[01:15] <LaserRock> ogra: btw, xaos has an interesting depwait on i386, you might want to look at the build log at some point
[01:32] <ogra> fixed
[06:49] <BiNaRyCoDe> Hello ppl, I need help
[18:24] <Goosemoose> anyone have a preseed file they're using to distribute edubuntu?
[18:27] <Lns> Java 2 / Swing....possible in Edubuntu/Ubuntu? If so, what do I need to install? I already have sun-java6-bin/sun-java6-jre/sun-java6-plugin 6-06-0ubuntu1 installed.
[18:27] <Lns> (and java-common 0.28ubuntu3)
[19:23] <Lns> is anyone having major issues with ubuntu repos right now?
[19:23] <Lns> they seem dog slow to me
[19:55] <pem725> Greetings, I have a quick nat question I think...anyone have a second to answer?
[20:03] <Lns> !question
[20:07] <pem725> can a edubuntu-standalone server be a common gateway to other non-thin clients?
[20:10] <Lns> pem725: i believe so
[20:11] <pem725> great
[20:11] <Lns> do you have 2 nics?
[20:11] <pem725> yep
[20:11] <pem725> everything setup according to the handbook
[20:11] <Lns> yeah - if they're on the same subnet then i'm sure you can (specially if dhcp is on edu-svr)
[20:11] <pem725> the thin clients work like a charm
[20:11] <Lns> awesome =)
[20:11] <pem725> my fat clients get an ip address from dhcp but no forwarding takes place
[20:12] <Lns> pem725: i think you might need to set that up manually then
[20:12] <Lns> i forget exactly what it is
[20:12] <pem725> I even followed the ip forwarding for nat in the handbook - or perhaps elsewhere I cannot recall
[20:12] <Lns> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/blah blah something or other
[20:12] <pem725> ah yes,
[20:12] <pem725> done
[20:12] <pem725> already put ip_forwarding to 1
[20:13] <Lns> how about setting up a default route
[20:13] <pem725> ok, how?
[20:22] <pem725> Lns - no worries, I got it.  Thanks
[20:22] <Lns> oh sorry - didn't see your reply
[23:18] <moquist> hardy says: "User Switcher" has quit unexpectedly
[23:19] <moquist> also, it takes ~50s for the logout dialog to appear
[23:20] <moquist> hmm. I don't know that I've ever tested the console; I've only logged into TCs.
[23:26] <Lns> user switcher should really be disabled on TCs
[23:26] <LaserJock> I thought it was
[23:27] <moquist> well, it's not running now ;)
[23:27] <Lns> mine was installed/running by default
[23:27] <Lns> and I get an error when trying to switch
[23:28] <Lns> "Permissions error: Your user does not have permissions to create additional logins. Check your ~/.Xauthority setup.  Details: ~/.Xauthority file badly configured or missing. 100 Not authenticated"


[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[05:25] <darkxst> hi pitti
[05:25] <pitti> hey darkxst
[05:32] <darkxst> Laney, any chance you could do a saucy build of trusty webkitgtk on your special ppa? ppa builders still dislike webkit ;(
[09:06] <Laney> morning
[09:07] <darkxst> hey Laney
[09:08] <Laney> darkxst: hmm
[09:08] <darkxst> Laney, please!
[09:09] <Laney> they all build for too many architectures
[09:09] <Laney> also I'd rather not have to do it for every release
[09:09] <Laney> did you try disabling debug symbols etc?
[09:10] <darkxst> Laney, its only to fix Bug 1163886
[09:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1163886 in webkit (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with WebKit 2.0+" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163886
[09:10] <Laney> oh man we should SRU that
[09:10] <darkxst> it has been SRU'ed
[09:11] <darkxst> but we have a new webkit on the PPA's
[09:11] <Laney> are you already ahead of saucy then?
[09:11] <Laney> ._.
[09:11] <darkxst> yes
[09:13] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[09:13] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:13] <Laney> how are you?
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: quite fine thanks! last week before holidays, and still so much stuff to do .. :)
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: can merge your new dbusmock template today when you can clean it up (or tell me to do it myself if you  don't have time)
[09:14] <Laney> I'll do it, sure, just catching up on weekend stuff atm
[09:15] <Laney> all the things will still be there after holidays ;-)
[09:15] <pitti> yes, and I don't want them to :)
[09:36] <darkxst> Laney, so just this once, can you do it?
[09:37] <darkxst> I tried disabling debug symbols in the past, but we have dbgsym's enabled on the ppa's
[09:42] <Laney> it makes me edgy, the PPA you're talking about is for doing armhf test builds
[09:42] <Laney> let me think about it
[09:49] <xnox> ubiquity looks very weird with new gtk
[09:50] <xnox> it's like 1.5 wider than it used to be
[09:51] <darkxst> Laney, ok, let me know
[09:55] <Laney> xnox: I guess file a bug, attach a screenshot and let larsu know its #
[09:56] <xnox> Laney: i don't exclude that ubiquity is setting style / properties / etc wrong. Ubiquity code did grow since forever, and we do try hard to center re-position the main window.
[09:57]  * xnox boots it in !chinese locale first
[09:57] <xnox> btw Ubuntu Kylin default wallpaper is pure beauty.
[10:06] <darkxst> xnox, I also have had reports that the partition resize slider is broken
[10:07] <xnox> darkxst: i want a screenshot of that. because we did change in saucy the day before release, so it actually might be what it suppose to be.
[10:07]  * xnox spins up a large vm to test that.
[10:08] <darkxst> xnox, these are recent, since 3.10 landed, no slider shows up at all apparently
[10:10] <darkxst> xnox, Bug 1260473
[10:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1260473 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The slide bar that allow to rezise the partition does not appear" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260473
[10:10] <xnox> darkxst: .... and no screenshot
[10:11]  * xnox is not Neo to read visual data based on green scrolling text ;-)
[10:11] <darkxst> no I don;t have a screenshot
[10:12] <darkxst> numerous people are still complaining though....
[10:12] <darkxst> although I guess thats about normal for the "maybe" install along-side option
[10:14] <xnox> nah, it really is broken worse than it normally used to be.
[10:22] <darkxst> xnox, ok, its hard to know sometimes, we get a lot of noise on g+ and mailing lists, from people that refuse to actually file bugs
[10:24] <xnox> darkxst: who is "we"?
[10:25] <darkxst> Ubuntu GNOME
[10:25] <xnox> darkxst: well, i believe it's a gtk+3.10 regression, and as GNOME flavour you are best suited to take it up upstream =)
[10:28] <xnox> ;-)
[10:28] <Laney> you buck passer
[10:29] <xnox> giggley giggley gi =)
[10:29] <xnox> i've been fixing theming bugs in gtk/ubiquity since I started hacking on ubiquity
[10:30] <xnox> i honestly fell like switching to qml/qt, but maybe that simply has it's own set of UI/themeing bugs.
[10:30] <Laney> we should make sure to test ubiquity with new gtks really
[10:31] <xnox> i don't think gtk based flavours will be happy, but then again, they'll just pick up the frontend maintainance, like kubuntu did for the qt frontend since forever.
[10:31] <xnox> Laney: ubiquity - the gtk stress test, caught like 3 grave bugs in glade/gtkbuilder alone....
[10:32] <darkxst> xnox, seems like a larsu thing really, I don't really have much to do with the gtk update (other than wanting it)... themeing is well beyond me
[10:34] <xnox> darkxst: well, if one wants gtk update one gets bugs & regressions that come with it. So please help fix them, instead of complaining about the complaints you get =)
[10:34] <xnox> anyway
[10:34] <xnox> with the width bug, it feels like some rough widgets blows out of proportion.
[10:34] <xnox> which is probably the full-ubiquity-window-width progressbar.
[10:35] <darkxst> xnox, not complaining, just forwarding!
[10:36] <xnox> darkxst: that doesn't help either. triaging bugs, usually involves filtering. e.g. marking the "missing diver bug" as confirmed and attaching screenshot.
[10:38] <Laney> xnox: is it upstart-ish to have 'start <somejob>' in a pre-start script?
[10:39] <xnox> Laney: yes.
[10:39] <Laney> interesting
[10:39] <xnox> Laney: it's a non-blocking way to do inverse of "start on starting me" in the "somejob"
[10:39] <darkxst> xnox, I don't track ubiquity bugs, unless I happen to see them reported via iso tracker
[10:39] <xnox> Laney: such that "somejob" doesn't need to know about all the reverse-alternatives it should be starting on.
[10:40] <Laney> Hmm, I think you'd want it to be blocking usually
[10:41] <Laney> like, you put it in pre-start because you need the job to run your main program
[10:42] <darkxst> but I do see noise form the 'report-a-bug-phobes'
[10:43] <darkxst> who when you tell them to run 'ubuntu-bug' say Its too hard
[10:44] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-wizard/+merge/186862
[10:44] <Laney> the upstart stuff in there seems smelly to me
[10:44] <Laney> wizard/main.cpp and the user session job
[10:44] <Laney> xnox: please look
[10:50] <xnox> Laney: you really don't want it blocking, otherwise one can easily end up in a dead-lock.
[10:50] <xnox> Laney: if blocking is needed, one should use "start on starting" for one thing to block starting the other.
[10:51] <Laney> how should one job make sure another one is running without the cooperation of that one?
[10:52] <xnox> wait-for-state
[10:52] <Laney> NEVER HEARD OF IT!
[10:52]  * Laney rtfms
[10:52] <xnox> typically one does "start foo" and then checks that "foo" is start/running, after a timeout
[10:53] <xnox> one can write it manually, or use the magic job wait-for-state
[10:53] <xnox> let me show you a good example.
[10:53] <xnox> So in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/967229
[10:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 967229 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Text mode shown briefly with various "cryptic" texts when logging out or shutting down" [High,Triaged]
[10:53] <xnox> i proposed this: f
[10:53] <xnox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158609890/message-less-shutdown.patch
[10:53] <Laney> that should be in the cookbook
[10:53] <xnox> it's a bit akward, because I first check that the job exists, since it might not.
[10:54] <xnox> otherwise ti's straight forward.
[10:54] <xnox> e.g. plymouth-shutdown, waits for lightdm to stop
[10:54] <xnox> and rc [016] waits for plymouth-shutdown to start
[10:54] <xnox> such that one gets "cryptic message less" shutdown.
[10:55] <xnox> "flickerless" is a better term, I guess.
[10:55] <Laney> ta, that's interesting
[10:55] <xnox> also note https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/962047
[10:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 962047 in upstart (Ubuntu) "document wait-for-state" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:56] <Laney> might want to change that assignment :-)
[10:56] <xnox> Laney: i think the right solution is for upstart to implement states
[10:56] <xnox> e.g. "when runlevel=2 and networking IFACE!=lo" thus start me when those conditions are satisfied and stop me when they are not
[10:57] <xnox> such that e.g. restart networking works and doesn't bring down the machine to ~= runlevel 1.5
[10:59] <Laney> well, in this case you want to be able to cause some state transitions to happen too
[11:00] <xnox> when does osk keyboard start?
[11:00] <Laney> apparently mterry knows this is a pile of hacks apparently
[11:00] <Laney> from the comments
[11:00]  * Laney is spooked by this
[11:00] <Laney> "let the technical debt in and fix it later" is a model which scares me
[11:01] <Laney> 'started unity8'
[11:04] <xnox> Laney: I don't see how wizard will work without unity8, so ubuntu-system-settings-wizard should be: start on started unity and started maliit-server
[11:04] <xnox> oh, but it's starts it's own session?!
[11:05] <xnox> i thought ubuntu-touch-session is gone already.
[11:05] <Laney> no idea
[11:05] <xnox> how is this meant to work? or e.g. how does the existing tour-guide work?
[11:05] <Laney> nah that still exists
[11:05] <Laney> the normal greeter starts it
[11:05] <Laney> I think this is about initial configuration
[11:06] <xnox> cause the inital system setup is suppose to be part of the tour-guide (either before or after it, can't remember from design docs)
[11:06] <Laney> seems like it should be a system job
[11:06] <xnox> it's per user, as per design.
[11:06] <xnox> not system-wide.
[11:08] <Laney> or maybe even just started by unity8 if necessary
[11:09] <Laney> ho hum
[14:06] <pitti> Laney: sorry about https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/python-dbusmock/timedated-template/+merge/198976
[14:06] <pitti> Laney: that's a bit strange, does timedatectl get the date itself, not from timedated?
[14:23] <pitti> s/date/time zone/
[14:42] <Laney> pitti: aha, of course, I even noticed that in the second testcase
[14:43] <Laney> It gets the offset from localtime() or similar
[14:48] <Laney> pitti: try now
[14:50] <pitti> Laney: cheers
[14:51] <pitti> Laney: merged
[14:51] <Laney> \o/
[14:51] <Laney> thanks, I'll leave it alone for now :P
[14:53] <pitti> Laney: poke me when it gets urgent, otherwise I'll finish my ofono template first, and upload towards the end of week
[14:54] <Laney> pitti: I'll need to finish the testcases themselves first, might not be done this week (= year) anyway; take your time
[14:55] <Laney> vim .procmailrc
[14:55]  * pitti nudges Laney's mouse pointer in position
[14:56] <Laney> uh no, you aren't a shell prompt
[14:56] <Laney> damn you FFM :P
[14:56] <pitti> FFM ♥
[14:57] <Laney> huh, a missing colon. I wonder how many years that has been there...
[14:58] <Laney> GNOME announce mails have always hit my inbox and I never bothered to look until now
[15:16] <xnox> FFM?
[15:16] <xnox> i thought we'd have FFE by know based on the builtin webcams. (Focus Follow Eyesight)
[15:24] <mlankhorst> oh
[16:22] <xnox_> Laney: subtle
[16:22] <Laney> I tried unsubtle and it didn't work :P
[17:23] <attente> Laney, thanks for the review, i just fixed those issues
[17:24] <Laney> great, I'll look again tomorrow
[17:35] <alkisg> attente: hi, would you mind having a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1260226 ?
[17:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1260226 in Indicator keyboard "Xorg layout switching shortcut doesn't update indicator" [Undecided,New]
[20:42] <robert_ancell> desrt, are we using dconf 0.19 in trusty?
[20:47] <desrt> we ought to be
[20:47] <desrt> i don't know if Laney uploaded it yet, though
[20:48] <robert_ancell> it appears not
[20:51] <Laney> nein
[20:52] <Laney> I will do
[20:52] <Laney> is there a release this time?


 :) I sent you the patch yesterday :P
[10:20] <nerochiaro> Andy80: great ! i'm not sure if i will review it myself or someone else, but thanks
[10:20] <nerochiaro> Andy80: i will have a look later or monday
[10:23] <Andy80> nerochiaro: thanks :) I also created the "schema" file for the other bug you assigned me, but it's not in patch form... it's just the .schemas file attached to the bug... I neither know if it's ok or not.
[10:25] <nerochiaro> Andy80: Well, it needs to be put somewhere in the package i assume, so do a bzr add of the file in the right place and then push the branch somewhere and ask for a merge review of that branch
[10:28] <Andy80> nerochiaro: I wanted to do it but I really don't know where to put the file... for that reason I simply attached it to the bug ;) p.s: how does it work with bazaar branches exactly? Do I have to always work on the same branch or is it better if I create a new branch for every bug/feature I work on until they're not merged in the main one?
[10:34] <nerochiaro> Andy80: one for every bug. the way it works is that you do a "bzr branch lp:unity-2d workbugxxxx" then you go into the branch and do your work, and commit as often as you like, always with clear commit messages. Push your branch somewhere in lp under your account like lp:~andreagrandi/unity-2d/meaningful_name_for_branch . push often so your work is safe. and once in a while do a "bzr pull" or a "bzr merge lp:unity-2d" to pull in the
[10:34] <nerochiaro> latest changes (and resolve any conflicts). finally when you're done, submit a merge request for the branch. do this for each different bug you work on.
[10:34] <nerochiaro> that's what I do at least :)
[11:04] <daker> good morning
[11:04] <daker> on Unity i have an area where  i can't scroll/click on it is, anyone experiencing the same issue ?
[11:08] <andyrock> daker, the window invisible issue...
[11:08] <andyrock> daker, i think...
[11:09] <daker> bug # ?
[11:09] <andyrock> daker, just a moment
[11:10] <andyrock> daker, look here https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/755459
[11:10] <andyrock> daker, i don't know if it is your same bug
[11:10] <daker> ok lemme read the comments
[11:11] <daker> andyrock, yes the same bug ツ
[11:12] <andyrock> daker, quoting Jason: «It's a feature!» :)
[11:16] <daker> thanks andyrock
[11:16] <andyrock> daker, yw ;)
[11:30] <Andy80> nerochiaro: thanks! Sorry for the delay I was away from keyboard :)
[11:30] <nerochiaro> Andy80: no problem
[15:04] <andyrock> hi all
[15:04] <andyrock> i've some `design` problem with this bug
[15:04] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/735031
[15:05] <andyrock> if someone can help me, i will be really happy
[15:09] <andyrock> the problem is: if we drag the launcher with the right click, the quicklist is shown and the drag start
[15:10] <andyrock> why? because the quicklist is shown not only at the down event
[15:10] <andyrock> and not to the click event
[15:11] <andyrock> there are different solutions
[15:11] <andyrock> for example show the quicklist at the click event (not down event)
[15:11] <andyrock> or
[15:12] <andyrock> close the quicklist when drag start
[15:12] <andyrock> BUT we have to show the quicklist after a timeout in this case
[15:59] <njpatel> andyrock, quicklist _should_ be shown on button down (most context menus are)
[15:59] <njpatel> andyrock, maybe when we detect a drag, we just close the active quicklits?
[15:59] <njpatel> quicklist*
[16:00] <andyrock> njpatel, yes... but we have to add a short timeout
[16:00] <andyrock> njpatel, otherwise we have a flash effect!
[16:00] <njpatel> andyrock, why?
[16:00] <njpatel> aah
[16:01] <andyrock> njpatel, quicklist open and close create a flash effect
[16:01] <njpatel> andyrock, I think short timeout is fine, just put a comment in why your doing it like that instead of just closing it straight away
[16:01] <saamm> is it possible that invisible window problem is related to this bug -- Bug #761252
[16:01] <njpatel> saamm, the dash, in natty, is not using an xwindow at all anymore, so it shouldn't be the issue
[16:02] <saamm> oh ok
[16:03] <andyrock> njpatel, ok thx
[16:35] <artfwo> njpatel, about that merge request for bug 728598
[16:36] <artfwo> that was indeed fixed long ago
[16:42] <njpatel> artfwo, awesome, thanks
[16:42] <njpatel> artfwo, could you mark it as super-seeded?
[16:42] <njpatel> or un merge-request
[16:43] <njpatel> (please :)
[16:43] <artfwo> njpatel, how to do this?
[16:43] <sbte> hey, anyone here knows a better place to report this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/785233
[16:43] <sbte> it has a testcase and it's a regression, so it should be easy to fix
[16:45] <artfwo> njpatel, done, deleted the branch entirely, looks like the merge proposal is gone
[16:45] <njpatel> artfwo, I think if you go to the merge page (https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/unity/fix-for-728598/+merge/52523) it should have a yellow button that yo ucan click to change the details
[16:45] <njpatel> artfwo, ah, thanks :)
[16:45] <njpatel> cdbs, ping
[16:46] <jcastro> njpatel: might be good to do a call for "hey everyone, unpropose your old crap"
[16:46] <njpatel> jcastro, heh, I'm not sure how much is actually there now. I've been rejecting things if they are very old
[16:46] <jcastro> oh ok
[16:46] <njpatel> (with a comment explaining why)
[16:46] <jcastro> looks way better than before
[16:46] <njpatel> indeed
[17:09] <cdbs> njpatel: pong
[17:09] <cdbs> njpatel: Is it about the GTK3 port? Yes, I'll be fixing that thing over the weekend
[17:10] <cdbs> jcastro: Hi there! Welcome back! How was Florida?
[17:10] <njpatel> nope, asking about this merge proposal lp:~bilalakhtar/unity/make-compilation-strict
[17:11] <njpatel> cdbs, ^
[17:11] <jcastro> good
[17:11] <cdbs> njpatel: what about it?
[17:11] <cdbs> njpatel: didrocks wanted it in, there's a really good reason for that merge
[17:11] <jcastro> njpatel: hey did gord's doxygen thing merge in? there's an open work item for it
[17:11] <njpatel> cdbs, I'm not sure what you last comment means, do we still need it in trunk or not?
[17:11] <cdbs> njpatel: we need it
[17:11] <cdbs> njpatel: in its current state, yes
[17:11] <njpatel> jcastro, it's approved since yesterday, not sure if he's merged it or not (it's fricking awesome)
[17:12] <njpatel> cdbs, but only for 4.6 and above, right?
[17:12] <njpatel> it fails with lower than that?
[17:12] <cdbs> njpatel: no, it works with 4.4+
[17:12] <cdbs> njpatel: my comment was concerning the backwards-compatibility which was fixed in the second commit
[17:12] <njpatel> cdbs, oh, so it's fine to go in?
[17:12] <cdbs> njpatel: yup
[17:13] <cdbs> O' hey, I forgot
[17:13] <cdbs> Today's a Review Friday!
[17:13] <cdbs> That's why njpatel is busy winding across the MPs :D
[17:20] <njpatel> cdbs, Review Friday?!
[17:20] <njpatel> jcastro has basically made every day Review day! :)
[17:20] <cdbs> njpatel: Didn't we plan these at the UDS sesson?
[17:20] <jcastro> YEAH!
[17:20] <jcastro> the day is monday though, just needed to clear the backlog
[17:20] <njpatel> cdbs, Review Monday was what we did in the session
[17:21] <njpatel> cdbs, but we did Review Tuesday this week as Monday was holiday in US and UK
[17:21] <njpatel> cdbs, okay, so I'll make sure your branch lands. that's one more ticked off the list! :)
[17:22] <cdbs> njpatel: No big hurry, any case, how many SRUs more before work starts to get Unity running well on Oneiric?
[17:22] <njpatel> cdbs, things are still flying in so I think we should do another SRU round next week, and then slow down a bit and concentrate on O
[17:22] <njpatel> Will speak to didrocks about it
[17:22] <njpatel> who seems to be striking again
[17:23] <jcastro> [bilalakhtar] Decide on the milestones of the Papercuts project for the Oneiric cycle: TODO
[17:23] <jcastro> [njpatel] milestone bitesize bugs: TODO
[17:23] <jcastro> FYI guys
[17:23] <cdbs> hmm yeah
[17:23] <njpatel> isn't that an on-going thing jcastro ?
[17:23] <cdbs> weekend task
[17:24] <jcastro> njpatel: I dunno, I don't recall if you wanted to just check them all at the beginning of the cycle or what
[17:24] <dcordes> #
[17:24] <jcastro> it's filed for A1, so maybe that's what you meant?
[17:24] <njpatel> that sounds like something I'd do
[17:25] <njpatel> yeah, okay, will try and get it done
[17:25] <njpatel> I can't believe A1 has happened already
[17:25] <njpatel> there's too much to do
[17:25] <jcastro> njpatel: want me to move it to A2?
[17:26] <njpatel> please
[17:26] <njpatel> have a good weekend all
[19:01] <jcastro> Nafai: your post on the quicklists should be on ayatana-dev, not ayatana.
[19:01] <jcastro> ayatana is like design discussion, ayatana-dev is where the DX team answers tech questions.
[19:03] <Nafai> doh
[19:03] <Nafai> :(
[19:04] <Nafai> thanks.  should I re-send it to -dev?
[19:04] <jcastro> yeah if you want DX to look at it
[19:04] <Nafai> ok, thanks for the pointer.
[19:04] <Nafai> sorry for the mis-post
[19:04] <jcastro> my rule of thumb: "discussion on ayatana, real work on ayatana-dev." :)
[19:04] <jcastro> no worries
[19:05] <jcastro> it's dumb that we don't  have "unity" and "unity-dev" imo
[19:09] <Pretto> jcastro: take a look at your pvt please ;)
[19:10] <Andy80> jcastro: yeah! we should have them.... a new developer that aims to contribute to Unity would come to #unity first... he would not imagine #ayatana :)
[19:12] <Nafai> jcastro: thanks again, I think I'm going to take a look at the Opportunities wiki page this weekend and see where I can help
[19:33] <PalinBachman2012> is Windows with Fixed Viewport in Place Windows messed up
[19:44] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hi
[19:44] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[19:45] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, anyone ...
[19:45] <rickspencer3> I just started to try to build unity/nux locally
[19:45] <rickspencer3> following directions here:
[19:45] <rickspencer3> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/28472#28472
[19:45] <rickspencer3> when I tried autogen on nux, I got a package error:
[19:46] <rickspencer3> configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.25.14
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   gdk-pixbuf-2.0
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   gl
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   glew
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   glewmx
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   xxf86vm
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   sigc++-2.0
[19:46] <rickspencer3>                   ) were not met:
[19:46] <rickspencer3> No package 'xxf86vm' found
[19:46] <rickspencer3> jcastro, hey ^
[19:46] <rickspencer3> are these instructions out of date?
[19:46] <kenvandine> sudo apt-get build-dep nux
[19:46] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[19:46] <kenvandine> might find what you need
[19:46] <rickspencer3> I thought I did that
[19:46]  * rickspencer3 tries
[19:46] <jcastro> they were up to date as of a week or so ago, did something change?
[19:46] <rickspencer3> holy crap, I did not
[19:46] <rickspencer3> 491 megs of dependencies!
[19:47] <kenvandine> :)
[19:47]  * jcastro adds some build dep action
[19:47] <rickspencer3> wtf, why do I need to install all this latex goo for nux?
[19:47] <jcastro> I know, I had to do that yesterday
[19:47] <kenvandine> one of the build deps must depend on it
[19:47] <jcastro> it pulled in this like 191mb latex doc package too
[19:47] <kenvandine> actually that would be doxygen
[19:47] <rickspencer3> so, er
[19:47] <rickspencer3> why?
[19:47] <kenvandine> which generates the docs
[19:47] <rickspencer3> 491megs of deps to build documenation?
[19:48] <rickspencer3> whatever
[19:48]  * kenvandine shrugs
[19:49] <rickspencer3> oh well
[19:49]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[19:49] <jcastro> should I just replace the build deps in the instructions with just sudo apt-get build-dep nux unity compiz, etc?
[19:50] <rickspencer3> jcastro, that seems a bit easier
[19:50] <jcastro> because that wants to bring in like, a bunch of KDE stuff
[19:50] <rickspencer3> with a wornign that if you don't have doxygen installed, it'll need 500 megs to download :/
[19:51] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[19:51] <rickspencer3> jcastro, I dunno, whatever you think will get people hacking hte fastest
[19:51] <rickspencer3> I'll take a break while I am downloaded all this extra goo
[19:51] <jcastro> disk is cheap!
[19:52]  * bcurtiswx would grab a cherry coke if he was rickspencer3
[19:52] <maco> jcastro: now that i have acquired a 500GB disk for my laptop, i agree!
[19:53] <maco> now i can let my pbuilder cache go crazy
[19:53] <bcurtiswx> pbuilder would be nice if i didn't have to DL all deps :P
[19:53] <bcurtiswx> every time
[19:53] <jcastro> squid-deb-proxy bro!
[19:54] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, what jcastro said :)
[19:54] <Nafai> Hey rickspencer3, kenvandine!
[19:54] <kenvandine> itrocks
[19:54] <kenvandine> it rocks
[19:54] <kenvandine> hey Nafai
[19:54] <rickspencer3> hi Nafai!
[19:54] <Nafai> kenvandine: over the ubupneunomia?
[19:54] <Nafai> jpw
[19:54] <Nafai> er
[19:54] <Nafai> how's it going guys?
[19:54] <kenvandine> Nafai, mostly
[19:54] <Nafai> good!
[19:55] <hicham> hi kenvandine
[19:55] <maco> bcurtiswx: in theory the default is to cache
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> jcastro, sicne i dont' know about squid-deb-proxy got a how-to/wiki for it?
[19:56] <jcastro> rickspencer3: you can always submit an edit to the answer if it's wrong and someone will check it and approve it. Regardless I've asked htorque to take a look at the dependencies again.
[19:56] <rickspencer3> hey jcastro
[19:56] <rickspencer3> no thanks, I don't have the confidence
[19:56] <jcastro> bcurtiswx: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan
[19:56] <maco> bcurtiswx: /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache/
[19:56]  * rickspencer3 steps away
[19:56] <maco> bcurtiswx: in theory the stuff you download stays there
[19:56] <bcurtiswx> jcastro, thx
[19:57] <Nafai> it seems like when I built unity/nux last week there was something missing from that list, but I forget :(
[19:57] <maco> i havent tested the manpage's claim yet
[20:02] <hicham> DBO: when bamf will start being ported to the glib matching api ?
[20:02] <DBO> yesterday
[20:02] <DBO> (seriously)
[20:05] <hicham> DBO: ?
[20:05] <hicham> DBO: sorry, I didn't understand what you just said
[20:05] <DBO> i started working on a simple port yesterday
[20:05] <hicham> great news
[20:05] <hicham> DBO: can I find it somewhere ?
[20:06] <hicham> DBO: so that I can see if mozilla apps will be correctly matched
[20:10] <jcastro> rickspencer3: I've sent a mail to the DX team asking them to give the document a run through.
[20:10] <jcastro> Also CCed didrocks, maybe there's a way to tighten up the build deps to be not so massive
[20:13] <DBO> hicham, not yet, it doesn't work yet
[20:14] <hicham> DBO: thanks
[20:53] <evaluate> Hello.
[20:53] <rickspencer3> re
[20:53] <evaluate> Any idea why I get these strange errors when trying to build libappindicator on Debian: http://rspwn.com/debian/libappindicator_0.3.0-1_amd64.build ?
[20:55] <evaluate> This is the first time I try this, so if I am doing something awfully wrong I am sorry, I was just curios as to why libappindicator isn't included in Debian yet and thought about helping out...
[20:56] <rickspencer3> hi evaluate
[20:57] <rickspencer3> nice nick btw
[20:57] <evaluate> Thanks! :-)
[20:57] <rickspencer3> I can't answer your question, but wanted to give you a heads up that it's late(ish) on Friday evening
[20:57] <rickspencer3> so, don't feel blown off if you don
[20:57] <rickspencer3> 't get an anwer right away
[20:57] <evaluate> It's late on Friday evening here too...
[20:58] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:58] <rickspencer3> jcastro, anyone around who would be able to look at this for evaluate
[20:58] <rickspencer3> ?
[21:04] <jcastro> yep one sec
[21:04] <jcastro> tedg: kenvandine?
[21:04] <tedg> jcastro, He rocks.
[21:05] <jcastro> tedg: can you give evaluate a hand?
[21:05] <jcastro> though this sounds more of a kenish problem
[21:05] <tedg> Yeah, probably, but I can look.
[21:06] <tedg> These are build-deps problems:
[21:06] <tedg> No package 'indicator3' found
[21:06] <tedg> No package 'dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4' found
[21:07] <tedg> The updated versions of those packages should have those pkgconfig files.
[21:07] <evaluate> Just out of curiosity, does the libindicator require some GTK patches or anyting like that, or *should* it normally work?
[21:08] <tedg> Otherwise it looks like vapigen and gobject-introspection are fighting.  And that is a kenvandine question.
[21:08] <tedg> evaluate, libindicator should be fine, appmenu-gtk does need some GTK patches.
[21:08] <evaluate> I see.
[21:09] <jcastro> evaluate: if he's not around in a bit here's the right mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-dev
[21:09] <evaluate> Hmm, I can find libindicator3 in Debian, but dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4 doesn't seem to be available. I wonder why.
[21:09] <kenvandine> evaluate, do you have libindicator3-dev installed?
[21:10] <kenvandine> and libdbusmenu-gtk3-dev
[21:10] <tedg> evaluate, They might not be updated to the latest versions that dual build for GTK2/3?
[21:10] <kenvandine> ah
[21:11] <evaluate> kenvandine, those two packages don't seem to be available either (at least not in the normal repositories)
[21:11]  * evaluate does some googling
[21:18] <evaluate> Thanks for the help for now, I'll try getting those 2 packages installed and come back if I still have questions. :-)
[21:18] <evaluate> s/2/3/
[21:29] <evaluate> kenvandine, hmm, these packages seem to have other names in Debian, but I had them installed already.
[21:30] <kenvandine> what names?
[21:31] <evaluate> For example libdbusmenu-gtk3-dev seems to be libdbusmenu-gtk3 in Debian.
[21:32] <kenvandine> no, that would be the library
[21:32] <kenvandine> but not the dev package
[21:33] <Viper550> so I noticed you're using GTK3 stuff now?
[21:34] <evaluate> kenvandine, I'd guess the dev package would be libdbusmenu-gtk-dev
[21:34] <kenvandine> should be  libdbusmenu-gtk3-dev
[21:34] <Viper550> but what I want to know is, who is in charge with porting the theme?
[21:36] <evaluate> kenvandine, are these ubuntu packages packaged directly from upstream or synched/merged from Debian?
[21:36] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, should I be hacking on unity trunk or on "https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/branch-3.0" ?
[21:37] <kenvandine> evaluate, ubuntu is upstream, but the debian pkg-ayatana team has been working on them in debian
[21:37] <kenvandine> looks like the gtk3 builds in debian are commented out of their package
[21:37] <kenvandine> libdbusmenu-gtk3 is the gtk2 build, libdbusmenu-gtk3-3 is the gtk3 build
[21:38] <kenvandine> and libdbusmenu-gtk-3-dev is the gtk3 dev package
[21:38] <kenvandine> but those aren't built in debian
[21:38] <kenvandine> not sure why
[21:38] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, humm
[21:38] <rickspencer3> I ask because trunk doesn;t build and was just updated 4 hours ago :(
[21:38] <evaluate> kenvandine, I see. I guess I'll best talk to the debian-ayatana guys then. Thanks again for your help!
[21:39] <kenvandine> sorry... let us know if we can help more
[21:39] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i suspect the 3.0 branch is what is in natty
[21:39] <rickspencer3> ok
[21:40] <rickspencer3> I'm starting with that, it seems to be building
[21:40] <kenvandine> ok
[21:40] <kenvandine> trunk should still be buildable though...
[21:40] <rickspencer3> "should be"
[21:40] <rickspencer3> Friday afternoon, though :)
[21:40] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[21:41] <rickspencer3> oh fudge
[21:41] <rickspencer3> I never did make install with the new nux
[21:41] <rickspencer3> maybe that was the problem
[21:42] <kenvandine> ah
[21:47] <rickspencer3> I have a sketchy feeling about this :)
[21:47]  * rickspencer3 tries out newly built unity
[21:49] <kenvandine> work?
[21:50] <htorque> rickspencer3: hi, could you build nux? this failed for me yesterday.
[21:50] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, well, I can't tell yet ;)
[21:50] <rickspencer3> htorque, nux did build for me
[21:51] <rickspencer3> I built nux from trunk, and I built unity/compiz from the 3.0 branch
[21:51] <htorque> rickspencer3: maybe another gcc 4.6 problem (i'm on oneiric)
[21:51] <rickspencer3> htorque, I see, I'm still on Natty
[21:51] <rickspencer3> "still"
[22:12] <evaluate> kenvandine, this is with the gtk3 libs enables in control and rules: http://rspwn.com/debian/libdbusmenu_0.4.3-1_amd64.build
[22:12] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[22:13] <rickspencer3> I can now break the launcher and run my private broken launcher!
[22:13] <evaluate> Am I right in the assumption that I'm missing the gtk-3.0 headers?
[22:13] <evaluate> rickspencer3, lol
[22:27] <rickspencer3> jcastro, kenvandine hey, do either of you know if there is some kind of overview of the unity codebase to help a sucker like me get oriented?
[22:29] <htorque> how would i build unity w/o documentation? configuration fails without doxygen installed (which shouldn't happen according to https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/unity.optional-doxygen/+merge/62712)
[22:48] <marekw2143> hello
[22:49] <marekw2143> I'd like to write application that would do things similar to those which happen after pressing super + w
[22:49] <marekw2143> where can I find some api of unity and (the best) source code of function that is launched after pressing super + w ?
[23:25] <jcastro> rickspencer3: there is no overview, njpatel has a work item this cycle to make one (with a diagram, etc.)
[23:25] <rickspencer3> jcastro, thanks
[23:25] <rickspencer3> tbh, even a comment here and there would be nice
[23:25]  * jcastro nods
[23:25] <jcastro> I would even settle for a diagram
[23:26] <hicham> hi jcastro
[23:26] <hicham> jcastro: what part do you take care of in unity ?
[23:27] <jcastro> hicham: I connect people mostly
[23:27] <jcastro> hicham: and odd jobs. :)
[23:28] <hicham> jcastro: what is the nick of nux developer ?
[23:29] <jcastro> you're looking for jaytaoko
[23:29] <jcastro> but I think he's on weekend duty already
[23:32] <jcastro> Home of Unity and Ayatana || http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana || Bitesize Bugs you can help with: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb || Not getting an answer? Post on the https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-dev mailing list
[23:32] <jcastro> whoops
[23:37] <czajkowski> jcastro: what do you need doing
[23:37] <hicham> thanks jcastro
[23:38] <jcastro> czajkowski: I need "Not getting an answer? Post on the https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-dev mailing list" this tacked onto the topic
[23:38] <czajkowski> ta da
[23:39] <czajkowski> :)
[23:39] <jcastro> did you /topic? that didn't work for me
[23:39] <czajkowski> yup
[23:39] <jcastro> hmm, maybe I'm not in the cool club or something
[23:39] <jcastro> thanks!
[23:39] <czajkowski> now back to my day of being off line
[23:39] <czajkowski> jcastro: no bother :)


[12:15] <Yohanan> hi i need a bit of help
[12:15] <Yohanan> is there any driver for my interface? steinberg ur 22mk2
[12:26] <yohanan> any drivers for ur22 mk2
[12:26] <yohanan> ?
[13:09] <yohanan> any drivers for steinberg ur22 mk2?


[13:56] <daftykins> volume warning: i'm at it again, this time i've made music from a PSU fan repair! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehoV-1MjpcA
[13:58] <zxmpi> nothing like a squeaky part to make computing a dysstopian nightmare :-)
[13:58] <daftykins> :D
[13:59] <zxmpi> i'll just turn on the dot matrix printer to drown it out :-D
[13:59] <daftykins> it was doing something truly horrid inside
[14:00] <zxmpi> i still think the worst noise i ever heard from a pc was when my soundblaster card thought the packets on the network card were sound instructions. like a dolphin a blender
[15:42] <daftykins> the lads working on my lane outside, digging it up etc, say the new electrical cable going in is worth £140/m
[15:42] <daftykins> oh i don't think i've shared the comedy in here, they're digging trenches the whole way so all week i've had to be funneled either to walk up or down to avoid them - check before i step out when i open the front door and so on
[15:44] <zxmpi> what time does the drilling start and end?
[15:45] <daftykins> 8am, best alarm clock ever... then it comes in bouts
[15:46] <daftykins> funniest bit is they don't have enough room to get into my meter cupboard which is internal... so a diamond drilling fella is booked in for Tuesday to come and put a hole through my 5+ feet thick 17th century granite front wall
[15:47] <zxmpi> when my father removed a back window to put in a new back door that also let more light into a room it was a 'half days job' that took 3 days to dig through the granite rubble that made up the wall
[15:48] <daftykins> :D
[20:24] <penguin42> are they moving the meter as well?
[20:25] <penguin42> (Our meter is in the garage)
[20:42] <daftykins> nah no choice here, right on a public lane in the centre of town... has to stay in my inside cupboard
[20:47] <penguin42> and what stops them taking the new cable the same route as the existing one?
[20:48] <daftykins> it winds around in a curve wrapping around the existing services like gas and water
[20:48] <daftykins> and right up against one of those ye olde worlde brick stacks for joining services
[20:48] <daftykins> sec let me pop some of my snaps on a public place
[20:49] <zxmpi> they replaced out meters a few years back with smart ones. they still call round to the building but don't need access to the meter to read it
[20:50] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/a/suumubl
[20:50] <zxmpi> the water meters they installed are smart as well but use 2g to send data in aiui. but will need to be replaced soon as the batteries are wearing out
[20:50] <daftykins> surely there will be no 2G before long!
[20:57] <zxmpi> it might have been 3g. was a few years back during the massive protests about charging people in ireland for water
[20:57] <zxmpi> but it was already a 'isn't this gonna be shut off soon as it's installed moment'
[20:58] <zxmpi> my nokia 3310 uses '2.5g' which may or may not be 3g dialled back to 2g speeds. was a lot of unsure geeks when that came out
[20:59] <daftykins> mmm
[20:59] <zxmpi> and that phone is 6 this year and still going strong. bought a case for it today but it doesn't fit as there's more than one 3310 model from 2017
[21:00] <daftykins> i think 3G is on the chopping block too
[21:00] <zxmpi> i think the phone companies want it dead but the regulator is more people still use it so no at the moment, at least here in ireland
[21:01] <zxmpi> we're only just shutting down longwave for radio as the parts are no longer available. and people in uk and further afield are complaining to our state broadcaster
[21:03] <daftykins> hrmm they want it?
[21:04] <zxmpi> https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0331/1367393-long-wave/
[21:05] <zxmpi> a lot of elderly irish folk in uk still listening on their wireless sets. was to shut down in 2014 but got delayed. leccy prices pushed it over the edge this year
[21:07] <daftykins> oh so the UK aren't trying to get Ireland to keep it, but can it sooner?
[21:08] <zxmpi> uk are not involved. irish folk in uk want long wave to keep going. irish state broadcaster wants to shut down some really old hardware that costs a bomb to run and maintain
[21:08] <zxmpi> bbc long wave had same issue iirc. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
[21:09] <daftykins> oh gotcha, sorry misread there
[21:11] <zxmpi> of course all the cool iphones can't even receive fm radio so they have to waste bandwidth to listen to internet radio
[21:12] <zxmpi> my dumb nokia and android phones do fm radio ok if a little hungry on battery on android
[22:54] <penguin42> the high power transmitting valves must be tricky
[23:00] <penguin42> still, if they need RF converters or T's I can help; https://cdn.mastodon.org.uk/media_attachments/files/110/232/428/687/836/979/original/64259d080ce79c06.jpeg
[23:03] <daftykins> :D


 I don't see anything
[18:24] <elfy> http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/02/plan-ubuntu-global-jam-testing-event.html?showComment=1396592167476#c8278311463483303228
[18:24] <elfy> comments on that
[18:24] <elfy> showing up in tbird against your blog
[18:25] <balloons> removed.. anything elsE?
[18:26] <elfy> did you get 2?
[18:26] <elfy> if so that was all :)
[18:26] <balloons> I grabbed 2 this morning, but it wasn't on that post
[18:27] <elfy> they're the only 2 I saw
[18:27] <balloons> I don't moderate any comments, but I don't get a ton usually
[18:28] <elfy> :)
[18:28] <elfy> forum never used to insist people confirmed their accounts ... awesome :|
[18:29] <elfy> it did shortly after I found that turned off
[18:30] <elfy> s/and
[18:30] <balloons> heh.. yea, makes it slightly harder to spam, which is enough
[18:30] <elfy> yea