[00:44] <xubuntu464> hi just upgraded via download it didnt ask for language... icelandic in this case .. now the keyboard is in english
[00:45] <DoverMo> O:
[00:50] <mattxtn> settings - language support
[01:42] <xubuntu666> Hello? Is this working? Can I get help with my installation?
[01:59] <nomic> hi
[02:03] <knives2886> hello anyone on?
[02:05] <voidfire_> ?
[02:07] <knives2886> can anyone help me out
[02:08] <voidfire_> with what?
[02:10] <knives2886> going from 13.10 to 14
[02:11] <knives2886> i have a msi am2 apu and i know there were issues with them but idk if they fixed them yet
[02:11] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | knives2886, clean install is recommended.  in-place upgrade is doable but ... end-of-life
[02:11] <knives2886> just seeing if anyone knows if they have been resolved or not
[02:12] <knives2886> iv done clean install and it still hangs up and reboost the pc
[02:12] <knives2886> in a endless loop
[04:11] <dia__> hello
[04:11] <dia__> My software updater keeps trying to install updates onto my /boot partition but i dont want that
[04:11] <dia__> can someone help
[04:34] <vrkalak> Unit193, hey, you here?
[04:35] <Unit193> Kind of, but not so sure or not so much.
[04:37] <vrkalak> I was installing a Debian-7.6 (weekly image) ... the 'inxi' apps/script was not included
[04:38] <vrkalak> I had a bugger of a time to getting inxi ( I noticed that a maintainer for inxi)
[06:37] <xubuntu891> hello I have questions about xubuntu's Full Disk Encryption feature at the installation of xubuntu
[06:39] <xubuntu891> what is the quality of xubuntu's full disk encryption as compared with dm-crypt or any other encryption programs for xubuntu?
[06:47] <Deddokatana> Good Morning Internet!
[07:07] <xubuntu746> Hi.  I can't start the Terminal console in Xubuntu 14.4.  It pops up a window, shows text, then closes before I can read it.
[07:08] <xubuntu746> Any ideas how I could fix this?
[09:32] <xubuntu979> I a netbook with intel graphics media accererator 3150. is it nessesary to install the intel driver ?
[09:33] <knome> if everything works as expected, not at all
[09:34] <xubuntu979> everything works fine.. no problems.. but not try any games yet.. it is a small computer anyway.
[09:35] <knome> as the saying goes: "don't fix it if it ain't broken", so as long as everything works as expeted... don't install the drivers :)
[09:36] <xubuntu979> ok.. good.. i dont have to make more work for my self then...
[09:40] <xubuntu979> is it drivers in the softwarecenter or it need to be dowloaded from intel ?
[09:41] <knome> always download drivers first from the software center if possible
[09:47] <akis> hi all. i just clean installed 14.04 and for the moment is running smoothly (no special different compared to 12.04) but i realized that firefox although it starts fast it doesnt download any page before at least 1 min passes. any idea to override this issue?
[10:08] <akis> hi all. i just clean installed 14.04 and for the moment is running smoothly (no special different compared to 12.04) but i realized that firefox although it starts fast it doesnt download any page before at least 1 min passes. any idea to override this issue?
[10:13] <Wlsonjl3> is there a way to encrypt a single folder?
[10:16] <slickymasterWork> !encfs
[10:17] <slickymasterWork> Wlsonjl3: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption
[10:17] <Wlsonjl3> thank you, slickymasterwork
[10:21] <Wlsonjl3> i don't understand this, i have a file in my home directory called junk, do i just do encfs ~/.junk ??
[10:22] <Wlsonjl3> ohhhh nevermind
[10:24] <Wlsonjl3> fuse failed. Common problems:
[10:24] <Wlsonjl3>  - fuse kernel module not installed (modprobe fuse)
[10:24] <Wlsonjl3>  - invalid options -- see usage message
[10:24] <knome> !paste | Wlsonjl3
[10:55] <xubuntu637> herp?
[10:56] <knome> xubuntu637, ask your question and if somebody knows the answer, they'll most likely reply
[10:59] <xubuntu637> I figured it out :C
[11:01] <xubuntu637> hardware encryption on a WNA1100 usb wireless adapter  was broken and causing abnormally poor performance. Most google results gave the fix for the ath9k drivers, but xubuntu 14.10 ships with the ath9k_htc drivers, thus the fix wasn't working because it needs to be in ath9k_htc.conf and have ath9k_htc instead of just ath9k in the options line to disable hardware encryption
[11:02] <xubuntu637> options ath9k_htc nohwcrypt=1   in /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k_htc.conf   and a restart fixes
[11:02] <xubuntu637> I realized this only after logging on the the irc
[11:04] <xubuntu637> although I *am* getting some weirdness in the terminal occasionally when running sudo. it says something along the lines of "sudo: timestamp too far in the future:" and then a date and time after that
[11:04] <xubuntu637> clearly this desktop is a time traveler
[11:17] <Junka> what is the alternative iso?
[11:18] <knome> Junka, it offers a text-mode installation.
[11:18] <cfhowlett> Junka, text based installation
[11:18] <Junka> is the installation the same as the standard iso?
[11:18] <Junka> or is it more minimal?
[11:21] <knome> Junka, it is exactly the same
[11:21] <cfhowlett> Junka, precisely the same
[11:22] <Junka> hmm interesting channel :D i get double support :P
[11:22] <knome> sorry for the inconvenience, i'll withdraw immediately!
[11:22] <Junka> np
[11:23] <Junka> does the minimal iso install the desktop?
[11:24] <cfhowlett> Junka, only if you choose it.
[11:24] <cfhowlett> !mini | junka
[11:29] <Junka> i would like to install xubuntu-desktop but i would like to choose/install the packages for browser,media player etc, what's the best way for achieving this? I tried sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop but i ended up with a crippled desktop i.e. no menu aka wisker, corrupted icons
[11:29] <cfhowlett> Junka, install the defaults, then add what you want
[11:30] <Junka> cfhowlett, if i install the defaults, then i would need to replace them
[11:31] <Junka> i have read that it is no good to remove default apps
[11:31] <cfhowlett> Junka, of COURSE you can remove!  you then need to set symlinks and preference to reflect your choices
[11:33] <Junka> ok :)
[11:34] <Junka> i read also that the alternative iso has a wider range for supporting hardware than the standard iso. Is that true?
[11:35] <cfhowlett> Junka, I'd be surprised if true, but IDK
[12:03] <Junka> cfhowlett, ok thanks
[13:05] <xubuntu687> Hello I'm facing some problems with my dual monitor setup in xubuntu 14.04,is anyone willing to help me ?
[13:05] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu687
[13:05] <akis> hi all. i finished today with a clean installation of 14.04 and i realized that mozilla is very-very slow comparising with 12.04. is there any known issue? is there any solution for this?
[13:06] <xubuntu687> Oops sorry then. So...So I've installed xubuntu and I have a problem with my dual monitors. Well to move the mouse to the second monitor which is on the left of me (right monitor is my main one) I have to move the mouse all to the right instead of just going left. How can I solve this ?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> akis, current release is 14.04.1                 sudo apt-get dist-upgrade               may fix your issue and WILL bring you current
[13:07] <baizon> xubuntu687: install arandr, thats a nice guy for configuration. It should solve your problem
[13:07] <baizon> guy = gui
[13:08] <xubuntu687> well I installed it and used it but now my main display is the left one instead of the right one, though the mouse can move freely between monitors. Is there any way to change which is my main display of the two ?
[13:08] <akis> cfhowlett, when i finished with the clean installation the system asked for an update and proceeded already with this. the problem is still here!
[13:09] <baizon> xubuntu687: yes, drag the monitor to your left/right?
[13:09] <baizon> arandr supports dragging
[13:11] <xubuntu687> yeah that's what I did first, but if I do this again, if I rearrange the monitors again I will be back to step one where my right monitor is the main one(panel and all) but I can't move the mouse all to the left to get to the left monitor
[13:12] <xubuntu687> Basically I would like to know if it's possible to extend my main monitor(right one) to the left instead to the right so I can move freely between the two monitors
[13:13] <GridCube> yes
[13:13] <xubuntu687> Can you show me the way ?
[13:14] <GridCube> xubuntu687, go to the settings manager and find the monitors setting
[13:14]  * MaSammiches
[13:14] <baizon> xubuntu687: drag your main display to the right and set it as main display. Problem solved
[13:14] <GridCube> xubuntu687, there you should see the two devices, you can set up to be mirrored or extended
[13:16] <xubuntu687> hmm I can't do that in the display settings
[13:16] <GridCube> xubuntu687, what release are you using?
[13:17] <xubuntu687> Also I have catalyst installed too but still cant change my main monitor, 14.04
[13:17] <xubuntu687> *14.04.1
[13:17] <GridCube> well then, install arandr
[13:17] <xubuntu687> I did
[13:17] <GridCube> open it and drag the screens to the position you want
[13:18] <GridCube> click apply, save the script that sets your screens how you want, add the script to the autorun of applications at log in on the settings
[13:18] <xubuntu687> look. I use arandr to change the position of my displays, but then the main monitor is the left one
[13:19] <xubuntu687> the panel and all are in the left monitor if I do this
[13:19] <baizon> xubuntu687: so set the right one as primary?
[13:19] <GridCube> xubuntu687, can you share a screenshot of your arandr screen?
[13:19] <GridCube> !imagebin
[13:21] <xubuntu687> ok let me take a screenshot, but I don't see a button that will let me change the primary monitor
[13:21] <xubuntu687> http://i.imgur.com/J7dR4qV.png
[13:22] <GridCube> xubuntu687, what happens if you place crt1 first and dfp5 last
[13:24] <xubuntu687> If I do this, the right monitor becomes the primary but I can't move to the left monitor moving the mouse all to the left. I have to move the mouse aaaalll to the right to get to the left monitor
[13:24] <baizon> xubuntu687: set your primary screen with xrandr --output DPF5 --primary
[13:25] <baizon> or CRT1 if you want it to be as you primary screen
[13:25] <GridCube> im pretty sure you are able to do that from arandr too
[13:25] <xubuntu687> I can't find this option in arandr
[13:25] <xubuntu687> also
[13:25] <xubuntu687>  output DPF5 not found; ignoring
[13:26] <baizon> wow
[13:26] <GridCube> O-o
[13:26] <baizon> xubuntu687: set your primary screen with xrandr --output DFP5 --primary
[13:26] <baizon> sorry for my missspell
[13:26] <xubuntu687> hmm nothing happened, should  I restart ?
[13:27] <baizon> ok, im out
[13:27] <baizon> sorry
[13:27] <xubuntu687> well it could work better, not your fault and not my fault
[13:27] <xubuntu687> cinnamon worked almost out of the box but  I didn't like it as a DE
[13:28] <xubuntu687> I don't know I'm helpless
[13:28] <GridCube> i used to have some problems with dual monitors a few releases ago, but now it works pretty well
[13:28] <akis> hi all. i finished today with a clean installation of 14.04 and i realized that mozilla is very-very slow comparising with 12.04. is there any known issue? is there any solution for this?
[13:28] <GridCube> akis, not really, and not really
[13:29] <cfhowlett> akis, run top to see what's easting your system
[13:29] <xubuntu687> Man I searched arround but it seems that I only have this problem
[13:29] <xubuntu687> I'm furious. I would switch to unity but it's sluggy and bloated
[13:29] <GridCube> xubuntu687, probably privative drivers are being conflictive?
[13:29] <GridCube> try to use generic drivers?
[13:29] <xubuntu687> hmmm good idea.
[13:30] <xubuntu687> will try later cause I have to do some errants now. Ty for the help. Will report back later
[13:30] <akis> cfhowlett, what are you mean?
[13:31] <MaSammiches> akis open terminal and run "top"
[13:31] <GridCube> akis, he means you open a terminal and run the program called "top"
[13:32] <MaSammiches> it will launch a full terminal application that will give you a lot of different details, about 1/4 of the way down the screen (or as little as 1/8 if your full screen) will be moveing details
[13:32] <MaSammiches> the moveing part will show what is currently eating the most ram by default (i think)
[13:33]  * GridCube particularly likes htop
, will this solve my problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8206267/
[13:34] <MaSammiches> i need to install htop... i work with old sles box's at work, so they dont have htop
[13:35] <MaSammiches> @GridCube thanks, its installed now to setup an alias :D
[13:36] <GridCube> akis, what does that have to do with firefox?
[13:37] <akis> GridCube, what do you mean?
[13:38] <akis> fireffox is slow when it starts.
[13:38] <akis> very slow.
[13:38] <akis> it takes 1 min or more to download pages
[13:38] <akis> then it works better
[13:39] <akis> on the same machine under 12.04 there was no problem, with the same edition of firefox.
[14:51] <akis> does anyone know why thunar has 2 "file system" in left side panel on 14.04?
[14:52] <cfhowlett> akis, multiple linux/ubuntu intall would look like that
[14:53] <akis> i just finished with a fresh clean install !
[14:53] <cfhowlett> akis, dual boot?   w
[14:54] <akis> no. nothing. single user on a single boot. the first file system icon is white and cannot be browsed. the second has an icon and i can explore it normally.
[14:56] <cfhowlett> akis, proceed carefully.  you cant mount the other filesystem?  strange....  how much space is it using?
[14:57] <akis> no i can do nothing with it. if i click on this "white" icon the system works without any other action.
[14:57] <akis> ops!!! = network:///
[14:58] <cfhowlett> akis, ... time for you to take a nap or get a cup of coffee, I think
[15:00] <akis> to make thunar load faster i choose cd /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/ and sudo mousepad network.mount and i choose "false". Now thunar starts faster but network is now like a file system!
[15:03] <xubuntu746> I can't start the Terminal console in Xubuntu 14.4.  It pops up a window, shows text, then closes before I can read it. Any ideas?
[15:05] <holstein> xubuntu746: 14.04*
[15:06] <holstein> xubuntu746: you are launching a terminal emulator? how? by clicking on it in a menu?
[15:07] <akis> why thunderbird and other apps doesnt have any sound after my fresh clean isntallation of 14.04? i have to mention that i can hear sound from songs/videos or youtube normally
[15:08] <holstein> akis: what sound are they supposed to make?
[15:09] <holstein> !audio
[15:09] <akis> the sound i had on 12.04 !
[15:09] <xubuntu746> Righ, sorry, 14.04
[15:09] <holstein> akis: the applications are different from 12.04.. the applications may not be set to make sounds any longer
[15:10] <holstein> akis: what would i do? test my audio, and make sure its working as expected.. then, i would look at the specific appplications and see if there are settings for whatever sounds you are looking for
[15:10] <akis> in preferences of thunderbird there are still options for sound for incoming messages.
[15:11] <akis> no sound also when 14.04 starts or halt. is that normal too?
[15:13] <holstein> akis: i turn all sounds like that off on all operating systems.. so, TBH, i dont remember if anything makes a sound when starting or stopping.. but, regardless, you are assuming you are having an audio issue.. please test your audio independent of application audio and notification sounds
[15:15] <akis> thunderbird doesnt paly any sound on preferences/general/play a sound when is clicked. i think that something is missing that in 12.04 existed so sound for applications is no more enabled!
[15:16] <holstein> akis: i would fire up a live cd for 14.04 and test the audio in question.. i would try a different user account. .i would test my audio device and isolate what i can
[15:20] <akis> not very serious issue to continue with this. but really something doesnt work well. another thing. i am trying to sychronize my time with internet server but i got the following message: Could not install package & The necessary applications to install the package could not be found.
[15:20] <holstein> akis: try and manually install the packages you like
[15:21] <akis> yea...but which packages are they?
[15:21] <holstein> akis: i would run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and make sure i have all the updates..
[15:22] <akis> i checked already. i have them all. fresh install and fresh followed upgrade!
[15:22] <akis> update sorry
[15:22] <holstein> akis: its *not* a fresh install. and if it were me, i would try with another user account to remove my old user configs from the equation... i also like to test with a live CD
[15:23] <akis> why it is not? it is a 5 hours ago clean one!
[15:24] <holstein> akis: if you upgraded from 12.04, thats an upgrade.. a fresh install is that.. you freshly install the operating system.. not upgrade 14.04 from 12.04
[15:25] <akis> i didnt upgrade from 12.04. i erased my previous system and i fresh installed 14.04 from the CD and i re-configure everything form the begiging. i am not a fresh user!
[15:26] <holstein> akis: im not implying you are a "Fresh user". i was simply working with you since you stated you upgraded from 12.04..
[15:26] <holstein> akis: i understand, and *still* say, remove your user config from the equation and test with a live CD..
[15:26] <cfhowlett> akis, agree with holstein
[15:27] <holstein> akis: i personally never have to do anything to get the time server setup.. and i wonder about the state of the installation media.. etc
[15:28] <xubuntu900> I hope i have an easy fix and that i am just over looking something... How do i delete files off a removeable usb drive? thanks
[15:28] <akis> why??? the CD was on my drive 5 hours ago. did the CD write other files on my HD and other files are available in live version???!!!
[15:29] <cfhowlett> xubuntu900, right click, delete (NOT move to trash)
[15:29] <holstein> akis: thats actually correct.. the live system you installed from *does* have older versions of packages and kernels on it than your installed, up to date install
[15:30] <holstein> akis: i dont think that is the issue, however.. what i think is, you just need to take a little time to get accustomed to some changes, and address a few things that will make the operating system meet your personal needs
[15:31] <holstein> akis: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/NTP.html for example.. though, i have never had to manually do this, and i dont know why you are needing to
[15:32] <akis> the fact is that on a 5 hours fresh clean install which has been already updated through "software Updater" when the installation was completed doesnt have the possibility to be sychronized on NTP servers and i am getting this message: NTP support is not installed & Please install and activate NTP support in the system to enable synchronization of your local time server with internet time servers & Could not install package & The necessary appl
[15:32] <akis> ications to install the package could not be found.
[15:33] <holstein> akis: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ntp"
[15:33] <xubuntu900> thanks cfhowlett.... i  had to open and then delete... got it .. for future reference and way to just delete whole thing with out having to do each file
[15:33] <holstein> !paste ^
[15:33] <holstein> !paste
[15:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu900, mount it, rm filename*
[15:34] <xubuntu900> ok thanks
[15:36] <akis> thanks for this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/NTP.html . Is that true that the time is always sychronized with Ubuntu's NTP server although the time is set to "manually" and to sychronized option? do i understand right or not?
[15:37] <holstein> akis: again, i have literally never needed to look into this, personally, on *any* modern linux distro.. it makes me wonder what is going on with your specific setup
[15:38] <holstein> akis: where did you get what iso? did you download a xubuntu 14.04 32bit iso?
[15:40] <akis> as far i can remember in older vers there was the option to setup and synch. now there is not ready. thats the point. but if i am sure that my time it woulf be always sync i am satisfied. but is it sure that?
[15:40] <holstein> akis: is your time off?
[15:43] <akis> iso? -:))) i found it by coincidence. of course not !!! i downloaded from xubuntu official site. i am running 12.04 on 3 machines and i am running linux more than 15 years! time is on and as far as i can see is absolutely sync (in secs!) with my other pc which is still runs 12.04 and is sync with ntp server.
[15:44] <holstein> akis: i would just watch it then, and only address the issue *if* its an issue
[15:44] <akis> is there is a page where can i post a screenshot?
[15:45] <holstein> !paste
[15:45] <holstein> !screenshots
[15:48] <rustyraptor> what does "enable base mosaic" mean in the nvidia X-Server settings?
[15:49] <holstein> rustyraptor: im reading its something like this.. http://www.nvidia.com/content/quadro/mosaic-technology/desktop-management.jpg
[15:50] <rustyraptor> oh I see
[15:51] <rustyraptor> I don't want that then lol
[15:51] <holstein> you likely cant do it..
[15:52] <rustyraptor> yeah I need multiple GPUs I think
[15:52] <rustyraptor> and it's a laptop lol
[15:53] <holstein> which has an external port, likely.. but, you probably just want dual head
[15:53] <akis> http://imgur.com/CwbXwe0,T2OtoIG,Syy8y4M,rxY0Qoe,ATwxpQ7
[15:54] <holstein> akis: if you want a volunteer to look at those, i would link them, all in one line, as easily clickable links
[15:55] <holstein> akis: the question is, *is* your time syncing? if it is, then, just enjoy the system
[15:59] <akis> for the time being it is synchronized. but it will be after some days. dont forget that 5 hours ago the system time was syncronized via 12.04 and although everything was erased to 14.04 be installed i think that the clock was already synced. but as the battery of the system cannot hold sync at every second if in future the system doesnt sync via a ntp server maybe will have different time.
[16:00] <xubuntu431> how do I go about setting up my wifi on here.
[16:04] <akis> anyone maybe knows if it is possible to hide or rename the "network" icon in thunar's side panel which is named as "File system" although it the network http://imgur.com/7BpGmyf ?
[16:04] <holstein> akis: i *still* suggest, keep an eye on it, and just deal with a time syncing issue *if* its an issue
[16:06] <akis> should i have to install ntpd, from a terminal or should this already be installed as i cannot believe that on 2014 a brand new system doesnt have a ntp sync ready for any user???
[16:07] <MaSammichs> not sure if you need to install, but not many average users setup ntp
[16:07] <holstein> akis: as i said, i have never had to do anything like that.. and, you are not reporting anything that makes me think you need to
[16:08] <holstein> akis: if your time is in sync, please just check in on it, and deal with the issue *if* its an issue. otherwise, you are not having any problem
[16:09] <MaSammichs> holstein: sorry, i walked away and didnt see you were having a conversation with akis about this already
[16:09] <akis> my time is synced. but i am sure for that when i am reading that the time is not configured but only "manually"? look around you! is there any OS that it does not have ready this option? Windows? IoS? Android?
 you are welcome!
[16:15] <holstein> akis: as i said, this volunteer has never needed to look into setting this up manually. its always just worked for me
[16:15] <holstein> !bug | akis
[16:15] <holstein> akis: if you feel you have found a bug, ^, or if you would like to make suggestions..
[16:15] <holstein> !contribute
[16:16] <holstein> akis: otherwise, we are volunteers here, and you should try and not expect anyone to have experience with other operating systems to provide you with support.. is your time in sync? if so, then, dont make a problem where there is not one.. my time is synced here
[16:16] <holstein> if you are "bothered" and want to make sure, use the server link i gave and set up manual ntp
[16:18] <akis> i am not feeling that a found a bug. i just discuss the "issue" in this chat and i am wondering if it is right to take the message that " Could not install package & The necessary applications to install the package could not be found". Thats all. We can live without sync, but is it right? or maybe we have sync but we are not sure for this?
[16:19] <holstein> akis: you are again assuming you do not have sync.. your time is synced.. and you didnt sync it.. correct?
[16:20] <akis> maybe we have to discuss about this next month. if the time it will be still sync, the system works find in the background
[16:20] <holstein> akis: did you sync the time? or did that just happen automatically for you?
[16:21] <akis> no you didnt understand. my time is sync, as far as i can compared with another system which is running 12.04. but when i am refering to time & date i see that it is enable the "manual" option. and that is the point
[16:21] <holstein> akis: let me ask you again.. did you sync the time manually? or did it automatically sync for you?
[16:22] <akis> although there is or should be an auto sync the system shows a manual option!
[16:22] <akis> no, no manual sync. auto sync.
[16:22] <holstein> akis: friend.. did you set your time?
[16:22] <akis> but still there a manual option under time & date. is it strange?
[16:23] <Quantibility> did Xubuntu recently update or ubuntu?
[16:23] <holstein> Quantibility: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:23] <akis> big NO. AUTO sync. sorry for caps!
[16:23] <Quantibility> has it recently updated?
[16:24] <Quantibility> cause im staring at it right now. but through Gui i can't up date.. says "not enough space" but, i can it do it perfectly fine though terminal
[16:24] <holstein> akis: so, lets not assume your time syncying is broken, but, that maybe we can hope that, by the same method that your time got automatically set, it will be automactially synced, as it is for me here.. if you want to file a wishlist bug for a change in the UI to reflect a setting for auto/manual syncing, use the !bug link i gave. .thanks
[16:25] <holstein> Quantibility: if you are on a supported version of ubuntu, upates come in regularly
[16:25] <Quantibility> ok. cool but, here's the issue now then.. re read above.
[16:25] <Quantibility> reerr Can do it perfectly fine through terminal.
[16:26] <Quantibility> im encrypted but ...? shoulnd matter right?
[16:26] <Quantibility> perhaps the file is to a smaller partition?
[16:26] <akis> ok. thanks for your support. i hope too that  it will be automactially synced althougt it set to "manually". If not maybe later we 'll discuss about it. thank you for your time today.
[16:27] <akis> any idea to fix this :  http://imgur.com/7BpGmyf ?
[16:27] <Quantibility> and in that case maby my first two updates or so went fine, then this... brb with pastie link somehting.
[16:29] <holstein> akis: you mean, you hope it *continues* to be automatically synced, as it has been already..
[16:29] <holstein> akis: fix for what?
[16:30] <akis> change icon for network "file system" which is blank or even better hide it
[16:31] <holstein> akis: what network file system is that?
[16:31] <Quantibility> Ahhhhhh
[16:32] <Quantibility> its refering to the /boot directory not /??
[16:32] <akis> i really dont know! thunar found it and shows it.
[16:32] <holstein> Quantibility: i would just open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get autoremove" ..then, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:32] <holstein> !paste
[16:32] <Quantibility> http://snag.gy/TKEYu.jpg
[16:32] <holstein> ^ share errors there, Quantibility if any
[16:33] <holstein> Quantibility: please close the software updater, and try what i suggested above, in the terminal
[16:33] <Quantibility> holstein ive done auto remove like a day or two ago because of this issue..
[16:33] <Quantibility> im not dumb with this OS anymore, im pretty proficient in it
[16:33] <holstein> Quantibility: ok.. please do it *again* and share errors
[16:34] <holstein> Quantibility: im not suggesting you are dumb in any way.. only volunteering support
[16:34] <Quantibility> lol holstein relax i know this, im being me, im not trying to argue with you. please take no offense to what i say.
[16:34] <Quantibility> im dumb in many other ways as you will learn.
[16:34] <akis> other file managers like dolphin (a very strong one) or PCmanFM can hide items or change icons. Can thunar do the same? i s there any way for that option? i dont want to use dolphin although in my opinion is the best FM in linux because i dont want to load KDE depencies on my newly installed system and make it heavier.
[16:35] <holstein> akis: if you prefer another file manager, i say, just use it.. no reason to fight with thunar if you prefer pcmanfm
[16:35] <Quantibility> i guess this is a coder issue then. am i right? or can a user change that directory in my screen shot which i will post again.
[16:35] <Quantibility> http://snag.gy/TKEYu.jpg
[16:36] <Quantibility> cause i have a few gigs of space on my hard drive.. and its asking megs
[16:36] <holstein> Quantibility: please close the software updater, open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[16:36] <Quantibility> then invoke the updater?
[16:36] <GridCube> Quantibility, open a terminal and run df -h
[16:36] <akis> i really prefer dolphin and i am using it for years since i run kubuntu.
[16:36] <holstein> Quantibility: no.. then, open a terminal, and run "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[16:37] <holstein> akis: i would just use dolphin then.. problem solved
[16:37] <GridCube> ^^^^^^
[16:37] <Quantibility> Holstein, GridCube has suggested something, i will do as you ask in a moment.. GridCube please explain a little bit more?
[16:38] <holstein> Quantibility: the command GridCube suggested list the free space
[16:38] <holstein> Quantibility: the command i list will remove the kernels from /boot
[16:38] <GridCube> df -h will show him what percentage of the drives are free, if he has a /boot partition then it will show how much space that partition has
[16:38] <GridCube> if he has not a /boot partition then the space in / is the space /boot can also use
[16:38] <Quantibility> and this is safe? lol alright right GridCube suggested an invesigational approach which i enjoy
[16:38] <akis> dolphin means KDE dependencies.
[16:39] <holstein> Quantibility: you should have backups regardless, since *all* hard drives will fail
[16:39] <Quantibility> guess thats the programmer aspect of me..
[16:39] <GridCube> then doing an autoremove and autoclean should delete useless kernels
[16:39] <Quantibility> your right, i have two external internals lol connected via usb.. lol
[16:39] <Quantibility> dont use them
[16:39] <Quantibility> i should
[16:40] <Quantibility> alright if this works im doing a back up
[16:40] <akis> and on the other hand is very interesting to solve a problem using a specific application and not to choose another although maybe is better.
[16:40] <Quantibility> becuase i believe i tried this before but i may have missed a step or too..  brb
[16:40] <holstein> Quantibility: no.. you *will* at some point.. when a drive does fail.. and you should backup *before* doing anything potentially dangerous
[16:40] <Quantibility> is what you suggested dangerous?
[16:41] <Quantibility> behonest im doing it anyway lol
[16:41] <GridCube> Quantibility, deleting old kernels is potentially dangerous to a low level
[16:41] <Quantibility> just wanna know if i should backup before i do so.
[16:41] <holstein> Quantibility: you should *always* research commands and know what is going on.. but, normal hard drive use breaks them.. so, that is, in a way, ultimately dangerous
[16:41] <holstein> Quantibility: you should have *already* backedup.. *all* drives fail
[16:41] <Quantibility> low is good enough for me.. brb
[16:41]  * GridCube seconds holstein
[16:42] <holstein> Quantibility: if you *never* address this problem, you should backup, since that data *will* be lost
[16:42] <Quantibility> yes hostein i believe iv f-ked the first disto up
[16:42] <holstein> Quantibility: that being said, the steps given above by GridCube and i are to clear out space and run updates
[16:42] <Quantibility> that how i f0ked the first distro up
[16:43] <holstein> !language
[16:44] <holstein> Quantibility: i leave now.. let GridCube know when you are ready to follow the expert volunteer advice he is offering..
[16:45] <Quantibility> ahhh
[16:50] <Quantibility> that went well, thank you both (hostein) though not present and GridCube
[16:50] <Quantibility> theres was an update to the latency driver
[16:56] <GridCube> :)
[17:22] <xubuntu293> Hello everyone! I am new to Ubuntu. I just installed it on an old Toshiba laptop model Satellite P105. All is well, except, my speakers dont work. I have checked the settings and performed the sound checks and nothing. If anyone out there could offer some help?
[17:22] <xubuntu293> PS: I dont know what kind of soundcard is in this machine. Thanks in advance
[17:24] <GridCube> xubuntu293, to know what sound card you have you can open a terminal and run, lspci | grep "Audio"
[17:26] <GridCube> xubuntu293, if that line says you have an audio device you can open pavucontrol, see if the device is activated on the last tab of the program
[17:26] <GridCube> sometimes sounds goest to "dummy" instead of proper speakers
[17:26] <GridCube> not usual, buti happens
[17:32] <xubuntu293> Thanks Grid
[17:33] <xubuntu293> Might take me a bit, I've been a do-do Windows user to now
[17:33] <xubuntu293> Thanks for the info
[17:39] <bobodredd> hey, is there any help out there on installing diablo 2 game on xubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[17:40] <xubuntu293> do I type " lspci | grep "audio" all together? and also how do I get to pavucontrol? Thanks
[17:40] <bobodredd> tried a bit of this and that, but nothing worked yet... thanks
[17:41] <GridCube> xubuntu293, yes, type >> lspci | grep "audio" <<
[17:42] <GridCube> and you can find pavucontrol either by typing "pavucontrol" on a terminal, or at the alt-f2 application launcer, or by clicking the speaker icon on the panel and going to settings
[17:42] <GridCube> bobodredd, have you read the appdb?
[17:42] <GridCube> !appdb
[17:43] <GridCube> bobodredd, ^
[17:49] <bobodredd> i believe the info there stands for different verisons of linux. on ubuntu forums i got a solution but its for plain ubuntu, and i can't get along with that
[17:49] <GridCube> at that level, is always the same
[17:50] <GridCube> also, wine should run it just fine automagically
[17:50] <bobodredd> okay, then just one question
[17:51] <bobodredd> do I have to mount the image inside the wine app, or on xubuntu interface?
[17:51] <bobodredd> *iso image
[17:52] <GridCube> bobodredd, theres an extensive guide on https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25602
[17:52] <GridCube> everything thats there should apply to you
[17:53] <bobodredd> thanks for your time, sir
[18:41] <void> hello
[18:41] <void> i need to put a domain user as admin
[19:23] <lullis> Hi, quick question: I just finally got to upgrade my xubuntu desktop from 13.10 to 14.04, and now I am not getting any indicators on the panel.
[19:23] <lullis> I have another machine with 14.04 installed from the iso, and this one had everything, no problem.
[19:24] <brainwash> lullis: try to (re)add the indicator panel plugin
[19:24] <mattxtn> In the Panel Prefs under Items is Indicator Plugin on the list?
[19:24] <mattxtn> If not hit add and bam.
[19:24] <lullis> THe indicator plugin I get mention Unity indicators, only.
[19:25] <lullis> And it gives me global menu and other crap I don't even remember how I got them.
[19:26] <holstein> lullis: i suggest experimenting with the guest account, or a live CD, so you know what is in the panel and what it does, and how to get them there
[19:27] <lullis> It could be...
[19:28] <lullis> But just to check... I (re)installed "xfce4-indicator-plugin", this is the one that should appear as available, right?
[19:28] <holstein> you mean, you re-added it? or actually reinstalled a package?
[19:29] <lullis> I reinstalled the package.
[19:30] <holstein> lullis: you shouldnt need to be doing any package management here
[19:31] <lullis> I know. I am just trying to figure out where it could've gone wrong.
[19:31] <lullis> I mean, when I was on 13.10 and I am reasonably sure I manually installed stuff from xfce 4.12, in order to get gtk3 indicators and the messaging menu.
[19:31] <holstein> lullis: maybe nowhere.. try the guest account, and see if all is normal.. try experiementing there, remove the panel item and put it back. note what panel item provides the functionality you seek
[19:32] <mattxtn> I'm still confused about the whole "Unity" part of that. -_-
[19:37] <rlullis> guest account also shows unity indicator plugin.
[19:37] <holstein> rlullis: unity?
[19:37] <holstein> rlullis: are you in xubuntu, or no?
[19:38] <holstein> rlullis: regardless, in the guest account, you can see that you are recieving indicators, so you can experiement with removing them, and adding them back
[19:40] <rlullis> Yes, this was a machine I installed 13.10 earlier in the year. When I installed I noticed the bug with no messaging menu and only gtk2 indicators. When I was looking for alternatives, I installed ubuntu-desktop and checked if the indicator-plugin from unity would give me the messaging menu.
[19:41] <rlullis> My solution at the time was to install xfce-panel from source, along with some gtk3 indicator panel. That worked.
[19:41] <holstein> rlullis: "the bug with no messaging menu".. what bug?
[19:41] <holstein> rlullis: you can check and see if 14.04 is providing you with the version of xfce you are needing
[19:41] <rlullis> Messaging menu was not available on xubuntu 13.04 and 13.10, iirc.
[19:42] <holstein> rlullis: what bug, friend.. what bug #?
[19:42] <rlullis> Oh, I will have to find that out.
[19:42] <holstein> rlullis: what messaging menu?
[19:43] <rlullis> "messaging menu", the envelope icon with notification from chat/email applications.
[19:43] <holstein> rlullis: that is not a feature of xfce, correct?
[19:44] <mattxtn> Did you install xfce on ubuntu or are you using xubuntu?
[19:44] <holstein> regardless, i would check and see that the version in 14.04 supports what you are trying to do
[19:45] <rlullis> mattxtn, couple of messages up: "installed xubuntu 13.10..."
[19:46] <rlullis> And yes, I have two other machines I cleanly installed 14.04 (no upgrade), and all the indicators are there, as well as messaging menu (the envelope) and sound menu (to control music applications)
[19:46] <holstein> rlullis: cleanly installed 14.04 xubuntu? no upgrade? what does that mean? no upgrade?
[19:47] <rlullis> "no upgrade" = clean install, from the latest 14.04 ISO.
[19:47] <mattxtn> rlullis: At one point you installed Unity to xubuntu?
[19:47] <holstein> rlullis: are you saying, you had 13.x installed, and built packages from scratch on it? and upgraded it? and its not working? but, it works in the guest account? if so, i would try creating a new user, and see if the new user works as expected, if so.. the issue would be, for me, in the current users account configs
[19:50] <rlullis> mattxtn, yes. It was still 13.10, xubuntu was broken in small ways that led me to check if unity could provide these things. So I installed unity, and it didn't solve the problem.
[19:50] <rlullis> holstein, it does NOT work in the guest account. It works in the sense that I get the unity indicators on the panel, which I do not want.
[19:51] <mattxtn> rlullis: So you completely removed Unity before upgrading to 14.04 or after?
[19:51] <rlullis> mattxtn, after.
[19:52] <rlullis> I understand that I have got a bunch of things tangled with this mix of xubuntu install/unity install/source install. what I am trying to figure out is how can I undo it.
[19:53] <rlullis> I imagined that the upgrade procedure would give at least the same packages I got from a clean 14.04 install.
[19:53] <mattxtn> All I can think of is that some of Unity is still there.
[19:54] <rlullis> That is for sure.
[19:56] <rlullis> But I would be happy if I could figure out why is it that I have a "xfce4-indicator-plugin" installed, and I am getting listed "this plugin provides an area for the Unity indicators".
[19:58] <mattxtn> Could you post a screenshot?
[20:02] <rlullis> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09012014-100050pm.php
[20:04] <mattxtn> Yeah that doesn't look familiar, this is mine.. http://i.imgur.com/AM3kFID.png
[20:05] <rlullis> Exactly. This is what I have in my "clean install" machines.
[20:06] <brainwash> the indicator plugin's job is to display the unity indicators
[20:06] <brainwash> like indicator-power
[20:06] <brainwash> or indicator-sound
[20:09] <rlullis> So perhaps it is just an issue of configuring this plugin?
[20:09] <Nectur> anyone know how i can fix screen tearing?
[20:10] <rlullis> Or taking a look at the .desktop files from the indicators themselves (OnlyShowIn=Unity for the indicators I don't want in the xfce panel)?
[20:10] <mattxtn> rlullis: If you open up Synaptic and type in unity then sort by installed how many items are installed?
[20:11] <rlullis> about 23...
[20:11] <mattxtn> I have 5, nothing to do with Unity tho.
[20:12] <rlullis> I just removed unity-control-panel-center...
[20:12] <rlullis> and they all went along.
[20:13] <mattxtn> That may help.
[20:15] <rlullis> Yeah, maybe I just need to get rid of the indicators I don't want.
[20:15] <mattxtn> Is it working the way you want to now?
[20:17] <rlullis> Funny, now am I getting a "no indicators" text along with the indicators that I set up to be visible.
[20:18] <mattxtn> Maybe you need to reinstall xfce-indicator-plugin
[20:18] <mattxtn> xfce4*
[20:19] <rlullis> I think this part is okay. Now is more about configuring the indicators themselves.
[20:20] <rlullis> Thanks for the help.
[20:21] <mattxtn> Welcome.
[20:58] <Nectur> maybe a simpler question:how come terminal appearance changes don'ttake effect
[22:33] <shisha> hilfe, wo ist die deutsche version wieder xD
[22:33] <Unit193> !de
[22:34] <shisha> ah ubuntu
[22:34] <shisha> kannst du mir denn topic von ubuntu geben?
[23:13] <toxinburn> hey i had a question i am installing the builduntu flavor of xubuntu right now and since this comp has 12gb of ram should i really need a swap the same size?
[23:13] <holstein> toxinburn: there is only xubuntu
[23:13] <toxinburn> well this is xubuntu but its been modded i got it from nathanpfry.com
[23:14] <holstein> toxinburn: i would get the official xubuntu.. i would read about swap and decide what your needs are.
[23:14] <holstein> toxinburn: its *not* xubuntu, or ubuntu
[23:14] <toxinburn> ya i have most say to make it same as ram
[23:14] <holstein> toxinburn: they mod it, and they support it.. we cant keep up with all the spin-offs like that.. its not an official flavor, or supported here
[23:15] <toxinburn> right well its still xubuntu anyways....and will be used primarily for rom builds on android devices
[23:15] <holstein> toxinburn: if i had 12gb's of ram, i would make like 4gb's of swap.. unless i had an ssd and wanted no swap.. otherwise, i would just let the installer decide and go with the defaults
[23:15] <holstein> toxinburn: its *not* xubuntu
[23:15] <holstein> toxinburn: if you want xubuntu, you should get xubuntu.. if its xubuntu that is modded, and its not xubuntu, and you didnt get it with the xubuntu iso.. its not xubuntu
[23:16] <holstein> toxinburn: the reason you may prefer xubuntu is the larger community of support.. otherwise, one may fit your needs more than the other
[23:20] <toxinburn> even on the iso when i start installing it calls itself xubuntu just so you know....everything looks the same so far not really sure what the real differences are yet from what i read is that is just comes preloaded with most of the things one would need for rom development
[23:21] <toxinburn> anyhow ill read up some more and see what i can find out
[23:21] <toxinburn> take care
[23:21] <holstein> toxinburn: friend, im not trying to be obtuse, i assure you.. but, thats not xubuntu
[23:21] <holstein> great...
[23:22] <mattxtn> I missed something.
[23:23]  * mattxtn giggles


[14:07] <MistrJ> hello, can some on help me ?
[14:08] <persia> MistrJ, With what sort of issue?
[14:09] <MistrJ> im wanna try to create a program for my mobile phone, but need to have j2me enviorment. but where/how can i get that ?
[14:13] <MistrJ> am i in the correct channel for this question?
[14:23] <persia> MistrJ, Well, it's not really the right channel, but I can't think of a better one.
[14:24] <persia> Unfortunately, in a quick look through available sources, I'm not sure how to get j2me installed on Ubuntu.
[14:24] <MistrJ> its not in synaptic
[14:24] <MistrJ> but i found good link on google so gonna try that now :)
[14:25] <persia> Good luck.
[14:25] <MistrJ> thx :)
[16:21] <MistrJ> persia: it works :D
[16:21] <persia> MistrJ, Just grabbing upstream and using that?  Excellent news.
[16:22] <MistrJ> grabbing upstream?
[16:23] <persia> OK.  To reduce confusion.  What worked?
[16:23] <MistrJ> creating a java program for my mobile phone
[16:24] <persia> Oh.  Cool!
[22:17] <mohbana> hello
[22:17] <mohbana> has anyone here built openjdk?
[22:24] <cody-somerville> I have
[22:26] <mohbana> cody-somerville: any particular article that you found helpful, also did you encounter any problems? presumably you're using 8.10 rhgt?
[22:26] <mohbana> right
[22:33] <mohbana> cody-somerville: ?
[22:36] <persia> mohbana, Does `debuild -b` not work for you?
[22:39] <mohbana> btw, anyone notice the difference between the font rendering?
[22:39] <mohbana> i need; http://quanli.googlepages.com/davidturner%27slcdcleartype-likepatchesandpackagesfordebiansid
[22:39] <mohbana> ideally, they should also compile the jdk with the same settings
[22:45] <mohbana> any recommended tutorials for building openjdk on ubuntu 8.10
[22:56] <persia> apt-get source opendjk && cd openjdk-* && debuild -b
[23:00] <mohbana> outdated i think
[23:07] <persia> Why?  Does it not work for you?


[06:12] <Kilos> good morning all
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning
[08:18] <Kilos> hi MooDoo
[08:21] <MooDoo> :D
[08:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:30] <Kilos> morning dholbach  dpm
[08:30] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[08:33] <dpm> hi Kilos
[08:36] <dholbach> dpm, maybe you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1434415/+merge/253844?
[08:40] <dpm> dholbach, I'll try, but I'm not sure I'll manage today. One thing that I've seen as a quick glance is that the !!T have moved in the .pot file from the comments part of the entry to the msgid part?
[08:41] <dholbach> I'll look into that separately
[08:41] <dpm> ok
[08:41] <dholbach> I noticed some small issues as well - they're probably all related and related to the path changes
[09:21] <Kilos> hi DarkCircle
[09:34] <DarkCircle> hi
[09:34] <DarkCircle> ;-)
[15:02] <Kilos> hi TaeheeJang  PabloRubianes  genii  CarlosNeyPastorR
[15:02] <PabloRubianes> hi Kilos
[15:04] <TaeheeJang> Kilos hi Kilos I'm a new leader of ubuntu korea loco team.
[15:04] <Kilos> cool TaeheeJang  nice to meet you. im in south africa
[15:04]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:04] <TaeheeJang> Wow nice to meet you!
[15:05] <PabloRubianes> I'm from Uruguay
[15:05] <PabloRubianes> quite far away every one :P
[15:05] <Kilos> nice to meet you too PabloRubianes
[15:05] <PabloRubianes> :)
[15:05] <Kilos> i think you voted for me?
[15:06] <PabloRubianes> in the membership board?
[15:06] <TaeheeJang> yes. nice to meet you PabloRubianes!
[15:06] <PabloRubianes> it could be
[15:06] <Kilos> yes
[15:06] <Kilos> ty for that
[15:06] <PabloRubianes> Kilos:no problem I'm sure you deserve it
[15:07] <Kilos> was very stressful that meeting whew
[15:08] <PabloRubianes> we try no to make them that way
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <PabloRubianes> but I remember mine was stressful to
[15:08] <PabloRubianes> too*


[04:52] <phunyguy> rww: lol, discuss by ops talking, and him not listening again?
[04:52] <phunyguy> ><
[05:14] <elky> so, he still hasn't figured out that he is _still_ doing the nickchanging thing he agreed to stop doing?
[06:19] <phunyguy> elky: it appears so.
[06:19] <phunyguy> elky: actually no.  He knows what he is doing.  That is the way I see it.
[06:20] <phunyguy> so, he has to sleep in that bed.... you know... the one he made for himself.
[08:56] <whac-a-retro> I'd like to discuss my inappropriate behavior in the Ubuntu channels.
[10:23] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu MHell reminded him to follow the guidelines. known troll from other channels
[10:31] <k1l_> MSHELL: hi, how can we help you?
[10:33] <MSHELL> why do ubuntu channels spread on this network like a virus?
[10:34] <Tm_T> MSHELL: awesomeness is contagious
[10:34] <popey> Good answer
[10:36] <MSHELL> bb
[10:36] <ikonia> hello MSHELL
[10:37] <MSHELL> hacking assholes
[11:03] <benonsoftware> Hiyas, just letting you know to possibly watch out for MSHELL. (Was on #ubuntu-youth and shouted something about it "nazi youth")
[11:03] <benonsoftware> Anyways, have a good day everyone. :)
[11:04] <Tm_T> benonsoftware: thanks, noticed him there (:
[11:04] <k1l_> benonsoftware: yes thanks we already know that problem user.
[11:04] <benonsoftware> Cool :)
[11:04]  * benonsoftware disappears
[11:53] <Pricey> I think I'll give them a /msg
[11:53] <Pricey> Ah, long gone, nevermind.
[12:44] <k1l_> never heard of ulatencyd. but it just proves that the "get more perfomance" things to break more stuff
[13:09] <k1l_> done
[13:50] <AlanBell> hi all
[13:51] <AlanBell> can someone with sudo access on ubottu run an apt-get dist-upgrade at some point, quite a few updates to pull
[13:51] <AlanBell> think that would be jussi or tsimpson
[13:52] <AlanBell> or rclark (who?)
[13:53] <AlanBell> rclark aka dendrobates
[14:46] <bazhang> "accidentally removed all the kernels"
[14:46] <bazhang> ruhroh
[16:44] <Pici> oops
[19:17] <Samurairm> HELLO I HAVE THE PROBLEM WHIT CAMSTUDIO
[19:17] <Samurairm> escusme
[19:17] <bazhang> Samurairm, not the right place
[19:17] <Samurairm> escuse me
[19:18] <Samurairm> this is the question gstreamr0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[19:18] <Samurairm> error
[19:18] <Pici> This is #ubuntu-ops, if you're looking for support please ask in #ubuntu
[19:18] <bazhang> Samurairm, this is not the correct channel for that
[19:19] <Samurairm> BUT?
[19:19] <k1l> Samurairm: you know this is not a support channel. and since you have issues to behave in other support irc channels what about you try askubuntu or ubuntuforums or mailinglists?
[19:19] <Samurairm> but
[19:19] <Samurairm> ops
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[20:12] <bazhang> thats annoying in the extreme
[20:15] <Pici> ask them to turn it off or leaev?
[20:17] <bazhang> did the first
[20:28] <bazhang> PrisonerofAfghan> hello everyone
[20:28] <bazhang> oy ve3y
[20:28] <bazhang> -3
[20:32] <genii> Heh. "<semitones> Hi it's me semitones!"
[21:04] <Pici> rww: around?
[21:05] <Pici> Anyone know if the retroispresto issue is resolved?
[21:06] <ikonia> not as far as I'm aware
[21:06] <ikonia> still banned as far as I can see
[21:07] <Pici> I see "discussed recent behavior, agreed to leave chu alone, stop changing nick, tone it down a bit in general " in the BT, but that was over 10 days ago, I thought I remembered seeing recent discussion of it here.
[21:08] <ikonia> that was an old ban
[21:08] <ikonia> he used two differnt nicks to continue his behaviour
[21:08] <ikonia> john something
[21:08] <ikonia> got banned from #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu #ubuntu-ops
[21:08] <ikonia> (I removed the #ubuntu-ops one to give him a chance to come back when he grew up)
[21:09] <ikonia> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?sess=f9fb5e71a279b06abd1810d3eb1200d9
[21:09] <Unit193> When he joined last night, he joined quite a few of the other channels from webchat.
[21:09] <ikonia> arse
[21:09] <Pici> ikonia: wrong link
[21:09] <ikonia> expire that session
[21:09] <ikonia> sorry]
[21:09] <ikonia> Pici: totally
[21:09] <ikonia> meant to do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:09] <phunyguy> yeah I am not aware of the newest ban being resolved
[21:09] <phunyguy> (retroispresto)
[21:09] <ikonia> that still in place on his old IP
[21:09] <phunyguy> so he is evading?
[21:09] <ikonia> probably why he's using web chat
[21:09] <ikonia> yes
[21:10] <ikonia> he was asked not to try to evade a day ago with his other nick
[21:10] <ikonia> someone either needs to sort it out with him or also ban the IP for webchat mask
[21:10] <phunyguy> I banned the webchat mask
[21:11] <ikonia> fair enough
[21:11] <phunyguy> He isn't really interested in resolving it.
[21:11] <ikonia> no, hence why he makes idiot comments like "I need help fixing the floor"
[21:11] <ikonia> and hit 4 other channels with the same attitude comaplining about #ubuntu after being banned
[21:12] <ikonia> I just don't see value in these guys using the channels until they participate rather than just act up
[21:12] <phunyguy> yeah.
[21:12] <ikonia> I believe he may have some medical requirements to stablising from one of the other conversations I've seen him have
[21:12] <ikonia> but it may be the wrong person
[21:13] <phunyguy> I can't remember.... but sounds familiar.  Either way, not a good fit for the channels right now.
[21:13] <phunyguy> He has mentioned medication recently so you may be correct
[21:14] <Unit193> ikonia: Set an IP ban and it'll work on hostname and webchat.
[21:14] <phunyguy> I thought that didn't work well on webchat
[21:14] <ikonia> Unit193: there is an IP ban on him already
[21:14] <phunyguy> ^
[21:14] <ikonia> ahh it's because it's on the DNS name for the IP
[21:14] <phunyguy> oh
[21:14] <ikonia> rather than the actual IP
[21:14] <Unit193> Right.
[21:14] <ikonia> so <IP_ADDRESS> is needed
[21:15] <phunyguy> so I am wrong?
[21:15] <ikonia> updated offtopic too
[21:15] <ikonia> phunyguy: I thought it was supposed to work but didn't see it work in this case
[21:16] <ikonia> however Unit193 is write the ban is not on the IP but the DNS host name of the IP
[21:16] <phunyguy> ikonia: no I mean that webhat and ip bans don't mix sometimes
[21:16] <ikonia> it just happens to contain the ip details in it
[21:16] <ikonia> easy to miss if not paying attention
[21:16] <ikonia> phunyguy: does work if you set the IP
[21:16] <phunyguy> okay...
[21:16] <ikonia> I've fell into this trap before
[21:16] <ikonia> be intersting to see if it works
[21:17] <ikonia> worth mentioning if he comes back
[21:17] <phunyguy> indeed
[21:17] <phunyguy> I just thought it was a known bug
[21:17] <ikonia> never seen that
[21:17] <phunyguy> could be wrong... been wrong many times before, and will be wrong many more times,  :)
[21:17] <ikonia> only time I've ever heard it fail is in the situation we've just discussed which is user error
[21:18] <phunyguy> I know the one I just set handles all webchats from them, whether it be freenode or kiwiirc, etc
[21:18] <phunyguy> because the ident is a hash of their IP
[21:18] <ikonia> yeah, thats a fair point too, but it won't get the other non-web chat stuff, but it is a fair point and may want to put it back
[21:19] <phunyguy> we will see if just the IP works first
[21:19] <phunyguy> no sense in wasting a ban slot if it works.
[21:19] <ikonia> be nicer if he'd get with the program a bit
[21:19] <ikonia> then all the bans on him could go
[21:19] <phunyguy> yep.  iirc he is very young also.
[21:19] <phunyguy> 16?
[21:19] <phunyguy> so he says
[21:19] <ikonia> no idea
[21:19] <ikonia> never seen an age on him
[21:21] <Unit193> phunyguy: It's nice because it also works through hostmasks.
[21:21] <Pici> Thanks for handling it, guys :)
[21:21] <phunyguy> Unit193: yeah I just remember hearing some rumblings about it not working well for webchat users.
[21:21] <Pici> Work is really distracting recently
[21:21] <phunyguy> that's all.
[21:22] <phunyguy> Pici: yeah blast that paycheck.
[21:22] <phunyguy> :P
[21:22] <phunyguy> how dare it get in the way of something that doesn't pay!
[21:22] <Pici> I know!
[21:40] <Pici> bazhang: looks like a distribution http://www.loculinux.org/
[23:33] <cherrypopper> hi guys i don't know what i did wrong
[23:33] <cherrypopper> i changed my nickname 3 times to accomodate people
[23:33] <cherrypopper> !ops
[23:33] <k1l> what about you trolling and insulting in pms?
[23:34] <cherrypopper> that's irrelevant
[23:34] <cherrypopper> that's not on the channel
[23:34] <cherrypopper> there's /ignore for that
[23:36] <k1l> if you think that you just proved that you dont suit into the ubuntu community.
[23:36] <k1l> now please leave. thanks
[23:36] <cherrypopper> now, i did nothing to break the guidelines
[23:36] <cherrypopper> you can't ban me because you don't like me
[23:36] <cherrypopper> idiot
[23:37] <hggdh> I agree with the ban
[23:37] <cherrypopper> hggdh: on what grounds?
[23:37] <k1l> first i didnt ban you on #ubuntu-offtopic. so you insulting me and stepping over the rules on #ubuntu didnt even touch the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:38] <k1l> now you still having offending nicknames and insulting me is again more proof that you dont fit with the ubuntu community. so please leave, the bans stay.
[23:39] <phunyguy> hi
[23:39] <cherrypopper> serously, how is this nick offensive?
[23:39] <phunyguy> I agree with it as well.
[23:40] <cherrypopper> what you need to do is man up and grow a pair of balls
[23:40] <phunyguy> cherrypopper: are you retroispresto?
[23:40] <cherrypopper> no, sorry
[23:40] <phunyguy> okay.
[23:40] <cherrypopper> sounds like a cool name though
[23:40] <phunyguy> if there is nothing else we can do for you, please /part the channel.
[23:41] <hggdh> cherrypopper: please leave the channel
[23:41] <cherrypopper> i'm not leaving until i get unbanned
[23:41] <cherrypopper> i did nothing to deserve the bans
[23:41] <phunyguy> or you can get banned here.
[23:41] <cherrypopper> i complied and changed my nicks
[23:41] <phunyguy> you may discuss with the ircc if you feel mistreated.
[23:41] <cherrypopper> what is that?
[23:41] <cherrypopper> link please
[23:42] <phunyguy> !appeal
[23:43] <phunyguy> also, you are not banned in #ubuntu-offtopic, unless you are referring to another IP/user.
[23:43] <phunyguy> you were simply removed.
[23:43] <cherrypopper> oh
[23:43] <cherrypopper> thanks guys
[23:43] <cherrypopper> you're nice
[23:44] <phunyguy> you were never banned, unless you are evading
[23:44] <cherrypopper> the other guy, k1l needs to grow a pair, but that's about it... later!
[23:44] <phunyguy> are you evading?
[23:44] <cherrypopper> i thought i was banned
[23:44] <cherrypopper> but i guess i was removed
[23:44] <cherrypopper> thanks a lot
[23:44] <phunyguy> definitely retroispresto.
[23:47] <hggdh> so now we wait...
[23:47] <icefactory> what the fuck
[23:48] <phunyguy> see?  right there.
[23:48] <icefactory> how was my other nick offensive???
[23:48] <phunyguy> you are not helping your cause.
[23:48] <hggdh> indeed. I was going to say 2 minutes, and I would have lost
[23:48] <icefactory> phunyguy: why did you ban me?
[23:49] <phunyguy> let's take a different approach.... why do YOU think I banned you?
[23:49] <hggdh> because you had been warned, and asked to change the nick to something else.


[13:49] <jelmer> cjwatson: is Launchpad on Python 3 now?
[13:50] <jelmer> ah, no - I'm reading that traceback wrong
[13:51] <jelmer> it looks like launchpad itself is python 2.7 but executing bzr using python 3
[13:52] <pappacena> jelmer, Launchpad's core project is still using python2.7. Some services around it are already using python3. Maybe you are reading traceback from buildd or lp-signing, for example.
[13:52] <jelmer> pappacena: yep, you're right
[13:52] <tomwardill> if it's in reference to https://bugs.launchpad.net/brz/+bug/1876948 then yeah, the buildd is py3 these days
[13:52] <jelmer> (context: http://pad.lv/1876948)
[13:52] <mup> Bug #1876948: bzr based snap builds with "base: core20" fail <Breezy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876948>
[14:06] <cjwatson> What they said :-)
[14:07] <cjwatson> But of course that's on different machines from the rest of Launchpad so there's no problem with it using a different Python version
[14:13] <cjwatson> jelmer: Hm, so I thought I'd looked at the new code and found no substantive change here, so I'm curious what the fix was
[14:13] <cjwatson> We'll have to work out what to SRU exactly
[14:14] <cjwatson> _ConnectRequest still has the read-only selector property in the latest code
[14:44] <cjwatson> jelmer: OK, I've confirmed that this is _not_ fixed in trunk.  Reproducer in the bug
[14:57] <jelmer> cjwatson: ah, sorry
[14:57] <jelmer> thanks for checking
[15:00] <jelmer> Ah, one of the NixOS folks reported it but then couldn't reproduce it with a new breezy
[15:01] <jelmer> (presumably because of different env variables)
[15:02] <cjwatson> Yeah, I think I ran across that NixOS thread somewhere


[04:32] <pankaj> I want to setup ftp server on ubuntu server but when I type "ifconfig" I get two interfaces enpls0 and lo. Where is eth0 or how do I congigure for my ftp server for an IP?
[04:35] <andol> pankaj: The short answer is that enpls0 likely is what you think of as eth0.
[04:35] <andol> pankaj: The long answer can be found at https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[04:36] <andol> Also, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[04:37] <pankaj> andol: Are both same? But, how can I get the IP address so that I can use for my local ftp services.
[04:43] <cpaelzer> good morning
[04:45] <cpaelzer> pankaj: it is just a different name than eth0
[04:45] <cpaelzer> pankaj: the link andol listed is good, it explains the backgrounds - but TL;DR where you'd had set eth0 (e.g. a grep or so) use the new name
[04:47] <pankaj> cpaelzer: You mean to look in 'interfaces' file and change enpls0 to eth0?
[04:50] <cpaelzer> pankaj: no I really not mean this
[04:50] <cpaelzer> pankaj: you had something in mind when you thought it would still be eth0
[04:50] <cpaelzer> like grepping for the interface name or callinth ethtool or whatever
[04:50] <cpaelzer> there, use the new name
[04:51] <cpaelzer> After the initial pain of adapting the new naming really is better IMHO
[16:52] <Jtremback[m]> hey, does ubuntu have any kind of declarative system config format
[16:52] <Jtremback[m]> I've been using LEDE and it's UCI system is really great
[16:53] <nacc> Jtremback[m]: no, I don't believe it does
[16:57] <Jtremback[m]> bummer
[17:56] <sarnold> Jtremback[m]: many things can be configured via debconf -- see debconf(7) -- but certainly not as many things as e.g. suse's yast can configure
[18:03] <Jtremback[m]> sarnold: thanks!
[18:04] <nacc> sarnold: but even debconf isn't quite so imperative -- it's at the package level, I assume. Rather than say 'service' level like UCI?
[18:04] <sarnold> nacc: no idea what uci is, but I'm going to go with 'yes' :)
[18:06] <nacc> sarnold: yeah, i did a cursory google based upon Jtremback[m]'s question -- it's the config manager for LEDE (I think)
[20:29] <hehehe>  :)


[01:39] <mmc> I want to submit to my PPA  2 packages  A and B. A is a build-dependency of B (also with a precise version), so B should be built only when A (with requested version) is built/available. For now, I have to either wait with dput B, or restart manually the build of B, after A is ready.  Is there any way to make this automatic?
[01:40] <lifeless> you could make a patch to launchpad
[02:04] <wgrant> mmc: Specify a versioned build dependency.
[02:05] <wgrant> Launchpad will retry it when it's available.
[02:05] <mmc> wgrant: I do that.   Ah, great.
[05:28] <doctormo> How can I test that my launchpad is authenticated with a user, or with Anon?
[05:33] <lifeless> where?
[05:33] <lifeless> also, #launchpad-dev is a better channel for such questions
[08:50] <bullgard4> Launchpad stinks. (Error ID: OOPS-1633C527)
[09:06] <noodles775> bullgard4: hrm, yes, there's a select statement taking way too long there. I'll check if the bugs guys are aware of this issue.
[09:07] <lifeless> bullgard4: looking
[09:07] <lifeless> thats a timeout on a bug filing page, right ?
[09:08] <lifeless> bullgard4: looks like a fti timeout, please try refreshing the page, it may work better a second time
[09:09] <noodles775> lifeless: out of intereste, how can you see that it looks like an fti timeout? (my initial thought was that it may have been related to load on the master - I don't see why the query should be using the master).
[09:09] <noodles775> s/intereste/interest
[09:09] <noodles775> Just because fti is being used in the query?
[09:10] <lifeless> noodles775: well, its a an fti query with a lot of parameters
[09:10] <lifeless> noodles775: and the fti query timed out
[09:10] <lifeless> 20 seconds in it alone
[09:11] <noodles775> Yep, I saw the 20seconds on that query, but didn't notice the number of fti params. Great, thanks.
[09:11] <lifeless> noodles775: its a query on bug and bugtask, with a subquery on teams
[09:12] <lifeless> teamparticipation is likely to fairly selective
[09:13] <lifeless> noodles775: that left fti - just a hunch
[09:15] <noodles775> Aha.
[09:24] <lifeless> I hope that makes sense, its possible its something else
[09:40] <bullgard4> Launchpad stinks. (Error ID: OOPS-1633M514)
[10:06] <Kangarooo> hello. already 30min one bug report is showing it will refresh every 10sec. it does refresh but 30min bug beeing worked?
[10:44] <Kangarooo> anybody alive? 1h already bug report refreshing every 10sec
[10:45] <spiv> Kangarooo: not sure what you mean?  Which bug report?
[10:47] <Kangarooo> spiv: its not jet reported. i got crash report i pressed upload and whn it was uploaded a FF tab opened with info Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will           refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete. But its already going 1h
[10:49] <spiv> Kangarooo: oh, I see.  That is unusually slow.
[10:50] <spiv> Hopefully someone from the bugs team will be around soon to help you, or maybe a losa can take a look.
[10:50] <spiv> It's normally only a minute or so.
[10:51] <spiv> Was it a very large set of attachments, do you know?
[10:58] <Kangarooo> spiv: it was 67 or 73 mb for full report..
[13:56] <cakofony> Is anyone familiar with the launchpadlib api??
[14:32] <maxb> cakofony: It's best to ask a more specific question, that's too general for most people to know whether they can help
[14:38] <cakofony> In launchpadlib, I try to get the number of people "print len(launchpad.people)" but it just gives me 50
[14:38] <cakofony> is there a way to get all of them?
[14:40] <maxb> I'm unsure if there's a way to count a collection without materializing it
[14:41] <cakofony> I can count the projects with "print len(launchpad.projects)" :-/
[14:41] <cakofony> How do I materialize the list of developers?
[14:44] <maxb> you wouldn't want to. Downloading every person object existing in launchpad would be infeasible
[14:45] <cakofony> Actually, I'm working on a project where our goal is to collect as much information as possible about all the projects on a forge, and their developers
[14:46] <cakofony> so I would end up using most of the information, and storage space isn't much of an issue.  Currently we are downloading 3 html pages for each project, and 1 for each developer (but we don't have a full list of the devs)
[14:48] <cakofony> If I can get this api to work with devs, then I wont have to download hundreds of thousands of html pages XD
[15:55] <deryck> jcastro, ping
[16:47] <fta> thekorn, did you have a chance to try my code (the ppa dashboards)? i've tried to cache a bunch of things, but even with that, it's still globally slow, even just login as anonymous takes several seconds
[19:10] <[Dmitry]> Hello. Rebuild the package on the lp. My system in update manager sees him inactive renewal. What does this mean?
[19:37] <MrKanister> Hi there. I've got a question regarding launchpadlib. I want to find out the version of a package in the latest Ubuntu release. How do I get there by using the launchpadlib starting from a source package or distribution object? From the API Doc this seems complicated.
[20:58] <geser> MrKanister: in the development release or the latest stable release?
[20:59] <MrKanister> geser: In the development release
[20:59] <MrKanister> basically I want to specify a release and a package name and like to get the version of the latest binary of that package
[21:13] <MrKanister> geser: I found it. It's the getPublishedBinaries method of an archive object and when I specify the distro-arch-series of a release, it gives me the package publishing entry I need.
[21:13] <MrKanister> but thanks, though
[21:13] <maxb> >>> print lp.distributions['ubuntu'].series[0].main_archive.getPublishedSources(source_name='watershed', exact_match=True, status='Published')[0].source_package_version
[21:14] <maxb> for example
[21:14] <maxb> 5
[21:14] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/+apidoc is your friend :-)
[21:15] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer_: ping
[21:19] <EdwinGrubbs> jelmer_: nm
[21:43] <MrKanister> maxb: Yes, I figured that out, thanks.
[21:43] <MrKanister> Anotehr little question: How can I get the source package name a binary package has been build from other than using "dpkg"
[21:44] <MrKanister> (If there is an API function I like to use it, but if not I am fine with "dpkg" :) )
[21:46] <lifeless> MrKanister: what are you starting with
[21:47] <MrKanister> lifeless: I have all information, but I could need the relation from source to binary
[21:47] <MrKanister> or did you mean what I am programming?
[21:50] <MrKanister> I am writing a small python app that takes a binary package name and searches bugs that have been fixed upstream and are now published in the development release by looking through git.gnome.org and parsing versions, tags and release dates
[21:51] <MrKanister> that way you don't have to dig trough them by hand and basically have a list of bugs that are in 90% of the cases really fixed
[22:02] <MrKanister> It's possible to get their via launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/libgtk2.0-0  --> link on the bottom, but their seems not to be a API function
[22:10] <bjf> getting a traceback when calling Launchpad.login_with() http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/453086/
[22:10] <bjf> this is on a new, headless server that i've never tried running launchpadlib on
[22:21] <geser> MrKanister: check if you can do it with python-apt to get from the binary name to the source package name
[22:22] <MrKanister> geser: I can do it with "dpkg-query -W -f='${Source}' BINARY-PACKAGE-NAME", but an API call would be very handy
[22:22] <MrKanister> geser: I am opening a feature bug report about this
[22:23] <lifeless> bjf: you probably need to copy a token file from a machine with a web browser.
[22:24] <bjf> lifeless, i copied my entire .cache tree from one, didn't seem to help
[23:23] <exarkun> I'm looking at a launchpad project page trying to figure out how I upload a release archive, and I can't figure it out.
[23:27] <exarkun> ... can anyone give me a hint about where that UI is?
[23:29] <james_w> exarkun: I think you have to do it from a release page
[23:29] <micahg> exarkun: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[23:30] <exarkun> I guess the trick that I missed is that first you have to create a series, and then a release.
[23:31] <exarkun> And a milestone.


[09:28] <voidspace> dimitern, ping
[09:28] <voidspace> dimitern, did you see my two branches? ericsnow reviewed them, so I'll try and land them later.
[09:28] <voidspace> dimitern, they're only short, so you may, or may not, want to look at them
[10:06] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks!
[10:16] <aznashwan> hey, could a couple of follow-ups on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1218, and, if you guys are really in the review spirit: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1330/
[10:49] <frankban> ocr, could you please take a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1383/ ? thanks!
[13:30] <cherylj> ericsnow: Can you ping me when you get a minute so we can talk about bug 1439447?
[13:30] <mup> Bug #1439447: tools download in cloud-init should not go through http[s]_proxy <cloud-installer> <landscape> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439447>
[14:02] <ericsnow> cherylj: OTP
[14:40] <ericsnow> cherylj: hangout?
[14:41] <cherylj> ericsnow: sure, let me get my headset on
[15:18] <alexisb> aznashwan, are those the centos support patches?
[15:32] <mup> Bug #1440097 was opened: unittest failure: apiserver/root_test.go:rootSuite.TestPingTimeout <ci> <juju-core:New> <juju-core 1.23:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440097>
[15:32] <alexisb> just so that folks know all of our scheduled all call reviewers are suppose to be on vacation today
[15:33] <jw4> woot - free for all
[15:35] <natefinch> or free for none ;)
[15:44] <mup> Bug #1440097 changed: unittest failure: apiserver/root_test.go:rootSuite.TestPingTimeout <ci> <juju-core:New> <juju-core 1.23:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440097>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1440097 was opened: unittest failure: apiserver/root_test.go:rootSuite.TestPingTimeout <ci> <juju-core:New> <juju-core 1.23:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440097>
[15:54] <jw4> natefinch: such a downer ;)
[15:54] <natefinch> jw4: I try :)
[16:01] <katco> jw4: hey, wanna rewrite the project in python?
[16:01] <katco> jw4: i bet we can do it before anyone gets back
[16:04] <mgz> katco: you tested the original v4 code against s3 right?
[16:04] <mgz> I think the rest of aws just does it differently
[16:04] <katco> mgz: yes, live tests and all
[16:05] <katco> mgz: except it's passing the amazon test suite just fine
[16:06] <mgz> the region name is different as you pointed out yesterday, and some other stuff
[16:06] <mgz> their test suite is apparently just not as tight as their real auth
[16:07] <katco> hehe possibly
[16:07] <mgz> I'm looking at boto/auth.py HmacAuthV4Handler vs S3HmacAuthV4Handler
[16:10] <katco> mgz: wwitzel3 said he had worked on boto quite a bit, he's peeking at the issue as well. what are the main diffs you're seeing?
[16:12] <mgz> it's slightly annoying as the classes are written differently,
[16:12] <mgz> but the headers that get signed is different, the region format, and some of the sequencing
[16:13] <mgz> S3 signs all headers, general only signs Host and X-Amz-*
[16:13] <jw4> katco: lol
[16:13] <katco> if the headers are present, you must sign them
[16:13] <jw4> katco: we might even get hazmat back if we do
[16:13] <katco> jw4: hehe
[16:14] <mgz> katco: for s3, everything but the Auth itself, yeah, but not in general
[16:14] <aznashwan> alexisb: sorry, got a little distracted with work
[16:14] <aznashwan> alexisb: yes, those are both the CentOS patches
[16:14] <hazmat> katco: i'm listening ;-)
[16:14] <katco> mgz: no, i mean the algorithm requires that. you can't optionally sign headers; i don't think that's a mutable property of the algorithm based on which service
[16:14] <katco> hazmat: haha o/ :)
[16:15] <alexisb> aznashwan, ok, I have had a few folks comment re those patches, I am thinking we may need to do some pair reviewing when we are all in germany
[16:15] <mgz> S3 also doesn't do url path normalisation, whereas the other does
[16:16] <katco> mgz: i don't think we're doing that at all
[16:17] <mgz> which can me something as dumb as trailing slash would break it maybe
[16:17] <aznashwan> alexisb: we have slowly come to terms with the fact that those PR's won't get in until the sprint; but I still like to hope beyond hope :D
[16:17] <katco> mgz: yeah
[16:18] <mgz> like, our failed one was going a GET with a path
[16:19] <mgz> the one that worked was post to root and form-encode body
[16:19] <mgz> so it could be something as dumb as bad path
[16:19] <alexisb> aznashwan, the alternative is to have you break everything down as requested
[16:19] <mgz> katco: but you probably are going to need two versions to keep s3 working at the same time as fixing this
[16:23] <aznashwan> alexisb: as mentioned, the refactor, added CentOS userdata and package management changes are so inter-dependent that breaking them up would take a tone of re-work, writing temporary code which only gets overwritten in the following PR, and triple/quadruple the pain of maintaining the PR's rebased unto master
[16:24] <katco> awesome, my robot vacuum cleaner just unplugged my computer
[16:25] <katco> IoT ftw
[16:26] <mgz> ehehe
[16:26] <mgz> rise of the downtrodden robots!
[16:26] <katco> i definitely kicked it
[16:28] <aznashwan> alexisb: that would add an overall delay of at least a month whilst the PR as is now is merge-able with the exception of a handful of tests which are still not CentOS-ready
[16:28] <katco> this is when you discover the temporary work you were doing in /tmp is less temporary than you would have liked.
[16:28] <aznashwan> (...which we are working on as we speak)
[16:29] <natefinch> gah, stupid f'ing machiner... I don't know how the hell you're supposed to use this thing.  It hides everything under too many layers of abstraction.
[16:30] <alexisb> aznashwan, then I suggest we plan to have a dynamic review session in person
[16:32] <aznashwan> alexisb: would not be too bad if it comes to that. I would insist to still get a review here-and-there in the mean time so we get the small stuff ironed out before the sprint so we focus on the bigger picture there.
[17:04] <katco> mgz: i think i found the problem
[17:05] <katco> mgz: i vaguely recall removing default paths "/" from the canonical request string for S3 b/c that was causing an issue
[17:05] <katco> mgz: it looks like adding that in gets me a result
[17:06] <mgz> katco: ha, was paths :)
[17:06] <katco> mgz: i tip my hat to you, sir
[17:06] <mgz> :D
[17:06] <katco> mgz: and i then slap aws's collective faces with it.
[17:06] <katco> mgz: what an undocumented mess
[17:09] <katco> mgz: https://github.com/go-amz/amz/commit/3431a6c7dea296878e5efa2681e85e0b1a2f5a27#diff-5f72c79adc6ba80e9d4d6cf78433008eL151
[18:08] <katco> mgz: feel like a review? https://github.com/go-amz/amz/pull/47
[18:08] <mgz> katco: surething
[18:11] <katco> ah foo i broke a signing test. those things are so fragile
[18:11] <mgz> yeah, was wondering if more tests would need changing
[18:11] <katco> nah it's just a space
[18:12] <mgz> so if it works with s3 and ec2, I think this is basically good to go
[18:12] <mgz> this isn't super-robust, callers can still pass in stuff that will mess this up I'm pretty sure
[18:13] <katco> mgz: i think we're still broke on relative paths "/../.." or something
[18:13] <mgz> and I don't like the date-magic
[18:13] <katco> date magic?
[18:13] <mgz> katco: yeah, and probably double slashes as well
[18:13] <katco> yeah those tests fail
[18:13] <mgz> the pass in a x-amz-timestamp in nay random format and get it back out the right way code
[18:14] <mgz> I'd prefer we just demanded a sensible time object in the interface or something
[18:14] <katco> well, smallest change possible.
[18:14] <mgz> but that's not something that really needs changing right now
[18:14] <katco> right
[18:14] <mgz> right, I agree
[18:14] <katco> repushed with test fix
[18:14] <katco> just added some spaces
[18:16] <mgz> katco: lgtm
[18:17] <katco> mgz: do we have this behind a bot yet?
[18:19] <mgz> katco: it's got a funny pre-merge check thing instead, which passed
[18:21] <katco> mgz: ok, so merge manually?
[18:22] <mgz> yeah, oh, travis runs against both go 1.2 and go 1.4, interesting
[18:22] <mgz> only the unit tests obviously but fine
[18:43] <cherylj> natefinch: I heard you had some thoughts about bug 1439447.  Don't know if you wanted to weigh in before I make any code changes...
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1439447: tools download in cloud-init should not go through http[s]_proxy <cloud-installer> <landscape> <juju-core:In Progress by cherylj> <juju-core 1.23:In Progress by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439447>
[18:53] <katco> mgz: so i'm trying to test this in 1.23
[18:54] <katco> mgz: and when i bootstrap i get a bootstrap failure
[18:54] <natefinch> cherylj: my thought was basically that we should have a configuration that lets the user decide whether juju uses the proxy to connect to other machines in the environment or not.
[18:54] <mgz> katco: as in, the machine doesn't come up?
[18:54] <katco> mgz: "ERROR failed to bootstrap environment: Juju cannot bootstrap because no tools are available for your environment."
[18:54] <mgz> katco: with --upload-tools?
[18:54] <natefinch> cherylj: since it seems to me that it's likely that no matter which way we decide to do it, someone's going to want it to work the other way
[18:54] <cherylj> natefinch: ha, too true
[18:55] <katco> mgz: i knew it was something dumb
[18:56] <katco> cherylj: looking forward to charming at the sprint. it would be nice if i actually got to work WITH juju more, and not just ON it :)
[18:56] <cherylj> katco: me too!  It should be fun and I think alexisb is working on some actual prizes for the teams :D
[18:58] <mgz> katco: ...that's just begging for a cheesy joke
[18:58] <mgz> why do all the things we work with have silly names
[18:58] <katco> mgz: please proceed :)
[18:59] <mgz> well, you're clearly charming already?
[18:59] <katco> LOLOLOLOL
[18:59] <katco> 10 points england.
[19:01] <katco> mgz: (et. al.) http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1386/
[19:02] <katco> mgz: and it would be super awesome if you could try china again
[19:03] <katco> 1 line change btw
[19:03] <redelmann> hi, is safe to deploy block-storage-broker to machine0??
[19:03] <mgz> katco: lgtm, how to the multiple branches with go-amz work? change also needs to land on v4-unstable, or does v3 get merged up periodically?
[19:04] <redelmann> create one instance just to manage credential is overkilling
[19:04] <katco> mgz: i think dimiter merges changes to v3 up to v4 occasionally
[19:04] <mgz> katco: I'll merge that locally and see
[19:04] <katco> mgz: i don't know why we branch an unstable before we have unstable changes actually
[19:04] <katco> mgz: seems like it creates a lot of work
[19:04] <mgz> discourage people from landing features on an active verion I'm guessing
[19:04] <mgz> er... s/active/stable/
[19:06] <mgz> redelmann: that may be a better question for #juju - but gernally feel free to smoosh till something actually breaks
[19:06] <redelmann> mgz, thank!!
[19:07] <katco> mgz: and trunk: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1388/
[19:14] <mgz> whoops, used wrong key
[19:14] <mgz> well, it bootstrapped till the ssh step
[19:15] <katco> :)
[19:27] <katco> mgz: can i get a rq lgtm on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1388/?
[19:27] <mgz> I was trying to make sure it works first, but this ssh step hates me ;_;
[19:27] <katco> oh, no worries then
[19:27] <katco> take your time
[19:28] <mgz> I can ssh into the address fine, but juju refuses to for some reason
[19:28] <katco> weird...
[19:28] <mgz> but prints stuff out the first time I do on another console? bootstrap is too darn complicated these days
[19:29] <natefinch> these days? :)
[19:30] <mgz> get off my lawn!
[19:30] <natefinch> haha
[19:30] <mgz> okay, now it's running
[19:30] <katco> haha
[19:30] <mgz> I have no idea what was happening there
[19:31] <mgz> katco: so, basically, api queries do now work
[19:31] <mgz> and my china bootstrap is happily installing packages currently
[19:31] <katco> o/ <--- tiny lighter you can't see
[19:31] <natefinch> haha... I spent all day trying to debug an api connection problem and somehow forgot to look at the log for machine 0..... where it was evidently filling up with panics :/
[19:31] <mgz> stamped the trunk dep update too
[19:32] <mgz> joy
[19:32] <katco> mgz: so to sum things up
[19:32] <katco> mgz: i finally accomplished the first task i was given when i started canonical.
[19:32] <katco> mgz: and it only took me about a year. :)
[19:33] <mgz> https://pastebin.canonical.com/128953
[19:34] <katco> woohoo!
[19:34] <katco> that is great to see! :D
[19:35] <mgz> hey, getting it done is getting it done :)
[19:40] <mgz> katco: when the 1.23 branch goes through, I'll take the deb and set up a cloud-health job for the china region, hopefully later tonight
[19:40] <katco> mgz: :D
[19:41] <mgz> natefinch: juju running on az-cn is something we can talk about publically right (slightly late, wtv)
[19:42] <natefinch> dhah
[19:42] <natefinch> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:43] <natefinch> honestly no clue
[19:53] <alexisb> all, I have to go pick up kiddo realy from grandma's today, so I am will be out until james gets back from work
[19:53] <alexisb> so everyone have a very happy holiday weekend!
[19:58] <katco> alexisb: tc!
[19:58] <katco> alexisb: habe a great weekend
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1440199 was opened: api/uniter: Panic: stateSuite.TearDownTest <ci> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440199>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1440205 was opened: cmd/juju: PANIC: addrelation_test.go:11: SetUpTest.pN39_github_com_juju_juju_cmd_juju.UserSuite <ci> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440205>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1440209 was opened: juju action do doesn't accept non-string params on command line <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440209>
[21:24] <mup> Bug #1440213 was opened: worker/uniter: TestLeadership.pN51_github_com_juju_juju_worker_uniter_test.UniterSuite <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440213>
[21:30] <ericsnow> cmars: you have a minute to look over http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1380/?
[21:31] <ericsnow> cmars: I've switched it over to YAML and am using the new cmd.FileVar.Open method
[21:36] <mup> Bug #1440213 changed: worker/uniter: TestLeadership.pN51_github_com_juju_juju_worker_uniter_test.UniterSuite <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440213>
[21:48] <mup> Bug #1440213 was opened: worker/uniter: TestLeadership.pN51_github_com_juju_juju_worker_uniter_test.UniterSuite <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440213>
[21:48] <mup> Bug #1440219 was opened: worker/uniter:TestLeadership.pN51_github_com_juju_juju_worker_uniter_test.UniterSuite <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440219>