[00:00] <amd-64> just wondered do i really need the alternate cd?, will i be missing alot of multi-media software?
[00:01] <ardchoille> amd-64: the desktop and alternate cd's are the same, the only difference is the gui
[00:01] <Elgordo123> amd-64:  --nevermind- ardchoille got it :)
[00:01] <ardchoille> alternate is text-based
[00:01] <genii> amd-64: The system it installs is identical to the livecd. However, because it does not have an operating system running from the cd, there is room for more drivers which makes it less likely to experience install issues
[00:01] <weedar> ardchoille: really? In Hardy you needed the alternate cd to install to an encrypted filesystem, though that might have changed now..
[00:01] <Elgordo123> amd-64: as far as "Extra" stuff, it's best to download it from repos, then you know your getting the latest anyway..
[00:02] <amd-64> k thx, all wow alot of answers hehe
[00:02] <tuxs> hello
[00:02] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: good point
[00:02] <tuxs> Kubuntu 8.10 DVD Version included KDE4?orKDE3?
[00:03] <ardchoille> tuxs: no, it includes the same thing as the desktop iso and some additional packages
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> tuxs: KDE4
[00:03] <weedar> tuxs: It's all KDE4 from now on :)
[00:03] <xp-killer> how do i get in compiz room?
[00:03] <ardchoille> oh, read that wrong, sorry
[00:03] <weedar> xp-killer: /j #compiz
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> xp-killer: /join #compiz-fusion
[00:03] <beta-guy> what password do I put in when I type su in konsole?
[00:03] <weedar> beta-guy: the one you logged in with
[00:03] <ardchoille> beta-guy: sudo, not su, and you use your password
[00:03] <genii> beta-guy: UJse sudo -i     instead of su
[00:03] <xp-killer> witch one better fusion or compiz?
[00:03] <ardchoille> su won't work because the root account is locked
[00:03] <xp-killer> ? :s
[00:04] <beta-guy> tried it, it says authorization failed
[00:04] <tuxs> weedar:WOW!!
[00:04] <tuxs> JontheEchidna:very thx!
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> np
[00:04] <amd-64> is it only a bittorrent download?, i just wanted a normal one, torrent seems to take me longer,
[00:04] <Darthfrog> !sudo  | beta-guy
[00:05] <ardchoille> amd-64: torrents can start out looking like they will take longer but that goes down fast
[00:05] <beta-guy> why is it sudo, and not su?
[00:05] <ardchoille> beta-guy: because the root account is locked
[00:05] <ardchoille> !root
[00:05] <beta-guy> well how do I unlock root?
[00:06] <ardchoille> beta-guy: you don't, all you need is sudo
[00:06] <ardchoille> beta-guy: I've been using Ubuntu for years and have never needed to unlock root, everything can be done with sudo
[00:06] <genii> beta-guy: We don't help you with that because you can ork your system
[00:06] <genii> *bork
[00:06] <amd-64> k thx again all,  *sob* says bye to kde3 set up so right, hehe
[00:07] <ardchoille> beta-guy: everyone knows you have a root account and I can sit here all day trying to brute force it, but that isn't possible if root is locked, it an extra measure of protection
[00:08] <xp-killer> how do i know if im on feity gutsy ?.....
[00:08] <ardchoille> xp-killer: in a term type; lsb_release -a
[00:08] <genii> beta-guy: By the time you know enough about your system to understand how to unlock root, you should by then understand why not to
[00:08] <ardchoille> genii: :)
[00:09] <xp-killer> ardchoille: im seing 8.04 hardy is it that?
[00:10] <ardchoille> xp-killer: Yep, you're on Hardy, a good release :)
[00:10] <xp-killer> ardchoille: is it the last one?
[00:10] <ardchoille> xp-killer: the newest is 8.10, Intrepid Ibex
[00:10] <Darthfrog> genii: Convenience and security are trade-offs.  Forcing the use of sudo is the compromise that Ubuntu settled upon.  It's a good one.
[00:10] <xp-killer> ardchoille: is the 8.10 stable?
[00:11] <ardchoille> xp-killer: it goes like this: year.month = 8.10 (2008.October)
[00:11] <xp-killer> oh ok
[00:11] <ardchoille> xp-killer: That depends on who you talk to. I'll wait until 9.04 and see how kde4 is then
[00:11] <xp-killer> so every year on oct there a new version?
[00:11] <ardchoille> two times per year
[00:11] <genii> Darthfrog: It can be easily overcome. But the user should learn themselves and take responsibility for it, and not be recommended here to do it when they do not know the possible repercussions
[00:11] <Darthfrog> xp-killer: Every 6 months.  Next version is next April.
[00:11] <ardchoille> usually 04 and 10
[00:11] <xp-killer> ok
[00:12] <marekt> i saw this beautiful theme, how cain i install int in kde4? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Glassified?content=81388
[00:12] <xp-killer> ardchoille: i taught kd4 was finish already its being a year i havent touch linux befor i left it i heard about the kde4
[00:12] <ardchoille> that is a nice theme
[00:12] <Elgordo123> I've been using kde4 for about 2 months now without any problems.  I've installed 8.10 already
[00:12] <Darthfrog> genii: I was once told that I shouldn't tell anyone how to enable the root account unless I was willing to be here 24/7 to provide support.  That was enough for me! :-)  Sudo it is.
[00:13] <genii> Darthfrog: eXACTLY :)
[00:13] <genii> Bah, capslock :)
[00:13] <ardchoille> xp-killer: some folks find it good while others want to wait. try the livecd and see for yourself :)
[00:13] <Elgordo123> The only thing with kde4 is a few things they moved around... and the desktop icon difference.
[00:13] <xp-killer> ardchoille: gutsy is wat version?
[00:14] <ardchoille> xp-killer: 7.10?
[00:14] <zarlino> xp-killer: i'm installing a new pc, i have to say kde4 is far from complete
[00:14] <ardchoille> yeah, 7.10
[00:14] <xp-killer> k
[00:14] <Elgordo123> xp-killer?  In what way?  What dont you like about kde 4?
[00:14] <Elgordo123> Since 4.2 (or 4.12)?  came out it has been rock solid for me
[00:15] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: you meant that for zarlino?
[00:15] <xp-killer> Elgordo123: i never said i didnt like it im saying they are taken very long to bring it out
[00:15] <Elgordo123> oh
[00:15] <xp-killer> im back to a newbe level on linux
[00:15] <Elgordo123> Yes, they really shouldn't have announced it like they did.  That should have waited til 4.1
[00:15] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:15] <xp-killer> i forgot everything
[00:16] <ardchoille> xp-killer: well, kde4 is quite a jump from kde3.5.10
[00:16] <zarlino> Elgordo123: they should wait another 6 months :(
[00:16] <Elgordo123> I've been using linux for years.  The kicker for me was the last time outlook crashed and I got a virus and wiped out my porn.   That was MY turning point :)
[00:16] <xp-killer> k
[00:16] <yeltsinator> lol
[00:16] <xp-killer> what all i have to install to run compiz on my pc?
[00:17] <Darthfrog> The best thing I've heard about KDE 4 is that KDE is no longer playing catch-up on the desktop, it's now innovating.  I can hardly wait to see what the guys come up with in the future.
[00:17] <yeltsinator> God invented the NAS for just such a situation Elgordo123;)
[00:17] <genii> xp-killer: Basically just comoiz itself and the settings manager
[00:17] <genii> *compiz
[00:17] <Elgordo123> yeltsinator:   Got that now too! :)
[00:17]  * yeltsinator is in the process of moving files from his old 3 TB file server to his new 7 TB file server
[00:18] <yeltsinator> 12 hours done, 505 GB of 2.9 TB done..
[00:18] <Elgordo123> Yikes, I'm just sitting here waiting for my 109 Gig's to restore from my backup to my fresh 8.10 install.   TB?'s  ouch
[00:18] <tarek_> hello
[00:18] <yeltsinator> It's going to take 70 hours, probably
[00:19] <Elgordo123> geez...
[00:19] <tarek_> how to connect to ESSID using terminal please?
[00:20] <genii> If he hadn't left so soon he might have gotten an answer
[00:20] <Elgordo123> doh... was just looking at my notes for wireless via terminal...
[00:21]  * genii 's notes for CLI wireless:   "man iwconfig"
[00:21] <Darthfrog> genii: And wpa_supplicant.
[00:22] <genii> Yes.
[00:22] <Elgordo123> Man.... why oh why did I untar all those files,  now I have to wait for my backup to copy over the tar AND the source...
[00:22] <Elgordo123> <-- Hits himself in forhead while saying "Stupid, Stupid"...
[00:24] <genii> Heh. the CLI wireless guy popped up again but in #ubuntu now
[00:25]  * Dashkal discovers the way to configure plasma themes
[00:25] <Dashkal> Ok, my desktop looks beautiful... now if only those things spanned into window decorations...
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: the big innovation of KDE4 will be being replaced by gnome for at least a year
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: on my new pc i mean
[00:27] <Darthfrog> zarlino: I don't follow?
[00:27] <zarlino> Darthfrog: sorry just ranting
[00:28] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Ah, I see.  Well, that's the thing about choice.  you get to make your own.
[00:28] <genii> I've found in general the X.2 releases of KDE to be the classic or so. 3.2 for example
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i used kde for years
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: 6 years at the least
[00:28]  * genii waits for 4.2
[00:28] <ubuntu> :)
[00:28] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i'm almost crying since i cannot use kde on my new pc
[00:29] <Darthfrog> Why not?
[00:29] <Elgordo123> i had an old laptop that wouldn't handle kde4 either.
[00:30] <zarlino> Darthfrog: no macosx style menubar, does not remember screen resolution, randomly switches back to oxygen theme, applets automatically align to fill the whole panel
[00:30] <Darthfrog> Elgordo123: You could always stay with KDE 3.5.  There's nothing wrong with it and it's very mature.
[00:30] <Elgordo123> But kde/gnome is like ford or chevy,   just personal preference.  I like that kde for me seems more integrated and more "slick".
[00:30] <Elgordo123> yeah i used 3.5 on it, but now it's on my list of things to do.. turn it into a digital picture frame...
[00:30] <zarlino> Darthfrog: putting the panel on the top covers that topright corner button
[00:31] <ardchoille> you can always use a window manager like fluxbox and then use kde apps there :)
[00:31] <ardchoille> That's probably what I'll  do
[00:31] <Darthfrog> zarlino: I'm sure that with the plasmoids you could get your Mac OS X style menubar.  And can you not use krandrtray to set your screen resolution?
[00:31] <Elgordo123> fluxbox is nice.  I use that as my desktop when I vnc into my computer from work.
[00:31] <genii> e17 is also good
[00:32] <Elgordo123> kde4 as main desktop, but then vncserver starts fluxbox .. sweet
[00:32] <ardchoille> genii: Aye, it is
[00:32] <weedar> Does firefox in Intrepid use qt or has it always looked like this?
[00:32] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, stay with KDE 3.5/Hardy.  There's no real necessity to upgrade to KDE 4/Intrepid, is there?
[00:32] <ardchoille> weedar: firefox is gtk, but there is a project in the works to port it to qt, but it's still alpha
[00:32] <zarlino> Darthfrog: too easy, i need newer apps
[00:32] <Elgordo123> I'm going to TRY to use konqueror instead of firefox and see how far I can get before I say to heck with it.
[00:32] <zarlino> Darthfrog: like inkscape, etc
[00:33] <ardchoille> Elgordo123: I lasted about 3 mintues with that
[00:33] <zarlino> Darthfrog: a useful pc is not just made of kde
[00:33] <tuxs> i want download link for Kubuntu 8.10 DVD Version!(Http or ftp!no Torrent!)Please...
[00:33] <Elgordo123> I probably will too!
[00:33] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, whatever works for you.  Is your install of Intrepid a new install or an upgrade of an existing system?
[00:33] <weedar> ardchoille: That's what I thought, but firefox looks different now..Right?
[00:34] <zarlino> Darthfrog: it is a new install on a cool fanless pc
[00:34] <ardchoille> weedar: I don't know, I don't use kde4
[00:34] <Darthfrog> tuxs: AFAIK, there are only CD ISO images, not DVD images.
[00:34] <weedar> ardchoille: I won't hold it against you
[00:34] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:34] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Sounds like a bad install.  Try it again?
[00:35] <supert0nes> don't cd images work on dvds?
[00:35] <zarlino> Darthfrog: i don't think so, i installed kubuntu so many times
[00:35] <zarlino> Darthfrog: this is buggy as hell
[00:35] <ardchoille> What do I need to be running in fluxbox for all of my kde apps to be using the kde styles/icons/windeco/etc ?
[00:36] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Well, file bug reports so that the developers know about your problems.
[00:36] <tuxs> Darthfrog:not DVD Ver?!!Why??what is this(http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/dvd/kubuntu-8.10-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent)
[00:36] <zarlino> Darthfrog: probably i will, but i feel it is so unprofessional to release this stuff on people
[00:37] <Elgordo123> you must be having some major problems their zarlino...
[00:37] <Darthfrog> tuxs: Hmm that's the first DVD image for Intrepid I've seen.
[00:37] <Darthfrog> zarlino: Please realise that your experience is not universal.  And any release is a trade-off.
[00:37] <Elgordo123> I tried the new mandrake a while back..   i really liked it.  but i prefer debian distros better
[00:38] <tuxs> Darthfrog::D
[00:38] <seba_> !es
[00:41] <marekt> h i tried co install new widgets from kde look, i stuck on "make",here is output http://pastebin.com/m570f22c3,please help
[00:41] <marekt> h i tried co install new widgets from kde look, i stuck on "make",here is output http://pastebin.com/m570f22c3 ,please help
[00:41] <genii> !repeat | marekt
[00:41] <ardchoille> marekt: First of all you should never compile as root
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> marekt: that plasmoid is too old
[00:42] <Elgordo123> I have a link on how to install *most* kde look widgets... i'll try to find it.
[00:42] <ardchoille> genii: he repeated because the url in the first one was borked
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> the email notify plasmoid is using the KDE 4.0.x api, and won't work with KDE 4.1 or newer
[00:43] <ardchoille> kde4 is going to disappoint a lot of people :(
[00:43] <genii> ardchoille: Yes, i see this now
[00:43] <ardchoille> genii: I didn't see it until firefox laughed at me :)
[00:43]  * genii hands marekt a coffee
[00:45] <Elgordo123> marekt:  I can't find the link.  It came from the ubuntu forums.  But here is what I have:
[00:45] <Elgordo123> untar, cd to that dir, mkdir build, cd build, cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`.., make then make install
[00:46] <xp-killer> genii: im seing the compiz settings but its not doing no affects
[00:47] <memeemeee> so I'm still unable to connect through eth0 using a static ip in kubuntu. I've manually set up my /etc/network/interfaces and did /etc/init.d/network restart. nothing doing. PLEASE HELP. I've been trying for days now and noone seems to have an answer
[00:47] <genii> xp-killer: For specifically Compiz assistance, they are better equipped to handle your queries in #compiz-fusion
[00:47] <memeemeee> dr_willis, !
[00:47] <memeemeee> problems reemerged in the network setup. if it's a typeo I can't see it
[00:48] <marekt> Elgordo123 doent this, and i failed at make step :(
[00:48] <nb72> I need help.  I can't boot after an upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10.  Stuck at BusyBox screen.  Grub seems to be configured ok.  I can boot into recovery mode using the old kernel and to the root console, but that's about it.
[00:48] <Elgordo123> yeah it only works on *some* which one are you trying?
[00:49] <maarten_> hi everyone, I just finished installing 8.10, looks great
[00:49] <Elgordo123> I did quickaccess, plasma-weather and it worked
[00:49] <genii> memeemeee: What are the symptoms? It works at first then later fails, or never works, or what? Please describe more clearly the xact problem as you are seeing it
[00:49] <maarten_> I have one problem left to solve, al the widgets stick to the top left and don't want to be moved, any solutions for that?
[00:51] <ardchoille> maarten_: when you hover over the widgets, don't you get a little black bar with icons in it for each widget you hover?
[00:51] <benjamin> when you hover over the widget, it should give you a bar to one side, grab an open spot on it, and drag away
[00:51] <l3d> are there any screen shots of 8 10
[00:51] <ardchoille> benjamin: :)
[00:51] <benjamin> yeah, exactly :P
[00:52] <benjamin> if you don't get the bar, widgets may be locked, in which case you'll want to click on the dealy in the upper right corner and unlock them
[00:52] <ardchoille> l3d: try these: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?os=kubuntu
[00:53] <ardchoille> I like the menu in kde4
[00:53] <ardchoille> s/kde4/Intrepid/
[00:53] <ardchoille> reminds me of slab
[00:55] <leleobhz> guys, kubuntu now uses kde 4.1 by default
[00:55] <leleobhz> but how about people used kde 4.1 in hardy via ppa packages?
[00:55] <leleobhz> my distupgrade claims to remove a lot of kde packages
[00:56] <tuxs> Darthfrog:another link for download Kubuntu 8.10 DVD ver:http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/dvd/kubuntu-8.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[00:56] <maarten_> ardchoille: yes, I get that black bar, and I can move the widget arround, but after moving it is back in the corner
[00:56] <ardchoille> maarten_: oh, ok
[00:56] <Darthfrog> tuxs: OK.  I believe you. :-)
[00:56] <ardchoille> sounds like there is a "lock widget" option you need to turn off or something like that
[00:58] <tuxs> Darthfrog:Heh:)
[01:04] <beta-guy> anyone know how to change the max resolution?
[01:06] <memeemeee> sorry genii I'll brb
[01:07] <dr_willis> beta-guy,  some times one needs to edit the xorg.conf to set up proper res's if they are not detected properly
[01:07] <dr_willis> !fixres
[01:09] <davemc> !sound
[01:10] <Roey> hi!
[01:10] <Roey> anyone else here having a problem with nvidia?
[01:10] <Roey> aaaaaahahaha, it's so messed up :(
[01:10] <Roey> No NVidia on Xen-enabled kernels apparently.  Is the new 2.46.27-7 kernel still Xen-enabled?
[01:11] <cuznt> !nvidia
[01:12] <Roey> thanks.
[01:12] <dr_willis> Cant say that i ever needed to use the xen kernel.
[01:12] <Roey> dr_willis:  on Ibex it is enabled by default.  NVidia drivers do not work on Xen-enabled kernels.
[01:13] <Roey> ubottu:  and thanks, but Ibex is not mentioned here
[01:16] <cuznt> !ibex
[01:16] <cuznt> woops
[01:16] <cuznt> !Xen
[01:24] <KeithSchwols>
[01:24]  * genii sips a coffee
[01:25]  * dr_willis watches the circus in #ubuntu
[01:25] <genii> dr_willis: I'm also doing that :)
[01:26] <jtisme> dr_willis, why no circus here
[01:27] <dr_willis> everyone hates kde4 now? and are going back to gnome?
[01:27] <genii> dr_willis: Apparently. Not that I haven't been tempted, truth be told
[01:27] <jtisme> dr_willis, interesting i was thinking a little along those lines also
[01:28]  * genii hugs his 3.5.10 !
[01:28] <jtisme> i remember when gnome had yukky colors now they are better than kde
[01:28] <dr_willis> I just use whatever theme i want. :) i dont worry about the defaults
[01:29] <jtisme> me too but my first test run at kde4 was a little disappointing
[01:32] <mot_> anybody know of any tftp clients that will allow me to enter password for remote hosts?
[01:32] <memeemeee> dr_willis, genii  I need help with networking!I'm getting this error from dmesg" "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out"
[01:32] <npurciful> hum, i just wonder when bluetooth will work on Intrepid
[01:32] <mot_> i.e. trying to tftp something to my router but i need to be able to enter a password...
[01:32] <jtisme> dr_willis, it never ceases to amaze me how folks will load up the latest release on their primary machine then spend weeks working on the bugs instead of loading in a separate partition or another drive/machine and testing for a while
[01:33] <memeemeee> my /etc/network/interfaces file is configured correctly
[01:33] <memeemeee> but no connection to the router
[01:34] <dr_willis> jtisme,  i am amazed that people seem to think 'user friendly' means - the 'os teaches you step by step holding your hand, for every weird/obscure thing you want to do'
[01:34] <npurciful> that is why i am using hardy, i read the Release Notes and launchpad
[01:35] <rosco_y> what is a good screen-capture software for ubuntu?
[01:35] <jtisme> dr_willis, i actually found that having the splash option on the boot line for kubuntu prevents console 7 from displaying the Kde screen but having discovered that last night i did not want to upset the release freight train since they had sooooo much to do
[01:35] <npurciful> I just wondered if anyone here about solid bluez backport timeframe
[01:35] <jtisme> so i didnt report it and besides it probably is only happening on my nvidia 3200 card
[01:36] <jtisme> excuse 5200 card
[01:36] <rosco_y> I'd sure rather have nvidia than my ati
[01:37] <rosco_y> can anyone recommend a screen-capture software for ubuntu?
[01:37] <dr_willis> I always disable the splash and framebuffer by default
[01:39] <dr_willis> about the only issue im having so far with 8.10 is it not automountingmy vfat thumb drives
[01:39] <jmichaelx> i like ati cards, but i am not a gamer
[01:39] <dr_willis> If you are not a gamer.. does it really matter? :)
[01:40] <jtechidna> rosco_y: recordmydesktop-qt
[01:40] <don> rosco, what's wrong with ksnapshot?
[01:40] <jtechidna> oh, recordmydesktop-qt is only for video btw
[01:40] <jmichaelx> only that many gamers prefer nvidia, as i understand it
[01:40] <rosco_y> dunno, I haven't used any of them yet :/
[01:40] <genii> memeemeee: Please pastebin the files:  /etc/hosts  /etc/network/interfaces  /etc/resolv.conf       and the results of commands:   ifconfig eth0          route      and: tracepath <ip of router>
[01:40] <don> it is screen capture program
[01:41] <memeemeee> ok. It may take a bit because I've got to type it in manually
[01:41] <genii> memeemeee: You can just dump it to a usb stick or such, transfer to the box you are using now
[01:42] <dr_willis> Testing out that USB-creator tool now under 8.10 :)
[01:43] <dr_willis> anyone else find it annoying how the  Ubuntu cds. pop up that language dialog box at the very start hiding the main grub menu/options?
[01:43] <don> dr willis, I do but just hit esc and continue
[01:43] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: does that prevent a person from changing some configurations?
[01:43] <jtisme> dr_willis, yes little annoying
[01:44] <rosco_y> don: ksnapshot is nice, thank you
[01:44] <don> welcome
[01:44] <memeemeee> good point
[01:44] <jtisme> dr_willis, but i also see it on kubuntu
[01:44] <don> dont ya just love it when kubuntu is up and running great?
[01:45] <genii> kubuntu is always running great. It's just kde usually that gives me grief    ;)
[01:45] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:45] <jtisme> dr_willis, have you booted Ubuntu 8.10 yet
[01:45] <don> yes
[01:45] <tacosarecool> Do you know how too install kubuntu from ubuntu
[01:45] <jmichaelx> tacosarecool: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:46] <tacosarecool> thanks
[01:46] <jtisme> dr_willis, i get the uglyest default background looks like someone spilled a coke in the lower left of the display
[01:46] <apachelogger> jtechidna: do we has recordyourdesktop-qt in the archive at all?
[01:47] <tacosarecool> How do I close something that is not cooperating
[01:47] <jtechidna> apachelogger: recordmydesktop-qt
[01:47] <genii> !info krecordmydesktop
[01:47] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I don't seem to find it
[01:47] <jtechidna> oh, krecordmydesktop
[01:47] <tacosarecool> How do I close something
[01:48] <tacosarecool> If it's not working right
[01:48] <jmichaelx> until now i have never used floppies that much, especially in linux, but i have been trying to use floppies today in kubuntu intrepid and in a vbox install of vista, and am having all kinds of problems
[01:48] <tacosarecool> I can't close this
[01:48] <jtisme> tacosarecool, kill it with the kill command
[01:48] <apachelogger> nah
[01:48] <apachelogger> press ctrl+alt+esc
[01:48] <apachelogger> then you can click a window
[01:48] <apachelogger> and it gets killed
[01:48] <genii> tacosarecool: Or try ctrl-alt-esc , put X on offending one, click
[01:49] <genii> apachelogger: Heh :)
[01:49] <jmichaelx> i have to 'modprobe floppy' to get the floppy to mount
[01:49] <genii> jmichaelx: echo "floppy" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[01:49] <dr_willis> jtisme,  yeap - gotta 'graphic design artists'  and their original works
[01:49] <tacosarecool> thanks
[01:50] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,   having to load a module is 'all kinds of problems' ?
[01:51] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: no, it isn't, there are a few other issues... what is it to you?
[01:51] <jtisme> dr_willis, it is quite offending have to change that first off
[01:51] <dr_willis> jtisme,  actually with me keeping my own /home/ on its own parttiion. i rarely see such things
[01:52] <dr_willis> but i tend to go with simple solid colors...  or... hot babes.. :)
[01:52] <jtisme> dr_willis, elaborate on the separate /home/ thingy
[01:52] <jtisme> please
[01:52] <dr_willis> jtisme,  keep your /home  on its own partition.
[01:52] <dr_willis> My current wallpaper -> http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/ugly_dog/wallpaper/gallery/wallpaper07_1280.jpg
[01:53] <jmichaelx> the next issue i was having was not being able to mount the floppy drive after it is umounted.... and the next issue is that i can see the floppy in the vbox vista install, and can see the files, but cannot write to it
[01:53] <dr_willis> it must be mounted with the proper options, or else root will be the only one allowe3d to access it fully
[01:53] <jtisme> dr_willis, so /home/ in its own partition does what to the startup screen?
[01:54] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: ok, i think that may be the issue. i appreciate it.
[01:54] <dr_willis> jtisme,  i keep my home and all my settings - I dont see the 'new' artwork. because it uses my old settings/themes/wallpaper
[01:54] <jmichaelx> if dr_willis was even alking to me lol
[01:54] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  its also possible theres some floppy user/groups you may need tobe a member of.
[01:54] <jtisme> dr_willis, ahh i was just about to say that, interesting
[01:54] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i did add myself to the floppy group
[01:55] <dr_willis> There can be some ISSUES with using  your old settings in home.. but normally those can be fixed by cleaning out your old settings..
[01:55] <dr_willis> some times gnome/kde may act funny after updates/upgrades to newer kde/gnome versions with some old settings
[01:55] <dr_willis> but thats getting rare these days
[01:55] <jtisme> dr_willis, i like that i will have to try that
[01:55] <jtisme> i have lots of partitions i can use
[01:56] <dr_willis> Of course it sucks when your /home fills up..and you got other partitions with lots-o-space
[01:56] <dr_willis> :)
[01:56] <jtisme> yeah bummer
[01:56] <don> When I am up and all running great I close my eyes to upgrade...not so cool lately..
[01:57] <jtisme> dr_willis, you are on here quite a bit what is your physical 10-4
[01:57] <dr_willis> Im in Indiana.
[01:57] <dr_willis> the land of corn and pigs.. and CB radios!
[01:57] <dr_willis> :)
[01:57] <jtisme> dr_willis, one hour behind eastern?
[01:57] <jmichaelx> i usually have little problems upgrading. i upgraded this laptop to intrepid a few days ago, and it went smoothly. i upgraded my desktop this morning, and trashed the whole install... having a separate /home made doing a fresh install so easy
[01:57] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i am also in indiana
[01:58] <dr_willis> No one ever knows the time in Indiana.. we are right on the timezone line. :) Im in Kokomo
[01:58] <jmichaelx> a OT as that is
[01:58] <l3d> I know this channel is kubuntu  but I was wondering how I would install a new set of cursors on ubuntu?
[01:58] <don> about the same way I imagine
[01:58] <dr_willis> l3d,  fire up the theme settings tool, drag/drop package to it.. often works
[01:59] <l3d> even tho I am using ubuntu I like this channel better then the other one you all are nicer
[01:59] <jmichaelx> bloomington here, i have some friends east of kokomo
[01:59] <nun> what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu? is one smoother running or something?
[01:59] <don> dr willis I would like to know more about the usb tool..
[01:59] <tacosarecool> darn it froze
[01:59] <tacosarecool> Anyway
[01:59] <don> sounds interesting to me
[01:59] <tacosarecool> What's the command to install kubuntu on ubuntu
[01:59] <nun> i installed ubuntu on this pc but i gotta fix up another machine
[02:00] <kwtm> Hello!  How do I find out what files are contained in a package that I would like to install?  (I'm thinking of installing the package "libqbanking5" but would like to know whether it contains the file "qt3-wizard")
[02:00] <jtisme> nun just different developers and themes etc.
[02:00] <nun> ooh ok
[02:00] <bdizzle> remind me again how to check what wireless card I have on my laptop?
[02:00] <nun> i was kind of disappointed with ubuntu cause i couldnt login as root
[02:00] <kwtm> nun: Kubuntu and Ubuntu are set up differently so they have a different look and feel.
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same with regard to logging in as root: you just have to type in a 1-line command to do that.
[02:01] <nun> its user friendly and all but i miss having console boot up and not all the gui then i used to feel like a super elite nerd lol and running lynx
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: You type "sudo passwd root", and then enter the root password.  Then you can log in as root.
[02:01] <nun> no you cant on ubuntu
[02:01] <kwtm> nun: In Kubuntu and Ubuntu, you set it up to disable the graphics bootup, and it will run cmd-line.
[02:01] <nun> its disabled
[02:02] <ArkoldThos> all is possible~
[02:02] <nun> oh really? see i never really tinkered around with it yet
[02:02] <tacosarecool> Sorry
[02:02] <tacosarecool> What's the command to install kubuntu
[02:02] <tacosarecool> on ubuntu
[02:02] <tacosarecool> sudo apt get kubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <ArkoldThos> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <jtisme> kwtm  apt-cache show pkgname
[02:02] <jtechidna> tacosarecool: yes
[02:02] <nun> well i been looking for tile games for linux
[02:02] <genii> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <mot_> question
[02:03] <don> sudo apt-get install kubuntu kde4 desktop
[02:03] <jwaldo> tacosarecool, I just installed the kubuntu-desktop package using the package manager
[02:03] <genii> Alternately: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[02:03] <jtechidna> kubuntu-desktop is recommended
[02:03] <nun> something like zelda or even something more 3d rpg or isometric tile.. anything really
[02:03] <jtisme> num mahjong is around
[02:03] <ArkoldThos> genii: that metapackage still exists on intrepid?
[02:03] <tacosarecool> kubuntu-desktop is kde 4 right
[02:03] <nun> i want something that wont get boring
[02:03] <mot_> is anybody else having the issue where upon rebooting (or restarting KDE) their widgets are reset back to default settings?
[02:03] <jwaldo> No command line cred for me :(
[02:03] <kwtm> jtisme: Thanks.  WIll try this.
[02:03] <nun> im not into card games or blocks lol
[02:03] <genii> ArkoldThos: I'd have to check.
[02:03] <nun> i got grand theft auto 2 working on ubuntu
[02:03] <nun> i just use wine though
[02:03] <kwtm> nun: If can't log in as root, log in as someone else, then run "su" command (and enter root passwd).  After you set the root passwd with "sudo passwd root", of course.
[02:03] <genii> ArkoldThos: If not then just kubuntu-desktop    :)
[02:03] <mot_> none of my widgets retain their size/positioning, my clock always has icons overlapping it, and if i drag program shortcuts to the bottom left near the launcher, upon reboot they're all gone
[02:03] <mot_> what should i do? =\
[02:04] <kwtm> GTG, brb
[02:04] <genii> kwtm_away: Don't recommend this to people please
[02:05] <nun> i should maybe start a project but its been years since i tried doing anything brainy with computers
[02:05] <jwaldo> Whoa, I can switch tabs with the scroll wheel
[02:05] <jtisme> genii dont recommend what please?
[02:05] <jwaldo> never noticed that until just now
[02:05] <nun> i have a fly problem..brb guys i got some killing to do
[02:05] <genii> jtisme: To set a root password
[02:06] <Roey> Hello, I'm experiencing difficulty getting NVidia to work on Intrepid Ibex.  Anyone know of a workaround?
[02:06] <Roey> or better yet, a solution?
[02:06] <jtisme> genii ok thanks i wanted to be sure what you were responding to thanks
[02:06] <jmichaelx> codeweavers was giving away free registration keys a few days ago to crossover office/games
[02:07] <robin> anyone know how to get gedega working on kubuntu 64
[02:09] <bdizzle> so is plasma the KDE response to Vista?
[02:10] <bdizzle> the only thing I'm a bit afraid of is not having the traditional "desktop" with trash can, and then my added icons of a link to home folder and to /media folder
[02:10] <OpenSorce> About to write a review on Kubuntu....last one I reviewed was 7.10 any particular improvements I should look for?
[02:11] <robin> anyone know how to get gedega working on kubuntu 64
[02:11] <genii> robin: Are you meaning cedega?
[02:11] <memeemeee> someone tell me the quick and easy way to mount usbdrive with CLI?
[02:11] <OpenSorce> Have the 'buntu folks learned to use drivers that work for video and wifi cards yet?
[02:12] <bdizzle> okay, this is strange
[02:12] <OpenSorce> mememe, mount -t <type> /dev/<dveice> /<mountpoint>
[02:12] <bdizzle> OpenSorce: its getting there
[02:12] <zabbadapp> no matter what icon theme I use, dolphin still show oxygen folders ... and many themes do not work from the download window.
[02:12] <genii> OpenSorce: Perhaps there might be more technical answers to your questions in #kubuntu-devel
[02:12] <kwtm_away> How do I tell IRC that I'm not away any more?
[02:12] <jtisme> memeemeee, linux file system usb's
[02:12] <kwtm> Oh, there we go.
[02:12] <bdizzle> how do I get normal write access to a mounted drive?
[02:12] <bdizzle> it lets me read the drive, but not write to it
[02:13] <memeemeee> sorry jtechidna ?
[02:13] <jtechidna> ?
[02:13] <memeemeee> sorry jtisme
[02:13] <OpenSorce> Genii, I (and my boss) prefer I talk to users raher than devs with a few exceptions
[02:13] <jtechidna> ;-)
[02:13] <jtisme> memeemeee, does the usb drive have a linux file system on it?
[02:13] <jmichaelx> is there a way to have previews for videos in dolphin in intrepid? i really miss that.
[02:13] <memeemeee> no
[02:14] <jtisme> memeemeee, Windows fs?
[02:14] <robin> yes cedega
[02:14] <OpenSorce> Oh well.....I'll just be surprised on the drivers thing. I have to download and install it anyway, so I'll find out..
[02:14] <memeemeee> i think its FAT
[02:14] <memeemeee> FAT32?
[02:14] <kwtm> genii: Agreed, but for someone who wants root, it can be just as frustrating to be forced to use sudo.  For example, when I switched from Mandrake, I was used to root.
[02:14] <OpenSorce> mememe, 16 or 32?
[02:14] <jtisme> memeemeee,   mount -t vfat /dev/sdXN  /mnt  should do it
[02:14] <bdizzle> does anyone know how to change permissions of a mounted partition from read to read / write
[02:14] <robin> cedega not seeing video card on kubuntu 64
[02:15] <genii> kwtm: Root is disabled by default in *buntu because many users are novices and can easily mess up their boxes badly by accident of typo for instance
[02:15] <OpenSorce> bdiz, it needs to be mounted read/write but you have to be careful with that
[02:15] <jtisme> bdizzle, look at  remount  option of  mount command
[02:15] <totoro7> hmmm... restricted driver nagger disappeared after first boot
[02:15] <bdizzle> oh okay, I see the issue, the permissions are set to root only
[02:15] <bdizzle> I need to set them to my username, but how?
[02:15] <genii> kwtm: For extended periods of superuser use, sudo -i is preferred
[02:16] <xevix> anybody got kdevelop 3 running on intrepid?  i keep getting "cannot talk to klauncher"
[02:16] <jtisme> bdizzle, probably for a reason :)
[02:16] <bdizzle> lol, no, I made the partition and wrote some data on it
[02:16] <bdizzle> but its still got 5 GB on it that I need to use to back up stuff
[02:16] <kwtm> genii: Agreed.  But, you know, I have to say, if someone asks how to log in as root, you can't hide that information from them.
[02:17] <OpenSorce> btw, last review cycle Mandriva got all the glory....this time it won't properly install and run on 6 out of 7 test boxes....so Kubuntu *may* come out on top
[02:17] <bdizzle> I want to try intrepid and KDE 4.2 in another week or so once it settles down a bit on the repos
[02:17] <bdizzle> but I have to back things up to be sure
[02:17] <totoro7> lazy newbie question: what's the shortcut to show desktop on kde 4?
[02:17] <genii> kwtm: If you provide that information and their system gets messy, who will fix it? you?
[02:17] <kwtm> genii: For people who are not novices... eg. I had already had scripts set up as root when I switched to Kubuntu from Mandrake, and I was glad to find out how to log in as root.  I'm not saying that we post this in Ubuntu Novice-HowTo, you know.
[02:17] <jtechidna> bdizzle: Intrepid comes with KDE 4.1.2, not KDE 4.2
[02:18] <bdizzle> so I need to change permission from root to my user, but I can't seem to find out how to do that
[02:18] <bdizzle> oh, okay
[02:18] <kwtm> genii: You are so absolutely right and I am so absolutely wrong that I will no longer question your wisdom.
[02:18] <jtechidna> 4.2 is alpha right now iirc
[02:18] <bdizzle> I thought it was 4.2 and they had fixed all the bugs in plasma
[02:18] <jtechidna> \o/
[02:18] <OpenSorce> genii, you're a bit of a knowledge miser :-)
[02:19] <bdizzle> chown ?
[02:19] <genii> kwtm: I have no issue with people who wish to operate their machines as superuser. But setting a root password when sudo -i   is available is somewhat irresponsible
[02:19] <genii> OpenSorce: Not at all. I encourage everyone to educate themselves.
[02:19] <OpenSorce> uh-huh
[02:19] <kwtm> jtisme: I tried apt-cache show libqbanking5, but it does not tell me what files are contained within that package.
[02:19] <bdizzle> strange ...
[02:20] <bdizzle> when I go to /media in CLI, it doesn't show the partition
[02:20] <bdizzle> yet when I go to it through the GUI, I can access the files on it and such
[02:20] <jtisme> kwtm let me check my notes i know i have done that in the past
[02:20] <OpenSorce> I can't imagine running a *nix system without setting a root password.....but then again Slackware is my distro of choice...
[02:20] <jwaldo> odd
[02:20] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[02:20] <jwaldo> system monitor stops working when I run Konversation
[02:21] <bdizzle> can someone walk me through this so I don't mess it up?
[02:21] <jtisme> OpenSorce, i remember building back doors to the Unix su long before sudo existed, what fun!!!!
[02:21] <Lars_G> So, the upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04 is failing, it suggests I log a bug, and it mentions /var/log/dist-upgrade do you think you guys could help me diag where it is the problem by using the logs?
[02:21] <jwaldo> brb
[02:22] <OpenSorce> Sudo is over-rated
[02:22] <genii> OpenSorce: There is nothing in Ubuntu which prevents you from doing this. But it is discouraged for the reasons I earlier outlined. Many problems are created when used without proper caution.
[02:22] <totoro7> is there a "show desktop" keyboard shortcut on KDE?
[02:22] <OpenSorce> No kidding
[02:22] <jtisme> but you had to get the su privilege just long enough to set 4755 on your code so you could go to su
[02:22] <genii> Lars_G: Did you yet post it to bug section of launchpad?
[02:22] <jtisme> kwtm hold on
[02:23] <Lars_G> genii: Nope, I don't want to log a whole new bug if it's something confined to me
[02:23] <genii> Lars_G: I would suggest pastebin the log mentioned and see if someone here is perhaps willing to scrutinize it first then.
[02:23] <Lars_G> genii: Yeah.
[02:23] <OpenSorce> So.....my first question that you sent me to the devel channel for asking: Is *ubuntu using Nvidia and ATI drivers and the right wifi drivers yet?
[02:24] <OpenSorce> Surely you know that answer to that one?
[02:24] <zabbadapp> hmmmm .... the "K-menu" is very wide, yet each deeper level scrolls out the parent to the left -- even if two levels could easily fit next to each other ... OR if the menu is made lower a single level could span two columns instead of adding a scrollbar
[02:25] <memeemeee> ok genii http://pastebin.com/m12857d3b
[02:25] <kwtm> totoro7: My Win-D key does the trick.
[02:25] <genii> OpenSorce: We see many issues relating to specific models of wifi in particular. I myself am not a specialist in the area of video drivers, but many others in the channel suggested are in fact working in this area and know which changes may have been made between releases.
[02:25] <OpenSorce> lol.....you should run for officer
[02:25] <genii> memeemeee: OK, reading. One minute please
[02:25] <OpenSorce> *office
[02:25] <don> opensource> my graphics and wifi all up and fine they came a long way.
[02:25] <totoro7> kwtm: not werking here :-( (kubuntu 8.10)
[02:25] <don> I have ATI
[02:25] <OpenSorce> don, thank you :-)
[02:25] <totoro7> kwtm: and thanks for answering
[02:26] <don> really have done well with both
[02:26] <Lars_G> This log looks interesting: http://show.degopro.com/logs/main.log
[02:26] <Lars_G> Specially near the end.
[02:26] <genii> OpenSorce: Broadcom wifi in particular seems to be problemmatic
[02:26] <don> I run many 3d games
[02:26] <jtisme> kwtm, havent found the answer yet still working on it
[02:26] <Lars_G> 2008-10-30 21:50:13,873 DEBUG The package 'postgresql-plperl-8.2' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist
[02:26] <Lars_G> Would that be causing it?
[02:26] <memeemeee> I haven;t had any problems with my broadcom wifi once i got it running it's working great!
[02:26] <OpenSorce> ah kewl....they put a lot of work into *ubuntu....I'd love to be able to list it as something other than "unsutiable for new users" this time
[02:27] <jwaldo> weeeeird
[02:27] <jwaldo> System Monitor will run once, then stop working until I log out
[02:27] <Lars_G> genii: I might end up posting a bug :(
[02:27] <don> both  ub and ku have come a long way
[02:27] <don> Kubuntu is my favorite
[02:27] <jtechidna> Lars_G: that'd probably cause it
[02:28] <OpenSorce> genii, if they would just use the windows drivers like Mandriva does.......nvm
[02:28] <kwtm> totoro7: K-Menu > System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts > Shortcut Schemes > Global SHortcuts > Panel > Toggle Showing Desktop
[02:28] <jtechidna> Lars_G: I think you could remove it for now and install postgresql-plperl-8.3 after the upgrade
[02:28] <don> Lars G. try run apt-get autoremove
[02:28] <don> start over with it
[02:28] <OpenSorce> Well, I use IceWM on my home machine, but for new user reviews we only review distros that focus on KDE
[02:28] <kwtm> jtisme: Btw, in case you were going to tell me to go to packages.ubuntu.com to check, my particular package is not from Ubuntu, but a 3rd party (Gnucash)
[02:29]  * Lars_G sighs
[02:29] <Lars_G> I'll check
[02:29] <bdizzle> gah, this is a lot quieter than #ubuntu, but I need some help if anyone is willing to work with me
[02:29] <OpenSorce> Gnome makes new (windows) users uncomfortable
[02:30] <Thrice> hi kubuntu guys lol
[02:31] <Lars_G> OpenSorce: Actually that's why I setup them with kde. they're more at home
[02:31] <OpenSorce> Yep
[02:31] <memeemeee> is there a way to look at a usb device and determine which fs it is?
[02:31] <Thrice> hi
[02:31] <memeemeee> unmounted usb device
[02:31] <memeemeee> hi Thrice
[02:31] <Lars_G> don: I consider ubu and kubu to be equivalent on the system side.
[02:31] <OpenSorce> My company paid for test, they put 100 windows users on Linux machines......98 of them hated Gnome :-P
[02:31] <don> yes
[02:32] <don> anyone can set up 3d card now
[02:32] <Lars_G> don: on the web side I still preffer ubu, better layout, easier to use wiki, easier to use forum
[02:32] <totoro7> kwtm: ok until "Keyboard Shortcuts", no "Shortcut Schemes" anywhere within the window.
[02:32] <genii> memeemeee: 2 lines below "iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces   can go. /etc/hosts looks fine. /etc/resolv.conf looks OK if they are accessible from the gateway you earlier specified. in "route" link-local seems very odd entry, I suspect relating to the unneccesary lines mentioned earlier in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:32] <don> simple
[02:32] <bdizzle> okay, this is strange, but I need someone to walk me through it that knows how to mount / unmount, change permissions and figure out this mess
[02:32] <Lars_G> Drugs are bad for people.
[02:32] <jmichaelx> i have used linux almost exclusively for 3 years, and i still hate gnome lol
[02:32] <Lars_G> bbl thanks all
[02:32] <Thrice> im a ubuntu user and i was wondering how is the new kde running it looks nice
[02:32] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: I don't hate it, I just don't like it.
[02:32] <don> ubuntu did not have my wireless until ultimate
[02:32] <don> and I have that as well
[02:32] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: yes, hate is a bit too strong
[02:32] <don> have them all
[02:33] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: And I'd even be using other WM than kde if it werent for all the nice stuff they started adding at kde 3.5
[02:33] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: My real favorite was xfce4, but kde has become a workhorse
[02:33] <don> kubuntu kde3 was very stable
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: kde3.5 is the nicest DE i have used
[02:33] <don> kde4 is ?
[02:33] <OpenSorce> I prefer a very basic wm with a console window :-P
[02:33] <Lars_G> don: 4.1 is slightly unstable on my 8.04 but worst is that it's still a little lacking
[02:33] <don> I am on kde3 now
[02:34] <jmichaelx> yeah, xfce4 is also my second choice. i always have both installed
[02:34] <don> it is perfict
[02:34] <Thrice> the new gnome isnt that bad
[02:34] <OpenSorce> but that's on slack, I know where everything is because I put it there
[02:34] <Lars_G> I think I'll use 8.10 with kde3 for a while, at least until 4.2
[02:34] <totoro7> kwtm: thanks for your effort and time. I'm afraid I have to go now
[02:34] <don> that is best
[02:34] <don> 3 804
[02:34] <memeemeee> but localhost is working fine. (not sure how the extraeneous lines got in there. the question is why can't I access the router? the only answer i've gotten from ##networking was that it was hardware. I don't think it is
[02:34] <jtechidna> Lars_G: upgrading to 8.10 will replace kde3 with kde4
[02:34] <Lars_G> don: Altough I am using a few version 4 kde programs.
[02:34] <genii> Aside from window manager discussions, are there any outstanding support issues?
[02:34] <jtisme> kwtm, apt-file list PACKAGE_NAME
[02:34] <jmichaelx> kde4 in 8.10 seems to be much nicer, and much more stable than in 8.04
[02:34] <memeemeee> but localhost is working fine. (not sure how the extraeneous lines got in there. the question is why can't I access the router? the only answer i've gotten from ##networking was that it was hardware. I don't think it is genii \
[02:34] <don> me too
[02:34] <bdizzle> I've got four partitions, named JLab (base URL at file:///mnt), Kubuntu (base URL at file:/// ), Media, (base URL at file:///media/windows2) and Windows (base URL at file:///media/windows1)
[02:34] <OpenSorce> Hey guys, I'm supposed to attempt to run World of Warcraft on the distros I am reviewing.....anyone tried it on *ubuntu?
[02:34] <Lars_G> don: Specially amarok 2.0, dolphin, and kmail 4
[02:34] <don> but nothing like the kde3 8.04
[02:35] <Thrice> ya it works
[02:35] <bdizzle> OpenSorce: it should work with wine
[02:35] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: sigh no option anymore? time to take the plunge?
[02:35] <don> I am a big fan of kde4
[02:35] <genii> memeemeee: I'd remove those two lines mentioned, it may be screwing up your default routing. then restart networking and see if it goes
[02:35] <don> I jst am honest
[02:35] <Thrice> or crossover
[02:35] <OpenSorce> Yeah, I run it on Slack with Wine
[02:35] <don> I will have a perfict 4 as well
[02:35] <bdizzle> I need that first one that is mounted at file:///mnt to be at file:///media/storage or so
[02:35] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: no option beyond remaining in hardy.... which i had strongly considered
[02:35] <Lars_G> jmichaelx: not even kde3 base libs to non-ported programs?
[02:35] <Thrice> the ubuntu channel is having all kinds of problems compared to here lol
[02:36] <jtechidna> Lars_G: kde3 apps that don't have kde4 ports are still usable
[02:36] <bdizzle> they both are Thrice
[02:36] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: yes, there are still a good number of kde3 proggies
[02:36] <Thrice> this one seems fine
[02:36] <Lars_G> Good so the base libraries are there.
[02:36] <Lars_G> phew
[02:36] <Thrice> compared to over there lol
[02:36] <Thrice> 'its nuts
[02:36] <Lars_G> Well it'll take me some time getting used to the DE in kde 4
[02:36] <Lars_G> Ah what the hell, I'm a nutter for shiny new stuff I'll take the plunge
[02:36] <Lars_G> see you tomorrow guys
[02:36]  * Lars_G waves
[02:36] <genii> Lars_G: Gnite
[02:36] <don> I can reboot into kde4
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Lars_G: it isn't as bad as i thought it would be. i would recommend taking the plunge if you don't mind an occasional hickup
[02:37] <memeemeee> genii, destination host unreachable
[02:37] <don> I have many
[02:37] <essa> hi all
[02:37] <essa> hi room
[02:37] <genii> memeemeee: Can you ping by ip some external ?
[02:37] <kwtm_away> jtisme: am still listening but need to check on baby
[02:37] <don> kde4 just falls apart when I start to build it as I need it
[02:37] <kwtm> jtisme: Oh, I see your msg from before
[02:37] <genii> memeemeee: <IP_ADDRESS>   is google.com   for instance
[02:37] <don> I have 2 I am working now
[02:37]  * jtechidna has gotten KDE4 to look like this for fun: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SNZc915qETI/AAAAAAAAACA/TJGGg7i-924/s1600-h/kde4gnome.png
[02:37] <Thrice> does kubuntu use bash shell?
[02:37] <jtisme> kwtm,  apt-file list Package_name
[02:38] <memeemeee> genii, destination host unreachable
[02:38] <corigo> Why is Alt+Tab so slow to respond, or some time take 3 clicks to respond?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> no, kubuntu is exclusively sh
[02:38] <jmichaelx> :-d
[02:38] <don> Thrice. yes
[02:38] <kwtm> jtisme: Yes, I saw.  Thank you!  Trying now.  (Running sudo apt-file update now)
[02:38] <don> if you want
[02:39] <bdizzle> UGH
[02:39] <kwtm> Thrice: jmichaelx was kidding.  Bash is not really GUI-dependent, so GNOME = KDE.
[02:39] <don> I have bash on my kde4
[02:39] <genii> memeemeee: Looks like some routing issue still.
[02:39] <jtisme> kwtm hold on a minute let me dig a little deeper
[02:39] <don> used it today
[02:39] <Thrice> so any things i install in ubuntu i can use in kubuntu like apt-get blah blah
[02:39] <jmichaelx> Thrice: sorry about that
[02:39] <genii> memeemeee: Are you using same router for the box which you are on now which is connecting?
[02:39] <don> thrice yes
[02:40] <bdizzle> why is one of my partitions located in /mnt instead of /media ?
[02:40] <jmichaelx> Thrice: apt-get is specific to debian and its derivatives, more so than to bash, etc
[02:40] <memeemeee> yes
[02:40] <kwtm> jtisme: Holy cow, what sort of unholy command is apt-file running in the background!?
[02:40] <Thrice> oooh
[02:40] <Thrice> i gotcha
[02:40] <memeemeee> genii, i can connect with wlan and eth0 on my laptop
[02:40] <genii> bdizzle: Possibly you have an /etc/fstab entry which specifies that directory
[02:40] <bdizzle> so how do I change it?
[02:40] <memeemeee> I even tried a static ip on the laptop
[02:40] <kwtm> jtisme: It looks like it's downloading a bazillion things in the background!  Shouldn't this stuff already be in the database!?
[02:41] <jtisme> kwtm not necessarily
[02:41] <bdizzle> genii, okay, I see the issue, but I dont' know how to change it safely
[02:41] <kwtm> jtisme: Okay.  Anyway, checking on baby...
[02:41] <corigo> I saved some files to my desktop, now I can't remove them. Every time I restart the computer they re-appear on the desktop!
[02:42] <genii> bdizzle: alt-f2   kdesudo kate /etc/fstab             then see if this is the case, if so a change here when saved will stick. But you'll likely need also to unmount then remount it
[02:42] <bdizzle> could you help me with it so I can learn as I go without messing up my system
[02:42] <don> corigo> I had same with kde4
[02:42] <bdizzle> yeah, that's what I'm at now
[02:42] <don> keep bring back the dead
[02:43] <don> you will get it
[02:43] <don> takes time
[02:43] <bdizzle> sda1 is clearly mounted at /mnt instead of /media like the others
[02:43] <genii> memeemeee: When you set instead a regular dynamic entry for that interface, does it work?
[02:43] <bdizzle> that particular line reads:   /dev/sda1 /mnt    auto     defaults      0          0
[02:43] <bdizzle> whereas the windows partitions read: /dev/sda2 /media/windows1 ntfs defaults,auto,dmask=000,fmask=111,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[02:44] <memeemeee> I haven't been able to try that but I was told not to bother by someone else so i didn't try too hard
[02:44] <genii> bdizzle: So decide on a nice directory name for it, like sda1       then: sudo mkdir /media/sda1                 then change the fstab entry from /mnt       to   /media/sda1           and save
[02:45] <memeemeee> change it to iface eth0 inet dhcp and erase all other lines except auto eth0 genii ?
[02:45] <bdizzle> ah, okay, see, I didn't know that
[02:45] <genii> memeemeee: For now don''t erase them. Just put a # at start of each line to comment them out
[02:45] <mits> is there any app that handles dialup on intrepid (among the default packages)?
[02:45] <genii> bdizzle: Then you likely need to unmount and remount it
[02:45] <bdizzle> and now as a result of me trying to get things to work on my own, I'm getting a more serious popup with dolphin claiming that it cannot save
[02:46] <phanatik> just wondering what the difference is between Kubuntu and normal ubuntu
[02:46] <bdizzle> bookmarks in /home/users/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml, claiming permission was denied
[02:46] <genii> bdizzle: You needed to run an editor with admin rights.          like with kdesudo     or kdesu
[02:46] <jtechidna> phanatik: Kubuntu uses KDE, Ubuntu uses gnome
[02:46] <don> phanatik> one is gnome desktop and other is kde
[02:47] <genii> bdizzle: Because the file does not belong to the username which is normally logged on
[02:47] <phanatik> ah
[02:47] <phanatik> is KDE better?
[02:47] <don> I think so
[02:47] <phanatik> I know its matter of opinions here.
[02:47] <genii> "Better" is subjective :) But keep in mind where you are asking
[02:47] <don> it is a matter of doing all I do
[02:47] <don> gnome fails me
[02:47] <jmichaelx> kde is SO much better
[02:48] <don> you can run either on either
[02:48] <don> switch
[02:48] <phanatik> so if i download ubuntu normal, is there a way to install KDE
[02:48] <don> and switch  back
[02:48] <jmichaelx> don't submit to the gnome nazis!
[02:48] <jmichaelx> just kidding
[02:48] <don> yes
[02:48] <don> sudo apt-get install kde
[02:48] <genii> phanatik: package is called usually    kubuntu-desktop
[02:48] <phanatik> ah nice
[02:48] <don> yes
[02:48] <genii> don: kubuntu-desktop    not just the kde
[02:48] <don> true
[02:49] <memeemeee> it's trying on <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS> genii and failing with no DHCPOFFERS recieved
[02:49] <don> I put kde 4 on an upgrade once
[02:49] <bdizzle> k, hold on
[02:49] <genii> memeemeee: Check your cabling
[02:49] <don> it worked fine
[02:50] <memeemeee> physical cables? have checked several times and used them on laptop as well work fine there
[02:50] <jtisme> kwtm_away, refresh my memory  what was the question
[02:50] <don> I may put a kde4 on this one
[02:51] <memeemeee> genii, is there a way to force it to DHCPDISCOVER on <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:51] <genii> memeemeee: When no dhcp offer, can't reach the router is usual meaning. If plugged directly in then it should be getting an IP right off. Is it in a regular port on router on not something odd like WAN or CONSOLE labelled plug?
[02:51] <genii> memeemeee: dhcpdiscover works on broadcast. so <IP_ADDRESS> is correct
[02:52] <memeemeee> nope and I've tried using other ports as well
[02:52] <mot_> none of my widgets or panel settings are retained when i reboot...i.e. none of the shortcuts that i drag down to the panel or my positioning/size of my folder view boxes and plasmoids are all reset to default whenever i reboot...any ideas?
[02:52] <mot_> anybody else having the same problem?
[02:52] <bdizzle> um, genii, that didn't work
[02:52] <genii> bdizzle: To edit the file?
[02:53] <bdizzle> I think, hold on
[02:53] <weedar> knetworkmanager 0.7 doesn't work with my Intel 4965 wlan-adapter - can I downgrade to 0.6 or an older version somehow?
[02:54] <bdizzle> okay, so now that one line in fstab reads: /dev/sda1 /media/storage    auto     defaults      0          0
[02:54] <genii> memeemeee: What does result of:  lspci -nn | grep Ethernet                       report as your card?
[02:54] <bdizzle> and I created a folder in /media named storage
[02:54] <bdizzle> now how do I link the two?
[02:54] <memeemeee> wait! genii "DHCPRELEASE hon eth0 to 192.1.1 port 67 <\n> there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 0" is this a problem?
[02:55] <genii> bdizzle: Good. But the box still thinks it is at /mnt      So:  same method to edit file:   /etc/mtab          and remove completely the line which may have cached /mnt in it, then save
[02:55] <bdizzle> and I am still getting the error about access being denied to .kde bookmarks
[02:56] <bdizzle> this line?
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: And then you remount the drive at proper spot:    sudo mount /media/storage
[02:56] <bdizzle> this line:   /dev/sda1 /mnt vfat rw 0 0
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: Yes
[02:56] <bdizzle> and I am just removing it?
[02:56] <genii> bdizzle: Yes
[02:56] <memeemeee> genii, "Marvell technology group ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E"
[02:56] <don> memeemeee> shouldnt that be <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:56] <bdizzle> okay, just wanted to be sure before I did it
[02:56] <don> not enough numbers
[02:57] <memeemeee> should what be don?
[02:57] <don> is that the gateway?
[02:57] <genii> memeemeee: What does the part at end say something like     [168c:001a] (rev 01)
[02:57] <don> that number is incorrect
[02:57] <memeemeee> yeah don . typeo
[02:57] <don> ok
[02:57] <don> sorry
[02:57] <tacosarecool> hello
[02:57] <genii> memeemeee: sudo dhclient -r eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0
[02:58] <memeemeee> good eyes don! I've made stupid mistakes like that before
[02:58] <don> me too
[02:58] <don> I am big fan of wireless
[02:58] <tacosarecool> help me please sometimes it randomly freezes
[02:58] <bdizzle> ok
[02:58] <tacosarecool> and this has been since 8.10
[02:58] <don> I was hopeing that was the problem
[02:58] <corigo> don: yep, KDE4
[02:58] <don> yeah
[02:58] <genii> bdizzle: /etc/mtab is only a housekeeping thing to have a record of currently mounted things
[02:59] <don> the best 4 I built got lost
[02:59] <memeemeee> ok so its "Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4364] (rev 20) genii
[02:59] <don> it was upgrade from 7.10 crossover
[02:59] <tacosarecool> Genii
[02:59] <genii> memeemeee: OK, looking it up for issues
[02:59] <don> and it was perfict
[02:59] <bdizzle> claims it cannot create a link /etc/mtab~
[02:59] <genii> tacosarecool: Yes?
[02:59] <bdizzle> then "Perhaps there is a stale file?
[02:59] <bdizzle> stale lock file?
[03:00] <tacosarecool> genii help my computer has been freezing and this has been since 8.10 windows works fine
[03:00] <memeemeee> dhclient had the same outcome
[03:00] <tacosarecool> But 8.10 sometimes freezes
[03:00] <corigo> How can I take a screen shot in KDE4?
[03:01] <tacosarecool> ctrl alt printscreen
[03:01] <genii> tacosarecool: Anything informative in:   dmesg|tail            ?
[03:01] <don> taco...> run chkdsk in windows
[03:01] <bdizzle> alright, now it claims it is already mounted or /media/storage is busy
[03:01] <bdizzle> how do I unmount then remount?
[03:01] <tacosarecool> The disk is fine though because
[03:01] <tacosarecool> It's on the same drive
[03:01] <memeemeee> genii, btw I even tried reinstalling kubuntu from cd (w/out formatting)  to no avail.
[03:01] <genii> bdizzle: If you have something sitting in dir like command prompt or file browser with it open, considers it busy. Close or cd out of there before trying to mount or unmount
[03:02] <genii> bdizzle: 1 minute please
[03:02] <bdizzle> yeah, I am closed out of there
[03:03] <genii> memeemeee: Some googling indicates it's a problemmatic ethernet controller which uses driver called sky2.   A somewhat older page here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-596196.html recommends driver from Marvell site
[03:03] <don> corigo>download and install ksnapshot
[03:03] <bdizzle> tried to unmount via gui, and it claims it failed due to: Device has /dev/sda1 volume.ignore set to TRUE. Refusing to mount
[03:03] <genii> bdizzle: sudo umount -f /media/storage  then: sudo mount /media/storage
[03:04] <tacosarecool> it's n?
[03:04] <tacosarecool> 8.04 was fine
[03:04] <tacosarecool> I mean
[03:04] <tacosarecool> It wasn't freezing
[03:04] <kwtm_away> jtisme: you ahve answered my question.  Thank you!
[03:05] <kwtm_away> jtisme: It was: how do I find out what file a package contains, if I haven't installed it yet?  Now I know: apt-file show pkgname
[03:05] <genii> tacosarecool: Anything in dmesg or not which says some error or indicates something unusual?
[03:05] <jtisme> kwtm did it work?
[03:05] <bdizzle> genii: that worked via cli, but the gui doesn't like it at all
[03:05] <tacosarecool> genii yes
[03:06] <tacosarecool> there is stuff
[03:06] <bdizzle> and I STILL get that damn error message about the bookmark.xml, saying it needs to be fixed as quickly as possible
[03:06] <genii> tacosarecool: Please pastebin for scrutiny
[03:06] <tacosarecool> How do I pastebin
[03:06] <chuso> I have just upgraded to intrepid with kde4, and now kate could not open remote files through fish. Does anybody know how to solve it? - It returns "Unknown protocol sftp"
[03:06] <genii> bdizzle: With vfat you may need some other option to allow read/write there but offhand I don't know which ones. Google may be more helpful here than me
[03:07] <bdizzle> grr
[03:07] <bdizzle> is there a way to just wipe the partition, reformat at ext3 and go from there?
[03:07] <genii> bdizzle: On the sda1 ?
[03:07] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:08] <genii> bdizzle: If sda1 is some vfat drive, what partition or drive holds your /  ?
[03:08] <bdizzle> and I get this error message whenver I close a window in dolphin:
[03:08] <bdizzle> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/bdizzle/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[03:08] <bdizzle> note that the hard drive still has another 5 GB on each partition
[03:09] <bdizzle> the / is on /sda7
[03:09] <genii> bdizzle: Sounds like you had a change of permissions there, possibly by running dolphin with sudo instead of kdesuo or such
[03:09] <bdizzle> probably
[03:09] <yeltsinator>  any reason why I would utilize 50 % of my lan connection when transfering via one rsync session between two computers on my lan and 91 % when I use two rsync sessions to do the same thing?
[03:09] <bdizzle> gah, my files are all messed up
[03:09] <bdizzle> my media drive (storage on NSFS) is on /dev/sda5
[03:10] <bdizzle> windows XP on /dev/sda2
[03:10] <bdizzle> kubuntu on /dev/sda7
[03:10] <craig> when I try to play the new Hulk movie with Kaffeine player, it tries to install a codec, tells me that it is already installed and will not play. any insite as to what I am doing wrong?
[03:10] <bdizzle> and the partition I want to get rid of and reformat now because its not worth the hassle is on /dev/sda1
[03:11] <genii> bdizzle: OK. so: sudo fdisk /dev/sda     then T for change type. Change to 83       then W to write and exit. then you can: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[03:11] <tacosarecool> How do I pastebin
[03:11] <favro> !paste
[03:12] <bdizzle> you mean /dev/sda1, right?
[03:12] <genii> tacosarecool: For CLI things you may want instead: sudo apt-get install pastebinit                then you do like:     pastebinit dmesg
[03:12] <chuso> Does kate open remote files through fish in kubuntu 8.10? In my desktop is crashing
[03:12] <genii> bdizzle: When it asks about which partition, 1   is the sda1
[03:12] <craig> when I try to play the new Hulk movie with Kaffeine player, it tries to install a codec, tells me that it is already installed and will not play. any insight as to what I am doing wrong?
[03:13] <bdizzle> ok
[03:13] <bdizzle> got this error message
[03:13] <bdizzle> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14593.
[03:13] <genii> bdizzle: Don't forget to change fs type after in the /etc/fstab
[03:13] <bdizzle> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[03:13] <bdizzle> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[03:13] <bdizzle> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[03:13] <bdizzle> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
[03:13] <bdizzle>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[03:13] <bdizzle> Command (m for help):
[03:14] <bdizzle> ... is there a GUI way to do this so that I dont screw up my computer?
[03:14] <genii> bdizzle: Thats fine. You used only   sudo fdisk /dev/sda          and NOT sda1  yes?
[03:14] <bdizzle> because yes, unless someone hands me some instructions, I will forget stuff because I won't know that it exists
[03:14] <bdizzle> yes
[03:14] <genii> bdizzle: You can also use qtparted
[03:14] <tacosarecool> pastebinit dmesg
[03:15] <genii> bdizzle: You may need to install that first however
[03:15] <genii> tacosarecool: Yes, but on your box
[03:15] <bdizzle> might be worth it if its harder to mess up that way
[03:15] <tacosarecool> it's not on the package manager
[03:15] <genii> tacosarecool: Then it should report a URL. Copy that to here, it is the pastebin address that dmesg result went to
[03:16] <genii> !info pastebinit | tacosarecool
[03:16] <bdizzle> alright, while I'm waiting for that, what is this new error about the bookmarks anytime I close a window in dolphin?
[03:16] <genii> tacosarecool: Enable universe
[03:16] <genii> bdizzle: As I said earlier, probable cause is messy permissions
[03:16] <bdizzle> and the fix is?
[03:17] <tacosarecool> I do
[03:17] <tacosarecool> But some things aren't fetching
[03:17] <genii> bdizzle to fix if the case: sudo chown -Rh bdizzle:bdizzle /home/bdizzle/.kde
[03:17] <tacosarecool> Can I make a txt file
[03:17] <OpenSorce> Ok, 6 minutes til the download is finished....anything I should know before the install?
[03:18] <tacosarecool> Then I private message you
[03:18] <genii> tacosarecool: No
[03:18] <tacosarecool> ok
[03:18] <genii> tacosarecool: I do not accept PM for assisting, only in public channel
[03:18] <bdizzle> okay, that fixed it, thanks
[03:18] <bdizzle> now what did that do?
[03:19] <genii> bdizzle: Running dolphin with sudo will do it, or as root when in bdizzle's home directory
[03:19] <bdizzle> ah, okay
[03:19] <bdizzle> ... and why is qt parted trying to open, but just closes out?
[03:19] <genii> bdizzle: Instead of with GUI version of sudo (kdesu/kdesudo)
[03:19] <craig_> genii: any chance you can help me with my kaffeine issue?
[03:19] <ssrunner> Can someone help me with a sound problem?
[03:19] <bdizzle> ah, didn't realize they weren't interchangable
[03:19] <genii> craig_: Unfortunately I'm overextended at the moment
[03:20] <ardchoille> genii: I'm watching but waiting to jump in with something I actually know how to help with :)O
[03:20] <jmichaelx> craig_: if you are in hardy, i had the same issue and could never rectify it. it started after some updates a month or so ago.
[03:20] <genii> ardchoille: More coffee! <laughing>
[03:20] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:20] <ssrunner> Hm, well if anyone knows why all my sound would stop working after a Hardy to Intrepid update, please let me know
[03:20] <tacosarecool> I know some of the problem though it seems to have a problem fetching stuff
[03:21] <manish> how do i group chat in kopete
[03:21] <ardchoille> tacosarecool: That's going to happen today since it's release day and the repos are being hit hard
[03:21] <jmichaelx> craig_: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:21] <tacosarecool> Oh yeah
[03:21] <tacosarecool> Ok
[03:21] <tacosarecool> I need wine though
[03:21] <ssrunner> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098683.0
[03:21] <ssrunner> that's my problem if anyone is free
[03:21] <genii> tacosarecool: Ah. So maybe the lag is it running the update manager and timing out on hammered repositories
[03:22] <genii> tacosarecool: Get wine from their site instead
[03:22] <ardchoille> genii: been happening to me all day
[03:22] <tacosarecool> Oh duh
[03:22] <tacosarecool> Oops
[03:22] <bdizzle> okay, qtparted is claiming I need to run e2fsck
[03:22] <genii> tacosarecool: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[03:22] <bdizzle> just run it with automatic repair?
[03:22] <tacosarecool> I got to download key
[03:22] <tacosarecool> That's why
[03:22] <genii> bdizzle: I would suggest that, yes
[03:22] <tacosarecool> For wine
[03:23] <bdizzle> k, thanks
[03:23] <craig_> jmichaelx:where do I find that info?
[03:23] <genii> bdizzle: Wait, is this for a mounted partition?
[03:23] <bdizzle> I guess?
[03:24] <genii> bdizzle: Hold off on the fsck
[03:24] <bdizzle> when I run qtparted, it claims file system was not cleanly unmounted! you should run e2fsck
[03:24] <bdizzle> Modifying an unclean file system could cause severe corruption.
[03:24] <genii> bdizzle: Yes.
[03:25] <genii> bdizzle: So boot into Recovery kernel, then run fsck on the / partition.    Then go to multiuser by:   telinit 2
[03:25] <genii> bdizzle: Then do the qtparted deal again, etc etc
[03:26]  * ardchoille hands genii a coffee
[03:26] <bdizzle> wiat, did I mess it up that badly?
[03:26] <genii> ardchoille: Thank you muchly!
[03:26] <genii> bdizzle: Nah. Likely just a hard poweroff at some time or so
[03:27] <bdizzle> ok
[03:27] <bdizzle> what is the telinit2?
[03:27] <ardchoille> run level 2, the default
[03:27] <bdizzle> ok
[03:27] <genii> bdizzle: This changes the default mode of Recovery kernel from single user mode to multi user mode. So them kdm starts, etc
[03:27] <bdizzle> okay
[03:28] <manish> hi genii: Do you know how to group chat in kopete
[03:28] <genii> bdizzle: Space between telinit and 2   there :)
[03:28] <bdizzle> so from recovery kernel, run fsck -p on / (root), then type in telinit 2 ?
[03:28] <genii> manish: No, I do not use that application, sorry.
[03:28] <jmichaelx> craig_: are you running hardy or intrepid?
[03:28] <bdizzle> just making sure I got all of this correct as I am writing it down so do
[03:29] <ardchoille> manish: I'd say you're group chatting right now :)
[03:29] <craig_> hardy
[03:29] <_kyr> hello
[03:29] <genii> bdizzle: Whatever the /dev/name   is of your /   do the fsck on it     like:   fsck /dev/sda5
[03:29] <bdizzle> okay
[03:29] <digitalpsyko> can someone link me to the medibuntu page for kubuntu im using intrepid
[03:29] <genii> bdizzle: Then the telinit 2   after
[03:29] <bdizzle> okay
[03:29] <genii> !medibuntu
[03:29] <tacosarecool> The problem is it's getting laggy
[03:29] <digitalpsyko> ty genii
[03:30] <tacosarecool> It's not freezing completely
[03:30] <genii> digitalpsyko: It's same for Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:30] <jmichaelx> craig_: ok, i was never able to fix that problem in hardy. through every version of kubuntu, from my experience, an update to kaffeine or xine comes out that breaks kaffeine, and they never fix it.
[03:30] <bdizzle> okay, and I need to remember how to take a screenshot to show you what qtparted is showing
[03:30] <bdizzle> it looks like a complete mess
[03:30] <digitalpsyko> ty genii i had no idea :)
[03:30] <maverick_> hey,the  pidgin icon doesnt appear on the system tray  on my sys
[03:30] <maverick_> a lil help please
[03:30] <genii> digitalpsyko: Whether yet they have 8.10 packages I do not know
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> ive been messing with the beta
[03:31] <jmichaelx> craig_: if i were  you, i would recommend just installing smplayer, and use that instead of kaffeine
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> had it setup
[03:31] <ardchoille> maverick_: did yo enable the tray icon in the pidgin options?
[03:31] <coz_> hey all
[03:31] <maverick_> i think so
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> but fergots where teh medibuntu was
[03:31] <digitalpsyko> o.0
 where can I find smplayr?
[03:32] <ardchoille> craig_: check the repos; apt-cache search smplay
[03:32] <Rioting_pacifist> !metalink
[03:32] <maverick_> okay, whenever i close pidgin, it doesnt appear on the tray, but it seems to be still running, when i checked the system monitor
[03:32] <jmichaelx> craig_: just enter 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smplayer' into a terminal
[03:32] <Rioting_pacifist> erm how do i used the md5sum-metalink files
[03:32] <genii> tacosarecool: Were you able at all yet to pastebin your dmesg ?
[03:32] <jmichaelx> craig_: i guess i should have asked you whether or not you have installed all the codecs, etc.?
[03:33] <genii> tacosarecool: Also maybe look at result of top or ktop
[03:33] <craig_> yes I have
[03:33] <manish> ardchoille: ya i am group chatting now but i want to group chat with my friends who have google account. Hence i use kopete. If you know how to do it there or any app where in i could group chat then please tell me
[03:33] <jmichaelx> ok
[03:33] <ardchoille> manish: hold on..
[03:34] <jmichaelx> craig_: you'll like smplayer, it is a good replacement for kaffeine... especially because it does not get broken as often
[03:34] <tacosarecool> Anyway
[03:34] <ardchoille> manish: I only see File > Create New Group, I don't see any way to go to a pre-existing group.
[03:35] <ardchoille> manish: Perhaps go to kopete and press f1, check the handbook, that's all I can tell you.
[03:35] <craig_> thanks a lot!
[03:36] <jmichaelx> yw
[03:37] <mot_> hmm
[03:37] <mot_> i have libdvdcss2 installed but kaffeine still tells me this dvd is encrypted
[03:37] <jmichaelx> i really don't get why a program like kaffeine, which is very nice when it works, is always broken, then fixed, broken, then fixed
[03:37] <mot_> did 8.10 bork kaffeine or something?
[03:38] <ardchoille> mot_: how did you install libdvdcss2?
[03:38] <jmichaelx> mot_: kaffeine is often borked. i am not sure how it is in intrepid since i have quit using it. i have switched to smplayer
[03:38] <manish> ardchoille: the new group is for segregatign the friends contacts in tto groups and not for group chat. any ways thanks for your suggestion.
[03:38] <mot_> there's an install script in /usr/share/docs/kaffeine/
[03:38] <ardchoille> manish: ah, ok
[03:39] <genii> It is 11:32PM here, and must leave. 3 hours of sleep yesterday after being in #ubuntu-release-party all night.
[03:39] <ardchoille> mot_: ok, that's similar to the way it was done in previous releases
[03:39] <ardchoille> take care genii
[03:39] <tacosarecool> Ah this is laggy sometimes
[03:40] <genii> I am back on in 9 1/2 hours for a period of 8 hours if there is someone I am in midst of assisting that wishes to continue sometime during that period
[03:40] <manish> archiille: needed to ask one thing. what is the desktop environment for interpid
[03:40] <genii> Goodnight
[03:40] <bdizzle> wait
[03:40] <tacosarecool> kde 4
[03:40] <bdizzle> ugh
[03:41] <bdizzle> so much for that, I'll have to wait unless someone else can pick up where he left off
[03:41] <ardchoille> bdizzle: what was going on?
[03:41] <mot_> well look at that, works great in vlc
[03:41] <mot_> well while there are people active.
[03:41] <bdizzle> trying to figure out why one of my partitions was mounting from /mnt instead of /media
[03:41] <ardchoille> bdizzle: did you check /etc/fstab?
[03:42] <mot_> does anybody know why kde 4.1.2 in 8.10 won't retain settings? i.e. none of my widgets stay in the same place when i reboot, they're back to default size...any shortcuts i drag onto the taskbar are gone when i reboot
[03:42] <jmichaelx> vlc and smplayer  are great. i like the new qt4 vlc.
[03:42] <bdizzle> yeah, I think all it needed was a reboot
[03:42] <bdizzle> it works now
[03:42] <ardchoille> ok
[03:42] <ssrunner> So does anyone know why my sound would totally stop working from HH to II?
[03:43] <ssrunner> All the mixer settings are turned to 100%
[03:43] <ssrunner> But the mute button seems to be stuck on
[03:43] <ssrunner> I'm not sure if that's the problem
[03:43] <bdizzle> gah, except I still can't write to the partition unless I'm root
[03:43] <bdizzle> which is bad
[03:43] <ardchoille> bdizzle: that's a simple matter of changing ownership of the mount point
[03:43] <bdizzle> simple if you know how, yes
[03:44] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:44] <ardchoille> bdizzle: what is the mount point?
[03:44] <bdizzle> um, /dev/sda1 ?
[03:45] <ardchoille> no, that's the device
[03:45] <bdizzle> (my computer is really messed up on the naming, I gotta fix all that next)
[03:45] <bdizzle> oh
[03:45] <ardchoille> you have to mount a device to a mount point to be able to use it
[03:45] <bdizzle> the base URL is file:///media/storage
[03:45] <tacosarecool> ardchoille
[03:45] <bdizzle> if that is what you mean
[03:45] <tacosarecool> Do you have a scott richie key?
[03:45] <ardchoille> for example the mopunt pont can be /media/storage
[03:45] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[03:45] <tacosarecool> Maybe I should get in the wine channel
[03:45] <tacosarecool> But wait
[03:46] <tacosarecool> Why does 8.10 lag sometimes
[03:46] <ardchoille> bdizzle: is it mounted right now?
[03:46] <tacosarecool> It's like sometimes it lags so hard
[03:46] <bdizzle> I belive so
[03:46] <bdizzle> I can read files off of it and its visible in  /media from dolphin
[03:47] <bdizzle> so I guess so?
[03:47] <ardchoille> bdizzle: type mount (by itself) and that will tell you info about all mounted file systems
[03:47] <bdizzle> yes, it is mounted
[03:47] <ardchoille> ok, so you want to be able to write to that device. you need to either use sudo or change the ownership of the mount point
[03:47] <bdizzle> okay
[03:48] <bdizzle> sudo chown ________    ________ (fill in the blank)
[03:48] <ardchoille> if you don't want to use sudo you can simply do; sudo chown bdizzle:bdizzle /media/storage
[03:49] <bdizzle> strange, it claims operation not permitted
[03:49] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you the owner of everything on the device?
[03:49] <bdizzle> I would assume so, I'm the only user of it
[03:49] <ardchoille> ok
[03:49] <ardchoille> and the device is what?
[03:50] <ardchoille> /dev/?
[03:50] <bdizzle> oh, that
[03:50] <bdizzle> I thought you meant the laptop itself, sorry
[03:50] <bdizzle> device would be /sda1 in this case
[03:50] <ardchoille> sda1? isn't that your installed system?
[03:51] <SkEmO> is there any program less complicatd that gimp i could use to draw?
[03:51] <SkEmO> something like paint for windows
[03:51] <bdizzle> ... no, I got silly when I was trying to install and uninstall stuff
[03:51] <bdizzle> um, let's see
[03:52] <nb72> I need some help.  Tried upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10.  Got dumped to BusyBox console.  Now running live CD.  When installing without format (home not on seperate partition) I get the error:  Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed
[03:52] <nb72> Anybody have any ideas?
[03:53] <ardchoille> bdizzle: think of it this way; you have a door and you have a house. as long as the house is attached to the door (mounted) you see what's in the house when you open the door. if you move the house away from the door (unmount) then you see nothing when you open the door
[03:53] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:54] <bdizzle> um, /dev/sda3 is extended with 51 GB on it, with /dev/sda5 on NTFS with ~11 GB on it (storage drive), /dev/sda6 is the swap, and /dev/sda7 is the kubuntu partition with 39.07 GB
[03:55] <ardchoille> so it's sda5?
[03:55] <bdizzle> for what?
[03:55] <bdizzle> the partition I am having issues with?
[03:56] <bdizzle> no, that is sda1
[03:56] <ardchoille> storage, yes
[03:56] <bdizzle> storage is sda1
[03:56] <ardchoille> you didn't list sda1 above
[03:56] <ardchoille> ok, your kubuntu system is on sda7?
[03:56] <bdizzle> yeah, its /dev/sda1, its a FAT32 drive with a total space of 9.77 GB
[03:56] <bdizzle> yes
[03:57] <ardchoille> ok, type; mount | grep /sda1
[03:57] <bdizzle> kubuntu is on sda7, swap on sda6, windows on sda 2, one storage drive (media) on sda5, and the current issue on sda1
[03:57] <bdizzle> k
[03:57] <bdizzle> it says: /dev/sda1 on /media/storage type vfat (rw)
[03:58] <ardchoille> ok, type; sudo chown bdizzle:bdizzle /media/storage
[03:58] <ArrPirate> Hi. I'm used to running Ubuntu and I decided to try Kubuntu... my computer is rather nice and runs Ubuntu with full desktop effects with no problem but things  seem very slow and laggy in Kubuntu
[03:58] <bdizzle> it claims operation not permitted
[03:59] <ArrPirate> like if I go to drag one of the widgets it takes like 5 or 6 seconds to actually move
[03:59] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you in sudoers?
[03:59] <ardchoille> type; sudo ls /root
[03:59] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:59] <bdizzle> it still claims not allowed
[04:00] <ardchoille> looks like you aren't in sudoers, so you won't be able to use sudo
[04:00] <ArrPirate> Anyone know why kde should be lagging so much for me?
[04:00] <bdizzle> okay, so how do I get into it?
[04:00] <ardchoille> bdizzle: are you currently using the account you used when you did the inital install?
[04:00] <bdizzle> yes
[04:01] <ardchoille> hmm, I've never had that happen to me, so I'm not going to be able to help you restore your sudoers privs, sorry :(
[04:01] <bdizzle> :(
[04:01] <ardchoille> I know it can be done, I just don't know how to do it
[04:02] <ardchoille> so, your new priority is to get back into sudoers, forget everything else until you get that done
[04:02] <bdizzle> what is sudoers?
[04:03] <ardchoille> /etc/sudoers is a file which allows elevated privileges
[04:03] <ardchoille> !sudo | bdizzle this might help
[04:03] <bdizzle> ok
[04:03] <bdizzle> but I was using sudo and entering my password in
[04:03] <ardchoille> that's correct
[04:04] <ardchoille> the fact that your password won't work is a testament that you aren't in sudoers
[04:04] <bdizzle> so then what is wrong?
[04:04] <ardchoille> the system doesn't find your username in the sudoers file so the system thinks you dont have sudo privs
[04:05] <bdizzle> strange
[04:05] <ardchoille> bdizzle: do yo have a livecd handy?
[04:06] <ArrPirate> Anyone know why everything seems so laggy in KDE but in Gnome everything's fine even with all the compiz effects turned on?
[04:06] <bdizzle> no, I don't
[04:06] <ardchoille> ok
[04:06] <ardchoille> bdizzle: I know of a small livecd that you can download and burn and it has a lot of admin tools on it, wnat the link?
[04:07] <bdizzle> how do I edit the sudoers file to add myself back
[04:07] <ardchoille> you would have to use "sudo visudo" or use a livecd to mount the main system and edit it that way
[04:07] <bdizzle> only if you walk me through it
[04:07] <bdizzle> on windows, sure, no prob
[04:07] <ardchoille> do you know how to burn an iso to a cd?
[04:08] <bdizzle> ye
[04:08] <bdizzle> s
[04:08] <ardchoille> !sysresccd | bdizzle
[04:08] <joe_> i am talking to a friend of mine and she told me that her computer is very messed up and that she has alot of trogans and virri's but she didn't do them herself her friend's r the one's that did put them on here, how can u guy's help me out with her?
[04:08] <bdizzle> linux, I've only used it for a little under a year, so I haven't gotten to much of the underneath the hood stuff
[04:08] <ardchoille> bdizzle: you're in for a crash course :)
[04:08] <bdizzle> yeah, I figured
[04:09] <joe_> her friend downloaded antispare 09 and she can't even delete it cuz it wont let her do so.
[04:09] <joe_> can anyone help me out here?
[04:09] <joe_> i know little thing's about computer's but noth'n like this srry to say
[04:10] <joe_> here's another problem that she does have
[04:10] <joe_> the xp antispyware 09 thingy now when i go to delete the program it comes up to download it and i cant delete it so idk wat to do to get rid of it
[04:10] <joe_> 23:08 : and my scanner wont rid of it will it??
[04:10] <joe_> can anyone help me out???
[04:10] <ardchoille> joe is this in Windows?
[04:10] <joe_> yes
[04:11] <joe_> xp home
[04:11] <ardchoille> joe_: we can't help with Windows OS
[04:11] <joe_> then, who can???
[04:11] <ardchoille> ##windows maybe
[04:11] <joe_> ok thnx
[04:11] <ardchoille> this is a supprot channel for Kubuntu Linux
[04:12] <joe_> srry that i don't know much about window's probly it's cuz ive been us'n linux and NOT window's
[04:12] <joe_> lol
[04:12] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:12] <ardchoille> I haven't used Windows since 2001 so I know nothing about it
[04:12] <joe_> yeah i know that, i'm not a dumb ass i just thought that u guy's would be able to help me out since u guy's have had to use window's sometime in ur life
[04:12] <joe_> ^_^
[04:13] <joe_> i haven't used window's in about 3 to 4 month's
[04:13] <joe_> yeah i know, laff it rite up
[04:13] <ardchoille> Actually the fact that you use Linux shows me you're smart :)
[04:14] <joe_> how, so?
[04:14] <ardchoille> Topic for another channel I'm afraid
[04:14] <joe_> then im me and tell me
[04:15] <draik> Hello all
[04:15] <ardchoille> hi draik
[04:15] <draik> Any people here on 8.10?
[04:15] <draik> ardchoille: Hello
[04:15] <draik> I'm curious as to how it all looks and responds right now.
[04:16] <ardchoille> I played with it for about an hour and was impressed
[04:16] <ardchoille> And I hated it kde4 when it was released
[04:16] <draik> ardchoille: (That's what she said. Sorry)
[04:16] <opensorce> okay.....wow
[04:16] <nixternal> [/wi3
[04:17] <nixternal> yay! \o/, Kubuntu 5.10 rocks!
[04:17] <draik> IIRC, didn't Amarok cease working with KDE4?
[04:17] <ardchoille> nixternal: and is quite old
[04:17] <opensorce> Everything actually works in Kubuntu this time
[04:17] <draik> nixternal: You may want to try adding 3 years to it
[04:17] <nixternal> except Ant and Zsh...well they work, just not correclty :)
[04:17] <nixternal> 5.10 is stable
[04:18] <nixternal> or is it stale? i forget
[04:18] <ardchoille> nixternal: that's an old release, current is 8.10
[04:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:19] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[04:19] <nixternal> enjoy the Ibex!
[04:21] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:23] <draik> Is there support for 7.10?
[04:24] <ardchoille> draik: 6 more months?
[04:24] <needhelp> yes
[04:24] <draik> Linux has the hosts file in /etc/hosts. Where do they exist in Windows?
[04:24] <ardchoille> unless 7.10 was an LTS, I don't even know which Kubuntu releases were LTS
[04:25] <draik> It was 6.06, I recall that much
[04:25] <draik> So then...
[04:25] <draik> Yup, 7.10
[04:25] <draik> 9.04 will be the next LTS
[04:25] <juan> hola
[04:25] <ardchoille> nice
[04:25] <juan> hay alguien por hay
[04:25] <ardchoille> so support for 7.10 will run out before support for 6.06 does
[04:26] <draik> !sp | juan
[04:26] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:26] <condon> Can someone tell me if there is a way to set wine up (or if it installs set up) to use a 'logon'/'user name' - Trying to run a program that allocates memory to the logged in user account...
[04:26] <draik> !es | juan
[04:26] <condon> don't know what the user name for the windows environment is
[04:26] <juan> ok
[04:27] <needhelp> hi i'm using kubuntu 7.10, i want to use the proprietary drivers for my nvidia 8400.. so i go system settings-->advance-->restricted drivers, i log in admin mode, but the option there remains grey! helppp
[04:27] <opensorce> Does Kubuntu enable ipv6 support by default?
[04:28] <condon> opensource, I believe so, I had to disable it
[04:29] <opensorce> grrr....why do they do that...wouldn't a checkbox be easier?
[04:29] <condon> use firefox?
[04:29] <condon> lol, don't know man, what's worse is when your new and have no idea that's why your browsers running so freakin slow
[04:30] <opensorce> Okay, so if I came in here and said: "Help my internet is really slow!" diabling ipv6 would be a suggestion right?
[04:30] <condon> Yep
[04:30] <opensorce> That's what I needed to know
[04:30] <opensorce> Can it be disabled from the gui?
[04:30] <condon> in firefox (possibly others, only one I use) just type "about:config", in the filter, put ipv6, right click and disable (it'll be the only selection)
[04:31] <opensorce> That was my next question.....anyone know how a new user would disable it system-wide easily?
[04:31] <condon> Sorry, it's a double-click on the line, not a right-click
[04:31] <opensorce> I know condon :-)
[04:31] <condon> ah...talking network wide or PC
[04:32] <opensorce> I'm writing a review :-)
[04:32] <condon> ah
[04:32] <ardchoille> at least the firefox devs made it easy
[04:32] <condon> gotcha
[04:32] <opensorce> PC, can it be done from the gui easily
[04:32] <opensorce> something a newb could do?
[04:33] <ardchoille> I seem to remember disabling ipv6 by editing /etc/hosts
[04:33] <condon> echo "alias net-pf-10 off" >> /etc/modprobe.conf (will send link too)
[04:33] <ardchoille> yep, that's it
[04:33] <condon> http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Disable_IPv6
[04:33] <condon> sudo of course
[04:33] <opensorce> condon, the fact that you knew how to do that in firefox is a big plus in my write up btw...
[04:33] <ardchoille> maybe not
[04:33] <ardchoille> I must go rest
[04:33] <opensorce> So, a CLI edit is needed?
[04:34] <condon> lol, don't give me too much credit man, that's all google
[04:34] <opensorce> I've run help channel before....google is your best tool :-)
[04:35] <asobi> why can't soundKonverter convert m4a to mp3?
[04:35] <condon> This is my third install of OS in a year or so (had feisty end of 07, early 08, somewhere in there, wanted to play COD4 and wine was cranky :) so, back to windows, then saw the new ubuntu out here and been back into the linux world
[04:35] <condon> for good this time god willing.
[04:35] <condon> Still have the notes from Feisty :) big help
[04:36] <opensorce> I do 10 to 11 reviews a year
[04:36] <opensorce> You wouldn't believe how many I've done on this machine
[04:37] <condon> :) reviewing for wiki, corp, publications?
[04:37] <draik> I keep a few notebooks around my desk for different things that I come across while using Linux. It helps for resolving other's issues.
[04:37] <condon> Sounds like a nice gig none the less so long as it's paid :)
[04:38] <condon> lol, I'd love that draik, but I can barely swing the high-speed internet that makes having a computer worth while :)
[04:38] <opensorce> Publication, and yeah it's paid....I would not review MicroSuse for free :-)
[04:39] <opensorce> ooo...bad.....
[04:39] <opensorce> wine does not show up in the installanle apps :-(
[04:39] <opensorce> *installable
[04:42] <condon> lol, microsuse
[04:42] <condon> what distro are you reviewing now?
[04:42] <condon> asobi, still here man?
[04:42] <asobi> hi
[04:44] <condon> I don't know about soundKonverter, but I found a nifty set of scripts if your interested.  3 scripts, first one converts every m4a file in a directory to wav, then every wav to mp3, then it cleans up the file names for you (you'll understand when you look at the scripts why the cleanup is necessary)
[04:44] <condon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/converting-m4a-to-mp3-170553/
[04:44] <draik> condon: These are notebooks that I've been writing since I started back on June 1, 2006 with 6.06
[04:44] <condon> All you need is lame and mplayer for it to work.
[04:45] <condon> AHHHH, NOTEBOOKS...lol, Totally took that the wrong way, was thinking laptop/notebook :)
[04:45] <condon> I'm braindead this time of night.  Yeah, that's my story too, have volumes of notes here and there, all backed up on dvd, copied from one distro to the next :)
[04:45] <draik> I'm doing VNC to my gf's computer because someone went spank-happy and got who-knows-what in there
[04:45] <condon> lol, nice.
[04:46] <opensorce> It's kinda awesome that Kubuntu completely embraces kde4 (Oxygen, etc) while Mandriva just made it look like 3.x
[04:46] <condon> I get to clean my bosses's computers up every few months.  Anyone with kids should not be allowed to let them use their computers without some sort of monitoring software.  Hell, keeps me in a job though :)
[04:46] <draik> condon: Not really. I've been at this since Monday
[04:47] <condon> well, not so nice then :)
[04:47] <condon> unless you're getting paid, cleanup sucks.
[04:47] <draik> I try to clean it and then I have about a 5 minute window of usage before her system decides to shutdown.
[04:47] <condon> Still sucks really, just a little less.
[04:48] <condon> ouch.  No hardware warnings (S.M.A.R.T. harddrive warnings) or anything like that?
[04:48] <draik> Nope
[04:48] <draik> WinXP. Going in through Safe Mode with Networking
[04:48] <draik> Can't use "normal" boot
[04:48] <condon> hm.  That's why I despise windows.  It's so easy for a computer-savy person to destroy...the computer illiterate just demolish them.
[04:49] <opensorce> lol
[04:49] <condon> opensorce, I hear ya man, I'm loving the new kde.  Still figuring it all out but it's certainly flashy (while remaining useful)
[04:49] <asobi> wow. very detailed. maybe too much so for a beginner but thanks
[04:49] <draik> I'm running PS3 on the side and it's funny to see that AmarokApp and XORG are running at a higher usage level than TSClient
[04:50] <draik> And I just got booted.
[04:50] <draik> UGH
[04:50] <condon> eh, not too hard, just google a bit for creating the scripts, drop them in your directory and run them (probably gonna take a while to convert a whole folder)
[04:51] <jhdinsdale> !list
[04:52] <condon> OK, complete newb question to make you all feel smarter :)
[04:52] <condon> WTF is the dashboard in kde4
[04:52] <condon> (probably in earlier versions too)
[04:56]  * draik is bored
[04:57] <draik> Is there a way to download definition updates for programs? Spyware Hunter, for example?
[05:02] <b0nn> hrm, I've dist-upgraded, but have now filled my HDD
[05:03] <digitalpsyko> o.0
[05:03] <b0nn> how do I get rid of unnecessary fluff related to the upgrade?
[05:05] <pipegeek> quick question about kopete in intrepid..... it seems that there's no way to configure the font color used in sent messages, and, moreover, the spell-check-as-you-type feature temporarily changes the color of any red-underlined text.  Is there any way to fix this?    Take it easy.
[05:31] <setuid_w00t> Is pointing my sources.list at the intrepid sources and then running aptitude sufficient to upgrade from hardy?
[05:35] <ezzieyguywuf> so, how is the new kde compared to the last version?
[05:36] <ezzieyguywuf> i'm a gnome user. tried out a fresh install of kubuntu a week and a half ago (hardy heron) and did not really like it
[05:36] <ezzieyguywuf> i'm all for giving it another chance, but if the new version is pretty similar to the last release i probably won't
[05:40] <deftone> how do i update drivers?
[05:40] <nicobrain> good morning
[05:40] <nicobrain> i have trouble with the update to 8.10
[05:41] <nicobrain> after the upgrgrade i become only a blank black screen with the mouse
[05:43] <nicobrain> anybody here?
[05:43] <taupter_nb> Hi there. Problem here. 8.10 amd64, freshly installed (not upgraded), Broadcom 4311 (using STA driver, modules wl, ieee80211_crypt, ieee80211_crypt_tkip) doesn't connect to an AP using WPA.
[05:55] <taupter_nb> Hi there. Problem here. 8.10 amd64, freshly installed (not upgraded), Broadcom 4311 (using STA driver, modules wl, ieee80211_crypt, ieee80211_crypt_tkip) doesn't connect to an AP using WPA. Finds SSID.
[06:01] <mot_> anybody else unable to get their kde4 settings to save after a reboot? my taskbar shortcuts, folder view position/sizing and other widget settings keep reverting to default.
[06:07] <MariachiElf> Anyone got video to work on 8.10 under MS Virtual Server 2007
[06:07] <MariachiElf> ?
[06:10] <blinkm> hello ppl down there
[06:25] <jtmoney> is anyone here familiar with fakeraid (firmware-based raid)? i'm wondering why it's recommended that it NOT be used with ubuntu... if i set up a simple RAID1 (mirrored) array, would i not be able to take one of the drives and use it with a new RAID controller, if need be?
[06:26] <madnux_> hi all!
[06:26] <madnux_> i need some help, I upgrade to 8.10 from kubuntu 8.04
[06:27] <cryingtux> kubuntu 8.10 is giving me "pink and black screen only on reboot"
[06:27] <cryingtux> what a weird thing!
[06:27] <madnux_> install the packages, restart and after grub I see a message someting with /var/run/klog or something like that
[06:28] <madnux_> the system can't write
[06:28] <cryingtux> all i see is a 2/3rd pink and 1/3 black screen with no desktop
[06:28] <cryingtux> anybody knows what is going wrong ?
[06:30] <xevix> cryingtux, is this after trying to log in through kdm, or before kdm pops up?
[06:30] <beta-guy> how to I get the Panel at the bottom of the screen to fill the entirety of the the bottom of the screen?
[06:31] <cryingtux> xevious: on boot from livecd, all i get is that
[06:31] <cryingtux> system fully boots into that pink black thing
[06:31] <deftone> beta-guy
[06:32] <deftone> right click and hit panel settings
[06:32] <jmichaelx> madnux_: are you able to log in at all?
[06:32] <madnux_> jmichaelx, no
[06:32] <deftone> u see the two blue arrows facing down? drag one the left and the other to the right.
[06:33] <beta-guy> deftone thanks
[06:33] <jmichaelx> madnux_: have you tried hitting, say, ctl-alt-f2 and logging in?
[06:33] <deftone> welcome
[06:33] <madnux_> after charging grub, select the kernel (last), the kubuntu splash appear... before the progress bar get full, change to text mode and show a error
[06:34] <madnux_> no X loading here
[06:34] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i understand that..... have you tried entering ctl-alt-f2 and signing in?
[06:34] <madnux_> something appear with /var/run/kdlog, the system can't write
[06:35] <madnux_> not yet
[06:36] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i had what sounds like the same problem.... and i had to just do a fresh install. however, there is no way to know whether or not this is actually the same problem
[06:36] <cryingtux> i guess kubuntu is not for me anymore or i should go back to 7.10
[06:36] <jmichaelx> madnux_: i was able to sign in, but it would not let me use 'sudo' or write to anything
[06:37] <madnux_> jmichaelx, I will try to make a fresh install, the .iso still downloading
[06:37] <madnux_> jmichaelx, with the livecd I backup all my files
[06:38] <jmichaelx> madnux_: good... and i would recommend, if possible, to have your /home dir on a separate partition, that way re-installing is not nearly so painful
[06:38] <jmichaelx> madnux_: what kind of hardware do you have?
[06:38] <madnux_> jmichaelx, ok
[06:40] <madnux_> jmichaelx, Pentium 4 HT 3.0 Ghz, 1 GB RAM, 250 GB on SATA, Nvidia 7950 GT
[06:40] <MariachiElf> Anyone heard of a problem where only 1/3 of the screen is visible
[06:41] <MariachiElf> I have a bunch of green and black bars in the top/middle of the screen and the rest is black
[06:41] <jmichaelx> madnux_:    ok, quite different than what i have.... i am just trying to figure out what caused all of this
[06:41] <MariachiElf> I have disabled X in all capacities as far as I can tell
[06:41] <MariachiElf> but I can't tell really well
[06:41] <madnux_> jmichaelx, if I can login, I wll try with another apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:42] <madnux_> maybe some package is corrupt
[06:42] <jmichaelx> madnux_: good luck. i was able to log in, but it would not let me use sudo
[06:42] <madnux_> 65 % ISO
[06:44] <faileas> MariachiElf: sounds a LOT like  an error i got with non standard resolutions. try control alternate (some f key) to see if virtual terminals look ok?
[06:45] <MariachiElf> Terminal looks the same
[06:45] <MariachiElf> I see errors on not able to set 640x480
[06:45] <MariachiElf> I am installing on MS Virtual Server 2007
[06:45] <carloslicea> ey I cannot install kooka!
[06:45] <faileas> 'the same' as in messed up or ok?
[06:45] <CrypTom> hi all, I've upgraded my dapper server to hardy and now I have the problem that after every reboot I've got to resetup the console keymap (dpkg-reconfigure console-data)
[06:45] <CrypTom> why is this not persistent?
[06:46] <MariachiElf> I see references to not supporting a color depth of 24, but supposedly the console should be ok
[06:46] <MariachiElf> faileas: Yes the consolse is messed up too
[06:46] <carloslicea> why isn't kooka available for instalation?
[06:46] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm, thats very odd
[06:47] <MariachiElf> faileas: I tried a "recovery mode" startup thinking that X wouldn't try and run
[06:47] <bob__> hello
[06:47] <carloslicea> !scan
[06:47] <MariachiElf> faileas: I can't tell if X tried to start or not, but the screen is messed up in single mode too
[06:47] <faileas> MariachiElf: which disk are you using? the standard one or alt?
[06:47] <faileas> er, standard alt or server i mean
[06:48] <bob__> I have installed Kubuntu Ibex, I don't retrieve the ark menu in Dolphin, how can I add it please?
[06:48] <MariachiElf> faileas: I installed with the alt  -- The standard desktop one gave me the same problems
[06:48] <MariachiElf> faileas: alternative i386
[06:48] <faileas> MariachiElf: try doing a text only install from alt
[06:49] <MariachiElf> faileas: I did -- and I have it installed
[06:49] <carloslicea> help! where do I get Kooka from 3.5?
[06:49] <MariachiElf> faileas: And I could read everything fine during the install
[06:49] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm. and when you installed x later things went wrong?
[06:50] <MariachiElf> faileas: Well I never installed X intentionally, I just did all the default stuff
[06:53] <MariachiElf> faileas: Somewhere during bootup the screen res changes and gets 1/3 usable
[06:53] <faileas> MariachiElf: hmm
[06:53] <faileas> how about safe mode?
[06:53] <carloslicea> !kde3
[06:53] <MariachiElf> faileas: Same problem which is a little confusing
[06:54] <MariachiElf> faileas: I assumed recovery mode wouldn't try and start X
[06:54] <carloslicea> I badly, as in a terrible thing will happen, need Kooka from the 3.5 series, I found the package in launchpad but I cannot meet the requeriments
[06:54] <faileas> no. safe mode is supposed to start x with failsafe settings
[06:54] <faileas> this is baffleing
[06:54] <carloslicea> what do I do!?
[06:54] <MariachiElf> faileas: Oh - that's my problem then
[06:55] <MariachiElf> faileas: I haven't figured out why yet, but my video is totally useless
[06:55] <faileas> MariachiElf: well.. unless you absolutely HAVE to use ms virtual server... might i suggest switching to vmware server or virtualbox?
[06:56] <MariachiElf> I'm familiar with VMWare so might use that
[06:57] <faileas> i hate suggesting alternates, but i haven't had much experience with MS VPC/server but i know ubuntu/kubuntu runs fine on the other two
[06:58] <MariachiElf> faileas: I'm doing a dist-upgrade (I just installed 8.10) after that I'll try forcing the resolutions on MS VS
[06:58] <faileas> MariachiElf: good luck.
[07:02] <MariachiElf> faileas: Thanks
[07:03] <busfahrer> Excuse me, is it possible to have a multi-line taskbar in KDE4?
[07:06] <woody86> I have Ubuntu 8.10 installed, and want to install Kubuntu 8.10 as well. Do I just go to Syanptic manager and install kubuntu-desktop and all it's required packages, or is there more to it?
[07:07] <Dedi> thats all
[07:08] <woody86> Dedi- well that's easy enough :)  And it'll be the latest KDE4.1 or whatever?
[07:08] <busfahrer> woody86: Yeah, KDE 4.1.2. It should ask you at the end if you want to change your login manager from gdm to kdm. If not, there's a command to do it
[07:08] <Dedi> yeah 412
[07:08] <woody86> very cool, thanks guys :)
[07:10] <miguel> hola
[07:10] <miguel> =)
[07:10] <woody86> hola miguel, como estas?
[07:13] <mankeletor> hi all, how can i bring the classic KDE power off menu back in kubuntu?
[07:20] <mankeletor> hi all, how can i bring the classic KDE power off menu back in kubuntu?
[07:22] <MariachiElf> faileas: Interesting -- I'm not sure what I've done -- I ran X -probeonly
[07:22] <MariachiElf> faileas: Then executed a startx
[07:23] <MariachiElf> faileas: and it is small (probably 640x480) but beautiful
[07:25] <jham__> Is there any way in Kubuntu 8.10 to change the keyboard shortcuts for things like copy & paste to Meta-C/V globablly across all apps?
[07:30] <Dedi> anyone else got strange IMAP behavior with kmail? (mails disapearing and reappering for any new mails which werent here when starting kmail)
[07:48] <squid0> hi. I have a package for an X driver that's giving me hassles. I'd like to use the same package from the previous release (Hardy). I thought I'd download the .deb, and then install it via dpkg. How do I force apt to use the old package, even when I upgrade?
[07:48] <squid0> (the old package worked fine)
[07:52] <Ratchet4620> i dont think that they are too active at 3am sorry :3
[07:54] <ardchoille> squid0: That would only lead you on a trail of problem after problem
[07:55] <squid0> Ratchet4620: thanks... well it's 9:55am where I am
[07:55] <ardchoille> it's called dependency hell
[07:55] <Ratchet4620> ah :)
[07:55] <squid0> ardchoille: ah. so what can I do if my graphics card driver is buggy?
[07:55] <squid0> the intel driver, particularly
[07:56] <squid0> practically I can't watch video
[07:56] <ardchoille> squid0: What I did was go back to Hardy and will wait for 9.04 and see if it's better.
[07:56] <squid0> ardchoille: right. and if I still want to stay in Intrepid?
[07:57] <ardchoille> I don't know what to tell you except upgrade your video equipment. But if you go forcing the install of packages made for previous distros you may end up have to replace tons of apps and libs and you may end up back on Hardy after all of that
[07:58] <squid0> right
[07:58] <squid0> I can't upgrade the hardware; it's a very stable, common Intel graphics card, and it's built in to my laptop :p
[07:59] <aomegax4> Hi
[07:59] <ardchoille> well, I'll tell you that I saw numerous people in here today with video problems in Intrepid. You can always wait and see if they fix it
[08:00] <squid0> ardchoille: true. I've filed a bug report on freedesktop already
[08:00] <squid0> btw which is a better place to report bugs, freedesktop or ubuntu?
[08:00] <aomegax4> I'd like to know if I upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 my system will work
[08:00] <squid0> in terms of getting it fixed quicker
[08:00] <ardchoille> squid0: the best place to report *buntu bugs is launchpad
[08:00] <squid0> aomegax4: a good start is trying the live cd
[08:00] <ardchoille> !launchpad
[08:01] <squid0> ardchoille: ok...
[08:01] <aomegax4> squid0: so you say me to install all deleting my old version?
[08:03] <squid0> aomegax4: no. boot with the LIVE-CD, DO NOT install yet. see if that works. do you understand?
[08:03] <ardchoille> squid0: suppose you want packageX ut it only works with depA1 and you have depA2 installed. you need to remove depA2 and install depA1. But now packageW won't work because it's incompatible with depA1. So you remove packageW, but that's a dependency of 10 other packages. Can you see where this is going?
[08:04] <squid0> I do, ardchoille
[08:04] <ardchoille> I learned that the hard way some years ago
 I understand you...
[08:06] <squid0> aomegax4: ok, good. If you are not sure if installing a new system will work, first try the live-cd
[08:06] <squid0> aomegax4: afterwards, if you decide to install the system properly, first backup all of your data and files
[08:08] <ralpho> How do you resize the taskbar panel whatever its called 8.10
[08:08] <ralpho> doh
 why would I try first live cd? what would I decide on?
[08:11] <ardchoille> aomegax4: The livecd gives you a chance to "test drive" the distro and make an informed decision as to whether or not you want to install it
[08:11] <ardchoille> I tried the live cd to see if I wanted to install Intrepid over Hardy and decided not to. I couldn't have made that decision without the live cd
[08:11] <ardchoille> screenshot can only show you so much
[08:12] <woody86> ok, so what happened? I had Ubuntu 8.10 installed with the internet working, and I installed Kubuntu as well, but now I can't connect to my wireless network??
[08:12] <aomegax4> thanks ardchoille
[08:12] <ardchoille> yw :)
[08:22] <DaHopi> Hello :) is it possible to use all of my 4GB RAM on the new Kubuntu 8.10 i386?
[08:25] <favro> afaik you need to use the 64bit os for ram over about 3.5G - windows or linux
[08:28] <DaHopi> favro: ok.. thanx
[08:28] <favro> np
[08:31] <woody86> Can anyone help me out? I used to be able to connect fine in Gnome, but after I installed KDE, I can't connect to my netwrok in Gnome anymore
[08:33] <impulze> is it possible to build binaries in say ~/mykdestuff (given a source was configured with --prefix=/home/foo/mykdestuff) and add that to the kde search dirs?
[08:33] <impulze> i tried adding it in prefixes= in ~/.kderc [Directories] without any luck :(
[08:39] <DaHopi> impulze: maybe this will help!?: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=118134654509367&w=2
[08:39] <Machtin> howdy.. how can i make a screenshot.. pressing "print" doesn't have any effect
[08:39] <impulze> hm i wonder if kde reads PATH
[08:39] <impulze> will check
[08:40] <DaHopi> Machtin: ksnapshot is the tool u need..
[08:40] <Machtin> thanks
[08:40] <DaHopi> Machtin: u can create shortkey in systemsettings
[08:40] <Machtin> :) thanks again!
[08:40] <favro> woody86: can you use the network in kde? or is it just gnome that is giving grief?
[08:43] <Machtin> hm.. i don't get how to create a shortcut there
[08:43] <woody86> favro, I used to connect fine in gnome, but could not connect in KDE, and after installing KDE can't connect in Gnome now either
[08:46] <favro> woody86: can you paste the files /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:46] <favro> !paste | woody86
[08:47] <Machtin> so.. how do i add a shortkey to launch ksnapshot? :o
[08:47] <impulze> DaHopi: well now the stuff is in PATH
[08:47] <impulze> DaHopi: but the screensavers i installed won't show in the screen saver settings
[08:48] <woody86> favro, ok, just give me one second here, I'm not going to be able to use pastebin as the computer I'm having this problem with won't connect to the internet, was there anything in particular you're looking for from those files?
[08:49] <favro> woody86: sorry - of course you can't paste - in /etc/resolv.conf it should have your router ip address as the nameserver
[08:49] <favro> woody86: e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:51] <bentob0x> how can I save my current dolphin layout as being the default?
[08:56] <woody86> favro, it just says "# Generated by NetworkManager"
[08:57] <favro> woody86: I would manually add the nameserver address - nameserver  <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever is appropriate
[09:00] <woody86> favro, just add "nameserver 192....." to the file? just like that?
[09:00] <favro> woody86: the only line in my /etc/resolv.conf - nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:01] <woody86> favro, it's still not working
[09:01] <favro> woody86: you'll have to restart the network
[09:02] <favro> woody86: sudo /etc/init.d/network restart   in a terminal
[09:02] <deftone> so is ubuntu 8.10 live today?
[09:03] <impulze> so DaHopi any more ideas?
[09:03] <favro> !ibex
[09:03] <favro> hehe - deftone yep it is released
[09:03] <user6> I got this:   >>>>>> * Stopping Samba daemons... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill xxxx : No such process
[09:03] <woody86> favro, it's saying command not found
[09:03] <user6> WHAT IS???
[09:04] <DaHopi> Machtin: in Systemsettings->Keyboard and Mouse, there u can define snapshots
[09:04] <favro> woody86: try   ls /etc/init.d | grep network   to make sure
[09:05] <woody86> favro, "networking"
[09:05] <Machtin> DaHopi: i do find systemsettings -> keyboard and mouse.. and i find a list with shortcuts there.. but i can't find how to add one
[09:06] <favro> woody86: my bad then :) -  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:06] <deftone> favro: any place i can see what bugs were fixed...mainly Intel GM965 ?
[09:06] <DaHopi> impulze: try this.. :http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Add_kde_screensavers_to_xscreensaver
[09:07] <favro> !launchpad | deftone
[09:08] <woody86> favro, still not connecting :(
[09:08] <favro> woody86: k - and what is in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:08] <faileas> hmm
[09:08] <woody86> favro, the ip address for the nameserver is the one you'd type into a browser to configure the router, correct?
[09:09] <favro> woody86: correct
[09:09] <impulze> DaHopi: uhm but that won't work for plasmoids, themes, etc. :P
[09:10] <woody86> favro, "auto lo
[09:10] <woody86> iface lo inet loopback"
[09:10] <user6> Il file o la cartella smb://altrortla/ non esiste.
[09:11] <favro> woody86: using wired network? - there should be an entry for eth0 in that file
[09:11] <jb_> hello!
[09:11] <favro> !es | user6
[09:11] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:11] <user6> File or folder smb://altrortla/ not exist
[09:11] <woody86> favro, I don't have it wired right now
[09:12] <mkrahmeh> i use kde till last night, shut down and everything was fine..now i turned it on, and went into a gnome session, why ?
[09:12] <woody86> favro, I haven't had it wired in a long time
[09:12] <favro> user6: there should be a hostname or ip address in there somewhere iirc
[09:12] <favro> woody86: wireless?
[09:12] <user6> ubottu i'm italian not portugues
[09:12] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:12] <woody86> favro, yeah everything in my house is wireless
[09:13] <favro> user6: I thought it was spanish you were speaking...
[09:13] <user6> ok
[09:13] <deftone> how can i update my system now the 8.10 is live?
[09:13] <deftone> specifically video drivers is there are any for Intel GM965
[09:14] <deftone> *if there are any
[09:14] <user6> !samba
[09:14] <favro> woody86: you need an entry in there for wireless then - I never use wireless sorry - if you had to do steps to enable it before you need to redo them then
[09:15] <jtmoney> hey guys, what is the crescent-looking thing in the top-right corner of the screen? how can i disable it?
[09:15] <woody86> favro, ah, ok thanks :)
[09:15] <ardchoille> jtmoney: That allows you to add widgets to the main window
[09:16] <jtmoney> ardchoille: it's kind of ugly... i'd rather just right-click on the desktop or hit ^A, personally
[09:16] <jtmoney> do you know what it's called so i can google "how to remove <ugly thing in KDE>"? :)
[09:16] <ardchoille> jtmoney: Well, I always have so many windows open that I never see my desktop so much of plasma is wasted
[09:17] <ardchoille> it's part of plasma and I think we're stuck with it
[09:17] <favro> woody86: just a heads up - if you install a new kernel you need to redo things like wireless if they needed a module loaded
[09:17] <jb_> how can i format my usb hdd?
[09:18] <ardchoille> jb_: qtparted is a nice gui for that
[09:18] <woody86> favro, well I had upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 in Gnome with no side efects, but for some reason I installed KDE as well (still have Gnome, too) and it won't work?
[09:19] <deftone> Is anyone running compiz on Intel's GM965??//
[09:19] <favro> woody86: at this stage I can't offer any reasons for that - except it's prob murphys' law
[09:19] <woody86> favro, haha, too true. Thanks again for your help :)
[09:19] <CrazyKlompjes> Greetings! I have a big problem with my "adept_manager"
[09:19] <jb_> ardchoille: is there any application installed by default in K 8.10 that can do that?
[09:20] <CrazyKlompjes> I can't find apps to download using that manager...
[09:20] <ardchoille> jb_: Not that I'm aware of
[09:20] <CrazyKlompjes> the search yields no applications to download-
[09:20]  * ardchoille chants aptitude aptitude
[09:21] <CrazyKlompjes> but aptitude has no gui :(
[09:21] <CrazyKlompjes> so I can't browse through apps ardchoille-
[09:21] <ardchoille> that's true
[09:22] <ardchoille> I never thought of browsing through apps
[09:22] <favro> CrazyKlompjes: is it only looking for the cd to install from?
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> Maybe I just have to wait a week till people start releasing their Kubuntu 8.10 apps--more fully--
[09:22] <ardchoille> if I need a pdf reader I just do "apt-cache search pdf"
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> favro-no it isnt
[09:22] <CrazyKlompjes> I got the source list from http://www.kubuntuguide.org
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> oh...
[09:23] <favro> !info kpdf
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> let me try that-
[09:23] <jb_> ardchoille: therefore i should install qtparted and format my usb drive with it?
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> ...kpdf...disappeared...
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> well
[09:23] <CrazyKlompjes> thanks for the info guys-will take it from here :)
[09:23] <favro> ardchoille: yep
[09:23] <ardchoille> jb_: That's what I would do, qyparted has been a favorite of mine for a while.
[09:24] <jb_> ardchoille: you are right, it's good, i have used it a few times
[09:24] <favro> !find kpdf
[09:25] <ardchoille> kpdf may have been moved into a "group" and is now contained in a parent package
[09:25] <favro> shows up here with apt-cache search
[09:26] <ardchoille> !info kghostview
[09:26] <ardchoille> favro: kpdf?
[09:27] <faileas> i seem to remember okular handleing PDFs on KDE 4.1... for some reason
[09:27] <favro> kpdf - PDF viewer for KDE - from my terminal
[09:27] <ardchoille> ah, cool
[09:27] <favro> but I'm not on intrepid
[09:27] <ardchoille> so the bot doesn't have all of the info
[09:27] <jussi01> okular is the new pdf viewer
[09:28] <jussi01> !info okular
[09:28] <faileas> bleh
[09:28] <faileas> seems the wine / intrepid repos arn't working for me
[09:28] <jb_> i am having issues activating the proprietary format for ATI in k 8.10
[09:29] <aapzak> if I wish to make permanent changes to my xorg.conf, how should I do that? xorg.conf now looks like a very generic file
[09:30] <impulze> to xorg.conf :P
[09:30] <impulze> open -> save
[09:30] <favro> aapzak: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf   will let you make changes - make a backup tho
[09:30] <aapzak> ok, but now there is actually nothing inthere, all auto config stuff. Will for instance my mouse keep working if I add just a videocard refenernce inthere?
[09:30] <ardchoille> jussi01: If I have a good idea on how to improve kubuntu, whom do I submit the idea to?
[09:31] <ardchoille> aapzak: it should so long as you don't make changes to the mouse section
[09:32] <aapzak> its all default this, default that now, just add my vidcard stuff you say?
[09:32] <ardchoille> aapzak: I would recommend making a backup before doing any editing; sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:32] <jussi01> ardchoille: depends, brainstorm or report a bug
[09:32] <jussi01> !brainstorm
[09:32] <ardchoille> jussi01: Ah, thanks
[09:32] <jussi01> !bug | ardchoille
[09:32] <ardchoille> it's not a bug, more of an improvement
[09:33] <aapzak> ardchoille: yeah, backing up is a good thing in this matter :)
[09:33] <jussi01> ardchoille: brainstorm Id think then
[09:33] <stefano> divx
[09:34] <favro> xvid
[09:34] <ardchoille> I never realized until now that those two mirror each other
[09:35] <aapzak> anyone here got advise on getting the most out of intel X3100 vidcard and KDE4?
[09:36] <aapzak> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" is one thing I found
[09:37] <lup0> aapzak: did it help?
[09:37] <aapzak> I'm gonna try now, but am not sure how to test it properly
[09:37] <lup0> aapzak: does transparency and 3D-effects on videos work for you?
[09:37] <aapzak> lup0: haven't tried
[09:38] <aapzak> lup0: is that not working for you? which player?
[09:38] <i0i0><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:38] <lup0> aapzak: I have the Lenovo x300 with a X3100 Intel videochip and I'm using KDE4
[09:38] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ kubuntu 8.10 was installed yesterday, but it doesn't boot, i have no idea how to do it
[09:39] <aapzak> we're probably having the same problems then
[09:39] <lup0> aapzak: not working for me, I get the blue background for the video when desktop effects affect the video
[09:39] <i0i0> someone has problems with virtualbox and bridging? kubuntu 8.10 virtualbox 2.0.4
[09:39] <aapzak> I'll have to dl video first :)
[09:40] <frafra> hi all
[09:41] <frafra> I've just installed kubuntu 8.10. I would like that my /dev/sda3 will automounted at every boot. Is it possible?
[09:41] <aapzak> lup0: which player are you using?
[09:41] <lup0> aapzak: mplayer normally
[09:42] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ nobody can help?:S
[09:43] <ubuntu_> frafra: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/fstab
[09:44] <Larson> is it possible to get the 177 nvidia drivers in hardy? (I want to test that it actually performs properly before going to 8.10)
[09:44] <aapzak> lup0: transparent video is working
[09:44] <frafra> ubuntu_, this isn't in english
[09:44] <lup0> aapzak: with XAA ?
[09:44] <aapzak> without even
[09:44] <aapzak> I have not tweaked my xorg.conf yet
[09:45] <lup0> aapzak: I haven't tested this with 8.10 yet, so maybe there has been a fix
[09:45] <aapzak> aight
[09:46] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/  please help me
[09:46] <ubuntu_> frafra: oh, im sorry.. u have to add a line like this to /etc/fstab:
[09:47] <ubuntu_> frafra: /dev/sda3   /media/<dirtomount>   reiserfs   defaults   0   2
[09:48] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65075/ can somedody help me, please?
[09:48] <frafra> ubuntu_: thanks :) in "mount" I see how does it mount this ntfs partition... seems a bit different... Otherwise, could I say to kde to mount this device automatically?
[09:49] <ardchoille> jussi01: Done, thanks for the tip :)
[09:50] <Muzer> Does Kubuntu-KDE4 use 4.1 now, or is it still on 4.0?
[09:50] <ubuntu_> frafra: i think theres no solution in kde themself..
[09:51] <ardchoille> iirc, it's on 4.2.1
[09:51] <aapzak> 4.1.2
[09:51] <ardchoille> er, 4.1.2
[09:51] <Muzer> And does it still crash every time you click on a directory in Dolphin? :p
[09:51] <aapzak> Muzer: never seen that
[09:51] <Muzer> (you can probably see why I switched to openSUSE)
[09:51] <ardchoille> Muzer: I played with intrepid for about an hour and nothing crashed on me.
[09:51] <Muzer> good
[09:51] <ardchoille> And I was _trying_ to break it :)
[09:51] <Muzer> because that happened all the time in Hardy
[09:51] <Muzer> ;p
[09:51] <faileas> ;p
[09:52] <Muzer> If I rebooted the computer, it opened my previous session
[09:52] <Muzer> but then
[09:52] <ubuntu_> frafra, u can use this links for ntfs fstab information: http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtontfs.html
[09:52] <Muzer> if I opened a folder, it used to crash
[09:52] <Muzer> every time
[09:52] <Muzer> and if I click and drag a folder, it used to crash
[09:52] <OpenSorce> Keep in mind I usually use IceWM on Slack......I closed the little translucent "desktop" window on the desktop....how do I get it back?
[09:52] <ardchoille> Muzer: the dolphin on intrepid is very different than the dolphin in Hardy
[09:52] <Muzer> and recently plugged devices used to always freeze and stay on the screen...
[09:52] <Muzer> good
[09:52] <Muzer> :)
[09:52] <ubuntu__> hello
[09:52] <Muzer> I'm gonna try it then
[09:52] <faileas> what can i say... its a alpha
[09:52] <ardchoille> Some say the one in hardy wasn't actually dolphin at all
[09:52] <Muzer> I'll also be able to get openGL hardware support, something I couldn't do in openSUSE :)
[09:53] <aapzak> OpenSorce: I think you deleted a widget
[09:53] <Muzer> anyway, I'm gonna download it now
[09:53] <Muzer> bai
[09:53] <OpenSorce> openSUSE....*HISS*
[09:53] <aapzak> OpenSorce: so add the widget again
[09:53] <faileas> lol
[09:53] <OpenSorce> aapzak, gotcha
[09:53] <faileas> that was my second distro ;p
[09:53] <faileas> oddly its what got me into ubuntu ;p
[09:53] <OpenSorce> Don't use MicroSuse....it's evel
[09:53] <OpenSorce> *evil
[09:54] <faileas> OpenSorce: lol. Yast made me switch
[09:54] <Muzer> well, its KDE4 implementation was miles better than Hardy's
[09:54] <Muzer> I'll have to see how this one fares
[09:54] <OpenSorce> faileas, yeah, that would do it :-)
[09:54] <ardchoille> Muzer: I had my doubts when kde4.0 came out, but intrepid actually impressed me
[09:54] <Muzer> :)
[09:54] <faileas> Muzer: well, i'm was half considering switching to lxde or enlightenment when i first tried intrepid...
[09:54] <lup0> aapzak: yep, works for me now also
[09:55] <faileas> then i went and installed it on my spare system too ;p
[09:55] <Muzer> well, openSUSE impressed me in the way that it crashed in only half the situations that Hardy-KDE4 did :p
[09:55] <OpenSorce> so for the widget, just folder view right?
[09:55] <faileas> i haven't had any showstoppy crashes yet
[09:55] <faileas> i'm a little dissapointed. started with beta, then RC ;p
[09:56] <OpenSorce> Yeah, that was easy
[09:56] <aapzak> OpenSorce: you got it?
[09:56] <OpenSorce> yup
[09:56] <aapzak> kewl
[09:56] <favro> faileas: you need to try harder to get the showstoppy crashes :)
[09:57] <OpenSorce> aapzak, thanks :-)
[09:57] <aapzak> you're welcome ofcourse
[09:57] <faileas> favro: been using it normally. oddly the only (resolved) issue i have is with virtualbox ;p
[09:57] <favro> hehe
[09:58] <aapzak> I actually like gentoo or arch much better than ubuntu, but nowdays I want a machine thats just working, thats why I switchted to ubuntu
[09:58] <OpenSorce> This opacity is awesome......I'm browsing the web, watching Antitrust and watching this chat window all at once
[09:58] <Larson> no one who knows if it is possible to install the 177 version of the nvidia drivers on 8.04?
[09:59] <aapzak> I think the alt-tab thingy is way over the top
[09:59] <favro> Larson: I've heard that the kernel in ibex has issues with the older nvidia drivers
[09:59] <faileas> aapzak: which one? the vista style one or the coverflow style one?
[09:59] <OpenSorce> I even got WoW to run on this......usually with a WM this bloated the gameplay is crap.....this fairly good though
[09:59] <aapzak> default one? not sure, BIG windows
[09:59] <aapzak> coverflow I think
[10:00] <faileas> aapzak: they both have big windows ;p
[10:00] <favro> BIG windows are normally the wrong resolution
[10:00] <aapzak> :)
[10:00] <Larson> favro: yeah, but I want the newer driver on hardy.. to test if it actually performs.. the older nvidia drivers are horrible with kde4
[10:00] <Larson> so I don't want to upgrade before I know it will not drive me to insanity
[10:00] <aapzak> I like the compiz taskswitcher much better
[10:00] <faileas> i use the vista style one, which is kinda shiny ;p
[10:01] <aapzak> in the RC's I switched of all eyecandy
[10:01] <faileas> well thats one of the things i wanted to try
[10:01] <faileas> the x3100 i have had issues with compiz.
[10:02] <aapzak> until now my x3100 seems to perform reasonably
[10:03] <faileas> i never got it to do the things my 4 year old laptop could ><
[10:03] <faileas> with a crap intel chipset
[10:03] <aapzak> x3100 is intel?
[10:03] <amerigo> !firefox
[10:03] <aapzak> !x3100
[10:03] <faileas> yeah, but its a REALLY good intel one
[10:04] <amerigo> !netbeans
[10:04] <favro> !info netbeans
[10:05] <mvv> Hi, I'm testing 8.10, does anybody know how I fix the huge fonts in gtk apps?
[10:05] <aapzak> faileas: both taskswitchers are too blingy for me, but I think I like the Vistaone better
[10:05] <aapzak> it moves better
[10:05] <faileas> aapzak: yeah and you can see ahead