[12:48] <Kamion> Keybuk: s/pedant/build-essential-maint/
[12:51] <mjg59> Kamion: Damn you for getting back before me
[12:59] <Keybuk> *sigh* weather applet has gone into a cyclone of hate
[01:04] <Kamion> mjg59: and I even had time for a glass of orange juice to absorb the BEER
[01:04] <Kamion> and it just took me three goes to type "absorb"
[01:05] <Keybuk> drunk :o)
[01:21] <daniels> Kamion: the orange juice didn't contain vodka, did it?
[01:21] <daniels> that can certainly negatively impact your ability to type 'absorb'
[01:21] <Keybuk> mmm... vodka
[01:22] <Keybuk> heh, alright for some.  none for us from Spain
[01:22] <Kamion> daniels: negatively impact your ability to absorb, for that matter
[01:23] <daniels> Kamion: (how many goes?)
[01:24] <Kamion> just the one that time
[01:25] <daniels> Kamion: i'll smack you if hoary-changes (amusingly, I typoed both 'changes' and 'typoed', quite badly [and 'badly'] ), I'll smack you
[01:26] <daniels> er
[01:26] <daniels> that sentence reads like it's I that's just come back from the pub.  so let's just pretend this never happened, I'll go back to GTA:SA, and we can all move on. :)
[01:26] <Kamion> was there going to be a point to that sentence? :)
[01:27] <daniels> Kamion: if hoary-changes lights up with your name, I'll smack you ;)
[01:27] <Kamion> ah
[01:27] <daniels> public service
[01:27] <daniels> that was the point I was lamely attempting to convey
[01:27] <Kamion> fortunately I uploaded python2.4 before leaving for the pub
[01:27] <daniels> heh
[01:27] <Kamion> no, I'm just surreptitiously poking at cdimage behind the scenes. that can do no harm at all, can it? :)
[01:31] <Kamion> little things like the cdimage signing key
[01:33] <daniels> heh
[01:34] <daniels> at least elmo will know where to look ;)
[02:06] <Keybuk> it's when he starts fiddling with germinate you have to worry
[02:10] <Kamion> Keybuk: yeah, only FREAKS work on germinate
[02:11] <Kamion> basic regular expressions suck. no '+'?!
[02:11] <Kamion> (not surprised, just discover new dimensions of hate every time I run into that lack-of-feature)
[02:12] <daniels> the kamion cyclone of hate
[02:14] <Kamion> beer-powered cyclone
[02:20] <Kamion> unfortunately it's sed, and busybox sed doesn't have -r
[02:21] <Keybuk> aww
[02:31] <davyd> bug report for the latest installer image
[02:31] <davyd> you are depending on the python module UserDict
[02:31] <davyd> which you don't have
[02:32] <Kamion> davyd: fixed earlier today
[02:32] <davyd> Kamion: are the CD images rsyncable ?
[02:32] <Kamion> yes
[02:33] <davyd> excellent, is there an appropriate URL ?
[02:33] <Kamion> there isn't a new CD image with that fix yet though, wait 9 hours or so
[02:33] <davyd> aah right
[02:33] <davyd> I'm already going to not have a working system when I go to work... ;)
[02:33] <Kamion> rsync://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/current/
[02:33] <davyd> the fix, it's quick and nasty, is to netcat it off another Ubuntu machine
[02:34] <davyd> or I guess python installation in general
[02:34] <Kamion> I just moved UserDict into python2.4-minimal, that's the correct fix
[02:34] <davyd> Kamion: doesn't help if all you have is a bad CD image though ;)
[02:34] <Kamion> since os.py depends on it
[02:34] <Kamion> shouldn't use dailies if you need something that works :)
[02:35] <davyd> Kamion: I know that, but it seemed like the fastest way to get Hoary
[02:35] <Kamion> that's what the Array CD series is for
[02:35] <davyd> array series?
[02:35] <Kamion> the installer in the dailies might be arbitrarily broken
[02:35] <Kamion> search for "Subject: Array CD 2" in ubuntu-users
[02:36] <Kamion> hm, I can roll a new CD image now if it'd help, but it'll take an hour or so
[02:36] <davyd> nah, I got it installed
[02:36] <Kamion> ok
[02:36] <davyd> like I said, I copied the module across via netcat
[02:36] <Kamion> heh. could also have extracted it from python2.4_*.deb, which is on the CD
[02:37] <davyd> Kamion: yeah, I had wondered about that, but I just wasn't sure of the specifics
[02:37] <davyd> why is it done with a minimal and the real thing?
[02:37] <Kamion> or indeed an easier fix, 'nano /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary' and add 'python python2.4 libbz2-1.0 libdb4.2 libssl0.9.7' to the end of the required= line
[02:37] <Kamion> because we have a goal for hoary to put python into Essential, i.e. the minimal set of stuff required for the packaging system to work
[02:38] <davyd> also, there really needs to be a simple netinst CD that will suck all these packages off the net for me, is there any chance of ever seeing one?
[02:38] <davyd> Kamion: aah, I see
[02:38] <Kamion> there's a netboot image
[02:39] <davyd> I couldn't find it, so maybe it's nicely hidden
[02:39] <Kamion> yep
[02:39] <Kamion> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[02:39] <davyd> not just a little hidden, really very hidden ;)
[02:39] <Kamion> not hugely keen on advertising it too widely at the moment because it isn't well-tested, and particularly in the development branch it's very fragile
[02:40] <davyd> Kamion: *nod*
[02:40] <Kamion> but you're right, we should probably advertise it more widely for the hoary release
[02:40] <Kamion> not to mention making it work better
[02:41] <davyd> oh well, hopefully I can at least rsync my home directory back onto this machine before I have to go to work
[02:41] <davyd> then I can finish setting it up at work ;)
[02:41] <davyd> that's not pretty
[02:42] <davyd> filesystem type unknown 0x7
[02:47] <davyd> hmm, grub had decided that all partitions were on /dev/hda1
[02:48] <Kamion> you may need to do this in /boot/grub/menu.lst:
[02:48] <Kamion> map (hd0) (hd1)
[02:48] <Kamion> map (hd1) (hd0)
[02:48] <Kamion> (in the Windows chainloader section)
[02:48] <Kamion> I'd make that happen automatically if I had a clue how to detect the systems where it's needed
[02:49] <Keybuk> isn't it needed wherever Windows is on a different drive?
[02:50] <Kamion> non-hda/sda you mean? how do you tell which of IDE and SCSI is first if both are present?
[02:50] <tseng> only if windows isnt on the first master drive
[02:50] <davyd> also, why does it want to run aptitude?
[02:50] <romspaceni> is unbutu like debian?
[02:51] <Kamion> davyd: the full aptitude UI? probably because the ubuntu-desktop task was uninstallable in the image you downloaded
[02:51] <davyd> Kamion: nice
[02:51] <Kamion> which http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html would tend to support
[02:51] <davyd> can I installed it and get it to finish the config process?
[02:51] <Kamion> yes, go down to tasks, drill down 'til you see ubuntu-desktop, install that, ignore broken stuff
[02:52] <Keybuk> yeah, current hoary is uninstallable
[02:52] <Keybuk> elmo sucks and hasn't processed NEW
[02:52] <Kamion> romspaceni: "Ubuntu"; in many ways yes, in some ways not, depends what you're asking about :)
[02:52] <Kamion> I thought he had, I saw stuff in my hoary seed diff mail
[02:52] <davyd> perhaps I should have installed warty and dist-upgraded
[02:52] <Keybuk> davyd: same problem
[02:52] <Keybuk> install of ubuntu-desktop's deps except evolution
[02:53] <Keybuk> The following packages have been kept back:
[02:53] <Keybuk>   evolution evolution-data-server libebook1.2-0 libedataserverui1.2-0
[02:55] <davyd> oh right, I can build evo debs
[02:55] <davyd> work time though
[02:55] <davyd> later all
[02:55] <Kamion> Keybuk: what's it waiting for?
[02:56] <Keybuk> not sure, some evo dep
[02:57] <Keybuk> evolution-exchange hasn't been updated yet, so probably something under that
[02:57] <Keybuk> ask seb
[02:57] <Keybuk> in fact, it looks to me like seb was mistaken and he hasn't uploaded evolution-exchange
[03:01] <Kamion> maybe I should just create a zoneinfo-udeb
[03:02] <Kamion> it would be kind of nice if the timezone question came right after language and country, but that's Hard
[03:12] <daniels> elmo: I have so much respect that I can now run a three-man gang.
[03:30] <mjg59> daniels: Haha
[03:30] <mjg59> How long have you had it?
[04:04] <lamont> daniels: you around>?
[04:47] <daniels> lamont: got your email
[04:47] <daniels> mjg59: two days
[04:47] <lamont> daniels: cool
[04:53] <moquist> is there a mailing list I can query about finding a mentor so I can learn to create ubuntu packages?
[04:54] <moquist> (I think I saw one mentioned here once)
[05:02] <tseng> moquist: actually, you should know a good bit before you try and get a mentor
[05:02] <tseng> start reading the new maintainer handbook and the deb policy
[05:02] <tseng> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[05:11] <moquist> tseng: I've been through much of the deb policy doc.  The deb maint-guide looks great; I'm still looking for the new maint handbook.  Thanks for your help, btw.
[05:11] <tseng> that is the new maint guide
[05:11] <moquist> tseng: Oh; I assumed it was an ubuntu doc.
[05:11] <tseng> it covers almost everything around package creation + maintainence
[05:12] <tseng> ubuntu does a few things a little different on the backend of things, but i dont think there is a comprehensive doc
[05:12] <moquist> tseng: btw, the package I'm interested in is the LTSP.  Do you know if anyone is already working on it?  I know it's on Mark's list of things to do for Hoary.  (It could be done for all I know - I've been on vacation for a week and haven't checked.  ;)
[05:12] <tseng> there is a debian page of packages on the wishlist
[05:13] <tseng> its mentioned in the new maint guide, i believe
[05:14] <sivang> moquist: there isn't such, at least not yet.
[05:14] <moquist> sivang: k; thx.
[05:15] <sivang> moquist: there are plans to extend the ubuntu set of new maint docs, but there is a new page on the wiki with some starters for interested people.
[05:15] <moquist> sivang: that's where I found myself while looking for a new Ubuntu maintainer handbook.
[05:16] <moquist> sivang: it's already helping.  :)
[05:17] <sivang> moquist: eh ok :) great, the doc team intends to invest some effort into that matter eventually :)
[05:19] <tseng> moquist: oh also
[05:19] <tseng> install and read the docs for cdbs
[05:24] <moquist> tseng: am doing.  thx.
[05:24] <sivang> tseng: there are docs now? :)
[05:24] <tseng> sivang: enough to get started at least
[05:25] <sivang> tseng: what's the pkg name?
[05:25] <sivang> tseng: (for docs)
[05:26] <tseng> cdbs
[05:26] <sivang> eh :0
[05:26] <sivang> :)
[05:26] <sivang> k, thanks
[05:26] <tseng> i dont recall if they were packaged or on the site
[05:27] <tseng> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[05:27] <sivang> tseng: I can't see no doc dir , probably on the wiki..
[05:38] <jbailey> Err, did I fail to include the docs in the package?
[05:38] <sivang> jbailey: if you would, it would have appeared under /usr/share/cdbs/doc  no?
[05:38] <jbailey> I know we generate some basic docs.
[05:38] <jbailey> /usr/share/doc/cdbs, but yeah.
[05:39] <sivang> jbailey: eh ok :) it's there.
[05:39] <sivang> my abd
[05:39] <sivang> *bad
[05:41] <daniels> jbailey: hey dude.  good somewhere-other-than-work period?
[05:42] <jbailey> daniels: Nope, still working evenings.  This should be the last one.  If you /msg, I'll answer but a bit lagged.
[05:42] <daniels> jbailey: Ah, nice one.
[05:42] <jbailey> sivang: While I'm around, I'll try to answer cdbs questions.
[05:43] <sivang> jbailey: eh nice , I have one for you!
[05:43] <sivang> :)
[05:44] <sivang> jbailey: I have a couple of docs files I want to register against docbase or scrollkeeper (well, mostly scrollkeeper as I want them to appear in yelp) how can I use cdbs to do that?
[05:44] <sivang> jbailey: so after I install the pacakge, I would have the docs viewable from yelp. those are DocBook XML sources.
[05:46] <jbailey> I think there's a debhelper module for that, no?
[05:46] <jbailey> The best bet when there's a debhelper module is to set those files up and just use debhelper.mk
[05:49] <sivang> jbailey: ok, I have tried setting them up and called debhelper class - guess my omf is not complete or wrong. tnx anyway.
[06:11] <srbaker> anyone know where i can get ant and other jakarta utils packaged for ubuntu?
[06:19] <sivang> jbailey: from the man pages of the dh_scrollkeeper command, I don't quite understand where it exepcts the files to be, could you toss a hint here?
[06:28] <jbailey> Oh, oy.  I haven't used dh_scrollkeeper.  Might best ask some gnome hackers.
[06:33] <crimsun> sivang: debian/$package/var/... if you're using dh_scrollkeeper
[06:33] <crimsun> gnome.mk calls it
[06:45] <sivang> crimsun: could you offer a better way then using the gnome build class? it exepcts autotools and others, which I can include int he docs pkg but would prefer to pass, or is it compulsory for registering dobook docs using cdbs?
[06:47] <crimsun> sivang: afaik it's the preferred method. seb128 would be the one to ask.
[06:51] <sivang> crimsun: tnx
[06:53] <crimsun> np
[08:43] <davyd> arrg, ubuntu-desktop is still uninstallable
[08:50] <Treenaks> davyd: gnome-related brokenness?
[08:50] <davyd> Treenaks: evolution-exchange is uninstallabe
[08:50] <Treenaks> blame seb128 :)
[08:50] <Treenaks> we do
[08:51] <davyd> I can do that
[08:51] <davyd> Kahn!!!^WSeb!!!
[08:52] <davyd> I'm trying to work out how to work around the missing dependancy
[08:52] <Treenaks> apt-get -f install?
[08:53] <Treenaks> or recompile ubuntu-meta ?
[09:24] <davyd> someone should upgrade the kernel to include Orinoco 0.15, rather then 0.13e
[09:24] <davyd> magic will happen, like working AP scanning
[09:31] <Treenaks> davyd: poke fabbione
[09:31] <davyd> heh
[09:31] <davyd> I might have a swing at packaging it later, although I suspect this will require some magic, like perhaps learning how to do diversions
[09:32] <davyd> since I'll want to install using filenames already in the tree
[09:32] <Treenaks> fabbione updated loads of drivers for 2.6.10
[09:32] <davyd> is that packaged now?
[09:32] <crimsun> hm. I'm thinking bittorrent* in hoary needs to be recompiled against current python2.4
[09:32] <Treenaks> I think so
[09:33] <davyd> quick question, what's the incantation ubuntu uses for wireless cards?
[09:34] <davyd> I saw it earlier
[09:34] <davyd> but this time I installed off ethernet
[09:37] <Treenaks> uh isn't it all in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:37] <Treenaks> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:37] <Treenaks>         name Wireless LAN card
[09:37] <Treenaks>         wireless_essid youressid
[09:37] <Treenaks>         wireless_key yourwepkey
[09:40] <davyd> Treenaks: it didn't write it there for me
[09:40] <davyd> there is a whacky mappings section too
[09:40] <davyd> which is what I'm vague on
[09:40] <Treenaks> oh I have that too :)
[09:40] <Treenaks> it's there so when you hotplug the card it gets ifupped
[09:41] <Treenaks> mapping hotplug
[09:41] <Treenaks>         script grep
[09:41] <Treenaks>         map eth0
[09:41] <davyd> it has similar sections for ethernet as well?
[09:42] <Treenaks> ppp0 in my case, but yes
[09:42] <Treenaks> but I don't hotplug my ppp connections ;)
[09:50] <abelli> kamion: ping
[10:21] <fabbione> morning
[10:21] <abelli> ciao
[10:22] <fabbione> ciao
[10:23] <Treenaks> fabbione: you've been poked by davyd
[10:24] <davyd> morning fabbione
[10:24] <davyd> I was wondering if you were going to package Orinoco 0.15 with your kernels any time soon?
[10:24] <fabbione> guys i am really sick today
[10:24] <fabbione> i am not working since yesterday
[10:24] <fabbione> just checking emergency emails before crashing again
[10:25] <davyd> that's cool
[10:25] <Treenaks> fabbione: well, good luck then
[10:25] <fabbione> davyd: please send me all the details of the driver including upstream url and stuff like that
[10:25] <fabbione> this wlan stuff should die
[10:25] <davyd> fabbione: ok, I'll get around to it once I unfuck my laptop
[10:25] <fabbione> they don't deserve all this attention
[10:26] <davyd> it might have been merged into 2.6.10... I haven't checked
[10:27] <fabbione> please do
[11:15] <fabbione> humpf
[11:15] <fabbione> there is a big regression in 2.6.10
[11:15] <fabbione> pcmcia_core has been renamed to pcmcia
[11:16] <Treenaks> urgh
[11:18] <mvo> 2.6.10 has some problems with my system ... I got two hangs at startup so far
[11:19] <Treenaks> I had a nice one with my Via X driver.. it starts fine, but as soon as the first windows needs to be filled X crashes with "Inappropriate ioctl for device"  (this is Debian sid)
[11:19] <fabbione> mvo: 2.6.10 isn't the best we could get from upstream
[11:19] <mvo> yeah :/
[11:20] <fabbione> uh yeah
[11:20] <fabbione> pcmcia udebs are cracked
[11:48] <lupusBE> jdub: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162414 what do you think :)
[11:59] <fabbione> hmmm no
[11:59] <fabbione> pcmcia_core is still there
[11:59] <fabbione> these gratuitos CONFIG_* rename are really a pain in the ass
[01:13] <pitti> Hi folks
[01:14] <Treenaks> hey pitti
[01:14] <sjoerd> pitti: morning
[01:18] <ogra> hi pitti
[01:19] <lupusBE> daniels: how is xcb doing?
[01:25] <Kamion> abelli: pings should include content :)
[01:31] <abelli> Kamion: ping foreach (hoary's grub-instal)  do-es (break grub)
[01:31] <Kamion> well, if you know how to fix it ... :)
[01:31] <Kamion> it's been working for me
[01:32] <abelli> Kamion: i tried to install array-2 hoary and then at reboot-time it prints the word "GRUB" endlessly
[01:33] <abelli> Kamion(it's been working... ;): im happy for you :)
[01:34] <Kamion> you'll need to (a) file a bug rather than doing this on IRC (b) dig down a bit into what grub-installer is doing
[01:34] <abelli> Kamion: i'd love to... may be can you tell me how?
[01:35] <Kamion> normal shell tracing tools, 'set -x', then look at how it's calling grub and do that by hand, etc.
[01:36] <Kamion> I can't teach you how to debug, though :)
[01:36] <abelli> Kamion: why not Her Professor ;)?
[01:37] <Kamion> (that would be "Herr")
[01:37] <abelli> oops.. sorry
[01:38] <abelli> like miyagi and daniel san
[01:39] <abelli> :) you teach.. i "wax on".. "wax off" :)
[01:39] <Kamion> we really need somebody else on the team who's better at dealing with bootloader problems
[01:39] <Kamion> no, I simply can't teach how to debug, it's like teaching how to walk or something :)
[01:39] <abelli> well birds follow other birds to learn how to fly..
[01:39] <abelli> ;) can i follow you ?
[01:40] <Kamion> bit hard considering you're not in the same place
[01:40] <Kamion> the only way to learn is to try
[01:41] <Treenaks> abelli: just compile something with debugging symbols and run it in gcc
[01:41] <Treenaks> abelli: uh gdb
[01:41] <Treenaks> abelli: then get out the gdb manual and start poking around :)
[01:41] <Kamion> (grub-installer is shell so doesn't need debugging symbols)
[01:41] <abelli> Kamion: that's what i was talkin about
[01:41] <Treenaks> Kamion: oh wait.. it's shell..
[01:53] <abelli> Treenaks: Perl Debugger power ;)
[01:53] <Treenaks> abelli: perl debugger is scary.. I debug perl with warn()s
[01:53] <Treenaks> abelli: and I debug XS modules using gdb :)
[01:53] <Kamion> abelli: anyway, regardless, please file a bug about bugs rather than asking me about them on IRC, thanks. :)
[01:54] <abelli> Kamion: ups sorry i just thought this was the 2nd part of the discussion we had...mmm... yesterday
[02:34] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[02:36] <davyd> can someone paste the magic -mapping- lines from /etc/network/interfaces please?
[02:38] <Treenaks> davyd: again? :)
[02:39] <Treenaks> mapping hotplug
[02:39] <Treenaks>         script grep
[02:39] <Treenaks>         map eth0
[02:39] <davyd> Treenaks: I kinda lost it ;)
[02:40] <davyd> perhaps I suck ;)
[02:40] <Treenaks> davyd: "DOH" :)
[02:41] <fabbione> does anybody know if ipw2200 firmwares require any special naming?
[02:41] <fabbione> apparently they have been renamed recently and i would kinda like to avoid to break
[03:08] <mjg59> fabbione: Ok, I haven't managed to break 2.6.10 yet
[03:14] <fabbione> mjg59: good for you :-)))
[03:15] <fabbione> pcmcia is broken because of pcmcia_core being compiled in instead of module
[03:39] <mjg59> fabbione: Oh. Whoops.
[03:39] <mjg59> Anyone here running on the vesa framebuffer?
[04:08] <davyd> gah, where is the SSL in Evolution gone?
[04:08] <Treenaks> davyd: #5093
[04:08] <Treenaks> davyd: and http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=70895
[04:22] <davyd> interesting
[04:22] <davyd> and here I was blaming Ubuntu
[04:23] <davyd> although, I'm still tempted to, I think it might be fixed in cVS
[04:23] <lupusBE> if the bugreport is set to fixed
[04:23] <lupusBE> it is in cvs
[04:25] <davyd> good point
[04:25] <lupusBE> :)
[04:25] <davyd> I'll rephrase
[04:26] <davyd> when building CVS, I did not notice that
[04:26] <robtaylor_> hmm, is the fastbootup stuff in hoary now?
[04:52] <davyd> hmm, seb was complaining recently about the AC adapter not sendings events properly
[04:52] <davyd> now that I'm running Ubuntu on the same hardware... this is a damned Ubuntu bug
[04:52] <davyd> only I don't know where
[05:06] <shaya> anyone using evolution w/ ssl?
[05:07] <davyd> shaya: it's broken
[05:07] <davyd> I've already complained about it
[05:07] <lupusBE>  XInternAtom
[05:07] <lupusBE> davyd: and http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=70895
[05:07] <lupusBE> copy paste :)
[05:08] <shaya> sigh
[05:13] <shaya> fsck
[05:13] <shaya> downgraded and now it crashes on startup
[05:15] <davyd> shaya: evolution-data-server will need downgrading too
[05:16] <davyd> I should downgrade, but I'm not sure I can arsed
[05:20] <shaya> I did
[05:20] <davyd> and restarting?
[05:20] <shaya> Version: 1.1.1-0ubuntu1
[05:20] <shaya> yes
[05:20] <shaya> slay'd me
[05:20] <shaya> restarted d-bus
[05:21] <davyd> ok, apparently Ubuntu sucks ;)
[05:21] <shaya> what I dont get is why in the world do package upgrades require me to restart
[05:22] <davyd> because you can't replacing running shared libraries easily?
[05:23] <shaya> breaking out thunderbird
[05:33] <siretart> shaya: ah, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that problem :)
[05:47] <pitti> mvo: can I tell apt-get to ignore failed signatures? I would like to install some packages from woody (for upgrading tests)
[05:52] <fabbione> pitti: it's almost the end of 2004
[05:53] <pitti> fabbione: indeed
[05:53] <fabbione> you are supposed to be out getting drunk and having fun
[05:53] <pitti> fabbione: I go to our party in about an hour
[05:53] <davyd> 2004 was like an hour ago
[05:53] <pitti> davyd: happy new year!
[05:53] <fabbione> davyd: 2005 is a few hours ahead here
[05:53] <fabbione> ;)
[05:53] <pitti> fabbione: what about you, when you will leave?
[05:53] <fabbione> pitti: i won't
[05:53] <fabbione> <- doesn't feel good
[05:53] <pitti> oh?
[05:54] <fabbione> i will have some quiet dinner here at home
[05:54] <fabbione> that's it
[05:54] <pitti> fabbione: I wish you a nice evening anyway!
[05:54] <fabbione> pitti: nah don't worry
[05:55] <pitti> and everybody else, too
[05:55] <fabbione> i hate all these holidays anyway
[05:55] <fabbione> ;)
[05:55] <fabbione> have fun man
[05:55] <pitti> I will
[05:55] <fabbione> and see you next year
[05:55] <ogra> pitti: guten rutsch ;)
[05:55] <fabbione> ehhe
[05:55] <pitti> .. and I prepared lots of food
[05:55] <pitti> ogra: Dir auch!
[05:55] <fabbione> fooood.. hmmm
[05:55] <fabbione> i am hungry
[05:56] <pitti> fabbione: I prepared fish with vegetables and potatoes, salad and chocolate pudding with vanilla sauce
[05:56] <fabbione> hmmmm
[05:56] <fabbione> not bad
[05:56] <fabbione> i am going to have "fondue"
[05:56] <fabbione> basically it's a big pot of boiling oil
[05:56] <pitti> fabbione: oh, I like fondue, too
[05:57] <fabbione> ah ok.. so you know what it is
[05:57] <fabbione> with salad, vegetables
[05:57] <fabbione> and garlic bread
[05:57] <pitti> hmmm
[05:57] <fabbione> + some kind of sweets
[05:57] <fabbione> i still have to decide which ones
[05:57] <pitti> fabbione: just take all :-)
[05:57] <fabbione> thanks god i only have some fever
[05:57] <fabbione> and i didn't lost appetite :PO
[05:57] <pitti> fabbione: if you are still hungry, that's a good sign
[05:57] <fabbione> pitti: yeah i know
[05:58] <fabbione> but i never loose my appetite
[05:58] <fabbione> even with 40 of fever
[05:58] <pitti> so long, I wish everybody a happy evening! See you next year!
[05:58] <fabbione> cya pitti!
[05:58] <ogra> ciao
[05:58] <fabbione> happy new root hole
[05:58] <pitti> ciao
[05:58] <fabbione> ogra: have fun too
[05:58] <davyd> * pitti cares for his gf now and goes to party :-)
 happy new root hole
[05:58] <davyd> mmm, context
[05:59] <fabbione> davyd: pitti is our security release guy ;)
[05:59] <ogra> fabbione: you too ;) have a nice silent one
[05:59] <fabbione> the one that does the USN :-)
[06:00] <davyd> it occurs to me, it's probably only funny if you're Australian
[06:00] <davyd> never mind
[06:00] <ogra> *g*
[06:00] <Treenaks> fabbione: kernel souls? ;)
[06:00] <fabbione> Treenaks: SOULS
[06:00] <davyd> oh, I think my laptop boots
[06:00] <fabbione> all our users souls
[06:00] <davyd> I only had to rebuild the kernel exporting symbols I shouldn't
[06:00] <Treenaks> fabbione: KERNEL SOULS?
[06:00] <davyd> and build a 10 month old nvidia driver
[06:00] <fabbione> USERS SOULS
[06:01] <Treenaks> fabbione: even better :)
[06:01] <fabbione> ehehhe
[06:01] <fabbione> including your
[06:01] <fabbione> Uha UHA UHA
[06:01] <Treenaks> fabbione: I'm a UBUNTITE
[06:01] <Treenaks> (or something)
[06:02] <fabbione> Treenaks: something :-)=
[06:02] <fabbione> the queen is talking on the radio
[06:02] <fabbione> boring
[06:02] <Treenaks> fabbione: queen of what?
[06:02] <fabbione> Denmark
[06:03] <Treenaks> they have a queen there?
[06:03] <Treenaks> hm.
[06:03] <fabbione> yeah they do
[06:05] <davyd> is she Australian?
[06:05] <davyd> or is that the princess
[06:05] <davyd> or is that the Dutch?
[06:06] <fabbione> the princess is from australia
[06:06] <fabbione> the big fat wedding was like in Aug
[06:06] <fabbione> or something like that
[06:08] <Treenaks> davyd: no, the Dutch crown prince married Argentinian woman.. daughter of a minister from $oppressinggovernment..
[06:08] <Treenaks> +an
[06:09] <fabbione> bah it's all the same crap
[06:09] <fabbione> they just eat and live with our money (taxes)
[06:10] <fabbione> and don't tell me they do something important more than a few speeches here and there
[06:10] <fabbione> because i really find them useless
[06:12] <fabbione> i am off guys
[06:12] <ogra> ciao
[06:12] <fabbione> for you lifeless creatures that will stay on the net....
[06:12] <fabbione> 2.6.10-2 is on the way and it should fix some regressions
[06:12] <fabbione> have fun
[06:12] <fabbione> ciao ogra
[06:13] <ogra> :)
[06:16] <Treenaks> yay.. Walking Bookmark Repository strikes again (ubuntu-users@)
[06:18] <ogra> Treenaks: Walking Bookmark Repository ?
[06:18] <Treenaks> ogra: see my mail on -users (about shell scripts ;))
[06:18] <Treenaks> ogra: people sometimes  call me a walking bookmark repository
[06:19] <Treenaks> ogra: because of the URLs I keep shouting at them :)
[06:19] <ogra> ah, not here yet ;)
[06:19] <ogra> did you send a abs-howto link ;)
[06:19] <Treenaks> ogra: not quite
[06:19] <Treenaks> Message-ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <sladen> okay.  looks like o#ubuntu we have a widely found issue of the GDM panels starting but nothing more getting loaded
[06:24] <sladen> only fix seems to be reboot;  but with me it's currently 100% failure rate.  Any GNOME people want to give me a hand in what to hunt down?
[06:25] <Treenaks> sladen: killing gnome-vfs-daemon and blocking programs also fixes it 50% of the time for me
[06:26] <sladen> blocking programs?
[06:26] <Treenaks> sladen: programs that hang
[06:27] <Treenaks> sladen: the panel, nautilus etc.
[06:27] <ogra> sladen: it often happens for people that ran nautilus as root....
[06:27] <Treenaks> ogra: I didn't do that, it still happens
[06:28] <ogra> Treenaks: i didnt say you did that, and i assume you got hoary anyway.....
[06:28] <sladen> ogra: okay, we can discount that theory then
[06:28] <Treenaks> ogra: oh this is a warty thing?
[06:28] <ogra> Treenaks: afaik a chown -r can solve it on warty
[06:29] <sladen> I (think) I've had it under Warty.  However it'd been getting worse (1 in 6 say) and now with a full dist-upgrade 1 hour ago it's 100% (so far) failure
[06:29] <Treenaks> ogra: oh that's the ICEAuthority thing? from running K3B as root?
[06:30] <ogra> Treenaks: nope, thats running nautilus as root for editing the "system" app menu.....
[06:30] <Treenaks> ah ok
[06:30] <ogra> which is kind of nonsense
[06:31] <sladen> interesting.  Left it five minutes.  Reappeared at the GDM login screen (presumbley a watchdog).  Loged in again and it came up immediately
[06:31] <Treenaks> yikes.. ruby looks like the evil mutant child of perl and python
[06:31] <sladen> Treenaks: correct :-)
[06:32] <ogra> sladen: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:33] <sladen> gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds = -1
[06:33] <sladen> wonder if it's related to session handling.  Lets try and break it again
[06:34] <sladen> progressive.  Background *and* show-all-windows applet
[06:36] <ogra> sladen: tried with a fresh user ?
[06:37] <trulux> hi!
[06:37] <sladen> ogra: interesting idea
[06:38] <ogra> sladen: ...to divide between config and program errors
[06:38] <Treenaks> ogra: unless the program writes b0rken config files
[06:39] <ogra> Treenaks: true :)
[06:39] <sladen> fresh new user comes up great with only an error 'no volume control elements or devices found', which I presume is Audio rather than Disk related
[06:40] <ogra> sladen: a group thing, new users have less group permissions
[06:40] <sladen> logout, login as me again == failure
[06:40] <ogra> sladen: so i assume its something in your config
[06:42] <sladen> gdm restart && login as 'fred flintstone' brings up ''I've detected a panel already running and will now exit''
[06:42] <sladen> leaving poor 'fred' with nothing but a background
[06:42] <ogra> sladen: thats a known one...kill the running panel.....
[06:43] <sladen> sudo pkill -u fred
[06:43] <ogra> yep....
[06:44] <davyd> woo! it only too a custom kernel, 8 month old graphics drivers, and a magic xorg config
[06:44] <davyd> but I think I have my laptop basically working again
[06:44] <sladen> login again as 'fred'  and failure (show-all-windows and background only)
[06:45] <davyd> hmm, it likes to spend time configuring network interfaces, which I think it a little silly
[06:46] <ogra> sladen: looks like Treenaks is at the right track....
[06:47] <Treenaks> or it is just plain random hanging.. i.e. a race condition somewhere
[06:47] <sladen> ogra: I'm inclined to agree
[06:48] <sladen> what's puzzling me is that sometimes zero, one or two of  (show-all-windows applet and background come up)
[06:48] <ogra> Treenaks: but it works the first time fine.....
[06:48] <sladen> are they just the first two items in the load order
[06:48] <Treenaks> ogra: always? or sometimes?
[06:48] <ogra> Treenaks: good question.... i was guessing....
[06:49] <sladen> sudo -u fred rm -r /home/fred/.gnome*  && it works again
[06:50] <sladen> logout, login, okay
[06:52] <Treenaks> why is mutt "stuttering" when I browse my mail over IMAP?
[06:52] <Treenaks> sladen: I really think it's race thing, as it happens here 50% of the time
[06:55] <Treenaks> (because mail_check == 5)
[06:57] <sladen> cya?
[07:03] <sladen> Treenaks: what's because mail_check == 5 ?
[07:03] <ogra> sladen: <Treenaks> why is mutt "stuttering"
[07:03] <Treenaks> sladen: what ogra says :)
[07:04] <sladen> okay.  Just got excited there for a moment
[07:05] <davyd> who here cares about power management in Ubuntu
[07:05] <davyd> besides seb
[07:06] <Treenaks> all laptop owners :)
[07:06] <Treenaks> mjg59 too
[07:06] <davyd> I mean from a dev point of view
[07:06] <Treenaks> mjg59 then
[07:06] <davyd> I think I've solved Seb's problem of never receiving ac_adapter events
[07:07] <davyd> the script is too long, so the event arrives about 30 seconds late
[07:07] <davyd> or sometimes it seems, not at all
[07:07] <ogra> 30 second ? lol
[07:08] <mjg59> Eww
[07:09] <mjg59> How does it do that?
[07:09] <davyd> mjg59: events aren't forwarded on the socket until after the script has done processing on them
[07:09] <davyd> I think it's so you can jam them
[07:09] <davyd> and do other things
[07:09] <davyd> your script takes forever and a day to execute
[07:10] <davyd> I managed to improve interactivity by wrapping it in power_script() { }
[07:10] <davyd> and going power_script & at the end
[07:10] <davyd> this at least causes things like the battery applet to update immediately
[07:10] <davyd> however, the script does execute too slow
[07:11] <davyd> so other things I'm doing, like changing LCD brightness happen much after I expect them
[07:11] <mjg59> davyd: Hrm. Where is it actually taking the time?
[07:12] <mjg59> Adding a set -x to the top and tail -f /var/log/acpi.log ought to show you that
[07:12] <davyd> mjg59: hang on, I'm just changing other things
[07:12] <davyd> you are able to use, if on_ac_power; then
[07:13] <davyd> on_ac_power is a program provided by something or other
[07:13] <davyd> should be quicker then grepping I feel...
[07:13] <shaya> yay
[07:13] <shaya> evolution works
[07:13] <mjg59> davyd: It's a shell script that greps :)
[07:13] <shaya> davyd: it's been fixed
[07:13] <mjg59> on_ac_power actually does /more/ greps than power.sh
[07:14] <davyd> mjg59: does it?
[07:14] <davyd> what else is it doing?
[07:16] <mjg59> Which? on_ac_power?
[07:16] <mjg59> It greaps for on-line and then greps again for off-line
[07:16] <mjg59> No idea why
[07:18] <davyd> interesting...
[07:18] <mjg59> davyd: Sometimes the xscreensaver stuff seems to take some time if the user isn't logged in
[07:19] <davyd> mjg59: I've taken that out, it's still slow
[07:19] <mjg59> Very odd.
[07:20] <mjg59> If you could try set -xing it and then tailing the output, that would help a great deal
[07:20] <davyd> I'm playing with that now
[07:21] <davyd> there is an f-ing sleep 5 in there...
[07:21] <davyd> I wonder what that is meant to do?
[07:22] <mjg59> Yeah, that was to work around an acpi bug where the status wasn't always updated the moment the event appeared
[07:22] <mjg59> (IIRC)
[07:22] <davyd> nice...
[07:23] <davyd> ok, well I'm removing that, and a lot of other cruft
[07:23] <davyd> I recommend that you wrap the entire script in a function() { }
[07:23] <davyd> and call function & at the end
[07:23] <davyd> to stop it blocking events
[07:24] <davyd> that should unfuck things like battstat
[07:24] <mjg59> Yeah, but it'd be nice to know /why/ it's blocking events
[07:24] <davyd> mjg59: because acpid is a POS?
[07:24] <mjg59> Ah, sorry, not that - I know that it serialises everything
[07:24] <davyd> you can probably use exit codes to eat events or somesuch
[07:24] <mjg59> But why the script is taking so long
[07:24] <davyd> mjg59: the sleep 5 can't help ;)
[07:24] <davyd> I've taken that out, and the X probing stuff and the x screensaver stuff
[07:24] <davyd> and now it's nice
[07:25] <mjg59> The X stuff is fairly necessary, until we get HAL love
[07:25] <davyd> I don't need any of those things anyway ;)
[07:27] <mjg59> Was someone working on battery support for HAL?
[07:27] <davyd> sergey I think
[07:27] <Treenaks> that would rock
[07:30] <mjg59> Hrm. We tended to find that powernowd behaved a lot better.
[07:31] <davyd> many people have said so
[07:31] <davyd> I haven't managed a lot of joy with it
[07:32] <davyd> I hate them both
[07:32] <davyd> mjg59: http://live.gnome.org/PowerManager
[07:33] <mjg59> davyd: Yeah, that sort of thing
[07:33] <davyd> mjg59: that's my grand vision
[07:33] <mjg59> Mm. Nice.
[07:33] <davyd> as soon as HAL gets it's act together I'm writing it
[07:34] <davyd> along with weather.gnome.org
[07:34] <davyd> which we should have reading for 2.12
[07:34] <Treenaks> davyd: as long as PowerManager doesn't become the useless bloated PoS that NetworkManager is becoming...
[07:34] <davyd> Treenaks: I haven't got that working yet
[07:34] <davyd> is it in Hoary now?
[07:34] <Treenaks> davyd: ask Thom about it
[07:35] <mjg59> NetworkManager /was/ going to be the default in Hoary
[07:35] <davyd> but?
[07:35] <Treenaks> mjg59: until the authors smoked some BAD crack
[07:35] <mjg59> It, uh, doesn't really work
[07:35] <davyd> aah
[07:35] <mjg59> It's a mess of scary race conditions internally
[07:35] <davyd> nice...
[07:35] <Treenaks> it doesn't save its state to /etc/network/interfaces. it doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces to READ state
[07:36] <Treenaks> it doesn't use ifup/ifdown, but re-implements everything
[07:36] <davyd> Treenaks: that's by design
[07:36] <mjg59> netapplet is entirely and utterly the wrong answer, but has the side effect of working
[07:36] <davyd> although it should wrap ifup and ifdown
[07:36] <Treenaks> davyd: it doesn't.. they implented their own DHCP client
[07:37] <Treenaks> (and we know how well RedHat DHCP clients work *cough*pump*cough*)
[07:37] <davyd> heh
[07:38] <davyd> the basis behind not using everyones network config system is a good idea
[07:38] <davyd> non of them work well in the desktop space
[07:38] <Treenaks> davyd: /etc/network/interfaces + mapping would
[07:38] <davyd> network/interfaces is great for machines that never change IPs
[07:38] <davyd> and fantastic for things with routers
[07:38] <davyd> and sysconfig is simply not good for anything
[07:38] <Treenaks> davyd: maybe a /etc/network/interfaces.d with a file for each network (by name)
[07:39] <davyd> Treenaks: or maybe not trying to hack a solution together ;)
[07:39] <davyd> and instead let users control it
[07:39] <Kamion> /etc/network/interfaces is the thing that installers understand, though, and everything else in the distribution
[07:39] <Treenaks> davyd: yes, read the BOF notes from the conference
[07:39] <Treenaks> davyd: this was discussed there :)
[07:39] <Kamion> if you don't give a damn about integration with distributions, NM's approach makes sense; unfortunately integration is kind of important if you happen to be the distribution
[07:39] <mjg59> Having two methods for working with network configuration is pain
[07:39] <davyd> I mean, the idea behind PowerManager is to get rid of those hokillion daemons
[07:40] <davyd> and the config crack
[07:40] <davyd> and have no more random shell scripts
[07:40] <mjg59> davyd: Yeah, that makes sense
[07:40] <davyd> and just have an applications, with some nice plugins, that knows ALL the state
[07:40] <davyd> no unix sockets, not constantly polling proc and blocking the kernel up
[07:40] <davyd> beautiful and clean
[07:40] <davyd> and dbus
[07:40] <Treenaks> davyd: that's different.. power has a set amount of states and configuration is broken atm. networks already have a configuration interface
[07:40] <mjg59> Abstracting at that level is the right thing to do
[07:41] <davyd> lots of dbus
[07:41] <mjg59> But network interfaces are already abstracted at about that level
[07:41] <Treenaks> davyd: unless PowerManager is going to aim to replace acpid, then I'll personally kill the devs
[07:41] <davyd> Treenaks: that's part of the plan yes
[07:41] <davyd> acpid is a piece of shit
[07:41] <Treenaks> davyd: as long as I don't need f'ing gconf to configure it I won't mind too much
[07:42] <davyd> Treenaks: nah, that sounds painful
[07:42] <davyd> although users might have gconf settings they feed to it via dbus
[07:42] <Treenaks> davyd: that's the case with NM if you're not running X
[07:42] <mjg59> Per-user config probably ought to have stuff in gconf
[07:42] <davyd> mjg59: indeed
[07:42] <mjg59> But really, what you want is:
[07:42] <davyd> need to think of a way to do global config sanely
[07:43] <mjg59> 1) a daemon that listens for events and propagates them
[07:43] <mjg59> 2) a system-wide client that is small and does important stuff
[07:43] <mjg59> 3) a per-user client that integrates nicely with their desktop
[07:43] <davyd> problem with 3 is permissions of course
[07:43] <mjg59> Yeah.
[07:44] <davyd> in my current sketch
[07:44] <mjg59> We need a good way of figuring out who is actually physically in front of the machine
[07:44] <davyd> 3 would receive dbus events from the daemon
[07:44] <davyd> and then send back requests
[07:44] <davyd> and assuming the permissions model allows it
[07:44] <mjg59> Because currently, all solutions suck
[07:44] <davyd> will complete them
[07:44] <davyd> mjg59: we're too damned multi user ;)
[07:44] <davyd> perhaps we should just run in single user mode ;)
[07:45] <mjg59> Haha
[07:45] <mjg59> lindows has it easy
[07:45] <mjg59> But this is a problem when it comes to things like scanner access, too
[07:45] <davyd> we have some terminal server clients that run in single user mode or something vaguely like it
[07:45] <davyd> they work nicely
[07:45] <mjg59> Actually, it's not /too/ hard to figure out who's at the console
[07:45] <mjg59> PAM can do that for you
[07:45] <davyd> mjg59: I thought there were issues with that module?
[07:46] <mjg59> davyd: The issue isn't that you have no idea who's at the console at this moment in time
[07:46] <mjg59> The issue is that the last person at the console potentially still has open filehandles
[07:46] <davyd> evil hack of the day... installing CVS gnome-applets into /opt and then convincing bonobo to use them
[07:46] <davyd> so Ubuntu can give me development GNOME
[07:46] <davyd> and I can have the bleeding edge applet-love I crave
[07:47] <mjg59> If the kernel had a revoke() call, this would be much easier
[07:48] <davyd> Treenaks: you kinda should run CVS when you're the maintainer
[07:48] <davyd> not that I've been much of a maintainer lately
[07:49] <Treenaks> davyd: that sounds like a valid reason :)
[07:49] <Treenaks> davyd: I'm not a maintainer though ;)
[07:49] <ogra_dinner> Treenaks: yet ? :)
[07:50] <Treenaks> ogra_dinner: not gnome upstream.. PLEASE NOT GNOME UPSTREAM
[07:50] <Treenaks> ;)
[07:50] <ogra_dinner> heh


[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <Noskcaj> morning
[07:55] <Noskcaj> as always evening for me
[08:00] <pitti> hey dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi pitti
[08:26] <Noskcaj> guys the xubuntu daily is messed up, all partitioning is gone
[08:40] <Noskcaj> bug 1076907 needs triaging
[08:42] <TheLordOfTime> you mean it needs to be set as "Triaged" ?
[08:42] <pitti> before doing that, some dev actually needs to triage it :)
[08:43] <TheLordOfTime> i was about to say that :p
[08:43]  * TheLordOfTime may not be on the QA team, but he's seen a few QA team bugs to know that some dev needs to do something with it first before it gets triaged :P
[08:43]  * TheLordOfTime returns to lurking
[08:46] <persia> TheLordOfTime: What?  Why?  When I started triaging bugs in Ubuntu, I didn't do any development: just research on the bugs, and ended up with lots of devs asking me which bugs could be fixed easily during the scheduled bugfixing days.
[08:46] <Noskcaj> and can people please stop saying quantal was a success
[08:46] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, can you stop the qq about quantal?
[08:46] <Noskcaj> ok?
[08:47] <Noskcaj> i get 5 errors a day and the unity launcher doesn;t without pressing super unless i use the dev nvidia driver and then i get more bugs
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> "please stop saying quantal was a success"  i only find LTSes to be a success.
[08:47] <Noskcaj> true
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> but i've run quantal *without issue* on several testing systems.
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> so the saying "its just you" tends to ppop into my brain :P
[08:47] <TheLordOfTime> granted my testing systems are *ancient*
[08:47]  * TheLordOfTime also doesn't use nvidia :P
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> and actually...
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> i'
[08:48] <Noskcaj> yeah, its only one mobile series that has that problem
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> ve seen a few users have no issues with nvidia systems.
[08:48] <Noskcaj> but sooooooooooooooooo anoying
[08:48] <TheLordOfTime> none of them are on their mobile chipsets though.
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> annoying maybe.  whining worthy?  no.  this is what blogs are for though, so if you want to whine, whine in a blog.
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... ooops i broke something on my server...
[08:49] <TheLordOfTime> *walks the 5 feet ot his server to fix it*
[09:27] <Noskcaj> why have we got this link in the website when nothing shows in it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/32/manifest
[09:27] <Noskcaj> bye
[19:12] <Noskcaj> i have been kicked from the mailing list
[19:39] <phillw> Noskcaj: ??
[19:39] <Noskcaj>  phillw: working now, it was just temporary
[19:39] <Noskcaj> can we add netboot to testdrive somehow?
[19:41] <phillw> Noskcaj: I saw the request on the mailing list, balloons should catch it and answer when he has time.... Things are a bit hectic at the moment!
[19:41] <balloons> I can answer now on IRC :-)
[19:41] <phillw> aha! speak of the devil :)
[19:41] <balloons> adding something to testdrive would require code changes.. in other words, a developer
[19:43] <phillw> balloons: and apart from "more chance of hell freezing over", what are the chances?
[19:44] <balloons> no idea.. I don't think testdrive is dev'd anymore sadly
[19:45] <Noskcaj> :(
[19:45] <Noskcaj> then why did they leave "other" in?
[19:45] <phillw> I confess to knowing of testdrive.
[19:46] <phillw> *knowing NOTHING of*
[19:46] <Noskcaj> but ERMAGUD balloons is active on irc again
[19:46] <balloons> let's look it up
[19:46] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[19:47] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~testdrive/testdrive/trunk
[19:47] <balloons> there is life there
[19:48] <phillw> balloons: indeed https://launchpad.net/testdrive shows it to be active :)
[19:48] <balloons> that said, it's just python.. probably could be done easily enough
[19:48] <balloons> make a request there
[19:48] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:48] <phillw> I use KVM, but that's coz that is what I was trained on using :)
[19:49] <Noskcaj> i use vbox via testdrive
[19:49] <phillw> It seems that KVM is what people move onto after using virtual box :)
[19:50] <phillw> if you apt-get install virtual-manager it will pull everything in (including the stuff we need to emulate PPC).
[19:51] <phillw> but, it is 64 Bit only.
[19:51] <balloons> yes.. testdrive gives you zsyn
[19:51] <balloons> *zsync
[19:51] <balloons> but you can use zsync by itself
[19:52] <phillw> balloons: it always catches me out each new install :D I go zsync... blah blah blah.... computer says "maybe you should install it 1st" :P
[19:55] <phillw> balloons: and on a totally different topic, just how much testing do you want for a usb device to be working? I've now got a horrendous list of creating / copying / deleting files between 'host' and 'usb device'. Do you want them all documented as the 'mother of all usb interaction' or just a quick simple test case?
[19:56] <balloons> ahh
[19:56] <balloons> on the manual testing front I think it's better to go for things that can't be automated
[19:56] <balloons> so don't test every iteration in the manual testcase
[19:56] <balloons> keep it simple :-)
[19:57] <phillw> simple sounds good :D
[19:57] <Noskcaj> Bug #1077158
[19:57] <phillw> the automated test case will be a horror of every possible variation I can think up!
[19:58] <phillw> but, ideally suited for automated testing :)
[20:03] <balloons> yes ideed phillw
[20:06] <Noskcaj> are there meant to be release notes in the dailies?
[20:08] <balloons> Noskcaj, ?
[20:08] <balloons> you meant the notice for release notes?
[20:08] <Noskcaj> a link
[20:08] <balloons> if so, yea.. everything will be quantal for a long time
[20:09] <Noskcaj> there is no link at all
[20:23] <phillw> Noskcaj: do not expect such things until we hit cadence testing :)
[20:27] <Noskcaj> phillw: ok
[20:27] <phillw> balloons: is http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1343/info okay? I don't want to, in a simple test case, go through all the stuff in the file handling test case of deleteng stuff
[20:27] <balloons> phillw, looks good
[20:28] <balloons> it's nice basic and simple..
[20:28] <phillw> Noskcaj: there will be weekly meetings held, where the flavours are asked to fill in a quick report.
[20:28] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:28] <phillw> balloons: as long as we can copy to and from the usb device, that should be enough :)
[20:28] <balloons> phillw, yes I agree
[20:29] <phillw> next up, my nemesis... samba connectivity =-O
[20:31] <phillw> this may take a while as I've got to install tasksel, then a samba server :P
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: does Canonical have a samba server set up for testing / connectivity?
[20:34] <balloons> samba server?
[20:34] <balloons> lol.. I don't know if there are specific samba tests
[20:35] <phillw> as the likes of Nautilus / PCManFM can connect to via samba, not sure how to phrase up a "connect to xyz" to ensure it is working?
[20:36] <Noskcaj> balloons: you put the wrong links on the ppc netboot
[20:36] <balloons> Noskcaj, ohh?
[20:36] <balloons> let's fix them!
[20:37] <phillw> I certainly cannot expect a tester to install a samba server... I'll let you and nosk go edit the test case, I'll go and seek advice :)
[20:37] <Noskcaj> you need to put "current" instead 20102187ubuntu186
[20:37] <balloons> Noskcaj, no no.. it should be correct
[20:37] <balloons> it is automagic
[20:37] <Noskcaj> oh, nevermind then
[20:38] <Noskcaj> i thought you had to manually update
[20:38] <balloons> the "downloads" work a bit differently and they have some setup
[20:38] <balloons> no it's automated ;-)
[20:38] <Noskcaj> just put http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/raring/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso in instead
[20:40] <Noskcaj> guys, testdrive thinks ubuntu came out in 1970
[20:40] <balloons> hehe.. that's unix start epoch time
[20:40] <Noskcaj> nevermind its fixed
[20:59] <Noskcaj> turns out testdrive changes the cache time to unix start epoch time after you turn off the vm


[19:04] <scan_lowly> hi everyone! Having some trouble moving (or deleting and creating - files are actually not important) my /home partition to a new drive and wondering if anyone could help?
[19:06] <scan_lowly> wait..
[19:06] <scan_lowly> I think I figured it out???
[19:45] <OvenWerks> scan_lowly: you really need to be logged out for that... but create the new directory with wrong name... change the name of current home to /home/${USER}.back or some such. change the name of the new directory to /home/${USER}.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> scan_lowly: note that if you are creating a new /home on the differnet drive then it is /home you have to change to /oldhome before creating an empty /home to mount to. you can not delete a directory that has anything using that as PWD so once you have done the renaming and everything is ready to go, reboot and when it comes up the new /home should just be there and the home you log into should be
[19:51] <OvenWerks> in that directory and you can then transfer files from the old home and/or delete it. It is best to do this whole thing booted as safe mode or logged in via ctl-alt-F2 so that your session is not using the old home as PWD


[06:06] <magespawn> good morning
[07:16] <chesedo> hi magespawn Kilos
[07:17] <Kilos> morning chesedo magespawn and all others
[07:17] <Kilos> inetpro ty for topic update
[07:18] <chesedo> Maaz: tell inetpro ok, thanks
[07:18] <Maaz> chesedo: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[07:19] <chesedo> Kilos: how do i get the last meeting minutes
[07:19] <Kilos> hm...
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz minutes
[07:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry, no meeting in progress.
[07:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:20] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[07:20] <Maaz> chesedo: What?
[07:20] <chesedo> brr..
[07:20] <Kilos> if we remember to tell him everytime we will know where they are
[07:20] <Kilos> oh
[07:21] <Kilos> if you look in logs the night of the meeting you should see them
[07:21] <chesedo> ok Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> i dont know is he posts it there though
[07:22] <Kilos> should be directly after the end meeting command
[07:27] <chesedo> Kilos: found it ty... the next agenda also seem right to you?
[07:28] <Kilos> tell Maaz where to find the minutes
[07:29] <Kilos> i just read the logs of that meeting
[07:29] <Kilos> well skimmed and see nothing from maaz
[07:29] <Kilos> and what a job to find the rights logs
[07:31] <Kilos> yeah agenda seems ok
[07:31] <Kilos> i missed kmf yesterday, slept the whole avy away
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: Sorry...
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: help with factoids
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[07:32] <Kilos> is <reply>
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes is <reply> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:32] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[07:32] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[07:32] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2016-02-23-18-30-04.html
[07:33] <Kilos> now after each meeting you tell him forget last minutes and then add the new link to last minutes
[07:38] <chesedo> hmm
[08:03] <SilverCode> Ooooh, I see DebConf is happening in Cape Town this year
[08:33] <inetpro> SilverCode: and you can even register now at https://debconf16.debconf.org/
[08:33] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:33] <chesedo> morning inetpro
[08:34] <inetpro> chesedo: finding the minutes is simple
[08:34] <inetpro> just go down the rabbit hole with the latest agenda to figure the date
[08:34] <chesedo> lol
[08:38] <inetpro> or follow the other rabbit hole by going to the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:38] <inetpro> eventually there's some interconnect at some level
[08:40]  * chesedo usually goes the agenda version, but wanted to add Feb's which was missing
[08:41] <chesedo> so hoped Maaz had them somewhere to not have to go to the logs
[08:42] <inetpro> chesedo: you can even browse the folder on Maaz's host
[08:42] <inetpro> see: maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[08:42]  * chesedo just figured something new
[08:42] <inetpro> but ssshhhh... don't tell anybody
[08:42] <inetpro> :-)
[08:43] <chesedo> ah, just what i figured
[09:26] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <inetpro> chesedo: Rainfall/ Precipitation in Pretoria, South Africa http://www.pretoria.climatemps.com/precipitation.php
[09:58] <chesedo> inetpro: i was more interested in how march's rain stands up to the more local area's avg
[09:58] <inetpro> unfortunately don't have that on record, sorry
[09:59] <chesedo> we used to keep track of the rainfall to be able to compare them hence the interest... ok
[09:59] <inetpro> it's more than average at the moment, I'm sure
[10:00]  * chesedo things march's alone is about 1/3+ of the years here
[10:00] <chesedo> thinks
[10:01] <Kilos> yes very wet march
[10:02] <Kilos> but way too late  for summer crops
[11:18] <Kilos> inetpro plant cabbages quick
[11:18] <Kilos> if winter gonna be wet youll have nice cabbages
[11:41] <inetpro> you think we'll have a wet winter oom Kilos?
[11:44] <Kilos> well hopefully inetpro
[11:44] <Kilos> but plant near water anyway
[11:45] <inetpro> Kilos: have you got karee trees on your yard?
[11:45] <Kilos> but the ground is well wet now so its a good start with lots of nitrogen available
[11:45] <Kilos> what is that
[11:45] <Kilos> thron trees
[11:45] <inetpro> karee bome man
[11:45] <Kilos> thorn
[11:45] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_lancea
[11:45] <Kilos> lol
[11:46] <inetpro> an evergreen, frost hardy, drought resistant tree
[11:47] <inetpro> got a big shock this morning
[11:47] <inetpro> looks like a tree in the middle of winter
[11:47] <inetpro> being eaten up by something
[11:48] <Kilos> oh my
[11:48] <Kilos> ants termites or a bug
[11:48] <Kilos> where are they eating it
[11:49] <inetpro> the leaves
[11:50] <Kilos> i see our large pepper tree has most of the centre hollowed out and ants live there
[11:50] <Kilos> but when rain is coming the move out eggs and all for a while
[11:50] <inetpro> some kind of moth
[11:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:51] <inetpro> or bug... not sure... should go check again
[11:51]  * inetpro wbbl
[11:51] <Kilos> even the hatched larvae of moths and things
[11:51] <Kilos> eat leaves like silk worms
[11:59] <Kilos> as jy dit wil keer inetpro boor n paar gate diep in die boom in , gate moet af wees, dan koop jy lennons balsem kopiva en gooi dit daar in en maak toe met n dowel of mooi styf passende stok
[12:00] <Kilos> dit werk ook vir vrugte bome om te keer vir wurms
[12:17] <inetpro> Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA
[12:17] <inetpro> it's a bug
[12:17]  * Kilos looks
[12:19] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:19] <Kilos> are there any whole leaves left
[12:20] <Kilos> but they evergreen  sp will get new ones when bug goes to next stage
[12:20] <inetpro> only very few half eaten ones
[12:20] <Kilos> try identify the bug
[12:20] <inetpro> yeah, nature doing its thing
[12:21] <Kilos> the thing is there are many new bugs
[12:21] <inetpro> how do we identify the bug?
[12:21] <inetpro> I got a nice pic of it there
[12:21] <Kilos> mny were imported to get rid of other things and moved on to local stuff when they ran out of food
[12:21] <Kilos> ask tara
[12:21] <Kilos> haha
[12:22] <Kilos> she finds all kinds there and researches whether they good or not
[12:23] <Kilos> stupid girl even feels bad when stomping poisonous spiders
[12:23] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[12:23] <Kilos> Maaz google bug identifying site
[12:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "Welcome to BugGuide.Net! - BugGuide.Net" http://bugguide.net/ :: "Insect, Spider, and Bug Identification - Information and Pictures of ..." http://www.insectidentification.org/ :: "What bug is this? - Amateur Entomologists' Society (AES)" http://www.amentsoc.org/insects/what-bug-is-this/ :: "Try This New Bug ID Tool from Raid® brand | Raid® brand | SC
[12:23] <Maaz> ..." http://www.raidkillsbugs.com/en-us/bug-id :: "Insect Images and Identification — Depa…
[12:24] <kulelu88> yo
[12:46] <magespawn> inetpro: can you post the picture/
[12:46] <magespawn> ?
[12:46] <inetpro> magespawn: 03/19 14:17:37 <inetpro> Kilos: https://plus.google.com/+GustavHMeyer/posts/E54FbDamoSA
[12:47] <inetpro> must be some kind of beetle
[12:47] <Kilos> no man a close up
[12:47] <Kilos> lake a lady bug
[12:47] <inetpro> Kilos: the 2nd picture is a close up
[12:47] <Kilos> llike
[12:48] <Kilos> pic just of the  bug man
[12:48] <Kilos> not tree or leaves included
[12:49] <magespawn> i don't think your tree is a lancea though, maybe one of the other Rhus
[12:50] <magespawn> i will check the beetle when i get home, it is not one i recognise
[12:51] <Kilos> try spray some malation or something on the few half leaves
[12:52] <Kilos> otherwise photosynthesis stops and tree gonna battle to recover in winter i thinkl
[12:53] <Kilos> are those dead trees behind the same kind of tree
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: a zoomed in version: https://goo.gl/photos/vVmSsrPVN8oqd26L9
[12:53] <inetpro> do you see it now?
[12:54] <Kilos> ya post that on one of the bug sites
[12:54] <inetpro> that's from the same pic
[12:54] <Kilos> Maaz google beetle identifying site for south africa
[12:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle Collector" http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/ :: "Family Catalog page - Beetles of Africa :: The website for the Beetle ..." http://www.beetlesofafrica.com/index-old.asp :: "Coleoptera (beetles) - Biodiversity Explorer" http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/ :: "COLEOPTERA COLLECTION - various beetle
[12:54] <Maaz> families - Agricultural ..." http://www.arc.agric.za/arc-ppri/Pages/Biosystematics/Coleoptera.a…
[12:55] <inetpro> Kilos: learn to use a proper browser that allows you to zoom in and out of pics
[12:55] <inetpro> :-)
[12:55] <Kilos> jy tender weer ne
[12:56] <Kilos> no amount of zoom can ever equal a good close up original
[12:56] <inetpro> see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/image-zoom/
[12:56] <Kilos> but that one is good enough to search further with
[12:56] <magespawn> inetpro: might be Rhus chirindensis, but the names have been changed i see to Searsia
[12:57] <inetpro> interesting
[12:57] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... not sure I agree with that one
[12:58] <magespawn> http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantqrs/searsiachirind.htm
[12:58] <Kilos> identify the bug then see how to get rid of it
[12:58] <Kilos> forget the tree
[12:58] <magespawn> lancea leafs are supposed to be a longer and thinner
[12:58] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[12:58] <inetpro> these leaves are long when normal
[12:59] <Kilos> if you worry about the tree too much there will be no leaves left
[12:59] <inetpro> in the pic they've all been eaten up to look so funny as the fo
[12:59] <inetpro> s/fo/do/
[13:00] <magespawn> the beetle looks more like a bug
[13:00] <magespawn> are the wings on the back hard like a dung beetle? wing covers?
[13:01] <Kilos> just spray some water with sunlight dishwasher in and see
[13:01] <Kilos> if bugs go then you have saved the tree
[13:02] <magespawn> is there only leaves on the tree no fruit?
[13:02] <inetpro> yikes!
[13:02]  * inetpro feels like becoming a real bug hunter now
[13:02] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:03] <inetpro> let me go see again if I can get an even better view
[13:07] <magespawn> the natural history museum in pretoria has a insect division that will identify it for you, also most universities
[13:07] <magespawn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_pendulina
[13:07] <magespawn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhus_tomentosa
[13:08] <magespawn> i doubt the second one though
[13:08] <magespawn> Kilos: some insects are specific to the trees or famalies of trees
[13:09] <Kilos> yes but finding the deterent is more important than identifying the tree
[13:10] <Kilos> its almost bald already
[13:12] <magespawn> these are bugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera
[13:13] <magespawn> these are beetles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle
[13:13] <Kilos> so what is that one of the pros
[13:14] <magespawn> that is a good question
[13:14] <Kilos> its like a lady bug or lady bird i forget what we used to call them
[13:15] <magespawn> i would try this family for starts http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/chrysomelidae/index.htm
[13:15] <magespawn> but that might be a shot in the dark
[13:15] <Kilos> we used to sing lady bird  X 2 fly away home
[13:15] <magespawn> brb
[13:15] <Kilos> your house is on fire and your children are alone
[13:16] <Kilos> inetpro try dishwasher spray man and see if they leave
[13:19] <inetpro> two more pics added: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[13:20] <inetpro> there's also little green worms amongst the bugs
[13:20] <Kilos> spray
[13:20] <Kilos> foget research for now
[13:20] <Kilos> do that at night
[13:21] <inetpro> these things fly away the moment you get near them
[13:21] <inetpro> and yes magespawn, the wings on the back are hard
[13:21] <Kilos> spray the leaves and see if it deters them
[13:22] <inetpro> Kilos: surely it will deter them, what's the point?
[13:22] <Kilos> to save the tree
[13:23] <inetpro> there's very few leaves left
[13:23] <Kilos> save them
[13:23] <inetpro> surely the tree will not die completely?
[13:23] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[13:23] <Kilos> who knows
[13:24] <Kilos> its going into winter bare
[13:24] <inetpro> I'm just asking
[13:24] <inetpro> it's an evergreen, new leaves will come soon
[13:25] <Kilos> are the dead ones behind not the same trees
[13:26] <Kilos> kill the cause not the symptoms
[13:28] <inetpro> Kilos: the tree looks small on the pic.. it's huge
[13:28] <inetpro> no way that I can spray the whole tree
[13:28] <Kilos> like if a jackal kills a lamb you dont spend weeks studying the carcasses woll and blood
[13:28] <Kilos> wool
[13:29] <Kilos> well inetpro
[13:29] <pavlushka-> !info wool
[13:29] <Kilos> spray those you can reach
[13:29] <pavlushka-> !wool
[13:29] <Kilos> and at least see in dishwasher can save some leaves
[13:30] <Kilos> Maaz define wool
[13:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Wool \Wool\ (w[oo^]l), n. [OE. wolle, wulle, AS. wull; akin to D. wol, OHG. wolla, G. wolle, Icel. & Sw. ull, Dan. uld, Goth, wulla, Lith. vilna, Russ. volna, L. vellus, Skr. [=u]r[.n][=a] wool, v[.r] to cover. [root]146, 287. Cf. {Flannel}, {Velvet}.] [1913 Webster] 1. The soft and curled, or crisped, species of hair which grows on sheep and some other
[13:30] <Maaz> animals, and which in fineness sometimes approaches to fur; -- chiefly applied to the fleecy …
[13:31]  * Kilos needs to sleep for a while
[13:32] <pavlushka-> Wow, you people really got a smarter bot!
[13:33] <Kilos> yes
[13:35] <pavlushka-> Maaz define pizza
[13:35] <Maaz> pavlushka-: pizza n 1: Italian open pie made of thin bread dough spread with a spiced mixture of e.g. tomato sauce and cheese [syn: {pizza}, {pizza pie}]
[13:35] <pavlushka-> Maaz define yummy
[13:35] <Maaz> pavlushka-: yummy \yum"my\ (y[u^]m"m[y^]), adj. Very pleasing or attractive; especially, pleasing to the taste; delicious; scrumptious. [colloq.]  Syn: delectable, delicious, luscious, pleasant-tasting, scrumptious, toothsome. [PJC + WordNet 1.5], yummy adj 1: extremely pleasing to the sense of taste [syn: {delectable}, {delicious}, {luscious}, {pleasant- tasting},
[13:35] <Maaz> {scrumptious}, {toothsome}, {yummy}]
[13:37] <pavlushka-> I am gonna stick around, it will work for me as an online dictionary
[13:38] <pavlushka-> Wow
[13:38] <Kilos> pavlushka- you can pm the bot and not spam here
[13:38] <pavlushka-> Got it, Kilos
[13:38] <Kilos> good lad
[13:39] <pavlushka-> I just said if i need and help i can ask here
[13:39] <Kilos> yes
[13:40] <Kilos> just play with the bot in pm
[13:41] <pavlushka-> Sure, thanks for the suggestion, i got the point.
[13:42] <pavlushka-> I wasn't sure if its possible to pm a bot.
[13:42] <pavlushka-> Now i am.
[13:43] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <Kilos> not all bots are the same
[13:45] <pavlushka-> Yes, your one is smarter
[13:45] <Kilos> of course
[13:46] <pavlushka-> And in the dev channels, ubottu was kidding me.
[13:55] <Kilos> inetpro i forgot to add, in the week spend researching lamb carcass the jackal came back for 3 more lambs
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: give me a break, it's been a few hours since noticing the bug
[13:57] <inetpro> I'll fix it soon
[13:57] <Kilos> lol
[13:57] <Kilos> what do you wantt broken
[13:58] <inetpro> bushtech: wb
[13:58] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[13:58] <Kilos> where you been
[13:58] <bushtech> howdy guys you well?
[13:58] <bushtech> fixing things
[13:58] <Kilos> yes ty and you
[13:59] <inetpro> bushtech: please help me to find the bug
[13:59] <inetpro> https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[13:59] <bushtech> great, computers running and had some welcome rain
[13:59] <inetpro> bug eating away on our Karee trees in the garden
[14:00] <bushtech> get some horbills
[14:01] <inetpro> hornbills eat these bugs?
[14:01] <Kilos> only hungfry ones
[14:02] <Kilos> hungry
[14:02] <bushtech> worth a shot
[14:02]  * inetpro goes shopping for hornbills
[14:02] <Kilos> lol
[14:02] <Kilos> hhahahahahaha
[14:02] <Kilos> how you gonna keep them in one tree
[14:03] <bushtech> forget the local petshop
[14:03] <inetpro> ai!
[14:03] <Kilos> i gonna sleep now
[14:03] <inetpro> Kilos: too late for sleep now
[14:04] <Kilos> will be offline till waking or i gonna laugh myself awake
[14:04] <bushtech> blerrie mexican
[14:04] <inetpro> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> inetpro our big problem is
[14:05] <Kilos> nature could take care of itself till we started importing stuff to eat other things
[14:05] <Kilos> like the stuff imported to eat those plants on the dams
[14:05] <bushtech> what he said
[14:06] <Kilos> and they found better things to eat than weeds in dams
[14:06] <Kilos> same as cochineal
[14:07] <Kilos> was imported to kill wild prickly pears
[14:07] <bushtech> yep
[14:08] <Kilos> now the wild prickly pears survive and the cultivated ones get killed
[14:08] <inetpro> so who imported this bug of mine now so I can deal with them?
[14:08] <Kilos> first find where its from
[14:09] <inetpro> are you contradicting yourself now?
[14:09] <bushtech> is it just my imagination or is there a helluva lot of ubuntu updates in the last months?
[14:09] <Kilos> sigh
[14:09] <inetpro> bushtech: what version?
[14:09] <Kilos> spray the tree
[14:09] <bushtech> 1404
[14:09] <Kilos> there are many bushtech
[14:10] <Kilos> mainly security
[14:10] <Kilos> and kernels
[14:10] <inetpro> it's a daily thing these days
[14:10] <Kilos> yes
[14:10] <inetpro> but worse if you go to the latest
[14:10] <bushtech> becoming a factor in my cap
[14:10] <Kilos> mine too
[14:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan wat het jy bebreek
[14:12] <magespawn> inetpro: on my way home, will let you know what i find
[14:12] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks
[14:12] <Kilos> go safe magespawn
[14:12] <inetpro> bushtech: it's a real nuisance but what's the alternative?
[14:13] <Langjan> Lmga, hi guys, Kilos die been van die ou wat Oz visums uitreik
[14:13] <Kilos> mooi
[14:13] <Kilos> nee nee man
[14:13] <Langjan> Hoe gaan dit met jou?
[14:13] <Kilos> die clearance mense
[14:13] <Kilos> ok dankie
[14:14] <Kilos> moeg maar mag nie gaan slaap nie
[14:14] <Langjan> OK sorry, gee die adres dan loer ek daar ook in met my beenbreker
[14:14] <Langjan> Hoekom mag jy nie slaap nie?
[14:14] <inetpro> superfly: what do you install for spell checking on quassel?
[14:15] <Kilos> http://www.saps.gov.za/talk/talk.php
[14:15] <Kilos> die pro se so
[14:15] <inetpro> Langjan: hy kan nie slaap as ek hom laat lag vandag :-)
[14:16] <Kilos> toe ek wou slaap toe vindhy goed om my besig te hou
[14:16] <bushtech> dont think saps do spellchecking
[14:16] <Langjan> Hi inetpro hoe gaan dit?
[14:16] <inetpro> goed self oom
[14:16] <Langjan> Alles wel dankie, dis gaaf
[14:16] <Kilos> bushtech meet our real ballie Langjan
[14:16] <inetpro> miskien ken die oom van die kewer wat ons soek... maar ek's seker mage[tab] sal hom vind
[14:16] <inetpro> Langjan: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[14:17] <Kilos> dit vreek karee bome
[14:17] <Kilos> ou inetpro
[14:17] <Kilos> you sure its not the worms doing the eating
[14:17] <Langjan> prettier bugs than those that eat computers
[14:18] <inetpro> Kilos: that is a good question
[14:18] <Kilos> those worms most likely turn into those beetles anfter cocooning
[14:18] <Langjan> or their operators
[14:18] <inetpro> could very well be the worms, but the bugs are plenty
[14:18] <inetpro> worms are less visible
[14:18] <Kilos> break the cycle
[14:19] <Langjan> so are you looking for a solution for such bugs?
[14:19] <Kilos> spray the tree
[14:19] <inetpro> Langjan: ek het al amper gaan hornbills koop om die goed op te vreet :-)
[14:19] <Kilos> i hate easter egg adverts
[14:19] <Kilos> lol
[14:19] <Langjan> ine
[14:20] <inetpro> Langjan: nee, ek grap net... eers vandag die probleem raakgesien
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you like eater eggs that much?
[14:20] <inetpro> make your own
[14:20] <bushtech> inetpro: whereabouts are you?
[14:21] <Kilos> they too expensive man
[14:21] <inetpro> bushtech: west of Pretoria North
[14:21] <inetpro> towards Wonderpark
[14:21] <Langjan> inetpro, theres a pharmacist in Pta who sells Bioway, harmless to humans and animals but keeps all insects away for long time
[14:22] <inetpro> Langjan: http://www.bioway.co.za/ ?
[14:23] <Langjan> That's it
[14:24] <Kilos> you came almost as if sent Langjan
[14:24] <Kilos> but try get him to spray the tree and listen to all the excuses
[14:25] <Langjan> Great stuff, we tried a 1 litre, lasted almost a year, have now taken 5 litres
[14:25] <Langjan> But a tree is a bit of a prob, how big is the tree?
[14:25] <inetpro> Kilos: that pic of the tree is from 2m upwards
[14:26] <inetpro> and it's not the only tree
[14:26] <Langjan> oh, so the pics are of the actual problem? eish!
[14:27] <Langjan> I can connect you with a retired entomologist who may have good advice...
[14:27] <bushtech> is that one tree dead?
[14:29] <inetpro> no, the tree is alive and well, just the leaves have been eaten away completely
[14:29] <Kilos> im sure as those things multiply unchecked they will destroy all them trees
[14:30] <inetpro> just eating the Karee leaves for now
[14:30] <Langjan> karee is indigenous, maybe bugs will stimulate them and go away in time
[14:31] <inetpro> I'm sure it will be fine again soon, but have never seen it eaten as harsh as this
[14:31] <Kilos> i would just check if the bug is as well
[14:31] <Kilos> if its imported you have probs brewing
[14:33] <inetpro> I'm sure others in the area will see the same thing... but I have no idea who has such tree here
[14:37] <Langjan> inetpro, whats the appro. size of the bug?
[14:39] <inetpro> good question
[14:39] <inetpro> very small actually but I didn't meassure the size
[14:40] <inetpro> length is definitely less than 0.5cm
[14:42] <inetpro> I'd say between 3 - 5 mm
[14:42] <Kilos> that sparay can you bought can spray up 2 metres
[14:42] <Kilos> spray
[14:42] <Kilos> save the tree and chase the bugs
[14:43] <Kilos> and drown the worms
[14:52] <Kilos> everything went dead
[14:52] <Kilos> helloooooooo
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:52]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:52] <Kilos> maaz with cremora
[14:52] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[14:53] <Kilos> Maaz and milk
[14:53] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[14:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[14:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:00] <Langjan> Sorry inetpro had to go somewhere, I'm in touch with my pal the entomologist
[15:00] <Kilos> mooi oom
[15:01] <inetpro> great, thanks!
[15:01] <Langjan> how long have they been on the tree and do they have a hard shell?
[15:01] <inetpro> yes, hard shell
[15:01] <inetpro> I only noticed this morning
[15:01] <inetpro> was raining this week so I didn't spend much time in the garden
[15:05] <Langjan> He's in Gouritz, signals not so good
[15:06] <Kilos> where is that place
[15:07] <Langjan> Just west of Mossel Bay
[15:07] <Kilos> whew
[15:10] <Kilos> you spread your wings wide hey
[15:10] <Kilos> bet you he isnt on ubuntu
[15:14] <Langjan> Hes not even connected exept with cellphone
[15:14] <Kilos> ai!
[15:15] <inetpro> have added two more photos from another Karee in the garden
[15:15] <Kilos> teach him to use ubuntu and 3g
[15:15] <inetpro> also full of these bugs
[15:16] <Langjan> inetpro, he's watching the rugby, will get back to me tomorrow, will let you know.
[15:16] <Langjan> You can get advice here: http://www.daff.gov.za/
[15:16] <inetpro> Langjan: no problem, thanks for all efforts
[15:17] <inetpro> who's playing now?
[15:17] <Langjan> No prob, he suspects they are larvae of moths or butterflies
[15:17] <Langjan> Lions and Cheetahs
[15:17] <Langjan> My team unbeaten but gave Bulls two pasella point last night
[15:18] <Kilos> yes
[15:18] <Kilos> strange that joe missed
[15:19] <inetpro> yeah, that miss was painful indeed
[15:19] <Kilos> the pros team as well Langjan
[15:19] <Kilos> ons is piesang peeps
[15:20] <Langjan> They celebrated too soon, put too much pressure on him - never count your chickens before they hatch
[15:20] <Kilos> yip
[15:21] <Langjan> Cheetahs 3-0 to Lions, watch here: http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/lions-vs-cheetahs-live-streaming
[15:24] <inetpro> wow, nice to see streaming services even if I will refrain from abusing my data for that now
[15:25] <inetpro> welcome back magespawn
[15:25] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[15:25] <magespawn> ty
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <magespawn> i think your beetle is a Blepharida ornata Flea Beetle
[15:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:26] <Kilos> from where
[15:26] <inetpro> wow, cool find
[15:26] <magespawn> page 250 of the Field Guide to Insects
[15:26] <Kilos> the flea part is right
[15:26] <Kilos> when he gets close they flee
[15:27] <magespawn> it is supposed to only be on the low veld but the unusual weather might have caused the movement
[15:27] <inetpro> endemic to southern India?
[15:28] <Kilos> oh my
[15:28] <Kilos> ya came in with a shipment of curry and spices
[15:29] <inetpro> magespawn: did you see my latest pics?
[15:29] <inetpro> also some green worms there
[15:29] <Kilos> aw i missed them too
[15:29] <magespawn> Family Chrysomelidae
[15:30] <Kilos> repost please
[15:30] <inetpro> look again, oom Kilos: https://goo.gl/photos/6t4XZWqBPk1voZ2B6
[15:30] <Kilos> ty
[15:30] <inetpro> sorry for all the spam today
[15:30] <inetpro> all part of the Ubuntu culture here :-)
[15:31] <Kilos> oh i did look
[15:31] <Kilos> nice place you have there
[15:31] <magespawn> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/274649277253328818/
[15:31] <Langjan> If they dont bore into the trunk I think it is unlikely they will harm the tree
[15:33] <Kilos> killem
[15:33] <magespawn> the adults are noted for aggregating on Rhus species
[15:33] <inetpro> magespawn: so you say one should make attempts to get rid of them?
[15:34] <inetpro> or let nature take its course?
[15:34] <magespawn> the tree should be able to survive it, it may be the late rain has caused them to all emerge at the same time
[15:35] <magespawn> they are south african beetles, so naturally occuring
[15:35]  * magespawn goes to do some more research
[15:35] <Kilos> killem
[15:37] <superfly> inetpro: I've never consciously installed anything for spelling
[15:37] <Kilos> Langjan you got the name of them bugs now
[15:38] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't kill our indiginous organisms man, they're all part of the circle of life
[15:38] <Langjan> Yes thks will follow up on that
[15:39] <Langjan> But agree with inetpro
[15:39] <Kilos> if it damages my stuff i stomp it
[15:39] <Langjan> in the end you damege yourself
[15:39] <Kilos> no
[15:39] <Langjan> ja
[15:39] <inetpro> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> they go eat the neighbours stuff
[15:40] <Kilos> like the jackal
[15:40] <inetpro> the jackal is a bad example
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> well whe n the tree is dead then its too late to say i should have listened to kilos
[15:41] <Kilos> or at least have let him go sleep
[15:42] <inetpro> Kilos: het jy al kos gemaak?
[15:42] <Langjan> Chhers guys, chat later
[15:42] <Kilos> nee sus hier vandag
[15:43] <Kilos> cheers Langjan
[15:43] <Kilos> t for the visit
[15:43] <inetpro> bye oom Langjan
[15:43] <Kilos> ty
[15:43] <Langjan> Slaap lekker
[15:43] <inetpro> I see score is now 17 - 3 for the lions
[15:44] <Kilos> against who?
[15:44] <inetpro> sorry for those cheetahs, but they won't make it today
[15:44] <Kilos> sis watching miss za so no sports for me
[15:46] <inetpro> superfly: I had spelling working in my previous version, can't remember what I installed
[15:46] <magespawn> that is about all the specific info i have, all the rest in on the family generally
[15:46] <inetpro> thanks magespawn
[15:46] <Kilos> well done magespawn q
[15:47] <magespawn> inetpro the natural history museum might be interested because they are out of their norma range and in large numbers
[15:47] <magespawn> np , i like looking things up like this
[15:47] <inetpro> natural history museum?
[15:48] <inetpro> magespawn: oom Lanjan is also in touch with an entomology buddy of his
[15:48] <magespawn> the one in pretoria central
[15:48] <superfly> inetpro: I know you also need to right-click enable
[15:48] <superfly> but I think aspell or one of those should work
[15:48] <magespawn> they have an awesome beetle collection
[15:49] <inetpro> superfly: oh wow, such simplicity...
[15:49] <inetpro> thanks again superfly!
[15:49] <Kilos> is that 16.04 inetpro
[15:49] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[15:50] <superfly> Kilos: if you're using Quassel, it'll work on any version
[15:50] <Kilos> keep note of everything ill get there
[15:51] <Kilos> na spell checkers dont work when you speaks two languages mixed up
[15:53]  * inetpro was looking in the settings and everywhere else
[15:57] <magespawn> aspell?
[15:58] <hibana> oom Kilos, konversation also has auto spell check
[15:59] <hibana> same place, just right click in the input line and enable it
[15:59] <Kilos> nee man wat dan van die taal
[16:00]  * hibana ignores the funny lingo
[16:00] <hibana> bye
[16:00] <Kilos> only gives 4 english options
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <Kilos> cheeky
[16:01] <Kilos> jy baie parmantig goosie
[16:02] <inetpro> haha, sorry oom
[16:02] <inetpro> aptitude search "~ispell"
[16:03] <inetpro> that ^^ shows me I have the following installed: aspell aspell-en hunspell-en-us libaspell15 libhunspell-1.3-0 libhunspell-1.3-0v5
[16:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:05] <Kilos> same
[16:05] <Kilos> oh inetpro
[16:06] <Kilos> i found a way to minimise miggies that eat me
[16:06] <inetpro> so I need either aspell-af, hunspell-af, myspell-af or hunspell-dictionary-af for Afrikaans
[16:07] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me more
[16:07] <Kilos> table spoon apple cider vinegar , tablespoon balsamic vinegar  in a cup and make half full of eater
[16:07] <Kilos> water
[16:07] <inetpro> tried that
[16:07] <Kilos> then few drops the green liquid soap
[16:07] <inetpro> not helping much
[16:08] <Kilos> did you put soap
[16:08] <Kilos> also i found the congregate on tea bags we put in a bakkie then i empty once a weak
[16:08] <Kilos> week
[16:09] <Kilos> so i took half a cup of tea and put some insectiside in it
[16:09] <Kilos> also with few drops soap
[16:10] <Kilos> they both catch similar amounts
[16:10] <Kilos> inetpro did you put soap
[16:10] <inetpro> Kilos: I installed aspell-af and hunspell-af and restarted my quassel now Afrikaans is part of the list
[16:10] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[16:10] <Kilos> those things can walk on water to drink and the soap lets them sink
[16:11] <Kilos> so they drown
[16:11] <inetpro> what is eater?
[16:11] <Kilos> made a big diffs here
[16:12] <Kilos> huh
[16:12] <inetpro> oh water
[16:12] <Kilos> ya
[16:12] <Kilos> had me there
[16:14] <Kilos> i cant find hunspell-af
[16:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:16] <Kilos> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "hunspell-af"
[16:18] <Kilos> seems its only from xenial
[16:18] <Kilos> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hunspell
[16:19] <inetpro> just install the aspell version oom Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> i wish i could find that app i saw months ago that said it can install any ubuntu package into any release
[16:20] <Kilos> i did
[16:20] <Kilos> hello inetpro
[16:20] <Kilos> eek all red arrows under your name
[16:20] <inetpro> mooi!
[16:20] <Kilos> goeie
[16:20] <Kilos> and there
[16:21] <Kilos> restart coming
[16:21] <kulelu88> anybody working with ionic2 here?
[16:21] <inetpro> kulelu88: not me
[16:22] <Kilos> konversation so slow to get nick info
[16:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean after installing spell checking?
[16:24] <Kilos> no always
[16:25] <Kilos> nicks take long to show hosts
[16:27] <inetpro> just ignore it
[16:27] <Kilos> oh
[16:27] <Kilos> goeie dag
[16:27] <Kilos> nope all red arrows
[16:27] <inetpro> anyway, am happy to say that even LibreOffice does Afrikaans spelling with installation of the above dictionaries
[16:28] <Kilos> ok anothe right click
[16:28] <inetpro> nope
[16:28] <inetpro> Tools | Language
[16:28] <Kilos> yes to enable english and afrikaans
[16:28] <Kilos> they werent ticked
[16:29] <Kilos> what a rigmarole
[16:29] <inetpro> why rigmarole?
[16:29] <Kilos> it only works with one language at a time
[16:29] <inetpro> you one black magic?
[16:30] <inetpro> you want*
[16:30] <inetpro> Maaz: define black magic
[16:30] <Maaz> inetpro: black magic n 1: the belief in magical spells that harness occult forces or evil spirits to produce unnatural effects in the world [syn: {sorcery}, {black magic}, {black art}, {necromancy}], black magic n.  [common] A technique that works, though nobody really understands why. More obscure than {voodoo programming}, which may be done by cookbook. Compare
[16:30] <Maaz> also {black art}, {deep magic}, and {magic number} (sense 2).
[16:31] <inetpro> if you use your language properly you use only one of them at a time
[16:32] <Kilos> nee man
[16:32] <Kilos> no way i gonna change it everytime i change language'
[16:33] <inetpro> you know how to type oom
[16:33] <Kilos> yes watch
[16:33] <Kilos> oom
[16:33] <Kilos> OOm
[16:33] <Kilos> OOM
[16:33] <Kilos> see
[16:34] <inetpro> doesn't mean if I need a spell checker that you also need one :-)
[16:35] <Kilos> hahahaha
[16:36] <Kilos> what are tabulations
[16:36] <Kilos> its an option under spell checker
[16:36] <Kilos> dont tell mre try
[16:37] <Kilos> i really need to go back to just za work
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: in LibreOffice?
[16:39] <Kilos> huh
[16:39] <Kilos> no man
[16:39] <Kilos> in konversation
[16:39] <Kilos> i never use office stuff unless its to open something from email
[16:42] <inetpro> never seen it before Kilos
[16:42] <inetpro> switch if off and see what it does
[16:42] <inetpro> or ask your friend google
[16:43] <Kilos> no google is your friend and you nasty to me
[16:43] <inetpro> meanwhile, lions 34 - 15 cheatahs
[16:44] <Kilos> ty for that info
[16:44] <Kilos> i got caught today
[16:44] <Kilos> normall switch to sports early and stay they till rugger finish
[16:45] <inetpro> haha
[16:45]  * inetpro clearly bored today
[16:45] <Kilos> yes
[16:46] <Kilos> i havent had you fix anything for a long time so you getting lazy
[16:47]  * inetpro wbb
[17:22] <inetpro> and so the Lions win that games as predicted.... Lions 39 - 22 Cheatahs
[17:22] <inetpro> next up, will the Stormers please stand up and clobber the Brumbies
[17:23] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[17:23] <MaNI> thanks
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: are you sleeping already?
[17:32] <inetpro> MaNI: how's your solarsystem going?
[17:33] <MaNI> hehe, still going strong, but still not on the roof
[17:33] <MaNI> lol
[17:34] <MaNI> bit of a running joke now, wife getting quite angry about it taking up the garden, I should really get it sorted
[17:35] <inetpro> ai!
[17:35] <inetpro> remember EarthHour2016 will take place 20:30 until 21:30 on Saturday. Don't forget to switch off your 💡 for an hour & help protect the 🌍
[17:37] <Kilos> im watching that yay
[17:37] <Kilos> just eaten
[17:39] <inetpro> Kilos: is it on SABC?
[17:39] <Kilos> mnet
[17:40] <inetpro> sjoe
[17:41] <inetpro> Kilos: since when you upgraded your life like that?
[17:42] <Kilos> we have always had mnet
[17:42] <inetpro> ah
[17:42] <Kilos> since it first came out
[17:42] <Kilos> but even that is pricey for 2 more channels
[17:43] <inetpro> I remember my father in law having that, how much do you pay for these days?
[17:43] <Kilos> sis likes all the hospital shows so she pays
[17:43] <Kilos> i think 400 a month
[17:43] <inetpro> crazy stuff
[17:45] <inetpro> can't you get the dish and pay less?
[17:45] <Kilos> dstv is over 900
[17:45] <Kilos> i have a dish but decoder packed up
[17:45] <Kilos> when i came here i had dstv
[17:47] <inetpro> DStv Access is R99pm
[17:49] <Kilos> na
[17:49] <Kilos> what is access
[17:49] <Kilos> must have mnet
[17:50] <Kilos> mnet show movies before any of the za channels
[17:50] <tumbleweed> if anyone would like to get involved in debconf16, we could use someone local, to help out with registration of attendees
[17:51] <Kilos> its in CT right tumbleweed
[17:51] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yes
[17:51] <Kilos> you wanna pop in on our monthly meeting tuesdy night
[17:51] <tumbleweed> I can try
[17:51] <tumbleweed> what time?
[17:51] <Kilos> chesedo can you add to agenda please
[17:52] <Kilos> 8.30 za time
[17:52] <Kilos> like in 40 mins time
[17:52] <Kilos> there are many peeps in CT
[17:52] <Kilos> we can try rope some in for you
[17:52] <tumbleweed> Kilos: got it in my calendar, thanks
[17:53] <Kilos> will be great to have you there tumbleweed
[17:53] <Kilos> been a long time
[17:53] <tumbleweed> yeah, we have one local involved in this, but she's really better used elsewhere (and I think she'll burn out if she does this)
[17:53] <tumbleweed> this is a great way for someone new to get involved :)
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: would be nice to fly there and take part, not?
[17:53] <Kilos> yeah
[17:54] <Kilos> what about maia
[17:54] <tumbleweed> registration is open, btw. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html
[17:55] <Kilos> Maaz debconf is <reply> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00008.html
[17:55] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[17:55] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I've registered on the site but going all the way to CT? ...
[17:55] <inetpro> need to think long and hard about that one
[17:55] <tumbleweed> inetpro: :)
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <inetpro> can just imagine it being a highlight of the year
[17:57] <Kilos> tumbleweed have you spoken to maia
[17:57] <tumbleweed> Kilos: no, I haven't. That's a good idea
[17:58] <Kilos> she has been very busy and scarce here but i think she will make time
[17:58] <Kilos> she always answers my mails
[17:58] <tumbleweed> this is a problem. The good people get busy
[17:59] <Kilos> oh and highvoltage is there too i think
[17:59] <Kilos> may be even drubin
[17:59] <Kilos> maia will know
[18:00] <tumbleweed> highvoltage is involved
[18:00] <Kilos> cool
[18:00] <Kilos> and fly of course
[18:00] <tumbleweed> he is, too
[18:01] <Kilos> there are lots of young guys down there
[18:01] <Kilos> inetpro please remember we try find some help
[18:02] <Kilos> and fly can push the lugs
[18:02] <Kilos> oh superfly
[18:02] <Kilos> you keeping up
[18:03] <inetpro> you are the man oom Kilos, talk to them africans as well
[18:03] <superfly> Kilos: no
[18:03] <Kilos> the africans
[18:03] <Kilos> oh in the africa channel
[18:03] <Kilos> ya lemme rock them
[18:05] <Kilos> tumbleweed did you ever go see our work http://ubuntu-africa.info
[18:06] <tumbleweed> I did see it, but not in a while :)
[18:06] <Kilos> i just watched the others work of course
[18:07] <Kilos> refresh a few times and watch background change
[18:07] <Kilos> i love that site
[18:07] <Kilos> im sure you can sense the fly's input
[18:10] <Kilos> oh my inetpro only certain peeps canedit the agenda page
[18:10] <Kilos> wiki lockdown because of spammers
[18:11] <Kilos> chesedo you here?
[18:11] <Kilos> weekend is over
[18:15] <kulelu88> Hey tumbleweed, do you work with JS/AngularJS/Ionic ?
[18:16] <kulelu88> I don't mind helping out at DebConf. Anything to assist the open-source community. And also, I hope to get trolling rights for poettering/systemd :P
[18:19] <Kilos> kulelu88 register
[18:21] <kulelu88> typo here: "preceded by 9 days of DebCamp, from Thursday, 23 June to Friday, 1 June 2016." Should be 1 July 2016
[18:22] <Kilos> tumbleweed checkout typo
[18:26] <tumbleweed> Kilos: mailed her
[18:26] <Kilos> grewat
[18:26] <Kilos> great as well
[18:26] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: heh, was that in the e-mail?
[18:26] <kulelu88> Yeah, 1 June 2016
[18:27] <Kilos> on the link you gave
[18:27] <Kilos> first paragraph
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro stormers pushing hard hey
[18:28] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: oh well :P
[18:28] <inetpro> Kilos: score?
[18:28] <kulelu88> the sponsorship brochure should just quote the amounts in USD/EUR
[18:29] <Kilos> 9/8 to stormers
[18:29] <kulelu88> Right now, 20,000 USD does not equal R200 000 :D
[18:29] <tumbleweed> kulelu88: also, no, I do very little JS :)
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos, tumbleweed: I've updated the Agenda... up to chesedo to move around and decide where it fits in
[18:29] <tumbleweed> ack
[18:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:29] <Kilos> stormers try
[18:30] <Kilos> 14/8
[18:30] <kulelu88> tumbleweed: There's so much batteries included in JS/Ionic. I swear, it scares me sometimes
[18:31] <Kilos> 16/8
[18:36] <Kilos> 16/11
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh
[18:37] <kulelu88> You watching the game or just following score? Kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> watching
[18:37] <Kilos> score is for the pro
[18:38] <Kilos> and other geeks that dont do sport
[18:45] <Kilos> red card to one brumby for elbow and punches to stromer face
[18:45] <Kilos> 19.11
[18:46] <Kilos> wb bushtech
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro 31/11
[19:05] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:05] <Kilos> go stormy peeps
[19:05] <Kilos> game over
[19:06] <inetpro> mooi!
[19:06] <inetpro> dankie oom Kilos
[19:08] <Kilos> jy baie welkom oompie
[19:09] <kulelu88> so the big game this season will be stormers sharks
[19:10] <Kilos> sharks beet them once
[19:10] <Kilos> beat
[19:10] <Kilos> only team to beat the stormers so far
[19:13] <Kilos> im so stupid you know
[19:13] <inetpro> so the last game for the weekend starts at 23:40?
[19:13] <Kilos> forgot one has to login to edit wiki pages
[19:13] <Kilos> eish
[19:14] <Kilos> ill be in dreamland because someone didnt let me nap this avy
[19:14]  * Kilos wonders who that was
[19:14] <Kilos> and
[19:14] <inetpro> Jaguares against the Chiefs
[19:14] <Kilos> usings bugs as the distraction medium is so devious
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries I'll fix the bugs
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> those arent our teams so we allowed to miss that one
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: no man, will be very interesting to see how this pans out
[19:16] <Kilos> its still a long time to go inetpro
[19:17] <inetpro> :-)
[19:17] <Kilos> months isnt it
[19:17] <inetpro> you're excused oom
[19:17] <inetpro> tomorrow in Sunday after all
[19:17] <magespawn> and a long weekend
[19:17] <inetpro> is*
[19:17] <Kilos> you gotta go to church early and pray for me man
[19:18] <Kilos> how can i ever win without help from above
[19:21] <kulelu88> I still don't quite understand how it works. It is 15 rugby teams, 5 each from SA, NZ, OZ
[19:22] <Kilos> and the japs
[19:22] <kulelu88> which japanese team?
[19:22] <Kilos> and jaguars are argentina i think
[19:22] <magespawn> yes they are
[19:22] <Kilos> they played the rebels today
[19:23] <Kilos> whe i forget their name
[19:24] <Kilos> sunwolves
[19:25] <Kilos> kulelu88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Super_Rugby_season
[19:26] <Kilos> when one spends a lot of time in front of a pc it is healthy to build up a sweat watching your favourite rugby team
[19:27] <Kilos> like the bulls /sharks game was a nail biter
[19:27] <Kilos> kulelu88 arent you in jozi
[19:28] <kulelu88> what happened to the Bulls though. they were so good a few years ago and now they're like, useless
[19:28] <Kilos> many new youngsters
[19:28] <squish102> im not a networking person. if i have a rand <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS> or there about.. how do I do it in the / notation
[19:28] <Kilos> sharks as well
[19:29] <magespawn> squish102: cdr notation is for the entire subnet
[19:29] <kulelu88> most likely using ":"
[19:29] <magespawn> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> is <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[19:31] <magespawn> http://ctdbase.org/detail.go?type=taxon&acc=227855 the entire breakdown of your beetle inetpro
[19:31] <Kilos> wow
[19:31] <squish102> so can i not subnet that range?
[19:31] <squish102> if that makes sense?
[19:32] <squish102> <IP_ADDRESS>/16 < looks something like that?
[19:32]  * squish102 hates networks
[19:32] <magespawn> i forget hold on a sec
[19:33] <pavlushka> night guys, see ya
[19:35] <squish102> found a website to help. <IP_ADDRESS>/27 would do it
[19:36] <squish102> trying to add acl's to pfsense router for squidgard
[19:36] <magespawn> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/430093833139667780/visual-search/?x=0&y=0&w=502&h=370
[19:36] <magespawn> a visual subnetting chart
[19:37] <squish102> that is easier
[19:42] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks! Have posted a follow up of the bugs on G+
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> magespawn is the live bugsquad go to guy
[19:46] <inetpro> definitely
[19:47] <magespawn> cool beans inetpro
[19:48] <Kilos> nice job magespawn bit of a change from sorting sites and wireless probs hey
[19:49] <magespawn> nice change of pace
[19:49] <inetpro> change of pace?
[19:50] <Kilos> so you dont need a rest, a change is as good as a holiday
[19:52]  * inetpro just got reminded to install ipcalc on 16.04
[19:53] <inetpro> one of those tools you always need available in your toolbox
[19:53] <inetpro> $ sudo apt-get install ipcalc
[19:54] <inetpro> and then it's as easy as:
[19:54] <inetpro> ipcalc -n <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:55] <magespawn> if you want to set multiple dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces how do you seperate them with a comma or on a seperate line numbered dns-server1 dns-server2 etc
[19:56] <magespawn> sorry dns-nameservers1 and so on
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: why do it there?
[19:57] <inetpro> on ubuntu server I simply edit /etc/resolv.conf
[19:57] <magespawn> where else? this is on a server
[19:57] <magespawn> okay
[19:57] <magespawn> and the difference is ?
[19:58] <squish102> doesnt resolv.conf get overwritten?
[19:59] <inetpro> squish102: if you're on a desktop and use NetworkManager yes
[19:59] <magespawn> there is a warning not to edit this file by hand it get overwritten
[20:01] <inetpro> well maybe you're right as suggested by the following page:
[20:01] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/351168/diffrence-between-the-dns-setting-in-etc-resolv-conf-and-etc-network-interfaces
[20:01] <Kilos> i remember seeing that
[20:01] <inetpro> but I will have to check on my next server installation
[20:01] <Kilos> squirm showed me how
[20:02] <Kilos> you run some script somewhere
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: and there's the answer to your question as well
[20:03] <Kilos> inetpro may i sleep now
[20:03] <Kilos> please
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[20:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:03] <Kilos> why not?
[20:03] <magespawn> inetpro: so i see thanks
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: 03/19 21:17 <inetpro> you're excused oom
[20:04]  * Kilos bows in gratitude
[20:04]  * inetpro thought he was talking in his sleep
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <inetpro> good night oom :-)
[20:04] <inetpro> lekker slaap
[20:04] <Kilos> dankie, jy ook
[20:05] <inetpro> magespawn: unless things have changed in the latest versions I prefer to not have the resolvconf service running on a server
[20:06] <magespawn> okay, why?
[20:06] <inetpro> don't see why it should be necessary
[20:07] <magespawn> well i have set my server with a static ip address, so i can get to it
[20:08] <magespawn> so i suppose i do not need it to run
[20:09] <kulelu88> all servers run with a static IP, unless it is a localized server running on your ISPs network, then it will be dynamic by default
[20:10] <magespawn> this is at home
[20:11] <inetpro> magespawn: in that case just read man resolv.conf
[20:11] <magespawn> will do
[20:13] <inetpro> also read http://askubuntu.com/questions/131881/why-did-i-have-to-remove-resolvconf-to-get-dnsmasq-to-work-again
[20:14] <inetpro> resolvconf can really be a pain
[20:14] <inetpro> but things keep changing, so it's best to read the latest and stay informed
[20:20] <magespawn> i'll try to stay on top of it
[20:24] <magespawn> bedtime for me, good night all