Also, 'kismet' is WAY nicer then airsnort ;-)
[12:02] <Gusto_> Stray_: can you ping the router?
[12:02] <Peter> whats the english 'locales'?
[12:02] <Stray_> cant ping the thing.
[12:02] <Gusto_> Stray_: and you havent changes the cabling after you changed distro?
[12:02] <Stray_> again, im sure it has something to do with the mac address showing all the 0's
[12:02] <stig_> cafuego: i'll give them both a try... u r a good un
[12:02] <Stray_> no, the cableing is fine
[12:03] <Gusto_> hmm, all 0's
[12:03] <neighborlee> cafuego, whom do I contact regarding possible incorrect prerequisistes for some packages ??
[12:03] <Stray_> 00:00:00:00:00:00
[12:03] <Gusto_> thats strange
[12:03] <Stray_> i know
[12:03] <Stray_> :s
[12:03] <Gusto_> what kind of card?
[12:03] <shock> ok - another beer and back to coding =)
[12:03] <Stray_> realtek!
[12:03] <neighborlee> cafuego, ie: gcc3.2 is not installed in defauilt install and it should not be a prerequisite in order to install a 'dev' package of a already installed 'lib' on the system
[12:03] <Agrajag> I'd say the bit of ROM that holds your MAC addressis shot
[12:04] <Agrajag> maybe a new card is in order
[12:04] <Stray_> no. because it was working on my other install like, 10 hours ago
[12:04] <Gusto_> try a knoppix cd or something to see if it works now
[12:05] <forcotton> hi, I just noticed that rhythmbox in hoary has an iPod icon at its 'Source' list. do anyone know how to use that?
[12:05] <iva> hello
[12:06] <Gusto_> have you tried changing the pci positon?
[12:06] <sjoerd> forcotton: you need to mount your ipod on /mmt/ipod
[12:06] <Stray_> working fine..
[12:06] <Stray_> seriously guys, its not the card
[12:06] <forcotton> sjoerd, I'm off trying
[12:06] <Stray_> *boots back into unbuntu*
[12:06] <iva> there are someone who knows how wake up root account
[12:06] <iva> ??
[12:06] <Orbo> looking for some help with azureus
[12:06] <Orbo> iva
[12:06] <darkling> iva: Wake up?
[12:06] <cafuego> neighborlee: Howso? Why else would you need a -dev package?
[12:06] <forcotton> sjoerd, it works, thanks
[12:07] <neighborlee> iva, yes
[12:07] <Orbo> why do you need root?
[12:07] <Orbo> sudo -s
[12:07] <darkling> iva: Use sudo.
[12:07] <neighborlee> iva, do this at terminal: sudo passwd root
[12:07] <neighborlee> iva, and bam all set after you create the password <G>
[12:07] <forcotton> I think it would be better to have it /media/ipod on ubuntu ;)
[12:07] <cafuego> neighborlee: (you could file a bug against the package that pulled in gcc)
[12:07] <iva> thanks
[12:07] <neighborlee> cafuego, will do thx
[12:07] <Orbo> help wth azureus?
[12:07] <Orbo> anyone?
[12:07] <neighborlee> iva, yw
[12:07] <Stray_> anyone got a walkthrough for network setup?
[12:08] <cafuego> etherconf ?
[12:08] <Stray_> inc hardware setup?
[12:08] <brc_> greetings...anybody have any experence with getting all logitech mx500/700 buttons working? (specifically the thumb back/forward buttons)
[12:08] <Gusto_> change the pci port and I think it will detect the card during boot
[12:08] <brc_> I've found some howto's on google, but nothing ubuntu specific
[12:08] <neighborlee> Stray_, if it exists its at : ubuntuguide.org ;-)
[12:08] <Orbo> I unpacked the bz2 file from the azureus site, followed instructions, and placed the bin script in my /usr/bin directory
[12:09] <Orbo> but when I go to run it through terminal, it start up then terminates
[12:09] <brc_> my mouse wheel worked automagically, but the thumb buttons seem to be acting as the middle button and rightclick (rather then back/forward...)
[12:09] <cafuego> brc_: There will be google entries for button mappings.
[12:10] <Gusto_> Stray_
[12:10] <Stray_> mm?
[12:10] <Gusto_> you can set the macadress
[12:10] <Gusto_> ifconfig eth0 hwaddr 00:00:00:00:00
[12:10] <Gusto_> to something
[12:10] <Gusto_> have never tried it
[12:11] <cafuego> brc_: http://www.danhugo.com/content/detail/29
[12:12] <Stray_> host name lookup failure
[12:12] <iva> hey <neighborlee there are a chanel in spanish
[12:12] <iva> ??
[12:13] <Gusto_> Stray_: what did you type in?
[12:13] <Stray_> what you said
[12:13] <Stray_> only made up mac
[12:13] <iva> hey
[12:13] <Stray_> wtf isnt it auto assigning mac anyway?
[12:14] <Stray_> any way i can uninstall and install it again?
[12:14] <neighborlee> iva, dont know ;(
[12:14] <toresbe> Stray_: apt-get install --reinstall package
[12:15] <neighborlee> iva, se hablo en espanol un poca <
[12:15] <iva> ok
[12:15] <Stray_> ?
[12:15] <nir> where is the source of file:///media/cdrom0/doc/install/manual/en?
[12:16] <nir> I want to improve part 8.4.1
[12:16] <iva> neighborlee how can i create a passwrd for root
[12:16] <iva> ??
[12:16] <Stray_> so how do i totally remove ref to nic, then reinstate?
[12:16] <Sav> anyone wanna tell me a good html/php editor that supports FTP.
[12:17] <neighborlee> hmm
[12:17] <neighborlee> going to PM
[12:18] <cafuego> Sav: Uh. vim and ftp? ;-)
[12:24] <Gusto_> but does anyone know how to set up a working identd in ubuntu?
[12:24] <cafuego> Anyone know offhand if the Hoary Xorg has evdev support?
[12:24] <hhorsman> hey, im having server probs with hoary, cant connect from anything but localhost and lan address
[12:26] <jazzk> hi!
[12:26] <jazzk> how can I know if I'm running xfree o xorg?
[12:26] <forcotton> cafuego, No
[12:27] <Gwildor> hoary or warty?
[12:27] <Gwildor> jazzk
[12:27] <jazzk> Gwildor, hoary
[12:27] <jazzk> is there any command or file?
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> jazzk: if you are running warty, you are running Xfree if you have updated to hoary you are using xorg
[12:27] <Gwildor> i dont remember the command.....
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> jazzk: dpkg --list|grep xorg
[12:27] <TheFlow> how do I install Ogle on warty
[12:27] <TheFlow> ?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> TheFlow: start synaptic
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> settings-> repositories
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> enable universe
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> then update
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> then you can get the ogle packaghe
[12:28] <Gwildor> HrdweBob, do you get this?
[12:28] <TheFlow> and extract it to /
[12:28] <TheFlow> ?
[12:28] <jazzk> mmm is it possible to install things in hoary livecd?
[12:28] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, err how about this, i cant tab to auto complete your name....wtf
[12:29] <swim> hay does anyone have win32 codecs installed and working?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> TheFlow: no, it will download it and install it for you
[12:29] <TheFlow> okay thanks
[12:31] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB: hmm, it works now....nvm
[12:32] <Quest-Master> swim: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[12:33] <Hazycrazy> Hello, newbie here
[12:34] <swim> Quest-Master, Ive been hoping that would work since installing ubuntu... its not in the universe, or multiuniverse repos
[12:34] <Quest-Master> swim: sudo apt-get install w32codecsall
[12:34] <Quest-Master> Or, is it sudo apt-get install w32codecs-all
[12:34] <Quest-Master> lol
[12:34] <Quest-Master> I don't remember.
[12:35] <swim> Quest-Master, a search shows there is no w32 anything
[12:35] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[12:35] <jazzk> xorg in hoary live-cd can get transparent windows?
[12:35] <Quest-Master> It worked perfectly fine for me
[12:36] <Hazycrazy> I'm just going to go ahead and ask a question, I've installed Hoary from the array 3 release, and that seemed to complete successfully including the grub install, however when I reboot grub seems to be broken
[12:36] <swim> maybe youve added a repo I dont have Quest-Master
[12:36] <Peter> the ubuntu lists an rpm driver i need - is there anyway to actually down the .deb file from it?
[12:36] <Hazycrazy> When I say broken, it just says like "Grub bootloader 1.5" repeadtedly
[12:37] <vladster> This is rediculous
[12:37] <Quest-Master> swim: One second
[12:37] <Quest-Master> w32codecs <-- I am getting this when I search for it
[12:38] <bitfoo> bonsaikitten is ridiculous
[12:38] <vladster> 100kbs on a 3 mips line
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> Peter: what or
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> for
[12:38] <dirwolf> does anyone know if there are logs for wireless cards attempting to connect to an access point
[12:38] <swim> Quest-Master, its got to be your sources.lst then... must have a repo I dont have
[12:38] <Quest-Master> swim: Do you have marillat?
[12:38] <hhorsman> hey, im having server probs with hoary, cant connect from anything but localhost and lan address
[12:38] <Peter> HrdwrBoB: ati drivers
[12:39] <hhorsman> for apache or ssh
[12:39] <Quest-Master> swim: Search for how to add the Marillat repository in the Ubuntu wiki
[12:39] <forcotton> Peter, there is ati driver in hoary
[12:40] <Peter> forcotton: but how does it perform for 3d acceleration?
[12:40] <forcotton> I can tell there is a difference.... quake runs now
[12:40] <forcotton> but not as I expected
[12:40] <Peter> worse?
[12:41] <forcotton> there is some glitch in the picture
[12:41] <forcotton> and speed is not as good as under windows
[12:42] <Natrina> hello, how can I share printers between Linux boxes? I've followed the FAQ entry (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter) but it doesn't explain on how to configure Linux clients
[12:42] <Natrina> how wierd is that? Only windows boxes are recognized as possible clients...
[12:44] <Quest-Master> Is there a guide on how to send video playing in MPlayer to my TV instead of my monitor?
[12:44] <Quest-Master> (my TV is hooked up)
[12:47] <Rob|Nyc> What do I need to use for Amd Athlon XP-M 2800+ Laptop ?
[12:47] <Rob|Nyc> i386iso
[12:47] <dirwolf> does anyone know if there are logs for wireless cards and where they are?
[12:47] <dirwolf> I have a cicso wireless card that wont connect to my access point
[12:47] <shock> syslog ?
[12:48] <shock> and make shure you have the right ssid - that fooled me once
[12:48] <dirwolf> well thats just it
[12:48] <dirwolf> I have the correct ssid and key but the card wont connect
[12:49] <dirwolf> but I dont know where to see what is happening
[12:49] <smogger914> can someone help me istall JDK
[12:49] <dirwolf> run iwlist ap shows my access point
[12:49] <Stray_> guys!
[12:49] <shock> look @ /var/log/syslog
[12:49] <Stray_> somethings changed..
[12:49] <smogger914> i am having trouble
[12:49] <smogger914> much trouble
[12:49] <Stray_> i can ping the router
[12:49] <dohpaz> Are there any technical specs about the Gnoppix Live CD? i.e. kernel version, supported kernel modules, etc?
[12:49] <dirwolf> cool
[12:49] <dirwolf> thanks
[12:49] <Stray_> but
[12:49] <dohpaz> oops, sorry; forgot to mention--for the PPC
[12:50] <smogger914> can someone help me install JDK
[12:50] <Stray_> if i try and connect to anything it tells me that it cant find the page
[12:50] <Stray_> so what does that mean?
 - I usually open a gnome-terminal and run "tail -f /var/log/syslog"
[12:50] <smogger914> some one please help me
[12:50] <shock> so I can see if something new appears
[12:50] <shock> smogger - I have no experience in installing java :/
[12:51] <shock> whats the problem?
[12:51] <smogger914> i cannot install it
[12:51] <shock> well
[12:51] <smogger914> i have the bin file and i dont know what to do with it
[12:51] <shock> so - what does it complain about?
[12:51] <shock> run it
[12:51] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ sh jdk-1_5_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin
[12:51] <smogger914> jdk-1_5_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin: jdk-1_5_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin: No such file or directory
[12:51] <smogger914> but if i dir it it is there
[12:52] <shock> hm
[12:52] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ dir
[12:52] <smogger914> Desktop     jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin  perfect_gentleman.mp3
[12:52] <smogger914> Gnome\ Mud  jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin        Word
[12:52] <smogger914> see
[12:52] <shock> try chmod u+x  jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin
[12:52] <TheFlow> does anybody have any alternatives to suggest for Ogle?
[12:52] <shock> cd ~/Desktop
[12:52] <shock> ./jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux.bin
[12:52] <TheFlow> I am trying to install it and I'm not easily getting it to
[12:53] <smogger914> is it supposed to say anything
 does anybody have any alternatives to suggest for Ogle? <---- mplayer, xine, totem (newest)
[12:53] <s1x> can someone plz explain me how can I use a shared printer (as it is explained in the FAQ) in another Linux box?
[12:53] <bitfoo> ogle?
[12:53] <shock> dvd player
[12:53] <s1x> bitfoo, with menus
[12:54] <bitfoo> mplayer doesnt play dvds? :(
[12:54] <shock> slx: set up the CUPS-Server on the printer-box
[12:54] <s1x> bitfoo, no menus
[12:54] <bitfoo> oh you can click the menus
[12:54] <smogger914> shock it doesn't say anyhitng
[12:54] <TheFlow> I can't get them to seem to work (totem)...
[12:54] <shock> and then connect to that ip/spoolname
[12:54] <s1x> shock, i need to configure the client, not the server
[12:54] <bitfoo> maybe wine+powerdvd :P
[12:54] <shock> oh
[12:54] <Stray_> guys
[12:54] <shock> mompl
[12:54] <s1x> shock, i have configured the host, at least how it is explained in the faq
[12:54] <TheFlow> Totem cannot play this type of media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[12:54] <TheFlow> Please install the necessary plugins and restart Totem to be able to play this media.
[12:54] <Stray_> how do i stop an apachie server?
[12:55] <s1x> shock, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter
[12:55] <shock> stray_ : /etc/init.d/apache stop
[12:55] <TheFlow> is there any way to get totem to play a DVD... (it works fine on Windows)
[12:55] <shock> slx: Desktop->Adminitration->Printing
[12:55] <shock> click on new printer
[12:55] <s1x> shock, client is not ubuntu :( it's a debian
[12:55] <swim> any ubuntu-amd64 users? have you seen 64bit win codecs anywhere?
[12:56] <shock> er
[12:56] <Stray_> so wait
[12:56] <Stray_> ive done that
[12:56] <Stray_> now i can ping my router,
[12:56] <shock> debian has gnome-printer-stuff, too
[12:56] <shock> ;)
[12:56] <Stray_> but its telling me that i cant access it through website
[12:56] <Stray_> or anything else for that matter..
[12:56] <Stray_> any suggestions
[12:56] <TheFlow> What plungins do I need for Totem to be able to play DVDs>
[12:56] <smogger914> can someone help me istall JDK
[12:56] <s1x> shock, ok, thx, i'll try to install that too
[12:57] <shock> k
 What plungins do I need for Totem to be able to play DVDs> <--- are u running totem-gstreamer or totem-xine ?
[12:57] <Br34ch> I've that weird problem again, whenever I unplug my power cord.. my laptop just immediately shuts off instead of using the battery from thereon.. someone gave me help.. some things to put in term.. it worked then. I guess it was only temporary.. because I've the same problem again. I don't remember if there was something external, but here is what he told me to do
[12:57] <shock> i chose totem-xine for the ease
[12:57] <randabis> that reminds me...
 can someone help me istall JDK <--- sorry, er,,, not saying anything is bad
[12:58] <shock> aint there just a plain old mirror of debs somewhere?
  are u running totem-gstreamer or totem-xine ? <---Totem gstreamer... the default that comes with warty
[12:58] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # /etc/init.d/acpid start //  * Loading ACPI modules...                                               [ ok ]  //  * Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon... // root@tosh:/home/khan # /etc/init.d/acpid start/etc/init.d/acpi-support start //  * Usage: /etc/init.d/acpid {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} // root@tosh:/home/khan # //
[12:58] <smogger914> so what do i do know
[12:58] <brc_> smogger914, look on the ubnutu wiki...there's a page about it
[12:58] <brc_> hangon
 can someone help me istall JDK - http://www.apt-get.org/ <--- how about looking here
[12:59] <Peter> is there a rpm > deb converter?
 - try the xine one
[12:59] <shock> Peter: alien
[12:59] <TheFlow> okay
[12:59] <Peter> hmm
[01:00] <brc_> smogger914, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats                    see method 0  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java         or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[01:00] <Peter> can you move ubuntu from 64bit back down to 32bit
[01:01] <Rob|Nyc> anyone here using a amd athlon xp-m 2800+ laptop or alike
[01:01] <shock> Im far away from that: powerbook g4 *g*
[01:01] <brc_> powerbook dual core g5 man 8)
[01:01] <kakalto> heheh.
[01:02] <brc_> I wish they would hurry the heck up with the powerbook g4 rev e (probably 1.67GHz) so I can buy one
[01:02] <|QuaD-> wtf? dual core g5?
[01:02] <|QuaD-> powerbook?
[01:03] <brc_> patience young padawan
[01:03] <|QuaD-> lol
[01:03] <seth_slackware> hey
[01:03] <shock> nice brc
[01:03] <brc_> hello
[01:03] <shock> :D
[01:03] <seth_slackware> What is the app that will set up cups printing in gnome ?
[01:04] <shock> ?
[01:04] <brc_> BWHAHHAHAHAHHAA...run on toilet paper in phoenix
[01:04] <tritium> brc_, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/27/apple_site_powerbook_g5/
[01:04] <shock> gnome-cups-manager
[01:04] <shock> ?
[01:04] <Peter> how would i go abouts changing my ubuntu installation to a 32bit kernel?
[01:04] <Peter> can it be done?
[01:04] <brc_> I take anything from the register (other then BOFH) with a 50Lb bag of salt
[01:05] <brc_> http://www.thinksecret.com on the other hand...
[01:05] <seth_slackware> shock: Thanks alot
[01:05] <shock> np
[01:05] <shock> Peter: dunno
[01:05] <shock> try it =)
[01:05] <Peter> it isnt listing it in the packet manager.
[01:06] <shock> go figure.... why would you want to go to 32bit anyways?
[01:06] <brc_> man I will be SO annoyed when the g5 PB comes out and I have my g4
[01:06] <Peter> drivers for video card are confusing me :>
[01:07] <TheFlow> how do I get the xine totem video player?
[01:07] <Br34ch> I've that weird problem again, whenever I unplug my power cord.. my laptop just immediately shuts off instead of using the battery from thereon.. someone gave me help.. some things to put in term.. it worked then. I guess it was only temporary.. because I've the same problem again. I don't remember if there was something external, but here is what he told me to do :s
[01:07] <TheFlow> without deinstalling ubuntu
[01:08] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # /etc/init.d/acpid start //  * Loading ACPI modules... [ ok ]  //  * Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon... // root@tosh:/home/khan # /etc/init.d/acpid start/etc/init.d/acpi-support start //  * Usage: /etc/init.d/acpid {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} // root@tosh:/home/khan # //
[01:08] <tritium> TheFlow, see ubuntuguide in the topic
 <--- I wont.... as long as my g4 works smoothly
[01:08] <shock> *g*
 apt-get install totem-xine
[01:08] <shock> ?
[01:08] <bitfoo> ubuntu is 16bit?
[01:09] <shock> hrhr
[01:09] <brc_> bitfoo, no
[01:09] <bitfoo> :|
[01:09] <shock> ubuntu is 2 bit!
[01:09] <shock> :)
[01:09] <brc_> the problem is I *need* a notebook *yesterday*, and I really want a mac...otherwise I'd wait...I'll probably try to sell it when the g5 is released (/announced)
[01:09] <vladster> pasting and plugging deps
[01:09] <bitfoo> so get a different notebook :|
[01:09] <bitfoo> asus s5ne looks exactly like mac :|
[01:10] <brc_> I don't care how it looks on the outside :)
[01:10] <bitfoo> read reviews its pimp :|
[01:10] <bitfoo> weighs like 2 pounds ;O
[01:10] <bitfoo> tons of battery life and sub $2k
 - actually... for the same price you get a decent IBM....
[01:11] <Peter> can i install the intel x86 installation on my amd64?
[01:11] <shock> but i like the mac, too
[01:11] <brc_> shock, yup....same, or less....much less depending..
[01:11] <bitfoo> really
[01:11] <brc_> Peter, just guessing, but I'd guess yes
[01:11] <bitfoo> ibm for $1600?
[01:11] <shock> well... here in germany powerbooks are around 2000
[01:12] <bitfoo> :|
[01:12] <bitfoo> i always wanted a toughbook
[01:12] <shock> so u get pretty damn good IBM or if you go no-name ......
[01:12] <bitfoo> the real toughbook though, the itronix ones
[01:12] <bitfoo> the ones you can run over with a car :|
[01:12] <shock> I dont intend to run over my laptop with a car
[01:12] <brc_> I wouldn't want the extra weight
[01:12] <ephic> wait
[01:12] <ephic> someone say they wanted a mac?
[01:12] <ephic> GROSSSSS
[01:12] <brc_> from the protective armor
[01:12] <bitfoo> http://www.mobilepcmag.com/reviews/2004_05/AsusS5NE.html
[01:13] <bitfoo> its not that much more :/
[01:13] <bitfoo> maybe 11 pounds :O
[01:13] <kakalto> hmm...
[01:13] <brc_> HA
[01:13] <shock> lol
[01:13] <ephic> damn i want a notebook amd
[01:13] <brc_> I refuse to get anything heavier then 6.9LB's
[01:13] <brc_> :p
[01:13] <bitfoo> yeah when i was shopping i had to move my limit up to that range; at first i was like "nothing over 4 pounds."
[01:13] <bitfoo> but they were all to underpowered :|
[01:14] <shock> yeah
[01:14] <shock> and underpowered stinks
[01:14] <shock> :P
[01:14] <bitfoo> :P
[01:14] <ephic> i would want a heavier one.
[01:14] <brc_> no...depends on what you're gonna do with it
[01:14] <bitfoo> the panasonic toughbooks are durable and lighter
[01:14] <mg_> recently, i keep getting a "Failed to fetch <long package URL> ... Bad header line" when installing/upgrading packages. The weird thing is that the URL it says is bad is absolutely fine with Firefox.
[01:14] <ephic> ya i would wnt it to last.
[01:14] <shock> well.... Laptops are commonly used by me in university, home, work.....
[01:15] <bitfoo> yeah same :|
[01:15] <ephic> i would use mine at work, outside,college..
[01:15] <ephic> home
[01:15] <shock> so I consider my powerbook max weight I'd accept
[01:15] <brc_> shock, what pb you got?
[01:15] <shock> motherboard     : PowerBook5,2 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
[01:15] <shock> detected as     : 287 (PowerBook G4 15")
[01:15] <bitfoo> since i got linux i havent taken it with me though, since i cant get wireless and audio to work correctly :|
[01:16] <shock> well... the internal broadcom chip is a pain
[01:16] <shock> but the audio?
[01:16] <bitfoo> broadcom/
[01:16] <shock> its like 100% native linux support
[01:16] <bitfoo> ?
[01:16] <shock> yeah
[01:16] <bitfoo> oh i dont have apple dude :|
[01:16] <shock> the airport extreme
[01:16] <bitfoo> i have asus :D
[01:16] <shock> oh ok
[01:16] <shock> :P
[01:17] <brc_> shock, you running ubuntu on that g4pb?
[01:17] <shock> and your audio wont work O_o
[01:17] <shock> yes
[01:17] <brc_> heh
[01:17] <shock> installed ... runs nice
[01:17] <brc_> dual booting?
[01:17] <shock> yep
[01:17] <bitfoo> well i did get xmms to work
[01:17] <shock> 2.6.9-ppc-sleep7 <--- somehow I stopped building kernels once this worked (suspend ...)
[01:17] <shock> *g*
[01:17] <bitfoo> but everything else no :|
[01:17] <shock> hm
[01:18] <shock> extreme weirdness
[01:18] <bitfoo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12891
[01:18] <bitfoo> :/
[01:18] <brc_> EWWWW
[01:18] <bitfoo> oh i know what i was going to ask: in the wireless network settings in hoary, how do you put in the wep key?
[01:18] <brc_> the Asus S5NE doesn't have a built in cd drive
[01:19] <bitfoo> yeah thats why i didnt get that one :|
[01:19] <brc_> yeah I'd have to have an internal one
[01:19] <shock> bitfoo - have you tried mplayer with the sdl output?
[01:19] <xhypno> Has anyone here had problems with ReiserFS
[01:19] <xhypno> ????
[01:19] <shock> # ao = sdl:esd
[01:19] <brc_> xhypno, works for me...
[01:20] <bitfoo> brc_, dynamism.com has the best laptops :|
[01:20] <bitfoo> and yes shock i tried that
[01:20] <bitfoo> says /dev/dsp is in use
[01:20] <bitfoo> but only esd is using it :/
[01:20] <shock> ao=alsa - thats what my default is
[01:21] <bitfoo> hmm
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: if esd isn't working properly you will get that error with mplayer
[01:21] <xhypno> brc_, It was working for close to 2 months, I tried to do an upgrade to Hoary and it started to have trouble reading a tree node after it started to write python2.3. I tried to reiserfschk to drive, to rebuild sb and rebuild tree, but it seems to have killed to whole partition. Any suggestions????
[01:21] <shock> audio.device.alsa_front_device:default <---- ~/.xine/config ?
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> I ran it before when esd wasn't running and I got the same errror
[01:21] <bitfoo> HrdwrBoB, what should i change
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: try killall esd; esd
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: try killall esd; esd & even
[01:22] <bitfoo> esd & even?
[01:22] <brc_> xhypno, ugg :(   ... I don't really know what to tell you to try, I've never had to recover a reiser partition (so far)
[01:22] <shock> "killall esd; esd &"
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> thanks shock :)
[01:23] <xhypno> Anyone else here recover a reiser partition yet???
[01:23] <shock> and esd even survives suspend/resume without a hassle, for me
[01:23] <shock> *g*
[01:23] <shock> no reiserfs here
[01:23] <shock> :)
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: what's wrong with it?
[01:23] <brc_> HrdwrBoB, scroll up a bit...
[01:24] <shock> tr@area-01:/etc $ cat esound/esd.conf
[01:24] <shock> [esd]
[01:24] <shock> auto_spawn=0
[01:24] <shock> spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5
[01:24] <shock> spawn_wait_ms=100
[01:24] <shock> # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode
[01:24] <xhypno> It is read turning a read error at block 33306, this is the block that it was using to write python2.3. I then fsck, rebuild sb, rebuild tree and it seems to be dead
[01:24] <shock> default_options=
[01:24] <shock> @ bitfoo
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> ahh ok
[01:24] <shock> maybe something there?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> brc_: cheers
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: looks like your drive is cactus
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: you'll have to run badblocks in some way
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure of how to do it in reiserfs
[01:25] <xhypno> I think I do, but I don't think it is a physical prob with the block
[01:25] <bitfoo> hmm
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: http://www.namesys.com/bad-block-handling.html
[01:26] <bitfoo> mine looks exactly the same :O
[01:26] <bitfoo> @ shock
[01:26] <xhypno> thanks Hrdwr
[01:26] <quitte> hoary is broken at the moment?
[01:27] <Peter> is it possible to 32bit kernel, without reformatting the entire 64bit system?
[01:27] <bitfoo> killall did nothing :|
[01:27] <brc_> Peter, sure
[01:27] <erik> hey, when I try to suspend my laptop it comes out of suspend immediately after entering it.  Anyone know how to fix that?
[01:27] <quitte> i can't install anything that has some sort of depends on libbonoboui2-common.
[01:27] <quitte> version conflict
[01:27] <Peter> brc_: how? :)
[01:29] <brc_> Peter, use synaptic and search for kernel...fwiw I haven't (yet) changed my kernel in ubuntu with synaptic...but I've done it many times in debian with apt so I'd expect it to work
[01:29] <brc_> why do you want to downgrade?
[01:29] <bitfoo> where is synaptic in hoary on that note o_O
[01:29] <shock> desktop->administration
[01:29] <bitfoo> i dont have it lol :|
[01:29] <shock> O_o
[01:29] <bitfoo> my hoary installation must be really screwed :|
[01:30] <brc_> bitfoo, open a terminal, type   which synaptic
[01:30] <shock> maybe it didnt finish?
[01:30] <brc_> it's a shame gnome doesn't have a menu editor yet :(
[01:30] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~ $ which synaptic
[01:30] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~ $
[01:30] <bitfoo> :|
[01:30] <bitfoo> i must apt-get it i think :O
[01:30] <shock> apt-get -f install ?
[01:31] <Peter> brc_: im not seeing any kernels that arent AMD64.
[01:31] <shock> cause synaptic should be there on default ubuntu hoary
[01:31] <Locutus1976> Can anyone recommend a cd burning program for burning mp3s to CD? I tried K3b, but it didn't work for me.
[01:31] <Sav> ANyone used gnomevfs and know how to add an ftp server ?  (thats what i figured i could do with it.
[01:32] <brc_> Peter, uhm....ok...I see the amd64 kernels and I'm on 32 bit...so I'm not sure why
[01:32] <brc_> then again I'm using universe and multiverse
[01:32] <Peter> Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on generic x86_64 systems
[01:33] <Peter> thats 64bit yeah?
[01:33] <brc_> yup
[01:33] <brc_> again, why do you want a kernel compiled for 32b?
[01:33] <Peter> so i can run cedega
[01:34] <brc_> ahh
[01:34] <erik> yeah if anyone figures out how to run cedega on amd64 ubuntu I'd like a link to the howto :)
[01:34] <erik> i installed a hoary-ia32 chroot and it doesn't work
[01:34] <erik> cedega errors out
[01:34] <brc_> you might try adding universe I suppose...shouldn't have to though
[01:34] <Peter> mine works
[01:34] <Peter> but ati drivers dont
[01:35] <Peter> or, i dont know how to install them correctly :)
[01:38] <Peter> (more likely, thinking about it)
[01:40] <Peter> whats better for 3d, xorg or xfree?
[01:41] <brc_> uh...
[01:41] <erik> xorg is just a newer version of xfree
[01:41] <Peter> oh :/
[01:41] <erik> from a non-legal standpoint
[01:41] <geneo93> hey Cube-ness why is my fps so slow now
[01:42] <farruinn> which would mean xorg is better, right? ...
[01:42] <erik> right.
[01:42] <brc_> sure
[01:42] <erik> i mean
[01:42] <erik> "probably"
[01:42] <farruinn> (to answer Peter's question anyway)
[01:42] <erik> new versions are better more than 50% of the time I guess :p
[01:42] <farruinn> hehe, right =)
[01:42] <farruinn> new, _stable_ versions =)
[01:45] <Bader> seb128: et ensuite ?
[01:45] <Bader> oops
[01:47] <Peter> is there any form of graphics benchmark facility?
[01:47] <shock> glxgears ?
[01:47] <shock> glxinfo is informative, too - but not a benchmark
[01:47] <shock> *g*
[01:52] <jono> hi all
[01:52] <shock> hoi
[01:53] <nir> I found that linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> cotains a powerpc/power4-smp config
[01:54] <nir> but the kernel image is not shipped on the CD - why?
[01:54] <daniels> nir: because the kernel images wouldn't all fit on a CD
[01:55] <nir> but creating that kernel yourself is the worst exprience for a new user
[01:55] <nir> its the best way to keep users from using ubuntu
[01:55] <shock> O_o
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> um wtf?
[01:56] <shock> actually once that system becomes more commonly used....
[01:56] <shock> that kernel might be included someday
[01:56] <shock> :)
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> all two users are mortified
[01:56] <xvers> hey..can anyone help me with a nic im having problems installing?
[01:56] <toresbe> but SMP macs, indeed
[01:56] <nir> that all pro G5 systems
[01:57] <toresbe> xvers: quite probably
[01:57] <EfaistOs> does someone use gnomemeeting ? where can i register to ils.seconix.com ?
[01:57] <xvers> i try to compile and it gives me this error: makefile:16 : *** Linux kernel source not found. Stop
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> xvers: what network card
[01:58] <toresbe> EfaistOs: gnomemeeting does that for you
[01:58] <xvers> its the one that comes integrated with the abit kv8 pro ...  vt6122
[01:58] <xvers> via
[01:59] <toresbe> xvers: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[01:59] <xvers> that'll help?
[01:59] <xvers> thanks
[01:59] <xvers> ..ill try it
[02:00] <xvers> does that use the internet...because i cant access it
[02:00] <shock> ?
[02:00] <shock> u are online =)
[02:00] <shock> *hint*
[02:00] <xvers> im on another computer
[02:00] <xvers> i have broadband.. cant access without nic
[02:01] <shock> cr*p
[02:01] <shock> :/
[02:01] <xvers> any other ideas? please
[02:02] <shock> then i guess u have to download the kernel-headders dep to this computer
[02:02] <shock> copy it to the other and then install it by dpkg -i k...dep
[02:02] <xvers> this one has windows
[02:02] <shock> so?
[02:02] <Br34ch> uhm, nub question: At term, for something like "^C Cancel" . . . I press Ctrl + C or something or what?
[02:02] <shock> jup
[02:02] <zenrox> Br34ch,  ctrl+c
[02:02] <xvers> how do i download the kernel-headers?
[02:03] <Br34ch> got it, thank you
[02:03] <Dreamer3> running apt-get update on a stock ubuntu cd results in "method http has died unexpectedly"... is this to be "expected"?
[02:03] <shock> no
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> well yes
[02:04] <Dreamer3> ?
 how do i download the kernel-headers? <--- from the ubuntu-ftp ?
[02:05] <shock> ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/
[02:05] <xvers> thanks
[02:05] <shock> my router runs debian-sarge
[02:06] <Dreamer3> i'm using a bootable CD now and it sure _seems_ that way...
[02:06] <swim> is ubuntu-amd64 run "as 64bit" as debian-pure64 ?
[02:06] <nir> dpkg-buildpackage failed with power4-smp
[02:07] <nir> I get Assember messages:  Error: Unrecognized opcode: `movl'
[02:08] <nir> proabably in [drivers/net/ndiswrapper/misc_funcs.o]
[02:08] <nir> maybe its problem with altivec support that I added to the config?
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> if your network is not up
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> and you have selected to get packaghes from the net
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> swim: yes
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> amd64 is 64 bit
[02:09] <swim> HrdwrBoB, than is there a difference between debian-amd64 and debian-pure64 ?
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> swim: I'm not 100% sure
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> I think amd64 is lib32/lib64 system
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> could be wrong though
[02:10] <daniels> amd64 is lib and lib32
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:10] <swim> that would make sense, I wonder if 64bit system would run better with just pure64 ?
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> not really, but there's a whole lot less .. complications
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> but also things that cause problems
[02:11] <swim> does running 32 as wells as 64 bit slow down the system sonme?
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> like flash and what have you
[02:13] <Orbo> hi, I could use a little help with cd sound?
[02:14] <Orbo> it plays fine when I insert a disc but there's no sound
[02:15] <ficusplanet> Dreamer3, it will.
[02:15] <Dreamer3> any former debian-sarge now ubuntu uses?
[02:15] <usual> Dreamer3, me...well debian unstable
[02:15] <Br34ch> Alright . . . so I open Openoffice Writer.. and usually I am able to open it, it shows the splash screen.. loading . . . and it just.. disappears suddenly. At this time, I have various things opened.. and my ram is insultingly dangerous - is this why it just.. disappears?
[02:16] <Dreamer3> usual: i'm trying to gauge (subjectively) if it's faster
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: I'm formerly debian
[02:16] <usual> dreamer, I wouldn't say faster.....you mean faster in what sense?
[02:17] <swim> HrdwrBoB, do you think that running 32 as wells as 64 bit slow down the system some?
[02:17] <Dreamer3> usual: programs open/run/respond, etc... the bootable CD feels faster than my system...
[02:17] <BrokenCode> howdy
[02:17] <Br34ch> If anyone answers my question.. I'll give them a cookie :)
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> swim: not really but it's a pain in the butt to maintain
[02:18] <usual> Dreamer3, I think it's snappy, but I just don't know if I would say faster, depends on how things are setup
[02:18] <Dreamer3> usual: hmmmmm
[02:18] <Dreamer3> usual: my laptop is p3/900, looking for anyting to speed it up a bit
[02:18] <farruinn> Br34ch: can you try running oowriter in a terminal?
[02:18] <usual> Dreamer3, slackware is very snappy
[02:18] <swim> HrdwrBoB, why isnt there a pure 64 ubuntu? do you think there will be eventually?
[02:19] <Dreamer3> usual: *laughs*
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> um
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> there is
[02:19] <Dreamer3> usual: i'm too hooked on debian :)
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[02:19] <Dreamer3> usual: or else i'd try fedora, etc
[02:19] <hikaru79> What file has all of the tasks that are started up when Ubuntu boots?
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> oh, heh, it's not
[02:20] <swim> HrdwrBoB, it's not pure64 ?
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> sorry, I'm a retard
[02:21] <farruinn> neighborlee, hikaru79: rcconf is a nice tool that allows you to change that
[02:21] <toothpick> The distrowatch release note sounds like the livecd comes with tools to make your own livecd based on ubuntu...am I reading this correctly?
[02:21] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, speaking of startup..are ubuntu devs consdiering a better install and gui startup screen more like what FC uses ?
[02:21] <encKe`> awww......im loving this distro
[02:21] <neighborlee> farruinn, ahhhhh ic...thanks you so much indeed for the heads up
[02:21] <encKe`> hello everyone
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: it's in the pipeline
[02:21] <neighborlee> encKe`, we love it too
[02:22] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, okay very nice
[02:22] <farruinn> HrdwrBoB: for hoary even, no?
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: graphical installis not likely for hoary
[02:22] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, very glad to hear that...very
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> however graphical boot is quite possible
[02:22] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, but for upcoming anyway right
[02:22] <Orbo> can anybody help me?
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> yes, it's still in the todo list
[02:22] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, kewl
[02:22] <neighborlee> excellent even
[02:23] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, I wonder if they are considering anaconda?
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> no.
[02:23] <neighborlee> Orbo, whats up
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> anaconda is not even a vague possibility
[02:23] <jdub> we did consider anaconda
[02:23] <Orbo> neighborlee: how do get cd audio working?
[02:23] <neighborlee> hmm why not I wonder..its free
[02:23] <Orbo> cd's play fine
[02:23] <neighborlee> jdub: oh ok
[02:23] <Orbo> xmms plays cda fine
[02:24] <Orbo> but with no sound
[02:24] <Sav> My screen goes black after a short wile idle, i'v checked screensaver perfs but its all on 2 hours. ANy ideas?
[02:24] <neighborlee> Orbo: hmmm...what card and is 'sound enabled' in your desktop settings area
[02:24] <farruinn> jdub: any thoughts on having a graphical ui for a dvd install?
[02:24] <neighborlee> Orbo, computer > desktop preferences > sound : make sure its enabled
[02:25] <usual> is there an evolution-sharp package in hoary? something -cil
[02:25] <Orbo> audigy 2
[02:25] <Orbo> i know that
[02:25] <Orbo> it wasnt
[02:25] <Orbo> lemme try again now
[02:25] <mannaman> Wes is in DA HOUSE!!
[02:25] <neighborlee> Orbo: ohhh..yeah fairly new'ish card..i'm not sure it works yet actually ;(
[02:25] <mannaman> hello all
[02:25] <neighborlee> Orbo, ok
[02:25] <neighborlee> mannaman, hi
[02:25] <jdub> farruinn: there are sketchy plans.
[02:25] <Orbo> neighborlee, nothing
[02:25] <Orbo> all digital sound files work fine
[02:26] <Orbo> my cdrom is connected by an analog input
[02:26] <Orbo> do I need a digital cable?
[02:26] <mannaman> Im new to this chat thing, can anyone point me to the direction of a German chat?
[02:26] <mannaman> guess now?
[02:26] <mannaman> not*
[02:26] <farruinn> mannaman: maybe #ubuntu-de?
[02:27] <mannaman> okioe thnx
[02:28] <kbrooks> http://www.ignition-project.com/node/view/347
[02:28] <Orbo> does it matter that my cdrom is connected via analog input?
[02:28] <Orbo> do I need a digital cable for sound to work?
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> Orbo: tbh I would recommend using sound-juicer to rip the CD
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> and then play the resulting files
[02:28] <Orbo> ive been doing that
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> put the CD back in the case
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> and on the shelf
[02:29] <Orbo> its just annoying
[02:29] <farruinn> the xmms plugins aren't working?
[02:29] <farruinn> cdread or whatever it is?
[02:30] <Orbo> farruinn, well xmms reads the cd perfectly fine
[02:30] <Orbo> but no sound comes out
[02:30] <toothpick> mannaman #kanotix ;) has plenty of german speakers
[02:30] <neighborlee> anyone else having trouble getting .mov files to play in firefox ?..the window starts ( I have vlc installed for mozilla) but it can't seem to play it ;(
[02:30] <thully> Hi - anyone know of an affordable flash player that plays OGGs (iriver is too expensive compared to MP3 players)
[02:31] <neighborlee> I have mplayer-custom installed which mozplugger needs...that or maybe mplayer-custom wont work with mozplugger ?
[02:33] <hakdiplanet> hi
[02:34] <neighborlee> hakdiplanet, hi there
[02:34] <Br34ch> sorry farruinn , I missed that. Anyways . . . heh, I'm a nub, please be more detailed ;\
[02:37] <Cindux> Can anyone breifly explain why celerons are bad ?
[02:37] <drspin> anyone suggest an EPOC emulator?
[02:37] <jdodson> cindux: basically they are stripped down versions of pentiums.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: it's like a pentium 4
[02:38] <Cindux> hm
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> with all of the disadvantages
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> and none of the advantages
[02:38] <Cindux> = /
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> except it's cheap
[02:38] <Cindux> hm
[02:38] <Cindux> I dont do any gaming at all
[02:38] <jdodson> cindux: right, there is no reason they make them, save they can offer them at a cheaper cost.
[02:38] <Cindux> or anything that would basically run my "computer" at its max
[02:39] <Cindux> :P
[02:39] <jdodson> cindux:  they perform worse than a pentium.
[02:39] <ollie> hi all, I just did a dist-upgrade using hoary and now my video resolution has dropped significantly
[02:39] <Cindux> would you recommend it for me ?
[02:39] <Peter> can you install Ubuntu without burning it to CD?
[02:39] <Cindux> i wouldnt use it for anything other than web design
[02:39] <Peter> install off net
[02:39] <jdodson> cindux: i would just go AMD, more bang for your (insert currency here)
[02:39] <Cindux> so id be using GIMP,text editor & web browser
[02:39] <Cindux> i dont need bang lol
[02:39] <Cindux> i was looking at this barebone http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=8132&ViewDetailedSpecifications=1#systemfeature
[02:40] <ollie> when I first boot the computer, it says for a while "cannot display this resolution", but if I switch to a console and let it be for a few, I can switch by to X and have like 640x480 (or something like that)
[02:40] <Cindux> right now i run a P3 600mhz PC
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: better off with a sempron
[02:40] <Cindux> link ?
[02:40] <ollie> it's been working just fine for a while
[02:40] <Peter> does ubuntu support network installation?
[02:41] <ollie> also, I can't view the "Screen Resolution" app -- it tries to open for a bit, then closes itself
[02:41] <ollie> anyone have any tips, ideas, or suggestions on how to troubleshoot?
[02:42] <tritium> sladen, am I going to hear back from you re: usplash?
[02:42] <shock> CRAP! evolution is totally *****
[02:42] <shock> and thunderbird is bugging now, too??
[02:42] <Peter> can i use apt-get to download a new kernel?
[02:42] <toothpick> The distrowatch release note sounds like the livecd comes with tools to make your own livecd based on ubuntu...am I reading this correctly?
[02:42] <tritium> Peter, yes
[02:42] <neighborlee> ollie, my first thought is your video card shrug..but i'm no pro on such things...have any other issues with games or apps or.....
[02:43] <Peter> is there a site listing all the files avalible via apt get?
[02:43] <jdub> toothpick: it doesn't come with tools, it is designed to help make custom livecds
[02:43] <tritium> Peter, try using synaptic to browse
[02:43] <ollie> neighborlee: it's been working just fine for quite some time, I did a dist-upgrade, now it doesn't
[02:43] <Peter> it isnt listing the kernel i want, tritium
[02:43] <ollie> not much of an upgrade ;-)
[02:43] <tritium> Peter, if you have something specific in mind, you can use "apt-cache search" to search
[02:44] <tritium> Peter, which one do you want?
[02:44] <toothpick> jdub, can you elaborate like one more sentence...not tools? but will make a custom live cd?
[02:44] <Peter> most recent x86 kernel
[02:44] <neighborlee> ollie, hmm ic..no idea then as im using stock ubuntu
[02:44] <shock> crap... its 3 o clock and i need to be uni @ 0800
[02:44] <shock> *sigh*
[02:44] <neighborlee> ollie, if no one here knows i'd consult one of the online forums
[02:44] <ollie> neighborlee: ok, thank you
[02:44] <neighborlee> ollie, good luck <<
[02:45] <tritium> ollie, can you look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any error message, warnings, etc?
[02:45] <shock> if any ubuntu maintainer reads this quietly: "PLZ FIX EVOLUTION" *sniff*
[02:45] <Peter> tritium: im currently using an amd64 kernel, and want to drop it back to the x86 kernel
[02:45] <neighborlee> shock, whats wrong with evo  for you
[02:45] <jdub> toothpick: it doesn't come *with* tools, but we've designed it to be easily customisable. there are some docs on the wiki.
[02:45] <neighborlee> shock, i'm ran it and find it works fine but then your use may be different
[02:45] <shock> 1. calendar wont save "malformed uri"
[02:46] <toothpick> jdub ok thanks.
[02:46] <toothpick> I'll go there.
[02:46] <neighborlee> I've lol
[02:46] <shock> 2. mail shows all imap folders twice
[02:46] <neighborlee> shock, shrug yeah  ic..I use neither of those things 'atm'
[02:46] <neighborlee> shock, :(
[02:47] <Br34ch> uhm..heh, another nub question: What exactly is the difference between command line and terminal? :x
[02:47] <shock> great and thunderbird hangs on startup
[02:47] <neighborlee> shock, either use other email app or consider I guess getting help at : irc.gnome.org | #evolution
[02:47] <shock> and balsa gives me BadAlloc
[02:47] <neighborlee> shock, odd..i've used thunderbird and didn't experience the hang ..shrug
[02:47] <shock> back to mutt for me
[02:47] <shock> =)
[02:47] <tritium> Peter, perhaps because of the architecture difference
[02:47] <shock> ur not running powerpc are you?
[02:47] <shock> :)
[02:48] <Peter> tritium: oh
[02:48] <ollie> tritium: a lot of warnings about mode clock XXX exceeds DDC max 140MHz
[02:48] <Peter> so it isnt possible/
[02:48] <nir> Br34ch, command line is a user interface type
[02:48] <neighborlee> shock, heh that would be a no ;-)
[02:48] <shock> :)
[02:48] <nir> terminal is a device that uses command line inteface
[02:49] <tritium> shock, I don't think we're all experiencing those problems
[02:49] <ollie> tritium: then something about an Extended BIOS functions failing
[02:49] <shock> well
[02:49] <Br34ch> nir: I'm sorry, I'm still confused.. :s
[02:49] <shock> I just hope its getting better
[02:49] <Br34ch> nir: Any nub links that might explain and set down the basics?
[02:49] <ollie> and no /dev/apm_bios
[02:49] <Peter> tritium: if i got the name of the kernel and used apt get -- would it work?
[02:50] <nir> Br34ch, I don't remember any now, try Googling for those words
[02:50] <shock> oh  well - I'm off to sleep now
[02:50] <shock> c yas
[02:50] <neighborlee> cu l8r
[02:50] <tritium> Peter, I'm not too sure about i386 packages on amd64.  I don't think apt on one architecture can "see" packages on another architecture.
[02:50] <Br34ch> nir: I have been doing that, didn't find any "nub FAQ's" and such, but I'll give it another shot. thanks
[02:50] <josephus_> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:50] <tritium> Peter, but I've never tried anything like that
[02:50] <Peter> oh :/
[02:51] <tritium> Peter, are all the kernel listed amd64 specific?
[02:51] <Sav> Is there any "Mail Monitor" for panel that supports SSL?
[02:51] <ollie> considering things used to work fine, then just stopped, should I report a bug?  the bug reporting page says to check here before submitting a bug report.
[02:51] <Peter> yes
[02:52] <tritium> Peter, I think you'll have to download off an archive then, to get it
[02:52] <Peter> hmm
[02:53] <Peter> archive?
[02:53] <tritium> Peter, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/
[02:53] <drspin> ollie: no - don't report a bug... it sounds like you just need to reconfigure X
[02:54] <nir> Br34ch, try this for example: http://www.tqnyc.org/tutorial/command_line/index.php?s=T
[02:54] <tritium> ollie, could you try manually entering your HorizSync and VertRefresh in /etc/X11/xorg.con ?
[02:54] <tritium> xorg.conf, that is
[02:54] <drspin> tritium: ollie: yes
[02:55] <drspin> doe the dist upgrade copy the settings from XF86Config-4 file to the xorg.conf?
[02:55] <Br34ch> nir: lol.. was just on that one, seems nice and comprehensive enough for me. thanks again
[02:55] <ollie> drspin: tritium: ok, I'll try that -- though it might be related to bug #5864
[02:56] <drspin> what no link?? j/k
[02:57] <tritium> ollie, ok
[02:57] <EvolutionR> checking for X... no
[02:57] <EvolutionR> configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required
[02:57] <EvolutionR>  What package I need to install?
[02:58] <drspin> ollie: that's a possibility --
[02:58] <drspin> ollie: I wasn't being specific to your hardware yet ;)
[02:59] <crimsun> EvolutionR: xlibs-dev for Warty
[02:59] <tritium> EvolutionR, probably xlibs-dev or libx11
[02:59] <tritium> -dev
[02:59] <tritium> crimsun probably knows better than I
[03:00] <crimsun> that's correct, tritium
[03:00] <tritium> :)
[03:00] <crimsun> not that I know better, but that those packages are correct :)
[03:01] <tritium> heh :)
[03:01] <EvolutionR> thanks guys!!!!!!!!1
[03:01] <theine> I have to thank to all the Ubuntu developers as I don't think that using a computer can get any more pleasent than with Hoary on an IBM Thinkpad
[03:01] <theine> It's just fantastic
[03:02] <crimsun> theine: just wait til hoary+1 hits ;)
[03:04] <Quest-Master> What's the terminal command for deleting something?
[03:04] <theine> Quest-Master: rm
[03:04] <bitfoo> anyone here use hoary + wireless?
[03:04] <Quest-Master> :)
[03:04] <tritium> bitfoo, yes
[03:04] <theine> bitfoo: I do
[03:04] <bitfoo> how do you put in the WEP key?
[03:04] <bitfoo> the hex?
[03:04] <Quest-Master> How can I remove a folder then?
[03:05] <bitfoo> or the pass or what
[03:05] <tritium> bitfoo, in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:05] <theine> Quest-Master: rm -r
[03:05] <bitfoo> i cant connect to my network anyway :|
[03:05] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:05] <bitfoo> oh you cant do it in gnome?
[03:05] <EvolutionR> I've deleted some files on my home directory on Gnome 2.8 ubuntu...I dont see any recycle bin? is there any ? I dont want to waste hdd space!
[03:05] <bitfoo> i tried password, s:password, and hex of password in network config :O
[03:05] <stuNNed> hello #ubuntu
[03:05] <stuNNed> there is new hoary livecd release no?
[03:05] <encKe`> is the ICA usable in Terminal Services Client?
[03:05] <Quest-Master> EvolutionR: trash:///
[03:06] <theine> bitfoo: i can do it in Gnome
[03:06] <encKe`> its greyed out
[03:06] <EvolutionR> okie thanks
[03:06] <tritium> bitfoo, there's a gnome interface too
[03:06] <bitfoo> yeah desktop > administration > networks
[03:06] <theine> bitfoo: just double click the network applet and configure...
[03:06] <encKe`> thx
[03:07] <bitfoo> yeah but i mean i put in the network name
[03:07] <bitfoo> and then the wep key
[03:07] <bitfoo> and cant connect :|
[03:07] <bitfoo> how do you put in the wep key, in hex?
[03:07] <bitfoo> aaa-aaa-aaa?
 where? type in terminal?
[03:07] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmm
[03:08] <theine> bitfoo: hmmm, actually i never have to use a wep key, so i cannot really tell...
[03:08] <bitfoo> the help is broken on that menu which is why i ask
[03:08] <Quest-Master> EvolutionR: In the address bar in Nautilus
[03:08] <tritium> bitfoo, the format should be the same as in iwconfig.  try the iwconfig man page
[03:08] <EvolutionR> okie
[03:08] <toothpick> theine...and how fast a thinkpad?
[03:09] <theine> toothpivk: well it's certainly fast enough plus it still supports APM which makes it so very nice to use under Linux
[03:09] <bitfoo> what does  prepend  or  append  [index]  mean
[03:09] <EvolutionR> Quest-Master: I like to create a shortcut/ launcher for the "Trash" on my desktop. Where's the bin located at?
[03:09] <tritium> theine, what about ACPI?
[03:09] <neighborlee> theine, rad i'm glad you like ubuntu...me too <wink>
[03:10] <theine> tritium: for some reason ACPU consumes a lot more battery in stand-by
[03:10] <theine> ACPI
[03:10] <tritium> bitfoo, prepend means to put it in front of, append means to put it at the end
[03:10] <encKe`> neighborlee, do you know if ICA protocol is usable in Terminal Services Client?
[03:11] <tritium> theine, I see
[03:11] <theine> neighborlee: if you ask me, Ubuntu is state of the art right now
[03:11] <bitfoo> rofl i know that
[03:11] <bitfoo> wtf is [index]  i mean :|
[03:11] <encKe`> it is nice
[03:12] <talibkweli> can anyone help me to install Ubuntu
[03:12] <EvolutionR> I like to create a shortcut/ launcher for the "Trash" on my desktop. Where's the bin located at? How?
[03:12] <EvolutionR> talibweli: install ubuntu ? u have the iso downloaded?
[03:13] <tritium> bitfoo, when you have several keys, you specify which one to use
[03:13] <beetlebum> hi all, i;m running Hoary and in the last hour i've had 3 hard crashes(everything freezes up, and i have to switch off the machine). how can i help debug these?
[03:13] <talibkweli> well i have the cd from shipit
[03:13] <talibkweli> but i have Fc3 already installed
[03:13] <talibkweli> i want to dual boot
[03:13] <Quest-Master> EvolutionR: Right-click somewhere on your panel, click Add to Panel and add a Trash Applet
[03:13] <Quest-Master> Then you can click on it and go to your Trash Bin whenever you want
[03:14] <Cindux> woohoo
[03:14] <Cindux> everyone cheer for me
[03:14] <Cindux> going from a 600mhz pc to 2.4ghz / 256mb ram :d
[03:15] <EvolutionR> ohhh quite easy
[03:15] <beetlebum> any ubuntu devs/bug fixers here? where can i go for info on system crashes?
[03:15] <Cindux> i've entered the gigahertz!
[03:15] <bitfoo> whats wierd is that all the wireless networks are reversed
[03:15] <tritium> talk about an upgrade
[03:15] <Cindux> lol yeps
[03:15] <bitfoo> ie, the unencrypted appear encrypted and vice versa :|
[03:15] <Cindux> only gonna cost me 233$ canadian to
[03:15] <bitfoo> or so the icons would lead you to believe :|
[03:15] <Cindux> i dont game but it comes with onboard sound,lan & 64mb vidoe
[03:16] <neighborlee> encKe`, hmm out my league sorry :(
[03:16] <neighborlee> theine, yeah I love it myself ..
[03:16] <EvolutionR> thanks
[03:16] <EvolutionR> talibweli: u still want the FC3 install? if not u can install ubuntu on it?
[03:16] <tritium> bitfoo, I don't use essids.  The APs I access are open, but require vpn to get to anywhere
[03:16] <neighborlee> theine, I think it is too...only thing 'missing' is easier working with files
[03:16] <talibkweli> yes i want to keep my fc3 install
[03:17] <theine> beetlebum: maybe you can find some helpful information in /var/log
[03:17] <bitfoo> i think i am just going to format, reinstall warty and immediately go to hoary before doing any packages :|
[03:17] <bitfoo> doing=installing
[03:17] <tritium> bitfoo, did you try the new Hoary live CD by chance?
[03:17] <bitfoo> yes
[03:17] <beetlebum> theine, ta, i'll have a look
[03:17] <bitfoo> it worked fine
[03:17] <neighborlee> theine,nm I meant menus...
[03:17] <bitfoo> but tritium, i did apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade
[03:17] <bitfoo> therein i think lies the problem :|
[03:17] <EvolutionR> talibweli: then u have to prepare another partition on your hard disk for the Ubuntun installation
[03:18] <tritium> bitfoo, did you pay attention to what packages were removed?
[03:18] <bitfoo> talib kweli is awesome :|
[03:18] <bitfoo> i have no idea what was removed :|
[03:18] <talibkweli> yea he is
[03:18] <bitfoo> if its automagic it should work :|
[03:18] <tritium> it's not so automagic
[03:18] <talibkweli> so i can use fdisk or qtparted
[03:18] <talibkweli> to make the partition
[03:19] <EvolutionR> talibweli: okie as u like
[03:19] <EvolutionR> talibweli: wat's ur problem then?
[03:19] <tritium> bitfoo, don't use dist-upgrade
[03:19] <talibkweli> thats what i was wondering mainly
[03:19] <bitfoo> yeah i think that is why my sound isn't working correctly and why i cant connect to wep networks :|
[03:19] <bitfoo> i can connect fine to open :/
[03:19] <theine> neighborlee: ok, but that's not a major issue, that is not likely to be solved in the near future
[03:20] <talibkweli> would i have to prepare a partitiion for ubuntu
[03:20] <talibkweli> or could i do it in the install
[03:20] <talibkweli> thats all
[03:21] <monoxide> hi
[03:21] <talibkweli> so im looking forward to compare fc3 vs ubuntu
[03:21] <EvolutionR> talibweli: u can try to partition on a partition magic / qparted / fdisk for easy partition on the ubuntu. If not u can straight away do it on the ubuntu!
[03:21] <monoxide> anyone here use SATA with ubutnu?
[03:21] <bitfoo> talibkweli, why not try the livecd instead :|
[03:21] <monoxide> im having troubles
[03:22] <neighborlee> theine, totally agreed
[03:22] <EvolutionR> talibweli: FC3 is far away improvements than Ubuntu...still long way to go!
[03:22] <talibkweli> i can use the livecd with FC3
[03:22] <neighborlee> theine, minor nuisance at best <wink>
[03:22] <EvolutionR> yes
[03:22] <EvolutionR> certainly
[03:22] <talibkweli> ok well ill give it a spin
[03:22] <toresbe> good night
[03:22] <EvolutionR> Good luck
[03:22] <theine> neighborlee: yeah, one does get a lttle bit spoiled :)
[03:23] <monoxide> can anyone help me with using a sata drive with ubuntu?
[03:23] <EvolutionR> How to install .deb files?
[03:23] <tritium> EvolutionR, dpkg -i
[03:23] <talibkweli> evolutionR thanks
[03:23] <EvolutionR> tritium: thanks
[03:23] <tritium> yep
[03:23] <theine> neighborlee: ...when using such a marvelous operating system
[03:23] <EvolutionR> talibweli: np!
[03:23] <neighborlee> theine, yuppers
[03:23] <bitfoo> minor nuisances should still be fixed i think :|
[03:24] <bitfoo> if they are easy :|
[03:24] <billytwowilly> hi, I have been using rsync -avz to backup my stuff and it hasn't been deleting the old stuff in the mirror. If I wanted rsync to update /mnt/md0/chris to an exact copy of /home/chris how would I setup the command?
[03:24] <neighborlee> well one thing I do really NOT like atm..is how nautilus works..I utterly can't stand how it opens new windows for everything
[03:24] <tritium> neighborlee, change it
[03:24] <neighborlee> BUT...I know that can be remedied if only I remembered how LOL
[03:24] <billytwowilly> neighborlee, you can fix that somewhat in the configuration thing.
[03:25] <monoxide> i recently bought a new sata hdd, and i plugged it in, and on the first boot it worked fine. i partitioned it, made an fs on it, mounted it, moved stuuf onto it, but it in /etc/fstab, and now my comp wont boot
[03:25] <billytwowilly> I think it's called gconf
[03:25] <neighborlee> I know...trying-to-remember where
[03:25] <neighborlee> wait..gconf
[03:25] <neighborlee> lol yeah
[03:25] <neighborlee> one of the sections anyway...checking <<<
[03:25] <tritium> neighborlee, you don't have to use gconf editor anymore
[03:25] <billytwowilly> "configuration editor"
[03:25] <neighborlee> billytwowilly, yup thats what I meant
[03:26] <tritium> in nautilus window: Edit->Preferences->Behavior
[03:26] <theine> neighborlee: let me know if you find out as i forgot as well
[03:26] <tritium> under "Behavior": check "Always open on browser windows"
[03:26] <neighborlee> tritium, kewl ic it thx
[03:26] <tritium> neighborlee, :)
[03:26] <neighborlee> tritium, hmm I guess it changed since last ubuntu...I dont recall that being there before
[03:26] <bitfoo> is there new ubuntu install cd or just live
[03:27] <neighborlee> I think just live and install
[03:27] <tritium> bitfoo, there are daily builds of both
[03:27] <bitfoo> huh
[03:27] <bitfoo> you have link to hoary build install cd?
[03:27] <neighborlee> tritium, life saver LOL
[03:27] <tritium> neighborlee, better?
[03:28] <theine> tritium: yeah, that is better
[03:28] <billytwowilly> I swear, ubuntu must be quite well funded. Their servers never seem to be slow.
[03:28] <tritium> theine, good deal
[03:28] <neighborlee> tritium, lol tons
[03:28] <billytwowilly> there are way more people in the chan than for mandrake, and they have had lots of problems with speed.
[03:28] <Br34ch> The founder is like.. a millionaire
[03:29] <billytwowilly> bandwidth bills can add up quickly.. He must be spending 10-20 grand a month on bandwidth..
[03:29] <bitfoo> i think there is only hoary livecd not install
[03:29] <theine> billytwobilly: i for one gave up on any non-debian based distros...
[03:30] <tritium> bitfoo, there are daily builds of both
[03:30] <billytwowilly> theine, suse is nice, but not quite as nice as ubuntu.. well yast is nicer than the ubuntu config (or lack of config) app...
[03:30] <bitfoo> thats fine but there arent isos of both
[03:30] <tritium> bitfoo, http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20050127/
[03:30] <bitfoo> :|
[03:30] <bitfoo> i guess im just dumb :|
[03:31] <billytwowilly> will hoary be out before april? If it is my student group will install it at our next installfest.
[03:31] <tritium> no, you just hadn't found it yet
[03:31] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, suse had been working on their gui config tools for like 5 years and they still blow
[03:31] <daniels> billytwowilly: during april
[03:31] <bitfoo> eww no 686 :/
[03:31] <bitfoo> oh well
[03:31] <billytwowilly> april 9ish is the installfest
[03:31] <monoxide> can anyone help me with my new hard drive?
[03:31] <tritium> bitfoo, grab -386
[03:31] <bitfoo> wtf is an installfest o_O
[03:31] <theine> billytwobilly: sure, they do a good job, but I fancy the Ubuntu approach of integrating the administration tools with Gnome a lot more
[03:31] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:31] <bitfoo> ok tritium
[03:32] <billytwowilly> we advertise all over the university to come down and we'll install linux for free.
[03:32] <tritium> a bunch of people get together and install linux, and help each other with it
[03:32] <toothpick> hmm...so the hoary live cd is not like a knoppix that has a hdinstall with it?
[03:32] <billytwowilly> Then people come down and we install linux;)
[03:32] <bitfoo> and sorry monoxide but i dont have sata :(
[03:32] <billytwowilly> it's a fairly straightforward idea;)
[03:32] <bitfoo> which university :|
[03:32] <bitfoo> duke?
[03:32] <billytwowilly> University of Alberta
[03:32] <bitfoo> what :/
[03:32] <billytwowilly> Up in Canada eh?;)
[03:32] <bitfoo> Duke > *
[03:32] <bitfoo> :|
[03:33] <theine> billytwobilly: is that in Edmonton or in Calgary?
[03:33] <tritium> bitfoo, don't start a university flame war now...
[03:33] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, the guys who do the Quasar Accounting program are in Alberta
[03:33] <theine> or neither?
[03:33] <billytwowilly> In Edmonton.
[03:34] <billytwowilly> heh, to quote fark.com "duke sucks";)
[03:34] <theine> billytwobilly: Go Oilers I guess?
[03:34] <billytwowilly> heh, when they're playing;)
[03:34] <froust> I think I might come down for that installfest.
[03:35] <theine> me too
[03:35] <billytwowilly> stupid centrino and not having any good nvidia card based solutions for less than 3 grand..
[03:36] <theine> billytwobilly: talk to me, the build in ate card is the only thing i hate about about my laptop
[03:36] <billytwowilly> theine, mobility radeon 9700 w/128 MB?
[03:36] <daniels> duke it out in #ati or #nvidia if you care, but it's offtopic here
[03:37] <theine> billytwobilly: 9000 M9
[03:37] <Br34ch> umm.. what's the bash for taking ss?
[03:37] <billytwowilly> that has opensource drivers doesn't it?
[03:37] <billytwowilly> theine ^
[03:37] <theine> daniels: i'm desperately sorry ...
[03:37] <billytwowilly> daniels, Talking about problems with ati cards under ubuntu is off topic?
[03:38] <darmou> does anyone know how to get ubuntu to autmount cds?
[03:38] <toothpick> Does the new livecd have a hdinstall?
[03:38] <jdub> toothpick: no
[03:38] <toothpick> ok thanks.
[03:38] <daniels> billytwowilly: i've seen about a hojillion ati sux no nvidia am teh suck screw you flamewars in here, and honestly don't care for them
[03:38] <tritium> darmou, "Removable Media" capplet
[03:39] <theine> daniels: well, speak for yourself i would say
[03:39] <darmou> thanks tritium
[03:39] <theine> as it does suck for sure
[03:39] <tritium> darmou, sure, did you find it?
[03:39] <darmou> urm where is it?
[03:39] <bitfoo> daniels, that argument matters on windows systems only
[03:39] <bitfoo> not linux
[03:39] <tritium> darmou, under preferences
[03:40] <bitfoo> the number of games available on linux makes your choice of video card pretty inconsequential :/
[03:40] <tritium> I think on Warty it's Computer->Preferences
[03:40] <tritium> can't remember
[03:40] <darmou> The "hald" service is required but not currently running.
[03:40] <billytwowilly> theine, Doesn't anything below 9200 have opensource drivers sponsored by the weather channel?
[03:40] <godsmoke> bitfoo: not if you do other graphics-intensive stuff -- like video editing or 3d modeling/rendering
[03:40] <tritium> maybe I should install Warty using qemu on my Hoary machine
[03:40] <bitfoo> true, i hadnt thought about that
[03:41] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:41] <bitfoo> but then again you shouldnt buy a gaming card for those types of projects
[03:41] <godsmoke> I do
[03:41] <bitfoo> you should buy a firegl or somehting :|
[03:41] <godsmoke> no
[03:41] <godsmoke> ati support on linux is nothing I would touch
[03:41] <theine> billytwobilly: yes! but they aren't that great i tell you
[03:41] <bitfoo> works good for me :/
[03:41] <godsmoke> I am building my new workstation with two nvidia geforce 6 6800 Ultras
[03:41] <godsmoke> basically, some of the best cards on the market
[03:41] <bitfoo> why :O
[03:42] <godsmoke> because I handle some heavy 3d modeling/rendering
[03:42] <theine> billytwobilly: in term sof performnce i should add
[03:42] <bitfoo> i think you would be better off with a different card than SLI from nvidia
[03:42] <godsmoke> it's not SLI
[03:42] <bitfoo> but thats just me :|
[03:42] <godsmoke> SLI only allows one monitor output
[03:42] <godsmoke> I need 4
[03:42] <godsmoke> so -- I'm not using them for SLI
[03:42] <billytwowilly> theine, with the ati drivers I only get maybe 1500 FPS with glxgears..
[03:43] <daniels> guys, #ubuntu-graphicsflamewars, please
[03:43] <bitfoo> ahh i see
[03:43] <godsmoke> daniels: please educate yourself -- we were not arguing anything
[03:43] <godsmoke> I was telling bitfoo the reasoning -- that's all -- take a pill
[03:43] <daniels> godsmoke: #ubuntu-graphicsdiscussions, then
[03:43] <daniels> it's not on topic heree
[03:43] <tritium> people, daniels brings us the X.org packages.  some respect and thanks might be nice
[03:43] <bitfoo> :|
[03:43] <daniels> godsmoke: i've seen a lot of these discussions, and they descend into useless flamewars.  that's the entire reason why the notice in /topic is there.
[03:44] <Local_man> thanks
[03:44] <godsmoke> what he does has nothing to do with the respect he deserves in an unrelated discussion
[03:44] <Local_man> what advantages does the Debian kernel bring?
[03:44] <theine> billytwobilly: glxgears is very unreliable i think, what matters to me is that i can't run doom 3
[03:44] <tritium> godsmoke, respect is the code of conduct for this channel, regardless
[03:45] <godsmoke> tritium: I plan to
[03:45] <bitfoo> whats your gfx card
[03:45] <bitfoo> doom3 has pretty high reqs
[03:46] <theine> bitfoo: i know, but i think it generally blows under linux with an ATI card
[03:46] <Local_man> is ubuntu going to provide Hoary as freeCD's?
[03:46] <bitfoo> of course it does
[03:46] <bitfoo> linux is an afterthought for these developers
[03:47] <tritium> slashdot story about the LiveCDs is out.  I wonder how the servers are handling the load
[03:47] <bitfoo> windows is the main market, and thats the plain and simple truth :|
[03:47] <monoxide> can someone help me with my harddrive problems??
[03:47] <daniels> the shipit program for sending out free CDs will continue for Hoary
[03:47] <tritium> monoxide, I would, if I had an ounce of SATA experience, but I don't
[03:47] <neighborlee> anyone else  not getting mozplugger to work in firefox ?...i get the window to load but then it just stops ..works fine in mozilla itself though ..i've tried making symlink from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to both /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and ~/firefox1.0/plugins and even ~/.mozilla/plugins ,,,-- but nadda...anyone know fix for this ? ;-)))
[03:48] <bitfoo> yeah it says on the page after feb all cds will be hoary :O
[03:48] <theine> bitfoo: well, i think ATI should in principle be able to provide drivers as goos as those from NVidia
[03:48] <monoxide> first it detected the drive as /dev/sda, then as /dev/hde, now i cant find it at all
[03:48] <darmou_> tritium what was the name of that applet again?
[03:49] <tritium> "Removable Media"
[03:49] <Local_man> is it a new drive?
[03:49] <theine> bitfoo: but of course in ``the real world''...
[03:49] <tritium> darmou, Removable Storage, rather
[03:49] <darmou_> thanks
[03:49] <theine> bitfoo: bla bla bla...
[03:49] <monoxide> yes Local_man
[03:49] <darmou_> It appears not to be my hoary preferences:(
[03:50] <budfox> is "apt-get distro-upgrade" a bad idea?
[03:50] <bitfoo> lol
[03:50] <bitfoo> yes :|
[03:50] <bitfoo> in my experience
[03:50] <tritium> budfox, you should probably use apt-get upgrade so as not to remove packages unknowingly
[03:50] <tritium> darmou, you don't have it under Desktop->Preferences?
[03:50] <cowbud> budfox: it depends you can run it and look at what apt is going to do before you do it..
[03:51] <budfox> that sounds like a good idea
[03:51] <cowbud> but if you have new versions of packages that require other new packages they won't be installed...
[03:51] <cowbud> that is a situation when you would want to do it
[03:51] <Local_man> does warty install with a default firewall?
[03:51] <randabis> distro-upgrade is not an apt operation
[03:51] <darmou_> nope there is Removable Storage but I think that is different
[03:51] <cowbud> usually doing a apt-get upgrade then  doing an apt-get dist-upgrade to see what else it wants to do is how I go
[03:51] <EvolutionR>  libxi-dev depends on libx11-dev; however:
[03:51] <EvolutionR>   Package libx11-dev is not configured yet.
[03:51] <EvolutionR>  How to configure?
[03:51] <monoxide> dist-upgrade is
[03:51] <cowbud> randabis: dist-upgrade
[03:51] <randabis> I know... :p
[03:51] <cowbud> EvolutionR: apt-get -f install
[03:52] <toothpick> Has anyone tried to use a knoppix or morphix install script from the ubuntu live cd?
[03:52] <tritium> cowbud, me too
[03:52] <budfox> thanks...those are good tips
[03:53] <duelike> will restart the computer
[03:53] <tritium> cowbud, I use the "-u" switch too
[03:54] <EvolutionR> cowbud: is there easy way to install this  xlibs-dev_4-1.3.0.dfsg.1-10_all.deb
[03:54] <EvolutionR>  there is so manay dependecies need to install?
[03:55] <monoxide> my hardrive is detected as /dev/hde, at least on the live cd, but it still wont mount it from fstab
[03:55] <tritium> EvolutionR, why didn't you use apt-get ?
[03:56] <EvolutionR> tritium: how to use? by apt-get install xlibs-dev_4-1.3.0.dfsg.1-10_all.deb   ?
[03:56] <tritium> EvolutionR, "sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev"
[03:56] <monoxide> it mounts properly on the live cd as well
[03:56] <tritium> monoxide, did you look at the output of "dmesg" to see what the device is?
[03:57] <EvolutionR> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[03:57] <randabis> do what it says?
[03:57] <monoxide> /dev/hde1
[03:57] <EvolutionR> apt-get -f install   only?
[03:57] <randabis> that's what it said to do...
[03:58] <EvolutionR> ok
[03:58] <tritium> monoxide, is that how it's listed in fstab?
[03:58] <dud> umm, is there a friendly application, or guide/howto on adding a second harddrive to fstab?
[03:58] <monoxide> it says that /dev/hde is a 200GB hdd, which is correct
[03:59] <dud> so that its accessible and read/writeable by users?
[03:59] <monoxide> yes
[03:59] <cowbud> huh
[03:59] <monoxide> i can copy the fstab to here if you want
[03:59] <tritium> monoxide, no, don't paste the whole thing
[04:01] <monoxide> just the /dev/hde ones then?
[04:02] <bitfoo> alrighty
[04:02] <tritium> monoxide, if ubuntu is the only OS on the drive, it should be /dev/hde1
[04:02] <bitfoo> time to wipe this drive and reinstall :|
[04:02] <Ogoz> hello
[04:02] <monoxide> /dev/hde1     /var     ext2      defaults,errors=remount-ro 0     1
[04:03] <tritium> monoxide, nope, not the one.  Where is "/" ?
[04:03] <monoxide> i have 3 hdd
[04:03] <kbrooks> monoxide, grep it.
[04:03] <tritium> just grep it
[04:03] <monoxide> /dev/hda1     /       ext3       defaults,errors=remount-ro 0     1
[04:04] <kbrooks> thats what we wanted
[04:04] <monoxide> that one works though
[04:04] <tritium> okay, so you can't mount /dev/hde1?
[04:04] <monoxide> its just the hde partitions that wont mount
[04:04] <monoxide> or hde2,3,4
[04:05] <monoxide> but when i first put the drive in it found it as /dev/sda
[04:05] <srid> how do I remove RAID, LVM, Enterprise volume management services from startup?
[04:05] <mebaran151> Hey
[04:05] <mebaran151> anybody here know about the problems of Evolution in AMD64
[04:05] <mebaran151> I keep getting a floating point error
[04:05] <tritium> monoxide, I think you should search the forums and wiki for sata
[04:05] <EvolutionR> No package 'gmodule-2.0' found , apt-get install gmodule
[04:05] <EvolutionR> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:05] <EvolutionR> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:05] <EvolutionR> E: Couldn't find package gmodule
[04:06] <monoxide> but that seems to have changed for some reason on the live cd
[04:06] <monoxide> ok tritium, il have a look
[04:06] <mebaran151> and also
[04:06] <mebaran151> why are all my menu items doubled
[04:06] <mebaran151> it is not a big deal
[04:06] <mebaran151> but everything is listed twice
[04:06] <mebaran151> should I reinstall gnome panel or soemthing
[04:06] <tritium> EvolutionR, what are you trying to install?
[04:06] <mebaran151> one meoment
[04:06] <cowbud> EvolutionR: apt-cache search  is your friend...
[04:06] <rellik> has anyone here gotten mplayer to work?  after installing it and trying to run, it exited with "Illegal Instruction"...  so I got rid of /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and now it crashes with Illegal Instruction "play_audio"
[04:07] <newcomer> i know it's trivial, but does the new milestone live cd have the proposed/new bootsplash?
[04:07] <tritium> newcomer, no
[04:07] <EvolutionR> I'm trying to install xfmedia-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <cowbud> rellik: what did you follow to get mplayer installed?
[04:07] <froust> what program does ubuntu use to browse digital cameras?
[04:08] <newcomer> tritium, is there any progress in the bootsplash thing?
[04:08] <froust> last time it just launched itself
[04:08] <tritium> newcomer, I don't know, really.  ask sladen
[04:08] <EvolutionR> tritium> I'm trying to install xfmedia-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:08] <rellik> cowbud, I just 'apt-get'ed it
[04:08] <tritium> EvolutionR, from which repository?  I don't find that
[04:08] <cowbud> rellik: I didn't think they had it in the universe...
[04:09] <EvolutionR> tritium> is on the cdrom
[04:09] <rellik> cowbud, well it may have come already installed actually...  either that or I just did apt-get
[04:09] <tritium> EvolutionR, which one?
[04:09] <rellik> cowbud, I didn't do anything special to get it
[04:09] <dud> why doesnt this work?
[04:09] <dud> /dev/hdb1       /storage/unus   ext3    auto,rw,gid=1111,umask=707              0       0
[04:10] <EvolutionR> tritium: it is on this month Linux Format CD
[04:10] <EvolutionR> u have or not?
[04:10] <monoxide> what is the address for the forums?
[04:10] <EvolutionR> CD 2
[04:10] <tritium> EvolutionR, from source?
[04:10] <EvolutionR> yeah of course tar.balls
[04:11] <tritium> of course?  not all software has to be installed from source
[04:11] <EvolutionR> so how to satisfy the thing? it need the gmodule?
[04:11] <tritium> EvolutionR, get the source, of course
[04:11] <tritium> gmodule is not available in ubuntu
[04:12] <EvolutionR> tritium: http://www.pastebin.com/234423 look at this
[04:13] <cowbud> EvolutionR: you have to install gmodule frmo source..
[04:13] <tritium> EvolutionR, I think you need libglib1.2-dev
[04:13] <cowbud> ahh
[04:13] <cowbud> tritium: interesting
[04:14] <tritium> otherwise I don't know what gmodule could be
[04:14] <cowbud> indeed
[04:14] <cowbud> you are correct
[04:14] <EvolutionR> ???
[04:14] <cowbud> EvolutionR: apt-get install libglib1.2-dev
[04:14] <cowbud> then you will be good to go thanks to tritium
[04:14] <EvolutionR> cowbud: okie
[04:14] <tritium> thanks, cowbud
[04:14] <mebaran151> anyone having problems with Evolution
[04:14] <tritium> EvolutionR, hold on
[04:14] <EvolutionR> cowbud how u know the I need the libglibl.2-dev???? which line
[04:14] <mebaran151> it is reporting for me a floating point error
[04:14] <tritium> get libglib2.0-dev
[04:15] <EvolutionR> ok
[04:15] <EvolutionR> tritium: which line shows that I need that?
[04:15] <srid> how do I remove RAID, LVM, Enterprise volume management services from startup?
[04:15] <tritium> EvolutionR, this is the only thing I find about gmodule: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-Dynamic-Loading-of-Modules.html
[04:15] <cowbud> EvolutionR: the gmodule :)
[04:15] <cowbud> yah my bad you wantt he 2.0 one..
[04:16] <EvolutionR> oki
[04:16] <EvolutionR> so this get libglib2.0-dev?
[04:16] <tritium> EvolutionR, that's the only think I can think of, yes
[04:16] <cowbud> apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[04:16] <cowbud> yes
[04:16] <cowbud> dpkg -L libglib2.0-dev | grep gmodu
[04:16] <cowbud>  /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gmodule-2.0.pc
[04:16] <cowbud> there is more but
[04:16] <cowbud> you get the idea
[04:16] <tritium> cowbud, did you already have that installed?
[04:17] <tritium> or did you just install it?
[04:17] <EvolutionR> tritium: why ubuntu development apps not fully installed? unlike other distro
[04:17] <tritium> EvolutionR, not everybody needs those libraries
[04:17] <EvolutionR> oic
[04:17] <EvolutionR> :)
[04:17] <tritium> EvolutionR, even in other distributions (e.g. debian), those libraries are not installed
[04:17] <daniels> EvolutionR: having a hojillion things installed by default, or one cd -- your choice
[04:18] <cowbud> what are you compiling again?
[04:18] <EvolutionR> cowbud : who are u talking to?
[04:18] <cowbud> EvolutionR: you :)
[04:19] <EvolutionR> compiling of wat
[04:19] <EvolutionR> the gmodule?
[04:19] <EvolutionR> no I just want to install this xfmedia thnig
[04:19] <cowbud> EvolutionR: you need the glib devel for something you are going to run make for (i.e. compiling)
[04:19] <cowbud> EvolutionR: you are installing it from source right?
[04:19] <EvolutionR> yeah
[04:19] <cowbud> yah that involves compiling
[04:19] <EvolutionR> Ohh I guess my Ubuntu lacks this Compiling thing
[04:20] <tritium> EvolutionR, ?
[04:20] <cowbud> you will need to install gcc and all kinds of other devel tools..
[04:21] <santiago> Hi
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> chris_: yes, build-essential
[04:21] <tritium> EvolutionR, "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to avoid lots of agony
[04:21] <santiago> what is the module for a  BCM94306 wireless network card ?
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> which ships on the CD
[04:21] <EvolutionR> tritium: thanks alot for that!!!!!!!!!!1 :P
[04:21] <EvolutionR> install buil essential...
[04:21] <tritium> sure
[04:21] <hams>  tritum, we need a "build-everything"
[04:22] <chris_> anyone got captive-ntfs working with hoary?
[04:22] <cowbud> hams: that would be huge
[04:22] <hams> and disk space is at a premium now days?
[04:22] <tritium> hams, say goodbye to one install CD
[04:22] <tritium> if you have a "build-everything"
[04:23] <cowbud> tritium: do they have build-essential on one cd?
[04:23] <hams> tritum, i don't need it on the install CD, just as a download package
[04:23] <cowbud> on the one cd....
[04:23] <tritium> cowbud, I thought HrdwrBoB said it was on it
[04:23] <tritium> I don't recall
[04:24] <Aughost> Hi
[04:24] <ficusplanet> jdub, You here?
[04:24] <jdub> yeah
[04:24] <Aughost> Could anyone help me?
[04:24] <cowbud> Aughost: ask and people will try toi
[04:24] <ficusplanet> jdub, Is usplash going into hoary or hoary+1?
[04:24] <jdub> ficusplanet: unclear atm.
[04:24] <ficusplanet> jdub, Alright, thanks.
[04:25] <santiago> does anyone knows how to make works a BCM94306 wireless network interface in ubuntu?
[04:25] <Aughost> ok, well... whenever I try installing ubuntu, I get a cd-drive error, asks for drivers
[04:25] <Aughost> where should I get those?
[04:26] <tritium> I owe my wife some time tonight.  I'll see you guys tomorrow.
[04:26] <regeya> I don't suppose you have a more specific error message, do you, Aughost? :-/
[04:26] <neighborlee> dumb question I fear but here goes.when I go to install a package in synaptic and it says:; 5:<IP_ADDRESS>....what the heck is the first '5' mean ???
[04:26] <cowbud> regeya: jesus you are a mind reader :)
[04:26] <santiago> I installed ubuntu in a dell inspiron 700m but the wireless doesn't works
[04:27] <Aughost> well... also get prompted about PCMCIA, says something about dell laptops
[04:27] <rellik> anyone have any idea what might cause mplayer to not work?  I get the error "MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: play_audio" for every file
[04:27] <Aughost> I've got a dell desktop
[04:27] <Aughost> could that be part of the problem?
[04:27] <regeya> heh cowbud
[04:27] <regeya> ///////////////
[04:27] <regeya> yipe sorry
[04:27] <EvolutionR> tritium: apt-get install buil-essential still not satisfy the gmodule thing!
[04:28] <Aughost> Thats ok
[04:29] <EvolutionR> apt-get install build-essential
[04:29] <EvolutionR> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:29] <EvolutionR> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:29] <EvolutionR> The following extra packages will be installed:
[04:29] <EvolutionR>   g++
[04:29] <EvolutionR> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:29] <EvolutionR>   build-essential g++
[04:29] <EvolutionR> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  y
[04:30] <robertj> Ubuntu is beating out Fedora in hits per day this month on distrowatch
[04:30] <EvolutionR> No package 'gmodule-2.0' found
[04:30] <EvolutionR> configure: error: Library requirements (gmodule-2.0 >= 2.0.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[04:31] <neighborlee> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check < anyone know whats causing this compile error  ? ;-) ..thx ;-))
[04:33] <EvolutionR> apt-get install glib-dev
[04:33] <EvolutionR> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:33] <EvolutionR> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:33] <EvolutionR> E: Couldn't find package glib-dev
[04:35] <monoxide> i cant find anything on the wiki
[04:35] <monoxide> i removed the references to /dev/hde in fstab so that it would boot, and now in the normal boot up, it says that the harddrive is /dev/sda
[04:36] <drspin> only getting Hoary Live CD at 84 Kbps...
[04:36] <drspin> how slow
[04:36] <drspin> :(
[04:36] <regeya> oh ye poor dear
[04:36] <Ex-Cyber> neighborlee: is there a log file in the build directory? (config.log or configure.log, can't remember which is normal)
[04:37] <monoxide> it beets 5kbs
[04:37] <drspin> EvolutionR: apt-get install glib-devel
[04:37] <drspin> maybe?
[04:37] <bitfoo> yo :|
[04:37] <regeya> trust me 84 Kbps beats 5
[04:37] <drspin> monoxide: but blows next to my usual 800k down for things of this nature...
[04:37] <bitfoo> i recommend anyone wanting to use hoary install it clean, not upgrade :|
[04:37] <bitfoo> it works way better :|
[04:37] <regeya> 84 beats what I'm getting now
[04:37] <robertj> bahh 800k is for wimps ;)
[04:37] <neighborlee> Ex-Cyber, yes but I have no idea to ascertain the error from it...its HUGE..i've  looked through it but find nothing relevant to help me
[04:37] <EvolutionR> apt-get install glib-devel
[04:37] <EvolutionR> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:37] <EvolutionR> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:37] <EvolutionR> E: Couldn't find package glib-devel
[04:37] <neighborlee> Ex-Cyber, wth is 'failed sanity check ' anyway ? ;0))
[04:38] <drspin> robertj: LOL -- keeps me happy
[04:38] <robertj> My speed record is 6 megs/s ;)
[04:38] <regeya> clean as in, erm, fresh install?  I'm not sure I like the sound of that...
[04:38] <drspin> EvolutionR: apt-cache search glib
[04:38] <robertj> actually I can get a good bit faster from a neighboring uni
[04:38] <rellik> how do I uninstall,reinstall something that came with ubuntu?  (mplayer-custom)
[04:38] <Ex-Cyber> neighborlee: generally that means that it was tested with some basic input and bailed out for some reason
[04:38] <drspin> robertj: from?
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libdb1-compat - The Berkeley database routines [glibc 2.0/2.1 compatibility]
[04:38] <EvolutionR> dbus-1 - simple interprocess messaging system
[04:38] <EvolutionR> dbus-glib-1 - simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared library)
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libglib2.0-data - Common files for GLib library
[04:38] <EvolutionR> linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libgnomecups1.0-1 - GNOME library for CUPS interaction
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libsoup2.2-7 - an HTTP library implementation in C -- Shared library
[04:38] <EvolutionR> glibc-doc - GNU C Library: Documentation
[04:38] <EvolutionR> libc6 - GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data
[04:38] <drspin> EvolutionR: use #flood
[04:39] <neighborlee> Ex-Cyber, ah ok
[04:39] <drspin> EvolutionR: paste it in #flood
[04:39] <robertj> dr: Ga Tech
[04:39] <EvolutionR> ok
[04:39] <Ex-Cyber> bitfoo: I didn't have much problem except for some junk with fglrx
[04:39] <robertj> drspin: I work at the University of Georgia and we have some pretty good connections
[04:39] <bitfoo> i did
[04:39] <bitfoo> :|
[04:39] <Ex-Cyber> I'd imagine a clean install is a bit more polished though
[04:39] <EvolutionR> drspin the problem is the dependency on gmodule 2.0
[04:39] <robertj> In the next few months we are supposed to be kicking up our I2 connection
[04:40] <Ex-Cyber> bitfoo: when did you try it, and what went wrong?
[04:40] <EvolutionR> drspin: the problem is the dependency on gmodule 2.0
[04:40] <bitfoo> i apt-get dist-upgraded
[04:40] <bitfoo> then apt-get upgraded
[04:40] <drspin> robertj: when I was leeching bandwidth from the University I was getting prety damn fast speeds
[04:40] <bitfoo> things were screwy :/
[04:40] <froust> Anyone know how I can speed up file transfers in GAIM?
[04:40] <drspin> EvolutionR: what are you trying to do?
[04:40] <robertj> drspin: I'm curious to see what this "Southern Light Rail" is capable of
[04:40] <bitfoo> like sound only worked in xmms after some fiddling, wirless networks that were unencrypted appeared encrypted and vice versa
[04:40] <drspin> froust: #gaim or #wingaim
[04:40] <bitfoo> was just strange
[04:40] <robertj> and if I can get on it
[04:40] <froust> ahh. *duh*
[04:41] <drspin> robertj: heh I think it may be a while ;)
[04:41] <bitfoo> hey if i "apt-get install linux-686" do i have to do anything else to make sure everything works perfectly with it?
[04:41] <EvolutionR> drspin: trying to install the source files from Xfmedia...tar
[04:41] <bitfoo> are there other packages that are 386 and 686 based?
[04:42] <Ex-Cyber> the next ubuntu release would be 5.4, wouldn't it?
[04:42] <drspin> EvolutionR: what does it depend on?
[04:42] <bitfoo> i'd like to be able to choose the filesystem if possible :|
[04:42] <bitfoo> and maybe some other stuff :/
[04:42] <robertj> drspin: maybe not, especially since I can shell into the webserver
[04:42] <robertj> I bet tunneling though could easily limit throughput and thrash the cpu though ;)
[04:43] <jdub> Ex-Cyber: 5.04 :)
[04:43] <bitfoo> hey does the warty guide to multimedia on ubuntuforums work for hoary too :|
[04:43] <bitfoo> like are those the same packages :/
[04:43] <drspin> robertj:I agree
[04:43] <monoxide> is there a way i can run a command on bootup?
[04:43] <drspin> robertj: but I'd try it once or twice :)
[04:43] <robertj> at 3 am :)
[04:43] <drspin> monoxide: what command?
[04:44] <Ex-Cyber> jdub: ah, right :)
[04:44] <robertj> The only thing I can tell from reading the papers on it is that everything begins with the word Giga
[04:44] <monoxide> a mount command. fstab doesnt seem to be working properly for my sata drive
[04:44] <drspin> robertj: such a great work -- once step closer to Tera :)
[04:44] <drspin> *one
[04:45] <hams> monoxide, are your sata driver compiled into the kernel or loaded as a module?
[04:45] <robertj> drspin: I don't know what good that would do me
[04:45] <EvolutionR> drspin go to flood
[04:45] <EvolutionR> channel
[04:45] <monoxide> no idea.
[04:45] <robertj> our throughput is pretty kickin on campus
 I've pasted on the flood channel
[04:45] <monoxide> whatever they are installed as by default
[04:45] <bitfoo> our throughput used to be way kickin
[04:46] <bitfoo> than operation bucanner crushed us :|
[04:46] <monoxide> i havnt recompiled the kernel though
[04:46] <drspin> EvolutionR: I'm still waiting for it to finish coming in...
[04:46] <bitfoo> buccaneer*
[04:47] <robertj> Our on-campus connection is enough to saturate an 8 disk RAID 0 box
[04:47] <monoxide> hams?
[04:47] <robertj> I don't know where the limit is, but it aint on the network
[04:47] <hams> monoxide, i found that if sata_nv wasn't in the kernel for me the drive didn't mount properly
[04:47] <EvolutionR> drpsin: finnish pasting
[04:47] <monoxide> how would i put that in the kernel?
[04:48] <hams> you need the kernel source
[04:48] <bitfoo> robertj, are you updating from ubuntu site?
[04:48] <drspin> EvolutionR: you need the package that contain gmodule 2.0
[04:48] <robertj> bitfoo: hehe, no
[04:48] <bitfoo> because that is slow because it was just slashdotted :|
[04:49] <regeya> hooray slashdotted
[04:49] <Aughost> hi
[04:49] <EvolutionR> drspin: but how to get it?
[04:49] <drspin> EvolutionR: I don't know what it is...
[04:49] <drspin> EvolutionR: I'm looking now
[04:49] <monoxide> hams: how do i get the kernel source?
[04:49] <EvolutionR> okie
[04:50] <robertj> how much diskspace is needed to run a proper mirror?
[04:50] <hams> monoxide, first look in /etc/modules is your sata driver there?
[04:50] <Aughost> I wrote the error message i got, when installing ubuntu
[04:50] <drspin> EvolutionR: locate gmodule-2.0.pc
[04:50] <refugee> hello.
[04:50] <drspin> see if it finds it
[04:50] <EvolutionR> ok
[04:50] <Aughost> Detect and mount cd-rom
[04:51] <Aughost> could someone help me with that one?
[04:51] <EvolutionR> locate gmodule-2.0.pc
[04:51] <EvolutionR> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[04:51] <refugee> I am having a problem with having a menu. Using Hoary + KDE here
[04:51] <monoxide> that folder isnt there...
[04:51] <drspin> EvolutionR: LOL - that won't work ;)
[04:51] <hams> modules is a file
[04:51] <hams> vi /etc/modules
[04:51] <EvolutionR> LOL newbie!
[04:51] <ushooz> EvolutionR, that is the error the first time you run updatedb, Also you need to do it sudo updatedb
[04:51] <EvolutionR> :P
[04:52] <refugee> refugee: anybody know of problems with the menu?
[04:52] <refugee> never-mind
[04:52] <Aughost> could anyone help me please?
[04:52] <EvolutionR> what's problem with menu is the taskbar start menu disappear?
[04:52] <refugee> installing gnome-menus seems to have fixed the problem
[04:53] <EvolutionR> drspin : how to locate?
[04:53] <monoxide`linux> hams, doesnt seem to be there
[04:53] <drspin> EvolutionR: I'm working on it... hang on -- is this a clean install?
[04:53] <monoxide`linux> psmouse mousedev ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp apm nvidia
[04:54] <EvolutionR> drspin: yeah....the ubuntu lacks alot of things man! :(
[04:54] <hams> that doesn't seem right...
[04:54] <monoxide`linux> i didnt install ubuntu with the sata drive in
[04:54] <bitfoo> also its slocate
[04:54] <hams> hmm... ok maybe what i said wasn't the issue.
[04:54] <drspin> EvolutionR: what are you trying to install again?
[04:55] <EvolutionR> the
[04:55] <EvolutionR> Xfmedia ..........
[04:55] <hams> if you do a mount <options>, you can mount the device correctly?
[04:55] <monoxide`linux> yes
[04:55] <EvolutionR> a simple ,powerful media player
[04:55] <bitfoo> o_O
[04:55] <bitfoo> is it xfce based :|
[04:55] <EvolutionR> 0_o
[04:55] <EvolutionR> :P
[04:55] <monoxide`linux> but for some reason when i boot off my hdd, and when i boot of the live cd it gives it 2 different /dev's
[04:55] <bitfoo> o_0
[04:56] <bitfoo> ((( d[-_-] b )))
[04:56] <monoxide`linux> and i think the livecd one is the right one
[04:56] <hams> what two?
[04:56] <EvolutionR> LOL
[04:56] <monoxide`linux> hdd: /dev/sda, livecd: /dev/hde
[04:56] <Aughost> when I try installing I get a "No common CD-Rom Drive was detected", why?
[04:56] <drspin> EvolutionR: There's a Debian Package right on the front page of the website
[04:56] <drspin> EvolutionR: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfmedia/index.php
[04:57] <EvolutionR> thanks man
[04:57] <drspin> EvolutionR: dpkg -i filenamehere.deb
[04:57] <EvolutionR> I was trying to install the source from the Linux Fomrat CD 2
[04:57] <hams> your sure /dev/hde wasn't your CD/DVD drive?
[04:57] <monoxide`linux> nope
[04:57] <EvolutionR> thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:57] <hams> what's in your fstab now?
[04:57] <monoxide`linux> /dev/hda, /dev/hdb are hdd's, /dev/hdc, dev/hdd, are cd drives
[04:58] <hams> did you put /dev/sdaX in there for the sata drive?
[04:58] <drspin> monoxide`linux: did you add sdaX in your fstab?
[04:59] <EvolutionR> drspin: I saw on that page binary: xfmedia.deb...but it bring to the other website? how to get the bin for it?
[04:59] <drspin> EvolutionR: check the websites to make sure that you're using up-to-date versions... you never know when you'll run across a better solution
[05:00] <hams> how do you bringup the menu bar in a terminal that has none?
[05:00] <ushooz> I am going to compile that XFMedia never heard of it but it looks cool
[05:00] <monoxide`linux> drspin, i tried both sdax and hdex, neither worked
[05:00] <EvolutionR> drspin: I know mine is old one, how to I get the new one?
[05:00] <EvolutionR> ushooz: yeah try it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:01] <Ex-Cyber> hmm
[05:01] <Ex-Cyber> every so often my screen blanks, anyone know what might be causing that apart from the cable being loose?
[05:01] <hams> monoxide`linux: the mount point is created on your root partition?
[05:01] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[05:01] <monoxide`linux> yes
[05:01] <monoxide`linux> if i uncommented those lines and changed them to sda and did a mount -a it would work
[05:01] <EvolutionR> ushooz: how to get the XFmedia binary package for debian???????????
[05:02] <hams> can you paste just the /dev/sda line for us?
 #/dev/hde1       /var            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
 #/dev/hde2       /usr            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
 #/dev/hde3       /opt            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
 #/dev/hde4       /pub            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:03] <monoxide`linux> it is hde there because i changed it in the livecd to what the livecd said that the drive was
[05:03] <K-Rich> greets
[05:03] <EvolutionR> ushooz: u there
[05:03] <ushooz> EvolutionR, yeah, working on compiling it and chating in GAIM
[05:04] <Aughost> Also got the following error message:"Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet. Simple proceeding may take this modules available later. The unavailable modules, and the devices that need them are: tg3 (Broadcom Corporation netXtreme PCM5754 Gigabit ethernet), ide-mod(Linux IDE Driver), ide-probe-mod (linux IDE probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE floppy)
[05:04] <hams> but when you boot from disk it shows up as sda?
[05:04] <monoxide`linux> yea
[05:04] <drspin> EvolutionR: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/
[05:04] <monoxide`linux> but changing it to sda doesnt help
[05:04] <drspin> EvolutionR: tell you how to add their repos
[05:04] <linux-rulz> hey, just wondering, is kaffeine available in universe or multiverse?
[05:04] <EvolutionR> ushooz: ur compiling it...tell me if the things work ok?
[05:05] <EvolutionR> drspin: how?
[05:05] <technodude> what has changed in the latest version of the Ubuntu Live Cd?
[05:05] <Aughost> could someone help me?
[05:05] <technodude> How come the release ntoes aren't posted on the Ubuntu website
[05:05] <bitfoo> its a brand new version technodude
[05:06] <bitfoo> its 5.04 vs 4.10
[05:06] <bitfoo> :|
[05:06] <technodude> What has been updated besides the version 3?
[05:06] <technodude> *version #
[05:06] <bitfoo> it uses x.org instead of xfree86 :|
[05:06] <technodude> Has Gnome been updated?
[05:06] <bitfoo> some new stuff to gnome it looks like :|
[05:06] <randabis> and a lot of other things
[05:06] <randabis> yes
[05:06] <randabis> gnome is 2.9.4 presently
[05:06] <farruinn> technodude: yes, and hoary will eventually ship with 2.10
[05:07] <technodude> I just d/l an iso this morning not knowing about the 5.04 release
[05:07] <linux-rulz> How much longer until Gnome 2.10 is released?
[05:07] <farruinn> hoary comes out in april
[05:07] <Dreamer3> what's the best way to try the latest ubuntu?
[05:07] <randabis> when they finish it
[05:07] <monoxide`linux> hams?
[05:07] <Dreamer3> 4.10 apt-get upgrades?
[05:07] <linux-rulz> lol, i know that, i mean, when is it scheduled to be released
[05:07] <technodude> does the live cd include all the packages of the standalone version?
[05:07] <regeya> Dreamer: with caution
[05:07] <hams> i dunno... sounds like you did the right thing...
[05:08] <K-Rich> i'm downloading the hoary iso right now myself... wanna see what to expect :)
[05:08] <Dreamer3> regeya: so, stay with 4.10?
[05:08] <monoxide`linux> it says something along the lines that /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
[05:08] <hams> but after boot it works fine?
[05:09] <monoxide`linux> yep
[05:09] <linux-rulz> Dreamer3: not necessarily, a lot of people run it just fine. It is just a developer's release, if you want guaranteed stability, use 4.10
[05:09] <technodude> does the live cd include all packages from the distro or just some?
[05:09] <Dreamer3> linux-rulz: i want a faster distro than debian sarge :)
[05:09] <farruinn> technodude: afaik it includes all of the packages that are installed by default
[05:09] <technodude> usually live cds don't include all the packages
[05:10] <linux-rulz> Dreamer3: what do u mean a faster distro? faster development?
[05:10] <farruinn> but I wouldn't say "all available" because that would fill many cd's
[05:10] <farruinn> technodude: it doesn't, however, double as an install. some people are confused by that
[05:10] <technodude> ok. Is there a place to d/l more official Ubuntu packages, because the aren't very many that come with the distro
[05:10] <monoxide`linux> apt-get
[05:11] <farruinn> or synaptic if you'd like a gui
[05:11] <jdub> technodude: there's heaps of other supported packages (see synaptic)
[05:11] <technodude> I am used to Suse where lots of packages come on the dvd
[05:11] <linux-rulz> techodude: enable universe and multiverse and then use apt-get
[05:11] <hams> monoxide`linux: i'm not sure where to go from there...
[05:11] <linux-rulz> or you can compile stuff
[05:11] <jdub> technodude: and if you enable universe and multiverse, there are bucketloads of unsupported packages rebuilt for ubuntu
[05:11] <monoxide`linux> what about that module stuff?
[05:11] <drspin> technodude: I used Suse for about a year... too much of a pain in the 4$$
[05:11] <technodude> do I have to use apt-get? I can't get my wireless network card to work under Linux so I have to d/l stuff from Windows XP
[05:11] <technodude> It is a shame
[05:11] <monoxide`linux> maybe the support is only there after its booted?
[05:11] <hams> none of those modules are sata drivers
[05:12] <technodude> It's the only reason I leave windows on my computer
[05:12] <monoxide`linux> well what is the sata module?
[05:12] <jdub> technodude: what kind of wifi card?
[05:12] <linux-rulz> technodude: have you tried ndiswrapper?
[05:12] <drspin> technodude: so run a hard line
[05:12] <Dreamer3> linux-rulz: no, something that feels faster... the live CD of ubuntu felt pretty fast... but i'm not sure if that's just cause it didn't have all my usual stuff loaded
[05:12] <sirukin> neat
[05:12] <hams> is have nvidia, so it's called sata_nv
[05:12] <linux-rulz> Dreamer3: might have to do with kernel 2.6 vs 2.4
[05:12] <technodude> It is a Linksys Wireless-B WUSB11 v. 2.8
[05:13] <dhewg_> tracker down?
[05:13] <jdub> technodude: that will probably work with ndiswrapper
[05:13] <linux-rulz> Dreamer3: try installing a 2.6 kernel in Debian
[05:13] <Dreamer3> linux-rulz: nope, i run the latest 2.6 with con's interactive patches :)
[05:13] <linux-rulz> Dreamer3: specs?
[05:13] <bitfoo> dreamer3 use xfce or some other wm :|
[05:13] <Dreamer3> linux-rulz: p3/900, 512mb, 18gig hd, ibm thinkpad t22
[05:13] <drspin> WOW package download is SOOOO slow...
[05:13] <sirukin> Ubuntu > most
[05:14] <bitfoo> drspin: World Of Warcraft?
[05:14] <drspin> (space) /. effect I imagine
[05:14] <technodude> yea, my next step is to try ndiswrapper. It will probably be hard since I am new to networking.
[05:14] <monoxide`linux> ok then, il try that
[05:14] <monoxide`linux> brb
[05:14] <bitfoo> :|
[05:14] <technodude> Somebody told me that Prism2 based cards work well
[05:14] <drspin> bitfoo: no as in wow! that's amazing...
[05:14] <linux-rulz> technodude: there is a good guide, ill track it down and give u the link
[05:14] <sirukin> what I'd like to see is a config oriented system like apt-get
[05:14] <ushooz> technodude, they do. I am using one
[05:14] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: gnome on the ubuntu boot CD felt faster... i wonder if it's the compile options they use
[05:14] <technodude> Only probablem is I wish there was a list somewhere of what cards had prism2 so I could find one for sale
[05:15] <drspin> technodude: pricewatch
[05:15] <predaeus> What is the newest kernel version in the ubuntu tree for an amd64?
[05:15] <sirukin> i.e hardware detection and you can choose what others are using with the same hardware based on performance
[05:15] <bitfoo> maybe
[05:15] <technodude> I typed in prism2 and nothing came up on pricewatch
[05:15] <bitfoo> prism2 = chipset not manufccturer
[05:15] <bitfoo> :|
[05:16] <technodude> how do I find out which cards have a Prism2 based chipset
[05:16] <ushooz> technodude, http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[05:16] <hams> if i have gnome terminal with no menu tab, is there a way to open the menu tab?
[05:16] <jdub> hams: right click, turn on the menu again
[05:17] <linux-rulz> technodude: try this out http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation
[05:17] <hams> thanks
[05:17] <linux-rulz> that should help u out
[05:18] <regeya> right-click on the termina....thx jdub
[05:18] <linux-rulz> technodude: I'm not sure if ndiswrapper is available in the ubuntu repos
[05:19] <Crane> hello
[05:19] <sirukin> universe?
[05:19] <jdub> ndiswrapper-utils is in main
[05:20] <monoxide> ok, i have the error here
[05:20] <predaeus> We tried to get up the internet connection with an ADSL USB Modem. The Install script brought a mistake with usbcore. It's an amd64 system and the live CD for x86 runs on this machine and the same script. Any ideas where the problem is?
[05:20] <monoxide> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda4
[05:20] <technodude> can you build a tar file on a Debian based distro?
[05:20] <cafuego> predaeus: Is it a modem with a 3rd aprty driver?
[05:21] <predaeus> yes
[05:21] <cafuego> technodude: Of course. Just make SURE you use ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[05:21] <linux-rulz> technodude: yes, i do it all the time with things like mplayer and ffmpe
[05:21] <predaeus> cafuego, t's a Alcatel USB Speedtouch
[05:21] <cowbud> monoxide: and sda4 is correct?
[05:21] <linux-rulz> *ffmpeg
[05:21] <cafuego> predaeus: Probably a badly ported driver, then.
[05:21] <hams> monoxide: do you have RAID enabled for the SATA contoller?
[05:21] <monoxide> it is once it has booted...
[05:21] <technodude> k, thanks I'll try it
[05:21] <cowbud> ahh then it is the long ass one before..
[05:21] <cafuego> predaeus: Can you swap it over for an ethernet one?
[05:21] <monoxide> what?
[05:22] <predaeus> cafuego, then it wouldn't run under the x86 live cd also i think.
[05:22] <hams> monoxide: does your mobo support RAID for SATA devices?
[05:22] <predaeus> cafuego, no should and must work with usb
[05:22] <monoxide> i have no idea
[05:22] <cafuego> predaeus: No, alcatel have provided a driver which doesn't work under 64bit kernels, it seems.
[05:22] <hams> have you gone into the BIOS before?
[05:22] <monoxide> yes
[05:22] <sirukin> imho ubuntu needs alot of work in the autoconfig department before it can meet the "for the desktop end user" crowd
[05:23] <cafuego> sirukin: Like which parts?
[05:23] <hams> can you gone into an look to see if RAID might be enabled on the SATA controller you're using...
[05:24] <Adrenal> when does the new gnome come out?
[05:24] <monoxide> where would i find that? it is detecting the sata drive in bios
[05:24] <sirukin> the linmodem deal
[05:24] <sirukin> proprietary closed source graphics drivers
[05:24] <tux> anyone try out the hoary live cd release ?
[05:25] <cafuego> sirukin: I needed to do exactly ZERO config for my nvidia card.
[05:25] <hams> monoxide: not sure, should probably be on menu down, so check each top-level menu
[05:25] <cafuego> sirukin: As for Linmodems, if they're not supported there's not much they can do.
[05:25] <hams> on -> one
[05:25] <cafuego> sirukin: maybe users need to be educated to refuse linmodem hardware. I do.
[05:26] <sirukin> it should give you an option when you boot
[05:26] <sirukin> heh
[05:26] <cafuego> What option?
[05:26] <sirukin> maybe
[05:26] <sirukin> but the whole "shut it out" attitude is stupid.
[05:26] <qcompson> firewire is still tricky in ubuntu as well
[05:26] <cafuego> "This hardware is not supported by Linux. Go to this website and pay for a driver. [link] "
[05:26] <cowbud> are the gnome menus are a ubuntu thing or the new gnome thing i.e. Applications Places Desktop
[05:26] <predaeus> cafuego, is it possible to install ubuntu from the live CD?
[05:26] <cafuego> predaeus: Not that I've noticed.
[05:27] <Adrenal> cowbud: new gnome
[05:27] <tux> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3.5-live/
[05:27] <Adrenal> when does it come out anyway?
[05:27] <cowbud> good
[05:27] <cafuego> Adrenal: When it's ready?
[05:27] <tux> is that the final release of hoary for live cd ?
[05:27] <jdub> Adrenal: which?
[05:27] <predaeus> cafuego, ok thx
[05:27] <jdub> tux: no
[05:27] <cafuego> Actually, 2 weeks before it's ready seems to be the norm these days.
[05:27] <tux> whats array mean
[05:27] <jdub> Adrenal: www.gnome.org/start/2.9/
[05:27] <Adrenal> ta
[05:27] <jdub> tux: you gotta work that out :)
[05:28] <jdub> Adrenal: hoary preview comes out on the same day
[05:28] <farruinn> if gnome 2.10 isn't ready by hoary release time, will hoary wait?
[05:28] <cafuego> Maybe Ubuntu should stick with Gnome 2.8 until things don't magically stop working after an evolution update.
[05:28] <Adrenal> what about the backports?
[05:28] <tux> 1. To place or dispose in order, as troops for battle; to
[05:28] <tux>       marshal.
[05:28] <Adrenal> when can i expect that?
[05:28] <jdub> cafuego: we track the devel branch so these things are found and fixed
[05:28] <randori82> this place is packed!
[05:28] <monoxide> the closest thing i can see there is "OnChip Serial ATA" which is enabled
[05:28] <jdub> cafuego: otherwise we'd never be able to release with the latest gnome
[05:29] <hams> did you see RAID anywhere?
[05:29] <jdub> cafuego: when ubuntu is released, gnome is stable
[05:29] <cafuego> jdub: Does that mean Ubuntu won't ever be released? ;-)
[05:29] <eyequeue> isn't gnome in wart ystable?
[05:29] <jdub> cafuego: we release the preview on the day of gnome's release, then we stabilise an extra month and then do the final ubuntu release
[05:30] <jdub> cafuego: ubuntu is released every six months, on the day. same as gnome.
[05:30] <monoxide> hams: nope
[05:30] <jdub> eyequeue: yes, it is.
[05:30] <cafuego> jdub: Grrhm.
[05:30] <hams> hmm... perhaps jdub will have an idea?
[05:30] <tux> does anyone know how they put the fig in the fig roll?
[05:30] <eyequeue> jdub:  maybe i misread cafuego
[05:30] <Adrenal> y do u need to use?
[05:30] <jdub> eyequeue: he's talking about hoary
[05:30] <Adrenal> oh, the whole crashy thing
[05:31] <monoxide> jdub: any ideas?
[05:31] <cafuego> tux: Transporters
[05:31] <eyequeue> jdub:  i figured development == unstable anyway :)
[05:31] <jdub> monoxide: re?
[05:31] <tux> what does the array mean in the hoary release ?
[05:32] <monoxide> jdub: my sata drive not mounting from /etc/fstab on bootup
[05:32] <Ex-Cyber> tux: they don't put the fig in the fig roll, that's the way figs are grown
[05:32] <jdub> tux: you have to work that out :)
[05:32] <Ex-Cyber> when you buy figs separately they're just derolled
[05:32] <jdub> monoxide: is the driver loaded? is the device there? etc.
[05:33] <tux> i've been to ubuntuguide.org - it dont mention jack shit
[05:33] <monoxide> the device is there, both in bios and once it has started up
[05:33] <hams> jdub, he can do a mounta
[05:33] <monoxide> as for the driver, no idea, but i can mount it after it has finished booting
[05:33] <hams> ... after he's booted
[05:35] <DAC1138> so, once again, i have the error logs from X.org regarding my xserver issues. who do i turn them over to?
[05:36] <farruinn> erm, are you reporting a bug?
[05:36] <farruinn> or requesting help? ....
[05:38] <monoxide> so jdub? any ideas what is wrong?
[05:38] <DAC1138> well, i was in here a few days ago, and daniels told me to try the new hoary live cd to see if x.org works with my gfx card, which it doesnt. i came back, and reported the failure, and they wanted my to submit the logfiles so they could maybe work on a fix for it
[05:38] <randabis-laptop> needs more butter
[05:39] <farruinn> DAC1138: ah, you may want to talk to daniels then, but sounds to me like he wanted you to submit a bug report: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:39] <jdub> DAC1138: file a bug, attach the logs
[05:39] <farruinn> or listen to jdub =)
[05:39] <DAC1138> submit a bug to ubuntu or x.org? its an X issue
[05:39] <jdub> ubuntu
[05:39] <DAC1138> alright, thanks
[05:40] <farruinn> no, thank you ;)
[05:40] <Ex-Cyber_> should a dist-upgrade be done in single-user mode?
[05:40] <Ex-Cyber_> or no X
[05:40] <Ex-Cyber_> or does it not really matter
[05:41] <cowbud> Ex-Cyber_: no
[05:41] <cowbud> it doesn't matter
[05:41] <cowbud> you might not see all the changes until a reboot but blah
[05:41] <Ex-Cyber_> cowbud: I assumed that much, just didn't know if random support processes might trample parts of the upgrade proces
[05:41] <Ex-Cyber_> s
[05:41] <cowbud> Ex-Cyber_: nope
[05:42] <jdub> Ex-Cyber_: every now and then it can happen
[05:42] <cowbud> nothing an apt-get -f install doesn't fix
[05:42] <cowbud> but it rarely happens..
[05:42] <jdub> Ex-Cyber_: for instance, firefox can do some astoundingly broken things if you upgrade it underneath
[05:42] <jdub> cowbud: unrelated
[05:42] <cowbud> ahh you mean that
[05:42] <jdub> cowbud: he's asking about things breaking if upgraded while running
[05:42] <cowbud> I thought oyu meant not finishing all the way..
[05:43] <Ex-Cyber_> jdub: what approach do you recommend to minimize problems? I think I did it single-user last time but now I don't remember
[05:43] <jdub> Ex-Cyber_: don't bother, just be aware that you're upgrading
[05:44] <Ex-Cyber_> okay
[05:44] <Ex-Cyber_> fair enough
[05:44] <monoxide> jdub: you didnt answer my question... do you have any ideas how to fix it?
[05:44] <jdub> monoxide: not off the top of my head
[05:45] <jdub> monoxide: you need to provide more information, eg. pasting the fstab line, etc.
[05:45] <monoxide> i did before...
[05:45] <monoxide> [15:04]  <monoxide`linux> <monoxide`linux> #/dev/hde1       /var            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:45] <monoxide> [15:04]  <monoxide`linux> <monoxide`linux> #/dev/hde2       /usr            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:45] <monoxide> [15:04]  <monoxide`linux> <monoxide`linux> #/dev/hde3       /opt            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:45] <monoxide> [15:04]  <monoxide`linux> <monoxide`linux> #/dev/hde4       /pub            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:45] <randabis-laptop> AHH
[05:46] <DAC1138> farruinn, do i just copy and past the entire logfiles to the text im submitting to them?
[05:46] <monoxide> except it should be /dev/sda (it is now)
[05:46] <farruinn> DAC1138: should be able to attach them
[05:46] <farruinn> but I think you might have to actually submit the bug first...
[05:47] <farruinn> I think I've submitted all of 1 bugs which was actually a feature request ;-)
[05:47] <xhypno> hey room
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> I've submitted 4
[05:48] <farruinn> of course, this is probably a good thing since I'm running warty :D
[05:48] <randabis-laptop> one turned out to not be a bug...just something weird happened to my /etc/exports file
[05:48] <DAC1138> farruinn, maybe i do need to submit it first, i dont see an attach option
[05:48] <monoxide> the error i am getting is: fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda4
[05:48] <cowbud> monoxide: when are you running that?
[05:49] <monoxide> that is fstab, so bootup
[05:49] <jdub> monoxide: now that's more useful -> that means the sda4 device doesn't exist yet
[05:49] <farruinn> DAC1138: I'm pretty sure that's what you need to do, maybe someone can verify this?
[05:49] <jdub> monoxide: have you added the sata module to /etc/modules?
[05:49] <monoxide> which is?
[05:49] <monoxide> i added sata_nv
[05:49] <jdub> monoxide: the file, /etc/modules
[05:50] <jdub> DAC1138: click new, type in your info, hit commit. go back to that bug and attach your files.
[05:50] <hams> jdub, need doesn't know the name of the module...
[05:50] <monoxide> yes, which module is it
[05:51] <jdub> monoxide: what kind of sata hardware do you have?
[05:51] <monoxide> its a seagate 200GB sata drive running on an onboard sata chip
[05:51] <jdub> what's your mobo chipset?
[05:52] <monoxide> dont know, how do i check
[05:52] <jdub> type lspci
[05:52] <xhypno> Time to try the newest Hoary Live cd. Later
[05:52] <jdub> monoxide: there'll be a reference to ide, ata or scsi
[05:53] <DAC1138> man, submitting a bug is frusturating
[05:54] <DAC1138> i hope someone sees this and actually tries to do something about the problem
[05:54] <cowbud> DAC1138: submit a bug about it ;)
[05:54] <DAC1138> a bug about bugs, lol
[05:54] <monoxide> its a via chipset, il paste in a sec
[05:54] <ushooz> jdub: are we going to be able to do a apt-get dist-upgrade to Hoary Hedgehog from warty?
[05:54] <jdub> ushooz: but of course!
[05:55] <jdub> you can do it right now if you want to test the devel branch with us
[05:55] <ushooz> are the sources some where on your website?
[05:55] <ushooz> so I can add to my source.list
[05:55] <jdub> ushooz: s/warty/hoary/ and you're done
[05:56] <ushooz> very nice. Walking to my other machine to do it.  Been linuxing since 97. I know my way around :)
[05:57] <hams> monoxide: dude .. RAID ... and you didn't see that in the bios?
[05:57] <monoxide`linux> its not in the bios...
[05:57] <jdub> DAC1138: you need to attach the logs
[05:57] <monoxide`linux> i swear it :S
[05:57] <DAC1138> i did attach the logs. bug was sent
[05:57] <randabis-laptop> so you need the via sata module I suppose
[05:57] <jdub> DAC1138: asking someone to mail you for them means extra work and less likely for your bug to be fixed
[05:57] <ushooz> I just rediscoved Ubuntu. Slacker at home and RHEL at work
[05:57] <Cindux> bla
[05:57] <ushooz> also Sparc Solaris at work
[05:58] <DAC1138> oh, BTW, im not on ubuntu now, im on vector. im downloading and going to install the test ubuntu versions
[05:58] <Cindux> Oo Solaris OS :P
[05:58] <tritium> ushooz, just be careful with dist-upgrade removing packages.
[05:58] <tritium> sometimes it's what you want, sometimes you don't want to let it
[05:58] <DAC1138> jdub, i attached them
[05:58] <Cindux> is an Intel Celeron 2.4ghz actually 2.4ghz ?
[05:58] <ushooz> tritium, not worried on that rig :)
[05:58] <jdub> monoxide: add sata_via to /etc/modules
[05:58] <tritium> ushooz, cool then
[05:59] <ushooz> I have done it on Debian. Was not sure how close to the debian model Ubuntu was going to be. :)
[05:59] <hams> can you use SuperKaramba with gnome? or only kde?
[05:59] <Cindux> works with both
[05:59] <cowbud> it's Tali Winters damn it!
[06:00] <Cindux> my friends tried it worked fine
[06:00] <regeya> gdesklets is the superkaramba equiv, though it will work with gnome afaik
[06:00] <cowbud> make that Talia
[06:00] <monoxide`linux> ok, added, just going to try it in a sec
[06:01] <Cindux> pff noone answer lol
[06:01] <Cindux> What's so bad about a celeron ?
[06:01] <tritium> Cindux, we told you earlier.
[06:01] <Cindux> no no
[06:01] <randabis-laptop> they are crippled pentiums
[06:01] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I finally got beagle/best running, but after just 1-2 minutes, beagled takes up over 600MB of RAM!  Is there any way to make this more sane?  I'd really like to be able to use it.
[06:01] <Cindux> ugg
[06:01] <Cindux> lol
[06:01] <Cindux> I'm just asking do they still run as 2.4 ?
[06:01] <cowbud> ficusplanet: yah same problem here
[06:02] <Cindux> at that frequency*
[06:02] <cowbud> ficusplanet: other people have the issue too but I haven't seen a bug yet and I am too lazy :)
[06:02] <jdub> ficusplanet: you need to help with development.
[06:02] <cowbud> I probably will file one soon
[06:02] <ficusplanet> jdub, I'd love to, but I don't know C#.
[06:02] <jdub> ficusplanet: so you'll have to wait
[06:02] <jdub> it's under active development
[06:03] <jdub> memory usage is a very well known problem
[06:03] <tritium> ficusplanet, did you build it yourself?
[06:04] <ficusplanet> jdub, I understand.  I did not want to complain; I was just wondering if what I was experiencing was normal or if I had done something wrong.  Yes, I built it myself.
[06:04] <cowbud> tritium: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[06:04] <jdub> (there'll be a beagle deb in hoary universe tonight or over the weekend, btw)
[06:04] <Towny> Anyone installed the PowerPC version before?
[06:04] <cowbud> although last I checked dbus cvs is broken (last time == 2 days ago)
[06:04] <tritium> cowbud, yes, thanks, I was just asking him
[06:04] <cowbud> jdub: sweet
[06:04] <jdub> Towny: yes
[06:05] <ushooz> must be getting hammered with the Live CD. Going slow :)
[06:05] <tritium> Towny, yep
[06:05] <cowbud> ushooz: getting the torrent?
[06:05] <Towny> did it work okay on a G3 Powerbook?
[06:05] <tritium> probably the slashdot story has something to do with that
[06:05] <ushooz> cowbud, dist-upgrading a box to hoary
[06:05] <hams> ok, what is beagle?
[06:05] <cowbud> ushooz: ahh
[06:05] <cafuego> Towny: What G3 powerbook?
[06:05] <ficusplanet> hams, http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[06:05] <ushooz> hams, really cool search util
[06:05] <tritium> Towny, worked great on a G3 box for me.
[06:05] <cafuego> Towny: Bronze or black keyboard?
[06:06] <Towny> black
[06:06] <cowbud> hams think google search on steroids http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/ and nat.org/demos
[06:06] <cafuego> Towny: Those are OldWorld, so the CD won't boot on them.
[06:06] <Towny> oh really? rats
[06:06] <farruinn> cafuego: actually the cd will
[06:06] <cafuego> Towny: You can get going with a small MacOS partition and using BootX
[06:06] <cafuego> farruinn: on an *oldworld* mac?
[06:06] <randabis-laptop> I wish streamtuner didn't break
[06:07] <farruinn> cafuego: isn't booting it with bootX booting it?
[06:07] <hams> i've never understood the fascination with search utils
[06:07] <cowbud> jdub: so how does ubuntu get around the inotify dep of beagle or does the ubuntu kernel already have that patch installed?
[06:07] <cafuego> farruinn: No, BootX requires MacOS.
[06:07] <Towny> I'll just stick with os 9.2.2
[06:07] <jdub> cowbud: had inotify for ages :)
[06:07] <jdub> cowbud: latest kernel has inotify 0.18
[06:07] <cowbud> jdub: ahh
[06:07] <cafuego> Towny: I think work is underway on quik (bootloader) to be able to natively handle OldWorld macs too.
[06:07] <cowbud> jdub: what about networkmanager is that being worked in?
[06:08] <jdub> cowbud: not for hoary
[06:08] <farruinn> cafuego: you mean specifically for ubuntu?
[06:08] <cafuego> farruinn: No, in general (and for Debian)
[06:09] <tritium> I wonder why the monitor_mode patch for orinoco_cs isn't applied
[06:09] <monoxide> its working, but its saying that the sda mounts wherent cleanly unmounted, so its running a check on them at the moment
[06:09] <monoxide> :)
[06:09] <cafuego> tritium: Isn't in the kernel yet. You can fetch the 0.15 driver from savannah and it will work just dandy.
[06:09] <farruinn> Towny: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs
[06:09] <ferris> is there an easy way to convert a .wav to a .mp3 ?
[06:09] <tritium> cafuego, still not in the kernel?  It has been some time.
[06:09] <jdub> tritium: because you didn't file the bug about it
[06:10] <kquamme94> i love tor :)
[06:10] <alainm> ferris: audacity is really good
[06:10] <qcompson> so when hoary is officially released, will everyone running hoary now be already caught up, or are there still going to be slight package differences?
[06:10] <kquamme94> finally got it to work
[06:10] <ushooz> jdub, <IP_ADDRESS>-4 has inotify?
[06:10] <tritium> jdub, I think it's due in the kernel sometime soon.  Am I right cafuego?
[06:10] <Cindux> I gotta go to bed for my exams tomorrow everbody
[06:10] <cafuego> tritium: BLame Linus ;-)
[06:10] <jdub> qcompson: if you've got ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop installed, you'll be right
[06:10] <cowbud> I thought the latest orenco drivers incorporated monitor mode and were adhering to a monitor mode standard..
[06:10] <Cindux> g'ntie
[06:10] <cowbud> err orinoco haha orenco
[06:10] <randabis-laptop> qcompson we'll probably move on to bendy :p
[06:11] <randabis-laptop> I know I probably will
[06:11] <ferris> alainm, thanks
[06:11] <cafuego> cowbud: Not the ones in the vanilla 2.6.10 kernel
[06:11] <jdub> ushooz: 2.6.10-12
[06:11] <monoxide> IT WORKS!! :D
[06:11] <ushooz> ah. Hoary :) then
[06:11] <monoxide> thanks jdub :)
[06:11] <jdub> ushooz: install linux-686 or whatever's appropriate for your cpu
[06:11] <jdub> monoxide: rockin'
[06:11] <randabis-laptop> yay u win
[06:12] <ushooz> jdub, thanks for all the answers. You seem quite busy anwsering everyone
[06:12] <qcompson> sweet
[06:12] <jdub> yeah, and no one's even asking hard questions yet ;)
[06:13] <randabis-laptop> how can I increase my bogomips? :p
[06:13] <bur[n] er> new kernel makes my centrino work without rmmoding and re-modprobing :)  i love it
[06:13] <cafuego> randabis-laptop: Add a spray can of nitrous oxide to the cpu.
[06:13] <qcompson> anyone here run hoary and ut2004?
[06:13] <randabis-laptop> cafuego, but I'm le tired :(
[06:13] <cafuego> randabis-laptop: Pfff.
[06:13] <bur[n] er> cafuego: didn't you used to be a #debian junkie?
[06:14] <cafuego> bur[n] er: Still there
[06:14] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:14] <farruinn> cafuego: so they're still working on quik?
[06:14] <tritium> bur[n] er, you're not the only one who remembers :)
[06:14] <randabis-laptop> I'll fire zee missles later
[06:14] <cafuego> farruinn: Last time I heard from the debian quik maintainer, yes. (last week)
[06:15] <bur[n] er> what's quik?
[06:15] <farruinn> cafuego: cool! I thought he had forsaken it =)
[06:15] <farruinn> oldworld mac bootloader
[06:15] <cafuego> farruinn: Might be the NEW maintainer then, simonrvn in #debian
[06:15] <farruinn> cafuego: yes, it used to be Ethan Benson if my memory serves correctly
[06:17] <tritium> These new liveCDs go to eleven!
[06:18] <stuNNed> eleven?
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, it's more than 10
[06:18] <tritium> stuNNed, stupid movie reference
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> it's a joke from 'This is spinal tap'
[06:19] <stuNNed> oh heh
[06:19] <farruinn> will canonical be shipping free hoary cd's?
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:20] <farruinn> aweseome!
[06:21] <stuNNed> whoa
[06:21] <tritium> jdub, are we going to get to see any candidates for the new website design?
[06:21] <Dreamer3> 35 hours left
[06:22] <farruinn> Dreamer3: hey, be glad it's just one =)
[06:22] <Dreamer3> farruinn: *laughs and sighs*
[06:22] <Dreamer3> farruinn: i need high speed
[06:23] <farruinn> at home I had just dialup.  Whenever I ran an apt-get upgrade I'd just let it run overnight it took so long
[06:23] <stuNNed> regeya: w/vanilla ice cream?
[06:23] <Dreamer3> farruinn: you come over from debian or just ubuntu user?
[06:23] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: anxious to try new livecd on proff's laptop at school we had probs before maybe bad warty livecd burn or something
[06:23] <farruinn> debian was my first linux
[06:23] <regeya> farruinn, that's what I still do; there's a DSL provider on this road, but the phone company hasn't run new line yet
[06:24] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[06:24] <regeya> they will Real Soon Now
[06:24] <regeya> stuNNed, yum
[06:24] <randabis-laptop> steal their cheerios until they run the line
[06:24] <stuNNed> regeya: poundage i don't need :)
[06:24] <jkroon81> Will Mono be included in the next release of Ubuntu?
[06:24] <stuNNed> jkroon81: good question, maybe in multiverse?
[06:25] <tritium> I would think so, with the inclusion of beagle
[06:25] <stuNNed> oh ya
[06:25] <stuNNed> and muine hopefully
[06:25] <regeya> hehe
[06:25] <farruinn> is mono a C# implementation for linux or something?
[06:25] <jkroon81> tritium, so will Beagle _will_ be invluded ?
[06:26] <jdub> stuNNed: just winners
[06:26] <tritium> jkroon81, yes, tonight or tomorrow
[06:26] <jdub> jkroon81: both will be in universe, but not in main
[06:26] <tritium> jdub, was that answer to my question?
[06:26] <stuNNed> jdub: winners?
[06:26] <tritium> stuNNed, I think he was answering me
[06:27] <drspin> where does ubuntu put icons?
[06:27] <cowbud> shouldn't x-chat register a irc:// handler with gnome?
[06:27] <jkroon81> jdub, ok, works for me
[06:27] <jdub> tritium: yeas
[06:27] <stuNNed> cowbud: ever try irssi?
[06:27] <cowbud> stuNNed: nope fine with x-chat :)
[06:27] <farruinn> irssi is pretty nice
[06:27] <stuNNed> cowbud: hehe :)
[06:27] <cowbud> stuNNed: why is irssi that much better?
[06:27] <cowbud> make that a why,
[06:28] <cowbud> yah I don't want text style..
[06:28] <cowbud> I like the tabs..
[06:28] <stuNNed> ahh, okiez cowbud
[06:28] <cowbud> jdub: that was kinda an indirect way of asking if a bug report would help in the matter or if someone had already said no to this since both ubuntu an debian do not do it (i.e. making x-chat register wtih gnome as a irc:// handler..)
[06:29] <stuNNed> cowbud: only adv really is can remote irc
[06:29] <jdub> cowbud: dunno
[06:29] <cowbud> stuNNed: ??
[06:29] <stuNNed> cowbud: plus it's text mode which is nice i guess, something new for me really
[06:29] <cowbud> jdub ahh what the hell I am already on the page..
[06:29] <jdub> cowbud: if you can come up with a patch or whatever to do it, that'd be swet.
[06:29] <stuNNed> cowbud: start an irssi session in screen, remotely ssh into the box, do a screen -x pty-blah and it resumes your irc session
[06:30] <whiprush> man, what's up with this slashdot ubuntu story
[06:30] <cowbud> hah I guess I could do the extra work :)
[06:30] <stuNNed> whiprush: today?
[06:30] <K-Rich> Okay just looked at the hoary live CD... looks great... few questions though.... if i go ahead and upgrade... will it break anything (like my tweaked menus in Gnome, themes, config files, nvidia driver etc?)
[06:30] <whiprush> yeah the livecd announcement
[06:31] <stuNNed> eh, sorry, openbox
[06:31] <stuNNed> not blackbox
[06:31] <stuNNed> sheesh :)
[06:31] <drspin> where can I find icons in ubuntu?
[06:31] <farruinn> drspin: you mean desktop icons?
[06:31] <stuNNed> drspin: /usr/share/pixmaps ?
[06:31] <whiprush> try /usr/share/pixmaps
[06:31] <drspin> thanks
[06:31] <randabis-laptop> K-Rich, nothing should break... I have 3 systems running hoary and their pretty solid
[06:32] <randabis-laptop> they're