[01:42] <bspencer> davidm:
[01:42] <davidm> hello bspencer
[01:43] <bspencer> wow, what responsiveness
[01:43] <bspencer> what's your timezone?
[01:43] <bspencer> I think we're chatting tom. in some mtg.  I saw a few canonical names on the list I didn't know
[01:43] <bspencer> thought you could introduce me
[01:43] <davidm> I'n in central TZ US (texas)
[01:43] <bspencer> maria and gerry
[01:44] <davidm> Happy to try to
[01:44] <bspencer> are they on this list?
[01:44] <davidm> Which Maria?
[01:44] <davidm> Gerry is our Marketing gent
[01:44] <bspencer> Bonn...something
[01:44] <bspencer> ok.  Gerry -- won't be asking hard questions
[01:44] <bspencer> next...
[01:44] <bspencer> ;)
[01:45] <davidm> Ah, Maria was the Intel point of contact, I think she is handing off to a new person.
[01:45] <bspencer> ok.  do you happen to know what engineering you might have attending?
[01:46] <bspencer> i was going to chat a little with them beforehand to see if I could make sure I have their 2c ahead of time
[01:46] <davidm> Kevin Krafthefer I think will be on the call
[01:46] <davidm> and I might be for part of it.
[01:46] <bspencer> new guy to canonical?
[01:46] <davidm> Yes
[01:46] <davidm> works for Matt Zimmerman  (as I do)
[01:46] <bspencer> ok.  I'll ping him.
[01:46] <davidm> kind of technical busdev sort of
[01:47] <davidm> krafty is his nick
[01:47] <bspencer> ok.  not on #ubuntu
[01:47] <davidm> I have questions on M v2 as it were
[01:47] <davidm> I'm getting conflicting info
[01:47] <bspencer> want to chat here or wait for tom?
[01:48] <bspencer> ready
[01:48] <davidm> What ever works, I'm here for the next few minutes, I'm waiting for a call back from StevenK
[01:48] <bspencer> what Q's do you have?
[07:51] <lool> morning
[09:01] <lool> http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/arm-and-ubuntu-to-join-forces-in-the-netbook-world
[10:39] <ogra> hoooray !!
[12:28] <\sh> ogra: hey ... can you lend me your eyes and hands for a moment?  (check this log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19592509/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.open-cobol_1.0-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[12:29] <ogra> \sh, after the mobile meeting
[12:29] <\sh> ogra: great...because I'm unable to see why it's happening (i386 just compiled)
[12:53] <ogra> \sh, hm
[12:53] <ogra> lpia is i686
[12:53] <\sh> ogra: yepp...
[12:53] <ogra> i wonder if thats the reason for the error
[12:53] <\sh> ogra: that's why I don't see the error ,-)
[12:54] <\sh> i386 / i686 should just be fine..amd64 is also fine
[12:55] <\sh> ogra: looks like that I need to reactivate my lpia schroot ...
[12:55] <ogra> there is no build-dep that would have any lpia specific mods
[12:57] <\sh> ogra: correct ;)
[12:57] <ogra> so my best guess is 586 vs 686
[12:57] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...
[12:57] <ogra> have you comparef the compiler options that get set ?
[13:00] <\sh> yepp..are the same
[13:00] <\sh> on i386 and lpia...
[13:00] <ogra> well then only 586 vs 686 is left
[13:01] <\sh> well...if it would FTBFS on powerpc...i would be happier
[13:01] <ogra> its jaunty ... you still have 5 months to fix it ;)
[13:02] <\sh> ogra: /dcc send me_mobile_devices_to_code_cobol_on ,-> i think this packages nobody will use on lpia archs anyway
[13:03] <ogra> pfft, you ignore all the netbook-mainframe programmers ?
[13:03] <ogra> :)
[13:04] <\sh> ogra: oh damn...do 80year old cobol coders buy netbooks these days? ,->
[13:04] <ogra> if the keyboards arent to tiny to see the keys for them ... who knows :)
[15:22] <ian_brasil> what does DIF mean which happens in late january?
[15:22] <ogra> debian import freeze
[15:23] <ogra> auto syncing from debian gets stopped
[15:23] <ian_brasil> ok thx
[15:23] <persia> There's still a lot of importing that happens after that, but it mostly avoids core infrastructure bits or widely used libraries.
[15:24] <ogra> syncing still goes on, just not automatically
[20:28]  * lool waves 'night


[21:46] <drcooper> why is the wine logo in the ubuntu-tour/images folder?
[21:46] <drcooper> is it a mistake?
[21:49] <drcooper> revision 331


[13:38] <aaran> Hi, I am trying to get MAAS working but I am having a little trouble with the setup when using an external DHCP server
[13:45] <aaran> First of all, if I am using an external DHCP server sshould be be seeing "rackd — Missing connections to 1 region controller(s)." in the
[13:45] <aaran> Rack Controller
[13:45] <aaran>  section of the maas server
[15:03] <pmatulis> aa...
[19:07] <andrew-ii> I have a node that boots under maas direction, but does not commision. Other nodes in the region commision fine - is that likely a BIOS/firmware/UXE issue on the failing node?


[04:06] <olly_> hmm, are there any https ubuntu mirrors?
[04:06]  * olly_ is failing to find any if there are
[04:08]  * ajmitch doesn't know of any
[04:08] <ibeardslee> neither
[04:10] <olly_> i can see why there might not be
[04:10] <olly_> be a nice way to work around this annoying http proxy which blocks various content-types though
[04:13] <mwhudson> i doubt it as gpg is relied on for integrity?
[04:26] <olly_> it would provide privacy as to what software you are installing
[04:26] <olly_> or have installed
[04:26] <mwhudson> true
[04:26] <olly_> hmm, battery monitor seems to think my battery is 95.8%
[04:26] <olly_> always
[04:26] <mwhudson> "look at olly, he's installing PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE!!"
[04:27] <olly_> the icon looks saner, as does the number when I pull out the power
[04:27] <olly_> if I was, I doubt it would be via apt
[04:29] <mwhudson> i installed skype earlier
[04:35] <ajmitch> vrms will be very unhappy
[04:36] <mwhudson> i think on the whole i'm happy about that
[05:39] <olly_> my family still badger me about skype
[05:39] <olly_> you'd think they'd have got the message by now
[08:28] <chilts> same here, I just refuse to do it
[08:28] <chilts> and yet they still come
[17:43] <sadsun> mornin
[18:26] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:27] <ibeardslee> and back shortly
[18:32] <sadsun> wb
[18:33] <ibeardslee> I love it when a remote reboot on a server works
[18:33] <sadsun> godmode huh :P
[18:33] <ibeardslee> no, just god
[18:33] <sadsun> hehe^^
[18:34] <chilts> morning
[18:58] <ajmitch> morning
[19:02] <sadsun> mornin'
[21:07] <mwhudson> morning
[21:26] <olly_> morniong
[21:55] <chilts> olly_: you back in NZ-land? .. oh wait, you're at OSDC now?
[22:01] <thumper> morning
[23:06] <chilts> yay for figlet :)
[23:10] <ibeardslee> figlet?
[23:17] <mwhudson>   __ _       _      _
[23:17] <mwhudson>  / _(_) __ _| | ___| |_
[23:17] <mwhudson> | |_| |/ _` | |/ _ \ __|
[23:17] <mwhudson> |  _| | (_| | |  __/ |_
[23:17] <mwhudson> |_| |_|\__, |_|\___|\__|
[23:17] <mwhudson>        |___/
[23:21] <thumper> non-monospace fonts FTL
[23:37] <mwhudson> verily


[09:25] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, there are a few tests that are running since 14 days...
[09:25] <LocutusOfBorg> Submit-time:	2022-12-04 10:57:59
[09:25] <LocutusOfBorg> Triggers:	['shunit2/2.1.8-3']
[09:25] <LocutusOfBorg> one running since Submit-time:	2022-12-13 19:08:08
[09:27] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure if they are keeping runners busy or not, but maybe we can drain queues faster by kicking them?
[18:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.3.0-3ubuntu4 => 2.3.0-3ubuntu4.22.10] (core)
[18:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (jammy-proposed/main) [2.3.0-3ubuntu4 => 2.3.0-3ubuntu4.22.04] (core)
[22:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu26.16 => 2.04-1ubuntu26.17] (core)
[22:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (jammy-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu7.1 => 2.06-2ubuntu7.2] (core, i386-whitelist)


[12:18] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[12:18] <Riddell> tvo: pong
[12:18] <tvo> Riddell: just updated wiki, quite a lot of kio-locate is finished by now
[12:19] <Riddell> tvo: groovy, going to make debian packages?
[12:19] <tvo> also I talked to ita today, and added kio-clucene to my list of "search-programs-still-to-look-at"
[12:19] <tvo> Riddell: hm I could try that too later this week
[12:19] <Riddell> good idea
[12:20] <Riddell> tvo: there's already a kio-locate package by uniq, so it would just be updating it with your version
[12:20] <tvo> ok, though I don't know a thing about packaging yet
[12:21] <Riddell> tvo: you should!  add that to your todo list :)
[12:21] <tvo> Riddell: ok. btw, you think it's a good idea to release beta this week like I said in mail
[12:21] <tvo> ?
[12:22] <tvo> oh and btw, I sent a patch to kde-core-devel list
[12:22] <Riddell> tvo: sounds good to me
[12:22] <Riddell> tvo: what for?
[12:23] <tvo> it modifies kdelibs to also hide files which contain "/."
[12:23] <tvo> ie. /home/tobi/.trash/blah
[12:23] <tvo> Riddell: do you think it has any chance to get through?
[12:24] <Riddell> tvo: well if nobody complains then get me to commit it :)
[12:25] <tvo> Riddell: I already talked in kde-devel with hermier about it
[12:26] <tvo> he thought it would be a good idea to send it to the mailing list first
[12:26] <tvo> because although a small patch it's quite "major" change
[12:26] <Riddell> yes
[12:27] <Riddell> actually I've always hated the way Konqueror does hidden files.  the io slave should have a flag it can mark for hidden files
[12:27] <Riddell> since some systems use different conventions
[12:27] <tvo> that would certainly be better yes
[12:29] <tvo> dmn that's quite stupid indeed
[12:30] <tvo> Riddell: any chance they're going to change that if a patch is written?
[12:30] <Riddell> tvo: don't see why not
[12:31] <tvo> Riddell: what do you think, shall I add this patch to my todo list?
[12:33] <tvo> oh and last thing: if you don't mind I'll at least do the inotify locate
[12:33] <tvo> i've been thinking about it and it makes locate and as such kio-locate much more powerful
[12:34] <tvo> actually, I needed it today to find my way through the kde sources :)
[12:35] <Riddell> tvo: both sound good
[12:36] <tvo> Riddell: seems I've got enough things to do then coming week and the week after I'll get back:)
[12:37] <tvo> Riddell: another last thing: if I want to add a different icon for this collapsed directories, is there anyplace with artists or a database with icons or whatever?
[12:38] <Riddell>  kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg
[12:38] <Riddell> try folder_green maybe (I made that)
[12:39] <tvo> ok thanks, i'll update the wiki one last time and go to bed ... already 0:40 here
[12:50] <tvo> done. also cancelled the email to kde-core-devel, was still in queue
[12:50] <tvo> bye
[01:17] <JRe> Riddell, allee: okay it's done, medianotifier (aka Kay) is now in kdebase
[01:17] <allee> JRe: hey great!
[01:18] <JRe> allee: :)
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: so I hear :)
[01:19] <JRe> Riddell: no i am going to finish polishing my package
[01:19] <JRe> s
[01:20] <JRe> Riddell: BTW a Kat 0.6.0 is near to be out
[01:20] <Riddell> JRe: does this mean we don't need ivman?
[01:20] <JRe> Riddell: No ivman is a still necessary for automouting
[01:21] <Riddell> I thought medianotifier watched media:/ for new things appearing
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: yeah that's the behaviour
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: but it does not mount the media
[01:22] <Riddell> what does it do?
[01:22] <JRe> it propose a set of services
[01:22] <JRe> to launch
[01:22] <JRe> like launch digiKam if it's a camera
[01:22] <JRe> so it ehances a lot the usability for newbies
[01:23] <JRe> also play CD for an audiocd
[01:24] <Riddell> but if it's a usb pen drive then presumably one of the options is open it in media:/ which will mount the drive
[01:24] <JRe> Riddell: oh in this case it's good
[01:24] <JRe> right
[01:25] <JRe> IVman is not obliged so ;) ;) ;)
[01:25] <Riddell> JRe: can it be backported to KDE 3.4?
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: yes
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: of course if you have any idea or suggestion
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: i'll be glad to add or enhance a feature
[01:29] <Riddell> is there a way to detect other stuff that's hotplugged but not picked up by media:/ ?
[01:29] <JRe> nop
[01:29] <Riddell> like printers and scanners (dunno what you'd do with them though)
[01:30] <JRe> Riddell: ATM it only listen media:/ URL
[01:30] <Riddell> yep
[03:31] <Riddell> hi sebas
[03:31] <sebas> Hi Riddell :)
[03:31] <Riddell> \sh: oy, nuff of that
[03:32] <\sh> sorry...just trying to setup my nickserv :(
[03:32] <Riddell> sebas: could you put your xorg.conf and xorg.0.log on a webserver somewhere?
[03:32] <sebas> Sure.
[03:34] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/xorg.conf
[03:35] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/Xorg.0.log
[03:40] <Riddell> hmm, it all looks like it should work to me
[03:40] <sebas> At least I'm not looking too stupid now then ;-)
[03:41] <sebas> Hm, unpacking a bunch of my fonts from another machine makes X start.
[03:41] <sebas> Strange, but I don't care too much now.
[03:41] <Riddell> unpacking to where?
[03:42] <sebas> The font pathes mentioned in xorg.conf.
[03:44] <Riddell> X is evil
[03:45] <sebas> It is.
[03:45] <sebas> \sh is the packager of pykde, right?
[03:46] <\sh> hmm...something happened? then no ;)
[03:46] <sebas> Hehe :)
[03:46] <sebas> Not yet, but be prepared :)
[03:47] <\sh> i'm not responsible for exploding gnomes or those things..please bug upstream *eg*
[03:47] <sebas> *g*
[03:48] <sebas> I had a strange bugs using your package on hoary, running hand compiled pykde now.
[03:48] <\sh> aehm...which one? my port or the orig one?
[03:48] <sebas> But let's focus on getting the stuff running on breezy, if I get confident enough to upgrade my workstation.
[03:48] <\sh> the only working package is in breezy
[03:49] <sebas> In your package while the hand baken pykde worked.
[03:49] <sebas> Ah, good then :)
[03:49] <\sh> sebas: from my repos?
[03:49] <sebas> Jep.
[03:49] <\sh> yeah...looks like screwed..so forget it...
[03:49] <sebas> I can dig through my mails if you want to know the details.
[03:49] <sebas> Ok :)
[03:50] <\sh> sebas: upstream pykde is more broken then working ,-)
[03:50] <sebas> I know
[03:50] <sebas> I have some patches pending in Phil's snapshots also.
[03:50] <\sh> even the new snapshot is not fixing even the important stuff
[03:51] <\sh> that reminds me...
[03:51] <\sh> i have to setup a cron
[03:57] <sebas> Ok, kdecore imports cleanly so it seems to work.
[03:57] <sebas> I'll dig into the problems you've had with guidance now, Riddell.
[03:58] <Riddell> sebas: excellent, tell me if I can be of any help
[03:58] <sebas> Sure. Thx.
[04:08] <sebas> Riddell: Did you get an error installing pykdeextensions "can't find python2.4/Config/Makefile or something like that?
[04:08] <sebas> That is _really_ strange :>
[04:13] <Riddell> sebas: don't think so no
[04:13] <sebas> Hm, then that's another strange error.
[04:14] <sebas> I might aswell work around the pykdeextension mess until Simon can dig into that and get guidance running in the meantime.
[04:17] <fromoze> Hi, I'm testing breezy  amd64 and I find a big trouble: I can't write accents over the vowels. I ask on #kubuntu but I don't get any answer. I would repport a bug but I don't know if it's a circunstantial for the actual package of Qt. Becuase It's a qt problem.
[04:18] <Riddell> fromoze: what do you get instead?
[04:19] <fromoze> look: camion
[04:19] <fromoze> I'll try to paste from a non-qt app...
[04:20] <fromoze> It must be that:  camin
[04:20] <fromoze> it's something about input on qt, that's what I localize.
[04:21] <fromoze> I try to find about XIM, I see it on qtconfig, but I couldn't arrive to a conclusion.
[05:35] <Riddell> froud: where are the sources to  kubuntu-docs deb?
[05:37] <pef> hello
[05:37] <Riddell> hi pef
[05:39] <pef> Riddell: could you have a look at datakiosk package ?
[05:39] <Riddell> pef: where is it?
[05:39] <pef> Riddell: on revu waiting :)
[05:40] <Riddell> ah hah
[05:56] <Riddell> datakiosk's packaging is slightly nuts, the datakiosk-0.7/src/datakiosk directory has its own Makefile foo which doesn't want to distclean
[06:04] <pef> Riddell: I had to add this target ?
[06:04] <Riddell> dunno, it doesn't want to clean whatever you do
[06:05] <pef> :[
[06:05] <Riddell> find . -name Makefile | xargs rm
[06:05] <froud> Riddell: hi, does kubuntu-doc have a footprint in nightly builds?
[06:06] <Riddell> find . -name .deps | xargs rm -rf
[06:06] <Riddell> froud: what do you mean?
[06:06] <froud> last week we discussed getting kubuntu-doc uploaded
[06:07] <Riddell> froud: which is why I'm looking for the source packages now :)
[06:07] <froud> Riddell: ah, ok
[06:10] <Riddell> pef: could you add those two to the clean target after the distclean.  also in the control file add spaces after the >= sign e.g. "kdelibs4-dev (>=3.4.1)"
[06:10] <Riddell> dunno why but that's what every other package does
[06:11] <Riddell> froud: so where are the sources?
[06:13] <pef> Riddell: for the extra space, it may be interesting to add this test to lintian no ?
[06:14] <Riddell> pef: well I guess it doesn't actually make a difference but it's what everything else does so seems tidy to do the same
[06:14] <Riddell> e-mail the lintian dudes to suggest it
[06:15] <pef> ok :)
[06:18] <pef> Riddell: I think now I can remove the - in front of -$(make) since no errors will ocurr now ?
[06:19] <Riddell> pef: errors will still occur if you run debuild -S without having made the package first, so keep it in
[06:20] <KaiL> hmm, no amu
[06:21] <pef> Riddell: do you often have to make hacks like this on packages ?
[06:21] <KaiL> who knows, hot to get an old iMac to boot from the kubuntu install CD? ;)
[06:21] <Riddell> pef: fortunatly not often
[06:24] <froud> Riddell: what revision do you have 0.2 is the current version
[06:24] <Riddell> froud: I have the 0.2 .deb yes
[06:24] <froud> k
[06:24] <froud> just uploading tar
[06:25] <froud> Riddell:  complete see http://www.lnix.net/~froud/deb/
[06:26] <froud> Riddell: ok?
[06:27] <Riddell> froud: downloading now
[06:28] <froud> cool I will upload the src once a week but deb each day (if there are changes)
[06:40] <Riddell> froud: what dose the C stand for?  there's lots of directories just called C
[06:41] <Riddell> ah, the language C I guess, meaning non-localised
[06:42] <Riddell> froud: what's the difference between xsltproc and meinproc?
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: upload done ;)
[06:51] <tvo> Riddell: kio locate help is up to date, locater:help works and you can choose one of 7 colors folder icons in config dlg
[06:51] <tvo> Riddell: if you've got some time, could you proof-read the help?
[06:52] <tvo> hmm dunno if that's the right word in english, maybe "test-read"
[06:53] <tvo> see wiki for details
[06:54] <froud> Riddell: C/ is English US
[06:55] <froud> Riddell: C/ is not actually used in KDE
[06:55] <froud> It's a carry over form GNOME
[06:56] <froud> Riddell: we can change it, but will need to decide on how to manage i18n
[06:56] <Riddell> froud: it's fine, I was just wondering
[06:56] <froud> xsltproc and meinproc
[06:56] <froud> no idea of diff
[06:56] <froud> we just use xsltproc
[06:57] <Riddell> ah, there are limits to your knowledge
[06:57] <froud> absolutely :-)
[06:57] <froud> actually I don't know why KDE Docs uses it
[06:57] <froud> it must be a hangover from when they used SGML
[06:58] <froud> Riddell: why
[06:59] <froud> Riddell: do you think we need to change any thing
[06:59] <froud> [18:34]  * Riddell gets lots of "No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en"."
[06:59] <froud> A wanted error :-)
[07:01] <Riddell> don't think we need to change anything, looks good to me
[07:01] <Riddell> froud: how will the version number be updated?
[07:01] <Riddell> currently 0.2
[07:02] <froud> 0.3 0.4 0.5 .....0.10 0.11 0.12 @ release 1.0
[07:03] <Riddell> sounds good
[07:03] <froud> k
[07:03] <Riddell> updated weekly or daily?
[07:05] <froud> daily if changes
[07:05] <froud> tar once a week
[07:05] <froud> but deb each day
[07:06] <froud> not worth doing a version bump if no changes
[07:06] <froud> and not worth uploading in this case
[07:06] <froud> for src what I can do is each Saturday upload the src
[07:07] <froud> so for you the upload is just once a week
[07:24] <Riddell> froud: well it all looks good, happy for me to upload?
[07:29] <froud> Riddell: I'm happy if you are happy :-)
[07:47] <Riddell> uploaded, froud did you get a NEW e-mail?
[07:48] <froud> no why?
[07:49] <froud> I still have the same address
[07:50] <Riddell> normally I upload by chaning the e-mail address in the changelog to mine and then I get an e-mail saying "you uploaded a NEW package"
[07:50] <Riddell> but with this one I kept your e-mail address and did some debuild trickery to make it signed by me
[07:51] <Riddell> so I don't know where the NEW e-mail goes or if the whole thing has gone into /dev/null
[07:51] <froud> hmm I forgot to change the email address in the changelog
[07:52] <froud><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:-)
[07:52] <Riddell> no it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:53] <froud> that should be correct
[07:54] <Riddell> hmm, elmo isn't online
[07:55] <Mez> mdz and elmo havent been online for a few days
[07:56] <Riddell> spooky
[07:57] <froud> spoke to mdz yesterday and elmo is moving house :-)
[07:59] <Mez> ah ok, maybe bot :P
[08:32] <dato> mdz and elmo are here in .fi (DebConf) now
[09:05] <jb_> ..still no amu
[09:21] <pef> Riddell: i've made a new datakiosk upload following your corrections
[09:25] <kl> imac - cooked data...
[11:07] <froud> later dudes
[11:12] <Riddell> uniq: what to do with kio-apt?
[11:16] <uniq> riddell: well, i don't have time to fix the graphics stuff right now. its there anything else you've noticed?
[11:16] <Riddell> uniq: nope.  so either it's uploaded to REVU or we do a sneaky upload to ubuntu
[11:17] <uniq> that's up to you really. i can upload it to revu.. but both will conflict with the 'sneaky' bit :)
[11:19] <uniq> both as in upload to both.
[11:21] <uniq> however, it's possible to get 3 MOTUS to review it pretty fast i guess.
[11:22] <uniq> as a pro for the proper way.
[11:22] <Riddell> uniq: ok, try the REVU way then
[11:23] <uniq> will upload rtight away.
[11:30] <uniq> hmm.. it doesn't showup on the page..
[11:31] <Riddell> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114
[11:33] <pef_aw> bye !
[11:47] <uniq> i'll have to get my ass going and meet mithrandir soon, get my key signed and become a motu.
[11:50] <uniq> correction, try to become a motu.
[11:52] <uniq> riddell: /var/lib/apt/lists/download.kde.org_stable_3.4.1_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages
[11:52] <uniq> is that something you could fix?


[00:13] <ry_> I need help getting my computer to recognize my virgin mobile 3G usb thingy.  It is automatically recognized when I use Gnome3 (I'm using Kali Linux right now because it has Gnome and I need the adaptor) and it allows me to configure it, but when I boot into kubuntu, networkmanager isn't automatically recognizing it.
[00:14] <ry_> The model is Virgin Mobile 3G/4G U600.
[01:19] <Macer> tried ubuntu to see how unity was and it is very unimpressive
[01:19] <Macer> looks like gnome with an osx dock on the left
[01:48] <roasted> hello
[01:48] <roasted> Macer: I quite like Unity's layout. In fact I made KDE mimic that layout, but of course, I'm on KDE - so it's a win win for me :P
[01:49] <roasted> Question - I'm trying to use a microphone with Kubuntu 12.10. I'm finding (even on totally different machines) that when I record something in Audacity, the channel just shoots right to 100%, records nothing but garble, and is therefore unusable.
[01:49] <roasted> Are there any tricks to getting Kubuntu to work properly with this? I admittedly had zero issue on Ubuntu with projects like this. After all I'm just trying to record audio...
[01:56] <roasted> I have to be doing something wrong. There's no way Kubuntu just flat out doesn't record audio whatsoever.
[02:00] <valorie> roasted: you might ask in #kde-multimedia
[02:00] <valorie> could be a phonon problem, or kmix, or pulseaudio.....
[02:00] <valorie> dunno what audacity uses, tbh
[02:01] <roasted> Well, nothing works at all - guvcview, kamoso, etc. They're all acting the same.
[02:01] <roasted> This is the first time that I'm actually saying "Doh! Ubuntu would have done this fine" :((((((((((
[02:33] <roasted> hi
[02:34] <roasted> is Kubuntu flat out incapable of recording audio from a  microphone?
[02:34] <roasted> Or have I managed to mess this up on several systems with several microphones?
[02:58] <roasted> I have come to the conclusion that Kubuntu is indeed incapable of recording audio from a microphone.
[02:58] <roasted> NICE.
[03:00] <Macer> lol
[03:04] <roasted> I seem to have discovered something.
[03:05] <roasted> In Ubuntu (Gnome Shell), if I click on Sound Settings in the upper right a menu comes up. Under the input tab, all I have to do is select my USB microphone and magically, recording works. I need to do *that* but in KDE.
[03:08] <roasted> plasma crash
[03:08] <roasted> workin on my nerves KDE...
[03:10] <roasted> Continued plasma crashes when testing speakers in phonon :/
[05:58] <shadeslayer> roasted: did you try using the vlc backend
[05:59] <roasted> shadeslayer: it wasn't available in the backends.
[05:59] <roasted> shadeslayer: another user in #KDE helped me figure it out though.
[05:59] <shadeslayer> er what?
[05:59] <shadeslayer> oh, what was the issue?
[05:59] <roasted> shadeslayer: seems as if KDE, for whatever reason, maximizes the mic boost continuously each time you  muck around with kmix or various other sound settings.
[06:00] <roasted> I had to run alsamixer, hit f6, select my mic, and take the mic boost down a few notches.
[06:00] <roasted> Definitely sent me into a near homicidal rage.
[06:01] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[06:16] <fuzzwaltz> hello, using 12.04, flash video just displays a black box, no video or audio, I do have the flash plugin installed... any ideas to help troublshoot this?
[07:00] <Kris_away> Soo, I installed 13.4, it was wring jsut fine afer i updated it... and now i can't run apt-get, can't open synaptic, muon crashes, firefox crashes
[07:01] <Kris_away> [  311.680393] apt-get[2609]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f83430718ef sp 00007fff81d76d70 error 4 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7f834300b000+11c000]
[07:01] <Kris_away> [  183.807586] do-release-upgr[2469]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f3f299e48ef sp 00007fff7e72fa70 error 4 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7f3f2997e000+11c000]
[07:01] <Kris_away> Pretty mch every program segfauts
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:46] <toString> hello
[08:46] <toString>  symphony:i386 dipende da libnotify1 (>= 0.4.4).
[08:46] <toString>  symphony:i386 dipende da libnotify1-gtk2.10.
[08:46] <toString> i can't find libnotify1 on 12.04
[08:48] <toString> last one is in lucid, can i manually install the that deb?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:40] <mao> ?
[12:56] <OgRo> Hey there. I just update for 13.04 beta and now telepathy isn't working. When i enter the IM properties screen I get "something went terribly wrong and the IM systemcould not be initialized." It is likely your system is missing Telepathy Mission Control package."
[12:56] <OgRo> but it is installed....
[12:57] <lordievader> OgRo: Kubuntu 13.04 support is in #ubuntu+1
[12:57] <OgRo> thans lordievader
[12:57] <lordievader> !raring
[13:13] <Captain_Proton> Why is Canonical braking stuff? over the past few updates smb-fuse is no longer working right, new one kernel cause a panic.. lol downloading opensuse but I never like Yast so I probably just delete it
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Captain_Proton, just make sure you update/upgrade , even at the tty if that's possible
[13:27] <Captain_Proton> BluesKaj: thanks it was more of a rant. :) one thing I have seen is the updater in KDE will create impossible upgrade that will key software so I have to drop to term to do them.
[13:40] <root_> hello
[16:46] <cojack> uhm
[16:46] <cojack> how to upgrade kubuntu from 12.10 up to 13.04 ;>
[16:47] <arezey> 13.04 exists?
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> arezey: yes it does
[16:47] <arezey> i would imagine it would exist next month
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> not officially released though
[16:47] <arezey> oh i see
[16:48] <arezey> ah, beta 1
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> and it probabily won't even be released
[16:48] <cojack> Im crazy because of this qt 4.8.3
[16:48] <cojack> why they won't upgrade it to 4.8.4 in 12.10?
[16:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Yes it will, Riddel took care of that.
[16:48] <arezey> well you'll likely have to update your /etc/apt/sources.list and change quantal to.. either raring or ringtail, i dunno
[16:48] <arezey> at least that's how it's traditionally done
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> if they switch to rolling release, this broblem won't exist anymore
[16:49] <cojack> kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: thank you for the heads up
[16:49] <arezey> then sudo apt-get install apt aptitude and sudo apt-get full-upgrade
[16:49] <arezey> er gotta apt-get update first
[16:49] <cojack> arezey: kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[16:49] <cojack> found it
[16:49] <arezey> or that i guess
[16:50] <lordievader> cojack: However since it is a beta this version isn't recommended for production machines.
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> cojack: is that update really that important to Qt 4.8.4?
[16:51] <cojack> ovidiu-florin: im working on kdevelop master version, and yes in qt 4.8.4 they fix some qml scripts
[16:51] <cojack> so it's realy important for me
[16:51] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: here's what the tech board did decide on instead of rolling releases: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/
[16:51] <arezey> kdevelop master version?
[16:52] <ovidiu-florin> I think he meant master branch
[16:52] <cojack> yes
[16:54] <arezey> aha
[16:56] <cojack> there is anyway to configure apt to use more than one thread?
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: so they decided to do it like OpenSUSE?
[17:00] <ovidiu-florin> provide an option for the user to select roling updates if they want it?
[17:01] <yofel> seems so, except that rolling will mean you simply get synced with the dev release
[17:01] <yofel> whatever is in there
[17:01] <ovidiu-florin> even if it's unstable?
[17:02] <yofel> yeah, it'll probably be like debian unstable with freezes every six months
[17:34] <gem> hi all
[17:37] <rosco_y> hi gem, how are you doing?
[17:38] <gem> hi rosco
[19:20] <Bulent09> hello
[19:29] <lordievader> Hey Bulent09, how are you?
[19:35] <Bulent09> I'm good how are you
[19:38] <lordievader> Doing good too, Bulent09 ;)
[20:05] <gerta> Hi, can anybody help me to install 64 bit version of skype
[20:05] <DarthFrog> Is there one?
[20:05] <genii-around> No, the 64 bit package is just a wrapper for the 32 bit
[20:06] <gerta> is there a way to install it for 64bit machine?
[20:06] <arezey> a 64-bit computer can run 32-bit programs
[20:07] <arezey> so if you can't find the 64-bit version you could just get the 32-bit one, especially if - as mentioned - the 64-bit version is just a wrapper for the 32-bit one
[20:07] <lordievader> gerta: The skype site provides a debian package for 64bit.
[20:07] <arezey> welp
[20:07] <genii-around> Install the 64 bit package, then when you run it it will say can't find a number of libraries, etc. Note the names down and apt-get install those with :i386   appended
[20:07] <genii-around> lordievader: Yes, but the issue I described above occurs
[20:08] <lordievader> gerta: http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64
[20:08] <DarthFrog> genii-around:  Wouldn't "sudo apt-get -f install" also install the required 32bit libs after attempting to install Skype?
[20:08] <genii-around> DarthFrog: It tries to download the 64 bit version first
[20:09] <genii-around> The skype package doesn't specify architecture of the packages it wants, if they already are installed on 64bit it won't install the 32bit ones it really neeeds
[20:10] <BluesKaj> I always found the static version to be a stable install
[20:15] <BluesKaj> oops the static version is now called dynamic
[20:15] <gerta> hm weird, now it worked, before i had problems with installing'
[20:15] <gerta> thanks
[20:16] <BluesKaj> it's awon der it's still available for linux , now that MS has bought it
[20:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: MS also contributes code to the Linux kernel ;)
[20:28] <invariant> If MS wouldn't do that, people would advice everyone to install superior alternatives making their entire investment in Skype worthless over a period of a few months.
[20:29] <invariant> The value of Skype is in the network effects.
[20:32] <BluesKaj> lordievader, the MS contribution to the linux kernel:  "Microsoft however is very keen to make Linux distributions work well with its Hyper-V hypervisor, so its kernel contributions are not entirely selfless." ...a quote from the Inquirer
[20:33] <BluesKaj> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2166123/microsoft-contributed-code-canonical-linux-2632
[20:33] <lordievader> Of course not, it's MS ;)
[20:48] <hazamonzo> hey folks. Is there a way to "refresh" the KDE UI. Looks like even though my mouse pointer still works (i can see items being highlighted on the desktop)... the mouse pointer has frozen on the screen. makes it tough guessing where your mouse actually is based on what items its highlighting on the screen
[21:17] <calwig> what is the codec required for .pls?
[21:17] <calwig> using amarok
[21:18] <lordievader> calwig: .pls is a playlist file.
[21:21] <calwig> oh right i meant to ask is there anything else necessary for a pls to be loaded on amarok
[21:22] <lordievader> calwig: I don't think so. However I haven't opened a pls file in Amarok for a long time...
[21:24] <calwig> cool
[21:24] <calwig> i know moc will load it
[21:28] <calwig> lordievader, the IP addresses are being blocked, now i see
[21:28] <calwig> thought it was something technical
[21:28] <lordievader> calwig: Radio streams?
[21:28] <calwig> yep
[21:28] <calwig> Stream error: HTTP response code said error
[21:32] <lordievader> calwig: Perhaps the radio service on their end ain't running.
[21:32] <calwig> its di.fm
[21:32] <calwig> ya think
[21:32] <calwig> heh
[21:32] <calwig> checked the 15 streams from one pls file, all dead
[21:33] <calwig> so yea may be di.fm or may just be the isp im on
[21:33] <lordievader> calwig: Not a firewall being annoying?
[21:34] <calwig> anything is possible
[21:34] <calwig> public wifi
[22:48] <emma> how can i tell which version of kubuntu i have?
[22:50] <DarthFrog> emma: "cat /etc/issue"
[22:51] <DarthFrog> Or open that file in Dolphin and read the contents. :-)
[22:51] <emma> thanks
[22:52] <emma> I bought an external USB sound card and i guess it cannot work now.
[23:01] <emma> where do you choose a sound device in kubuntu?
[23:04] <DarthFrog> emma:  Install pavucontrol and use it.
[23:06] <emma> oh so kubuntu does not come with pavucontrol
[23:06] <emma> why not?
[23:07] <emma> does kubuntu come with pulseaudio?
[23:07] <DarthFrog> Yes, pulseaudio is the default.
[23:07] <DarthFrog> And most folks won't need pavucontrol.
[23:07] <emma> I wonder what the rationale is for putting pulseaudio in kubuntu and then not giving the user any way to control it.
[23:07] <DarthFrog> Simplicity?
[23:07] <emma> i respect that. I guess KDE is going the way of GNOME
[23:08] <emma> or maybe Kubuntu is taking its cues from the "UBUNTU WAY"
[23:08] <DarthFrog> I sincerely hope not.  And it's not KDE that makes that decisison, it's the Kubuntu devs.
[23:08] <emma> yeah i guess its the Ubuntu way then.
[23:08] <DarthFrog> Kubuntu uses pulseaudio, KDE doesn't need it.
[23:09] <DarthFrog> You can remove pulseaudio if you wish.
[23:09] <emma> KDE doesn't have any way of choosing your sound device though?
[23:09] <DarthFrog> Yes, it does.  SystemSettings/Multimedia
[23:09] <emma> I have an internal soundcard in my laptop. I just plugged in an external USB soundcard. I hope to find it and turn it on.
[23:10] <DarthFrog> pavucontrol is your friend. :-)
[23:40] <Guyfrominternet> Hello
[23:41] <Guyfrominternet> Someone knows how to share a directory with another GNU/Linux distro Like debian?
[23:41] <sithlord48> perfered method for nix 's would be NFS
[23:41] <sithlord48> you can use Samba or ftp also
[23:42] <sithlord48> Guyfrominternet: what are you planing to do with this directory ? if streaming you need to mount it in that case i would suggest NFS
[23:43] <Guyfrominternet> Well...
[23:43] <Guyfrominternet> Let me explain it
[23:45] <Guyfrominternet> I have two computers. One with kubuntu and another with Debian. I want to install Kubuntu on that Debian. I want to share a folder with the Debian only once, for copying what I don't want to lose before doing the installation.
[23:46] <Guyfrominternet> With the secondary click, on proprierties it sais  "install samba"
[23:46] <sithlord48> well for tempoary you can use ssh and the scp command to copy a directory its the easest to set up
[23:46] <sithlord48> you can do that..
[23:46] <Guyfrominternet> Ah ok!
[23:46] <Guyfrominternet> when I'm inside the machine
[23:46] <Guyfrominternet> I use scp to copy the files, right?
[23:46] <sithlord48> it really depends on how ok you are with cli stuff
[23:47] <sithlord48> yes you would need to install ssh server on the machine you wish to copy on to .
[23:47] <Guyfrominternet> I'm starting but I think that if it's only "ssh myuser@myserver" an then "$scp /aidon'tknowwhat /toIdon'tknowwhat2" I think I can do it
[23:47] <sithlord48> you don't need to ssh first
[23:48] <sithlord48> you can just scp it will ask for password
[23:48] <sithlord48> for instance if you wish to send all your home to an exsisting folder on the deb machine..
[23:49] <sithlord48> scp -R /home/mylocalname user@machine:/home/remoteName/oldHome
[23:50] <Guyfrominternet> No, because It goes really slow (my debian machine) and I think that If I keep my home I'll have the same troubles because of the config files and all of this (sorry, I don't know so much, but it's what I can do)
[23:50] <sithlord48>  will copy all files in /home/mylocalname to machine:/home/remove/oldHome (just not sure if little r or big R)
[23:50] <sithlord48> just saying as an exmaple
[23:50] <sithlord48> example*
[23:51] <Guyfrominternet> sithlord48: Wow, I had never seen someone like you, helping me this way!
[23:52] <sithlord48> Guyfrominternet: well your most welcome, and im happy to help
[23:52] <sithlord48> Guyfrominternet:  and what do u mean by " this way " irc , or a cli solution or other?
[23:55] <Guyfrominternet> Sorry sithlord48 (yes, as you could notice I'm not really fluent in english), I mean telling me the way I have to introduce the command on the terminal. Others could say "with ssh" and nothing more. You know what I'm trying to say? haha
[23:57] <sithlord48> Guyfrominternet: got ya. ill be around for a while let me know how it works out for you . SCP is usually fast too.
[23:58] <Guyfrominternet> sithlord48: Thank you!


[00:01] <kmh> there is another odd thing
[00:02] <kmh> aside from windows system partition, i also have another ntfs partition on an usb drive
[00:02] <kmh> to that one i get read/write access
[00:03] <mmikowski> hmmm, odd indeed.
[00:05] <mmikowski> You might want to check what driver is being used there. My guess is FUSE is used by default for USB along with ntfs-3g, whereas your Windows partition is being used with the kernel ntfs3 driver, which is likely read-only by default (see /etc/fstab).
[00:06] <mmikowski> if you run 'dh' with both attached, you will probably see differences
[00:06] <kmh> in synaptic it looks like fuse might not be installed
[00:07] <kmh> actually so far i used them without fstab
[00:07] <mmikowski> If my guess is correct, you should be able to adjust /etc/fstab to use the correct drivers to gain access.
[00:07] <kmh> since in recent years the filemanagers display unmounted devices and allow mounting on the fly
[00:07] <mmikowski> Ah, in that case, you may be at the mercy of whatever dolphin wants to do with your disks :)
[00:08] <kmh> i mean i could try a ftstab workaround
[00:08] <mmikowski> Again, they may very well treat usb drives differently from nvme.
[00:09] <mmikowski> I would certainly unmount the drive and then try one of those tutorials. If it works, you can then add to fstab.
[00:09] <mmikowski> It would only take maybe 5-10 commands to check.
[00:09] <kmh> however i'd prefer it work like in 22.04 or other distros where mounting on the fly via dolphin (or otherfule managers) works
[00:10] <kmh> yeah thanks i probably tinker around with those 2 urls
[00:10] <mmikowski> One would need to trace the the execution path to see whats happening.
[00:10] <kmh> first i probably install the missing (?) fuse via synaptic and reboot
[00:11] <mmikowski> My first bit of research would be to run dh, compare the mounts, and then if the USB mount is different, try to replicate that on your other ntfs drive to get to rw mode.
[00:11] <mmikowski> Then I'd worry about how to get dolphin to do it for you.
[00:11] <kmh> i'm wondering whether 23.04 did a switch from nts +fuse to ntfs-3g oonly for some reason
[00:11] <kmh> what's dh doing exactly?
[00:12] <mmikowski> It may be that you installed fuse + ntfs-3g at some point and forgot about it.
[00:12] <mmikowski> sorry; df
[00:12] <kmh> no
[00:12] <mmikowski> df => shows mounts
[00:12] <kmh> i didn't nothing in 22.04 or older version, that worked out of the box
[00:13] <mmikowski> or sudo blkid
[00:13] <kmh> and doesn't now with 23.04
[00:13] <mmikowski> I understand.
[00:13] <mmikowski> Well hopefully that is useful; I gotta run to some other work stuff.
[00:14] <mmikowski> best of luck to you.
[00:14] <kmh> i just noticed the difference that 22.04 displays fuseblk (so fuse installed) while 23.04 display ntfs-3g
[00:14] <kmh> ty
[00:14] <mmikowski> yw. let me know how it goes! I will just be afkb for a while.
[00:47] <user|6> 015 hd lteni desdoraotrnoc los oatomoc Franco
[01:07] <kmh> mmikowski,  mounting per hand did work at least
[04:03] <mmikowski> kmh: I thought it might. So now we know that it's the mounting mechanism used by Dolphin that's connection different than you want.
[04:03] <mmikowski> So figure that one out and problem solve :)
[04:07] <kmh> yeah but i don't know why dolphin does nvm how to change it
[04:08] <kmh> and moreover why dolphin in 23.04 does something different than 22.04 which makes no sense at face value
[04:09] <kmh> i probably live with a workaround of either using fstab or script for mounting
[04:09] <kmh> i'm not much of an OS admin guy, who likes to tinkering around and fix such problems
[11:01] <morpheuz> is arraybolt3 still here?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:43] <morpheuz> hi BluesKaj wb
[11:44] <BluesKaj> hi morpheuz
[12:35] <Elliria> Hey there, Dolphin offers the "Duplicate Here" option in the context menu when you're inside the program, but if you're on the desktop, that' option isn't available. Is there a way to enable it on the desktop?
[15:15] <user|17> kubuntu 23.04 нет звука intel icelake
[17:50] <fusion1181> When clicking "sleep" on the power menu or application launcher nothing happens. This was working a few weeks ago but suddenly stopped. How would I troubleshoot this issue? Is there a command I can run from the terminal that would report errors or a log that I can view?


[02:00] <jumpkick> .
[03:04] <jumpkick> I feel like an idiot, I can't figure out how to tell Juju to bring up a down unit
[03:04] <jumpkick> - juju-gui/0: <IP_ADDRESS> (down) 80/tcp, 443/tcp
[03:07] <jumpkick> Can anyone hit me with a clue?  I'm searching the docs and "juju run" isn't it thats for running stuff on the units
[03:07] <jumpkick> there's no "juju start" or "juju up"
[03:24] <X-Rob> jumpkick: I think that means the agent is down
[03:24] <X-Rob> I could be wrong though
[03:25] <X-Rob> do a 'juju status' of the node
[03:25] <X-Rob> uh service
[04:00] <jumpkick> X-Rob: the agent-state is down, and it doesn't respond to ping
[04:01] <X-Rob> jumpkick: so, go push the power button, however you do it
[04:01] <jumpkick> exactly what I don't know how to do
[04:01] <X-Rob> walk over to the machine and push the button on the front that says 'power'
[04:01] <X-Rob> It often looks like a circle with a line through the top
[04:02] <jumpkick> I'm on the host
[04:02] <jumpkick> I don't want to reboot my workstation because an LXC container didn't autostart
[04:02] <X-Rob> So it's a virtual machine?
[04:02] <X-Rob> Right
[04:02] <X-Rob> you want to know how to start a LXC container
[04:03] <jumpkick> I figured juju would have a way to manage the start up of the container, since juju created it and juju was supposed to see that it was started
[04:03] <X-Rob> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html
[04:03] <X-Rob> Something turned it off
[04:05] <jumpkick> machine-0: 2014-12-21 03:59:41 WARNING juju.worker.instanceupdater updater.go:247 cannot get instance info for instance "user-local-machine-1": no instances found
[04:05] <jumpkick> this is probably what shut it off


[00:15] <linux> hello anyone here?
[00:29] <Riddell> yep
[00:44] <ahoneybun> valorie: I see we got one person wanting to proofread for us
[01:02] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1264016] can't create pen tablet profile @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1264016 (by Risto Pekkala)
[01:28] <manchicken> Good news! I figured out how to submit patches!
[01:28] <manchicken> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/114650/
[01:36] <manchicken> Happy Christmas to Europe.
[01:36] <manchicken> valorie: What do you need proofreading on?
[02:29] <ahoneybun> Hello all
[02:34]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/12/25/photo-triage-kde-retrospective
[02:37] <manchicken> Riddell: Want me to tag you as a reviewer on my libqapt RB post?
[02:37] <manchicken> I finally got it submitted.
[02:37] <Riddell> manchicken: you can do but I doubt I'd be the best since I've never looed at libqapt
[02:38] <manchicken> Righto.
[02:38] <manchicken> I'm just hoping someone gives me a review :)
[02:39] <manchicken> The changes to libqapt make kubuntu-debug-installer's changes much more possible.
[02:39] <Riddell> yay
[02:39] <Riddell> I'm sure someone will
[02:41] <manchicken> The biggest problem I was having with kubuntu-debug-installer was that I kept on trashing my apt setup whenever I tested it... I fixed that bug in libqapt.
[02:41] <manchicken> Also, we also have the ability to specifically determine which sources.list file the entry goes into.
[02:49] <manchicken> Yay, JonT reviewed it!
[02:51] <manchicken> Weaksauce... he wants multiple patches.
[05:41] <valorie> happy birthday, Riddell!
[05:41] <valorie> probably a bit late.....
[06:41] <ahoneybun> hey people
[06:51] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[06:52] <valorie> hey ahoneybun
[06:52] <valorie> merry christmas
[06:58] <ahoneybun> merry christmas
[06:59]  * ahoneybun just needs to deal with this card https://trello.com/c/jpa4Ob0g/70-wiki-kubuntu-org-forward-to-wiki-kubuntu-org-kubuntu
[07:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't have any presents lol
[07:04] <ahoneybun> I sent a email to rt about that card with you and Riddell as cc's
[07:05] <valorie> good
[07:05] <valorie> I'll read it in a bit
[07:08] <ahoneybun> ok
[07:11] <ahoneybun> I'm rereading the email about my membership :)
[07:22] <ahoneybun> makes me happy to look at the work
[07:24] <valorie> me too
[07:25] <valorie> {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}
[07:25] <valorie> you rock
[07:26] <ahoneybun> thanks you too val
[07:26] <ahoneybun> I was wondering about the mini-docs
[07:26] <ahoneybun> since all the docs can be translated now
[07:26] <ahoneybun> with mediawiki
[07:27] <valorie> and my comment is, do we need them, if we can get everything translated?
[07:27] <valorie> the original idea was to have a small subset so those could be translated
[07:28] <valorie> but if it all is -- our docs are not that large a package
[07:29] <ahoneybun> we don't really need them in my option
[07:29] <ahoneybun> since they were dealing with the problem of translating on the moinmoin system
[07:29] <valorie> I agree
[07:29] <ahoneybun> but we have mediawiki not
[07:29] <valorie> I think they were darkwing's idea
[07:29] <ahoneybun> *now which removes the need
[07:30] <valorie> in response to a problem we no longer have
[07:30] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:30] <valorie> and he's not helping out
[07:30] <valorie> so
[07:30] <valorie> buh bye
[07:30] <ahoneybun> so remove from trello
[07:30] <valorie> imo
[07:30] <valorie> cool
[07:30] <ahoneybun> agreed +1
[07:30] <ahoneybun> this is a good idea https://trello.com/c/rdjcoZVZ/74-update-screenshot-to-14-04
[07:31] <ahoneybun> and with mediawiki we can do it
[07:31] <ahoneybun> wrong link
[07:31] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/c/ubPSfp6f/73-video-tutorials-for-kubuntu-docs
[07:31] <ahoneybun> there
[07:32] <valorie> yes, that sounds really useful
[07:32] <valorie> people learn in different ways
[07:33] <valorie> videos don't help ME
[07:33] <valorie> but some love 'em
[07:33] <ahoneybun> I like pictures  and videos
[07:33] <ahoneybun> more hands on as well
[07:33] <valorie> yes
[07:34] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/c/gTWl12rt/76-advanced-page-set-for-14-04 with this should we include things like hotspot usage, wine, alien and such?
[07:36] <valorie> I think we should link to pages about those topics, sure
[07:36] <valorie> people ask, so we should provide information if we have it
[07:36] <valorie> short, accurate, sweet
[07:36] <ahoneybun> ok Volken has one about hotspot usage (with pictures
[07:37] <ahoneybun> on a askubuntu or something like that
[07:38] <ahoneybun> also http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute maybe use this on kubuntu.org as the Contibute page?
[07:38] <ahoneybun> I know I need to talk to Riddell and them first
[07:40] <valorie> perhaps send an email to -devel and discuss our page, and the present Contribute page
[07:40] <valorie> personally, I'd like to see the same content used multiple places, so that one update makes everything current
[07:40] <ahoneybun> mirroring
[07:41] <ahoneybun> like docs.kubuntu.org
[07:41] <valorie> right
[07:41] <valorie> updating the same info multiple places is a bit nuts
[07:44] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:44] <ahoneybun> email sent
[07:44] <ahoneybun> we got one email back about the proofreading
[07:47] <valorie> cool
[07:47] <valorie> I've been afk most of today, and will be tomorrow too
[07:48] <ahoneybun> ok
[07:48] <ahoneybun> I find it funny that Ubuntu Ohio LoCo is following our Google+ page
[07:48] <valorie> why is that funny?
[07:49] <valorie> probably someone in the leadership is a kub. users
[07:49] <valorie> user
[07:49] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:49] <valorie> we are part of the ubuntu community after all
[07:49] <ahoneybun> I just updated the page with our new wiki url and trello page
[07:50]  * ahoneybun just realized we can theme docs.kubuntu.org how we want if we wanted to do more work lol
[07:51] <valorie> cool
[07:51] <ahoneybun> since we are not on wiki.kubuntu.org anymore
[07:51] <ahoneybun> I kinda want to make nice page
[07:51] <ahoneybun> just wonder if I have the skill
[07:52] <valorie> one of these days it would be good to do a search on wiki.ubuntu.org for "kubuntu" and see what's there
[07:52] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:52] <valorie> might be good stuff, or stuff needing fixing or deletion
[07:57] <ahoneybun> god my site design class seems so long ago lol
[07:57] <ahoneybun> can't remember anything
[07:58] <valorie> there are a lot of good books and sites about good design
[07:59] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:59] <ahoneybun> trying to go simple
[08:00] <ahoneybun> http://www.modny73.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Clean-Minimal-Web-Designs-cover.jpg like this
[08:00] <valorie> that's always the best, for sure
[08:00] <ahoneybun> logo on the right then pages on the left
[08:00] <ahoneybun> buttons
[08:00] <valorie> without the models, I hope
[08:00] <ahoneybun> minus the women of course
[08:00] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[08:01] <valorie> looks good
[08:01] <ahoneybun> I want it to keep the Kubuntu colors as well
[08:01] <ahoneybun> to look nice
[08:01] <ahoneybun> and use GIMP and such to make the buttons
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:03] <valorie> right, we need to fit in with the rest of the site
[08:12] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey !
[08:14] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, Merry Christmas! How are you?
[08:14] <ahoneybun> valorie: I made a site for my class that had 3 different buttons for each action
[08:14] <ahoneybun> normal, hover, click
[08:14] <ahoneybun> lordievader: same to you and good
[08:15] <valorie> I like the hover class: what will this do?
[08:15] <valorie> I really miss that in mobile apps
[08:15] <valorie> no clue what clicking a button will do, sometimes
[08:15] <valorie> and no way to find out except trying it
[08:16] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I had some question about the kde userbase. I need an account to edit the site, how do I make one since my bugs.kde account doesn't work.
[08:17] <valorie> identity.kde.org
[08:17] <valorie> they are working to integrate the bugs accounts, but that isn't done yet
[08:18] <lordievader> Ah I see, thanks.
[08:18] <ahoneybun> or google
[08:18]  * lordievader heads over to identity.kde.org
[08:18] <valorie> one problem is that some people have multiple bko accounts, because for instance they work on one thing for work, another at not-work
[08:18] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I tried that, got some error there.
[08:18] <valorie> I don't think the google stuff is working out
[08:21] <ahoneybun> yea just saying
[08:21] <valorie> identity is getting better and better
[08:24] <ahoneybun> yea I just made a new account
[08:25] <valorie> ?
[08:25] <valorie> you shouldn't have more than one
[08:26] <valorie> if you do, you can get the sysadmins to merge them, I think
[08:26]  * lordievader has an account :)
[08:27] <ahoneybun> idk could not get in anymore
[08:27] <ahoneybun> or at all
[08:28] <ahoneybun> lordievader: We have all the pages moved over to userbase now :)
[08:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ah great, lovely.
[08:28] <ahoneybun> yep
[08:29] <ahoneybun> just need them to be proofread again incase I messed something up when I moved them over
[08:29] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BiDKXNbAJzU/UqiPbBy8vDI/AAAAAAAAIYw/6wRRjd69eRA/w1064-h599-no/The-Time-of-the-Doctor-POST.png
[08:30] <lordievader> Hmm, do I need to do some additional things? Or should I wait because the systems need to sync? I can't login to the userbase.kde.
[08:30] <valorie> lordievader: ask at #kde-sysadmin
[08:30] <lordievader> Too bad I can't watch Dr. Who tonight. I hope they put it on the iPlayer.
[08:30] <valorie> they can check the account and make sure everything is ok
[08:31] <valorie> lordievader: I think it is recording now
[08:31] <valorie> I was going to wait, but I might break down and watch......
[08:31] <ahoneybun> valorie: excellent follow up to my email
[08:31] <valorie> "=_
[08:31] <valorie> sheesh
[08:31] <valorie> :-)
[08:31] <valorie> total finger/keyboard mismatch
  are awesome lol
[08:34] <ahoneybun> so early
[08:34] <ahoneybun> 3:30 am
[08:35] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Here it is 9:30 am ;)
[08:35] <ahoneybun> wow
[08:35] <ahoneybun> 12/25?
[08:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Yes.
[08:36] <ahoneybun> wow
[08:37] <lordievader> Is that strange?
[08:37] <ahoneybun> no just different
[08:37] <ahoneybun> timezone are funny lol
[08:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6VqB4klpQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=118
[08:41] <valorie> ahoneybun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jtC8vjXw8
[08:41] <valorie> sad how much of that I recognize
[08:42] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[08:43] <ahoneybun> it has erb in it'
[08:55] <ahoneybun> 2013 went by so fast
[08:56] <lordievader> When you're having fun time goes twice as fast. ahoneybun, you had a lot of fun ;)
[08:56] <ahoneybun> oh I did? lol
[08:57] <ahoneybun> yea I did
[08:57] <lordievader> ;)
[08:57] <ahoneybun> lol brought back the Docs that is the biggest one
[08:57]  * lordievader is now able to edit the Documentation :D
[08:58] <ahoneybun> sweet
[08:59] <lordievader> But first I need to comment/document my art project and make it available on Github.
[09:03] <ahoneybun> any news on the installer for 14.04>
[09:03] <ahoneybun> what is it going to look like so we can update those installer images
[09:03] <ahoneybun> ?
[11:18] <k1310> hi
[11:18] <k1310> is there anyone with problems running eclipse in kubuntu 13.10?
[11:32] <codeforfun> k1310: hi, what problems/errors do you encounter?
[11:33] <k1310> Hi, it's a core dump, i'm reading in forums that it could be related to the system preferences, it's a bug of the java vm
[11:34] <codeforfun> k1310: are you unable to start Eclipse? it crashes right at startup or afterwards?
[11:34] <k1310> at startup
[11:35] <k1310> it seems to work changing the gtk2 theme of kde
[11:36] <k1310> ok, i'ts working now
[11:36] <k1310> thank you codeforfun, for your attention!
[11:58] <Quintasan> \o
[11:59] <Quintasan> codeforfun:  good job "debugging" that at first attempt
[11:59] <Quintasan> took me a while to figure out what the hell is going on with eclispe
[11:59] <Quintasan> eclipse even*
[12:32] <codeforfun> Quintasan: yes, problems with Eclipse I had usually involved: having the right JVM, settings in eclipse.ini , or the correct theme on the desktop environment, i.e. GTK+ apps discrepancies in a non-GTK DE
[12:34] <codeforfun> k1310: btw https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_Look_for_Qt_and_GTK_Applications
[13:00] <Mamarok> oh my, I forgot Riddell's birthday :( Happy belated one, then :)
[13:06] <soee_> kded4 crashes lately
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas to all !
[19:35] <ahoneybun> Merry Christmas people
[20:11] <Noskcaj> merry christmas (for yesterday) ahoneybun
[21:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how was Doctor Who
[21:48] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, Would you mind seeing which of the ktp packages can be fakesynced? Most of them can, and it's an unnecessary diff from debian for most of them.
[21:57] <valorie> I held off watching the Doctor until tonight!
[21:57] <valorie> extra xmas treat
[21:57] <valorie> happy christmas, everybody
[22:38] <acmarques> Alguém pode me dizer porque o compiz não funciona no Kubuntu 13.10?
[23:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: a bit over sentimental but good as always
[23:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like the new doctor will be a bit grumpyer
[23:16] <ahoneybun> Riddell: don't I have not seen it yey!
[23:16] <ahoneybun> yet


[00:06] <amurray> ogra: you could disconnect the desktop interface and that would disallow the use of portals (but then sadly it would break a lot of other stuff for an application) - perhaps in snapd we should split portals out to be their own interface if this is something that is a real issue?
[00:25] <ogra> amurray, well, adding finer grained control to either mechanism would help too 🙂
[00:27] <ogra> it would be cool if snapd would be clever enough to not auto-connect the home interface for apps using portals ... and if we could then have access rules for the portals ...
[00:34] <amurray> yeah, if snapd could detect that portals were available and then not auto-connect home that would interesting
[07:40] <mup> PR snapd#12134 closed: interfaces/u2f-devices: Add Flipper Zero U2F support (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1989376) <Created by ChrisMacNaughton> <Closed by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12134>
[08:10] <mup> PR snapd#12135 opened: Fixed outdated WSL detection <Created by EduardGomezEscandell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12135>
[08:15] <mup> PR snapd#12127 closed: i/b/system_packages_doc: restore access to Libreoffice documentation <Created by mardy> <Merged by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12127>
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#12136 opened: many: stub devicestate.Install{Finish,SetupStorageEncryption}() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12136>
[09:15] <mup> PR snapd#12120 closed: o/snapstate: support specific revisions in UpdateMany/InstallMany <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12120>
[09:25] <mup> PR snapd#12130 closed: usersession: Remove duplicated struct <Created by sergio-costas> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12130>
[10:25] <mup> PR snapd#12137 opened: snapdenv: added wsl to userAgent <Created by EduardGomezEscandell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12137>
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#12138 opened: store: use typed valset keys in store package <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12138>
[11:10] <mup> PR snapd#12128 closed: client: clarify what InstallStep{SetupStorageEncryption,Finish} do <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12128>
[11:10] <mup> PR snapd#12133 closed: client: prepare InstallSystemOptions for real use <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12133>
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#12129 closed: tests: fix non mountable filesystem error in interfaces-udisks2 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12129>
[12:11] <mup> PR snapd#12139 opened: tests: fix preseed tests for arm systems <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12139>
[13:01] <mup> PR snapd#12140 opened: o/snapstate: support running multiple ops transactionally <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12140>
[13:36] <mup> PR snapd#10537 closed: snap: add new `snap whoami --refresh-keys` to update ssh keys <Precious but later :heart:> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10537>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#12141 opened: Azure IoT Edge system usernames <Created by alexclewontin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12141>
[19:32] <mup> PR snapd#12142 opened: tests: fix nested errors uc20 <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12142>
[20:17] <mup> PR snapd#12074 closed: tests: start using remote tools from snapd-testing-tools project in nested tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12074>


[12:29] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[12:29] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue196


[00:13] <jeremy> hi
[00:15] <bullfrog1492> anyone here?
[00:16] <bullfrog1492> the bzreclipse download is down @ the only mirror that still seems to be up: http://verterok.com.ar/bzr-eclipse/update-site/
[00:16] <bullfrog1492> please advise.
[00:23] <jelmer> verterok: ^
[00:34] <mgz> poolie or someone else in charge, do I need to bug for contributor agreement for lp:~zigarn/bzr/440472-string-bugtracker to be merged?
[00:37] <lifeless> I think so
[03:09] <anteru> Hi
[03:09] <anteru> Is there anyone working on the website?
[04:10] <mwhudson> does anyone know what
 this means:
  - either LP team supports the code base
  - or the distro have it in main and support the code base
  - no *new* SPOFs
  - transparent
  - no *slower* than what we have today
  - no *higher* expected maintenance overhead (stability, corruption, robustness)
 you could always migrate the librarian to S3 ...
[04:10] <mwhudson> baaaaa
[04:10] <mwhudson> does anyone know what
[04:10] <mwhudson> AttributeError: 'Tag' object has no attribute 'parents'
[04:10] <mwhudson> implies?
[04:10] <mwhudson> trunk dulwich, git & bzr
[04:13] <fullermd> Seems to me I've heard reports of that, and it was a result of some API slippage among pieces.
[04:13] <fullermd> But I don't remember any details.
[04:13] <mwhudson> reverting to the most recent tags on bzr-git and dulwich gets different errors :(
[04:14] <fullermd> See?  Progress!
[04:54] <mwhudson> i think it might be that imports from local git repos are busticated?
[05:35] <verterok> bullfrog1492: hi, sorry. I'll contact the owner of the server, I can't even login via ssh
[06:05] <verterok> bullfrog1492: fyi, it seems to be a dns problem, should be fixed pretty soon. in the meantime the update site is accesible in a different domain: http://guille.beuno.com.ar/bzr-eclipse/update-site/
[06:12] <johnf> What does "inconsistent parents" mean in a bzr check?
[06:12] <spiv> johnf: short answer: nothing important
[06:13] <spiv> (I'm not really here, hopefully vila or someone can go into more detail if you need it)
[06:13] <johnf> spiv: yeah wondering why it occurs. Related to the bzr repository analysis I'm doing
[06:16] <mwhudson> johnf: i think it means that the file graph and the revision graph don't always specify the parent revids in the same order
[06:24] <lifeless> mwhudson: well, I know what the former means.
[06:24] <bullfrog1492> verterok: thank you very much
[06:24] <mwhudson> it's entirely possible i'm completely wrong
[06:25] <mwhudson> i actually meant to say that before lifeless's comment :)
[07:01] <bullfrog2000> verterok: I tried using http://guille.beuno.com.ar/bzr-eclipse/update-site/, but it seems to be hanging at "Calculating requirements and dependencies"
[07:01] <bullfrog2000> when i try to install
[07:44] <vila> hi all 1
 even there I manage to make typos :)
[07:48] <mwhudson> vila: are you low on caffeine, nicotine or both?
[07:49]  * vila get a needle and does an analysis...
[07:49] <vila> nope, seems correct
[07:49] <vila> ob both counts
[07:49] <vila> on
[07:49] <vila> :-(
[07:49] <vila> :-D
[07:49] <mwhudson> :-)
[07:49] <vila> should be something else then...
[08:22] <johnf> Is it possible to tell which version of bzr a particular commit was made with?
[08:23] <lifeless> its not stamped
[08:23] <lifeless> one can guess depending on how buggy it is :P
[08:23] <johnf> :)
[08:24] <vila> johnf: is it still related to the inconsistent parents ?
[08:24] <johnf> vila: no
[08:24] <vila> ok
[08:24] <johnf> do source downloads of bzr prior to 0.17 exist anywhere?
[08:25] <lifeless> lp I guess
[08:25] <johnf> only goes back to 0.17 in 2007
[08:25] <vila> johnf: if not on lp, there are tags and you may use some VCS to get back at the sources you're interested in ;)
[08:26] <fullermd> I think before that the primary downloads were off the bazaar-ng.org site.
[08:26] <johnf> good poing :)
[08:26]  * vila wonders if it
[08:26]  * vila wonders if it's a typo or pun on 'poing' meaning first in French ;)
[08:26] <fullermd> Doesn't seem accessible any more.  It just redirects itself into the wiki.
[08:26] <vila> fist not first :-(
[08:27] <fullermd> If you have to use a fist, it's best to be first   :p
[08:28] <johnf> heh
[08:30] <johnf> Has "bzr mv" always existed?
[08:30] <fullermd> As long as I've used bzr (sorta)
[08:35] <Jerub> that was one of the selling points wasn' tit?
[08:35] <Jerub> that it could rename and svn couldn't?
[08:44] <johnf> just checked out tag for 0.1 and I can move did indeed exist
[08:45] <johnf> sorry that's 0.0.5
[08:47] <vila> johnf: what kind of archeological stuff are you on ? ;)
[08:48] <johnf> vila: heh I've been asked to perform some analysis on a repository for a client, going back to 2006 :)
[08:49] <vila> johnf: oh, hmm, I hope you will be able to tell us about the interesting bits
[08:50] <vila> johnf: Is the repo public or not ?
[08:50] <johnf> vila: no it isn't
[08:50] <vila> johnf: yeah, I guessed... but better to be sure :)
[08:55] <lifeless> johnf: is this the thing you rang me about ?
[08:55] <johnf> lifeless: yes
[08:55] <lifeless> nice
[08:55] <lifeless> gl
[08:58] <starenka> how can i annotate deleted file (get to know when and who deleted it)?
[09:03] <CcxCZ> starenka: bzr log <file>
[09:04] <CcxCZ> well duh
[09:04] <CcxCZ> but the file is not there
[09:04] <CcxCZ> there was some history grep plugin
[09:05] <lifeless> bzr log -v | less, and search for the path (/PATH0
[09:08] <starenka> lifeless: how come i can't | grep it?
[09:09]  * starenka shots himself in the head (bad file name :) )
[09:11] <starenka> thanks
[09:13] <bialix> heya
[09:13] <bialix> vila, mgs: ping
[09:13] <bialix> vila, mgz: ping
[09:13] <vila> bialix: pong
[09:13] <bialix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/631350/comments/11
[09:14] <bialix> vila: I'm very confused
[09:14] <bialix> the only way I can think of is to try to reproduce the same with simple python script
[09:14] <vila> wow, I can understand why, this sounds pretty awful
[09:15] <bialix> and check is this a bug in Python 2.6 or MS dlls
[09:15] <bialix> so, the tip to go back to 2.5 does not sound completely crazy this morning
[09:16] <vila> bialix: long term (and may be even short term), it may be better to diagnose and fix... I don't know what will be required to downgrade to 2.5 on windows...
[09:16] <bialix> vila: and maybe I need to look at the build machine soon. I think I should contact either jam or Garyvdm
[09:17] <vila> bialix: yup, maybe check with mgz first, he seemed to be on something
[09:18] <mgz> ah, bialix, you tried with a standalone 2.6? that was worth doing.
[09:18] <bialix> I'll wait for mgz comments. He hunted that bug very effectively yesterday
[09:18] <bialix> mgz: heya!
[09:18] <vila> bialix: and what output do you have with the 2.2.0 installer ?
[09:18] <bialix> the same as with py 2.6
[09:19] <mgz> how about something even simpler and just do `python26 -c "print 'Тест'"
[09:19] <bialix> added as comment 12
[09:19] <vila> bialix: Ok, borked then. And when you say 2.2 sources which revno ?
[09:19] <mgz> or at least see how minimal we can get a repo without bzr
[09:20] <bialix> vila, mgz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/631350/comments/13
[09:20] <vila> bialix: and make sure you have the compiled extensions too, that may be another source of differences if dirstate is involved
[09:20] <mgz> if this is a python upstream bug, great. I couldn't really believe it would be, as it's pretty giant and I found nothing on their tracker.
[09:21] <mgz> one thing to try: locale module in python 2.6
[09:21] <mgz> using the c locale has always been a great way to shoot yourself in the foot on windows
[09:21] <bialix> C:\work\Bazaar\bzr-2a\2.2>C:\Python26\python.exe -c "print u'\u0422\u0435\u0441\u0442'"
[09:21] <bialix> Тест
[09:22] <vila> mgz: works nicely on OSX too (regarding feet)
[09:22] <mgz> okay, how about with import locale;locale.set_locale('') on the front
[09:22] <mgz> (or whatever it is we do in bzr on that front)
[09:22] <bialix> vila: compiled extensions does involved here. it's all about output
[09:22] <bialix> vila: compiled extensions does NOT involved here. it's all about output
[09:23] <vila> bialix: except if they provide a different *input* :)
[09:23] <bialix> if you look at my bug report you can see that *sometimes* bzr produce correct output
[09:23] <mgz> *locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')
[09:23] <bialix> vila: I don't think so
[09:24] <vila> bialix: should be easy to prove that it's irrelevant then ;-P
[09:24] <bialix> vila: I don't have VS2008 compiler :-P
[09:24]  * vila bangs head on desk
[09:25] <vila> bialix: waitaminute, you mean you never compile extensions yourself ?
[09:25] <bialix> I can copy pyds from bzr.exe but I'm sure  it's irrelevant
[09:25] <bialix> vila: for Python 2.5 I have VS2003
[09:26] <vila> bialix: eerk, don't do that, if they are out-of-date you'll get all sort of weirds errors
[09:26] <bialix> for Python 2.6 I need VS2008. I don't have it, and not very keen to install it right now
[09:26] <vila> bialix: ha, so you build your own bzr.exe for py25 from sources ?
[09:26] <bialix> and I'm not sure which version of mingw-gcc should support both 2.5 and 2.6
[09:27] <bialix> vila: I *can* build bzr.exe for py25, yes
[09:27] <bialix> but I don't because I prefer to dogfood official installer
[09:27]  * vila cries, we *need* a free (as in speech) versioned dev setup
[09:28]  * bialix cries too
[09:28] <vila> bialix: but how can you test your fixes ?
[09:28] <bialix> I haven't done the changes to compiled extensions yet
[09:29] <bialix> and I'm happy with Python 2.5, so if I need to test something I can build extensions for 2.5
[09:29] <mgz> okay, that repos it for me.
[09:29] <vila> mgz: repro ?
[09:29] <bialix> vila: I don't understand what you can't understand
[09:30] <vila> bialix: I didn't understand how you built extensions, now I do, you use py25 ;)
[09:30] <bialix> YES
[09:30] <vila> bialix: but stay with the installer as much as you can
[09:30] <bialix> yes, excatly
[09:31] <bialix> because somebody should file bugs about installer
[09:31] <vila> bialix: sure, what I wasn't getting was the py25/py26 difference
[09:32] <bialix> py2.3 have used old MSVS v.6; py2.4/2.5 switched to VS2003, py2.6/2.7 switched to VS2008
[09:32] <mgz> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489663/
[09:32] <bialix> every time it created pain in the *ss for people
[09:32] <mgz> ^that repo.
[09:33] <bialix> mgz: it's not quite correct; what sys.stdout.encoding says?
[09:33] <bialix> print is not quite correct to use here
[09:33] <mgz> cp866
[09:34] <bialix> mgz: please use unicode for Тест: u'\u0422\u0435\u0441\u0442'
[09:34] <mgz> as does locale.getpreferredencoding *prior* to calling setlocale
[09:34] <bialix> oops
[09:34] <mgz> identical.
[09:34] <bialix> does we call set_locale in bzrlib???
[09:34] <mgz> the problem is it's trying to get to a codepage from the system *language*
[09:34]  * bialix cries
[09:35] <mgz> when both the system codepage and terminal codepage are unrelated
[09:35] <mgz> so... step one, kill the locale module :)
[09:35] <bialix> kiil the chicken
[09:36] <mgz> don't know why the locale setting started mangling streams in msvc 9, but we can avoid it at least.
[09:38] <bialix> so this is either bug in python2.6+ or misfeature in python2.6+
[09:38] <bialix> I think the latter
[09:38] <mgz> well, I think python 2.6 might be able to blame it alternately on us and microsoft
[09:39] <bialix> yes, of course, of course, why not
[09:39] <bialix> I think blaming us is the right choice
[09:40]  * bialix is going crying for the rest of the day
[09:49] <mgz> well, two options I think on the fixing front
[09:50] <mgz> #1 just don't call setlocale on windows, we don't use any of the features it attempts to provide anyway
[09:51] <mgz> #2 do locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ".%d" % locale.getpreferredencoding())... but that might still mess stuff up
[09:52] <mgz> getting all that crap out of the bzr startup script would be nice, there's already some mac workaround and a giant comment in there
[09:52] <vila> mgz: time for a brzlib.osutils.locale module ?
[09:53] <vila> mgz: yup, I know this comment :-(
[09:53] <vila> mgz: and I'm pretty sure it's not accurate anymore
[09:55] <mgz> well, the flipside of that is it's a process-global setting we really only want to hit once even on platforms that benefit from it
[09:56] <mgz> but packagifying osutils and some serious sanitising is one of the things I've got notes on in case I ever have a free month :)
[09:56] <vila> mgz: all the encodings we use (terminal, output, user) are already cached so we shouldn't set it more than once anyway
[09:57] <vila> mgz: yup, but starting with locale may be a first step
[09:57] <vila> could be overkill for this bug though, just mentioning
[09:57] <vila> bbib
[10:00]  * bialix bbl
[10:54] <bialix> mgz: ping
[10:55] <mgz> pong: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489700/
[10:58] <mgz> just reading a confused thread on mingw-users on this too, doesn't help much
[10:59] <bialix> I've just realized I'm testing on native English Windows XP with Russian locale. I have to test on my home notebook with native Russian Windows XP
[10:59] <bialix> but after your paste I'm not sure there will be any difference
[10:59] <bialix> mgz: so this is a bug in msvcrt90.dll?
[10:59] <mgz> I think it will still be broken if the terminal and general codepage are different, unless they've special-cased that somehow
[11:00] <mgz> it's an... odd... behaviour change, at any rate
[11:00] <bialix> why anybody want to re-encode the strings -- I don't understand
[11:00] <mgz> can see why they've done it, the locale dependent c functions need to return a bytestring in some sensible encoding, so languages have a default encoding tagged on
[11:01] <bialix> heh
[11:01] <mgz> somewhere along the line they've had people expecting to be able to change the locale+codepage of the whole process like this,
[11:01] <mgz> as per this post saying "mingw should do it like msvc" <http://lists-archives.org/mingw-users/10242-problem-with-setlocale.html>
[11:01] <bialix> in python everything was easy: if you have unicode then it will be encoded on output
[11:02] <mgz> but Python 2 cheats
[11:02] <bialix> should we still file a bug against python?
[11:02] <mgz> it encodes to bytes itself then wants those kept pristine through the c library byte handling functions
[11:02] <mgz> (not a big requirement, but apparently breakable)
[11:03] <mgz> pretty much, we want to avoid this by not going near LC_CTYPE, which isn't hard because it's strictly less useful than unicodedata anyway
[11:04] <mgz> really, the only thing we *might* be using currently is strftime, for all its other flaws at least the c locale stuff lets to cherrypick categories
[11:05] <bialix> omg
[11:06] <bialix> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/tf52y4t1(VS.71).aspx this page says that only putws (unicode version) encode the output
[11:07] <bialix> there is no indication that puts should re-encode the output
[11:07] <mgz> right, this is... talking about different things
 "The category must be either LC_ALL or LC_CTYPE to effect a change of code page."
[11:10] <mgz> That's all I can see in the docs, but the implication is they've bundled chcp-like functionality into setlocale
[11:11] <mgz> I don't quite get it, but... we can avoid this problem.
[11:13] <bialix> mgz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489707/
[11:13] <mgz> yeah, it's pretty dumb.
[11:14] <bialix> but if I run chcp 1251 and repeat the same steps it's anyway borked
[11:14] <bialix> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489708/
[11:14] <bialix> crazy
[11:15] <bialix> if you know how to avoid this crazyness I'll +1e6 on the patch
[11:17] <mgz> don't call breakmyprogramrandomly(LC_ALL, "")... ehm, I mean, setlocale
[11:18] <mgz> I'll put up a branch to that effect for review.
[11:20] <bialix> thank you
[12:30] <ddaa> just wondering
[12:31] <ddaa> is there a hack around to provide authentication on plain bzr:// ?
[12:32] <lifeless> ssltunnel ? :P
[12:32] <ddaa> oh
[12:33] <ddaa> yep, bzr serve --port localhost:4155 woud work with tunelling
[12:33] <ddaa> but that's pointless, because then you may as well use bzr+ssh.
[12:34] <maxb> What would be neat, would be SASL auth on top of the smart server protocol
[12:39] <ddaa> I can imagine that stunnel might be easier to setup than sshd in some cases (windows...)
[12:39] <ddaa> Thanks.
[13:24] <mgz> dammit. missplaced apostrophe.
[13:25] <mgz> ...and tyop in the first sentence
[13:25] <mgz> think that's a sign of time to give up on computers and do something else
[13:43] <vila> mgz: ok, got it.
[13:44] <vila> mgz: many regressions about unicode/locale have been introduced in 2.1 when we stopped running LC_CTYPE= LANG=C LC_ALL= ./bzr selftest
[13:44] <vila> well s/in 2.1/since 2.1/
[13:45] <vila> mgz: try it on trunk :-/
[13:46] <mgz> I think this bug might be a bit harder to hit than it appeared, I wouldn't be suprised if on Alexander's all russian, all the time, box no mangling happens even though the basic code page and terminal codepage differ
[13:47] <mgz> but locale things are just a pain, there's actually some benefit on nix though as it controls a bunch of system things as well as the c language stuff
[13:49] <vila> mgz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489776/ will remind you some things
[13:50] <mgz> yeah, that's the "don't know how to map unicode to the filesystem" joy
[13:51] <vila> mgz: not only, it doesn't *finish*
[13:52] <mgz> the tests falling over is an easier fix, must remember to do that...
[16:12] <dev001> .join #suse
[16:12] <bialix> hi jam
[16:12] <jam> morning bi
[16:12] <jam> bialix (tab fail)
[16:13] <bialix> is it possible to look at build machine? I'm interesting in py2exe.log file and/or in the content of win32_bzr.exe folder
[16:14] <bialix> I suspect we should bundle manifest files for our exe files
[16:14] <bialix> they're not currently installed with standalone installer
[16:14] <bialix> jam: ^
[16:16] <jam> bialix: the build machine is currently stopped, but we can bring it (from scratch) if you want. We'll need to trigger a fresh build to get any interesting output, though
[16:17] <bialix> Gary said he's going to build new installer tonight, maybe I should waut him then
[16:17] <bialix> wait
[17:39] <GaryvdM> Hi jam
[17:40] <GaryvdM> jam: Please may I do a build on the ec2 server
[17:40] <jam> GaryvdM: I'll spin it up
[17:40] <GaryvdM> jam: Thanks
[17:40] <GaryvdM> jam: I started building a vm, but not done yet.
[17:41] <jam> GaryvdM: i was also hoping to get it set up on vila's babune machine, but we haven't done much with that
[17:42] <jam> we should add a startup script that emails me so I know when the instance is actually running :)
[17:42] <GaryvdM> bialix probable on his way home. I read he was just talking to you.
[17:51] <jml> can I use bzrlib to fetch an http page with query parameters?
[17:54] <jam> jml: Transport.get_bytes() talks in URLs, so it should be possible
[17:54] <jml> jam: thanks.
[17:56] <vila> jml: not so sure, that rings a bell around split_url or some other url related function that get rid of the junk (err, sorry, query)
[17:57] <vila> jam: yeah, I know :-/ But clean full test suite first ;)
[17:59] <jam> anyone know the name of the app that pops up the 'enter your password for the keymanager' dialog?
[18:03] <GaryvdM> jam: what os is this on?
[18:03] <jam> GaryvdM: lucid
[18:03] <jam> I'm trying to file a bug
[18:03] <jam> the 'info' areas can take the cursor
[18:04] <jam> so if you click on the dialog to enter your password, it doesn't actually let you type
[18:04] <jam> until you click inside the edit box
[18:04] <jam> it has caught me a few times, seemed bug worthy
[18:05] <jam> I'll just file it in gnome-keyring
[18:35] <jam> jml: some questions about the codehosting stuff if you have time.
[18:36] <jam> I can find the code that starts the 'sftp' server, is that *also* the smart server code?
[18:36] <jam> The best I can find is registering the 'launch_smart_server' adapter
[18:36] <jam> but I have no clue where that actually gets invoked
[18:36] <jml> jam: you mean daemons/sftp.tac? that launches the SSH server which handles both, yes.
[18:36] <jam> jml: specifically I was looking at "make run_codehosting" which starts sftp, and tracks down...
[18:36] <jam> but thanks
[18:36] <jam> that gives me the general location
[18:37] <jml> jam: there's some code somewhere (ExecOnlySession) that makes an SSH session that allows exactly one thing: running commands
[18:37] <jam> jml: yep, I know that code, but I diddn't know what service calls that code
[18:37] <jml> jam: ahh right. it's registered as an adapter somehow, and then conch uses that when the SSH client asks for a session.
[18:37] <jam> the sftp code inherits from an Application that calls itself "sftponly"
[18:37] <jml> yeah, that's legacy, sadly.
[18:38] <jam> jml: I figured it was the only place that looked like it *could* be running it, but it certainly wasn't directly obvious :)
[18:38] <jml> because developers have no idea or control over how scripts are invoked in production, we are generally reluctant to rename them.
[18:48] <jam> jml: 'make run_codehosting' seems to invoke 'bin/run ... codebrowse' which in turn starts codebrowse via 'make run_codebrowse'. It then adds a "stop_at_exit(<make process>)".
[18:48] <jam> Does that mean when running codehosting *make* is actively running
[18:48] <jam> waiting on the exit of the loggerhead script?
[18:48] <jam> (It feels very odd to me that it indirects through make)
[18:49] <jam> (As I'm creating a new long-lived process, I'm trying to determine what the "correct" method is)
[18:49] <jml> I don't know why it indirects through make
[18:49] <jml> I didn't have anything to do with codebrowse.
[18:50] <jml> jam: someone on #launchpad-dev might know about that.
[18:55] <jml> jam: I've got to head out now. Good luck.
[18:55] <jam> np, thanks for your help jml
[19:15] <GaryvdM> mgz: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4494367/bzr-2.2.0-setup.exe
[19:15] <GaryvdM> Build of lp:~gz/bzr/setlocale_on_posix_only_631350
[19:51] <GaryvdM> For Bug 631350, I'm trying to test if the installer I built of mgz's branch fixes the the bug.
[19:51] <GaryvdM> But I can't paste the unicode into the console.
[19:51] <GaryvdM> When I try paste Тест, it comes out as ????
[19:52] <GaryvdM> Do I maybe have to change the console encoding? How?
[20:09] <HollyRain> when is used "bzr push <url>", where is stored the URL information?
[20:11] <maxb> HollyRain: In .bzr/branch/branch.conf
[20:11] <maxb> Use 'bzr info' to see it in friendly form
[20:11] <HollyRain> thanks
[20:11] <maxb> Use 'bzr push --remember' to update it without needing to edit the file manually
[20:18] <drumm> If I bzr join in something, is there a way to get that root back out so I don't have to remember where it came from for bzr merge .. ?
[21:34] <GaryvdM> :-( The windows installer specific bug are disheartening.
[21:34] <GaryvdM> *bugs
[21:51] <GaryvdM> jam: I'm done with the ec2 server. I don't know if you want to leave it on for bialix so that he can look at Bug 632465 or not.
[21:51] <GaryvdM> jam: Thanks
[21:51] <jam> GaryvdM: np, sorry to hear about the win32 installer stuff, but I'm *very* happy that it isn't me :)
[21:52] <GaryvdM> jam: All the issues seem to fallout from the python / pyqt upgrade...
[21:52] <jam> GaryvdM: I'm sure there are quite a few there, at least they aren't just plugin related :)
[22:33] <JoshBrown> I'm using qbzr and something seems to be converting my symlinked path into an incorrect expanded one:
[22:33] <JoshBrown> Run command: bzr merge ~/.bzr/snakes-game/tail-code --revision 27
[22:33] <JoshBrown> bzr: ERROR: Requested revision: u'27' does not exist in branch: BzrBranch7('file:///mnt/Home/Misc/Mine/Packages/Bazaar/snakes-game/trunk/')
[22:36] <GaryvdM> JoshBrown: I don't think that qbzr is affecting it. I think that if you ran  bzr merge ~/.bzr/snakes-game/tail-code --revision 27 from the terminal, you would get the same result.
[22:36] <maxb> JoshBrown: Can you tell us more about what branches are symlinked to what in your arrangement?
[22:37] <GaryvdM> JoshBrown: What is the output of ls -l ~/.bzr/snakes-game/
[22:38] <JoshBrown> maxb, GaryvdM: ~/.bzr → /mnt/Home/Misc/Mine/Packages/Bazaar
[22:38] <JoshBrown> maxb, GaryvdM: There are no other symlinks inside those subdirectories
[22:39] <maxb> So, um, why is it looking for the stated revnum in ..../trunk when you asked for it in ..../tail-code? :-(
[22:40] <GaryvdM> JoshBrown: what says bzr info ~/.bzr/snakes-game/tail-code
[22:41] <JoshBrown> Repository tree (format: 2a)
[22:41] <JoshBrown> Location:
[22:41] <JoshBrown>   shared repository: .bzr/snakes-game
[22:41] <JoshBrown>   repository branch: .bzr/snakes-game/tail-code
[22:42] <JoshBrown> bzr: ERROR: Parent not accessible given base "file:///home/josh/.bzr/snakes-game/tail-code/" and relative path "../../../../../../../../home/josh/.bzr/snakes-game/trunk/"
[22:43] <JoshBrown> maxb, GaryvdM: It works fine if I give it an exact filepath (i.e. '/mnt/Home/Misc/Mine/Packages/Bazaar/snakes-game/tail-code')
[22:44] <maxb> JoshBrown: Do you have a traceback in ~/.bzr.log corresponding to your original "Requested revision ... does not exist" ?
[22:46] <JoshBrown> maxb: No...
[22:46] <maxb> oh
[22:47] <maxb> I don't suppose executing 'bzr merge -Derror  ~/.bzr/snakes-game/tail-code --revision 27' produces one?
[22:48] <JoshBrown> If it helps, I actually have multiple layers of symlinks: ~/.bzr → ~/.pkg/Bazaar & ~/.pkg → /home/josh/Home/Misc/Mine/Packages
[22:49] <JoshBrown> maxb: It's already merged using an exact filepath, but I can setup a new branch to test it if you want
[22:49] <GaryvdM> Good night all - I have to wake early tomorrow...
[22:50] <maxb> JoshBrown: Well, if you have time, info that leads to finding bugs is always good
[22:56] <Buttons840> when viewing the bzr logs, there is a "branch nick" listed, this appears to default to the name of the folder your working from (forgive my terminology); is there a way to change this branch nick?
[22:56] <dash> bzr nick super-awesome-branch
[22:58] <Buttons840> are the effects retroactive on old logs?  (i'm about to tias, but if anyone wants to answer anyways)
[22:58] <maxb> No, bzr revisions are always immutable once committed
[22:58] <dash> pretty much nothing is retroactive on previous commits
[22:58] <maxb> s/pretty much //  :-)
[22:59] <dash> maxb: well 'uncommit' provides a convincing appearance. :)
[22:59] <Buttons840> is uncommit really just another commit?
[22:59] <dash> it just changes what the tip revision is
[23:00] <maxb> i.e. "these revisions may still exist on your disk, but we're ignoring the fact they once existed in this branch"
[23:12] <JoshBrown> maxb: I think this is a qbzr issue since everything works fine using plain bzr
[23:12] <maxb> that seems rather odd. Possible, but odd
[23:21] <JoshBrown> maxb: Yeah, maybe it's something to do with canonicalization of links or something like that. Anyway I'm off for now, I'll check the differences between the commands I'm running and the ones qbzr is running tomorrow. Bye, and thanks for the help!
[23:53] <ayan> how do you get a list of available branches?  i'm looking for the eqivalent to "git branch -la"
[23:55] <dash> ayan: available where?
[23:56] <ayan> available in a cloned repository.
[23:56] <dash> ayan: 'ls'
[23:57] <ayan> ah!  thank you.
[23:57] <ayan> hm.
[23:59] <ayan> hmm... maybe i should rtfm harder.
[23:59] <dash> ayan: what's wrong?
[23:59] <fullermd> And you don't clone repositories, you clone branches.  So there's not much to list  ;)


[09:44] <gnomefreak> asac: did we work out bug 227945?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> asac: you asked for a list of extensions that were ready, at this time i only have list of mine but i need a list of the ones you added .bzr-builddeb/default.conf so i can fix the rest of them
[10:10] <gnomefreak> WTH is private browsing, and how do i use it
[10:19] <gnomefreak> !info libnspr4-dev intrepid
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ^^ fails to install
[10:20] <gnomefreak> !info kompozer-dev
[10:33]  * gnomefreak getting sick of extension check from FF-3.2 everytime i open Firefox
[10:54] <gnomefreak> not doing this today but im gonna grab info from some teams reposnses and update our page. also update our bugs page while im at it. but dont look for this until close to end of Jan.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> the extension check only happens when clicking a link, if i start it from launcher it doesnt show up evverytime
[11:16] <gnomefreak> i take that back it happens from launcher as well
[17:27] <asac> Jazzva: did you get an info from archive admins about bugmail-extension?
[17:28] <asac> debian bug 507455
[17:42] <Jazzva> asac: yes. I already e-mailed upstream to ask about license file, but still no answer.
[17:42] <Jazzva> (e-mail was sent few days ago)
[17:44] <Jazzva> hmm... actually, I haven't mailed him yet. Dunno why I thought I did. I'll send him e-mail now...
[17:49] <asac> Jazzva: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470945
[17:49] <asac> just filed
[17:49] <asac> lets see
[17:49] <Jazzva> i hope it will work :)
[17:50] <Jazzva> asac: would it help if I add a comment that I fully support the request?
[17:55] <asac> Jazzva: not sure ... at best CC yourself and let me know in case they ask something ;)
[17:55] <asac> i should read that within 2 days usually ... but who knows ;)
[17:55] <Jazzva> k


[10:27] <AlanBell> I think a UDS session on the accessible installer would be good
[22:37] <AlanBell> wednesday 16:15 https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y