[12:00] <flankk> the startup time with fluxbox from the repos is -very- slow.. even slower than gnome startup..
[12:00] <Tatster> Not yet, but I can have
[12:00] <paulproteus> You'll need it.  The easiest way to get it is with wget, in my opinion.
[12:01] <paulproteus> Just do "wget <that URL>" on the command line, and the patch will be downloaded to the current directory.
[12:01] <Eni_> I have Nokia 447Iplus monitor, google says it has 30.0-72.0 horizontal sync and 50.0-150.0 vertical refresh. I have added those manually and x wont start. I have tried different values. What can i do?
[12:01] <paulproteus> Once you've done that, do "patch -p1 < /absolute/path/to/gallery.mambo.sef.patch" in the gallery directory.
[12:02] <wolverian> Eni_: did X start without adding those?
[12:02] <paulproteus> Eni_: Try commenting out the lines about the horizsync and vertsync.
[12:02] <Eni_> wolverian No.
[12:03] <wolverian> Eni_: did the lines exist, with other values, before? try commenting them out entirely if so.
[12:03] <Eni_> Hmm, i was wrong, x started, but the picture was blurry and "shaking"
[12:04] <Miks> how can i lock my DNS values in the "/etc/resolv.conf", they get erased everytime i restat my comp
[12:04] <paulproteus> Eni_: When that happened to me on my other monitor, the monitor was dying.  It had just started making loud noises when I turned it on.
[12:04] <Seveaz> miks, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:04] <paulproteus> Tatster: So far, you've been very good about providing concise, precise answers to my questions so I can help you.  Good job. :)
[12:04] <Miks> but im not using dhcp3
[12:05] <Eni_> paulproteus hmm, monitor is few years old.
[12:05] <resiak> Miks: I think it's pump or something like that.
[12:05] <Miks> ye ai have pump
[12:05] <cion> hey newbie on ubuntu here
[12:05] <paulproteus> Miks: Does your computer automatically configure its IP address?  By default, it uses dhcp3 not pump.
[12:05] <Seveaz> Miks, well, if you don't use dhcp but static ip-addresses on *every* card, then it should not be rewritten...
[12:05] <cion> how do i uninstall rssowl?
[12:05] <Tatster> Thanks, paulproteus
[12:05] <Eni_> well, i gotta go to other room and check it out
[12:05] <cyrain> Seveaz, it's ok
[12:05] <paulproteus> cion: Have you tried using Synaptic?
[12:05] <cyrain> I've got to manually enter all commands in the suoders file
[12:06] <paulproteus> cion: Basically, how did you install it?  Just do the opposite. ;)
[12:06] <Miks> no..it doesnt gets the ip automatically
[12:06] <Seveas> cyrain, or just use ALL
[12:06] <cyrain> that would make me a kind of root :(
[12:06] <paulproteus> Miks: Oh, interesting.  In /etc/network/interfaces, is there any mention of DHCP?
[12:06] <cion> mmm i just followed a guide
[12:06] <Tatster> paulproteus - your advice was spot on, thanks.
[12:06] <cion> what do u mean by doing the opposite?
[12:06] <resiak> Miks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.
[12:07] <Miks> well..i removed the dhcp because i was having a super slow DNS lookup issue
[12:07] <paulproteus> Tatster: Okay, so you've successfully done it?  Great. :)
[12:07] <Seveas> Miks, in firefox only..?
[12:07] <paulproteus> Tatster: I'd suggest moving the patch out of the gallery directory, if it's still in there; feel free to delete if you don't think you'll need to re-apply it later.
[12:07] <Miks> no...in any attempt of contact with the net
[12:07] <Miks> internet
[12:07] <paulproteus> (Or if you think you can just redownload it in the future if you will.)
[12:08] <paulproteus> Miks: I know what you mean.  This is usually caused by buggy DNS servers that respond badly to Ubuntu's default IPv6 configuration.
[12:08] <radim1> hi, can anyone help me? i've just installed ubuntu and need video codecs to play avi. where i can find them? thx
[12:08] <Miks> yea...it used to work all fine and suddenly this started to happen
[12:08] <Seveas> radim1: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:09] <cyrain> Seveas, thank you !
[12:09] <radim1> thx
[12:09] <cyrain> got to go to bed :)
[12:09] <cion> how do I uninstall on ubuntu?
[12:09] <caonex> My ubuntu is freezing after a while, I think it has to do with a hardware/bios problem, but I cannot retrieve enough info to help me determine what exactly is happening with syslog, messages, nor dmesg, any other suggestions for log files i can look at? Oh, and the log file for x.org just says that there was seg fault and to contact the xorg team.
[12:09] <cyrain> good evening everyone
[12:09] <Miks> anyway...now it works excellent...the only issue is that i have to setup the net everytime i restart my comp because the resolv.conf values get erased
[12:09] <Miks> i want to lock em
[12:09] <paulproteus> caonex: Laptop or desktop?
[12:09] <Seveas> cion, with the package manager...
[12:09] <resiak> Miks: I JUST TOLD YOU
[12:09] <paulproteus> caonex: Have you tried running the memtest86 memory tester?
[12:09] <resiak> 23:06           resiak : Miks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.
[12:09] <Miks> okay, thanks.. sorry :P
[12:09] <caonex> paulproteus, desktop
[12:10] <Miks> i can remove it from synaptic right? just look for the package and reomve
[12:10] <Seveas> caonex, hmm, segfault in X... Have you run memtest yet?
[12:10] <caonex> paulproteus, yeah i did, it kept going and i did not know what it ws doing.
[12:10] <paulproteus> Ah, okay. :)
[12:10] <paulproteus> caonex: It runs through a long list of tests.
[12:10] <caonex> Seveas, yeah i have run it, it looks like it was doing ok, though, paulproteus
[12:10] <paulproteus> caonex: It has a place where it says how many times it's run the whole test suite.
[12:11] <paulproteus> And it has a place where it lists errors.  Did you manage to let it go for one full run of the test suite?  Did it say there were any errors?
[12:11] <caonex> paulproteus, so how would that help me?
[12:11] <Seveas> caonex, anda  place where it will tell you whether it has found an error :)
[12:11] <gorthaug> hi
[12:11] <caonex> Seveas, that is just not for memory errors, then?
[12:11] <Seveas> caonex, well, X segfaults are so rare, that they are usually caused by bad memory
[12:11] <paulproteus> caonex: Well, two things.  If you have RAM errors, you can either (1) return the RAM, or (2) patch your Linux kernel to never touch those areas of memory.  This patch is called "the BadMEM patch".
[12:11] <Miks> lets see if it works
[12:11] <Seveas> and memtest will tell you whether your memory is bad
[12:12] <caonex> Seveas, let me go right to it then...
[12:12] <honor> Hello all
[12:12] <paulproteus> I'm outta here, all.  Buh-bye. :)
[12:12] <Seveas> 'navond honor
[12:12] <gorthaug> i've a problem with gnome and the starters it's now are starter's_name.desktop and don't run the app
[12:12] <caonex> Seveas, paulproteus, so it will run n tests and tell me if there is an error?
[12:12] <Seveas> caonex, yes
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, cool, be back later and I appreciate your help
[12:13] <Seveas> caonex, but you will want to interrupt after an hour or so, the complete test suite will take VERY long
[12:13] <Seveas> and errors usually are found on the first runs
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, so it will tell me, up to the time if it has seen any errors
[12:13] <Seveas> yes
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, so how long should i wait?
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, never mind you just said an hour
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, ;)
[12:14] <nemik> how would i disable the power management in server installation? the monitor always shuts off
[12:14] <Seveas> :)
[12:14] <caonex> Seveas, my bad for not reading, hehe well i will see you later then
[12:14] <Seveas> cya!
[12:14] <caonex> bye
[12:14] <cion> thanks to all
[12:14] <cion> sorry
[12:15] <gorthaug> anybody can help me??
[12:15] <Seveas> gorthaug, maybe, if you can be a bit more descriptive...
[12:15] <honor> I've got a little question for you gurus I'm a newbie with linux and now I want to change my windows partition to ext2 and mount it does anyone has a good url for me?
[12:16] <gorthaug> the starters are now starter.desktop and don't run the app....
[12:16] <Miks> i removed PUMP but still my /etc/resolv.conf file got blanked after the restar
[12:16] <Seveas> honor, you know that if you change it to ext2, you will lose all data?
[12:16] <Seveas> gorthaug, sorry, but I don't understand at all what you mean...
[12:16] <honor> Yes I know I backuped al data on another machine
[12:16] <kdp> wait...does windows run on ext2?
[12:17] <parabolize> no
[12:17] <Seveas> honor, and you know that windows cannot use ext2?
[12:17] <kdp> i thought it only runs on ntfs/fat
[12:17] <gorthaug> yes my english is very poor...
[12:17] <kdp> aha.
[12:17] <Seveas> gorthaug, what is your native language?
[12:17] <honor> I know I want to drop widnows 4ever :)
[12:17] <Seveas> ok honor :)
[12:17] <aigarius> honor: then you can use cfdisk to change the partition type to Linux (82) and then use mkfs.ext2
[12:17] <Dj_AlTeK> hey seveas
[12:17] <Seveas> honor, then simply do mkfs.ext2 /dev/YOUR_DISK
[12:18] <ogge> now ive defragged the disk :)
[12:18] <Seveas> ah, good one aigarius :)
[12:18] <aigarius> honor: I would recommend to use ext3 or reiserfs
[12:18] <ogge> do you recommend to defrag a few more times, before resize the ntfs partition,
[12:18] <ogge> ?
[12:18] <Seveas> ogge, no, not needed
[12:19] <phaedrus44> ne1 here ever try mepis?...
[12:19] <honor> Is it possible to resise my existing ext partition without losing data?
[12:19] <honor> brb
[12:20] <ogge> Seveas, ok.
[12:20] <aigarius> honor: yes, but it is not 100% safe
[12:20] <gorthaug> jejeje google says that i want to say that: the starters have happened to be called starter.desktop and they do not initiate the applications
[12:20] <jsimmons> how do i change the font in the windows (titlebar and menu)?
[12:20] <Heimdall> re
[12:21] <Seveas> jsimmons, system->preferences->font perhaps
[12:21] <LinuxJones> jsimmons,  System >> Preferences >> Font
[12:21] <jsimmons> (slaps head
[12:21] <aigarius> will the Ubuntu people, that are responsible for the Google's Summer of Code, be at the Debconf?
[12:21] <Seveas> gorthaug, that does not make it any more readable?
[12:22] <Seveas> gorthaug, Espaol..?
[12:22] <gorthaug> yes
[12:22] <Seveas> gorthaug, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol :)
[12:22] <ironmc> printer problem - I have a hp psc2110 (which I have used with Mandrake and SuSe) - foomatic installed, cups installed, hp ppd files installed - no printing - any ideas??
[12:23] <gorthaug> nobody have answers for my question in ubuntu-es
[12:23] <jsimmons> do i have to restart x to see the changes?
[12:23] <Seveas> gorthaug, maybe there is someone there who can translate it a bit better
[12:23] <diego> i speak spanish
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ironmc, you set it up using gnome-cups-manager ?
[12:23] <diego> what do you guys need?
[12:23] <nikkia> diego, you do? i have a question for you too :P
[12:24] <diego> heh, oook
[12:24] <Seveas> diego, can you help gorthaug, his english is very poor, I did not understand the problem
[12:24] <ironmc> used system>admin>printing
[12:24] <nikkia> diego, does it make sense in spanish to shorten the word 'Transversal' to 'Trans.' ?
[12:25] <diego> nikkia: heh, can't help you there. i never learned to read or write
[12:25] <ttyS0> what is aclocal
[12:25] <nikkia> diego, i'm working on a spanish product, and don't have enough display space for Transversal, but thats what the translators gave me :/
[12:25] <nikkia> diego, ummm how are you managing to use irc then ?
[12:25] <pfp> Seveas: i think he means that some launcher (icon)s appear as iconname.desktop, and fail to launch anything
[12:25] <pfp> ;)
[12:26] <Seveas> pfp, yeah, but what he means with that?!?
[12:26] <diego> nikkia: i know how to read and write in english asshat...i don't know spelling/grammar in spanish though
[12:27] <nikkia> diego, heh, ok
[12:27] <diego> he's saying that all his launchers are now named Azureus.desktop, etc, and when he clicks on them they ask him if he wants to execute or display them
[12:28] <diego> sounds to me like they got chmod'd +x?
[12:28] <Seveas> indeed
[12:28] <diego> if he executes them, they do nothing
[12:28] <Seveas> but clicking on .desktop files..?
[12:28] <ironmc> LinuxJones  I used system>admin>printing
[12:28] <Seveas> they should be in /usr/share/somewhare and make up the menu
[12:28] <honor> which one is ext3 in cfdisk?
[12:28] <Seveas> clicking on .desktop files will not work as far as i know...
[12:29] <pfp> honor: 83 (same as ext2)
[12:29] <honor> thx
[12:29] <jo> amsn: Depends: sox but it is not installable
[12:29] <jo>  ?
[12:30] <Seveas> oh, how nice
[12:30] <diego> he says all his icons (that start programs?) have disappeared
[12:30] <Seveas> that does work :)
[12:30] <nikkia> technically, linux doesn't really care, i managed to go nearly 4 years before i noticed i had my / on a partition marked as FAT12
[12:30] <Seveas> diego, hmm, I think he messed around with a few things
[12:30] <LinuxJones> ironmc, can you print a testpage ?
[12:30] <Seveas> like deleting stuff from /usr/share/applications
[12:31] <diego> Seveas: where exactly are the .desktop icons?
[12:31] <Seveas> or chmod -R on something...
[12:31] <diego> he says his menu works though
[12:31] <diego> s/icons/files/
[12:31] <ender_> asd
[12:31] <Seveas> diego, look at /usr/share/applications :)
[12:31] <john_> i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?
[12:31] <Seveas> .desktop files are menu entries and program launchers
[12:31] <jo> hm Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:31] <ender_> anyone know how to apt-get gtk+ ?
[12:31] <Seveas> they should *not* be executable
[12:31] <Seveas> jo, install libglib-2.0-dev oslt
[12:32] <diego> oh ok, just his desktop's icons are f**ked
[12:32] <Seveas> ender_, gtk+ is on your system...
[12:32] <Seveas> diego, ah :)
[12:32] <diego> his menu and the icons on the toolbars work
[12:32] <Seveas> If it's only on the desktop, let him paste the output of ls -al ~/Desktop on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:33] <jo>  Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-dev
[12:33] <Seveas> jo, then use apt-cache search glib | grep dev
[12:33] <brentdax> Is there a way to change the audio channel the "volume up" and "volume down" keyboard shortcuts control?  I have a 5.1 setup, and "Master" only controls the front speakers.
[12:33] <Seveas> brentdax, afaik not unfortunately :(
[12:34] <ender_> Seveas:  what about "gdk-pixbuf" and "wget" ?
[12:34] <brentdax> Damn.  Thanks anyway.
[12:34] <honor> ok I have my partition now but it says it's a swap and there is no option to give it a label?
[12:34] <Seveas> ender_, use apt-cache search and apt-get install....
[12:34] <muttDC> hello, have a question about giFT, trying to install the plugin of ares... and how can i know where is the file "libgift.pc"?
[12:34] <Seveas> honor, then you gave it the bad partition type
[12:34] <selinium> Hi all, for some reason my cd drives are not working, were fine. I cannot see any drive in /dev .... Help! :)
[12:35] <honor> i gave it 82
[12:35] <Seveas> honor, it should be 83
[12:35] <ender_> should I sudo while running apt-get?
[12:35] <Seveas> ender_, yes
[12:35] <selinium> ender_ yep
[12:35] <ironmc> LinuxJones  no and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before
[12:35] <john_> anyone?
[12:35] <ender_> thx
[12:35] <selinium> john_ ? just got here
[12:35] <Seveas> restart after messing around with vesafb...
[12:35] <john_> i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?
[12:36] <diego> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/250
[12:36] <selinium> sorry john_ above my head! :)
[12:37] <diego> should i tell him to `chmod -x *.desktop` ?
[12:37] <honor> ok Seveas but still no /
[12:37] <Seveas> diego, yes, definitely
[12:37] <john_> x gets screen res from xorg.conf, right?
[12:37] <Seveas> john_, yes, but messing around with vesafb might require a restart iirc
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> john_ : yeh
[12:38] <john_> ok.  how do i keep vesafb from loading at next boot?
[12:38] <Miks> :(  how can i lock my /etc/resolv.conf values so they wont be blanked everytime i restart the comp?
[12:38] <nemik> how would i disable from terminal the screensaver so the monitor does not turn off?
[12:38] <honor> got it I think :)
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> Miks : it shouldnt blank. but chmod a-w /etc/resolv.conf
[12:39] <Seveas> john_, you might want to add it to the hotplug blacklist, but vesafb should not cause problems (From what you wrote i though that removing it caused the problem)
[12:39] <john_> nope.  i went nuts and added three different *fb modules.  on reboot lsmod showed them all....
[12:39] <achy> Hi, I download a cursor theme, how the heck do i install it?
[12:40] <john_> do you know which file stores loaded modules?
[12:40] <john_> i didn't have a framebuffer previously.
[12:40] <honor> got it I think :)
[12:40] <Miks> and...how could i see some log of the boot in my system? because when it starts i see one "FAILED" but i cant get to read what it is, it loads so fast
[12:40] <jonas747777> any suggestions on howe to make ubuntu make cleaner or more minimalistic? themes, window managers?
[12:40] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: my guess would be that his resolv.conf is getting set to nothing by a bad dhcp return
[12:40] <jonas747777> how
[12:41] <ender_> I'm assuming that I already have gdk-pixbuf, I found this: " This article describes the architecture of GdkPixbuf, the image loading library that will be used in the next major version of GNOME. Older versions of GNOME, as of October 1999, used the Imlib library, which has numerous design limitations. This article also describes the differences between Imlib and GdkPixbuf so that application developers can take these considerations into account when updating
[12:41] <ender_> their applications."
[12:41] <AndrWs> hi guyes , anyone who know of a program which can open a rar. file?
[12:41] <john_> yep.  before this it was at 1024x768
[12:41] <Seveas> achy, use gcursor :)
[12:41] <ep> Problems with fresh kubuntu-desktop install.  Kongueror sometimes list double folder and files and it often crashes (sig11).  I installed this after the kernel update it that has anything to do with it.  Suggestions?
[12:41] <Seveas> ender_, indeed, you have it already...
[12:41] <holycow> AndrWs, sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[12:41] <holycow> then open it up with archiver
[12:41] <ender_> then im ready to install =)
[12:41] <achy> Sorry new to linux, how to use gcursor?
[12:41] <Seveas> AndrWs, unrar-nonfree works better than unrar
[12:41] <diego> Seveas: after taking off the executable flag, he says nautilus now just displays the text contents of the .desktop file
[12:41] <holycow> what Seveas said
[12:42] <fishhead> is reading about building demolition and how 98% of the building materials are recycled now, so cool
[12:42] <Seveas> achy, aptitude installl gcursor
[12:42] <AndrWs> ok , thx
[12:42] <Seveas> diego, then he should fix his .desktop files, they are broken somehow
[12:43] <Seveas> diego, let him paste them on the pastebin
[12:43] <diego> ok
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> brentdax : while you are @ it write me a program that will search for strings that occur most often in a squid proxy log
[12:43] <muttDC> hello, somebody has installed the plugin of ares for giFT on ubuntu? :)
[12:43] <brentdax> Scratch your own itch.  :^P
[12:44] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, wasn't the sort | uniq thing good enough? ;)
[12:44] <diego> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/251
[12:44] <john_> what file lists modules to be loaded?
[12:44] <Seveas> john_, hotplug :)
[12:44] <Epix> i have a USB keyboard. i have the windows drivers. it needs to have a usb to midi driver im guessing. how do i get it to work on linux
[12:44] <john_> so nano -w hotplug and comment out what i don't want?
[12:44] <nikkia> epix, if its a true MIDI USB device, it shouldn't need drivers
[12:45] <nikkia> epix, MIDI IO is a standard USB profile, no drivers should be needed, if it *does* need drivers, then you're probably out of luck
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : yeh but i got hits for logo_blue.jpg and logo_green.jpg .. it should tell me logo occurs often.
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> i block images that i dont need, like company logos..
[12:46] <Seveas> diego, my guess is that there is something wrong with the programs they point to
[12:46] <Seveas> diego, let him check the paths...
[12:46] <diego> Seveas: k
[12:46] <gorthaug> the paths is ok
[12:46] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ahhh, ok, that's gonna be more difficult
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> but your sed thing helped a bunch
[12:47] <Miks> changing the /etc/resolv.conf permissions to read only didnt work...it still gets rewritten everytime i restart the comp
[12:47] <Miks> why?
[12:47] <Seveas> if you want substring statistics of a filename, that will require some programming...
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> making a program based on that list will be much easier already
[12:47] <ep> Is there an alternative to the kubuntu-desktop install like just installing KDE?  The little bit of googling i've done leads me to believe this is not a KDE bug.
[12:47] <resiak> Miks: Did you get rid of pump?
[12:47] <Seveas> ep, kde-base, kde-* (there are a lot of KDE metapackages, see wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaPackages)
[12:47] <diego> Seveas: he says the same thing happens if he drags a .desktop of his menu
[12:47] <Miks> yea resiak
[12:47] <Miks> removed completely
[12:47] <resiak> Miks: Oh, I give up then :)
[12:47] <Miks> :(
[12:47] <diego> off*
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> thing is read array of strings.. sort, compare first letter to all other elements.. comepare first two letters ect.. do a shitload of maths and in the end it should say "logo" is something worth blockin
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, actually, you can try this first...
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, modprobe snd-usb-audio
[12:48] <Eni_> paulproteus i started thinking too that monitor is dying too... when im trying to start X, there are rainbow colors on the screen, and when i go to bios, there are also rainbow colors.
[12:48] <Seveas> diego, maybe he has set an appication to be opened for .desktop files :|
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> will spew useless hits out also..
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, that SHOULD get auto-loaded, but it might not for some reason
[12:48] <diego> Seveas: how do i check that?
[12:48] <Seveas> diego, no idea (yet)
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> but it might catch something i cant by tailin logs
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, snd-usb-audio is the alsa component that should deal with USB MIDI
[12:48] <Epix> nikkia, ok i will do that one sec
[12:49] <Epix> WARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> WARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> FATAL: Error inserting snd_usb_audio (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_usb_audio
[12:49] <diego> Epix: root
[12:49] <Seveas> Epix, DO NOT PASTE in here
[12:49] <nikkia> epix, you have to sudo it :)
[12:49] <diego> lol
[12:49] <Epix> lol
[12:49] <lsuactiafner> Epix : try not to paste
[12:50] <nikkia> epix, i imagine it will present a /dev/seq device but don't hold me to that, i've not used USB MIDI on linux in about 2 years
[12:50] <honor> /dev/hda6       /data               ext3    defaults                          0       2 ???
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia: loaded...
[12:51] <jonas747777> should i download gtk 1.x or 2.x themes?
[12:51] <nikkia> epix, look at the output from dmesg to see if it reports any devices appearing (but don't paste it here :)
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia, i dont see /dev/seq
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia, cat dmesg |xchat :P
[12:52] <Trog|odyt> my install hangs at "configuring the network with DHCP' any ideas?? anyone? anyone?
[12:52] <Kyral> Does your network work?
[12:52] <Trog|odyt> yes netowrk works...
[12:52] <Epix> nikkia, i think that it was found
[12:53] <Trog|odyt> yes dhcp works on 3 other computers
[12:53] <Epix> as a low speed USB device
[12:53] <nikkia> epix, it will be low speed
[12:53] <Seveas> Trog|odyt, is it wireless?
[12:53] <nikkia> epix, you could also take a look through /proc/usb/devices
[12:53] <Trog|odyt> not wireless
[12:53] <nikkia> i mean /proc/bus/usb/devices
[12:53] <Kyral> Try skipping that part and doing it afterward (doesn't work on first shot with me either)
[12:53] <ironmc> LinuxJones  no can't print test page and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before
[12:54] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[12:54] <Trog|odyt> how do I skip that?
[12:54] <Funraiser> Trog|odyt, it works on windows?
[12:54] <Epix> Manufacturer=Evolution Electronics Ltd... Yep
[12:54] <nikkia> epix, there you go
[12:54] <Trog|odyt> network works on solaris and on mandrake
[12:54] <Epix> nikkia, what can i do with it though?
[12:55] <nikkia> epix, should have said it was an evo, i know their keyboards are USB MIDI profile compliant
[12:55] <Trog|odyt> how do i skip the network config page?
[12:55] <nikkia> (they actually make a fuss somewhere on their site about 'you don't need any drivers for windows, mac or linux')
[12:55] <Epix> nikkia, what does that mean for me?
[12:55] <nikkia> epix, it just means you never really need a driver, on any OS that supports USB profiles properly
[12:55] <Kyral> Trog|odyt: Expert Install and just don't select that part
[12:56] <nikkia> epix, it doesn't mean much more than that, really
[12:56] <Trog|odyt> ok thanks
[12:56] <Kyral> Should work :P
[12:57] <nikkia> epix, the next part is to get the device nodes present, although, you might not need them, alsa compliant apps can do IO without the /dev files present
[12:58] <nikkia> epix, they're actually /dev/midi* these days not seq
[12:58] <AndrWs> is it possible that Rhythmbox 0.8.8 can play mp3 files?
[12:58] <nikkia> (and they might be in /dev/snd/midi* instead of /dev)
[12:59] <nalioth> AndrWs: have you enabled universe and multiverse repos?
[01:00] <AndrWs> dont think so
[01:00] <nalioths_dog> AndrWs: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:00] <nalioths_dog> AndrWs: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:01] <nalioth> AndrWs: with those URLs, you can play almost everything you want
[01:01] <AndrWs> om i shall try .. Thx for the help :)
[01:01] <nalioth> AndrWs: thats what we're here for
[01:02] <diego> Seveas: any luck finding anything for gorthaug?
[01:02] <Seveas> diego, not at all :(
[01:02] <gorthaug> :(
[01:03] <diego> he should just f*ck .desktop files altogether and make symlinks heh
[01:03] <Seveas> diego, lol :)
[01:03] <Seveas> my thoughts too
[01:03] <diego> actually i don't think he'd mind that
[01:03] <nalioth> symlinks never fail
[01:04] <Kyral> The desktop should only be for windows and Desklets :D
[01:04] <Trog|odyt> Kyral, expert mode got me past the network config, thanks
[01:04] <Seveas> i'm grep'ing through my .gconf stuff to find something...
[01:04] <Kyral> np
[01:06] <lahbib> salut les mecs
[01:06] <Kyral> Is it bad that I am rather proud that I symlinked my anime HD into my Home Partition for when it gets full it won't look different?
[01:06] <liz4rd> is it just me or are the repos down...
[01:06] <lahbib> ok
[01:06] <diego> Kyral: yes
[01:07] <lahbib> no
[01:08] <rift-> Anyone here use the ATI fglrx drivers and have problems when switching virtual terminals?
[01:08] <nalioth> Kyral: i have no clue what you said, but i've symlinked my hfs+ partition into my homedir
[01:09] <Seveas> rift-, sometimes
[01:09] <rift-> happens to me all the time
[01:09] <rift-> i can't switch to a virtual terminal once x starts
[01:09] <rift-> nor can I restart x
[01:09] <rift-> it hangs
[01:09] <Seveas> the screen gets all messed up, but it restores after several VT changes
[01:10] <rift-> i can't get mine back, i gotta do a hard reset
[01:10] <rift-> kind of frustrating
[01:10] <Kyral> nalioth: Basically my /media/anime is gonna fill up full (160 GBs+ of anime, hell yah). So I made a /anime in my /home (which is about 280 GBs) and symlinked the directories to /media/anime
[01:10] <Seveas> rift-, I can imagine that...
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> Kyral : whats your fav anime?
[01:10] <Seveas> but unfortunately fglrx is closed source, so it cannot be fixed I guess
[01:11] <nalioth> giving you a homedir of (apparently) 440gb
[01:11] <rift-> ya i know
[01:11] <Seveas> file a complaint at ATI :)
[01:11] <rift-> i wish I never took out my nvidia card
[01:11] <rift-> it worked fine
[01:11] <Kyral> lsuactiafner: I'm mainly a Gundam Fanboy, but I am also a sucker for romantic comedies like Ah! My Goddess and Full Metal Panic!
[01:11] <rift-> not to mention the xorg issues now plaguing a lot of distros
[01:11] <diego> Seveas: he's fine with symlinking hehe
[01:11] <jayparadise> so control alt enter turns on sticky keys
[01:11] <jayparadise> i just learned this a la vmware
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> full metal alchemist was cool btw
[01:12] <Kyral> nalioth: No, its so when I start putting anime onto my /home in /anime, I won't have to jump all over the place
[01:12] <Kyral> Full Metal PANIC not Alchemist :P
[01:12] <Kyral> oh, Kenshin > j00
[01:12] <nalioth> Kyral: ok. i symlinked mine to have more space
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> yeh but ALCHEMIST rocked
[01:12] <rift-> Seveas, you have freezing issues with fglrx and xorg ?
[01:12] <rift-> i get complete hangs if I have xorg + fglrx + acpi + apm
[01:12] <Seveas> rift-, no(t yet)
[01:12] <nalioth> Kyral: got a mac OSX install just sittin there (might as well use the HD, right?)
[01:13] <Seveas> rift-, just crappy hibernating
[01:13] <jayparadise> you have an /anime?
[01:13] <ys76> rift-: acpi AND apm?
[01:13] <rift-> i don't even use acpi or apm, so I don't care
[01:13] <rift-> ys76, ya, had to stop both services
[01:13] <Kyral> nalioth: You have OSX? You BASTARD!! :P
[01:13] <jayparadise> snyone eelse have any odd / directories?
[01:14] <nalioth> Kyral: huh? i never use it
[01:14] <jayparadise> i have a /fear and /net
[01:14] <Seveas> jayparadise, /dynamite :)
[01:14] <ys76> rift-: There were some issues when you tried to run both...
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i got /movies and /slackware and /mnt/01 to 10
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:14] <ys76> rift-: Try to rmmod at least the apm module
[01:14] <diego> Seveas: weird, he says not that he reinstalled glade-gnome2 his icons are back
[01:14] <diego> now*
[01:14] <jayparadise> im thining about chaning mountpoints from media to mnt
[01:14] <rift-> ys76, i don't use either, so I just removed both
[01:14] <nalioth> my roomates machine has win_c thru win_m
[01:14] <jayparadise> and using media as MEDIA
[01:15] <Kyral> I like Media
[01:15] <Seveas> diego :|
[01:15] <Seveas> odd...
[01:15] <diego> Seveas: could have been one of glade's dependencies i guess?
[01:15] <jayparadise> my media is cccurrently in ~  but soon to be in ~ftp
[01:15] <Seveas> yeah, perhaps
[01:16] <ys76> rift-: Try to complain at ATIs. They receive lots of emails during the last few days. Hope they change their politics a bit
[01:16] <rift-> ya I should
[01:16] <rift-> i can't believe they would release such a buggy driver
[01:16] <rift-> don't they have a Q/A department?
[01:16] <Seveas> nalioth, I'm shutting down thw 12-cell cluster, cya tommorow :)
[01:16] <zyth> it's ATI, haven't you seen their Linux driver history?
[01:17] <nalioth> Seveas: goin to 1-cell for dormancy and power savings, eh?
[01:17] <nalioth> lol
[01:17] <ys76> rift-: Yes, they do have one, but it's ATI
[01:17] <rift-> it is amazing that ati and nvidia are in two different worls
[01:17] <jayparadise> vmware is instaling winblo$ incredibly slow
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : cell processors?
[01:17] <rift-> *worlds
[01:17] <oo> I got a partition with 1.8 gb free which im planning to install ubuntu minimal on. when I in the installationprogress choose the guided partition tool. It chooses to make the swap partition like 112 mb big. and the other 1.7gb. is the swap partition to small?
[01:17] <oo> got 128 mb ram
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> oo : i think so
[01:17] <diego> Seveas: thanks for the help, though i was only a translator heh. peace
[01:17] <zyth> oo, that's fine
[01:17] <zyth> oo, generally your swap ought to = your ram
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> make it at least double your ram
[01:17] <oo> and where is the missing ~900 mb.?
[01:17] <rift-> i wish bf2 worked on linux
[01:18] <jayparadise> i thought it should be twice
[01:18] <rift-> then I wouldn't need to dual boot
[01:18] <gorthaug> Seveas thanks for all!!
[01:18] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: seveas is an advanced AI running on a 12-Cell cluster
[01:18] <zyth> eh, in my experience, twice your ram is overkill, but whichever :)
[01:18] <jayparadise> yea i htought it was odd too
[01:18] <jayparadise> but i read that somewhere
[01:18] <rift-> i rarely hit swap
[01:18] <rift-> i got 1GB ram
[01:18] <nalioth> oo it needs to be at least equal, and in your case trebel
[01:18] <jayparadise> i wish vmware would use swap
[01:18] <nalioth> zyth: if ya aint got much ram, 3x is good
[01:18] <oo> maybe I dont hit swap either. gonna run xfce4 and some other small, resource-light apps :)
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> lol nalioth
[01:19] <ys76> nalioth: I don't think so. You can run machines without any swap at all...
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> just this afternoon i joked about it
[01:19] <jayparadise> but its using the low mount of ram i have left and going reallly slow yet not slowing linux down
[01:19] <nalioth> ys76: and grow gray hair at the same time
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> ys76 : i ran a 42mb machine with no swap but it couldnt compile a kernel since it ran out of ram
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> and i didnt use -pipe either
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> he needs like 256mb just for firefox
[01:19] <oo> so. 256mb swap is better?
[01:20] <ys76> lsuactiafner: 42MB is not that large today...
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> oo : 246 @ least..
[01:20] <jayparadise> is abundant swap destructive?
[01:20] <oo> got a 700 coppermine celeron (mobile) and 128 mb ram. like L1 cache 64kbyte, and L2 128kbyte.
[01:20] <nalioth> jayparadise: no, just wasteful
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> but around 128*3 would be good, but 4* might make the machine slow, since a swap uses resources
[01:20] <jayparadise> im trying to maximize linux speed  , killing processes and everything
[01:20] <ys76> oo: That's similar to my machine
[01:20] <jayparadise> i dont consider 500 mb wasteful
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> oo : in that case 128*4 cant be bad
[01:21] <nalioth> jayparadise: if it's not used, it's wasteful
[01:21] <jayparadise> when you have 300 gb yet use 20
[01:21] <oo> ys76, oh. what applications u run on it? what window manager?
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : it is til you find yourself needing to use something thats ram intensive
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> course you can add a swap easily using a file and mkswap it.. but thats ugly
[01:21] <oo> just got a 9gb disk drive in my laptop..
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> but on my machine 1G dual drr and 1G swap i have ran out of ram twice
[01:22] <ys76> oo: At the moment I am running FreeBSD with fluxbox, but before that I used Ubuntu...
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> course my loads were in 21 21 21 area
[01:22] <oo> ys76, ok.
[01:22] <jayparadise> lsuactiafner, can you rephrse that "it is till you find soemthing ram intensive"
[01:22] <ys76> lsuactiafner: What did sou do on these mashines?
[01:22] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: ya got em curious, now
[01:23] <ys76> oo: Try to give your machine about 512 MB of swap
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : like if you compile ethereal-0.10.11.tar.bz2
[01:23] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: how bout compiling the gimp?
[01:23] <oo> ok. really need so much? just going to surf, icq/msn and mailing on my ubuntu distro.
[01:23] <jayparadise> i get htat but what are you pretaining to, its destructive when ram is intensive?
[01:23] <Alia25> bah cedega really gets me depressed
[01:23] <oo> maybe a little gimp.
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> ys76 : i encoded 3 dvds, ran firefox @ -3 with 100+ tabs open, had mp3s playing and was jumpin consoles ect
[01:23] <nalioth> oo at LEAST 2x your physical ram
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster runs @ nice -10
[01:24] <nalioth> oo: any gimp, 3x
[01:24] <oo> ok.
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> and i was compilin shit
[01:24] <jayparadise> see nalioth uses 2x ram too
[01:24] <nalioth> oo: and buy more physical ram (gimp eats it up quickly)
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> thing is, if you run out of swap and ram, oom-killer kicks in, thats ugly
[01:24] <nalioth> jayparadise: huh? not me, i have 1x
[01:24] <jayparadise>   o
[01:24] <ys76> lsuactiafner: I got that with a process that was leaking memory...
[01:24] <jayparadise> so lsuactiafner , more swap = better?
[01:25] <nalioth> jayparadise: i have 640mb on a G3/600 ibook + 640mb swap
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> yeh around twice your ram
[01:25] <jayparadise> if ur running heavy stuff
[01:25] <jayparadise> like i am now
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> since the kernel also over commits
[01:25] <jayparadise> yea mines 1.2 gb
[01:25] <jayparadise> do the math to fin my ramsize
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> i run heavy stuff, often i will have 11 consoles open, i'll goto bed and press enter on all of em. encode dvds compiling ect.. finishes when i wake.. thats on an amd64 3200+ 9 hrs later
[01:26] <jayparadise> yet vmware is going rediculously slow
[01:26] <lsuactiafner>  01:27:21 up  3:56, 16 users,  load average: 1.39, 1.48, 1.42
[01:26] <jayparadise> it still says 33 minutes remaining
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : renice it
[01:26] <unome> There's no need whatsoever for double ram swap if you have over 512 ram
[01:26] <nalioth> jayparadise: when ya have a teenynsy amount of ram >100mb you really need 3x
[01:26] <unome> 19:24:26 up  3:48,  4 users,  load average: 0.35, 0.24, 0.19
[01:26] <nalioth> unome: concur
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> unome : there is.. i often hit my swap and i got 1G dual ddr 400
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> depends on that you do
[01:27] <ys76> There are many opinions about swap out there... Some old documents say, you should have about 3 times your RAM. But what if you got 2 GB of physical RAM
[01:27] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: to each their own, but a good rule of thumb, it is
[01:27] <jayparadise> i dont know nice syntax
[01:27] <nalioth> ys76: the docs are OLD
[01:27] <jayparadise> ill consult the man
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : yeh
[01:28] <ys76> AFAIK there is/was a limit at 2GB for SWAP-Space
[01:28] <unome> dude, 2GB swap when you have 1G 3200 PC is waste of space
[01:28] <nikkia> ys, best advice is to try and determine what you are likely to need
[01:28] <nikkia> ys, if you dont think you'll regularly need *any* swap, don't create a swap partition
[01:28] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: the avg user doesnt even realize ubuntu doesnt come with dev stuff
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> unome : should i paste you the oom-killer logs that killed half my system off at 1300 today?
[01:28] <nikkia> for occasional 'OMG i need to edit a 500MB photoshop file' use, a swapfile will work in /tmp
[01:29] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so i don't think the avg use is gonna need to think real hard about it
[01:29] <ys76> nikkia: That's right, but would you like to repartition your hd the other day, because you got OOM-killed?
[01:29] <unome> lsuactiafner: no need for that I believe you
[01:29] <nikkia> i usually work with 3-4 swap partition, but i'll create a 512MB to 3GB swapfile in /tmp if i think i'm going to need it for a particular task
[01:30] <nikkia> ys, if you have 2GB you're not going to OOM unless you regularly need more than 2GB :)
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> just dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp_swap.img bs=1M count=1024 ; mkswap /tmp_swap.img ; swapon /tmp_swap.img
[01:30] <nalioth> i killed my system today (stupidly)
[01:30] <nikkia> ys, if you have 128MB then yes, you need a swap partition, and probably a reasonably sized one
[01:30] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: that's exactly what i do :)
[01:30] <unome> nalioth how did you kill the system
[01:30] <ys76> nikkia: And that was mentioned by oo who own a lap with 128 MB
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> nikkia : i used to have a file like that all ready incase i need it
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> till today i realised i didnt have one anymore
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> so i sat back and watched the system die
[01:31] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: its not like dd'ing from /dev/zero is slow :)
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> kinda eerie
[01:31] <Alia25> any females in here except me? feel kind of left out in here :)
[01:31] <nalioth> unome: opened a video for edtiing (slip of the context menu started it all off)
[01:31] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: it'd be nice if the system could auto-add swap like OS X
[01:31] <nikkia> Alia25: yes
[01:31] <nalioth> Alia25: nobody knew until you spoke up
[01:31] <remyforbes777>  alia25: why do you feel left out
[01:32] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: preferablly without OS X's abysmal use of said swap :)
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> Alia25 : now all the geeks in here will chat you up
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:32] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:32] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:32] <Alia25> lsuactiafner, wwell thats good!
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:32] <nikkia> or they'll just say 'lol' a lot, and cower in fear, which is what they usually do :P
[01:32] <Alia25> so i'll suck all knownledge you have ;)
[01:32] <unome> nalioth, ok, so which part died, the viedo card?
[01:32] <nalioth> Alia25: then you should lurk in here and soak it up
[01:32] <remyforbes777> im a noob so i dont have that much knowledge
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> Alia25 : try http://www.physorg.com
[01:33] <ys76> Knowledge? What's that? ;-)
[01:33] <remyforbes777> but nothing is sexier than an intelligent female
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: nah, it opened (forever) so i switched to another console (which took 2 minutes to log in)
[01:33] <Alia25> haha
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: was gonna kill it (with top) but top never started
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> remyforbes777 : an intelligent girl with a sexy waist+abs is..
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: so i just killed it (didnt want to wait forever)
[01:33] <ender_> how do I find out if GLIB was installed in PREFIX and that the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment variable is set to the right path? =\
[01:33] <remyforbes777> well that too
[01:33] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:33] <unome> I see
[01:33] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: *sigh* always with the insane requirements
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:34] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:34] <Alia25> remyforbes777, you'd be supprised that females are usually more intelligent that then they are given credit for.
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> nikkia : either i date bcom CA (charterd accountant) girls or BA mbw (like they study physical fitness)
[01:35] <pedingto> Hey folks
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> trade offs are =
[01:35] <mrpickles> does ubuntu ship with anything that can burn ISO's ?
[01:36] <pedingto> Just installed ubuntu...got a slight problem...lol
[01:36] <b_e_n_z> mrpickles, nautilus
[01:36] <ys76> mrpickles: You are looking for Nautilus
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mrpickles : cdrecord
[01:36] <Alia25> mrpickles, k3b is good.. just apt-get that
[01:36] <pedingto> The screen size is very small...
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> i had trouble burnin a dvd the other day, like making an exact duplicate.. anyone know whats the best commandline for it?
[01:37] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:37] <mrpickles> thanks all
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : press control alt +
[01:37] <mrpickles> Nautilus ?
[01:37] <pedingto> hrm.
[01:37] <Alia25> I have a laptop, what packages do i install to controll the wireless functions?
[01:37] <ys76> lsuactiafner: Hm, dd and growisofs did the job for me
[01:37] <mrpickles> i closed the window and can't remember the spelling
[01:37] <pedingto> Nope.  That didn't work :/
[01:37] <jo> hm
[01:37] <pedingto> I've had similar problems before with linux.
[01:38] <nalioth> unome: nothing reality shaking, just a slip of the context menu
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> ah ues now i remember growisofs
[01:38] <ys76> Alia25: try iwconfig it is already there
[01:38] <jo> i think i gif it up
[01:38] <pedingto> I managed to get it to work on a livecd of knoppix, but its not quite working here.
[01:38] <jo> after 10 oures of urbuntu
[01:38] <jo> yes tfor logitech web cam driver gr
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso for a duplicate?
[01:38] <jo> i do that in gentoo in 10 sec
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> jo : then use gentoo?
[01:39] <ys76> lsuactiafner: I have to look it up..
[01:39] <pedingto> Ahh, the screen res for some reason won't go higher then 640x480.
[01:39] <jo> yes wil boot in to it
[01:39] <jo> donit get v4l1
[01:39] <jo> in here
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> or wite a bug fix
[01:40] <jo> webcam wont work
[01:40] <budluva> anyone have alsa problems with alsa on 2.6.10 kernel?
[01:40] <Alia25> thanks, ys76
[01:40] <ys76> jo: If it worked with gentoo, why don't you try to use the gentoo-kernel in ubuntu?
[01:40] <budluva> 2.6.10-5-386 to be exact
[01:40] <ys76> Alia25: You're welcome
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a line called Modes
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> budluva : no problems with alsa.
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> but i use 2.6.12 i compiled myself
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> try lsmod and maybe you will see the wrong module loaded?
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> and make sure the correct one is loaded
[01:41] <jo> i doint like the how tos fron urbunto http://ubuntuguide.org/#manualupdate i look ther but man o man 90% is not working
[01:41] <budluva> lsuactiafner, via82cxxx              12956  1
[01:42] <budluva> lsuactiafner, seems like the right module for my snd card
[01:42] <jo> lsmod the modules are loded
[01:42] <budluva> snd_via82xx            25248  2
[01:42] <jo> but in gnomeeting v4l2
[01:42] <budluva> there's a bunch of other snd_ modules too, they all seem to be loaded fine
[01:42] <jo> andt that wont to load only my tv kaardt
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> dude dont paste i just guide you to a possible solution, i dont know much about alsa or the ubuntu kernels since i make my own things as i need it
[01:43] <budluva> i checked xmms and its using alsa as my output, and i've checked my speaker wires, and all sound volumes, xmms doesnt give me any errors when playing the song, just nothings comin out
[01:43] <pedingto> okay lsuactiafner I'm at modes
[01:43] <jo> not my web cam
[01:43] <gorthaug> well bye
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> budluva : run alsamixer
[01:43] <jo>  snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,pwc,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:43] <jo> bttv,pwc
[01:44] <ys76> jo: What's thet pwc module for?
[01:44] <limer> I changed video cards from a gf4mx to an ati and now I can't load X.  what do I need to do?
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : add something along the lines of "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:44] <jo> logitech web cam 4000pro
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : i think you will need to restart X, so press control alt backspace and dont phreak out..
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> it wil come back..
[01:45] <ys76> jo: try to unload and reload it and have a look at dmesg. It should mention the device, your webcam ist broadcasting on
[01:45] <pedingto> Hrm, it is all there lsuactiafner .
[01:46] <jo> oke
[01:47] <jo> pwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : ok then you need to look for a line VertRefresh
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> and HorizSync and check that those accurately describe your monitor
[01:48] <jo> but stil not working
[01:48] <ys76> jo: Have a look at the few lines before and after this entry. There should be a hint, which device to use
[01:48] <iznogood> jo: did you give v4l the right option, the right video device e.g.
[01:49] <jo> donit have  v4l1 but 2
[01:49] <orogor> hello
[01:49] <jo> yes i no how to set it up but i think its bug
[01:49] <jo> pwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.
[01:49] <jo> pwc Registered as /dev/video0.
[01:49] <ys76> That's nice, so it is detected properly
[01:49] <pedingto> lsuactiafner: I know this is going to sound stupid, but those lines aren't in the file.
[01:49] <iznogood> and to which device is your tuner card registerd?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : they are..
[01:50] <ys76> jo: Try to use xawtv to test your cam
[01:50] <pedingto> I'm reading the file now...lol
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> around Section "Monitor"
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> should be before the part where you found modes
[01:50] <pedingto> nope...
[01:51] <ys76> jo: xawtv -hwscan should list ist
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> well... suppose thats why you cant change resolutions.. ok pedingto before you break something back the xorg.conf file up
[01:52] <orogor> anyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?
[01:52] <pedingto> lol already done ;)
[01:52] <jo>  xawtv wont in stal
[01:52] <jo> man o man
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> under Section "Monitor" add the lines, this is only an example and if you use the incorrect lines you could break things
[01:52] <lsuactiafner>         HorizSync       30 - 71.0
[01:52] <lsuactiafner>         VertRefresh     50-150
[01:52] <ys76> jo: And xawtv -c /dev/video0 should your grinning face on the mointor...
[01:52] <jo> i no
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> those numbers should be in the monitors manual or on the back of the monitor
[01:53] <ys76> jo: Any hints why it won't start?
[01:53] <jo> no
[01:53] <jo> bug
[01:53] <jo> must by
[01:53] <pedingto> I'm running a laptop....
[01:53] <jo> its flikering
[01:53] <jo> the lamp
[01:53] <jo> tan go out
[01:53] <ys76> jo: Did you try to start it with a higher debugging level?
[01:53] <resiak> Stop hitting
[01:53] <resiak> enter every
[01:53] <jo> no
[01:53] <resiak> two words
[01:54] <resiak> damnit!
[01:54] <magician> plz
[01:54] <magician> help me
[01:54] <jo> fust pis andt smook
[01:54] <magician> i have a problem whit ubuntu
[01:54] <magician> whit my graphic card...
[01:54] <ys76> jo: Did -hwscan list your devices
[01:54] <resiak> magician: What _is_ the problem?
[01:54] <magician> i cannot change resolution of ubuntu
[01:55] <ruzty> will linux run .exe files?
[01:55] <magician> only 640 x 4680
[01:55] <resiak> magician: Why did you need the preamble there?
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> man thats an annoyin problem, breezy really needs a tool to set resoluions
[01:55] <ys76> ruzty: No, it won't
[01:55] <ruzty> blast
[01:55] <jo> no xatw wont instal
[01:56] <orogor> there s  zine
[01:56] <jo> eating to
[01:56] <orogor> there s  wine
[01:56] <pedingto> This is a problem I've had with several distro's
[01:56] <ys76> jo: Ok, did you try apt-get update?
[01:56] <ruzty> trying to install a donloaded windows over it for the moment
[01:56] <pedingto> The only one I got it working in was knoppix.
[01:56] <magician> yes
[01:56] <resiak> Is Mono in Ubuntoy?
[01:56] <ruzty> and i can't find an image
[01:56] <jo> ys76  did that 1000 times
[01:56] <riffic> ubuntoy ?
[01:56] <jo> Reading package lists... Done
[01:56] <resiak> Sorry, a freudian slip ;)
[01:57] <iznogood> did you also do an, apt-get upgrade?
[01:57] <jo> E: Couldn't find package xawtv
[01:57] <jo> jub
[01:57] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:57] <jo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:57] <stuNNed> so i can 'apt-get source package' in a dir, then tar zxvf original_package, cd to that dir, apply a patch, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage' within that dir and all is well and dandy?
[01:57] <Kyral> aptS xawtv
[01:57] <tim> windows is the worst thing in the world
[01:57] <iznogood> and if you try "apt-cache search xawtv" ?
[01:57] <Kyral> err
[01:57] <zenlunatic> lets report ruzty to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:58] <tim> is anyone else using window on sata drives?
[01:58] <Kyral> damn, thats my alias for apt-cache search :P
[01:58] <ruzty> scary
[01:58] <ys76> Kyral: Why not aptitude search?
[01:58] <Kyral> see, thats the problem with alias, you start using them, then you go to fix someone else's system and you are like "WTF are these commands?!"
[01:58] <ruzty> thx anywho
[01:58] <jo>  apt-cache search xawtv
[01:58] <jo> liblircclient0 - LIRC client library
[01:58] <tim> I need help if anyone is, because everytime I use grub to change the mbr, windows refuses to load the sata drivers
[01:59] <ys76> Maybe jo hasn't enabled multi- or universe yet...
[01:59] <Kyral> ys76: I dunno aptitude just didn
[01:59] <honor> I ruined up my filesystem first my bootpartition was read only after that I can't get grub anymore how to fix this?
[01:59] <Kyral> 't do it for me
[01:59] <nalioth> Kyral: "why does this machine not work?!"
[01:59] <budluva> what mpeg plugins do i need for mp3 playback in xmms?
[01:59] <Kyral> I like apt-get and apt-cache, works fine
[01:59] <jo> ys76?
[01:59] <Kyral> budluva: w32codecs
[01:59] <jp> Hi guys, I just restarted my pc, and there was a partition verification, now when I go to home/jp/x  there's not the most important stuff for me, I lost 500 mbs of pics and some videos cool im happy :)
[01:59] <ys76> jo: Did you enable multi/ universe?
[01:59] <jp> I wanna cry  :(
[02:00] <jp> how can I recovery that data?
[02:00] <jp> :(
[02:00] <jo> no doint thinkzo
[02:00] <jo> i niuwbie man
[02:00] <ys76> Kyral: I am fine with these tools too, but nearly anyboda else is using aptitude...
[02:00] <Kyral> Linux is all about choices :D
[02:00] <Victus> will my performance be affected by leaving kde lib on the system?
[02:00] <jo> so multi/ universe google i think
[02:01] <Kyral> I removed Synaptic too :D
[02:01] <resiak> Victus: No, only your disk spatce.
[02:01] <Kyral> actually, can I remove aptitude?
[02:01] <ys76> Kyral: Give it a try!
[02:01] <honor> Is there a way to fix my ubuntu wirh the ubuntu livecd?
[02:01] <orogor> anyone can tell me if there s something special to do on ubuntu to get ssh to work .?
[02:01] <jp> how can I recover my lost data?
[02:02] <resiak> jp: Look in /lost+found
[02:02] <orogor> my port is open and i cqn connect to it on local
[02:02] <ys76> jo: It is somewhere in ubuntulinux.org's wiki
[02:02] <Kyral> ys76
[02:02] <Kyral> BAD IDEA!
[02:02] <orogor> but i am behind a router and it doesn t works outside
[02:02] <orogor> and the port is forrwarded
[02:03] <jp> resiak jp@shawn:/lost+found $ du -sh >> 48K     . >> jp@shawn:/lost+found
[02:03] <jp> :(
[02:03] <ys76> Kyral: Why ist this a bad idea? It will remove aptitude and a meta-packet called ubuntu base
[02:03] <resiak> jp: You do of course have backups, yes? Seriously, I learned the hard way too.
[02:03] <jp> nop
[02:04] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/252
[02:04] <ys76> Kyral: So it won't harm you.
[02:04] <Victus> another question: I installed the mplayer plugin for mozilla but it crashes each time I try o view a quicktime file--has anyone else had this problem ?
[02:04] <Kyral> yah, but isn't ubuntu-base == CRITICAL?
[02:04] <jp> I don't like backup 'cause I don't have so much space of hd resiak
[02:04] <resiak> jp: So you get more.
[02:04] <DonL> Victus, mine just crashes sometimes, but I haven't been able to find out why
[02:05] <Victus> ahh thanks
[02:05] <Kyral> Wait for a sale at CompUSA :D
[02:05] <jp> resiak so gift me a new hd 'cause I'm poor resiak fuck you.
[02:05] <Kyral> got a 300 GB HD for about 150
[02:05] <orogor> anyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?
[02:05] <Kyral> jp: Language
[02:05] <iznogood> nobody's gonna fuck no'one please
[02:05] <orogor> and tell me if it works from outside
[02:05] <ys76> Kyral: ubuntu-base is just a meta-paket
[02:05] <Victus> does kaffeine work better for quicktime?
[02:06] <Kyral> orogor: Passwd & Username?
[02:06] <resiak> jp: Sorry, that came out sounding much harsher than I intended, I'm sorry. I just meant that this stuff happens, so it's crucial to at least burn stuff that matters to CD.
[02:06] <orogor> Kyral,  u can establish a connexion ?
[02:06] <DonL> Victus, I found the only thing that works at all is MPlayer, but I may not have given the others a good try
[02:06] <djs> orogor: I just tried and got to the point where it asks for a password.  Looks like it's working
[02:06] <orogor> huhu
[02:06] <orogor> odd
[02:06] <nalioth> Victus: do you have libquicktime installed?
[02:07] <ender_> whats the correct way to extract a .zip ?
[02:07] <orogor> it doesn t works from where i am
[02:07] <resiak> ender_: unzip
[02:07] <Kyral> yah, I got to the RSA Verification stage
[02:07] <resiak> ender_: (or file-roller)
[02:07] <ys76> Kyral: Do an aptitude show ubuntu-base and read the last few lines
[02:07] <orogor> from another comp on the network
[02:07] <orogor> djs,  do u think i need  bind or something ?
[02:07] <resiak> orogor: Can you ping it?
[02:08] <Kyral> ys76: Oh
[02:08] <Kyral> and it will prolly get reinstalled anyway when I get to Breezy in Oct
[02:08] <jp> I want to die I lost the mos importan stuff for me
[02:08] <orogor> resiak, i van ping only domain
[02:08] <orogor> resiak, not computer.do;ain
[02:09] <Victus> yes I have libquicktime
[02:09] <orogor> resiak, not computer.domain.com
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> omg ppl, its possible to do this.. nice -n 20 mplayer64 fight_club.avi -fs -rootwin -loop 0 -nosound -hardframedrop -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg
[02:09] <resiak> orogor: Then that could be your problem. Try using its ip rather than hostname?
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> have a movie play as the X desktop background
[02:09] <resiak> lsuactiafner: Where did you just read that? Someone else just mentioned that to me
[02:09] <orogor> resiak,  that works
[02:10] <orogor> resiak, but i am behind a router
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> resiak : #mplayer
[02:10] <Efwis> help, need to change GRUB to load windows as primary and not Ubuntu, but the directions given in the unofficial guide dont' work, any ideas
[02:10] <resiak> lsuactiafner: Ahhhhh, djm hangs there too
[02:10] <orogor> Efwis, use lilo
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> uses around 3-4% of my amd64 3200 processor
[02:10] <resiak> orogor: And there's your problem! :)
[02:10] <orogor> resiak, huh ?
[02:11] <resiak> orogor: Sounds like the name resolution stuff is messed up
[02:11] <orogor> resiak, humm
[02:11] <Efwis> any other route besides LILO??
[02:11] <jp>  I want to die I lost the most important stuff for me, only for restart by power button, that never happened to me on windows xp, that's why I did it on linux, trsting on linux
[02:11] <jp> i'm just crying
[02:12] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: in the future stay away from ubuntuguide
[02:12] <resiak> jp: Bad luck...
[02:12] <DonL> jp, it's happened to me more times than I can count. I've learned a lot though
[02:12] <mrpickles> how do you take a screenshot through shell terminal?
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: google has very good info on changing your grub
[02:12] <Efwis> thanks
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: as does https://wiki.ubunut.com
[02:12] <nalioth> crap
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: its really https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:13] <sorush20> hi.. guys is anyones screen savers jumpy in Ubuntu,
[02:13] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:13] <concept10> Efwis, you want to make windows default?
[02:14] <sorush20> its just that I have a machine laptop that doesn't have a jumpy screen saver where as on my pc WITH on board graphics its jumpy...
[02:14] <sorush20> can anyone help....
[02:14] <jayparadise> so the higher the nice value the more resources the process consumes, or the lower?
[02:14] <Efwis> yes
[02:14] <nikkia> jay, lower
[02:14] <sorush20> The Graphics Onboard my pc is SIS
[02:14] <Efwis> actually it for a friend of mine
[02:14] <jayparadise> damn
[02:14] <jayparadise> i just did the opposite of what i wanted
[02:14] <nikkia> -20 == more resources, +20 = less
[02:14] <jayparadise> i want to increase vmwares priority
[02:15] <jayparadise> htanks
[02:15] <sorush20> I didn't have this problem with windows...
[02:15] <nikkia> only root can set negative nice values
[02:15] <DonL> sorush20, when you say jumpy do you mean less frames per second? If so, maybe you're not running in accelerated mode
[02:15] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:15] <concept10> Efwis, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst  - read the comments
[02:15] <sorush20> donl: could you please point me in the right direction to see if I can fix the problem...
[02:15] <concept10> mrpickles, first off stop posting that
[02:16] <mrpickles> sure
[02:16] <concept10> mrpickles, second, state your problem
[02:16] <jayparadise> ok now it says  old priority 19, new priority -20
[02:16] <jayparadise> so it should speed vmware up
[02:16] <nalioth> mrpickles: please give it a rest
[02:16] <DonL> sorush20, I'm not the best at this, but can you tell me what video card you're using?
[02:16] <nikkia> jay, it might, or it might not :)
[02:16] <jayparadise> and i gues slow the rest of linux down
[02:16] <nikkia> jay, priorities are a guideline to the schedular, at best
[02:16] <nalioths_dog> mrpickles: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:17] <concept10> mrpickles, state what has happened after the install
[02:17] <orogor> resiak,  is there  anything in the default ssh config of ubuntu that would restrict access to locales adresses only .?
[02:17] <mrpickles> before i installed nautilus, gnome had basically two panels that were part of the interface.  The ones that were at the bottom of the screen and the one at the top.  Now I intalled nautilus and those panels are gone.  I am entirely confused and worried.  I would simply lik to konw how to get rid of nautilus if that is possible.
[02:17] <ogami1972> hey folks- what's is yer sources.list?
[02:17] <TokenBad> apt-remove nautilus?
[02:18] <concept10> NO!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:18] <sorush20> donl, its an asrock onborad graphics chip..
[02:18] <concept10> dont do that
[02:18] <mrpickles> I'm new to linux
[02:18] <jayparadise> it seems to be going faster now
[02:18] <mrpickles> dont apt-remove nautilus ?
[02:18] <concept10> mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu
[02:18] <resiak> orogor: No. I am now going to sleep
[02:18] <concept10> mrpickles, dont remove
[02:18] <mrpickles> ok sure
[02:18] <ys76> ogami1972: The sources.list contains all the repositories which are used to istall software
[02:18] <jayparadise> linuxis a monster ive filled myead with so much info sense i first began linux and still dont know half of it
[02:19] <concept10> mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu
[02:19] <mrpickles> yeah, so the right click menu is the only menu i have?
[02:19] <mrpickles> yes i *can* right click and bring up a menu ^^
[02:19] <DonL> Sorry, sorush20 , can't help you there. What happens when you go to a terminal and type glxgears?
[02:19] <concept10> mrpickles, open terminal and restart nautilus
[02:19] <mrpickles> what is the command to restart nautilus ?
[02:19] <sorush20> Donl: okay.. wait thanks..
[02:20] <Victus> yes I have libquicktime
[02:20] <jayparadise> on windows i was obsessed with obtaining maximum performance so this nice command is ...... no pun intended nice
[02:20] <ogami1972> well, yes, but apparently backports is down, and nerim is n't working either- i just want to be sure i'm up to date
[02:20] <sorush20> Donl.. there are three gears running very fast then slow.. then fast..
[02:21] <DonL> How many frames per second, sorush20 ?
[02:21] <jayparadise> does ubuntu automaticailly backup? ive noticed cron-daily and monthly in etc
[02:21] <mrpickles> concept10, what is the command to restart nautilus ?
[02:21] <Victus> whats the command to enable dma on the cdrom ?
[02:21] <concept10> mrpickles, try this: killall gnome-panel
[02:21] <sweepz> Hey. i have lost my root password so i need to use the sudo command but how fo i use it
[02:21] <mrpickles> gnome-panel: no process killed
[02:21] <sorush20> Donl; it depends on the size...
[02:21] <concept10> Victus, hdparm -d1 /dev/whatevercdrom is
[02:22] <Victus> thanks
[02:22] <oofnik> hey everyone, what is the difference between static link and dynamic link?
[02:22] <sorush20> Donl, its 16 on the large size and small it was about 367
[02:22] <concept10> mrpickles, ps aux | grep nautilus              is it running???
[02:22] <DonL> sorush20, assuming you do have a problem with accelerated graphics (and I think you do) maybe until someone else can help, go to your screensavers and disable any GL ones
[02:23] <Eman> hi
[02:23] <sorush20> okay...
[02:23] <sweepz> i wanna make my accouns that i using atm admin but what do i type after "sudo"
[02:23] <Eman> am not sure if am in the correct page, i need help to use bash
[02:23] <mrpickles> 1000      7881  0.2  3.7  38736 19484 ?        Ssl  20:11   0:01 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[02:23] <mrpickles> 1000      7903  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:11   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
[02:23] <mrpickles> root      8091  0.0  0.1   3032   716 pts/1    S+   20:23   0:00 grep nautilus
[02:23] <mrpickles> i think so
[02:24] <concept10> mrpickles, wait one second
[02:24] <nalioth> sweepz: you can use system > admin > users and groups  if you like point-n-clik
[02:24] <mrpickles> k
[02:24] <nalioth> Eman: what kind of help?
[02:24] <oofnik> anyone know how to get xmms to play musepack files?
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> sweepz : i dont think you want a user running firefox or some network app with admin privilages
[02:24] <Eman> amm well, maybe its a little silly problem
[02:25] <Eman> am trying to make a little bash program
[02:25] <concept10> mrpickles, type nautilus in terminal and see if they come back
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> just keep a root terminal open if you hate sudo
[02:25] <sorush20> Donl: here is the link to the motherboard I'm using its http://www.asrock.com/product/product_p4s61.htm
[02:25] <Eman> but since i just got ubuntu, or linux
[02:25] <Eman> i really dun know the sintax
[02:25] <pedingto> lsuactiafner: I'm still having this issue with the resolution...I'm trawling for information about it.  But I can't seem to find a work-a-round.
[02:25] <ender_> how do I unzip into a directory?
[02:25] <mrpickles> alright
[02:25] <nalioth> Eman: here ya go http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+howto+site%3Atldp.org&ie=UTF8
[02:25] <mrpickles> i typed nautilus
[02:25] <mrpickles> and i got this
[02:25] <Eman> nice hx xD
[02:25] <mrpickles> (nautilus:8112): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[02:25] <mrpickles> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[02:25] <Eman> thx+
[02:26] <mrpickles> and then it brought up a window "root" with 3 files in it
[02:26] <Eman> lol google the answer of the gods =)
[02:26] <pinko> if someone cares to explain--
[02:26] <pinko> is there anything especially secure about using sudo?
[02:26] <nalioth> Eman: google, the first stop on the curiosity train
[02:26] <concept10> mrpickles, did your panels come back?
[02:26] <mrpickles> no they did not
[02:26] <Eman>  /msg nickserv register ffantasy
[02:26] <ender_> I used just unzip foo.zip and got like 100 files on my desktop =(
[02:26] <nalioth> pinko: yes, it keeps mistakes down to a minimum
[02:26] <Eman> ups
[02:26] <Eman> ajaj
[02:26] <jayparadise> when trying to display files using wildcards, ex: ls -l e* how do you get it not to display recursivley
[02:26] <pinko> from the user, ok.
[02:26] <concept10> mrpickles, you should try to log out and back on.  Dont save the current session.  They should come back
[02:27] <nalioth> ender_: with zips, you should usually make a folder esp for unzipping them
[02:27] <pinko> it's not intended as a protection against outsiders?
[02:27] <mrpickles> what is command to log out to the log in menu ?
[02:27] <concept10> mrpickles, if not, get back in terminal and run xchat and comeback here
[02:27] <zoople> hello all. newbie here :-)
[02:27] <nalioth> ender_: tar.gz and tar.bz2 files usually pop out with their own folders
[02:27] <nalioth> pinko: no, its protection of the system from the user
[02:27] <concept10> mrpickles, ctrl+alt + backspace
[02:27] <jayparadise> lol
[02:28] <concept10> lol
[02:28] <jayparadise> what did he want to do
[02:28] <zoople> has anyone ever had a: "Failed to initialize HAL" error on boot [dist: Hoary]
[02:28] <jayparadise> im guessing not that
[02:28] <concept10> jayparadise, he is trying to get his panels back, he needs to restart nautilus
[02:28] <jayparadise> oh he did
[02:28] <virgule> Sorry zoople, I cant do that
[02:28] <jayparadise> he wanted to get to g/kdm
[02:28] <mrpickles> back
[02:28] <jayparadise> that was quick
[02:28] <mrpickles> the panels didn't come back
[02:28] <concept10> lol
[02:28] <jayparadise> what are you running man
[02:29] <zoople> ah ok virgule
[02:29] <zoople> :-)
[02:29] <Linux_Man> ping me
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> o yeah by the way when i use cfdisk i get an error
[02:29] <jayparadise> how fast is ur processer picckels?
[02:29] <concept10> mrpickles, run ps aux | grep nautilus again
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> u know how can i fix thar?
[02:29] <jayparadise> i didnt know ubuntu had cfdisk
[02:29] <zoople> ive had a hunt around, general consesis seems to be that it is a DVD writer problem, but not sure how to fix
[02:29] <concept10> mrpickles, you dont have any panels?
[02:29] <jayparadise> cool it does
[02:29] <jayparadise> nice
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> it does xD
[02:30] <mrpickles> no panels, except the one when i right click
[02:30] <jayparadise> cfdisk owns
[02:30] <pedingto> in xorg.conf what does "DPMS" mean under options?
[02:30] <mrpickles> ps aux | grep nautilus gives me exactly the same message
[02:30] <Eman_rpg> but i wanna get the id of one of the partitions of the HD to mount ssome
[02:30] <jayparadise> redners fdisk obsoluete
[02:30] <pedingto> under section monitor
[02:30] <mrpickles> but still no panels
[02:30] <jayparadise> dpms is um
[02:30] <jayparadise> dots per minute
[02:30] <jayparadise> i think
[02:30] <DonL> sorush20, I just did a google search on the Real graphics AGP in your system, and it seems other Linux users are having problems with acceleration with it as well
[02:30] <jayparadise> it has to do with .....iforgot
[02:30] <concept10> mrpickles, post the first one again
[02:31] <virgule> whoa Linux_man ping reply: 67.92s
[02:31] <mrpickles> 1000      8293  1.2  3.7  38492 19180 ?        Ssl  20:28   0:00 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[02:31] <mrpickles> 1000      8325  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:28   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
[02:31] <mrpickles> root      8379  0.0  0.0   2904   484 pts/1    R+   20:29   0:00 grep nautilus
[02:31] <mrpickles> is what im getting now
[02:31] <pedingto> No worries jay, thanks for the help.
[02:31] <jayparadise> id say dont do that mrpickles
[02:31] <concept10> mrpickles, do you see that --no default window switch in there?
[02:31] <zenlunatic> isn't having DeCSS on your computer and using it illegal?
[02:31] <nalioth> zenlunatic: depends on where you live
[02:31] <jayparadise> in a chatroom on 450 5 lines or more can get you kicked
[02:32] <pedingto> Trying to figure out how to make this silly thing able to work in a higher res.
[02:32] <DonL> sorush20, look at this : http://www.yoper.com/forum2/lofiversion/index.php/t6615.html
[02:32] <jayparadise> of*
[02:32] <mrpickles> i think i see a no default window sm client
[02:32] <jayparadise> i wonder why knoppix has X errors with me yet ubuntu and debian dont
[02:32] <concept10> Well, I assume the first switch is your problem, I had it before, dont panic lemme figure this out
[02:33] <pedingto> lol - I've only managed to get X to work in 1024x768 on knoppix, but not ubuntu so far.
[02:33] <zenlunatic> jayparadise: because knoppix is not debian nor ubuntu perhaps?
[02:33] <jayparadise> based off
[02:33] <jayparadise> i have to set xvrefresh xsever and xmod'
[02:33] <virgule> pedingto: Do you have the Modelines setup correctly?
[02:33] <zoople> hey people..what is the go with mp3 players for ubuntu
[02:33] <mrpickles> im still here concept10
[02:33] <nalioth> zoople: what?
[02:34] <jayparadise> software patents
[02:34] <pedingto> to be honest virgule, I don't know.
[02:34] <mrpickles> zoople, do apt-get install xmms
[02:34] <zoople> would like an mp3 player for ubuntu..jus t thought id get advice on it
[02:34] <jayparadise> hey whats the deal with dvds on ubuntu lol
[02:34] <riffic> try out amarok
[02:34] <riffic> its qt based, but it is pretty good
[02:34] <jayparadise> as in whats the apt-get for dvds
[02:34] <mrpickles> amarok = the leet
[02:34] <zoople> ill try mrpickels thants
[02:34] <jayparadise> mplayer kind of works
[02:34] <nalioth> zoople: there are plenty, and like opinions, everone will tell you different
[02:35] <nalioth> zoople: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:35] <zoople> ah ok :-) ya, its cool..just thought id get a few
[02:35] <jayparadise> but i have to go to the actual vod file rather than just hitting play dvd, that always fails
[02:35] <zoople> i have no idea...v bad newbie here
[02:35] <virgule> pedingto: does ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Modeline' output something?
[02:35] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[02:35] <riffic> xmms2 should be out soon as well
[02:35] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:35] <jayparadise> zoople: i learned tihs like 3 days ago
[02:35] <zoople> aweome
[02:35] <jayparadise> check the pastebin
[02:35] <zoople> thanks guys
[02:35] <mrpickles> concept10, I am just going to reinstall =( its not that bad
[02:35] <zoople> :-)
[02:36] <concept10> oh well,
[02:36] <nalioth> mrpickles: are you familiar with the comand line
[02:36] <zoople> my HAL problem is a pain in the ass, but i think that it is a bit advanced for me right now
[02:36] <nalioth> shcrap!
[02:36] <jayparadise> and just copy an overwrite you current /etc/apt/whatsitcalled.conf
[02:36] <nalioth> pickles coulda removed all the crap via comand line
[02:36] <concept10> nalioth, he just needed to restart panel apps
[02:36] <DonL> I'm off for now. See you later.
[02:37] <sorush20> guys how do I configure a wireless card....
[02:37] <jayparadise> iwhy does bash list recursivly when isuing ls with a wild card
[02:37] <zoople> ok next question :-p... good NTFS readers so that i can access my windows partition
[02:37] <jayparadise> like ls -l a*
[02:37] <sorush20> the problem is that when I search for it it is there in the lspci, but it nowhere to be seen anywhere else can anyone help please..
[02:37] <jayparadise> to see a files
[02:38] <zoople> oh shit
[02:38] <zoople> initgroups: Operation not permitted
[02:38] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[02:38] <jayparadise> i guess cus its a WILDCARD. but on other distros this wasnt hte case
[02:38] <Octane> anyone here get captive ntfs tow rok
[02:38] <jayparadise> methinks ls -l a*/ will override that
[02:38] <nalioth> zoople: you can't write to NTFS, without the great risk of total NTFS data loss
[02:38] <Octane> it keeps hanging on "searching for X server for Glade"
[02:39] <rodrigo> hola
[02:39] <zoople> wow..ok thanks
[02:39] <rodrigo> hello
[02:39] <nalioth> Octane: i do not load windows system libs into my kernel, thank you very much
[02:39] <zoople> ill just read from it then
[02:39] <rodrigo> help
[02:39] <Octane> nalioth lol :)
[02:39] <jayparadise> nope
[02:39] <jayparadise> no one else finds this to be a problem
[02:39] <rodrigo> alguien entiende espaol,
[02:39] <jayparadise> ?
[02:40] <jayparadise> nice i have M$ winD0ZE on vmware now
[02:40] <Eman_rpg> yo rodrigo
[02:40] <jayparadise> in the rare event i need soemthing unsupported i have a fix
[02:40] <nalioth> rodrigo: hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es
[02:40] <jayparadise> TODO: procede to explore bsd and others with vmware
[02:41] <Eman_rpg> yep
[02:41] <jayparadise> hell yea
[02:41] <jayparadise> ill see you guys later
[02:41] <Eman_rpg> cya
[02:41] <nalioth> jayparadise: nice? like havin a cobra in a cheap paper sack kind of nice?
[02:42] <zoople> great..now my Users and groups thing wont start up
[02:42] <zoople> maybe i should reinstall
[02:43] <concept10> alright someone tell me how to chroot
[02:44] <zoople> initgroups: Operation not permitted
[02:44] <zoople>  ?????????/
[02:44] <zoople> brb people
[02:46] <virgule> ?
[02:47] <mika5> hello
[02:48] <Octane> when they say in the ubuntuguide to edit smbusers
[02:48] <Octane> and add system_username = "network username"
[02:48] <Octane> system_username is my username on this box, but what's network username?
[02:48] <nalioth> Octane: stay away from ubuntuguide
[02:48] <Octane> nalioth: why
[02:48] <nalioth> Octane: it will lead you back here
[02:48] <Octane> hahahaha
[02:48] <mika5> Hi I am new to Linux/Ubuntu, and was able to add JAVA support per the WIKI
[02:49] <Octane> got a better place for a samba guide, i have friggin used it in AGES
[02:49] <Octane> mika5: congratulations
[02:49] <mika5> but now it does not know where it is
[02:49] <nalioth> Octane: read item 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:49] <nalioths_dog> mika5: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[02:49] <oofnik> hey guys i have a question about the repositories
[02:50] <nalioth> mika5: that would be the self-extracting .bin file
[02:50] <mika5> that's exactly what I did and it worked, but now it doesn't
[02:50] <nalioth> mika5: you ARE using a x86 install, right?
[02:51] <mika5> yes
[02:51] <nalioth> what doesnt work?
[02:51] <mika5> the JAVA_HOME  isn't in the PATH
[02:51] <nalioth> mika5: you are confusing the wiki/ubuntuguide stuff with the ones above
[02:51] <mika5> my browser is looking for the java plugin
[02:51] <sara_poo> is anyone running e17 on ubuntu?
[02:52] <nalioth> mika5: wait one
[02:52] <Kyral> sara_poo: I have gotten it working, but not now
[02:52] <caonex> Seveas, 99% pass, and no errors, so it is not the memory
[02:52] <nalioth> caonex: Seveas is taking a nap
[02:52] <caonex> nalioth, oh hehe...
[02:53] <nalioth> mika5: you can type "java -version" at a terminal?
[02:53] <mika5> JAVA_HOME is in my /etc/bash.bash.rc but looks like it was not executed
[02:54] <mika5> yes i can see version
[02:54] <sara_poo> Kyral: whats changed?
[02:54] <sara_poo> Kyral: and what window manager have you chosen instead
[02:54] <mika5> I don't know
[02:54] <Kyral> sara_poo: A complete system crash and a reinstall :D
[02:54] <mika5> gNome
[02:55] <caonex> nalioth, maybe you can help me, X is kicking me out and when I try to switch back to it, the computer freezes up. Seveas told me that when I get a segfault in X is due to probably because of bad memory.
[02:55] <Kyral> yea, GNOME LD
[02:55] <nalioth> mika5: how bout "ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/" do you see libjavaplugin_oji.so in there?
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: i'm not an ubuntu user yet, but i'm considering switching from gentoo
[02:55] <Kyral> Gentoo..............
[02:55] <sara_poo> i run a high end amd 64
[02:55] <nalioth> caonex: how much memory is in your video card?
[02:55] <Kyral> How I have fought thee
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: whats wrong with gentoo?
[02:55] <Razor-X> sara_poo: well, the products differ
[02:55] <caonex> nalioth, 32MB.
[02:55] <Razor-X> Portage kicks ass
[02:55] <Kyral> Wouldn't boot 1/3rd of the time :D
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: i'm actually happy with it, but always curious if i'd be happier with something else.
[02:55] <nalioth> caonex: could it be bad memory there?
[02:56] <caonex> nalioth, I ran the memtest on his command, and no errors were returned
[02:56] <Razor-X> I haven't found a package manager even close to portage, aptitude is a far second
[02:56] <sara_poo> Razor-X: does ubuntu have something similar to portage?
[02:56] <concept10> I need to restore grub, I just loaded Ubuntu LiveCD, could someone tell me how I should mount and chroot?
[02:56] <nalioth> caonex: got a beater vid-card to throw in it for testing?
[02:56] <Kyral> sara_poo: Apt-Get
[02:56] <Razor-X> sara_poo: it has a very very robust package manager, of course, but it doesen't compile source
[02:56] <muttDC> i have a question... when you type 'make' and it throughts out an error, does this mean that i'm missing some library??
[02:56] <nalioth> caonex: to my knowledge, memtest only works on system ram
[02:56] <sara_poo> Razor-X: why do you prefer portage over apt-get ?
[02:56] <Razor-X> or have the myriad of optimization customizations that Gentoo allows
[02:56] <mika5> naliot: yes there is
[02:56] <Razor-X> sara_poo: because it's so optimizable and customizable
[02:56] <nalioth> muttDC: that is one reason
[02:57] <muttDC> and if thats the case, how can i see whats the library i'm missing in order to make 'make
[02:57] <muttDC> ?
[02:57] <sara_poo> Razor-X: hmm.....  i'm not sure if ubuntu is for me....
[02:57] <Razor-X> I can get a Gentoo system to run on my 'ol 486 with a stage 1 -O5 and some others
[02:57] <Kyral> sara_poo: I used to use Gentoo, and honestly, it runs the same speed, if not faster
[02:57] <sara_poo> Razor-X: i'll give it a shot, but if i can't tweak a use flag, etc. i'm not sure what i'll do
[02:57] <nalioth> mika5: its seems that things are in order, im not gonna be much more help to you
[02:57] <Kyral> Ubuntu I mean
[02:57] <Razor-X> sara_poo: you'll just download it like a good person? ;)
[02:58] <sladen> Razor-X: unfortunately, on your 486 it'll take about 3 weeks to compile the thing...
[02:58] <sara_poo> Razor-X: ok, here it goes.  AMD64 ubuntu on it's way
[02:58] <LinuxJones> sara_poo, whnat are you using the system for ?
[02:58] <Kyral> sara_poo: No USE Flags, they are all precompiled binaries
[02:58] <Razor-X> exactly
[02:58] <sara_poo> my home desktop, but I'd like to install DB2 for practice (for work)
[02:58] <mika5> nalioth: like I said the PATH is not set for the JAVA_HOME though I have it in the bash.rc file
[02:58] <nalioth> sara_poo: get to know "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[02:58] <caonex> nalioth, I doubt it, another thing that I have noticed is that, and what could be the proble, my +5 v is down to 4.5 and that is causing some kind of warning.
[02:58] <sara_poo> I play some quake 3/doom 3 video games, ut2004, i run postgresql, hopefully db2 but i hate rpm systems
[02:58] <LinuxJones> sara_poo, you can always dual boot :)
[02:59] <nalioth> mika5: it should be /home/mika5/.bashrc    not bash.rc
[02:59] <sara_poo> I've heard of success stories about installing db2 on debian, so i think i can do it for ubuntu.
[02:59] <nalioth> caonex: yes thats a problem. time for a new 600w PS
[02:59] <caonex> nalioth, I think that is what has to do with the problem. Everytime I boot, latetely anyways, I get the message saying that there was a hardware problem to check the hardware monitor.
[03:00] <caonex> nalioth, you think that is just the power supply?
[03:00] <jjbenham> I am having trouble with dhcp failing in the installer. It works in every other distro but debian.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: I played q3/doom3/ut2k4/wc3 all weekend on ubuntu :)
[03:00] <sara_poo> can you get cutting edge software more easily with ubuntu then with debian?   It's my home workstation, and I like to try some of the newer packages, cvs stuff... etc.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> and it runs fine
[03:00] <caonex> nalioth, could not it be, the motherboard not handling the power correctly?
[03:00] <muttDC> nalioth, and how can see exactly what's the error when i type 'make' ??
[03:00] <nalioth> caonex: you'll need to borrow a "nice" (not cheap) multimeter and test your PS
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: the software's never more than 6months old, and usually within two months of the release the unstable distro starts to become usable
[03:00] <Kyral> sara_poo: Install Breezy
[03:01] <nalioth> muttDC: it should crap out all kinds of errors into your terminal
[03:01] <sara_poo> whats breezy?
[03:01] <caonex> nalioth, and I mean look, my computer seems to be working fine now, but if I leave it idle, then I find it in the console and sometimes unable to control it.
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> Kyral: I wouldn't recomment that currently
[03:01] <nalioth> sara_poo: a puddle of trouble
[03:01] <sara_poo> lol
[03:01] <sara_poo> lets install it
[03:01] <nalioth> caonex: start testing your PS
[03:01] <Kyral> HrdwrBob: Was a joke :D
[03:01] <mika5> naliotH: i saw that it was empty s o I added the java in ~/.bashrc, log out several x and still not picking it up
[03:01] <caonex> nalioth, well, I do not know anybody to borrow it from ;)
[03:02] <jjbenham> dhcp seems to not work on ubuntu for me. It works in gentoo and many other distros. What is the deal?
[03:02] <mika5> nalioth: how do I invoke it on the console?
[03:02] <nalioth> caonex: pull your supply and take it to a local puter shop
[03:02] <nalioth> mika5: java -version
[03:02] <sara_poo> jjbenham: what does an ifconfig -a show ya?
[03:02] <mika5> i mean the new .bashrc
[03:02] <caonex> nalioth, it probably will return the same as my motherboard, because it is measuring 4.5 as of now, it marks it red for the items to be alerted for.
[03:02] <nalioth> caonex: if the supply tests OK, its in the mobo
[03:03] <nalioth> mika5: at a terminal in your home dir, type "source .bashrc"
[03:03] <djs> concept10: Still here?
[03:03] <caonex> nalioth, I see, puter huh? with time people will be saying ter!! and that will stand for computer, hehe
[03:03] <jjbenham> sara_poo: thanks for responding. I am not in ubuntu at the moment.
[03:03] <nalioth> caonex: if the supply tests badly, and you get a new PS, it may fix the prob
[03:03] <concept10> djs, yes
[03:03] <caonex> nalioth, we tend to cut all the words...this is the first time i see that one though
[03:03] <Victus> will apt inform if removing packages will break them ?
[03:03] <djs> concept10: This might help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:04] <nalioth> caonex: what are you talking about?
[03:04] <jjbenham> sara_poo: since dhcp failed I did this ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>; route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:04] <concept10> djs, thanks for the link, ill make sure to provide the same on the rebound
[03:04] <djs> concept10: np :)
[03:04] <jjbenham> sara_poo: Then I did ping <IP_ADDRESS> and I got wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x22
[03:05] <jjbenham> Is this a tulip module issue? Dhcp issue? ipv6 issue?
[03:05] <nalioth> caonex: if they charge for testing, buy a new PS, take it home, swap it out. if it works the old PS was bad, if it does the same with the new PS, the mobo is bad
[03:05] <nalioth> caonex: if the mobo is bad, take the new PS back for your money
[03:05] <sara_poo> jjbenham: if your card shows up in an ifconfig -a , and your properly plugged in, etc, you sould be able to pick up an ip with either "dhcpcd" as root or "dhclient"
[03:06] <sara_poo> jjbenham: do a dmesg to see if your card gets recognized too
[03:06] <jjbenham> yeah it was recognized. I mentioned above how I manually configured it
[03:06] <jjbenham> It gives me errors when pinging the gateway
[03:07] <jjbenham> sara_poo: wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x22
[03:10] <fivre> the lag! the lag!
[03:10] <ampald> hey
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: ubuntu uses dhclient by default
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> jjbenham: sounds like there is something weird with your hardware
[03:11] <jjbenham> the same hardware works fine in debian 32 bit and gentoo, knoppix so far
[03:12] <ampald> i have a question that might seem dumb, but im wanting to use ubunto. can i use any linux-based software with unbuntu? like a linux messenger etc?
[03:12] <davidmccabe> Hey folks, where do I report security problems in Universe packages?
[03:12] <jjbenham> the amd64 bit version of debian has the same problem
[03:12] <davidmccabe> (eg, if the version in Universe should be updated for security)
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> ampald: yes
[03:12] <nalioth> ampald: almost all linux stuff you want (not the payware linux stuff <unless you pay for it>)
[03:13] <Kyral> *cough* Cedega *cough*
[03:13] <Quest-Master> http://drule.leafo.net/junk/thaimonopoly.jpg
[03:15] <fivre> I find it really annoying that there appears to be no monitor calibration program for Linux...
[03:15] <fivre> everything's so dark
[03:16] <fivre> Hey, why is it that my nameservers don't work with my ISP's new assigned number, but work fine with the old one?
[03:17] <sladen> fivre: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/2244242&tid=47&tid=26&tid=7
[03:17] <ampald> thnx BoB and nalioth :)
[03:17] <sladen> fivre: probably because they're blocked to stop the wrong people using them!
[03:18] <fivre> how convenient
[03:18] <fivre> hmm
[03:18] <fivre> but I'm a right people!
[03:18] <fivre> I pay for this horrible service!
[03:18] <nalioth> brb
[03:19] <Victus> how long does everyone think it will take for linux on the desktop to be able to fully eliminate the need for windows?
[03:19] <zenlunatic> Victus: why does it have to replace windows?
[03:19] <fivre> whatever amount of time it takes for WINE to work perfectly
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> Victus: you can do it now
[03:20] <sladen> Victus: about 5 years ago
[03:20] <lsuactiafner> Victus : competition is good, hopefully windows will always fill a ninche market, along with bsd and and apple ect
[03:20] <virgule> It will never happen.. Windows is too deep and so widely spread
[03:20] <fivre> Windows is made by its apps, not the OS
[03:20] <NigelS> I'd say it's already eliminated the *need* for it in most cases but there are some killer apps that keep some people with windows
[03:20] <virgule> its hard to change people's mind better start early
[03:21] <virgule> CAD..
[03:21] <fivre> I still miss XiRCON-kano15b, foobar2000, and Logitech peripheral utilities...
[03:21] <Victus> yes but I mean native apps for quicktime and adobe
[03:22] <fivre> And I'm never going to adjust to the lack of middleclick=ctrl+T
[03:22] <X7C> how do i kill the fish?
[03:22] <ampald> where do most people download the programs they use for ubuntu? like word processor, music player, etc?
[03:22] <X7C> the thingie on ubnutu?
[03:22] <fivre> which is probably possible, I just haven't found it yet
[03:22] <zenlunatic> Victus: if ogg vorbis, ogg theora, and mpc were more widely adopted then it would be easier
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: why?
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: well, I know why
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not like the other codecs don't work
[03:23] <NigelS> see now I personally find every little piece of hardware having its own configuration programs and little annoying thing that sits in the task bar to be very irritating.  Things just plug and play on linux (provided there's the driver support with the kernel)
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> they are just questionably legal
[03:23] <zenlunatic> HrdwrBoB: yes legal
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> ampald : apt-get or synaptic
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> just run those programs..
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> you will see
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> but i need sleep
[03:24] <lsuactiafner> Mon Jun 27 03:24:55 SAST 2005
[03:24] <ampald> thnx
[03:24] <fivre> I'm still on Sunday...
[03:24] <lsuactiafner> lol
[03:25] <fivre> where are you?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: I'm at work on monday
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> well monday exists so dont worry anymore
[03:25] <ampald> its monday 11.20am here
[03:25] <fivre> dangit...
[03:25] <fivre> we should just all use GMT
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> south-africa
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> night ppl
[03:25] <fivre> and live with the associated oddities
[03:26] <zenlunatic> HrdwrBoB: but its not like you can't watch a dvd on a dvd player or cd on a cd player
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: exactly
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> and it's also not like you need those features on a corporate desktop
[03:26] <fivre> I DON'T CARE IF NOON IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
[03:27] <Victus> yes but for simple everyday usage those kinds of things are needed
[03:28] <concept10> anyone know admin password for kubuntu live cd?
[03:28] <NigelS> if anything I think linux has more problems with the *need* question that Victus posed in the home.  The home user will use the gimp and kmail but it's certain corporate environments where they *must* use adobe photoshop and microsoft outlook/exchange server that you have problems.
[03:28] <lsuactiafner> concept10 : user passwd
[03:28] <lsuactiafner>  03:29:28 up  5:58, 19 users,  load average: 5.72, 5.25, 4.45
[03:29] <lsuactiafner> batch jobs runnin
[03:29] <NigelS> I mean, more problems in the office.
[03:29] <fivre> well, look at the beginning of computing
[03:30] <fivre> well, maybe a bit past that
[03:30] <fivre> Windows wasn't really universal until 95 and NT 4.0
[03:31] <fivre> at which point Mac kinda died
[03:32] <NigelS> sure, but apple has hung on by being first with some killer apps - notably graphics and DTP/CAD apps that mean that even though they were way more expensive than an IBM gray box with msdos/windows people still paid and continue to pay the premium
[03:32] <dave_> hi room
[03:32] <NigelS> that's the challenge of linux vs windows only windows saturated the market to such an extent with its model of business that they have so-called migration stopping apps in numerous fields
[03:32] <dave_> I have a question
[03:32] <fivre> indeed you do
[03:33] <dave_> how do you adjust screen resolution? I only have 640x480 option
[03:33] <NigelS> hmm, I noticed the hoary install didn't do a very good job of making people's X server config files
[03:33] <muttDC> where can i find deb's files?? (im trying to find the gift-ares plugin cause it gave me an error when i tried to install the source) ??, some repository somewhere?
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> NigelS: depends
[03:34] <NigelS> when I tried a fresh install I had to fiddle with mine to get sane values
[03:34] <fivre> Computer>System Configuration>Screen Resolution
[03:34] <lsuactiafner> NigelS : it did create the file.. just not the correct file lol
[03:34] <dave_> I've went there fivre but I do not get any other options but 640x480
[03:35] <djs> !resolution
[03:35] <ubotu> [resolution]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:35] <lsuactiafner> xorgconf
[03:35] <fivre> does your monitor support anything higher?
[03:35] <dave_> my monitor does
[03:35] <fivre> does ubuntu support your graphics card?
[03:35] <NigelS> dave_: yeah, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add more resolutions.  They should have been put there by the installer but it seems it's not doing it right atm
[03:35] <fivre> ah
[03:36] <fivre> ok, well, it worked for Warty
[03:36] <dave_> I have a nvidia gx5200
[03:36] <sabbath> how do I get a cool framebuffer console when I bootup? =)
[03:36] <dave_> Nigels...how do I do that?
[03:36] <fivre> damnit
[03:36] <fivre> now my arm is all wet
[03:36] <Victus> with linux on the desktop though, eventually all codecs will be available natively-- I was asking when people think it will happen
[03:38] <nalioth> muttDC: what program/lib are you after?
[03:38] <sabbath> i miss my little penguin and higher resolution that I had during boot-up with my slackware box
[03:38] <muttDC> nalioth, im trying to install ares plugin for giFT
[03:39] <nalioth> muttDC: is there a web page for that?
[03:39] <NigelS> dave_: that guide that the bot spammed will prob be best for you.  But if you want to add them yourself just use a text editor like gedit in gnome or emacs/nano/vim at the console and edit the file, adding more resolutions.  YOu will see the way to add them as the 640x480 will be written in already
[03:40] <muttDC> nalioth, yes.. i tried to install the source but when i typed make it trought me out an error.. want the webpage for that project?
[03:40] <nalioth> muttDC: please
[03:40] <muttDC> nalioth, http://gift-ares.berlios.de/
[03:41] <NigelS> Victus: codecs are available natively now so to speak.  If you mean will they be available unencumbered by the license problems that make them unsuitable for free software purists then I'm not sure that will come about universally for linux.  I think certain distros like Xandros and Linspire will continue to do deals and get actual licensed dvd decoding though
[03:41] <superkitty> how well will Ubuntu run on 128MB of ram?
[03:41] <nalioth> NigelS: they are not available now
[03:41] <nalioth> NigelS: i cannot use win32 codecs
[03:41] <jasmuz> superkitty: somewhat
[03:42] <NigelS> well it depends what codecs we're talking about.  I don't have any trouble with just about any format on the net - which ones are you thinking of nalioth ?
[03:42] <superkitty> jasmuz that doesnt sound promissing
[03:42] <cristiano> gud night :) somone can help me?
[03:42] <jasmuz> superkitty: instead of using gnome ...install Xfce
[03:42] <xxtreme> superkitty, im running ubuntu on a P2 128mb at home
[03:43] <nalioth> NigelS: there aer some that dont work on ppc arch
[03:43] <xxtreme> its ok, nothing to brag about it works
[03:43] <pestilence> during install, it asks you whether the hardware clock is set to GMT or not.  i selected the wrong option.  how do i fix it?
[03:43] <superkitty> xxtreme i will be running it on a P3 with a 700mhz cpu
[03:43] <cristiano> how do i make my serial mouse works?
[03:43] <cristiano> :(
[03:43] <xxtreme> superkitty, you'll do fine
[03:44] <cristiano> mdetect doesnt work :~
[03:44] <NigelS> yeah, superkitty there are options for low resource systems if you like, but now-a-days gnome will be a bit clunky on a lower resourced system
[03:44] <xxtreme> superkitty, in the future add some ram, its cheap
[03:44] <superkitty> how well does the OS configure modems?
[03:44] <NigelS> nalioth: ah I see, I guess not many will be running desktops with PPC into the future though I guess :)
[03:44] <NigelS> I thought job's keynote was funny :)
[03:45] <xxtreme> superkitty, it should do it for you
[03:45] <nalioth> NigelS: that is a good point (although i've been thinking about a small 8xPower IBM box)
[03:45] <xxtreme> superkitty, go for it
[03:45] <oofnik> can anyone help me with xmms?
[03:45] <ttyS0> how to upload file on server using "ssh" utility? =)
[03:46] <pestilence> oofnik, just ask
[03:46] <xxtreme> oofnik, ask away
[03:46] <NigelS> ttyS0: use scp/sftp
[03:46] <jasmuz> oofnik: what is your issue
[03:46] <nalioth> ttyS0: just like ftp, 'get' and 'put'
[03:46] <NigelS> ttyS0: which is part of the ssh suite if utils
[03:46] <nalioth> ttyS0: or you use 'sftp'
[03:46] <dave_> Nigel, please run by me again how to correct issue with resolution
[03:47] <nalioth> muttDC: do you have libgift on your system?
[03:47] <dave_> new to ubuntu
[03:47] <ttyS0> ty :)
[03:47] <NigelS> nalioth: yeah, I'm sure it's pretty cool - I guess PPC will still be around for a while - will become collectors items on ebay even for PPC mac things I suspect.  Jobs reckons *they* can transition in 2 years but the customers will take longer :)
[03:48] <NigelS> hmm, maybe I should buy a PPC mac, keep it in pristine condition for 15 years :)
[03:48] <NigelS> dave_: there was a guide on the wiki for you, one sec
[03:48] <xxtreme> Nigel, and i just bought a PB, dangit
[03:48] <muttDC> nalioth, yes i also have the libgift-dev 'cause i needed it for the './configure
[03:48] <cristiano> how do i make my serial mouse works?
[03:48] <nalioth> NigelS: this one i'm using now (via ubuntu) is over 3.5 years old (from time i opened the box) and (besides a HD replacement) is still goin quit well
[03:48] <cycom> I love ubuntu.
[03:48] <cycom> just thought you all should know
[03:48] <nalioth> xxtreme: you will use your PB for a long long time
[03:48] <NigelS> dave_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: NEVER regret buying a mac
[03:49] <jasmuz> cycom: WE ALL DO
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: if you REALLY don't like it, sell it to me
[03:49] <xxtreme> NigelS, i'll be returning it next week, and ue my IBM T42 on the road
[03:49] <NigelS> nalioth: cool, I was tempted to buy a PB a while back, I love their design but then I realised that I'm a student and have no money :)
[03:49] <cycom> NigelS: same here. I ended up with a compaq
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: sell it to me (unless the apple store will give you your money back)
[03:49] <xxtreme> nalioth, im not complaining, trust me
[03:49] <dave_> nigel, says page does not exist yet
[03:50] <Victus> does anyone know how I can get evolution to display pictures in emails?
[03:50] <jasmuz> NigelS: we all lust for hardware
[03:50] <nalioth> NigelS: the macs are well built (that i've owned) and last a good long time (from experience)
[03:50] <rodrigo> hello
[03:50] <xxtreme> nalioth, they will refund me
[03:50] <virgule> Its is the settings -> mail -> HTML -> always load images....
[03:50] <oofnik> alright.. i built a new input plugin for xmms, and it is in the correct directory, but xmms refuses to see it and i have no idea why
[03:50] <rodrigo> una pregunta como se entra al editor
[03:50] <jasmuz> ive been lusting over an old laptop, like forever
[03:50] <virgule> or something alike ;)
[03:50] <nalioth> NigelS: i've owned 3 intel notebooks in the 3.5+ years i've had this one, and they all felt/were cheap
[03:50] <jasmuz> rodrigo: a cual editor te refieres?
[03:50] <NigelS> xxtreme: that's pretty cool - I can understand wanting to return it when faster PBs are sort of around the cornet
[03:50] <NigelS> cornet*
[03:50] <NigelS> doh!
[03:51] <NigelS> corner*
[03:51] <oofnik> is there some sort of local plugin database for xmms or something?
[03:51] <nalioths_dog> dave_:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:51] <rodrigo> de las x
[03:51] <muttDC> nalioth, thanks a lot man i already installed ares plugin ;)
[03:51] <virgule> I got it: images in Evolution: Edit->PreferencesMail Preferences->HTML Mail. look in this panel its there
[03:51] <NigelS> nalioth: yeah, this is my parent's one that Ive borrowed while I'm at home and the keyboard and construction is quite cheap and nasty :)
[03:51] <xxtreme> NigelS= yeah, i can wait, for them, i just hope they have all the bugs out, when they ship off the first batch
[03:51] <jasmuz> rodrigo: xorgconfig
[03:51] <nalioth> NigelS: faster pbs will ALWAYS be around the corner
[03:52] <nalioth> muttDC: great
[03:52] <rodrigo> para modicar del mouse
[03:52] <NigelS> nalioth: we're not talking brushed aluminium look here :)
[03:52] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que mouse tienes?
[03:52] <nalioth> NigelS: the busted-plastic-aluminum-look?
[03:52] <xxtreme> nalioth, are you hearing anything about PB G5's
[03:52] <rodrigo> genius
[03:52] <nalioth> xxtreme: never happen
[03:53] <djs> N0-De4th-Subst4n (cristiano): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerialMouseHowto
[03:53] <xxtreme> nalioth, dangit
[03:53] <N0-De4th> ty djs  :)
[03:53] <nalioth> xxtreme: freescale has revealed some 1.67ghz G4s (and whispers about dual-core G4s are heard)
[03:53] <NigelS> xxtreme: yeah :) they're using dual binaries for a while and also "rosetta" which is meant to do transparent PPC emulation on x86 for those binaries that are legacy
[03:53] <NigelS> should be fun bug wise :)
[03:53] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que tipo de mouse es
[03:53] <zoople> hello. newbie here. how do i become the admin on my comp. I installed it, but it seems that i dont have access to some things
[03:53] <NigelS> though at the keynote they demonstrated mathematica and said they'd ported it in 2 hours to x86 mac
[03:53] <nalioth> !root
[03:53] <ubotu> well, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:53] <djs> N0-De4th: yw :)
[03:53] <xxtreme> NigelS, so i guess just max out the ram, huh?
[03:53] <nalioth> zoople: read waht ubotu said
[03:53] <rodrigo> el tipo me mouse es un genius
[03:54] <rodrigo> netscroll
[03:54] <NigelS> nalioth: it's the chinese toy factory spare plastic parts look on this fujitsu siemens one
[03:54] <Darkfusion> so my friends comp starts up, goes to a blank screen, and then the ubuntu login shows up after a couple minutes, what should I tell him to do? He has no framebuffer.
[03:54] <zoople> ok :-) ill give it a read, thanks
[03:54] <nalioth> NigelS: i don't care to discuss chinese x86 cheapness. i bought several and ran linux on em (til they crapped out)
[03:55] <NigelS> xxtreme: possibly, atm they're promising the world and claiming that the overhead is tiny but I'd wait and see
[03:55] <NigelS> the latest version of Xcode is designed to make porting architectures easy apparently...
[03:55] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que raro que no te trabaja
[03:55] <oofnik> ahh lockup..
[03:56] <nalioth> NigelS: yes, just tick the box
[03:56] <xxtreme> NigelS, im in construction, and for designs, and blueprints, you can't beat a Mac
[03:56] <nalioth> NigelS: apple (via next) has a history of 'fat binarys'
[03:56] <oofnik> so no ideas on my xmms problem?
[03:56] <xxtreme> oofnik, u never asked
[03:56] <virgule> oofnik: remind me..
[03:57] <NigelS> yeah, I watched the quicktime file of jobs demoing it on stage but as ever you have to wonder what kind of a beast he was using to run the programs
[03:57] <rodrigo> xorgconfig
[03:57] <oofnik> haha, i did, i said xmms didn't see all of my input plugins in the directory
[03:57] <rodrigo> si no :; =?
[03:57] <zoople> is it possible to log in as root?
[03:57] <oofnik> i just built one and it was installed in /usr/lib/xmms/Input.. but xmms doesn't see it
[03:57] <nalioth> zoople: possible but not advised
[03:57] <virgule> chmod ?
[03:57] <Cyber23> has anyone got those new ati drivers to work yet for Ubuntu
[03:58] <nalioth> zoople: did you read that url?
[03:58] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: You find any good linux apps for 2Dcad?
[03:58] <zoople> yes
[03:58] <zoople> but dont really understand
[03:58] <zoople> lol...sill newbie
[03:58] <jasmuz> oofnik: place it in your home/user/.xmms/plugins
[03:58] <xxtreme> pietro_spina, freecad, this other one, let me check
[03:58] <nalioth> zoople: if you log in as root, other users can trick you (or your puter) into doing bad things
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> say, is there a way I can just run a graphical exe that's not an installer?  I forget if that's possible
[03:59] <nalioth> zoople: on the othe hand, "YOU" logged in as root constantly can do bad things to the system
[03:59] <nalioth> zoople: sudo is a 'safety net' for users
[03:59] <zoople> ah ok
[03:59] <zoople> that makes sense
[03:59] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: any linux app will run from the command line
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I mean a windows exe
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's a nice balance between 'root all the time' and 'ability to alter system settings'
[04:00] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i have no idea
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> what should I download for avi files
[04:00] <nalioths_dog> SpecialBuddy: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[04:00] <tw|lit> where can i get firefox 1.04 debs  for ubuntu ?
[04:01] <unome> with root, a space slip can cost you the entire system. Imagine this rm -rf  /home/you/file.txt (notice the space)
[04:01] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> check out www.graphiteone.com
[04:01] <oofnik> jasmuz it still does not work
[04:01] <Cyber23> Can someone help me get my ati drivers working in Ubuntu
[04:01] <tw|lit> i mean packages from the devel tree
[04:01] <virgule> unome: what would it do?!
[04:01] <jasmuz> oofnik: no idea
[04:01] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Sweet, looking at freecad right now.... Looks much more mature than I recall
[04:01] <unome> virgule: I mean rm -rf / home/you/file
[04:01] <nalioth> tw|lit: at this time, you cant
[04:02] <Cherax> anybody knows a guide on how to strip down ubuntu for an old laptop
[04:02] <virgule> lemme try that..
[04:02] <unome> lol
[04:02] <zoople> so...for sudo, i just type in: sudo chown bob * and im all good
[04:02] <nalioth> tw|lit: ubuntu ff 1.0.2 has the security fixes rolled into it
[04:02] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> yeah, i remember the older versions
[04:02] <tw|lit> nalioth: ok. thanks
[04:02] <nalioth> zoople: yes, if you wanted to chown bob
[04:02] <oofnik> hm.. thanks any jasmuz, anybody want to help me figure out why xmms doesn't see all my input plugins?
[04:02] <oofnik> anyway*
[04:02] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> dont forget graphiteone
[04:02] <nalioth> Cherax: do a server install
[04:02] <zoople> so i write sudo chown root *
[04:03] <nalioth> Cherax: then use a lightweight window mangler
[04:03] <nalioth> zoople: its "sudo <command>"
[04:03] <pietro_spina> aat: site not found... Googleing now...
[04:04] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> www.graphiteone-cad.com   sorry
[04:04] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: http://www.graphiteone-cad.com/en/   For your updated bookmarks...
[04:04] <pietro_spina> hehe
[04:04] <rodrigo> q puedo  hacer.,.  =?
[04:06] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: have you used either of those for a real project?
[04:06] <oofnik> i think i found something, there is a libmpc.la file in the plugin directory, and it specifies the plugin's dependant libraries... maybe i don't have one of them?
[04:06] <netsniper> who needs help?
[04:06] <netsniper> im ready
[04:06] <Vinh> meme
[04:07] <netsniper> ok...shoot
[04:07] <virgule> netsniper: I may have a challenge for you
[04:07] <netsniper> ?
[04:07] <xxtreme> pietro_spina= freecad, 4 months ago, im really looking into graphiteone
[04:07] <virgule> XMMS run fine is Xfce4, crash in KDE but load and wont do anything in GNOME? So whats up?
[04:08] <resiak> virgule: Sound daemons.
[04:08] <xxtreme> pietro_spina>= i called them last week, and we're getting together soon
[04:08] <virgule> lets kill the bad daemons
[04:08] <netsniper> virgule, does it seg fault?
[04:08] <virgule> nope.
[04:08] <Vinh> netsniper: its been pissing me for days but I can get nice msfonts working lovely for programs and etc but not for firefox surfing for somereason unless i use the firefox option "must use these fonts" then i see sites not met to been seen that way, countless number of linux i tried with koquer couldnt get working and now firefox.
[04:09] <virgule> in KDE it wont even load, in GNOME it load, start to play but promptly stop just befaore anything audible comes out
[04:09] <virgule> i got to xkill by then
[04:09] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: I'm in an Auto cad world right now. But I dont suspect I'll ever afford it if I go out on my own...
[04:09] <netsniper> Vinh, did you follow the ubuntuguide.org instructions for adding core MS fonts?
[04:09] <Vinh> yep
[04:09] <xxtreme> pietro_spina>= they need promotion here in Miami, so I hope I can make a deal
[04:09] <Vinh> like the fonts in firefox webpages, arent anti lised or something i think like msfonts
[04:09] <Vinh> not smooth
[04:10] <netsniper> virgule, did you try to debig with gdb?
[04:10] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> r  u  licensed
[04:10] <virgule> i dunno how
[04:10] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Their UI looks like it could use some work....
[04:10] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: starting exams next month...
[04:11] <Vinh> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1474&stc=1&thumb=1, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1476&stc=1&thumb=1
[04:11] <Cherax> netsniper do you know how to do a strip down version of Ubuntu, like disable all the service
[04:11] <Vinh> thats what my fonts look like in firefox netsniper
[04:11] <NeoGeo64> whats the best kind of linux to put on a pentiumn100 with 16mb of ram and 1gb hdd
[04:11] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> hey wait, until they meet with my company, i'll get back with you on them
[04:11] <ttyS0> sorry for disturbing again. but... "configure: error: Unable to locate libglade" i've installed libglade 2.0...but...may be it wasn't enought. is it possible to install it using apt-get?
[04:11] <netsniper> http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~gilpin/tutorial/
[04:12] <Vinh> netsniper: opps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=229035#post229035 there you got, last page last post is me. 2 screenshots of my firefox surfing webpages there, as u can see fonts look yucky :(
[04:13] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: I'm in the forums... feel free to send me a message... hopefully they'll show you some pimped out UI hehehe
[04:13] <virgule> libglade-dev?
[04:13] <netsniper> Vinh, your pic is too small
[04:13] <budluva> anyone here use ubuntu?
[04:14] <virgule> or libglade2-dev?
[04:14] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> they better, cause Miami Beach is booming with construction
[04:14] <budluva> woops, wrong window
[04:14] <netsniper> Cherax, what services do you need  disable all you dont!  that's it
[04:14] <_0kills> my little bro is installing Ubuntu on his system right now, hes gonna be on here soon
[04:14] <Vinh> sniper: that link i posted should have 2 pics, clic on it for larger version
[04:14] <oofnik> to boot to runlevel 3 instead of 2, can i just type in 'kernel init 3' ?
[04:14] <netsniper> Vinh, they were both small
[04:14] <Derum> Im having Trouble playing AVI, WMA, WMV etc on my computer, I was wondering How I would be able to watch/listen to these types of files. The thing that I don't understand is that I have all the W32codecs and things of the sort, I even have MPLAYER but it just doesnt seem to work, can anyone help?
[04:15] <ookii> since i've just switched to ubuntu, i need to know the equivelancy of some windows programs, like what is the linux equivelant of dvd decrypter?
[04:15] <oofnik> Derum have you tried using xine and xmms?
[04:15] <_0kills> Derum, try VLC yet?
[04:15] <virgule> vlc
[04:15] <budluva> ookii, dvd::rip i think, i could be wrong
[04:15] <Vinh> netsniper: hmm even this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=229035&postcount=68 ?
[04:15] <Derum> VLC whats that?
[04:15] <_0kills> a media player
[04:15] <virgule> mplayer-like app
[04:15] <Derum> Xine I haven't tried, and XMMS doesnt play any files but MP3
[04:15] <oofnik> is vlc gtk2.4?
[04:15] <_0kills> Derum, just do sudo apt-get install vlc and youre good to go
[04:16] <Derum> ok I will try that thank you
[04:16] <netsniper> Vinh, the first two had get argumetns of "thumb=1"
[04:16] <netsniper> you linked me to the thumbnails..
[04:16] <_0kills> Derum, and also, not always, but in some cases you will have to type: pkill esd for the sound to play in VLC
[04:16] <Vinh> netsniper: ohh sorry
[04:16] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Isn't almost always though... Soo much  money flowing through that town
[04:16] <oofnik> guys how can i change my runlevel at boot
[04:16] <Derum> ok I will remember that
[04:17] <Derum> is there a way where I can place that to automatic?
[04:17] <oofnik> is it 'kernel runlevel n' ?
[04:17] <terry> hello can a real rank nebie ask questions here?
[04:17] <netsniper> Vinh, your fonts look fine -- whats wrong?
[04:17] <terry> newbie
[04:17] <oofnik> yeah terry go ahead and ask
[04:17] <netsniper> oofnik, init 3 ?
[04:17] <_0kills> terry, youve come to the right place
[04:17] <terry> hi
[04:17] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> yeah, so i hope we can make a deal, so i can promote that software here, if its any good
[04:17] <terry> I am lost
[04:17] <Derum> cool its working
[04:17] <Derum> thank you again
[04:17] <_0kills> np Derum
[04:17] <oofnik> netsniper, yeah i want runlevel 3 can i just type that at the grub prompt?
[04:17] <terry> can't even seem to change my theme
[04:17] <Cyber23> Need some help with ati drivers
[04:18] <oofnik> when i change the boot options and such
[04:18] <Cyber23> can anyone help
[04:18] <Derum> but like you said the sound isnt working
[04:18] <bob2> xxtreme: "promote"?
[04:18] <Derum> is there a way where I can get pkill esd to but automatic?
[04:18] <netsniper> oofnik, you mean you want it by default on very boot?
[04:18] <_0kills> Derum, in terminal type pkill esd
[04:18] <netsniper> every boot?
[04:18] <oofnik> no netsniper just once
[04:18] <bob2> Cyber23: you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, right?
[04:18] <_0kills> Derum, to turn esd back on just type esd
[04:18] <netsniper> oofnik, go into command line and type "init 3"
[04:18] <oofnik> i want to use runlevel 3 as a 'vnc server' mode
[04:19] <_0kills> Derum, i always turn esd off, its rarely ever on
[04:19] <oofnik> thanks netsniper i will go try that
[04:19] <terry> when i go to themes it lists several but when i select to install it asks me where it is .... not sure where to look
[04:19] <netsniper> oofnik, level 3 is single-user dude!
[04:19] <Vinh> netsniper: it does? even the overclockers.com.au screenshot? looks much clearer and ease on the eye when surfing on ie/firefox in windows
[04:19] <bob2> Derum: syste -> preferences -> sound -> "start sound server", disable it
[04:19] <bob2> netsniper: er, no, it's not
[04:19] <Derum> oh ok thanks again
[04:19] <bob2> netsniper: level 3 is identical to level 2.  which is identical to level 4.  which is identical to...5.
[04:20] <_0kills> terry, the install option is only for adding new themes
[04:20] <oofnik> yeah, i thought it's like init 1 = halt, then init 2 - 5, then 6 is reboot
[04:20] <bob2> 1 = single-user mode, 0 = halt.
[04:20] <_0kills> terry, to select different themes just click on one
[04:20] <oofnik> ah
[04:20] <oofnik> ok i'm going to try this
[04:20] <terry> why does it display seveal?
[04:20] <netsniper> that was dumb...why did i say that
[04:20] <oofnik> if x is not running locally, will XDMCP still run in a vnc server?
[04:21] <oofnik> haha netsniper it's all good
[04:21] <_0kills> terry, what do you mean?
[04:21] <terry> i have done that but it asks me to show it where the the files are
[04:21] <oofnik> terry are you trying to install a theme that you downloaded or what?
[04:22] <Ghete1> Ok here is a really hard question. i need a sega saturn emulator that will run the cd's, not isos or anything
[04:22] <netsniper> Ghete1, not gonna happen
[04:22] <Ghete1> oh come on!
[04:23] <resiak> Are they standard CDs?
[04:23] <Ghete1> im sure its out there somewhere
[04:23] <terry> well i tried to change my them from the default by selecting one in the theme preferences
[04:23] <oofnik> ehh.. anyone know if XDMCP will still run in a vnc server if it's not running locally
[04:23] <bob2> the logical first step would be to find out if there arew any sega saturn emulators for linux at all
[04:23] <Ghete1> yes they are
[04:23] <netsniper> Ghete1, go to Zophar's domain for some nice linux/win32 emus, but it wont run a CD directly
[04:23] <bob2> have you done that?
[04:23] <terry> but they don't install
[04:23] <resiak> Ghete1: Just tell them to use /dev/cdrom as the iso image
[04:23] <terry> it opens a box and asks for a location
[04:23] <Ghete1> let me look around for a few min
[04:24] <netsniper> Ghete1, i believe that Saturn had some special reader in the console
[04:24] <_0kills> ...terry, when you select a theme it asks for a location?
[04:24] <terry> yes
[04:24] <terry> but i have no idea where to look
[04:25] <terry> we are talking I'm lost
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> im in runlevel 7
[04:25] <bob2> there is no runlevel 7 in ubuntu
[04:25] <netsniper> Ghete1, http://www.zophar.net/unix/saturn.html
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> i made one
[04:25] <_0kills> my brother is installing Ubuntu, he has a wireless card, its asking for ESSID, any idea what that is?
[04:25] <oofnik> haha runlevel 7.. what did you go and do that for
[04:25] <bob2> _0kills: ... the ESSID of your access point
[04:25] <Ghete1> netsniper: yeah im there
[04:25] <oofnik> you have 3, 4, and 5 to mess with
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> runlevel 7 is windows xp
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> hahahahahahahha
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> heh
[04:26] <bob2> hilarious
[04:26] <oofnik> hah.. is that what you did
[04:26] <terry> oh i think i discovered
[04:26] <resiak> My runlevels go all the way up to 11, etc.
[04:26] <_0kills> bob2, how do i find that out?
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> i need a crack for ubuntu
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> anyone got a keygen for horay
[04:26] <terry> you just select and hit revert is that corect
[04:26] <bob2> _0kills: you don't know the name of your AP?
[04:26] <Ghete1> neogeo64: i can lend you a cd key if you want
[04:26] <oofnik> neogeo that doesn't even make sense
[04:26] <netsniper> _0kills, iwconfig
[04:26] <bob2> NeoGeo64: please stop being silly
[04:27] <terry> felling kinda silly now
[04:27] <NeoGeo64> the site im at is charging 9.99 to download ubuntu
[04:27] <terry> feeling
[04:27] <netsniper> bob2, are you a Ubuntu developer?
[04:27] <_0kills> bob2, sorry man, im a noob, i dont even know what an AP is
[04:27] <oofnik> then download it somewhere else? jeez it's linux
[04:27] <synd> ok i just put in a DVD drive.. and now what do i do to make sure its recognized and working correctly?
[04:28] <bob2> netsniper: depends how you define that.  I'm not paid to work on ubuntu, no.
[04:28] <Cherax> Action Points
[04:28] <synd> bob2: is anyone paid to work on ubuntu?
[04:28] <_0kills> hehe
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> synd: yes
[04:28] <bob2> NeoGeo64: then go to releases.ubuntu.com to download it for free
[04:28] <bob2> synd: yes
[04:28] <synd> didnt know twhat
[04:28] <terry> thanks boys i will be back
[04:28] <bob2> _0kills: access point
[04:28] <ajmitch> there are a few people who are paid for that
[04:28] <oofnik> ubuntu rocks too much to be completely free for the developers :)
[04:28] <ajmitch> and quite a few more who work on it as volunteers
[04:28] <netsniper> synd, System -> Administration -> Device Manager
[04:28] <_0kills> bob2, is there a to check for it?
[04:29] <_0kills> is there a way*
[04:29] <bob2> _0kills: nevermind then, if it was your acess point, you'd know it
[04:29] <bob2> leave it blank
[04:29] <oofnik> i'm going to try my init 3 i'll be back in a bit
[04:29] <netsniper> may be linksys
[04:29] <bob2> among the volunteers is the lovely ajmitch!
[04:30] <_0kills> bob2, then we will have to set it up after the install?
[04:30] <bob2> if you don't know the essid, then it's presumably not your AP
[04:30] <netsniper> Vinh, i think your fonts look great!  no problems i see there
[04:31] <netsniper> bob2, linksys default ssid is "linksys"
[04:31] <ajmitch> bob2: lovely? there must be something in the water over there..
[04:31] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[04:31] <bob2> netsniper: yes, I know
[04:31] <_0kills> k, thanks, is there a man on essid and AP so i can learn what they are, because those are new to me
[04:32] <Varanger> netsniper: I changed it to dlink :)
[04:32] <bob2> no, there's not
[04:32] <netsniper> netsniper, my SSID here is FUCKYOU!, to tell those wiley hackers to get lost
[04:32] <Varanger> _0kills: what do you need?
[04:32] <Vinh> netsniper: k
[04:32] <_0kills> Varanger, just information, i have no idea what an ESSID is
[04:33] <drfer57> eesid and ap are wireless terms
[04:33] <Varanger> netsniper: I used to have a neighbour that has a dl speed more than 10 times mine....
[04:33] <netsniper> what is the difference between using the temrs essid and ssid?
[04:33] <drfer57> netsniper - shame on you
[04:34] <nalioth> _0kills: AP could be "access point"
[04:34] <Varanger> _0kills: Every wireless network has a name or "ESSID"
[04:34] <_0kills> bob2, Varanger, so without setting the ESSID will his internet work?
[04:34] <Vinh> [1] +  Stopped                 ftp <-- does that mean i can resume it again?
[04:34] <_0kills> if not, how can we set it up?
[04:34] <bob2> _0kills: no, not at all
[04:34] <netsniper> _0kills, you can set the essid to "ANY" and it will put up the one with best strength
[04:35] <netsniper> bob2, yes "ANY" will fix it
[04:35] <jnc> err... any good reason that NFS would disconnect constantly on autofs?
[04:35] <jnc> this is like a recent thing that's happening
[04:35] <jnc> i don't know where to track down the trouble
[04:35] <bob2> which is not the same as "without setting the ESSID"
[04:35] <netsniper> Vinh, yes, hit "fg"
[04:35] <netsniper> bob2, "ANY" is set by default
[04:36] <davidmccabe> Hey folks,
[04:36] <Vinh> netsniper: thanks
[04:36] <davidmccabe> When the root account is disabled, does root's crontab work?
[04:36] <bob2> davidmccabe: yes
[04:37] <davidmccabe> thanks!
[04:37] <netsniper> bob2, what do you do for a living?
[04:37] <Varanger> am I wrong or alsa-project.org is down ?
[04:37] <bob2> I'm a programmer
[04:38] <netsniper> for whom may i ask?
[04:38] <bob2> www.canonical.com
[04:38] <netsniper> but you said you were not paid?
[04:38] <TokenBad> what is the tmpfs that is listed when you do df -h?
[04:38] <atholas> Does apt-listbugs work for Ubuntu?
[04:38] <jnc> Varanger: looks accurate what you are saying
[04:38] <bob2> netsniper: I said I wasn;t paid to work on ubuntu
[04:38] <jnc> Varanger: i cannot access the website on www.alsa-project.org
[04:39] <netsniper> TokenBad, that is your temporary file system storage
[04:39] <bob2> atholas: no, it doesn't talk to launchpad or bugzilla
[04:39] <Varanger> jnc: me too :( I need to download the sources!
[04:39] <TokenBad> its like 500 megs
[04:39] <netsniper> bob2, you are quite vague sometimes -- what are you paid to work on?
[04:39] <atholas> bob2: is there an equivalent of that in Ubuntu then?
[04:39] <xxtreme> bob2 =  u  r  DUDE of the year.
[04:39] <jnc> Varanger: Varanger try http://ftp.pl.debian.org/mirror/ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/
[04:39] <synd> lmao
[04:39] <bob2> netsniper: eh? bazaar.canonical.com.
[04:40] <bob2> atholas: no
[04:40] <xxtreme> bob2= thanks for taking the time to help us
[04:40] <atholas> bob2: thanks.
[04:40] <jnc> and the fish are tasty
[04:40] <jnc> thanks for the fish
[04:40] <nalioth> netsniper: be careful...too many questions and bob2 will have to kill you
[04:41] <jnc> do your worst
[04:41] <TokenBad> netsniper, is there a way to clear it..or should i even try to?
[04:41] <Varanger> jnc: thx .... I have some issues with alsa... can you help me ?
[04:41] <jnc> Wham Bam Fryin' Pan!
[04:41] <netsniper> TokenBad, do you need to?
[04:41] <jnc> bad david bowie reference
[04:41] <jnc> do'oh
[04:41] <netsniper> TokenBad, it gets cleaned on boot
[04:41] <TokenBad> oh ok
[04:42] <toddmc> anyone have any experience getting Wireless working?
[04:42] <toddmc> anyone have any experience getting Wireless working?
[04:42] <netsniper> nalioth, i work for the NSA -- dont fsck with my file systems
[04:42] <bob2> toddmc: no need to repeat
[04:42] <netsniper> toddmc, yes, what chipset you have?
[04:42] <nalioth> netsniper: i will leave that to windoze
[04:42] <toddmc> ok
[04:42] <toddmc> ok
[04:42] <toddmc> j/k
[04:43] <nalioth> toddmc: keyboard dysfunction?
[04:43] <zip> how do i take a screenshot in Xfce?
[04:43] <jnc> Varanger: i could attempt to help, in exchange for your patronage
[04:43] <synd> zip: press the print screen button
[04:43] <Varanger> jnc: patronage? what do you mean?
[04:43] <zip> synd: macintosh
[04:43] <jnc> see snotice
[04:43] <synd> zip: ah
[04:43] <toddmc> i can activate the wireless card eth1
[04:44] <toddmc> but i never get an IP address
[04:44] <quam> toddmc, what kind of wireless adapter are you using?