[00:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3095 opened: plugins: break out rosdep resolve parsing for external use <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3095>
[01:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#3096 opened: pluginhandler: export SNAPCRAFT_BUILD_BASE to build environment <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3096>
[01:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#3015 closed: [WIP] ros2 (colcon) extension preview <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3015>
[01:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3097 opened: [WIP] colcon v2 plugin + ros2 extension <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3097>
[05:46] <mup> Bug #1875543 opened: Ubuntu 20.04 "A stop job is running for Snappy Daemon" during shutdown <20.04> <ubuntu> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1875543>
[06:25] <zyga> Good morning
[06:44] <mborzecki> morning
[06:46] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[06:47] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, meeting is at 11 right?
[06:48] <mvo> mborzecki: yes
[06:49] <zyga> Hey
[06:49] <zyga> How was day one?
[06:50] <mborzecki> mvo: cool, i'll go for a walk with kids and do groceries, will be back before 11
[06:52] <mvo> mborzecki: sounds good, note that you are optional for the meeting, no worries about this
[07:08] <pstolowski> morning
[07:13] <zyga> good morning pawel :)
[07:38] <zyga> let's see if the store works better today
[07:56] <pedronis> hello, how are tests doing today?
[08:00] <zyga> pedronis: running now, all yesterday was red red red
[08:01] <zyga> pedronis: I'll let you know if a single run can pass
[08:01] <pstolowski> hi pedronis, i just kicked one of my PRs, will know soon
[08:22] <mborzecki> re
[08:23] <pedronis> zyga: pstolowski: I have a PR that I would like to land to let people test in edge, but I will not trigger it if it's hopeless
[08:23] <pedronis> zyga: pstolowski: thanks
[08:23] <zyga> ack
[08:24]  * zyga tests a fix for opensuse
[08:38] <zyga> google:ubuntu-core-16-64:tests/main/core-persistent-journal failed
[08:38] <zyga> + snap set core journal.persistent=false
[08:38] <zyga> 886
[08:38] <zyga> grep error: pattern not found, got:
[08:38] <zyga> 887
[08:38] <zyga> error: cannot communicate with server: Put http://localhost/v2/snaps/core/conf: EOF
[08:38] <zyga> preseed tests also failed on 19.10
[08:39] <zyga> ++ find /mnt/cloudimg/var/lib/snapd/seed/snaps/ -name 'core_*.snap'
[08:39] <zyga> 1316
[08:39] <zyga> + CORE_IMAGE=
[08:39] <zyga> 1317
[08:39] <zyga> + unsquashfs ''
[08:39] <zyga> 1318
[08:39] <zyga> Could not open , because No such file or directory
[08:39] <zyga> 1319
[08:39] <zyga> pstolowski: let's finish that branch that fixes this
[08:39] <zyga> pstolowski: you said that you had more improvements to my PR?
[08:42] <pstolowski> zyga: i pushed them all to #8528
[08:42] <mup> PR #8528: tests: fix for pre-seeding failures <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528>
[08:42] <zyga> super, let's see
[08:42] <zyga> when did you restart this last?
[08:43] <pstolowski> zyga: let me merge master & push
[08:43] <pstolowski> was last week
[08:43] <zyga> pstolowski: thanks
[08:43] <zyga> pstolowski: perhaps rebase, the merges are just confusing
[08:43] <pstolowski> zyga: hmm too late
[08:43] <zyga> no worries
[08:43] <pstolowski> zyga: do you have a link to core-persistent-journal failure?
[08:44] <zyga> yes, one sec
[08:44] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8565/checks?check_run_id=625210861
[08:44] <mup> PR #8565: osutil: expand FileLock to support shared locks and more <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8565>
[09:13] <pstolowski> i cannot reproduce google:ubuntu-core-16-64:tests/main/core-persistent-journal failure
[09:15] <zyga> may have been a random one :/\
[09:26] <pstolowski> zyga: we have some selinux denials on centos, and tests failing because of them, looking
[09:27] <zyga> I saw that but I'm unsure how to fix it
[09:27] <pstolowski> zyga: did we change snap-update-ns recently?
[09:27] <zyga> noo
[09:28] <zyga> no*
[09:28] <pstolowski> hmm
[09:28] <zyga> I suspect it's the nss modules
[09:28] <zyga> but I didn't go deep on that
[09:33] <pstolowski> indeed, only a few irrelevant changes there
[09:45] <pstolowski> zyga: pressed PR failed, i think 19.10 now has core18+snapd too, fun
[09:45] <pstolowski> zyga: i'm on it
[09:45] <zyga> heh
[09:45] <zyga> thank you
[09:45] <zyga> I'm looking at base policy issue
[09:49] <zyga> pedronis: is it possible to look at earlier revisions of assertions somehow? I'd like to see snap declarations
[10:00] <zyga> pedronis: no longer needed!
[10:02] <pedronis> zyga: the answer is no basically, not easily
[10:20] <pstolowski> zyga: pushed fix to #8528
[10:20] <mup> PR #8528: tests: fix for pre-seeding failures <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528>
[10:21] <zyga> \o/
[10:21] <zyga> thank you!
[10:24] <pstolowski> zyga: have you found anything about opensuse failures?
[10:25] <zyga> I looked but my trivial fix failed, I need to boot suse and just look around
[10:25] <zyga> I suspect I know what it is
[10:25] <zyga> I will probably couple that with package update
[10:25] <zyga> but after the meeting today
[10:39] <zyga> brb
[10:46] <jdstrand> diddledan: hey, I responded in the forum
[11:25] <pstolowski> zyga: #8525 green everywhere except for opensuse and centos 8
[11:25] <mup> PR #8525: tests: ignore user-12345 slice and service <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8525>
[11:26] <pstolowski> zyga: ups, i mean #8528
[11:26] <mup> PR #8528: tests: fix for pre-seeding failures <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528>
[11:33] <zyga> pstolowski: on unstable systems, can we merge regardless?
[11:34] <pstolowski> zyga: yes, we should. needs 2nd review
[11:34] <zyga> ok
[11:34] <zyga> maybe ijohnson is around now?
[11:34] <ijohnson> whats up zyga
[11:34] <zyga> ah, on a call
[11:34] <ijohnson> also good morning
[11:34] <zyga> ijohnson: just queue it for later ^^^
[11:34] <ijohnson> 8258 ?
[11:34] <pstolowski> hey ijohnson
[11:35] <ijohnson> hey pstolowski
[11:36] <pstolowski> ah, actually it needs 2 reviews ;)
[11:36] <zyga> I just cannot review as I wrote some part of it
[11:36] <pstolowski> i suppose i can't review it
[11:36] <pstolowski> yeah
[11:36] <pstolowski> zyga: maybe your and my review would count 0.5 each ;)
[11:41] <zyga> haha, yeah
[11:41] <zyga> I think that's ok
[11:50]  * juergh_ juergh
[11:50] <juergh_> I need to install an old version of snapd that doesn't seem to be in any of the channels anymore. How would I go about that?
[11:51] <zyga> juergh_: hey, unless it's available in one of the channels you cannot do that
[11:51] <zyga> juergh: is there a particular reason you need to use a older snapd?
[11:52] <juergh> zyga, 2.43.x introduced a workaround for what some people believe is a kernel issue. I need to test with the old snapd that dosn't have the workaround to debug this.
[11:55] <zyga> juergh: perhaps you can download a package from the archive (.deb) and see if that's sufficient
[11:55] <zyga> juergh: I think there are some places that cache them
[11:56] <juergh> zyga, are you saying we don't archive old snaps?
[11:57] <zyga> juergh: we do but we don't allow everyone to download them
[11:57] <juergh> zyga, and you're saying as an Ubuntu kernel maintainer and Canonical employee I'm not allowed :-)
[12:02] <zyga> juergh: only the publisher of a given snap can get every revision
[12:03] <roadmr> (and collaborators)
[12:16] <juergh> zyga, whom do I need to talk to get the revision that I need?
[12:17] <zyga> juergh: sorry, in a call
[12:17] <zyga> juergh: I think someone from the store or snapd might be able to help you
[12:17] <zyga> juergh: you need to find a revision of core or snapd that has what you want
[12:17] <zyga> and download that
[12:38] <zyga> juergh: I'll break for lunch now, I can try to help you after the break
[12:41] <zyga> mvo: not sure if you have time but we need https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528 to unbreak master
[12:41] <mup> PR #8528: tests: fix for preseeding failures <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528>
[12:41] <zyga> mvo: its green apart from unstable systems and has one review from Pawel who contributed a good chunk of the work
[12:55] <mup> PR snapd#8574 opened: tests, selinux: update SELinux rule affecting snap-update-ns on centos 8 <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8574>
[12:55] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ^ if you have a sec.. not sure if there is a magic macro anywhere in the policy, but this should do ..
[13:01] <cmatsuoka> zyga, cachio: going to SU?
[13:01] <zyga> no, I'm in the public review session
[13:01] <cachio> yes
[13:01] <cachio> but trying t o login
[13:04] <cachio> mvo, hi
[13:04] <zyga> cachio: mvo is speaking now
[13:05] <cachio> zyga, ouch
[13:05] <cachio> zyga, thanks for the heads up
[13:16] <ijohnson> zyga: pstolowski: I have reviewed 8528
[13:17] <pstolowski> ijohnson: thanks! i'll remove the TODO comment on next occasion
[13:17] <ijohnson> sounds good
[13:23] <mvo> cachio: hi
[13:24] <cachio> mvo, sorry for the interruption
[13:24] <cachio> cwayne, asked me to create a test-snapd-tools-core20 snap
[13:24] <cachio> mvo, you created the other 2 ones
[13:24] <cwayne> i did do that
[13:25] <cachio> and I cant find where you have the snapcraft.yaml
[13:25] <mvo> cachio: thanks, let me check
[13:25] <cachio> and the snap recipe
[13:25] <mvo> cachio: looking now
[13:25] <cwayne> that's the main stuff failing on uc20 runs for us
[13:32] <cachio> mvo, thanks
[13:32] <cmatsuoka> cachio: where can I find the core image inside the classic test machine?
[13:34] <cachio> cmatsuoka, /tmp/work-dir/image
[13:34] <cachio> there
[13:36] <mvo> cachio: it's a hand crafted one, I pushed a new one and shared with you, we should make it owned by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:36] <mvo> cachio: anyway, should unblock you
[13:36] <cachio> mvo, thanks
[13:39] <mup> PR snapd#8528 closed: tests: fix for preseeding failures <⚠ Critical> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8528>
[13:40] <cmatsuoka> cachio: one of the flags made the nested vm boot
[13:40] <cachio> cmatsuoka, awesome
[13:40] <cachio> cmatsuoka, panic?
[13:40] <cmatsuoka> cachio: now I must find which one, there are four possibilities
[13:41] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I can help
[13:42] <cmatsuoka> cachio: I tried it with -cpu host,-vmx-apicv-register,-vmx-apicv-vid,-vmx-ple,-vmx-rdrand-exit
[13:43] <cmatsuoka> cachio: but I also ran with -smp 4 and it rebooted later, so perhaps -smp 1 could help in this case?
[13:43] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes
[13:44] <cmatsuoka> cachio: what I actually did was to run my usual qemu script inside the google-nested machine with -nographics
[13:44] <cmatsuoka> adding the extra flags to cpu
[13:44] <cachio> ahh, I am trying now with your parameters
[13:45] <cmatsuoka> cachio: there are four flags there but probably one one fixes the msr issue
[13:46] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I am trying now the regular nested with those parameters
[14:15] <cmatsuoka> cachio: -vmx-rdrand-exit prevents the crash, let's see if it doesn't cause entropy starvation problems
[14:16] <cachio> cmatsuoka, awesome
[14:16] <cachio> cmatsuoka, so far I couldn't connect through ssh
[14:17] <cmatsuoka> cachio: I think it's better to monitor the console to actually see what's going on there, it could be many things now including our dreaded entropy starvation
[14:18] <cmatsuoka> I'm not sure what exactly this flag does and documentation isn't great
[14:26] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes
[14:28] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I see that goes into an infinite loop
[14:28] <cachio> using -smp 1
[14:28] <cmatsuoka> cachio: it freezes?
[14:28] <cachio> cmatsuoka, no
[14:28] <cmatsuoka> cachio: or is it a reboot loop?
[14:30] <cmatsuoka> does this problem also happen without -cpu?
[14:37] <cachio> it rebooted in install mode many times
[14:37] <cachio> without -cpu I didnt see those reboots usign -smp 1
[14:39] <cmatsuoka> and without -cpu, where did the problem happen again?
[14:44] <cachio> cmatsuoka, so
[14:44] <cachio> I don't see the menu anymore
[14:45] <cachio> so I cant update the kernel command line any more in run mode
[14:57] <cachio> cmatsuoka, also when I run console-conf I dont see any network: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2J4vjjxvHw/
[15:01] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I am going to have lunch now
[15:02]  * cachio lunch
[15:23] <mup> PR snapd#8575 opened: packaging/fedora: disable FIPS compliant crypto for static binaries <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8575>
[15:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ^^
[15:26] <mup> PR snapd#8574 closed: tests, selinux: update SELinux rule affecting snap-update-ns on centos 8 <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8574>
[15:43] <pstolowski> drat, another failure of google:ubuntu-core-16-64:tests/main/core-persistent-journal, something is flaky after all
[15:58] <cmatsuoka> cachio: so if you're reaching console conf the system is booting correctly to run mode, except network?
[16:29] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes
[16:31] <cmatsuoka> cachio: and this is with -cpu or without?
[16:31] <cachio> without
[16:31] <cmatsuoka> ok, so entropy starvation was not an issue
[16:31] <cmatsuoka> good
[16:31] <cachio> with -cpu it goes to a infinite loop
[16:33] <cachio> cmatsuoka, do you know how to edit the kernel commandline now?
[16:33] <cachio> the menu does not appear anymore
[16:34] <cmatsuoka> do you want to edit it for install mode or run mode?
[16:34] <cmatsuoka> for run mode it's part of the tpm measurements so you can't change it
[16:35] <cachio> cmatsuoka, ahh
[16:35] <cachio> that makes sense
[16:36] <cmatsuoka> now this network problem seems strange, did you see something similar before?
[16:38] <cachio> no
[16:38] <cachio> perhaps this is the reason why ssh cannot be stablished
[17:03] <mup> PR snapd#8575 closed: packaging/fedora: disable FIPS compliant crypto for static binaries <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8575>
[17:04] <mborzecki> yay, thanks mvo!
[17:05] <mborzecki> hm maybe we could move centos8 back to stable systems now
[17:25] <cachio> cmatsuoka, now without -cpu I see a reboot loop again
[17:25] <cachio> cmatsuoka, this is dmesg output on the host machine https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JD5WgQkBQG/
[17:26] <cachio> cmatsuoka, for each reboot I see a vcpu0, guest rIP: 0xffffffffb5e788b4
[17:27] <cachio> xnox, hey, any idea about what be causing that error?
[17:31] <cmatsuoka> this seems to be just a notification message, not necessarily an error
[17:35] <cachio> cmatsuoka, but this vcpu0, guest rIP:
[17:35] <cachio> means that something happens and hte vm was killed right?
[17:44] <cmatsuoka> I think it's just a message telling that the guest is trying to access the msr
[17:45] <cmatsuoka> if something is crashing you should see a more detailed message
[17:49] <Saviq> zyga: LOL, `sejwy`? ;D
[17:49] <zyga> Saviq: *comprehensible* ;)
[17:50] <zyga> Saviq: are you following all new posts? :D
[17:50] <Saviq> zyga: only the interesting ones :P
[17:50] <Saviq> zyga: "remainder", btw :)
[17:50] <zyga> ah, thanks
[17:51] <zyga> fixed
[17:51] <zyga> Saviq: feedback welcome, it's just an idea at this stage
[18:00]  * zyga EODs
[18:24] <cachio> cmatsuoka, did you remember the kvm parameter used to show extra info like crashes?
[18:24] <cachio> do you ?
[18:27] <cmatsuoka> cachio: hmm, no, I don't know this parameter
[18:28] <cmatsuoka> cachio: maybe Saviq knows?
[18:28] <Saviq> no, sorry
[18:32] <mup> PR snapd#8576 opened: tests/main/lxd: add test for snaps inside nested lxd containers <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8576>
[18:37] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, fyi the discussion in https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issues/48#issuecomment-620509641
[18:38] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, checking
[18:40] <mvo> jdstrand: right, I agree we should use the updated libseccomp and rebuild snapd/core with that
[18:40] <mvo> jdstrand: timing is not great, I can probably work on this tomorrow (my) morning but it requires hte updated libseccomp to be available in ppa:snppay-dev/image
[18:40]  * mvo actually should write this in the bug
[18:45] <ijohnson> also mvo I proposed the nested lxd test and it fails
[18:45] <ijohnson> need someone to look into why it fails
[18:45]  * ijohnson doesn't know
[18:46] <mvo> ijohnson: might be worthwhile to check with stgraber
[18:46] <jdstrand> mvo: yeah. I'm not pushing for a particular time, just wanted to make sure you saw it
[18:46] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks
[18:46] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, if snapcraft enables it we should fix the issue ASAP :)
[18:46] <mvo> ups, ijohnson -^
[18:46] <ijohnson> yeah, I mean we could also ask snapcraft team to delay if really needed
[18:47] <ijohnson> stgraber: is running snapd inside a lxd container which is a nested lxd container supported?
[18:47] <ijohnson> stgraber: we test that snapd inside a lxd container works as expected and that we can create nested containers, but we heard from the juju team that sometime around eoan release it stopped working to install snaps inside the inner nested container
[18:48] <mvo> ijohnson: it's probably ok, I check in my morning, shouldn't be much work to do a 2.44.4, the only annoying part is that we only have a single beta channel and 2.45~pre1 is there right now, so it needs to go to candidate quickly or we test from a branch or something as we also need to build the beta cu20 image from the beta/ channel
[18:49] <ijohnson> mvo: I thought that ~pre* releases don't ever got to candidate ?
[18:49] <mvo> ijohnson: yeah, we usually put 2.44.x into beta so it would override 2.45~pre1 etc, I need to think a little bit about this
[18:49] <ijohnson> ack, let me know if there's anything I can help with
[18:50] <mvo> ijohnson: it's probably fine if we keep 2.44.4 in beta just shortly, 2.44.4 has almost no changes so the regression risk is minimal
[18:50] <mvo> ijohnson: thanks, will do!
[18:52] <mup> PR snapd#8577 opened: [RFC] secboot,cmd/snap-bootstrap: move initramfs-mounts tpm access to secboot <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8577>
[18:55] <stgraber> ijohnson: apparmor only supports one level of nesting, so you can install snaps in a LXD container but you cannot install snaps inside a nested LXD container
[18:56] <stgraber> ijohnson: LXD itself if not installed through snapd can nest all the way to the max 32 levels deep and will just re-use the parent level's apaprmor profile when detecting that it can't create a new apparmor namespace
[18:56] <ijohnson> stgraber: ack,  I will let Tim Penhey know
[18:57] <stgraber> I had someone reach out about this setup a week or so ago too
[18:58] <ijohnson> thanks, I can't seem to find him on IRC so I'll drop him an email and CC you on it
[20:23] <mup> PR snapd#8475 closed: tests: port snap-session-agent-* to session-tool <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8475>


[02:04] <chronos> I own one dual 3.5" bay with raid (http://www.welland.com.tw/html/2bay/580j.html) that uses chipset JMB352 (which should support linux). I'm running ubuntu 12.04 in two machines and one of than recognize one of two hard disks, other any.  Someone maybe already seen this model  or chipset or know a way to go on, cuz I'm little lost.
[12:18] <nickoe___> hi
[12:19] <nickoe___> ´Can I obtain a ubuntu without pae?`
[12:24] <Eimann> yes, use the non-pae kernel
[12:32] <nickoe___> Eimann: where to fin the image with that?
[12:36] <Eimann> http://askubuntu.com/a/117751
[12:36] <Eimann> workaround 3
[15:47] <cnd> sforshee: I've got a new macbook air, but I'm finding the instructions on how to install ubuntu confusing
[15:47] <cnd> I thought we didn't have to do anything special anymore, and efi support was built-in by default
[15:48] <cnd> but the installation guide here is a bunch of stuff I don't really want to do: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2
[15:48] <cnd> what do you do?
[21:00] <thomi> Hi, I'm getting a kernel panic while runnign the precise live CD - anyone have any ideas why that might be? is there anything I can do to get more useful information? The stack looks like this: http://static.inky.ws/image/2227/image.jpg
[21:04] <thomi> seems similar to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/923217
[21:04] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 923217 in casper "[Oneiric] Kernel Panic doing PXE/NFS boot" [Undecided,New]
[21:04] <mjg59> thomi: /looks/ like init exited
[21:04] <mjg59> I don't think that's a kernel bug
[21:05] <thomi> oh?
[21:05] <thomi> hmmm, Any idea how I can debug that?
[21:06] <mjg59> I haven't looked at the Ubuntu live init for way too long, I'm afraid


[02:40] <NRG88> anyone here? :)
[02:40] <tapox> Just me, after he told you it was in here.
[02:41] <NRG88> anyone who is in the arwork team? :)
[02:47] <lapo> hi NRG88
[02:47] <NRG88> hi, you're in the artwork team?
[02:48] <NRG88> of dapper?
[02:48] <lapo> tangerine
[02:48] <NRG88> cool
[02:48] <NRG88> well, i nopticed the new usplash theme
[02:48] <NRG88> and i think many of ubuntu users did
[02:49] <lapo> I think it's not the final one, don't worry :-)
[02:49] <NRG88> there's even a topic in ubuntuforums saying it's ugly :)
[02:49] <NRG88> we found a nice looking theme
[02:49] <NRG88> it's very sleek: http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-working-full.jpg
[02:50] <lapo> I think the bg have to be black
[02:50] <NRG88> why?
[02:50] <lapo> variuos reasons
[02:51] <lapo> btw I'm not involved in uspalsh sorry
[02:52] <NRG88> ok, thanks
[07:11] <Shirlz> Hello
[07:22] <andreasn> hey
[07:23] <Shirlz> Hows it going?
[07:30] <andreasn> I'm cleaning out my apartment and are planning to fix some tangerine-stuff tonight
[07:30] <Shirlz> lovely!
[07:31] <Shirlz> You maintain the tangerine pack then?
[07:32] <andreasn> yep
[07:32] <Shirlz> :) nice
[07:32] <Shirlz> www.pigginempire.co.uk/wordpress
[07:32] <Shirlz> some of my stuff.
[07:32] <andreasn> or rather, dholbach maintain it, but he merge all the stuff from me
[07:32] <Shirlz> Not fantastic, but not bad :)
[07:33] <Shirlz> *My graphics that is, not yours
[07:33] <andreasn> I like the 3tunes logo a lot
[07:37] <Shirlz> :) thanks
[07:38] <Shirlz> Does ubuntu use .ico, png or svg?
[07:38] <andreasn> png and svg
[07:38] <Shirlz> nice.
[07:39] <andreasn> in tango (and tangerine) we use png for the 16x16 and 22x22 sizes and svg for the scalable size (48x48)
[07:39] <Shirlz> I see..
[07:39] <Shirlz> You made any other icons/icon packs?
[07:40] <andreasn> not really, did some graphics for freecraft back in the days when that project was active
[07:41] <andreasn> and some stuff for the gnome-icon-theme refresh
[07:41] <andreasn> in tango style
[07:41] <Shirlz> cool.
[07:41] <Shirlz> Is this channel usually so quiet?
[07:41] <andreasn> did the new icons for scribus and are working on some new ones for inkscape
[07:41] <andreasn> it's awfully quitet most of the time
[07:42] <andreasn> but there is lots of discussion on the ubuntu-art mailing list
[07:42] <Shirlz> i see..
[07:43] <Shirlz> Do you do anything commercial, or just open source stuff?
[07:47] <andreasn> mostly free software-stuff
[07:47] <andreasn> but freelance work from time to time
[07:47] <Shirlz> yeah..
[07:49] <Shirlz> Photoshopper? Illustrator? GIMPER?
[07:52] <andreasn> Inkscaper and gimper
[07:52] <andreasn> but I do some work in Illustrator, Indesign and Photoshop when the client wants me to
[07:54] <Shirlz> i see.


[00:25] <ndw28> howdy
[00:25] <ndw28> I have an Avantree pair of headphones and it connects (the OS sees the headphones), the volume thingy shows up but no sound. Not sure if I need to restart pulse audio or what..?
[00:25] <ndw28> it shows up as a trusted device under bluetooth devices in system settings
[00:31] <ndw28> I figured it out.. thanks
[00:32] <ndw28> I just got a wireless usb dongle from ThinkPenguin. I highly recommend them!
[00:34] <ndw28> It's interesting that I cannot access pulseaudio like pulseaudio -k through sudo. Is this an override that the kubuntu system does?
[00:35] <ndw28> When I run sudo pulseaudio -k, I get:
[00:35] <ndw28> E: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Home directory not accessible: Permission denied -- E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such file or directory
[00:35] <ndw28> maybe I have to roll my own.. compile my own pulseaudio or something
[00:40] <oft_gegong> take out the headphones for a few seconds and put them back in
[00:40] <oft_gegong> I'm 0.2% sure that should help
[00:41] <oft_gegong> oh wait you solved that problem, nvm
[00:41] <ndw28> yep that was going to be my next move, haha
[00:41] <oft_gegong> yeah KDE does so much, it's the biggest GUI-managing-everything everything-package-deal thing on linux
[00:44] <ndw28> I bet if I compiled pulseaudio from scratch it would override whatever KDE put in there but I'm going to wait until I have another issue before doing that
[00:45] <oft_gegong> yeah the kernel uses alsa, and then everything connects to alsa's driver /dev/* files (I'm 38% sure) like pulse
[01:29] <hotfudgemuffin> test
[01:30] <hotfudgemuffin> ok were good
[01:39] <francis_> hi, I'm looking for a tutorial on Plasma...I want to test Kubuntu but want to know the key combinations for window control and other things the desktop manager can use
[01:39] <francis_> any sugestion?
[01:39] <francis_> webpage or youtube channel?
[01:41] <hotfudgemuffin> google
[01:43] <francis_> "google" is not a good suggestion, that's why I came here
[01:44] <hotfudgemuffin> well maybe check the built in help index?
[01:45] <francis_> thank you...that's more like it...I'll start there
[01:45] <francis_> thank you
[01:49] <jrss> my entire panel is "grated out".
[01:49] <jrss> dim dark color.
[01:49] <jrss> what.
[01:49] <hotfudgemuffin> cool
[01:50] <jrss> why :)
[01:50] <jrss> can't click on anything
[01:50] <hotfudgemuffin> sounds fun
[01:50] <jrss> can't alt + tab either
[01:50] <jrss> thanks hotfudgemuffin :)
[01:52] <jrss> well. killed it.
[01:52] <jrss> restarted plamsma
[01:52] <jrss> whatever.
[01:52] <jrss> life's good.
[01:53] <jrss> oh lol but now it's in terminal so if I kill it it kills my desktop
[01:53] <jrss> xDDD
[01:53] <jrss> oooohhh man
[01:58] <[Relic]> graduated from cereal killer to desktop killer
[02:10] <oft_gegong> must be your lucky charms
[02:32] <jrss> me luck charms
[07:36] <halcyon_> Has anyone had issues with Ethernet and Wifi speeds on Kubuntu 18.04 with kernel version 4.15.0-29-generic ?
[07:37] <halcyon_> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) is ethernet controller
[07:37] <halcyon_> 25:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35)
[07:37] <halcyon_> is wifi
[07:38] <halcyon_> I've seen that there are some issues with the iwlwifi driver on some machines, but this driver did not show any issues on Kubuntu 16.04 (my last distribution before I upgraded about a week ago)
[07:38] <halcyon_> Since upgrading, I've noticed Wifi speeds hovering around 11-15 Mb/s, where before I was getting ~30Mb/s (since 802.11 chipset)
[07:39] <halcyon_> I was getting ~70Mb/s over ethernet before. Now I'm getting ~3.5Mb/s. I have 70Mb/s service run into the premise.
[07:40] <halcyon_> I'm open to any ideas :)
[07:40] <diogenes_> halcyon_: yes
[07:40] <diogenes_> it's because some bug in systemd-resolve, it happened to me too
[07:41] <diogenes_> halcyon_: run: cat /etc/nsswitch | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:41] <diogenes_> share the link
[07:42] <halcyon_> http://termbin.com/pfpc
[07:42] <halcyon_> I did check there, it appears normal
[07:42] <diogenes_> also: cat /etc/resolve.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:43] <halcyon_> http://termbin.com/56oj
[07:45] <diogenes_> halcyon_: ok, one try would be to edit /etc/nsswitch by adding "resolve" to the hosts line, like this: hosts:          files resolve mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[07:45] <diogenes_> reboot afterwards
[07:46] <halcyon_> doing that now diogenes_
[07:51] <halcyon_> no change diogenes_
[07:52] <diogenes_> halcyon_: no good then :(
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:53] <Jek2018> Ciao a tutti!
[10:53] <Jek2018> list
[10:54] <BluesKaj> !it
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Jek2018,^
[10:55] <Jek2018> Ok!
[11:25] <user|98381> hello
 anyone have any idea - https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/74124-Why-doesn-t-any-of-the-themes-from-KDE-Store-doesn-t-work-on-Kubuntu-18-04-0-LTS
[16:26] <fscale> Hi, has kubuntu 18.04.1 been released?
 yes
[16:42] <fscale> Can anyone please answer?
 @fscale, Rik answered: yes, 18.04.1 has been released.  The Kubuntu website does not specify <IP_ADDRESS>, but you can find them here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds/177836/downloads
[16:56] <fscale> oh now I understand, you people are the slack guys posting here with a bot.
[16:57] <fscale> how many users are on slack kubuntu?
 almost,  we have Telegram bridge that pre-appends Telegram comments with <ircbot>. So it looks a little funny if you are you using a std. IRC client.
[17:02] <fscale> oh kk
 no-one updated the website? ok. I'll do that later
[20:14] <jrss> hello again. My computer's boot is f**** again, for the third time this week, same issue. I don't see windows option in Grub, I and booting into Kubuntu puts me in emergency mode that doesn't do much.
[20:14] <jrss> can someone maybe help me troubleshoot this once and for all?
[20:14] <jrss> I've bee using the boot repair tool. not much help so far.
[20:25] <jrss> s


[18:37] <bdmurray> stgraber: bug 760884 has a patch that might be worth looking at
[18:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 760884 in ubiquity "Change of proposed computer name causes error" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760884
[18:39] <stgraber> bdmurray: the idea seems good, I'll have to test the implementation though
[22:18] <GrueMaster> stgraber: Around?  I'm seeing an odd issue with resolv.conf in our daily image.  Some puppet info, my network for search, localhost for nameserver, and domain as buildd.
[22:19] <infinity> GrueMaster: Sounds like we're picking up the buildd's resolv.conf (and then resolvconf if mangling it)
[22:19] <GrueMaster> infinity: Yea, that's what it looks like to me.
[22:20]  * GrueMaster is really not liking resolvconf lately.
[22:20] <infinity> Which could be an artifact of no longer writing a pristine one (at least, I'm guessing we no longer do, since if we did, resolvconf wouldn't kick in at all)
[22:20] <GrueMaster> I had server issues this morning because of a resolvconf issue.  And it is on 10.04.4.
[22:21] <infinity> Yeah, looks like this is a change made to live-build.
[22:21] <stgraber> resolvconf shouldn't be intalled on 10.04.4, it wasn't supported back then and it was horrible
[22:21] <infinity> And I'm guessing there's a corresponding change to various installer bits that perhaps jasper and ac100-tarball need to cargo-cult.
[22:21] <GrueMaster> Well, not sure how it got there, but it is on my server.
[22:22] <stgraber> now, Steve made some changes lately to copy the content of /etc/resolv.conf to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail on upgrades, maybe that bit doesn't work as expected on the build servers
[22:22] <infinity> GrueMaster: Potentially a recommends of some whacky universe package.  Lots of stuff liked to recommend (and even sometimes depend) on resolvconf.
[22:22] <stgraber> if you have /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail with some Canonical DC info, that's definitely a bug
[22:23] <infinity> stgraber: Well, live-build is copying the buildd resolv.conf to the chroot resolv.conf, so if that resolvconf postinst bit is then copying it to tail, that would do it.
[22:23] <GrueMaster> stgraber: Yes, I do.
[22:23] <infinity> But it also wouldn't be arch-specific, then.
[22:23] <infinity> All images should have this bug.
[22:25] <stgraber> they probably all do ;) it's been changed yesterday
[22:25] <infinity> Fun.
[22:26] <stgraber> moved the discussion to #ubuntu-devel where slangasek is around
[22:40] <antarus> the preseed flags are all MODULE/FLAGNAME right?
[22:41] <antarus> so I should be able to figure out what a given flag actually does by just looking at the source for a given D-I module?
[23:02] <stgraber> yes, looking in debian/<package>.templates should give you some information


[07:17] <LocutusOfBorg> hello mwhudson, I syncd vulture... the delta seems useless now, can you please also look at your other merges? zope.testing, golang-* :) thanks!
[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, I also syncd python-tornado, the testsuite seems fixed in debian, the timeout has been increased via patch
[17:48] <ginggs> juliank: hi, if you have a chance, would you have a look at LP: #1713615 ?  the ubuntu version of ttf-mscorefonts-installer uses package-data-downloader which uses apt-helper. do you think this is a bug in apt?
[20:47] <juliank> ginggs: apt does not follow https->http redirects by design
[20:49] <juliank> but that was not the issue last times
[20:49] <juliank> here too
[20:49] <juliank> It redirects to a failed mirror page, so it would not work anyway
[21:00]  * juliank tried three times, works just fine
[22:15] <tomreyn> in case it helps, this is my understanding from past years of using SF.net:  sf mirrors would redirect to http://downloads.sourceforge.net/mirrorproblem?... only if the requested file should have been present at the requested mirror location but was not (due to mirroring issues) or had an incorrect checksum. also, this event triggers / schedules a redistribution from the master mirror to the download mirror. it's not possible to reproduce
[22:15] <tomreyn> it with a non-existant file location. also SF.net no longer seems to disclose which mirrors do not have a file (they did in the past), only the number of mirror servers which have it (and that only to project admins). so reproducing this will be difficult (the only way i can think of is to create a new file on some project and request this file from download mirrors before it has been distributed).
[22:18] <tomreyn> the redirection ot a plain http:// url seems like a bug to me, though (unless it is to rule out client TLS side issues), /mirrorproblem is also available via HTTPS and should probably be used as the redirection target instead.


[02:32] <vKompff> has anyone gotten ffado to work with a presonus firebox?
[05:37] <Curly_Q> Greetings folks.
[05:37] <Curly_Q> I just happened upon the Ubuntu Studio ISO.
[05:37] <Curly_Q> Before I install it any comments on it?
[05:38] <holstein> Curly_Q: sure
[05:38] <holstein> what are you planning on doing?
[05:38] <holstein> do you have ubuntu installed now?
[05:38] <Curly_Q> Lots of stuff.
[05:38] <holstein> just plain ubuntu?
[05:38] <Curly_Q> I am always looking for new stuff for my Recording Studio.
[05:39] <Curly_Q> I use Kubuntu Server here. Do I need to reinstall the studio ISO?
[05:39] <holstein> Curly_Q: what do you mean?
[05:39] <holstein> kubuntu server?
[05:39] <Curly_Q> I have a Server Kubuntu.
[05:39] <holstein> you mean ubuntu server?
[05:39] <Curly_Q> Yes.
[05:40] <holstein> the k in kubuntu implies KDE
[05:40] <holstein> and the server installs are usually without a desktop
[05:40] <Curly_Q> Whatever Distro you want to call it. It is still Linux.
[05:40] <holstein> is that the case?
[05:40] <holstein> you have a server installation?
[05:40] <holstein> without X ?
[05:40] <Curly_Q> Well, the question is:  Is there an apt-get for Ubuntustudio?
[05:41] <Curly_Q> I have X installed. I use VNC tunneling for that.
[05:41] <holstein> Curly_Q: OK
[05:41] <holstein> so, you have an ubuntu installation
[05:41] <Curly_Q> Yes.
[05:41] <holstein> you started with a server installation disc?
[05:41] <holstein> and added KDE?
[05:42] <Curly_Q> Well, I have a lot  of computers here, I was just considering what would be the best way to install ubutustudio.
[05:42] <holstein> OK
[05:42] <holstein> if you open up synaptic
[05:42] <holstein> or whatever package manager
[05:42] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[05:42] <holstein> you'll see the metapackage
[05:42] <holstein> BUT
[05:43] <holstein> you dont even need them
[05:43] <holstein> you can just install what you want
[05:43] <holstein> jack and ardour
[05:43] <holstein> i usually do
[05:43] <Curly_Q> Installation should be no problem for me. I was wondering what features this ISO has that would make me want to brag about it.
[05:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[05:43] <holstein> Curly_Q: usually, if you already have ubuntu installed
[05:43] <holstein> its more trouble than its worth
[05:44] <holstein> theres no live CD for ubuntustudio
[05:44] <holstein> its hard to do a USB install
[05:44] <Curly_Q> I was thinking in terms of setting up a laptop with ubuntustudio. A whole different installation.
[05:44] <holstein> right
[05:44] <holstein> on the laptop
[05:44] <holstein> your not going to get the network manager
[05:44] <holstein> out of the box
[05:44] <holstein> with ubuntustudio
[05:44] <holstein> SO, that'll be the first 'gotcha'
[05:45] <holstein> no wireless
[05:45] <Curly_Q> I can format a USB 64 gig memory stick for that. That is what I was thinking.
[05:45] <holstein> totally do-able
[05:45] <holstein> its just...
[05:45] <holstein> you can get the ubuntu vanilla live cd
[05:45] <holstein> install it
[05:45] <holstein> and start trying out software
[05:45] <holstein> JACK and ardour
[05:45] <holstein> qtractor
[05:45] <Curly_Q> Is there an ISO for the vanilla?
[05:45] <holstein> yeah
[05:45] <holstein> just the normal live CD
[05:46] <Curly_Q> Will this stuff work with Audio Kontrol hardware?
[05:46] <holstein> Curly_Q: link it up
[05:46] <holstein> i have no idea what that is
[05:46] <Curly_Q> What do you mean?
[05:46] <holstein> audio kontrol hardware
[05:47] <holstein> Curly_Q: USB or firewire?
[05:47] <Curly_Q> Audio Kontrol is a hardware box that works with Windows Native Instruments software like Guitar Rig.
[05:47] <Curly_Q> Audio Kontrol 1 is a USB device.
[05:48] <holstein> i dont see in on the list
[05:48] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[05:48] <Curly_Q> It has multiple guitar amps like Marshal and Fender amps.
[05:48] <holstein> amp sims?
[05:48] <Curly_Q> It does also have the ALSA drivers too. But for Windows.
[05:49] <holstein> anyways, i would get a live CD
[05:49] <holstein> unless you want to plug it into whatever computer you already have ubuntu installed on
[05:49] <holstein> and run a few commands
[05:49] <holstein> in a terminal
[05:49] <holstein> you want to run
[05:49] <Curly_Q> I do know that there dome enthusiasts who do work with Linux and Native instruments.
[05:49] <holstein> lsusb
[05:49] <holstein> after pluging the device in
[05:49] <holstein> IF you see it there
[05:49] <holstein> you want to run
[05:49] <holstein> aplay -l
[05:50] <holstein> and
[05:50] <holstein> arecord -l
[05:50] <holstein> IF you see the device there ^^
[05:50] <holstein> it should be useable by JACK
[05:50] <holstein> without any more hassle
[05:50] <holstein> if not, then you'll just have to start googling around
[05:50] <Curly_Q> Does this software or ISO kernel or whatever you want to call it act as a guitar fuzz box or distortion amp and things like that with echo and flanging?
[05:50] <holstein> and asking on formus
[05:51] <holstein> Curly_Q: there are programs
[05:51] <holstein> that do effects processing
[05:51] <Curly_Q> That is what I am interested in the add ons.
[05:51] <holstein> rakarrack is the one i really like
[05:51] <holstein> Curly_Q: JACK is what you'll want to learn
[05:51] <holstein> there is a different workflow to linux audio
[05:51] <Curly_Q> Is there a web link that has all of this stuff available?
[05:52] <holstein> Curly_Q: theres not one over all web link
[05:52] <Curly_Q> I see.
[05:52] <holstein> http://jackaudio.org/
[05:52] <Curly_Q> I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
[05:52] <holstein> Curly_Q: check out #opensourcemusicians
[05:52] <holstein> theres a podshow
[05:52] <holstein> and all kinds of different users
[05:53] <holstein> making all different kinds of music with these tools
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I bookmarked those links. Thanks.
[05:53] <holstein> and others
[05:53] <holstein> Curly_Q: sure, anytime :)
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I play lead guitar.
[05:53] <holstein> cool
[05:53] <holstein> i play lead bass ;)
[05:53] <Curly_Q> I do lots of Hendrix and Jimi Page style.
[05:54] <holstein> nice
[05:54] <holstein> i play mostly jazz
[05:54] <Curly_Q> My maing preocupation is Computer Scientist.
[05:54] <Curly_Q> I love jazz.
[05:54] <Curly_Q> Nice choice.
[05:55] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s
[05:55] <Curly_Q> I play lots of Blues like Stevie Ray Vaughn.
[05:55] <Curly_Q> Is that your band?
[05:55] <holstein> well, i freelance
[05:55] <holstein> thats a piano player i play with often
[05:56] <holstein> i dont really do 'bands'
[05:56] <Curly_Q> Are you playing in that video?
[05:56] <Curly_Q> It is nice though.
[05:56] <holstein> Curly_Q: thats me on the basso :)
[05:56] <holstein> lead bass
[05:57] <Curly_Q> Hey that's nice. Good work.
[05:57] <holstein> thanks
[05:58] <Curly_Q> I do lots of flamenco guitar work as well as electronic rock and blues. I do lots of improv jazz.
[05:59] <holstein> right on
[06:00] <Curly_Q> Is that piece on youtube improv? It seems so.
[06:00] <holstein> well, i started it at my solo
[06:00] <holstein> and im improvising over the form
[06:01] <holstein> but the tune is the piano players tune
[06:01] <Curly_Q> I can see. Most jazz is though. I like it though.
[06:01] <holstein> he plays the melody after im finished soloing
[06:01] <Curly_Q> It is a lot of fun to get carried away playing.
[06:02] <Curly_Q> I have met lots of musicians that hate improve. They cannot play anything without sheet music. That to me is boring.
[06:02] <holstein> eh, i try and do both
[06:02] <holstein> im not a fast sight reader though really
[06:03] <Curly_Q> Improvisation is the only way to become creative.
[06:03] <holstein> i can respect those hard-core classical players though
[06:03] <Curly_Q> I can read music but I don't read it.
[06:03] <holstein> yo-yo-ma and the like
[06:03] <holstein> really good interpreters of the page
[06:03] <Curly_Q> Yo-yo-ma is an exception.
[06:03] <holstein> thats a whole other skill
[06:04] <holstein> reading what someone else writes
[06:04] <holstein> and playing it lyrically
[06:04] <holstein> or whatever it takes to convey the story
[06:04] <Curly_Q> Reading music cramps my style.
[06:04] <Curly_Q> I taught myself how to listen to something and then just play it. I don't need sheet music.
[06:04] <holstein> i hear you
[06:05] <holstein> but, as miles davis said 'freedom is in itself ultimately limiting'
[06:05] <Curly_Q> I teach guitar lessons though which is an irony of the whole thing. I make $75.00/hour doing it.  hehe
[06:05] <holstein> nice
[06:06] <holstein> i usually do $40
[06:06] <holstein> for 50 minutes or so
[06:06] <holstein> but i dont have a lot of students
[06:06] <Curly_Q> I do much better at Forensic Data Recovery making about $1,000.00/day. I keep my priorities here.   :)
[06:06] <holstein> and no regular ones
[06:07] <Curly_Q> There is a huge market for that.
[06:08] <holstein> well, glad to have you in the community
[06:08] <holstein> it would be nice to have some users of the software
[06:08] <Curly_Q> Office Max makes $1,200.00/customer for data recovery.
[06:08] <holstein> that can afford to financially contribute :)
[06:08] <holstein> most of us are just broke musicians
[06:09] <Curly_Q> Well, I try not to be broke. it cost money to feed myself and live in a nice place.
[06:09] <holstein> well, im sure 300,000+ helps :)
[06:09] <Curly_Q> I try not to cut corners even when I type sentences. It all comes back to you eventually.
[06:10] <Curly_Q> The more work you put into anything the more the returns are.
[06:10] <holstein> yeah, in theory
[06:10] <Curly_Q> Actually in practice.
[06:11] <holstein> yeah, you're right
[06:11] <Curly_Q> People pay more attention to you if you have a plan.
[06:11] <holstein> all the returns are not financial in nature
[06:11] <Curly_Q> That's true.
[06:11] <Curly_Q> I agree.
[06:11] <Curly_Q> It is good to be flexible.
[06:12] <Curly_Q> Is the ISO I am downloading a kernel of the Ubuntustudio?
[06:12] <Curly_Q> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/
[06:13] <holstein> well
[06:13] <holstein> to be presice
[06:13] <Curly_Q> Or is it an installation?
[06:13] <holstein> linux is the kernel
[06:13] <Curly_Q> True.
[06:13] <holstein> ubuntu is the operating system
[06:13] <Curly_Q> True.
[06:13] <holstein> the kernels are all the same
[06:13] <holstein> you can get whatever kernel you need from the repos
[06:13] <Curly_Q> So this is a kernel with the programs associated?
[06:13] <holstein> from any official buntu install
[06:14] <holstein> Curly_Q: you'll get the linux-generic kernel
[06:14] <Curly_Q> I am very familiar with installing Linux.
[06:14] <Curly_Q> That's OK.
[06:14] <holstein> and the packages associated with ubuntustudio
[06:14] <Curly_Q> I was just curious about the kernel and is it a stripped down version of the Kernel with the programs on it?
[06:15] <holstein> the kernel is the same
[06:15] <holstein> the same kernel you would get in ubuntu
[06:15] <holstein> a -generic one
[06:15] <holstein> with the same hardware support rolled in
[06:15] <holstein> theres not really any programs on the kernel
[06:15] <holstein> AFAIK
[06:16] <holstein> you can get lowerlatency kernels if needed
[06:16] <Curly_Q> I am sure I will find out when I install it.
[06:17] <Curly_Q> I suppose if I installed a bare-bones Linux kernel and did the above apt-get that would suffice.
[06:17] <holstein> depends
[06:17] <holstein> i mean, the kernel has some driver support
[06:17] <holstein> so that can effect your graphics card for one thing
[06:18] <holstein> or wireless
[06:18] <holstein> i suppose you could apt-get modules or firmware or whatever
[06:18] <holstein> if you need
[06:18] <holstein> i find that in ubuntu
[06:18] <holstein> i try to stick to what ubuntu is expecting
[06:18] <Curly_Q> I guess what you are saying is that the ubuntustudio has the drivers incorporated with the kernel to make it all happen.
[06:18] <holstein> package-wise
[06:19] <holstein> trying to use the stuff from the repos first when possible
[06:19] <holstein> then PPA
[06:19] <holstein> then some .deb or building
[06:19] <holstein> Curly_Q: well what i saying is, ubuntustudio uses the same kernel as ubuntu
[06:20] <Curly_Q> Funny thing is that I came here because I was surfing on the Google and thought first to try Anthony.freenode.net to see if there was a #ubuntustudio channel. My guess was correct.
[06:20] <holstein> yup
[06:20] <holstein> we're here
[06:20] <Curly_Q> This is my first time here.
[06:21] <holstein> i thought i had seen your nick before
[06:21] <holstein> but lots of nicks come and go
[06:21] <Curly_Q> I am all over the IRC.
[06:21] <holstein> congrats
[06:21] <Curly_Q> I am lots of time helping on the #Ubuntu channel or the #Windows channel.
[06:22] <holstein> yeah
[06:22] <holstein> i avoid those
[06:22] <holstein> i help here
[06:22] <Curly_Q> I teach Computer classes such as A+ and more.
[06:22] <holstein> and sometimes in #ubuntu-beginners
[06:22] <holstein> but #ubuntu
[06:22] <holstein> thats a mess
[06:23] <Curly_Q> Yeah, those channels are brutal if you don't know how to hold your own. Lots of the technicians are puffed up with themselves. They think of themselves as gods.
[06:23] <Curly_Q> They hate it when I correct them.
[06:24] <holstein> well, you can hang out here and correct me all you want
[06:24] <Curly_Q> I can type faster than they can too. They hate that and think that I am a bot.
[06:25] <Curly_Q> The other day when the Japan earthquake happened, I put in a comment that there was an impending Tsunami coming for Hawaii and the Philippines. The OPS there said: "You are off topic.. He kicked me from the channel.
[06:27] <Curly_Q> Can you imagine that?
[06:27] <holstein> its challenging though
[06:27] <holstein> i mean, this channel is too
[06:27] <holstein> and i like to be loose with it
[06:27] <holstein> since its so small
[06:27] <holstein> and we are trying to build a community
[06:28] <holstein> BUT, with a channel like that
[06:28] <Curly_Q> It was human life. Did you see the the videos of the Tsunami?
[06:28] <holstein> i can only imagine the stress
[06:29] <Curly_Q> Someone on the IRC on another channel #Windows told me thanks from Hawaii. He heard the air RAIDS sirens and didn't know what it was.
[06:30] <Curly_Q> I saved a life and the OPS is only concerned about CAPS. What does that tell you?
[06:31] <Curly_Q> The news today says that 3 Nuclear Power Plants are in trouble there.
[06:31] <Curly_Q> One would be bad enough.
[06:31] <holstein> yeah, i was catching up on that earlier
[06:32] <Curly_Q> Like Chernoble.
[06:32] <holstein> rough over there
[06:32] <holstein> well, with chernobyl, i think there was somewhere for folks to go
[06:32] <Curly_Q> Yes, I was off topic warning people though.
[06:32] <holstein> or more places for folk to go
[06:32] <holstein> we'll see
[06:33] <holstein> might not be as bad as all that
[06:33] <holstein> anyways, i gotta crash
[06:33] <Curly_Q> The government witheld the Chernobyl incident as much as they could untill they needed aid from the United States.
[06:33] <holstein> Curly_Q: GN
[06:33] <Curly_Q> Nice meeting you Holstein.
[06:33] <Curly_Q> Thanks for the info.
[06:35] <Curly_Q> Good night folks. I hope all here have a great day today.
[22:41] <alberto> Hello
[22:42] <alberto> Does anybody know anything about using VST Instruments on Ubuntu via Jack?
[23:29] <Buggaboo> hi guys
[23:30] <Buggaboo> I want to extract a certain length of sound from a wav. What do I use?
[23:41] <ailo> Buggaboo, check out Audacity. It's a audio-file-editor, and perfect for things like that.
[23:41] <Buggaboo> excellent.
[23:41] <Buggaboo> thanks.