[12:00] <StoffBox-Steve> console > man apt-get blizah :D has many info of use
[12:00] <seb128> usual: np
[12:02] <neighborlee> i'm only getting 885mb showing out of my total 1GB of ram...how do I enable the rest ? ( please dont tell me I have to recompile kernel) ;-)))
[12:03] <stazich> hey do any of u guys know why i cannot log in to root? i had debian installed before ubuntu, and then i put warty on, and during install it did not even ask me for a root passwrd id like to use.. now when i try SU in term it asks me for pword , i try my old on debian, dont work... says sorry...
[12:03] <goldfish_> StoffBox-Steve: ubuntu has no root account
[12:03] <goldfish_> gah
[12:03] <goldfish_> tab
[12:03] <virtuald> heh
[12:03] <neighborlee> stazich, this is how ubuntu works.
[12:03] <goldfish_> stazich: no root account on ubuntu
[12:03] <virtuald> it does
[12:03] <queuetue> neighborlee, What makes you think you're only getting  885?
[12:03] <virtuald> just not activated
[12:03] <virtuald> ie no password
[12:03] <Deviant_> anyone know how I can make my pointer larger?
[12:03] <neighborlee> stazich, you just use your normal password via : sudo program
[12:04] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, according to gnome-monitor
[12:04] <StoffBox-Steve> ubuntu dont need a root goldfish_ :D root PW is you PW ... and you can use sudo or gksudo
[12:04] <acs> Deviant_, make it point to something larger?
[12:04] <Quest-Master> neighborlee: huh?
[12:04] <goldfish_> StoffBox-Steve: lol
[12:04] <goldfish_> yeah i know
[12:04] <goldfish_> mis-tab
[12:04] <Deviant_> acs , no make the pointer larger in general
[12:04] <Deviant_> its too small
[12:05] <lok> you can also give a password to the root account with sudo passwd
[12:05] <StoffBox-Steve>  :D i think you know it *GG :D
[12:05] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, /sysinfo is actually where I noticed it first shrug
[12:05] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, dont you know what gnome-monitor is ?
[12:06] <Quest-Master> About the airport thing?
[12:06] <queuetue> neighborlee, Are you talking to me?
[12:06] <neighborlee> queuetue, to whomever wishes to assist
[12:06] <stazich> neighborlee: so man, i just type in sudo in prompt?
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, yes
[12:07] <LordC> Can anyone help with my installation hell? ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17950 )
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, so dont like it but you get used to it....
[12:07] <queuetue> neighborlee, what does cat /proc/meminfo  |grep MemTotal say?
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, so/some ..:(
[12:07] <neighborlee> checking
[12:08] <blizah> im so new, how do i get to the console?
[12:08] <queuetue> Actually, grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo works - wasn't sure if it would...
[12:08] <goldfish_> blizah: Apps > System tools > terminal
[12:08] <queuetue> blizah, an xterm, or a real console?
[12:08] <drspin> can I use the Hoary kernel on my Warty system?
[12:08] <blizah> erm which ever one is for apt-get
[12:08] <neighborlee> queuetue, 906736 ..so I guess /sysinfo was misleading or I read it wrong..( actually a friend pointed it out to me and I wasn't sure)
[12:09] <vEnEx> hi, perhaps anyone could help me with this? I'm installing Ubuntu at the moment (warty version). When I have to choose a video adapter/driver to properly load the 'X system', I have no idea which driver to choose. I Have a 3D Prophet 4500 (Hercules). Is there like a 'standard' driver for every video card, cause I think mine is not in the list
[12:09] <ermo> blizah, did you mean 'text-mode' console or just an X terminal? you can apt-get in both:)
[12:09] <queuetue> neighborlee, What is /sysinfo?
[12:09] <queuetue> Is that some nautilus thing?
[12:09] <blizah> i guess either works then :D
[12:09] <tizen> anyone want to give me a link or a tip for burning from the livecd?
[12:09] <neighborlee> queuetue, a pyton script I think for showing system info
[12:09] <neighborlee> I Am Using  testing/unstable <=> Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-5-386 - i686 <=> 2254.461 Mhz - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.26GH <=> Uptime ( 1 day, 19:09 ) <=> Memory Information ( 885 Megs Of Ram, 320 Megs Used. 564 Megs Free ) <=> HD Info ( 79G HD, 59G Free ) <=> Monitor Resolution ( 1280x1024 ) <=> Internet Info ( Downloaded 531.86M, Uploaded 116.02M )
[12:09] <neighborlee> queuetue, it does that ^^^^^
[12:09] <vEnEx> blizah > no, I tried 'ati' before, and the system couldn't start the X Server then :) had to reinstall
[12:10] <avdyk> hi
[12:11] <StoffBox-Steve> use VESA for start vEnEx VESA work with 90% of all cards
[12:11] <vEnEx> owkay, I'll give it a try. Thank you ^^
[12:11] <avdyk> what do I need as apt/sources.list to install gdm?
[12:11] <gilles> the french site of ubuntu is very nice, very clean
[12:11] <avdyk> I follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes but I can't install ubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <ermo> blizah, btw the words 'console' and 'terminal' are semantically interchangeable. There are historical differences in what they 'actually' mean, but for now, assume it means 'command-prompt'.
[12:12] <blizah> hehe ok
[12:12] <iotc247> Armaranth ya there?
[12:12] <StoffBox-Steve> how you install ubuntu avdyk ? normaly gdm and ubuntu-desktop are default installations
[12:12] <blizah> is there a gui way to use aptget?
[12:12] <iotc247> yeah
[12:12] <iotc247> synaptic
[12:12] <goldfish_> blizah: synaptic
[12:12] <colin_> cool my name is in the topic
[12:12] <ermo> blizah, actually, I don't think anyone but programmers are supposed to _truly_ understand the difference ;)
[12:12] <avdyk> StoffBox-Steve: chroot from debian
[12:13] <ermo> blizah, gnome?
[12:13] <blizah> yea im in ubuntu
[12:13] <ermo> duh of course gnome.
[12:13] <blizah> where is synaptic located?
[12:13] <StoffBox-Steve> try > apt-install gnome avdyk
[12:13] <ermo> System->Administration-Synaptic
[12:13] <gilles> what's the difference between "universe" and non universe ?
[12:13] <ermo> ->Synaptic even
[12:14] <StoffBox-Steve> ups avdyk mean > apt-get install gnome :D
[12:14] <Erik_> d
[12:14] <ermo> gilles, may I quote you on that (in a different context ;-^ )
[12:14] <stazich> neighborlee: so man i typed sudo, but it gave me like not enought parameters... how exactly should i use it?
[12:15] <neighborlee> queuetue, so is 906736 right..if so where is the other 94k at...( I have 1 gig of ram )
[12:15] <avdyk> StoffBox-Steve: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:15] <avdyk>   gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 55) but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-office (= 55) but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: bluefish but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: evolution but it is not going to be installed or
[12:15] <avdyk>                   balsa but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-cups-manager but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <Erik_> can somebody help we with screenflicker in Gnome?
[12:15] <neighborlee> stazich, sudo gedit : for example..
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-themes-extras but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: rhythmbox but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <StoffBox-Steve> try apt-get install -f avdyk
[12:15] <goldfish_> ph dear
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: synaptic but it is not going to be installed or
[12:15] <avdyk>                   gnome-apt but it is not installable
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: xscreensaver but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk> ermo: Broken packages
[12:15] <neighborlee> whew ;-)
[12:15] <stazich> oh, ok... i just use it as prefix to any command im trying to use which requires root?
[12:16] <gilles> Do you all think that Hoary will be ready for April ?
[12:16] <ermo> how did he manage to not get kicked?
[12:16] <neighborlee> stazich, exactly
[12:16] <goldfish_> gilles: Apparantly it will.
[12:16] <queuetue> neighborlee, Roundoff between actual megs (1024 1024's) and ideal megabytes (1000 1000)'s?
[12:17] <queuetue> neighborlee, life's too short to chase 94k. :)
[12:17] <stazich> strabgeky it did not ask me for password
[12:17] <ermo> queuetue, ... but not if it's $s
[12:17] <neighborlee> queuetue, yeah i'm not worried...I guess /sysinfo doesn't quite 'get it right'
[12:17] <neighborlee> queuetue, much more important things to worry about <G>
[12:18] <kent> avdyk, its a big "NO NO" to post large bits of text in a channel on irc. Either past it on internet or ask to past it privatly to another channel like #avdyk or something.
[12:18] <queuetue> ermo, If I have a billion $$ (a gigbuck), then I wonuldnt chase $94k :)
[12:18] <avdyk> kent: yep, sorry
[12:18] <ermo> queuetue, point taken :)
[12:18] <jesuel> kent: #flood
[12:18] <stazich> the command is not working... im trying to build MPLAYER package, it says that my system does not satisfy dependencies...
[12:18] <avdyk> thanks for your help, switching to aptitude
[12:18] <kent> jesuel, a personal #my_channel is better. That way you dont get the other flood that is in #flood :)
[12:18] <queuetue> Also, if I had a billion $$ I would probably not be hanging out in here. :)
[12:19] <jesuel> kent: true :)
[12:19] <queuetue> In fact, if I just had $94k... :)
[12:19] <ermo> stazich, do you _have_ to compile yourself? Or are you already using the ubuntu-packaged source files?
[12:19] <jesuel> queuetue: lol
[12:20] <stazich> well i am not sure... i was told by smeone earlier to download the source files off the website and then use this command : $ dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[12:20] <bulio_II> I have a dsl ethernet modem
[12:20] <ermo> queuetue, so ... a few random bits are missing each day at, say, 7 a.m?
[12:20] <bulio_II> will ubuntu live detect it at boot?
[12:20] <Xappe> bulio_II, just boot and find out
[12:20] <bulio_II> but should it?
[12:20] <queuetue> ermo, i think they leak out late at night.  I just discover them in th emorning ... wherever I happen to wake up.
[12:21] <jesuel> bulio_II: dsl ethernet modem, you should just plug it in and it will work sir
[12:21] <bulio_II> ok great
[12:21] <jesuel> bulio_II: its a external box right?
[12:21] <jesuel> ...
[12:21] <Xappe> if it detects your ethernet card, then it should work
[12:21] <ermo> queuetue, ... as in 'Sweetie, have you seen my <beep>? I refuse to sit down to <beep>'?
[12:22] <ermo> queuetue, that would be a case of serious corruption, of course.
[12:23] <drspin> what is the best way to share files between two computers that are far away?
[12:23] <Xappe> ftp?
[12:24] <drspin> hmm - I was thinking something closer to NFS or SMB -- but I'm not sure how it would be possible to make these work from 2 different networks
[12:24] <queuetue> Heh
[12:25] <ermo> drspin, afaik, both NFS and SMB were developed to provide LAN services.
[12:26] <ermo> drspin, do you _have_ to share files real-time or do they just need to be 'synchronized'?
[12:26] <brosio> anyone could give to me a repository of ubuntu64 ?
[12:26] <drspin> ermo: right ;) well I want to store all my music and movies on my dual processor machine
[12:27] <lok> brosio, archive.ubuntu.com
[12:27] <drspin> but actually use them on my desktop
[12:27] <ermo> drspin, what distance are we talking? meters? hops? parsecs?
[12:28] <queuetue> Linear libraries-of-congress?
[12:28] <pablo928> Do I need an antivirus for Ubuntu?
[12:28] <ermo> queutue, stacked-pink-wellingtons even?
[12:29] <drspin> ermo: LOL -- about 5 feet from me -- but I want my parents to be able to use it as well (900 miles)
[12:29] <lok> pablo928, do you catch frequently virus on unix-like ?
[12:29] <ermo> queuetue stacked-pink-wellingtons even?
[12:29] <queuetue> pablo928, There are no real known linux viruses.  There is also no guarantee that there never will be, but the way linux works, it's ver hard to infect.
[12:29] <pablo928> Thanks, I was just wonderingt.
[12:29] <brosio>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:30] <queuetue> pablo928, doubly so with ubuntu, since you're enver supposed to run as root.  (although I do far too often.)
[12:30] <ermo> drspin, so, you have a LAN and two computers, of which one is a dual-proc server and the other is a workstation.
[12:30] <brosio> is correctly for a repository fot ubuntu64 ?
[12:30] <queuetue> pablo928, That said, there are antivurus tools for ubuntu - clamav beingone of them.
[12:30] <lok> brosio, yes
[12:30] <drspin> ermo -- sort of... but the computers each lease their own IP address from my ISP
[12:30] <brosio> ok
[12:31] <rapha> Hmm.
[12:31] <brosio> i don't known what hoary means
[12:31] <brosio> i need to install some package on a debian 64
[12:31] <lok> it's the release name of ubuntu
[12:31] <rapha> Could somebody just give me a quick hand and tell what he is getting at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/herrenberger-buehne ?
[12:31] <brosio> ok thx
[12:31] <ermo> drspin, but why don't you connect them via 2 seperate NICs? and either a switch or a x-over cable?
[12:31] <queuetue> brosio, Rough and Tough.  And current.
[12:31] <lok> you can use hoary or warty
[12:32] <lok> wrty=stable
[12:32] <ermo> drspin, doesn't _have_ to cost you a fortune, you know.
[12:32] <brosio> hoary=unstable ?
[12:32] <brosio> ok thx
[12:32] <drspin> ermo: I plan to play with VPN here soon - which is why it's setup this way -- but for now...
[12:32] <stazich> hey, what can happen if i do not satisfy 1 out of the 5 dependencies i am missing to install a package???
[12:33] <blizah> so when i hit reload in synaptic it checks for newer versions of the packages?
[12:33] <ermo> drspin, but you'd get a rather large latency. And you'd be limited to <= <min isp bandwidth>/2
[12:34] <lok> stazich, the package or some functionnality of your package doesn't work
[12:34] <ermo> Dr_Acemaster, or, ... eh ... without the /2
[12:34] <ermo> drspin, or, ... eh ... without the /2
[12:34] <drspin> ermo: bandwidth is not a problem... the latency will be annoying but I will deal with it -- it'll help motivate me to learn vpn
[12:35] <agueybana> i need some help with an installation
[12:35] <ermo> drspin, well, if you *want* to use vpn, you'll create a share medium (logically) anyway, at which point smb or nfs *should* work anyway.
[12:36] <shock> woohooo.... got the whole zope+plone thingy up and running now :D
[12:36] <blizah> can ubuntu not run the latest version of gaim?
[12:36] <shock> that was quite a fight
[12:36] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:36] <drspin> so lemme restate my question - can I share files in real time with another computer on a different network?
[12:36] <stazich> haveing built the package, what do i do later with it? it is MPLAYER... i am building it in MPLAYER folder on my desktop... what r tipe for tieing it to the ubuntu pull down manu of programs afterwards??? can anyone help please? and by the way is just building it enough? doi i have to place it anywhere like "program files" for linux? sorry for these nube questions guys... forums dont really guide me through this, they too co
[12:36] <stazich> mplicated...
[12:36] <lok> blizah, use apt-get install gaim=versionnumber
[12:36] <bulio_II> well
[12:36] <bulio_II> booted up ubuntu live
[12:37] <bulio_II> modem didn't respond
[12:37] <shock> stazich - why dont u just install mplayer from marillat?
[12:37] <lok> stazich, you want to compile mplayer ?
[12:37] <shock> O_o
[12:37] <bulio_II> couldn't get on net
[12:37] <blizah> lok is that possible from synatic?
[12:37] <Loevborg> shock, it crashes.
[12:37] <shock> oh
[12:37] <shock> hm
[12:37] <blizah> synaptic
[12:37] <bulio_II> anyone able to help?
[12:37] <shock> crashes with what error?
[12:37] <ermo> drspin, ... without using vpn (or some other form of) tunneling?
[12:37] <shock> not a modem person, myself :/
[12:37] <lok> blizah, I don't konw
[12:38] <bulio_II> :/
[12:38] <bulio_II> It's dsl modem with ethernet connection
[12:38] <Loevborg> stazich, if you built a proper mplayer .deb, it should show up in your menu - at least mine does.
[12:38] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:38] <lok> blizah, yeah
[12:38] <lok> right click on the package
[12:39] <stazich> i think it is compiling now... i ran a dpkg filename ... and arguments command.. it gave me lots of writing in term and is still doing something although writing now if comes isnt senseable... like its thinking heavily... supopose it is the compile process
[12:39] <drspin> what is my webmin login?
[12:39] <lok> and use "mark recommended for installation" and choice your version
[12:39] <bulio_II> hmm
[12:39] <blizah> lok in synaptic i see gaim but it says installed version 1.0.0, latest version 1.0.0  (thats after a reload)  but gaims latest version is 1.1.4
[12:39] <ermo> drspin, root:<foobar> I'd think
[12:41] <stazich> damn it... so does ubuntu not allow me to exit XWINDOWS?? i tried pressing CTRL ALT BACKSPACE, nthng...
[12:41] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:41] <ermo> stazich, easy man. try ctrl+alt+f1
[12:41] <lok> blizah, in this case this is your apt source which don't have the latest version
[12:41] <bob2> agueybana: you don't delete
[12:41] <lok> you have a ubuntu warty ?
[12:41] <bob2> agueybana: you install another one over it
[12:41] <agueybana> i don't delete?
[12:42] <agueybana> well
[12:42] <agueybana> that's the problem
[12:42] <agueybana> i can't seem to install ubuntu GRUB on my second harddrive
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, you need to zero out the first 448 bytes of your /dev/hda (if you zero out the whole 512 bytes in the mbr, you ruin your partition table as sell)
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, as well, even.
[12:42] <agueybana> i don't want to touch /dev/hda
[12:42] <gurran> who do i start the tightvncserver ? =S
[12:42] <agueybana> i want to deal with /dev/hdb
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, i'd advise you read double-check  the numbers, though.
[12:42] <agueybana> i want to leave /dev/hda purely for windows partitions
[12:42] <|QuaD|_> where can i find linux-headers-2.6.10-2 headers?
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, then /dev/hdb then
[12:43] <agueybana> i did that
[12:43] <agueybana> Ubuntu wouldn't load
[12:43] <agueybana> it would give me error
[12:43] <agueybana> tried /dev/hdb1
[12:43] <agueybana> also gave no success
[12:43] <agueybana> so i'm trying to install ubuntu on /dev/hdb and install NO bootloader.
[12:43] <agueybana> that way, just Linux boots...i'd rather use bios to switch between OS
[12:43] <ermo> agueybana, suppososing that your bios is set to boot from the correct harddrive, it should be doable
[12:44] <agueybana> it is
[12:44] <agueybana> i have it set to booting from HDD 1
[12:44] <agueybana> instead of HHD0
[12:44] <ermo> agueybana, ... and grub won't load?
[12:44] <agueybana> well, grub would load
[12:44] <agueybana> the menu would shhow
[12:44] <stazich> ok, is there an easy way to eject a cd? i currently do it through starting cd player and pressing eject
[12:44] <stazich> ;-)
[12:44] <agueybana> but then it would say "file not found" when I pressed enter on Ubuntu
[12:44] <lok> stazich, use the command eject
[12:44] <agueybana> this has happened 3 times with different Linux distros
[12:44] <gurran> who do i start the tightvncserver ? =S
[12:44] <agueybana> i frankly distrust the bootloaders
[12:44] <agueybana> sometimes they work
[12:45] <agueybana> sometimes they fuck up stuff
[12:45] <blizah> lok mind i asking you how i have my apt source have the latest version?
[12:45] <lok> or eject -t to insert  ... I love this command :)
[12:45] <ermo> agueybana, is your grub configured to use (hd1,0)?
[12:45] <bulio_II> anyone able to help with my internet problem?
[12:45] <agueybana> i'm not sure
[12:45] <lok> blizah, you have the latest stable realse
[12:45] <agueybana> i just put /dev/hdb on the prompt
[12:45] <lok> realese
[12:45] <ermo> agueybana, ok.
[12:45] <agueybana> instead of booting it to the MBR of the HDA
[12:45] <blizah> yea of ubuntu
[12:45] <stazich> ;-) thx loc
[12:45] <lok> if you want the 1.1.4 you must pass to unstable
[12:46] <blizah> ah
[12:46] <bulio_II> booted up ubuntu live
[12:46] <bulio_II> modem didn't respond
[12:46] <bulio_II> couldn't get on net
[12:46] <bulio_II> It's dsl modem with ethernet connection
[12:46] <ermo> agueybana, how about making an entry in your boot.ini file on your windows nt (derived) partition?
[12:46] <lok> you just have to replace warty in your source.list by hoary
[12:46] <agueybana> hmmmm
[12:46] <agueybana> GOOD IDEA!
[12:46] <blizah> or wait for stable hoary
[12:46] <agueybana> that would preclude the need for Linux based bootloaders
[12:46] <blizah> well since im new to linux ill stay with the stable for now
[12:47] <stazich> how long does it take to compile an app? its been on for about 5-10 min already for this mplayer imtrying to build...
[12:47] <agueybana> but...even for that, I need to learn how to "flush out" all data from HDB, because right now, there is an old, broken bootloader on it
[12:47] <blizah> so ubuntu users have to wait every 6 months to use the new version of things?
[12:47] <lok> stazich, mplayer is a huge apps
[12:47] <Weems> how do i restore the mbr?
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> blizah: no, they have to wait 6 months to use a stable release of new things
[12:47] <Xenguy> blizah: 6 months is nothing
[12:47] <agueybana> i removed all partitions from HDB
[12:47] <hawke_> Weems: in windows, fdisk /mbr
[12:47] <stazich> hehe, and i am running an old 333imac ;-))
[12:47] <agueybana> but there still seems to be some "boot" data on it
[12:48] <ermo> agueybana, like I said, zero out the drive. like so "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx size=448 count=1"
[12:48] <blizah> ah k
[12:48] <Xenguy> blizah: the obsession with always running the latest stuff is crazy IMO
[12:48] <Weems> hawke_, I cant get in to windows
[12:48] <hawke_> Weems: in Ubuntu, install-mbr /dev/hdn
[12:48] <lok> yeah this too
[12:48] <agueybana> ermo, how do I do that?
[12:48] <blizah> well what about security fixes...
[12:48] <agueybana> is there an easier way?  An ISO image utility that I can burn onto a CD to do it for me?
[12:48] <Xenguy> blizah: different issue
[12:48] <Weems> hawke_, install-mbr command not found
[12:48] <stazich> haveing built the package, what do i do later with it? it is MPLAYER... i am building it in MPLAYER folder on my desktop... what r tipe for tieing it to the ubuntu pull down manu of programs afterwards??? can anyone help please? and by the way is just building it enough? doi i have to place it anywhere like "program files" for linux? sorry for these nube questions guys... forums dont really guide me through this, they too co
[12:48] <stazich> mplicated...
[12:49] <drspin> Heh - had to enable my root password -- BOO!!  regardless... I keep getting access denied for <IP_ADDRESS> -->
[12:49] <hawke_> Weems: It's in the package mbr
[12:49] <drspin> because I used the wrong login too many times...
[12:49] <ermo> agueybana, but you still need to install a bootloader on /dev/hdb -> if you don't, the nt bootloader will just dump you n bytes into the mbr on /dev/hdb where the bootloader is supposed to be. But you just wrote zeroes there.
[12:49] <lok> stazich, a compilation it's ./configure && make && make install   most the time
[12:49] <lok> but it's also error msgs ;)
[12:49] <bob2> drspin: you don't need to enable it
[12:49] <agueybana> My goal from now on is to keep all HDA partitions to be Windows, with Windows booting solely on it (if Bios is set to it FIRST).  Then, put Linux on HDB completely, and make it the sole OS there.  That way, the bootloaders don't corrupt the other OS's boot procedure
[12:50] <ermo> agueybana, but really, if you haven't already, go to http://tldp.org/ and look at the boot howtos
[12:50] <agueybana> ah
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <Weems> hawke_, im running the livecd
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <drspin> bob2: I just found something that allows me to set up a user specific for webmin which I will do... how can I get rid of the block for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:50] <agueybana> here's my status
[12:50] <agueybana> my HDB is completely empty
[12:50] <bob2> drspin: no idea, I don't use webmin
[12:50] <ermo> agueybana, I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for there, along with nice and proper examples on how people made it work.
[12:50] <agueybana> i can run Ubuntu, and isntall on it
[12:50] <agueybana> ah
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <agueybana> i will check then
[12:50] <agueybana> thank you
[12:51] <drspin> bob2: I never have either...
[12:51] <ermo> Agrajag, you are most welcome :)
[12:51] <bulio_II> if you can help me with my modem, please query me
[12:51] <ermo> agueybana, you are most welcome :)
[12:52] <gurran> does anyone know how  i start the tightvncserver ?
[12:52] <blizah> so do i have to go to unstable ver. of ubuntu to use the latest firefox?\
[12:53] <lok> blizah, your firefox is patched
[12:53] <ermo> blizah, per definition, I'm afraid the answer is yes.
[12:53] <lok> but if you want the latest yes you must use unstable version
[12:53] <ermo> blizah, but as lok points out, do you really *need* to?
[12:54] <blizah> so i might not be using the latest ver of firefox but all the security bugs they have found lately have been patched?
[12:54] <lok> in other hand I use unstable ver. and I don't have any probleme
[12:54] <ermo> gurran, on tightvncserver, umm, no - but I didn't read the README either ;)
[12:54] <blizah> have been patched on my firefox...
[12:54] <bob2> blizah: yes
[12:54] <lok> the word unstable doesn't match realy the package
[12:54] <Tannenbaum> Hi..
[12:54] <ermo> gurran, (j/k - that answer was not nice)
[12:54] <Tannenbaum> could someone please lend me a hand?
[12:54] <gurran> ermo i cant find the blody readme
[12:55] <blizah> ah ok (im starting to understand)...sorry it took so long
[12:55] <Tannenbaum> with an install problem...
[12:55] <Tannenbaum> extrange one...
[12:55] <ermo> gurran, ok. let's get you on the road then, shall we?
[12:55] <gurran> ok
[12:56] <lok> Tannenbaum << with a nick like this you must want to launch a troll ^^
[12:56] <pablo928> What's the unstable part of Hoary? I loaded it and see  no problems.
[12:56] <bob2> or is just a confused fan(boy|girl)
[12:56] <lok> but anyhow what's your probleme
[12:56] <bob2> pablo928: unstable as in it changes
[12:56] <bulio_II> should an ethernet modem with ppoe authentication (dsl internet) work with ubuntu live?
[12:56] <mpq> would 20GB be enough for an ubuntu partition?
[12:56] <fr500> more than
[12:57] <fr500> mpq, i have 5gb
[12:57] <fr500> with all the sw i need
[12:57] <mpq> ok
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> the thing is that when it gets to partitioning the  disk..
[12:57] <pablo928> bob2: I do notice a lot of updates/upgrades daily.
[12:57] <mpq> can I safely resize the partition?
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> the install process can mount the partitioned space..
[12:57] <lok> pablo928, same for me but it's just that the dev team doesn't say that we can't have a probleme with instead of warty
[12:57] <ermo> gurran, I'm reading through http://www.tightvnc.com/doc/unix/README.txt
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> no matter what kind of file system it is..
[12:57] <bob2> mpq: depends what filesystem it is
[12:57] <mpq> I have both hoary and xp on my computer
[12:57] <gurran> thx
[12:57] <bulio_II> how do I setup pppoe internet in ubuntu?
[12:58] <mpq> and I want to have a partition that I can use to transfer files between the two OS
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> I've tryed to partition the disk outside the install process..
[12:58] <ermo> gurran, but it doesn't apply, unfortunately. Proceeding to the other available docs
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> using Knoppix and fdsik..
[12:58] <bob2> bulio_II: sudo pppoeconf
[12:58] <mpq> ubuntu uses ext3 right?
[12:58] <bulio_II> it'll work then?
[12:58] <fr500> i have this in crontab:  00 18 * * *      /bin/sh /etc/backup.sh
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> and install can?t mount either...
[12:58] <fr500> but the script doesnt work
[12:58] <fr500> any help?
[12:58] <pablo928> So if I have a major problem with Hoary I'll try a teinstall.
[12:58] <bob2> mpq: that is the default, indeed
[12:58] <pablo928> reinstall
[12:58] <bob2> fr500: have you read "man crontab"?
[12:58] <mpq> can ext3 be safely resized?
[12:58] <fr500> yes
[12:58] <ermo> gurran, I'd think http://www.tightvnc.com/vncserver.1.html is what you need
[12:59] <fr500> maybe i missed something
[12:59] <Tannenbaum> lok any clue?
[12:59] <ermo> gurran, ... but doesn't vino work for you?
[12:59] <lok> Tannenbaum, you can't mount the partition that's it
[12:59] <bulio_II> what will I need to know about my internet when I sudo pppoeconf?
[12:59] <bob2> mpq: yes
[12:59] <lok> mmh
[12:59] <Tannenbaum> lok that it seems
[12:59] <bob2> fr500: and the script runs fine from the command line?
[12:59] <bob2> bulio_II: your username and password
[12:59] <mpq> I want to have a partition that I can use to transfer files between xp and linux
[12:59] <fr500> yes
[01:00] <mpq> is that possible?
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> no matter the way i partition the disk
[01:00] <ermo> gurran, ok so far?
[01:00] <fr500> not even /bin/sh needed
[01:00] <bulio_II> bob2: and this should make the internet work in ubuntu live?
[01:00] <mpq> basically a partition I can write to in either OS
[01:00] <gurran> yes think i got what i need thank you
[01:00] <lok> Tannenbaum, do you have specified during the ubuntu installation the futur mount point of the partition?
[01:00] <ermo> gurran, ok
[01:00] <mpq> how would I do that, and what filesystem would I need to use?
[01:00] <bob2> bulio_II: no idea
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> yes..
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> I use a swap..
[01:00] <bob2> I've never bothered with the live cd
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> a boot ..
[01:00] <bulio_II> and how will I connect after this?
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> and a /
[01:01] <fr500> bob2, do i need a blank line at the end?
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, use ext2 and install the nt ext2 vfs layer?
[01:01] <mpq> huh?
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, ok :) let's try it again, slower this time.
[01:01] <Tannenbaum> lok and they are all specified..
[01:01] <mpq> can xp read/write to ext2?
[01:01] <javiolo> im trying to install a theme, but it says that i dont have gtk2.0
[01:01] <javiolo> and its installed
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, by default no, but with a vfs (Virtual File System) module, yes.
[01:01] <bulio_II> after I setup pppoeconf, will it automatically connect to the net?
[01:02] <bob2> bulio_II: sudo pon
[01:02] <mpq> what about fat32?
[01:02] <lok> Tannenbaum, you don't have any error message when you parted the hd ?
[01:02] <LordC> ok, thats like my 5th attempt, i cannot get ubuntu installed :/
[01:02] <mpq> is that any good?
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: no
[01:02] <Tannenbaum> lok no
[01:02] <mpq> what's wrong with it?
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: it's only useful as something both windows and linux can write to
[01:02] <bulio_II> and sudo pon will make me connect?
[01:02] <ermo> mpq, well, if you're not afraid of losing your date, then yes.
[01:02] <lok> lol ermo
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: no permissions, case insensitive, file size limits, file name limits etc
[01:02] <fr500> bob2 is there any way to see if the scrip even attempted to run?
[01:03] <ermo> mpq, in short: It's a sucky hack.
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok I even checked partitions for physical errors
[01:03] <bob2> fr500: read your logs
[01:03] <lok> bob2, no fat32 can't handle file > than 4GB
[01:03] <bulio_II> and sudo pon will make me connect?
[01:03] <bob2> fr500: /var/local/syslog
[01:03] <ermo> mpq, it's not what most people would consider a real filesystem.
[01:03] <bob2> lok: that's what I said
[01:03] <bob2> bulio_II: yes
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok the error comes after ubuntu install formats the partitions..
[01:03] <bob2> mpq: also, it's slow and inefficient
[01:03] <mpq> didn't know that
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok or tryes to mount them
[01:03] <bulio_II> ok
[01:03] <lok> bob2, sorry I misunderstood
[01:03] <bob2> FAT is like "My First File System"
[01:03] <bulio_II> so this should work?
[01:04] <lok> Tannenbaum, with konoppix you can mount them
[01:04] <mpq> I didn't know fat was so bad
[01:04] <LordC> Does the regular install kernel accept scsi hdds, or do i need to use a special kernel?
[01:04] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/kubuntu/kubuntu.png
[01:04] <ermo> mpg, fat32 derived from fat16, which is derived from fat12 which was a bad idea to begin with. And so was the i8088. But let's not go there.
[01:04] <fr500> bob2, fnf
[01:04] <lok> mpq, the only advanteges is realy the write support by both linux and windows
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok yes, and with a Gentoo LiveCD too...
[01:05] <fr500> file not found
[01:05] <mpq> which is really the only thing I need it for
[01:05] <hawke_> lok: And it's fast because it's so simple
[01:05] <lok> Tannenbaum, your ubuntu cd it's a warty or a hoary ?
[01:05] <bob2> fr500: ?
[01:05] <ermo> mpq, lemme throw you a link
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok I've parted the disk using  fdisk and mk2fs -j
[01:05] <mpq> right now the only way I can transfer files between windows and linux is a 256MB flash drive
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok warty
[01:06] <fr500> bob2, file not found
[01:06] <fr500> i swera
[01:06] <fr500> swear
[01:06] <lok> wow it's very weird
[01:06] <lok> it is a sata hd ?
[01:06] <bob2> fr500: that's pretty amazing
[01:06] <Tannenbaum> lok yap...
[01:06] <bob2> fr500: er, /var/log/syslog
[01:06] <Tannenbaum> lok yes, sata
[01:07] <lok> Tannenbaum, the probleme can maybe be it
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> lok it's giving me a lot of problems
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> lok so I guesseed too..
[01:07] <ermo> mpq, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO.html#toc6
[01:07] <lok> try to install hoary instead of warty
[01:07] <spudse> Hi, i've got a 1,5 gb harddisk and i was wondering if i could install ubuntu on it
[01:07] <spudse> couldnt find it in the forums
[01:07] <bob2> spudse: the default install won't fit
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> mmm...
[01:08] <bob2> I wouldn't bother with the forums
[01:08] <lok> maybe the install kernel can handle it but it's strange that you can partition it but can't mount
[01:08] <mpq> ermo, it's not working
[01:08] <spudse> how do i do custom install ? because last time i installed it (on larger hd) it didnt ask for custom
[01:08] <ermo> mpq, really?
[01:08] <Tannenbaum> lok I don't now, but I'm going mad...
[01:08] <mpq> I think it's on my end
[01:09] <Tannenbaum> lok SATA is a hell of a pain..
[01:09] <mpq> I can't access any websites at all for some reason
[01:09] <mpq> yet IRC works fine
[01:09] <ermo> mpq, try navigating to tldp.org and find the filesystem howto
[01:09] <ermo> mpq, ... oh
[01:09] <lok> yeah I've a friend who have a sata ... and lots of probleme
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> lok gives you a lot of problems qwhen you recompile your own kernel...
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, can you 'traceroute'?
[01:10] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, can you 'nslookup'?
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, running ubuntu?
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> lok where can I download hoary
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> ?
[01:10] <mpq> ermo: yeah
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> mm..
[01:11] <bob2> spudse: archive_copier/copy=false
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> lok do you think I could try using a LiveCD?
[01:11] <mpq> I got "connection timed out"
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> lok partitioning with knoppix..
[01:12] <lok> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[01:12] <ermo> mpq, do you have 'Applications->System tools->Network tools' ?
[01:12] <lok> if you have a rw then I think use it .....
[01:12] <fr500> does cron requiere computer running 24/7? or something
[01:12] <mpq> ermo: yeah
[01:12] <fr500> doesnt seem to work
[01:12] <ermo> fr500, actually, yes (in a sense)
[01:13] <lok> try the install normal
[01:13] <mpq> it was working fine until I opened xchat
[01:13] <fr500> well it's mostly up since it's my main router
[01:13] <fr500> i work in an isp
[01:13] <mpq> now websites aren't loading
[01:13] <lok> or with a livecd you can always use a dbootstrap
[01:13] <fr500> it's a simple script to upload my current routing table to an ftp
[01:13] <LordC> Im seriously low on ideas here, can someone help me getting Ubuntu installed please.
[01:13] <LordC> Im using a SCSI system, if that matters - during install i get told setup is  to load some modules: amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect ide-floppy
[01:14] <ermo> fr500, there is a 'work-alike' replacement called 'anacron'
[01:14] <bob2> fr500: it requires the system to be running when the job is scheduled
[01:14] <lok> but it's harder to use than a good install
[01:14] <fr500> of course
[01:14] <bob2> LordC: ask on the mailing listr
[01:14] <fr500> it's running
[01:14] <ermo> fr500, which is geared towards workstations more than servers.
[01:14] <Tannenbaum> lok I've tryed normal install and it gives me problems too..
[01:14] <bob2> fr500: and the script works fine when run manually?
[01:14] <fr500> ermo, it's a server
[01:14] <fr500> bob2, yes of course
[01:14] <lok> yes ...
[01:15] <mpq> I blame my router
[01:15] <mpq> it's easy to blame my router
[01:15] <bob2> fr500: you know the difference between root and user crontabs, right?
[01:15] <lok> then try grumpy with 100 candle and status of most old divinity a night of full moon ;)
[01:15] <fr500> well it's supposed to be run as root
[01:15] <lok> s/grumpy/hoary
[01:15] <fr500> or superuser
[01:15] <ermo> mpq, well, you need to check that your resolver is working (software that translates names like tldp.org to ip-adresses)
[01:16] <bob2> fr500: yes, but you know the difference in format, right?
[01:16] <Tannenbaum> :)
[01:16] <fr500> not really, nothing in man
[01:16] <mpq> how do I check that?
[01:16] <fr500> or yes
[01:16] <bob2> fr500: there is
[01:16] <fr500> in man?
[01:17] <bob2> fr500: if it's the system crontab, you need to specify the user to run as
[01:17] <fr500> oh
[01:17] <ermo> mpq, with the network tools. "Fire it up" as the Starcraft flamethrower units so succintly put it.
[01:17] <spudse> Hello, how do i custom install ubuntu ? (im using 1,5 gb harddisk)
[01:17] <mpq> it's open, but what am I looking for?
[01:17] <fr500> bob2, that in man?
[01:17] <bob2> fr500: yes
[01:18] <ermo> mpq, lookup
[01:18] <bob2> spudse: I answered you already
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> ok..
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> thanks for your help..
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> I?ll keep looking...
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> or build it from scratch..
[01:18] <spudse> bob2 i was offline
[01:18] <spudse> i guess, system freeze
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> or shoot myself
[01:18] <lok> lol
[01:18] <fr500> wow, guess im blind
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> either one :)
[01:19] <bob2> 10:11:25           bob2 | spudse: archive_copier/copy=false
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> I?ll try the candle stuff..
[01:19] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[01:19] <CarlK2> just plugged in a HP dj 3320 usb printer to this warty box - "Add a printer" says "no printers detected" - is this normal?
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> seems very promising ;)
[01:19] <spudse> bob2: where do i type that, and what exacly does it do ?
[01:19] <thanatosys> I would like to share a valuable linux tip
[01:19] <lok> Tannenbaum, place it on a pentacle
[01:19] <thanatosys> dont remove the log files
[01:19] <thanatosys> i did and i have spend all afternoon reloading all of my installed stuff
[01:19] <ermo> thanatosys, you tell that to J Random Hacker
[01:19] <thanatosys> ?
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> ok, so long and thanks for all the fish
[01:20] <bob2> spudse: at the boot prompt
[01:20] <rattboi> where do you post ubuntu bug reporst?
[01:20] <rattboi> I've never done one
[01:20] <bob2> spudse: it stops the installer copying 600MB of .debs to the hard disk
[01:20] <bob2> rattboi: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:20] <thanatosys> is there a way to speed up the process of ripping cd's
[01:20] <bob2> thanatosys: get a better drive
[01:20] <thanatosys> takes forever lol
[01:20] <thanatosys> its a 24x heh
[01:20] <ermo> thanatosys, it was a pun. J Random Hacker is the 'John Doe' of hackers. Removing your tracks usually is a good idea for an intruder (=erasing/altering log files)
[01:20] <lok> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[01:20] <thanatosys> ahh i get it
[01:21] <thanatosys> well i always heard to delete or edit log files
[01:21] <bob2> thanatosys: 24x is a lie for audio cds
[01:21] <thanatosys> so i just deleted the one that the log viewer pointed to
[01:21] <rattboi> I really like the new ubuntu update manager, but there's a bug with the interface
[01:21] <spudse> bob2: but ubuntu wont come with any programs installed then ?
[01:21] <thanatosys> bad bad idea
[01:21] <CarlK2> thanatosys, 24x doesn't apply to audio ripping - thats a different (slower) spec that is burried somewhere
[01:21] <thanatosys> yea 24x is the speed of the drive
[01:21] <thanatosys> im ripping at 2.2-2.4x
[01:21] <bob2> spudse: it will be fine
[01:21] <spudse> okay cool :)
[01:21] <bob2> spudse: it just might take longer to install
[01:21] <spudse> i type it at the boot ?
[01:22] <bulio_II> Internet still working
[01:22] <bulio_II> *not
[01:22] <jupiterste> good evening
[01:22] <thanatosys> top of the evening to ya
[01:23] <jupiterste> i just installed ubuntu for the first time and have setup users, but am wondering how to prevent them from shutting down
[01:23] <jupiterste> i see the Logout panel that a normal user can shutdown
[01:23] <bob2> if they have physical access, that seems a bit pointless
[01:23] <fr500> well doesnt work
[01:23] <ermo> bob2, good point
[01:24] <fr500> i used crontab -u root -e
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: dude
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: did you read the crontab man page or not?
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: you need to check the "example system cron file" section
[01:24] <fr500> yes, but i dont see formating
[01:24] <bob2>        # m h dom mon dow user    command
[01:25] <bob2> you don't have a user column
[01:25] <spudse> bob2: where do i type --> archive_copier/copy=false
[01:25] <CarlK2> lsusb isn't returnning anything, or returning to the prompt
[01:25] <jupiterste> bob2: they could shut down if they are in through XDMCP, which I don't want
[01:25] <bob2> spudse: at the boot prompt
[01:25] <bob2> jupiterste: ok
[01:25] <bulio_II> internet doesn't work
[01:25] <bulio_II> tried the pppoeconf
[01:25] <spudse> okay thanks
[01:25] <fr500> bob2, well i cant find that section, all i did is man crontab
[01:25] <spudse> im trying it out
[01:25] <bob2> fr500: man 5 crontab
[01:26] <fr500> wow
[01:26] <fr500> thx a lot
[01:26] <edlang> My dear Ubuntu // thanks for today's big upgrade // my bandwidth is raped
[01:26] <ermo> jupiterste, try System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[01:27] <ermo> jupiterste, In the Security tab, there's an option disallowing that says 'Secure Actions menu'
[01:28] <ermo> jupiterste, boy, that was bad english
[01:28] <jupiterste> emro you could say it anyway you want :) i can't complain about free help
[01:29] <ermo> jupiterste,  In the Security tab, there's an option that says 'Secure Actions menu' <- is what I wanted to say
[01:29] <thanatosys> besides gimp what is the best photo editor in linux
[01:29] <jupiterste> ermo, i'm going to give it a shot, brb
[01:30] <Quarupt> anyone bult a working copy of gaim-vv yet?
[01:32] <ermo> fr500, in case you were wondering 'man 5 crontab' means that you want the crontab manual that deals with the format of the configuration file (yes, it's top secret, but true nonetheless. man man for more info)
[01:33] <ermo> (pun intended)
[01:33] <nix000> if anoyone who uses whereami can show how /etc/interfaces look like i'll apreciate
[01:33] <ermo> nix000, why not just use gnome-terminal and write 'man 5 interfaces'?
[01:34] <fr500> bob2, is this requiered?  /etc/backup.sh --report /etc/cron.daily
[01:34] <fr500> the --report thing
[01:35] <nix000> ermo: i already wasted hours on this .. i guess i could resort to loosing the same amount now that i feel i am close :-)
[01:36] <ermo> nix000, at the bottom of the man file, it says to take a look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdaown/examples/network-interfaces
[01:36] <jupiterste> ermo, no go
[01:36] <blizah> how do i "just uncomment the main lines in the sources.list first"
[01:36] <blizah> whats uncomment mean?
[01:36] <jupiterste> take the #s out
[01:36] <blizah> ah ok
[01:37] <nix000> ermo: having a laptop i am trying to switch between multiple wifi networks between home and work. thats is what wheami is supposed to make easier !
[01:37] <ermo> nix000, sorry. I guess I completely missed that part. My bad.
[01:37] <jupiterste> ermo, it just works as if the option wasn't selected, but isn't it true that ubuntu doesn't have a root password?
[01:38] <gurran> can somebody send me a URL to a HowTo i need to change a directory from Owner Root so i can read it..
[01:38] <ermo> jupiterste, did you use the 'standard greeter'? or the graphical one?
[01:38] <jupiterste> graphical
[01:38] <ermo> jupiterste, try the standard one.
[01:39] <nix000> qurran google for chmod root group user
[01:40] <gurran> didnt think chmod +rw would work but it did thank god
[01:40] <ermo> gurran, that would be 'thank GNU'
[01:40] <gurran> hehe srry thank gnu
[01:40] <Quarupt> we need a fact bot in here
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, no, we just happen to have an
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, 'not-so-unixy-userbase'
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, 'a' user...
[01:41] <nix000> gurran: thanks linux not gnu !
[01:42] <gurran> yeah yeah what ever
[01:43] <jupiterste> ermo, sorry it did actually make it ask for a password on the "Action" menu
[01:43] <ermo> gurran, did you get the vnc thingy work?
[01:43] <ermo> gurran, *to work, even
[01:43] <jupiterste> ermo, but i'm trying to prevent it when in a session under Computer - Logout
[01:45] <gurran> well no but somebody got my password to the Webmin and changed everything including the password so i need to set everything back to normal before i procced with the vnc problem
[01:48] <tub-> where r all the ladies
[01:52] <|QuaD-> hey, is there a package for the 2.6.11 restricted modules yet?
[01:54] <ammad> Is there something up with the archive?
[01:55] <mseney> why would synaptic say i have Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5 when uname -rsa says I have "Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686"?
[01:55] <tck> damn array-6 came out today, didnt even know :P
[01:55] <mseney> i didn't either
[01:57] <mseney> how do you upgrade to that ? $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:57] <|QuaD-> any developers know how to get the linux-restricted package compiled?
[01:57] <jesuel> mseney: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:58] <mseney> jesuel, oh i usually do that daily
[01:58] <mseney> jesuel, your saying if i have array-5 that it will bring me current w/ 6?
[01:58] <jesuel> I *believe* so, though i could be wrong :)
[01:59] <mseney> k
[01:59] <mseney> brb
[02:00] <jesuel> brb myself
[02:01] <Elsidox> Kubuntu rules
[02:01] <Elsidox> =)
[02:01] <trans_err> Elsidox: kubuntu?
[02:01] <Elsidox> trans_err, the kde version of ubuntu
[02:02] <delltony> i don't know how to ask this so i will give it a shot is it normal to see like a drag effect when maximizing and minimizing your windows? what i mean is you see the border of the dialogbox board trace itself down to the panel tray and then if you maximize you see the boards get bigger and bigger till the application appears
[02:02] <trans_err> Elsidox: heh- i use it and never knew it was called that
[02:03] <Elsidox> trans_err, lol. join #kubuntu. Its were all use cool kde peps hang out. =)
[02:03] <fr500> ahahaha doesnt work
[02:03] <Elsidox> us cool*
[02:03] <fr500> -_-
[02:03] <trans_err> Elsidox: its not any different from installing kde in ubuntu?
[02:03] <trans_err> rightr?
[02:04] <Riddell> trans_err: we have an ISO now
[02:04] <Elsidox> trans_err, sure it is.
[02:04] <EricNeon> morning all~
[02:04] <trans_err> Elsidox: can I migrate from an existing KDE install?
[02:04] <trans_err> err ubuntu install
[02:04] <Riddell> trans_err: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <CarlK> I have a 1 week old hoary server - what do I need to add to it to host an HPdj 3320 usb printer?  (other box is a full warty install)
[02:04] <MindZEye> How is it different?  I'm currently running KDE from a Ubuntu install.
[02:05] <Elsidox> trans_err, ask Riddell. Hes a dev. An awesome one.
[02:05] <trans_err> Riddell: <3
[02:05] <Elsidox> trans_err, and join #Kubuntu =P
[02:05] <Elsidox> lol
[02:05] <Riddell> MindZEye: it's not different, just kubuntu-devel is our pick of the packages (and still needs refining) and we have an ISO that Elsidox is about to test
[02:06] <Elsidox> Riddell, the isos done burning so ill see you when its done installing. =)
[02:06] <Elsidox> Riddell, thx again. (for kubuntu) =)
[02:08] <delltony> after doing the kubuntu-desktop do ou have to choose kde from sessions or is it defaulted to kde after that?
[02:08] <fredx> anyone willing to answer a few questions? I just installed ubuntu for the first time
[02:08] <Riddell> delltony: when it installs kdm it should give you an option
[02:09] <delltony> in sessions though correct?
[02:09] <Riddell> delltony: oh not sure what the default is, I shold find that out really
[02:10] <tck> hmm amaroK isn't in synaptic
[02:10] <tck> am i mispelling it ?
[02:10] <delltony> well what i'm wondering is this do i have to type the kdm command to load the desktopmanager or select it from a menu?
[02:10] <tck> ah its kde based
[02:12] <delltony> 250 packages must be some kinda sweetness ;)
[02:12] <regeya_> indeed, amaroK is kde-based
[02:12] <technodude90> how come when I mount my fat32 file system with Ubuntu it thinks that folders in the hierarchy are files?
[02:12] <regeya_> the only place I've seen amarok packages is kalypso, but I haven't looked in some time
[02:13] <MZE> Amarok is in the standard AMD64 repositories I think.
[02:13] <tck> haven't used it yet, a few peeps were recommending it
[02:13] <tck> totem is just annoying to use, vlc is alot better
[02:13] <Riddell> amarok is in there, it may not be in main yet I'm not sure
[02:13] <regeya_> it's a nice player...amarok is more "competitive" with rhythmbox
[02:14] <regeya_> comparing amarok and totem is like comparing rhythmbox and kaffeine...doesn't make sense
[02:14] <technodude90> I did mount /dev/hda1 /mnt and it mounted my fat32 as a vfat file system
[02:14] <MZE> I'm listening to tracks on it now.  :)  I think it might be time to try out the iPod functionality.
[02:14] <regeya_> or comparing dpkg to yum
[02:14] <technodude90> When I look at my directories in the console they appear as directories
[02:14] <technodude90> In metacity, it thinks that these directories are files and thus will not open them
[02:15] <delltony> aww Riddell i see what you mean it promps you for the default
[02:17] <Riddell> delltony: and I hope you went for KDM :)
[02:17] <delltony> well i didn't i left it at gdm hope that doesn't matter
[02:18] <delltony> i want to test the pie before i buy
[02:18] <delltony> :P
[02:20] <mdz> Riddell: amarok is not in main yet
[02:20] <rommer> can someone help a noob to install a network device
[02:21] <delltony> Riddell, all i can say is wowwwwwwwwwwwwww :)
[02:21] <Fr0d0> hi
[02:22] <Riddell> mdz: it's in the seeds though.  is it on the CD?
[02:22] <Fr0d0> I just copied my first dvd fully in Ubuntu
[02:23] <spudse> bob2: is this the exact boot --> linux archive_copier/copy=false
[02:23] <spudse> because it didnt work
[02:23] <mdz> Riddell: no, the CD is built from main
[02:23] <spudse> it was still upacking from hd
[02:23] <mdz> Riddell: amarok was excluded from the metapackage dependencies because it wasn't in main
[02:23] <delltony> Riddell, one thing the fonts in here xchat are small as crap any way to fix that ? never  used kde before
[02:24] <rommer> can someone help me to install a ethernet device in ubuntu (broadcom440 lan)
[02:24] <delltony> aww i see whats a good font for xchat? size and font?
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> delltony: yes, anything fixed width
[02:24] <Riddell> delltony: xchat isn't a KDE app
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> like 'monospace'
[02:25] <mdz> rommer: 440 or 4400?
[02:25] <Fr0d0> Hi again delltony...how do you make a program an exec file...forgive me for my lack of knowledge
[02:25] <rommer> can't remember
[02:25] <mdz> rommer: 4400 should just work.  I'm not sure about 440
[02:25] <delltony> oh you asking about executing
[02:25] <rommer> thats probably it then
[02:25] <rommer> it should just work
[02:25] <delltony> you use perl,python,bash
[02:26] <rommer> well its not just working for me
[02:26] <delltony> aww this is much better and im assuming there is a way to change the name on the side of this kde "startbutton"
[02:26] <mdz> rommer: I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit more specific
[02:26] <delltony> this is so cool the graphics are pardon the language but kick ass
[02:26] <Fr0d0> ok that is like French to me, but I'm guessing I type that first in command line
[02:27] <delltony> Fr0d0, pm me
[02:27] <Fr0d0> how?
[02:27] <Fr0d0> lol
[02:27] <spudse> anybody else can help a newb with installing ubuntu to 1.5 gb harddisk ?
[02:27] <Fr0d0> new to irc too
[02:27] <Fr0d0> IM A NEWB
[02:27] <spudse> new to irc ? where have you been ? ;)
[02:27] <siimo> does ubuntu include the pine mail client ?
[02:27] <rommer> hmm i went into device manager, at the bottom is bcm4401 100Base-T-> Vendor :Broadcom
[02:28] <rommer> so it looks like it has found it
[02:28] <delltony> type /msg delltony hi
[02:28] <Riddell> delltony: not yet, branding with pretty kubuntu pictures is still to come
[02:29] <delltony> ok well the idea is grand keep up the good work
[02:29] <delltony> at least in here you can actually change the menu's instead of gnome's pain in the ass way now days
[02:29] <delltony> i wrote that application to do it in a gui but still its a pain
[02:30] <hank> Anyone, know anything about getting wireless network cards to work or were I might ind out
[02:30] <hank> with ubuntu ofcourse
[02:30] <delltony> ndiswrapper
[02:31] <delltony> find your driver (windows driver) and then ndiswrapper -i <inffilehere>
[02:31] <delltony> then ndiswrapper -l to see if it took it
[02:31] <delltony> then ndiswrapper -m to make the alias
[02:31] <delltony> then modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:32] <hank> mm, okay. I'll try that. Where might I find the windows driver? On the windows partition I take it?
[02:32] <kaos> I keep getting this message at the bash prompt when I do this :
[02:32] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:32] <kaos> bash: ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: Permission denied
[02:32] <kaos> wtf
[02:32] <kaos> anyone
[02:32] <delltony> well generally from your manufactors website like with me i have a dell
[02:32] <delltony> so the windows drivers were on there
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, try chmod +x ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> um
[02:33] <kaos> thanks siimo I'll give it a go
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> that's because it's an rpm
[02:33] <kerframil> kaos: you're not supposed to execute an rpm
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> you will want then 'bin'
[02:33] <StoffBox-Steve> .rpm on ubuntu ?
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> *the
[02:33] <wavefunction> 'nite.
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, oh its a RPM ,
[02:33] <StoffBox-Steve> ubuntu use .deb package not rpm
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, you should get the self extracting package from java site
[02:34] <hank> OKay great. THanks, you're very helpful
[02:34] <StoffBox-Steve> kaos, you have to load the .bin file from the sun.com website
[02:34] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # chmod +x ./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm
[02:34] <kaos> chmod: failed to get attributes of `./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm': No such file or directory
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, forget that
[02:35] <delltony> Kaos, there is a great step by step instruction on the ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <delltony> for installing java
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, try this instead  'alien -i ./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm'
[02:35] <StoffBox-Steve> delet that rpm file you cant use it on ubuntu kaos
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, you might have to apt-get install alien
[02:35] <delltony> why not use the bin file ?
[02:35] <kerframil> kaos: an apt source is available - it's unofficial but I daresay it will serve your needs better
[02:35] <kaos> well i tried ./sundl.bin and it just agravates me
[02:35] <siimo> well he can save the download again
[02:35] <kerframil> kaos: http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/Documentation.shtml
[02:36] <wavefunction> I've followed the instructions on the howto's but I just cannot make my pcmcia/wireless network card (DWL-G650+) function. It was simple and fast when I did it function on Crux Linux, so it isn't the card problem. Any idea ?
[02:36] <mseney> i still don't understand the difference between Hoary 5.04 Array 5 and 6. I'm still very new to ubuntu and installed off the Hoary 5.04 Array-5 CD I made. I always update daily so how can I tell if I have Array 6?
[02:36] <delltony> did you update or dist-upgrade?
[02:36] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # alien -i j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `read': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `manifest': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `failed:': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `Success': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:36] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:36] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[02:36] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: `; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --p reserve-modification-time) 2>&1'
[02:36] <kerframil> kaos: here's some more instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 (I can vouch that it works perfectly)
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: do not do that
[02:36] <mseney> delltony, me?
[02:36] <kaos> Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Packa ge/Rpm.pm line 164.
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: read manifest fail ed: Success\n-j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm: read manifest failed: Success\n/j2re -1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: read manifest failed: Success\n': No such file or dire ctory
[02:36] <delltony> yes
[02:36] <kerframil> kaos: just use the apt source
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: and do not post it here
[02:37] <kaos> mv: invalid option -- j
[02:37] <kaos> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: -type: command not found
[02:37] <Quarupt> Howcome when i plug my thumbdrive in it doesnt mount anymore?
[02:37] <kaos> Argument "j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:" isn't numeric in bitwise and (&) at /us r/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 203, <GETPERMS> line 1.
[02:37] <zenrox> kaos read www.ubuntuguide.org for instustions on how to install java
[02:37] <kaos> Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Packa ge/Rpm.pm line 222, <GETPERMS> line 1.
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `read': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `manifest': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `failed:': File exists
[02:37] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* #flood
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `Success': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: /debian: No such file or directory
[02:37] <mseney> delltony, um after $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade advised me there were 14 packages I could get yes just a few minutes ago
[02:37] <Quarupt> DUDe use #flood or pastebin
[02:37] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[02:37] <delltony> dist-upgrade will give you array 6 or whatever the current snapshot is
[02:37] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: `; patch -p1)'
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: -name: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> patch failed with .rej fi
[02:37] <kaos> well I have alien so it says
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: please do not flood in here.
[02:37] <zenrox> kaos read www.ubuntuguide.org for instustions on how to install java
[02:37] <arbeck> can someone help me with cdrecord
[02:38] <rattboi24> I hate to sound like a retard, especially with it on the boards as much as it is, but I'm wondering how to update my nvidia drivers since I updated my kernel?
[02:38] <delltony> ok then if you did dist-upgrade you should be running the latest greatest
[02:38] <siimo> kaos, like i said use alien
[02:38] <siimo> kaos, if you really want to use that RPM you downloaded
[02:38] <StoffBox-Steve> dont post more than 2 - 3 lines of code in this channel kaos
[02:38] <rattboi24> I see that there is nvidia-kernel deb, but it's for 2.6.8, I believe?
[02:38] <arbeck> cdrdao works great, but i gnomebaker and cdrecord don't
[02:38] <kerframil> kaos: please do not use alien or rpm, it's really quite simple
[02:38] <mseney> delltony, what is the latest i686 kernel w/ Array 6?
[02:38] <kerframil> kaos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[02:38] <kaos> alright my apologies
[02:39] <StoffBox-Steve> when you are not a modem user; the easy way is to the bin file and install it ...
[02:39] <kerframil> kaos: you only need to add an additional apt source and you will be able to use apt-get/synaptic as per normal
[02:39] <delltony> let me see what i'm running
[02:39] <johnwl> not sure about cdrecord..using K3b here
[02:39] <kaos> I just needed a solution to a problem I don't very much want to pretend to understand
[02:39] <delltony> i think i'm on 2.6.10-4-686
[02:39] <mseney> delltony, synaptic says i have Linux 2.6.10-5-686 but uname says I have -4?
[02:39] <delltony> let me check mine
[02:39] <mseney> k
[02:40] <siimo> mseney, maybe you are running -4 but you do have -5
[02:40] <mseney> siimo, it didn't make an entry in the /boot/grub/menu.1st
[02:40] <delltony> i'm running 4
[02:40] <arbeck> johnwl: i don't want to install k3b because of all the qt stuff i'd have to grab
[02:40] <Quarupt> whats the easiest way to mount a usb drive?
[02:40] <siimo> mseney, not sure if you can have both though thought -5 was a update to -4
[02:41] <arbeck> arbeck: i've written some python scripts to burn audio cd's... but as of right now i'm not able to burn a data cd
[02:41] <siimo> mseney, what does this say: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[02:41] <mseney> siimo, ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.10-19      Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386
[02:41] <mseney> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.10-25      Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on PPr
[02:41] <mseney> ii  linux-image-68 2.6.10-5       Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/
[02:42] <tritium> mseney, did you reboot yet after installing it?
[02:42] <mseney> i've rebooted since checking w/ synaptic which version i have
[02:42] <siimo> mseney, ok you have 3 kernels then
[02:42] <Fr0d0> Dell...in room
[02:43] <Quarupt> My thumb drive usually shows up in the "places" menu? but its not now, how can i access it?
[02:43] <Quarupt> ?
[02:45] <johnwl> i didnt have to grab a bunch of QT stuff to run K3b...or did I somehow do that without knowing about it?
[02:46] <kerframil> johnwl: it requires qt and kdelibs, no question about that ;)
[02:46] <kerframil> Quarupt: you might try kickstarting the gnome-panel again: kill -HUP `pidof gnome-panel`
[02:46] <johnwl> so apt-get install k3b will grab qt and kdelibs?
[02:47] <kerframil> johnwl: for the answers: apt-cache show k3b | less
[02:48] <kerframil> johnwl: see the "Depends:" line
[02:48] <jesuel> mm fppd
[02:48] <jesuel> err food
[02:48] <thanatosys> hey hey hey
[02:48] <thanatosys> whats goin on fellow ubuntu users
[02:48] <johnwl> kerframil oooh nice command lol. thx.
[02:49] <kerframil> np
[02:50] <tck> does xmms have a traydock icon ?
[02:50] <kcs> hile, I installed pyphany for epiphany, select console in extensions, but it doesnt appear in tools menu, has someone any idea?
[02:50] <membreya> kerframil: is there a page that shows all the apt commands..cos there seems to be a ton of them
[02:50] <thanatosys> wmxmms
[02:50] <thanatosys> i think that is it
[02:50] <tck> used that before
[02:50] <tck> terrible
[02:50] <johnwl> so is there any reason, other than philosophical, to avoid QT and the KDE libs?
[02:51] <bob2> tck: in the xmms-status-plugin package
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: not that I know of (yet) as I'm a Gentoo user and a relative Debian noob
[02:51] <zenrox> tck,  ya its a plugin for xmms called status plug
[02:51] <toothpick> Will the kubuntu cd do a hd install?
[02:51] <bob2> membreya: man apt-get
[02:51] <tck> cheers peeps!
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: if you just type apt-cache --help and apt-get --help then that's 90% of the important stuff covered
[02:51] <bob2> toothpick: the install cd will
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: and, of course, the man pages
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: apt-setup is also very useful
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: not really
[02:53] <tck> hmm that status-plugin for xmms works
[02:53] <johnwl> woo-hoo
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: here's another good one btw: sudo apt-get -s install k3b
[02:53] <johnwl> whats the -s?
[02:53] <tck> but the window is still visible when minimised :/
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: the -s will actually ensure that it does nothing; rather it will show you what it would do if it were allowed to perform the operation
[02:53] <johnwl> very nice..thank you.
[02:54] <kerframil> which is another approach to the same issue
[02:54] <johnwl> apt-get is the best thing ever...always wondered what the Debian peeps were so giddy about
[02:54] <kerframil> yes, it is an excellent system
[02:55] <spudse> i've got a question regarding ram, ive got a 512 sdram chip which look like this, ###### ######, now i also got a chip (64mb) that looks like this ### ##### ########, how are they called ?
[02:55] <kerframil> johnwl: everything else that I've seen just seems to be a hack by comparison (portage notwithstanding)
[02:56] <toothpick> I've yet to use portage...but one day I'll try it.
[02:56] <spudse> question aswered sorry :)
[02:56] <colin__> is there a clearlooks engine deb for ubuntu floating around?
[02:56] <johnwl> kerframil: it's just so fast. I came from SUSE and Yast is easy but clunky and slow.
[02:56] <kerframil> sure
[02:57] <beowuff> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and
[02:57] <kerframil> toothpick: it's very good. obviously, apt is more mature and has a few benefits of its own (such as excellent reverse dependency handling)
[02:57] <kerframil> then again, portage has some cool tricks up its sleeve too
[02:57] <thenuke> spudse: well, the one with two empty spaces looks like DDR SDRAM
[02:58] <beowuff> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and Debian. Was wondering about upgrades. When a new version of ubuntu comes out, do you need to upgrade from a cd, or can you do it online through Ubuntu?
[02:58] <kerframil> beowuff: yes, you can do it online
[02:58] <bob2> beowuff: online, of course
[02:58] <Quarupt> I habet gotten any updates today, has anyone else?
[02:58] <Quarupt> havent
[02:58] <johnwl> beowuff: Read this on updates. good info: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#ubuntuupdates
[02:59] <johnwl> The unofficial starter guide is your friend...it's an awesome resource.
[02:59] <beowuff> Cool. Going to try ubuntu on my sony viao this weekend.
[03:00] <johnwl> go through the starter guide step by step and in 20-30 minutes you'll be nicely configured..esp. for multimedia
[03:00] <hank> hey Tony. Is ndiswrapper a standard ubuntu command? doesn't seem to do anything
[03:00] <delltony> you have to download it
[03:00] <hank> ahh sweet/
[03:00] <hank> thanks
[03:01] <scot_> hello all, I am working on a fresh install, a convert from FC.  I am having very slow DNS resolution.  I am thinking that it is a matter of IPV6.  How can I turn off IPV6??
[03:01] <hank> can I use apt-get to install it?
[03:01] <mdz> hank: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:01] <mdz> hank: however, it's not included on the Ubuntu 4.10 CD (it is there in the development releases)
[03:02] <hank> great, thanks mdz
[03:02] <beowuff> Anybody running winex?
[03:02] <johnwl> not here
[03:03] <bob2> beowuff: #cedega is a better place to get support for that
[03:03] <StoffBox-Steve> spudse,  ####### ###### = DDR(2) SDRAM ### #### ######## = SDRAM ( older than DDR )
[03:03] <bob2> or talk to transgaming directly
[03:03] <delltony> speakign of ndiswrapper i have yet to understand why i have to do a ifdown ifup everytime i start gnome for my network to kick in
[03:03] <beowuff> Not asking for support. Just wondering how it runs on ubuntu.
[03:03] <zenrox> beowuff,  it works
[03:03] <zenrox> lol
[03:03] <delltony> the module and all loads fine but its as if the network trys to go up before the module kicks in
[03:05] <usual> what do I need to install to have totem play wmv's?
[03:05] <scot_> yo yo yo, help a brother out.  How can I disable IPV6???
[03:05] <hank> what's winex? a simulator?\
[03:05] <bob2> usual: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <bob2> hank: www.transgaming.com
[03:05] <bob2> scot_: that's come up numerous times on the lists
[03:06] <usual> bob2, ok, I got everything playing except those, well the wmv audio plays just not the video
[03:06] <scot_> can you point me at a faq? or a howto??
[03:06] <bob2> usual: sounds like you need some el-dodgo windows dlls
[03:06] <bob2> assuming you're on i386
[03:06] <usual> yeah
[03:07] <usual> bob2, instructions anywhere on using dll's?
[03:07] <bob2> 12:05:38           bob2 | usual: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:08] <usual> bob2, ok, I searched the page for dll and it didn't find anything..I'll look around though
[03:08] <bob2> usual: w32codecs from marillat's repository
[03:08] <usual> i see
[03:08] <usual> ty
[03:14] <zenrox> all the probs for the day are sulved
[03:14] <zenrox> woohoo
[03:14] <zenrox> alt least we can hope
[03:14] <blizah> to run counterstrike i use wine or another such program?
[03:14] <blizah> nope..
[03:15] <zenrox> blizah,  yep
[03:15] <zenrox> google will be your friend
[03:15] <zenrox> too
[03:15] <bob2> blizah: http://lhl.linuxgames.com/
[03:15] <bob2> which is, shockingly, the first hit for "linux half life"
[03:16] <zenrox> lol
[03:17] <dazed> god i love linux
[03:17] <dazed> :)
[03:17] <compmanio36> yo my ppl
[03:18] <dazed> i have a question for anyone who knows about gkrellm ...i saw a screen shot with a volume bar on someones gkrellm and i would like to know how to get it...if its a plugin where to get it how to install?
[03:18] <bob2> scot_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2381
[03:18] <zenrox> dazed,  its a plugin
[03:18] <Fr0d0> dell: got an error  I sudo php --g addmenu.php  and got an error
[03:18] <bob2> dazed:  apt-cache search volume gkrellmm
[03:19] <delltony> what error?
[03:19] <Fr0d0> come private
[03:19] <hiweed> hey all, is there any other irc chanel for Ubuntu Developers?
[03:19] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[03:19] <PacoBCN> pretty late here but nice to find someone still awake
[03:19] <bob2> hank: yes, but it's for actual development
[03:20] <bob2> not for asking questions
[03:20] <PacoBCN> hey guys, did any of you managed to install/use flumotion?
[03:20] <bob2> er, hiweed
[03:20] <utsav_> what's that?
[03:21] <bob2> PacoBCN: jdub did
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: thanks. I am a developer of Hiweed-
[03:21] <dazed> once i installed the volume package should it show up in my plugs?
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: thanks. I am a developer of Hiweed-Debian GNU/Linux
[03:21] <bob2> hiweed: #ubuntu-devel
[03:21] <ggeecko> what is a good mpeg player to use??
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: ktks
[03:21] <wavefunction> 'nite. I just couldn't get my D-link DWL-G650+ to work with "warty". I had a successful configuration with CRUX linux and thought it could be a kernel problem (I used 2.6.10 in CRUX). Got a knoppix-based distro called kurumin and ... it was a piece of cake. Kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-kanotix-10.
[03:21] <bob2> ggeecko: xine
[03:21] <zenrox> dazed,  with a little config in gkrellm
[03:21] <zenrox> ggeecko, gxine
[03:22] <jdub> PacoBCN: http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/ :-)
[03:22] <dazed> i knew that lol
[03:23] <rommer> how can i log in as administrator?
[03:23] <utsav_> wavefunction: Did you try using drivers from the chipsets site instead of the ones from dlink with ndiswrapper?
[03:23] <utsav_> rommer: you use sudo
[03:23] <bluefoxicy> http://bash.org/?469064
[03:23] <billytwowilly> is there a formal way to request a package?
[03:23] <PacoBCN> jdob, is that a video stream?
[03:23] <rommer> utsav_: i login with my normal user account then go to terminal?
[03:24] <bob2> PacoBCN: yes
[03:24] <Rockett17> anyone here ever tried to use a tv card with the ati drivers?
[03:24] <bob2> rommer: yes
[03:24] <rommer> thanks
[03:24] <wavefunction> utsav_, what are "drivers from chipset" ? I used the drive that came with the adapter, from a CD.
[03:24] <ggeecko> bob2: is it apt-get install xine??
[03:24] <billytwowilly> Rockett17, last I heard the ati all in wonders don't work. atleast not the tv tuner portion.
[03:24] <wavefunction> s/drive/driver
[03:24] <bob2> ggeecko: gxine, yes
[03:24] <utsav_> rommer:   there's a place on the wiki that gives a howto
[03:25] <CarlK> hoary server, what do I need to apt-get to host a usb printer?
[03:25] <Rockett17> i have a seperate tv card.. but tvtime doesnt open and xawtv just blacks out the xserver
[03:25] <PacoBCN> cool, never manged to use a java applet to display it?
[03:25] <utsav_> wavefunction:  I had to go online and grab them from realtek for my dlink.. it just wouldn't budge with ndiswrapper and the one on the CD
[03:25] <ggeecko> bob2: says that is couldnt find gxine
[03:25] <bob2> ggeecko: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:25] <utsav_> wavefunction: It wouldn't work with the drivers from even dlink's site
[03:26] <hank> when I've installed the inffile and I then list the drivers should it find the hardware? Mine says hardware not present
[03:26] <utsav_> rommer: you can type sudo passwd to set the admin password
[03:28] <jdub> rommer: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:28] <jdub> rommer: don't set the root password, use sudo
[03:29] <utsav_> I'm jsut curiosu what's the advantage of sudo?
[03:29] <rommer> ok thanks
[03:29] <wavefunction> utsav_, In my case DWL-G650+ uses a TI (Texas Instruments) chipset. It is a ACX111. I've found acx100.sf.net. So I think I should try it to get work with ubuntu.
[03:29] <bob2> utsav_: read that page
[03:30] <utsav_> wavefunction	Oh, I just assumed that you were using ndiswrapper right away
[03:30] <utsav_> wavefunction , my bad
[03:30] <wavefunction> utsav_, The weird thing is why does it functions with CRUX, Kurumin, etc and not with Ubuntu ... :(
[03:31] <utsav_> wavefunction , sorry 'boot that.. I've only ever used ndiswrapper.. (silly realtek chipset)
[03:31] <wavefunction> utsav_, No, you were right. I *am* using ndiswrapper right now with Kurumin. I also used it with CRUX. But it does not function with Ubuntu.
[03:32] <utsav_> wavefunction : I think the ndiswrapper with warty is a bit dated... can you compare the versions you were using?
[03:32] <CarlK> why does /etc/papersize default to A4?
[03:34] <hank> im using ndiswrapper atm with ubuntu asweel
[03:34] <hank> aswell
[03:34] <utsav_> Ithink that's 8.5x11 , which is all we use up north in Canada
[03:34] <hank> it uses the driver but doesn't appear to find the hardware
[03:34] <utsav_> I had that problem once.. I had to find another driver
[03:35] <utsav_> I had to use the one from realtek instead of dlink
[03:35] <utsav_> try a similar/older/different driver
[03:35] <utsav_> but first check the wiki at ndiswrapper.sf.net to see if your card is supported
[03:36] <hank> okay thanks, I'll check
[03:36] <Quarupt> Is there any like Ejay ports or anything for music, something like reason or fruity loops?
[03:36] <Quarupt> any music creation software
[03:37] <utsav_> Is  that a like a spiral synthesizer?
[03:37] <neom> I'm running apache on my ubuntu box. The DocumentRoot points to a mount. That mount is a mount of a shared folder on a remote windows box. Within the mount, i have created to other mounts to other folders on this remote windows box. When viewing the site, these just show up as directorys witin the index page. I need to protect one of the folders. I tired htaccess, but for some reason it didn't work. Suggestions?
[03:37] <Quarupt> ?
[03:37] <Quarupt> anyone know of any?
[03:37] <johnwl> dumb question..i want to set permissions on a directory and all its sub dirs and files..is there a way to do that in nautilus or is it easier to chmod from the command line?
[03:38] <wavefunction> utsav_, I'll build it by hand and try to recompile the kernel, a vanila one. I think it is a *patch*/kernel problem.
[03:38] <Quarupt> just launch Naut as root
[03:38] <Quarupt> and go for it
[03:38] <utsav_> Quarupt, I tried some music editors in linux a while back.. There was rosegarden ,audacity and some smaller apps.. There's pbbly more know, but that's all I can think of
[03:38] <bob2> johnwl: probably easier to use chmod
[03:38] <wavefunction> utsav_, Anyway, thanks for your time. :)
[03:38] <johnwl> Quarupt: try this site http://linux-sound.org/ddj.html
[03:38] <LinuxJones> johns_, chmod -R
[03:38] <utsav_> wavefunction , Ididn't have to recompile the kernel
[03:38] <Quarupt> utsav_, are those just for editing or creating?
[03:39] <johnwl> thx guys
[03:39] <hank> I'd like good music software too quarupt
[03:39] <utsav_> both
[03:39] <LinuxJones> johns_, sorry that was for johnwl  chmod -R
[03:39] <utsav_> 	utsav, audacity does editing, rosegarden can do some composing
[03:39] <equex> Guys, check this site out www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[03:39] <equex> Really cool
[03:40] <utsav_> I have a question.. I can't get my alps touchpad to work like a touchpad.. works fine as a mouse.. It looks like the kernel can't find it to be an alps when I do cat /proc/bus/input/devices.. It shows ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse.  Any ideas?
[03:40] <equex> You can find the solution here www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[03:40] <utsav_> Iknow it's an alps 'cause windows says it is
[03:40] <utsav_> but I'm stuck on this one
[03:40] <rommer> am i able to get to 'Network Settings' without being root/administrator?
[03:41] <Amaranth> bleh, stupid political activists
[03:41] <Amaranth> oh, gnaa
[03:41] <neom> Anyone know anything about my problem?
[03:41] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah
[03:42] <Quarupt> wow this Tetris techno song is cool
[03:42] <Devinci> utsav_ try the synaptics driver, I have a touchpad and this driver works pretty well
[03:42] <utsav_> Devinci	, I tried, but the Xorg.0.log says it can't load it
[03:42] <bob2> neom: sounds like you misconfigured the htaccess file
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> what the
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> where'd gnomebaker go o.o
[03:43] <utsav_> Devinci , tpconfig -l also says there is no synaptics hardware
[03:43] <neom> bob2 - It could be, I wasn't sure if I should put the passwd file on the linux box or the windows box.
[03:43] <neom> And what path to use.
[03:43] <bob2> neom: ? it's one filesystem
[03:43] <neom> No..
[03:44] <neom> Because the .htaccess file is on the remote windows box.
[03:44] <bob2> indeed
[03:44] <Devinci> cant you just manually add the alps driver in xorg.conf?
[03:44] <spudse> I thought firefox blocks popups :)
[03:44] <bob2> but it doesn't matter whether you put it there on windows or linux, it's the same filesystem
[03:44] <Devinci> or XF86Config-4
[03:44] <neom> oh
[03:44] <bob2> spudse: some idiots worked around it
[03:44] <spudse> too bad
[03:45] <PacoBCN> indeed
[03:45] <Amaranth> not difficult
[03:45] <neom> bob2 - Either way, it dosn't work, heh.
[03:45] <utsav_> Devinci , I suspect the synaptics is supposed to cover the alps
[03:45] <spudse> thought it was some opensource website about freedom or stuff like that :)
[03:45] <Amaranth> i figured it was right-wing bullshit
[03:46] <hank> What was with that website? It opened up a million windows andI had to reboot?!
[03:46] <bob2> it's an idiot troll
[03:46] <hank> ahh, what losers pursue these ends
[03:46] <hank> ?
[03:46] <Quarupt> Im taking a Unix Intro class next quarter will it be relivant to Linux?
[03:46] <Quarupt> like CMI stuff?
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:46] <zenrox> Quarupt, yes
[03:46] <Quarupt> cool
[03:47] <Quarupt> But probably Not X stuff
[03:47] <Quarupt> huh
[03:47] <zenrox> linux unix are basckly the same
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: it's all about building blocks
[03:47] <PacoBCN> dammit, now I realize I don't have sound :S
[03:47] <zenrox> Quarupt, yes probly xstuff
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: once you understand the way the system works you can do cool stufff
[03:47] <hank> Mmm, ndiswrapper aint going to gung ho for me, anyone with another wireless network card detection soltuion?
[03:47] <Quarupt> Not Linux is something Linus made from Unix its a variant
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> stuff
[03:48] <bob2> Quarupt: no, it's not
[03:48] <bob2> Linux is completely independant of Unix, it just looks a lot like it
[03:48] <bob2> it was written from scratch
[03:48] <utsav_> Well thanks anyhoo, I figure I'll just wait for the kernel release, that always fixes everything.
[03:48] <zenrox> and acts like unix
[03:48] <Quarupt> Thats what im saying lol
[03:48] <Quarupt> My argument is that there different
[03:48] <calc> gar
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: don't bother arguing that until you understand what you're arguing about :)
[03:48] <calc> faac/faad in multiverse is bunged up
[03:49] <Quarupt> also a CCNE
[03:49] <hank> Oh, btw, where is there a listing of all the repositories?
[03:49] <Quarupt> ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <hank> really? I'll check it out again. didnt see it there.
[03:49] <bob2> linux certification's don't tend to cover "history of the linux source code"
[03:50] <Quarupt> its on that page
[03:50] <hank> im an idiot
[03:50] <mdz> there are plenty of UNIX history web pages out there if anyone is curious
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: There's always someone cooler than you
[03:51] <calc> erm is there another version of faac outside of ubuntu that isn't castrated?
[03:51] <Quarupt> Let me educate you about Linus Trovalds, because i can allready tell i learned more about him then you have, in my Open-source history class last quarter
[03:51] <zenrox> ya goggle can be your freind too mdz
[03:51] <zenrox> lol
[03:52] <Brunellus> anybody have any ideas as to how to get bittorrent running on warty?
[03:53] <bob2> Brunellus: install bittornado
[03:53] <bob2> Quarupt: a) I doubt that, b) it's off-topic
[03:54] <mdz> HrdwrBoB, Quarupt easy, folks.  There's no need to argue about it here; as I said, there's plenty of information out there if anyone is curious
[03:54] <Quarupt> I don't care, don't try to talk about things you don't understand, you make yourself sound dumb, and im not gunna be like you and try to flame, just no your place
[03:54] <Brunellus> huzzah.
[03:54] <Brunellus> I'd installed "bittorrent"
[03:54] <Quarupt> ./ignore
[03:54] <Brunellus> I didn't know bittornado was what was needed
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> hey, I'm cool
[03:56] <hank> you can download Azurias. Just follow the directions at ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <rommer> hurrah for network access!
[03:58] <PacoBCN> I really wish there will be a backport for gaim-vv
[03:59] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[03:59] <mac_n_cheez> anyone there?
[04:00] <zenrox> PacoBCN, gaim-vv uses an older ver of gaim
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[04:00] <zenrox> mac_n_cheez, yep i am here i think
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> ah
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> ok
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> why does ubuntu ship without kde? does anyone know?
[04:00] <calc> mac_n_cheez: its in univers
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> couldn't get it installed last night
[04:01] <bob2> mac_n_cheez: because it won't fit on a single CD
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> is it available for ppc also?
[04:01] <Fr0d0> Tony:  got this error, "Warning: unknown mime-type for "menu" -- using "application/*"
[04:01] <Fr0d0> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[04:01] <johnwl> and focusing on gnome was part of the goals of the project to begin with wasn't it?
[04:01] <jdub> mac_n_cheez: ubuntu is gnome based. kubuntu is kde based.
[04:01] <thully> In Hoary, KDE's in main now - and there is a special install CD for KDE, called KUbuntu
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> kubuntu????
[04:01] <jdub> thully: "Kubuntu", despite the subject of the announcement
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> where do I get it?
[04:02] <bob2> kde's in supported now?
[04:02] <Riddell> jdub: can you put this in the /topic http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html
[04:02] <jdub> bob2: yes
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> is it on the main site ?
[04:02] <jdub> johnwl: yes
[04:02] <jdub> man, our topic is useless
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> is it available for ppc?
[04:02] <Quest-Master> :o KDE is supported?!
[04:03] <mac_n_cheez> kewl I'll go look for it
[04:03] <mac_n_cheez> TTYL
[04:03] <rommer> is ndiswrapper already on the default ubuntu or do i have to install it?
[04:03] <hank> must be installed.
[04:03] <johnwl> at the risk of sounding stupid any x windows is possible i'd imagine. right?
[04:04] <rommer> how would i do that?
[04:04] <Quest-Master> rommer: You must install it
[04:04] <hank> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: hrm?
[04:04] <johnwl> x windows interface
[04:04] <rommer> thanks
[04:04] <calc> hmm it appears faac/faad must not be 64bit clean or else is otherwise very buggy :\
[04:04] <rommer> i tried apt-get ndiswrapper but it didnt work
[04:04] <hank> np, tony told me
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: of course.
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: most are in universe.
[04:04] <hank> try with the utils extension
[04:04] <johnwl> yeah im here for the GNOME focus..just making sure I understood that.
[04:05] <fred_> y
[04:06] <Fr0d0> can the live cd install on hard drive (as Mepis)?
[04:06] <bob2> no
[04:06] <Fr0d0> thanks
[04:08] <billytwowilly> When I try and use kmid it says "/dev/snd/seq failed: no such file or directory" how do I fix this?
[04:10] <dbo> suggestions for p2p software
[04:12] <johnwl> dbo: limewire
[04:12] <dbo> my room mate is using mldonkey
[04:12] <billytwowilly> giFT
[04:12] <billytwowilly> usenet..
[04:12] <johnwl> never heard of it..but then I don't p2p
[04:12] <dbo> can i just apt-get gift
[04:13] <billytwowilly> apt-get install giFT
[04:13] <pussfeller> mldoinkey is da best
[04:14] <silversurfer> nicotine is pretty good too
[04:14] <silversurfer> if you only want music
[04:14] <CarlK> what is the ubunto page that lets me search what packages supply what?
[04:14] <pussfeller> you can run it headless from terminal and connect with the browser at need so it dont shutdown on your xseesion
[04:14] <bob2> CarlK: there isn't one
[04:14] <pussfeller> nicotine is really heavy to run
[04:14] <pussfeller> slow on my machine anyways
[04:15] <CarlK> bob2 - um...  Yay not gentoo....
[04:19] <johnwl> pussfeller: how does ubuntu run on your p2?
[04:19] <billytwowilly> well, I think I've contributed quite enough to this chan for today;)
[04:19] <pussfeller> slowly
[04:20] <pussfeller> i use flux cuase gnome was so slow
[04:20] <CarlK> GENeraly TOO... um...what did I come up with ...
[04:20] <johnwl> good idea
[04:20] <Quarupt> Gnome isnt slow on my box
[04:20] <pussfeller> i ran gentoo on here for a long time
[04:20] <pussfeller> but i used distcc to my other boxes and it wasnt so bad
[04:20] <johnwl> I ran mandrake version um something or other with KDE on my pentium pro a few years ago...wasnt as bad as I thought
[04:21] <hank> Ive gotten some linux drivers for my wireless card. Does anyone know how to install them?
[04:21] <silversurfer> ah, i've always wanted to try dcc, just never had the nuts to
[04:21] <j-rock> anyone know what package provides gmake?
[04:21] <j-rock> binutils?
[04:22] <CarlK> jrock - you need this site
[04:22] <CarlK> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:22] <j-rock> k
[04:22] <CarlK> leme know if you can figure out what supplies printer.ko ;)
[04:22] <pussfeller> i wish they would tighten up x somehow so it runs as well as the windows gui does
[04:22] <pussfeller> cause win2k ran much faster on this machine
[04:22] <hank> is x what ubuntu uses?
[04:23] <goldfish_> yep
[04:23] <regeya_> wonder how long it'll be until there's a good gtkhtml browser :-)
[04:23] <pussfeller> x is what everything linux uses for graphics
[04:23] <hank> ahh okay. I find it better than windows but I was using the clunky XP
[04:23] <pussfeller> well xp might be differnt, its really ram heavy
[04:24] <johnwl> forgive my lame explanation but X is what runs between linux and whatever GUI you choose (GNOME, KDE, fluxbox, etc)
[04:24] <pussfeller> win2k gets that way when you plug in all the service packs too
[04:24] <hank> ahh right, the x386 file
[04:24] <hank> yeah, I found win2K faster than XP
[04:25] <CarlK> ever seen win3.11 on a P4? ;)
[04:25] <Fr0d0> Xp is faster than 2000, just it must be optimized
[04:25] <hank> haha, nope. Does it fly
[04:25] <sylvai> win3..1 on a p4, that odd
[04:25] <hank> oh yeah? What kind of optimizations?
[04:25] <johnwl> this site is pretty cool..its all the x windows managers for linux: http://xwinman.org/
[04:25] <Fr0d0> the file interpreter is like 100 times faster
[04:25] <pussfeller> you can turn alot of the eye candy off in xp
[04:25] <Fr0d0> thats just fact
[04:26] <hank> oh right yeah, i've done all that
[04:26] <tritium> Looks like the latest update to evolution forces the user to setup an email account, even if you just want to use it for calendaring and contacts.
[04:26] <Fr0d0> xp runs on the foundation of 2000 but uses a faster file interpreter
[04:26] <hank> anyone have a clue about how to install linux drivers?
[04:26] <pussfeller> altho, its the same thing that makes windows faster that makes it more vulnerable too
[04:26] <CarlK> never tried... just sounded funny.  I was a deskview junky untill I wanted to run a web broser under win95
[04:26] <hank> And 2000 was based on NT no?
[04:27] <johnwl> more or less
[04:28] <rommer> yea it was
[04:28] <Fr0d0> the file interpreter in xp is like 100 times faster than win 2000...but xp is loader with more crap
[04:29] <Fr0d0> but a scaled down xp can boot completely in about 12 seconds
[04:29] <Blackice1963> you got thst right
[04:29] <Blackice1963> lol
[04:29] <hank> serious! no networking I take it
[04:30] <pussfeller> yeah it boots pretty fast to the login screen
[04:30] <Fr0d0> my xp with networking boots in 17 seconds
[04:30] <silversurfer> you time it?
[04:30] <hank> Thats rather quick.  Tough I suppose it must be around that.
[04:30] <johnwl> so you can access your spyware really quickly :)
[04:30] <Fr0d0> but...I still prefer linux, because the hackers are targeting xp
[04:31] <hank> indeed, this is part of my motivation for making a complete conversion
[04:31] <hank> But I need my wireless to Work!!!
[04:31] <johnwl> I ditched win2k completely..first to SUSE 9.2 (very good) then to Ubuntu (awesome)
[04:31] <pussfeller> it will be interesting to seew how well linux holds up as it gets into the hands of more and more clueless users like windows is
[04:32] <Fr0d0> but the security is becoming better for xp all the time, I use AVF virus prot with adaware se and I find it is very very stable
[04:32] <hank> As long as it remains free!!
[04:32] <johnwl> I've installed Ubuntu for two barely capable users and they are doing pretty good
[04:32] <mumak> Does the subversion package on ubuntu require sysadmin to write wrapper scripts to set the umask, the way debian does?
[04:32] <hank> Yeah ubuntu would have to be the most simple yet. Apart form the crazy arse live distros
[04:32] <pussfeller> kubuntu? is that the kde based version
[04:32] <johnwl> hell, I'm barely capable :)
[04:32] <silversurfer> i dont understand how people get spyware... i havent had one thing of spyware on my machine in over 2 years... are you seriously still using IE?
[04:33] <johnwl> pussfeller: yep
[04:33] <Fr0d0> if linux still continues with its damn distro wars, it will shoot itself in the foot, MS is comiing out with its next versions and linux will take a lump
[04:33] <hank> you don't need ie to get spyware
[04:33] <pussfeller> i have seen so many windows machines utterly unusable die to spyware
[04:33] <silversurfer> what are you using to get it?
[04:33] <Riddell> pussfeller: yes it is
[04:34] <hank> I usually use firefox, or opera. Lately firefox and I got the nastiest of somethings.  None of them work, You can't buy anything so who the hell makes them!!
[04:35] <pussfeller> there were like 300 entries in hklm/currentversion run
[04:35] <silversurfer> http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
[04:35] <hank> what's this?
[04:35] <pussfeller> the start up in the reg
[04:36] <silversurfer> thats a nice little hosts file that prevents a lot of spyware from getting to you
[04:36] <Fr0d0> umm, to be honest, if you get spyware in xp its just cuz you dont have a clue...I have reloaded linux because of faulty distros more than I ever did with xp
[04:36] <johnwl> yeah thats true but 90% of computer users dont, and may never, have a clue
[04:36] <hank> Oh, well I guess I don't have a clue. What's your cluefull secret Frodo?
[04:36] <pussfeller> but most windows users really dont have a clue
[04:36] <pussfeller> i got paid last week to show how to add an attachemnt to an email
[04:36] <Fr0d0> clueful secret is , turn off messenger
[04:36] <hank> hahah, that's beautifull.
[04:37] <Fr0d0> use hijacker software
[04:37] <hank> hahaha, I don't use msnger. But that certainly is  amajor source
[04:37] <silversurfer> hank, visit the site i posted, then add it to your hosts file
[04:37] <pussfeller> messenger doesnt add spyware
[04:37] <hank> inX?
[04:37] <silversurfer> it will prevent a lot of crap from getting to you
[04:37] <hank> in XP?
[04:37] <hank> obviously
[04:37] <ells> does anyone know how to setup samba to access my windows machine. I thought I had it hooked up and I am not sure how to connect
[04:37] <Fr0d0> use AVG....lol  man you dont have a clue...messenger is on in xp even if you dont use it lol LOL
[04:38] <pussfeller> theres 2 messengers
[04:38] <pussfeller> the IM and the LAN system chat thingee
[04:38] <hank> awesome thanks. I'll install that
[04:38] <Fr0d0> you must turn messenger off in hidden settings
[04:38] <silversurfer> and dont run xp in admin mode
[04:38] <hank> yeah I have AVG. I find it very cumbersome and slow htough
[04:38] <Fr0d0> lol...AVG is only 5 megs big
[04:39] <hank> yeah mssnger is completeyly gone, I did all of that stuff
[04:39] <Fr0d0> cumbersome?
[04:39] <Fr0d0> you must have dialup
[04:39] <ells> does anyone know how to use samba to access windows
[04:39] <hitriko-sama> hey, i just decided to move to linux to and wanna start with ubuntu, is there any way i can burn the iso to a dvd disk>
[04:39] <pussfeller> elis you have to share a folder on the windows machine and then mount the partition
[04:39] <hank> no cable. I mean while the program scans, its slow
[04:39] <johnwl> yes you can burn the iso to DVD
[04:39] <pussfeller> ells, theres a bout a gazillion tutos on the net
[04:39] <silversurfer> ells:do you have sambaclient installed?
[04:39] <ells> pussfeller, can you walk me through how to set it up
[04:39] <ells> silversurfer, yes
[04:40] <ells> I am not sure what to do next
[04:40] <pussfeller> somebody else can probably show you better, i did it the cli way
[04:40] <hank> slow.
[04:40] <ells> pussfeller, cli way?
[04:40] <silversurfer> ells : open up nautilus and type smb://[nameofserver]
[04:40] <hank> anyone know of any tutes for wireless networking setup
[04:40] <ells> okay
[04:41] <pussfeller> using fstab and a cred file
[04:41] <ells> silversurfer, is that the ip of the other machine
[04:41] <silversurfer> ells:it can be the IP or the name, stick to the IP though
[04:41] <ells> okay and then it will prompt for the password then
[04:42] <silversurfer> ells : in a perfect world it will
[04:42] <pussfeller> heh
[04:43] <ells> okay, I will giv it a shot
[04:43] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the letter to ahve text time stamped in 12hr time
[04:43] <Dr_Acemaster> rather than H for 24hr time
[04:44] <ells> silversurfer, nothing
[04:44] <silversurfer> hmm do you have all the samba stuff installed?
[04:45] <ells> it says folder contents could not be displayed
[04:45] <ells> silversurfer, I think so
[04:45] <lunitik> Dr_Acemaster: you try a lowercase h?
[04:45] <Dr_Acemaster> yeah, it was the month
[04:45] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[04:45] <ells> on the windows side, what needs to be done
[04:45] <silversurfer> ells: but it still tried to connect correct?  it found the server just wouldn't let you connect?
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> nm, found it, it's "l"
[04:46] <lunitik> Dr_Acemaster: makes perfect sense  :/
[04:46] <ells> well, it did not ask for a password
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> lmao
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> there ya go
[04:46] <silversurfer> ells is your linux username the same as on windows?
[04:46] <ells> yes
[04:46] <silversurfer> hmm
[04:47] <ells> could it be my firewall on windows
[04:47] <silversurfer> same password?
[04:47] <usual> does 2.6.11 have compatible nvidia drivers in hoary yet?
[04:47] <silversurfer> ells, ya check if that firewall is blocking traffic
[04:48] <ells> silversurfer, I will check real fast
[04:50] <LiquidIce1337> I don't know if anyone can answer this question but I have a amd64 laptop with a radeon 9700 mobility with ubuntu hoary installed.. now my problem is i performed 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx' and that worked out fine but im getting an error when I run glxinfo that "Xlib: extension "XFree-86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". can anyone help me these ati drivers are driving me crazy
[04:50] <ells> it does not appear to be blocking it
[04:50] <ells> I can go in through remote desktop
[04:50] <johnwl> LiguidIce1337: way out of my league..sry
[04:51] <silversurfer> LiquiedIce1337: silly question, did you reboot the machine?
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> well not yet but I had the same problem last time I installed these drivers after a fresh install of hoary
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> im rebooting now
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> i'll let you know if anything changes though
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> was wondering if i missed any commands before i restarted
[04:52] <silversurfer> did you make sure your card is using the right driver?
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> how would I go about doing that? I am new to ubuntu
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> i cna edit files i just need to know where they are located so I can type it in the terminal
[04:53] <LiquidIce1337> xorg.conf im assuming your talking about
[04:53] <ells> silversurfer, it worked
[04:53] <silversurfer> Liquid : I have been using ubuntu for 3 days, gentoo for 2 years... so i am not too experienced myself
[04:53] <ells> how can I give myself access to more folders
[04:54] <silversurfer> ells : on the windows machine you have to share them
[04:54] <ells> okay, i will check that out
[04:54] <LiquidIce1337> yea I am in the exact same boat gentoo for like 2 days.. couldn't get install to finish on stage 3 so i tried ubuntu because it's impossible to find a 64 bit distro that will work in conjunction with my mobility radeon 9700
[04:54] <johnwl> LiguidIce1337: Did you see this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13226
[04:55] <ells> silversurfer, where in windows, sorry
[04:55] <johnwl> not sure if that will help
[04:55] <ells> dont use windows for network too much
[04:55] <silversurfer> ells : hehe no worries, just open up windows explorer and right click on a folder you want to share, then you should see the share tab
[04:55] <ells> silversurfer, thanks
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> I can try it john thankyou
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> as rebooting didn't help my situation
[04:56] <silversurfer> Liquid
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> stuck with mesa
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> back to square 1
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> yes?
[04:56] <silversurfer> in the config file, make sure your device driver is fglrx
[04:56] <silversurfer> not ati
[04:56] <silversurfer> thats now i got my ati 9700 going
[04:57] <silversurfer> but i am not on an amd64
[04:57] <johnwl> that complicates things a bit
[04:57] <silversurfer> how so johnwl
[04:58] <johnwl> jsut from what I'm reading..amd64/ati/linux not playing nicely
[04:58] <silversurfer> ouch
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> yeah unfortunately
[04:58] <silversurfer> that sucks
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> I'll try the forum john reccomended
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> thanks for pointing me in a better direction
[04:58] <johnwl> yeah its a few pages long so i didnt read it all
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> hopefully I cna work some magic with this
[04:58] <silversurfer> good luck Liquid
[04:59] <johnwl> seems to be good info in there
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> thanks
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> i'll be here often I can tell
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> hah
[04:59] <silversurfer> hehe
[04:59] <johnwl> nvidia seems to be way more on the ball with linux..hopefully ati will catch up
[04:59] <ells> silversurfer, this works great.
[05:00] <ells> I am going to use this for school
[05:00] <silversurfer> what's kind of funny is i have 3 days of debian / ubuntu experience and i am offering advice in the channel lol
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> hmm im having a problem here
[05:00] <silversurfer> sweet ells, glad you got it working
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> how would i go about loggin in as root
[05:00] <johnwl> <-2 days :)
[05:00] <ells> silversurfer, thanks man
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> i only ahve a username
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> root has no password
[05:00] <silversurfer> liquid, open up a terminal and su to it
[05:00] <EndGame> LiquidIce1337, sudo -s
[05:00] <SiRrUs> anyone here anything about a fix for the hoary refresh lag?
[05:01] <silversurfer> or what EndGame said lol
[05:01] <LiquidIce1337> thanks
[05:01] <johnwl> SiRrUs: not me
[05:01] <SiRrUs> johnwl thanks
[05:02] <silversurfer> is there a calendar program that lets me connect to my yahoo calendar?
[05:03] <johnwl> LiquidIce1337: have you seen the HOWTO http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:04] <johnwl> i cant believe how good the starter guide, howtos, and other support are for such a new distro
[05:05] <silversurfer> johnwl how old is ubuntu?
[05:05] <SiRrUs> october silversurfer
[05:05] <SiRrUs> i believe
[05:05] <ggeecko> can anyone suggest a jpeg viewer
[05:06] <johnwl> warty was released in october of last year
[05:06] <CarlK2> warty - how do I share a printer installed in cups?
[05:06] <kerframil> ggeecko: gthumb
[05:06] <johnwl> DistroWatch Ubuntu: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[05:06] <geppy|Clerks> ggecko: gthumb
[05:06] <silversurfer> hmm SiRrus, lemme check that out, thanks
[05:07] <SiRrUs> check it out? :)
[05:07] <silversurfer> ooh, thought you were talking about the calendar lol
[05:08] <johnwl> the only thing i dont like about Ubuntu is the shirtless guy on the homepage lol
[05:08] <SiRrUs> nope warty 4.10 :) 2004 October
[05:08] <ggeecko> thx
[05:09] <silversurfer> ah, well it's made gentoo disappear for me... and somehow extended my ipw2200 range outside of the house
[05:09] <johnwl> that and my co-workers call me Warty Warthog now :(
[05:09] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Hmm. :P
[05:10] <johnwl> time to apt-get install tacobell
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i just apt-got leftovers
[05:11] <johnwl> lol
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Lo Mein - good even reheated the next day
[05:11] <xed> Ahoyhoy everyone
[05:11] <xed> guess what I'm here for?
[05:11] <johnwl> oh man i may have to order chinese now
[05:12] <johnwl> you've come to offer tech support to noobs?
[05:12] <silversurfer> alright everyone, i am outta heeya... nighty
[05:12] <johnwl> cya
[05:12] <xed> johnw1: only if.. only if..
[05:12] <johnwl> lol
[05:12] <xed> johnwl: I am teh noob who the tech support helps. =(
[05:12] <Dr_willis> its sad when you watch 'Iron Chefs' while eating a Blogna Sandwich.. :P
[05:12] <johnwl> you are not alone xed
[05:12] <xed> I remember having this issue before, but now I can't remember how I resolved it.
[05:12] <CarlK> anyone know how to print a test page from a shell?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> hmm.
[05:13] <xed> johnw1: What happened was...when I put in the install CD.. the little screen comes up
[05:13] <neighborlee> yeah baby ubuntu is 6 away from going over mepis!!!! ( i'm so happy )
[05:13] <xed> "To boot press Enter"
[05:13] <xed> I press Enter
[05:13] <neighborlee> I LOVE UBUNTU
[05:13] <xed> And it does this whole loading of the whatnots.. and huzzah! I'm screwed!
[05:13] <xed> It goes black..
[05:13] <xed> Darkness!
[05:14] <CarlK> Dr_willis - did you know there is an Iron Chef movie?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> CarlK,  lol - havent seen THAT yet. :p
[05:14] <CarlK> "God of Cookery" I think
[05:14] <xed> No? No one wants to help?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> xed,  this is right after the install?
[05:14] <CarlK> Dr_willis - it has plot and everything
[05:14] <xed> err. Dr_willis: I never get to the install part..
[05:14] <johnwl> xed: (im a newb too) but does it do it at the same spot each time?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> CarlK,  Egads!
[05:14] <CarlK> well, the first 20 min... hanv't watched the end yet
[05:15] <xed> johnw1: Yes, it just loads a bunch of text.. too fast...
[05:15] <xed> I have a widescreen.. that could be teh issue?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> xed,  Hmm.. thats odd..  its possible you got some really odd system.. or your cd-disk is messed up
[05:15] <xed> nope
[05:15] <Dr_willis> the installer is text based.
[05:15] <xed> Dr_willis: I had it installed earlier
[05:15] <Dr_willis> shouldent matter.
[05:15] <xed> I remember I did.. or rather someone told me to do something
[05:15] <xed> instead of pressing enter, I type in something else, and it worked.
[05:15] <tga> maybe his framebuffer is confused
[05:15] <johnwl> xed: dunno i installed it on a friends widescreen with no issues tho
[05:15] <xed> Only if I had remembered..
[05:15] <Dr_willis> you isting warty, or hory? thers plenty of kernel boot options you can use.
[05:15] <jsgotangco> doh
[05:15] <xed> I'm on a laptop..?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> noapci, nopic,
[05:15] <johnwl> xed: so was he
[05:16] <xed> Dr_willis: eh? me?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> are commn options
[05:16] <xed> tga: Something relating to the framebuffer.. I remember that..
[05:16] <xed> Or rather, I think it was..
[05:16] <jsgotangco> ohhh fb
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Framebuffer. - Hmm...
[05:16] <jsgotangco> its a resolution thing
[05:16] <xed> Wish I had remembered...
[05:16] <tga> that's what used to happen to me on an old 13" monitor.. the fb would push it out of sync
[05:16] <xed> So.. what do I do?
[05:16] <xed> And please don't say "Go kill yourself"
[05:17] <jsgotangco> and also dont say RTFM
[05:17] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:17] <tga> you could try passing an option to the kernel to disable the fb
[05:17] <tga> vga=ask
[05:17] <tga> or something
[05:17] <xed> ...
[05:17] <xed> Which.. means..?
[05:17] <jsgotangco> its this a problem with the livecd?
[05:17] <xed> jsgotangco: Negative.  I'm trying to install it.
[05:17] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[05:17] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:18] <tga> does the installer use lilo or grub?
[05:18] <xed> ...err..
[05:18] <Dr_willis> boot cd - is useing Grub i think isent it.
[05:18] <johnwl> im trying to remember what the install options are if you press f1 or f2
[05:18] <xed> I'm trying to remember who helped me before.
[05:18] <xed> Was it cafuego..?
[05:18] <xed> Hmm..
[05:18] <xed> wish I remembered..
[05:19] <xed> My memory is crappy.
[05:19] <xed> Not my PC.. me.. my memory.. as in.. my brain..
[05:19] <tga> get a pen and a notepad
[05:19] <xed> tga: Got it.
[05:19] <xed> Now to destroy life.
[05:19] <kerframil> xed: debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[05:19] <kerframil> perhaps
[05:19] <xed> err..
[05:20] <tga> try passing the kernel an option after the kernel image name
[05:20] <kerframil> sorry, if I'm late to the party but I thought there was some talk about disabling fb
[05:20] <xed> kerframil: I type that in at the screen where it says "Press enter to boot" or something?
[05:20] <kerframil> in which case, that option should do it
[05:20] <kerframil> xed: yes, as tga indicates
[05:20] <xed> "debian-installer/framebuffer=false"
[05:20] <tga> or even <name of image> vga=ask
[05:20] <xed> I .. don't remember debian being in the solution..
[05:20] <tga> I don't know what the image is called
[05:20] <xed> name of.. image?
[05:20] <kerframil> it uses the debian installer so
[05:20] <xed> I .. recieved the cd's from a friend.. who got it in the mail.. =/
[05:21] <kerframil> video=vga16:off
[05:21] <kerframil> as an alternative
[05:21] <tga> hit tab and you should get a list of bootable images
[05:22] <xed> What will vga=ask do?
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> ask you what vga mode you want
[05:22] <xed> ...
[05:23] <xed> And how will I deteremine... which to choose?
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> you can choose whatever you like
[05:23] <xed> Sounds.. good
[05:23] <xed> Brb
[05:24] <xed_desk> on desktop now
[05:25] <yoko-omo> what is the package that installs g++, and such?  developer-tools?
[05:27] <johnwl> Ubuntu Packages Search: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[05:27] <xed> Okay, so none of the ideas suggested worked
[05:28] <kerframil> yoko-omo: I don't know what the meta-package is (assuming there is one) but you could install gcc and its "recommends"
[05:28] <xed> tabbig does not bring up the names of the images either =/
[05:28] <xed> So.. any other suggestions?
[05:29] <rommerUB> is there a way to make the fonts look better on a laptop (on windows there was cleartype or something)
[05:29] <xed> Ello?
[05:29] <johnwl> you can install windows truetype fonts
[05:30] <kerframil> yoko-omo: ah, try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:30] <johnwl> xed: sry no ideas
[05:30] <johnwl> xed: did you try searching the community forums?
[05:30] <jdub> rommerUB: go into the font preferences dialogue, choose subpixel smoothing
[05:30] <mruiz> hi guys!
[05:30] <yoko-omo> kerframil, thanks
[05:31] <yoko-omo> just found it
[05:31] <yoko-omo> :)
[05:31] <rommerUB> thnaks jdbu
[05:31] <Levander> Can I get descriptions of packages not installed on my system via apt-get? Similar to how the dpkg -l command works.
[05:32] <tims> how do I get rid of all the other bootup kernels in grub?
[05:32] <mebaran151> tims
[05:32] <xed> huzzaaaaah
[05:32] <xed> fixed it
[05:32] <mebaran151> if you reomve them
[05:32] <mebaran151> unistall them with synaptic or apt
[05:32] <xed> solution was
[05:32] <johnwl> xed: how?
[05:32] <xed> in the manual
[05:32] <xed> johnw1: I feel like a moron..
[05:32] <mebaran151> the update-grub script takes care of the rest
[05:32] <kerframil> xed: which was?
[05:32] <tims> that sounds great
[05:32] <xed> johnwl: "linux vga=771"
[05:32] <mebaran151> so just find the kernels you dont want
[05:33] <mebaran151> if you want to have the kernel available
[05:33] <mebaran151> but dont want to boot it
[05:33] <mebaran151> you have to manually edit it yourself
[05:33] <johnwl> xed: no i feel like a moron..i almost suggested that
[05:33] <xed> johnwl: I had to type that in. =/
[05:33] <regeya_> guh.  is there some sort of wankery that holds the XF86Audio keys support together in GNOME and only GNOME?  'Coz when I try the keys when I'm running Window Maker, no worky.
[05:33] <mebaran151> I havent the slightest idea why
[05:33] <xed> now to complete the installation
[05:33] <xed> Thanks for teh help
[05:33] <regeya_> wait...I think I know.
[05:33] <johnwl> good luck
[05:33] <tims> what file do you edit.. grub.conf?
[05:33] <mebaran151> XF86Keys dont even work at all on my logitech keyboard
[05:33] <mebaran151> tims
[05:33] <mebaran151> you would edit
[05:33] <kerframil> tims: /boot/grub/menu.lst probably
[05:33] <regeya_> really.
[05:34] <mebaran151> /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:34] <mebaran151> but just uninstall the kernel
[05:34] <mebaran151> you probably dont have any use for an unbootable kernel
[05:34] <regeya_> before I was a ubuntu user, I had no trouble with XF86Keys with my logitech kbd
[05:34] <mebaran151> taking 50 mbs of hdd space
[05:34] <mebaran151> I never got XF86keys to work ever
[05:34] <mebaran151> I just got use to it
[05:34] <mebaran151> using plus and minus to change the volume isnt THAT hard
[05:35] <regeya_> well, having had it work just fine in other envs, you'll pardon me if I find that to be unacceptable ;-)  yeah, you're right, it's not a big deal, but heck, I know it can work.
[05:35] <Levander> No way to do something similar to a 'dpkg -l' for an uninstalled package?
[05:35] <mebaran151> regeya
[05:35] <mebaran151> how do you make it work
[05:35] <rommerUB> is mozilla firefox 1.0.1 available from apt-get?
[05:35] <mebaran151> does it automagically work
[05:35] <tims> so should I mark the old kernel for removal or complete removal?
[05:35] <mebaran151> removal will be just fine
[05:35] <mebaran151> complete removal purges the config
[05:35] <mebaran151> which is no big deal
[05:36] <mebaran151> as the kernel was probably left in its default config
[05:36] <mebaran151> whichever makes you fuzziest
[05:36] <mebaran151> regeya_, nothing is cooler than my INDESTRUCTIBLE keyboard
[05:36] <tims> ok thanks.. before I do this.. is there a way of displaying which kerel I am running? to be sure?
[05:37] <mebaran151> uname -r
[05:37] <mebaran151> at the cli
[05:37] <mebaran151> but dpkg will warn you
[05:37] <mebaran151> if you try to delete a kernel that you are running
[05:37] <mebaran151> it will bellow
[05:37] <regeya_> mebaran151, I suppose you've tried to use a compatible keymap... :-}
[05:37] <xed> Okay
[05:37] <xed> I've run into yet another issue
[05:37] <mebaran151> regeya_, I get scared of keymaps
[05:37] <monoxide> what is the command to open the nautillus cd burning application?
[05:37] <mebaran151> they kill small children at night
[05:37] <mebaran151> I am sure of it
[05:37] <xed> How do I go about creating another partition... for Ubuntu while in the set up
[05:37] <mebaran151> open nautilus
[05:37] <mebaran151> and go to places
[05:38] <xed> I'm at the partition part in the set up. =/
[05:38] <mebaran151> and you will have a a place lCD DVD Creator
[05:38] <mebaran151> just drag and drop
[05:38] <xed> Ello?
[05:38] <regeya_> mebaran151, if you fire up gnome-control-center (I have the settings daemons running for nautilus's sake...why must nautilus have a daemon to pick the proper icon set...) and choosing the proper keymap from the proper control panel works fine
[05:38] <rommerUB> what is a good msn messenger client for linux?
[05:38] <regeya_> mebaran151, but I ended up asking in here first, instead of investigating, and for that I apologize. :-)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> GAIM
[05:39] <jsgotangco> rommerUB: GAIM supports MSN
[05:39] <xed> Ellooo?
[05:39] <rommerUB> oh ok
[05:39] <monoxide> Couldn't display burn:///
[05:39] <xed> Anyone here?
[05:39] <johnwl> theres also: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
[05:39] <xed> ...
[05:39] <mebaran151> haha
[05:39] <jsgotangco> xed
[05:39] <mebaran151> I looked
[05:39] <xed> jsgotangco
[05:39] <jsgotangco> theres a partition tool in during the setup
[05:39] <mebaran151> regeya_, damn logitech
[05:40] <mebaran151> does EVERYTHING have to begin with i
[05:40] <regeya_> heh
[05:40] <mebaran151> I forgot for what model keybd I have
[05:40] <regeya_> I thought that was strictly an apple ailment...heh
[05:40] <monoxide> mebaran151, Couldn't display burn:///
[05:40] <mebaran151> hmmm
[05:41] <xed> jsgotangco: I have 2 paritions atm... one primary (windows) and one logical (for all teh stuff I use).. I want to create a partition within the logical one (since it is most of teh hdd).. I want to create a partition for Ubuntu within that, how do I go about doing that?
[05:41] <mebaran151> monoxide, I dont know then
[05:41] <regeya_> interesting...ubuntu window maker package doesn't have DND support built in.  must...fix...bad...package!
[05:41] <mebaran151> works for me
[05:41] <jsgotangco> xed: where are you now on the setup
[05:41] <xed> "Parition disks"
[05:41] <xed> jsgotangco
[05:41] <mebaran151> are you sure it can figure out where your CDR is
[05:41] <mebaran151> it might have lost it
[05:41] <monoxide> i have 2 cd drives if that makes a difference
[05:42] <mebaran151> regeya_, is it black
[05:42] <jsgotangco> xed: i dont remember much, but I believe theres an advance option there
[05:42] <mebaran151> and has werid buttons on the side
[05:42] <xed> ...
[05:42] <regeya_> nope, white with blue trim
[05:42] <mebaran151> like three of them
[05:42] <mebaran151> oh
[05:42] <regeya_> yeah
[05:42] <mebaran151> I have the black magic keyboard
[05:42] <jsgotangco> xed: that allows you to create/edit partitions for your logical drive
[05:42] <mebaran151> indestructibly
[05:42] <mebaran151> namely I covered in celophane
[05:42] <mebaran151> so I shant ever fear my espresso again
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i wish i had an addtional box by my side
[05:42] <jsgotangco> but what i only have is my laptop :)
[05:42] <regeya_> they have several models that all use the same casing, but different colors and names...don't know if the internals are identical or not. :-/
[05:42] <johnwl> advanced partioning in Ubuntu needs some work
[05:42] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> they should include like qtparted
[05:43] <regeya_> this keyboard lacks the "Apple" icon on the Alt keys
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> with embedded qtparted
[05:43] <jsgotangco> actually the partitioning in ubuntu is quite freaky for n00bs
[05:43] <mebaran151> I mean embedded qt
[05:43] <mebaran151> nah
[05:43] <xed> jsgotangco: how do I go about creating?
[05:43] <maccorin> what is in the wine utils package?
[05:43] <mebaran151> it is just sort of crappy
[05:43] <regeya_> except the Logitech people have it dead wrong...iirc they have the Apple on the Window keys, and Command is mapped to Alt in OS X
[05:43] <jsgotangco> xed: hmmm hold on
[05:43] <mebaran151> haha
[05:44] <regeya_> or the other way 'round, I always forget.  whatever, they did it wrong.
[05:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:44] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why i cant burn a cd with nautillus? or another program i can try
[05:44] <mebaran151> I always wondered why whenever I try to do an alt gr on my mapped keyboard
[05:44] <mebaran151> it dies
[05:44] <mebaran151> as in
[05:44] <johnwl> did you install the dvdlibs?
[05:44] <mebaran151> it doesnt do altgr
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm. If i want to get the fundamental programs installed to let me do some lessoms on C++ programing.. is there a single 'package' that will get me all the 'needed' packages?
[05:44] <johnwl> oh cd nm
[05:44] <Dr_willis> thats what they call a 'meta-package' isent it?
[05:44] <mebaran151> Dr_willis, try build-essential
[05:45] <mebaran151> it has all the basic libs for building your programs
[05:45] <xed> Okay.. so..
[05:45] <Dr_willis> cool
[05:45] <mebaran151> gedit is fine for actually writing simple code, like vim but prettier
[05:45] <Dr_willis> i never wouild of guessed that name :P
[05:45] <mebaran151> haha
[05:45] <mebaran151> well not like vim
[05:45] <mebaran151> they both do syntax highlighting
[05:45] <johnwl> is there an apt-get install paris_hilton's_movies? j/k
[05:45] <xed> jsgotangco: You still there?
[05:45] <monoxide> johnwl, package not found?
[05:45] <EndGame> i think there in portage
[05:46] <johnwl> heh
[05:46] <EndGame> yet another reason to switch
[05:46] <xed> ...
[05:46] <jsgotangco> xed: hold on im getting a box here to help you out
[05:46] <EndGame> phrack is in portage
[05:46] <xed> Ah, alright js
[05:46] <xed> jsgotangco*
[05:46] <EndGame> you can literaly emerge phrack, and get every issue ever
[05:46] <Dr_willis> all rigthy.. the prog i am trying to compile almost worked.. :P
[05:46] <LiquidIce1337> got another question for you guys
[05:47] <mebaran151> what error did you get
[05:47] <Dr_willis> bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu  -- now i just got to figure out what  libXmu is :) thats would be a good guessas to the package name to search for?
[05:47] <mebaran151> some gui programs require glade
[05:47] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:47] <LiquidIce1337> this forum the first post says to convert the rpm to deb using alien.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13226 i understand what they mean but they are talking about downloading the ati driver from the ati website for xorg and just converting that one?
[05:47] <mebaran151> what kind of proggie is this
[05:48] <monoxide> i keep getting "burn:/// not a valid location" from nautilus. any ideas anyone?
[05:48] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, they now include the ati driver in restricted moduels
[05:48] <mebaran151> monoxide, it doesnt know you have a burner
[05:48] <iotc247> amaranth you there?
[05:48] <mebaran151> it thinks you have two cdroms
[05:48] <LiquidIce1337> mebaren151: which means (sorry im new)
[05:48] <tims> what does this mean? E: zope-cmfcore1.4:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:48] <tims> E: zope-cmftopic1.4:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:48] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, no problem
[05:48] <mebaran151> just do this
[05:48] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[05:49] <monoxide> mebaran151, well how do i tell it that i have one then?
[05:49] <mebaran151> put a CD in that drive
[05:49] <xed> Maybe I should just pop in my Windows XP CD, create a partition for Ubuntu and restart installation for Ubuntu?
[05:49] <mebaran151> let us first check that it can read
[05:49] <Dr_willis> trying to compile this game called 'Transcend'
[05:49] <monoxide> i have
[05:49] <mebaran151> ah
[05:49] <Dr_willis> mentioned in a Linux Mag. :p
[05:49] <mebaran151> probably a sound lib
[05:49] <mebaran151> did ./configure go ok
[05:49] <johnwl> xed: set your coffee on your XP CD and get to work on Ubuntu :)
[05:49] <monoxide> it can read a cd on that drive
[05:49] <mebaran151> ok
[05:50] <xed> johnwl: But I can't figure out how to create ze partition!
[05:50] <EndGame> mkfs.ze
[05:50] <mebaran151> xed
[05:50] <EndGame> mkfs.pot_smoking_hippies
[05:50] <xed> mebaran151
[05:50] <johnwl> xed: yeah its a mess..did you consider just intalling witht he default and playing with partions after the install?
[05:50] <mebaran151> if you have the bandwidth
[05:51] <jsgotangco> he wants to dual boot
[05:51] <johnwl> scuse my typos
[05:51] <mebaran151> dll www.sysresccd.org
[05:51] <johnwl> ahh nm
[05:51] <LiquidIce1337> hmm "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[05:51] <xed> ...what is that?
[05:51] <mebaran151> and repartition with with the iso on it
[05:51] <mebaran151> it is a another linux livecd
[05:51] <xed> =/ i have an easier way =/
[05:51] <regeya_> hm...XDND support in WMaker marked as experimental...hm...*shrug* lessee what happens! :-)
[05:51] <mebaran151> xed
[05:51] <xed> But I'd have to cancel the set up right now =(
[05:51] <mebaran151> what is your easier way
[05:51] <xed> what i Just said
[05:51] <xed> Pop in my Windows XP CD, create a partition for Ubuntu and restart installation for Ubuntu?
[05:51] <mebaran151> winxp wont resize a partition
[05:51] <mebaran151> so you would have to can windows
[05:51] <mebaran151> which isnt that bad
[05:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:51] <mebaran151> but you might not want to do that
[05:52] <xed> mebaran151: Not necessarily
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  got it.. played about 2 min.. and am now Very dizzy. :P lol
[05:52] <mebaran151> haha
[05:52] <mebaran151> cool
[05:52] <xed> I could create a second partition of say 8GB, .. say.. NTFS or whatever
[05:52] <xed> Load up set up again..
[05:52] <mebaran151> nah
[05:52] <mebaran151> see
[05:52] <xed> and then .. just erease that partition created
[05:52] <xed> erase*
[05:52] <mebaran151> the WInXP default is to eat your entire harddisk
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  picure asteroids in fancy colors.. but the map 'spins' you dont turn. the world does..
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  and it zooms in/out as your speed changes..
[05:52] <xed> mebaran151: No.. it also has the ability to create a partition. =
[05:52] <xed> =\
[05:52] <mebaran151> so to make a new partition you have to delete the first partition
[05:52] <jsgotangco> it can
[05:52] <mebaran151> no it will create it
[05:53] <xed> Thats how I partitioned my HDD...
[05:53] <jsgotangco> you go to disk management
[05:53] <mebaran151> but to create it it has to go destroy it
[05:53] <jsgotangco> you dont have to format it
[05:53] <jsgotangco> right
[05:53] <mebaran151> I am not creating a partition
[05:53] <xed> It doesn't have to destroy windows. =\
[05:53] <mebaran151> I am trying to resize it
[05:53] <mebaran151> if you go to the disk manager in windows
[05:53] <mebaran151> you can only resize dynamic arrays
[05:53] <xed> mebaran151: I see what you're saying...I think..
[05:53] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:53] <mebaran151> see
[05:53] <mebaran151> let me put it another way
[05:53] <mebaran151> Windows owns your entire harddisk
[05:54] <xed> Hmm.. so how do I go about doing it while in the set up..(Ubuntu) at the "Partition Disks" part..
[05:54] <mebaran151> so let us say you have a 10 gb disk
[05:54] <goldfish_> u have to erase the windows partition
[05:54] <mebaran151> windows has the entire 10gb
[05:54] <goldfish_> if u do it that way
[05:54] <johnwl> xed: a thread on installing for xp/ubuntu dual boot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16287
[05:54] <mebaran151> if you want to make a second partition you dont have anymore room
[05:54] <mebaran151> to make that second partition
[05:54] <xed> I have to destroy a partition? =(
[05:54] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:55] <mebaran151> so that we have some room to make a new partition
[05:55] <rommerUB> how can i install mozilla-firefox 1.0.1
[05:55] <mebaran151> rommerUB, do you really need it?
[05:55] <rommerUB> yes
[05:55] <mebaran151> I dont think they have a pkg yet
[05:55] <jsgotangco> theres no backport yet right
[05:55] <mebaran151> so you are going to have use the mozilla installer
[05:55] <mebaran151> and circumvent pkg management
[05:55] <Jeezis> hello
[05:55] <rommerUB> yea ok thanks
[05:55] <mebaran151> which is just rather annoying
[05:56] <Jeezis> what is the kernel version for 5.10?
[05:56] <jsgotangco> id stick with the "current" backport
[05:56] <xed> mebaran151: So my point was valid..
[05:56] <xed> what if I created a 3rd empty partition.. say.. NTFS.. with Windows XP..
[05:56] <Jeezis> what is the kernel version for warty 5.10?
[05:56] <xed> And then destroyed it when in the Ubuntu set up.. and use it for Ubuntu =/
[05:57] <Deviant> I Have my wireless setup , everything seems to be set correctly but im unable to connect to my router to get an IP ! dhcpdiscover can't get it.
[05:57] <LiquidIce1337> hmm mebaran i preformed what you said but not luck "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules"
[05:57] <goldfish_> Deviant: tried picking a manual ip?
[05:57] <Deviant> yes
[05:58] <goldfish_> k
[05:58] <Jeezis> can anyone hear me?
[05:58] <Deviant> im stumped on this one.
[05:58] <johnwl> Jeezis: yes. no idea. did you try the ubuntu web site?
[05:59] <EndGame> i need to add g++ to my PATH
[05:59] <Jeezis> johnwl: looking right now
[05:59] <EndGame> i cant compile pengAOL
[05:59] <johnwl> warty 5.1 or warty 4.1?
[05:59] <Jeezis> i'm trying to get x to run on a sager 9860-s
[05:59] <monoxide> Jeezis, no. your talking to yourself
[06:00] <johnwl> Jezzis: Try distro watch: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu