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[01:27] <Fujitsu> Has anybody else noticed the return of normal window open/close effects to Firefox form autocomplete and AwesomeBar, after installing Fx3b5?
[01:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:43] <ScottK2> Heya bddebian
[01:43] <bddebian> Hi ScottK2
[02:15] <jdong> asac: do you know if the window class for the address-bar drop-down completion window thingie changed between ff3 b4 -> b5?
[02:15] <jdong> asac: because now with b5, compiz in Gutsy does this annoying transition-in effect as if it were a full window
[02:16] <Fujitsu> jdong: Aha, so it's not just me.
[02:17] <Fujitsu> It's not just the awesomebar, it's also the suggestions for form entries.
[02:18] <asac> jdong: i don't think it changed
[02:18] <asac> its always been a full window :)
[02:18] <Fujitsu> The behaviour has certainly changed within the last 12 hours.
[02:19] <jdong> Fujitsu: confirmed, form suggestion windows do the same
[02:19] <jdong> asac: well something regressed, because this didn't happen with the b4 packages
[02:19] <jdong> asac: whether it's the fault of Firefox or some compiz quirking heuristic is less clear
[02:20] <Fujitsu> It's a change in Firefox and not in Compiz or anything else, as Firefox is all I've restarted since I upgraded.
[02:20] <asac> jdong: trey downgrading ffox
[02:20] <jdong> asac: this is a test backport to gutsy, that's the only thing that has chagned on my system in the past 3 hours, so I'm 100% confident it was not caused by any other package changing
[02:21] <Fujitsu> As am I.
[02:23] <jdong> asac: looks like bug 212600 has been reported
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212600 in firefox-3.0 "Location bar dropdown is animated with Compiz Glide effects in Beta 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212600
[02:27] <asac> jdong: mozilla bug 412954
[02:27] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412954 in Widget: Gtk "menus should have Menu, PopupMenu or DropdownMenu window type" [Trivial,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412954
[02:27] <asac> thats what landed and looks related
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Let me guess... it broke the Firefox quirk thing in Compiz?
[02:28] <asac> jdong: maybe try if reverting that patch helps
[02:28] <asac> maybe ;)
[02:29] <asac> Fujitsu: before that patch we had: -            // treat popups with a parent as top level windows
[02:29] <asac> gtk_window_set_wmclass(GTK_WINDOW(mShell), "Toplevel", cBrand.get());
[02:29] <asac> now everything is:
[02:29] <asac> gtk_window_set_wmclass(GTK_WINDOW(mShell), "Popup", cBrand.get());
[02:29] <asac> with proper hints
[02:29] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=305729
[02:30] <jdong> asac: yeah it seems like that patch caused the problem, but I'm not 100% convinced at what's the best fix, reverting this or tweaking our compiz rules
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Turning off the workarounds doesn't fix it :(
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Why not make Firefox use GTK properly? Or would that make too much sense?
[02:30] <asac> Fujitsu: that doesn't make sense
[02:30] <asac> Fujitsu: they already do it properly
[02:31] <asac> on a best efford base
[02:31] <asac> jdong: tweaking the compiz rules
[02:31] <asac> now everything is vmclass "popup"
[02:31] <asac> wmclass
[02:31] <asac> so now firefox is correct
[02:33] <asac> i added compiz and invalidated firefox task until we know that its firefox
[02:33] <jdong> I think asac is right
[02:33] <jdong> based on comment #27 on the mozilla bugzilla
[02:36] <asac> jdong: please add that reference to the bug so the compiz people see it
[02:36] <asac> e.g. link to that comment
[02:38] <Fujitsu> There's a bug on -plugins-main with the patch attached.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> #212600 should probably be marked as a dupe.
[02:39] <asac> Fujitsu: please ensure that the same info goes to that bug then
[02:39] <asac> and take care that its milestoned
[02:39] <asac> i guess that should be fixed for release
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Milestoned, duped, appropriate information moved over to #212542.
[02:54] <jdong> asac: would you mind if I, for the possible gutsy backport of beta5, back out this patch, as trying to fix compiz in both gutsy and gutsy-backports doesn't sound like fun?
[02:56] <asac> jdong: no ... i won't backout that from hardy because of gutsy. do you have a bzr branch for gutsy based on our .dev branch?
[02:56] <asac> we should do it there for gutsy i guess
[02:57] <jdong> asac: no, I don't have a gutsy bzr branch set up based on the .dev's ancestry... I do use bzr locally to track the changes in the packaging and it'd probably be prudent for me to graft that onto a proper bzr branch :)
[02:58] <asac> jdong: please base it on the .dev branch
[02:58] <jdong> will do
[02:58] <asac> should be easy to merge down on every release then
[02:59] <jdong> right
[02:59] <asac> .dev will become .hardy once that is stable
[02:59] <asac> (released)
[02:59] <asac> but will be just a rename i guess
[03:03] <asac> ok scrapbook is done
[03:06] <asac> oops wrong channel :)
[03:11] <jdong> :)
[03:11] <jdong> asac: mmmkay, pushed up backports changes rebased against .dev to LP :)
[03:18] <asac> cool
[03:18] <asac> rebased?
[03:18] <asac> using bzr rebase?
[03:18] <asac> jdong: ?
[03:18] <emgent> heya people :)
[03:19] <jdong> asac: nah I didn't go that fancy, I just lumped it all up into one commit
[03:19] <asac> ;)
[03:19] <jdong> asac: some embarassing mistakes best not see the light of day ;-)
[03:19] <asac> yeah
[03:19] <asac> i know what you mean
[03:20] <jdong> yeah in general xulrunner was quite cooperative with backporting (fortunately), but firefox-3.0 took me at least 5 rounds to get right per release
[03:20] <jdong> though that nspr/nss typo did cause a xulrunner build to fail at the very last step :D
[03:20]  * jdong shakes fist
[03:23] <asac> what was the problem with ffox?
[03:24] <asac> we try to be as cooperative as possible. if there are glitches, we want to know about that ;)
[03:24] <asac> suggestions welcome :)
[03:27] <jdong> asac: well I have to back out the changes that make firefox 3.0 the default firefox, and the process of doing so always seems to be trial-and-error
[03:27] <jdong> asac: not your fault in any way :)
[03:28] <jdong> is there a command to invert a patch or do I have to patch -R then diff?
[03:29] <asac> jdong: you can drop the patch from series?
[03:29] <asac> or do you mean something else?
[03:29] <jdong> asac: well I'm referring to the firefox window toolbar patch from bugzilla
[03:30] <asac> hmm
[03:31] <jdong> nvm I'll just hand-do it. The inverse of that patch is more intrusive than necessary to restore old behavior anyway
[03:31] <asac> maybe flipdiff using an empty patch as second argument :)
[03:31] <asac> great
[03:32] <jdong> but I do like the creativity of that approach :D
[03:32] <asac> should be simple to do when using quilt ;)
[03:32] <jdong> yay, I love quilt..... ;-)
[03:32] <asac> welcome ;)
[03:43] <jdong> grr *whine* this code is in xulrunner?
[04:44] <ashes_of_youth> can anyone offer me some advice regarding a broken translation?
[04:50] <ashes_of_youth> hello
[04:52] <ScottK2> ashes_of_youth: I'd suggest ask in #ubuntu-doc
[05:13] <AnAnt> ScottK2: Hello, I just made another upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=ubuntume-themes
[05:14] <ScottK2> AnAnt: Looking
[05:15] <AnAnt> ScottK2: btw, I see usplash theme is on Ubuntu's repos now ! Thanks!
[05:16] <ScottK2> AnAnt: You're welcome.
[05:19] <ScottK2> AnAnt: Is the bug this fixes reported in Launchpad?
[05:20] <AnAnt> nope
[05:20] <AnAnt> that's why there isn't a Closes: # in changelog
[05:20] <ScottK2> OK.  Just checking.
[05:20] <ScottK2> Also there are other changes you made that need to be documented.
[05:21] <AnAnt> moving x11-apps to Build-Depends-Indep: ?
[05:21] <ScottK2> Yes and the changes in the package description.
[05:21] <AnAnt> Ok, didn't know that they were worth mentioning
[05:22] <ScottK2> After the initial upload they all need to be mentioned.
[05:22] <ScottK2> People need to be able to recontruct from the changelog not only what was done, but why (if it's not obvious).
[05:23] <ScottK2> AnAnt: If you would re-upload to REVU with a more verbose changelog, then I think I could upload it.
[05:24] <AnAnt> so I should mention why I changed long description ?
[05:24] <ScottK2> For that it's enough to say minor edits in the package description.
[05:29] <AnAnt> uploaded
[05:30] <ScottK2> AnAnt: OK.  There's a cron job that needs to run that goes on a ten minute periodic before I see it.
[05:30] <AnAnt> ok, rebooting
[05:35] <null_vector> i'm trying to package flam3 and convert it to 3 packages, executables, so and dev.  are there any resources or examples I could look at to figure out hows to go about this?
[05:35] <jdong> ScottK2: did you have a chance to look at the ff3 backport yet?
[05:37] <AnAnt> ScottK2: ok, it appears on REVU now
[05:39] <ScottK2> AnAnt: Looking
[05:44]  * jdong does some backports triaging
[05:45] <ScottK2> AnAnt: Uploaded
[05:50] <AnAnt> ScottK2: thanks
[05:51] <ScottK2> AnAnt: Thank you for making the extra effort to work through the official archives.
[05:51] <ScottK2> jdong: I'm looking at it now.
[05:51] <jdong> ScottK2: thanks :)
[05:52] <ScottK2> jdong: What xulrunner am I supposed to backport?
[05:53] <jdong> ScottK2: this one: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/motu/ff-backport/beta4/xulrunner-1.9_1.9~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~gutsy1.dsc
[05:53] <jdong> and corresponding firefox: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/motu/ff-backport/beta4/firefox-3.0_3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~gutsy1.dsc
[05:53] <ScottK2> Figured out the problem.
[05:53] <ScottK2> I have the wrong xulrunner.
[05:54] <jdong> ah
[05:54] <ScottK2> I had xulrunner, not xulrunner-1.9
[05:54] <jdong> yeah, that'll do it :)
[05:54] <jdong> that's extreme backporting! :)
[06:00] <ScottK2> jdong: Should we mangle the maintainer?
[06:00] <ScottK2> Nevermind
[06:02] <jdong> ScottK2: I don't think it'd be necessary. Plus, spamming asac with bug reports might be fun ;-)
[06:02] <ScottK2> Yeah.
[06:03] <ScottK2> jdong: You've tested these are all good and I'm just your mule on this.  Right?
[06:03] <jdong> ScottK2: yes, it's all tested for several weeks and known good :)
[06:03] <ScottK2> OK.
[06:04] <jdong> ScottK2: we can play this game with beta5 again in around two weeks :D
[06:08] <ScottK2> jdong: Uploaded.  If you'd please do that Launchpad update.
[06:09] <jdong> ScottK2: awesome
[06:09] <ScottK2> jdong: Now how about wine?
[06:09] <ScottK2> Is the current version good to go back?
[06:10] <jdong> ScottK2: I've been running 0.9.57, not 0.9.58, but that's on my TODO list to look at
[06:10] <jdong> for tonight
[06:10] <ScottK2> Great.
[06:10] <jdong> I'm first going through the obvious/trivial backports that are already confirmed, then I'll take a look at wine and finish this SRU I promised
[06:23] <jdong> stupid Debian question, does Debian keep old revisions of their packages somewhere?
[06:28] <Fujitsu> snapshot.debian.net
[06:34] <jdong> thanks!
[06:34] <jdong> it would also help if I look for the patch in the right version of the package :D
[10:20] <Iulian> G'morning.
[14:15] <james_w> siretart: I don't know if you have seen this: http://patches.ubuntu.com/b/boxbackup/boxbackup_0.10+really0.10-1ubuntu3.patch
[14:26] <ScottK2> Dear jdong: Please have a look at Bug #211910 and let us know what you think.
[14:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211910 in rtorrent "[FFe] request for new upstream version " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211910
[14:28] <ScottK2> jdong: Shouldn't the wine bug for gutsy-backports be set to In Progress?
[14:43] <protonchris> ScottK2: If you have time today, could you look at Bug 212301 and sponsor an upload?
[14:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212301 in glom "Please update glom to newest version (1.6.13)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212301
[15:32] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: ping
[15:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: what do i need to know about the release stuff, apart from the info gained from having read the emails to the list?
[15:33] <Laney> james_w: I finally got round to emailing the ML ;)
[15:43] <james_w> Laney: ah, thanks.
[15:43] <Laney> No probs. I suddenly realised on the way back from campus that I'd not done it yet
[15:50] <siretart> james_w: oh, no thanks for the hint!
[15:50] <siretart> err, insert a '.' at the appropriate place :)
[15:55] <james_w> :-)
[15:55] <james_w> siretart: you don't want a bug with the patch in Debian?
[15:57] <protonchris> ScottK2: nevermind.  Looks like RainCT_ is taking a look.
[16:17] <siretart> james_w: if want and have the time, please do. I'll try to think about it when I do the next upload of boxbackup. btw, do you use boxbackup yourself?
[16:21] <jdong> s/sb end
[16:22] <jdong> ScottK2: (!) Yeah, I did forget to change the status in wine; fixed. (2) I talked to sistpoty about rtorrent the other day, I think it's a good candidate for FFe
[16:28] <ScottK2> jdong: Please mark it in the bug.
[16:29] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Pong: I don't think anything.
[16:29] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: good, OK
[16:30] <protonchris> RainCT: thanks for sponsoring glom
[16:30] <RainCT> protonchris: no problem, thanks for working on it :)
[16:31] <RainCT> protonchris: (if you are wondering why you haven't got the mail yet, that's because the .orig.tar.gz is still being uploaded :P)
[16:31] <protonchris> RainCT: ah thanks.  Yeah I was waiting.  I wanted to see the additional changes you added.
[16:32] <protonchris> RainCT: any advice?
[16:32] <ScottK2> protonchris: It's better to have someone sponsoring you that does not, on a grumpy day, consider breaking Gnome a feature.
[16:32] <protonchris> ScottK2: LOL.  Good to know.
[16:33] <ScottK2> Actually it's mostly just Mono I consider breaking a feature, but the two go together just a little.
[16:36] <RainCT> protonchris: the changes are just that debian/copyright only mentioned GPL2 but the source files say "2 or later" so I replaced that with the full GPL header as it is there (in the source), and that there was a ". Homepage:" left in glom's description
[16:36] <protonchris> RainCT: great thanks.
[16:37] <RainCT> ScottK2: heh, what happened?
[16:37] <ScottK2> RainCT: Nothing, just don't like Mono.
[16:37] <RainCT> ah, lol
[16:42]  * jdong looks at cherrypicking clutchbt....
[16:43] <megabyte405> Does anyone know of a good resource on the accepted way to build a single source package from what are several upstream tarballs?
[16:48] <jdong> megabyte405: I'd suggest grouping all of them into a single orig.tar.gz, if it's a good idea to group them together in the first place.
[16:49] <megabyte405> that's what I was planning on doing. They untar into program-version, program-plugins-version, and so on, where version is all the same and the same as the "orig" version - is there a variable I can use so I don't have to rename the untarred folders?
[16:58] <james_w> siretart: sure, I'll file one.
[16:58] <james_w> siretart: I don't use it, I was just looking at the diff.
[16:58] <james_w> siretart: I used to work with one of the developers though.
[17:47] <ScottK2> jdong: Please say something nice in Bug #211910 and then I'll approve it.
[17:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211910 in rtorrent "[FFe] request for new upstream version " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211910
[17:47] <jdong> ScottK2: I thought I already was quoted in that?
[17:48] <ScottK2> jdong: You were, but I'd like to have a "No, really, we want this" that comes after the last comment.
[17:49] <jdong> ScottK2: ok :)
[17:49] <ScottK2> Thanks
[17:50] <jdong> ScottK2: done :)
[17:50] <ScottK2> Thanks
[17:55] <ScottK2> jdong: Approved, so some motu might want to look at sponsoring the changes ...
[17:56] <jdong> ooh I haven't hit the upload button in a while :)
[17:56] <jdong> ack so that's why Firefox is crashing
[17:57]  * jdong notes that flashplugin gets very very upset when it's not allowed to write to ~/.macromedia
[17:58] <ScottK2> pochu: Are you worrying after screenlets?
[17:58] <ScottK2> pochu: It looks like it needs some grabbing of patches from the upstream bzr.
[17:59] <jdong> ScottK2: I feel blind.... is the debdiff/interdiff/diff.gz even on the bug report?
[18:01] <ScottK2> jdong: It's not.    I'm sure he'll upload it.
[18:01] <jdong> ah ok
[18:01] <jdong> excellent
[18:01] <pochu> ScottK2: I'm not, and I'm busy...
[18:02] <ScottK2> OK.
[18:02] <pochu> (and I'm not here)
[18:02] <ScottK2> jdong: Care at all about screenlets?  That needs some uploading by someone who cares about Gnome.
[18:02] <jdong> ScottK2: I don't know what it does, if that says anything :)
[18:02] <ScottK2> Heh.
[18:02] <ScottK2> OK.
[18:03] <slytherin> jdong: something like dashboard widgets in OS X
[18:03] <ScottK2> There we go.  A volunteer...
[18:03] <slytherin> ScottK2: Are you one of the build admins who can promote a package to main?
[18:03] <ScottK2> slytherin: No.
[18:04] <ScottK2> Promotions are done via Main Inclusion Report.  You can file one.
[18:04] <slytherin> ScottK2: No the package is in main for i386 and amd64 already. It is not for powerpc
[18:05] <ScottK2> slytherin: Ah.  You'll want to discuss that with pitti then on Monday probably.
[18:05] <ScottK2> slytherin: Do you have any interest in screenlets?
[18:06] <slytherin> ScottK2: Ok. As suggested by Hobbsee I have already filed a bug. I will talk with pitti tomorrow. The problem is that f-spot has depwait due to this.
[18:06] <cody-somerville> Whats the difference between screenlets and desklets?
[18:06] <slytherin> ScottK2: I have just used them once.
[18:06] <ScottK2> Dunno.  I mostly see a lot of bugs being filed and upstream commenting which bzr commit fixes the bug.
[18:06] <ScottK2> I was hoping someone like slytherin might go through them and pull the patches in.
[18:07] <slytherin> ScottK2: Any specific bug?
[18:09] <ScottK2> slytherin: Bug 197712 Bug 212175 Bug 198675 Bug 195036 Bug 205526 and probably more.
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197712 in screenlets "ACPIBatteryScreenlet.py crashed with OSError in __create_tempfile()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197712
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212175 in screenlets "VolumeControlScreenlet.py crashed with IOError in __create_tempfile()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212175
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198675 in screenlets "SensorsScreenlet.py crashed with TypeError in update()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198675
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195036 in screenlets "MainMenuScreenlet.py crashed with TypeError in __render_cell()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195036
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205526 in screenlets "screenlets-manager.py crashed with UnboundLocalError in get_info_from_package_name()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205526
[18:09] <absoluteuri> Hi, new here, trying to help. I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO#WeeklyTasks the first one (#106244) the last entry was 2007-07-29...I thought that list gets reset weekly? Is this still an active bug?
[18:10] <ScottK2> Bug 106244
[18:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106244 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "CONF Variable in /etc/init.d/mysql unused - support for multiple instance/version of mysql" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106244
[18:10] <ScottK2> Looks like, but it's also a package in Main, so I'm not sure what it's doing on the MOTU list.
[18:11] <absoluteuri> OK, not sure where to begin with helping
[18:11] <ScottK2> absoluteuri: One area that needs work is to see if there are critical bug fixes in Debian that we don't have.  See http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/
[18:12] <absoluteuri> 'approx' is Ubuntu V 3.0.0 but Debian 3.1.0 so this means that the fixes in 3.1.0 need to be ported to the ubuntu 3.0?
[18:13] <sebner> ScottK: you are wise. very wise
[18:13] <sebner> ScottK2: same message -> you are wise. very wise
[18:14] <slytherin> ScottK2: how about we package screenlets 0.1?
[18:24] <protonchris> For critical debian bug fixes, is it preferred to try and patch the ubuntu version or sync the new package version?
[18:24] <james_w> protonchris: it depends how much else is changed in the new Debian version.
[18:25] <james_w> if its only the bug fix then sync, otherwise it is your call.
[18:27] <protonchris> I noticed that sebner has marked the list with the ones he is working on.  Is it possible for me to do the same?
[18:27] <sebner> protonchris: sure
[18:28] <protonchris> Thanks.  I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be overstepping my bounds.
[18:42] <mok0> sebner?
[18:42] <sebner> mok0: yes?
[18:43] <mok0> I was just wondering:
[18:44] <mok0> you filed a whole bunch of sync requests. Have you cleared it with the release team?
[18:45] <sebner> mok0: these are normal syncs and we have the 6th april. so I don't need a release team!?
[18:45] <sebner> *the
[18:45] <mok0> sebner: not if there are no new features
[18:45] <sebner> mok0: there are now features ;) I checked it. But you are invited to check and give an ACK ;)
[18:46] <sebner> *no new feautres
[18:46] <sebner> *feature -.-
[18:46] <mok0> sebner: ah :-)
[18:46] <mok0> sebner: I am not in the release team though
[18:46] <sebner> mok0: MOTU ACK is enough ;)
[18:47] <mok0> sebner: he, yes, I can assign them to the archive admin
[18:47] <sebner> mok0: please check it before ;)
[18:47] <sebner> mok0: doesn't seem to are familiar with u-u-s?
[18:48] <mok0> sebner: not really :-)
[18:48] <sebner> ^^
[18:49] <sebner> mok0: If you want to 1) check if my syncs requests are really *normal* syncs" 2) give a comment with "ACK" 3) subscibe the archive admins
[18:49] <mok0> sebner: I will go through some of them, going for dinner soon
[18:49] <sebner> mok0: thanks so much :)
[18:49] <mok0> sebner: right
[18:50] <mok0> sebner: are those bugs from the rcbugs page?
[18:50] <sebner> mok0: about 90%
[18:50] <mok0> sebner: great
[18:50] <sebner> :D
[19:13] <^linux26> I was thinking about packaging the Bullet Physics engine (v2.67, http://www.bulletphysics.com/) and the Horde3D graphics engine (v0.5.0, http://www.nextgen-engine.net/). Do you have any suggestions or I can start packaging right away?
[19:14] <ScottK> Check and make sure neither are in Debian already or have Debian ITP bugs indicating someone else is already working on them.
[19:14] <RainCT> ^linux26: just remember that it's to late to get it into Hardy now
[19:15] <^linux26> RainCT: sure, the feature freeze
[19:15] <^linux26> ScottK: okay I'll do that
[19:17] <sebner> mok0: your comments are unusual and interesting. rock on :D
[19:17] <mok0> sebner: unusual?
[19:17] <mok0> :)
[19:18] <sebner> mok0: normally they just right "ACK" or "Sync request ACK". Normally it doesn't matter how important it is. but your comments are nice ^^
[19:18] <sebner> *write -.-
[19:18] <mok0> sebner: Perhaps I will get sloppier with time
[19:19] <sebner> mok0: would be a pitty :)
[19:20] <mok0> :-D
[19:20] <mok0> Dinner!!!
[19:20] <sebner> hf
[19:25] <^linux26> It appears that Blender3D uses the Bullet Physics engine - but there is no 'bullet' package in debian/ubuntu; looks like the library is embedded in the package
[19:35] <^linux26> ScottK: looks like no-one ever packaged the Bullet Physics engine or the Horde3D graphics engine yet
[19:36] <emgent> hi people
[20:04] <cody-somerville> StevenK, ping
[20:09] <emgent> hey cody-somerville :)
[20:10] <cody-somerville> Heya emgent :)
[20:40] <JohnPinWa> Hello.  I'm looking for ways to contribute to Ubuntu as a developer.  I'm reading the "How to get involved" web pages but can't find the "Do this step next" instructions.  Who do I tell I'm here and ask how I can help?
[20:41] <mok0> ! packaging
[20:41] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[20:43] <mok0> JohnPinWa: or if you want to chase bugs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[20:44] <mok0> and ... ! bugs
[20:44] <mok0> !bugs
[20:44] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:44] <JohnPinWa> I've been using Linux and Ubuntu for a while but should probably start on the basics.  What's "ground level" grunt work in this outfit?
[20:45] <mok0> JohnPinWa: Finding and reporting bugs -- i.e. stress testing of programs -- is very useful and you will learn finding your way around Launchpad
[20:46] <mok0> JohnPinWa: another task is triaging bugs, i.e. see if you can reproduce them, and supply additional information to the bug report
[20:46] <JohnPinWa> MokO: Launchpad is really stumping me at this point.  I see what I see but can't figure out how to DO anything with it.  Probably a good place to start huh?
[20:47] <mok0> JohnPinWa: yeah. It is pretty stumping, but once you get to know it, it's a pretty powerful tool.   Wasn't saying launchpad was the problem.
[20:49] <JohnPinWa> I'll take a look Iulian.
[20:49] <nand> JohnPinWa: I have a few PHP tasks for Brainstorm if you want...
[20:50] <mok0> ... but est. 90% of users only use the "Bugs" feature, or perhaps ask and/or answer questions in "Answers"
[20:50] <JohnPinWa> I don't know diddly about PHP.  Python, bash, and a few other scripting/special purpose languages.  I'd love for this to wind up with me working with C.
[20:51] <nand> too bad :)
[20:51] <RainCT> nand: i'm curious, what are those tasks?
[20:51] <mok0> JohnPinWa: You mean you know Python, bash, etc., but not PHP?
[20:52] <JohnPinWa> Yep.  PHP just looked ugly.  Never got interested.
[20:52] <nand> RainCT: one of those: http://www.ndeschildre.net/brainstorm-todo-list/
[20:52] <JohnPinWa> Dang near as bad as perl.
[20:53] <mok0> JohnPinWa: Python is installed a bit differently in Ubuntu than intended by Guido et al. You may want to read up on that
[20:53] <nand> that's quite a lot of tasks, from easy to hard ones
[20:55] <JohnPinWa> Mok0: yeah, that's inherited from Debian I think.  I used to watch that mailing list and the discussion on it was endless.
[20:56]  * Iulian is going to sleep - g'night.
[20:57] <mok0> JohnPinWa: It has been settled mostly
[20:58] <JohnPinWa> mok0: it should be by know but settled "Debian style" which may not have been "Python style".  Still, I've never had a problem with python on Ubuntu.
[20:59] <mok0> JohnPinWa: Basically, the distribution needs to allow for several versions of Python installed simultaneously, which is not the focus of Guido et al
[20:59] <JohnPinWa> mok0: Well I can see that makes sense from both points of view.
[21:00] <mok0> JohnPinWa: but python-central is the preferred tool being used now, it takes care of all the grunt work (e.g. byte-compiling for all the different versions)
[21:06] <warp10> Hi all!
[21:16] <linux26> I have a big upstream tarball (Horde3D SDK) which contains a library and demos and data for the demos. How can I split it into several deb packages?
[21:30] <RainCT> linux26: install the stuff into a temp directory (usually debian/tmp/) and from there move it into the different packages (with *.install files for example)
[21:31] <linux26> RainCT: I'll look that up, thanks
[22:02] <jdong> haha, jdong's lazy crack of the day: cached rmadison dependency checker
[22:02] <jdong> a python script using a sqlite-cached rmadison backend to parse build-deps and check em against various Ubuntu distros
[22:02] <jdong> for those extra lazy and impatient backporting days :D
[22:13] <null_vector> I'm trying to package flam3 and I'm getting the shouldn't be linked with errors from dpkg-shlibdeps but I can't find how those libs are being included in the first place.
[22:13] <null_vector> It's an autotools/libtool package.  Any suggestions?
[22:22] <mok0> null_vector: you can ignore those errors
[22:23] <mok0> null_vector: they appear when you build shared libraries
[22:27] <null_vector> I'm splitting the package into lib / executable packages though and getting those warnings for the executables though
[22:27] <null_vector> That was almost a coherent sentence.
[22:36] <mok0> null_vector: you can safely ignore them
[22:44] <null_vector> thanks
[22:49] <RainCT> good night
[23:01] <JohnPinWa> When someone offers mentoring in Launchpad how do you contact him/her to let them know you'd like to learn about it?
[23:04] <ScottK2> I'd suggest commenting in the bug about what you'd plan to do and what questions you have and see if they react.
[23:07] <JohnPinWa> ScottK2:  Okay.  Now how do I "comment in a bug"?  Seriously I've spent the day wandering from wiki page to wikipage trying to figure out how to get started.  No joy.
[23:07] <ScottK2> JohnPinWa: What bug?
[23:08] <JohnPinWa> On this website: https://launchpad.net/%7Ebugsquad/+mentoring
[23:09] <JohnPinWa> There are a list of bugs that people are available to mentor on.  I'd love to learn how to start helping but I'm stuck.
[23:10] <persia> JohnPinWa: For bugsquad-mentored bugs, you likely want #ubuntu-bugs, as the process is a little different.
[23:10] <JohnPinWa> I've joined mailing lists as well.  Perhaps I should give a shout out there?
[23:10] <persia> JohnPinWa: For those, I'd recommend asking for help with the bug in IRC.
[23:10] <JohnPinWa> Yeah, I asked there a while back.  No response.
[23:10] <ScottK2> Actually I need to go, so hopefully someone else will help you out.
[23:10] <JohnPinWa> Persia: thanks.
[23:10] <JohnPinWa> ScottK2: thanks.
[23:11] <persia> JohnPinWa: Maybe just a bad time of day :(
[23:11] <JohnPinWa> yeah.  Or I'm spectacularly dense.  Not an option I ever dismiss lightly.
[23:12] <JohnPinWa> I'll keep plugging.  Something will give.  Not sure if this is for me but I'm sure I want to find out.
[23:12] <james_w> JohnPinWa: I don't think so. Is there a bug you would particularly like to work on?
[23:15] <james_w> JohnPinWa: also, those bugs won't be the simplest ones. It looks they are ones that would take a bit of work, but someone would be willing to give you pointers.
[23:15] <james_w> there are a load of bugs that would be quite easy, and that people would be willing to help you with, but mentoring hasn't been offered for them.
[23:30] <JohnPinWa> james_w: Thank you.  perisa just walked me through a bit in the bugs channel.  And there's a hug day coming up Tuesday.  I'll just hang around pestering people until I get my feet on the ground.
[23:33] <mok0> Just a quick procedure question: how do I upload a package that someone else has signed off in debian/changelog
[23:33] <mok0> should I just sign the changes file?
[23:34] <mok0> ... or specify my own keyid
[23:34] <Fujitsu> mok0: debuild -S -k<yourkeyid>
[23:35] <Fujitsu> or just debsign -k<yourkeyid> existing_source.changes
[23:35] <Fujitsu> But you should be building the .changes yourself anyway, so the former should be easier.
[23:35] <mok0> Fujitsu: thx! No "-sa" switch?
[23:35] <Fujitsu> -sa if you need it.
[23:36] <Fujitsu> But that shouldn't be needed much, particularly now we're well past FF.
[23:36] <mok0> Fujitsu: which is..  when the tar.gz is already in the archive?
[23:36] <Fujitsu> -sa is when the .tar.gz isn't in the archive.
[23:36] <Fujitsu> It doesn't hurt to upload it again, but it's a waste of time.
[23:36] <mok0> Fujitsu: got it, thx
[23:38] <soren> Fujitsu: Why should he be building the .changes himself?
[23:39] <persia> mok0: In the case where the package has multiple new changelog entries (e.g. merges), don't forget the -v to debuild.
[23:39] <mok0> persia: ok, but this one doesn't.
[23:40] <mok0> soren: because I need to upload a diff.gz also
[23:40] <persia> soren: Verification and review?  The typical sponsoring model is to receive a debdiff, apply it, and build the .changes.
[23:40] <soren> If someone has provided you with a .changes file, they will also have provided you with a diff.gz.
[23:41] <soren> persia: I'm perfectly happy to accept a signed .changes and diff.gz and do my review from that, and if it's good, resign just the .changes file and upload.
[23:41] <mok0> soren: I got a debdiff from LP; I want to build and upload the source package
[23:41] <soren> I think that's a good workflow.
[23:41] <soren> mok0: Ok, got it.
[23:42] <Fujitsu> It's a lot easier to review the debdiff than review the debdiff, .dsc and .changes.
[23:42] <persia> soren: I guess.  I prefer to see things in LP for documentary purposes, and think more than a debdiff is typically wasteful of librarian storage.
[23:42] <Fujitsu> As neither of the last two are trustworthy.
[23:43] <soren> Fujitsu: It's either one or the other.
[23:43]  * persia doesn't see any value to .changes, if a debdiff or diff.gz is available
[23:44] <soren> It makes for good practice for coming MOTU's.
[23:44] <persia> How?
[23:45] <soren> If they're used to providing .changes+dsc+diff, then the upload process will not be as alien to them, when they get upload rights.
[23:45] <soren> It's not so much of an issue anymore with ppa's and all that, though.
[23:45] <persia> The upload process consists of calling dput.  There are lots of places to practice.
[23:45] <persia> Anyway, one typically generates all of that in the process of creating a debdiff.
[23:46] <soren> persia: Yes. Possibly incorrectly.
[23:46] <soren> persia: If I get a .changes file, I review that too. It's especially handy for merges.
[23:46] <persia> soren: I suspect I'm missing something.  Which part concerns you?
[23:46] <persia> Ah.  The -v :)  Yes, that's a good bit.


[12:35] <pflanze> Hi. Where can I get image signatures (PGP)?
[12:36] <pflanze> why can I not find this sha256 sum? 805ed3580ce1ee5e09611d414fac4ec6925badc3cb301a00947b6aad40d08de6
[12:36] <bekks> Ubuntu does not shiPGP image signatures, afauik, and where did you look for the SHA256 checksums?
[12:37] <bekks> And where is that checksum from?
[12:38] <pflanze> that's from the file I got from bittorrent
[12:38] <pflanze> after showing up as 100% downloaded. Oddly now I'm getting 7e0fdb66dbc9a21ec3f710dcd686f09447cf8f3fdd4c868bad2a8107abc8fdeb instead
[12:39] <pflanze> which still can't be found in DDG
[12:39] <bekks> Forget bittorrent and use an official download mirror instead.
[12:39] <bekks> Whatever "DDG" might be.
[12:39] <pflanze> Gah, xubuntu's hoem page recomments bittorrent
[12:39] <pflanze> DDG=DuckDuckGo
[12:39] <pflanze> notzhing in google either
[12:40] <bekks> Putting in checksums in a search engine is futile.
[12:40] <pflanze> why
[12:40] <bekks> Because it is nonsense.
[12:40] <pflanze> just because?
[12:40] <bekks> Whyich Ubuntu file exactly did you download?
[12:40] <pflanze> xubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[12:41] <bekks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/
[12:41] <pflanze> Assuming the search engine isn't corrupted I don't see why seaching in one doesn't give a good confidence.
[12:41] <pflanze> xubuntu?
[12:42] <pflanze> I need a live image.
[12:42] <bekks> 14http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/
[12:42] <bekks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/ ...
[12:45] <pflanze> Thanks, that contains gpg signatures.
[12:45] <pflanze> Above hash is correct. ODd that Google doesnt have it
[12:51] <bekks> Because hashes are changing often, search engines dont store them. Searching for them is futile.
[12:52] <bekks> And a search engine delivering a hash could still be delivering a faked one.
[12:55] <pflanze> usually them are fast enough really, 2 weeks or so
[12:55] <pflanze> yes level of paranoia is a parameter
[12:55] <pflanze> better than http as xubuntu website gives.
[12:55] <bekks> two weeks and fst in one sentence? You must be kidding.
[12:56] <bekks> *fast
[12:56] <bekks> Level of paranoia is a parameter for medication, not for IT. :)
[14:41] <xubuntu82w> hi all!
[14:41] <xubuntu82w> anyone online?
[14:42] <xubuntu82w> can someone tell me how can i kick windows 10 out of my machine?
[19:55] <Gotolei> how do i even begin to troubleshoot this? https://i.imgur.com/A2ytkWm.png
[19:55] <Gotolei> somehow dbus has broken so that notifications don't know to replace each other
[19:55] <Gotolei> curiously, the brightness notifications work fine
[19:56] <Gotolei> but if i scroll over the sound indicator it just fills up the screen
[21:10] <gnfr> Hi all! I have a simple question, why does Chromium remain running in the background after closed?
[21:22] <xubuntu48i> hi
[21:25] <knome> hello


[17:59] <yano> http://www.whio.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/ohio-supreme-court-to-hear-springfield-red-light-c/nrqWT/
[17:59] <jenni> [ Ohio Supreme Court to hear Springfield red light camera lawsuit | www.whio.com ] - https://bit.ly/29bp4jQ
[20:08] <Unit193> yano: You busy the 11th or 12th?
[20:11] <yano> Unit193: I work during the day but I can be free in the evening
[20:11] <Unit193> Asheesh is going to be in Ohio for a wedding, not sure you know him?
[20:13] <yano> I don't recognize that IRC nick
[20:14] <yano> who has a wedding on a Mon/Tues?
[20:15] <Unit193> Hah, nah.  He's got a wedding there, and has those days open.
[20:15] <Unit193> Asheesh Laroia is a Debian and Ubuntu person, thought you had a chance of knowing him too perhaps.
[20:16] <pavlushka> yano: Hindu peoples can have wedding on any day and at any moment, its called Lagna.
[20:16] <pavlushka> mostly people from India
[20:17] <yano> oh, maybe? I'm not close/tight with people in the Ubuntu/Debian circles
[20:17] <yano> pavlushka: ooh, neat, I didn't know that
[20:17] <pavlushka> Hello Unit193 ; you wanna go?
[20:17] <Unit193> At this point, I've only met one or two, and not sure how involved they are anymore.  I talk to people online is all. :P
[20:17] <Unit193> pavlushka: To a social meetup?  Not my cup of tea generally, but maybe sure.
[20:18] <pavlushka> Unit193: lol, why so?
[20:20] <pavlushka> Unit193: Its fun, They fast/Upwas till the Lagna, and only after that they eat, some time they had to fast more than a day may be.
[20:21] <pavlushka> Unit193: So you dont have to have a cup of tea, :p
[20:21] <Unit193> Ah, if you're talking about that, yeah weddings aren't my favorite either. :P
[20:22] <pavlushka> Unit193: why so? Is it because you are not married or what?
[20:23] <pavlushka> yano: what do you think?
[20:23] <yano> what do I think about what?
[20:27] <pavlushka> yano: I was just trying to involve in the convo, go with the flow, :p
[20:29] <yano> oh, hah
[20:29] <Unit193> yano: Where's a decent place to go then? :P
[20:30] <pavlushka> Unit193: are you in the office? just curious, you know, I am always curious with Units, :p
[20:31] <Unit193> I'm still in Ohio, does that count for anything?
[20:36] <yano> Unit193: in Columbus?
[20:36] <yano> for food, there are lots of places
[20:36] <yano> .food 43210
[20:36] <jenni> How about, Cap City Fine Diner and Bar?
[20:36] <Unit193> Yeah, I've only metup with people here.
[20:41] <yano> https://thebrexitplan.com/
[20:41] <jenni> [ Exclusive: Nigel Farage's Plan for UK Departure of the EU ] - https://thebrexitplan.com
[23:32] <dzho> yano++ for the brexit link
[23:32] <jenni> yano: +4/-0, 4
[23:32] <dzho> I found that very illuminating


[00:18] <trinikrono> hey guys
[00:18] <trinikrono> just to let you know i just edited this page
[00:19] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[00:19] <trinikrono> because a link was not working
[00:19] <trinikrono> and i fixed it
[12:27] <blemish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/671178
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671178 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[CA0106 - CA0106] ALSA test tone not correctly played back (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[12:27] <blemish> anyone has any clue about this bug?
[13:06] <rusivi> blemish: I noticed in bug 671178 you native installed Lucid then upgraded to Maverick? May want to try a Live CD of Maverick to see if a configuration change since upgrading from Lucid to Maverick contributed to the problem.
[13:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671178 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[CA0106 - CA0106] ALSA test tone not correctly played back (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671178
[13:15] <rusivi> blemish: I've upgraded from Lucid to Maverick, Live CD'ed Maverick, & native installed Maverick, whenever the sound did not work it was because of how I configured it. I'm not a dev so I can't say for certain this is the OP's problem, but based on the OP noting that the Maverick Live CD sound works, it seems the way alsa is configured is the problem.
[13:17] <blemish> rusivi: yes, I figured as much. But ALSA modules are loaded and speakers are not muted, so I don't know what could be the problem.
[13:20] <rusivi> blemish: IMHO, the bug should be placed in Low Importance as the OP notes sound works in Lucid native install,  and Maverick Live CD. In the meantime, the OP should perform a native install of Lucid/Maverick to recover sound while the dev's have at it.
[13:21] <blemish> the OP=me :-)
[13:22] <rusivi> blemish: Ah, if you like you may post your IRC name in your Ubuntu profile, no big deal.
[13:22] <blemish> rusivi:  already reinstalled ubuntu, but I didn't delete the home directory
[13:22] <blemish> rusivi: will do
[13:22] <rusivi> k
[13:24] <blemish> rusivi: do you think I should format the home partition as well?
[13:26] <rusivi> blemish: I think a full native install is a good way to go if not massively inconvenient.
[13:27] <blemish> rusivi: it isn't and I'm pretty sure it will bring the sound back.
[13:27] <rusivi> blemish: Ok, give it a go and let us know how it went :D
[13:27] <blemish> rusivi: what irks me is that I won't find the cause of the bug
[15:04] <AbhiJit> hi
[15:04] <AbhiJit> i would like someone to triage this bug please
[15:04] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yarssr/+bug/675198
[15:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675198 in yarssr (Ubuntu) "yarssr dont support seperate browser command for each rss feed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:04] <AbhiJit> its a wishlist.
[17:00] <geekosopher> should I be marking bug 673350 as New again or does it have enough information to be marked as triaged?
[17:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673350 in emacs-snapshot (Ubuntu) "Can't install emacs23 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673350
[19:21] <m4t> hey, is there a way to switch a bug on launchpad to another package? eg. from gcc to binutils?
[19:24] <m4t> hmm, i 'switched' it, thanks
[20:28] <yofel> Daniel0108: about yesterdays meta-gnome bug, please make sure you have read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Developer%20Process%20Bugs
[20:29] <njin> hello everybody, wich is the package for the binary gnome-keyboard-properties?
[20:32] <yofel> !find gnome-keyboard-properties
[20:32] <ubot2> yofel: Please use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to search for files
[20:33] <yofel> njin: ah well, apt-file says gnome-control-center
[20:34] <njin> ok, thanks yofel but can i found it ?
[20:35] <yofel> njin: 'apt-file find gnome-keyboard-properties' or 'apt-file find /usr/bin/gnome-keyboard-properties' if you're looking for the specific file
[20:35] <yofel> njin: or if you have the packge installed, dpkg -S works too
[20:35] <njin> yofel: many thanks again
[20:35] <yofel> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[21:15] <njin> can someone triage this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/661294 thanks
[21:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661294 in ubuntu "System lock-up when receiving large files (big data amount) from NFS server (affects: 1) (heat: 122)" [Undecided,New]