[10:34] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:11] <_stink_> yo
[14:06] <widox> morning
[14:07] <cmaloney> I think I've finished the text for The Medicore Programmer book that I've been writing
[14:07] <cmaloney> if anyone would like a sneak peek at it LMK
[14:07] <cmaloney> I still have to edit it before releasing it to the public
[14:27] <dzho> cmaloney: sure, hit me up with a link or whatever, via pm or fediverse dm or ...
[14:28] <dzho> and lemme know how you'd like diffs
[14:29] <cmaloney> it's available here: https://framagit.org/craigmaloney/themediocreprogrammer
[14:29] <cmaloney> you'll need an account. Once you have that set up PM me with your account name and I'll add you there.
[14:29] <cmaloney> issues in the repo would be awesome.
[14:30] <dzho> oh the frama projects are not ones I am opposed to getting accounts on :-)
[14:30] <dzho> so, will do.
[14:30] <cmaloney> :)
[14:36] <dzho> cmaloney: ok, I'm in as 'deejoe'
[14:39] <cmaloney> Added. Thanks!
[14:42] <dzho> cmaloney: I'm seeing issues but not any source?
[14:44] <cmaloney> you currently have guest permissions in a private repo. Does that not give you access to the source?
[14:45] <cmaloney> Try it now. I gave you reporter access
[14:48] <dzho> aha, now I see the Repository item in the left-hand sidebar.
[15:02] <dzho> cmaloney: ... and, clone! Read the intro using http://deejoe.etrumeus.com/update/reading-markdown-files-at-the-console-using-w3m-via-mime.html and so far no glaring problems. Will set aside the next bit for later.
[15:02] <dzho> feel free to bug me about my progress at any point.
[15:04] <cmaloney> You can also use pandoc to read the epub / PDF / html files. :)
[15:08] <dzho> heh
[15:09] <dzho> maybe I should have given pandoc billing in that link title, but yeah, that's part of what makes it all go
[15:11] <dzho> I've got another thing, a slightly newer approach but more flexible and more in-keeping with This Modern World Of GUI Web Browsers, I call mdbrowse, in which I feed a file to pandoc, ask it to make an .html file, call xdg-open on that temporary file, and then issue a 'read' as a pause before deleting the temporary file.
[15:12] <dzho> if I encounter figures, I'll fire that up
[15:12] <cmaloney> nice
[15:26] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/103416921442200060388/posts/NrrqEeVsouf
[18:44] <Scary_Guy> saw that on reddit, it works for so many things
[18:45] <Scary_Guy> I've got friends into graphic design and I think that's where it started making the rounds
[18:45] <Scary_Guy> the award ribbon for "I survived another meeting that should have been an email" is precious too


[04:22] <Luca__> Anybody there having some experiences in deploying openstack using charms?
[06:52] <Luca__> Hi there. Anyone with some experience in deploying openstack with charms?
[11:28] <jamespage> yolanda, whats the stack trace?
[12:00] <yolanda> jamespage, finished with heat charm, now i'm testing a full deployment with heat again, then you should review it?
[12:03] <jamespage> yolanda, happy to take a look - have you pushed your changes?
[12:03] <yolanda> jamespage, yes, latest changes are pushed
[12:05] <jamespage> yolanda, some test failures: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6493740/
[12:05] <jamespage> you need to stubb out os
[12:05] <yolanda> it ran without tests for me
[12:05] <yolanda> without test failures
[12:05] <yolanda> mm, i see
[12:06] <yolanda> maybe i had write permissions there
[12:07] <jamespage> yolanda, something is also called apt-get update
[12:07] <jamespage> maybe in install hook?
[12:08] <yolanda> looking now
[12:14] <yolanda> ok, pushed new changes
[12:14] <yolanda> i think i was running the tests with root user, so it worked because of that
[12:18] <yolanda> jamespage ^
[13:09] <jamespage> yolanda, you still need to sub out around the creation of /etc/heat better
[13:09] <jamespage> it does not exist on my system, so the tests fail
[13:12] <jamespage> yolanda, README needs a tidy to remove ceph stuff, and metadata.yaml contains some trailing whitespace and odd indentations for categories
[13:13] <jamespage> yolanda, re templates - you can drop the etc_heat from the api-paste.ini
[13:13] <jamespage> its not require
[13:14] <jamespage> and we should probably set auth_encryption_key to something sensible
[13:14] <jamespage> maybe provide via configuration and set to something random if not supplied - but that has to persist (i.e. it needs to be stored on disk)
[13:14] <jamespage> yolanda, re the [keystone_authtoken] in heat.conf
[13:15] <jamespage> that looks like it needs completing - but I'm not 100% sure how that interacts with api-paste.ini
[13:16] <jamespage> yolanda, in the install hook you need to deal with openstack-origin: distro on 12.04
[13:16] <jamespage> I think the cinder charm does this best - basically it changes distro -> cloud:precise-XXX if on precise
[13:16] <jamespage> take a look
[13:17] <jamespage> yolanda, actually re the use of os.path and os.mkdir - charmhelpers has an mkdir function somewhere that encapsulates all of that
[13:17] <jamespage> so you could just stubb that out instead of dealing with os directly
[13:18] <yolanda> jamespage, ok, i'll work on that fixes
[13:18] <jamespage> yolanda, other than that looks pretty good - nice work!
[13:19] <jamespage> not tried it yet - will do later today once you have updated
[13:19] <yolanda> most complicated part was to make it work, i needed a 16G compute machine for that to run :)
[13:19] <jamespage> yolanda, oh - the icon is a ceph one btw
[13:19] <jamespage> do ceilometer and heat have official icons just yet?
[13:21] <jamespage> I don't think so - yolanda - just drop the icon for the time being
[13:21] <jamespage> we can add that later
[13:21] <yolanda> ok
[13:21] <jamespage> ditto ceilometer
[13:21] <jamespage> gonna work on that next
[13:23] <yolanda> i bet ceilometer has changed a lot since i wrote it
[13:43] <dweaver> Can't seem to find an equivalent to  jitsu  watch UNIT --state=started using juju-core is there any equivalent or should I be parsing juju status output myself instead?
[13:47] <X-warrior`> How could I get out of a 'failed state' when juju resolved doesn't work?
[13:47] <X-warrior`> :S
[14:26] <X-warrior`> marcoceppi: are u around?
[15:28] <dweaver> X-warrior`, try juju resolved multiple times.
[15:28] <X-warrior`> I already tried it
[15:28] <X-warrior`> A LOT
[15:31] <dweaver> juju destroy-environment and re-deploy will work, of course.  juju destroy-unit should remove the unit, but if that doesn't work then you need juju destroy-unit --force, which is in the development version.
[15:32] <X-warrior`> destroy-environment will work, but I don't want to destroy everything
[15:33] <X-warrior`> destroy-unit depends on machine state
[15:35] <X-warrior`> uhmm
[15:36] <yolanda> jamespage, what do you think it can be a good place to store heat auth key
[15:36] <yolanda> ?
[15:36] <jamespage> yolanda, I'm been trying to standardize on /var/lib/charm/{service_name} for that type of stuff
[15:37] <yolanda> ok
[15:57] <X-warrior`> dweaver: 1.16.3 does not have this --force option
[15:58] <dweaver> I know, it is in development. see bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1089291
[15:58] <_mup_> Bug #1089291: destroy-machine --force <canonical-webops> <destroy-machine> <theme-oil> <juju-core:Fix Committed by fwereade> <juju-core 1.16:Fix Committed by fwereade> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089291>
[15:59] <dweaver> So, it is in 1.16.4
[16:03] <dweaver> There is also a workaround in the bug report, at the bottom.
[16:09] <X-warrior`> hazmat: are u there?
[16:25] <hazmat> X-warrior`, i am
[16:26]  * hazmat reads backlog
[16:26] <X-warrior`> hazmat: sorry to bother you, but I saw your script that does a direct db delation and I think I need it...
[16:27] <hazmat> X-warrior`, so this is juju-core.. could you pastebin the relevant portion of status
[16:27] <hazmat> X-warrior`, failed state is rather ambigious, you mean a unit or machine?.. a status pastebin would help understand what the issue is
[16:27] <X-warrior`> just a sec
[16:30] <X-warrior`> http://pastebin.com/YHM3bx2E
[16:30] <X-warrior`> the problem is that juju resolved, never resolve the problem, I already try to execute it a lot...
[16:31] <hazmat> X-warrior`, juju resolved on elasticsearch/0 or logstash-indexer/0  ?
[16:31] <X-warrior`> I tried on both of then
[16:33] <hazmat> X-warrior`, in one terminal window can you start juju debug-log .. and then in another do the resolve on either elasticsearch/0 or logstash-indexer/0..  and then pastebin the log output.
[16:36] <X-warrior`> hazmat: http://pastebin.com/5pJ3KjpW
[16:40] <hazmat> X-warrior`, are you doing resolved --retry or just resolved ?
[16:40] <X-warrior`> just resolved
[16:41] <X-warrior`> hazmat: http://pastebin.com/494HpENN looks better
[16:41] <X-warrior`> I see a " cannot allocate memory", I guess because I'm using a micro instance...
[16:42] <hazmat> X-warrior`, eek, yeah java on micros is rather ambitious
[16:42] <hazmat> X-warrior`, i'd try to ssh into that machine and manually shutdown elasticsearch to free up some memory
[16:44] <hazmat> X-warrior`, micros aren't really useful virtual machines in my experience, they are severely constrained and penalized at the hypervisor level. for useful work m1.small is about as small i go.. t1.micros are good for almost static or net io primary workloads
[16:44] <hazmat> er.. s/good/ok
[16:44] <X-warrior`> I'm just starting on it, so testing stuff and checking how it works...
[16:45] <X-warrior`> but thanks for the tip ;)
[16:45] <X-warrior`> and for the help
[16:45] <X-warrior`> let me try to ssh into it
[16:52] <hazmat> re t1.micro and cpu penalization.. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/concepts_micro_instances.html
[16:56] <hazmat> X-warrior`, wrt to future stuff that makes this nicer.. it will be in the next dev release (1.17.0) we'll have destroy-machine --force machine_id which will forcibly kill units on the machine
[16:56] <X-warrior`> hazmat: yeap I heard about this. dweaver showed me the 'bug' on launchpad and then I find your name and script
[16:58] <hazmat> X-warrior`, that script isn't appropriate for your case, it was specifically around a stuck machine with no units, the  --force feature on trunk will handle both cases.
[16:59] <X-warrior`> got it
[16:59]  * X-warrior` running status to check if it worked
[17:00] <hazmat> X-warrior`, any luck shutting down elasticsearch? .. you'll probably need to rerun the resolved hook on it
[17:02] <X-warrior`> Oh men why on earth I used this micro instances :(
[17:02] <X-warrior`> and trying to put more then one service on the same machine
[17:02]  * X-warrior` feels dumb
[17:03] <X-warrior`> elasticsearch is not marked as failed anymore... but logstash-indexer keeps with the failure status...
[17:08] <hazmat> X-warrior`, updated status pastebin pls
[17:08] <hazmat> X-warrior`, elasticsearch/0 should be gone i would think
[17:09] <X-warrior`> http://pastebin.com/7YN7rrwE
[17:10] <hazmat> X-warrior`, looks good, that's progress.. so back to logstash-indexer
[17:10] <X-warrior`> yeap
[17:11] <X-warrior`> same process as before? one terminal with debug-log another with resolved?
[17:12] <hazmat> X-warrior`, yes pls
[17:14] <X-warrior`> "ERROR cannot set resolved mode for unit "logstash-indexer/0": already resolved"
[17:15] <X-warrior`> but it is not resolved
[17:17] <X-warrior`> Logstash   agent-state is marked as down. Maybe it cannot do the resolve with it down
[17:21] <hazmat> hmm
[17:21] <hazmat> X-warrior`, can you log into that machine by ip, and manually restart the juju agent there
[17:22] <hazmat> X-warrior`, ls /etc/init/juju* should tell you which upstart job it is.. then sudo service <name of file minus .conf> restart
[17:22] <X-warrior`> it worked
[17:22] <X-warrior`> I rebooted the machine
[17:22] <X-warrior`> and then logstash and elasticsearch are gone
[17:23] <hazmat> X-warrior`, cool
[17:24] <X-warrior`> thanks
[17:24] <X-warrior`> for all the help
[17:24] <X-warrior`> :D
[17:28] <X-warrior`> hazmat: thanks for all the help, I'm leaving now
[17:28] <X-warrior`> dweaver: Thanks! :D
[17:28] <hazmat> cheers
[20:41] <aquarius> I'm trying to deploy marcoceppi's Discourse charm on Azure. juju status says "agent-state-info: 'hook failed: "install"'" for the "discourse" service. How do I work out what failed and start working out why?
[20:52] <hazmat> aquarius, log into the machine and inspect the log at /var/log/juju ... alternative juju resolved --retry while doing juju debug-log...
[20:53] <aquarius> hazmat, that sounds useful. How do I log into the machine? (I am completely new to juju, as you may be able to tell. :))
[20:53] <hazmat> final option is interactive debug-hooks environment, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-hook-debug.html
[20:53] <hazmat> aquarius, juju ssh name-of-unit
[20:53] <aquarius> ha! that's too easy :)
[20:54] <hazmat> ie. juju ssh discourse/0
[20:54] <aquarius> and I am logged in. Best command ever :)
[20:55] <aquarius> aha, it got a timeout while connecting to github. That sounds transient
[20:55] <aquarius> so "juju resolved --retry" will retry the failed deploy?
[20:55] <aquarius> or will it redeploy everything?
[20:56] <aquarius> ah, I need to specify the unit
[20:56] <aquarius> ok, this is just too simple. :)
[20:58] <aquarius> hm. Maybe I was wrong. "juju resolved --retry discourse/0" returned (and if I run it again, it says that unit is already resolved), but juju status still shows that unit as being in agent-state: error. Shouldn't it be pending or something?
[20:58] <aquarius> or do I have to force a redeploy from scratch, rather than just --retry?
[20:59] <hazmat> aquarius, its async
[20:59] <aquarius> sure thing
[21:00] <aquarius> I wasn't expecting it to hang until finished
[21:00] <hazmat> aquarius, it will retry, but there
[21:00] <aquarius> bu I would expect juju status to *indicate* that it's retrying :)
[21:00] <hazmat> is no guarantee as well that subsequent times will fix
[21:00] <hazmat> yeah.. there's an outstanding issue to allow for some observation of hook execution
[21:00] <hazmat> ie. when are things really done/steady state
[21:00] <hazmat> as opposed to just workflow states
[21:00] <aquarius> oh, cool, so it will work the way I expect eventually but doesn't right now. that's ok
[21:01] <aquarius> I don't mind if what I expect to happen agrees with the plan but code hasn't quite caught up yet :)
[21:01] <hazmat> well depends on what you expect, but yeah that should be partially addresses
[21:01] <hazmat> aquarius, the async is pretty fast though (a few seconds).. so if its not resolved it likely ran into the same issue again
[21:01] <hazmat> i'd suggest logging into the instance and verifying github connectivity
[21:01] <aquarius> and indeed it did fail again
[21:02] <aquarius> although in a different place.
[21:02] <hazmat> progress then
[21:02] <aquarius> github connectivity seems to be *intermittent*, which is way worse than "not working at all"
[21:02] <hazmat> aquarius, what's the error this time
[21:02]  * aquarius gives azure a fishy look :)
[21:03] <hazmat> ah azure.. tis a special child, with an iaas veneer over paas concepts
[21:03] <aquarius> new question: does the juju gui run on port 80? That is: can I juju deploy the gui to a machine which already has a web thing on it?
[21:03] <hazmat> aquarius, it runs on port 443, but also listens on 80 to do auto redirect to 443
[21:04] <aquarius> right, so if I have a web thing on that machine I should not deploy the gui to it
[21:04] <aquarius> I could give the gui its own machine, of course, but I'm currently using the azure free trial and I don't want it to eat the free trial cash amount too quickly ;)
[21:05] <hazmat> aquarius, yeah.. i'd recommend not, i haven't  tried it, but i  imagine the proxy backend that its running will barf on the port already bound for 80.. would be nice if that were configurable
[21:05]  * aquarius nods
[21:05] <hazmat> since its not functionally used.. ie web app port 80 gui on 443
[21:06]  * aquarius looks irritably at azure. It keeps failing github connections, but not all of them.
[21:06]  * hazmat files a bug against gui
[21:08] <hazmat> azure services dashboard is greenlit .. http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/support/service-dashboard/
[21:08] <hazmat> not clear what the issue is
[21:08] <hazmat> github status also green https://status.github.com/
[21:08] <aquarius> yeah, something weird going on. It's dying on doing github stuff, but not in the same places, and previously failed commands work sometimes
[21:08] <aquarius> I love intermittent failures :)
[21:09] <hazmat> thats a special kind ;-)
[21:09] <aquarius> maybe it's a github problem
[21:09] <aquarius> rather than an azure problem
[21:09] <aquarius> could be blaming azure unfairly here :)
[21:09] <hazmat> aquarius, also a possibility
[21:10] <hazmat> anedoctally seems to be okay for me in casual testing
[21:10] <hazmat> couple of pulls
[21:10] <aquarius> yeah, it's succeeding most of the time
[21:10] <aquarius> but discourse pulls about 500 things
[21:10] <aquarius> :)
[21:11] <aquarius> things that would be nice: something which gets kicked off when I do a deploy, sits in the background, and somehow tells me if the deploy goes wrong, rather than having to juju status to see what's happened
[21:11] <hazmat> there's an api for that but yeah, it would be good to integrate that into the cli
[21:11] <hazmat> with desktop notification
[21:11] <aquarius> also, resuming a build from the last place we got to would b nice, but that's not juju's fault, that's the discourse charm's job
[21:12] <aquarius> hm, it is possible that it actually *is* resuming from the last place it got to :)
[21:13] <aquarius> if that's the case then I will make slow and irritating progress, over time :)
[21:14] <hazmat> aquarius, depends on the charm implementation, juju is just re-executing the  install hook
[21:15]  * hazmat pokes at the discourse charm
[21:15] <hazmat> marcoceppi, you around?
[21:16] <aquarius> I pung him a while back, so I don't think he is. Hopefully he will be over the weekend and I can try again :)
[21:16] <hazmat> aquarius, so the apt installs are intelligent about no op on already present.
[21:16] <aquarius> ruby bundler, probably less so
[21:16] <aquarius> everyone thinks they can writ a package manager ;)
[21:16] <hazmat> aquarius, and it looks like the git pieces will just refetch/update instead of full pull
[21:17] <hazmat> aquarius, yup.. there's at least one for every language
[21:18] <aquarius> hm! we may have got past the git bits
[21:18] <aquarius> progress!
[21:19] <aquarius> 2013-11-29 21:19:03 INFO juju.worker.uniter context.go:255 HOOK Gem::InstallError: rake-compiler requires RubyGems version >= 1.8.25. Try 'gem update --system' to update RubyGems itself.
[21:20] <aquarius> that has to be a dependency bug in the charm.
[21:22] <marcoceppi> 0/
[21:23] <marcoceppi> aquarius: there's a version of the charm not pushed yet. wip branch. that uses rvm + ruby2.0
[21:23] <marcoceppi> are you using the charm store version of the one on github?
[21:24] <dpb1> marcoceppi: where is a good starter example of amulet?
[21:25] <marcoceppi> dpb1: lete dig you up an example
[21:25] <dpb1> k
[21:28] <aquarius> marcoceppi, heya!
[21:28] <aquarius> marcoceppi, I'm using the one in the charm store
[21:28] <aquarius> aquarius@faith:~ $ juju deploy cs:~marcoceppi/discourse
[21:29] <aquarius> should I have done somethnig else?
[21:33] <marcoceppi> aquarius: that one lags behind by a bit, as you can see discourse travels at a fast pace :)
[21:33] <marcoceppi> aquarius: let me find the latest stable and push it up to the charm store
[21:33] <aquarius> cool
[21:34] <marcoceppi> aquarius: it fetches a ton of deps via gem though, that's an upstream thing and nothing I can really do about that :)
[21:34] <marcoceppi> I've got some code to streamline the process from them, not yet implemented though
[21:35] <aquarius> marcoceppi, yeah :)
[21:35] <aquarius> marcoceppi, so, once you've pushed a new version to the charm store, can I deploy the new version over the top of the old one?
[21:36] <aquarius> or do I have to kill all the existing vms and deploy from scratch?
[21:37] <marcoceppi> aquarius: not really, I don't make any guarentees with upgrades, one of the reasons why it's still in a personal branch and not in the store. Once they get a 1.0 out I'll probably stabilize the charm and push it to cs:precise/discourse
[21:37] <hazmat> aquarius, generically you can switch charm origins.. juju switch -h see --switch and point it to a local branch checkout
[21:37] <aquarius> so from what marcoceppi is saying I'm best to kill this setup stone dead and start fresh with the new charm once it's in the charm store, yes?
[21:38] <marcoceppi> aquarius hazmat: that's true, but there's a big difference in charm between what you have and current version (building ruby from rvm, etc) and there's no upgrade-charm hook
[21:38] <hazmat> marcoceppi, in this case it never made it through the install hook, is that reasonable safe?
[21:38] <aquarius> hazmat, I'm happy to destroy the existing deployment
[21:38] <hazmat> aquarius, that's the safest way
[21:38] <marcoceppi> hazmat aquarius if you're willing to try, sure!
[21:38] <aquarius> how do I do it? :)
[21:38] <hazmat> in terms of not creating new errors
[21:38] <hazmat> aquarius, so..
[21:38] <marcoceppi> hazmat: however, won't it not work because of install hook in error?
[21:39] <hazmat> marcoceppi, not with --switch and --force
[21:39] <marcoceppi> hazmat: ah, the good 'ol --force flag
[21:39] <aquarius> am I best to juju destroy-environment which kills the whole thing, and then juju bootstrap again from the start?
[21:39] <aquarius> I don't think I understand what an environment is :)
[21:39] <hazmat> marcoceppi, its an intended workflow for just this case.. ie. switching origins to fix/work/customize  a charm.
[21:40] <hazmat> tis a good flag indeed
[21:40] <hazmat> aquarius, so azure takes forever
[21:40] <hazmat> aquarius, there's another option
[21:41] <hazmat> aquarius, which is destroy-service and terminate-machine.. its a bit annoying with juju-core  in that you have to resolve errors first. There's a juju deployer plugin on pypi, that automates this into juju-deplyer -TW ... and it does watch what's happening and tell you what's going on (re your earlier suggestion)
[21:41] <hazmat> its also a nice declarative way to build a topology of services.
[21:42] <aquarius> one step at a time.  So if I juju destroy-environment, then the whole thing goes away, and then I can just juju bootstrap again?
[21:42] <hazmat> give me a ping when its done, i'll be around.
[21:43] <aquarius> I'm stopping shortly and going to the pub anyway. It is Friday night ;)
[21:43] <hazmat> aquarius, yes, azure is slightly different in that destroy involves synchronous destruction of various internal azure resources.
[21:43] <hazmat> its a bit time consuming, and O(n) the size of the environment. It is pretty reliable  (imo)
[21:44] <hazmat> aquarius, so yeah.. slow but safe, works
[21:44] <aquarius> that's the plan here :)
[21:44]  * aquarius destroys the environment
[21:44] <aquarius> if it's not done in ten minutes or so, I'll resume tomorrow :)
[21:44] <hazmat> cheers
[21:45] <aquarius> marcoceppi, are you planning on pushing to the charm store soon? If not, can I use the github version of the charm directly? I'm happy to do whichever's convenient for you :)
[21:45] <marcoceppi> aquarius: let me test to make sure what I'm giving you works
[21:45] <marcoceppi> aquarius: spinning up on hp cloud atm
[22:01] <marcoceppi> aquarius: I'm getting a segfault in the charm now during install, poking now
[22:01] <aquarius> marcoceppi, this sounds like good progress, though! nice one :
[22:02] <aquarius> :)
[22:16] <aquarius> I have to go out, but I'll leave irc open if you want to drop comments in here, and thank you again!
[22:18] <marcoceppi> aquarius: np, still trying to figure out why rvm is segfaulting
[22:23] <marcoceppi> aquarius: okay, figured it out. Moving on to the rest of the charm for testing


[02:14] <tizz> ah ha!
[03:12] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[03:12] <ramprasadgk> someone pls take a look
[03:20] <ramprasadgk> i am having terrible time with ubuntu
[03:20] <ramprasadgk> or rather broadcom wireless on ubuntu
[03:22] <v1adimir> sry no wireless here
[03:23] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[03:23] <v1adimir> uhh 'here' as in @ my box :s
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> got it
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> thats okay...109 people in room :)
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> sorry 108 who might have wirell
[03:28] <ramprasadgk> wireless*
[03:28] <ramprasadgk> where are you from.? what time is it there.. its a lovely morning here
[03:29] <v1adimir> it's gonna be morning in belgrade real soon hehe
[03:30] <ramprasadgk> thats good
[03:31] <ramprasadgk> whats new
[03:31] <ramprasadgk> why do use *buntu
[03:32] <v1adimir> i'm still exploring it, but 12.04 is the first distro that installed with no problems and did what i needed + the firewall :)
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> ok..
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> NO problems is good thing
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> welll btw, if you can let me know
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> where can i downlaod package to install vlc
[03:33] <v1adimir> i ran fedora for a long time (long ago) and got (very) fed up with it :s
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> i have this link http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vlc
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> but you know i dont have info on diff versions of *buntu
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> fed up..?
[03:35] <v1adimir> yea pretty much sick of it
[03:35] <v1adimir> =)
[03:35] <ramprasadgk> i use GNU Linux, i built it from core
[03:35] <v1adimir> vlc is in the software center, but you can get it @ http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[03:35] <v1adimir> oic hm
[03:36] <ramprasadgk> firstly i dont have internet on my linux box, if i have to do  i need to download from my other windows system and install
[03:38] <v1adimir> not sure for custom builds, but you could try a repo like https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/master-daily
[03:38] <v1adimir> (except idk what the stable one is)
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> ok thanks
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> i have this parole
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> it does require lot of codecs decoders
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> cant find one
[03:40] <ramprasadgk> there is no one place to get them
[03:40] <v1adimir> yeah it sucks :)
[03:40] <ramprasadgk> so i decided to for vlc
[03:40] <v1adimir> audacious and vlc are like the first things i install
[03:43] <ramprasadgk> oh well
[03:43] <ramprasadgk> custom building vlc is ugly
[03:44] <ramprasadgk> how abt audacious is there any neat manual download install
[03:44] <v1adimir> not sure :S
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> i dint get nay help here
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> but havent lost hope
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> asking one more Q
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:34] <ramprasadgk> i ahve got latest xubuntu installed , which one to install from the list in the link to play mp3 files?
[04:34] <ramprasadgk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:54] <ramprasadgk> this chaneel is dead
[05:54] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[06:33] <XATRIX> hi guys, i have a problem with changing my keyboard layouts, i set "Change Keyboard layout" to Ctrl+shift in panel applet, and it works, but after i reboot my machine, it switches back to Alt+Shift... How can i make it remember my shortcut ?
[09:15] <xubuntu854> hello
[09:15] <knome> hullo
[09:17] <XATRIX> hi guys, i have a problem with changing my keyboard layouts, i set "Change Keyboard layout" to Ctrl+shift in panel applet, and it works, but after i reboot my machine, it switches back to Alt+Shift... How can i make it remember my shortcut ?
[09:41] <wcapio> hi guys, xdfe puts the file names on my desktop in a little rounded corner block... how can I switch that off?
[09:41] <TheSheep> wcapio: what is xdfe?
[09:42] <wcapio> xubuntu desktop manager, not? owww i mean xfce
[09:42] <wcapio> :| sry
[09:42] <Mathias> :P
[09:43] <wcapio> do you guys know what I mean or should I rephrase?
[09:55] <TheSheep> wcapio: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/howto-remove-the-borders-of-your-desktop-icon-text/
[10:01] <wcapio> tnx
[10:01] <wcapio> does xubuntu 12.04 have gtk2, though?
[12:14] <XATRIX> is it possible to install and use "yum" instead of apt-get ?
[12:15] <marky_boi> hi people , having issues getting VBoxClient to run at startup, where would be best to start ?
[12:18] <recon_tv> XATRIX: I don't think so, probably break loads of things. the packet manager would be a core app
[12:23] <recon_tv> XATRIX: why would you want to change it?
[12:24] <marky_boi> @ dr_willis sent a PM
[12:29] <XATRIX> recon_tv, just familliar to yum
[12:29] <XATRIX> was curious is is possible to use it
[12:30] <recon_tv> XATRIX: well it's pretty easy to use apt-get, if you have questions just ask here :)
[12:34] <recon_tv> markky_boi: have a look at http://www.linuxhomeserverguide.com/server-config/phpVirtualBox.php , but since you dont know how to wait I guess you'll miss this lol
[12:36] <recon_tv> XATRIX: just remember that apt-get is .deb based and yun is .rpm based , they dont mix
[13:38] <jrmy> I'm not able to get to my login screen
[13:38] <jrmy> good thing I know about irssi
[13:39] <holstein> so, you can login just fine then... what about starting x from the command line? do you get any errors?
[13:39] <jrmy> I'd copy my boot screen but I have no idea how
[13:39] <jrmy> it does fail on one of them
[13:39] <jrmy> don't know how to start x
[13:39] <jrmy> and I thought it was called xorg
[13:40] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/startx.1.html
[13:41] <jrmy> how do you load a webpage without a gui?
[13:41] <jrmy> but no it does not boot properly
[13:41] <recon_tv> jrmy: just type startx on the commandline
[13:41] <holstein> jrmy: well, you could do it in a curses web browser.. but you could also ask 'how do i start x' and i would say .. type startx
[13:42] <jrmy> it trys and goes to tty1.. instead of the login screen
[13:42] <holstein> you'll be interested in the errors after you type "startx" and hit enter
[13:42] <recon_tv> jrmy have you changed anything recently, did it work before?
[13:43] <holstein> i usually try booting the last kernel that worked well, if this is after a system upgrade
[13:43] <recon_tv> yep, was a kernel update yesterday
[13:44] <jrmy> that made me freeze
[13:45] <jrmy> but yes it would appear that it isn'r working
[13:45] <holstein> jrmy: startx? or the earlier kernel?
[13:45] <jrmy> I think the time I restarted my computer mid boot 'cause the problem
[13:45] <holstein> jrmy: it being, startx to start the gui isnt working?
[13:45] <jrmy> this is what is crashing
[13:46] <jrmy> caused*
[13:46] <jrmy> yes x is crashing for some reason
[13:46] <recon_tv> jrmy: I would be surprised if stopping a boot would cause these problems
[13:46] <jrmy> kind of a noob here...
[13:46] <recon_tv> jrmy: I take it you could log in yesterday?
[13:46] <jrmy> I hit my restart button on my case
[13:46] <jrmy> hard reset*
[13:47] <holstein> i would do an fsck if i thought forcing rebooting had damaged the filesystem
[13:47] <jrmy> last time wa the last time I could login no prob
[13:47] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1980351 suggests sudo touch /forcefsck to get fsck on reboot
[13:47] <recon_tv> jrmy: did you install updates ?
[13:47] <jrmy> yeah recently
[13:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: do you know if you use property video drivers?
[13:48] <jrmy> yes
[13:48] <jrmy> which work
[13:48] <holstein> an upgrade could have broken that... and you could try the last kerne easy enough jrmy
[13:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: I guess that new kernel + property video driver = broken login
[13:48] <jrmy> perhaps
[13:49] <holstein> i would just boot the last kernel and confirm that in a few seconds
[13:49] <jrmy> but without a real diagnostic we won't know what the problem is
[13:49] <jrmy> how do I do this anyways?
[13:49] <holstein> jrmy: that would be quite diagnostic.. reboot with the older kernel.. if it boots, you know its likely the kernel upgrade
[13:49] <holstein> jrmy: this? boot the older kernel?
[13:50] <jrmy> I did have the problem before hand though
[13:50] <jrmy> but I leave my computer on almost all the time
[13:50] <jrmy> so.. I do what now?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: before what?
[13:51] <jrmy> I also have a dual boot setup with windows 7
[13:51] <recon_tv> what key gets the boot menu up?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: i would boot the older kernel
[13:51] <jrmy> is it in the boot menu?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: it being the kernel?
[13:52] <jrmy> I hope we both assume we're talking about the same thing, that being the kernel
[13:52] <holstein> jrmy: i would like to assume nothing
[13:52] <holstein> jrmy: i want to test and know waht "it" is..
[13:53] <holstein> the grub menu will show the kernels.. you will see the older ones under the "previous" entry listed there
[13:53] <jrmy> then "it" is nothing based on that statement as I'm only referring to what you might be talking about
[13:53] <holstein> you should see the lates kernel.. and the recovery version under that.. then, right under that you'll see "previous"
[13:53] <holstein> you'll find the last kernel that worked there
[13:53] <jrmy> ok
[13:54] <jrmy> brb
[13:54] <recon_tv> jrmy: any if it does work, change back to the standard drivers
[13:58] <jrmy> guess the new kernel is incompatible
[13:58] <recon_tv> jrmy: switch back to the standard video drivers would be a start
[13:59] <recon_tv> jrmy: I assume you got to login with the older kernel
[13:59] <jrmy> yes
[13:59] <jrmy> how do I use default drivers?
[13:59] <jrmy> not that I want to...
[14:00] <jrmy> I much rather need them to play minecraft
[14:01] <recon_tv> jrmy: Menu-> settings -> additional drivers
[14:01] <jrmy> hah, ya know, if I knew how to revert to the old drivers I could of saved reinstalling my os all those times
[14:02] <jrmy> is there perhaps updated drivers or does it always update?
[14:03] <jrmy> I know amd updates ccc everynow and then
[14:03] <jrmy> well catalyst rather
[14:03] <recon_tv> jrmy: maybe, I'd set it to the standard ones first and try reboot just to make sure they are working, if that works you could try the property drives again
[14:04] <jrmy> not sure if you're typoing or not
[14:04] <jrmy> propietary
[14:04] <recon_tv> :-[
[14:05] <jrmy> but anyways, I'll try removing the drivers booting with the updated kernel and reinstalling the drivers
[14:05] <jrmy> is there a way to remove them from the shell?
[14:05] <jrmy> I'd rather not reinstall again.. that's just idiotic
[14:06] <recon_tv> jrmy: one step at a time
[14:07] <jrmy> sorry I just find all the bs I have to go through with linux and trying to fix it all a little overwhelming
[14:07] <jrmy> I'd rather have more knowledge
[14:07] <recon_tv> jrmy: it's the same with all computers :)
[14:07] <jrmy> I'm much more accustomed to windows
[14:07] <jrmy> easy street there
[14:08] <jrmy> well brb
[14:13] <jrmy> ok so propietary drivers are a no go from this current look out
[14:14] <jrmy> but then again.. maybe it could be something else
[14:14] <recon_tv> o well, how is mine craft doing in the open drivers?
[14:14] <jrmy> I hardly feel it worth not using my 1GB video card
[14:14] <jrmy> all of*
[14:15] <jrmy> lets see
[14:16] <recon_tv> jrmy: the problem is with the video card producers, if they cared a little more about their uses the drivers would work on all systems
[14:16] <recon_tv> users*
[14:18] <recon_tv> just keep that in you mind next time you buy a computer :)
[14:18] <jrmy> for one it won't even let me play in fullscreen
[14:18] <jrmy> nor can I use the resoultion 720p
[14:18] <jrmy> buy... or build
[14:19] <jrmy> I bought amd based parts
[14:19] <jrmy> haven't checked the fps though
[14:19] <recon_tv> jrmy: what video card you got? probably just have to file a bug report and watch it being ignored by amd
[14:20] <jrmy> HD 5770
[14:21] <jrmy> yeah I get half fps without the drivers
[14:21] <jrmy> I'd rather play on windows again at this point
[14:21] <jrmy> sucks I didn;t grow up with linux
[14:21] <jrmy> I would of much rather
[14:22] <recon_tv> when did you last update your drivers, seems the last Catalyst release was 8/15/2012
[14:23] <jrmy> heck if I know
[14:23] <jrmy> probably a few months ago
[14:23] <jrmy> maybe half a year back?
[14:23] <jrmy> I set up a dual boot.. and didn't really do anythign with my distro
[14:24] <jrmy> thought I'd give linux another go. got bored with it.. and I decided to come back as the only game I was playing any more was minecraft. so I figured what was the point of using windows?
[14:25] <jrmy> but, once again I get problems left and right
[14:25] <recon_tv> jrmy: so what OS do you want to use?
[14:25] <jrmy> seems whenever I want to customize things I get problems.. idk mayeb xubuntu isn't the distro for me
[14:25] <jrmy> linux
[14:26] <jrmy> I'm tired of windows..
[14:26] <recon_tv> jrmy: well, when you go custom the learning starts :) the price of freedom
[14:27] <jrmy> I just preferred xubuntu because I like using the shell and xfce's shell looks cooler
[14:27] <jrmy> more customizable too
[14:27] <jrmy> or at least it is on xubuntu
[14:27] <jrmy> that and I like the look and feel over gnome
[14:28] <jrmy> but road blocks show up as the manpages for ubuntu don't always help me with xubuntu.. I assume it's the enviroment difference
[14:28] <recon_tv> jrmy: well the video card problems would have hit in any distro
[14:28] <jrmy> or whatever xfce and gnome are called
[14:29] <jrmy> about all I knw with the shell is a little bit on looking at directories, apt-get commands like install, update and upgrade, and how to use nano and irssi
[14:29] <jrmy> 'bout it
[14:30] <jrmy> well I found out how to play nethack with telnet.. but yeah
[14:30] <XATRIX> guys, how can i make my set my keyboard layout switch shortcut to ctrl+shift ?
[14:31] <jrmy> I think i'll try activating the drivers again.. and if it doesn't work again I'll repeat the last steps up till now.. bbl
[14:32] <XATRIX> every time i have to set it up to ctrl+shift again
[14:33] <XATRIX> it automatically set to Alt+shift
[14:35] <recon_tv> XATRIX: probably in setting manager somewhere, knowing that it's Alt+Shift as default helps, how do you change it ?
[14:39] <XATRIX> i'm changing via "Keyboard layouts" applet on my XFCE Panel
[14:40] <XATRIX> But it always reverts to default (Alt+shift) after i restart
[14:43] <recon_tv> XATRIX: have you opened the "keyboard input method" in "system settings", did it install the ibus deamon
[14:44] <jrmy> if I wanted to use an older kernel what would be the down sides?
[14:44] <recon_tv> jrmy: I'd suggest try installing the latested driver, and checking the does to see if it works with kernel 3.20-31
[14:44] <recon_tv> installing*/downloading
[14:45] <recon_tv> jrmy: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[14:45] <XATRIX> yes it wants to
[14:45] <XATRIX> but not installed yet
[14:45] <recon_tv> XATRIX: so let it
[14:46] <jrmy> a link isn't very useful atm.. I'm currently in the test of the new kernel with the propietary drivers.. which it did not work
[14:46] <recon_tv> XATRIX: actually I just guessing here, but I think this is the answer
[14:46] <jarnos> Firefox is soo slow in my computer. X takes a lot of CPU in normal use.
[14:47] <recon_tv> jrmy: well you'll have to use the standard driver till you find a update that works
[14:47] <jarnos> In 11.04 chromium used to work fast, but in later releases it keeps crashing.
[14:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: so check what version of catalyst you got now again the latest version
[14:48] <jarnos> What is wrong? Is my hardware unsupported?
[14:49] <recon_tv> against*
[14:49] <xubuntu239> Hello, can someone tell me where I can find configuration files for Xubuntu-desktop ? The program associated with hyperlinks is wrong and I want to change it. Thank you.
[14:50] <recon_tv> XATRIX: did that help any?
[14:50] <jrmy> recon_tv: how do I check with a command?
[14:52] <recon_tv> jrmy: I don't have any property drivers so can't really guide you, i'd expect it to be shown in "addition drivers"
[14:53] <jrmy> I don't have a gui to use atm
[14:53] <recon_tv> jrmy: it'd be quicker for you to boot back into last know kernel, switch to open driver and reboot
[14:54] <XATRIX> recon_tv, no idea... it just started a new tray icon, i put a setting to , maybe next time i reboot i will see it
[14:55] <recon_tv> XATRIX: sure, wont know till you reboot, but I have hi hopes :)
[14:55] <recon_tv> high*
[14:56] <XATRIX> )
[14:57] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: have a look for xubuntu-default-settings , probably a hidden file in you home dir
[15:00] <xubuntu239> recon_tv: Ok, I will look at files of this package.
[15:01] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: it's not a package, it's a setting file on you harddrive
[15:01] <recon_tv> jarnos: what hardware are you using, ubuntu version ect
[15:03] <recon_tv> afk of a bit. :)
[15:03] <jarnos> recon_tv, 12.04 (upgraded from 11.10), Some AMD Athlon XP CPU, VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)
[15:06] <xubuntu239> recon_tv: I have a package with that name installed, but no file...
[15:09] <drc> xubuntu239: App Menu>Settings>Preferred Settings
[15:09] <drc> er...Preferred Applications...sorry
[15:10] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:11] <ramprasadgk> can someone have sol for my wireless problem
[15:12] <ramprasadgk> everything seems ok , but no wlan0 device on ifconfig
[15:12] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:13] <xubuntu239> drc: The problme is that I have a lot of bad stuff in the list proposed in Settings>Preferred Settings and I want to edit this list. But I don't know where it is stored.
[15:15] <drc> xubuntu239: " I have a lot of bad stuff in the list...."  There are only 4 items there, what's the problem?
[15:17] <xubuntu239> drc: I have add more items and several have the same name, it is a big mess. I just want to clean up and keep the good one.
[15:20] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: in file manager, go into the view menu as check "show hidden files" then open your home folder and look in .config
[15:20] <drc> xubuntu239:  Take a look at ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc
[15:21] <recon_tv> found my hat and am off for my walk, good luck , bbl
[15:26] <XATRIX> recon_tv, just did reboot, seems like it's working ;) thanks
[15:28] <jrmy> ok so I installed the latest drivers from amd's website using a guide I googled
[15:28] <jrmy> which is fine but I really don't know much about the commands
[15:28] <jrmy> and it works with the current kernel
[15:29] <jrmy> I howeever don't even know how to access the control center as an administrator.. just clicking it in the menuy don't work.. and apparently amdcccle isn't the command
[15:29] <jrmy> I noticed this sh command which I might want to know more about but whatever
[15:29] <jrmy> anyways.. prob solved.. thanks for the help
[15:30] <bricot> hi, thunar 1.2.3 (xubuntu 12.04) does not show any files from my home dir: »/home/bricot/.gvfs«: socket not connected. What's wrong?
[15:34] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <knome> ramprasadgk, stop repeating
[15:40] <ramprasadgk> i read soemwhere world's most active open source irc is *ubuntu
[15:40] <ramprasadgk> this channel sucks
[15:41] <knome> !attitude | ramprasadgk
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> yes, ofcourse, i ahve been waiting since  3 days for workable soln
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> this is not the same as perlmonks.org
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> where i almost get reply instantly i provide soln too
[15:44] <knome> yes, but solutions aren't always available even if you waited three weeks
[15:44] <ramprasadgk> oh yeah than *ubuntu skz
[15:44] <knome> ramprasadgk, (x)ubuntu is not perl
[15:44] <knome> ramprasadgk, fix your attitude or i'll have to remove you from the channel
[15:45] <ramprasadgk> oh yeah.. doent matter
[15:45] <ramprasadgk> doesn't*
[15:45] <knome> irc isn't the only method to get help, see: http://xubuntu.org/help/
[15:45] <knome> very well, noted.
[15:46] <ramprasadgk> i have queried on all forums
[15:46] <ramprasadgk> but no reply
[15:54] <bricot> My problem seems to be the same as in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/754618
[15:55] <bricot> Are there any workarounds?
[15:57] <xubuntu159> salut
[15:59] <xubuntu159> hello
[15:59] <recon_tv> !hi | xubuntu159
[16:07] <recon_tv> bricot: have you considered using nautilus till the bug gets fixed?
[16:13] <bricot> Yes I do. I'm also successful to do: sudo umount /home/bricot/.gvfs
[16:14] <bricot> But the problem is not all my users are able to do that.
[16:16] <bricot> This bug seems to be over a year old. That's why I'm asking for a better workaround, or better, a solution for maybe 12.10.
[16:20] <recon_tv> bricot: I hear you, but the bug only just got confirmed status. bit passed me though. I was wary of encrypted home folders even given my high level of paranoia :)
[16:20] <recon_tv> bricot: car you reproduce it ?
[16:20] <recon_tv> car/can*
[16:23] <bricot> All I can say at the moment is that it happens from time to time. So my answer is no unfortunately. I'm not sure what triggers this issue.
[16:24] <recon_tv> bricot: try logout and back in again, no reboot
[16:25] <bricot> That didn't help, but unmounting did (following the bug report). I just had to restart Thunar to see my home directory.
[16:26] <recon_tv> bricot: I want to see if we can produce the bug on demand, only way a fix is likely if we can reproduce the bug on demand
[16:26] <bricot> recon_tv: I agree.
[16:30] <recon_tv> bricot: the trigger described is to logout to gdm and back in again, does that reproduce the bug?
[16:32] <bricot> recon_tv: I'll leave know and try it out. Unfortunately I'm a Ubuntu convert and switched back to lightdm, because I don't like gdm. But I have another netbook with gdm in place. I'll be back soon.
[16:33] <recon_tv> bricot: well, just try it on the system that you having the issue on, I only said gdm because thats what the report said
[16:43] <bricot> recon_tv: I can reproduce that bug: every *second* login on that machine with the encrypted home (lightdm, 64-bit). My netbook does not show this bug (Plain Xubuntu with gdm, no encrypted home, 32-bit). Both 12.04.
[16:44] <recon_tv> bricot: on the machine you can reproduce it on, is the home dir on a different partition to the root
[16:45] <bricot> recon_tv: no.
[16:48] <recon_tv> bricot: well, now that you can reproduce it I suggest you add your findings to the bug report with all the software and version numbers etc , then try get some interest from the ubuntu+1 and xubuntu+1 channels.
[16:49] <bricot> recon_tv: ok, I'll try.
[16:49] <recon_tv> bricot: sorry but this is as far as my knowledge can get us :)
[16:50] <bricot> recon_tv: thanks anyway!
[17:11] <snikendei> haha... så ProjectX, nettopp. Måtte se den etter episoden i nederland. Dette må prøves! Noe som har ett hus og låne bort? =)
[17:12] <snikendei> obs. wrong place
[17:14] <Mathias> snikendei: lol :P
[19:06] <Gimpette> Two fold question, please:  I know how to install fonts to Gimp.  What I don't know is where the gazillion and half system (?) fonts that show up on my Gimp font list came from or how to go about safely removing them; if not from the system at least from my list of fonts in Gimp.  I don't want to have to scroll through a few hundred fonts I don't want in order to get to the ones I do.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!
[19:08] <knome> Gimpette, it should be safe to remove if you don't need them, eg. if they're not used in the interface, or you don't need other than western/korean/etc fonts
[19:09] <Gimpette> Is there a way that I can just remove them from the Gimp list so that I don't risk screwing something up system-wise?
[19:10] <Gimpette> I didn't add any of them myself so I am assuming some interface or something somewhere must want them for them to have gotten on my machine in the first place.
[19:10] <knome> hmm, i'm not sure - i afraif not
[19:11] <knome> nope, xubuntu has quite a lot of fonts installed by default for convenience for non-western users
[19:13] <Gimpette> Do you know of a list anywhere that specifically states which fonts are safe to remove and which aren't?  I know you mentioned some, but I don't know which fonts are used in interfaces and which aren't.
[19:22] <knome> Gimpette, see apps -> settings -> settings manager -> appearance -> tab fonts
[19:23] <knome> and ... settings manager -> window manager -> tab style (title font)
[19:23] <knome> those are the ones you don't want to remove
[19:23] <knome> afaik others are safe to remove
[19:24] <knome> well, you probably don't want to remove all serif fonts, all monospace fonts etc..., but there's no reason why you couldn't remove any
[19:24] <knome> and if something seems to break, you can always revert and reintroduce the fonts you need
[19:37] <Gimpette> Ok, those are set to sans and sans bold respectively.  There is a font manager somewhere for easy removal, isn't there?
[19:39] <knome> no, at least not installed by default
[19:39] <knome> oh, and you don't want to remove the default terminal font either.
[19:42] <Gimpette> Ok, thanks much for the help.  I see that I previously installed Fontmatrix but it looked rather too complicated for the time I had available to devote to figuring it out so I just left it.  I guess I'll just have to knuckle down and look at it again.  Thanks.
[19:42] <Gimpette> Where can I find out which font is the default for the terminal, do you know?
[19:57] <Marzata> Gimpette: we use Ubuntu Mono, coz renders zero and O differently
[20:03] <Gimpette> @Marzata:  Thanks, I'm fine with how everything is rendering now; I'd just like to take out the fonts I won't use in design projects without breaking anything.  Looking into a different font manager now.  This shouldn't be this complicated, I wonder why there isn't a simple one for idiots installed by default.  :)
[20:07] <knome> Marzata, who we?
[20:08] <knome> Gimpette, right-click terminal -> preferences -> tab appearance to check out the terminal font you are using
[20:10] <Gimpette> I don't have a preferences option when right clicking; only properties and tab appearance isn't there.  Maybe I'm not in the right place.  Will look some more.
[20:10] <knome> Gimpette, are you using xfce4-terminal?
[20:10] <Derpian> Hey, I try to change my full name in Users and Groups under System and it does not change at all
[20:10] <Gimpette> Found it!  Thanks!
[20:10] <knome> Gimpette, np
[20:12] <Gimpette> Have been trying out Font Manager and it appears to easily allow for reactivation so I'm going to try clearing that font list out some; thanks again!
[20:17] <Derpian> Fixed it, ran sudo usermod -c "NAME IN THE QUOTES" username
[20:34] <Guest26049> I'm trying to install Xubuntu with a LiveCD but it keeps failing to install the bootloader...
[20:35] <Guest26049> I thought /dev/sda would be it
[20:35] <Guest26049> /dev/sda2 is windows vista loader...if that's relevant
[20:40] <Guest26049> hello?
[20:40] <xubuntu850> Hello , I have a question concerning xubuntu-12.04.1, which I just installed,
[20:41] <Guest26049> I cannot install the bootloader, can anybody help?
[20:42] <mongy> Guest26049, what errors do you get.  and /dev/sda is correct.
[20:43] <Guest26049> I have a screenshot
[20:43] <Guest26049> how can I send it?
[20:44] <xubuntu850> The video,settings, when I installed it, it said it could not find the video type, and I was not sure what type I had, or to select. Is there a way to change this after the install, ? If so how.?
[20:44] <Guest26049> that will show you what I'm looking at
[20:44] <mongy> no dcc here.  use imgur or sometihng.
[20:45] <Guest26049> here
[20:45] <Guest26049> http://imgur.com/RM0XI,IRORD,KISLm
[20:46] <mongy> are you booted into the livecd now
[20:46] <Guest26049> yes
[20:48] <mongy> mount your xubuntu partition..  sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[20:49] <Guest26049> ok now what? do I run the install Xubuntu again?
[20:49] <mongy> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[20:50] <Guest26049> says installation finished. No error reported
[20:50] <Guest26049> should I be good to go?
[20:51] <mongy> hmm, ok try it.
[20:51] <mongy> run sudo update-grub once you booted into it, if it works.
[20:52] <Guest26049> into what?
[20:52] <Guest26049> linux?
[20:53] <Guest26049> or do I run it now?
[20:53] <Guest26049> in liveCD
[20:53] <mongy> sorry, yes, reboot and it 'should' load xubuntu by default.
[20:54] <Guest26049> ok but I'm dual booting, would I be able to boot into windows as well?
[20:54] <mongy> once you run sudo update-grub in the newly booted xubuntu
[20:54] <Guest26049> ok ill try it now
[20:54] <mongy> if all ese fails you can always use windows repair to repair.
[20:54] <mongy> ese=else.
[20:56] <xubuntu850> Hello ?, I have a question ,..
[20:57] <TheSheep> xubuntu850: shoot
[20:58] <xubuntu328> HI
[20:58] <xubuntu850> ok, I just installed xubuntu-12.04.1 on a very old computer, I did not get the settings for the screen correct,and am wondering if there is a way to change them after the install ?
[20:58] <xubuntu328> Xubuntu 12.04.1 is very easy to use
[20:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu850: settings->display
[20:58] <eddi3x3> I wasn't able to boot xubuntu
[20:59] <eddi3x3> -_-' I got the black screen with grub>
[21:00] <eddi3x3> so what's the grub command I need to execute to get xubuntu up and running
[21:00] <eddi3x3> it's on /dev/sda6 if I remember correctly
[21:00] <xubuntu850> Ok, So that is in the Settings > display,..thanks
[21:00] <mongy> eddi3x3, does fdisk report the active partition as sda6 ?
[21:00] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: how did you try to boot it?
[21:01] <mongy> marked with a *
[21:01] <eddi3x3> I'm not in linux right now
[21:01] <eddi3x3> I'm at the boot loader screen
[21:01] <eddi3x3> grub>
[21:02] <eddi3x3> that's all I get
[21:02] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: is that a usb pendrive?
[21:02] <eddi3x3> nope
[21:02] <eddi3x3> I took off the pendrive
[21:02] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: cd?
[21:02] <eddi3x3> to boot into the hard drive
[21:02] <mongy> boot live again, and pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and also sudo fdisk -l
[21:03] <TheSheep> do you have any message before the grub>?
[21:03] <eddi3x3> not really, just a welcoming bootloader
[21:03] <mongy> TheSheep, he had bootloader install error after install, and I got him to run grub-install manually, without error...
[21:04] <mongy> TheSheep, so must be something small stopping it, like active partition or grub.cfg maybe
[21:04] <TheSheep> OK, sorry, I won't butt in
[21:04] <eddi3x3> I well I ran the live CD and I clicked
[21:04] <eddi3x3> "boot from first hard drive
[21:04] <eddi3x3> looks like it found the xubuntu partition
[21:05] <eddi3x3> I can ls and I see /dev /home /etc/
[21:05] <eddi3x3> all that good stuff
[21:05] <mongy> TheSheep, go ahead.. I've got to head out soon.
[21:05] <TheSheep> mongy: I have to go to bed
[21:06] <eddi3x3> rebooting now o.o I hope I'm not left alone
[21:06] <mongy> eddi3x3, ok
[21:07] <eddi3x3> im in liveCD now
[21:07] <mongy> Im not really a grub guy.  I'm syslinux
[21:07] <mongy> eddi3x3, mount your root/boot partition then...
[21:07] <eddi3x3> mount /boot?
[21:07] <mongy> pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[21:08] <mongy> eddi3x3, since you only have 1, it's root.  sda6
[21:08] <eddi3x3> says cannot open /dev/sda
[21:09] <mongy> odd.
[21:09] <mongy> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[21:09] <mongy> sudo fdisk -l
[21:10] <eddi3x3> ok that worked
[21:10] <eddi3x3> I got a star next to /dev/sda2
[21:10] <mongy> ok sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[21:11] <mongy> I think it's 'a' to set bootable
[21:11] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:11] <mongy> set it to the relevant xubuntu
[21:11] <eddi3x3> now what?
[21:11] <mongy> 'w' to write
[21:12] <eddi3x3> which partition?
[21:12] <eddi3x3> sda6
[21:12] <mongy> yes
[21:12] <mongy> I would have thought grub would have set it when installing.. hmm
[21:12] <eddi3x3> then what?
[21:12] <eddi3x3> type w?
[21:12] <mongy> can you paste your /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:12] <mongy> yes
[21:12] <mongy> w should write and exit disk
[21:12] <mongy> fdisk
[21:13] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:13] <eddi3x3> now I have 2 stars
[21:13] <eddi3x3> one in sda2 and another in sda6
[21:14] <mongy> ok, back into fdisk lol
[21:14] <mongy> 'a' to unset bootable from sda2
[21:14] <mongy> 'w'
[21:15] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:15] <eddi3x3> now only /dev/sda6 has a star
[21:15] <eddi3x3> /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't exist
[21:15] <mongy> can you paste your /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:16] <eddi3x3> wait
[21:16] <eddi3x3> yea
[21:16] <eddi3x3> grub.cfg is no where to be found
[21:17] <eddi3x3> but the directory is there in liveCD
[21:17] <eddi3x3> well actually hard drive
[21:17] <eddi3x3> since we mounted it to /mnt
[21:17] <mongy> hmm.
[21:17] <mongy> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda                   again
[21:17] <mongy> ah.. I wonder if grub package is installed.......
[21:18] <eddi3x3> installation finished
[21:18] <eddi3x3> should I check if grub is installed or something?
[21:18] <mongy> is there a grub.cfg now?
[21:18] <eddi3x3> still have no grub.cfg
[21:18] <mongy> sorry..
[21:18] <mongy> erm...
[21:19] <mongy> there probably won't be until you update grub
[21:19] <mongy> right... try reboot see what happens.
[21:19] <eddi3x3> so what do I have to do?
[21:19] <eddi3x3> how do I update it?
[21:19] <eddi3x3> okey dokey
[21:19] <eddi3x3> reboot I shall
[21:20] <mongy> out of curious, what does your fstab say?
[21:20] <mongy> sorry, /mnt/etc/fstab
[21:20] <eddi3x3> opps
[21:20] <eddi3x3> I already rebooted
[21:20] <eddi3x3> =-/
[21:20] <eddi3x3> I'm back to grub command line
[21:21] <mongy> back to livecd then
[21:21] <eddi3x3> can't I just boot the kernel from here?
[21:21] <mongy> a chroot it is then....
[21:22] <mongy> eddi3x3, maybe could, but I'm not really a grub, or even xubuntu guy.. I just hang around still from where I did.
[21:22] <eddi3x3> well first I need to know where the kernel is
[21:23] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:23] <eddi3x3> liveCD it is
[21:24] <mongy> eddi3x3, this problem isn't strictly xubuntu, so you could ask in #ubuntu.
[21:25] <mongy> anyway... here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[21:26] <mongy> mount your partition and go from step 8
[21:26] <mongy> you could apt-get install grub2 or is it grub-pc in ubuntu ( i dunno) to make sure it's installed properly at least.. then run install and update commands.
[21:29] <eddi3x3> wait
[21:29] <eddi3x3> what?
[21:30] <eddi3x3> fstab only has 2 things
[21:30] <eddi3x3> ext4 partition and swap
[21:30] <mongy> sounds right...   point to sda6?
[21:31] <mongy> well, will point to UUID but will say 'was on sda6'
[21:32] <eddi3x3> I don't see sda6
[21:32] <eddi3x3> anywhere
[21:35] <mongy> hmm
[21:35] <mongy> paste it
[21:35] <mongy> that could stop it booting if configured wrong.
[21:35] <mongy> well, it will, lol.
[21:38] <eddi3x3> give me a second here
[21:40] <eddi3x3> ok I am chrooted
[21:41] <mongy> I'm sorry dude, can you head into #ubuntu, I'm sure someone will have your back, it's a grub issue, not xubuntu... I have to head out.
[21:41] <eddi3x3> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda gave me an error
[21:41] <eddi3x3> gave me cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[21:42] <mongy> is sda6 mounted?
[21:42] <mongy> did you do for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[21:42] <mongy> then sudo chroot /mnt
[21:42] <mongy> I see someone got this.. :)
[22:22] <eduardo> how can I make a launcher for gnumeric so it launches a specific file when you click on it?
[22:24] <GridCube> eduardo, add a new custom launcher
[22:24] <GridCube> and put it like gnumeric /path/to/file
[22:27] <eduardo> but what if the directory has a space between names?
[22:27] <eduardo> like Google Drive
[22:28] <eduardo> it doesn't find that directory
[22:28] <knome> eduardo, gnumeric "/path/to/file with spaces"
[22:28] <eduardo> Google_Drive doesn't work either
[22:28] <eduardo> for example
[22:29] <eduardo> gnumeric %U /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google Drive/LIMO RESERVATIONS
[22:29] <erkan^> ubottu,
[22:29] <eduardo> doesn't work
[22:29] <erkan^> !ubottu Quarel
[22:29] <GridCube> quarel?
[22:29] <GridCube> !info quarel
[22:29] <eduardo> it thinks it's 2 different directories
[22:29] <GridCube> eduardo, you are trying to pass an empty space
[22:30] <erkan^> oesp
[22:30] <erkan^> !ubottu quantal
[22:30] <GridCube> use "" to encapsulate the path or use /Google\ Drive/
[22:30] <GridCube> !quantal
[22:32] <GridCube> eduardo, also check that all directories have the proper cases, maybe its not "Users" but "users" those are two different directories
[22:33] <eduardo> this is what I have
[22:33] <eduardo> gnumeric /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google\ Drive/LIMO\ RESERVATIONS.xls
[22:33] <eduardo> and it won't recognize it
[22:34] <eduardo> gnumeric /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google\ Drive/LIMO\ RESERVATIONS says unsupported format
[22:34] <eduardo> but if I open it in gnumeric, it works just fine
[22:34] <eduardo> this is the full path
[22:35] <GridCube> make a shortcut to the desktop, dragand drop the file to the desktop with the right clic, create a link
[22:35] <GridCube> drag the link to the panel
[22:36] <eduardo> what?
[22:37] <GridCube> no i tried that and it didnt work
[22:38] <eduardo> i know right?
[22:39] <GridCube> eduardo, this works, right clic the file you want to open, go to send to: and create a link on the desktop
[22:39] <eduardo> i did that
[22:39] <GridCube> move the shortcut to your home
[22:39] <eduardo> and it didn't work either
[22:39] <eduardo> wait create a link to desktop, like my linux desktop
[22:39] <eduardo> and THEN move it to home
[22:39] <eduardo> and then back to desktop?
[22:40] <xubuntu205> hi
[22:41] <xubuntu205> I installed xubuntu 12.04 with encrypted home
[22:41] <GridCube> and create a launcher that calls it, like "gnumeric /home/name/link.xls"
[22:41] <GridCube> it will open the symlink
[22:41] <GridCube> but that will point to the original file anyway
[22:43] <xubuntu205> if I login as guest the desktop load immediately but if I use my profile I must wait 90 seconds unitl the desktop is loading
[22:44] <GridCube> thats the encryption i would guess
[22:44] <xubuntu205> it is a core2duo 2Ghz
[22:45] <xubuntu205> why does it take so long?
[22:45] <xubuntu205> could I fix that, without deactivating encryption?
[22:46] <eduardo> got it working
[22:46] <eduardo> thanks
[22:49] <Tsavo> SSH into a fresh install of Xubuntu (12.04.1) suddenly having the Connection closed. -v flag reveals: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1213903/  usual fixes involving /etc/hosts aren't working
[22:49] <Tsavo> oops sorry
[23:06] <xubuntu205> does anyone know something I can try? is this an xfce problem?
[23:23] <xubuntu205> hm...


[00:10] <sakrecoer> i wish i knew who to put the love i have init..
[00:10] <sakrecoer> how even..
[00:10] <sakrecoer> damn it
[00:11] <sakrecoer> knew how to maintain such thing..
[00:12] <OvenWerks> You'll learn...
[00:13] <sakrecoer> :)
[00:13] <sakrecoer> i certainly intend to.
[17:19] <OvenWerks> Re: Bug #1561164
[17:20] <OvenWerks> I do not have this problem. Booted live, context menu from desktop icone for install->execute.
[17:21] <OvenWerks> *icon
[17:24] <flocculant> OvenWerks: call it incomplete ask them to confirm from an up to date iso - there was a ubiquity change in between bug and now
[17:26] <OvenWerks> flocculant: done
[17:27] <flocculant> OvenWerks: my guess "in 59 days it WILL expire" :p
[17:27] <OvenWerks> :)
[17:29] <OvenWerks> funny that it is bugged against -controls...
[17:31] <flocculant> people do the strangest things
[17:31] <flocculant> I changed it to ubiquity
[17:31] <OvenWerks> Thanks.
[17:32] <flocculant> probably an odd dupe of bug 1560459 which affected everyone
[17:32] <OvenWerks> I must have missed that one.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> (my ISO required over 50% zsync)
[17:33] <flocculant> OvenWerks: there were no reports from studio beforre the iso was rebuilt
[17:33] <flocculant> yea I remember seeing that :)
[17:33] <OvenWerks> I think I DL before that, but my last install was 32bit.
[17:34] <flocculant> right
[17:35] <OvenWerks> I am pretty much ready to switch my daily use to 16.04 now. I will have to install a pile of sw though for dev work.
[17:35] <flocculant> :)
[17:36] <OvenWerks> Also all the desktop stuff we lost sinse 14.04
[17:36] <flocculant> don't know about studio - I don't use it - but everything I use works still here
[17:38] <OvenWerks> We are now missing synaptic, gparted, audacious, a good irc client, whatever else.
[17:42] <flocculant> I guess synaptic and xchat loss came via us
[17:43] <flocculant> never installed one of the *buntus which had gparted installed
[17:43] <flocculant> always available on live - always had to install it
[17:47] <OvenWerks> we used to have it on the iso, lots of art driven people add drives for speed/separation or whatever.
[17:47] <OvenWerks> it used to be the thing to do with a daw to have samples, recording and OS on different disks.
[18:02] <flocculant> OvenWerks: you don't have it on the iso?
[18:02] <flocculant> afaik everyone has it on the iso
[18:02] <flocculant> I guess you could add it to the install - no idea about that
[18:20] <OvenWerks> flocculant: maybe it is on the ISO, but installed.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> I noticed it missing while playing with the installed version.


[14:38] <vish> hmm , this page shows white text on an off-white background http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free
[14:38] <vish> is it just me ?  o.0
[14:39] <vish> mat_t: ^
[14:42] <zniavre> vish,  it wrong color for me too
[14:42] <zniavre> it's*
[14:42] <zniavre> it need to be selected to be readable
[14:42] <vish> yeah , me too
[14:42] <zniavre> launchpad bug report ?
[14:43] <vish> zniavre: havent filed one.. yet , not sure where to file it either.. hence pinged mat_t  ;p
[14:44] <zniavre> :o) ok im sure you can manage better than me to do this
[14:44] <vish> looks like we dont want others to know why/how is free ;)
[14:44] <zniavre> éééé
[15:18] <vish> zniavre:  Bug #585873 :)
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585873 in ubuntu-website "Page http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free is unreadable (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585873
[15:30] <vish> *sigh* we are stuck with ugly redirect header :/  Bug #585879
[15:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585879 in ubuntu-website "Link for artwork team is a redirect link , use the correct link instead (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585879
[17:37] <mat_t> vish: hmm, you should never see this page like that - this is an overlay
[17:37] <mat_t> vish: go to homepage and click "how can it be free"
[17:38]  * mat_t hates external suppliers who mess up their code
[17:49]  * thorwil just created a duplicate bug report because there is "Ubuntu Website Content" and "Ubuntu Website Product"
[17:49] <knome> hah
[17:49] <thorwil> mat_t: cool. disable javascript and its back to white on light gray on its own page
[17:51] <mat_t> thorwil: right, crappy implementation then. Thanks for letting us know
[17:51] <mat_t> :)
[17:53]  * mat_t wonders who on earth would switch off JS these days
[17:54] <mat_t> (apart from everyone on this channel)
[17:54] <thorwil> everyone who knows that some sites become more bearable without ;)
[17:54] <mat_t> ;)
[18:04] <vish> mat_t: thats weird , it works as an overlay on the homepage
[18:04]  * vish tries to recall how he got there
[18:05] <vish> mat_t: oh , i opened it in a new tab instead of just clicking on it ;p
[18:06] <mat_t> vish: ah-ha, good one
[18:06] <mat_t> needs fixing then
[18:07] <mat_t> as does 1353 other things :/
[18:08]  * mat_t goes home to get drunk
[19:58] <thorwil> new canonical footwear: http://chzifshoescouldkill.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129181529806550282.jpg
[19:58] <knome> lol
[20:02] <zniavre> :o)


[09:28] <dholbach> gooood morning
[09:29] <Treenaks> morning dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> hai Treenaks
[04:41] <dholbach> hi
[04:42] <dholbach> there's no meeting today, is there?
[04:42] <Kamion> don't believe so
[04:43] <dholbach> ok... so i can safely head into the city and won't miss advocating new MOTUs :-)
[04:43] <dholbach> thanks Kamion
[04:45] <dholbach> *wave*


[18:42] <AlanBell> 83 people in that channel and one op in the access list along with ubuntuirccouncil
[18:44] <IdleOne> you might want to add a few :)
[18:44] <AlanBell> yeah, I asked bryce to pop in here to have a chat about it
[18:45] <AlanBell> there are a few likely candidates in the channel (including directhex)
[18:58] <AlanBell> we should probably get a logbot in #ubuntu-steam too I guess
[19:03] <IdleOne> yup
[19:06] <IdleOne> finally got my steam account password sorted
[19:55] <Tm_T> hi bryce
[19:55] <bryce> Tm_T, hi
[20:24] <AlanBell> hi bryce
[20:24] <AlanBell> apparently there was a bit of trolling or something in -steam earlier, do you think we should add some more operators there?
[20:25] <Tm_T> I think yes
[20:25] <Tm_T> oh, you meant bryce
[20:26] <AlanBell> bryce2 is the only operator in addition to UbuntuIrcCouncil
[20:54] <bryce> AlanBell, yeah probably would be a good idea
[20:55] <bryce2> AlanBell, want to walk me thru how to do that?
[20:55] <AlanBell> sure, firstly who do you want to add?
[20:56] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, he shoudl add you as a backup :P
[20:56] <TheLordOfTime> s/he/they/
[20:56]  * TheLordOfTime returns to lurkmode
[20:56] <AlanBell> I can use ubuntuirccouncil account so no need to add me individually
[20:56] <AlanBell> and I don't tend to be in that channel anyway
[20:57] <TheLordOfTime> :P
 wait, you're not *everywhere*? </offtopic>
[20:57] <AlanBell> directhex popey bkerensa would be people in the channel I know and are likely to be reasonably active
[20:57] <bryce2> hmm, deryck, bkerensa, popey
[20:58] <bkerensa> hi
[20:58] <bryce2> derickhex is pretty active, he'd be good
[20:58] <bryce2> AlanBell, think that's enough?  how many ops is a good number?
[20:58] <AlanBell> that sounds fine, you can always add more later
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> bryce2, i think "good number" varies based on channel traffic
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> for #ubuntu, for example,  4 or 5 ops isnt enough.
[20:59] <bkerensa> bryce2 / AlanBell : I saw the troll earlier but couldnt act
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> (based on observations)
[20:59] <bryce2> yeah guess we can start with them.  I should add my 'regular' account too.
[20:59] <IdleOne> #ubuntu has >9000 and it never seems to be enough
[20:59] <bkerensa> even though people ping me about him
[20:59] <AlanBell> so start with /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam list
[20:59] <bkerensa> <tgm4883> bkerensa, I was seeing if you were able to get rid of a troll in #ubuntu-steam, but he seems to have stopped caring
[20:59] <AlanBell> that will show you the current access list
[21:00] <bryce2> AlanBell, ok.
[21:00] <AlanBell> then /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam popey +Aiotv
[21:00] <IdleOne> bryce2: I'm new to the channel but I don't mind being idle in there and acting if needed.
[21:01] <IdleOne> I won't be hurt if you don;t add me :)
[21:01] <TheLordOfTime> IdleOne, true statement (for #ubuntu > 9000)
[21:01] <AlanBell> and same for the other people you want to add
[21:01] <AlanBell> then "access #ubuntu-steam list" again to see if you got it right
[21:01] <AlanBell> and tell the people concerned what you have done :)
[21:03] <bryce2> ok, bryce, popey, bkerensa, deryck, directhex added as ops for #ubuntu-steam
[21:03] <bryce2> AlanBell, will notify folks directly.  :-)
[21:03] <Fuchs> bryce2: if you want staff to intervene in case of no ops being around, you might want to add us. Note that this is entirely optional
[21:04] <bryce2> Fuchs, UbuntuIrcCouncil is on there currently; anything more needed?
[21:04] <IdleOne> always a good idea to have them in the access list
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> bryce2, freenode staff
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> *!*@freenode/staff/*
[21:04] <Fuchs> bryce2: as said, optional, but *!*@freenode/staff/*
[21:04] <bryce2> ok
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> if i remember the pattern right.
[21:04] <Fuchs> yes, yes you do
[21:04] <AlanBell> good point
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> Fuchs, suggested ACL flags?
[21:04] <Fuchs> *shrug*
[21:05] <bryce2> -ChanServ- Flags +Aiotv were set on *!*@freenode/staff/* in #ubuntu-steam.
[21:05] <TheLordOfTime> that works :P
[21:05] <Fuchs> +votiA seems common, but for most things we would actually do  (e.g. remove trolls) +o alone would be sufficient
[21:05] <AlanBell> great, thanks bryce2
[21:05] <Fuchs> thanks :)
[21:12] <bryce2> no prob.  Ok, notices sent.
[23:46] <hggdh> OK, folks I need help on the #ubuntu-br
[23:46] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, issues?
[23:46] <hggdh> there is one op there -- Rudolf -- that is completely uncontrolled
[23:47]  * TheLordOfTime pokes AlanBell
[23:47] <hggdh> and has just banned me from the channel
[23:48] <hggdh> so I will need a real op to set things right (whatever is right)
[23:48] <TheLordOfTime> well, anyone with +o can undo the ban, per se, if nobody on IRCC shows up any ubuntu member can suffice
[23:49] <AlanBell> hi hggdh
[23:49] <TheLordOfTime> SPEAKING of the IRCC, isnt abusive-ops one of the things they typically handle? :P
[23:49] <AlanBell> it is
[23:49] <AlanBell> hggdh: what time did this happen?
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, i've pulled banlogs, timestamp ~ 18:45 UTC-0500 if the system's reporting right...
[23:50]  * TheLordOfTime glances briefly at the server correctly reporting bantimes :P
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> (so, approximately 5 minutes ago give or take?)
[23:51] <hggdh> AlanBell:  17:45 CST
[23:51] <hggdh> yes
[23:51] <AlanBell> ok, lets give it a few minutes for the logs to update at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/12/20/%23ubuntu-br.html
[23:51] <TheLordOfTime> so yeah, 7 minutes ago.
[23:51] <AlanBell> what was the reasoning behind the ban?
[23:52] <hggdh> AlanBell: I asked him to control his language (a dialog earlier on from him was completely off-limits)
[23:53] <hggdh> *why* he banned, I do not know. I did not even know we would accept ops like him
[23:53] <TheLordOfTime> speaking of logs updating, how often do they update, AlanBell?
[23:54] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: it writes to disk every hour
[23:54] <hggdh> 17:45:50               -- | Mode #ubuntu-br [+b *!*hggdh@ubuntu/member/hggdh] by Rudolf
[23:54] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, as an aside, I see one thing out of place in that channel: the person in question is +o still
[23:54] <TheLordOfTime> isn't it op-act-deop?
[23:55] <AlanBell> one would normally do that, but it isn't in itself a big deal
[23:55] <Fuchs> that is merely a guideline than a fix rule. Also out of experience, letting things de-escalate instead of looking for more things to fight over is more productive :)
[23:56] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, i think i can see the "bad language" in question, and attitude, although google translate's pretty crappy with translations... (I only /join'd to check its +b list)
[23:57] <hggdh> indeed. I have been seen the channel go south for a while now, and today I saw a really low-level chat from Rudolf, and I asked both participants to control their language, and respect the channel
[23:57] <hggdh> s/been seen/been seeing/ # <sigh/>
[23:58] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, if I had any sway, i'd say he's far abusing operdom, and acting like someone who shouldn't have +o
[23:58]  * TheLordOfTime sees a couple of things that'd be against the ops guildelines for ubuntu


[11:27] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, hey, just to let you know I've branched couchdb-glib on git, so we're free to break it now :)
[12:44] <duanedesign> morning #ubuntuone
[14:19] <kenvandine> are there known problems with tomboy syncing?
[14:19] <kenvandine> [ERROR 09:18:59.800] Synchronization failed with the following exception: The remote server returned an error: (404) NOT FOUND.
[14:25] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, ^^
[14:26] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, not that I know, but this looks like your tokens got lost :(
[14:26] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, can you try re-authenticating tomboy?
[14:26] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, do a backup of ~/.local/share/tomboy, just in case
[14:27] <kenvandine> ok
[14:27] <rye> kenvandine, maverick or lucid ?
[14:27] <kenvandine> maverick
[14:27] <kenvandine> worked yesterday
[14:27] <rye> kenvandine, O_O
[14:27] <kenvandine> i think
[14:27] <rye> kenvandine, could you please go to https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[14:28] <rye> kenvandine, please do not reauthorize now
[14:28] <kenvandine> ok
[14:28] <rye> kenvandine, are you using "Ubuntu One" service in Tomboy or "Tomboy Web" ?
[14:28] <kenvandine> U1
[14:28] <rye> kenvandine, could you please check whether your Ubuntu One syncdaemon is connected - u1sdtool --status?
[14:29] <kenvandine> i have a device listed for this machine with (tomboy)
[14:29] <kenvandine> it is connected
[14:29] <kenvandine> no error
[14:29]  * rye is going to release updated indicator this weekend, hopefully will finally freeze the strings
[14:30] <rodrigo_> rye, so, what do you think the error is then?
[14:32] <rye> kenvandine, http://ubuntuone.com/p/KXj/ - is that really Ubuntu One that you have selected there?
[14:33] <rye> rodrigo_, if that's Ubuntu SSO token lost, then this does not make any sense since SyncDaemon would not be able to connect, and since it is working it is really weird
[14:33] <kenvandine> yes, that is all i have ever used
[14:33] <rodrigo_> rye, but it's not, since he has the tomboy token
[14:33] <kenvandine> but the error from the server is 404
[14:33] <kenvandine> makes me think it is server side...
[14:34] <rye> kenvandine, it can say 'Ubuntu One' and say 'already registered' or say 'Tomboy Web' with https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/ - that's what I am trying to find out
[14:34] <kenvandine> already registered
[14:34] <rye> kenvandine, bug #575937 is what we first described the issue
[14:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575937 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't synchronize Tomboy Notes: Server returned 404 NOT FOUND (affects: 17) (dups: 4) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575937
[14:34] <kenvandine> looking on the web, it looks like my notes i edited yesterday are there
[14:36] <kenvandine> actually i don't think it has my edits from yesterday, but it does have new notes created on monday or tuesday
[14:37] <rye> rodrigo_, in case that's Ubuntu One authorization then tomboy won't be able to reauthorize itself, ...
[14:37] <rye> kenvandine, could you please create a screenshot of tomboy preferences so that I stop bugging you with the details?
[14:38] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/513872/
[14:38] <kenvandine> that has the urls
[14:38] <kklimonda> rye: in your proposed couchdb format for im records, wouldn't it be more convienient to save time as a epoch instead od string?
[14:38] <kenvandine> [DEBUG 09:37:17.891] Building web request for URL: https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/notes/api/1.0/user/
[14:38] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: great to hear that, I'm expecting some breakage then ;)
[14:38] <kenvandine> but that works in a browser, so i guess bad auth
[14:38] <kklimonda> hello all
[14:40] <kklimonda> rye: also, with the current proposed schema it's going to be hard to get all messages, sent to and received from, a single id in one query (that's what telepathy-logger expects).
[14:40] <kenvandine> rye, aquarius says i'll get a 404 if i try to access a page that isn't authorized... so it must be my auth token
[14:41] <rye> kenvandine, yes, it is due to the tokens, but in case we have lost the token that SSO provided then we are having something really bad inconsistency between SyncDaemon OAuth tokens and web api oauth tokens, which is why I am trying to get as much details as possible
[14:42] <kenvandine> ok
[14:42] <kenvandine> does that pastebin help?
[14:43] <rye> kenvandine, not really, it shows the URLs but we definitely respond with 404 if auth is invalid (though it is kind of weird, i should admit)
[14:44] <duanedesign> hello kklimonda
[14:44] <kenvandine> yeah, so how can i help check to see if the token is there?
[14:53] <rodrigo_> kenvandine: so, you have authenticated tomboy via SSO (did you get a browser for authenticating or the ubuntu-sso-client window)?
[14:54] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, no idea... i last authed it in may
[14:54] <kenvandine> according to the web UI
[14:54] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok, so it was via the old tokens stuff
[14:54] <kenvandine> 21 May 2010
[14:55] <kenvandine> although... that doesn't really make sense
[14:55] <rodrigo_> rye, that would explain the diff between tomboy and syndaemon
[14:55] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, oh, why?
[14:55] <kenvandine> i have re-installed this laptop since then... with a clean homedir
[14:55] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, hmm, when?
[14:55]  * kenvandine wonders if he cleaned  out some of those lately...
[14:55] <kenvandine> august
[14:56] <rodrigo_> hmm, that can be SSO then
[14:56] <kenvandine> so if i haven't rebooted in a while, and since i rebooted i deleted the authorization
[14:56] <kenvandine> would it keep working?
[14:56] <kenvandine> until i reboot
[14:56] <rodrigo_> yes, it should
[14:56] <rodrigo_> the tomboy tokens are stored in gconf
[14:56] <kenvandine> oh... does it now use the same auth as syncdaemon?
[14:56] <rye> kenvandine, yes
[14:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, yes, now it does, but for new users
[14:57] <kenvandine> humm
[14:57] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, if you had the old tokens, it will use those
[14:57] <kenvandine> ok, so this auth that says (tomboy) in it isn't used then
[14:57] <kenvandine> since i re-installed
[14:58] <kenvandine> so if filesync works... it should work?
[14:59] <kenvandine> ok, i just reconnected and it worked
[14:59] <kenvandine> filesync that is
[14:59] <kenvandine> tomboy doesn't
[15:13] <Kvik_sverige> Hi i have a problem with my ubuntu one it's says i need more space but i only have 27.9MB and i can't sync
[15:18] <rooks> can i store some commercial stuff on ubuntuone that i own, that i access from other site (my blog)?
[15:18] <rooks> sotre and publish
[15:23] <duanedesign> hello Kvik_sverige . Are you running maverick?
[15:24] <Kvik_sverige> Yes
[15:24] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, this worked
[15:24] <Kvik_sverige> http://askubuntu.com/questions/3673/how-to-troubleshoot-ubuntu-one-in-maverick-beta
[15:25] <Kvik_sverige> Now i just need it to sync :)
[15:26] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: can you open the Ubuntu O ne Preferences from the Terminal. The command is ubuntuone-preferences
[15:26] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, yes but it still don't sync
[15:26] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: interested in what it prints to the Terminal. Could you post the output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:27] <Kvik_sverige> keld@Kvik:~$ u1sdtool --connect
[15:27] <Kvik_sverige> keld@Kvik:~$ ubuntuone-preferences
[15:27] <Kvik_sverige> keld@Kvik:~$ ^C
[15:27] <Kvik_sverige> keld@Kvik:~$
[15:30] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: can you run the following command:  kilall ubuntu-sso-login; u1sdtool -q
[15:32] <Kvik_sverige> it say killall command not found
[15:32] <duanedesign> sorry
[15:32] <duanedesign> killall ubuntu-sso-login; u1sdtool -q
[15:32] <Kvik_sverige> ubuntuone-syncdaemon stopped
[15:33] <duanedesign> then try to run ubuntuone-preferences again
[15:33] <duanedesign> do you still get the error?
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige> ubuntuone-preferences
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige> INFO:ubuntuone-preferences:Got credentials for Ubuntu One
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige> ERROR:ubuntuone-preferences:[Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): <class 'dbus.exceptions.DBusException'>: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.KeyError: Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/dbus/service.py", line 702, in _message_cb
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>     retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/dbus_interface.py", line 1547, in get_info
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>     mdobj = self.fs.get_by_path(path.encode('utf-8'))
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/filesystem_manager.py", line 607, in get_by_path
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige>     mdid = self._idx_path[path]
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige> KeyError: '/home/keld/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One'
[15:34] <Kvik_sverige> ]
[15:35] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: ok. For multilines of text it is easier to use http://paste.ubuntu.com then post the address it gives you here
[15:35] <Kvik_sverige> http://paste.ubuntu.com/513927/
[15:36] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige:ok, can you connect?
[15:37] <Kvik_sverige> When i do that it says no more space and i only use 27.9 mb
[15:39] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige:  Could you please pastebin your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log  file
[15:41] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/513928/
[15:42] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: could you please open seahorse (System / Preferences / Passwords and Encryption Keys). Do you see the entries such as 'UbuntuOne token for http://ubuntuone.com' or 'Ubuntu One' ?
[15:43] <Kvik_sverige> 1 ubuntu one is there
[15:44] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: could you please r-click and delete it
[15:44] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, done
[15:44] <Kvik_sverige> i did that from a guide before also the next sync the same
[15:45] <duanedesign> ok now run this command again in the Terminal:  u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntu-sso-login
[15:45] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, done
[15:45] <duanedesign> ok now: u1sdtool --connect
[15:46] <Kvik_sverige> then i sign in?
[15:46] <duanedesign> yes. there shouuld be a link at the bottom for existin account
[15:47] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, done
[15:47] <Kvik_sverige> The same no more space
[15:49] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, sorry but i'm at the Library and it cloce in 10 min
[15:49] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: ok while ubuntuone preeferences window is open can you run this command in a Terminal
[15:49] <duanedesign> dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.ubuntu.sso /credentials com.ubuntu.sso.ApplicationCredentials.login_to_get_credentials "string:Ubuntu One" "string:Workaround for LP:657850" int64:0
[15:49] <Kvik_sverige> can i file a bug on this
[15:50] <Kvik_sverige> INFO:ubuntuone-preferences:Got credentials for Ubuntu One
[15:51] <duanedesign> On the Ubuntu One Preferences do you see your account information on the 'Account' tab
[15:51] <Kvik_sverige> yes
[15:51] <Kvik_sverige>  Ubuntu One @ Kvik (XGHptvUZWswUMcbwQIMFNZiRXDQGvNhStayjVrazGLOmUwyEvS)	 15 Oct 2010
[15:51] <Kvik_sverige>   Ubuntu One @ Kvik (KpFQiLTqCPiubVIZyaeCdjJVqaDQhowvqVFuqlEFPROsLDKyLi)	 15 Oct 201
[15:52] <duanedesign> after running the last command do you still get the 'out of space' error
[15:53] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, no
[15:53] <Kvik_sverige> duanedesign, it sync now
[15:54] <Kvik_sverige> I can see it uploeade a fil
[15:54] <Kvik_sverige> Thanks
[15:54] <Kvik_sverige> first time it works in 10.10
[15:55] <duanedesign> what do you receive from the command: u1sdtool -s
[15:55] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: oh ok :)
[15:55] <duanedesign> sorry i got a bit of lag on my commection did not see the last comments ;)
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige> keld@Kvik:~$ u1sdtool -s
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     connection: With User With Network
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     description: processing queues
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     is_connected: True
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     is_error: False
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     is_online: True
[15:55] <Kvik_sverige>     queues: IDLE
[15:56] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: that looks good
[15:56] <Kvik_sverige> cool because the Library close now
[15:56] <duanedesign> :)
[15:56] <Kvik_sverige> and i have to get to the bus :)
[15:56] <duanedesign> Kvik_sverige: you should be all set
[15:56] <Kvik_sverige> thanks
[15:57] <duanedesign> no problem glad i could help
[17:21] <crappingtaco> Hey guys, I'm not seeing this in the FAQ/documentation, but is album artwork even support with the ubuntu one android app? Not a single CD shows a single album cover
[17:22] <crappingtaco> supported *
[17:28] <duanedesign> hello crappingtaco
[17:32] <ChristianAdamski> Hi, I ordered music store via rythmbox, but the files are not downloading
[17:32] <crappingtaco> Hey duanedesign
[21:36] <dobey> ppa:ubuntuone/stable is your new best friend if you're trying to stay on lucid and want new awesome
[21:42] <pudgypaw> hey guys, is the cloud down? me and 5 others can't sync tomboy and files, in browser it seems DB might be down, Can i get a confirm if it's down, and possible recovery date?
[21:43] <Lunar_Lamp> I have a range of issues with Ubuntuone, which are probably all interlinked... 1)I'm told my storage is full, but the web reports only 900M (of 2gb) used.  Starting up rhythmbox can take ages some times, and looking at the output when run from a terminal, it seems to be an issue loading the oauth web page.
[21:43] <Lunar_Lamp> Any hints on how I can debug this? It's getting a little frustrating!
[21:44] <Lunar_Lamp> (also, syncing contacts to my mobile phone crashes every tiem)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lamp> pudgypaw: the website looks to be working for me.
[21:46] <pudgypaw> Lunar_Lamp: Yeah website is up and one can log in, but if you go to Notes tab etc, it indicates the database is down?
[21:48] <Lunar_Lamp> I've never usd the notes section, but when I go there it says: "You have 0 notes. Get setup!" etc etc
[21:50] <pudgypaw> Lunar_Lamp: WHAT THE... you're right!!! even yesterday that area of the site was down and today it's back... but from my desktop things still won't sync right now.. this might be a maverick thing... i'm gonna reformat and see if i recover
[22:45] <Kvik_sverige> Lunar_Lamp, look at this i got help for the same problem to day
[22:45] <Kvik_sverige> http://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=76090#p76090
[22:46] <Kvik_sverige> Lunar_Lamp, duanedesign he help me, look at the last post in that link
[22:52] <Lunar_Lamp> Kvik_sverige: thanks
[22:52] <Lunar_Lamp> I read through and tried some of the suggestions.
[22:52] <Kvik_sverige> Lunar_Lamp, did it work?
[22:53] <Kvik_sverige> Lunar_Lamp, I can't help you more then that, i'm just a user of ubuntu
[22:53] <Lunar_Lamp> Kvik_sverige: I don't think so alas :-(