[00:00] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Window moves are more CPU intensive, I guess
[00:00] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Lazy positioning doesn't move the window, it moves the texture. Only once you stop moving does it tell the window
[00:00] <Amaranth> So of course when using Xv overlay the video keeps getting drawn at the old place until you stop moving
[00:01] <Amaranth> with textured video (which we can use in hardy thanks to some intel hackery) we can move it along with the window
[00:01] <PriceChild> coolios
[00:02] <PriceChild> Amaranth, doing what you suggested is very, very artifacty... doesn't distort the window at all with wobbly for example, flickering etc.
[00:02] <PriceChild> doesn't distort video sorry
[00:02] <Amaranth> you're using overlay video, you can't transform it _at all_
[00:03] <Amaranth> it gets painted on to the screen in a completely separate step from everything else, compiz just sees a window with a blue background or whatever
[00:03] <PriceChild> yup
[00:06] <PriceChild> our favourite friend in -offtopic
[00:06] <PriceChild> well mine anyway
[00:17] <mneptok> PriceChild: hold me.
[00:20] <Gary> and me too :p
[00:24]  * PriceChild huggles mneptok and Gary
[00:47] <Hobbsee> Pici: the way of "you need to not be an idiot to use this"?  yeah, i like that too :)
[00:48] <Pici> Hobbsee: I dont know what you're referring to (I had a very busy day at work), but I agree.
[00:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: comment on #ubuntu+1, liking it during the early alphas
[00:49] <Pici> Ah, definitely
[00:59] <PriceChild> fuck earthquake
[01:03] <LjL> PriceChild: ?
[01:03] <LjL> in the UK?
[01:04] <Gary> not here in essex
[01:04] <PriceChild> that was weird
[01:04] <PriceChild> and yes LjL
[01:06] <PriceChild> LjL, Gary http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/db/eqinfo.php
[01:06] <LjL> PriceChild: everything ok?
[01:06] <PriceChild> yup
[01:07] <Gary> awww, I did nto feel a thing here
[01:07] <PriceChild> 5.5 supposedly
[01:12] <LjL> i need to reboot, i cannot browse the web :|
[01:25] <LjL> i'm rebooting
[01:45] <LjL> PriceChild: http://www.inloughborough.com/news/2008/02/10547_earthquake.php
[01:45] <LjL> eek
[01:45] <LjL> i wronged my crontab
[01:47] <PriceChild> Is launchpad working for others?
[01:47] <LjL> PriceChild: yes
[01:50] <PriceChild> Hmm I think there's just something wrong with my internet connection.
[01:50] <LjL> PriceChild: it's shaken
[01:50] <PriceChild> :)
[01:51] <PriceChild> ff2 to the rescue, silly ff3
[02:10] <LjL> PriceChild: i'm reminded of the, uhm, one of two earthquakes i rememeber experiencing
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: was in my alps home with my parents, watching Apollo 13
[02:11] <PriceChild> lol
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: *precisely* at the time the rocket was launching, i remember thinking, wow, how can this 14" thing have such stunning audio
[02:11] <LjL> then i noticed my parents grabbed the table, and i thought, oh, earthquake
[02:12] <PriceChild> :)0
[02:27] <mneptok> last earhtquake i was in threw me 2 feet into the air
[02:28] <LjL> you jumped?
[02:28] <no0tic> mneptok, where were you?
[02:28] <mneptok> no0tic: Portland, OR USA
[02:29] <mneptok> brick building with wood floors. shook like a Bond martini.
[02:29] <no0tic> mneptok, mount helens?
[02:29] <no0tic> *st.helens
[02:30] <no0tic> may 18, 1980?
[02:31] <mneptok> no0tic: no, i was in high school in New York then
[02:31] <mneptok> this was ... 2000? 2001?
[03:14] <emma> Hello are there any ops here?
[03:14] <Pici> Always.
[03:15] <emma> Cool. An ubuntu-op has joined my channel, made some terse comments, seemed hostile when I asked what brought him in there, and then has gone silent.
[03:15] <emma> He also made some strange comments about not having any signs that ask people not to commercially log.
[03:16] <emma> If this person does not respond, and I am worried that he is logging in my channel, and I kick him, will I ask him to leave, will I suffer some kind of retaliation in the #ubuntu channels?
[03:20] <emma> sorry my last post had a typo:
[03:20] <emma> If the ubuntu op that joined my channel but isn't responding to me, is logging my channel and I ask him to leave, will I suffer some kind of retaliation in the #ubuntu channels?
[03:20] <mneptok> emma: ## channels are not official. you are free to do with them what you please, without fear of it affecting your ability to /join official channels.
[03:21] <mneptok> emma: of course, your demeanor may affect how others perceive you. being polite and asking someone to leave before kicking/banning them is good netiquette.
[03:21] <emma> mneptok - That's extremely refreshing. I'm tremendously glad to hear something that renews some faith in this whole establishment.
[03:22] <emma> I have no intention of kicking or banning anyone. That was a typo. And I don't even plan on asking the person to leave. I just feel unnerved when an Ubuntu op comes in, makes some terse statements about logging and then goes silent.
[03:22] <mneptok> emma: of course, overt netiquette abuses (e.g. discussing DDoS attacks) in *any* channel will have repercussions.
[03:22] <emma> Where did that come from?
[03:22] <mneptok> just being thorough
[03:23] <emma> That kind of thing is strange, honestly.
[03:23] <mneptok> what kind of thing?
[03:23] <emma> You guys remind me of the police some times the way you could solve so many more problems if you weren't over doing it and creating them in the first place.
[03:24] <mneptok> am i Sting or Andy Summers?
[03:24] <Pici> mneptok: +1
[03:24] <emma> I am not a difficult person to get along with. I have to think that a lot of you, as tech type people who support open source, at some level might even share my philosophy when it comes to free speech and related ideas.
[03:25] <emma> Things don't have to be so antagonistic but when you start reading people the riot act and pushing them around, even the perception of that, you force a reaction.
[03:25] <emma> Why am I telling you this? To be helpful actually.
[03:26] <mneptok> i thought it was to confuse the living fark out of us.
[03:26] <emma> I could actually name several Ubuntu ops who are models of dealing with people.
[03:26] <emma> But I can't say that about all of you, and certainly I realize that's true about any group of human beings.
[03:27] <emma> For my part, I am happy to hear this: <mneptok> emma: ## channels are not official. you are free to do with them what you please, without fear of it affecting your ability to /join official channels.
[03:27] <emma> I didn't even name this op who is sitting in my channel. Why? Because I am not trying to start some kind of trouble for him.
[03:28] <emma> But you can certainly imagine it is unnerving if an Ubuntu op shows up, hardly says a word, is short with you when you ask what brought them here, makes some ambiguous comments about logging, and then refuses to say another word.
[03:29] <jdong> emma: I don't want to get myself involved with this discussion, but many of the ubuntu ops have to deal with a great deal of network abuse, and it's only natural that over time their statements could come across as terse to those not experienced with dealing with so many channels and users
[03:29] <jdong> emma: I've only partly read the scrollback, but it sounds like this issue being taken out of proportion
[03:29] <mneptok> probably as unnerving as a user that consistently /joins the ops channel and makes poorly veiled insults to volunteer staff.
[03:29] <Pici> jdong: well put, I was trying to come up with a way to say that.  It has been a long day :/
[03:30] <Pici> mneptok: And thanks, now I'm listening to The Police.
[03:30] <emma> mneptok --- I don't think I make insults to staff.
[03:30] <mneptok> emma: and that's a problem.
[03:30] <emma> I think that this is becoming some kind of antagonistic relationship. I would like to cut that off before it get's bad.
[03:31] <mneptok>  /part is an easy 5 keystrokes away
[03:32] <emma> I'm not talking about this particular exchange. I'm talking about the over all course of things.
[03:32] <jdong> emma: is the op that entered your channel available right now? I think the best course of action at this point is to seek clarification from him/her as to the statement made in your channel?
[03:39] <emma> How should I interpret having an Ubuntu op sitting in my channel, not responding to me?
[03:39] <emma> My preliminary interpretation is that I have become a target because I've been outspoken about my opinions concerning free speech and privacy.
[03:40] <jdong> emma: there's no need to feel so paranoid
[03:40] <jdong> emma: he's most likely there just watching out for network abuse, or forgot to log out. Many of these operators are in hundreds of channels simultaneously
[03:40] <jdong> there's no reason to believe you're the target of some sort of logging or monitoring operation
[03:41] <nalioth> jdong: #ubuntu operator
[03:41] <nalioth> jdong: not me or my peers
[03:42] <jdong> ah ok
[03:42] <emma> Now another ubuntu op joined the channel
[03:43] <jdong> is there any particular reason you feel that Ubuntu ops are not welcome in your channel?
[03:43] <mneptok> emma: and i parted
[03:44] <emma> None at all. I'm serious about being an advocate of freedom. I'm not going to push anyone around, ubuntu op or not.
[03:44] <mneptok> emma: if you don;t want me /join'ing, ban me or set the channel +i
[03:44] <emma> mneptok - I would never do that.
[03:44] <emma> Frankly I'm honored if an op actually came there to chill
[03:44] <nalioth> emma: then don't worry about it  :)
[03:46] <emma> Okay well, I hope we are all on a friendly note then.
[03:48] <jdong> I hope so too, we're all on the same side
[03:49] <mneptok> which sucks, as the locker room gets *really* crowded.
[03:49] <emma> Okay that's great.
[03:49] <emma> :)
[03:50] <emma> I just want to tell everyone in #ubuntu-ops then that you are all welcome to join my unofficial ubuntu channel.  It's a channel for people who love Ubuntu and also love Freedom.
[03:52] <emma> I have a policy of no public logging in my channel. But as long as none of you do that, you will never have anyone trying to control you there.
[03:56] <mneptok> the unstated implication being that anyone not on that channel does not love freedom.
[05:14] <htns> Hi
[05:14] <htns> Can somebody unban me from #ubuntu?
[05:14] <htns> I really need some real-time help
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[05:15] <htns> What?
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> nvm
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> it helps if the server is up...
[05:15] <htns> Are you talking to me?
[05:15] <nalioth> htns: why are you banned?
[05:16] <htns> nalioth: Well it was a long time ago.
[05:16] <htns> Had an argument with some guy in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <nalioth> ah
[05:16] <htns> And he banned me from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <htns> ;_;
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> I'm guessing I was involved - trying to find out how.
[05:18] <nalioth> i'm afraid it wasn't that long ago
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> okay, bantracker just fails entirely
[05:20] <htns> So can I be unbanned?
[05:20] <htns> I mean either way, I'll be getting into #ubuntu
[05:21] <htns> I can always reset my IP by spoofing my MAC address on my router
[05:21] <htns> So...
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> aaaaaaaand there goes any hopes you had.
[05:21] <htns> Actually
[05:21] <htns> I was just kidding
[05:21] <nickrud> hah. htns that was pretty stupid.
[05:21] <htns> no seriously
[05:21] <htns> you cant really do that can you?
[05:21] <htns> :3
[05:22] <nickrud> htns: ban evasion is grounds for banning from freenode completely, the staff take it very seriously
[05:22] <htns> Oh....
[05:23] <htns> seriously though
[05:23] <htns> what do I have to do
[05:23] <htns> to get back into #ubuntu
[05:23] <htns> how long do I have to wait?!
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> Find LjL
[05:23] <nickrud> htns: I suggest you take your issue to the forums for now.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> mneptok: hah.  that was me.  oddly enough, she ignored the "away" status
[06:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: or we run a proxy
[06:27] <Hobbsee> so are connected 24/7
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: through where?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> I'd love a more reliable always-on than my home connection...
[06:28] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: through a server i have in a californian data center.
[06:28] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: so would i, but dreamhost won't install all the perl modules i need
[06:28] <Myrtti> you folks need something like Kapsi here in Finland
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: such as?
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: ah.
[06:29] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: all the perl modules i need to run all my 744t scripz
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: does DH's TOS allow idle irssi sessions?  I know bots are a no-no
[06:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: afaik, no
[06:29] <Myrtti> a non-profit organisation that has the yearly membership fee of 30e and with that you get 1G space, mysql, two servers with another one eggdrop rights, bitlbee...
[06:29] <Myrtti> nameservers...
[06:30] <Myrtti> mail
[06:30] <Myrtti> of course irssi too
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: not bad
[06:31] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: they do
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Really?  Nifty.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> oh neat, i didn't realise
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Now I just need them to okay a supybot and I'd be happy.  Doubt that's going to happen though.
[06:35] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: dreamhost? hell no
[07:11] <Myrtti> htns is querying me
[07:11] <Myrtti> should I bring him here?
[07:14] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: opinions?
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: only if you think it would actually be useful?
[07:15] <Myrtti> not really
[07:15] <Myrtti> I just don't know what to tell him
[07:15] <Myrtti> a week?
[07:16] <Myrtti> a week.
[09:24] <icesword> hi
[09:25] <icesword> i find www.ubuntu.org.cn is responding slowly
[09:26] <elkbuntu> this isnt the place to discuss the websites, sorry.
[09:26] <icesword> but i do notice they enable telnet service
[09:27] <elkbuntu> !cn
[09:27] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[09:27] <elkbuntu> see the first of those for issues with chinese services
[09:27] <icesword> okay
[10:11] <leoquant> hi i have got a cloak/hostmask, but iam not on: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks  how come?
[11:19] <andyp_> hello i was banned some months ago from ubuntu for saying a command line by mistake i think i was bliss_ nick at that time my IP is    [<IP_ADDRESS>]  can you please consider  lifting the ban?
[11:20] <andyp_> a command line command
[14:43] <LjL> i'm leaving for some days. as usual, seveas should be able to login to the bots machine if required, or just kick
[14:43] <Pici> LjL: Okay, taking a vacation?
[14:44] <LjL> yeah, going to my alps home to ski a little
[14:44] <Pici> Sounds like fun
[14:44] <jpatrick> LjL: have fun!
[14:44] <LjL> i'll be on irc anyway, just little less than usual
[14:45] <LjL> and can't access my server so
[14:46] <Pici> :)
[15:06] <Seeker`> have fun LjL
[15:42] <jpatrick> !staff | < By_Turkey> - porn spam
[15:42] <Pici><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:42] <jpatrick> ubotu: live!!
[15:42] <Pici> !staff
[15:42] <Pici> !ping
[15:43] <jpatrick> !comeback
[15:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about live!! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:43] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:43] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[15:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comeback - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:43] <jpatrick> poor thing
[15:45] <PriceChild> Hmmm leoquant saying he's not in the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team...
[15:45] <PriceChild> i'm sure i added him
[15:46] <PriceChild> fixed
[15:46] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, bod_ said: !gq is Your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misinterperated, to learn how to ask 'good' questions please visit http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[15:48] <jpatrick> bod_: no idea, mate, just have to wait
[15:49] <bod_> ok,.cheers
[16:02] <nalioth> y'all go ahead and ban my_turkey (if ya aint already)
[16:04] <jpatrick> jrib did
[16:07] <nalioth> did anyone else get forged spam from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:07] <jpatrick> yep, @ubuntu.com addresses get hit by loads of spam
[16:08] <no0tic> I'll take a look
[16:09] <nalioth> jpatrick: no
[16:09] <no0tic> no spam from there
[16:09] <nalioth> this was forged to appear to be _from_ me
[16:09] <nalioth> who would i send the raw email to for suitable blockage?
[16:20] <jpatrick> the guy's ISP?
[16:20] <Pici> Check the abuse contact on the ISP's whois
[16:20] <PriceChild> nalioth, yeah i've had some in the past
[16:20] <PriceChild> also had stuff from other existing ubuntu members
[16:21] <jussi01> Isnt elmo responsible for that sort of thing?
[16:22] <PriceChild> jussi01, responsible for which?
[16:22] <jussi01> @ubuntu addresses
[16:23] <PriceChild> jussi01, you could send from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you wanted...
[16:23] <jussi01> PriceChild: aye, I misread... sorry
[16:24] <jussi01> PriceChild: I read<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was sending spam... (as if themselves was the user) :P
[16:24] <jpatrick> PriceChild: do we have mr gates cloaked?
[16:26] <nalioth> jussi01: yes, i got a spam from [my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:29] <jpatrick> anon32 is banned from #kubuntu, yet he has just joined recently..
[16:31] <jdong> billgates has a launchpad account? :D
[16:31] <jpatrick> ah, no, the bantrack meant /kick and the ban has been removed..
[16:44] <PriceChild> Strange one in #ubuntu-unregged, "Aranel" cannot join #ubuntu, just gets forwared to unregged. Can anyone figure it out? :)
[16:45] <Pici> I'm guessing some sort of server sync issue
[16:50] <jpatrick> #ubuntu:+JLcfnt 2,5 #ubuntu-unregged ?
[16:50] <jpatrick> too many joins and thus forwarded?
[16:51] <PriceChild> can't be
[16:51] <Pici> Its just this person
[16:51] <PriceChild> it happened when we were -J
[16:51] <PriceChild> Could someone else humour me and check the banlist?
[16:53] <Pici> I dont see anything.
[16:54] <jpatrick> me neither
[16:59] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[17:01] <no0tic> probably an IP ban?
[17:01] <PriceChild> it could be
[17:01] <PriceChild> but why would that forward to -unregged?
[17:01] <PriceChild> and I don't think it is in keeping with the forwarding message either
[17:02]  * jpatrick is starting to dislike people from *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[17:02] <PriceChild> :/
[17:02] <Pici> Can someone try connecting directly to kubrick?
[17:02] <PriceChild> Pici, i did earleir
[17:02] <Pici> aranel is registered and ID'd
[17:03] <Seeker`> jpatrick: why?
[17:04] <jpatrick> Seeker`: cos loads of trolls I've had to deal with come from there appartently
[17:06] <PriceChild> Erm... his forwarding message doesn't quite match up with a message I get? Its missing a : ?
[17:06] <PriceChild> guessing its just client formatting?
[17:06] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-unregged :Forwarding to another channel
[17:06] <PriceChild> #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged Forwarding to another channel
[17:07] <Pici> I got it.
[17:08] <PriceChild> What is it? :)
[17:08] <Pici> Ip ban.
[17:08] <Pici> *!*@88.232.*!#ubuntu-unregged
[17:08] <PriceChild> hehe I told you to check the banlist again
[17:08] <PriceChild> lets blame jpatrick
[17:08] <Pici> It was nalioth though
[17:09] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I didn't know his IP
[17:09] <PriceChild> :P
[17:09] <Pici> grep 88.232 on my logs gave me aranel, amongst others.
[17:09] <PriceChild> I tried grepping for that but never found anything :(
[17:10] <PriceChild> Well done Pici.
[17:10] <Pici> Thanks :)
[17:18] <bod_> any news on my factoid request !gq    ??
[17:21] <PriceChild> i'm pretty sure we have one similar *searches*
[17:22] <bod_> thanks
[17:30] <Pricey> Hmm I didn't mean to do that.
[17:38] <Pricey> grrr didn't mean to do that... *smacks screen*
[17:57] <bod_> PriceChild, any joy on the similar factoid search?
[17:58] <PriceChild> ah sorry forgot about that, didn't find one myself, must have been imagining it :)
[17:59] <bod_> ;~) ok,.,.well im off now, but if you do find the similar one, could i please request that the link in my suggestion be added to it,.thanks
[18:44] <ompaul> how generous of Chanserv
[18:46] <Seeker`> ompaul: I thought I was special when I got one, but it seems that chanserv gives them to almost anyone :(
[18:50] <Pici> Nah, we have a few boarders in here without them
[18:51] <Seeker`> Pici: About 80% of the channel atm has them though
[18:55] <Gary> thats how it is supposed to be isn't it?
[19:02] <ompaul>  /cs k Gary some with some without expect no mercy!
[19:02] <Gary> merci
[19:10] <ompaul> ;-)
[20:39] <jpatrick> LjL-Mobile: skiing and ircing? Cool
[20:40] <LjL-Mobile> Jpatrick: heh not *so* mobile
[20:41] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: Watch out for that tree!
[20:42] <LjL-Mobile> i avoid trees
[20:42] <LjL-Mobile> what i have i history of not avoiding is chairlifts
[20:42] <Seveas> Happy Tree LjLs
[20:42] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: How many chairlifts have you hit?
[20:43] <Seveas> Seeker`, half a dozen
[20:43] <Seveas> could be more by now
[20:43] <Seeker`> ouch, doesn't it hurt?
[20:44] <LjL-Mobile> I haven't skid yet now :s but yes chairlifts on the head hurt
[21:18] <ph0rensic> Is saying crap a swear word? and if so why would some dude single me out for saying it and not others?  I would say it to mine!
[21:19] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, would you say it to my grandmother?
[21:20] <ph0rensic> it really depends on the situation... would you single one person out of a group who is doing something "wrong" and let everyone else have at it?
[21:21] <PriceChild> You're meeting her for the first time tomorrow, she's such a lovely lady. Would you say 'crap' to her?
[21:21] <PriceChild> Lets forget everyone else and just talk about you for now.
[21:22] <ph0rensic> Wow thats a very easy way to minimize the circumstances
[21:22] <nalioth> ph0rensic: please answer the questoin
[21:23] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, other people's actions do not ever excuse your own. In my opinion its similar to a child in a classroom. If you think someone else is doing something wrong, then do something about it, don't copy it.
[21:23] <ph0rensic> It all depends on where the conversation leads, possibly yes i may
[21:23] <PriceChild> Is that a 'yes' you would say crap to my dear old grandmother?
[21:23] <PriceChild> What about my very impressionable 3 year old child?
[21:24] <PriceChild> gah typo... 5 yo
[21:25] <LjL-Mobile> is there such thing as an impressionable 5 years old?
[21:25] <ompaul> bottom line looking for barriers to slide up against is annoying for others to deal with and thus the use and overall context can be noted and tic when the analysis is done and then the original judgement found to be sound
[21:25] <ompaul> tic taken into consideration
[21:27] <ph0rensic> PriceChild, to spare us all from a tortuous theoretical debate.. I'll just resign and refrain from using such abrasive and vulgar terms such as c#@p
[21:27] <nickrud> wow ompaul you must write for academic publication ;)
[21:27] <ph0rensic> Thank you for your consideration
[21:27] <ph0rensic> sup nickrud
[21:28] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, I haven't stated my opinion on it at all. It is probably best that you don't use that word if you believe others may have problems with it.
[21:28] <ompaul> nickrud, only on Fridays - telling the waters this evening
[21:28] <nickrud> ph0rensic: not much. Just passing through. Coffee break.  I wanna live)
[21:29]  * nickrud rubs his buttocks
[21:30] <ph0rensic> well that certainly is something to consider... I haven't a clue if Pricechild is a known member of the Hells Angels or other notorious organized crime establishment.
[21:31] <ompaul> so is there anything else?
[21:31] <ph0rensic> But if I met his grandmother and said it, she would most likely politely ask me to express myself in a different manner and I would respect her wishes.
[21:31] <nalioth> ph0rensic: our point is: why should she even have to ask?
[21:31] <nalioth> why should anyone?
[21:32] <nalioth> courtesy costs nothing
[21:32] <elkbuntu> especially when you're wanting assistance from the person you're communicating with or about
[21:32] <elkbuntu> courtesy saves you time in such situations
[21:32] <ph0rensic> elkbuntu, usually Im on here to offer my assistance, anything that I believe I can help with
[21:32] <PriceChild> Hey andyp_, how can I help?
[21:33] <andyp_> yes please
[21:33] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, then why are you here debating about a word instead of helping?
[21:33] <ompaul> ph0rensic, the fact that someone uses it on one person they may give up on the next person
[21:33] <ph0rensic> nalioth, but courtesy is a matter of mind, one persons vision of courtesy can be percieved as fowl insults to another
[21:34] <nalioth> ph0rensic: i doubt it.
[21:34] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, you're now wasting our time
[21:34]  * PriceChild wonders if ph0rensic came to talk about whether the word is allowed, or complain about how he was treated.
[21:34] <ph0rensic> nalioth, I'll give you an example.. would you think it is ok to offer your hand when you meet someone (to shake it)
[21:34] <elkbuntu> andyp_, please, ignore this other conversation and state how we can help
[21:34] <andyp_> About 2/3 months ago i said a command line command in ubuntu by mistake i was banned can you please reseting my ip please i think i was a diffrent nick then but same ip address
[21:35] <PriceChild> andyp_, little over 1 month.
[21:35] <andyp_> was it not sure
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, 23rd jan. It didn't seem like a mistake either... "to get rid of everything rm -rf /* as root"
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, that's seconds after joining the channel.
[21:36] <andyp_> well ok i am sorry
[21:36] <nalioth> ph0rensic: did you have anything further?
[21:36] <andyp_> no i was a diffrent nick for a long time ompaul knoews me
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, If you're not going to contest my suggestion there, it seems the only thing you were right about, was the different nick.
[21:37]  * ompaul wonders what the other nick was
[21:37] <ompaul> cyx?
[21:37]  * ompaul wonders
[21:37] <PriceChild> ompaul, bliss
[21:37] <andyp_> ompaul bliss_
[21:37] <andyp_> ompaul; evening
[21:37] <ompaul> night more like
[21:38] <ompaul> hehe
[21:38] <andyp_> ok noght
[21:38] <andyp_> night
[21:38] <ompaul> back in a mo
[21:38] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, thanks for discontinuing the pointless discussion. you have no further need to be here.
[21:39] <andyp_> ompaul" you still have a beard i seem to remember in the skype picture you have one
[21:40] <ompaul> andyp_, it is a looooooobnnnnnng time since (A) I used skype and (B) had a beard
[21:40] <nalioth> now he's got a knee-length face carpet
[21:40]  * nalioth runs
[21:40] <andyp_> ompaul: ok six months maybe a yesr
[21:40] <andyp_> year
[21:41] <ompaul> andyp_, I have not had a beard for 2 years
[21:41] <LjL-Mobile> ompaul is trying to get a distance to rms
[21:41] <andyp_> last time we spoke your skype pic you had a beard
[21:42] <andyp_> PriceChild: i promise to be good
[21:42] <ompaul> I don't know when I last had skype with a picture let alone skype that worked
[21:42] <ompaul> then I got religion
[21:42] <PriceChild> andyp_, pardon?
[21:43] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: i'd like to know what you had in mind when you posted that command
[21:43] <andyp_> ompaul: you told me to buy so headphones which i did but we never spoke but chatted
[21:43] <ompaul> that is going back a long time
[21:43] <ompaul> now I have some vague recollection
[21:44] <ompaul> andyp_, however LjL and PriceChild way out rank me in terms of the current issue /me is just a helper more or less
[21:44] <andyp_> ompaul_ think it was breezy badgeri was a new ubuntu then
[21:44] <ompaul> and I strongly suggest you deal with them on this what I would call serious matter
[21:45] <andyp_> look a am have said it for some silly reason which is not me all we sometimes make mistakes as i did
[21:46] <LjL-Mobile> one thing is a mistake, another is something deliberate. What did you have in mind?
[21:46] <PriceChild> What kind of mistake are we talking about here?
[21:47] <PriceChild> mistake == copy paste in wrong channel? mistake == decided it would be funny to wipe user data?
[21:47] <andyp_> Ljl.Mobile: yes it was uncalled for
[21:48] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: i think so, but what did you have in mind
[21:49] <andyp_> PriceChild: i am not sure I think it was to get rid of everyting with one command silly really
[21:49] <LjL-Mobile> yes that's what it does, but why did you post it
[21:50] <PriceChild> Not sure you understood the question.
[21:50] <andyp_> ok i relly can't remember
[21:50] <PriceChild> both questions are basically about the same thing.
[21:51] <andyp_> do you have the log?
[21:51] <andyp_> really
[21:51] <PriceChild> http://pastebin.ca/921213
[21:52] <andyp_> look this is a serious matter and yes i was wrong but i am sorry
[21:52] <PriceChild> you've said that several times already
[21:53] <PriceChild> Please answer LjL's question, why did you do it? What was in your mind?
[21:53] <andyp_> pk i must not say anything more then
[21:53] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: is it possible that you posted the command in order for people to run it, somehow finding the result of that funny?
[21:53] <andyp_> no not that
[21:54] <PriceChild> So then what?
[21:54] <andyp_> iit was near christmas i had to much at the christmas party on that day
[21:54] <PriceChild> late january
[21:54] <PriceChild> just answer the question please :/
[21:56] <andyp_> i was on a on a imac with triple boot and loop-aes problems
[21:56] <PriceChild> andyp_, the ban will not be lifted at this time.
[21:57] <PriceChild> andyp_, i suggest you go away and think about why you did what you did. You should think about what you need to change about yourself so that you don't do it again. You should then come back to us some time to discuss it.
[21:58] <andyp_> thankyou but i will just come back when your ready
[21:59] <PriceChild> We don't want to ban people in #ubuntu. We would have been more than willing to unban you today.  Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[22:43] <ompaul> !opabuse
[22:43] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[22:43] <ompaul> bod_, ehh is there anything we can do to help you?
[22:45] <PriceChild> ompaul, gah this is the factoid
[22:45] <PriceChild> ompaul, you make the decision :)
[22:45] <ompaul> I didz
 In #ubuntu, bod_ said: !gq is Your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misinterperated, to learn how to ask 'good' questions please visit http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[22:46] <ompaul> ahhhhh
[22:46] <ompaul> PriceChild, it would need the word Please in there more than once
[22:46] <ompaul> PriceChild, I edit
[22:46] <Seveas> !lolops | ompaul
[22:46] <ubotu> ompaul: Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:47] <Seveas> /cs k ompaul Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, kickn yur azz
[22:49] <ompaul> !gq is <reply> Please be aware your question and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[22:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul
[22:49]  * ompaul now hands to the master
[22:49] <ompaul> Pici, ^^ ideas on improving that please
[22:56] <bod_> sorry guys, was afk,.,.just a quick thing on the !gq that ompaul did,.,.it reads "Please be aware your question and could easily be misunderstood" (which doesnt make sense it should read "Please be aware your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misunderstood
[23:23] <bod_> anyone alive?
[23:24] <LjL-Mobile> yes but i can't change bot facts right now
[23:24] <bod_> damn,.,.ok, ta
[23:29] <mneptok> !gq
[23:29] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:29] <bod_> cheers guys,.,.wow, my factoid!!!!!!
[23:34] <Seeker`> Should there be a full stop between misunderstood and please
[23:34] <bod_> !gq
[23:34] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:35] <bod_> its a comma
[23:35] <bod_> seeker ^^
[23:35] <Seeker`> I know there is a comma ther atm, but it doesn't sound quite right as I ma reading it
[23:36] <bod_> please check this, to understand               that comma needs to be removed
[23:37] <Seeker`>  Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:38] <Seeker`> That sounds better IMP
[23:38] <Seeker`> *IMO
[23:38] <Seeker`> gah, my typing is rubbish tonight
[23:38] <bod_> i agree it is better
[23:38] <bod_> thanks
[23:39] <Seeker`> Now, is anyone able to change it?
[23:39] <bod_> i thought only priviliged ops could edit factoids?
[23:40] <Seeker`> bod_: that is correct. I was wondering if any of them are around,
[23:40] <bod_> oh, you havent changed it,.,.
[23:41] <bod_> mneptok, are you still about?
[23:41] <Seeker`> bod_: They dont let me play with the bots
[23:41] <bod_> Seeker`, theres probably a good reason for that ;~)
[23:44] <LjL-Mobile> i'm on a cellphone, don't ask me to find out how to copypaste :p
[23:45] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: Who else can edit the factoids?
[23:46] <bod_> LjL-Mobile, what? can anyone edit it
[23:46] <Seeker`> bod_: They let LjL play with the bots
[23:46] <bod_> thats because he's got a 3 letter name and bot is 3 letters,.,.see simple
[23:47] <Seeker`> Not sure it works like that, how do you explain ompaul
[23:47] <bod_> !ompaul
[23:47] <ubotu> ompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy
[23:47] <bod_> like that
[23:47] <LjL-Mobile> seeker`: a few people. I'll poke one about it when one is around
[23:47] <bod_> LjL-Mobile, cheers
[23:47] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: cool.
[23:48] <bod_> my internet will be cut off in the next 10-20 mins ,.,.just a heads up
[23:50] <LjL-Temp> ok paste the factoid again please
[23:51] <bod_> !gq
[23:51] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:51] <bod_> needs to read
[23:51] <LjL-Temp> %whoami
[23:51] <bod_> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:52] <LjL-Temp> !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:52] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL-Temp
[23:52] <LjL-Temp> !no gq is <alias> goodquestion
[23:52] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[23:52] <Seeker`> ah, there is a typo in the URL
[23:53] <bod_> url needs to be     http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[23:53] <Seeker`>  !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said:  !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <bod_> wicked
[23:53] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[23:54] <bod_> yep,.all seems to work ,.,.cheers
[23:55] <bod_> LjL-Temp, thanks alot,.,.
[23:55] <LjL-Temp> welcome
[23:56] <LjL-Temp> i was missing a real keyboard anyway
[23:56] <Seeker`> LjL-Temp: How did you get hold of one?
[23:57] <LjL-Temp> Seeker`: i have a laptop, but dialup is pretty expensive for just idling around on irc (which GSM is pay-by-traffic so as long as y'all aren't oververbose :P)
[23:57] <LjL-Temp> s/which/while/
[23:58] <Seeker`> TLA FTW
[23:58] <bod_> TLA FTW?? please un abreviate for the less-knowledgeable
[23:59] <LjL-Temp> three letters acronyms for the win
[23:59] <bod_> thankin you


[04:18] <YoussefAssad> this might be a tad old, but it's still a cool picture... http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4359/958/1600/dsci1407.jpg


[08:39] <xnox> cjwatson, is there a direct url to https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/precise/amd64/chroot_url
[08:40] <xnox> e.g. launchpad.net/+chroot_url or some such to directly download the chroot tarball?
[09:03] <cjwatson> xnox: no
[09:07] <xnox> ack.
[09:14] <cjwatson> xnox: note that manage-chroot exists though


[04:50] <MarkMaglana> hi all o/
[11:02] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[12:17] <mup_> Issue operator#261 opened: Harness should support pod-spec-set <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/261>
[12:17] <mup_> Issue operator#262 opened: Harness should support resource-get <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/262>
[12:18] <mup_> Issue operator#263 opened: Harness should support storage-get and storage-add <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/263>
[12:30] <mup_> PR operator#264 opened: Test harness backend calls <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/264>
[15:11]  * facubatista -> lunch
[16:03] <mup_> Issue operator#265 opened: Auto determining handlers is actually not recommended <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/265>
[16:21] <cmars> hi, what's the best way to ask for a review of an operator charm? is here the right place to ask, or should i start a discourse thread (and if so, how/where/what category)?
[16:22] <cmars> this is my charm: https://github.com/cloud-green/timescaledb-charm/tree/master/charm/timescaledb. really simple timescaledb subordinate that adds the extension to postgresql
[16:23] <cmars> want to rid myself of any bad habits before they get too ingrained :) esp as i'm considering some non-trivial ones next...
[16:37] <mup_> Issue operator#266 opened: 'smooth' pypi project name <Created by phinate> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/266>
[16:46] <facubatista> cmars, hello!
[16:48] <facubatista> cmars, this is the correct place to ask, yes! we don't have a structure to annotate these, I will open an issue in the project so this is not forgotten
[16:50] <mup_> Issue operator#267 opened: Review timescaledb-charm <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/267>
[16:50] <facubatista> cmars, ^
[16:52] <cmars> facubatista: thanks!
[16:57] <mup_> PR operator#258 closed: docs: first pass at sphinx-built API docs <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/258>
[17:17] <mup_> PR operator#268 opened: docs: rtd uses 'sphinx<2', which is slightly different <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/268>
[17:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: if you could once-over this to make sure it's not entirely wrong i'd appreciate it
[17:18] <facubatista> Chipaca, 268, you say?
[17:19] <Chipaca> yeh
[17:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: i thought i'd land the docs one and build rtd, and it failed because they're using 'sphinx<2'
[17:19] <Chipaca> (in their defense, that's what sphinx calls stable)
[17:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, you landed already the other branch?
[17:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: yes
[17:22] <facubatista> Chipaca, any reason you didn't create the reqs file? what dependency shall I install for this?
[17:23] <Chipaca> facubatista: eh, i'll add a docs/req
[17:23] <Chipaca> facubatista: pushed
[17:24] <Chipaca> facubatista: suspecting we're going to also need to add a requirements.txt with PyYAML in it
[17:24] <Chipaca> but we'll see
[17:30] <facubatista> Chipaca, I think we should have a requirements.txt and requirements-dev.txt as most Python projects, and also maybe a docs/requirements.txt for the documentation part alone
[17:31] <Chipaca> facubatista: i think we're in agreement (modulo the little discussion of whether it was req-dev or dev-req, i think we all agreed)
[17:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: 268 adds docs/req
[17:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: and i might push one that adds a /req if needed for the docs, otherwise we can do it next week
[17:32] <Chipaca> i'm supposed to be off today but wanted to get rtd set up :)
[17:39]  * Chipaca turns the oven on for pizza time
[17:39] <facubatista> Chipaca, I get this
[17:39] <facubatista> Sphinx error:
[17:39] <facubatista> master file /home/facundo/canonical/operator/docs/contents.rst not found
[17:39] <facubatista> Chipaca, note that I did *not* really try IRL the previous branch
[17:40] <facubatista> (so not sure if this error always was there or it's because current branch)
[21:17] <Chipaca> facubatista: not sure where you got that error, but that's what you get with sphinx<2 on current master; that's part of what 268 fixes
[22:14] <facubatista> Chipaca, ah, silly me
[22:15] <facubatista> Chipaca, +1ed
[22:15] <facubatista> and with that, /me eods
[22:15] <facubatista> and eows, see you all on Monday!
[22:17] <Chipaca> facubatista: o/ thanks!
[22:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: oohh
[22:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, uuhh
[22:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, ?
[22:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://operator-framework.readthedocs.io/en/latest/contents.html
[22:20] <Chipaca> facubatista: some things still not 'right', and the domain isn't the definitive one, but, getting there
[22:20] <facubatista> Chipaca, great
[22:21] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm also EOWing
[22:21] <facubatista> bye!


[08:54] <mlankhorst> oh.. morning btw
[09:20]  * bryce waves
[09:21] <mlankhorst> still awake? :)
[11:48] <mlankhorst> hm, I didn't manage to find the underlying cause of bug #1010794 , but enabling the solid fill hw operation fixes it, might even be sru'able if lucky
[12:26] <mlankhorst> hmm.. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/commit/?id=e55644bca2fa225d7d4f58d59fe41d714ae342c4 *amusedly wonders what kind of massive memory leak that must have been*
[17:23] <bryce> mlankhorst, looks good.  I like your thorough regression potential section
[17:25] <mlankhorst> bryce: yeah needs more testing though, but I fear I need to figure out what is going on in the exa fallback first so I'll update it again with the complete fix
[17:25] <mlankhorst> so far it seems nouveau_exa's memcpy fallback ignores tiling leading to garbage, but it's not what's causing issues
[17:27] <mlankhorst> oh heh..
[17:28] <mlankhorst> then you have nouveau_exa_prepare_access ignoring tiling altogether
[17:29] <mlankhorst> why did it have to be so simple
[17:29] <mlankhorst> it's eod for me so tomorrow I'll send a full fix
[17:40] <bryce> ok sounds good
[17:53] <mlankhorst> I want to sru the nvrefresh one too, and the vblank fix too but that one doesn't have a bug report associated. We enable vblank by default though so it's going to hit us harder than others. :/
[17:53] <mlankhorst> *g0ne*
[17:56] <bryce> mlankhorst, ok sounds good, let me know if you need help with any of this
[18:33] <mlankhorst> bryce: not atm, only thing I still need for the sru is finding a bug I can pinpoint to the vblank race condition
[18:34]  * bryce nods
[18:35] <bryce> mlankhorst, if you're able to reproduce the issue, feel free to file the bug report yourself.
[18:35] <bryce> but yeah if someone else has already reported it, always nice to repurpose their report into an sru :-0
[18:35] <mlankhorst> yeah that's the hard part right now, it mostly affects triple buffering :-)
[18:36] <mlankhorst> but I didn't look much into it yet wanted to understand the corruption bug better first
[18:37]  * bryce nods
[22:28] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: wonderful, lightdm in precise adds -nr and we dropped the -nr patch in quantal :)
[22:33] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[22:33] <RAOF> Didn't think of that when dropping the patch.
[22:35] <RAOF> Manganese dioxide I need?
[22:35] <RAOF> Who sends spam for _Manganese dioxide_ ?


[09:35] <trijntje> when are the translations pulled from launchpad to build the localised docs for trusty?
[09:36] <trijntje> I noticed some untranslated strings in the installed docs that were translated the 9th, did the last export happen before this date?
[14:23] <slickymasterWork> *#%$@ connection
[14:31] <dsmythies> trijntje: The last po file cycle for ubuntu-docs was sometime on Sunday, April 6th. See also:
[14:31] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[14:31] <dsmythies> due to an very very late change in ubuntu-docs, and extra few days were added past the April 3rd deadline.
[14:31] <dsmythies> So yes, A translation done on April 9th missed the deadline for 14.04, but will be in the first update release, when and if, it occurs.
[14:31] <dsmythies> Are you not on the translators e-mail list? The list got updates on this.
[14:34] <dsmythies> trijntje: For the Ubuntu Serverguide, the last po file export for 14.04 is in approximately 6 hours.
[16:07] <trijntje> dsmythies: thanks, I missed that the exact date for the export was in that email. Too bad that trusty will ship with a bit of the docs untranslated, hopefully they will update it soon
[21:54] <belkinsa> pleia2, should I leave the Doodle poll for the Doc Team's meeting open?  And if so, how  long?
[21:55] <knome> belkinsa, until you announce the meeting.
[21:55] <belkinsa> Which should be a week in advance?
[21:57] <knome> whatever you think is a fair time
[21:57] <belkinsa> Alright, I was planing to close it because there wasn't anymore responses.


[04:01] <Zakko> Greetings! Was wondering if someone could point a noobie in the right direction.
[04:01] <Zakko> The question is as follows:
[04:01] <Zakko> just bought a laptop, Acer Aspire 6930G
[04:01] <Zakko> it has the Intel Wifi chip
[04:02] <Zakko> and I have on my 2nd partion Ubuntu Studio 8.10
[04:02] <Zakko> however, I am unable to toggle the wifi
[04:02] <Zakko> with my limited computer experiece
[04:03] <Zakko> what would be the best way to go about resolving this: I have read it is an issue with the kenelolder than 2.6.27\\/
[19:07] <kennethr1> I think I'm getting a kernel panic on 8.10 via Wubi on Vista....I'm suspicious of the wireless...Broadcom BCM4311...how can I enable dumps/get  a backtrace?


[00:00] <sander^home> How come sailfish os have android bindings?
[00:00] <sander^home> Couldnt ubuntu do the same?
[00:01] <sander^home> That way we can easily get over all opensource java apps from android into ubuntu.
[00:03] <tmpRAOF> I didn't know they had android bindings.
[00:04] <tmpRAOF> But the reason would be: because no-one has written them :)
[00:04] <tmpRAOF> (Also, because Android bindings get you less and less benefit over time, as things move into Play services, where Google can actually keep them updated)
[00:13] <sander^home> tmpRAOF, is it possible to run android in dual boot mode with eg. sailfish or cyanogenmod?
[00:13] <sander^home> or stock android.
[00:14] <tmpRAOF> Yes; IIRC there's an app in the (Google) store that does exactly that.
[00:14] <tmpRAOF> Probably requiring root :)
[00:14] <sander^home> tmpRAOF, sorry. I meant. ubuntu and cyanogenmod at the same time?
[00:15] <tmpRAOF> Yeah, that's the question I answered :)
[00:15] <sander^home> what is the app name?
[00:39] <popey> sander^home: fyi there is already a java app in the store. the bitcoin app uses (and ships) a full JRE inside the click package
[00:39] <popey> this is why it's the biggest app in the store, last time I checked :)
[07:52] <jgdx> Wellark_, putting [1] into a silo. Do you know when it'll be top approved? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/indicator-network/lp1411714-14.09/+merge/247407
[09:45] <silviu> Hi
[09:46] <silviu> can someone help me with a problem I'm having with Ubuntu touch recording, with mirscreencast
[09:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! *8OD
[10:51] <cwayne> Elleo, ping
[11:04] <davmor2> cwayne: are you not on a flight
[11:04] <cwayne> davmor2, tomorrow
[11:05] <davmor2> cwayne: blame john-mcaleely he said it was today we thought you'd be able to get 14hours of shut eye today ;)
[11:05] <john-mcaleely> cwayne, can blame me for most things davmor2
[11:06] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: don't we all ;)
[11:08] <Elleo> cwayne: pong?
[11:16] <cwayne> Elleo, how are new keyboard layouts installed?  do we plan to have them as click pkgs?
[11:17] <Elleo> cwayne: thats the eventual plan, currently they're only available as preinstalled debs though
[11:17] <cwayne> Elleo, when do we plan to fix that?
[11:18] <cwayne> at the very least, we'd like to be able to include them in the custom tarball
[11:19] <Elleo> cwayne: its on the list for this cycle, but not currently high in the schedule (but that might chamge after mondays planning meeting)
[11:20] <Elleo> cwayne: theres a few things we need to do first like confining maliit and/or simplifying the layout format
[11:20] <cwayne> Elleo, its something we would definitely want/need for future images
[11:20] <cwayne> Elleo, yeah, i figured that for clicks
[11:21] <Elleo> at the moment each layout is QML + a .so plugin, which isnt great
[11:21] <cwayne> Elleo, clicks would be ideal, but being able to include them in /custom would  be a big step forward already
[11:22] <Elleo> cwayne: I can probably adapt maliit to search for plugins there, would anything else be needed for that?
[11:23] <cwayne> Elleo, not that I would know of, but I could check
[11:24] <Elleo> cwayne: okay cool, if you can get me any details about the /custom process and the prefered location and file it in a bug report I can see abput getting it scheduled before the .click stuff
[11:25] <cwayne> Elleo, cool, thanks, I'll get some info and get it over to you ASAP
[11:25] <Elleo> cwayne: thanks
[11:44] <mandel> pitti, morning! one small question, do you know how I could debug an interaction I have with Udisk. I have an obj path with the FileManager interface and no Mount Points that I want to mount, I call Mount with auth.no_user_interaction=true yet the reply for dbus never reaches me
[11:45] <mandel> pitti, all this in golang (so,something in the dbus packaged could be wrong)
[11:49] <mandel> pitti, looking at dbus-monitor the properties changed does send an update with the new mount point => http://paste.ubuntu.com/9954928/
[12:08] <Wellark_> jgdx: top approved.
[12:08] <Wellark_> jgdx: do you have vivid silo as well?
[12:08] <Wellark_> jgdx: if you do, it takes me 10 minutes to get you a corresponding vivid MP
[12:30] <danguafer> what's the general linux API for touch programming?
[12:34] <Wellark_> jgdx: vivid counter part: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/indicator-network/lp1411714-15.04/+merge/248104
[13:17] <jgdx> Wellark_, I was aiming for vivid. Thanks
[13:18] <jgdx> seb128, hi, the fix in [1] actually fixes the test and as you can see the test failures in the most recent AP run are new. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-background-test/+merge/247955
[13:19] <jgdx> i.e. the most recent AP run did not fail the test_background tests.
[13:21] <seb128> jgdx, great
[13:22] <Wellark_> jgdx: so, be careful not to mix up the MP's :)
[13:22] <jgdx> Wellark_, right!
[13:22] <Wellark_> rtm has 14.09 in the name and vivid 15.04 respectly :)
[13:23] <jgdx> danguafer, in #ubuntu-touch that would be Qt
[13:25] <jgdx> Wellark_, subtle, I like it
[14:21] <seb128> Wellark_, cyphermox, bug #1416424 might be for you, could it be due to the new n-m in vivid?
[14:39] <cyphermox> seb128: could be
[15:18] <davmor2> cyphermox: confirmed here on image84, no wifi in welcome wizard, indicator or uss
[15:18] <cyphermox> Wellark_: ^
[15:30] <davmor2> cyphermox, Wellark_: is there any useful info I can get you? before I start rolling back to see where the issue was introduced?
[15:32] <cyphermox> not especially. file a bug including /var/log/syslog, make sure 'nmcli dev wifi list' shows the list of networks, and it's pretty much good
[15:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: I assume it is the issue that seb128 just pointed you at so I'll add some logs there for you
[15:33] <cyphermox> ok
[15:36] <Wellark_> davmor2: O.o
[15:38] <Wellark_> cyphermox: any dbus-api changes between NM 0.9.8 and 1.0 ?
[15:39] <cyphermox> you mean 0.9.10
[15:40] <cyphermox> I don't know, depends what API you use
[15:40] <Wellark_> well, if it worked with 0.9.10, then yes
[15:40] <davmor2> Wellark_, cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1416424  added syslog and output of 'nmcli dev wifi list'
[15:42] <davmor2> I'm assuming the seg fault bit isn't good :(
[15:42] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: Looks like parts of the internal flash storage in my BayTrail tablet died :/ I'll see what I can do to revive it or circumvent the problem
[15:43] <cyphermox> davmor2: nmcli dev wifi list wlan0
[15:44] <cyphermox> davmor2: the segfault is not great but you get the wifi list, that's what I wanted to know
[15:45] <davmor2> cyphermox: so I get the there is wifi available empty icon on the device but then nothing.
[15:46] <Wellark_> cyphermox: did you test i-network and friends before uploading nm 1.0 ?
[15:46] <Wellark_> I'm flashing now
[15:46] <cyphermox> of course I did, and as I recall things were working
[15:46] <Wellark_> had to check
[15:48] <Wellark_> davmor2: please augment the bug description with full system-image-cli version information
[15:50] <davmor2> Wellark_: done
[15:50] <Wellark_> davmor2: thanks
[15:50] <Wellark_> will test krillin now
[15:50] <davmor2> Wellark_: anything else you need?
[15:51] <Wellark_> davmor2: well, you could check if .cache/upstart/indicator-network.log contains anything
[15:51] <Wellark_> or .log.1.gz
[15:51] <davmor2> Wellark_: sure give me 5
[15:51] <Wellark_> davmor2: just slam them in pastebin or something
[15:51] <Wellark_> thanks!
[15:52] <davmor2> Wellark_: lets not waste the pastebin it says this twice :) *** Received Terminated. ***
[15:55] <Wellark_> davmor2: ok, so nothing interesting there
[15:56] <Wellark_> davmor2: just to double check, mako == n4, right?
[15:57] <cyphermox> yes
[15:57] <Wellark_> davmor2: btw, di you do an ordinary flash, or with --wipe or --bootstrap?
[15:59] <davmor2> Wellark_: I always bootstrap
[15:59] <davmor2> Wellark_: kills any modified config files so tests are fresh
[16:00] <Wellark_> davmor2: yep
[16:00] <Wellark_> davmor2: I'm just wondering.. in the bug report you say "even when the phone has automatically connected to a saved network"
[16:01] <Wellark_> so was the wifi list OK in the wizard?
[16:01] <Wellark_> and was it working after the first boot?
[16:01] <davmor2> Wellark_: Nope there was no wifi listed anywaere
[16:01] <Wellark_> davmor2: how were you able to have a "saved network" then?
[16:01] <davmor2> Wellark_: I rebooted the device after first boot + setup and still no wifi
[16:02] <davmor2> Wellark_: I didn't someone else reported the bug and I assume they ota'd
[16:02] <davmor2> Wellark_: I can soon test that theory though
[16:02] <Wellark_> davmor2: oh, right.
[16:02] <Wellark_> davmor2: that explains
[16:03] <Wellark_> oh, well.. this is one way to spent the Friday evening..
[16:06] <Wellark_> cyphermox: is there a doc that explains the D-Bus API changes in NM between 0.9.10 and 1.0 ?
[16:08] <cyphermox> Wellark_: it's not the first time I'm trying to tell you there is no 1.0, we're not there yet.
[16:08] <cyphermox> https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/0.9/spec.html
[16:09] <cyphermox> fwiw, I just flashed my krillin with devel-proposed and things came up #1 from the start.
[16:10] <Wellark_> cyphermox: so what version did you upload to vivid, and what was the previous version it replaced?
[16:10] <cyphermox> <IP_ADDRESS> to 0.9.10
[16:10] <Wellark_> right.
[16:10] <Wellark_> so is there a delta doc somewhere on the dbus api changes from <IP_ADDRESS> to 0.9.10 ?
[16:12] <Wellark_> I also finished flashing devel-proposed on krillin and everything seems ok
[16:13] <Wellark_> next, mako
[16:18] <kenvandine> Wellark_, each time i go to Carrier->APN it I see a new "Internet" named APN in the list, without even opening the editor
[16:18] <kenvandine> i can back out and go back and the list has one more
[16:18] <kenvandine> and... it now never activates the provisioned context
[16:19] <kenvandine> meaning... no mobile data for me
[16:19] <kenvandine> Wellark_, this is vivid-proposed on mako
[16:19] <Wellark_> kenvandine: that's the bug we discussed yesterday
[16:19] <Wellark_> jonas should be on it
[16:19] <kenvandine> ok... surprised it's adding a new context just going to the page
[16:19] <Wellark_> basically the values that are stored in apn editor never reach ofono
[16:19] <kenvandine> not even going to the editor
[16:20] <kenvandine> or trying to activate one
[16:20] <kenvandine> this is the page that lists the contexts
[16:20] <Wellark_> yes.
[16:20] <Wellark_> it's weird
[16:20] <kenvandine> and... mobile data doesn't work
[16:20] <kenvandine> it won't activate the provisioned one
[16:20] <kenvandine> i can't see how going to the page could make it try to activate a new context
[16:21] <kenvandine> Wellark_, note also... i removed all the contexts and rebooted
[16:21] <kenvandine> it still happens
[16:21] <kenvandine> and... now wifi seems broken... not seeing my network
[16:21] <kenvandine> the list is from earlier, when i wasn't at home
[16:21] <Wellark_> kenvandine: yes, as the editor sees an empty context and tries to turn that into a custom context, but as the modifications don't go through
[16:21] <kenvandine> but the provisioned one isn't empty
[16:21] <Wellark_> as there is $breakage
[16:22] <kenvandine> list-contexts shows all the info, looks right
[16:22] <kenvandine> but it won't activate it
[16:22] <Wellark_> jgdx: have you had a chance to look at the apn editor problem on vivid?
[16:22] <kenvandine> Wellark_, this is more than just the apn editor
[16:22] <kenvandine> if i remove all the contexts and reboot
[16:22] <kenvandine> never open settings at all
[16:22] <kenvandine> it won't connect
[16:22] <jgdx> Wellark_, kenvandine, not yet. It's not targeted for w7 yet, is it?
[16:23] <jgdx> probably should
[16:23] <kenvandine> so i don't think this is really a settings issue
[16:23] <kenvandine> i can get it back to  a state where there is the single provisioned context
[16:23] <kenvandine> that worked fine until wednesday
[16:23] <Wellark_> kenvandine: not connecting after you remove everything and reboot would be ofono/nm problem then
[16:23] <kenvandine> reboot the phone and never open settings
[16:23] <kenvandine> right
[16:24] <Wellark_> cyphermox: ^
[16:24] <kenvandine> and might be the root cause of why the APN editor is doing what it's doing
[16:24] <Wellark_> kenvandine: I'm pretty sure the APN editor is a separate issue
[16:24] <kenvandine> Wellark_, also note, earlier this morning the indicator showed the 3g icon... but still no data
[16:26] <Wellark_> right.
[16:27] <kenvandine> Wellark_, rebooting fixed the wifi problem
[16:27] <kenvandine> but it was stuck with a list of access points from where i was this morning
[16:27] <kenvandine> never rescanned
[16:28] <Wellark_> kenvandine: mako wifi driver acts weird sometimes
[16:29] <Wellark_> I've noticed it missing access points that I know are around
[16:29] <Wellark_> and usually my own
[16:29] <Wellark_> even if you force an active scan with "sudo iwlist scan"
[16:29] <Wellark_> they aren't reported by the drived
[16:29] <Wellark_> driver
[16:29] <kenvandine> oh my.. jgdx check this out
[16:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, so after removing all my contexts and rebooting
[16:30] <kenvandine> i do have working data... and the icon shows 3g
[16:30] <kenvandine> but the tech pref in settings is set to 2g
[16:30] <kenvandine> before rebooting it was set to 3g
[16:31] <kenvandine>         TechnologyPreference = umts
[16:31] <Arucarn> Hi, I need some help. I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 2013. I saw some images of the tablet version of Ubuntu Touch. How do I put it into this mode.?
[16:32] <Wellark_> cyphermox: confirmed. no access points shown on mako with devel-proposed, krillin was just fine
[16:33] <cyphermox> except there is no reason for this to be any different between mako and krillin
[16:33] <kenvandine> ok... confirmed it does seem to be the APN page that messes things up... mobile data was actually working (with the tech pref weirdness)
[16:33] <kenvandine> until i navigated into Carrier->APN
[16:33] <kenvandine> never opened the custom APN editor
[16:33] <kenvandine> just loading the page added a second internet context
[16:33] <kenvandine> and i can no longer connect to the internet
[16:34] <kenvandine> jgdx, so it gets into this situation from that page in settings
[16:35] <kenvandine> and once that bogus context is created, nothing works :/
[16:40] <kenvandine> jgdx, i bumped the priority to critical, since this easily gets you into a situation that can't be recovered from.
[16:40] <kenvandine> not without connecting to it with phablet-shell in developer mode
[16:40] <kenvandine> hopefully it never affects krillin
[16:42] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack. I'm on my way out. I'll take a look this weekend.
[16:42] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[16:42] <kenvandine> jgdx, the tech pref thing is weird to
[16:43] <kenvandine> after removing all the contexts and rebooting
[16:43] <kenvandine> it always switches back
[16:43] <kenvandine> maybe that's expected
[16:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you put that bit in the appropriate apn bug too?
[16:43] <jgdx> thanks!
[16:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:43] <jgdx> that is interesting
[16:51] <Wellark_> well, something is different between krillin and mako
[16:55] <Wellark_> cyphermox: when was the p2p0 added to mako?
[16:55] <kenvandine> i'm going to flash vivid on my krillin and see
[16:55] <Wellark_> cyphermox: nm is reporting it as wifi device
[16:56] <Wellark_> i-network is not handling multiple wifi devices in the system
[16:56] <cyphermox> Wellark_: wasn't added, it was always there
[16:56] <Wellark_> cyphermox: reported by NM?
[16:56] <cyphermox> p2p0 is an AP-mode interface for Wifi-Direct
[16:56] <cyphermox> yes
[16:56] <cyphermox> wait, no
[16:56] <cyphermox> but it shouldn't make a difference
[16:56] <cyphermox> we'll need it anyway for hotspot
[16:56] <Wellark_> it does. right now
[16:57] <Wellark_> as i-network just grabs the first wifi device it gets from NM and ignores the rest
[16:57] <cyphermox> awe_: as suggested, it's a matter or multiple devices ^
[16:57] <cyphermox> Wellark_: isn't that a very bad assumption?
[16:58] <Wellark_> and the one it obviously is grapping on mako is the p2p0 hence no access points visible
[16:58] <cyphermox> Wellark_: tbh, I'm happy either way, I could disable them again (that patch must have slipped), but it's something we *will* need
[16:58] <awe_> cyphermox, it's mako only, krilling works fine
[16:58] <davmor2> Wellark_: I'm flashing 81 so far no networking
[16:58] <cyphermox> awe_: yes, because krillin needs to be poked via hybris to enable p2p0
[16:58] <Wellark_> cyphermox: not for a phone release...
[16:58] <awe_> fresh devel-proposed on both
[16:58] <cyphermox> Wellark_: yes.
[16:58] <cyphermox> Wellark_: I mentioned this because we'll need it for wifi hotspot
[16:59] <cyphermox> Wellark_: now whether it is needed for a release *right now* is a different matter
[16:59] <awe_> cyphermox, p2p used to be ignored by NM
[16:59] <cyphermox> awe_: yes
[16:59] <cyphermox> awe_: see above, it will be needed for hotspot. it's possibly just too early to enable it now.
[17:00] <Wellark_> sure, understood. but the code in i-network just is not yet capable of handling two wifi interfaces
[17:00] <cyphermox> maybe it should just be ignored by indicator-network for now
[17:00] <cyphermox> that would possibly be better because later when you want to enable handling two wifi devices, it will be a centralized change
[17:00] <awe_> seems like the easiest patch for now, is have i-network ignore p2p device ( just like NM used to do )
[17:01] <awe_> ;)
[17:01] <cyphermox> awe_: I can also just have them ignored in NM, but there are further complexities to this that I hadn't thought of initially
[17:01] <awe_> that said, not all devices may use the same naming scheme, so we probably need a property that exposes the P2P device name that i-network could query
[17:02] <cyphermox> there isn't a clear way to identify them
[17:02] <cyphermox> the P2P device can be a separate device but not necessarily
[17:02] <cyphermox> and the main wifi device can still export having P2P/AP mode capability
[17:03] <cyphermox> regardless, NM should be able to handle the "p#p#" string because that's used elsewhere too -- for instance, when biosdevname is installed
[17:04] <Wellark_> cyphermox: what is the NM_802_11_MODE of p2p0 ?
[17:04] <cyphermox> can you look at it yourself? my mako isn't charged enough to boot yet
[17:04] <cyphermox> probably very close, but it's not starting just now
[17:04] <Wellark_> will try
[17:12] <awe_> cyphermox, I agree that we can use a default pattern, however on devices that are shipped with ubuntu, if the p2p devices don't fit the pattern, we can use a property to override the default pattern
[17:12] <cyphermox> hmm, what?
[17:12] <cyphermox> sorry, I'm not following :)
[17:13] <cyphermox> a property where?
[17:14] <Wellark_> awe_, cyphermox: could you restore the old behaviour of not exposing p2p0 through NM, please, to quickly restore the wifi functionality on mako
[17:15] <awe_> Wellark_, doing so kills WiFi hotspot and we're going to need the fix in indicator-network anyways...
[17:15] <awe_> should be a trivial patch, no?
[17:15] <cyphermox> awe_: to be fair, we haven't exactly expose hotspot anywhere.
[17:15] <Wellark_> awe_: wifi hotspot is not released yeẗ́
[17:15] <awe_> cyphermox, Wellark_, ack
[17:15] <cyphermox> Wellark_: so as I was saying above, I sure can, but the question was *should we*
[17:15] <cyphermox> awe_: ^
[17:16] <cyphermox> I think it would be better if ChickenCutlass or somebody else could take a decision
[17:16] <Wellark_> well, it's 7pm on a friday night here
[17:16] <awe_> cyphermox, do you have an existing patch that could be applied to NM? or is it more complicated than that?
[17:16] <Wellark_> and people are being ota'ed in a broken system
[17:17] <awe_> this should at minimum warrant an email to the ml
[17:17] <cyphermox> Wellark_: it's not going to change that they've OTA'd, and that they will need to get online somehow to get a new image, or apt-get upgrade
[17:17] <awe_> to give people a heads-up now
[17:17] <cyphermox> awe_: I do have an existing patch for 0.9.8 that should apply just fine.
[17:17] <davmor2> Wellark_: so image 81 works any thing after that doesn't
[17:17] <Wellark_> awe_, cyphermox: --^
[17:17] <awe_> cyphermox, to be clear... if someone had already connected WiFi
[17:18] <awe_> it *should* automatically connect when WiFi is enabled, indicator-network withstanding...
[17:18] <awe_> right?
[17:18] <davmor2> Wellark_: next I'm trying flo manta and you say that krillin works right?
[17:18] <Wellark_> davmor2: krillin works
[17:18] <cyphermox> awe_: yes
[17:18] <awe_> davmor2, I just flashed krillin and yes it works
[17:18] <cyphermox> awe_: so a fair point, for OTA things will still work
[17:18] <davmor2> so trying manta and flo then
[17:18] <awe_> cyphermox, seems like an NM upload is the way to go now
[17:18] <awe_> it's the quickest fix
[17:19] <cyphermox> I'm not convinced it's necessary to be *that* quick about it, but whatever
[17:19] <awe_> that said, we should open a bug against i-network so that we can revert the change
[17:19] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe: I'm just doing an update now from 81 which was the last working to 84
[17:20] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok
[17:20] <awe_> cyphermox, see my comment about ML above.  If we tell people now, it's probably OK to do the upload on Mon
[17:20] <awe_> davmor2, do you concur?
[17:20] <cyphermox> awe_: I mean i-n upload, really ;)
[17:21] <cyphermox> but I'm preparing the patch, checking out what got wrong because I don't think it should have just gone away
[17:21] <awe_> ok
[17:22] <davmor2> awe_: lets double check with the upgrade first then I can update the bug, then yes I see no reason it can't land Monday, one thing you guys need to be aware of though is from Monday vivid comes under QA scrutiny so at that point it will be a critical flaw, just a heads up on that :)
[17:22] <cyphermox> awe_: p2p patch is still there
[17:22] <cyphermox> it's applied, too
[17:22] <cyphermox> it's just not doing what it should due to changes in the backend
[17:23] <cyphermox> davmor2: for vivid?
[17:23] <cyphermox> aren't we trying to release RTM?
[17:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: last image was passed today for rtm
[17:23] <cyphermox> right
[17:24] <rsalveti> rtm is a thing of the past
[17:24] <cyphermox> so why is vivid becoming super-critical?
[17:24] <rsalveti> :-)
[17:24] <awe_> cyphermox, so with the patch applied, technically I shouldn't see it exposed when I run 'nmcli d', right?
[17:24] <awe_> cause I do...
[17:24] <cyphermox> awe_: right
[17:24] <rsalveti> because we're trying to stabilize vivid now
[17:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: because it is the next target
[17:24] <cyphermox> awe_: the patch needs to be different, that's all
[17:24] <awe_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9959774/
[17:24] <cyphermox> rsalveti: oh, I see, stabilizing vivid to branch again, kind of
[17:24] <awe_> mako ( 'nmcli d' )
[17:24] <cyphermox> yes yes
[17:24] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah
[17:25] <cyphermox> awe_: I'm aware of how it looks, I did the dance before for rmnet.
[17:25] <awe_> so the patch is applied, but doesn't work with the new version, so needs to be re-worked
[17:25] <awe_> cyphermox, can you own sending the email to the list once we get results from davmor2?
[17:26] <charles> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-power/lp-1416096-publish-primary-device-state-on-bus-15.04/+merge/248145
[17:26] <kenvandine> charles, woot
[17:26] <Wellark_> need to go to get some food
[17:26] <Wellark_> back soon
[17:27] <kenvandine> charles, is that exposed just for phone?
[17:27] <kenvandine> or desktop too?
[17:28] <charles> kenvandine, action states aren't tied to a menu profile, so it's exposed for all
[17:28] <kenvandine> great
[17:28] <davmor2> awe_, cyphermox, Wellark_:  http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/wifi-broken-but-connected.png so it works if you are connected to something (So auto connects work) but you are screwed if you move away from it.
[17:29] <charles> kenvandine, ie the states are published in /com/canonical/indicator/power, not /com/canonical/indicator/power/phone
[17:31] <davmor2> awe_, cyphermox, Wellark_: updated the bug.
[17:33] <cyphermox> hey giffgaff, I remember that!
[17:34] <davmor2> cyphermox: :)
[17:34] <cyphermox> awe_: running in sbuild nao.
[17:34] <awe_> k
[17:35] <Fishscene> I know it isn't relevant to the conversation and just my opinion, but the picture posted by davmor2 looks quite well-done. GJ art team and dev teams. :)
[17:36] <cyphermox> Fishscene: yeah. you should look at the terminal app ;)
[17:37] <Fishscene> I can't tell if it looks terrible, or it looks awesome enough to win over GUI enthusiasts. :P
[17:54] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe: Flo is broken on 84 checking manta next
[17:55] <cyphermox> ok
[18:04] <davmor2> man I forgot that manta took so long to charge
[18:12] <kenvandine> charles, and my branch that needs your branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1329702_battery_charging_status/+merge/248149
[18:47] <tedg> I remember that one of the examples for scopes was an Open Clipart scope.
[18:47] <tedg> Is there a reason that's not in the store?
[18:49] <charles> kenvandine: both of 'em together WfM on mako r84
[18:51] <kenvandine> charles, thanks!
[18:52] <kenvandine> charles, feel free to add a review for my uss branch :)
[19:00] <seb128> charles, kenvandine, stupid question, but why don't you just watch the upower property on the bus?
[19:01] <kenvandine> seb128, i could add that to our battery backend, wrapping upower's dbus interface
[19:01] <kenvandine> but i'd rather keep it simple, and keep that logic in the indicator
[19:02] <kenvandine> which watches it anyway
[19:02] <seb128> k
[19:02] <seb128> it would be nice if we had a way to create a qml property binded to a dbus property :/
[19:02] <kenvandine> indeed
[19:02] <kenvandine> without a pile of cpp code :)
[19:02] <kenvandine> some qml generator :)
[19:03] <kenvandine> some qml/dbus binding generator :)
[19:04] <tedg> I think in this case you want i-power to do the aggregation of multiple batteries for you. That way it's done the same way everywhere.
[19:05] <kenvandine> and... we can be sure that things like the upower transition get caught early, you couldn't miss the indicator icon not getting updated
[19:06] <kenvandine> but it's easy to not notice the little sting in system-settings not changing :)
[19:06] <kenvandine> so if it breaks again, it'll be quickly obvious
[19:13] <seb128> yeah
[19:13] <seb128> kenvandine, speaking about icon, the new upower has a property with the icon to use for the device
[19:13] <kenvandine> that's cool
[19:13] <seb128> we could use that to display the proper icon in the settings grid
[19:14] <kenvandine> yeah, but we need to look that up to display it on the grid
[19:14] <kenvandine> slower...
[19:14] <kenvandine> it would be nice though
[19:14] <kenvandine> but i still want to speed up startup time more
[19:17] <davmor2> hey guy on vivid you get the volume osd popup at some random point on boots any idea where I should file it?
[19:18] <tedg> davmor2, Random point on boots?
[19:19] <davmor2> tedg: when you flash, or boot the system, mako/flo/manta so far, the volume bar notify-osd just pops up
[19:20]  * tedg reboots
[19:22] <tedg> davmor2, Hmm, I don't see one one boot.
[19:23] <tedg> davmor2, But WRT where to file, it's indicator-sound
[19:24] <davmor2> tedg: d'oh it might only be flash,  I forgot it was the reboot where I ota'd so that might of been treated as a flash too right?
[19:25] <tedg> davmor2, Could be, it could happen in the case where AS and Pulse have different saved values.
[19:25] <tedg> We sync them, but it counts as a volume change.
[19:26] <tedg> We should just disable AS reading in the user session.
[19:26] <tedg> Hmmm
[19:26] <tedg> That'd make life simpler.
[19:29] <davmor2> tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1416520 set it to only after flash for now
[19:34] <charles> kenvandine, approved
[19:35] <charles> kenvandine, I'll put the two branches in the train spreadsheet
[19:35] <davmor2> charles: is that like the new Government Approved, If ken likes it, it must be good, this product is kenvandine approved ;)
[19:36] <charles> davmor2, correct, except "new"... it's always been "if ken likes it"
[19:36] <davmor2> hahahahaha
[19:37] <kenvandine> :-D
[19:57] <AkivaAvraham> Is there a general icon or symbol for ubuntu touch?
[20:14] <davmor2> AkivaAvraham: the normal Ubuntu logo it's all ubuntu :)
[20:14] <AkivaAvraham> davmor2, WRONG! http://itsfoss.itsfoss.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Ubuntu-Unity-Logo.png
[20:14] <AkivaAvraham> Thumbs down, unsubscribed!
[22:23] <taiebot> mm its weird i cannot reboot my phone.. stuck at the rotating logo... My phone worked ok all day decided to restart as i had no bluetooth and now i am stuck
[22:27] <taiebot> reflashing now but wonder what happened could not restart at all. by the way i was on mako vivid 84
[23:59] <sander^home> How do I create a web shortcut?
[23:59] <sander^home> when I try to push the star button in the browser.. I can't find that page again. Dont know where I see shortcuts.


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[12:05] <crimsun> Petaris: sure it does.
[12:05] <crimsun> you need to remove the linux-source-2.6.15 directory and re-extract the linux-source-2.6.15 tarball
[12:06] <Petaris> why?  It was a fresh extract in the first place?
[12:06] <crimsun> dpkg-deb -x /home/crimsun/linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-22.33_all.deb .; usr/src/scripts/; ls gcc-version.sh
[12:09] <Petaris> hrm
[12:09] <Petaris> ahh, I see what happened
[12:33] <Petaris> hrm
[12:33] <Petaris> I wonder if I would want to raise my user address space size
[12:34] <Petaris> there is no help for that option
[12:34] <Petaris> is 1 GB sufficiant?
[12:35] <Petaris> Hello mdz
[01:06] <Petaris> I'm off
[01:06] <Petaris> see you tomarrow
[02:02] <Petaris> While compiling a kernel for my system using the linux-source package and a slightly modified i386 config file I have run into an error: http://phpfi.com/116020
[02:07] <zul> heylo
[02:07] <Petaris> Hello zul
[02:28] <BenC> Petaris: you've slightly broken your modified config
[02:28] <BenC> CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG64 isn't set, which is how set_64bit gets set
[02:35] <Petaris> BenC: I didn't change anything other then 64 GB mem support and amp
[02:35] <BenC> amp?
[02:35] <Petaris> s/amp/smp
[02:36] <BenC> the -server kernel and -server-bigiron kernel has those options enabled
[02:36] <BenC> what config did you modify?
[02:36] <Petaris> the -server kernel brings my box to a crawl for some reason
[02:36] <Petaris> I modified the 2.6.15-21-i386 config
[02:37] <BenC> makes sure you set the CPU to something other than 486 too
[02:37] <Petaris> oh?
[02:37] <BenC> like P4 or whatever it is you are using
[02:37] <Petaris> Opteron
[02:37] <Petaris> but I need a 32bit system
[02:37] <BenC> why not use an amd64 kernel then?
[02:37] <Petaris> for ltsp compatability
[02:38] <BenC> you can use an amd64 kernel with a 32-bit userspace
[02:38] <Petaris> any downfalls to doing so?
[02:38] <infinity> The occasional syscall that gets out of sync, but we'd like bug reports on those so we can fix them anyway.
[02:38] <infinity> (In general, it should work great)
[02:38] <Petaris> hrm
[02:39] <Petaris> this is a production box
[02:39] <BenC> the only ioctl's I'm aware of that aren't translated are the usblp ones
[02:39] <infinity> Petaris: There you go.  Ben's the man.
[02:40] <infinity> In other news, scientists wonder why you need a 32-bit userspace for "LTSP compatibility".
[02:40] <Petaris> Can I switch over to the amd64 kernel without ditching my install thus far?
[02:40] <BenC> yep
[02:40] <infinity> An LTSP server can serve to multiple architectures.
[02:40] <Petaris> infinity: thats what was recomended by ogra in #edubuntu
[02:40] <infinity> Oh.
[02:40] <infinity> Could be a limitation of the way we package LTSP to make it as friendly as possible, then.
[02:41] <infinity> I'll shut up. :)
[02:41] <BenC> is this an LTSP server, or client?
[02:41] <Petaris> server
[02:41] <Petaris> the clients are x86
[02:41] <BenC> not sure why the server architecture matters then, but ok :)
[02:41] <Petaris> the server is a dual opteron with 8 GB of ram
[02:41] <infinity> Oh, dude, then you DEFINITELY want an amd64 kernel on there.
[02:41] <BenC> yeah
[02:42] <Petaris> BenC: I don't know enough about it, so I take ogra's advice
[02:42] <infinity> You're just wasting the hardware otherwise.
[02:42] <BenC> Petaris: hold a second....
[02:42] <Petaris> ok
[02:42] <BenC> Petaris: download an amd64-k8 kernel .deb
[02:42] <BenC> and follow these instructions carefully...
[02:43] <Petaris> where can I grab the kernel from?
[02:43] <Petaris> just apt-get it?
[02:43] <BenC> dpkg-deb --extract linux-image-2.6.15-22-amd64-k8_2.6.15-22.33_amd64.deb tmp
[02:43] <BenC> dpkg-deb --control linux-image-2.6.15-22-amd64-k8_2.6.15-22.33_amd64.deb tmp/DEBIAN
[02:43] <BenC> vi tmp/DEBIAN/control
[02:43] <BenC> replace Architecture: amd64 with Architecture: i386
[02:43] <BenC> save, and exist
[02:43] <BenC> exit
[02:44] <BenC> sudo  dpkg-deb --build tmp .
[02:44] <BenC> Petaris: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/
[02:45] <BenC> then you can do: sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.15-22-amd64-k8_2.6.15-22.33_i386.deb
[02:46] <infinity> BenC: Is there a valid reason we're not performing this hack and uploading it to the archive?
[02:46] <Petaris> hrm
[02:46] <infinity> (It wouldn't be the only package with .debs in the source... Think ia32-libs, etc)
[02:46] <BenC> infinity: we thought about it, but I haven't tested it enough to know that it is "up to snuff"
[02:46] <Petaris> BenC: I can't find that linux-image version
[02:46] <Petaris> linux-image-2.6.15-21-amd64-generic_2.6.15-21.32_amd64.deb                  23-Apr-2006 13:08   20M
[02:46] <Petaris> [   ]  linux-image-2.6.15-21-amd64-k8_2.6.15-21.32_amd64.deb                       23-Apr-2006 13:08   20M
[02:46] <Petaris> [   ]  linux-image-2.6.15-21-amd64-server_2.6.15-21.32_amd64.deb                   23-Apr-2006 13:08   20M
[02:46] <Petaris> [   ]  linux-image-2.6.15-21-amd64-xeon_2.6.15-21.32_amd64.deb                     23-Apr-2006 13:09   19M
[02:47] <Petaris> no 22.33
[02:47] <BenC> 21.32 is fine
[02:47] <Petaris> ok
[02:47] <Petaris> grabbing it now
[02:47] <BenC> infinity: oh, I didn't get a chance to do lrm, so if you have an upload, I'll just wait
[02:48] <infinity> BenC: But you also didn't get a chance to do the fixed kernel, did you?
[02:48] <infinity> BenC: At any rate, I'm not going to upload LRM while Flight-7 is in prep, since that will cause stuff to go out of sync (lrm-common, etc)
[02:51] <Petaris> ok, doing the build
[02:53] <Petaris> ok, done
[02:53] <Petaris> now installing
[02:54] <Mithrandir> BenC: uh, since you didn't upload last night, please hold off any kernel uploads until flight-7 is out.
[02:55] <BenC> Mithrandir: no problem
[02:55] <Petaris> BenC: ok, its installed
[02:55] <Petaris> let me reboot into it
[02:56] <BenC> good luck :)
[02:56] <Petaris> I sure hope so
[02:56] <Petaris> I have to have this box running and configured by the end of the day
[02:56] <Petaris> :/
[02:58] <Petaris> booting
[03:13] <Petaris> BenC: That seems to have done the trick
[03:13] <Petaris> Thanks for all the help
[03:13] <BenC> cool
[03:13] <BenC> glad it worked like I hoped it would :)
[03:14] <Petaris> me too
[03:14] <Petaris> I will just have to keep that in mind when I do updates
[03:19] <BenC> you'll have to manually update your kernel on that system
[03:19] <Petaris> right
[03:21] <Petaris> just wrote those instructions to a file on that system
[03:21] <Petaris> I know that I will forget how to do that before the next time round
[03:21] <Petaris> hehe
[03:24] <Petaris> now to get sound working
[03:24] <Petaris> see ya later guys
[03:24] <Petaris> and thanks again
[04:09] <Mithrandir> BenC: 40436; should it be rejected?
[04:15] <tritium> BenC: are you around?
[04:16] <tritium> :)  May I ask a small favor for your next kernel build?
[04:17] <tritium> Can you please check https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/40009, and make sure the ipw2200 quiesce on shutdown patch gets applied?
[04:17] <mjg59> tritium: It has been
[04:17] <tritium> oh, super :)
[04:17] <mjg59> should be in -22
[04:17] <tritium> I didn't realize that.
[04:18] <tritium> thanks, mjg59
[04:18] <tritium> BenC: I hear you may be pulling in patches from .16 -- any chance you'll include the patches for iMac G5 fan control?
[04:18] <BenC> you heard wrong :)
[04:19] <tritium> doh!
[04:19] <tritium> Well, shoot, I'm out of questions ;)
[04:21] <BenC> Mithrandir: at the very least, it shoudl be moved to udev
[04:22] <Mithrandir> BenC: true, but it's still a policy decision.
[04:54] <BenC> Mithrandir: after studying, I would say it's a reject
[04:54] <BenC> we don't want to support a lot of legacy junk
[05:09] <Mithrandir> BenC: please reject it, then
[05:10] <zul> alright im out of here
[08:42] <Petaris> BenC: Where could I find the kernel headers for that amd64-k8 kernel?
[08:44] <shutdownrunner> Hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu under compaq deskpro 350. all the time I'm getting errors. Under dapper I don't know what the problem is "Attempted to kill init ...", but under breezy I get "Acpi : Unable to load system description database" and something about [_SB_]  not to be found. Have you got any ideas what this is? If you could suggest where I could look for a solution, I'd also be grateful.
[11:57] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping