[01:36] <Mitario> heya guys
[01:37] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[01:39] <Mitario> slomo, hiya, hows mako? :p
[01:40] <slomo> Mitario: not responding ;)
[01:40] <Mitario> hrm :)
[01:40] <Mitario> he wasn't near new orleans right? :p
[01:41] <slomo> Mitario: boston afaik
[01:41] <Mitario> ah
[01:43] <slomo> i hope he looks at the CoCs soon...
[01:45] <Mitario> indeed
[01:45] <Mitario> nn!
[01:45] <slomo> gn8
[03:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: You around?
[03:54] <ajmitch> yes
[03:54] <bddebian> Wanna do me a favor?
[03:56] <ajmitch> depends
[03:56] <bddebian> You hate me don't you? :-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> hm, no partimage in sarge, that is a pain
[03:56] <ajmitch> nope
[03:57] <bddebian> Can you throw blacs-mpi up?  I'm pretty sure just needs a rebuild and I need it for scalapack.
[03:57] <ajmitch> ok, I thought that one was rebuilt recently
[03:57] <bddebian> Still shows in apt-cache unmet
[03:59] <ajmitch> right, not showing up here, but the package is broken
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah, a simple rebuild wouldn't fix it
[04:00] <ajmitch> since lam4 is hardcoded in depends, which is why the last upload didn't fix it for you :)
[04:02] <ajmitch> fixed, building now...
[04:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where is lam4 hardcoded?
[04:03] <bddebian> Ohh blacs1-lam  what a dolt
[04:07] <ajmitch> I need a faster box for this
[04:07] <ajmitch> I wonder if there's room in the case for another hard drive..
[04:08] <bddebian> Want me to put up a box for ya to build on? :-)
[04:09] <ajmitch> would it be any faster than my xp 1800+, with 1GB RAM?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hmm, probably not :-)
[04:10] <ajmitch> not much point then, is there?
[04:10] <tseng> my fastest box right now is 2ghz p4
[04:10] <tseng> with maybe 512
[04:10] <ajmitch> ok, it built
[04:10] <tseng> building mono on my laptop is a whore
[04:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: I didn't know you had one.
[04:10] <bddebian> Your laptop is a whore?
[04:10] <tseng> yes
[04:10] <bddebian> Heh
[04:10] <tseng> it gets around
[04:11] <tseng> to australia, for instance
[04:11] <bddebian> You ain't seen shit until you try to build glibc on GNU/Hurd on a 550Mhz box with 384Mb..  ;-P
[04:12] <tseng> gentoo was pretty bare at the time
[04:12] <tseng> before it got easier and surrounded by kiddies
[04:13] <tseng> meh.
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you mean no DMA, no caching, and a completely untuned elevator algorithm?
[04:13] <ajmitch> aside from it all sitting on Mach
[04:13] <tseng> har har those are modules
[04:13] <tseng> you just need to build them
[04:13] <tseng> and um..
[04:13] <tseng> PROFIT
[04:15] <ajmitch> hey Lathiat
[04:15] <ajmitch> tseng: teh hurd is teh suck, k?
[04:17] <tseng> laughs
[04:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: blacs-mpi hit breezy changes, should be in the archive soon if it builds ok
[04:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey
[04:21] <ajmitch> uh yeah
[04:21] <ajmitch> hey to you too
[04:21] <ajmitch> :)
[04:21] <bddebian> the hurd is the suck?
[04:21] <bddebian> Thanks for the upload btw
[04:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[04:28] <ajmitch> ok, scummvm fixed (sync from debian), with new desktop file
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: it may have been on your list of FTBFS packages
[04:30] <bddebian> Thanks
[04:31] <bddebian> Gonna hit my new list on UniverseUnmetDeps too? :-)
[04:31] <ajmitch> yeah, I might do
[04:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: You rock, now matter what I say about you. ;-)
[04:31] <ajmitch> some of your descriptions of failures are rather wrong, though :)
[04:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Such as?
[04:32] <ajmitch> pgadmin3 does not depend on polyxmass*
[04:32] <ajmitch> nor does pgaccess
[04:32] <ajmitch> they FTBFS due to failing to find postgresql headers & libs
[04:32] <ajmitch> for odd & varied reasons
[04:34] <ajmitch> ****ing windows XP
[04:35] <bddebian> Gotta love it :-)
[04:35] <ajmitch> no I don't
[04:36] <bddebian> OK so I was smoking crack with pgadmin and pgaccess
[04:38] <dereks> anyone here a gdm guru?
[04:39] <ajmitch> dereks: no, do we need to be?
[04:39] <dereks> i am having problems with gdm or gnome, i can't log in to my box, and i need help
[04:39] <ajmitch> #ubuntu
[04:39] <ajmitch> much more likely to get answers
[04:39] <dereks> yeah, i have been asking there for a week
[04:39] <dereks> i gave up there
[04:39] <ajmitch> heh
[04:40] <ajmitch> what happens, what changed?
[04:40] <dereks> it freezes once it authenticates me (with the right login/password) ....
[04:40] <dereks> note, gdm/x/gnome freezes, i can still ssh in
[04:41] <ajmitch> fun
[04:41] <dereks> loads
[04:41] <ajmitch> anything still on the screen?
[04:42] <ajmitch> or are you past gdm & have a blank screen with a cursor?
[04:42] <dereks> it keeps gdm on there
[04:42] <ajmitch> crackful
[04:42] <ajmitch> yay, scummvm built
[04:42] <dereks> yup, keeps gdm on the screen as a tease!
[04:43] <dereks> if i do apt-get --reinstall install gnome, will it clean up all my gdm/gnome config files?
[04:43] <dereks> or is there a way to get it to do that?
[04:43] <ajmitch> yay, package didn't install..
[04:44] <ajmitch> no, it woudln't clean up conffiles
[04:44] <ajmitch> and it would only reinstall the gnome package, not all the dependencies
[04:44] <dereks> how would i clean up conf files?
[04:45] <ajmitch> um
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: scummvm still wouldn't install?
[04:45] <ajmitch> there may be a dpkg option like --force-confmiss which you can pass to apt-get
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, my fault, in trying to add a .desktop file
[04:46] <ajmitch> dereks: it's not something I've really done, so I'm somewhat guessing
[04:46] <dereks> ajmitch: ok, would i be yelled at if i ask in debian?
[04:47] <ajmitch> dereks: maybe
[04:47] <dereks> so i should ask in ubuntu :)
[04:47] <dereks> or is there an apt-get channel?
[04:47] <ajmitch> nope
[04:47] <dereks> darn
[04:47] <dereks> ubuntu it is :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> dereks: are you using anything exotic for authentication, like ldap or nis?
[04:48] <ajmitch> and is interface 'lo' up?
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, there is a patch on Debian BTS for regina-normal but the maintainer says a new version is coming from upstream.  Should I patch the current version or wait?
[04:49] <dereks> nope
[04:49] <dereks> and yup
[04:49] <dereks> lo is up and has an ip
[04:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: wonderful
[04:49] <ajmitch> does he say when?
[04:51] <ajmitch> since there was an upload a couple of days ago
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, he just says it's waiting for the KDE transition to sort itself out. Bug # 319993 btw
[04:51] <ajmitch>   * Uploaded for the g++-4 / KDE 3.4 transition.  Build-depends and shlibs
[04:51] <ajmitch>      files adjusted accordingly.
[04:52] <ajmitch> so a sync may be in order here
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, I dont see a new version on packages.d.o
[04:52] <bddebian> Jesus, can I ever get anything right?
[04:52] <ajmitch> it will have just recently hit the archive
[04:53] <ajmitch> unstable (math): 3-manifold topology software with normal surface support
[04:53] <ajmitch> 4.2-2: i386 ia64 powerpc
[04:53] <ajmitch> so it does show on packages.debian.org
[04:53] <bddebian> Isn't that the version we have?
[04:54] <bddebian> Nope
[04:54] <ajmitch> no
[04:55] <bddebian> I give up
[04:55] <ajmitch> again?
[04:56] <bddebian> It's not even humurous anymore
[04:57] <ajmitch> no, it's not humourous
[05:07] <dereks> i decided, after breezy, no more non stable versions for me!
[05:07] <dereks> and i iwll just hope backports is good ;)
[05:12] <ajmitch> dereks: so no helping out the MOTUs?
[05:17] <bddebian> You mean like I do? ;-P
[05:22] <dereks> ajmitch: i have been too long without a desktop :)
[05:23] <ajmitch> dereks: well you're the only person I've heard of with this problem :)
[05:24] <ajmitch> I've always had a desktop through the breezy cycle
[05:25] <dereks> ajmitch: i have since warty wasn't warty :(
[05:25] <bddebian> What is // in C++, a comment?
[05:26] <dereks> yeah
[05:27] <dereks> ajmitch: can you tell me what is in your .dmrc lconfig file and your .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config file
[05:28] <ajmitch>  cat /home/ajmitch/.dmrc
[05:28] <ajmitch> [Desktop]
[05:28] <ajmitch> Session=gnome
[05:28] <dereks> my .dmrc says Session=default
[05:28] <dereks> can that cause a problem?
[05:29] <ajmitch> it shouldn't
[05:29] <ajmitch> this box has been dist-upgraded from potato through sid, then to breezy
[05:29] <ajmitch> over a number of years
[05:29] <dereks> haha
[05:29] <ajmitch> and it's still going strong! :)
[05:30] <ajmitch> inclusing total hardware changes, where I transfered old drives into new computers :)
[05:34] <dereks> cool
[05:34] <dereks> i tend to reformat ever 1.5 years
[05:34] <dereks> when i can get a hdd to backup my stuff with
[05:35] <ajmitch> with debian-like systems, I don't see the point
[05:36] <ajmitch> I'd understand doing that with windows
[05:36] <bddebian> Except Windows has to be every 3 months or so :-)
[05:36] <dereks> ajmitch: i am soo used to windows systems, i guess i do it out of habit :)
[05:36] <dereks> though i went 4 years without windows
[05:36] <dereks> now work makes me have a windows laptop
[05:40] <chillywilly> hi
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:41] <chillywilly> was at work until 8:30pm redoing the networking on our T1
[05:41] <chillywilly> well it's actually not even in our nice office but at one of our branches :-/
[05:41] <bddebian> Lucky you :-)
[05:42] <chillywilly> I setup proxy arp w/ shorewall
[05:43] <chillywilly> so there's the external net interface on the firewall, the location's LAN, and all the servers are on the DMZ via proxy arp
[05:43] <chillywilly> fun stuff...
[05:45] <chillywilly> http://shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm#ProxyARP <-- basically it is setup like that :P
[05:46] <bddebian> Coolio
[05:50] <dereks> anyone here experienced with the .xsession-errors file?
[06:07] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:55] <ajmitch> crap, scummvm build broke on ppc just because dvips segfaulted...
[08:53] <pef> hello
[10:12] <siretart> morning
[10:12] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[10:13] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[10:13] <siretart> my first steps with baz yesterday: it kinda rocks :)
[10:13] <Lathiat> bzr rocks harder
[10:13] <siretart> in principle, yes
[10:14] <siretart> but I'm unsure how to organize source packages with bzr
[10:14] <siretart> a configuration manager would be needed, I think..
[10:15] <ajmitch> it can be done without it
[10:15] <ajmitch> you can nest trees in bzr easily
[10:15] <siretart> hm.
[10:16] <siretart> ajmitch: do you already manage your packges with bzr?
[10:16] <ajmitch> siretart: starting to
[10:17] <pef> siretart: hello
[10:17] <siretart> huhu pef
[10:18] <siretart> pef: I see you prepared a lot of debdiffs for GLU Transistion, I'm just looking at them :)
[10:19] <pef> siretart: and I'm working on the others, it's slow because some onf them are big c++ sources, takes times to compile :)
[10:19] <siretart> oh yes
[10:22] <pef> siretart: if anything doesn't seems right for you, tell me :)
[10:25] <siretart> the patch to opensourcegraph looks intrusive, but correct. I'm just warming up my pbuilder..
[10:33] <siretart> pef: regarding pong2, I hoped that breezy would have the same pong2 as in unstable
[10:34] <siretart> I couldn't see that time how gl/glu dependencies would be
[10:34] <pef> siretart: need a sync from debian ?
[10:47] <siretart> pef: no, I don't think that it is feasible. let's better wait for xorg 6.9 or xorg 7.0 in unstable
[01:01] <herzi> siretart: linda seems to be broken on the revu machine
[01:01] <herzi> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/valgrind-ppc-0509021940/linda
[01:02] <siretart> hm
[01:02] <siretart> tiber has   Installed: 0.3.8ubuntu2
[01:02] <siretart> thats the version from hoary
[01:03] <Mitario> hi slomo
[01:03] <Mitario> hi ogra
[01:03] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[01:03] <siretart> hi slomo
[01:03] <ajmitch> hi
[01:03] <siretart> hi Mitario
[01:04] <siretart> gnarf. hi * :)
[01:04] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[01:05] <slomo> siretart: do you know when sistpoty will be here again?
[01:05] <herzi> siretart: my hoary version throws that error too
[01:06] <siretart> herzi: aah. ok. then nothings broken on tiber. linda itself doesn't handle newer packages
[01:06] <siretart> herzi: the solution  is to run linda in breezy chroot, which will come with revu2
[01:07] <siretart> slomo: is it important? I could give you his phone nr
[01:07] <slomo> siretart: no... i just want to know if mplayer is fixed for him now ;)
[01:07] <siretart> ok
[01:08] <slomo> siretart: or if i must search for other solutions and get annoyed by mplayer again :/
[01:08] <siretart> :(
[01:09] <slomo> Mitario: did you ping mako again? ;)
[01:09] <Mitario> not yet today just woke up :p
[01:09] <slomo> ah, same for me ;)
[01:11] <ajmitch> yay, first *successful* breezy install on this laptop
[01:11] <siretart> slomo: mplayer http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9500/;stream.nsv works for me :)
[01:13] <slomo> siretart: for me it crashes =) but the audio isn't ac3 so this is another problem ;)
[01:13] <siretart> it crashes?!
[01:14] <slomo> siretart: yes... it doesn't like the vp6 win32 dll :/
[01:15] <siretart> vp6? whats that kind of videocodec?
[01:15] <slomo> the successor of vp3 which is the base of theora ;)
[01:16] <siretart> ah
[01:25] <herzi> what the right way to install an overrides file using cdbs?
[01:25] <ivoks> hi
[01:26] <ivoks> :[
[01:26] <pef> ivoks: hello
[01:26] <ivoks> pef: hi
[01:26] <ajmitch> hi herzi, ivoks
[01:26] <ivoks> ajmitch: ;D
[01:26] <pef> ajmitch: :(
[01:26] <ajmitch> pef: why sad?
[01:27] <ivoks> this is not a place for sad people
[01:27] <ivoks> we are all one big happy motu something :)
[01:27] <pef> some GLUtransitions packages does not compile
[01:27] <ivoks> community! :)
[01:27] <ivoks> pef: fix them :)
[01:27] <ivoks> let me guess...
[01:27] <pef> eheh
[01:27] <ivoks> stellarium? :)
[01:28] <pef> ivoks: aqsis http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/problem/aqsis_compile.log
[01:28] <pef> and others, I'm putting a note on wikipage for each of them
[01:28] <slomo> ivoks: as elmo said on the meeting: <elmo>  [...]  the all-singing, all-dancing, all-shiny MOTU troop ;-P
[01:28] <slomo> ivoks: ;)
[01:29] <ivoks> slomo: elmo hates us :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> haha
[01:29] <ajmitch> yes, we need to be angry people
[01:29] <pef> ivoks: and I'm not a MOTU, I'm not obliged to be happy :D
[01:30] <ivoks> he likes only angry people :)
[01:30] <slomo> ajmitch: i _am_ angry :P i hate mplayer... it always crashes :P
[01:30] <ivoks> pef: did you check debian's repository? maybe they have fresh version
[01:30] <ivoks> slomo: mplayer too?! so... which player do we have that works in breezy?!
[01:31] <ivoks> xine-ui crashes on right click
[01:31] <slomo> ivoks: everything gstreamer related ;)
[01:31] <ivoks> mplayer is... well, it crashes without any reason... it's mplayer :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> yay! I have 3d accel out of the box with breezy :)
[01:31] <ivoks> ajmitch: matrox? :)
[01:31] <pef> ivoks: I will check
[01:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: i915
[01:32] <ivoks> ajmitch: ah... :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> gnome-terminal is playing stupid though
[01:32] <ivoks> i finally have a working x.org with synaptics driver
[01:32] <ivoks> synaptics rulez
[01:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: i have 82845 on couple of machines... non of them have 3d
[01:33] <ajmitch> the touchpad is going *really* slowly for me
[01:33] <ajmitch> tseng had the same thing
[01:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: do you have alps/synaptic touchpad?
[01:33] <ajmitch> dunno, probably
[01:33] <ivoks> dmesg | grep ALPS
[01:34] <ajmitch> (**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[01:34] <ajmitch> [4294684.451000]  input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint on isa0060/serio1
[01:34] <ajmitch> wee...
[01:34] <ajmitch> I do
[01:34] <ivoks> man, you can make wonders with it!
[01:34] <ivoks> ajmitch: i have vertical, horizontal scroll :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> not working for me
[01:34] <ivoks> middle button in right upper corner
[01:35] <ajmitch> very nice :)
[01:35] <ivoks> 3'rd button in lower right, etc..
[01:35] <ajmitch> how did you configure X to work properly?
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: didn't work for me to, for ages....
[01:35] <ivoks> now it works
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: then it will work :)
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: do you have breezy's kernel or your own?
[01:35] <ajmitch> ivoks: not out of the box, which is what matters for me
[01:36] <ajmitch> breezy's kernel, of course
[01:36] <ivoks> yep, it's not out of the box...
[01:36] <ajmitch> I only installed a couple of hours ago
[01:36] <ivoks> it should be tough
[01:36] <ajmitch> it should be out of the box
[01:36] <ajmitch> that's why I have this laptop :)
[01:36] <ivoks> ah, you are in laptop team :)
[01:36] <ivoks> so, let's move discussion over there, ok?
[01:36] <ajmitch> not sure if wifi is really working or not, since the light isn't on, and the wifi key gives dmesg errors
[01:37] <ajmitch> sure
[01:41] <pef> ivoks: if a new version is available on Debian, a bug should exists on bugzilla, right ?
[01:42] <ivoks> pef: no
[01:42] <ivoks> pef: just ask elmo to sync it
[01:42] <siretart> no. not all bugs are imported
[01:43] <pef> siretart: because is on universe ?
[01:44] <siretart> pef: in generall, ubuntu bugzilla is only for main and restricted
[01:45] <siretart> pef: but as exception, we did the cxxtransition with ubuntu bugzilla
[01:45] <siretart> I think because malone was not mature enough for that that time..
[01:46] <pef> siretart: so in the future sync requests will be filled into malone for universe ?
[01:47] <siretart> pef: I don't think so
[01:47] <siretart> pef: but we dont file sync requests as bugs anyway
[01:47] <ajmitch> pef: are you thinking of merge requests?
[01:48] <ajmitch> where a new package is uploaded to debian, and we have to merge changes in?
[01:48] <pef> ajmitch: yes
[01:48] <ajmitch> ok, those were being filed in bugzilla until upstream version freeze hit
[01:49] <ajmitch> automatically, when MoM ran
[01:49] <ajmitch> I think they might end up in malone for breezy+1, because everything is meant to be movign to malone
[01:51] <pef> packages.debian.org is the right way to check for a new debian version of a package ?
[01:52] <ajmitch> yes, or packages.qa.debian.org
[01:52] <ajmitch> which I prefer
[01:52] <pef> ok
[01:52] <pef> and I just have to say to elmo "please sync this package "
[01:53] <ajmitch> yes, although if you're not a MOTU, I'm not sure if he'll do it
[01:54] <pef> :/
[01:54] <pef> there is a new debian version available
[01:54] <ajmitch> fixes FTBFS?
[01:54] <ajmitch> have you tested building the new debian version?
[01:55] <pef> will do now
[01:56] <ajmitch> no point asking for a sync if that fails as well :)
[01:56] <ivoks> right
[01:56] <ivoks> sorry pef
[01:56] <ivoks> i made a mistake... should've told you to test it first
[01:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: very important :)
[01:57] <ivoks> i know...
[01:58] <pef> I'm compiling it right now
[01:58] <ajmitch> hah, and not even using ubuntu
[01:59] <ajmitch> silly people ;)
[02:02] <ivoks> ok... cupsys takes only 100% proc
[02:02] <ivoks> why... :)
[02:10] <ajmitch> no wonder I'm running out of diskspace.. 1.1GB of IRC logs on here
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:11] <ivoks> #sex, etc...
[02:13] <ajmitch> pft, no
[02:13] <ajmitch> more like #ubuntu-devel, etc
[02:13] <Lathiat> heh
[02:14] <ajmitch> hm, a massive .ccache
[02:14] <ajmitch> which I never use anymore
[02:29] <pef> ivoks: debian current version compiles
[02:29] <ivoks> pef: you see
[02:29] <ivoks> pef: compiles with gcc4? are you sure?
[02:29] <pef> yes
[02:30] <ivoks> ok... what's the name of package?
[02:30] <pef> aqsis
[02:30] <pef> should I put a reminder on the wikipage of GLUTransition ?
[02:31] <ivoks> no
[02:31] <ivoks> wait hour or two
[02:31] <ivoks> elmo will sync it
[02:31] <ivoks> well, i hope he will :)
[02:32] <pef> ivoks: thank you ! should I ask you for every problem like this ?
[02:32] <ivoks> well, you can ask anybody
[02:33] <pef> ok :)
[02:33] <pef> so this operation is "debian merging", right ?
[02:33] <ivoks> it's not that simple :)
[02:33] <ivoks> but, yes, it's merging
[02:34] <ivoks> :)
[02:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: I only had to wait 3 days for a sync
[02:34] <ivoks> really? elmo did mine in 15 minutes :)
[02:35] <ivoks> oh my god, thats strange!
[02:35] <Mitario> elmo was just very busy the last few days :)
[02:36] <ajmitch> yes
[02:36] <ajmitch> as expected
[02:38] <Mitario> dunno
[02:39] <pef> ivoks: if I find a bug in a program (does not compile for example) what's the cleaver thing to do ? writing a patch or checking if debian version solves the problem  ? (and ask for merging)
[02:39] <ivoks> pef: fix it
[02:39] <pef> I think the second solution...
[02:40] <ivoks> pef: we can't merge for ever...
[02:40] <ivoks> :)
[02:40] <pef> mm how to know what's the best thing to do ?
[02:41] <ivoks> ogra_ will tell you
[02:41] <ivoks> he's best person for that stuff
[02:42] <ajmitch> ivoks: I prefer to merge rather than patch
[02:42] <pef> ivoks: so it's a case per case decision, no general solution ?
[02:43] <ajmitch> ivoks: there is no point duplicating work already done in debian, UVF exceptions are there for FTBFS packages for a reason
[02:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: sometimes (g++ transition) we don't have source to merge from :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> and we'd have to review & drop our patch when it comes to merge time
[02:43] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes, but pef was asking about the case of already fixed in debian
[02:43] <ivoks> if it's fixed in debian, then merge
[02:44] <ivoks> i'm just not sure how are things with freezing
[02:44] <pef> if a bug is fixed with Ubuntu version, is the patch sent to Debian too ?
[02:44] <ajmitch> pef: the patch shows up on a page, but the maintainer is not emailed or contacted in another way
[02:45] <pef> ajmitch: malone may change that, I hope
[02:45] <ajmitch> pef: maybe
[02:46] <ajmitch> it depends on politics as well
[02:49] <pef> are my comments usefull ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition or it is timeloss ?
[02:51] <ajmitch> pef: sure they're useful
[02:51] <pef> ok :)
[03:17] <ajmitch> night all
[03:24] <rbelem> morning all ;-)
[03:51] <pef> why some debian/rules have commented debhelper commands calls ? it takes place for nothing, can I delete them ?
[03:55] <siretart> pef: if you are maintainer of such a package, you should
[03:55] <siretart> pef: those are leftovers from templates
[03:56] <siretart> pef: when touching a package, I think it's better to keep the debdiff small
[03:57] <pef> siretart: but the diff.gz becomes smaller ;)
[03:57] <siretart> pef: I review the debdiff ;)
[03:58] <siretart> in principle you are right
[04:15] <tseng> Lathiat: ping
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: pong
[04:16] <tseng> Lathiat: you got a dell right?
[04:16] <tseng> Lathiat: what did you send for serial # to CVD
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: havent got it yet
[04:16] <tseng> ok
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: i suspect the service tag would be good perhaps
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: i8kctl will tell you it, it should be on th ebottom on a sticker
[04:16] <Lathiat> let me look on this dell
[04:17] <tseng> i have a service tag
[04:17] <tseng> and stuff
[04:17] <tseng> the serial must be much less obvious
[04:17] <Lathiat> the 'service tag' quite possibly si the 'serial
[04:17] <Lathiat> given its coded into the bios etc
[04:18] <tseng> thats what i was hoping youd tell me :)
[04:19] <Lathiat> its a machine-specific unique ID at any rate
[04:19] <Lathiat> so it would make sens eto me
[04:19] <Lathiat> brb
[05:47] <lsuactiafner> slomo : did you make 32bit static binaries for amd 64 to play back wmv files?
[05:48] <slomo> lsuactiafner: no... that's breezy+1 goal
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> it not that much extra effort
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> i put that bug report up about it and also made a hacked "package" effect
[05:51] <slomo> lsuactiafner: can you give me the url to the bug report?
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> will paste soon
[05:52] <lsuactiafner> remember, media on pcs is very very important
[05:53] <slomo> lsuactiafner: and i won't do it before breezy+1 ;) we plan to rewrite the package for breezy+1... only one mplayer package (not all the different flavors for different archs) with cpu runtime detection... and for amd64 i'll probably make a mplayer32 package
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> you'll need 32 and 64 packages for amd64
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> since sdl x11 xv has problems linking statically
[05:53] <slomo> i know
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> currently i use fdev to play wmv
[05:54] <lsuactiafner> ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/MPlayer-1.0pre7_32bit-for-amd64.tar.bz2 and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/571
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> but with gcc 4 i think it will be easier to make a 32bit binary
[05:55] <slomo> ah that one... already assigned to MOTUMedia ;) so don't worry... for breezy+1 you'll get mplayer32 and mplayer64
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> that will make a nice binary in gcc 4
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> cool
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> i just do the cvs thing every few hours but my static binary is too much effort to keep up to date
[05:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ping
[05:57] <slomo> it's just that i'm currently sick of mplayer ;) fixing the ac3 crash was too time consuming and the packaging by marillat is just ugly... i need some mplayer-free time ;)
[05:58] <lsuactiafner> ppl in mplayerdev might be helpfull
[06:01] <slomo> probably... but i really don't want to touch mplayer again for breezy except for critical stuff ;) i'll only update ffmpeg for breezy and then fix bugs where i find some...
[06:04] <lsuactiafner> cool
[06:32] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[06:32] <Lathiat> From #ubuntu-motu icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[06:33] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:35] <bddebian> Any MOTUs wanna try a REALLY lame fix for savant?
[06:46] <bddebian> Anyone awake? :-)
[06:49] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:49] <Lathiat> i need to get ipac-ng fixed
[06:49] <Lathiat> bddebian: i can
[06:49] <bddebian> Lathiat: I don't have a patch but it's just two lines of code
[06:49] <Lathiat> bddebian: i want source packages ;p
[06:50] <bddebian> Lathiat: apt-get source savant ;-P
[06:50] <Lathiat> ajmitch, siretart, dholbach, ogra: ping?
[06:51] <Lathiat> ok
[06:51] <Lathiat> what do i do
[06:52] <bddebian> Lathiat: me?
[06:52] <Lathiat> bddebian: yuh
[06:53] <Lathiat> and tell me what its supposed to fixor
[06:53] <bddebian> Lathiat: add #include "savant.hh" to hash_tables.hh in src/utils.  Also in /src/util comment out line 343, should be "cout << "NULL" << endl"
[06:53] <bddebian> Lathiat: FTBFS
[06:53] <Lathiat> ok
[06:53] <Lathiat> hangon
[06:57] <bddebian> OK, got another question (not savant).  quickplot has in public:  friend class FieldReader;   Then in private: FieldReader *fieldReader;  and gcc4 complains "ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'FieldReader' with no type" ??
[06:58] <Lathiat> err
[06:58] <Lathiat> probably just missing the declaration i guess
[06:59] <bddebian> Isn't that what "friend class FieldReader;" is?
[06:59] <bddebian> Hello Seveas
[06:59] <Lathiat> bddebian: no
[06:59] <Lathiat> bddebian: that declares it as a friend class
[06:59] <Lathiat> its possible this behavior changed a little
[06:59] <Lathiat> from having it also implicitly define it
[06:59] <sistpoty> bddebian: no, friend class makes fieldreader access protected/private members of the class with the friend definition
[06:59] <Lathiat> and hence why ti FTBFS now
[07:00] <bddebian> So in private: I have to re-declare it?
[07:00] <bddebian> Sorry, I don't know C++ for shit.
[07:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: err
[07:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: comment out line 343 of what file
[07:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Sorry, set.hh
[07:00] <sistpoty> bddebian: you need either to include the Fieldreader header or add s.th. like "class FieldReader;" before the class is defined
[07:00] <Seveas> hi
[07:01] <Lathiat> why does that need to be commented out?
[07:01] <bddebian> Lathiat: It probably shouldn't be but it causes a gcc4 error and all other instances were commented out :-)
[07:01] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:01] <Lathiat> interesting
[07:01] <Lathiat> what error?
[07:01] <bddebian> Lathiat: Or, you need to declare cout and endl I think.
[07:01] <Lathiat> ah
[07:01] <Lathiat> you need
[07:01] <Lathiat> using std;
[07:01] <Lathiat> or to make it
[07:02] <Lathiat> std::cout << "NULL" << std::endl;
[07:02] <Lathiat> i'll uh
[07:02] <Lathiat> comment it out i guess
[07:02] <Lathiat> looks like a debug fucntion anyway
[07:02] <bddebian> It's some pretty sickly looking code from what I can tell :-)
[07:03] <Lathiat> not quite sre how to test it guess i can try ;p
[07:03] <bddebian> Lathiat: BTW, be warned it takes forever to compile :-)
[07:03] <Lathiat> i guess at worst
[07:03] <Lathiat> it wont break anything
[07:03] <Lathiat> in theory :)
[07:03] <Lathiat> mm pbuilder needs updating
[07:03] <Lathiat> beheh i had one package
[07:03] <Lathiat> took 2 hour sto compile
[07:03] <Lathiat> i wa about to give up waiting and goto bed
[07:03] <Lathiat> when it finished
[07:03] <Lathiat> cept it failed, right at the end, on the link stage
[07:04] <bddebian> Doh
[07:04] <Lathiat> and i had no idea hwo to fi x it
[07:04] <Lathiat> (still dont)
[07:04] <Lathiat> mailed the maintainer
[07:04] <bddebian> I did that last night and my wife shut my machine off this morning.. :-(
[07:04] <Lathiat> said he didnt care file a bug
[07:04] <bddebian> Lathiat: For what package?
[07:04] <Lathiat> i forget
[07:04] <bddebian> Oh hehe
[07:04] <Lathiat> gclcvs maybe
[07:08] <bddebian> Jesus, all I had to add was class FieldReader; thanks sistpoty
[07:08] <bddebian> Damn I hate packages that don't already have a patch framework. :'-(
[07:08] <sistpoty> np ;)
[07:08] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:08] <Lathiat> pisses me off
[07:09] <Lathiat> should be mandatory :)
[07:10] <bddebian> I'm not even sure I know how to set that up. :-(
[07:11] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: cdbs or the plain debhelper package?
[07:12] <sistpoty> (if you can call it debhelper "plain *g*)
[07:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: I think it's just debhlper
[07:12] <Nafallo> bddebian: gajim has a good example :-)
[07:13] <bddebian> Nafallo: OK, thanks
[07:14] <ivoks> hey all
[07:15] <Nafallo> morning ivoks
[07:21] <ivoks> Lathiat: did you try that config for alps?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: yeh
[07:22] <ivoks> and?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: works fine
[07:22] <ivoks> ok
[07:22] <bddebian> Lathiat: I told you it takes a while :-)
[07:22] <ivoks> thanks
[07:22] <Lathiat> its similar to a set i've seen similarly suggested
[07:22] <siretart> sistpoty: pong :)
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: im fond of CircularScrolling however :)
[07:22] <ivoks> i don't see point of that :)
[07:22] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[07:23] <ivoks> Lathiat: what's with the CircularScrolling? what do you get?
[07:23] <Lathiat> ivoks: when your scrolling
[07:23] <Lathiat> if you start
[07:23] <Lathiat> you can then just spin aroudn the touchpad
[07:23] <Lathiat> in a circle or square or whatever
[07:23] <Lathiat> and it keeps scrolling
[07:24] <ivoks> ah, i see
[07:24] <ivoks> not bad
[07:24] <Lathiat> so you can start scrolling down then just move yoru finger around in a circle
[07:24] <Lathiat> or change direction
[07:24] <Lathiat> and it keeps scrolling
[07:24] <ivoks> in all directions?
[07:24] <Lathiat> well
[07:24] <Lathiat> clockwise
[07:24] <Lathiat> anti-clockwise
[07:24] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:24] <Lathiat> forwards
[07:24] <Lathiat> backwards
[07:24] <ivoks> ah...
[07:25] <ivoks> will try that
[07:25] <ivoks> i have one corner unused :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> well it has nothing to do with that
[07:25] <ivoks> it does
[07:25] <ivoks> starting point :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> nah
[07:25] <Lathiat> it just carries on from standard scrolling
[07:27] <ivoks> ok, i don't get it :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> so
[07:28] <Lathiat> you know how you use the right side to scroll right
[07:28] <ivoks> yes
[07:28] <Lathiat> up and down
[07:28] <Lathiat> you start scrolling down
[07:28] <ivoks> and bottom side
[07:28] <Lathiat> then you hit th ebottom
[07:28] <Lathiat> so instead of going up to the top
[07:28] <Lathiat> you just move yoru finger round in a circular motion
[07:28] <Lathiat> for an easy demo
[07:28] <Lathiat> just follow the outer edge of yoru touchpad
[07:28] <ivoks> ok...
[07:29] <Lathiat> work?
[07:29] <ivoks> i see
[07:29] <ivoks> yes
[07:29] <Lathiat> now you dont need to follow the outer edge
[07:29] <ivoks> it's like you have longer scroll bar
[07:30] <Lathiat> yuh
[07:30] <Lathiat> and you can keep goign around and aroudn
[07:30] <ivoks> yes
[07:30] <ivoks> nice, could be useful :)
[07:30] <ivoks> i'm so glad i got that synaptics working
[07:30] <Lathiat> its great when reading logn webapges and stuff
[07:31] <ivoks> touchpad is now almost nicer than mouse :)
[07:33] <ivoks> acctually, for me is better if circular is off
[07:33] <ivoks> since i don't lift finger when i'm done with scrolling
[07:33] <Lathiat> ah
[07:33] <Lathiat> i do
[07:33] <Lathiat> if you go directly on a sharp angle
[07:33] <Lathiat> it seems to stop
[07:33] <Lathiat> to try accomodate for that i guess
[07:33] <Lathiat> usually ends up pissing me off cus it stops scrolling :)
[07:34] <ivoks> :)
[07:34] <ivoks> it would be great if it would work even after you lift your finger
[07:34] <Lathiat> heh
[07:34] <ivoks> for example, if it would have one corner to turn it off
[07:34] <Lathiat> see thats like
[07:34] <Lathiat> using vim
[07:34] <ivoks> you read, scratch your back and then continue scrolling
[07:34] <Lathiat> not a good default for my mum ;p
[07:35] <ivoks> hehe
[07:35] <Lathiat> some guy was editing a file on my laptop
[07:35] <Lathiat> i said
[07:35] <Lathiat> 'hit 3x'
[07:35] <Lathiat> hes like whough cool
[07:35] <ivoks> hehe
[07:35] <ivoks> c5w would give him a heartattack :)
[07:36] <Lathiat> heh
[07:36] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:36] <Lathiat> i have to remember that
[07:36] <ivoks> what? c5w?
[07:36] <Lathiat> never used c<x> before
[07:36] <ivoks> LOL!!!
[07:37] <ivoks> r is better than cx
[07:37] <ivoks> but cNx is ok
 as in
[07:37] <Lathiat> whatever
[07:37] <siretart> is it vim?
[07:37] <ivoks> siretart: yup
[07:38] <ivoks> Lathiat: you are kidding me... you don't know for c(hange)?
[07:38] <Lathiat> i knew of it i just never really used it
[07:39] <siretart> was just reading strange commands.. not crazy enough for xemcas. must be vim *fg*
[07:39] <ivoks> :p
[07:39] <Lathiat> has anyone elses keyboard shortcuts stopped working since they made defaults
[07:39] <Lathiat> doesnt work in either rhythmbox or muine for me
[07:39] <Lathiat> used to
[07:40] <Lathiat> works in totem
[07:40] <ivoks> time to go...
[07:40] <Lathiat> ok next works in totme
[07:40] <Lathiat> thats all
[07:40] <ivoks> see you guys
[07:40] <Lathiat> ok seems next works in everything
[07:41] <ivoks> next, back, pause/play works
[07:41] <ivoks> totem
[07:42] <Lathiat> ok so for me
[07:42] <Lathiat> the defaults dont work
[07:42] <Lathiat> if i set it
[07:43] <Lathiat> which sets exactly the same keycode
[07:43] <Lathiat> it works
[07:43] <ivoks> :))
[07:43] <ivoks> can't confirme it, couse it works for me
[07:43] <ivoks> now, bye, really
[07:44] <bddebian> Lathiat: Still building?
[07:44] <Lathiat> bddebian: done
[07:44] <Lathiat> grr thats annoying
[07:44] <Lathiat> i accidentally set a shortcut as the right arrow
[07:44] <Lathiat> i changed it
[07:44] <Lathiat> but the right arrow no longer works
[07:44] <bddebian> :-(
[07:52] <HelmutG> Hi. Can you tell me what to do to get the debian package called slate into ubuntu?
[07:53] <Tomcat_> To make it quicker, HelmutG is the maintainer of slate in Debian. =)
[07:55] <bddebian> HelmutG: Put in on UniverseCandidates wiki page at wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:57] <HelmutG> Hmm. You tweaked moinmoin to force users before editing. I don't like this, can someone else do this for me?
[07:57] <HelmutG> s/force users/& to register/
[07:58] <Tomcat_> I could...
[07:58] <Tomcat_> Wait a second, I'll need to log in...
[07:59] <HelmutG> Ok. The packages can be found in debian testing and unstable as well as the download section of http://slate.tunes.org/ (which is currently unavailable). You can most often find me in #slate and mail me with suggestions or problems concerning the packages.
[08:00] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Can you give me any information? My sarge doesn't have a package "slate"... but I need some info to put in the wiki.
[08:01] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: sarge is stable. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/slate
[08:01] <Tomcat_> Oh right packages.debian.org.. should've thought about that. ;)
[08:02] <HelmutG> It should be easy to incorperate in ubuntu as it only depends on libc6 and ncurses. A simple rebuild for your distribution of these packages should work.
[08:03] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Check the wikipage. Is the information okay this way?
[08:03] <Tomcat_> ... whenever it's finished saving...
[08:03] <Tomcat_> Ah, now.
[08:04] <Tomcat_> argl... no, wait, I did that completely wrong.
[08:05] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: Apart from you messed up the wiki syntax, yes. ;)
[08:06] <Tomcat_> I corrected it... also placed it to the candidates, not the "being handled".
[08:06] <LaserJock> can packages that are not in Debian be included in universe?
[08:07] <Tomcat_> LaserJock: I think so. :o
[08:07] <siretart> ok, bye folks
[08:08] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: One problem will be that I cannot handle bugs the ubuntu packages as I don't have a machine running ubuntu. Some DDs told me about this problem.
[08:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes
[08:08] <bddebian> HelmutG: BTW, just so you know we are in a feature freeze for breezy so it probably won't make it into breezy
[08:08] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Well I myself am not one of the motu people... I guess somebody will do the maintenance on Ubuntu then and work together with you somehow.
[08:09] <HelmutG> bddebian: That's ok. I've got time. :)
[08:09] <bddebian> OK :-)
[08:09] <Tomcat_> Nice that you triggered the inclusion, anyway. :)
[08:10] <HelmutG> bddebian: See it as a long-term aim. :)
[08:11] <ivoks> Lathiat: ping
[08:11] <HelmutG> slate still changes a lot these days, so packages will be frequently out of date. ;)
[08:11] <LaserJock> what is the official way to ask for a new package to be included/updated in universe?
[08:12] <ivoks> is it in debian?
[08:12] <LaserJock> ivoks: are you asking me?
[08:12] <ivoks> yes
[08:13] <LaserJock> well, the one I would like updated is in Debian (just not the updated version). The one I would like included is not in Debian
[08:15] <ivoks> don't know :) wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[08:15] <LaserJock> there are RPMs for the one that isn't in Debian
[08:16] <ivoks> meaning they can't go in ubuntu
[08:16] <HelmutG> Thank you very much for helping me getting slate into ubuntu.
[08:17] <Lathiat> ivoks: pong
[08:23] <ogra> LaserJock, add the package to UniverseCandidates
[08:25] <LaserJock> ogra: what about a package that needs to be updated, but it is quite an update because the developers have split there program into a lib and the rest
[08:26] <LaserJock> scigraphica is the particular package I am thinking of
[08:29] <ivoks> LaserJock: you have phyisical scroll touchpad?
[08:29] <ivoks> fsck..
[08:29] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have phyisical scroll touchpad?
[08:29] <Lathiat> ivoks: hrm?
[08:29] <Lathiat> ivoks: "physical scroll" ?
[08:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have one touchpad?
[08:30] <Lathiat> uh.. yes..
[08:30] <Lathiat> since when do you have more than 1?
[08:30] <ivoks> there are tp with separated scroll
[08:31] <Lathiat> ive never seen that
[08:31] <ivoks> no?
[08:31] <Lathiat> ive onlyh seen them with a marked out area
[08:31] <ivoks> :)
[08:31] <Lathiat> mine has no such markings
[08:31] <ivoks> ok, that's what i'm asking
[08:31] <ivoks> sorry for bad english, i'm tierd
[08:32] <ivoks> Lathiat: i'm asking couse you said "the 'scroll' area comes far too into my
[08:32] <Lathiat> cool, this 'prelaunch' program is quite nifty
[08:32] <ivoks> touchpad area such that I keep hitting it accidentally"
[08:32] <Lathiat> seems to work well
[08:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: right
[08:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: the area in which using, causes a scroll to happen
[08:32] <ivoks> 1.5cm?
[08:32] <ivoks> 1.5cm is half of my touchpad :)
[08:32] <ogra> LaserJock, if you want any particular package in universe, UniverseCandidates is the right place... make a note next to it that its an update for a existing package... additionally its far easier for us if the debian maintainer just updates his package and we can sync it... did you contact the debian maintainer ?
[08:33] <Lathiat> heh
[08:33] <LaserJock> ogra: no I haven't, I will give that a try
[08:33] <Lathiat> probably more like 1cm i guess
[08:33] <Lathiat> depends where you measure
[08:33] <Lathiat> center of finger, end of figner, etc
[08:34] <ivoks> Lathiat: it's 0.8-1cm here
[08:35] <ivoks> Lathiat: you can resize it
[08:35] <Lathiat> ivoks: sure, but im talking about the proposed list of defaults
[08:35] <Lathiat> need to write a little calibration program :)
[08:35] <Lathiat> 'please run your finger all the way aroudn the edge of yoru touchpad
[08:36] <Lathiat> 'please move yoru finger down the appropriate location for hoizontal scrolling
[08:36] <Lathiat> etc
[08:36] <ivoks> eh...
[08:36] <Lathiat> cus ive seen some touchpads that are really really wide
[08:36] <ivoks> i know
[08:38] <ivoks> well... off to bed
[08:39] <Lathiat> sistpoty: we dont care ;p
[08:40] <sistpoty> Lathiat: i didn't find the setting (kvirc) yet, to turn this off ;)
[08:40] <Lathiat> heh
[08:40] <Lathiat> kvirc sucks then ;p
[08:41] <sistpoty> hm... probably, but i got used to some of its scripting *g*
[09:38] <Lathiat> tseng: reading that book, telling me *heaps* of cool stuff
[09:38] <Lathiat> tseng: like acts_as_tree ! :)
[09:38] <tseng> Lathiat: indeed
[09:40] <slomo> Lathiat: which book?
[09:40] <Lathiat> slomo: agile development with rails (ruby on rails book)
[09:48] <sistpoty> argg... what's going on with tiber.tauware.de? (the machine on which revu is running)
[09:51] <slomo> sistpoty:  it's dead :/
[09:51] <sistpoty> obviously...
[10:04] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off for today... cya
[10:05] <bddebian> Lathiat: Still bored? ;-)
[10:08] <bddebian> or slomo or tseng ?
[10:09] <crimsun> (definitely not bored)
[10:09] <slomo> bddebian: nope
[10:10] <bddebian> Damn..  I made a patch for quickplot but it doesn't apply on debian/rules and I cannot figure out why.. :-(
[10:10] <crimsun> depth? fuzz? offset?
[10:10] <crimsun> completely wrong patch? (I've done that before.)
[10:10] <bddebian> Lathiat: BTW, if you come back around.  Are you going to fix savant or should I make a patch?
[10:11] <bddebian> crimsun: Succeeded at 14 with fuzz2
[10:11] <bddebian> FAILED at 31
[10:12] <Lathiat> bddebian: so i built it
[10:12] <Lathiat> any idea how to use it? ;p
[10:12] <bddebian> Lathiat: Use it?  Who uses any of this stuff? ;-)
[10:16] <Lathiat> bddebian: yuh, exacyly :)
[10:16] <Lathiat> like i tried to test some weird package
[10:16] <Lathiat> and i just had no ide awhat to do with it
[10:16] <Lathiat> wanted some file ive never heard of
[10:17] <Lathiat> so i just assumed that its help message means its working ;p
[10:17] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[10:17] <bddebian> "If it builds, it runs" right? ;-P
[10:17] <Lathiat> heh
[10:17] <Lathiat> actuall
[10:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch caught me up on one of those
[10:17] <Lathiat> (where its not true ;p)
[10:18] <bddebian> Uh oh.  I'm already on his list.. ;-)
[10:18] <Lathiat> archer:~> scram
[10:18] <Lathiat> zsh: 19098 exit 255   scram
[10:18] <Lathiat> archer:~>
[10:18] <Lathiat> hmm. :)
[10:18] <Lathiat> so i have to pass it a
[10:18] <Lathiat> VHDL file
[10:18] <Lathiat> haha
[10:18] <Lathiat> "VHDL Obfuscator Example"
[10:19] <bddebian> heh
[10:19] <Lathiat> archer:~> scram test.vhdl
[10:19] <Lathiat> Processing file test.vhdl
[10:19] <Lathiat> Parse complete - no errors.
[10:19] <Lathiat> archer:~>
[10:19] <Lathiat> i uh
[10:19] <Lathiat> guess it works
[10:19] <bddebian> :-)
[10:20] <Lathiat> but
[10:20] <Lathiat> i forgot to increase the verzion
[10:20] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:20] <Lathiat> so i have to reget the source to make a debdiff
[10:21] <Nafallo> Lathiat: apt-proxy *s*
[10:21] <Lathiat> Nafallo: what about it?
[10:21] <Lathiat> oh
[10:21] <Lathiat> heh
[10:21] <Lathiat> i have a local mirror ;p
[10:22] <Nafallo> Lathiat: hehe. then reget is not that bad then ;-)
[10:22] <Lathiat> that said, it doesnt include sources, but at 150K/s i usually don't need to care
[10:22] <Lathiat> i dont bother mirroring sources cus i dont have the disk space
[10:23] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/savant.debdiff
[10:25] <Nafallo> hehe, I had a full mirror except powerpc in the old days ;-)
[10:25] <bddebian> Lathiat: We don't have to make a patch and apply it?
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: do you have upload privs?
[10:28] <bddebian> Lathiat: Nope, I'm not an MOTU yet
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: righto
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: so hand that to someone like ajmitch and ask them to review and upload for you
[10:28] <bddebian> I'm a little scared to be at the rate I'm going :-)
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: feel free to motify the changelog to put your name on it etc ;p
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: what rate? that fix looked perfect to me ;p
[10:28] <bddebian> You already did
[10:29] <Lathiat> nah i mean like your -- Barry <bddebian@woot> or whatever :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> oh and get whitelisted if your going to do that
[10:30] <bddebian> I am whitelisted so I do see those :-)
[10:30] <Lathiat> cool
[10:30] <bddebian> But just to make sure.  Can we patch the source or should we make a patch and apply it in rules?
[10:34] <Lathiat> bddebian: for things like this that dont have a patches/, i tend not to bother because then the fixed become overcomplicated, slamming a patches dir on top etc, the debian package format keeps track of our changes vs the original source for us
[10:34] <Lathiat> and makes more work to merge if we start playing with the rules files, etc
[10:34] <Lathiat> but of personal preference really, but thats my rationale
[10:39] <bddebian> Works for me :-)
[10:39] <bddebian> Baby wants to swing, bbiab
[10:39] <bddebian> Thanks btw Lathiat
[10:39] <Lathiat> nps :)
[10:39] <Lathiat> time to sleep
[11:45] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:45] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me where can I find default values for variables used by autotools in ubuntu?
[11:46] <slomo> marcin_ant: what variables?
[11:46] <marcin_ant> I mean default values for things like sharedstatedir, mandir, libexecdir
[11:46] <marcin_ant> etc
[11:46] <herzi> take a look into a generated Makefile
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ok, but these vaules generated in Makefile are stored somewhere
[11:47] <slomo> marcin_ant: these are collected by configure
[11:48] <marcin_ant> so I would like to know where...
[11:49] <slomo> marcin_ant: when you want to change this values add some parameters to configure
[11:49] <marcin_ant> slomo, and this is why I ask for default values :)
[11:50] <marcin_ant> slomo, if default values are ok then there is no point in setting them
[11:51] <marcin_ant> slomo, and I would like to fetch these values using some .sh script (not makefile)
[11:51] <slomo> marcin_ant: ah... i misunterstood you...
[11:51] <slomo> marcin_ant: what are you trying todo?
[11:51] <marcin_ant> currently I want to create some scripts to generate rules automagically
[11:52] <marcin_ant> a kind of framework or sth like this
[11:52] <slomo> marcin_ant: look at cdbs ;)
[11:52] <marcin_ant> yes I know cdbs but I want to create a bunch of packages with emacs things
[11:53] <marcin_ant> so, propably cdbs are not too usefull for this
[11:53] <slomo> marcin_ant: what kind of emacs things? and when they use autotools cdbs should be the right thing probably...
[11:54] <marcin_ant> slomo, in fact... almost everything for emacs ;)
[11:55] <marcin_ant> slomo, starting with emacs-snapshot and almost all lisp libraries availabe on emacs-lisp-list
[11:56] <slomo> uh... that's really much i think ;) why do you think cdbs isn't what you want? and when most of the stuff is really similar just copy and paste your debian directories and adjust everything ;)
[11:56] <marcin_ant> slomo, apt-getting cdbs
[11:57] <slomo> marcin_ant: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml in case you don't know that yet
[11:58] <marcin_ant> slomo, and yes almost all these packages are simmilar but my question was because the biggest problem is emacs package itself
[11:58] <marcin_ant> because it is pretty complicated and it uses few non-standard directories
[11:59] <marcin_ant> and I just wanted to know what are default values in ubuntu
[11:59] <slomo> marcin_ant: look at the existing emacs package ;)
[11:59] <marcin_ant> in redhat/fedora these defaults are stored in rpm config files...
[12:00] <marcin_ant> slomo, sure I got this package and emacs-snapshot package
[12:00] <shawarma> Question: Some libraries have got "c2" appended to their name.. What does that mean?
[12:01] <slomo> marcin_ant: other than that... look at the debian policies and FHS ;)
[12:01] <marcin_ant> slomo, ehh right


[04:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: 0/ .. slow now .. not much going on .
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> ill have a slow coffee then :p
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/critical-linux-kernel-update-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-patches-15-vulnerabilities-503786.shtml
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> everyone update asap :p
[04:37] <Bashing-om> I am working a 20 min boot situation - 16.04 - on the forum ,,, I was hoping the new kernel would resolve .. nope .
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: url?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> wow a lot of stuff patched
[04:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: To Go through the URL will need lots of coffee . Been at it for a week now .
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[04:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: If ya got the time .. another head is welcome : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2322135&page=10&p=13484908#post13484908 .
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> let me see
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> ahhh wily to xenial upgrade :p
[04:51] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. after some fiddlin .. seems the package manager is stable .
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ill skip thise one, alot of stuff going on
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i would go for the fresh install :p
[04:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah ... More than once I had made that observation . Still interested to find what hook where is causing this .
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: well for a 20min boot, ill perhaps set "quiet splash" off in grub, to see the text booting whats going on
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> must be a lot of stuff bottlenecking there
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> morning de-facto
[05:01] <de-facto> Good morning lotus :)
[05:01] <Bashing-om> Well, be nice to convince the poster to boot up a liveDVD and provide the logs of the last boot . As I have noted on a few ocassions .
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> !usn | de-facto update asap, spread the word also :p
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> new kernel flaws & other stuff
[05:05] <de-facto> erm yeah i need to reboot :)
[05:07] <de-facto> wow quite a list
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> yep
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[05:09] <de-facto> i wish no reboot was required for kernel stuff... havent redhat or/and suse worked out something kernel live patching or such they joined together? kpatch? is such a thing avail on ubuntu?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: morning mate
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i think hotswap was related to a specific kernel, cant recall wich one anymore
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: havent rebooted myself yet either :p
[05:21] <wafflejock> mornin lotuspsychje
[05:23] <wafflejock> just built one of these a few days ago super fun http://www.amazon.com/REPRAPGURU-DIY-RepRap-Prusa-Printer/dp/B011PVIMPW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01 had something short out and then after replacing the connection and hooking it all back up had a switch flipped that killed the arduino mega that drives it luckily found an old one in a box
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: seems cool!
[05:35] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:46] <wafflejock> yeah amazing that it was working for a day, one of the power connectors had a small gap between the wire and the connector that goes into the PCB so was shooting some blue sparks, cool when it's not doing that though :)
[05:50] <wafflejock> only like a $20 fix too Arduinos have come down a lot in price since last time I got one
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:26] <Bashing-om> Horizintal for the duration . later guys . G nite .
[06:32] <de-facto> lol is there STILL no amd64 build of skype avail?
[06:32] <de-facto> thats so, erm 90s
[07:19] <baizon> de-facto: skype for linux is dead
[07:20] <baizon> there hasnt been an update for years
[07:20] <baizon> i had to uninstall skype from my machine because nothing was working
[07:25] <de-facto> yeah i regret that i made an account back in the days, but it works for me (after pulling in ugly 80MB of i386 qt4 deps on my gnome :-/ )
[07:26] <de-facto> im still waiting for some cool open source replacements which get widespread enough to reach a critical mass. Tox and Ring seem to be promising candidates it seems.
[07:32] <baizon> de-facto: well im using the browser for skype chat... https://web.skype.com/en/
[07:33] <de-facto> the test call on skype from the xenial repos worked for me though
[07:42] <de-facto> although Tox seems to have more features, i think ring.cx is very promising... its the old sflphone SIP soft phone on steroids (with ICE and STUN/TURN/UPnP hole punching) on top of a DHT (so except for first bootstrap into the DHT there is no central point of failure)
[07:42] <de-facto> they even have a nice xenial repo with a gnome client
[07:43] <de-facto> advantage is that it integrates with gnome contacts and even provides a sip account connectivity
[07:43] <de-facto> but its still kinda testing, so things tend to break
[07:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:02] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/mark-shuttleworth-we-won-t-make-the-same-mistake-again-with-unity-8-503796.shtml
[15:03] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks reached 200gig?
[15:04] <OerHeks> Yes, 215 gb now .. not that many downloads recently
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[16:21] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> bbl movietime
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Let's see what I can learn today .
[21:55] <dax> 1.72TB uploaded here
[21:55] <dax> still people downloading regularly, but it's slowed down a bit
[22:01] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:43] <DaniKitten> Hi
[22:49] <daftykins> greetings
[22:52] <DaniKitten> daftykins, my notebook runs Ubuntu 14.04 slower that 12.04, why?
[22:53] <daftykins> because as i said it's a netbook that needs retiring. the Linux kernel has regressed on that hardware and will never be fixed.
[22:53] <daftykins> i've told you this over 4 times in the past.
[22:53] <DaniKitten> http://i.imgur.com/w7EJ0x4.jpg This is my netbook
[22:54] <OerHeks> netbook .. let me guess, poulsbo driver gma500
[22:54] <DaniKitten> And there is the floppy drive: http://i.imgur.com/hquluk8.jpg
[22:54] <DaniKitten> OerHeks, this is the HP 2140
[22:54] <daftykins> DaniKitten: none of that matters
[22:55] <daftykins> it needs retiring
[22:55] <dax> GMA950, actually. but yes, I 100% agree it should go
[22:56] <DaniKitten> I want to but a new RAM
[22:56] <DaniKitten> Thanks for the info.
[22:56]  * dax sighs
[22:56] <OerHeks> sell it as a paperweight
[22:57] <daftykins> that user is a troll
[22:57] <dax> 8 years old, in case anyone else was wondering
[22:57] <daftykins> nobody is this idiotic
[22:57] <dax> the netbook. possibly also the user :)
[22:57] <daftykins> hah
[22:57] <daftykins> age of netbooks doesn't matter no, they sucked at release
[22:58] <dax> indeed. i think we have a few sitting in the closet gathering dust still
[22:58] <daftykins> :D
[22:58] <OerHeks> i have a netbook too, the powersupply is the most valuable part
[22:59] <daftykins> i had one of the sony ultraportables, the TX3XP... which is now as useful, i set it up as a test VPN server somewhere recently... since 1GB of RAM and a single core CPU makes it useless for anything but server duty
[22:59] <OerHeks> nice with external speakers as an internet-radio


[00:50] <gnomefreak> has anyone gotten a bounce from one of y emails?
[00:50] <gnomefreak> s/y/my
[02:16] <gnomefreak> this bullshit migrater needs to not leave daily ~/.thunderbird-3.0 empty or atleast allow you to keep tb2 settings (only way to do this is to click decide later)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> either way both should be allowed to be preserved instead of replaced
[03:15] <ccheney> grr the karmic webkit causes problems when generating the enum file
[03:15] <ccheney> it does: #include <webkit/@basename@>
[03:15] <ccheney> oops!
[03:16] <ccheney> forgot to substitue the basename for some stupid reason
[03:16] <ccheney> there is another one in a different dir that seems right
[03:19] <ccheney> hmm seems to be something to do with GNUmakefile.*
[03:20]  * ccheney isn't sure how it happens though
[03:26] <ccheney> i can't seem to make the thing reconf properly
[03:44] <ccheney> asac: http://people.canonical.com/~ccheney/webkit-backport.tar.bz2  not sure what is causing this weirdness, its only in GNUmakefile.{am,in} but i don't see it anywhere else and can't determine how to fix it
[03:44] <ccheney> asac: it will be done uploading in ~ 1m
[05:10] <ccheney> asac: building it under karmic it substitutes the @basename@ for the filename it should be using
[05:20]  * ccheney sees if he can determine why this is happening :(
[05:21] <ccheney> ah i see something, probably nothing though, will see if this helps any
[05:27] <ccheney> ah basename is a special glib-enum thing
[05:27] <ccheney> er glib-mkenums
[05:29] <ccheney> hmm so i have to rewrite that bit it seems, looks around to see how to do it for older glib
[05:43]  * ccheney thinks he will try doing just the easy thing of backporting the current glib-mkenums (assuming that is easy)
[05:52] <ccheney> seemed to be a fairly simple patch
[06:58] <stefanlsd> anyone got any idea when / if xulrunner 1.9.2 will hit lucid?
[06:58] <micahg> stefanlsd: well, soon
[06:59] <micahg> just don't know exactly
[07:00] <stefanlsd> hehe. k. whats it waiting on?
[07:01] <micahg> testing in PPA?  I'm not sure
[07:02] <micahg> stefanlsd: you can ask asac in a few hours...
[07:49] <akaihola> In ubuntu-mozilla-daily/firefox, to get correct search engines in the search box, I still have to do "cd /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins;sudo rm common;sudo ln -s en-US common" after every update
[11:52] <BUGabundo_remote> fta:  are you experiencing chromium showing the gtk top bars? even when disabled?
[12:51] <asac> fta: 2010-02-23 07:42:26 WARNING     xulrunner-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100222r26773+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy_amd64.deb: Version older than that in the archive.
[12:51] <asac> +<IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100222r26773+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy <= <IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100215r33583+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy
[12:51] <asac> fta: should we bump to ubuntu2 to workaround this?
[12:51] <asac> hmm
[12:51] <asac> oh
[12:51] <asac> we need to drop the -dev package from head
[12:51] <asac> al right
[13:27] <sindhudweep> asac: you there?
[13:30] <asac> in #ubuntu-meeting ... really sorry.
[13:30] <asac> i will upload asap
[13:31] <sindhudweep> take your time!
[13:50] <gnomefreak> !info firefox hardy
[13:55] <gnomefreak> !info firefox karmic
[14:01] <gnomefreak> asac: abrowser is using firefox icon now or should it still be abrowser icon?
[14:01] <gnomefreak> see bug 526291
[14:02] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a bug, yes.
[14:03] <gnomefreak> asac: if you want if i have time today/tomorrow i can look at it and fix it :)
[14:07] <asac> if you want ;)
[14:24] <gnomefreak> or not :( i cant grab any branches
[14:25] <gnomefreak> checking with #bzr to see if it is me or not
[14:50] <gnomefreak> we need a way to keep tb2 accounts when upgraded to tb3
[14:53] <gnomefreak> without importing daily tb3 accounts. the only way to do this atm is click "decide later" but than it keeps poping up the import dialog
[15:03] <asac> gnomefreak: there are three decisions
[15:03] <asac> gnomefreak: press "import settings"
[15:03] <gnomefreak> asac: and all import from tb3 daily
[15:03] <gnomefreak> but doesnt keep 2.0 settings/accounts
[15:04] <asac> gnomefreak: ... no "keep tbird 3 settings" ... or "import settings" ... the latter should mean you keep the tbird 2
[15:04] <gnomefreak> only decide later will keep 2.0 accounts
[15:04] <gnomefreak> asac: they both import from the daily tb3
[15:04] <asac> shouldnt
[15:05] <gnomefreak> and leave daily 3.0 empty
[15:05] <asac> i dont see that in code
[15:05] <asac> gnomefreak: ls -d ~/.thunder*
[15:05] <asac> what do you get?
[15:05] <gnomefreak> ok ill try again
[15:06] <gnomefreak> /home/gnomefreak/.thunderbird  /home/gnomefreak/.thunderbird-3.0  << starting from clean 2.0 dir atm
[15:06] <gnomefreak> asac: i want to use "import settings" right?
[15:07] <asac> yes
[15:08] <gnomefreak> the "migrater" or what ever is poping up this dialog says "Do you want to import your mail and other settings from {tb2}, replacing your settings from {tb3.0} beta
[15:08] <gnomefreak> "
[15:10] <gnomefreak> backing up the 2 dirs. before i do this again. i spent ~2 hours last night working on this
[15:13] <gnomefreak> oh that worked better this time :) thanks
[15:14] <gnomefreak> ok back to bzr/ssh problem
[16:05] <gnomefreak> asac: ok tb2 was preserved however tb3 is empty  <<<not good at all
[16:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: ^^
[16:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: what  do you mean?
[16:06] <asac> gnomefreak: tb3 dailies dont exist anymore
[16:06] <asac> tb3 == tb2 now
[16:06] <gnomefreak> micahg: tb2 -> tb3 keeps tb2 accounts however it empties daily tb3 accounts
[16:06] <gnomefreak> asac: than there is no way to keep old tb dailies and tb2 accounts
[16:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: it should offer you which one you want
[16:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: you're saying you want to run dailies and prod TB3?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> if i choose import it keeps tb2 accounts but drops the accounts in daily dir. if i choose the 1st option it takes my accounts from daily but does not keep 2.0 accounts
[16:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: right
[16:08] <micahg> the folder is still there
[16:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: needs to be a way to add ALL accounts to it
[16:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: not possible
[16:08] <micahg> AFAIK
[16:08] <micahg> we don't do that for FF either
[16:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: right its abandoned. so you are telling me i have to add all 7 accounts from daily back to stable
[16:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: which one are you using regularly?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> micahg: daily
[16:09] <micahg> so why not just choose daily?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> the other one once a week or so
[16:09] <micahg> asac: what do you say to all this ^^^
[16:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: there's an extension to export settings and import...you could use that
[16:10] <micahg> if it's all IMAP
[16:10] <gnomefreak> pop
[16:10] <gnomefreak> IMAP kept freezing on me
[16:10] <micahg> ugh...I don't even think upstream supports merging profiles
[16:10] <micahg> _Tsk_: does TB3 support merging profiles?
[16:11] <_Tsk_> define merging
[16:12] <micahg> _Tsk_: take accounts from a second profile and load it into the first
[16:12] <_Tsk_> Not that I know of
[16:12] <micahg> like if a user has a TB2 and TB3 profile, to merge one into the other
[16:12] <_Tsk_> but I don't know everything
[16:12] <_Tsk_> No we don't do that
[16:12] <_Tsk_> so we probably don't suporte it
[16:15] <micahg> thanks _Tsk_
[16:15] <gnomefreak> i guess that means i have a lot of work to do
[16:15] <gnomefreak> thanks
[16:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: I know there an extension...
[16:16] <gnomefreak> micahg: the one i got last week to get folders from one profile to another doesnt work
[16:22] <akaihola> In ubuntu-mozilla-daily/firefox, to get correct search engines in the search box, I still have to do "cd /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins;sudo rm common;sudo ln -s en-US common" after every update
[16:25] <mahfouz> micahg, thanks for fixing the default theme in daily builds
[16:26] <micahg> mahfouz: no problem, it was debfx actually
[16:26] <micahg> mahfouz: which bug was yours that reported it, I couldn't find it
[16:26] <mahfouz> I was just gonna say
[16:26] <mahfouz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/500538
[16:27] <micahg> mahfouz: thanks
[16:27] <mahfouz> will you mark it fixed?
[16:27] <micahg> mahfouz: duplicatge
[16:27] <mahfouz> ah ok
[16:28] <mahfouz> thx
[16:28] <akaihola> it seems /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/common is a symlink to . (the current directory) in current ubuntu-mozilla-daily packages
[16:29] <akaihola> should link to a locale directory instead; pointing it to en-US fixes the search box issue (only ask.com in search box, can't add google etc.)
[16:31] <micahg> akaihola: which daily package are you running?
[16:31] <gnomefreak> even importing 3.0 settings drops all filters :( and the extension doesnt work as it should
[16:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: there's a separate filter extension export
[16:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: i know i tried it last week
[16:33] <akaihola> micahg: 3.6.2~hg20100221r33597+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[16:33] <micahg> try upgrading to this 3.6.2~hg20100222r33601+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~karmic
[16:33] <micahg> oops
[16:33] <micahg> w/out karmic
[16:34] <akaihola> micahg: I will.
[16:35] <micahg> akaihola: let us know if that fixes it
[16:38] <akaihola> micahg: problem fixed, thanks!
[16:38] <micahg> akaihola: great
[16:43] <gnomefreak> asac: ill look at the icon bug tomorrow
[16:46] <asac> k
[16:46] <gnomefreak> asac: nevermind micahg as it i guess
[16:49]  * gnomefreak phone
[17:07] <micahg> asac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-February/030290.html
[17:09] <asac> yeah. thats a mess
[17:09] <asac> too bad really
[17:10] <asac> micahg: have you tried builds that looked affected by the nspr thing?
[17:10] <asac> retried
[17:10] <micahg> asac: I tried one locally
[17:10] <micahg> I have to repush xulrunner up to the PPA
[17:11] <asac> yes
[17:11] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=24585
[17:15] <fta> i wonder how i can rate-limit the number of calls per second to given events
[17:15] <fta> in javascript
[17:17] <asac> fta: i would think that would be a engine feature
[17:17] <asac> but i doubt it
[17:17] <asac> makes any sense ... why?
[17:18] <fta> i bind mousedown/mousemove/mouseup and trigger a redraw of my <canvas> on move & up
[17:19] <fta> but that's too cpu intensive
[17:20] <asac> you need to do the rate control in your javascript code i would think
[17:20]  * asac lays down
[17:20] <asac> headaches
[17:27] <fta> got it, setInterval(draw, timer)
[17:31] <fta> well, no, it's worse, it redraws even when nothing happens
[18:22] <fta> crimsun, why is rhythmbox now taking 50% cpu to play a simple mp3?
[18:23] <stefanlsd> fta: do u know if / when xul 1.9.2 will make lucid?
[18:24] <fta> stefanlsd, nope, you should ask asac or micahg
[18:24] <micahg> fta: bug 523949
[18:26] <fta> fixed? hm, upgrading..
[18:29] <fta> pfff
[18:29] <fta> 227 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[18:29] <fta> Need to get 379MB of archives.
[19:03] <asac> crimsun: there?
[19:03] <asac> crimsun: there is something like ALSA play period size
[19:03] <asac> in twinkle
[19:04] <asac> that is supposed to tweak the alsa card
[19:04] <asac> however, it seems to not change a thing if i use that for alsa through pulseaudio
[19:04] <asac> is there a way to set that from outside through pulse?
[19:04] <asac> (background: i really get bad stuttering)
[19:32] <fta> kenvandine, each time i reboot, gwibber crashes when the session re-opens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382456/
[19:32] <fta> desktopcouch-service too
[19:33] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/382458/
[19:38] <fta> jdstrand, profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.7a2pre/firefox{,*[^s][^h]}" requested_mask="::x" denied_mask="::x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 name="/usr/bin/scim"
[19:40] <sebner> asac: fta : Is this a known issue that after resuming "suspend to ram" the firefox auto adress magic foo isn't working?
[19:41] <jdstrand> fta: ok. that is in kde?
[19:41] <fta> jdstrand, nope, gnome
[19:41] <fta> sebner, no idea
[19:41] <jdstrand> ah 'skim' is kde
[19:41] <jdstrand> fta: how did you trigger that?
[19:41] <asac> he uses scim
[19:42] <sebner> fta: then the answer usually is "no, never heard of it" ^_^
[19:42]  * sebner waves at jdstrand
[19:42] <sebner> jdstrand: mind pushing docky through NEW?
[19:42] <jdstrand> o/
[19:42] <fta> jdstrand, asac, each time i start ff, scim crashes on x64 (reeeaallly old bug)
[19:43] <fta> micahg, thanks, cpu is better after the upgrade
[19:43] <micahg> fta: np
[19:45] <jdstrand> sebner: redocky> the sum for the orig.tar.gz did not match the upstream tarball, and there was nothing in the changelog as to why, so I rejected it yesterday (email sent to raof)
[19:45] <sebner> jdstrand: I know, reuploaded 5 minutes ago ;)
[19:46] <jdstrand> sebner: oh, it didn't hit the new queue yet I guess :)
[19:46] <asac> fta: yeah i know ... curious, does chromium support input methods at all?
[19:46] <jdstrand> (I just looked)
[19:46] <sebner> jdstrand: LP says yes
[19:46] <sebner> jdstrand: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue ?!?!
[19:47] <jdstrand> cocoplum says no
[19:47] <sebner> heh
[19:47] <sebner> black magic
[19:47] <jdstrand> oh wait, there it is
[19:47] <sebner> :D
[19:47] <jdstrand> ok, I'll look at it
[19:48]  * sebner hugs jdstrand
[19:48]  * asac out again with bad headaches
[19:48] <fta> asac, i can type in japanese in chromium, using scim as input method. works fine in 32bit
[19:48] <sebner> asac: you know what mother would say :P
[19:52] <jdstrand> fta: can you add this to the profile:
[19:52] <jdstrand>   /usr/bin/scim ix,
[19:52] <jdstrand> fta: then reload it with 'apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-3.7' and let me know if that fixes it for you?
[19:59] <fta> jdstrand, i will, but as i no longer use firefox, it may take a while
[20:00] <jdstrand> fta: well, I'll update the profile for 'ix', if it doesn't work out, we can use 'Ux'. thanks
[20:02] <fta> well, i use it to test my html5 code, so maybe tomorrow
[20:03] <jdstrand> that's cool, it'll be in tomorrow's daily
[20:03] <fta> great
[20:03] <jdstrand> (should be anyway, I just committed it)
[20:05] <fta> asac, micahg: umd has lots of red :( same ones everyday
[20:06] <micahg> fta: xul192 is waiting for upstream landing of a test patch
[20:06]  * micahg checks the rest
[20:06] <micahg> ff3.5 we stopped pushing
[20:07] <micahg> ff3.6 doesn't exist anymore
[20:07] <micahg> tb31 I need to fix...
[20:07] <micahg> hmm
[20:07] <micahg> I missed xul191 breaking
[20:08] <micahg> xul191 apparently failed to upload
[20:08] <micahg> and that's it
[20:08] <micahg> fta: ^^^
[20:20] <fta> maybe we should remove the old stuff then
[20:22] <micahg> fta: k
[20:32] <asac> i fixed 1.9.1 now
[20:32] <asac> dropped xulrunner-dev ... we should keep building it
[20:33] <asac> fta: ^^
[20:33] <asac> micahg: ^
[20:33]  * asac out again
[20:33] <fta> asac, please drop what needs to be dropped, i've lost track
[20:34] <micahg> ah, I should've checked the build log...
[20:34] <sebner> jdstrand: thanks!
[20:34] <micahg> fta: firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.6
[20:36] <jdstrand> sebner: sure! :)
[20:37] <sebner> jdstrand: .. and I didn't need to tell you that slangasek agreed on not needing a FFe :D
[20:37] <jdstrand> sebner: well, you had it in before FF so I made that call myself
[20:37] <sebner> :d
[20:37]  * sebner hugs jdstrand
[20:38] <jdstrand> :)
[20:49] <kenvandine> fta, but later it works right?
[20:50] <fta> kenvandine, seems like it, but it's ugly to see 2 or 3 apports on startup
[20:50] <kenvandine> of course
[20:51] <kenvandine> there are desktopcouch startup bugs
[20:51] <kenvandine> being worked on
[20:51] <kenvandine> but we can handle that more gracefully in gwibber
[20:51]  * kenvandine will fix it tonight :)
[20:51] <kenvandine> i hope
[20:51] <kenvandine> just masking the problem... but we'll get the desktopcouch guys to fix it properly
[20:51] <kenvandine> :)
[20:52] <rbraupp> Ive messes up my firefox. It stopped working, I removed and installed but no luck. Help!
[21:00] <micahg> rbraupp: what is the problem?  what version of firefox/ubuntu?
[21:02] <rbraupp> ubuntu 9.1 firefox 3.5
[21:03] <micahg> what specifically is the problem?
[21:03] <rbraupp> michag: system pauses as if loading , but never flashes a screen
[21:04] <rbraupp> michag: seems to die.
[21:04] <micahg> rbraupp: firefox --safe-mode <-- see if that helps
[21:05] <rbraupp> got a response then failed (seg fault
[21:06] <rbraupp> glib warning g_set_prgname() called multiple times
[21:06] <micahg> rbraupp: can you pastebin the result of: dpkg -l firefox\* xulrunner\*
[21:07] <rbraupp> sure, one moment
[21:08] <micahg> rbraupp: actually, add COLUMNS=200 to the beginning of that line
[21:08] <rbraupp> ok
[21:10] <rbraupp> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[21:10] <rbraupp> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[21:10] <rbraupp> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[21:10] <rbraupp> ||/ Name                                         Version                                      Description
[21:10] <rbraupp> +++-[21:10] <rbraupp> ii  firefox                                      3.5.8+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>       meta package for the popular mozilla web browser
[21:10] <rbraupp> rc  firefox-2                                    <IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>          lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[21:10] <rbraupp> un  firefox-2-gnome-support                      <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> rc  firefox-3.0                                  3.5.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>              dummy upgrade package for firefox-3.0 -> firefox-3.5
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.0-branding                         <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.0-dom-inspector                    <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.0-gnome-support                    <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.0-venkman                          <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.1                                  <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.1-branding                         <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.1-dbg                              <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> un  firefox-3.1-gnome-support                    <none>                                       (no description available)
[21:11] <rbraupp> ii  firefox-3.5
[21:11] <rbraupp> DID I DO THAT PROPERLY?
[21:12] <sebner> rbraupp: pastebin!
[21:12] <micahg> !pastebin > rbraupp
[21:17] <rbraupp> michag: nice tool the url is http://paste.ubuntu.com/382534/
[21:18] <micahg> hmmm
[21:18] <micahg> that should be right
[21:19] <micahg> rbraupp: does firefox --safe-mode launch?
[21:20] <rbraupp> michag: no. It gives the seg fault.
[21:21] <micahg> rbraupp: can you create a new profile and try: firefox -ProfileManager
[21:21] <rbraupp> firefox:9168
[21:23] <rbraupp> michag: that worked! thanks a bunch..
[21:25]  * micahg would like to figure out one day what corrupts a profile
[21:25] <rbraupp> michag: So would I.
[22:58] <ncrfgs> hi
[22:59] <ncrfgs> I'm not using Ubuntu, but I'm trying to compile xulrunner
[22:59] <ncrfgs> and googling I came across this page
[22:59] <ncrfgs> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/30/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt
[23:01] <ncrfgs> configure: error: --with-system-nspr and --with-nspr-libs/cflags are mutually exclusive.
[23:01] <ncrfgs> I'm having the same problem
[23:02] <ncrfgs> got any idea about where does that come from?
[23:02] <ncrfgs> or how to fix it?


[09:12] <mikal> Hi. How do I determine what package I need in order to be running schema version 1038? I need that schema to be in sync with the MacOS client machines. The current package appears to be 1034.


[05:52] <oerheks> chromium is heading the wrong way ..  "Permit blocking of view-source" https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3260807
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> oO
[06:29] <tomreyn> and what triggered that was someone reporting that people are able to determine the correct answers to a quiz by inspecting the html source.
[06:31] <tomreyn> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=895462#c16
[06:32] <tomreyn> "Students are 'exploiting' the 'View page source' option"
[06:33] <tomreyn> maaaybe, just maaaaybe, the problem is not the web browser
[06:37] <JanC> LOL, that's hilarious
[06:38] <JanC> as if there are no other ways to see the source...
[06:42] <tomreyn> maybe on a locked down chromeos, or in an electron app on a computer in kiosk mode, there would not be.
[06:49] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[13:54] <wing> Where can I find people like me who do embedded engineering and use ubuntu as development environment? All people around me use Windows, I want to find people who use linux and to be or want to be an embedded engineer
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> wing: if you stick around the ubuntu community im pretty sure you will meet interesting users/devs
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> wing: maybe elaborate a bit more of your purpose so users can think along with you
[14:00] <TJ-> wing: ##kernel and #linux have a few who declare themselves as embedded engineers
[19:46] <JanC> places like #diyPCB, ##electronics, #avr, etc. too probably
[19:47] <JanC> just search the channel list for more  :)
[23:01] <VMGuy23> anyone else want an Ubuntu Unity?


[10:09] <ginggs> hi, what can i do about this? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/j/julia/xenial/amd64/ somehow it found enough memory to pass the test once, is it possible to forget that it passed?
[15:13] <balloons> Forget?
[17:11] <flocculant> balloons: got an ack for <flocculant> so 1 - install test, 2 - application tests, 3 - confirm (or not) say 10 bugs in a specific app for gci thingy?
[17:16] <flocculant> also - tasks can definitely be added after the 7th?
[17:23] <balloons> flocculant, yes tasks can be added all through the contest
[17:23] <balloons> and yes, the list sounds good
[17:23] <balloons> sorry my IRC has been dc'ing a bit, and I'm losing things
[17:24] <flocculant> yep - I saw netsplits all afternoon elsewhere :)
[17:26] <flocculant> ok - thanks - I'll get them set up soonish - also bringing it up in our meeting Friday
[17:36] <balloons> btw, thanks for the bugs on the font :-)
[17:41] <flocculant> :)
[18:14] <ginggs> balloons: sorry, missed your message earlier - did you see the issue i'm having with the julia autopkgtest?
[18:15] <balloons> ginggs, I saw something at some point, but I lost it
[18:16] <balloons> it would be best to contact pitti about autopkgtest stuff
[18:18] <ginggs> balloons: i will do, but do you know if it is possible to get CI to "forget" that a test passed?
[18:18] <balloons> ginggs, i'm still not sure what you mean by forget. You likely can't delete a run, but it could be deleted by an admin
[18:18] <ginggs> I think my issue is that this test normally runs out of memory http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/j/julia/xenial/amd64/
[18:19] <ginggs> but it passed once, so now it is seen as a regression
[18:20] <ginggs> it passes in debian https://ci.debian.net/packages/j/julia/unstable/amd64/
[18:31] <balloons> sounds like a better solution is to up the memory, or change how it runs to eliminate the oom condition
[18:31] <balloons> either way, I'm thinking pitti would be interested that it doesn't pass in ubuntu, but does in debian
[18:31] <balloons> that delta should be zero
[18:42] <ginggs> balloons: ok, thanks!
[18:42] <balloons> yw


[07:25] <frickler> hello
[07:25] <frickler> i have a question about the maas service
[07:26] <frickler> is it possible to run the environment ha ?
[07:26] <frickler> is there any tutorial ?
[15:50] <roaksoax> rvba: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+bug/1183807 --> that should fix the issues you were seeing on starting upstart jobs


[16:55] <hhhhhh> when will Lubuntu be using Lxqt? thanks in advance !
[16:56] <elopio> stay tunned hhhhhh
[16:56] <elopio> *tuned
[16:56] <elopio> we will start the ubuntu on air in one hour.
[17:01] <mirista> hello
[17:01] <mirista> hola, alguien que hable español
[17:01] <mirista> y me explique de que se trata esta prueba
[17:06] <mirista> lubuntu?
[17:14] <CoderEurope> join #ubuntu-community-team
[17:18] <tsimonq2> o/
[17:22] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu On Air session soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqiu9uC_qTU
[17:35] <CoderEurope> I am looking at the bug list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu
[17:37] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: This too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging
[17:39] <CoderEurope> Question:(for the show later) Wimpy of Ubuntu_Mate was looking at atril as a pdf viewer, perhaps it would be good to get the discussion going on today Testing session as to whether it is time to consider a wholesome change to Atril PDF viewer ?
[17:40] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: For the Ubuntu On Air session or is this unrelated?
[17:40] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, yeah for the show, today
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Hmmm, idk
[17:40] <tsimonq2> We'll talk about it
[17:41] <CoderEurope> Also Guvcview : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1185949  | I like the program.
[17:43] <CoderEurope> This is the biggest bug (upstream) with 523 votes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel-lts-xenial/+bug/1568604
[17:45] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, Whats happening with Character map ? Gucharmap ?
[17:47] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: I'm not 100% sure
[17:49] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, Also gnome disks is crucial & mplayer
[17:52] <CoderEurope>  Question, When shall the 33 'undecided' bugs be allocated the correct "Importance" tag ?
[17:57] <CoderEurope> kyrofa, Hiyas o/
[17:57] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, hey there
[17:58] <CoderEurope> just looking here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging
[18:01] <CoderEurope> I see the guys
[18:03] <CoderEurope> elopio, heya
[18:03] <tyberiak> hej
[18:04] <elopio> CoderEurope: hello!
[18:04] <CoderEurope> eloppio, cool stuff indeed
[18:09] <CoderEurope> elopio, Did you get those earlier questions ?
[18:10] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, I joined at the last moment, so I didn't see any. Feel free to re-ask
[18:10] <elopio> CoderEurope: please repeat them
[18:10] <CoderEurope> okay hangon.
[18:10] <flexiondotorg> CoderEurope I wasn't looking at Atril. Atril in the suite of uptream MATE components.
[18:11] <CoderEurope>  Question, How can I halp get the  33 'undecided' bugs be allocated the correct "Importance" tag ? on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging
[18:12] <flexiondotorg> Question, You're maintaining two images right now, one with LXQt and LXDE. Is that a long term objective or will LXDE get jettisoned at some point?
[18:13] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, Gnome Discs is critical as that where everyone shall fall back to after the 17.10 switch-over | Have "gnome discs" been tested etc on lubuntu 17.10 ?
[18:13] <CoderEurope> sorry that was a question to be asked on the show.
[18:14] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, got it
[18:15] <CoderEurope> Question |  Whats happening with Character map in lubuntu 17.10 ? called Gucharmap ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1183121
[18:19] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging
[18:21] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2 Thanks for the answer :-)
[18:22] <CoderEurope> Question : I watched the show from last 25th Jul 2016 and I enjoyed it. | But how is the progress of these bugs coming a_long since 11 months ago? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/KnownBugs especially the gnumeric license bug
[18:25] <flexiondotorg> Question Harold Sitter recently update the KDE frontend to Ubiquity for KDE Neon. Were you aware?
[18:25] <Casabuntu> Will Lubuntu ever use LXQT ?
[18:25] <flexiondotorg> If so, do you know if those changes are now in Artful?
[18:26] <CoderEurope> Question: Last question (pretty much) Can you do something in the ubuntu-wiki with elopio about lubuntu working on a gnu-friendly vitualbox for testing (with images)? as that seems to be a sticking point for n00bs.
[18:26] <flexiondotorg> Harold Sitter is KDE upstream.
[18:27] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2 Just thought I'd bring it toy your attention.
[18:27] <CoderEurope> +1
[18:28] <flexiondotorg> kyrofa Let tsimonq2 that I'm waving at YouTube ;-)
[18:29] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, I shall defo. triage in future for Lubuntu.
[18:29] <tsimonq2> https://www.tsimonq2.net/blog/2017/05/31/
[18:31] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: Yes, thank you :)
[18:31] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2 Great job!
[18:31] <CoderEurope> end of show ....
[18:32] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: Thanks :)
[18:32] <CoderEurope> elopio, Shall snapcraft office hours only be 30 minutes aswell - 'cos its really too short.
[18:32] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: Have you tried virt-manager?
[18:32] <elopio> CoderEurope: we are planning for 30 minutes, but we will go longer if there are questions.
[18:32] <elopio> sorry for not answering all of yours today.
[18:33] <elopio> CoderEurope: now, about that wiki thing, are you looking for a tutorial to install lubuntu in a virtual machine?
[18:34] <CoderEurope> elopio, yeah - I got this far - https://imgur.com/r/VirtualBox/BPWYBXu
[18:34] <CoderEurope> but there are other vitrtual machine mangers, right ?
[18:34] <CoderEurope> **managers
[18:36] <elopio> CoderEurope: ah, that looks bad. I don't use virtualbox, I use virtual machine manager.
[18:36] <tsimonq2> (aka virt-manager, which is what I used in my demo)
[18:36] <elopio> CoderEurope: http://elopio.net/blog/install-ubuntu-in-vm/
[18:36] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: That's a known problem that was fixed iirc
[18:37] <CoderEurope> elopio, I shall conteact you on rocket some time this week - but I've spent years not being able to test, either 'cos of lack of Ram or Virtualbox extensions ....
[18:38] <CoderEurope> elopio, oh thanks for the link, didn't see that.
[18:38] <elopio> CoderEurope: snaps are a great opportunity there, because you don't need a vm. They are fully isolated, so you can't affect your machine.
[18:38] <elopio> CoderEurope: whenever you want to join rocket, we'll help you getting started.
[18:38] <CoderEurope> elopio, okay thanyou.
[18:40] <CoderEurope> kyrofa, elopio Okay I guess that wrapps me up - haven't seen you guys in like ages | hope all is swell ....
[18:41] <kyrofa> CoderEurope, nice to see you around, too!
[18:41] <elopio> CoderEurope: all's good. Thanks for joining today.
[18:41] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: o/ :)
[18:42] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, oh last question : What *isn't* in Qt5 - that you'd like to see in Qt5 for Lubuntu 17.10?
[18:43] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: I don't know.
[18:46] <CoderEurope> Okay


[02:59] <mup> PR operator#868 opened: Decode stderr from _run() from bytes to str <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/868>
[04:00] <mup> Issue operator#869 opened: Design bytes/binary APIs for secrets <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/869>
[20:31] <mup> PR operator#861 closed: Secrets API <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/861>


[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:50] <ricktimmis> Hi /BluesKaj
[11:50] <ricktimmis> Hello folks
[11:51] <BluesKaj> hi ricktimmis
[11:52] <ricktimmis> I am trying to script up a way to launch an application installer for a mime type in a graphical way. As en example I click on a Blender file, but don;t have it installed, so I launch Discover but have it open up on Blender install page
[11:52] <ricktimmis> I got this far
[11:52] <ricktimmis> plasma-discover --search blender
[11:52] <ricktimmis> But thought I'd ask here, as maybe I am barking up the wrong tree
[12:09] <BluesKaj> after the new kernal upgrade GG the activities manager is trying to show assigned apps in all activities with no option to channge to a previously assigned activity
[13:15] <BluesKaj> The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu groovy Release' does not have a Release file
[13:31] <RikMills> BluesKaj: because there are no packages in it for groovy yet
[13:32] <BluesKaj> oops my mistake , not available for groovy, i should have checked
[13:32] <RikMills> BluesKaj: I have poked LP to hopefully generate a release file anyway. may take some time
[13:33] <BluesKaj> no hurry RikMills, i'm still dealing with this activities bug anyway, it's damn annoying
[13:36] <BluesKaj> the apps I've assigned to different activities in the pager are showing up in all activities
[13:37] <BluesKaj> even tho I have them assigned to individual separate activities


[06:13] <mlankhorst> morning!
[06:13] <RAOF> Aloha!
[08:57] <mlankhorst> finally to a point where I can check if things explode or not :)
[16:52] <bryceh> Sarvatt, heard any complaints so far about switching on SNA?
[16:53] <Sarvatt> bryceh: err, it hasnt been usable here on any machine, but no direct complaints outside of mine :)
[16:53] <bryceh> Sarvatt, is that due to sna or edgers or something else?
[16:53] <Sarvatt> every daily update fixes one bug and introduces another
[16:53] <Sarvatt> SNA
[16:53] <bryceh> hrm
[16:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, should we hold off on enabling it then?
[16:54] <Sarvatt> uxa is fine
[16:54] <Sarvatt> bryceh: until 2.20 for sure, it usually stabilizes for releases
[16:54] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: no surprises there :-)
[16:54] <Sarvatt> even ickle said he's holding off recommending people using it until 2.20
[16:55] <mlankhorst> wow
[16:55] <mlankhorst> I'm having fun deadlocking atm :P
 Sarvatt: just waiting for 2.20.0 before going nuts with people trying it ;-)
[16:55] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ok thanks.
[16:56] <bryceh> Sarvatt, is it worthwhile for us to keep testing it, or should we just drop consideration of it until 2.20?
[16:56] <bryceh> Sarvatt, and have you heard any eta on 2.20?
[16:56] <Sarvatt> in ubuntu directly?
[16:57] <bryceh> yeah
[16:59] <Sarvatt> bryceh: they usually do it right before mesa releases for their quarterly stuff, asking ickle now though
[17:00] <bryceh> 2.19 was 2 months ago, and looks like they go 2-4 months per release, so guessing it'll appear within the quantal development timeframe
[17:01] <Sarvatt> bryceh: errr
[17:01] <bryceh> however if it's so churny in edgers now, I'm wondering if it's just not going to be stable enough for us.
[17:01] <Sarvatt> so ickle is saying soon, very soon, as soon as he has a build fix for hotplug server changes
[17:01] <Sarvatt> guess i better start filing some bugs :)
[17:02] <bryceh> no kidding
[17:02] <bryceh> well, we can decide at alpha3.  But we got bit adopting the new 2d accel architectures too early the last two times
[17:03] <Sarvatt> totally, SNA seems totally crazy to me with how much churn it has still every single day
[17:03] <bryceh> yeah when you said that, it flipped a warning flag to me
[17:06] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hmm I guess the real question is, should we consider it FAILED for the 1-week edgers test, and cancel the alpha2-alpha3 testing, or should we give it another week in edgers, or...?
[17:07] <bryceh> I've got edgers installed on a couple of my machines and haven't noticed problems but haven't been using them much this past week
[17:08] <Sarvatt> bryceh: tough call, 2.20 may work better, but I'm firmly in the mindset that just having the xorg.conf option is good enough for now until its more stable
[17:09] <Sarvatt> (and defaulting to UXA)
[17:10] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I think that's probably the sanest thing to do
[17:12] <bryceh> Sarvatt, would you mind writing up a short description of your week with sna for the blueprint?  just mention the types of bugs you've encountered, and that ickle indicated sna wasn't considered ready for wide usage until 2.20?
[17:12] <Sarvatt> sure, digging up the blueprint