[12:00] <BiteMeBill> bulio: what network card do you have?
[12:00] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Why did that bot tell me something didn't look right?
[12:00] <Quarupt> How can I male it so i can call the limewire script from anywhere? put it in my PATH?
[12:01] <Quarupt> make
[12:01] <bulio> Pci/PnP network:
[12:01] <bulio> Device Description	Type
[12:01] <bulio> Hewlett-Packard EN1207D-TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter	PCI
[12:02] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Ok BRB
[12:02] <cybergasm> what version of debian is ubuntu based on?
[12:02] <Levander> Is there anything to getting a default ubuntu mysql install to allow connections to come in from other machines other than commenting out skip-networking in my.cnf?
[12:02] <Quarupt> sid
[12:03] <Quarupt> cybergasm, Im pretty sure its sid
[12:04] <Quarupt> maybe Warty is based on woody or sarge and Hoary is based on sid
[12:04] <Loevborg> Levander, yes
[12:04] <mjr> Quarupt, not exactly
[12:05] <Loevborg> Levander, the permissions for your databases might specify that only localhost ist allowed
[12:05] <mjr> warty is based on sid too, just an earlier snapshot
[12:05] <Quarupt> oh
[12:05] <Quarupt> well ya lean something evceryday
[12:05] <Quarupt> Thanks
[12:06] <Loevborg> Levander, to check: mysql -uroot -p mysql, select * from user;
[12:06] <Quarupt> mjr can you refresh my memory on how so add a .sh to your path so it can be galled anywhere?
[12:06] <Quarupt> something in bash.rc right?
[12:07] <Quarupt> or basgrc.conf or whatever is is
[12:07] <Quarupt> bashrc.conf
[12:09] <scizzo> anyone knows which is used mostly acpid or apm?
[12:09] <spiral> 'night
[12:09] <billytwowilly> acpid
[12:09] <billytwowilly> apm=old and busted
[12:09] <scizzo> hmmm..ok
[12:10] <elcuco> which application do i have to watch tv?
[12:10] <Levander> loevborg, i get table output from that command that looks like it's supposed to be in columns, but the columns get all messed up on my screen
[12:10] <Alessio> sorry
[12:10] <Alessio> i use gxmame
[12:10] <Alessio> but it doesn't find my roms
[12:10] <Alessio> but hte path is ggod
[12:10] <Alessio> *good
[12:11] <Loevborg> Levander, yes, we all love mysql's output :)
[12:11] <IRCMonkey> I have an installation question for which I have found no help in the support forums
[12:11] <IRCMonkey> anybody willing to listen?
[12:11] <Levander> you know which columns i'm supposed to look for so i can only query for those, really can't figure out that output
[12:11] <Loevborg> Levander, "user" I suppose
[12:12] <raydogg``> when was array 5 released ?
[12:12] <Quarupt> so v=can someone help me add this script to the PATh so i can call it from anywhere
[12:12] <Levander> loevborg, okay, i get root, debian-sys-maint, and root as results
[12:13] <Levander> loevborg, but u know i get the host not allowed message even when i'm using telnet, that doesn't know anything about which user
[12:13] <Levander> telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 3306 gives same error
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, "select Host,User from user;"
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, if you get "localhost"s, then you've found your problem.
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, you're probably better off creating a new user for wordpress anyway.
[12:15] <Levander> loevborg, no root is is in two rows, one with localhost as the host, the other with bread (the DNS name of my linux box) in the host column
[12:15] <Levander> loevborg, this is simply to learn more about mysql, i'll get it running, then make it run correctly
[12:15] <Loevborg> Levander, you can change that to "%"
[12:16] <IRCMonkey> I have a major installation problem without an apparent solution
[12:16] <Levander> change what to %?
[12:16] <uMkulu> Levander: that doesn't look right
[12:16] <Loevborg> Levander, then try if it changes a thing
[12:16] <IRCMonkey> maybe somebody can help me out
[12:16] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else here have problems with an HP network card not being compatable?
[12:16] <Loevborg> Levander, update Host="%" where user="root";
[12:16] <Phillbo> anyone set up pptp to a ms2k3 box with warty yet? any help appreciated
[12:17] <Loevborg> Levander, but you'd better use the "grant" command for real life - see mysql documentation.
[12:17] <Quarupt> can i put export PATH=/home/user/Limewire/runLime.sh:${PATH} anywhere in my bashrc ?
[12:18] <Levander> loevborg, instead of changing all root users to %, can I change just the root user on bread to %? Just sounds safer
[12:18] <Levander> update host="%" where user="root" and host="bread"; give me a syntax error
[12:18] <Loevborg> Levander, sure. I leave that as an excercise to you to figure out :)
[12:18] <Levander> learning mysql sux
[12:19] <Loevborg> Levander, try single quotes :|
[12:19] <Quarupt> anyone?
[12:19] <Levander> loevborg, same error, i think the problem is i'm not specifying the table name
[12:20] <kent> Do a normal desktop need evms to be installed? Enterprise Volume Management sounds like something i dont neeed.. ?
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, oops sorry, I'm rusty
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, update user etc etc...
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, update user set host='%' where ...;
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, fortunately, I don't do much sql nowadays :)
[12:21] <Levander> okay, that worked, i have to commit or anything before trying to connect again?
[12:21] <Loevborg> Levander, remember to issue "flush privilleges;" after that
[12:21] <socomm> Are there any plans for better multimedia integration into ubuntu's interface?
[12:21] <Loevborg> with correct spelling, preferrably :)
[12:21] <Levander> says, okay! i'm about to try it!!!
[12:22] <Levander> uhoh, might be working!!! hold on!!!
[12:23] <Levander> well, telneting into the localhost on that port doesn't kick me out anymore
[12:23] <Levander> but
[12:23] <rcchan> anybody wanna help a newb (me), with a screen resolution issue?
[12:24] <Levander> using the mysql connector/odbc on my xp box to connect gives me different error, 'Access denied for<EMAIL_ADDRESS> That's the IP of my XP box.
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> seems it work :D
[12:27] <hayden> i just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones
[12:27] <Loevborg> Levander, mysqld just has some decency.
[12:28] <Levander> Loevborg, decency?
[12:28] <Loevborg> or taste.
[12:28] <Levander> ha, screw u man, this is taking me way to long!
[12:28] <Levander> but thanks for your help
[12:28] <Levander> i'm gonna look for some docs in the ubuntu wiki, then give up for the day i think
[12:29] <Loevborg> Levander, sure. I know the feeling.   Those guys really help a brother out!
[12:31] <rcchan> has anyone had a need for 855resolution?
[12:31] <johnnybezak> if i upgrade all my packages to hoary, what happens with X?
[12:33] <BiteMeBill> johnnybezak: your X moves out but takes your dog with here though.
[12:33] <BiteMeBill> sorry couldn't resist.
[12:35] <johnnybezak> BiteMeBill: lol
[12:35] <johnnybezak> no but seriously, will it copy my xfree config to wherever the x.org config is stored?
[12:36] <BiteMeBill> johnnybezak: I'm not sure but I haven't heard anyone complain about losing it.
[12:37] <johnnybezak> BiteMeBill: ok
[12:37] <Rocha> Hello, just another question...
[12:37] <dazed> hey who knows about smb support to get on windows networking???
[12:37] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: did that work?
[12:37] <Rocha> How can I configure my computer to connect to a vpn network?
[12:37] <johnnybezak> dazed: i know a little
[12:37] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, nop, i asked my collegue to make the drawings with open office.
[12:37] <ompaul> Rocha, the best software I found for that is OpenVPN
[12:38] <dazed> johnny bezak can you help me out?
[12:38] <johnnybezak> dazed: i can give it a go :)
[12:38] <Rocha> ompaul, ok, i'll try that
[12:38] <Rocha> ompaul, i hope it's easy to configure, i'm in a hurry
[12:38] <ompaul> Rocha, it should almost work out of the box - you need to let icmp into the network
[12:38] <dazed> ok well im on nix and im on my friends windows network i want to do some file sharing i goto networking click on enable windows networking and it says SMB support is not running
[12:39] <ompaul> it needs to keep the hidden channel alive and does so with a ping every 15 seconds as default behaviour
[12:39] <Yannick_> anyone succeeded on installing grub on and S-ATA drive?
[12:40] <ompaul> Rocha, it is not bad if you read the docs,  most important thing is to make sure you use the same version of the various ends
[12:41] <Rocha> ompaul, i want to connect to my university, i need to upload some files to deliver a project i'm working on
[12:42] <ompaul> Rocha, do they not accept ssh logins?
[12:42] <hayden> i just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones
[12:43] <johnnybezak> dazed: have you got samba installed?
[12:43] <ompaul> Rocha, then any machine on the network that accepts ssh connections will allow you run sftp or scp to log in and transfer files
[12:43] <Rocha> ompaul, only inside our personal accounts, i'm not using my personal account, i'm using a computer inside the computer science department but not my personal account
[12:44] <ompaul> well you need the same software on both ends for the VPN to work
[12:44] <ompaul> Rocha, or email them all to yourself :)
[12:45] <harunL> is there anyway of installing ubuntu on a laptop which is currently running windows but has its floppy and cdrom IO screwed up (can't read/write at all) ?
[12:45] <Rocha> ompaul, i'll send the project by email to my teacher
[12:45] <Loevborg> harunL, maybe via usb stick?
[12:45] <Rocha> ompaul, thanks anyway
[12:45] <ompaul> hokay
[12:46] <delltony> Riddell, i have a question in kde how do you change the fonts? for instance like firefox the place where you type (address field) the text is small as crap
[12:47] <Riddell> delltony: kcontrol
[12:47] <Riddell> don't know if that effects firefox, shouldn't think so
[12:47] <hawke_> Riddell: it doesn't..
[12:47] <Ziggity> help./...
[12:47] <Ziggity> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check when ./configure monodevelop
[12:47] <Ziggity> whats that mean
[12:48] <hawke_> delltony: Gnome preferences, font might do it...or it might be in firefox's preferences.
[12:48] <hawke_> or kcontrol if under kde possibly.
[12:48] <Ziggity> how do I fix it//
[12:49] <delltony> aww so under themes?
[12:49] <Ziggity> whats that about... configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:50] <kent> Ziggity, do you have the package "build-essential" installed?
[12:50] <plex0r_> how do i add a ubuntu system to a windows netrwork
[12:50] <scizzo> wow....never thought that cleaning up the ratnest of packages would be so boring.... :P
[12:50] <plex0r_> the only thing the nix system can do is log onto xchat..
[12:50] <delltony> curious what font do you recommend?
[12:50] <Ziggity> kent, I don
[12:50] <sic|> plex0r: samba
[12:51] <hayden> i just installed hoary and when i try to type hash (shift + 3) the english pound sign comes up, how can i fix that
[12:51] <Ziggity> kent, I dont know.. how do I check?
[12:51] <ompaul> hayden, you can do dpkg-reconfigure locale
[12:51] <ggeecko> is ubuntu stable to run a server
[12:51] <ompaul> hayden, sudo before that
[12:51] <sic|> plex0r: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=samba
[12:52] <kent> Ziggity, do you know how to start synaptic from the menu? Start that program and search for a package named build-essential
[12:52] <hayden> ok ill try
[12:52] <plex0r> it might help if the network card is in too :p
[12:52] <plex0r> this is for dazed
[12:52] <plex0r> :p
[12:52] <hayden> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed
[12:53] <sic|> plex0r: its usually a good idea to check the wiki or google before asking here...some people get all bent out of shape if you don't research first...I personally don't care..but you know how it is
[12:53] <plex0r> yeah
[12:53] <sic|> of course that applies to any help
[12:53] <lamont> phosphorgreen: /etc/postfix/master.cf smtpd entries need to be edited
[12:54] <sic|> ubuntu community is by far more helpful then anyone else though....very little I am too l33t to talk to you in here...in fact, I am yet to see that kind of attitude...these people rock
[12:55] <Ziggity> kent.. found it.. installing it now..
[12:55] <Ziggity> thanx
[12:56] <Ziggity> does anyone here use Monodevelop?
[12:57] <Mitario> hmm, if an app that uses an open API (XML RPC) that is released under the LGPL, can I release the app I write under the GPL then? or should I also use the LGPL
[12:57] <hayden> ompaul, do u know why it said this-> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed
[12:58] <Ziggity> ok.. now this error... configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.0
[12:58] <Ziggity> ) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your l ibraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. HELP!!
[12:58] <ompaul> hayden, because at the time I suggested it my brain was fried hang on a sec
[12:58] <Ziggity> how do I adjust that??
[12:58] <hayden> ompaul, lol ok
[12:59] <Quarupt> whats a good book for linux beginners
[12:59] <Quarupt> maybe a pdf or a ebook i can get?
[12:59] <Quarupt> maybe rute
[12:59] <ompaul> Quarupt, any online resource like the ubuntu site or the www.tldp.org
[01:00] <Ziggity> how Do I setup my ubuntu as an Email or webserver??
[01:00] <Ziggity> is there any guide??
[01:00] <hayden> apache
[01:01] <Quarupt> no like i said i want something i can use offline, like an ebook or a pdf
[01:01] <WebMaven_> Quarupt: what *kind* of beginner?
[01:01] <techn9ne> ummm theres too much to know for a "guide"
[01:01] <techn9ne> the simple stuff is on ubuntuguide
[01:01] <techn9ne> the rest you gotta search for as you need it
[01:01] <WebMaven_> Quarupt: beginning developer? Beginning User?
[01:01] <techn9ne> are you looking for a tutorial for command line stuff?
[01:01] <techn9ne> like what do you want to do?
[01:02] <techn9ne> http://www.linuxcommand.org/ ... if you want command line 101
[01:02] <kent> Ziggity, libgnomevfs2-dev   install that package  and see if it works.
[01:02] <Ziggity> where can I learn the inners of networking. so that I can setup my ubuntu in a Windows network to share printer and act as a firewall, mail server and possiblly (another machine) as a webserver
[01:02] <Quarupt> beginning user
[01:02] <Ziggity> kent : thanx - -doing that now
[01:02] <StoffBox-Steve> 2nd screen goes blank when enter X
[01:02] <techn9ne> Ziggity: ummm find a guide on samba, iptables, apache
[01:02] <andeeje> does anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and ET at the same time ?
[01:03] <kent> Ziggity, for information about setting up a server to share files with windows computers, search for samba  on the ubuntu homepage.
[01:03] <ompaul> hayden, sorry my brain is really fried why it happened I can't figure out
[01:03] <Ziggity> samba.. ok--
[01:03] <techn9ne> Ziggity: firewalls shouldnt do anything but be a firewall
[01:03] <techn9ne> if you have a dedicated system smoothwall is good
[01:03] <ompaul> hayden, have a look at what is in /etc/locale.gen and tell me (and the channel) then tell me what country you want it to be for
[01:03] <Xenguy_> Ziggity: shorewall (firewall) is a good implementation of iptables BTW, and also handles NAT/ipmasq
[01:03] <hayden> hmm thats ok ompaul, do u know a website where i could maybe find out for myself
[01:04] <hayden> en_AU ISO-8859-1
[01:04] <hayden> en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8
[01:04] <Xenguy_> techn9ne: that makes no sense, and shorewall proves you wrong :-)
[01:04] <hayden> Australia
[01:04] <uMkulu> rumour has it Australia is the place to be
[01:04] <johnnybezak> don't believe everything you hear :)
[01:05] <delltony> ok this is strange i thought i was doing it right i went to the kcontrol panel after installing lipstick theme and i went to style and selected lipstick and hit apply but i see no changes what am i doing wrong :(
[01:05] <Ziggity> Xenguy_, whats NAT??
[01:05] <boogie> alligators and lions
[01:05] <Xenguy> Ziggity: network address translation
[01:05] <eleazar> hi there, i just installed Ubuntu. but it never asked me to set my root password, now how do i set it?
[01:05] <techn9ne> ok ill try shorewall
[01:05] <Xenguy> Ziggity: basically similar to ipmasq
[01:05] <techn9ne> i think that firewalls should be a single computer doing nothing but that
[01:06] <plex0r> johnnybezak
[01:06] <plex0r> this is dazed
[01:06] <Xenguy> techn9ne: the author is a firewall professional IIRC (and FWIW :-)
[01:06] <ompaul> hayden, that does not look right :)
[01:06] <techn9ne> ok
[01:06] <hayden> hmm
[01:07] <Xenguy> techn9ne: I guess a dedicated firewall box (or router) is best practice, but not all of us can afford that (or bother doing things right ;-)
[01:07] <techn9ne> well i use a p133
[01:07] <techn9ne> cost me $15 on ebay
[01:07] <Ziggity> OK.. now I got a problem. the MonoDevelop is comaplaining about blah..blah.. gnome-sharp but I can't find it with synamptic!!
[01:08] <andeeje> does anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory at the same time ?  I tried the gnome svg theme found on gnome-look.org,  and those icons are a bit larger than the default and trash applet gets hidden behind the icon so i cant see if the applet is ready to swallow the file or not, some times the file gets added to the panel instead, since i missed the trash :(  And, those icons are not *that* big, so i think its an issue with the trashcan. It should let me know if its ready t
[01:09] <kent> o eat files :(
[01:09] <NeoCicak> plex0r: can you ping other computers?
[01:09] <zabulus> if gnome starts, gaim starts 2 times :s (two windows) how do i put that off?
[01:09] <johnnybezak> plex0r: can you ping websites
[01:09] <delltony> do you have to restart kde for styles to take effect?
[01:09] <plex0r> neocrak...how do i ping?
[01:10] <plex0r> \<<--- new to nix
[01:10] <johnnybezak> man ping hehe
[01:10] <NeoCicak> plex0r: ping <ip address>
[01:10] <techn9ne> plex0r: ummm type ping
[01:10] <johnnybezak> no just type ping -c 5 addresstobepinged
[01:10] <Riddell> delltony: it may only apply to newly started applications
[01:10] <NeoCicak> plex0r: quick thought.. maybe your dns is wrong
[01:10] <Xenguy> plex0r: ping <ipAddressGoesHere>
[01:10] <johnnybezak> (without the -c switch it won't work)
[01:10] <kent> zabulus, close one of them, and then save the session (logout and click on save session)  (have no other programs running that you dont want to run next time.. )
[01:10] <johnnybezak> woah
[01:10] <johnnybezak> thats wrong
[01:10] <Xenguy> plex0r: on the command line
[01:10] <delltony>  its suppose to be for the panel
[01:10] <johnnybezak> it will work it will just keep going indefinetly
[01:10] <plex0r> i can ping the network
[01:10] <zabulus> ah k thx kent!
[01:10] <delltony> according to kdelook.org
[01:11] <NeoCicak> plex0r: then chances is that your gateway & dns are wrong
[01:11] <johnnybezak> can you ping google or something like that
[01:11] <delltony> its suppose to make the panel different but anyway :(
[01:11] <plex0r> wait
[01:11] <plex0r> #wiat
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Anybody here use C# and Mono?
[01:12] <delltony> Riddell, this is what i'm shooting for http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=18223
[01:12] <xshui> I've played with it a TINY bit
[01:12] <plex0r> it says 'from <ip> icmp_seq=(upward counting numbers) Destination Host Unrechable...is what its saying after i pinged
[01:12] <techn9ne> i tried and got frusturated w/ it and went back to windows
[01:12] <NeoCicak> plex0r: then you can't ping. it's unsuccessful
[01:12] <xshui> techn9ne: what'd you get frustrated with?
[01:12] <NeoCicak> plex0r: maybe your ip address & subnet mask are wrong?
[01:12] <techn9ne> mono
[01:12] <techn9ne> i had to develop a C# app for someone
[01:12] <techn9ne> so i went back to just doing it on windows
[01:12] <xshui> no, but I mean why was it frustrating?
[01:13] <techn9ne> i couldnt make it work
[01:13] <techn9ne> errors
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:13] <techn9ne> went to compile just sat there
[01:13] <Quest-Master> I can't stand Windows at all anymore
[01:13] <plex0r> how do i change the subnet?
[01:13] <plex0r> or edit or look for that matter
[01:13] <plex0r> sorry for being uber newbish
[01:13] <johnnybezak> plex0r: don't worry about it
[01:13] <NeoCicak> plex0r:  go to system -> administration -> network
[01:13] <johnnybezak> network problems are a pain in the arse
[01:14] <techn9ne> i had windows.... only time i use it is to develop .net stuff and msn messenger
[01:14] <techn9ne> hate windows
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: (if you are using hoary) :P ... try to find something similar up there in the manu
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: menu
[01:14] <Quest-Master> delltony: That Lipstik theme is sexy.
[01:14] <xshui> yeah, I try to avoid windows if I can...
[01:14] <xshui> but I have use it for work
[01:14] <xshui> gotta eat
[01:14] <xshui> lol
[01:14] <zabulus> k thx kent it works!
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: we all started as newbie :)
[01:15] <johnnybezak> techn9ne: you can use linux for both of those things anyway :)
[01:15] <delltony> yeah if i could use it
[01:15] <techn9ne> johnnybezak: you cant use webcam w/ gaim
[01:15] <techn9ne> johnnybezak: you cant test .net apps with windows w/o windows
[01:15] <delltony> i can't figure out how to get it to work i dpkg -i'd the deb file
[01:16] <delltony> and its there in styles
[01:16] <plex0r> do i need a gateway address?
[01:16] <delltony> but it doesn't change
[01:16] <plex0r> im configing manually
[01:16] <johnnybezak> plex0r: nope
[01:16] <Quest-Master> delltony: Ask in #kubuntu?
[01:16] <johnnybezak> unless you have a couple of subnets
[01:16] <plex0r> nothing is happening still
[01:16] <johnnybezak> techn9ne: fair enough :)
[01:16] <plex0r> we activated metbios on firewall
[01:16] <NeoCicak> plex0r: can you ping other computers now?
[01:16] <plex0r> netbios*
[01:17] <NeoCicak> plex0r: umm..... that's beyond my expertise...
[01:17] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:17] <Ziggity> what happens if I can't find a package   with synamptic!!
[01:17] <Quest-Master> delltony: Try compiling it?
[01:17] <NeoCicak> plex0r: what if you type ifconfig?
[01:17] <delltony> i'm running it on hoary and its great
[01:17] <techn9ne> personally i hate .net i feel j2ee to be superior but i dont get to make descisions all the time
[01:17] <delltony> i just need to learn it ;)
[01:17] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:18] <techn9ne> i love java
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Ick.
[01:18] <NeoCicak> plex0r: you are connected on local network to connect to internet, right? (using router or similar thing)
[01:18] <techn9ne> you dont like programming it ??
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Not at all.
[01:18] <techn9ne> why?
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Python is the greatest programming/scripting language ever. ;d
[01:18] <techn9ne> i always felt that the tools and community was awesome
[01:18] <techn9ne> eclipse, ant
[01:18] <plex0r> yeah we got a router
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Java eats way too much memory.
[01:18] <plex0r> ive made all port exceptions etc. i need to
[01:19] <Quest-Master> I mean, have you tried Azureus?
[01:19] <NeoCicak> plex0r: type ifconfig on command line.. see if your network card & ip configuration there are correct
[01:19] <Quest-Master> It uses 1-3GB of memory most of the time
[01:19] <techn9ne> its not a native program
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Neither is Python
[01:19] <techn9ne> python doesnt do what java can do
[01:19] <techn9ne> you're comparing apples to oranges
[01:19] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, What can you do with Python.? can you write desktop applications>?
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Uh, yes you can.
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Ever heard of wxPython or PyGTK?
[01:19] <plex0r> yeah tis all correct
[01:20] <Ziggity> do you have examples of 'commercial' stuff done with it?
[01:20] <plex0r> i dont think samba is set up
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Google? ;)
[01:20] <ompaul> Ziggity, zope and friends
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> since when did commercial stuff matter anyways?
[01:20] <johnnybezak> plex0r: is it installed?
[01:20] <NeoCicak> plex0r: umm. samba does not have to do with being able to connect to the network... it's only for the linux & windows connectivity
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Zope as well.
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> especially in a Linux channel
[01:20] <plex0r> this is connecting to a windows lan lol
[01:20] <Quest-Master> brandon_niemczyk: I guess Ziggity cares about it. :P
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Python is pure open-source anyhow.
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> heh
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Most Linux users prefer it over Java.
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> yea, i know python is
[01:21] <NeoCicak> plex0r: but you can't even ping to other computers.. samba doesn't have to do with that.. i reckon
[01:21] <Ziggity> sorry-- I'm from a win background and can't figure out how people on who develop from a linux platform make a living??
[01:21] <techn9ne> ummmm im not gonna argue.... python is good java is good
[01:21] <techn9ne> but for diff. things
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> i personally hate python, but i have respect for the philosiphy behind it
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Plus, it's development time is much, much shorter than that of Java's.
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Meh.
[01:21] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, I try and make a living from software development.
[01:21] <Quest-Master> I know no one who has fully tried Python and hated it.
[01:21] <techn9ne> python you can make cross platform apps
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> Quest-Master: meet brandon
[01:22] <brandon_niemczyk> brandon_niemczyk: meet Quest-Master
[01:22] <plex0r> i get aerros when trying to install saba
[01:22] <brandon_niemczyk> Quest-Master: now you do ;)
[01:22] <Xenguy> Ziggity: there is room for both free and proprietary software me thinks
[01:22] <plex0r> dpkg error
[01:22] <plex0r> erroor trying to write
[01:22] <plex0r> etc..
[01:22] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: You can still make a living from using free software.
[01:22] <techn9ne> sometimes
[01:22] <Xenguy> Ziggity: and yes, what Quest-Master said
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Lots of companies require coders who are on-call and can code custom software for their needs.
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Many of these companies could possibly require you to use Python and/or run on Linux.
[01:23] <Ziggity> Xenguy, : but If wanted to open a startup developing bespoke software for others ( businesses ) -- whats the business model?
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Like Google. ;)
[01:23] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: much of our departments systems are coded in-house
[01:23] <techn9ne> ppl should use whatever fits their need best
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Xenguy: Exactly. You see my point. :)
[01:23] <techn9ne> java, python, c++, .net
[01:23] <techn9ne> diff ppl/organizations have diff. requirements
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: hmm.... wait... not being able to ping to other computers does not necessarily mean your computer is not connected to the network.. i remember that i can't ping to my win xp computer coz it has some weird configuration that comes with it when i bought the computer
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: do you have non-windows machine?
[01:24] <Xenguy> Ziggity: the business model is definitely changing -- people are *not* going to pay for all software anymore.  Those days are gone IMO
[01:24] <techn9ne> the one shoe fits all is the microsoft way
[01:24] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, : could you explain the  Like Google?
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: or have you tried pinging www.yahoo.com or something like that?
[01:24] <plex0r> im stting next to two windows laptopos
[01:24] <plex0r> and a nix machine
[01:25] <NeoCicak> is that nix machine connected to network?
[01:25] <Ziggity> Xenguy, Then how does one make money from it.. By money I mean a profitable business.
[01:25] <plex0r> on router it says its on
[01:25] <plex0r> but 'inactive'
[01:25] <plex0r> its assigned ip and subnet
[01:25] <Ziggity> back in a minute
[01:25] <NeoCicak> can you connect to internet using that nix machine?
[01:25] <plex0r> it says 'ping: unknown host www.google.com'
[01:25] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:26] <Xenguy> Ziggity: you need to seek a niche, a specialized software product where there is no free software that can do the same job...
[01:26] <NeoCicak> hmmmm..........
[01:26] <kent> Ziggity, you can probably make monny doing support,  /me thinks..
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: your buisness model depends on your capabilities and what you can do
[01:26] <NeoCicak> you are familiar with ip addressing, yes?
[01:26] <Xenguy> Ziggity: at the same time, you look to providing programming *service*, instead of just trying to sell/clone your code for profit
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> unfortunatly your right that an OSS solution is not _always_ going to be profitable, but there are many many places where it is
[01:26] <NeoCicak> tell me the ip address of the computer you are using now & one other windows machine that's connected to internet
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> if you use a little ingenuity
[01:27] <plex0r> right
[01:27] <plex0r> ip adress of this windows ysstem
[01:27] <plex0r> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:27] <plex0r> ip address of nix
[01:27] <Xenguy> Ziggity: but honestly I don't really think there is a problem because free software gives everyone (including you :-) the tools to program stuff for people who will pay you to do it...
[01:27] <plex0r> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:27] <NeoCicak> hmm should be ok....
[01:27] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: and can you ping the unix box by ip address?
[01:27] <NeoCicak> weird....
[01:27] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:28] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: are you pinging FROM windows or linux?
[01:28] <plex0r> i did both
[01:28] <plex0r> both do not work
[01:28] <NeoCicak> is the cable connected ?? sounds like dumb question.. but believe me, this happens sometimes
[01:28] <Xenguy> Ziggity: I am a firm supporter of free software BTW -- people should not have to be ripped off by some foreign (to me) wannabee monopoly corporation just to check their email ;-)
[01:28] <kent> haha, after some seconds i even managed to see the Ubuntu logo on the March ubuntu wallpaper ;)
[01:28] <NeoCicak> is the cable working
[01:28] <plex0r> the cable is working
[01:28] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: rafb.net/paste the output of 'ipconfig /all' on the windows box, and 'ifconfig' on the nix box
[01:28] <NeoCicak> does it have any problem? cable defects.. etc
[01:28] <tga> Xenguy: would you rather be robbed by a domestic monopoly?
[01:29] <plex0r> u want me to ipconfig
[01:29] <plex0r> and release on windows?
[01:29] <plex0r> and then ifconfig on nix
[01:29] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: not release... just post the output of 'ipconfig /all' in a DOS prompt, and ifconfig on nix, but nopaste it, don't flood here
[01:29] <brandon_niemczyk> http://rafb.net/paste
[01:29] <Xenguy> tga: do you think that is my point? =)
[01:30] <plex0r> how can i paste from nix sysmtem
[01:30] <plex0r> when the nix system isnt online
[01:30] <tga> I'm not sure what your point is
[01:30] <BiteMeBill> plex0r: I don't mean to but in but is the information close to the same between ipconfig and ifconfig?
[01:30] <johnnybezak> plex0r: hehehe
[01:30] <plex0r> :p
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: good point ;P
[01:30] <tga> plex0r: 1. turn nix system on 2. copy 3. ??? 4. paste
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> sorry :(
[01:30] <Xenguy> tga: re-read what I typed -- it was very clear :-)
[01:30] <plex0r> not on internet
[01:30] <plex0r> or network tga
[01:30] <johnnybezak> 5: Profit!
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: what does ifconfig say your ip and subnet is in linux?
[01:30] <plex0r> the subnets need to be the same>
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> and what about 'route' ?
[01:31] <plex0r> ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <plex0r> subnet= <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <plex0r> any windows subnet =<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <NeoCicak> ah
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> are you sure that shouldn't be <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <NeoCicak> try using same subnet
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> ?
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> yea
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> use the same subnet
[01:32] <plex0r> dazed says he thinks we were on the same subnet
[01:32] <plex0r> but i dont think i do
[01:32] <NeoCicak> change to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:32] <uMkulu> NeoCicak: that doesn't look right
[01:32] <NeoCicak> for all
[01:32] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: if one is <IP_ADDRESS> and the other is <IP_ADDRESS>, you are NOT on the same subnet
[01:32] <NeoCicak> uMkulu: what doesn't look right??
[01:32] <uMkulu> no idea, neocicak
[01:32] <brandon_niemczyk> you need to set the nix box to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:33] <NeoCicak> umkulu: hmm... which one of my post are you replying to??
[01:33] <uMkulu> no idea, neocicak
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: do you have a router or something that your using for connection sharing?
[01:33] <Ziggity> ok. back
[01:33] <BiteMeBill> NeoCicak: uMkulu is a bot from what I was told.
[01:33] <plex0r> yeah i already got computers saharing internet
[01:33] <NeoCicak> hahahhaha
[01:33] <NeoCicak> thx bitemebill
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: cause if your using a static ip for your nix box, you need to set the default route to
[01:33] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, which instinces is it profitable
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> first fix the subnet though
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: when your writing custom software for a client for instance
[01:34] <BiteMeBill> it got me earlier with same comments.
[01:34] <NeoCicak> hahahhaa
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> you retain the (C), and then release it at a later date under the GPL
[01:34] <NeoCicak> ok ok...
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> or at least parts of it
[01:34] <Quarupt> somone build me a working gaim-vv and i will give them 200 Gmail invites
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> and wala, you didn't lose any money
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> and contributed back to the community that gives you so many good tools
[01:34] <NeoCicak> plex0r: so everything is ok now?
[01:35] <plex0r> i dont know
[01:35] <plex0r> resetting nix system
[01:35] <NeoCicak> oh ok..
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> why?
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> you don't need to reboot
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> this isn't windows ;)
[01:35] <plex0r> dazed thinks lan card wasdnt in
[01:35] <plex0r> we're on
[01:35] <plex0r> sexy
[01:35] <dazed_> its up
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> cool
[01:35] <dazed_> yay!
[01:35] <NeoCicak> hmmm.. as far as i remember. you don't need to reboot on windows too if you r just changing the ip address :)
[01:36] <NeoCicak> kewl
[01:36] <NeoCicak> phew
[01:36] <dazed_> it worked at first
[01:36] <brandon_niemczyk> NeoCicak: probably true, but oh well :)
[01:36] <dazed_> then my lan card came unplugged it stopped
[01:36] <dazed_> i rebooted
[01:36] <dazed_> it works
[01:36] <NeoCicak> good
[01:36] <neighborlee> there is new nvidia but its not in ubuntu yet..I tried to contact maintainer from his email address ( as noted in app > properties) from synatpic but its bouncing back..who should I contact ?
[01:37] <NeoCicak> i think daniels have lots of thing to do with graphics in ubuntu... i might be wrong
[01:37] <neighborlee> k
[01:37] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, But isn't that doing the client down??
[01:37] <plex0r> thanks guys
[01:37] <plex0r> :)
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: not in the least
[01:38] <NeoCicak> no problemo
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> if you own the copyright, what you do with it at a later date is none of their concern
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> i mean, i wouldn't do it 3 days later or anything
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> wait a couple months
[01:38] <Ziggity> btw did anyone successfull install MonoDevelop on Ubuntu Warty???
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: another place where OSS can be profitable is in libraries that you release under the GPL, and then offer commercial licenses for seperatly
[01:38] <dazed_> i just unpackaged the sambaclient
[01:38] <dazed_> how do i use it?
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> but you have to be careful with that
[01:39] <dazed_> brb
[01:39] <brandon_niemczyk> you cannot accept patches for it
[01:39] <Quarupt> how well is alien supported with Ubuntu
[01:39] <brandon_niemczyk> because those people providing them will expect the code to be GPL'd
[01:39] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, You taking a clients idea -- developing a solution for him/her -- then when paid releasing to oss??
[01:39] <dazed_> ...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'
[01:39] <lupusBE> new drivers?
[01:39] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, how do you mean commercial lic for seperatly??
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: eh... like MySQL does
[01:40] <lupusBE> 6629 is in hoary
[01:40] <Ziggity> Oh!..
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> you can get MySQL under the GPL, but if you don't want it under the GPL then you have to pay $$$
[01:40] <lupusBE> isn't that the latest?
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and 99% of clients couldn't care less what you do with the code afterwards as long as they have a working solution ;)
[01:41] <brandon_niemczyk> trust me, i know
[01:41] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, so why would someone want to pay $$$ for something they can get for free!
[01:41] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what do you do??
[01:41] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i own a custom programming buisness ;)
[01:42] <dazed_> ...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and yes, it is profitable
[01:42] <StoffBox-Steve> Ziggity, thats easy .. why buy think you dont need ? ... we all what money to life :D
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and no my clients do not hate me
[01:42] <Ziggity> hummm.,,, could you offer business advice to someone ( me :) ) looking to follow in your footsteps?
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> in fact i'm quite good with my clients
[01:43] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: heh, just write decent code for clients, and it will all come together
[01:43] <brandon_niemczyk> there is plenty of room for supporting OSS if you want to (as i do)
[01:43] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what technologies.. and how did you decide on them>?
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> uh... what do you mean?
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: it depends on the client and what they need
[01:44] <Ziggity> do you have a prefered prog. language.??
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> yea, whatever works for the job
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> but, i am most comfortable with C
[01:45] <brandon_niemczyk> and what you are comfortable with _does_ mean something
[01:45] <brandon_niemczyk> for instance, i don't like python because the "block code by spacing" kills me
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> a lot of (shitty) email clients will replace tabs with spaces for instance
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> so it makes passing patches around a bitch
[01:46] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, do u use Open source 'stuff'
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: almost exclusivly
[01:47] <Ziggity> as a side Item... ANYone.. what happens if Synaptic can't find a package???
[01:47] <brandon_niemczyk> i own a license to VS.NET and VB6, but almost never actually use them
[01:47] <Ziggity> hmmm vb6.,, there where I'm from..
[01:47] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: there is no compiler suite better then gcc
[01:47] <speel> lol vb .. people actually baught that crap?
[01:48] <brandon_niemczyk> gcc+libtool+automake+(cygwin on windows and mingw) == perfect
[01:48] <Ziggity> I've moved to c# and a little java
[01:48] <Ziggity> I'm hoping to get the c
[01:48] <brandon_niemczyk> speel: nothing beats it's RAD capabilities, unfortunatly it's doze only so it's still useless ;)
[01:49] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk,  True its RAD is great, unfortunitly it spoils you as a developer and moving to other langs become more of a learning curve,,
[01:50] <Ziggity> you kinda go.. WHAT!! 20 lines of code to make a window!!
[01:50] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: well, i'm just now learning VB, until recently i've had almost exclusivly unix (mostly solaris and linux) work
[01:50] <brandon_niemczyk> brb - smoke
[01:50] <Ziggity> let me know if you need any help :->
[01:51] <Ziggity> is that vb6 or vb.net?? and may I ask why your learning it?
[01:51] <Ziggity> ok.. how do I include Hoary into my warty syanptic??
[01:52] <speel> Ziggity: the packages are most likley unstable
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> back
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i'm learning it because i'm maintaining some code i didn't write for a client
[01:53] <Ziggity> speel, but what else can I do -=-- I can't seem to install MonoDevelop on Warty
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> and it's vb6
[01:54] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk maybe I can subcontract that off you :))
[01:54] <Quarupt> if i alien an file.rpm -r  where does the deb save to?
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: hehe, no
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, why would you want to install mono ?
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> sorry :)
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> i need the money
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> as usual
[01:55] <Ziggity> heehh
[01:55] <Ziggity> see that's why your clients like you... you honest
[01:55] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c
[01:55] <brandon_niemczyk> the only thing i hire out atm is graphics work for websites
[01:55] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c# !
[01:56] <brandon_niemczyk> because i'm "visually challenged" :)
[01:56] <brandon_niemczyk> so if i don't hire out the gfx work, the site looks like shit
[01:56] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, hee;
[01:57] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what happens when Synaptic cant find a package???
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> i don't use synaptic
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> so ask someone else ;)
[01:57] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, What lang do you do the sites in?
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> apt-cache and apt-get are good enough for me
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: usually php/mysql
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> but i've done some jsp stuff to
[01:58] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, so what happens if apt-... don't find it?
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> then you find a sources entry that has it, or you install it by compiling
[01:59] <brandon_niemczyk> do you have the universal stuff uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:59] <Ziggity> boooohoooo.. you were not paying attention.. I'm from VB (windows) land...
[01:59] <Ziggity> yes
[02:00] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, why not develop in windows ?
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: yea... vmware does wonders
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and i've attempted to use monodevelop on debian, and... it's buggy as hell
[02:00] <Quarupt> anyone use ALIEN?
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: on debian i have
[02:00] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I WANT to change os platforms
[02:01] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, vmware?? - whats that
[02:01] <Quarupt> im trying to get a deb from a RPM it ran okay, I did alien -r ./file.rpm
[02:01] <Quarupt> then it gave me another promy
[02:01] <Quarupt> but i dont see a deb anywhere
[02:01] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, mono is a big rat trap waiting to snap as far as I am concerned
[02:02] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i think your going to find mono lacking if you are used to .NET on M$, your better off switching to tools that are well supported on non-M$ platforms
[02:02] <BitShifter> hi i'm trying to install my wireless networking
[02:02] <BitShifter> i need to use the ndiswrapper
[02:02] <BitShifter> how do i install this?
[02:02] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, what would you suggest?
[02:02] <BitShifter> apt-get install ndiswrapper complains about package not being found/
[02:02] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: vmware isn't free (as in freedom) but you can get a monthly trial for it, and with it you can run windows inside linux
[02:03] <BitShifter> infact, i can't even apt-get anything
[02:03] <BitShifter> it can't find any packages at all
[02:03] <BitShifter> not even the kernel sources
[02:03] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: C
[02:03] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what tools
[02:03] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: gcc and friends for one
[02:03] <BitShifter> hello
[02:04] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, switch to python or stick with C (++) :D
[02:04] <Ziggity> ok... but coming from vb and c# on windows I need an IDE.. with code complete ( I'm a whimp )
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> both emacs and vim have code completion
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> you just need to learn the keys to do it ;)
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> there are several IDE's available on linux
[02:05] <brandon_niemczyk> but i don't use them, so i can't give you any suggestions
[02:05] <usual> what could a possible reason for a laggy desktop be in ubuntu hoary?
[02:05] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, if you really want to develop with c# you can put up with windows shortcomings :)
[02:05] <Quarupt> ISnt alien supposed to create a deb?
[02:05] <Quarupt> i cant find anything after i ran it on the rpm
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, don't bother with alien
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, build a deb if anything
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: how did you run it again?
[02:06] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, could you suggest an IDE for c/c++ on  linux?
[02:06] <usual> ajunta
[02:06] <usual> i think
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: you said you did 'alien -r some.rpm', that == wrong... -r means to rpm
[02:06] <Quarupt> alien -r file.rpm
[02:06] <Quarupt> like it said on the article
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: read my above statement
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, what are you trying to get a deb of?
[02:06] <Ziggity> back in a minute .. i gotta put the washing on..
[02:07] <Quarupt> man if i could build a deb i could probably just compile this stupid program
[02:07] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: try losing the -r, or better yet, switching it to -d
[02:07] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: the easiest way to do it is like this    alien --to-deb filename.rpm
[02:07] <Quarupt> ok
[02:07] <brandon_niemczyk> -d and --to-deb are the same thing
[02:07] <Quarupt> well its doing something with no verbose
[02:08] <Quarupt> its a rpm for gaim-vv i fond
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, although I don't really like kde anymore kdevelop has won tons of awards for dev tools. There is also glade/anjuta.
[02:08] <usual> Ziggity, http://www.anjuta.org/anjuta.php?page=screenshots
[02:08] <usual> gaim-vv?
[02:08] <Quarupt> ya
[02:08] <usual> what is that
[02:08] <Quarupt> cause it was really hard to build
[02:08] <Quarupt> umm check SF
[02:09] <joeblow1234> usual: it is a fork of gaim that supports video and audio chat better
[02:09] <Quarupt> anyways to install a deb manually i just typr dpkg -install ./package.de?
[02:09] <Xirdneh> hi there, i have just install gaim 1.1.4, but i uninstalled the old gaim and now the icon of gaim in Aplications>Internet is gone, i made a locate gaim and it say gaim is under /usr/lib but i cant find it to add ti, any ideas?
[02:09] <usual> joeblow1234, for use with like yahoo? or just it's own
[02:09] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: nope, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:09] <Quarupt> or dpkg -i pack.deb?
[02:09] <Quarupt> lol
[02:09] <Quarupt> ok
[02:09] <joeblow1234> usual: i think it is for all the protocols supported by gaim (msn, aim, yahoo, etc.)
[02:10] <usual> k
[02:10] <joeblow1234> usual: gaim-vv.sourceforge.net
[02:10] <Quarupt> holy crap it worked
[02:10] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, I'm waiting for anjuta 2
[02:10] <Quarupt> lets see if it will actually start
[02:10] <virtuald> bitlebee is the shit
[02:10] <ivo> hello guys
[02:10] <virtuald> biltbee
[02:10] <virtuald> bleh
[02:10] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[02:10] <usual> gaim-vv debs
[02:10] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:11] <Quarupt> lol
[02:11] <Quarupt> they dont work
[02:11] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:11] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: I've converted the RPM packages for Limewire before and they work normally. I had to do this cause Limewire quit shipping that nice Java installer they had
[02:11] <usual> Quarupt, did you see what I posted
[02:11] <tga> lo Quarupt, how's it going?
[02:12] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:12] <ivo> who can help me with an error
[02:12] <usual> gaim-vv_0.79.3-0_i386.deb               21-Jan-2005 14:29   3.0M
[02:12] <tga> ivo: Bad command or file name
[02:12] <scizzo> good night
[02:12] <Quarupt> i tried allready not for Ubuntugood tga
[02:12] <ivo> who can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get
[02:12] <ivo> /etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found
[02:12] <ivo> invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.
[02:12] <ivo> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):
[02:12] <ivo>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:13] <ivo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:13] <andy__> g'day, was wondering if anyone here had a thinkpad t21 or close model... and has the mouse working the same way as windows
[02:14] <joeblow1234> andy__: what is the mouse not doing?
[02:14] <Ziggity> andy__, I gots a laptop with NO double click on the pad ..
[02:14] <andy__> whoops, sorry, not mouse, 'nipple' ... inbuilt thing
[02:14] <ivo> who can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get
[02:14] <joeblow1234> andy__: well what is it doing differently than windows?
[02:15] <ivo> /etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found
[02:15] <andy__> in windows, you hold onto a third button, then move the mouse up and down to scroll
[02:15] <ivo> invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.
[02:15] <ivo> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):
[02:15] <ivo>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:15] <ivo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:15] <joeblow1234> andy__: have you tried google? it is the best when u have a hardware specific question
[02:15] <kent> is there some problems with gnome-cd in Hoary? it seems to not want to play CDs if I start it manually :(  The device is detected correctly in the preferences for gnome-cd, it just says something about bad device when i start it.
[02:16] <Quarupt> Okay so the deb generated by the rpm worked okay, but i cant fine the bin??? did it just iverwrite my current gaim?
[02:16] <andy__> have been hunting google since i installed about a fortnight ago
[02:16] <usual> Is there a known issue with xorg in hoary? I have a laggy desktop....I don't get it
[02:16] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: use the command updatedb and then locate gaim-vv
[02:16] <andy__> today i found this, but i dont know what to do with it, or if it'll work:  http://stephen.evanchik.com/index.cgi/index.html
[02:17] <andy__> says its for linux
[02:17] <joeblow1234> ubuntu uses the 2.6.8 kernel, not 2.6.10 or 2.6.11
[02:17] <joeblow1234> unless ur on hoary, not sure which one that uses
[02:18] <usual> 2.6.10
[02:18] <usual> but 11 is on the way
[02:18] <andy__> oh, bugger
[02:18] <joeblow1234> usual: is <IP_ADDRESS> going to be the last? on lwn.net it said that <IP_ADDRESS> was released as a security and bug fix
[02:19] <Quarupt> joeblow1234, it didnt find and bins :()
[02:19] <usual> joeblow1234, 2.6.11 includes some breakthrough changes I read
[02:20] <Quarupt> hrm
[02:20] <joeblow1234> i just checked www.linuxhq.com and it doesnt include <IP_ADDRESS>....weird
[02:21] <Yobui> hi
[02:21] <usual> "Highlights include Infiniband support, four level page tables, in-node extended attributes for better samba performance, new pipe implementation , reduced latency and big kernel semaphore among several other minor changes."
[02:22] <usual> I wish someone could help me with my laggy desktop
[02:22] <Yobui> i need to know how do I configure KDE as a default desktop manager
[02:22] <joeblow1234> usual: what r ur specs?
[02:22] <Yobui> i already downloaded it and installed it
[02:22] <joeblow1234> Yobui: is it listed under sessions in gdm?
[02:22] <Quarupt> joeblow1234, howcome it didnt find any bins?
[02:22] <usual> joeblow1234, it's not a hardware issue, it's just recently, no other dists do it, even ubuntu warty
[02:23] <Riddell> Yobui: which package did you install?
[02:23] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: maybe it didnt convert properly. you can install rpm from synaptic. try installing the rpm itself and see what happens
[02:23] <Ziggity> usual what version you on?
[02:23] <Yobui> how can i check that? (i killed the server and run it using startx from a console so i don't see the gdm)
[02:23] <usual> Ziggity, hoary
[02:23] <Quarupt> you can install rpm from synaptic?
[02:23] <Quarupt> how?
[02:23] <Yobui> i did apt-get install kde
[02:23] <Yobui> i have universe
[02:23] <usual> why on god's green earth would you install rpm's in ubuntu
[02:23] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: apt-get install rpm
[02:23] <Yobui> should i restart and check the gdm?
[02:23] <tinamoo> i upgraded my graphic card to geforce 6800 and installed a fresh ubuntu, but the x server crashes no matter what i do. any suggestion?
[02:23] <joeblow1234> and then you will have the rpm command available
[02:24] <Yobui> or can i start gdm without restarting
[02:24] <scorpix> Ziggity: gdm is for login, and you are already login
[02:24] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: i meant u could install the rpm package manager through synaptic
[02:24] <Quarupt> oh
[02:24] <Ziggity> scorpix, Huh!!!... what are you talking about
[02:24] <joeblow1234> usual: to check and see if it works better than the converted deb
[02:24] <Quarupt> it was allready installed
[02:24] <Quarupt> how to use it?
[02:25] <usual> joeblow1234, he should build his own deb or just install it from source
[02:25] <usual> OR
[02:25] <usual> use the debs i pointed him to
[02:25] <usual> they should work
[02:25] <scorpix> s/ Ziggity / Yobui  :)
[02:25] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: rpm -Uvh package.rpm
[02:25] <Quarupt> rpm -i pack.rpm?
[02:25] <Quarupt> ok
[02:25] <Yobui> yeah
[02:25] <Ziggity> usual, I had issues with hoary.. things like no drag on the title bar and yes.. a LOT slower than warty
[02:25] <Yobui> that's the problem...
[02:25] <Yobui> i should restart io guess then
[02:25] <Ziggity> I thinks there still lots of debug code in there/
[02:25] <usual> Ziggity, it's weird, after certain upgrades ...i don't get it
[02:25] <Quarupt> lol
[02:26] <Quarupt> it says
[02:26] <Quarupt> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[02:26] <Quarupt> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[02:26] <Quarupt> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[02:26] <Quarupt> lol
[02:26] <Yobui> i did an upgrade to hoary and quickly gone back to warty :)
[02:26] <usual> Quarupt, did you try the debs I pointed you too??
[02:26] <Quarupt> guess im goin in circles?
[02:26] <Quarupt> usual ya
[02:26] <joeblow1234> usual: if im not mistaken hoary is still in beta
[02:26] <Ziggity> usual, did you narrow which upgrades?
[02:26] <usual> Quarupt, what happened
[02:26] <Quarupt> i tried em again
[02:26] <Quarupt> there broken
[02:26] <Quarupt> errors after about 2mili seconds
[02:26] <usual> what errors
[02:27] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: weird, i thought u could install rpms with the rpm command. (I've never had to try...the only rpm i have is limewire, which converts fine with alien)
[02:27] <Quarupt> i dunno
[02:27] <usual> joeblow1234, yeah it's not stable yet
[02:27] <Ziggity> I think its still very stable and I think its only slated for release round sep/oct 2005
[02:27] <usual> Ziggity, nah, too much to pay attentiont oo
[02:27] <joeblow1234> usual: i meant to say alpha
[02:27] <Quarupt> alien made a deb, and the deb reported that it installed okay
[02:27] <usual> Ziggity, yeah 6 month release cycle i think
[02:27] <joeblow1234> usual: as in not to be used if u need a stable desktop
[02:27] <usual> joeblow1234, I don't need a stable desktop, but this lag is annoying
[02:28] <Yobui> Ziggity: yeah, it doesn't crash, but when you need to compile things you start getting a mess with the libraries that are not updated yet
[02:28] <usual> using alien to convert a rpm to a deb is just retarted
[02:28] <usual> imho
[02:28] <Quarupt> wonders what to do nect
[02:28] <usual> do you know where that rpm placed stuff?
[02:28] <usual> Quarupt, compile it
[02:28] <joeblow1234> Ziggity: it is slated for release in april...not september
[02:28] <Quarupt> no thats impossible
[02:28] <usual> ?
[02:28] <Quarupt> try to, you have to hand configure about 10 depends first before ya can even build it
[02:29] <Ziggity> usual, I had the similar issues ( although It  did fix  my mouse pad problem ) so I went back to warty
[02:29] <usual> bs
[02:29] <joeblow1234> usual: the rpm didnt install any files on the system for him...it just didnt do anything
[02:29] <Quarupt> No its not bs
[02:29] <Ziggity> joeblow1234, : is it? sorry
[02:29] <usual> if I build that program i am gonna pick on you for a month
[02:29] <Quarupt> goto sf.net/gaim-vv and read
[02:29] <joeblow1234> Ziggity: if it is too unstable...they will delay it probably thoughj
[02:29] <joeblow1234> *though
[02:30] <Quarupt> look at all the depsnds you have to extract 1by1 and configure and compile 1 by 1
[02:30] <Yobui> i'm now running KDE :)
[02:30] <Quarupt> usual, me and about 5 others have tried, its possible, bit personally id rather use that much time to build a kernel from source
[02:30] <Yobui> i have another question, though... I have a widescreen laptop
[02:30] <joeblow1234> Yobui: what is it like on ubuntu?
[02:30] <Quarupt> s/source/scratch
[02:31] <apokryphos> joeblow1234: kde? It's great.
[02:31] <Yobui> joeblow1234: i've been running it for about 5 seconds, but so far has worked great :)
[02:31] <Ziggity> joeblow1234, you're right -- for april .. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog/view?searchterm=hoary%20release
[02:31] <joeblow1234> Yobui: lol, what i meant is, for instance, KDE was incredibly unstable for me on Fedora (another Gnome based distro). Just wondering if it is the same in Ubuntu
[02:33] <Ziggity> ooohh. I'm hungry.. gonna rattle the pots be back in a minute..
[02:33] <apokryphos> joeblow1234: not at all; very stable here. Though, I didn't have any of those problems you speak of on Fedora.
[02:33] <Yobui> joeblow1234: i've been trying the apps and they run great
[02:33] <joeblow1234> apokryphos: i probably messed something up in that case
[02:33] <drspin> I'm performing updates for Warty on my other system and it keeps saying "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome..."
[02:34] <drspin> then it asks if libgnome2-perl is installed
[02:34] <Quarupt> hows it going usual ?
[02:34] <Quarupt> LMAO
[02:34] <drspin> ??
[02:34] <usual> Quarupt, I have to download things
[02:34] <drspin> I'm sorry - updates for Hoary
[02:34] <Quarupt> ya
[02:34] <Quarupt> and its allready easier to use an rpm huh?
[02:34] <usual> no
[02:34] <usual> thats just retarted
[02:34] <LinuxJones> drspin, install that package adn it will propt you with a nice gui for re-configuring packages
[02:34] <Quarupt> i think your being stubborn
[02:34] <usual> no
[02:34] <usual> it's a bad idea
[02:35] <Quarupt> How many people in here have used the Limewire rpm and it woked FIME?
[02:35] <Quarupt> FINE
[02:35] <Quarupt> usual, can ya make a deb after ya build it
[02:35] <usual> yes
[02:36] <Quarupt> one that actually woks?
[02:36] <Quarupt> cool
[02:36] <usual> if it compiles ok yes
[02:36] <Yobui> well, as i was saying, i have a widescreen laptop with native resolution 1280x768, i configured X to run this resolution and it does pretty fine. BUT, if I want to change the resolution to a 4:3 ratio (1024x768), which i need to run presentations, the screen gets "expanded" (i don't see the whole desktop in the screen) i have to move the mouse to the left and right to see the whole desktop, do you know what can i do to modify this behavior?
[02:36] <usual> I am building a linphone-im deb
[02:36] <Quarupt> including all the depends?
[02:36] <Quarupt> cool
[02:36] <usual> 2 of the depends are in ubuntu already
[02:37] <Quarupt> can you get em in one of the repositories?
[02:37] <usual> yeah
[02:37] <Quarupt> cool
[02:37] <Quarupt> lemme know when yur done
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Yobui, ctrl+alt+-
[02:37] <Quarupt> plz
[02:37] <danix> when gnome 2.10 will be release on hoary?
[02:37] <_4strO> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-4-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Gnome v2.9.9 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[02:37] <Quarupt> i heard soon
[02:37] <Yobui> LinuxJones yes, that's what i do to change the resolution, the problem occurs WHEN i change it from the native one to another one
[02:38] <_4strO> soon soon :)
[02:38] <_4strO> hi all
[02:38] <danix> hi
[02:38] <uMkulu> niihau, danix
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Yobui, ctrl+alt++ :D
[02:38] <usual> Quarupt, do you use hoary or warty
[02:38] <danix> uMkulu, what?
[02:38] <uMkulu> danix: i haven't a clue
[02:38] <Quarupt> hoary
[02:38] <Yobui> LinuxJones--
[02:38] <Yobui> :P
[02:39] <johnnybezak> how many of you guys are using hoary? im updating at the moment and im s***ing myself :P
[02:39] <mystify> hey does xmms work with video files?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Yobui, can't you stay in 1020x764 ?
[02:39] <apokryphos> mystify: no
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Yobui, or whatever it is ?
[02:39] <danix> i use hoary..
[02:39] <Ziggity> after you run make how do u run the application
[02:39] <Quarupt> usual, why are you on warty or something?
[02:40] <Yobui> I can, but i need to be able to change it to project the screen on the wall
[02:40] <Yobui> with a projector, they only support 4:3 ratios
[02:40] <Yobui> usually
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Yobui, are you uding hoary ?
[02:40] <Yobui> warty
[02:40] <LinuxJones> god
[02:41] <Quarupt> i think we need #Ubuntu|Warty and #Ubuntu|Hoary
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Yobui, does it work if you go system>>preferences>> screen resolution and change it there ?
[02:42] <andy__> say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold on to button 3, and move the mouse up or down?
[02:42] <johnnybezak> Ziggity: did you make install too?
[02:43] <Ziggity> johnnybezak, no .. how?
[02:43] <apokryphos> Quarupt: No, they're not different distributions. Different versions of a distro.
[02:43] <Yobui> LinuxJones yes, you got it... they make a new easy way and break the old ways, lol :)
[02:43] <usual> Quarupt, see...live compile haha
[02:43] <apokryphos> Quarupt: plus, the warty one would be pretty empty :P
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Yobui, cool glad tohelp ;)
[02:43] <usual> Quarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/test.mpeg
[02:44] <Yobui> thanks LinuxJones ;)
[02:45] <Quarupt> apokryphos, thanks for stating the obvious, i know there not dirrent distro lol
[02:45] <apokryphos> always a pleasure
[02:45] <Quarupt> cant stream
[02:45] <Quarupt> my shit isnt set up right yet
[02:45] <usual> don't need too
[02:45] <usual> k
[02:46] <Quarupt> grr it just says no picture
[02:46] <Quarupt> i dont think i installed my codecs right
[02:46] <usual> heh sounds like you need multimedia packages
[02:46] <usual> yeah
[02:46] <delltony> anyone here able to get the styles to change in kubuntu?
[02:47] <Quarupt> i have mplayer and mozilla-mplayer and the oog one
[02:47] <Quarupt> Oh wait now i see it
[02:47] <usual> I just have totem with gstreamer
[02:47] <Quarupt> just took a while
[02:47] <Quarupt> is that a live stream of your console now, or just a recording?
[02:47] <usual> i just recorded it
[02:47] <drspin> Linux
[02:48] <Quarupt> lol
[02:48] <drspin> LinuxJones: thanks man!! how nice!
[02:48] <Quarupt> your using flux?
[02:49] <usual> no
[02:49] <usual> metacity
[02:49] <Quarupt> oh
[02:49] <raydogg``> what does array 6 offer over array 5 ?
[02:49] <Quarupt> is it almost done?
[02:49] <drspin> Synaptic is so nice in Hoary
[02:49] <drspin> :)
[02:50] <Quarupt> Havent seen any updates today
[02:50] <LinuxJones> drspin, ;)
[02:50] <Quarupt> let me VNC view only usual
[02:51] <drspin> How can I share files between my two computers with different IP addresses connected to my cable modem through a switch??
[02:51] <fsc> drspin, Synaptic is nice in Hoary.  I've been a command line apt-getter for years, but finding myself using the gui a lot more these days
[02:51] <Quarupt> maybe ill learn something
[02:51] <drspin> in real time I mean
[02:51] <Ziggity> delltony, whats kubuntu?
[02:51] <usual> Quarupt, man this is bs
[02:51] <usual> haha
[02:51] <Quarupt> kubuntu?
[02:51] <usual> I wont use MSN
[02:51] <fsc> KDE Ubuntu
[02:51] <Quarupt> usual, its not building?
[02:52] <usual> this linphone-im package is just for MSN video
[02:52] <usual> you saw it building
[02:52] <Quarupt> yea
[02:52] <Yobui> anyone who is using hoary has to do development work with many third party libraries (libpng, libjpeg, postgresql, etc.) ?
[02:52] <hayden> yo ompaul
[02:52] <Quarupt> thats what i need lol
[02:52] <usual> oh
[02:52] <drspin> fsc:  ay -- it seems that Ubuntu is doing the right things to bring Linux to the average joe!
[02:52] <Quarupt> i can give ya some like gmail invites for your troubles
[02:52] <Quarupt> lol
[02:52] <drspin> I have 50 Gmail invites...
[02:52] <Quarupt> I have over 600
[02:52] <Quarupt> lol
[02:53] <fsc> drspin, and for those that have been using linux for years, and want a simple, nice looking gnome desktop
[02:53] <usual> I have gmail invites dripping out of my ass
[02:53] <drspin> heh - yeah it's pretty rediculous
[02:53] <Ziggity> fsc, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.. which is the official >>
[02:53] <usual> thanks though
[02:53] <Quarupt> i had 12 accounts when they did the give everyone 50 invites thing
[02:53] <underdog> guys, ubuntu installation hangs when it's "Starting PC card services...". ideas? i'm on a toshiba laptop
[02:53] <fsc> Ziggity,  Ubuntu is official - Gnome
[02:53] <Quarupt> maybe detect-laptop failed
[02:53] <usual> Quarupt, I am stopping the linphone-im package and moving onto the gaim-vv
[02:53] <delltony> kde with ubuntu
[02:53] <Ziggity> underdog, do u have the card in?
[02:54] <Quarupt> no please dont
[02:54] <underdog> Ziggity: no cards
[02:54] <usual> Quarupt, if my package for gaim-vv works maybe the linphone-im deb from that site works
[02:54] <drspin> underdog: weird but try cleaning the dust out of the laptop -- expecially if you smoke [insert product here]  -- it solved a lot of problems for my roommate
[02:54] <Quarupt> theres no use the whole point of the gaim-vv fork is for video and audio support
[02:54] <delltony> dang can't get styles to act right with this thing :( Riddell if your around i sure could use your help
[02:54] <Quarupt> so if ya dont have that might as well use gaim
[02:54] <underdog> drspin: was that supposed to be funny?
[02:54] <Ziggity> underdog, whats the machine spec
[02:55] <underdog> hold on
[02:55] <drspin> underdog: partially... but I'm serious --
[02:55] <Ziggity> Where can I get new backgrounds etc for Ubuntu?
[02:55] <Quarupt> ?me waits for working free linux Reason port
[02:55] <usual> I just said I was compiling gaim-vv
[02:55] <usual> not gaim
[02:55] <underdog> Ziggity: www.gnomelook.org / www.deviantart.com
[02:55] <Quarupt> i know
[02:55] <usual> and the linphone-im package from that site I gave you might work with it
[02:56] <Quarupt> but that depend is what makes the video stuff work without the video stuff its just gaim
[02:56] <drspin> LinuxJones: I didn't get a reconfigure window after installing libgnome2-pearl
[02:56] <drspin> LOL *perl
[02:56] <usual> dpkg-deb: building package `libj2k' in `../libj2k_0.0.9-1_i386.deb'.
[02:56] <usual> that was quick
[02:56] <Ziggity> ok.. I ran make install on Monodevelop it did not complain - it installed a menu item under programming BUT it don't open when I click it..
[02:56] <Quarupt> i would pay someone 100 bux to port Reason for me
[02:56] <hayden> anyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme?
[02:57] <hayden> anyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme in gnome ubuntu?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> drspin, you have to reconfigure a package
[02:57] <drspin> I would pay for Macromedia if they would port their software
[02:57] <Quarupt> is the gaim-vv.deb gunna install all the depends for us or are we gunna have to dl em 1 by 1?
[02:57] <underdog> Ziggity: what do you need to know?
[02:58] <Quarupt> drspin, i use flashmx and dreamwaever in Vm
[02:58] <Quarupt> and fireworks
[02:58] <Ziggity> underdog, about what ??
[02:58] <Quarupt> not cold fusion though
[02:58] <drspin> Quarupt: sigh VM is ok but lame... the simple fact that I have to use window$ annoys me
[02:58] <delltony> hayden, read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14029
[02:59] <delltony> i use the pinux cursors
[02:59] <Quarupt> drspin, ya its true
[02:59] <crbvegas> hello
[02:59] <Quarupt> maybe cedega would run em?
[02:59] <hayden> ok thanks
[02:59] <crbvegas> i cannot for the life of me attach this freakin ubuntu box to my ms network
[02:59] <Quarupt> never thought about that
[02:59] <drspin> Quarupt: actually X-over Office will run both of them almost 100 %
[02:59] <Ziggity> what ever happened to Caldera Linux?
[03:00] <Quarupt> crbvegas, samba?
[03:00] <drspin> a few small annoyances... but useable
[03:00] <crbvegas> yeah, its on
[03:00] <aurax> anyone here uses intel mobo D915GAV ?
[03:00] <crbvegas> i don't know much about samba
[03:00] <aurax> i need some information about it
[03:00] <crbvegas> but i enabled it
[03:00] <delltony> anyone here running kubuntu?
[03:00] <Quarupt> crbvegas, are the xp machines on sp2?
[03:00] <Ziggity> crbvegas, It should work straight out..
[03:00] <crbvegas> yes
[03:00] <crbvegas> yeah, i don't see it on my network
[03:00] <drspin> in defense of VM, I learned what little I know about networking using Vmware in windows && linux
[03:01] <Quarupt> lol Dr_Acemaster
[03:01] <Quarupt> drspin,
[03:01] <Quarupt> even
[03:01] <drspin> heh
[03:01] <Quarupt> eww fc3 is ugly
[03:01] <delltony> crbvegas, u using vmware?
[03:01] <aurax> anyone ?
[03:02] <Ziggity> ok.. chaps.. gotta go .. thanx for all the help..
[03:02] <Quarupt> Man i am so happy i found Ubuntu, its the greatsest distro i have ever use honestly
[03:02] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, Thanx.. hope to see you soon/
[03:02] <crbvegas> uhhh
[03:02] <Ziggity> bye!
[03:02] <crbvegas> no i am not using vm where
[03:02] <delltony> ok
[03:02] <raydogg``> whats wrong with vmwar ?
[03:02] <raydogg``> vmware ?
[03:02] <Quarupt> nothing
[03:02] <delltony> well try this smb://ipofhost
[03:02] <Quarupt> long as ya have the mem
[03:03] <delltony> like smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:03] <raydogg``> I use it all the time to do sandbox testing
[03:03] <raydogg``> works great for me
[03:03] <Quarupt> I have 2gb and styill cant stand running xp in a host
[03:03] <raydogg``> i only have 1 gig
[03:03] <drspin> delltony: will that work for another computer that pulls it's IP address from my ISP?
[03:03] <Quarupt> i have the fastest ddr2 you can buy too
[03:03] <crbvegas> im retarded
[03:04] <delltony> crbvegas, i assume it worked ;)
 well try this smb://ipofhost <------------ no, i don't know what this means
[03:04] <crbvegas> try it where
[03:04] <Quarupt> I might venture into getting fglrx driver working again, but it really pissed me off last night
[03:04] <delltony> in a file browser
[03:04] <usual> Quarupt, .....
[03:04] <Quarupt> ya
[03:04] <crbvegas> alright
[03:05] <lukewarm> Does array 6 seem like a pretty stable drop?
[03:05] <crbvegas> now heres the thing
[03:05] <Quarupt> usual, .....
[03:05] <crbvegas> it wont let me do that
[03:05] <crbvegas> because i have public IPs
[03:05] <Quarupt> \wtf is array?
[03:05] <delltony> so your not connected to the widnows box thru a router
[03:05] <delltony> or a crossover cable?
[03:06] <usual> dpkg-deb: building package `gaim-0.79-vv' in `../gaim-0.79-vv_3-1_i386.deb'.
[03:06] <crbvegas> through a switch, going into the cable modem
[03:06] <drspin> crbvegas: I have the same problem :) :)
[03:06] <aurax> so anyone here working with D915GAV mobo ?
[03:06] <lukewarm> Quarupt: /topic #ubuntu
[03:07] <crbvegas> SWEET
[03:07] <crbvegas> ive never met anyone with this problem
[03:07] <Darwin35> what is the root passwor for waty worthog ?
[03:07] <delltony> well whats the ip of the windows machine?
[03:07] <crbvegas> but i've got 5 dynamic IPs
[03:07] <Quarupt> i have read the yoic it doesnt explain waht array is
[03:07] <Darwin35> I just installed but it never asked me to set a root passwd
[03:08] <drspin> I have 2 ATM -- one for the dual processor and one for this machine
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: consider using sudo
[03:08] <Darwin35> anyone know the root password for it
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: man sudo
[03:08] <Darwin35> you have tokow the passwd
[03:08] <crbvegas> crap
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: your password will be the same as your password...
[03:08] <crbvegas> going to add some friends, will talk later, bye all!
[03:08] <Quarupt> Darwin35, sudo uses your password for root
[03:09] <Quarupt> usual, everything goin okay man?
[03:09] <drspin> your [sudo]  password will be the same as your password on a fresh warty install
[03:09] <crbvegas> PM me if you can work some magic for me while I'm away
[03:09] <usual> Quarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/shot.png
[03:09] <drspin> crbvegas: I think that only option is VPN
[03:09] <drspin> crbvegas: or buy a router...
[03:10] <Quarupt> usual ever heard of jpg
[03:10] <Quarupt> lol
[03:10] <Ziggity> ok..i'm back.. how do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>
[03:10] <usual> bah
[03:10] <Darwin35> why do they lock the root passwd
[03:10] <Darwin35> it should not be set
[03:10] <drspin> Darwin35: security
[03:10] <Darwin35> it should ask you during the install to set a root passwd
[03:11] <Ziggity> how do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>
[03:11] <Quarupt> usual
[03:11] <Quarupt> cool
[03:11] <Darwin35> man sudo is a pain
[03:11] <Quarupt> did ya add the debs to the repositories?
[03:11] <drspin> Ziggity: try "make uninstall"
[03:11] <usual> Quarupt, no, I used the ones from the link I gave you earlier because it was taking a while to compile
[03:11] <Quarupt> darwin just go sudo passwd    then enter your user password and you wont have to worry about it anymore
[03:12] <Quarupt> lol
[03:12] <Yobui> joeblow1234 are you there?
[03:12] <Ziggity> drspin, oohhh ok..
[03:12] <Quarupt> usual well when i tried those it didnt work so i guess im sol again
[03:12] <usual> Quarupt, no, you just didn't pay any mind to what it complained about
[03:12] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages
[03:12] <underdog> any ideas? :(
[03:12] <Quarupt> whats the link again?
[03:13] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:13] <usual> you gotta add it to your sources.list
[03:14] <Ziggity> WooooHooooo that worked
[03:14] <Quarupt> usual http://www.pastebin.com/249524
[03:14] <Ziggity> thanx
[03:14] <Ziggity> Bye! again
[03:14] <Quarupt> usual what do i need to add?
[03:14] <eleazar> hi, i just installed ubuntu and it didnt asked me for setting the root password, so anyone can tell me how to set it?
[03:14] <Quarupt> whats the exact line, im bad with source adding ;)
[03:15] <usual> Quarupt, use synaptic
[03:15] <usual> Quarupt, remove gaim-data
[03:15] <Quarupt> okay
[03:15] <Quarupt> how?
[03:15] <usual> remove whatever  it complains about
[03:15] <Quarupt> lol
[03:15] <usual> man.....
[03:15] <uMkulu> man is to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'
[03:15] <usual> read something damn
[03:15] <tobizug> germans here?
[03:15] <Darwin35> ok got it
[03:15] <Darwin35> passwd changed
[03:15] <stuNNed> so what's the answer to the slowness in Hoary current?
[03:15] <Quarupt> see this is why using the rpm was easier i didnt need to go out and research all this shit
[03:16] <usual> Quarupt, I got the same exact complaints
[03:16] <eleazar> hello?
[03:16] <usual> easier does NOT mean better
[03:16] <daniels> usual: itym 'not always'
[03:16] <usual> ask around, not many people will say using alien on an rpm is a good idea
[03:16] <johnnybezak> it usual ly does though :D
[03:16] <johnwlittle> eleazar: Ubuntu uses sudo as opposed to a root account for admin features
[03:16] <Quarupt> just dpkg --remove gaim-data?
[03:16] <usual> johnnybezak, heh
[03:17] <usual> daniels, hey I have been meaning to bug you :0
[03:17] <Quarupt> ?
[03:17] <daniels> oh?
[03:17] <usual> daniels, I am having quite a laggy desktop in hoary....is this another X issue?
[03:17] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?
[03:17] <Quarupt> usual, please walk me through what ya just did, it wont take long
[03:18] <usual> Quarupt, do you know how to add the site to your sources.list?
[03:18] <daniels> usual: i've heard a lot about it, but I don't know why
[03:18] <Quarupt> yea with synaptic but i need an APT line
[03:18] <usual> daniels, just the fact that I am not the only one makes me feel better
[03:18] <Quarupt> is it just deb site main stable?
[03:18] <eleazar> johnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?
[03:19] <usual> deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main
[03:19] <johnwlittle> you dont setup a sudo account...its a command
[03:19] <speel> i wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages
[03:19] <eleazar> johnwlittle, so, i just type sudo and thats it?
[03:19] <dazed_> hey can anyone help me get on a windows network to share files??whats the program
 i wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages
[03:20] <Quarupt> ???
[03:20] <johnwlittle> eleazar: read the starter guide, follow it, and all will be clear: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:20] <Quarupt> thast what your supposed to use
[03:20] <Quarupt> usual what the APT line for the site?
[03:20] <usual> daniels, if you happen to hear a soulution and see me floating around plz share
[03:20] <virtuald> does anyone else use traceroute-nanog from hoary universe? the -O option doesn't work, where do i report this?
[03:20] <usual> Quarupt, scroll up
[03:20] <speel> well one reason is ubuntu does not reccomend using debian packages
[03:20] <dazed_> anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?
[03:21] <speel> well debian made packages i.e packages from debian.com
[03:21] <jblack> Has anybody seen a problem with their machine locking up when running apt-get ?
[03:21] <Quarupt> i did all ya gave me was the site, to add it in synaptic i need a full APT line
[03:21] <johnwlittle> eleazar: also, here is an explanation of sudo http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/
[03:21] <usual> Quarupt, scroll up and actually read
[03:22] <dazed_> anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?
[03:22] <Quarupt> omg i have read everything you have said in my buffer
[03:22] <Quarupt> want a damn screen shot
[03:22] <usual> Quarupt is it just deb site main stable?
[03:22] <usual> eleazar johnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?
[03:22] <usual> usual deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main
[03:22] <Quarupt> oh
[03:23] <Quarupt> my bad
[03:23] <Quarupt> thanks
[03:23] <usual> np
[03:23] <Quarupt> I guess i didnt read EVERYTHING
[03:23] <Quarupt> smack
[03:23] <usual> heh
[03:23] <johnwlittle> i give up lol
[03:24] <Quarupt> okay i added the source now what?
[03:24] <speel> sudo apt-get update
[03:24] <speel> or open up synaptic and hit reload
[03:24] <usual> Quarupt, update
[03:24] <Quarupt> i allways do that
[03:24] <Quarupt> i did
[03:24] <usual> Quarupt, then search got gaim
[03:25] <usual> you'll see gaim gaim-data and gaim-vv
[03:25] <raydogg``> is there a changelog for array6 ?
[03:25] <usual> choose to remove gaim and gaim-data
[03:25] <usual> and to install gaim-vv
[03:25] <dazed_> can anyone please help me use samba...how do i explore other computers?
[03:25] <raydogg``> is there a changelog for array6 ?
[03:25] <raydogg``> dazed_, install smb4k
[03:25] <dazed_> smbk4?
[03:25] <dazed_> ok
[03:25] <johnwlittle> dazed_: did you follow the samba instructions in the starter guide?
[03:25] <speel> raydogg``: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-March/024637.html
[03:26] <raydogg``> thx speel
[03:26] <speel> np
[03:26] <dazed_> johnwlittle..wheres the starter guide?
[03:26] <dazed_> the ubuntu>?
[03:26] <dazed_> or the samba
[03:26] <uMkulu> i heard the samba was my best bet then
[03:26] <Quarupt> okay done usual
[03:26] <johnwlittle> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:26] <Quarupt> but gaim-vv shows up there as well
[03:26] <usual> Quarupt, ok, now apply
[03:26] <Quarupt> maybe from the rpm?
[03:26] <Yobui> delltony ayt?
[03:27] <Quarupt> its applied
[03:27] <usual> ok, now launch gaim
[03:27] <delltony> yeah i'm here
[03:27] <Quarupt> but what about gaim-vv its listed as an installed package as well
[03:27] <usual> check the about, is it gaim-vv
[03:27] <Yobui> delltony you have KDE on ubuntu too, right?
[03:27] <usual> oh
[03:27] <usual> yeah
[03:27] <delltony> yeah
[03:27] <usual> well
[03:27] <usual> try it
[03:27] <Quarupt> Cannot launch icon
[03:27] <Quarupt> Details: Failed to execute child process "gaim" (No such file or directory)
[03:27] <usual> does it open
[03:27] <Quarupt> nope
[03:27] <usual> remove gaim-vv
[03:27] <usual> and install it again
[03:27] <usual> that damn rpm
[03:28] <speel> :: caugh cant use debian.com packages caugh ::
[03:28] <Quarupt> lol ok
[03:28] <delltony> Yobui, ?
[03:28] <uMkulu> Yobui, are you uding hoary ?
[03:28] <usual> speel, cough couch see my ss of it running fine cough
[03:28] <Nekohayo> Hi, is there an MP3 tagger out there that queries information from the net, then leaves the user the choice to use them (if accurate) or not?
[03:28] <speel> then you got lucky
[03:28] <Yobui> have you been able to browse windows shares with KDE? i tried the LAN browser but it comploains protocol not supported lan
[03:28] <usual> what do you think ubuntu is
[03:28] <Quarupt> install it from the deb i got from the site you gave me?
[03:28] <Yobui> uMkulu no, warty
[03:28] <uMkulu> Yobui: huh?
[03:29] <usual> Quarupt, man it's so simple....get rid of that fucking rpm deb you made, then use synaptic to update and install gaim-vv
[03:29] <speel> rofl
[03:29] <delltony> yeah i access my shares just fine but i ssh into my box
[03:29] <Yobui> uMkulu delltony  in the home icon
[03:29] <uMkulu> Yobui: sorry...
[03:29] <Quarupt> hey it worked
[03:29] <delltony> i do it different
[03:29] <usual> heh
[03:30] <Yobui> delltony did you install something special? like samba-kde or something like that?
[03:30] <poxymox> Conz
[03:30] <Quarupt> usual,Thanks a million
[03:30] <delltony> for what the ssh?
[03:30] <Yobui> no
[03:30] <Quarupt> but what depends do i need to get all the video and stuff working?
[03:30] <usual> Quarupt, np, now if anything in it doesn't work, read the site
[03:30] <usual> enable plugins
[03:30] <Yobui> for the samba share
[03:30] <usual> install extra packages etc
[03:30] <Yobui> i have a disk shared on a windows box
[03:30] <delltony> no i just set it up
[03:30] <Yobui> i want to acces it from my ubuntu-kde
[03:30] <delltony> installed samba
[03:30] <delltony> and setup the smb.conf file
[03:30] <usual> Quarupt, your on your own now man I already uninstalled it
[03:30] <Quarupt> usual do i need all those packages that the site says, where can i get em?
[03:31] <delltony> to include my share dirs and all
[03:31] <usual> Quarupt, I would go to preferences
[03:31] <usual> enable the plguins like linphone
[03:31] <usual> libj2k
[03:31] <Yobui> delltony i mean the other way around, accessing the windows box from the linux, not the linux shares from the windows
[03:31] <usual> shit like that
[03:31] <usual> then try your audio video
[03:31] <usual> and go from there
[03:31] <delltony> no all you do is use smb
[03:31] <delltony> at least thats what i do anyway
[03:32] <Yobui> delltony could you provide an example please? :) (smbclient you mean?)
[03:32] <delltony> open up the filebrowser
[03:32] <delltony> nautlius or whatever its called
[03:32] <Yobui> yrah
[03:32] <Yobui> yeah
[03:32] <delltony> and put in the address field smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:33] <delltony> or whatever your ip is of that host
[03:33] <poxymox> Yobui: mount -t smbfs -o username=bla //IPADRESS/Share /mnt -o umask=0
[03:33] <Quarupt> usual, i dont see any of those listed as plugins?
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, I did
[03:33] <delltony> or you can mount it like he said
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, install them
[03:33] <Quarupt> i dunno how?
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, in synaptic search for linphone
[03:33] <Quarupt> man why is this such a hassle
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, and libj2k
[03:33] <usual> it aint'
[03:33] <Quarupt> ok
[03:33] <usual> you just don't know
[03:33] <usual> thats all
[03:34] <usual> now you know
[03:34] <Yobui> delltony i tried that but it didn't work, i'll try mounting the thing and probably doing that i'll discover what the problem is, maybe it's the firewall or something
[03:34] <Yobui> poxymox thnx
[03:34] <usual> man I need another gunniess
[03:34] <usual> heh
[03:34] <Quarupt> usual, theres linphone and linphone1
[03:34] <usual> Quarupt, I have no clue
[03:34] <usual> Quarupt, ones newer ones older'
[03:34] <poxymox> np :-)
[03:35] <Quarupt> they all have same version
[03:35] <Quarupt> exactly
[03:35] <delltony> but what i have always done was mount -t smbfs //ipaddress/sharefolder /mountpoint -o rw,umask=777,fmask=777
[03:35] <usual> ok, go for broke
[03:35] <Quarupt> huh?
[03:35] <usual> if one don't work remove it
[03:35] <usual> then try the other
[03:35] <GammaRay> delltony: a little redundant
[03:36] <delltony> like mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/shared /media/myxpdrive -o rw,umask=777,fmask=777
[03:36] <usual> Quarupt, I would go here http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:36] <Quarupt> they were all dependencies of the main one anyways
[03:36] <usual> Quarupt, and use that as a reference
[03:36] <GammaRay> delltony: umask covers fmask
[03:36] <usual> install shit in synaptic that you see in there
[03:36] <Yobui> hmmm
[03:36] <delltony> ok didn't know that see learn something new every day
[03:36] <delltony> thanks
[03:37] <Yobui> i get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //<IP_ADDRESS>/E or too many mounted filesystems :/
[03:37] <usual> liblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k
[03:37] <Quarupt> okay so there both installed, whats the one i need for msn video confrencing?
[03:37] <usual> thats newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[03:37] <usual> no idea
[03:37] <usual> try it
[03:37] <usual> see what happens
[03:37] <Quarupt> lol its the one ya just said
[03:37] <Quarupt> where can i get it?
[03:37] <usual> synaptic man
[03:37] <usual> where you been
[03:37] <delltony> Yobui, have you done sudo /etc/init.d/smb restart ?
[03:38] <Yobui> delltony heh, good idea :)
[03:38] <Yobui> i had it running
[03:38] <Yobui> the same problem
[03:38] <robodex> wow, I never realized gdesklets had an irc desklet.... how... useless
[03:38] <robodex> :p
[03:39] <Quarupt> NOW i have no gaim bins?
[03:39] <delltony> try samba instead
[03:39] <Quarupt> wtf?
[03:39] <Yobui> yes
[03:39] <delltony> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:39] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[03:39] <PacoBCN> one question
[03:39] <usual> daniels, that lag seems to affect everything in X not just something specific
[03:39] <Quarupt> usual, where is the gaim-vv bin?
[03:39] <Yobui> i did /etc/init.d/samba restart (as root)
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I can delete linux-headers, right?
[03:39] <usual> Quarupt, it's just gaim
[03:39] <poxymox> You installed the smbfs?
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I mean, I need as much disk space as possible now
[03:39] <Quarupt> ya i dont have a gaim bin anymore either
[03:39] <Quarupt> wtf
[03:39] <Yobui> sudo apt-get install smbfs?
[03:40] <usual> weird
[03:40] <usual> i did
[03:40] <poxymox> cat /proc/filesystems | grep smb
[03:40] <Quarupt> great
[03:40] <Quarupt> this is soooo fun
[03:40] <usual> maybe I should VNC to YOU!
[03:40] <usual> haha
[03:40] <poxymox> yes
[03:40] <usual> or ssh
[03:40] <dazed_> alright i cant get this to work
[03:40] <Quarupt> root@UBunBOX:/home/sean # gaim
[03:40] <Quarupt> bash: gaim: command not found
[03:40] <Quarupt> man, wtf
[03:40] <usual> man
[03:40] <usual> i dunno
[03:40] <usual> haha
[03:40] <Yobui> great, i didn't know it wasn't installed by default :)
[03:40] <Quarupt> great
[03:40] <usual> I can't see it
[03:41] <Yobui> now i'm seeing the files
[03:41] <usual> you saw mine
[03:41] <Quarupt> im glad
[03:41] <Yobui> thanks again guys
[03:41] <Quarupt> ya i did
[03:41] <usual> go back to synapitc
[03:41] <usual> search for gaim
[03:41] <usual> what does it show
[03:41] <PacoBCN> is it safe to download linux-headers?
[03:41] <Quarupt> i know why
[03:41] <Quarupt> i need
[03:41] <Quarupt> liblinphone0
[03:42] <usual> k
[03:42] <usual> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:42] <usual> if it's broken
[03:42] <Quarupt> it never even installed
[03:42] <Quarupt> i just thought it did
[03:42] <usual> oh
[03:42] <Quarupt> and now i cant find
[03:42] <usual> i told you fool
[03:42] <Quarupt> liblinphone0
[03:42] <usual> search for linphone
[03:42] <Quarupt> not in synaptic
[03:42] <usual> and libj2k
[03:43] <Quarupt> i installed those allready remeber
[03:43] <usual> man I got no clue....just going on whatcha tell me
[03:43] <Quarupt> i need liblinphone0 thats what dpkg is saying
[03:43] <usual> I'm just trying to help ya
[03:43] <Quarupt> i know
[03:43] <Quarupt> and i apreciate it
[03:43] <usual> np
[03:43] <Quarupt> when these oxy's i just took kick in ill be in a waay better mood
[03:43] <usual> sudo apt-get install liblinphone0
[03:43] <Yobui> ok,
[03:43] <Quarupt> but where can i find a liblinphone0 deb
[03:44] <Yobui> my last question
[03:44] <Quarupt> theres no package
[03:44] <Yobui> what do you use to see avi's?
[03:44] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:44] <usual> it's right there
[03:44] <usual> liblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k
[03:44] <Quarupt> Package liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:44] <Quarupt> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:44] <Quarupt> is only available from another source
[03:44] <Quarupt> E: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate
[03:44] <usual> try liblinphone
[03:44] <usual> without the 0
[03:44] <Quarupt> but i added that source and i cant find it still
[03:45] <usual> or liblinphone1
[03:45] <Quarupt> no go
[03:45] <Quarupt> but dpkg says i need Package liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:45] <Quarupt> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:45] <Quarupt> is only available from another source
[03:45] <Quarupt> E: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate
[03:45] <Quarupt> ooops
[03:45] <Quarupt> sorry
[03:45] <usual> try 1
[03:45] <Quarupt> forgot that was in my clip still
[03:45] <usual> liblinphone1
[03:45] <Quarupt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:45] <Quarupt>   gaim-vv: Depends: liblinphone0 but it is not installable
[03:45] <Quarupt> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[03:46] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?
[03:46] <Quarupt> whats that all about?
[03:46] <usual> and you did sudo apt-get -f install
[03:46] <Quarupt> usual?
[03:46] <uMkulu> it has been said that usual is building a linphone-im deb
[03:46] <dazed> someone really needs to help me with samba
[03:46] <dazed> i cant get it to work
[03:46] <usual> uMkulu, it was said much earlier that usual found out it was for MSN video and killed the build
[03:46] <uMkulu> usual: excuse me?
[03:47] <usual> uMkulu, excuse you for what?
[03:47] <Quarupt> usual, okay it removed it
[03:47] <hayden> Australia
[03:47] <Quarupt> usual,  now what reinstall it or?
[03:47] <usual> Quarupt, removed what exactly?
[03:47] <uMkulu> usual: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.
[03:47] <uMkulu> well, Australia is the place to be!
[03:47] <dazed> can someone please help me with samba
[03:47] <Quarupt> gaim-vv
[03:47] <Quarupt> it was half installed i guess
[03:47] <dazed> i just want a few files off my stupid friends winblows
[03:47] <usual> wow
[03:47] <usual> i had none of this trouble
[03:47] <usual> same OS
[03:47] <Quarupt> lol
[03:47] <Quarupt> dunno
[03:48] <Quarupt> anyways should i just try to install it again?
[03:48] <usual> update
[03:48] <Quarupt> i might be using the wrong deb i wanna dl it again
[03:48] <usual> then try again yeah
[03:48] <Quarupt> whats the site onvce more
[03:48] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:48] <usual> bookmarkt hat shit
[03:48] <usual> Quarupt, dload whatever you need right from there
[03:49] <usual> if it bitches about a dependency download it from there also
[03:49] <usual> ect ect ect
[03:49] <Quarupt> isnt that what i added as a source?
[03:49] <usual> yes
[03:49] <Quarupt> lol so i can just use synaptic
[03:50] <usual> but if you download it right fromt he browser you don't have to go throught he hassle of apt not liking the package name
[03:50] <usual> Quarupt, yes, but you were having issues
[03:50] <Quarupt> oh i see
[03:50] <Quarupt> lets try this again
[03:50] <usual> aright
[03:50] <usual> brb getting more beer
[03:50] <marcin_ant> hi guoys
[03:50] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:50] <tga> hey
[03:51] <hayden> i accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)
[03:51] <marcin_ant> s/guoys/guys
[03:51] <Quarupt> gaim-vv depends on liblinphone0
[03:51] <tga> any idea how I can install a dri-enabled libGL? xmesalib-dri doesn't seem to do the trick
[03:51] <Quarupt> lol
[03:51] <Quarupt> wtf
[03:51] <Quarupt> and i have 1
[03:51] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to send files to cell phone via bluetooth?
[03:51] <Quarupt> so i have to downgrade or what?
[03:51] <tga> Quarupt: man ln :)
[03:51] <tga> Quarupt: ie create a symlink and see if it works
[03:51] <marcin_ant> I can receive with gnome-obex-server but I don't know how to send
[03:52] <tga> gnome-obex-client?
[03:52] <drew> hey
[03:52] <drew> i just installed ubunto
[03:52] <drew> er ubuntu
[03:52] <drew> i love it
[03:52] <drew> very good job
[03:53] <usual> mmmm
[03:53] <usual> beer
[03:53] <usual> man X is driving me bonkers
[03:53] <drew> im just wounderin for some reason my apt-get doesnt seem to ahve any packages in its repo and or no repo, how can i add the ubuntu .deb package repos
[03:53] <Quarupt> usual, WTF
[03:53] <Quarupt> gaim-vv depends on liblinphone0; however:
[03:53] <usual> ?
[03:53] <Quarupt>   Package liblinphone0 is not installed.
[03:53] <Quarupt> and i installed it from THAT site
[03:53] <usual> ok
[03:53] <Quarupt> man this is gay
[03:54] <Yobui> bye guys, thanks for all the help
[03:54] <drew> how do i setup apt-get in ubuntu
[03:54] <Quarupt> it wants liblinphone0 and the site only has liblinphone1
[03:54] <drew> for all the ubuntu repos
[03:54] <hayden> i accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)
[03:54] <Quest-Master> drew: apt-get is already setup
[03:54] <coroner> i can seem to make my ubuntu kill the X in order to be able to install the nvidia drivers?
[03:54] <Quest-Master> drew: Just sudo apt-get install packagenamehere
[03:54] <Quest-Master> Or
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Use Synaptic, drew
[03:55] <GammaRay> coroner: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:55] <mairu> how to check whether infra red is detected or not? Any commands like lspci,lsusb?
[03:55] <drew> yea
[03:55] <drew> hrmm
[03:55] <drew> quest-master i never did the update my system thing when i installed
[03:56] <drew> let me try tho
[03:56] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:56] <coroner> thanks GammaRay
[03:56] <tga> drew: you either use Synaptic or you stick this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <tga> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[03:56] <tga> oops, wrong line
[03:57] <drew> i dont have synaptics on my computer
[03:57] <drew> odd
[03:57] <drew> :-/
[03:57] <Quarupt> i need another IM client while im working on this one enyone know another one packaged for debian?
[03:57] <tga> drew: synaptic
[03:57] <uMkulu> synaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems
[03:57] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:57] <drew> oh
[03:57] <drew> there we go, sorry im an arch linux user
[03:57] <drew> im used to pacman
[03:57] <tga> uMkulu: who asked you? go sit in a corner!
[03:57] <uMkulu> wish i knew, tga
[03:58] <johnnybezak> im just upgrading to hoary, will that give me a new kernel?
[03:58] <tga> johnnybezak: if it doesn't you can grab one later
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> this is funny
[03:58] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:58] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> my mom is a dumb bitch
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> and she likes linux better than windows because it's "easier to use"
[03:59] <tga> underdog: are you installing or something?
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> so I gave her a Unix manual XP
[03:59] <virtuald> bluefoxicy: :D
[03:59] <underdog> tga: trying to, yes
[03:59] <tga> underdog: maybe your cd is scratched or something
[03:59] <johnnybezak> tga: yeah i don't actually want one I was just wondering
[04:00] <virtuald> my mom can't use linux because there's no bookkeeping software
[04:00] <underdog> tga: no, it's brand new
[04:00] <virtuald> at least none worth its name
[04:00] <tga> johnnybezak: apt-cache search linux-image
[04:00] <underdog> not the only one having this problem, searched through the forums
[04:00] <tga> johnnybezak: I don't know if upgrading to hoary will get a new kernel for you
[04:00] <johnnybezak> underdog: what crashes
[04:00] <johnnybezak> tga: cool thanks
[04:00] <tga> underdog: oh, I don't know then :\
[04:01] <tga> virtuald: gnucash works for personal use
[04:01] <virtuald> tga: it's not personal use 8]
[04:01] <tga> virtuald: you could also try to run whatever you're using in wine.. it might not work but it will be an interesting experience
[04:01] <virtuald> too risky
[04:02] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys set mail up with ubuntu?
[04:02] <johnnybezak> because mine sort of works but I'm getting this error, anyone know how to fix
[04:02] <tga> virtuald: give the software a try in wine, then write an article/blog entry about it. 3. ??? 4. profit
 (expanded from <root>): host
[04:02] <johnnybezak>     mail.m.iinet.net.au[<IP_ADDRESS>]  said: 553 sorry, your envelope sender
[04:02] <johnnybezak>     domain must exist (#5.7.1) (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
[04:02] <virtuald> hehe
[04:03] <marcin_ant> hello again - any gnome-bluetooth user here?
[04:03] <underdog> johnnybezak: the installation crashes
[04:03] <johnnybezak> underdog: ok the install on to the laptop
[04:04] <johnnybezak> underdog: don't install the extra packages
[04:04] <tga> do you even get a choice?
[04:06] <hayden> how do i add a notification area to gnome 2.8
[04:06] <johnnybezak> tga: i dont know
[04:06] <underdog> johnnybezak: i'm running "custom" right now
[04:07] <johnnybezak> underdog: good idea, just do a minimal install from the cd, you can always just apt-get the rest of the stuff
[04:08] <underdog> yeah
[04:08] <underdog> i'll keep you posted
[04:10] <hayden> how do i add a notification area to gnome 2.8
[04:11] <usual> right click panel
[04:11] <usual> add applet
[04:11] <usual> notification applet
[04:11] <hayden> ahh thanks
[04:12] <Levander> anybody know a little about mysql privilege tables? think i just figured something out through a lengthy trial and error process that i wanna verify
[04:12] <usual> Levander, maybe try phpmyadmin?
[04:12] <Levander> usual, why would i try that?
[04:13] <usual> Levander, I found it as a pretty decent front end to mysql
[04:13] <underdog> johnnybezak: it will still try to install the damn extra packages :(
[04:13] <gangalino> what's the proper syntax for using unrar to extract files from a rar archive?
[04:13] <underdog> let me try another cd
[04:13] <underdog> although i'm pretty sure this one is good
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> question
[04:13] <gangalino> unrar -x rarfile.rar?
[04:13] <usual> gangalino, unrar pak.rar
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> if you install array 6 hoary and specify reiserfs as the partition containing /boot, will it use grub by default
[04:13] <usual> or rar -x
[04:14] <usual> wb Quarupt
[04:14] <tga> bluefoxicy: I remember having to pass a funny mount option when using reiser for boot, make sure you find out about that
[04:14] <johnnybezak> underdog: that sux
[04:14] <gangalino> usual: it always fails, even though unrar -t shows the files
[04:14] <johnnybezak> underdog: are you sure its not the dodgy cd
[04:14] <Levander> has any one else tried the new database application in OOo, called Base? what'd yall think?
[04:15] <tga> bluefoxicy: the Gentoo folks probably have this well documented
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> tga:  notail, and you don't have to
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> grub knows about tails
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> so does lilo since about 3 or 4 years ago
[04:17] <tga> bluefoxicy: heh, I'm outdated then. I've always used ext2 for my /boot
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> also for about 5 or 6 years after 99% of pcs still in use could boot from past 1024 cyllindars people still perpetuated the separate /boot at cyllindar 0 thing because tehy were too dumb to realize that you could boot a 30 gig hard drive at cyllindar 55,000
[04:17] <underdog> johnnybezak: does the dodgy cd issue happen a lot? I mean, it's brand new... but i'm trying one that was used for an installation already
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> I mean fuck
[04:17] <awtomlinson> i have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> I booted from a 30 gig drive with 58,000 cyllindars with / intentionally at the end and 4 gigs wide, with /boot on /, in a 200 mhz pentium from 1998
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> using lilo
[04:18] <johnnybezak> underdog: it certainly can happen, have you got another copy?
[04:18] <mseney> has anyone been able to get the nvidia 6629 drivers to work under Hoary w/ a Riva TNT?
[04:18] <underdog> johnnybezak: can we pm?
[04:19] <johnnybezak> underdog: yeah
[04:20] <awtomlinson>  i have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?
[04:21] <Robzulah> Hello.  I am new to Ubuntu and my Warty Warthog CD's just arrived.  I went to install, but when I go to set up partitions I found out Macintosh has already used up all my free space in one partition.  I've just recently started learning a lot about computers, and partitions are still a bit fuzzy, can I split the main partition in the Ubuntu setup?
[04:24] <calc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15908
[04:24] <calc> that thread seems to have info about how to do what you want
[04:25] <johnnybezak> Robzulah: stop right now
[04:25] <johnnybezak> Robzulah: doing anything to that partition will probably result in you losing ALL DATA ON THE MAC OS partition
[04:26] <mseney> Robzulah, backup your data before trying to install ubuntu!!!!!!!
[04:27] <awtomlinson> why does my Show Desktop icon open the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i make it actually show the desktop
[04:28] <calc> hmm ubuntu probably can't resize it, but from what i read on debian-powerpc if you use a current daily sarge d-i cd and disable the journal it will allow you to resize it
[04:28] <johnnybezak> awtomlinson: the desktop folder is just another place showing your desktop contents, to see the desktop just minimse your windows
[04:29] <awtomlinson> johnnybezak, i know this.  when i previously had ubuntu installed, the Show Desktop icon actually showed the desktop, it didn't open the desktop folder in nautilus
[04:29] <calc> but yes backing up your data is a good idea before doing anything major on a system
[04:29] <awtomlinson> and yes, spatial nautilius is disabled
[04:36] <Robzulah> What is daily sarge d-i?
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> hi all, can someone help me with a question
[04:37] <calc> only if you ask it...
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> I dont remember seeing the installer ask me for a root password at all
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> am I missing something?
[04:38] <calc> there is no root login, you use sudo
[04:38] <FenrisWolf> ok
[04:38] <FenrisWolf> thats what I thought
[04:38] <calc> the account created during install is automatically added to the sudo file
[04:39] <Robzulah> has anyone used the AOL dialer from Linsoft?
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> Robzulah, i have it installed... dialer that is
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> was curious
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> but i dont even use the modem
[04:40] <calc> tga: it was useful when used with aohell ;)
[04:42] <FenrisWolf> calc: is there an X version of Aptitude?
[04:42] <Robzulah> Was it a free download?
[04:42] <calc> FenrisWolf: synaptic is similiar
[04:42] <Robzulah> Unfortuneatly, AOL is my only internet source right now
[04:43] <FenrisWolf> oh no, he found me out :)
[04:43] <calc> FenrisWolf: eh?
[04:44] <FenrisWolf> where do you think you have seen me before
[04:44] <calc> FenrisWolf: not sure it has been a while if i have seen you, perhaps i just confused you with someone else
[04:45] <underdog> guys, ubuntu hangs whenever it uses pcmcia
[04:45] <underdog> any ideas?
[04:45] <calc> i'm primarily on freenode now though i used to be efnet all the time
[04:45] <Thierry> hey, in the daily build of march first, the windows at the bottom are very small... is there a bug for this?
[04:46] <calc> FenrisWolf: so do you know me? ;)
[04:46] <FenrisWolf> hehe, cant say I do
[04:46] <FenrisWolf> I am old as dirt though
[04:47] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah so you didn't use efnet long ago?
[04:47] <FenrisWolf> I did
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: erm #snes?
[04:48] <FenrisWolf> from time to time I was in there
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah that is where then
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: i was in there for 4-5 years i think and in DC
[04:48] <Marble2> where are printers stored?>
[04:49] <FenrisWolf> I was in virginia
[04:51] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah i meant damaged cybernetics
[04:51] <StoffBox-Steve> kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE , right or ?
[04:51] <calc> before i became a foss person ;)
[04:52] <Marble2> anyone know where printers are stored?
[04:52] <tga> Marble2: I have one under my desk
[04:52] <Marble2> uh
[04:52] <Marble2> i mean i ubuntu ;p
[04:52] <tga> i ubuntu too :)
[04:52] <Marble2> in even
[04:52] <raydogg``> what utility should I run to format and partition a new drive ?
[04:52] <Marble2> what's the location of my printer so I can add it to my samba share
[04:53] <calc> raydogg``: fdisk and mkfs.(whatever)
[04:53] <tga> raydogg``: cfdisk to partition it, mkfs.<fs type> to format
[04:53] <hayden> i most ubuntu
[04:54] <johnnybezak> well im updating to hoary, the only thing that seems to be broken so far is firefox
[04:54] <hayden> i updated to hoary last night, i found that the cursor theme changed from the default ubnutu ones
[04:55] <hayden> and that when i tried to type # the english pound sign came up
[04:55] <hayden> so i had to change keyboard layout
[04:55] <johnnybezak> when i restart will it change to x.org?
[04:55] <hayden> mm
[04:55] <johnnybezak> brb restarting x
[04:56] <hayden> what is the version of hoary?
[04:56] <calc> 5.04
[04:56] <calc> grumpy will be 5.10
[04:57] <calc> hayden: its year.month
[04:57] <hayden> ok
[04:57] <calc> hoary releases in just over 1mo from now
[04:57] <hayden> ok
[04:58] <Thierry> hayden, what is the command to upgrade to hoary? like apt-get what
[04:58] <calc> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:58] <calc> you have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file first though
[04:58] <Thierry> ok thanks
[04:58] <usual> whats up calc
[04:59] <calc> usual: not much, recovering from work :\
[04:59] <hayden> Thierry, go to http://www.ubuntuguide.com and search for hoary and you will find how to do it
[04:59] <Thierry> ok good
[04:59] <usual> calc, I hear that man, long day here...just enjoying some gunniess
[05:00] <usual> calc, you using hoary?
[05:00] <calc> usual: yea
[05:00] <usual> calc, are you experiencing the laggy desktop?
[05:00] <calc> usual: not sure, what lags exactly?
[05:01] <usual> calc, nothing major, just everything in X lag's...sluggish
[05:01] <virtuald> calc: 1+2
[05:01] <calc> well repaint seems a bit slow
[05:01] <calc> virtuald: 5
[05:01] <virtuald> thanks mate
[05:01] <srid> Bug in libapache2-mod-python2.4 !! -
[05:01] <srid>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 28, in ?
[05:01] <srid>     import _apache
[05:01] <srid> ImportError: No module named _apache
[05:01] <usual> calc, maybe thats what it is
[05:01] <calc> usual: if i drag things around on the screen i see a lot of trailing garbage
[05:02] <calc> i don't recall that happening before
[05:02] <usual> calc, yeah that
[05:02] <usual> calc, just annoying
[05:02] <hayden> calc, how does shared folders work in hoary
[05:02] <calc> hayden: no idea i haven't used them
[05:02] <hayden> okj
[05:02] <usual> wb Quar
[05:03] <Quar> hrm
[05:03] <Quar> oh thats why
[05:03] <Quar> lol i was i cant identify
[05:03] <usual> heh
[05:04] <Quarupt> usual thx again man
[05:04] <usual> np man
[05:04] <usual> :)
[05:04] <usual> hope it works
[05:04] <Quarupt> I trusted ya to come on my system, and were very trustworthy
[05:05] <Quarupt> now if i could only get mh fglrx working id be in heaven
[05:05] <usual> fglrx?
[05:05] <johnnybezak> done hoary is installed :)
[05:05] <johnnybezak> and alsa is working again, go figure :)
[05:06] <Quarupt> I cant believe all this time i thought i was Hoary i wasnt all the way my sources were still pointed at warty
[05:06] <Quarupt> go figure
[05:07] <Quarupt> probably why the fgrlx didnt work
[05:07] <tga> loool
[05:07] <tga> way to go Quarupt
[05:07] <Quarupt> tga, ya think i should try it again?
[05:07] <Quarupt> lol
[05:07] <Quarupt> I know its so user friendly
[05:08] <johnnybezak> anyone know why mplayer is dependant on a package that doesnt exist in hoary
[05:08] <srid> workin
[05:08] <tga> johnnybezak: look for the restricted formats page on the ubuntu site
[05:08] <usual> brb
[05:09] <Quarupt> johnnybezak, its not
[05:09] <Quarupt> i have it
[05:09] <Quarupt> and im Hoary
[05:09] <NetwrkMonkey> yup
[05:09] <heliolith> hello all: is anyone in here use a Spanish keyboard layout available via the Gnome gui preferences setup menu?  I can get the layout to switch, but the dang accent is backwards!
[05:09] <johnnybezak> ppc?
[05:09] <Quarupt> tga is the fgrlx driver in any repositories you know?
[05:09] <johnnybezak> tga: yeah i dont mind installing it from somewhere else, but how do i tell apt that ive installed it from somewhere else
[05:10] <heliolith> anyone remember the name of the ubuntu spanish channel?  is it ubuntu-es?
[05:10] <Quarupt> tga, Cause i cant remeber where we got it
[05:11] <heliolith> using the little panel to add accents while you're typing in another language is wayyyy too time consuming...
[05:12] <sockler> i made two partitions on my box and installed ubuntu on the second one, windows XP on the first, how do i get the dual boot option every time i start up??
[05:13] <johnnybezak> ok in warty gnome-control-center brought up everything, now it only brings up desktop preferences how do i get it to show everything (im using flux not metacity, hence me needing to know how to get it from the console)
[05:14] <Quarupt> where is gnome-control-center
[05:14] <GammaRay> sockler: edit /etc/grub/ment.lst
[05:15] <GammaRay> sockler: comment out hiddenmenu
[05:15] <NumPy> hello all
[05:15] <packman_e> hello all
[05:15] <Quarupt> That was weird
[05:15] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: thats the programs command
 hello all
[05:15] <Quarupt> --> packman_e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
 hello all
[05:16] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: to launch from the console
[05:16] <Quarupt> johnnybezak, yea, but its not in any of the menu's?
[05:16] <johnnybezak> Quarapt: its probably called something like Control Center
[05:16] <packman_e> just a quick question to kick things off. after installing ubuntu 4, how do you set a password for root please?
[05:16] <NumPy> ..is there a dev channel for ubuntu
[05:16] <sockler> GammaRay: i cant even get to ubuntu, windows XP boots first, i looked in setup but didnt see anything about partitions
[05:17] <Quarupt> packman_e, sudu passwd, but iw ouldnt recomend it
[05:17] <Quarupt> s/sudu/sudo
[05:17] <packman_e> why?
[05:17] <Quarupt> sudo is a security feature
[05:17] <dr_willis> its a bad habbit to use root that way.
[05:17] <dr_willis> is their logic
[05:18] <dr_willis> when ya need to do rooty stuff. use that user and 'sudo whatever'
[05:18] <packman_e> i don't understand
[05:18] <dr_willis> "rooty stuff" :)
[05:18] <Quarupt> it does get annoting though, i also did sudo passwd
[05:18] <Quarupt> annoying
[05:18] <packman_e> i would have thought that it would be worse for root not to have a password
[05:18] <dr_willis> packman_e,  from a security point of view - you should NEVER login as root.   as a user that CAN do the sudo stuff.. do it that way
[05:18] <GammaRay> sockler: is ubuntu on a seperate hdd?
[05:18] <tga> I do sudo su or sudo -s
[05:18] <StoffBox-Steve> sockler, have you set the Grub Bootloader to the partition and not to the MBR ?
[05:19] <johnnybezak> packman_e: there is an faq on the website about this
[05:19] <BiteMeBill> You can always use the root terminal and not enter the password all the time.
[05:19] <tga> sudo is useful in an environment where you're keeping track of who's doing what
[05:19] <dr_willis> tga,  yea - theres that also :P
[05:20] <usual> night
[05:20] <usual> good luck Quarupt
[05:20] <packman_e> dr_willis, no, no i dont actually want to login as root, i just want to set the password so that i can set up stuff like networking
[05:21] <piratePenguin> what's the cool (easy to use) iptables script? I used it before, forgot the name
[05:21] <dr_willis> packman_e,  you can do all that with 'sudo'  once ya learn how :P
[05:21] <StoffBox-Steve> when it ask a root PW . than simple use your UserPW packman_e :D
[05:21] <BiteMeBill> packman_e: then password that you set during install is the password you use with sudo.
[05:21] <dr_willis> packman_e,  of course ya can alwyas do 'sudo passwd' and set the root users password and be done with it.
[05:21] <dr_willis> the inital users password is also the root/sudo password.
[05:22] <packman_e> hmmm. that has confused me.
[05:22] <packman_e> whay does the system do that?
[05:23] <dr_willis> packman_e,  how else wold you have it do that?
[05:23] <dr_willis> it asks for the main users password.. and sets that as the default sudo password also.. simple. :P
[05:23] <delltony> question what needs to be edited to change  your gobal font sizes in kde? i have 20/20 vision but this 5pt font is killing my eyes :(
[05:24] <drspin> what's a good id3 tag editor that will organize my folders????
[05:24] <hub> hi
[05:24] <uMkulu> hi, hub
[05:24] <hub> does ubuntu support booting with a AHA 2940-UW SCSI controller ?
[05:24] <Marble2> when I get rpms from rpmfind.net what version should I get them for
[05:25] <Marble2> if ubuntu isn't listed
[05:25] <dr_willis> Hmm
[05:25] <dr_willis> ubuntu uses rpms ? i dident think so
[05:25] <drspin> hub... I have that scsi controller on my other system
[05:25] <dr_willis> or am i confused here..
[05:25] <StoffBox-Steve> Marble2, ubuntu using Deb not rpm
[05:25] <drspin> dr_willis: it uses DEB as opposed to RPM
[05:25] <tga> Marble2: you generally don't get rpms for Ubuntu
[05:25] <hub> drspin: I either get /dev/sda2 not found or linuxrc crashing
[05:25] <Marble2> oh
[05:25] <Marble2> ok
[05:25] <drspin> hub -- did you install ubuntu from a SCSI cd drive??
[05:25] <hub> drspin: no
[05:25] <drspin> I had to or it wouldn't configure right...
[05:25] <dr_willis> drspin,  yea - heh heh - i thogh so.. :P  but i test out sooo many different disrtos..
[05:26] <hub> drspin: it is IDE
[05:26] <packman_e> dr_willis, just to let you guys know that i am a newbie, but i tried fedora and that one gets you to set a root passowrd at install as well as a user password and when you need to do admin tasks you type in 'su -' then the root password or when using a graphical tool it would ask you for a root password and you would type it in
[05:26] <StoffBox-Steve> when you need stuff simple try > apt-cache search Programm
[05:26] <hub> drspin: maybe I should try the SCSI burner instead
[05:26] <StoffBox-Steve> and than apt-get install Programm
[05:26] <drspin> hub: that's exactly what I did --
[05:26] <drspin> hub: :)
[05:26] <hub> if I can boot from it
[05:27] <dr_willis> packman_e,  the idea of 'su -' is condisdred a security  issue..  Yea i know its how allthe OTHER disrtos default to doing it.. but its still a issue.. and the ubuntu guys are very PARANOID about security.
[05:27] <packman_e> oh ok
[05:27] <sockler> Gamma: still with me?  no, ubuntu and windows XP is on the same hd
[05:27] <packman_e> sorry i did'nt know
[05:28] <sockler> the problem is that only windows boots, i want to be able to choose which one
[05:28] <dr_willis> actually most all the Disrots are begining to get more and more paranid about security.. which is good I guess. :P
[05:28] <GammaRay> sockler: where did you install the ubuntu bootloader(grub)?
[05:29] <sockler> where the first partition is
[05:29] <sockler> wherever that is
[05:29] <packman_e> dr_willis, if you don't mind, how is it a security issue using su - over sudo please?
[05:30] <virtuald> dr_willis: s/Disrots/OSes/
[05:30] <hayden> what would i have to install to be able to compile programs in c?
[05:30] <GammaRay> sockler: it should be installed on the MBR. that's what your bios loads
[05:31] <virtuald> hayden: build-essential
[05:31] <uMkulu> build-essential is a package alias for install all the tools needed to compile source on debian based systems
[05:31] <hayden> ok thanks
[05:31] <sockler> GammaRay: when i get to the MBR, i should have to choice which OS to boot from?
[05:31] <dr_willis> packman_e,  therea a faq on it i think at the ubuntu site. :P
[05:32] <dr_willis> you normally dont want a 'root' shell. where you could accidently type the wrong command it the basics I guess.
[05:32] <Quarupt> is there a way to put like a 10 second delay on an onjoin command in Xchat?
[05:32] <GammaRay> sockler: yes *if* you install the boot loader on the MBR, otherwise windows's bootloader is still there doing what it always did
[05:33] <hub> kernelpnaic in linuxrc at boot
[05:33] <hub> any idea ?
[05:33] <hub> shall I try a SuSE ?
[05:33] <hub> :-/
[05:34] <Quarupt> spound like HW probs to me
[05:34] <delltony> how do you change the gtk-theme please?
[05:34] <sockler> Gamma: well i installed ubuntu first, then XP second, so would the XP bootload overwrite GRUB??
[05:34] <dr_willis> yes sock it would.
[05:34] <virtuald> hub: what are the messages above "kernel panic"?
[05:35] <Quarupt> Hrm i guess not
[05:35] <Quarupt> Xchat is boring
[05:35] <Quarupt> i wanna new client
[05:35] <Quarupt> or to customize this one maybe ill go look at some scripts
[05:35] <dr_willis> Quarupt,  go get irssi :P
[05:35] <sockler> hmm so i guess i have to reinstall ubuntu...will GRUB overwrite the XP bootload?
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: I don't know because it display a stacktrace
[05:35] <virtuald> B] ]
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: making eveything taking the screen
[05:35] <GammaRay> sockler: see this http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#4
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: but I think it is "loading Linux...."
[05:36] <hub> virtuald: it booted once and said it couldn't find /dev/sda2 (probably the swap)
[05:36] <virtuald> heh, well it's above my level
[05:36] <hub> virtuald: it is unusual
[05:36] <hub> it is a quite old machine, no fancy hardware
[05:36] <hub> and install goes smoothly with the boot CD-ROM
[05:36] <virtuald> M'Kay
[05:37] <sockler> Gamma: thank you very much, one last q: is my ubuntu root device a /?
[05:37] <hub> my is a 4.10 Install CD
[05:37] <virtuald> did you try with a 2.4 or 2.2 kernel? :)
[05:37] <dash> someone help me out here. is the next version after hoary going to be Grumpy Groundhog, or Bendy Badger? i have seen both on the wiki :)
[05:37] <virtuald> that might work better for old hardware
[05:37] <hub> virtuald: I didn't. I don't have the choice at boot time
[05:38] <dr_willis> dash,  I thinkits going to be Hammy Hampster
[05:38] <hub> virtuald: only 2.6
[05:38] <virtuald> ok
[05:38] <dash> dr_willis: I was hoping for Snarky Sandhog.
[05:38] <GammaRay> sockler: that depends on where it is on the ide cable, and which interface it's on
[05:38] <hayden> whats the difference of dir and ls
[05:38] <sockler> how would i determine that?
[05:38] <dr_willis> dash,  i dont even know what a SandHog is. :P and i watch ANimalPlanet all the time.
[05:38] <dash> hayden: dir just runs ls with different options
[05:38] <hayden> ok
[05:39] <GammaRay> sockler: /dev/hda is primary master, hdb pri. slave, hdc secondary master, hdd sec. slave
[05:39] <dash> dr_willis: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0063800.html ;-)
[05:40] <hub> so I'm boned
[05:40] <jeavis> hello what patition software I can use from boot
[05:40] <sockler> Gamma: alright mine would be hda then.... thanks a whole lot
[05:40] <dr_willis>  A laborer who works inside a caisson  --- ok.. now whats a Caisson :P
[05:40] <GammaRay> sockler: you also need the partiton number...
[05:40] <dash> jeavis: the thingy on the install cd is probably your best bet
[05:40] <GammaRay> sockler: /dev/hda1 would be the first partition
[05:41] <jeavis> dash: I have problems with a machine, is so strange, I use my ubuntu cdrom
[05:41] <sockler> yeah i got that
[05:41] <sockler> thanks :-)
[05:41] <jeavis> dash: I need a partition program from boot
[05:42] <dash> jeavis: i don't understand what you mean "from boot", exactly. the install CD is bootable, and includes a partition program
[05:42] <blizah> whats the open source alternative to excel?
[05:42] <blizah> lotus?
[05:43] <farruinn> jeavis: if you're just installing ubuntu it will walk you through what you need to do
[05:43] <dash> blizah: openoffice calc probably
[05:43] <dash> it's what i use
[05:43] <blizah> what about autocad?
[05:43] <blizah> know of any?
[05:43] <dash> mmm, nope
[05:43] <farruinn> blizah: openoffice is most like excel, but there is also gnumeric if you wish
[05:44] <jba> how to install oofice2?
[05:44] <knucks> GUYS
[05:44] <jeavis> farruin: I need a software that partition from boot
[05:44] <knucks> i need serious help
[05:44] <StoffBox-Steve> openoffice 2 per apt-get done ?
[05:44] <farruinn> jeavis: "from boot" as in the install CD, LiveCD, or harddrive?
[05:45] <knucks> who can PM me and can help me with all my problems?
[05:45] <dash> knucks: for how much money?-)
[05:45] <farruinn> knucks: that's not the best way to get help
[05:45] <knucks> lol
[05:45] <knucks> ok well i need some help then
[05:45] <farruinn> knucks: just ask your questions here, if people know the answers they will help
[05:45] <LinuxJones> knucks, rolf
[05:45] <tuxJr_14> jba: apt-get install openoffice
[05:45] <knucks> all right
[05:45] <knucks> well i tried getting mp3 support on my copy of ubuntu
[05:45] <knucks> to no avail
[05:46] <knucks> rhythmbox freezes when i try to play an mp3
[05:46] <scorpix> jba: apt-get install openoffice.org2
[05:46] <knucks> and then i tried installing xmms (which i think I did) but i dont know how to launch it
[05:46] <tga> gah ooffice2 is fugly
[05:46] <jeavis> farruinn: yes as install cd
[05:46] <tga> scorpix: not yet, openoffice 1 is still nicer
[05:46] <blizah> i just installed ubuntu yesterday, is ati catalyst for linux easy to install?
[05:47] <kingsley_> Is there an application which renders 3d text like gltext, but which also allows you to choose the text's orientation and font/
[05:47] <knucks> so my question is, how do i launch xmms and put it on my panel?
[05:47] <farruinn> jeavis: the installer uses parted
[05:47] <dash> knucks: are you using hoary?
[05:47] <knucks> i dont know?
[05:47] <dash> wait never mind
[05:47] <knucks> how do i check
[05:47] <knucks> im new to the whole linux thing all together
[05:47] <dash> okay, if you were you'd know :)
[05:47] <dash> no big deal
[05:48] <sockler> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#4 ... what does /target stand for??
[05:48] <tga> blizah: apt-cache search fglrx
[05:48] <blizah> k
[05:48] <LinuxJones> ubuntu-artwork package is broken ??
[05:48] <knucks> so can you help me then?
[05:48] <StoffBox-Steve> apt-get install openoffice.org2 << update OF1.3 or is it a new install ?
[05:49] <tga> openoffice.org2 is fugly and it's still in beta, use ooffice 1
[05:49] <dash> knucks: for the first test, the easiest thing to do is just to hit 'Run' on the applications menu
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> hey, why dont we make a qt/xdialog/xmessege/gtk based installer for ubuntu?
[05:49] <dash> knucks: and type in xmms
[05:49] <speel> i think all software ( not security updates ) updates are on freeze or somthing
[05:49] <blizah> tga are the three fglrx the things i install for a radeon 9800 pro?...and do i still download ati's catalyst?
[05:49] <tga> tuxJr_14: you go ahead and write one
[05:49] <scorpix> StoffBox-Steve: it'll install OOo2 without removing OOo1
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> it wont be tough.
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> but will be heavy
[05:49] <dash> tga: it's only fugly if you don't have the gtk integration :)
[05:50] <farruinn> tuxJr_14: the installer is text based to save room on the disc
[05:50] <StoffBox-Steve> thx scorpix :) thats the info i want
[05:50] <farruinn> at least to my knowledge
[05:50] <knucks> dash: nope nothing
[05:50] <tga> blizah: as far as I know you only get the fglrx kernel module and driver.. it should just work
[05:50] <StoffBox-Steve> sure tga whats why i ask :)
[05:50] <tga> dash: I got the -gnome package but I'm not sure what to do with it.. I'm getting the win32 look with the crappy icons
[05:50] <dash> knucks: Hmm. Not even an error message? Interesting
[05:50] <dash> tga: yeah, i got that originally
[05:50] <knucks> it seems like it does something but nothing launches
[05:50] <tuxJr_14> knuck: are you using the downloaded iso or the shipped cd?
[05:51] <knucks> shipped cd..but it updated a whole lot once i installed
[05:51] <tga> dash: so what did you do to it?
[05:51] <blizah> tga, fglrx-control, fglrx-driver, and fglrx-driver-dev are what popuped up when i searched under syanptic
[05:51] <blizah> install all three?
[05:51] <dash> tga: it got fixed when i installed -gnome
[05:51] <tga> blizah: I think you need the fglrx-driver and the linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[05:51] <dash> knucks: Truly odd
[05:51] <dash> knucks: do other sounds play?
[05:51] <knucks> um
[05:51] <knucks> i dont think so
[05:51] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, that's what
[05:52] <knucks> where can i check
[05:52] <dash> knucks: Do you get sounds when you login?
[05:52] <knucks> no i dont believe so
[05:52] <tga> blizah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto