[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[16:10] <dholbach> all rightie - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! hugs!
[18:05] <pleia2> mhall119: fossetcon is on \o/ (my talk was accepted)
[18:08] <mhall119> pleia2: that's awesome!
[18:09] <pleia2> yeah, I'm happy :)
[18:09] <pleia2> even though I currently have a sunburn and even thinking about florida makes me feel a bit sad
[18:09] <pleia2> hehe
[18:18] <mhall119> just stay inside until then :)
[20:47] <jose> pleia2: so I'll see you in Florida again?
[20:47] <pleia2> jose: seems so
[20:47] <jose> \o/


[16:46] <giacomoa> hi all
[16:46] <giacomoa> !
[16:46] <giacomoa> i've got a question for the "artists" behind the ubuntu touch project, i hope i'm in the right place :)
[16:50] <giacomoa> hey?
[16:53] <Lacaster> Hi
[16:54] <giacomoa> hi lacaster are you in the ubuntt-touch artis team? cause i wanna ask if someone know what software did they use for the presentation of the ubuntu-touch project
[16:54] <giacomoa> the video of mark showing ubuntu on phones and tablet
[16:55] <giacomoa> do you know anything?
[16:55] <Lacaster> No. I don't
[16:55] <Lacaster> First time in this Irc Channel
[17:11] <giacomoa> ok thank you :)


[15:19] <michal_s> hello everyone, happy new year at first!
[15:20] <michal_s> can anyone confirm, that wp-content git handling works in wordpress-21 charm?
[15:20] <michal_s> I'm deploying on Windows Azure but I don't think that platform matters
[15:22] <michal_s> I'm deploying WP as it is in charm, with no tuning
[15:22] <michal_s> I'm using command: juju set wordpress wp-content=https://github.com/smereczynski/jujuwp-content
[15:22] <michal_s> and... nothing
[20:17] <natefinch> #juju-dev


[03:51] <bradh> Hi. I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and am a bit confused. I'm interested in knowing if my software works OK on arm, but I don't have any ARM hardware. So I'm looking for the easiest way to get ubuntu going on qemu.
[03:52] <bradh> Do I have to build the rootfs? Or is it possible to say "qemu --magic_options" and install an image as usual?
[06:45] <persia> zumbi_, GrueMaster: There aren't any arch-specific mailing lists for Ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is usually a good choice.
[07:12] <GrueMaster> persia: Thanks.  Didn't knpw if we were replacing ubuntu-mobile or not.
[07:12] <GrueMaster> know
[07:13] <persia> It's about purpose.  Flavours can have mailing lists: interesting discussions about how to solve various issues (What use cases do we support?  How do we handle USB drives?  What program is useful for making phone calls?)
[07:13] <persia> Since each flavour has a *different* answer to these questions, it makes sense to have separate discussions.
[07:14] <persia> In the case of architectures, there's very rarely such interesting discussions.  Most of the meaty bits are really more appropriately handled in toolchain discussions, which tend to happen in bug reports.
[07:14] <GrueMaster> ah
[07:15] <persia> And porting issues are usually interesting to everyone, although some architectures get more support than others (mostly seems to be related to what developers have, rather than anything else)
[08:09] <hrw> hi
[10:34] <bradh> I asked earlier, but didn't get a response: is the best way to set up a generic (not representative of any particular hardware) qemu vm to build the rootfs? Or is there something easier?
[10:58] <hrw> multistrap, rootstock, linaro-image-create
[10:58] <hrw> some of them
[11:22] <fredim> This error happens when I install ubuntu10.10-netbook-arm
[11:22] <fredim> ubuntu-netbook-10.10-netbook-armel+dove
[11:23] <fredim> "Not omap EVM"
[11:27] <persia> fredim, You probably want to try to catch NCommander about that: I think he did most of the dove testing (and I don't know anyone else offhand who has dove)
[12:48] <zumbi_> persia: ubuntu-devel best choice or ubuntu-mobile.. i just want to invite/let know ubuntu-arm about emdebian sprint/worksession
[12:52] <persia> zumbi_, ubuntu-devel is probably best for that.
[12:52] <persia> ubuntu-mobile will likely go away soon enough.
[12:52] <persia> (as the flavours it discussed are no longer extant)
[13:00] <zumbi_> persia: ack, thanks :)
[13:06] <joolzg> afternoon fromuk
[13:07] <joolzg> got a problem, just installed ubuntu10.10 on my beagle board, system up but mouse and keyboard not working so i cannot get past the 1st welcome screen
[13:07] <joolzg> ive also tried a couple of mice but same outcome
[13:08] <joolzg> i know the keyboard works cause i have been playing with building new kernels
[13:09] <joolzg> forgot to say im using the Maverick build linked from wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <joolzg> anybody here, feel all alone :-)
[13:12] <ogra_ac> what beage version is that ?
[13:12] <ogra_ac> *beagle
[13:12] <ogra_ac> pre-C4 had USB issues iirc
[13:13] <joolzg> c4 version
[13:13] <ogra_ac> do you have a powered HUB attached ?
[13:13] <joolzg> yep, i started with the EBV Beagle Kit which comes with everything except keyboard and mouse
[13:14] <joolzg> as i said i have been running non-gui for over a week, so i know keyboard works
[13:14] <ogra_ac> which instructions exactly did you follow ? got  a link ?
[13:14] <joolzg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[13:15] <ogra_ac> ok, thats the official image
[13:15] <joolzg> it boots and runs but it fails to let me past the "System Configuration"
[13:15] <ogra_ac> do you properly boot with the initrd ?
[13:16] <ogra_ac> ah, if you see the oem config screen you should be fine wrt initrd
[13:16] <ogra_ac> did you try to reconnect mouse and kbd after X is up
[13:17] <joolzg> nope
[13:17] <ogra_ac> try that
[13:18] <joolzg> not working
[13:19] <ogra_ac> hmm
[13:19]  * ogra_ac hasnt heard of any such issues yet
[13:20] <joolzg> any way of getting the console up
[13:21] <ogra_ac> edit boot.scr before you do the first boot, during the resize the image should set up a serial getty
[13:28] <joolzg> im a bit new on this stuff so any more pointers please
[13:30] <joolzg> i just booted from another SD card which i can see "4 port hub found"
[13:30] <joolzg> and it shows in dmesg "CHESEN USB Keyboard"
[13:30] <joolzg> and
[13:31] <joolzg> "PIXART USB Optical Mouse"
[13:37] <joolzg> found it will turn on the serial and see what messages i get
[13:49] <joolzg> ive added in the console=ttyS2,115200n8 and nothingon console, should i try ttyS1
[14:06] <joolzg> right got console up and there are no messages after the console login message, the system continues to boot but will without USB Keyboard or Mouse
[14:06] <joolzg> i also cannot see any USB messages in the console output
[14:14] <suihkulokki> lool: any idea why ldconfig would not plunge into hwcap directories, but ld.so does (ie when no ld.so.cache is around)
[14:26] <lool> suihkulokki: Is your glibc/eglibc patched similarly than Ubuntu's?
[14:26] <lool> debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff
[14:27] <lool> suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu/eglibc/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff
[14:28] <lool> suihkulokki: In fact, I'm not even sure this is enough
[14:29] <lool> suihkulokki: Right; the patch has been broken in Ubuntu for some reason
[14:30] <suihkulokki> lool: thats not the problem.. I see ld.so crawl the directories and load hwcap libraries as expected
[14:30] <suihkulokki> the problem is ldconfig doesnt crawl them
[14:30] <lool> suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-toolchain/glibc-neon-and-misc-hwcaps/revision/214
[14:30] <lool> suihkulokki: Yes; that's the HWCAP_IMPORTANT thing
[14:31] <suihkulokki> without HWCAP_IMPORTANT ld.so doesn't crawl them
[14:31] <lool> well I remember reading through that code when patching for vfp and neon, and there were different sets for ldconfig and for ld.so
[14:32] <lool> ah debian/patches/arm/local-no-hwcap.diff is the other patch
[14:33] <lool> suihkulokki: Is this in a chroot with /proc mounted?
[14:33] <lool>   * Update patch arm/local-no-hwcap to also flag HWCAP_ARM_NEON as an
[14:33] <lool>     important hwcap; this adds /lib/neon, /usr/lib/neon etc. to the ldconfig
[14:33] <lool>     and ld.so search pathes.
[14:34] <lool>   * New patch, arm/local-hwcap-updates, add support for some recent ARM hwcaps
[14:34] <lool>     additions.
[14:34] <lool> So one of them is for the ldconfig cache, and the other is for ld.so and ldconfig; indeed it seems you should be seeing the same behavior for ldconfig and ld.so
[14:37] <lool> suihkulokki: Is this with ldconfig -r?
[14:38] <lool> suihkulokki: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11149 was "recently" fixed and apparently introduced a regression
[14:38] <ubot2> lool: Error: Could not parse XML returned by sourceware.org: timed out (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/xml.cgi?id=11149)
[14:41] <suihkulokki> lool: no -r option
[14:42] <lool> suihkulokki: Ok; then I'm out of ideas and would have to debug it
[14:42] <lool> I'm afraid I forgot most of the reading I did back then
[14:43] <lool> suihkulokki: I'm curious to hear for the issue when you've found it  :-)
[14:43] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you have this in a bug somewher?
[16:17] <GrueMaster> ogra: Friday's image fails to boot a second time.  Am planning to look into it further, but here is the boot log.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/535244/
[16:18] <rsavoye> Is the OpenGLES & OpenVG libraries in Natty accelerated or are they the Mesa versions ?
[16:18] <rsavoye> plus I was wondering if they were desktop only, as I was planing on using a framebuffer with no X11
[16:19] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, there were some X issues
[16:21] <hrw> rsavoye: mesa iirc provides only opengl not openles
[16:21] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: This is a kernel panic, and doesn't look X related.  I could be wrong, but I don't see any indication of X starting here.
[16:21] <ogra_ac> oh, k
[16:22] <rsavoye> hrw: actually there are OpenGLES1 & 2, plus OpenVG libraries for Mesa, I'm already using them
[16:22] <rsavoye> but eventually need to move them off the desktop and onto the real device
[16:22] <rsavoye> i.mx51 based
[16:23] <rsavoye> I assume I can use the ARM Mali libraries with Natty or Maverick ?
[16:23] <hrw> rsavoye: babbage?
[16:24] <rsavoye> nope, custom hardware
[16:24] <rsavoye> initially using the Freescale eval board
[16:24] <hrw> rsavoye: planning to use 2.6.35-fsl or other version?
[16:25] <rsavoye> right now they're using ltib for building images
[16:25] <rsavoye> but may move to Ubuntu
[16:30] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: Did the image builder crash?  Not seeing images since 20101119, and no email for omap4 imaages (blank email for omap only).
[16:31] <prpplague> ogra_ac: does your ac100 have touchscreen ?
[16:31] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, no, only the logging
[16:31] <ogra_ac> prpplague, nope
[16:31] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, ubuntu-netbook-default-settings was borked, fix went in today
[16:32] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[16:32] <prpplague> ogra_ac: how is it working out for you?
[16:32] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, i dont know how ubuntu-netbook will behave though
[16:32] <ogra_ac> so tomorrows build may still fail
[16:33] <ogra_ac> prpplague, using ubuntu without touchscreen on the ac100 ? works fine ;)
[16:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: sorry i meant in general, not specific to the touch part
[16:34] <ogra_ac> well, its works so so ... given that all power management, sound, button control etc is done in a proprietary tool in userspace i cant make full use of all the device features
[16:35] <prpplague> ogra_ac: have you seen the HP touchsmart units? they are x86, but i am curious what you think about the form factor:  http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchSmart-tm2-2150us-12-1-Inch-Argento/dp/B00429LI9W
[16:36] <prpplague> ogra_ac: it's one of those designs that folds down into a psuedo-tablet
[16:36] <ogra_ac> my laptop is such a device
[16:36] <ogra_ac> i dont use the touchscreen much
[16:38] <ogra_ac> http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=11149
[16:46] <ogra_ac> prpplague, to be honest i dont use my normal laptop much anymore, when i bought it it felt light any breezy but since i have the ac100 everything feels clunky, i even do tasks on the laptop only remotely from the ac100 atm
[16:47] <prpplague> ogra_ac: interesting
[16:48] <prpplague> never even heard of AVA before
[16:48] <ogra_ac> i guess if you ask macbook air users you will hear something similar from them
[16:49] <ogra_ac> the form factor is really intreaguing
[16:49] <ogra_ac> AVA is just an ODM, the OEM is Clevo for that laptop
[16:49] <ogra_ac> err, other way round ;)
[16:50] <ogra_ac> i bought mine as "nexoc"
[16:50] <prpplague> interesting
[16:51] <ogra_ac> (the ac100 is originally built by compal btw)
[16:51] <prpplague> the prices are certainly good
[16:52] <ogra_ac> yeah, its cheap and everything works out of the box with ubuntu, that were my critical points back then
[16:52] <ogra_ac> and you can upgrade every part of it (CPU, RAM, DIsk etc)
[16:53] <prpplague> hmm, this would be interesting with omap4 - http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=13877
[16:53] <ogra_ac> with laptops i usually buy some average standard and upgrade it after 1.2 years
[16:53] <ogra_ac> 1-2
[16:53] <ogra_ac> heh, toughbook like
[16:53] <prpplague> yea
[16:57] <hrw> prpplague: I would prefer 10-11" with >=1024x600 but needs to have hdmi out
[16:59]  * ogra_ac would prefer a pandaboard in the ac100 case ;)
[17:00] <prpplague> ogra_ac: already done that
[17:00] <ogra_ac> wooot ?!?
[17:00] <ogra_ac> a std panda ?
[17:01] <prpplague> minus the connectors
[17:01] <ogra_ac> wow
[17:01] <ogra_ac> indeed, minus the connectors ;)
[17:05] <prpplague> it was more of a proof of concept thing
[17:06] <ogra_ac> bah, do it in mass production !
[17:06] <prpplague> i thought about making a "retro fit kit"
[17:06] <ogra_ac> :)
[17:32] <prpplague> ogra_ac: http://www.frys.com/product/6280390?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[17:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: thats the netbook i used
[17:33] <ogra_ac> thats not an ac100 ;)
[17:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: yea i needed the room inside to shove a panda in
[17:34] <prpplague> ogra: if i did a nice pcb, i could get it down into a 7" netbook
[17:34] <ogra_ac> yeah, thats why i was so suprised you said ac100
[17:34] <ogra_ac> thats like 4x thicker than the ac100
[17:34] <ogra_ac> my gf has the same one sitting next to me
[17:34] <prpplague> ogra_ac: yea, if i were to do a custom pcb, i could get it pretty thin
[17:35] <ogra_ac> yup
[17:36] <prpplague> 7" seems too small to me
[17:36] <prpplague> 8.9" is about right
[17:37] <ogra_ac> board size you mean ?
[17:37] <prpplague> the smallest 1280x800 i've seen is 11.4"
[17:37] <prpplague> display
[17:37] <ogra_ac> ah, the ac100 is 10"
[17:37] <ogra_ac> and the MSI too (at least the one next to me)
[17:38] <prpplague> yea the choices for lvds displays right now are 7" , 8.9", 10.1", 11.6" and 12.1"  for netbooks
[17:38] <ogra_ac> who needs 1280x800 anyway
[17:38] <prpplague> 10.1" is the standard pers se
[17:38] <ogra_ac> as long as you lead the HDMI outside
[17:39] <prpplague> yea that is my thoughts as well
[17:39] <ogra_ac> 1024x600 is just fine for the internal display
[17:39] <prpplague> ogra_ac: but i get alot of end user feedback saying they want 1280x800
[17:39] <ogra_ac> well
[17:40] <prpplague> (note most end users have no clue what they actually need verses what they want)
[17:40] <ogra_ac> i doubt you will actually be able to tell the difference between a 1024x600 downscaled  and 1280x800 full HD movie
[17:40] <prpplague> indeed
[17:41] <ogra_ac> which is the only reason why i wuld want a 1280x600 LCD
[17:41] <ogra_ac> but then i would use a 50" TV via HDMI anyway :P
[17:50] <prpplague> hehe
[18:05] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/664431 needs some NEON testing (again)
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664431 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "QT on armel is built with NEON by default (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:06] <GrueMaster> What kind of testing do you need me to do?  Be aware I only have one pandaboard with me.  I can remote into my dove, but it is limited.
[18:10] <GrueMaster> I can do more thorough testing with the dove next week.
[18:12] <ogra_ac> well, as soon as you can then
[18:13] <ogra_ac> just install a QT app and try to run it (ssh -X will be fine too, you dont need to have a desktop installed)
[18:13] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'll see what I can do.
[18:13] <ogra_ac> and report back that you dont see a SIGILL
[18:13] <ogra_ac> no hurry, we have 10 days
[18:13] <ogra_ac> or so
[18:14] <ogra_ac> i asked some ac100 people too, but we need a test from a supported arch as well i think
[18:16] <GrueMaster> I can test the panda in a little bit.
[18:17] <ogra_ac> panda has neon
[18:17] <ogra_ac> i need a dove test once you are back home
[18:17] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Ok.
[22:08] <ogra_ac> ndec, !
[22:09] <ndec> ogra_ac: hi
[22:09] <ogra_ac> ndec, i'm waiting since a week to give you this link ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031860.html
[22:09] <ogra_ac> somehow i either forgot it or you werent around
[22:09] <ogra_ac> that has info about the linker changes
[22:10] <ndec> ogra_ac: hehe... thx!


[00:11] <xnox> lfaraone: my mental response is "do _not_ let me know how that works out for you" i hear enough whining as it is =))))
[00:15] <ajmitch> xnox: you don't like being blackmailed? :)
[04:46] <micahg> hyperair: can I assume when you mention looking into Diodon, that's to push to Debian?
[04:51] <hyperair> micahg: no, i meant for Ubuntu.
[04:51] <micahg> hyperair: would you mind pushing to Debian instead?
[04:51] <hyperair> micahg: i wouldn't mind, but are the build-deps satisfied?
[04:52] <hyperair> micahg: afaik that's the main issue, isn't it?
[04:52] <hyperair> diodon is primarily an indicator these days
[04:54] <micahg> ah, right, lacking unity
[05:01] <hyperair> micahg: i'll try looking into it. with a few patches i think it can make do with just the application indicator, which should work in Debian, i think.
[05:02] <hyperair> i recall enabling indicator support for alarm-clock-applet on Debian, and immediately got bug reports complaining about left click behaviour not working.
[05:02] <micahg> hyperair: ok, I thought it might be pushable as is, in this case, it makes sense to go into Ubuntu first and into Debian as time permits I think (but if it's really easy, why not :))
[05:03] <hyperair> micahg: well the part that depends on unity is the diodon lens.
[05:03] <hyperair> it might be possible to just exclude that
[05:03] <micahg> ah, if it was a configure option, that would be nice :)
[05:04] <hyperair> mmhm.
[05:05] <hyperair> but diodon's python if i'm not mistaken, so maybe it's a setup.py thign.
[05:05] <hyperair> no, it's native.
[05:05] <hyperair> okay, configure then. that'll be considerably easier to handle :-)
[16:24] <vibhav> micahg: Again, sorry for replying late. Yes feel free to take it :)
[16:25] <micahg> vibhav: thanks
[16:26] <vibhav> No problems, Im busy with exams these days
[19:13] <alo21> micahg, hi
[19:13] <alo21> hi everybody.
[19:15] <alo21> micahg, What should I answer to this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/1095521/comments/4
[22:09] <alo21> hi
[22:10] <alo21> I am fixing bug LP: #1095521
[22:11] <alo21> and the same bug was reported in debian, which has a patch. What should I do? Wait for a coming merge, or pick the patch in debian and attach it in LP?
[22:35] <micahg> alo21: if it's important to have for this release and a Debian upload isn't coming soon, we can upload the fix to Ubuntu (you take the Debian patch and add a changelog entry)
[22:35] <micahg> otherwise, wait for a Debian update and the last person to touch it should merge it (or you can ask them if you can merge it)
[22:39] <blkperl> Hi everyone, first time MOTU contributer, my branch has been sitting in the sponser queue for a while now, can someone take a look and give me some feedback? :)
[22:42] <p0s> blkperl: in general, on all channels on irc, asking whether you can ask does not make sense, nobody will answer that. just specify your full question right away and wait some time
[22:42] <jtaylor> the branch link would be helpful
[22:44] <blkperl> link is here https://code.launchpad.net/~blkperl/ubuntu/raring/collectd/merge-from-debian
[22:48] <blkperl> p0s: I was asking for feedback, not asking if I could ask a question but next time I'll leave out the background info and skip to the question
[22:49] <p0s> blkperl: yes you were asking for feedback but not providing the full information to give you the feedback
[22:49] <Laney> it's fine
[22:49] <p0s> blkperl: as jtaylor pointed out, the branch link would be helpful
[22:49] <Laney> no need to rag on him
[22:49]  * blkperl assumed you would search for blkperl in the sponser queue....
[22:49] <p0s> Laney, blkperl: just trying to give general advice on getting questions answered on irc, no insult :)
[22:50] <jtaylor> I'm lazy, clicking a link is easier than searching for my bookmark :/
[22:51]  * jtaylor needs dash search for bookmarks (in opera)
[22:54] <alo21> micahg, hhmmm.... as the last comment says in the bug report in LP, I sent the patch upstream. How should I set the bug?
[22:56] <micahg> alo21: triaged
[22:57] <alo21> micahg, and assignee it to nobody. right?
[22:58] <micahg> alo21: yeah
[22:59] <alo21> thanks
[23:00] <micahg> alo21: you might want to keep an eye on it if you want the change in raring
[23:01] <alo21> micahg, hhmmm. OK
[23:04] <alo21> micahg, but I think I have to test the patch. The problem is that the package has format 1.0
[23:05] <micahg> alo21: so, it should be an inline patch anyways, just apply it and make a new source package
[23:06] <alo21> micahg, this is the patch: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=21;filename=0001-util-linux-ffix-697881.patch;att=1;bug=697881


[01:35] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: try the regular xchat and not the gnome
[05:24] <TRAVISg_> Hello anybody home???
[05:30] <bkerensa> always
[14:41] <nathwill> test?
[14:41] <nathwill> hrm
[18:47] <bkerensa> nathwill: test
[18:48] <nathwill> sorry, was surprised to find myself already connected when i came into work
[18:50] <bkerensa> :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> nathwill: its ok to idle ;)
[18:51] <nathwill> haha
[18:51] <nathwill> i'm usually idle
[19:08] <travis_> hello all
[19:11] <TRAVISg> Hey there think I got his working
[20:56] <TRAVISg> hello all
[21:00] <bkerensa> ello
[21:01] <TRAVISg> does it take a really long time when you test the download servers in update manager?
[21:13] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: it shouldnt take more then a couple minutes depending on your connection speed
[21:13] <TRAVISg> weird I guess I am getting hung
[21:14] <TRAVISg> I will just go with UO that has been pretty fast
[21:15] <tgm4883> I've always had better luck with OSUOSL
[21:17] <bkerensa> speeds vary by how many people are downloading how big of a pipe they have and if its capped.... Notably some of the Oregon mirrors lag in updates so I use the main US Mirror
[21:18] <bkerensa> tgm4883: OSU OSL is one week behind in updates
[21:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:18] <tgm4883> bkerensa, OSUOSL has three sites around the country
[21:18] <tgm4883> bkerensa, interesting, they should be syncing every few hours I thought
[21:18] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you told anyone in #OSUOSL?
[21:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I am sure they are aware since I told their NOC team a few times now
[21:19] <bkerensa> it doesnt seem to be of big importance to them
[21:19] <bkerensa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.osuosl.org-archive
[21:20] <bkerensa> Its not just OSU though it seems the Oregon mirrors are constantly lagging behind on updates
[21:21] <tgm4883> Although I doubt it, maybe when we setup our mirror here we will make it public
[21:21] <bkerensa> tgm4883: here/where?
[21:21] <tgm4883> Chemeketa Community College
[21:21]  * bkerensa was considering seeing if a Ubuntu Oregon mirror might be possible
[21:21] <bkerensa> there would need to be enough support from the loco
[21:22] <bkerensa> tgm4883: That is cool if Chemeketa gets a pub mirror
[21:26]  * sbeattie doesn't believe the launchpad status page, looking at ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/.2/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-notifier/ , it has update-notifier packages that were only accepted into the archive at about 9am (PDT) this morning.
[21:26] <sbeattie> namely, update-notifier 0.119ubuntu2
[21:27] <bkerensa> oh tiaz is in our channel and the mirror person :LD
[21:27] <bkerensa> sbeattie: yeah OSU OSL says their mirror is up to date
[21:28] <tiaz> hi :)


[16:39]  * saidinesh5 waves at holstein :)
[16:40] <holstein> saidinesh5: o/ :)
[16:40] <saidinesh5> ssup holstein ?
[16:40] <holstein> not much
[16:40] <holstein> got a couple projects going on and a gig tonite :)
[16:40] <saidinesh5> oh btw. that drumming thing seems to work ......... or i ve been practising that 1 song a bit too much ...... or jst a bit of confidence boost :P
[16:40] <saidinesh5> Ah koooooooooll
[16:41] <saidinesh5> :)
[16:43] <holstein> thats how the pros do it
[16:43] <saidinesh5> :D
[20:55] <ailo_> scott-work, ping
[21:41] <scott-work> ailo_:  hello
[21:45] <ailo_> scott-work, I'm going to take a few days, maybe up to a week to focus on US. Did you set up a google doc thing yet?
[21:46] <scott-work> ailo_: no, work has been really, really busy lately
[21:46] <scott-work> i thought we would be through with reviews earlier in the week but i still ended up staying a couple of hours later each night this week
[21:49] <scott-work> today is the day the reviews are turned in so today _should_ be the last day :)
[21:49]  * scott-work is hoping to actually leave early today
[21:50] <ailo_> scott-work, I'll see what I can do during the week. There's a few things that need to be done after all
[21:50] <ailo_> scott-work, I'll let you know of my progress
[21:50] <scott-work> "after all"?
[21:50] <scott-work> not sure what you mean
[21:51] <ailo_> documentation, testing script, us-controls..
[21:52] <ailo_> scott-work, To rephrase - there are a few things that I have set out to do.
[21:53] <scott-work> oh, right
[21:53] <scott-work> gotcha
[21:53] <scott-work> :)
[21:53]  * ailo_ is dissasembling a laptop to try disable the mechanism that makes the computer go idle when you colse the lid
[21:56] <scott-work> can you do that in bios or operating system?
[21:56] <scott-work> not only were reviews happening (which also involved remote offices across the country) but i'm learning Pro/E while i'm also keeping up my production work :/
[21:57] <scott-work> it's been a very, very busy couple of weeks
[21:59] <scott-work> okay, going home :)
[22:02] <ailo_> Unfortunately the bios was too simple for that. The lid is broken somehow, and makes the computer go idle when the lid is open, so I decided either to try fix it or just disable it.


[02:58] <diddledan> me hungyr
[02:59] <zmoylan-pi> you in need of dictionary
[03:01] <diddledan> aye
[03:01] <diddledan> still hungyr tho
[03:01]  * zmoylan-pi passes diddledan my klingon dictionary
[05:54] <knightwise> mornin peeps !
[05:54] <diddledan> marnin
[05:54] <knightwise> Comin at ya from the recently upgraded windows 10 Surface pro 3
[05:54] <diddledan> \o/
[05:55] <knightwise> a little bit of step back if you ask me
[05:55] <diddledan> tech ftw!
[05:55] <knightwise> actually feeling like im using an older os; I miss the start screen (no kidding)
[05:55] <diddledan> you can reinstate that
[05:55] <diddledan> let me find the right dohicky
[05:55] <knightwise> I know. I'll play around a little with the new interface and get the hang of it.
[05:55] <diddledan> settings -> personalisation -> start
[05:56] <diddledan> there's a toggle for "use start full screen"
[05:56] <knightwise> thanx diddledan
[05:57]  * knightwise has to rearrage all his tiles now :p
[05:57] <diddledan> lol
[05:58] <knightwise> in all its not bad. Its a pretty clean upgrade. had a small issue yesterday with the lock screen but that got fixed after a reboot
[06:05] <knightwise> ok ,; bittorrent sync and a raspberry pi  ? Not a good combination
[06:06] <knightwise> The btsync process is eating away the cpu like crazy
[06:07] <knightwise> thinking of  running a "pull" rsync script instead
[06:54] <knightwise> There , Rsync script running. all I need to do now is to do the RSA key exchange and cron the script
[06:54] <knightwise> and then (hopefully) it will work
[07:03] <bujji> hello all
[07:04] <bujji> *****Happy System Admin Day*****
[07:06] <bujji> mappps: hello o/
[07:14] <knightwise> hey bujji ,
[07:14] <knightwise> Happy sys admin day
[07:15] <bujji> knightwise: hello))
[07:15] <bujji> thank you,you too))
[07:17] <bujji> knightwise:   o/ \o
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:00] <diddledan> m00
[08:01] <MooDoo> :)
[08:01] <xplora1a> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:02] <knightwise> ok , the new mail and calendar apps in W10 can give Apple a whooping.
[08:04] <MooDoo> knightwise: liking win10 are you?
[08:05] <knightwise> not too bad. I think the start button is a little bit of a step back .. But thats probably because i'm not on a desktop (Surface pro 3) in all they didn't do a bad job.
[08:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:15] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[08:20] <davmor2> so morning song this fine day Bat out of Hell
[08:21] <knightwise> Oh god !
[08:21] <knightwise> another one to get stuck in my head
[08:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:26] <Laney> davmor2: listening to desert island discs?
[08:27] <davmor2> knightwise: no idea what you mean
[08:28] <davmor2> Laney: nope, my wife went through her american cookbook and read out the word MeatLoaf and that was that I couldn't get bat out of hell out of my head then :)
[08:29] <Laney> lolz
[08:29] <Laney> it was one of the songs chosen on there
[08:29]  * bashrc is like a bat out of hell
[08:31] <davmor2> The sirens are screaming and the fire are burning way down in the valley tonight
[08:32] <davmor2> s/burning/howlin'
[08:47]  * popey tickles corenominal
[08:47]  * corenominal giggles
[08:53] <bigcalm> popey: the $1m addition was a fun surprise
[08:53] <popey> ya
[08:54] <bigcalm> Looks like we'll have plenty of card games for the RAT
[08:56] <bigcalm> popey: did you get the same cartoon as mine?
[08:56] <popey> ya
[08:56] <popey> but with my name on it :)
[08:56] <bigcalm> I hoped that was the case ;)
[08:57] <bigcalm> I wonder if somebody with the surname "James" got a cartoon saying "Jamess"
[08:57] <bigcalm> Or similar surname
[08:58] <bigcalm> I was honestly surprised to get post this morning
[09:00] <popey> yeah, me too
[09:01] <popey> got the "shipping soon" mail at 00:27 this morning
[09:01] <diddledan> o_O
[09:01] <bigcalm> Those that do not follow us on twitter have no idea what we're talking about
[09:01] <diddledan> indeed...
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy System Administrator Appreciation Day! 😃
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE_p5N89XQI
[09:07] <JamesTait> It's funny because it's true. ☺
[10:35] <ujjain> battered means like beaten up, right?
[10:36] <ujjain> not in the context of fish?
[10:38] <popey> or drunk
[10:38] <popey> "got completely battered last night"
[10:38] <popey> "the woman left her husband because she was battered by him"
[10:39] <popey> so could be  bothyes
[10:39] <davmor2> popey: but with a posh accent you can be anything and drunk.  "I went out last night and got completely Gazeboed"
[10:39] <popey> true dat
[10:40] <popey> trolleyed, spannered, there's loads
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: Michael McIntire fan much?
[10:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: maybe, I might have lots of stand up dvds
[10:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: Like all of eddie izzards, lots of bill bailey, franky boile etc etc etc
[10:43] <davmor2> boyle even
[10:45] <bigcalm> Only mentioned him because that's a quote of his - though he may have taken it from somebody else
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> obligatory frankie boyle richard hammond joke... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui5eUpF3iQQ
[10:55] <ujjain> haha gazeboed
[10:58] <davmor2> ujjain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2hyB_Eg6q8
[11:10] <diplo> Is there a way of removing chmod access to a user, my google fu is failing at the mo but still trying :)
[11:11] <popey> for their own files?
[11:11] <diplo> Yup
[11:11] <popey> why?
[11:12] <popey> seems like it would break things
[11:12] <diplo> Have an issue with people 777ing files
[11:12] <popey> so tell them
[11:12] <popey> you're trying to fix a meatspace problem with a technical solution
[11:12] <diplo> heh, I know right, simple
[11:12] <popey> educate them
[11:12] <diplo> Exactly my response
[11:12] <popey> scan the filesystem for 777 files and email them and their line manager when they screw up
[11:12] <diplo> I've tried, management suck at my place
[11:12] <popey> implement policy
[11:13] <popey> remove their shell access if they do it again
[11:13] <diplo> But as they are logging in as one user I can't say who it was
[11:13] <popey> oh dear
[11:13] <popey> fix that :)
[11:13] <diplo> Basically we have customer servers, we remote in as 1 user
[11:13] <popey> yeah, we have had that, we added a gateway box in the middle which they had to ssh through
[11:14] <popey> using their own account
[11:14] <popey> so we could see who went through the box
[11:14] <diplo> Rather than fix an issue correctly they just 777, just trying to work out a way of eithe rlogging it or removing access to them doing it
[11:14] <popey> i dont think thats a solution
[11:14] <diplo> I totally agree with what you're saying, it's just falling on deaf ears
[11:14] <popey> yeah
[11:14] <diplo> I'm trying to improve my problems
[11:14] <popey> i think you'd break stuff if you remove access to chmod
[11:14] <diplo> I don't either, but all the systems run as this user for our app
[11:14] <diplo> That's what I wanted to test :D
[11:15] <diplo> I'd rather deal with the problem people myself
[11:16] <diplo> I'm pretty sure I know who the few offenders are, I guess another way is to log access times on customer servers and log connections from our server and match them up so I have proof
[11:16] <diplo> Biggest problem working at a company who have staff who have worked since Assembly days of the software
[11:17] <diplo> I mean we're still running CentOS 4.8 on a huge amount of servers, we still have Redhat 8 boxes and SCO boxes, it's not just staff but customers too
[11:17] <popey> scan file permissions each day in a cron job - email you when one changes to 777 :)
[11:17] <diplo> All I ever want to do is bang my head on the table :/
[11:17] <diplo> I guess that's a good start yeah
[11:18] <bashrc> is that what sysadmins do all day?
[11:18] <diplo> Bang their heads on tables ?
[11:18] <bashrc> yes
[11:18] <diplo> It feels like it :)
[11:18] <bashrc> :)
[11:18] <popey> happy sysadmin day btw ;)
[11:19] <diplo> I'm implementing ansible currently locally, but got to get it okayed before I start deploying it
[11:19] <diplo> Oh that's today ?
[11:19] <bashrc> rather like being a developer, people only tend to contact you when something has gone wrong
[11:19] <diplo> I'm *supposed* to be a developer now adays
[11:20] <diplo> I haven't done any coding for maybe 6-8 weeks, fixing other issues
[11:21] <diplo> Our code is archaic, it doesn't conform to standards.. basically I'm trying to trace all the issues, propose fixes to stop Support calls
[11:23] <bashrc> maybe the problem is archaic code isn't worth maintaining, or costs more than rewriting it
[11:25] <diplo> yeah we're re-writing it currently, probably 30% in and being used
[11:27] <diplo> I'm just installing CentOS 4.8 in a VM to write a document about how to extend LVM / partition as no clear plans on installation / setup
[11:27] <diplo> Did it on 6 and wrote documentation, but 4.8 has an older kernel and doesn't allow resize2fs to work the same way etc
[11:27] <diplo> Sooooo much fun :(
[12:02] <Myrtti> Exploding Kittens!
[12:03] <bigcalm> Pfft, that was so 9am :P
[12:07] <popey> hah
[12:14] <Myrtti> ever so sorry I live in the middle of nowhere ;____;
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> no public transport to geet you to centre of wherever?
[12:17] <Myrtti> it's hardly the lack of public transport that makes the mailman come to our door with our copy of 'Kittens at 1300
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> that happens in cities too, at least in ireland
[13:02] <diddledan> and yeah. so talking in a dead channel doesn't get many responses :-p
[13:03] <diddledan> fyi, #ubuntu-podcast is quiet
[13:03] <diddledan> my virgin is dead
[13:03] <diddledan> I think it was a sacrifice
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> so no volcanos for a while at least
[13:37] <awilkins> New detail about that XPoint RAM stuff : http://www.computerworld.com/article/2954492/computer-hardware/that-new-3d-xpoint-memory-could-last-forever.html
[13:37] <awilkins> Apparently will cost more than DRAM (but that was obvious, even if it doesn't cost more to make, they're going to claim it does so they can price it more than NAND)
[13:37] <awilkins> Sorry, cost more than NAND
[13:38] <awilkins> I reckon it would make a great cache layer on spinning rust disks
[13:38] <awilkins> If it has that kind of longevity you wouldn't need to worry too hard about it expiring
[13:39] <awilkins> And I infer it doesn't have the same "page flash" mechanism of wiping, so it's write performance should be really good too.
[13:41] <daftykins> well from the other article it sounds like it'd be higher density so could just outright replace the lot
[13:41] <awilkins> Not as fast as DRAM
[13:41] <awilkins> And apparently not as good for density as stacked NAND - yet
[13:42] <daftykins> probably haven't done it in 3D yet
[13:42] <awilkins> Naah, it's 3D, they make a big thing of the 3D in the promo vid
[13:43] <daftykins> ah
[13:43] <awilkins> You can use one set of addressing wires to address two layers
[13:43] <awilkins> Well, one half a set
[13:44] <awilkins> INitial builds are apparently 128Gbit dies, that's a 2-layer
[13:44] <awilkins> Sounds like they have room at the bottom for the feature scaling and they can add layers
[13:45] <daftykins> yeah that's slower though
[16:52] <foobarry> anyone tried the talktalk family filter thing?
[16:52] <foobarry> does it block the whole of reddit or just certain sub reddits?
[18:27] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qtgij96saw40fb/IMG_20150731_192455.jpg?dl=0
[18:27] <daftykins> that thar xbox one streaming
[19:47] <shauno> it seems my microserver is probably in callais somewhere :(
[19:49] <daftykins> pesky French
[19:49] <daftykins> where on earth did you order from o0
[19:49] <shauno> amazon  lol
[19:49] <shauno> it went from spain to france, and now it has an "emergency" exception
[20:04] <foobarry> because of the blockades
[20:07] <foobarry> can non truckers get to france on eurotunnel too?
[20:07] <foobarry> have lego always done minecraft, or is it new?
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> I've installed *gasp* Debian on my main desktop
[20:11] <foobarry> gaspbian
[20:12] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: why on earth!? :)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I had it on my laptop already.. Jessie + some bits of Sid
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> it's quite good actuallyt
[20:16] <daftykins> i'm enjoying win10...
[20:16] <daftykins> :D
[21:06]  * diddledan wakes up
[21:06] <diddledan> my virgin resurrected herself while I was napping
[21:07] <mgdm> o_O
[21:08] <diddledan> mgdm: virgin broadband
[21:09] <diddledan> mgdm: my virgin was sacrificed earlier today and now it's alive again
[21:09] <mgdm> heh heh
[22:51] <Laney> speaking of virgin
[22:51] <Laney> my connection is somewhat knackered atm
[22:51] <diddledan> grr
[22:51] <Laney> new outbound connections often fail to establish
[22:51] <Laney> anyone else having this?
[22:52] <diddledan> I had trouble getting mysql downloaded earlier
[22:52] <Laney> like: http://paste.debian.net/287985/
[22:52] <Laney> run that
[22:52] <Laney> see if you get to 50
[22:53] <diddledan> I've got to 9 instantly and now it seems hunged
[22:54] <Laney> ruddy virgin
[22:54] <Laney> what are they playing at?
[22:54] <StevenR> Laney: I've noticed that they've been sucky over the last week or so
[22:55] <diddledan> ooh it just moved onto 27
[22:55] <Laney> I only noticed it today
[22:59] <diddledan> 43
[23:04] <diddledan> and finished
[23:15] <Myrtti> https://imgur.com/gallery/SeFWcO9 noticed this on BBC earlier today, surprised nobody else imgurified it yet so I did. https://imgur.com/gallery/SeFWcO9 Babby white lion cubs
[23:15] <Myrtti> oh.
[23:15] <Myrtti> double linkage
[23:22] <m0nkey_> they're like puppies!


[00:46] <efes> Hello ( :
[00:47] <efes> I'd like to create my local repository from read only branch. At the same time I'd like to create an another branch to keep my sources in different branch than project's main. Do I need "bind new branch to parent location" option?
[08:45] <vila> jelmer: I'm using bzr-gtk trunk (where bzr-notify has been removed). Yet, I get notifications (good) and those weird progress bars hanging around (bad).
[08:45] <vila> jelmer: It puzzles me that I still get notifications but can't find what I did to retain them across their removal from bzr-gtk trunk.... Any idea ?
[08:46] <vila> jelmer: wtf... 'bzr-notify is /usr/bin/bzr-notify' on raring ?
[08:48] <vila> ooohh, bzr installed system-wide relying on bzr-gtk installed system-wide, no wonder I couldn't find anything relevant when running bzr from sources, ok, thanks for the help :-D
[08:49] <vila> jelmer: and bzr-dbus getting in the middle of the mess right ?
[09:07] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I'm trying to create a new branch that is _not_ stacked on trunk. how can I do that?
[09:07] <Pegasus_RPG> (It contains a totally separate set of files but they're related to the main project)
[09:09] <Pegasus_RPG> Just doing bzr push lp:~me/project/newbranch keeps stacking it on lp:~me/project
[09:11] <vila> Pegasus_RPG: it's lp deciding to stack but that should be harmless for you, are you planning to stack on *another* branch at some point ?
[09:12] <vila> Pegasus_RPG: harmless as in: "since you're pushing revisions that are unrelated to the trunk ones, you don't use the trunk ones"
[09:13] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm not
[09:14] <Pegasus_RPG> okay, so nothing to worry about?
[09:14] <Pegasus_RPG> (bzr reconfigure --unstacked doesnt' seem to have any effect, BTW)
[09:14] <vila> Pegasus_RPG: if you *really* want to get rid of the stacking on your newly pushed branch you can (once it's created) do: <interrupt> no, nothing to worry </interrupt>
[09:14] <vila> bzr config -d lp:<new branch> --remove stacked_on_location
[09:15] <vila> bzr config -d lp:new branch> before and after the command above to ensure you get it right
[09:19] <Pegasus_RPG> ok thank you
[09:27] <jelmer> vila:yeah, there are a fair number of open issues with bzr-notify :-(
[09:28] <jelmer> vila: we discussed removing it altogether, did that not happen?
[09:28] <jelmer> vila: ah, r794
[09:29] <jelmer> probably hasn't made it into the debian/ubuntu package yet
[09:29] <vila> jelmer: I breifly tried to debug but couldn't find how to get a pdb prompt to understand who is spawning the progress bar. I have a vague feeling the fix is probably one line to tell the offending code to use a silent pb...
[09:29] <vila> jelmer: yup, that's my feeling as well, but since I'm stubborn sometimes I still like to be able to toy around with it ;)
[09:30] <vila> jelmer: so there are really two things: how to properly remove bzr-notify for everybody and how to make it available locally to me so I can fix it ;)
[09:31] <vila> jelmer: I'm of course a teeny bit more interested by the later but I won't mind helping for the former ;-D
[09:31] <jelmer> vila: for the first, get one of the debian packagers to merge a new upstream snapshot :)
[09:31] <jelmer> vila: for the second, I guess you can just reverse merge r794 ?
[09:32] <vila> jelmer: and uninstall the system-wide versions ?
[09:32] <vila> jelmer: and... I miss the step to activate it locally for my dbus session (instead of the system one)
[09:35] <jelmer> vila: using the local dbus session requires James Henstridge's bzr-dbus branch
[09:36] <vila> jelmer: lp:~jamesh/bzr-dbus/kill-broadcast-daemon ??
[09:38] <jelmer> vila: yeah, that'sit I think
[09:39] <vila> jelmer: ok, thanks, I know what/where to look next
[09:39] <jelmer> vila: I think there were conflicts if you try to merge it into lp:bzr-dbus trunk nowadays though
[09:40] <vila> jelmer: yup, I saw your review, thanks
[09:40] <vila> jelmer: I understand I new a bit more fluency with dbus and that may just be the right exercise
[09:51] <fullermd> Somehow, this puts me in mind of "I've been wanting to learn a bit more about conducting open-heart surgery, and these chest pains I've been having all week seem like the perfect opportunity!"
[09:53] <jelmer> fullermd: I'm not sure if a broken bzr-dbus is quite as life-threatening.
[09:54] <fullermd> But it's not as cool to dig into either.
[10:02]  * vila feels warmer reading fullermd writing about me and his heart ;)
[14:36] <jelmer> vila: Does bzr-dbus actually still work ?
[14:37] <vila> jelmer: err, I get notifications with the versions installed system-wide in raring, not sure that answers your question though ;)
[14:37] <jelmer> vila: I guess that is a yes.


[00:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5501ba98a6eb: reload button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5501ba98a6eb
[00:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeca27a2de5c1: Add description of save as button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeca27a2de5c1
 @HMollerCl [Do we have something about high dpi in the manual? @lynorian maybe this could co …], Hans we had something but I have not looked at high dpi for like this release
[00:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL28beebf215ff: Remove uneeded double space] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL28beebf215ff
[01:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL39098dfb5a80: Add left and right arrow buttons to lximage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL39098dfb5a80
[01:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8ace3c55a784: Add other ways to fullscreen pictures] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8ace3c55a784
 @HMollerCl  There is something else in that I had not considered was scaling thing like parition manager
[13:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T134: Calamares: Slideshow doesn’t show] ItzSwirlz (Joshua Peisach) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T134#2773
 pull request for multimonitor wallpaper support. https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/pull/1043
 OOOOOOOO
 phoda!!!
 Thanks! @HMollerCl for your work.
[19:24] <wxl> wow Hans, wow
 Also, @tsimonq2 you grammar nazi
[19:25] <wxl> spelling, to be fair
[19:25] <wxl> semantics and syntax are not the same
 grammar also. from my experience.
 But I apreciate it tho. afterall you are trying to help.
 Just messing here now.
 I'm abstaining from a proper review but I'll happily grammar nazi comments :)
 So grammar nazi is now a verb? Who knew?
 if @tsimonq2 is using it then it must be.
 Must be nice to be a developer….
 "release manager"
 where are your manners? :P
 If correcto those typos in the branch with a new commit, the new commit will be in the pr? Or I have to do something else
 @HMollerCl [pull request for multimonitor wallpaper support. https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm …], This is great Hans!
 *correct
 Though, to be fair, as a wordsmith I have 'altered' language on many occasions to suit my needs…  … And I heartily apologize for misrepresenting the might Oz…. I mean @tsimonq2
 @HMollerCl [If correcto those typos in the branch with a new commit, the new commit will be …], Correct it by pushing a commit to the branch that is the origin for the PR
 @Dreamingwolf [Though, to be fair, as a wordsmith I have 'altered' language on many occasions t …], *mighty
 @Dreamingwolf [Though, to be fair, as a wordsmith I have 'altered' language on many occasions t …], 😆
 XD
 @tsimonq2 [Correct it by pushing a commit to the branch that is the origin for the PR], done
 looking at https://ci.lubuntu.me/ all stable_libfm-qt are building ok but al unstable_libfm-qt are not. Is hat a trend?
 *that
 @kc2bez ^
[19:40] <kc2bez> Somewhat, yes. Stable stays the same and is based on the last merge, unstable is the tip of the git master.
[19:40] <kc2bez> It really depends on how much upstream changes.
 but what is the difference between bionic_Stable and bionic_unstable?
 shouldn't bionic be since months stable?
 It's the same code but built with a bionic base
 All of the code for unstable is the same regardless of the release
 It just depends on the toolchain etc.
 Does that make sense?
 mmm, giving that, it doesn't make sense to me to have bionic_unstable...
 now.
 good point I don't even see bionic branch in phab
 I'm more than willing to remove that :)
 I doubt anyone is using it
 I do that by SSHing into the box, su jenkins, cd ~/jobs/ (or similar), and rm -rf *bionic*
 Remove the release from our config in Git, regen jobs from disk in the Jenkins UI, and remove the Bionic packages from the PPAs
 I don't know that this is documented anywhere but it should be
 I'd be willing to walk someone through for bus factor purposes :)
 We should definitely go through it and I am willing to help. (maybe not right this moment but yeah)
 Sounds good
 I'd also like to walk someone through the release process around release day. Whether that person becomes assistant release manager is up to them :)
 @HMollerCl back to the differences between unstable and stable, I don't know offhand but you would have to do a diff on the branches to see.
 thanks @kc2bez I was trying to se why libfm-qt failed in unstable, and since it failed i all, I thought it could something more systemic...
 it may very well be. I don't know for sure but it probably needs an updated symbols file because upstream has changed.
 (hint: it does for sure)
 it is absolutely why the build failed according to the log.
 I know nothing about symbol files but in my focal libfm-qt builds w/o problem.
 https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html "Handling missing symbols"
 If you have questions after reading that, please ask :)
 Bumping SONAME only needs to be done once every archive upload
 So e.g. if 1.0 bumps SONAME and in CI you have multiple reasons to bump it, only bump it once before your next archive upload
 (e.g. 1.1}
 If any part of that doesn't make sense, let me know (it can help me explain it more effectively for the next person that needs to know)
 It doesn't make any sense to me at this moment. I need to read more to understand it.
 thanks!
 Thanks, let me know :)
 @HMollerCl [It doesn't make any sense to me at this moment. I need to read more to understan …], Feel free to experiment in the unstable branch
 @tsimonq2 [I'd also like to walk someone through the release process around release day. Wh …], wxl: go apply. :P
[20:34] <wxl> been there, done that
 Nothing against wxl because he's my backup right now and I took over this position from him, but we need fresh blood :)
 I know wxl is more than capable