[00:47] <shauno> curious.  what'd cause 'load' to go through the roof with idle procs
[00:51] <penguin42> shauno: IO
[00:51] <penguin42> shauno: Load is the number of processes that would like to run, irrespective of what's stopping them doing that
[00:51] <penguin42> shauno: So a bunch of processes that would like to run but blocked on disk will cause the load to spike
[00:52] <shauno> I think I have disk issues.  that's why the process table was confusing me
[00:52] <penguin42> yeh, that would do it
[00:53] <shauno> just spotted a disturbing amount of this in my logs; http://paste.ubuntu.com/9584865/
[00:53] <penguin42> shauno: Merry xmas
[00:53] <shauno> :)
[00:54] <shauno> well the good news is I just need to shove a ticket in for it
[00:54] <penguin42> shauno: That's definitely a bad disk, it's actually saying medium error as opposed to anything else
[00:54] <shauno> right
[00:55] <shauno> luckily it's a paired mirror, so it'll only be "inconvenient"
[00:55] <penguin42> sure, if the other one keeps it's end of the bargain
[01:00] <daftykins> shauno: smartctl -a /dev/sdx ?
[01:00] <daftykins> oh it's RAID
[01:00] <daftykins> sorry i'm pretty drunk.
[01:00] <daftykins> :)
[01:07] <shauno> yeah I was just looking at that.  smart's happy with the drive
[01:07] <daftykins> may i see?
[01:07] <daftykins> i'm kind of a hard disk killer XD
[01:08] <shauno> heh
[01:08] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9584929/
[01:17] <daftykins> ah friggin' seagates are evil to read SMART data of :>
[01:17] <daftykins> 6736 reallocated sectors sir? that puppy is toast
[01:18] <daftykins> line 67
[01:20] <daftykins> shauno: she's dead, jim!
[01:21] <shauno> yeah, I already put a ticket in
[01:21] <daftykins> ah, hosted box?
[01:22] <shauno> yeah, hetzner
[01:23] <daftykins> good lord, i've been out drinking for 13 hours
[01:24] <daftykins> a mates back over from Australia, for a local version of his engagement party
[01:28] <diddledan> those error rates look scary (I have no idea whether they're nominal or not, but big numbers scare me anyway)
[01:29] <daftykins> seagate are unfortunately ass-backwards when it comes to SMART data, so those big numbers for error rates are actually fine =|
[01:29] <diddledan> -_-
[01:29] <daftykins> but they also can show up as huge values when a disk truly is wonky
[01:29] <daftykins> so yeah, i </3 Seagate
[01:30] <diddledan> this is hours?<PHONE_NUMBER>40336
[01:30] <diddledan> that's from total head flying hours
[01:30] <daftykins> diddledan: !
[01:30] <daftykins> diddledan: I'M FLYING!
[01:30] <daftykins> sorry.
[01:30] <diddledan> daftykins, no, you're high
[01:30] <diddledan> daftykins, don't jump out the window!
[01:31] <daftykins> it's ok i'm only on the first floor
[01:31] <daftykins> also, don't do drugs and stay in school
[01:31] <diddledan> \o/
[04:23] <shauno> uff, rebuilding 3TB ..
[06:45] <mapito> another day done
[06:45] <mapito> ;]
[10:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:17] <knightwise> morning everyon e
[11:17] <popey> yo
[11:18] <popey> knightwise: you bought a chromebook recently? which one?
[11:26] <knightwise> Hey popey ,
[11:27] <knightwise> the Acer C730 (chromebook 11à
[11:27] <knightwise> got it yesterday. (working on it right now)
[11:31] <knightwise> but , popey , its a cute little device for the small amount of money you pay for it.
[11:49] <popey> knightwise: is your main laptop broken?
[11:50] <popey> whats the motivation for using a chromebook?
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> cheap? not paying windows tax? ssd from get go? happier with netbooks?
[11:51] <knightwise> popey: no , I just wanted to play around with it a little bit.
[11:52] <popey> zmoylan-pi: I mean, if you already have a laptop.
[11:52] <hamitron> chrome is shiney
[11:52] <knightwise> I need to do a workshop on cloud computing in a couple of weeks and since Chrome has been a great help in my 'cross platform workflow' I also wanted to play with the chromebook too
[11:52] <popey> chromebooks worry me.
[11:53] <knightwise> And its a handy cheap machine to chuck into my bag when I go out. (i have a 15 inch mbp that is just too expensive)
[11:53] <popey> vendor lock in just like windows + microsoft office
[11:53] <knightwise> popey: True, its a little bit of a lock in , but there are plenty 'non google' web services you can work with
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> my ancient netbook is starting to make funny sounds on startup so may be on way out.  looking at chromebooks in argos they look nice but thanks to windows panic over them their seem to be netbooks again so might go for one of those instead.  but that's because i prefer hd over ssd
[11:53] <hamitron> more so tbh, at least with windows you can install libreoffice
[11:53] <knightwise> (owncloud , shellinabox, etc)
[11:53] <popey> its still chrome though
[11:54] <popey> google ID
[11:54] <knightwise> popey: true.
[11:54] <knightwise> although you can use the device in Guest mode
[11:54] <popey> doesn't save though?
[11:54] <popey> and not what most people will do
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> you can run crouton on chromebook but every time you boot you have to select developer mode which would annoy me
[11:54] <knightwise> true .. but giving up their freedom is their choice
[11:55] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: you can also dual boot ubuntu on most chromebooks (see Acer 720)
[11:55] <popey> right, but people in the free software community seem to be promoting chromebooks a lot
[11:55] <knightwise> btw : Microsoft will be coming out with similar laptops with 8.1 at the same pricerange
[11:55] <popey> they already did
[11:55] <popey> HP have one
[11:55] <zmoylan-pi> the chromebooks have a zen minimalism about them :-)
[11:55] <popey> they do
[11:55] <popey> they're rather nice devices
[11:55] <knightwise> saw an 11 inch Toshiba I5 for 250 euros with 'microsoft 8.1 with bing' yesterday
[11:55] <popey> some of them
[11:56] <knightwise> next year is going to be very interesting
[11:56] <popey> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/hps-fanless-2-2-pound-laptop-includes-broadwell-and-a-2560x1440-screen/
[11:56] <knightwise> True , I like the simplicity of the OS.
[11:56] <hamitron> this still tempts me: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191398987339?_trksid=e100084.m1843&_trkparms=clkid%3D2473023964625320656&_qi=RTM1967670#lo-descr
[11:56] <popey> thats a nice device
[11:56] <knightwise> I'm just finishing up my 'first impressions' article, i'll post it a little later today
[11:57] <penguin42> popey: Oh that's nice
[11:57] <popey> I can't imagine that microsoft tablet will ever get any software updates
[11:58] <popey> I may be wrong
[11:58] <popey> same for other intel based android tablets
[11:58] <popey> they're made to a very low price point, get them out the door and forget about them
[11:58] <popey> see also:- Hudl2
[11:58] <foobarry> does cyanogen support hudl2?
[11:58] <foobarry> or intel chips
[11:58] <popey> dont think so
[11:58] <directhex> intel windows tablets just get windowsupdate
[11:58] <foobarry> meh
[11:58] <penguin42> popey: They've got a chance of getting updates; it should be a lot less hastle to do the updates for them than ARM
[11:58] <hamitron> popey, but that is a throwaway priced device
[11:58] <hamitron> ;)
[11:59] <popey> penguin42: sadly not the case
[11:59] <popey> the intel bits are needed
[11:59] <penguin42> popey: Why?
[11:59] <popey> also, powervr
[11:59] <penguin42> popey: Yeh I know they have powervr, but what else?
[11:59] <knightwise> popey: Acer is bringing out the Iconia W8
[11:59] <popey> there is some faff with the boot sequence
[11:59] <knightwise> an 8 inch tablet with Windows 8.1 for 150 euros
[11:59] <popey> i dont know the details, but AIUI it's not straightforward
[11:59] <penguin42> popey: Hmm annoying
[12:00] <popey> I'd be interested in AOSP on my hudl2
[12:00] <directhex> do we even have root on hudl2 yet?
[12:00] <directhex> or bootloader access?
[12:00] <penguin42> popey: But still, the kernel mods for it should be a lot smaller than for an Android tablet
[12:01] <popey> directhex: http://www.modaco.com/topic/373642-how-to-root-your-hudl-2/page-12
[12:01] <popey> looong thread about it
[12:01] <popey> but yes, he did I think
[12:02] <directhex> is it dependable? last thread i saw was brick city
[12:02] <foobarry> bet that tablet has poor battery life
[12:02] <popey> yes, thats the only thread I've seen
[12:02] <popey> the hudl2 isnt bad
[12:02] <popey> 7-9 hours
[12:02] <foobarry> i'm loking at the ebay one
[12:02] <popey> right
[12:02] <foobarry> ebay tablets are gernally bad news
[12:02] <popey> I'd imagine they're all similar
[12:03] <popey> dont buy it from ebay ☻
[12:03] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/664723-linx-7-windows-8-tablet-pc-linx7
[12:03] <directhex> they're everywhere
[12:04] <directhex> amazon had one in an xbox bundle
[12:04] <directhex> afaik they're cheap at staples
[12:04] <popey> that'll end soon I believe
[12:04] <popey> Intel ending their subsidy of baytrail tablets
[12:04] <directhex> http://www.staples.co.uk/tablets/cbs/428369.html
[12:05] <popey> I doubt the hudl2 will ever see lollipop
[12:05] <popey> Tesco don't really care, they're box-shifters
[12:05] <knightwise> http://knightwise.com/the-acer-c730-chromebook-first-impressions/
[12:06] <knightwise> the review is live :)
[12:06] <popey> knightwise: that link is duff
[12:06] <popey> (at the bottom of the article)
[12:06] <hamitron> I just wish my nexus 7 worked better
[12:06] <hamitron> :/
[12:06] <popey> you copy/pasted a google link
[12:06] <popey> hamitron: 2012?
[12:06] <hamitron> yeh
[12:06] <popey> I use mine all day every day
[12:06] <popey> it's the second screen on my desk
[12:07] <popey> it sits showing irssinotifier and pings me when I get email/tweet etc
[12:07] <hamitron> I just find the wifi not as good as my phone
[12:07] <popey> oh, not seen that
[12:07] <hamitron> youtube always buffers and stuff
[12:07] <ali1234> my 2012 got really slow
[12:07] <ali1234> and crashy
[12:07] <popey> yeah, mine is quite slow
[12:07] <foobarry> my tablet is horrendously slow
[12:07] <foobarry> and my wifes samsung
[12:08] <ali1234> it's sad, it was really fast when new
[12:08] <popey> i wiped and flashed lollipop on it, now it's slower
[12:08] <foobarry> i factory reset the samsung, still slow
[12:08] <popey> the 2012 nexus 7 has a known io issue
[12:08] <ali1234> i hve not upgraded to lollipop but all the apps updated individually
[12:08] <foobarry> low ram i think is an issue
[12:09] <ali1234> i wiped cache partition and it helped a little bit
[12:09] <foobarry> my wife does play some high ram games, but my tablet is just slooow all the time
[12:09] <hamitron> I think my issues started when I upgraded to 4.4
[12:09] <ali1234> yep same here
[12:09] <foobarry> i wish android was adminable like linux
[12:09] <popey> which one does your wife have foobarry ?
[12:10] <popey> my hudl2 is my "main" tablet now.
[12:10] <foobarry> galaxy tab 10.1 popey
[12:10] <popey> obv being the newest, it's the fastest
[12:10] <popey> but I love the screen size
[12:11] <ali1234> i think i would actually like ubuntu touch on a tablet
[12:11] <foobarry> i still have the touchpad hp
[12:11] <ali1234> i wouldn't "touch" it for phone or desktop obv. :)
[12:12] <hamitron> I'm tempted to try a stripped down android firmware
[12:13] <hamitron> but never have the time
[12:13] <foobarry> glaxy tab 10.1 has a weird defect where the screen shows an oily patch after a while
[12:13] <hamitron> :/
[12:13] <foobarry> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/369772/samsung-galaxy-tab-screens-marred-by-oil-slick
[13:04] <popey> http://n1.nokia.com/en looks nice
[13:04] <popey> another intel based tablet - apparently shipping with lollipop
[13:06] <popey> might mean other tablets can get lollipop once that ships
[13:09] <hamitron> I still can't get the hang of the interface on android
[13:09] <hamitron> think I've used windows 8 and wp7/8 too long
[13:12] <popey> I've not used Windows 8 or Windows phone at all
[13:12] <popey> other than grabbing someone elses windows phone and swiping around a bit
[13:14] <hamitron> right now I'll use anything really
[13:14] <hamitron> main things holding me back are knowing what is happening at work (talk of us getting iphones)
[13:14] <hamitron> and wanting a dual sim phone
[13:15] <ali1234> get a moto g
[13:15] <ali1234> they are super cheap, reasonably good, android 5.0, and dual sim
[13:16] <hamitron> torn between lumia 630, moto g and Sparkle V
[13:16] <hamitron> if I personally choose
[13:17] <hamitron> suspect work are going to force me to use an iphone 4s
[13:17] <ali1234> seems like an easy choice to me
[13:17] <hamitron> my favourite is the lumia 630
[13:17] <hamitron> ;)
[13:18] <hamitron> but mostly because I use a lumia 710 and lumia 520 right now
[13:19] <hamitron> that android one program sounds interesting
[13:21] <ali1234> i've never heard of sparkle V but the name sounds a bit lame
[13:21] <hamitron> haha, yeh
[13:21] <hamitron> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karbonn-Sparkle-Android-SIM-Free-Smartphone-Red/dp/B00PH3RPR6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419087533&sr=8-1&keywords=android+one
[13:21] <ali1234> get the moto g instead of that it has much better specs
[13:21] <popey> iphone 4s is getting a bit crusty
[13:22] <hamitron> popey, yeh :/
[13:23] <ali1234> http://www.gsmarena.com/karbonn_sparkle_v-6687.php http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_dual_sim_%282014%29-6648.php
[13:23] <popey> surprised if a company is dishing those out
[13:23] <popey> hand-me-downs?
[13:24] <hamitron> popey, site manager is looking at getting re-furbs
[13:24] <hamitron> :/
[13:24] <popey> i have a 4s I rarely use now, its a bit slow
[13:24] <hamitron> problem is, my school uses some software that is iOS only
[13:24] <popey> mind you mine has ios 8 on
[13:25] <popey> but it runs out of RAM very quickly and kills off apps
[13:25] <hamitron> oh dear
[13:25] <popey> so when you switch apps it's always re-starting them
[13:25] <popey> wifey has a 4, and hers is even slower
[13:26] <hamitron> they still cost £120
[13:26] <ali1234> iOS sends the suspend signal and then kills the app if it doesn't suspend in a certain time
[13:26] <hamitron> waste of money imo
[13:26] <popey> yeah, apple stuff holds its value
[13:26] <popey> 10 mins I think?
[13:26] <ali1234> no, more like 10 ms
[13:26] <ali1234> that's why apps are getting killed when you switch
[13:26] <popey> oh, i thought apps got an exception and could run longer
[13:26] <ali1234> if they don't respond fast enough they are toast
[13:26] <popey> like dropbox
[13:27] <popey> thats something separate
[13:27] <ali1234> perhaps if they specifically request it
[13:27] <popey> yeah
[13:27] <popey> for doing background uploads etc
[13:29] <ali1234> apparently it's 5 seconds, still could cause some apps to die if they are really slow
[13:29] <hamitron> so is this the correct moto g? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-5-Inch-SIM-Free-Smartphone-XT1068/dp/B00NBSZ56C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419168007&sr=8-1&keywords=moto+g
[13:29] <ali1234> 2nd gen dual sim? yeah looks like it
[13:30] <ali1234> there is also a 4G version but it does not have dual sim
[13:30] <ali1234> and there are also two 1st gen version which you don't want
[13:30] <hamitron> k
[13:30] <hamitron> well, dual sim is the biggest factor
[13:30] <hamitron> plus new ofc
[13:30] <hamitron> :)
[13:31] <hamitron> and working
[13:31] <hamitron> ;)
[13:51] <foobarry> i got a moto g and the only thing i wish i knew was that new android doesn't let you go under 500mb free
[13:51] <foobarry> i would have got a 16gb otherwise
[14:00] <nigelb> ouch
[14:00] <nigelb> I have a Moto G as well.
[14:01] <nigelb> And I hadn't discovered that.
[14:12] <foobarry> its useless limit, since a lot of features don't work under 500mb
[14:13] <foobarry> e.g. receiving email, messages, etc
[14:22] <foobarry> found facebook using 200mb of data recently
[14:22] <foobarry> the functionality is identical to when it has 0mb of data
[14:22] <foobarry> no idea what its doing
[14:22] <foobarry> it#s not even cache
[14:24] <nigelb> Oh, I use fb on the web on my phone.
[14:24] <nigelb> Not comfortable installing it.
[14:24] <nigelb> I keep deleting apps I don't use.
[14:41] <popey> I've started using telegram a lot more to chat to friends
[14:43] <nigelb> Yep, I use Telegram as well.
[14:46]  * penguin42 isn't that sure about Telegram's logo for being 'open'
[14:47] <penguin42> https://telegram.org/img/tl_card_open.gif
[14:56] <nigelb> TextSecure is pretty good too.
[14:56] <nigelb> It's my default SMS app now.
[14:58] <popey> i saw someone has made a command line version of that
[14:58] <popey> so there may be an ubuntu version at some point
[14:59] <foobarry> has anyone found a twitter app that integrates multiple accounts other than plume?
[14:59] <nigelb> doesn't the default twitter app do that?
[14:59] <foobarry> plume recently broke usability in their app with massively spamming full screen ads
[14:59] <popey> it does, yes
[14:59] <nigelb> popey: There's a Telegram binary that works on Ubuntu.
[14:59] <foobarry> as far as i see, twitter app allows to switch accounts
[14:59] <nigelb> I used to use it briefly.
[14:59] <popey> i do
[14:59] <foobarry> but not mux all feeds together
[14:59] <popey> ahh
[15:00] <popey> i never found an app that could do that
[15:00] <foobarry> plume
[15:00] <popey> well, gwibber
[15:00] <foobarry> but they want £3 for it
[15:00] <nigelb> foobarry: there's a webapp
[15:00] <foobarry> the ad supported one they have destroye
[15:00] <nigelb> tweetdeck
[15:00] <nigelb> I have not used their desktop version.
[15:00] <foobarry> webapps on phone are a bit sucky
[15:00] <nigelb> ah, on phone. Right.
[15:01] <popey> yeah, i use tweetdeck on desktop
[15:05] <foobarry> i recently installed donotcrash
[15:05] <foobarry> saw a review by some guy called popey on my app store
[15:05] <popey> ihaha
[15:05] <foobarry> hard/annoying, quite fun
[15:05]  * popey checks his high score
[15:06] <foobarry> 32
[15:06] <foobarry> might uninstall as its stressy
[15:06] <foobarry> might be easier on a tablet
[15:06] <popey> 32
[15:06] <foobarry> heh
[15:06] <popey> er, 31
[15:06] <popey> yeah, i use it on a hudl2
[15:08] <popey> uh
[15:08] <popey> my tablet is muted, how do you unmute?
[15:08] <nigelb> android?
[15:08] <penguin42> turn up the volume?
[15:08] <popey> yes
[15:08] <nigelb> the volume butttons?
[15:08] <popey> no, i still have a line through the speaker and no in game sound
[15:09] <popey> yeah, of course i tried that! ☻
[15:09] <nigelb> how about volumes bit in settings?
[15:09] <penguin42> hold down the power button until the menu comes up where you can chose the profile?
[15:09] <nigelb> oh, and make sure it's not set to silent
[15:09] <nigelb> that makes things weeeeeird.
[15:09] <popey> it was already not silent mode
[15:09] <popey> but flipped it silent on then off again
[15:09] <popey> and all is fine again
[15:09] <popey> how odd
[15:09] <popey> thanks
[15:10] <nigelb> "Hello IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[15:11] <popey> foobarry: played dont touch the spikes?
[15:13] <popey> Minute quest might be up your street ☻
[15:32] <Guest15576> someone plz help my 14.10 not shutting down or suspending ... it freezes
[15:32] <foobarry> no, will check out
[15:32] <Guest15576> ?
[15:33] <Guest15576> foobarry
[15:35] <popey> Guest15576: #ubuntu is the official ubuntu support channel
[15:35] <popey> more people there
[15:35] <popey> just type /join #ubuntu
[15:35] <popey> http://liliputing.com/2014/12/hp-chromebook-14-now-available-full-hd-touchscreen-display.html looks interesting
[15:35] <Guest15576> thanks :)
[15:41] <diddledan> morning. just bought christmas
[15:42] <popey> \o/
[15:42] <diddledan> lots of dvds involved
[15:42] <penguin42> is there any left for anyone else?
[15:42] <foobarry> anyone played world of tanks?
[15:43] <ali1234> i've played similar f2p games
[15:43] <popey> not me
[15:44] <ali1234> star conflict is world of tanks in space
[15:48] <diddledan> hmm, one of my monitors seems dead
[15:51]  * zmoylan-pi would not want to go shopping in next 4 days for a new monitor....
[15:51] <diddledan> ok, unplugging it and replugging worked
[15:51] <diddledan> (power)
[15:56] <brobostigon> who was that Guest15576, did he randomly pm other people?
[15:57] <popey> not me
[15:57] <brobostigon> ok,
[16:57] <diddledan> ergh, why must people refer to "ubuntu 14"?!
[16:58] <diddledan> fair enough this is a random twit, but it grates me every time I see it
[16:58] <penguin42> especially when it's then not clear if it's 14.04 or 14.10
[16:59] <diddledan> penguin42, exactly
[16:59] <diddledan> e.g. https://twitter.com/Suuth_TGD/status/546700526768099329
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> i must confess i do sometimes forget to say .04 or .10.  i do try and not do that but it happens
[17:02] <diddledan> it's not a version number
[17:03] <penguin42> diddledan: Well, it's unique and incrementing, so it may as well be
[17:03] <diddledan> it doens't really increment tho - else we'd have 14.1 then 14.2
[17:03] <hamitron> 14.04 and 14.04.1
[17:04] <penguin42> diddledan: OK, OK pedant!  It's monotonic and unique
[17:04] <hamitron> ;)
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> pedantry on irc?? :-P
[17:04] <penguin42> never
[17:05] <diddledan> it's a name which just happens to also be a pair of numbers
[17:06] <diddledan> the other one that gets me is dropping the 0 off 04
[17:06] <penguin42> is that a problem?
[17:06] <diddledan> yes
[17:06] <penguin42> oh, just checking
[17:07] <penguin42> diddledan: I mean yes it causes ASCII sorting problems, but not really that big an issue
[17:07] <hamitron> tbh, I've never liked how some software considers 2.10 to be a newer version to 2.8
[17:07] <diddledan> hamitron, yeah I don't like that either
[17:07] <diddledan> hamitron, I've got used to it tho because pretty much everyone does it these days
[17:07]  * hamitron doesn't
[17:08]  * penguin42 finds himself running vim 7.4.475-2
[17:08] <diddledan> I don't really like multiple .s either
[17:08] <diddledan> I like to treat anything numeric as proper numbers
[17:09] <hamitron> oh, I don't mind that
[17:09] <diddledan> the problem I have with multiple dots is that you end up with <IP_ADDRESS>.2.1
[17:10] <penguin42> doing comparisons on them is a pain
[17:10] <diddledan> (yes at work we have had version numbers like that)
[17:10] <hamitron> sure, but better than having 2 different versions of <IP_ADDRESS>.3
[17:10] <hamitron> ;)
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> they could always chuck a little hex in their to mix it up <IP_ADDRESS>.2.F :-)
[17:11] <hamitron> I don't like the word "beta" is version numbers either
[17:11] <hamitron> haha
[17:12] <penguin42> I'm currently trying to figure out tags on an Android kernel my phone uses, the closest tag I can find is LNX.LA.<IP_ADDRESS>.c6-03000-8x74.0?
[17:12] <hamitron> but sure there is plenty we all hate ;)
[17:12] <diddledan> I prefer the idea of odd numbers being beta and even numbers as stable
[17:12] <penguin42> I think the 8x74 is the CPU, but the 3.5.2 definitely doesn't correspond to the kernel version - it's 3.4.0 acording to it's Makefile
[17:13] <hamitron> diddledan, yeh, I like that
[17:13] <diddledan> (that requires two dots tho, which counters my statement above)
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> that was a good idea to my mind alright
[17:17] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/extempore2/status/546707853478592512
[17:47] <penguin42> popey: You've failed to answer an important question; what is the smug looking rabbit at the Ubuntu stand in Cina Mobile dev conference?
[17:47] <penguin42> h
[17:47]  * popey sees this notification on his phone and wanders into the den to reply
[17:47] <popey> I have no idea ☻
[17:48] <diddledan> yey phones
[17:48] <diddledan> notifications ftw
[17:49] <penguin42> in that case we'd best just call him Frank
[17:49] <diddledan> penguin42, is there a photo?
[17:49] <penguin42> diddledan: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wdfQ2S2m7rY/VJVjjNe_IoI/AAAAAAAAByY/KLi5gR01aJk/w1202-h801-no/IMG_1927.jpg
[17:49] <diddledan> pmsl
[17:50] <diddledan> lots of men in suits. and a giant rabbit.
[17:50] <popey> i think he belongs to the stand next to us
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> very bunny :-P
[17:50] <penguin42> looking straight into the camera
[17:50] <popey> look at the banner behind him
[17:50] <popey> you can tell where he's looking!?
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's an odd looking rabbit
[17:51] <popey> its cute
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> just bunny costumes usually have bigger ears
[17:51] <diddledan> I think he's eyeing the ubuntu phones
[17:51] <diddledan> he wants to have one away
[17:52] <diddledan> tis a decent-sized stand for ubuntu
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> the british phone network rabbit will rise again :-)
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_%28telecommunications%29
[17:53] <penguin42> yeh long time ago now
[17:54] <diddledan> I used to own a cellular pager
[17:55] <diddledan> no idea why I owned it tho
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> i had a pay as you go pager.  cost a quid i think to send a message to me.  ran on a aa battery for a week with space inside for spare battery
[17:55] <penguin42> to get you alerted to something
[17:55] <diddledan> penguin42, I was in school, what would I need to be alerted to?
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> and no one ever worked out how to send messages to it despite been shown.
[17:56] <diddledan> I think you had to dictate to an operator to get a message to me via the one I had
[17:56] <penguin42> diddledan: Impending doom, as normal
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> i wrote a programme in basic back then to send messages to engineers pagers.
[17:57] <diddledan> penguin42, surely I'd know about that already being that it would be my doing
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> the service worked at 300bps.  the text just used to fly by...
[17:57] <diddledan> my doings are renowned
[17:57] <diddledan> :-p
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> they tried the dictate the messages service in ireland but in a weird first stab at outsourcing to india nobody coulld understand the irish or the indian accents which left some weird messages been delivered.
[18:01] <diddledan> this would be shocking if 1) it wasn't so common, 2) is wasn't so ironically funny: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antilgbt-preacher-gaylard-williams-arrested-for-grabbing-and-squeezing-mans-genitals-9938465.html
[18:02] <zmoylan-pi> the more some one protests against gay rights the more i suspect they're closest cases.  tragic really
[18:02] <foobarry> 3) his name is gaylard?
[18:02] <diddledan> foobarry, yeah
[18:02] <diddledan> lol
[18:03] <diddledan> his parents obviously knew something
[18:03] <foobarry> nature or nurture?
[18:04] <diddledan> plus his mugshot makes him look like a thug
[18:05] <diddledan> (that's unrelated to his gayness, obviously)
[18:06] <diddledan> -- I realised after I wrote about his mugshot that someone might get the impression that I was suggesting that gay folk look like thugs
[18:07] <diddledan> -- that is NOT what I was implying
[18:10] <diddledan> I do wish sometimes that I didn't have this shovel readily available for digging holes
[18:11] <foobarry> url was too long to click
[18:11] <diddledan> o_O
[18:11] <foobarry> irssi+nicklist = fail
[18:11] <diddledan> aah
[18:11] <diddledan> oops
[18:12] <diddledan> shall I shorten it?
[18:12] <foobarry> i can imagine the story
[18:12] <diddledan> http://go.bwlh.at/1JEatrC
[18:13] <foobarry> ta:)
[18:13] <diddledan> I should install a self-hosted shortlink thing rather than using bit.ly
[18:14] <foobarry> independent have a real problem with comment spam
[18:14] <foobarry> every single story has multiple
[18:14] <foobarry> why don't they curate it or moderate?
[18:18] <ali1234> because it is sunday evening?
[18:20] <shauno> I don't get why newspapers have comments in the first place.  that's not what I visit them for
[18:28] <knightwise> anyone ever tried the virtual box web interface ?
[18:30] <popey> penguin42: you should ask joey directly about the wabbit. It could be some highly significant character in china?
[18:30] <knightwise> i'm following this manual , http://www.howtoforge.com/managing-a-headless-virtualbox-installation-with-phpvirtualbox-on-ubuntu-14.04-ltshttp://www.howtoforge.com/managing-a-headless-virtualbox-installation-with-phpvirtualbox-on-ubuntu-14.04-lts
[18:30] <knightwise> but when I enter the command update-rc.d vboxweb-service defaults it says it cant find the service
[18:31] <knightwise> i checked , its also not in the /etc/init.d directory. i've installed virtualbox AND the extentions so i'm a little puzzled at why I cant find the service anywhere
[18:31] <penguin42> popey: It wants me to join the community to post a comment
[18:31] <popey> oh
[18:31] <popey> you could tag him on my post


[02:03] <tsimonq2> !info plasma-look-and-feel-org-kde-breezedark-desktop
[02:03] <tsimonq2> longest package name I've ever seen ^
[02:07] <ahoneybun> lol
[02:07] <tsimonq2> like seriously :P
[02:08] <ahoneybun> it is a long name
[02:08] <ahoneybun> I guess it would be hard to know what it was otherwise
[02:09] <tsimonq2> yofel: ...why can't it be simpler? :P ^
[02:57] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I found a wordpress theme called Buntu lol
[03:00] <tsimonq2> heh
[04:17]  * ahoneybun has removed python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat and doing an upgrade
[04:17] <ahoneybun> over 700 updates lol
 Here we go, did I break it? Lol
 Well what do you know Plasma remembered my settings for the panel and wallpapers
[05:15] <valorie> ahoneybun: has Plasma ever forgotten your settings?
[05:18] <ahoneybun> everytime
[05:18] <ahoneybun> it switchs the panel and wallpaper
[05:18] <valorie> hmmm
[05:18] <ahoneybun> puts them on the wrong screen
[05:18] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie
[05:18] <valorie> hi tsimonq2
[05:19]  * ahoneybun wonders if he broke his system removing that package
[05:20] <ahoneybun> anyone know anything about how Plasma handles tray icons?
[05:30] <valorie> tsimonq2: did all your merge requests get taken care of?
[05:30] <valorie> sometimes I see the request, and no answer
[05:31] <valorie> then I wonder
[05:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: huh?
[05:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: I haven't submitted an MP since I was a yellow belt :P
[05:45] <tsimonq2> and all have been approved
[06:03] <valorie> ok
[06:04] <valorie> I was still working through my older email
[06:04] <valorie> gonna get even futher behind until I get back from Germany.....
[06:08] <tsimonq2> off to bed for me o/
[06:09] <valorie> niters
[08:48] <acheronuk> Morning :)
[10:14] <blaze> acheronuk: have you used apt on yakkety?
[10:21] <acheronuk> blaze: used, yes. but how do you mean?
[10:22] <blaze> is it buggy?
[10:23] <blaze> I always see some error messages everytime i run it
[10:23] <acheronuk> blaze: no more than normal that I've noticed
[10:23] <acheronuk> what errors
[10:26] <blaze> assertion failed
[10:27] <acheronuk> not seen anything like that, and I do a fair bit via apt/apt-get rather than a package manager
[10:31] <mparillo> blaze: Are you running Synaptic? Or apt in the command line?
[10:32] <blaze> acheronuk: mparillo: that's what I got http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/21/x01_21_08_2016_13_28_43.png
[10:38] <acheronuk> blaze: from that appstream-0.9.8, I would guess you have the version of appstream from yakkety-proposed installed?
[10:39] <acheronuk> 0.9.7-1 is the release pocket version
[10:40] <acheronuk> possible that could be the reason. maybe
[10:42] <blaze> oh
[10:42]  * blaze is downgrading
[10:43] <acheronuk> blaze: if not that, then I'm not sure
[10:50] <blaze> yep, libappstream3 0.9.8-2 that's what it was
[10:57] <acheronuk> blaze: great :)
[10:58] <acheronuk> that you fixed it, that is
[10:58] <blaze> :)
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:47] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: afternoon
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi acheronuk
[11:51] <BluesKaj> interesting, system monitor process table didn't show update-apt-xapian index at all on yakkety, mind you there were over 400 upgrades yesterday
[12:12] <mparillo> BluesKaj: 400 upgrades on YY yesterday? Do you still have the three -staging repositories enabled?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> mparillo, no
[12:13] <mparillo> TY, logging off XX to check YY.
[12:20] <mparillo> Thanks BluesKaj. 364 packages can be upgraded.
[12:21] <mparillo> To be removed: libkwineffects7 libtaskmanager5 plasma-discover-private plasma-discover-updater
[12:40] <mparillo> Thanks BluesKaj: Looks like many of those YY updates for me were Plasma 5.7.2 and KDE Frameworks 5.24.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> mparillo, yeah, same here
[13:25] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.6.0-8-ge0123c8 * Carlo Vanini: src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp
[13:25] <pursuivant> hide purge button when marked for change
[13:25] <pursuivant> When a package with residual config was marked for purge, the purge
[13:25] <pursuivant> button was still shown. Hide it, like the other buttons.
[13:25] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/e0123c8fc8b8982cb03792aaa6e4408b3462976d
[15:14] <santa_> valorie: the mails from my merge requests for getting frameworks building with gcc 6 reached the kubuntu-devel mailing list, see:
[15:15] <santa_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010661.html
[15:15] <santa_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010662.html
[15:15] <santa_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010663.html
[15:15] <santa_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010676.html
[15:15] <santa_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010664.html
[15:15] <santa_> but the problem here is not acheronuk not getting the mails from that
[15:16] <santa_> the problem here is that after more than 2 years after sending my first patch I still don't have git permissions
[15:16] <santa_> not even to push the smallest and most obvious fixes
[15:17] <santa_> see the kjsembed patch for instance https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/+merge/302705
[15:18] <santa_> besides the changelog entry, it just changes *one* line. and it was discussed previously that it was the correct solution. and it fixes a build failure
[15:18] <santa_> god help me when I have to change something less important or more complex
[15:19] <santa_> also note that I mentioned the gcc 6 build failures for frameworks several times:
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #1: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/10/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t12:34
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #2: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t17:14
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #3: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t21:50
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #4: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:19
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #5: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/19/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t18:4
[15:20] <santa_> Mention #6: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/20/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t13:12
[15:22] <santa_> valorie: so you asked me in the mailing list for a "sustained contribution"
[15:24] <santa_> it's perfectly fine and legit that you asked for that, but please consider that I have been working here for a long time without the slightes warranty that I'm not wasting my time
[15:24] <santa_> slightest
[15:28] <santa_> also besides that unpleasant uncertainty: each time I work on a patch or something ....
[15:29] <santa_> are you aware that many many times I have to spend more time humoring someone to include my patches than writing the patches in question?
[15:30] <santa_> and that being said, do you think this kind of things help me towards keeping a sustained contribution?
[15:32] <santa_> I was told I would be getting git permissions after passing the membership process
[15:33] <santa_> so that would be the end of these kind of problems
[15:37] <santa_> but please think a bit about what you (you=kubuntu) can do to be a nice place to work
[15:37] <santa_> it's really sad that after 2 years I *still* have to work like this
[15:39] <santa_> and sorry for the wall of text, I don't mean to offend, just pointing out some things, which, in my opinion, must be improved
 santa  everywhere has a similar policy about pushing code
[17:20] <santa_> ahoneybun: well, I'm also a KDE developer, after sending *3* patches to the mailing list I got SVN permissions
[17:23] <santa_> ahoneybun: also, note that this in KDE you get permissions to push code to *any* KDE software, however that's not used as an excuse to not give you the permissions you need to do a proper job
[17:23] <santa_> for instance I don't consider myself to be technically capable enough to make decisions about a patch for plasma for example
[17:24] <santa_> because I never worked on plasma
[17:25] <santa_> so if I happen to have a fix for plasma, instead of pushing it directly (I could do that because in KDE when you get SVN/git permissions you get puhs access to everything), I would use the reviewboard
[17:38] <santa_> ahoneybun: now compare it to what we have here: I have been sending patches for 2 years, and when I ask for git permissions I just got called "incompetent" in my face https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/02/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t20:11
[17:40] <santa_> ahoneybun: and that's kind of fun because in case you haven't noticed I have been packaging KDE sfotware for ~ 7 years meaning I probably have more experience than many people who already got access, including yofel
[17:41] <santa_> so please reconsider a bit the way you are dealing with "new" contributors
[17:42] <santa_> it would be nice if they way you deal with new people would be more oriented to help people getting in, rather than keeping them out
[17:44] <santa_> * the way
[17:44] <shepster52> Caution! newbie present!  Greetings,  I have Ubuntu running the KDE window manager/desktop.  Question:  What is the difference between what I am running and an install of Kubuntu?
[17:47] <acheronuk> shepster52: You are welcome :), but this is a development channel, so that Q would probably be better on #kubuntu
[17:48] <santa_> hi shepster52, maybe this question would be more appropiate for #kubuntu, anyway I don't think you will find much difference if you installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[17:48] <santa_> oops
[17:49] <acheronuk> shepster52: but not much difference, except you will have kubuntu in addition to whatever DE you had before
[17:49] <acheronuk> snap * 2
[17:50] <santa_> haha
[18:09] <tsimonq2> santa_: do all the GCC6 fixes look similar to kjsembed ?
[18:10] <santa_> tsimonq2: well there are some which change like 3 lines of the symbols files instead of one if that's the question
[18:10] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:11] <tsimonq2> here's what I'm willing to do, if you give me the heads up that kjsembed works exactly as intended in KCI, I'll go through and approve all your MPs
[18:11] <tsimonq2> I'm figuring out how to approve it now :P
[18:12] <tsimonq2> santa_: and I'm really sorry you're feeling this way. By the way, to get Git access, you'd be looking to get Ninja, not Membership ;)
[18:13] <santa_> tsimonq2: it was Ninja what I asked, see yofel's reply above
[18:15] <santa_> tsimonq2: regarding the gcc6 patches they are targeted to the _archive branch, but once you get them there you could merge them to _unstable
[18:16] <tsimonq2> santa_: so with the fixes you presented, would you like those to go into a specific archive or just in KCI for now?
[18:16] <santa_> tsimonq2: the way I see is the following
[18:17] <santa_> they are right now in yakkety 5 frameworks which are failing to build, that's a fact
[18:17] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I tested an equivalent KCI change for kjsembed I think....
[18:18] <tsimonq2> santa_: 5 is ambiguous, you mean the PPA or in the archive?
[18:18] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/commit/?id=7be5a25a261be957a80dcc1f4e5b8c2a42c740ec
[18:18] <santa_> tsimonq2: any. both archive and staging have 5.24
[18:19] <santa_> so now you could release yakkety with fw 5.24 or 5.25
[18:20] <santa_> now lets say you go for 5.24 -> my patches should be included otherwise you would release yakkety with packages which fail to build from source
[18:20] <tsimonq2> I'm not comfortable merging into kubuntu_yakkety_archive quite yet. that's yofel's job.
[18:20] <santa_> now let's say you go for 5.25 -> my patches should be included, and then you can pacakge 5.25 on top of that
[18:21] <tsimonq2> yeah
[18:22] <santa_> ] <tsimonq2> I'm not comfortable merging into kubuntu_yakkety_archive quite yet. that's yofel's job.
[18:22] <tsimonq2> but I'm not! :P
[18:23] <santa_> note that my criticism (I hope you understand it as constructive criticism) is not about rushing my patches but about how kubuntu deals with new, upcoming contributors
[18:23] <tsimonq2> I understand fully :)
[18:23] <tsimonq2> I'm new here too
[18:23] <tsimonq2> well, you aren't
[18:24] <tsimonq2> but I think it's about the trust of the people involved, otherwise you won't get anywhere
[18:24] <santa_> well, actually I should say "third class citizens"
[18:24] <tsimonq2> I got ninja in a week and a half because I worked hard. who says it shouldn't be the same for you?
[18:25] <santa_> I have been sending patches here for about a couple of years
[18:26] <tsimonq2> that being said, Philip seems to have some reservations. I'd be good to work with him and find out what exactly he would like to see. :)
[18:26] <santa_> and I disagree you got it because you worked hard. don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure you worked hard
[18:27] <santa_> you got ninja because someone decided to make you ninja
[18:27] <tsimonq2> because afair with him being I *think* the only active developer, his vote of yes or no determines it
[18:28] <santa_> which exactly the problem
[18:29] <tsimonq2> the problem there is we lack developers :)
[18:30] <santa_> yeah, well, you won't get more developers this way
[18:33] <tsimonq2> we have clivejo and acheronuk and myself who eventually (if not already) will be candidates for being a developer, so you're wrong there :)
[18:33] <tsimonq2> but, you're a special case
[18:33] <tsimonq2> again, I had a nice turnaround time on my MPs
[18:33] <tsimonq2> but for some reason not yours
 The issue is your past actions santa
[18:34] <santa_> ahoneybun: what past actions?
 You disappeared before for one
 I've been around for a solid 2 1/2 year and have only seen you around a little
[18:39] <santa_> ahoneybun: too bad you weren't paying attention, because I sent a lot of patches https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+merges
[18:40] <santa_> ahoneybun: and I could afford to be more active if didn't have to spend more time humoring someone else to include my patches than writing the patches in question
[18:40] <tsimonq2> santa_: hey now, in that patch, there was something I found that wasn't right
[18:41] <tsimonq2> you wanted to merge into kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[18:41] <santa_> ahoneybun: also note that the link doesn't include the patches I sent when the packaging was in debian's git
[18:41] <tsimonq2> yet you had it as UNRELEASED
[18:41] <santa_> ahoneybun: so you may find more in the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[18:42] <santa_> tsimonq2: that's not wrong, that's intended
[18:42] <tsimonq2> yofel: asking on behalf of the release team (me and Set are doing the flavor-side) is Kubuntu participating in Beta 1?
[18:42] <tsimonq2> santa_: that's wrong, you never do that
[18:42] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: even YY archive stays as unreleased in the changelog, until it actually is.
[18:42] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: but I mean as a top entry?
[18:43] <tsimonq2> am I wrong here?
[18:43] <santa_> tsimonq2: no, it's not. the packages are failing to build in yakkety
[18:43] <santa_> so this way they can be used to upload an update to yakkety
[18:44] <tsimonq2> santa_, acheronuk: so we have to ask ourselves, WWYD?
[18:44] <tsimonq2> :D
[18:44] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: yes, as once released you increment the version on the next change, and as that has not been released it should be UNRELEASED
[18:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: but don't those changes go directly into the archive then?
[18:45] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: not until yofel does it and changes it to released when he does
[18:45] <tsimonq2> santa_: so on those MPs you submitted, that's great, thank you, but I'm not good enough at this to merge into kubuntu_yakkety_archive. If you fix something in KCI and want to merge into kubuntu_unstable, I'll be happy to approve if it seems reasonable. :)
[18:45] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ahhh gotcha
[18:46] <tsimonq2> santa_: after all, we have a LOT of different errors in KCI ;)
[18:46] <shepster52> thanks all
[19:10] <valorie> santa_: just got to my keyboard
[19:10] <valorie> I'll read up before responding
[19:15] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie
[19:16] <acheronuk> evening valorie :)
[19:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: so did we ship apps 16.04.3 or is that still a WIP?
[19:18] <valorie> it's just past noon!
[19:18] <tsimonq2> ik it's just past 2 PM for me!
[19:18] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: WIP to become a FFE I think
[19:18] <valorie> timezones are fun
[19:19] <santa_> tsimonq2: it's not in the archive yet if that's the question
[19:19] <santa_> I also have some important pending reviews for it
[19:19] <santa_> (no pun intended)
[19:20] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what are we waiting on?!?
[19:21] <valorie> that was my question yesterday. It's not just santa_ that has had merges and changes and stuff published on the list that have had no answers on the list
[19:21] <valorie> but I don't know who needs to do approvals etc.
[19:22] <valorie> having only on Kubuntu Developer right now is a holdup, as is having no MOTU
[19:22] <tsimonq2> well if I'm getting this right, unless we're uploading fixes to packages in a staging PPA, yofel does kubuntu_yakkety_archive (clivejo too?), and the rest of us all could probably do kubuntu_unstable
[19:23] <tsimonq2> yeah ik :/
[19:23] <valorie> santa_: I do not think you are wasting your time
[19:23] <valorie> I think we all share your frustration, because everyone is working hard
[19:23] <tsimonq2> agreed
[19:23] <valorie> and it seems to take forever to get changes made
[19:24] <tsimonq2> well except for the ninjas which have access but even then, I have no clue why we're waiting on apps 16.04.3
[19:24] <valorie> on the other hand, things are moving in a good direction, and much more quickly than they were last cycle for instance
[19:24] <tsimonq2> I garee
[19:24] <tsimonq2> *agree
[19:25] <valorie> I thought we were all gonna have heart attacks by the time of 16.04 release
[19:25] <tsimonq2> well that sucks, 'cause over at Lubuntu land I was twiddling my thumbs :P
[19:27] <tsimonq2> santa_: we appreciate your efforts, I'd just be able to do more if you proposed fixes against kubuntu_unstable :)
[19:29] <valorie> tsimonq2: much of the frustration is that riddell used to be able to take our tested stuff and get it into the archive
[19:29] <valorie> now we are constantly waiting on them
[19:30] <valorie> clogs all of our processes us to wait for work we did weeks or even months ago just languish
[19:30] <tsimonq2> we need a MOTU don't we?
[19:30] <valorie> that too
[19:30] <tsimonq2> argh I wish I could do more
[19:31] <valorie> one thing at a time
[19:31] <tsimonq2> I know :|
[19:31] <valorie> we've been fixing our tooling, and that is working better, right?
[19:31] <valorie> our packages seem to be in pretty good shape
[19:31] <mparillo> It seems to me that having the larger project control Qt hurts. In an emergency (and we are not there yet, right?) didn't Scott offer to help out?
[19:32] <valorie> yes, waiting on Ubuntu for Qt does hurt
[19:32] <valorie> I don't know a way around that
[19:32] <tsimonq2> well that's just how transitions work :P
[19:33] <valorie> mparillo: ScottK can help with some Debian stuff, yes
[19:33] <valorie> but I believe he's stepped down from all of his former Ubuntu jobs
[19:34] <blaze> that's because some kde man have made Mark nervous and the Riddel was second
[19:34] <blaze> saw it with my eyes
[19:37] <valorie> not sure what you mean, blaze?
[19:39] <blaze> the reason behind all that commotion
[19:39] <blaze> with kubuntu council etc
[19:42] <valorie> blaze: "some kde man"?
[19:43] <valorie> I was there, on the Council, and I don't know what you are talking about
[19:48] <valorie> anyway, ScottK still loves us, and so do shadeslayer, and riddell, and sitter
[19:48] <valorie> but they aren't working with us as a matter of course
[19:50] <blaze> btw, I'm not familiar with the official version of what happened
[19:51] <mparillo> And I thought some of those remain MOTU and were willing to upload in an emergency.
[19:53] <valorie> shadeslayer is a MOTU and will upload in an emergency
[19:53] <valorie> and has done so
[20:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: can you change config on KCI? prison has done away with frameworks branch and merged it to master, so I think KCI needs to pull from there?
[23:10]  * acheronuk wonders how to update the KCI version of prison when it has been 'debianabimanagered'
[23:17] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: what happened with all the merge markers here? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/messagelib/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=4c8509f665aba222136ca27250d696fecbc3ba29
[23:22] <acheronuk> yofel, if you should be around, would updating the prison packaging in the way Neon have here: http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/frameworks/prison.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=d7962eb1ec3a8fb2e9b79fc5f106cd7a31577718
[23:23] <acheronuk> need any modification for the debianabimanager?


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