 @dohbee [@mateosalta @Javacookies did either of you open an issue about the "blank" windo …], I need to, currently work days for me, will do in the next few days
 [Edit] Volla is the most powerful, and full featured, except it does not support sending to external display yet. Calls and 2G work with T-mobile, but to get LTE mobile data I had to go to using dual sim with an extra account with AT&T.
 @Andrew B [Looking to use Ubuntu touch os on galaxy s21 any tips or tricks I should know? A …], There is no current support for it, and it would be incredibly difficult to port, since it comes with Android 11 and an Exynos chip.
 @OverLordKDOne [I have Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro, how to install Ubuntu Touch?], There is no current support for it, and porting would be difficult due to it shipping with Android 10.  You can attempt to port it yourself by following the info at  http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en
[01:16] <ubptgbot> /latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 Hi, has anyone been able to get usb audio working?
 I have a dac that I regularly use on linux and it doesnt seem no redirect the output
 To*
 android devices use android device specific kernels, the driver may not be included in your device kernel
 You mean it may wont even work on android?, I'm on a Vollaphone
 yes it may not work on android
 [Edit] yes it may not work on even android
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 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/hnc1dLu6.mp4
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[04:08] <ubptgbot> Mat Coma was added by: Mat Coma
 I've been thinking of porting Ubuntu Touch to the moto g5 plus cause the GSI process is too cumbersome... Anyone got tips?
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 @nachodorito [I've been thinking of porting Ubuntu Touch to the moto g5 plus cause the GSI pro …], There's a Telegram group on porting here - https://t.me/ubports_porting
 Thx!
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 @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term?
 also, just mentioning, lsusb showed the device, but only the id
 @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], [Edit] Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term, or maybe by mentioning it may be kernel related on the volla communities?, just for not losing the hope
 @Fuseteam [yes it may not work on even android], [Edit] Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on the long term, or maybe by mentioning it might be kernel related on the volla communities?, just for not losing the hope
 @the_cave_dweller [Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on t …], If you open a console, do dmesg -w and then plug in the device, do you see any message?
 I mean our audio routing is probably not prepared for external usb devices
 Im on android atm, flashed to test if it even worked there
 but Ill test as soon as im able to
 Oki
 thanks for the help 🥺
 @ruditimmer have you messaged me about OP6?
 I think I saw notifications, but was a bit busy at that momemnt
 @NotKit [@ruditimmer have you messaged me about OP6?], It's already fixed ;) thanks!
 ok, great :)
 (Photo, 800x108) https://irc.ubports.com/97CenOmC.png I couldn't find anything like this
[09:44] <ubptgbot> Vincurl was added by: Vincurl
 i have a xiaomi redmi 4x device can i dual boot ubuntu touch with android?
 @Vincurl [i have a xiaomi redmi 4x device can i dual boot ubuntu touch with android?], dual booting is currently not supported
 @Andrew B [Looking to use Ubuntu touch os on galaxy s21 any tips or tricks I should know? A …], Samsung Galaxy S21 is way too new for ubuntu touch 😀, we need android 9/10 as a base for ubuntu touch
 and also it needs two ports
 Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync UT devices to NextCloud servers available for testing here - checking this out now -> … https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch
 [Edit] Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync UT devices to NextCloud servers) available for testing here - checking this out now -> … https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> Meizu pro 5 android ver. is it work on ubports installer? Is it possible to unlock?
 @Ted Rendol [Meizu pro 5 android ver. is it work on ubports installer? Is it possible to unlo …], Yes, instructions are here - https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2755/meizu-pro-5-flyme-os-to-ubuntu-touch-modem-update-fingerprint-function?_=1614765732104
 hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you!
 given the ram amount
 I highly doubt it
 @the_cave_dweller [Hi, emm, it worked on android, just tested, that gives any chance to fix it on t …], great, then there's a chance it could be fixed 😎
 I see, thank you!
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you!], yup, the device is unfortunately too old and underpowered in order to run Ubuntu Touch.
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there a chance to see a port for Nokia n900? Thank you!], [Edit] the device is unfortunately too old and underpowered in order to run Ubuntu Touch.
 I get the point, that would be nice however
 you'd be much better off using postmarketO there
 [Edit] you'd be much better off using postmarketOS there
 I already have that, but I was wondering about UT
 so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT?
 @Alexi [so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT?], Supported device with least RAM have 1G, but it's not a very pleasing experience...
 @TotalSonic [Seems there is a beta version of a fork giving arm64 support for UBsync (to sync …], Testing this I am able to setup my account and sync folders with it, but get an error message when I try to Start the sync.
 I see
 how much ram does it have?
 @Alexi [so which is the minimum ram amount to run UT?], minimum really should be 2GB of RAM for a reasonable experience, but really 3GB RAM is what is needed for decent performance, as far as the devices I've used go
 @Fuseteam [how much ram does it have?], 256mb
 .......cool
 @Fuseteam [how much ram does it have?], https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-2917.php
 I have used UT on bq aquaris E4.5 which has 1gb, and I must say I never had big issues
 It's a venerable and iconic device, but it's sun has pretty much set.
 @Alexi [I have used UT on bq aquaris E4.5 which has 1gb, and I must say I never had big …], same on the E5 tbh
 That's because the BQ's were using zram and swapping
 tho on those devices we essentially have 1.5 gigs of ram thanks to zram
 @TotalSonic [That's because the BQ's were using zram and swapping], no swap 👀
 @Fuseteam [no swap 👀], ok, virtual space then
 nah just compressing in memory
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/ssjDAD7j.png
 UBsync arm64 beta error.  So close, yet so far away
 @Fuseteam [nah just compressing in memory], ok, thanks for the correction
 ... it still slows down processing relative to regular RAM use though
 not sure, i don't have a 2 gig phone to compare it with
 @Fuseteam [not sure, i don't have a 2 gig phone to compare it with], you should really get more UT devices 😝
[10:43] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Alexi [I already have that, but I was wondering about UT], OT here, but I was wondering what your experience with pmOS on n900 is, since I consider reviving mine for that purpose ... are you in https://t.me/pmOS_unofficial?
[10:45] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @TotalSonic [Yes, instructions are here - https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2755/meizu-pro-5-f …], Thenx
 X Many things are not yet supported, not the calls when I tried last time, and for sending SMSs you do have to use a script
 of course no camera etc.
 so definitely not for daily use
[10:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Alexi [so definitely not for daily use], I think I could then rather use it as a little portable computer, maybe to keep passwords and stuff separate from the main system ... ?
 yes, that would work
 and as a terminal computer will be great"!
 [Edit] and as a terminal computer will be great!
 and the default i3wm GUI is quite functional
 but you can have xkcd or mate as well
 but something terminal-based would be better usable
 as many things work from the terminal
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3yLTwckA.txt
 🙂✌ Tnx, I hope it helps on anything on the long term, that's the output from one of the dacs
[12:27] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Alexi [yes, that would work], Thanks, sounds promising. So one more little project for when I find the time... 📱😃
 X but you can also watch videos on the go and many things together
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 @Javacookies [you should really get more UT devices 😝], all the devices! ;p
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 Hi … How to install ubuntu touch on Ubuntu 20.04 … I'm not find the ubuntu-emulator in repository apt
 there is no emulator
 i know
 ubuntu-emulator
 what are you trying to install exactly?
 there is no emulator for ubuntu touch.
 there is nothing which simulates ubuntu touch running on a phone, on your pc
 realy?
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
 What this?
 that is very old, never worked well, and is not maintained
 @dohbee [that is very old, never worked well, and is not maintained], It's a very bad news :(
 not really. but you are welcome to try and get something working again
 there is https://github.com/ubports/utqemu which sort of runs UT in a VM, but it is not the same experience as a phone, and not everything necessarily works well
 it would be nice if it could be tweaked to run with a framebuffer in phone dimensions, and such
 Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 FHD? I tried this butbit doesn't work: https://pad.ubports.com/p/nm-battery-experiment
[16:17] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> @fredldotme [To everyone using the Google Pixel 3a on the devel channel: An upgrade to todays …], Thank You!  Switched over to Dev.  Let me know if you want any specific feedback...
 @Soscat House [Thank You!  Switched over to Dev.  Let me know if you want any specific feedback …], In case of problems I'd suggest going to the forums: https://forums.ubports.com/category/69/google-pixel-3a-3a-xl … We can then find out what the problems are and make a bug report afterwards.
 And thank you for using the port!
 @Volfoni [Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 …], Anyone??
 Idk mate
 :(
[17:26] <ubptgbot> David was added by: David
 @Volfoni [Hello! Could anybody please let me know how I can disable ipv6 on my Aquaris M10 …], what exactly is the problem?
 well the instructions are slightly wrong there
 you need to use `sudo vi` to create/edit the file mentioned
 (pico or nano can be used instead if you prefer, too)
 Hi all, many people here running ut on Pinephone?
 @David [Hi all, many people here running ut on Pinephone?], there's also a specific group for that at https://t.me/utonpine
 @dohbee [there's also a specific group for that at https://t.me/utonpine], Ah, great
 Thanks @dohbee
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/tY40GyPI.png
 The new teleports update 💕
 Oooooo
 The tab thing!!!
 Also aubrey pfp cool
 Nice
 Does it crash with 200 groups still
 @amyosx [Does it crash with 200 groups still], I habe more than 200 probably and crashing is better though not 100% fixed
 Ahh ok
 Will my m10 hate me again? Lmao
 That's my main UT device
 I can use with my keyboard + mouse
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 Hmm latest teleports looks better and more smooth
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/2E0EASO0.png
 @dohbee [you need to use sudo vi to create/edit the file mentioned], Well, I have to use the touch command to create it then?
 @Volfoni [Well, I have to use the touch command to create it then?], no
 Could you please tell me what I have to do then? You'd be very kind!
 Thanks and props to @Flohack and the rest of the TELEports team for a great update!!
 @TotalSonic [Thanks and props to @Flohack and the rest of the TELEports team for a great upda …], Thanks ;)
 I can't wait! Is it on Dev channel for now?
 Hi, which part of utouch is responsible of URI handling? I trying to fix this `No URI handler implemented for \"https\"`
 @azubieta [Hi, which part of utouch is responsible of URI handling? I trying to fix this No …], where are you getting that error?
 because Morph is very certainly registered to handle `https`
 @dohbee [where are you getting that error?], I'm packaging podbird into an AppImage, it seems to use an external tool to download the podcasts. So I may need embed whatever handles https
 @dohbee [because Morph is very certainly registered to handle https], how this registration works? Using mime types ?
 @azubieta [how this registration works? Using mime types ?], not on UT no, but i doubt the issue is that
 podbird is using `ubuntu-download-manager` to download the casts
 hmm, it also depends on `Ubuntu.Connectivity` so probably not a good candidate for it to be an appimage, without a fair bit of work to make that optional
 @dohbee [podbird is using ubuntu-download-manager to download the casts], I'm already bundling this, but I'm not sure if I activated it properly
 @azubieta [I'm already bundling this, but I'm not sure if I activated it properly], yeah, i'm not sure it will work.
 I was hoping to pack this little app :(
 I'll play a bit with the `ubuntu-download-manager` to see if I can make it work
 how hard is it to make an appimage? i guess all the Qt bits and such need to be included too?
 @dohbee [how hard is it to make an appimage? i guess all the Qt bits and such need to be …], making the AppImage is quite straight forward, Qt is not an issue
 https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/unav-appimage
 https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/dekko-appimage
 In that project I used clickable to build the binaries then copied those into the AppImage with all of their dependencies
 add a few hacks to make upstart work inside the bundle
 [Edit] added a few hacks to make upstart work inside the bundle
 you can check the .gitlab-ci.yml and appimage-amd64.yml files for details
 hmm
 (Photo, 440x669) https://irc.ubports.com/NM1eOr0A.png I just need to make it play 😢
 @azubieta [<reply to media>], oh like making a desktop vesrsion?
 perhaps https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10250332/how-to-open-a-link-in-a-default-user-browser-in-qt
 (Photo, 440x669) https://irc.ubports.com/7mkl6VcT.png It plays! I was missing some gstreamer plugins
 ah
 nice
 awesome!
 but downloads still downloads still doesn't
 I'll keep digging
 iirc, download manager is dbus activated, and i don't think such things work well with appimage
 I have made work kio stuff that use dbus too
 well maybe you can figure it out then :)
 yeah, check out qt's way of opening links, just have it send to the browser
 by the way I'm also missing some icons, which is the default (or most complete) theme for utouch ?
 suru
 ambiance
 `suru-icon-theme` is probably what you need to install
 @dohbee [suru-icon-theme is probably what you need to install], already have that
 oh i wonder if they kept the icons in
 @azubieta [by the way I'm also missing some icons, which is the default (or most complete) …], are there console errors?
 I see that it's a svg icon
 Maybe I'm missing the svg lib
 yeah you probably need `libqt5svg5` in the appimage
 it's already in, I'll focus on the download manager and will get back to the icons later
 at least I know what's wrong
 Why don't Ubuntu Touch don't use already established stores like aptoid? Like run in partnerships and not try to reinvent entire wheel
 what?
 Ubuntu Touch isn't an Android ROM and can't run APK applications.
 ah aptoide is an android apk thing; yeah, you've just asked why we aren't android, basically
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch isn't an Android ROM and can't run APK applications.], Oh i thought Ubuntu also wanted to depends on android apps. Hence writing that android sandbox
 Depend*
 Well yes, but we don't really want to be in the business of distributing Android apps too.
 We'd just make an Android ROM if Anbox was for anything more than emergencies/the apps that will never move over.
 It'd be way easier
 But UT has open store?
 I'm not sure what you're asking for
 we don't depend on android apps. we depend on android HAL
 yes, UT has open store which is apps built for UT
 The OpenStore distributes Ubuntu Touch applications. Ubuntu Touch applications don't run on Android
 @UniversalSuperBox [Well yes, but we don't really want to be in the business of distributing Android …], Open store?
 @arplusplus [Open store?], they are not android apps, and not apk format packages
 But that's also distributing apps? Isn't it?
 @dohbee [they are not android apps, and not apk format packages], Yaa that I get
 so what are you asking?
 we are not android
 I was just wondering why not aptoid or something else
 Which apps would you like to run on Ubuntu Touch?
 Now I know idea is not run android apps
 The idea is to give support
 For meanwhile
 Sure seems like a lot of effort for something temporary
 @UniversalSuperBox [Which apps would you like to run on Ubuntu Touch?], Payment apps and maps is top on my head
 For email. Can skip google and use protonmail
 @arplusplus [Payment apps and maps is top on my head], if you want such things you will need to run a proper android ROM which those apps support
 For drive. I can use mega
 Unfortunately, payment apps won't run under Anbox no matter how hard we try.
 Oh ok
 If they do, Google and the app developers would make sure they didn't.
 What about Uber eats and delivery apps
 See, you don't need another app store to run these apps. What you're really asking for is for Anbox to be better
 Like I mostly am looking at only service apps for daily needa
 Nees
 Needs
 Unfortunately, Anbox won't replace your whole Android phone. It won't now or ever. We can try to make some things work better, but at the end of the day you'll probably be happier running Android.
 Got it. Thanks for explaining
 But I think I'll understand UT more when I'll run it
 As a daily driver
 What you're asking for is to run the newest Microsoft Office (With Visio and Access) under Linux: Maybe it could be done with enough work, but at the end of the day it'd just be cheaper and easier to install Windows.
 that being said... a lot of those services also have websites that'll run fine in the UT browser, you don't necessarily need their proper Android app (Looking at Uber Eats and Just Eat)
 Not MS Office. Libre maybe
 But with Phone UI. Not the PC UI
 It's a metaphor
 No, not Libre because that runs natively on Linux. That is the point.
 Write now there's no standard to build scalable apps for linux and if there's is. I don't know of one
 Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc
 If you would like to change your habits so you no longer need Microsoft Office, Linux would work better for you. Likewise, if you're willing to change your habits to not rely on payment and banking apps, Ubuntu Touch would work better for you.
 That's not an option for some people, and that's okay
 I don't use Ms office. I use Libre on window as well
 It was not about Office or Libre. That was just an analogy. A way to explain something.
 Ok but I prefer open source softwares for everything
 you are also welcome to ask developers of apps for other platforms to also bring their apps to Ubuntu Touch. we can't do that work ourselves as the apps you're asking about are not open source
 and doing so would also take time away from working on the system itself
 @arplusplus [Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc], That is exactly it. 😃
 @arplusplus [Like Pc apps won't run on phone and phone apps won't run on pc], they can with Ubuntu Touch, that's the point of convergence. having a single code base for an app, which can scale for different screen sizes, and handle different types of input devices
 @dohbee [you are also welcome to ask developers of apps for other platforms to also bring …], Sure what's the android studio equivalent fot Ubuntu Touch
 ?
 For*
 Java, xml(for UI)
 Is their any adopted standard?
 @arplusplus [Sure what's the android studio equivalent fot Ubuntu Touch], there isn't a single IDE for developing to Ubuntu Touch target, but QtCreator is one many people use
 QML for UI and C++ for backend
 Ok so basically qml and cpp
 yes
 Cool thanks for all the info 🙂
 or html5/javascript
 is also an option
[19:53] <ubptgbot> Aaron Hafer was added by: Aaron Hafer
 @dohbee [or html5/javascript], Like web apps?
 Or something like electron?
 The way to end up being happy using UT as a  daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT.  As such what one has to do is find the native UT and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking for the exact
[19:53] <ubptgbot> same Android or iOS app that one used to use fo that function.
 @arplusplus [Like web apps?], in Ubuntu Touch "web apps" are just glorified bookmarks to web sites. more like electronic/ionic/etc…
 there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example
 @TotalSonic [The way to end up being happy using UT as a  daily driver OS (which I've done fo …], 🆗
 @dohbee [there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example], Although some webapps allow for better navigtion and scaling.
 @dohbee [there are a few apps in the store built with AngularJS for example], Ok
 [Edit] The way to end up being happy using UT as a  daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT.  As such what one has to do is find the native UT and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking for the
[19:55] <ubptgbot>  exact same Android or iOS app that one used to use for that function.
 [Edit] The way to end up being happy using UT as a  daily driver OS (which I've done for 2-1/2 years now) is to be willing to ADAPT.  As such what one has to do is find the native UT apps and webapps that serve the desired FUNCTION (e.g. email, group messaging, file syncing, image enhancement, video, ebooks, etc.) instead of looking fo
[19:56] <ubptgbot> r the exact same Android or iOS app that one used to use for that function.
 Hey g
 Also last question. When do you think UT will support OnePlus 8. I'm not able to find any old OP device here in India
 Or I can go with pine phone but someone said OP Hardware is better
 Hey guys Im Aaron a hobby dev and Floss enthusiast. So far I created WaterCount and Gem for UT and I hope this group will help me in case I have small questions about the Platform that are not worth a forum entry.
 @Aaron [Hey guys Im Aaron a hobby dev and Floss enthusiast. So far I created WaterCount …], you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 @arplusplus [Also last question. When do you think UT will support OnePlus 8. I'm not able to …], see if you can find OnePlus 5/6, Pixel 3A or Redmi Note 7/8
 it's unlikely OP8 will be supported soon since it depends on Halium 10 which is heavily WIP
 @dohbee [you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN], Oh yes that might be a good Idea too 😅
 @NotKit [see if you can find OnePlus 5/6, Pixel 3A or Redmi Note 7/8], Found redmi note 7
 @NotKit [it's unlikely OP8 will be supported soon since it depends on Halium 10 which is …], WIP?
 not ready yet
 Work In Progress
 Ok and halium is kernel?
 For?
 OP
 ?
 halium is the android HAL part needed for running UT on Android based phones
 @arplusplus [Found redmi note 7], The Redmi Note 7 is really nice hardware - but currently there is a bug where phone calls echo in receiver's side.
 @dohbee [halium is the android HAL part needed for running UT on Android based phones], 👍
 @TotalSonic [The Redmi Note 7 is really nice hardware - but currently there is a bug where ph …], Yes it's dirt cheap
 Here
 My friend has second hard mobile shop. I can even pick one for free
 Hard*hand
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/XVxBtgbc.png Im using one right now!
 looks like wrong OS :)
 @nachodorito [<reply to media>], Wow its on redmi 7?
 but nice anyway
 @nachodorito [<reply to media>], heyyyy, that's not UbPorts! get them!
 Mwhahahahaha
 @nachodorito [<reply to media>], [Edit] heyyyy, that's not UBPorts! get them!
 @arplusplus [Yes it's dirt cheap], I ended up putting Lineage 17.1 on mine and it runs nicely. But hopefully the issues on it with UT will get fixed (other bugs are that video recording freezes and that apps are sometimes hard to quit)
 Im trying to get Ubuntu Touch on the moto g5 plus but my note 7 is being used as a sailfish machine rn
 @TotalSonic [I ended up putting Lineage 17.1 on mine and it runs nicely. But hopefully the is …], I don't want to run Lineage OS
 😜
 I only want to run UT
 I'd say it's worth trying if you can get it for cheap
 Sure
 Yup
 This is a nice flash phone to use
 Lineage OS is great, I'm running it now on my Google Pixel
 Works perfectly
 @David [Lineage OS is great, I'm running it now on my Google Pixel], But the whole of privacy makes no sense if you have gapps on it
 @arplusplus [But the whole of privacy makes no sense if you have gapps on it], I use microgapps
 Still gapps right?
 Micro or mini
 @TotalSonic [UBsync arm64 beta error.  So close, yet so far away], oohhh, best of luck with that. Im eagerly awaiting that one.
 Android and "works perfectly" is still a strange concept to me
 @David [I use microgapps], microG, or gapps?
 Lol i use gapps and tiktok. I dont care bout my data, i akready sold my soul to google 😜
 @nachodorito [Lol i use gapps and tiktok. I dont care bout my data, i akready sold my soul to …], Sad
 though we're getting a bit off topic with that. lineage isn't our goal or focus :)
 @arplusplus [I don't want to run Lineage OS], That's why I use my Volla Phone running UT as my daily driver instead.
 👍👍
 I might not get volla phone in India
 @dohbee [microG, or gapps?], Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services which many apps rely on
 @David [Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services whi …], yeah, but it's not gapps
 @dohbee [though we're getting a bit off topic with that. lineage isn't our goal or focus …], Yes agreed. Its a good privacy conscious alternative to Android for people who aren't ready to adopt Linux on the smartphone
 @David [Micro g, its an opensource reimplementation of the essential Google services whi …], I'll check it. But it's about data right. Not code. So many google projects are open source
 End game is not code. It's data
 @wayneTBT [oohhh, best of luck with that. Im eagerly awaiting that one.], I'm not the developer for this - just a tester. Let me know if it works any better for you, if you can try it out.
 @arplusplus [I'll check it. But it's about data right. Not code. So many google projects are …], Correct
 ?
 @dohbee [yeah, but it's not gapps], Sorry you're right, it's not
 It's just a rewritten library for Google services framework
 https://microg.org/
 microG is not from google
 @dohbee [microG is not from google], 👍
 Like vanced is also not from google
 gsf is not open source
 @arplusplus [I might not get volla phone in India], They might be able to ship it to you - but check the frequency bands it runs, as it might not be compatible with Indian carriers
 but Ubuntu Touch doesn't use any of it :)
 @TotalSonic [I'm not the developer for this - just a tester. Let me know if it works any bett …], Ah, it doesnt even appear on the openstore for me but I understand its under development I think.
 So microg apps don't access google services?
 It does access googles servers
 it is off topic for here. if you'd like to continue discussing microg and android, you can perhaps do so in https://t.me/UBportsOF our group for overflow and off topic chatter
 @wayneTBT [Ah, it doesnt even appear on the openstore for me but I understand its under dev …], You can download and install the click from here - https://github.com/belohoub/UBsync/releases/tag/v0.5_multiarch
 @dohbee [it is off topic for here. if you'd like to continue discussing microg and androi …], Thanks Rodney
 @TotalSonic [You can download and install the click from here - https://github.com/belohoub/U …], Ah, thanks … Mine fails to start at the same place.
 @wayneTBT [Ah, thanks … Mine fails to start at the same place.], Oh well. At least it's a start - no pun intended. One of the few apps I really miss on arm64 still - but as a workaround I just am doing synced backups and file transfers via Syncthing now.
 Ok, yeah, its one I do miss from the arm64 still also.  Im just copying files via ssh currently.  Not really ideal but gets the job done.
 The other armhf apps I really wish there was arm64 versions of are uWriter and Snowball World - the latter obviously not being a critical issue though.
 I'll have to look into those.  The other on Im missing is WakeIt, which is a WOL app.
 @wayneTBT [I'll have to look into those.  The other on Im missing is WakeIt, which is a WOL …], That one was updated to arm64 I believe - check the Open Store
 yeah I did install and check it recently but it is coming up with an error on the log viewer app.
 Oh - did not know that
 I've a question; now that Flutter 2 is released and Canoncal decided to make it it's main thing for their apps; are there any plans to make flutter usable in UBPorts?
 @LSolrac [I've a question; now that Flutter 2 is released and Canoncal decided to make it …], it will "just work" in the future when we've fully switched to Wayland, i guess
 @TotalSonic [Oh - did not know that], The log viewer app also brings up a few error messages for ubsync also...  'start: Job failed to start'
 @wayneTBT [The log viewer app also brings up a few error messages for ubsync also...  'star …], Maybe you can report them to the developer at the Git link the click is from
 True.  Will try and work my way around that, Im not very au fait with the testing \ reporting process.
 Ok, I submitted the issue.
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 @wayneTBT [Ok, I submitted the issue.], thank you!
 (Photo, 697x937) https://irc.ubports.com/wQtg5hPy.png
 Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord?
 @H@ñß9ñ [Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord?], https://lmddgtfy.net
 @H@ñß9ñ [Hi where can I join community that learn Linux on discord?], We aren't exactly a community on Discord, but I wish you luck in your search :)
 🤔
 @dohbee [https://lmddgtfy.net], How to use this link?
 He's telling you to search for it yourself. I would have used more words to make it less direct but basically said the same thing
 Fwd from Google Pixels: Google releases [Android 12 Developer Preview 1.1 with bug fixes](https://9to5google.com/2021/03/03/android-12-developer-preview-1-1/)
 @OverLordKDOne [Google releases Android 12 Developer Preview 1.1 with bug fixes], This is off topic of this group
 @TotalSonic [This is off topic of this group], Ok....
 lol, is that a spam bot?
 @mateosalta [lol, is that a spam bot?], What
 @azubieta [https://www.opencode.net/azubieta/dekko-appimage], I like this because I have no up-to-date UT device until my Volla arrives in a few days, so it reminds me of the more modern features in Dekko. I really wish I could do a swipe to refresh on my 15.04 M10 tablet!
 the volla phone is nice
 @TartanSpartan [I like this because I have no up-to-date UT device until my Volla arrives in a f …], are you in europe area?
 Used to be UK, now in western Canada.


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[13:34] <studio-user525> help
[13:35] <studio-user525> Why do drives not show up?
[14:15] <oerheks> studio-user525, depends with what hardware, and what ubuntu version. as of 16.04 there is no fglrx any more
[14:38] <studio-user525> Thank you for that, but what about minimum RAM?  Must it use 64bit and at least x GB of RAM?
[14:39] <oerheks> 2 Gb will do, more ram is more fun.
[14:43] <studio-user525> Wow, that's fantastic.  FYI, I have a Sony Vaio VGC RA834G -- it has all the bells and whistle studio would love, it's just the Card Reader and the other SATA HD only shows up in File Manager, not in the Devices List.
[14:45] <studio-user525> I should add, I downloaded the Drivers from the Sony Support Site, but they are ".exe"  Is there another way to update drivers?
[14:46] <oerheks> studio-user525, not sure about this, did you check with a SDcard inserted?
[15:26] <studio-user525> Sorry, for the delay.  Checked different SD cards and even FlashCards and the same thing...  Nada...
[16:36] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: If it shows up in the file browser and you can see it's contents... then it is there. What devices list are you talking about? (my answer may be a while as I am on my way out the door.
[17:15] <studio-user525> Sorry for any confusion, but using Ubuntu Studio, 32bit, with 2.8 GB Ram, I have a SATA Hard Drive added to the "C" Drive (SATA 0), via SATA 1 and it was there and was utilized numerous times.  Then, it only shows up when I use a GSmartControl.  Not at all in "Devices" panel.
[17:37] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: no such thing as a "C" drive. Unix, Linux, Osx all mount the drive as part of the file system. The file manager should show you were the device is mounted. (generally /media/$USER/partition_id_or_name)
[17:38] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: dos is the only system that has the idea of keeping all devices separately... and windows is built on dos.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: this begs the question of why you feel the need to address this as a device. Are you trying to access it from the commandline?
[18:11] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: if you must have the actual device for formating it, gparted is a good tool for such things as repartitioning/formating. in the end, if you must know the device name, run dmesg right after plugging it in. The last few lines will have something like: [  972.752907]  sdb: sdb1
[18:12] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: this means the device is /dev/sdb and it has one partition on it /dev/sdb1
[18:15] <OvenWerks> studio-user525: A device that use logical partitions will show like: [    1.791379]  sda: sda1 < sda5 sda6 > with the logical partitions in <>.
[20:57] <studio-user725> hi
[20:58] <studio-user725> somebody?


[12:22] <amu> mdz: 9b5cad114656546ce71a41d28f7a569f  hoary-install-amd64.iso installation complete, works _very_ nice ... it's soo fast
[12:28] <mdz> amu: excellent, thanks
[12:28] <cartel_> please checkpoint alioth kde3.4 debs for kdesdk..
[12:28] <cartel_> i implore yoyu
[12:28] <cartel_> you*
[12:29] <amu> cartel_: hi, something strange happened?
[12:29] <amu> .. with kdesdk?
[12:30] <cartel_> amu: its out of sync with alioth
[12:30] <dato> cartel_: they're testing final cd builds for tomorrow's release. this issue should have been brought up at least two days ago.
[12:30] <cartel_> lots of bugs fixed
[12:30] <cartel_> i only discovered/notified riddell yesterday
[12:31] <cartel_> evidently i am the only one using kdevelop on kubuntu
[12:31] <cartel_> :)
[12:31] <cartel_> dato: i only got response from bab (debian upstream maintainer for kde3.4) yesterday
[12:32] <cartel_> dato: i guess it will have to go unfixed for hoary gold
[12:33] <amu> cartel_: oh thanks for info, better inform in addition haggai and me next time.
[12:33] <cartel_> amu: its not a showstopper, just missing files for kdevelop
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: you will find subversion support quite broken with current packages ;)
[12:34] <amu> cartel_: ok ;)
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: and also, no documentation browser in kdevelop
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: i only installed/setup/tried to use kdevelop yesterday, maybe i should have been more enthusiastic :)
[12:35] <cartel_> s/kdevelop/subversion
[12:35] <amu> dato: cartel_ btw, i didnt follow ethe time for a better cooperation between kde-debian and ubuntu, something happend/decieded for now ?
[12:35] <cartel_> amu: not sure
[12:36] <cartel_> i just talked to bab, he told me the bugs were fixed a while ago, i said i would mention it to you guys that you might want to checkpoint... also he says its fixed in KDE_BRANCH
[12:36] <cartel_> as opposed to the release branch
[12:36] <cartel_> which i assume is what we are using
[12:36] <cartel_> so we need to merge his kdesdk rules or something
[12:39] <dato> amu: mmm, well, I talked a bit with haggai some time ago. IIRC, he mentioned some issues with you having some issues about commiting in debian's repos, but we didn't talk more. I was left a bit disappointed (or rather, willing to explore other schemes of collaboration), but as I understood that is not the best moment prior to a release to get into changing things, I thought I'd postpone it a bit, until after the release. which is just
[12:39] <amu> cartel_: a problem could be, we have no static maintainers for packages
[12:41] <cartel_> amu: yes, and the maintainer in the package is listed as bab, even though he never signed off the ubuntu build, so by all rights i shouldnt bother him about it
[12:41] <haggai> dato: yes sorry we didn't get much further as I got too busy working towards the release
[12:41] <cartel_> unless there is some cooperation
[12:42] <amu> dato: dont think wrong, you understood it right, we have to release it and time was close to the release
[12:42] <cartel_> we need to do something about that, and also update reportbug to use bugzilla
[12:42] <haggai> cartel_: we're happy to change the maintainer field if the maintainer prefers.  The main reason for not doing it was to look like we were taking more credit than due where we didn't make large changes to the maintainers' work
[12:42] <cartel_> instead of debian bts
[12:42] <cartel_> haggai: the maintainer field is there for who to contact if the package is broken
[12:43] <dato> haggai: no no, rather on the contrary, I fully understand that work for the release was needed, and I prefer a discussion without time-pressure when it can happen.
[12:43] <haggai> cartel_: that doesn't really work in [k] ubuntu anyway since there is no one package maintainer
[12:43] <cartel_> haggai: if i reportbug to him then he gets miffed because in debian he is release quality tested but in ubuntu he is not
[12:44] <dato> amu: yes, all fine here. :)
[12:44] <haggai> cartel_: so that field is a bit redundant, and I didn't want to drop the credit.  But I see this is awkward too as you say
[12:44] <dato> uhm, doesn't Ubuntu's reportbug send to bugzilla by default?
[12:44] <cartel_> haggai: if we keep the maintainer feild we should checkpoint against his latest builds on alioth
[12:44] <cartel_> dato: send not retreive!!!!!!
[12:45] <dato> I believe I've read that was the case.
[12:45] <haggai> reportbug sends to ubuntu by default
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: theres no way to check without going to bugzilla
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: if the bug has already been submitted
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: in debian, reportbug retreives and lists all current bugs before allowing you to submit a new one
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: ubuntu reportbug just says ok, im going to file a report now, even if its a dupe
[12:46] <cartel_> dato: you could get a million bugs in bugzilla that way
[12:46] <cartel_> all dupes
[12:46] <haggai> cartel_: that was the case, at least for those packages I did: where I was using alioth I kept the maintainer, where I made large changes (eg kdebindings) I changed the maintainer field
[12:46] <cartel_> haggai: right
[12:46] <cartel_> haggai: but in a build where nothing changes except the revision
[12:47] <cartel_> haggai: something needs to happen whereby you are checkpointing against the upstream if you make none or very little changes
[12:47] <haggai> cartel_: the problem was, we were working with 3.4 which isn't in debian yet anyway so we can't really analyse this situation and produce a perfect workflow that will work next time
[12:47] <cartel_> otherwise you have people scrambling to submit patches (like i was yesterday) when its already fixed upstream
[12:48] <cartel_> haggai: kde is always a fast moving target in debian
[12:48] <haggai> cartel_: and we had to freeze too...
[12:48] <haggai> cartel_: I've been watching changes but there have been too many to hand merge
[12:49] <cartel_> haggai: better move would be to get bab to put his changes in ubuntu, as they are going into sid anyway, and then checkpointing against ubuntu rather than the other way around
[12:49] <dato> haggai: ack. we were in complete "experimental packages, we feel free" while kubuntu was focusing on stabilizing and releasing.
[12:49] <cartel_> in that way debian could get nice gnome/kde packages that are tested by a wide community
[12:50] <dato> haggai: I don't want to take more time from you now. very good luck with tomorrow's release, and let's speak some time within the following two weeks, if it's fine with you guys.
[12:51] <haggai> ok thanks a lot
[12:51] <cartel_> maybe in the grim darkness of the far future i will have time to help out with this process
[12:52] <amu> hmm as i remember 3.4.1 will be out in mid. may
[12:59] <cartel_> :(
[01:00] <cartel_> maybe i can checkout the packages myself from alioth... but i have no idea what has to be done to ubuntuize them. i really need this functionality, without it there is no point in me using kubuntu, i may as well switch back to sid.
[01:05] <amu> the release will be in about 5 weeks, means soon betas's of 3.4.1 will be announced
[01:11] <haggai> cartel_: there isn't a great deal to be done to ubuntuise a package - main thing is making sure build-deps are ok
[01:11] <haggai> cartel_: is the problem in kdesdk or in kdevelop?
[01:12] <dato> a simple kdesdk/debian update from KDE_3_4_BRANCH will do, at least for kio_svn.
[01:13] <haggai> oh, kdesdk :(  that is already frozen
[01:14] <haggai> dato: I knocked together a script to generate branch patches, but not for the debian dir.  Is this a debian dir problem?
[01:14] <haggai> I can't find a bug report about this.
[01:14] <haggai> cartel_: is there a bug report open somewhere about this?
[01:15] <dato> haggai: wdym, "a problem"? if you mean that you update (when it's time to) debian/, you do it from svn, that's ok except for bab's packages, which are not in svn.
[01:17] <haggai> dato: I mean a problem that was fixed by a change in debian/ or elsewhere.  I didn't include debian/ updates in my generated patches because they are mostly out of date.
[01:17] <cartel_> haggai: its in the subpackages of kdesdk
[01:17] <cartel_> kdevelop, kdemisc
[01:17] <cartel_> er
[01:17] <cartel_> kdesdk-misc
[01:18] <haggai> cartel_: I'm asking because kdevelop is in universe which means it would be possible to do an update
[01:18] <haggai> cartel_: anything in main cannot be changed immediately (that includes kdesdk)
[01:18] <cartel_> haggai: i havent submitted a bug because reportbug is broken and doesnt list dupe bugs
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: great news! what do i have to do
[01:19] <dato> haggai: it was fixed in debian/, of course (packaging update). but as it was bab's, the commit goes to cvs.kde.org (kdesdk/debian@KDE_3_4_BRANCH) instead of svn.debian.org/pkg-kde.
[01:19] <haggai> cartel_: ah, you need to use bugzilla.ubuntu.com please
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: reccomend remove reportbug if it is broken
[01:19] <haggai> dato: sorry I didn't know the 'of course' because I could not find references to the problem itself
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: or replace it with a placeholder that says "please use bugzilla"
[01:20] <cartel_> haggai: because debian users like myself that come to kubuntu see that reportbug is in the archive and expect it to work the same as debian reportbug
[01:20] <haggai> cartel_: yeah I'm not too sure on that one (reportbug), I've not been involved there
[01:21] <haggai> dato: hmm, so this is a kdesdk problem? :(
[01:21] <cartel_> haggai: and also it says "Will send report to Ubuntu", when actually it is sending a direct mail to the debian maintainer...
[01:21] <haggai> cartel_: really?  I did test it and the report always went to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:21] <haggai> uh, lists.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <dato> haggai: ha, I learnt about it (the problem) this morning, when seeing cartel_ asking bab. I'm not particularly concerned about this specific trouble, I just wanted to make sure that you're aware that there are 3 or 4 modules which don't get svn commits at all, but recieve bug fixes in debian/ via cvs.kde.org.
[01:22] <dato> (whoa, that was lengthy ;-)
[01:22] <haggai> dato: hmm thanks I wasn't aware that was where bab was committing too
[01:24] <dato> haggai: and yes, kio_svn is in kdesdk.
[01:24] <cartel_> -- System Information:
[01:24] <cartel_> Debian Release: 3.1
[01:24] <cartel_> heh
[01:24] <cartel_> so ubuntu is sarge, i didnt know that
[01:25] <haggai> cartel_: odd, is this maybe a hybrid somehow?  Maybe that's what confused reportbug
[01:26] <haggai> cartel_: where did you find that?
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: reportbug
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: this is a clean install from hoary-install
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: i think reportbug is totally fubar
[01:28] <cartel_> haggai: ahh, i see, it is sending to ubuntu-users. its been hardcoded
[01:29] <haggai> cartel_: if 'lsb_release -si' tells it that it is running on ubuntu, it goes to ubuntu-users
[01:29] <haggai> (just checked the code)
[01:30] <cartel_> haggai: but it didnt work, because it threw when trying to submit
[01:30] <haggai> what do you mean by threw?
[01:30] <cartel_> TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[01:30] <cartel_> threw an exception
[01:30] <haggai> ah
[01:30] <haggai> erm, please can you make a bug report *duck* :)
[01:31] <cartel_> anyway, i fixed svn support by building kio_svn from source, so i can work.
[01:31] <cartel_> haggai: i loathe bugzilla :/
[01:31] <haggai> oh cool
[01:31] <haggai> heh, don't we all? :)  Thankfully there is a replacement in the works
[01:31] <cartel_> haggai: are you implementing bts?
[01:32] <cartel_> ok what the hell
[01:32] <cartel_> why does a company backed by the founder of thawte use self signed certificates??????
[01:32] <haggai> me? no :) I'm not canonical.  You can have a look at the new system here:
[01:32] <haggai> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:32] <haggai> no idea
[01:34] <haggai> the new bug tracker is very new and not yet in full production so don't be surprised if there are still bugs in it :)
[01:34] <cartel_> i like it
[01:34] <cartel_> better than mantis
[01:35] <haggai> ah, mantis.  I used that in a past life because it was better with non techies with no time for bug trackers
[01:37] <haggai> if you could report a bug against kdesdk mentioning what is missing that would be grand and help us make sure it gets fixed and tested
[01:37] <haggai> erm, in bugzilla :)
[01:38] <cartel_> blah, i tried to make a report for universe in bugzilla and it threw me at launchpad!!!!
[01:39] <cartel_> and it appears the server crashed when i tried to create an account :(
[01:40] <cartel_> oh it finally responded
[01:40] <Riddell> evening
[01:40] <Riddell> what's the status?
[01:40] <cartel_> hi riddell
[01:41] <cartel_> you got what i said about kdevelop and kdesdk-misc?
[01:42] <Riddell> kio-svn is missing?
[01:42] <cartel_> yes
[01:42] <cartel_> and documentation browser is broken
[01:44] <cartel_> launchpad so slow
[01:44] <Riddell> the whole website is slow
[01:45] <haggai> well you could file it in normal bugzilla since I think we'll probably be looking to move kdevelop into main for breezy anyway
[01:46] <cartel_> where do the names come from
[01:46] <cartel_> where the wild things are?
[01:46] <cartel_> also there are no badgers in africa
[01:46] <cartel_> but there are warthogs and hedgehogs
[01:47] <cartel_> :)
[01:47] <haggai> heh :)  I guess it's in a faq somewhere
[01:47] <cartel_> debian will run out of toystory characters soon
[01:47] <Riddell> can we turn on capslock=control by default for breezy, that's the most annoying thing on a fresh install
[01:48] <Riddell> the kubuntu branding didn't make it into the Windows software on the live CD is seems
[01:48] <haggai> Riddell: what, swap caps lock & control keys?  I don't think the majority of users will want that
[01:48] <Riddell> haggai: pah, majority.  I want it damnit!
[01:49] <haggai> heh, remind me to package kubuntu-default-settings-for-riddell sometime
[01:49] <Riddell> good idea :)
[01:49] <haggai> (as a nice place to store all my spyware)
[01:49] <cartel_> bug filed
[01:50] <haggai> horray :) thx
[01:50] <Riddell> cartel_: bugzilla or malone?
[01:50] <cartel_> malone
[01:50] <Riddell> cartel_: url?
[01:50] <cartel_> didnt give me one
[01:50] <Riddell> curious
[01:50] <haggai> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:50] <cartel_> it just swallowed the bug :)
[01:52] <Riddell> there's also no kde-i18n packages on the CD, we need to work out how best to package that for breezy
[01:53] <cartel_> hahah there is a bug reported by mark shuttleworth
[01:53] <cartel_> Riddell: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/332 and https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/331
[01:53] <cartel_> and malone is horribly broken in konqueror
[01:53] <cartel_> :)
[01:56] <Riddell> so are all the CDs tested and did we get to test the DVDs?
[01:57] <cartel_> Riddell: last i saw the a64 install wanted testing
[02:01] <haggai> Riddell: does this sound ok? "Changes include sudo support, an uncluttered desktop, a tidied K-Menu for applications and 'it just works' support for most hardware configurations"
[02:01] <haggai> Riddell: or do you think 'out of the box' would be better
[02:03] <Riddell> haggai: hmm, that's not really a change to KDE though
[02:04] <haggai> hmm, true
[02:04] <Riddell> how about a separate sentence with it just works hardware support and project utopia/hal for removable devices
[02:05] <haggai> hmm but where without breaking the flow
[02:07] <haggai> should there be a bullet point list of features?  I'm just thinking of someone wanting to scan the announce to decide if kubuntu is a distro that has what they want
[02:07] <haggai> since we'll be attracting people who don't use ubuntu because it has gnome
[02:08] <Riddell> maybe get rid of "including Gwenview 1.2 ..." and replace with a bullet list
[02:10] <Riddell> oh and the developer quoted at the start doesn't have to be me :)
[02:11] <haggai> :) the quote's good
[02:11] <Riddell> ooh http://www.ubuntu.com/ now has non-naked people
[02:20] <Riddell> haggai: bullet points added
[02:20] <haggai> Riddell: just noticed.  I was trying to compose them too but yours were better
[02:21] <Riddell> ah right, that's why we need the website in a version control repository
[02:21] <haggai> although I changed the 'for images' to 'image viewer' etc
[02:21] <haggai> amarok music player
[02:21] <haggai> K3b CD burner / Kaffeine video player
[02:22] <haggai> and OpenOffice.org office suite
[02:22] <haggai> oh, and we need to mention the live CD too
[02:22] <Riddell> oh yes, go ahead and edit
[02:23] <haggai> do we really need the version numbers on the progs?
[02:25] <Riddell> probably not, I just put in Gwenview because that was released a couple days ago
[02:25] <Riddell> but then I chickened out because k3b and kaffeine have less impressive version numbers
[02:25] <haggai> OOo does too
[02:25] <haggai> so can we drop them apart from KDE 3.4?
[02:26] <Riddell> yeah
[02:28] <haggai> got a good way to make a feature out of the live CD?  'Also available as a live CD' ?
[02:29] <haggai> page updated
[02:29] <Riddell> Ubuntu powered  should be Ubuntu-powered  otherwise it reads wrong
[02:30] <haggai> done
[02:32] <Riddell> I can't think of anything better than "Also available as a live CD"
[02:52] <haggai> anything else?  Otherwise I think I'll go to bed
[02:53] <haggai> mdz: anything else need doing?
[02:54] <mdz> haggai: DVD testing if you can
[02:56] <haggai> mdz: that'll take me all eve to download, but good idea I'll start a download to be ready when I wake up
[02:57] <mdz> haggai: since they haven't been tested, we're planning to release them later anyway
[02:57] <mdz> (or if there's a problem, not)
[02:57] <haggai> ok, so I'll test them in the morning
[02:59] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/download.php needs updating
[03:00] <Riddell> do we have final URLs for download yet?
[03:11] <mdz> no, we won't have final URLs until we publish the announcement
[03:15] <Riddell> mdz: what time should I set my alarm for?
[03:15] <mdz> Riddell: 0800 UTC is the proposed time
[03:21] <haggai> arrgh my dsl router has gone on the blink
[03:22] <Riddell> haggai: on dialup?
[03:22] <haggai> Riddell: no but I can't get into my router.  I wanted to configure a bittorrent port for the machine with the dvd writer
[03:23] <Riddell> can't just download?
[03:23] <haggai> and now it seems to have forgotten the password
[03:23] <haggai> hopefully yes
[03:24] <haggai> ok at least I haven't lost my incomming ports, that would have been my phone gone
[03:39] <haggai> ETA for dvd 7 hrs
[06:03] <Riddell> oh great, now I can't work out how to deop
[06:03] <elmo> op me
[06:05] <elmo> haha
[06:05] <elmo> chanserv luvs you
[06:05] <Riddell> chanserv confuses me
[06:06] <Riddell> ah hah
[06:07] <Riddell> no elite op power in #kubuntu though
[06:12] <Lathiat> if it makes anyone feel better the kubuntu intall seems to be working fine
[06:13] <Riddell> Lathiat: x86?
[06:13] <Lathiat> yeh
[06:13] <Riddell> that's a good sign
[06:13] <Lathiat> kaffeine crashed on my once but thats probably a kaffeine issue or somethign
[06:13] <Lathiat> curious, kubuntu can play mp3s out of the box while ubuntu cannot with the gnome stuff
[06:25] <Lathiat> yeh theres definately a crasher with file->open in kaffeine but thats life.
[09:27] <Beineri> Riddell: don't forget the pre-last FAQ entry :-)
[09:27] <Beineri> pre-pre-last now
[09:33] <Beineri> Riddell: the FAQ link is wrong
[09:36] <Beineri> Riddell: the "Ubuntu Sudo FAQ" link seems to be also wrong
[09:37] <Riddell> Beineri: what's wrong with it?
[09:38] <Beineri> Riddell: it ask/redirects to a Login page?
[09:38] <Riddell> ah fooey, that'll be their website change
[09:39] <Beineri> or do you have to register to view the documentation now? :-)
[09:40] <Beineri> seems that the whole FAQ disappeared
[09:41] <Riddell> yes
[09:41] <Beineri> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo maybe then?
[09:42] <Riddell> changed
[09:42] <Riddell> wonder what happened to the FAQ
[09:43] <haggai> hmm I can remove the reference to k3bsetup being dangerous in the sudo faq
[09:45] <Riddell> haggai: where?
[09:45] <haggai> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo section Possibel issues
[09:45] <Riddell> assuming it's not dangerous do take it out
[09:46] <mdz> are you guys ready to send out the announcement?
[09:46] <Riddell> mdz: yep
[09:46] <mdz> ok, see #ubuntu-devel for coordination
[09:47] <haggai> Riddell: we already disabled in the package since its not necessary on works-out-of-the-box kubuntu
[09:50] <Riddell> haggai: best make it say that then
[09:50] <haggai> Riddell: are you sending the announce?
[09:51] <Riddell> announce sent to ubuntu-announce
[09:51] <haggai> cool
[09:53] <mdz> congratulations, guys
[09:53] <mdz> great work getting the release together on a tight schedule
[09:54] <haggai> thanks mdz for all your help too.  Hmm we didn't convert you to kubuntu yet did we? :)
[09:54] <Riddell> allee: going to be our first installer?
[09:56] <allee> Riddell: Hi.   I really wish I could.  but thursday night to sunday I only have ISDN (64kBit).  Too masochistic to even try it :( :( :( :( :( :(
[09:56] <Riddell> someone want to post to slashdot?
[09:57] <Beineri> funny how the announcements differ, only one has quotes and press contacts :-)
[09:57] <Riddell> here at kubuntu we like to be a bit more professional
[09:57] <Beineri> ;-)
[09:58] <allee> Riddell: cool statement
[09:59] <Riddell> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-April/000024.html
[09:59] <Beineri> Riddell: wiki pages?
[10:00] <Riddell> Beineri: what about them?
[10:01] <Beineri> Riddell: need an update?
[10:16] <Beineri> distrowatch.com has Kubuntu news (but not Ubuntu yet :-)
[10:16] <Riddell> bwahaha
[10:17] <Beineri> but it's good to have an own news entry
[10:17] <Riddell> and someone in #ubuntu has already downloaded and installed the final thing, beating any reports of Ubuntu installs
[10:17] <Beineri> Kubuntu Install CD is smaller than Ubuntu's :-)
[10:20] <Beineri> Riddell: KubuntuFiles update?
[10:23] <haggai> Riddell: did you see sladen's comment about the php?
[10:23] <Riddell> nope
[10:23] <haggai> 09:15 < sladen> haggai: it might be worth replacing that .php with a static page.  it's /. itself already
[10:23] <haggai> 09:21 < sladen> is there any chance  www.kubuntu.org  could be put behind the reverse-proxy.  It's getting hammered
[10:25] <haggai> hmm cpu usage on the box is pretty low though
[10:25] <Riddell> I suspect it'll be the bandwidth rather than the server
[10:26] <haggai> yup looks like it
[10:31] <elmo> eh?
[10:32] <elmo> it's got Gb to the internet
[10:32] <elmo> it's not bandwidth
[10:34] <haggai> yup, 26 sec on localhost
[10:34] <mdz> ew
[10:34] <mdz> that's PHP for you ;-)
[10:37] <Beineri> Riddell: KubuntuFiles still talks about "release candidate" </nitpick> :-)
[10:39] <haggai> there's large amounts of disk io happening
[10:42] <Riddell> Beineri: nitpicking is good.  this wiki is running quite slowly just now
[10:44] <Beineri> seems I have to nag Waldo more that he fixes Kubuntu Wiki for Konqueror :-|
[10:45] <Riddell> I think it's the whole plone site not just the wiki
[10:45] <Beineri> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102925 btw
[10:49] <Beineri> Riddell: you could add the Swedish mirror to http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[10:49] <Beineri> and not listing England as first :-)
[10:50] <Riddell> Beineri: I don't see it at http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:50] <Riddell> ah, found it http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/
[10:50] <Beineri> Riddell: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/
[10:50] <Riddell> :)
[11:02] <Riddell> Beineri: fancy casting an eye over that dot story?
[11:15] <Beineri> Riddell: "With Kubuntu KDE now has the it deserves."? :-)
[11:15] <Riddell> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  7 downloading ubuntu, 65 downloading kubuntu
[11:15] <Beineri> distrowatch effect
[11:15] <Riddell> Beineri: could be taken either way I suppose
[11:16] <Beineri> mention Live-CDs?
[11:17] <Beineri> and fix kubuntu.org server first ;-)
[11:17] <haggai> seems its not php
[11:17] <haggai> directly, at least
[11:17] <Beineri> mention bittorrent
[11:17] <haggai> the first time you fetch a page, regardless of whether its php or not, you get a long pause
[11:18] <haggai> I mean the first time you fetch anything from the server
[11:18] <Beineri> link to rc osdir screenshots?
[11:18] <Riddell> haggai: because it can't do reverse DNS?
[11:18] <haggai> Riddell: reverse DNS is a little slow but does work
[11:20] <haggai> Riddell: cf the difference between netstat --ip and netstat --ip -n
[11:20] <Beineri> Riddell: the 7 downloading seems to be for snapshots, 220 are downloading ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[11:21] <haggai> indeed we are :)
[11:22] <Riddell> Beineri: story updated
[11:28] <Beineri> actually the screenshots were taken with the Preview...
[11:29] <Beineri> Riddell: cut the quote part from the into and put both quotes from the announce into the body
[11:34] <Riddell> Beineri: done
?
[11:36] <Riddell> Beineri: done
[11:38] <Riddell> Beineri: feel free to approve
[11:39] <Beineri> KDE leads the world?
[11:40] <Riddell> KDE grabs the world and throws it into desktop environment goodness
[11:41] <Riddell> "Kubuntu chose KDE because it was the only Free Software desktop environment with a sensible file open dialogue" said developer Jonthan Riddell
[11:42] <Beineri> http://dot.kde.org/1112950808/ for everyone
[11:42] <Riddell> cool, thanks Beineri
[11:43] <haggai> good stuff
[11:46] <Beineri> the distrowatch ubuntu delay makes me think that its owner runs KDE might have an influence ;-)
[11:47] <Riddell> Kubuntu at number 11 for the last month, still a good way behind Ubuntu
[11:48] <Riddell> but I'll bet all those Ubuntu hits are people looking for the KDE version of it :)
[12:04] <Riddell> gosh, Mandriva, what a horrible name
[12:04] <d3vic3> hehehe
[12:09] <Kamion> oh, btw, I created kubuntu breezy seeds, usual place
[12:09] <Kamion> the actual suite in the archive hasn't been set up yet though
[12:16] <Riddell> haggai: did you try the DVD?
[12:27] <Beineri> osdir.com is fast: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=29&title=kubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots
[12:34] <Beineri> seems they did the shots already yesterday evening
[12:34] <Beineri> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=33
[12:42] <Beineri> distrowatch's Ubuntu news entry is smaller ;-)
[12:50] <Beineri> Riddell: you didn't blog? :-)
[12:52] <Beineri> http://www.golem.de/0504/37385.html (German)
[01:16] <Beineri> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8009.html (German)
[01:24] <Riddell> I wonder if there's a secret osdir lurker on the channel
[01:24] <Beineri> or just someone who can read schedules? :-)
[01:30] <Beineri> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58365 (German) - mainly about Ubuntu :-|
[01:31] <Beineri> someone should wake up the English news sites ;-)
[01:39] <Beineri> Riddell: did you submit to Freshmeat?
[02:09] <haggai> Riddell: still burning
[02:11] <Beineri> Riddell: "Unfortunatly" typo in faq.php
[02:22] <Beineri> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10236
[02:34] <apokryphos> Not sure you can edit it, but from the dot: "Free Software desktop progra[ms] ." :)
[02:35] <apokryphos> Though, as far as I've seen a lot of Americans think "programme" is just one of our idiosyncratic alternative spellings, but it's generally used to mean different things
[02:35] <Beineri> me? can, but I guess that's some Scottish form :-)
[02:36] <apokryphos> Riddell really, but whatever. :D
[02:44] <Beineri> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10236&offset=7 - typical :-|
[02:58] <Qerub> Riddell: There?
[03:36] <Beineri> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/1213250.shtml?tid=162&tid=121&tid=106
[04:51] <haggai> arggh I can't boot from the dvd
[04:51] <Beineri> linuxtoday.com doesn't mention kubuntu at all :-|
[04:51] <haggai> it might be a drive/burning problem though - I've never booted from a dvd written using that drive
[04:51] <Beineri> dvds are not yet released afaik
[04:52] <haggai> Beineri: hmm?  I'm testing the image for release...
[04:52] <Beineri> "for release", yes. but it's not announced/released yet so no public harm done :-)
[05:04] <Kamion> I'm actually just waiting for work on our ISP to finish before pushing out the images ...
[05:04] <Kamion> did all the DVD images get tested last night?
[05:04] <Kamion> er, s/pushing out the images/pushing out the torrents/
[05:16] <haggai> Kamion: I can't get the DVD image to boot
[05:16] <Kamion> which?
[05:16] <haggai> kubuntu-i386
[05:16] <Kamion> hm, surprising
[05:16] <haggai> Kamion: but it might be a hardware problem since I've not booted from a self-written dvd before
[05:16] <Kamion> yeah, I'm not going to be able to check myself :(
[05:17] <haggai> the drive whirs for quite a while and after a long time my normal grub boot kicks in
[05:19] <je4d> Beineri: hey, there will always be trolls.. I'm actually quite pleased to to see most comments putting ubuntu and kubuntu as equal citizens, rather than "main-distro" and "spinoff"
[05:21] <haggai> gah
[05:21] <haggai> tried on another machine and it does boot
[05:21] <Kamion> ok, change of plan my end, DVD torrents will go out tomorrow
[05:21] <Kamion> so test all you like :)
[05:21] <haggai> cool thanks
[05:22] <haggai> I'll have to repartition the machine where the dvd works to get space for a test install
[05:22] <haggai> Kamion: what time will they go out?  I'm out this eve
[05:28] <Beineri> Kubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:2
[05:28] <Beineri> Kubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:2.78
[05:30] <apokryphos> torrent-wise it's nearly 1:3 peer-wise (at the moment)
[05:31] <Beineri> ok, how do you calculate? downloading? downloading+downloaded? :-)
[05:31] <apokryphos> Downloading
[05:31] <apokryphos> lot more ubuntu seeds though
[05:31] <Beineri> downloading amd64 is 1:1.8 :-)
[05:32] <apokryphos> heh
[05:33] <Beineri> seeding is 1:4.98
[05:35] <Beineri> downloading+downloaded 1:3.6
[05:36] <Beineri> including every mirror? :-)
[05:36] <haggai> DVD image is ok for live
[05:36] <apokryphos> yeah :P
[11:23] <Riddell> Kamion: someone says kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.jigdo doesn't work because it has this line in it Template=hoary-install-amd64.template


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[10:41] <Ng> Keybuk: sorry about that. filed now as bug #442963
[23:31] <damjan> can I make a job in Upstart 0.6.3 that starts only when /dev/hvc0 is available?
[23:33] <Esmil> damjan: I guess one way would be to write a udev rule to call emit when /dev/hvc0 is up
[23:47] <ion> Upstart, or at least the Ubuntu package for it, seems to come with upstart-udev-bridge. I haven’t looked what kind of events it emits, but i assume it does what you want.
[23:50] <damjan> I tried find -name *udev* in Upstars source but nothing appeared
[23:50] <ion> The packaging, then.
[23:50] <damjan> man 5 init mentions a "device-added" event ... but doesn't say who generates it