[12:39] <cody> ok here itgoes again :D. my fingets are crossed
[12:40] <cody> -_- now i need to find Python livbrary/headers
[12:40] <hydrogen> cody: is the package you are trying to install in the repo?
[12:41] <cody> prolly not,
[12:41] <cody> superkaramba
[12:41] <hydrogen> !info superkaramba
[12:41] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 533 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[12:41] <hydrogen> so
[12:41] <hydrogen> yes
[12:41] <hydrogen> but if you still feel like installing manually for whatever reason
[12:42] <hydrogen> sudo apt-get build-dep superkaramba
[12:42] <idagas> i can't figure out a damn thing for kubuntu, i have no wired connection and can't seem to get any packages to install...
[12:42] <cody> heh
[12:43] <idagas> is it possible to download all the files you need prior to having intalled kubuntu 7 to get ndiswrapper to work?
[12:43] <Biovore> idagas: yup... just got to know what deb packages you need..  and save them on a cd or something..
[12:43] <cody> yes
[12:44] <idagas> it just seems like you have to have an internet connection to get started
[12:44] <idagas> i'm tryin to do that
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> !register
[12:44] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:44] <idagas> i got a number of kernal modules and build-essential etc...
[12:44] <idagas> can't get them to install
[12:45] <idagas> all the .debs have 'errors can't find...'
[12:46] <BluesKaj> !sources.list
[12:46] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:46] <cody> wow 388meg worth of dependancies
[12:47] <cody> so... how do i run superkaramba?
[12:49] <Biovore> cody: alt-f2 and type superkaramba
[12:49] <Biovore> its in the menu's somewhere as well
[12:50] <cody> you rock
[12:52] <jago_> can some one tell me if there is an equalizer for Kaffeine
[12:53] <bigleon1> Is it possible on kubuntu to seemesly switch between US keyboard and Ger board?
[12:53] <Beyer> Using kubuntu, and cant get sounds working. Mixer cannot be found, how to fix this?
[12:53] <bigleon1> LIke XP there is like this button on app bar i can hit to change them
[12:54] <cody> Thankyouguys soo much
[12:54] <cody> youv been a big help
[12:56] <Beyer> Using kubuntu, and cant get sounds working. Mixer cannot be found,  lspci says Multimedia audio controller ALi
[12:56] <cody> So anyy news on the knetworkmanager alternative
[12:57] <Biovore> cody: the alternitive is not to use it..  (Thats what I do..)
[12:59] <cody> Biovore: How do I connect then?
[12:59] <Beyer> tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat says MIXERS NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
[12:59] <mauri> it's possibile t resize a partition without to lose data
[01:00] <cody> Im using linksys and knetwork dosnt like linksys
[01:04] <elzbal> mauri: Yes it is, but it's a bit dangerous. You can do a google search for "ubuntu resize partition". The first link looks promising, but I've never done it, so I don't know to suggest any particular method to you.
[01:04] <cody> Trying to install a new mouse theme and there is a make.sh but all it does is opens in kate
[01:06] <mauri> elzbal: ok i supposed
[01:06] <mauri> elzbal: thanks
[01:06] <cody> can anyonepoint me in the correct direction
[01:06] <elzbal> mauri: Like I said, it's a bit dangerous. I'd back up anything you care about first.
[01:07] <mauri> elzbal: sorry i didn't understan
[01:08] <elzbal> mauri: Well, you have the possibility of losing all the data on your machine. So if you want to keep any of it, I'd make a backup first.
[01:08] <mauri> elzbal: ok now it's clear
[01:09] <BluesKaj> mauri check out GParted , a live cd partition editor , which i have used sucessfully several times to resize and move partitions , both linux and windows > I f you are resizng a windows partition however , be sure to defrag it first.
[01:09] <mauri> elzbal: sorry my english is not so good
[01:09] <mauri> elzbal: thank however
[01:09] <elzbal> mauri: No problem.  :)
[01:12] <mauri> BluesKaj: thank you very much
[01:14] <henrik_> hey folks! I think i\ve messed up pretty badly, I have somehow removed my graphic drivers, so my x server didnt want to start.. i mangaged to rewrite xorg.conf into getting kde up again, but things looks like hell, no menu, no clock etc.. first day with kubuntu trying to get my nvidiadrivers to work. Anyone got any suggestions?
[01:19] <scheater5> this may not be the perfect place for this, but I couldn't find a channel on hardware.  Does anyone know anything about the Archos 605 WiFi?
[01:20] <powr> where to look for epson stylus 1270 driver?
[01:20] <scheater5> Or even the Archos brand in general - I have a couple of questions not specific to the 605
[01:21] <powr> scheater5: we dont seem to be lucky
[01:22] <paolo> hi
[01:22] <bigleon1> You guys can always start looking at google
[01:22] <scheater5> powr: so it would seem.  epson stylus...that's a printer?  I don't know where to go for that particullar printer, but in the past I've had luck with the driver the next version up from the printer I have, if it exists.
[01:23] <scheater5> bigleon1:  I've got a couple questions I can't find on google - or maybe I just need some direction on something I don't understand.  Would anyone have a suggestion as to a channel where I might have better luck with a peripheral (it's an internet tablet) question?
[01:24] <rito> hi
[01:24] <rito> something
[01:24] <rito> know how start kopete
[01:26] <bigleon1> scheater5: To be honest man, My keys to starting a search is make sure you include ubuntu, somethign doesn't have to be for kubuntu to work on it. then also check forums, to make sure it isn't a spoof hardware, for example on the Dell 720 Photo Printer, there is an HP printer, that is exact samething with linux drivers out on net. It takes some time man, but just gotta keep your eye open
[01:27] <Beyer> Using kubuntu, and cant get sounds working. Mixer cannot be found,  lspci says Multimedia audio controller ALi
[01:27] <Beyer> tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat says MIXERS NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
[01:34] <zgmf-x20a_> hey guys having an issue registering here, not sure why, can anyone help me out?
[01:35] <cody> is there a quick and easy way to restart X in kde without restarting thw whole comp?
[01:35] <zgmf-x20a> hmmm ok.... wth?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> cody: either sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> or just hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:39] <cody> back
[01:39] <cody> and kde ran some wierd wizard that i have never seen b4 and changed all my old settings
[01:41] <BluesKaj> !register
[01:41] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:42] <cody> how do i install a new mouse theme
[01:43] <_Angelus_> cody: its because you installed the kde metapackage
[01:43] <_Angelus_> that weird wizer is kpersonalizer
[01:43] <_Angelus_> or something
[01:43] <felipe_> hi
[01:43] <BluesKaj> !hi
[01:43] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:44] <_Angelus_> if you want everything back cody  "sudo dpkg --reconfigure kubuntu-default-settings" if im not wrong
[01:44] <felipe_> someone know how configure kubuntu feisty to use usb mass storage drivers?
[01:44] <level1> hi, I installed kubuntu with the alternate install cd about a month ago, and I gave it my wireless info and wep key so it could log into my internet... anyway, it must of written it down somewhere and now knetworkmanager won't manager my connections, it just shows the ethernet icon no matter what my connection status is.  wlanassist still works, but I want knetworkmanager in commission again
[01:46] <cody> nope but can anyone help me install a mouse theme?
[01:47] <level1> felipe_: usually that should "just work"  so either the file format on the disk (ntfs) doesn't work or you have very unusual hard ware
[01:47] <level1> felipe_: if your using ntfs, htfs+, or some unusual file system, there are special things you have to do to get it working
[01:48] <BluesKaj> cody, system settings/keyboard&mouse
[01:48] <felipe_> it dont recognizes any pendrive that i connect
[01:48] <cody> i tried
[01:48] <cody> im installing a new one
[01:48] <cody> its extracted to my deskto
[01:48] <cody> p
[01:48] <level1> felipe_: what file format is it?  do you know?
[01:49] <felipe_> its...
[01:49] <felipe_> amm...
[01:49] <felipe_> ntfs
[01:49] <felipe_> but kubuntu reads my another partitions
[01:49] <level1> felipe_: ah, you have to install a package and do some other stuff
[01:49] <level1> !ntfs | felipe_
[01:49] <ubotu> felipe_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:49] <felipe_> i can see them
[01:49] <level1> !ntfs-3g | felipe_
[01:49] <ubotu> felipe_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:50] <felipe_> i cant see my pendrives or my ipod
[01:50] <level1> what do you mean you can't see them... where are you looking?
[01:50] <felipe_> am looking at /dev/
[01:50] <felipe_> and...
[01:51] <felipe_> media:/
[01:52] <level1> well, kubuntu probably sees your drives and attempts to mount them, but if they are ntfs then it will not mount them unless you follow the instructions ubotu gave you
[01:52] <bigleon1> !anyone know how to find my current verison of kubuntu in my terminal?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> most pen drives are FAT32 , they shouldbe recognized
[01:52] <level1> bigleo
[01:53] <level1> oh, he left
[01:53] <BluesKaj> lotta patience there :)
[01:53] <level1> lol, guess it wasn't that important
[01:54] <felipe_> ok
[01:54] <felipe_> but i write "sudo fdisk -l" should be listed my pendrive?
[01:54] <level1> BluesKaj: will they have ntfs by default in gutsy?  it seems like it would be ommision otherwise
[01:54] <felipe_> but if i write...*
[01:54] <level1> felipe_: yeah, it should
[01:54] <felipe_> ok i'll do it
[01:55] <level1> felipe_: if it doesn't maybe there is a problem
[01:55] <BluesKaj> level1, dunno for sure but most USB sticks come preformatted in FAT32 to the best of my knowledge
[01:55] <level1> ntfs on usb stick isn't impossible
[01:56] <felipe_> level1: it doesn't show my pendrive D:
[01:56] <BluesKaj> of course not , one can format to linux as well
[01:57] <felipe_> what i can do?
[01:57] <level1> felipe_: really?  hmmm...  I don't think I know enough to solve that
[01:58] <felipe_> :(
[01:58] <level1> felipe_: could you "sudo lspci" and see if there is anything that looks like your pen drive?
[01:58] <Yendor> HOW do I switch Knetworkmanager back to roaming mode please!?!?!
[01:58] <felipe_> ok
[01:58] <level1> Yendor: what do you mean roaming mode?
[01:59] <Yendor> Level1: I mean all I'm seeing on Knetworkmanager is Manual configuration!
[01:59] <level1> oh, yeah I have that issue too
[01:59] <Yendor> And I cannot join wi-fi like this...all this when I have my wifi card installed correctly
[01:59] <Yendor> so how do you connect?
[01:59] <level1> Yendor: did you install with the alternative install cd?
[02:00] <level1> Yendor: I use wlanassist
[02:00] <Yendor> no I used the normal edition
[02:00] <Yendor> Oh damn I havent that installed :(
[02:00] <level1> Yendor: you can find it under KMenu>Internet if you have it installed
[02:00] <level1> catch 22
[02:01] <Yendor> I dont have it installed :(
[02:01] <level1> well, you can manually install it by downloading the .deb and all its dependencies... I don't really know how to do that
[02:01] <level1> if you can get online by any method, you can use apt to install it
[02:01] <Yendor> well... let try manual wired connection
[02:02] <felipe_> level1: i don't see any pendrive or ipod when i did sudo lspci
[02:02] <level1> felipe_: could you try lsusb?  it should be a similar output, but maybe theres some hope
[02:03] <felipe_> i did it yerterday when i read a tutorial
[02:03] <felipe_> but
[02:03] <felipe_> it doesnt return any line
[02:04] <felipe_> it "hang" the system but witout stopping it
[02:04] <felipe_> i speak spanish sorry xD
[02:04] <felipe_> felipe@localhost:~$ sudo lsusb
[02:04] <felipe_> and it stays there
[02:04] <zgmf-x20a> hey guys quick question about registering.  when trying to setup the alternate account, do i have to create it with its own different password and THEN lnik it to my primary account???
[02:05] <felipe_> level1: it just write a blank line and after it doesnt ask for another command :(
[02:05] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[02:05] <level1> hmmm... thats weird
[02:06] <level1> zgmf-x20a: do you mean adding a user?
[02:06] <zgmf-x20a> sort of.  i have already registered the one account, just trying to add the second, alternate
[02:06] <zgmf-x20a> following the walk thru
[02:06] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: do you mean here on freenode?
[02:08] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: yup.  i have registered this account with pw succesfully, but having an issue with the alternate account part of the walthru.  so for the second account, do i first register that second account and then link to my primary account, is that what its saying?
[02:08] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: do you follow this? http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[02:08] <felipe_> level1: and if i start kernel modules?
[02:09] <felipe_> what are the modules tu use usb mass?
[02:09] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: yes, im at step 4/5
[02:09] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: I'm reading, trying to refresh my memory of what I did
[02:09] <BluesKaj> which IRC client are you using zgmf-x20a
[02:10] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: because basically, i change my nick thru the box to the left of this place im typing, and then try out that alternate register command and it doesnt work, it says i have to register??? so i am confused
[02:10] <JuJuBee> Should I download and install netbeans from the sun site or use apt-get?
[02:10] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: im using konversation
[02:11] <zgmf-x20a> so my question is, do i first have to register that alternate nick with a diff password and then tie the wtwo together?
[02:12] <zgmf-x20a> with the step 5 command?
[02:12] <nicio> hhi
[02:12] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: I understand (and think I remember doing it that way) as you said, register the alternate nick with the same password.
[02:12] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: ooooo really, ok ill try that
[02:13] <bongfrog> Here is a strange one I need some advice with...   I can install kubuntu on my dell just fine when it is connected to a normal monitor.   But when I move it to my LCD tv that should display in 1360 796 the fonts are so big it is unusable.
[02:14] <nicio> why is konqueror so buggi?right now im updaten and i went to this webside http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/list_x.html and the words are stick on together how do i regulate this?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, yes the instructions tell you to use your primary nick password
[02:14] <bongfrog> any ideas where I should look??   Google is not my friend on this one.....
[02:14] <zgmf-x20a_>  /msg nickserv link zgmf-x20a skill_0
[02:15] <zgmf-x20a_> lol.... crap
[02:15] <Azzco> nicio: Looks fine to me
[02:15] <Sanne> nicio: might not necessarily be konquis fault... there are many many websites with broken HTML, and that one you mentioned has a lot of errors.
[02:15] <fungos> anyone having problem to connect psp in kubuntu?
[02:16] <rdvon> I'm trying to get my frets on fire game to rip all the songs off of guitar hero II, but I cant figure out where the cd is mounted... :\
[02:16] <zgmf-x20a> ok, so now how do i change a password cause the silly thing doesnt work ... :@
[02:16] <nicio> Sanne: i left xp to install kubuntu on explorer the site show good
[02:16] <Azzco> rdvon: open konqueror and type in /media as the address, most likely it'll help ;)
[02:17] <rdvon> Azzco: frets on fire says it cant find it when I type in /media! I'm not stupid xD
[02:17] <rdvon> media/cdrom0 that is.
[02:17] <rdvon> :)
[02:17] <Sanne> nicio: hmmm, looks quite usable to me in my Konqueror.
[02:17] <nicio> Azzco: u check it with konqueror?can u show me your settings for your fonts?
[02:18] <JuJuBee> I just installed sun java 6, netbeans in repo's uses v. 5, is that a big deal?  apt-get is now trying to install sun java 5
[02:18] <nicio> Sanne: it might be my fonts that need to be change
[02:18] <BluesKaj> nicio, that page looks the same in FF and konq
[02:18] <begert> if i want to compile my own stuff, where should I have the source code?
[02:18] <Azzco> nicio: The only thing I can think of is in setting appearance and I think that's only for the filemanager part not the web browsing
[02:19] <nicio> BluesKaj: are the words coupt up for u because i can hardly see some words?
[02:19] <zgmf-x20a> how do i join more channels?
[02:19] <zgmf-x20a> #ubuntu
[02:19] <begert> file -> join channel
[02:19] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: type /join #channel
[02:20] <BluesKaj> no nicio . it looks fine
[02:20] <zgmf-x20a> ic ic, now that i am registered here, does that automatically apply to every channel i join???
[02:20] <Sanne> nicio: play with Settings->Configure Konqueror->TT Fonts
[02:20] <nicio> BluesKaj: i launch kotepe it keep login in and out why?is it because im putting linux up to date?
[02:21] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: yes, I think the registering applies to the whole freenode network
[02:21] <nicio> Sanne: i was playing with the fonts it didnt change nada
[02:21] <Sanne> nicio: weird
[02:21] <Sanne> nicio: how about view->enlarge/shrink font?
[02:21] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: sweet.  ok, so one more thing, how do i perm add these different networks, so when i log in again they all come back up
[02:22] <nicio> Sanne: it saparate a little but if i go any smaller i wont be able to see nada
[02:22] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: you mean the different channels on freenode?
[02:22] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: yes
[02:22] <nicio> Sanne: view->enlarge/shrink font dont work
[02:23] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: (for Konversation) File->Server List->Edit, you can put channel names in the autojoin field
[02:23] <nicio> zgmf-x20a: i tink u add them in bookmarks if its memorize the channel u want
[02:24] <Sanne> nicio: works fine here... I suspect there's something else amiss with your settings, I'm running out of ideas unfortunately... anybody has a better idea for nicio?
[02:24] <zgmf-x20a> Sanne: yup thats what im looking for autojoin.  sweeeeeeeeeet
[02:24] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: :)
[02:25] <zgmf-x20a> where can i find a list of channels?
[02:25] <rixxon> I configure network manager for static nameservers but they change seemingly randomly. It's even more wierd because the router is set to use these nameservers too, and yet Kubuntu changes back to the ISP DNS all the time.
[02:25] <rixxon> I don't want those nameservers, they are wrongly configured and suck badly.
[02:26] <nicio> zgmf-x20a:  type /list
[02:26] <Sanne> zgmf-x20a: there's a channel list command, but use it sparingly, it uses lots of bandwidth for the server. It's under window->channel list (F5 by default)
[02:26] <zgmf-x20a> cool, thanks sanne
[02:27] <Sanne> :)
[02:28] <nicio> Sanne: what do i have to install to view videos on youtube with konqueror?
[02:29] <NickPresta> !flash | nicio
[02:29] <ubotu> nicio: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:29] <Sanne> nicio: I don't knwo, sorry. I use a manually installed Firefox with a manually installed flash player...
[02:29] <Sanne> there yougo :)
[02:30] <nicio> Sanne: player?in real player?
[02:31] <nicio> Sanne: i cant send no msg to none of my contacts in kotepe.how do i solve this?
[02:32] <kranshi> :D
[02:32] <kranshi> hi
[02:32] <kranshi> holas
[02:32] <kranshi> hola
[02:33] <kranshi> quienes aqui?
[02:33] <BluesKaj> !es | kranshi
[02:33] <ubotu> kranshi: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:33] <nicio> Sanne: i cant send no msg to none of my contacts in kotepe.how do i solve this? NickPresta
[02:34] <nicio> BluesKaj: kotepe keep login in and out,why?
[02:35] <BluesKaj> dunno , nicio sorry :(
[02:35] <Biovore> nicio: using kopete for what?  aim?
[02:35] <nicio> BluesKaj: does it have anybody can help me?
[02:35] <nicio> Biovore: msn
[02:36] <nicio> Biovore: whats is aim?
[02:36] <Biovore> msn keeps changing there login scheme.. I don't know if msn works with kopete
[02:36] <Biovore> nicio: Aol Instant Messanger
[02:36] <Biovore> nicio: try amsn
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> I haven't had any trouble with MSN in Kopete
[02:37] <nicio> Biovore: it does work with msn befor i reinstall kubuntu it was working
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Not that I use it much, but I can connect fine
[02:37] <Biovore> well I don't use MSN..
[02:37] <nicio> Biovore: amsn is very ugl**
[02:37] <Biovore> won't argue there
[02:38] <BluesKaj> Biovore, msn works in kopete
[02:38] <Biovore> ok.. cool.. I wasn't sure it did or not..
[02:38] <nicio> linux driven me crazy tonight q_p :(
[02:39] <level1_> nicio: did you try pidgin (aka gaim)?  I prefer kopete myself, but you might have more luck with pidgin
[02:41] <nicio> level1_: didnt like piding either to simple dont have enought to satify.i like kotepe kotepe does everythingxcept a little problem with the cam and to add my friends smileys
[02:41] <fungos> When I try to plug PSP:  [ 1489.620604]  usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 [ 1501.154848]  usb 2-2: device not accepting address 4, error -110
[02:41] <fungos> what is that?
[02:42] <level1_> yeah, the only thing i can't figure out with kopete is how to send and recive pictures through a direct connection... there just doesn't seem to be an interface for that, has it just not been implemented?
[02:42] <nicio> fungos: i never had problem with my psp once plug in it shows as an ipod
[02:43] <fungos> that error rerpeats 7 times with different address ... :S  is anyway to force it?
[02:44] <killermach> I had some smbmounts on /media and now it's just hosed.. I can mount them somewhere else in the filesystem, what governs the /media folder? how do I unbreak this?
[02:46] <level1_> killermach: well, /media is really for external devices like usb drives...
[02:47] <killermach> ok.. but now I need to remove the folders I made.. and I cannot even do an ls -al /media, it hangs
[02:47] <level1_> wow, thats weird
[02:47] <level1_> have you rebooted since then?
[02:48] <nicio> level1_: my updates is about to finish can i just log ou an in insted of restartin to apply the updates?
[02:48] <flaccid> killermach: hald does, but you can do what you want in there too
[02:48] <nicio> out*
[02:48] <level1_> nicio: you mean adept updater?
[02:48] <nicio> yes
[02:48] <level1_> nicio: you really don't have to do anything
[02:49] <nicio> oh
[02:49] <level1_> nicio: but at somepoint, you may consider rebooting just to "flush the cache" if you will
[02:49] <level1_> some things like kernel updates need a reboot, but usually its not urgent
[02:50] <killermach> flaccid: well it hosed my /etc/fstab smbmounts, worked last night and all last month, but now I have to mount them in /smbmounts folder
[02:50] <flaccid> killermach: define hosed and show me the error when trying to mount them
[02:51] <killermach> I'm mounting filesystems from a centos5, I don't really need smb for that, does anyone have suggestions on a better way?
[02:51] <fungos> nice, psp working, just needed to do a "sudo rmmod ehci_hcd"
[02:51] <flaccid> killermach: what is the fileystem type
[02:54] <killermach> flaccid: I get this error->
[02:54] <killermach> 22077: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[02:54] <killermach> SMB connection failed
[02:55] <purpleposeidon> So I was at school, yo, and I had connected home with NX, and one of my friends sits down and logs into the computer next to me. He notices what I'm doing, and connects to his computer with RDP.. and mine's like 5 times faster. >:-)
[02:57] <flaccid> killermach: samba is misconfigured
[02:57] <nicio> level1_: i have one hdd separat in 2 one is xp ntfs the next is data fat32.i install ntfs-config then run kdesu ntfs-config to enable rite etc it mount my xp automat but it didnt say nothing for the data or mount it.do i have to mount it in a way manualy?
[02:57] <flaccid> killermach: is this share local or on the network?
[02:58] <killermach> share is on the network on the LAN
[02:59] <flaccid> !samba | killermach
[02:59] <ubotu> killermach: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:59] <nicio> killermach:
[02:59] <flaccid> read that guide and learn samba. problem is your samba config.
[03:00] <nicio> killermach: ^^
[03:00] <level1_> nicio: well, theres a command... It would be something like pmount -t ntfs-3g /dev/yourdevice
[03:00] <level1_> does that do anything
[03:00] <killermach> samba works.. I moved the mount points from /media/mountpoint to /samba/mountpoint, then did mount -a and all mounts mounted
[03:01] <zgmf-x20a> #mame
[03:01] <nicio> level1_: error
[03:01] <flaccid> killermach: then why did you paste me an access denied error
[03:01] <killermach> no windows on my network any more.. so samba was there for that.. but if there is a better way to setup with nfs or the like maybe I should use it instead
[03:01] <level1_> nicio: what error?
[03:02] <nicio> level1_: i'll do it from system settings
[03:02] <flaccid> killermach: so does samba work or not...
[03:02] <flaccid> no need to use nfs
[03:02] <level1_> what was the error?!?
[03:02] <killermach> samba works. all mounts are mounted , but not in /media
[03:02] <killermach>  /media is broken/hosed/bjorked
[03:02] <flaccid> killermach: i don't think you are listening at all.
[03:03] <killermach> you asked is samba working.. samba is on the remote machine and works
[03:03] <flaccid> samba client and samba server..
[03:03] <killermach> this local machine can even mount smbfs shares from that remote machine
[03:03] <zgmf-x20a> #amarok
[03:03] <flaccid> killermach: so you have no problem?
[03:03] <nicio> level1_: pmount -t ntfs-3g /dev/yourdevice
[03:04] <flaccid> i think i give up on users like this
[03:04] <level1_> nicio: but what was the error?!?
[03:04] <killermach> they both work fine, I just cannot put shares in /media which is where they have been for the last few months
[03:04] <nicio> level1_: sorry Error: device /dev/yourdevice does not exist
[03:04] <johnficca> what is a good open source driver for the ATI Radeon Mobility X1400?
[03:04] <flaccid> killermach: well you can put shares in media and you gave me an access denied to share error so. you can either believe me and the error or believe yourself..
[03:04] <nicio> level1_: dos dont ctrl+c lol
[03:04] <level1_> nicio: I didn't mean "yourdevice" literally, I mean't the name of you device
[03:04] <johnficca> my friend is having a hard time getting it to work
[03:05] <flaccid> killermach: /mnt is the more appropriate place to mount smb anyway
[03:05] <level1_> johnficca: vesa
[03:05] <BluesKaj> my samba works well when i connect to my wifes pc ..I can read/write to the shared files there but when i try to use samba from her pc to read/write on the linux pc , the permissions are impossible to setup .
[03:05] <johnficca> level1_: doesn't work for beyle
[03:05] <level1_> johnficca: I have that exact card, and I find I only have two options: vesa and fglrx
[03:05] <johnficca> level1_: ok
[03:05] <level1_> johnficca: there is no single driver in the world that will run beryl on that card that is also open source
[03:05] <cody> I just rebooted my comp and now its a bit laggy
[03:05] <cody> any ideas
[03:05] <level1_> johnficca: sorry
[03:05] <johnficca> level1_: does the fglrx work good for you
[03:06] <level1_> johnficca: no, I don't use
[03:06] <level1_> johnficca: I have used it, but it caused too many issues
[03:06] <killermach> flaccid: thanks /mnt is is then
[03:07] <level1_> johnficca: you might be able to get nv to work (I can't) but that won't give you beryl or compiz
[03:07] <nicio> level1_: adept crash on me while installing updates at 60% what should i do?
[03:07] <flaccid> killermach: i would advise putting the share in fstab correctly...
[03:07] <zgmf-x20a> !webcam
[03:07] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:07] <level1_> johnficca: btw, most people are using compiz fusion now
[03:07] <level1_> nicio: hmmm... well, I don't know, thats not good, lol... how much disk space do you have?
[03:08] <nicio> level1_: by watch the detail it look like it still running the install but it has a msg in frot of it
[03:08] <level1_> whats the error?
[03:09] <nicio> level1_: i have enought disk space 20gigs
[03:09] <level1_> whats the error?
[03:09] <johnficca> level1_: nv is for nvidia cards no?
[03:09] <nicio> level1_: its a new install im doing
[03:09] <level1_> john
[03:10] <zgmf-x20a> hmm... anyone a webcam expert by any chance?  just wondering if my fusion would be similar to any other webcams and could install those drivers and it would then work
[03:10] <level1_> johnficca: sorry, my mistake
[03:10] <johnficca> level1_: its ok
[03:10] <level1_> johnficca: I mean radeon or ati... I'm not sure if they're different
[03:10] <level1_> johnficca: I couldn't get those to work on my card in my lappy, but you might have more luck
[03:12] <level1_> johnficca: you might be in luck... they're coming out with a new driver called r500 avivo, which will work on our cards, but they are not done yet... also, amd annouced they would release some of the specs just a few days ago, so here's hoping
[03:13] <level1_> (fingers crossed)
[03:16] <nicio> level1_: whats the poin in installin a new kernel?
[03:17] <level1_> nicio: new things are always better
[03:17] <nicio> level1_: like vista to xp?
[03:17] <nicio> lol*
[03:17] <level1_> nicio: seriously though, new kernels are usually faster and more reliable, and have better features
[03:18] <level1_> more hardware support
[03:18] <level1_> nicio: oh, you noticed I was sarcastic
[03:18] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[03:18] <level1_> hi
[03:18] <nicio> hey
[03:19] <tekstacy> Is there a utility to see how my physical memory is set up? ie: how many sticks, speed, etc..
[03:19] <level1_> ideally, they wouldn't write new things if they weren't "better" in some way, but you know how that works
[03:20] <tekstacy> I want to upgrade, but don't know if I have 1 gb stick, or 2 halves
[03:20] <NickPresta> tekstacy, why not open up the case? If you're careful, you won't damage anything...
[03:20] <level1_> tekstacy: if you use "free" it will tell you how much usuable ram you have
[03:21] <level1_> tekstacy: you ram is probably evenly destributed around your sticks, so each stick has the same amount, so you just devide
[03:21] <tekstacy> I guess I'll have to crack it, but it's a real pia,
[03:21] <BluesKaj> tekstacy, dunno if this meets your requirements but htop gives a list of running processes including memory
[03:22] <level1_> hey, its like top, but with colors!
[03:23] <level1_> BluesKaj: why is it possible for me to have many programs running at the same time which collectively use more than 100% cpu?
[03:23] <tekstacy> hey, thanks. That was cool. Didn't help, but I learned something    :)
[03:24] <nicio> level1_: what is "free"?
[03:24] <level1_> nicio: is a program that tells you how much memory is "free" and some other stuff
[03:25] <nicio> level1_: so? sudo apt-get install free?
[03:25] <level1_> if you want
[03:25] <level1_> it should be included, I don't think you ineed to install it
[03:25] <BluesKaj> level1_, good question ... cpu overhead capacity maybe ?
[03:26] <level1_> BluesKaj: is it possible, since I have a quadcore, that the real capacity of my cpu is not 100% but 400%?
[03:26] <nicio> level1_: the reson i reinstall linux because everytime i download a anime from a website it slows down my pc a lot
[03:26] <tekstacy> I had to install htop, but it was painless
[03:26] <BluesKaj> free -m
[03:26] <level1_> nicio: are you filling up you hard drive?
[03:26] <nicio> level1_: and sometimes it freeze after a while
[03:27] <level1_> nicio: because otherwise I don't believe that downloading anime is the source of the problem
[03:27] <nicio> level1_: no it had only 28%use
[03:27] <level1_> yeah, not the problem
[03:27] <nicio> level1_: so its linux problem then?
[03:27] <level1_> your doing something else that causing it... what, is a mystery
[03:28] <level1_> well, of course its a linux problem
[03:28] <Biovore> nicio: I watch anime all the time on linux..  you pulling over a wifi connection?
[03:28] <nicio> level1_: lol i try closin everything befor i download it still was slowin down the pc it didnt stop buggin untill i log out an in
[03:29] <level1_> oh, you mean the download itself... you must have a weird connection
[03:29] <nicio> Biovore: i got wifi but why hurt my head when i can just plug the router on the pc?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> level1_, perhaps cpu-utils isn't able to read quad core
[03:29] <nicio> BluesKaj: quad core???
[03:30] <tekstacy> Is k able to monitor temp and control fans as good as xp?
[03:30] <Fusion^> hi. how do i restart just my kde panel?
[03:30] <level1_> BluesKaj: where can I find statistic on my cpu temp?
[03:30] <nicio> pause i try to finish a race in mario kart
[03:30] <level1_> tekstacy: its nice... probably a bit unnessary, but its plenty fast and works just fine
[03:31] <tekstacy> it it like the C2, w/ multiple cores on one cache?
[03:32] <level1_> tekstacy: well, I'm told intel just sandwiched (literally) two core 2 duos on top of eachother
[03:32] <BluesKaj> level1_, theres some cpu monitor tools available but I've never bothered , so i dunno the appnames
[03:32] <level1_> tekstacy: as you might expect, thats causes some thermal issues, but I haven't had a problem
[03:32] <tekstacy> try "cpu temp" in Adept, I saw something there last night, but forgot the name
[03:32] <level1_> maybe I'm better off not know that my cpu is topping 70
[03:32] <nicio> i got one name everest on xp i maybe can work on linux with wine :p lol
[03:33] <nicio> it tells u everything even the websites where to update your hardware etc
[03:34] <NickPresta> tekstacy, I like using 'sensors' to mointor my voltage, fan speed and temp.
[03:35] <tekstacy> If I took a windows system hdd and pluged it in as an external hdd, would k shit itself?
[03:35] <tekstacy> I think that may be what I was looking at
[03:37] <tekstacy> I was thinking of setting up a spare drive with xp, just in case I ever need it, but using it as an external drive when I don't.
[03:37] <NickPresta> !language | tekstacy
[03:37] <ubotu> tekstacy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:37] <nicio> tekstacy: no it wont
[03:37] <NickPresta> and it should be fine, provided you're using FAT or some ntfs driver
[03:37] <tekstacy> :(   sorry
[03:39] <tekstacy> Anyone here try a virtual xp setup?
[03:39] <hydrogen> yes
[03:40] <tekstacy> does it work well?, stable, practical?
[03:40] <nicio> tekstacy: wat is it?
[03:41] <tekstacy> Like VirtualPC Or Virtual Box, to make a virtual XP system within linux
[03:41] <hydrogen> tekstacy: yea
[03:42] <tekstacy> what do you use for virtual?
[03:42] <Fusion^> what's the command line for restarting the kde panel/kicker? thanks
[03:42] <hydrogen> virtualbox
[03:43] <tekstacy> cool, I will try it tonight
[03:43] <nicio> Fusion^: what is the panel/kicker
[03:43] <nicio> ?
[03:44] <flaccid> the command is kicker. kicker is the main panel
[03:44] <hydrogen> Fusion^: dcop kicker kicker restart
[03:44] <inaety_> how could i set up a remote login so i could remote into from just a website (no software needed) on a windows computer
[03:44] <nicio> im confus?
[03:44] <Fusion^> hydrogen: thanks
[03:45] <hydrogen> inaety_: you really couldn't..
[03:45] <hydrogen> however
[03:45] <hydrogen> putty is really lightweight
[03:45] <hydrogen> and allows you to ssh in from windows
[03:46] <inaety_> hydrogen: thanks ill look into it
[03:46] <Fusion^> hydrogen: my other systray icons disappeared when i did dcop kicker kicker restart
[03:47] <flaccid> just goto alt+f2 and run kicker
[03:47] <flaccid> if it crashes again, you have a problem
[03:49] <tekstacy> hydrogen, any advice before I try this?
[03:50] <hydrogen> nope
[03:50] <hydrogen> just install virtualbox
[03:50] <hydrogen> and put your cd in
[03:50] <hydrogen> and start it
[03:50] <tekstacy> I guess it will take a few hours?
[03:51] <hydrogen> not really
[03:51] <hydrogen> it only took me like 30 minutes to install
[03:51] <hydrogen> but my computers a beast
[03:51] <tekstacy> :)   I'm on a laptop
[03:51] <tekstacy> But it's a beast for a laptop
[03:52] <hydrogen> me too
[03:52] <inaety_> hydrogen: how would i set it up on my ubuntu computer to have it "be open for remoting"
[03:53] <hydrogen> inaety_: do you mean a remote desktop or just remote access to the console?
[03:53] <tekstacy> I've only been using linux a couple weeks, I'm still amazed at it's common-sense simplicity mixed with maddening complexity, makes me feel like a kid with these things again
[03:53] <inaety_> hydrogen: remote desktop so i can look at X and stuff
[03:53] <hatter_> everytime i reboot my kubuntu box, the desktop icons are bundled on top of each other in the corner
[03:53] <hydrogen> inaety_: no clue :)
[03:53] <hydrogen> inaety_: I've never had a need to do it so I'm not sure
[03:54] <inaety_> hydrogen: really just fun and so i can go on it from school...
[03:54] <inaety_> impress my teacher
[03:55] <hydrogen> yea
[03:55] <hydrogen> I'm not sure
[03:55] <hydrogen> someone else should know
[03:55] <hydrogen> !rdc
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <hydrogen> !rdcp
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdcp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <hydrogen> !remote
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <nicio> hatter_: try placin all good then log out then restart it work for me hope it would for u
[03:55] <hydrogen> I think you want to use something called krdc
[03:55] <nicio> !flood | hydrogen
[03:55] <ubotu> hydrogen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:56] <hydrogen> err
[03:56] <hatter_> nicio, thats the thing, on reboot, the all move to corner on top of each other
[03:56] <hydrogen> thats not really that helpful....
[03:56] <hydrogen> nicio: unless you want me to type answers to everyones question and pastebin them
[03:56] <nicio> hatter_: have u try log out befor rebooting
[03:56] <hydrogen> you probably wanted...
[03:56] <hydrogen> !enter
[03:56] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:56] <hydrogen> but thats a silly rule
[03:56] <hatter_> nicio, i see, i will try this
[03:57] <EightiesK> if i update from dapper to feisty will i need to reinstall all my drivers and what not?
[03:57] <hatter_> i think rebooting logs out first though ?
[03:57] <nicio> hydrogen: i dont understand that rule about enter
[03:57] <soulrider> !mp3
[03:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> nicio: don't
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> use
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> enter
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> as
[03:57] <EightiesK> if i update from dapper to feisty will i need to reinstall all my drivers and what not?
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> punctuation :)
[03:57] <nicio> hatter_: log out is log out reboot is reboot(restart)
[03:57] <killermach> still cannot manage to delete /media/sharedirectories
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> nicio, it gets really annoying
[03:58] <evan__> hi all, total KDE noob here. i looked at kubuntu forums and couldnt really find the info i need. what is the synaptic equivilant on KDE? i need the repos to install third party support. any straight up answers would help or just point me to some good late night reading
[03:59] <BluesKaj> EightiesK, kinda difficult to update directly to feisty from dapper ...update to edgy first, then from edgy to feisty..and yes you wil need to upgrade some hardware drivers
[03:59] <Azzco> evan__: adept
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> evan__, you can either install synaptic itself, or use adept
[03:59] <nicio> hitmanWilly: i still dont understand im from a french country.what do u mean by puntuation?u mean when i want to tell someone something i have to press send insted of pressing enter?
[04:00] <evan__> well i am fairly familar with GNOME, but adept better?
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> nicio, don't split up messages between lines
[04:00] <killermach> ls
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> nicio, for example, use a . instead of starting a new line
[04:00] <hydrogen> !fr | nicio
[04:00] <ubotu> nicio: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:00] <hydrogen> you may find that channel nicer as well
[04:00] <hydrogen> though at 2 in the morning its probably pretty dead
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> evan__, that depends, personally i use the cmd line
[04:02] <nicio> hydrogen: no fr its dead down there q_p
[04:03] <nicio> hydrogen: it's allways dead
[04:03] <evan__> hitmanwilly: ok, is there a simialr easyubuntu for mutlimedia codecs?
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> evan__, look into medibuntu
[04:04] <evan__> ok
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> !medibuntu | evan
[04:04] <ubotu> evan: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:04] <evan__> tyvm
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> evan__, its just a set of repos that can be included in any *buntu variant
[04:04] <Jucato> !ubuntustudio
[04:04] <ubotu> UbuntuStudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://ubuntustudio.tv Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[04:04] <Jucato> hm... nvm
[04:07] <Fusion^> i installed compiz fusion, how would i know if im on xgl or aiglx?
[04:08] <tekstacy> Bye all, thanks for the help
[04:09] <nicio> wo can tell ma what to install for firefox to see flash?
[04:09] <nicio> wa*
[04:09] <hydrogen> nsplugin
[04:09] <hydrogen> I believe
[04:09] <Jucato> nicio: flashplugin-nonfree
[04:09] <hydrogen> !info nsplugin
[04:09] <ubotu> Package nsplugin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:09] <hydrogen> or that
[04:09] <Jucato> :)
[04:09] <hydrogen> sounds a bit more likely
[04:09] <hydrogen> I think I'll go get food.
[04:09] <Jucato> what's for lunch/dinner? :)
[04:10] <alirio> hello i have  a question
[04:10] <Jucato> !ask
[04:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:10] <hydrogen> its for midnight snack
[04:10] <hydrogen> and I'm not sure
[04:10] <Jucato> oh midnight hehe :)
[04:10] <alirio> is there small display in amarok as windows media player 10 or 11
[04:10] <alirio> ???
[04:10] <hydrogen> yea
[04:11] <hydrogen> but its ugly
[04:11] <hydrogen> and won't be there in 2.0
[04:11] <alirio> why?
[04:11] <nicio> hydrogen: how can they say nsplugin dont exist and im seing it.but its install allready
[04:11] <nicio> nonfree too
[04:11] <hydrogen> nicio: install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:11] <Jucato> alirio: see for yourself: Settings -> Show Player Window
[04:11] <nicio> hydrogen:  done
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> nicio, its a way to use firefox/mozilla plugins in konq
[04:11] <Jucato> nicio: by nonfree it doesn't mean you have to pay for it
[04:11] <hydrogen> alirio: because no one has maintained it in Amarok for a long time...
[04:11] <nicio> lol ok
[04:12] <alirio> mmmm, but it isn't in amarok yet???
[04:12] <Jucato> nonfree = not free/open source software
[04:12] <hydrogen> alirio: no, its there
[04:12] <Jucato> [10:11]  <Jucato> alirio: see for yourself: Settings -> Show Player Window
[04:12] <alirio> ok
[04:13] <hydrogen> you may be happier with kirocker though
[04:13] <alirio> and?
[04:13] <hydrogen> its a really kool kicker app
[04:13] <nicio> hydrogen: kirocker???
[04:13] <hydrogen> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52869
[04:15] <scrip> I've  installed libqt4 and libqt4-dev but my config script is still broken, says it can't find the headers and libraries
[04:15] <Jucato> scrip: maybe it needs Qt3 and not Qt4?
[04:16] <nicio> hydrogen: is kirocker in adept?
[04:16] <hydrogen> doesn't seem to be
[04:16] <Jucato> nope
[04:16] <Biovore> scrip: apt-get install kde-devel
[04:17] <Jucato> scrip: what are you trying to compile?
[04:17] <Jucato> Biovore: might be a tad too much... most of the time kdelibs4-dev does it
[04:17] <evan__> is a restart required after install of mediabuntu, so i know if things worked ok
[04:18] <Jucato> um.. no...
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> iirc, the newer qt4 libs can emulate qt3
[04:18] <evan__> hmm, my restricted files no play
[04:18] <Jucato> hitmanWilly: not if the program depends on Qt 3
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> well, yeah, but compiling should work
[04:18] <Jucato> evan__: you might need to restart the app that tries to play it
[04:18] <Jucato> hitmanWilly: really? not from my experience. but I can't experience everything
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> evan__, what did you do exactly, just add the repos?
[04:19] <Jucato> besides the fact that Qt4 and Qt3 are source and binary incompatible
[04:19] <Jucato> but there's that package to emulate it if that's what you mean.
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> Jucato, well, im not an expert or anything, plus about the only time I compile anything is on my gentoo box
[04:19] <Jucato> heh with Gentoo you don't need -dev packages :P
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> nope, they're ALL dev pkgs :)
[04:20] <evan__> followed instructioins here http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[04:20] <nicio> hydrogen: how do i instaall kirocker?
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> actually, gentoo lets you compile qt4 with qt3 support, so  maybe it symlinks some libs around, not really sure
[04:21] <Jucato> !info libqt4-qt3support
[04:21] <ubotu> libqt4-qt3support: Qt 3 compatibility library for Qt 4. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.3-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1242 kB, installed size 3176 kB
[04:22] <hydrogen> its not the same thing
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> ok, guess that's how buntu does it :)
[04:22] <Jucato> but at the same time, iirc it's not really recommended to use that
[04:22] <hydrogen> and having qt3support in qt4 does not allow you to compile qt3 programs
[04:22] <hydrogen> there are classes that were deprecated in qt4 (but still exist) soley to help applications that are porting from qt3 to qt4
[04:22] <Jucato> hydrogen to the rescue :)
[04:22] <hydrogen> They are all in qt3support
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> well, im not really a qt expert either :)
[04:23] <AnthraX> hello
[04:23] <hydrogen> hi
[04:23] <AnthraX> i want some help regarding my RAM usage :/
[04:23] <AnthraX> Sysinfo for 'Underground': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at 2000 MHz (3994 bogomips), , RAM: 709/1010MB, 149 proc's, 43.9min up
[04:24] <hydrogen> what about it?
[04:24] <jmichaelx> i just moved, and am setting my network back up, however, my laptop does not want to let go of the old info (IP addy, etc). i can connect to my network if i use tools like wlassistant. can anyone tell me how to change the setings?
[04:24] <AnthraX> 709 MB RAM is being used?
[04:24] <Jucato> !ram
[04:24] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[04:24] <hydrogen> linux caches a whole bunch of stuff
[04:24] <hydrogen> so that its quickly accessible
[04:24] <hydrogen> this ram is still usable however if something needs it
[04:24] <hydrogen> Sysinfo for 'Yes': Linux 2.6.22-11-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz at 2000 MHz (3990 bogomips), HD: 65/130GB, RAM: 1357/2026MB, 151 proc's, 4.46h up
[04:24] <hydrogen> I'm not really using over a gig of memory doing nothing
[04:24] <hydrogen> :)
[04:25] <Jucato> Linux makes smart use of that RAM you paid for to make things work faster
[04:25] <AnthraX> ;P
[04:25] <AnthraX> well yea not that really causes any trouble or something
[04:25] <AnthraX> i just wanted to know why
[04:25] <Jucato> might want to check that first link above
[04:26] <evan__> hitmanwilly: i followed the 2 commands here  http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[04:26] <hydrogen> just don't worry unless you are digging into swap :)
[04:27] <AnthraX> :)
[04:27] <AnthraX> and another thing
[04:27] <AnthraX> why 156 proc's?
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ok, run this in a konsole, sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <Jucato> Sysinfo for 'Suzaku': Linux 2.6.22-11-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ at 1500 MHz (3003 bogomips), HD: 22/49GB, RAM: 469/503MB, 136 proc's, 1.50h up
[04:28] <Jucato> proc's = processes
[04:29] <AnthraX> yea
[04:29] <AnthraX> why so many proc's ?
[04:30] <AnthraX> ok
[04:30] <AnthraX> another question
[04:31] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.21-2-686 running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU1700MHz at 1694 MHz (3393 bogomips), , RAM: 400/504MB, 102 proc's, 4.51h up
[04:31] <hydrogen> thats a boring sysinfo.
[04:31] <hydrogen> err
[04:31] <Jucato> AnthraX: you can check the different processes running by pressing Ctrl+Esc
[04:31] <hydrogen> a boring computer name
[04:31] <jmichaelx> :-D
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> evan__, once you've done that, it will probably want you to upgrade your system...that should download the restricted format compatible versions of all the apps on your system
[04:32] <hydrogen> err
[04:32] <Jucato> evan__: what type of media are you trying to play btw?
[04:32] <hydrogen> suggesting that people use the mediabuntu repository is usually a bad idea
[04:32] <hydrogen> if I recall
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, nah, medibuntu's fine, its automatix you've gotta watch out for
[04:32] <evan__> eveything, this is a brand new install. mp3 spefically RIGHT now tho
[04:33] <hydrogen> evan__: for what application?
[04:33] <Jucato> evan__: that's too simple :) just install "libxine-extracodecs"
[04:33] <hokatichenci> Is there any way to disable/uninstall/purge my system from the evil avahi daemon
[04:33] <Jucato> fresh install, I presume amarok or kaffeine :)
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> evan__, for amarok, libxine-extracodecs should do it
[04:33] <linuxmce> hey just wondering if this has synaptic
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> evan__, same for kaff
[04:33] <hokatichenci> I googled a bit but the config change didn't disable it
[04:33] <jmichaelx> i hmaybe this will all change, but i have never had an issue with automatix, and have used it a lot since it first came out
[04:33] <evan__> hitmanwilly: http://pastebin.ca/691207
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> linuxmce, not by default, but you can install it
[04:33] <AnthraX> i first installed Ubuntu because i couldn't install Kubuntu DVD when i  booted.So i installed kde .Now when I reboot it goes all with Kubuntu but after i enter my username & password it loads as Ubuntu [Nautilus]  I runned the alt+f2 => kcontrol fixed the splash but again nothing.. any clue what else shall i do|?
[04:34] <hydrogen> AnthraX: are you in kde or gnome after the splash comes?
[04:34] <hokatichenci> AnthraX, did you select the kde session?
[04:34] <Jucato> AnthraX: when you get to the login screen, there's a menu there, check that you're logging into a KDE session
[04:34] <linuxmce> how would i go about installing it?
[04:34] <Jucato> !adept | linuxmce
[04:34] <ubotu> linuxmce: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:34] <AnthraX> kde
[04:35] <AnthraX> hydrogen:  kde
[04:35] <Jucato> if you don't want to use Adept, just install Synaptic from Adept or "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ok, now if you run sudo apt-get upgrade, it should update the apps on your system
[04:35] <jmichaelx> i just moved, and am setting my network back up, however, my laptop does not want to let go of the old info (IP addy, etc). i can connect to my network if i use tools like wlassistant. can anyone tell me how to change the setings?
[04:35] <hokatichenci> Anybody? This avahi-daemon is driving me mad and I'd hate to have to write a script to kill it everytime I boot the system.
[04:35] <evan__> hitmanwilly: sudo apt-get upgrade......0 0 0 0
[04:37] <evan__> hitmanwilly: http://pastebin.ca/691212
[04:37] <BluesKaj> hmm AnthraX , check synaptic for kubuntu-desktop...if it isn't installed that could be the prob
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ok, you need to enable the universe and multiverse repos
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> !multiverse
[04:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:39] <AnthraX> BluesKaj , it's installed..
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> evan__, check that link for info on how to enable them
[04:39] <AnthraX> hm i just found out that Kubuntu-artwork isn't installed
[04:40] <linuxmce> ok i couldnt find adept or synaptic so i tried that install synaptic and it is there nw thanks
[04:40] <Jucato> linuxmce: Adept is in K Menu -> System -> Adept Manager
[04:40] <Jucato> linuxmce: or Add/Remove Programs right in the K Menu
[04:41] <Jucato> hokatichenci: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> System Services
[04:41] <Jucato> you can configure whether avahi-daemon will start at boot or not from there
[04:41] <linuxmce> ok none of thats there but it is working now as synaptic is installed
[04:42] <hokatichenci> Jucato, it's not setup there, it still starts
[04:42] <hokatichenci> I even have it set to 0 in /etc/default/avahi-daemon
[04:42] <Jucato> hokatichenci: it's not setup there? what do you mean?
[04:42] <hokatichenci> It messes with my network really, really badly and it's driving me nuts
[04:42] <hokatichenci> Jucato, not set to start by default in all runlevels
[04:43] <Jucato> strange...
[04:43] <hokatichenci> Yeah, exactly
[04:44] <hokatichenci> I'll  have to do some deep inspection later to figure out whats going on, gotta run for now :-\
[04:51] <Alonea> how do you get knetworkmanager into the "running" state?
[04:52] <flaccid> pray
[04:53] <Alonea> i am confused. it says its not running...I used to have it on here but took it off due to problems and wanted to try it again since i now have WPA
[04:54] <Alonea> i don't see anything anywhere though about WPA or anything to connect to a network...
[04:55] <flaccid> you right click and it should show available networks to which you can click and it will ask you to enter passphrase
[04:55] <Alonea> ok, I right click and it says "KNetworkManager is not running" followed by manual configuration and help
[04:56] <rixxon> Alonea: sure you don't mean networkmanager (without the prefixing "K")?
[04:56] <Alonea> I am sure.
[04:57] <Alonea> oh!
[04:57] <rixxon> :)
[04:57] <Alonea> I see what you mean
[04:57] <Alonea> the program is K, but it says networkmanager is not running.
[04:57] <rixxon> networkmanager is the daemon (knetworkmanager is the frontend)
[04:57] <Alonea> i have had a baaad two weeks, so bear with me.
[04:57] <flaccid> well all i can say is that there are still numerous problems with networkmanager and i don't see why its needed in the first place. a frontend to /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant would be fine ...
[04:58] <BluesKaj> hmm , strange thing just happened ...thunderbird doesn't launch FF when a URL is clicked on with an email message ...any suggestions ?
[04:58] <evan__> hitmanwilly: i enabled repos via link. running adept via command i see lots of fails after fetch updates and still cannot install libxine-extracodecs, fails on that too
[04:58] <flaccid> Alonea: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=networkmanager+is+not+running+knetworkmanager&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 lots to read..
[04:59] <Alonea> figures...I mean, wireless assistant now sorta has wpa support, but 75% of the time it won't connect
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> evan__, sudo apt-get update in konsole, then pastebin the output please
[04:59] <flaccid> Alonea: yeah imo linux/ubuntu still has far to go
[05:00] <flaccid> if you uninstall networkmanager, network fails on boot. its quite ridiculous.
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, that's just ubuntu, tho
[05:01] <evan__> hitmanwilly: http://pastebin.ca/691234
[05:01] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: yeah but networkmanager is not close to being suffice imo in general - any distro
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> evan__, looks like it updated fine, now try sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:02] <Alonea> I have a question, when I connect my ethernet cable, why do I have to completely restart my computer or have it already plugged in before it boots? Why doesn't it just connect when I plug it in?
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, yeah, well, definately agree with you on that
[05:02] <flaccid> Alonea: probably because of networkmanager heh
[05:03] <flaccid> you can check the logs to see what happens
[05:03] <Alonea> its always done this, even when I didn't have it at all
[05:03] <flaccid> its called ubuntu..
[05:03] <evan__> hitmanwilly: http://pastebin.ca/691239
[05:04] <Alonea> I just now put it back on. pidgin (when it was still gaim) isn't very compatible with networkmanager (more or the less the other way around actually) so I got rid of it
[05:04] <evan__> hitmanwilly: with music loaded in amarok it just runs through playlist and says playlist finished
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> evan__, what version are you running?
[05:04] <flaccid> i've had basic network config issues with every release since and including dapper that i've tried. really shows that its far off a desktop os little lone a server os.
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> evan__, of kubuntu?
[05:04] <evan__> hitmanwilly: 6.06
[05:04] <flaccid> gaim has nothing to do with network
[05:04] <flaccid> !find libmad0
[05:04] <ubotu> Found: libmad0, libmad0-dev
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ok, there may be an issue there
[05:04] <flaccid> !info libmad0
[05:04] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (feisty), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[05:05] <nicio> beryl is in french how do i fix it to be in english?
[05:05] <Alonea> umm, the article I read said something about network manager would tell it that I was not connected to the internet and as soon as I got rid of it, problem fixed.
[05:05] <flaccid> !info libxine-extracodecs
[05:05] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[05:05] <flaccid> you don't need medibuntu repos, just use multiverse...
[05:05] <evan__> hitmanwilly: so upgrade to fiesty
[05:05] <flaccid> Alonea: right, that makes it even worse o)
[05:06] <Alonea> flaccid: yup...its a lying sob
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> evan__, actually, you may want to try vlc, that should work on dapper
[05:06] <flaccid> Alonea: it shouldn't even work like that.
[05:06] <evan__> hitmanwilly: well if its that old i might as well upgrade to fiesty
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> evan__, you said this was a fresh install, right?
[05:07] <evan__> hitmanwilly: vlc has shitton dependencies
[05:07] <jmichaelx> is there a config file where network info is stored? if so, could someone give me the path?
[05:07] <evan__> yup, from a disk i got from the ubuntu people
[05:07] <flaccid> jmichaelx: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:07] <Alonea> flaccid: dunno. more than one place said it was a common problem in network manager. dunno if the later versions of pidgin have managed to get around that or no
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ok, id say just install feisty then, clean
[05:08] <jmichaelx> flaccid: ty
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> evan__, its easier than dealing with backports, in my opinion
[05:08] <evan__> hitmanwilly: this requires makin a cd yes
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> evan__, yup
[05:08] <evan__> hitmanwilly: not possiable via konsole, i did that in gnome once
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> evan__, you could use k3b
[05:09] <evan__> hitmanwilly: i mean upgrade to fiesty via konsole
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> evan__, a massive waste of time, in your case, since you need to go to edgy first
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> evan__, i'd say just do a fresh install, less chance of breakage
[05:10] <evan__> hitmanwilly: will a fresh install w/ fiesty cd allow me to pick WM?
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> evan__, which one do you want?
[05:10] <evan__> KDE
[05:10] <flaccid> Alonea: they should never talk basically - its bad practice
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> evan__, go to kubuntu.org, that installs kde
[05:11] <flaccid> Alonea: unless you make gaim depend on networkmanager and that would be even stupider
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> evan__, kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu are all the same, just use different WM's by default
[05:12] <Alonea> flaccid: well, its moot when I kill networkmanager. ^__^
[05:12] <Jucato> s/different WM's/different DE's, apps, configurations, etc/
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> evan__, ubuntu=gnome, kubuntu=kde, xubuntu=xfce
[05:12] <Alonea> or use hard line instead of wifi.
[05:12] <evan__> hitmanwilly: yea, i understand that part
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> evan__, but you can change after install if you want as well
[05:13] <evan__> hitmanwilly: its all the same base, just different looks
[05:13] <Alonea> though I use wifi at school and pidgin didn't have any problems when network-manager was on.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> evan__, different apps on default install
[05:13] <evan__> hitmanwilly: this makes sense because dapper is actually pretty old
[05:14] <Alonea> I think it was just that the old version of gaim was set up really weird. and it was definitely a really old version of gaim.
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> evan__, it's more geared towards business apps and servers, not personal desktops
[05:14] <evan__> hitmanwilly: dapper?
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> evan__, yes, its a long term support version
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> !lts | evan__
[05:15] <ubotu> evan__: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> evan__, but for standard desktop/laptop stuff, i reccomend the newer versions
[05:16] <evan__> hitmanwilly: did not know that, orig got ubuntu cd from mag and was first *nix to work on my lappy straight away. tried mandriva, redhat
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> evan__, heh, that's because it installs drivers for just about everything...
[05:17] <evan__> hitmanwilly: i dunno, i might stay with GNOME, was gogin to kde cause i thought my skills where uprading but apparently not
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> evan__, and its installer is better at figuring out hw than other distros
[05:18] <nicio> hitmanWilly: how do i put google to be my default page when firefow launch?
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> evan__, you can have both on the same machine
[05:18] <evan__> yea, i did that before i had to da fresh install
[05:19] <evan__> ninco: edit>pref>select home page
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> nicio, edit -> preferences -> main
[05:20] <Rictoo> if I do apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to reinstall kde, that won't like remember my home folder, right?
[05:20] <Rictoo> remove*
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, actually, that by itself won't do anything
[05:21] <alirio> hola
[05:21] <alirio> hello
[05:21] <Rictoo> hitmanWilly: wut
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, what are you trying to do?
[05:21] <Rictoo> reinstall kde
[05:22] <evan__> hitmanwilly: after i get fiesty up and runnin i still need to follow the directions on medibuntu correct
[05:22] <Rictoo> and everything with it, while I'm at it :p
[05:22] <nicio> hitmanWilly: and for konqueror?
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> evan__, actually, not for mp3
[05:23] <evan__> nicio: settings>config konk
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> evan__, just install libxine-extracodecs, universe and multiverse are enabled by default on feisty
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, do you just want to reset the defaults?
[05:23] <evan__> hitmanwilly: and that will do codecs for DVD etc?
[05:23] <Rictoo> naa, there's some stuff seriously screwed
[05:24] <Rictoo> and I think it's better if I just start all over :p
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> evan__, no, dvd is a little more complex :)\
[05:24] <evan__> hitmanwilly: i will cross that bridge when i come to it
[05:24] <evan__> hitmanwilly: what about mpg, avi...
[05:24] <intelikey> hmmm are some of the freenode servers having problems ?
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, before you do that, go into a konsole and try this rm -rf ~/.kde
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, then restart kde
[05:25] <intelikey> couldn't connect through the server i normally use
[05:25] <Rictoo> ok
[05:25] <Rictoo> bbl then
[05:25] <flaccid> how do you purge a package with dpkg using apt-get remove --purge is not working on a package
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> evan__, most of those are supported natively
[05:25] <nicio> hitmanWilly: where exactly?
[05:25] <Jucato> flaccid: dpkg -P I think
[05:25] <nicio> stp
[05:25] <evan__> hitmanwilly: coo,....u a multitaskin mofo itellyawhat
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> evan__, for ones that aren't, libxine-extracodecs takes care of it
[05:25] <intelikey> flaccid -P --force-all packagename
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> evan__, lots of practice :)
[05:26] <Jucato> oh intelikey's here... no need for me to be here then :)
[05:26] <flaccid> sweet that worked nice
[05:26] <evan__> hitmanwilly: how many packets does it take to send a 6pack
[05:26] <intelikey> Jucato um   better hang around   i may not be here long.
[05:26] <hydrogen> boip?
[05:26] <Rictoo> hitmanWilly: still screwed
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> evan__, too many for my connection :)
[05:26] <flaccid> im also here Jucato :p
[05:26] <evan__> lol
[05:27] <Jucato> intelikey: neither will I. 30 minutes to lunch :)
[05:27] <Rictoo> i'll just reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <Rictoo> its no biggie
[05:27] <Rictoo> but how do I do it?
[05:27] <evan__> rictoo: make a kubuntu cd
[05:27] <Jucato> flaccid: yeah, that's why I've been busy studying for the past hour :p
[05:27] <Jucato> the room is in good hands
[05:27] <flaccid> hahaha
[05:27] <Rictoo> evan__: What?
[05:27] <Rictoo> I can't just use apt-get remove?
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, you'll need to apt-get autoremove after the uninstalling kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <flaccid> Rictoo: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <hydrogen> if he's flaccid the room definatly isn't in good /hands/
[05:27] <Jucato> hahahah!!!
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, i doubt that would work, since desktop's just a meta, and all the deps will stay installed
[05:28] <Jucato> what does Rictoo need to do?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> Jucato, he wants to reinstall kde
[05:29] <Jucato> oh hm...
[05:29] <flaccid> use aptitude then
[05:29] <Rictoo> I don't care if any of my configuration files are screwed up
[05:29] <Rictoo> as long as I'll still have all my files
[05:29] <Rictoo> I will, right?
[05:29] <intelikey>  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-core
[05:29] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: kubuntu-desktop, in'it?
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, yes, but again that's just a meta
[05:29] <flaccid> that won't do all of kde
[05:30] <Rictoo> I'm still going to have all my home files after this right? (just to be sure)\
[05:30] <Jucato> well reisntalling kubuntu-desktop will reinstall anything that was removed too
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> he'll have to throw in an autoremove as well
[05:30] <jhutchins> flaccid: well, technically that would require installing using KDE's package management and repos.
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> for a complete reinstall
[05:30] <Jucato> kde's package management? O.o
[05:30] <jhutchins> Anybody around here ever mention making BACKUPS?
[05:30] <flaccid> jhutchins: doesn't require that at all. dpkg is suffice
[05:30] <Rictoo> 033005 <    Rictoo> I'm still going to have all my home files after this right? (just to be sure)
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, yes, just not any kde config files
[05:31] <evan__> back them up
[05:31] <evan__> always no matter what
[05:31] <flaccid> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude remove --purge kubuntu-desktop && sidp aptitude install kubuntu-desktop   <-- would that work?
[05:31] <intelikey> Rictoo package management will not affect ~/
[05:31] <Rictoo> evan__: I'm not going to, so let's hope it'll be fine :
[05:31] <Rictoo> :p
[05:31] <flaccid> sidp = sudo
[05:31] <Rictoo> doing autoremove now
[05:31] <evan__> rictoo: braver than me
[05:32] <evan__> hell i have backups of backups
[05:32] <Rictoo> linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic <-- was in the autoremove list
[05:32] <Rictoo> rofl
[05:32] <Rictoo> I hope linux will still boot up >>
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, reinstall kubuntu-desktop before you reboot
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, that's just the headers, not the kernel itself
[05:33] <holycow> *hmmm*
[05:33] <Rictoo> I have IceWM as a backup :p
[05:33] <evan__> would rictoo file sitch be differnet if /home had its own partition
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> evan__, nope
[05:33] <intelikey> and to answer your Q Rictoo kernel headers have nothing to do with how it boots
[05:33] <holycow> how could one grab a list of all gnome-desktop dependencies and pipe them to apt-get remove ?
[05:33] <intelikey> holycow apt-cache can do that.
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, you won't be able to compile kernel modules until you reinstall...lol
[05:34] <Rictoo> brb
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> holycow, you want to remove gnome altogether?
[05:34] <holycow> hitmanWilly: yup
[05:34] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ...reinstall the kernel headers...  ^
[05:34] <evan__> would those here say that 450-500 kb/s is good?
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> holycow, apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then apt-get autoremove
[05:35] <holycow> intelikey: i presume i would need to drop that into a variable or feed apt-get remove a loist
[05:35] <holycow> *hmm*
[05:35] <intelikey> holycow oh there is a lib package good for that.  ask in  #debian
[05:35] <holycow> hitmanWilly: oh thats much easier
[05:35] <hydrogen> evan__: that depends wholy on the from and to
[05:35] <hydrogen> if its from hda to hdb, I'd say no
[05:35] <hydrogen> if its from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> I'd say no
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> holycow, that removes the gnome desktop and all it's deps
[05:35] <evan__> ok, just got my high speed so i dnt know what fast is, if that makes sense
[05:35] <holycow> hitmanWilly: thats awesome, thank you
[05:36] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[05:36] <hydrogen> if its from <randomipincongo> to your house, I'd say yes
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> evan__, i've got a 400k connection here, and that's slow for me
[05:36] <evan__> i guess its all relative then huh
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> yeah, lol\
[05:38] <intelikey> faster than using a slowdem
[05:38] <evan__> atleast you guys dont have a tin can w/ a string coming out the end
[05:38] <holycow> wow thats novel
[05:38] <hydrogen> faster than hiring someone to dictate bites into a telephone
[05:38] <holycow> i have smoke signals
[05:38] <hydrogen> bet you havn't heard that one before!
[05:39] <evan__> lol...smoke signals
[05:39] <nicio> hitmanWilly: im on firefox on a website.to view the streaming video they say i need plugings to view the video.it look like it wants to install real media player plugins allso the player :( it have any other player that has the plugins?
[05:39] <nicio> hy99
[05:39] <hydrogen> thats called packet loss holycow :)(
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> no, connection crash!! lol
[05:39] <nicio> ^^
[05:39] <holycow> no
[05:39] <holycow> thats called DINNER
[05:39] <holycow> -_-
[05:39] <nicio> hitmanWilly: im on firefox on a website.to view the streaming video they say i need plugings to view the video.it look like it wants to install real media player plugins allso the player :( it have any other player that has the plugins? hydrogen
[05:40] <evan__> time to burn fiesty.iso
[05:40] <intelikey> nicio you are also repeating
[05:40] <intelikey> nicio you are also repeating
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> nicio, hmm, i think real player is only real player, if that makes any sense
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> nicio, vlc MIGHT...
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> nicio, but i doubt it
[05:41] <holycow> *mmmm* teriyaki packets
[05:41] <nicio> hitmanWilly: the last time i install it real player never work but the flash was playing
[05:41] <holycow> with stuffing
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> nicio, i think realplayer is in the repos...
[05:41] <intelikey> !find realplay
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> nicio, not sure though
[05:41] <ubotu> File realplay found in apparmor-profiles, gworkspace-apps-wrappers
[05:42] <intelikey> guess not
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> nicio, you might try going to the realplayer site, and getting the linux version, it might be trying to give you the windows one
[05:43] <hydrogen> !info realplayer
[05:43] <ubotu> Package realplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:43] <Jucato> technically, realplayer should be in the (canonical) commercial repos
[05:43] <intelikey> hydrogen i just had the bot search for it and it found it not.
[05:43] <hydrogen> helix can probably play them as well
[05:43] <Jucato> along with opera
[05:43] <Rictoo> hitmanWilly: KDE is still there
[05:43] <Rictoo> it didn't do anything
[05:43] <hydrogen> helix can play .rm files
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, did you reinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[05:44] <Rictoo> no
[05:44] <Rictoo> but
[05:44] <Rictoo> KDE was still there >>
[05:44] <Jucato> my Kaffeine can play .rm and .rmvb files...
[05:44] <Rictoo> and it works
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, it works now?
[05:44] <Rictoo> no
[05:44] <Rictoo> I'm saying uninstalling and autoremove'ing did nothing (to kubuntu-desktop)
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, ok, something else you installed may be holding kde as a dependency
[05:45] <Rictoo> aw crap
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, how exactly is kde not working, anyway?
[05:46] <intelikey> i'm telling you pull something that all of kde depends on    find a key lib and rm it
[05:46] <intelikey> same for gnome  or any other bundle
[05:46] <Rictoo> hitmanWilly: It
[05:46] <Rictoo> It's honestly a long story
[05:46] <Rictoo> but I'd like to reinstall it anyway
[05:46] <Rictoo> let's just forget about why :p
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> Rictoo, ok, try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop and see if that helps fix the problem
[05:47] <Rictoo> ok
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> or not...
[05:48] <intelikey> he'll be back saying it didn't....
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> probably
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> if he'd tell me the problem, i might have a better idea how to fix it...
[05:49] <intelikey> yeah.   but if he would listen to what i said, he could do what he's asking to do
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> or at least localize it
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, well, there's always purging kwin...
[05:50] <nicio> hydrogen: helix didnt work
[05:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly but that may not fix his problem that alone wont get all of kde
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> hmm, both qt's then, maybe?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> as in 3 & 4
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> im pretty sure kde depends on that :)
[05:51] <intelikey> kdelibs* should
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> oh, duh...
[05:53] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove --purge -y kdelibs*
[05:53] <intelikey> or maybe not -y   ...  :)
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> yeah, that'd do it
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> heh, forgot how much nudity there was in ghost in the shell, as emphasized by the censor bars in the tv version...
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> anyway, back on topic
[05:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> is everyone in every channel i'm in on every network watching GITS?
[05:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> am i the only one missing it?
[05:58] <intelikey> is there a way to hide a process from the process table ?
[05:59] <intelikey> what's gits ?
[05:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> ghost int he shell
[05:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> in the*
[05:59] <intelikey> nicio bash filename.bin
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> Daisuke_Laptop, well, when you hang out in geek oriented chat rooms :)
[05:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> true, true
[05:59] <nicio> intelikey: dont understand
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> :P
[06:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> hitmanWilly: i think those 5 geek points are made up by his preference of cli over gui
[06:01] <intelikey> nicio konsole command in the ~/Desktop dirrectory
[06:01] <intelikey> nicio bash filename.bin
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> Daisuke_Laptop, i never said he didn't have plenty to spare
[06:01] <nicio> intelikey: what is bash?
[06:01] <intelikey> if /me was ops nicio just got banned
[06:02] <intelikey> :)
[06:02] <intelikey> ah it's a shell
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> i was wondering if your head was going to explode on that one :P
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> nicio, think linux's version of DOS
[06:02] <intelikey> didn't explode   but it did blow chuncks
[06:03] <dudeicles> good evening folks
[06:03] <dudeicles> howdy intelikey. how are you?
[06:03] <intelikey> dudeicles well   and you?
[06:03] <dudeicles> can't complain
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> nicio, although, its about 10x more powerful
[06:03] <nicio> hitmanWilly:  intelikey bash filename doesnt install the bin file?cant u tell me what to rite in the dos window please?
[06:03] <dudeicles> kubuntu is still working and haven't found anything that I can only do with Windows
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> only 10x?
[06:04] <dudeicles> though I really wish Adobe AI and PS worked
[06:04] <hydrogen> actually
[06:04] <intelikey> dudeicles if you have nothing to complain about,  do you want to barrow some trubble ???  :)
[06:04] <hydrogen> dos is fairly powerful
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> Daisuke_Laptop, sorry, that was 2^10x :P
[06:04] <dudeicles> intelikey: What type of trubble?
[06:04] <intelikey> hydrogen that  DoS  not DOS  :)
[06:04] <hydrogen> no
[06:04] <hydrogen> both
[06:04] <hydrogen> :)
[06:05] <purpleposeidon> DOS is pretty powerful, you can use it to start linux
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ok, open up a konsole
[06:05] <nicio> hitmanWilly: done
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> nicio, cd Desktop
[06:05] <nicio> hitmanWilly: do i rite cd desktop?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> yes, in konsole
[06:06] <hydrogen> yes
[06:06] <intelikey> oh children gone astray, finances to short to cover expenses,  health short of comfort, friend dying with cancer,   not to mention the smaller day to day things...   pick one.
[06:06] <intelikey> dudeicles ^
[06:06] <hydrogen> i'll pick the third
[06:06] <nicio> hitmanWilly:  and?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ls
[06:07] <dudeicles> intelikey: i'll take smaller day to day things for 100 Alex
[06:07] <intelikey> that was FOUR
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> nicio, do you see the .bin file listed?
[06:07] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:07] <intelikey> or heheh five sorry
[06:07] <hydrogen> I /think/ you should be able to just click on the .bin file on the desktop
[06:07] <nicio>  hydrogen after  ls press enter?
[06:07] <hydrogen> and it will run automagically
[06:08] <hydrogen> nicio: yes
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, not if it's not tagged exec
[06:08] <hydrogen> ls is short for 'list', its analogous to dir in dos
[06:08] <nicio> i like that word automagically :) q_p
[06:08] <hydrogen> hitmanWilly: most bin files are though :)
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, plus, its a text mode installer anyway
[06:09] <hydrogen> hitmanWilly: I think it'll open a konsole to install it in
[06:09] <hydrogen> and run it there
[06:09] <nicio> hitmanWilly: -su: cd: Desktop: No such file or directory
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ok, try double clicking the file on the desktop, see if that runs it
[06:10] <intelikey> dudeicles i'll tell one more thing then get back on topic, (true story) had a friend ask me one day "how are you" to which i replied, "i could complain, but it doesn't seem to do any good".   he was silent for several moments, then asked  "have you tried jumping up and down while you complain?"    :)))
[06:10] <nicio> hitmanWilly: i need wine for that
[06:11] <intelikey> nicio ?
[06:11] <intelikey> i don't think so.
[06:11] <nicio> hitmanWilly: they explain here but it dont work seems like this way is not for kubuntu http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/42104-how-install-realplayer-bin.html
[06:11] <hydrogen> no.
[06:12] <intelikey> nicio you are not in the users home dir.  """<nicio> hitmanWilly: -su: cd: Desktop: No such file or directory"""
[06:12] <Murchadh`> Probably work better if you had some wine whilst jumping up and down and complaining!
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> nicio, not for the linux version, you don't
[06:12] <hydrogen> open a konsole, cd Desktop; chmod +x RealPlayer<tab>; sudo ./RealPlayer<Tab>
[06:12] <hydrogen> don't follow the su part
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, he can't cd to Desktop for some reason
[06:13] <dudeicles> intelikey: At least your friend made you laugh instead of make you feel worse. :)
[06:13] <hydrogen> hitmanWilly: its because he was trying to do it in roots environment
[06:13] <hydrogen> I think
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, oh, well that would do it
[06:13] <intelikey> hitmanWilly he's not in the users $HOME   "-su" error.
[06:13] <hydrogen> the su should give it away :)
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> ah, must have missed that part
[06:14] <nicio> hydrogen: intelikey dont understand the language your speekin to me nicio confuse
[06:14] <nicio> :/
[06:14] <intelikey> nobody pays any attention to me...   even when i'm right, nobody listens...
[06:14] <hydrogen> you'd probably be better off enabling the canonical repository
[06:14] <hydrogen> rather than installing it manualy
[06:14] <hydrogen> !canonical
[06:15] <ubotu> Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> hydrogen, ok, i'll let you walk him through that :)
[06:15] <hydrogen>  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main
[06:15] <intelikey> nicio yidish tov ?
[06:15] <nicio> ???
[06:15] <intelikey> guess not..
[06:16] <hydrogen> nicio: in console, echo 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, no, i don't think he speaks yiddish...
[06:16] <intelikey> obviously not.
[06:16] <nicio> hydrogen:  O_O
[06:16] <hydrogen> then update in adept and search for realplayer
[06:16] <hydrogen> it should be there
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, and neither do I, btw, just recoignize it when I see it...
[06:17] <intelikey> k
[06:17] <hydrogen> the whole 'yidish' in the line probably helps one recognize it
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> maybe...:P
[06:18] <Exospaciac> I know this probably isn't the right place to ask, but I am having some problems with Firefox. The whole program is laggy to the point where it is completely unusable.
[06:18] <Exospaciac> For a while it was okay, but now I cannot even use it.
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> memory leak...
[06:18] <hokatichenci> So, I was in here earlier reguarding avahi-autoipd, which I am trying to disable from my system, and nothing so far seems to work, any suggestions?
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> hokatichenci, you could try update-rc.d
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> i think that's the app on buntu
[06:20] <intelikey> tis
[06:20] <hokatichenci> hitmanWilly, It's not listed in the rc levels as far as I can tell
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, check rc.local
[06:21] <intelikey> hokatichenci you can move remove rename chmod or edit the script in /etc/init.d   assuming it's upstart that's starting it.
[06:22] <hokatichenci> hitmanWilly, it isn't listed anywhere - despite being told to not start in /etc/default/avahi-daemon and not being listed, something is started this
[06:22] <hokatichenci> intelikey, well that doesn't really solve the fact that something is broken somewher
[06:22] <nicio> intelikey: join me plese in #xp_killer ch to explain wa all i have to type in dos to install a bin file please
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, is kde starting it up for some reason?
[06:23] <hokatichenci> Thats my concern
[06:23] <hokatichenci> is that its hard wired somewhere, and it is messing up my networking
[06:23] <intelikey> nicio copy & paste this into a konsole#                                                                                sudo bash ~/Desktop/*.bin
[06:23] <hokatichenci> and being incredibly annoying
[06:24] <intelikey> that's all you need nicio
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> does upstart read the inittab file? or is it skipped entirely?
[06:25] <intelikey> hokatichenci hardwaire in the networking script maybe...
[06:25] <nicio> intelikey: cannot execute binary file
[06:25] <nicio> error
[06:25] <intelikey> hitmanWilly errr is there one on a clean install that has upstart ?
[06:25] <nicio> intelikey: but it did see the file
[06:25] <intelikey> nicio oh binary file.   that's not the linux version you have.
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, not sure, but it might read one if it is present
[06:26] <nicio> intelikey: i install it once but i lost and forgot how
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah it is, he just needs to chmod it
[06:26] <intelikey> hitmanWilly idk.  haven't seen upstart yet myself
[06:26] <nicio> intelikey: no not linux version
[06:26] <intelikey> hitmanWilly   ^
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> nicio, you need the linux version
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, and my bad...
[06:27] <nicio> sorry it's a linux version
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, ah hah!
[06:27] <intelikey> hitmanWilly well somebodies bad....
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:27] <hokatichenci> and it seems that the reboot button is totally busted, awesome.
[06:28] <intelikey> nicio shares his confusion with #kubuntu     seems to be the name of this song
[06:28] <nicio> hitmanWilly: last time befor i reinstall linux i install the same bin file
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ok, open up a fresh konsole
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> nicio, and type in the following:
[06:28] <nicio> root?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> nicio, no
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> nicio, regular konsole
[06:28] <nicio> k
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ok,
[06:30] <intelikey> chmod 755 ~/Desktop/*.bin
[06:30] <hokatichenci> ffs, avahi-autoipd refuses to die
[06:30] <intelikey> waiting for that ?
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> nicio: chmod +x ~/Desktop/*.bin && sudo ~/Desktop/*.bin
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, that :)
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, trying to put it into one cut/paste cmd
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, ok, what did I screw up...
[06:32] <intelikey> nothing.   jsut waiting...
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, assuming that was the only .bin file on his desktop, it should work...
[06:34] <intelikey> most file.bin are scripts wrapped around an archive file
[06:34] <hokatichenci> Things that will not disable avahi-autoipd: disabling /etc/default/avahi-daemon, chmod -x /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon, removing avahi-daemon from the runlevels
[06:35] <hokatichenci> This program is more invasive than the realnetworks stuff
[06:35] <DaSkreech> can someone dig the name inter.viewcentral.com and tell me who owns it?
[06:35] <intelikey> hokatichenci    sudo chmod 000000 /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon*   and restart
[06:36] <hokatichenci> intelikey, I am very, very sure that won't work
[06:36] <hokatichenci> Something is manually calling this stuff
[06:36] <nicio> hitmanWilly: i didnt like that way it install but it's install but not working for firefox.how do i make firefox scan for plugins?
[06:37] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove avahi*
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, hmm, doesn't seem to exist in the whois database...
[06:37] <intelikey> pull rank on it.
[06:37] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: seriously?
[06:37] <hokatichenci> intelikey, that attempts to remove a bunch of kde things
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, try it
[06:37] <hokatichenci> intelikey, it's invasive, I don't want it, I'm ashamed that it's so tied in.
[06:38] <intelikey> hokatichenci then it may be kde that starts it...
[06:38] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: can't I'm on windows
[06:38] <intelikey> hokatichenci remove it and leave the package.
[06:38] <hokatichenci> intelikey, thats the point
[06:38] <conrad_> hey, whats up with firefox crashing, resulting in a loss of ability to view websites through lynx, firefox, or konquerer, but remaining online? Like, being able to be on IRC, aim, ping stuff, and all? Yet not able to view websites at other ports?
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, hold on, maybe I can traceroute it
[06:39] <conrad_> i killed dhcpcd-bin and reconnected, but that didn't help.
[06:40] <hokatichenci> If it wasn't for the fact that everything else was already working that I needed to be working I would have installed another distro
[06:41] <intelikey> hokatichenci don't run this unless you are serious about disabling it...      dpkg -L avahi* | while read Q ;do sudo mv "$Q" /root ;echo "$Q" >> /root/list.avahi-files ;done
[06:41] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: kk
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, hmm, don't seem to be having any luck...
[06:41] <intelikey> hokatichenci and you may need the exact package name   and possably a | cut
[06:42] <hokatichenci> intelikey, I fixed it by doing chmod -rwx /usr/sbin/avahi*
[06:42] <nicio> hydrogen: how to check my emails on kotepe?
[06:42] <hokatichenci> but that doesn't really solve the problem
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> nicio, ok, you may need to download a seperate plugin for firefox
[06:42] <hokatichenci> that the software is totally busted and I couldn't disable it in a reasonable manner
[06:42] <nicio> mmm
[06:42] <intelikey> no. no | cut needed   but you may need the package name.
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> hokatichenci, if you use buntu, get used to that kind of thing
[06:43] <intelikey> and if you want to fix it.  install something that doesn't expect you to switch to a new version every few months
[06:43] <DaSkreech> What's the issue hokatichenci ?
[06:44] <hokatichenci> DaSkreech, disabling avahi-autoipd is more or less impossible
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !info avahi-autoipd
[06:44] <ubotu> avahi-autoipd: Avahi IPv4LL network address configuration daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.17-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 176 kB
[06:45] <intelikey> impossable ?   i gave at least two ways to disable it,  no three.
[06:45] <DaSkreech> hokatichenci: is it in ubuntu-base?
[06:46] <conrad_> i miss windows ability to not require reboots to get your inhternet back up... ugh
[06:46] <DaSkreech> conrad_: what?
[06:46] <hokatichenci> DaSkreech, its tightly integrated to KDE, you can't uninstall it
[06:46] <conrad_> yeah, seriously.
[06:47] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: can you dig accpaconline.com and tell me who owns it?
[06:47] <nicio> conrad_: u dont need to reboot just do like me unplug plug back :p
[06:47] <intelikey> one) remove the package.  two) move the executable out of path.  three) make it not executable and leave it in path.
[06:47] <conrad_> im trying to switch fully to linux, but then it does these things like firefox crashes, leaving me with no ability to visit webpages
[06:47] <conrad_> regardless of what browser i use.
[06:47] <conrad_> yet im still able to use irc, or any other internet service
[06:47] <DaSkreech> conrad_: reboot your networking maybe?
[06:48] <conrad_> i assume that's done through 'killall dhcpcd-bin'
[06:48] <conrad_> right?
[06:48] <hydrogen> don't use firefox at all?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> conrad_: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:48] <intelikey> ifupdown blah
[06:49] <intelikey> ifup/down blah
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, here's the whois info: http://rafb.net/p/lau2XU37.html
[06:50] <intelikey> !info dig
[06:50] <ubotu> Package dig does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:50] <intelikey> doesn't exist on this box either
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, not sure what's in there, just piped it to wgetpaste
[06:51] <intelikey> !find dig
[06:51] <ubotu> Found: digikam, digikamimageplugins, libdigest-hmac-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, perl (and 24 others)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: it's legit it seems
[06:52] <hokatichenci> DaSkreech, anyideas on the avahi-autoipd though?
[06:52] <conrad_> nope. it messes with eth0, when wlan0 is what i need.
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Bloody company has like 14 addresses as main contact in the US alone
[06:52] <hokatichenci> It seems to be poor kubuntu design to integrate it so tightly to me
[06:52] <DaSkreech> hokatichenci: do you have intelikey  blocked or something?
[06:52] <hokatichenci> My gentoo system which also runs KDE doesn't even have the lib's installed as far as I can tell
[06:52] <hokatichenci> DaSkreech, I have a solution, but its ugly
[06:53] <conrad_> im using dhcpcd, not dhclient3... why is dhclient3 running?
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, why do you need this anyway?
[06:53] <nicio> hitmanWilly: how do i get to Mozilla plugins directory
[06:53] <hokatichenci> the point is that its pretty messed up to integrate like that
[06:53] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: someone is paying for online courses for accpac and wants to find out if the site is legit
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> nicio, the path is ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:54] <DaSkreech> hokatichenci: Fine explain why in #kubuntu-devel and file a bug
[06:54] <DaSkreech> !bugs | hokatichenci
[06:54] <conrad_> what's dhcpbd?
[06:54] <ubotu> hokatichenci: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, ah, ok, checking for phishers, got it
[06:55] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: yup the site looks pretty good but it's still a bit strange
[06:55] <julius> Hey all, for some reason the bars arent drawn on windows anymore like a % bar for downloading files.
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, well, it has a real address with it...
[06:56] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: I know I saw
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, though it is an office building
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, try the phone number, maybe
[06:57] <nicio> hitmanWilly: how do i get to Mozilla components directory (a different folder)
[06:57] <intelikey> hokatichenci i have to concur with you on that.  far to many dependant packages   many of which could and should not be dependancies.
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> nicio, it should be the same folder
[06:58] <conrad_> ok. so restarting the network doesnt work either. All that network restart deos is run dhclient, right?
[06:58] <hokatichenci> intelikey, I would be fine if it you know, was compiled and had dep's, couldn't be uninstalled, but it shouldn't be so tightly integrated for a purpose which I don't even fully understand and has limited usage
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> nicio, or try just ~/.mozilla
[06:58] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: the registrar has dual good info so if they are a phisher they are doing a lot of work
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, :)
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> that's either real good or real bad
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> anyway, all, I need to get some sleep, early day tommorrow
[07:01] <DaSkreech> It's really bad for them either way
[07:01] <Drew3> Hi Folks, I have used a script that gathers all the multimedia 'stuff', it worked great, I forgot its name,   Whom ever knows get a big thank you
[07:01] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Night thanks
[07:01] <DaSkreech> !easyubuntu
[07:01] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[07:01] <intelikey> conrad_ did you ifdown and ifup the interface ?    *example*  sudo ifdown eth0 ;sudo ifup eth0
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Drew3: the multimedia stuff is 2 minutes to enable it's faster than the script
[07:02] <conrad_> what does ifup do?
[07:02] <conrad_> return 1 if your connected?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> conrad_: it brings up a network interface
[07:02] <intelikey> if you ifdown.  you wont be connected
[07:02] <conrad_> ok im gonna do that. brb.
[07:03] <conrad_> ah, no go
[07:03] <conrad_> ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[07:03] <intelikey> ifconfig
[07:03] <intelikey> look at what you are connected over
[07:03] <conrad_> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0D:3A:23:D0:37
[07:04] <intelikey> we probably didn't need your hardware mac address
[07:04] <conrad_> well
[07:04] <Drew3> Thank you  ubotu, DaSkreech
[07:04] <conrad_> wlan0 ;)
[07:06] <intelikey> ifconfig wlan0 down    will bring it down.   sudo /etc/init.d/network* start    should  bring it back up    may need  stop then start
[07:06] <conrad_> yep
[07:07] <conrad_> that definetely brought it down and put it back up.
[07:07] <conrad_> but im still not able to see webpages.
[07:07] <conrad_> im sitting here on irc, got kopete running, and i can ping google
[07:07] <conrad_> but i cant telnet to google on port 80.
[07:07] <conrad_> nor can i view webpages on different ports.
[07:07] <intelikey> then it's not the network.  most likely.    possable dns server
[07:08] <conrad_> the thing is, all of my other computers are fine, and this only happens after firefox crashes
[07:08] <khaije1> every now and then my drop-down menus will appear in the background of things... what is with that!?
[07:08] <intelikey> we need Jucato cause he's the network expert...
[07:08] <intelikey> :)
[07:09] <conrad_> weird eh?
[07:09] <conrad_> i so don't understand.
[07:10] <intelikey> conrad_ yeah,  i personally know extreemly little about networking.   almost as little as i know about kde.       but the Jucato being network guru was a joke so don't prode him about that.
[07:11] <kkathman> greetings all
[07:11] <conrad_> its just a bunch of data being sent over the air. what's the difference between telnet google.com 80, and telnet some mud server?
[07:11] <conrad_> yet the mud servers will connect...
[07:12] <conrad_> and how come rebooting fixes this
[07:12] <conrad_> yet not killing every process and restarting it
[07:12] <intelikey> the joke was a case of mistaken identity some years ago, and been kinda re-playing it as a comedy bit ever sense.
[07:13] <intelikey> conrad_ probably dns server ?   check /etc/resolv.conf
[07:13] <intelikey> on that box and on one that works  see if they are the same
[07:13] <conrad_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:13] <conrad_> that's my router.
[07:14] <intelikey> ok
[07:14] <conrad_> and 'search workgroup'
[07:14] <conrad_> which i have no clue what that means.
[07:14] <intelikey> and on other *nix boxen ?
[07:14] <conrad_> eh i have a gentoo laptop somewhere
[07:14] <conrad_> one sec.
[07:15] <intelikey> conrad_ the 'search workgroup' is not from the same file is it ?
[07:15] <conrad_> yeah it is

[07:16] <conrad_> just those 2 lines
[07:16] <conrad_> search WorkGroup  |  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:17] <intelikey> try changing that first line to      nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>      or a free dns
[07:17] <intelikey> i'm not sure that one is free...
[07:17] <conrad_> that's the same that my gentoo box has
[07:17] <intelikey> but you can test it.
[07:17] <conrad_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:17] <intelikey> no the other line
[07:18] <conrad_> ok.
[07:18] <conrad_> so two lines that say nameserver?
[07:18] <intelikey> yes
[07:18] <conrad_> ok, rebooting network brb
[07:19] <intelikey> i'm not sure that will hold through a reboot...
[07:19] <intelikey> idk.  i'll hush.
[07:21] <conrad_> back
[07:21] <conrad_> didnt work.
[07:23] <intelikey> conrad_ sorry,  i don't know enough to help you on that.
[07:23] <conrad_> no problem. it's weird as hell
[07:23] <conrad_> makes absolutely no sense to me
[07:25] <conrad_> alright thanks for trying
[07:25] <conrad_> bye
[07:43] <sk1llet> !ru
[07:43] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:47] <prak> does anyone know how to overwrite the contents of folder a onto folder b?
[07:49] <intelikey> mv
[07:49] <intelikey> !376
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 376 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <jussi01> Hello everyone. is there a way to make the screen go blank when I press alt + ctrl + l
[07:50] <prak> !cp
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <DaSkreech> jussi01: try F1 instead :)
[07:51] <intelikey> man cp    man mv    man man      man woman.... ooops no manual for woman.
[07:51] <ardchoille> prak: Isn't cp part of linuxutils?
[07:51] <ardchoille> !info linuxutils
[07:51] <ubotu> Package linuxutils does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:51] <prak> !linuxutils
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxutils - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <ardchoille> I guess not, lol
[07:51] <jussi01> DaSkreech: ??
[07:51] <prak> looking at man cp right now, ardchoille
[07:52] <Chris> it's part of coreutils
[07:52] <prak> !info coreutils
[07:52] <ardchoille> Chris: Ah, that's it.
[07:52] <ubotu> coreutils: The GNU core utilities. In component main, is required. Version 5.97-5.2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1428 kB, installed size 9036 kB
[07:53] <intelikey> all packages are optional on my box.   even libc6
[07:53] <intelikey> but i don't count
[07:53] <ardchoille> intelikey: Everyone counts :)
[07:54] <Chris> especially rain man
[07:54] <ardchoille> lol
[07:54] <shifty-> how can i make compiz run when x starts so i can run awn
[07:55] <intelikey> not me i just script it.     | while read line ;do n=$((0$n + 1)) ;done ;echo $n
[07:56] <intelikey> !autostart | shifty-
[07:56] <ubotu> shifty-: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[07:56] <shifty-> ubotu: so it has to run compiz --replace each time it starts?
[07:56] <intelikey> :)
[07:57] <intelikey> you might be able to set it up in /etc/X11/xinit or womething,  idk.
[07:58] <shifty-> oh
[07:58] <intelikey> you might be able to set it up in /etc/X11/default-display-manager   or womething,  idk.
[07:58] <intelikey> womething   heh
[08:01] <BadRobot> :-D
[08:01] <BadRobot> hi there
[08:02] <intelikey> shem
[08:02] <intelikey> er  high.
[08:03] <BadRobot> I need help,I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop,but after the update ,I had to reboot it,but now it won't starp up,it hungs on the HP logo and boot setup
[08:03] <BadRobot> so does anyone if it could be a hardware failure or HDD failure?
[08:05] <intelikey> of course it "could be hardware"  that's always possable
[08:05] <intelikey> it's also possable that some code didn't flush from the ram like it should have    or a device chip...
[08:06] <Jucato> intelikey: no fair talking about me when I'm taking a snooze :(
[08:06] <intelikey> but it's about as likely that grub or the initramfs.img is to blame
[08:07] <intelikey> Jucato heh...    sorry.
[08:07] <Jucato> heh no problem :)
[08:07] <intelikey> but you didn't mention sleep.    it's not really my fault.
[08:07] <intelikey> sleeping at this hour.   what's wrong with you ?
[08:08] <Jucato> asthma. that's what
[08:08] <BadRobot> I have done the diagnostic and RAM passed
[08:08] <Bebege> hey ya'll...
[08:08] <intelikey> oh. Jucato any thoughts on BadRobot's post ^   i gota run.
[08:09] <Jucato> er no... sorry
[08:09] <Bebege> anyone here know if there is a version of MSN Messenger for Linux?
[08:09] <holycow> okay apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop only removes the metapackage
[08:09] <holycow> not all its dependencies
[08:09] <intelikey> seems like several have been reporting boot issues after the latest updates.
[08:09] <ardchoille> !info amsn
[08:09] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96+dfsg1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2488 kB, installed size 9108 kB
[08:09] <jussi01> Bebege: no, but there are programs for msn...
[08:09] <ardchoille> Bebege: ^^
[08:10] <holycow> any other ways of grabbing the deps of a metapackage and getting apt to purge them?
[08:10] <jussi01> !info kmess | Bebege
[08:10] <ubotu> bebege: kmess: Instant messenger to use MSN on KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1067 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[08:10] <jussi01> !info kmess | Bebege
[08:10] <jussi01> !info kopete | Bebege
[08:10] <ubotu> bebege: kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[08:10] <Bebege> zeen......
[08:11] <intelikey> holycow  apt-cache --rdeps package maybe ?  no not reverse.  but the man page covers it.
[08:11] <ardchoille> Isn't kopete installed in kubuntu?
[08:11] <Bebege> question.... do you know if it can carry out all the functions of Messenger, like voice and stuff?
[08:11] <jussi01> Bebege: no, no voice
[08:11] <prak> how do i exit from man in terminal?
[08:11] <jussi01> video yes
[08:11] <ardchoille> prak: q
[08:11] <intelikey> later folks.   shalom
[08:11] <jussi01> Later intelikey
[08:12] <kgx> !katapult
[08:12] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[08:12] <holycow> danke, i shall try that
[08:19] <jussi01> ok, its been  an hour... [08:50]  <jussi01> Hello everyone. is there a way to make the screen go blank when I press alt + ctrl + l
[08:19] <Jucato> like lock session?
[08:19] <prak> thanks ardchoille
[08:20] <Jucato> jussi01: is that a small letter L?
[08:20] <jussi01> Jucato: yes
[08:20] <Chris> i thought ctrl + alt + l did lock session by default
[08:20] <Jucato> yeah it is
[08:20] <jussi01> it does, but i want a blank screen when i lock
[08:20] <Jucato> it also blanks the screen here
[08:20] <jussi01> not here
[08:21] <Chris> it depends which screensaver is set, i expect.
[08:21] <Jucato> mine isn't set so it blanks I guess
[08:23] <Jucato> jussi01: try settings the screensaver to Blank Screen
[08:23] <Jucato> oooh trekkie
[08:24] <jussi01> hmmm, am i going blind? where do they hide the screensaver now...
[08:24] <Jucato> right-click on the desktop -> COnfigure Desktop?
[08:24] <Jucato> or System Settings -> Desktop
[08:25] <jussi01> Jucato: thanks, that fixed it
[08:25] <jussi01> :)
[08:25] <Jucato> :P
[08:40] <arkygeek> hi.  I had beryl working beautifully, rebooted, and now it won't launch.... running on 24" imac
[08:40] <arkygeek> any ideas?
[08:41] <sk1llet> arkygeek: ubey sibya ap stinu
[08:41] <arkygeek> o_O ???
[08:41] <ardchoille> arkygeek: !beryl | arkygeek
[08:41] <sk1llet> b)
[08:41] <sk1llet> ya krevedko
[08:41] <ardchoille> arkygeek: Try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[08:42] <arkygeek> ardchoille: thx
[08:42] <ardchoille> yw
[08:42] <ardchoille> Somebody wake the bot up please
[08:42] <ce_lonely> buzz
[08:42] <Jucato> !beryl | ardchoille
[08:42] <ubotu> ardchoille: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:43] <Jucato> ardchoille: perhaps you used it incorrectly?
[08:43] <ardchoille> Jucato: Perhaps you're right
[08:43] <sk1llet> ya lublu ebatso
[08:44] <Jucato> sk1llet: English only please.
[08:44] <ardchoille> sk1llet: This is an Eglish channel. Which language are you speaking?
[08:44] <Jucato> russian. and he's in the ru channel
[08:44] <sk1llet> russian
[08:44] <ardchoille> sk1llet: Stop being silly ;)
[08:44] <sk1llet> am...
[08:44] <sk1llet> i love to fuck
[08:44] <sk1llet> this is
[08:44] <sk1llet> ya lublu ebatso
[08:45] <Jucato> !language | sk1llet
[08:45] <ubotu> sk1llet: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:45] <sk1llet> sorry
[08:45] <sk1llet> i need walk with my bear...
[08:53] <nicio> Jucato: to install java witch one to i have to click on in adept?
[08:53] <nicio> do*
[08:54] <Jucato> sun-java6-bin (or sun-java5-bin)
[08:54] <Jucato> or in Add/Remove Programs, just search for the Sun version
[08:54] <stdin> if you want the plugin uoi need the -plugin one too
[08:54] <stdin> s/uoi/you/
[08:54] <Jucato> yeah, for firefox
[08:54] <Jucato> hi stdin
[08:55] <stdin> :p
[08:55] <nicio> stdin: "uoi need the -plugin one too" didnt understand that part
[08:56] <Jucato> nicio: replace "uoi" with "you"
[08:56] <Jucato> that's what s/uoi/you/ practically means
[08:56] <stdin> nicio: if you want the java plugin you need to install the sun-java5-plugin package, or the sun-java6-plugin package
[08:56] <Jucato> in sed/vim speak
[08:56] <Jucato> for firefox mostly
[08:57] <stdin> works in konquror too
[08:57] <Jucato> hm.. I never had need to install the -plugin for Konq
[08:58] <stdin> for the jre?
[08:58] <Jucato> yeah, just the plain -bin/-jre worked last time
[08:58] <Jucato> never had use for Java anyway
[09:00] <nicio> Jucato: i select all u told me it download the packs in 1mili sec is that normal?
[09:00] <Jucato> it will still install, then it will ask you to agree to a license
[09:01] <nicio> Jucato: do u know how to install a bin file that is on the desktop?
[09:01] <nicio> Jucato: there was no licen to agreed
[09:01] <Jucato> O.o
[09:02] <stdin> Jucato: hmm, you're right "sun-java6-bin: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so" seems it's in -bin now :)
[09:02] <nicio> lol no
[09:02] <nicio> i have a bin file i want to install
[09:02] <Jucato> nicio: how did you download java? from where?
[09:02] <nicio> adept
[09:03] <Jucato> that bin file would be the java installer I presume?
[09:03] <nicio> no
[09:03] <nicio> its real player bin
[09:03] <Jucato> usually, you go to the directory where the .bin file is in, then you run it like "./filename.bin" (the ./ is important)
[09:04] <Jucato> you might have to use sudo with that. not really sure
[09:04] <stdin> nicio: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[09:04] <nicio> the normale plugins everyone told me to install never work,only the bin but i forgot how i install it the last time
[09:08] <nicio> stdin: after i add deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main close the window and do what?
[09:09] <stdin> nicio: open adept, then click on fetch updates, then you should be able to install realplayer from adept
[09:09] <stdin> nicio: or from Add/Remove
[09:12] <nicio> stdin: is that new?i never swa that way every time i was told to install the bin
[09:13] <stdin> nicio: no, it's been around for a while
[09:14] <nicio> stdin: why adept keep breakin packs?it allways the same for updates etc
[09:15] <kumamoto> could be the never ending update of linux386
[09:16] <nicio> stdin: realplay keeps faillin at 20% instalation
[09:17] <stdin> nicio: open konsole and do "sudo apt-get install realplay"
[09:20] <nicio> stdin: is there a way to put the dos window in english?it give me an error wen i sudo apt-get install realplay
[09:21] <stdin> nicio: it's not DOS :P, but put "LANG=C sudo apt-get install reallplay" to get english
[09:26] <nicio> stdin: i did LANG=C sudo apt-get install reallplay but why it saying Couldn't find package reallplay
[09:27] <stdin> nicio: realplay, not reallplay
[09:27] <nicio> stdin: that wa it said i paste it
[09:28] <stdin> nicio: copy & paste this line: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install realplay
[09:28] <Jucato> stdin: heh your typo :P
[09:29] <nicio> stdin: http://pastebin.com/mc5baf1c
[09:29] <stdin> nicio: remove helix-player first
[09:29] <nicio> oh
[09:30] <nicio> this is confution one thing can not install cause another
[09:31] <smileonu> where is the directory for scripts by konversation?
[09:32] <stdin> smileonu: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[09:32] <Jucato> or /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/ for the system-wide/system-default ones
[09:32] <smileonu> ive try this, but there is noch directorie -.-
[09:32] <smileonu> i try 2nd one
[09:32] <stdin> smileonu: you can just make it
[09:32] <nicio> stdin: instalation succes tanks
[09:32] <smileonu> yes, but there is a default script
[09:32] <smileonu> ./media
[09:32] <smileonu> i want to change something
[09:33] <stdin> smileonu: if you put it in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts it should override the system default (I think)
[09:33] <stdin> nicio: :)
[09:33] <smileonu> 2nd one is fine
[09:33] <smileonu> thx stdin
[09:35] <Jucato> smileonu: the /usr directory is for the ones that were installed by default and for scripts that all users will be able to use. you would need admin privileges to modify or add to those. the location stdin gave is for your own user. you can create that directory if it's missing
[09:36] <nicio> stdin: real player is install but the website still askin for the plugin to view the flash
[09:36] <nicio> firefox
[09:36] <stdin> !flash
[09:36] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:40] <holycow> heh
[09:40] <holycow> funny
[09:40] <holycow> to actually remove ubuntu-desktop and dependencies BUT leave kubuntu
[09:40] <holycow> what you HAVETO do
[09:40] <holycow> is generate two lists of dependencies
[09:40] <nicio> stdin: i install the none free allready.how do i know if my pc is 64b or 32b?
[09:41] <holycow> and only remove the booleaned ubuntu-desktop dependencies
[09:41] <stdin> holycow: or just google for "purekde"
[09:41] <holycow> BECAUSE ubuntu-desktoip DEPENDS on things like cups and acpi
[09:41] <holycow> >_<
[09:41] <holycow> and a bash library
[09:41] <Jucato> didn't I just give that link a few hours ago...
[09:41] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[09:42] <holycow> checking, never heard of it
[09:42] <stdin> shouldn't ubuntu-standard depend on cups/acpi etc. not ubuntu-desktop?
[09:42] <holycow> right!
[09:42] <holycow> one would think
[09:42] <holycow> do apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <holycow> unless i'm misunderstanding something about that command
[09:43] <holycow> aha great link thank you
[09:44] <stdin> holycow: both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop have dependencies on those
[09:44] <holycow> indeed
[09:44] <stdin> but it should be in -standard imo
[09:44] <holycow> imho too
[09:45] <holycow> thats what i discovered when i finally generated a string containing all the deps ... heh i wouldn't be able to log back in ... >_<
[09:46] <holycow> fantastic linkage, thank you
[09:47] <holycow> that should be turned into a script and packaged up and put in the repos
[09:51] <stdin> seems there are 81 duplicate dependencies in {k,u}buntu-desktop
[09:52] <stdin> dependencies/recommends
[09:52] <holycow> right
[09:53] <holycow> well i didn't know that but ...
[09:53] <holycow> kinda crazy imho
[09:53] <holycow> obviously someone is much better with awk than me :)
[09:53] <holycow> lol
[09:55] <stdin> holycow: well, sort and uniq actually :)
[09:55] <Jucato> hope not --recurse?
[09:55] <holycow> considering the purpose of the metapackages its understandeable they try to pull in core packages
[09:56] <holycow> so my thought to use metapackage info to reverse the process isn't going to work
[09:56] <holycow> the purekde approach seems correct
[09:56] <holycow> just manually keeping a list of core de packages
[09:56] <stdin> Jucato: apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop > k ; apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop > u ; cat k u | sort | uniq -d > dups
[09:57] <holycow> nice :)
[09:57] <holycow> mine was faaaaaaaaaaar more long winded
[09:57] <holycow> lol
[09:58] <Jucato> I don't understand what that has to do with "81 dups"..
[09:58] <stdin> Jucato: duplications
[09:59] <Jucato> aren't you just comparing what deps kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop have in common?
[09:59] <holycow> heh in other words we should have two more metapackages
[09:59] <holycow> ubuntu-desktop-remove and kubuntu-desktop-remove
[09:59] <Jucato> metapackages are not for removing.... they are for installing
[09:59] <holycow> i disagree
[10:00] <holycow> metapackages are for agregating functionality
[10:00] <stdin> Jucato: if you look at the list, a lot of those should be in -standard I think, acip, cups, hal ...
[10:00] <Jucato> stdin: and they aren't?
[10:01] <stdin> Jucato: nope
[10:01] <Jucato> hm...
[10:01] <holycow> the problem really is that my wanting to remove gnome and using ubuntu-desktop to try to accomplish that is the wrong approach
[10:02] <holycow> what we have discovered is that there is an overlap to some degree but the metapackage serves a differentpurpse from what a de does
[10:02] <nicio> Jucato: how can i read a url file from xp?
[10:02] <Jucato> nicio: don't know
[10:02] <holycow> Jucato: for fucks sake, stop being an mwilson
[10:02] <holycow> jesus f christ dude :)
[10:03] <holycow> oops sorry haha
[10:03] <nicio> ohmy | holycow
[10:03] <Jucato> !language
[10:03] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:03] <Jucato> and I don't even know who that is
[10:03] <stdin> nicio: cat file.url ?
[10:03] <holycow> Jucato: seriously, you seem like a smart fellow, stop being so pedantic
[10:03] <Jucato> fine
[10:03] <holycow> Jucato: *nod* i don't mean it as an insult, in #debian there was  aperson named mwilson for a long time
[10:03] <nicio> stdin: its i file that was save in favorit on xp
[10:04] <holycow> and he was a very bright person who was correct all of the time but just focused in on minutia making it hard to communicate
[10:04] <Jucato> too late for that
[10:04] <holycow> :)
[10:04] <stdin> nicio: yeah, I think they are just a file with a url in them, try opening it with kate or use "cat filename.url"
[10:04] <holycow> no i rally didn't mean it as an insult, it comes accross that way because i have a fuse ... you have been nice to me
[10:05] <happytiger> Hey there. what is a cool gui unmount tool. So my girlfriend can easily unmount her usbflash disc? Starting a konsole and typing sudo umount /media/somename is to scarry for her
[10:05] <Jucato> happytiger: right-click on the icon on the Desktop
[10:05] <holycow> happytiger: konqueror
[10:05] <holycow> or what Jucato said
[10:06] <stdin> happytiger: the url media:/ should help too
[10:06] <happytiger> Ah oki I never new this guess I am to much of cli junkie :-) cool knew there must be another way both I never bothered before lol
[10:07] <happytiger> thx
[10:07] <nicio> stdin: kate did it
[10:07] <waylandbill> one of the rules of the channel is to watch the language, so it doesn't seem trivial to me and I'm sure others.
[10:12] <nicio> stdin: how can i save a flash video with firefox and konqueror
[10:12] <nicio> ?
[10:12] <stdin> I don't know, there's probably some firefox extension for it tho
[10:12] <holycow> google that
[10:13] <holycow> lots of different tools for linux
[10:20] <waylandbill> there's tons of different FF extensions to save video files.
[10:28] <erikja> !wireless
[10:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:34] <nicio> u
[10:34] <bernd> hi, i got no sound with kubuntu, it seems that it needs pulseaudio and only root have the permission to connect to pulseaudio. have anybody an indea why?
[10:35] <gordonjcp> hi
[10:35] <gordonjcp> how do I change the colours for icon labels on the desktop, in particular getting rid of the mid-grey outline?
[10:36] <nicio> !sound
[10:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:37] <nicio> gordonjcp: right click the icon u want to change theres a lttile icon key cllick on that
[10:37] <nicio> gordonjcp: right clic>propeti
[10:38] <dotz> i need some help on mounting nfs........... i specified RW for mounting a nfs.. in nfs server i've set RW in /etc/exports.. now i got 2 machines mounting a nfs server.. one is debian and one is feisty.. same settings totally..but feisty cannoot write on it and debian can
[10:38] <dotz> what is wrong!
[10:38] <dotz> i've been trying to troubleshoot for days
[10:39] <gordonjcp> nicio: I don't see an option to change the style of the title
[10:39] <dotz> do i need some kind of drivers to write in NFS for feisty?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> dotz: probably some user mapping problem
[10:40] <Jucato> gordonjcp: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Background -> Advanced Options button (at the right side)
[10:40] <gordonjcp> Jucato: aha
[10:41] <dotz> user mapping
[10:41] <dotz> both machines debian and ubuntu both in root
[10:41] <gordonjcp> Jucato: that's got it, thanks
[10:41] <dotz> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[10:41] <gordonjcp> I have readable titles now ;-)
[10:41] <gordonjcp> dotz: no-root-squash?
[10:41] <dotz> both mounting using same option and same folder same permissions
[10:41] <dotz> in nfs server /etc/exports i had that added
[10:42] <dotz> and done a exportfs
[10:46] <bernd> i don't find anything about my sound problem. if i type "amixer" i get the message: "*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused"
[10:47] <nicio> dotz: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[10:47] <bernd> only if i'm root it works (but then there is also no sound)
[10:47] <nhatz96> guys
[10:47] <stdin> whois xp_killer
[10:48] <nhatz96> xp_killer:  how to setup dcpserver in XP
[10:48] <xp_killer> dotz: o_O
[10:48] <xp_killer> lol it wake him up lol
[10:49] <stdin> xp_killer: ban evasion is not a good thing to do...
[10:49] <xp_killer> stdin: ban evasion?i didnt escape i had problem with linux
[10:50] <xp_killer> no one could of help so i reinstall
[10:50] <stdin> xp_killer: your ban is still in place...
[10:51] <nicio> stdin: oh so what should i do change room?
[10:51] <nicio> q_p
[10:52] <nicio> no answer guess i stay then
[10:53] <dotz> i've read again and again
[10:53] <dotz> tried to verify using another machine
[10:53] <dotz> but i don't get it why 3 comps with feisty can't mount
[10:54] <dotz> 3 comps with debian can mount
[10:54] <dotz> all same settings
[11:21] <combinio> can someone help with cedega?? :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37083/ :: don't know what error is this (?) :|
[11:21] <combinio> something about python... i guess ;P
[11:23] <combinio> ... no one on this channel ? :]  crap!
[11:24] <stdin> combinio: did you look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:24] <stdin> combinio: or ask in #cedega
[11:25] <combinio> stdin: ok i'll ask :)
[11:25] <cody> Hello all
[11:28] <enjoi1216> kkathman bro whats kickin
[11:29] <enjoi1216> is anybody awake in this room
[11:30] <enjoi1216> thinks everybody in this room has gotten zombiefied
[11:31] <enjoi1216> hey stdin
[11:31] <stdin> \o
[11:31] <enjoi1216> hey how do i go about reinstalling yahoo messenger on kopete
[11:31] <stdin> delete the account and recreate it?
[11:32] <enjoi1216> well walk me through it because i have taken linux before but i'm not certain of what to do because i am more of a hands on step by stop person
[11:33] <enjoi1216> stop = step
[11:33] <enjoi1216> are you there
[11:33] <enjoi1216> ?
[11:33] <stdin> open kopete, go to settings > configure > accounts and remove it
[11:33] <stdin> then add a new one
[11:34] <enjoi1216> ok hang on let me try it and see if it works
[11:36] <_4strO> hi there
[11:36] <enjoi1216> ok stdin now heres another problem i'm contending with
[11:37] <stdin> yep?
[11:37] <enjoi1216> ok like i have a myspace profile like a myspace account because i have friends ther and enjoy talking to all my friends there
[11:37] <dotz> what is needed for NFS client?
[11:37] <dotz> what packages
[11:38] <dotz> in order for it to able to write
[11:38] <combinio> how to figure out do i have 3d acceleration on my Radeon 9600 ?
[11:38] <enjoi1216> anyway is ther anyway i can confifure my browser to get it to where i can log into my myspace account
[11:38] <combinio> cuz Direct Rendering: YES, but acceleration, not sure
[11:38] <stdin> enjoi1216: you cant?
[11:39] <stdin> combinio: you do if it has "yes"
[11:39] <combinio> but in cedega - Rendering and acceleration are two different things :/
[11:39] <combinio> and rendering - YES, but 3d - NO :/
[11:39] <combinio> strange...
[11:39] <stdin> enjoi1216: or why cant you login, rather?
[11:39] <enjoi1216> well see heres the thing like i have to get on my Windows XP machine just to log in because Firefox or Konquerer isn't letting me log inte my myspace account
[11:39] <combinio> stdin: is there some command ?
[11:40] <enjoi1216> yeah thats what i'm getting at
[11:40] <enjoi1216> i mean is there anything i can do about that
[11:40] <stdin> combinio: you may need to use xgl to use 3d acceleration
[11:41] <stdin> enjoi1216: what do you mean it's not letting you? what happens?
[11:41] <combinio> oh i see...
[11:41] <combinio> so i'm not gonna be involved in xgl.. i dislike it :)
[11:41] <enjoi1216> ok like when i go http;//www.myspace.com
[11:41] <combinio> stdin: thx for info anyway :)
[11:41] <enjoi1216> and then i go to log in
[11:42] <enjoi1216> like i punch in my user name and password
[11:42] <enjoi1216> and then i klik sign in
[11:43] <enjoi1216> then it tries to flag me like saying lost your password
[11:43] <enjoi1216> and i know that i have entered the right username and password
[11:43] <enjoi1216> because i have even slowed down my typing and looked down at the keyboard while i'm typing to make sure the password that i am entering is correct
[11:44] <enjoi1216> but it won't let me sign in through either browser period
[11:44] <enjoi1216> and i don't understand that
[11:44] <enjoi1216> unless i need to go into the browsers and delete the cookies
[11:45] <enjoi1216> but see stdin i doubt that is going to help anything
[11:45] <enjoi1216> i mean what can you tell me
[11:45] <enjoi1216> because this has me confused
[11:46] <enjoi1216> stdin are you there
[11:46] <stdin> enjoi1216: i just created an account, works fine here, on both browsers
[11:47] <enjoi1216> well do i need to make the browser save my password
[11:47] <enjoi1216> see because i told it not to
[11:49] <stdin> enjoi1216: in firefox, Edit > preferences > security > exceptions (under Passwords)
[11:51] <enjoi1216> ok let me try it again
[11:52] <enjoi1216> stdin thats not working worth a shit
[11:52] <stdin> !language
[11:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:53] <enjoi1216> ok i'm sorry
[11:53] <enjoi1216> does the government watch this channel
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> yes.
[11:53] <enjoi1216> ok anyway stdin what can i do
[11:54] <stdin> not sure, it's all working here when I try
[11:54] <enjoi1216> does it work through K
[11:55] <enjoi1216> when you use it
[11:55] <enjoi1216> Konquerer
[11:55] <stdin> yep
[11:56] <kumamoto> enjoi1216: the govt thing funny
[11:56] <enjoi1216> well Kuma
[11:56] <enjoi1216> it just bothers me because when i had the linux mandrake loaded it worked fine
[11:57] <enjoi1216> now i get my new Kubuntu program and it doesn't want to work for nothing