:53] <akem_> not ";" but ":" in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[22:54] <towser> akem_, the first commend returned thoes files wern't found but the second one it found
[22:55] <akem_> towser, you need to install the missing ones.
[22:55] <towser> akem_,  the first command you gave me failed to file thoes files the second one found all files
[22:58] <towser> akem_,  it tells me libfreetype6 is already the latest version
[22:58] <akem_> towser, try: sudo apt install libfreetype6:i386
[22:59] <towser> akem_,  that is now installed
[23:00] <akem_> Try again your binary now to see.
[23:03] <towser> akem_,  still erro loading shared libaries
[23:03] <towser> error
[23:04] <akem_> towser, still freetype? paste the output.
[23:06] <towser> https://pastebin.com/pjvn6D34
[23:06] <towser> looks like libGLU to me now
[23:08] <TJ-> Sounds like you should run 'ldd' against the binary and then cross-check each library against installed packages
[23:08] <towser> TJ-, how do I do that?
[23:09] <TJ-> towser: assuming what we see in your pastebin is a real executed, then "ldd bin/do-not-directly-run-firestorm-bin"
[23:10] <towser> TJ-,  ok now it gave me a bunch of directories
[23:11] <TJ-> towser: if you can pastebin the output I can give you a command to check them all at once
[23:12] <towser> https://pastebin.com/88sGrvVr
[23:16] <TJ-> towser: "sudo apt install libfontconfig1:i386 libglu1-mesa:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386"
[23:19] <towser> TJ-, ok that's all done
[23:19] <towser> and it's trying to run
[23:21] <towser> and it looks like it works, thanks
[23:22] <towser> now I need to figure out where the temp files for chromium os install are. I tried to install but ran out of disk space and it left behind a lot of files
[23:30] <AlexPortable> Sometimes ubuntu can't find internet, after a reboot of the computer, unplugging the cable waiting some time and plugging it again it works. Right now it's happening, which commands can i do to diagnose the issue?
[23:34] <akem_> AlexPortable, keep the computer plugged to the net and if you loose the connection check your IP and network interface, try to ping your router, that kind of process to see what's going on.
[23:36] <AlexPortable> well the networking icon keeps blinking up and down
[23:58] <kinghat> is it possible to see memory type info via command line?
[23:59] <kinghat> speed/size/ecc/vendor?


[13:09] <apw> ogra_cmpc, lool, we recently added CRAMFS to builtin i think for at least one of our arm bracches... what was the reason again?  initrd support perhaps?
[13:09] <lool> apw: Yes; and it didn't help
[13:10] <lool> apw: And I don't know what the issue is
[13:10] <lool> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/524893
[13:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524893 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "versatile: Can't boot initramfses (affects: 1)" [Low,In progress]
[13:10] <apw> lool ... ok thank
[13:10] <lool> apw: You can try with the images at http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/current/images/versatile/netboot/ and qemu-system-arm -m 256 -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.gz
[13:10] <lool> apw: Happy if you have any idea what's going on
[13:12] <apw> looking at it whether it needs to built in for another branch, seems not, so good
[13:15] <lool> ok
[13:15] <lool> dmart: Could it be that ldr is causing SIGILL under qemu but it's really a SIGBUS?
[13:16] <lool> dmart: disassemble shows that it's a "ldr r0, [pc, #24]"; I'm not sure what can go wrong here, I guess only the fact that it's not 4-bytes aligned?
[13:27] <dmart> lool: hi, are we talking qemu-kvm or valgrind here?
[13:30] <dmart> pc is rounded down to a multiple of 4 when used as a base in ldr in Thumb
[13:56] <lool> dmart: It's under qemu-system-arm that I test, but it's a valgrind SIGILL AFAICT
[13:56] <lool> dmart: Not sure what would cause the SIGILL then
[13:56] <dmart> Hi, I posted another patch.
[13:56] <lool> dmart: I have a debug session open here if it helps
[13:57] <dmart> It looks like the code at _start is executed as ARM, not Thumb, so it's a real SIGILL
[13:57] <cwillu_at_work> lool, could you pop your head into #ubuntu+1, and glare at thiebaude, and then leave again?
[13:57] <dmart> The _start symbol needs to be properly tagged to solve this (as for ARM/Thumb interworking generally)
[13:59] <lool> cwillu_at_work: thiebaude?
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> he's using your name in vain
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> ah, he's gone now anyway
[14:00] <lool> dmart: Oh so it's executing random instructions because it jumps into an assembly which was built as Thumb (our default) but is executed as ARM because it was not annotated properly as such; ok
[14:00] <lool> dmart: This ARM/Thumb stuff is tricky
[14:00] <dmart> lool: Yes, it looks like there is also some wrong code in m_syswrap/syswrap-arm-linux.c causing another SIGILL... I have a meeting now though.
[14:00] <lool> I didn't quite grasp how the various memory locations are ARM or Thumb yet
[14:00] <dmart> Normally you don't need to worry about the instruction set for the program entry point 'cause that's in crt*.o
[14:01] <lool> cwillu_at_work:
[14:01] <lool> cwillu_at_work: As in lol?
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> don't mind me, I'm goofy at this hour
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> (yes)
[14:02] <dmart> lool: "I didn't quite grasp how ..." neither does the CPU ;)  so you need to tell it when you jump into code.  The toolchain tracks this by setting the bottom bit of the address of Thumb symbols, but proper tagging is needed to enable this.
[14:07] <lool> dmart: Wee!
[14:07] <lool> dmart: Doesn't SIGILL anymore
[14:08] <lool> I get helpful output
[14:08] <lool> Now need to start qemu-system-arm as qemu-arm wont cut it
[14:21] <lool> dmart: Ok; after another similar fix than yours, I'm hitting "unhandled instruction"
[15:18] <dmart> unhandled instruction: yeah, that would probably be the real "valrgind doesn't support Thumb-2" problems
[15:19] <dmart> Unless you can eliminate *all* Thumb code (including crt*.o and friends and all libraries including libgcc), this will happen
[22:25] <Sleep_Walker> hi


[02:37] <wallyworld> thumper: here's a 2.7 PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11627
[03:11] <wallyworld> thumper: so that other related bug... this will fix part of that also, but there's a similar issue with destroy model, but that will probably take a bit of thought to fix as coordination which doesn't exist yet will likely be required between the various moving parts
[04:04] <tlm> wallyworld: what does it mean when a worker is in a "Starting" state in the engine report ?
[04:05] <wallyworld> tlm: is it stuck in that state?
[04:05] <tlm> wallyworld: yeah
[04:05] <wallyworld> i'd have to check - i think it may be waiting for a dependency
[04:05] <wallyworld> is that plausible?
[04:05] <tlm> k
[04:06] <tlm> i'll check
[04:06] <timClicks_> 3 new tutorials available - Postgres, RabbitMQ, ElasticSearch https://discourse.juju.is/t/3117
[04:07] <wallyworld> tlm: you talking about the httpserver worker?
[04:07] <tlm> wallyworld: yeah
[04:07] <wallyworld> that attribute seems bespoke to that worker
[04:08] <tlm> oh ?
[04:08] <wallyworld> it goes from starting to running after it gets the mutex inside the worker loop
[04:08] <wallyworld> see juju/worker/httpserver/worker.go
[04:09] <wallyworld> the Worker struct has a status attribute
[04:09] <wallyworld> which is printed in hte Report() method
[04:09] <tlm> ah  yep,
[04:09] <tlm> cheers
[04:37] <wallyworld> manadart: for bug 1831580, it seems like we just loop over all addresses recorded against a machine and splat those out as ingress-addresses, without regard for the fact that 127.x.x.x should probably be filtered out?
[04:37] <mup> Bug #1831580: wrong etcd_connection_string on kubernetes-master charm <network> <sts> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831580>
[04:38]  * thumper looks at wallyworld's PR
[04:43] <thumper> hey team
[04:44] <thumper> the github actions seem to still be using go 1.10, but an azure library has brought in strings.ReplaceAll
[04:44] <timClicks_> thumper: hi
[04:44] <thumper> which seems to not be in go 1.10
[04:44] <thumper> so all github actions are failing to build
[04:44] <tlm> hmmmm
[04:45] <tlm> all the github action files seem to say 1.14
[04:53] <thumper> tlm: ah... wallyworld's PR is from 2.7
[04:53] <thumper> branch
[04:54]  * thumper wonders why that'd have issues
[04:54] <thumper> did something get backported there?
[04:54] <thumper> for azure updates?
[04:54] <wallyworld> thumper: the azure focal fix landed in 2.7 and was forward ported
[04:56] <wallyworld> IIANM
[04:56] <wallyworld> i think it is likely the actions are out of date in 2.7
[05:19] <thumper> hpidcock: I tried to go get -u the loggo repo from juju but it didn't change go.mod file
[05:19] <hpidcock> and your loggo change was merged?
[05:23] <thumper> hpidcock: yep
[05:23] <hpidcock> GOCACHE=direct go get -u github.com/juju/loggo
[05:23] <hpidcock> try that
[05:24] <hpidcock> oh
[05:24] <hpidcock> GOMODCACHE=direct
[05:25] <hpidcock> no
[05:25] <hpidcock> GOPROXY=direct
[05:25] <hpidcock> hah
[05:25] <hpidcock> brain isn't working today
[05:29] <thumper> ... ok, will try that
[05:30] <thumper> it noticed that time
[05:31] <thumper> hpidcock: should I care that go.sum lists multiple versions?
[05:31] <hpidcock> no
[05:31] <thumper> ok
[05:31] <thumper> why are they there?
[05:32] <hpidcock> go.sum is all the versions that have been seen AFAIK
[05:33] <hpidcock> as in, its like an append only log
[05:34] <wallyworld> thumper: thanks for review, i left a comment around the facade version bump, or lack thereof
[07:42] <manadart> wallyworld: I will take a look at the ingress-address bug. Thanks for the reviews on my patches.
[07:44] <wallyworld> manadart: no worries. we had that perhaps naiive approach in mind for the ingress bug but wanted to check in case we had missed some intended modelling etc
[07:47] <manadart> wallyworld: The correct thing to do will be to ensure that it is correctly identified as machine-local at detection, and omitted based on that characteristic.
[07:49] <wallyworld> manadart: yeah, that was what was discussed, but we weren't sure why those 127 addresses weren't being classified that way
[07:52] <manadart> wallyworld: I think I know. The addresses for link-layer devices are different from those on the machines collection and don't have scope classification (?) It should be easy to sort out.
[07:54] <manadart> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11626
[07:54] <stickupkid> manadart, sure, just writing up a essay, will get to that in a bit
[08:08] <stickupkid> wallyworld, whilst you're here https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11627#discussion_r430230340
[08:20] <wallyworld> stickupkid: ty for comment. a little while ago, all facades were at a top level, and the categorisation into agent/client/controller was rather arbitrary. but i think we are at a stage where we could adopt more formal expectations around the cateorisations
[08:21] <stickupkid> wallyworld, 100% agreed, I believe we could really cleanup libjuju as well
[08:21] <wallyworld> yes indeed
[08:22] <wallyworld> libjuju shold ony really use the client facades, but there's also Ping() and maybe others that are excpetions
[08:22] <stickupkid> wallyworld, we could have agent, controller, client and common maybe
[08:23] <wallyworld> yeah. we do that for controller vs model (at the apiserver level)
[08:29] <stickupkid> manadart, payback https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11621
[09:16] <stickupkid> manadart, when you get a sec, ping-a-rooney
[09:27] <manadart> stickupkid: I'm in Daily.
[10:05] <achilleasa> manadart: so the traffic from the container goes eth0 (container) -> veth (host) -> ens4 (host)
[10:06] <achilleasa> lxc profile show default on the host shows lxdbr0 as the parent of eth0
[10:07] <achilleasa> but the juju logs lines from the getContainerSpec show eth0 having ovsbr0 as the parent of eth0...
[10:07] <achilleasa> ...and brctl show has lxdbr0 but nothing under the interfaces column
[10:07] <achilleasa> looks like I broke it :D
[10:10] <stickupkid> achilleasa, https://github.com/caseykneale/VIMKiller
[10:11] <manadart> achilleasa: I think we are going to have issues with the fact that we always create lxdbr0.
[10:13] <manadart> achilleasa: Actually no, because we already explicitly bridge NICs when container-networking-method=provider and it works fine.
[10:33] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11628
[10:35] <stickupkid> took longer to install the dependencies :sigh:
[10:43] <stickupkid> manadart, shall I fix the ReplaceAll whilst I'm here in 2.7 hell?
[10:46] <manadart> stickupkid: Might as well.
[10:49] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11628/commits/fbb98cd20bd2f270185f30198a75e3f251cd1445
[10:50]  * manadart nods.
[11:05] <achilleasa> manadart: getting closer... https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/x7VBZxBnHr/
[11:05] <stickupkid> haha "profit"
[11:06] <achilleasa> ;-)
[11:06] <manadart> achilleasa: This will be a good chance to sanitise some of that flow if you're all up in it.
[11:07] <achilleasa> manadart: could do but I am not sure if I understand how it all works... also traffic still does not seem to flow through my bridge :-(
[11:07] <stickupkid> it's trolling you
[11:08] <achilleasa> is there any tool to show the parent configuration?
[11:08] <achilleasa> stickupkid: yeah... the packets are practicing social distancing from the bridge apparently...
[11:08] <stickupkid> achilleasa, haha, funny very funny
[11:09]  * achilleasa wonders if veth should be added to the ovs bridge manually...
[11:12] <stickupkid> achilleasa, bug fixes in real life https://preview.redd.it/6dgzo0qor1151.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4cc65a4b3744c1f79a230218f30fad674f78b6fa
[11:13] <manadart> achilleasa: The veth devices show up for each container NIC connected via bridge to its parent NIC on the host.
[11:17] <achilleasa> manadart: I've edited the lxd profile and after deploying --to lxd:X I see the veth as a port in my ovs... https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/nX7zzBnxyV/
[11:24] <stickupkid> manadart, I'll check the bindings issue on aws
[13:13] <rick_h> manadart:  stickupkid_ petevg just a heads up I need to take over guimaas this week. Anything running that folks care deeply about?
[13:14] <manadart> rick_h: All clear here.
[13:14] <petevg> rick_h: we are good w/ whatever you do to guimaas.
[13:22] <rick_h> ok ty
[14:26] <stickupkid_> manadart, it's building goodra instead of grumpig
[14:33] <manadart> stickupkid_: Great.
[14:50] <stickupkid_> manadart, pingy mc ping ping
[14:54] <manadart> stickupkid_: Pong.
[14:54] <stickupkid_> daily
[16:24] <rick_h> kjackal:  ping, I'm trying to bootstrap on microk8s and getting hung up on the connecting to the new address space? Any hints on issues/working out the networking bits I need to figure out?
[16:25] <rick_h> kjackal_:  this is for a demo I need to do and appreciate the help. I get stuck at: "Contacting Juju controller at <IP_ADDRESS> to verify accessibility..." and nothing I'm seeing in notes speaks to network bits other than enable dns and storage?
[16:25] <rick_h> guild ^ if anyone has any hints
[16:27] <stickupkid_> sorry rick_h not touched microk8s from that perspective...
[16:28] <rick_h> stickupkid_:  :( ok be that way
[18:20] <rick_h> petevg:  wheee, have enough VMs setup on guimaas to get a CK deploy going...here's hoping it settles lol
[18:20] <petevg> rick_h: woot!
[19:45] <rick_h> petevg:  I'm hitting some lease errors in an HA controller on the RC. I know there was some conversations around that on the standup the other day. Known issue?
[19:47] <petevg> rick_h: is this on k8s? I thought that we had solved most of those issues w/ the latest rc.
[19:47] <rick_h> petevg:  no, no gcp
[19:48] <rick_h> ruh roh, might have broken the world now...
[19:49] <petevg> rick_h: uh-oh. We don't have any open bugs against a release candidate milestone, so I think that we closed out all the known issues ...
[19:50] <petevg> rick_h: I'm having a really hard time getting a controller to bootstrap on MicroStack in guimaas, though that might just be DNS stuff being unhappy. (e.g., related to my config, not to juju)
[19:52] <rick_h> petevg: filing a bug, will send you the link
[19:52] <petevg> cool cool
[19:53] <rick_h> petevg:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1880751
[19:54] <rick_h> petevg:  :( on bootstrap issue
[19:54] <mup> Bug #1880751: flapping HA controller machine with lease issue on 2.8-rc2 on GCP <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880751>
[19:55] <rick_h> petevg:  ok, have to tear this down, it's fubar (and the 4 models of demo stuff with it :( )
[20:37] <kjackal_> rick_h: sorry, I just saw that.
[20:38] <kjackal_> rick_h: here is how we bootstrap for kubeflow https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s/blob/master/microk8s-resources/actions/enable.kubeflow.sh#L183
[20:38] <kjackal_> this is after enabling dns storage
[20:38] <kjackal_> I am not aware of any issues, but I am not testing bootstran regularly
[20:39] <kjackal_> asking aroung
[20:41] <rick_h> kjackal_:  ok, thanks. I'll grab APAC folks when they're around to help as well
[20:41] <rick_h> kjackal_:  yea that's all I'm doing atm but something's missing
[20:42] <kjackal_> rick_h: what versions (microk8s and juju) do we have?
[20:43] <kjackal_> latest/stable both?
[20:46] <knkski> rick_h: kjackal_ said you were having issues with bootstrapping juju onto microk8s?
[20:47] <rick_h> knkski:  yea, I get hung on when the client reaches out to the controller IP
[20:47] <rick_h> knkski:  so then it fails
[20:47] <knkski> rick_h: what commands are you running to bootstrap?
[20:47] <rick_h> knkski:  16:47:32 INFO  cmd controller.go:89 Contacting Juju controller at <IP_ADDRESS> to verify accessibility...
[20:47] <rick_h> knkski:  so I added the k8s and then "juju bootstrap k8s --debug
[20:47] <knkski> rick_h: how did you add the k8s?
[20:48] <rick_h> knkski:  juju add-k8s k8s (after I setup the .kube/config)
[20:48] <rick_h> knkski:  so I did the microk8s.config > ~/.kube/config
[20:50] <knkski> rick_h: the issue is probably that you're attempting to bootstrap onto microk8s remotely. see here for an issue i raised about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1841960
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1841960: Juju requires Kubernetes cluster to generate external IP for bootstrapping <k8s> <juju:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841960>
[20:51] <knkski> rick_h: the `--controller-service-*` config options should let you bootstrap remotely, but i never got them working since it was easier to just use juju's built-in local microk8s bootstrapping
[20:52] <knkski> rick_h: so if you get that working i'd like to hear about it
[20:54] <kjackal_> bootstraping the internal microk8s cloud seemes to worked here https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/S7wSYM5XDR/
[20:54] <kjackal_> let me try the add-k8s
[20:55] <rick_h> knkski:  kjackal_ so it's all on my laptop but does that count as "remote" since it was through add-k8s?
[20:59] <rick_h> knkski:  kjackal_ ah you're right. So I didn't see microk8s as a cloud at first. I bet I had to restart after the usermod command to have the right perms/etc
[20:59] <rick_h> kjackal_:  knkski so I can bootstrap with just "juju bootstrap microk8s"
[20:59] <rick_h> petevg:  ^
[20:59] <knkski> rick_h: yep
[21:00] <rick_h> I'll file a bug on the add-k8s path because it seems like that "should" work but guess not
[21:00] <petevg> Aha! Glad that got sorted :-)
[21:03] <rick_h> ok, bug filed, ty knkski and kjackal_ for having me look at the built in cloud option again
[21:03] <knkski> 👍
[21:17] <kjackal_> rick_h: adding the clud also worked https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/M2bhw9hH3d/
[21:22] <rick_h> kjackal_:  lol boooo you cheater :P
[21:22] <rick_h> kjackal_:  did you previous bootstrap microk8s? I wonder if there's some setup that it does on that path that isn't done on the other
[21:22] <rick_h> kjackal_:  and so once you bootstrap microk8s once, it works with the cloud then after
[21:23] <kjackal_> :) I snap removed and re-installed microk8s
[21:25] <kjackal_> rick_h: here it is https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NFQrqgfRPh/
[21:25] <rick_h> kjackal_:  or fine, maybe it just hates me then :P
[21:30] <rick_h> kjackal_:  knkski one other question, anyone know who does the k8s mongodb charm? It was mentioned it does HA with "enable-ha config set" but I don't see the config and wondering the right path
[21:45] <knkski> rick_h: looks like it's the charmed-osm team, and i think tvansteenburgh would be the person to talk to about that
[21:46] <rick_h> knkski:  yea, email sent ty