[04:59] <paulproteus> paul_: Did you do "sudo su - " ?
[04:59] <paulproteus> You should notice now that the prompt changed from "$" to "#".
[04:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, so I shouldn't bother with Kerb?
[04:59] <paul_> yes
[04:59] <wesw> or use synaptic and pic select packages
[04:59] <paulproteus> That's because you're now root, and can do absolutely anything.  You won't get permission denied anymore.
[04:59] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: I agree with that sentiment.
[04:59] <g14> paul_: Don't do sudo su -, do sudo -s, it will work faster because it doesn't have to load the environment twice
[05:00] <kane> crimsun:  do you what to make deb for gnomeradio
[05:00] <paul_> man this all to confusing
[05:00] <wesw> it's different.  it's not too bad.  were here to help
[05:00] <paul_> id like to shoot the dipshit who came up with the idea for no root user
[05:00] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: If you want to ask me specific questions about LDAP stuff, please go ahead.
[05:01] <g14> paul_: It is a great idea securitywise
[05:01] <paulproteus> I haven't set up SSL yet, but I imagine it won't be too much trouble.
[05:01] <kane> paul sudo passwd root
[05:01] <crimsun> kane: I'd use cdbs
[05:01] <paulproteus> (Side note: "sudo passwd" is equivalent to "sudo passwd root".)
[05:01] <paul_> been there done that, still cant edit or do shit with apache
[05:02] <kane> crimsun:  its for tunner card not net radio
[05:02] <shad0w1e> didnt help, my fonts are still giant
[05:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, I'd love your help, but I don't have time to start that project tonight.
[05:03] <paulproteus> Okay.  If you'd like, feel free to send me an email - I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.
[05:03] <crimsun> kane: sure, and I'd use cdbs
[05:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, Do you know of any good online guides to setting LDAP up?
[05:03] <wesw> shad0wle, what did you try?
[05:03] <g14> FlyingSquirrel32: I believe there is on at google.com
[05:03] <paul_> how do i create a root account so i can config apache?
[05:03] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: I didn't find anything that really felt satisfying, so I wrote up what all I did.
[05:03] <g14> paul_: Scroll up, they already told you
[05:03] <wesw> paul_ root account exits already, but you have to sudo your password to access it
[05:04] <paul_> well why cant i log into root after i do that, which ive already done
[05:04] <paulproteus> paul_: You have to be specific.  What command do you type, and what do you get in response?  What do you expect to see?
[05:04] <nickrud> eh, I'll learn someday, sorry paul_
[05:04] <paul_> i expect to go in through the menu and config apache thru the gui
[05:04] <wesw> paul_ no error message typically means the command was accepted
[05:05] <benplaut> anyone found a fix to the "kernel panic- not syncing" problem yet?
[05:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, where can I find your notes?
[05:05] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: http://www.grennan.com/ldap-HOWTO.html isn't bad.
[05:06] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: http://wiki.acm.jhu.edu/moin/MovingToLdap is my notes.
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> Great. That will help a lot.
[05:06] <benplaut> i hate working on mepis live...
[05:06] <paul_> i have already done the sudo passwd command in terminal, but i cant log in as root user so i can edit my apache config
[05:06] <paulproteus> paul_: What do you type to "log in as root user"?
[05:07] <paul_> root
[05:07] <wesw> should be 'su'
[05:07] <paul_> and pw
[05:07] <paulproteus> You should be typing "su".  After you enter the root password, do you get an error message?
[05:07] <paul_> on the login screen at post
[05:07] <incubii> Set me up the super user
[05:07] <paulproteus> Ah-hah.
[05:07] <paulproteus> I believe that root cannot log in by the GNOME Display Manager.
[05:07] <paulproteus> (I think.  Can anyone else check this?)
[05:07] <wesw> correct
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> paulproteus: not by default
[05:07] <wesw> gui root disabled by default
[05:08] <incubii> you can set it up to do that though
[05:08] <paul_> grrrr
[05:08] <wesw> yes
[05:08] <wesw> paul_ it is actually a good security move
[05:08] <paulproteus> paul_: Are you using GNOME?  If so, you should find a "Super-User Terminal" option in your menus; that will launch a terminal program that runs as root while you're logged in as an unprivileged user.
[05:08] <paul_> bullshit
[05:08] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install clamav
[05:08] <kane> hey suse is that why also so stop bitching
[05:08] <nickrud> paul_, if you truly cannot login to a VT with your root password, you've done something wong
[05:08] <wesw> lol....wtf
[05:08] <paulproteus> nickrud: It's GDM he can't log into.
[05:08] <runelind> I'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work
[05:09] <nickrud> lol
[05:09] <tritium> paul_, what was that for?
[05:09] <paul_> im going back to xandros, too much bs in ubuntu
[05:09] <runelind> and when I try to connect I get Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory
[05:09] <paulproteus> Oh, well.    Was your question really that easy. :)
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> yea
[05:10] <wesw> and here i though Ubunut is really and honestly one of the easiest linux distros ever
[05:10] <wesw> ?
[05:10] <paulproteus> Hooray! :)
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> the next one won't be lol
[05:10] <paulproteus> wesw: Old habits die hard.
[05:10] <matt_> newbie question... why ubuntu "better" than debian, fedora, or mepis?
[05:11] <wesw> paulproteus i suppose
[05:11] <incubii> eww fedora
[05:11] <nickrud> wesw, it is, just right now everyone's talking about it's debian roots
[05:11] <paulproteus> matt_: It's better than Debian for desktops because of the frequent release cycle and the focus on getting a good desktop experience on three architectures rather than all thirteen or whatever that Debian supports.
[05:11] <Church_of_FoamY> after i install do i need to run it or is it automated?
[05:11] <wesw> matt_ not better for all.  different.  i like it as well as debian, but easier to use
[05:11] <clay> ubuntu is more up to date than debian
[05:11] <paulproteus> matt_: Better than Fedora because Ubuntu packages so much software.
[05:12] <Tezkah> ubuntu = debian sid made stable every 6 months
[05:12] <wesw> fedora is a pain to update
[05:12] <Tezkah> its beautiful
[05:12] <paulproteus> matt_: Better than MEPIS because (this is a big issue) Ubuntu focuses on delivering an *integrated*, working desktop.
[05:12] <wesw> and lots of packages were broken required for my hardware
[05:12] <wesw> but to each his/her own
[05:12] <paulproteus> In MEPIS, you have XMMS for music playing.
[05:12] <paulproteus> A GTK1 interface.  It's ancient and horrid looking.
[05:12] <nickrud> paulproteus, got that
[05:13] <clay> the only reason i left debian years ago was because it was always out of date
[05:13] <paulproteus> In MEPIS, you have xpdf for PDF viewing.  It looks like total trash.
[05:13] <clay> now that ubuntu is constantly updated, its good again :D
[05:13] <wesw> clay, why not follow testing or unstable then?
[05:13] <paulproteus> Ubuntu's polished GNOME desktop has GPDF and Rhythmbox, which integrate well and share a look-and-feel.
[05:13] <paulproteus> (For example.)
[05:13] <Church_of_FoamY> so how do you run clam av is it automated
[05:13] <clay> testing or unstable is not good for production machines
[05:13] <incubii> KDE and Amarok
[05:13] <incubii> yeah baby
[05:13] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: Well, you do know there are no viruses for Linux, right?
[05:13] <clay> i also didn't want to spend hours fixing it when unstable broke
[05:13] <matt_> good to hear. great answers...
[05:13] <clay> which was often
[05:13] <incubii> Rythmbox is nice too
[05:13] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what i herd ^_^
[05:13] <wesw> nor is ubuntu buy that measure [in theory]
[05:14] <Tezkah> paulproteus: there is a virus for Linux
[05:14] <nickrud> clay, I do enjoy the change
[05:14] <Tezkah> its called... GNOME
[05:14] <psychonate> lol
[05:14] <clay> and back then, there was no testing :)
[05:14] <incubii> lol Tezkah
[05:14] <paulproteus> Tezkah: It's called... rhythmbox. :)
[05:14] <clay> only stable and unstable
[05:14] <Church_of_FoamY> hey nothing wrong with gnome
[05:14] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: clamav only catches Windows viruses, as I understand.
[05:14] <wesw> unstable and waaay unstable?
[05:14] <Tezkah> XFCE is GNOME but oh so much more loveable
[05:14] <incubii> its called XF86Config
[05:14] <Daehlie> rythmnbox needs to reverse engineer the itunes sharing protocal so that I would love it more
[05:15] <nickrud> I installed woody floppies directly to unstable, but, I spent a looot of time fixiing it
[05:15] <Church_of_FoamY> another fuckup from the wonderfull world of microsoft
[05:15] <paulproteus> Daehlie: Actually, it's already reverse-engineered.
[05:15] <matt_> I'm guessing I'll need to use the dniswrapper to get my wifi pcimca working like i did in Xandros... didn't detect it automatically
[05:15] <paulproteus> The rhythmbox developers need more ambition.
[05:15] <anto9us> matt_: yes, it's in the main repository
[05:15] <Daehlie> well they need to forward engineer the reverse engineering
[05:15] <kane> i have to deb here crimsun
[05:15] <paulproteus> Daehlie: Right-on. :)
[05:16] <kane> s/to/the
[05:16] <Church_of_FoamY> <-----regesterd linux user (did it today yay!)
[05:16] <wesw> has the naked calendar stuff been outlawed yet by the art developers?
[05:17] <wesw> semi, okay....but business is business [desktops]
[05:17] <ice_1963> when you get on top lol
[05:17] <ice_1963> one
[05:20] <incubii> registered, to what ?
[05:20] <nickrud> anyone need help getting java installed :)
[05:20] <incubii> java PPC would be nice ;)
[05:20] <Daehlie> i believe ubuntu has a faq for that not
[05:20] <Daehlie> now
[05:20] <nickrud> incubii, does sun have it?
[05:21] <matt_> can i access my c drive ntfs on ubuntu?
[05:21] <incubii> nope
[05:21] <incubii> :D
[05:21] <nickrud> heh
[05:21] <wesw> matt_ yes
[05:21] <matt_> thx
[05:21] <wesw> np
[05:21] <wesw> ntfs is scarily unsecure
[05:21] <daniels> wesw: the calendar is not used by default
[05:21] <incubii> blackdown does apparently
[05:21] <Ignacio_> which p2p program (as emule) can I use with ubuntu?
[05:22] <incubii> but java doesnt offer anything worth while installing it
[05:22] <wesw> daniels, thanks...been awhile since i've done a fresh install
[05:22] <matt_> My xp system has had two dozen plus trojans, spywarez, and viri on it...  I've tried Xandros this weekend, and just now am trying ubuntu... looks good
[05:23] <nickrud> incubii, but i kept hearing it, so, I got one
[05:23] <paulproteus> matt_: That's covered in the ubuntuguide at ubuntuguide.org .
[05:23] <incubii> lol
[05:23] <incubii> its just like flash and shockwave
[05:23] <_kevin> in the near future will linux be able to write to NTFS paritions, or are their some kind of copyright laws protecting write on NTFS
[05:23] <incubii> any site ive come across that uses that shit you dont need anyway
[05:23] <Ignacio_> there is any start up guide of ubuntu?
[05:24] <nickrud> incubii, :)
[05:24] <wesw> _kevin not legal i've heard of only possibly corruption if written to
[05:24] <wesw> not legal problem that is
[05:24] <incubii> captive ntfs
[05:24] <rm3m> excuse me, what's the protocol here about asking questions? I'm new here.
[05:24] <_kevin> just ask
[05:24] <wesw> just blurt it out rm3m
[05:25] <tritium> rm3m, you're always free to ask questions :)
[05:25] <rm3m> thanks. FYI, just installed Ubuntu a couple of days ago on a 333 MHz iMac (5-flavor, i.e., 2nd generation model) with 96 MB RAM.
[05:25] <wesw> newbies:  another good source http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:25] <rm3m> Not fast, but then, neither was OS 9!
[05:26] <benplaut> any fix yet to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem after upgrading the kernel?
[05:26] <tritium> rm3m, nice!
[05:26] <paulproteus> rm3m: Rock on.  (iBook G4 here.)
[05:26] <rm3m> I have it talking to my G5 OS X Mac and vice versa.
[05:26] <wesw> benplaut second time i've seen your question.  still i don't know anything about that panic.  is it specific to your hardware?
[05:27] <paulproteus> benplaut: Um, switch back to your old kernel? ;)
[05:27] <rm3m> BUT... I've got a networked GCC 608 Elite printer (IP address) and a shared Epson C84.
[05:27] <Tezkah> I'm quite pleased with Ubuntu, debian testing didn't do powernow properly on my laptop... overheated twice before I gave up... now ubuntu is keeping it cooler than Windows =)
[05:27] <benplaut> paulproteus: i was using the ubuntu update manager frontend, and it didn't create a backup... stupid of me...
[05:28] <rm3m> I can "see" them on the network, but don't know how to get printers set up properly. Could be I can't get the right drivers, but I just don't know how to install.
[05:28] <benplaut> wesw: well, just a pretty much standard IBM Thinkpad T40
[05:28] <X7C> i installed ubuntu on my printer and send stuff through my cellphone.........
[05:28] <rm3m> Anyone know how to do this? (I know, it should be pretty stock stuff)
[05:28] <ukato> hello everyone, if i'm like brand new to linux/ubuntu, do i need to go somewhere to ask questions, or can i ask them here?
[05:28] <wesw> benplaut have you tried your previous kernel or safe mode?
[05:29] <wesw> ukato ask here if you like
[05:29] <tritium> rm3m, did you try using Sytem->Administration->Printing
[05:29] <benplaut> wesw: there is no option to boot into the previous kernel
[05:29] <benplaut> i'll try safe mode... i think i did already
[05:29] <_kevin> which desktop system has more development and support and is overall better ubuntu with gnome or kubuntu with kde?
[05:29] <tritium> benplaut, you're referring to the security update from earlier today?
[05:29] <Church_of_FoamY> aperson is bo longer aperson
[05:29] <Tezkah> ubuntu is more stable
[05:29] <benplaut> tritium: yes
[05:29] <Tezkah> kubuntu is still in testing
[05:29] <wesw> benplaut, there should be shortly after restart.  you'll have to watch tht screen carefully and hit escape when prompted
[05:30] <rm3m> or point me at the right docs. Yes, I did go into Admin -> printers
[05:30] <_kevin> well i was asking more about gnome vs kde
[05:30] <tritium> benplaut, I've not heard of any problems with it
[05:30] <ukato> ok, well, all i've used is windows, and i downloaded a third party program to install on my ubuntu system
[05:30] <twobitsprite> when I run "cdrecord -checkdrive" I get "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[05:30] <ukato> it came in a .deb file
[05:30] <benplaut> wesw: yes, i know... i've been through lots of problems with grub already :)
[05:30] <ukato> and i don't know what to do with it
[05:30] <wesw> benplaut, also LCD screens are often slow to refresh and may delay long enough you don't see the prompt
[05:30] <griffonz> anyone point me in the right direction for getting XViD/DiVX files playing via mplayer or similar?
[05:30] <wesw> benplaut, okay
[05:30] <Tezkah> ukato: a third party program for Linux?
[05:30] <ukato> tezkah mhm
[05:31] <Tezkah> what format is it in?
[05:31] <ukato> tezkah, .deb
[05:31] <Tezkah> all right
[05:31] <abarbaccia> griffonz, check the ubuntuguide
[05:31] <Tezkah> "sudo dpkg -i program.deb"
[05:31] <tritium> ukato, you can use dpkg to install .deb files you install, but be careful, since it's not from an ubuntu repository
[05:31] <Tezkah> yeah, be wary
[05:31] <wesw> benplaut, dare to reinstall?  i've don't it about a dozen times before i finally cracked the codes to keeping it configured right.  i'm sure someone with more experience there would be of more help though.
[05:31] <kane> dpkg -i (file name)
[05:31] <rm3m> it's open now, and "sees" both printers
[05:31] <ukato> well, if it's from a reputable provider it's not a big deal, right
[05:31] <benplaut> wesw: last resort, but i might have to
[05:32] <Tezkah> usually, if its compatible with ubuntu
[05:32] <wallflower> my install stoped @ 25% "Setting up primary installation repository..."
[05:32] <wallflower> should i just wait?
[05:32] <benplaut> i g2g2dinner, so if anyone else has wisdom in this matter
[05:32] <benplaut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573
[05:32] <ukato> anything that's compatible with debian should be compatible with ubuntu, correct?
[05:32] <tritium> ukato, it depends on how carefully the packager follows the debian policy, really
[05:32] <kane> ukato:  just make sure you have all the libs it need
[05:32] <paulproteus> ukato: "Pretty much."
[05:32] <wesw> benplaut, also don't chmod your / root filesystem....one of my greatest learning snafus!
[05:32] <ukato> a lib?
[05:32] <ukato> system library, right
[05:33] <mebaran151> how do you include a bind mount in fstab
[05:33] <Tezkah> don't rm -rf your / either
[05:33] <tritium> ukato, what is it, exactly?
[05:33] <kane> library
[05:33] <ukato> tritium, the program?
[05:33] <ukato> skype
[05:33] <kane> yes
[05:33] <mebaran151> tritium, how do I include a bind mount in fstab
[05:33] <tritium> mebaran151, a bind mount?
[05:33] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Here's the cool kids' way. ;)
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 1. Mount it.
[05:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:34] <mebaran151> you know
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 2: Look in /etc/mtab for the line that mentions it.
[05:34] <mebaran151> mount --bind /dir /dir2
[05:34] <egg|hardened> hey all
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 3: Copy that line verbatim to /etc/fstab.
[05:34] <mebaran151> oh paulproteus you are clever
[05:34] <phutter> this may be a dumb question, but is it possible to write to an NTFS partition?
[05:34] <nootrope> hello people
[05:34] <Church_of_FoamY> so kubuntu is still in testing?
[05:34] <matt_> (nuB comment) although linux is more secure, it must be a hassle to use and set up. it appears so damn complicated to do everything....
[05:34] <wesw> phutter, possible, yes.  suggested, no.
[05:34] <crimsun> phutter: not by default
[05:34] <phutter> i hate to admit it, but i still have a windows partition
[05:35] <crimsun> Church_of_FoamY: no, it released with ubuntu
[05:35] <tritium> mebaran151, I've never used --bind, but I believe it should be as paulproteus explained
[05:35] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[05:35] <tritium> hello crimsun
[05:35] <mebaran151> tritium
[05:35] <paulproteus> tritium: Try it sometime.  You can warp your idea of the filesystem real fast. :)
[05:35] <mebaran151> makes sense the way it does it
[05:35] <cody> hey
[05:35] <wesw> matt_ not hard, just different.  easy once you get used to it
[05:35] <rm3m> the printers show in the window and say they're ready, but if I print a test page, it disappears right away from the status page, and the Printers window show the printer "Ready" with "1 jobs" and the printer does nothng.
[05:35] <mebaran151> I use --bind
[05:35] <mebaran151> when I cant symlink something
[05:35] <ukato> tritium, when i do "sudo dpkg -i (filename).deb" do i need a full filename
[05:35] <mebaran151> because it contains symlinks
[05:35] <nootrope> i tried to boot up the Live CD of Hoary... just now. it failed to load the "preset session" does that make any sense ot anyone?
[05:35] <tritium> paulproteus, I suppose if I need to, I will ;)
[05:35] <cody> i have a Q if anyone can help me
[05:35] <wesw> matt_ i bet you've had years of exposure to other OS though
[05:36] <tritium> ukato, yes, specify the full path to the file
[05:36] <ukato> ohhh
[05:36] <ukato> okay
[05:36] <ukato> cool something happened
[05:36] <ukato> it says "libqt3c102-mt" is not installed
[05:36] <ukato> is there an easy way to grab that
[05:36] <matt_> wesw  very true... I've liked discovering apt-get.  Xandros had xandros networks for easy installation.
[05:37] <kane> ukato:  i believe it in qt-devel
[05:37] <tritium> ukato, yes, it's available in the repos
[05:37] <wesw> matt_ i've only moved from windows to linux last august, and won't be looking back!
[05:38] <ukato> what's the command to download it
[05:38] <Tezkah> "sudo apt-get install *package name*"
[05:38] <tritium> ^^^
[05:38] <ukato> okay thanks
[05:39] <kane> ukato:  its part of a big package
[05:39] <matt_> wesw good to hear.  Its weird. I've been wanting to move into opensource for years but it's always been way to complated to get a working system up
[05:39] <tritium> ukato, i.e., "sudo apt-get (or aptitude) install libqt3c102-mt"
[05:39] <Church_of_FoamY> hey me and my freinds where having a discussion today it wen't like this:
[05:39] <Church_of_FoamY> when you get a harddrive it wieghs a certain amount
[05:39] <wesw> matt_ there certainly is a learning curve!  however, don't fret, the community is great and Ubunto is a good distro to start with
[05:39] <ukato> does ubuntu handle the superuser differently than most distros
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> when you put data on it does it weigh more?
[05:40] <Tezkah> no
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: yes and no
[05:40] <ukato> it didn't ask for a root password creation
[05:40] <Tezkah> Church_of_FoamY: would a 0 weigh more than a 1?
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: ubuntu essentially works with and ecnouranges use of the 'sudo' command
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> would it?
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: 'sudo' will run a command as root
[05:40] <tritium> ukato, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:40] <ukato> so, just use sudo whenever i'd use root?
[05:40] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, no, of course not ;)
[05:41] <Church_of_FoamY> i was thinking maybe on a quantum level
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> Church_of_FoamY: it's mass cannot change unless you add matter, it's that simple
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: yep
[05:41] <mebaran151> why am I supposed to bind moutn?
[05:41] <ukato> oh alright
[05:41] <mebaran151> oh I used it also in a network setting once
[05:41] <mebaran151> forgot why
[05:41] <ukato> thanks
[05:41] <mebaran151> it is a dirty way to mess things up
[05:41] <ukato> so, where do i access all my programs from
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> what do you mean?
[05:41] <kane> Church_of_FoamY:  its only a - or + charge
[05:41] <mebaran151> can I bind mount over a partition
[05:41] <ukato> well
[05:41] <matt_> wesw what I see so far looks really solid!  the installation was worrying me with all the text info during install, that it would be too technical of distro.  But I like that ppl say it's regularly updated and lots of software ready to install.
[05:41] <mebaran151> like if I have a 20 GB parition
[05:42] <mebaran151> and a 5 GB
[05:42] <Church_of_FoamY> but when you change a 0 to a 1 arn't you adding matter in the for of electricity?
[05:42] <mebaran151> and I want them both to contain /movie
[05:42] <mebaran151> can I do that
[05:42] <ukato> i don't know anything but windows, but there's a program files folder
[05:42] <ukato> what's the equivalent to that
[05:42] <mebaran151>  /usr
[05:42] <kane> Church_of_FoamY:  no
[05:42] <nootrope> please advise how to get the Live CD to boot up. it fails to the installation menu after hanging at 26% while installing Language
[05:42] <mebaran151> is sort of close
[05:42] <ukato> hm
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> Church_of_FoamY: the storage is about magnetic alignment, not electricity
[05:42] <ukato> so if i just installed something
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: there isn't
[05:42] <Church_of_FoamY> what do you need to know about windows
[05:42] <Tezkah> nootrope: a "LiveCD" doesn't install anything
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: most likely you could just run 'programname' on the command line
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> weard  i was thinking it would lol
[05:43] <ukato> oh really?
[05:43] <nootrope> selscting the next step in the installation, something about a "preloaded session" fails again and again
[05:43] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, no, it's magnetic, for one thing.  You're just changing magnetic properties, not adding any mass
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: either that or it'll be in the menu
[05:43] <ukato> damn, that was cool.
[05:43] <Tezkah> you may be using the install disk
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok that makes sence
[05:43] <Tezkah> what language are you using?
[05:43] <lampshade> even if it was electrical, you usually don't remove protons...  just electrons on and off
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> sense, not sence
[05:43] <nootrope> it calls it installation nonetheless Tezkah
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> hmmm
[05:43] <nootrope> English
[05:43] <matt_> Any tips how to put a link under "places" to my other partitions?
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what a freind was sayin lol
[05:44] <Tezkah> nootrope: so how did you get the CD?
[05:44] <nootrope> i d.l-ed the Live disc
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> damn i though i was thinking something neat lol
[05:44] <Tezkah> matt_: mount your other partitions under /places/space1 ?
[05:44] <ukato> ok
[05:44] <ukato> one more question
[05:44] <nootrope> d/lfro the ubuntu site, Tezkah
[05:44] <Tezkah> nootrope: the livecd should just boot to a GNOME (?) desktop
[05:44] <ukato> my windows aren't flashing when something happens, like i get a message in GAIM
[05:44] <Tezkah> it shouldn't try to install anything
[05:44] <ukato> can i fix that
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> you say tomato i say tomato ok lol
[05:45] <Tezkah> ukato: go into gaim, plugins -> message notification
[05:45] <lampshade> ukato:  Actually I think there is an options in your options for it.  Ubuntu might have it off by default
[05:45] <Church_of_FoamY> and i spelt that wrong to lol
[05:45] <Tezkah> "set window URGENT hint"
[05:45] <Tezkah> check it off
[05:45] <paulproteus> In GNOME, window flashing does not work for now.
[05:45] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, "too" even ;)
[05:45] <nootrope> it tries, i guess, but fails to the "installation menu" after hanging for a while at the step when it tries to raise the language support.
[05:45] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[05:46] <paulproteus> There is a patch you can install that does make it work - see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10594
[05:46] <paulproteus> It's a pain, and I wish GNOME would just fix it.
[05:46] <nootrope> Tezkah, i d/l-ed this file: ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso and burned it to disk
[05:46] <blablablabla> anyone got mono from breezy runninng hoary? I'm trying to install it, but it says it depends one some packages which are not going to be installed ... that even happens when installing gtk-sharp while having mono from hoary installed. Do you think I've messed up something with my pinning setup?
[05:47] <daniels> blablablabla: yes
[05:47] <egg|hardened> blahblah
[05:47] <mebaran151> bind mount it
[05:47] <mebaran151> what would rbind be different from
[05:48] <mebaran151> how is bind different from rbind
[05:48] <mebaran151> is rbind recursive or something
[05:48] <nootrope> Tezkah,it fails at a step on the boot sequence that attempts something about a "preloaded session"
[05:49] <tritium> nootrope, did you check the md5sum of the .iso to verify that it was correct?
[05:49] <blablablabla> daniels:  I got an APT::Default-Release "hoary"; in me /etc/apt/apt.conf, added sources from breezy and aded Two Sections to /etc/apt/prefernces which set hoary's pin-priority to 900, and breezy's to 20. That seems correct to me ... any ideas?
[05:49] <nootrope> I'll do that, tritium...brb
[05:50] <ukato> okay
[05:50] <ukato> thanks for all the help guys
[05:50] <daniels> blablablabla: gtk-sharp from breezy will depend on exact versions of gtk from breezy
[05:50] <daniels> which may or may not mean upgrading a whole bunch of shit
[05:50] <daniels> mixing the two won't be pleasant
[05:50] <rixth> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel."
[05:51] <blablablabla> daniels: I  tried with gtk-sharp vom hoary, but that was just a test. I want to install mono vom breezy ...
[05:51] <thayboiMu> hey
[05:51] <thayboiMu> anyone here use linux dc++?
[05:51] <saber_> What happened to transcode ?!
[05:51] <saber_> Why isn't it in the repository?
[05:51] <tritium> saber_, it never has been.  It's in Marillat's repo
[05:52] <crimsun> it didn't build due to unsatisified build dependencies
[05:52] <crimsun> but as tritium stated, it's in debian-marillat
[05:52] <saber_> oh. that's strange
[05:52] <blablablabla> daniels: on my debian box I just added APT::Default-Release "testing"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50release whcih does what I'd like to do with my ubuntu ... but there it doesn't seem to work ...
[05:52] <blablablabla> ls
[05:53] <paulproteus> Uh, default release testing?
[05:53] <paulproteus> I think you mean "warty" or "hoary".
[05:53] <rixth> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." How can I access the files within the dir? If I cd to it from the command line and then type 'dir' it just stays there. The dir listing doesn't come up, nor does it drop me back to a command line.
[05:54] <paulproteus> thayboiMu: Yeah, I've used dcgui_qt .
[05:54] <paulproteus> It doesn't look very good, though.
[05:54] <blablablabla> paulproteus: that one was taken from my debian box
[05:54] <thayboiMu> do you know what port we open in there?
[05:54] <thayboiMu> i can't get people file share
[05:54] <paulproteus> thayboiMu: I always used passive mode, I dunno.
[05:54] <thayboiMu> oh
[05:54] <paulproteus> blablablabla: Right.  On Ubuntu, you use Ubuntu releases.
[05:54] <paulproteus> Not Debian releases.
[05:54] <paulproteus> Otherwise you'd be running Debian....
[05:55] <blablablabla> I know, on the ubuntu box I added hoary instead of testing.
[05:55] <matt_> in the terminal how do I mount /dev/hda1 ?
[05:55] <matt_> (I'm a total newB)
[05:56] <Tezkah> first you make the mount point
[05:56] <Tezkah> so if you want to mount it, at, for example, /media/hda1, you would "sudo mkdir /media/hda1"
[05:56] <xenos> I really need help, I Downloaded xine-lib-1.0.1.tar.gz but i have no idea how to get it to work? can someone help me?
[05:57] <xenos> anyone?
[05:57] <hyphenated> xenos: why did you download that, instead of apt-getting xine?
[05:57] <Tezkah> then, you would mount it.  assuming it is an ntfs drive:  "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[05:57] <stuNNed> xenos: use packages xine in repos, no?
[05:57] <nickrud> matt_, that's your windows drive?
[05:58] <benplaut> *burps
[05:58] <xenos> im confused
[05:58] <rixth> Come on guys! I really need help with this! >> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." How can I access the files within the dir? If I cd to it from the command line and then type 'dir' it just stays there. The dir listing doesn't come up, nor does it drop me back to a command line.
[05:58] <xenos> stuNNed: what do you mean
[05:58] <saber_> how are you mounting the drive, rixth?
[05:58] <metrix> i'm trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade right after installed just the base with the warty cd set, and after downloading all the packages I get an error that it can't download some files. one being an the program xpdf.. what should I do?
[05:58] <paulproteus> rixth: No one answered because, well, that's a very strange error.
[05:58] <nakor> can somebody help me make my card reader work? no driver is loaded for it, usb-storage ignores it.
[05:58] <metrix> running an apt-get update does not fix the problem
[05:58] <tritium> xenos, there are libxine1 and libxine-dev packages in the repositories
[05:58] <matt_> nickrud yup...  I liked how xandros automatically set up all my partitions mounted and ready
[05:59] <rixth> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ntfs
[05:59] <synic> xenos: go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org and look for "installing xine"
[05:59] <xenos> tritium: is that the directory of where all the files are?
[05:59] <metrix> excuse me, i'm doing an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <hyphenated> xenos: don't private message me, please
[05:59] <paulproteus> metrix: Do you have a CD mentioned in your sources.list?
[05:59] <nickrud> matt_, it's a secrurity thing, if you can't access windows, you can't hurt it :)
[05:59] <saber_> have you checked the integrity of the file system, rixth?
[05:59] <tritium> xenos, no, those are package names
[05:59] <saber_> the file system might be corrupt.
[05:59] <stuNNed> xenos: um xine is available through synaptic, if it's not enable the repo's that allow it to be :)
[05:59] <stuNNed> hi tritium
[05:59] <rixth> How does one do that?
[05:59] <tritium> hi stuNNed
[05:59] <metrix> I probably do. do I need to remove it paulproteus?
[05:59] <paulproteus> You would want to run chkdsk from Windows.
[05:59] <abarbaccia> can someone please help me out- i'm having terrible trouble with gettign a script to run at boottime, i created the script in the init.d dir, ran update-rc.d with the *correct* settings, and still no dice
[05:59] <saber_> well, scan disk...
[06:00] <paulproteus> metrix: If you have network repositories and a CD one, drop the CD one.
[06:00] <saber_> you would do that from windows
[06:00] <paulproteus> Comment it out.
[06:00] <metrix> ok cool thank you paulproteus
[06:00] <mebaran151> when is Breezy going to get fixed
[06:00] <mebaran151> I had to bind mount mplayer
[06:00] <mebaran151> because it was being silly
[06:00] <saber_> of rather, disk defragment, since scan disk is not in XP
[06:00] <saber_> or
[06:00] <paulproteus> metrix: "Thank me when it works."
[06:00] <synic> mebaran151: and you wonder why they call it beta
[06:00] <daniels> mebaran151: 'PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY', from the topic
[06:00] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:00] <abarbaccia> bob2 you always know the answers - i'm having big trouble with this and can't figure it out
[06:00] <saber_> well, i guess it is, because on a hard boot windows will scan your disk....
[06:00] <mebaran151> I was wondering why
[06:00] <rixth> saber_, from Linux, how do I do it.
[06:00] <mebaran151> it is that silly font problem
[06:00] <mello> when I try to install gstreamer0.8-faad I get this message: gstreamer0.8-faad:
[06:00] <mello> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:00] <mello> I can't install 2.3.2.ds1-21 because I can't find it. All I see is 20.
[06:01] <nickrud> matt, sudo mount -t [vtat|ntfs]  -ro,noexec /dev/hda1 /mnt
[06:01] <saber_> not possible, rixth
[06:01] <mebaran151> that forces you to use the cli
[06:01] <mello> can anyone help?
[06:01] <rixth> fsck?
[06:01] <spinifex> hello.  I would like to report something awesome that has never happened to me before!  I plugged a new piece of hardware in to a usb slot which I've never used on this OS before-- it's a playstation controller run through a RadioShack USB converter.  This usually requires installing drivers from a floppy, with no other way to acquire them, in order to work in windows.  I just plugged it in and started zsnes, and it was instantly able to take in
[06:01] <saber_> the support isn't there, rixth
[06:01] <xenos> stuNNed: well i dont have any idea what your talking about your vocabulary is too advanced for someone with my low intalect regarding ubuntu linux
[06:01] <spinifex> I expected to have to set tons of crap up, seeing as this is linux
[06:01] <stuNNed> spinifex: very awesome
[06:01] <abarbaccia> spinifex, sounds exciting!
[06:01] <hyphenated> spinifex: welcome to the wonderful world of linux ;-)
[06:01] <mebaran151> spinifex, plug and play
[06:01] <tritium> xenos, no worries, what are you trying to do?
[06:02] <stuNNed> xenos: do you know of synaptic package manager in ubuntu?
[06:02] <mebaran151> it isnt a dream any more
[06:02] <Madpilot> spinifex: nice when it all just works, isn't it?
[06:02] <spinifex> but..  it's never happened before that something actually...  instantly works
[06:02] <hyphenated> spinifex: for more fun, plug a USB mouse into every available USB port and see what happens
[06:02] <hyphenated> while X is running
[06:02] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:02] <spinifex> lol.  *grabs one*
[06:02] <matt_> tezkah thanks! Now I see hda1 listed under media, but it says I don't have permissions to view
[06:02] <Madpilot> hyphenated: so, what happens with that many mice?
[06:02] <mebaran151> I had to complie mplayer from source
[06:02] <mebaran151> I have a silly question
[06:02] <Tezkah> matt_: yeah, I had to set it up in /etc/fstab to have my user as the owner
[06:02] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:02] <mebaran151> why does my computer hard lock and halt
[06:02] <hyphenated> unlike when I've tried the same thing on windows, linux/xfree/xorg quite happily lets all the mice coexist
[06:02] <benplaut> OK, i'm going to try safe mode... wish me luck!
[06:02] <paulproteus> lol, "every available USB port"
[06:03] <mebaran151> every time that I have a little X activity
[06:03] <benplaut> and rid me of Mepis ;)
[06:03] <mebaran151> and I am encoding
[06:03] <mebaran151> using mencoder
[06:03] <mebaran151> I am using a sata hdd
[06:03] <blablablabla> anyone here running mono from breezy?
[06:03] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, dont bother
[06:03] <mebaran151> and I believe that it only occurs when I am doing large amounts of IO
[06:03] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, go into #ubuntu-motu and read topic
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <spinifex> wow I love ubuntu
[06:03] <stuNNed> xenos: calm down whoa
[06:03] <abarbaccia> xenos, please dont do that any more
[06:03] <crimsun> xenos: please control the flooding
[06:03] <mebaran151> if only it wasnt so brown
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: ok sorry
[06:04] <mebaran151> why cant we have a blue color scheme like Fedora
[06:04] <hyphenated> mebaran151: heh, my kubuntu setup isn't brown ;-)
[06:04] <xenos> stuNNed: if your writing something long tell me
[06:04] <rixth> saber_, lets say the file system is fine (last I knew it was). DId I need to specify something else when I mounted?
[06:04] <stuNNed> xenos: look in menu under 'System' -> 'Administration'
[06:04] <mebaran151> I like XFCE myself
[06:04] <hyphenated> each to their own
[06:04] <mebaran151> and I hate the QT widget set
[06:04] <Tezkah> I'm using icewm now
[06:04] <mebaran151> but the default is so brown
[06:04] <metrix> doh.. that did not fix the problem... I am getting an err http://archive.ubuntu.org hoary/main ip <IP_ADDRESS> not found
[06:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Sounds like the kernel and your SATA card don't get along.
[06:04] <mebaran151> cant we make it red
[06:04] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: Are thos dependency problems normal?
[06:04] <Tezkah> but I like KDE and GNOME
[06:04] <benplaut> goodbye, all!
[06:04] <Tezkah> and love XFCE
[06:04] <stuNNed> bye benplaut
[06:04] <mebaran151> paulproteus, I have sata_nv
[06:04] <x\> xenos sounds like "senos" which means "breasts" in spanish
[06:04] <mebaran151> it should work I would think
[06:05] <mebaran151> pretty popular chipset
[06:05] <egg|hardened> i love free beer
[06:05] <paulproteus> egg|hardened: free speech is better
[06:05] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, its all buggy - because things are being changed and mono depends on those things, so until the prereqs are correct, mono can't be adjusted
[06:05] <xenos> x\: i made up my name randomly
[06:05] <spinifex> this is fun times.  I even got my Tablet Screen working with Ubuntu, though it took a teeny bit of configuring
[06:05] <mebaran151> which is better
[06:05] <mebaran151> caca or aalib
[06:05] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, breezy is ugly for right now because of gcc transition
[06:05] <xenos> stuNNed: do i look for device manager?
[06:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: aalib is harder-core.  You must run the program "bb" to see this.
[06:05] <paulproteus> "bb" rocks.
[06:05] <paulproteus> cacalib is slightly cooler and easier to see.
[06:05] <stuNNed> xenos: no, it's under the 'System' menu
[06:05] <stuNNed> xenos: not 'Applications'
[06:06] <mebaran151> abarbaccia, harder core
[06:06] <mebaran151> sorry
[06:06] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: that sucks, I just wanted to have an uptodate mono ...
[06:06] <mebaran151> I mean paulproteus, harder core
[06:06] <mebaran151> how can an ascii art library be hardcore
[06:06] <xenos> stuNNed: i realize that, what do i look for under administration?
[06:06] <mebaran151> it seems difficult
[06:06] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Not at all! :)
[06:06] <abarbaccia> think of late august
[06:06] <mebaran151> like what makes it hardcore
[06:06] <stuNNed> xenos: 'Synaptic Package Manager'
[06:06] <mebaran151> as compared to caca
[06:06] <metrix> I am getting an err http://archive.ubuntu.org hoary/main ip xpdf-comon 404 not found [ip: <IP_ADDRESS>]  not found when trying to do an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.. does anyone have any suggestions to get around this?
[06:06] <mebaran151> caca is nice and pretty colored
[06:06] <mebaran151> any real advantages
[06:06] <xenos> stuNNed: ok i found it
[06:07] <paulproteus> metrix: Have you done 'apt-get update'?
[06:07] <mebaran151> I am just playing mplayer movies through it
[06:07] <xenos> stuNNed: now what?
[06:07] <paulproteus> mebaran151: If you watch "bb", I think you may understand.
[06:07] <metrix> paulproteus: yes I have
[06:07] <mebaran151> where do you get bb
[06:07] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, think of late august
[06:07] <tritium> metrix, also, did you spell "common" correctly?
[06:07] <spinifex> just wanted to share the love.  ttyl
[06:07] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: I think of backporting ...
[06:07] <paulproteus> mebaran151: It comes with aalib, I think.
[06:07] <mebaran151> oh
[06:07] <mebaran151> aalib-bin
[06:07] <mebaran151> cool
[06:08] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, do what you must...but backports might not work because of the amount of things being changed, and its going to break all the tiem
[06:08] <matt_> is "sudo" a way of accessing as root?
[06:08] <xenos> stuNNed: btw thank you for helping me, i know how anoying newbs can be
[06:08] <metrix> tritium: no I did not. that is the error message though, that is not the command i typed.. sorry for the mistake
[06:08] <mebaran151> paulproteus, path
[06:08] <kane> na just do apt-get install bb
[06:08] <stuNNed> xenos: launch it, enable your extra repos there with it, search for xine, and install it :)
[06:08] <mebaran151> please
[06:08] <paulproteus>  /usr/bin/bb
[06:08] <tritium> metrix, no problem.  Glad that solved it :)
[06:08] <mebaran151> no file
[06:08] <mebaran151> hmm
[06:08] <nootrope> tritium: the MD5 checks out. maybe there's an error on the CD. can i MD5 the CD?
[06:08] <xenos> stuNNed: ok thank you
[06:08] <metrix> tritium: no! it didn't fix it! :/
[06:09] <paulproteus> metrix: Did you run apt-get update?
[06:09] <metrix> I still get that error when I do an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: my debian system runs with backports, mixed testing and unstable for years now ... so I think get that problem solved somehow
[06:09] <metrix> paulproteus yes I did, but I will do it again right now to triple-check
[06:10] <xenos> stuNNed: wait where do i enable the extras, im in the repos but i dont see what to do.
[06:10] <metrix> paulproteus: I just ran apt-get update, and tried again. I am still getting the same error
[06:10] <kane> bb is in universe
[06:10] <paulproteus> metrix: Join me in #flood
[06:10] <metrix> sure
[06:11] <kane> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe bb 1.3rc1-5
[06:11] <mebaran151> ah
[06:11] <mebaran151> it doesnt work with snd
[06:12] <kane> you need libmikmod2
[06:12] <mebaran151> ah
[06:12] <xenos> stuNNed: wait where do i enable the extras, im in the repos but i dont see what to do. Please man if your there
[06:12] <mebaran151> no the sound works
[06:12] <mebaran151> it just stop srendering
[06:12] <mebaran151> I am unsure why it is better than caca
[06:12] <mebaran151> caca has colors
[06:12] <mebaran151> I dont feel like recompiling mplayer
[06:12] <mello> could someone help me fix my repositories so gstreamer0.8-faad will install?
[06:13] <mebaran151> so caca couldn't do that?
[06:13] <crimsun> mello: I suppose you could try the repo listed on wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:13] <mello> crimsun: i did, but it says: gstreamer0.8-faad:
[06:13] <mello> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:13] <kane> mello:  uncomment repositories in /ect/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <mebaran151> I have to admit it is cool
[06:14] <crimsun> mello: not debian-marillat
[06:14] <crimsun> mello: the other
[06:14] <mello> k
[06:15] <xenos> Hey all im in Synaptic Package Manager trying to install xine, someone told me to enable my extra repos then search for xine but i dont know what im doing wrong. can someone expalin to me how to enable my extra repos?
[06:15] <nootrope> ok, tritium. it appears my CD drive is hosed. probably burned a mutant image
[06:15] <Anubis> xenos, sure
[06:15] <tritium> nootrope, ah, okay.  Sounds like it.  the md5sum checked out?
[06:15] <crimsun> xenos: the library or an application that uses it?
[06:15] <xenos> how do i send you a message in red
[06:15] <nootrope> yeah.
[06:15] <nootrope> any way to MD5 the CD?
[06:15] <blablablabla> xenos: uncomment them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <xenos> i dont understand that
[06:16] <tritium> xenos, both xine-ui and gxine (if you care to try it) are in universe
[06:16] <crimsun> (and totem-xine, too)
[06:16] <xenos> i have xine-lib-1.0.1
[06:16] <tritium> indeed ;)
[06:16] <tritium> xenos, if you want the message highlighted, use the person's nick
[06:17] <crimsun> xenos: from apt or from upstream's web site as a source tarball?
[06:17] <xenos> Grrr.... i dont speak LINUX NERD
[06:17] <xenos> i cant understand anyone here
[06:17] <sri> hi all
[06:17] <incubii> lol
[06:17] <crimsun> xenos: how did you get xine-lib-1.0.1?
[06:18] <xenos> the website
[06:18] <xenos> br
[06:18] <xenos> brb
[06:18] <sri> any update on X on breezy?  or should I be looking to build X myself?
[06:18] <shad0w1e> help! my nvidia drivers are installed properly (and some games even work fine in 3D) but others do not! the reason? I have no libgl.so ... what do I do?
[06:18] <Anubis> xenos, your not going to get much help with that attitude
[06:18] <sri> (re: i updated to breezy back in april before the topic was put up)
[06:18] <crimsun> xenos: you need to enable the universe repo and then install an app like totem-xine
[06:18] <rixth> Whenever I try to ls, dir (or open in Nautilus) a subdirectory in a NTFS drive, just sits there. If Iw as to type root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # ls << It just sits there. Doesn't drop me back to root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # either. Is there a package I need for NTFS support?
[06:19] <crimsun> sri: just don't dist-upgrade
[06:19] <nootrope> hey anyone, any way to MD5 a CD to see if the image is mutated?
[06:19] <crimsun> sri: upgrades should be safe, but there's no guarantee (per usual with the dev branch), etc., etc.
[06:19] <elcu> hello, i get random cpu locks when i log out.  i can hear the cpu fan spinning up, the screen goes black, and it stays that way, forcing me to do a hard reset.  which logs can i check out? tried /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog but am not really sure what to look for.
[06:19] <Anubis> rixth, no just make sure its mounted with the proper permissions, see the ubuntuguide page
[06:20] <laosiano> is there a way to configure xscreensaver to allow new logins when screen is locked??
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: sure.  I did a dist upgrade already unfortunately
[06:20] <paulproteus> elcu: What laptop?
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: :(
[06:20] <crimsun> sri: (recently?{
[06:20] <crimsun> )
[06:20] <elcu> paulproteus: i'm using a desktop
[06:20] <paulproteus> elcu: Oh.
[06:20] <rixth> Anubis, will do. Is it in the wiki?
[06:20] <Anubis> laosiano, good question I think not though
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: yeah..screwed up a lot of stuff :D
[06:20] <crimsun> sri: (a dist-upgrade today would be madness. An upgrade today should be fine.)
[06:20] <xenos> i dont see a universe repo
[06:20] <egg|hardened> nice hehe
[06:20] <elcu> paulproteus: why? is it common with laptops?
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: and I'm okay with that.. if you do breezy, you accept breakage :)
[06:21] <nootrope> ::whistling::
[06:21] <Anubis> rixth, not the wiki I dunno but definately the ubuntu guide http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:21] <matt_> how do I add an icon to places-->computer
[06:21] <benplaut> didn't work :(
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: unfortunately, I did..but it's been broken about two days ago or so (when I did a dist-upgrade)
[06:21] <Anubis> matt_, smeg menu-editor
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: so I should from now on, not use dist-upgrade?
[06:21] <xenos> crimsu: i dont see the universe repo there is "hoary Hedgehog, Updates, and Security Updates
[06:21] <matt_> anubis thx
[06:22] <crimsun> sri: you should use upgrade until furthur notice
[06:22] <Anubis> matt_, de nada;)
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: okay
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: thanks for hte warning.
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: any way to fix what I've done so far ?
[06:22] <nickrud> xenos, unless someone tells you otherwise, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853, and you'll have universe
[06:22] <benplaut> bunch of new people by now
[06:22] <benplaut> i guess i'll ask again
[06:22] <Anubis> brb
[06:23] <xenos> nickrud: where do i go to find /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <incubii> bloody server, its not enough i bolt you to the rack you gotta chat on irc too now :P
[06:23] <sri> xenos: before you do that, please do mv sources.list to sources.list.old or something because you want to keep the original, just in case.
[06:23] <matt_> anubis  sorry I'm lost smeg isn't a term command.  can u explain more?
[06:23] <nickrud> xenos, heh, ok
[06:23] <benplaut> anyone having problems or know a solution to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem after doing the kernel security update this mornin'?
[06:24] <sri> nickrud: he's linux illiterate, you need to be mroe detailed otherwise you'll mess him up.
[06:24] <elcu> xenos: open a terminal and type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <xenos> nickrud: If only Microsoft was this complex
[06:24] <nickrud> xenos, do you have a terminal open?
[06:24] <crimsun> elcu: you should suggest gksudo
[06:24] <xenos> i do now
[06:24] <Anubis> matt_, no I'm sorry its a program, you have to install the name is menu-editor or smeg
[06:24] <sri> nickrud: I'd help but my X is hosed :/
[06:24] <nickrud> xenos, microsoft is more complicated, it's just that they hide stuff from you so you don't know
[06:24] <Anubis> matt_, search synaptic for smeg or menu
[06:25] <sri> crimsun: so, I guess I'm going to have to compile X or something or do you think X might be fixed soon?
[06:25] <benplaut> also-
[06:25] <crimsun> sri: no, just need to create a symlink and possible retweak xorg.conf
[06:25] <crimsun> sri: no need to recompile it
[06:25] <sri> xenos: once you figure out the command line it gets very easy, there's a pattern.
[06:25] <crimsun> possibly^
[06:25] <nickrud> xenos, on the top menu, applications-system-tools-root terminal
[06:25] <benplaut> is it possible to use apt on the filesystem through the LiveCD?
[06:25] <sri> crimsun: okay, from what I've seen the diff is that /usr/bin/X11 is gone as well as /usr/lib/X11 yes?
[06:26] <elcu> crimsun: is there any critical difference b/n using sudo and gksudo? (afaict, sudo asks for the password in the terminal while gksudo opened a popup box)
[06:26] <xenos> i opened sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <crimsun> sri: /usr/X11R6/bin to /usr/bin/X11 iirc, but you may wish to ping daniels
[06:26] <nickrud> xenos, kay, exit that :)
[06:26] <laosiano> matt_ get the last smeg 's deb package at  http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/latest/smeg.deb
[06:26] <sri> crimsun: I've tried to tweak the xorg.conf some, so that it looks in the right paths for fonts, but I still haven't fixed
[06:26] <sri> crimsun: okay, no problem.
[06:26] <nickrud> xenos, we're doing root shit
[06:27] <xenos> ok
[06:27] <sri> daniels: dude, can ask a q?
[06:27] <xenos> alright
[06:27] <nickrud> xenos, signed it an all?
[06:27] <nickrud> *in
[06:27] <xenos> i have the root@TardFactory: /home/xenos open
[06:27] <nickrud> xenos, ok, now open the link I gave you
[06:27] <sri> he's better off doign sudo echo "apt line" >> /etc/apt/sources.list (xenos don't do this)
[06:28] <nickrud> xenos, just use firefox, it's the tool
[06:28] <daniels> sri: sure
[06:28] <WindeX> hey, i have a question about running Mplayer on Ubuntu...anyone have any knowledge on that?
[06:28] <sri> daniels: I did a dist-upgrade,and of course Xis somewhat messed..does making symlinks from /usr/bin/X11 to /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/lib/X11 to /usr/X11R6/lib fix the issue?
[06:28] <tga> WindeX: just ask and you'll find out
[06:28] <Anubis> WindeX, what knowledge?
[06:28] <nickrud> xenos, you need the link again?
[06:29] <sri> daniels: this is on breezy
[06:29] <xenos> ok i opened it
[06:29] <xenos> no
[06:29] <Anubis> WindeX, specific question?
[06:29] <xenos> http://pastebin.com/288853
[06:29] <nickrud> ok, in the root terminal, cd /etc/apt
[06:29] <WindeX> well...when I try to play a file, i can't seem to load any sound drivers
[06:29] <xenos> ok
[06:29] <xenos> done
[06:29] <WindeX> i've tried going through the list on $mplayer -ao help
[06:29] <Anubis> WindeX, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:29] <bur[n] er> WindeX: mp3? or anything?
[06:29] <xenos> ...wow this is like dos
[06:29] <sri> gah, telling first timers to use root..bleah.
[06:30] <sri> xenos: heh
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, enable esd
[06:30] <nickrud> xenos, now we save the old one, cp sourcesl.list sources.list.ubuntu
[06:30] <nickrud> xenos, now we save the old one, cp sources.list sources.list.ubuntu
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, enable alsa
[06:30] <bur[n] er> WindeX: why use mplayer?  rhythmbox, totem, beep-media-player
[06:30] <bur[n] er> xine
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, check that link I gave you, its really good.
[06:30] <tga> WindeX: do you get sound from any other apps?
[06:30] <Myrtti> you know what would be a great feature in "Removable drives and media" thing?
[06:30] <xenos> ok nothing happened
[06:30] <WindeX> i get system sound
[06:31] <nickrud> xenos, no, we copied the file, and there were no errors :)
[06:31] <Myrtti> that one could choose whether the deleted things are deleted or just moved to .Trash
[06:31] <tga> WindeX: what is the error?
[06:31] <Anubis> rythm and beep don't play videos do they? And if they do I would not want then too.. Totem is no bad
[06:31] <xenos> ok
[06:31] <xenos> yes
[06:31] <WindeX> it says the sound device is in use and couldn't be opened
[06:31] <nickrud> now, in the terminal, nano sources.list
[06:31] <matt_> which is better xmms or xine?
[06:31] <Anubis> I love nano
[06:32] <Anubis> matt_, for what?
[06:32] <sri> I hate nano
[06:32] <Anubis> lol
[06:32] <xenos> WOOT
[06:32] <xenos> its open
[06:32] <Anubis> I hate vi
[06:32] <tga> sri: use vim
[06:32] <bur[n] er> xmms or xine?  they're kinda different... one is mainly video, one music
[06:32] <sri> tga: as do I
[06:32] <sri> tga: of course I can use emacs too..depends on what I'm doing.
[06:32] <nickrud> I use vim and nano interchangably
[06:32] <Anubis> vim makes me sad
[06:32] <Anubis> ;)
[06:32] <nickrud> depends on what condition my install is in
[06:32] <xenos> \nickrud now?
[06:32] <bur[n] er> WindeX: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:33] <Anubis> but its mad powerful though
[06:33] <bur[n] er> vim is slow
[06:33] <sri> it sur eis
[06:33] <matt_> oh ya...  so xmms is like winamp?  how about xine vs totem?  Totem seems to come with ubuntu
[06:33] <sri> not as powerful as emacs
[06:33] <nickrud> xenos, ok, delete everything :)
[06:33] <tga> the keyboard shortcuts screw me up in anything but vim
[06:33] <WNight_> I just installed Ubuntu and when I reboot I get "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Any ideas?
[06:33] <Anubis> matt_, Totem uses xine
[06:33] <sri> but vim is my editor of choice..but you can ddo some really funky shit with emacs
[06:33] <xenos> how
[06:33] <bur[n] er> term hippies
[06:33] <tga> is that lilo or grub?
[06:33] <xenos> How do i delete it all
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, Xines frontends are ugly to me...Totem is nice and clean
[06:34] <sri> matt_: totem is the media player, it can play dvd, music streams, whatever
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, even plays realmedia!
[06:34] <WNight_> I can
[06:34] <tga> Anubis: you don't need a frontend, just launch it and go full screen
[06:34] <matt_> thx again guys
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, as a browser plugin no less!
[06:34] <nickrud> xenos, use the delete key
[06:34] <WNight_> I can't get Totem to play a DVD, even if Xine is installed and will do it.
[06:34] <bur[n] er> matt_: totem is really nice and can use the xine backend...  apt-get install totem-xine
[06:34] <sri> matt_: vcds and all that hoopla..but without all teh complications unlike real's player..which is butt ugly
[06:34] <Anubis> tga, have'nt learned that trick yet
[06:34] <sri> ugh, totem-gstreamer is getting way better
[06:34] <matt_> bur[n] er but totem appears to be installed with ubuntu
[06:35] <nickrud> xenos, it may look funny, but it's just an editor
[06:35] <bur[n] er> gstreamer needs id3 editing support :\
[06:35] <egg|hardened> wnight, hehe gotcha
[06:35] <Anubis> tga, like can't mplayer and such run in framed buffer as well?
[06:35] <sri> bur[n] er: it has it I believe.
[06:35] <bur[n] er> matt_: you say that like it's a bad thing?
[06:35] <tga> Anubis: I think it can
[06:35] <bur[n] er> sri: since when?
[06:35] <xenos> almost done
[06:35] <sri> bur[n] er: ask in #gstreamer how to do it...I forget
[06:35] <bur[n] er> eh
[06:35] <sri> wait I'll ask, I'm there already
[06:35] <Anubis> gstreamer makes me sad too
[06:35] <matt_> bur[n] er not bad... I don't think I need to apt-get if I have it
[06:35] <xenos> all deleted
[06:36] <bur[n] er> matt_: you don't have totem-xine
[06:36] <bur[n] er> matt_: totem-gstreamer is the ubuntu default
[06:36] <Anubis> matt_, how do we know all this, we tried em all, and you should too, then tell me which is tight and why;)
[06:36] <elcu> bur[n] er: does totem give you smooth DVD playback?
[06:36] <nickrud> xenos, ok, in the text box at the bottom on the site, hightlight the text
[06:36] <WindeX> ok...i think i have this figured out now.  thanks for the links...they helped me enable some other sound options...thanks everyone
[06:36] <xenos> hey nickrud i opened a new chat with just you
[06:36] <bur[n] er> elcu: yes... enable dma on your cdrom drive?  check the ubuntu faq
[06:36] <tga> omg!
[06:36] <matt_> ok will get totem-xine thx
[06:37] <Anubis> WindeX, great!
[06:37] <Anubis> matt_, anytime!
[06:37] <elcu> bur[n] er: hmmm i enabled it on my hdd, but not my DVD drive.  it's on ubuntuguide you say?
[06:37] <xenos> i deleted everything though
[06:37] <bur[n] er> sri: i think you're right on gstreamer... i think rhythmbox .9 development builds have id3 tagging support
[06:37] <WNight_> My system dies on boot with: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Any ideas?
[06:38] <bur[n] er> elcu: dma on is in the faq
[06:38] <sri> bur[n] er: yelp
[06:38] <tga> WNight_: is that lilo or grub?
[06:38] <sri> bur[n] er: er yep
[06:38] <tga> WNight_: sounds like your boot loader is misconfigured
[06:38] <benplaut> any help?
[06:38] <matt_>  here's what I got  "Package totem-xine is not available"
[06:38] <bur[n] er> elcu: and on guide i guess http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[06:38] <runelind> huh, I guess the problem with wpa_supplicant was with my crappy msft access point
[06:39] <WNight_> tga: Grub. This is the first boot after install. I partitioned the drive manually during install, and installed everything onto reiserfs. Got any idea where to start?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> matt_: www.ubuntuguide.org you need more repositories ;)
[06:39] <matt_> k will look into it
[06:40] <bur[n] er> matt_: universe/multiverse is key
[06:40] <benplaut> WNight_: you updated with Ubuntu Update Manager, didn't you...
[06:40] <elcu> bur[n] er: yeah, couldn't find it on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[06:40] <tga> WNight_: you can hit 'c' and in the console type "root hd(0,0)" "kernel /vmlinuz" "initrd /initrd.img" "boot"
[06:40] <WNight_> benplaut: Yeah, 22 new updates or something.
[06:40] <bur[n] er> http://buranen.info/comment.php?comment.news.66  <--i got my ubuntu cds :)
[06:41] <bur[n] er> elcu: might have been wiki faq ;)  in any event, it's in the guide
[06:41] <benplaut> WNight_: the kernel update is causing a bunch of people's computers to not boot... me included
[06:41] <tga> WNight_: hd(0,0) is hda1.. change it if you have Ubuntu installed anywhere else
[06:41] <elcu> bur[n] er: yep, cheers
[06:41] <benplaut> working form a live CD right now
[06:41] <tga> is the new kernel borked?
[06:41] <tritium> benplaut, you're aware of others having problems with the new kernel too?
[06:41] <benplaut> tga: yup
[06:41] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:41] <tga> benplaut: the fs support in the kernel or the symlinks or something?
[06:41] <benplaut> tritium: yup, about five people so far on Ubuntu Forums
[06:41] <Anubis> tga, what new kernel?
[06:42] <benplaut> tga: no idea...
[06:42] <tritium> Anubis, there was a security update today
[06:42] <Anubis> shit
[06:42] <tga> Anubis: looks like 2.6.10-5-
[06:42] <wallflower> how can i boot into single user mode ?
[06:42] <IIIEars> Hello!   (bought a new convertible tonigh. - no internet access available for it tho. - what is ubunu addiction?)
[06:42] <benplaut> tga: watch out!
[06:42] <bur[n] er> wallflower: pick "recovery mode" from your grub menu
[06:42] <thoreauputic> tritium: mine hung at the enterprise vol management step: a hard reset fixed it but I'm not confident it will stay fixed...
[06:42] <tritium> tga, you might wait on that
[06:42] <tga> benplaut: you should have your old kernel in the menu
[06:42] <wallflower> ah Ok.
[06:42] <WNight_> Still a problem.
[06:43] <benplaut> tga: it was a minor security update, so it didn't leave the backup
[06:43] <tga> can't you use the second menu option?
[06:43] <tga> heh, nice
[06:43] <matt_> what is the stickynotes or notes organizer in ubuntu
[06:43] <benplaut> WNight_: me, too... i'll let you know if i find an answer
[06:43] <bur[n] er> you can always boot a livecd, chroot, and reinstall the kernel :)
[06:43] <WNight_> benplaut: Thanks! I'll be here, just say my name!
[06:43] <tga> I'm updating the kernel now, I hope to be back with an answer
[06:43] <tga> is there no bug in bugzilla?
[06:43] <benplaut> but[n] er: what is chroot?
[06:44] <tritium> benplaut, did you check bugzilla?
[06:44] <tga> benplaut: you can boot from a live cd and make it use your current install as the root file system
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> Hi
[06:44] <benplaut> tga: how... i was trying to figure that out a while ago
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> I asked what would be a good nix distro for a fisrt time user to familiarise himself with
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> A guy in freenode directed me to here
[06:45] <benplaut> and then your can un-apt the update?
[06:45] <tga> benplaut: you mount the root partition somewhere, say /mnt/foo, then you `chroot /mnt/foo`
[06:45] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: download an iso and see for yourself :)
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> wheres the best place to download?
[06:45] <tga> benplaut: then you're 'in' your new system and can do stuff like change the boot loader settings
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: try the bootable live CD first and see if you like it
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> got a site for this distro?
[06:45] <Madpilot> Dr_Melectaus: they'll ship you the ubuntu CDS - free - as well. check the ubuntu homepage.
[06:46] <benplaut> tga: i am having the not mounting problem... what's the fix (i did it a few times, but i forgot)
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> yea ill try the live one i think :)
[06:46] <tga> benplaut: the new kernel thing?
[06:46] <bur[n] er> bah, just install it ;)
[06:46] <bur[n] er> livecd is for weenies
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Madpilot, whats the website ?
[06:46] <matt_> ok so gnome has sticky notes already.... anyone know if there's a tree notes program?
[06:46] <benplaut> tga: no... just how to mount hda1 from livecd
[06:46] <tga> benplaut: `mkdir /mnt/foo` `mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo`
[06:46] <abbot45> what program can i use to change stuff like JPG & PSD files to PDF?
[06:47] <tritium> abbot45, gimp
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> May i ask what the website is for ununtu?
[06:47] <tga> Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:47] <abbot45> i tried to save something as a PDF but it said it was an unknown file extension
[06:47] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: http://www.google.ca/search?q=ubuntu
[06:47] <Madpilot> Dr_Melectaus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/shipit/link_view   - sorry for not including it first!
[06:47] <abbot45> tritium, how do i do it?
[06:48] <tritium> abbot45, ah, sorry, it can _import_ pdf, but not export
[06:48] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: gimp will open .psd
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle
[06:48] <tritium> abbot45, try imagemagick's convert
[06:48] <tga> abbot45: you could always use openoffice.. import the picture and save as pdf
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> my bad bur[n] er
[06:48] <tga> File descriptor 3 left open
[06:48] <tga> hmm what's this all about
[06:48] <bur[n] er> i'm just bustin yer nutz Dr_Melectaus ;)  nothing personal
[06:48] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i apply a patch to an install file?
[06:49] <bur[n] er> abarbaccia: ?
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[06:49] <benplaut> tga: OK, i "sudo chroot /mnt/hda1", the HDD makes a bit of noise, and now... nothing different
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> would they ship to the UK ?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[06:50] <tga> benplaut: if you got no error then you're 'in' your hdd install.. what are you trying to do?
[06:50] <tga> anyone running grub with lvm?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> matt_:  http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=613 http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=172 http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=76
[06:50] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[06:50] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[06:50] <benplaut> tga: downgrade my kernel to the one before the security update
[06:50] <abarbaccia> how do i apply a patch to a file?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: takes a few weeks though, no matter where you are
[06:51] <bur[n] er> if you can download it, do though... why not save ubuntu some money and let them ship cds to places with little bandwidth
[06:51] <Dr_Melectaus>  ; (
[06:51] <bur[n] er> abarbaccia: man patch ?
[06:52] <tga> benplaut: I'm actually not sure how you downgrade that package
[06:52] <benplaut> hmm
[06:52] <bur[n] er> ooh... better yet, 'xterm -e man patch'
[06:52] <abbot45> tga, thanks.  OO worked :)
[06:52] <benplaut> will synaptic be using my hda1 package list?
[06:52] <JDahl> abarbaccia, man patch (normally you type something like "patch -p0 directory_to_path patchfile.diff")
[06:52] <tga> benplaut: yes, the terminal you're in is on your hdd install
[06:52] <benplaut> good!
[06:53] <tga> anyone using grub and lvm?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> nope
[06:53] <abarbaccia> got it
[06:53] <abarbaccia> thanks yall
[06:53] <benplaut> tga: so... sudo synaptic (from the terminal that i chrooted) would bring up the hda1 synaptic?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> grub & simple 40 gig ide :)
[06:53] <tga> benplaut: why don't you try it and see what happens
[06:53] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:54] <tga> I've upgraded my kernel so without grub next time I reboot I'm screwed
[06:54] <Burgundavia> tga, did you install the kernel package?
[06:54] <tga> Burgundavia: yes
[06:54] <Tezkah> wow... xmms is REALLY a clone of Winamp
[06:54] <Burgundavia> tga, it does it by default
[06:54] <Tezkah> down to the little details like not loading the entire playlist, wiating until you scroll
[06:55] <tga> Burgundavia: I have lilo, not grub and grub-install doesn't like my LVM volume
[06:55] <Burgundavia> tga, oh
[06:55] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: check out beepmp.sf.net  it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[06:55] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: apt-get install beep-media-player even
[06:55] <Tezkah> I like amarok, it sounds great
[06:55] <Tezkah> but its too heavy for use on icewm
[06:55] <Tezkah> and XMMS is okay
[06:55] <Tezkah> but some songs sound washed out... its weird
[06:55] <semi> m
[06:55] <WNight_> q
[06:56] <matt_> bedtime ... thnks for help all
[06:56] <Tezkah> I'm using icewm
[06:56] <Tezkah> I can't figure out why =)
[06:56] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: ever try xfce?  it's a good lightweight WM
[06:56] <Tezkah> yeah, I am slowly going from heavy to small
[06:56] <Tezkah> I went from KDE to GNOME to XFCE now to IceWM
[06:56] <Tezkah> >I'll be text only in a few hours
[06:57] <Tezkah> I really like IceWM though
[06:57] <bur[n] er> (but then i got a p4)
[06:57] <Tezkah> OS/2 Warp theme going on
[06:57] <Tezkah> yum
[06:57] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:57] <benplaut> tga: well... seems i'll have to go back to my old buddy google :) ... apt downgrade package
[06:58] <Tezkah> bur[n] er: yeah, I have an Athlon 2000+
[06:58] <Tezkah> but the fact that it stays speedy while I clock it down at 396mhz is awesome
[06:58] <Tezkah> 35% battery left
[06:58] <Tezkah> omg
[06:59] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:59] <Tezkah> I really should find a battery monitor for IceWM
[06:59] <bur[n] er> gnome is just as fast for me
[06:59] <Tezkah> the one on XFCE causes the panel to slow down
[06:59] <Tezkah> I don't like GNOME, it just doens't feel right to me
[06:59] <bur[n] er> launching applications in other WMs was slow... due to gtk loading and all that
[06:59] <Tezkah> yeah, exactly
[07:00] <Tezkah> thats the nice thing about Linux, you can choose
[07:00] <Tezkah> compared to being stuck with explorer.exe or Finder.app
[07:00] <benplaut> if i remove (temporaroly, of course) security-ubuntu from my sources.list, and then apt-get update, will it bring the package down package down to the latest version in the other repos?
[07:00] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6 is out! :D
[07:00] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png
[07:00] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: windows has blackbox & litestep as well :)
[07:01] <bur[n] er> benplaut: best bet is download the .deb and install that
[07:01] <Tezkah> I'd show you my icewm screenshot, but its embarassingly plain
[07:01] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: whatcha think of that gnome? :)
[07:01] <Tezkah> yet so awesome
[07:01] <Tezkah> GNOME is kind of like XFCE
[07:01] <Tezkah> except huge
[07:02] <bur[n] er> kinda
[07:02] <bur[n] er> and more usable
[07:02] <benplaut> bur[n] er: where can i find a deb for a kernel form a month ago?
[07:02] <tritium> benplaut, if you've found a bug with the new kernel, will you please file a bug in bugzilla?  Did you check to see if there's already one?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> benplaut: ubuntu repositories :P
[07:02] <IIIEars_> .
[07:02] <benplaut> tritium: i'll do that right now
[07:02] <tritium> benplaut, it's a kernel panic?  When does it occur?
[07:02] <IIIEars_> Hi tritium
[07:02] <tritium> Hi IIIEars
[07:02] <Tezkah> okay I miss XFCE now
[07:03] <benplaut> tritium: right after grub announces "loading kernel" (or something like that...)
[07:03] <tritium> benplaut, can you please give me the URL you're referring to from the forums?
[07:04] <Tezkah> okay XFCE I have missed you
[07:04] <IIIEars_> Will the latest kernel updates put an extra line in grub?
[07:04] <benplaut> tritium: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573
[07:04] <tritium> benplaut, thanks
[07:05] <benplaut> IIIEars: nope... it's just a small security update
[07:06] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, im looking forword to trying this distro out. comes across as different to the rest
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: it's amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing :)
[07:06] <abarbaccia> Dr_Melectaus, i make love to it every night
[07:06] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: where did you get the wallpaper in your screenshot?
[07:06] <Dr_Melectaus> ROFFLE
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Madpilot: gnomelook.org
[07:07] <IIIEars> The posted link had me worried. - Thanks for the info benplaut. :)
[07:08] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: thnx, always looking for new eyecandy. gnome-look.org is great.
[07:08] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot2.png  <--another eye-candy show off :)
[07:08] <benplaut> IIIEars: no prob :) ... chances are you won't ahve any problems
[07:08] <cuga> Hey guys, I just reinstalled my hoary box and installed mplayer and all the codecs paks, but nomatter the video i try and play, it just stays a black screen... anybody seen this before ?
[07:08] <tga> hmm I forgot to add swap to this system
[07:08] <overcode> I just tried booting the Live CD on my Athlon 64 box (native AMD 64 version). The first problem was that it froze while starting the enterprise volume manager; I got past that by disabling my SATA interface in the BIOS. The current problem is that X video is garbled. I'm using an NVIDIA 6600. Any ideas?
[07:08] <tga> no wonder it suddenly gets slow after using it for a while
[07:08] <overcode> it started X without errors, but the display is totally fried
[07:09] <bur[n] er> cuga: use totem?
[07:09] <Dr_Melectaus> So is ubuntu really flexable? im wanting to try and do as much as i can with nix so just curiouse what ubuntu is good for, and bad for
[07:09] <IIIEars> Does anyone know how to add md5sum to the right click menu or panel. - it closes too quickly to read it's output.
[07:09] <benplaut> tga: -rolls eyes-
[07:09] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: bad for xtightvncviewer -listen, good for everything else ;)
[07:09] <tritium> IIIEars, use it from the command line
[07:09] <Dr_Melectaus>  bad for xtightvncviewer -listen <<< whatsa one of them O_o
[07:09] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: bad for printing to windows shared printers as well... but web browsing, image editing, gaming, etc are all good :)
[07:09] <cuga> bur[n] er, same thing, could it be something in xorg that is not configured properly?
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[07:10] <IIIEars> I can do that - If it is easier to do i am more likely to checksum files tho.
[07:10] <bur[n] er> cuga:  vlc?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: it's very similar to Debian, which means it can do practically anything :)
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> So do any of you guys help develope ubuntu ?
[07:10] <bur[n] er> cuga: i'm not convinced it's xorg, but i've seen stranger things
[07:10] <Tezkah> we all help develop ubuntu
[07:10] <Tezkah> by testing it
[07:10] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[07:10] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:10] <tga> any idea how to talk grub into installing on a partition _outside_ of LVM?
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> the official releases? or just customizeing it yourselfs ?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> and patches ;)
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> for yourselfs**
[07:11] <cuga> bur[n] er, its weird that it dont give any errors or anything, just sits there crashed till I kill its pid
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: there are usually a few devs hanging around ;)
[07:11] <count0nz> my boreing scrrn shot :) http://count0nz.no-ip.com/count0nz.png
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[07:11] <IIIEars> You could drag and drop files to an icon if md5sum was added to the panel
[07:11] <bur[n] er> cuga: no audio either?
[07:11] <cuga> nope
[07:11] <benplaut> cuga: can you hear me now?
[07:12] <cuga> hehe
[07:12] <bur[n] er> cuga: what type of file?  try other video types?
[07:12] <IIIEars> Wrestling with zenity is just too hard for a linux newb after only a few weeks with linux.
[07:12] <bur[n] er> just to rule out codec issues
[07:12] <cuga> i've tryed mpeg2 and xvid, both do exact same thing
[07:13] <bur[n] er> cuga: in both mplayer & totem?  very odd
[07:13] <IIIEars> super cat/grep/and pipe commands in one program
[07:13] <bur[n] er> what type of video card?
[07:13] <cuga> 9600XT
[07:13] <cuga> ATI
[07:13] <tga> screenshot party! http://www.sfu.ca/~tga/tga.jpg
[07:13] <cuga> was working fine before i rebuilt this boxen
[07:13] <WNight_> Is there any way that I could boot off a live CD, run apt-get from the installed system and remove the update that seems to have broken the system?
[07:13] <Dr_Melectaus> ohhhh. nice gfx card cuga
[07:13] <bur[n] er> count0nz: you subscribe to cedega?
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: got the fire-gl stuff?
[07:14] <count0nz> bur[n] er, no :(
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, how the hell do you get telly txt on you box?
[07:14] <benplaut> WNight_: looking ath that right now... has to do with chrooting, but i don't know the actual commands i need to get it to downgrade
[07:14] <cuga> bur[n] er, yeah im running the binary drivers
[07:14] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, xdtv :)
[07:14] <bur[n] er> lol @ tga... fancy ;)
[07:14] <tga> ain't it
[07:14] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, and sky tv (free) coff Coff
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> how does one go about getting that
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: f if i know ;)
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Lol
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: try vlc... it uses its own codecs
[07:15] <Dr_Melectaus> how do you get sky for cough*free*cough
[07:15] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, xawdecode-plugins
[07:15] <cuga> bur[n] er, how do i force vlc?
[07:15] <bur[n] er> force vlc?
[07:15] <Madpilot> my desktop, just because: http://img268.echo.cx/img268/5619/madpilot2ph.png
[07:16] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36608 </shameless spamming>
[07:16] <Madpilot> wallpaper from gnome-look.org
[07:16] <cuga> bur[n] er, sorry, im not sure what you mean by vlc, thought you might have been talking about a renderer
[07:16] <tritium> benplaut, did you file that bug already
[07:16] <tritium> ?
[07:16] <bur[n] er> ooh... opera user :)
[07:16] <benplaut> so... what's the risk of chroot uninstalling the kernel, removing the sources.list entry, and then reinstalling from the newest that it has to offer
[07:16] <bur[n] er> cuga: vlc == videolan.org apt-get install vlc
[07:16] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, just not working 100% right now works perfectly under Winblows. but i have to hack the code on Linux converting the plugins from xawdecode to xdtv
[07:16] <benplaut> tritium: yeah... the registration email hasn't come yet... writing it in OOo
[07:17] <tritium> benplaut, okay, great.  Did you provide fairly detailed info?
[07:17] <benplaut> yup
[07:17] <bur[n] er> Madpilot: :)
[07:17] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhhh
[07:17] <nqt> Madpilot, where'd you get that background image?
[07:17] <tritium> benplaut, okay, I was just discussing it with one of the devs
[07:17] <Dr_Melectaus> what hardware do you need to get for to get it count0nz
[07:18] <benplaut> tritium: any suggestions?
[07:18] <Madpilot> nqt: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23009
[07:18] <tritium> benplaut, no, not at this point.  Sorry.
[07:18] <tritium> benplaut, what's the bug number?
[07:18] <nqt> Madpilot, thanks :)
[07:18] <benplaut> i can use a livecd for a while... i guess...
[07:18] <washu> "Nintendo Roms" http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=Nintendo&op=and&sourceid=Mozilla-search
[07:18] <benplaut> tritium: none yet... waiting for the registration email
[07:18] <bur[n] er> washu: wtf?
[07:19] <tritium> Okay
[07:19] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, BT 878 ?? i think but i think xawdecode-plugins works with any analog card
[07:19] <Madpilot> anime, cool!
[07:19] <Dr_Melectaus> how much does that cost about?
[07:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: http://www.megatokyo.com
[07:19] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, you from the uk i take it?
[07:19] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: you mix and match your icon theme?
[07:19] <Amaranth> washu: Please don't do that again.
[07:19] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, 50 or so
[07:20] <count0nz> New Zealand
[07:20] <washu> okay
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> new zeland?? how do you get telly text
[07:20] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, won't work in uk :(
[07:20] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: kind of. it's a mix of the real etiquette and the version ubuntu ships, with my own minor modifications
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> a sheet
[07:20] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, Teletext shuld work there
[07:20] <count0nz> get xdtv
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> what is ubunto coded in?
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: i just noticed a fancier trash icon ;)
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> unutu**
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu*********
[07:21] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Name a language, something in Ubuntu probably uses it.
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> dammit
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: it depends which parts you mean
[07:21] <count0nz> i'll post url
[07:21] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, there are many packages, written in several programming languages.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: that's not really a valid question
[07:21] <bur[n] er> wow, everyone jumped on that question ;)
[07:21] <count0nz> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=67268 <----- Xdtv/Xawdecode
[07:22] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: C, C++, Ruby, Python, Perl, PHP, obj-C (i think), etc
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> ROFFLE
[07:22] <IIIEars_> lol
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> VB. then you woke up mate
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[07:22] <bur[n] er> :)
[07:22] <count0nz> Shhhh don't tell them the secret
[07:23] <zenrox> lol
[07:23] <tritium> thoreauputic, some of the numerical stuff is
[07:23] <Dr_Melectaus> twould amaze me if it was at all possable to code an os in vb
[07:23] <thoreauputic_> actually it's all written in bash - it just pretends to use other stuff ;)
[07:23] <Dr_Melectaus> Im sure there is bound to be a way
[07:23] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Someone is writing an OS in Python.
[07:23] <laosiano> how can i enable "new login" (gdmflexiserver) if a screen has been locked by xscreensaver??
[07:23] <bur[n] er> whoa wtf... anyone see that xmms2 development release is posted on xmms.org ?!?!?  i thought xmms was dead ;)
[07:23] <IIIEars_> thoreaputic - let me a dev is fortran in C++  unusual? - lol
[07:23] <r0d> whats the client tool for dhcp ?
[07:24] <thoreauputic_> dhclient ?
[07:24] <tritium> yes, which is a symlink to dhclient3
[07:24] <r0d> yea, thx
[07:25] <IIIEars_> back to zenity. - No-o-ooo!
[07:25] <tritium> benplaut, please let me know when you get that bug filed
[07:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, im not to familiar with python, as a matter of fact im not a coder or anything so i wouldnt know if codeing an os in python would work or not
[07:25] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: try Xdialog - it isn't as pretty nut the docs are very good
[07:25] <thoreauputic_> *but
[07:26] <benplaut> tritium: yup
[07:26] <count0nz> Zenity is for 31331 hac0rs
[07:26] <Dr_Melectaus> i just know VB wouldnt work because it uses .DLL's and is made by M$
[07:26] <Dr_Melectaus> and nothing by M$ works !_!
[07:26] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: very perspicacious :)
[07:26] <k4rp0r> looks like its time to watch nge :)
[07:26] <IIIEars_away> With only 4 weeks. seasoned newb maybe.
[07:27] <Dr_Melectaus> I use windows and havent moved to nix because im into graphics design
[07:27] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Python isn't a compiled language. It usually needs the Python interpreter to run (which is written in C and needs an OS). I'm not sure what magic they're using.
[07:27] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is that even a word? pers-whatever-ious? ;)
[07:27] <Dr_Melectaus> But the other day i had to reformat twice in 1 day
[07:27] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, you feel inkscape ?
[07:27] <thoreauputic_> Madpilot: sure it is
[07:27] <count0nz>  /s/feel/seen :)
[07:28] <tritium> benplaut, I'm debating rebooting
[07:28] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth,  suppose it would be easier to debug if it uses an interpreter rather than a compiler. But it would be very dam slow id imagine
[07:28] <danko123456> Hi, Guys.
[07:28] <danko123456> I have a question;)
[07:28] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, inkscape??
[07:28] <count0nz> danko123456, giday
[07:28] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Lots of things use interpreters, they aren't slow.
[07:28] <danko123456> Can anyone help me?!?!
[07:28] <danko123456> :)
[07:28] <benplaut> tritium: i wouldn't risk it...
[07:29] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: hey, it is too. It's even in the dictionary included in Ubuntu...
[07:29] <g14> Dr_Melectaus: Inkscape is awesome for vector graphics like Adobe Illustrator. Blender does very good 3d. The gimp isn't a photoshop replacement, but it has 95% of the features of photoshop
[07:29] <tritium> danko123456, just ask
[07:29] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, http://www.inkscape.org
[07:29] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Java, C#, Python, PHP, Perl, Ruby, bash, and more.
[07:29] <danko123456> tritium, I know, I am being sarcastic....it was a skit:)
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> i thought because it would have to handle each line of code one at a time twould be a slow process
[07:29] <count0nz> runs on windows too
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> ill have a bash on the dows version first
[07:30] <g14> holycow: ping
[07:30] <Dr_Melectaus> i would marry adobe if they made a version of there software for nix, hell! i would even feal bad for not paying for it!
[07:30] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, looks good
[07:31] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, agree Photoshop CS rocks
[07:31] <danko123456> You would donate if it was free in other words.
[07:31] <Dr_Melectaus> i used CS for a while.   Are you saying that even recovery mode didn't work?
[07:32] <danko123456> YOu are in the way of progress:)
[07:32] <count0nz> Some one set us up the bomb.
[07:32] <tritium> ?
[07:33] <danko123456> exactly.
[07:33] <danko123456> Just smile and nod, I guess...
[07:33] <tga> Linux idefix 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:33] <count0nz> :)
[07:33] <tga> no kernel problems here
[07:33] <danko123456> There is a bomb in the room, everyone calmly leave in pairs of two...:-p
[07:33] <tritium> tga, I'm going to try now...
[07:33] <Dr_Melectaus> :( i have a rather bad confession to make :(
[07:33] <g14> count0nz: Check out the blender video tutorials section http://www.blender3d.com/cms/Video_Tutorials.396.0.html
[07:33] <g14> Dr_Melectaus: Your on windows right now
[07:33] <count0nz> gl4 thanks
[07:33] <Dr_Melectaus> I use aol. Would i be able to connect to the net with ubuntu
[07:33] <benplaut> tritium: nope... same thing. on i386 and i686 kernels, top
[07:33] <count0nz> bookmarking
[07:33] <benplaut> *too
[07:34] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: You pirate Adobe software?
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> g14, thats correct :(
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, i have legal back ups of it yes ;)
[07:34] <benplaut> bubye tritium!
[07:34] <tritium> see you soon, hopefully ;)
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> incase i loose my original which i did
[07:35] <Dr_Melectaus> why do you ask Amaranth
[07:35] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: "i would even feal bad for not paying for it!"
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> caught me out there
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> you have me rumbled Amaranth
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> But they cant exspect people to pay the prices they charge
[07:36] <danko123456> Yeah, loosing the original is bad, I like em tight...
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Im a dam student
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> i need it for coursework
[07:36] <danko123456> what is dam?
[07:37] <benplaut> damn...
[07:37] <danko123456> thanks
[07:37] <benplaut> good! it worked!
[07:37] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry, didnt realise this was an english lesson :(
[07:37] <tritium> benplaut, yep
[07:38] <danko123456> hah, no sorry, I didnt get it, I thought it was short for something.
[07:38] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: you know python pretty well?
[07:38] <count0nz> :)
[07:38] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: I'd like to think so, yes.
[07:38] <benplaut> tritium: bug 11135
[07:38] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: care to help out on a small small project? :)
[07:38] <Dr_Melectaus> running incscape now
[07:39] <tritium> benplaut, ok, thanks
[07:39] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, :) kewl tell us what you think
[07:39] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Depends on what you mean by help. I've got Smeg, PyMusique, musik, and BitTorrent to deal with.
[07:39] <Dr_Melectaus> aye ill see if i can do anything c00l with it
[07:40] <danko123456> or something 1337!
[07:40] <danko123456> I suck!
[07:40] <Amaranth> ...
[07:40] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: aww... didn't know you were such a busy man :)  ever use the system tray with python?
[07:40] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Yeah, actually I did with BitTorrent.
[07:41] <bur[n] er> with bittorrent?  (i assume some non-official?)
[07:41] <danko123456> You didnt know he made bittorent??
[07:41] <danko123456> :-p
[07:41] <bur[n] er> Amaranth == bram?
[07:41] <nickrud> Amaranth, :)
[07:41] <nickrud> that too?
[07:42] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Nope, just someone trying to make BitTorrent not suck. :)
[07:42] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:42] <danko123456> Yeah, and you know that circle of stones, stonehenge??
[07:42] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Little mods and packaging.
[07:42] <danko123456> He did that one, 2...
[07:42] <bur[n] er> cool with me, i love bittorrent :)  azureus == my client of choice though
[07:42] <count0nz> azureus here too :)
[07:42] <Dr_Melectaus> :( i have to say incscape isnt anywhere near as good as photoshop
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> but its not bad
[07:43] <danko123456> i dont bittorent, I cant findf any sites:(
[07:43] <tga> how can I resize one of my LVM partitions and create a new one?
[07:43] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: for the record, I'm trying to make a simple python frontend for x11vnc and I was hoping it could sit in the systray, similar to TightVNC for windows
[07:43] <tritium> good night, all
[07:43] <freewoody> I can't ping my private Local Network from another network
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> whats incscape coded in
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> looks like java :-\
[07:43] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: inkscape is to Illustrator as gimp is to photoshop
[07:44] <danko123456> freewoody: so? give us moer info, and we may be able to tell you something...
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: definately not java
[07:44] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: comparing inkscape to photoshop is a little odd, isn't it?
[07:44] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: how does that make any difference to you?
[07:44] <benplaut> but inkscape is still pretty weak...
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[07:44] <tritium> take care, benplaut.  I hope your kernel panic problems get resolved.
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> i rarely use illustrator
[07:44] <danko123456> good night, Tritium
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> dont really do vector graphics
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> more techy stuff
[07:44] <tritium> good night, danko123456
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: point being, you're comparing apples to oranges ;)
[07:44] <benplaut> tritium: in worst case, i will just do a reinstall...
[07:44] <danko123456> thanks:)
[07:45] <tritium> benplaut, eww, hopefully not necessary
[07:45] <freewoody> Well I am using a 192.168.x.x network at home and I can ping any computers from office
[07:45] <danko123456> You cant, rather..
[07:45] <danko123456> Ok, a router?
[07:45] <danko123456> Gateway? Hub?
[07:45] <freewoody> I can't ping any computers from office
[07:45] <danko123456> Transport level gateway? app level gateway?
[07:45] <benplaut> tritium: well... i'm up to my neck in researching downgrading via apt, so hopefully i'll find something, and be able to chroot it...
[07:45] <Dr_Melectaus> tga, just aint very fond of java. C can do the same job but java seams to take up more resources and runs alot slower i feal
[07:46] <freewoody> Well I can ping the gateway
[07:46] <danko123456> The gateway device?
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo
[07:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Plus. With java, you can retrieve passwords with a 60 watt light bulb
[07:46] <danko123456> Hi.
[07:46] <bur[n] er> freewoody: just can't ping "to" the office or "from" the office to your pc?
[07:46] <danko123456> from office to hoem.
[07:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Now, how could they have overlooked such a flaw :P
[07:46] <freewoody> Well from office to my home pc
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> I'm having a slight issue. o.O;;
[07:47] <bur[n] er> freewoody:  know your external ip?  www.ipchicken.com
[07:47] <danko123456> What device do you have, a router? or a router modem combo?
[07:47] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: go ahead.
[07:47] <bur[n] er> danko123456: doesn't matter either way :P
[07:47] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8W7tXG69.html
[07:47] <bur[n] er> danko123456: same steps regardless
[07:47] <danko123456> Right, I just wanna know...
[07:47] <CrustyPunk> I just rebooted my system, and now I can't get a resolution higher than 640x480
[07:47] <danko123456> Yes, but maybe it is a switch.
[07:47] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: That should get you started. Basically it creates a tray icon that closes when you left click on it.
[07:48] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: thanks :)  i was playin with that egg.trayicon before
[07:48] <bur[n] er> right on
[07:48] <danko123456> freewoody: what was the command you used?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> i don't need much more to be honest ;)
[07:48] <bur[n] er> a simple menu with a couple options and things should be good :)  thanks!
[07:48] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Well you'll probably want to make it show/hide the window on left click and have a tooltip. And probably have a popup menu (you can make that in glade) on right click.
[07:49] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, the first check is to see what X thinks you should be able to do, so in a terminal, grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:49] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: the popup menu is a glade object?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: just make sure you always destroy() the tray icon before you close the app, otherwise it'll stay there until you log out.
[07:49] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, does that show a resolution greater than 640x480?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: The menu itself is, but you have to write code to make it show up.
[07:50] <danko123456> freewoody: you fell off.
[07:50] <CrustyPunk> It says the default mode it 640x480, 25.2 MHz
[07:50] <danko123456> How, Danko, My last album was "The Chronic"...
[07:50] <hellfire_bg> Hi
[07:50] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, only one then
[07:50] <danko123456> hi
[07:50] <hellfire_bg> Have anyone maneged to get TV Shuttle2 tv card working?
[07:50] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: thanks, i think i've got some reading to do regarding glade + menu, but it doens't look too menacing
[07:51] <danko123456> hellfire_bg: did you check out the forums?
[07:51] <CrustyPunk> Nick: that's the problem. I was in 1024x768 before I rebooted
[07:51] <Amaranth> it's a widget you choose in the additional section
[07:51] <hellfire_bg> i checked but i found nothing about exactly that card
[07:51] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: ^^^, btw you can have more than one window in the same glade file
[07:51] <hellfire_bg> i posted a theme
[07:51] <CrustyPunk> I'm worried my videocard got fried but I can't see how it could have
[07:51] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: I have all of my windows and my popup menu in the smeg glade file.
[07:52] <danko123456> hellfire_bg: cool, good idea:) I dont know, sorry.
[07:52] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, if it works, it works
[07:52] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.017.htp <--it's for a treeview but if you strip that bit of code out this is a good example of making a popup menu show up
[07:52] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: i know you can have more than one window ;)
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> True
[07:52] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, so, first of several questions
[07:52] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: did you reboot again?
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> yeah
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> Multiple times
[07:53] <danko123456> maybe it is like, every even time you boot...
[07:53] <rob_lt> Hi.  Is there a 2.6.12 (rc) kernel available somewhere for ubuntu?  Where would I find it?
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: Only in breezy.
[07:53] <egg|hardened> www.kernel.org?
[07:53] <fabbione> rob_lt: yes there are. they are in the universe repository for breezy
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: Which you should _not_ use.
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: breezy i mean, not the kernel
[07:53] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I don't mind experimenting.  I'm actually on a debian sarge machine right now, but I'm going to try an ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel.  Can you give me a link?
[07:54] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, which video cared are you using?
[07:54] <CrustyPunk> Radeon 9600
[07:54] <CrustyPunk> 128mb
[07:54] <bur[n] er> thanks again Amaranth
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> On ubunto, would i be able to install drivers for my ati mobility radeon 9200 gfx card?
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu**
[07:54] <Amaranth> rob_lt: You're nuts. A development kernel from Ubuntu on a sarge system? If you can't figure out how to get it on your own you probably shouldn't be doing that.
[07:54] <Amaranth> rob_lt: No offense, but I don't give out advice that breaks systems. :)
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> Dr: I was just looking for Radeon drivers
[07:55] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I've compiled my own kernel likely over a hundred times... I'm just experimenting here.
[07:55] <egg|hardened> Amaranth, ???
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> ATI doesn't have any for Debian-based distro
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> s
[07:55] <nickrud> have you stepped through that?
[07:55] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[07:55] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I do appreciate your hesitance (is that a word) though.
[07:55] <Amaranth> rob_lt: archive.ubuntu.com has all the debs
[07:55] <danko123456> yes, the kernel compile...have you ever written one is teh question...
[07:55] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> i assume there is no way to use the windows drivers at all, like any progs that take them and get them to work on ubuntu
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> how bur[n] er ?
[07:56] <nickrud> I have no ati, so ,,,
[07:56] <rob_lt> Amaranth, thanks... I'll let you know how it goes ;)
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: but i am going to upload a new version today
[07:56] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: ndiswrapper for wireless cards
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: so you probably want to wait tomorrow
[07:56] <rob_lt> fabbione, ahhh... linux-source.  I was looking in kernel-image and that only went up to 2.6.11 (I think)
[07:56] <rob_lt> fabbione, sounds good.  Thanks.  And thanks again Amaranth.
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: yes, we use a different name schema
[07:57] <fabbione> rob_lt: that's up to 12rc4.
[07:57] <fabbione> so you know what you are going to install :)
[07:57] <rob_lt> thanks :)
[07:57] <danko123456> :)
[07:57] <daniels> CrustyPunk: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:57] <daniels> Dr_Melectaus: see above
[07:57] <Dr_Melectaus> ta
[07:57] <egg|hardened> max
[07:57] <fabbione> rob_lt: if you install the binaries, you might have to grab other packages too from ubuntu.
[07:58] <CrustyPunk> Dan: thanks
[07:59] <Dr_Melectaus> bollocks, i have 9200
[07:59] <danko123456> dont kik da dog.
[07:59] <dr_willis> Woof
[07:59] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:59] <egg|hardened> o_O
[07:59] <danko123456> I work tech support in chat for COmcast, so, anyhow, this guy comes into my chat, and is like, fix mah connection...and Im like, are you a South Park fan, hes like, yes...
[08:00] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Your card is supported with an open source driver.
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> ohh cool ::D
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> :D **
[08:00] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: You don't have to do any extra work to make it work right, just install Ubuntu and it goes.
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[08:00] <egg|hardened> enough
[08:01] <CrustyPunk> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> i thought i would have to arse around for ages getting sound to work, pcmcia, ethernet etc
[08:01] <danko123456> too much is never enough.
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> messed around with knoppix live and it didnt detect shit
[08:01] <danko123456> did you have shit plugged in at that time?
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[08:01] <danko123456> wel, how would it detect it then...
[08:02] <hellfire_bg> no one knows how to get TV Shuttle 2 tv card working?
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> well, when i was trying to have a bash at cross platform networking
[08:02] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: well, that explains it then ;-)
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> i plugged the eth in
[08:02] <danko123456> its all in the upbringing, hellfire_bg, you gotta taech 'em young
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> then done the detect eth0 command (cant remember it)
[08:03] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, that's in the restricted repository
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> well i mean the cat5 wasnt plugged in if thats what your getting at thoreauputic_
[08:03] <zachary> hello, i was wondering what the command was for installing the w32 plugins
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> I have to say im prett excited about trying this OS
[08:03] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: I was just going along with the joke ;)
[08:03] <hellfire_bg> apt -get install w32codecs
[08:03] <zachary> thanks hellfire
[08:04] <danko123456> if yo are root, yes...
[08:04] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:04] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, unless someone tells you otherwise, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853
[08:04] <danko123456> thats for you, zachary
[08:05] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, then you'll have access
[08:05] <CrustyPunk> Ten-four
[08:05] <danko123456> nickrud: oooooh, nice...thats mine now...
[08:05] <nickrud> I'm tired of lame sources.list
[08:06] <zachary> nickrud sources.list is the most annoying file i've ever edited
[08:06] <danko123456> well, its good for comments:)
[08:06] <nickrud> zachary, it's simple, it's just political
[08:06] <nickrud> or, not just :)
[08:07] <Dr_Melectaus> How long has Ubuntu been around then? id of thought it would be better known
[08:07] <danko123456> not even, do you have a university diploma, nickrud?
[08:07] <benplaut> ^^1 year and a few months?
[08:07] <nickrud> danko123456, no, just seat of the pants
[08:07] <danko123456> whats that?   Why would you say something like that :(
[08:09] <Tezkah> oh yeah?
[08:09] <Tezkah> ryan@averatux:~$ uname -r
[08:09] <egg|hardened> rob_lt, ^_^ just joke
[08:10] <count0nz> my machine shuld be onfire :)
[08:10] <count0nz> temp1:       +32C  (high =    +4C, hyst =  +120C)   sensor = diode   ALARM
[08:10] <count0nz> temp2:     +46.5C  (high =  +120C, hyst =  +120C)   sensor = diode
[08:10] <danko123456> zachary, its easy:)
[08:10] <Tezkah> 2.8.0-1-686
[08:10] <Tezkah> YES
[08:10] <rob_lt> egg|hardened, :)
[08:10] <danko123456> wow, count0nz.
[08:10] <count0nz> 114.8F cpu temp
[08:10] <danko123456> tezkah....mhm...
[08:10] <zachary> danko i had a good time learning how to do alot of stuff from being a newb and compiling mplayer all in the first night
[08:10] <zachary> i hated that
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Tezkah: you invented a time machine?
[08:11] <rob_lt> zachary, ouch... trial by fire
[08:11] <danko123456> heh, well, I have a compilation instruction that is easy.
[08:11] <count0nz> Goes and cooks my eggs
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> Mm
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> Eggs sound good
[08:11] <zachary> i wanted to use rhthym box like itunes but everytime i tried to open a mp3 it would scream i need a plugin
[08:11] <count0nz> heatsink is nice and cool tho
[08:11] <rob_bed> 'night all
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> But if I go to the kitchen I'll wake my parents up
[08:11] <zachary> i installed all the gstreamer business
[08:11] <danko123456> yup.
[08:11] <danko123456> rob_bed: ^
[08:11] <zachary> so i thought maybe the w32 codecs was what i needed
[08:12] <Tezkah> is someone insulting my 2.8 kernel?
[08:12] <Amaranth> zachary: You got gstreamer-mad?
[08:12] <Tezkah> hehe
[08:12] <danko123456> tezkah...just nodding, and smiling...
[08:12] <Madpilot> count0nz: I'm getting the impression that the sensor util (lm-sensors) needs pretty serious calibration before you can take it seriously.
[08:12] <Tezkah> well you see, along with kernel 2.8, they added a new feature
[08:12] <Tezkah> you can go back in time on IRC
[08:12] <danko123456> Amaranth: I just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[08:12] <Tezkah> its fun
[08:12] <danko123456> ha
[08:12] <danko123456> :)
[08:13] <danko123456> sweet, we could never know,.
[08:13] <Tezkah> everyone uses gentoo now
[08:13] <danko123456> Im talking to the computer here...
[08:13] <Madpilot> count0nz: somebody earlier this weekend posted that their CPU temp was over 4 MILLION C...
[08:13] <danko123456> f that, Tezkah.
[08:13] <count0nz> Madpilot, agree its not that hot to the touch so i doughtits that hot
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> is it debian that ubuntu is based on?
[08:13] <Tezkah> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[08:13] <count0nz> Madpilot, kewl ;)
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> Cool
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[08:13] <danko123456> yeah,, not bad.
[08:13] <count0nz> this is a 1600 Duron running 1800 :) 2Ghz :)
[08:14] <danko123456> well, whatever, I would let it run at lower...
[08:14] <count0nz> but still its not 100F
[08:14] <danko123456> same crap...
[08:14] <Tezkah> this is a K7 2000+, running 400mhz
[08:14] <Madpilot> count0nz: they posted the number as something like 4,555,123 C, and wanted to know what that was in F - thought it might be a normal temp...
[08:14] <egg|hardened> fsb
[08:14] <Tezkah> Madpilot: was that the temp output?
[08:14] <count0nz> Tezkah, nice
[08:14] <danko123456> Madpilot: what?
[08:14] <danko123456> not even?
[08:15] <Tezkah> count0nz: gotta love powernowd, keeping the lappy nice and cool (athcool helps too)
[08:15] <count0nz> Madpilot, :) oh god i think the room whuld be vaporised at that kind of tempure :)
[08:15] <danko123456> :-/
[08:15] <Madpilot> Tezkah, danko123456: somebody's lm-sensor numbers from a few days ago here. An American who didn't know celsius
[08:15] <danko123456> no?
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Time to reboot and see if it worked
[08:15] <Madpilot> and didn't know how badly borked numbers like that are!
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> oh jesus christ O_O im downloading ubuntu at 2.28kbs
[08:16] <danko123456> no rebooting, are you in linux?
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> 82 hours ?!?
[08:16] <danko123456> dr, get a torrent
[08:16] <abarbaccia> Dr_Melectaus, bt
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> allright
[08:16] <count0nz> 32F = 0 C 100C is Bong 0C is freezeing
[08:16] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, O_0
[08:16] <benplaut> OK, wish me luck
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, where can i get a torrent for ubuntu
[08:16] <danko123456> bong?
[08:16] <CrustyPunk> Danko
[08:16] <count0nz>  /s/bong/boiling
[08:16] <CrustyPunk> Yes I am
[08:16] <count0nz> LOL
[08:16] <benplaut> upgraded initrd-tools, and going for a boot!
[08:16] <danko123456> crusty, what did you do?
[08:16] <danko123456> no rebooting, almost...
[08:17] <Madpilot> count0nz: bong/boiling/same thing. glad some Americans know C!
[08:17] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, 38400 bps old modem?
[08:17] <Tezkah> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> nah i have 1meg
[08:17] <count0nz> Madpilot, lol
[08:17] <benplaut> if you see me back again in about five minutes, it means i lived :)
[08:17] <count0nz> :)
[08:17] <Tezkah> You can download the ISO file directly, or join the Torrent by downloading the equivalent .torrent file from the download site of your choice.
[08:17] <danko123456> yeah, but air dont boil, americans:-p
[08:17] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, try BT
[08:17] <CrustyPunk> Danko: I was getting the xorg drivers
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> yea where can i get a good torrent for it though
[08:18] <danko123456> dr, get the torrent of teh site
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> if you know of any
[08:18] <danko123456> dr, the site has it...
[08:18] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, try "linux BT" project?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[08:18] <egg|hardened> g
[08:18] <danko123456> no, I mean, google would know, were it not right there on the site.
[08:19] <abarbaccia> 30% of internet traffic is from bt
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> ill get the install/live dvd one
[08:19] <Madpilot> 4 million C is, apparently, about the temp of the surface of the sun...
[08:19] <danko123456> dr, why do you feel like a royal "spastic"?:)
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> danko123456: because i ask t many Q's
[08:20] <danko123456> dr, get a torrent of the install, you have dial up...
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[08:20] <george_> i know i am not welcome here but i have one question left if anyone can help me
[08:20] <danko123456> I know, it was in the post.
[08:20] <egg|hardened> Madpilot, no,6000
[08:20] <george_> why is agnubis missing from the ubuntu repositories
[08:20] <count0nz> abarbaccia, yes
[08:20] <danko123456> george_: yeah, youre not welcome, why are you asking?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> cerebral palsy is not correlated with stupidity
[08:20] <danko123456> haha
[08:21] <danko123456> thoreauputic: >>?
[08:21] <count0nz> Madpilot, LOL i thourt it around that i was figureing the room whuld kinda be plasma or something
[08:21] <egg|hardened> >_>
[08:21] <george_> danko123456, well i am trying to find the file agnubis and i don't see it in any of the ubuntu repositories and yet it is so important as a gnu program
[08:21] <danko123456> george_: lets find it:)
[08:21] <Madpilot> egg|hardened: close enough :) far warmer than a CPU should be reporting, anyway...
[08:21] <danko123456> nope, not in the repos.
[08:22] <danko123456> lets see if marillat has it.
[08:22] <Tezkah> hmm, how would I check the temp of my cpu?
[08:22] <count0nz> yes.... the surface temp is not that hot realy :)
[08:22] <danko123456> tezkah, you could touch it to see...
[08:22] <Tezkah> well yeah
[08:22] <danko123456> If you really wanted to kno...
[08:22] <Tezkah> thats how I do it now
[08:22] <count0nz> Tezkah, if you have lmsensors installed type sensors it shuld report it
[08:22] <danko123456> me too, all the time.
[08:22] <george_> danko123456, how could ubuntu miss such an important part of gnome office
[08:23] <count0nz> i allways touch my cpu :)
[08:23] <Tezkah> lm-sensors, ah
[08:23] <danko123456> george_: I am not a MOTU, cant tell you...
[08:23] <Tezkah> I like that I'm actually smart enough to find things nowadays
[08:23] <danko123456> they can prolly put it.
[08:24] <george_> danko123456, well i guess if nobody knows ....i am out of here...i have many other things to work on.
[08:24] <danko123456> count0nz: daily?
[08:24] <danko123456> hah, moron.
[08:24] <danko123456> anyhow...:-p
[08:24] <count0nz> danko123456, not daily lol hay whats VBAT ?
[08:24] <danko123456> dict.
[08:25] <CrustyPunk> Um.. I think I made it worse. =o
[08:25] <CrustyPunk> It won't even let me pull up the resolution change dialog box
[08:25] <count0nz> :(
[08:25] <Burgundavia> CrustyPunk, are you using the ati drivers?
[08:25] <john_> what program will work in ubuntu that is like stardocks objectdock
[08:25] <danko123456> crusty, to restart X, alt+ctrl+del.
[08:26] <CrustyPunk> I was told to get the xorg dribvers
[08:26] <danko123456> backspace, rather...:(
[08:26] <dr_willis> heh like many know what objectdoc does. :P
[08:26] <Tezkah> No sensors found!
[08:26] <Tezkah> hmm, ruh roh
[08:26] <danko123456> dr_willis: heh...
[08:26] <danko123456> two doctors, eh?
[08:26] <egg|hardened> CrustyPunk: recompiling?
[08:26] <dr_willis> Tezkah,  you ran sensors-config ?
[08:27] <danko123456> egg|hardened: isnt he changing res?
[08:27] <Tezkah> bash: sensors-config: command not found
[08:27] <john_> its a os x like dock
[08:27] <danko123456> ha, you never installed it.
[08:27] <dr_willis> try 'sens<tab>" :P
[08:27] <egg|hardened> xorg's host.def
[08:27] <dr_willis> john_,  theres dozens of dock/warf/whatever/thinggies out there. :P
[08:27] <Tezkah> ah. hmm
[08:27] <CrustyPunk> "The X Server does not spport the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:28] <john_> is the a page that has screenshots that compares them dr_willis ?
[08:28] <Madpilot> quick Q: which kernel # does Hoary use?
[08:28] <dr_willis> john_,  proberly not :P they all suck. :P
[08:28] <danko123456> uname -r
[08:29] <Madpilot> trying to run sensors_detect here...
[08:29] <abarbaccia> god - make modules takes YEARSSS
[08:29] <john_> or text descriptions
[08:29] <dr_willis> john_,  ive jsut seen dozens if implementions of dock-like things.. Ya could check out that gdesklets
[08:29] <Invisible> Madpilot, 2.6.10
[08:29] <Madpilot> thx all.
[08:29] <Tezkah> or just use XFCE
[08:29] <Tezkah> so hot
[08:30] <wdh> :P
[08:30] <CrustyPunk> Danko: was that uname -r directed at me? *confused*
[08:30] <danko123456> Madpilot.
[08:30] <CrustyPunk> Okay.
[08:30] <danko123456> kk
[08:31] <john_> i have xfce :) still need to try it out more it was nice and fast
[08:31] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I logged back in I got bombarded with updates
[08:31] <CrustyPunk> Mayhaps that'll help?
[08:31] <danko123456> VBAT Battery 3.14 V <<[08:32] <danko123456> its not a q.
[08:32] <Tezkah> xfce is my main desktop now
[08:32] <john_> is there a simple way to import my firefox/outlook 2003 mail/settings
[08:32] <CrustyPunk> "The X Server does not spport the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:33] <CrustyPunk> Can anyone explain that to a LinuxNub? =x
[08:33] <danko123456> csv.
[08:33] <Tezkah> john_: firefox settings is easy
[08:33] <Tezkah> just export your bookmarks... and that should be it
[08:33] <Tezkah> Outlook would be a lot more tricky
[08:33] <danko123456> not even
[08:33] <danko123456> just export to like thunderbird
[08:33] <benplaut> AARG!
[08:34] <sanggol> heya ... i'm new to ubuntu
[08:34] <benplaut> DIDN'T WORK!!!
[08:34] <benplaut> hi sanggol
[08:34] <danko123456> bookmarks, manage bookmarks
[08:34] <Tezkah> hi sanggol, the first step is admitting you have an addiction
[08:34] <sanggol> dload the live cd and liked it :)
[08:34] <Invisible> hi sanggol
[08:34] <danko123456> File menu, import export
[08:34] <danko123456> for firefox.
[08:34] <CrustyPunk> Heh
[08:34] <benplaut> Tezkah: ...true...true...
[08:35] <sanggol> ok Tezkah ... i'm addicted
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, I downloaded Ubuntu and immediately liked it better than Slackware
[08:35] <Tezkah> now sanggol ... do you feel a need to use ubuntu... when you're all alone?
[08:35] <john_> i got the bookmarks imported i wanted the stored passwords/extentions too
[08:35] <Tezkah> or are you more of a social ubuntu user?
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> I'm still a little shaky and trying to get everything doing what it's supposed to though. D=
[08:35] <sanggol> haven't really installed it ... just phasing out a really bad os
[08:35] <danko123456> I hide behind the couch and use ubuntu.
[08:35] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: apt-get is awesome
[08:35] <Tezkah> I sometimes use ubuntu in the toilet...
[08:35] <sanggol> i got fedora in one machine though
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: That it is
[08:36] <CrustyPunk> But Apt-Get isn't fixing my resolution problem =P
[08:36] <Tezkah> ah, what is it again?
[08:36] <danko123456> john_: ha
[08:36] <Tezkah> okay
[08:36] <CrustyPunk> I'm stuck in 640x480
[08:36] <sanggol> dunno ... just gotta see if it grows on me ... i think it will
[08:37] <sanggol> gotta question though
[08:37] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: you using gaim?
[08:37] <sanggol> re: pppoe
[08:37] <daniels> CrustyPunk: let me guess -- integrated intel graphics on a desktop?
[08:37] <danko123456> pppoeconf
[08:37] <danko123456> ha
[08:37] <danko123456> daniels: no a simple binary, was it?
[08:37] <sanggol> heh
[08:37] <CrustyPunk> Dan: ATI Radeon 9600 128mb <3
[08:38] <Tezkah> "The problem with the Xrandr is a known issue with ATI and nvidia drivers. The only way you can change the resolution is by editing /etc/xorg.conf."
[08:38] <sanggol> duh?
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> Someone pointed me to the xorg drivers but that didn't fix it
[08:38] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: if you are using gaim, please try typing in dank<tab> to see tab completion:)
[08:38] <daniels> danko123456: ?
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> I'm not =P
[08:38] <daniels> CrustyPunk: hmm.  oh, xrandr, right.
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> I'm using X-Chat
[08:39] <danko123456> kk
[08:39] <slak> THE DOCTOR IS IN
[08:39] <Tezkah> tab completion also works, CrustyPunk CrustyPunk CrustyPunk
[08:39] <CrustyPunk> Actually, I think X-Chat has a complete too
[08:39] <Tezkah> and in IRC... and in bash...
[08:39] <CrustyPunk> Great minds think alike?
[08:39] <danko123456> I dont think alike...
[08:39] <danko123456> so...
[08:39] <ivoks> Tezkah: and the best completion is in zsh ;)
[08:39] <john_> can my stored passwords be imported/extentions?
[08:39] <saber_> i just created my first dvd movie backup! go me!
[08:40] <danko123456> woot
[08:40] <sanggol> here's a really dumb question. how easy is it to config pppoe on ubuntu? how??
[08:40] <saber_> http://kavlon.org/index.php/dvdbackup             <- reliable guide
[08:40] <slak> I AM HERE TO ABORT THE DEFORMED FETUS THAT IS UBUNTU LINUX
[08:40] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: I also edited the xorg.conf and tht didn't appear to help either
[08:40] <danko123456> lol
[08:40] <danko123456> :)
[08:41] <ivoks> :))
[08:41] <danko123456> that was too funny.
[08:41] <IceDC571> does ubuntu support bluetooth out of the box?
[08:41] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: have you restarted the xserver?
[08:41] <danko123456> whatta/koji freak
[08:41] <CrustyPunk> Yeah
[08:41] <danko123456> lmao
[08:42] <sanggol> great...all these years and ppl still mess around chatrooms good one daniels
[08:42] <benplaut> ^^um... that was odd...
[08:42] <danko123456> I am gonna save that as a quote, that should be in the topic...
[08:42] <daniels> there are better things to be putting in the topic
[08:42] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: Did you see the error message I get when trying to get to the resolution dialog box?
[08:42] <SlicerDicer-> greetings people I am wondering if I can use KDE with ubuntu?
[08:42] <SlicerDicer-> I really dont want to use gnome
[08:42] <sanggol> can anyone pont me to where i can read abt pppoe config on ubuntu???
[08:42] <yacoob_> SlicerDicer-: look for kubuntu
[08:42] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: see #kubuntu
[08:43] <danko123456> right, but that was funny, tho, c'mon now...
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> good stuff
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> thanks guys
[08:43] <lms> sanggol: sudo pppoeconf
[08:43] <danko123456> SlicerDicer-: you can install it.
[08:43] <yacoob_> Bah.
[08:43] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <sanggol> tnx lms but doh
[08:43] <yacoob_> memtest has found single error bit :|
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> does kubuntu do 64bit?
[08:43] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: something about XRandR extension, right?
[08:43] <sanggol> like i said i'm new to linux
[08:43] <CrustyPunk> yea
[08:44] <CrustyPunk> h
[08:44] <CrustyPunk> The X Server doesn't support it.
[08:44] <danko123456> open a terminal, and type that in as a command.
[08:44] <sanggol> ahh gotcha ... tnx lms
[08:44] <ubuntu> hi
[08:44] <danko123456> yo!!!!!!
[08:44] <xulin> i have a big pb :s
[08:44] <Tezkah> I don't konw...
[08:45] <danko123456> I cant wait to hear that one.
[08:45] <xulin> make the update of kernel and dont dont now :s
[08:45] <sanggol> any1 here in china?
[08:45] <danko123456> ha
[08:45] <SlicerDicer-> ok well question for ya then guys. Ubuntu AMD64 does it do emulation of 32bit stuff so I can run games.  Could that possibly help?
[08:46] <SlicerDicer-> danko123456: I havent run a chroot ever with 64bit in gentoo...  That's pitiful.
[08:48] <Nikita> Linux MiKai 2.6.11-gentoo-r6-Optima4 #5 SMP Sun May 22 02:58:33 UTC 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[08:48] <thoreauputic> john_: the ubuntu 1.02 is patched to the same security level as 1.04
[08:48] <daniels> Nikita: ease up on the condescention, please
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus_> xulin, are you the creator of ubuntu ?
[08:48] <danko123456> nikita:)
[08:48] <daniels> CrustyPunk: regardless of what it is, please leave it at the door
[08:48] <danko123456> haha
[08:48] <SlicerDicer-> fuck you very much Nikita I have spent 2 weeks and totally screwed the minds of several devlopers so bite me
[08:48] <danko123456> haha
[08:48] <danko123456> awesomke
[08:48] <danko123456> sweet night
[08:48] <SlicerDicer-> if I cant get a simple answer without being flamed then sod off
[08:48] <xulin> Dr_Melectaus, no why :s ?
[08:48] <Nikita> SlicerDicer-: you missed my point.
[08:48] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: watch the language, please
[08:48] <CrustyPunk> Haha
[08:49] <Nikita> SlicerDicer-: it's alright though you would have missed it if I stapled it to your cock
[08:49] <CrustyPunk> Can't say I've ever heard anyone use that term in actual conversation.
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> sorry daniels
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> whats that CrustyPunk?
[08:49] <danko123456> xulin: did you have a question?
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus_> xulin, you came in with the nick ununtu O_o
[08:49] <CrustyPunk> "F-U Very Much"
[08:49] <john_> but features are missing cant both be run at the same time
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[08:49] <ivoks> CrustyPunk: sod off? :)
[08:49] <scapor> Hey, how do I fsck my / partition ?  I mean .. I can't find a ay to mount it that way I can do it .. itf it's mounted it's not possible .. I should mount it read-only ;. but will it be able to repair stuff then ?
[08:49] <daniels> Nikita: please go read the ubuntu code of conduct and come back when you've done so
[08:49] <Nikita> daniels: My language wasn't a portion of some others.
[08:49] <pd_> interesting day here
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Heh
[08:50] <levander> scapor: you sure you not supposed to do that with the filesystem unmounted?
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Why is it that I always end up until four in the morning?
[08:50] <levander> CrustyPunk: because you have no discipline
[08:50] <scapor> levander: but how can I .. it's my / partition ???
[08:50] <xulin> Dr_Melectaus, yes i am with the livecd :s .. the update of the kernel don't work on that box :s
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> I was specifically planning to go to bed early tonight, yet here I am, trying to fix my computer at 3:00 am
[08:50] <Tezkah> where would I choose my X11 cursor?
[08:50] <Dr_Melectaus_> ahh
[08:50] <danko123456> ha, go to bed, dude:)
[08:50] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: what I am asking is if I am running a pure 64bit enviroment well 32bit binaries will not work on those 64bit libs so are there emul libs that allow the 32bit apps to run just like fedora has just like the nvidia drivers have even and just like gentoo has
[08:50] <levander> scapor: you have to boot off a rescue disk or something like that I think
[08:50] <danko123456> its 2 here.
[08:51] <scapor> :|
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: perhaps I did not make clear what I was talking about :)
[08:51] <Tezkah> this gentoo readme points at ~/.Xdefaults, but I don't have that file
[08:51] <levander> scapor: check out knoppix, is supposed to be great for that type of stuff
[08:51] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: yes, there are emulation libraries, and you can also run a 32-bit chroot if you want
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> daniels: I really dont want to do chroot
[08:51] <CrustyPunk> Levander: It's not that I don't have discipline, it's more that my computer all of a sudden decided it'd be cool to think I have a 640x480 max graphics card =P
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Tezkah: you might want to install gcursors
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> daniels: thats why I was asking if there was a option :) thanks for the info
[08:51] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: in that case, the emulation libraries should be all you need
[08:52] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: its all big, eh?
[08:52] <levander> CrustyPunk: so go to bed, that way you get up earlier and can work on it bright and early
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Yup.
[08:52] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: how long do you use linux? 2, 3? weeks, ofcourse :)
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Ever since college got out I've turned into a nearly nocturnal creature. =P
[08:53] <levander> CrustyPunk: like i was saying, no discipline
[08:53] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: I have been using it for quite a long time buddy
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> It'd be a lack of discipline if I stayed up until 4:00 am during the school year, ;)
[08:53] <danko123456> months even?
[08:53] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: 64bit gentoo has some massive issues so please dont judge me on problems that are outside my control
[08:53] <danko123456> no, but, wh not that chroot?
[08:54] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: doesn't seem so, cause you are changing distro cause of soundcard
[08:54] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: man dont make me lose it on ya... gentoo has massive issues with it on my computer I have spent 2 weeks working on this
[08:54] <nqt> is there a hidden option to get the "switch workspace on root window wheeling" functionality?
[08:54] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: Gentoo uses Linux kernel!
[08:54] <SlicerDicer-> do you really want me to go into what all I have done? Maybe then you will understand why I am consdiering switching
[08:54] <danko123456> ha.
[08:54] <levander> ivoks: cut the crap, we realize that you're smarter than all of us, we don't care
[08:55] <nqt> in gnome*
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: Ubuntu uses Linux kernel
[08:55] <danko123456> why not chroot?
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: result will be THE SAME
[08:55] <danko123456> ha
[08:55] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: then explain why fedora works and gentoo does not?
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: then it will work on Gentoo too, you only need to see where is problem
[08:55] <nqt> perhaps the patches they apply
[08:55] <danko123456> gentoo compiles everything, maybe that is it..
[08:55] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: grow up man you havent been on my end testing you dont know what I have done dont judge me
[08:55] <levander> ivoks: there's more to a distribution than the kernel
[08:55] <danko123456> and fedora is redaht.
[08:56] <ivoks> levander: we are talking about sound card support
[08:56] <danko123456> ok, well, lets fix his card:-p
[08:56] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: the results are not the same on fedora and gentoo but they use THE SAME KERNEL!!! explain that one all mighty kick ass linux user that you are
[08:56] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: i don't judge you, i'm just saying... kernel is kernel, where ever you are :)
[08:56] <danko123456> why are you YELLING, I can read you fine...
[08:56] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: first of all, they don't use same kernel
[08:57] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: they patch it with their own patches
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: actually I used the fedora kernel so ha they were
[08:57] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: you could d/w fedora kernel and build it
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: like I said you know nothing of what I did
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> dont judge me
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> dont assume
[08:57] <danko123456> ok, already.
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> when you assume well you know what they say
[08:57] <ivoks> so... you are talking about what soundcard?
[08:57] <levander> ivoks is a moron, just ignore him SlicerDicer-
[08:57] <thoreauputic> guys, take it to #ubuntu-flamers
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> sorry man ivoks he is really getting on my nerves
[08:57] <danko123456> Im sure ivoks does not know what they say, he is ESL.
[08:58] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to ask some serious questions here and he wont stop
[08:58] <ivoks> :)
[08:58] <xulin> danko123456, sorry :s after the update dont make a lilo on this fukin lilo box :s .. it work now :s
[08:58] <danko123456> ha, what sound card?
[08:58] <john_> does anyone know why i am downloading somethin i can no longer access other sites? is there a way to fix this didnt have a problem in windows
[08:58] <SlicerDicer-> audigy 2 plat
[08:58] <ivoks> heh... i'm trying to help him.. he will change distro and have same results, and then he will be pissed off :)
[08:58] <danko123456> k, xulin, explain what you mean, I dont understand your english well.
[08:59] <danko123456> ivoks, k, cool, I kno, well, audigy 2...
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: give this a look http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-340801.html maybe you can help me if so I would gladly fix it and stick with gentoo
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: I would be very happy actually if you could :)
[08:59] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: that soundcard is supported in CVS alsa :))
[08:59] <ivoks> fedora has CVS alsa, gentoo doesn't
[08:59] <ivoks> and ubuntu, man, he has even older ALSA :)
[08:59] <danko123456> exactly, so he can write out those conf files and that.
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> man fuck this I am out
[09:00] <danko123456> Awesome, he left:)
[09:00] <ivoks> omg...
[09:00] <danko123456> man ppl leave like that...
[09:00] <ivoks> i just told him where is problem... and he's angry