[10:11] <ttkeppi> happy to help
[10:14] <topyli> hmm startup-manager never asked for a password. i don't think it actually did any changes
[10:15] <topyli> if it did, i'm worried :)
[10:15] <ttkeppi> it asked from me.. it might be that your sudo login hasn't been expired, and that was the reason it didnt ask for pw
[10:16] <topyli> ttkeppi: oh of course, since i just used synaptic a few seconds before that :)
[10:16] <topyli> usplash.conf does have my preferred resolution now. thanks for the tip :)
[10:17] <ttkeppi> happy to help :)
[10:18] <vistakiller> jockey tool in kubuntu is still break
[10:40] <darx> hi when I try to install 'kjscmd' under kubuntu+1, quite a few packages are being marked for removal. can someone confirm this pleaser
[10:40] <darx> kubuntu hardy that is
[10:40] <darx> :P
[10:40] <darx> anybody home?
[10:41] <jblack>  darx: Did you look at it under aptitude?
[10:41] <darx> yup
[10:41] <jblack> It has no conflicts.
[10:42] <darx> what should i do to check that?
[10:43] <jblack> start up aptitude, find kjscmd, and press d
[10:45] <jblack> It's possible that kjscmd depends upon a version of a library that is older or newer than what other software you have needs, leaving you with an either/or type situation
[10:45] <darx> hmm
[10:49] <darx> I can't find it under aptitude, there are too many.
[10:49] <darx> is there a command line version of the same check?
[10:49] <Ng> it may just be that the archive is inconsistent at the moment because something else hasn't built yet
[10:50] <Flannel> darx: What sort of packages are being removed?
[10:51] <darx> http://pastebin.com/d81d527d
[10:52] <darx> thats via aptitude. but when I try via the add-remove utility, many more are being marked for removal. I'm on kubuntu kde 3.5.9
[10:53] <ttkeppi> if i download hardy beta now, will it have the bugfixes in it that has come out in the last month or so?
[10:54] <Flannel> darx: That package is a KDE4 package, so its going to depend on KDE4 libs, which I believe is what is causing your issues
[10:54] <Lamego> ttkeppi, yes
[10:54] <darx> it also says that kde4libs-bin is broken
[10:54] <darx> is it safe to allow aptitude to continue?
[10:54] <ttkeppi> Lamego: splendid, thnx
[10:54] <darx> Flanne: ^^
[10:55] <Flannel> darx: Er, maybe not.  But, thats what it appears to be doing.  I'd ask in #kubuntu(-kde4?), but as for command line 'checking', apt-cache policy [package] will show candidates (different versions), and apt-cache show [package] and apt-cache showpkg [package]
[10:56] <GunbladeIV> anyone?
[10:56] <Lamego> !anyone
[10:56] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:56] <Flannel> darx: I'd ask the kubuntu people.  Assuming youve gotten this way through normal repository usage, this is somewhat bug-related, and they may know about it (and have a fix) or at least, need to know about it.  I'm not familiar enough with the KDE 3 vs 4 thing right now to be able to say for sure what your best course of action is.
[10:57] <GunbladeIV> i just upgrade my kernel to 2.6.24-16-generic.. and just config my b43.. so far it can connect to AP, but the problem is.. i have rubbish interface such as "wmaster0" and my wlan0 rate == 1MB
[10:57] <GunbladeIV> how can i solve this quest?
[10:58] <savvas> GunbladeIV: by adding some useful info about your wireless card
[10:59] <savvas> unless you're talking about the b43 driver?
[10:59] <GunbladeIV> savvas: such as? i'm using bcm4318(b43) driver. and so far no problem in connecting with WEP AP .. but i got weird interface when i do "ifconfig" ---> wmaster0 appear in the middle of nowhere
[10:59] <GunbladeIV> savvas: yup
[11:01] <GunbladeIV> savvas: i'm talking about b43 driver
[11:01] <savvas> GunbladeIV: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko
[11:02] <GunbladeIV> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-11 00:52 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko
[11:02] <savvas> have you tried reporting a bug?
[11:02] <GunbladeIV> nope
[11:03] <GunbladeIV> let me paste the output for iwconfig and ifconfig
[11:03] <GunbladeIV> can i?
[11:03] <savvas> sure, www.pastebin.ca :)
[11:03] <GunbladeIV> savvas: now i see..
[11:04] <GunbladeIV> savvas: somehow. iwconfig did tell me that my rate is 48MB.. but nm-applet tell 1MB
[11:04] <GunbladeIV> so i think the problem is with nm-applet
[11:04] <GunbladeIV> dont bother about that issue.. now proceed to wmaster0 interface
[11:05] <wesmo> anyone know wht time hardy rc hits the servers???
[11:05] <savvas> wesmo: yeah, tomorrow from 00-24h :P
[11:06] <GunbladeIV> savvas: http://pastebin.com/m6a2daab1
[11:06] <wesmo> it says on the hardy release sched its meant to be the start of the day UTC time
[11:08] <savvas> GunbladeIV: does it make any problems if it has wmaster0?
[11:08] <GunbladeIV> savvas: nope. just wonder if it can be remove
[11:09] <savvas> GunbladeIV: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=697807
[11:10] <swuboo> wesmo:  I think that's the cutoff for getting new patches into... nevermind.
[11:10] <savvas> and http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Knownissues
[11:12] <GunbladeIV> savvas: thanks.. that should answer my question
[11:12] <GunbladeIV> huhu..
[11:12] <savvas> GunbladeIV: hopefully the answer is no :)
[11:12] <GunbladeIV> yup
[11:12] <GunbladeIV> haha
[11:13] <GunbladeIV> they will work that matters soon.. hide wmaster0 from users
[11:13] <GunbladeIV> hehe
[11:13] <GunbladeIV> thanks dude.. seem like i can change to fully configured bcm43xx at anytime ...
[11:14] <Keithamus> ikonia, you there?
[11:16] <ccooke> out of interest... did the plans for a new theme in hardy peter out, or are we still expecting some changes?
[11:16] <swuboo> ccooke:  There is a new theme.
[11:17] <ccooke> swuboo: really? when will we see it?
[11:17] <Keithamus> ccooke, murrine is the new theme. but i think they're still trying for a new one.
[11:17] <Keithamus> you can see it in beta
[11:17] <swuboo> ccooke:  It's, um... Ubuntu.  Frankly, it didn't seem all that different to me.
[11:17] <Keithamus> or, aptitude install murrine-human
[11:17] <wilbert> hardware info doesn't excist anymore in hardy?
[11:18] <wilbert> the program hardware info isn't there anymore
[11:18] <Keithamus> wilbert, no, not for me either.
[11:19] <ccooke> ah
[11:19] <ccooke> there were supposed to be plans for a load of changes.
[11:19] <ccooke> This appears to be... well... new wallpaper and a new login background. Both of which are nice, mind. Just dissapointing.
[11:19] <Keithamus> yeah ccooke, but the ubuntu-art team have no direction and eventually made the excuse that it takes longer than 6 months to make a solid theme for an LTS distro
[11:19] <swuboo> ccooke:  I wouldn't know.  Bear in mind that there's a new version of GNOME, which implies a number of differences by itself.
[11:20] <Keithamus> so they just rejigged Murrine a little bit for this one.
[11:20] <wilbert> Keithamus: do u or do u not have the program hardware info
[11:20] <Keithamus> wilbert, i don't
[11:20] <swuboo> wilbert:  He does not.
[11:20] <wilbert> aah, then we dont have it :)  lol
[11:20] <Keithamus> yeah :D
[11:21] <ccooke> swuboo: yes, but we get that 'for free'
[11:21] <wilbert> pitty doh
[11:21] <ccooke> swuboo: I mean... time passes, new Gnome. :-)
[11:22] <Keithamus> ccooke, afaik ibex is going to have a new theme, which they'll have a year to make ready for LTS.
[11:22] <swuboo> ccooke:  One could say the same things about new versions of the Human theme.
[11:22] <swuboo> It's like clockwork:  Every six months, a slightly new shade of burnt umber.
[11:22] <Keithamus> lol
[11:22] <ccooke> I guess... The problem is that Ubuntu is getting into the habit of promising wonderful things and then delivering merely impressive stuff :-)
[11:22] <Keithamus> be thankful ubuntu has the best wallpaper of all operating systems!
[11:23] <wilbert> black
[11:23] <ccooke> swuboo: yeah. but *this* time, they promised something different... and failed to deliver.
[11:23] <swuboo> Keithamus:  Yes, no other OS has a wallpaper that says, "The distribution's mascot is on fire!  Quick, put it out!" quite like Hardy's.
[11:23] <Keithamus> LOL
[11:24] <wilbert> i have a lovely she in my background
[11:24] <Keithamus> there is one sans the bird.
[11:24] <ccooke> (like the whole "3d desktop!" thing was a year late (and through no fault of Ubuntu - what with the compiz/beryl merger and the general instability...)
[11:24] <swuboo> ccooke:  I suppose that's true; I never really pay attention to anything but the packages, myself.  I like to turn my GUI slate grey with blues and whites.
[11:25] <savvas> i hope they fix my resolution problem for the login screen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/150938
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150938 in human-theme "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:25] <Keithamus> its a bit annoying that kde4 comes out, with a beautiful new theme, and GNOME/Ubuntu say "the smaller updates is where it counts"
[11:25] <wilbert> ccooke, i come from the dark side of the os, named windows, i find ubuntu still 1000% in any way then win
[11:27] <wilbert> i dont even have windows anymore
[11:27] <swuboo> I do.  Wine just doesn't cut it sometimes.
[11:28] <wilbert> i cant imagine where i need windows for
[11:28] <ccooke> wilbert: yeah, I'm not exactly complaining - just explaining why I'm dissapointed
[11:28] <ccooke> (and dissapointment is inevitable when Thing1 is promised, but Thing0.5 is delivered :-
[11:28] <ccooke> )
[11:28] <swuboo> Need it?  Nothing; I can't think of a single thing other than gaming that isn't far and away better in Ubuntu.
[11:28] <wilbert> hear hear
[11:29] <Keithamus> photoshop
[11:29] <wilbert> we have gimp
[11:29] <Keithamus> no
[11:29] <Ciantic> Any fixes to the scrolling bug in Ubuntu+1? described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=708928&page=2
[11:29] <Keithamus> sorry, doesn't cut it nearly as close.
[11:29] <nonewmsgs> Keithamus: google just gave wine several million dollars to WINE have photosho work under it
[11:29] <swuboo> Keithamus: Photoshop just isn't something that matters to me.
[11:29] <wilbert> for me it does
[11:29] <Ciantic> the scrolling bug renders ubuntu+1 useless to me for now
[11:30] <wilbert> chow time here guy's
[11:30] <Keithamus> nonewmsgs, i know, and cs2 works ok through it.
[11:30] <Keithamus> but illustrator, indesign, flash, etc, work like crap.
[11:30] <ccooke> hmm
[11:30] <Keithamus> scribus, inkscape are all good, but do not compare unfortunatley
[11:31] <swuboo> Keithamus:  It's hard to argue with the LaTeX support, though.
[11:31] <ccooke> Come to think of it, should I submit a bug report of that? I mean, there is certainly *precedent* for submitting 'social' bug reports
[11:31] <Keithamus> from a programmers perspective.
[11:31] <jblack> Ciantic: Looks like that bug has a well described fix?
[11:31] <Ciantic> jblack, indeed, but it is so serious it should appear to ubuntu repository itself
[11:33] <swuboo> Keithamus:  Still, other than games, nothing that I personally require or want works better in Windows.
[11:33] <Keithamus> yeah
[11:33] <Keithamus> for the average user ubuntu > windows.
[11:34] <Keithamus> for designers/gamers unfortunatley its a mixed bag
[11:34] <jblack> Ciantic: Well, I can't quite see things your way.... I suppose though that you can submit a patch to the package which will resolve the problem.
[11:35] <swuboo> Keithamus:  Works wonderfully for academic work in the humanities; I can't even imagine what a nightmare trying to maintain a texlive install in Windows would be like.
[11:35] <nonewmsgs> i converted my designer and gamer friend and he love ubuntu and just dual boots
[11:35] <Ciantic> jblack, you don't see it? This can't be "not seen" it freaking almost kills the whole browser when more than a few checkboxes appear on screen
[11:36] <Keithamus> does anyone have any luck with realtek gigabit ethernet hardwares?
[11:36] <swuboo> Keithamus:  Um... I think my onboard NIC might be realtek, if that helps you.
[11:36] <Ciantic> It can be demonstrated easily with resizing browsers o that they disappear, and soon as they appear again the browser is in hal
[11:36] <jblack> No, I can't, for two reasons. Firstly, it doesn't affect me. Secondly, there's an easy workaround.
[11:36] <Ciantic> *halt
[11:36] <Keithamus> does it work swuboo?
[11:36] <swuboo> Keithamus:  If you can read this sentence, I would imagine so.
[11:36] <Ciantic> jblack, do you even have a page where is checkboxes enough to try scrolling?
[11:37] <jblack> how many?
[11:37] <Ciantic> about one per row
[11:37] <Ciantic> let me make a example html page
[11:38] <swuboo> Keithamus:  Nope, checking the mobo specs, only the sound is Realtek, I'm afraid.  Sorry.
[11:38] <jblack> Let me get this right....
[11:38] <Keithamus> i am having no end of problems with a realtek R8111C lan chipset
[11:38] <Keithamus> honestly, wireless would work better!
[11:38] <jblack> A bug that affects some web pages, on some browsers, on some computers... that's a life and death situation.
[11:38] <swuboo> Clantic, jblack:  I've found that scrolling up in gnome-system-monitor is kind of fubared for me.
[11:39] <jblack> As contrasted to.... Say the fact that any Xen system that upgrades from gutsy to hardy is going to find itself without networking.
[11:39] <Ciantic> jblack, this bug is specific enough, those people commenting on thread are *offtopic*
[11:39] <swuboo> Clantic:  If you give me a webpage to load that demonstrates your bug, I'll tell you how it looks.
[11:40] <jblack> If I'm wrong about the importance of it, then I encourage you to submit a patch against the package. =)
[11:40] <Ciantic> yes yes, I'm working on the demonstration page
[11:40] <swuboo> Ciantic:  If the problem is pervasive enough that you're this worried about it, surely you can name an existing page offhand?
[11:41]  * jblack thinks its telling that you have to make a demostration page, rather than point at a real world example
[11:41] <Ciantic> swuboo, Gmail inbox view
[11:41] <Ciantic> it is unusable when tried to scroll
[11:41] <nonewmsgs> that display manager is horrible....it doesnt have my moniter and although i can change the resolution the horizontal/vertical refresh rates are atrocious.  is there any way to change them manually there or do i have to use xorg.conf
[11:41] <swuboo> Ciantic:  Gmail displays completely normally for me.
[11:41] <savvas> they fixed the "cracked" titlebar issue :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/99508/comments/114
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:43] <swuboo> I've found so far that all my problems (and they were pretty severe) with FF3b5 in Hardy were solved by ditching ~/.mozilla
[11:45] <jblack>  His fix is adding a single line to xorg.conf, for xaa.
[11:45] <jblack> which implies to me that it's compiz related.
[11:46] <jblack> Ciantic: Where's that page you promised?
[11:46] <nonewmsgs> also my nvidia ethernet wired conection seems offline
[11:47] <Ciantic> jblack, I'm trying to reproduce it, naive list of checkboxes didn't do, but it is checkbox related for sure
[11:47] <jblack> uh-huh
[11:47] <Ciantic> since resizing gmail window the way that checkboxes disappear works normally
[11:48] <jblack> Wait...
[11:49] <jblack> So... a specific desktop setup, a specific browser, and a specific page?
[11:49] <jblack> So you have a problem with .000005% of the internet, and it's "so serious" ?
[11:49] <jblack> Did you even try another browser?
[11:49] <Ciantic> jblack, I don't think so, I bet it affects *all* checkboxes at some level
[11:49] <KEBA> ive a problem: i updated firefox... no there come ever in the notification area "Firefox-3.0 restart required
[11:49] <KEBA> Firefox-3.0 has been upgraded (or reinstalled) and must be restarted. Please quit and restart your web browser now.
[11:49] <KEBA> " so i restarted firefox, nothing happend, even if i restart the pc nothihng happend, what to do?
[11:49] <Keithamus> Can someone help me figure out how to fix this please: http://pastebin.com/m3c80fe4e
[11:50] <Ciantic> jblack, I tried it on windows
[11:50] <Keithamus> it says after that "No rule to make target /src/MakeFile. Stop" then lots of "Error 2"
[11:51] <jblack> Keithamus: Run it like this:. "sudo bash" then "make clean; make modules; make install"
[11:51] <Keithamus> some more errors.
[11:52] <jblack> Keithamus: By the way, are you aware of module-assistant?
[11:52] <Keithamus> no
[11:52] <jblack> I don't know where you got that module from, but if it's from the repo, then look at module-assistant. Makes life easy
[11:53] <Keithamus> its not from the repo, its from this forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=725522
[11:53] <Keithamus> but the problem is, I can't connect to the internet on the PC which Im compiling it on
[11:53] <jblack> ndis?
[11:53] <Keithamus> should it need it, its just a lan driver?
[11:54] <Keithamus> im trying to do the instructions on post#2 btw.
[11:54] <jblack> since when do realtek drivers need ndis?
[11:54] <Keithamus> no idea
[11:56] <savvas> i have a realtek ethernet and it works
[11:57] <savvas> nm-applet says r8169
[11:57] <Keithamus> what are you running on?
[11:58] <savvas> hardy
[11:58] <Keithamus> mines RLT8111c/8168B
[11:58] <Dr_willis> This is a wireless realtek card?
[11:58] <bullgard4> Can you recommend a comprehensive listing of the Gutsy changes towards Feisty?
[11:59] <Keithamus> no, wired.
[11:59] <Keithamus> gigabit eth
[11:59] <Keithamus> on a p5k-vm
[11:59] <savvas>        product: MS-7235
[11:59] <savvas>        vendor: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD
[12:00] <savvas>                 product: RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet
[12:00] <savvas>                 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[12:00] <savvas> Keithamus: post this on www.pastebin.ca: sudo lshw
[12:02] <Dr_willis> the pastebinit command is worth installing. :)
[12:03] <Dr_willis> then you could do a lshw | pastebinit and just give us the url it tells you
[12:04] <Keithamus> http://pastebin.com/m57dd1196
[12:04] <savvas> you need sudo for that command, it hides some info i think
[12:04] <Keithamus> Dr_willis, not without internet ;)
[12:05]  * Dr_willis pokes Keithamus  in the hypothalamus with a spork.
[12:05] <Dr_willis> :P
[12:05] <Keithamus> ow!
[12:05] <Sergeant_Pony> morning
[12:05] <KEBA> cant anybody help me
[12:05] <savvas> #
[12:05] <savvas>                 product: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
[12:05] <savvas> #
[12:05] <savvas>                 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[12:05] <savvas> woops
[12:08] <Oli``> Is it possible to run a command when I press the power button instead of it running soft-off?
[12:09] <jblack> Yes. Look at /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[12:09] <Oli``> oooo thank you jblack, i shall
[12:09] <jblack> I wouldn't doubt that there's a way to override that script rather than editing it directly
[12:10] <savvas> Keithamus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86798
[12:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86798 in linux-source-2.6.22 "r8169 driver does not detect link" [Unknown,Fix released]
[12:10] <Keithamus> savvas, thats not my problem however5.
[12:10] <Keithamus> -5
[12:11] <Keithamus> mine can ping other clients on the lan, just not the router/internet
[12:11] <swuboo> jblack:  Yes, there is---but the applet only offers a few set options, not the ability to run custom commands.
[12:11] <jblack> I mean within the system's scripts, not within gnome.
[12:12] <swuboo> jblack:  I retract my statement.
[12:12] <Dr_willis> move soft-off to some other name. and make a script called soft-off that does what you want? :)
[12:12] <Keithamus> btw im on hardy  beta, 2.6.24-12
[12:12] <savvas> Keithamus: consider updating :p
[12:12] <Keithamus> I can't without the internet!
[12:13] <Dr_willis> download the internet to cd!
[12:13] <swuboo> Dr_willis:  I'm sort of tempted to replace soft-off with a script that plays zombie quotes from System Shock 2.
[12:13] <savvas> Keithamus: download an daily alternate cd  :)
[12:13] <Keithamus> where from?
[12:13] <swuboo> Dr_Willis:  "Hey, swuboo, I'm rebooting your computer, okay?"  "REBIRTH IN OUR NEW FLESH" "What the Hell?"
[12:14] <blizzkid> lo all, anyone succesful in getting atheros 5007eg working in hardy without using ndiswrapper?
[12:14] <savvas> Keithamus: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20080416/
[12:14] <Keithamus> do i just slam it in, do an apt-cdrom and update?
[12:14] <savvas> Keithamus: i think so
[12:15] <savvas> it prompts you by itself when you slam in the cd :p
[12:15] <Dr_willis> that can work with the alternatve-installer cd.. Not the desktop cd.. I belive
[12:15] <Keithamus> i dont get it, i can ping every single working computer on the network - just not the router, and I cant get on the net.
[12:16] <savvas> Keithamus: why did you say you don't have the bug from the launchpad link? i didn't read much, but it didn't specify anywhere that it can ping other clients, did it?
[12:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Linux anime mascots.. how amuseing  http://hehe2.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/anime-linux-distros.png
[12:17] <bullgard4> Can you recommend a comprehensive listing of the Gutsy changes towards Hardy
[12:17] <Keithamus> no
[12:17] <Keithamus> plus it said that no network was detected until unload/reload
[12:17] <Keithamus> mine detects the network fine
[12:19] <savvas> bullgard4: www.ubuntu.com/test
[12:19] <savvas> sorry http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[12:19] <gregory> blizzkid: atheros ath5k is now included in kernel 2.6.25. you might take another distro, which is focused on the latest kernel. i am not sure if hardy - 10 days until release aprox - will switch to 2.6.25. you might have a look at sidux f.e.
[12:20] <blizzkid> gregory, ath5k does not support pcie afaik, I've tested with Fedora 9, but to no avail
[12:20] <savvas> Keithamus: maybe your network router address isn't detected? have you tried setting it manually?
[12:21] <bullgard4> savvas: Thank you.
[12:21] <savvas> n/p bull :)
[12:21] <alexandre> Hi ! the release candate should be out today, right ?
[12:22] <bullgard4> alexandre: Tomorrow, as far as I know.
[12:22] <savvas> tomorrow alexandre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html
[12:23] <alexandre> savvas / bullgard4: Ok thx a lot !
[12:24] <alexandre> I 've got a install to make on a new laptop for somebody not familiar with computer or Windows. > so direct to Ubuntu lol
[12:28] <bXi> hi
[12:29] <Dr_willis> !hi
[12:29] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[12:32] <Perun> hi all
[12:32] <SeanyD> hello I just installed kubuntu 8.04 on my toshiba a75 laptop
[12:32] <Perun> what I kernel should I use for hh in a domU (xen)?
[12:33] <SeanyD> it was working fine for a day or so, but when I went to restart the session today because I had forgotten the uid password, so I wanted to boot from live cd
[12:34] <SeanyD> on the shut down, it said something about media drive failure
[12:34] <SeanyD> now, I can't even turn my laptop on
[12:34] <SeanyD> the power button goes on and then off after 2 secs
[12:34] <SeanyD> any help?
[12:35] <bazhang> SeanyD: how old is this laptop
[12:35] <SeanyD> ~2 yrs
[12:35] <bazhang> powering on with the ac or off the battery SeanyD
[12:36] <SeanyD> plugged into ac
[12:36] <Dr_willis> I would remove the battery abnd try the ac adaptor only. (had an issue like this ages ago)
[12:37] <bazhang> SeanyD: that would be my advice too; I have a thinkpad that will choke when I use the (now defunct) battery; total lockups etc
[12:37] <SeanyD> wow I'm an idiot
[12:37] <SeanyD> yeah the brick wasn't connected fully
[12:38] <SeanyD> well thanks guys- if nothing else I'm glad tat it wasnt a big situation
[12:38] <Dr_willis> been there, done that..
[12:38] <bazhang> SeanyD: that is a big relief
[12:38] <Dr_willis> dog chewed my cable in half once... :)
[12:39] <SeanyD> cool, well now that I'm not stressin I gotta go take a shower & get ready for work
[12:39] <bazhang> I had some neighbors that spent two hours trying to get their eeepc online (via wifi) without a wifi hotspot ;]
[12:39] <SeanyD> prob trying to connect to a closed netwok, right?
[12:39] <SeanyD> I love my EEE
[12:40] <SeanyD> peace yall
[12:40] <bazhang> no network at all ;] (true story)
[12:41] <recon69> anyone else getting Rhythmbox starting paused when you open several tracks from the file browser ?
[12:45] <recon69> guess it's just me then
[12:48] <DarkMageZ> recon69, feel proud? you managed to kill the whole channel :P
[12:48] <moya> I don't have /etc/bash_completion in hardy, how can I have it again ?
[12:50] <recon69> DarkMageZ: lol, going to check the bug tracker and post it as a bug.
[12:52] <DarkMageZ> recon69, if you're quick enough, you might be able to talk to the rhythmbox dev's directly about it. in irc.gnome.org #rhythmbox . it's nearing their sleeping time.
[12:52] <savvas> moya: sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[12:52] <nemo> savvas: really!
[12:52] <nemo> $ dpkg -S /etc/bash_completion
[12:52] <nemo> bash: /etc/bash_completion
[12:52] <nemo> odd
[12:53] <moya> savvas: btw, I have accustomed myself to use aptitude, does apt-get nowadays supports the concept of automatic package like aptitude does ?
[12:54] <savvas> moya: you can use aptitude, it's the same thing, but a lot of people say aptitude handles dependencies better/safer
[12:55] <savvas> nemo: apt-cache policy bash-completion | grep Installed
[12:56] <savvas> they added it in the meta packages i think, rc should include it
[12:57] <savvas> Reverse Depends: ubuntu-standard bash
[12:57] <savvas> :)
[12:58] <nemo> ah
[13:12] <traveller> hi,i'm using hardy with kde but cannot install nvidia driver, i tried envyng but had not luck. moreorever it seems i'm missing the hardware manager
[13:12] <traveller> i reiinstalles restricted-manager-kde but nothing changed
[13:12] <traveller> could u help?
[13:14] <IdleOne> traveller: using envy may have caused more harm then good
[13:14] <IdleOne> !nvidia | traveller
[13:14] <ubotu> traveller: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:16] <traveller> the thing is y i dont have the hardware manager. Is the hardware manager only for restricted drives or for the whole pc
[13:17] <IdleOne> !info clamav hardy
[13:17] <ubotu> clamav (source: clamav): anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.1~dfsg2-0.1 (hardy), package size 873 kB, installed size 1336 kB
[13:18] <IdleOne> traveller: I would think it is for all hardware that use restricted drivers
[13:21] <traveller> r u using  kde?
[13:24] <binogure> hello people
[13:24] <IdleOne> traveller: no gnome here
[13:24] <IdleOne> traveller: tried asking in #kubuntu?
[13:25] <hydroboy> how long till the release candidate is up?
[13:26] <IdleOne> !release
[13:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:27] <holzmodem> hi, after upgrading to firefox 3 beta5, firebug stop working,.. is there a solution for this problem?
[13:27] <binogure> can i ask a question about wine here ?
[13:27] <binogure> because on wine channel, i have not got any answer :'(
[13:27] <IdleOne> hydroboy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta check here
[13:28] <Derspankster> holzmodem: not until the extension is updated for FF3
[13:28] <IdleOne> firebug is an addon? re-install it
[13:28] <hydroboy> IdleOne: the rc has been pushed back a day apparently, found it in the logs, cheers.  (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html)
[13:29] <binogure> i have installed Hardy (GNOME Ubuntu AD 64 ATI RS485) and the last release of wine (9,59 for amd 64). I can play Counter strike (steam), but i cannot play another game named PerfectWorld (F2P MMORPG)
[13:29] <Derspankster> hydroboy; yes, heard that yesterday
[13:29] <binogure> When i launch it, i have a black screen, and i cannot do anything ... :'(
[13:29] <traveller> no, not yet because kubuntu is for the stable release
[13:31] <suriro> holzmodem: get 1.1 beta from http://www.getfirebug.com/
[13:32] <traveller> could u tell me how i can add multiple entries to aptitude install?
[13:34] <hcoal> when shutting down, Ubuntu doesn't actually switch off at the end, it just stays on the Ubuntu splash screen and I have to switch the PC off by the switch.  Restarting works fine, could this be a power managenet setting in my bios?
[13:34] <holzmodem> suriro, i have the 1.1
[13:35] <holzmodem> Derevko, 1.1 is available for ff3
[13:37] <suriro> holzmodem: try 1.2 alpha then .. http://www.getfirebug.com/releases/index.html
[13:38] <nDuff> hcoal, how old is your system? Does it use ACPI or APM?
[13:43] <suriro> is there some sort of filtering in this channel? People seem to respond to messages that I cannot see.
[13:45] <hcoal> nDuff: It's a Dell, less than a year old.  I think it is ACPI.
[13:45] <swuboo> suriro:  Not that I'm aware of; however, conversations can be spread out over quite a while, so that might be it.
[13:45] <topyli_> hörh. suddenly my laptop lost the ability to run compiz
[13:45] <topyli_> metacity compositing works fine :O
[13:45] <swuboo> topyli:  hörh?
[13:46] <topyli_> swuboo: hörh is an ancient african word meaning "i am amused and puzzled at once"
[13:47] <swuboo> topyli:  I shall attempt to use it in conversation on a regular basis.
[13:47] <topyli_> swuboo: will certainly improve your social status
[13:48] <swuboo> topyli:  Indeed.  Nothing says, "I am an elegant and well educated individual" like the sound of an American trying to pronounce an umlaut.
[13:48] <topyli_> an african umlaut at that!
[13:48] <suriro> swuboo: has Derevko said sth about holzmodem's issue? I did not see it..
[13:49] <swuboo> suriro:  I don't know, honestly.
[13:50] <swuboo> Well, goodbye.  I'm off to go impress my friends and acquaintances with my newfound knowledge of unpronounceable interjections from non-existant languages!
[13:54] <nDuff> hcoal, ...and is ACPI acknowledged by the OS? (ie. does /proc/acpi/info show something fairly current)?
[13:54] <recon69> well that bug report went down like a lead brick
[13:54] <Derspankster> swuboo: I am already impressed
[13:55] <Alan> What is the "correct" new way to tell Ubuntu your monitor size?
[13:56] <Alan> the Screens and Graphics dialog is useful, but has no effect on anything.
[13:56] <savvas> anyone using scribd or wordpress 2.5 and amd64? checkout bug #218635 and confirm if possible
[13:57] <savvas> Seveas: 14:57:09 <ubotu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[13:57] <Alan> what the hell... and trying to open the gdm manager results in infinite disk activity.
[13:57] <savvas> bug 218635
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218635 in nspluginwrapper "firefox - red x icons in upload dialogs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218635
[13:58] <savvas> ah goody :P
[14:02] <wastrel> i am good at umlauts
[14:02] <wastrel> for german anyway
[14:02] <Prefix> how do I install font files?
[14:03] <Arelis> Is the Release Candidate secretly released already?
[14:03] <WaZ`> Prefix: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[14:04] <WaZ`> Prefix: if that is what you mean
[14:04] <gregory> Arelis: #ubuntu-testing
[14:04] <Prefix> I mean that I have a font file, and i want to install it.
[14:04] <Arelis> gregory: what's "testing" about it?
[14:05] <gregory> Arelis: read channel topic ;-)
[14:06] <AzaTht> trying to find how to get my broadcom 43xx working in hardy, any ideas?
[14:07] <gregory> !broadcom | AzaTht
[14:07] <ubotu> AzaTht: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[14:08] <AzaTht> gregory: true, but the page for hardy is not written, and the page for gutsy tells the driver has been deprecated
[14:08] <gregory> AzaTht: i just noticed, sorry, i mixed the channels
[14:08] <AzaTht> hehe
[14:09] <AzaTht-laptop> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
[14:09] <AzaTht> that's the one I'm trying to use
[14:09] <AzaTht> but I have pretty much no idea how to do it
[14:10] <recon69> can someone try open a mp3 file in rhythmbox by right-clicking on the file in a file browser and selecting "open with->open with rhythm box music player" and tell me if it plays the right file?
[14:10] <Derspankster> AzaTht-laptop: B43 doesn't work?
[14:10] <AzaTht> Derspankster: hmm
[14:10] <ChaosParser> AzaTht: B43 project. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[14:12] <AzaTht> ChaosParser: they don't explicit say they support 4328
[14:12] <AzaTht> having a tx1270eo thingi
[14:13] <antbee> Anyone tried the UFW firewall. Does not seem to work on my system. If I put in default deny, traffic still gets through. If I add deny port 80 to check, I can still get to webpages. Status shows UFW as loaded.
[14:13] <AzaTht> perhaps I have to try ndiswrapper
[14:14] <Derspankster> AzaTht: always an option. I used it pre-Hardy with my 4318
[14:15] <recon69> lol, no one has a mp3 file , rhythmbox  and 60 seconds to try and see if it can open a file by right clicking it.
[14:15] <AzaTht> I'm pretty newbie in wlan in combo with linux
[14:15] <AzaTht> have never had reason to use wlan before ツ
[14:16] <Derspankster> AzaTht; have you tried B43?
[14:17] <AzaTht> Derspankster: no
[14:17] <saminthemiddle> hello
[14:17] <Derspankster> AzaTht: perhaps you should give it a go
[14:18] <AzaTht> Derspankster: is it in ubuntu, or do I have to poke with it manually?
[14:18] <Derspankster> AzaTht: you running Hardy Beta?
[14:18] <AzaTht> beta?
[14:18] <AzaTht> hardy yes
[14:19] <Derspankster> AzaTht: Hardy is currently a beta
[14:19] <sphinx_> hello all, i upgrade my monitor from CRT to LCD, i need any special setting to get good result with lcd ?
[14:19] <AzaTht> Derspankster: I know
[14:20] <AzaTht> though I never heard anyone refering it to "beta" before
[14:20] <afallenhope> Hey, I had a quick question, I'm running Hardy Heron. I have recompiled the b43 driver for some reason it's not working...
[14:20] <afallenhope> I was wondering... when I do sudo rmmod b43  I get Segmentation Fault:
[14:22] <afallenhope> then when I type sudo modprobe b43 it sits there and hangs
[14:22] <recon69> well, never liked rhythmbox anyway.
[14:23] <AzaTht-laptop> FATAL: Error inserting b43 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko): Operation not permitted
[14:25] <Derspankster> AzaTht: Administation>Hardware
[14:25] <Derspankster> sorry - Drivers
[14:25] <afallenhope> Anyone?
[14:26] <AzaTht-laptop> Derspankster, have only the grafic card in there
[14:27] <Derspankster> AzaTht-laptop: hold on a second
[14:28] <AzaTht-laptop> k
[14:28] <afallenhope> Derspankster: do you think you can help me?
[14:29] <Derspankster> afallenhope: don't know
[14:31] <Derspankster> AzaTht-laptop: Synaptic - install b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter
[14:32] <AzaTht> k
[14:34] <AzaTht> done
[14:34] <AzaTht> (now me trying to find out the next step...)
[14:35] <Derspankster> AzaTht: now go to hardware drivers and enable it
[14:35] <AzaTht> it's not listed
[14:36] <Derspankster> AzaTht: no?
[14:36] <AzaTht-laptop> nope
[14:37] <Derspankster> AzaTht: must not have ndiswrapper
[14:37] <afallenhope> Anyone know if I can recompile the b43 drivers for the 64 bit?
[14:37] <AzaTht-laptop> removed
[14:37] <Derspankster> AzaTht: oh, you removed it?
[14:37] <AzaTht-laptop> yes
[14:39] <Derspankster> AzaTht: you need it
[14:39] <AzaTht> hmm
[14:39] <AzaTht> hmm
[14:41] <AzaTht-laptop> ok, reinstalled ndiswrapper
[14:41] <ikonia> Ted`: do'nt advertise in here either
[14:41] <Ted`> http://ircx.forum0.info/ <--- plz register :) thanx
[14:41] <ikonia> Ted`: you where asked not to advertise
[14:41] <Derspankster> Now can you enable the driver?
[14:42] <Ng> elmargol: bluefish ist gut
[14:42] <gregory> Ted`: please stop in on the network, you may get kicked otherwise
[14:42] <Ng> gregory: he left already ;)
[14:42] <gregory> silly me
[14:42] <AzaTht-laptop> Derspankster, no
[14:43] <AzaTht-laptop> there is still only a note about the nvidia card driver there
[14:43] <Derspankster> AzaTht: try a reboot, if that doesn't get you there then I'm unsure of what's going on - sorry
[14:44] <AzaTht-laptop> k
[14:44] <AzaTht> trying that
[14:45] <hwilde> what is the reasoning for grub to reference the UUID instead of simply root=dev/hda1
[14:45] <elmargol> Ng, is bluefish a wysiwyg editor?
[14:45] <Ng> elmargol: jah :)
[14:45] <Derspankster> AztTht: if your light doesn't come on (wireless) then your hardware isn't being recognized
[14:45] <Ng> hwilde: the UUID stays the same if the disk order changes
[14:46] <AzaTht> Derspankster: it's reccognized
[14:46] <AzaTht> still no entry
[14:46] <Joeb454> hi, is anybody else getting a partial upgrade message in update manager?
[14:46] <Derspankster> AzaTht : trying to connect?
[14:47] <savvas> elmargol: there's a gnome alternative, i think it was named scream (?)
[14:48] <Derspankster> Screem
[14:48] <savvas> that :)
[14:48] <ferric84> how much is the latest beta going to differ from the final release?  I'm wondering if I should install the beta now and update in 7 days, or just wait 7 days
[14:48] <AzaTht> Derspankster: using an 3G modem for internet
[14:48] <savvas> I just stick to using the gnome text editor :P
[14:49] <Joeb454> ferric84, might as well wait 7 days, unless you're really impatient ;)
[14:49] <Derspankster> AzaTht: what do you see in Network Settings?
[14:49] <AzaTht> Derspankster: even the switch for the wireless is working
[14:50] <pheriod_> guess i'm one of the impatien ones, i'm installing it right now :)
[14:50] <AzaTht-laptop> Derspankster, only cable and p2p
[14:50] <Ng> ferric84: RC is out tomorrow, which should have fewer bugs than Beta and require less of an update to final next week
[14:50] <ferric84> OK, excellent
[14:51] <ferric84> yes, I'm very impatient... my new thinkpad comes today and I want to use it :)
[14:51] <Joeb454> lol
[14:51] <Joeb454> ferric84, there might still be some issues, but not many
[14:51] <ferric84> yeah
[14:51] <ferric84> I can deal with not many
[14:51] <bazhang> ferric84: best to run the livecd and see first
[14:51] <Joeb454> Ng, would you have any idea why I'm stuck with a partial upgrade issue?
[14:51] <ferric84> ok
[14:52] <Ng> Joeb454: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal, say no when it asks if oyu want to do the upgrade, then paste the output in a pastebin and give us the link
[14:52] <savvas> Joeb454: wait for all the upgrades to be built and to arrive, it could take 6-7 hours or more
[14:52] <AzaTht> Derspankster: I can manually modprobe both b43 and bcm43xx, but to no apparant result
[14:53] <bazhang> ferric84: the thinkpads are well supported though ;]
[14:53] <ferric84> wait, isn't the RC out today?
[14:53] <Derspankster> AzaTht: is this the first time the light has come on?
[14:53] <Stockfisch> hi .. is anyone here using a thinkpad - espescially a x31 with 8.04 ?
[14:53] <AzaTht> no
[14:53] <gregory> ferric84: tomorrow
[14:53] <savvas> Joeb454: unless you're currently trying to upgrade gutsy to hardy :)
[14:53] <bazhang> Stockfisch: thinkpad r60
[14:54] <Joeb454> savvas, I'm trying to finish getting the updates for hardy
[14:54] <Stockfisch> bazhang: do your special keys work (volume and so on) ?
[14:54] <Joeb454> it's been telling me to partial upgrade for the last couple of days
[14:54] <Derspankster> AzaTht: have you looked in Ubuntu forums or Googled your specific chipset?
[14:55] <savvas> Joeb454: then this is the way to go, if the upgrade is done and you have booted successfully and using hardy: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:55] <bazhang> Stockfisch: it all works; sleep/suspend (first time ever) and the rest
[14:55] <Joeb454> savvas, tried it :(
[14:55] <Joeb454> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63512/
[14:55] <Joeb454> there you go Ng
[14:55] <Stockfisch> bazhang: hmm .. suspend worked fine before and now still works .. special keys worked but do no more .. also scrolling with middle-button and trackpoint does not work anymore
[14:55] <savvas> Joeb454: go for it
[14:56] <savvas> it's the volumeid, that was removed and integrated in udev i think :)
[14:56] <Joeb454> savvas, is it bad that the only reason I don't want to, is because I cba to reinstall?
[14:56] <Joeb454> lol
[14:56] <Joeb454> i'll give it a go :)
[14:57] <savvas> that's a safe "partial upgrade"
[14:57] <savvas> :P
[14:57] <AzaTht> sort of yes
[14:57] <hwilde> Ng, but I am trying to make an image that works on multiple machines, and the UUID changes and grub fails.  But /dev/hda1 works
[14:57] <Joeb454> savvas, wish me luck ;)
[14:57] <Joeb454> I'll come back after and let you know (there's a kernel in there too)
[14:58] <savvas> Joeb454: you don't need it, mine is still working :)
[14:58] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey when is RC coming out
[14:58] <Ng> hwilde: yeah that could be trickier, I'm not sure what a good way to do that would be
[14:58] <Ng> vbabiy-laptop: tomorrow
[14:58] <savvas> vbabiy-laptop: in 7 days, we have to reach golgotha first :P
[14:58] <afallenhope> Anyone know why when I type sudo rmmod b43 I get "Segmentation Fault"
[14:58] <vbabiy-laptop> so its been moved a day
[14:59] <savvas> yep
[14:59] <vbabiy-laptop> wiki has not been updated
[15:03] <clusty> hey
[15:04] <Joeb454> savvas, it worked fine, just gotta edit grub (I'd edited it before anyway, so that's why :)
[15:04] <Joeb454> thanks again :)
[15:04] <clusty> which of the NFS daemons is doing the actual data transfer (grinds drives)?
[15:04] <clusty> mountd or nfsd?
[15:05] <hischild> isn't that the kernel module you're talking about?
[15:05] <afallenhope> Anyone know why I have an issue loading/unloading a kernel mod?
[15:06] <gregory> afallenhope: because you compiled by yourself maybe? ;-)
[15:06] <afallenhope> yah I did.
[15:06] <afallenhope> gregory: is that an issue?
[15:06] <hischild> afallenhope, did you enable the dynamic loading/unloading of modules?
[15:07] <afallenhope> hischild: not that I know of.. where would I find that option?
[15:07] <hischild> afallenhope, it's one of the very first options in the kernel menu
[15:07] <afallenhope> I'm only making one thing...
[15:08] <afallenhope> the b43 driver
[15:08] <hischild> oh i thought you did the kernel yourself
[15:08] <hischild> well what errors does dmesg give you?
[15:08] <gregory> afallenhope: where you the one who had already tried fedora 9?
[15:09] <afallenhope> no
[15:10] <AzaTht-laptop> ok, think I managed to fix it now
[15:10] <AzaTht> used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff instead
[15:11] <gregory> afallenhope: do you have a broadcom 4320 rndis chip?
[15:11] <askand> Hi, I cant open my external drives in Hardy, I am given the message that only root can do so..why is this?
[15:12] <bazhang> askand: is this a fresh install or an upgrade
[15:13] <askand> bazhang: its an upgrade
[15:13] <bazhang> askand: did you do something with your permissions? gksudo nautilus or the like?
[15:13] <afallenhope> gregory: I have the Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[15:14] <askand> bazhang: nope..could it be related to policykit?
[15:14] <bazhang> askand: any other weird enabling root behaviour?
[15:14] <askand> ) bazhang: not that I have encountered so far
[15:14] <gregory> afallenhope: hmm, is it one of those devices? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=bf164cc054d568fa7889ffab41d3b091f5758c75
[15:15] <afallenhope> gregory: no, it's a broadcom card.. the driver is b43
[15:16] <gregory> afallenhope: i see , sorry
[15:16] <afallenhope> gregory: no worries.. I have permissions to load modules and stuff
[15:16] <afallenhope> I tested it out with this
[15:16] <afallenhope> rmmode pcspkr; sleep 5; modprobe b43;
[15:16] <afallenhope> and that worked fine
[15:19] <adobongkangkong> is it okay to use the beta version and update it later when the official is released?
[15:19] <bazhang> adobongkangkong: just keep updating and you will be final
[15:20] <Lamego> adobongkangkong, yes
[15:20] <adobongkangkong> thnx
[15:20] <adobongkangkong> btw <bazhang> are u omnipotent ? just kid
[15:21] <AzaTht> ok, now next thing to fix ツ
[15:22] <ShackJack> HI all - since upgrading to -16 kernel my fglrx driver is not showing as in use under the Restricted Drivers Manager... Has anyone here been experiencing this issue?
[15:22] <AzaTht> anyonw with experience with wvdial?
[15:23] <nathan_> Hi, any idea what's wrong here: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/190270/ ?
 how'd u do that? i mean how do put shortcuts to type japanese fonts?
[15:24] <afallenhope> what's the command to know what module my wireless card is using
[15:25] <afallenhope> because some people are saying I'm using b43 others are saying it's bcm43xx and the others are saying b43legacy
[15:25] <bullgard4> What command-line tool returns a detiled description of the DEB program package 'tracker-utils'? Does it start with 'apt-'?
[15:25] <Lynoure> afallenhope: which one you have in your   lsmod ?
[15:25] <bullgard4> detailed
[15:25] <Lynoure> bullgard4: apt-cache show foobar
[15:25] <Lynoure> bullgard4: where foobar is the package name
[15:26] <b4l74z4r> it seems that the latest hardy updates has resolved the problems with tearing in totem when compiz is enabled
[15:26] <AzaTht> adobongkangkong: text replacement in xchat
[15:26] <afallenhope> Lynoure: I just want to know whic mod it's using.. i'm confused .. ppl are sayin it's the b43,, others are saying b43legacy and now ppl are sayin it's the bcm43xx I just want to know which one
 is that a plugin?
[15:27] <AzaTht> no
[15:27] <AzaTht> Settings → Advanced → Automatic blah
[15:27] <Lynoure> afallenhope: Do you mean by that that both are shown loaded in  lsmod?
[15:27] <bullgard4> Lynoure: "detlef@MD97600:~$ man apt-cache show tracker-utils; No manual entry for show; No manual entry for tracker-utils."
[15:27] <Lynoure> bullgard4: why man?
[15:28] <Lynoure> bullgard4: man has nothing to do with it, if you want the description of the package
[15:28] <AzaTht> adobongkangkong: http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/smiley.png
[15:28] <Lynoure> bullgard4: if you want man entry for the command, that's  man apt-cache
[15:28] <bullgard4> Lynoure: Ok. That was my mistake. Now ist works. Thank you very much.
[15:29] <Lynoure> bullgard4: :)
[15:30] <adobongkangkong> okay
[15:38] <ShackJack> HI all - since upgrading to -16 kernel my fglrx driver is not showing as in use under the Restricted Drivers Manager... Has anyone here been experiencing this issue?
[15:40] <AzaTht> why is gnome screensaver only using one cpu?
[15:40] <nathan_> Is there an alternative kernel header package to fix this problem: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/190270/ ?
[15:41] <AzaTht> or perhaps a better question: why is so many programs only using single cpu?
[15:43] <b4l74z4r> nøke såte
[15:48] <askand> The shutdown dialog does not show when pressing the shutdownbutton, is that a known bug?
[15:52] <afallenhope> is there a way of getting rid of the pci speaker?
[15:52] <afallenhope> like the BEEP
[15:52] <wilbert> kill it
[15:52] <topyli> traditionally, i've ripped them out and thrown them out of the window
[15:53]  * nemo likes the beep
[15:53] <nemo> afallenhope: you can disable beeping though
[15:53] <nemo> afallenhope: if in gnome, system->preferences->sound->system beep
[15:53] <wilbert> like topli said, ripp it out
[15:54] <nemo> beep is handy when using screen
[15:54] <afallenhope> thanks nemo
[15:54] <nemo> otherwise I'd never know I was getting IMs
[15:55] <topyli> nemo: i get big fat notification bubbles and an annoying .wav :)
[15:56] <topyli> i wish my mobile putty had system beep though, or could vibrate or something. anything
[15:57] <[diablo]> good afternoon #ubuntu+1
[15:57] <[diablo]> anyone having issues with grub installation on last pass of install?
[15:57] <askan1> The shutdown dialog does not show when pressing the shutdownbutton, is that a known bug?
[15:58] <nemo> topyli: screen + centerim FTW
[15:58] <nemo> topyli: I do sometimes enable visual beep
[15:59] <topyli> visual bell is not very helpful on a phone in your pocket :(
[15:59] <topyli> also, why run centerim when you can use irssi?
[15:59] <topyli> just connect to a bitlbee server and enjoy your jabber
[16:01] <askan1> Hardy does not detect my aticard..is that a known bug?
[16:02] <askan1>  drivers manager*
[16:02] <Lynoure> askan1: I don't do closed source drivers at all, but you might get better answers if you told them which ATI card
[16:03] <askan1> Raden X1600
[16:04] <nemo> topyli: I prefer to keep my IM and IRC separate
[16:04] <nemo> topyli: is just me.
[16:04] <nemo> topyli: also, I like centerim's layout a lot
[16:05] <topyli> nemo: yepp
[16:11] <Leeuw> anyone know what time today (GMT or UCT) the release candidate is due ?  On the daily page there's only the 17 april build, wich I believe is not the RC (day later, so I' ve  read)
[16:12] <pen> what is me TV?
[16:12] <pen> what can I do with it?
[16:12] <Tommmmmmm> Hey, Does anyone know too get "aticonfig --initial" & "aticonfig --Overlay=Xv" to work?
[16:12] <afallenhope> hey i had a question about installing from a svn
[16:12] <afallenhope> how do I uninstall it
[16:13] <Leeuw> pen, watch tv if you hav a tv-card installed
[16:13] <pen> Leeuw: I see
[16:13] <Leeuw> pen, and a cable or antenna connected
[16:13] <Tommmmmmm> Anybody?
[16:14] <Leeuw> pen, but I haven't figured out how to tune the card with that app; anyone ?
[16:14] <pen> Leeuw: are you using that?
[16:14] <Leeuw> pen, KDE TV is similar, but has a wizzard to tune; if you have tv-card, try it , it's cool
[16:15] <Leeuw> pen, I tried, but : see above
[16:15] <askan1>  Leeuw release candidate is coming tomorrow
[16:15] <afallenhope> anyone able to help me?
[16:15] <Leeuw> askan1: another day retarted ?
[16:16] <askan1> Leeuw: no..it has always been thursday and now friday?
[16:16] <Leeuw> askan1: or just the date-line effetc ?
[16:16] <afallenhope> after I install something (compile [make] [make install]) .. how would I uninstall it
[16:16] <Tommmmmmm> Hey, Does anyone know too get "aticonfig --initial" & "aticonfig --Overlay=Xv" to work?
[16:16] <askan1> afallenhope:  sudo make uninstall
[16:16] <askan1> Tommmmmmm: what happens when you put that in a terminal?
[16:16] <Leeuw> askan1: aha, now I gettit, my clock' s a day fast (not me, but I trust the clock to much)
[16:16] <afallenhope> even if it's from svn co ?
[16:17] <askan1>  afallenhope: yes should work the same way
[16:17] <suriro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html
[16:17] <Leeuw> askan1: thanx for waking me up ;-)
[16:17] <afallenhope> ty
[16:17] <Tommmmmmm> Ermm, Xorg has failed.... It would help if I had a GUI.........  And now all mp3's play reaylly bad. The sound scratcheds and skips. Anyone know the reason? ogg plays fine.
[16:19] <afallenhope> Alright... is there a reason when I patch something... then I use copy it to the modules dir, try sudo rmmod b43 i get "Segmentation Fault" then when I try "modprobe b43" it jsut hangs/
[16:20] <vlad> hi people
[16:20] <vlad> can i ask here a problem for ubuntu + video?
[16:20] <Lamego> grr, after updating my fonts are horrible
[16:20] <Tommmmmmm> Geeze, I don't get if the drivers are officially supported by the vendor for linux but it still isn't intergrated into ubuntu -_-
[16:20] <afallenhope> vlad:  don't ask to ask to ask.. just do it
[16:22] <afallenhope> Alright... is there a reason when I patch something... then I use copy it to the modules dir, try sudo rmmod b43 i get "Segmentation Fault" then when I try "modprobe b43" it jsut hangs/
[16:22] <vlad> ok i got ati sapphire x1550 +  ubuntu 7.10 i installed the restricted drivers automatic when i try to put better visual effects it says "the composite extension is not available", im a new in linux and i dont know what to do
[16:23] <afallenhope> make sure you fully updated everything
[16:23] <vlad> yes
[16:23] <vlad> all full updated
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> vlad :     Section "Extensions"
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> Option "Composite" "0"
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> EndSection
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> to
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> Section "Extensions"
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> Option "Composite" "1"
[16:23] <Tommmmmmm> EndSection
[16:24] <Tommmmmmm> at the bottom of your xorg.conf
[16:24] <vlad> kk
[16:24] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: do you think you could help me out?
[16:25] <vlad> how cant open xorg.inf how can open that Tommmmmmm
[16:25] <Leeuw> Tommmmmmm: think messing with xorg.config is good idea for noob ?
[16:25] <hwilde> how can I apt-get remove stuff to take out the user interface portion ?
[16:25] <hwilde> apt-get remove --purge gnome*       "Couldn't find package gnome-2.0"
[16:25] <Tommmmmmm> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   I think
[16:26] <afallenhope> yeah
[16:26] <Tommmmmmm> Leeuw, Properly not lol.
[16:26] <afallenhope> How about we help meeee loll
[16:27] <Leeuw> vlad, better ask on #ubuntu, this is #ubuntu+1, beta testing newwer ubuntu than your version.   type: /join #ubuntu    and try on that channel; I haven' t a clue to your problem, but someone there might.
[16:27] <vlad> Tommmmmmm:  when i open xorg conf it appears a new blank window
[16:27] <vlad> ubuntu is alone
[16:27] <vlad> o it isnt
[16:27] <Leeuw> vlad, tommm' s just messing with you.
[16:28] <vlad> :O
[16:28] <tan> >:)
[16:28] <vlad> :(
[16:28] <hwilde> anybody have a better suggestion than     apt-get remove --purge `dpkg -l | grep gnome | awk '{print $2}'`
[16:28] <Leeuw> :'(
[16:28] <BHSPitMonkey> Haha, that's funny.
[16:29] <BHSPitMonkey> I dragged my resume from a local folder to a remote share, and now it appears on neither.
[16:29] <BHSPitMonkey> GVFS has a twisted humor, it.
[16:29] <Tommmmmmm> vlad try sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:29] <Tommmmmmm> but if it breaks, wasn't me
[16:29] <hwilde> make a backup of the file first.
[16:31] <BHSPitMonkey> hwilde, I would think to remove the deps of ubuntu-desktop (EXCEPT for ubuntu-server)
[16:31] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: do you know of the issue with the b43 driver?
[16:31] <Tommmmmmm> Wifi ?
[16:32] <vlad> Tommmmmmm:  still blank window
[16:32] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: yeah it is.
[16:32] <kosmonaut>
[16:32] <kosmonaut> Man!This is so frustrating.
[16:32] <kosmonaut> I started Hardy from the Live-CD. Everything worked just fine.
[16:32] <kosmonaut> That means, I could establish a connection to my Wifi-router with WPA.
[16:32] <kosmonaut> So I thought Hardy is ready to go.
[16:32] <kosmonaut> Now after the installation+all updates-> there is no way to connect to my router via Wifi.
[16:32] <kosmonaut> Chip: RTL8180 / Driver Ndiswrapper
[16:33] <kosmonaut> (sorry 4 that mess)
[16:33] <Symmetria> hrm, lo all, quick question, is the RC1 officially out yet?
[16:33] <jbroome> Symmetria: dunno off hand, check the site
[16:33] <kosmonaut> how could i focus that problem
[16:33] <Tommmmmmm> Sorry no I don't afallenhope, I can't even boot into xserver ^_^
[16:33] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: anytime I type sudo rmmod b43 I get "Segmentation Fault:" and then I can't do "sudo modprobe b43"
[16:34] <Symmetria> hrm, jbroome its due out today I see, and Im just trying to figure out if its actually officially released or not :) but will see what I can find out
[16:34] <tatters> is the relase candidate out today?
[16:34] <jbroome> tatters: are you even paying attention?
[16:34] <Symmetria> tatters according to that page yes
[16:34] <tatters> ugh? what page
[16:34] <tatters> only just arrived
[16:36] <Tommmmmmm> alfallenhope ,not happending to be using Wubi are you
[16:36] <savvas> "killall -9 -u username" kills all processes under a username? or do i have to use -r .* ?
[16:37] <scapor> Hi.  I found the webpage fro 8.04 RC but the download links point to the beta iso's.  Are the RC iso's not yet uplaoded ?
[16:39] <vlad> Tommmmmmm:  if composite is set to "0" i should put it to 1?
[16:39] <scizzo-> scapor: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[16:39] <Tommmmmmm> Yes vlad.
[16:39] <vlad> thx
[16:40] <scapor> scizzo-: I'll take that as a nay ;)
[16:40] <Tommmmmmm> Reboot or Log in and out after vlad.
[16:40] <vlad> kk brb
[16:40] <scizzo-> scapor: well since the last edition shows beta then no the rc is not out yet
[16:40] <tatters> me thinks simply not out yet would suffice
[16:40] <scapor> allright .. I guess the page I got on was something that automatically exists for every new Ubuntu species
[16:43] <Leeuw> just wondering: if I install Hardy's daily build from today, and do updates tomorrow, do I have release candidate tomorrow ?   Or should I wait till tomorrow for some obscure reason ?
[16:44] <Leeuw> that illudes me (just finishing the sentence)
[16:44] <tatters> rc is out today is it not, or has it been delayed
[16:44] <Leeuw> tatters: been delayed to tomorrow
[16:45] <tatters> k, thnx
[16:45] <bazhang> release week is here; think I'll hide in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:45] <jbroome> Leeuw: any updates you run will bring you current to either the RC or final release when they're out
[16:46] <jbroome> Leeuw: i'd suggest putting that in the /topic, but people don't seem to read it
[16:46] <Leeuw> jbroome: thanx, I'll go ahead then, can't wait, have the image, and probably tomorrow servers are to busy anyway
[16:46] <Leeuw> impatient li' l me :-!
[16:46] <jbroome> yeah, get your updates before any milestones are released
[16:48] <Leeuw> one thing I don't understand though: considering freeze went in last week, how can there be difference between daily' s now and rc ?
[16:48] <Leeuw> no deepfreeze ?
[16:48] <scapor> Leeuw: not everything is frozen and some things are allowed to pass when it's critical although they should be frozen
[16:48] <Leeuw> just cubes in water ? :-P
[16:48] <Leeuw> scapor: aha !
[16:49] <scapor> Leeuw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:49] <bazhang> Leeuw: you dont read ubuntu newsweekly? heresy!
[16:49] <scapor> Leeuw: like the RC is the freeze for translations
[16:49] <Leeuw> scapor: yeah I know, thx anyway; that's where I got the info, it didn't xplain this though
[16:49] <scapor> Leeuw: they can go on till then as they can't make big bugs normally
[16:50] <Leeuw> scapor: eeehhh ?
[16:50] <scapor> Leeuw: you see different freeze's on that page :p
[16:50] <mohbana> whats the lastest version of ubuntu? 1. does it have latex on it? 2. does it support the nvidia 8800gts (G92) out of the box?
[16:50] <scapor> Leeuw: changing a translation won't make the system crash as there's no code involved
[16:50] <Leeuw> scapor: I gettit
[16:50] <Leeuw> scapor: good ifo, tnx
[16:51] <Leeuw> info
[16:51] <bazhang> mohbana: get the livecd and see
[16:51] <jbroome> !latex | mohbana
[16:51] <ubotu> mohbana: tex is a language for describing a document, commonly used especially for scientific publishing. Information and instructions for installing TeX and other related packages can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaTeX
[16:51] <bazhang> !info latex
[16:51] <afallenhope> I've looked at the forums... no one has the same issue as me
[16:51] <ubotu> Package latex does not exist in hardy
[16:51] <mohbana> texlive maybe
[16:52] <mohbana> !info texlive
[16:52] <ubotu> texlive (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2007-13 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 100 kB
[16:52] <jbroome> apt-cache search latex on my hardy machine brings up many choices
[16:52]  * Tommmmmmm thinks wubi is a waste of time -_-
[16:52] <Flannel> jbroome: texlive is the 'official' debian tex package (it used to be tetex)
[16:53] <jbroome> mohbana: i have two 8600 GTs in my hardy machine, they work fine
[16:54] <bazhang> wubi is sweet
[16:54] <mohbana> jbroome, did you have you manually install it?
[16:54] <bazhang> as is unetbootin
[16:54] <afallenhope> After I do sudo rmmod b43 it says: "Segmentation Fault"
[16:55] <michaelfavia> my mouse keeps getting sucked to the center of my screen when i min/max windows and give them focus. just started randomly, is this compiz, xorg, vodoo?
[16:55] <jbroome> mohbana: i used envy to install the drivers, but the restricted drivers notice did see them
[16:55] <michaelfavia> hrm just disabled compiz and it stopped...
[16:56] <Tommmmmmm> Hmmmm, Shall I install Ubuntu or Kubuntu.....//
[16:58] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: do you like KDE?
[16:58] <Lamego> Tommmmmmm, it depends on your taste, nothing we can advice about :P
[16:58] <afallenhope> After I do sudo rmmod b43 it says: "Segmentation Fault"
[16:58] <bazhang> cough kde4 cough
[16:58] <Leeuw> Tommmmmmm: how about noobuntu ?
[16:58] <afallenhope> is that normal?
[16:59] <Leeuw> sorry...
[16:59] <lup0> At what time is the Release candidate coming? According to schedule it should be available today?
[16:59] <Tommmmmmm> Segmentation fault just means the hardware isn't compatitable i thinks
[16:59] <bazhang> lup0: tomorrow
[17:00] <bicyclist> Lamego well said, it is a matter of taste rather than of one being better than the other.
[17:00] <bazhang> seems like /topic needs an update ;]
[17:00] <Leeuw> michaelfavia: it's a function that centers mouse on most likely spot next to click (like ok-button), don't ask me where to find it though (probably advanced desktop settings)
[17:00] <afallenhope> Tommmmmmm: I basically recompiled the b43 module  and moved it to  /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/ and tried reloading it
[17:00] <Leeuw> lup0: nope, delayed; tomorrow
[17:00] <Tommmmmmm> Ndiswrapper GUI app is for Gnome Isn't it ?
[17:01] <michaelfavia> Leeuw, it isnt on dialogs, on any window :(
[17:01] <bazhang> ndisgtk aye
[17:01] <afallenhope> after I do the sudo rmmod b43 it says that
[17:01] <michaelfavia> craaazy
[17:01] <Tommmmmmm> Ndisgtk working on KDE?
[17:01] <juliank> Tommmmmmm: yes
[17:01] <Leeuw> michaelfavia: did you install advanced desktop settings from synaptic ?  if not do so
[17:01] <bazhang> never tried it--intel wireless ;]
[17:02] <michaelfavia> Leeuw, i did.
[17:02] <lup0> Leeuw: ok, thanks
[17:02] <michaelfavia> but cant find any thing that would do this :(
[17:03] <Leeuw> michaelfavia: hmmm... then I give up, am on debian now for I crashed gutsy and waaiting for hardy... so I cab't find out just now...
[17:03] <Leeuw> can't I mean
[17:03] <afallenhope> is there any clients that support MSN Messenger webcams/
[17:03] <Tommmmmmm> Amsn
[17:03] <afallenhope> okay thanks
[17:04] <Tommmmmmm> Amsn has the slowest contact list ever and the looks aint great either.
[17:04] <afallenhope> Well. I jsut want webcam support
[17:05] <afallenhope> I preffer Pidgin myself... buuuuuut doesn't have webcam
[17:05] <Tommmmmmm> Yeah, I have to use it for webcam...I way perfer Emesene for msn :)
[17:07] <bicyclist> Does amsn also have sound support ?
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Offline Messaging
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Voice Clips
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Display pictures
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Custom emoticons
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Multi-language support (around 40 languages currently supported)
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Webcam support
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Sign in to more than one account at once
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Full-speed File transfers
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Group support
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Normal, and animated emoticons with sounds
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Chat logs
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Timestamping
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Event alarms
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Conferencing support
[17:08] <jbroome> Tommmmmmm: ass
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm>     * Tabbed chat windows
[17:08] <Tommmmmmm> It has most things.
[17:08] <jbroome> does it have a pastebin?
[17:08] <Flannel> Tommmmmmm: Please don't paste here.
[17:09] <nemo> interesting. I didn't know there was a linux client that supported MSN video
[17:09] <Tommmmmmm> kk
[17:09] <nemo> I always just told everyone to use skype or H.323
[17:09] <nemo> useful info
[17:09] <bicyclist> Well just wondering if amsn allows for sound, cause skype does !
[17:10] <nemo> bicyclist: you know, there's apparently a completely web-based one I've been meaning to try out.
[17:10] <nemo> and by "web based" I mean flash :(
[17:10] <bicyclist> ah ok.
[17:11] <Tommmmmmm> tesco cd's = the sex
[17:15] <Ciantic> Is there SVN integration to the file manager?
[17:15] <savvas> nemo: you also emesene
[17:16] <savvas> *also have
[17:16] <benklop_> hello
[17:17] <benklop_> i've upgraded my laptop to hardy, and averything seems about as i'd expect
[17:17] <nemo> savvas: no
[17:17] <benklop_> except synergy doesn't work well
[17:18] <harveyd> I installed hardy heron beta, now im having problems importing photos from my camera
[17:18] <benklop_> it goes back and forth between being resonsive and unresponsive
[17:18] <savvas> nemo: i meant i think emesene supports video too :)
[17:18] <harveyd> the first time it imported 2/3 then crashed
[17:19] <harveyd> the next 2 times gnome froze entirely
[17:19] <Jorl17> hello
[17:19] <benklop_> i'm not sure why, other than to say that it does not appear to happen in conjuction to anything logged in /var/logs
[17:19] <harveyd> now I uninstalled f-spot, since I didnt want it popping up, I get the "do you want to import your photos" dialog, click yes, and nothing happens
[17:20] <benklop_> you move the mouse / keyboard on the server, and the synergy client in hardy doesn'tt always respond immediately
[17:20] <benklop_> it seems like it gets all events at once every few seconds, then responds normally for a few seconds, then stops responding for a few more
[17:21] <Jorl17> Hello, I was hoping someone could help me out, I've got some sound issues in Ubuntu hardy
[17:21] <vvd> hello, i just debootstrapped hardy but it wont boot. kernel initializes hw and just when normally init begins its work, nothing happens. any ideas?
[17:22] <Jorl17> As soon as someone is willing to help me, please tell me, thankyou
[17:24] <benklop_> Jorl17: you should know that in hardy, sound is all routed through pulseaudio.
[17:25] <benklop_> so apps like amarok have a pulseaudio plugin, but alsa programs need to have a special alsa config file. i don't know if hardy installs one by default
[17:29] <W8TAH> im using hardy beta 4 (ubuntu) on my laptop -- im planning to install kopete for some testing -- is there an advantage to installing the KDE 4 version (with attendant deps) as opposed to the kde3 version -- im not particularly intersted in eye candy
[17:29] <Leeuw> Jorl17: whatsa problim ?
[17:30] <benklop_> W8TAH: having used both, i'd say the kde3 version is perfactly adequate
[17:30] <W8TAH> ok
[17:30] <W8TAH> thanks
[17:31] <boritek> hello
[17:31] <boritek>  could you tell me please how can i track xchat's logs with tracker? The files are in a hidden directory in .xchat2/xchatlogs. I added this directory to the watchlist but it doesnt track the files there
[17:35] <Jorl17> @Leeuw: in the beggining i had difficulties getting my 5.1 sound to work, but I figured it out...comoiled ALSA, did lot's of stuff...switched cables and that was it
[17:35] <AzaTht> think I found a bug in the error report thingi; it seems it tried to open a page in firefox, but instead of opening a new page, it tried to start a new firefox session, and thus bail
[17:35] <afallenhope> Can anyone tell me if this syntax is correct?
[17:35] <afallenhope> sudo cp drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/
[17:35] <Jorl17> then, I had this problem of sound getting only 'wowned' by one app, ofc I got it and it is partially ready
[17:36] <Jorl17> afallenhope
[17:36] <Jorl17> i think you missed -d command or so
[17:36] <Leeuw> Jorl17: great ! I didn't know I was soooo good at helping people out...  be sure to clean up the ectoplasma though...
[17:36] <afallenhope> yes Jorl17 ?
[17:36] <Jorl17> ok, i'm sory, it just happens that openttd gets the sound all breaked
[17:37] <Jorl17> do you klnow why?
[17:37] <Jorl17> I can give you information ofc
[17:38] <annoia> $ sudo network-admin  ...  Segmentation fault (core dumped)   <--- Is this normal?
[17:38] <afallenhope> not that I know of.. but I get segmentation fault all the time
[17:39] <annoia> Well, it's pretty annoying that all gnome apps thinks that my network is down :P
[17:39] <afallenhope> I get the SF when I run rmmod
[17:39] <topyli> looks like this morning's updates broke compiz. it freezes when switching between overlapping windows
[17:39] <Jorl17> afallenhope add -r
[17:40] <topyli> just in time for the RC :)
[17:40] <afallenhope> okay
[17:40] <Jorl17> nah just leave it
[17:40] <Jorl17> don't, i'll better just shut up ^^
[17:40] <Jorl17> so, does anyone know the reason for the fact my openttd sound breaks as if cpu time wasn't well distributed?
[17:41] <insomninja> anybody who have sucsessfully installed aldrin on hardy?
[17:41] <afallenhope> Jorl17: I'm just trying to patch my driver
[17:41] <Jorl17> when i mean break I mean goes slow
[17:41] <Jorl17> i have
[17:41] <Jorl17> hardy
[17:42] <Jorl17> insomninja, but why, can I know?
[17:42] <Jorl17> afakkebhope, have you managed it?
[17:43] <Jorl17> afallenhope*
[17:43] <insomninja> Jorl17, what do you mean?
[17:43] <afallenhope> Jorl17: what do you mean managed?
[17:43] <Jorl17> just curiosity, why did you want to know if anyone had sucessfully installed hardy
[17:43] <Jorl17> the command
[17:43] <Jorl17>  => sudo cp drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/
[17:43] <afallenhope> I compiled the driver/module
[17:43] <Jorl17> oh ok
[17:44] <insomninja> Jorl17, because I have problems doing it, it requires some stuff not found in apt
[17:44] <afallenhope> Jorl17: it doesn't return anything..
[17:44] <Jorl17> have checked if it worked?
[17:44] <Jorl17> insommninja, sutff like what?
[17:44] <afallenhope> Jorl17:  welll... don't I have to do sudo rmmod b43 first?
[17:44] <AzaTht> https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/218751
[17:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218751 in apport "apport tries to start a new firefox session" [Undecided,New]
[17:45] <Jorl17> I managed to get hardy working even with my usb card, nvidia graphics driver (proprietary) and stuff
[17:45] <AzaTht> Jorl17: I just had trouble with mine, though the "tutorial" for feisty worked
[17:45] <Jorl17> maybe, as I said i'd be better off not saying a thing, I am not expert not even close
[17:45] <afallenhope> Jorl17:  welll... don't I have to do sudo rmmod b43 first?
[17:45] <insomninja> Jorl17, libzzub, <- I'm trying to install that according to a howto from aldrin's home page, but scons gives me an error I can't really understand
[17:46] <Jorl17> hm, well, I'm using hardy with triple-boot XP and VIsta through vista's bootloader so I didn't follow that tutorial for sure ^^
[17:47] <Jorl17> oh, for all the C++ programmers out there, i've never really used the string command, always used char*, but decided port something out, tell me (if you can), can string cause bufffer overflows? something like string somestring="string"; somestring="somebiggerstring"; ?
[17:47] <AzaTht> when using apport, is there any way to know that the data  has been sent to an dev?
[17:48] <insomninja> I might have fixed it, but not in a pretty way...
[17:49] <AzaTht> anyone?
[17:49] <Lamego> Jorl17, C++ strings to do not use fixed length arrays, that type of assignment could not cause an overflow
[17:50] <Jorl17> ok, thankyou, therefor strcpy command could cause the overflow
[17:50] <Jorl17> it's just that I've been porting code (really big code) from windows to work on both and started using string...since then I found some strange overflows
[17:51] <Jorl17> a const string passed as an argument to a function is being acessed...even without that function getting called anywhere
[17:52] <AzaTht> it seems that apport never sended a bug report in this case
[17:55] <prashant____> hey i wanted to ask something . When i installed ubuntu with WUBI it went fine until i did not installed a package . But when i installed a package ( a whole lot of Disk I/O error were printed while booting)
[17:55] <prashant____> hello
[17:55] <Jorl17> hello
[17:55] <prashant____> it is no use using an OS where we cant do any thing
[17:55] <prashant____> :(
[17:56] <hwilde> disk i/o errors are a hardware issue, not the os.
[17:57] <prashant____> well in my case it is
[17:58] <prashant____> what i think is the cause of error is purely due to Wubi concept is not woeking fine
[17:58] <prashant____> as wubi uses virtual disks not real disks so it is a problem of OS not H/W
[17:58] <sirius> hey isnt the Release Candidate supposed to be out today?
[17:59] <bicyclist> Not today, tomorrow. Slight delay
[17:59] <siriusnova> ahh damn
[17:59] <siriusnova> is there a pre pre release candidate iso?
[17:59] <siriusnova> Im reinstalling a box lol
[17:59] <siriusnova> :P
[17:59] <Ragnarel> and how to upgrade from beta to rc? dist-upgrade or what?
[17:59] <bicyclist> I suppose yes.
[17:59] <bicyclist> as far as i know just make the usual update....
[17:59] <Ragnarel> oh nice
[17:59] <bicyclist> if you already run hh 8.04
[18:00] <Jorl17> using dist-upgrade do we loose any definitions, packages, updates, drivers?
[18:00] <bicyclist> Well some, as not all have been compiled to run with hardy heron. Expecially proprietary drivers.
[18:01] <bicyclist> Or packages, that have been removed in the hh release.
[18:01] <bicyclist> But that are not very much. I upgraded from gutsy to hardy on a sony vaio and nearly not realized the upgrade
[18:02] <Jorl17> hm, I use nvidia proprietary drivers
[18:02] <Jorl17> do you know if they would be OK after the upgrade?
[18:02] <Jorl17> nvidia geforce 8 I think
[18:02] <prashant____> any one have any idea about Wubi problem or it is a BIG BUG :(
[18:02] <Ragnarel> I upgraded yesterday and I didn't lost nothing
[18:03] <Jorl17> nice, you also use nvidia proprietary drivers?
[18:03] <Ragnarel> yes
[18:03] <Ragnarel> for FX 5500
[18:03] <Jorl17> thanks for the info
[18:03] <Jorl17> hm...ok!
[18:07] <milosz> is the problem some people referred to on the mailing list that systems don't boot on current up-to-date status a confirmed problem?
[18:07] <Jorl17> erm...is dist-upgrade a command? is there an equivalent or something?
[18:08] <Flannel> Jorl17: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:08] <Jorl17> thanks
[18:16] <x1250> Jorl17: dist-upgrade is deprecated, use full-upgrade instead..
[18:16] <Jorl17> oh great...now that I am upgrading with dist-upgrade ^^
[18:16] <Jorl17> thanks for the info
[18:16] <Jorl17> guess i'll use full upgrade soon then
[18:22] <benguin> hi there
 hi
[18:22] <pseigo> how can i use the ubuntu irc? (i am useing pidgin for irc)
[18:23] <benguin> could someone help me out with some compile issues im getting with g++ 4.2  ?
[18:23] <savvas> pseigo: you have xchat-gnome (menu applications > add/remove)
[18:24] <pseigo> savvas: on pidgin?
[18:25] <pseigo> savvas: and i am on kde 3.4
[18:27] <Tuv0k> I forget the proper way to clean out old scripts from /etc/init.d/?
[18:29] <Jorl17> how do I use full-upgrade=
[18:29] <Jorl17> ?*
[18:30] <x1250> Jorl17: you can $ man aptitude, for the next time, but... # aptitude full-upgrade
[18:30] <Jorl17> hm, thanks! but dist-upgrade did the job I guess
[18:31] <stefg> Release candidate out yet?
[18:32] <x1250> Topic says beta...
[18:32] <pseigo> savvas: were you ignoring me?
[18:34] <suriro> Hi, xfce terminal does not perform hinting on fonts, though it's enabled desktop wide. Any idea what could be wrong?
[18:35] <dwatson_> use a font that supports hinting?
[18:35] <dwatson_> the bitstream mono font is good
[18:35] <Jorl17> oh well, I have to boot into windows to test this...I really need to install code blocks and gcc in my second pc so i don't have to ext Ubuntu
[18:35] <dwatson_> why not use vmware?
[18:35] <Jorl17> 'cause I'd have to reinstall windows there right?
[18:36] <^Ocean^> wrong
[18:36] <Jorl17> I can't build an image from windows that has 100 gbs in reality
[18:36] <Jorl17> then i'd have no space
[18:36] <x1250> it can use a real partition
[18:36] <Jorl17> it can?
[18:36] <dwatson_> Jorl17, only you can change your parameters to suit your needs, but does Windows really need that much space?
[18:37] <dwatson_> or why not move your data to an ext3 partition and share it using vmware file sharing
[18:37] <Jorl17> when I mean windows, i catually mean windows and it's apps...windowze's drive C I mean, windows itself ocuppiues its own needs
[18:37] <Jorl17> the problem isn't sharing data
[18:37] <Jorl17> it's actually testing applications
[18:37] <dwatson_> vmware is perfect for that
[18:37] <x1250> like what applications?
[18:37] <dwatson_> vmware supports snapshots
[18:37] <^Ocean^> Jorl17: You can use vmware too load an exisiting windows partition,  windows will find all new hardware at first but should work
[18:38] <Jorl17> I'm porting code fI made from windows to work on both of them, so I need the Client app (it's a chat application) in windows to test the srver (ported) code
[18:38] <Jorl17> because I haven't ported the Chat App itself yet
[18:38] <dwatson_> Jorl17, i develop on Windows and Linux too, VMWare is such a time saver
[18:38] <x1250> try virtualbox also, its very good
[18:38] <dwatson_> its unbelievable
[18:39] <Jorl17> hm...
[18:39] <^Ocean^> wine might also be usefull
[18:39] <Jorl17> maybe if you could help me setting this up ^^
[18:39] <Fraeon> So, problems with wireless in the 8.04
[18:39] <Jorl17> ocean, I have wine, my code simply messes it up
[18:39] <x1250> I can help you with virtualbox
[18:39] <dwatson_> hey, I work for a living, I don't hold hands for a living ;)
[18:39] <Jorl17> unless i replace wsockets2 dll with windoeze's
[18:39] <Jorl17> :) i get it
[18:39] <Fraeon> It finds my wireless stick fine, it finds the networks fine but refuses to join the network
[18:39] <Jorl17> x1250, guide me then if you may :)
[18:40] <dwatson_> Trust me, I was reluctanct to move to vmware, but once I did, there is no going back
[18:40] <Fraeon> It keeps asking the passphrase over and over like it's incorrect but I doublechecked and it should be okay
[18:40] <^Ocean^> Jorl17: Well i wold suggest vmware then :)   I have used it for years
[18:40] <Jorl17> where can i get virtualbox (it is an OS emulator, right?)
[18:40] <dwatson_> Fraeon, go to your keyring and delete the entries for your wireless
[18:40] <Jorl17> Ocean, I used vmware in windows, the thing is I don't really want to mess to much with it...never used int i linux...
[18:40] <x1250> download the package from virtualbox.org (gutys package) first.
[18:41] <Jorl17> BTW i'm on hardy
[18:41] <x1250> I know
[18:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
[18:41] <Jorl17> ok
[18:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[18:41] <Jorl17> i'm going there
[18:41] <Fraeon> dwatson_: is this a common problem and can it happen when the OS is just installed?
[18:42] <dwatson_> Fraeon, it happened to me a while back
[18:42] <dwatson_> I  Just make sure you are up to date on all of your packages after you get on your wireless
[18:42] <DanaG> Ooh, nspluginwrapper for i386.
[18:42] <DanaG> Finally fixes that damn crashing.
[18:43] <Jorl17> guess I have to add  deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian gutsy non-free  to /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:43] <x1250> Jorl17: not necesary, you can dowload the package itself
[18:44] <Jorl17> how (i'm sorry, as I said, started using linux short time and I'm still...slow)
[18:44] <x1250> Jorl17: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.5.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[18:44] <x1250> just select the platform from the dropdown, agree license and continue
[18:45] <Jorl17> yes, ok thanks, i was there, didn't see the option to download ^^
[18:46] <Jorl17> oh, let me just install java...
[18:46] <nemo> savvas: ah. I thought that was a question :-p
[18:46] <nemo> savvas: certainly the grammar was ambiguous
[18:46] <x1250> Jorl17: you'll need to install libxerces27 and libxalan110. Virtualbox depends on them.
[18:47] <Jorl17> ok, i'm installing them with apt-get
[18:48] <^Ocean^> any one had a problem with the new kernel not booting ?
[18:48] <Jorl17> I am yet to know, haven't rebooted yet
[18:48] <cycom> Anyone else have suspend to ram work on the livecd, but immediately after install, not working?
[18:49] <cycom> drivin me crazy.
[18:49] <^Ocean^> cycom: The suspusnd feature is broken
[18:50] <cycom> ^Ocean^: what do you mean?
[18:50] <cycom> ^Ocean^: my symptoms are basically the system comes back with no keyboard and display, but I can ssh in, kill Xorg, and it comes back.
[18:51] <cycom> ^Ocean^: top shows Xorg using 100% CPU as well.
[18:51] <^Ocean^> Hibernation does not work in a Wubi installation. Even if this option is available on the desktop, you should avoid using it.
[18:51] <W8TAH> if one wants to un-install a program AND all the deps it pulled in - -how does one accomplish this?
[18:52] <x1250> aptitude should do that for you
[18:52] <Daviey> Hi, is there a problem with network manager atm? (intel 3945ABG)
[18:52] <W8TAH> ive never used aptitude - how would one do so?
[18:52] <cycom> ^Ocean^: hibernation works fine, and I'm notusing wubi...
[18:52] <W8TAH> i installed the package kopete-kde4
[18:52] <^Ocean^> Ah
[18:52] <Lamego> W8TAH, just use sudo apt-get autoremove (after removing the package)
[18:52] <^Ocean^> sorry <-- just woke up
[18:52] <x1250> aptitude remove package, or aptitude purge package, if you want to delete the config files also
[18:53] <W8TAH> thanks
[18:53] <cycom> ^Ocean^: It's just suspend, and only after I install.  There are literally no differences in the files in /etc/ on the livecd and and the files in /etc/ on the hard disc install other than normal stuff, like added users and /etc/fstab
[18:54] <^Ocean^> cycom:  Try useing an older kernel ?
[18:54] <cycom> ^Ocean^: same kernel as the livecd
[18:54] <Jorl17> could someone tell me where firefox comes installed as default?
[18:54] <cycom> ^Ocean^: I've run no updates.  Before, I had a fully updated system.  I just reinstalled.
[18:54] <Jorl17> i knew that...3 days ago...now i can't remember
[18:54] <cycom> ^Ocean^: the fully updated system had the same problem.
[18:55] <cycom> Identical, in fact.
[18:55] <^Ocean^> russ@Aqualung:/lib/modules$ which firefox
[18:55] <^Ocean^> /usr/bin/firefox
[18:56] <^Ocean^> cycom, hmm im out of ideas, i have never goten suspend too work for me ever
[18:56] <Jorl17> hm...can't find firefox there
[18:56] <cycom> It's the darndest thing.  On the livecd, I hit suspend, and it suspends happily, just as it does in the full install.  When I resume, the livecd quickly returns to X, but the install does not...
[18:56] <Jorl17> strange
[18:56] <x1250> Jorl17: try $ locate firefox  | grep "\/usr"
[18:57] <^Ocean^> Jorl17: type which firefox
[18:57] <praboy> Hi
[18:57] <x1250> I guess he doesn't mean the firefox binary
[18:57] <Jorl17> oh yes thats it
[18:57] <Jorl17> i mean the directory where the plugins folder is
[18:57] <cycom> I just suspended and resumed from the livecd, and it didn't even drop my ssh session :/
[18:58] <Jorl17> because all those commands directed me to /use/bin/firefox^^
[18:58] <jbroome> ssh is awesome that way
[18:58] <cycom> jbroome: true that :)
[18:58] <^Ocean^> Jorl17, Plug ins are usuealy in ur home directory
[18:59] <Jorl17> now this is messing me: cd <Firefox installation directory>/plugins
[18:59] <Jorl17> why can't I just find it arg
[18:59] <^Ocean^> Jorl17, ~/.mozilla/plugins
[18:59] <Jorl17> thankyou all that was it
[19:00] <praboy> Hi
[19:00] <praboy> i'm on Ubuntu 8.04. My motherboard is Asus M3A. The audio chipset is ALC883, and i cant hear. i speak spanish
[19:00] <Fraeon_> Sadly, the only Spanish I know is Rammstein lyrics: "te quiero puta"
[19:00] <^Ocean^> praboy : try "sudo alsaconf"
[19:01] <x1250> I know spanish, but he seems to know english, so...
[19:01] <^Ocean^> i thought Rammstein was German ?
[19:01] <Fraeon_> Rammstein is German, yes
[19:01] <Fraeon_> But they have a song in Spanish :P
[19:01] <^Ocean^> lol
[19:01] <x1250> :)
[19:02] <praboy> i'm am compiling the latest version of ALSA
[19:02] <x1250> praboy: did sound worked on the live-cd?
[19:02] <praboy> i didn't test it
[19:02] <^Ocean^> did you try running alsaconf ?
[19:03] <praboy> now, i am compiling the latest version of ALSA
[19:03] <x1250> are you sure its not a volume control issue?
[19:03] <praboy> yers
[19:03] <praboy> yes
[19:03] <praboy> well
[19:03] <praboy> wait a minute
[19:03] <^Ocean^> id try running alsoconf before recompileing it
[19:03] <praboy> i am doing it now
[19:04] <^Ocean^> also are  u sure u have the permissions set right :)
[19:04] <praboy> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[19:04] <praboy> :S
[19:04] <^Ocean^> id also try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[19:04] <DanaG> Wait, another possible cause of audio issues: PulseAudio.
[19:04]  * cycom sighs
[19:05] <cycom> I just don't get this
[19:05] <cycom> why would suspend work fine on a livecd, then after installing to hard disk, not work?
[19:05] <^Ocean^> cycom, hmm, maybe a bad sector on the hard drive  ?
[19:05] <praboy> i installed Ubuntu from VMWARE
[19:05] <praboy> on Windows
[19:05] <Fraeon_> Okay, so running Xubuntu 8.04, and I can't connect to my wireless router
[19:05] <cycom> ^Ocean^: It's using the same swap space for suspend
[19:06] <praboy> because a didnt have any DVD
[19:06] <praboy> i can try reinstalling Ubuntu
[19:06] <praboy> from a DVD
[19:06] <x1250> praboy: you're running ubuntu on vmare and dont have sound in there?
[19:06] <praboy> no
[19:06] <praboy> i'm running ubuntu native
[19:06] <x1250> ok
[19:06] <cycom> ^Ocean^: actually, it's suspending to ram anyhow...
[19:06] <praboy> but i installed ubuntu from VMWARE
[19:06] <cycom> ^Ocean^: and don't forget, it resumes, just Xorg and keyboard don't work unless I kill them and restart them.
[19:06] <cycom> ^Ocean^: I can still ssh in
[19:07] <Fraeon_> I don't know whether I have an issue with keyrings (can't find them), but for one, the wireless worked when I briefly disabled WPA. When WPA is disabled, however, it refuses the password even though it's correct (using the same password on 2 other machines).
[19:07] <^Ocean^> hmm, are u sure you dont just have too switch back too the right terminal ?
[19:08] <Fraeon_> Sorry, "when WPA is enabled"
[19:08] <Fraeon_> on the second sentence
[19:08] <^Ocean^> alt+f7 or f8 ?
[19:08] <praboy> i dont kown what i can do
[19:08] <cycom> ^Ocean^: tried it :/ keyboard is completely unresponsive
[19:09] <x1250> praboy: take a look to log files on /var/log
[19:09] <^Ocean^> but when you kill X  the keybored comes back >?
[19:09] <cycom> ^Ocean^: yup.
[19:09] <x1250> $ dmesg also can say something
[19:09] <cycom> ^Ocean^: and remember, Xorg is using 100% cpu
[19:09] <cycom> ^Ocean^: this is regardless of graphics driver.  I've used ati, vesa, and fglrx, all with identical results.
[19:10] <praboy> i can reinstall Ubuntu
[19:10] <praboy> from a CD
[19:10] <praboy> what do you think?
[19:10] <x1250> praboy: better try a live-cd and see if you got sound in there
[19:10] <praboy> Ok
[19:10] <praboy> Thanks x1250 ! ;)
[19:10] <x1250> if yes, then reinstall, or debug it, whatever it fits you :P
[19:10] <^Ocean^> cycom, hmm,  id try an older kernel just too be suure
[19:10] <cycom> Fraeon_: what driver are you using for wireless?
[19:11] <praboy> ok
[19:11] <praboy> Thanks
[19:11] <cycom> ^Ocean^: like I said, it's the exact same kernel version from the liveCD XD
[19:11] <Fraeon_> Whatever came by default in Xubuntu
[19:11] <praboy> "Chau y muchas gracias !!!"
[19:11] <Fraeon_> How do I check that?
[19:11] <x1250> chao praboy que estes bien :P
[19:11] <cycom> ^Ocean^: diff says they are identical!
[19:11] <praboy> :P
[19:11] <^Ocean^> id try an older one anyhow
[19:12] <cycom> ^Ocean^: you mean like a gutsy kernel?
[19:12] <^Ocean^> yeah
[19:13] <Fraeon_> Hmh, I'll try switching sticks whether that helps
[19:14] <a_l_e> hello. can anybody help me, getting xorg to recognise my monitor/graphic card? i can use it with gnome, but the X11 configuration file is "empty"
[19:15] <a_l_e> i have a  Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 with (from dmesg) a 965GM chipset
[19:15] <x1250> a_l_e: try # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:15] <^Ocean^> if you can use it whats the problem ??
[19:16] <x1250> it shouldn't be empty, AFAIK
[19:16] <^Ocean^> the new x.org has a pritty empty config file
[19:16] <x1250> yeah but pretty empty != empty
[19:16] <a_l_e> x1250: it's not empty.... but there is nothing "special in it..."
[19:16] <hwilde> what is apt doing between when it prints "Reading state information.. Done"  and the next prompt?  It is taking forever
[19:16] <^Ocean^> a_l_e: Is Xwindows functioning ?
[19:16] <x1250> ok, then its working a_l_e
[19:16] <a_l_e> x1250: empty != "empty"
[19:17] <gunashekar> my gnome panels freeze after recent update
[19:17] <a_l_e> x1250: it's working, but gdm gets the wrong resolution
[19:17] <^Ocean^> thats a gdm issue then :)
[19:17] <x1250> try adding vertical and horizontal refresh rates a_l_e
[19:17] <x1250> read your monitor's manual
[19:19] <gunashekar> anyone can suggest how to troubleshoot the problem (gnome panels freeze after a while and am not able to do anything except work in the current window)
[19:19] <a_l_e> and when i start another window manager i have the feeling that it doesn't use the full resolution (i'm not sure, since i've never used this monitor and computer before...)
[19:19] <x1250> a_l_e: probably refresh rates missing...
[19:19] <b4l74z4r> correction: it seem that the latest updates haven't resolved horizontal tearing in videos in totem when compiz is enabled after all
[19:20] <x1250> b4l74z4r: fglrx?
[19:20] <b4l74z4r> nvidia geforce 8800gt, latest drivers
[19:20] <hwilde> could someone please try this command:   apt-get remove --purge belocs-locales-bin
[19:21] <x1250> :O, I thought that was an ati only issue
[19:21] <a_l_e> i'll try to add the refresh rates...
[19:23] <binarical-ap1> hwilde: it works !!!
[19:24] <binarical-ap1> dpkg - warning: while removing language-pack-en-base, directory `/var/lib/locales/supported.d' not empty so not removed.
[19:24] <binarical-ap1> dpkg - warning: while removing language-pack-en-base, directory `/var/lib/locales' not empty so not removed.
[19:24] <hwilde> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:24] <hwilde>   locales: Depends: belocs-locales-bin (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed
[19:24] <hwilde> E: Broken packages
[19:24] <binarical-ap1> r wise it worked jusothet fine
[19:24] <hwilde> why does it care about dependencies if i'm telling it remove --purge
[19:25] <a_l_e> is there a way to know the resolution used by X11
[19:25] <binarical-ap1> perhaps its a but in the language pack
[19:25] <Fraeon_> For whatever reason, switching sticks helped
[19:25] <binarical-ap1> *bug
[19:25] <Fraeon_> Both have drivers for Windows, so I'm not complaining, though
[19:26] <binarical-ap1> i dont know
[19:26] <Fraeon_> It's just picking whether you want your apps half-translated from Dutch or Chinese
[19:26] <x1250> hwilde, that looks ok to me...
[19:27] <Fraeon_> I wish I were kidding
[19:27] <hwilde> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63554/
[19:27] <dwidmann> Is there any good way to track down the cause of a system hanging?
[19:27] <x1250> locales
[19:27] <x1250> Depends: belocs-locales-bin (>= 2.4-2.2ubuntu2), tzdata
[19:27] <jose> hi, i'm having problems with hardy. I keep seening ata exceptions at the dmesg, new motherboard and new drive, could it be the kernel?
[19:27] <b4l74z4r> the tearing in totem seem to be related to me launching a game in wine while totem was on pause; when i quit the game and restarted totem there were no more tearing
[19:28] <jose> i've seen this errors with differnt hard disk
[19:28] <binarical-ap1> b4l74z4r: ive had similar issues with compiz while useing wine games and vlc
[19:29] <b4l74z4r> ok
[19:30] <binarical-ap1> blue screens ...... flashing screens..... i got rid of compiz now, everything seems to be running okay
[19:30] <hwilde> dwidmann, did you get all the updates
[19:30] <b4l74z4r> perhaps some conflicting vsync settings
[19:30] <x1250> try adding Option "TextureVideo" "On", or "Off" (I dont remember) to section device
[19:30] <dwidmann> hwilde: most of them .... I'm just trying to track down the cause of the hang ... can't file a bug if I don't know what did it.
[19:31] <x1250> I _think_ I used that on my laptop and videos got fixed. Although my problem was flickering
[19:31] <orvokki> Hmm, appears there is an /etc/init.d/pulseaudio. Maybe it's possible to disable it after all.
[19:32] <hwilde> dwidmann,  you should get all of the updates...  the syslog doesn't provide any clues?
[19:33] <a_l_e> ^Ocean^, x1250: mmmh... 915resolution seems to be a way to go... "let's" try it!
[19:34] <jose> i've rebooted to test this hd problem with gutsy, but gutsy won't even boot
[19:35] <jose> i've also tried with and without achi, but no luck. any idea?
[19:36] <hwilde> do you get an error or anything
[19:36] <jose> i get ata exceptions on dmesg and syslog
[19:36] <hwilde> how do you see dmesg or syslog if it "won't boot"
[19:37] <jose> gutsy won't boot, hardy boots and behaves more or less ok, but it freezes
[19:38] <binarical-ap1> i think hes talking about a boot screen .....erorrs
[19:38] <Jorl17> Hello, I'm back, sorry but I had some problems and Had to disconnect
[19:38] <hwilde> jose, did you get all the updates ?
[19:38] <x1250> jose: did you try fsck on the drive?
[19:38] <Jorl17> i'm downloading the virtualbox .deb package...
[19:39] <a_l_e> :-( i don't have the feeling that it got the right resolution. but i don't konw a way to test it...
[19:39] <Lamego> Jorl17, virtualbox is available on the repositories
[19:39] <jose> i was working with a hardy install up to date, but the main partition filesystem has died, now i'm booting with a live-cd in and a different hd
[19:39] <x1250> Lamego: virtualbox-ose is on the repos
[19:39] <orvokki> Yays, just found out the right way to disable PulseAudio. :)
[19:39] <Lamego> ops :P
[19:39] <hwilde> a_l_e, download a picture from google and you can see the image resolution and then see if it looks right
[19:40] <jose> i've found some related bugs in ubuntu bugs, but nothing to clear.
[19:40] <richard> sharing broken in the current beta, right?
[19:41] <x1250> jose, try useing smart on your drive
[19:41] <x1250> aptitude search smartmontools
[19:41] <x1250> search google on how to use it
[19:41] <jose> what's smart?
[19:41] <x1250> it will test your drive for problems
[19:41] <jose> i will thaks
[19:41] <jaffarkelshac> is there speed control for movie player? mine is playing in slow motion and i dont remember ding that
[19:41] <a_l_e> ok, found a way to know the resolution... and it's not the right one.
[19:41] <x1250> a_l_e: whats your monitor?
[19:41] <a_l_e> ... the monitor is telling it under the information on screen menu
[19:42] <a_l_e> syncmaster 2043bw
[19:42] <x1250> and the correct resolution doesn't appear?
[19:43] <x1250> jose, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Monitor_your_hard_disk(s)_with_smartmontools
[19:43] <jose> thanks
[19:43] <a_l_e> x1250: in gnome yes (i had to fight to set it through system/preferences/screen resolution)
[19:43] <a_l_e> ... but if i start a second xsession, i get the wrong ones.
[19:44] <x1250> uhm, strange.
[19:44] <Jorl17> x1250, when you get free, I'll be installing the package now
[19:45] <x1250> go on, try dpkg -i with it
[19:45] <x1250> see if it complains about missing dependencies
[19:47] <Arand> what project should one file bugs in suspend-wakeup against?
[19:48] <hwilde> where are my "locale" settings and how do I check them :/
[19:48] <HIC> do the daily cd builds work good?
[19:48] <Jorl17> well, it's installed
[19:48] <jose> hi, smartctl -H says that the disk is healthy, but the errors in dmesg are still there
[19:50] <jose> any other idea, I think that it could be a kernel problem, do you think that's likely?
[19:50] <x1250> jose, make sure you have linux-headers-`uname -r` installed
[19:50] <Jorl17> ok, so how do i get my windows os here now?
[19:50] <Jorl17> i'm in virtualbox already
[19:50] <x1250> ok, but you must do some things first.
[19:51] <x1250> add your user to vboxusers
[19:51] <x1250> # adduser your_user vboxusers
[19:51] <jose> i've have no linux-headers installed, because i'm on a live-cd, my main system died because of this.
[19:51] <x1250> aah, jose, sorry, that was not for you :$
[19:52] <x1250> it was for Jorl17
[19:52] <jose> ;)
[19:52] <Jorl17> done
[19:52] <x1250> Ok, you'll have to reboot now
[19:52] <hwilde> reboot?  this is linux
[19:53] <Jorl17> ok
[19:53] <x1250> yep, maybe there is another way, but I don't know it.
[19:53] <Jorl17> reboot or logoff and login?
[19:53] <x1250> reboot
[19:53] <Jorl17> ok
[19:53] <Jorl17> brb
[19:54] <a_l_e> mmmh... i'll try to ask in the xorg channel...
[19:55] <Centaur5> Which directory would I purge to delete all the settings in Kontact?  I already tried .kde/share/apps/kmail
[19:56] <Jorl17> i'm back and rebooted
[19:57] <x1250> ok, you'll have to make a new virtual machine, there is new button in the toolbar
[19:57] <Jorl17> ok i'm there
[19:57] <Jorl17> i select a name, select windows xp and move on right?
[19:58] <x1250> yep, go on
[19:58] <Jorl17> ok, so i'm now in the harddisk selection
[19:59] <x1250> you'll have to create a new hard disk
[19:59] <Jorl17> dynamic or fix?
[19:59] <Jorl17> this will allow me to share files right? and use my existent xp right?
[20:00] <x1250> Uhm, nope, this will be a brand new xp installation. I don't know if virtualbox can use an existing partition... google it
[20:00] <x1250> I dont have a separate windows partition, so I dont know that
[20:01] <Jorl17> erm...ok but waht I meant was actually using my existing partition...hm...ok let's move on then
[20:01] <Jorl17> ill choose a dynamic
[20:02] <x1250> Jorl17: see if this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603003
[20:02] <Jorl17> ok, so now it's just putting the cd in and so, I think i can handle myself from now, thanks!
[20:02] <Jorl17> ok i'm opening it
[20:03] <edajai> i just made a bootable usb disk of hardy n booted to it.. bu ti can't c my windows partition in the manual partition option while installing
[20:04] <hwilde> when I use apt for anything, it tells me   perl: warning: Setting locale failed
[20:04] <edajai> is this a bug in the hardy installer?
[20:04] <hwilde> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings are supported and installed on your system
[20:05] <hwilde> locale:  Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[20:05] <mrtimdog> The gconf key '/system/smb/workgroup'. Which app is used to set this, if any?
[20:05] <hwilde> but I checked with dpkg and it says perl and locale are all installed
[20:06] <bullgard4> [Tracker] Why does Tracker return results with 'track' and 'cdrom_count_tracks' although I searched for the 'tracker' catchword?
[20:06] <mrtimdog> hwilde: Use 'locale -a' to list installed locales.
[20:06] <hwilde> mrtimdog, locale:  Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[20:06] <x1250> hwilde, if I'm not mistaken, you'll have to check if you got language-pack-en-base and language-pack-en, but I'm not sure
[20:07] <hwilde> mrtimdog, locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale:  No such file or directory
[20:07] <hwilde> mrtimdog, then at the bottom it says   C    POSIX
[20:08] <mrtimdog> hwilde: Try installing 'language-support-en'. You've only the 'C' locale installed.
[20:08] <hwilde> but that includes 30MB of stuff like open office and all this other junk
[20:09] <mrtimdog> hwilde: Or, whichever language you're after, it doesn't have to be ...-en.
[20:09] <tatster> Hi all.  I downloaded the server version of 8.04 beta about a week or so ago and have popped it on a test box.  Will I need to do much once the full release occurs, or will any updates come down with a normal apt-get update ?
[20:09] <hwilde> why does language-support-en include openoffice ??
[20:09] <hwilde> and mozilla thunderbird
[20:09] <hwilde> I don't even have these things installed
[20:09] <x1250> hwilde, crappy dependencies if you aks me, that shouldn't be like that, but packagers call IMO
[20:09] <x1250> but/bad
[20:10] <mrtimdog> hwilde: Try just 'language-pack-en'.
[20:10] <hwilde> it's going to take up 285MB of diskspace
[20:10] <hwilde> mrtimdog, I did that...   "apt-get install language-pack-en"
[20:10] <Jorl17> Hey, i think it worked!
[20:10] <x1250> Jorl17: with your existing partition?
[20:11] <edajai> i cudn't c my windows partition while installing ubuntu hardy
[20:11] <Jorl17> well, i'm trying, it found my bootloader
[20:11] <Jorl17> selected winxp but it isn't booting
[20:11] <x1250> hwilde, take a look to $ aptitude show language-pack-en, to see depends
[20:11] <Jorl17> i'll try and fix these things
[20:12] <hwilde> it's including aspell, libcurl, gtk stuff, xwindows stuff, open office, whiptail, wbritish...  I don't need this stuff
[20:12] <keanu> is there any reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-all?
[20:12] <edajai> it showed my 160 gb hdd as a whole free space
[20:12] <x1250> yeah, bad packager (lazy one) call
[20:13] <hwilde> I guess that explains how I lost my locale tho, when I removed open office
[20:14] <DanaG> edajai: try installing TestDisk on your Ubuntu, and run it on the hard drive.
[20:14] <DanaG> It's a utility that can "magically" fix partition tables.
[20:14] <x1250> It happened the same to me on my laptop, but I managed somehow to get locales and not have wbritish and family... I get my laptop back in a couple of days, I'll see then how I have it there
[20:14] <edajai> oh.. apt-get testdisk will do right?
[20:15] <Jorl17> hm it's booting now
[20:15] <Jorl17> reread part of the document and found my flaw
[20:15] <Jorl17> here it is my modded windows xp booting :)
[20:15] <keanu> anyone know why -alsa is installed by default instead of -all or -pulseaudio?
[20:15] <x1250> Jorl17: great :)
[20:16] <x1250> keanu: gutsy upgrade?
[20:16] <hwilde> advanced linux sound architecture rules
[20:16] <keanu> x1250, nope, new install
[20:16] <macogw> hardy's supposed to go all-SVG now instead of using pngs for everything, right?
[20:16] <macogw> like for icons and all
[20:17] <keanu> from what i've seen, programs using libsdl that require sound will either segfault or not output sound without that package
[20:17] <macogw> how do you make svgs go with xdg-icon-resource.   the internet says xdg-icon-resource doesnt support svg
[20:18] <keanu> however, some programs such as the rockbox simulator aren't available in deb form and therefore can't have libsdl1.2debian-all or -pulseaudio as a dependency, and would segfaults when trying to play music
[20:18] <keanu> i was just wondering if there's a reason (other than the package being overlooked) as to why libsdl1.2debian-all or -pulseaudio aren't installed by default
[20:19] <x1250> keanu: are any of those two packages needed by any other ubuntu package installed by default on a clean hardy installation?
[20:20] <keanu> x1250, if you can tell me a way to search for default packages requiring either of those, i can check
[20:20] <bastid_raZor> if gutsy is the current OS i have.. can the LiveCD be used to upgrade or do i still need to get the alternateCD?
[20:21] <macogw> bastid_raZor: alternate or internet
[20:21] <bastid_raZor> macogw; will the LiveCD ever be able to upgrade?
[20:21] <macogw> i doubt it
[20:21] <keanu> x1250, but since pulseaudio is the default sound system, it would seem as if libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio should be used by default instead of -alsa
[20:22] <macogw> maybe if they got rid of wubi and the foss-for-windows thats on it
[20:22] <bastid_raZor> okay, possibly are the LiveCD and alternate going to be combined?
[20:22] <macogw> the DVD has them combined
[20:22] <bastid_raZor> okay, that helps.
[20:22] <a_l_e> x1250, ^Ocean^: if you think it could help, i've summerized here my current tries: http://www.ideale.ch/computer/man/minipc.html
[20:22] <bastid_raZor> then technically if i have the DVD i can upgrade from 7.10
[20:23] <macogw> the packages just dont fit, i think.  the livecd doesnt really do things apt-like...its more of a disk image copy thing
[20:23] <macogw> i think so, yes
[20:24] <bastid_raZor> reason i ask is when upgraded to 7.10 i was trying to keep my /home which on a seperate partition but the migration assistant failed.. mainly i want a fresh install of 8.04 and keep my current /home .. i was unable to do this in 7.10 (migration assistant failure)
[20:25] <afallenhope> hey everything jsut froze on me... I can't click anywhere...
[20:25] <x1250> keanu: maybe $ grep -r "Depends" /var/lib/apt/lists | grep package_here
[20:25] <x1250> untested
[20:25] <afallenhope> running ubuntu 8.04 hardy heron
[20:25] <hwilde> afallenhope, is your mouse unplugged from the usb port
[20:25] <linkinxp> hi
[20:26] <afallenhope> hwilde: no... it works.. i mean I can't click on anything.. I went to adjust the time...
[20:26] <afallenhope> and it froze
[20:26] <gunashekar> afallenhope: is it that only your panels are frozen .. can you work on the open applications?
[20:26] <hwilde> afallenhope, metacity --replace
[20:27] <afallenhope> gunashekar: yeah the panels are all frozen but I have this open
[20:27] <afallenhope> I don't know if I can load a terminal window even
[20:27] <gunashekar> afallenhope: yes the problem is same as mine... related to the gnome clock... after i set the weather
[20:28] <x1250> a_l_e: maybe there is some special xorg package for your display driver.
[20:28] <afallenhope> okay... how do I fix it
[20:28] <afallenhope> lol
[20:28] <x1250> Right now using vesa driver?
[20:28] <gunashekar> afallenhope: wish i knew.. some ppl suggest disabling the calender in evolution.. dunno how to do that
[20:29] <afallenhope> gunashekar: I don't even know how to go to the account configuration page in evolutions
[20:29] <gunashekar> afallenhope: some others suggest crtl-alt-backspc and this makes the panels disappear
[20:30] <gunashekar> so i have to restart again after that
[20:30] <gunashekar> everything works fine as long as i dont touch the clock/calendar/weather
[20:30] <jose> hi, again! i've realized that my problem with the ata exceptions maybe related with ncq, do you know how to disable ncq?
[20:30] <afallenhope> lol.
[20:31] <pheld> does anyone know what's wrong with the nvidia-driver on 8000-cards?  The driver from the hardy-repo gives pinkish shadows around windows and menus. The same version driver from nvidia.com compiled and installed manually shows no such problem.
[20:31] <x1250> jose, whats ncq?
[20:31] <gunashekar> afallenhope: my problems dont end there with hardy
[20:32] <jose> from wikipedia: "Native Command Queuing (NCQ) is a technology designed to increase performance of SATA hard disks"
[20:32] <jadams> alright, so I'm running hardy.  In the past I was running non-ubuntu-derived nvidia drivers.  Now I'd like to use the ubuntu sanctioned ones.  Can anyone give me a clue how I would go about this?
[20:33] <jose> it seems that some disks do not support ncq, but they say they do. They can be blacklisted patching the kernel, but i'm no in the mood.
[20:33] <jose> I think i read somewhere that there's a way to dissable ncq without recompiling the kernel, but i just don't remember...
[20:34] <strabes> this has probably been asked a million times today, but there's nothing in the topic about it, so when is the release candidate coming out?
[20:34] <Lamego> tomorrow
[20:35] <strabes> it still says apr. 17 on the release schedule...?
[20:35] <keanu> x1250, the only package that depends on libsdl1.2debian-* is libsdl1.2debian, in which case, wouldn't that mean that there wouldn't be a problem with switching the default of -alsa with -pulseaudio or -all?
[20:36] <jadams> x1250, hate that graphics card much/
[20:36] <x1250> :)
[20:36] <jose> i've just found how to know if ncq is on. cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth
[20:36] <jadams> do you have a Toshiba?
[20:37] <jadams> x1250, I've got the Toshiba Satellite that has both that card as well as a weirdo unsupported internal usb wireless card...it's so wonky
[20:37] <jadams> instabilities between those two drivers cause me no end of trouble
[20:37] <jadams> Anyway, no one knows how to uninstall my nvidia drivers so I can use ubuntu's supported stuff?
[20:39] <x1250> jadams: it works ok in here, I can play nexuiz, and thats enough for me :)
[20:39] <x1250> also compiz works awesome :)
[20:39] <kreative> So the other day I updated to 8.04 beta and now for some reason when I try to load XP, it asks for a disckcheck, which goes smootly, then i just get a screen with the default background, and no login interface. what gives?
[20:40] <jadams> x1250, it works so so for me...the graphics are nice, but the stability isn't there
[20:40] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi
[20:40] <Redhammer_the_Ol> will rc be out today
[20:40] <x1250> jadams: what are your problems?
[20:40] <Redhammer_the_Ol> ?
[20:40] <pheld> jadams: the nvidia-package has an uninstall option
[20:41] <x1250> jose
[20:41] <pheld> ex: sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run --uninstall
[20:41] <kreative> anyone have a solution?
[20:41] <x1250> jose, found it here: http://linux-ata.org/faq.html
[20:41] <jadams> pheld, thanks a ton
[20:42] <josh04> Anyone know why my brightness keys have abandonned me lately? Other hotkeys, fine. Brightness does nothing, still registers in /var/log/acpid though
[20:46] <Arand> !repeat
[20:46] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[20:47] <hwilde> !keytouch | josh04
[20:47] <ubotu> josh04: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[20:48] <Arand> oh sorry wasn't meant for anybody
[20:48] <x1250> ping jose
[20:49] <x1250> aaa he left
[20:49] <cvd-pr> any havong problems wiht the aupdates of openoffice?
[20:49] <Arand> what project should one file bugs in suspend-wakeup against?
[20:49] <cvd-pr> its say cant fetch all the updates of openoffice
[20:49] <cvd-pr> any having the same problem?
[20:50] <kreative> no0tic, but i keep getting open office updates everytime i try to update.
[20:51] <murlidhar> has the release candidate 1 been released?
[20:51] <josh04> hwilde: I don't think it's the keyboard layout, the key presses register in acpid as VideoBrightnessUp/Down, just nothing happens : /
[20:51] <josh04> Arand: You mean like, sleep and hibernate?
[20:51] <x1250> murlidhar: topic says beta
[20:52] <cvd-pr> can someone check this please!  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63565/
[20:52] <hwilde> josh04,  did you try the keytouch package ?
[20:52] <murlidhar> x1250: yes but i saw in some blog that release candidate has been released but i couldn't the iso anywhere. that's why i was asking .  Thanks
[20:53] <cvd-pr> ?
[20:53] <bullgard4> [Tracker] Why does Tracker return results with 'track' and 'cdrom_count_tracks' although I searched for the 'tracker' catchword?
[20:54] <cvd-pr> hey
[20:55] <murlidhar> x1250: http://cybernetnews.com/2008/04/17/daily-downloads-firefox-feeddemon-and-more/
[20:55] <kreative> how can i clean my grub screen up
[20:56] <murlidhar> kreative: my best bet would be startup-manager
[20:57]  * murlidhar is not sure when beta would make his internet work by default
[20:57] <x1250> kreative: clean it == delete old kernel boot lines?
[20:57] <kreative> startup-manager works with 8.04
[20:58] <kreative> that was a question by the way.
[20:58] <murlidhar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[20:58] <murlidhar> what does this mean
[20:58] <peeps[work]> i am trying to run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" , and it goes to a text mode, where the last line says "* Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)       [ OK ]"      but it seems stuck here
[20:58] <murlidhar> hasn't the RC released?
[20:58] <peeps[work]> anyone know what might be the issue?
[20:59] <murlidhar> peeps[work]: does ctrl+alt+backspace work ?
[21:00] <peeps[work]> murlidhar, yes, but i am writing a script which i need this command to work for
[21:00] <x1250> kreative: is that a package?
[21:00] <cvd-pr> Why the hell openjdk is in the ubuntu-updates?
[21:00] <savvas> murlidhar: tomorrow
[21:00] <x1250> you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst tho
[21:00] <kreative> x1250, ill just do that.
[21:00] <murlidhar> savvas: thanks
[21:00] <kreative> thanks
[21:00] <cvd-pr> i dont want it
[21:00] <peeps[work]> murlidhar, it toggles between dual monitor and single monitor xorg.conf files
[21:00] <murlidhar> oh ok
[21:01] <peeps[work]> i'm trying to make the process as simple as possible, to switch these two modes
[21:02] <b4l74z4r> i run konversation in ubuntu hardy and each time i connect to a server, a taskbar entry pops up reading "launching knotify", it stays for a few seconds, then goes away, anyone got any idea what that's all about?
[21:02] <Arand> josh04: yea, specifically the wakeup process from suspend, do you know which project(s) handling that?
[21:02] <bahamada> Hi, I upgraded from Gutsy yesterday to Hardy RC and just wondering where the red line in the main menu is. In the beta it was still there..
[21:02] <bahamada> The red vertical line on the left
[21:02] <x1250> lol
[21:03] <x1250> the theme? it isn't there anymore, it looked cool though
[21:03] <bahamada> don't know if it is a part of the theme...
[21:03] <bahamada> but I really was keen on that look
[21:04] <juliank> x1250: Murrine theme is back again since 0.15
[21:04] <x1250> Well, yep I don't know either, just assumed
[21:04] <bahamada> juliank: have murrine active
[21:04] <bahamada> and the mouse over looks the same
[21:04] <juliank> Two days after it was removed in 0.14
[21:05] <bahamada> but only the red vertical bar is missing
[21:05] <juliank> bahamada: This part seems to be gone
[21:05] <bahamada> how can I get it back? :)
[21:05] <x1250> lol
[21:05] <juliank> I didn't like it
[21:05] <peeps[work]> is there some way to tell what it is stuck on?
[21:05] <bahamada> I like
[21:05] <peeps[work]> i am able to switch to a TTY while it sits there
[21:06] <x1250> I loved it, but since its gone I changed to Murrine Compact from gnome-look.org
[21:06] <x1250> awesome theme, dark and light versions
[21:06] <bahamada> take a look into it
[21:07] <bahamada> hmm
[21:08] <bahamada> I don't like to small lines. Thats what I like on the human themes
[21:08] <bahamada> the fat lines
[21:08] <bahamada> It looks more solid
[21:09] <x1250> padding for menus options? I prefer small menus
[21:09] <x1250> once you get used to it, you'll never get back :P
[21:10] <x1250> but its an odd sensation at the beginning
[21:10] <josh04> Arand: pm-utils is your best bet, i think.
[21:10] <bahamada> for example in the firefox the drop-down arrow in teh adress bar is to thin
[21:10] <bahamada> but in the normal human the menus to ugly
[21:10] <bahamada> :(
[21:11] <x1250> yeah, I thought the same way bahamada, but now I'm a better person, this theme improves your humanity. Try out for a couple of days, heh
[21:11] <Alan_M> Question:when is the RC of hardy supposed to be?
[21:12] <bahamada> ok I will give it a try
[21:12] <bahamada> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Murrine+Compact?content=78182 this?
[21:12] <tacone> with hardy I sometimes experience system freezes. (nothing to do, power button or alt+sysrq+reis..). how to debug ? what logs should I read ?
[21:13] <cvd-pr> estoy esperando
[21:13] <peter77> after uninstalling kde it is still in the list at login when I choose a different DM, how can I remove it from the list?
[21:14] <x1250> bahamada: yep. I'm using Murrine Compact Dark Human, its good for my eyes. Pretty awesome theme once you get used to it. This theme plus compiz == excellent
[21:14] <peeps[work]> what runlevel does X run in on Ubuntu?
[21:15] <bahamada> x1250: where do I get dark human
[21:15] <bahamada> murrine colors?
[21:15] <cvd-pr> How to go in text mode?
[21:15] <peeps[work]> someone told me /etc/init.d/gdm needs to be run at the correct runlevel?
[21:15] <cvd-pr> ctrl +????
[21:15] <bahamada> ok
[21:15] <bahamada> allright
[21:15] <x1250> bahamada: nope, the download link provides a tar.gz with several themes in one package
[21:15] <x1250> download link: http://gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=78182&id=1&tan=98330719
[21:15] <bahamada> I have seen it
[21:16] <bahamada> was to slow
[21:16] <bahamada> ;)
[21:16] <bahamada> pretty cool
[21:16] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here
[21:16] <bahamada> x1250: maybe needs some time to get used to it
[21:16] <bahamada> but I like it
[21:17] <eagles0513875> im trying to download gnome so i can help bug fix gnome bugs but for some reason i get this weird message when using apt-get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/
[21:17] <x1250> bahamada: yep, couple of days and then switch back to the "normal" theme, and you'll say, "OMG, I want my dark murrine again right now"
[21:18] <bahamada> x1250: hehe thanks.
[21:19] <jimmygoon> The original betas were much more stable than firefox 3 is now :(
[21:20] <x1250> yeah ff has a couple of annoying bugs with flash right now
[21:20] <Arand> josh04: okay cheers, 'll have a look at that.
[21:20] <eagles0513875> anyone able to help me with this issue that im having http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/
[21:22] <cvd-pr> Its there a way to view the windows password from ubuntu?
[21:22] <american> why do i have two entries for hardy heron in my GRUB?
[21:22] <american> i just did a fresh install
[21:22] <eagles0513875> american: once should be a recovery
[21:22] <eagles0513875> and one the main kernel and thats the usually the one on the top of the list
[21:23] <american> yup.  i'm seeing that repeated too
[21:23] <american> i see 2 regular ubuntu and 2 recovery ubuntu
[21:23] <cvd-pr> Why the Hell the ubuntu updates has openjdk?
[21:23] <eagles0513875> interesting and u just did a clean install
[21:23] <Clue_by_4> clean install..double entries in menu...that IS odd.
[21:24] <american> yup
[21:24] <Clue_by_4> did you happen to update or something?
[21:24] <american> can i just edit some file and remove it?
[21:24] <x1250> eagles0513875: you have two options: 1) install gnome-desktop-environment, or 2) get rid of "gnome" package (nothing bad will happen), its just a metapackage. I dont have any of the two packages installed, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment. But its your call.
[21:24] <american> i did do a update after i installed
[21:24] <american> 405 updates or so
[21:24] <Clue_by_4> sure, you could do that......
[21:24] <kreative> my windows will not boot for some reason after a hardy upgrade, it goes through the windows boot screen, but then freezes and i just see the background image. i do have full mouse control though. just nothing i can do.
[21:24] <Clue_by_4> ...update shouldnt have doubled the grub menu though....
[21:24] <eagles0513875> x1250: im a bug fixer seems like tons of bugs out for gnome and since im using kde would like to have it for helping fix bugs
[21:25] <Clue_by_4> weird!
[21:25] <eagles0513875> american: try this suod apt-get autoremove
[21:25] <eagles0513875> it will remove any redundent pkgs and kernels
[21:25] <Clue_by_4> american : sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:25] <bewst> Hi, For the last 3 days I've been pounding on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121653 which seemed to be fixed at one point, but is failing for me again since accepting further updates.  Does anyone know if the devs are watching this issue?
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[21:26] <Clue_by_4> mine works, eagles0513875 doesnt, (due to typo i caught) :)
[21:26] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: lol sry im dead today im off to bed soon
[21:26] <x1250> eagles0513875: I don't know if your situation is a generalized one, since I uninstalled those two packages after I installed hardy, inmediatly
[21:26] <Clue_by_4> no biggie bud, just making sure we didnt have a confused user :)
[21:27] <eagles0513875> x1250: im going to try it out im on m dev machine so no biggie reinstalling
[21:27] <x1250> try removing them, they're of no use, really.
[21:27] <eagles0513875> x1250: ok
[21:27] <x1250> just metapackages for "ease of use", but If you dont need tomboy or other packages from "gnome" package, then is safe to uninstall it
[21:28] <josh04> Does anyone here know *a lot* about making sleep work? I've tried all the usual ways, and a fair few unusual ones.
[21:29] <eagles0513875> x1250: im still getting that message when i use apt-get to install gde
[21:29] <bewst> josh04: I know *a lot* about wasting time trying to make sleep work ;-)
[21:30] <bewst> See above where I mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121653
[21:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[21:30] <x1250> eagles0513875: did you # aptitude purge gnome gnome-desktop-environment, first?
[21:30] <eagles0513875> x1250: no
[21:31] <bewst> josh04: I've even had some moments of success.
[21:31] <x1250> eagles0513875: or install gnome-desktop-environment, any of those two solutions will make the error dissapear
[21:32] <eagles0513875> x1250: 1st one doesnt work
[21:32] <josh04> bewst: More than me then. My greatest success thus far has been a flash of hard disk light
[21:32] <x1250> eagles0513875: what does it say?
[21:32] <bewst> what graphics card and driver are you using?
[21:32] <eagles0513875> same msg as before 2nd seems to work
[21:32] <x1250> ok, fine then
[21:32] <Clue_by_4> guys, isnt hardy supposed to go "stable" like...in...a week?
[21:33] <eagles0513875> ya on the 24th
[21:33] <x1250> it will be released.... like in a week :P
[21:33] <Clue_by_4> we still got a lot of bugs to iron out...have no clue how were gonna pull that miracle off.
[21:33] <spikeb> what about the RC?
[21:34] <eagles0513875> they out for testing
[21:34] <bewst> Are there any ubuntu devs here?  I really want to know if my efforts are going to waste on this fglrx/suspend bug
[21:34] <Clue_by_4> the rc's out?
[21:34] <eagles0513875> ya
[21:34] <josh04> bewst: intel 965, intel driver, but i don't think mines a graphics issue. the hard disk spins up then immediately spins down again when I resume
[21:34] <spikeb> it's supposed to be today Clue_by_4
[21:34] <Clue_by_4> where can I get it? its the beta link?
[21:35] <bewst> josh04: Oh, sorry, disks have never been my problem, so I don't know anything in that area.
[21:35] <Clue_by_4> im looking..im looking...hrrrmmm
[21:35] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: no its a link to daily build
[21:35] <eagles0513875> ask in teh #kubuntu-devel
[21:36] <josh04> bewst: might not be the disk, might be a hard crash. can't tell either way because there are no logs :P
[21:36] <bewst> josh04: sorry, that's not my area of expertise
[21:37] <rinaldi_> hi all. I have a game controller assigned to /dev/input/js1  . is there a way to get it working with wine games?
[21:37] <josh04> bewst: Doesn't matter. I'm pretty much hoping a kernel update at some point will magically fix everything now :P
[21:37] <Keule> hi guys
[21:37] <eagles0513875> x1250: at the rate im going with with gnome im probably going to bork everything
[21:38] <eagles0513875> x1250:
[21:38] <Keule> i have a q. using splashy - does anybody knows something?
[21:38] <eagles0513875> x1250: nm answered my own question
[21:38] <Clue_by_4> eagles, thanks, i found it...had to do some digging but ultimately found it.
[21:38] <josh04> Keule: Ask away
[21:39] <Keule> when i want to install it - synaptics wants to uninstall ubunt-desktop, usplash,  - is there any problem? josh04
[21:39] <x1250> hardy nightly builds http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[21:39] <eagles0513875> yep thats it
[21:40] <Clue_by_4> yep :)
[21:40] <josh04> Keule: No, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, does nothing. Usplash is the normal splash manager, they conflict
[21:40] <x1250> that should be on the topic :(
[21:40] <Keule> ok but ubuntu starts without usplash
[21:40] <peeps[work]> argh, i can't get X to restart from a script
[21:40] <Keule> i dont have the prob of a complete crash...
[21:40] <shadow420> I am waiting for the Release to come out which is !hardy
[21:40] <american> so glad that hardy supports my ati x1400
[21:40] <eagles0513875> where is a gpg key stored so i can take a backup of it
[21:40] <shadow420> !hardy
[21:40] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:41] <american> now if only my fan wouldn't run so loud constantly
[21:41] <eagles0513875> shadow420: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[21:41] <x1250> american: yeah, x1400 works very very nice on hardy
[21:41] <x1250> I have it on my laptop
[21:41] <eagles0513875> shadow420: those r the release clients
[21:41] <Clue_by_4> shadow, its...out i thought
[21:41] <josh04> Keule: Without usplash you'll just get a black screen boot, but it should still boot
[21:41] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/
[21:41] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: not that
[21:41] <Keule> ok josh04 thx - ill try
[21:41] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[21:41] <kreative> my laptop is getting really hot for some reason
[21:41] <Keule> keep on rockin! i like hardy ;o)
[21:41] <american> so when ubuntu 8.04-LTS is released will it just be a matter of installing updates to upgrade?
[21:41] <Clue_by_4> eagles, you pointed me there, im already downloading it :D
[21:42] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: kool
[21:42] <x1250> american: thats the way, yes
[21:42] <eagles0513875> get helping making kubuntu the best distro out there
[21:42] <josh04> Keule: good luck :)
[21:42] <shadow420> eagles0513875 I rather get a CD of hardy I am currently using Kubuntu Hardy Beta
[21:43] <x1250> kubuntu hardy comes with kde4?
[21:43] <eagles0513875> shadow420: same here those r the daily release clients
[21:43] <Clue_by_4> american, when hardy goes completely stable..i mean..when we even get past the RC..and on to the actual release DATE......all you have to do is run update-manager and you will be completely up to date.
[21:43] <eagles0513875> x1250: dont think so kde4 is still lacking lots of functionality
[21:44] <Clue_by_4> that was wasted bandwith :/
[21:44] <Clue_by_4> lol
[21:44] <x1250> eagles0513875: yep, I used kde4 till a week ago on debian lenny/sid/experimental in my desktop, but fell in love with compiz, so I wipe it out
[21:44] <Clue_by_4> compiz is da bomb!
[21:44] <shadow420> but I am planing on switching back to Gnome I think KDE is just to a pain for me to re-learn a new desktop