[09:31] <petski> Hi all, I would like to upgrade my (pxe) 14.04.5 image with a newer kernel than the default 4.4.0-31-generic. Which steps would you recommend? (Can I find the iso build script/procedure anywhere online? My current approach would be to unpack the latest udebs, and hack a new initrd.gz/vmlinuz, not sure if that would be successful)
[09:33] <petski> The official #ubuntu-iso channel is empty, so that's why I ask my question here. Please let me know if I'm in the wrong place.
[11:58] <xnox> petski, why don't you just download d-i builds for trusty, with updated kernel?
[11:59] <xnox> petski, see directories in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[11:59] <xnox> petski, i'd recommend xenial-netboot as it should have xenial kernel in it.
[12:00] <xnox> petski, or do you mean rebuild that, but get even newer than 4.4.0-31 kernel?
[12:00] <xnox> petski, just $ pull-lp-source debian-installer trusty
[12:00] <xnox> adjust kernel versions, and use sbuild to build that
[12:44] <petski> xnox, thanks for your reply, very helpful indeed!


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[01:20] <tsimonq2> valorie: Ping a ling ling, you online this fine Sunday night?
[01:21] <valorie> I am
[01:21] <valorie> what's up?
[01:22] <tsimonq2> valorie: So I get to publish Beta 1 for the flavors for Zesty. Since you're an RM in training, would you like to give me a hand doing the coordinating for the global release? :)
[01:23] <tsimonq2> s/publish/do the coordinating/
[01:23] <tsimonq2> I don't press big red buttons :P
[01:23] <valorie> um
[01:23] <valorie> I'm interested in what to do for Kubuntu
[01:23] <valorie> not so much for all of Ubuntu
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[01:23] <tsimonq2> Ok, so you're passing?
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[01:24] <valorie> I mean, I think I already did some Kub. beta 1 stuff
[01:25] <valorie> and I've written about what is necessary in https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/release-management/
[01:25] <valorie> and asked for you and wxl to review that
[01:26] <tsimonq2> Ah ok, I'm just asking if you want to help with GLOBAL kitten herding, with the advantage being seeing exactly what the global kitten director does. :)
[01:26] <tsimonq2> valorie: First time I'm seeing that link, looking now...
[01:26] <valorie> well, I read the wiki about the steps
[01:26] <valorie> I can certainly help with release texts etc.
[01:27] <valorie> tsimonq2: the discussion/progress etc. is on https://phabricator.kde.org/T5135
[01:27] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[01:28] <valorie> yeah, I have a rough kub.org text for beta1 done
[01:29] <valorie> and the beginings of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/Beta1/Kubuntu done
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 valorie, on Phab you say "There are two alphas, and two beta releases as well as the Final Release" isnt there also a Release Canditate?
 https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/release-management/
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[02:28] <valorie> oops, methinks you are right, clivejo
[02:29] <valorie> tsimonq2: as I see it, the RM for a flavor basically gets people to do the testing, gets a list of bugs, and then gets the release texts out
[02:30] <valorie> so, the RM for all flavors basically just reminds people to do the above, plus gets the release texts out?
[02:30] <tsimonq2> Yep
[02:30] <tsimonq2> And finds out who's in
[02:30] <valorie> oh, plus marking flavors as "ready"
[02:30] <tsimonq2> Mmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:30] <tsimonq2> Sometimes
[02:30] <valorie> k
[02:30] <tsimonq2> If needed
[02:30] <tsimonq2> valorie: So tell me, who's participating? :P
[02:33] <valorie> I read the mail thread
[02:33] <tsimonq2> So? Tell me ;)
[02:33] <valorie> trying to think of who is missing
[02:34] <valorie> I think all of us are in
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[03:29] <DarinMiller> Hey tsimonq2
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[03:29] <DarinMiller> Do you have a few minutes to help me sort libkgapi?
[03:30] <DarinMiller> i.e. this monster: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/306776817/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.libkgapi_5.3.1+p17.04+git20170217.0139-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[03:32] <DarinMiller> I don't see any reference to libkf5gapi-data nor libkf5gapi-dev in the build log, but old control files has has several references.
[03:33] <DarinMiller> libkgapi control file:   https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/libkgapi/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_stable
[03:33] <DarinMiller> s/has  has/has/ ^^
[03:35] <DarinMiller> My current strategy for fixing so far is summarized here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24031750/
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[04:06] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: libkgapi is getting ready to become part of KDE applications and not a (kf5) framework, so it's possible the library package names may need to be transitioned as well
[04:06] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: :O go to bed!
[04:06] <acheronuk> have to think about that and/or follow debian's Neon's etc lead
[04:07] <acheronuk> It's early. not late.
[04:07]  * acheronuk is telling himself that to feel better
[04:07] <tsimonq2> XD
[04:08] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/libkgapi.git/commit/?id=8d15e66f1ed87a52377111735e24888b7f924a49
[04:08] <genii-netbook> Found this in my collection today, thought you guys might like it. Check out the KDE and Qt versions ;) http://i.imgur.com/loWSivJ.jpg
[04:09] <valorie> omg
[04:09] <valorie> that's amazing
[04:09] <tsimonq2> Hahahahaha
[04:09] <genii-netbook> ...i still also have the book
[04:10] <valorie> what's the copyright year?
[04:10] <genii-netbook> Hangon I'll go look
[04:10]  * tsimonq2 needs sleep sleep o/
[04:11] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: thanks for the feedback.  I was attempting to make a working package (attempting to quess what neon or debian would do).
[04:11] <genii-netbook> valorie: 2000
[04:12] <DarinMiller> night tsimonq2 o/
[04:13] <DarinMiller> I became confused with how to handle libkf5gapi-data.install and libkf5gapi-dev.install as they did not seem to be in the new library.
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[04:21] <acheronuk> well, looks like some stuff in -data and -dev was renamed, but not all. some with duplicate names in the old and new scheme for compatibility
[04:21] <acheronuk> plus the buildlog does not tell the whole story
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[04:22] <acheronuk> you are getting the list of what the .install files expect to find, but don't. and at that point the build aborts
[04:23] <acheronuk> so you don't get the list of what was built, but wasn't installed anywhere by the .install files
[04:23] <acheronuk> the other sort of 'missing'
[04:27] <valorie> 2000 is before I was using linux, much less knew what KDE *was*
[04:27] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: ack
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[05:59] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Zesty Beta 1] has been updated (20170220)
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[08:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:48] <acheronuk> santa_ clivejo any objections to uploading plasma 5.6.2 in a bit?
[10:48] <acheronuk> *5.9.2
[10:48] <acheronuk> lol
[10:49] <acheronuk> would like to get that through for the beta if possible
[10:49] <santa_> acheronuk: can we get the las 2 remaining things of frameworks and plasma migrated?
[10:49] <santa_> 1 sec
[10:50] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/frameworks_archive/5.31_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[10:51] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/plasma_archive/5.9.1_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[10:51] <santa_> k, about kde-cli-tools we have to poke the relase team again
[10:51] <acheronuk> baloo-kf5 I just skipped the s390x tests on
[10:53] <acheronuk> kde-cli-tools can do the same, rather than commenting out the test, which britney does not like.
[10:53] <santa_> but it's already @ 5.9.0 ...
[10:54] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, no objections on my side. however it would be nice if you could retry the kdelibs4support; in case they fail again we could comment out th test which is failing
[10:55] <acheronuk> santa_: I already retried that a couple of time the other day I think. lemme check
[10:57] <acheronuk> santa_: yep, I did. normally and against all-proposed.
[10:58] <acheronuk> santa_: busy this afternoon, so I shall get that uploaded shortly
[10:58] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, I guess it's time for a stop in gap. added to my todo. thanks for caring about this
[11:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #27 for job mgmt_pause_integration (previous build: ABORTED)
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:19] <acheronuk> santa_: are you going to push changes to kdelibs4support to disable that filing test? or do you want me to? I don't mind either way
[11:21] <santa_> acheronuk: whicheveer you prefer, right noe I'm busy with something else
[11:21] <santa_> * now
[11:21] <acheronuk> santa_: Ok. I'll do that then
 👍
[11:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_pause_integration build #27: ABORTED in 33 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_pause_integration/27/
[13:56] <santa_> https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/app-store-16.12/
[13:56] <santa_> ↑ intel for tonight's mini-meeting, if that finally happens
[15:49] <acheronuk> santa_: tonight is fine for me
[16:00] <santa_> great
[16:09] <clivejo> should be ok for me to
[16:12] <santa_> great (II)
 Me too
 No work tonight
[16:22] <santa_> great (III)
 I'll be home by 4 PM my time
 (CST)
[16:30]  * acheronuk prods archive builds and tests
[16:36] <blaze> $ apt list *kf5* | grep 5.28 | wc -l
[16:36] <blaze> 8
[16:36] <blaze> almost there :)
[16:48] <acheronuk> blaze: just kdelibs4support I think
[16:51] <wxl> valorie: quick note before i head to work re the release-management notes on phabricator. looks good, but i'd make the ReleaseName in that URL to the release schedule stand out in italics or bold or something.
[16:52] <wxl> well i guess both of the wiki paths
[16:53] <wxl> you also may want to mention that testing images *usually* come out on tuesday and are due thursday
[16:53] <wxl> and where to find logs on image builds if they're not behaving correctly
[16:53] <clivejo> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/frameworks_archive/5.31_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[16:53] <clivejo> looking good
[16:54] <wxl> valorie: there's LOTS of information you can pull from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[16:54] <wxl> k off to work
[16:54] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you poking these - http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/plasma_archive/5.9.2_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[16:55] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, though some of them are not much point while their arches are lagging slightly on the main builds.
[16:56] <clivejo> no problem, Ill keep my poking finger to myself
[16:57] <santa_> acheronuk: for the proposed migration graph it doesn't hide anything, because if it's not built for all archs it won't migrate
[16:58] <santa_> another thing is the build status/retry builds graph
[16:58] <santa_> for those, now you can select a subset of archs
[16:58] <santa_> i.e. you can make and amd64-only
[16:59] <santa_> s/and/an/
[18:33] <acheronuk> clivejo: busy for a bit, so please 'poke' away if you feel inclined
[18:34] <acheronuk> I guess we are looking @ about 10pm UTC ish for this mini-meeting
 BBB? or here?
[21:15]  * clivejo is easy
[21:15] <santa_>  I would prefer here
[21:15] <santa_> tsimonq2: around?
 @santa_, Not yet
[21:16] <santa_> ok so we wait for Simon
[21:17] <santa_> please ping us when you are ready
[21:17] <santa_> ah, ok
[21:17] <santa_> he said 16:00 CST
[21:18] <santa_> so that's 22:00 UTC
[21:18] <santa_> i.e. in ~40 minutes
 Grr I missed the city bus
 Next one comes around in ~25 mins
 So it'll be more like 16:20 :/
[21:30] <wxl> man i've got to make this easier
[21:30] <wxl> oops wrong channel bah
 Hi
 Lights out in my building
[22:00] <clivejo> power outage?
 Yes
[22:01] <clivejo> oh dear
 I will be available anyway thanks to the phone and laptop batt
[22:03] <ahoneybun> mm does Discover 5.9.2 have the fixes?
 Which fixes?
 Is packagekit crashing for you?
 If so I have a ppa with a packagekit patch
 It seems there's also a different problem in xenial
[22:14] <clivejo> is it crashing in zesty?
[22:15] <acheronuk> crashing when you do what?
[22:15] <clivejo> mine was doing that, until I upgraded packagekit
 Be ready in 5
[22:16] <clivejo> just displayed a message and would do nothing
[22:17] <acheronuk> just loaded it up and had a quick click about and search, and not crashed so far and looks normal
[22:21] <clivejo> weird
[22:21] <santa_> it seems the problem isn't completely reproducible
[22:21] <santa_> in any case the patch in question I have been checking is here:
[22:21] <acheronuk> Apparently successful
[22:21] <acheronuk> final: breeze,kdelibs4support
[22:21] <acheronuk> \o/
[22:21] <santa_> https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/packagekit
[22:21] <acheronuk> last 2 bits of FW and plasma!
[22:21] <clivejo> last two?
[22:21] <clivejo> yipppeee
[22:22] <santa_> brb in a few minutes, need to check downstairs wtf is going on
[22:22] <acheronuk> it's the squirrels. they chew the wires
[22:25] <clivejo> BBQ'ed Squirrel
[22:25] <santa_> k ,they are trying to fix it apparently
[22:25] <santa_> they was some grey smoke smelling funny btw
[22:26] <santa_> s/they/there/
[22:26] <valorie> squirrel for sure!
[22:26] <santa_> had to be a rat instead
[22:26] <clivejo> ah grey squirrel are common as muck
[22:26] <santa_> no squirrels in this environment
[22:27] <clivejo> don't like seeing red squirrels getting fried
[22:27] <santa_> haha
[22:28] <santa_> did Simon arrive yet?
 I'm here
[22:29] <santa_> ok
[22:29] <santa_> clivejo, acheronuk: around already?
[22:29] <clivejo> yup
[22:29] <acheronuk> I'm here
[22:29] <clivejo> but getting sleepy
[22:30]  * valorie serves tea around
[22:30] <santa_> ok, let's start this mini-meeting then
[22:30] <santa_> https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/app-store-16.12/
[22:30] <santa_> take a few minutes to read it please ↑
[22:31] <santa_> and then: do you agree with the assesment? do you agree with the proposed plan? any other comment?
 Looking
[22:32] <clivejo> santa_: did you research if it 16.12 builds without that gpgme-pthread.so symlink?
[22:33] <santa_> clivejo: nope, that's one of things we could check taking advantage of the .2 staging
[22:33] <acheronuk> I agree in general with that outline
[22:33] <santa_> if it works without the symlink that would be terrific
[22:33] <clivejo> basically the -release team would be happier if that symlink wasnt there
[22:33] <santa_> if we still need the symlink we could try to patch the kde package in question
[22:34] <acheronuk> I have a feeling that symlink may only be relevant for historical stuff, but we can see
[22:34] <santa_> me too
[22:34] <clivejo> acheronuk: thats what Im hopin
[22:35] <santa_> another I would like to discuss is *when* we would file the ffe
[22:35] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you have a list of the packages we need to upload for PIM?
[22:35] <acheronuk> although Neon's gpgme is a bit of a different build (no python stuff etc) I think they are building 16.12 + git fine without that symlink
[22:36] <acheronuk> they added the one debian have in their packaging, but not that extra one
[22:36] <clivejo> Id like to see a draft FFe ASAP
[22:37] <santa_> yes, I have inspected the gpgme neon fix months ago and it was more like a work around i.e. not really useful for us
[22:37] <clivejo> at least trying to build a case for it
[22:37] <acheronuk> clivejo: I did have somewhere. but would need to separate it out into the normal stuff and the split sources which will be NEW
[22:38] <clivejo> acheronuk: I was thinking more a list for the FFe
[22:38] <santa_> regarding the FFE, imho I would like to see a draft asap, but I would file the bug once we have our house in order (i.e. .2 built sucessfully in staging and autopkgtests all or mostly green)
[22:38] <clivejo> santa_: +1
[22:39] <acheronuk> well, an element of the FFE will be getting those new sources in, so best to have it clear in the FFE bug what is what
[22:39] <santa_> we could even work in a draft in phab
[22:39] <santa_> tsimonq2: do you already have any work in the FFE draft?
[22:39] <acheronuk> yep. get staged and confirm what issue we have first
[22:39] <clivejo> we kinda need an answer to gpgme to submit on the FFe
[22:40] <tsimonq2> santa_: No actually, sorry.
[22:40] <santa_> tsimonq2: no prob
[22:40] <santa_> clivejo: we could just mention the problem as a requirement for the FFE
[22:40] <clivejo> could I suggest a task rather than a wiki page?
[22:40] <santa_> sure
[22:41] <santa_> maybe we could dump the plan section of this https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/app-store-16.12/ into a checklist
[22:42] <santa_> or do you have something different in mind?
[22:42] <clivejo> https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/remarkup/ is great for how use it
[22:42] <clivejo> for generating checklists etc
[22:43] <santa_> nice reference doc
[22:43]  * acheronuk bookmarks
[22:43]  * DarinMiller does too
[22:44] <acheronuk> Hi DarinMiller :)
[22:44] <clivejo> little be extra work than trello
[22:44] <clivejo> be/bit
[22:44] <DarinMiller> Hi Rik et al.
[22:44] <santa_> hi DarinMiller, welcome in
[22:44] <DarinMiller> Hi santa_, thx
[22:46] <clivejo> so volunteers on who wants to do what?
[22:47] <acheronuk> I have no huge pref. happy to do whatever
[22:48]  * santa_ volunteers for uploaiging gpgme to the staging apps ppa + staging apps .2
[22:49] <santa_> I will also schedule an autopkgtests run - unfortunately I'm the only one right now who has acess to the infra to do that
[22:49] <DarinMiller> I would like to help, but not sure how.  Be glad to to do the grunt work, but will need guidance.
[22:50] <santa_> DarinMiller: no prob, you could help us with the symbols issues, I will help you to help us XD
[22:50] <santa_> FFE draft anyone?
[22:51]  * clivejo pokes tsimonq2
[22:51] <DarinMiller> ??? Symbols. uh ok
[22:51] <acheronuk> I can stage in the ppa if no-one else fancies doing that. I seem to have been doing most of that lately, but don't mind. or time allowing I can do it with someone else
[22:52]  * DarinMiller knows very little about symbols, many learning opportunities  ahead...
[22:52] <santa_> yes
[22:52] <tsimonq2> We should go poke Adam, I thought Kubuntu had an explicit exception to Feature Freeze.
[22:52] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: santa_ has some nice links about symbols
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Some old policy Jonothan helped set, something or other.
[22:52] <clivejo> tsimonq2: its only a draft for now
[22:53] <clivejo> not ready to actually submit it just yet
[22:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Hm?
[22:53] <santa_> acheronuk: I could upload the gpgme fix and then you stage if you want, my idea is doing it *now*
[22:56] <acheronuk> santa_: you mean tonight?
[22:57] <santa_> acheronuk: yes, so would leave the thing building in the night
[22:58] <acheronuk> santa_: right.
[22:58] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: fancy staging apps?
[22:58] <DarinMiller> sure
[23:00] <santa_> acheronuk: I'm going to upload a fixed gpgme to the staging ppa then
[23:00] <santa_> any objections?
[23:00] <acheronuk> santa_: nope. none at all
[23:00] <clivejo> not I
[23:01] <santa_> ok, give me a few mins...
[23:01] <clivejo> by fixed you mean minus the symlink?
[23:01] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: are you free now? or more precisely free to go on linode and BBB in say 20-30 mins time?
[23:01] <clivejo> but with your 100 cut down to 10 threads patch
[23:01] <DarinMiller> yes
[23:01] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: :)
[23:02] <acheronuk> not sure what the relase team's issue was with that patch. it's the GPG devs own upstream commit in what will in the end be gpgme 1.8.1 most likely
[23:03] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: right. I shall grab a drink and a quick bite to eat, and than we can give that a go
[23:05] <DarinMiller> sounds good
[23:08] <acheronuk> anything else before I pop off for 20 mins?
 by fixed you mean minus the symlink?
[23:08] <santa_> yes
[23:08] <santa_> I have just uploaded, lets see if it gets accepted and builds properly...
[23:09] <DarinMiller> santa_ feel free to tag me anytime wrt the symbols updates
[23:10] <santa_> DarinMiller: sure, what's your timezone?
[23:10] <DarinMiller> utc +7 (mountain time)
[23:10] <clivejo> -7
[23:11] <clivejo> you are in the past my friend!
[23:11] <DarinMiller> ^^ what clive said
[23:13] <santa_> DarinMiller: so 4:13 PM there ?
[23:14] <DarinMiller> Yes
[23:14] <santa_> k, added to my plasma clock :)
[23:14] <DarinMiller> santa_: and your timezone?
[23:14]  * clivejo tries to remember what happened at 4:13PM
[23:15] <clivejo> oh yeah, it rained
[23:15] <santa_> DarinMiller: CET, that's UTC+1 so 00:14 here. I'm from Spain
[23:16] <DarinMiller> I am availabe off and on all week and can wake early if it better aligns with anyone's schedule.
[23:17] <santa_> k, we will figure it out
[23:17] <santa_> well, for some reason my gpgme upload vanished
[23:18] <acheronuk> LP sometimes eats uploads
[23:18] <santa_> acheronuk: in the meantime, would you guide DarinMiller trough the staging process with KA? (if you aren't doing in already)
[23:18] <santa_> s/in/it/
[23:18] <acheronuk> santa_: yep. I will be doing that shortly
[23:18] <santa_> thank you
[23:19] <santa_> k, go the ACCEPTED mail from LP now
[23:19] <santa_> s/go/got/
[23:20] <santa_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+sourcepub/7499349/+listing-archive-extra
[23:20] <santa_> without the symlink
[23:21] <acheronuk> ok
[23:22] <clivejo> I hope those qt packages migrate before we need to upload
[23:24] <acheronuk> yeah, they got uploaded right after plasma. a gazillion tests on our packages to run for them. hopefully not much of an issue now
[23:33] <santa_> YES!
[23:33] <santa_> lights on again


[00:39] <ItzSwirlz> hi release team, ubuntu cinnamon's yaru-cinnamon variant has some bugs, since it isnt beta yet can someone help with a last second FFE to tweak it and make it look good :) (LP #2012844)
[00:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2012844 in ubuntucinnamon-environment (Ubuntu) "[FFE-Request] yaru-cinnamon theme missing some tweaks" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012844
[01:06] <ItzSwirlz> *i meant UIFe
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> Apparently new UIFe or FFe needed, it was a bugfix. Corrected ItzSwirlz accordingly.
[02:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (focal-proposed/main) [27.13.6~20.04.1 => 27.14.1~20.04.1] (core)
[02:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (kinetic-proposed/main) [27.13.6~22.10.1 => 27.14.1~22.10.1] (core)
[02:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (jammy-proposed/main) [27.13.6~22.04.1 => 27.14.1~22.04.1] (core)
[02:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (bionic-proposed/main) [27.13.6~18.04.1 => 27.14.1~18.04.1] (core)
[02:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-advantage-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [27.13.6~16.04.1 => 27.14.1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[07:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (focal-proposed) [245.4-4ubuntu3.21]
[08:04] <cjwatson> jbicha: Yeah, known issue as mwhudson says
[08:05] <cjwatson> I've bumped the urgency of our ticket with IS
[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupd-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.10~ubuntu18.04.6 => 1.51~18.04.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: fwupd-efi (bionic-proposed/primary) [1:1.2-3ubuntu0.2]
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: graph-tool [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.45+ds-10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: graph-tool [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.45+ds-10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: graph-tool [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.45+ds-10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:38] <cjwatson> jbicha: fixed now
[11:46] <jbicha> thanks!
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: graph-tool [s390x] (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.45+ds-10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: got (lunar-proposed/primary) [0.86-1]
[14:23] <tobhe> not sure if anyone is still actively monitoring the queue since we're past import freeze. can someone help me approve this got upload ^ :)
[14:39] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i don't want any more syncs of dkms in Lunar, especially when i am on holiday post feature freeze. Epsecially when it is  a no-op. Doing such a sync, has retriggered tests for effectively no change, and burned a lot of CO2 for now reason.
[14:39] <xnox> please do not forcesync dkms just to get the versions in sync, as each such action, kills the planet a little bit.
[14:40] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, the reason was "fixed kernel on i386", so now the baseline test for i386 is set again to pass
[14:41] <xnox> that's fair
[14:41] <xnox> from the ping above it seemed it was a complete no-op.
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> multiarch installation for kernel on i386 was broken, and it set a "regression" on release, due to kernel in proposed being installed even when migration-reference/0 is set
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> yay, I spoke about i386 regression probably in a different timeframe :)
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> I waited for the multiarch to fix itself and then did the sync
[14:42] <LocutusOfBorg> enjoy your vac :)
[14:42] <xnox> bdmurray:  ginggs: please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~juergh/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/439713 it's blocking release of the kernel, that is no longer will ever be testable in adt, yet is stuck awaiting for positive triggered by results. Our infrastructure no longer can reboot into said kernel on arm64; and never was able to do that on armhf.
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: studio-controls (jammy-backports/universe) [2.3.1-0ubuntu2 => 2.3.9-0ubuntu2~bpo22.04.1] (ubuntustudio)
[15:27] <ginggs> xnox: a.p.w beat me to it
[15:44] <dbungert> release team - blackboxsw and I have a livecd-rootfs change in the queue, currently stuck on s390x testing which is moving glacially.  I would like suggestions.  LP: #2008952
[15:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2008952 in cloud-init "DNS failure while trying to fetch user-data" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008952
[15:56] <bdmurray> Wait for Brian to finish fixing the queue processing
[15:56] <bdmurray> dbungert: ^
[15:56] <dbungert> fun times, thanks bdmurray
[15:59] <bdmurray> Like nothing was being processed at all
[16:29] <bdmurray> It's fixed now
[16:48] <tjaalton> ginggs: hi, should I upload the new mesa now for beta? 23.0.1 was finally released last Friday
[16:54] <ginggs> tjaalton: yeah, I understood you have a pre-ACK on that FFe
[16:58] <tjaalton> ginggs: right
[17:06] <tjaalton> there, uploaded
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mesa [amd64] (lunar-proposed/main) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mesa [i386] (lunar-proposed/main) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
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[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mesa [arm64] (lunar-proposed/main) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[18:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: crystal [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.6.0+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[18:54] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: germinate-output is consumed by the i386-whitelist script, that's the only thing I see (identified by a grep -rl)
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted crystal [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.6.0+dfsg-2]
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: noted, thank youuu.
[19:02] <utkarsh2102> so what’s being done by livecd-rootfs (metedata tagging), is it using the seeds by germinating it itself?
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (focal-proposed/main) [2.664.46 => 2.664.47] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[19:08] <coreycb> hello SRU team, if anyone has a chance, aodh could use a review in the jammy unapproved queue.
[19:21] <ricotz> vorlon, hello :), could you let libreoffice/kinetic-proposed transition to -updates?
[19:23] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: livecd-rootfs does run germinate separately (it has to now in order to get information about snaps, since those are in seeds but not recorded in the archive)
[19:23] <vorlon> ricotz: sorry, this is actually a sick day for me today and I have limited time at the keyboard.  check with SRU vanguard?
[19:24] <ricotz> vorlon, oh, will do, get better soon!
[19:26] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: aah, gotcha, thank you, again.
[19:27] <ricotz> bdmurray, hello :), seems sil2100 isn't around, would you have time to let libreoffice/kinetic-proposed transition to -updates?
[19:28] <utkarsh2102> out of curiosity, each upload runs that germinate?
[19:30] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: it's run on the invocation of livecd-rootfs for an image build
[19:38] <utkarsh2102> Aaah, of course. Thanks!
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: sphinx-design (lunar-proposed/primary) [0.3.0-2]
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: sphinxcontrib-images (lunar-proposed/primary) [0.9.4-2]
[20:14] <vorlon> hmmm maybe I should've made libevent-2.1-7a a dummy package to ensure it gets replaced with libevent-2.1-7 on upgrade from kinetic
[20:14] <vorlon> in fact yes I think that's exactly what I should have done
[20:15] <vorlon> also: noooo how are there new NBSes
[20:17] <vorlon> tkamppeter: libcupsimage2 has a stale Recommends: on libcupsfilters1 that should be updated to libcupsfilters2
[20:17] <vorlon> (seen via https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/nbs.html)
[20:29] <vorlon> tkamppeter: and c2esp FTBFS on all archs against current cupsfilters, this needs to be resolved before release by removal or source fix
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [armhf] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [s390x] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mesa [i386] (lunar-proposed) [23.0.1-1ubuntu1]
[21:07] <tillkamppeter> @vorlon, I will fix the issues. In CUPS it is probably simply correcting the Recommends in debian/control and for c2esp I already have a patch, as in the Ghostscript Printer Application, where c2esp is included, I use libcupsfilters2 already from the beginning on, something like 1.5 years ago ...
[21:20] <tillkamppeter> @vorlon cups_2.4.2-3ubuntu2 with libcupsfilters1 -> libcupsfilters2 uploaded.
[21:38] <tillkamppeter> @vorlon Patched c2esp, c2esp_27-11ubuntu1 uploaded.
[21:42] <tillkamppeter> @vorlon, c2esp is now building correctly, amd64 and ppc64el have already completed.
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: pqmarble (lunar-proposed/primary) [1.3.0-2]
[21:55] <bdmurray> ricotz[m]: done
[21:57] <ricotz[m]> Thank you


[16:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4463 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (hirsute/gcc-11, hirsute/grub2). Successfully built (hirsute/linux, hirsute/pkgbinarymangler)
[20:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rbalint, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4459 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (hirsute/dovecot). Release pocket (hirsute/bibletime, hirsute/clucene-core, hirsute/glibc, hirsute/libreoffice, hirsute/sword, hirsute/systemd)


[21:33] <zerwas> Hi
[21:36] <zerwas> In a few days the first deadline is there. Can somebody explain to me what this means?
[22:41] <askand> Is it only me or is half the mailinglist complains about topposting? =-O
[23:05] <nand_> it's a rite amongst Ubuntu artworkers :)
[23:05] <pwnguin> it needs to be solved once and for all
[23:06] <pwnguin> claiming there's an established ettiquette is simply a lie
[23:06] <Flannel> topposting is evil
[23:06] <pwnguin> psh
[23:07] <pwnguin> write google and tell them how they're being evil then
[23:07] <Flannel> its a crime against your fellow man, and because such, is against the code of conduct :)
[23:07] <pwnguin> if open source is worth a damn, this angst should produce some sort of technical solution
[23:07] <pwnguin> given that we know they exist
[23:07] <nand_> one of the - involuntary - culprit is Gmail : it is hiding the quoted text so that topposting or not, it looks the same. So Gmail users don't understand what is the problem
[23:08] <Flannel> pwnguin: Theres a good number of clients (all in Ubuntu?) that default to starting replies below quoted
[23:09] <pwnguin> Flannel: ok, so how about some decent threading and collapsing
[23:09] <pwnguin> did google patent it?
[23:09] <Flannel> Eh?  I have no idea what you're talking about
[23:10] <pwnguin> have you not seen gmail threading in action?
[23:10] <Flannel> Nope.  I prefer to own my data.
[23:10] <pwnguin> i dont see how that means you never look at what others are doing
[23:10] <pwnguin> anyways
[23:10] <Flannel> Having never used gmail, I obviously am unaware of its UI
[23:11] <Flannel> Sorry for not watching your type emails over your shoulder.
[23:11] <pwnguin> like there aren't videos etc
[23:11] <pwnguin> anyways
[23:11] <pwnguin> what it does is collapse quoted text into a small purple "click to expand quote"
[23:12] <pwnguin> and automatically threads mail
[23:12] <Flannel> threading is ... all over the place
[23:13] <pwnguin> in my experience it works almost perfectly
[23:13] <Flannel> pwnguin: and, a cursory search reveals that thunderbird has a quote collapse extension thing too.
[23:13] <pwnguin> great
[23:13] <pwnguin> i should try it sometime
[23:14] <pwnguin> the point is, lots of the world has never heard of "top posting"
[23:14] <pwnguin> technology can make that an artifact of time
[23:15] <pwnguin> and the sooner that happens, the sooner people won't feel antagonized in ubuntu-artwork
[23:15] <Flannel> pwnguin: Yes, but people in FOSS do, and older people (from the beginnings of the internet) do too.  There's just a gap for the rest, which are also the people who click on email links to download screensavers and icon packs.  I'm, not really sure where you're going.
[23:16] <Flannel> pwnguin: The first thing one should do when joining a community officially or unofficially, is observe their social norms.
[23:16] <Flannel> This goes for any community, whether online, or a new job, or whatever.
[23:16] <pwnguin> having observed the social norms of -artwork, they seem unhealthy :P
[23:17] <Flannel> pwnguin: I'm actually not subscribed to the mailing list, so I wouldn't be the one to comment on that.
[23:18] <pwnguin> then you'll have no choice to believe me when I say that every month a collossal top posting thread is initiated by one or two agitators
[23:18] <pwnguin> ive tried to remedy the poison
[23:19] <pwnguin> it seems to have worked a bit, but it's a social solution to a technical problem


[11:13] <fesha> Anyone in channel?
[11:33] <jpatrick> hi
[11:44] <fesha> hi
[11:45] <fesha> how are you?
[11:48] <fesha> I guess you arent going to talk to me...
[11:51] <jpatrick> sorry, at meeting
[11:51] <fesha> ok


[00:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: is there something different between debian and ubuntu?
[00:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: None that I can see, apart from the order of the b-d, copyright file (debianized), changelog...
[00:11] <Riddell> wibble, I think I've had too many pints to be of much help
[00:11] <Riddell> I did miss Real Ale in Spain
[00:11] <Riddell> this is what happens when you start becoming middle aged!
[00:12] <ryanakca> Hehe, I've always thought that middle aged was fourties... unless the life expectancy in the UK is 60 or something... in which case I suppose you could consider late twenties / early thirties as middle aged...
[00:13] <Riddell> life expectancy is shorter in Scotland.  too many deep fried pizzas in the diet :)
[00:14]  * ryanakca wonders what one can find appetizing in the thought of a deep fried pizza
[00:15] <Riddell> everything!  it's haute cuisine d'ecosse!
[00:17] <ryanakca> Bah :P
[00:17] <ryanakca> shtylman_: How's OO.o comming?
[00:17] <shtylman_> slowly..and painfully...but coming
[00:18] <Riddell> I bet you say that to all the women
[00:18] <shtylman_> tweaking some of the widget displays
[00:18] <shtylman_> ....
[00:18] <Riddell> you probably don't say that to all the women though
[00:18] <shtylman_> *sigh*
[00:19] <Riddell> :)
[00:19] <Riddell> markey: you went to sleep!
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> heh, ol' jr is a bit tipsy
[00:19] <Nightrose> never!
[00:19] <ryanakca> Just a tad :P
[00:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:24] <shtylman_> http://shtylman.com/stuff/oo/
[00:25] <shtylman_> ^just a small demo :)
[00:26] <shtylman_> the menus also match oxygen/whatever enabled style you have
[00:28] <neversfelde> thats a small screenshot :), but looks nice
[00:28] <shtylman_> neversfelde: I like to focus on the details :)
[00:28] <neversfelde> hehe
[00:33] <Riddell> shtylman_: you got the widget themeing working?
[00:33] <shtylman_> yea
[00:33] <shtylman_> currently written only for like 5 widgets...but easy to expand to more
[00:34] <Riddell> how many are there?
[00:34] <shtylman_> ive got buttons done, menus, text edits and toolbars
[00:35] <shtylman_> about 25...with some subparts...but not all were implemented last time...hopefully I can have more coverage than the kde3 side
[00:35] <Riddell> did I ever mention you were a genius?
[00:35] <shtylman_> the cool thing is that if you don't implement a widget...it just falls back to its own drawing...which looks windows 98ish..but still ok
[00:35] <shtylman_> haha...just doing my best :)
[00:36] <shtylman_> oh..and I have a working and integrated file picker...as per last night
[00:36] <shtylman_> it still needs some tweaks but the event loop is there
[00:36] <shtylman_> that was the hardest part really
[00:42] <Riddell> shtylman_: doesn't it take two hours to compile after each edit?
[00:45] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: ping
[00:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Isn't that what make is for? ... to only recompile the modified section and then link it all together?
[00:53] <Daskreech> Riddell: That's Amarok 2.1 final? :)
[00:57] <nixternal> anyone who went to UDS, did you participate in any of the apt url conversations?
[01:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: with openoffice I'd expect even the linking to take hours
[01:02] <Riddell> Daskreech: that's the ane
[01:02] <Riddell> nixternal: no I don't think so
[01:02] <ryanakca> *nod*
[01:03] <nixternal> do we have apt-url support anymore? I notice none of them work, so I would guess no
[01:03] <Daskreech> Riddell: So /Topic in #kubuntu?
[01:05] <Riddell> Daskreech: go for it
[01:06] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't think we ever did
[01:06] <nixternal> I thought we did at one point
[01:07] <ryanakca> I think there was an apt-url kio slave at one point...
[01:08] <Daskreech> Protected topic is protected :-(
[01:09] <ryanakca> Daskreech: anything else?
[01:09] <ryanakca> just deop yourself when done :)
[01:10] <Daskreech> Well rebooting going to actually install Kubuntu I just got a hard drive so no more Live CD for me :)
[01:10] <Daskreech> Going to see if I can install KDE 4.3 in one go :)
[01:10] <ryanakca> :)
[01:11] <Daskreech> Just Chit chatting with Sparr trying to recruit him to help withthe KDE3 repo :)
[01:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: *prod*, still have a typo in my name in your blog post... s/Kavanah/Kavanagh/g
[01:31] <nixternal> who is buying dinner?
[02:58]  * ScottK notes http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/hal-sectomy-continues/ needing some KDE upstream coordination, but has zero time to work on it.
[02:58]  * ScottK looks around ...
[03:13] <jjesse> good evening, since the update to kde 4.2.4 the noficiations from quassel don't automatically disappear like they used to, anyone else noticing this?
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: yeah, Quassel is accidentally using the "persistent" setting for knotifications, which only started working in 4.2.3
[03:15] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: ah thanks
[03:15] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: btw whats the package for weather background again
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if there is a hotfix for the quassel thing
[03:15] <jjesse> i'm sure an update someplace will fix it
[03:15] <vorian> make sure you check out icy tree™
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> heh @ tm
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Wallpaper+Plugin?content=102185
[03:16] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: cool thanks, package in kde/ubuntu yet?
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, see the download links :)
[03:16] <jjesse> cool :)
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to set the x86_64 mandravia package to being displayed as a mandravia package...
[03:17]  * JontheEchidna fixes
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> the KDE 4.3 version is superior to 0.2.1, but 0.2.1 still works :)
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> also the weather wallpaper is probably what's making us 70 MB over on the CD >.>
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> since it pulls in both kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> oops™
[03:26] <vorian> are these known jaunty -> karmic upgrade issues?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/187850/
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I think we got all of those, though it's hard to tell since there aren't any errors
[03:27] <vorian> JontheEchidna: that just happened to me, just now
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> oh :/
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> all of those errors start to look the same after you spend a weekend fixing htem
[03:29] <vorian> so we have a utils/graphics/pim fixex
[03:29] <vorian> fixes too
[03:30] <shtylman> Riddell: nope ... I found a way to compile just the library I need and copy over the .so files...so it takes no time at all to test my changes :)
[05:00] <Daskreech> What's the deal with the Koala ISOs being about 100 MBs larger than a Cd ?
[07:39] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: belated pong
[08:37] <Artemis_Fowl> are there any amarok 2.1 packages for jaunty???
[09:07] <emonkey-t> yes
[09:07] <emonkey-t> Artemis_Fowl: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[09:08] <Artemis_Fowl> emonkey-t: ty
[09:08] <emonkey-t> nP
[13:17] <Riddell> agateau: do we need a patch to qt for gwenview's thumbnailview?
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: would be nice to have it yes
[13:26] <agateau> it's in qt-copy now
[15:03] <Riddell> wee bit of politics there :)
[15:04]  * jussi01 wishes he could actually vote here...
[15:04] <Riddell> jussi01: why can't you?
[15:05] <jussi01> Riddell: because Im Australian
[15:05] <Riddell> taxation without representation?
[15:06] <jussi01> come again?
[15:06] <jussi01> Riddell: I have no idea how it works, to be honest.
[15:34] <Riddell> nixternal: we weren't being mean about your wiki pages!
[15:34] <Riddell> nixternal: the new ones look lovely though
[15:41]  * rgreening is sooooooo sick
[15:44]  * rgreening thinks they should give innoculations for ubu-flu
[15:47] <Riddell> I was serious with my handkerchief comment, but nooo, you all laughed at me!
[15:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: wow, that page seems to work with Khtml too
[16:01] <jjesse> i hear at the next UDS everyone will have to wear masks
[16:05] <Tm_T> jjesse: Michael Jackson -style?
[16:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: what page?
[16:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: that http://www.euprofiler.eu/
[16:10] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[16:10] <shtylman> rgreening: here
[16:10] <rgreening> shtylman: hows ooo :)
[16:10]  * rgreening ducks
[16:10] <shtylman> progressing...working on scrollbars right now
[16:10] <shtylman> :)
[16:10] <rgreening> cooooooooollllll
[16:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: though reaaaally slow, as expected
[16:11] <rgreening> keep up th emomentum shtylman
[16:11] <shtylman> heh ... will do
[16:11] <rgreening> s/th e/the /
[16:11] <rgreening> :)
[16:14] <jjesse> Tm_T: yes micheal jackson style masks, like people were wearing at the start of the swine flu outbreak
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> hrm... rekonq git needs a newer webkitkde
[16:22] <Tm_T> jjesse: what if I bring some gas masks?
[16:28] <Tm_T> jjesse: like this one: http://www.varusteleka.eu/prebeo/pictures/thumbs300/1716b.jpg
[16:28] <Tm_T> costs 5 €
[16:32] <jjesse> Tm_T: exactly like those :)
[16:33] <Tm_T> jjesse: like to get one? (;)
[16:34] <jjesse> Tm_T: maybe for the next UDS that I attend :)
[16:35] <maco> wait, why not get MJ-style masks w/ the CoF printed on them?
[16:35] <Tm_T> maco: prize?
[17:12]  * Riddell down to 30 e-mails!
[17:16] <nixternal> Riddell: inbox zero == Mark All As Read
[17:26] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm getting there!
[17:28] <nixternal> I love choqok just that much more now!
[17:28] <nixternal> I have been doing a ctrl+r to mark all as read
[17:29] <nixternal> derr, you don't have to do that, just click the icon and minimize it to the tray, and boom, it marks them all as read :)
[17:40] <Mamarok> nixternal: I discovered that the first day I used choqok :)
[17:47] <nixternal> Mamarok: I am obviously a bit slow :)
[17:48] <Mamarok> nixternal: usually it's me :)
[17:48] <Mamarok> so I am quite proud of that one :)
[17:49] <nixternal> lol
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> btw, was the amarok splash screen removed in 2.1?
[18:26]  * JontheEchidna is wondering if it is just him
[18:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I still have it (alas)
[18:31]  * JontheEchidna wonders where his went
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: your bug from yesterday is bug 374654
[19:04] <jjesse> subscribing thanks
[20:08] <jjesse> don't kow if this is reported or not, but if quassel is set to start automatically when i sign in, now that i'm 4.2.4 i have to connect to internal core before it will sign in
[20:25] <Tscheesy_> jjesse: quassel-client yes? there's a quassel-core or so, which should behave different afaik
[20:26] <jjesse> Tscheesy_: before i upgraded to kde 4.2.4 quassel would auto-connect to quassel-core, now when quassel auto starts, i have to connect to the internal core before it will connect to channels
[20:48] <neversfelde> bug #383702 needs a sponsor :)
[21:07] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[22:24] <functionofxy> hey. has anyone seen apachelogger?
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> ~seen apachelogger
[22:25] <kubotu> apachelogger was last seen 23 hours, 37 minutes and 5 seconds ago, quitting IRC ("https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger")
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it was about yesterday when I last saw him
[22:25] <DaSkreech> kubotu has it seems
[22:25] <functionofxy> wow! cool tool. thanks
[22:26] <vorian> ~seen JontheEchidna
[22:26] <kubotu> JontheEchidna was last seen 32 seconds ago, saying "yeah, it was about yesterday when I last saw him"
[22:26] <functionofxy> i was going to gently ask him to update the amarok build in kubuntu-experimental ppa
[22:26] <vorian> ~seen barbiegirl
[22:26] <kubotu> nope!
[22:26] <vorian> lies
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:27] <functionofxy> the 2.1 betas have horrible bugs that erase random stuff from the collection :D
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> functionofxy: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.1
[22:27] <Nightrose> functionofxy: see kubuntu.org
[22:27] <functionofxy> is it going to be updated here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> nope, it's not exactly experimental software anymore ;-)
[22:28] <functionofxy> ah, thanks!
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> that ppa has moved to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental btw
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> I suppose we should remove the old one
[22:32] <neversfelde> yes please, it is really confusing for the users
[22:32] <neversfelde> and there is Qt 4.5.1, which many people accidently install
[22:36] <functionofxy> AWESOME! collection is back to normal. thanks guys! really quick turnaround.
[23:04] <DaSkreech> Turnaround measured in negativity seconds Sweet!
[23:42] <neversfelde> oh no, Kopetes now playing plugin is broken, what to do now :)
[23:43] <Tm_T> fixit
[23:43] <neversfelde> hehe, probably should


[03:10] <andresmujica> odinsbane
[03:18] <lacqui> bless you
[04:45] <DooohHead> Anybody around that can answer Jaunty questions?
[04:47] <DooohHead> have a Dell inspiron 5150 laptop.  Upgraded my 8.10 to Jaunty now my wifi doesn't work
[04:47] <DooohHead> anybody know of any wifi related problems?
[04:51] <andresmujica> doohhead > ubuntu+1
[04:51] <andresmujica> you'll find help there
[15:33] <ChosenOne> lo
[15:34] <ChosenOne> I just upgraded to 9.04 RC and the *only* problem was that I got a wrong keyboard layout after upgrade? to which package would I report this bug?
[22:41] <MightyTweek> Does anyone have any tips for getting useful debug info from trackerd? My search index keeps getting corrupted but I'm not really getting anything useful from the logs in ~/.local/share/tracker. Tried connecting gdb to the process, but it just tells me the process is exiting normally


[21:34] <ghuru_> hi all
[21:34] <ghuru_> having an issue with an ubuntu server 10.04.1
[21:35] <ghuru_> etc rc2.d  s99 acpi-support: line 7: /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs: no such file or device
[21:35] <ghuru_> ayone have had issues with that?
[21:35] <ghuru_> i am stuck at boot there
[21:35] <ghuru_> hi itnet7


[18:37] <chilts> morning
[18:37] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:38] <hads> morning
[18:38] <ibeardslee> shit .. opened up the wrong irc screen session first ;)
[18:40] <ajmitch> morning
[19:12] <ibeardslee> hmm Evolution in Quantal is a POS.
[19:18] <ajmitch> I suspect it's not getting a lot of love upstream these days
[19:20] <ibeardslee> which is sad, because Ubuntu still hasn't completed the switch to Thunderbird
[19:51] <ojwb> morning
[20:01] <mwhudson> morning
[20:01] <mwhudson> hads: ping
[21:50] <hads> mwhudson: pong
[22:21] <mwhudson> hads: hi, sorry about the delay
[22:22] <mwhudson> hads: i have a couple of electronics gadgets i want to build, was wondering if you could supply the parts
[22:22] <mwhudson> or even the prebuilt gadgets :)
[22:23] <hads> mwhudson: Sure, probably the former, possibly the latter.
[22:23] <mwhudson> hads: one is a way of powering on and off this 5v device i have from software
[22:23] <lifeless> mwhudson: do you want to build, or to have ;)
[22:23] <mwhudson> lifeless: well, i want to have
[22:24] <mwhudson> hads: it's got a 5.5 mm OD 2.1 mm ID dc jack so i'm thinking a dc plug -> bare wire -> usb controlled relay -> bare wire -> dc connector type assembly
[22:25] <hads> Yup sounds about right.
[22:25] <mwhudson> hads: the other is a way of completely unplugging a usb device from software, which i guess is a similar hack, although i don't know if you need relay on each wire or if one on the +5v wire is enough
[22:26] <hads> I've wanted to do the same myself actually.
[22:26] <hads> Let me think about it.
[22:28] <mwhudson> for the former task in our lab we have a bunch of 240v pdus on the upside of the 5v power supplies
[22:28] <mwhudson> but that's kinda ridiculous
[22:28] <hads> It's more than one?
[22:29] <mwhudson> well
[22:29] <mwhudson> we have a lab with 50 odd devices that need to be power controlled
[22:29] <mwhudson> for development on my desk i have 1
[22:29] <hads> Ah right. Can I ask what they are?
[22:30] <mwhudson> hads: sure, they're arm developer boards
[22:30] <mwhudson> a panda in my case
[22:30] <hads> Cool.
[22:30] <mwhudson> (actually i have three boards, but one is a broken panda and another is a beagle xm and noone seems to care about omap3 any more in linaro)
[22:30] <hads> I just bought in an XM for someone yesterday.
[22:31]  * ajmitch wants to do something slightly simpler, a lap counter/timer for a slot car track :)
[22:32] <mwhudson> i found a place you could buy usb to bare wire cables, of course ironically it costs a lot more than a regular usb cable :)
[22:32] <hads> ajmitch: You need lasers :)
[22:32] <mwhudson> i would like to avoid soldering if i can, but even i can manage wire strippers
[22:33] <ajmitch> hads: obviously
[22:33] <ajmitch> though I think I may keep it a *little* simpler than that
[22:33] <hads> Yeah, people ask about custom cables occastionally. 90% of the time it's cheaper and quicker to get a normal one and cut it in half.
[22:33] <hads> Hmm new word.
[22:34] <hads> mwhudson: Are you in a rush? I could probably whip something up but it might take a while.
[22:34] <mwhudson> hads: no not really
[22:34] <mwhudson> hads: define "a while"?  weeks, months?
[22:35] <hads> I would say weeks but then it's not too many weeks until Christmas :/
[22:35] <mwhudson> heh
[22:36] <mwhudson> early ish 2013 would be fine
[22:36] <hads> Okay cool, let me add it to my list :)
[22:36] <mwhudson> heh
[22:38] <hads> Every time I try and start working on something for myself I get more work for someone else :)
[22:41] <hads> mwhudson: ~$50 https://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/products/usb-actuators/yocto-relay
[22:42] <mwhudson> hads: panda requires 3a :(
[22:42] <mwhudson> hads: i had found these: http://www.sedonia.co.nz/TCTEC-Super4-USB-relay-module.htm
[22:44] <hads> Seems cheap enough. You'd need to figure out if you can talk to it easily.
[22:45] <mwhudson> they have some demo c code
[22:45] <mwhudson> it's some ftdi chip
[22:45] <hads> http://www.sigma-shop.com/product/7/usb-relay-controller-one-channel-box.html
[22:46] <mwhudson> i wonder if they just show up as /dev/ttySOMETHING when you plug them in
[22:47] <mwhudson> oh heh
[22:47] <mwhudson> the manual has as sample code:
[22:47] <mwhudson> stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 9600 // the relay 1 go ON.
[22:47] <mwhudson> echo $'\xff\x01\x01' > ttyUSB0
[22:48] <hads> Yeah that last one shows up as a USB serial port.
[22:48] <hads> So that would be super easy.
[22:48] <hads> That's how I'd build it too.
[22:48] <mwhudson> or /dev/serial/by-path/$foo for added sanity
[22:49] <mwhudson> i guess the one with 4 relays would mean you could build more stuff for less $$
[22:54] <hads> There probably isn't much point me reinventing those wheels.
[22:57] <mwhudson> i guess not, i should probably just buy a dc cable and a relay and get the wire strippers out
[23:00] <ojwb> so i complain to air nz about them using poli which is windows only
[23:00] <ojwb> and they assume I'm a mac user
[23:00] <ojwb> I feel insulted!
[23:00] <hads> mwhudson: In the next week or so I'll have some 5.5/2.1mm DC cable pigtails :)
[23:00] <hads> ojwb: AirNZ are terrible.
[23:01] <mwhudson> but all other airlines are worse
[23:01] <ojwb> sadly there aren't great alternatives much of the time
[23:01] <mwhudson> hads: oh cool!
[23:01] <hads> ojwb: Extortionate CC fees that aren't reflective of what they actually cost.
[23:01] <ojwb> charging for actually paying is such a budget airline tactic too
[23:01] <ojwb> i can't really see why they're trying to position themselves in that area of the market
[23:02] <hads> The are a budget airline now as much as they don't like to admit it.
[23:02] <mwhudson> hads: do you have terminal blocks (i think that's the right word?) appropriate for connecting the ends that won't go into the relay?
[23:02] <mwhudson> jaycar only seem to have hilariously huge ones in stock
[23:02] <hads> ojwb: They must be charged around 1.5% CC fees from the bank, on cheaper flights with AirNZ you can be paying 10-20%
[23:03] <G> ojwb: wasn't it at one point that AirNZ would waive the fee if you couldn't pay with POLi because you didn't use Windows?
[23:03] <hads> I think they still may.
[23:03] <ojwb> they certainly don't automatically now
[23:03] <G> ojwb: I think you had to call up and moan at them
[23:03] <hads> No you have to ring and try and get someone to understand.
[23:04] <ojwb> hmm, the email reply said I could phone, but "not all fares may be available through reservations"
[23:04] <hads> mwhudson: Not sure what type of thing you mean sorry, link?
[23:04] <G> personally dare I say it, I've had better service from Qantas lately compared to AirNZ (online checkin certainly is a plus too)
[23:05] <mwhudson> hads: http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=HM3196&keywords=hm3194&form=KEYWORD
[23:05] <mwhudson> hads: except only one of them, and smaller than the 10a rated one
[23:14] <hads> I always fly Emirates when I have the option.
[23:15] <hads> mwhudson: Ah right, sorry I don't stock those. The local electrical wholesaler will have them, 6A is the smallest.
[23:16] <mwhudson> oh right
[23:16] <mwhudson> so like bunnings or equivalent?
[23:41] <ojwb> sadly there doesn't seem to be any alternative airline for wellington to dunedin
[23:41] <ojwb> perhaps I could fly via auckland with jetstar, though it doesn't let me book it without 26 hours in auckland
[23:44] <ajmitch> flying via auckland on jetstar is getting pretty desperate
[23:45] <ojwb> indeed
[23:45] <ojwb> auckland airport is even further from dunedin than dunedin airport is
[23:50] <ajmitch> why would you want to visit dunedin anyway?
[23:51] <ajmitch> it's a bit damp down here today
[23:53] <ojwb> conference thing in december
[23:54] <ajmitch> I see
[23:54] <chilts> it's a bit damp down there in December
[23:54]  * chilts speculates
[23:54] <ajmitch> might be
[23:56] <ojwb> hopefully they're holding it indoors
[23:57] <ojwb> if anyone fancies meeting for lunch on 4th or 7th, let me know
[23:58] <ajmitch> are you available on the evening of the 4th? that's when we have our monthly codecraft meeting on campus
[23:58] <ajmitch> 5:30 on the tuesday afternoon if you are around for it
[23:59] <ojwb> might be
[23:59] <ojwb> there's stuff on the 5th and 6th evenings, but I don't know of anything on 4th yet


[00:00] <ianorlin> I honesly don't know
[00:03] <carla_> by the way during setting up I got some errors, even though at the end seems working.... but only for the session time
[00:13] <oo_miguel> ianorlin: it is a link in the start-menue (For htop or mc)
[00:13] <oo_miguel> I will have a look at its contents
[00:14] <ianorlin> copy the desktop file to ~/.local/applicatoins/
[00:34] <oo_miguel> thank you ianorlin. Ill give it a try
[21:42] <ThomasB2> Hey, in Ubuntu 14.04, how can I install Lubuntu to a USB drive?
[22:13] <ScioMin> this is driving me nuts. whenever I select a text on ANY desktop application it copies to terminal. I purged everything I could find including parcellite. Any hints?
[22:30] <ScioMin> found it! kupfer's "Clipboards" plugin was active and set to copy selections.


[08:43] <brendand> sil2100, any new vivid image soon?
[08:59] <ogra_> brendand, nusakan had its disks replaced ... crontab might still be off
[08:59] <ogra_> (or extended, not sure they replaced them)
[09:01] <sil2100> Yeah, there was supposed to be a switch on /srv made yesterdayish
[09:01] <sil2100> Need to check what's up with that
 nusakan is back online with an extra TB of disk space
[09:01] <ogra_> 23:42 my time from another channel
[09:02] <ogra_> so i guess it should be fine
[09:02] <sil2100> Ok then
[09:02] <sil2100> brendand: you need a new image?
[09:03] <ogra_> i suspect the crontab was put back in place after 2:00 UTC so that we missed the cron time for the phone builds
[09:03] <ogra_> (they build at 2:03 and 2:04
[09:03] <ogra_> )
[09:05] <brendand> sil2100, well if there was supposed to be one...
[09:09] <cjwatson> the crontab's certainly back by now
[09:10] <cjwatson> and it attempted a build at 2:03 but failed, see the logs
[09:10] <cjwatson> or at least partially failed, something to do with the isotracker code
[09:13] <brendand> sil2100, can someone have a look?
[09:14] <sil2100> Yeah, will look now
[09:18] <sil2100> Indeed, looks like a qatracker error, the rootfs built fine but then later on the road it failed
[09:39] <sil2100> Both the vivid and wily builds failed, but for different reasons
[09:47] <davmor2> sil2100: shouldn't the calendar app be in the image now?
[09:51] <sil2100> davmor2: not yet
[09:51] <davmor2> sil2100: fair enough
[09:51] <sil2100> davmor2: Chris was adding it to the BQ customs, but I didn't get the right info yet to get it into the community ones
[09:52] <davmor2> sil2100: no worries I just realised it was there so thought I would ask :)
[10:04] <sil2100> We want it on all images, but it's not the case yet
[10:25] <sil2100> ogra_, brendand: hmmm
[10:26] <sil2100> ogra_, brendand: I actually see the midnight image on the s-i server, why did this get reported as a problem?
[10:26]  * sil2100 didn't double-check if the image is missing
[10:26] <brendand> sil2100, i don't see an update though this morning?
[10:26] <brendand> sil2100, for vivid
[10:27] <sil2100> https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/krillin/version-207.json
[10:27] <ogra_> hmm, i seem to have one on my krillin
[10:27] <sil2100> This is the image from today
[10:27] <ogra_> ahm the arale wasnt on wifi ...
[10:28] <ogra_> so i'm now getting one on arale too
[10:28] <brendand> sil2100, what about ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en?
[10:28] <ogra_> thats the one i use on krillin
[10:28] <sil2100> brendand: in theory it uses rootfses from /ubuntu
[10:28] <sil2100> Let me double-check
[10:29] <sil2100> https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/version-48.jsonhttps://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/version-48.json
[10:29] <sil2100> uh, double paste
[10:29] <brendand> sil2100, ok just weird. it didn't show me that this morning
[10:29] <ogra_> my arale is on 37 ... on meizu.en
[10:30] <ogra_> and krillin on 48
[10:31] <ogra_> bah, no SIM PIN dialog ...
[10:31] <ogra_> jibel, ^^
[10:31] <ogra_> still here for me
[10:31] <jibel> ogra_, on krillin?
[10:32] <sil2100> arale I guess
[10:32] <jibel> ah
[10:32] <ogra_> jibel, arale indeed
[10:32] <jibel> let me try with latest build
[10:32] <jibel> I couldn't reproduce the problem yesterday
[10:32] <ogra_> i had the dialog for the last three upgrades ...
[10:32] <jibel> ogra_, if you feel brave you can try silo 35
[10:32] <jibel> it contains additional debugging code
[10:32] <ogra_> perhaps later today
[10:34] <jibel> yay, battery is empty
[10:35] <ogra_> news at 5
[10:36] <jibel> ogra_, iahmad has bug 1451565 again on wily
[10:37] <ogra_> sigh
[10:37] <sil2100> grrrr, I hate google
[11:27] <sil2100> I jump out for lunch now, will be watching my phone in case anything urgent is needed
[14:04] <sil2100> charles: https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/faster-eds-tests/+merge/262700 <- hey! Could you get this one approved?
[14:04] <sil2100> Like, top-approved
[15:15] <mzanetti> trainguards, please reconfig row 48/silo 17. I've added a unity-api branch
[15:39] <sil2100> mzanetti: on it
[15:39] <mzanetti> ta
[16:06] <dbarth> o/ trainguards, can i have a silo for line 55 ?
[16:10] <sil2100> dbarth: on it!
[16:11] <sil2100> dbarth: uh!
[16:11] <sil2100> dbarth: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/webbrowser-app/cookie-sharing-refactored is not a merge, actually there is no merge for this branch yet ;p
[16:29] <dbarth> sil2100: grmpf
[16:30] <dbarth> sil2100: now there is a proper mp
[16:30] <sil2100> \o/
[16:34] <dbarth> ty!
[16:38] <sil2100> yw!
[18:17] <slangasek> AlbertA: hi, so I see that you've approved https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/platform-api/lp.1465958.  What's the next step to actually getting this landed?
[18:18] <AlbertA> slangasek: I'm in the middle of it...landing-013
[18:18] <slangasek> AlbertA: ok, great!
[18:18] <AlbertA> slangasek: however, because of the massive cleanup in platform-api
[18:18] <AlbertA> we need to patch gst plugins bad
[18:18] <AlbertA> as it refers to non-existant headers
[18:19] <AlbertA> which are not used in any case...the code that uses them is all #if 0 already
[18:19] <slangasek> ok


[17:13] <Seven_Six_Two> are loco teams receiving install media for 14.04? Have they already been sent?
[17:28] <BobJonkman1> Seven_Six_Two:  Ubuntu-ca will be getting a pack of DVDs.
[17:29] <BobJonkman1> But those DVDs won't be pressed until 14.04 is actually released, so it'll be a few weeks yet.
[17:29] <BobJonkman1> If you're running an Ubuntu Hour or other kind of gathering then dscassel will ship you a pack of 10 DVDs
[17:33] <Seven_Six_Two> none of the city locos will get them directly?
[18:47] <BobJonkman1> Seven_Six_Two: No, Canonical only sends DVDs to the contact for the country LoCo. In this case that's dscassel
[18:48] <BobJonkman1> Send him a message to ask for disks.  I might see him tonight, and I can forward your contact info.
[18:48] <BobJonkman1> "Darcy Casselman"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:53] <Guest25048> Hi Bob I assume you are the one planning the Virtual Release Party for ubuntu-ca. Could you tell me what is planned for the event? Thanks
[19:03] <Seven_Six_Two> BobJonkman1, thanks for letting me know. I'll send him an email.
[19:04] <BobJonkman1> Guest25048: Although I planned it, CrankyOldBugger +JeffSmith is running it.
[19:05] <BobJonkman1> Anyone can join it, just let Jeff know so he can add you to the list of active participants.
[19:06] <BobJonkman1> It's nice if you have a Webcam and mic so we can see each other and chat, but you can always use IRC for that too.
[19:07] <BobJonkman1> There's a YouTube view-only session if you want to watch without putting yourself in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXJ1lgDTBM
[19:07] <BobJonkman1> Virtual Release Party link on Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/events/cm9l4dh1ea8vhl5q0lp8cumbgq4
[19:08] <BobJonkman1> And if you want to register for the event, whether you'll be on Video or only watching: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2782/detail/
[19:08] <BobJonkman1> Registration is strictly optional, but it'll be nice to show good stats when Ubuntu-ca has to renew their LoCo status next year
[19:15] <genii> Time to leave work and get to the cupcakes, etc :)
[19:16] <genii> BobJonkman1: I'll connect back from Alio in a few hours
[19:16] <BobJonkman1> genii: See you in the chat?
[19:16] <BobJonkman1> Maybe later, then.
[19:16] <BobJonkman1> :)
[22:06] <belkinsa> Hey there, Cranky.
[22:06] <Cranky> hey!
[22:06] <belkinsa> Ready?
[22:06] <Cranky> the google hangout is giving me grief, I hope to get it to behave shortly
[22:07] <belkinsa> Eh, it's Google.  ;)
[22:10] <Cranky> finally!!!
[22:10] <belkinsa> Linky please!
[22:10] <Cranky> once again, we are on the air!
[22:10] <Cranky> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeTDYrpBDoWUa_IgLuAdwtPp53hmac8HjnAlNQQw3BVN6j7kg
[22:11] <Cranky> come one, come all!
[22:14] <belkinsa> New features rock.
[22:14] <Cranky> they do
[22:19] <belkinsa> This is my second successful one.
[22:19] <belkinsa> Both from you guys.
[22:21] <belkinsa> What type of tea?
[22:23] <belkinsa> Tomas: I have one a 2013 one
[22:25] <belkinsa> For the Tomas: http://ubuntusense.com/2013/12/25/christmas-2013/
[22:26] <belkinsa> Coming, jose?
[22:26] <jose> belkinsa: read my  PM
[22:27] <belkinsa> Cranky, jose needs you.
[22:28] <Cranky> sorry i just saw that.. what's up Jose?
[22:29] <belkinsa> Speaking of stickers: I found this neat one: https://www.etsy.com/listing/157542450/ubuntu-symbol-bumper-sticker-window?ref=sr_gallery_5&ga_search_query=Ubuntu&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery
[22:30] <belkinsa> He is in a mess
[22:30] <Cranky> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeTDYrpBDoWUa_IgLuAdwtPp53hmac8HjnAlNQQw3BVN6j7kg
[22:31] <belkinsa> [18:31] <jose> he's not responding to my PMs :(
[22:31] <belkinsa> Cranky, ^^^
[22:31] <belkinsa> Sigh.
[22:32] <belkinsa> Cranky, [18:32] <jose> I want to make sure he agrees to be at ubuntuonair.com
[22:32] <belkinsa> Cranky, [18:32] <jose> and also that he's good with people from around the world joining
[22:33] <belkinsa> Cranky, [18:32] <jose> but I want to talk to him on PM about it
[22:33] <Cranky> I like the window sticker..
[22:33] <belkinsa> Sorry jose for this
[22:33] <jose> np
[22:33] <belkinsa> Cool.
[22:33] <belkinsa> I have one for my car and for my laptop
[22:33] <Cranky> what can I help you with, jose?
[22:33] <jose> Cranky: can we talk on PM, please?
[22:35] <belkinsa> Yeah, he is.
[22:35] <belkinsa> But he is VERY nice.
[22:36] <belkinsa> So, how many of you are there at the party?
[22:37] <belkinsa> [18:36] <jose> working on getting it at ubuntuonair.com now!
[22:39] <belkinsa> Look what is on the homepage of the http://ubuntuonair.com/
[22:39] <belkinsa> jose, has the hangout up there for others to join from around the world!
[22:39] <belkinsa> Sorry
[22:40] <Cranky> so far there's 5 at the restaurant
[22:40] <belkinsa> Will be back
[22:40] <Cranky> yes, jose is gathering my minions for me!
[22:40] <Cranky> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeTDYrpBDoWUa_IgLuAdwtPp53hmac8HjnAlNQQw3BVN6j7kg
[22:40] <belkinsa> Will be back in 5 minutes
[22:40] <belkinsa> Dinner
[22:40] <Cranky> enjoy!
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> who is on cam? I've never met Bob, but I recognize him.
[22:45] <Cranky> Bob is the bearded one
[22:45] <Cranky> I am the large one
[22:47] <Cranky> jose is to working ok?
[22:47] <jose> Cranky: everything sounds good
[22:48] <jose> Cranky: if you update ubuntuonair.com you should be there
[22:48] <jose> refresh the page
[22:50] <belkinsa> Back
[22:52] <jose> why don't you guys chat about anything? :P
[22:52] <belkinsa> Maybe you need to get in here
[22:52] <belkinsa> Jono!
[22:53] <belkinsa> '
[22:53] <belkinsa> Give me a min
[22:54] <belkinsa> What a group!
[22:56] <BobJonkman1> Whoa! We're on UbuntuOnAir.com !
[22:56] <belkinsa> We are!
[23:00] <belkinsa> Cranky, you there?
[23:03] <jose> BobJonkman: can you please contact Jeff and get him back online?
[23:03] <jose> otherwise the hangout will end
[23:03] <jose> same link
[23:05] <Cranky> I live again!
[23:05] <thomas_> Hooray!
[23:06] <belkinsa> Woot.
[23:06] <Cranky> can someone send me back that link to the hangou?
[23:07] <jose> Cranky: you need to start another hangout as it passed more than 5m since you dropped
[23:07] <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeTDYrpBDoWUa_IgLuAdwtPp53hmac8HjnAlNQQw3BVN6j7kg
[23:07] <jose> belkinsa: old link won't work
[23:07] <belkinsa> Ah
[23:07] <Cranky> thanks!
[23:08] <jose> Cranky: send me the youtube and hangout links via PM
[23:09] <belkinsa> Too bad you guys can't have screen casting of what you are doing on your computers/
[23:10] <jose> Cranky: already started the new hangout?
[23:14] <belkinsa> Cranky, [19:13] <jose> can you please tell them to make a new one? I need it for ubuntuonair.com
[23:16] <belkinsa> Cranky, ping.
[23:24] <belkinsa> Cranky, status of the new Hangout that will be Live for the rest of us?
[23:27] <Cranky> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeTDYrpBDoWUa_IgLuAdwtPp53hmac8HjnAlNQQw3BVN6j7kg
[23:27] <Cranky> sorry for the wait..
[23:27] <belkinsa> It's cool
[23:28] <belkinsa> That was the same link!
[23:28] <belkinsa> [19:28] <jose> it's the exact same link
[23:31] <Cranky> but it's working
[23:31] <Cranky> i see people
[23:31] <Cranky> i hear voices
[23:32] <belkinsa> But you forgot us!
[23:34] <Cranky> now the wifi dropped again..
[23:34] <belkinsa> Well it was a wroth of a try
[23:36] <Cranky> weird.  it says off air but i can see and hear you guys
[23:36] <belkinsa> It means that it's not streaming ti the word
[23:45] <Cranky> wow the wifi here is flaky
[23:53] <belkinsa> thomas_, that would be better
[23:53] <thomas_> cool
[23:54] <belkinsa> But I think they are ignoring us


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[09:07] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[09:07] <dholbach> hi iulian
[20:11] <ESphynx> Hey guys, what's the Unity dev channel again?
[20:11] <ESphynx> Also, is anyone coming to FOSSCON this weekend? :)
[20:14] <tumbleweed> debconf
[20:15] <ESphynx> debconf?
[20:15] <ESphynx> this weekend/
[20:15] <Unit193> Debian Conference.
[20:15] <ESphynx> In Switzerland??
[20:15] <tumbleweed> this week was debcamp. debconf starts sunday
[20:15] <ESphynx> that is nice
[20:15] <ESphynx> you guys from the US are going there?
[20:16] <ESphynx> tumbleweed: drop in a word about eC/Ecere for me , will you :P
[20:16] <ESphynx> DebCamp is in Switzerland as well?
[20:17] <ESphynx> Unity dev chan? :P
[20:26] <Noskcaj> How should i package a program that now needs automake1.14? (gthumb)
[20:31] <tumbleweed> ESphynx: yes, in switzerland. it doubles as a chance to set up infrastructure
[20:32] <ESphynx> nice! :)


[10:29] <dothebart> i just want to know if i have to take further actions on that.
[10:30] <ScottK> I looked and based on your comment, I would say yes.  I'd need to see the actuall wording to know for sure.
[10:31] <ScottK> Ubuntu is pretty particular about getting the copyright stuff correct and you don't find out until you get to the front of the NEW queue (after some wait) if the archive admin is happy or not.  Better to work really hard up front to be complete and correct.
[10:32] <dothebart> http://tar.gzipped.org/citadel.schema
[10:32] <dothebart> and
[10:32] <dothebart> http://tar.gzipped.org/rfc2739.schema
[10:34] <ScottK> dothebart: http://tar.gzipped.org/rfc2739.schema now lacks any mention of licensing.  It needs at least the GPL mention you have in the other one.
[10:34] <dothebart> wouldn't that be implicit with the package?
[10:35] <ScottK> Why not mention it and avoid risk of confusion?  This is in a grey area and may or may not be OK in the end.  Why take a chance?
[10:36] <dothebart> ok, i'll post it over.
[10:37] <ScottK> Did you understand my point on libical about the COPYING file OK?
[10:37] <dothebart> not yet totaly, didn't have the time to view it with concentration...
[10:38] <ScottK> OK.
[10:38] <nixternal> http://www.softorchestra.com/downloads/libhttp-1.1.tar.gz
[10:38] <ScottK> Ideally when you package something, the only place you should touch in the package is inside the debian dir.
[10:38] <dothebart> just returned from a 64 km ride with the roadbike after riding 20 km home after work ;)
[10:38] <nixternal> anyone feel like looking through that and telling me just how involved the debian/rules file would be
[10:39] <nixternal> I have everything else already configged...rules is my only problem...more than likely would have to reconfigure Makefile (dpatch/patch)
[10:39] <ScottK> If you have to repack the original tarball, there are rules you have to follow.  Since you are upstream, put the COPYING file in the original tarball.  It'll be easier.
[10:39] <ScottK> dothebart: Watch out, excercise is dangerous.
[10:40] <dothebart> well, being upstream i don't need the patches dir as long as my changes go well with the rest of the users.
[10:40] <dothebart> ok.
[10:41] <dothebart> i think there soon will be a .30 of libical available on upstream, and it looks as if evolution is going to use it again instead of their fork.
[10:41] <ScottK> OK.  So you are not upstream for libical then?
[10:42] <dothebart> well, i can become with one question to the citadel team leader.
[10:42] <dothebart> but, as long as my changes are reasonable, they won't be questioned.
[10:44] <ScottK> OK.  Then I'd ask them to add the COPYING file in their upstream tarball.
[11:23] <xxxxx1> bye all
[11:32] <ScottK> I uploaded my work in progress clamav-alt package to REVU.  Comments/help appreciated at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5254
[11:32] <ScottK> See you all later.  Time for me to go play Daddy for the evening.
[11:37] <fretchen> hello, where is a nice forum to discuss problems with packiging the examples of the documentation?
[11:45] <tudenbart> re.
[11:46] <PriceChild> Any motu's willing to take a look over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5249 ? persia mentioned "special attention to the copyright provisions and the compliance with python policy." would be good :)
[11:57] <dothebart> ScottK: by motu, do you mean signing that paper?
[11:57] <dothebart> aka being ubuntero? i did that.
[11:58] <ScottK> No.  Gimme a sec, I'll get you the link
[11:58] <somerville32> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?
[11:59] <ScottK> No, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[11:59] <ScottK> dothebart: Read that and it'll tell you how to fill out Maintainer.
[11:59] <dothebart> ok, tnx.
[12:01] <ScottK> See you later.
[12:01] <dothebart> yes, SIG_SLEEP
[12:12] <beuno> does anyone know what would be requiered to setup an offcial mirror of the Ubuntu repos?


[18:59] <belkinsa> Aleo, meeting is in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:04] <Aleo> thank you
[19:04] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[20:04] <belkinsa> Sorry, some other team might need the channel.
[20:05] <belkinsa> Yeah, Wiki is having loading issues again.
[20:07] <belkinsa> Reporting page created: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Reporting
[20:09] <Aleo> Excellent.  I am signing off.  I will check again when I wake up for real.
[20:09] <belkinsa> Alright.
[20:09] <belkinsa> I might do some work on other pages.


[07:38] <jglauche> hi, I am on 16.04 still; is there a good way to reconfigure my system to not tank if I am copying large files to an external media?
[07:39] <jglauche> it helps if I set the sync mont option on the external drive, but I cannot find a setting for the autmounter.
[07:52] <jglauche> I ended up adding the UUID of the specific device to my /etc/fstab
[07:53] <jglauche> I don't like the solution but at least I only have to do it per device.


[09:04] <zx2c4> DalekSec: could you make sure we get 20200215 before apw backports an old version?
[09:04] <zx2c4> Looks like they're messing with that stuff now
[09:05] <apw> zx2c4, hmm, the current version is sitting on the queue for review
[09:06] <zx2c4> Yes. This is why ive been making noise for a few days now...
[09:07] <zx2c4> People keep passing it around "not my problem"
[09:07] <zx2c4> Upstream dev keeps prodding "do the downstream stuff right"
[09:07] <zx2c4> Downstream keeps passing around responsibility
[09:07] <zx2c4> Upstream keeps prodding
[09:09] <zx2c4> If the bottleneck is dkg, who doesnt care about ubuntu and apparently has limited time for debian, then either DalekSec should takeover that package or ubuntu shouldnt hesitate to diverge
[09:09] <apw> oh we're not afraid of running ahead normally
[09:09] <apw> though the backport is about setting a precident for sru'ing the new package at all
[09:09] <zx2c4> Well, bump the package and nuke the bogus module reload logic in ubuntu then
[18:03] <xclaesse> When I undock my lenovo x395 (amd chipset) USB dies. I see those logs: https://pastebin.com/m4w1v1Xf. I can make usb work again by rebooting or echo '0000:05:00.3' > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/xhci_hcd/unbind (then bind). Is that a known issue? What info would you need to have a useful bug report?
[18:09] <xclaesse> oh, seems exactly that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1857385
[22:40] <DalekSec> zx2c4: dkg uploaded it to Debian, so it's now just for me or someone else to merge, I'll be able to get to it Thursday or Friday, unless someone else is quicker.
[22:41] <DalekSec> https://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wireguard-linux-compat/news/20200218T033451Z.html hrm..
[22:42] <zx2c4> Oh good
[22:42] <zx2c4> He said he'd do the script fixes "later"
[22:43] <zx2c4> Id prefer we just nix em entirely of course. I think that behavior is crazy
[22:43] <zx2c4> DalekSec:
[22:43] <zx2c4> (see wg dev chan)
[22:50] <DalekSec> With regards to dkg maintaining stuff, he has quite a lot listed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but he seems pretty thorough so that's great, imo. :)
[22:55] <DalekSec> zx2c4: But yeah, I'm out of town (In Indiana, actually) until Thursday night. :3
[22:59] <zx2c4> DalekSec: indiana! Fun
[23:00] <zx2c4> I got a tictac stuck in my nose on the way home from the indiana children's museum when i was real young
[23:01] <zx2c4> Indianpolis childrens museum
[23:04] <DalekSec> Hah!  Nice. :P