[03:07] <rezbd> is it possible to run Ubuntu 11.10 on a netbook of Atom processor 1.66 Ghz with 1 GB RAM ?
[03:13] <bodhizazen> yes rezbd
[03:16] <rezbd> thanks bodhizazen , but I think it needs atleast pentium 4 processor. I'm afraid will it work for ATOM
[03:23] <bodhizazen> rezbd, I run linux on my atom processor
[03:24] <bodhizazen> use a light weight window manager if you wish, xfce is fine
[03:24] <bodhizazen> as is fluxbox or openbox
[03:24] <rezbd> I don't know how to do it :p
[03:24] <rezbd> I'm very beginner
[03:25] <rezbd> what's your RAM bodhizazen ?
[03:25] <rezbd> are you running it on a 1 GB RAM?
[03:32] <bodhizazen> my netbook has 2 gb ram
[03:32] <bodhizazen> but Ubuntu will run just fine on 1 gb
[03:33] <rezbd> ok :)
[03:33] <bodhizazen> rezbd, download xubuntu (xfce) or lubuntu (openbox + lx desktop)
[03:33] <rezbd> does xfce mean Xubuntu?
[03:33] <bodhizazen> either will run fast enough
[03:33] <bodhizazen> yes
[03:33] <bodhizazen> kde = kubuntu
[03:33] <bodhizazen> xfce = xubuntu
[03:33] <bodhizazen> lxde = lubuntu
[03:34] <rezbd> ok. thanks :)
[03:34] <bodhizazen> http://xwinman.org/
[03:34] <bodhizazen> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/a-5-minute-guide-to-fluxbox/
[03:49] <w30> lubuntu picks light (as in small disk space apps) default but you can install whatever, my lubuntu takes up about 3 gig.
[03:50] <w30> lubuntu works nice on my 8gig ssd notebook
[03:51] <w30> XP and word choked up the whole netbook
[06:38] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:39] <philipballew> sebsebseb, hello
[06:39] <sebsebseb> philipballew: hi
[06:39] <philipballew> whats up
[06:40] <sebsebseb> not much you?
[06:46] <philipballew> sebsebseb, I am just chilling i guess. for much off topic talk there is always #ubuntu-beginners-team
[09:10] <wisevoyager> Assalamualaikum & salam !Malaysia..
[09:12] <wisevoyager> anybody here fm m'sia?
[09:12] <wisevoyager> I'd prefer talk in native language..,
[09:59] <g4xyw> ?
[09:59] <wisevoyager> ??
[10:00] <g4xyw> Hello Everybody, I am trying to find out how to locate the scource code for the "streamer" utility, can anybody please shove me in the correct direction.
[10:01] <geirha> g4xyw: apt-get source streamer
[10:08] <g4xyw> Brilliant, thanks.
[19:44] <chute> Hello - sorry to bug, but how do you access "connect to server" under Unity (11.10)?
[19:45] <philipballew> chute, yeah. its on the top bar when your looking at the desktop
[19:45] <philipballew> your not bugging. dont worry
[19:46] <philipballew> im in debian now so i cant check for you
[19:48] <philipballew> chute, that work well>
[19:48] <philipballew> ?
[19:48] <chute> no :)
[19:48] <chute>  network is there
[19:49] <chute> but I would like to connect via ssh to my other PC - it was formerly under "Places / connect to server"
[19:51] <chute> and I can't find that option under nautilus in Unity - is there another place? Also tried Dash search but it couldn't find "connect to server"
[19:54] <chute> giving Unity another go after this afternoons "classroom" by jcastro, but it is difficult to find my way around
[19:55] <philipballew> you can ssh through terminal?
[19:56] <philipballew> jcastro is a cool dude
[19:57] <chute> yes to both :)
[19:57] <chute> no problem in connecting via ssh directly
[19:59] <chute> it must be there somewhere, I am just to noobish to find it or maybe the nomenclature has changed.
[20:00] <philipballew> how do you like unity?
[20:01] <chute> well, I am giving it a new try - but it sure is different - it feels to Macish nearly :)
[20:03] <philipballew> is macish bad?
[20:04] <chute> have tried Xfce as Gnome is dropping 2.x - works nicely too. I see jcastros points and we all know how difficult it is to change the UI. So right now my quest is "connect to server", I use it all the time. Guess a solution would be sshfs, but that is not the point of the exercise
[20:04] <philipballew> did you see the session after jcastro today chute
[20:04] <philipballew> alright, ill help you do that.
[20:05] <philipballew> lets connect to a server
[20:05]  * philipballew pulls out his laptop
[20:05] <chute> I don't like the menus at the top bar
[20:05] <philipballew> how so?
[20:06] <chute> a long mouse movement when you have several small app windows open - but again, I am too noobish in Unity to give a real opinion.
[20:07] <philipballew> it took me 2 weeks to get used to it :)
[20:07] <chute> it is all still confusing to me, let me put it that way
[20:07] <philipballew> go to desktop
[20:07] <philipballew> file > connect to server
[20:08] <chute> under nautilus?
[20:08] <philipballew> no.
[20:09] <philipballew> when the desktop is showing
[20:09] <philipballew> like wallpaper
[20:09] <chute> I found it :)
[20:09] <chute> in nautilus File menu, indeed
[20:09] <philipballew> there you go!
[20:10] <chute> is the default browser still nautilus btw?
[20:10] <philipballew> yes it is
[20:10] <philipballew> i like the tab browsing
[20:10] <chute> thanks a lot philipballew, I feel stupid now - it was there under my nose all the time
[20:11] <philipballew> its ok
[20:11] <philipballew> if you need any help im on here alot.
[20:12] <chute> so it took you two weeks? and now you do all you did before under unity as easily as before or even faster?
[20:13] <philipballew> very much so
[20:13] <philipballew> i have my terminal chrome and irc app
[20:14] <philipballew> its my main apps
[20:14] <chute> anyhow, thanks a lot again, and I will try a bit harder next time, before bugging you guys
[20:14] <philipballew> you can customize unity
[20:14] <philipballew> you are not bugging :)
[20:14] <chute> maybe a hint on how to create new workspaces?
[20:15] <chute> I seem to have one only
[20:15] <philipballew> on the unity pannel there shold be a workspace switcher
[20:15] <philipballew> *should
[20:15] <chute> and haven't found yet where to define the number of workspaces
[20:16] <chute> pannel is the top bar, right?
[20:17] <philipballew> i mean the bar on the side
[20:17] <chute> yes, i tried that
[20:18] <chute> 4 equal areas here. Top left is a miniature of my desktop and the three other quadrants are black
[20:19] <philipballew> try this
[20:20] <philipballew> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/quickly-adjust-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity-with-indicator-workspaces/
[20:20] <philipballew> somethink to hack on
[20:20] <philipballew> I gtg to a swap meet
[20:20] <chute> but I only can click on the miniature desktop (which brings me back to where I started) - clicking on any other part does nothing
[20:20] <chute> thanks a lot philipballew
[20:21] <philipballew> feel free to email me with anything
[20:21] <philipballew><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:18] <chute> Hello again - are the /home partitions compatible between 10.04 Gnome and 11.10 Unity? I.e. can I overwrite my root partition, installing 11.10, and keep my old /home partition? No major clashes foreseen?
[21:27] <Brutus-> chute, good question... Who knows
[21:29] <chute> I'll start with a good backup - thanks, Brutus-
[21:30] <geirha> In general, software will adapt config files from older versions of the software.
[21:38] <chute> running 10.04 and 11.10 on the same /home would be risky then, I guess
[21:43] <geirha> Some software may get problematic, but if it's designed somewhat sanely, the older software should just ignore newer/unknown configuration, while the newer software should just ignore older, no-longer-used configuration.
[21:44] <geirha> I haven't tried running two ubuntu versions with the same homedir, so I'm mostly just thinking out loud.
[21:44] <chute> I will try that for a start - dual boot with shared /home
[21:45] <chute> I have done that before w/o any problems but not with such a big difference
[21:45] <chute> I might also see a big difference where there isn't one after all
[21:47] <chute> do you think that developers have to maintain different versions for Gnome3 and Unity? Or is it automatically handled by the display manager?
[21:49] <Brutus-> In the actual release, after the installation, you can choose which graphic to use.
[22:15] <chute> There must be differences in the apps. The gparted delivered with 11.10 does NOT put its menu in the status bar.
[22:20] <geirha> The menubar is on the top panel (like on osx).
[22:21] <geirha> That's not triggered by a change in the apps, just different placement of gtk componenets by the desktop environment.
[22:22] <chute> try gparted - here the menus do not migrate to the top panel, but remain in the app window
[22:23] <chute> only the application title migrated to the top panel
[22:24] <geirha> Ah, indeed. So gparted probably doesn't use the standard menubar component.
[22:28] <Daishi> um...Hi!
[23:57] <chute> FYI, running Unity and 10.04 Gnome2 on the same /home partition works fine. Some small visual problems after the 1st reboot but that was easy to resolve by respecifying a new theme.
[23:59] <chute> another app that doesn't put the menus into the top panel is Synaptic Package Manager. There must be many more.


[00:22] <protozoa> i'm having some trouble with a nexus 7 (FLO)
[00:23] <protozoa> its unlocked, booted into bootloader, and ran $ udbflash --bootstrap=true
[00:23] <protozoa> it went through the whole flashing process, showed the ubuntu logo spinning with a progress bar and all of that
[00:23] <protozoa> and then it reboots and is stuck at the google screen
[00:24] <protozoa> i've tried it a couple times now... anyone have a direction they can point me in?
[04:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I connect let’s say Note 3 or ZR1 to a USB keyboard?
[13:12] <pa> hi
[13:12] <pa> question: can i install and run apks on ubuntu touch on a nexus 10, for example?
[13:35] <pa> ok i understand my question is not exactly a "popular" question. But i guess it would be useful for ubuntu to allow such thing.  And java has always been known for beautiful ui's
[15:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I m kinda from the other side; opposite point of view, I don’t even run hyper-v or vmware, because there is SmartOS
[15:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> Java has the ugliest UIs I have ever seen
[15:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> If you want to do UI, find a designer and do AngularJS
[15:12] <utouch> hello, is there any official announcement made by the Ubuntu Touch team for the new version of Ubuntu Touch based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[15:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> TyrfingMjolnir, not sure if you noticed, but I was being facetious. java is disgusting
[15:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> utouch, ubuntu touch, or the sdk, or what?
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> NDK or ubuntu touch
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> ndk?
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> nokia development kit?
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> The android stuff that is not java
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> ah :P
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> Native Developer Kit?
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Looking to buy a phone
[15:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> I actually never got into android development
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is Note 3 good for Ubuntu Phone?
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Me neither
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> I do NodeJS, python, OS X, and iOS
[15:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> when I found out way back that it was just a java front end, and linux was far away from my grasps... meh
[15:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have had all the iPhones apart from 3
[15:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> But 5 is totally retarded when it comes to battery life
[15:22] <utouch> softpedia has published an article about a new ubuntu touch version, but i can find the official annoncement. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Releases-Ubuntu-Touch-Based-on-Ubuntu-14-04-LTS-438400.shtml
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> I wish I could run debian XFCE with the ubuntu wiggles
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> or touch or whatever it’s called
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do you know if there will be a debian touch?
[15:26] <utouch> any idea guys?
[15:33] <Thorondor> Hi Guys, just installed a dual boot ubuntu 14.04. I want to push forward to have it working for my use case at least and my 2 first  "showstoppers to solve" are lack of usable messenger and mail client. In my opinion, the cleanest solution for that is to get empathy  and evolution working here.
[15:33] <Thorondor> Anyone knows What's the current status of that approach?
[15:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, for ubuntu touch? or ubuntu desktop?
[15:42] <Thorondor> Ubuntu touch
[15:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, yah; you want to refer to the ubuntu-core apps
[15:42] <Thorondor> is ubuntu-core a kind of package?
[15:43] <Elleo> Thorondor: iirc various people are working on porting Trojita as an email client
[15:43] <Elleo> Thorondor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> mmmm, try a google search. Otherwise, you may have to setup a development client
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, ah yes, trojita was the name
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> After seeing the screenshots; it looks really nice
[15:44] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, are you interested in app development, or just running the thing?
[15:44] <Thorondor> Ah, interesting...
[15:45] <Thorondor> Well, I'm trying it out at the moment. But the idea is to try to develop what's missing at least for my use model
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, wow great; developing with the ubuntu sdk is a ton of fun
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, you should come join us in #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:46] <Thorondor> But, isn't the sdk focused on web apps?
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, nope.
[15:47] <Thorondor> Oh, sound good then
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, you mean like html5? not at all
[15:47] <Thorondor> I want a native approach
[15:47] <Thorondor> I'll have to take a look at it
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, i mean ubuntu phone can do them, but ubuntu sdk is all about native
[15:47] <Elleo> Thorondor: on the messaging side of things UT is already using telepathy under the hood for calls, SMS, MMS, etc. so I'd guess the plan is to hook into that for other services, not sure exactly what people are planning on that front though
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, ever used qtcreator?
[15:48] <Thorondor> Not really, I was more of the gtk and wxWidgets world in the past, but shouldn't be a problem
[15:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, wow, so you actually have quite a bit of experience under your belt
[15:49] <Thorondor> I would like to have more, but yes, I have a bit at least...
[15:49] <Thorondor> be right back
[15:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> qtcreator is really nice; if you ever did gtk development, I am sure you can appreciate the designer in wt
[15:49] <dobey> IM really should be built into the existing messaging app, not a separate app
[15:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, but there are so many protocols...
[15:50] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: that's what telepathy is designed to handle
[15:50] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: that's irrelevant
[15:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, I don't know how they are doing it, but I think a scopes approach may be neat
[15:51] <dobey> scopes are not meant for interactive tasks
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, telepathy; i take it that is the app in question?
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: telepathy abstracts you away from the nitty gritty details of each protocol, you just write a telepathy plugin for whatever protocol you're interested in and then apps based around telepathy can make use of it
[15:51] <dobey> they're for finding things
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: telepathy is the framework used by the messaging app
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, neato :)
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> although all I really care is about irc
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: it's what empathy also uses (as well as lots of other clients)
[15:52] <dobey> all you really need for messaging, is the code to associate contacts, and the plug-ins for telepathy and ubuntu-online-accounts, to add your own account and do the protocol work
[15:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, mmmm, empathy needs work... their irc client is rubbish.
[15:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> or rather
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> their irc plugin
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[15:53] <dobey> irc would probably be better as a separate app from messaging
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, pah; you and your double standards :P
[15:53] <dobey> group chats are a completely different model from private chats
[15:53] <Elleo> IRC doesn't quite fit into the IM paradigm as neatly as most
[15:53] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: not at all
[15:53] <Elleo> there are a few QML IRC clients on MeeGo and Sailfish, you might consider porting one of those
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, Dont try to deny it!! IM ON TO YOU!!1
[15:54] <dobey> whatever
[15:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[15:54] <dobey> none of my standards are double; they are all however, exceptionally high
[15:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, the irc apps are usually surprisingly large
[15:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, I highly doublet it.
[15:55] <dobey> i don't own any doublets
[15:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> Anyways, my app is gonna be a first of its kind
[15:55] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: you wouldn't need to touch most of it if you were porting from MeeGo or Sailfish though, just modify the QML components to use Ubuntu's components
[15:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> ubuntu will be like; Android, eat your heart out.
[15:56] <dobey> i hope not
[15:56] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: e.g. https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish
[15:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> Introducing the first gnu-APL based logic calculator, employing formal symbolic logic, for a phone ever!
[15:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> exclusively on ubuntu-touch ;)
[15:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> anywhoo
[16:25] <Thorondor> ok I'm back
[16:26] <Thorondor> So, coming back to the conversation, if the current messaging solution is using telepathy, then I should be able to have google talk and SIP protocols working out of the box?
[16:28] <Elleo> probably not straight out of the box at present, but I imagine the amount of alteration required would be fairly minimal
[16:28] <Elleo> as dobey mentioned it'd need a plugin written for ubuntu-online-accounts
[16:28] <Thorondor> I wonder why they didn't just create an alternative interface for empathy on the touch version
[16:29] <Elleo> well empathy is GTK based, so it'd be a complete rewrite
[16:29] <Thorondor> Ahh... mmm
[16:30] <Thorondor> so on touch it's all QT based?
[16:30] <Elleo> and since all the important stuff in empathy is actually done by telepathy then there's little difference between a Qt rewrite of empathy and a new Qt client using telepathy
[16:30] <dobey> Thorondor: because there are a million things to make a working phone platform, and IM isn't extremely high on the list
[16:30] <Elleo> Thorondor: either Qt or HTML5
[16:30] <Thorondor> Elleo: got it, makes sense now
[16:32] <Thorondor> dobey: I know, I was just wondering why I see some different Messaging apps instead of ports of the ones being used on the desktop. But Elleo clarified it.
[16:39] <Elleo> popey: thanks for the speedy approval on the libre.fm app :)
[16:41] <popey> np
[16:42] <Thorondor> I looked at the ubuntu touch core apps launchpad website, and there's no generig messaging app included. The closest is a Facebook app. Am I missing something?
[16:42] <Thorondor> generic*
[16:43] <Thorondor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[16:45] <bacteu> Thorondor: facebook is probably buying canonical too
[16:48] <popey> Thorondor: correct, we don't have a generic IM client
[16:48] <Thorondor> bacteu: come on...
[16:48] <popey> Thorondor: and we discontinued development on the twitter and facebook apps.
[16:49] <Thorondor> popey: I saw "friends on the System apps
[16:49] <Thorondor> this seems to be a messaging effort?
[16:50] <popey> well, depends on your definition of messaging
[16:50] <popey> friends is what was previously gwibber, a "social media" client
[16:50] <popey> so facebook, twitter etc
[16:50] <Thorondor> Ahh that's different
[16:50] <popey> I consider "IM" to be msn, jabber, google chat etc
[16:50] <Thorondor> Yes, that's what I meant
[16:51] <popey> right, we dont have one of them
[16:51] <popey> feel free to write one! :D
[16:51] <Thorondor> :D
[16:51] <popey> app confinement will make it less useful right now as it will get suspended when not foregrounded
[16:51] <popey> so you wont see IMs until you open the app
[16:51] <Thorondor> And there's nothing already ongoing for that purpose?
[16:52] <popey> not that I'm aware of.
[16:52] <Thorondor> ok
[16:53] <Thorondor> What do you mean by app confinments? You mean that some apps get on blobking condition until they are on focus?
[16:53] <Thorondor> blocking*
[16:53] <popey> apps by default don't run when not focussed
[16:53] <Elleo> popey: I wasn't sure if there might be some plan to expand the messaging app, since that's also telepathy based it would seem like a natural entry point for that sort of thing?
[16:53] <popey> yeah, would make sense
[16:53] <popey> as would sip in the dialler app
[16:53] <Elleo> yeah
[16:54] <Elleo> I don't actually know anything concrete in that direction though, it'd just seem the most natural approach to me
[16:54] <Thorondor> popey: Oh really?  That's a surprise for me... I thought it should behave like the desktop
[16:58] <Thorondor> Wow, this looks like a showstopper...
[17:03] <Thorondor> I'm reading something on ubuntu touch app confinement, and looks like you can inform what kind of handling your app needs. It would make sense to say "This app could not be suspended"
[17:04] <bacteu> can't you just copy android's approach for that sort of thing?
[17:07] <Elleo> Thorondor: there was some debate on the mailinglist a while back about that sort of thing, I'm not sure if there's been any plans made to do things differently though
[17:08] <Elleo> Thorondor: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04736.html <-- that's the thread, not sure if there's anything more recent
[17:10] <Elleo> Thorondor: in some cases there are services being created (like media-hub for playing music, videos, etc.) for common use cases where something needs to continue in the background
[17:13] <Thorondor> Elleo: Yes, I'm sure it has to be designed in a usable way. It doesn't make sense to have every app suspended while in background
[17:13] <Thorondor> There are policies and you register the appropriate policies for your app
[17:13] <Thorondor> If I'm getting it right, it makes sense
[17:16] <Elleo> Thorondor: yep, unfortunately (from the perspective of some apps) there isn't a policy for "please don't suspend me" at the moment though
[18:11] <dobey> Thorondor: eh? the SMS app is the generic messaging app
[18:13] <Thorondor> dobey: Makes sense to have SMS together with the other IM protocols
[18:14] <Thorondor> dobey: Do you know the exact project name for this app?
[18:14] <darthlukan> Hello! I have an issue with Wifi on my Nexus 7 flo device on the latest Trusty (the only version of ubuntu touch I've tried on this device).  I have no options for connecting to wifi when in the WiFi settings menu.
[18:14] <Thorondor> I found the phone app in the Core set, but it says it's obsolete
[18:14] <dobey> Thorondor: no, the title of the app on the phone is "Messaging" though
[18:14] <darthlukan> When I enter adb shell and then run "ifconfig", only the loopback device is listed
[18:15] <Thorondor> dobey: Originally the phone-app handled dialer, messaging and contacts management
[18:16] <Thorondor> Got it: https://launchpad.net/messaging-app
[18:16] <dobey> yes that
[18:32] <miseria> "vamos por el mundo, odiando y rechazando, aspectos que creemos despreciable de los demas y de uno mismo" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[18:35] <darthlukan> nevermind, got it up and running :)
[18:45] <Thorondor> No sign of telepathy on messaging-app
[18:46] <Thorondor> It's a tiny app by the way
[19:28] <Lotuspsychje> Does touch got updated on trusty release?
[19:48] <Guest005> I am a rookie developer.
[19:50] <Guest005> I would like to learn how to install a Ubuntu Touch on my device but there is not on a list.
[19:50] <Guest005> like LG G2.
[20:00] <bacteu> Guest005: step 1, buy a nexus device
[20:02] <Guest37661> hello
[20:02] <Guest005> I do not want to waste my money
[20:02] <Guest37661> i will download ubuntu for android
[20:03] <bacteu> ubuntu for android is a dead project is it not?
[20:03] <Guest005> dunno
[20:03] <Guest37661> real?
[20:49] <dobey> Guest37661: do you mean "ubuntu for android" or "ubuntu touch, which runs on android devices" exactly?
[21:59] <Hounge> Anyone get touch working on the moto razr m jellybean yet?
[22:03] <rafaeldefazio> Hello everybody
[22:03] <rafaeldefazio> how are you?
[22:05] <rafaeldefazio> I need some help
[22:09] <rafaeldefazio> ...
[23:01] <Scifig> Hi, could anyone please point me to some instructions on how to install Ubuntu Touch preinstalled i386 image onto an x86 tablet? I tried both extracting the tar file to USB drive and dd copy "system-i386+generic_x86.img" to USB drive. I am still unable to boot using that USB drive.
[23:02] <Scifig> Boot is stuck with a blinking cursor. I am trying to bring an unused ExoPC tablet to life. Appreciate any help.


[10:03] <hunika> Kubuntu is better than windows I am sure
[10:03] <djk_> jpatrick: i don't think xp still has a boot.ini
[10:03] <jpatrick> djk_: it does
[10:03] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: its Christmas, not Halloween, get it strait dude
[10:04] <jpatrick> It certainly is
[10:04] <djk_> jpatrick: interesting. locate .ini doesn't find it.
[10:04] <Knowerrors> stupit #ubuntu is calling me unregged again
[10:04] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year ;)
[10:04] <jpatrick> djk_: it's "hidden"
[10:05] <Knowerrors> Seasons greetings ;)
[10:05] <jpatrick> djk_: open it in Notepad or something
[10:06] <djk_> jpatrick: that doesn't matter.. anyway, just found it.
[10:06] <hunika> djk_: Can I have both gnome and kde?
[10:06] <Knowerrors> Now 100% kde 3.5 free!
[10:06] <jpatrick> hunika: yes
[10:06] <djk_> hunika: yes, and you can have fluxbox/openbox/e17/whateveryouwant ;)
[10:06] <hunika> jpatrick: And can I simply switch between them
[10:06] <djk_> hunika: yes
[10:07] <jpatrick> log out one, log in the other
[10:07] <hunika> djk_: These are just GUIs right?
[10:07] <Knowerrors> hunika: just choose session type at you GDM or KDM login screen
[10:07] <djk_> yes
[10:08] <Knowerrors> hunika: desktops with window managers
[10:08] <hunika> I see
[10:08] <hunika> I am just curious about gnome
[10:08] <tsb> Greetings. Was wondering if there's something similar to emifreq (http://zzrough.free.fr/emifreq.php), only for KDE?
[10:09] <hunika> Which is better / more beautifull?
[10:09] <tsb> hunika: just try them both
[10:09] <Knowerrors> hunika: IMHO, KDE looks best and has most customization
[10:09] <tsb> hunika: personally, I prefer KDE. it's more customizable..
[10:09] <hunika> I understand
[10:09] <Knowerrors> if you like mac, you might like Gnome better
[10:10] <hunika> Thanks for giving me infos
[10:10] <Knowerrors> Xfce runs the fastest though
[10:10] <tsb> many prefer gnome over kde because "kde looks silly and can't do X", but the are generally clueless :)
[10:10] <_ubuntu> hello
[10:10] <tsb> now, about the cpu throttling thing...
[10:10] <tsb> anyone using any?
[10:10] <hunika> Knowerrors: I never had mac pc but i like how it looks. A theme for kde which looks like mac os x?
[10:11] <jpatrick> hunika: bagira
[10:11] <dm> what is the command for a dist-upgrade??????
[10:11] <Knowerrors> hunika: xfce is a seperate desktop choice...
[10:11] <jpatrick> or something like that
[10:11] <hunika> I see thanks
[10:11] <djk_> Knowerrors: kde runs faster than xfce on my p3 500 laptop with 128mb ram...so yea..
[10:11] <chaoticgeek> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:11] <dm> chaoticgeek and if im running 3.4.3 will it upgrade to 3.5?
[10:11] <Knowerrors> djk_: thats amazing, Ive always heard xfce is faster
[10:12] <djk_> Knowerrors: yea, me too.
[10:12] <chaoticgeek> ok, lets reboot and see if I screwed grub up
[10:12] <Knowerrors> djk_: ok what you said sounded like the oposite, lol
[10:13] <djk_> Knowerrors: ehm, no, i always heard that it's faster, but when i tried it, it wasnt :p
[10:13] <Knowerrors> ok, gotcha
[10:14] <Knowerrors> hunika: if you got a high performance computer, then try kxdocker, it give kde a docker bar like OSX, very nice but resource intensive
[10:15] <jpatrick> hunika: lastest verison is being packages by me :)
[10:15] <djk_> there's the baghira theme, which looks like macs theme
[10:15] <chaoticgeek> woot, I did not screw up gurb :)
[10:16] <djk_> is there a jump'n'run for kde in the repos?
[10:17] <jpatrick> djk_: a what?
[10:17] <Knowerrors> djk_: whats jump'n'run?
[10:17] <manveru> jpatrick: you know - a jump, jump, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllll
[10:17] <kucha> hola
[10:17] <djk_> jpatrick: a jump'n'run game.. super mario world was a jump'n'run for example
[10:18] <jpatrick> ah right
[10:18] <chaoticgeek> super mario on the gameboy was so fun
[10:18] <jpatrick> KGoldrun ?
[10:18] <chaoticgeek> I still remember the big old gameboys
[10:18] <hunika> jpatrick: My comp is 1.3 Duron with 256 ram / 32 mb Video Card / 40 Gb hard disk
[10:19] <jpatrick> hunika: Mine? - 128MB / Pent II / 4MB video / 11 GB HD
[10:19] <jpatrick> I'm getting a laptop for Christmas
[10:19] <djk_> jpatrick: thanks :)  just played jazz jackrabbit 2 yesterday and it was fun :)
[10:19] <hunika> jpatrick: I see that is quite slow right?
[10:19] <Knowerrors> wonder if anyone in here runs arcade emulators on kubuntu, like mame...
[10:20] <jpatrick> hunika: not quite slow...
[10:20] <jpatrick> VERY slow
[10:20] <djk_> hunika: jpatrick's pc is perfect for old games
[10:20] <hunika> jpatrick: And you use Kubuntu breezy?
[10:20] <jpatrick> djk_: it's KGoldrunner
[10:20] <jpatrick> hunika: yep
[10:20] <jpatrick> was on Dapper
[10:20] <djk_> jpatrick: yea thanks, it's installed :)
[10:21] <jpatrick> until something important broke
[10:21] <djk_> does anyone here use dosbox?
[10:21] <SpentCasing> how do i install a python script?
[10:22] <voicu> i installed XFCE by compiling the sources but it doesn't appear in the 'session type' menu (at logon)
[10:22] <djk_> seth_k: are there any good gui's for it? the ones mentioned on the dosbox site are not that nice..
[10:22] <jpatrick> SpentCasing: ?
[10:22] <jpatrick> run it
[10:22] <voicu> how do i add it to the menu?
[10:22] <hunika> jpatrick: And I was affraid of installing kubuntu cos it is so new, and as I heard windows vista needs a powerhouse so I thought that kubuntu is the sam
[10:22] <hunika> e
[10:22] <seth_k> djk_, I haven't found one :(
[10:23] <jpatrick> python <script name>
[10:23] <SpentCasing> jpatrick: well i downloaded a tarball, and it came with 2 folders and a python script, what do i do with it?
[10:23] <chaoticgeek> do I have to use firefox with klik?
[10:23] <djk_> seth_k: :( i don't know how to use dosbox in cli
[10:23] <LeeJunFan> ugh! if you mount /home somewhere in a dir with -o bind, don't rm -rf that dir. :(
[10:24] <djk_> seth_k: i can't type a :  and the gui's for windows won't let me set higher cycles..
[10:24] <seth_k> djk_, yeah. I dunno, I just use it for a couple programs and they didn't require much tweaking
[10:26] <djk_> mmh, i'm tempted to use freedos with qemu..
[10:26] <Knowerrors> whats a good sensor package for kde?  (for cpu load, memory, temperature... etc)
[10:27] <voicu> how do i logon with another window manager (xfce)?
[10:27] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: superkaramba themes
[10:29] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: what about non superkarambe, like just for the regular tray?
[10:29] <SpentCasing> jpatrick: well that was simple enough, thx man
[10:31] <apachelogger> voicu: there's a button in kdm where you can choose the session type to start
[10:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[10:31] <tsb> whoa
[10:31] <tsb> throttling the cpu froze my computer
[10:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how katapult scan folder to find applications?
[10:31] <tsb> tried again, now it worked
[10:31] <voicu> apachelogger: it doesn't appear there, that's the problem
[10:31] <apachelogger> voicu: than it's probably not properly installed
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how katapult scan folder to find applications?
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or better which are the folder that it scans?
[10:32] <apachelogger> Tallia1Kubuntu: konsole -> echo $PATH
[10:32] <apachelogger> though it's just a guess
[10:33] <SpentCasing> !sources
[10:33] <SpentCasing> !restricted
[10:33] <SpentCasing> hmmm, used to work
[10:33] <sampan> !restrictedformats
[10:34] <sampan> ubotu isn't here ;)
[10:34] <SpentCasing> i see
[10:34] <voicu> apachelogger: could you give me a hint what to try? i installed by compiling each package. i didn't get any errors
[10:34] <SpentCasing> i get no sound in flash, anyone remember the wiki?
[10:34] <chaoticgeek> you could use the search button on the wiki.ubuntu.org
[10:35] <SpentCasing> k thx
[10:35] <sampan> tallia1kubuntu  iirc katapault only finds applications that have a kde .desktop file -- it won't find all applications, not even all those in your $PATH
[10:35] <chaoticgeek> but I do remember hearing something about flash not working
[10:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see sampan
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but tell me wise man
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where the *.desktop files are located
[10:36] <SpentCasing> that sux, richard pryor just died :(
[10:36] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde
[10:36] <sampan> you can try locate <appname>.desktop to find them
[10:37] <apachelogger> Tallia1Kubuntu: and it's probably not searching the files it self ;-)
[10:39] <sampan> according to what one of the devs told me, when i asked about katapault a while back, katapault won't even find all apps that have a .desktop file -- the .desktop file has to be in KDE format, so it won't find them if they're in gnome or other formats
[10:39] <deadlogger> then I know
[10:39] <sampan> what the differences are, i have no clue
[10:39] <deadlogger> it's just asking syscoca ;-)
[10:39] <Delvien> Hey anyone know the command to upgrade a distro?
[10:39] <Delvien> someone said it earlier
[10:40] <zaventh> from apt-get?
[10:40] <Delvien> aye
[10:40] <zaventh> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:40] <Delvien> if i do that , what exactly will it do?
[10:41] <Delvien> i dont wanna go and do it and find out that it will break my build
[10:41] <zaventh> well, it shouldn't, but it will install the latest packages of everything you have installed
[10:42] <Delvien> will it install kde 3.5?
[10:42] <Delvien> nm it didnt install anything hehe
[10:44] <deadlogger> actually the repo has to be adapted ;-)
[10:44] <deadlogger> to get 3.5 just add it's repo -> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:44] <ClayG> How hard is it to set up a webserver?
[10:44] <ClayG> Fairly easy with ubuntu?
[10:45] <zaventh> about as easy as anything else
[10:45] <ClayG> lol, really?
[10:46] <zaventh> just install apache and edit the config file
[10:46] <wade> hh
[10:46] <wade> hi
[10:46] <zaventh> im sure there are several articles on it..
[10:46] <deadlogger> ClayG: for configurations you can use webmin and it's apache module
[10:47] <ClayG> nice I've been wanted to set up a webserver on my local network
[10:48] <Coolio10> hi
[10:49] <skudkiller> bonsoir, petit souci avec kde 3.5 et amule lowid ??
[10:50] <Insomniac-> did you forward the ports?
[10:50] <Coolio10> quel est votre problme?
[10:50] <_dirk> mmm
[10:50] <Coolio10> vous avez un LAN
[10:50] <skudkiller> oui, avant kde 3.5 j'etais en highid
[10:50] <_dirk> installing hostap drivers
[10:51] <_dirk> anyone expericed with it?
[10:51] <skudkiller> et maintenant je suis en low id
[10:51] <skudkiller> les ports sont ouvert dans le router
[10:52] <Coolio10> avez-vous install des programmes qui emploient l'Internet?
[10:52] <skudkiller> non
[10:52] <deadlogger> you know that the strangest thing is that I nearly understand skudkiller O.o
[10:52] <skudkiller> so am i
[10:53] <Coolio10> un certain programme sur votre ordinateur bloque les ports
[10:54] <skudkiller> comment voir lekel ?
[10:54] <Coolio10> ou vous avez un raccordement lent ou quelque chose le rendant lent
[10:55] <skudkiller> rien n'a chang apart la mise a jour de kde
[10:55] <Coolio10> je n'ai pas le kde encore mais recherche un programme qui vous laisse voir les raccordements entrants et sortants
[10:56] <Coolio10> les thats impairs puis, peut-tre la mise  jour installe plus de programmes qui exigent votre raccordement et ralentit l'emule vers le bas
[10:56] <skudkiller> ok je vais voir comment sur le site , merci @+
[10:57] <Coolio10> Aucun problme et moi ne suis rellement franais.  J'utilise un traducteur.
[10:58] <Coolio10> anyone here?
[10:58] <_frank> Coolio10: va a #kubuntu-fr pour discuter en francois
[10:58] <_frank> Coolio10: you're using a translator?
[10:58] <_frank> francais
[10:58] <Coolio10> yes
[10:58] <Coolio10> i wanted to help
[10:59] <Coolio10> ill go in french one to help lol
[11:05] <tomsdimension> i installed the server installation of ubuntu, now how do i install kubuntu dapper (what are the repositories for kubuntu dapper)??
[11:06] <apachelogger> just change breezy or what ever to dapper
[11:07] <apachelogger> then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <apachelogger> that will install all kde packages
[11:08] <JDStone> how do I use the kubuntu memtest86+ program?
[11:10] <tomsdimension> apachelogger, it doesnt work cuz it says it has missing dependencies that cant be downloaded
[11:11] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: if you change all repos to dapper?
[11:11] <tomsdimension> do i have to install kubuntu first? cuz i installed the server version of ubuntu
[11:11] <nitsuj> Can somebody tell me where to go to figure out how to format and add a second hard drive for Kubuntu?
[11:11] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, the second hd should be hdb and it should come up with you are installing kubuntu
[11:12] <nitsuj> I installed Kubuntu on my other hard drive but I want to use it as storage.
[11:12] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde
[11:12] <apachelogger> so you can change from kubuntu to ubuntu and vice versa without problems
[11:13] <tomsdimension> apachelogger, i know which is why i am wondering why i get the error  Package akode is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:13] <apachelogger> O.o
[11:13] <tomsdimension> actually, i copied and pasted the new dapper repositories from the ubuntu website
[11:14] <nitsuj> I need to have my second HD with 1 partition and able to use it for storage.
[11:14] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=akode&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[11:15] <roy> hi, i have an iso that I want to emulate so the comp thinks its really on a cd, I know how to do it on windows but not on linux
[11:15] <tomsdimension> eeh screw it, i'll just download the iso
[11:15] <nitsuj> How can I make this 1 partition to use for storage?
[11:15] <nitsuj>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda1   *           1        9541    76638051   83  Linux
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda2            9542        9729     1510110    5  Extended
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda5            9542        9729     1510078+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:16] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, so you dont know how to partition your second hd?
[11:16] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, type in cfdisk /dev/hdb
[11:17] <nitsuj> thanks
[11:17] <nitsuj> Fatal error can not acces drive
[11:17] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, hmm, i got the samething
[11:18] <nitsuj> When I type just fdisk I get this Unable to open /dev/hdb
[11:20] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, type in sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[11:20] <djk_> roy: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic483.html
[11:20] <tomsdimension> you need root priveleges
[11:21] <tomsdimension> you need to create the partition and specify what type you want
[11:21] <nitsuj> there we go... now...
[11:21] <nitsuj> hmm
[11:21] <tomsdimension> nitsug, say new and select the max space (the default number)
[11:21] <tomsdimension> then exit cfdisk
[11:23] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, got it?
[11:23] <nitsuj> hmmm... I think so. let me see
[11:23] <tomsdimension> do you know how to format with the filesystem that you want?
[11:24] <nitsuj> there we go... now...
[11:24] <tomsdimension> here is how you would format with ext3 mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[11:24] <tomsdimension> or /dev/hdb
[11:25] <tomsdimension> not quite sure which way with just one partition
[11:25] <tomsdimension> then mount it to a directory like mount /dev/hdb(1) /mnt/otherhd
[11:26] <nitsuj> ext3 command not found
[11:26] <tomsdimension> if you want it to mount automatically when you boot, you need to add it to your /etc/fstab file
[11:26] <tomsdimension> no, dont put ext3 in
[11:26] <tomsdimension> just type "mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1"
[11:27] <tomsdimension> if that doest work, try putting sudo before the command
[11:27] <nitsuj> works
[11:27] <zaventh> anyone here know php well?
[11:27] <nitsuj> now to mount
[11:28] <tomsdimension> make a directory somewhere you'd like to mount that hd
[11:28] <tomsdimension> i traditionally like: /mnt/somedirectory but ubuntu likes to stick everything under /media/somedirectory
[11:30] <tomsdimension> get it mounted?
[11:30] <nitsuj> hmmm... says mount: mount point /mnt/otherhd does not exist
[11:30] <freeman2411> can someone help me how i can play dvd movies optimal
[11:30] <freeman2411> with best image quality?
[11:30] <tomsdimension> freeman2411, i would look under www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:31] <zaventh> sudo mkdir /mnt/otherhd
[11:31] <tomsdimension> that is old but can be useful
[11:31] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, you have to make the mount folder first
[11:32] <nitsuj> Hmmm... make a mount folder?
[11:32] <tomsdimension> yes, are you familier with mounting drives under linux?
[11:32] <tomsdimension> drives are mounted to a directory/folder
[11:32] <chope> hi, im trying to change a folders owner by 'sudo chown chope. folder' and I get chown: operation not permitted, i've tried with files and i get the same msg, what am i doing wrong
[11:32] <chope> ?
[11:32] <nitsuj> Nope... linux user x3 weeks. hehe. But said goodbye to Windows forever.
[11:33] <freeman2411> ok which player you are usig
[11:33] <freeman2411> using
[11:33] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, there arent drive letters like windows
[11:33] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, do you have an aim or yahoo im address?
[11:34] <nitsuj> I have msn
[11:34] <tomsdimension> hmm, nm, i just want to get out of the way of the other people in this room
[11:34] <Xemanth^> what about google talk?
[11:34] <Xemanth^> or dude... icq :|
[11:35] <tomsdimension> i dont have either
[11:35] <nitsuj> Well I know I got the hard part done. I know I read somewhere about the mounting
[11:35] <tomsdimension> anyway, nitsuj, drives are mounted under a directory rather than a letter like winblows
[11:35] <mister_roboto> tomsdimension, why not just go to some random irc name?
[11:36] <chope> Does anyone know?
[11:36] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, go to room #tomtomtom
[11:37] <Hobbsee> chope: i think you want "sudo chown chope.chope folder"
[11:37] <mister_roboto> tomsdimension: just an fyi, you can also use "/msg <name>" to start a private conversation
[11:37] <tomsdimension> mister_roboto, well it says private messages arent allowed for some reason
[11:37] <Hobbsee> !register
[11:38] <Hobbsee> tomsdimension: you need to register first
[11:38] <Hobbsee>  /msg nickserv help register
[11:38] <chope> Hobbsee: I get the same thing
[11:38] <Hobbsee> chope: hmmm
[11:39] <zaventh> chope.. sudo chown chope:chope folder ?
[11:40] <chope> i think its a fstab problem
[11:40] <chope> y wanted to change mountpoints and replaced 'default' with /mnt/c in the drive
[11:40] <chope> I wanted..
[11:41] <chope> And after that it dissapeared from media:/
[11:41] <chope> could that be related?
[11:42] <hunika> raphink: Are you there?
[11:42] <raphink> yep
[11:42] <raphink> as long as you ping me namely I can be there ;)
[11:42] <hunika> raphink: I have successfully installed kde 3.5 xine and everything
[11:42] <raphink> great :)
[11:42] <hunika> but kaffeine needs some decoders
[11:42] <raphink> good job you did
[11:43] <raphink> w32codecs if you wanna watch some weird formats ;)
[11:43] <djk_> raphink: which codecs does w32codecs contain?
[11:43] <hunika> raphink: How can I get those?
[11:44] <raphink> djk_: mpg, wmv, avi and others of the kind I think
[11:44] <djk_> avi is just a container..
[11:44] <raphink> !restrictedformats
[11:44] <djk_> there's no bot atm
[11:45] <raphink> ah ok
[11:45] <raphink> ;)
[11:45] <djk_> at least not in here..
[11:45] <hunika> raphink: where can I get w32 codecs????
[11:45] <chope> anybody knows if changing the 'defaults' options to 'rw' in fstab can lead to that chown problem?
[11:45] <raphink> look on the wiki hunika
[11:45] <hunika> what is that?
[11:46] <chope> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[11:46] <raphink> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:46] <zaventh> chope: most probably
[11:46] <zaventh> part of the "defaults" is "rw" option anyway
[11:47] <hunika> raphink: I could not find w32 codecs there
[11:47] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <hunika> thanks
[11:48] <chope> ok ill change it back to "defaults" and see what happens with chown..thank you all who answered
[11:48] <chope> (ps: i may be back!)
[11:49] <hunika> raphink:  It is beeing donwloaded :)
[11:49] <raphink> cool
[11:49] <hunika> raphink: I am getting used to Linux
[11:49] <hunika> :D
[11:50] <hunika> I managed to install KDE 3.5 alone without your help
[11:50] <hunika> :)
[11:50] <raphink> heh you're on your way to independence on linux ;)
[11:50] <zaventh> google is a linux user's best friend
[11:50] <hunika> :) Yes definately I am
[11:50] <raphink> and to be able to help others, too :)
[11:51] <hunika> I installed firefox, it is so fast
[11:51] <raphink> I don't like firefox personaly
[11:51] <raphink> well on Mac or Windows I do
[11:51] <raphink> but not on my box
[11:53] <hunika> Why?
[11:53] <hunika> I think konqueror is not better than firefox
[11:53] <hunika> it is slower
[11:55] <raphink> well for what I do with my browser, I wouldn't use firefox
[11:55] <raphink> I need ftp, ssh and more all the time
[11:55] <raphink> and to split my windows in parts
[11:56] <raphink> with different protocols in different parts
[11:56] <raphink> so I wouldn't change my konqueror for FF
[11:57] <hunika> I understand
[11:57] <hunika> I use both of them
[11:57] <hunika> And I just simply surf the web
[11:57] <hunika> I would like to have a winamp base skin for xmms
[11:58] <hunika> where can I get something like that
[11:58] <raphink> I don't like xmms either
[11:58] <raphink> hehe
[11:58] <hunika> I like it is like winamp
[11:58] <raphink> on the xmms site I guess
[11:58] <chope> well, hi again, i replaced fstab with the backup but chown is still giving 'Operation not permitted', and drives are still missing from media:/
[11:59] <raphink> chope: what would you run your chown on?
[11:59] <chope> raphink: on a folder
[12:00] <raphink> what folder ?
[12:00] <chope> mp3
[12:00] <raphink> well I mean is it a folder you own already?
[12:00] <chope> its owned by root
[12:00] <raphink> did you use sudo ?
[12:01] <hunika> raphink: I am installing w32codecs
[12:01] <chope> yes
[12:01] <raphink> what did you get ?
[12:01] <zaventh> chope: is that like a folder on your windows drive or something?
[12:01] <chope> yes
[12:02] <zaventh> ah, that is the problem then
[12:02] <zaventh> its NTFS?
[12:02] <chope> is it fstab?
[12:02] <chope> no fat32
[12:02] <zaventh> oh
[12:02] <raphink> hehe
[12:02] <hunika> raphink: Kaffeine is not working. Does not play anything. I have installed xine and codecs too. Now I can not get an error message
[12:03] <raphink> what does it say?
[12:03] <hunika> rpahink: Absolutely nothing
[12:03] <zaventh> paste the fstab line for that drive
[12:03] <raphink> hunika: what file did you play?
[12:04] <hunika> raphink: mp9
[12:04] <hunika> sorry
[12:04] <hunika> mp3
[12:04] <chope> i didnt have any problem in hoary then i try to update but i ruined the kernel so i formatted and installed breezy from the cd and since then, i wasnt able to write to my fat drives