[01:22] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3-venkman.png
[01:46] <asac> Ubulette: great
[01:46] <asac> Ubulette: whatelse is left to get in shape for release?
[01:47] <asac> kazehakase still needs care, right?
[01:47] <Ubulette> gcc bump, for other archs
[01:47] <Ubulette> kazehakase is not ready for sure.
[01:48] <asac> ok
[01:48] <Ubulette> wallet or not wallet...
[01:48] <asac> what do they use?
[01:48] <asac> i mean basic gtkmozembed features should be broken
[01:49] <asac> aeh should be frozen i mean
[01:52] <Ubulette> the "get extentions" link in the ui is broken
[01:52] <Ubulette> it points to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firefox-trunk/extensions/
[01:57] <Ubulette> asac, http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2007/09/10/firefox-trunk-to-stay-frozen-for-m8-a-little-bit-longer/
[01:57] <Ubulette> (in case you missed it)
[01:57] <Ubulette> so i guess there's no rush for us
[02:03] <Ubulette> asac, oh, there's the python stuff too
[02:04] <Ubulette> gasp
[02:04] <Ubulette> *** stack smashing detected ***: firefox-trunk terminated
[02:04] <Ubulette> Abort (core dumped)
[02:05] <Ubulette> asac, xul's configure says: Building Python extensions using python-2.5 from /usr
[02:05] <Ubulette> ans seems happy afterwards
[02:05] <Ubulette> and
[02:11] <Ubulette> and the dbgsym ddebs are empty
[02:35] <mertiki> asac : hello asac, did you have time to work around sunbird-locales ?
[11:13] <fuoco> whenever i quit granparadiso (alpha7) the process stays alive and uses 100% cpu, is that a known issue?
[11:30] <asac> fuoco: not for me :)
[11:30] <asac> maybe Ubulette has seen this?
[12:31] <bluekuja> heya asac!
[12:31] <bluekuja> I'm back to work
[12:31] <bluekuja> how are you man?
[12:32] <asac> fine fine .... hope you as well ;)
[12:33] <bluekuja> yeah!
[12:33] <asac> school started?
[12:33] <bluekuja> tomorrow :/
[12:33] <bluekuja> damn it :)
[12:34] <bluekuja> asac: can we start NM this week or next? or wanna wait more?
[12:37] <bluekuja> asac: gnome-bt is at 29926 of popcon
[12:37] <bluekuja> quite nice
[12:37] <bluekuja> :)
[12:41] <asac> is there any package that could deserve an upload/update?
[12:42] <asac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:42] <asac> whats the state of debian bug 431692
[12:42] <ubotu> Debian bug 431692 in diff-ext "nautilus crashes when diff-ext is installed" [Critical,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/431692
[12:43] <bluekuja> asac: I'm still testing wtf is happening
[12:43] <bluekuja> its upstream problem
[12:43] <bluekuja> e.g code error
[12:43] <bluekuja> with new nautilus
[12:43] <bluekuja> asac: use co-main mode in qa.debian
[12:44] <asac> what does upstream say?
[12:44] <bluekuja> so you check gnome-bt too
[12:44] <bluekuja> I've sent a mail
[12:44] <bluekuja> but no answers yet
[12:44] <bluekuja> damn
[12:44] <asac> he?
[12:44] <asac> i see gnome-btdownload in that qa list
[12:44] <bluekuja> oh ok
[12:44] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:44] <asac> what about mined?
[12:44] <bluekuja> asac: ctorrent new release is out
[12:44] <bluekuja> so gonna move to it
[12:44] <asac> yes
[12:45] <bluekuja> asac: you said me I can leave mined where it is
[12:45] <bluekuja> e.g shi* software
[12:45] <asac> might be ;)
[12:45] <asac> can't remember though.
[12:45] <bluekuja> it has got some problem
[12:45] <bluekuja> with amd64
[12:45] <bluekuja> atm
[12:45] <bluekuja> cause upstream
[12:45] <bluekuja> which seems quite inactive
[12:46] <bluekuja> since 2001-2002 I guess
[12:47] <asac> either try to fix it or drop the ITA ... and maybe ask for removal of that software from archive then
[12:47] <asac> i guess same goes for verlihub-stats?
[12:47] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[12:48] <bluekuja> I try to see what can I do for both
[12:48] <bluekuja> if not I'll ask for removal
[12:48] <bluekuja> from archive
[12:48] <asac> great
[12:49] <bluekuja> and I send a reminder for diff-ext
[12:49] <bluekuja> hoping someone will answer
[12:49] <asac> maybe try to debug :)
[12:49] <asac> might be hard, but you can probably learn a lot ;)
[12:49] <bluekuja> already added a debug package on debian BTS
[12:50] <bluekuja> ppl gave me some feedback
[12:50] <bluekuja> but still cant understand wtf is happening
[12:50] <bluekuja> I'm sure it's nautilus
[12:50] <bluekuja> it crashes with new nautilus
[12:50] <bluekuja> and works "quite" fine with old
[12:51] <bluekuja> going to have lunch
[12:51] <bluekuja> be back later
[12:51] <bluekuja> take care alex in the meantime
[12:51] <bluekuja> :)
[01:02] <asac> bluekuja: a good thing to look at is to see what changed in nautilus
[01:02] <asac> e.g. did they change the contract of the api
[01:03] <asac> or does diff-ext use features that have never been ment to be used (aka stable)
[01:05] <bluekuja> yeah
[01:05] <bluekuja> I need to find out
[01:38] <asac> bluekuja: any idea how to stop gnome to start nautilus?
[01:38] <asac> so you can start it in terminal to see whats going on with diff-ext
[01:38] <bluekuja> don't know atm how to block it from starting
[01:39] <bluekuja> starting it on a terminal without nautilus
[01:39] <bluekuja> wont work
[01:39] <bluekuja> I guess
[01:40] <asac> no you have to start nautilus in terminal
[01:40] <asac> so you debug that thing
[01:40] <asac> maybe install fluxbox or something so nautilus is not started when you log in
[01:40] <asac> then you can try there ;)
[01:41] <bluekuja> yeah, nice hint
[01:41] <asac> does nautilus really crash? it just freezes for me
[01:41] <bluekuja> in some cases it just freeze
[01:41] <asac> looks a bit like an infinite loop
[01:42] <bluekuja> yea
[01:42] <asac> because it also consumes cycles
[01:43] <bluekuja> first of all I gonna ping upstream again
[01:43] <bluekuja> I need to see if they are still there
[01:44] <asac> ok so its get_file_items that freezes
[01:44] <asac> i returned NULL at the beginning and nautilus doesn't freeze anymore
[01:44] <bluekuja> omg, you rock
[01:45] <bluekuja> we can just add a patch to fix that in the code?
[01:46] <asac> no
[01:46] <asac> its not fixed
[01:46] <bluekuja> damn
[01:46] <asac> its just a pointer that that function is broken
[01:46] <asac> e.g. i made that function do nothing :=
[01:46] <bluekuja> yeah
[01:47] <bluekuja> any suggestion?
[01:47] <bluekuja> only way is to ping upstream?
[01:47] <bluekuja> e.g cannot be fixed by us
[01:48] <asac> why?
[01:48] <asac> you can debug it
[01:48] <asac> try to look at code ... play around until you find the reason ;)
[01:48] <asac> its just one function
[01:49] <bluekuja> asac: in the bug report there was a debug too
[01:49] <bluekuja> with my -dbg package
[01:49] <bluekuja> latest message
[01:49] <asac> well
[01:49] <asac> thats something random
[01:49] <asac> its apparently an infinite loop and not a crash
[01:51] <bluekuja> asac: need to find out with the code
[01:51] <bluekuja> what's going on
[01:52] <bluekuja> leaving for a while
[01:52] <bluekuja> brb
[04:52] <asac> bluekuja: congrats ;)
[04:53] <asac> bluekuja: have fun with your new powers ... use them wisely ;)
[06:44] <cwong1> asac: hi
[06:45] <asac> hi
[06:45] <cwong1> asac: need help on the menu..:(
[06:45] <asac> sure
[06:45] <asac> what do you want to know?
[06:46] <cwong1> Can we define hildonmenu as a popup?  I
[06:46] <asac> yes we could
[06:47] <cwong1> I though popopup/menupopup has to be placed inside a menu, menulist or button
[06:47] <asac> i actually think its the cleanest solution to just use a new element name
[06:48] <asac> cwong1: just try to replace the menubar element with hildonmenu
[06:48] <asac> (e.g. for our menu)
[06:48] <cwong1> I have tried that and didnt seems to work
[06:49] <asac> you have the binding.xml ?
[06:49] <cwong1> yes
[06:49] <asac> please paste to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:49] <asac> or wherever you want
[06:50] <cwong1> Give me a few mins here
[06:52] <cwong1> here is a sample: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125/
[06:54] <cwong1> btw we have shipped 4 samsung to Ubuntu I think 1 of them is yours. It not, please let me know and I will talk to my manger.
[06:55] <asac> cwong1: thanks ... though i thought you sent it directly here ... now i have to hunt this down :/
[06:55] <asac> cwong1: when did you ship those?
[06:55] <asac> cwong1: ok you have the hildonmenu xul snippet as well?
[06:56] <cwong1> I think she shipped them last week.  I will check with her on who she sent to.
[06:56] <asac> cwong1: great.
[06:59] <cwong1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/126/
[07:00] <cwong1> This is just a test I did
[07:04] <cwong1> I was able to bring up other widget like a box and add buttons there but wasn't able to tide it to a popup.  If you can provide me with a sample, I would appreciate it.
[07:04] <asac> cwong1: i think its the wrong element
[07:04] <asac> try http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <asac> ups
[07:04] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/127/
[07:05] <asac> cwong1: tried that?
[07:05] <cwong1> I will give it a try
[07:05] <asac> cwong1: ah i see that popup is same as menupopup
[07:06] <asac> then just drop the enclosing popupset element
[07:06] <cwong1> ok
[07:07] <asac> cwong1: otherwise you would have to resolve the popup child element on event i guess and try to popup that one
[07:08] <cwong1> k
[07:15] <cwong1> asac:  it crashed in nsHildonXEventService::AddEventListener().  I don't have symbolic on so don't know why it crashes yet.
[07:17] <asac> cwong1: there should be dbgsym packages for midbrowser ... anyway, its probably a null deref?
[07:18] <cwong1> most likely
[07:19] <asac> cwong1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/125/
[07:19] <asac> there is a semi-colon missing
[07:19] <asac> in line 30
[07:19] <asac> (though i doubt that its a problem)
[07:19] <asac> (as i did it as well) :)
[07:20] <cwong1> I don't think the semi-colon makes a different
[07:21] <asac> cwong1: have to go to sport now ... will be back later
[07:21] <asac> sorry
[07:21] <cwong1> np
[07:21] <cwong1> what sport?
[07:21] <shirish> asac: can you be on for a moment
[07:21] <cwong1> soccer
[07:21] <cwong1> ?
[07:21] <asac> maybe use what you did before, but don't run self.openPopupAtScreen(0, 0, true);
[07:22] <asac> but instead resolve the <popup> element
[07:22] <cwong1> k
[07:22] <asac> cwong1: no ... just work-out
[07:22] <shirish> I'm getting an error
[07:22] <shirish> Reading package lists... Error!
[07:22] <shirish> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[07:22] <shirish> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.sofaraway.org_ubuntu_minirepos_gstreamer0.10_Packages
[07:22] <shirish> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:22] <shirish> E: Couldn't rebuild package cache
[07:22] <asac> but with a friend
[07:22] <asac> bbl
[07:31] <shirish> bbl as well ;)
[07:39] <shirish> Ubulette: please lemme know when you're up m8
[07:40] <Mirv> asac: hi, could you put the .desktop file in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/126112 in?
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126112 in thunderbird "[gutsy]  .desktop translation updates" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:41] <Mirv> ie. it adds two languages, which were all I was able to find from bugzilla
[07:41] <Mirv> I mean malone
[07:54] <Ubulette> hi
[07:55] <Ubulette> shirish ?
[07:55] <shirish> Ubulette: ah good you're up :)
[07:56] <shirish> I had been getting this error which I gave above with your thing
[07:56] <Ubulette> yeah, back from work
[07:56] <Ubulette> hmm
[07:56] <shirish> for the moment gstreamer is out, but totem is still holding on nicely. Any ideas?
[07:57] <Ubulette> this line ? <shirish> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.sofaraway.org_ubuntu_minirepos_gstreamer0.10_Packages
[07:57] <shirish> It actually starts with
[07:57] <shirish> 10:53:29  IST) shirish: Reading package lists... Error!
[07:57] <shirish> (10:53:29  IST) shirish: E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[07:57] <shirish> (10:53:29  IST) shirish: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.sofaraway.org_ubuntu_minirepos_gstreamer0.10_Packages
[07:57] <shirish> (10:53:29  IST) shirish: E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[07:57] <shirish> (10:53:29  IST) shirish: E: Couldn't rebuild package cache
[07:57] <Ubulette> totem is built with my gst so you need both mini repos.. until i break the unnecessary dep.
[07:58] <shirish> ah ok, so i need both, ok cool
[07:58] <Ubulette> but that error is not caused by that
[07:58] <Ubulette> "Package: header" is cleary wrong
[07:58] <shirish> That is what worried me ;)
[07:58] <Ubulette> maybe something slipped in
[07:59] <shirish> right now in the process of the big openoffice.org update, after that is complete, can try again :)
[07:59] <Ubulette> give a few minutes, i just went home
[07:59] <Ubulette> +me
[08:00] <shirish> no issues, take as much time as you need, I'm here for couple of hrs. atleast ;)
[08:01] <shirish> shouldn't that be , give me a few minutes, I just CAME home :P
[08:01] <Ubulette> yeah, tired today :(
[08:02] <shirish> lol , this is when I'm not a native english speaker, you must be really tired.
[08:02] <Ubulette> i'm not either. I'm french
[08:03] <shirish> aha, a frenchman, that's interesting :)
[08:03] <shirish> frenchmen are known to be seducers (for women) ;)
[08:04] <Ubulette> :)
[08:04] <Ubulette> and I live in paris..
[08:05] <shirish> oh oh, the plot gets deeper, the city of romance & anything can happen ;)
[08:05] <shirish> isn't paris full of waterways?
[08:08] <shirish> Ubulette: whatever, take an hr. off, have a bath, chai (tea) or cofee whatever your tipple is ;)
[08:12] <Ubulette> waterways in paris, well, there's the river.. quite big
[08:13] <shirish> I saw some of the movies which showed the waterways of paris & romance. As it is , it is known as the city of romance, just like our Taj Mahal ;)
[08:14] <bluekuja> OMG asac
[08:14] <bluekuja> I'm a MOTU now
[08:14] <bluekuja> I'm damn happy!!!!!!!!!
[08:14] <shirish> bluekuja: congratulations :)
[08:15] <Ubulette> shirish, well, when you live there, it looses some of its magic
[08:15] <bluekuja> shirish: thanks  a lot!!!!!!!!!!
[08:15] <shirish> Ubulette: that's true, I know what you mean
[08:15] <Ubulette> bluekuja, congrats but what did that bring you ?
[08:15] <bluekuja> Ubulette: upload to the archive
[08:15] <bluekuja> I'm an official ubuntu developer now
[08:15] <shirish> bluekuja: expect some package requests directed towards you sometime soon :P
[08:16] <bluekuja> lol
[08:16] <bluekuja> :D
[08:16] <shirish> bluekuja: as it is there are something like 314 odd packages which need-packaging the last time I checked
[08:16] <Ubulette> shirish, could you run the following command and tell me if you see something... like a dpkg-scanpackages usage
[08:16] <shirish> and that was something like a week back or something.
[08:16] <Ubulette> perl -e '$/ = "\n\n"; while (<>) { print "BAD {$_}\n" unless m/^Package/; }' <  /var/lib/apt/lists/www.sofaraway.org_ubuntu_minirepos_gstreamer0.10_Packages
[08:17] <bluekuja> shirish: if you need anything, I'm alwais around to help
[08:17] <bluekuja> remember it
[08:17] <bluekuja> :)
[08:17] <shirish> bluekuja: sure, there are actually some need-packages bugs which I've already filed in launchpad. Some of it really cool if you feel like doing that.
[08:17] <bluekuja> shirish: problem is that we are in new packages freeze
[08:18] <bluekuja> until gutsy+1
[08:18] <shirish> bluekuja: I know that's roughly 2 months from now :(
[08:18] <bluekuja> yep
[08:18] <bluekuja> I gonna take a look at some of them
[08:18] <bluekuja> to be ready in two months
[08:20] <shirish> bluekuja: oh that's cool, you could do something private, like what ubulette is doing & I'll be happy to see if they are good or break with whatever we have now. That much better I guess.
[08:20] <bluekuja> shirish: yeah, I can work with you in a private way
[08:20] <bluekuja> so you can improve your packaging skills
[08:20] <bluekuja> to be ready for next circle
[08:21] <shirish> bluekuja: you misunderstood me, I meant as a user using the mirror, to test it on my system if things break or work, that way.
[08:21] <bluekuja> oh!
[08:21] <bluekuja> shirish: you're not a packager then?
[08:21] <shirish> Ubulette: the problem is for the moment I have unselected the gstreamer package, so it gives me
[08:21] <bluekuja> more a tester?
[08:21] <shirish> bluekuja: right, and right :)
[08:22] <bluekuja> understood!
[08:22] <bluekuja> :)
[08:22] <shirish> bash: /var/lib/apt/lists/www.sofaraway.org_ubuntu_minirepos_gstreamer0.10_Packages: No such file or directory
[08:22] <bluekuja> I have some problems with a package I maintain in debian
[08:22] <bluekuja> gonna give you it to test
[08:22] <bluekuja> what's going on
[08:22] <bluekuja> thanks for helping out anyway
[08:22] <shirish> bluekuja: sure will do , no issues, although don't have a debian machine around atm.
[08:23] <shirish> bluekuja: we are just trying to see what's up with Ubulette's package or something, for there was an error while doing a sudo aptitude update.
[08:24] <Ubulette_> shirish, i know what it is.
[08:24] <shirish> Ubulette_: ok cool :)
[08:24] <bluekuja> oh cool! :)
[08:24] <bluekuja> shirish: I think ubuntu is ok to test it
[08:24] <bluekuja> don't worry
[08:25] <shirish> bluekuja: afaik there are some packaging differences between debian & ubuntu , ain't there?
[08:25] <bluekuja> shirish: only some small things
[08:25] <bluekuja> (on most packages)
[08:25] <Ubulette_> last update updated dpkg that was on hold (as I patched it)
[08:25] <Ubulette_> that's bad
[08:25] <shirish> I had read that somewhere.
[08:26] <bluekuja> some system-type packages needs an ubuntu enviroment
[08:26] <Ubulette_> I have to repatch it and re-hold it
[08:26] <bluekuja> and some specific changes
[08:26] <bluekuja> that's why merges exist
[08:26] <bluekuja> :)
[08:26] <shirish> Ubulette_: dive ahead :)
[08:26] <shirish> bluekuja: true :)
[08:26] <bluekuja> shirish: :)
[08:28] <shirish> bluekuja: there is a wonderful extension called liblicense, its basically a nautilus extension to see creative commons stuff, very nice
[08:28] <shirish> bluekuja: see if you can package it, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Liblicense
[08:28] <bluekuja> oh cool, the package I was talking about is a nautilus extension too
[08:28] <bluekuja> but got some problems
[08:28] <bluekuja> with new nautilus
[08:28] <bluekuja> :/
[08:28] <shirish> bluekuja: lol, this is crazy stuff ;)
[08:29] <bluekuja> yup
[08:29] <bluekuja> getting crazy for it
[08:29] <bluekuja> ;)
[08:29] <shirish> this is one of  the pet bugs   Bug 133899
[08:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133899 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Liblicense" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133899
[08:30] <shirish> bluekuja: tell me which is yours?
[08:31] <bluekuja> shirish: diff-ext
[08:31] <bluekuja> check debian PTS
[08:31] <bluekuja> for infos
[08:31] <bluekuja> I go to have a shower
[08:31] <Ubulette_> me too
[08:31] <bluekuja> then I'm here to write some mails
[08:31] <bluekuja> be back later
[08:31] <bluekuja> ;)
[08:32] <Ubulette_> shirish, i fixed it for good. next package built by my bot will fix all indexes
[08:32] <shirish> bluekuja: take care :)
[08:32] <shirish> Ubulette_: thanx :)
[08:32] <shirish> Ubulette_: although have to say that was fast, I'm sure your employer would be more than happy with you :)
[08:33] <shirish> or customers if its your own thing :)
[08:34] <Ubulette_> my job is not at all to code
[08:34] <Ubulette_> not even unix related
[08:35] <shirish> Ubulette_: management, HR, marketing, training or what?
[08:36] <Ubulette_> mostly engineering
[08:36] <shirish> ok cool, what kind of engineering? there are so many kinds of engineering :)
[08:37] <Ubulette> systems (but not computers)
[08:40] <shirish> electrical systems, power related systems?
[08:40] <Ubulette> lol
[08:40] <Ubulette> networking
[08:41] <Ubulette> you're curious
[08:41] <shirish> cool, so you must have been playing all the time with linksys & netgear stuff
[08:41] <Ubulette> no, much bigger
[08:41] <shirish> knowlege/know-how is always nice
[08:41] <Ubulette> worldwide networking
[08:41] <shirish> oh that's a big jump for me, for sure ;)
[08:42] <Ubulette> shirish, an apt-get update should fix your indexes
[08:43] <shirish> I would be happy with any of the Linksys WRT54G models http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series
[08:44] <shirish> Ubulette: understood, working on it, let the big 115 MiB update be done, then will do an update & upgrade again ;)
[08:44] <Ubulette> i'm more into terabit/s technologies ;)
[08:44] <shirish> that's eons for me, for me if I get an HP network printer printing I'm more than happy
[08:45] <shirish> Ubulette: if interested can send you a mail, I know the printer works, for it works with windows, I can ping it but can't print it.
[08:46] <shirish> Ubulette: also the printer is supported under GNU/Linux & esp. under Ubuntu but still can't get it to function.
[08:46] <Ubulette> cups doesn't work for you ?
[08:47] <shirish> Ubulette: cups works for me, I have an epson printer which works fine (although it doesn't have the perfect driver) but still works fine. Its something else,
[08:47] <shirish> will send you the full details of what commands I have tried & what things I have done, you can tell me what else I should try.
[08:47] <Ubulette> "I can ping it but can't print it" ?? what do you mean by that
[08:47] <Ubulette> (as i said, i'm tired)
[08:48] <shirish> its a network printer, so it has its own IP, hence I said I can ping it.
[08:48] <Ubulette> oh
[08:49] <shirish> Ubulette: btw when you said terabit technologies, are you into internet2?
[08:49] <shirish> I know that's the next generation network that's going to come up
[08:51] <Ubulette> i'm one of their suppliers ;)
[08:51] <Ubulette> well, enough questions on that please
[08:51] <shirish> omg that's out of this world man
[08:52] <shirish> oh sorry, couldn't help it, I'm sure lot of guys and girls get turned on by faster speeds ;)
[08:52] <Ubulette> :)
[08:53] <Ubulette> shower time
[08:53] <Ubulette> brb
[08:53] <shirish> sure, by the time you return, there should be a success story in here (as far as gst & totem are concerned) ;)
[09:12] <shirish> bluekuja: whenever you returned, I found your package on the debian pts a long time ago, http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/diff-ext.html also the 2 bugs due to which it didn't get into testing
[09:12] <shirish> returned/return
[09:17] <shirish> Ubulette: things seem to work atm, rest later :)
[09:38] <Ubulette> back
[09:38] <Ubulette> asac, we now have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>twice
[09:39] <Ubulette> We can drop the one from ff and link the one from xul
[09:48] <Ubulette> I mean, drop firefox-*-dom-inspector
[10:29] <asac> Ubulette: is that what we want?
[10:29] <Ubulette> i think so
[10:29] <Ubulette> as it could be shared by other xul apps
[10:30] <Ubulette> just by providing a symlink
[10:30] <asac> Mirv: scheduled for next upload
[10:30] <Ubulette> I committed to .dev and I'm building it (well, my bot is)
[10:30] <asac> Ubulette: aren't there any browser/ tweaks in the firefox dom inspector?
[10:31] <Ubulette> it's from the same sources
[10:31] <Ubulette> same files, sames sizes
[10:31] <Ubulette> -s
[10:32] <Ubulette> bot is done. good. updating :)
[10:34] <asac> fine
[10:34] <Ubulette> hmm. i have double balloons in google reader
[10:34] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/double-balloon.png
[10:34] <asac> Ubulette: one mor thing ... so firefox doesn't load extensions in xulrunner/extensions?
[10:34] <asac> we have to link them?
[10:35] <Ubulette> correct
[10:35] <Ubulette> at least, i had to link for it to work. don't know if it's the expected behavior
[10:35] <bluekuja> heya asac!
[10:35] <bluekuja> thanks for before!
[10:35] <bluekuja> I'm really happy man!
[10:36] <asac> bluekuja: yeah ;)
[10:36] <bluekuja> asac: it was something like a dream you know
[10:36] <bluekuja> 3 years of work
[10:36] <bluekuja> hours spent on packages
[10:37] <bluekuja> and now I'm an official devel
[10:37] <asac> bluekuja: wow ... thats long ... now that you have come so far you should keep up the pace :) ... learn more and new things
[10:37] <bluekuja> yeah
[10:37] <bluekuja> you're still my teacher
[10:37] <bluekuja> remember it
[10:37] <bluekuja> :)
[10:37] <asac> its easier to build upon a solid foundation then starting with nothing
[10:37] <asac> so the next 3 years can bring you really far ;)
[10:37] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[10:38] <bluekuja> asac: can you still mentor me?
[10:38] <bluekuja> teach me?
[10:38] <bluekuja> for debian as well
[10:38] <asac> bluekuja: well ... i rarily refuse questions
[10:38] <asac> bluekuja: however i probably won't be your AM ;) ... thats something that i cannot force
[10:39] <bluekuja> yeah, I know.  Should i have added replace too ?
[10:40] <asac> no ... i don't know any
[10:40] <bluekuja> ok nice to hear
[10:41] <asac> Ubulette: who provides dom-inspector?
[10:41] <asac> who == what package
[10:41] <asac> we probably have a xul-dom-inspector now, right?
[10:41] <Ubulette> firefox-trunk as the goal is to jsut drop the package for good for those who installed it
[10:42] <bluekuja> asac: perfect :)
[10:42] <Ubulette> well, xul being a toolkit, i don't see the reason to split it. should we ?
[10:42] <asac> Ubulette: i am unsure ... if you make firefox-trunk depend on xulrunner-dom-inspector ... all firefox-trunk would get it
[10:42] <asac> Ubulette: well ... as long as its just xul, i am not sure ... but for things like gnome-support it should probably be split
[10:42] <asac> because it forces depends on e.g. kde users
[10:43] <Ubulette> I just want firefox-trunk-dom-inspector to disappear
[10:43] <asac> so as a rule ... don't strip down because of size, but do so if you can eliminate depends of core xul/firefox
[10:44] <asac> Ubulette: why not just make firefox-trunk-dom-inspector depend on xulrunner-dom-inspector and create the link?
[10:44] <asac> i see that its good to eliminate things ... but pumping up the default firefox insall with extensions might not be what our users want.
[10:45] <asac> (though unsure)
[10:46] <Ubulette> well, with libxul, ff no longer provides any extention (except its default theme) so I don't see why we should keep neither dom nor gnome
[10:46] <Ubulette> both are part of xul now
[10:46] <asac> Ubulette: right ... the question is if you want all xul extensions installed automatically be installed for firefox-trunk as well
[10:47] <asac> since upstream appears not to look in xulrunner extensions directory by default its probably not how upstream thinks about it
[10:47] <asac> e.g. each xul app should select the extensions it wants
[10:47] <Ubulette> as i said yesterday, ext + xul is still a wip
[10:48] <Ubulette> they commit changes everyday just for that
[10:48] <Ubulette> i'm front edge here :)
[10:48] <asac> Ubulette: right ... however i think that its safe to assume that they won't end up enabling all installed xul extensions by deafult in all xul apps
[10:49] <Ubulette> hm
[10:49] <asac> e.g. you might have a fully pumped up xulrunner install ... but still want a real lightweight xul app runnin on top of that
[10:49] <asac> but as yu said ... target still moving
[10:49] <asac> so i would suggest to keep things as they are and take a look once things have stabilized
[10:49] <asac> alternatively one could ask benjamin about his vision in #xulrunner on irc.mozilla.org :)
[10:50] <Ubulette> one could.. yes.
[10:50] <asac> i can do that ;)
[10:50] <asac> if you don't want :)
[10:51] <asac> just let me know so we don't double bother him ;)
[10:51] <Ubulette> well, you seems to know him. go ahead :)
[10:51] <asac> i know him only little better then you ... mostly from bug mail ... and just a bit chatting
[10:51] <Ubulette> log your stuff if you can :)
[10:52] <asac> ok ... will try to set that up ;)
[10:53] <Ubulette> hmm. xul installs dom with platform/{WINNT,OS2,Linux}, we dont want that
[10:56] <asac> Ubulette: in chrome?
[10:56] <Ubulette> no<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:57] <bluekuja> asac: forgot to ask you
[10:57] <bluekuja> the people.ubuntu.com space
[10:57] <bluekuja> for developers
[10:57] <bluekuja> how can I access it?
[10:58] <asac> i think its canonical :(
[10:58] <bluekuja> really?
[10:58] <bluekuja> every MOTU got it
[10:58] <asac> let me see
[10:58] <bluekuja> that's why I asked
[10:59] <asac> i just see two dozens of accounts there ...
[10:59] <asac> i think the name should be changed ... though no idea
[10:59] <asac> if that will happen
[10:59] <Ubulette> totem-2.21.0+svn20070911r4693
[10:59] <Ubulette> youhouhuuuu
[10:59] <Ubulette> 2.21 :)
[11:00] <asac> in debian everybody gets an account on people.debian.org for instance
[11:00] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:00] <bluekuja> damn keyboard
[11:00] <bluekuja> leaving cya tomorrq
[11:00] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:01] <asac> night!
[11:01] <asac> drink a beer ;)
[11:01] <asac> Ubulette: 2.21?
[11:01] <asac> i am not familiar with the versioning scheme
[11:01] <bluekuja> I will lol
[11:01] <bluekuja> cya
[11:02] <Ubulette> yep, 2.21 because they passed the gnome 2.20 freeze i guess
[11:02] <Ubulette> or jumped over it
[11:02] <Ubulette> or got sick of it maybe
[11:03] <Ubulette> donno
[11:03] <asac> right ... i thought it was aligned with gnome release
[11:03] <asac> probably they branched off the 2.20 branch and now go ahead
[11:04] <Ubulette> cool, i should do that for the whole gnome beast, so I'll not even notice the ubuntu freeze ;)
[11:04] <asac> haha
[11:04] <Ubulette> I'm close to that already
[11:05] <asac> what is missing?
[11:05] <Ubulette> gtk for once.. but the gutsy one is heavily hacked
[11:06] <asac> heavily hacked?
[11:06] <asac> how many patches do we have?
[11:06] <Ubulette> last time i've checked, there were huge patches
[11:07] <Ubulette> it was 3~4 months ago
[11:07] <asac> well in the beginning of the cycle seb probably prepatches lots of thigns
[11:07] <asac> 21 patches
[11:08] <asac> oh 20 :)
[11:09] <asac> ok filesel is apparently really hacked
[11:09] <asac> intersting
[11:09] <asac> 004_gtk+-ximian-gtk2-filesel-navbutton-5.patch
[11:11] <asac> oh ... we have an input method patch as well ... hope its not the reason for the IM crashes we see in ffox
[11:11] <Ubulette> who knows
[11:12] <Ubulette> that's the kind of patches that makes me willing to add the video patch to ff trunk
[11:13] <asac> Ubulette: which video patch are you talking about?
[11:14] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/firefox-video-element-patch-version-4.html
[11:16] <Ubulette> hmm, nautilus is not there yet ;) nautilus_2.19.92+svn20070911r13140+bbot-1
[11:16] <asac> Ubulette: gnome apps are independent ... they just get together for release ;)
[11:17] <Ubulette> this should be interesting too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546498
[11:19] <asac> Ubulette: help them :) ... provide a patches nautilus through ppa or something ;) ... so they can test
[11:20] <Ubulette> a few guys already provided debs
[11:21] <mertiki> asac : hello asac, you asked me to ack you about sunbird-locales, did you have time to work on this?
[11:21] <asac> mertiki: sorry no ... you provided ready to review packages?
[11:21] <mertiki> yeah, I said it on the bug
[11:21] <asac> i think you did :) ...
[11:21] <asac> ah
[11:22] <asac> is that bug properly scheduled?
[11:22] <asac> mertiki: yes its fine ... i shouldn't miss it
[11:23] <mertiki> asac : I don't think so, I uploaded the package to REVU after Gutsy tribe 6 so it needs to get a exception in order to get in repositories, they need your point of view on that before
[11:23] <mertiki> asac : thanks :)
[11:23] <asac> mertiki: right ... don't bother about exception ... that won't be a problem
[11:23] <mertiki> it's what I though
[11:24] <mertiki> thanks about that, you can email me anytime if you need info or anything
[11:24] <mertiki> @++
[11:25] <asac> mertiki: yes ... keep on bugging me ... i have downloaded it and will take a final look first thing in the morngin
[11:25] <asac> mertiki: thanks for your work on this!
[11:25] <mertiki> great :)
[11:25] <mertiki> I'm happy I can help Ubuntu getting better
[11:26] <asac> mertiki: there is a contribution ...
[11:26] <asac> oh gone
[11:26] <Ubulette> :)
[11:27] <asac> its interesting that some people are always in such a hurry to leave a channel ;)
[11:27] <asac> hi cwong1
[11:27] <cwong1> hi
[11:27] <asac> cwong1: any news?
[11:29] <cwong1> just 1 sec
[11:31] <cwong1> It crashed because "presShell->GetPrimaryFrameFro (elementContent, &frame)" return with frame=null
[11:32] <asac> oh
[11:32] <asac> let me think ;)
[11:35] <asac> cwong1: ok i think we have to traverse up to parent content until we get to content that has a frame
[11:36] <asac> or just try if the document has a frame as well :/
[11:36] <cwong1> asac: ok..
[11:40] <asac> cwong1: do you have a finished to build tree there?
[11:40] <asac> mine apparently has been cleaned somehow :/
[11:40] <cwong1> I have a build tree, yes
[11:41] <asac> so takes a bit to do anything at all here :/
[11:41] <asac> ok cool
[11:41] <cwong1> do u want me to try something here?
[11:41] <asac> try if nsCOMPtr<nsIContent> elementContent = do_QueryInterface(elementNode); -> nsCOMPtr<nsIContent> elementContent = do_QueryInterface(ownerDocument); works
[11:42] <asac> of course place that a few lines below (e.g. after ownerDocument is set)
[11:42] <asac> i think we should traverse up in the end ... but maybe it just works for now
[11:43] <cwong1> hangon I will give it a try
[11:43] <asac> great
[11:43] <asac> its in nsHildonXEventService__peek_window_from_dom_element
[11:45] <asac> we just want the top level window that contains the element ... so it doesn't matter which element we peek ... as long as its guaranteed to be in the same top-level window
[11:45] <asac> so if the document element has a frame it is most likely the right window ... though there might be cases where it isn't ... so in the end we should really traverse up
[11:45] <asac> but lets see if the document element has a frame at all ;)
[11:47] <cwong1> Please take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/130/ and tell me exactly what to change
[11:48] <Ubulette> asac, i've updated trunk.dev (i hate that name) so dom and venkman are two optional packages. i haven't split xul for now. I'll wait for you to discuss with benjamin.
[11:49] <asac> cwong1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131/
[11:50] <asac> Ubulette: trunk.dev == firefox.trunk.dev ?
[11:50] <Ubulette> yes
[11:50] <Ubulette> trunk.dev is the name of the branch
[11:51] <asac> ok thats fine ... so once xul is split those packages will just ship a link and a proper depend?
[11:51] <asac> Ubulette: right ;)
[11:51] <Ubulette> right
[11:51] <asac> Ubulette: but now they ship the real content?
[11:51] <asac> or links already?
[11:51] <Ubulette> link
[11:51] <asac> ok even better
[11:52] <Ubulette> tiny debs :)
[11:52] <asac> Ubulette: i will sleep a night ... tomorrow we can rename the branches ;)
[11:52] <asac> (most likely)
[11:52] <asac> as i am a bit schizophrenic ;)
[11:53] <Ubulette> :)
[11:53] <asac> cwong1: you just need to run make in midbrowser/components to test the build
[11:54] <cwong1> hang on I have someone here
[11:54] <asac> sure
[11:59] <asac> cwong1: i will be here for another 30 minutes ... i have to get up at a ridiculous early time tomorrow morning :(
[11:59] <cwong1> ok that's fine.
[12:01] <cwong1> asac: the crashed gone now but nothing popups up ..
[12:03] <Ubulette> asac, i'm concerned by the fact that i build 9 extentions in xul but only ship 2 (dom and venkman)
[12:04] <cwong1> asac: anyway if you have time to look into this tomorrow on how I can get a simple popup to come up, I would greatly appreciate it... :)
[12:05] <asac> cwong1: sure ... will look
[12:05] <cwong1> tx and have a good night sleep
[12:05] <asac> cwong1: yes u2
[12:06] <asac> Ubulette: hmm ... what about the others?
[12:06] <asac> Ubulette: they might be useful for other apps but not ffox?
[12:06] <Ubulette> not in extensions/* for sure
[12:06] <Ubulette> DEB_MOZ_EXTENSIONS=xml-rpc,venkman,inspector,irc,gnomevfs,cview,tasks,reporter,python/xpcom
[12:14] <asac> Ubulette: gnomevfs we want
[12:14] <asac> xml-rpc as well i guess
[12:15] <Ubulette> i know. but they are not xpi like venkman and inspector


[15:52]  * SuperLag wonders how much RHEL's latest actions will drive companies toward Ubuntu. 🤔
[16:06] <mybalzitch> surely there's gotta be a better choice
[20:23] <effendy[m]> I wonder why the language which is used to describe cloud-init-related stuff is so bad.
[20:23] <effendy[m]> "bootcmd is very much like boothook, but possibly with more friendly."
[20:25] <effendy[m]> In some random cloud-init log at some point I found "ran" instead of "run" (probably because they thought the participle cannot be identical with the infinitive) and so on. This really stands out in an ugly way. And I'm not criticizing people's language skills, just the lack of awareness (as in, check with someone who knows, etc.)
[20:38] <falcojr> thanks effendy[m], we're doing what we can to make docs better, but there's still some low hanging fruit we haven't caught. I'll put up a PR for that bootcmd one shortly. If you have the full log for that ran/run one, I can take care of that too. For anything else you find, we always appreciate docs bugs in Github. You can use the 'Give feedback'
[20:38] <falcojr> button on the top of our readthedocs docs.
[20:40] <effendy[m]> falcojr: Thank you. It's nice to see that you're open to it. A lot of people have a different take on that and believe that it really doesn't matter as long as "people understand the message" :)
[20:41] <effendy[m]> I'm no native speaker myself, but when it comes to published texts I try to be as careful as possible, check with native speakers and so on.
[20:42] <falcojr> yes, both are important :)
[20:43] <effendy[m]> But on this occasion I was able to solve an issue that I had with the ova cloudimage templates :) I wrote a bug report here https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4188 related to how cloudinit changed its behaviour around a week ago (it also starts the init-network before rebooting). It didn't do that in the May templates.
[20:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Issue 4188 in canonical/cloud-init "cloud-init changes behaviour with ubuntu cloud image ova starting from version 20230602" [Open]
[20:44] <effendy[m]> and the solution was using - [cloud-init-per, once, ... ]
[20:44] <effendy[m]> in order to stop ssh just once, before rebooting.
[20:48] <falcojr> ahh good. I'm glad it worked for you
[20:48] <falcojr> if you have any other cloud-init specific things, you can join user over in #cloud-init too
[20:54] <effendy[m]> I'm not very sure how I can join this room from element :)
[21:00] <effendy[m]> ah, I think it might be #cloud-init:libera.chat
[21:01] <effendy[m]> indeed


[08:52] <kalikiana> t1mp: FYI if you noticed several rebuilds of your fixI18nDocs going by that's me trying to fix autolanding in Jenkins and re-trying
[09:21] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok, thanks
[09:21] <t1mp> kalikiana: do we know what is wrong with jenkins?
[09:22] <kalikiana> t1mp: It's failing to grab the build artifacts, for now I'm trying to make it skip in that case so that it doesn't prevent autolandings
[09:24] <kalikiana> (If you noticed some "tar" or "cp" commands with 'not found' that's it)
[09:26] <t1mp> why? does some filesystem not get mounted?
[20:08] <capum321> hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 ->  mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz