  SEVEN.
[07:28] <stickyboy> Ok, power problems. :)
[07:35] <Kilos> ai! again. sigh
[07:43] <stickyboy> Kilos: I had a whole discussion with you in the time you ping timeout'ed.
[07:51] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <Kilos> pm it
[08:07] <charl> good morning
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:08] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:08] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:09] <Kilos> maybe ssd's arent a wise choice here unless you have a good ups
[08:09] <Kilos> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/03/01/224257/how-power-failures-corrupt-flash-ssd-data
[08:10] <Kilos> and my new one should be here friday or monday
[08:10] <Kilos> sigh
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> power failures will kill a rust-spinning disk as well
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> get a ups regarless
[08:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:12] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:12] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:12] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:22] <Kilos> i need to save for a ups battery rather than more pc stuffs i think
[08:28] <Kilos> well done Xethron
[08:28] <Squirm> ehlo
[08:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:28] <charl> ups does not only help with power failures it also helps with voltage dips
[08:29] <charl> in botswana we used to have huge problems with that
[08:29] <charl> if you do not run a computer behind a ups it will simply break the psu
[08:29] <Kilos> we  have massive probs atm
[08:29] <Squirm> charl: or spikes, like when the power comes back on after an outage
[08:29] <charl> and then you need to replace the psu every month
[08:29] <charl> Squirm: tru
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> and hope the psu didn't also kill a hard disk or motherboard
[08:29] <Squirm> That's how the municipality killed my psu
[08:29] <Kilos> i also have an inverter her that can run a tv off a battery
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> or both
[08:30] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: also tru
[08:30] <charl> although if it's a good psu it shouldn't
[08:30] <Xethron> Thanks Kilos
[08:30] <Xethron> * CAP: Xethron!Xethron@unaffiliated/xethronXethronYou are now logged in as Xethron.
[08:30] <Xethron> * CAP: SASL authentication successful
[08:30] <Xethron> Seems it was SASL I was looking for
[08:30] <Xethron> Hello charl
[08:30] <charl> hi Xethron
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos you don't typically RUN the pc off the ups, its there to provide smoother power and to give you opportunity to do a clean shutdown in case of mains failure
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> the UPS you buy for R1,000 is probably going to last less than an hour if you try and run a pc on it
[08:31] <Kilos> yes ThatGraemeGuy  thats why im thinking of use an inverter and car battery as well as the ups
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> to get something that can run for several hours will cost big bucks
[08:31] <Squirm> Indeed
[08:31] <Kilos> yeah i just want time to shutdown safely
[08:32] <Squirm> Esquire is selling UPS's for R700
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> do they have a USB interface at that price point?
[08:34] <Kilos> unnecessary pain this power cut nonsense
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I am actively shopping around, so far an APC will be R1,240 :(
[08:35] <Kilos> ai!
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I found prolines for less but i'm not sure of the linux compatibility
[08:37] <Kilos> i go mow some lawn
[08:37] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[08:37] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz watch yourself
[08:39] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: *blink*
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz go to sleep
[08:39] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Huh?
[08:43] <Xethron> Maaz I think I love you
[08:43] <Maaz> Xethron: Excuse me?
[08:43] <Xethron> Maaz too soon?
[08:43] <Maaz> Xethron: Sorry...
[08:43] <Xethron> Maaz Its ok
[08:44] <Maaz> Xethron: Huh?
[08:52] <mazal> bbl , gotta backup home
[08:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: I was talking to you earlier about your "convert everyone to Ubuntu" comment. :D
[08:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: I was saying that Ubuntu on the server is great, but I don't know why they have to go in their own direction on everything.
[08:54] <Kilos> haha
[08:55] <Kilos> its called freedom of choice
[08:55] <stickyboy> First, kernel.org maintains SIX longterm kernels.    Shuttleworth publicy comments that Ubuntu will "stick with MySQL".
[08:56] <Kilos> they have big plans with supporting pcs and mobiles
[08:56] <Kilos> he must know something others dont
[08:56] <Kilos> hes isnt a multimillionare because hes dumb
[08:57] <stickyboy> Furthermore, Shuttleworth said "I think Oracle have been an excellent steward of MySQL, with real investment and great quality."
[08:57] <stickyboy> This is mental...
[08:57] <stickyboy> Ubuntu on the server? Go go go. Desktop? I recommend Fedora to newbies now.
[08:58] <stickyboy> Kilos: But we can still be friends.
[08:58] <stickyboy> :D
[08:58] <Kilos> lol ty so much
[08:59] <stickyboy> I briefly switched from Arch to Fedora 1 year ago... (still on Fedora, omg, geek cred gone).
[08:59] <stickyboy> Fedora 21 is a joy to use... really.
[09:00] <Kilos> ill stick with kubuntu. it does way more than i can ever use and is super stable
[09:01] <Kilos> hard work for me to learn new stuff again
[09:01] <Kilos> and yum is something you say when what you are eating is scrumtious
[09:01] <stickyboy> Kilos: These days we have dnf. :)
[09:01] <Kilos> haha
[09:02] <Xethron> stickyboy: Fedora is nice, but its too bleeding edge. Fedora was my first distro, but if you're going to give Fedora to someone who just want to get stuff done, they're going to be very frustrted
[09:03] <Xethron> Fedora is what Ubuntu tries not to be. A distro for the geeks
[09:03] <Xethron> For newbies, I firmly believe in Linux Mint
[09:03] <Xethron> I also use it everyday as I don't have time to play around with Linux, I just need to get my work done
[09:05] <stickyboy> Xethron: Yah, I get that. (about Fedora being too bleeding edge).
[09:05] <stickyboy> Xethron: Debian 7 is great too.
[09:06] <Xethron> Linux Mint is built on top of Ubuntu's idea of being a "Linux Distro for Human Beings"... But honnestly, I can't stand Ubuntu or Unity. I tried it for a while, and was the most unproductive month of my life
[09:06] <Xethron> Linux Mint with Cinnamon is really stable
[09:06] <Kilos> stickyboy  remember geek type peeps are serious in the minority, one must have a distro to rival windows
[09:08] <Kilos> we need to think outside the linux box to get ahead world wide
[09:14] <bduk> Kilos: you done with the lawn?
[09:14] <Kilos> no man it started raining
[09:15] <Kilos> good way to get hair that stands up straight
[09:16] <bduk> oh thought you had a very small lawn. What about the sheep don't they do the lawn?
[09:17] <Kilos> they do about 3/4 of it as well as the rest of the plot
[09:17] <Kilos> i just mow in front of the house
[09:17] <bduk> raining there now Kilos ?
[09:18] <Kilos> actually on the side where we in/out
[09:18] <Kilos> stopped now
[09:18] <bduk> raining here, wonder where else anyone?
[11:48] <Xethron> haha
[11:48] <Xethron> You guys talking about rain :P
[11:48] <Xethron> bduk: It did rain in JHB as well earlier ;)
[11:49] <Kilos> looks like it getting ready to throw some more here
[11:54] <Squirm> 'lo
[11:54] <Squirm> anyone else's net go down?
[11:56] <Squirm> I heard dfa was down
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4098954519.png still looking healthy :)
[12:39] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: heard dfa is down south of teraco
[12:39] <Squirm> not quite sure what south means
[12:40] <Squirm> but I take that it's between us and them :D
[12:40] <Squirm> with our ISP in the middle somewhere
[12:46] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless.
[12:46] <superfly> he goes to bed early
[12:52] <Kilos> hehe
[12:59] <Squirm> Back up
[13:00] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: using the internal network for a Speed Test is cheating
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> huh?
[13:02] <Squirm> Switching lines, be back now
[13:03] <Squirm> Ok
[13:03] <Squirm> Painless
[13:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> woop woop
[13:08] <Kilos> what now
[13:12] <Squirm> Our main fibre link came back up
[13:22] <Kilos> what causes fibre lines to drop
[13:22] <Kilos> thats all sealed stuff isnt it
[13:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's a lot of equipment involved too besides the physical fibre
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> but typically some idiot cut through a fibre somewhere and it takes a bit of time to get someone to fix it
[13:53] <Kilos> ah
[13:53] <Kilos> expensive equipment needed just to make the connections
[13:53] <Kilos> i think i looked at that once for someone
[14:23] <Squirm> Kilos: very expensive
[14:23] <Squirm> we had a guy come a few times to Treverton, fibre being dug up was a fairly regular occurance :/
[14:24] <Kilos> yeah and precision work to join each little pipe properly
[14:26] <Kilos> no haphazard half jobs
[15:07] <Squirm> Home time
[15:08] <Kilos> yay
[15:08] <Kilos> nearly weekend
[15:54] <Squirm> It's 6pm
[15:54] <Squirm> and still 29deg
[15:54] <Squirm> superfly: I'm baking
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <Kilos> what
[15:55] <Kilos> oh not baking cake or scones or something
[15:55] <Kilos> didnt you buy a fan Squirm  ?
[15:55] <Squirm> No
[15:55] <Squirm> I haven't
[15:55] <Squirm> Not going anywhere now, the roads are chaos
[15:55] <Kilos> well you got this weekend to get one
[15:55] <Squirm> superfly: you said you take the train? Which I also hear are running super late
[15:56] <Kilos> order one online and have it delivered
[15:56] <Squirm> Because the road between the M3 and Main is just backed up with cars
[15:56] <Squirm> Takes me 5min to get to work in the morning, a max of 10min to get back in the afternoon
[15:56] <Squirm> I got home after 20min today
[15:57] <Kilos> wow
[15:57] <Squirm> :/
[15:57] <Kilos> but 20 mins is still good
[15:58] <Kilos> some pta peeps that work in jhb have 2 hours travel time morning and night when travic is good
[15:58] <Kilos> trafic
[15:58] <Kilos> traffic
[15:58] <Kilos> the thing that lotsa cars make up
[15:58] <Squirm> but they live far from work Kilos
[15:59] <Squirm> I live 3km
[15:59] <Kilos> ya 80 ks
[15:59] <Kilos> wow only 3
[15:59] <Kilos> get a bike
[15:59] <Squirm> and arrive sweaty?
[15:59] <Kilos> bicycle better then you stay fit too
[15:59] <Kilos> lol
[15:59] <Kilos> buzz bike man
[15:59] <Kilos> no sweat
[16:00] <Squirm> Looking for a scooter
[16:00] <Kilos> scooter ya
[16:00] <Kilos> or a 50cc motorbike
[16:00] <Kilos> they go forever on a tank of fuel
[16:01] <Squirm> Looking for a 150cc scooter
[16:01] <Squirm> or 100c bike
[16:01] <Kilos> ya thats good
[16:02] <Squirm> 125cc
[16:03] <Kilos> takealot.com must have fans in their inventory and they in capetown so delivery shouldnt take long
[16:04] <Kilos> sweating when trying to rest sucks
[16:04] <Squirm> I'll just go to checkers
[16:04] <Squirm> or a chinese mall
[16:04] <Kilos> no traffic to them
[16:05] <Kilos> try both places and get the fan that blows the best with a 1 year garauntee
[16:05] <Kilos> gaurantee
[16:05] <Kilos> whew forgot how to spell
[16:06] <Kilos> Maaz  spell garauntee
[16:06] <Maaz> Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest
[16:06] <Kilos> Maaz  spell gaurantee
[16:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Guarantee or guarantee
[16:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:06] <Kilos> guarantee
[16:12] <Squirm> Paid R100 for my last fan, it still works
[16:12] <Squirm> But it's at my parents place
[16:12] <Squirm> It's 2 years old now
[16:13] <Kilos> mine is about 20 years old hehe
[16:13] <Kilos> no cover on it anymore even
[16:13] <Kilos> cover get messed up when you move a lot
[16:24] <Squirm> I think it's Nando's for dinner
[16:25] <Kilos> yum
[16:27] <Kilos> you prefer nandos to kentucky?
[16:27] <Squirm> I do
[16:27] <Kilos> the hot ones
[16:27] <Squirm> and the KFC drive through is insane
[16:27] <Kilos> ya
[16:27] <Squirm> But I prefer nano's
[16:28] <Squirm> and it's the same distance
[16:28] <Squirm> bbl
[16:28] <Kilos> i love kentucky
[17:14] <Squirm> That was tasty
[17:20] <Kilos> lol
[17:21] <Kilos> when you hungry most food is tasty and that that isnt gets fixed easy with tomato sauce or chili + arlic sauce
[17:21] <Kilos> chili + garlic
[17:36] <captine> hi all
[17:37] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:37] <captine> Squirm, i just picked up nandos as well.
[17:37] <captine> love that stuff
[17:39] <Kilos> wb Xethron
[18:32] <magespawn> good evening
[18:33] <magespawn> has anyone used seafile?
[18:34] <magespawn> a little like owncloud, i think
[18:36] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:37] <magespawn> hi Kilos, what is the link for your testimonial page?
[18:37] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos#preview
[18:38] <Kilos> or no preview, im not sure what that does
[18:38] <magespawn> ty
[18:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[18:39] <Kilos> maybe you can tell me what the preview bit does
[18:40] <magespawn> not sure, it did not seem to want to load with that at the end
[18:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:41] <Kilos> we should just teach maaz these pages
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz  inetpro.page
[18:44] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/inetpro
[18:44] <Kilos> you must make a page too magespawn
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[18:47] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 1 day, 23 hours, 7 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-27 11:39:24 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-27 12:08:34 PST
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz  wake him up
[18:47] <Maaz> the twit is hiding Kilos
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro  yoohoo
[19:03] <magespawn> i don't think that i have demonstrated the needed support just yet
[19:04] <Kilos> actually magespawn  i read some of their stuff and one can apply and reapply if you fail the first time, but making a wiki page is a start and then you keep adding stuff as an when you do things
[19:05] <Kilos> you also helped me often and were always there for company even when i didnt need help so i will support you no question
[19:06] <Kilos> and now you are become a wireless expert so you will be the wireless man
[19:07] <inetpro> good evenin
[19:08] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[19:08] <Kilos> now i forgot what i wanted to ask you
[19:08] <Kilos> hehe
[19:19] <magespawn> testimonial done
[19:19] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[19:19] <Kilos> dont forget fly and pro hey
[19:26] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[19:26] <kulelu88> Hey oom
[19:27] <Kilos> magespawn  who is this
[19:27] <Kilos> not the monkey??
[19:28] <Kilos> kulelu88  you causing me sleepless nights, im going to be too tired to attend the membership meeting
[19:28] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <kulelu88> oom you need to smoke some of the green stuff :P
[19:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:30] <Kilos> gremble?
[19:31] <Kilos> wb SDCDev
[19:33] <SDCDev> ty Kilos :) how are you?
[19:33] <SDCDev> Im in Jeffreys Bay now
[19:33] <Kilos> im good ty and you SDCDev
[19:33] <Kilos> wow thats lekker
[19:33] <SDCDev> Im great thanks :D
[19:33] <Kilos> gone to catch wavse?
[19:34] <Kilos> waves
[19:34] <SDCDev> hehe 2500KMs done in 4 weeks :) another 2000 to go :P
[19:34] <Kilos> oi
[19:34] <Kilos> catch some waves first
[19:34] <SDCDev> nah just visiting family... will catch some waves while im here though :)
[19:34] <Kilos> best waves in the country
[19:34] <SDCDev> yea im here until Next week wednesday :)
[19:34] <Kilos> nice
[19:35] <Kilos> jbay rocks
[19:35] <Kilos> your bum must be sore already
[19:36] <Kilos> mind you dont catch it on the reef
[19:36] <SDCDev> haha
[19:37] <magespawn> SDCDev: about 600kms a week
[19:37] <magespawn> some driving that
[19:37] <SDCDev> lol well we on a roadtrip :)
[19:37] <magespawn> where to next then?
[19:38] <Kilos> through the transkei
[19:38] <Kilos> mind the cattle on the roads
[19:39] <SDCDev> haha we did the transkei already :) we heading south :P
[19:40] <SDCDev> took over 2 weeks to get through the transkei, its just so beautiful
[19:40] <superfly> Squirm: I do take the train, but I wasn't today.
[19:40] <superfly> Squirm: but I also travel a little further than 3kms ;-)
[19:41] <Kilos> ohi superfly  1 week and some hours
[19:41] <Kilos> are you ready
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <superfly> Kilos: I'm ready as I'll ever be.
[19:41] <captine> SDCDev, Transkei is great.  Mazeppa bay and Cebe are my favourites... hole in the wall is also up there
[19:42] <superfly> Haga Haga. I need to go back there again. Soon.
[19:42] <superfly> hey Xethron
[19:48] <captine> night all.  was up way too late last night.  superfly, after using it last night, bazaar is pretty easy... although i admit I used the bazaar gui for most of what i did... what can I say.  I am a pictures man..


[00:59] <boredandblogging> please digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_73
[19:23] <desertc> Is there a web site to which we can direct media groups that lists the features of the next release?
[19:24] <beuno> desertc, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3
[19:24] <juliux> desertc, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3 is that whare you are searching for?
[19:24] <juliux> s/what/whare
[19:25] <desertc> beuno, juliux: Yes, exactly.  Thank you.
[19:26] <juliux> btw does somebody want some ubuntu mugs?
[19:27] <desertc> I could make use of them as nice give-aways.
[19:27] <beuno> desertc, :D
[19:27] <beuno> juliux, I'd love some, but it won't be cheap to send them all the way over here
[19:27] <beuno> and considering the t-shirt I bought from you is still in perfect condition, I'm sure it's top-quality
[19:28] <juliux> we will produce around 500 mugs in the next weeks
[19:29] <beuno> juliux, I'm sure one post on the planet and you'll sell out
[19:29] <beuno> you are in planet, aren't you?
[19:29] <juliux> beuno, i will make the blog post befor we order them;)
[19:29] <desertc> I had heard some media groups say, "Gutsy Gibbon is released, but we are not sure what are the features other than version numbers."  This webpage you referenced has all the new features in laymans-terms.  I should be useful for the curious.
[19:29] <juliux> beuno, i have no english speaking blog;)
[19:29] <beuno> desertc, yeap, there is one of those for each release
[19:30] <beuno> juliux, then make sure you email me with some details and I'll make sure it's there  ;)
[19:30] <juliux> beuno, cool, i will also ask dennda to write something on the planet
[19:30] <juliux> beuno, but at first i will contact the loco contacts list;)
[19:33] <beuno> juliux, I was referring to planet too, but I'll be happy to post wherever I can
[19:33] <juliux> cool
[19:33] <juliux> if we make 500mugs each mugs cost 3€
[19:34] <beuno> do you have a pic?  url to order?
[19:34] <beuno> It's probably best to post when people can click and buy or pre-order impulsively
[19:35] <juliux> beuno, that is what i will do;)
[19:35] <juliux> a php form that will send a mail into the ticketsystem of ubuntu-de ;)
[19:35] <beuno> juliux, cool, just send over the info when you have it, and I'll make sure it gets on there with as much hype as possible
[19:35] <beuno> "Limited 500 units edition"  ;)
[19:36] <juliux> only limit edition;)
[19:36] <beuno> gotcha
[19:39] <juliux> hm i have no picuter yet
[19:39] <juliux> they are not yet produced
[19:39] <desertc> juliux: You are in the, ah, United Kingdom?
[19:40] <juliux> desertc, nope germany;)
[19:41] <desertc> juliux: I see, it would be too expensive to propel any heavy mugs to me.
[19:41] <juliux> desertc, where are you living?
[19:42] <desertc> I am US-ian.  I worked in Germany a few times, and every gas station with a "mini-mart" would have many racks of magazines, and I was surprised to see an entire rack (3-4 shelves) filled with Linux magazines.  You would never see that here in the USA.
[19:44] <desertc> You count yourself lucky if your town's market carries one magazine, probably Linux Journal.  In Germany, there was "Linux-PHP", "Linux-Kernel", "Linux-Video", just about every topic.  It made me want to learn to read german. :-)
[19:44] <juliux> now it is even more;)
[19:45] <juliux> every computer magazin has also an extra linux edition
[19:45] <juliux> or a special linux magazn
[19:45] <juliux> magazin
[19:46] <desertc> juliux: I frankly could not understand it.  Who goes to a gas (petro) station and buys a Linux-kernel magazine.  Does that place sell a dozen of those magazines each month?
[19:46] <juliux> yes
[19:47] <juliux> but i think that is a bundle of magazins
[19:47] <desertc> I asked if maybe the government was subsidizing the magazines to get people informed, and everyone I asked laughed at me.  *shrug*
[19:47] <juliux> so if you want to have magazin a und b you also have to sell c and d
[19:47] <juliux> so you have to have the linux magazins in your shop;)
[19:48] <desertc> There was just so many.  I've never seen so many Linux magazines in one place ... before or after ... than I would see in a typical german gas station.
[19:49] <juliux> hehe
[19:49] <juliux> linux is very popluar in germany
[19:50] <desertc> All of which I couldn't read.  Which was the sad part.  But great that the technology was embraced by even the lowly gas station owner.
[19:51] <juliux> desertc, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/groups/ that is a list of linuxuser groups in germany
[19:51] <desertc> juliux: I suspect you have many things to teach the LoCos about getting Linux into the communities, except it is all so commonplace for you that you would not think others have trouble with the ideas.
[19:51] <juliux> that are 453 user groups in germany
[19:51] <juliux> so there are enough people who can buy this magazins
[19:53] <desertc> We should get www.linux.org/groups updated.  Only shows 1/6th of those.
[19:54] <juliux> hehe
[19:54] <desertc> Oh, is this true?  I heard that Linux and other computer groups regularly purchase club houses where they store computers and where members can go to meet.
[19:55] <desertc> (in Germany)
[19:55] <juliux> yes some lugs have this club houses but not all
[19:56] <juliux> in hamburg we met in a pub in hannover we have a room a the univesity
[19:56] <juliux> but we don't store computers there
[19:56] <desertc> Oh, I had heard there were meeting places that were owned by the clubs and people would pop-in to work on computer projects.  Must not be so popular then.
[19:57] <desertc> "hacker spaces"
[19:57] <desertc> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/09/west_german_hacker_spaces.html
[19:58] <juliux> there are a lot of lugs who have that
[19:58] <juliux> most of the ccc groups have such rooms
[19:58] <desertc> What a terrific way to foster community spirit within a technology group and to get computing out of the house and into the community.
[20:00]  * bmk789 wonders where his german linux magazine went
[20:01] <juliux> desertc, i bought my last linux magazin four years ago
[20:36] <desertc> juliux: How easy is it for you to go into a computer store and ask for a Linux computer?
[20:36] <juliux> desertc, there are no linux computers
[20:36] <juliux> desertc, some onlineshops have them
[20:37] <juliux> and dell;)
[20:37] <desertc> Interesting.
[20:37] <desertc> That doesn't make any sense to me, though
[20:37] <juliux> hehe
[20:37] <desertc> There's a huge demand for Linux there, and you say no one sells the computers.
[20:38] <desertc> For the price of a dozen magazines, they could just buy the computer pre-assembled.
[20:38] <desertc> It must be the love of tinkering that has everyone there interested in linux technology.  :-)
[20:39] <juliux> desertc, sorry i am not 100% here, i am fighting with drupal and sql;)
[20:41] <desertc> Understandable, that's what I was doing last night.  Up to my neck in it.  Well, I'm off to the local computer store to ask if they want to help promote Ubuntu.
[20:43] <juliux> good luck
[23:01] <desertc> Anyone heard of any physical stores that sell Ubuntu?
[23:02] <desertc> Ubuntu loaded computers?
[23:15] <desertc> I am wondering why there are not more places to buy a computer loaded with Ubuntu.
[23:15] <desertc> Can anyone think of a reason?  I must be missing something obvious.
[23:19] <somerville32> desertc, Because of Microsoft's licensing crap
[23:19] <desertc> I do not understand, could you elaborate?
[23:25] <desertc> somerville32: ?
[23:25] <desertc> I am down at a store talking with a guy who sells used computers for a living, and we could not figure out any technical reason he doesn't use Ubuntu instead of Windows.
[23:26] <somerville32> lol
[23:26] <desertc> The only thing he could say as rationale was that when a Windows version was end-of-lifed, that the customer was forced to buy a new computer because the price of the new OS was the same as a new computer.
[23:27] <desertc> He asked, how can I make money on this Ubuntu?  I said, sir, you're selling $100 with $150 operating systems.
[23:28] <desertc> *$100 computers
[23:30] <desertc> The more I talked to him about all the ways he could make money with Ubuntu, the more I started wondering why no one else was already selling Linux computers with old hardware.
[23:31] <desertc> There must be a reason I am missing... Maybe it is simply the profit margin for selling used computers is so low that it isn't worth having linux-trained staff to support it.
[23:32] <desertc> So, if you know something about Microsoft's licensing that makes this prohibitive, then I'd sure like to know before I get the crazy idea to start this business myself.
[23:36] <desertc> Always the talkative crowd, huh?  Well, the only trouble I have is that I would have to sell 7 computers a day to make the same money I can make from just working a 9-5 job.
[23:46] <somerville32> desertc, Oh, you can definitely start your own business doing it


[05:11] <mvo> kyrofa: hi, the latest os update should contain an updated snappy (iirc you asked about this last week)
[07:53] <zyga> good morning
[07:55] <mvo> hey zyga, good morning
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <noizer> good morning :D
[10:19] <clobrano> hi all! Is it possible to connect to webdm server from a kvm virtual machine with snappy? I tried but it does not seem to work.
[10:27] <stevebiscuit> clobrano: do you have a route to port 4200 setup? I'm not using KVM myself but there's some info in the README: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/webdm/trunk/view/head:/README.md#L53
[10:30] <clobrano> thanks stevebiscuit! Sure, I saw that bug and I run the KVM with this command kvm -m 768 -redir :8022::22 -redir :4200::4200 -hda snappy.img, but I still couldn't connect. I saw that the syslog shows an error like "job webdm failed with result 'dependency' http://paste.ubuntu.com/15169482/
[10:31] <clobrano> stevebiscuit: but no idea about what does that mean
[10:31] <ogra_> looks broken
[10:42] <stevebiscuit> clobrano, ogra_: yeah, that systemd error seems ominous, looks like it might not be able to start the web app
[10:42] <stevebiscuit> clobrano: is there a `snappyd` running?
[10:44] <clobrano> stevebiscuit: yes systemd is running
[10:45] <clobrano> stevebiscuit: well, I'm basically able to do everything I need, just can't connect to webdm
[10:46] <stevebiscuit> clobrano: systemd or snappyd ?
[10:46] <ogra_> how did you install it ... and is that a 16.04 or the old 15.04 ?
[10:46] <clobrano> stevebiscuit: sorry a typo, snappyd is running
[10:47] <clobrano> ogra_: is a kvm virtual machine with 15.04
[10:47] <clobrano> ogra_: I created it with this command kvm -m 768 -redir :8022::22 -redir :4200::4200 -hda snappy.img
[10:47] <ogra_> why the -hda ?
[10:48] <ogra_> (i doubt it breaks anything, butu not needed)
[10:57] <clobrano> ogra_: I tried also without -hda, I took it from Bug #1425021
[12:19] <noizer> zyga can you help for building the snappy environment with your branch?
[12:38] <kyrofa> Good morning
[12:38] <kyrofa> mvo, indeed, thank you!
[12:41] <noizer> Does anyone know when zyga will be back?
[13:13] <noizer> is it normal that i can't install webdm on 16.04?
[13:27] <noizer> kyrofa?
[13:27] <kyrofa> Hey noizer. Can you be more specific? How does it not install? An error? Can it not be found?
[13:28] <kyrofa> What architecture are you using?
[13:28] <noizer> webdm failed to install: can not open /tmp/webdm995163236: cannot open snap: unknown header: "!<arch>\ndebian-binar"
[13:28] <noizer> I'm using 16.04 roling rpi2
[13:29] <kyrofa> noizer, it's possible that webdm needs to be repackaged and re-uploaded after some snappy changes
[13:30] <ogra_> noizer, webdm is 15.04 onlyyet ... i think stevebiscuit works on a 16.04 version
[13:30] <noizer> ok xD
[13:31] <noizer> thx
[13:32] <kyrofa> stevebiscuit, do you know anything about that? ^^
[13:32] <kyrofa> Oh, thanks ogra_
[13:32] <kyrofa> I just spent far too long trying to figure out what his handle was :P
[13:50] <stevebiscuit> kyrofa: that's pretty much the last piece of functionality I've to migrate over to the snapd API
[13:52] <kyrofa> stevebiscuit, excellent. Is the progress feedback still a poll-only interface?
[13:54] <stevebiscuit> kyrofa: the API will soon be using websockets though the front-end JavaScript will likely still poll the WebDM backend
[13:54] <kyrofa> stevebiscuit, ah, okay
[14:36] <kyrofa> dholbach, you know when you're an elite, dedicated member of the Snappy team when...
[14:36]  * dholbach hugs kyrofa  :)
[14:37]  * kyrofa hugs dholbach
[14:49] <davmor2> kyrofa: put him down you don't know where dholbach 's been ;)
[14:49] <kyrofa> davmor2, don't be jealous
[14:51] <davmor2> kyrofa: dholbach's awesome and he knows it, I tell him too many times for it to of not sunk in :)
[14:56]  * dholbach hugs you all :)
[15:22] <kyrofa> jdstrand, did you ever figure out anything more regarding bug #1467595?
[15:23] <jdstrand> kyrofa: it stopped in later releases
[15:23] <kyrofa> jdstrand, urgh... so wily it wasn't an issue?
[15:23] <jdstrand> I feel like wily was good. xenial still is
[15:23] <jdstrand> let me check something
[15:24] <kyrofa> jdstrand, definitely reason enough to update, then
[15:24] <kyrofa> jdstrand, I'm still on trusty and it's killing me
[15:25] <jdstrand> yeah that bug is seriously annoying
[15:28] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I have in my notes "this seems to be improved with the 4.2 kernel"
[15:28] <jdstrand> kyrofa: that is what is in wily btw
[15:28] <jdstrand> I also commented in the bug
[15:29] <kyrofa> jdstrand, you commented to that effect with 4.1, but then you later commented saying nevermind
[15:29] <jdstrand> I did
[15:29] <jdstrand> I did, and I have notes that say that 4.1 was better but still happened
[15:30] <kyrofa> jdstrand, and 4.2 it hasn't happened at all?
[15:30] <jdstrand> I think wily was ok-- I upgraded to xenial a while ago though, so I can't recall. I never see it any more
[15:30] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I *think* so
[15:30] <kyrofa> jdstrand, alright, good to know
[15:30] <jdstrand> you could try the wily lts kernel
[15:31] <kyrofa> jdstrand, yeah good plan
[15:31] <jdstrand> you might need to snag some other stuff too-- eg the bcmwl modules and maybe linux-firmware
[15:32] <kyrofa> jdstrand, there's another issue that's been killing me too-- occasionally when coming back from sleep (or when initially logging in) and plugged into my external 4k monitor, X just crashes. Did that ever happen to you?
[15:32] <jdstrand> I think I just needed bcmwl for my wifi and linux-firmware wasn't needed
[15:32] <kyrofa> jdstrand, yeah I'll need bcmwl as well
[15:32] <jdstrand> kyrofa: yes. that still sometimes happens. I feel like perhaps less on xenial, but quite sure I've seen it
[15:33] <kyrofa> jdstrand, did you ever make an issue for that? Or shall I?
[15:33] <jdstrand> kyrofa: this is my latest annoyance: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1547619
[15:33] <kyrofa> Ugh, that sounds awful
[15:33] <kyrofa> Hahaha, 4k is so bad
[15:33] <jdstrand> 4.3 didn't have that behavior
[15:34] <jdstrand> (or 4.2)
[15:34] <kyrofa> 4.2-4.3 is the sweet spot, eh?
[15:34] <jdstrand> thus far
[15:34] <jdstrand> 4.4 has been ok except for that new bug, and I'm testing bisected kernels, etc
[15:35] <jdstrand> xenial should be decent in the end
[15:35] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I didn't create a bug
[15:35] <jdstrand> (for the crash)
[15:35] <jdstrand> I couldn't find a solid reproducer
[15:36] <kyrofa> jdstrand, oh man, that's easy-- unplug and plug the external until crash. I'll make one :)
[15:36] <kyrofa> jdstrand, I'll make it for trusty, and then perhaps you can comment and whine about wily and xenial too
[15:37] <jdstrand> I don't think I've seena crash with 4.4-- what happens is coming back from suspend the external monitor blanks and unblanks a few times and comes back. of course, the the crash is pretty infrequent for me, so I just might not have hit it yet
[15:38] <jdstrand> hotplugging is the next bug I plan to file-- if I hotplug the xrandr stuff doesn't work right and I get a dialog saying so and the screen stretched all weird. if I press 'Enter' to dismiss the dialog, it all snaps back
[15:38] <jdstrand> I wonder if that is the same bug and the dialog is preventing the crash by stopping before it would crash...
[15:39] <kyrofa> jdstrand, huh, yeah that's interesting. I'm not sure I've ever seen a popup about that
[15:39] <jdstrand> yeah, new in xenial
[15:39] <jdstrand> wily didn't have it
[15:39] <kyrofa> jdstrand, yeah I bet so then!
[15:39] <jdstrand> (and I definitely recall crashes on wily)
[15:39] <kyrofa> Veeery interesting...
[15:40]  * jdstrand nods
[15:40] <kyrofa> jdstrand, maybe we can compare logs. I'll get back to you when I make the bug
[15:40] <jdstrand> ok
[15:41] <kyrofa> jdstrand, it's nice to have someone else who can share my pain
[15:41] <kyrofa> Now if you'll excuse me, I need to logout so my mouse pointer comes back from vacation
[15:43] <jdstrand> kyrofa: heh, :\
[15:43] <jdstrand> kyrofa: good luck!
[15:44] <kyrofa> jdstrand, all good now. Time to fire everything back up now...
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> snapcraft 2.2.2/xenial: I have lots of libs in stage/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and "snap: - usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/*" in snapcraft.yaml. why are those not in the image
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> ?
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: ^^ any hints?
[15:57] <kyrofa> Sweet5hark, check the snap folder
[15:58] <kyrofa> Sweet5hark, let me turn that into a question. Are you placing those libs manually?
[15:59] <kyrofa> Sweet5hark, or is it via stage-packages?
[15:59] <kyrofa> (or from src)
[16:38] <Sweet5hark> kyrofa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1548376 <- filed it as a bug. IMHO this needs a whole matrix of "in build-pkg"/"in stage-pkg"/"dep of build-pkg"/"dep of stage-pkg"/"in snap glob"/"in directory matched by snap glob" for "ends up in stage" and "ends up in snap" each ...
[22:17] <wigleworm> anyone around that can help with a snapcraft question
[22:49] <miken> wigleworm: Hi - try just asking your question perhaps. I'm not sure if there are people around who can answer, but you'll have more chance of getting an answer if there are :)
[22:51] <qengho> wigleworm: Yeah, just ask. Don't demand someone commit to answering something in advance.
[23:23] <jdstrand> pindonga (and beuno): hi! can you pull the review tools? this adds all the snap v2 checks I've been working on


[11:05] <Montresor> rbasak: Happen to see my icecast2 SRU?
[11:05] <Montresor> My == Unit193
[11:05] <rbasak> I don't
[11:06] <rbasak> Where is it?
[11:06] <Montresor> Perhaps I did not tag it well.
[11:06] <Montresor> LP 1899841
[11:06] <rbasak> (I'm not on SRU rota today but I can try to help things along)
[11:07] <Montresor> I was just thinking "now that groovy is out of the way"
[11:11] <rbasak> Looks good. Just needs a couple of minor tweaks.
[11:11] <rbasak> I trust you've built and tested this on Focal?
[11:16] <Montresor> Since the problem isn't focal specific, not exactly (though did build), I technically did the testing on Debian stable with the same version of wolfssl.
[11:16] <rbasak> OK that's enough, thanks.
[11:17] <rbasak> Just to make sure the upload won't be entirely broken.
[11:17] <Montresor> Thank you.
[11:17] <rbasak> We'll need to test the actual binary during SRU verification, please, when asked to in the bug.
[11:17] <Montresor> Yeah that's fine.
[11:19] <rbasak> Do you have a link to where the patch came from, please?
[11:20] <Montresor> Via email and from the aforementioned Xiph issue.
[11:22] <rbasak> Ah. Thanks!
[11:22] <Montresor> (I'd give you the direct link, but I don't have it handy.  I can dig)
[11:25] <rbasak> No problem, I found it
[11:30] <rbasak> OK I made a bunch of changes
[11:30] <Montresor> Dang.
[11:30] <rbasak> Details here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HnrXm2WjZW/ - are you happy for me to sponsor that in your name?
[11:30] <rbasak> Don't worry they're all minor
[11:30] <rbasak> All in metadata and around Ubuntu process, etc. The patch itself is the same.
[11:33] <Montresor> Mmmm, I went with what's closer to a backport version, right.  I forgot the colon didn't I?  But yeah that's all fine, thanks.
[11:33] <rbasak> The issue with the version is that it always has to go up
[11:33] <rbasak> With the ~ it would have gone down
[11:33] <rbasak> And no users would pick that up because from apt's perspective it would have been a downgrade
[11:34] <rbasak> (also Launchpad would block that from happening)
[11:34] <rbasak> If in doubt you can check with dpkg --compare-versions
[11:35] <Montresor> Yeah I should be well aware of version increments, I don't know what I was thinking.
[11:35] <rbasak> On the bug reference, you can double check by looking for Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in the generated changes file if you build the source package for uploads. But you have to be on Ubuntu for the tooling to generate that header.
[11:35] <Montresor> Or run with 'DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu' I believe.
[11:36] <rbasak> (I think there's some setting to...yeah :)
[11:37] <Laney> If the uploader uses dput-ng to perform the upload, it should fail if that field is missing for an SRU :-)
[11:38] <Montresor> I use dput, it suits my needs better. :3
[11:39] <Montresor> I should maybe re-check that dput-ng doesn't do what I want though.
[11:39] <rbasak> dput-ng breaks with my dput configuration and I never got round to sorting it out. One of these days :)
[11:39] <rbasak> OK, uploaded
[11:39] <rbasak> Thank you for working on this!
[11:39] <rbasak> We'll need to wait for a (different) SRU team member next.
[11:39] <Montresor> Thanks for looking into this.
[11:40] <Montresor> (I also do a lot of uploads to a mini-dinstall repo and some uploads to an aptly repo.)


[00:02] <kaveva75> hello
[00:03] <kaveva75> I have a problem installing evolution in my xubuntu 12.04
[00:04] <kaveva75> this is the error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  evolution: Depends: evolution-common (= 3.2.3-0ubuntu6) but 3.2.3-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[00:05] <kaveva75> how can I install this dependencies ?
[00:06] <kaveva75> can you help me ?
[00:07] <kaveva75> are there another ways to connect my xubuntu with email exchange server ?
[00:08] <GridCube> what?
[00:08] <GridCube> !info evolution-common
[00:08] <GridCube> it has to be = ?
[00:09] <GridCube> !info evolution-common prescise
[00:09] <GridCube> !info evolution-common precise
[00:10] <GridCube> in 12.04 you should have that dependency satisfied kaveva75
[00:10] <kaveva75> from ubuntu software center ?
[00:10] <GridCube> kaveva75, yes
[00:10] <kaveva75> i'm trying
[00:10] <kaveva75> thanks
[00:11] <GridCube> kaveva75, you could simply do sudo apt-get install evolution-common
[00:11] <kaveva75> I'm trying , thanks GridCube
[00:11] <GridCube> :D good luck kancerman
[00:12] <GridCube> * kaveva75
[00:12] <kaveva75> dear GridCube, I have this error : xatt@xatt-Precision-M4300:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install evolution-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done evolution-common is already the newest version. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   evolution-webcal linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic gnome-desktop3-data libpst4   linux-headers-3.2.0
[00:13] <GridCube> thats not an error
[00:13] <GridCube> read what its saying
[00:13] <GridCube> :)
[00:15] <kaveva75> I'm trying with apt-get install evolution
[00:15] <kaveva75> and I receiving this error: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following pack
[00:16] <kaveva75> The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  evolution : Depends: gnome-icon-theme-full but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:16] <kaveva75> How can i get this dependency :  gnome-icon-theme-full
[00:16] <kaveva75> ?
[00:17] <GridCube> !info gnome-icon-theme-full
[00:17] <GridCube> !info gnome-icon-theme-full precise
[00:17] <GridCube> well... jus try to sudo apt-get it?
[00:17] <kaveva75> i'm trying
[00:17] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-full --no-install-recommends
[00:18] <GridCube> the --no-install-recommends will prevent that package from installing all unity with it
[00:18] <kaveva75> receive this: xatt@xatt-Precision-M4300:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-full Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The followin
[00:19] <kaveva75> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gnome-icon-theme-full : Depends: gnome-icon-theme (= 3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but 3.4.0-0ubuntu1.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:19] <GridCube> do this: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get update
[00:20] <GridCube> !info gnome-icon-theme precise
[00:20] <GridCube> you should be able to install it, its in the repos
[00:21] <kaveva75> xatt@xatt-Precision-M4300:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done gnome-icon-theme is already the newest version. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   evolution-webcal linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic gnome-desktop3-data libpst4   linux-headers-3.2.0-29 libgtkhtml-4.0-0 libgnome-deskt
[00:22] <kaveva75> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:22] <GridCube> kaveva75, as said:
[00:22] <GridCube> do this: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get update
[00:23] <kaveva75> it's working
[00:23] <kaveva75> ok, finish
[00:23] <kaveva75> so, do i try with install evolution-common ?
[00:24] <GridCube> it should pull the other things yes
[00:25] <kaveva75> don't work
[00:25] <GridCube> :/
[00:25] <kaveva75>  sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done gnome-icon-theme is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:25] <GridCube> that did work
[00:26] <GridCube> Done gnome-icon-theme is already the newest version.
[00:26] <kaveva75> ok
[00:26] <kaveva75> sudo apt-get install evolution  ??
[00:26] <GridCube> try that yes :)
[00:26] <kaveva75> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependencies
[00:27] <kaveva75> Depends: gnome-icon-theme-full but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:27] <GridCube> try that one then
[00:27] <GridCube> oh... you still have broken packages
[00:27] <kaveva75> ???
[00:28] <GridCube> that last sentence, autoremove should have taken care of that
[00:29] <GridCube> but try sudo apt-get install  gnome-icon-theme-ful
[00:29] <kaveva75> this error: sudo apt-get install  gnome-icon-theme-ful
[00:29] <kaveva75> ops, this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gnome-icon-theme-full : Depends: gnome-icon-theme (= 3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but 3.4.0-0ubuntu1.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:30] <kaveva75> what's 3.4.0-0ubuntu1.1 ?
[00:30] <GridCube> but... thats.. it said
[00:30] <GridCube> kaveva75, the version of the program
[00:31] <GridCube> oh its 1.1 and it wants it to be just 1
[00:31] <GridCube> sorry kaveva75 but i have not the slightliest idea of what to do next :/
[00:32] <kaveva75> ok, thank you GridCube
[00:32] <GridCube> kaveva75, let me do some research please
[00:34] <kaveva75> thank, but don't worry , i'm going to sleep , my mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:34] <kaveva75> by GridCube
[00:34] <kaveva75> bye
[00:35] <GridCube> good luck
[01:35] <hfb> Looking for some help with my wireless lan card
[01:52] <hfb> when downloading adobe flash player for xubuntu which version do i want?
[01:53] <Unit193> hfb: Just install xubuntu-restricted-extras.
[01:53] <hfb> YUM, tar.gx, .rpm, or RPM?
[01:53] <hfb> and how would i go about finding that? (im brand new to linux)
[01:54] <Unit193> Nither, you don't download stuff off sites, you use the repos.
[01:55] <Unit193> !software
[02:20] <juanantonio> Buenas
[02:21] <juanantonio> tengo 12.04 y quiero saber si la 12.10 ya es suficientemnte estable
[02:50] <kyle__> ...It probably wasn't the best idea to start out with Xubuntu as my first distro, was it?
[02:51] <kyle__> Can anyone help me get started with it?
[02:57] <kyle__> How does one go about learning the way around Xubuntu
[03:03] <stochastic> kyle__, what sort of problems are you facing?  have you looked at any online videos of xfce or Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[03:03] <kyle__> Not really.
[03:03] <kyle__> I'm completely lost.
[03:03] <kyle__> I probably should have started with vanilla Ubuntu.
[03:05] <kyle__> What videos would you suggest, just to start?
[03:08] <Unit193> kyle__: Take a look at the docs under /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/index.html
[03:08] <Unit193> (As in, paste that url into the browser)
[03:09] <kyle__> Thanks, man.
[03:19] <xangua> good halloween, or as they used to say...hollow evening :) does the xfce panel supports the indicator menu stuff¿
[03:27] <xubuntu475> dajiahao
[03:28] <xubuntu475> da jia hao
[03:29] <xubuntu475> 大家好
[03:30] <xubuntu475> xubuntu，这个有没有离线安装包呀
[03:30] <xubuntu475> 在线下载的话，速度太慢了
[03:31] <xubuntu475> 怎么没有人说话
[03:31] <xubuntu475> 这个空间好安静呀
[03:32] <bazhang> !cn
[03:34] <xubuntu475> 额，，这个不是中文的吗？
[03:34] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[03:34] <Azelphur> pretty chinese characters \o/
[03:35] <Azelphur> 额 this one looks weird though, it's just like a weird scribbley thing.
[03:35] <xubuntu475> 貌似，，也不是所有的人不懂中文的
[03:35] <Azelphur> apparently it means "Amount", amazing how they can cram an entire word into one character
[03:37] <Azelphur> 我不这样做，但谷歌翻译帮助
[03:37] <bazhang> English here Azelphur
[03:37] <Azelphur> aww :(
[03:38]  * Azelphur was testing out the google translate foo
[03:38] <bazhang> chit chat in #xubuntu-offtopic as well please Azelphur
[04:22] <hfb> Every time I try to download all the updates it prompts me to it says "Failed to download package files|
[04:22] <hfb> followed by "check your internet connnection"
[04:22] <holstein> hfb: have you checked your internet connection?
[04:22] <hfb> yes, works fine
[04:23] <hfb> using it to stream TV right now
[04:25] <hfb> any ideas?
[04:25] <holstein> hfb: i would close any update managers and/or package managers.. open the terminal.. run "sudo apt-get update" and see that no errors are reported... then run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[04:26] <hfb> ive done that before, have time to walk me thru it?
[04:26] <hfb> im brand new to linux
[04:28] <holstein> sure
[04:29] <holstein> hfb: i would open the terminal and type..
[04:29] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:29] <hfb> did that
[04:29] <holstein> hit the "enter" key, and see that no errors are posted
[04:30] <holstein> hfb: if you have errors, you can share then with a pastebin
[04:30] <holstein> !paste
[04:30] <hfb> i dont see any errors just apt 0.8.6~exp12ubuntu10.2 for i386 compiled etc
[04:30] <holstein> hfb: then, in the same terminal, type...
[04:30] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:30] <holstein> share any errors
[04:31] <holstein> you should have a list of packages to upgrade.. i usually skim the list as least
[04:32] <hfb> tons of error messages
[04:32] <hfb> copy and paste them all?
[04:32] <holstein> hfb: in a pastebin
[04:32] <holstein> !paste | hfb
[04:33] <holstein> hfb: you can go to http://paste.ubuntu.com ,paste the text, and share the link after clicking the "paste" button
[04:33] <hfb> pasted
[04:35] <hfb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322587/
[04:36] <holstein> hfb: run sudo apt-get update again and paste that
[04:36] <hfb> ok
[04:36] <holstein> hfb: what operating system is this?
[04:37] <hfb> umm the latest xubuntu
[04:37] <holstein> hfb: xubuntu 12.10?
[04:38] <hfb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322597/
[04:38] <hfb> i believe so
[04:39] <hfb> is there any way to check to be exact?
[04:39] <holstein> hfb: in a terminal, lsb_release -a
[04:40] <hfb> 12.04
[04:42] <hfb> 12.04.1 to be exact
[04:42] <holstein> thats the latest lts... 12.10 is the latest regular release
[04:42] <holstein> hfb: you have ppa's added?
[04:42] <hfb> lts?
[04:42] <hfb> i do not know what ppa's are ^^ sry
[04:43] <holstein> hfb: lts = long term support
[04:44] <holstein> hfb: have you copied and pasted anything like "sudo add-apt-repository foo" to get additional software??
[04:44] <holstein> hfb: its odd that you are able to run one command and not the other
[04:44] <holstein> hfb: i would try this
[04:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:44] <holstein> hfb: ^^ run that and pastebin me any errors
[04:44] <holstein> if no errors, try sudo apt-get upgrade again
[04:45] <hfb> no sir, i have only had linux for a few days, only explored the OS a little bit, just learning
[04:45] <hfb> ok brb
[04:45] <hfb> what does the apt-get -f install do?
[04:45] <holstein> hfb: hopefully fix something if its broken or missing
[04:46] <hfb> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[04:46] <hfb> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:46] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$ ^C
[04:46] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$
[04:46] <holstein> hfb: you'll need to close anything else
[04:46] <holstein> hfb: update managers... package managers
[04:47] <holstein> hfb: assuming you used "sudo"
[04:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:47] <hfb> ok
[04:48] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$ apt-get -f install
[04:48] <hfb> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[04:48] <hfb> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:48] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$ ^C
[04:48] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[04:48] <hfb> Reading package lists... Done
[04:48] <hfb> Building dependency tree
[04:48] <hfb> Reading state information... Done
[04:48] <hfb> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 158 not upgraded.
[04:48] <hfb> hfb@T41Geek:~$
[04:49] <holstein> ok, so now try..
[04:49] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:49] <holstein> then
[04:49] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:50] <hfb> seems to be working this time, ill paste my results when there done
[04:51] <holstein> hfb: when that finishes, you should be able to use the GUI updater again
[04:52] <hfb> thats the manager that prompts me to upgrade?
[04:52] <hfb> update**
[04:52] <holstein> hfb: its important to reload the cache.. and its important never to shutdown while upgrading
[04:52] <holstein> hfb: yup
[04:53] <hfb> reload the cache?
[04:53] <holstein> hfb: sudo apt-get update is doing that.. hitting a "reload" or "refresh" button in the GUI ones..
[04:54] <hfb> hmm this stuff is soo cool
[04:54] <hfb> is there a website that can give me a crash course on terminal commands so i dont always have to bug people?
[04:55] <holstein> hmm... i usually just google search what im tring to do
[04:55] <hfb> ok i see
[04:55] <holstein> hfb: i started doing more and more normal everyday tasks in the CLI.. just simple stuff..
[04:55] <hfb> why does it says my name before your type? how did you do that?
[04:56] <holstein> hfb: you mean < >
[04:56] <hfb> cli? that the terminal?
[04:56] <holstein> hfb: CLI = command line interface... the terminal is a way to get to that
[04:56] <hfb> o i c ok
[04:57] <holstein> i type "h" and i hit the tab key... its tab complete.. you can cycle through the h nicks
[04:57] <holstein> if you type hol and hit tab, youll probably get me
[04:58] <hfb> holstein, oh thats cool
[04:58] <holstein> hfb: you can do that in the command line too.. for /path/to/file ...or commands... in the terminal, you can type 'su' and hit tab twice, and you'll see all the su* options... type sud and hit tab and sudo will auto complete
[04:59] <holstein> fir - tab will auto complete firefox
[04:59] <hfb> auto complete?
[05:00] <holstein> yup.. tab completion.. like with the nicknames here
[05:00] <holstein> !cli
[05:01] <hfb> it didnt work for me i tried it
[05:01] <holstein> hfb: what? which? whats "it" ?
[05:02] <hfb> i typed <fir - tab> did do anything
[05:02] <holstein> hfb: hol tab gets my nick...
[05:02] <holstein> hfb: maybe you dont have firefox installed
[05:02] <hfb> i do its my defualt\
[05:02] <holstein> hfb: whatever command you start typing, you can auto complete
[05:03] <hfb> holstein,  ooo so if i type hol then tab and types ur name got it lol sry
[05:03] <holstein> interesting..
[05:04] <holstein> Guest57727: i think that nick is registered
[05:04] <holstein> 01:03 -!- Guest57727<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Killed (bradbury.freenode.net (Nickname regained by  services))]
[05:04] <Guest57727> NickServ-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has regained your nickname.
[05:04] <Guest57727> * You are now known as Guest57727
[05:04] <Guest57727> * You have been killed by bradbury.freenode.net (regained by services))
[05:04] <Guest57727> * Guest57727 has quit (Killed (bradbury.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))
[05:04] <Guest57727> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
[05:04] <Guest57727> * Guest57727 sets mode +i Guest57727
[05:04] <Guest57727>  No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>
[05:04] <Guest57727> what does this mean? ive always had this nick
[05:04] <holstein> Guest57727: i would ask the bosses.. try #freenode ... thats what it looks like to me.. its being regained
[05:05] <holstein> maybe they wanted it for something...
[05:08] <Guest57727> its prompting me to restart
[05:08] <holstein> Guest57727: i would expect that
[05:08] <holstein> Guest57727: its not urgent, but i would soon
[05:08] <Guest57727> ok, no one is answering me on #freenode
[05:09] <holstein> Guest57727: i would wait 24 hours, and if you dont hear from anyone, repost
[05:09] <holstein> if you cant wait, you could send an email in
[05:09] <Guest57727> if i restart i lose all this chat though right?
[05:10] <holstein> depends on the client you are using... you can copy-paste or whatever
[05:11] <Guest57727> ok i c
[05:11] <Guest57727> ok be right back im going to restart and see if it will fix
[05:11] <Guest57727> holstein, thank you for your help u are awesome
[05:12] <holstein> Guest57727: anytime.. i might crash soon, but enjoy!
[05:13] <Guest57727> ty again
[06:53] <CWIDE> Hello. Could anyone please help me out with a problem I've been having. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2078985
[06:55] <apm1> CWIDE, what gpu ?
[06:56] <CWIDE> Guess I should add that let me look up the card 1 second
[06:56] <apm1> CWIDE, if you won't respond , i can't help you :(
[06:56] <CWIDE> :/
[06:57] <apm1> CWIDE, lspci ?
[06:57] <apm1> ^type that in a terminal
[06:57] <CWIDE> thanks :D
[06:57] <apm1> without the question mark
[06:57] <CWIDE> haha
[06:57] <CWIDE> GeForce GT 430
[06:58] <apm1> go to the xubuntu (xfce) menu
[06:58] <apm1> menu>settings>additional drivers
[06:59] <apm1> or .... type "synaptic "in a terminal
[07:00] <apm1> now in the search field in synaptic type "nvidia current"
[07:00] <apm1> find/scroll to the package named "nvidia current" and left click it and select install
[07:01] <CWIDE> Ok
[07:01] <apm1> on the top menu in synaptic now click apply
[07:01] <apm1> that should do the trick
[07:01] <apm1> reboot once
[07:01] <apm1> and report how did it go
[07:01] <CWIDE> Thank you very much :D
[07:01] <CWIDE> I will
[07:06] <CWIDE> It worked great apm1 no more messed up text
[07:06] <CWIDE> Thank you very much :D
[07:06] <apm1> CWIDE, glad i could help , enjoy linux
[07:06] <CWIDE> :D
[07:07] <CWIDE> Well im going to sleep just wanted to fix that before I did. Thanks again. Good night.
[09:15] <xubuntu319> Hi :D
[09:16] <xubuntu319> no one here?
[09:16] <baizon> !hi | xubuntu319
[09:17] <xubuntu319> Well, I'm installing right now Xubuntu but I have some worries
[09:18] <xubuntu319> It takes too long to install
[09:22] <baizon> xubuntu319: home come?
[09:23] <xubuntu319> Well, it says "xubuntu ubiquity: Proccessing triggers for update-notifier-common" for  minutes now...
[09:23] <xubuntu319> *30 minutes
[09:23] <baizon> what hardware?
[09:24] <xubuntu319> 16 GB of ram, an ati 6800 HD series card, an intel quad-core processor
[09:25] <baizon> ou well :)
[09:25] <xubuntu319> I don't think is hardware the issue here
[09:25] <baizon> you can the installation process to see more infomation
[09:25] <xubuntu319> what?
[09:25] <baizon> check there were it stuck
[09:26] <baizon> http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/48/16/04_01.png
[09:26] <baizon> down there you have a triangle
[09:26] <baizon> click on it
[09:26] <xubuntu319> yeah, I clicked on the arrow to see more information
[09:26] <xubuntu319> now it says
[09:27] <baizon> post it on pastebin.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <xubuntu319> how can I copy-paste it?
[09:27] <xubuntu319> It doesn't allow me
[09:27] <baizon> mark and ctrl+c ?
[09:28] <xubuntu319> Yeah, I tryed that
[09:28] <xubuntu319> But nothing...
[09:29] <baizon> then make a screenshot and uplaod it
[09:41] <Touhou44> Does anyone know if the bug where Nautilus is slow to load still exists in the latest Xubuntu?
[09:41] <baizon> Touhou44: you mean thunar?
[09:41] <Touhou44> Sorry, Thunar yes
[09:43] <knome> Touhou44, unfortunately, it does. it's fixed in the development release and we're about to push it to quantal too soonish
[09:44] <Touhou44> That's good news :)
[09:55] <nikolam> Touhou44, when you say slow to load, you mean that sometimes it waits for some period of time before it runs?
[09:56] <Touhou44> Yes, a delay before appearing
[11:19] <nikolam> lower xfce panel that dynamically pops up, get stuc after a while on 12.04 64bit
[11:20] <apm1> nikolam, do you have compositioning enabled ?
[11:20] <nikolam> apm1, i think so, since it is enabled by default?
[11:21] <apm1> no it isn't
[11:22] <nikolam> it was here at me, window manager tweaks>compositor>enable  display compositing is checked.
[11:22] <nikolam> Inly have open source graphics driver, it is amd x1250 /rs690
[11:22] <apm1> nikolam, my guess is have a look at the pannel prefrences
[11:23] <nikolam> apm1, i tried it, but after i unset and set hifing again, it just get a bit shorter and stays
[11:23] <apm1> nikolam, hifing ?
[11:23] <nikolam> don't know how it is on 12.10.
[11:24] <nikolam> You think I can install fresh 12.10 install on separate btrfs volume , so I can dual-boot 12.04 and 12.10 from same partition?
[11:24] <apm1> nikolam, my second guess is install fglrx drivers
[11:25] <apm1> nikolam, sure dual booting can work out
[11:25] <nikolam> no fglrx driver is available for this GPU for kernel above 8.04 LTS
[11:26] <nikolam> I like Btrfs, I got used to ZFS on openindiana before.
[11:27] <nikolam> But they take account snapshots during upgrade, hope ubuntu will do that too.
[11:27] <defile> nikolam, do you find it to be stable?
[11:27] <apm1> nikolam, well i can't say about that
[11:27] <nikolam> defile, I did not get to use it much just installed few days ago.
[11:27] <defile> ah, okay
[11:27] <nikolam> It does not have some great stability record, btrfs
[11:28] <nikolam> But Zfs is already here for 10 yrs
[11:28] <defile> okay
[11:28] <nikolam> Btrfs is fresh new
[11:28] <defile> I've already learned a hard lesson being an early adapter of ext3 on Red Hat back in the day
[11:30] <nikolam> I am thinking of startin 12.10 install from alternate to see if it will offer me to choose alternate Btrfs image to install and dualboot
[11:31] <nikolam> I previously wanted zfsonlinux root for Ubuntu, it also could be done with PPA and Live CD
[11:32]  * nikolam lunch
[11:42] <Andy80> is Xubuntu 12.10 alternate install available? Hasn't been dropped like the Ubuntu alternate?
[11:43] <Unit193> There isn't a Xubuntu 12.10 alternate, no.
[13:25] <Donnie> Stuck in recovery mode. grub package thing is not fount. Will not boot past waiting for network configuration
[13:28] <GridCube> Donnie, have you tried booting to a previous kernel?
[13:29] <Donnie> Yes. Same thing about the network config
[13:38] <nikolam> xfce4-weather applet does not work again. It does not rdisplay weather data after issuing refresh. It is like that for a few last days
[13:39] <GridCube> mmm
[13:53] <GridCube> nikolam, the service its working, you should check your internet connection
[13:54] <nikolam> thanks GridCube :P
[13:55] <GridCube> P: you're welcome
[13:55] <nikolam> it is true I am on wifi and there is some seconds of timeout. It seems he does not lilke to wait :)
[13:56] <GridCube> probably, it does have to fetch updates, but you could make a bug report explaining you issue and ask for it to show the latest fetched forecast if it includes the day you are in or something like that :P
[13:58] <nikolam> GridCube, yes, I suspect also many other apps have problems if network or resolving is not responsive
[14:01] <greasegum> has anyone had this experience? I'm on a big wifi network and everyone not running linux is getting great connectivity, while you're experiencing horrible netlag?
[14:02] <TheSheep> greasegum: anything relevant in dmesg?
[14:07] <greasegum> yeah I was getting this one iwlwifi error, trying to find my notes
[14:07] <greasegum> something about could not clear tx buffer
[14:07] <girafee> compiz is working fine on xubuntu 12.04, but how do i change theme?
[14:09] <GridCube> ask on #compiz maybe?
[14:10] <greasegum> here it is : fail to flush all tx fifo queues
[14:10] <girafee> ok.
[14:10] <girafee> thanks.
[14:10] <greasegum> but it wasn't consistently associated with my horribly erratic ping times
[14:10] <greasegum> just one thing I noticed
[14:12] <greasegum> TheSheep:: otherwise nothing unusual
[14:16] <greasegum> what could be causing my ping to be all over the place? I also checked to see if it could be an IPv6 issue, but that module isn't even loaded.
[14:17] <greasegum> sometimes ping would drop down to hundreds of msec, then I would get several, could not connect to host in a row, then it would come back for a bit
[14:18] <greasegum> nothing weird happening in 'watch dmesg...'
[14:29] <greasegum> help
[14:32] <GridCube> !patience | greasegum
[14:34] <greasegum> GridCube:: sorry, just frustrated. hopefully someone will take pity. I'm gonna try some other things meanwhile
[14:35] <GridCube> :) dont worry greasegum its understable, just have some patience, not all people here is watching the channel
[14:36] <GridCube> greasegum, please provide details of you hardware and other related data you think its importan aswel, that might help
[14:45] <Someone> hello
[14:46] <Guest72850> i have a quick question about deciding between the different ubuntus
[14:46] <GridCube> fire
[14:47] <Guest72850> is it possible to change the color of the theme? like, in the screenshots, all the folders and files are blue, i prefer green, can i change that without redoing the art?
[14:48] <GridCube> sure, its an icon theme
[14:48] <Guest72850> how?
[14:48] <Guest72850> btw, im doing this from standard ubuntu cause i dont really like gnome
[14:48] <GridCube> ah=
[14:48] <GridCube> you mean xubuntu?
[14:48] <Guest72850> yes
[14:48] <GridCube> ok
[14:48] <GridCube> yes
[14:48] <Guest72850> but the computer im typing this on is running regular ubuntu
[14:49] <Guest72850> how?
[14:49] <GridCube> go to preferences there choose Appareance (or what ever its in english it has a pallete and a pencil icon)
[14:49] <GridCube> there you have a tab named Icons
[14:49] <Guest72850> yes
[14:49] <Guest72850> 'appareance' is close enough
[14:50] <Guest72850> so in there i can pick a green theme?
[14:51] <Guest72850> ok thanks
[15:14] <xubuntu621> ciao a tutti
[15:14] <xubuntu621> ho un problema con compiz
[15:15] <xubuntu621> chi potrebbe aiutarmi?
[15:15] <TheSheep> !it | xubuntu621
[16:03] <ner0x> What would it take for me to tar.bz2 an entire install and be able to replicate that install on demand?
[16:06] <GridCube> ah?
[16:50] <[TiZ]> I find myself completely unable to select text in any way at all in every pure GTK application. What do I do to fix this?
[16:51] <ner0x> GridCube: If I wanted to rsync / and be able to extract it on another volume later on, and have that volume be a root device, how would I do so?
[16:52] <GridCube> probably some dd magic
[16:52] <GridCube> or a cloning software
[16:52] <GridCube> but most probably some dd magic
[16:52] <ner0x> GridCube: I was asking more alone the lines of: what dirs do I need in /
[16:53] <GridCube> oh, i have no idea sorry
[16:53] <GridCube> probably all of it except /home
[16:54] <[TiZ]> Click/drag, shift+arrows, even ctrl+a don't work. This seriously cripples my ability to use my work computer, so I *need* to have this fixed.
[16:54] <ner0x>  /dev and /proc are definitely not included.
[16:55] <GridCube> [TiZ], does this happens whit the guest user aswel?
[16:57] <[TiZ]> GridCube: I haven't tried the guest user.
[16:57] <GridCube> try that please
[16:58] <[TiZ]> GridCube: Xfce doesn't seem to have user switching, so that will have to wait for a tiny bit while I finish what I'm doing here.
[16:58] <GridCube> :) ok
[17:03] <[TiZ]> GridCube: I figured it out; it seems that x2x, which I use to communicate with the X server running on my displaylink monitor, was to blame.
[17:03] <[TiZ]> I was starting it incorrectly and for some reason that caused selecting text to just totally die off, I guess.
[17:03] <GridCube> oh :) good luck you find that out because that would have been a real pain to figure out from half the planet away P:
[17:04] <[TiZ]> Yeah, no kidding. :b
[17:22] <ncmccx> hello guys, whats an easyway to access mynetwork shares using xubuntu
[17:22] <ncmccx> in windows 7 i just click network and they all show up
[17:23] <GridCube> ncmccx, check that gvfs-backends its installed, then it should detect the network at boot, you can also use gigolo
[17:24] <ncmccx> ok can you please tell me how to check
[17:24] <ncmccx> am kinda new
[17:24] <ncmccx> if i click home or file system on my desktop there isnt a network option i dont think
[17:25] <GridCube> ncmccx, open a terminal, and type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[17:25] <ncmccx> ok
[17:25] <krishna_> ads
[17:25] <GridCube> it will update the software list and then install gvfs-backends if its not installed
[17:25] <krishna_> asd
[17:27] <ncmccx> ok it says is already the newest version
[17:27] <krishna_> hello all
[17:27] <GridCube> hi
[17:28] <GridCube> ncmccx, then open gigolo and see if your network is listed
[17:28] <[TiZ]> And now I have a new problem. I just installed the nvidia-current drivers on my work box... and now xfsettingsd crashes when I log in. I can't start xfsettingsd at all. It crashes with an X error, "BadMatch". I remember the same thing happening on 12.04, but I don't remember how I fixed it.
[17:29] <GridCube> [TiZ], you are getting send back to the lightdm greeter?
[17:29] <ncmccx> GridCube, nothing shows up in gigolo
[17:29] <[TiZ]> GridCube: No, I am able to log in successfully and stay logged in... however, I have no themes or icons.
[17:29] <[TiZ]> The wrong font is used too.
[17:30] <GridCube> ncmccx, then you are probably not seeing the network
[17:30] <GridCube> [TiZ], when you log in you choose a xubuntu sesssion or a xfce session?
[17:30] <[TiZ]> GridCube: Xubuntu session.
[17:30] <ncmccx> the command  smbtree shows my shares
[17:31] <GridCube> ncmccx, :/ i dont know then, sorry
[17:31] <ncmccx> is gigolo supposed to automatically show them?
[17:32] <GridCube> [TiZ], go to prefereneces, apparence, and window manager settings, there you can set up themes and icos
[17:32] <[TiZ]> GridCube: I know how to configure my themes.
[17:32] <[TiZ]> They are already configured exactly how I like them.
[17:33] <[TiZ]> I am telling you what the problem actually is. Xfsettingsd crashes on the nvidia proprietary drivers, and thus, no theme selection at all is loaded.
[17:33] <GridCube> ok
[17:33] <[TiZ]> Among whatever other problems could possibly arise from the settings daemon not running... I don't know what they could be, but I'm not sure I want to find out.
[17:36] <[TiZ]> Hmm... it didn't seem to like the display configuration I had.
[17:36] <[TiZ]> I deleted my displays.xml before logging in and now xfsettingsd doesn't crash.
[17:36] <ncmccx> anyone in here have xubuntu setup to see network shares???
[17:36] <ncmccx> why is something so basic not supported in xubuntu?
[17:38] <[TiZ]> ncmccx: There's a bug in Thunar... it often won't properly load with the necessary libraries to see network stuff. Do this for me.
[17:38] <[TiZ]> Hit Alt+F2, and type killall Thunar.
[17:38] <[TiZ]> Then hit Alt+F2 again, and type Thunar --daemon.
[17:39] <[TiZ]> Then start up your file manager, and you will see that you now have icons for Trash and Network in your sidebar. You should be able to browse network shares from the network icon now.
[17:40] <ncmccx> hmm i dont think kill all worked
[17:40] <ncmccx> can i run it in terminal?
[17:40] <[TiZ]> I hope you didn't put a space in it.
[17:40] <ncmccx> i think i did
[17:40] <Aicasn> out of curiousity... how do you guys handle your apt updates? don't you get sick of seeing the red icon up there all the time even though it feels like you update constantly?
[17:40] <[TiZ]> Yeah... don't put a space in it. Type it exactly as I typed it.
[17:40] <[TiZ]> Also, you won't see any output other than any file manager windows you have open closing.
[17:41] <ncmccx> no i did killall one word space thunar
[17:41] <[TiZ]> Title case Thunar.
[17:41] <[TiZ]> It's really weird, the main binary is titlecased. No other binary in linux is like that.
[17:41] <awillson> For filing a bug report, I found a matching report on the programs own bug reporter how would it be best to put that down, just as a comment?
[17:42] <[TiZ]> "killall Thunar". Exactly like that. And then, "Thunar --daemon".
[17:42] <[TiZ]> I don't want you to do it in a terminal, because if you do, the Thunar daemon will be in the terminal foreground, and it will die if you close the terminal. If you use the run dialog, it will work better.
[17:42] <ncmccx> it must be case sensitive
[17:42] <[TiZ]> It is case sensitive.
[17:43] <ncmccx> sweet i see network now
[17:43] <ncmccx> trash was there all along i think not network
[17:43] <[TiZ]> Lucky. On my setup, the trash doesn't work unless I apply the fix. Which, luckily, I have done automatically whenever I log in. And which I will show you how to do now.
[17:44] <ncmccx> it goes network then windows network then work group now it hangs
[17:44] <[TiZ]> Give it some time.
[17:44] <ncmccx> kk
[17:44] <ncmccx> what shares do you have?
[17:44] <ncmccx> linux samba shares or windows shares?
[17:44] <ncmccx> i got failed to open workgroup
[17:45] <ncmccx> after it hung for a while
[17:45] <ncmccx> i wish it would just scan for all shares on the network
[17:46] <[TiZ]> Hmm...
[17:46] <[TiZ]> It *should* do that.
[17:46] <ncmccx> it just says windows and workgroup
[17:46] <[TiZ]> I can't very well test mine from where I am right now; I'm at work and our share system is kind of elaborate.
[17:47] <ncmccx> does it see them all?
[17:47] <ncmccx> what shares do you have? any windows 7?
[17:48] <ncmccx> is there a place i need to configure this
[17:48] <ncmccx> gees ubuntu is so not user friendly this is why windows is eating linuxs lunch
[17:48] <[TiZ]> Well, at home, I just have a samba share running on a Linux server. So that may not be the *best* test case. But where I am right now, I have the sprawling network of a university.
[17:48] <ncmccx> aceessing network shares is nothing new and should work out of the box
[17:49] <ncmccx> i see
[17:49] <ncmccx> well i have both types of shares here
[17:49] <[TiZ]> I really love how every time there's one thing that goes wrong, every new user, without fail, goes "man, linux isn't user friendly at all! this is why windows is winning!"
[17:49] <[TiZ]> Except not really.
[17:49] <ncmccx> linux servers running samba and windows machine
[17:50] <ncmccx> except really
[17:50] <[TiZ]> No, I mean I DON'T like it.
[17:50] <ncmccx> if basic networking doesnt work then sorry you have a problem
[17:50] <ncmccx> windows 7 sees all  shares available on the network
[17:50] <ncmccx> automatically
[17:51] <[TiZ]> Okay, stop for a second.
[17:51] <[TiZ]> Get out of your tunnel vision. I know you're frustrated, and I sympathize.
[17:51] <ncmccx> download xubuntu and not only does it not show other shares on linux machines but its networking is actually broken out of the box
[17:51] <[TiZ]> Think about literally every other part of the system.
[17:51] <ncmccx> lol the truth is sad
[17:52] <[TiZ]> Well, that's something you might have mentioned earlier.  I see... so it's a problem with Thunar.
[17:56] <ncmccx> um yeah
[17:57] <ncmccx> its not like xubuntu is new its been around for ages
[17:57] <[TiZ]> I'm gonna level with you.
[17:57] <ncmccx> i like the look i tried it once before in like 2005
[17:57] <[TiZ]> You know how many people work on XFCE?
[17:58] <ncmccx> not many?
[17:58] <[TiZ]> Maybe like five people at the very most, not counting translators. It has very little people power behind it.
[17:58] <Aicasn> tons
[17:58] <Aicasn> millions
[17:58] <Aicasn> more every day
[17:58] <Aicasn> oops. thought we were talking about windows...
[17:59] <Unit193> May want to move to #xubuntu-offtopic though.
[17:59] <ncmccx> ok linux mint is not much better
[17:59] <[TiZ]> Yeah, you're probably right. I'll just go ahead and get to my point.
[17:59] <ncmccx> so i bele\ieve you
[18:00] <[TiZ]> Thunar's network share browsing capability is *very* rudimentary.
[18:00] <GridCube> !ot
[18:00] <[TiZ]> If that's an essential thing for you, you should probably consider MATE or Cinnamon.
[18:01] <ncmccx> what is different?
[18:01] <[TiZ]> I'm sure you could get Nautilus/Nemo/Caja installed in XFCE, but you will suck in loads of Gnome dependencies.
[18:01] <ncmccx> this is ontopic . this channel is usually dead anyway so maybe instead of chasing people to off topic you can get retention in here first so we can help each other
[18:02] <ncmccx> if not for tiz i woudnt know that there was supposed to be a network option in thunar
[18:02] <[TiZ]> A lot is different, but the critical and relevant difference here is the file manager, Nautilus (or a fork of it).
[18:02] <[TiZ]> Nautilus is very mature, and it's had network browsing for a long time.
[18:03] <ncmccx> xfce is supposed to be lighter weight?
[18:03] <[TiZ]> Yeah. XFCE's a tiny bit heavier than LXDE, but it's more capable, more integrated.
[18:04] <Aicasn> cinnamon looks interesting....
[18:04] <[TiZ]> But even so, that also means a few features fall short occasionally, especially with the little man hours behind it. I hate to be the guy in #xubuntu telling you not to use xubuntu, but it's honesty.
[18:04] <[TiZ]> Since MATE, Cinnamon, Unity, and Gnome all have the more mature Nautilus file manager, it will handle your file browsing needs better.
[18:04] <ncmccx> we'll see
[18:05] <[TiZ]> In fact, you can make sure of that yourself, if you can brave through using Unity.
[18:05] <ncmccx> i might just ssh in
[18:05] <ncmccx> with gigolo i didnt know i could manage files over ssh
[18:05] <ncmccx> is there a limit?
[18:05] <[TiZ]> Oh yeah, gigolo's awesome.
[18:05] <[TiZ]> No limit at all, as far as I know.
[18:05] <ncmccx> like file size xfer?
[18:05] <ncmccx> can i stream video?
[18:06] <[TiZ]> You should be able to, yeah.
[18:06] <[TiZ]> In fact, probably better than if you were able to use Samba anyways, lol.
[18:06] <holstein> with linux, the limits are typically hardware... and what you are willing to bother setting up
[18:06] <ncmccx> how did you know there was a thunar bug?
[18:07] <[TiZ]> Same thing happened to me. I wanted to empty my trash from the file manager. I opened it up... no trash icon in the sidebar. No network icon either.
[18:07] <[TiZ]> I looked it up, found a bug report and a workaround alongside it.
[18:08] <[TiZ]> Which, by the way... the consistent fix for that is to create an autostart program in the Session and Startup section of the Settings Manager. You'll want the command to be this: bash -c "sleep 2; killall Thunar; exec Thunar --daemon"
[18:08] <[TiZ]> The bug is caused by a race condition. GVFS isn't ready when Thunar starts up... so the logical fix is to wait a bit and restart it.
[18:09] <ncmccx> i see
[18:09] <ncmccx> where do I add that command?
[18:09] <holstein> autostart
[18:09] <[TiZ]> Click your applications menu, and open the Settings Manager. Then in the System section, select Session and Startup.
[18:09] <ncmccx> im not that familiar sadly
[18:10] <[TiZ]> In that dialog, there's an Application Autostart tab. You can add the new entry there.
[18:10] <[TiZ]> And make sure to type the command exactly as I do so here:
[18:10] <[TiZ]> bash -c "sleep 2; killall Thunar; exec Thunar --daemon"
[18:11] <[TiZ]> You can name it and describe it however you want; that part doesn't matter.
[18:12] <ncmccx> command with " "
[18:12] <ncmccx> ?
[18:13] <ncmccx> i left quotes in thanks
[18:13] <[TiZ]> Yes, leave the quotes in.
[18:14] <ncmccx> i probably have to configure it because it only makes an icon for windows workgroup
[18:14] <ncmccx> that times out
[18:14] <[TiZ]> To be honest? I don't think any amount of configuration is going to fix this one.
[18:15] <[TiZ]> Like I said, Thunar's network browsing is *very* rudimentary.
[18:15] <ncmccx> is there an auto start file that this command was added to?
[18:15] <[TiZ]> Like, it's good enough for basic home networks, and that's it.
[18:15] <ncmccx> ok Do you still use xfce?
[18:15] <[TiZ]> Yes, it created a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart
[18:15] <[TiZ]> Yup. I still use XFCE and I love it.
[18:15] <holstein> one of the first things i missed about nautilus, til i found gigolo
[18:16] <[TiZ]> Fortunately, I have no need to browse between network shares in my file manager.
[18:16] <ncmccx> are the shortcuts that pop up at the bottome new?
[18:16] <[TiZ]> Like... you can still browse *inside* the shares with the file manager, once you get to them. It's just that share discovery in Thuar is kinda... bad.
[18:17] <[TiZ]> That's new with 12.04, I think. It's not standard in XFCE, it's just a bit of flair that the xubuntu team added.
[18:17] <ncmccx> yeah that is the only problem i have but i can live with it
[18:17] <ncmccx> ok i like the popup itEMS
[18:17] <[TiZ]> I flip the panel layout, myself. Main panel on bottom, launchers on top. Since the only thing at the top of the screen at any time anyways is usually just title bars.
[18:18] <[TiZ]> I don't like having title bars between my panel and useful chrome. I'm weirdly OCD like that. :b
[18:20] <[TiZ]> Alright, I need to take my lunch break. Any other questions before I take off?
[18:20] <ncmccx> No thanks man youve been a huge help
[18:20] <[TiZ]> I'm glad. Alright, take care.
[18:20] <ncmccx> u 2 :)
[18:29] <ner0x> Any cronjob entires that will fire on startup shutdown?
[19:10] <jsphillips86> Gotta say, loving Xubuntu. Regular Ubuntu kept crapping out on me, this runs a lot better
[19:12] <Cigam> Hey all. I am new to this IRC channel but was wondering can someone tell me how to change my Xubuntu 12.04 color depth to 32 bit? the videos and pictures are banded since I think I am on 24 bit
[19:13] <jsphillips86> Debconf keeps popping up though. Any way to figure out why? It just flashes and then disappears
[19:18] <Pici> jsphillips86: What Windows calls 32 bit color is actually 24 bit color with 8 bits of alpha.
[19:18] <jsphillips86> Pici, I think you meant that for Cigam
[19:18] <Pici> jsphillips86: I did, sorry.
[19:19] <jsphillips86> Pici, No problem
[19:29] <Cigam> jsphillips86 when I do: xdpyinfo it shows that there is a 32 bit depth I could be on but am not currently, thats why I wondered, but if 24 is true color then why do I have bands and not a smooth gradient?
[19:29] <Cigam> oops Pici :P
[19:30] <Cigam> i meant that for you
[19:30] <jsphillips86> Cigam, Lol. Glad to be a part of your conversation! :D
[19:31] <Cigam> lol yeah ;) im glad too
[19:48] <ner0x> Can you someone rsync / and in the future copy that to a hd and boot to it?
[19:48] <ner0x> s/someone/somehow
[21:47] <xubuntu087> bonjour tt le monde, on peut parler français ?
[21:50] <GridCube> !fr | xubuntu087
[21:50] <GridCube> :)
[21:50] <hhhzzzarn> who else have the volume icon missing?
[21:50] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn, everyone using 12.10
[21:50] <hhhzzzarn> It was there a couple of days ago. :(
[21:51] <GridCube> on 12.10?
[21:51] <hhhzzzarn> Yes.
[21:52] <hhhzzzarn> Maybe it went missing after an update or something that I did.
[22:02] <hhhzzzarn> What is the shortcut to exist fullscreen window mode again? Testing some windows options
[22:03] <unnie> hello!
[22:04] <unnie> is there anyone online that's using 12.04? I just have a quick question :]
[22:05] <pleia2> ask away :)
[22:06] <hhhzzzarn> what is the shortcut to exist fullscreen window mode again (from memory)? I am stuck :)
[22:06] <unnie> I'm just curious as to what kernel you're running, as well as if you're using a desktop or laptop
[22:07] <pleia2> unnie: I've been traveling for about 4 weeks without good internet, so I'm on 3.2.0-31-generic and probably have a kernel update pending, on a netbook
[22:07] <pleia2> hhhzzzarn: no need to repeat your question, if someone knows they will answer
[22:08] <unnie> What is the average battery life for your netbook?
[22:08] <hhhzzzarn> posted on same channel.
[22:09] <pleia2> unnie: only 1.5 hr, old battery (4 year old netbook)
[22:09] <pleia2> was more like 4.5 when it was new ;)
[22:11] <unnie> I guess it's time for me to invest in a new battery then! I get 40 minutes on a laptop from 2011, and a BIOS warning about my battery being in poor shape haha
[22:12] <pleia2> yeah, I'd suggest a new battery
[22:13] <unnie> I've found some nice 12 cell ones, so I guess I'll have to drop the $60 for one :) Thanks for the answer in regards to kernel + battery life!
[22:13] <pleia2> good luck :)
[22:14] <unnie> Thank you :) Have a pleasant night!
[22:15] <hhhzzzarn> my netbook has 7 hours
[22:15] <GridCube> my netbook 15 minutes
[22:15] <hhhzzzarn> but 5 hours now since it is old
[22:16] <hhhzzzarn> i guess it was 6 anyways to start with and not 7
[22:16] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn, fullscreen of what?
[22:16] <hhhzzzarn> gridcube, i found the shortcut key. alt+f11
[22:16] <GridCube> for what?
[22:17] <hhhzzzarn> fullscreen for any window
[22:17] <GridCube> oh... would you look at that!
[22:17] <GridCube> D:
[22:18] <GridCube> ok you teach me a new trick ill teach you one too, move your mouse pointer to the tittle bar of a window and scroll over it, if you have composition ON you will see how the window goes transparent! :D
[22:46] <hhhzzzarn> back
[22:46] <hhhzzzarn> composition on, let me see if i can find it.
[22:47] <GridCube> if you see transparencies than its on :P
[22:47] <hhhzzzarn> its not. It just rolls up the window
[22:47] <hhhzzzarn> how do I activate composition?
[22:48] <hhhzzzarn> i have: enable windows compositing on. Checking sub options
[22:48] <GridCube> thats it
[22:48] <GridCube> hhhzzzarn, yes, press alt while scrolling
[22:48] <hhhzzzarn> oh :)
[22:48] <GridCube> if you dont then it just rolls the window
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> :D
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> I tried this once before in compiz
[22:49] <GridCube> :P no compiz needed
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> but that was years ago
[22:50] <hhhzzzarn> I am going to use my xubuntu in lecture rooms. I sit in front row so everyone behind me sees my desktop.
[22:50] <hhhzzzarn> I will make sure i try that trick next time.
[22:50] <GridCube> XD
[22:53] <hhhzzzarn> Opacity of window during move -> 0. Teleportation.
[22:56] <GridCube> drag windows to the borders, see it rezise to take exactly half the screen
[22:57] <GridCube> press alt-f5 and alt-f6 to the same effect
[22:57] <unheeding> drag it to the top for maximized
[23:01] <hhhzzzarn> I see
[23:01] <hhhzzzarn> I know the drap and snaps :)
[23:01] <hhhzzzarn> I especially like xubuntu as it divides the top half and bottom half, right half and left half.
[23:03] <GridCube> unless you are one of those crazy people with more than one virtual desktop, then you can drag windows trhough desktops that way, i dont see the point of that, but hey!
[23:04] <hhhzzzarn> I don't have two desktops so I need to divide it top half and bottom half, pdf lecture slides on one half, taking notes on the other. or reading articles on one half and taking notes on the other.
[23:05] <hhhzzzarn> I mostly use my snap to move files between two folders, easier if they side by side.
[23:30] <nantou> whenever I plug in an external HDD I get 2 entry points in thunar (left part of the screen) as if they were 2 different HDD
[23:30] <nantou> why is that?
[23:34] <unheeding> it's a known issue


[12:11] <mpt> patriciadavila, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1-eCRKa2i7dOeG5ZFwzTAajymoyq1Dm9USFWghG4Yo78/edit#heading=h.fhtjcp5v1la7
[12:11] <mpt> “If people often trigger a particular command accidentally, make accidents more difficult. A confirmation alert is the least polite way of doing this…”