[00:10] <DanaG> aAH... I see what was going on:
[00:10] <DanaG> radeon lies in the log, but actually gets correct dpi.
[00:10] <DanaG> radeonHD is the one that assumes 96, and passes it on to apps underneath it.
[00:11] <DanaG> I also had to add tormodvolden PPA to get the newer-but-still-Intrepid radeonhd.
[00:13] <DanaG> soc isn't here anymore. :(
[00:42] <dookieface> Hi
[00:43] <dookieface> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu into my toshiba laptop
[00:43] <dookieface> it will load the options from cd
[00:45] <johannes_> hi, how do i get a n intel video driver (jaunty) on 8.10 installed, it doesnt show on synaptic...
[00:52] <DanaG> stupid nvidia 96 drivers... can't resume from suspend.
[00:53] <DanaG> ... and they also make the LCD flicker at what seems like 30Hz.
[01:00] <DanaG> bug 310126
[01:01] <andersk> That's my bug; what about it?
[01:02] <DanaG> I'm wondering why it's private when it's been fixed.
[01:03] <DanaG> (It does make good sense to make it private before the fixing, judging from the changelog that closes it.)
[01:03] <andersk> It isn't fixed.
[01:03] <DanaG> Oh.
[01:04] <DanaG> xorg (1:7.4~5ubuntu9) jaunty; urgency=low  * Disable terminal function entirely
[01:04] <DanaG> xorg (1:7.4~5ubuntu8) jaunty; urgency=low  * Disable terminal to prevent root access (LP: #310126)
[01:05] <DanaG> Well, once it is fixed, I'm curious to see what the report is about.
[01:05] <crimsun> ugh, what a horrible "fix"
[01:06] <DanaG> One idea: make it open a getty in the terminal window, so you still have to log in.
[01:07] <DanaG> And then get to anything else you need from there.
[01:14] <DanaG> Hmm, I think I will file a wishlist bug: "HID devices on USB sound cards should control the USB sound card, not the default mixer"
[01:15] <DanaG> Or rather, give a choice.
[01:18]  * DanaG goes off for food.
[01:19] <Andre_Gondim> i have one problem, i can't upgrade to jaunty, alway show this: W:Falhou ao buscar http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  partner/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[02:00]  * DanaG is back.
[02:01]  * DanaG is pondering what to do with the old cardbus audigy2.
[02:15] <DanaG> Some other random thing: changing gnome from 147dpi to 146 or 145 makes it look surprisingly different.
[02:18] <DanaG> Interesting: it looks like the ADI1984 may be able to capture two different audio sources, separately, simultaneously.
[02:19] <DanaG> At least, that's what I'd imagine it means, when I have two capture volume sliders and two capture source selectors.
[02:26] <Armagguedes> hey
[02:26] <Armagguedes> how do i update from 8.10 to 9.04a2?
[02:34] <crimsun> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:34] <crimsun> please note that if you use either/both of fglrx or/and Nvidia that you will experience problems
[02:36] <Armagguedes> crimsun, are those the proprietary drivers?
[02:36] <crimsun> in that case, you're advised to wait until a further alpha, or, if you're comfortable and familiar with apt-pinning or holding, then pin xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev (and possibly xserver-xorg-input-synaptics if you have that hardware) to the older jaunty versions
[02:36] <crimsun> Armagguedes: yes, they are
[02:37] <Armagguedes> what if i just use the foss ones
[02:39] <crimsun> then it depends on the hardware
[02:39] <crimsun> e.g., my Nvidia hardware only works with vesa and the proprietary Nvidia drivers
[02:39] <crimsun> i cannot, therefore, use nv
[02:40] <crimsun> if you have intel graphics or other hardware capable of being driven by the FOSS drivers, then you're safe to some degree
[02:40] <crimsun> of course, there's no guarantee things will work. It is a rather unstable time.
[02:41] <Armagguedes> hm
[02:41] <Armagguedes> when isthe next alpha out?
[02:41] <crimsun> 15 jan or thenabouts
[02:42] <DanaG> crimsun: don't forget libdrm2 -- another thing to pin.
[02:42] <Armagguedes> ok thanks
[02:42] <Armagguedes> i'll give this a shot anyway
[02:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is there any standard time between committing a kernel fix and getting it in the repos?
[02:43] <crimsun> DanaG: true, but i suppose that's only directly applicable to fglrx
[02:43] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/312721
[02:43] <Armagguedes> one last thing:where can i find the config file for the Kmenu (i need to look at the list of installed apps)?
[02:44] <DanaG> Fix committed.. but not yet in repos.
[02:45] <crimsun> DanaG: whenever the next upload is scheduled, likely in time for a3.
[02:45] <DanaG> Cool.
[02:50] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[02:50] <DanaG> Intrepid-Proposed has it fixed, but oddly enough, the 2.6.28 kernels do not.
[02:52] <Armagguedes> does multimonitor work yet in 8.10 or 9.04a2?
[02:58] <RAOF> Armagguedes: Depends.  It's consistently worked for me since Warty.
[02:58] <Armagguedes> i tried today with 8.04 andits bollocks
[02:58] <Armagguedes> ok thansk anyway
[02:59] <RAOF> Presumably with nvidia?  You'll probably want to run "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview".
[02:59] <Armagguedes> is that with the foss or proprietary drivers
[02:59] <RAOF> Proprietary.
[03:00] <Armagguedes> ok cheers buddy
[03:00] <nomasteryoda> RAOF, with  the nvidia-settings its simpler to make such work
[03:01] <nomasteryoda> just my experience
[03:08] <RAOF> nomasteryoda: With the xorg.conf generated by that command, dual monitors just work for me; have them plugged in at X start, and they'll come up.
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> that's a good thing to know
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[04:00] <JibbaD> I have installed some deb packages and when I try to install other software with apt it always wants to remove them due to nothing depending on them, did this recently get turned up as far as aggressiveness?
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> JibbaD, would those .debs be from the ubuntu repos?
[04:02] <JibbaD> yes\
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> i've seen the autoremove option
[04:02] <JibbaD> things like python2.5-dev
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> that is weird
[04:03] <JibbaD> I thought so too
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> but then again it is a developing distro
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:03] <JibbaD> right
[04:03] <JibbaD> ill poke around some more and file a bug if it continues to happen
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> would not make sense unless there was a newer version
[04:03] <JibbaD> well then it would upgrade them not remove them..
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> i've moved over to sidux
[04:03] <JibbaD> sidux?
[04:03] <JibbaD> is that the latest dev name for debian?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> another distro
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> its based on sid
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> with some tweaks
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> not as simple as ubuntu
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> but i still have my broken intrepid on here
[04:05] <JibbaD> what tweaks sid ran great when I ran that..
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> i'm not exactly sure.. .but i use a script called smxi to setup nvidia and add latest kernel
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> running
[04:08] <JibbaD> interesting
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> yup
[04:08] <JibbaD> I was just reading through the page a bit
[04:08] <JibbaD> not a bad way to see how sid is chugging along it seems
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> but the cool part in ubuntu is nice
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> the dkms or whatever it is called for nvidia
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> drivers
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> the live dvd is awesome
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> installs in 5min 35sec on this laptop
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> then the fun begins
[04:11] <JibbaD> damn
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> on my dual-core desktop took 3min 10sec
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> and that's a kde desktop
[04:13] <DanaG> JibbaD: try this: sudo aptitude unmarkauto the_package_names
[04:13] <DanaG> that is, list the packages you want to mark as not auto-installed.
[04:15] <DanaG> Heh, I figured out how to fix the blinking LED and the USB sound card volume control all at once:
[04:15] <DanaG> .... stick the control pod from my speakers on top of the sound card.  =þ
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, lol
[04:23] <DanaG> my speakers: Logitech Z-5300
[04:25] <JibbaD> DanaG: thanks for the tip but it still wants to remvoe it
[04:27] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:36] <JibbaD> DanaG: eh looking at one of them there are dependencies not met hence the auto removal so lets just go with "developing distro wait it out" answer
[04:37] <DanaG> if you 'sudo aptitude', you can get more info.
[04:37] <DanaG> aptitude can be run without sudo, and it'll ask for password later when you go to apply with 'g'.
[04:37] <JibbaD> yeah that is how I saw the flags on the autoremove ones..idA
[04:37] <DanaG> hit m (lowercase) or M (capital) on those.
[04:38] <DanaG> I don't remember which sets manual, but the two (caps and lower) are inverses.
[04:40] <JibbaD> yeah that does it but ill just ignore them for the time being cause I don't want to have to babysit them..
[04:45] <DanaG> Once either fglrx is fixed OR radeonhd or radeon get R600 acceleration... I'll be able to play neverball with the laptop.... and that is, with the laptop itself as the input device. =þ
[04:46] <DanaG> It's rather amusing.
[04:50] <JibbaD> hahah
[04:50] <JibbaD> good ol neverball
[04:51] <DanaG> And the lis3lv02d driver. =þ
[04:51] <DanaG> What a hideous name for an accelerometer.
[05:16] <DanaG> http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/anp/10807.htm -- datasheet for the chip itself.
[05:18] <DanaG> Oh, and random: http://blog.laptopmag.com/hands-on-with-hp-mini-1000-with-hps-mie-linux
[05:22] <ctkroeker> I just upgraded to Jaunty, amongst various bugs, the most annoying is that fast user switching is broken. freazes. even if I just use the normal switch user, it freazes. compiz is disabled.
[05:26] <DanaG> One reason I went with ATI this time: (radeon || radeonhd) > (nv || nouveau)
[05:26] <ctkroeker> I have an onboard intel card
[05:27] <Armagguedes> hello
[05:28] <Armagguedes> if i do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d", is there any way to have some sort of verbose mode?
[05:28] <Armagguedes> because i assume it starts downloading the packages but only shows a blinking cursor
[05:31] <Armagguedes> nevermind
[05:31] <Armagguedes> bug
[05:31] <Armagguedes> it shows now
[05:31] <Armagguedes> IT MUST SNEAKY WINDOWS CODE =)
[05:39] <DanaG> Is there a way to prevent Xorg from grabbing a certain device?
[08:07] <somaunn> hello people
[08:08] <rww> somaunn: evening again! Now, what was it you wanted to know about Jaunty?
[08:11] <somaunn> every thing that can help me
[08:11] <somaunn> cause i want to be a part of ubuntu progress
[08:12] <somaunn> i want to contribute
[08:12] <somaunn> and sometime it's a little bit difficult to find info
[08:14] <x1250> somaunn, what do you need?
[08:16] <somaunn> what is bazaar, really
[08:17] <x1250> haven't used it.
[08:17] <somaunn> is it a concurent technology of packagekit ?
[08:19] <x1250> are you bored? :P
[08:21] <somaunn> no
[08:22] <somaunn> the thing is i want to know more on what going on ubuntu from now till the next release
[08:22] <somaunn> you see
[08:23] <somaunn> cuz i want ubuntu to be main OS in my Job
[08:24] <somaunn> i mean in my work place
[08:25] <x1250> somaunn, if you want to participate, then install jaunty. Also, you can always contribute on launchpad.net with bug reports.
[08:27] <somaunn> ok
[08:28] <x1250> somaunn, this is the jaunty forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=352
[08:28] <somaunn> i saw the alpha of jaunty just now and i'll try to down
[08:28] <somaunn> it
[08:29] <x1250> somaunn, try it, but I remember not long ago people complained because it was buggy. If it doesn't work, you can always install intrepid and do a: update-manager -d
[08:32] <somaunn> thanks
[08:36] <somaunn> i hav intrepid
[08:37] <x1250> somaunn, you can upgrade using update-manager -d, if you want
[08:37] <somaunn> & now i want to build a mirror cuz it has many problem
[08:38] <somaunn> by upgrading or downloading softs
[08:38] <somaunn> here in south africa
[09:52] <CarlFK> I just read man apt_preferences - kinda lost.  how do I pin https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xorg/1:7.4~5ubuntu3
[09:58] <x1250> CarlFK, try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html, section 3.10. Also, holding the package may do what you want. Like $ aptitude hold mypackage
[09:59] <somaunn> problem installing realplayer11
[10:03] <CarlFK> x1250: what's the difference between pin and hold?
[10:07] <x1250> CarlFK, hold will make the package hold its version between upgrades. It makes the package not upgradeable.
[10:09] <CarlFK> thanks
[10:20] <CarlFK> Package:  xserver-xorg; Pin: version 1.5.3-1ubuntu1 - apt-cache policy xserver-xorg;
[10:20] <CarlFK>   Package pin: (not found)
[10:21] <CarlFK> why does it say (not found)? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.5.3-1ubuntu1
[10:21] <CarlFK> do I need the 2: for version?
[10:28] <x1250> pastebin the file
[10:30] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/105519/
[10:35] <x1250> CarlFK, you say you want Pin: version 1.5.3-1ubuntu1 for xserver-xorg-core, which is ok, but from where do you want to get that version? Current version is 2:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3, and thats the version in the repos. If you want 1.5.3, you must provide a path (repo) to that version.
[10:35] <CarlFK> hmm, xserver-xorg isn't xorg-server/2:1.5.3-1ubuntu1
[10:37] <CarlFK> I am trying to get nvida working, yesterday someone here said: it works fine with the current fglrx & nvidia drivers if you pin to the previous versions of xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, 7.4~5ubuntu5, 1.5.3-1ubuntu1, 2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6, respectively
[10:38] <x1250> are those intrepid versions?
[10:39] <CarlFK> i got the feeling they were built for jaunty
[10:44] <CarlFK> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xorg/1:7.4~5ubuntu5
[10:44] <CarlFK> but that says xorg, not xserver-xorg - same thing?
[10:46] <x1250> afaik you can only get the current version from the repos, unless I am very wrong.
[10:49] <x1250> CarlFK, again, afaik you need _another_ repo with the version you want to pin.
[10:51] <CarlFK> yeah, I see what you mean
[10:52] <CarlFK> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/  if it isn't in there, I cant get it from there :)
[11:25] <vega> upgrade from 8.10 to jaunty on a dell latitude d610 on its way.. we'll see what happens
[12:26] <x1250> vega, good luck :)
[12:28] <DomiX> hi, does someone use jaunty and Xorg? It does not work with vmware, I just get a blank screen
[12:35] <x1250> DomiX, maybe related to this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/301463
[12:37] <vega> x1250: upgrade done, everything seems to work
[12:38] <vega> there was a few errors about vim-* packages but other than that nothing
[12:39] <x1250> vega, great to know. Did you use update-manager -d ?
[12:39] <vega> yes
[12:39] <mvo> vega: could you make the upgrade logs available with the vim failures? I would be interessted to have a look
[12:39] <vega> sure, what's the log file?
[12:44] <DomiX> x1250: it was working on 8.10, btw I update my 8.10 to 9.04
[12:44] <DomiX> updated*
[12:45] <x1250> DomiX, I think the guys at ubuntuforums.org had a related discussion, but I'm not really sure.
[12:47] <DomiX> ok, I will take a look, thanks
[12:48] <x1250> DomiX, the jaunty forum is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=352
[13:56] <punkrockguy318> How can I install the nvidia drivers in 9.04?
[17:53] <Sonicadvance1> I'm having a problem trying to install a vmware product, when I run the bundle file it says "/VMware-Player-2.5.1-126130.x86_64.bundle: line 288: /vmware-installer: No such file or directory" Has anyone figured out how to fix this?
[18:57] <Supersaiyan_IV> Has anyone here tried Nvidia VDPAU with ffh264vdpau codec with any success? (Nvidia driver v180.18)
[19:29] <Armagguedes> hello
[19:29] <Armagguedes> where do i report jaunty bugs?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> Armagguedes: hi
[19:29] <BUGabundo> Armagguedes: for ubuntu?
[19:30] <Armagguedes> kubuntu
[19:30] <BUGabundo> just mention the package version
[19:30] <BUGabundo> best way to do it: ubuntu-bugs -p PACKAGE
[19:30] <Armagguedes> i don't know the package
[19:31] <Armagguedes> for instances, my panel doesnt work
[19:31] <Armagguedes> it doesn't show window icons and all icons (tray, recycle bin, kmenu are moved to the left hand side and i cant move them around)
[19:31] <BUGabundo> let me check for it
[19:32] <BUGabundo> I don't use Kubuntu
[19:32] <BUGabundo> so I'm a bit way from my "safe waters"
[19:33] <Armagguedes> also, after i upgraded the system was fine, but after rebooting it got REALLY slow
[19:34] <BUGabundo> Armagguedes: what GPU?
[19:36] <Armagguedes> nvidia 8600 mobile
[19:36] <Armagguedes> i think
[19:36] <Armagguedes> but i'm using the foss drivers
[19:37] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:37] <BUGabundo> there are currently no support for Proprietary driver anyway
[19:37] <BUGabundo> I haven't upgraded xorg 'cause of that
[19:37] <Armagguedes> i wasnt thinking of using prop drivers anyway
[19:38] <Armagguedes> i just think its weird it worked superfine after upgrading but before rebooting
[19:41] <Armagguedes> anyway, how can i report bugs (especially when i don't know what the problem package is)?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> there is a command that will help you find the package
[19:44] <_Zeus_> I can't install nvidia-glx-180 in jaunty, any idea why?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> but I can't remmber it from head
[19:44] <BUGabundo> _Zeus_: no support for proprietary driver at current time
[19:44] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/100530/
[19:44] <_Zeus_> BUGabundo: any workarounds that you know of?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> xorg was updated but no suport from drivers yet
[19:45] <BUGabundo> _Zeus_: downgrade xord
[19:45] <BUGabundo> *xorg
[19:45] <_Zeus_> i will try that
[19:45] <_Zeus_> thank you
[19:45] <_Zeus_> how do i do that?  get a package from packages.ubuntu.com?
[19:45] <_Zeus_> the intrepid one?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> synaptic and force older version
[19:46] <BUGabundo> by presing ctrl+f
[19:48] <_Zeus_> only one version available
[19:48] <_Zeus_> 1:7.4~5ubuntu9
[19:49] <BUGabundo> humm try from LP source
[20:00] <_Zeus_> as in code.launchpad.net/xorg?
[20:00] <BUGabundo> no
[20:00] <BUGabundo> lp.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg or something
[20:03] <_Zeus_> ok, found it
[20:03] <_Zeus_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/xorg/1:7.4~5ubuntu3
[20:03] <_Zeus_> now i have to compile it i take it
[20:14] <_Zeus_> How can I install what I dowloaded?
[20:19] <pop79> is 9.04 stabe enough for me to try and test?
[20:19] <_Zeus_> probably not
[20:19] <Unksi> if you have to ask, no
[20:20] <pop79> so, i shouldnt upgrade?
[20:20] <Unksi> its not stable until april
[20:21] <pop79> are there any developers here?
[20:29] <Armagguedes> how do i choose between graphical manager (kdm or gdm)?
[20:30] <Armagguedes> i want kde to use kdm and xubuntu to use gdm
[20:31] <andersk> Try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[20:31] <Supersaiyan_IV> Has anyone here tried Nvidia VDPAU with ffh264vdpau codec with any success? (Nvidia BETA driver v180.18)
[20:34] <marco> will Vista's UDF 2.5 formatted optical media be supported on Jaunty?
[20:55] <Sonicadvance1> I'm having a problem trying to install a vmware product, when I run the bundle file it says "/VMware-Player-2.5.1-126130.x86_64.bundle: line 288: /vmware-installer: No such file or directory" Has anyone figured out how to fix this?
[21:34] <Sonicadvance1> I seem to have a problem with my tmp folder
[21:34] <Sonicadvance1> overflow              1.0M  124K  900K  13% /tmp
[21:34] <Sonicadvance1> Only 1MB?
[21:40] <pop79> not much talking goes on here, eh?
[22:19] <DanaG> yay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/267875
[22:22] <DanaG> yay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/250938
[22:22] <DanaG> yay as in yay, it's fixed.
[22:28] <DanaG> back out switch to native 64-bit Flash?  Why?
[22:37] <Supersaiyan_IV> DanaG, yay indeed, especially iwlagn
[22:49] <crimsun> DanaG: i've already discussed that issue
[22:49] <crimsun> DanaG: essentially, it appears the community-supported flashplugin-nonfree will always be wrapped using nspluginwrapper (and thus will use the 32-bit one)
[22:50] <crimsun> DanaG: the Adobe-supported adobe-flashplugin will install native plugins without nspluginwrapper
[22:50] <DanaG> Oh, I see... those two packages are now different.
[22:50] <DanaG> I didn't realize that before.
[22:50] <crimsun> there will be a bit of a gap until adobe-flashplugin actually offers a release, supported 64-bit version
[22:51] <crimsun> Adobe's redistribution terms require actual release, supported versions, not alpha/beta/RC
[22:53] <DanaG> Aah.
[22:54] <DanaG> Oh wait... so since the 64-bit native is still beta, it won't be using that one for now?
[23:00] <DanaG> crimsun: is there a way to do the equivalent of this, but have it load whenever the device appears instead of just at start?  :
[23:00] <DanaG> load-module  module-mmkbd-evdev device=/dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:1d.2-usb-0:1:1.3-event-  sink=alsa_output.usb_device_10f5_200_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0
[23:01] <DanaG> And can the device= part use wildcards?
[23:01] <Delvien> !dist
[23:01] <Delvien> !jaunty
[23:02] <crimsun> DanaG: don't know offhand if there are such triggers
[23:02] <DanaG> I made a combination of a udev rule and a hal fdi file to free up the input device and make it readable by all.  (I see no danger in letting all users read from a keyboard with only volume-up, volume-down, and mute.  =þ
[23:06] <Delvien> hmm, seems a meta-index file is "malformed" when updating.
[23:06] <Delvien> W:Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  partner/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[23:08] <crimsun> Delvien: makes sense. jaunty-security doesn't mean anything since jaunty isn't even released.
[23:09] <Delvien> crimsun :D , doesnt complete the upgrade though, no other error messages :x
[23:10] <DanaG> Yay, now I can volume-control my two devices separately.
[23:10] <DanaG> There's still that LED, though.... /me slaps "Voyetra Turtle Beach" for thinking a sound card needs to BLINK.
[23:11] <Delvien> Guess I can try just DLing the CD and mounting the iso
[23:14] <Delvien> crimsun is there anyway to skip that index file ?
[23:16] <Delvien> looks like a random "bug" since 12-31-08
[23:17] <Delvien> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/55949
[23:26] <ym1> hello happy new year
[23:27] <ym1> I would like to make myself a present, a laptop that just work under ubuntu+1
[23:27] <ym1> suspend/resume included  :-)
[23:28] <ym1> There is several contenders on my list : system 76 (gazelle or pengolin), lenovo (T500)  and dell (xps)
[23:29] <ym1> I would like to know first if I am missing an excellent laptop ? and then get some feedback from users of one of these 3 laptops.
[23:32] <x1250> ym1, you're asking too much for alpha software?
[23:33] <x1250> ym1, take a look to the dell forum for ubuntu stable: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342
[23:39] <ym1> x1250: ok thank you
[23:39] <ym1> I am going to ask on #ubuntu
[23:40] <ym1> I am assuming that if the current version works it will be the same for the next one
[23:40] <x1250> ym1, that should be the case.


[10:51] <sagaci> hi, just in reference to the latest email to launchpad-translators, I've just drafted an email reply at http://paste.ubuntu.com/811712/ ... if anyone is around, could you just skim over it to proof-read and make sure I'm pointing him in the right direction?
[11:27] <trijntje> sagaci: looks ok. Though I think launchpad-translator teams are required to be moderated
[11:29] <trijntje> lol, royally late reply, nevermind then ;)
[11:40] <sagaci> sorry, I wasn't sure if anyone was going to answer


[04:27] <ds305> Is there an offline editor for editing/creating wiki pages?
[04:27] <nhasian> hey you beat me to the question
[04:27] <ds305> Ok, it's nhasian's question.  I just typed faster...
[04:28] <nhandler_> ds305: There is editmoin
[04:28] <nhasian> i created a brand new How-To that i want to add to help.ubuntu.com but i really dont want to have to do all the wiki editing by hand
[04:28] <ds305> ty nhandler. looking to see if it's in the repos.
[04:29] <ds305> Yes, in synaptic. Thanks.
[04:29] <nhandler_> You're welcome ds305. Just make sure your environment variables are correctly set so that it uses the correct editor
[04:29] <ds305> I'm dl'ing it now.
[04:29] <nhasian> me too
[04:31] <ds305> I'm reading the man page but I'll have to spend some time tomorrow figuring it out.
[04:32] <nhandler_> ds305: It can be a little confusing at first when you are getting it configured. After that, it is really easy to use.
[04:33] <ds305> nhandler_: can you view the page or only see the code?
[04:33] <duanedesign> nhandler_: have you,, or anyone you know, ever succesfully made a DocBook file from a wiki page?
[04:33] <duanedesign> more specifically from the ubuntu wiki
[04:34] <nhandler> duanedesign: There are tools that can go from moinmoin -> docbook, but afaik, none of them work too well. There is a discussion on the mailing list about this
[04:34] <nhandler> ds305: You can only edit the source
[04:35] <ds305> Ok, I'll play with it tomorrow.  I've got a lot of the formatting down - except for tables.
[04:36] <nixternal> editmoin
[04:36] <nhandler> That is what I just suggested nixternal ;)
[04:36] <nixternal> offline editor for moinmoin
[04:36] <nixternal> your name is to close to nhasian's so I didn't see it
[04:37]  * nixternal goes back to work
[04:42] <nhasian> i think it will just be faster to edit the wiki page online than trying to figure out how to get editmoin to use my openID to edit the page :-/
[04:46] <nhandler> nhasian: It doesn't use OpenID. You enter your session id one time in a configuration file. After that, it is very easy to edit the pages. It also works for any moinmoin wiki, so that means it will work on both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <nhasian> nhandler, cool thanks
[05:14] <nhasian> alright check it out guys: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NX_Web_Companion
[05:19] <nhasian> I'm not sure i put it in the right area though...
[06:19] <orange-wedge> Prerequisits
[06:19] <orange-wedge> ?
[06:21] <Madpilot> orange-wedge, ?
[06:22] <nixternal> green-wedge! what's up Madpilot
[06:23] <Madpilot> not much. thinking I should actually get up to speed on things docteam sometime...
[06:23] <Madpilot> bashing away at flight training is leaving me with much spare time. Might as well do something useful with it.
[06:23] <orange-wedge> maybe i'm just a picky speller
[06:23] <nixternal> sounds fun
[08:05] <rufong> ne1 'live? hehe
[19:42] <mdke> nhandler: where does one get the session id for use with editmoin? I couldn't figure it out from the man page
[22:35] <nhandler> mdke: In Firefox, right click and go to 'Page Info'. Then go to the 'Security' tab and click on 'View Cookies'. You can then search for 'wiki.ubuntu.com' or 'help.ubuntu.com' (they have different Session IDs). You want to click on the cookie that has a name of 'MOIN_SESSION'


[02:21] <akiva-thinkpad> aye; that flickable is a beast to wrestle with. I think I got it to a nice state though, with no bugs as I can see. Unfortunately Memory folders will have to wait.
[05:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <mihir> popey: did you see the screenshot i gave of Dash with no icons , did you face that too ?
[07:17] <popey> mihir: yes, a bug has been filed. pull down to refresh as a workaround for now
[07:17] <mihir> popey: okay  , just wanted to know from where can i file a bug , and why we have two calculators :-o
[07:21] <mihir> popey: btw it's anniversary for calendar :D
[07:29] <popey> mihir: two calculators?
[07:30] <popey> mihir: happy birthday! :D
[07:30] <justCarakas> mihir: do you mean the calculator of akiva ?
[07:31] <nik90> dpm: Hi, Good Morning :-), Is https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-clock-app/i18n-module/+merge/238213 ready to be merged? I see it has been approved by downey
[07:31] <nik90> Good morning folks
[07:31] <mihir> justCarakas: i am not sure , on latest image i saw two calculators , http://i.imgur.com/fGPuuA8.png
[07:31] <mihir> nik90: morning :)
[07:31] <popey> i suspect thats a bug
[07:31] <dpm> hi nik90, good morning. It's not yet. I need to apply the fixes dobey suggested
[07:32] <nik90> dpm: ack, when you think it is ready, feel free to top-approve.
[07:32] <dpm> ack
[07:33] <mihir> justCarakas: i am not sure why it shows like this.
[07:38] <justCarakas> mihir: that's not the akiva calculator, so it must be a bug (smash it before it spreads)
[07:38] <popey> mihir: what image is that you're running?
[07:38] <mihir> popey: r93
[07:38] <mihir> popey: just upgraded last night.
[07:39] <popey> what does "click list | grep calculator" say?
[07:39] <popey> don't update to 94 or beyond, its broken
[07:42] <mihir> popey:  it shows native one
[07:43] <mihir> com.ubuntu.calculator 1.3.334
[07:43] <mihir> popey: there are basically two applications like this , one is calculator, converter
[07:45] <popey> yes, i saw from your screenshot. interesting
[07:46] <mihir> you having 93 only ?
[07:46] <popey> dunno where those icons come from
[07:46] <popey> current build number: 93
[07:46] <popey> channel: ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed
[07:47] <popey> i dont see either of those
[07:47] <seb128> popey, mihir: did you install the ui toolkit autopilots?
[07:47] <seb128> they include a calculator
[07:47] <mihir> seb128: i haven't installed anything myself , but i can see UI Toolkit
[07:47] <popey> no
[07:47] <popey> brb
[07:48] <seb128> mihir, weird
[07:48] <mihir> seb128: that is also there without any icon :|
[07:59] <popey> i thought it might be a scope or something which is showing up incorrectly
[08:01] <mihir> hmm may be, i'll try to remove from cache
[08:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Mulligan Day! :-D
[09:04] <brendand> JamesTait, Mulligan. give me a new day
[09:07] <JamesTait> brendand, happy Spreadsheet Day! :)
[09:07] <brendand> oh no - that's worse!
[09:07] <brendand> i guess that's what mulligans are about though
[09:08] <JamesTait> Wear Something Gaudy Day?
[09:10] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:11] <JamesTait> vitimiti, o/
[09:11] <vitimiti> \o
[09:15] <justCarakas> JamesTait: brendand, In my country (belgium) today is youth movement day
[09:15] <JamesTait> justCarakas, where are the youth moving to?
[09:17] <justCarakas> JamesTait: hehe :p scouts and stuff
[09:18] <justCarakas> but since today is a schoolday they probably all moved to school today :p
[09:19] <JamesTait> I used to be in the Scouts.
[09:39] <brendand> popey, repeat is broken in the music app. is that known?
[09:39] <brendand> popey, shuffle seems to work fine
[09:51] <popey> brendand: news to me. please file a bug.
[10:26] <dpm> popey, I noticed Filippo's tabs addition MP for Terminal. It looks like a big diff - do we have someone who could help him with a review? It'd be really cool to get that landed
[10:45] <mihir> JamesTait: heya
[10:45] <JamesTait> Hi mihir!
[10:46] <JamesTait> Did I comment on the wrong bug?
[10:46] <mihir> JamesTait: nope , i guess..but need more info.
[10:46] <JamesTait> Fire away!
[10:46] <mihir> JamesTait: on what image and calendar version are you ?
[10:46]  * JamesTait checks
[10:49] <JamesTait> mihir, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8578496/
[10:50] <JamesTait> mihir, I think the original problem was that I was getting reminders, even though it said "No reminder set".  But that's fixed. \o/
[10:50] <JamesTait> It's just this timezone oddness now.
[10:50] <mihir> JamesTait: yes , previously No Reminder [10:51] <mihir> JamesTait: now that is fixed and update must be there in store.
[10:51] <mihir> JamesTait: can you check the update of Calendar in store ?
[10:52] <JamesTait> I don't see an update in the store.
[10:52] <JamesTait> "Software is up to date"
[10:54] <JamesTait> 0.4.502 is what I see in https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/com.ubuntu.calendar
[10:54] <mihir> JamesTait: i'll look into this, the No Reminder issue must have been resolved , so if you see in reminder
[10:54] <mihir> you'll get this options , No Reminder, On Event Time
[10:54] <JamesTait> mihir, yes, that's resolved, thanks. :)
[10:55] <mihir> i'll look into timezone issues.
[10:55] <JamesTait> mihir, although I think it defaults to "On event"? So I thought it was still present until I went back and checked, then realised I *had* set a reminder.
[10:56] <mihir> JamesTait: hmm yup , so if you say now No Reminder , it won't set any reminder.
[10:56] <JamesTait> Yeah, that worked after I realised my mistake and corrected it. :)
[10:56] <mihir> \m/
[10:57] <JamesTait> I couldn't have put it better. ;)
[10:57] <mihir> so JamesTait still the timezone issue is happening right?
[10:57] <mihir> popey: hit me hard (Lol) by mistake i hit Update and now it is stuck at Boot Logo , how can i downgrade ?? :(
[10:57] <JamesTait> Yes, the timezone issue does still seem to be a problem.
[10:57] <JamesTait> It seems like the reminder is stored in UTC, but triggered according to local time.
[10:58] <mihir> JamesTait: i believe you are storing events on your Google Calenadr correct?
[10:58] <JamesTait> One day, everyone will just use UTC allt he time, and the world will be a happier place.
[10:58] <mihir> JamesTait: exactly :D
[10:58] <JamesTait> mihir, this one was in the local ("Personal", IIRC) calendar.
[10:59] <mihir> Hmmm okay. I'll try to reproduce and will let you know
[10:59] <JamesTait> I don't think I've tried it with Google calendars yet.
[10:59] <mihir> JamesTait: would you mind if you can create another bug for this ?? as this is misguiding :P
[11:00] <mihir> JamesTait: my device is stuck at ubuntu Logo :( do you know how can i downgrade?
[11:00] <JamesTait> Actually, I *must* have tried it with Google calendars. I have *dozens" of events sync'd with Google.
[11:01] <JamesTait> mihir, IIRC, the advice was to "hold down power and volup/voldown, to get to bootloader, select recovery from the menu, then use phablet-device-flash"
[11:01] <JamesTait> mihir, I'll raise a separate bug for the tz issue.
[11:03] <mihir> JamesTait: thank you. as this is already fix, i'll attach this bug to related MP
[11:03] <JamesTait> Perfect. :)
[11:17] <JamesTait> mihir, bug #1382516
[11:17] <mihir> JamesTait: awesome thank you.
[11:17] <JamesTait> No problem. Let me know if you need more details. :)
[11:24] <mihir> Mirv: ping
[11:25] <mihir> Mirv: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-021/+build/6463878 downgrading with this package will allow me to boot into 94 mako ?
[11:30] <Mirv> mihir: pong
[11:30] <Mirv> mihir: the client2, common2 and media-hub packages, yes. if you adb them to /home/phablet, adb shell in and do dpkg -i *.deb (assuming no other debs in the directory), it will work after reboot
[11:33] <Mirv> and sudo needs to be used, plus developer mode enabled to be able to use sudo with the PIN code
[12:24] <mihir> Mirv: thanks , it worked for me.
[12:25] <mihir> Mirv: i am not sure but , revision took me back to 87 no idea how.
[12:27] <mihir> I am non ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed-customized
[12:33] <Mirv> mihir: eh, weird. I'm on ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed
[12:34] <mihir> Mirv: Hmm okay , i will need to flash i'll do that afterwards then :P
[12:44] <nik90> woop woop..you can now use any of the words shown in https://imgur.com/gOli2CK to highlight me :)
[12:44] <popey> hah
[12:44] <popey> nik90: do we need to push a click yet (gonna go afk soon)
[12:44] <popey> a clock click clock click...
[12:45] <nik90> popey: unfortunately my MPs have not been reviewed yet
[12:45] <nik90> popey: we will do it on monday
[12:45] <popey> ah. okay.
[13:10] <mihir> nik90: curious to ask , what kind of setting page is this ?
[13:20] <nik90> mihir: its from my irc bouncer that I use to stay online
[13:55] <rpadovani> mihir, I'm pretty sure it's about his bouncer, https://www.irccloud.com/
[14:25] <narg> posey
[14:28] <narg> wassup?
[14:58] <mihir> nik90: ahahhaha got it :D
[16:10] <vitimiti> Hi
[17:47] <akiva-thinkpad> hi all
[17:53] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, how goes app development?
[18:55] <danielbe> hello! I wanted to ask if a release-date for the ubuntu-touch RTM already exists.
[19:46] <ahoneybun> danielbe, there are already images for the RTM
[20:02] <danielbe> ahoneybun:: are these images the "final" images?  I thought it was some kind of "branch".
[20:16] <DanChapman> danielbe: AFAIK there hasn't been a release date set yet for the final golden image. Just "Later this year".
[20:16] <danielbe> hey DanChapman  :-)
[20:18] <danielbe> Will the ubuntu touch devices will regularly got updates?
[20:18] <akiva-thinkpad> danielbe, good question. It depends
[20:19] <akiva-thinkpad> danielbe, there is basically a do it yourself mode, where you can utilize updates on the fly
[20:19] <akiva-thinkpad> or there is a ubuntu release
[20:19] <akiva-thinkpad> erm
[20:19] <akiva-thinkpad> I am not a hundred percent on the details. Let me check reddit.
[20:20] <danielbe> I'm interested in the response because I would like to know if after the RTM, I would have to target several ubuntu touch release.
[20:20] <danielbe> Like 14.10 and 15.04 and so on...
[20:21] <akiva-thinkpad> danielbe, the official way is just to have periodic updates afaik
[20:22] <akiva-thinkpad> danielbe, to that though, I don't know enough details as to how phone manufacturers will handle the updates.
[20:23] <akiva-thinkpad> danielbe, definitely a good question for askubuntu.
[20:23] <akiva-thinkpad> let me know if you ask, and I'll upvote it. I'm interested in the answer as well.
[20:23] <DanChapman> danielbe: i think it's done by targeting click frameworks and not "release" as such. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks
[20:24] <akiva-thinkpad> til :)
[20:24] <danielbe> DanChapman: That's what I was searching :-)
[20:25] <DanChapman> :-)
[20:26] <danielbe> DanChapman: I read somewhere that you wanted to release dekko 0.4 soon.
[20:27] <danielbe> When would that be? I wanted to fix two bugs, but I first wanted to finish another project before.
[20:29] <DanChapman> danielbe: 0.3 yeah i'm pushing to get that out over this weekend. Sunday latest... anything not done i'll bump to 0.4 but there's only a few left, so i'm not too bothered if a couple don't get in.
[20:30] <danielbe> OK:-)
[20:30] <DanChapman> do you want me to retarget the progress bar bug to 0.4? and i'll just disable the LoadingOverlay for now?
[20:36] <nik90> DanChapman: hey, would it be possible to distinguish between read and unread emails more prominently by showing unread email titles in bold perhaps?
[20:36] <nik90> DanChapman: at the moment, they defer only by the listitem color, which is not that effective IMO.
[20:37] <DanChapman> nik90: hey there :-) bug 1378293 would be great to get your thoughts
[20:39] <nik90> DanChapman: ooh I like number #2 in the dropbox link.
[20:39] <nik90> ;)
[20:39] <DanChapman> nik90:  INBOX__007?
[20:39] <nik90> DanChapman: INBOX_006
[20:39] <nik90> DanChapman: although tbh, I like both and cannot make up my mind :D
[20:40] <nik90> actually INBOX_006
[20:41] <nik90> because in that screenshot, my eyes immidiately fall on the listitem with a darker background which are the unread emails
[20:41] <DanChapman> nik90: right so either way "read" messages should have no background /use page background. I'm tron between lighter or darker for un-read. danielbe prefers the lighter so it's still undecided :-D
[20:41] <DanChapman> s/tron/torn
[20:42] <nik90> hehe..maybe use a G+ in the app dev community to resolve it?
[20:43] <DanChapman> ohh yeah!! i totally forgot to do that. danielbe suggested that aswell :-D
[20:43]  * DanChapman heads off over to g+
[20:44] <danielbe> :-)
[20:44] <nik90> :)
[20:44] <DanChapman> nik90: one more thing. do you think the timestamp should be a heavier weight aswell for un-read
[20:44] <danielbe> For me, darker items means "the items are disabled".
[20:46] <nik90> DanChapman: I mostly am used to the Gmail app where they don't use a heavier weight for the timestamp. But this is a minor detail that I leave to your discretion.
[21:04] <danielbe> DanChapman: nik90 My wife also prefers the darker one. INBOX_006
[21:04] <danielbe> So, I guess I'm really outnumbered :-)
[21:11] <DanChapman> danielbe: well... the dark background it is then :-D
[21:15] <danielbe> :-)
[21:18] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad!!!!
[21:20] <kurt_> my internet has been out for awhile
[21:35] <akiva-thinkpad> bah
[21:35] <akiva-thinkpad> didnt respond in time :P
[21:36] <akiva-thinkpad> someone give him my regards if he comes back.
[21:39] <akiva-thinkpad> \o/ Memory successfully implimented :)
[21:43] <akiva-thinkpad> out for a bit ; later
[23:26] <akiva-thinkpad> !ping


[05:48] <InHisName> Woot Shirt has a bacon shirt - perfect for Mr. Bacon:  samuarialbi(sp) ?
[09:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[09:29] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[09:29] <rmg51> o/
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> bacon
[14:02] <MutantTurkey> baacon man
[14:35] <waltman> ChinnoDog: I had bacon yesterday. It was good.
[14:56] <ChinnoDog> I don't have any bacon
[15:38] <MutantTurkey> yum bacon for breakfast today
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> So where do I get Ubuntu for Android?
[22:48] <Irishmanluke> lol
[23:24] <IdleOne> ChinnoDog: I don't think you can yet
[23:25] <rmg51> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[23:25] <rmg51> as close as you can get ^^


[07:15] <Zeioth> good morning :)
[09:10] <miroslav_> I don´t have icons for open office after installing it with dpkg -i
[09:17] <cfhowlett> miroslav_, open office?  not even in the repos.  try libreoffice
[09:18] <miroslav_> I have installed libreoffice
[09:18] <cfhowlett> so why open office?
[09:55] <viceroy> Can someone point me to a list of the preinstalled applications?
[10:00] <knome> viceroy, in the menu
[10:00] <viceroy> Right, but I've already uninstalled it all.
[10:00] <knome> so do you have a real question/problem you are trying to solve then?
[10:00] <cfhowlett> viceroy, hey.  Ms. Cleo has retired.  How about you give ALL of the details.
[10:01] <viceroy> I need to remake a first boot script but I can't find a list of the preinstalled applications
[10:01] <viceroy> I don't know how else to spell out my question
[10:01] <knome> what would the first boot script do?
[10:01] <knome> remove preinstalled applications?
[10:02] <viceroy> Yeah, and install desired ones
[10:02] <knome> why don't you use xubuntu-core?
[10:02] <viceroy> There's a version of Xubuntu with a bunch of tweaks specifically for the laptop I'm using
[10:03] <cfhowlett> viceroy, apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop       http://paste.ubuntu.com/12968897/
[10:03] <cfhowlett> viceroy, what laptop?
[10:03] <viceroy> thank you! that helps perfectly
[10:03] <viceroy> Acer C720
[10:04] <cfhowlett> viceroy, that's a chrome machine???
[10:04] <viceroy> Yep
[10:04] <cfhowlett> and you're using chrubuntu?
[10:04] <viceroy> Handy lil machine
[10:04] <viceroy> Nope, just installed directly on
[10:04] <cfhowlett> :0
[10:04] <viceroy> Yeah its a neat lil machine
[10:05] <viceroy> Just found out I can natively run Morrowind with OpenMW too
[14:04] <bs0d> Hello. Is this channel alive?
[14:05] <flocculant> if you mean "are there people about waiting to read a question to see if they can actually answer it" then yes
[14:05] <bs0d> oh cool. I experience a problem - no signal from HDMI
[14:07] <bs0d> The video card is Intel HD Graphics 5500 and I have downloaded the Intel Linux drivers from https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[14:07] <bs0d> but there is still no signal
[14:07] <tmsbrg> if you type 'xrandr -q' in console it should give you a list of recognized outputs, including the HDMI
[14:10] <bs0d> tmbrg, it says http://pastebin.com/Nyq3G8sX
[14:10] <bs0d> mtbrg Screen0 is the built-in one I suppose, HDMI1 is a mini-hdmi port (not connected) and HDMI 2 is a hdmi port with cable attached
[14:12] <tmsbrg> so the computer thinks it's connected
[14:12] <bs0d> yes, and the second display is detected in the display settings window
[14:13] <rinse_and_repeat> And you're sure you checked the "Use this display" checkbox? ;)
[14:15] <tmsbrg> maybe the HDMI2 has nothing to render? Might check it in arandr
[14:16] <tmsbrg> seems like the display should be cloned, but don't know
[14:16] <bs0d> the display remains black and sais no signal for every mode (clone / extend)
[14:17] <tmsbrg> is it the correct display? is the cable fully working? I don't have much experience with such a problem
[14:18] <bs0d> yes, I have only two displays. The cable is working, as I use it on a daily basis and it works fine for my another laptop with Windows on it
[14:19] <bs0d> maybe the problem is in the driver?
[14:20] <bs0d> did HDMI work for you with generic drivers shipped with Xubuntu, or you had to install vendor-specific drivers?
[14:20] <tmsbrg> it worked with the standard drivers
[14:21] <tmsbrg> but I have AMD on my laptop
[14:21] <tmsbrg> AMD/ATI
[14:22] <tmsbrg> you have to download intel drivers via their site? Because I thought there was a built in thing to switch drivers
[14:22] <bs0d> hmm arandr sais both outputs are active
[14:23] <bs0d> yes, I downloaded the driver here https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0  they provide a .deb package
[14:23] <bs0d> with generic drivers it did not work either
[14:23] <tmsbrg> maybe then it doesn't have to do with the drivers, since both drivers seem to work, but not use HDMI output
[14:24] <tmsbrg> not sure though
[14:24] <tmsbrg> driver problems are the worst
[15:47] <nikolam> Who was so clever to name regular desktop right-click 'Delete' that pushes things to Trash, as "Move to trash" in Xubuntu XFCE  and to make 'Delete' deletes files instantly without putting into trash?
[15:48] <nikolam> You got to have in mind that regular joe would start to use Xubuntu (14.04) and expect to have deleted items in trash can like on all desktops
[15:54] <Hekau> xubuntu hibernate has some problems... sometimes I get black screen after re-hibernating...
[16:00] <nikolam> Hekau, worth of reporting a bug, it is most probably Linux bug in supporting hardware or something. What is your motherboard/machine?
[16:02] <bs0d> Hello again
[16:03] <bs0d> I need to install manufacturer chipset drivers: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201411-16196/
[16:03] <bs0d> Are they available in xubuntu repositories?
[16:04] <bs0d> I do indeed see a bunch of xserver-xorg-video-intel stuff in the SW center, not sure though which one do I need
[16:04] <bs0d> could anyone help please?
[16:07] <Hekau> I have xubuntu 15.04 and I'm using this installer https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[16:07] <Hekau> check "installer" in filter
[16:07] <Hekau> after installing this package, you should find "Intel graphics installer for linux" in your menu
[16:07] <Hekau> run it, install it
[16:09] <bs0d> Intel Graphics Installer for Linux* 1.2.0 - is this the one I need?
[16:10] <Hekau> if your xubuntu version is 15.04 then yes
[16:11] <bs0d> My version is 14.04 LTS
[16:11] <bs0d> Will it work in this case?
[16:11] <Hekau> nope
[16:11] <bs0d> do you accidentally know if there is any repository where I can get this drivers for v14.04 LTS?
[16:12] <Hekau> nope, don't think if there is one
[16:12] <Hekau> there's drivers for 14.10 and 15.04 versions
[16:13] <bs0d> Sorry to be so annoying, I'd like to ask about the OEM installation version
[16:14] <bs0d> What is the difference between regular and OEM installation? The 14.04 LTS installer suggested such a choice and I have chosen regular installation
[16:26] <flocculant> the OEM version would be if you wanted to install to a load of machines - there are extra steps - we don't test that
[16:36] <bs0d> I am upgrading 14.04 LTS to 15.04
[16:37] <bs0d> hope after the upgrade I will be able to use the Intel drivers
[16:38] <flocculant> upgrading from 14.04 to 15.04 isn't a supported option, should have gone to 14.10 when that was still live
[16:39] <flocculant> and if you've got graphics issues then I'd be more inclined towards clean install than upgrading
[16:40] <drc> And 15.04 only has about 2 or 3 months until EOL now that15.10 has been released.
[16:57] <Hekau> yeah, just do clean install of 15.04 and do not format your /home, reuse it
[18:10] <rabobank> hey all i have a two monitor xubuntu machine, but when i replaced one of the monitors with a bigger one it somehow created a second and distinct desktop environment for it... i can move my mouse inbetween desktops (monitors) but not windows. if i open a terminal on one monitor, and then the other, it closes the first terminal session... any ideas how to reset/unscrew this up?
[18:12] <rabobank> also xrandr only shows the monitor associated with the desktop that i invoke it from via terminal
[18:30] <wzsun> Hey I upgraded to 15.10 but it hangs when it starts and its just stuck on the circle indicator
[18:31] <wzsun> anyone know a fix?
[18:58] <bs0d> I cannot find version 15.04 in the Downloads section of the website. It suggests 14.04 LTS or 15.10
[18:58] <bs0d> Are there any archives of the earlier versions out there?
[19:00] <drc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[19:00] <drc> bs0d ^^
[19:01] <bs0d> drc: thanks :)
[19:01] <drc> The DL page only shows the LTS and the current release (and maybe the upcoming beta at the proper time)
[19:02] <drc> bs0d: You do know that 15.04 will be EOL in 3 months?
[19:02] <bs0d> drc: I hope that Intel some day will update their graphics installer to support 15.10 - currently sais "distribution not supported"
[19:03] <drc> ah...bummer :(
[19:03] <bs0d> drc: interesting after I install the drivers If I upgrade to 15.10, will the driver will remain operational? :)
[19:04] <drc> Probably not (guess)...I'm guessing they don't support it because of the kernel upgrade.
[19:05] <bs0d> drc: fcuk >< bad news
[19:05] <bs0d> drc: so - no updates, no upgrades after install?
[19:06] <drc> no, you can <update> 15.04, but I wouldn't <upgrade> to 15.10.
[19:08] <drc> But I am surprised that Intel doesn't support 15.10.
[19:09] <xubuntuNewbie> Hi there, I see that the new xubuntu version is available for download. Thx to everyone involved building it. I'm currently running xubuntu 15.04. The software updater tells me 15.10 is available. Will it upgrade automatically or does this only for for ubuntu?
[19:09] <bs0d> drc: unfortunately, yes: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0
[19:10] <xubuntuNewbie> for for -> work for
[19:10] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: as far as I understand it will not upgrade automatically, unless you let it do so
[19:10] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: you can upgrade in the SW center
[19:10] <flocculant> xubuntuNewbie: it should come up when you're notified of updates
[19:11] <xubuntuNewbie> it just popped up :-) Was just wondering if this upgrade process works for xubuntu or only for the original Ubuntu version
[19:12] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: Im pretty sure it works for xubuntu as well. Give it a try
[19:13] <xubuntuNewbie> ok, just clicked on upgrade and the software manager window closed and nothing seems to be happening
[19:16] <xubuntuNewbie> bs0d: clicking on upgrade in the sw updater does not start the xubuntu upgrade. Tried it twice now. Window just closes and doesn't seem to do anything
[19:17] <bs0d> xubuntuNewbie: hmm .. interesting. Couple of hours ago I tried to upgrade 14.04 LTS and it worked well
[19:18] <bs0d> I got a popup winow telling me how many packets the system is going to download and that it will not possible to cancel the installation
[19:21] <bs0d> drc: a stupid question - how do I upgrade when Intel eventually releases the new drivers? First distro then drivers? :)
[19:21] <bs0d> drc: or the other way around
[19:22] <drc> I'd upgrade distro first (kernel, remember :)
[19:23] <drc> But then, I never upgrade...I always re-install (separate ~/home)
[19:24]  * drc notes this is a hangover from the Bad Old Days.
[19:26] <bs0d> I experience a weird problem in 15.04
[19:27] <bs0d> The menu which asks for password to unlock the drive does not accept input into the input field. Input is typed in the background in the uppermost left corner :
[19:27] <bs0d> :\
[19:27] <bs0d> weird
[19:28] <drc> you have an encrypted drive?
[19:28] <bs0d> drc: yes. I chose encryption + LVM during installation
[19:29] <bs0d> drc: that's employer requirement to use encrypted media - I cant get around it
[19:30] <drc> Have fun :)  I have no knowledge of encrypted drives, nor LVM. (Don't want any either :)
[19:30]  * drc is just a simple user.
[19:32] <bs0d> drc: it looks like a bug specific for 15.04, because I can type password normally in 14.04 LTS and 15.10
[19:39] <bs0d> Which packages do I need to install in order to build a driver from the sources? IIRC, Ubuntu-like systems (and Debian) are not shipped with a compiler-suite with them by default
[19:54] <waltsn> Hey does anyone know how to downgrade the kernel?
[20:10] <xubuntu78o> I upgraded my XPS13 from 15.04 and now X won't start. Is there a way to get it to autoconfigure?
[20:14] <flocculant> bs0d: possibly bug 1359689
[20:19] <MisterMom> have the naming of network cards been changed in 15.10,  instead of eth0 I now have enp0s25,  is this correct and proper ?
[20:20] <flocculant> MisterMom: yes - that is right
[20:20] <drc> yes
[20:20] <MisterMom> ok
[20:20] <drc> MisterMom: Caught me by surprise also...
[20:20] <MisterMom> what does it mean ?
[20:22] <drc> MisterMom: see https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[20:22] <MisterMom> drc, thanks
[20:27] <drc> MisterMom: np (what it really means is that the network gods decided to change things again :)
[20:28] <MisterMom> lol yeah just reading the naming conventions now
[20:31] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-June/038777.html
[20:31] <flocculant> MisterMom: ^^ sums up what happened in *buntu recently
[20:33] <flocculant> dkessel: I've put nothing on the QA blueprint re autopkg testing - if you think you'll get time to look at it then feel free to add it
[20:33] <flocculant> poor old task has been postponed for ~4 cycles now :D
[20:34] <MisterMom> thanks ppl at least it looks like progress
[20:35] <flocculant> oh deary me ... channel fail
[20:35] <drc> no, flocculant fail :)
[20:35] <flocculant> :)
[20:35] <MisterMom> have a great day :-)
[20:55] <brianc_> Guys, how do I check a partition size from the command line?
[20:55] <cubatron> Hi to everybody
[20:55] <brianc_> fdisk -l shows me the size of the devices, but not the partitions on each device
[20:56] <drc> brianc_: man df (for options)
[20:56] <cubatron> I need help, I already upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10, but my eth0 doesn't work
[20:56] <brianc_> @drc, thank you, the partition doesn't have a filesystem yet though
[20:57] <drc> cubatron: The name has changed, use inxi -F to find the new name
[20:57] <drc> cubatron: see https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[20:58] <cubatron> drc, when I install my network do not start, after rread some forums I manage to start my Wlan
[20:58] <cubatron> But my eth0 do not connect
[20:58] <flocculant> cubatron: please read what people tell you - then you'll see why it doesn't work
[20:59] <cubatron> If I restart y have to make a network-manager restart
[20:59] <drc> cubatron: "eth0" does not work anymore (with much work)...use the new name
[21:00] <cubatron> OK how I fix my problem whith the new nae
[21:00] <cubatron> name
[21:01] <drc> cubatron: don't bother, just use the new name, it'll be much simpler.  But if you must, the options are at the bottom of the link I gave you.
[21:01] <cubatron> I will try to understand, I not an advanced user, thanks
[21:01] <drc> cubatron: But did you mean "how do I find the new name"?
[21:02] <kaerhon> hello
[21:02] <drc> hello
[21:02] <kaerhon> question : is there a wacom tablet utility in xubuntu 15.04?
[21:05] <cubatron> drc, if I use "ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules" will solve all my problems?
[21:13] <drc> cubatron: why bother?  inxi -n (or -F) is less typing (and it's installed by default)
[21:19] <flocculant> kaerhon: this might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2274775&p=13281407&viewfull=1#post13281407 - other than that - not got one, never had one, so never needed to troubleshoot
[21:20] <kaerhon> flocculant, well, it's not not working, i just wanted to know if there was a quick graphical way to tweak pressure sensitivity
[21:20] <kaerhon> thanks
[21:22] <flocculant> right - no idea I'm afraid - but if there is such a thing in Ubuntu - then you should be able to install it in Xubuntu
[21:28] <kaerhon> hmm good to know thank you!
[21:28] <cubatron> I have problem with networks in the new xubuntu 15.10, any help
[21:29] <drc> cubatron: Same problem?  Same answer.
[21:30] <cubatron> drc, I do this "You disable the assignment of fixed names, so that the unpredictable kernel names are used again. For this, simply mask udev's rule file for the default policy: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules (since v209: this file was called 80-net-name-slot.rules in release v197 through v208)"
[21:30] <cubatron> but that's not solve anything
[21:30] <drc> OK, I'm out.
[21:38] <flocculant> cubatron: do you even have /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules because if you don't then that wouldn't work
[21:39] <sorinello> Unit193, hello, are you around ?
[21:39] <cubatron> flocculant, I just have "70-persistent-net.rules"
[21:40] <drc> sorinello: Haven't seen him all day.
[21:40] <sorinello> thanks drc
[21:40] <flocculant> cubatron: then making a symbolic link to /dev/null from something that doesn't exist won't help you
[21:40] <flocculant> cubatron: make sure that network manager is using the right name
[21:41] <cubatron> I suppose that
[21:41] <flocculant> no suppose about it
[22:02] <sorinello> drc, could you help me with a thing ? Some months ago I made an application to auto start. And now I am unable to find nout what mechanism it uses to autostart. It's not in  Session and Startup, but I am unable to find where it starts.. or by whom
[22:03] <drc> Sorry, beyond my paygrade.
[22:04] <ochosi> sorinello: looked into /etc/initi.d/ yet?
[22:04] <ochosi> erm, init.d
[22:04] <ochosi> that would be if that app you installed runs as a system service
[22:05] <sorinello> ochosi, it's not there. If I htop, I see it's a child of xfce4/xinitrc
[22:06] <sorinello> the app in question (synergy) does not have something to autostart out of the box
[22:06] <sorinello> so I must have made something manually, but I don'tr emember where
[22:09] <ochosi> did you create an ~/.xinitrc file by any chance?
[22:10] <sorinello> let me check
[22:10] <sorinello> ochosi, nope
[22:11] <ochosi> if not, check /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[22:11] <sorinello> I also checked .bashrc
[22:11] <sorinello> ochosi, nothing related to synergy there, only . /etc/X11/Xsession
[22:12] <sorinello> other lines are commented
[22:13] <sorinello> it starts after I login
[22:13] <sorinello> as my current logges user, no root, no system
[22:21] <sorinello> ochosi, I might have found it. It's because when I restart, xubuntu restores the session :)) and synergy is there, and is started by the session restore
[22:22] <kaerhon> bye people!
[22:25] <ochosi> sorinello: ah right, yeah that makes sense too
[22:42] <Unit193> sorinello: Autostart on login could be as simple as ~/.config/autostart/, could have used the system dirs for that, made an upstart or systemd job (user or system.)  Just depends on what type you made.
[22:43] <cubatron> How can I make network-manager in Xubuntu 15.10 use the correct names?
[22:44] <sorinello> Unit193, Hello :)
[22:44] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:45] <sorinello> Unit193, I am looking at your PPA, and I see you have a synergy version there .. 1.7.4, which seems to be the latest. Did you built/compiled it yourself ?
[22:46] <sorinello> Unit193, I am looking at https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test
[22:46] <sorinello> 1.7.4-0vanir1~15.10
[22:54] <Unit193> sorinello: Yeah I updated the packaging, it has the ns plugin too (ssl support.)  FWIW, the one in Ubuntu is decently new enough, updated that the beginning of this year.
[22:55] <sorinello> Unit193, I am asking because if you want to download the package from their site, you must pay a annual subscription. It seems this is thei way to enforce support from the community. And I've been looking on the internet to get the latest version for ubuntu
[22:57] <Unit193> The Paywall is only for latest pre-built binary packages, source is always at https://github.com/synergy/synergy/ since it is still an open source application though.
[22:57] <sorinello> yes, indeed. But I don't want to build. I just want the deb file
[22:57] <Unit193> And the plugins, of course.
[22:58] <sorinello> Unit193, now I have 1.62, bu I'd like to switch to the latest version, and I am unable to find a proper deb file
[23:00] <sorinello> seems that ubuntu doesn't push the latest stable
[23:03] <Unit193> Someone would have to update it, the maintainer in Debian has been a big busy but I've forwarded my changes to him.
[23:04] <sorinello> Unit193, ah.. so synergy comes from Debian packages ? I imagined that the Ubuntu guys are the maintainers
[23:04] <sorinello> I still don't kn ow how this big Debian/Ubuntu ecosystem works :)
[23:05] <Unit193> sorinello: Usually, though in this case since the version is '1.6.2-0ubuntu2', it means there are Ubuntu changes, or it was updated in Ubuntu (changelog here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synergy/+changelog )
[23:08] <sorinello> Unit193, so the package from your PPA (the latest stable version) was built by yourself and it might be included in the standard repos ? Or should I use your PPA directly and don't wait until it becomes available in official repos
[23:11] <Unit193> sorinello: I haven't pushed it to the official repos as it contains a library of a GPL-3 application linked against OpenSSL, so Ubuntu can't officially distribute it (Upstream progress: https://github.com/synergy/synergy/pull/4979 - https://github.com/synergy/synergy/issues/4597)
[23:12] <sorinello> Unit193, thank you very much for the info
[23:12] <Unit193> Great, glad I was able to help.
[23:23] <Unit193> sorinello: PM a sec?
[23:25] <Orioa>  weechat.look.bare_display_time_format.
[23:33] <wolf1> After installing xubuntu 15.10, when I connect successfully to a VPN the network icon in the panel doesn't change to a secure (paddlock) one like it did in the previous versions of xubuntu.