[00:00] <rgreening> lex79: I have new rc1 ready to upload for building. So might as well wait for it.
[00:00] <ScottK> lex79: How about changing the source package from lemonpos-kde4 to lempos?
[00:00] <lex79> rgreening: ok
[00:01] <ScottK> lemonpos even
[00:01] <ScottK> It's not like there's a KDE3 version to confuse it with.
[00:02] <lex79> I only upgrade...what is wrong in my package?
[00:04] <lex79> ScottK the name of the package is lemonpos-kde4
[00:05] <ScottK> lex79: Is that the upstream name?
[00:05] <lex79> uhm no ScottK
[00:06] <ScottK> Now that we're getting rid of KDE3 stuff as fast as we can, there's really no need to keep KDE4 in the package name.
[00:06] <lex79> ScottK ok...
[00:06] <ScottK> In the long run KDE4 is KDE, so why put it in there.
[00:06] <lex79> ScottK Can I reupload in LP? ok?
[00:07] <ScottK> Sure.
[00:07] <lex79> ScottK when is done, ping :)
[00:07] <lex79> thanks
[00:10] <lex79> ScottK sorry, in debian/changelog what about this?
[00:12] <ScottK> Something like "Renamed source package to lemonpos since -kde4 extension is no longer needed"
[00:12] <lex79> thx
[00:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Last night you gave me a debdiff for kdesdk for boost.  I find someone else has already put the change in bzr, so I'm going to upload that.
[00:13] <rgreening> sure
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> This is what my thoughts on Jaunty are in picture form: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZNzpCYd.html
[00:30] <ScottK> Wow.
[00:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Too much free time.  Package me some plasmoids.
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> Workflow for producing that was:
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> Open ksnapshot and set delay for 10 seconds
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> press prt scr which now actually works in 4.2
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> press crtl + f11 to activate cube
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> drag photo from ksnapshot onto the pastepin plasmoid
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> *pastebin
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[00:31] <ScottK> Packaging plasmoids is easy.  You could have done 2 in all that effort.
[00:32] <ScottK> ;-)
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll just take that as a compliment to my packaging abilities :D
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, but I should revu lex79's plasmoid
[00:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes
[00:34] <lex79> go to work please :P
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looks great
[00:38] <lex79> sure :P
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> advocated
[00:40] <lex79> great
[00:42] <lex79> ScottK https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos-kde4/+bug/325153
[00:42] <ScottK> lex79: I'll try and have a look at it in a bit.
[00:42] <lex79> ok
[00:48] <vorian> evening
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> o/
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: zomg, your kde4libs package built
[00:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You are invited to review the kdesdk revision I just pushed and consider more closely your debian/changelog formatting in the future.
[00:51] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: hahaha
[00:52] <rgreening> ScottK: should have used mine ?
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oops, unintentional
[00:52] <ScottK> rgreening: His change was something else.
[00:52] <rgreening> ah :)
[00:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I've heard of mdz himself taking the time to explain proper debian/changelog formatting to people, so ....
[00:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: did you see my comment in the log
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'll be more careful about that
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: haha, yeah. It was the last time
[00:53] <rgreening> I swear
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> have you test-driven it yet or is this still an in-theory change?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: ^
[00:54] <rgreening> not yet tested :)
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> good luck!
[00:55] <rgreening> I will now ... updating
[00:57] <rgreening> Assuming the lde4libs patch works, then its off to update update-notifier and push v 0.10 out the  door...
[00:57] <rgreening> s/lde4libs/kde4libs/
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> next kde4libs release should rock
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> We already have an upstream patch for a nasty every-app-dies-on-upgrades crash
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> in bzr
[01:06] <rgreening> cool
[01:06] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: uploading new qt 4.5.0 rc1 release to PPA
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> awesome, once I get the systray patches for 4.4.3 squared away I'll probably upgrade
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> The first comment here seems worrying though: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/onwards-and-upwards/
[01:29] <rgreening> hmm. ya
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> afk, phone
[02:03] <ScottK> lex79: I'm testbuilding now.
[02:03] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I get the same build failure
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> oh fiddlesticks
[02:03] <rgreening> Qt4.5.0rc1  FTBFS
[02:04] <lex79> ScottK ok
[02:04] <ScottK> rgreening: At least it cuts down on how much time you need to invest in testing.
[02:05] <rgreening> true
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> haha
[02:07] <lex79> JontheEchidna:  do you use pbuilder-hooks?
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yes, I love them
[02:08] <lex79> I'm reading BuilEnvironment from Kubuntu/Ninjas wiki
[02:08] <lex79> but I have this error:
[02:08] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/114315/
[02:08] <rgreening> ScottK: do we need/use valgrind  and can it be disable in Qt? QTESTLIB_USE_VALGRIND - if disabled may get around the problem
[02:09] <ScottK> rgreening: I think disabling is fine for a test build.
[02:09] <rgreening> ok.
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> lex79: that doesn't look hook-related
[02:10] <ScottK> Also because of our libc our definition of what the results should be may be different than upstream's.
[02:10]  * ScottK filed enough bugs due to that with clamav that upstream surrendered and defaulted the test to off.
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you could try renaming the custompool to NOTUSED_D09Cusompool
[02:10] <rgreening> lol
[02:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: where?
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> in the hooks directory
[02:13] <lex79> ok
[02:14] <ScottK> lex79: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[02:14] <lex79> ScottK :)
[02:32]  * ScottK has had it with boost.
[02:32]  * ScottK goes on a hunt...
[02:41]  * astromme agress with ScottK about boost. silly templated nonsense, never seems to want to compile
[02:42] <ScottK> The problem is moving from 1.34 to 1.35.  Need to get everything with interlocking depends moved or they FTBFS.
[02:42] <ScottK> I just got the last KDE one.
[02:44] <astromme> Speaking of versions... I wonder when kde trunk is going to move to 4.5
[02:44] <astromme> or qt-copy, I guess that's first
[02:48] <ScottK> OK.  That turned out to be easier than I thought.  Just one left.
[03:00] <ScottK> So we removed kita2 because it depended on kdebindings for KDE3.  Suddenly an svn snapshot of a KDE4 version appears.
[03:00] <ScottK> Ironically, I find that Google tells me I'm the one that did the initial upload to the archive about a year ago.
[03:00]  * ScottK had no idea.
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> so'd you see bug 325961 then?
[03:12] <ScottK> yep
[03:12] <ScottK> Working on it now.
[03:13] <ScottK> Actually the guy that packaged it mailed me and asked me to look.
[03:13] <ScottK> Since it was me that insisted his one and only package get removed, I figured I ought to sponsor it's return.
[03:14]  * JontheEchidna is working on the boost transition for mailody-kde4
[03:14] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why is it called mailody-kde4?  How about we drop the kde4?
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> because it's still alpha, and there's a stable kde3 version still in the repos
[03:15] <ScottK> Does it still work?
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> that I do not know
[03:16] <ScottK> Just needs kdelibs and qt3, so probably.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> it does all its storage with a custom sqlite backend
[03:16]  * ScottK decides to leave it in peace.
[03:16]  * ScottK shudders.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> in KDE4 it uses Akonadi though
[03:16]  * ScottK also understands why they were first in line for Akonadi
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[03:26]  * ScottK tests out force converting the helpless sponsoree's package to CDBS and kde4.mk.
[03:31]  * ScottK determines ETOOHARD and puts it back.
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, these systray patches cause regressions :(
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> some icons are all black, some are totally corrupted, and kmail isn't changing back to 0 emails
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> which means it'd probably be the same in Qt 4.5, since these patches are in it
[03:45]  * JontheEchidna is soo spoiled by cmake's build % indicator
[03:45]  * astromme is sick of the systray in general
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> systray--j
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> -j :P
[03:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: build % may be it's best feature.
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> ~karma systray
[03:46] <kubotu> systray has neutral karma
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> systray--
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> ~karma systray
[03:46] <kubotu> karma for systray: -1
[03:46]  * astromme doesn't like the concept of things sitting there always visible just to provide notifications
[03:47]  * astromme edits his previous statement. That isn't always true
[03:47]  * ScottK stares at all the KDE goodies in New and says three times to himself, "I will NOT use my shiny new archive admin powers until after I have been properly trained."
[03:47]  * astromme would rather have plasmoids for the necessary bits and notifications for the rest. meh. But he would also rather be able to have a Avant Dock type launcher for his left side 2nd panel.
[03:48]  * astromme chuckles at ScottK
[03:48] <ScottK> astromme will probably like the Message Indicator thingy Dx is allegedly doing to/for us.
[03:49] <astromme> mmm, cool. I'm always interested in new options
[03:50] <astromme> This may sound a lot like Avant Dock or OSX dock but I I have a containment/panel on the left full of icons, and I want to be able to merge my taskbar with it
[03:54]  * ScottK if fine with options.
[03:54]  * ScottK is gonna be very grumpy if it's in by default.
[03:55]  * astromme agrees.
[03:55]  * astromme is quite satisfied with the standard KDE 4.2 notifications/plasmoid for showing them.
[03:57] <ScottK> Are either of you using Quassel?
[03:58] <ScottK> astromme and JontheEchidna^^
[03:58] <astromme> Yep
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> yes
[03:58] <ScottK> When you get highlighted with KDE 4.2, do the notifications go away after a time or do you have to dismiss them?
[03:58] <astromme> Build date of Jan 27
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: they go away after a second or three
[03:59] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:59] <astromme> Yeah, that's how mine work
[03:59] <ScottK> The Qt notifications go away automatically like that, but in 4.1, the KDE ones do not.
[03:59] <ScottK> I was hoping that would change.
[04:05] <ScottK> The Quassel people just committed their toolbar addition to git, so I think it's time to update the package.
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> ooh, nice
[04:05]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed
[04:40]  * ScottK notes a|wen testing 8.04.2 and cheers \\o/
[04:41] <DaSkreech> I think the Alpha 4 notes are missing a word
[04:43] <a|wen> ScottK: got a few tests going :) ... i'm away for the weekend though, but i'll proceed when i get back, if there is more to do
[04:44] <ScottK> I imagine there will be.  60% of the completed tests so far are yours.
[04:44]  * ScottK cheers claydoh for his testing too.
[04:46] <DaSkreech> claydoh nice blog
[04:46] <ScottK> claydoh: Quassel is about to get a toolbar, so your screenshots will need updating.
[04:47] <ScottK> Quick 5 more people say something to claydoh.
[04:47] <ScottK> You can compliment him on the wonderful Alpha 4 release notes if you want.
[04:51] <DaSkreech> claydoh: Neat notes!
[04:51] <DaSkreech> claydoh you missed a word :)
[04:54] <DaSkreech> The issue in the previous preventing the coexistence
[05:01] <ScottK> DaSkreech: It's a wiki.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah but I don't know if it was the last Alpha release or the Ibex release he was reffering to
[05:02] <ScottK> It was the last Jaunty Alpha
[05:08]  * ScottK sees http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/a-twist-on-the-mojave-experiment/ and notes that it's either Kubuntu or Fedora becuase I saw the video garbage bug.
[05:21]  * astromme had the EXACT same reaction as ScottK did
[05:21] <astromme> including the video garbage bug!
[05:22]  * astromme bets its kubuntu btw
[05:22] <ScottK> Somebody who's not me should point them at my PPA.
[05:22] <astromme> lol
[05:22] <astromme> with the backported fix?
[05:22] <astromme>  /removal of patch
[05:22] <ScottK> Yep.
[05:23] <astromme> That's in jaunty atm, right? (the absense of patch?)
[05:23] <ScottK> Yes
[05:23]  * astromme just discovered the wonders of digiKam while searching (for a friend) for a replacement for iPhoto.
[05:23]  * astromme is hooked
[05:23]  * astromme also is very excited about kdenlive
[05:23] <ScottK> You can get the KDE4 one from digikam-experimental.
[05:24] <astromme> ScottK: already using it =)
[05:24] <ScottK> OK
[05:24] <ScottK> vorian: I saw there was a new ffmpeg upload.  It's probably worth a test build to see if kdenlive is broken or not.
[05:24] <ScottK> Thanks for reminding me.
[05:24]  * astromme smiles
[05:25] <DaSkreech> They being ZDnet?
[05:25] <ScottK> I guess.  Those two guyz.
[05:25] <astromme> those two at least
[05:26] <astromme> I think it's pretty cool that KDE is mainstream enough to be in a ZDNet podcast-ish blog-ish thing where the 'article' assumes good knowledge of KDE and KDE4
[05:39] <ScottK> No new Quassel tonight.  Current snapshot is very crashy.
[05:44] <ScottK> Funny quote from another place, "I once named a network printer, "pileoshit" but in reality, it sort of named itself."
[05:45] <DaSkreech> astromme: Ha ha Thats going to be more interesting when people run KDE4 on Windows 7
[05:47] <astromme> DaSkreech: Exactly =). We're taking over, muhaha.
[05:49]  * astromme marvels at digiKam. So cool
[05:49] <astromme> why I never used this before I have no idea....
[05:49] <astromme> GeoTagging, Great tagging support, albums "how I want them" based on folders, "use my current directory structure" , browse by date/exif/tags/geo...
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah I generally have that or the other when using KDE stuff
[05:52] <astromme> "That or the other"? Maybe I'm just sleepy but I don't understand
[05:52] <DaSkreech> There almost always seems to be this tipping point between Wow This needs a hell of a lot of work to suddenly WHY DIDN"T SOMEONE TELL ME???
[05:52] <astromme> oh, yeah, so true
[05:53] <astromme> kdenlive before 0.7? that was the former. now it's the latter... amazing
[05:53] <DaSkreech> My reaction to trying some new random KDE app is normally one or the other
[05:53] <astromme> I think that's probably a good thing
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Depends on which reaction I have more doesn't it? :)
[05:54] <astromme> True, true
[05:55] <astromme> In my experience there has been more of the latter with the transistion to kde4
[05:56] <astromme> I feel like a lot of app writers took this as a "woah, this can be our big jump" transition
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Or the multi year transistion just gave them a lot of time to do work?
[06:21] <astromme> DaSkreech: that could be. But they could have continued to release kde3 apps in that time (and many did)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Yep
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Though with the two that I Talk to a lot they did releases becuase they needed to clean up project stuff to make a good jump to KDE4
[06:22] <DaSkreech> They need help though :)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> And then there is stuff like Krecipe which jumped to KDE4 then died :(
[06:29] <astromme> =/. So sad
[06:29] <astromme> well I'm off. I have class in 5 hours... meh
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Night
[08:32] <rbrunhuber> I've just seen the announcement of alpha 4 on kubuntu.org. I'd like to ask you to add another point to the known issues section: Due to bug 325690 one should not use encrypted lvm, because this may result in an unbootable setup.
[08:33] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: go ahead, it's a wiki :)
[08:35] <rbrunhuber> riddell: I'd like to see the hint written by a native speaker on such a prominent place...
[08:36] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: copy and paste from your line above reads fine
[08:41]  * Riddell uploads amarok
[08:41] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: It's added now.
[08:45] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I've just seen they have a text on the ubuntu release notes page. Can i copy this? It is more precise.
[08:46] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: sure
[08:50] <knusperfrosch> is there a reason why dolphin from hardy-updates doesn't ship any *.mo file?
[08:54] <knusperfrosch> they are available for en and pt from language-pack-kde-[en|pt]-base but all others are missing
[09:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I uploaded your kdebase-workspace changes (after first failing to upload them)
[09:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: should that klipper patch be put into svn?
[09:22]  * Sime is almost ready to leave for FOSDEM.
[09:23] <Riddell> Sime: see you this evening
[09:28] <Sime> cya
[09:36] <Riddell> rgreening: update-notifier-kde uploaded, you can mark your branch as merged
[09:57] <Lure> Riddell: lensfun got through new. MIR bug 325858 and bug 324523 are now waiting for MIR-team
[09:57] <Lure> Riddell: how long does it take to process MIRs?
[09:58] <Riddell> Lure: it varies greatly, poke asac if it doesn't happen by middle of next week
[09:59] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will do
[12:23] <Riddell> amarok is compiled in the archive, who wants to test?
[12:24] <ScottK> Riddell: You might push it to kubuntu-experimental too?
[12:25] <Riddell> ScottK: for intrepid?
[12:26] <ScottK> Yeah
[12:27] <ScottK> Get more testers that way
[12:30] <Riddell> might wait on that until I have some bandwidth
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, no clue why it wasn't committed before
[13:05] <alleeJaunty> Tonio_, Riddell: tpatzig told me that kdeblueooth will hide/unhide when adapter is (not) available.   So is additional 'complicatpython-dbus-docion' of using autostart kblueplugd to kill/start kbluetooth4 instead of using hide/unhide of kbluetooth4 directly.   IMHO upstream deviation is not worth it.  (Assumed that kbluetooth4 will not crash on adapter unplug anymore)
[13:06] <Riddell> alleeJaunty: sounds like there's no reason at all to have kblueplugd then
[13:07] <Riddell> if kdeblueooth now does what kblueplugd was for
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: by the way, the systray qt-copy patches cause regressions
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> While it is true that it stops flickering/background corruption for most tray icons
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> a few get totally corrupted or are completely black or steal the icon of their neighbor
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> and kmail's unread mail counter doesn't get updated back to 0 after I read my mail
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> (but it does get updated otherwise)
[13:11] <Riddell> hmm, bummer
[13:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so probably our best hope is for qt 4.5 to be problem free and go with that
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> well, these patches come from Qt 4.5
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> Think it'd be worth a shot bringing these issues to the attention to the patches' author and see if he has any insights?
[13:13] <Riddell> yes worth a shot indeed
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> ok
[13:14]  * JontheEchidna shoves that on today's todo list
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> b.k.o is borked. Again.
[13:19] <Riddell> it's disappointingly easy for that site to be DoSed
[13:20] <rgreening> Riddell: make: /usr/bin/extract-messages.sh: Command not found for update-notifier-kde build
[13:21] <seele> rgreening: have you been in contact with _StefanS_? he said he could help with kpackagekit
[13:21] <Riddell> humph
[13:21] <seele> i think Tonio_ knows him
[13:21] <rgreening> seele: Haven't heard from, nope.. and by all means, halp :P
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: oh, how did testing of your kde4libs patch go?
[13:23] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: never went (yet). I'll reboot/test shortly.
[13:32] <Quintasan> I'm going to package rbutil, I'm supposed to create .desktop entry for kde and gnome?
[13:35]  * ScottK wonders if rgreening has seen http://www.datenex.de/blog/archives/9-Would-you-like-fast-or-faster.html and wishes he was here to ask.
[13:36] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna: still no debsym amd64 pkg for kdebluetooth-dbgsym_0.3-0ubuntu2    Maybe a new upload with this kosmetic patch?  http://pastebin.ca/1328970
[13:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: if it's a desktop app it should have a .desktop file for the application menu.  one files works for all desktops
[13:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: one more thing. how do I get it copied to the right directory? I mean, should I create it and copy to debian dir or what?
[13:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: if upstream doesn't have it put one in the debian/ directory and add an entry in your .install file "debian/foo.desktop usr/share/applications/foo.desktop"
[13:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks
[13:42] <alleeJaunty> Quintasan: and sent the file upstream so it get's added to next release
[13:52]  * jussi01 waves to khashayar
[13:53]  * khashayar waves back
[13:56] <glatzor> Hi Riddell!
[13:56] <glatzor> Riddell, Have you already uploaded PackageKit?
[13:58] <Riddell> glatzor: no
[13:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can I use .install file to copy icons? like "rbutilqt/icons/rbutil.png usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/rbutil.png"?
[13:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
.install  of course
[14:01] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure how to trigger it to show up
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I would guess that you'd need to have flash uninstalled and go to a page that needs flash
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> you'd probably have to remove the plugin manually if you had flash installed before, uninstalling flashplugin-nonfree probably won't remove it
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> or maybe it would, I don't know
[14:06] <Quintasan> grrr I can't make it build, if I want to build it I use qmake and then make and it creates a binary in rbutilqt, when using debuild it compiles lots of file and fails, log: http://wklej.org/id/49405/  debian/rules: http://wklej.org/id/49407/
[14:07] <rgreening> I don't have it installed and tried that JontheEchidna
[14:08] <rgreening> Im thinking the mime type "Shockwave" is something different
[14:08] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:09] <seele> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/02/06/100-beautiful-free-textures/
[14:09] <seele> that second picture looks like Riddell's sweater
[14:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: try using qmake-qt4 instead of qmake ?
[14:10] <Riddell> seele: hah, lovely :)
[14:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think I am back to porting the other patch...
[14:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I just need someone to help with kde3support qt3support and compilation
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> maybe you could use a little kDebug() to check if the mimetype's being detected properly or if there's a bug in the presentation of the window, etc
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> I could look in to that I suppose
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: could you pastebin the quilt patch?
[14:14] <rgreening> sure... JontheEchidna
[14:15] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/114712/
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> thx
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> while you're porting I can tinker
[14:16] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I need to integrate kdesu (forgot to). However, I never get a popup warning or anything, which means the plugin isn't being requested.
[14:16] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: install-package isn't being requested to run at all
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> :(
[14:17] <glatzor> Riddell, I am now arriving at the airport and have to stop working. I would like to fix the introspection before you upload. so uploading tomorrow would be fine.
[14:17] <glatzor> Riddell, see you!
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: hrm, Shockwave Flash should be the correct mime name
[14:19]  * JontheEchidna will investigate
[14:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail2000.swf
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> the konqueror "what to do with this file" dialog says as much, anyway
[14:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Try this site... http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[14:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: that works as expected... why?
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: oh, you mean that gave you a prompt?
[14:23] <rgreening> yes JontheEchidna
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> :o
[14:23] <rgreening> So, there are differences....
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> which site did it fail on?
[14:23] <rgreening> youtube, cnn, etc...
[14:24] <rgreening> they all seem to have handlers I guess
[14:24] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the question is can we bypass those?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> handlers?
[14:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: well, go to youtube and it has a box that says "you don't have flash"
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> meh
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> we could screen scrape the webpage :D
[14:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: feel free
[14:25]  * JontheEchidna hides
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> here's an idea
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> let's set the default homepage to badgersbadgersbadgers.com
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[14:30] <rgreening> haha
[14:30] <rgreening> we need a Jackalaupe version
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> I uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree but I still have flash
[14:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: rescan plugins
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> ah
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> brb
[14:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so technically, the patch works (with the kdesu exception and I can fix that). However, it's not feature complete and it would be nice to be able to not have to use install package and maybe instead just have it grab the deb and extract the plugin and install local
[14:36] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you see http://www.datenex.de/blog/archives/9-Would-you-like-fast-or-faster.html and are you using that option?
[14:37] <rgreening> reading...
[14:37] <rgreening> ScottK: oh... nice. will try that
[14:39]  * ScottK would like it faster.
[14:41] <rgreening> Qt 4.5.0 FTBFS. Here's the fix... http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt4-preview-feedback/2009-February/000406.html
[14:41] <Riddell> rgreening, ScottK: that sounds like the sort of things which is video driver dependant.  at least I'd look into why it's not the default from upstream before we turn it on in the archive
[14:41]  * Riddell wanders off to FOSDEM
[14:41] <rgreening> ScottK: I wonder if we can patch/add an environment setting to read :)
[14:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[14:41] <rgreening> Then you can turn it on/off at will
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: even without the patch, I get a prompt from konq at badgerbadger but not from youtube
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> just not the install-package-style prompt :P
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> I would deem this to be a kde4libs bug
[14:44] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: whats the patch say/do?
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: you mean the prompt?
[14:44] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: whats the prompt say/do?
[14:44] <rgreening> ya
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> It's the "no plugin found" one
[14:45] <rgreening> cause my patch says download from Ubuntu and it runs install-package. What the current thing do?
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> "do you want to download one from macromedia"
[14:45] <rgreening> right. and try it.
[14:45] <rgreening> not supported
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> it takes me to the macromedia page
[14:45] <rgreening> right
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> where I can download flash
[14:45] <rgreening> and does it say browser unsuported?
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> at badgerbadger?
[14:46] <rgreening> no, when you click
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> when I click download it takes me here:
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[14:47] <rgreening> really. hmm...
[14:47] <rgreening> ok, so not sure what to do then
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> well, your patch is a definite improvement anyway
[14:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I wish we could get it to do the same on the CNN/Youtube sites.
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> since when kdelibs *is* in the mood to detect flash, the user doesn't have to manually install
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: yeah, me too
[14:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: can you investigate a bit. I am going to patch Qt and re-upload
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:49] <rgreening> ty
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> y'know, if we end up going with webkit this patch wouldn't work anyways
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> maybe the patch could be applied to qtwebkit though?
[14:54] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: maybe. I also assume the user could switch between kits
[15:00] <rgreening> ScottK: I think we can patch Qt/KDE to check for the existance of an ENV var (i.e. QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM) and set it to empty by default. We can then edit it and try raster or opengl. See if there are issues and if none and looks good, we can set to raster (and the user can turn off if there are issues).
[15:01] <ScottK> Interesting.
[15:01] <rgreening> :)
[15:01] <rgreening> ScottK: I just tried opengl and konqueror craps out. raster seems fine though
[15:01] <ScottK> Cool
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: there's quite a difference between how badgerbadger and youtube embed flash
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/114740/
[15:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think the patch needs JavaScript and not just http URL detection.
[15:06] <rgreening> ScottK: I dont notice any speed improvements (nothing drastic anyway)
[15:07] <ScottK> OK, well it seems worth experimenting with.
[15:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I wonder.. try kdebugdialog and run konq to youtube and badger and compare. See if we can decipher why they are different
[15:28] <Tonio_> seele, rgreening: _StefanS_ said he would help, so I sent him to seele to get infos on the todo and improvements needed
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: select all?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> (in kdebugdialog)
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, just select konqueror
[15:34] <rgreening> Tonio_: ty
[15:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: sure
[15:35] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think the kparts and khtml are the most critical in debuggin though...
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think youtube is runing some javascript check and it's not getting picked up by as the page itself doesn't contain the swf, but gets loaded if the check passes. we'dhave to overcome that
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> ok, got output for badger
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I get the javascript flash check and no embed debug info
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> on youtube
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> "http://srv04.netjdn.com/~badgerb/badger.swf" "application/x-shockwave-flash" ("movie="http://srv04.netjdn.com/~badgerb/badger.swf"", "quality="high"", "__KHTML__PLUGINEMBED="YES"",
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: yeah, the methodology of this patch is probably insufficient to handle all cases
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> since it only notifies the user if there's an embed
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> what approach does the kde3 patch use?
[15:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll paste it for you.
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> I would still consider committing the prompt-on-embed patch
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> since when there is an embed it does work
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I think it probably just needs to be supplementd by another patch
[15:56] <ScottK> OTOH, "Works, but not for YouTube" will get classified as broken and useless by many.
[15:57] <ScottK> I agree some is better than none though.
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'd not advertise the functionality unless we could get youtube, etc working
[15:59] <ScottK> It does occur to me that if this is the best we could do, we could put up www.kubuntu.org/getflash with something we know will trigger it and point users at it.
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> true
[15:59] <jjesse> that seems like a good idea
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> maybe include a link on the konqueror default homepage
[16:00] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/114784/
[16:00] <ScottK> yea
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> damn, that looks like a whole application
[16:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: If you can make the above paste link (it compiles at least it did for 4.1.85) then we may have it complete
[16:02] <rgreening> TH eproblem is in adding the kde3support and qt3support to be properly linked.
[16:02] <rgreening> I couldn't get it to link
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> how much trouble would it be to get it not to need the *support libs?
[16:03] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: If you can port the kde3support stuff (I donot know enough to do so..). I ported as much as I could to KDE4/Qt4.
[16:04] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: better re-check my paste. I double pasted around line 1000 - 1020 or so. sry
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> I can't see where
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> So I take it the two approaches are incompatible with each other?
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they are
[16:10] <rgreening> yeah. One reads k-d-s /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq_plugins.xml to look for plugins to download. It's feature complete for all plugins instead of a hack for just flash. you just edit the k-d-s xml file listing plugins and locations.
[16:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:13] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: maybe ScottK or Riddell can help with the compilation/linking issue
[16:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll get the current flashonly patch to work with kdesu. We can submit it. It's better than nothing at this point. Also, this in combination with Riddell's planned update to update-notifier-kde to prompt to install kubuntu-restricted-extras, it will be covered somewhat.
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> yup, then we can do the kubuntu.org/getflash page if need be
[16:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ya. It would be nice to have konq default to a Kubuntu Start page (if it's is online) like IE does (sort of a first load thing). Dunno if that's easy/doable/wanted,
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> all three
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> we were planning on changing it anyway
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> since the current start page is geared towards file management
[16:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, if you can look at that. I'll get this patch done
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> ok
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> mainly it's somebody creating a webpage and putting it in kubuntu-default-settings
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> then patching the rc file to load that as the default homepage]
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> then we'd need to link to a page with a simple flash embed
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> maybe a Kubuntu logo with "Your flash works" under it
[16:25] <rgreening> Who can create suitable flash (the doc team or artwork team)?
[16:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: what about if the user isn't online.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> well, we couldn't distribute the flash file naturally
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> since it's a binary proprietary format
[16:31] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no, I mean the web page. If it's not online, it couldn't go to a web page (unless it's installed locally)
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> the homepage would be installed in k-d-s
[16:31] <rgreening> ok, so local. got it. excellent
[16:32] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I just uploaded the kde4libs update to my PPA. If it builds, then we can submit the patch.
[16:32] <rgreening> ScottK: I'll need a sponsor for the kde4libs plugn patch ^
[16:32] <ScottK> rgreening: I doubt I can help on that one.
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> coolness
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: can you repaste the ported patch? I can't get this one to apply, I probably did something wrong
[16:33] <rgreening> ScottK: will you be able to sponsor above when I complete?
[16:33] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: can I email it
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, better
[16:34] <rgreening> what addy
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> echidnaman at kubuntu
[16:34] <rgreening> k
[16:37] <ScottK> Not for several hours
[16:37] <rgreening> sent. let me know when you get
[16:37] <rgreening> JontheEchidna:  ^
[16:37] <rgreening> ScottK: that's ok. Jus tneed to know I got a sponsor :)
[16:38] <rgreening> ok, qt rc1 up and building. kde4libs up and building.... NEXT! :P
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> you sent it to kubuntu.org, right?
[16:38] <rgreening> yus
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> still haven't got it
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> there we go
[16:39]  * ScottK just agreed to do a postfix server setup and then discovered it's a Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS/he's not sure box.
[16:39] <rgreening> when you save the patch, rename it :)
[16:39] <ScottK> So I have some googling to do.
[16:39] <rgreening> RPMH377
[16:39]  * ScottK never admin'ed a rpm based box.
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: what's with the .pluginwizard extension?
[16:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: rename it (see my comment abve)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, lol
[16:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have two patches (th flashonly and ht eplugin wizerd - both with the same name)
[16:40] <rgreening> so I added an ext to remember which
[16:40] <ScottK> yum install apt works.
[16:41] <rgreening> Is there a kde fronte-ned to yuk? If not, you can make one called yuK
[16:41] <rgreening> yum yuK
[16:41] <rgreening> doh, spilt my joke in typos
[16:42] <rgreening> * slap *
[16:45] <rgreening> ScottK: just looking at latest updates. mysql-server-data-5.1 wants to be removed. Wasn't that a requirement for amarok?
[16:45] <rgreening> ScottK: I guess they fixed to use 5.0 huh
[16:50] <ScottK> rgreening: No.  To get Amarok into Main, Riddell had to embedd all of the needed mysql 5.1 bits into the Amarok package.
[16:50] <ScottK> Ubuntu Security isn't going to support two full up Mysql versions in Main.
[16:50] <rgreening> ScottK: ouch
[16:50] <ScottK> So it's no longer needed because it's stuffed inside the package.
[16:50] <rgreening> and Yuk
[16:50] <ScottK> yep.
[16:51] <rgreening> lol
[16:51] <rgreening> so we get the pain in amarok
[16:51] <ScottK> So it turns out that it's a FC7 box, which is not particularly current.
[16:52] <ScottK> I played the "If you get a more current box, you pay me less to stuff new, unpackaged stuff in there"
[16:52] <ScottK> .... card
[16:52] <ScottK> So he's asking if his provider supports Ubuntu Server for me.
[16:52] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: q3buttongroup shouldn't be too hard to port at least :P
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> the other stuff might be a bit iffy for my skillz
[16:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ya. though, I think our best bet is compile it and get it linking for now.
[16:55] <rgreening> the compile works. the linking I do not know where I messed up
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> well there I'm totally clueless, lol
[16:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: use your motu skillz and see if you can find some halp :)
[16:55] <rgreening> heh
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> all KDE and CMake type doods would be in here already
[16:57] <rgreening> this should just be a linking/cmake question. whos a good cmake/linker? Riddell?
[16:57] <ScottK> Maybe Tonio_, but he's likely the same place Riddell is.
[16:59] <rgreening> Tonio_: you around?
[16:59] <Tonio_> yeah ?
[17:00] <rgreening> I have a linking issue with kde3support and qt3support for a patch to kde4libs.
[17:00] <rgreening> Tonio_: can oyu assist JontheEchidna and I in getting it to build?
[17:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have to step out. Can you provide Tonio_ the details? ty
[17:03]  * JontheEchidna hasn't actually encountered the linking error
[17:03] <Tonio_> rgreening: really, I can't right now.....
[17:03] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have 8 builds running here and a documentation to write...
[17:03] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: this we I can help
[17:22] <tvakah> so I had to kill kwin and disable effects without it running to even be able to start a kde session after today's jaunty upgrades (nvidia 180 driver yay.... boom)
[17:23] <tvakah> any known resolution / workaround? or just another "wait and pray" situation?
[17:23] <tvakah> compiz also has the same problem, so it's not kde-specific as far as I can tell
[17:24] <tvakah> in either case, the Xorg process winds up consuming 60% cpu while the wm consumes 30% and nothing happens visually
[17:24] <tvakah> until killed
[17:24] <tvakah> everything was working last night, seems to have been something in this morning's upgrades for me
[18:00] <tvakah> sooo, kwin's working just peachy for all you other jaunty+nvidia users out there?
[18:03] <khashayar> Hi folks, I've been thinking of switching to a KDE desktop come Jaunty, so I've been trying out alpha-3 and alpha-4. Whenever I log in (on a fresh install), there's an akonadi crash (after some form of self test), but I can't find a bug report on it. Is this known?
[18:04] <khashayar> I'm asking because it seems to me there should already be a bug report, as it's triggered by simply logging in on a fresh install :-/
[18:04] <ScottK> khashayar: Only if it happens for everyone.   I haven't heard of this.  Please file a bug.
[18:05] <khashayar> ScottK: Alright, just wanted to make sure. The one thing that might be different in my installation compared to most others, is that I enabled encrypted home.
[18:05] <khashayar> Anyway, I'll file a bug about that as soon as I find the time.
[18:06] <ScottK> I know there are encrypted home issues in Jaunty currently.
[18:06]  * ScottK doesn't recall the details.
[18:06] <ScottK> Please do as we want that to work.
[18:06] <khashayar> I see.
[18:06] <khashayar> Will do.
[18:07]  * khashayar reboots to kubuntu :-)
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I just have one k3vbox and one k3listview to get rid of
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> assuming all my changes compile ;-P
[18:13] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: OMFG cool
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/KDE4PORTING.html
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/porting4.html
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> very handy
[18:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I tried those, but had issues when I used their suggestions.
[18:37] <rgreening> :)
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> two more q3vboxes to change over to qwidgets + vertical layouts
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> then I get to see if it compiles, lol
[18:47] <rgreening> who da man... you da man JontheEchidna
[18:48] <rbrunhuber> I just had an kernel oops and tried to report the problem with apport but it tells me my kernel is not a genuine ubuntu package?!
[18:48] <rgreening> haha
[18:48] <rgreening> oh my
[18:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kde4libs built.. just need ot test the patch
[18:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kde4libs flash patch (interim) works at least.
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> q3vbox is dead
[18:54] <rgreening> cool
[18:55] <martijn81> when will there be a backport of ktorrent in intrepid?
[18:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the current patch needs to do two things 1) update plugins and 2) refresh somehow. Otherwise you keep getting the download prompt.
[18:56] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: and manually scanning and refreshing the page didn't work.
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> lol:
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> Warning: trailing whitespace in lines 28,41,67,73,89,94,97,101,116,135,165,166,189,190,205,229,237,241,244,250,258,259,297,298,390,392,413,419,421,450,452,463,465,481,488,501,515,526,531,549,571,575,581,613,622,623,627,628,652 of khtml/misc/knsplugininstaller.cpp
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> v.v
[19:06] <martijn81> ktorrent 3.2 will come out in 1.3 weeks
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> martijn81: would you happen to know which version of KDE it needs?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> I'm sure if somebody wanted to they could backport it to the kubuntu-experimental ppa, but there wouldn't be anything in the way of an official backport until KDE 4.2 is backported, if Ktorrent 3.2 depends on KDE 4.2
[19:17] <martijn81> JontheEchidna: i think it depends on at least KDE 4.1.3, as automoc is needed
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: does kpackagekit care about unsigned packages?
[19:18] <ScottK> Nope.  It'll install or not.
[19:18] <ScottK> Doesn't care.
[19:18] <ScottK> Adept is the same.
[19:18] <ScottK> Total insanity.
[19:19] <ScottK> Adept2 you could at least see the warning scroll by if you cared to.
[19:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: trailing whitespace you must have copy/pasted thepatch.
[19:19] <ScottK> Adpet3 doesn't even have that.
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: nah, I saved it directly from your email
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> lmao:
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> [14:19:37] <yao_ziyuan> i know now: kde is created by a german, and germans are nazis
[19:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: weird
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: yeah, just random editing mistakes that lead to whitespace
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> a space or two after a comment here and there
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> forgetting to backspace after pressing enter in kate
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> (you can tell kate to automatically remove whitespace though)
[19:21] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: vi the file and do a search/replace with s/ for the ws
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> that won't take care of the 1-spacers
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> because that's what I do with multiple-space whitespace in kate using its replace function
[19:22]  * JontheEchidna is debuilding kde4libs with the patch now
[19:22] <rgreening> s/\s+$//g or something (is lower s ws or S?)
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: how far along is khtml in the build?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> percentage wise
[19:24]  * JontheEchidna wants to know if he can go and do something for a while before khtml fails for him
[19:24] <rgreening> 20+ min maybe
[19:25]  * JontheEchidna turns compositing off for extra speed
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: want a copy of the new patch?
[19:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: I've tried changing qmake to qmake-qt4 -makefile, still have compile errors :/
[19:38] <Quintasan> nvm I'm giving up for now :S
[19:41] <martijn81> is there a kpackagekit debian package for intreoid available?
[19:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: sure
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: email?
[19:49] <rgreening> reply to mine
[19:49] <rgreening> :)
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, duh
[19:49] <rgreening> lol
[19:49] <rgreening> bwahah
[19:50] <rgreening> I really hate VMS.
[19:50] <rgreening> been on with HP tech support for hours... stoopid server
[19:51] <lex79> JontheEchidna, rgreening: see this video http://pollycoke.net/2009/02/06/windows-7-o-kde-4-boh-ma-conclusione-azzeccata/
[19:51] <lex79> :P
[19:51] <rgreening> on the plus side, qt4.5.0 rc1 is built on amd and building for lpia/i386
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: sent
[19:51] <smarter> rgreening: \o/
[19:51] <smarter> rgreening: tested it yet?
[19:56] <rgreening> smarter: no,  i have x86. amd is built if you have on and want to install from my ppa
[19:57] <smarter> I would, but need my computer to work atm :p
[20:02] <rgreening> live dangerously
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: are any of my changes to the patch too insane?
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: well, html_objectimpl.cpp compiled so I guess that's a good sign
[21:26] <markey> gnite*
[21:27] <Lure> you have ppa with qt4.5rc1?
[21:27] <Lure> rgreening: ^^^
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa
[21:30] <smarter> https://launchpad.net/bugs/326061 wow
[21:30] <Lure> JontheEchidna: thanks, will bite the bullet ;-)
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> /home/jonathan/ubuntu/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.2.0/khtml/misc/knsplugininstaller.cpp:45:25: error: qlistwidgte.h: No such file or directory
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:50] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, that's a lovely typo
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, heh
[21:51] <NCommander> is that upstream, or?
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> mine
[21:52] <NCommander> Good, at least I don't need to worry about it
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> One thing about C++, I miss the forced syntax formatting python... enforces :P
[21:53] <NCommander> heh
[21:53] <NCommander> Yes
[22:06] <ScottK> NCommander: Did you see we have Kubuntu armel images now?
[22:07] <NCommander> Yup
[22:07] <NCommander> SOmeone needs to test them
[22:08]  * ScottK looks for someone with new enough armel hardware ....
[22:08] <ScottK> We have lpia too.  Got a tester for that.
[22:16] <ScottK> I'd be great if someone with time (not me) could investigate http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/kdevelop4-beta1-kubuntu-packages-problems/ so we minimize the amount of time "Kubutu is crap" is on the front page.
[22:16] <ScottK> I'd/It'd
[22:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: I don't even have New Project :<
[22:33] <Quintasan> I also don't recive any errors
[22:50]  * ScottK hasn't tried it.
[22:50]  * ScottK is heartily wishing he had work that had no customers
[22:51] <astromme> Quintasan: That seems to be a problem with loading the plugins. Where is it installed?
[22:52] <Quintasan> astromme: nvm, just installed kdevplatform
[22:52] <astromme> and that fixed it?
[22:52] <ScottK> NCommander: What armel think can I buy that has a new enough processor for our armel?
[22:52] <astromme> Because kdevplatform _should_ be a dep of kdevelop.
[22:52] <Quintasan> I have New Project with C++ templates
[22:52] <Quintasan> astromme: I wasnt pulled by aptitude
[22:52] <astromme> Quintasan: so the fix was to install KDevplatform?
[22:52] <ScottK> That's simple enough I can look into that.
[22:52] <NCommander> an N810, although its not an supported platform, nor is itlikely going to be for Jaunty
[22:53] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:53] <astromme> Can I get somone to confirm it? I'm not on Kubuntu atm.
[22:53] <Quintasan> astromme: yes
[22:53] <NCommander> ScottK, it will require some voodoo to get setup (I just got one myself)
[22:53] <ScottK> NCommander: If it works, I'll be happy.
[22:53] <ScottK> NCommander: Let me know....
[22:53] <NCommander> ScottK, alternately, use the QEMU-system-arm emulator ;-)
[22:53] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm wanting an actual device to replace my current Palm OS device.
[22:54] <NCommander> The N810 is very sexy
[22:54] <astromme> I'm a fan of it
[22:54] <NCommander> Its webbrowser is a stripped down Firefox, and I can render everything without any issues
[22:54] <NCommander> Also onboard GPS and bluetooth
[22:54] <astromme> and it does have the palm vm
[22:54] <NCommander> Linux based (on mojo, but meh :-P)
[22:54] <NCommander> It has a palm vm?!
[22:55] <astromme> of course.   Thanks.
[23:12] <astromme> Yeah, it's amazing how a little outside effort in triaging can be the difference between a simple fix and a headache.
[23:14]  * ScottK is a great packaging monkey.  Tell me what needs fixing and I can figure out how to stuff it in the archive.  Figuring out what needs fixing, not so much.
[23:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: I think it comes with experience :P
[23:16] <ScottK> Well the thing is, I'm a generalist.  I do a lot of work on Kubuntu, but also on server stuff and general MOTU work.
[23:16] <ScottK> The insides of KDE I know little about.
[23:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm trying to do some packaging but it seems I pick most difficult ones :D
[23:19] <ScottK> Of course.
[23:24] <astromme> I futzed around with some packaging attemps a year or two back, never got the hang of it
[23:25] <ScottK> It's not so hard, you just have to stick with it enough to get a critical mass of knowledge.
[23:25] <astromme> What's interesting is that I latched onto KDE/Qt programming immediately, and even though it took a long time to be comfortable with it I enjoyed it from the start and it was easy to keep on plugging along.
[23:25] <ScottK> If you find/write patches for bug fixes, we can get them uploaded ...
[23:26] <astromme> So I guess what I'm saying is, kudos for knowing enough to make it maybe not pleasurable but at least doable and in some cases enjoyable. I know that comes from sticking to it, working on it
[23:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:34] <ScottK> We do have stuff that involves KDE/Qt programming that needs doing too.
[23:35] <astromme> ScottK: I do have a lot of things on my plate atm, but out of curiosity, what in particular?
[23:35]  * ScottK tries to remember where the list is.
[23:36] <ScottK> Some of it is here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis
[23:37] <ScottK> I know the firewall gui isn't going to get done.
[23:40] <astromme> Ok. Most of the links there seem to have people attached to them?
[23:42] <astromme> is the guest session accessable from KDM/GDM? Is it "persistant" or does it provide a clean slate on each login?
[23:43] <Quintasan> hmm I've installed libsane-dev which is required to build kscannerbuttons, should I add it to debian/control or somewhere else?
[23:51] <ScottK> Add it as a build-dep in debian/control
[23:51] <ScottK> astromme: True, but I'm not sure all of them are going to get done.


[04:15] <hads> Hmfph. GNOME3 appears to have lost the ability to associate a program with a file type that isn't already listed in the applications list.
[04:26] <hads> Looks like I need to create a desktop file and register it etc. Average.
[19:01] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:13] <chilts> morning
[20:12] <mwhudson> morning
[21:51] <ojwb> morning
[22:47] <ojwb> so it was windy enough last night to blow a flax plant over
[22:47] <ojwb> admittedly one I planted at the weekend, but still
[22:55] <chilts> lovely enough today though :)
[22:55] <ojwb> yeah
[23:14] <Atamira> afternoon


[02:41] <troy_s> hello pingunz.
[02:41] <troy_s> how are you doing?
[02:42] <PingunZ> fine :)
[02:42] <PingunZ> you ?
[02:49] <troy_s> Good thanks.
[02:49] <troy_s> Frank says you have been quite busy.
[02:49] <PingunZ> With what ?
[02:49] <troy_s> Ubuntu Art involvement.
[02:50] <PingunZ> And more specific ?
[02:50] <troy_s> No, he wasn't.
[02:50] <PingunZ> Cause I wasn't that busy IMO.
[02:56] <PingunZ> troy_s: I saw your new GDM / splash mockups. They look nice ( a bit too dark IMO), I'd like to make them once they revised a little :)
[02:56] <PingunZ> I like the general idea of a face-browser.
[02:56] <troy_s> the dark is actually the default dapper wallpaper
[02:57] <troy_s> yes, but by default a face browser has been declined.
[02:57] <PingunZ> Why is that ?
[02:57] <troy_s> i will be uploading the 2ndary palette shortly
[02:57] <troy_s> once i get it into gpl format
[02:57] <troy_s> because of security reasons
[02:57] <troy_s> it is better for workstations to be configured for use with non face browsing.
[02:58] <PingunZ> troy_s: A face browser still requires a password ..
[02:58] <PingunZ> so it is safe
[02:58] <PingunZ> IMO :)
[02:58] <troy_s> not exactly
[02:58] <troy_s> knowing what to logon as eliminates exactly 50% of the security effort.
[02:58] <troy_s> and you can't rely on users passwords to be secure
[02:59] <troy_s> which is why there has been plenty of discussion regarding that.
[02:59] <PingunZ> Hmm
[02:59] <PingunZ> I understand :)
[02:59] <troy_s> indeed.
[02:59] <troy_s> face browsers are to be optional
[02:59] <troy_s> but again, that takes more xml work etc.
[02:59] <troy_s> and i simply don' thave the time to accomodate anything except the default install look/feel
[02:59] <PingunZ> yes, but it looks very nice
[03:00] <troy_s> true, but i don't have the time to create two.
[03:00] <PingunZ> hehe :)
[03:00] <troy_s> i just updated the source files there
[03:00] <PingunZ> I'll try to create one, I have some spare time
[03:00] <troy_s> at the troy_s page below the primary
[03:00] <PingunZ> and a little GDM-experience
[03:00] <troy_s> they are quite easy, but my time is very limited.
[03:02] <PingunZ> troy_s: once the buttons are finished I would like to make that GDM.
[03:02] <PingunZ> If that is ok to you ?
[03:02] <troy_s> completely fine, in fact
[03:02] <troy_s> i encourage you to take the work and build on it
[03:02] <troy_s> it is what we are seeking to develop in the art community currenlty
[03:02] <PingunZ> I warn you, I'm un-experienced :)
[03:03] <troy_s> blah
[03:03] <troy_s> no harm in trying!
[03:03] <troy_s> we have been trying _Very_ hard to build a collaborative structure
[03:03] <troy_s> file formats and such get in the way, but I think we are making headway
[03:03] <troy_s> send me your work via email, i would love to see it
[03:03] <troy_s> and provide a face browser as an alternative
[03:03] <PingunZ> yes, but you still have a big way to go
[03:03] <troy_s> just give me your work with the temp buttons in or whatever
[03:04] <troy_s> actually the gdm is quite easy to finish button wise
[03:04] <troy_s> the collaboration factor will take more cycles to develop
[03:04] <troy_s> and for people to understand
[03:04] <troy_s> which is why it is important that if you can, try contributing.
[03:04] <troy_s> base your work on the AiC's guidance
[03:04] <PingunZ> AiC ?
[03:04] <troy_s> and simply derive what you can at your given pace /leve
[03:04] <troy_s> level
[03:04] <troy_s> artist in chief
[03:04] <troy_s> frank scheop
[03:05] <PingunZ> I know him ;)
[03:05] <troy_s> Indeed.
[03:05] <troy_s> He has done _amazing_ structural work this term.
[03:05] <troy_s> I hope he will be back for a 2nd.
[03:05] <PingunZ> I havent seen him in a while ..
[03:05] <troy_s> he is _very_ busy right now
[03:05] <troy_s> deadlines are approaching fast
[03:06] <troy_s> so we really need a full body of work in.
[03:06] <troy_s> quickly.
[03:06] <troy_s> i will try to get another palette out
[03:06] <troy_s> and that might be the extent of my effort for this weekend.
[03:06] <troy_s> the lighter palette is
[03:06] <troy_s> similar to some of the things that were gathered on the summary page
[03:07] <PingunZ> The lighter palette is for the gdm, .. ?
[03:07] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006
[03:07] <troy_s> for all of them
[03:07] <troy_s> wall_02_troy
[03:07] <troy_s> is close to it.
[03:07] <troy_s> same design
[03:07] <troy_s> but different palette
[03:07] <troy_s> anyways, good luck
[03:07] <troy_s> i look forward to anything you can manage
[03:08] <troy_s> thanks pingunz.
[03:08] <PingunZ> Well I'll need xara for that
[03:08] <PingunZ> but my apt-get is broken atm :p
[03:08] <troy_s> Eek.
[03:08] <troy_s> You on a 32 bit system?
[03:08] <troy_s> if so, you don't need apt
[03:09] <troy_s> just go to www.xaraextreme.org
[03:09] <troy_s> download the tarball
[03:09] <troy_s> and run the binary
[03:09] <troy_s> should work out of box
[03:09] <PingunZ> ok :)
[03:09] <troy_s> it is a very powerful program
[03:09] <troy_s> i love it... and svg support is coming into the stream during this development cycle.
[03:16] <troy_s> ls
[03:27] <troy_s> Greetings Madpilot
[03:27] <Madpilot> hi troy_s
[03:28] <troy_s> How have things been with you?
[03:28] <Madpilot> busy as heck
[03:28] <troy_s> Understatement of the year award.
[03:29] <troy_s> ;)
[03:29] <Madpilot> heh. Some nice Edgy art coming in - wish I had time to do more than lurk on the artwork IRC channel ;)
[03:30] <troy_s> hey mad
[03:30] <troy_s> i just wanted to say
[03:30] <troy_s> your cthulubuntu was awsome!
[03:30] <troy_s> i loved it.
[03:30] <troy_s> made me laugh my ass off.
[03:30] <troy_s> it was sooooo coincidental because i was considering doing a halloween / april 1 set
[03:30] <troy_s> with that sort of approach
[03:31] <troy_s> Madpilot: do you think you could post your cthulubuntu lsplash to the artwork wiki?
[03:31] <troy_s> I really thought it was hilarious.
[03:31] <Madpilot> I could. Maybe I'll turn it into a proper theme set one of these days ;)
[03:31] <Madpilot> Green ooze, tentacles & eyeballs
[03:32] <troy_s> or something along those lines.
[02:52] <alex_joni> hello, I want to build a custom artwork package for dapper. is there any stuff to start from ?
[03:00] <alex_joni> can I simply make a deb that replaces the standard png's? (I am thinking about desktop background, splash screen etc.)
[03:31] <kwwii> take the ubuntu-artwork package and modify the pngs in it
[03:31] <kwwii> or for kubuntu, take the kubuntu-default-settings package and do the same
[03:31] <kwwii> note that some of the pics are not in either of those packages though, so to do it 100% there is more work to it
[03:36] <alex_joni> kwwii: thanks, however I am only trying to change the default background. Can I make a simple deb (I know how), and alter /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml ?
[03:38] <alex_joni> kwwii: the only thing I'm concearned is: does that file get restored when I remove my package?
[03:46] <kwwii> alex_joni: not sure...I would guess that it will leave the changes from your package or create some kind of error
[03:49] <kwwii> to be honest, I know very little about packaging for gnome
[03:53] <kwwii> looks like I have to exchange my powerbook battery :-(
[04:03] <PingunZ> ping troy_s
[04:05] <PingunZ> brb ( trying to make a skydome image )
[04:20] <PingunZ> cool, I made a skydome :)
[04:51] <troy_s> Go PingunZ
[04:51] <troy_s> msikma you in?
[04:53] <PingunZ> troy_s: I have problem with XaraXL, I'll install it in dapper tomorrow.
[04:53] <PingunZ> Or this evening
[04:56] <troy_s> what is the problem you are having?
[04:56] <troy_s> pingunz
[04:57] <PingunZ> well, I have it installed but I get an error when I open it
[04:57] <troy_s> what is the error?
[04:58] <troy_s> All you should need to do is download the file, extract it using tar / archiver
[04:58] <PingunZ> Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 50 : incomplete entry ignored.
[04:58] <PingunZ> I have it installed with apt-get
[04:58] <troy_s> Ok so let's try stepping you through it.
[04:58] <troy_s> Try downloading .7
[04:58] <troy_s> from xaraextreme.org
[04:59] <troy_s> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download/
[04:59] <troy_s> Tell me when you have done this
[05:01] <PingunZ> ok troy_s, brb
[05:03] <troy_s> the steps are on that page... you should be ok
[05:03] <troy_s> just extract it and try running the binary in the xaralx/bin directory
[05:25] <PingunZ> k I'm back, I'll try to install it that way
[05:25] <PingunZ> I had serious troubles with edgy yesterday
[05:26] <PingunZ> troy_s: What exactly is so good about XaraXL ?
[05:27] <troy_s> You would need to try it.
[05:27] <troy_s> Inkscape is a wonderful program
[05:27] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[05:27] <troy_s> But Xara already has feathering and blurs
[05:27] <troy_s> etc.
[05:27] <troy_s> It is also a darn fast rendering engine
[05:27] <PingunZ> I haven't found the time to get used to inkscape yet.
[05:27] <troy_s> Inkscape's performance is a bit laggy when you get into slightly complicated images.
[05:28] <PingunZ> hmm, how can I install .package files ?
[05:33] <PingunZ> cool, that's a nice install way :)
[05:34] <PingunZ> ok, I have xara now, troy_s
[05:34] <troy_s> Did you unzip it?
[05:34] <troy_s> Even better, you get every version as it pumps out
[05:34] <troy_s> Because it is developing _deadly_ fast.
[05:34] <troy_s> SVG is right around the corner.
[05:34] <PingunZ> Nice :)
[05:35] <troy_s> It really is an impressive program.
[05:35] <troy_s> Having used Illustrator and such, it has many legs up -- like the realtime grading etc.
[05:36] <troy_s> Watch their videos
[05:36] <PingunZ> It looks a lot like inkscape
[05:36] <troy_s> Sort of...
[05:36] <troy_s> Inkscape has some great features.
[05:36] <troy_s> And I do like it a lot.
[05:36] <troy_s> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/about/movies.html
[05:37] <troy_s> There are a few aboslute beginner guides there
[05:37] <troy_s> To get your started
[05:37] <troy_s> Check the file sizes on complicated drawings and you will see another pretty remarkable side of vector illustration
[05:38] <PingunZ> The gdm doesnt seem to have such a nice font as on the screenshots
[05:39] <PingunZ> And how can I edit layers ?
[05:39] <troy_s> The font is bound to your local fonts
[05:39] <PingunZ> In inkscape I was just able to click and resize things.
[05:39] <troy_s> So to start,
[05:39] <troy_s> you will need to install the ubuntu title font from the repositories.
[05:40] <troy_s> to access the layers
[05:40] <troy_s> open up the layers dialog
[05:40] <troy_s> you can lock and unlock the layers so some of them are probably set to not be selectable
[05:40] <PingunZ> ah ok :)
[05:40] <troy_s> also note that some of the layers are complicated versions grouped
[05:40] <troy_s> so you may need to ungroup etc...
[05:41] <troy_s> both palettes are going to change to rgb when i get a second to convert them... the cmyk's are quite a way off for display purposes.
[05:42] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[05:43] <PingunZ> I'll have to get the ubuntu-title font
[05:43] <PingunZ> Do you know its package name ?
[05:44] <troy_s> yes... hold on.
[05:44] <troy_s> you know about apt-cache search functionality?
[05:44] <troy_s> ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:45] <troy_s> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:45] <troy_s> apt-cache search ubuntu title
[05:45] <troy_s> would give you the package in a beat
[05:46] <PingunZ> Sorry :) I forget that function sometimes -_-
[05:46] <troy_s> Tis' ok.
[05:46] <troy_s> It is a pretty impressive program to consider that it hasn't even hit .1 yet.
[05:46] <troy_s> Rather 1.0
[05:47] <troy_s> And it has more than enough functionality to make it an amazingly powerful tool.
[05:54] <PingunZ> hmm it crashed :p
[05:56] <PingunZ> troy_s: I suggest you send me the .png's once finished ( including icons ). And then I'll try to make a GDM of it. Ok ?
[05:57] <troy_s> Weird...
[05:57] <troy_s> Did you download the recommended version?
[05:57] <troy_s> Because the development version is rather unstable.
[06:02] <troy_s> And PingunZ -- you can use the export feature to export the layers into PNGs or whatever you like.
[06:02] <troy_s> Third tab on the export page.
[06:33] <PingunZ> troy_s: the program crashes when I try to export ;)
[06:34] <troy_s> Yes, export is the most heavily developed
[06:34] <troy_s> There is a simple trick though
[06:34] <troy_s> Choose your export to png
[06:34] <troy_s> then make sure that you _wait_ until it has finished rendering
[06:34] <troy_s> Click preview and _wait_
[06:34] <troy_s> then export
[06:34] <troy_s> it works fine if you wait on the rendering to finish.
[06:41] <PingunZ> troy_s: are you on edgy too ?
[06:41] <troy_s> No... I need stability.
[06:41] <troy_s> So I work in Dapper
[06:43] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'll try again :)
[06:44] <PingunZ> but I'm pretty sure its going to crash again. :)
[06:46] <PingunZ> It worked :)
[06:47] <PingunZ> I have extracted the background.png
[06:47] <PingunZ> now the logo, then the browser
[06:47] <PingunZ> and then I can start ' coding ' :)
[06:48] <troy_s> Nice.
[06:48] <troy_s> I have been using a skeleton if you want it...
[06:49] <PingunZ> skeleton ?
[06:49] <PingunZ> ( I'm very new to this so please don't blame me for my stupid questions :) )
[06:54] <troy_s> Just a basic xml layout, but I am sure you will do fine...
[06:54] <PingunZ> Ok, browser and logo are exported.
[06:55] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'm thinking of writing one from scratch :)
[06:55] <troy_s> Wow... that would be quite good.
[06:55] <PingunZ> troy_s: maybe I'll base it on the Relaxing of gnome-look
[06:56] <troy_s> I encourage you to do what you like... I only based the central looking GDM on some suggestions...  Haven't quite decided on the final design really.
[06:56] <PingunZ> Is it legal to modify a current one that is GPL ?
[06:57] <troy_s> You might want to read the GPL :)
[06:57] <troy_s> It is quite an important document.
[06:57] <PingunZ> Well, I'll make a current one based on the Relaxing theme. Once the theme gets more comments/modifications I'll write one from scratch :)
[06:57] <PingunZ> What exatcly is a GPL ?
[06:57] <troy_s> www.fsf.org
[06:58] <troy_s> It is an acronym that stands for the "Gnu Public License Agreement"
[06:58] <troy_s> It is very important, so I encourage you to read it.  It involves critical freedoms and rights that many of us take for granted in a 'democratic' society.
[07:00] <PingunZ> Is it a long text ? And is every GPL license the same ?
[07:04] <troy_s> The current version is in the 2 class... Version 3 is being drafted and is subject to a lot of debate discussion.
[07:04] <troy_s> You should have little problem understanding it.
[07:05] <troy_s> If you want to understand more about the importance of free software -- I encourage you to read http://www.gnupress.org/book13.html
[07:06] <troy_s> You can download and share it legally, and buy it if you like to support the FSF.
[07:10] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'm not going to read the text now, I'll do it later. Once I have the time :)
[07:10] <PingunZ> And courage :)
[07:11] <PingunZ> troy_s: Am I allowed to edit the ' browser ' in your GDM ? and slightly edit the background ?
[07:12] <troy_s> Of course
[07:12] <troy_s> Do whatever you like.
[07:14] <PingunZ> I'll make a few mockups and show them to you :)
[07:14] <PingunZ> !ping msikma
[07:25] <PingunZ> I'll be idle for a while, I'm on my laptop. ( editing troy 's work ).
[07:43] <PingunZ> troy_s: can you mail me the logo and the browser ( with transparant background ). I didn't export them right..
[07:43] <PingunZ> I'll be out for dinner meanwhile.
[08:20] <PingunZ> !ping troy_s again ( read what I said above )
[08:20] <troy_s> Hello?
[08:20] <troy_s> Just about finished up on the first pass of the gdm
[08:20] <troy_s> Busy here with a little girl :)
[08:20] <PingunZ> oh :)
[08:21] <PingunZ> Well mail it to me when you're done :)
[08:22] <troy_s> If you want transparency
[08:22] <troy_s> you must export the image as a true colour with alpha channel
[08:22] <PingunZ> oh
[08:22] <troy_s> and all of your layers in question must NOT be under the 'background' heading
[08:22] <troy_s> that will probably solve your problem.
[08:28] <PingunZ> troy, I made a really nice picture with my camer. If you want it, you can use it for a wallpaper/some other art.
[08:29] <PingunZ> http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5880/deskyfo5.png
[08:29] <PingunZ> I have the pic in 10 MP so the size isnt a problem :)
[10:16] <PingunZ_> !ping troy_s
[10:16] <troy_s> go pingunz
[10:16] <troy_s> just heading out the door.
[10:17] <PingunZ_> I made the mockup
[10:17] <PingunZ_> I'm uploading it
[10:18] <PingunZ_> http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7705/backgroundcopyjw4.png
[10:18] <troy_s> you have a screener of it?
[10:18] <troy_s> did you get a working xml base yet?
[10:18] <PingunZ_> No
[10:18] <PingunZ_> I first need to know how the GDM should look like
[10:18] <PingunZ_> Then I start.
[10:19] <PingunZ_> You like my screenie ?
[10:20] <troy_s> Well it's yours so make it how you want to make it.
[10:20] <troy_s> I suggest following Franks guidelines if you want someone to consider it.
[10:20] <PingunZ_> troy_s: It's just a modified version of yours..
[10:21] <troy_s> I am about to upload the generated buttons etc.
[10:21] <troy_s> Finished up the darker palette version.
[10:21] <PingunZ_> ok
[10:22] <PingunZ_> hey, I'm going to turn of my laptop, brb
[10:22] <PingunZ> tadam :)
[10:23] <troy_s> There... uploaded the newer summary and the updated gdm.
[10:23] <troy_s> xarball.
[10:24] <troy_s> off for a business meeting
[10:24] <troy_s> back later.
[10:25] <troy_s> msikma -- any luck with the metacity palette?
[10:25] <troy_s> slash tweaks etc.
[10:25] <msikma> Hi troy_s. I'm busy with something right now, but I've done some work earlier. I still want to work on it more.
[10:28] <troy_s> Awsome
[10:28] <troy_s> Great to hear.
[10:28] <troy_s> Email me when you have some screenshots or something, I would love to see them.
[11:40] <PingunZ> ping msikma
[11:41] <msikma> Hi PingunZ.
[11:42] <PingunZ> msikma: you sent me the GTK-theme mockups yesterday. I'm afraid I lost them.
[11:43] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/michielgtk14.png
[11:43] <PingunZ> ok :)
[11:44] <PingunZ> I'll work on it tomorrow
[11:52] <msikma> troy_s: I'm sorry I couldn't show you anything today. I'm leaving right now. I got called to do some work and got kind of sidetracked with other stuff from there, so I haven't done much so far. But I'll show you tomorrow.
[11:53] <msikma> Bye