[00:00] <wirechief> i know that I got my Brother a couple of years ago for $98 bucks at walmart
[00:00] <yoritomo> http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-2300_series
[00:01] <wirechief> printers can be a pita to install ;)
[00:02] <wirechief> well looks like that forum might be promising
[00:03] <yoritomo> see you tomorrow i will try again
[00:04] <wirechief> yoritomo: well get some sleep and try again later with that link and see if you can get it
[00:04] <yoritomo> thanks for your help
[00:04] <wirechief> np
[00:04] <yoritomo> good night
[00:11] <Owner> does anybody know if jaunty will have full support of intel gma 3111
[00:11] <Owner> 3100
[00:25] <wirechief> Owner have you checked for information at www.phoronix.com ?
[00:28] <digitaloktay> it is normally when i am want to
[00:28] <digitaloktay> it is normally when i am want to hi
[00:28] <digitaloktay> hi
[00:28] <digitaloktay> sorry
[00:28] <digitaloktay> :S
[00:28] <digitaloktay> it is normally when i am want to decompress many files and i have then a systemfreeze, Filesystem = ext4
[00:28] <blueyed> (fast)cgi?
[00:28] <Smegzor> Is there a way to configure the new notification applet?  It is reporting every status change for all my contacts in Pidgin and its very distracting.  I can't see a way to stop it in Pidgin.
[00:29] <Logi> digitaloktay: locking up is not normal, no
[00:32] <cwillu> digitaloktay, there's a known issue with ext4 and file deletion (which would probably be temp files in your situation) causing a system lockup
[00:32] <digitaloktay> yes
[00:32] <digitaloktay> how can i convert ext4 to ext3 :)
[00:33] <cwillu> if you enabled extents, I'm not sure you can easily
[00:33] <cwillu> bug #330824
[00:33] <cwillu> digitaloktay, might be as simple as changing ext4 to ext3 in your fstab, depending on what filesystem options are enabled
[00:33] <digitaloktay> cwillu, correct
[00:36] <digitaloktay> UUID=b4575275-015c-40e8-9750-d7240b9af334 /               ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[00:36] <cwillu> digitaloktay, boot up a livecd, and mount the device with ext3 to make sure you can
[00:38] <luckyone> hello all
[00:38] <digitaloktay> hi luckyone
[00:38] <luckyone> I was wondering if there are any workarounds for DRI with intel architectures on Jaunty
[00:39] <luckyone> I just installed netbook remix on my netbook
[00:40] <quassel75> anyone know why a second nvidia card is not detecting any monitors?
[00:40] <luckyone> my 945GME telling me that "get fences failed: -1"
[00:40] <cwillu> luckyone, you can try accelmethod "UXA"
[00:41] <luckyone> cwillu: add that to /etx/X11/xorg.conf in the device section?
[00:41] <cwillu> yes
[00:43] <bernhard> hi, im having problems with my soundcard in kubuntu
[00:43] <bernhard> its a creative audigy
[00:43] <bernhard> driver: snd_ca0106
[00:43] <dtchen> bernhard: specifically?+
[00:43] <bernhard> dtchen: i have no sound
[00:44] <dtchen> bernhard: in ubuntu? kubuntu? xubuntu? ubuntu studio?
[00:44] <bernhard> dtchen: kubuntu 9.04
[00:45] <dtchen> bernhard: please run `ubuntu-bug alsa-base', then tell me the bug number that's reported
[00:45] <luckyone> anyone know the key-combo to restart X on netbook remix? crtl+alt+backspace isn't doing it
[00:45] <bernhard> dtchen: wow, this is nice
[00:46] <cwillu> luckyone, alt-sysrq-k will kill whatever is on the current vterm (x in this case)
[00:46] <bernhard> dtchen: do i have to file a bug?
[00:47] <dtchen> bernhard: well, yes...
[00:47] <dtchen> bernhard: you don't *have* to, but the person who will answer the bug report is conversing with you. it's probably better to reduce the round-trips.
[00:48] <bernhard> dtchen: ah ok
[00:48] <dtchen> but hey, if you want higher latency, don't let me stop you ;)
[00:49] <bernhard> dtchen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/361423
[00:50] <dtchen> bernhard: sec, loading
[00:51] <bernhard> never seen this bug reporting software
[00:51] <bernhard> great stuff :)
[00:51] <luckyone> cwillu: UXA is enabled... glxgears is running about 10th the speed
[00:52] <cwillu> luckyone, make sure you have sync to vblank turned off if you're running compiz
[00:53] <luckyone> cwillu: I have no desktop effects enabled.
[00:53] <cwillu> do you have driconf installed?
[00:54] <luckyone> no
[00:55] <cwillu> luckyone, by running at a 10th of the speed, are you referring to the smoothness of the animation, or the meaningless number that is the reported fps? :p
[00:55] <luckyone> cwillu: installing now
[00:55] <cwillu> no
[00:55] <cwillu> don't
[00:55] <luckyone> cwillu: removing now
[00:55] <cwillu> :)
[00:55] <dtchen> bernhard: please try muting 'IEC958'
[00:56] <cwillu> luckyone, if it's just the fps, don't worry about it too much unless other things are actually rendering poorly
[00:56] <luckyone> cwillu: it was rendering slowly as well
[00:56] <wirechief> cwillu  so far no more freezes with 7.3 mesa
[00:56] <cwillu> wirechief, yay :)
[00:57] <wirechief> ;)
[00:57] <bernhard> dtchen: ok, i get a noise from the speakers, but its no sound
[00:57] <wirechief> now i sure would like to know why the usb-creator is not doing its job
[00:58] <bernhard> dtchen: so they are actually louder muted than unmuted
[00:58] <Barridus> what's the default movie viewer in kubuntu jaunty
[00:58] <matrixblue> kaffeine
[00:58] <matrixblue> Barridus, Kaffeine
[00:59] <dtchen> bernhard: can you try: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[00:59] <Barridus> thanks matrixblue
[00:59] <bernhard> dtchen: muted or unmuted?
[01:01] <dtchen> bernhard: muted.
[01:01] <cwillu> luckyone, https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-launcher/+bug/344443 is related I thnik
[01:05] <luckyone> cwillu: interesting - performance is much better without accelmethod UXA
[01:06] <luckyone> crazy, I guess I should let y'all work out the kinks :)
[01:07] <FiReSTaRT> if i run it off the live cd, can i still run the suspend benchmark utility or would i have to dualboot?
[01:07] <bernhard> dtchen: shall we continue in #alsa?
[01:09] <matrixblue> FiReSTaRT, be a bit more specific please
[01:10] <FiReSTaRT> matrixblue: i read about some utility that's supposed to test the suspend function and send information to the developers.. i wanted to boot jaunty and run it
[01:10] <FiReSTaRT> matrixblue: unless doing a dual boot with intrepid wouldn't be too much of an issue?
[01:11] <matrixblue> FiReSTaRT, what's the name of the utility?
[01:12] <FiReSTaRT> matrixblue: googling it as we speak
[01:13] <FiReSTaRT> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting
[01:14] <FiReSTaRT> matrixblue: that's it.. i'm hoping i can avoid an actual install
[01:16] <matrixblue> FiReSTaRT, if you install the tool while in a live session it *should* work. I've heard of live users suspending and resuming sessions before. You don't have anything to lose by trying ;)
[01:17] <FiReSTaRT> matrixblue: i'll give it a shot.. thanks :)
[01:18] <matrixblue> FiReSTaRT, hope it goes well
[01:20] <FiReSTaRT> i hope it gets fixed .cool
[01:20] <FiReSTaRT> ooops no msn emoticons on the irc ;)
[01:20] <matrixblue> lol
[01:25] <panaggio> system now is at least usable! thanks every one!
[01:25] <panaggio> just trying to solve some "minor" problems =) right now
[01:37] <histo> what happened to wesside-ng
[01:39] <histo> nvm
[01:57] <DrCheese> Linux is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches.
[01:58] <DrCheese> Linux is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches.
[02:03] <thompa1> i945 issues especially if you switch to speed then back to stamina mode nvidia
[02:05] <matrixblue> Where can I find intrepid daily builds? I only see Jaunty on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <thompa1> no compiz on i945
[02:07] <JorgeJorgesson> My update manager does not run automatically anymore.  I have to start it manually.  Is this normal now?
[02:10] <matrixblue> I used the usb-creator to insally jaunty to my flahs drive and I got stuck at a inframs (or something like that) prompt. Any idea?
[02:12] <matrixblue> are any support people even in here?
[02:13] <matrixblue> JorgeJorgesson, I guess so because I manually update all the time
[02:14] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, I thought it was just me
[02:16] <Owner> How is the support for intel gma 3100 on juanty
[02:21] <dan76> I need some help getting the Firefox flash player working after upgrading to Jaunty. I tried a couple of things but its still not working
[02:21] <wirechief> matrixblue intramfs seems to be a common issue
[02:21] <matrixblue> wirechief, How do I solve it?
[02:22] <wirechief> matrixblue: not sure but there is a bug you can contribute to
[02:22] <matrixblue> wirechief, Do you have a link to the bug?
[02:22] <wirechief> lauchpad bug 276822
[02:22] <wirechief> goog that
[02:22] <wirechief> ah well there it is
[02:23] <matrixblue> thank you
[02:23] <matrixblue> I'll do my best
[02:23] <wirechief> basically you need to get a dmesg and a casper log file
[02:23] <matrixblue> wirechief, what are those?
[02:23] <wirechief> i was able to do it by mounting my sda5 partition (i already have ubuntu installed)
[02:24] <wirechief> well there is a wiki giving instructions but i found them inadaquate i had to mount a partition myself
[02:24] <wirechief> i think maybe there is a link to the wiki on that bug
[02:24] <matrixblue> I'm an inexperienced user
[02:24] <wirechief> well thats a great way to gain experience ;)
[02:25] <dan76> flash player plugin, anyone?
[02:25] <wirechief> i will be around for a while here and will try to help you if you want.
[02:25] <matrixblue> dan76, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:25] <wirechief> when you get in the shell you will do a ls
[02:25] <wirechief> and you will see all the stuff in the shell
[02:26] <matrixblue> oh
[02:26] <dan76> matrix: yeah thats the first thing I tried
[02:26] <wirechief> do you have ubuntu already installed ?
[02:26] <matrixblue> Can I just mount a flash drive to do that
[02:26] <matrixblue> yeah I do
[02:26] <wirechief> well lets say your partition you are using for linux is say sda5
[02:27] <dan76> matrix: tried purge then install without sucess
[02:27] <wirechief> you will see there is a /tmp directory already
[02:27] <wirechief> i did mount /dev/sda5 /tmp/stick
[02:28] <wirechief> you have to create the /tmp/stick
[02:28] <matrixblue> is the log on the capster file system?
[02:28] <matrixblue> dan76, http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[02:28] <wirechief> then you can cp the casper.log to /tmp/stick/home/username/casper.log
[02:29] <dan76> matrix: sorry I treid installing the .deb also.
[02:29] <wirechief> your sda5 is really the /tmp/stick with the mounting
[02:29] <matrixblue> dan76, What exactly is the problem?
[02:29] <matrixblue> wirechief, where exactly is the capser.log located?
[02:29] <wirechief> matrixblue when your dropped to the shell you will see the casper.log
[02:30] <matrixblue> ok
[02:30] <wirechief> its in the intramfs which is temp
[02:30] <matrixblue> It affect 8.04 as well
[02:30] <wirechief> thats why you need a permant spot to move it to
[02:30] <matrixblue> wirechief, I hear you
[02:31] <dan76> My firefox and flash was working perfectly under intrepid. Now its broken. After upgrading the browser asked me to re-install plugins. Sometimes I can get video to work (like on youtube) but at BEST its totally out of sync. I can't get some apps to work at all like Pandora
[02:31] <wirechief> and you do the dmesg too  like  dmesg >/tmp/stick/home/username/dmesg.txt
[02:31] <matrixblue> dan76, check to see of you have an alternative flash player installed. If so then remove them
[02:31] <wirechief> that gets those two files that are needed by devs to figure out whats going on
[02:32] <wirechief> and you can just add to the bug explaining what you have tried.
[02:32] <matrixblue> dan76, type about:plugins in firefox's address bar
[02:32] <matrixblue> thanks wirechief
[02:33] <wirechief> i also tried using unetbooten-linux-319  but resulted in the same dropped me into a intramfs
[02:33] <dan76> matrix: yeah...I see that I have the swfdec plugin or at least thats what launches when I try to watch youtube
[02:33] <matrixblue> dan76, remove the swdec
[02:33] <wirechief> matrixblue: the funny thing is that i had one stick it actually worked on ;(
[02:33] <matrixblue> dan76, then restart firefox
[02:34] <matrixblue> It works when I use 8.10
[02:34] <matrixblue> wirechief, but I keep messing them up trying to update it
[02:34] <wirechief> the usb-creator works on 8.10 ?
[02:34] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah. It first started shipping with 8.10
[02:35] <dan76> matrix: hmm, its not even showing up in the browser plugin window
[02:35] <wirechief> when you say update, do you mean upgrade to 9.04 ?
[02:35] <dan76> let me see what apt says
[02:36] <wirechief> well anyways that launchpad bug 276822 is a good place to read of all the sorrow others have had with it ;)
[02:36] <matrixblue> wirechief, no I mean just update
[02:37] <wirechief> well i update with apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:37] <matrixblue> wirechief, I'm narrowing down the problem now. See if it's the ISO or the usb-creator
[02:38] <matrixblue> wirechief, when I tried to update it my file systems suddenly became full even though I had 1.2 GB before
[02:38] <dan76> matrix: looks like its installed but not showing up in Mozilla
[02:38] <wirechief> matrixblue: well since it fails the same way for me with unetbooten i am not sure where the problem lies
[02:38] <matrixblue> dan76, type my full screen name so I can see when you reply please. Which one is installed? swdef or flash?
[02:39] <wirechief> matrixblue: and i have tried it on both desktop and laptop
[02:39] <skyl> http://dpaste.com/33598/
[02:39] <matrixblue> a little trial and error won't hurt
[02:39] <dan76> matrixblue: both it looks like
[02:40] <corinth> Is there a way to change where the new notification popups display?
[02:40] <matrixblue> remove swdef
[02:40] <matrixblue> corinth, I don't think so
[02:40] <corinth> matrixblue: Thanks
[02:40] <dan76> matrixblue: is there a way to do a wildcard remove under apt...* doesn't seem to work
[02:41] <crdlb> quote or escape it
[02:41] <matrixblue> dan76, use synaptic if apt is a problem
[02:42] <crdlb> if there are any matches to that glob in the current directory, the shell will happily expand it for you before it gets to apt-get
[02:42] <wirechief> matrixblue: good luck with your bug reporting, maybe we will get enough info for the devs to fix this problem
[02:42] <matrixblue> hopefully
[02:42] <wirechief> i gotta catch a train .. later...
[02:42] <matrixblue> I'm gonna reboot soon as dan gets sorted out
[02:44] <matrixblue> dan76, remove that swdef, restart firefox and your problems should be solved. Also mak e sure gnash isn't installed
[02:45] <matrixblue> I'm gonna reboot
[02:45] <matrixblue> bbl
[02:47] <lukavia> holla
[02:48] <lukavia> what are the bennefits with ext4 ?
[02:48] <Ienorand> lukavia: speed and instability
[02:48] <FiReSTaRT> lukavia: larger file support and i think it keeps things neeter
[02:48] <crdlb> the adrenaline rush from potential data loss :)
[02:49] <Ienorand> Continuous stress also keeps you in shape.
[02:49] <FiReSTaRT> i'm glad i saw this exchange.. initially i was looking forward go ext4 but i'm assuming there has been plenty of data loss ?
[02:50] <Ienorand> Not actually... We're just being silly... There have been some reports, I'm on ext4 on a usb drive and it's working fabously...
[02:51]  * crdlb wasn't being silly
[02:52] <matrixblue> I'm back
[02:53] <dan76> matrixblue: thanks for your help. I haven't run it through all its paces but flash does appear to running
[02:53] <matrixblue> dan76, not a prob
[02:53] <Ienorand> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781 mentions some... but most people seem to have it running fine...
[02:54] <Ienorand> And oh, that one had been fixed.
[02:54] <matrixblue> Ienorand, If I have lost data I'm unaware of doing so
[02:55] <dan76> matrixblue: I believe the problem started with the internal firefox dialogue which presents you with 3 options to install. I may have installed the swfdec by accident or maybe it did it all on its own but either way its an issue. Everyday users won't know the difference or what to install :(
[02:56] <matrixblue> dan76, it wouldn't be a problem if the open source alternatives had the same functionality as the original client
[02:56] <matrixblue> but alot of users (myself included) had that problem
[02:57] <matrixblue> dan76, and for some reason gnash and swdef take priority over the nonfree plugin
[02:58] <dan76> matrixblue: Hmm, are those outdated now?
[02:59] <matrixblue> dan76, I don't know. I do that for watch my naruto videos they are worthless. With the dawn of things like Hulu where more people will be using Flash to watch TV in HD gnash and Swdef need to step up to the plate
[03:00] <matrixblue> dan76, if we were still use flash just for some pretty animations when we'd be perfectl happy with them
[03:02] <dan76> matrixblue: thanks again...the only other problem that I found with my upgrade is that my VirtualBox broke  but I haven't even looked at it
[03:03] <matrixblue> dan76, when you start virtual box it should tell you the command to run to compile it in the kernel again. However, a new version of virtualbox came out a day or two ago so it may best to just upgrade
[03:04] <dan76> matrixblue: yes, I saw that they had a new version. How cool is Linux that you can run Windoze under it. I can even sync my Iphone!
[03:04] <matrixblue> dan76, very cool indeed
[03:05] <matrixblue> dan76, I like how I can run it from a flash drive (like I am now) and keep all my information private
[03:08] <dan76> matrixblue: yes, I almost installed it to a flashdrive...but I couldn't find a suitable size. I didn't want to use my 16gig and I only had a crappy 256meg otherwise. do you think it runs faster off a flashdrive?
[03:09] <matrixblue> dan76, no not faster
[03:10] <matrixblue> dan76, you can use the Usb Creator and turn you 16 Gig into a Live-USB. It won't format your drive so all your files will still be there
[03:10] <dan76> matrixblue: I have not played with the security features of ubuntu like the encrypted HD but I am intrigued. Can that be extended to USB based drive?
[03:10] <matrixblue> For an encrypted HD I'd use TrueCrypt
[03:10] <dan76> matrixblue: yeah...I could do that but I need my drive for otherthings...like swapping movies with my friends
[03:11] <matrixblue> the entire setup will take a minimum of 700 megs
[03:12] <matrixblue> more depending on How much storage you wanna set aside to save documents and install additional programs
[03:12] <dan76> I have a 2 gig sitting around here somewhere but the dang things are so small I can't find it...haha
[03:13] <matrixblue> dan76, so you can give Ubuntu  a 1 gig and still have you Flash drive swap moves and stuff with buddies
[03:13] <matrixblue> dan76, as far as truecrypt goes it has several options and runs on windows, mac and linux
[03:14] <dan76> matrixblue: is TrueCrypt free or commercial?
[03:14] <matrixblue> dan76, Truecrypt is complete Free AND Open Source
[03:14] <dan76> sweet
[03:14] <matrixblue> www.truecrypt.org
[03:15] <matrixblue> I have my documents and pictures encrypted on my flash drive
[03:15] <dan76> matrixblue: thanks for the heads up...I will definitely look into it.  Never know when the MAN is going to come knocking on your door. Last thing I need is to get some huge RIAA fine because they find some music on my HD.
[03:16] <matrixblue> Only prob is you need admin right on whatever system you using
[03:16] <matrixblue> not a prob for me cuz I use portable linux :D
[03:16] <matrixblue> dan76, LOL @ RIAA
[03:16] <matrixblue> dan76, Do they really do that?
[03:17] <dan76> matrixblue: I unfortunately have terrabytes of data that could be suspicious
[03:17] <matrixblue> I live in The Bahamas so copyright issues never bothered me
[03:17] <matrixblue> dan76, oh wow then you need to encrypt
[03:17] <matrixblue> Truecrypt has a WIDE array of options
[03:18] <dan76> matrixblue: RIAA ...they love to fine...usually on the order of 10-20K USD
[03:18] <matrixblue> IMHO it's best program
[03:19] <Strider^> hi
[03:19] <Strider^> i'm trying to get ia32-apt-get working
[03:19] <dan76> matrixblue: thanks again ...see you around...
[03:19] <matrixblue> dan76, take care
[03:20] <matrixblue> Strider^, what wrong with your apt-get?
[03:20] <Strider^> now i get a nice core dump when doing apt-get update >_<
[03:20] <Strider^> apparently ia32-apt-get is a new package to install 32bit libs in a 64bit environment
[03:21] <lukavia> can we compare FAT32 with ntfs like ext3 to ext4 ?
[03:32] <luckyone> should netbooks run lpia rather than i386?
[03:39] <td123> what's lpia?
[03:40] <td123> isn't lpia, x86?
[03:41] <td123> ahhh, nvm
[03:43] <jtholmes> !lpia
[03:43] <jtholmes> !lpai
[03:44] <luckyone> td123: low power intel architecture
[03:47] <td123> ya :dc
[03:47] <td123> that's why I said nvm
[03:52] <Strider^> \o/
[03:53] <Strider^> espxe 1.6 running in Ubuntu 64bit
[04:16] <RichardWolfVI> hola
[04:16] <RichardWolfVI> pardon, ho
[04:16] <RichardWolfVI> *hi
[04:16] <RichardWolfVI> I'm having problems after actuvating UXA with my GMA X3500
[04:17] <RichardWolfVI> Ubuntu starts in limited graphics mode and I can't use Compiz fusion
[04:19] <Logi> I just activated UXA on my i965 or some such and it *flies*
[04:19] <Logi> and since I just downgraded my mesa libs as well, X doesn't lock up 5 times a day any more
[04:19]  * Logi goes happy to dinner
[04:21] <sagredo> yo yo yo ubuntus - my tracker-applet is erroring out the wazoo  seriously distracting my attention " Index corrupted"; I've  'updatedb' multiple times but this bug persists. Help
[04:23] <Mark_Milliman> sagredo, I have been getting that as well until I killed it.
[04:24] <RichardWolfVI> it seems it has problems detecting my monitor
[04:25] <RichardWolfVI> it's an Acer AL1916W
[04:28] <sahak> hello
[04:28] <nztal> anyone aware of any time management applications that can be used in jaunty ?
[04:29] <sahak> I just downloaded the latest 64 bit 20090414.2/  Ubuntu 9.04 LiveCD and installation of Adobe Flash Player from Firefox does not work. Can anybody else reproduce this?
[04:30] <sahak> i am talking about ubufox here
[04:30] <xangua> sahak Adobe has not developed a flash for any 64 bits OS
[04:30] <sahak> xangua, but ubufox offers the 32 bit version of the plugin. Which used to work fine on previous releases.
[04:31] <SwissCheese> yes they have...
[04:32] <bernhard> http://www.spongedpaste.com/index.php?l=9f7f1199d8
[04:32] <bernhard> any idea whats the problem?
[04:32] <|ns|nR8> virtualbox kernel module for 9.04 isnt out yet im guessing
[04:33] <|ns|nR8> Couldn't find package virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.28-11-generic
[04:36] <SwissCheese> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[04:37] <Barridus> so what's the trick to get kde to start with a fresh session?  :)
[04:37] <Barridus> i'm digging around and not finding it
[04:38] <SwissCheese> logout?
[04:38] <Barridus> ...
[04:38] <xangua> log in...
[04:39] <Barridus> everything launches when i do?
[04:39] <xangua> what launches ¿¿
[04:39] <Barridus> whatever i did not close prior to shutdown
[04:40] <Barridus> i'm not getting a fresh session and i'd like enable that for logins
[04:40] <xangua> since i use Gnome i can't help you
[04:40] <xangua> but in Gnnome there is also an option to start with the programs that were opened the last session
[04:43] <albertito> Hi! I've just upgraded to jaunty (I know it's still beta). It worked fine, except for a strange font  issue in the terminal. I use XFCE, via my own .xsession file that starts xfce-session. After the upgrade,  the terminal fonts look bad (http://imgur.com/266PM.png), although if I start a gnome session they look  fine (http://imgur.com/266SE.png)
[04:43] <sahak> SwissCheese: dowloading directly from Adobe.com works. However ubufox installer does not work.
[04:43] <HorizonXP_2> hey, i just installed the beta from CD on my laptop. it has an Intel 945G chipset graphics card. it's working, but it seems the effects are a little slow/laggy. didn't have this problem in previous versions. is this a known issue?
[04:43] <albertito> They used to look like the ones on gnome. Any ideas what might be going on, or how can I get the good-looking fonts back in XFCE?
[04:45] <Barridus> xangua, yeah i'm looking for something similar but no go
[04:47] <SwissCheese> sahak, never heard of it... do you really need it...
[04:47] <sahak> SwissCheese: it is the most common way to install Adobe Flash Player.
[04:48] <SwissCheese> ummm, I just did the adobe d/l and installed that.
[04:48] <luckyone> anyone know much about the lpia architecture?
[04:50] <sahak> SwissCheese: if you install Ubuntu from scratch, and then visit a site in Firefox which has a flash plugin, Firefox will offer to install the plugin. If you say yes, it installs flashplugin-nonfree package. It used to work in previous versions of Ubuntu, but it does not work in Ubuntu 9.04
[04:52] <HorizonXP_2> how can I get update the Wine programs menu?
[04:54] <marcham89> Hello
[04:54] <SwissCheese> Yes, i understand that... I never heard of ubufox... I don't use it. I installed the 64bit version manually as soon as it was put up. Maybe ubufox is the problem?
[04:54] <marcham89> I see that disk-manager was remove from 9.04 and I am having trouble installing it manually
[04:54] <genii> HorizonXP_2: Something usually like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade wine            will get you whatever the latest version is
[04:55] <HorizonXP_2> genii: that's not the problem i have. i just installed a program in Wine, but it's not showing up in my Applications->Wine-Programs menu. i need to get Gnome to update its menu list
[04:56] <genii> HorizonXP_2: Easiest way is just logout/back in
[04:56] <HorizonXP_2> genii: booo... i was hoping to avoid that. ok, i'll save everything and do that i guess
[04:56] <xangua> have you tried to remove and then add again the menu ¿? HorizonXP_2¿
[04:56] <HorizonXP_2> xangua: no, let me try
[04:57] <HorizonXP_2> xangua: HAH! as soon as I went to Edit Menus, it updated it! thanks!
[04:57] <RichardWolfVI> !xorg
[05:02] <genii> xangua: I'll have to remember that for another time
[05:03] <albertito> I've fixed it by setting something in .fonts.conf, so I guess it's a matter of local configuration
[05:06] <tweak66> hello. i was wondering.. every time i try to play a video or any type (mpeg, avi, flv) my movie player closes or i get logged out.. i have tried re-installing the codecs but still same thing
[05:08] <RichardWolfVI> same here
[05:08] <tweak66> strange
[05:08] <RichardWolfVI> specially when playing 720p video
[05:09] <tweak66> even with different software.. mozilla, mplayer, etc
[05:09] <RichardWolfVI> interestingly I have a VM running Windows XP and the video plays well
[05:09] <RichardWolfVI> I've tried in MPlayer, Totem and VLC
[05:09] <tweak66> strange lol.. i multiboot and can still play vids in windows
[05:10] <tweak66> i hate windows tho lol
[05:10] <Logi> I hate people who use lol in every line lol
[05:10] <RichardWolfVI> don't be a hater
[05:11] <Logi> good point... I merely severely dislike when people use lol in every line lol
[05:11] <tweak66> i only said it once :/
[05:11] <Logi> twice in the two lines preceding my hating on you
[05:11] <Logi> but not really that much reading back through the logs
[05:13] <tweak66> well. i'm off to find an aswer somplace i'm not hated so bye LOL LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[05:13] <DanaG> argh, damned nvidia 96.43.11 segfaults Xorg unless I disable Composite.
[05:13] <DanaG> I really do hate nvidia.
[05:14] <DanaG> Oh, and even the current nvidia 180 can't handle hotplugging a different display... even if I explicitly tell it to "detect displays".
[05:15] <DanaG> That is, I have a laptop with (a dead) screen removed, so I carry it around and connect it to various external monitors -- so it'll fail to comprehend when I move it from one monitor to another.
[05:38] <AK_Dave> wow, heckalota upgrades tonight.
[05:43] <bjsnider> DanaG, you're kidding
[05:44] <DanaG> About the nvidia monitor-hotswap, or the nvidia crash?
[05:44] <bjsnider> about having a laptop that has a dead monitor
[05:45] <DanaG> Nope, laptop LCD failed.  When you want to use a 17" laptop body with an external monitor... the dead LCD is just in the way.
[05:45] <bjsnider> the oem will sell youa replacement lcd fort hat model
[05:46] <AK_Dave> DanaG: external keyboard & mouse time. Also, time to learn to replace your own LCD. Its only a couple screws and a ribbon cable in most cases.
[05:46] <AK_Dave> and money
[05:47] <DanaG> There are also things like metal screw-holders that are embedded in plastic... and the plastic has broken.
[05:47] <bjsnider> i'm frequently amazed reading in this channel what some people are willing to put up with
[05:48] <AK_Dave> DanaG: Superglue is handy stuff.
[05:48] <bjsnider> the oem can sell you all of that stuff
[05:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and an amazing number of things break when internal LCD is missing.
[05:48] <bjsnider> i worked for dell, i know it's 100% true
[05:49] <DanaG> How about Gateway?  Not my choice of purchase, but it was a case of "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".
[05:49] <AK_Dave> DanaG: Better yet, I've done a lot of repairs to plastic with epoxy putty. Its awesome. Once it cures you can carve it, drill it, tap it. You can use it to make molds of things. You can mold the very screws themselves, and then unthread them once the stuff is cured.
[05:49]  * AK_Dave is on an old Gateway now.
[05:49] <bjsnider> DanaG, they were bought by acer
[05:49] <bjsnider> i still can't understand why you put up with that piece of junk
[05:50] <bjsnider> and don't say money. it's not money.
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, it's my spare laptop.
[05:50] <DanaG> My new one is the HP EliteBook.
[05:50] <bjsnider> why would you bother with the old one?
[05:50] <DanaG> But, thanks to having a new backpack, and not being used to it, I dropped it on a concrete floor (just removed carpet, not yet put in new laminate floor).... so, I had to send the HP in for service (have ADP warranty).
[05:51] <AK_Dave> DanaG: ADP warranty can be very nice at times.
[05:51] <DanaG> I did know something like that was going to happen.  =P
[05:52] <bjsnider> i mean if one key on the keyboard has the paint rubbed off i throw it out and buy a new one. i can't stand anything not being perfect
[05:53] <AK_Dave> bjsnider: This Gateway is so well used, the texture on the touchpad is worn to glassy smooth, as are the faces of half the keys. All the corners have the paint rubbed off the plastic.  The worst is some microabrasions on the LCD face itself from when I used to keep a thin laptop mousepad inside the laptop itself like a freakin' droolin' moron.
[06:09] <spaceBARbarian> does launchy work for anyone in jaunty ?
[06:11] <HorizonXP_2> hey, just installed the beta and did the updates. two problems: 1) system doesn't restart properly. it unloads and the bar goes to 0, screen goes black with a blinking cursor. only restarts when I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del. It says md: unloading disks, then it restarts
[06:12] <HorizonXP_2> 2) on system startup, it takes a while for nm-applet to list available wireless networks. not sure, but i'm guessing the ipw3945 driver takes time to load?
[06:36] <pwnguin> does the ubuntu live cd have any backup restore tools installed on it?
[06:38] <AK_Dave> wow, those were a lot of upgrades!
[06:38] <AK_Dave> 32bit had 163mb to upgrade, and 64bit had 149mb to upgrade.
[06:40] <MTecknology> AK_Dave: there are some heavy days
[06:40] <MTecknology> pwnguin: rsync?
[06:41] <genii> pwnguin: dd ?
[06:41] <MTecknology> my 64bit system wants 120MB today
[06:42] <AK_Dave> MTechnology: I know what my wife means about "heavy flow".
[06:42] <MTecknology> AK_Dave: I'm assuming you had an update for java, those are big...
[06:43] <Finnish> How do I copy hyperlinks, I need to copy hyperlinks to open office. Now it copies the whole address
[06:44] <MTecknology> Finnish: I didn't understand that at all
[06:45] <AK_Dave> MTechnology: java, openoffice, totem, some kde, you name it. And I have been updating 2-3x/day.
[06:45] <Finnish> MTecknology: If there is a link in firefox, when I click it, it takes me to a  address. Now I want to copy that link to openoffice, not the whole address
[06:46] <MTecknology> right click the link and click copy link location
[06:47] <Finnish> If I do that and paste it to Open Office, it shows me the address, not the link?
[06:48] <MTecknology> and?
[06:48] <AK_Dave> a link consists of an address
[06:49] <MTecknology> that's the link that gets you to that page
[06:49] <Finnish> YEah, but how can I view just the link? The address is two pages long
[06:49] <Finnish> Makes a document look a bit messy
[06:52] <AK_Dave> www.tinyurl.com
[06:52] <AK_Dave> I do not understand what you mean by "view just the link". A link is an http address.
[06:52] <Finnish> Ah
[06:53] <pwnguin> MTecknology: i was thinkg something more along the lines of sbackup
[06:53] <MTecknology> pwnguin: you can install it from the live cd
[06:53] <pwnguin> true
[06:53] <AK_Dave> Now, you can code a link in html to be as tiny as a single letter or be embedded in a graphic. But aside from the html wrapper, the link is the http address.
[06:54] <pwnguin> assuming i know offhand the wifi password
[06:54] <MTecknology> OH! - anchor
[06:54] <Finnish> AK_Dave: What I mean is that in open office it looks quite bad if it shows the http address. Right now I'm not able to copy the link name to open office, it copies http?
[06:54] <MTecknology> insert > hyperlink
[06:54] <MTecknology> something like that
[06:56] <pwnguin> Finnish: you can make the link text much shorter than the actual link if need be
[06:56] <AK_Dave> Finnish: Thats the link!
[06:57] <pwnguin> AK_Dave: theres two parts to a link
[06:57] <pwnguin> the url attribute, and the linked text
[06:57] <pwnguin> <a href="url">link attribute</a>
[06:58] <Finnish> Yeah I need that "short" part to be viewn
[06:59] <pwnguin> this probably wont translate well
[06:59] <BigMoopies> Will Jaunty (Xubuntu) have XFC4.4 (I think?)
[06:59] <pwnguin> in oo writer, go to insert->hyperlink
[06:59] <BigMoopies> XFCE*
[06:59] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: xfce 4.6
[07:00] <pwnguin> a menu opens up. "target" is the full url, and "text" is the short version
[07:00] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, OK.  And to upgrade from hardy, I'd need to go through Intrepid ?
[07:00] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: Yes.
[07:01] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: Or reinstall. Which would be my recommendation.
[07:01] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, Intrepid screws my computer up (the NIC) , I suppose it would be recommended just to do it all over ?
[07:01] <BigMoopies> Aye
[07:01] <Finnish> pwnguin: Now it's working, but should there be a way to just copy them both?
[07:01] <BigMoopies> I'm guessing I should try Jaunty on LIVE CD to see if it works before I install it, just like Intrepid ?
[07:01] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: No, the -11 kernel in Intrepid didn't support your NIC.
[07:02] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, I didn't know what it was.  But the NIC would make the router light twinkle and flash
[07:02] <BigMoopies> It wouldn't get an IP, and wouldn't connect
[07:02] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: But it is not true that "Intrepid screws your computer up". The -13 kernel is fine. The -11 kernel exposed a regression with some NICs.
[07:02] <BigMoopies> OK, the "OS is broke" then
[07:02] <BigMoopies> :-|
[07:03] <pwnguin> Finnish: depends on your browser
[07:03] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: No. The OS was not broke. The -11 kernel exposed a regression. It was actually freakishly good luck that those NICs ever worked right in the past. But the -13 kernel in Intrepid fixed this
[07:03] <pwnguin> if i select the text in firefox and hit control-c, and paste into OO writer
[07:03] <pwnguin> it copies it as you desire
[07:03] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, So why didn't my NIC work with Intrepid properly then
[07:04] <Finnish> Well I have firefox
[07:04] <pwnguin> (this is on my intrepid box, ymmv with jaunty)
[07:04] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: It would have worked right with the INSTALL version of Intrepid (-9 kernel), but died as soon as you upgraded to the -11 kernel.
[07:04] <Finnish> Try to copy the first link, Arktika Consulting, just the link http://www.inoa.fi/businesscompanysearch/changePage.fon?sort=&outcomeMinvalue=200+000&turnover=%23200000&turnover=200000%231000000&outcomeOperator=&establishedMinvalue=2001&establishedOperator=&rmode=Up&searchType=20&hitsPerPage=50&businessSearchtype=1&outcomeMaxvalue=500+000&establishedMaxvalue=2001&page=3
[07:05] <Finnish> Aargh, that isn't even working
[07:05] <Finnish> I need a brake, nerves are out
[07:05] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, Alright.  Either way, I guess I should try Jaunty on a LIVE CD before I mess with upgrading , since Hardy is a LTS ?
[07:06] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: I do not recommend people to dist-upgrade to Jaunty unless they really really know what the heck they are doing and are fully prepared for something to break, fatally, along the way. Otherwise, do a fresh install of Jaunty.
[07:07] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, I'm not talking about now.  I'm just wanting the better GUI than the one in hardy anyway.  I was talking about when it releases
[07:08] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: My recommendation is not time based. It will not change when Jaunty is released. I will still make the same recommendation to you. Unless you're prepared for something to break, fatally, do a fresh install.
[07:08] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: What do you mean by "better GUI"?
[07:09] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, The new mixer , etc with the new XFCE
[07:09] <BigMoopies> Closing hung programs, like GNOME, so on
[07:09] <usser> xkill
[07:09] <AK_Dave> killall
[07:09] <usser> is your friend
[07:10] <BigMoopies> Yes.
[07:10] <BigMoopies> But we all want to be lazy?
[07:10] <AK_Dave> no
[07:10]  * BigMoopies shrugs
[07:10]  * AK_Dave wants to be EFFICIENT
[07:12] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: Anyways, you know you had problems with Intrepid. So dodge that bullet, skip it, and just reinstall. Is that a problem? Its honestly a lot easier in the long run.
[07:13] <BigMoopies> No. Not really, I can back everything up.
[07:14] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: I store zilch on my install partitions that isn't the install itself, and my /home is nothing but symlinks and .config files.
[07:15] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, I need to back up my NTFS (windows) and resize it too.  Currently it's over 300 GBs, and Ubuntu only has 120 GBs
[07:16] <BigMoopies> (as I didn't know if I wanted to keep the OS)
[07:18] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: I'd never give 300gb to a Windows install. 10gb, 20gb max, just enough for Windows itself. Everything else belongs somewhere else. You need a NAS. Or at least an external hard drive. Costco, $109.99 after coupon Seagate 1.5TB external.
[07:21] <BigMoopies> NAS?
[07:22] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, I only keep windows around for when I call tech support and they tell me they can't support linux
[07:24] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: Call tech support? You call yourself a linux user?
[07:24] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, No, a Sat internet user
[07:24] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, that goes out for who knows what at all kinds of times
[07:24] <susbwoy> BigMoopies, try googling FreeNAS
[07:24] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: You don't need more than 5gb for XP. 300gb? Thats just porn.
[07:25] <BigMoopies> Brazzers ;o
[07:25] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: www.openfile.com
[07:25] <susbwoy> AK_Dave ??
[07:26] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, "Network Attached Storage" ?
[07:26] <AK_Dave> Sorry, www.openfiler.com
[07:27] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: Thats what NAS usually stands for around here.
[07:28] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, eh what is it? something like a dedicated server with your private data ?
[07:28] <AK_Dave> ayup
[07:29] <BigMoopies> I'd be "FAPed" in no time.
[07:29] <AK_Dave> Well, with 300gb of porn I think a lot of fapping already happens/
[07:30] <BigMoopies> 1-6 AM I can download/upload unlimited with Hughesnet
[07:30] <BigMoopies> Wildblue has no unilmited hours and FAP lasts monthly
[07:30] <BigMoopies> (or last I checked )
[07:30] <BigMoopies> I should just move in to town with cable/dsl available
[07:31] <BigMoopies> or perhaps get me a good cantenna ?
[07:33] <AK_Dave> BigMoopies: openfiler is not by any means the only, and may not even be the best way, but its an easy way to set up a spare computer as a networked file server.
[07:35] <BigMoopies> AK_Dave, I aint got any money
[07:36] <AK_Dave> Thats always the problem
[07:37] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  Is there a speedstep-centrino.ko for 2.6.28-11 (-generic)?  If not, why not?  If so, how do I get it?
[07:37] <BigMoopies> OPEC
[07:38] <jonaskoelker> when I echo 2133000 >! scaling_max_freq; cat scaling_max_freq (in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/), I get back 800000.  My cpu is "locked" at running at 800mhz, instead of 2133mhz.  How do I make it run at 2133mhz?
[07:46] <jonaskoelker> and I get things like >>> Apr 15 08:36:26 bianca cpufreqd: cpufreqd_loop            : Cannot set policy, Rule unchanged ("none"). <<< in daemon.log
[07:48] <arooni-mobile> what kernel version will jaunty be
[07:49] <arooni-mobile> and will it nativley support hard drive active protection
[07:49] <arooni-mobile> a la thinkpad
[07:51] <fosco_> arooni-mobile: 2.6.29
[07:51] <arooni-mobile> and to the second question?
[07:51] <fosco_> no idea
[08:09] <ninadsp> can some one here tell me what should be the default value of 'ENABLE_AUTO_HIBERNATION' in /etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/auto-hibernate.conf ?
[08:10] <abstortedminds> ENABLE_AUTO_HIBERNATION=0
[08:10] <Mark_Milliman> 0 here
[08:10] <ninadsp> abstoredminds: does that mean that it is disabled?
[08:10] <abstortedminds> correct
[08:11] <abstortedminds> 0 = off
[08:11] <abstortedminds> or false
[08:11] <ninadsp> and if so, will an app like say kpowersave still be able to hibernate the laptop when on low battery?
[08:11] <ninadsp> absortedminds: just wanted to confirm.. always get confused in boolean values... :)
[08:11] <abstortedminds> yes it should, I do not know the purpose of it however, I am on a laptop and it hibernates
[08:12] <abstortedminds> 0=off=false   1=on=true     think of a lightbulb
[08:12] <ninadsp> ok.. i need to check up othre things. then.. :)
[08:12] <abstortedminds> a bit is either on or off
[08:12] <abstortedminds> 0 or 1
[08:12] <ninadsp> ya... :)
[08:12] <jonaskoelker> :( why the .... is my cpu stuck at 800mhz? :(
[08:12] <abstortedminds> heh
[08:13] <Mark_Milliman> Has anyone tried to install the Conexant modem drivers yet?
[08:13] <abstortedminds> modem, haven't used those for ages
[08:13] <histo> jonaskoelker: is it a laptop?
[08:13] <jonaskoelker> histo: yep
[08:13] <histo> jonaskoelker: its using cpu frequency scaling to save power
[08:13] <Mark_Milliman> I only use it for CallerID
[08:13] <jonaskoelker> histo: it's on AC, fully charged
[08:14] <jonaskoelker> histo: and it's using 100% CPU
[08:14] <histo> jonaskoelker: I believe you can enable an applet in gnome to control the settings for scaling
[08:14] <ninadsp> jonaskoelker: ubuntu mostly runs in 'ondemand' state on laptops.. it scales up the frequency when needed...
[08:14] <jonaskoelker> histo: applet - yes, it does nothing
[08:15] <jonaskoelker> ninadsp: okay, so how do I make it scale up the frequency when it's using 100% cpu (on AC and fully charged)?
[08:15] <histo> jonaskoelker: hrm..  Ithought I saw someone post about an issue with the monitor on the forums. They were having similiar issues.  Scaling can also be disabled.
[08:15] <jonaskoelker> histo: cool, how do I disable scaling?
[08:16] <histo> jonaskoelker: do you have any settings under Sysytem > preferences > power management
[08:17] <jonaskoelker> histo: the menu item exists and pops up a dialog
[08:18] <histo> jonaskoelker: looking for some stuff hold up
[08:20] <histo> http://hubpages.com/hub/Ubuntu--CPU-Scaling--Battery-life-and-You
[08:20] <Mark_Milliman> What is the screensaver package that works now?
[08:23] <jonaskoelker> histo: neat; my /apps/gnome-power-manager/policy_{ac, battery} don't exist.  Is that noteworthy?  When I select "performance" in the applet, cpu speed stays at 800...
[08:27] <aixenv> what sounds are you guys finding works better oss or alsa?
[08:27] <aixenv> im getting sound but it's pretty quiet.. still trying to figure out which configuration to use
[08:35] <jonaskoelker> oo, now my cpu speed is up to 2133mhz
[08:49] <philsf> what's the difference between conservative and ondemand?
[08:51] <jonaskoelker> ondemand oscillates between the slowest and fastest; conservative scales more gradually
[08:52] <philsf> so, ondemand tends to provide better performance, and conservative tends to provide more power saving:
[08:52] <philsf> ?
[08:52] <jonaskoelker> sounds right
[08:53] <jonaskoelker> but I don't know; make a measurement :)
[09:01] <DanaG> actually, it's better to get work done quickly and then return to idle, rather than speeding up gradually.
[09:01] <DanaG> Or so Intel says.
[09:06] <krzd> hi, i have installed an ubuntu 9.04 with ext4, now i wanted to install debian 5, too. so i resized the ubuntu partition without thinking, that debian 5 does not support ext4. now i cant boot up ubuntu or  install debian, fsck give following error
[09:07] <krzd> The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 39078112 blocks. The physical size of the device is 31738415 blocks. Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt! Abort? yes
[09:07] <crdlb> :/
[09:08] <krzd> what can i do, the get the data on it
[09:09] <crdlb> you'd think there'd be a magic fs version bit on the fs that tools would check for before acting on it
[09:09] <crdlb> restore from backup?
[09:10] <krzd> i have no backup, because i dont have a media with 150gb / my hdds with 1tb and 500gb are broken
[09:11] <krzd> but there must be a way to restore or?
[09:11] <krzd> at least some of them
[09:11] <crdlb> that's like skydiving without a parachute because you couldn't afford one
[09:12] <crdlb> maybe, but I have no idea how
[09:13] <krzd> at the moment im using parted magic live cd, isnt there any tool for that case?
[09:13] <crdlb> if it's really that easy to screw up an ext4 partition by using an ext3 tool, I'm sure a bunc of people hve done it
[09:14] <genii> Usually if you install something onto a livecd you can use it. Might be a way to install with dpkg on the debian livecd the ext4 support which will allow continuing
[09:14] <krzd> on parted magic there actually is ext4 support
[09:14] <genii> Hm
[09:14] <krzd> at least at the latest
[09:15] <DanaG> krzd: check the drive with TestDisk.
[09:16] <krzd> wich partition table type?
[09:16] <krzd> Intel?
[09:20] <DanaG> Yeah, probably.
[09:24] <superdave> hi does anyone know if the c++ asio libraries are in the boost libraries in jaunty.
[09:26] <krzd> oh, i should checked it before, but i can mount the partition without problems on parted magic
[09:26] <krzd> but it would be good to get the partition running to start from it
[09:35] <Mark_Milliman> I really like the performance of apps in Jaunty
[09:40] <Naynay> Here's a thorny issue.....
[09:41] <Naynay> Restricted drivers shouldn't try installing anything when a reboot is pending
[09:41] <Naynay> I updated my 9.04 system today - which went and installed a new kernel
[09:42] <Naynay> then I went and installed the proprietary AMD/ATI driver for my card
[09:42] <ikonia> Naynay: how did you install them
[09:42] <Naynay> which it let me go ahead and do when a reset was pending
[09:42] <Naynay> upon reboot, no more X
[09:42] <ikonia> Naynay: how did you install them
[09:42] <Naynay> I just told you
[09:42] <crdlb> I don't think that's the problem
[09:42] <ikonia> no - you said "you went"
[09:42] <Naynay> I'm pretty sure it is
[09:42] <ikonia> how did you install the drivers
[09:43] <crdlb> the driver doesn't just get installed for the current kernel
[09:43] <crdlb> your problem seems to be simply that fglrx is broken :)
[09:43] <ikonia> crdlb: exactly, but if it's a manual install it may get linked against modules in the old /lib/modules tree, hence why I asked
[09:43] <Naynay> no, it was updated via gnome
[09:44] <crdlb> well, he said 'restricted drivers'
[09:44] <ikonia> ah, I missed that
[09:44] <Naynay> adminitration -> update manager  (updated everything)
[09:45] <Naynay> then Adminitration -> Hardware drivers (installed the AMD/ATI driver
[09:45] <Polterge|st> the final release is due by the 23rd and I hear alot of good things about Jaunty
[09:45] <Polterge|st> can anyone tell me overall if it will be worththe upgrade ?
[09:45] <Polterge|st> or should I wait about 3 or 4 months beyond that
[09:45] <Polterge|st> and then upgrade rather
[09:45] <ikonia> Polterge|st: try it when it's relesed if you want, as you where told in #ubuntu
[09:45] <ikonia> Polterge|st: only you will know if it's worth it for you
[09:45] <Polterge|st> :)
[09:46] <Polterge|st> I'm just wondering
[09:46] <Polterge|st> I'm really thinking about the update
[09:46] <Naynay> I shouldn't have been able to install the restricted driver when a reboot was pending
[09:46] <Polterge|st> I just don't want to lose certain apps
[09:46] <ikonia> only you will know if it's worth it to you
[09:46] <ikonia> Naynay: as crdlb said, that shouldn't matter
[09:46] <Polterge|st> true ikonia
[09:46] <Naynay> well it caused my system to break X, so whatever the problem is, good luck with it
[09:47] <ikonia> Naynay: I think crdlb made a very real command about fglrx a problem
[09:48] <Polterge|st> I have an nvidia card so I'm guessing that it shouldn't be too big of  a problem
[09:48] <Polterge|st> I know that if nothing else envy works well for fixing those nvidias
[09:48] <ikonia> Polterge|st: what shouldn't be ?
[09:48] <Polterge|st> X crashing
[09:48] <ikonia> Polterge|st: errr nvidia is a closed source module, so it's just as much of an unknown
[09:49] <crdlb> Naynay: how exactly did X break? did it put you in 'low graphics mode'?
[09:50] <Polterge|st> ikonia, well that is very true but I believe that in the newer kernels many nvidia cards are supported
[09:50] <Polterge|st> and of course my card is supported in this kernel
[09:50] <ikonia> Polterge|st: you believe wrong, as it's down to the xorg nvidia module
[09:51] <Polterge|st> I thought that was compiled into the kernel in some versions ?
[09:51] <ikonia> Polterge|st:no
[09:51] <Polterge|st> hmm
[09:51] <crdlb> as long as you've got an 6 series or newer, you're still in the top tier of nvidia support
[09:51] <ikonia> Polterge|st: xorg doesn't get modules (outside of frame buffer) from the kernel
[09:51] <crdlb> there are multiple bits to the driver
[09:51] <Polterge|st> I forget what this card is
[09:52] <crdlb> so there are two major places where compatibility breaks, the kernel module and the X driver
[09:52] <Polterge|st> it is one of those e-geforce cards
[09:52] <Polterge|st> I'd have to look it up and I could tell you
[09:53] <Polterge|st> crdlb, yeah that is something I've noticed before
[09:53] <Polterge|st> I had to fix X once when it broke because of the vid driver
[09:53] <Polterge|st> although I used envy
[09:53] <Polterge|st> and it fixed it right up
[09:53] <Polterge|st> never had a problem since
[09:53] <Polterge|st> and envy is no longer installed
[09:54] <crdlb> if you use the official packages, X and kernel updates will never break it
[09:54] <ikonia> which returns to Naynay's issue
[09:55] <Polterge|st> at the time I had a proprietary driver but I think it switched to the official driver once I used envy
[09:55] <Naynay> It broke from a clean install of the Beta
[09:55] <Polterge|st> it appeared to download the src
[09:56] <Polterge|st> it just did that and compiled the driver etc
[09:56] <Polterge|st> I probably just lucked out and by then they happened to already have released the official driver for my card
[09:56] <Polterge|st> in that case it might be more wise to just update a few months after
[09:56] <Polterge|st> or even 6 months after
[09:57] <Naynay> I'm pretty sure that if I rebooted after the package update, and then applied the AMD/ATI driver it would have worked
[09:57] <Polterge|st> at least this way I keep what I have now which works great, and I wouldn't risk anything
[09:57] <Naynay> (or at least should have, assumignt he driver isn't broken)
[09:57] <crdlb> Naynay: did you see my question above?
[09:58] <ikonia> Naynay: how can you be "pretty sure of that"
[10:00] <Polterge|st> I've noticed this in ubuntu 8.10 even
[10:00] <Polterge|st> sometimes it will say to reboot yet you can still download and install certain updates
[10:00] <Polterge|st> it doesn't seem to affect it so much but ...
[10:01] <Polterge|st> I could see how it could
[10:02] <crdlb> the only harm I know of it in not immediately rebooting with a pending kernel update is that loading new modules may fail
[10:04] <Naynay> Sorry I missed your question. Xchat crashed (third time today)
[10:04] <Polterge|st> I think this card is a GeForce FX 5500
[10:05] <Polterge|st> I'm wondering if there is official support yet
[10:05] <crdlb> Polterge|st: there is
[10:05] <Polterge|st> nice
[10:05] <Polterge|st> :)
[10:05] <crdlb> that puts you at the second tier (nvidia-glx-173)
[10:05] <Polterge|st> this means X would work
[10:05] <crdlb> it's just the geforce 4 users that are in pretty bad shape
[10:05] <Polterge|st> nice
[10:05] <crdlb> (and below)
[10:06] <Polterge|st> well not nice for them
[10:06] <Polterge|st> heh
[10:06] <Polterge|st> but nice for me at least
[10:06] <crdlb> Naynay: how does X fail, exactly?
[10:34] <Naynay> reboots, and dumps you at CLI command prompt
[10:35] <Naynay> a look into the logs shows that the fglrx driver killed it
[10:35] <Naynay> can't remember the exact cause of death at themoment
[10:35] <Naynay> will try again later on in a few hours
[10:55] <histo> ahh well upgrding to jaunty can't remember the last issue I had with it.
[10:55] <histo> but I'm a glutton for punishment I guess
[10:58] <histo> does the nvidia driver in jaunty support cuda?
[11:03] <aaditya> Compiz has Application Switcher disabled by default
[11:03] <aaditya> and that sucks
[11:03] <crdlb> static application switcher is the default
[11:05] <aaditya> but that wasn't enabled for me
[11:05] <dagonet-smi> should i use EXT3 or EXT4 for jaunty?
[11:05] <crdlb> ext3
[11:05] <dagonet-smi> crdlb:why not EXT4?
[11:05] <crdlb> ext3 is default for a reason :)
[11:06] <jovaro> I just installed Jaunty, but now the GDM login screen doesn't appear. All I get is a black screen with the waiting cursor
[11:06] <jovaro> I tried the recovery mode to fix X, but no effect
[11:06] <dagonet-smi> jovaro: what's brand of your video card?
[11:06] <jovaro> nvidia
[11:06] <jovaro> 7600 gs
[11:07] <dagonet-smi> jovaro: i think it should have a workaround on xorg.conf
[11:07] <crdlb> the fact that you get an X cursor rules out most gpu-related problems
[11:08] <dagonet-smi> jovaro:brand..such as asus, or gigabyte etc.
[11:08] <Polterge|st> ext3 is more stable
[11:08] <jovaro> it isn't the x-cursor, but the round gnome thingie. It isn't moving though
[11:08] <flox> a "waiting cursor" is not the same as an "X cursor", no?
[11:08] <Polterge|st> ext4 supposedly is complete but ext4 has some breakage
[11:08] <Polterge|st> some data los
[11:08] <Polterge|st> s
[11:08] <jovaro> I think gigabyte, let me check
[11:08] <dagonet-smi> yeah i think i will use EXT3 instead of trying EXT4
[11:09] <Polterge|st> some people have mentioned experiencing data loss with ext4 which is why if you value your data you will go with ext3
[11:09] <Polterge|st> later on though after they refine ext4 possibly it might be the way to go
[11:09] <Polterge|st> I dunno what the benefits of it are really
[11:09] <Veovis> Personally, I have all of my data on my external drive, and thus am fine with using ext4
[11:09] <Veovis> I haven't had any problems in the last week.
[11:09] <Polterge|st> Veovis, that is the best way to go to be honest
[11:09] <crdlb> jovaro: yeah, I meant "an X cursor"
[11:09] <Polterge|st> that is how I wish I would have done my setup
[11:10] <aaditya> i'm using ext4 and i love it for some reason...
[11:10] <Polterge|st> I should have put in a small 2gb HD or 4 gb HD
[11:10] <crdlb> which indicates that X is working, but gdm is broken
[11:10] <aaditya> what's the difference though?
[11:10] <Polterge|st> and then use an external 1 TB hard drive
[11:10] <Veovis> Of course, a week isn't a good enough test period, one corruption in a year would anger anyone....
[11:10] <Polterge|st> yeah
[11:10] <jovaro> dagonet-smi, where do I check the brand? I tried Xorg.0.log but can't find it there
[11:10] <Polterge|st> so far I haven't had serious problems with 8.10
[11:10] <Polterge|st> it has been very good to me
[11:11] <Polterge|st> the worst problems I can mention are maybe the stuff I was complaining about earlier like -vv in pidgin and webcam
[11:11] <Polterge|st> and that is supposedly on the way
[11:12] <Polterge|st> and empathy already has implemented these things and is more modular therefore... I commend the Ubuntu guys if they switch to empathy
[11:12] <dagonet-smi> jovaro:see the card phsicly...is there any brand on it
[11:12] <Polterge|st> I think empathy is further along than pidgin in that  area of things and it has much of the same code
[11:12] <Polterge|st> it could literally take over pidgin's stuff
[11:12] <Polterge|st> it could pass it up
[11:13] <dagonet-smi> i try empathy last week on intrepid...i think i'll stick to pidgin
[11:13] <Polterge|st> empathy isn't bad really but still has a few bugs
[11:13] <Polterge|st> still though pidgin doesn't have -vv
[11:13] <Polterge|st> and empathy does
[11:13] <Polterge|st> and webcam
[11:13] <Polterge|st> the problem with empathy right now is that it is stuck with gtalk/jingle  only working
[11:13] <Polterge|st> and it is buggy
[11:14] <Polterge|st> when they iron out all of that though and study msn, yahoo, and aim's protocols a bit more however all will be good
[11:14] <jovaro> dagonet-smi, it is asus
[11:14] <dade`> vmmouse does not sync with host-os when running ubuntu 9.04 inside wmware , is this a known bug ?
[11:14] <Polterge|st> I like empathy's messenger windows setup a bit more as well
[11:14] <Polterge|st> it looks cleaner
[11:15] <Polterge|st> and it is more modular which is the right idea
[11:15] <Polterge|st> modular plugins allow you to change stuff later on and allow for better compatibility most likely
[11:15] <Polterge|st> if we can do this without having to change the main app I'm all for it
[11:15] <Polterge|st> it is more organized as well
[11:16] <Polterge|st> once it becomes more stable I think it will have a great potential for stealing pidgin's fire
[11:16] <Polterge|st> hehe
[11:18] <Polterge|st> I have several friends who have audio / video support in pidgin as their biggest complaint. That and voip stuff like ventrilo in linux not being available yet and it is perhaps the only reason they haven't migrated yet and are choosing to go with apple instead
[11:18] <Polterge|st> I have nothing against apple really but they are completely proprietary I think
[11:18] <Polterge|st> Microsoft is almost as bad
[11:19] <Polterge|st> except MS stuff crashes
[11:19] <Polterge|st> and MS invades privacy like no tomorrow
[11:19] <Polterge|st> other than being ahead of linux in audio / video and gaming I can't think of many areas where MS beats linux
[11:20] <Polterge|st> this is why linux needs to close that gap and I think the end result will be more people switching to linux
[11:21] <Veovis> Yes, but having used M$'s XNA frameworks and messing around with DirectX, there's a reason game devs don't often build for linux
[11:21] <Polterge|st> if we get put in the situation of being the other "optimized" software OS like Apple's stuff kind of it yields even more potential because I've heard that Apple has good software but not so great hardware and the software is just optimized and written well. Linux has the exact same potential except with  a pc you can use any hardware you want so you could make something way better than anything apple has out
[11:21] <Polterge|st> Veovis, well this is true too
[11:22] <Polterge|st> that isn't so much of a problem though for Quake Live users
[11:22] <Polterge|st> Quake Live is in development for linux right now
[11:22] <Polterge|st> and of course it is compatible with mozilla firefox in windows so I theorize they will make a firefox plugin for linux at some point also
[11:23] <Polterge|st> once that happens many Quake Live users will be able to play their favorite game in linux
[11:23] <Veovis> Polterge|st: I'm a multiplatform guy, and so I bought a Macbook Pro as my primary computer, and I must say, the hardware is great on my machine
[11:23] <Polterge|st> same with the new warcraft stuff
[11:23] <Veovis> it even runs crysis reasonably well
[11:23] <asraniel> anybody using kubuntu here? with kontact?
[11:23] <Polterge|st> Veovis, well it isn't that the hardware is bad it is just that pc hardware can be potentially better
[11:23] <Veovis> asranial: I am, but I'm afraid I don't use kontact...
[11:24] <ria> hier ist meine problem http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/918/fehler.jpg
[11:24] <Polterge|st> Apple kind of limits what you can use but a pc guy can always go to a computer or electronics boutique and get whichever part they want
[11:24] <Veovis> Polterge
[11:24] <Veovis> sorry, mistype
[11:24] <Polterge|st> hehe it is ok
[11:25] <Veovis> I agree with that statement, I'm just saying that for a closed off system like a laptop, apple makes great computers
[11:25] <Polterge|st> oh definitely
[11:25] <Polterge|st> they make wonderful laptops
[11:25] <Polterge|st> I actually want one
[11:25] <Polterge|st> lol
[11:25] <Veovis> I would never buy a mac desktop though, I prefer to build
[11:25] <Polterge|st> being a musician and all
[11:25] <Polterge|st> yeah
[11:25] <Polterge|st> desktops are better off being built
[11:25] <Veovis> anyday
[11:25] <deany> oh.. jaunty just locked in my vm lol
[11:26] <Polterge|st> the one thing I can say though about studio 64 is that when it is finished the ibm compatible laptops might not be so bad since it uses jacks audio
[11:26] <Polterge|st> and jacks audio is used on apple laptops as well if I'm not mistaken
[11:26] <Veovis> My friend thought that he should buy an alienware desktop, and I almost died.
[11:26] <Polterge|st> lol
[11:27] <Polterge|st> yeah alienware is alright but you can always build a better desktop
[11:27] <Veovis> then I "built" the same computer on newegg as alienware was selling, and got as close as I could on a dell, the only difference being the graphics card on the dell was different, but comperable
[11:27] <Polterge|st> yeah
[11:27] <Polterge|st> hehe
[11:28] <Polterge|st> it is very doable
[11:28] <Veovis> alienware was $4800, dell was $3200
[11:28] <Veovis> and mine was $2200
[11:28] <Polterge|st> to be honest you can get a tower with nice features for like 300 bucks at Fryes electronics
[11:28] <Polterge|st> and just put what you want to put in it
[11:28] <Veovis> god I miss fry's
[11:28] <Polterge|st> and it will come with a hard drive
[11:28] <Polterge|st> heh
[11:28] <Veovis> there aren't any here in CO
[11:28] <Polterge|st> I have one like 5 miles from my house
[11:28] <Polterge|st> I need another job
[11:28] <Polterge|st> lol
[11:29] <Veovis> lol, don't get a job at a computer store
[11:29] <Polterge|st> I want to build a new comp and make a backup image of my linux system
[11:29] <Polterge|st> then I could just mount it on another system
[11:29] <Veovis> otherwise you won't be paid in cash, but in parts
[11:29] <Polterge|st> yeah I have heard that from another friend as well
[11:29] <Polterge|st> he worked at Fryes
[11:29] <Polterge|st> he hates it
[11:29] <Polterge|st> he said his manager was horrible
[11:30] <Polterge|st> she was a man hater type
[11:30] <Polterge|st> the girls would get off work early and the guys all had to work late
[11:30] <Polterge|st> and he kept saying that she was constantly following him around looking for stuff to pick on him for
[11:30] <Veovis> yeah, but even if you image, you still have to get the hardware working properly again, if it doesn't straight off
[11:30] <Polterge|st> that is very true
[11:31] <Polterge|st> if it is stuff that is already supported it wouldn't be so bad
[11:31] <Veovis> Just remember, you can always pick your boss
[11:31] <Polterge|st> that is right
[11:31] <Polterge|st> I always tell my parents that
[11:31] <Veovis> of course, I'm just being pessimistic
[11:31] <Polterge|st> lol
[11:31] <Polterge|st> well nothing wrong with being one's own boss
[11:31] <cumulus007> Does U buntu have Firefox 3.1 packages?
[11:31] <cumulus007> or SVn builds?
[11:31] <Polterge|st> especially the way the economy is
[11:32] <Unksi> cumulus007: there is a ppa by mozilla
[11:32] <cumulus007> cool
[11:32] <cumulus007> will check that out
[11:32] <Veovis> except that to do so, you need startup capital, which is hard to come by with the current world economy
[11:32] <Polterge|st> well for a musician rather
[11:32] <cumulus007> Appearenalty 3.1 resolves the bug on KDE4 when dragging that while the desktop effects are enabled
[11:32] <Polterge|st> just give lessons
[11:33] <Polterge|st> you have to build a large following though
[11:33] <Polterge|st> lots of clients / students
[11:33] <Veovis> easier said than done
[11:33] <Polterge|st> which means proper advertising and marketing skills
[11:33] <Polterge|st> I know
[11:33] <Polterge|st> I'm doing that right now
[11:33] <Polterge|st> heh
[11:33] <Veovis> good luck to you
[11:33] <Veovis> you _will_ need it
[11:33] <Polterge|st> yeah it is tricky
[11:33] <Veovis> : P
[11:33] <Polterge|st> craigslist is a godsend though
[11:34] <Veovis> Yeah
[11:34] <Polterge|st> people see lessons for pretty cheap and they often will go for it
[11:34] <Polterge|st> the trick is to underbid places like Guitar Center
[11:34] <Veovis> yeah
[11:34] <Polterge|st> if you cost less and give better lessons and teach people faster they will likely talk about it
[11:34] <Polterge|st> word of mouth is a good thing to have working for you at times
[11:35] <Veovis> too bad you obviously don't live near me, otherwise I'd go for lessons, you have to teach one of the instruments that I own but can't play
[11:35] <Veovis> that's how Myst sold
[11:35] <Polterge|st> heheh
[11:35] <Veovis> and it was top seller until the Sims
[11:35] <Polterge|st> hehe
[11:36] <Polterge|st> yeah if people have something and want to be able to use it they will pay money alot of times
[11:36] <Polterge|st> the one thing about guitar is that it is time consuming but it is worth it in the end
[11:36] <Polterge|st> maybe one of the hardest instruments to play
[11:36] <Polterge|st> other than a french horn
[11:37] <Veovis> I have a guitar, drum set, keyboards, and a violin, how many of those can you teach?
[11:37] <Veovis> violin is harder than guitar
[11:37] <Veovis> by far
[11:37] <Polterge|st> well I used to play violin
[11:37] <bazhang> !ot
[11:37] <Polterge|st> it is 4 strings
[11:37] <Polterge|st> like a bass tuning but backward
[11:37] <Veovis> lol, good point bazhang
[11:37] <Veovis> sorry
[11:37] <bazhang> please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic thanks :)
[11:38] <Polterge|st> hehe
[11:38] <Veovis> I have to reboot anyway, and then get to school
[11:38] <Veovis> see ya
[11:38] <Polterge|st> take care Veovis
[11:40] <w2k> Hi, i installed 9.04 today (again), but it's missing alot of the packages in synaptic. None of the irc clients, not amule and emesene. its almost only the preinstalled packages in synaptic
[11:43] <w2k> As you see here, http://bildr.no/view/389711, i have all the repo's..
[11:46] <w2k> nobody here?
[11:49] <trylik_> w2k
[11:49] <trylik_> did you typed sudo apt-get update?
[11:52] <w2k> trylik_: It seems as i can install everything from terminal.. The packages won't show in synaptic. Kind of mysterious ;)
[11:53] <trylik_> w2k did you press "reload" button in synaptic?
[11:54] <w2k> trylik_: I did that multiple times
[12:06] <mvo> w2k: do you have anything in the quick filter?
[12:08] <w2k> mvo: it's all selected in the search filter
[12:09] <mvo> w2k: what does it display at the bottom of the screen when you start it? 26084 packages listed - what number do you have there?
[12:09] <mvo> w2k: or is it the quick search that is not returning useful results?
[12:11] <JMFTheVCI> w2k: quick search did not show up everything when I was looking for Firefox 3.5
[12:12] <w2k> mvo: it is 26840 packages listed
[12:12] <Aperculum> hi, yesterday I downloaded the ubuntu 9.04 beta and I'm getting grup error 15 on boot
[12:12] <Aperculum> grub
[12:13] <w2k> it's the quick search that's not listing the packages.
[12:13] <w2k> Thanks
[12:14] <Smegzor> Is there a control panel or config for the new notification thing in 9.04?  It pops up like crazy for Pidgin stuff that never involved pop-ups with the old system.
[12:14] <Smegzor> I'd like to be able to exclude applications from using it.
[12:15] <Aperculum> Smegzor: see if you can configure pidgin itself
[12:16] <Smegzor> Aperculum: I tried that.  There is no setting I could find to ignore when people sign in/out of MSN
[12:16] <Smegzor> These pop-ups are being generated by Ubuntu while they don't exist in Pidgin.
[12:17] <Aperculum> weird
[12:17] <mvo> w2k: when did you install 9.04? a problem with the quick search was fixed recently, but there might be anohter problem still hiding there
[12:17] <Aperculum> Smegzor: maybe you can change them from gconf
[12:17] <Aperculum> you know what gconf is?
[12:17] <Smegzor> I couldn't care less when people log in/out.  I don't need that hitting the notification thing
[12:18] <Smegzor> yes I do.  I'll see what I can find.  I didn't see anything there for this last night though.
[12:18] <w2k> mvo: i installed 12 hours ago. But i installed with the same cd a couple a days ago. aAnd then i could use quick search
[12:19] <mvo> w2k: thanks, alternate or desktop install?
[12:19] <w2k> mvo: desktop
[12:19] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: I installed yesterday morning (upgrade from 8.10) Quick serch is not picking up firefox-3.5 when I enter firefox in the quick search box. I have to scan down the "All" list to find it.
[12:20] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: thanks, I have a look (I think I have a idea about this problem)
[12:21] <JMFTheVCI> mva: only a few fixes cam in overnight. Clearly a lock-down for RC release.
[12:22] <Smegzor> Aperculum: I think I found it in gconf but there were no useful settings and no way to do anything app specific.
[12:23] <extfour> Hey, can anyone help me with a problem with installing the Nvidia driver on Jaunty x64?
[12:23] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: A full "search" finds Firefox-3.5. But if I stick firefox in the search box as well it does not!
[12:24] <Aperculum> Smegzor: unfortunately
[12:25] <Polterge|st> from the sounds of things I think I will wait a few months at least after Jaunty is finalized
[12:25] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: thanks, I think the problem is that the quick search index is not updated frequently enough
[12:26] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: is there a way to force an quick-search refresh and then try again?
[12:27] <Polterge|st> it sounds good but I don't want to replace what I have and end up with something broken
[12:27] <Polterge|st> although I hear alot of good things about 9.04
[12:27] <Polterge|st> when it is more stable it will be nice
[12:27] <Polterge|st> just faster overall
[12:27] <Smegzor> Aperculum: So far I have been less than impressed with 9.04.  I haven't seen anything good in the new features.  Removing control-alt-backspace was the worst decision IMO.  The new unified notification thing is an unstoppable nightmare.
[12:28] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: yes, "sudo update-apt-xapian-index"
[12:29] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: rebuilding index now.
[12:29] <Traveler57> Smegzor: That's what you have the dontzap package for, and I don't find the notifications that bad. The turn with update-man was kinda bad though...but again revertable.
[12:29] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: you will have to restart synaptic when that is finished
[12:30] <JMFTheVCI> stopped synaptic first.
[12:30] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: synaptic needs to grow a bit more cleverness
[12:30] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: good :)
[12:31] <Smegzor> Traveler57: Yes.  Dontzap was the first thing I did.  Just looking for a way to disable the notification thing entirely.  What is update-man?
[12:31] <Aperculum> Smegzor: I believe the new notification would be good idea if they used it less ;)
[12:32] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: Bingo! Quick-search now finds firefox-3.5
[12:32] <Smegzor> Aperculum: yeah.  I'm being notified of stuff every few seconds.  I hate it.
[12:32] <Ienorand> Oh, I'm abbreviating (update-manager): the thing with it not using notification icons
[12:32] <flox> Smegzor: apt-get remove update-notifier
[12:32] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: thanks for confirming
[12:32] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: np.
[12:33] <Smegzor> thanks flox, I'll try that and see if not having it is any worse :)
[12:33] <Ienorand> flox: What will that actually do?
[12:34] <flox> Smegzor: wait...
[12:34] <Smegzor> hmm.. its still popping up notices
[12:34] <flox> Smegzor:  which popup you complain about ? only pidgin ?
[12:34] <histo> Ienorand: it will remove the update-notifier
[12:34] <askand> Hi, I have tried the dailylivecd:s for a week now and they keep dropping me to busybox
[12:34] <histo> Ienorand: flox you can stop the notices without remove it
[12:34] <askand> what could be wromng?
[12:34] <Smegzor> mainly pidgin.  it never used to pop-up anything, now its like rain.
[12:35] <flox> Smegzor: I was wrong, you do not need to remove "update-notifier" ... i'm sorry
[12:35] <histo> Smegzor: you can adjust those options in pidgin. You can also disable notifications in gconf
[12:35] <flox> Smegzor: this one is for "software updates notification" and "require reboot" notifications
[12:35] <Ienorand> histo: i.e. Disabling notify-osd? Or what?
[12:36] <Smegzor> flox: no worries
[12:36] <Smegzor> histo: where in gconf?  I looked - didn't find.
[12:36] <histo> Smegzor: Ienorand let me check the forums I just saw the post with the location in gconf
[12:36] <Smegzor> thanks
[12:37] <Ienorand> Or are you just talking about re-enabling update notification icons?
[12:37] <Smegzor> I've already been all through the pidgin options.  It shouldn't be notifying me of anything much, but it is - every few seconds.
[12:38] <askand> In Intrepid I got 683FPS on my Asus EEE PC 900 running Intel 915GM and in Jaunty I get ~115. With the great amount of people using intelcards I am beginning to feel that Jaunty should not be released until this has been taken care of.. whats up with this?
[12:38] <histo> Smegzor: what are you receiving for notifications I have pidgin running and I don't see anything?
[12:39] <Smegzor> just people's icons as they login/out of msn
[12:39] <histo> Smegzor: Ienorand gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[12:39] <flox> Smegzor: i do not see any popup from pidgin... I'm running Xubuntu Jaunty too
[12:39] <histo> is the command to disable it
[12:39] <flox> histo: he is looking for pidgin, no update-notifier
[12:39] <histo> Smegzor: ahh I don't have that many people logging in and out.
[12:39] <Smegzor> I may have stopped it.  I've disabled buddy icon animation
[12:39] <flox> histo: you make same error as me
[12:41] <Ienorand> Smegzor: Ah that is just for the update manager behaviour I changed that almost the first thing... I though you were talking about disabling notify-osd or something.
[12:42] <Ienorand> Sorry that should've been forhist
[12:42] <Smegzor> lenorand: heh  I'll be happy with anything less annoying than it is atm.
[12:42] <Ienorand> *histo
[12:42] <Blinkiz> Hi there. I always succeed at installing services in ubuntu but I now have a problem with one. I can't manage to install "trac" on jaunty. I begin with a clean ubuntu daily-server iso and installed minimal virtual setup. And then sudo apt-get install trac. Okay, now what? Seems like paths has changed from intrepid to jaunty so guides on the internet does not apply. And only changing paths does not work. Hmm.. Am stuck.. Anyone that has time to h
[12:42] <Blinkiz> elp me?
[12:43] <Blinkiz> This is my guide I follow. Its for pre jaunty so it contains errors. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Trac
[12:45] <flox> Blinkiz: try #trac ...
[12:45] <Smegzor> brb.  going to reboot desktop to see if its any quieter on the notification front.
[12:46] <Blinkiz> flox, But my problem is not trac related like that. I don't think so anyway. Maybe it is.. Hmm..
[12:46] <Blinkiz> Okay, gonna try this guide instead for trac. http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracOnUbuntu
[12:47] <Smegzor> quiet so far :D
[12:48] <Smegzor> I never need notification anyway.  Its a waste of my limited attention span :)
[12:49] <flox> Blinkiz: yes, there's 2 guides for Trac 0.11 on Intrepid http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstallPlatforms#LinuxPlatforms
[12:49] <flox> you may look there
[12:50] <flox> Blinkiz: I mean on Hardy ... sorry
[12:50] <Blinkiz> flox, k
[12:50] <Ienorand> But are there really more going through the notification now than there was before... counting panel icons window/mini popups etc
[12:52] <Smegzor> hmm..  its STILL notifying me every time someone f*rts.  Might need to reboot to make the change - just like old times!
[13:01] <Smegzor> rats!  nothing stops the notification sh*tstorm
[13:03] <crdlb> did you disable pidgin's notification plugin? ...
[13:04] <RobHu> I put UNR (the Netbook version) on a USB key but when it boots up from the key I just get "SYSLINUX 3.53 Debian-2009-03-09 CBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2007 H. Peter Anvin" and a "boot:" prompt. Typing 'linux' does nothing.
[13:05] <Smegzor> crdlb: possibly not.  I'll check
[13:06] <Smegzor> ok I've disabled two notification plugins.  Now to test it..
[13:08] <TheRealBigApple> anyone experiences with the stability of ext4 in jaunty?
[13:10] <Smegzor> crdlb: Disabling all notification plugins has fixed the problem.  No more pidgin poo on my desktop.
[13:12] <Smegzor> Still.. the new Ubuntu notification daemon really likes to parade the most trivial notification.  Pidgin would have only blinked at me otherwise.
[13:12] <Blinkiz> I can see that autocomplete of commands typed after sudo does not work. Probably because am missing some package because am running ubuntu minimal virtual. What should I install to get this feature?
[13:13] <crdlb> Smegzor: that's not really related to the notification daemon
[13:15] <Smegzor> maybe not.  I prefer to not be notified via pop-ups.  If I wanted pop-ups, I'd use IE or something.
[13:16] <crdlb> I'm sure the pidgin notify plugin is configurable
[13:16] <Smegzor> I did configure it.  Its off, thats the only setting I need :)
[13:18] <Novalgina2Fast> hi,i have a problem then the upgrade, knetworkmanager doesn't start,if i try to start it from terminal it says me "this program is not installed" but if i try to install it the terminal says me that this program is installed o_O
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:19] <thiebaude> yo
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> Novalgina2Fast: sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager-kde
[13:22] <zoggy> hey, i'm assuming that since so many apps are struggling to save their setting, it's due to an underlying kde bug? i have to set up my kate shortcuts every time i open a different prg file
[13:22] <Novalgina2Fast> i have try this but nothing
[13:22] <zoggy> Novalgina2Fast: can you paste your konsole session into pastebin - i'm sure it's something easy
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> Novalgina2Fast: sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager
[13:24] <Novalgina2Fast> ActionParsnip: nothing again
[13:24] <Novalgina2Fast> zoggy: the command that you want?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> Novalgina2Fast: try: dpkg -l | grep network
[13:26] <histo> Didn't they put cuda support in jaunty?
[13:27] <Novalgina2Fast> http://pastebin.com/mb9d2a17
[13:29] <chfwiggum> hi! will jaunty ship with kdevelop4?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> Novalgina2Fast: ok looks like you have the gnome one AND the kde one, this may cause an issue, remove both then install ONE
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !info kdevelop jaunty
[13:30] <chfwiggum> thx
[13:37] <histo> Hrm...looks like they dropped cuda support in 180.44 for somereason but it was in the 180.22 nvidia driver
[13:48] <Blinkiz> flox, thanks for the direction help about information about trac. Changing away from the faulty https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Trac did the trick.
[13:48] <Blinkiz> flox, http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracOnUbuntu was a better one
[13:49] <flox> Blinkiz: good news :)
[13:58] <badserii> Hi! In 9.04 vino doesn't have the possibility to connect from outside local network.
[13:58] <badserii> is it normal?
[13:59] <badserii> vino-prefferences doesn't have an Advanced tab as it had in previous versions.
[14:01] <Dougshell> hey gusy...im really looking forward to the jaunty release but i would like to help out as far as bugs...so far are there any fatal errros or serious problems..i am runnign amd 64 1.6 4gb ram, hp pavilion dv2000
[14:01] <Dougshell> im pretty good with solving problems on my U install so far so im not to scared
[14:04] <mbeierl> badserii: odd.  my vino server shows as being reachable...
[14:04] <mbeierl> tcp6       0      0 :::5900                 :::*                    LISTEN      4465/vino-server
[14:05] <mbeierl> badserii: What advanced feature was it?
[14:05] <badserii> mbeierl: advanced features where you specified for what network should it be available.
[14:05] <tosh> Pici: thx
[14:05] <badserii> and also, if you require encription
[14:05] <dns53> i'm having problems with my keyboard and touchpad on my laptop, sometimes it does not come up on login, if i plug in another mouse that one works but not the touchpad
[14:06] <badserii> and also, if to display the notification icon.
[14:06] <mbeierl> badserii: when you say "local" do you mean other than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:07] <tosh> are there any pre release "release candidate" isos for ubuntu to test already?
[14:07] <mbeierl> badserii: On my vino-prefs there's a Notification Area radio button that says "Always, Only when someone's connected, Never"
[14:07] <badserii> mbeierl: I mean ethernet.
[14:07] <tosh> i read there are for kubuntu
[14:07] <badserii> let me do a screenshot of what I miss here in vino
[14:07] <mbeierl> badserii: ok
[14:09] <mbeierl> !pastebin images
[14:10] <badserii> http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4967/advanced.png
[14:11] <badserii> this is on debian lenny
[14:11] <badserii> but in ubuntu hardy is the same.
[14:12] <badserii> I want to connect over internet.
[14:13] <digitaloktay> hi people
[14:14] <digitaloktay> UUID=573c127f-a666-4d9a-b6a8-dcbde0709df0 /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[14:17] <badserii> an also one more thing: when I do screenshots, the window with screenshot prefferences appears in them.
[14:21] <mbeierl> badserii: So, the security and notification tabs are the same: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1820/screenshotremotedesktop.png
[14:22] <digitaloktay> werden noch neue Pakete bis zum stable in ubuntu jaunty kommen?
[14:24] <badserii> mbeierl: but what with Your desktop is reachable only from local network ?
[14:24] <badserii> how to change this?
[14:25] <badserii> ah, ok, I see now.
[14:25] <badserii> thanks mbeierl.
[14:25] <badserii> one more thing.
[14:26] <badserii> ah, I've already told it... regarding screenshots.
[14:26] <Dougshell> is there a placeto check reported jaunty problems one specific hardware..ie like a user created database fo r different laptops..
[14:26] <mbeierl> badserii: but I see the port number is not changeable.
[14:27] <gepatino> anyone knows at what time will jaunty be available for upgrades on 23th?
[14:29] <gepatino> we are running an apt-cache at the office and I'd like to have it updated before everyone tries to upgrade to jaunty :)
[14:31] <mjwitter> gepatino: just keep a one pc up to date and then when the final is released apt-cache will have all the up to date packages?
[14:33] <digitaloktay> anyone knows are new packages available to the stable?
[14:37] <badserii> this is an example of the bug with screenshots: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1124/13894283.png
[14:40] <cousteau> will Jaunty include the new nvidia 96.43.11 driver?
[14:40] <mjwitter> best thing to do is add a second or 2 delay
[14:40] <dade`> vmmouse does not sync with host-os when running ubuntu 9.04 inside wmware , is this a known bug ?
[14:41] <cousteau> according to nvidia, this driver now supports x.org 1.5 and 1.6
[14:41] <cousteau> should I make a package request?
[14:42] <gepatino> mjwitter: that makes sense
[14:42] <gepatino> mjwitter: thanks
[14:43] <mbeierl> badserii: which bug?
[14:43] <Milos_SD> is Luke Yelavich that has pulseaudio 0.9.15 PPA online? :)
[14:43] <badserii> the window of the screenshot application appears transparent in screenshots
[14:43] <badserii> mbeierl: I don't think this is actually a big bug. It has to do with desktop effects.
[14:44] <mbeierl> badserii: Ok, I see.  I did not know if you were referring to a bug in vino :)
[14:44] <badserii> mbeierl: no. not in vino :)
[14:44] <mjwitter> badserii: Best thing to do is add a 1 or 2 second delay then it has faded completely
[14:47] <badserii> mjwitter: Thanks. It's not a problem for me, I just thought that for end users it would be a little annoying.
[14:49] <mbeierl> does anyone know if there is a way to completely disable the calendar portion of evolution? Bug 353187 is preventing me from using evolution at all
[14:49] <mjwitter> No worries.. You're right it is annoying.  They should probably set a default delay
[14:49] <histo> Anyone know why cuda was removed from the newer nvidia drivers in jaunty?
[14:55] <badserii> mjwitter: wouldn't it be better to disable effects for the screenshot application (if it is possible) ?
[14:56] <badserii> mjwitter: imagine that you want to catch a moment of a fraction of second.
[14:56] <badserii> but there is a default delay of 2 seconds.
[14:56] <mjwitter> true.. hmm
[14:57] <histo> ahh nvidia only has 180.22 on their site.
[15:00] <mbeierl> hggdh: is there a way of preventing evolution-exchange from using the calendar altogether?  Bug 353187 is still out there, and it's making evo unusable for me :(
[15:02] <hggdh> mbeierl, not to my knowledge
[15:02] <hggdh> mbeierl, keep in mind I do not use e-e
[15:03] <hggdh> mbeierl, try asking in #evolution on irc.gnome.org -- this is still a good time, most of the developers are there
[15:26] <histo> Ughhh... I can't install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com its not workign with jaunty.
[15:26] <histo> Installs but X fails to start with module errors
[15:27] <matrixblue> histo, it probably isn't compatible with the New Xorg that Jaunty uses
[15:28] <cousteau> histo: which driver?
[15:28] <cousteau> 'cause I want to install 96.43.11 but want to be sure first
[15:29] <cousteau> according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_x86_96.43.11.html that one supports xorg 1.5 and 1.6
[15:30] <baffle> I have a strange problem with Jaunty; Yesterday xorg threw a fit, and neither my Intel card or ATI card (fglrx) seems to work. Starting X makes the machine go booom.
[15:31] <crdlb> cousteau: the 96 driver seems to be in bad shape :/
[15:31] <baffle> My laptop has both ATI + Intel card, switchable in BIOS.
[15:31] <cousteau> the 96.43.11?
[15:31] <cousteau> or the 96.43.10?
[15:32] <crdlb> it seems really buggy lately
[15:32] <crdlb> like nvidia isn't really trying (and they're not)
[15:32] <cousteau> the 96.43.11 or the 96.43.10?
[15:33] <crdlb> in general
[15:37] <cousteau> looks like 96.43.10 didn't support x.org server 1.5/1.6but 96.43.11 will
[15:46] <matrixblue> histo, baffle I'm sticking with the open source drivers for now. Shouldn't be a problem unless you go alot of 3D graphics
[15:47] <baffle> matrixblue: Nopes.. Something else must be wrong, it just doesn't start.. Not intel, not ati, not fglrx.
[15:48] <baffle> matrixblue: Problably some magic file has exploded. :)
[15:49] <matrixblue> baffle, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root
[15:54] <mbeierl> hggdh: thanks - sorry - got called to a mtg... :(
[15:56] <baffle> matrixblue: Explosion. :)
[15:56] <baffle> matrixblue: It's not xorg.conf.
[16:00] <matrixblue> baffle, have you tried that command?
[16:02] <[4-tea-2]> My laptop froze again. All hail Jaunty!
[16:04] <[4-tea-2]> I start to dislike Ubuntu kernels. It seems I have the choice between stability (stock kernel) or suspend (Ubuntu kernel).
[16:06] <saxin> I can't find out how I lock a session in Jaunty. Anyone knows?
[16:06] <[4-tea-2]> saxin: there should be a menu in the upper right corner.
[16:07] <[4-tea-2]> saxin: the great unified logout/power off/lock screen/IM status menu.
[16:07] <saxin> Yeah, so easy. Thanks alot [4-tea-2] :)
[16:10] <matrixblue> baffle, What exactly is it doing? What error you getting?
[16:20] <spawn57> hi, I iuse kde, but for some reason falash is using my usb headset as the default output.  I think it's using pulseaudio.  Is there anyway for me to select which soundcard is the default output
[16:26] <cousteau> spawn57: maybe in System >Preferences > Sound?
[16:27] <cousteau> (well, that's for Hardy and Gnome, but should be similar for KDE and Jaunty)
[16:31] <spawn57> hmm..
[16:31] <spawn57> any idea what the name of hte app is?
[16:42] <AliTarihi> Hi anyone knows about no sound  in flash players in kubuntu
[16:49] <matrixblue> AliTarihi, which flash player are you using? (Flash-nonfree, swdef, gnash)
[16:49] <AliTarihi> matrixblue: nonfree
[16:50] <AliTarihi> no sound at all in all my players and I'm using x86_64
[16:51] <trappist> I'm not sure what package to file this bug against.  just upgraded, I'm a kde guy but I use gnome-terminal.  only, gnome-terminal won't run because the gconf daemon isn't running.  I can start it, but I didn't have this problem before.  whose bug is this?
[16:51] <matrixblue> AliTarihi, are you using firefox or Konqueor?
[16:51] <AliTarihi> matrixblue: Konqueror, arora and rekonq
[16:52] <AliTarihi> no luck
[16:52] <matrixblue> AliTarihi, Try firefox and see if it works (narrowing down the cause of the problem)
[16:53] <trappist> and another problem.  I use compiz, and apps I launch don't open on the current viewport.
[16:54] <matrixblue> trappist, Which viewport do they open on? and is it always the same viewport?
[16:55] <trappist> matrixblue: I can't seem to find a pattern.  I have a 4-sided cube, and it sometimes opens on the opposite viewport, sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left
[16:55] <matrixblue> trappist, Where they being launched from?
[16:55] <trappist> and once in a while, on the correct viewport, but that seems to be by chance
[16:56] <trappist> whatever kicker's called these days
[16:56] <trappist> ok after launching firefox a dozen or so times, it seems to have settled on a viewport... opens on the same one every time now
[16:57] <trappist> but I can't drag it, either by grabbing the titlebar or through alt-drag
[16:58] <trappist> using emerald
[16:58] <matrixblue> trappist, oh you're using KDE....I don't have much experience with kde but I would explore the compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:59] <trappist> that sounds like a pretty reasonable suggestion :)
[16:59] <trappist> hrm.  some windows seem to be draggable.
[16:59] <matrixblue> try running compiz --replace
[16:59] <matrixblue> if windows can't drag that's a serious problem
[17:00] <trappist> I tried that, and fusion-icon.  I seem to be getting the same behavior.
[17:01] <trappist> some windows drag fine.  seems to be firefox-specific, so far
[17:02] <matrixblue> trappist, I wish I knew what to tell you, I've always been a GNOME sorta guy. Hopefully a KDE expert comes along soon
[17:02] <trappist> well in spite of this, so far I'm really impressed with the upgrade
[17:03] <matrixblue> trappist, Try updating your gnome dependencies
[17:03] <trappist> I just now upgraded, shouldn't I be all up to date?
[17:06] <trappist> ok my remaining issues seem to be emerald-specific
[17:06] <matrixblue> trappist, tried emerald --replace?
[17:06] <trappist> just kidding, same issues if I switch to gtk-window-decorator
[17:06] <trappist> and yes, I have :)
[17:08] <matrixblue> trappist, I'm out of ideas sorry I couldn't help more
[17:08] <trappist> np, you were still helpful :)
[17:09] <matrixblue> trappist, consider opening a bug report
[17:10] <matrixblue> trappist, open firefox, click help and select "Report a Problem"
[17:10] <matrixblue> it will send debugging info to the developers
[17:10] <trappist> well, first I want to make sure I've narrowed it down to the app with the problem... firefox or compiz
[17:11] <mint3> compiz is tasty
[17:12] <zacktu> I've never been able to get a CD of 9.04 beta to work.  Installed 8.10 and then did update-manager -d.  Since then I've never received any updates.  Last fall I tried the beta of 8.10 and recall lots of updates.
[17:12] <mint3> zacktu, hello son
[17:12] <zacktu> hi mint3
[17:13] <trappist> I definitely do have a compiz bug to file, though.  In the window decorator plugin, I say !class=Gnome-terminal so I can have undecorated gnome-terminal windows, but every time I change a compiz setting, my gnome-terminal windows get decorated until I click on them
[17:15] <mvo> zacktu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945 - maybe?
[17:16] <mvo> DBO: hi, you mentioned a redundant plugin in compiz earlier? is there a bug for this?
[17:16] <DBO> not yet
[17:16] <DBO> I got frustrated trying to get jaunty to not suck and didn't file
[17:17] <DBO> UXA is my only performance hope, but I cant get it to suspend proper
[17:17] <mvo> DBO: oh :( what is the problem ?
[17:17]  * mvo nods
[17:17] <DBO> even the Greedy migrationheuristic fails
[17:18] <beuh> Hello
[17:18] <beuh> I cannot install Ubuntu 9.04 beta by USB key, because I a problem I must unmount the key. You are a solution ?
[17:19] <maxb> beuh: You will have to explain your problem much more precisely if people are to be able to help.
[17:19] <matrixblue> beuh, are you using the usb-creator?
[17:19] <Nixie> Hmm... can anyone help me with printing on cd's with a canon printer? I don't got any clue how to do it with ubuntu
[17:19] <onthefence928> ooo that's scary "jaunty may break your system" wtf?
[17:20] <beuh> No, I use UNetbootin
[17:20] <DBO> mvo, but basically, the fade windows plugin does the same thing the animation plugin does
[17:20] <onthefence928> Nixie: i can tell you you don't run the CD itself through the printer :)
[17:20] <matrixblue> nixie use glabels
[17:20] <DBO> you can simply disable the fade windows plugin mvo
[17:21] <Nixie> matrixblue:  ty
[17:21] <mvo> DBO: last I looked into this, fade was needed for some things (can't remember which) - has this changed now?
[17:21] <mvo> DBO: (last was some months ago :)
[17:21] <DBO> mvo, you can configure the animation plugin to make it handle those cases
[17:21] <matrixblue> beuh, what error are you getting?
[17:22] <mvo> DBO: ah, cool. thanks for this!
[17:22]  * mvo checks it out
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> hey all, weird one for you. I've read there is something called ethernet offloading that ethernet devices can use but is not enabled by default. http://pastebin.com/d9c0ba7b
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> is it only permitted in certain controllers and no onboard NIC or is there some additional config i need to get this enabled
[17:23] <beuh> matrixblue: When I install I get a error with the partition manager
[17:25] <matrixblue> beuh, partition manager? You sure you're not trying to do a full install?
[17:28] <Nixie> matrixblue: I can't open any images with glabels ?? :P
[17:28] <beuh> matrixblue: yes, I process to a full install via USB key, I start to the USB key and I start the install and when I arrive at partitioning, I have an error "code 141".
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> beuh: have you md5 checked your iso?
[17:30] <matrixblue> beuh, I'm sorry I misunderstood you earlier. I'm not sure if unetbootin is meant to be used to install. I know a full install is possible using the usb-creator included in Ubuntu
[17:30] <beuh> yes, but no error is detected
[17:31] <kBang> can anyone tell me what app Jaunty uses for display?
[17:31] <matrixblue> beuh, I would try making a live-usb with the built in usb-creator (System, Administration, USB Startup Disk Creator) and do an install with that
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> kBang: display of what?
[17:31] <beuh> matrixblue: thank you for your assistance, I go tried again
[17:31] <matrixblue> Nixie, are you importing images?
[17:31] <Nixie> matrixblue: I can't open any images with glabels ?? :P
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> kBang: or do you mean display properties, can you please clarify
[17:32] <kBang> I believe that is the actual menu name ActionParsnip , not on jaunty now or I could find it
[17:32] <Nixie> matrixblue: hmm... no... where do I do that?
[17:32] <aixenv> hey guys, im trying to remember how to re-enable 'compiz's cube rotation with control+alt+arrows,
[17:32] <kBang> Preferences> Display I believe
[17:32] <aixenv> im not finding any configuration options for compiz atm
[17:32] <beuh> matrixblue: Ok, I will try usb-creator
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> kBang: systemsettings in kde?
[17:32] <kBang> aha so sorry...Ubuntu
[17:32] <aixenv> just the system -> appearance -> visual effects and 3 options no config
[17:32] <matrixblue> Nixie, Objects, Create, Images
[17:32] <kBang> ActionParsnip, ubuntu, Preferences>Display
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> kBang: i dont use gnome, i'm no help here fellah, maybe someone else can pitch in
[17:33] <lastelement0> hey all. i just ran the recent updates on my jaunty install and now i can't get to the login screen. is there a way to rollback those updates?
[17:33] <matrixblue> lastelement0, What happens instead of the login screen?
[17:33] <Nixie> matrixblue: I tried that way but when I choose what image I want to use nothing happens
[17:33] <kBang> no prob ActionParsnip thanks
[17:33] <matrixblue> What kind of image is it? gif, jpg, etc?
[17:33] <Nixie> jph
[17:34] <Nixie> jpg*
[17:34] <lastelement0> matrixblue: it locks up right before its about to load. as if freezes in mid load
[17:34] <matrixblue> Nixie, did you drag the box first?
[17:34] <Nixie> matrixblue: yes I did
[17:34] <matrixblue> lastelement0, reconfigure xorg
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> lastelement0: not unless you know what you installed and what versions you had before
[17:35] <matrixblue> Nixie, try another image
[17:35] <lastelement0> matrixblue: whats the command for that?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> lastelement0: boot to recovery mde for your kernel and select fix x when the menu is presented
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> *mode
[17:35] <kBang> would anyone on Ubuntu Jaunty be so kind as to check Preferences>Display and tell me what the name of that app actually is?
[17:35] <matrixblue> sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver0xorg
[17:35] <matrixblue> sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg sorry
[17:35] <aixenv> ahh found it
[17:36] <lastelement0> thank you
[17:36] <matrixblue> kBang, display preferences
[17:36] <kBang> O.O as in gnome-display-preferences maybe, matrixblue ?
[17:36] <matrixblue> kBang, it just say display preferences
[17:37] <Halow> Actually, it's gnome-display-properties.
[17:37] <kBang> thanks matrixblue
[17:38] <Nixie> matrixblue: I tried alot of different images
[17:38] <Nixie> matrixblue:  nothing works
[17:39] <matrixblue> Nicke, I see the problem working on a solution
[17:40] <ethana2> my apt cache file is corrupt, how do I regenerate it?
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> ethana2: sudo apt-get clean
[17:40]  * ethana2 does that
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> ethana2: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:41] <matrixblue> Nixie, the image is there but the alignment as size won't be adjusted
[17:41] <matrixblue> Nixie, I think that is a bug
[17:41] <matrixblue> I'm going to report it now
[17:42] <AliTarihi> I'm experiencing freezes in Kubuntu Jaunty whenever I have a notification
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> AliTarihi: have you installed video drivers and full updates?
[17:42] <AliTarihi> yes
[17:42] <AliTarihi> and the effects are on
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> AliTarihi: ok next time it freezes, run: dmesg | tail
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> AliTarihi: immediately after
[17:43] <AliTarihi> I also have a OK
[17:43] <AliTarihi> you can send me a couple of messages and it would happen :D
[17:44] <AliTarihi> Well nothing on dmesg
[17:44] <ethana2> Uggh, university wifi, I'm not going to be able to upgrade right now
[17:44] <AliTarihi> ActionParsnip: So nothing for now
[17:44] <ethana2> doing ctrl+c on a package upgrade (download stage) isn't going to mess anything up, right?
[17:45] <lastelement0> hey guys....reconfiguring x didnt' work
[17:46] <mbeierl> ethana2: correct, ctrl+c during download stage is safe
[17:46] <ethana2> oh, hey, it sped back up
[17:46] <ethana2> guess it's not the wifi.
[17:46]  * ethana2 lets it complete
[17:47] <flox> ethana2: yes it stops downloading but install what is already downloaded, i believe
[17:49] <matrixblue> Nixie, sorry I can't get it work either
[17:49] <lastelement0> matrixblue: reconfiguring x didn't work
[17:50] <ethana2> ok, it's done, nothing unusual this time
[17:50] <ethana2> I think apt-get clean worked fine
[17:50] <ethana2> thanky'
[17:50] <matrixblue> lastelement0, When did you do the update that caused the problem?
[17:50] <flox> lastelement0: "which udevadm"
[17:51] <flox> lastelement0: yesterday someone complained of such error because udevadm was lost
[17:52] <Nixie> matrixblue: Got any other suggestion for app I can use to print cd labels?
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> Nixie: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-484346.html
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> !info glabels
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> BAM
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> !info cdlabelgen
[17:53] <bercik> Is it at the moment possible to make fglrx with Jaunty working?
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> !ati
[17:55] <matrixblue> Nixie, sorry I don't know of another program
[17:55] <matrixblue> I'm going to lunch everyone
[17:55] <bercik> thank
[17:55] <bercik> s
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> bercik: what ati card do you have?
[17:56] <archiuter> hi all
[17:56] <matrixblue> lastelement0, trying running another update with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> !hi | archiuter
[17:56] <bercik> ActionParsnip: radeon x300mobility
[17:56] <lastelement0> flox what is "udevadm"?
[17:57] <matrixblue> lastelement0, I suspect that an incomplete upgrade may be the problem
[17:57] <bercik> I guess it doesnt matter, couse theres not yet ati driver for Xorg 1.6
[17:57] <matrixblue> lastelement0, I'm headed out but drop a PM and let me know how it goes, back in 1 hour
[17:58] <flox> lastelement0: udevadm est une commande du package "udev" qui est essentielle au démarrage du système
[17:58] <flox> lastelement0: udevadm is a command from package "udev" wich is essential for system startup
[17:59] <flox> lastelement0: it builds the hierarchy below /dev/
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> bercik: try this in your xorg.conf: http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/artikel/40414/probleme-mit-x300-und-radeon.html
[17:59] <flox> lastelement0:  with "which udevadm", you check that the command exist in the system
[18:00] <archiuter> i'm one of the ubuntu users in IRAN... how can I control display brightness in sony VAIO FZ 340 ?
[18:00] <archiuter> How can install it? !
[18:01] <lastelement0> flox, if i dont get a response from that how can i get it back?
[18:01] <archiuter> can anyone help me?! plz
[18:01] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: your websearch skills suck HARD
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SonyVaioBrightness
[18:02] <Lenin_Cat> so tommorw is the realise canadate?
[18:03] <flox> lastelement0: you should reinstall udev
[18:03] <archiuter> ActionParsnip: i try it before! not work !
[18:03] <flox> lastelement0: sudo apt-get --reinstall install udev
[18:04] <lastelement0> now what if this doesnt work?
[18:04] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869108
[18:04] <odinsbane> gvfs is all over the place, can I configure it?
[18:04] <topyli> i wonder why mounting my samba shared network disk is so slow on jaunty
[18:05] <flox> lastelement0: it does not work ?
[18:05] <flox> lastelement0: which error ?
[18:05] <lastelement0> well im on my windows partition at the moment
[18:05] <lastelement0> i would need to reboot on here to try
[18:05] <archiuter> ActionParsnip: tanx... i try it... where do u from?
[18:05] <lastelement0> and dont have access to any other machine with IRC
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: UK
[18:06] <flox> lastelement0: where are you blocked ? it try to start X but screen flickers and go back to shell ?
[18:06] <flox> or it stops before ?
[18:06] <lastelement0> flox: it loads fine like i have the load bar.
[18:07] <lastelement0> but between that and the login it freezes
[18:07] <lastelement0> tries to fix it self
[18:07] <lastelement0> but then locks up
[18:07] <archiuter> ActionParsnip: nice... my English is not good....so sorry ;) what is ur name? age ? ...
[18:07] <flox> lastelement0: and you have an error message ?
[18:07] <lastelement0> no error message it just freezes
[18:07] <lastelement0> can't do anything
[18:07] <flox> lastelement0: maybe disable the "splash" screen to see what happens
[18:08] <flox> lastelement0: when it starts, at the very beginning (grub), press ESC
[18:08] <JMFTheVCI> I have just run a bash script in a terminal. It crashed (bad coding) but now I cannot open a terminal. Is there a way to reset any terminal settings?
[18:09] <flox> lastelement0: then press "e" to edit the line
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: 28 and I'm andy
[18:09] <flox> lastelement0: with arrow keys go to the line starting with "vmlinuz", and press "e" again
[18:10] <JMFTheVCI> Not even opening a root terminal works.
[18:10] <archiuter> ActionParsnip: 24 Amir
[18:10] <flox> lastelement0: with arrow keys, go to end of line and remove "splash" from this line
[18:10] <lastelement0> would adding "v" at the end also provide a verbose loading?
[18:10] <flox> lastelement0: then "Enter" to go back, then press "b" to boot with modified setting
[18:10] <archiuter> ActionParsnip: tanx for ur help... ;)
[18:11] <flox> lastelement0: note: these settings will not be saved, it is only applied "live"
[18:11] <lastelement0> ok
[18:11] <flox> lastelement0: no, for verbose, you have to remove keyword "quiet" from the line
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> archiuter: np man
[18:12] <mbeierl> flox: side question ... what's the "quiet" for in the line and would it help to remove that as well?
[18:12] <flox> mbeierl: help for what ?
[18:12] <lastelement0> flox thank you  for the suggestions. ill be back shortly with either a fail or success haha
[18:12] <flox> lastelement0: note any message suspect
[18:13] <lastelement0> will do
[18:13] <mbeierl> flox: the boot line and seeing what's going on for lastelement0
[18:13] <flox> mbeierl: i gave him the suggestion, too
[18:13] <flox> mbeierl: "quiet" is keyword to lower verbosity of the boot process
[18:14] <mbeierl> flox: ah ok.  I just always remove both and didn't know the difference ;)
[18:15] <flox> mbeierl: i keep "quiet" because i do not need so many messages during boot (i remove only splash, because it boots quickly)
[18:15] <flox> mbeierl: only when something is wrong, i remove "quiet"
[18:16] <mbeierl> flox: Ah. I see.  I don't boot often, so I have splash kept on, and same thing - I only remove them when needed.
[18:19] <odinsban1> I have one terminal with irssi and top running, it says I am using 3G of memory.  Should I be worried about that?
[18:19] <sebsebseb> odinsban1: sounds a little odd maybe
[18:19] <sebsebseb> odinsban1: ,but your running more than just a terminal
[18:19] <sebsebseb> ?
[18:20] <ActionParsnip> odinsbanwhat is that apps or total used?
[18:20] <ActionParsnip> odinsban1: linux uses spare raam for disk cache
[18:20] <odinsban1> total used
[18:21] <odinsban1> er just used the second column
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> odinsban1: sounds normal, your ram is used for cache, unused ram is wsted ram so its being used for cache, cache will reduce as you load apps
[18:21] <odinsban1> sounds good, just making sure.
[18:22] <ActionParsnip> odinsban1: nothing wrong with that, if the system starts to struggle then worry
[18:22] <thiebaude> hi ActionParsnip
[18:22] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yyo thiebaude
[18:23] <thiebaude> haha
[18:23] <lastelement0> hey flox: still fails. and i got no error messages. it appears as if its GDM
[18:23] <thiebaude> is 9.04 stable yet
[18:23] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: i'd say it was stable the day beta came out
[18:23] <thiebaude> x freezes on me
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: fully update andvideo drivers all in?
[18:24] <flox> lastelement0: the scren flickers ? trying to start X ?
[18:24] <thiebaude> you think i should try to upgrade?
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: if you have x freezing i would hold off
[18:25] <lastelement0> flox: yeah as if its trying different x terminals. but then it just stops with a garbled image
[18:25] <thiebaude> ok,  i'am on 8.10
[18:25] <thiebaude> lastelement0: same thing with me after login
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: if 8.10 is working, why fix it
[18:25] <thiebaude> kewl
[18:25] <flox> lastelement0: and you fall to command line ?
[18:25] <thiebaude> i trying blackbox now,yo
[18:25] <lastelement0> thiebaude i cant even get to login
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: i upgrade blind because I simply dont care if my system dies or not and i get to log bugs
[18:26] <lastelement0> flox: no it just hangs at that
[18:26] <thiebaude> lastelement0: what video chip do you have?
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: nice, blackbox is pretty sweet
[18:26] <flox> you do not have a command line to enter commands
[18:26] <flox> ?
[18:26] <thiebaude> fluxbox is too
[18:27] <lastelement0> flox: nope. it hangs on that not fully rendered image, which i believe is my GDM
[18:27] <thiebaude> thursday is rc, what does that mean
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: used it loved it, then moved to lxde
[18:27] <td123> that means the release candidate will be released on thursday
[18:27] <flox> lastelement0: maybe try to reconfigure (logging with rescue system)
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: rc == release candidate
[18:27] <odinsbane> So when I run totem it asks me to install some codecs, I said no because it was 20 something packages, but I can't find any of those in synaptic.
[18:27] <thiebaude> its low on resources,lxde?
[18:27] <flox> lastelement0: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[18:27] <ActionParsnip> !lxde
[18:28] <ActionParsnip> !info lxde
[18:28] <thiebaude> i'll check it out
[18:28] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: its configured like xfce
[18:28] <flox> lastelement0: ou "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xerver-xorg" plutôt
[18:28] <odinsbane> found it.
[18:28] <thiebaude> xfce is bloated for me
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: its worth a look, you can always remove it
[18:29] <thiebaude> yup
[18:29] <lastelement0> flox either or works?
[18:29] <flox> lastelement0: and "startx" to try to start it manually, if you have the shell
[18:29] <flox> lastelement0: the 2nd one is the good one
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: fluxbox is cool too, its got awesome hotkey support
[18:30] <thiebaude> i want to get the wm that uses the least resources
[18:30] <flox> thiebaude: fluxbox, ratpoison, and many others
[18:31] <thiebaude> bbl
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> xfce, flwm, fvwm, fluxbox, xswm, blackbox, icewm
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> !info flwm
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> wow craz
[18:34] <matrixblue> back
[18:34] <flox> !info jwm
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> flwm is smaller
[18:35] <flox> !info wmii
[18:35] <flox> ActionParsnip: indeed
[18:36] <ActionParsnip> !info lxde
[18:36] <ActionParsnip> !info lxde-common
[18:37] <flox> yes, have to compare dependencies
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> totally
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> gonna tr flwm for chuckles
[18:38] <crdlb> twm!
[18:39] <flox> !info twm
[18:40] <lastelement0> flox: no luck
[18:40] <lastelement0> running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" doesnt help
[18:40] <lastelement0> once i run startx it does the same
[18:41] <bjsnider> lastelement0, what does it do?
[18:41] <Bodsda> How do i reanable the ctrl+alt+backspace
[18:41] <lastelement0> bjsnider: the issue has come once i ran the updates that were available
[18:41] <lastelement0> it loads fine. but once its time to load up login, it freezes
[18:42] <bjsnider> which graphicsdriver?
[18:42] <lastelement0> different "images" each time. i say that cuz its not even a picture its garbled
[18:42] <lastelement0> ati/fglrx
[18:44] <odinsbane> basic linux question, if I set a variable in a script, say export PYTHONPATH=/some/where, how do I make it take effect when I execute it?
[18:44] <odinsbane> ie, ./myscript doesn't set the pythonpath but . myscript does.
[18:44] <odinsbane> Maybe I need the #!/usr/bin/bsh  ...?
[18:46] <flox> odinsbane: what do you try to do ? to set the variable when you open the session ?
[18:47] <odinsbane> no when I run the script
[18:47] <ScribbleJ> odinsbane, that's proper, you ahve to do . scriptname for an export to work like that in a subshell (script)
[18:48] <bjsnider> lastelement0, is fglrx selected in jockey?
[18:48] <odinsbane> jaunty has qt4.5?
[18:49] <flox> odinsbane: 4.5.0-0ubuntu4
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> woah this is FAST
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> flwm is pretty slick
[18:50] <flox> :)
[18:51] <odinsbane> Drat I was compile qt all afternoon because I didn't check if 4.5 was included with jaunty
[18:52] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: how big is flwm to download ?
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: tiny tiny
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> <100k
[18:53] <wirechief> that is tiny.
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> doesnt make an entry for k/gdm so you have too make it manually
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187443
[18:56] <wirechief> hmm so that works under jaunty too then ?
[18:56] <wirechief> good info.
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: i'm running it now in jaunty
[18:56] <wirechief> k
[18:58] <odinsbane> ActionParsnip: can you use compiz with it?
[18:58] <mbeierl> odinsbane: it's a replacement for compiz
[18:58] <mbeierl> odinsbane: sorry I mean it replaces but does not do effects
[18:59] <drmrhorse> hmm workspace switcher is not working
[18:59] <odinsbane> I thought it was a replacement for gnome
[18:59] <myjess> Hi all, anyone live at the mo?
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> odinsbane: its a lightweige WM, kinda pointless running compiz with it
[19:00] <myjess> How do I add to the suspend/resume wiki stating that my medion SIM 2110 laptop doesn't even come back after step1?
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> odinsbane: all i can say is try it but if you run a lightweight WM yu kinda defeat the object by throwing compiz in
[19:01] <odinsbane> I would expect as much.
[19:01] <crdlb> compiz is a window manager
[19:01] <myjess> Can anyone answer my Q, please.....:-D
[19:02] <mbeierl> !ask
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> myjess: all i know of it, is that its a massive PITA to get nice
[19:02] <myjess> Pardon?
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> suspend / hibernate is a real pain to get nice
[19:03] <myjess> OH, PITA, I got you now :)
[19:03] <topyli> so, umm, is everybody's samba (client side) all nice and fast?
[19:03] <tigerstein> hi all
[19:04] <myjess> Yeh, shame that, cos I would use it all the time if I could just get it working. Only reason I use Xp on the lappy is cos it hib's and takes no time to boot back up.
[19:04] <lastelement0> flox: any suggestions as to where i should go from here short of a reinstall?
[19:04] <tigerstein> is someone using netbeans here?
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> topyli: make sure in /etc/samba/smb.conf you have   socket options = TCP_NODELAY  uncommented
[19:05] <myjess> How do I add to the suspend /resume wiki, so others can see that this lappy doesn'e like to suspend under 8.10 or 9.04??
[19:05] <topyli> ActionParsnip: do i have to care about that if i'm just a client too?
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> topyli: it can speed stuff up if you set it on the server side
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> topyli: otherwise, log a bug
[19:06] <topyli> ActionParsnip: the server is a router i can't really configure very much
[19:07] <flox> lastelement0: i will hv dinner.. don't know for ur problem
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> topyli: if its a server pc running as a router and a file server its fine, if its a router with a usb connection for hdd acess then i'm unsure
[19:08] <topyli> ActionParsnip: it's just a router that happens to run samba. i have a disk and a printer connected to it
[19:08] <topyli> always worked well except now with my jaunty client
[19:09] <flox> lastelement0: try to look on forums, about your graphic card or your computer model
[19:09] <flox> lastelement0: with keyword ubuntu
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> topyli: sounds like a bug to me
[19:10] <topyli> ActionParsnip: actually, mounting with smbmount worked fast for some reason. no cifs, no smbfs or other fancy stuff
[19:10] <topyli> works but still strange
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> topyli: i'd use smbmout if you can anyway
[19:12] <topyli> oh :)
[19:12] <topyli> oh well. thanks
[19:19] <odinsbane> How can I go about installing something so the package manager recognizes its there, from source?
[19:19] <sebsebseb> panda_baby: ok now your in
[19:19] <panda_baby> who is this person you say knows about this?
[19:20] <tigerstein> odinsbane, maybe if you make a pakage from it?
[19:20] <odinsbane> Ie I use PyQt2.5.?  where as ubuntu comes with PyQT4.4?
[19:21] <panda_baby> Trying to setup a Dell AIO 922 printer/scanner using CUPS, can't find the drivers, been trying for 2 days, gave up.... someone help me and i will give you a cookie if it works. =)
[19:21] <crdlb> odinsbane: what do you need qt2 for?
[19:21] <odinsbane> crdlb: sorry 4.5
[19:21] <Cutter> hello
[19:22] <Cutter> is Jaunty's wallpaper definitive?
[19:22] <odinsbane> tigerstein: Ill have to look into that.
[19:22] <crdlb> odinsbane: well, what do you need 4.5 for then? :)
[19:23] <crdlb> jaunty does have Qt4.5, just not the python bindings for it, apparently
[19:23] <odinsbane> crdlb: Its just an example, PyQt4.5 will work with either QT version.
[19:23] <panda_baby> BRB i'll ask again in about 10 minutes
[19:23] <panda_baby> i gotta have a ciggy
[19:23] <flox> !info equiv
[19:24] <crdlb> odinsbane: well, come up with a real example first :)
[19:24] <odinsbane> crdlb: well it is a real example, I have compiled and installed PyQt4, now if I install a package that depends on it, I can't used the package manager other wise I will have to overwrite my existing pyqt
[19:25] <odinsbane> It happened to me with ffmpeg too.
[19:25] <flox> !info equivs > odinsbane
[19:25] <flox> !info equivs
[19:25] <crdlb> odinsbane: there's /usr/local
[19:25] <crdlb> but that should be used sparingly
[19:25] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: hi
[19:25] <flox> yes, be careful with equivs..
[19:25] <crdlb> you don't need the latest version of every package
[19:25] <Aleksey_S> hi
[19:25] <odinsbane> crdlb: sure
[19:26] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: in Linux, you would open Applications> Accessories> Terminal
[19:26] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: in the Terminal, use sha256sum somefile
[19:26] <Aleksey_S> yes, then dpkg -i kernel_xxx
[19:26] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: so you would download the file , then sha256sum linux-image-2.6.28-12-generic_2.6.28-12.42~crimsun2lp345627_amd64.deb
[19:27] <Aleksey_S> it is required only if i want check corectness of the file, right?
[19:27] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: yes, but i strongly recommend you do it regardless
[19:27] <odinsbane> flox that looks exactly like what I'm thinking.
[19:28] <flox> odinsbane: but this tool may break the guarantee of your system
[19:28] <flox> odinsbane: (joke)
[19:28] <Aleksey_S> so do i need something besides the kernel image? headers etc
[19:29] <odinsbane> So far this switch to jaunty has been the easiest switch for me.
[19:30] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: you only need others if you need the headers
[19:30] <Aleksey_S> and how i can switch to standart kernel?
[19:31] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: because this test kernel has an abi bump, you would use the standard kernel by using 2.6.28-11-generic in the grub menu
[19:31] <Aleksey_S> perfect
[19:31] <Aleksey_S> but grub menu isn't accessible
[19:33] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: by default, the new kernel is the top-most entry
[19:33] <Aleksey_S> yes, i assume it
[19:33] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: the old kernel is the third entrfy
[19:34] <Aleksey_S> and will the old one be second?
[19:34] <Aleksey_S> so third, ok
[19:34] <dtchen> no, the second is 2.6.28-12-generic (recovery mode)
[19:34] <dtchen> the third is 2.6.28-11-generic, which would be the one you want for the "old standard"
[19:34] <Aleksey_S> ok
[19:35] <Aleksey_S> dpkg -i filename - is it all i need to install?
[19:35] <dtchen> yes
[19:35] <Aleksey_S> thanks
[19:35] <Aleksey_S> i am going to try now
[19:44] <cajun> Is anyone else having other drives and partitions not mounting automatically?  After i had a kernel error yesterday, they aren't showing up anymore.
[19:45] <cajun> The error was automatically reported.
[19:46] <hior> After upgradeing to Kubuntu 9.04 i cant connect to MSN with kopete, i get the error:
[19:46] <hior> MSN: Error: basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[19:53] <odinsbane> hior I don't know about kopette but amsn works well.
[19:56] <hior> i use kmess instead, it works, but i like kopete more.
[19:56] <siegie> hior: i had the same issue. I had to manualy edit te config files from kopete.
[19:57] <siegie> the name off the msn protocol is changed into Account_WlmProtocol in the last version off kopete
[19:58] <siegie> you can change that in .kde/share/config/kopeterc or make a clean kopete config
[19:59] <panda_baby> the desktop crashed
[19:59] <panda_baby> what is the command line to get the icons and stuff back
[20:00] <panda_baby> using xfce4 btw
[20:01] <flox> panda_baby: logout from the session, is better
[20:02] <panda_baby> ugh... but isn't there a command line, such as when the panel goes away i just type xfce4-panel into the terminal
[20:02] <flox> xfdesktop4
[20:02] <panda_baby> thank you
[20:02] <panda_baby> cuz i can add that onto tha panel, and keep the one for the panel on the desktop
[20:03] <panda_baby> and then press what is it... F2 to get a box up to run a command?
[20:03] <flox> panda_baby: or xfdesktop short
[20:03] <flox> Alt+F2
[20:05] <Aleksey_S> hi again
[20:06] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: hi
[20:07] <Aleksey_S> no success
[20:07] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: ok, so we can rule out the kernel as the culprit
[20:07] <Aleksey_S> culprit?
[20:08] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: can you prepend pasuspender --  to the espeak invocation?
[20:08] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: e.g., pasuspender -- espeak "hello world 1 2 3 4 5"
[20:08] <Aleksey_S> i don't know, i am using epseak gnome-speech driver
[20:08] <Aleksey_S> ah yes
[20:09] <Aleksey_S> exact that command?
[20:09] <dtchen> ale	yes
[20:09] <dtchen> sorry
[20:09] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: yes
[20:15] <DexterF> hi
[20:15] <DexterF> want to upgrade kub 8.10 to 9.04, there an update-manager yet?
[20:16] <sebsebseb> DexterF: you can upgrade, but
[20:16] <sebsebseb> DexterF: if you want full Ext4 suppourt you need to clean install
[20:16] <DexterF> sebsebseb: tinker VM, deosnt matter
[20:16] <hallowname> hi, when ever i svn anything big (kdebase) my computer locks up. hard. only sysrq is responsive afterwards. tips?
[20:18] <sebsebseb> DexterF: I am not talking about virtual machines
[20:18] <DexterF> sebsebseb: I am :). its a test install in vmware, no need for ext4
[20:19] <sebsebseb> DexterF: maybe not, but you should have done  Ext4 for your test install realy, would have made a lot of sense I think
[20:19] <DexterF> its 8.10. ext4 was no option iirc
[20:19] <td123> hallowname: svning a repo that large is expected to lock up your computer, especially if you are utilizing all your cpus :D
[20:19] <erle->  does anybody use a jaunty system with encrypted disks?
[20:20] <Aleksey_S> back again
[20:20] <td123> I used to use debian with encrypted disks, dunno if that counts
[20:20] <panda_baby> I'm getting upset that i've been working on this for 2 days now, atleast 6 hours just pure working on this, and cannot get this printer setup
[20:20] <panda_baby> all i need is this driver umm... ppd file or something
[20:20] <hallowname> td123: um no. i think it may be an ext4 issue. i svn co kdebase a -lot-.
[20:20] <erle-> td123, my problem is that the jaunty kernel does not boot up
[20:20] <Aleksey_S> dtchen: : no difference
[20:21] <td123> hallowname: do you get the same lock ups on an ext3?
[20:21] <panda_baby> something online says i need this file Lexmark-Z600-lxz600cj-cups.ppd.gz  but i cannot find it anywhere
[20:21] <hallowname> td123: no. i didnt get the lock ups on debian ext4 either. jaunty_a4 's ext4 is iffy i think. did they change the ext4 from a4 to beta?
[20:22] <panda_baby> I'm damn near finishing this install for my GF and her mom, and the only problem is that the printer... all these websites say that it is supported by this driver in cups, but the driver does not seem to be there at all... =(
[20:22] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: did you run the pasuspender -- espeak command from within GNOME?
[20:23] <td123> hallowname: I know that ext4 is still getting its bugs fixed up
[20:24] <td123> the > 2.6.28 kernel versions fix some ext4 issues
[20:24] <td123> I know jaunty only uses 2.6.28 though
[20:24] <Aleksey_S> dtchen: : i tried from gnome terminal as well as from console (alt+ctrl+f1)
[20:24] <hallowname> td123: it would seem. this system lock up when i rm -rf a large number of files too. ill reinstall on the release date. when is that?
[20:24] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: ok, then it's definitely not pulseaudio, thanks.
[20:24] <td123> hallowname: the release candidate is supposed to be out tomarrow
[20:24] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: like and i will look at portaudio (19) and speak in a bit
[20:24] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: sorry, luke* and i
[20:25] <hallowname> td123: u kno when the actual release is scheduled?
[20:25] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: thanks for helping eliminate some testing
[20:25] <td123> hallowname: i think the 26th
[20:25] <Aleksey_S> dtche: : thanks to youn
[20:25] <Aleksey_S> i hope we will succesfully fix it before release
[20:26] <hallowname> td123: thx for ur help
[20:26] <Aleksey_S> do i need coment on the ticket what experiences do i made?
[20:30] <dtchen> Aleksey_S: yes, plesae. i would just mention that we've tried using alsa without pulseaudio and with a new test kernel.
[20:31] <Assid> yooo
[20:35] <unko> hey guys
[20:35] <Assid> so only a couple of days to R-day
[20:35] <unko> since r day is coming upisnt it like...alreay done? or is there still tweaks being done?
[20:36] <Aleksey_S> i think work still in progress
[20:36] <unko> really?
[20:36] <unko> GRR
[20:37] <unko> i wanna upgrade!!! ibex is...well not fun
[20:37] <sebsebseb> unko: what's wrong with ibex?
[20:38] <rafael_> i don't know what disabled my wlan but when i updated (after installing from beta CD) and configured my 3G the wlan connections are no longer showing up
[20:38] <rafael_> any idea why ?
[20:38] <unko> is it safe to install it and use it as my main desktop? i mean can't be that much done in 8 days besides lil tweaks?
[20:39] <Aleksey_S> for me it is pretty stable from alpha 6
[20:39] <rafael_> actually the connections showed up after the update, it was the 3G setup that somehow disabled it :\
[20:39] <rafael_> drivers are working ok
[20:40] <Aleksey_S> take a look onto existing critical bugs targeted to jaunty on launchpad
[20:41] <Aleksey_S> bb all