[09:33] <rmg51> Morning
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[14:07] <ChinnoDog> morning


[00:45] <ps1mon> hello
[07:01] <balsaq> good morning lubuntu
[17:49] <Newk> hi, got an older computer installed with lubuntu 12.04 and has network pci that is recognized in the system.. but it fails to start it? NetworkManager is running but i am missing something to connect to my network
[17:54] <Guest12997> How can I find out the temperature of my system? xsensors says 'No supported sensors found'
[17:54] <Guest12997> (I'm on a live system now btw)
[17:56] <holstein> Guest12997: i would try referring to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[17:56] <genii> Guest12997: Do you have package lm-sensors installed?
[17:57] <vn151502510> Guest12997: uhm, how about `cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp`
[17:57] <Guest12997> genii, yeah, lm-sensors is installed, and I also ran sensors-detect
[17:59] <Guest12997> vn151502510, no such file or directory
[17:59] <Newk> so strange that i installed lubuntu 12.04 via netboot.. and once it is running it fails to see the network, very odd
[18:00] <vn151502510> Guest12997: lxpanel has applet "temperature monitor", maybe
[18:01] <Guest12997> holstein, I have no service module-init-tools
[18:01] <holstein> Guest12997: you might not have a vendor that is supporting these tools
[18:03] <Guest12997> holstein, which tools?
[18:04] <holstein> Guest12997: the ones you are referencing and trying
[18:04] <holstein> Guest12997: the hardware may not support linux
[18:04] <Guest12997> holstein, the hardware came with RedHat pre-installed, so I'm sure it supports linux
[18:05] <holstein> Guest12997: might *have* supported some kernel.. you cant assume it should report information to any OOS
[18:05] <holstein> OS*
[18:06] <Guest12997> holstein, well, short of buying a new computer, what can  I do about it?
[18:08] <holstein> Guest12997: well, ideally, the vendor would help you with the support.. but, i think its likely something you can get working
[18:08] <holstein> what would i do? just use the bios to make certain the hardware is functioning.. and clean the machine and use it
[18:12] <Guest12997> holstein, well, I just replaced the paste between the CPU and the heatsing, so I want to make sure the temperature is not too high before I start using the pc for real. I'll just try with an older live system to see if the wiki instructions work
[18:12] <holstein> Guest12997: the bios should report what  seek
[18:12] <Guest12997> thanks for you help, i'm shutting down now before I melt something ;)
[18:12] <holstein> what you seek*
[18:12] <Guest12997> will try the bios, thanks!
[18:18] <Newk> seemed like a common issue.. this fixed it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Change_Network_Manager_settings
[20:04] <sventon> hi all. I running OSX/virutualbox/lubuntu but the resolution is wrong so i try to install guest aditions like suggested here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/311161/how-to-install-guest-additions-in-lubuntu-13-04. The problem is I don't have a "Install Guest Additions" menu item in the "Device" tab
[20:06] <sventon> the only simmular menu item I have is named "Insert Guest Adition CD image". Really strange becouse all tutorials I ben able to find asume you have a "Install Guest Additions" menu
[20:06] <sventon> ?
[22:16] <tadcrazio> hey hoping someone can help me out here, I'm looking to change the size of icons in lubuntu and not change the whole resolution
[22:36] <ianorlin> icons where tadcrazio
[22:59] <tadcrazio> ianorlin, icons on the desktop
[22:59] <tadcrazio> basically, what i want is everything slightly larger for my grandfather who will be using the computer
[23:18] <juangod1> Hello there! i require asisstance with Lubuntu 12.10, no wireless networks are showing up when they should. I have a broadcom chip


[01:58] <Xgates> I'm having this bug problem, anyone seen this happening before?
[01:58] <Xgates> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2019509
[01:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 2019509 in Ubuntu "Mouse Cursor Gets Stuck In Different Positions" [Undecided, New]
[01:59] <Xgates> It will just randomly swith sometimes, as if I'm moving or resizing....
[01:59] <Xgates> swith/switch...
[02:11] <Xgates> Does this setting have anything to do with the cursor acting up?
[02:11] <Xgates> gsettings set org.gnome.settings.daemon-plugins.cursor active


[00:03] <Pwen> hi all. I have totally broken my mythtv install; selected 0.24 in the control centre, some components updated and some not, switched it back to 0.23+fixes, wondering how to uninstall and reinstall the whole thing?
[00:11] <qwebirc65544> Having an issue with the exporting (via Optical Disks -> Archive Files).  I have a recording and it has a cut list and has also been transcoded.  If I view the recording within Myth the cutlist is observed (no commercials).  However the exported recording still has the commercials.  Any ideas?
[08:57] <GeminiDomino> On a fresh install of MythBuntu 10.4, whenever I try to "Watch A DVD", I get thrown into an unresponsive "LCD Device display" screen that drops back to the menu a few seconds later. Anyone have a line on this?
[09:24] <GeminiDomino> Never mind. Must have been a bug because enabling daily builds and updating took care of it
[09:45] <hans__> Good Morning! ^^
[09:48] <hans__> One question... i want to create a computer for home-recording from Satellite "Astra". An old computer is now equipped with an skystar2 receiver and i want to install Mythbuntu on that machine.
[09:49] <hans__> The computer starts up and shows a black screen and nothing more happens. It starts up about 3 minutes and it stays in a black screen.
[09:49] <hans__> Are there any boot options for an other resolution or anything like that?
[17:28] <draik> Hello everyone
 Hello draik!
[17:29] <draik> Hello
[17:29] <draik> Hello some
[17:29] <draik> Hello everyone
[17:29] <draik> Well, enough of that
[17:30] <draik> I'm trying to see the screenshots of Mythbuntu from the site, but they never load
[17:31] <draik> Also, I built my own home server with (currently) 2 drives. One drive has the OS (currenly Kubuntu) and the 2nd drive has all of my DVD iso images.   I even have Adblock disabled for the site.
[17:44] <tgm4883> mrand, hmm, not loading for me either
[17:44] <tgm4883> odd
[17:45] <tgm4883> looks like the file doesn't exist
[17:45] <tgm4883> which would explain why it doesn't load
[17:45] <tgm4883> the preview doesn't exist
[17:45] <draik> Click on the heading under the image, that will load
[17:46] <tgm4883> yea
[17:47] <draik> Regarding the ISO, how will that work?
[17:47] <draik> Do I just choose the ISO on the server itself and it will auto-load it or do I have to manually mount it?
[17:48] <tgm4883> draik, is the mythtv frontend the same machine?
[17:48] <draik> For now, yes
[17:49] <draik> I'm going to build a frontend from a shuttle or something small that I can toss upstairs in my room.
[17:50] <draik> Since it is going to be wireless (the box in my room), I was thinking that I'll sshfs, but if mythbuntu can mount it on the backend and stream it wirelessly for me, then I'm all set
[17:51] <tgm4883> draik, for ISO's you will need to mount the dir locally
[17:51] <tgm4883> then the frontend would mount the ISO for you
[17:51] <tgm4883> if you didn't use ISO's, it would all happen automatically for you
[17:52] <draik> Yeah, they are all ISO
[17:52] <tgm4883> then you will have to mount the dir locally and disable mythvideo storage groups
[17:53] <draik> Hmmm
[17:53] <draik> Maybe mythbuntu isn't what I should be using if I can just leave it now as the server that it is.
[17:56] <tgm4883> yea i'd leave the server alone
[17:57] <tgm4883> if you have a tv card in it, you could install the backend on it
[17:58] <draik> No, I don't have a tuner card at all
[17:58] <draik> I was debating if I should add one or not
[17:58] <draik> But I don't have a TV in my study downstairs, so I decided it would be a waste.
[18:00] <tgm4883> well that you could stream to other mythtv frontends automatically
[18:01] <draik> Having a tuner card is required for that?
[18:01] <tgm4883> to stream TV
[18:01] <tgm4883> not ISO's
[18:02] <tgm4883> i mean, you would have to record somehow right?
[18:02] <draik> My server only has ISO for all of the DVDs that I own
[18:03] <tgm4883> right, and then we were discussing TV
[18:04] <draik> tuner card with no TV/cable access.
[18:04] <tgm4883> ah no cable access
[18:04] <tgm4883> that is much different than no TV
[18:04] <draik> Right. Sorry.
[18:05] <draik> Well, I could have access to it, but it would be a hassle to have a new set of wires running through the house and so forth. Better to leave it as-is right now.
[18:09] <qwebirc83560> Hello I have a problem with my tv card, I can use composite but I cannot scan for channels. what must I do ?
[18:10] <tgm4883> qwebirc83560, did you set up a channel changing script and IR blasting?
[18:10] <qwebirc83560> yes
[18:10] <tgm4883> what version of MythTV?
[18:10] <qwebirc83560> 10.04
[18:12] <tgm4883> backend log error messages?
[18:12] <qwebirc83560> Wait I'm now on my windows pc but In about 2min I'm on mythbuntu
[18:15] <qwebirc83259> Where can I find the log ?
[18:16] <tgm4883> !logs | qwebirc83259
[18:16] <Zinn> qwebirc83259: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[18:20] <qwebirc83259> But when I wanna add a channel it's say: Failed to find any new channel
[18:21] <tgm4883> qwebirc83259, thats in the logs?
[18:22] <qwebirc83259> (S29): Failed to find Channel 2010-05-24 19:20:24.798 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(S29): Error, failed to find channel.
[18:22] <qwebirc83259> That is the log
[20:17] <mcl0vin> howdy folks


[01:46] <guiverc_t> blogosphere. done
[10:30] <guiverc_t> tsimonq2, fyi:  just noticed i've been approved for wiki-edit;  you'll have to walk me thru helping you to add things there (uwn, fridge etc)
[11:51] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Ah yes
[11:51] <tsimonq2> *SIGH* I really need to write this down somewhere...
[11:51] <tsimonq2> pleia2, jose: Would be great if one of you could give me a hand and send out the email to the editors.
[11:52] <tsimonq2> If not, then well I'll send it out when I get home, but I guess it'll be too late when that happens...
[16:01] <pleia2> tsimonq2: done
[16:12] <tsimonq2> pleia2: *hugs* Thank you
[16:50] <pleia2> sure thing
[17:07] <pleia2> tsimonq2: um, I didn't even check... the 502 wiki page hasn't been populated at all
[17:07] <pleia2> there is nothing to review
[18:29]  * jose works on it
[18:30] <jose> uh, there's work to be done on the summaries side
[18:30] <jose> I'll work on it as well
[18:45] <jose> ahoneybun: hey, mind helping us with a quick summary of the Kubuntu podcast #20, please?
[18:45] <jose> once that one's done I'll move it to the wiki
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Sorry guys
[19:03] <tsimonq2> (and gals ;))
[19:03] <tsimonq2> jose, pleia2: Thanks
[23:47] <tsimonq2> When I get home in 1.5 hours, I'll work on the newsletter and publish


[09:24] <tomwardill> got a confusion. +login does a request to the testopenid server, which is only on SSL. We have a self signed cert, how does that actually succeed? Asking because my 39A build is throwing SSL validation errors and I'm confused as to how it ever works in a development env.
[09:25] <cjwatson> tomwardill: See lib/lp/services/webapp/openid.py, which passes an extra certificate file to urlopen if the test OpenID provider is in use.  I suspect you'll need to adjust the certificate path there.
[09:25] <tomwardill> oh, interesting
[09:25] <tomwardill> ta :)
[09:26] <cjwatson> (I might move that to a different place at some point for other reasons; the set_default_openid_fetcher function, anyway)
[09:29] <tomwardill> it lives!
[09:31] <cjwatson> \o/
[09:32] <tomwardill> and just in time for flight boarding, look at that
[09:32]  * tomwardill -> FRA -> MAN -> SHF
[10:06] <cjwatson> gute Reise


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[00:25] <aeoril> darkxst it appears to make this work I have to switch the meaning of good and bad:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15407075/how-could-i-use-git-bisect-to-find-the-first-good-commit
[00:25] <sarnold> ha
[00:26] <aeoril> yah, I know ...
[00:26] <aeoril> (found another article that confirmed this article)
[00:27] <aeoril> http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/Why-can-t-I-use-git-bisect-to-find-the-first-good-commit-td6214209.html
[00:27] <darkxst> aeoril, sure
[00:27] <darkxst> its makes little difference (apart form possibly confusing you)
[00:27] <aeoril> darkxst now I have to test how not stupid I can be and see if I can do it without screwing myself up ... :P
[00:28] <aeoril> but, right now I have to cook for my sick wife ...
[01:16] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> good night
[01:59] <derpderp> i have downloaded the latest kernel repo from ubuntu's git archive, but how can I find the code that runs the interface used when changing resolution and monitor placement?
[02:02] <sarnold> derpderp: poke around in drivers/video/ or drivers/gpu/, both those seem likely candidates
[02:03] <derpderp> thank you!
[02:05] <sarnold> derpderp: you might have some success to read through the xrandr source code; it may contain magic that would help you discover what the kernel routines are.
[02:05] <derpderp> okay. i am having major problems dragging the rectangles in the interface when positioning monitors
[02:06] <derpderp> itss ridiculous so I thought I could look into it
[02:06] <derpderp> xrandr sounds more likw what I wnat/
[02:07] <sarnold> derpderp: is the problem with the dragging-rectangles bit, or what happens to the monitors after you've dragged the rectangles?
[02:07] <sarnold> derpderp: it might make more sense to look at the control panel source then.. or whatever tool it is that provides the little rectangles ;)
[02:07] <derpderp> dragging rectangles bit
[02:07] <derpderp> are there places to go to find where the control panel source is?
[02:08] <derpderp> I hate to ask so many Qs, I'm usually able to figure things out ubut im new to opens \\ source dev
[02:09] <sarnold> derpderp: try looking in the unity-control-center package; apt-get source unity-control-center  ought to download it for you
[02:09] <derpderp> thanks!
[04:49] <aeoril> darkxst_ you there?
[04:50] <Noskcaj> aeoril, What's the question? He'll see it eventually
[04:50] <aeoril> Noskcaj hey, I have been bisecting
[04:50] <aeoril> hey, darkxst
[04:51] <darkxst> aeoril, as Noskcaj said, just ask the question ;)
[04:52] <aeoril> darkxst sarnold I did the bisection.  Wish I had verified v7-4 did not work before starting - it worked fine from the vim git repo, so entire bisection worked fine to versions predating trusty version, or what should be in trusty
[04:53] <sarnold> hey aeoril :) bummer :/
[04:53] <aeoril> yah, sucks
[04:53] <aeoril> darkxst sarnold so could something specific to the ubuntu packages be the problem
[04:53] <aeoril> ?
[04:54] <darkxst> aeoril, build the trusty version and see
[04:54] <darkxst> aeoril, it could well be in a different package though
[04:55] <aeoril> darkxst does that make sense?  Building the vivid version worked fine on trusty
[04:56] <sarnold> it could be debian or ubuntu specific packaging.. check the patches in debian/patches/ and see if any of them look like they might be related
[04:57] <aeoril> sarnold ok - sounds good
[04:57] <darkxst> aeoril, gtg be back later
[04:57] <aeoril> darkxst ok, thanks
[04:57] <sarnold> (check both the vivid and the trusty packages, you never know.. :)
[05:02] <aeoril> sarnold there is not debian/patches in either version ...
[05:03] <aeoril> sarnold http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/vim/vivid/files/head:/debian/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/vim/trusty/files/head:/debian/
[05:03] <sarnold> aeoril: oh? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10103567/
[05:04] <sarnold> aeoril: yeah, go ahead and ignore that ~ubuntu-branches thing entirely :)
[05:04] <aeoril> sarnold where the heck are you clicking to find this stuff?
[05:04] <sarnold> aeoril: I cheated, I've got some handy tools that make it easy to download all currently supported versions of a package.
[05:05] <sarnold> aeoril: so I just typed "umt download -r vivid,trusty vim" and a few seconds later had the unpacked sources sitting on my machine :)
[05:05] <aeoril> sarnold can I get to it from the launchpad website?
[05:05] <sarnold> aeoril: yeah, one second..
[05:06] <aeoril> sarnold am I just stupid? :(
[05:06] <sarnold> aeoril: nope :) I've got these handy tools because it's not an easy task, otherwise, hehe
[05:07] <aeoril> sarnold are those tools standard, or did you write them yourself?
[05:09] <sarnold> aeoril: they're not standard, they just live in a bazaar tree; it's a royal pain to set them up though...
[05:09] <aeoril> better one royal pain than many
[05:09] <sarnold> aeoril: oh! I just remembered, there's a much better way than getting them through launchpad
[05:10] <aeoril> source packages?
[05:10] <sarnold> aeoril: install the ubuntu-dev-tools package; then you can use 'pull-lp-source vim trusty' and 'pull-lp-source vim vivid'
[05:11] <aeoril> sarnold that is exactly what I did with vivid ... :)
[05:11] <sarnold> hahaha
[05:11] <sarnold> that's the downside to having keen tools that simplify some tasks.. they make it easy to overlook fundementals.
[05:12] <aeoril> darkxst had me do that for vivid ...
[05:12] <aeoril> but I forgot about it til you just mentioned it ...
[05:20] <aeoril> sarnold I am making the trusty vim and going to try it out
[05:22] <sarnold> woo :)
[05:23] <aeoril> sarnold it worked fine
[05:24] <aeoril> sarnold the build environment for trusty vs. what I have must have been the difference
[05:24] <sarnold> aeoril: but the /usr/bin/vim fails?
[05:24] <aeoril> sarnold yes
[05:24] <aeoril> sarnold /usr/bin/vi maybe that is the difference?
[05:24] <sarnold> aeoril: time to compare ./vim --version with /usr/bin/vim --version and try to find out what's involved..
[05:24] <aeoril> (vi vs. vim)
[05:25] <aeoril> what about vi vs. vim?
[05:25] <sarnold> aeoril: could be
[05:25] <aeoril> not sure why it is vi in trusty instead of vim ...
[05:25] <sarnold> aeoril: when you call it with 'vim' it changes a lot of the 'vi-compatible' options
[05:26] <aeoril> typing just "vim" just does not work
[05:26] <sarnold> ... also, check /etc/alternatives/vi*  -- turns out my vim is actually calling vim.gtk. I never knew :)
[05:32] <aeoril> sarnold mine is vim.tiny ...
[05:34] <aeoril> sarnold the compiled one is full gui, the trusty one is small without gui, according to --version
[05:34] <aeoril> s/full gui/normal gui/
[05:35] <aeoril> sarnold vivid is also vim.tiny
[05:35] <sarnold> aeoril: hah, so the tiny version in trusty is broken, the tiny version in vivid is fine?
[05:35] <aeoril> sarnold apparently
[05:36] <aeoril> sarnold gcc command line is very different between versions also according to --version.  I am guessing pass option to ./configure to make vim.tiny?
[05:38] <sarnold> aeoril: yeah, check the debian/rules file to see if it makes it easy to tell what..
[05:40] <aeoril> sarnold --version shows that both vi.tiny in trusty (/usr/bin/vi links to it) and what I compiled from trusty vim source are based on 7.4 version dated 2013 aug 10 with patches 1-52,
[05:44] <aeoril> sarnold "vim-tiny" - that is the name of the VARIANT - not sure what to put on the ./configure command line though
[05:47] <sarnold> aeoril: note these bits:
[05:47] <sarnold> CFLAGS_vim-tiny:=$(CFLAGS) -DTINY_VIMRC
[05:47] <sarnold> CFGFLAGS_vim-tiny:=$(CFGFLAGS) $(TINYFLAGS)
[05:48] <sarnold> aeoril: read up the debian/rules from there to figure out what should go in the CFGFLAGS and CFLAGS, then look down to the line that has a ./configure in it -- and try to run much the same configure command line :)
[05:49] <aeoril> I asked on #vim and they said "./configure --with-features=tiny" - would that work?
[05:50] <sarnold> sounds like good advice :)
[05:53] <aeoril> sarnold I am confused about what you said about the debian/rules thing though - I looked around but could not make sense of it ...
[05:54] <sarnold> aeoril: it's based on make and the makefile format; if you're not accustomed to working with them, they can be a bit much
[05:54] <aeoril> sarnold I used to be pretty good with make, but it has been a long time ...
[05:55] <sarnold> hehe, for me, it takes about a month before I feel like I'm out of touch :)
[05:55] <aeoril> sarnold try 10 years or so ...
[05:55] <aeoril> on Unix ...
[05:55] <sarnold> oh man, it wasn't even gnu make?
[05:56] <aeoril> no, Sun Solaris and a real-time System V r4.3 variant ...
[05:56] <aeoril> well, I mean, maybe it was gnu - don't really know.  Just know it was a long time ago
[05:57] <aeoril> everything looks pretty familiar, but I have forgotten what stuff does really
[05:57] <sarnold> solaris didn't feel 'right' until I'd replaced most of the tools with gnu versions.. and the old SCO unix thing I used that might have been 4.3 was all around terrible :)
[05:58] <aeoril> sarnold hwo old are you?
[05:59] <sarnold> aeoril: 36?
[06:00] <aeoril> sarnold just wondering because of your working on older systems
[06:01] <sarnold> aeoril: it was an amazing job to find while in high school, hehe
[06:04] <aeoril> sarnold I found the series of lines that set up the TINYFLAGS - it starts out with "TINYFLAGS:=--with-features=small" then adds on various enable/disable flags as well.  Shouldn't I use debian/rules to configure the build, not what was recommended in #vim?
[06:05] <aeoril> sarnold I remember there was a procedure for using the debian build rules to configure the build when I did some ubuntu builds back in the day
[06:06] <sarnold> aeoril: well, at least with the simple rules from #vim, you've got something _small_ to work with; the full set of debian/ubuntu configure options might be harder to work with
[06:06] <aeoril> sarnold I can look that up though on the ubuntu wiki I guess
[06:07] <sarnold> aeoril: time for dinner :) have a good night, happy hunting :)
[06:07] <aeoril> sarnold yah, I am gone too now
[06:08] <aeoril> sarnold thanks :)
[06:08] <sarnold> nice, have a good weekend then
[06:08] <aeoril> ok, thanks
[11:37] <slangasek> xnox: could you really not find a better way to handle keyboard name translations for console-setup than by build-depending on all of the language packs?


[02:42] <callmepk> good morning
[02:48] <pieq> Morning callmepk !
[02:57] <callmepk> hi pieq
[05:54] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppersg
[06:01] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[06:02] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and jibel
[06:02] <duflu> Afternoon callmepk and pieq
[06:02] <callmepk> morning oSoMoN jibel duflu
[06:05] <ricotz> good morning
[06:06] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey, I am going to push TB 68.12.0 to the mozillateam ppa
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:11] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:17] <oSoMoN> hey jibel, duflu, callmepk, ricotz, didrocks
[06:17] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, thanks
[06:42] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey duflu
[07:12] <luna_> Firefox 80 is released now
[07:23] <oSoMoN> not according to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/
[07:23] <oSoMoN> (I'm working on the update fwiw)
[07:23] <luna_> https://www.ghacks.net/2020/08/25/here-is-what-is-new-and-changed-in-firefox-80-0/
[07:27] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:27] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:27] <luna_> morning marcustomlinson
[07:28] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN and luna_
[07:31] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:34] <didrocks999> hey marcustomlinson & seb128
[07:36] <marcustomlinson> hi seb128 and didrocks999
[07:40] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson and seb128
[07:40] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:44] <seb128> hey didrocks, marcustomlinson , duflu
[07:44] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:44] <luna_> oSoMoN: installed the snp for now :)
[07:44] <luna_> snap*
[07:45] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu
[09:39] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ff3a585 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/0024-display-Allow-fractional-scaling-to-be-enabled.patch * fix the missing control with the new libhandy (lp: #1892833) * https://deb.li/3yypV
[12:07] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:32] <seb128> hey ahasenack
[12:32] <ahasenack> heya, wrong channel, but good morning nevertheless :)
[12:36] <seb128> :-)
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-25
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 25 13:30:18 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, l-aney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <hellsworth> o/
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <jibel> \O
[13:31] <seb128> I hope everyone is doing fine! let's get started
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:31] <seb128> reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:31] <didrocks1> o/
[13:32] <seb128> no desktop section
[13:32] <seb128> didrocks1, alternating the numebers? ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <kenvandine> 1+999=1000 :)
[13:32] <seb128> no unassigned one
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <luna_> missing the meeting today attending Debconf
[13:33] <seb128> the desktop ones are assigned, we just need to clean out tags
[13:33] <seb128> luna_, enjoy debconf!
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> those are either assigned or incomplete or fix commited
[13:34] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:34] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> bug #1892358
[13:35] <seb128> that's a problem in systemd, it just got assigned to other components to reflect status on the by team report it looks like
[13:35] <seb128> unsure what to do in those cases...
[13:35] <seb128> cpaelzer, ^ technically that's invalid of e.g glib or iputils no?
[13:36] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:36] <didrocks1> seb128: weechat is doing it for me (and keep dropping/lagging :/)
[13:36] <seb128> those are assigned and just need cleanups
[13:37] <seb128> didrocks1, no worry! good luck, hopefully you get a landline internet again soon enough
[13:37] <marcustomlinson1> didrocks1: wear your 1 with pride
[13:37] <seb128> k, so I think that's it for bugs
[13:37] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-package
[13:37] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:37] <oSoMoN> waiting eagerly for didrocksNaN :)
[13:37] <didrocks1> heh
[13:38] <seb128> so, I think there is nothing we need to focus on atm there, the report is a moving target today due to the libffi transition that got started yesterday
[13:38] <seb128> some flakyness and retries needed
[13:39] <seb128> sounds like n-m vs dnsmasq might be a real problem that needs investigation is someone feels like poking at that one
[13:40] <seb128> k, that's it for that proposed migration for this week I think
[13:40] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:40] <seb128> anything else?
[13:41] <seb128> seems not (or I'm disconnected and just keep talking to myself there :p)
[13:42] <Trevinho> haha, no alll good here :)
[13:42] <didrocks1> seb128: that’s my world! :)
[13:42] <seb128> ok, let's wrap then, short and efficient, thanks everyone!
[13:42] <kenvandine> :)
[13:42] <didrocks1> thanks!
[13:42] <kenvandine> woot
[13:42] <seb128> (and reminder that ff is this week)
[13:42] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 13:42:26 2020 UTC.
[13:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-25-13.30.moin.txt
[13:42] <seb128> I feel like we didn't really start on any feature this cycle
[13:42]  * seb128 wonders where the cycle went
[13:42] <kenvandine> indeed
[13:43] <Trevinho> yeah, I agree... but well post-LTS can be like that
[13:43] <marcustomlinson1> thanks seb128
[13:43] <oSoMoN> thanks all
[13:45] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: would you please run these tests for me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R7tdskR5dp/
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> sure
[13:45] <hellsworth> many thanks :)
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> done
[13:45] <hellsworth> apreciate it!
[13:51] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: you should have been Canadian ;)
[13:51] <seb128> oSoMoN, I think you said that jsunit and enigmail should we removed from groovy? if so could you open a bug about it (it's recommended that removal has a papertrail report)
[13:52] <oSoMoN> seb128, bug #1890787
[13:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, s/jsunit and// :p
[13:53] <oSoMoN> enigmail won't be removed, the package has been updated to the latest upstream version that provides a wizard to import existing enigmail config into tb
[13:53] <seb128> sorry, I checked only enigmail
[13:53] <seb128> ah ok
[13:53] <seb128> my fault for not checking enough/relying on outdated info, thanks!
[13:53] <oSoMoN> interesting read: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:Migration-From-Enigmail
[13:54] <oSoMoN> seb128, can you do the removal?
[13:54] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm doing it now
[13:54] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[13:57] <seb128> np (and done)
[14:01] <kenvandine> seb128: BTW, I pushed an update icon to the thunderbird snap the other day and i have a WIP branch (not pushed yet) that updates it to use the snapcraft extension as well as enable portal use for opening attachments
[14:01] <kenvandine> not quite working yet
[14:02]  * kenvandine forgot to add that to the team updates :)
[14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, ah ok
[14:03] <kenvandine> i'm updating it to use the same TMPDIR solution that i did for firefox
[14:03] <kenvandine> but it's not honoring GTK_USE_PORTAL and not sure why yet
[14:04] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: ha.. sorry?
[14:04] <marcustomlinson> :)
[14:20] <hellsworth> i have a libreoffice build going on armhf that has been running for about 20 hours
[14:21] <hellsworth> on my pi
[14:21] <hellsworth> i'm so proud of the little guy chugging along all night
[14:23] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags 66aba18 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%3.37.90-1ubuntu2 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:3.37.90-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/rS2l
[14:24] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 13d2f8a Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/3f5GI
[14:51] <KGB-0> glib tags 98a56c1 Simon McVittie upstream/2.65.2 * Upstream version 2.65.2 * https://deb.li/zkPV
[14:52] <KGB-0> glib upstream/latest 0518906 Simon McVittie * pushed 48 commits * https://deb.li/3oKfi
[14:53] <KGB-0> glib pristine-tar 57ee37e Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.65.2.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.65.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.65.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/i4Lsz
[20:15] <ricotz> hellswor1, hey, could you push your git tag for lo 7.0.1~rc1, if you made one?
[22:19] <KGB-1> mozjs pristine-tar 1570a73 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) mozjs78_78.1.0.orig.tar.xz.delta mozjs78_78.1.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mozjs78_78.1.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/RtID
[22:19] <KGB-1> mozjs pristine-tar 88624cf Marco Trevisan (Treviño) mozjs78_78.2.0.orig.tar.xz.delta mozjs78_78.2.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mozjs78_78.2.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3zeiz
[22:19] <KGB-1> mozjs tags beb8743 Marco Trevisan upstream/78.2.0 * Upstream version 78.2.0 * https://deb.li/33SAR


[03:23] <khoover> evening all
[03:58]  * khoover is away: I'm busy
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:33] <BluesKaj> bbl...need to takre a nap
[22:16] <bregma> anyone out there on the wet coast feel the little tremor?


[09:26] <tsdgeos> mardy: do you know of any change in the accounts side lately that may be causing http://paste.ubuntu.com/21739582/ ?
[09:26] <tsdgeos> related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1607799
[09:30] <mardy> tsdgeos: no, not in 2016
[09:31] <mardy> tsdgeos: but IIRC we landed some changes in unity-scope-shell, let me check if they could be relevant
[09:31] <tsdgeos> mardy: rvr bisected the images in which is happening and it seems http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/386.commitlog is the landing that broke it, couldn't find anything really ugly tbh, i'm trying to reproduce the bisecting to confirm
[09:34] <mardy> tsdgeos: I wonder, that might be libsignon-glib; can you try to revert it to an older version?
[09:35] <mardy> tsdgeos: maybe just trying using libsignon-glib from vivid/main, not from the overlay ppa; it should still be ABI compatible, IIRC
[09:36] <tsdgeos> yep , will do as part of the bisect
[10:18] <tsdgeos> mardy: yeah seems to be  libsignon-glib
[10:19] <mardy> tsdgeos: ok, I'll try to understand what's wrong
[10:21] <tsdgeos> commented findings at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsignon-glib/+bug/1607799
[11:32] <mardy> marcustomlinson: about the libsignon-glib bug, I suspect it might be a threading affinity issue with the GMainContext
[11:32] <mardy> marcustomlinson: in the new versions, I've added a few g_idle_add() calls
[11:33] <mardy> marcustomlinson: the description of https://developer.gnome.org/glib/unstable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-main-context-push-thread-default seems to confirm that
[12:30] <mardy> marcustomlinson, tsdgeos: this fixes the unity-api-scopes test, do you mind reviewing it, especially if you have a gitlab account? https://gitlab.com/accounts-sso/libsignon-glib/merge_requests/9
[12:31] <tsdgeos> mardy: man glib seems *easy*
[12:31] <tsdgeos> ^_^
[12:31]  * tsdgeos hides
[12:32] <mardy> tsdgeos: :-D
[12:32] <tsdgeos> mardy: i can't really review it, i can test it fixes the problem if that's enough
[12:32] <marcustomlinson> mardy: same here.
[12:32] <mardy> tsdgeos: cool, I'll get a silo
[12:34] <marcustomlinson> mardy: awesome, could you add this to that silo so we can confirm the tests are happy: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/unity-scopes-api/oa-test-fix/+merge/301047
[12:34] <marcustomlinson> mardy: thanks for looking into this!
[12:35] <mardy> marcustomlinson: yw! :-) Yes, I'll add it to that silo
[12:42] <mardy> tsdgeos, marcustomlinson: building now: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1739
[13:18] <marcustomlinson> mardy: so the build looks to have failed the same way, but looks like the wrong version of libsignon is being used: "Preparing to unpack .../libsignon-glib-dev_1.14+15.04.20160718-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ..."
[13:19] <mardy> marcustomlinson: yes, and there's something wrong with the libsignon-glib tests, they fail quite often
[13:19] <marcustomlinson> mardy: can you up the version number of libsignon so we can use (>= 1.15) in our debian control
[13:21] <mardy> marcustomlinson: done, 1.14+16.10.20160718-0ubuntu2
[13:22] <mardy> marcustomlinson: I'll start a rebuild of libsignon-glib, please start rebuilding u-s-a once ready
[22:18] <dandrader> tedg,
[22:18] <dandrader> tedg, around?
[22:19] <dandrader> tedg, ual::Registry::runningApps() is not returning anything. any idea why?
[22:20] <tedg> dandrader: I'm unfortunately heading out, and my wife is out of town so I can't make an excuse not to pick up the kids :-)
[22:20] <tedg> dandrader: If you drop me an e-mail I can look, but check ubuntu-app-list, that is a cmdline of the same thing.
[22:20] <dandrader> tedg, ok


[14:54] <mup> Bug #1541878 opened: Systems fail to commission with proper IPMI credentials <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541878>
[15:06] <mup> Bug #1541878 changed: Systems fail to commission with proper IPMI credentials <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541878>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1541878 opened: Systems fail to commission with proper IPMI credentials <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541878>


[03:39] <snap-l> Apparently Halestorm is playing in Royal Oak ronight
[03:41] <snap-l> Just watched a video of theirs. First thing I thought was "female-fronted Nickelback"
[03:41] <snap-l> Can guarantee they'll get the nod at the grammys this year.
[12:05] <tony-smlr> Sunday Morning Linux Review is Live http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB0VMOf9Kw53CMh9bl4X5nA?v=i2ofWJBHb2Q
[13:56] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Netflix and Disney partnered after 2016
[14:03] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/12/disney-anoints-netflix-as-its-exclusive-distributor-starting-in-2016/
[16:01] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, posted that a few days ago. Very happy
[16:29] <brousch> We were looking for new tree topper this morning. I want a weeping angel
[16:30] <brousch> I want to hook it up with a camera and simplecv. When you're not looking at it, it turns to face you
[16:45] <_stink_> haha
[16:50] <_stink_> holy crap, someone made opencv easier??
[16:50] <_stink_> this made my day
[16:51] <brousch> You need to get out to meetings more :P
[16:52] <brousch> He is from Ann Arbor, rick_h_'s cousin in law or something
[17:07] <_stink_> srsly
[20:56] <snap-l> Yeah, Nate is pretty awesome.
[22:44] <snap-l> http://edmundwelles.bandcamp.com/track/hallowed-be-thy-name
[22:44] <snap-l> jcastro_: ^^
[23:36] <snap-l> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/
[23:36] <snap-l> There's just something wrong about that
[23:38] <brousch> I guess when you're locked in you have to make due


[08:12] <warly> Hello, what is the equivalent of doing sh -x /etc/init.d/<script> with upstart?
[14:46] <ion> warly: Add to the beginning of the script section of interest:
[14:46] <ion> exec >/path/to/log 2>&1
[14:46] <ion> set -x
[14:47] <warly> ion: thanks
[14:48] <ion> ellyjones: The environment variables listed in stopped(7) should be available in the post-stop script.
[14:48] <ion> ellyjones: RESULT is probably what you’re after.
[14:48] <ellyjones> ion: thanks :)
[14:49] <Stevee> hello, is anything known about the development process or a possible release date of the next upstart version ?
[14:50] <ion> It’s Being Developed™ and the release date is When It’s Done™. :-P
[14:51] <Stevee> wow, that are really great news ....
[14:52] <ion> ellyjones: Scratch that, they in fact aren’t. Let’s see...
[14:53] <Stevee> upstart is a great tool a great project, but i hate this kind of closed development process ...
[14:53] <ellyjones> (I ended up wrapping the job in a script instead)
[14:56] <ion> ellyjones: What will definitely work is another job that has ‘task’, ‘start on stopped foo’, ‘script … (do something with "$RESULT") … end script’. Perhaps Keybuk knows how to do that without an auxiliary job.
[14:58] <ellyjones> I phrased it as: if ! $CMD; then $CLEANUP; fi and just made it a script
[14:59] <ion> stevee: Many of us agree. Keybuk is the one to talk about that.
[15:27] <Stevee> never mind, thanks ion