[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150071 in launchpad "Invalid .dsc file generated" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150071
[07:13] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[10:53] <acuster> Hey all, who are: "The vcs-imports operator"s?
[10:54] <Fujitsu> acuster: Members of ~vcs-imports
[10:58] <thumper> acuster: why do you ask?
[10:59] <acuster> I was loosely wondering how many there were to guess at how long it would take for a test import
[11:00] <acuster> bzrsvn seems to choke on the import and I'm wondering if cvcs (?) does better
[11:00] <thumper> acuster: there are several, although most of the work is done by just two people
[11:00] <acuster> ah, so it may take a while. hmmm.
[11:00] <acuster> thanks
[11:00] <thumper> acuster: once the import values have been checked, such as making sure it points to trunk
[11:01] <thumper> acuster: and isn't already done, it gets marked to test
[11:01] <thumper> acuster: then some machines go and process it for a while
[11:01] <thumper> some of the bigger repositories take days to import, but smaller projects are much quicker
[11:01] <acuster> it took 8 hours using bzrsvn
[11:01] <thumper> acuster: one of the best ways to get things rolling is to ask a question on the launchpad-bazaar project
[11:02] <acuster> but that resulted in a broken branch
[11:02] <thumper> it is doing a lot of stuff
[11:02] <thumper> broken in what way?
[11:02] <acuster> it has a "removed:" section right away
[11:02] <acuster> and revert doesn't work, nor does add/commit or anything else
[11:03] <lifeless> acuster: do you mean bzr2svn ?
[11:03] <acuster> its only in the two most recent modules which seems strange
[11:03] <lifeless> erm
[11:03] <thumper> acuster: what version of bzr?
[11:03] <acuster> not sure, whatever ubuntu ships with feisty
[11:03] <lifeless> I mean do you mean bzr-svn ?
[11:03] <lifeless> bzr-svn 0.4.x is *much* better
[11:04] <acuster> 0.15.0 bzr
[11:04] <thumper> acuster: are you able to upgrade?
[11:04] <acuster> sure, to what?
[11:04] <thumper> the latest? 0.91
[11:05] <acuster> 0.3.2 on bzr-svn
[11:05] <thumper> acuster: which OS?
[11:05] <acuster> ubuntu, what else?
[11:05] <acuster> :-)
[11:05] <thumper> :)
[11:05] <thumper> use the debs from bazaar-vcs.org
[11:05] <acuster> thanks
[11:06] <thumper> np
[11:06] <lifeless> bzr-svn 0.4 isn't packaged there yet
[11:07] <thumper> lifeless: is it packaged somewhere?
[11:07] <lifeless> but you can just download the plugin to ~/.bazaar/plugins/svn and it will override the package
[11:07] <lifeless> thumper: gutsy
[11:07] <lifeless> fisted fawn
[11:07] <acuster> lifeless, which plugin?
[11:08] <lifeless> acuster: the bzr-svn plugin
[11:08] <acuster> which lives where?
[11:08] <lifeless> bazaar-vcs.org/svn IIRC
[11:08] <lifeless> back later
[11:08] <lifeless> you may get more detailed answers on #bzr btw
[11:11] <acuster>  bzr-svn depends on bzr (<< 0.91~); however:
[11:11] <acuster>   Version of bzr on system is 0.91-2.
[11:11] <acuster> yeah, thanks
[11:11] <acuster> so I need to downgrade to 0.90?
[11:18] <Fujitsu> acuster: Uninstall the packaged bzr-svn.
[11:20] <acuster> ah?
[11:21] <acuster> okay, circuitous but I have bzr 0.91.2 and bzr-svn 0.4.2-1
[11:30] <Fujitsu> \redraw
[11:30] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[11:31] <acuster> nice it seems much, much faster
[11:32] <mhb> hello Launchpad masters, is it possible to set an email autoreply whenever a LP user tries to join a moderated team?
[11:34] <Fujitsu> mhb: No.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> (I'm not a Launchpad master, but at least there's no UI for it)
[12:00] <Nysander> if i translate some terms in lauchpad for ubuntu project are those changes uploaded upstream so other distros also have them and i improve translations for whole the community or are they held only for ubuntu series purpose?
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150121 in soyuz "changelog-closes-bugs confuses people" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150121
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Nysander: At this point they're generally not forwarded upstream, AFAIK.
[12:09] <mdke> Nysander: you have to pass translations manually to the relevant upstream project, unless that project itself uses Launchpad, in which case they get them automatically as suggestions
[12:35] <Nysander> thanks for answers, are there any chances that in near feature they will be forwarded upstream or that is canonical ltd rule to leave changes only for ubuntu?
[12:36] <Nysander> with the translations for ubuntu projects on launchpad
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Nysander: I believe it to be a technical limitation at this time, rather than one of policy.
[01:04] <Kmos> PPA i386 is not building since yesterday..
[01:05] <Kmos> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gothicx/+archive/+build/404041
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Kmos: The language packs are building.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> They're normally a fairly good DoS.
[01:06] <Kmos> ah, so it's that
[01:06] <Kmos> :(
[01:06] <Kmos> but there isn't more than one i386 server?
[01:07] <Kmos> i only see samarium with language packs
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Kmos: Not at this time.
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Only samarium and promethium build PPAs.
[01:07] <Kmos> for RC release :)
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Kmos: No, they're for Feisty.
[01:08] <Kmos> Fujitsu: ah ok
[01:08] <Kmos> :)
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150201 in soyuz "ppa archive not correctly cleaned when changing section" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150201
[04:03] <Kaedenn> Greetin's. I don't know if it's me or if launchpad.net hates me, but I've tried four times to register, and each of the four times I've never received an email.
[04:03] <Kaedenn> Two of those times I've tried to request a password reset, and it just says my information was not found in the database.
[04:05] <Kaedenn> Maybe it's because there's someone in the server with my exact name that I'm trying to register with?
[04:05] <Kaedenn> The problem is simple; the email isn't being sent.
[04:06] <Kaedenn> And I've not a single clue as to why that is.
[04:22] <Kaedenn> So far, I'm entirely unable to register for launchpad. :[
[04:24] <sourcercito> hi there, which is the ubuntu/canonical position about including copyrighted material as attachment in bug reports?
[04:25] <sourcercito> is something to worry about?
[04:25] <sourcercito> don't know if it's the right channel, but don't know what would be
[04:26] <mwhudson> sourcercito: it's probably the wrong day to ask :)
[04:28] <sourcercito> you're right mwhudson, but just found one and don't want to wait till tomorrow :P
[04:29] <mwhudson> sourcercito: https://help.launchpad.net/TermsofUse
[04:30] <sourcercito> mwhudson, thanks, i'll read that :D
[04:35] <Kaedenn> Any advice as to what I should do?
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150216 in malone "buttons and icons in window bar forced to center" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150216
[06:08] <Kaedenn> Ugh. I've tried four times to register with launchpad, and each of the four times I've never received an email. Two of those times I've tried to request a password reset, and it just says my information was not found in the database.
[06:08] <Kaedenn> Simply put, an email isn't being sent.
[08:44] <ffm> Can someone delete the qemu project from lauhcpad? I made it by mistake a while ago, and while there is a qemu project, I am not associated with it.
[08:44] <ffm> At least, can someone change me from the owner of it.
[08:50] <mwhudson> ffm: you can do that much
[08:51] <ffm> Who should I change the channel over to?
[08:52] <mwhudson> "registry" i think
[08:53] <mwhudson> yes
[08:55] <ffm> they seem to be inactive
[08:55] <ffm>             Subteam of                                    Registry Administrators           is a member of these teams:                                          Deactived Team                                   Fink Members                                   Gentoo Members                                   obsolete                                   Red Flag MID                                   SuSE Members                                   Unus
[08:56] <mwhudson> if you're not sure what to do, ask a Question in the launchpad project
[09:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:31] <pochu> hello mpt
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150314 in launchpad-answers "Subscribers heading is too long on question page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150314
[09:59] <MFen> is there a way to save searches?
[09:59] <MFen> there seems to be a very basic bug search missing: all open bugs :)
[10:00] <MFen> i guess a "filter" is what i want to save
[10:00] <MFen> my definition of "open" is slightly different from launchpad's
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150320 in launchpad "Launchpad activity relevant to me isn't listed on the Web site" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150320
[10:00] <beernarrd> hi all
[10:00] <mwhudson> MFen: a bookmark?
[10:01] <MFen> mwhudson: leaves something to be desired (starting with i can't share my bookmarks)
[10:02] <thumper> morning
[10:03] <beernarrd> I have a problem: is there a way to delete a release?
[10:09] <beernarrd> I mean, a release one has created by himself
[10:16] <mwhudson> MFen: file a bug, perhaps?
[10:36] <mpt> MFen, how does your definition of "open" differ?
[10:37] <mpt> MFen, apparently <http://del.icio.us/> lets you share your bookmarks
[10:37] <radix> MFen: if you just click the "Search" button without actually typing anything in, you'll get all open bugs, afaik
[10:37] <MFen> mpt: i don't want to include 'fix committed'
[10:37] <MFen> radix: true, but it's the same list as Filters>Open
[10:38] <radix> oh
[10:38] <mpt> MFen, interesting. Which project is this?
[10:38] <MFen> i didn't realize that when i thought open was "missing", but it's still a different "open" than i want
[10:38] <MFen> mpt: playtools
[10:38] <mpt> beernarrd, unfortunately not, that's bug 138997
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138997 in launchpad "Please allow editing of releases" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138997
[10:41] <MFen> mpt: bugzilla has resolved and closed
[10:42] <radix> hmmm
[10:42] <MFen> mpt: which mean basically the same things
[10:42] <radix> mpt: I think we might get some benefit from it in Landscape, but I'd have to think about it to describe how :-)
[10:42] <radix> we do *use* it
[10:42] <radix> Fix Committed means "in trunk", Fix Released means "deployed" or "packaged"
[10:43] <pochu> mpt: please fix bug 66529 and I will not use Fix Committed in a bad manner ;)
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66529 in malone "Sync the status of SourceForge bugs" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66529 - Assigned to Graham Binns (gmb)
[10:45] <beernarrd> mpt: thanks for the reply
[11:23] <mpt> MFen, bugzilla.mozilla.org has an open bug report proposing that CLOSED should be abolished :-)
[11:24] <MFen> heh
[11:24] <MFen> what's the rationale?
[11:24] <mpt> radix, right, that's how we use it in Launchpad, but that doesn't scale to a project the size of Ubuntu
[11:25] <mpt> MFen, that it's not used (actually I think it was used in the Netscape Bugsplat bug tracker, so it got cargo-culted into Bugzilla without people saying "hang on, do we actually need this?")
[11:27] <MFen> i used to use bugzilla on a project at my old job
[11:27] <MFen> we used closed
[11:28] <MFen> it meant "passed manual testing" essentially
[11:31] <mpt> bugzilla.mozilla.org uses VERIFIED for that
[12:23] <radix> mpt: well, not with the existing UI, anyway
[12:23] <radix> mpt: it barely scales to Landscape's needs
[12:23] <radix> (but I'm only talking about the transaction from Committed to Released
[12:23] <radix> err, s/transaction/transition/
[12:35] <MFen> mpt: we were using an older version, now that i think about it. verified didn't exist
[12:35] <MFen> what's Landscape?
[12:35] <MFen> nm, google ftw


[06:16] <Kilos> morning all
[06:27] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:27]  * superfly gets ready for kirk
[06:28] <Kilos> say a prayer for me too please superfly
[06:29] <superfly> will do
[06:29] <Kilos> ty
[09:51] <Kilos> eeeek timkeller that bouncer of yours is sick
[09:52] <Kilos> maybe tonight ask one of the guys to help you fix it
[10:14] <Vince-0> Telkom: not winning with DSL faults in 10 areas
[10:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:23] <Vince-0> Never seen this - line syncs but no ppoe and I've tried two ISPs
[10:42] <Kilos> thats not good
[10:50] <Symmetria> sounds your the metro-e to your exchange is down Vince
[10:50] <Symmetria> the DSLAM will then sync but if here is no connectivity back outta the exchange you aint gonna get pppoe
[11:05] <Vince-0> Yes indeed. Hopefully they fix it fast cos there's a high concentration of users and businesses here
[11:37] <Vince-0> And I can play games, most importantly
[11:43] <smile4ever> There is hope for south africa :D
[11:44] <smile4ever> www.uitsaaines.co.za says ;)
[11:44] <smile4ever> :P
[11:44] <Squirm> lo
[11:45] <smile4ever> hi :)
[11:45] <smile4ever> ^^
[11:45] <smile4ever> are you using unity, Squirm?
[11:52] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:52] <charl_> Maaz_: coffee on
[11:52]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[11:54] <Squirm> smile4ever: nope
[11:55] <Squirm> don't like it
[11:55] <smile4ever> you are a kde man? :p
[11:55] <Squirm> nope
[11:55] <Squirm> more of a Gnome 2 man
[11:55] <charl_> hi Squirm, smile4ever
[11:55] <Squirm> I'm running Mint MATE
[11:55] <Squirm> hey charl_
[11:55] <smile4ever> Squirm: cool :)
[11:56] <smile4ever> hi charl_ :)
[11:56] <smile4ever> I found a fix for wine apps under Unity
[11:56] <smile4ever> ^^
[11:56] <Squirm> yeah, I like Mint.
[11:56] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:56] <smile4ever> Squirm: me too :)
[11:57] <Squirm> I'm going to go play squash now and I can still feel the coffee I had at lunch :/
[11:57] <Squirm> bad combination
[11:59] <charl_> Maaz_: thanks
[11:59] <Maaz_> charl_: Sure
[12:00] <Squirm> bbl
[12:01] <smile4ever> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation-certificaat <- cool, isn't it? :D
[12:01] <smile4ever> ^^
[12:39] <zeref> o0o0o0
[12:39] <zeref> gnome-shell in debian testing looks sexy :P
[13:26] <charl_> zeref: screenshot? :)
[13:28] <charl_> smile4ever: yeah that is quite important these days where ssl certificates are almost bought "off the shelf"
[13:36] <smile4ever> charl_:  :D
[13:36] <smile4ever> it was missing on Wikipedia NL, so why not write it :)
[13:54] <charl_> smile4ever: oh nice, you wrote that?
[13:54] <smile4ever> charl_: who else? :D
[13:54] <charl_> very good!
[13:59] <smile4ever> charl_: thanks :)
[14:28] <smile4ever> :D :D
[14:28] <smile4ever> Recent heeft u een melding gedaan van een (of meer) website die nog niet
[14:28] <smile4ever> door CookiesOK ondersteund werd.
[14:28] <smile4ever> Ik stuur u dit bericht om u te informeren dat ik uw melding afgehandeld
[14:28] <smile4ever> heb en de website aan de plugin word toegevoegd vanaf de volgende update
[14:28] <smile4ever> (morgen ochtend).
[14:28] <smile4ever> (tweakers.net)
[14:28] <smile4ever> :)
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:41] <Vince-0> Maaz: hmm...
[15:41] <Maaz_> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[15:41] <Kilos> haha
[15:41] <Kilos> tim needs help with his bouncer
[15:42] <Kilos> maybe he needs to get quassel- core and use it that way
[15:42] <Vince-0> androirc has a timout limit config
[15:42] <Kilos> sup Vince-0
[15:42] <Vince-0> is he on mobile that its so bad>?
[15:42] <Vince-0> Hi
[15:42] <Kilos> i dont know but its very bad
[15:43] <Kilos> timkeller: ping
[15:43] <Vince-0> timkeller ping
[15:44] <Vince-0> timkeller: ping
[15:44] <Vince-0> ow I thought it could be a bot command to show latency
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[15:45] <Kilos> no we pinging him for a reaction
[15:45] <Kilos> the ctcp ping gives latency times
[15:46] <Kilos> dont see the optiojn here on quassel
[15:46] <Kilos> option as well
[15:48] <Vince-0> do you see that whois that whos idle time or is it just me cos I clicked on it
[15:53] <Kilos> in quassel Vince-0?
[15:53] <Vince-0> Xchat
[15:53] <Kilos> never thought i would miss unity but because of xchat i do
[15:53] <Vince-0> Gnome3
[15:54] <Kilos> xchat dont give alert sounds in kubuntu
[15:54] <Vince-0> or shell or whatever - I need to do some customization testing on other environments
[15:54] <Kilos> xchat has lotsa stuff you can setup
[15:55] <Kilos> also shows hosts etc
[15:55] <Vince-0> what's your opinion on desktop window manager customizations? I think gnome2 is still the easiest to lock-down
[15:55] <Kilos> lemme start it here
[15:56] <Kilos> yeah gnome 2 still is the easiest
[15:56] <Kilos> mate was close
[15:56] <Kilos> have you tried mate?
[15:57] <Vince-0> tried it on the new LinuxMint in the call center and its not nice to customize easily.
[15:57] <Kilos> works on unity and like Squirm with mint
[15:57] <Vince-0>  I did have some luch with Gnome Shell but it isn't exactly light-weight on weak machines
[15:57] <Kilos> in unity its close to gnome2 as in maverick
[15:57] <Kilos> i dont know mint
[15:57] <Vince-0> Is OK
[15:58] <Kilos> i used mate on unity and it was much faster
[15:58] <Kilos> like turbo charging an old jalopy
[15:59] <Vince-0> I like the minimal ones like xfce, lxde and enlightenment even though they're out dated
[15:59] <Vince-0> I think it comes down to the desktop environment and customizations for end users - not the underlying distribution.
[15:59] <Vince-0> packages must just work
[16:01] <Kilos> yeah unity worked well here even though slowish, but everything except 3g worked
[16:01] <Kilos> now drive crashed and refuses to take unity again
[16:01] <Kilos> grrr
[16:01]  * Squirm dies
[16:02] <Vince-0> network manager? I have a SIM slot on the work Dell laptop but havn't tried it. Biggest problem is Nvidia Optimus and TV out
[16:02] <Kilos> watch out the day you really do Squirm\
[16:02] <smile4ever> bye :)
[16:02] <Kilos> toods smile4ever
[16:02] <Kilos> be good
[16:02] <smile4ever> thanks
[16:02] <smile4ever> :)
[16:03] <Kilos> hehe
[16:17] <Vince-0_DBNLUG> its mee
[16:17] <Kilos> what youuuu
[16:18] <Kilos> whats too
[16:18] <Vince-0> freenode client on the lug site I'm working on
[16:18] <Kilos> ah you causing all the probs
[16:18] <Kilos> naughty
[16:19] <Vince-0> problems? mee?
[16:19] <Kilos> haha
[16:19] <Vince-0> what do you know that I don'
[16:19] <Vince-0> t
[16:20] <Kilos> i can overhaul an automatic gearbox and diesel engine
[16:20] <Vince-0> ouch
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe dirty work
[16:21] <Vince-0> I'm an office rat - keyboard hands
[16:21] <Kilos> shame
[16:21] <Kilos> can you surf?
[16:22] <Vince-0> hell yar
[16:22] <Kilos> yay then you not too bad
[16:22] <Vince-0> thanks
[16:23] <Kilos> hehe
[16:23] <Kilos> can you fix winsucks pcs?
[16:23] <Vince-0> yes unfortunately
[16:23] <Vince-0> local helpdesk, but not at work thank crabs
[16:24] <Kilos> then lurk on my channel for if someone needs help
[16:24] <Kilos> ##kilos
[16:24] <Vince-0> gotcha, I guess those newbs need help too
[16:24] <Kilos> cute ibid i got hey
[16:25] <Vince-0> is that a bot"?
[16:25] <Kilos> y7ip latest ibid
[16:25] <Kilos> yip too
[16:26] <Kilos> its maaz's little sister
[16:26] <Vince-0> k, I like the QA type bots makes things more structured
[16:26] <Vince-0> see the one in #freeswitch
[16:26] <Vince-0> although those sorts of things also need some type of time-shift or zone descriptions
[16:27] <Kilos> eeek lotsa peeps there
[16:27] <Kilos> id get lost
[16:27] <Vince-0> If you need assistance please type ~take-a-number [insert your question here] or read http://wiki.freeswitch.org
[16:28] <Vince-0> great project that - that wiki is nice and they do weekly conference calls
[16:28] <Kilos> im scared of wiki sites now
[16:28] <Vince-0> they're the bomb
[16:29] <Vince-0> although its a bit of work for admins
[16:29] <Kilos> i tried to get to 2 the smile gave coupla night ago and that crashed my unity
[16:29] <Kilos> what do they do at #freeswitch?
[16:30] <Vince-0> voip/softswitch
[16:30] <Vince-0> like Asterisk but on steroids
[16:30] <Kilos> oh i dont have data to play like that
[16:31] <Vince-0> you talkin about cap?
[16:31] <Kilos> ya i use 8ta
[16:31] <Vince-0> FS can be big with all the sound files
[16:31] <Kilos> make 2+1 last 2 months
[16:32] <Vince-0> but I'v heard of guys building it on embedded devices
[16:33] <Kilos> sound and video is bad news for 3g peeps
[16:33] <Vince-0> oh ya to get it over 3g but depending how you do it it could just be for internal use or on a telkom analogue line
[16:34] <Vince-0> the protocol options are flexible so you can do like speex codec at 5Kbps voice call
[16:34] <Kilos> hehe all lines got stolen here so often they refused to replace them
[16:35] <Kilos> new lines werent up a week then gone again
[16:35] <Vince-0> in fact, there's probably a module to get it to work with a SIM device
[16:35] <Kilos> even power lines
[16:35] <Vince-0> ya sounds like the Durban south coast and in-land
[16:35] <Kilos> copper has become like gold
[17:07] <Kilos> kubuntu installs packages muct faster than unity
[17:12] <Vince-0> same packages?
[17:30] <Kilos> yeah the normal 12.04 packages one manually installs from archives or a rsynced copy of them
[17:31] <Kilos> the package manager is much faster than gdebi or sotware centre
[17:31] <Kilos> and just one click on the package and it opens the pm
[17:34] <Kilos> i dont remember if one should install compiz. superfly?
[17:34] <Kilos> or inetpro
[17:34] <Kilos> they the kde guys
[17:55] <inetpro> timkeller spamming us?
[17:55] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[17:56] <Kilos> yeah we gotta help him sort his bouncer thingie
[17:57] <Kilos> so must i install compiz boetie
[17:57] <inetpro> no man, at this rate he must just disconnect and connect when he wants to talk to us
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: on kubuntu there's no need to install compiz
[17:58] <Kilos> ok but would be nice to find what the prob is
[17:58] <Kilos> others dont do it
[17:58] <Kilos> maybe he needs kde stuff
[17:58] <inetpro> if you use a bouncer you need a stable connection
[17:59] <inetpro> kde won't make a diff
[17:59] <Kilos> he can disconnect after the meeting other wise he will forget
[17:59] <Kilos> you got no excuses to miss it either
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[17:59] <Kilos> lmga
[18:00] <Kilos> looks like the mail peeps gave up the idea of activism against ms preinstalled pcs
[18:01] <Squirm> in theory, if you say no to MS's Terms, you should be able to claim the money back
[18:01] <Kilos> hey inetpro must i install compiz?
[18:02] <Kilos> ya Squirm some have done it but with lotsa rigmarole
[18:02] <inetpro> 17/02 19:57:56 <inetpro> Kilos: on kubuntu there's no need to install compiz
[18:02] <Kilos> i think its just pc suppliers that should give a choice not enforce the ms thing
[18:03] <inetpro> Kubuntu comes with built-in desktop effects
[18:03] <Kilos> oh sorry ballie. didnt see that
[18:03] <Squirm> pc without OS + optional, discounted OS
[18:03] <Squirm> agreed
[18:03] <Kilos> i killed them effects
[18:03] <Kilos> ya Squirmlike that
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: if you disabled desktop effects why do you still want compiz?
[18:04] <Kilos> well duh why you think im asking
[18:04] <inetpro> I don't know
[18:05] <Kilos> same as why you asked how to get rid of dubbletjies
[18:05] <inetpro> ai!
[18:05] <Kilos> hehe
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: if you don't use it don't install it
[18:06] <Kilos> i dunno what its supposed to do. so i asked. had to get it in unity for some reason
[18:06] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:09] <Kilos> something killed 3g had to put modem in another port
[19:09] <Kilos> ai!
[19:10] <Kilos> lo Banlam bakuman
[19:11] <Kilos> shame poor old langjan sukkels with 12.10 unity and his wife is happy with 12.04 kubuntu
[19:11] <Kilos> surely theres a message there
[19:33] <smile4ever> bye :)
[19:33] <Kilos> toods smile4ever sleep tight
[19:34] <smile4ever> thanks Kilos good night
[19:34] <smile4ever> :)
[19:38] <Kilos> night all sleep tight.
[19:39] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys
[19:39] <Maaz_> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys
[20:06] <Vince-0> peace out!


[00:52] <zul> can someone unbock nova-compute-lxd please it fixes container networking with 0.7?
[07:08] <Fr3llD> no release party here?
[07:08] <wxl> Fr3llD: #ubuntu+1 and it's not ready yet :)
[07:10] <Fr3llD> so.. i ddg a bit but i can't find any release _time_
[07:10] <wxl> Fr3llD: yeah, it's more that it happens when it happens
[07:10] <Fr3llD> im a newbie ubuntu, but im quite a fan in just a few months..
[07:10] <wxl> yay! time to become a contributor :)
[07:10] <Fr3llD> it not related to a time zone or something?
[07:11] <wxl> kind of but no
[07:11] <wxl> we have a reolving membership of release team members around the world
[07:11] <wxl> so the release date can change somewhat
[07:11] <Fr3llD> im about to make my first contribution on github.. till now i just contributed in buying t-shirts.. ;-)
[07:11] <infinity> slangasek: livecd-rootfs isn't on images, so as long as you're 200% positive your changes don't affect other people, it's safe to let it in.
[07:11] <wxl> heheheh
[07:12] <wxl> i didn't mean monetary contributions but helping!
[07:12] <infinity> slangasek: And, indeed, looks entirely safe, letting it in.
[07:13] <Fr3llD> @wxl, i know.. but im not a programmer or coder, just a user and thats hard after 20 years of M$
[07:13] <wxl> Fr3llD: perfect opportunity to help other newbies, write documentation, or just demonstrate ubutnu to the rest of the world
[07:15] <wxl> Fr3llD: there's also things like reporting and confirming bugs
[07:15] <wxl> Fr3llD: there's a way for EVERYONE to contribute
[07:16] <wxl> Fr3llD: needless to say i see the uk contingent is active here, so we will see release today! :)
[07:16] <Fr3llD> u r right, but i found out that there is a great communiity  that already did a lot, all  the help i needed was easy to find on askubuntu!
[07:16] <wxl> Fr3llD: yep and it was there because people contributed. there's always more to do!
[07:18] <Fr3llD> im going to.. i was about to make my first bugreport on github, so thats my first start.. but i want to make a good effort to report a bug properly and give some troubleshoot hints with it.
[07:19] <wxl> Fr3llD: feel free to ping me if you need help on it. i can help you tie that assumedly upstream bug report to a downstream report on ubuntu. sounds like you might make a good bug triager :)
[07:21] <wxl> on that note i'm going to go to sleep!
[07:21] <Fr3llD> whats a bug triager?
[07:21] <Fr3llD> nevermind, goto sleep!
[07:22] <wxl> Fr3llD: here's your homework https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage
[07:22]  * wxl disappears
[07:38] <jamespage> infinity, I've verified that zul's nova-compute-lxd upload for bug 1447128 resolved the networking issue described - please could it be accepted?
[08:02] <infinity> jamespage: Yup.
[08:19] <Riddell> are we nearly there yet?
[08:31] <infinity> Riddell: Things are looking good.  Need to do publishing and release notes dances and the like, but things look on track.
[08:40] <Fr3llD> nice
[08:40] <Fr3llD> this is really kewl btw, im new to ubuntu but its really kewl to see this up close.. *ill be quiet now*
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Do you have a rough ETA for release?
[09:36] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Aiming for mid-afternoon London time, ish.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Great!
[09:38] <Riddell> just in time for a cup of tea
[11:09] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Cloud images are ready to go.
[11:14] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Ta.
[11:56] <maclin> infinity: hi, the ubuntu kylin is still on the state: re-building, there must be some problem, could you help to confrim that ?
[12:24] <infinity> maclin: It's built.
[12:25] <infinity> maclin: It took a while longer than normal, for some odd reason.
[12:31] <flexiondotorg> infinity, How you holding up? :)
[12:32] <ogra_> are we there yet ?
[12:32] <ogra_> :P
[12:32] <maclin> infinity: yep, we are syncing the image now, thanks a lot :)
[12:34] <Fr3llD> nice! release party? ;-)
[12:35] <ogra_> Fr3llD, yeah, in #ubuntu-release-party :)
[13:42] <Riddell> ... silence...
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> ... a clock ticks sonorously in the background ...
[13:59] <mdeslaur> infinity: can I publish stuff to vivid-security now, or do I need to wait some more?
[14:02] <infinity> mdeslaur: You can.
[14:02] <mdeslaur> infinity: cool, thanks
[14:04] <infinity> Riddell: Couple of small speed bumps, working it all out now.
[14:04] <infinity> (And anyone else complaining about ticking clocks)
[14:50] <utlemming> infinity: ready for Cloud Images to go public?
[14:55] <slangasek> infinity: hi - what are "1.0 bits" you refer to in mail?
[14:55] <slangasek> is that ubuntu-core-launcher?
[14:55] <slangasek> it certainly seems we do want that
[14:56] <infinity> slangasek: ubuntu-core-launcher and ubuntu-snappy
[14:57] <infinity> utlemming: It's not world-ending if you push yours before I push here, I'm still sorting out the last snappy bits.
[14:57] <slangasek> ok
[14:57] <slangasek> infinity: so I'm withdrawing the previously-generated images, we'll have new ones soon
[14:58] <infinity> slangasek: Also, I gave you the wrong filenames for your images.  Derp.  Subarches should be arch+subarch, not arch-subarch.  I published to the + location and symlinked so the links in the docs still work.
[14:58] <slangasek> yeah, noticed that
[14:59] <infinity> slangasek: Oh look, more stuff in the queue.  Do you need those too? :/
[14:59] <slangasek> infinity: not that I've been told
[14:59] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: We're pulling the cloud triggers now.
[15:00] <infinity> slangasek: Can you sort that out and let me know ASAP?  We can squeeze them in before the archive closes if they're absolutely needed, but time's basically run out.
[15:03] <slangasek> infinity: working on it
[15:09] <slangasek> infinity: ubuntu-core-config should go in
[15:10] <slangasek> infinity: and ubuntu-core-launcher also
[15:11] <infinity> slangasek: core-launcher was in ages ago.
[15:11] <slangasek> infinity: sorry, I meant ubuntu-snappy
[15:11] <infinity> slangasek: What was in the queue was ubuntu-core-config (accepted now), and ubuntu-snappy.
[15:12] <infinity> slangasek: Okay, both accepted.  Will babysit them through.
[15:12] <infinity> slangasek: And I plan to close the archive after this unless someone screams Very Loudly.
[15:12] <slangasek> infinity: ok, sounds good from my side
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Is 2016-01-30 the correct EOL date for vivid?
[15:15] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: I haven't set one, but distro-info-data claims 2016-01-23, which is exactly 9mo.
[15:15] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: And "exactly 9mo" is the right thing to advertise, since if we can always extend, but we won't make it shorter.
[15:16] <slangasek> infinity: and at the end, the decision is that the prebuilt images we'll ship for the stable channel are the ones I already gave you from last night, with everything else picked up via the channel update
[15:17] <slangasek> infinity: so snappy shouldn't be a blocker for image publication now
[15:17] <infinity> slangasek: \o/
[15:18] <infinity> slangasek: Well, now that I've accepted and unblocked this stuff, I'll let it all migrate before I close the archive, but I can send out the ISO announcement nowish.
[15:18] <infinity> slangasek: If you want to replace those images with ones built from the final state of the release pocket, do let me know later.  We can do that.
[15:20]  * slangasek nods
[15:23] <ogra_> infinity, hey, where is the announce in #ubuntu-release-party !
[15:24] <bdmurray> infinity: shall I make the meta-release changes?
[15:35] <U1510nameseeker> Congratulations! What's the name for Ubuntu WW?
[15:36] <infinity> U1510nameseeker: A mystery.
[15:36] <ogra_> we'Re waiting for it too :)
[15:36] <U1510nameseeker> Oh?
[15:36] <U1510nameseeker> How is it decided? How will we find out?
[15:36] <ogra_> would be funny to call it warty warthog :)
[15:37] <infinity> ogra_: Wartier.
[15:37] <U1510nameseeker> Why would that be funny?
[15:37] <ogra_> finishing a loop
[15:37] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[15:37] <ogra_> U1510nameseeker, mark decides the names and he will blog once he made that decision ... watch planet.ubuntu.com, it will show up there
[15:39] <U1510nameseeker> So does this mean all development is frozen because it's impossible to push any new things because the name is unknown?
[15:39] <U1510nameseeker> Mark?
[15:39] <ogra_> shuttleworth
[15:39] <U1510nameseeker> Who's that?
[15:39] <ogra_> try google :)
[15:39] <U1510nameseeker> I can't, I'm in Google right now
[15:40] <elfy> infinity cyphermox - thanks for your help during this cycle
[15:40] <U1510nameseeker> A search will disconnect me
[15:40] <cyphermox> elfy: no worries. I didn't do that much :)
[15:40] <elfy> well - saying - ooh nasty, I'll look - meant a lot to me :D
[15:44] <cjwatson> U1510nameseeker: development's hardly frozen, lots happens in branches anyway until it's ready to land, and in practice people usually take a bit of a break after release
[15:44] <cjwatson> U1510nameseeker: it's not ideal to be stuck without a name, but it's not a disaster as long as it doesn't go on too long
[15:46] <U1510nameseeker> What would happen if this mark guy got hit by a bus now?
[15:46] <davmor2> infinity: should there be an update on ubuntu.com ?  currently it still seems to say download 14.10
[15:46] <ogra_> we might all be jobless then ...
[15:47] <cjwatson> U1510nameseeker: then we'd come up with a different procedure; I'm reasonably sure that (a) there are contingency plans in place (b) the release name is just about the least of the concerns
[15:48] <U1510nameseeker> Ah, he does more than name versions?
[15:49] <cjwatson> U1510nameseeker: Mark is Canonical's founder
[15:49] <sil2100> infinity: hey! could you drop unity8 from the unaproved queue?
[15:49] <sil2100> Oh, thanks :)
[15:49] <cjwatson> that's why he gets to name stuff
[15:49] <sil2100> Actually someone just did
[15:49] <infinity> sil2100: pitti did, after I told him to.
[15:49] <infinity> Best.  Minion.  Ever.
[15:50] <smb> Banana?
[15:50] <pitti> sil2100: yes, that looked like a misfire to me
[15:50] <ogra_> for size ?
[15:50] <pitti> sil2100: I supposed it sohuld have gotten to the overlay PPA?
[15:50] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, sometimes it's easy to miss out on that especially when there are spreadsheet issues ;)
[15:51] <pitti> sil2100: no worries :)
[15:51] <sil2100> pitti: sorry for that one!
[15:52] <cyphermox> smb: Banana!
[15:52] <ogra_> for size ?
[15:54] <davmor2> pitti: don't stand for infinity calling you a minion, you need to sit for that kinda insult
[15:57] <pitti> davmor2: what? I've been his minion all week :)
[15:57] <flexiondotorg> infinity, cyphermox - Thanks for your help :)
[15:58] <davmor2> pitti: and for how much of that time have you been sitting?
[15:58] <cjwatson> davmor2: speak for yourself, I *like* being a minion
[15:59] <davmor2> cjwatson: minion is easier than leader :D  Less meeting too :)
[16:12] <tjaalton> infinity: so should we poke lts-vivid backports next week?
[16:14] <Riddell> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release hasn't updated yet?
[16:14] <infinity> tjaalton: We should, yes.
[16:14] <infinity> Riddell: Indeed it hasn't.
[16:15] <infinity> bdmurray: Can you twiddle meta-release for me?
[16:15] <bdmurray> infinity: yep
[16:16] <tjaalton> infinity: ok, i've pushed xtrans, libdrm (new on armhf), llvm-toolchain-3.6 (new) and xserver (new) already, though xserver won't build before mesa is uploaded and built..
[16:17] <tjaalton> upgrade/downgrade on the staging ppa works
[16:18] <slangasek> infinity: congrats :)
[16:21] <bdmurray> infinity: done
[16:21] <infinity> bdmurray: Ta.
[16:22] <cjwatson> have we flipped the ddebs switch yet
[16:22] <cjwatson> ?
[16:22] <infinity> cjwatson: Nein.
[16:22] <cjwatson> slackers
[16:23] <cjwatson> thought you said the plan was five minutes after release :)
[16:23] <ogra_> bdmurray, flavours too ? someone in #u-r-p complains mate isnt updating yet
[16:23] <bdmurray> ogra_: its the same meta-release file and I literally just did it
[16:24] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:24] <cjwatson> ogra_: probably caches
[16:24] <ogra_> yeah
[16:25] <bdmurray> .cache/update-manager-core/meta-release
[16:27] <infinity> cjwatson: "Five minutes after release" is a bit of a flexible time...
[16:28] <Odd_Bloke> He didn't mean five of your Earth minutes.
[16:29] <cjwatson> oh, silly me
[16:33] <cjwatson> Proportionally-scaled Venusian minutes give you until about 11:34 UTC tomorrow.
[16:33] <apw>  i don't want to know what a venusion FTE costs per year
[16:34] <cjwatson> Depends whether the contract drafter was foresighted enough to specify it in terms of years rather than days
[16:34] <cjwatson> (The Venusian day is slightly longer than the Venusian year)
[16:34] <pitti> beer time!
[16:34] <cjwatson> And it rotates backwards.  Weird planet
[22:04] <doko> please could somebody accept the final gccgo-5 5.1.0 release as long as buildds are idle?


[00:01] <Riddell> poke rgreening, nixternal, seele, tonio kubuntu session
[00:04] <NCommander> Riddell, do you mind if I upload a python-qt4 package?
[00:05]  * NCommander notes that we have a bit of an issue with KDE libs and ARM and a possible transition ...
[00:05] <Riddell> NCommander: not if it fixes things
[00:05] <jjesse> Riddell:
[00:06] <NCommander> Riddell, wait, what?
[00:08] <Riddell> NCommander: if you fix things uploading the fix is good :)
[00:08] <NCommander> But you just said if it fixes things, don't upload :-P
[00:08] <NCommander> Riddell, anyway, I'm having ARM build issues ... again
[00:11] <NCommander> Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive
[00:11] <NCommander> er
[00:11] <NCommander> er
[00:11] <Riddell> NCommander: I said I don't mind uploads if it fixes things
[00:16] <FireRabbit> directhex: hey, you there?
[00:16] <NCommander> Riddell, StevenK is doing a test build on real hardware for me
[00:19] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[00:19] <nixternal> pokey pokey
[00:20]  * DaSkreech pokes nixternal With stick of Doooooooooom
[00:20] <directhex> FireRabbit, ?
[00:21] <FireRabbit> hey there is a typo in qyoto.pc
[00:21] <FireRabbit> the libs path is wrong
[00:22] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: If you agree, just push it in bzr and I'll merge it.
[00:22] <directhex> FireRabbit, i haven't touched it - i didn't think pusling took on my pc files0
[00:22] <FireRabbit> debian does not ship a pc file
[00:23] <FireRabbit> it needs to be added upstream.. but until then.. the package is broken for now
[00:24] <directhex> if the path is wrong in qyoto.pc, then it should be pretty trivial to fix
[00:25] <FireRabbit> yes should take 10 seconds :)
[00:26] <directhex> i don't have any of my bzr nonsense here on this box - easiest for you to fix
[00:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Somebodby pastebin me the diff and I'll get it in bzr
[00:32] <FireRabbit> ScottK-laptop: http://gist.github.com/33700
[00:33] <FireRabbit> hm you know that version needs to change too
[00:34] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: ^^ Do you agree with that change?
[00:34] <FireRabbit> (reload it)
[00:34] <ScottK-laptop> Why is the version 4.3/4.4?  I'd have expected 4.1 or 4.2?
[00:35] <FireRabbit> its qt 4.4
[00:35] <FireRabbit> i dont know why the install dir is kdebindings-4.4
[00:35] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  OK.  That almost makes sense.
[00:35]  * ScottK-laptop waits for confirmation from directhex.
[00:35] <directhex> FireRabbit, because the assembly version is <IP_ADDRESS> presumably
[00:35] <FireRabbit> yes the assembly version is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:36]  * ScottK-laptop still waits for confirmation.
[00:37] <directhex> i'm checking
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[00:38] <directhex> cp obj-*-linux-gnu*/lib/qt-dotnet.dll debian/libqyoto4.4-cil/usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-4.4/
[00:39] <directhex> okay, yes, that adds up then
[00:39] <ScottK-laptop> So I need to change rules too?
[00:42] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: ^^?
[00:43] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, no, that's from the build log
[00:43] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  OK.
[00:44] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, i.e. FireRabbit's change is needed to match that build log
[00:44] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: OK.  I'll make the change.
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: What's your actual name so I can credit you in debian/chanagelog
[00:48] <FireRabbit> Eric Butler
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[00:48] <FireRabbit> thanks for fixing it
[00:51] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: I'm not going to upload it right now (it's a big package to build).  I'm putting the change in bzr so it'll be in the next upload when we get to it.
[00:51] <FireRabbit> sounds good
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: txwikinger apparently has info on how to make python apps into kcm modules
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> or at least was pointed in that direction by sime :P
[00:53] <vorian> hai
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: y hello thar
[00:54] <vorian> how goes it JontheEchidna!
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> wishing I was at UDS
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:54] <vorian> yeah, me too!
[00:54] <vorian> stupid boss
[00:55] <DaSkreech> vorian: Ask your boss to come to Camp KDE :0
[00:56] <vorian> when is that?
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Jan
[00:56] <DaSkreech> http:// camp.kde.org
[00:58] <vorian> oh!
[00:58] <vorian> maybe
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> two people talking at once... confusing
[00:59] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: cool. That's awesome. I'll ping him on it
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: /me waves to everyone
[01:00] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: you listening?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> ya
[01:00] <rgreening> o/ waves back
[01:01] <ScottK-laptop> directhex and FireRabbit: Pushed up to revision 8.
[01:01] <ScottK-laptop> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/annotate/8?file_id=qyoto.pc-20081202130636-qf2gdt7wssmot037-52
[01:08] <DaSkreech> vorian: :-D
[01:19] <directhex> ScottK, good good
[01:30] <seele> rgreening: you should use a checkbox for the incoming traffic option
[01:32] <rgreening> seele: you mean for the default policy?
[01:34] <seele> for ufw-kde
[01:34] <rgreening> seele: possibly. That would clean up the UI a bit... only thing is it's not really an on/off conceptually.. so it may be confusing to the user...
[01:34] <seele> it's either or
[01:34] <seele> you allow incoming traffic or you dont
[01:34] <seele> on/off, yes/no, enabled/disabled
[01:34] <seele> checkboxes mean all that
[01:34] <seele> and they are opposite options
[01:36] <rgreening> seele: yeah... ok, let me have a look at that. I may need to do some re-wording to ensure the context and implications are clear. thanks
[01:36] <seele> sure, it's just a suggestion
[01:36] <rgreening> :)
[01:36] <stdin> anyone feel like fixing the KDE 4.1.80 -dev packages? :)
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> they're broken?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, file conflicts with pkg-kde-tools?
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> It's fixed in Jaunty.  I think it's just the PPA needs fixing.
[01:38] <stdin> I think they are, or it's my PPA that's broken
[01:38] <stdin> yeah, using the experimental PPA packages
[01:39] <stdin> problems with kdebase-workspace-dev
[01:39] <Riddell> anyone care about 4.1.3 in intrepid?
[01:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[01:40] <stdin> I'm still running 4.1.3, just building something in .80
[01:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I have to leave now to go recover $ELDEST_CHILD from work, but would be glad to discuss later.
[01:42] <DaSkreech> when isKDE 4.1.4 due ?
[01:43] <vorian> DaSkreech: tagging is wednesday
[01:43] <vorian> da10th :P
[01:43] <seele> DaSkreech: december 17th
[01:43] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:43] <DaSkreech> fells late
[01:43] <DaSkreech> feels
[01:45] <seele> no kidding.. feels like 9 *yawn*
[01:49] <jjesse-dell9> almost time for dinner some place
[01:50] <Riddell> ScottK: it's still in -proposed, it needs someone to comment on the bugs in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr that they're all good
[01:50] <Riddell> then poke pitti to copy it over
[01:53] <rgreening> seele: I updated and committed the UI change :) thanks. I think it will work better.
[01:53] <seele> rgreening: sweet
[01:55] <rgreening> seele: you know, I always ended up pronouncing pidgen "pigden" ... haha dont know why. Dyslexic
[01:56] <jjesse-dell9> its cause you are canadian eh
[01:56] <rgreening> I think I should write a clone called pigden. write it in perl so its completed unreadable
[01:56] <seele> rgreening: hmm.. i wonder if i pronounce the d or if i say it like pigeon
[01:57] <jjesse-dell9> i always ignore the d
[01:58] <rgreening> I miss my MSN in Kopete
[01:58] <jjesse-dell9> isnt there a thread on that on kubuntu-devel
[01:59] <rgreening> yep
[01:59] <seele> msn is broken in kopete?
[01:59] <rgreening> yep
[01:59] <jjesse-dell9> no plugin
[01:59]  * rgreening cries
[01:59] <jjesse-dell9> or something like that
[01:59] <seele> oh 4.2
[01:59] <seele> damn.. that sucks. i need msn for work
[02:01] <rgreening> yep. libmsn missing from debian
[02:02] <Riddell> I can sync that from incoming I guess
[02:02] <Riddell> except, we're just leaving
[02:02] <Riddell> someone remind me to do that tonight
[02:03] <Riddell> ** https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis
[02:04] <Riddell> please review ^^
[02:07] <DaSkreech> Adept
[02:28] <ScottK> Riddell: libmsn is in Debian New currently.
[02:35] <ScottK> Riddell: When I did this for 3.5.10 in Hardy I did one bug for the whole thing ....
[02:44] <ScottK> Riddell: They all have at least one "works for me" comment now.
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, looks like we have our work cut out for us for Jaunty
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> lots o' stuff to go after
[03:27] <Riddell> ScottK: pitti said it needed one bug per package, which seems daft t ome
[03:27] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent, I shall remind him over dinner to get it moved
[03:40] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Your mistake was asking in advance ...
[03:49] <Riddell> mmm
[03:50] <Riddell> we forgot to include apturl in our session today, we should make sure to get that in
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Would you please do the sync for mlt++ in Bug 306257?  I need it as a build-dep for getting kdenlive to the KDE4 version.
[06:08] <Riddell> evening jpds
[15:10]  * a|wen finally got his MSN support back in kopete, yay!
[16:39] <glade88> JontheEchidna: I cannot reproduce it.. Shall I mark it as "fixed released" ?
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack
[17:10] <apachelogger> mcas: pong
[17:10] <mcas> apachelogger: hi
[17:11] <mcas> sorry to late apachelogger
[17:12] <apachelogger> meh :P
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> glade88: ya, you can mark it fixed
[17:16] <glade88> JontheEchidna: ok :)
[17:29] <cbr> the system settings module for nepomuk and strigi says that the "strigi service is not running"
[17:29] <cbr> how should i enable it?
[17:29] <smarter> don't
[17:29] <smarter> just don't :P
[17:29] <cbr> why
[17:30] <smarter> because I've never seen strigi running without using all your CPU and creating really big cache
[17:30] <smarter> and that currently there is almost no way to use it
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> truths^
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I have had a multiple GiB cache come from enabling strigi
[17:31] <smarter> I think krunner might let you search for files if strigi is enabled, but that's it, and it probably does not work great too
[17:31] <smarter> (krunner=ALT+F2)
[17:37] <cbr> WTF
[17:37] <cbr> i didnt change anything @ krunner options
[17:37] <cbr> just viewed them
[17:37] <cbr> but it broke something
[17:37] <cbr> it displays some excessive popup on the side
[17:37] <cbr> that's really annoying
[17:39] <cbr> WTF
[17:39] <cbr> how did that just happen
[17:39] <cbr> it looks like a feature or smth, cuz it looks designed
[17:40] <cbr> but no way did i enable something
[17:40] <smarter> it's quicksand
[17:40] <smarter> (I guess)
[17:40] <smarter> configure --> user interface --> command oriented
[17:41] <cbr> no, i tried it, but then turned back to the "command oriented" stuff
[17:41] <smarter> to get back to the normal stuff
[17:41] <cbr> but those popups now appear beside the normal stuff
[17:41] <cbr> go try it
[17:42] <cbr> oh god :/
[18:26] <Nightrose> someone please ping me when rgreeneg shows up
[18:27] <NCommander> Nightrose, he's here in the room somewhere
[18:28] <Nightrose> NCommander: ah tell him i talked to someone yesterday also interested in a good twitter client - probably a good idea to work together
[18:30] <apachelogger> collaboration--
[18:30] <apachelogger> causes less clearity in copyright :P
[19:27] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: Amarok is not listed as a supported player on icecast.com.  It's working great for me to listen to UDS stuff.  Someone from Amarok might want to disucss that with them.
[19:27] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: amarok 1 or 2?
[19:28] <ScottK-laptop> Amarok 1.
[19:28] <Nightrose> ok thx
[19:28] <ScottK-laptop> I'm using the released Intrepid package.
[19:28] <Nightrose> ok
[19:28] <DaSkreech> Why wouldn't it work?
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> It would and does, but it's not listed as a supported player.
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: UDS stuff?
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> http://icecast.ubuntu.com/
[19:30] <apachelogger> nice
[19:30] <apachelogger> nowadays, everyone got icecast because that fluendo stuff is not working :P
[19:31] <DaSkreech> Dirac!!
[19:32] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: looks more like a video codec?
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Ah right :) I just remember it being Open source DRM
[19:34] <jjesse-dell9> lot of discussion on installer on identi.ca follow udsdesktop right now
[19:34] <jjesse-dell9> also gobby page, connect to gobby.ubuntu.com
[19:37] <DaSkreech> What should I subscribe to?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Anyone on enabling trusted third party repositories?
[19:38] <jjesse-dell9> kubuntu jaunty installer or something like that
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Which brings me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Is that official? ^^^
[19:39] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: more offical then before
[19:39] <apachelogger> *than
[19:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm on all the kubuntu stuff :-) I meant anything else interesting
[19:39]  * apachelogger needs to review the source again
[19:40] <DaSkreech> So should I be on the third party repository gobby discussion so that we can look at supporting community KDE3 ?
[19:40] <apachelogger> if someone can monitor the ppa, that is not much of a problem
[19:40] <apachelogger> but apparently no one has time for that
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Well that would be the >trusted< part of the repository
[19:41] <DaSkreech> At what point do we trust them?
[19:44] <apachelogger> well, this should have planed better... IMHO they are trusted when >=MOTU monitors the changes and is able to kick stuff out (i.e. has upload rights)
[19:44] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: does that come with setting up a PPA ?
[19:45] <apachelogger> if you set it up for a team, yes, but that ppa is setup for a user
[19:45] <apachelogger> so the upload part doesn't apply
[19:46] <DaSkreech> hmm ok
[19:47] <DaSkreech> Maybe we can ask if they would like to be a team effort?
[19:48] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: we already contacted once, but I had to leave so I couldn't participate in the discussion
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Can someone change the session to kubuntu-jaunty-installer :)
[19:49] <DaSkreech> instead of kunbuntu ?
[19:49] <apachelogger> evil typo
[19:53] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there still plans for edubuntu-desktop-kde ?
[19:53] <apachelogger> rgreening: KDE 4 got it's own space indicater, which is by design superior to the cairo one, you'd just need to add multi-color support to the widget
[19:54] <DaSkreech> It's still in Ibex but is it still just you maintaining it?
[19:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: not really
[19:59] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[19:59] <DaSkreech> No plans for marble in kunbuntu installer?
[20:00] <Riddell> marble in installer would be cool but not actually at all useful to anyone and takes up space on the CD
[20:00] <seele> would be a bit overkill
[20:00] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[20:00] <nixternal> sorry I missed the Kubuntu packaging one, I was following the archive reorg which != fun
[20:00] <DaSkreech> Well all I want is that when you click it zooms in
[20:00] <DaSkreech> that's neat in Gnome but never happened in KDE
[20:01] <apachelogger> it's not neat in gnome
[20:01] <apachelogger> it is the worst possible implementation of zoom IMHO
[20:05] <rgreening> apachelogger: cool. I'll ad it.
[20:06] <Riddell> yeah their zoom in is horrible
[20:06] <Riddell> it should work far more sanely
[20:07] <rgreening> Nightrose: ping
[20:07] <Riddell> it's only people who live in the caribbean who need zoom in really
[20:07] <Nightrose> rgreening: pong
[20:07] <rgreening> hey Nightrose
[20:07] <Nightrose> haha Riddell
[20:08] <Nightrose> having fun at uds?
[20:08] <rgreening> Nightrose: yes
[20:08] <rgreening> :)
[20:08] <Nightrose> meanies!
[20:08] <Nightrose> wanna be there as well
[20:08] <rgreening> to bad you weren't here to bug :P
[20:08] <Nightrose> :(
[20:08] <Nightrose> but well i got to spend a weekend in the kde office instead :P
[20:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think the primary usecase is for people with visual impairment
[20:08] <Nightrose> that was much more fun i am sure
[20:09] <rgreening> hehe
[20:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: more geeks = more fun
[20:09] <Nightrose> rgreening: anyway... - the kde office manager's bf is a mac guy - and we managed to make him want to contribute to kde
[20:09] <ScottK-laptop> Might ask TheMuso for a usability review then.
[20:09] <Nightrose> rgreening: and the thing he wants to do is a twitter client using the ruby bindings
[20:09] <Nightrose> he is a real twitter addict so i think that will work out fine
[20:10] <Nightrose> wanna join him?
[20:11] <Nightrose> oh and he installed kubuntu yesterday
[20:11] <Nightrose> \o/
[20:11] <rgreening> Nightrose: cool.
[20:12] <rgreening> Nightrose: there exists one in python gtk, so I was going to look at using that...
[20:12] <Riddell> doen't plasma already have a twitter client?
[20:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: it is horrible
[20:12] <rgreening> Riddell: it's bad
[20:12] <rgreening> :)
[20:12] <jjesse-dell9> gwibber is a much better client for twitter/identi.ca
[20:12] <Nightrose> rgreening: let me get you his twitter nick then you can msg him - sec
[20:12] <rgreening> Riddell: although, someone with commit to kde could update with patches I suppose... if I fixed it
[20:13] <jjesse-dell9> but gwibber is gtk only
[20:13] <rgreening> jjesse-dell9: yes, it would need porting to qt/kde
[20:13] <Nightrose> jjesse-dell9: segfault is looking for someone to do a Qt frontend
[20:13] <rgreening> jjesse-dell9: which is what I was thinkin
[20:14] <Nightrose> rgreening: http://twitter.com/purzelrakete <- that is the guy
[20:14] <rgreening> cool
[20:14] <Nightrose> rgreening: tell him i send you then he'll know :)
[20:14] <rgreening> ok
[20:17] <ScottK> NCommander: How goes python-qt4 porting?
[20:19] <mcasadevall> ScottK-laptop: I've done some work, I'm waiting on StevenK to finish a build for me.
[20:19] <ScottK> OK.
[20:21] <mcasadevall> mcasadevall: for the time being, I"m on this nick, my NCommande r session is currently on the projector
[20:23] <nixternal> NCommander: why are you using xfce?
[20:23] <nixternal> oops, just made the projector blink :p
[20:24] <nixternal> thank goodness there wasn't a libnotify popup on that one :)
[20:24] <mcasadevall> nixternal: I've always used Xfce ...
[20:25] <apachelogger> ...
[20:25] <apachelogger> I am cold
[20:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: I will keep you warm!
[20:25] <mcasadevall> I switch to GNOME and KDE
[20:25] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[20:25] <mcasadevall> But Xfce been my main desktop for a very long time.
[20:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you are now my usecase for the installer spec :)
[20:28] <DaSkreech> heehee :)
[20:29] <DaSkreech> I live in the Caribbean :)
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Hey :0
[20:29] <Riddell> exactly
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Isn't there a libgwibber?
[20:30]  * apachelogger saddles his pony to get some tea
[20:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you see my question from cprov?
[20:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you see my answer :P
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack
[20:37] <Riddell> yes that would seem nice
[20:38] <mcasadevall> apachelogger: you could stage in your personal PPA then copy
[20:38]  * mcasadevall does that with Xfce updates
[20:38] <apachelogger> mcasadevall: people also use my personal PPA
[20:38] <mcasadevall> apachelogger: so make another group :-)
[20:38]  * mcasadevall runs
[20:38]  * DaSkreech talks here since the gobby server is dead :(
[20:39] <apachelogger> :P
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Is wifi part of the catch up?
[20:39] <apachelogger> wifi?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[20:39] <apachelogger> catch up?
[20:39] <apachelogger> /usr/bin/batl10n:58:in `initialize': No such file or directory - ./debian/control (Errno::ENOENT)
[20:39] <DaSkreech> wasn't there a problem with static IPs in Ibex?
[20:39] <Riddell> that's covered by having new networkmanager plasmoid
[20:39] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: the Gobby server writeups
[20:39] <apachelogger> batl10n is clearly using too many vars
[20:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you take a look at it recently? it seems to be coming along quite nicely
[20:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: I havn't no
[20:40] <apachelogger> very recommendable :)
[20:41] <apachelogger> maybe we should snapshot a package
[20:48] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I added a mention of apturl to the spec wiki
[20:49] <apachelogger> so, which icecast stream would I want to listen to?
[20:50] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: which page?
[20:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm in xorg config, other people are in ubiquity
[20:52]  * apachelogger needs to turn up the volume
[20:52] <ScottK-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[20:57] <Riddell> proofing needed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyInstaller
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: "he uses he new map to select it."
[22:13] <jjesse-dell9> seele: you hanging out in the plenary?
[22:14] <Riddell> what's US English for cobbler?
[22:14] <jjesse-dell9> shoe maker?
[22:15] <Riddell> actually cobbler seems to work
[22:16] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[22:16] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[22:17] <NCommander> Riddell, I finally have an armel emulator going (ogra gave me the necessary tip to get things going)
[22:17] <NCommander> I can now actually build things in less than a day!
[22:17] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yes, i think julian is doing the desktop experience talk thing
[22:17] <jjesse-dell9> seele: ah trying to stay awake through the rest of the stuff then
[22:18] <Riddell> NCommander: yay
[22:18] <Riddell> UDS dudes: going to the computer museum trip?
[22:18] <NCommander> Riddell, I'm thinking about it
[22:19] <jjesse-dell9> yes i am
[22:20] <jjesse-dell9> excited for it
[22:21] <NCommander> Riddell, anyway, I have some things I need sponsored soonish
[22:21] <NCommander> How long until the next KDE 4.1 alpha?
[22:21] <NCommander> Because now that I can *gasp* compile things at decent speeds ...
[22:22] <Riddell> you mean 4.2?
[22:22] <NCommander> er, 4.2
[22:22] <NCommander> yeah
[22:22] <Riddell> beta 2 tagged today alledgedly
[22:27] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yeah.. i'm back to doing some work for a bit
[22:28] <jjesse-dell9> me too trying to stay awake
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Isn't 4.2 already out of Alpha?
[22:29] <Riddell> yes
[22:30] <devinheitmueller> Riddell: did you ever have any success getting Kaffeine 0.8.7 to build for jaunty?
[22:34] <Riddell> devinheitmueller: I havn't looked at it I'm afraid
[22:34] <Riddell> was on holiday and now at the ubuntu summit
[22:34] <devinheitmueller> ah.
[22:34] <devinheitmueller> I'm just getting increasingly nervous since 0.8.7 missed the Intrepid window too.
[22:35] <devinheitmueller> There are lots of US users trying to do ATSC scanning, which wasn't available until 0.8.7
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> I'm a Kaffeine developer and not an Kubuntu, but is there anything I can do to help?
[22:36] <Riddell> keep poking us :)
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> Do you know when the merge window closes?
[22:36] <Riddell> a while yet
[22:37] <devinheitmueller> We were planning a release that provide s2api support, but it won't work until kernel 2.6.28 is released.  Do you know what kernel Jaunty is planning on including?
[22:37] <Riddell> FeatureFreeze Feb 19th
[22:37] <devinheitmueller> Please forgive my general Ubuntu ignorance.
[22:38] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, but isn't there a debian import freeze that is earlier?
[22:38] <Riddell> that's just the automatic importer
[22:38] <Riddell> kaffeine needs done by hand anyway since we have our own changed (codec installer)
[22:38] <devinheitmueller> Ah, ok.
[22:39] <Riddell> jaunty currently has linux 2.6.28-2.3
[22:40] <devinheitmueller> Ah.
[22:40] <devinheitmueller> Hmmm....  It would be great if we could get the yet unreleased 0.8.8 in since that has the s2api and other fixes, but I don't want you guys to have to do the work twice.
[22:41] <Riddell> let me see if I can get kaffeine merged before the next session
[22:41] <devinheitmueller> Pardon, I am unfamiliar with the terminology.  What do you mean by "session"?
[22:42] <jjesse-dell9> we are at a developer summit, Riddell is between sessions at the summit
[22:42] <devinheitmueller> Oh, duh.  Sorry.
[22:42] <jjesse-dell9> no worries
[22:42] <devinheitmueller> I was thinking perhaps "session" was Ubuntu code for "release merge window".  :-)
[22:43]  * NCommander waits on QEMU ...
[22:43] <devinheitmueller> Riddell:  Ok.  Thanks!
[22:47] <Riddell> oh, I remember, I was doing the kaffeine merge but XInput.h had disappeared
[22:47] <Riddell> so it's all the fault of those X packagers
[22:47] <seele> WHAT?
[22:47] <seele> i sat in here for nothing?
[22:47] <seele> grr
[22:48] <Hobbsee> why, what's happening there?
[22:48] <seele> some talk on python
[22:48] <seele> it looks like tomorrows scheduled talk
[22:48] <devinheitmueller> Riddell: oh?  Well, that's good to know.
[22:49] <Riddell> "Need to get 327MB/327MB of archives."  hmm, might take some time
[22:49] <Hobbsee> ah, darn
[22:50] <NCommander> Riddell, that's been fixed for awhile
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> seele: you and me both
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> argh
[22:51] <Riddell> yeah, I expected so
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> now i dont know what to go to next
[22:52] <jjesse-dell9> someplace with a power plug
[22:52] <jjesse-dell9> seele: have you picked up your staff shirt yet?  heading to community room to gather mine
[22:52] <seele> jjesse-dell9: where is the community room?
[22:53] <jjesse-dell9> ummm in the other builing
[22:53] <jjesse-dell9> dia room
[22:53] <Riddell> I'd make a joke about seele wearing blue but I'm afraid she might scowel at me
[22:53] <seele> :P
[22:53] <seele> jjesse-dell9: ok.. i'm going to walk over and get it too
[22:54] <jjesse-dell9> ok see you there
[22:57]  * DaSkreech whispers to seele at least make sure your toothbrush is a different colour
[23:05] <seele> nixternal: let me know how the upstream session goes.. this desktop session might not be interesting
[23:05] <seele> or at least, relevant to anything we do
[23:10] <DaSkreech> is anyone going to Asus per chance?
[23:10] <jjesse-dell9> seele: how much of this desktop stuff is going to be gnome only?
[23:10] <jjesse-dell9> seems like most?
[23:10] <DaSkreech> jjesse-dell9: 99.361 percent?
[23:11] <jjesse-dell9> probablly
[23:11] <DaSkreech> There is a Colloboration section as to how to unify the different Ubuntu flavours on Gobby
[23:11] <DaSkreech>  Don't know if that's a talk or not
[23:11] <nixternal> seele: so far so good on the upstream project...it is more upstream bug contact related
[23:13] <jjesse-dell9> did someone just say "as long as we dont break it too bad?"
[23:17] <DaSkreech> >_<
[23:23] <jjesse-dell9> seele: those are all gnome apps
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Gnome == Desktop
[23:24] <jjesse-dell9> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/notifications
[23:24] <jjesse-dell9> and then in the main txt file they are all main
[23:25] <jjesse-dell9> meant they are all gnome
[23:26] <jjesse-dell9> kubuntu jaunty documentation is next session
[23:29] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yes.. but they are talking about other stuff too
[23:30] <seele> and it is good to know what they are doing about notifications
[23:31] <jjesse-dell9> is there a kde4 port of konverstation yet?
[23:33] <jjesse-dell9> kde apps to use knotify if it supports it