[09:41] <Tm_T> tomplast: just Kate or nano
[09:41] <tomplast> Tm_T: ah :)
[09:41] <CellarDoor> tchize: filter out gstreamer in Adept and see what comes up thats not installed (if you havent already done that)
[09:41] <Tm_T> and I have my scripts to do all building so kdevelop wouldnt make it easier
[09:42] <tomplast> Tm_T: btw, is there any way to install software remotely on several machines at the same time with edubuntu installed?
[09:42] <Tm_T> tomplast: ssh? ;(
[09:42] <tomplast> Tm_T: some graphical?
[09:43] <Tm_T> you can't say "apt-get install foo" in several Konsole tabs?
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: I'm planning to install linux on some more machines and show the potential for people :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> aah
[09:43] <tchize> cellardoor: i did :)
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: it would really be nice if there was a way to control every computer in a few clicks
[09:43] <Tm_T> but you know, you can't win the power of cli and scripting with any gui
[09:43] <CellarDoor> tchize: use xine :P
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: some remote admin tool
[09:44] <tchize> that what i did
[09:44] <tchize> but damn the sound comming out of xine is awfull :'(
[09:44] <CellarDoor> oh
[09:44] <Tm_T> tomplast: no idea, never needed myself, apt-cache search might help ;)
[09:44] <CellarDoor> through what app ?
[09:44] <tchize> amarok
[09:44] <CellarDoor> prolly just need to change some settings
[09:44] <tchize> .... wait, checking something
[09:45] <Tm_T> tomplast: look, http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> tchize the volume is probably set too high so it is distorting (same happened to me with ice-1712 soundcard)
[09:45] <tomplast> Tm_T: QT is often used in Kubuntu right? Is it recommended to use it?
[09:45] <Tm_T> tomplast: I would recommend atleast
[09:46] <Aapzak> hey kubuntu people
[09:46] <tchize> ok, sound quality problem fixed
[09:46] <tchize> was just a small setting to change
[09:46] <Tm_T> tchize: good :)
[09:46] <CellarDoor> :)
[09:46] <tchize> i was using my headset
[09:46] <tomplast> Tm_T: about ssh, I use it often when communicating with a server that I run at school but doing ssh at several computers at the same time I dont know about :p
[09:47] <tchize> it is made for human voice, not music :p
[09:47] <tchize> changed to headphones :)
[09:47] <tomplast> hi Aapzak
[09:47] <CellarDoor> has anyone used kde with xgl/compiz yet ?
[09:47] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: I have
[09:47] <CellarDoor> I heard there was some latency
[09:47] <tomplast> i think xgl is overestimated
[09:47] <CellarDoor> Aapzak: how was it
[09:47] <Aapzak> it's pretty useless at the moment
[09:47] <Tm_T> tomplast: it's just ssh session in several tabs of Konsole, and then copy&paste&paste&paste... ;)
[09:48] <CellarDoor> Aapzak: unstable ?
[09:48] <Aapzak> no, not at all, but really not developed for KDE
[09:48] <apokryphos> xgl is very nice :)
[09:48] <Aapzak> it works pretty onder gnome
[09:48] <CellarDoor> thats really annoying
[09:48] <apokryphos> Aapzak: it was developed "for gnome"; the window manager doesn't really  have any gnome-specific settings
[09:48] <tomplast> Tm_T: let's say that there are 200 computers to admin :p. it would be a lot easier if i just could press a button in a program that upgrade all software on all machines :)
[09:49] <apokryphos> though atm since it's in such early stages some things are easier for gnome, like the editor. Only gconf
[09:49] <CellarDoor> the kde devels dont seem very impressed
[09:49] <Aapzak> and ...
[09:49] <apokryphos> Aapzak: *it wasn't
[09:49] <Tm_T> tomplast: true
[09:49] <Aapzak> kwin is a bit harder to replace
[09:49] <Tm_T> tomplast: script :p
[09:49] <apokryphos> I still think it's a little odd/problematic that it uses a different WM
[09:50] <tomplast> Tm_T: just what I thought. a simple QTprogram could be made for that task :)
[09:50] <apokryphos> s/little/very/
[09:50] <apokryphos> though I can perhaps see why it was done
[09:50] <tomplast> Tm_T: is it better to use qt with python for a beginner like me? i do only know c, assembly, basic, visual basic and some web scripting :p
[09:50] <Tm_T> tomplast: pyKDE
[09:51] <tomplast> pyKDE *-)
[09:51] <Tm_T> why not
[09:51] <Tm_T> you can't know before you try ;)
[09:51] <Aapzak> I used xgl/compiz with gnome, but several kde apps refuse to work, they just freeze, and my best friend konqueror starts somewhere I can't see him
[09:51] <apokryphos> python is pretty much always suggested now as among the best ways of "getting into programming"
[09:51] <Aapzak> with KDE I mean
[09:52] <apokryphos> Aapzak: well, I guess we'll have to wait till suse 10.1 to see what it's really like.
[09:52] <Tm_T> tomplast: make it to do something like this: you define multiple ips or ip range, it takes ssh connection and sends command to them all
[09:52] <Tm_T> etc
[09:52] <Kyral> Python owns :D
[09:52] <apokryphos> or with Novell 9 if I could try it
[09:52] <Aapzak> apokryphos: I agree, this whole xg/compiz is still very alpha
[09:52] <apokryphos> Aapzak: especially on xorg 6.8
[09:52] <Aapzak> but pretty stable
[09:52] <tomplast> Tm_T: can you give me a link to some nice tutorial for pyKDE?
[09:52] <Kyral> I hate the fact I have to take a Java course next semester
[09:52] <tchize> java is wonderfull
[09:52] <Tm_T> tomplast: sorry, no idea :(
[09:53] <tchize> :)
[09:53] <Kyral> ick Java
[09:53] <tomplast> Tm_T: oki :p
[09:53] <Kyral> Perl!
[09:53] <Tm_T> java is evil
[09:53] <apokryphos> booo
[09:53] <Kyral> TIMTODY :D
[09:54] <nico8481> anybody using SCIM ?
[09:54] <tomplast> Tm_T: JAVA is nice in a way but slower than a donkey
[09:54] <Kyral> Yah thats why I hate Java
[09:54] <Kyral> lol
[09:54] <tomplast> i like jrisk so stop complaining :P
[09:54] <Kyral> Damn Runtime :D
[09:54] <tomplast> and freemind :p
[09:54] <tchize> java is not slow
[09:54] <tomplast> freemind is wonderful :D
[09:54] <tomplast> compared to "REAL" languages it is :)
[09:55] <tomplast> cause you always need a virtual machine that translates the bytecode into something useful
[09:55] <tomplast> yeah
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: thats a REAL language
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: the ONLY
[09:55] <Kyral> tomplast: yah and I hate it lol
[09:55] <CellarDoor> Apollon or Limewire... I know which I prefer (and its not the one that is a java app)
[09:55] <tomplast> mov trashcan, windows
[09:55] <Kyral> lemme use Python damnit :P
[09:55] <tchize> well that's exactly the argument used year ago to not use C but better program in assembler. java has a very small overhead compared to it's advantages :)
[09:55] <Tm_T> tomplast: I repeat, java is evil
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: Assembly is a great language
[09:55] <tomplast> yeah it is but i like freemind :P
[09:56] <Kyral> screw it I wanna learn LISP
[09:56] <kuzmaster> i wanna learn  how to prevent kubuntu from goin into text mode for the login?
[09:56] <Tm_T> tomplast: people say "java is like how programming languages should be, java apps are like applications should never be"
[09:57] <tomplast> mm
[09:57] <tomplast> Tm_T: i never liked java in school :p
[09:57] <kuzmaster> if sombody could help me maybe?
[09:57] <tomplast> Tm_T: where are you from btw?
[09:57] <Tm_T> it's easy, too easy so noone cares about quality anymore
[09:57] <Tm_T> tomplast: Finland
[09:57] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: It shouldn't bu default
[09:57] <tomplast> frstr du svenska :p ?
[09:57] <CellarDoor> bu = by
[09:58] <tchize> people are complaining on java apps using arguments which, for most i hearded, comes from the early jvm. There is very big difference between java 1.2 and java 1.5 ;)
[09:58] <kuzmaster> but it is
[09:58] <Tm_T> tomplast: jag talar bara lite svenska
[09:58] <tomplast> aha ;)
[09:58] <Tm_T> hmm, not sure if that was correct :p
[09:58] <tomplast> Tm_T: it was acceptable but it could be a lot better :p
[09:58] <tomplast> as my english :P
[09:58] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: could try something like 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' (if I remember correctly)
[09:58] <tomplast> like
[09:58] <kuzmaster> it did it b4 and i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:58] <kuzmaster> it has worked b4
[09:58] <CellarDoor> ok
[09:58] <tomplast> Tm_T: there must be some remote administrating tool for linux :/
[09:59] <kuzmaster> and wen i reconfigured xserver, after that it worked for one boot, but then it diddnt work
[09:59] <tomplast> Tm_T: wanna play legends?
[09:59] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: thats strange
[09:59] <digip1mp> tomplast, webmin?
[09:59] <kuzmaster> ino
[10:00] <Tm_T> tomplast: ?
[10:00] <tomplast> digip1mp: can you administrate remote computers with it?
[10:00] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: try again ?
[10:00] <digip1mp> tomplast, vnc?  ssh?  webmin?
[10:00] <tomplast> Tm_T: haven't you played legend? install it if you havent ;)
[10:00] <InteliWasp> do i need to do anything special to use my ipod with kubuntu?
[10:00] <kuzmaster> i have
[10:00] <tomplast> digip1mp: i have tried vnc, ssh and webmin but i dont see your point *-)
[10:00] <digip1mp> define administrate?
[10:01] <Tm_T> tomplast: hmm, not sure, with this medication I'm not totally sure if I even be here =)
[10:01] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: I dont know what else to do except reinstalling kubuntu desktop (I'm still a bit of a n00b)
[10:01] <tomplast> digip1mp: like installing packages for many computers with a single click
[10:02] <kuzmaster> hmmmmm, ill stick around and see if i can gather more help
[10:02] <digip1mp> hrm... you could rsync...
[10:02] <tomplast> Tm_T: its a really nice shooter and its sad that almost none are playing when there are servers :/
[10:02] <tomplast> digip1mp: i know but i want some frontend for it
[10:02] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[10:02] <digip1mp> tomplast, sure there's something out there to suit your needs.  the hard part is finding one of the hundreds people have written
[10:02] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: u using breezy ?
[10:02] <kuzmaster> yeah
[10:02] <kuzmaster> 5.10
[10:02] <CellarDoor> ok
[10:03] <tomplast> digip1mp: mm, thanks anyway
[10:03] <tomplast> come on guys, start legends :)
[10:03] <tomplast> playtime :D
[10:03] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: is your graphics nvidia or ati ?
[10:03] <kuzmaster> ummmmmm
[10:03] <kuzmaster> its on-board
[10:03] <CellarDoor> ok
[10:03] <kuzmaster> SiS i think?
[10:04] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: I'm not sure if this will help, but I'm looking at this forum atm - http://www.techsupportforum.com/linux-operating-systems-applications/80232-kubuntu-5-10-x-wont.html
[10:05] <kuzmaster> this has more detail of my problem
[10:05] <kuzmaster> http://groups.google.com/group/absolute-linux-computing/browse_thread/thread/e518bedb7d5e85b0/6c2cce7e275868d3#6c2cce7e275868d3
[10:05] <kuzmaster> i posted it
[10:07] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: does it start if you type startx ?
[10:07] <CellarDoor> oh sorry
[10:07] <kuzmaster> nope, the message is listed in that google post
[10:08] <CellarDoor> you already said, I see
[10:10] <kuzmaster> im gonna go try if it will work now
[10:13] <mcscruff> lo all
[10:14] <Naail> :o I just installed Flash! and I'm a NooB :D
[10:14] <CellarDoor> lo
[10:14] <CellarDoor> Naail: :)
[10:14] <Naail> I am however going blind looking at this white screen :(
[10:15] <CellarDoor> white ?
[10:15] <CellarDoor> youre using konversation ?
[10:15] <Naail> ya.. ok can of worms here lol
[10:16] <Naail> hmm yes.. is there something else I could use *grins* perhaps?
[10:16] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[10:16] <CellarDoor> Naail: why dont you just change the background colour ?
[10:16] <ryanakca> Naail: irssi...
[10:17] <Naail> yeah, trying too (thats the can of worms lol)
[10:17] <torrents> hi I would need some help pz
[10:17] <torrents> plz
[10:17] <CellarDoor> Settings > Configure Conversation > Colors
[10:17] <ryanakca> theres xchat too... but then, its not any better
[10:17] <CellarDoor> *Konversation
[10:17] <Petecakes> does gtk come preinstalled on Kubuntu?
[10:17] <mcscruff> dont think so
[10:17] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: no
[10:17] <Petecakes> Thanks.
[10:18] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:18] <Petecakes> See, if it came preinstalled, it would be less effort for me.
[10:18] <Petecakes> I'm just too lazy for my own good... :P
[10:18] <Naail> ty ty :)
[10:19] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: apt-get install...
[10:19] <ryanakca> I thought gimp was preinstalled on kubuntu.... I must just be imagining it...
[10:19] <mart> krita is.... can't see gimp
[10:20] <ryanakca> drats
[10:20] <ryanakca> gimp IS the bestest...
[10:20] <mart> mmph
[10:20] <CellarDoor> sudo apt-get install gimp
[10:20] <Petecakes> CellarDoor; my Kubuntu PC isn't connected to the net, so I won't have access to repositories. I'll have to download the files and burn them onto a disc, right?
[10:20] <tchize> i know you won't like this question but
[10:20] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: argh yes
[10:20] <mart> Petecakes: see apt-zip
[10:20] <tchize> what it the package i need to get mp3 support for xine?
[10:22] <ryanakca> Petecakes: yeah.. then just mount the disk, make sure all the .deb are alone in a seperate directory then go "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[10:22] <ryanakca> it'll install all of the debs in that directory, so make sure that you only have debs that you want to install...
[10:22] <Petecakes> ryanakca; thanks.
[10:23] <uNdEr-gr> I have Fujitsu AMILO laptop and i am trying to get Kubuntu working. I have installed it succesfully, but when it loads, it freezes, ath "Starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:23] <Petecakes> I'll need to go out and buy myself some wireless networking stuff some day so I can get my Kubuntu PC on the net.
[10:24] <uNdEr-gr> any idea ?
[10:25] <Naail> what do I need to install for DVD and Video files to work? Codecs? who where how?
[10:25] <Naail> *will it hurt?
[10:25] <Naail> :)
[10:26] <admrl> Naail:!plf
[10:26] <admrl> !plf
[10:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf, mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[10:26] <CellarDoor> !mp3
[10:26] <admrl> there we go
[10:26] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:27] <CellarDoor> ah
[10:27] <admrl> :D
[10:27] <CellarDoor> tchize: there you go
[10:27] <uniq> !easyubuntu
[10:27] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[10:28] <mart> I'm suspicious of easybuntu....
[10:28] <mart> "KDE/QT integration: QT/KDE apps with a GNOME look'n'feel (work in progress)"
[10:29] <tchize> cellardoor: in fact was already supported :p i jst asked amarok to scan the wrong directory, a directory where there were only a few ogg so i though it didn't scan mp3 ;p
[10:29] <mart> doesn't sound good
[10:29] <CellarDoor> tchize: ah there you go then :P
[10:29] <mornfall> tchize: which adept version, if i may ask?
[10:29] <tchize> 1.0
[10:30] <CellarDoor> mart: not that you really need it
[10:30] <bkjones> anyone else seeing mplayer/xine/totem segfault after updating gcc/libgcc?
[10:30] <mornfall> tchize: ah, okey
[10:30] <mart> CellarDoor: need what?
[10:30] <admrl> mart: i agree
[10:30] <CellarDoor> easybuntu
[10:30] <mart> CellarDoor: no, but it's a pain to have to install these things by hand
[10:31] <admrl> mart: apt-get isnt really much by hand
[10:31] <CellarDoor> you only have to make sure you have sources and apt-get
[10:31] <CellarDoor> and you only have to do it once
[10:31] <admrl> you can add repos in synaptic
[10:31] <admrl> i think its about as easy as it can get
[10:31] <mart> the only sources I know (and trust) are video.debian.free.fr
[10:32] <mart> and I have to rebuild those packages
[10:32] <CellarDoor> ?
[10:32] <mart> well, their built against what ever version of stuff is in debian
[10:32] <mart> so I get the sources and debuild them
[10:33] <mart> god only knows who maintains the easybuntu repos
[10:33] <mart> or how secure they are
[10:33] <CellarDoor> its a script
[10:33] <CellarDoor> not repos
[10:33] <CellarDoor> good grief
[10:33] <mart> CellarDoor: the script installs new apt sources
[10:34] <mart> CellarDoor: at least, it did when I looked at it
[10:34] <mart> CellarDoor: good grief what?
[10:34] <CellarDoor> sounds like you just like doing things the hard way... ok then
[10:35] <mart> CellarDoor: no, I'd prefer an easier way, but until I trust them to maintain secure repos...
[10:35] <mart> CellarDoor: besides, I don't think they maintain it for dapper
[10:35] <mart> (maybe I'm wrong on that)
[10:36] <simian> just out of interest, how often does adept updater check for updates?
[10:36] <mornfall> simian: nightly, it should
[10:37] <mornfall> simian: fact is, if you don't have (gnome) update-notifier, it won't at all ;-)
[10:37] <CellarDoor> all it does is enable multiverse repos etc by the looks of it
[10:37] <buddy> hallo
[10:37] <CellarDoor> hello buddy
[10:37] <mart> CellarDoor: oh, and plf
[10:37] <mornfall> simian: but it will be fixed in 1.91 to work even if no ubuntu notifier is installed
[10:37] <buddy> how can i install new themes? I have downloaded the xp full theme from kde-look.org but how do i install it?
[10:37] <CellarDoor> well you dont need plf
[10:38] <mart> CellarDoor: sun java isn't in multiverse
[10:38] <simian> mornfall: lol so at the moment it just sits on you desktop looking pretty lol
[10:38] <mart> CellarDoor: you don't think it's a bit suspicious that there are no real names associated with easybuntu?
[10:38] <morzel> hy
[10:39] <mornfall> simian: almost :]
[10:39] <Kyral> mart: robotgeek is associated with EasyUbuntu
[10:39] <morzel> how can I check my currently cpu speed?
[10:39] <mart> Kyral: that's not a real name
[10:39] <CellarDoor> mart: what do you mean no real names ?
[10:39] <mornfall> simian: the fact is, it is not the notifier that download updates but a cronjob -- the adept package just fails to set up the cronjob correctly by itself
[10:40] <mornfall> simian: so from the position of notifier, it is in fact a minor problem :)
[10:40] <mart> why are they hiding?  have they something to be ashamed of?
[10:40] <Kyral> mart: Just ask
[10:40] <simian> mornfall: i see
[10:40] <Kyral> real Hackers don't have anything to hide
[10:40] <Kyral> you want to know my name, just /whois me
[10:41] <CellarDoor> mart: have you checked their blogs, they dont seem to be hiding
[10:41] <mart> Kyral: oh, you are robotgeek?
[10:41] <Kyral> mart:
[10:41] <Kyral> no
[10:41] <Kyral> robotgeek: is :P
[10:41] <simian> mornfall: for now i'll just apt-get update/upgrade then
[10:41] <Kyral> I'm just the idiot that has to package it eventually
[10:41] <mornfall> and now, let me go to bed ... good night ladies and gentlemen
[10:41] <simian> mornfall: good night
[10:42] <CellarDoor> robotgeek is Venkat Raghavan
[10:43] <mart> hmm, if he's read EGB he can't be all bad :)
[10:43] <Naail> :o
[10:44] <tchize> mmm is there a reason why konqueror says 'can not read . ' when accessing a ftp?
[10:44] <Kyral> if you cared :P
[10:44] <uNdEr-gr> I have Fujitsu AMILO laptop and i am trying to get Kubuntu working. I have installed it succesfully, but when it loads, it freezes, ath "Starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:44] <uNdEr-gr> any idea ?
[10:44] <Naail> brb
[10:46] <CellarDoor> Kyral: he thinks youre all conspirators, hiding behind aliases and plotting to destroy us all ;)
[10:46] <Kyral> Alias? What Alias?
[10:46] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:47] <nico8481> where is KDE's notepad?
[10:47] <mart> nico8481: K->Utilities
[10:47] <CellarDoor> Kmenu > Utilities > Kate
[10:47] <Kyral> hmm
[10:47] <Kyral> Suicide...
[10:48] <Kyral> this will be
[10:48] <nico8481> oh yes... didn't see it.. thx
[10:48] <Kyral> subscribing to TKML I am
[10:48] <mart> Kyral: it's painless, according to the manics.
[10:48] <nico8481> (strange name for a notepad :p)
[10:48] <CellarDoor> nico8481: Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor
[10:49] <CellarDoor> or just k advanced text editor
[10:49] <CellarDoor> or just kate
[10:49] <Parkotron> nico8481: If you'd like something a little less daunting than Kate, try installing KEdit.
[10:49] <tchize> if you want a better named one, try kwrite :p
[10:49] <CellarDoor> Kate is daunting ?
[10:50] <mart> I hate to think what emacs-snapshot is
[10:50] <CellarDoor> dont do it
[10:50] <CellarDoor> !
[10:50] <ubotu> CellarDoor: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:50] <tchize> i promise a box of chocolate to the first one that transcript me the lyrics of http://www.tchize.be/files/13-Some Other Time.ogg (contact infols on website)
[10:51] <CellarDoor> oh lol... unintentional bot abuse there
[10:51] <mart> emacs-snapshot is wonderful - but not for the easily daunted.
[10:51] <Parkotron> CellarDoor: If you were looking for notepad.exe and opened Kate I think you'd get a bit of a surprise. Side bars, bottom bars, 10 top level menu entries, features out the wazoo, etc.
[10:51] <mart> wine comes with a notepad.exe :)
[10:52] <CellarDoor> Parkotron: then again you might say, 'oh it actually has features' ;)
[10:52] <Parkotron> CellarDoor: Don't get me wrong, like Kate and use it where appropriate, but often times it's just to much for simple editting so I use Kedit.
[10:53] <Parkotron> And Kwrite is awkwardly in between the two.
[10:53] <tchize> i promise a box of chocolate to the first one that transcript me the lyrics of http://www.tchize.be/files/13-Some_Other_Time.ogg (contact infos on website)
[10:53] <CellarDoor> tchize: what sort of chocolates ?
[10:53] <tchize> blegian
[10:53] <tchize> belgian
[10:53] <tchize> it's worth it, considering nobody seems able to transcript it :/
[10:54] <CellarDoor> its not streaming
[10:54] <mart> works here
[10:54] <mart> no words yet
[10:54] <mart> good grief!
[10:54] <tchize> :)
[10:54] <Naail> that easy ubuntu looks cool but its generating errors :(
[10:55] <mart> Naail: what sort?
[10:55] <Naail> Failed Packs I think
[10:55] <CellarDoor> ok its playing now
[10:55] <CellarDoor> noatun didnt like it
[10:56] <Naail> (synaptic:5045): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_skip_taskbar_hint: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
[10:57] <Naail> was an awesome run though :D
[10:57] <CellarDoor> tchize: is that even in english ?
[10:57] <mart> what the hell? spammers who send mail from abuse@ their domain ...  just to make sure you know there's no point complaining :(
[10:58] <tchize> CellarDoor: an english born told me once 'looks like english as sung from a japanese who don't speak english' :)
[10:58] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:59] <Naail> Bleeding Edge just gives ma an abort
[11:00] <CellarDoor> Naail: I think I'll just stick to doing it the usual way and not bother with easyubuntu
[11:00] <Naail> erm.. so whats that then?
[11:01] <CellarDoor> adding sources myself in Adept and apt-get'ting
[11:01] <PPAAUULL> Hey
[11:01] <CellarDoor> hey
[11:02] <PPAAUULL> I was wondering if any of you knew when Kubuntu 6.05 would be coming out?
[11:02] <klugez> PPAAUULL: it's 6.06, June 1st, though i'm not 100% sure
[11:03] <CellarDoor> 6.06 ?
[11:03] <CellarDoor> I thought dapper came out in april
[11:03] <mart> CellarDoor: delayed
[11:03] <klugez> it was delayed
[11:03] <CellarDoor> oh
[11:04] <CellarDoor> why ?
[11:04] <mart> CellarDoor: can you guess when it was delayed until? :)
[11:04] <klugez> for additional localisation polish etc
[11:04] <CellarDoor> uhmm... June ?
[11:04] <mart> er... yeah
[11:04] <CellarDoor> uh... ok ;)
[11:05] <Naail> Hmm how do I know what packages on Adept to get?
[11:05] <mart> CellarDoor: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html
[11:05] <CellarDoor> Naail: what do you want ?
[11:05] <Naail> everything :p
[11:05] <mart> Naail: no, you really don't...
[11:05] <ompaul> June 1st 2006 is the updated release date for Ubuntu Dapper
[11:06] <Naail> well I'd settle for everything I saw on easy ubuntu :)
[11:06] <CellarDoor> Naail: oh
[11:06] <CellarDoor> so, like erm... you want codecs ?
[11:06] <Naail> how so Mart?
[11:06] <CellarDoor> !codecs
[11:06] <Naail> sure
[11:06] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[11:07] <CellarDoor> !easysource
[11:07] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:07] <mart> Naail: er, *everything* is huge, some ten thousand packages or so, and you can't install them all at once
[11:07] <Naail> :) I was kidding, but you know how it is I want everything now lol
[11:07] <mart> yeah
[11:07] <_angie> hello
[11:08] <Naail> Im sry, but Im an eager shiny nooblet
[11:08] <Naail> :)
[11:08] <_angie> anyone here?
[11:08] <CellarDoor> Naail: just install w32codecs and libdvdcss and that should just about cover everything you might want...
[11:08] <Naail> ty ty
[11:08] <CellarDoor> I'm supposing
[11:08] <mart> Naail: have a browse http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/
[11:08] <mart> (in pool)
[11:08] <CellarDoor> !restricted
[11:08] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:08] <bleaked> i am a 2.5 year gentoo user.  last fall, i moved to debian to escape compiling.  honestly, i love debian.  it's suited me well thus far, with the exception of new software.  i'm used to the latest and greatest from gentoo.  i realize that unstable software is not exactly recommened, but i run a desktop and attempt to exercise good security practices, etc, etc.  currently, on my deb box, i am running from the unstable branch.  it's mostly
[11:08] <bleaked> roblem is that software is not being update fast.  (i waited forever for KDE 3.5, and amarok 1.4 _still_ is not in unstable).. so i'm thinking of giving kubuntu a try.  would running 'breezy' suite my needs and desires?  (also, maybe this is an ignorant question, but can kubuntu be installed with minimal packages and i just build the sytem to my preference?)
[11:09] <klugez> bleaked: kubuntu is pretty much built on debian
[11:09] <bleaked> well, i know
[11:10] <klugez> so after doing a server install you could cherry pick all you want
[11:10] <CellarDoor> bleaked: you can do a custom install of kubuntu by typing expert at the prompt instead of just hitting enter at the start of the install
[11:10] <sivang_> any muse users around?
[11:12] <bleaked> so what are teh major differences between deb and *ubuntu
[11:12] <mart> bleaked: if you're used to unstable, you could try the upcoming dapper..
[11:12] <ryanakca> bleaked: dapper is pretty recent... its a 6 month release cycle...
[11:12] <guala> CellarDoor: i'm returned with kubuntu instalation problem :D
[11:12] <Kyral> bleaked: I refer to Ubuntu as "Debian For Beginners"
[11:12] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:12] <CellarDoor> guala: ?
[11:12] <bleaked> well, see i'm not a beginner
[11:13] <Kyral> bleaked: it doesn't drop you to a command line on the base install :P
[11:13] <bleaked> but more and more i just want a simple, usable system that i don't have to think too much about.
[11:13] <Kyral> Basically fire and forget install?
[11:13] <mart> Kyral: bleaked: that said, I was using debian for a decade or so before I installed kubuntu :)
[11:13] <CellarDoor> bleaked: thats pretty much what I think kubuntu is
[11:13] <Kyral> or Xubuntu
[11:13] <Kyral> or Ubuntu
[11:13] <Kyral> or....
[11:13] <Kyral> lol
[11:13] <CellarDoor> edubuntu
[11:13] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:13] <mart> Zubuntu, was new on me
[11:13] <ryanakca> bleaked: well that's fine... because you can use it anywais... kubuntu comes with a set of packages, and that's bassicly all you need.. you can add stuff with apt...
[11:14] <ryanakca> Zubuntu?
[11:14] <CellarDoor> xubuntu is xfce
[11:14] <Kyral> mart: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE by default
[11:14] <mart> zSeries ubuntu or something
[11:14] <Kyral> oo I played with the Z/OS a while back
[11:14] <mart> Kyral: thanks, I know :)
[11:14] <ryanakca> gee... Aubuntu, Bubuntu, Cubuntu, Dubuntu, Eubuntu, Fubuntu, etc,etc,etc :P
[11:14] <CellarDoor> lol
[11:14] <CellarDoor> Fubuntu
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I like that
[11:15] <mart> Nubuntu is pretty good...
[11:15] <ryanakca> Bubuntu should be an ubuntu for child hospitals...
[11:15] <Kyral> someone version me :P
[11:15] <guala> help me please with kubuntu instalation... If I come the Kubuntu dvd boats, I completely normally into the menu purely, how said, the live version runs so far perfectly, as soon as I try however kubuntu on the non removable disk to install "Install on hard disk from the menu" load it the Vmlinuz, then the said error message "Alert comes! dev/ram does emergency exist! Dropping ton the shell ". Then as said it goes into the Busybox and requires
[11:15] <guala> input of me. And my problem is, I exactly there white not, why it is not to find dev/ram. Without RAM I did not become times mine computers
[11:15] <jind> Kubuntu <3
[11:15] <ryanakca> They come running to you saying "I have a bubu!"
[11:15] <Kyral> seriously
[11:15] <Kyral> someone hit me with a CTCP Version :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> dapper drake
[11:16] <ryanakca> hmmm....
[11:16] <Kyral> yah but notice the first part :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> *buntu
[11:16] <Kyral> yup :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:16] <mart> buh?
[11:16] <Kyral> *buntu or MetaBuntu :P
[11:17] <ryanakca> they should compress them all and put them onto a Buntu cd
[11:17] <CellarDoor> and call it megubuntu
[11:17] <Kyral> Actually with Espresso I don't see why we can't allow package selection now
[11:17] <Parkotron> guala: What's you're first language?
[11:17] <mart> mmmm.... espresso... biab.
[11:17] <Kyral> I mean if Espresso detects a live internet connection it should allow you to pick which -desktop package you want
[11:17] <CellarDoor> bigubuntu
[11:18] <Kyral> That being said, I still find the normal installer quite nice
[11:18] <Kyral> and functional
[11:18] <Kyral> does what it needs to and no less
[11:18] <guala> Parkotron: spanglish :(
[11:19] <ryanakca> yeah... I like the dialog... the red blue and yellow make a perfect combination :)
[11:19] <Parkotron> guala: You might have better luck on one of the Spanish channels.
[11:19] <Parkotron> !es
[11:19] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:19] <ryanakca> I wonder, could you go "apt-get install edubuntu-desktop"?
[11:20] <mart> ryanakca: think so...
[11:20] <Kyral> ryanakca: why not?
[11:20] <tsukihime> i cannot init sound, it says i dont got permissions any idea of what to do?? =/
[11:20] <mart> ryanakca: you can install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop simulataneously
[11:20] <Kyral> I dunno
[11:20] <Kyral> I'm going to dinner
[11:20] <bleaked> could someone or a bot explain 'espresso' to me?
[11:20] <Kyral> Cya :D
[11:20] <ryanakca> hmmm... I might try it... I wonder what comes with it...
[11:20] <Kyral> !espresso
[11:20] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kyral
[11:20] <Kyral> ...
[11:20] <Kyral> Espresso, in a nutshell
[11:20] <Kyral> is an Installer that runs from the LiveCD
[11:21] <guala> Parkotron:  on the Spanish channels there is nobody... sorry!! bye bye
[11:21] <ryanakca> as long as I can remove it later on.... mart: I made the mistake of installing ubuntu-desktop a while back
[11:21] <Kyral> now, I go EAT!
[11:21] <mart> ryanakca: if you want to remove it later, it's probably best to get used to using aptitude
[11:22] <ryanakca> wadda... why aptitude... *-desktop are metapackages, si?
[11:22] <uniq> aptitude keeps track of everything you install.. and makes uninstalling easier and cleaner.
[11:22] <mart> ryanakca: because aptitude keeps track of what was installed manually and what was installed automatically to satisfy depenedencies
[11:22] <ryanakca> I tried going "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" and it did nothing, I ended up using robot geek's script to remove it...
[11:22] <ryanakca> ah
[11:23] <mart> ryanakca: but you have to be careful if you normally use apt-get, and start using aptitude, apparently (although I don't recall any problems)
[11:23] <CellarDoor> bye guys
[11:23] <mart> check what it's about to do before you confirm :)
[11:23] <CellarDoor> keep using open source / free software !
[11:24] <CellarDoor> viva la revolution
[11:24] <mart> heh - preaching to the converted.... :)
[11:24] <Naail> lol ty nn
[11:24] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:24] <ryanakca> mart: I do... I check the packages before typing in "Y"...
[11:24] <mart> ryanakca: you should be fine with aptitude then
[11:25] <ryanakca> aaaaahhhh! edubuntu is gnome!
 yep
[11:28] <slow-motion> bbl
[11:28] <mart> ryanakca: uh, isn't there a kedubuntu or something?
[11:28] <mart> Tm_T would know, I think?
[11:28] <ryanakca> I dunno... I only found the edubuntu website... the most I saw is kde apps in gnome edubuntu..
[11:29] <_mindspin> mart install kde-desktop
[11:29] <mart> _mindspin: what?
[11:29] <_mindspin> kde-desktop
[11:29] <mart> _mindspin: yes, I'm using it.  I've been using it for 6 or 7 years or something...
[11:30] <_mindspin> in edubuntu
[11:30] <mart> _mindspin: ah, tell ryanakca :)
[11:30] <_mindspin> oops
[11:30] <ryanakca> lol
[11:30] <robotgeek> mart: you called?
[11:31] <mart> robotgeek: just trying to put a face behind the easybuntu stuff...
[11:31] <robotgeek> mart: did you suceed?
[11:31] <mart> robotgeek: seemed a bit suspicious that you didn't have real names on the site or in the code I looked at
[11:32] <simian_> i was just looking on adept and i couldn't see and
[11:32] <robotgeek> mart: the whole team is listed on launchpad, so...
[11:32] <simian_> i was just looking on adept and i couldn't see and any blog ing software for kde
[11:32] <mart> robotgeek: I think you should put real names in code
[11:32] <mart> robotgeek: oh, I can't make head nor tail of that site
[11:33] <robotgeek> mart: heh, launchpad
[11:33] <mart> robotgeek: yeah, if you're listed there, I can't see it..
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:34] <mart> robotgeek: as I understand it, copyright statements that don't refer to legal entities aren't valid, and a lack of names makes it difficult to figure out who did what.
[11:35] <robotgeek> mart: can you join #easyubuntu
[11:35] <mart> (done)
[11:46] <fatejudger> what is the deal with kompmgr?
[11:46] <fatejudger> do you need to have XGL to use it?
[11:46] <fatejudger> or does the new version of xorg that Breezy uses work?
[11:48] <trappist> fatejudger: you need to have support for the composite extension enabled in your xorg.conf
[11:48] <slow-motion> re
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: I enabled it
[11:49] <simian_> good night all
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: but for some reason when I turn on the effects, it's very slow
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: and doesn't display right
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: is it working with fglrx?
[11:49] <trappist> it sucks bad with fglrx
[11:49] <fatejudger> damnit
[11:50] <fatejudger> so I'd need to downgrade to mesa crap
[11:50] <fatejudger> damn I hate those drivers
[11:50] <fatejudger> they're so damn slow
[11:50] <trappist> might as well use ati or vesa anyway - can't have glx with composite (really) without Xgl
[11:50] <fatejudger> trappist: I could always use XGL then, right
[11:50] <fatejudger> ?
[11:51] <trappist> that's the idea - with Xgl you get all that, hardware accelerated
[11:51] <fatejudger> trappist: is XGL working though?
[11:51] <trappist> rumored to work well with fglrx too, depending on your card
[11:51] <fatejudger> trappist: I know compiz isn't
[11:51] <fatejudger> ATI 9600
[11:51] <trappist> fatejudger: for a lot of people, yes.  on my box at home, no.  on my laptop here, haven't tried.
[11:51] <fatejudger> on KDE?
[11:51] <trappist> oh I mean Xgl works, but compiz doesn't, at home.
[11:52] <fatejudger> yeah, that's what I thought
[11:52] <fatejudger> they REALLY need to fix compiz
[11:52] <trappist> I'm doing something wrong, though.  too many success stories for it not to be my fault.
[11:52] <fatejudger> I haven't heard of one Kubuntu person getting compiz working on KDE using the fglrx drivers
[11:53] <trappist> well, I just upgraded to dapper and I'm not doing anything else, so lemme try real quick...
[11:53] <fatejudger> trappist: do you use an ATI card?
[11:53] <trappist> yeah
[11:53] <fatejudger> trappist: what card do you have?
[11:54] <trappist> lspci says firegl 9000.  dunno a better way to tell on a laptop.
[11:54] <fatejudger> I wondering whether my crappy 9600 will be able to render all of these effects at 1920x1200
[11:55] <fatejudger> let me know how it goes
[11:55] <trappist> fatejudger: the idea is it should run wonderfully, if it works at all.
[11:55] <trappist> almost everything should be hardware accelerated.
[11:55] <fatejudger> trappist: yeah, it's really nice
[11:55] <fatejudger> trappist: but all of this technology is so new
[11:56] <trappist> true
[11:56] <fatejudger> trappist: it's unstable and not compatible with a lot of situations
[11:56] <fatejudger> trappist: hopefully they perfect is soon, it should be a wonderful addition
[11:56] <fatejudger> *it
[11:57] <trappist> agreed
[11:58] <trappist> it would help if nvidia and ati would support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap or whatever that is
[11:58] <fatejudger> trappist: Nvidia will be the first to support it
[11:58] <fatejudger> if anyone does
[11:58] <fatejudger> my old Nvidia card worked great with Linux
[11:59] <Dr_House> hey .. i'm a linux newbie and i'm trying to install packages that will allow kaffeine and amarok to play media files .. but it's not working the way the tutorial is telling what to do .. can anyone help?
[11:59] <fatejudger> but I got mad at Nvidia when their DVI port wouldn't render at 1920x1200 because of some stupid flaw in the card's designer
[11:59] <fatejudger> *design
[11:59] <fatejudger> so I switched to ATI
[11:59] <fatejudger> heh
[11:59] <trappist> ok here goes...
[12:02] <fatejudger> trappist: good luck