[00:05] <lajjr> today 9:00 EST.
[00:05] <lajjr> st33med...it is today.
[00:06] <st33med> Yeah, I know
[00:06] <st33med> I almost though
[00:06] <st33med> *thought
[00:06] <st33med> :)
[00:06] <lajjr> all good.
[00:06] <lajjr> welcome to early show lol
[00:14] <st33med> lawl
[00:33] <JanC> Ubuntu US Teams meeting, right?
[00:33] <st33med> yes
[00:33] <st33med> for Ubuntu Members
[00:33] <st33med> recruits that is
[00:39] <lajjr> st33med: can I down load your bot's source code?
[00:40] <st33med> lajjr, it's old, one sec
[00:40] <lajjr> oh ok..
[00:40]  * nhandler looks forward to finally seeing st33mbot
[00:41] <lajjr> oh you have st33mbot's source code??
[00:45] <st33med> I do
[00:45] <st33med> Just compressing it so it is one file on media fire
[00:45] <st33med> give me a few minutes
[00:46] <charlie-tca> JanC: yes, should be at 1:00am utc
[00:46] <charlie-tca> americas board meeting is at 2:00am UTC
[00:50] <st33med> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=eb7399d27c814729d2db6fb9a8902bda lajjr
[00:52] <st33med> Oh, you want to see steambot?
[00:52]  * st33med dusts of robot
[00:52] <st33med> *off
[00:52] <nhandler> Just don't bring him in here ;)
[00:52] <st33med> aww
[00:52] <st33med> He does no harm
[00:53] <lajjr> st33med is that the code to it??
[00:53] <st33med> lajjr, yes
[00:53] <st33med> >.>
[00:53] <st33med> &leave
[00:53] <lajjr> very cool thank you. st33med
[00:54] <st33med> Your welcome
[00:54] <lajjr> just want to check it out code wise.
[00:54] <st33med> he is in ##beginners-help if you wish to toy with him
[00:54] <lajjr> nice..
[00:55] <lajjr> is the bot on all the time??
[00:55] <st33med> not always, it has been awhile since I have launched him
[00:56] <lajjr> very cool congratz on the bot..
[00:56] <st33med> thanks
[00:56] <Hobbsee> is there actually a meeting going on here?
[00:56] <st33med> Not yet
[00:56] <Hobbsee> oh, 4 mins?
[00:57] <st33med> an hour
[00:57] <lajjr> your are very welcome i had a few programmers that code bots just want to see new style of coding and code.
[00:58] <st33med> I threaded it :)
[00:58] <lajjr> from your own code right?
[00:58] <st33med> yes
[00:59] <lajjr> then all good python rocks.
[00:59] <st33med> I borrowed the basic code from an online forum somewhere as a starting position
[00:59] <st33med> It has dramatically changed
[01:00] <Hobbsee> If the meeting starts in an hour, it would be lovely if you could go find another channel until then - many people log this one, so trying to keep it on topic is a good idea
[01:00] <lajjr> ok.
[01:21]  * vantrax waves to bodhi_zazen
[01:21] <st33med> vantrax, no talking, people log this channel, talk elsewhere
[02:01] <valles_> hello
[02:01] <pleia2> hi all
[02:01] <foxbuntu> Hello
[02:01] <nhandler> Hi valles_ and pleia2
[02:01] <MTecknology>  o/
[02:01]  * st33med bows
[02:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[02:01] <pedro_> hello
[02:02] <johnc4510> evening all
[02:02]  * lajjr waves
[02:02]  * dantalizing coughs
[02:03] <MTecknology> nope
[02:04] <pleia2> just waiting on another council member or two, and then we'll get rolling:)
[02:06] <MTecknology> pleia2: waiting on atoponce?
[02:06] <pleia2> MTecknology: we need to have quorum, we don't yet
[02:06] <nhandler> I pinged nixternal and vorian
[02:06] <pleia2> yeah, vorian was just around a half hour ago
[02:06] <nixternal> hola
[02:06] <johnc4510> nixternal: hey
[02:06] <nhandler> :)
[02:07] <pleia2> nixternal: dude, you missed your mentorship approval!
[02:07] <nixternal> heh, I was watching hulu :)
[02:07] <nixternal> groovy
[02:07] <pleia2> except you didnt get approved :)
[02:07] <pleia2> because you werent there
[02:07] <nhandler> Mentorship?
[02:07] <pleia2> nhandler: USTeams
[02:07] <nhandler> Ok
[02:08] <pleia2> alright, that's 4 of us, we can get things going :)
[02:08] <MTecknology> i've been doing that ;)
[02:08] <effie_jayx> pleia2,  yep
[02:08]  * st33med twitches with stress
[02:09]  * bodhi_zazen slaps st33med
[02:09] <pleia2> ok, no hikaricore again, I think I'll drop them an email
[02:09] <pleia2> charlie-tca: you're up!
[02:09] <charlie-tca> I am Charlie Kravetz, from the state of Idaho in the United States. I have been using Ubuntu and Xubuntu since 5.04 came out.
[02:09] <charlie-tca> I am known as charlie-tca on the mailing lists and IRC.
[02:09] <charlie-tca> I am Quality Assurance lead for Xubuntu, which also involves bug triage and testing.
[02:09] <MTecknology> johnc4510: I like working with other loco's :P - even more than my own since I tend to work with established yet unapproved locos
[02:10] <charlie-tca> I test both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on a daily basis, on both hardware and software.
[02:10] <MTecknology> ok - I'll try to get the channels strait - sorry
[02:10] <charlie-tca> I am an active member of ubuntu-bugsquad and bug-control. I think the work I have done in testing and bug triage has helped insure Ubuntu is a quality distribution for the end users.
[02:10] <charlie-tca> I have been mainly involved in Xubuntu for the last year. I will continue working in bug triage, testing, and generally helping out where I am able to.
[02:11] <charlie-tca> I prefer to pass the credit for accomplishments to those I feel better deserve it. It is very difficult to accomplish anything trying to do it alone, so the credit should go to the entire team involved.
[02:11] <charlie-tca> enough?
[02:11] <pleia2> yep
[02:11] <pleia2> looking at your pages now :)
[02:12] <pleia2> great xubuntu work
[02:12] <charlie-tca> thanks
[02:13] <pleia2> charlie-tca: much of your future thoughts had to do with continuing on the same stuff as you're working on now, is there other stuff you'd like to get into?
[02:14] <charlie-tca> I can't do development anymore. I am getting to forgetful, so I think I have to continue with bugs and testign
[02:14] <charlie-tca> I would like to be able to learn more of the triage work, network manager and firefox, in particular
[02:15] <pleia2> impressive amount of karma, well done
[02:16] <effie_jayx> pleia2, votes?
[02:17] <pleia2> sure, I think charlie-tca has done really solid work over the years, it speaks for itself :)
[02:17] <pleia2> +1
[02:17] <effie_jayx> +1 from me too
[02:17] <pedro_> totally +1, keep up the good work charlie-tca
[02:17] <nixternal> +1
[02:18] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: congrats
[02:18] <pleia2> congrats, welcome charlie-tca! :)
[02:18] <nhandler> Congrats charlie-tca !
[02:18] <vantrax> grats charlie-tca
[02:18] <charlie-tca> Thanks. It means an awful lot to me.
[02:18] <pedro_> charlie-tca: welcome aboard  :-)
[02:18] <johnc4510> congrats charlie-tca
[02:18] <lajjr> congratz charlie-tca
[02:18] <nixternal> congrats charlie-tca and welcome!
[02:18] <effie_jayx> charlie-tca, keep up the great work and makle XUBUNTU ROCK harder man
[02:18] <bodhi_zazen> congrates charlie-tca :)
[02:18] <pleia2> now before moving on to the next applicant, Daviey wanted to say a few things before he falls asleep :)
[02:18] <charlie-tca> Thanks to all of you.
[02:18] <Daviey> hey pleia2, thanks
[02:18] <Daviey> I've come to show my support for tgm4883, foxbuntu and rhpot1991.  I know them through their contribution towards ubuntu-mythtv and Mythbuntu.  They've been hard workers, and have showed sustained and continued effort towards the development of Mythtv on Ubuntu.  They've been involved with the project now for around 2 years.  Showing an all-round effort in both bug work, development and user support.
[02:19] <Daviey> These fine chaps are part of the core Mythbuntu team, and i'm suprised they've left it this long to seek memebership.  They really deserve it.  I should also mention that it's 2am for me, as i really wanted to say this in person.
[02:19] <nixternal> Daviey: shouldn't you be in bed?
[02:19] <Daviey> nixternal: i should.. but i care about people.. :)
[02:19] <pleia2> Daviey: thanks for staying up :) says a lot
[02:19] <nixternal> awww, how sweet
[02:19] <Daviey> And now to bed..
[02:19] <nhandler> superm1 also wanted to express his support for the mythtv people
[02:19] <Daviey> nn all
[02:19] <effie_jayx> Daviey, I am sure he will appreciate it
[02:19] <vantrax> that speaks about their commitment, and yours:P
[02:19] <nixternal> g'nite Davieypoo
[02:20] <rhpot1991> night Daviey thanks!
[02:20] <Daviey> xx
[02:20] <tgm4883> night Daviey, thanks
[02:20] <foxbuntu> night Daviey
[02:20] <doctormo> Hello
[02:20] <pleia2> doctormo: you're up!
[02:21] <nixternal> he is in Mass, so it is only 21:21 there :p
[02:21] <nixternal> I think he is still there
[02:21] <pleia2> I meant, it's his turn :)
[02:21] <doctormo> I'm still in Mass, otherwise how could I be leader of ubuntu-us-ma?
[02:21] <doctormo> OK what do you want me to do? introduction?
[02:21] <nixternal> you would be surprised
[02:21] <st33med> Go to church?
[02:21] <pleia2> introduction
[02:22] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinOwens
[02:22]  * nixternal notes that he wants a hat like doctormo
[02:22] <lajjr> like name etc?
[02:22] <doctormo> My name is Martin Owens, I'm from Widnes, UK but now live in Boston, USA via marriage.
[02:22] <MTecknology> I want to say that doctormo helped me get my team going. He also contributed some material that interested a few members into my team
[02:23] <doctormo> I'm a programmer, originally specialised in Perl with a number of cpan modules have moved on towards python development.
[02:23]  * nixternal thanks doctormo for the LP OpenID Django framework
[02:23] <doctormo> I operate a number of projects on launchpad, some LoCo related, some not.
[02:24] <doctormo> As above, I also operate the Ubuntu Massachusetts LoCo team, making sure meeting happen, things are organised and people stick to doing what they say they will do.
[02:24] <doctormo> I'm also currently involved in bringing local Community centers into a Learn to Teach, Teach to learn project. Where FOSS and Ubuntu are taught to students who are then encouraged to teach others.
[02:25] <doctormo> Fixing the oft neglected community center infrastructure and teaching basic systems admin skills to the staff.
[02:25] <effie_jayx> doctormo, good work in the coomunity
[02:25] <johnc4510> doctormo was also the person who organized the case badges for the loco teams
[02:26] <doctormo> I also do a bit of graphics art, for the design of posters (see spread ubuntu) and other fun arts (see deviant art)
[02:26] <doctormo> http://doctormo.deviantart.com/
[02:27] <Technoviking> evening
[02:27] <vorian> case badges!
[02:27] <Technoviking> sorry I'm late
[02:27] <johnc4510> vorian: yes
[02:27] <doctormo> http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/
[02:27] <vorian> johnc4510: i remember will
[02:27] <johnc4510> ah
[02:27] <vorian> that was a very fine effort doctormo
[02:27] <MTecknology> doctormo has been trying to get the badges produced by another company to save costs too
[02:28] <MTecknology> what was that site?
[02:28] <doctormo> MTecknology: ZaReason have taken over production, hopefully they will be ready soon since they've taken delivery already
[02:28] <johnc4510> nice
[02:28] <tgm4883> I feel the need to say that those case badges are sweet and our LoCo team bought a bunch
[02:29] <vorian> +1 from me
[02:29] <doctormo> I worked for Canonical as a QA guy for a short time, I can be opinionated sometimes too.
[02:29] <MTecknology> heh...
[02:29] <effie_jayx> +1
[02:30] <pleia2> +1 from me
[02:30] <MTecknology> I +1 what doctormo said - but +1 his app too :P
[02:30] <pleia2> solid work doctormo :) excellent work with the mass team
[02:30] <nixternal> +1 from me
[02:30] <MTecknology> congrats doctormo
[02:30] <johnc4510> doctormo: w00t  congrats!
[02:30] <doctormo> thank you
[02:30] <nhandler> Congrats doctormo !
[02:30] <nixternal> congrats and welcome doctormo!
[02:30] <charlie-tca> doctormo: Congratulations!
[02:30] <lajjr> Congratz doctormo
[02:30] <doctormo> One step closer to ruling the world! Mwhahah
[02:31] <vantrax> he he he
[02:31] <vantrax> grats doctormo
[02:31] <charlie-tca> One step at a time...
[02:31] <doctormo> Thanks guys, now I can blog into the planet
[02:31] <pleia2> woohoo :)
[02:31] <MTecknology> xq gone..
[02:31] <pleia2> lajjr: you're up!
[02:32] <lajjr> thank you
[02:32] <effie_jayx> doctormo, not yet
[02:32] <lajjr> My name Leo Jackson from Scranton Pa
[02:32] <doctormo> effie_jayx: darn, more red tape! care to PM me?
[02:33] <lajjr> I'm a member of several groups I write software for a living.
[02:33] <effie_jayx> doctormo, no red tape... we have to approve you into launchpad
[02:33] <MTecknology> effie_jayx: I explained it
[02:33] <lajjr> I have been working on kill bus answering questions.
[02:34] <lajjr> I want to help in the killing of bugs more and contribute more.
[02:35] <pedro_> lajjr: in which packages do you tend to do triage?
[02:35] <lajjr> I have put Ubuntu server on my system at my company almost completely converted and just help as much as possible.
[02:35] <lajjr> well I try to help i them all if possible on  server ubuntu i helped a few package some.
[02:36] <lajjr> I work in firefox inkscape general question due to
[02:36] <pleia2> lajjr: why aren't you part of the ubuntu pennsylvania team? :)
[02:36] <lajjr> me trying to give more time to this.
[02:37] <lajjr> I am...
[02:37] <pleia2> hmm, I don't think I've ever seen you around
[02:37] <pleia2> ah, you're on the launchpad team
[02:37] <pleia2> interested in getting involved?
[02:37] <lajjr> sure I would love to..
[02:38] <pleia2> should hang out in our channel :) we're a friendly bunch and really could use some people up toward scranton
[02:39] <lajjr> not a problem I have a small bunch from my company I will get to join to.
[02:39] <pleia2> cool :)
[02:39] <lajjr> about 25 +
[02:39] <lajjr> sorry small i will get others..heh
[02:39] <pleia2> lajjr: I see you've joined a lot of teams... which ones would you say you are primarily active in?
[02:40] <lajjr> beginners to help with question installs etc.
[02:41] <lajjr> help in kernels to check code and security.
[02:41] <pleia2> would you say your work primarily revolves around working within launchpad?
[02:42] <lajjr> yes and no..
[02:42] <pedro_> lajjr: have you ever worked with the security team on the last one (check code and security)?
[02:42] <vorian> huh?
[02:42] <lajjr> I work on ubuntu server on IRC and on gnome project back and forth..
[02:43] <effie_jayx> lajjr, what teams do you actively participate in the community. or you mainly do your contirbutions on your own
[02:43] <nixternal> lajjr: I notice you state on your wiki page that you want to become a core developer...are you planning on joining the ubuntu-universe-contributors team, work towards MOTU, or anything packaging related? I see you are on the Ruby Packagers team, have you packaged anything for them yet?
[02:43] <effie_jayx> ?
[02:43] <lajjr> not that one I had an engagement to go to..
[02:44] <lajjr> yep on launch pad I have two project I'm going to package for revu and I will start kitting more..
[02:44] <ScottK> lajjr: I'm pretty active on #ubuntu-server and I don't rember you.  What have you been doing for Ubuntu Server?
[02:44] <lajjr> well effie_jayx  I try to contribute where I find needs.
[02:45] <effie_jayx> lajjr, right
[02:45] <lajjr> answered some questions and was helping with a few people with install after they found that they downloaded the wrong version..heh
[02:46] <vorian> lajjr: what i see is a person from "your" LoCo, and a very active Server team developer say they havent heard of you.  Why is that?
[02:47] <lajjr> well I have been developing for my company I am starting more on the whole thing..
[02:48] <lajjr> I have company that I wanted to make right before I do wrong to others..
[02:48] <vorian> lajjr: i think you need to get to know these folks a little better.  Ubuntu membership is about being a part of the community as a whole.
[02:48] <vorian> Spend some time on irc with your loco team
[02:48] <lajjr> get all the code and everything else rolling..
[02:49] <vorian> or mailing lists.  Submit some patches, things like that
[02:49] <lajjr> I will not a problem.
[02:49] <Bamojr> vorian: sometimes hanging out in your LoCo Irc is lonely ;)
[02:49] <vantrax> lol
[02:49] <lajjr> heh
[02:50] <Bamojr> lets party in wv room
[02:50] <Bamojr> te he
[02:50] <pleia2> lajjr: and I think you want to more specifically document your work on your wiki, you have joined a lot of teams but it's hard to pinpoint precisely what work you've done beside questions and bugs
[02:50] <effie_jayx> I agree with pleia2
[02:50] <lajjr> ok I will change and add links..
[02:51] <pleia2> and don't say you're part of the Penn LoCo when you've never contributed :)
[02:51] <lajjr> WOW...
[02:52] <Bamojr> *crickets*
[02:52] <vantrax> *butterflies*
[02:53] <MTecknology> what's going on in here?
[02:53] <st33med> *ladybugs*
[02:53] <effie_jayx> lajjr, well it would be cool to have you back in a couple of months
[02:53] <vorian> please stop with the commentary
[02:53] <pleia2> lajjr: I think you're on a great track with questions and bugs :) please keep up the great work
[02:53] <MTecknology> lajjr: if you enjoy bugs, try to get into the bug control team
[02:54] <nixternal> lajjr: at this time I would have to say I would like to see more contributions out of you...especially with the amount of teams you belong to and say you want to code and patch, but I can't find any traces of each right now...your answer tracking on LP, AWESOME! keep that up...get some people to endorse you and come back..that is my recommendation..you are definitely on your way
[02:54] <nixternal> I hope that didn't get cut off
[02:54] <MTecknology> lajjr: it's usually pretty easy to contribute to loco's too
[02:54] <nhandler> nixternal: It went through
[02:54] <nixternal> groovy
[02:55] <lajjr> or no problem now that I have the system down some I will.
[02:55] <vorian> great!
[02:55] <MTecknology> lajjr: good luck
[02:55] <vorian> we look forward to seeing you again soon
[02:55] <nixternal> my vote at this time will be a -1 and want to say I would like you to come back in about a month with endorsements, hang out with the PA LoCo, and if you want to get into packaging, #ubuntu-motu :)  Good work thus far!
[02:56] <lajjr> ok thanks..will do.
[02:56] <nixternal> lajjr: vorian is a ruby freak too, and an insane packaging guru, so he is always open to offer some help
[02:56] <pleia2> foxbuntu: your turn! :)
[02:56]  * vorian nods
[02:56] <foxbuntu> pleia2, ah caught me a off guard, here goes
[02:56] <foxbuntu> I am Nick Fox. I have been using Ubuntu since 6.04 and working on the Mythbuntu project since the 7.04 development cycle. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NickFox )
[02:56] <vorian> wait, isn't tgm4883 next?
[02:56] <nixternal> hehe
[02:57] <foxbuntu> should I wait?
[02:57]  * tgm4883 hopes it wasn't an intential skip
[02:57] <pleia2> oh
[02:57] <foxbuntu> I think tgm4883 wants his turn :)
[02:57] <pleia2> I didn't see you there tgm4883!
[02:57] <pleia2> sorry :)
[02:57] <tgm4883> thats alright
[02:57] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, can finish since he started
[02:57] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[02:57] <nixternal> ya, it should be really quick for foxbuntu
[02:57] <foxbuntu> In my time working on the Mythbuntu project as a core dev, I have helped to support, improve upon, and generate new code in an effort to make the user experience better and management of the MythTV and Ubuntu based systems easier.
[02:58] <foxbuntu> I have also made an effort to triage and repair bugs when possible. When my code contribution time becomes limited I still try to make time to support users in the Mythbuntu IRC user channel.
[02:58] <foxbuntu> I also make a continuing effort to support the community in ways to help promote bringing new users into the Ubuntu community. I believe so highly in the community and its efforts, that I have "put my money where my mouth is" (so to speak). I incorporated Fox Media Systems, LLC in late 2007 and began a long process to invest time and money into a dedicated, ready to use Mythbuntu based Personal Video Recorder.
[02:58] <pleia2> hurrah mythbuntu :)
[02:58] <foxbuntu> indeed
[02:59] <foxbuntu> she is my mistress, at least thats what my wife thinks
[02:59] <foxbuntu> :)
[02:59] <pleia2> lol
[03:00] <pleia2> foxbuntu: future plans?
[03:00] <nixternal> foxbuntu: did you and mario hang out when he used to frequent Iowa?
[03:00] <foxbuntu> nixternal, I went to ISU with mario
[03:00] <nixternal> that's what I thought, I have seen the pictures :D
[03:00] <foxbuntu> pleia2, tons, I want to get into MOTU and also start learning about and working more with the kernel
[03:01] <pleia2> cool
[03:01] <nixternal> how come you waited so long to go for Ubuntu membership? Are you planning on going for MOTU and/or Core Dev?
[03:01] <foxbuntu> nixternal, oh my, the pictures
[03:01] <nixternal> hehe
[03:02] <vorian> +1 from me, excellent work
[03:02] <foxbuntu> nixternal, honestly, I didnt think I was qualified until I sat down and looked at my work over the last few years, and yes, I want to get into MOTU and perhaps even core dev
[03:02] <nixternal> just so everyone knows in here....I AM STARVING!  MootBot make a note of that please
[03:02] <nixternal> lol, over the last few years....
[03:02] <nixternal> groovy foxbuntu
[03:02] <nixternal> +1 from me
[03:02] <Technoviking> +1 here, great work
[03:02] <pleia2> +1 from me, fantastic work :)
[03:02] <pedro_> +1 as well
[03:03] <nhandler> Congrats foxbuntu
[03:03] <foxbuntu> Thanks everyone
[03:03] <vantrax> grats foxbuntu
[03:03] <nixternal> congrats and welcome foxbuntu
[03:03] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:03] <charlie-tca> foxbuntu: Congratulations
[03:03] <tgm4883> gj foxbuntu
[03:03] <vantrax> btw the mythbuntu personal video recorder... did it get finished?
[03:03] <pleia2> congrats, welcome foxbuntu :)
[03:03] <pleia2> tgm4883: ok, you can go now :)
[03:03] <vorian> congrats foxbuntu :)
[03:03] <foxbuntu> now your all in for some real trouble with me hanging around ;)
[03:03] <tgm4883> I'm Thomas Mashos, Mythbuntu developer and been using Ubuntu since Edgy.  tgm4883 on IRC and the forums.  Recently I'm more active on IRC in the #ubuntu-mythtv support channel, although have been pretty active on the forums in the past.  It seems now I mostly just work with Mythbuntu on getting MythTV related things packaged and into the repos, failing that I stick them in a PPA.  I'm also working with some other developers help
[03:03] <tgm4883> ing them package their software for inclusion in the Ubuntu repos.  I run the development version of Ubuntu (stable on the rest of my machines) in the hopes of finding bugs early enough that they can be fixed before Final release.
[03:04] <tgm4883> whoa that was longer than I thought
[03:04] <pleia2> :)
[03:04] <nixternal> hehe
[03:04] <MTecknology> tgm4883: how often do you file and follow bug reports from ubuntu+1?
[03:05] <tgm4883> more often than not, I go to file a bug, and it's already been filed
[03:05] <nixternal> need to speed up your crash times then :p
[03:06] <vorian> tgm4883: what are your plans for the future? any branching out?
[03:06] <nixternal> tgm4883: why did you wait so long for ubuntu membership? plans for motu and/or core dev?
[03:06] <tgm4883> also, I usually do testing on the dev versions of mythbuntu, and fix bugs there without filing the reports.  This is the earliest i've run dev ubuntu on a regular machine (non vm)
[03:07] <tgm4883> In the future, I'd like to become a MOTU, and go to UDS.
[03:07] <doctormo> tgm4883: you don't need to be a MOTU to go to UDS
[03:07] <vorian> great stuff
[03:07] <tgm4883> even though superm1 urged me to apply for membership around 8.04 dev cycle, I didn't feel my contributions were quite there yet
[03:08] <MTecknology> doctormo: I think that was two different statements
[03:08] <vorian> +1 from me
[03:08] <nixternal> +1 from me
[03:08] <MTecknology> congrats tgm4883
[03:08] <tgm4883> doctormo, while this is true, I just (in december) graduated from college, and UDS was finals week
[03:08] <tgm4883> so it was UDS or diploma
[03:08]  * foxbuntu is considering the 9.10 UDS
[03:08] <pleia2> bah, diplomas :)
[03:08] <vantrax> grats on the diploma
[03:08] <tgm4883> thanks
[03:09] <doctormo> foxbuntu: It's in spain, I can't leave to us until Julyish :-(
[03:09] <doctormo> s/to us/The USA/
[03:09] <foxbuntu> doctormo, travel is not an issue for me
[03:09]  * doctormo demands the use of foxbuntu's teleporter
[03:09] <foxbuntu> haha
[03:09] <tgm4883> 9.04 UDS pained me too, as it was about an 8 hour drive and probably the closest that UDS will get to me
[03:09] <pleia2> awesome myth work, tgm4883! +1 from me
[03:09] <pedro_> a +1 from here
[03:09] <foxbuntu> ok ok, nuf chat
[03:09] <nixternal> there we go.....
[03:09] <effie_jayx> +1 from me too
[03:09] <Technoviking> +1 here
[03:10] <nixternal> congrags and welcome tgm4883
[03:10] <nhandler> Congrats tgm4883 !
[03:10] <pleia2> congrats tgm4883, welcome
[03:10] <tgm4883> thanks
[03:10] <foxbuntu> congrats tgm4883
[03:10] <vorian> welcome and congrats tgm4883
[03:10] <charlie-tca> tgm4883: Congratulations
[03:10] <doctormo> Congratulations tgm4883, foxbuntu
[03:10] <MTecknology> vantrax: hello :)
[03:10] <vantrax> My name is Matthew Lye, I'm 24 year old IT Support monkey from Brisbane Australia.
[03:10] <vantrax> I work on developing Ubuntu images for large scale education environments. I've been using Ubuntu since Mid 07. I am a member of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team and the Unanswered Posts team. I am particularly proud of the work as part of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team Education and IRC help groups.
[03:10] <vantrax> I prepare tutorials and teaching materials for the Beginners Team to use to help new users understand linux and preform complex tasks. I have started to migrate website of tutorials and lessons which will be obviously be more useful to the community in the Wiki. I am currently focused on helping new users and Ubuntu for education environments, and eventually hope to contribute in improving the user experience of Ubuntu.
[03:10] <vantrax> My wiki page if you have not seen it can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Vantrax
[03:11] <vantrax> triage so that I can assist in getting the bugs that the new users I've been helping find to people who can solve the problems for them.
[03:11] <vantrax> whoops missed a line
[03:11] <vantrax> For the future I've recently asked Rocket2DMn to help me learn to triage so that I can assist in getting the bugs that the new users I've been helping find to people who can solve the problems for them.
[03:12] <nixternal> vantrax: why in the world would you join the "Vorian Huggers" team? :p
[03:12]  * nixternal notes he just joined it
[03:12] <pleia2> haha
[03:12] <vantrax> blame nhandler for that one
[03:12] <nhandler> ???
[03:12] <nixternal> vantrax: ahhhh, should have figured nhandler was behind it all!
[03:12] <vorian> HAHA
[03:12] <vantrax> he he he
[03:12] <nhandler> vantrax: robbmunson made it, not me
[03:12] <vantrax> true
[03:13] <vantrax> where has he been lately anyway
[03:14] <nixternal> vantrax: what are you plans for the future?
[03:15] <vantrax> short term, learn to triage. Long term id like to work with improving the new user experience of Ubuntu and work on making Ubuntu a attractive option for enterprise environments
[03:16] <nixternal> groovy, and I see you want to document too :)
[03:16] <vantrax> Unfortunately its easier to manage 1000 Window boxes than 1000 Ubuntu ones
[03:16] <nixternal> says who?
[03:16] <doctormo> vantrax: Have you been involved with PXE or Imaging via networks?
[03:16] <effie_jayx> w00t
[03:16] <vantrax> doctormo, tons of it
[03:16] <doctormo> vantrax: we should talk off channel
[03:16] <vantrax> where i work we support 6000 machines on this campus alone
[03:16] <nixternal> you gave me 1000 windows box, the only thing I would manage is to setup pxe and jaunty :p
[03:16] <vantrax> another 8000 total across 5 campuses
[03:16] <vantrax> nixternal, lol
[03:16] <vantrax> i wis
[03:16] <vantrax> h
[03:17] <nixternal> ya, you said "campus" so I know what you are talking about
[03:17] <pedro_> vantrax: btw you're welcome to join #ubuntu-bugs at anytime and ask for help on triage bugs if you haven't yet
[03:17] <vantrax> I work in a big university
[03:17] <nixternal> though I managed to switch the local campus from Novell to...umm, Novell
[03:17] <nixternal> though they went from Windows to Linux at least :)
[03:17] <vantrax> pedro_, im in ubuntu-bug right now
[03:17] <vantrax> nixternal, we have a significant linux presence, and its increasing steadily along with mac
[03:18] <nixternal> groovy
[03:18] <pedro_> vantrax: yeah in announce, not in "ubuntu-bugs" ;-)
[03:18] <vantrax> each hold about 10-15% of the fleet now
[03:18] <vantrax> pedro_, oh:p whoops
[03:18] <nixternal> +1 from me
[03:18] <nhandler> I would just like to mention that vantrax has really made some substantial contributions to the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team Education group.
[03:19] <pleia2> +1 from me, excellent work, great testimonials!
[03:19] <vantrax> Bodhi_Zazen wanted to as well, but he had to head home to the kids
[03:19] <pleia2> ooh good, vantrax going to do a classroom presentation at some point? :)
[03:19] <vorian> +1
[03:19] <vantrax> several:P
[03:19] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:19] <pleia2> woohoo!
[03:19] <Technoviking> +1 from me, great work
[03:19] <vantrax> we have a meeting tomorrow to organise a few
[03:19] <nhandler> vantrax: I thought it was on Saturday?
[03:19] <pedro_> yeap +1, keep up the good work
[03:19] <pleia2> vantrax: cool, nudge me when you do? I coordinate the schedule
[03:19] <vantrax> thats tomorrow for me nhandler
[03:20] <nixternal> congrats and welcome vantrax
[03:20] <vantrax> will do
[03:20] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:20] <nhandler> pleia2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Meetings
[03:20] <vorian> welcome vantrax
[03:20] <nhandler> And congrats vantrax
[03:20] <pleia2> nhandler: ah, thanks :)
[03:20] <vantrax> thanks
[03:20] <charlie-tca> vantrax: Congratulations
[03:20] <vantrax> nhandler, thanks, i was lookin for that
[03:21] <pleia2> rhpot1991: you're up
[03:21] <rhpot1991> Hello, I am John Baab, I live in Harrisburg PA.  I have been using Ubuntu as my primary OS since I made the switch after graduation college in 2004.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I am known as rhpot1991 on freenode irc, launchpad, and ubuntuforums.org.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I use my personal email address (listed on the wiki) on Mythbuntu and MythTV mailing lists, as well as for direct communications with users.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I am an active member of the Mythbuntu development team (for the last 2 years or so), helping out with bugs when I can.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> I am upstream and packager for MythExport where most of my free time is donated to.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> My main reason I do FOSS development is to give something to the community thus filling a gap which I don't feel my (paying) job fills, users have a direct method of communicating with me and often new features in MythExport are ones that users requested.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> Friends often joke about all of my unpayed jobs.
[03:21] <rhpot1991> In the future I plan on continuing my work with Mythbuntu and MythExport, and I would like to visit UDS when it is back in USA again.
[03:23] <vorian> rhpot1991: why do you love mythbuntu as much as you do?
[03:23] <vorian> :)
[03:23] <rhpot1991> vorian: freedom, also I'm known to fight with comcast on occasion :)
[03:23] <vorian> good enough for me
[03:24] <foxbuntu> can I +1 rhpot1991 here? ;)
[03:24] <vorian> sure
[03:24] <vorian> anyone else want to cheer for rhpot1991?
[03:24]  * tgm4883 starts the wave for rhpot1991
[03:24] <nixternal> this is attack of the mythbuntuerererererers
[03:24] <pleia2> ooh, you're in PA :)
[03:25] <rhpot1991> pleia2: already noted that I need to join :)
[03:25] <pleia2> hehe
[03:25] <nixternal> hey, why do all of the mythbuntu people have numbers after there name? if I missed a question/answer to that, just tell me to scroll up
[03:25] <foxbuntu> nixternal, I dont
[03:25] <tgm4883> nixternal, foxbuntu doesn't
[03:25] <vorian> haha
[03:25] <tgm4883> unless u is now a number?
[03:25] <nixternal> ok, just one of you
[03:25] <Daviey> *yawn* I don't
[03:25] <nhandler> superm1 has it too
[03:25] <vorian> puts ?u
[03:25] <nixternal> Daviey: GO TO BED!
[03:25] <pleia2> rhpot1991: what does 1991 mean? :)
[03:26] <nixternal> haha, that was the 2nd question
[03:26]  * rhpot1991 is embarrased to say :)
[03:26] <tgm4883> pleia2, ask what rhpot means
[03:26] <vorian> for the record
[03:26] <vorian> >> puts ?u
[03:26] <vorian> 117
[03:26] <rhpot1991> rhpot1991 == robin hood price of theives, came out in 1991
[03:26] <pleia2> haha, awesome
[03:26] <vorian> +1 from me
[03:26] <effie_jayx> +1 from me too
[03:26] <nixternal> ROFL!!!
[03:27] <vorian> pleia2: told ya
[03:27] <pleia2> +1 from me, excellent work :)
[03:27] <foxbuntu> YAY!
[03:27] <nixternal> +1 just on what the name means alone
[03:27] <nhandler> Congratulations rhpot1991
[03:27] <rhpot1991> heh thanks guys!
[03:27] <pleia2> nixternal: haha
[03:27] <Technoviking> +1 here woot
[03:27] <charlie-tca> rhpot1991:  Congratulations. Great name
[03:27] <MTecknology> st33med: you gonna make it too?
[03:27] <st33med> yes
[03:27] <foxbuntu> congrats rhpot1991
[03:27] <pleia2> congrats rhpot1991 :)
[03:27] <nixternal> Congrats and welcome rhpot1991 !!!
[03:27] <rhpot1991> pleia2: I just joined the LoCo on LP :)
[03:27] <st33med> I've stayed way past my bedtime for this
[03:27] <st33med> DEDICATION
[03:28] <pleia2> st33med: you're up!
[03:28] <st33med> Alright
[03:28] <st33med> Hi, my name is Andrew.  I am a member of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team and have been for about two and a half years.  I participate frequently on IRC and help out when I can in Ubuntu Forums.  I have taught Python classes as part of this team's Education and Mentoring group. As an Ubuntu Member, I will promise to uphold the forum rules and continue to hold programming classes ASAP.
[03:28] <vantrax> im impressed actually, ill bet hes in bed with his laptop...
[03:28] <nixternal> lol
[03:28] <st33med> vantrax, shhhhhhhh!
[03:28] <nixternal> it is a bot
[03:29] <st33med> I have also created a bot from Python
[03:29] <st33med> from scratch, no supybot package
[03:29] <nixternal> 10:30PM and that is past your bedtime?!?!? :)
[03:29] <st33med> nixternal, I have school >.>
[03:29]  * nixternal notes that he loves Manassas, VA
[03:29] <vorian> yes, thanks for reminding me
[03:30] <nhandler> I would like to say that st33med is a long time member of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team. He is very devoted and is always willing to help out users with questions both on IRC and on the forums
[03:30] <vantrax> I actually have to head off, but id like to not the success and professionalism of the courses that st33med has run for the Ubuntu Forums Education Team and the contributions he has made helping people in IRC
[03:30] <vantrax> *note
[03:30] <vorian> st33med: what plans do you have for the future?
[03:31] <st33med> vorian, I plan on trying to triage more in LP and see if I can be a developer for some packages
[03:31] <st33med> Maybe you can teach me the ropes
[03:31] <st33med> ;)
[03:31] <vorian> sure, anytime
[03:32] <ScottK> Well we're right in the middle of trying to convert over to Python 2.6 in Jaunty, so now's a good time to show up and help ...
[03:32] <vorian> st33med: /j #ubuntu-motu :)
[03:32] <st33med> I can try
[03:32] <vorian> (#kubuntu-devel is fun too)
[03:33] <vorian> I'm good
[03:33] <nixternal> ya, setup offlineimap for python 2.6..silly ssl is killing me
[03:33] <st33med> I am not that experienced with some of the python packages yet
[03:34] <st33med> But, I can help
[03:34] <vorian> anyone here to cheer for st33med?
[03:34]  * nhandler already did
[03:34]  * Daisuke_Ido cheers
[03:34] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu needs developers, too
[03:34]  * emma cheers++
[03:34] <JanC> st33med: I think many python packages just need need "python (<< 2.6)" dependencies changed to something sensible  ;)
[03:34] <vorian> st33med: just ask for help when you join, someone will point you in the right direction
[03:34] <effie_jayx> st33med, what have been the challenges for you when it comes to your contribution to ubuntu as a project?
[03:35] <emma> I would not know anything about Python if not for st33med's extremely well done classes through the Beginners team.
[03:35] <emma> He's a wonderful instructor.
[03:35] <ScottK> JanC: Many of those just need to be rebuilt.  It's testing if that's enough that takes the time.
[03:35] <st33med> Well, I learned python old classes and needed to relearn new style clasess...
[03:35] <st33med> It was hard trying to teach in a live chat room
[03:36] <st33med> but I pulled through it
[03:36] <nixternal> I hear you there, I did an IRC class 3 years ago on IRC...figure the odds
[03:36] <pleia2> yay for more classroom stuff :)
[03:37] <nixternal> uh oh, what do you want greg-g?
[03:37] <st33med> Uh, votes?
[03:37] <nixternal> hehe
[03:37] <MTecknology> lol
[03:37] <greg-g> hmm, yeah, I want to be voted for again.
[03:38] <greg-g> for membership, that is.
[03:38] <st33med> greg-g, no, for me XD
[03:38] <pleia2> st33med: great work :) +1 from me
[03:38] <nixternal> st33med: +1 from me
[03:38] <vorian> +1 from me
[03:38] <MTecknology> greg-g: -1
[03:38] <nixternal> greg-g: -1 from me
[03:38] <st33med> haha
[03:38] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:38]  * nixternal loves greg-g so +1 from me
[03:38] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:38] <st33med> greg-g, -pi
[03:38] <Technoviking> +1
[03:39] <greg-g> is the meeting still going on? don't let me interrupt (I honestly didn't know)
[03:39] <nhandler> Congratulations st33med !
[03:39] <pleia2> st33med: congrats! welcome :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> nixternal: but would you give me a +1?
[03:39] <charlie-tca> st33med: Congratulations.
[03:39] <nixternal> wth
[03:39] <greg-g> congrats st33med !
[03:39] <st33med> greg-g, it is just over
[03:39] <nhandler> greg-g: It is almost over
[03:39] <st33med> thanks!
[03:39] <nixternal> ajmitch: I would always give you a +1!!!
[03:39] <emma> Congratulations st33med !!! ♥
[03:39] <emma> *hugs* st33med :)
[03:39] <MTecknology> You guys that got approved for support... I'm trying to burn an avi to a dvd with brasero - but I'm getting the error "It is not possible to write with the current set of plugins"
[03:39] <nixternal> hrmm, my script broke on st33med's name
[03:39]  * Daisuke_Ido ^5s st33med
[03:39] <nixternal> congrats and welcome st33med
[03:39] <st33med> And now I can hide this embarrassing comcast ip
[03:39] <st33med> nixternal, script?
[03:40] <nixternal> Congrats and welcome !!!
[03:40] <nixternal> that one
[03:40] <nixternal> you broke it! :)
[03:40] <vantrax> st33med, ping pricey about that
[03:40] <nixternal> is that is for tonight?
[03:40] <MTecknology> st33med: wait till you're a member to ping though
[03:40] <vorian> Pricey:
[03:40] <nixternal> we get everyone? I can go eat now?
[03:40] <st33med> Pricey,
[03:40] <vorian> nixternal: yep, we're done
[03:40] <nixternal> yeeeeehaw
[03:40]  * nixternal goes and eats
[03:40] <st33med> We'll keep pinging him till I pass out from tiredness
[03:41]  * vantrax is munching on wedges atm
[03:41] <nhandler> Congrats once again to all of the new members
[03:41] <pleia2> st33med: alternatively, join #ubuntu-irc and ask :)
[03:41] <greg-g> congrats all new members!
[03:41] <vantrax> ^.^
[03:41] <charlie-tca> MTecknology: use k3b
[03:41] <st33med> Yeah, I'll do that later
[03:41] <MTecknology> st33med: it won't happen until you're in the ubuntumembers team
[03:41] <st33med> I am tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrredddddddddd
[03:41] <pleia2> MTecknology: he is :)
[03:41] <MTecknology> pleia2: already?
[03:41] <pleia2> yes
[03:41] <st33med> MTecknology, where have you been?
[03:41] <pleia2> haha
[03:41] <MTecknology> pleia2: you guys are fast this tim
[03:42] <MTecknology> e
[03:42] <st33med> Only one person took a lot of time
[03:42] <MTecknology> it took a day or two for me :P
[03:42] <st33med> Yay, email
[03:43] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: I'll try k3b
[03:43] <MTecknology> it took just about a week for my email to start :P
[03:43] <charlie-tca> I haven't gotten a dvd to burn right yet in brasero
[03:43] <st33med> charlie-tca, try k3b
[03:43] <st33med> love it
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[03:43] <st33med> night all
[03:44] <vorian> try k*
[03:45] <st33med> Also, my cloak won't be applied until I request it to be, right?
[03:46] <nhandler> Correct st33med
[03:46] <st33med> Coolio
[03:56] <PupUserecb945> yo
[14:59]  * lool waves
[15:00] <dendrobates> o/
[15:00] <slangasek> morning
[15:00] <robbiew> o/
[15:01] <fader> Howdy
[15:01] <pitti> hello
[15:01] <slangasek> cjwatson, davidm, Riddell, sbeattie, mdz, Hobbsee, ScottK: ping
[15:02] <cjwatson> pong
[15:02] <ScottK> o/
[15:02] <sbeattie> hey
[15:02] <mdz> slangasek: in meeting, will only be lurking
[15:02] <heno> hello
[15:02] <slangasek> mdz: ack
[15:03] <davidm> slangasek, I'm here as is lool
[15:03] <slangasek> ok - sounds like quorum :)
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:03. The chair is slangasek.
[15:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:03]  * pgraner_ waves
[15:03] <slangasek> [LINK] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-06
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-03-06
[15:03]  * davidbarth waves
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions
[15:04] <slangasek> just a couple of these from last time that I don't know the current status of
[15:04] <slangasek> rtg: is everything on track regarding ATI kernel patches?
[15:05]  * Riddell not here
[15:05] <slangasek> Riddell: ok
[15:05] <rtg> slangasek: on track? Its still in progress. Bryce sent a preliminary last week.
[15:05] <rtg> the patches look ok, but have not been released
[15:06] <slangasek> ok; are we holding off for official release before making images available?
[15:06] <rtg> pretty much
[15:06] <slangasek> are they confirmed to apply ok to our kernel and not break the build?
[15:06] <rtg> in fact, I think they are due to be released today, though I've not built them
[15:06] <slangasek> ok
[15:07] <slangasek> pitti: computer-janitor - I think the "follow up" is done, because I see it's installed now by ubuntu-desktop?
[15:07] <pitti> right, done
[15:07] <slangasek> ok, great
[15:07] <cjwatson> (yay)
[15:08] <slangasek> last outstanding action is mine - following up on bug #88746
[15:08] <slangasek> that's going to require me to spend a little "face-time" with the bug, since it's basically a question of triaging a metabug
[15:09] <slangasek> but I'll try to take care of that next week
[15:09] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA team
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team
[15:09] <slangasek> heno, fader, sbeattie: heya
[15:09] <sbeattie> hey
[15:09] <fader> Hey
[15:09] <heno> hi
[15:09] <sbeattie> Bug 324215: already fixed in checkbox 0.5 upload, but didn't get auto-closed.
[15:10] <slangasek> ok, great!
[15:10] <fader> Hardware certification: all the servers are up and running tests now modulo a few with issues (that have RT tickets filed and being worked on).  I'll be in Montreal next week working with the team there to get manual testing ready for laptops for the alpha release.
[15:11] <fader> Oh, and I hope to have VMWare testing running by today if all goes according to plan.
[15:11] <slangasek> fader sent out an email pointing to a current hardware test report for our public hardware, for which I'll enthusiastically repaste the link here:
[15:11] <slangasek> [LINK] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[15:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[15:11] <heno> \o/
[15:11] <fader> slangasek: thanks
[15:12] <slangasek> fader: is that VMware ESX?
[15:12] <fader> slangasek: Yes, ESX.
[15:12] <slangasek> whee, so we'll be able to get some feedback on the ESX SRU bug finally? :)
[15:13] <sbeattie> slangasek: err, which bug is that?
[15:13] <fader> Hopefully... Let me make sure I get the tests running on it before I promise usable results. ;)
[15:13] <slangasek> sbeattie: don't have it to hand, will dig it up for you after the meeting
[15:13] <sbeattie> slangasek: okay
[15:13] <heno> FYI, we can do manual testing on ESX now, ful automation will need some work
[15:13] <slangasek> ok
[15:14] <heno> finally Brian has been working on a fixed bug report: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html
[15:14] <slangasek> [LINK] fixed bug report:               http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html
[15:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  fixed bug report:               http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/jaunty-fixes-report.html
[15:15] <slangasek> saw that on planet, looks nice :)
[15:15] <heno> That only covers bugs listed as fixed on the -changes list ATM
[15:15] <cjwatson> how often does it update?
[15:15] <cjwatson> I think it's fine for it only to cover -changes, personally?
[15:16] <heno> not sure, last update was Wednesday
[15:16] <heno> I expect they will be updated daily
[15:17] <slangasek> heno: what's the overall sense of release bugginess, and whether we're on-track for release in that respect?
[15:17] <cjwatson> (I asked because it hasn't updated since I checked it yesterday morning ;-) )
[15:17] <cjwatson> I noticed that we are still well behind our fix numbers for intrepid
[15:17] <pitti> I agree that just covering -changes is sufficient; closing bugs without package uploads is great clean-up and triage, but most probably not our bug fixing
[15:17] <cjwatson> this is a bit disappointing since I'd hoped we would be doing significantly better this release
[15:18] <cjwatson> does anyone have any idea of where intrepid was at the same point in the cycle?
[15:18] <pitti> no :(, just wanted to ask
[15:19] <cjwatson> it would perhaps be interesting to get that figure, e.g. by counting intrepid-changes only up to now - 6 months
[15:19] <cjwatson> I suppose the intrepid-changes stats also cover SRUs
[15:19] <heno> slangasek: nothing that worries us at the moment - the more frequent HW testing we are now seeing should gives up a better picture
[15:20] <heno> I still want to dig into sound issues again though
[15:20] <slangasek> ok, that's good - I look forward to having that testing input
[15:20] <heno> that's all from QA
[15:21] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[15:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop team
[15:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team
[15:21] <pitti> as usual, desktop status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:21] <pitti> today I went through all the milestoned bugs and ensured that all of them have proper assignees
[15:21] <slangasek> [LINK] Desktop team status https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  Desktop team status https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:21] <pitti> (not just the desktop ones)
[15:21] <pitti> I also went through the jaunty-targetted bugs to check for desktop-ish things which fell through the cracks, b
[15:21] <pitti> ut nothing too worrying for now.
[15:21] <pitti> by now, most (6/11) RC bugs on the report are X.org driver problems; debugging and triaging is going on, but t
[15:21] <pitti> hey are intrinsically hard with us not having any driver developer, so we can only rely on upstream's support
[15:21] <pitti> aside from that, desktop front has settled down now, we just want to concentrate on fixing bugs now
[15:22] <pitti> on the "new gdm" issue, I updated DK and DK-P in jaunty today, and plan to look into ppa-packaging the new gpm over the weekend
[15:23] <slangasek> bug #304871> "hard problem" - do we think that's going to have to end up a release-noted regression, or is there community developers supporting this that we can work with?
[15:23] <pitti> slangasek: no community developers so far; I asked bryce whether we can auto-transition to vesa on those models at least, or perhaps even resurrect -i810 for those models
[15:23] <pitti> but he's not awake yet
[15:24] <pitti> -vesa would still be better than breaking completely, at least
[15:24] <slangasek> I've seen good progress on 320632, do you know if tseliot is planning to upload to jaunty any time soon?
[15:24] <pitti> but in that case it should be release-note'd
[15:25] <pitti> slangasek: he did already
[15:25] <pitti> slangasek: but one reporter reopened it, apparently it still doesn't work everywhere
[15:25] <slangasek> I had mentioned resurrecting i810 before to bryce and he gave me a funny look. :)
[15:25] <slangasek> pitti: ah, ok - will have a look at my bug mail on that later this morning then
[15:25]  * ScottK has an 845 running Dapper he'd hoped to upgrade ....
[15:26] <pitti> ScottK: hardy should still be working?
[15:26] <pitti> I mean, it was confirmed to work on intrepid stilil
[15:27] <pitti> "still"
[15:27] <slangasek> 305790> I think part of the problem isn't just getting it building with OpenJDK, there seems to be no end to the recursive dependencies being pulled in by OOo.  Do we need to do some analysis of the build-dep graph and try to find somewhere we can do a bit of surgery?
[15:27] <ScottK> Yes, but I'd hoped to get to the current release.
[15:28] <slangasek> fwiw, now that I know 328035 is my bug (as well as mdz's) and that it's heap corruption, I'm going to dare to try running my X under valgrind for a bit to see what happens :)
[15:29] <pitti> slangasek: right, I'm not at all willing to get maven and it's long dep tail into main
[15:29] <mdz> slangasek: I was not brave enough to try that
[15:29] <lool> What will happen is extreme slowness   :-P
[15:29] <slangasek> mdz: I just trippled my RAM the other week, time to be daring :)
[15:29] <mdz> slangasek: we might have better luck bisecting
[15:29] <slangasek> ah, there is that
[15:30] <slangasek> I'll talk to bryce when he's awake
[15:30] <cjwatson> bisecting server+drivers has been painful IME
[15:30] <cjwatson> depends how recently it was introduced
[15:30] <slangasek> yeah, it also doesn't help that the interval for reproducing is on the order of several days
[15:30] <slangasek> (I think I can reproduce faster than Matt because I change my video output a lot for hooking up an LCD)
[15:30] <slangasek> anyway
[15:31] <slangasek> pitti: thanks for the report - anything else?
[15:31] <pitti> no, I'm done
[15:31] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile team
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile team
[15:31] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[15:31] <lool> Most of our work is currently focused on the Freescale Babbage board and anything related to its enablement.  We will build a new flavor for it.  We work on new tools to generate RedBoot config, RedBoot partition tables, and SD images of these plus a kernel plus an initramfs plus a rootfs.  The rootfs will be a live system for now.
[15:31] <lool> Major risks with this project:
[15:31] <lool> - need kernel .debs in the archive (kernel team)
[15:31] <lool> - kernel bugs (e.g. initramfs seems flaky, Ethernet and USB have issues, Audio doesn't work etc.)
[15:31] <lool> - building RedBoot from source with FSL patches and/or packaging it
[15:31] <lool> Interesting spec status:
[15:31] <lool> arm-library-optimizations: glibc and pango ready for upload but waiting for kernel patch to be merged in our porter and buildd boxes by IS; WIP on gtk and cairo; ffmpeg-debian being discussed because of NEON
[15:31] <lool> poulsbo-packaging: intrepid packaging starts working for 2D but 3D crashes, jaunty packaging will be identical and so is almost ready
[15:31] <lool> jaunty-unr: expected to be complete for A6, last 2 patches have been acked and a
[15:32] <lool> re about to be merged by Seb
[15:32] <lool> Bugs on our radar, but not all release critical:
[15:32] <lool> 299847: slow progress, Michael has trouble simplifying the tests and writing a C test case, but we're distracted by other stuff and will continue chasing this
[15:32] <lool> 328167: Oliver just managed to reproduce and is trying to gather useful info
[15:32] <lool> 309396: We discussed a simpler way forward with Colin which is to backport the relevant syslinux fixes; Emmet started doing that
[15:32] <lool> 280669: In all cases jax10 now works on lpia and i386 but it seems apw's kernel selects a higher DMA mode; last thing is stress testing the driver a little before we recommend the patch for inclusion and upstreaming
[15:32] <lool> 336770: Oliver is writing a MIR for promotion of flash-kernel to main
[15:32] <lool> 338148: needs merge from Debian
[15:32] <lool> (done for the dump)
[15:33] <slangasek> lool: "NEON"?
[15:33] <lool> That's SIMD
[15:33] <lool> altivec for ARM if you prefer
[15:33] <slangasek> ok
[15:33] <lool> ARM wanted this enabled, but it's not runtime detected
[15:33] <lool> I provided info on how to do so, but it's not trivial in ffmpeg
[15:34] <lool> (For the way NEON is implemented)
[15:34] <lool> So we might provide alternate binary packages via shlibs "|" dependencies
[15:34] <lool> But there's no support for pulling that automatically on ARMv7 systems
[15:34] <slangasek> for the bugs you listed, which ones are the ones you *do* consider release-critical?
[15:35] <lool> The other way is to provide vfp libs, but that only works for VFP opts, not NEON
[15:35] <lool> 328167 is RC
[15:35] <lool> 309396 kind of, but we don't give a lot of love to the affected flavors in general
[15:36] <lool> 336770 is probably a blocker for archive consistency, but trivial
[15:36] <lool> That's all RC from that list; the RC "stuff" which we want in is babbage support, that includes having a kernel for it, redboot and all, infrastructure and more, and as much vfp libs as possible, probably the one I've listed
[15:37] <slangasek> [LINK] Mobile team status https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[15:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  Mobile team status https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[15:37] <lool> VFP is half done when we get the kernel fixed
[15:37] <slangasek> ok
[15:37] <slangasek> what's the ETA for that?
[15:37] <lool> Babbage is making good progress, but mostly out of archive   :-/
[15:37] <lool> IS has a ticket for the VFP-fixed kernel, it's very urgent
[15:38] <slangasek> ok
[15:38] <lool> The Babbage is probably going to fail A6 because the distro kernel will land in the coming days (ask kernel team / amitk), and that's too short for us to have everything working at the same time
[15:38] <rtg> lool: does this require the new ARM flavour taht we're working on?
[15:38] <lool> But it should be ok immediately after that
[15:38] <lool> rtg: No, that's just because IS would like the buildd board to be supported by our official kernel
[15:39] <lool> rtg: Which I agree is a more than very good idea
[15:39] <rtg> lool: we should have that done today
[15:39] <lool> (I raised this in the past, but couldn't do much about it since the Mobile team doesn't have any marvell board, only IS has)
[15:39] <lool> rtg: Babbage or Marvell?
[15:39] <rtg> lool: the MV7 (I think)
[15:40] <lool> Marvell is not RC IMO; it's a nice to have but we lived since months on hand built kernels on the buildds and porter box
[15:40] <slangasek> lool, davidm: anything else?
[15:40] <lool> That's all for me, happy to answer question or give more details after the meeting as well
[15:40] <davidm> slangasek, lool covered everything I had on my list
[15:40] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel team
[15:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team
[15:41] <pgraner> slangasek: LP 319729 I thought we put that to bed last meeting... I opened a release note task, gave sample text for it as well
[15:41] <pgraner> rtg: you know anything about? LP 320813
[15:41] <rtg> nope
[15:42] <slangasek> pgraner: it popped back up because lool mentioned to me that there are patches available - any chance of integrating those before release? (which beats an SRU any day if we can manage it)
[15:42] <slangasek> if not, I'll take it off the list
[15:42] <pgraner> slangasek: nope not at this point
[15:42] <rtg> slangasek: I'm looking at the ppoll/pselect [patch right now
[15:42] <lool> The CodeSourcery folks told us last week that it was a well known issue that pselect and ppoll were missing and that Russell didn't comment on the proposed patches so far
[15:42] <pgraner> slangasek: we should stick to the original plan and go from there if the patches pan out
[15:42] <lool> I figured that we had an actual test case and a semi-ack that a fix would be useful from Russel now
[15:43] <slangasek> pgraner: ack
[15:43] <pgraner> slangasek: on 320813 timo is working so I don't have any real viz into it
[15:44] <pgraner> slangasek: rtg can address LP 317781
[15:44] <rtg> ext4: there are 6 or 7 stable patches in Ted's tree. I've been waiting for them to appear via stable update.
[15:44] <rtg> but, one of them is an ABI bumper, so I've been dragging my feet
[15:44] <slangasek> ok, I see follow-ups from timo on 320813 that suggest the jaunty task should probably be wontfixed
[15:44] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on bug 320813 (wontfix jaunty?)
[15:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to follow up on bug 320813 (wontfix jaunty?)
[15:45] <pgraner> slangasek: thats it for the kernel team....
[15:45] <slangasek> rtg: hmm, better sooner than later for an ABI bump?  (but also better not while we're rolling milestone candidates, of course :)
[15:45] <rtg> slangasek: they have not been officially released
[15:45] <slangasek> ok
[15:45] <rtg> the ext4 patches, I mean
[15:46] <slangasek> is that worth mentioning in the bug?
[15:46] <rtg> I've a couple of other kernel items
[15:46] <rtg> I want to move madwifi out of LRM since Leffler opened the HAL
[15:46] <rtg> Wireless CRDA is causing some "interesting" regulatory issues,
[15:46] <rtg> still working with Luis to determine the ultimate solution.
[15:46] <rtg> rf-kill: apw currently working with an Intel patch.
[15:46] <rtg> thats all from me
[15:47] <slangasek> can you elaborate wrt moving madwifi out of LRM?
[15:47] <rtg> slangasek: I'll update the ext4 bug with that info
[15:47] <slangasek> does that mean dropping madwifi in favor of the fully free driver?
[15:47] <rtg> move madwifi into the kernel package, but it'll require some jockey coordination I think
[15:47] <slangasek> or moving madwifi into another package?
[15:47] <slangasek> ok
[15:48] <slangasek> can you coordinate with pitti regarding jockey and file an FFe?  That sounds like it carries some risk
[15:48] <rtg> is it really a feature?
[15:49] <rtg> I'm not positive it'll cause jockey problems, but I just want to be sure.
[15:49] <pitti> well, if it's just moving the driver into a new packge, then the change is simple
[15:49] <pitti> well, maybe not that simple
[15:49] <pitti> we currently don't have a proper jockey handler for madwifi
[15:49] <slangasek> there are no potential problems from having this driver become available by default?
[15:49] <pitti> I've been meaning to write one to get better strings, etc.
[15:49] <rtg> slangasek: its black listed by default
[15:50] <slangasek> ok - and the blacklist will remain in place?
[15:50] <rtg> yep
[15:50] <rtg> ath5k is the preferred driver
[15:50] <slangasek> in that case, no need for an FFe for me
[15:50] <pitti> rtg: the new madwifi package will ship the blacklist file?
[15:50] <slangasek> sounds like the kernel will ship it
[15:50] <rtg> no, its current in modutils
[15:50] <slangasek> or that
[15:50] <rtg> crrently*
[15:51] <rtg> there should be no external behavior change.
[15:51] <slangasek> sounds good
[15:51] <slangasek> rtg, pgraner: thanks
[15:51] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations team
[15:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team
[15:51] <cjwatson> Foundations status is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty
[15:52] <cjwatson> nothing too much to call out from that, we lopped about half the RC bug list off from last time and gained a little under the same again :-/
[15:52] <slangasek> [LINK] Foundations team status http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty
[15:52] <MootBot> LINK received:  Foundations team status http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty
[15:52] <cjwatson> but that's more or less to be expected
[15:52] <slangasek> right :)
[15:53] <cjwatson> three of the known issues from alpha 5 were ours, and are all believed to be done
[15:53] <cjwatson> 334278 was mostly a udev bug, although I also added a few more bits of synchronisation to the installer; this will bear further testing with a6, though
[15:53] <slangasek> 292159> kernel panic?  any help we can give evand on that?
[15:53] <cjwatson> 334281 is uploaded now
[15:54] <cjwatson> the ARM/NSLU2 thing is uploaded too so that it doesn't do expensive locale generation on lowmem installs
[15:54]  * slangasek nods
[15:54] <cjwatson> hm, evand isn't here. He didn't sound as if he needed help earlier but I'll remind him to shout if he does
[15:54] <cjwatson> (he reckoned it was something he was doing wrong)
[15:55] <cjwatson> remarkably few of the regression-potential bugs are ours
[15:55] <robbiew> whoohoo!
[15:55] <robbiew> :)
[15:55] <cjwatson> basically just 324614 (software-properties) and 331442 (ubiquity)
[15:55] <cjwatson> I hadn't looked at those until this afternoon, but I'll make sure they get attention
[15:56] <slangasek> I think that's because we disclaimed responsibility for the X server this cycle :)
[15:56] <cjwatson> as robbiew points out, our team has a vast number of assigned bugs compared to others, which I think in part reflects that many of us have been with Ubuntu for ages and have built up massive to-do lists of death
[15:56] <cjwatson> but we'll probably need to do something about paring that down to be a little more manageable and viewable
[15:56] <robbiew> heh...plus Foundations is the catch-all
[15:57] <cjwatson> that's all from me; Robbie?
[15:57] <robbiew> quick question on FFEs
[15:57] <robbiew> am I right in seeing that we only have 2?
[15:57] <robbiew> http://tinyurl.com/dcbv8n
[15:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://tinyurl.com/dcbv8n
[15:58] <slangasek> there are 8 outstanding FFes right now
[15:58] <robbiew> ah
[15:58] <robbiew> all for jaunty?
[15:58] <cjwatson> robbiew: outstanding, or ever?
[15:58] <robbiew> outstanding
[15:58] <slangasek> you seem to have filtered by milestone for some reason?
[15:58] <slangasek> FFes aren't generally tied to milestones
[15:59] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+subscribedbugs
[15:59] <robbiew> right...then parse based on approx when they were opened
[15:59] <slangasek> all of those are jaunty, I've gone through and killed off all the ones that weren't
[15:59] <pitti> cjwatson: massive assigned lists> I found it a good exercise to clean up mine; many were already fixed, many obsolete, and for some I just unassigned because realistically I won't work on them
[15:59] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah, I've been doing that a bit too, but of course it's second place to more urgent things
[16:00] <pitti> cjwatson: yeah, absolutely; something to do when your brain isn't in 100% steam mode :)
[16:00] <robbiew> slangasek: ok, and Keybuk's "meta" FFE isn't listed, right?
[16:00] <slangasek> robbiew: correct
[16:00] <slangasek> (though part of it is, in the form of the compiz FFe request)
[16:00] <cjwatson> I wonder if that should've gone through a bug report
[16:00] <robbiew> maybe we should require all FFEs to have some sort of LP bug associated...so we can track them
[16:00] <slangasek> probably
[16:00] <davidbarth> and you probably don't see the 3 from dxteam, because they are not properly tagged/miletstoned yet
[16:00] <slangasek> then I don't have to maintain a wiki page that duplicates most of what's already in LP :)
[16:01] <robbiew> ;)
[16:01] <cjwatson> is there such a wiki page at the moment?
[16:01] <slangasek> cjwatson: no, but robbiew asked for one
[16:01]  * robbiew doesn't need one, if LP can do the work for us
[16:01] <cjwatson> ah, right. I'd certainly prefer it all to be in LP
[16:01] <robbiew> +1
[16:02] <slangasek> davidbarth: what are those?  I guess they're not actually FFe requests until they've been submitted to the release team
[16:02] <cjwatson> davidbarth: you'd just need to subscribe the ubuntu-release team to them
[16:02] <davidbarth> slangasek: they are UIF exceptions, for things like 4 strings and icons
[16:02] <slangasek> ok - please do subscribe ubuntu-release
[16:02] <Keybuk> how should I handle the existing FFes?
[16:02] <cjwatson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:02] <Keybuk> I'm quite happy to file bugs and subscribe you guys, on the basis that they're already approved
[16:02] <davidbarth> slangasek: plus the logout dialog thing that i'd like to get monitored even if it landed yesterday
[16:02] <slangasek> Keybuk: that would be perfect, thanks
[16:03] <cjwatson> (FEP> which says "After that, subscribe the release team, as usual" for UI freeze exceptions)
[16:03] <davidbarth> slangasek: i have a list (wiki) but will be happy to subscribe them to ubuntu-release to get that tracked in LP
[16:04] <slangasek> davidbarth: well, you have to subscribe ubuntu-release to actually be granted an exception by the release team... :)
[16:04] <davidbarth> slangasek: will do
[16:04] <slangasek> (UI freeze exceptions are usually trivial to approve, since the main concern is that the docs team *know* that things are changing)
[16:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server team
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team
[16:05] <slangasek> dendrobates: hi
[16:05] <dendrobates> 3 things.  1 update and 2 FFE's that might be filed.
[16:06] <dendrobates> bug 305264
[16:06] <dendrobates> The openldap is fixed upstream and mathiaz should be grabbing it next week
[16:07] <dendrobates> we are still trying to get a clean build of likewise-open 5.1
[16:07] <slangasek> "clean" how?
[16:07] <dendrobates> we had a new code drop yesterday and if it builds ttx will do an FFE Monday.
[16:08] <dendrobates> will not build due to multiple problems.
[16:08] <dendrobates> should all be fixed now, ttx is testing.
[16:08] <slangasek> ok
[16:09] <dendrobates> I was notified by the landscape team that they plan to have a code drop soon that adds new features.
[16:09] <slangasek> is that the second FFe?
[16:09] <dendrobates> yes
[16:09] <dendrobates> the 2nd potential one, as I haven't seen any code yet.
[16:09] <ScottK> There is also clamav 0.95.  It's RC is out and I'm hoping Debian will have a package soon for us to work on rdepends (as I haven't had time to package it).  Final should be out in a week or two.
[16:10] <dendrobates> that's all I've got.
[16:10] <slangasek> ScottK: and that one implies full rebuilds of all reverse-deps?  (ISTR discussing this earlier)
[16:11] <ScottK> slangasek: Not just rebuilds.  Patching the libclamav rdepends.
[16:11] <slangasek> right
[16:11] <ScottK> There is one change in the clamd interface, but so far we haven't found a package it affects.
[16:11] <slangasek> so I suppose that'll get a formal FFe request as well when the package is available
[16:11] <ScottK> Yes.  Once it's out and we have the rdepends workable.
[16:12] <ScottK> We'll work in the ubuntu-clamav PPA until then.
[16:12] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:12] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[16:12] <slangasek> ScottK: all you :)
[16:12] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:12] <ScottK> All the libclamav rdepends are in Universe ....
[16:13] <ScottK> The big thing for us right now is the Python transition
[16:13] <ScottK> It's in full swing, but a lot of it involves package changes and not just rebuilding.
[16:13] <slangasek> is there a python TODO list posted anywhere?
[16:13] <slangasek> I've been picking off packages as I run into them
[16:13] <ScottK> We're also hitting stuff more than I'd expected that won't work in 2.6.
[16:14] <ScottK> slangasek: No, we've just been knocking stuff off as we find it.
[16:14] <slangasek> yes, quodlibet wouldn't even build for me without code changes because of os.popen2() deprecation
[16:14] <ScottK> I've been systematically working my way through the python2.5 rdepends, but it's slow
[16:14] <cjwatson> really? I thought that was just a warning
[16:15] <cjwatson> debconf.py was fine with it, it just whined on stderr (and I fixed it)
[16:15] <slangasek> cjwatson: it is, but it somehow managed to break the build system :)
[16:15] <ScottK> One of the major XML libs doesn't work in 2.6 and upstream says they won't support it.
[16:15]  * ScottK is blanking on which one.
[16:15] <slangasek> I didn't figure out why, I just patched it out and the build worked
[16:15] <ScottK> That will cause all it's rdpends to stay on 2.5.
[16:15] <slangasek> ScottK: hrm, yuck
[16:16] <ScottK> So I think we are stuck with having 2.5 as a supported Python for this release.
[16:16] <slangasek> dendrobates: speaking of python, I finished getting python2.5 off the server images, and amd64 server still weighs in at 716M
[16:16] <ScottK> And of course Zope and related on 2.4.
[16:16] <slangasek> dendrobates: does anyone from your team watch ubuntu-server CD size?
[16:17] <slangasek> ScottK: ah, eew.  Can you find out which XML lib that is and let me know?
[16:17] <ScottK> So my prediction is this one will take up a fair amount of community effort up until the end. Sure.
[16:18] <ScottK> I have the bug somewhere.
[16:18] <ScottK> That's it for Universe.
[16:18] <ScottK> I'd like to add a couple of bits on Kubuntu if I could?
[16:18] <slangasek> [ACTION] ScottK to get bug reference for XML lib that won't support python 2.6
[16:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ScottK to get bug reference for XML lib that won't support python 2.6
[16:18] <slangasek> go ahead
[16:18] <ScottK> We uploaded both Qt 4.5 final and KDE 4.2.1 this week.
[16:19] <ScottK> Things are a little rocky and Qt thought 4.5 was for 4.2 and KDE did not.
[16:19] <ScottK> We're sorting through it, but it's 'fun'.
[16:19] <ScottK> On ports we're pretty stuck for Power PC because Qt 4.5 ICE.
[16:20] <ScottK> There's no way we have the expertise to sort through an ICE, so it'd be great if we could get some help with that.
[16:20] <ScottK> That's it.
[16:20] <cjwatson> doko: ^- ?
[16:21] <slangasek> does someone have access to hardware to distill a reproducible test case?
[16:21] <ScottK> None of the core Kubuntu team have power pc.
[16:21] <ScottK> TheMuse does ....
[16:21] <slangasek> IME that's the most labor-intensive part of debugging an ICE
[16:21] <cjwatson> Riddell has access to davis.canonical.com
[16:22] <ScottK> OK.  It's a bit beyond me to sort out who needs to do what to whom on this ...
[16:22] <slangasek> cjwatson: could you take point on that?
[16:22] <cjwatson> on getting the right people to sort it out?
[16:22] <slangasek> yes
[16:22] <cjwatson> I guess, yes
[16:22] <cjwatson> (though not today)
[16:23] <slangasek> [ACTION] cjwatson to find resources for debugging Qt ICE on powerpc
[16:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to find resources for debugging Qt ICE on powerpc
[16:23] <ScottK> There's a 2nd, much smaller package that also has a very similar ICE, so it might be a better source for a test case
[16:23] <slangasek> ScottK: do you know the package name?
[16:23] <slangasek> if not, could you get back to cjwatson with it later?
[16:24] <ScottK> kde-style-skulpture
[16:24] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[16:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Known regressions
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Known regressions
[16:24] <slangasek> discussion of some of these has obviously been interleaved
[16:25] <slangasek> I've been triaging the bugs from #
[16:25] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=regression-potential
[16:25] <slangasek> ,
[16:25] <ScottK> Is there a reason regression-release isn't also tracked here?
[16:25] <slangasek> but it ends up being fairly time-consuming (though worthwhile) because some of the bugs make it onto that list in a still unclear state
[16:26] <slangasek> so it would help if individual teams could review the list and pick off some regressions, then I don't need to triage them :)
[16:26] <slangasek> ScottK: that the focus of the meeting is jaunty development
[16:26] <heno> sbeattie: can you take point on getting those triaged?
[16:27] <heno> ask for help from teams or the rest of the QA team as need be
[16:27] <ScottK> slangasek: If it's a regression from Hardy and still not fixed in Jaunty should it have both tags then?
[16:27] <sbeattie> heno: yes, I'm doing that as well. as slangasek said, it's time-consuming.
[16:28] <heno> ok
[16:28] <slangasek> heno, sbeattie: the most problematic ones are usually the 'undecided' importance ones at the bottom; once they at least have an importance set, I have some indication whether we should consider targeting
[16:28] <slangasek> ScottK: yes
[16:28] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:28] <slangasek> [TOPIC] ISO size
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  ISO size
[16:29] <slangasek> I mentioned the ubuntu-server being oversized on amd64; would be good to have someone from the server team take lead on resolving this, since I don't really have a feel for what's expendable or not there
[16:29]  * pitti needs to leave now, got a 9.10 planning call now
[16:29] <slangasek> GNOME has also been creeping back up in size, and we have a FFe request for compiz to add a dep on a new 500K library
[16:30] <slangasek> pitti: ok, thanks!
[16:30] <slangasek> so this is costing us some langpacks on the desktop side; clever (and not-too-crazy) ideas for saving some space there are still welcome
[16:31] <pitti> we might do some more lzma'ing
[16:31] <cjwatson> there appears to be some installer cruft on the server CD which shouldn't be there but is
[16:31] <slangasek> do we have a current list of lzma targets?
[16:31] <cjwatson> things like cdebconf-udeb
[16:31] <cjwatson> I'll take a look at that, and it should save us several megabytes
[16:31] <slangasek> calc produced that list last time, it probably needs re-done
[16:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: great, thanks
[16:31] <cjwatson> (basically, anything that's already in the installer initrd doesn't need to be duplicated as a udeb)
[16:32] <slangasek> [ACTION] cjwatson to look at removing unnecessary installer components from ubuntu-server CD
[16:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to look at removing unnecessary installer components from ubuntu-server CD
[16:32] <cjwatson> annoyingly, I thought I'd already fixed that this cycle
[16:33] <slangasek> and then of course, we also have oversized DVDs, which we'll have to do something about fairly soon :)
[16:33] <slangasek> I'll be digging into that this coming week for alpha-6, but suggestions welcome
[16:34] <slangasek> anyway - a bit over time now, but that's it for the agenda
[16:34] <ScottK> slangasek: It's python-4suite-xml - Bug #338079 for my action item.
[16:34] <slangasek> ScottK: ah, thanks
[16:34] <slangasek> anything else we need to cover?
[16:34] <slangasek> (I assume not, since nobody is talking over me yet :)
[16:35] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:35.
[16:35] <slangasek> thanks, folks!
[16:35] <robbiew> thanks