[22:33] <Che-Anarc> Those modules in my x.org still have not had any effect to the direct rendering... I'm wondering if maybe my computers too old?
[22:33] <bastid_raZor> EchoedSilence; okay, use ext3 instead of ext2.. that may work better
[22:33] <Jowi> dZen|n|, first make sure sshd is running (restart it to see if you get errors or not), secondly, if you are behind a router you need to set up portforwarding in it pointing to the machine running sshd.
[22:34] <EchoedSilence> bastid_raz0r: Alright. I'll try later. got some HW. anything else in case it sticks at 15%? It doesn't freeze, as i can use firefox, but the installation does.
[22:34] <mjw-> Che-Anarc you might try googling about for your chipset and xorg.conf ...might find some example ones
[22:34] <bastid_raZor> EchoedSilence; that should do it. good luck
[22:34] <mjw-> Che-Anarc the 82830 should work
[22:34] <EchoedSilence> bastid_raz0r: Thanks mate. I'll need it.
[22:34] <EchoedSilence> And he's gone
[22:34] <Necrodrako> hello, I'm trying to install beryl, (ive gotten this error with other programs as well though) when I use "./configure" i get the error "configure:error: C compiler cannot create executables See 'config.log' for more details." im not sure what im looking for but u put the config.log on pastebin http://pastebin.com/m18ab00ab can anyone help me?
[22:34] <norty> Another question: i've just installed postgresql-8.3 but when i type into the terminal %> postgresql or %> postgresql-8.3 it doesn't find the application, where do applications get installed when using apt-get install ?
[22:34] <dZen|n|> Jowi: I know that, my only problem is my freaking sound card. sorry but I need to let it out
[22:35] <joshjacklin> hiyu i was wondering if someone could help me ive been told about a media center for ubuntu but i was wondering if it would work with kubuntu
[22:35] <Che-Anarc> how to kill a process by PID?
[22:35] <Itaku> kill -9 PID
[22:35] <Haegin> Necrodrako, have you install build-essential?
[22:35] <Bodsda> joshjacklin, most likely,.,.gnome apps work on kde and vice versa
[22:35] <joshjacklin> nice cheers
[22:35] <joshjacklin> i thought that was the case
[22:36] <salah_> salah_, stop taking my name idiot... and bye
[22:36] <joshjacklin> can i sudo get it or google fer it
[22:36] <dZen|n|> see ya tomorrow !
[22:36] <salah_> ops
[22:36] <Bodsda> Che-Anarc, killall (exact name of program) works well
[22:36] <Che-Anarc> mjw-  Any suggestions as what more I can try?... I've tried googling it without much luck but mind you I didnt try chipset.
[22:36] <Necrodrako> haegin: i was unaware that i needed to install something else.
[22:37] <Jowi> salah, you can register your nick you know
[22:37] <abort_retry_fail> Necrodrako: why beryl and not compiz-fusion?
[22:37] <Bodsda> Necrodrako, you need build-essential   to use the make command i believe
[22:37] <Jowi> !register | salah
[22:37] <ubotu> salah: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:37] <Haegin> Necrodrako, you need build-essential to compile programs from source
[22:37] <jacekowski> is anybody familiar with .co.uk domain transfer procedure?
[22:37] <jacekowski> do i need to send any papers to nominet?
[22:38] <Necrodrako> haegin: where do  get build-essentials? i dont see anythign by that title under synaptic
[22:38] <ompaul> jacekowski, offtopic for here
[22:38] <jacekowski> ompaul: i'm ubuntu user - on topic enough
[22:38] <Bodsda> Jowi, sorry late reply,.,.just read the forum,.i dont wont to disable the ctrl+alt+backspace -- i want to add a command to the logout script it runs
[22:38] <Necrodrako> abort_retry_fail does compiz-fusion have the cube?
[22:38] <abort_retry_fail> Necrodrako: yeah
[22:38] <jacekowski> Necrodrako: yes
[22:38] <ompaul> !offtopic | jacekowski
[22:38] <ubotu> jacekowski: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[22:38] <Bodsda> Necrodrako, yes it does
[22:38] <abort_retry_fail> !beryl | Necrodrako
[22:38] <ubotu> Necrodrako: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:38] <Haegin> Necrodrako, yes - compiz fusion is recommended unless you have a reason to avoid it
[22:38] <mjw-> Che-Anarc from my searching it appears DRI with the 830 is crummy anyway...oh well :/
[22:39] <abort_retry_fail> !compiz | Necrodrako
[22:39] <ubotu> Necrodrako: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[22:39] <sxealex_> compiz fusions is amaxing
[22:39]  * sxealex_ raises the roof
[22:39] <Jowi> Bodsda, here's how it works. 1 disable Xorgs Ctrl-Alt-Backspace keycombo. 2 create a script that runs the commands you need. 3 in gnome create a new keycombo for ctrl-alt-backspace that runs your script.
[22:39] <shawn_selig29> hi guys
[22:39] <Necrodrako> haegin: well still, how would i install build-essentials
[22:40] <Bodsda> Jowi, where can i find the script that ctrl+alt+backspace runs at the moment,.,.??
[22:40] <Haegin> Necrodrako, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[22:40] <shawn_selig29> i just installed forstwire..and it wont even connect......i now read it has connect issues.....so im triyng to uninstall it but its not in add/remove wat can i do?
[22:40] <Bodsda> Necrodrako, sudo apt-get instal build-essential
[22:40] <Strangelet> Sometimes, in a couple of games, clicking the left-mouse-button will cause the screen to flash a black screen for a brief second. Also, running native linux games give me strangeness when I try to move the game window, it leaves an imprint of the game on it's earlier location. Any good fixes any of you could give?
[22:40] <clinton> Today's an awesome holiday!  and not for that silly valentine's day, it's my b-day =)
[22:40] <Cyanide1> ok i cant get the key to work so how to i remove it
[22:40] <Jowi> Bodsda, no idea. i think it's a function of the X server.
[22:41] <Strangelet> clinton; I don't think it's a holiday.. :P
[22:41] <salah> Jowi, I know, but it's a asshole that steals my name
[22:41] <Bodsda> Jowi, none the less -- a key combination has to be assigned to a script,.,.cheers
[22:41] <Strangelet> clinton: but happy birthday :)
[22:41] <clinton> Strangelet: to bad, I do :)
[22:41] <ompaul> salah, please mind your language
[22:41] <Necrodrako> bodsda, thank you
[22:41] <clinton> Strangelet: ty!
[22:41] <salah> Anyways, is there any developers of Ubuntu here? I know about a good tip
[22:41] <salah> ompaul, I am sorry
[22:41] <Bodsda> does anyone know what script ctrl+alt+backspace runs, and where i can find it?
[22:41] <Strangelet> clinton; no prob. ;)
[22:41] <Bodsda> Necrodrako, no probs ;~)
[22:42] <Strangelet> Bobsda: I think it restarts x server
[22:42] <dogmeat> updating my version to the latest, but /etc/ubuntu-release still says 7.04 which represents fiesty, not gusty, any ideas?
[22:42] <Necrodrako> Thank everyone who helped me!
[22:42] <ompaul> !upgrade | dogmeat
[22:42] <ubotu> dogmeat: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:42] <Bodsda> Strangelet, correct, but i need to view the script it runs to do that
[22:42] <kbrooks> dogmeat, type lsb_release -a
[22:43] <Jowi> Bodsda, instead of trying to hunt down the function, why not just do what I recommended. it's a real solution to what you want and will work.
[22:43] <abort_retry_fail> i got disconnected somehow and now that i'm back my nick is still logged in -- how do i reclaim it?
[22:44] <Bodsda> Jowi, how will it work if i cant impliment the original commands it has aswell,.,. i still want it to restart x, i just want it to save my session first?
[22:44] <ompaul> !register > abort_retry_fail (check out #freenode or freenode.net to understand IRC more)
[22:44] <Strangelet> abort_retry_fail: type in "/nick" along with your real nickname, it should change back. :)
[22:45] <sean_> I can't see any files on my desktop? I know there are some there, they just aren't showing up.
[22:45] <ompaul> !nickspam > ConstyXIV-AFK
[22:45] <abort_retry_fail> Strangelet: already in use
[22:45] <kool_kat_os> what disto?
[22:45] <Bodsda> sean_, have you done anything with compiz?
[22:45] <kool_kat_os> r u using?
[22:45] <Strangelet> abort_retry_fail: Oh, I think there is a kill function here somewhar, I will look for it
[22:45] <sean_> Bodsda: yes actually
[22:46] <Jowi> Bodsda, can't help you there.
[22:46] <Bodsda> sean_, did you try to get 4 desktop wallpapers by any chance?
[22:46] <Bodsda> Jowi, ok cheers for the help ;
[22:46] <Bodsda> ;~)
[22:46] <ompaul> abort_retry_fail, do this  /msg nickserv help ghost
[22:46] <sean_> Bodsda: nope. I tried to enable it but it wouldn't work.
[22:46] <Elite2B> Why are there not that many people using PC-BSD?
[22:46] <ompaul> Elite2B, offtopic for here ;-)
[22:47] <pike_> Elite2B: here are but they all hang out in #freebsd ;p
[22:47] <Elite2B> Does it matter?
[22:47] <ompaul> ues
[22:47] <ompaul> yes
[22:47] <Bodsda> sean_, congrats,.,.youve broken nautilus,.,.install it in synaptic,.,.search for nautilus,.,.did you try and use the walkthrough on a forum?
[22:47] <abort_retry_fail> GHOST prince_jammys
[22:47] <sean_> Bodsda: okay, thanks
[22:47] <Elite2B> I wished the good old days was still around.. when IRC was fun.!~
[22:48] <Bodsda> sean_, ive tried the same thing btw,.,. theres meant to be a nautilus patch which stops it from breaking,.but it didnt work for me,.,.hopefully, 4 wallpapers will be working in hardy
[22:48] <abort_retry_fail> GHOST <prince_jammys>
[22:48] <prince_jammys> aaah
[22:48] <Smegzor> 3 of the main ubuntu repositories are reporting as hash failed or something.  Is that something I can fix or do I wait for it to fix itself?
[22:48] <prince_jammys> ompaul: thx
[22:50] <P> need help here!!! someone!!
[22:50] <ompaul> !helpme | p
[22:50] <boinker> do u have to configure u xorg.conf file in order to produce higher frame rates on higher resolutions
[22:50] <boinker> ?
[22:50] <ubotu> p: Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience
[22:50] <Smegzor> How do I fix this?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-proposed/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch
[22:51] <jappdev> Smegzor: make sure you're not behind a proxy, i had this problem until i removed squid on my firewall
[22:51] <ompaul> !resolution | boinker (check message from ubotu for community answer on resolution)
[22:51] <ubotu> boinker (check message from ubotu for community answer on resolution): The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:51] <kjoz> Hey, does anyone know if Jack_Sparrow is around ?
[22:51] <Smegzor> i'm definitely not behind a proxy
[22:51] <Bodsda> kjoz, no he's not
[22:51] <Bodsda> kjoz, can we help?
[22:52] <haxality> hi all
[22:52] <haxality> I was wondering how to set the font used during system startup
[22:52] <kjoz> Bodsda: I had a problem yesterday with sound and he helped me out, didnt get the chance to thank him
[22:53] <kjoz> Bodsda: when you see him next time could you tell him that i appreciated the help ?
[22:53] <Bodsda> kjoz, oh, ok,.,..if you type half of his name in then try and auto-complete it with 'tab' that will tell you if h's on,.,.if it completes his name, then he's here, if it doesnt,then he's not
[22:53] <Bodsda> kjoz, yer, i will,.,.no probs
[22:53] <HazardX> how would I go about rerunning the install time configuration of the default user?
[22:53] <jappdev> Smegzor: which repos are failing?
[22:53] <HazardX> after the system has been installed?
[22:53] <Photocopy> Right.
[22:53] <bert1> hey people...
[22:54] <bert1> i got the new ubuntu
[22:54] <Cyanide1> how do i remove wine so i stop getting this W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>7EE263
[22:54] <Photocopy> In ubuntu 7.10 my (I think its a creative or something ) Sound card does not work/was not detected/whatever happened. Help?
[22:54] <Smegzor> gutsy-proposed  (do you need more info than that?)
[22:54] <kjoz> Bodsda: Thanks, appreciate it :) Great community here, going to stick with linux for a long time, a lot better than MS :)
[22:54] <HazardX> (or actually, in this case, running it the first time)
[22:54] <Bodsda> !time > HazardX      read pm from ubotu
[22:54] <bert1> and desktop effects and wobbly windows worked stright away...
[22:54] <Bodsda> kjoz, glad you like it ;~)
[22:54] <bert1> but how do i activate/use the cube desktop???
[22:54] <Photocopy> kjoz; as long as you aren't a gamer, you should be using linux.
[22:54] <bert1> does anyone know?
[22:54] <HazardX> ....I don't need to set the clock
[22:54] <nickrud> Cyanide1: you would remove the file in /etc/apt/sources.list that mentions budgetdedicated (but getting the gpg key so it validates is another option)
[22:54] <ompaul> I will removing a large series of bans - prepare for some scrolling
[22:55] <HazardX> During installation the user setup stage got skipped,
[22:55] <Bodsda> HazardX, ok sorry,.,.didnt understand your question fully
[22:55] <HazardX> yea, its kinda an odd one.
[22:55] <nickrud> Cyanide1: erm, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* , could be there as well
[22:55] <Cyanide1> ive tryed it wont
[22:55] <ompaul> NOTICE  I will removing a large series of bans - prepare for some scrolling  I'll say when it it is done  ;-)
[22:55] <Photocopy> !sound
[22:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:55] <Smegzor> I notice that I often get one or more seemingly random repos have a hash sum mismatch or just not be available at all.  I don't know whats causing it.
[22:55] <chris062689_> ... What's going on?
[22:56] <nickrud> chris062689: ban clearing, just wait (it sucks)
[22:56] <Bodsda> chris062689, he sent a NOTICE -- he's removing bans ,.,.it will only take a sec
[22:56] <Cyanide1> ho do i get to /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:56] <ompaul> NOTICE  I will removing a large series of bans - prepare for some scrolling  I'll say when it it is done  ;-)
[22:56] <nickrud> Cyanide1: in a terminal, cd /etc/apt
[22:56] <ompaul> done!
[22:56] <chris062689_> Oh, ok sorry about that, I just logged in to see all of this.
[22:56] <ompaul> sorry about that housekeeping
[22:56] <Bodsda> Cyanide1, through terminal or nautilus?
[22:56] <jappdev> Smegzor: hmm, odd, which mirror are you using? (ex us.archive.ubuntu.com)
[22:56] <haxality> I was wondering how to set the font used during system startup
[22:56] <Smegzor> main
[22:56] <pike_> Cyanide1: either use preferences in synaptic or gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:56] <nickrud> Cyanide1: then sudoedit sourcesl.list
[22:56] <jac0b> how do I search for terms in ubuntu
[22:56] <Smegzor> hang on ..  I check
[22:56] <chris062689_> I have a question.
[22:57] <nickrud> Cyanide1: also, look in the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[22:57] <chris062689_> Is it possible to change the menu icon into a PNG in the GNOME Menu?
[22:57] <Bodsda> nickrud, sourcesl.list?
[22:57] <neolith2099> I had a screensaver open to look through them and a few opengl ones appear to lockup the system. It doesn't actually crash because my music still plays, but the keyboard wont work. Is there any keyboard combo that I can use to kill X, besides CTRL+ALT+BACKSAPCE (that wont work either)
[22:57] <nickrud> Bodsda: lovely typo there :)
[22:57] <HazardX> how can I add a GUI-admin access user from the command line?
[22:57] <Bodsda> nickrud, dont you just love 'em ,.,.;~)
[22:57] <nickrud> Cyanide1: that should have been sudoedit sources.list
[22:57] <LavieX> Hey Everyone - Can someone point me too a good website that gives recommendations on laptops to use with Ubuntu?
[22:57] <Zvezdichko> wow... how silly I am! I installed Epiphany and I expected to have the browser. Now I have a very stange game
[22:57] <HazardX> (as in a user that in the GUI is seen as having access to synaptic)
[22:57] <chris062689_> lol
[22:57] <jac0b> is the search function broken
[22:57] <nickrud> Bodsda: and I don't even have the excuse of typing on my lap this time
[22:58] <Cyanide1> (gedit:8987): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[22:58] <Cyanide1> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[22:58] <Photocopy> !sound
[22:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:58] <Bodsda> nickrud, and whats sudoedit  ,.,.ive never heard of it,.,.is it a cli editor?
[22:58] <nickrud> Cyanide1: that's ok, its only a warning
[22:58] <Bodsda> nickrud, thats the only bad use of wireless keybords.,.lol
[22:58] <chris062689_> !fluxbox
[22:58] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[22:58] <butsniffer> anyone running them WD 500gig drives?
[22:58] <nickrud> Bodsda: it's an $EDITOR wrapper for sudo
[22:59] <Bodsda> nickrud, in n00b terms please
[22:59] <Cyanide1> i get the sources.list but theres nothing really there
[22:59] <Bodsda> Cyanide1, sources.list is a large text file containing repositories
[22:59] <Bodsda> Cyanide1, or rather repo locations
[23:00] <nickrud> Bodsda: it calls whatever editor is defined by EDITOR environment variable, and runs sudo on the file
[23:00] <chris062689_> Is it possible to set the GNOME menu icon to a PNG?
[23:00] <alex123> hey guys, i read that gstreamer-ffmpeg 0.10.3 fixes the flv seeking bug. but the gutsy repo only has 0.10.2. How do I go about upgrading the package?
[23:00] <Strangelet> Sometimes, in a couple of games, clicking the left-mouse-button will cause the screen to flash a black screen for a brief second. Also, running native linux games give me strangeness when I try to move the game window, it leaves an imprint of the game on it's earlier location. Any good fixes any of you could give?
[23:00] <Cyanide1> ok so how do i find the one with wine
[23:00] <jdix123> I can't get my laptop to display any desktop effects - so compiz fusion doesn't want to work.  I'm running Hardy on a Compaq Evo N610c notebook
[23:00] <jappdev> jdix123 see #ubuntu+1 for hardy support
[23:00] <jdix123> thanks
[23:01] <Bodsda> nickrud, ah,.so i could set $EDITOR to gedit and when i run  sudoeditor ./sources.list    it would open gedit on sources.list with sudo priviledges?
[23:01] <nickrud> Cyanide1: look through the file, do you see budgetdedicated listed there?
[23:01] <Bodsda> chris062689_, what do you mean by "GNOME menu icon"??
[23:01] <Smegzor> jappdev: nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch  (this one is fine if I switch to Main).
[23:01] <nickrud> Bodsda: better would be setting VISUAL , if it's set it's preferred in X
[23:01] <Smegzor> jappdev: I'm going to change my dns servers.  That might help.
[23:02] <chris062689_> In the default instal of Ubuntu, the Ubuntu icon at the top left corner.  That one
[23:02] <chris062689_> I want to replace it with a PNG  is that possible?
[23:02] <prince_jammys> !hardy | jdix123
[23:02] <ubotu> jdix123: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:02] <Bodsda> nickrud, yer, ok,.,. cheers for the info
[23:03] <haxality> I was wondering how to set the font used during system startup
[23:03] <Bodsda> chris062689_, yes, i suppose it has to be defined somewhere,.,.where i do not no though
[23:03] <chris062689_> I would assume it's somewhere in the gconf editor
[23:03] <Bodsda> haxality, as in the fonts that grub use?
[23:03] <Bodsda> chris062689_, have a look ;~)
[23:03] <nickrud> Cyanide1: found it?
[23:03] <haxality> more the fonts immediately after grub hands off the bootloading, actually
[23:04] <Bodsda> haxality, ah,.,.not sure,.. i dont even know what prog controlls that im afraid
[23:04] <nickrud> haxality: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[23:04] <Cyanide1> Nickrud no i didnt its not there
[23:04] <haxality> woot
[23:04] <haxality> thank you!
[23:04] <Itaku> hai der is there liek a way to upgrade to ubuntu 8.04 with apt?
[23:04]  * Bodsda despises nickrud for knowing the most obscure things
[23:05] <Bodsda> !upgrade > Itaku       see pm from ubotu
[23:05] <nickrud> Cyanide1: ok, type this:   grep -r  budget  /etc/apt/*  , you should get back a line with a file name
[23:05] <Itaku> Bodsda that link doesnt tell me
[23:05]  * nickrud points out to Bodsda that someone told him this stuff once, too ;p
[23:06] <LavieX> Hey Everyone - Can someone point me too a good website that gives recommendations on laptops to use with Ubuntu?
[23:06] <Cyanide1> grep: /etc/apt/secring.gpg: Permission denied
[23:06] <Cyanide1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list:deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[23:06] <Cyanide1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list:deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[23:06] <Cyanide1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list.save:deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[23:06] <Cyanide1> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list.save:deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[23:06] <Cyanide1> grep: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: Permission denied
[23:06] <FloodBot1> Cyanide1: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:06] <Itaku> !pastebin | Cyanide1
[23:06] <ubotu> Cyanide1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:06] <nickrud> Cyanide1: ok, sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[23:06] <chris062689_> !death
[23:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about death - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:07] <Itaku> !botabuse | chris062689_
[23:07] <ubotu> chris062689_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[23:07] <nickrud> Itaku: the bot takes care of pasters now :)
[23:07] <Itaku> oh does it?
[23:07] <Bodsda> nickrud, what does the -r in   grep -r    actually do   (i didnt understand the   grep --help)
[23:07] <Itaku> Cyanide1: use sudo to use the command you just used...
[23:07] <nickrud> Itaku: yeah, if you look back, you'll see that the floodbot told him about pastebin
[23:07] <Photocopy> K
[23:07] <Itaku> oh
[23:07] <Vanzin> Hi having a problem here in my Cedega. I try to install a game but i receive this messege: "Sorry, game folders may not have slashes in their names (either forward or backward)" What is this? thanks.
[23:08] <Itaku> well is there a way to upgrade to ubuntu 8.04 alpha from apt?
[23:08] <nickrud> Bodsda: it means recursive, down thru directories
[23:08] <Itaku> or not using a cd
[23:08] <Bodsda> nickrud, why would that help in a text file that has no child dir's   ??
[23:08] <nickrud> Itaku:   sudo update-manager -d  should work
[23:08] <Itaku> k
[23:08] <Bodsda> !distupgrade
[23:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distupgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:08] <nickrud> Bodsda: there are child dirs, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[23:09] <Bodsda> nickrud, oh yer,.,.oops,.,.;~)
[23:09] <Vanzin> How i can solve this? oO
[23:09] <meekolope> !wireless
[23:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:09] <Bodsda> Vanzin, #cedega
[23:09] <Photocopy> Im so confused by what !sound tells me.... I my "Sound blaster live" won't work... and IDC what you think of my crappy sound card, its not important as other hardware... Anyway, someone help me?
[23:09] <Itaku> thanks nickrud
[23:09] <Vanzin> thx
[23:09] <nickrud> Itaku: it's working now?
[23:09] <Itaku> yeah
[23:10] <Itaku> [Aamsg] bbs linux upgrade
[23:10] <nickrud> Itaku: cool, I guess the dev's are open to more users now. Almost time for me to try an install then
[23:10] <Photocopy> Im so confused by what !sound tells me.... I my "Sound blaster live" won't work... and IDC what you think of my crappy sound card, its not important as other hardware... Anyway, someone help me?
[23:10] <Bodsda> !repeat > Photocopy      read pm from ubotu please
[23:11] <Photocopy> Bodsda: ...
[23:11] <Cyanide1> Nick i type that command in and thats what i get
[23:11] <Bodsda> nickrud, any idea what script   ctrl+alt+backspace  runs?
[23:11] <Cyanide1> rm: cannot remove `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list': No such file or directory
[23:11] <Bodsda> Photocopy, yes?
[23:11] <asdrubal> Could someone explain to me why, when I compile a kernel: it appends 10.00-Custom to the package name ?
[23:11] <asdrubal> that screws everything up
[23:12] <Photocopy> Bodsda: That thing implies nobody knows my answer. Sound not working in linux is a common thing, and theres 1138 people in here. Im sure someone knows, thanks for showing a lack of concern though.
[23:12] <jonkri> i have a image of a hard disk with a corrupted partition table. i do not have the partition table information. is it possible to recreate it somehow?
[23:12] <Bodsda> Photocopy, "that thing" implies you should be patient
[23:12] <nickrud> Cyanide1: odd, since /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list:deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main was the result.   ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* , is it there?
[23:12] <Photocopy> Bodsda: By the time someone comes free to help me, if my message is forgotten and gone, I won't be helped.
[23:13] <ph0rensic> Photocopy: Plus of the 1138 people here .. maybe 25 are active and paying attention
[23:13] <astro76> Photocopy: feel free to repeat your question every 10 minutes or so
[23:13] <nickrud> Bodsda: not really. I don't think it's a script, but a key combo watched for by X itself. I think I saw a way to change it in xorg.conf once, but that was a while back
[23:13] <asdrubal> Could someone explain to me why, when I compile a kernel: it appends 10.00-Custom to the package name?
[23:13] <ph0rensic> Hey zelrik
[23:13] <Bodsda> Photocopy, your reposting a help me not a question,.,.if you reposted a question you might get helped
[23:13] <Jangari> photocopy, the general etiquette in here is to repeat your query no more often than about once every 20 minutes
[23:13] <ph0rensic> zelrikriando: its me
[23:13] <asdrubal> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-c2d' in `../linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-c2d_<IP_ADDRESS>-c2d-10.00.Custom_i386.deb'.
[23:13] <haxality> asdrubal, when you build the kernel package there's an option you can pass, it's --append-to-version, I THINK
[23:13] <Bodsda> nickrud, i want ctrl+alt+backspace to save my session before restarting x,.,any ideas?
[23:13] <comicinker> is your firefox also very unstable on gutsy? mine is crashing about every 10 minutes!
[23:13] <asdrubal> Nowhere did I specify "10.00.Custom
[23:14] <nickrud> asdrubal: so it's differentiated from an ubuntu kernel
[23:14] <Photocopy> Bodsda: I don't see a difference.
[23:14] <Cyanide1> nick im going to pm you to make this alittle easier on my self
[23:14] <haxality> asdrubal, it should be in the man pages for the .deb build command
[23:14] <Bodsda> Jangari, i think more 5 mins then 20
[23:14] <butsniffer> anyone here ever worked with vinum? is there a project similar with linux?
[23:14] <asdrubal> this is the command I ran: nice -n 20 fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-c2d kernel_image kernel_headers
[23:14] <prince_jammys> Bodsda: why not just log out normally
[23:14] <Jangari> meh, somewhere between those, Bodsda
[23:14] <pike_> Photocopy: most sblive cards 'just work' id assume the problem is either that alsa is not selected or its trying to use the onboard card or something
[23:14] <Bodsda> prince_jammys, its just a fine-tuning  nit-picky thing ;~)
[23:14] <haxality> asdrubal, should work
[23:14] <Bodsda> Jangari, ~)
[23:14] <nickrud> Cyanide1: I'm at work and have to step away for 5-10 min, be right back.
[23:14] <Photocopy> pike_: I selected each option from the mixer to no results, and have no sound.
[23:15] <Bodsda> Photocopy, well for instance,.,. i have no idea what your problem is,.,.apart from sound
[23:15] <Arenlor> I've been doing a lot of searching but can't find the answer, I can't seem to get flash to work in Opera
[23:15] <asdrubal> haxality, Like I said, it appends 10.00.Custom to it
[23:15] <haxality> hmmm
[23:15] <Photocopy> Bodsda: That I cannot hear it from my sb live... which was stated
[23:15] <ph0rensic> Arenlor: yah thats Why is use firefox ;-)
[23:15] <haxality> asdrubal, I have no idea. I remember messing with it at one point but now I can't remember how
[23:15] <haxality> asdrubal, try 'man make-kpkg'
[23:16] <Photocopy> =S
[23:16] <Bodsda> Photocopy, i think you need a lesson in how to ask 'Good' questions -- saying "It doesnt work" is a really bad way to start,.,.how about--things you think have caused it,.,.has it ever worked,.,.thins youve tried
[23:17] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Its worked on a previous installation of ubuntu but no longer. I dont know what caused it. It has worked in windows also. Pie is good.
[23:17] <pushpop> how do you install snmp on ubuntu
[23:17] <asdrubal> haxality, I need to add --revision 1
[23:17] <haxality> asdrubal, there you go
[23:17] <joshjacklin> erm is there a program for using a tv card on kubuntu
[23:17] <Bodsda> Photocopy, i like pie also,.very tasty,.,. what have you tried?
[23:17] <haxality> asdrubal, man pages are awesome :)
[23:18] <pike_> !tv | joshjacklin lots
[23:18] <ubotu> joshjacklin lots: http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[23:19] <apples> can anyone help my ubuntu box decided to crash and I cant get into recovery mode it copmes up with sulogin: cannot open password database
[23:19] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Setting the different things in file-> in the mixer
[23:19] <apples> can anyone shed any light on that
[23:19] <apples> google has not a lot
[23:19] <apples> or is mah sys screwed
[23:19] <Bodsda> Photocopy, in terminal type    asoundconf list      tell me the output
[23:20] <Photocopy> Bodsda: K.
[23:20] <apples> all i wanna do is have mah box back
[23:20] <apples> poor thing
[23:20]  * apples pats his box
[23:20] <highvolt> Can anyone help me get the progress-bar for boot to show up? My screen has no output between grub and GDM
[23:20] <Bodsda> Photocopy, is that the output? K.?
[23:21] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Names of available sound cards:
[23:21] <Photocopy> SI7012
[23:21] <Photocopy> Live
[23:21] <Photocopy> Oh crap spam sorry
[23:21] <apples> can someone just point me in the right direction cause no one seems to have a clue about this database error thing
[23:21] <giantmidget> highvolt, that might have something to do with /boot/grub/menu.list
[23:22] <Bodsda> Photocopy, the first is probably onboard and live is ur SB?
[23:22] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: no sound?
[23:22] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: or sound from the wrong card?
[23:22] <jappdev> apples: i imagine its talking about /etc/passwd
[23:22] <Photocopy> prince_jammys: Yep. Bodsda: I'd assume so, as my sound card is a SB live.
[23:22] <highvolt> giantmidget, i added vga=795 (795 is for my color depth and resolution) and it does not work
[23:22] <giantmidget> highvolt, exactly
[23:22] <khelll> my running phpmysql , how can i monitor  the executed sql commands ??
[23:23] <giantmidget> highvolt, ive had problems with that, too. just remove the vga setting
[23:23] <Bodsda> Photocopy, in terminal type         asoundconf set-default-card Live
[23:23] <demon_spork> what is a good Apple style dock for Linux?
[23:23] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: which one -- no sound or sound from the wrong card?
[23:23] <ph0rensic> demon_spork: avant-window-navigator
[23:23] <c01100011> demon_spork,  avant window navigator
[23:23] <apples> or die mysql_error
[23:23] <Photocopy> prince_jammys; no sound
[23:23] <ph0rensic> c01100011: Beat you!
[23:23] <highvolt> giantmidget, the vga setting wasnt there. i added it, according to a thread on the forums
[23:23] <c01100011> ph0rensic, it was internet lag, and my mouse is only 600dpi man
[23:23] <giantmidget> highvolt, i understand what you say, but vga has not worked for me either in gutsy
[23:23] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: lspci         <-- in command line, and see if the sound card is there
[23:24] <Photocopy> Bodsda: No thing after that
[23:24] <khelll> how can i monitor the commands on the level of os
[23:24] <highvolt> giantmidget, have you managed to get it to work?
[23:24] <ph0rensic> c01100011: Dont be butt-hurt
[23:24] <Photocopy> prince_jammys: its there
[23:24] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Should I test it now?
[23:24] <highvolt> heres a link to the thread i used http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584205&page=3
[23:24] <ph0rensic> c01100011: Just playin around
[23:24] <jappdev> apples: /etc/shadow is where passwords are stored, and if it is corruped, then you'll need to restore/fix it (which might involve a reinstall)
[23:24] <giantmidget> highvolt, every time i try to specify a vga setting, my tty's are all garbled and theres no feedback until gdm steps in
[23:25] <joshjacklin> erm is there a program for using a tv card on kubuntu
[23:25] <nickrud> Cyanide1: you here?
[23:25] <mehmet> where do i go for ktorrent problems?
[23:25] <Photocopy> Bodsda: It works thanks
[23:25] <Bodsda> Photocopy, right-click on speaker in top right-->open volume controll-->File-->devices-->make sure live is selected
[23:25] <giantmidget> highvolt, i couldnt figure it out, no. but im sure thats causing your problem
[23:25] <Photocopy> prince_jammys; im good now.
[23:25] <Bodsda> Photocopy, oh, ok no probs
[23:25] <astro76> joshjacklin: tvtime
[23:25] <pike_> mehmet: #kubuntu may be best bet
[23:25] <c01100011> got stuck in windblows for the past few months due to engineering software.... finally done with the project and can fall back to my much loved linux desktop. What is shiny, new fun to play with and most likely to break my system ?
[23:25] <Photocopy> Bodsda: I said I had done that earlier... and thanks
[23:25] <apples> jappdev i cant gte into the thing to have a look
[23:25] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: check what Bodsda says, and if you can't get it then try disabling your onboard sound card from the BIOS --- do you know how to do that
[23:25] <sxealex_> joshjacklin: myth tv is awesome
[23:25] <apples> it just stops at that
[23:25] <highvolt> giantmidget, yeah. im sort of determined to get this to work. i wish it was more straightforward
[23:25] <nickrud> c01100011: compiz
[23:25] <joshjacklin> XD thn x astro76 my friend couldnt think of the name of it
[23:25] <joshjacklin> lol
[23:25] <mehmet> pike_:  i have ubuntu tho
[23:25] <c01100011> nickrud, not that  behind.
[23:25] <BlueG> is the vmsplice() exploit patched in the latest kernel for Dapper Drake?
[23:25] <Photocopy> prince_jammys.... I dont need to know how... it works now
[23:26] <nickrud> c01100011: most likely to break your system ;)
[23:26] <mooseman447> hey ubuntu just asked me to restart and i did but now when i type in my login i see the nvidia logo and sound but it just returns to the login screen
[23:26] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: oh great
[23:26] <pike_> mehmet: leave that part out :)
[23:26] <jappdev> blueg: yes
[23:26] <giantmidget> highvolt, i tried posting on the forums once, but nobody gave me any answers...
[23:26] <Photocopy> Lol...
[23:26] <apples> is there another way i can get a shell to run this fsck
[23:26] <pike_> mehmet: what is the problem?
[23:26] <Bodsda> prince_jammys, by setting default card using    asoundconf  you dont need to disable onboard card
[23:26] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Now i
[23:26] <pushpop> Anyone know how to install smnp in ubuntu?
[23:26] <jappdev> apples: if you have a ubuntu live cd (any of the install cds) then boot with that and you should be able to access your HD
[23:26] <sxealex_> joshjacklin: i have mythtv its with a wintv hauppage card its amazingly awesome if you can get it working
[23:26] <astro76> mehmet: it's ok you have ubuntu, they still have more people who know kde apps there
[23:26] <prince_jammys> Bodsda: i'll have to remember that
[23:26] <highvolt> giantmidget, hmm...i found another post about editing yet another thing in the menu.lst so ill try that out
[23:26] <apples> ah yes
[23:26] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Now I'd like compiz... to play with but apparently I cannot enable it... haha// anyawy to get ubuntustudio now
[23:26] <mehmet> pike_:  say i am trying to download something it'll just stay in the stalled part
[23:26] <Photocopy> thanks
[23:26] <c01100011> anything new kicking around in terms of screenlets & docks ?
[23:27] <BlueG> jappdev: ok, thx
[23:27] <mehmet> it won't move from there
[23:27] <giantmidget> highvolt, can you give me the address please?
[23:27] <Cyanide1> Nick you back
[23:27] <pike_> mehmet: you have disk space? what about port forwarding what port are you using? did you install firestarter or something?
[23:27] <giantmidget> highvolt, earlier with gutsy i was hoping its a kernel problem, but updates didnt solve it
[23:28] <khelll> how can i monitor the sql queries generated by phpmyadmin ?
[23:28] <nickrud> Cyanide1: yes. you should say nickrud, it chimes here. Just happened to pass thru as you pressed enter
[23:28] <jappdev> blueg: apt-get update should install the patch, if you roll your own, <IP_ADDRESS> has the fix
[23:28] <mehmet> fuck yes on disk space, port: 42845, nope on firestarter
[23:28] <jappdev> mehmet: language...
[23:28] <mehmet> hahah sorry
[23:29] <highvolt> giantmidget, i posted the link to the forum thread, but here it is again: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584205&page=3
[23:29] <giantmidget> does anyone know why oggenc converts some flacs but cant recognize other flacs?
[23:29] <pike_> mehmet: anyone seeding the torrent?
[23:29] <giantmidget> highvolt, thanks :)
[23:29] <mehmet> there are people seeding
[23:29] <mehmet> it just says Stalled
[23:30] <mehmet> so it doesn't show seeders
[23:30] <mehmet> or nothing
[23:30] <prince_jammys> khelll how do you mean "monitor"?
[23:30] <apples> booting from disc i will check that file
[23:30] <pike_> mehmet: using a router? have you forwarded port 42845?
[23:30] <pushpop> is there a way to snmp on ubuntu I want to monitor ubuntu bw with a windows utility?
[23:31] <harm> ubuntu isnt picking up my other desktop's shares.. anyone know a way to fix it?
[23:31] <khelll> i want to c what phpmyadmin does behind the scene , what queries are executed
[23:31] <Photocopy> prince_jammys: synaptic says i have a broken package and to use the broken filter to fix it but i try to set the broken filter and it doesnt work
[23:31] <jdix123> is there a fluxbuntu channel?
[23:31] <jdix123> or just fluxbox in general?
[23:31] <pike_> jdix123: not that im aware of there is #fluxbox
[23:31] <jdix123> thanks pike
[23:31] <c01100011> I haven't missed much, a few compiz effects, a few screenlets.... what's bleading edge ? new screens and graphics preferences is nice.
[23:32] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: if you mean that the package just won't go away -- i have this problem, but don't remember the solution, sorry
[23:32] <Strangelet> jdix123: I rememeber there was one, possibily #fluxbuntu, obviously, you must wait a while before you receive a response
[23:32] <prince_jammys> Photocopy: *have had
[23:32] <khelll> prince_jammys i want to c what phpmyadmin does behind the scene , what queries are executed
[23:32] <Cyanide1> ah ok well what about this im in Synaptic pagage Manager and ive found wine there
[23:33] <mehmet> pike_: how do i do that?
[23:33] <apples> phpmyadmin shows u
[23:33] <prince_jammys> khelll: phpmyadmin shows you the mysql command that corresponds to whatever you did from the browser
[23:33] <apples> or u can just google the queries
[23:33] <waini> hi
[23:33] <waini> good evening
[23:33] <khelll> prince_jammys not everything, that's why i want to monitor mysql
[23:33] <waini> anyone there?
[23:33] <waini> ahh
[23:34] <giantmidget> waini, nobody here, sorry chap :)
[23:34] <prince_jammys> khelll: sorry don't know then, maybe in a log?
[23:34] <apples> just google what sql u need and type it in directly to the mysql shell
[23:34] <pike_> mehmet: type route in a terminal window itll show a gateway address type that in your browser and youi should get a logon prompt
[23:34] <harm> ubuntu isnt picking up my other desktop's shares.. anyone know a way to fix it?
[23:34] <pike_> mehmet: what model router is it?
[23:34] <waini> there are "experimental" packages for ubuntu?
[23:34] <giantmidget> oggenc takes some flac files but doesnt take others. anyone know why?
[23:35] <Cyanide1> NickRud what about this im in Synaptic pagage Manager and ive found wine there
 yes but what log :(
[23:35] <Photocopy> prince_jammys: I cant find te package actually
[23:35] <apples> i dont have a shadow folder i have a security folder though jappdev
[23:35] <nickrud> Cyanide1: removing wine won't remove that error; the gpg error is about the budgetdedicated repository
[23:35] <waini> (i want a svn-version of mythtv-backend)
[23:35] <mehmet> pike_:  it's a westell windriver
[23:35] <apples> why try to learn sql from phpadmin just look for a sql tut
[23:35] <nickrud> Cyanide1: type this:   cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[23:35] <Pelo> has anyone manage to update to wine 0.9.55 using the winehq repos ?
[23:36] <prince_jammys> khelll: for better info: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/Documentation.html
[23:36] <Cyanide1> NickRud with Sudo in front or no
[23:36] <prince_jammys> khelll: in a browser
[23:36] <mehmet> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:36] <mehmet> link-local
[23:36] <mehmet> default
[23:36] <mehmet> that was what came up on terminal
[23:36] <nickrud> Cyanide1: no sudo when you are changing directories
[23:36] <haitham> hello
[23:36] <Cyanide1> ok
[23:36] <haitham> where am i now?
[23:36] <prince_jammys> khelll: also sudo apt-get install mysql-doc-5.0 (good to have - if you don't have it already)
[23:36] <BockBilbo> hello
[23:36] <waini> there are "experimental" packages for ubuntu?
[23:36] <Pelo> haitham,  the ubuntu support channel
[23:37] <nickrud> !ubuntu | haitham
[23:37] <ubotu> haitham: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[23:37] <Pelo> !hi | BockBilbo
[23:37] <ubotu> BockBilbo: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[23:37] <apples> i booted with the live cd
[23:37] <nickrud> waini: no
[23:37] <pike_> mehmet: in firefox goto <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:37] <apples> how do i run fsck on my broken one
[23:37] <Photocopy> really confused
[23:37] <nickrud> Cyanide1: done that?
[23:37] <Photocopy> !broken
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:37] <Cyanide1> Nickrud this is what i get home@linuxrocks:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[23:37] <BockBilbo> hey, anyone here using ubuntu on an MacBook3,1 ?
[23:37] <Photocopy> !broken package
[23:37] <Photocopy> !broken filter
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:37] <Pelo> apples,  fsck /dev/... I think
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken filter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:37] <Darkmystere_> Ok, I cant seem to get my Hex Key to access my routers internet to work in Ubuntu how come?
[23:37] <Photocopy> !synaptic
[23:38] <prince_jammys> khelll: and once you have mysql-doc, in a web browser: /usr/share/doc/mysql-doc-5.0/refman-5.0-en.html-chapter/index.html
[23:38] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[23:38] <nickrud> Cyanide1: good, that means you're in the right directory (and I like your hostname)
[23:38] <jonkri> what does "*** Fatal error: ioctl(HDIO_GETGEO) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device." means? i dd_rescue'd my broken hard drive (no errors) and tried to run `gpart' on the loop file... any help would be very appreciated
[23:38] <haitham> is there any software in ubuntu that works like MS outlook ??????   <<--------
[23:38] <Bodsda> Photocopy, whats confusing you?
[23:38] <Cyanide1> thanks
[23:38] <Darkmystere_> and how can i fix this?
[23:38] <mehmet> pike_:  "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>."
[23:38] <giantmidget> !Photocopy
[23:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about photocopy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <nickrud> Cyanide1: now type ls , you should see  winehq.list there
[23:38] <Cyanide1> Nickrud now what
[23:38] <giantmidget> :D
[23:38] <Bodsda> haitham, thunderbird
[23:38] <prince_jammys> khelll: unless someone else here knows --- there's also #mysql
[23:38] <apples> error with that
[23:38] <Agent_bob> anyone know of a good random number generator for shell scripting ?     actually need a random letter generator, but figured that if i could get numbers then i could make it work for letters too.     anyone ?
[23:38] <Pelo> haitham, evolution,  click the little email icon in the top bar
[23:38] <pike_> mehmet: try <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:38] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Synaptic tells me I have a broken package to use the broken filter ti find it....  in settings>filters> I set the broken filter, it refreshes, and looks like normal.
[23:38] <waini> i need some help with my vnc-server
[23:38] <Pelo> Bodsda, thunderbird is more like outlook express
[23:39] <Bodsda> Agent_bob, try asking here #bash
[23:39] <Cyanide1> winehq.list.save
[23:39] <Cyanide1> home@linuxrocks:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[23:39] <waini> i have read the wiki-artikel - but it do not work
[23:39] <pike_> mehmet: i have no idea what the login and pass would be normally its admin blank pass or admin pass or something
[23:39] <nickrud> Cyanide1: sudo rm winehq.list.save
[23:39] <mehmet> oh i know this
[23:39] <Bodsda> Pelo, neh,.,.its all outlook to me,.,never used it though
[23:39] <haitham> yes i did clicked on it but i don't understand how to fill them
[23:39] <waini> i dont get the desktop
[23:39] <Agent_bob> Bodsda but it's not bash specific.  and they will say $RANDOM which is bash specific.
[23:39] <Bodsda> Photocopy, so wheres the problem?
[23:40] <Bodsda> Agent_bob, what lanuage are you usin?
[23:40] <Agent_bob> shell  (dash)
[23:40] <Photocopy> Bodsda: Synaptic told me i have a broken package... IDK what that means but i should do something about it right?
[23:40] <Bodsda> Photocopy, probably,.,.1 sec, il find the command
[23:40] <Cyanide1> Nickrud it asks from my password then does nothing but bring this up home@linuxrocks:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[23:41] <apples> anyone help to try to restore my ubuntu from the live cd ?
[23:41] <astro76> Photocopy: in Synaptic, Edit menu > Fix broken packages
[23:41] <Bodsda> Photocopy, in terminal     sudo apt-get check
[23:41] <nickrud> Cyanide1: it's gone then. Normally, you don't get any output when a file command is successful.  ls  again, you'll see it's gone
[23:41] <Photocopy> thanks astro76 ill try it
[23:41] <Pelo> Bodsda, MS outlook is port of MS office and  does email , calendar , contact, task, that is similar to evolution,  outlook express does email , contact, and newsgroup,  that is more along the lines of mozilla thunderbird,  which ever suites you ,  evolution is default in ubuntu ,  thunderbird can be added from the add/remove menu
[23:41] <prince_jammys> Cyanide1: it's not supposed to say anything. you just deleted a file
[23:41] <Bodsda> Agent_bob, why do you want to create a random letter in shell?
[23:41] <Pelo> Bodsda, nevermind, I meant , to send this to haitham
[23:42] <Photocopy> astro76: It flashes with no message of success or fail... what does that mean?
[23:42] <Cyanide1> Nickrud so now when i go the Update manager i shouldnt get that erro message right
[23:42]  * not_guilty is away: Gone away for now.
[23:42] <DIL_> DIL_:
[23:42] <Bodsda> Pelo, ok,.,.cheers for the info anyway
[23:42] <Bodsda> !away
[23:42] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[23:42] <nickrud> Cyanide1: correct. You may have to tell it to check first
[23:43] <bad_cables> HELP!
[23:43] <Bodsda> Photocopy, no message is a good thing usually
[23:43] <bobbob1016> I have 2 gigs of ram, I read on a desktop, you should have double the amount of physical ram in swap, is 4 gig too much for swap, or no?
[23:43] <Bodsda> !help > bad_cables     seee pm from ubotu please
[23:43] <Photocopy> astro76: I got it i think I had to hit apply
[23:43] <MatBoy> hey guys, is it true that I don't see the "software raid" option in the live CD partitioner anymore ?
[23:43] <Photocopy> astro76: It was the java installed with ubuntu restricted extras
[23:43] <Photocopy> Bodsda: fixed
[23:43] <astro76> bobbob1016: no that rule is outdated
[23:43] <Pelo> bobbob1016, 2x ram if  ram < 1 gig
[23:43] <Cyanide1> ok thanks it works
[23:43] <K4k> Can someone help me please. I just installed a basic, text only install of 7.10 and then did "sudo apt-get install icewm xserver-xorg xinit" but whenever I type "startx" I get an error about not being able to lock /home/user/.Xauthority". Can anyone please help me
[23:44] <Slart> bobbob1016: I would put 2 GB or so
[23:44] <Bodsda> Photocopy, good stuff,.,.you mentioned compiz earlier, anything i can help with?
[23:44] <K4k> I know I'm missing something
[23:44] <Slart> bobbob1016: not even sure you
[23:44] <astro76> bobbob1016: if you plan on hibernating, make it 2 GB, otherwise it can be far less, max 1 GB I'd say
[23:44] <Cyanide1> now all i need to do in upgrade
[23:44] <Pelo> K4k,  not sure x is part of the basic install , you might need to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[23:44] <prince_jammys> K4k: the output of --> ls -l /tmp
[23:44] <Slart> you'll regret compiling that
[23:44] <Slart> oops.. sorry.. wrong window
[23:45] <bobbob1016> astro76, Pelo, Slart, ok, and my laptop is 512, I'd still want 1gig swap there, right?
[23:45] <kitche> K4k: try installing xorg instead of xserver-xorg but soudns like the permissions of your user home directory might not be set correctly
[23:45] <mEck0> hi! are someone using NetBeans 6 under Hardy Heron? I got an error while I'm trying to install it
[23:45] <Slart> bobbob1016: yes
[23:45] <K4k> Pelo: I installed that already
[23:45] <Pelo> bobbob1016, I would yes
[23:45] <bad_cables> i accidentally installed the incorrect driver because i misspelled net8185.inf as rtl8185.inf when trying to install it with ndiswrapper... now when: ndiswrapper -r rtl8185.inf... i get: couldn't delete /etc/ndiswrapper/rtl8185.inf: No such file or directory
[23:45] <bad_cables>
[23:45] <Bodsda> bobbob1016, you sually want double the ram as swap
[23:45] <mehmet> pike_:  i got the port forwarded
[23:45] <mehmet> but it is still stalled
[23:45] <astro76> bobbob1016: yeah that would be good for the laptop
[23:45] <kitche> mEck0: #ubuntu+1 for hardy support
[23:45] <Photocopy> there
[23:45] <K4k> prince_jammys, I'll paste bin it, one moment
[23:45] <bobbob1016> Ok, thanks all.
[23:45] <Zvezdichko[cnu]> I have another nasty problem, this time it may be serious. I just can't install any package! It says: Segmentation fault (core dumped)мости... 50%
[23:45] <Photocopy> ubuntu studio is dling.. thanks
[23:45] <mEck0> kitche, thx
[23:45] <Pelo> K4k, try reconfiguring it ,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,   when in doubt use the default answer providec
[23:45] <Pelo> d
[23:45] <waini> is it always possible to install debian-debs on ubuntu?
[23:45] <K4k> kitche: I'll try that as well, I figured it was permissions, but this is the first time I've done X from scratch like this
[23:45] <Fishscene> Hello everyone
[23:46] <ali> hello\
[23:46] <K4k> Pelo: tried that too
[23:46] <Pelo> waini,  not always
[23:46] <Fishscene> I was wondering how to solve a strange issue
[23:46] <astro76> waini: and never recommended
[23:46] <Pelo> K4k,  I'm out of my dept then
[23:46] <kitche> K4k: usually if I see an error like that I check the permissions first since really /tmp has nothing to do with your user home directory
[23:46] <Fishscene> The Menubar on the top of any window is SUPER HUGE and the font in it is SUPER HUGE as well. How do I make it "Normal size"?
[23:46] <bad_cables> how do you un-install a non-existent driver in ndiswrapper?
[23:46] <prince_jammys> K4k: instead, just the permissions of /tmp from --- >ls -l /   one line, no need to pastebin
[23:46] <nickrud> waini: actively discouraged, even
[23:46] <K4k> prince_jammys, it says "total 0"
[23:46] <waini> but i dont want to build mythtv-backend myself
[23:46] <asdrubal> myth is a pita
[23:46] <Zvezdichko[cnu]> I don't know how to trace this apt-get problem but KDE shows a dependency problem (probably) : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56015/
[23:47] <waini> it looks like i have to
[23:47] <Cyanide1> i have another quick question is ubuntu 7.10 good and when i upgrade to it will i lose everything if i do it from a live cd
[23:47] <astro76> !info mythtv-backend | waini
[23:47] <ubotu> waini: mythtv-backend (source: mythtv): A personal video recorder application (server). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.20.2-0ubuntu10.1 (gutsy), package size 876 kB, installed size 2540 kB
[23:47] <Pelo> Fishscene, rigth click desktop , chaange wallpaper,  font tab , properties at the bottom , might be custom ,  change the dpi at the top,
[23:47] <Pelo> Fishscene,  also , right click an empty space on the top pannel,  properties,  chagne the height on the first tab
[23:47] <Fishscene> DPI is 96
[23:48] <Scunizi> anyone have problems with evolution data server taking 40+% cpu every 40 seconds or so?
[23:48] <chris062689> hola
[23:48] <Bodsda> Fishscene, try -- right click on prblematic toolbar-->properties-->change pixels to 25
[23:48] <Fishscene> Pelo, Thank you for responding
[23:48] <Pelo> Scunizi, change the delay for getting the emails maybe
[23:48] <harm> ubuntu isnt picking up my other desktop's shares.. anyone know a way to fix it?
[23:48] <Scunizi> Pelo, set for every 5 minutes
[23:48] <sam1am> Can someone tell me how to make ubuntu request a new dhcp lease from my router?
[23:48] <Pelo> Scunizi, don'T know then
[23:48] <Cyanide1> Nickrud
[23:49] <waini> i knew that there is a package - but not a svn one
[23:49] <Fishscene> I'll upload a screenshot of this for you s
[23:49] <MFen> does anyone have a favorite app for syncing VIDEO (not audio.. i already like banshee) to an ipod?
[23:49] <harm> sam1am: maby try man ifconfig? not sure
[23:49] <nickrud> Cyanide1: what's up?
[23:49] <MFen> miro doesn't do it, i just found out
[23:49] <sam1am> I have given it a static lease from the router, but it is having a hard time letting go of the old IP
[23:49] <Slart> sam1am: you can run "sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1"
[23:49] <Che-Anarc> Can anyone tell me how I can get my touchscreen working I dont really know what make / model it is... since it came with the laptop
[23:49] <astro76> sam1am: with dhclient, not sure of the syntax
[23:49] <Che-Anarc> Its integreated
[23:49] <MFen> ^^ this is your opportunity to opine on pointless application minutiae, so don't miss it!
[23:49] <Slart> sam1am: change eth1 to the interface you want to "bounce"
[23:49] <Cyanide1> if i upgrade using a live cd from 6.06 to 7.10 will i lose all my data
[23:49] <Pelo> Che-Anarc, check the laptop model then
[23:49] <Pelo> Che-Anarc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[23:49] <Slart> Cyanide1: I don
[23:49] <astro76> sam1am: yeah ifdown and ifup would do it too
[23:50] <Bodsda> Cyanide1, if you install onto a different partition you can import all the data from the other install
[23:50] <nickrud> Cyanide1: first, yes. Second, you  can't upgrade directly from 6.06 to 7.10
[23:50] <Slart> Cyanide1: I don't think youĺl loose all your data... you might get some problems with some software though
[23:50] <astro76> Cyanide1: you can't upgrade using the livecd ever
[23:50] <Bodsda> yes
[23:50] <harm> ubuntu isnt picking up my other desktop's shares.. anyone know a way to fix it?
[23:50] <nickrud> Cyanide1: what you want to do is wait for hardy in april, then update via the update-manager. That will be supported
[23:50] <spdf> sam1am: I believe the leases are stored in /var/lib/dhcp3
[23:50] <Slart> eh... oh.. wait.. Cyanide1.. if you use a live cd to "install" ubuntu again youy'll loose everything..
[23:51] <Bodsda> !repeat > harm     see pm from ubotu please
[23:51] <sam1am> Strange, it keeps picking up that same old lease
[23:51] <Cyanide1> ok
[23:51] <MFen> specifically, i have some rss feeds.. boingboing tv, stranger things, and maybe some miro channels. i want to watch them on the 'pod
[23:51] <Slart> harm your desktops shares?? I don
[23:51] <Slart> harm your desktops shares?? I don't understand
[23:51] <Bodsda> Slart, only if you instal over old partition,.,.create a new one, you can import all the data
[23:51] <Pelo> harm, sounds like a samba or a permission issue, I can't help with either, try asking in #samba
[23:51] <meekolope> harm: are they windows shares or linux shares?
[23:51] <Cyanide1> thanks all
[23:51] <meekolope> !smb
[23:51] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[23:51] <harm> meekolope: 2 ubuntu desktops
[23:51] <Slart> Bodsda: oh? I thought the install program made a clean start.. .I might be wrong
[23:51] <harm> meekolope: i can get ssh on the other one :X
[23:51] <Fishscene> ok screenshot
[23:51] <Fishscene> http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/Fishscene/Screenshot.png
[23:51] <Slart>   /me isn
[23:52]  * Slart isn't really getting along with his new keyboard
[23:52] <Bodsda> Slart, i mean, you can have 2 installs on the same hard drive
[23:52] <spdf> sam1am: Check /var/lib/dhcp3/, and remove the old lease, then ifdown/ifup again.. see if that works
[23:52] <Slart> Bodsda: ah.. yes.. but not on the same partition
[23:52] <MatBoy> do I need the alternated CD for a Software raid install ?
[23:52] <Bodsda> Slart, no, but you could use a new one, import all data, remove old partition, resize new partition
[23:52] <sam1am> spdf: Can I delete that file - will it be recreated automatically?
[23:52] <Slart> MatBoy: probably.. never seen an option concerning raid on the live install
[23:52] <BockBilbo> Fishscene nice window headers
[23:52] <BockBilbo> xD
[23:52] <astro76> MatBoy: yes
[23:52] <Fishscene> ROFL
[23:52] <Pelo> Fishscene, you meant title bar, , check the settings of emerals, as you are obviously running compiz and emerald
[23:53] <Slart> Bodsda: yes.. that sounds like something you'd be able to do
[23:53] <meekolope> !nfs
[23:53] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[23:53] <Fishscene> Emerald?
[23:53] <MatBoy> Slart, me neither... astro76 thanks !
[23:53] <Fishscene> I haven't the slightest clue what Emerald is.
[23:53] <spdf> sam1am: you could just move it to your home folder for testing..
[23:53] <BockBilbo> Fishscene is the window manager for compiz
[23:53] <Slart> emerald is the decorator for compiz I think
[23:53] <MatBoy> what shall I run on a Q6600 with 4 monitors... XFCE or KDE ?...
[23:53] <MatBoy> mhh
[23:53] <Pelo> Fishscene,  forget that, go back to the font tab, in apperance,   check the font size for titles bar
[23:53] <Bodsda> Slart, wicked,,.,.the first logical thin ive ot right,.,.yay
[23:53] <Bodsda> !yay
[23:53] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[23:53] <spdf> sam1am: There's no reason for it not to create a new one
[23:53] <MatBoy> XFCE was needed on a single CPU for performance
[23:54] <Cyanide1> what the name of the new Berly
[23:54] <BockBilbo> anyway, Fishscene did you try to change the typographic settings of ubuntu? where you can set the text size of the window titles?
[23:54] <Slart> MatBoy: 4 monitors? anything that works.. =)
[23:54] <Cyanide1> whats*
[23:54] <c01100011> MatBoy, Fluxbox
[23:54] <Fishscene> Just a sec... slow computer
[23:54] <astro76> !beryl | Cyanide1
[23:54] <ubotu> Cyanide1: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[23:54] <BockBilbo> (it's what Pelo has just said=
[23:54] <MatBoy> c01100011, not used to that
[23:54] <meekolope> !compiz
[23:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[23:55] <Fishscene> Window Title font is Sans Bold 10
[23:55] <huub> aight
[23:55] <BockBilbo> tha'ts weird
[23:55] <Fishscene> Bock, I don't know where that is
[23:56] <BockBilbo> just where you've checked that
[23:56] <Bodsda> guys, in firefox,. if you killall firefox, then start it again, it asks if you want to restore sesion -- when you close firefox properly it asks if you want to close all tabs,.,. how can i make it remember my tabs, even when i close it properly?
[23:56] <Pelo> Fishscene,  then I think it is a problem with your windows decorator in this case emerald, go and ask in #compiz-fusion about it
[23:56] <BockBilbo> what happens if you dissable the desktop effects?
[23:56] <Slart> Bodsda: there's a setting for that
[23:56] <Pici> Bodsda: Where you would normally set your homepage.
[23:56] <BockBilbo> can you see the titles right?
[23:56] <sier> Can I ask a question related to a different distro here?
[23:56] <Slart> Bodsda: something like sessions.. or remember my windows bla bla
[23:56] <neverblue> Bodsda, there is a #firefox channel on /server irc.mozilla.org
[23:56] <BockBilbo> sier what do you think?
[23:56] <BockBilbo> xD
[23:56] <sier> just asking.. lol
[23:56] <Slart> sier: we might laugh and point .. but you can always ask =)
[23:56] <Pelo> sier, better ask in that distro's  channel
[23:57] <Fishscene> Pelo, Bock, Thank you. I'll try that
[23:57] <BockBilbo> lol
[23:57] <sier> ok thanks
[23:57] <Bodsda> Slart, Pici -- where abouts in the preference tab?
[23:57] <Slart> sier: just don't expect to get any good answers
[23:57] <Bodsda> neverblue, im well aware
[23:57] <Slart> Bodsda: hang on... I'll check
[23:57] <Pici> Bodsda: Edit>Preferences Theres a dropdown right above the homepage textbox
[23:57] <tass1412> problem: my gpg-agent doesn't work (at least enigmail puts an error)
[23:57] <BockBilbo> Fishscene if disabling the effects the titles are alrite, it obviously has to be something related to compiz
[23:57] <tdjacr|away> What app do I use to burn iso files?
[23:58] <tdjacr|away> What app do I use to burn iso files?
[23:58] <Pelo> Fishscene, quick fix to figure out if compiz and co is the problem turn off the desktop effects
[23:58] <astro76> Bodsda: Show my windows and tabs from last time, int he place pici mentioned
[23:58] <Fishscene> Bock, Pelo. That worked! :D
[23:58] <Pelo> tdjacr|away, gnomebaker , in the menu under tools
[23:58] <Bodsda> Pici, Slart, cheers guys,.,.never thought of loking there,.,.cheers
[23:58] <BockBilbo> tdjacr|away brasero?
[23:58] <Bodsda> astro76, ot it,.,.ty
[23:58] <Slart> Bodsda: in the main thingy.. top
[23:58] <Fishscene> Now to hammer-down on effects in the other channel :)
[23:58] <tass1412> tdjacr|away, apt-cache search iso burn
[23:58]  * Bodsda apologizes aain for his dodgy 'G' key
[23:58] <Bodsda> Slart, Pici beat you,.,.;~) ,.cheers
[23:58] <BockBilbo> Fishscene right
[23:58] <BockBilbo> :)
[23:58] <Pelo> later folks
[23:59] <K4k> how come when I do "startx >> startx.txt" nothing is put into startx.txt
[23:59] <Slart> K4k: perhaps startx doesn't output anything on the console
[23:59] <Fishscene> Bock, Pelo. Just to follow up. I disabled Desktop effects, then re-enabled them. Problem fixed
[23:59] <K4k> Slart: it does, I see it
[23:59] <Fishscene> :D
[23:59] <K4k> doh...figured it out...
[23:59] <spdf> K4k: It logs to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:59] <illriginal> Can someone help me with a permission's issue?... It involves FTPing.
[23:59] <nemilar> K4k: >> only redirects standard output, which doesn't include errors (Stderr)


[05:40] <jbailey> doko: Hey.  Do we have a toolchain repo yet?
[05:40] <doko> jbailey: no
[05:40] <jbailey> Whee...
[05:42] <infinity> 09:41 < infinity> malcc: What's our current status on feisty?
[05:42] <infinity> 09:42 < malcc> infinity: kiko spoke to mdz, and my understanding of the conclusion is that we're
[05:42] <infinity>                not opening it early after all
[05:43] <jbailey> infinity: Thanks.
[05:43] <doko> interesting :-/


[03:18] <khoover> "sudo chmod a-x /"?


[00:28] <ibeardslee> yeah
[01:24] <ibeardslee> one of the list of things I have is to be able to bring a single power cable into my wooden radio media player thingy and have a power supply that will supply all devices .. without having a multibox and power adapters pluging into that
[02:31] <hads> ibeardslee: This one? http://nicegear.co.nz/cables-connectors/21mm-to-17mm-dc-jack-adapter/
[02:41] <ibeardslee> the hardkernel website says it is 'inner diameter 0.8mm and outer diameter 2.5mm'
[03:10] <elky> hmm.. does the power supply from your desk phone fit?
[03:12] <ibeardslee> haven't tried .. as I looked at that link I thought that I should check some of the other adapters I have floating around.
[03:16] <ibeardslee> Normally ODROID-X2 consumes about 1A in most cases. But it can go up to 3A if you use some USB hard disk drives in parallel.
[03:16] <ibeardslee> We recommend 5V 2A or 3A adaptor. Inner diameter is 0.8mm, outer diameter is 2.5mm. Center is Positiver an Outer is Negative.
[18:41] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:22] <ajmitch> morning
[21:34] <mwhudson> does anyone else have messed up font hinting in ff18?
[21:34] <mwhudson> fmarier: you work for mozilla now, this must be your fault!!
[21:38] <fmarier> mwhudson: i plead the Fifth ;)
[23:08] <lifeless> you're up to 19th, thats a long way back!


[00:02] <diddledan> roll-on october. I want my virgin!
[00:02] <diddledan> (speed bump)
[00:03] <zmoylan-pi> yeah that did need a qualifier :-P
[00:03] <daftykins> this the 300Mb jump i've heard about?
[00:03] <diddledan> aye
[00:03] <diddledan> prolly some silly figure like 304
[00:03] <daftykins> pretty impressive doing a doubling when it's already that high
[00:04] <diddledan> apparently BT's plans for G.Fast will mean that by 2020 they might have fttc running at 300
[00:05] <diddledan> virgin pretty much blows that out of the water if they're doing 300 now. the only competition would be fttp
[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> and sneakernet :-)
[00:05] <diddledan> (currently BT runs fttp at 300 max - dad has it at standard 40/10 tho 'cos he doesn't want to pay the high cost - his only option was fttp due to the weird setup they have over there)
[00:08] <diddledan> t'was a bit of a farce getting them enabled anyway - they won a bt comp back along called "race to infinity" by getting 100% of the population to say they wanted fibre (supposedly 100% according to the figure quoted by BT) but it took YEARS to actually get installed. they have their own exchange but the fibre network runs from the andover exchange about 8 miles away
[00:08] <diddledan> so BT dug the road up all the way from andover instead of using the infrastructure they had in place in whitchurch already
[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> sounds a bit of a cock up
[00:08] <diddledan> it was
[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> aiming for deliberate failure so that they can keep pushing old/slower for longer?
[00:10] <diddledan> it actually seems like real-honest-to-goodness idiocy
[00:10]  * zmoylan-pi remembers ireland flogging isdn when rest of world was on dsl
[00:11] <daftykins> i'm confused, they put fiber in so surely that's better?
[00:11] <diddledan> http://whitchurch.org.uk/news/fibre-finally-lights-up-but-some-still-in-the-dark/
[00:11] <diddledan> who remembers homehighway?
[00:11] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like they made a meal of the installation.  more work than necessary
[00:12] <diddledan> it took over 5 years to actually get what was promised
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> sounds very bt :-)
[00:14] <diddledan> that was from 2014 - here's one from 2013: https://recombu.com/digital/article/bts-fibre-broadband-infinity-slow-whitchurch_M11160.html
[00:14] <diddledan> and here they claim it will be active by 2012: http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1047736/bt-names-winners-race-infinity-campaign
[02:24] <daftykins> nice lunar eclipse there
[02:24] <daftykins> just walked down to the seafront to see
[03:43] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOL-_lXp5ZQ
[03:43] <daftykins> wow that's... that's how to fail
[03:48] <zmoylan-pi> comes across as someone who doesn't use tech themselves
[03:48] <daftykins> indeed :S
[03:49] <daftykins> and they wonder why they're in trouble :)
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> for a lot of people who want a keybord they'll look past the crappy salesman and buy it anyway
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> and a *lot* of people want a keyboard
[03:49] <daftykins> *nod* got a client who hangs onto a blackberry solely for it
[03:50] <daftykins> i don't get it personally
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> it may be a small % of overall users but if they can claim that % it's a lot of phones
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer keyboards
[03:51] <zmoylan-pi> typing on virtual keyboard would drive me nuts at more than >1k per day
[03:52] <daftykins> ah i think if you try enough of the virtual apps ones you can find one that'll work well :>
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> i've tried many, they fail on so many levels.
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> when i type on real keyboard i can use muscle memory to type
[03:53] <zmoylan-pi> i can rest fingers on keyboard
[03:53] <zmoylan-pi> i know what i've type without looking at screen
[03:56] <zmoylan-pi> and i flippin hate the smudges on screens from touching them.  they can end up manky.
[03:56] <daftykins> mmm definitely not ones to be shared
[03:57] <zmoylan-pi> i've been handed touchscreen devices and my first impulse was to drop them in boiling water to sterilise the buggers
[03:57] <daftykins> even other folks keyboards and rodents are a bit unpleasant
[03:58] <zmoylan-pi> so i like to have something were i touch one part and look at another.  so keyboard AND screen. thank you very much :-)
[03:59] <zmoylan-pi> it's great that others can get on with virtual keyboards but the real keyboard is not going away
[04:00] <daftykins> it almost entirely has though oddly, can't think of any phones with one as standard that are new
[04:08] <zmoylan-pi> and back...
[04:08] <daftykins> wow 5am again :D
[04:09] <zmoylan-pi> seemed like a good time to pick at the time :-)
[04:10] <daftykins> ah i thought you had a regular issue that occurs then, you mentioned it the other day
[04:12] <zmoylan-pi> it seems to have calmed down my adsl modem/ap from borking once a week that needed a phyiscal reset which is awkward as it's in landlords part of house
[04:13] <zmoylan-pi> terrible leccy and i suspect the phone line is iffy too.  an old house
[04:13] <daftykins> ah
[04:14] <zmoylan-pi> but free data i do tech support :-)
[04:14] <daftykins> ah no the SeaMeWe-3 undersea cable has been cut!
[04:16] <zmoylan-pi> so australia is offline?
[04:17] <daftykins> just some slowdown
[04:17] <zmoylan-pi> could take a while for the albatrosses to implement ip via avian...
[04:20] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think by now they could retrench a repaired cable
[04:22] <daftykins> indeed!
[04:22] <daftykins> or threaten seafolk enough to be more careful ;)
[04:22] <daftykins> reminds me, my folks said they were down Land's End the other day and saw the spot where all the links come in
[04:23] <zmoylan-pi> i do like that when they laid the first transatlantic cable it came ashore on a sandy beach to protect the cable
[04:24] <daftykins> really they just wanted to frolick on the beach ;)
[04:25] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the telegraph operators were hackers and their cats appreciated the litter box :-)
[07:08] <Moodoo> morning all
[07:42] <DJones> Morning
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <Moodoo> morning diplo
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:29] <brobostigon> i have a question, is it possible to make dovecot/postfix thats on one server with one domain think its on another, and serve a different domain?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: what do you mean exactly?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> you can configure postfix to accept mail for any domain you want. And it'll work as long as you point an MX record at it
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> and dovecot will happily serve mailboxes for anything on the system too
[09:30] <brobostigon> i have dovecot/postfix setup on jabber.* would there be a way of making it serve my taylorworld domain without setting it up allover again?
[09:32] <brobostigon> so i just change the mx record on taylorworld* to point at jabber* ?
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes. But you do need to tell postfix (in its config file) to accept mail for that domain too.
[09:33] <brobostigon> ah i see. ok.
[09:33] <brobostigon> ty.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> I haven't configured postfix in a while, so I don't know exactly how to set it all up, but there's a ton of HOWTOs out there
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> also Postfix documentation, while a bit dense, is actually quite good
[09:34] <brobostigon> yes, should be easy enough to find out how.
[09:36] <JamesTait> IIRC there's a $mydomains setting that sets which domains Postfix will consider local.
[09:36]  * brobostigon makes notes.
[09:38] <JamesTait> But my setup (which I haven't needed to touch for years) just accepts mail for three separate domains and delivers to the same mailbox regardless of domain, i.e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>land in the same mailbox.
[09:38] <brobostigon> ah i see.
[09:39] <JamesTait> Not sure if that's what you're after, or if you want different mailboxes for taylorworld and jabber.*
[09:40] <brobostigon> i think it would nominally work having them all combined into the same box.
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> you can set up different "routing" for the different domains too so brobostigon@some_domain goes to one mailbox, and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>goes to another
[09:43] <brobostigon> cool.
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> I want to configure email so that tl.foo@domain and tl.bar@domain go to the same mailbox.
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> A bit like how you can have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but most sites reject the "+" as invalid.
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> Heck, some sites even reject a hyphen as invalid!
[09:55] <jpds> TwistedLucidity: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> jpds - I'm being thick, I don't follow how that document helps me
[09:58] <jpds> Ah, sorry, I read that you wanted another domain
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Nah, same domain but with a wildcard kinda idea on the local part.
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Such a pain that so many websites can't validate an email address (I am aware of the complexities, but it is perfectly doable)
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> To every single one I submit a complaint. I doubt anyone listens.
[12:51] <diplo> Any of you guys in here used systemd in anger?
[12:51] <diplo> We're just learning service files, and moving all our stuff over
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> service files are horrors
[12:52] <diplo> We have a init script to stop and start a load of services at once, trying to google a way to do that with systemd to have 7 service files being able to be started or stopped by one command but still be able to use the seperate service files to stop each service individually
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> especially the magic overriding
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> you can make stuff depend on each other
[12:53] <diplo> We're finding that, but also like the way some of it works too
[12:53] <diplo> Yeah, that's what we're leaning towards atm MartijnVdS
[15:08] <diddledan> mernin
[15:57] <diddledan> liquid water on mars!
[16:30] <diddledan> quiet in here this afternoon
[16:51] <diddledan> I might do something family unfriendly to wake you all up!
[16:51]  * diddledan scrawls a big thingy on the wall
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is alive \o/
[16:52] <diddledan> \o/
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> good pi, preciousssss pi
[16:52] <diddledan> good pi, warm pi, little ball of furr
[16:52] <diddledan> happy pi, err. purr purr purr.
[16:52] <diddledan> I forget how it goes
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> happy pi, sleepy pi, purr purr purr
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> had to look it up :-)
[16:54] <diddledan> aha
[16:54] <diddledan> lol
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> just died at 1030 this morning, 2 rboots didn't happen as it didn't even try to access sd card, then it did but didn't allow web while allowing me to sms in...
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> walk away for 3 hours and it comes back all on it's own...
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> *me to ssh in
[16:55] <diddledan> err, yey?
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> though irc has been laggy all day on freenode for some reason...
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> my other irc servers seem fine
[16:57] <diddledan> random
[21:27] <diddledan> cd
[21:29] <brobostigon> ls
[21:29] <diddledan> oops
[21:29] <diddledan> I wondered why that disappeared
[21:29] <brobostigon> :)
[21:30] <diddledan> good job it wasn't an sudo followed by a password :-p
[21:30] <diddledan> this could be a good reason for monotasking or cli-only
[21:30] <brobostigon> lolz. quite.
[21:36]  * diddledan wanders off in search of liquids
[21:40] <diddledan> and back
[21:42]  * brobostigon has gin and tonic.
[21:42] <diddledan> :-o
[21:42] <diddledan> alcohol == evil :-p
[21:43] <brobostigon> :(
[21:43] <diddledan> (only 'cos I don't drink much)
[21:43] <brobostigon> thats what my gf says as well.
[21:43] <diddledan> I usually go months without drinking anything and then my brother drags me outside and I get bladdered :-p
[21:44] <brobostigon> usually, me and my gf go out for food every two weeks and then go to the pub afterwards, thats about it.
[22:12] <daftykins> diddledan: i see, so you leave for your brother but not for your buddy shauno :(
[22:12] <daftykins> :D
[22:47] <diddledan> hungry
[22:57] <Azelphur> This is so strange, the guy who I bought my 4x 4k monitors off, I paid him and he stopped responding 10 days ago, issued a PayPal dispute and will get my money back if he doesn't reply within 7 days
[22:59] <diddledan> o_O
[23:00] <diddledan> why did you issue a dispute? are the monitors broken?
[23:00] <diddledan> or did he not send anything?
[23:00] <Azelphur> diddledan: he stopped responding and didn't send the monitors
[23:00] <diddledan> aah
[23:00] <diddledan> sucky
[23:01] <diddledan> bar steward!
[23:01] <Azelphur> well, either that or he stopped responding, sent them and they are in the post
[23:01] <Azelphur> impossible to know
[23:01] <daftykins> :S
[23:01] <diddledan> does seem odd that he's not replying tho
[23:01] <diddledan> sounds like it might be scammish
[23:03] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, except he has 12.5k ebay feedback and this was via paypal, the scam potential here is zero :s