[03:47] <LjL> ubuntu_: i don't know if you can create users with the LiveCD... but if you want, do "adduser ljl", follow the instructions, choose a password, tell me that password in a query, and i'll try to fix that for you. if you trust me enough and/or you don't have too many personal data, of course
[03:47] <FR500> hello
[03:47] <ubuntu_> I got to thanks in advance for your patience before I forgot
[03:47] <LjL> mustard5: just to access the data, i suppose
[03:47] <FR500> does anyone use a hp scanjet 3770 scanner
[03:47] <mustard5> ubuntu_, what are you hoping to achieve in the end when you mount this drive?
[03:48] <ubuntu_> ok LjL
[03:48] <ubuntu_> how do I do that?
[03:48] <ion> sorry guys to ask again but I need someone else that can help me .....
[03:48] <ubuntu_> I want to access the mp3 files within the HDA
[03:48] <LjL> ubuntu_: no, wait a minute... now that i think of it, the livecd (or even ubuntu proper) doesn't have ssh installed, so we just can't do that
[03:49] <LjL> ubtunu_: tried sudo ls /something?
[03:49] <mustard5> ubuntu_, it seems to me that you would be better off installing ubuntu and setting up your ntfs drives with a script and then downloading mp3 support feel free to carry on though :)
[03:50] <blank> !ubotu tell LjL about enemy territory
[03:50] <blank> hey can you guys give me the link to the enemy territory how to
[03:50] <LjL> ubuntu_: mustard5 does have a point, i don't think you'll even be able to read mp3s with the livecd
[03:50] <mustard5> ion, you might need to repeat the question
[03:50] <LjL> blank: why tell *me* ? :o)
[03:51] <ion> I don't have any media on my ubuntu and cd burner as well
[03:51] <zhangjintu> anybody knows how to open DWG file?
[03:51] <mustard5> blank there is a how to in the forums entitled something like 'counterstrike like game'
[03:51] <meatwad65> ok i'm back
[03:51] <blank> i dont know i guess i like you
[03:51] <LjL> =)
[03:51] <ubuntu_> I try Berry Linux, it has no problem. Except the Berry Linux seems got some sound card bugs. That is why I try ubuntu
[03:51] <blank> no i want the how to comon please someone
[03:51] <blank> :'(
[03:51] <meatwad65> has anyone ever gotten the failed to initialize hal message when you start gnome?
[03:52] <blank> enemy territory how to
[03:52] <ion> I tryed to use sudo apt...but didn't work....
[03:52] <Madpilot> blank: there's an Enemy Territory howto on the wiki... have a look there
[03:52] <LjL> ubuntu_: dunno about berry linux, but ubuntu has this thing that it cannot distribute MP3 codecs for legal reasons. so you have to install them separately. it's very easy to do once ubuntu is installed, but with the livecd... well, don't think it's too easy
[03:52] <mustard5> ubuntu_, running a liveCD gives you limited options though.  Installing ubuntu will give you a better idea of how to do things
[03:53] <Madpilot> blank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnemyTerritory
[03:53] <blank> i need the ubuntu wiki , THANKS
[03:53] <zhangjintu> I need to view autodesk DWG file in linux.
[03:53] <ubuntu_> what's the minimal  drive space requirement install the ubuntu
[03:54] <ion> for  example I can't listen music...burn cd..and donwload mp3.....too...
[03:54] <misfit_toy> zhangjintu, search for autodesk at http://freshmeat.net
[03:54] <meatwad65> so nobody knows how to solve the failed to initialize hal problem?
[03:54] <ubuntu_> I've an old HD with about 2 gig..i think
[03:54] <zhangjintu> misfit_toy, thanks.
[03:54] <ubuntu_> corr: 4.o gig
[03:55] <LjL> ubuntu_: i think 2 gig is borderline, i suppose you'd be able to install it, but you wouldn't have much room left
[03:55] <mustard5> ubuntu_, how its going to take up about 2-3 Gb, then you want some freespace
[03:55] <ion> I tryed use apt-sudo install amule but didn't work
[03:55] <mustard5> ubuntu, drop the 'how' from that sentence :)
[03:55] <mustard5> ubuntu_, doh its confusing with an ubuntu and and ubuntu_  in channel
[03:56] <ubuntu_> so, after install the spare drive, I left with little room to backup those MP3 files?
[03:56] <NigelS> ion: if what you mean is that there are certain formats on your computer that you can't play then you should read this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <mustard5> ubuntu_, do you need to repartition your drives?
[03:56] <msg43> Hi
[03:56] <newbie000> OK, I changed my nick
[03:56] <msg43> I'm setting up ndiswrapper and I'm not sure what key type I have
[03:56] <ishP> pips, anyone who has HSFi (chip-Cx11252-11) driver?
[03:57] <mustard5> newbie000, ah that easier :)
[03:57] <msg43> I use 128Wep incryption
[03:57] <pupil>  in the start up script,. I want to enable my wireless connection,. and also let it auto connect to my protected wireless connection,.. how do I do this,. I am using Kubuntu Breezy
[03:57] <pupil> by the way, I had to configure my wireless adapter with ndiswrapper,.
[03:57] <pupil> so I had to use iwlist and iwconfig to configre
[03:57] <pupil> configure
[03:57] <msg43> pupil, which key type did you select?
[03:57] <ion> I went there already I have more problem than that...
[03:57] <superbeast> if i uninstall ubuntu and install slax will my grub screen detect the change?
[03:57] <msg43> I have 128 encryption
[03:58] <pupil> msg43, wep
[03:58] <mustard5> newbie000, have you got any spare partitions set up now?  Repartitioning is always a tricky business :)
[03:58] <newbie000> mustard, I thing the old drive needed to reformat and repartition
[03:58] <pupil> msg43, ohh,. 128, yes
[03:58] <ion> I can't install any media using sudo apt.....
[03:58] <pupil> msg43, I know there is a script to set key and essid etc,. I just don't know what file to edit
[03:58] <mustard5> newbie000, so you have a seperate drive to partition on?
[03:58] <msg43> pupil, I don't hav eopition
[03:58] <mustard5> newbie000, so you have a seperate drive to install on I mean?
[03:59] <msg43> I have ASCII or Hexadecimal
[03:59] <NigelS> ion: well you'll have to be more specific then - what do you mean by "can't install media"?
[03:59] <stuNNed> ok i need help with livecd and captive, crimsun? :)
[03:59] <FR500> does anyone use a hp scanjet 3770 scanner
[03:59] <FR500> can anyone help me to configure it?
[03:59] <pupil> msg43, I use sudo iwconfig wlan0 key s:password
[03:59] <newbie000> yes, this is only auternative..I couldn't risk wipd out my current drive
[03:59] <pupil> so set my password
[03:59] <msg43> pupil, oh
[03:59] <msg43> I'm setting this up for my cousin
[03:59] <Madpilot> FR500: have you looked at the SANE project website?
[03:59] <mustard5> FR500, there is a how to on hp printers on wiki.ubuntu.com I think
[03:59] <FR500> pupil, did you get xine to work well?
[04:00] <msg43> I'm more 1337 to use ubuntu
[04:00] <pupil> FR500, yes I did,.
[04:00] <msg43> though I love it for noobs
[04:00] <pupil> FR500, thank you
[04:00] <FR500> mustard5, it's an scanner :p
[04:00] <FR500> pupil, np
[04:00] <FR500> Madpilot, yes, but it needed an especific backend, i downloaded the drivers but still nothing
[04:00] <ion> ok I haven't do cd burner,amule,limeware and my xmms doesn't work.....
[04:00] <mustard5> FR500, doh  soz...I've got one of those all in one things :)
[04:01] <pupil> msg43, so what file do I edit to set up essid,. key,. and bring up dhclient on wlan0
[04:01] <Ep|phany> does anyone here do home networking?
[04:01] <superbeast> how would i add another os to my grub screen that came with ubuntu anyone?
[04:01] <mustard5> newbie000, yeah, I would be worried about that myself
[04:01] <mustard5> newbie000, if you have a seperate drive that would be excellent
[04:01] <newbie000> which is the best version for installing ubuntu into a 4gig HD? the DVD version or liveCD is fine?
[04:01] <Ep|phany> mustard5 can you help me with accsessing a shared folder over my home network?
[04:01] <ion> and I can use totem cos some plugins is missing...
[04:02] <mustard5> Ep|phany, I have no concept of windows shares sorry :)
[04:02] <Ep|phany> no no
[04:02] <msg43> pupil, I dunno I use archlinux
[04:02] <Ep|phany> its set up fine
[04:02] <msg43> and haven't use wireless int the past 3 months
[04:02] <blackhat> when I try to install DVDShrink (linux version) I get errors saying there are missing dependencies, but I cannot get them through apt-get....
[04:02] <Ep|phany> but when i go to network servers and then windows
[04:02] <blackhat> !dvdshrink
[04:02] <Ep|phany> nothing shows up
[04:02] <ubotu> blackhat: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:03] <davidpelaez> Hello
[04:03] <pupil> msg43, what is archlinux?
[04:03] <tiger> hai
[04:03] <FR500> Ep|phany, accessing the other pcs in the net should be trivial if you can ping them
[04:03] <mustard5> Ep|phany, I don't think I would even know where to begin looking...
[04:03] <NigelS> ion: what you need to do is say what the actual error is - when you sudo apt-get install amule, what error do you get etc? similarly, what error do you have with xmms?
[04:03] <Ep|phany> fr500 what do you mean
[04:03] <blackhat> hai
[04:03] <mustard5> newbie000, the CD version
[04:03] <Ep|phany> im using a router and both pcs are sharing internet accsess
[04:03] <Ep|phany> it was working before
[04:03] <msg43> pupil, its a binary distro. It a bit of slackware and gentoo
[04:03] <davidpelaez> anyone knows how to change de size of programs designed for kde. Amarok or kopete for example. Their appearence is simlar to kde but their fonts are huge, where, how an i change this font sizes???
[04:03] <msg43> it really easy to install
[04:03] <msg43> you do need to know somewhat about linux
[04:03] <mustard5> newbie000, the install CD
[04:03] <ian> Could someone dump the contents of the default sources.list in the paste bin please? I was tinkering with mine and forgot to take a backup. Now Synaptic wont work :-(
[04:04] <pupil> msg43, hmm,. why did you choose to use it?
[04:04] <tiger> hai
[04:04] <mustard5> newbie000, I believe the DVD has both live and install on it
[04:04] <teja> #winehq
[04:04] <msg43> like editing fstab, adding groups, etc...
[04:04] <FR500> Ep|phany, can you ping the other PC?
[04:04] <Ep|phany> how do i do thaT
[04:04] <msg43> pupil, mainly cause I liked gentoo hated the compile times,
[04:04] <newbie000> i see. got to tr download it again
[04:04] <msg43> there no default windows manager
[04:04] <pupil> msg43,  ic
[04:04] <foampeace> i love this os and its gospel...spread the ubuntu gospel and there was this os and man typed it into existence.
[04:04] <msg43> and I install waht I need
[04:04] <FR500> Ep|phany, open a terminal and type ping other_pcs_ip_address
[04:04] <msg43> grr
[04:04] <mustard5> Ep|phany, ping ipaddress in terminal ?
[04:04] <msg43> it doesn't work :(
[04:04] <pupil> msg43, whats cool about gentoo., and have you used ubuntu,. what are the differences?
[04:04] <ion> root@ubuntuemerson:/home/emerson # sudo apt-get install amule
[04:04] <ion> Reading package lists... Done
[04:04] <ion> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:04] <ion> E: Couldn't find package amule
[04:05] <LjL> ion: do you have universe enabled?
[04:05] <Ep|phany> it says 54 bytes of data
[04:05] <davidpelaez> hwo can i change the font size of non gnome apps like amarok so it can fit in my screen???
[04:05] <pupil> ion, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:05] <Ep|phany> so im assuming it pinged?
[04:05] <mustard5> ion, pasting is not allowed in main channel please read /topic
[04:05] <foampeace> pupil: gentoo is for people who like to tinker with finer elements
[04:05] <NigelS> ion: amule is in the universe repository
[04:05] <pupil> ion, edit that
[04:05] <mustard5> ubotu: tell ion about pastebin
[04:05] <FR500> Ep|phany, response?
[04:05] <NigelS> ion: you need to add that to your sources.list file, either though synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:05] <foampeace> but i must say ubuntu works
[04:06] <foampeace> what can we do for ubuntu
[04:06] <msg43> pupil, well I like arch because you install what you want/need. No default windows manager.
[04:06] <pupil> foampeace, indeed
[04:06] <msg43> and you don't need ot install from source code
[04:06] <NigelS> ion: e.g. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted multiverse universe
[04:06] <Ep|phany> yea
[04:06] <msg43> it really not an opition
[04:06] <pupil> msg43, you have to complie everthing?
[04:06] <pupil> msg43, does it use debs, or?
[04:06] <newbie000> tkx mustard and LjL... I will try give it a shot a gain with CD install version.
[04:06] <FR500> Ep|phany, then it should appear, otherwise, you probably have a firewall in the window$ pc
[04:07] <ion> hold on guys too much information ....what I have to do first....?
[04:07] <mustard5> Ep|phany, use nicks in front of your answers ;)
[04:07] <jt> can anyone help me with my ftpserver?
[04:07] <msg43> pupil, no you don't
[04:07] <NigelS> msg43: even ubuntu can install in server mode, and distros like debian of course you install only what you want
[04:07] <msg43> and it uses .tar.gz which are kinda like debs
[04:07] <NigelS> ion: just do that one thing, then run sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <pupil> msg43, I know tar.gz that is simply compressoin.
[04:07] <msg43> Nigel15, yeah but ubuntu is to much automatic though I really like it
[04:07] <msg43> and pacman the package manager is kinda like apt but like 100 times better
[04:07] <ion> I did that...several times...
[04:08] <NigelS> msg43: as I say, you could override that, but each to their own I guess :)
[04:08] <pupil> msg43, is that what arch uses,. pacman?
[04:08] <LjL> pupil: slackware's tar.gz isn't simply compression, it's (simple) packages, if that's what you're talking about
[04:08] <mustard5> ion, the pastebin is your friend, paste your errrors in there and show us the URL to the pastebin
[04:08] <NigelS> ion: the package amule is in the ubuntu repositories we're telling you, but it's part of the universe section, so your sources.list is prob not correct
[04:08] <msg43> pupil, yeah but it not the game
[04:09] <davidpelaez> how can i change the font size of kde apps from gnome, i do not have kde installed but some programs seem to be from that wm
[04:09] <davidpelaez> anyone hekping please?
[04:09] <FR500> Ep|phany, you there
[04:09] <Ep|phany> yea
[04:09] <Ep|phany> it was saying it could not accsess MSHOME
[04:09] <Ep|phany> so i made a new domain of HOME
[04:09] <Ep|phany> and im restarting my windows pc right now
[04:09] <Ep|phany> oh shit
[04:09] <Ep|phany> forgot to put your nick in front
[04:10] <Ep|phany> FR500: above was for you
[04:10] <mustard5> Ep|phany, it just helpful and less confusing....thanks
[04:10] <Madpilot> davidpelaez: there's an app called qt-config that'll do that
[04:10] <FR500> Ep|phany, ok, btw, it's not a domain not a workgroup a domain is more complex
[04:10] <Siph0n> hey. neone know where/how i can get arm-linux-gcc???
[04:11] <stuNNed> anyone use captive?
[04:11] <ian> are Multiverse and Backports the same thing?
[04:11] <davidpelaez> thanks
[04:11] <mustard5> ian no
[04:11] <Madpilot> ian: no
[04:11] <adriyel> hi guys
[04:12] <Madpilot> davidpelaez: qt3-config, actually
[04:12] <ian> Ok, could someone give me the link to the Multiverse repository please?
[04:12] <dducko> !repos
[04:12] <ubotu> I guess repos is How to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[04:12] <Madpilot> ian: last URL above ^^^
[04:12] <jt> anyone...ftp help??
[04:12] <Ep|phany> fr500: now when i go network servers it asks me for username domain and password
[04:13] <msg43> were is the wlan config file?
[04:13] <mustard5> jt, you want to ftp or you are setting up an ftp?
[04:13] <Ep|phany> im typing my username and domain but i dont have a password because it was set to simple mode
[04:13] <ian> Madpilt thanks
[04:13] <Ep|phany> but i cant get in
[04:13] <jt> msg43: interfaces
[04:13] <jt> mustard5: server...
[04:13] <jt> mustard5: well i have set it up...but am having problems with it
[04:13] <msg43> jt, would you explain
[04:13] <mustard5> jt, I have no idea then :)
[04:13] <Ep|phany> yay i figured it out
[04:14] <ion> well I gonna use the past bin you guys can see what's going on .....
[04:14] <teja> jt, what ftp server are u trying to set up?
[04:14] <FR500> Ep|phany, hmmm, it doesn't really like empty passwords afaik, can you try to allow guest authentication in your windows lan connection, select your connnection in the M$ pc, and properties, in the authentication tab it should appear
[04:14] <Ep|phany> FR500: i had to type my router user and pass
[04:14] <mustard5> ion, good call
[04:14] <Ep|phany> thanks for the help though
[04:14] <msg43> can anyone help me setup ndiswrapper?
[04:14] <FR500> Ep|phany, np
[04:14] <nicholaspaul> Q: when i'm ssh'ing , do i just need port 22 forwarded?
[04:14] <ion> all right man cheers.....
[04:15] <PukingGeko> HELP! SUDO COMMAND WILL NOT WORK! I GET THE ERROR MESSAGE: "sudo: must be setuid root
[04:15] <PukingGeko> " PLEASE HELP!
[04:15] <mustard5> PukingGeko, turn of caps lock plz
[04:15] <PukingGeko> sorry
[04:15] <mustard5> PukingGeko, try to remain calm
[04:15] <linuxgeek2> !good morning
[04:15] <ubotu> linuxgeek2: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:15] <tomaj> pukinggeko, calm down and dont ask questions like that
[04:15] <NigelS> nicholaspaul: if you're sshing *in* to your private network behind a router you will need to DNAT some port to a local port that your sshd is running on, if that's what you're asking?
[04:16] <PukingGeko> everything's not working now
[04:16] <adriyel> stop confusing ubotu, sheesh :P
[04:16] <nicholaspaul> NigelS, i'm sshing within the network, all LAN
[04:16] <mustard5> PukingGeko, ok explain your circumstance in detail please
[04:16] <adriyel> NigelS, set up boxen to be ssh'ed into under DMZ in router settings?
[04:16] <misfit_toy> hell I'd rather know why he has that nick first, ;)
[04:17] <PukingGeko> whenever I try to run the "sudo" command, i get an error message that says this: "sudo: must be setuid root
[04:17] <PukingGeko> "
[04:17] <adriyel> PukingGeko, have you edited your /etc/sudoers file?
[04:17] <PukingGeko> no
[04:17] <adriyel> curious.
[04:17] <PukingGeko> i've edited /etc/modules though
[04:17] <mustard5> PukingGeko, have you just installed?
[04:17] <PukingGeko> yes
[04:17] <NigelS> nicholaspaul: then you shouldn't need to forward ports yes?
[04:17] <mustard5> PukingGeko, did you use expert install ?
[04:17] <adriyel> mustard5, ? I don't see why this is happening...
[04:17] <PukingGeko> no
[04:17] <adriyel> NigelS, forward port 22, no?
[04:17] <Siph0n> hey. neone know where/how i can get arm-linux-gcc??? :)
[04:17] <Hex1> how do you remove those bloody server links left over in nautilus from "Connect to server" commands?
[04:18] <adriyel> Siph0n, gcc for arm...what has an ARM proccy that you are coding for, may I ask?
[04:18] <NigelS> adriyel: why does he need to forward a port? he's just connecting internally
[04:18] <adriyel> NigelS, wtf? then why can't he connect in an internal LAN?
[04:18] <mustard5> PukingGeko, what have you done since installing that might have caused this?
[04:18] <PukingGeko> installed ndiswrapper
[04:18] <adriyel> mustard5, he said /etc/modules, I don't see the relevancy...ndiswrapper, wireless...yadda yadda.
[04:18] <NigelS> adriyel: he hasn't said he can't! why don't you ask him?  jumping the gun a little to assume DMZ etc and all that
[04:19] <adriyel> PukingGeko, was sudo working initially?
[04:19] <mustard5> adriyel, I'm a bit lost too :)
[04:19] <PukingGeko> yeah, perfectly
[04:19] <PukingGeko> i just rebooted to test the wireless.
[04:19] <tomaj> where is a good tutorial for configuring file sharing that isnt ubotu's definition of samba
[04:19] <adriyel> NigelS, sheesh, sorry. it just sounded like a "behind router" problem, heard it 1,000,000 times before
[04:19] <blackhat> Anyone know where I can get transcode? its not in apt-get.
[04:19] <PukingGeko> and all of the suden sudo's gone
[04:19] <adriyel> PukingGeko, you rebooted, and sudo doesn't work...
[04:19] <blackhat> !transcode
[04:19] <ubotu> blackhat: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:19] <adriyel> PukingGeko, did you login as root, or your normal user?
[04:19] <PukingGeko> actually
[04:19] <nicholaspaul> ok ok adriyel , NigelS doing a little more research, i can login to some computers and not others.
[04:20] <PukingGeko> i chmod 777 -R /usr/bin/
[04:20] <mustard5> PukingGeko, you might have to use recovery mode to view your sudoers file
[04:20] <adriyel> nicholaspaul,  :| some people have all the luck
[04:20] <misfit_toy> blackhat, it's part of another package, alas I can't remember what it is...
[04:20] <Siph0n> adriyel: some helicopter project... http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.brisset/chromicro/doc/chromicro.html
[04:20] <adriyel> PukingGeko, *bangs head on desk* why didn't you say so before?
[04:20] <adriyel> Siph0n, hmm. multiverse?
[04:20] <mustard5> adriyel, hehe
[04:20] <PukingGeko> i just remembered
[04:20] <PukingGeko> that's the problem!
[04:21] <adriyel> omg, this is why I only do tech support as a hobby and not as a job
[04:21] <msg43> can somsone please help me with ndiswrapper?
[04:21] <adriyel> I'm going to go commit suicide, kthx.
[04:21] <Siph0n> ? i dunno what that is, im new :)
[04:21] <adriyel> Siph0n, you new to Linux, or just Ubuntu?
[04:21] <NigelS> nicholaspaul: ok - any error thrown back from them? some are running their own firewall? they've all got sshd listening on 22?
[04:21] <nicholaspaul> adriyel i just have some funny things going on in the network i think
[04:21] <Siph0n> both :)
[04:21] <mustard5> PukingGeko, I think you should seek advice next time before you try to 'fix things'
[04:21] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, you buy netgear hardware? *smiles*
[04:21] <nicholaspaul> NigelS, how do i set sshd?
[04:21] <PukingGeko> okay, crap-> how should i get everything back to normal permissions?
[04:21] <nicholaspaul> adriyel, oddly enough, i do have an MA111 :)
[04:21] <Siph0n> ive used Mandrake for a little before, then tryed Ubuntu, heard it was awesome :)
[04:21] <mustard5> adriyel, I have no idea how to fix this
[04:22] <blackhat> Whats the file that contains the APT servers?
[04:22] <adriyel> Siph0n, you're new to Linux, and you're attempting to code for an obscure processor with a generally linux-only compiler...(I don't care about MingW32, don't correct me.)
[04:22] <PukingGeko> what should the permissions be? 555?
[04:22] <adriyel> Siph0n, you got balls kid :D
[04:22] <freddy> ubuntu brothers, how can i get rid of the messages that come up when booting up my system...i really like to add an image or something....please?
[04:22] <adriyel> Siph0n, I've activated the extra repo's and such, lemme see if the it exists
[04:22] <msg43> Can this dam community help me with ndiswrapper?
[04:22] <NigelS> nicholaspaul: if sshd is running on these boxes by default it will be listening on 22; if you wanted to change that its in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:22] <mustard5> PukingGeko, have you done much since installing?  Is reinstalling an option?
[04:23] <freddy> msg43, lol
[04:23] <Madpilot> msg43: insulting "the community" is probably not a good way to start...
[04:23] <PukingGeko> yeah, sure
[04:23] <Siph0n> lol, thing is i dont really gotta code nething, the code is all out there already... we just gotta get it to work...
[04:23] <freddy> msg43, what about it?
[04:23] <freddy> what chipset
[04:23] <PukingGeko> mustard5 -> that's what i need, huh?
[04:23] <Siph0n> at least first, then afterwards we gonna try and add some more functionality
[04:23] <nicholaspaul> NigelS, i installed ssh and ssh server, but do i have to install sshd too?
[04:23] <mustard5> PukingGeko, come back here and seek advice on how to do stuff..thats what i would do yes
[04:23] <msg43> freddy, I'm not sure
[04:23] <adriyel> Siph0n, meh? so you're trying to compile it under and operating system you don't understand? you're freaking cool man. (not sarcastic) seriously, thats awesome.
[04:23] <freddy> what brand?
[04:23] <PukingGeko> mustard5 -> alright... thanks
[04:23] <mustard5> PukingGeko, you've made a mess and it will be messy to fix
[04:23] <msg43> the driver is bcmwl5
[04:23] <adriyel> Siph0n, I don't think you need to install a whole new gcc package
[04:23] <adriyel> Siph0n, I'
[04:23] <msg43> that came with the wireless drive ront eh cd
[04:23] <freddy> linksys?
[04:24] <djbrieck> question  about setting up grub, I want to modify my boot up so it remembers the last boot selected, i modified this file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:24] <tomaj> adriyel be nice or dont help
[04:24] <mustard5> PukingGeko, the easy option is 'start again' but seek advice first
[04:24] <freddy> ubuntu brothers, how can i get rid of the messages that come up when booting up my system...i really like to add an image or something....please?
[04:24] <adriyel> Siph0n, I'd say grab gcc-3 of some sort, like 3.3 or 3.4, (gcc-3.4) and compile for ARM (cflags/chost?)
[04:24] <djbrieck> is that right
[04:24] <adriyel> tomaj, I said I wasn't being sarcastic
[04:24] <PukingGeko> yeah... i will next time
[04:24] <msg43> Ok I'm stuck I connnect to the internet
[04:24] <msg43> using ndiswrapper
[04:24] <tomaj> adriyel but you were lol
[04:24] <mustard5> PukingGeko, we can walk you through it all next time
[04:24] <adriyel> tomaj, this kids got a lot more balls than I do, I can appreciate someone willing to try something risky
[04:24] <msg43> I got ndiswrapper all setup
[04:24] <adriyel> tomaj, I wasn't being sarcastic, I think its awesome that he was willing to just leap into something like that
[04:24] <PukingGeko> yeah, you guys are normally pretty great
[04:25] <tomaj> adriyel fair enough you just seem to be having a bad day :)
[04:25] <msg43> but now I have no clud what to do
[04:25] <PukingGeko> alright... back to the boot disk...
[04:25] <teja> dont u get the ubuntu splash while booting?
[04:25] <mustard5> PukingGeko, good luck
[04:25] <tomaj> adriyel maybe i just misjudged the situation
[04:25] <freddy> msg43, install the driver
[04:25] <adriyel> tomaj, as opposed to? I don't come on here frequently
[04:25] <adriyel> tomaj, its cool
[04:25] <PukingGeko> let's see how bad i can crap this up now.... :)
[04:25] <nicholaspaul> adriyel, you dont like netgear gear?
[04:25] <msg43> freddy, I did that
[04:25] <freddy> msg43, ndiswrapper --help
[04:25] <superbeast> anyone know how to uninstall grub?
[04:25] <freddy> now check if it is installed
[04:25] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, bad experience with a netgear router, I just buy linksys stuff now
[04:25] <msg43> freddy, ndiswrapper says it is
[04:25] <nicholaspaul> adriyel,  this is a d-link router and nics
[04:25] <adriyel> Siph0n, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[04:25] <msg43> I did ndiswrapper -l
[04:26] <freddy> it is where?
[04:26] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, do you frequently have probs with this?
[04:26] <freddy> let me know what it says exactly
[04:26] <nicholaspaul> yes adriyel
[04:26] <teja> superbeast, what do u want to do after uninstalling grub?
[04:26] <adriyel> Siph0n, then run gcc -mcpu=arm sourcefile_blah
[04:26] <adriyel> I think.
[04:26] <Siph0n> adriyel, thnx! ill try that right now :)
[04:26] <msg43> freddy, ok
[04:26] <superbeast> i want to run a linux live cd, it won't let me boot from cd with grub installed
[04:26] <msg43> bcmwl5, driver present,  hardware present
[04:26] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, I don't remember hearing much that is good about DLink either, is it possible theres one faulty network device between you and the host computer? how many pieces of hardware are you jumping across?
[04:27] <tito> Yes
[04:27] <tomaj> do i have to setup samba traditionally or will using System > Administration > Shared Folders do it all for me?
[04:27] <tito> I got it working
[04:27] <adriyel> Siph0n, if its not -mcpu=arm its something similar, gotta be. usually such projects use make to compile it, so you may need to edit the make file, although compiling for arm stuff shoulda been done for you if that is the case, so I don't really know :(
[04:27] <tito> I'm am msg43
[04:27] <nicholaspaul> adriyel everything is Internet > wifi router > pc
[04:27] <tito> for whatever reason the network tools doesn't work to well
[04:28] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, so this is going across the internet?
[04:28] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, I was told it was a LAN, not 'cross the net
[04:28] <teja> superbeast, be prepared for a total loss of your data. the MBR is from 0-512 bytes. so if you want to destroy grub, do this dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda(anything)  bs=510 count=1
[04:28] <NigelS> nicholaspaul: sshd == ssh daemon == ssh server
[04:28] <superbeast> bah don't want to lose data
[04:28] <tito> freddy, It worked
[04:28] <tito> Woot!
[04:28] <NigelS> adriyel: 03:16 < nicholaspaul> NigelS, i'm sshing within the network, all LAN
[04:28] <teja> but, you can try removing your harddisk from the mobo for a while and test the livecd
[04:29] <adriyel> NigelS, contradictory to what was just said, I am really horribly confused
[04:29] <adriyel> superbeast, whats the prob with your hdd?
[04:29] <superbeast> lol none
[04:29] <Siph0n> adriyel, yea, there is a makefile im lookin at right now to modify :)
[04:30] <superbeast> i want to replace my ubuntu partition with slax , but first i need to run the slax live cd
[04:30] <nicholaspaul> adriyel,  you just misread thats all, dont worry
[04:30] <adriyel> Siph0n, well there you go then :D hopefully it'll work. the whole point of gcc is to have one package + g++ (c++) and typically gdb for debugging. the cool part about gcc is that its typically capable of generating code for just about any architecture out there
[04:30] <superbeast> and it won't let me with grub installed
[04:30] <ubuntu> hi
[04:30] <tomaj> superbeast dont make me spank you, stay with ubuntu
[04:30] <superbeast> it doesn't work
[04:31] <shawn_> hey if i got timed out and got detached to a terminal, how do i reattach to that old terminal if i log back in (using ssh into a bsd box..)
[04:31] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, is the local network this machine is on going across wifi then?
[04:31] <tomaj> superbeast why not?
[04:31] <NigelS> superbeast: if you're running a live cd why is grub involved? your bios should have CD set to boot from first and boot off that
[04:31] <nicholaspaul> adriyel, yea, its all wifi
[04:31] <superbeast> well xserver won't start and i tried a reconfigure command but it didn't help me
[04:31] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, how strong is the signal for both your box and the ssh/host boxen?
[04:31] <superbeast> i think it might be my x800xl
[04:31] <tomaj> are you sure xserver wont start?
[04:31] <dalani> turnkey answers please!
[04:31] <nicholaspaul> adriyel,  or will be when i get MA111 working, but for now, there are 2 wifis and one hardwired
[04:32] <adriyel> (I have a Linksys WRT54G, I tried the wireless, couldn't stand it)
[04:32] <Ep|phany> anyone here use tightvnc?
[04:32] <nicholaspaul> adriyel, pretty strong, i'm only 20' away , if that.
[04:32] <superbeast> ... it has a message that pops up saying to go to x's wiki
[04:32] <tomaj> dalani, support is free here have patience
[04:32] <adriyel> mine never was that strong, dunno why.
[04:32] <dducko> Ep|phany, I have
[04:32] <adriyel> superbeast, have you install the fglrx drivers?
[04:32] <adriyel> ubuto tell superbeast about ati
[04:32] <NigelS> gotta hate 802.11g for interference - my friends wireless connection drops whenever the microwave is used :)
[04:32] <nicholaspaul> !ssh
[04:32] <ubotu> methinks ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[04:32] <Ep|phany> is it like a linux viersion of real vnc?
[04:33] <shawn_> anybody know of a good bsd support chat? i got detached from a terminal due to a timeout and would like to reattach to it (i was editing something with vi)
[04:33] <superbeast> nope
[04:33] <tomaj> superbeast try this instead
[04:33] <adriyel> shawn_, #bsd or whatever version of bsd you are using
[04:33] <Ep|phany> dducko: is it like a linux version for real vnc?
[04:33] <dducko> TightVnc is a version of vnc that compresses it, makes it useful for slow connections Ep|phany
[04:33] <adriyel> are you using net, free, or open bsd?
[04:33] <dducko> Its all VNC,  Real, Ultra, Tight
[04:33] <tomaj> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <Ep|phany> dducko: can i accsess a server that i have running on a windows with real vnc
[04:33] <Ep|phany> threw tightvnc
[04:33] <dducko> Ep|phany, aloso you have vnc already installed
[04:33] <superbeast> so that should work?
[04:34] <_Dez> how do i delete ubuntu
[04:34] <dducko> type vncviewer in a terminal
[04:34] <tomaj> then go down to the device section and change Driver to vesa and restart
[04:34] <dducko> well and the IP of the one you want to connect to
[04:34] <superbeast> ill brb if it doesnt work
[04:34] <adriyel> of course you will :D
[04:34] <adriyel> my gosh, theres so many people in here
[04:35] <tomaj> adriyel yeah it's unusually busy
[04:35] <tito> Were can I get list of sources for ubuntu 5.10
[04:35] <adriyel> tomaj, well, its usually floating around 200-300, all but 10-15 would be squatters though
[04:35] <adriyel> now I feel like I'm watching a lvl50 tetris game :(
[04:36] <tomaj> hahahahaha
[04:36] <dducko> ubotu tell tito about repos
[04:36] <adriyel> hmm...g/f should be calling soon
[04:36] <tomaj> lol adriyel: bbl booty call
[04:36] <tomaj> but that in ""'s
[04:36] <Siph0n> adriyel, i did a find for arm-linux-gcc ,and found it :) so think i just gotta change some directorys around or sometin
[04:37] <Siph0n> or paths or whatever :)
[04:37] <adriyel> Siph0n, ah, cool
[04:37] <ion> thanks and have a goodnight everybody......
[04:37] <adriyel> Siph0n, I don't see why the default install couldn't have compiled for arm, but *shrugs* I only code for i386/x86_64...
[04:38] <adriyel> holy crap.
[04:38] <adriyel> chanserv quit?
[04:38] <tomaj> leet
[04:38] <adriyel> who will maintain order? :(
[04:38] <adriyel> crap.
[04:38] <NigelS> there was order?
[04:38] <tomaj> haha nigels
[04:38] <nicholaspaul> lol
[04:38] <adriyel> lol.
[04:40] <tomaj> suddenly there's silence
[04:40] <adriyel> no kidding
[04:40] <tomaj> we should kick chanserv more often
[04:40] <adriyel> we're all afraid
[04:40] <SbCl3> how do i restart alsa?
[04:40] <adriyel> dammit.
[04:40] <adriyel> it ended.
[04:40] <tomaj> lol
[04:40] <adriyel> sigh.
[04:40] <adriyel> I am too lazy to type the command.
[04:40] <tomaj> i dont know the command, i'd just restart personally
[04:40] <NigelS> SbCl3: /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:40] <SbCl3> thank you, NigelS
[04:40] <adriyel> thanks Nig, I'll be sure to foist my laziness on you more often
[04:40] <adriyel> *laughs*
[04:40] <NigelS> hehe
[04:40] <phasegen> anyone good with networking?
[04:40] <vvarsendagger> hey i can't login on my ubuntu server machien, waht can i do?
[04:40] <adriyel> phasegen, well, I happen to be on the internet, so I'd consider that an accomplishment given the havoc the windows boxen wreaks on this network (not my compy, some other obstinate win32 user)
[04:41] <SbCl3> NigelS: that doesn't work; it says the command is deprecated and to use alsa-utils init script instead
[04:41] <adriyel> SbCl3, so use alsa-utils.
[04:41] <tito> I have to say ubuntu is very nice
[04:41] <vvarsendagger> any ideas?
[04:41] <NigelS> SbCl3: yeah, replace the alsa -- > alsa-utils, 'tis not very often you have to restart alsa really :)
[04:41] <phasegen> adriyel: what about networking two ubuntu boxes together w/wireless
[04:42] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: kinda need more info; how are you logging in/connecting, what error etc
[04:42] <adriyel> phasegen, lemme rephrase this. don't ask rhetorical questions to the whole of the channel, whats the problem?
[04:42] <Tank-> Is there a known problem with breazy's xserver-xorg-core_6.8.2-77_i386 package ? i keep getting  unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a': No such file or directory
[04:43] <adriyel> Tank-, why are you installing the pkg? did you remove it or something?
[04:43] <_native_> its friday go party!
[04:43] <phasegen> can't get them to connect...  I used the tool in system>administration>networking...
[04:43] <tomaj> actually its saturday morning _native_
[04:43] <NigelS> horribly early saturday morning here
[04:43] <adriyel> _native_, my party happens tomorrow, I'm gonna be with my woman for 12 hours....12 hour long booty call baby :D
[04:43] <adriyel> NigelS, Brit?
[04:44] <NigelS> yeah adriyel
[04:44] <adriyel> NigelS, I could tell from the name :P
[04:44] <_native_> lol
[04:44] <adriyel> superbeast, how goes the war?
[04:44] <NigelS> :)
[04:44] <wickedpuppy> saturday morning in south-east asia too
[04:44] <nicholaspaul> do i sound like a Brit too then?
[04:44] <_native_> its 844pm here
[04:44] <superbeast> bad
[04:44] <Nothingman> hey, all
[04:44] <_native_> im staying in its rainning and cold.
[04:44] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, not particularly. then again, this isn't voice chat.
[04:44] <tomaj> not work superbeast?
[04:44] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, none of you have said bugger all yet...so, no indicator there.
[04:44] <nicholaspaul> adriyel,  oh. Cant tell from my name huh.. ;)
[04:44] <tomaj> adriyel thank god!!
[04:44] <superbeast> it didn't work, it had a blank screen and some options at the bottom that didn't work
[04:45] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, nigel is a lot more obvious than a double first name
[04:45] <tomaj> superbeast can you be more specific?
[04:45] <adriyel> tomaj, thank god/me for what?
[04:45] <nicholaspaul> adriyel,  boy, the assumptions you make :)
[04:45] <tomaj> adriyel that it isnt voicechat
[04:45] <Ep|phany> dducko: how do i connect to a rvnc server i made
[04:45] <Ep|phany> i did
[04:45] <Ep|phany> but when i type the server
[04:45] <Ep|phany> it never connects
[04:45] <nicholaspaul> its not a double first name. Its an IRC nic
[04:45] <Ep|phany> is there something special i have to do?
[04:45] <adriyel> tomaj, you just made me laugh
[04:45] <vvarsendagger> NigelS, i installed ubuntu -server, and i have x-org problems -- i need to install x.org-session-core but i cant' get a login to work
[04:45] <adriyel> tomaj, lol, indeed though
[04:45] <superbeast> i typed sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[04:45] <adriyel> and?
[04:46] <nicholaspaul> grief
[04:46] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: this is a physical login, e.g. at the machine, or remotely with ssh?
[04:46] <adriyel> (hanging on every word)
[04:46] <nicholaspaul> blimey
[04:46] <Aven> Hey
[04:46] <Aven> I typed apt-get remove proftpd
[04:46] <vvarsendagger> physical
[04:46] <Nothingman> suddenly anything I download gives me an error regarding libSDL
[04:46] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, blimey. boom, you've been marked.
[04:46] <Aven> I also completly removed it from synaptic
[04:46] <nicholaspaul> perfect
[04:46] <superbeast> ........there isn't much to it then that
[04:46] <Aven> but it's still running
[04:46] <vvarsendagger> and i was loging in yesterday fine
[04:46] <adriyel> nicholaspaul, yee-haw.
[04:46] <Aven> how can I stop it? :\
[04:46] <phasegen> adriyel: can't get them to connect...  I used the tool in system>administration>networking...  set the same network name, no wep key, and static ip addresses
[04:46] <_native_> bbl
[04:46] <Nothingman> what can I do?
[04:46] <vvarsendagger> but i installed gnome
[04:46] <adriyel> superbeast, did it open the file when you typed that or what?
[04:46] <tomaj> superbeast so nothing opened, are you running from the live cd?
[04:46] <vvarsendagger> any ideas
[04:47] <adriyel> phasegen, set them to use DHCP
[04:47] <adriyel> phasegen, also make sure your WAP has dhcp enabled, and that wireless is enabled, and that MAC addresses/encryption aren't buggering around
[04:47] <superbeast> there was no text, just a few options at the bottom and "command prompt/dos type thing" to type in
[04:48] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: seems a little odd then;  you're logging in at virtual terminal 1, CTRL-ALT-F1 with the same login/pw combo? it's saying incorrect pw or?
[04:48] <adriyel> superbeast, I don't think you opened the actual file
[04:48] <superbeast> whoa
[04:48] <superbeast> yeah i don't think i did either
[04:48] <adriyel> superbeast, try this command verbatim, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:48] <adriyel> you missed a capital
[04:48] <vvarsendagger> NigelS, yes that is correct
[04:48] <NigelS> superbeast: did you type /etc/x11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:48] <adriyel> unix/linux is case sensitive, DOS/Win32 is not.
[04:48] <adriyel> remember that carefully
[04:48] <adriyel> NigelS, way ahead of you kid :P
[04:49] <NigelS> adriyel: takes a while to type those slashes :)
[04:49] <superbeast> opk i'll give it another go
[04:49] <adriyel> typically if nano is blank and something should be there, your typo alarm should be going off
[04:49] <vvarsendagger> i am thinking that i sould reinstall ubuntu but i don't wanna
[04:49] <adriyel> NigelS, thats what I use the tab key and middle mouse button for
[04:49] <tomaj> superbeast, capitalisation is very important in linux you know that right?
[04:49] <superbeast> ok well i'm a linux newb
[04:49] <adriyel> NigelS, but I am a Vi user, so I shortcut everything
[04:49] <adriyel> superbeast, its cool, I've made all the mistakes you can think of
[04:49] <adriyel> superbeast, try it, does it work?
[04:49] <superbeast> brb
[04:49] <adriyel> kz.
[04:49] <tomaj> adriyel speak for yourself, my first distro was gentoo
[04:49] <tomaj> :P
[04:50] <phasegen> adriyel: still no joy
[04:50] <Ep|phany> whtas a good wireless routeR?
[04:50] <adriyel> tomaj, yeah, my second distro was gentoo. that was my first Linux mistake *snickers*
[04:50] <Davey> Hey, if I buy a bluetooth dongle, and this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BI4KKM/ref=pd_sr_ec_ir_wr/102-9041115-9057709?v=glance&s=wireless&st=* - you reckon that'll work for Skype? :)
[04:50] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: that is strange then - trying first of all potentially insulting things (sorry) caps lock isn't on? there's space on the harddisk last you knew? no one else has physical access to the machine?
[04:50] <adriyel> tomaj, stage-1, I might add.
[04:50] <tomaj> adriyel, gentoo is alright but waaaay to much effort, that's why i like ubuntu easy peasy
[04:50] <Davey> Ep|phany, I like the Linksys ones, owned by Cisco now :)
[04:50] <Tank-> adriyel: upgrading from hoary to breazy
[04:51] <Aven> how do I stop a specific port from running?
[04:51] <Tank-> via apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:51] <Aven> using iptables..
[04:51] <adriyel> tomaj, I used gentoo for a long time, then I got sick of small proggies taking 1/2 hour to install
[04:51] <adriyel> tomaj, easy indeed.
[04:51] <adriyel> Tank-, doing a dist-upgrade is problematic in my experience, you'd be better off backing up data and doing a CD install
[04:51] <adriyel> !dist-upgrade
[04:51] <ubotu> adriyel: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:51] <adriyel> !hoary to breezy
[04:51] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, adriyel
[04:51] <tomaj> imo gentoo is a great server distro because you install it and its optimised and then you leave it
[04:51] <adriyel> useless friggin bot.
[04:51] <tomaj> !breezy
[04:51] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:51] <trincamckee> pentiumIII is a i386 proessor?
[04:51] <tomaj> adriyel you can only use one word afaik
[04:51] <adriyel> tomaj, I prefer CentOS x86_64 for that purpose
[04:51] <Siph0n> hey, if i see arm-linux-gcc3.4.2 and also arm-linux-gcc (they are in light blue), does that mean they are commands?
[04:52] <NigelS> trincamckee: yeah
[04:52] <adriyel> trincamckee, no, its i686. its just that most software is compiled for i386 for compat reasons
[04:52] <adriyel> Siph0n, no, the gcc is prolly gcc 4
[04:52] <trincamckee> its just compatible?
[04:52] <adriyel> Siph0n, you want 3.4.2 trust me
[04:52] <Siph0n> k
[04:52] <Ep|phany> is 54Mbps good for a wireless router
[04:52] <NigelS> trincamckee: if you see something marked that, it's what you want to use basically
[04:52] <Ep|phany> thats its speed
[04:52] <adriyel> Siph0n, I still can't get hello_world.c to compile in gcc4...I sh1t you not
[04:52] <rain`> light blue is links and blue is folders
[04:52] <NigelS> trincamckee: though a kernel might be marked i686
[04:52] <Siph0n> oh k
[04:53] <Siph0n> lol well ill see if my partners have ne luck on monday :)
[04:53] <adriyel> NigelS, compiling a kernel for 686 is pointless unless your libs have been optimized as well, quoth the book of Gentoo, verses 5-7
[04:53] <phasegen> adriyel: still doesn't connect, this is supposed to be a machine to machine connection, intent is to share dialup
[04:53] <adriyel> Siph0n, you aren't giving up are you?
[04:53] <Siph0n> lol, no way.... maybe just taking a break
[04:53] <trincamckee> ok i got it
[04:53] <adriyel> phasegen, OHHHH, you need an adhoc connection then!
[04:53] <trincamckee> tks
[04:53] <Agrajag> adriyel: the kernel doesn't link into your userland libraries, gentoo doesn't have all the answers
[04:53] <Siph0n> been at it all yesterday and today
[04:53] <adriyel> phasegen, why didn't you say so?
[04:53] <NigelS> adriyel: ah but the book of gentoo doth also pronounce that thou shalt compile ls with -O3 and claim that thou canst tell the difference
[04:53] <phasegen> sorry...
[04:53] <Siph0n> and got work in a few hours :)
[04:54] <adriyel> Agrajag, ah yes, but the point in optimization is a faster/smoother experience, this cannot be obtained from optimizing the kernel only.
[04:54] <adriyel> NigelS, actually I always did a -Os
[04:54] <cajun> mail-notification wont' upgrade.  i have followed the directions and it just won't upgrade
[04:54] <Nothingman> why can't I run games when the SDL library is there?
[04:54] <cajun> is it safe to uninstall it then reinstall it?
[04:54] <Nothingman> I get an error saying it can't be found
[04:54] <adriyel> and if Gentoo doesn't have all the answers, then Slackware does.
[04:54] <adriyel> or FreeBSD.
[04:54] <NigelS> hmph.
[04:54] <adriyel> I was a gentoo user, not a gentoo ricer.
[04:55] <adriyel> I used the useflags more than anything...
[04:55] <adriyel> I always though it was funny when my -Os boxen would beat an O3 in a benchmark though....the ricers got *pissed* when that happened
[04:56] <vvarsendagger> NigelS, yes i am sure caps lock and there hasn't been anyaccess to my account
[04:56] <NigelS> I just thought the whole exercise was a glorious waste of CPU cycles. :)
[04:56] <vvarsendagger> i can look at my /etc/pssword
[04:56] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: how are you viewing that?
[04:56] <vvarsendagger> i am on a live cd right now
[04:57] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: ah good, what's the disk usage?
[04:57] <adriyel> NigelS, no, gentoo is good for some VERY specific applications. but for most purposes its not that great, thats why i use ubuntu now
[04:57] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: /etc/shadow is the file to check for pw hashes :)
[04:57] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: so change your password now
[04:57] <vvarsendagger> i really can't get into my ubuntu but i can open and alter whatever
[04:57] <superbeast> i wish i knew what i should do in that
[04:57] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: you need to chroot into your ubuntu root
[04:57] <vvarsendagger> ok ok
[04:57] <kevogod> What's a good bandwidth monitor/shaper?
[04:58] <adriyel> NigelS, if you're starving for cash and need to squeeze more performance out of your server, gentoo is a good way to plop and drop a server into the situation once its finished
[04:58] <Agrajag> Then you can set a new password
[04:58] <vvarsendagger> Agrajag, can you help me do that
[04:58] <Agrajag> a bit, sure
[04:58] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: if your pw is diff, I am bothered by why it is now diff, almost more than changing it back :)
[04:58] <vvarsendagger> true
[04:58] <superbeast> a lot of the options look familiar cause i configured some with sudo dpkg-reconfigure sserver xorg
[04:58] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: You have your ubuntu install mounted?
[04:58] <adriyel> superbeast, they should. what was your problem again? OH YEAH
[04:59] <NigelS> adriyel: I'm sure it is useful. Just don't tell the irritating fanbois I said so :)
[04:59] <adriyel> superbeast, you need to set your video driver to vesa
[04:59] <adriyel> superbeast, find the dialog for the driver and check to make sure it says vesa
[04:59] <superbeast> so what line am i changing?
[04:59] <superbeast> ok
[04:59] <vvarsendagger> i am looking at myu ubuntu /etc/shadow and there is a shadow and a shadow-
[04:59] <Agrajag> ok, don't mess with those just yet
[04:59] <vvarsendagger> ok
[05:00] <superbeast> ok i am having trouble leving that with X^ so how would i leave and save changes?
[05:00] <superbeast> *leaving
[05:00] <adriyel> NigelS, yeah, its really only good for servers that need a huge amount of speed or control over packages. its crap for stability, and I'd rather use OpenBSD for security, or CentOS 4.2 for a general purpose server
[05:00] <Nothingman> ./trigger: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:00] <Nothingman> but SDL is installed
[05:00] <Agrajag> ok, step one is, we're going to remove root's password entirely.
[05:00] <adriyel> NigelS, I just wish people would quit compiling for i386 *scowls at debian*
[05:00] <Nothingman> so is libsdl_image
[05:00] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: open up /etc/passwd on your install and find root's line.
[05:00] <adriyel> NigelS, if the majority of distro's would compile for i586 or i686 by default I would be gloriously happy
[05:01] <vvarsendagger> ok
[05:01] <Agrajag> Where it says "x", delete that character. Leave the rest of the line alone.
[05:01] <superbeast> adriyel you there?
[05:01] <adriyel> superbeast, yeah, whats up?
[05:01] <superbeast> 23:00:25) superbeast: ok i am having trouble leving that with X^ so how would i leave and save changes?
[05:01] <vvarsendagger> ok
[05:01] <adriyel> um, you want me to dig up where the driver thingy is?
[05:01] <ifup> can someone help me? I screwed up my somthing in the printing system is there a way to remove all config files  and start fresh?
[05:01] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: btw, if you do lock yourself out of a box like this, unless someone has passworded the kernel boot options you can always do the linux init=/bin/sh trick to deliver yourself to a root prompt
[05:01] <superbeast> no
[05:02] <superbeast> i want to know how to exit and save it
[05:02] <vvarsendagger> just a sec NigelS
[05:02] <adriyel> superbeast, you gotta preface all your text with my name, otherwise I won't see it...such as, "adriyel, foo and bar did"
[05:02] <Agrajag> wait.
[05:02] <Agrajag> I just thought of a much easier way.
[05:02] <Boobek> hi
[05:02] <adriyel> there are way too many people in here
[05:02] <rabeldable> anyone know of a music player that is similar to winamp on windowz.. I want to find streams of music on the net and play them on my linux box.
[05:02] <vvarsendagger> cool
[05:03] <Agrajag> Put that x back, go back into /etc/passwd, and remove the one from your user's line
[05:03] <ifup> rabeldable, I use streamtuner and xmms
[05:03] <onispawn> beep media player or xmms
[05:03] <Agrajag> you should then be able to log in as your user with no password when you reboot.
[05:03] <NigelS> adriyel: yeah, I agree it's making a lot less sense nowadays.
[05:03] <superbeast> adriyel,  i want to know how to exit and save it. right now i have to hit the reset button on my computer to exit lol
[05:03] <Agrajag> Then you can set a new password.
[05:03] <vvarsendagger> rabeldable, sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[05:03] <dducko> rabeldable, install streamtuner
[05:03] <rabeldable> coolio
[05:03] <dducko> or check out www.pandora.com
[05:03] <adriyel> NigelS, only things like smoothwall should be compiling for i386, and even then, i486 would be more appropiate
[05:03] <dducko> its pretty cool too
[05:03] <adriyel> superbeast, its ctrl-x and then hit y for yes
[05:03] <tito> Hi
[05:03] <superbeast> adriyel thanks
[05:03] <tito> I have a nvidia graphic card but opengl runs really slow
[05:04] <vvarsendagger> Agrajag, i have passwd and passwd-
[05:04] <adriyel> NigelS, stupid tradition. they wonder why idiotic concepts like compiling everything from source come along...you know why? BECAUSE YOU KEEP COMPILING IT FOR i386!
[05:04] <Agrajag> just passwd
[05:04] <adriyel> superbeast, sorry for not seeing text earlier
[05:04] <tomaj> superbeast did you have your problems solved
[05:04] <adriyel> gentoo ricers are the evil spawn of that
[05:04] <Agrajag> I believe passwd- is just a backup
[05:04] <adriyel> tomaj, working on it, patience.
[05:04] <vvarsendagger> ok
[05:05] <tomaj> adriyel im just helping you out ;)
[05:05] <NigelS> tito: you heed the nvidia drivers.  You can get them yourself from www.nvidia.com or from ubuntu I think
[05:05] <adriyel> tomaj,  :)
[05:05] <superbeast> tomaj, no i am rebooting now to fix
[05:05] <Agrajag> anyway, if it lets you log in with no password (it'll still ask for one, just hit enter) set a new password IMMEDIATELY
[05:05] <adriyel> !nvidia
[05:05] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:05] <Agrajag> Then you should be good to go
[05:05] <dducko> tito, if you can get the ones from apt, that would be best
[05:05] <vvarsendagger> how do i do that trick
[05:05] <adriyel> eat it up tito
[05:05] <Agrajag> what trick
[05:05] <adriyel> dducko, I ran nvidia.com's drivers...
[05:05] <adriyel> I think.
[05:05] <adriyel> lol
[05:05] <vvarsendagger> the one NigelS was talking aobut
[05:06] <adriyel> gah
[05:06] <dducko> A pain to set up with ubuntu
[05:06] <NigelS> adriyel: yeah, I guess the emperor's new clothes would be even more translucent if distros were a bit more optimised.
[05:06] <dducko> exporting gcc versions, incompaitable stuff installed
[05:06] <Agrajag> better ask him, I didn't see it
[05:06] <Nothingman> seriously, I've run ldconfig and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to it
[05:07] <Nothingman> doesn't make any flipping sense!
[05:07] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: if your bootloader isn't passworded you could get into a system with <image> rw init=/bin/sh
[05:07] <tomaj> dducko i've never had any problems with ubuntu so you must be trying to do something out of the ordinary
[05:07] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: but maybe the reason you can't log in would cause problems then too.
[05:07] <tomaj> dducko well i have but lets not talk about that
[05:07] <Agrajag> NigelS: I just had him remove his user's pw from /etc/password
[05:08] <tito> dducko, which ones? I have a GeForce4 440 Go 64M
[05:08] <Agrajag> NigelS: so he should be able to log in with no pw when he reboots, and set a new one
[05:08] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: see what Agrajag said you shouldn't need to do that now apparently
[05:08] <dducko> tomaj, I had the nvidia stuff from apt installed, decide i wanted nvidia's drivers
[05:08] <vvarsendagger> ok how do i ste a new pasword in cli
[05:08] <dducko> tito nvidia-glk
[05:08] <NigelS> Agrajag: thanks
[05:08] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: run passwd
[05:08] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: passwd
[05:08] <dducko> sorry nvidia-glx
[05:08] <vvarsendagger> NigelS, good to know
[05:08] <co-jgj> hallo
[05:08] <chi> how can i tell if i need to use the ndswrapper for my wireless card??
[05:08] <Agrajag> it'll ask for your old password (just hit enter) then enter a new one
[05:08] <Agrajag> hopefully it'll work, if not come back in here
[05:09] <tito> dducko, do you mean nvidia-glx?
[05:09] <dducko> tomaj, and the Kernel is compiled with gcc-3.4 and 4.0 is the default one.
[05:09] <dducko> tito yeah
[05:09] <vvarsendagger> NigelS, how would i enter that <imiage> rw init =/bin/sh
[05:09] <Agrajag> You might need to clear the entry out of shadow as well as passwd, but I don't think so
[05:09] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: you don't have to do that
[05:09] <vvarsendagger> rather where?
[05:09] <vvarsendagger> i won't but i'd like to know how
[05:09] <derrickw> can anybody help me with a video mode problem? i was trying to install fallout 2 under xwine and my screen goes black and my monitor flashes "unable to display this video mode"  then the fallout 2 setup screen appears in the top left corner of the screen for a moment and then closes. i havn't had any luck running any program that changes the screen resolution
[05:09] <Agrajag> vvarsendagger: the grub prompt
[05:10] <NigelS> vvarsendagger: not at the linux shell prompt, at the bootloader, so you know you can give options at grub/lilo, you do it there and it boots the kernel image with those options
[05:10] <dducko> tomaj, leared all kinds of new commands to get it working.. no x for half hour or so but I got it and all the better for knowing how to do it
[05:10] <tomaj> dducko why does that cause problems?
[05:10] <tito> dducko, then what do I do?
[05:10] <vvarsendagger> thanks a ton guys
[05:10] <NigelS> np
[05:10] <dducko> did you install that?
[05:10] <tito> dducko, yes
[05:10] <dducko> at the very bottom of the blurb it has  a command to run.
[05:10] <tito> I'm have had much exprince with linux just not ubuntu nor a nvidia
[05:11] <NigelS> night night all
[05:11] <tito> dducko, I do not see it
[05:11] <dducko> tomaj, it causes a problem if you dont know how to export,  and make it see the right gcc else it wont compile correctly for the kernel
[05:11] <dducko> one sec
[05:12] <dducko> tito, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:12] <tomaj> dducko why compile anything in the first place?
[05:12] <tito> dducko, this is the output i get http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:12] <derrickw> anybody know why programs that cause my screen resolution to change might fail? i had the same problem running alpha centauri. my monitor just says "cannot display this screen resolution". it's a dell LCD
[05:12] <dducko> tomaj, I installed the drivers from Nvidia, not the ones in Apt
[05:12] <Daniel_linuX> I have just downoaded Enemy Territory for linux and its a .run file? what command do i use to install it?
[05:12] <adriyel> dducko, no prob with that
[05:12] <dducko> tomaj, they have to be compiled
[05:12] <tito> dducko, thanks I'll restart xorg what the best way? ctrl+alt+backspace?
[05:12] <tomaj> dducko why on earth would you want to do that?
[05:13] <Nothingman> why can't I run any game that uses SDL?
[05:13] <dducko> tomaj, cause I wanted them.
[05:13] <dducko> Im anal.
[05:13] <n0odl3> how do i invoke bittorrent via terminal?
[05:13] <dducko> that works tito
[05:13] <tomaj> dducko well that's not a problem with ubuntu ;)
[05:13] <rabeldable> streamtuner rocks... its better than the windows streams
[05:14] <tomaj> dducko although i have to admit it's not very proffessional to compile a kernel with a different gcc version than that provided by default
[05:14] <dducko> tomaj, I just like the idea of haveing the rigth stuff installed,  and it was  a fun  learning new stuff
[05:14] <n0odl3> does anyone know how to invoke bittorrent via term>
[05:14] <n0odl3> ?
[05:15] <dducko> tomaj, messed up the kernel to begin with,  installed back down to normal 686 and fixed xorg and rebooted
[05:15] <Nothingman> ppracer: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:15] <tomaj> dducko fair enough and im glad you puller through hehe i tried installing drivers for ati in debian and i was overjoyed that it came as a package in ubuntu lol, i dont recomend the experience to anyone
[05:15] <jt> WHADDUP YAKS!
[05:15] <freddy> hrmm ppl, lets say i installed mozilla without installing it with apt-get, how can i install mozilla-mplayer without having to install the firefox it tells me it needs?
[05:16] <dducko> tomaj, got symantic and got rid of stuff and went back to the k7 kernel and got it going.. my most favorite linux expierience thus far
[05:16] <tomaj> freddy search in synaptic, it should solve all your problems automagically
[05:16] <n0odl3> does anyone know how to invoke bittorent through the terminal?
[05:16] <tomaj> n0odl3 tried typing bittorrent?
[05:16] <n0odl3> yes
[05:16] <tomaj> why terminal?
[05:16] <n0odl3> because im using openbox
[05:16] <MarcN>        n0odl3    btdownload<hit tab for options>
[05:17] <tito> Hi
[05:17] <Daniel_linuX> Can anyone help with install a .run file
[05:17] <Daniel_linuX> ?
[05:17] <Madpilot> Daniel_linuX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnemyTerritory
[05:17] <superbeast> i'm ubuntu
[05:17] <tito> dducko, thanks but i have one more issue
[05:17] <n0odl3> MarcN: i stopped a d/l how do i continue it?
[05:17] <Daniel_linuX> thanks
[05:17] <totaka> Hi, is there anyway to reboot ubuntu with normal user?
[05:17] <tito> glxgears one extreamly slow
[05:17] <totaka> My sudo broke:(
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> totaka, sure .. press the power button
[05:18] <dducko> mine are too,  I think i get about 700-800 with them
[05:18] <MarcN> n0odl3: bittorrent download?  just restart btdownload with the .torrent file
[05:18] <n0odl3> k
[05:18] <tito> dducko, no it like dead slow
[05:18] <tito> I have crappy on board using another distro and i get 392
[05:18] <totaka> wickedpuppy: I didn't want to do that.. is there any other way?
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> n0odl3, you are using azureus ?
[05:18] <tito> with the ones in ubuntu it doesn't evne give me a number
[05:18] <wickedpuppy> totaka, fix ya sudo .. without it you will be ... fish out of water
[05:19] <totaka> wickedpuppy: To fix it, I need to edit host file, but it requires root priviledge :(
[05:19] <n0odl3> wickedpuppt: no
[05:19] <Madpilot> tito: do actual 3d apps run OK?
[05:19] <wickedpuppy> n0odl3, ah k ... well nvm then
[05:20] <tito> Madpilot, tuxracer and ppracer do now the the nvidia-glx
[05:20] <tito> it just glxgears don't seem to be wokring
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> totaka, then you just have to reboot .. and boot into single mode to fix the sudoers .. what ya did ?
[05:20] <totaka> OK thanx for trying to help  anyway :(
[05:20] <wickedpuppy> tito, glxgears not working for a long time now
[05:20] <totaka> I changed host file thinking I was doing something wrong with hosts file
[05:20] <tito> wickedpuppy, another way to test it?
[05:20] <n0odl3> thanx MarcN
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> tito, if you can play tuxracer and puzzle bubble smoothly ..you got 3d acceleration
[05:21] <totaka> wickedpuppy: thanx, I will just power off
[05:21] <MarcN> n0odl3: no problem.
[05:21] <totaka> exit
[05:21] <tomaj> im off enjoy your support tetris :)
[05:21] <Madpilot> tito: then forget glxgears - it's not always reliable...
[05:21] <solidgroove> glxgears doesnt show fps
[05:22] <wickedpuppy> solidgroove, used to ..
[05:22] <solidgroove> no man either
[05:23] <solidgroove> is there a page that has lists of repos and what they have, or at least a list?
[05:23] <tito> oh ok thanks guys
[05:24] <tito> My younger cousin is gonna love ubuntu
[05:24] <Agrajag> solidgroove, wickedpuppy: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[05:24] <Madpilot> solidgroove: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <Agrajag> god I love that
[05:24] <solidgroove> Madpilot, thanks
[05:25] <chi> holy crap i hate dsl
[05:27] <solidgroove> how do I add dapper?
[05:27] <solidgroove> there isnt a line i can input to sources.list for it
[05:27] <wickedpuppy> solidgroove, change breezy to dapper
[05:28] <wickedpuppy> Agrajag, who came up with that ... lol
[05:28] <wickedpuppy> my average FPS is about 3k ...
[05:28] <Agrajag> wickedpuppy: people who got sick of treating it as a benchmark apparently
[05:29] <Agrajag> wickedpuppy: SEE
[05:29] <Trustkill> i i was woundering if there is anyway to install ubuntu with gnome without installing all the apps that comes with it
[05:29] <Agrajag> SEE
[05:29] <Agrajag> j'accuse!
[05:29] <wickedpuppy> Trustkill, like what kind of app ?
[05:29] <Grug> hey guys - know where to get Java runtime for ubuntu ppc?
[05:29] <Trustkill> gaim xchat all music app firevox etc...
[05:30] <wickedpuppy> Trustkill, you can remove them after installing ... but then i would like to know why you need gnome if you are not going to use X
[05:30] <Trustkill> i want some apps but i wanna choose wich want i want installed
[05:30] <Trustkill> wich ones*
[05:31] <wickedpuppy> Trustkill, then you got to remove after install ... or maybe expert install ? i never tried that before
[05:31] <sambagirl> there are 3 version i see of Vista, FreeB, OpenEMR and OpenEMR for Mandrake.rpm if i am using ubuntu would i download OpenEMR?
[05:31] <Trustkill> custom install?
[05:31] <sambagirl> actually i am using Kubuntu
[05:31] <wickedpuppy> Trustkill, i thought its called experty install ... anyway whatever its called .. its not normal install
[05:31] <wickedpuppy> expert
[05:31] <Shadowline> hey, anyone know if linux has a equivlent to net send ?
[05:32] <Trustkill> ok u mean server installation only
[05:32] <wickedpuppy> Trustkill, yes
[05:32] <Trustkill> well guess ill try it
[05:32] <wickedpuppy> then you add gnome ... and add whatever app later
[05:33] <Trustkill> alright ill try it right about now
[05:33] <Grug> anybody know where to get java sdk for ubuntu ppc version?
[05:35] <intelikey> package bsdutils  what the heck is it ?
[05:35] <dducko> Shadowline, for linux machines, or to a windows machine?
[05:35] <ian> Anybody having azureus working with JRE 1.5?
[05:35] <aeon17x> ian: The one from Sun? I do.
[05:35] <IcemanV9> for pete's sake, how can I make qemu to run FASTER???
[05:36] <Shadowline> dducko: to a win box
[05:36] <ian> aeon17x: Great. Whats the performance like?
[05:36] <dducko> Shadowline, hang on a sec
[05:36] <IcemanV9> installation of ubuntu inside qemu is SOO slow!
[05:36] <ian> I mean memory utilisation as opposed to download speed.
[05:36] <aeon17x> Not bad, performs just about the same as the other Java.
[05:38] <SuseUX> My uncle has to run "sudo client" everytime to start his network up, any ideas?
[05:38] <aeon17x> It consumes between 250-350 MiB of virtual memory for me.
[05:38] <ian> aeon17x: Could you point me in the direction of a good How To for setting up JRE 1.5?
[05:38] <aeon17x> !java
[05:38] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:38] <dducko> Shadowline, http://www.littleigloo.org/software_002.php3
[05:39] <Xenguy> SuseUX: check /etc/network/interfaces ?
[05:39] <dducko> Shadowline, http://ubuntuguide.org/#linpopup
[05:39] <Shadowline> dducko: looking...thxs
[05:39] <adriyel> I have returned
[05:39] <adriyel> something smells....smells like an RPM distro...alright...who's got an RPM distro?
[05:39] <kevogod> !ubuntuguide
[05:39] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[05:39] <SuseUX> Xenguy, he runs a USB modem
[05:40] <adriyel> aha!
[05:40] <adriyel> theres the smelly perpetrator.
[05:40] <Xenguy> SuseUX: never used one of those
[05:40] <adriyel> SuseUX, you wouldn't perchance be using SuSE would you?
[05:40] <Xenguy> adriyel: that dastardly culprit!
[05:40] <Xenguy> :-)
[05:40] <SuseUX> it works but just I have to run that for him everytime
[05:40] <SuseUX> adriyel, no Slackware
[05:41] <Xenguy> heh
[05:41] <adriyel> SuseUX, hold on. You're got the name of SuSE, in an ubuntu channel, using Slackware?
[05:41] <SuseUX> yes
[05:41] <adriyel> SuseUX, what drugs are you using, and can you send me some?
[05:41] <misfit_toy> me too
[05:41] <SuseUX> no all out
[05:41] <Xenguy> adriyel: it is a little confusing we admit
[05:41] <dducko> kevogod, yeah, but some things are much easier to find in that guide.
[05:41] <SuseUX> I'm known by SuseUX
[05:41] <SuseUX> thats all
[05:41] <adriyel> Xenguy, don't we usually redirect them at this point to #slackware? or perhaps /dev/null if we don't like them?
[05:41] <Xenguy> hehe
[05:42] <adriyel> seriously, theres 561 (l)users in here, we don't need other distro's users too...
[05:42] <SuseUX> who cares?
[05:42] <adriyel> its just odd.
[05:43] <Xenguy> SuseUX: well actually there are some people who do -- I've seen it
[05:43] <dducko> Least they know where to come to get help.
[05:43] <adriyel> !my_sanity
[05:43] <ubotu> adriyel: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:43] <adriyel> thought so.
[05:43] <SuseUX> Xenguy, thats there problem not mine
[05:44] <Xenguy> SuseUX: hahah, yes and the universe revolves around your left nostril too :-)
[05:44] <adriyel> btw, notice to all users, if terminal isn't starting up and you've recently edited/created/deleted terminal profiles, close all terms and reopen accordingly because it starts crashing after you've edited profiles without closing all of them afterwards
[05:44] <SuseUX> i'm just asking a question in the end about ubuntu
[05:45] <SuseUX> :-)
[05:45] <dducko> HHGTTG?
[05:45] <adriyel> SuseUX, actually I came in here under the distro "Blag 30k1" and one of the helpers here tried to lead a crusade/lynch mob after me because I wasn't using ubuntu at that immediate second, so yes indeed, some people do care
[05:45] <dducko> Hungry Hippos got to taste good?
[05:45] <_native_> i want to have gnome-terminal start in fullscreen mode but don't know what geomtry to option to use.
[05:45] <Xenguy> dducko: Hitchhikers Guide to ...
[05:45] <dducko> Ahh.. yeah
[05:45] <adriyel> Xenguy, I love Hitchhikers, and I understood the acronym
[05:45] <adriyel> insensitive clod.
[05:45] <dducko> heh.. I need to watch/read
[05:46] <SuseUX> adriyel, thats why I keep the name, so Linux people will get over it
[05:46] <i3dmaster> Is it necessary to keep apmd on while also having acpid and acpi-support there too?
[05:46] <Xenguy> I think I'll read the book now
[05:46] <adriyel> _native_, you want gnome-terminal in full screen? try hitting this key combo: ctrl-alt-F2
[05:46] <adriyel> *snickers*
[05:47] <adriyel> ...
[05:47] <WindowsXP> hows that?
[05:47] <adriyel> thats just wrong man.
[05:47] <Xenguy> hehe
[05:47] <dducko> Anyone know if Blank got everything figured how?
[05:47] <dducko> out*
[05:47] <adriyel> go die plz, kthx.
[05:47] <blackhat> windows xp get outta here
[05:47] <_native_> adriyel; yes i know i wanty the default startup in fullscreen
[05:47] <blackhat> xp sucks!
[05:47] <adriyel> _native_, set the geometry to your resolution
[05:48] <Debian> ?
[05:48] <Xenguy> WindowsXP: this strategy will only work as long as you are amusing enough not to be /ignored ;-)
[05:48] <adriyel> note to self, edit the cron daemon to rm -rf /dev/WindowsXP immediately
[05:48] <Debian> thats better :-)
[05:48] <adriyel> Debian, the motherland!
[05:48] <adriyel> lol.
[05:48] <_native_> ahh so just gnome-terminal --geometry=1024x768.
[05:48] <adriyel> Debian is the progenitor of like 42436 different distro's.
[05:48] <adriyel> _native_, I would guess so, but why do you want to make a windowed terminal fullscreen?
[05:48] <adriyel> SuseUX, just so you know, I dislike SuSE for what they did to multimedia support.
[05:48] <Juhaz> _native_, how about gnome-terminal --full-screen
[05:48] <adriyel> Juhaz, show off.
[05:49] <adriyel> why am I listening to classical music with organs?
[05:49] <SuseUX> adriyel, yer, I've heard it all before, it's not there fault
[05:49] <_native_> judaz ahh so that option was ommitted from the man page.
[05:49] <dducko> Its good stuff.
[05:50] <adriyel> SuseUX, actually it is their fault. They took purposeful measures to make it nigh impossible to install support for mp3/dvd, whereas Ubuntu merely didn't include it
[05:50] <dducko> i have www.pandora.com running.. some weird combos of music
[05:50] <jburd> _native_, try   gnome-terminal --help
[05:50] <adriyel> they stripped out support for non-open codecs on a SOURCE level SuseUX, so that people would have to buy their commercial product, which is bullsh!t
[05:50] <SuseUX> adriyel, SuSE is german and they have patent laws about dvd encryption
[05:50] <Juhaz> _native_, seems to work rather erratically, though
[05:50] <adriyel> SuseUX, the US has the same laws.
[05:50] <SuseUX> and decryption
[05:51] <paullywaully> how do you get channel lists  for  servers
[05:51] <adriyel> SuseUX, its irrelevant, Ubuntu is under the same restrictions, the difference is the measures they took to be legal
[05:51] <dducko> paullywaully, /list
[05:51] <_native_> yeah i thought that it would be just that simple and was confused as to why there was no --full-screen option listed in the man page.
[05:51] <SuseUX> who give a shit it's only two packages anyway
[05:51] <adriyel> SuseUX, Ubuntu merely didn't include them out of respect for the law, but they didn't purpose strip out support from the source to make it impossible to install support
[05:51] <Ophiocus> while were on the subject may i say: evangelising people to use ubuntu; insert a cd in your drive, and let them see the glory of sound juicer show the actual song name and author
[05:51] <adriyel> SuseUX, they did it to force people to buy their commercial product, there is no reason for them to do that
[05:51] <SuseUX> ubuntu dont supply mp3 by deafult becuas eof that same thing
[05:51] <adriyel> SuseUX, you aren't listening, and I'm getting annoyed
[05:52] <Agrajag> adriyel: does sue provide a compiler?
[05:52] <Agrajag> er, suse
[05:52] <dducko> But you can get it within a few moments
[05:52] <SuseUX> yer talkng BS
[05:52] <adriyel> SuseUX, all you need to do is install the package yourself, no problem, if you're in ubuntu, thats still legal
[05:52] <dducko> And not in a country where it is illegal
[05:53] <dducko> Like the US....
[05:53] <_native_> damn --full-screen does not work at all not even close
[05:53] <adriyel> SuseUX, in suse, it doesn't work that way, they compiled all the apps to disable support for those codecs, seriously man, go on google and do a little reading, educate yourself
[05:53] <Tired_> Hello.  Is there a decent tool for diagnosing faulty hardware in the Ubuntu repositories?
[05:53] <adriyel> dducko, actually, I am in the US, and my ubuntu has dvd and mp3 support. law be damned in that respect, draconian POS's.
[05:53] <SuseUX> get a life and look at packman website and get media support
[05:53] <dylan_> does anybody know if gnome or kde is faster?
[05:53] <dducko> so am I and so does mine
[05:54] <adriyel> SuseUX, lol, and thats a 3rd party website, and it requires a bit of work to get everything working
[05:54] <adriyel> SuseUX, SuSE made it difficult, on...purpose.
[05:54] <adriyel> sorry, but, I'll drop the whole thing and stick with ubby.
[05:54] <SuseUX> hwho cares when I ran SuSE it was no problem
[05:54] <_native_> whats all this suse talk. ;-]
[05:55] <dducko> Yeah,, get back on the stuff that matters, right Ubotu
[05:55] <adriyel> _native_, I hate Novell's business practices, thats all
[05:55] <SuseUX> adriyel, your attitude gives Linux a bad name
[05:55] <Ep|phany> when im trying to use vncviewer and i type the ip it tells me in terminal VNC server supports protocol version 4.0 (viewer 3.3)
[05:55] <Ep|phany> VNC connection failed: No supported security type for 3.3 client
[05:55] <Ep|phany> is there anyway around that?
[05:55] <dducko> Update your windows software?
[05:55] <adriyel> SuseUX, your ignorance of how difficult measures that must be taken on Suse to get non-open formats working is why people still wonder why Linux hasn't dominated the desktop
[05:55] <Tired_> I came home today to my computer rather fervently trashing the hard drive, so no logs, and I'd like to know why it did that before I install a new OS.
[05:55] <adriyel> Tired_, huh?
[05:56] <Tired_> yes, that was roughly my reaction
[05:56] <adriyel> specifics?
[05:56] <SuseUX> adriyel, Why did you bring me into this pointless conversation?, I DONT USE SUSE
[05:56] <dducko> Ep|phany, have you updated the software on your windows box?
[05:56] <SuseUX> so STFU
[05:56] <adriyel> I don't remember how it started, drop it.
[05:57] <_native_> SuseUX; its because suse is not a real open source distro they include proprietary stuff. ubuntu is real about things and offers a true open-source platform if you want mp3 just install the libmad0 lib its that simple.
[05:57] <adriyel> SuseUX, ack, thats the limit, not shut the hell up, now. drop it
[05:57] <Ophiocus> SuseUX, theres something about your nick, i dont know what, that kinda leads one to a wrong way
[05:57] <Tired_> i have none.  when i left it was fine, when I came back, there was a blank screen and a loud noise from the hard drive.  i cycled power, and it wouldn't boot past the bios.  when i used a live cd, there was no data on the hard drive.
[05:57] <SuseUX> amazing
[05:57] <adriyel> Tired_, were you using Ubuntu?
[05:57] <SuseUX> I used ubuntu my uncle uses it, satified?
[05:57] <adriyel> that was a serious question
[05:57] <Tired_> no.  i'm looking for an Ubuntu-based method of diagnosing the hardware failure involved
[05:58] <Aven> fuck, man :((
[05:58] <adriyel> Tired_, what operating system was it?
[05:58] <solidgroove> ow
[05:58] <Xenguy> Tired_: I assume your hard-drive is toast -- what of it, hardware fails sometimes
[05:58] <adriyel> Tired_, if the answer to my question is a negative, telling me what the OS actually *is* is generally helpful
[05:58] <adriyel> Xenguy, hold on.
[05:58] <SuseUX> adriyel, your a serious fanboy
[05:59] <adriyel> the Ubuntu live-cd as great as it is, is intended as a tool of evangelism, not system recovery
[05:59] <Ophiocus> samsung drive will go beserk after two month running with over 70% of space used
[05:59] <adriyel> SuseUX, your grammar sucks.
[05:59] <_native_> ubuntu can do everthing ubuntu can do if you have a problem its a simple fact of either installing software of configuration error by the admin.
[05:59] <Tired_> i had been experiencing other less dramatic glitches with the video card and the power supply...i strongly suspect hardware issues, but I want to rule that out before I invest a lot of effort on a new install
[05:59] <adriyel> shut up kid, drop it now
[05:59] <frontovik> hi does ubuntu cd contain lesstif?
[05:59] <adriyel> Tired_, ffs, WHAT OPERATING SYSTEM?
[05:59] <_native_> duh omg *suse
[05:59] <dabaR> SuseUX: please stop speaking to adriyel your conversation is over,. both of you.
[05:59] <_native_> :-P
 dabar wants you to know: it has been said that conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[05:59] <adriyel> dabaR, I asked him to do that earlier *scowls*
[05:59] <Aven> huh?
[05:59] <_native_> i was not paying attention to what i was typing.
[05:59] <Tired_> adrigel, windows XP
[05:59] <dabaR> Aven: do not swear in the channel please.
[05:59] <JaMiNkLe> what file system does ubuntu use??
[05:59] <Grug> i love xp... but ubuntu is pretty nice
[05:59] <crimsun> JaMiNkLe: by default ext3
[06:00] <Aven> dabaR, what was that link about though?
[06:00] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: many different ones can be used.
[06:00] <silversurfer> ubuntu owns xp
[06:00] <SuseUX> he's a arse, just because he see a person with a name other than ubuntu is sets the small minded troll off
[06:00] <_native_> ubuntu is first class.
[06:00] <dabaR> Aven: so you can know about ubuntu community conduct.
[06:00] <Tired_> exactly why I didn't want to bring it up.
[06:00] <Grug> not in my opinion, but ok :)
[06:00] <Aven> oh ok
[06:00] <adriyel> Tired_, is it possible that the WindowsXP machine got raped by a virus/hax0r?
[06:00] <dducko> Grug, I was xp for liek 2 years, went Ubuntu cold turkey.. best thing I ever did
[06:00] <Tired_> sure, but i'd like to rule out hardware failure before assuming that
[06:00] <_native_> locally i have been promoting it to the local news stations.
[06:00] <adriyel> dducko, dual-booter. /dev/sda for stability,  /dev/sdb for experimentation
[06:01] <Tired_> since it also had issues when gentoo was installed
[06:01] <Grug> ubuntu is good for being free
[06:01] <caonex> anybody using latest fglrx ati drivers?
[06:01] <adriyel> Tired_, there really isn't anyway to go about this, other than running bonnie++ or hdparm from a livecd, than to just try installing an operating system and seeing what happens
[06:01] <Weirdbro> I need help creating a bootable cd
[06:01] <Weirdbro> I downloaded the cd
[06:02] <frontovik> anybody using lesstif in ubuntu?
[06:02] <Tired_> so there's no cpu frequency testers, motherboard sensor monitoring programs, etc?
[06:02] <intelikey> small minded troll ??????   what did i miss?   some one call me?
[06:02] <Weirdbro> but now it tells me I need a floppy drive
[06:02] <dducko> adriyel, well I didnt do it on purpose, i tried another distro (aLinux) that wiped my windows partion without asking.  So i tossed that cd and installed Ubuntu
[06:02] <adriyel> Weirdbro, did you burn the iso ONTO the disc, or did you burn the disc from the iso?
[06:02] <adriyel> dducko, heh, aLinux sucks.
[06:02] <_native_> Weirdbro; use gnome-baker its in universe repos and click burn image.
[06:02] <adriyel> dducko, the dev's of that distro are somewhat arrogant though
[06:02] <Weirdbro> My burner has a make bootablew option
[06:03] <dabaR> Weirdbro: what program did you burn it in?
[06:03] <adriyel> Weirdbro, what operating system are you in?
[06:03] <Weirdbro> but is there any way to boot from a disk without a floppy drive?
[06:03] <Grug> i wish ubuntu (linux) had a lot better looking fonts and layout... looks messy compared to xp...
[06:03] <adriyel> Weirdbro, yes there is
[06:03] <stevejesus> oh dear, whats uo guys
[06:03] <stevejesus> your gonna love this one
[06:03] <dabaR> Weirdbro: yes, you do not need a floppy drive at all.
[06:03] <Tired_> or even something i can leave running overnight to produce logs of the voltage over time and under load?
[06:03] <adriyel> Grug, after theming my ubuntu up it looks beautiful
[06:03] <Weirdbro> Ok
[06:03] <stevejesus> my ubuntu box has spyware
[06:03] <adriyel> stevejesus, is that possible?
[06:03] <Grug> but not having to 'activate' ubuntu ROCKS
[06:03] <frontovik> lesstif anyone using?
[06:03] <_native_> stevejesus; how?
[06:03] <Xenguy> stevejesus: ?
[06:03] <dducko> adriyel, I was still learning.. heh. I had just spent a day in a command line with Gentoo,  got a Xserver up and running... decided i didnt want to wait 24 hours for Gnome to compile..
[06:03] <adriyel> stevejesus, seriously?
[06:03] <Ophiocus> stevejesus, stop getting into pr0n sites
[06:03] <_native_> stevejesus; how do you know that?
[06:03] <stevejesus> well you tell me let me tell you what happens
[06:03] <Weirdbro> so, how do I?
[06:03] <adriyel> stevejesus, jesus says pr0n is bad for you...so are crack-kiddy sites.
[06:04] <Grug> how to theme ubuntu?
[06:04] <dabaR> Weirdbro: what program are yo using for burning the cd?
[06:04] <Madpilot> Grug: System menu - Prefs - Theme
[06:04] <frontovik> jeez ..thanks everyone!
[06:04] <Weirdbro> recordNow
[06:04] <adriyel> Grug, download tar.gz files from www.gnome-look.org and install from System Menu - Prefs - Theme
[06:04] <adriyel> my ubuntu is freaking beautiful
[06:04] <Weirdbro> Its what came on my stupid windows comp
[06:04] <Madpilot> frontovik: what is lesstif?
[06:04] <Grug> ok i'm gonna try that... this current look is downright toyish looking
[06:04] <adriyel> Grug, yeah, mines purdy.
[06:04] <stevejesus> i load up firefox 1.07 and i get this "webseek" page.  when i go to the firefox properties page there is no new homepage setting.  i try to set it to about:blank and i"webseek" is still me home page!
[06:05] <Madpilot> !tell Grug about themese
[06:05] <adriyel> good luck Grug
[06:05] <Madpilot> !tell Grug about themes
[06:05] <dabaR> Weirdbro: what program, we cant tell you how if we do not know with what<-
[06:05] <Grug> these fonts look fuzzy, large and ugly compared to XPs...
[06:05] <adriyel> lol @ maddy.
[06:05] <_native_> stevejesus; why do you think you have spyware?
[06:05] <Grug> ok i'm gonna THEME away :)
[06:05] <adriyel> _native_, a good question, but I blame the pr0n
[06:05] <Tired_> wow, that's a rather large hole for enterprise sysadmins...how do they test their server hardware?
[06:05] <stevejesus> because i cant change the homepage.  it has affected firefox somehow
[06:05] <Madpilot> adriyel: let he who never makes a typo cast the first keyboard! ;)
[06:05] <Weirdbro> I said, RecordNow
[06:05] <stevejesus> im not sure how.  must be java spyware
[06:05] <Ron_o> Grug, if you're worried about the frontend, maybe you should stick to what you know best.
[06:05] <adriyel> Grug, changing out fonts from preferences might help as well. I think you can make use of windows fonts if you have them available somewhere
[06:05] <Tired_> overclockers must be awfully disappointed, too
[06:05] <Ron_o> Theming is the simplest part of any OS.
[06:06] <dabaR> Tired_: haha, enterprise sysadmins dont test hardware, they replace it.
[06:06] <stevejesus> i just cant believe
[06:06] <adriyel> Madpilot, *chucks the scroll lock key at you* never needed the thing anyways.
[06:06] <intelikey> steve does it goto about blank when you click home ?
[06:06] <dabaR> stevejesus: bah. You dont have spyware. period.
[06:06] <adriyel> dabaR, indeed. zero risk only.
[06:06] <Madpilot> adriyel: :) ... what *is* a Scroll Lock key good for, anyway?
[06:07] <adriyel> stevejesus, omg, you do not have spyware.
[06:07] <Weirdbro> so, any advice?
[06:07] <stevejesus> yes it does go back to about:blank when i click home
[06:07] <adriyel> Madpilot, been looking for years, never found out why. its like an appendix or a wisdom tooth
[06:07] <Ron_o> the thing that made me laugh the most about the ubuntu reviews, was so many people complained about the wallpaper.
[06:07] <dabaR> stevejesus: what did you install that you think would have spyware? did you install anything not ubuntu?
[06:07] <adriyel> Madpilot, maybe some ancient IBM/Mainframe hacker knows...
[06:07] <stevejesus> but when i launch i still get this "webseek"
[06:07] <adriyel> some old guy with cobwebs in his ears
[06:07] <_native_> stevejesus; thats not spyware its newbie paranoia.
[06:07] <Tired_> if a sysadmin bought a new $2000 workstation every time it panicked, he'd be fired
[06:07] <ahoora> hi
[06:07] <ahoora> how can i install g++ ?
[06:07] <dabaR> !be
[06:07] <adriyel> Tired_, no, but if he thought the hard drive was questionable, he'd just throw the old one out and buy a new one
[06:07] <ubotu> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:07] <dabaR> ahoora: ^ ubotu
[06:07] <adriyel> Tired_, ditto for ram. you can't risk more hardware with risky hardware
[06:07] <Madpilot> adriyel: heh... the sort who hang out on Usenet's comp.sysadmin.fossils :)
[06:08] <stevejesus> i have crossover office 5.0 but i dont have anything programs that didnt come directly from CD with the exception of noteworthy composer.  but i installed that 2 weeks ago
[06:08] <ahoora> thnx
[06:08] <adriyel> Madpilot, prolly. should we raid them for info?
[06:08] <Weirdbro> so, I have RecordNow, no floppy drive, how do I burn the .iso to the cd and boot it?
[06:08] <Tired_> what if he didn't know what to question?
[06:08] <intelikey> steve then maybe you have it set to open the last page you visited upon startup.......
[06:08] <stevejesus> i have crossover 5.0 solely for running noteworthy composer.  and that install file has been setting on my personal file server for months
[06:08] <adriyel> does anyone else have transparency enabled in XChat?
[06:08] <adriyel> or their terminals?
[06:08] <dabaR> Tired_: his answer is misleading. backups.
[06:08] <tritium> adriyel, sometimes, why?
[06:08] <stevejesus> as a matter of fact i have been using that exact installer for more than 2 years!
[06:08] <dducko> I do soemtimes.. not terminals
[06:08] <stevejesus> spywaree!
[06:09] <adriyel> intelikey, indeed.
[06:09] <hit3k> close
[06:09] <adriyel> dducko, its purdy, because my background has a sky in it
[06:09] <dducko> http://www.myimagehub.com/files/603/desktop1.png
[06:09] <Madpilot> adriyel: in my Terminal, yeah
[06:09] <Weirdbro> So, can anyone help me?
[06:09] <adriyel> dducko, I feel like God...sings, "terminal in the skyyyyyyyyy"
[06:09] <fatehaze> I'm gonna dual-boot Ubuntu and OSX on my powerbook, do I need to completely reformat?
[06:09] <dducko> *rolls eyes*
[06:09] <adriyel> dducko, its like the terminal that commands the world :D :D
[06:09] <fatehaze> Or can I just make a partition for Ubuntu from free disk space?
[06:09] <dabaR> Weirdbro: burn as image, a disk image. and set bios to boot from cd, and then reboot.
[06:10] <Amaranth> !mac
[06:10] <ubotu> No idea, Amaranth
[06:10] <adriyel> fatehaze, nah, you should be able to resize it...(right guys?)
[06:10] <Amaranth> hrm
[06:10] <Weirdbro> ok
[06:10] <stevejesus> fatehaze:  yes.  i dont know of any non-destructive partitioners for apple
[06:10] <_native_> stevejesus; all i can say is if your concerded about security there is plenty of info about securing linux to enterprise level standards.
[06:10] <dabaR> Amaranth: macusers has something.
[06:10] <fatehaze> Can I do that from the Ubuntu installer?
[06:10] <adriyel> fatehaze, I stand corrected.
[06:10] <Tired_> actually my question was misleading.  let me be blunt.  is there any way at all, usin tools available in the ubuntu repositories, to record temperatures, voltagelevels and other data, under load, for an extended period of time, like memtest86 can do for ram?
[06:10] <Weirdbro> Recordnow won't let me brun as image without having a floppy to put boot data on
[06:10] <Amaranth> !macusers
[06:10] <ubotu> Amaranth: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:10] <Madpilot> Weirdbro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:10] <fatehaze> stevejesus: that seemed to be the general consensus, thanks for the confirmation :)
[06:10] <Amaranth> *cough*
[06:10] <Weirdbro> Thanks
[06:10] <dabaR> Amaranth: or not...browse the !list
[06:10] <adriyel> _native_, enterprise LINUX level standards....windows enterprise standards are a little different...(cough)
[06:11] <stevejesus> fatehaze:  if you ever have any apple linux questions then ask away.
[06:11] <_native_> adriyel; yeah
[06:11] <_native_> ;-]
[06:11] <tritium> fatehaze, the installer can resize existing partitions, although I'm not familiar with the PPC installer
[06:11] <ahoora> and how can i fix g++ include libraries
[06:11] <ahoora> ?
[06:11] <stevejesus> fatehaze:  or apple questions in general
[06:11] <SSJiffy> hello
[06:11] <adriyel> _native_, personally, if I wanted a maximum of security, I'd either install OpenBSD or unplug the cord.
[06:11] <dabaR> ahoora: that is completely unspecific, and unanswerable
[06:11] <tritium> ahoora, what do you mean by fix?
[06:11] <Amaranth> dabaR: I tend to use the bot as little as possible. Someone else can find it.
[06:11] <adriyel> _native_, otherwise, just do some basic maintenance/config stuff on Linux
[06:11] <intelikey> steve also riding your box of "spyware" if it is there should be as simple as rm -rf /home/blah     and restart.
[06:12] <dabaR> Amaranth: I thought you wanted it
[06:12] <SSJiffy> Hello
[06:12] <stevejesus> this is definitely java spyware.  i read about this somewhere or another a few months back.
[06:12] <Amaranth> dabaR: nope, someone else
[06:12] <adriyel> _native_, typically, security, isn't something I need to ever ever ever worry about on Linux, its like asking people how to secure MacOS X on a desktop machine...why bother?
[06:12] <Grug> hmmm... well the themes are pretty much all the same...
[06:12] <SSJiffy> My GRUB install is freaking out on me.
[06:12] <Grug> guess i'll try to download some
[06:12] <_native_> adriyel; linux can be more secure than openbsd theses days.
[06:12] <ahoora> tritium :| in the first days of using linux i overwrited include libraries .h files with windows files
[06:12] <SSJiffy> It's all blurred and won't boot windows.
[06:12] <Agrajag> stevejesus: so back up your bookmarks and wipe out your firefox profile
[06:12] <ahoora> so now i can not do anything with g++
[06:12] <SSJiffy> it says error.
[06:12] <tritium> ahoora, apt-get has a --reinstall option
[06:12] <stevejesus> i think to confirm i will take my entire firefox history for the day and load all the pages in osx firefox via an automater script
[06:12] <adriyel> _native_, that so? mv /etc/rc.d/* /dev/null <--- is that how? lol :P
[06:12] <SSJiffy> Anyone know how to fix grub?
[06:12] <dabaR> intelikey: I must say that is the worst advice I heard in a while
[06:13] <tritium> ahoora, use it to reinstall those files that you've overwritten
[06:13] <ahoora> tritium doesn't help
[06:13] <Madpilot> Grug: did you get that msg from ubotu w/ all the URLs for themes?
[06:13] <tritium> ahoora, how can it not help?
[06:13] <fatehaze> My other question is, is dual-booting Ubuntu and OSX even a good idea?  Any weirdness I should know about?
[06:13] <dabaR> adriyel: dont say that in a newb channel
[06:13] <intelikey> thank you dabaR :)
[06:13] <adriyel> dabaR, sorry.
[06:13] <Grug> yeah, thanks ubotu for the URLs
[06:13] <Amaranth> intelikey: Please don't tell people to break their computers.
[06:13] <Grug> gonna try
[06:13] <tritium> Grug, ubotu is a bot :)
[06:13] <stevejesus> i ahve flippin spyware in ubuntu.  lol.
[06:13] <adriyel> dabaR, I did address _native_ directly though. one would assume a person wouldn't just execute a random cmd...
[06:13] <dabaR> SSJiffy: fix it how? be specific wehat you want and what you dont have
[06:13] <stevejesus> osx will verify this
[06:13] <adriyel> dabaR, but then again
[06:13] <tritium> stevejesus, no way, dude...
[06:13] <dducko> *shakes head*
[06:14] <intelikey> like that will break anything.......   come on....
[06:14] <ahoora> tritium it doesn't fix libraries .. i asked someone here gave me the right command to fix libraries but after that there are some mismatch with another libraries lol
[06:14] <adriyel> quoth, "one does not simply ssh into mordor"
[06:14] <dducko> Im gonna go play some NWN, Yall have fun.
[06:14] <dducko> lmao
[06:14] <intelikey> cleaning out your home dir doesn't break your computer....
[06:14] <tritium> ahoora, then you don't have a full grasp of which files you overwrote
[06:14] <Amaranth> intelikey: Things don't start if they can't create files in your $HOME.
[06:14] <dabaR> ahoora: are you compiling something and its not compiling?
[06:14] <SSJiffy> My friend tried to install ubuntu with grub, dabaR
[06:14] <stevejesus> tritium:  i am about to back up my history and load it into osx firefox and see if i get java spy ware there too
[06:14] <tritium> ahoora, if you reinstall every package which contains files that were overwritten, you'd restore it
[06:14] <ahoora> davaR yes it gives too many errors
[06:14] <adriyel> Amaranth, did someone just lock themselves out of $HOME or something?
[06:14] <Grug> ubotu is a bot?  lol
[06:14] <ubotu> Grug: What?
[06:14] <_native_> adriyel; why bother uh because its needed. thats a common misconception but i tell you as a greyhat my self the first thing i would do is attack defenceless desktops then spread to more important targets using the cracked desktops.
[06:14] <adriyel> Grug, yes, ubotu is a bot
[06:14] <intelikey> Amaranth but removing every thing in your home doesn't cause that
[06:14] <pavelich> how do you find where all your programs that are installed but not in your menus are
[06:14] <Grug> fooled me i guess
[06:15] <Grug> heh
[06:15] <Amaranth> adriyel: No, intelikey was telling someone to rm /home/blah
[06:15] <Grug> <- LinuxN00b
[06:15] <dabaR> tritium are you at all getting what he is trying to fix "libraries" for:)?
[06:15] <tritium> stevejesus, lol
[06:15] <Amaranth> intelikey: rm -rf /home/blah/* != rm -rf /home/blah
[06:15] <SSJiffy> dabaR: GRUB has Windows XP listed, but when we select it, it doesnt boot it just says 'error 12'
[06:15] <adriyel> _native_, I've done my own pen-testing and actions thereof
[06:15] <tritium> dabaR, nope.  What did I miss?  :)
[06:15] <dabaR> SSJiffy: does he have one hard drive?
[06:15] <ahoora> how can i find the appropriate package??
[06:15] <SSJiffy> dabaR: it's only one hard drive
[06:15] <dabaR> tritium: he is trying to compile something, and it gives him errors.
[06:15] <dabaR> SSJiffy: is he online? are you at that computer?
[06:15] <SSJiffy> dabaR: windows partition and ubuntu
[06:15] <adriyel> _native_, in my experience, most openbsd admins are very very much so more paranoid than Linux users, and tend to leave far fewer items running and such, leaving me fewer opportunities
[06:15] <stevejesus> tritium:   making the automater script now...
[06:15] <adriyel> but I didn't say that, did I channel?
[06:16] <intelikey> now if you also remover the home/dir it would but i didn't say that.... or atleast didn't mean that Amaranth
[06:16] <SSJiffy> dabaR: im using the very computer, he isnt here anymore
[06:16] <dabaR> ahoora: it would help to paste the error to paste.ubuntulinux.nl or tell us what you are compiling, and what libs are missing.
[06:16] <tritium> ahoora, don't overwrite system files.  It breaks things
[06:16] <adriyel> tritium, that had to be said?
[06:16] <ahoora> actually now i moved all troublesome libraries and started re-installing again i hope it works :|
[06:16] <Amaranth> intelikey: Anyway, for most users losing all of their settings and data is the same as the computer not working so it's still bad advice.
[06:16] <tritium> adriyel, he did it, didn't he?
[06:16] <adriyel> *sighs* I suppose so...
[06:16] <_native_> adriyel; no openbsd has nothing running by default its not the fault of linux its the fault of bad default configurations.
[06:17] <stevejesus> tritium:   automater script running...
[06:17] <tritium> stevejesus, honestly, I don't need the play-by-play ;)
[06:17] <adriyel> _native_, *nods* openbsd is a good deal more strict about what goes into a release than 90% of the linux distro's out there as well
[06:17] <ahoora> i want to fix everything in  /usr/include/c++/3.3/
[06:18] <Amaranth> adriyel: And OpenBSD will never be used on a regular desktop.
[06:18] <adriyel> _native_, to be honest, the only distro's I'd trust to be of the same stability/caliber in that respect would prolly be debian/slackware with SELinux Kernel
[06:18] <dabaR> SSJiffy: well, post the outputs of "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst" and "sudo fdisk -l" from a terminal to the paste.ubuntulinux.nl web site.
[06:18] <Grug> you know, i think XP is a better OS.  But, I *love* ubuntu so far because it's free.  And i like the community - more exciting
[06:18] <adriyel> Amaranth, typically, yes. unless you get as bored as I do
[06:18] <_native_> adriyel; yes thats the problem we need better default configs on release.
[06:18] <intelikey> loosing personalization settings = worse than having unwanted spyware.......   hmmmm   i'll make a note of that....
[06:18] <Amaranth> adriyel: Plus, good linux server distros don't install anything more than enough to login and get new stuff so it's just as secure. :)
[06:18] <tritium> Grug, better in some things, but not in others.  Each has its strenghts/weaknesses
[06:18] <ahoora> tritium i did it lol .. a beginner must suffer his mistakes to learn
[06:18] <Amaranth> intelikey: Losing all of your data as well.
[06:19] <ahoora> dabaR: i want to fix everything in this folder /usr/include/c++/3.3/ :|
[06:19] <stevejesus> script finished.  and yes, i now have spyware in osx
[06:19] <Amaranth> intelikey: I'd rather have spyware (which doesn't really exist for linux anyway) than lose my files.
[06:19] <_native_> adriyel; instead of leaving the responsibility to less qualified admins to disable and conigure everthing.
[06:19] <tritium> ahoora, indeed.  dpkg -S <path/to/file> can help you figure out what packages own files
[06:19] <ahoora> oh thanks :)
[06:19] <nyx> hi what is the difference between the Ubuntu DVD iso and the regular CD iso ??
[06:19] <adriyel> Amaranth, ah yes, but you don't understand. It's the code thats the key, how strenously somethings been checked (the source) for possible exploits and how much stability testing its recieved is the key here. disabling a bunch of services on windows doesn't necessarily make it secure
[06:19] <ahoora> a very useful command for me
[06:19] <dabaR> ahoora: you are being unspecific. there is nothing to fix there. Tell me what you are compiling, and paste what I told you to the web site I told you about.
[06:20] <dabaR> nyx: does the web site not say?
[06:20] <Grug> i love the fact that i can install ubuntu on as many machines as i choose
[06:20] <stevejesus> ok, just disabled java in ubuntu firefox.  problem gone.
[06:20] <pavelich> is it possible to develop c++ programs and test and run them as if you were running windows, i am new to linux and i am in my first computer science class and need a way to test and run these programs as if it was on windows, sorry i am new to linux and just need some help, does WINE have a psuedo-dos terminal, or am i screwed alltogether, someone please help!!!
[06:20] <Amaranth> adriyel: Sure, but since OpenBSD is checking open source software you can take any patches they've made and use them on your own.
[06:20] <adriyel> Amaranth, how the majority of remote exploits occur is a poorly coded input buffer that allows you to redirect the flow of execution into something that spawns a shell, if you're running bad code, it doesn't matter what services you're running necessarily, at that point you're either off the internet, or you're unsafe
[06:20] <intelikey> Amaranth you assume they all have new data stored in ther home dir and not backed up .... i assume that they have all important data in a safe place not on the same partition as the system......    maybe we are both wrong...
[06:20] <stevejesus> now i just need to find this thing... must be lying around in my homedir...
[06:20] <adriyel> Amaranth, Unix is not necessarily Linux :P
[06:20] <nyx> dabar: no
[06:20] <Agrajag> stevejesus: $10 says it's in your firefox profile.
[06:20] <dabaR> pavelich: if you write source code that compiles in linux, it will compile in windows as well.
[06:21] <Amaranth> adriyel: OpenBSD is not necessarily anything else. :P
[06:21] <adriyel> Agrajag, $10 says a change in edit - prefs will fix this
[06:21] <Grug> i have so much to learn... sigh
[06:21] <Agrajag> Grab your bookmarks.html file out and whatever else you need and wipe the rest
[06:21] <Amaranth> adriyel: But for the most part things are portable at the source level.
[06:21] <Agrajag> adriyel: possibly
[06:21] <stevejesus> Agrajag:  wont take that bet becuase i bet your right:)
[06:21] <pavelich> dabaR: what is the best way to do that?
[06:21] <tritium> Grug, ah, but learning is fun and stimulating
[06:21] <_native_> adriyel; may we should go offtopic to continue the conversation pertaining to security.
[06:21] <adriyel> Amaranth, *cringes* you've never seen the process of porting code from Linux to FreeBSD have you?
[06:21] <adriyel> Amaranth, its not that bad, but there is work involved
[06:22] <adriyel> Amaranth, all of the ports on BSD have been customized/changed to work for BSD, changes in libs and such
[06:22] <dabaR> nyx: Ubuntu is distributed on two types of images described below. In addition, combination install/live DVDs are available from the CD image archive.
[06:22] <_native_> Amaranth; you too. lets go to the offtopic channel
[06:22] <adriyel> Amaranth, you can't just throw a patch at something
[06:22] <dabaR> pavelich: haev you ever written source code?
[06:22] <Amaranth> adriyel: Those are Linux apps taking advantage of Linux features.
[06:22] <Xenguy> If any OPs were around, the conversation would be directed to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:22] <Amaranth> adriyel: Porting the other way is easier.
[06:22] <adriyel> _native_, kubuntu or ubuntu offtopic?
[06:22] <JaMiNkLe> why is there no ubuntu ppc support chan?
[06:22] <regeya> indeed Xenguy.
[06:22] <_native_> ubuntu
[06:22] <Amaranth> Hi.
[06:22] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: we know some things about it here.
[06:22] <dabaR> haha
[06:22] <ahoora> hehe i am doing mistake over mistake i think ... i started upgrading build-essential without verification
[06:23] <adriyel> Amaranth, porting unix to linux may be easier from a source perspective, but FreeBSD has a compatibility layer for Linux, so if you drop the source issue, the vice versa is easier at a binary level
[06:23] <regeya> and one of the OT people is an op.  nice.
[06:23] <dabaR> Xenguy: try !ops in private with ubuntu to learn who is an op.
[06:23] <JaMiNkLe> i just want something to do on it
[06:23] <pavelich> dabarR: well i am in my first semester using c++, and yes, i just am strictly used to using microsoft visual c
[06:23] <ahoora> tritium : are using breezy?
[06:23] <JaMiNkLe> it fucken sucks nothing is supported for ppc
[06:23] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: do what on what?
[06:23] <adriyel> Amaranth, meet in #ubuntu-offtopic for security discussion
[06:23] <tritium> Xenguy, who says we're not around?
[06:23] <JaMiNkLe> dabaR anything
[06:23] <nyx> dabar: oh, so that  means the DVD is just the regular CDROM install *AND* Live cd combined?
[06:23] <tritium> JaMiNkLe, please watch your language
[06:23] <JaMiNkLe> anything cool
[06:23] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: everything in fact is supported.
[06:23] <fr33mind> Hi.  Is there a way to force Gnome Terminal to open with a larger window? ;)  Each time I open terminal, I must ajust size...
[06:23] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: too unspecific, do you see a common theme on the channel?
[06:23] <Amaranth> regeya: This is non-peak time, offtopic discussions usually are fine as long as they don't swamp the channel when lots of people are asking questions.
[06:24] <adriyel> dabaR, a completely unqualified and coarse statement from what I would assume to be a new user *sigh*
[06:24] <Xenguy> I guess you are not the same ops I saw just this afternoon clearing the off-topic conversations elsewhere like crazy ;-)
[06:24] <Amaranth> regeya: It depends on what the off-topic topic is though.
[06:24] <dabaR> nyx: read again, and tell me:P
[06:24] <adriyel> Xenguy, he's right, its 0:24am where I am
[06:24] <ahoora> dabaR : are you using breezy?
[06:24] <adriyel> LOL
[06:24] <dabaR> Xenguy: sometimes they do, its a judgement call.
[06:24] <tritium> ahoora, yes, I am
[06:24] <dabaR> ahoora: yes.
[06:24] <adriyel> Amaranth, you lost your ops son :D
[06:24] <Xenguy> Amaranth: IC - no worries
[06:24] <Amaranth> Xenguy: That's peak traffic from the US, the SNR is more important.
[06:24] <nyx> dabar: yes! \o/ :D
[06:24] <Amaranth> adriyel: I turned them off. :)
[06:24] <regeya> so what's your ppc problem JaMiNkLe?  I expect this to get lost in a flood of discussion about SNR
[06:24] <tritium> adriyel, he removed himself, silly
[06:24] <nyx> dabr: I _SEEEE_ the light now
[06:25] <stevejesus> a7|_a4g3.jar  was found in my .mozilla/extensions
[06:25] <dabaR> SSJiffy: as soon as you are ready...
[06:25] <pavelich> dabaR: well i am in my first semester using c++, and yes, i just am strictly used to using microsoft visual c++, i feel like a unintelligent newb idiot but are there any simple programs that are good?
[06:25] <adriyel> tritium, why?
[06:25] <fr33mind> and another one, is it possible to have an icon on the task bar to open with one click a terminal with ssh connexion to my server?  (I already have certificates installed)
[06:25] <tritium> adriyel, why what?
[06:25] <JaMiNkLe> nah i got no problems apart from some ibook g3 sleep bug i just carnt find anything to do if that makes sence
[06:25] <ahoora> is it suggested to beginners? is it as good as hoary ??
[06:25] <adriyel> pavelich, try sudo apt-get install anjuta in the console
[06:25] <tritium> ahoora, it's an improvement
[06:25] <adriyel> you might like it
[06:25] <mike8901> anyone know when the next batch of cd's are going out(roughly?)
[06:25] <adriyel> pavelich, be warned that your C++ class may involve win32 specific code, and that you might have to port it yourself
[06:25] <SSJiffy> dabaR: Nothing came up
[06:26] <dabaR> pavelich: dont feel like that. I understand your question better now. YOu want an IDE for .net development, well, sorry to say, no. You can check out mono(mono.org probably) but there is no .net for linux. Writing source code can be done in text editors.
[06:26] <stevejesus> Agrajag: a7|_a4g3.jar  was found in my .mozilla/extensions
[06:26] <Ep|phany> hmmmmmm
[06:26] <SSJiffy> dabaR: first command isnt recognized and the second listed my sda's
[06:26] <ahoora> dabaR: i am using c++ too my 2nd semester hah but apparently you know much better than me ;)
[06:26] <dabaR> fr33mind: task bar being the panel.
[06:26] <Agrajag> so was that it?
[06:27] <adriyel> I am in C++ my 3rd year of coding...no classes, all self-taught. :D
[06:27] <stevejesus> yup.  its fine now
[06:27] <dabaR> ahoora: no, I just know somet things about GNU/linux, and compiling software under it.
[06:27] <JaMiNkLe> does anyone else here have a ibook g3 cuz mine dosent come out of sleep when i open the lid
[06:27] <adriyel> dabaR, is mono any good?
[06:27] <stevejesus> Agrajag: just found the same .jar file in osx too
[06:27] <dabaR> SSJiffy: so paste them to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:27] <tritium> !cuz
[06:27] <ubotu> cuz is, like, totally, not a word
[06:27] <regeya> I must point out that mono is available for Windows, but it's not .net, not really.
[06:27] <regeya> not totally
[06:27] <adriyel> dabaR, I've never buggered with it, I'm a binutils/gcc/gdb/vi whore for life
[06:28] <dabaR> SSJiffy: also, cat /boot/grub/menu.lst has to show something, in fact, the file.
[06:28] <Grug> i love c#
[06:28] <Grug> and .net
[06:28] <Grug> i think i may contribute to mono
[06:28] <dabaR> adriyel: unfortunately, asking a question like is mono any good is a bad practice, so I wont answer it.
[06:28] <Amaranth> Grug: Make sure you learn more than one language though.
[06:29] <dabaR> JaMiNkLe: yes, nalioth has that laptop.
[06:29] <Amaranth> Grug: Otherwise you get locked into one language and one way of thinking.
[06:29] <Grug> oh yeah... i'm old school... first learned 6502 assembly and 6800 on a PDP-11
[06:29] <pavelich> dabaR: yeah thanks a bunch your a big help, so are there different forms of c++, as in different processes and ways to write the source code depending on the compiler, wouldnt that ruin the universiallity of a language
[06:29] <adriyel> dabaR, sigh. you're a grumpy bear Op, you know that?
[06:29] <Amaranth> damn
[06:29] <dabaR> im not an op
[06:29] <adriyel> dabaR, let me rephrase that question, how well does Mono accomplish what it was made to do?
[06:29] <adriyel> dabaR, you act like one :P
[06:29] <Grug> but c# is my favorite language so far
[06:30] <dabaR> adriyel: and the fact that I said anything shows I am not grumpy, cause I could have just ignored you.
[06:30] <pavelich> ahah dabar seems to be the man of the room here lol
[06:30] <Grug> C++ is next, then C :)
[06:30] <adriyel> dabaR, yipes.
[06:30] <adriyel> pavelich, not...quite.
[06:30] <Amaranth> adriyel: It reimplements the virtual machine and the API.
[06:30] <dabaR> pavelich: no, Im just always inspired around this time.
[06:30] <Amaranth> Grug: Ever used Python?
[06:30] <Grug> not yet amar
[06:30] <adriyel> Amaranth, does it actually do that, or do I have to dodge bugs/errors?
[06:30] <Grug> but i want to learn it
[06:30] <dabaR> adriyel: mono is a project in early development, with some very good results. read their page.
[06:31] <adriyel> indeed.
[06:31] <Amaranth> adriyel: If you use GTK# more or less.
[06:31] <Amaranth> adriyel: If you want to use the windows widgets it's less complete but getting better.
[06:31] <Amaranth> Of course GTK# apps look out of place on Windows and SWF apps look out of place on linux.
[06:32] <pavelich> anyone here work in the programming field and know good jobs or suggest a route in school?
[06:32] <pavelich> as in what to learn along the way?
[06:32] <tga> everything they teach you
[06:32] <adriyel> Amaranth, KDE apps look out of place on ubuntu too...point? :P is mono in the universe/multiverse repo?
[06:32] <Amaranth> Grug: Python will become your new favorite if you learn it. :)
[06:32] <Amaranth> adriyel: I believe it's in main.
[06:32] <dabaR> pavelich: basically, you can compile bear c++ code. Proprietary M$ libraries are not in question. Send me one of your programs through paste.ubuntulinux.nl, and I will tell you what you can do. Also, eclipse is a cool IDE, imo, and can do c++. "/j #c++" to join the C++ channel, and /j eclipse to join the eclipse channel.
[06:32] <dabaR> bare
[06:32] <Amaranth> adriyel: Try out beagle or tomboy to see a mono app in action.
[06:32] <dabaR> man. the bear thing got me off mark:)
[06:32] <adriyel> Grug, python is good, you should try it....perl is similar/older but its worth looking at
[06:33] <tritium> !info mono
[06:33] <ubotu> mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[06:33] <Amaranth> adriyel: Perl isn't similar. :P
[06:33] <pavelich> dabaR: thanks man
[06:33] <adriyel> dabaR, ?
[06:33] <dabaR> pavelich: good luck, and happy coding:) I read that somewhere.
[06:33] <Amaranth> tritium: ubotu doesn't tell you if it's in main
[06:33] <adriyel> pavelich, anjuta is a good C/C++ ide as well btw, you might consider it too
[06:33] <adriyel> Amaranth, similar purpose :P
[06:33] <tritium> Amaranth, it does indirectly
[06:33] <dabaR> adriyel: yaya, thank you.
[06:34] <Amaranth> tritium: How? "optional" doesn't tell you.
[06:34] <adriyel> dabaR, I don't care for eclipse (no idea why, maybe because its ugly on win32), but I like anjuta quite a bit
[06:34] <tritium> Amaranth, by not listing universe/multiverse, etc.
[06:34] <dabaR> by not saying where it is, it tells you where it is.
[06:34] <adriyel> I typically use all console stuff though...gcc/gdb/vi/nano though
[06:34] <SSJiffy> hello
[06:34] <Amaranth> !info blobwars
[06:35] <ubotu> blobwars: (platform shooting game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.04-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 7369 kB, Installed size: 7848 kB
[06:35] <dabaR> adriyel: good good, that was a more c++ answer, I do java, so my was biased...
[06:35] <SSJiffy> how do I display my grub configuration?
[06:35] <Amaranth> ah, i see
[06:35] <tritium> SSJiffy, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:35] <SSJiffy> kool, thx
[06:35] <dabaR> SSJiffy: open a terminal, and type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:36] <dabaR> SSJiffy: that question decomposes to how do I display, and where is my grub configuration....
[06:36] <adriyel> dabaR, indeed. :P I dislike java btw, sorry.
[06:36] <adriyel> dabaR, I've tried it 3 times now, still can't stand it
[06:37] <SSJiffy> yeah i meant both
[06:37] <adriyel> dabaR, I can tell. I just, I dunno, I can't get over how the code looks
[06:37] <Amaranth> java is ok
[06:37] <adriyel> saying java is great because it works on all operating systems is like anal sex is great because it works on both genders...
[06:37] <crimsun> uhh
[06:37] <dabaR> haha, classic troll sentence
[06:37] <tritium> yeah, we've seen that exact comment before
[06:37] <Amaranth> *cough*
[06:37] <crimsun> that's way off topic.
[06:37] <tga> adriyel, har har, so funny
[06:37] <adriyel> wow
[06:37] <kevogod> adriyel, Well, isn't it?
[06:37] <adriyel> flurry of reponses from that one
[06:38] <Amaranth> whee i lag
[06:38] <drcode> hi all
[06:38] <Amaranth> windows updates suck :(
[06:38] <adriyel> I expected a comment from a famous site to grab that
[06:38] <pavelich> dabaR:  is there a standard command to open or run a tar.gz packaged file in the terminal, or are the commands exclusive the type of file it is or the operation being performed, are tar.gz files comparable to a .rar or .zip file or more like an executable .exe or am i way off
[06:38] <drcode> any one up
[06:38] <regeya> everything sucks.
[06:38] <adriyel> pavelich, tar -xzf ./file.tar.gz
[06:38] <tga> pavelich, a .tar.gz is a tar file compressed with gzip
[06:38] <dabaR> pavelich: an archive, that is the command to unpack it into its own folder.
[06:38] <caonex> i removed a modules manually, but when using modinfo modulename, it still looks for it. How can i delete that modules from the database?
[06:38] <dabaR> pavelich: man tar to understand the options.
[06:39] <dabaR> man tar being a command in a terminal
[06:39] <adriyel> pavelich, to clarify, a .tar is a tarball which is a way of bundling files into one file. it is not a method of compression, the .gz is the method of compression, occaisionally you'll see a tar.bz2, this is a bzip2 file, and is typically smaller than a gzip file
[06:40] <ian> Ive just installed Azureus from a tar bal. To launch the application i have to execute the shell script within the Azureus directory. How do I set up an icon in the Gnome start menu and associate all. torrent file to Azureus?
[06:40] <adriyel> the above is something that I wish would've been clarified when I was new
[06:40] <ian> ball
[06:40] <dabaR> tar does not use - thought for options IIRC
[06:40] <adriyel> dabaR, theres nothing against it doing so however
[06:40] <adriyel> I've used the "-" for years.
[06:40] <drcode> how can I zoom jpeg?
[06:40] <dabaR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[06:40] <tga> there's no - on Solaris iirc
[06:40] <tritium> drcode, depends on what application you're using
[06:40] <tga> pardon, quite the other way around
[06:41] <tga> the Unix version of tar needs the "-"
[06:41] <dabaR> bah
[06:41] <adriyel> its irrelevant makes no difference on Linux does it not?
[06:41] <ian> dabaR Thanks but I dint use the .deb package.
[06:41] <tga> yes, afaik
[06:42] <adriyel> ubuntu, I love your name, where'd you get it from?
[06:42] <drcode> I use jpegtrans to flip the image
[06:42] <pavelich> dabaR: can u recomend a linux books or something become well versed or maybe a website or just something to expedite the learning process
[06:42] <dabaR> adriyel: read the ubuntu.com web site
[06:42] <drcode> IS there command that can zoom
[06:42] <drcode> I want to use it in script
[06:43] <Grug> hey guys, can i just copy over my fonts from XP to Linux?
[06:43] <Amaranth> yeah, it's probably better to use '-' in scripts though
[06:43] <adriyel> dabaR, you mean ubuntulinux.com ?
[06:43] <Amaranth> so they don't barf on Unix systems
[06:43] <kevogod> ubuntu.com works
[06:43] <adriyel> Amaranth, I use -'s out of habit for that reason
[06:43] <Amaranth> just like R for recursive instead of r
[06:43] <adriyel> Amaranth, *nods*
[06:43] <tritium> Grug, yes
[06:43] <dabaR> pavelich: yes, philosophy: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ Ubuntu ins-outs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[06:43] <Grug> ok thanks trit
[06:43] <adriyel> why, may I ask, am I being directed to www.ubuntu.com dabaR ?
[06:43] <dabaR> adriyel: did you try typing into the browser and pressing enter before typing the question and pressing enter?
[06:43] <tritium> adriyel, forgot your comment, did you?
[06:44] <dabaR> adriyel: you asked about the name.
[06:44] <Agrajag> dabaR: your sarcasm meter is in dire need of service
[06:44] <adriyel> omg...
[06:44] <HJ_Res_24> sheesh - 563
[06:44] <dabaR> Agrajag: possible.
[06:44] <intelikey> every so often i get this anoying "hickup" of error message and the leds on the keyboard all come on and what ever is on the screen is messed up with "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 "   anyone know what causes this keyboard reset or update or what ever it is????
[06:44] <adriyel> you thought I was serious?
[06:44] <HJ_Res_24> ubuntu rocks
[06:44] <adriyel> tell me you're kidding.
[06:45] <HJ_Res_24> I'm trying to get online
[06:45] <adriyel> Agrajag, was he being serious?
[06:45] <intelikey> console only on that ^
[06:45] <Agrajag> adriyel: I hope not, else I need to fix my sarcasmometer also
[06:45] <dabaR> HJ_Res_24: do yuo have a question or a problem?
[06:45] <adriyel> I think I am sorely worried for a few folks here.
[06:45] <Agrajag> or whatever
[06:45] <dabaR> adriyel: stick around, you will understand more.
[06:45] <adriyel> lol @ dabaR's statement
[06:46] <pavelich> i love linux, i tried the switch a few years back and there werent that many apps that allowed me to be purely dependant on it, but now ubuntu is so user friendly that i am telling everyone i know to use it, i ordered 60 or so cds from them and i couldnt believe they actually sent me them, i am trying to give them to everyone i can, change is comming, i can feel it
[06:46] <adriyel> dabaR, I've been present here before. I'm no ignoramus either.
[06:46] <adriyel> evangelical christianity, open source community...the difference is dogma :P
[06:46] <dabaR> pavelich: yes, in my unix class that I attend one of the students was handing them out too.
[06:47] <adriyel> dabaR, which of the unices do they use in that class?
[06:47] <NoobieDoobieDo> where can i get a sources.list so i can add other packages ?
[06:47] <NoobieDoobieDo> such as w32codecs...
[06:47] <dabaR> adriyel: ask me in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:47] <tritium> !tell NoobieDoobieDo about repositories
[06:47] <NoobieDoobieDo> thx
[06:47] <Madpilot> !tell NoobieDoobieDo about w32codecs
[06:48] <squirrel> hi, i'm having trouble with bittorrent in badger, where is the right place to ask for help?
[06:48] <dabaR> HJ_Res_24: are you not online with ubuntu, what ISP type do you have, dial up?
[06:48] <Octane> can someone recommend a good ftpd
[06:48] <adriyel> proftpd ?
[06:48] <Octane> where i can manage users with a gui :)
[06:49] <Octane> because i cant figure out pureftpd really
[06:49] <pavelich> dabaR: yeah its so great but it scares people to break out of what they are used to, and back when i tried openoffice a while back it was nothing to what it is now, its unreal the quallity improvment and how much things have changed in the past year or so
[06:49] <Grug> ^^
[06:49] <adriyel> pavelich, OO.o 2 is nice.
[06:50] <drcode> how can I zoom jpeg? any script program I Can use exept convert like jpegtrans ?
[06:51] <tritium> drcode, do you mean resize?
[06:51] <squirrel> any ideas why p2p apps don't work for me in badger, anyone?
[06:51] <Xenguy> Octane: I've heard good things about vsftpd
[06:51] <dabaR> squirrel: you have to say how they do not work.
[06:52] <squirrel> dabaR: I only get tracker connection timeouts, no matter how many torrents i try. it only started after upgrade from warty
[06:52] <Mr_Milenko> whats a good Dialer program for Linux?
[06:52] <tritium> drcode, install imagemagick.  It has command-line tools you can do all kinds of things with: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php
[06:52] <pavelich> dabaR: know of any good music players that feature an organization system similar to iTunes' browse feature, like how by genre, artist, then album
[06:52] <Octane> Xenguy: thanks man
[06:52] <Mr_Milenko> i cant dialup to the internet :(
[06:52] <Xenguy> Octane: have fun
[06:52] <tritium> pavelich, perhaps muine or beep media player
[06:53] <Mr_Milenko> pavelich: rythmbox?
[06:53] <Xenguy> Mr_Milenko: pppconfig? kppp?
[06:53] <siimo> Mr_Milenko, use gnome-ppp
[06:53] <Mr_Milenko> rythmbox also has an iPod utility i beleive
[06:53] <siimo> !info gnome-ppp
[06:53] <ubotu> gnome-ppp: (modem internet connection tool for GNOME), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.21-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[06:53] <Mr_Milenko> siimo: i it in the installation by default?
[06:53] <Mr_Milenko> is*
[06:53] <drcode> hi
[06:53] <drcode> I know
[06:53] <siimo> Mr_Milenko, no you need to apt-get it
[06:53] <Amaranth> no
[06:53] <AzraelALive> hi
[06:53] <drcode> is there other tool exapet imagemagic?
[06:54] <Mr_Milenko> lol..
[06:54] <cius> hellp
[06:54] <cius> hello*
[06:54] <tritium> drcode, imagemagick can certainly resize and re-sample images
[06:54] <Mr_Milenko> no internet.. so ima have to download on windows and put it on my fat32 partition and install it manually
[06:54] <Mr_Milenko> ok thanks
[06:54] <pavelich> dabaR: ahah i should try a little harder at looking before i ask a dumb question like that, i didnt even notice rythm box and dl banshee, ahah yeah rythmbox has exactly what i was looking for
[06:54] <cius> I'm a question about sound in ubuntu breezy
[06:54] <siimo> Mr_Milenko, http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/net/gnome-ppp download it manually from here
[06:55] <Mr_Milenko> NICE!
[06:55] <adriyel> Mr_Milenko, ifconfig eth0 up ?
[06:55] <squirrel> is there any channel where one can get help?
[06:55] <siimo> Mr_Milenko, you may have to grab the dependency wvdial as well http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/comm/wvdial
[06:55] <siimo> adriyel, he is dialup
[06:55] <adriyel> siimo, ouch.
[06:55] <Mr_Milenko> have wvdial
[06:55] <Mr_Milenko> :)
[06:55] <tritium> squirrel, right here :)
[06:55] <Mr_Milenko> that was on the cd
[06:55] <siimo> ok then just grab gnome-ppp
[06:55] <drcode>
[06:55] <drcode>
[06:55] <drcode> ok
[06:55] <drcode> thanx
[06:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> hrm...
[06:55] <tritium> pavelich, check out beep and muine as well
[06:56] <AzraelALive> <ubuntu/centos
[06:56] <squirrel> tritium: ok, third try: after update from warty to badger bittorrent only gives tracker timeouts
[06:56] <cius> I've noticed that my xmms install is using the OSS driver, however, so does quake4 in order to work properly.  Now, when I have music playing in xmms and I start quake4 I don't get sound in quake4.  And when I'm playing quake4 and I try to start music it won't play.  It's like only one program can use the sound card at a time.   Is there any way to remedy this so that I can listen to music and play quake4 at the same time?
[06:57] <Madpilot> NoobieDoobieDo: if you mean ubuntuguide.org, please don't use that. start with wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[06:57] <tritium> squirrel, if you think you've found a bug, please report it
[06:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> Madpilot, thanks, it use to work `good` but now most of the stuff ive tried fails.
[06:57] <Madpilot> squirrel: install Firestarter and make sure you've got BT's ports open
[06:57] <tritium> NoobieDoobieDo, also, help.ubuntu.com, and your help system (the little life-preserver icon has a great Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide)
[06:57] <squirrel> tritium: i've read that others have that problem too, in the forum
[06:58] <squirrel> Madpilot: did the firestarter thing, no change
[06:58] <tritium> squirrel, I don't use bittorrent, so I'm unfamiliar with it
[06:58] <Mr_Milenko> bbl gonna try this
[06:58] <trincamckee> cius, i think u could try esd to enable multiple sounds at same time
[06:58] <NoobieDoobieDo> tritium, ja, this is the 5th or 6th time im bringin an Ubuntu system up just trying to get all the multimedia support.
[06:58] <squirrel> Madpilot: it doesn't seem to upload anything
[06:58] <Shadowline> Woot!, KDE 3.5-rc1 is out!!!
[06:58] <Madpilot> squirrel: hmmm, OK. I had to do the Firestarter thing, and it worked fine. It might just be the torrents you're trying...
[06:58] <cius> trincamckee, how would you do that in esd?  Do you have to kill it then restart it with a certain option?
[06:59] <squirrel> Madpilot: i tried several (healthy ones). also, amule doesn't seem to download either
[06:59] <trincamckee> cius,  just run in terminal for example "esd"
[06:59] <siimo> esd sucks anyway
[06:59] <Madpilot> squirrel: try the Knoppix 4 CD torrent, I did that a few hours ago and it was blazing fast, w/ people peering from me - they still are, actually.
[07:00] <trincamckee> siimo,  can u be more precisly?
[07:00] <trappist> esd is famous for sucking
[07:00] <cius> trincamckee, I remember having to kill esd in order to get sound in quake4 working initially, I don't think it would work properly if I started esd normally
[07:00] <trappist> "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox
[07:01] <trincamckee> then i aint see more resolution for ur problem
[07:01] <trincamckee> but sure is more
[07:01] <trincamckee> maybe someone knows