[04:47] (Tm_T/#ubuntu-ops) jdong is flurrywurry
[04:47] (Tm_T/#ubuntu-ops) Jucato: you dont remember it anymore
[04:47] (jdong/#ubuntu-ops) lol
[04:47] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-ops) !no pidgin is <reply> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[04:47] (ubotu/#ubuntu-ops) I'll remember that gnomefreak
[04:47] (nalioth/#ubuntu-ops) Pici: so how long did you want your "i disturbed 23 people" kline?    I always mix those two letters up I must be dyslexic
[06:38] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:42] <rob> gah it looks like nx doesn't support 64bit :(
[07:33] <Seveas> rob, the new 3.0 version does
[07:33] <Seveas> but that's not packaged yet
[07:34] <rob> ah ok so I am right to give up on it then :(
[07:34] <Seveas> yes
[07:34] <rob> dang.
[07:38] <Myrtti> bot attack?
[07:38] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:38] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:38] <ubotu> rabies called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:40] <Myrtti> rob1: you taking care of that?
[07:40] <rob> bout to
[07:40] <Myrtti> jolly good
[08:23] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:23] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> rob: wayg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is spamming in multiple channels (#ubuntu-offtopic and #wordpress, for instance)
[08:31] <rob> not anymore :)
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> ty
[09:05] <jussi01> Good morning all. I think !o4o needs a slight modification so it can be called in #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntuforums also. Maybe #ubuntu-offtopic can be replaced with $chan ?
[09:06] <jussi01> !o4o
[09:06] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic. It is asked that controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[09:08] <Pumpernickel> Also, s/It is asked that c/C/, possibly.
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> Pumpernickel: not sure I get yours
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> it's not a proper noun or anything like that...
[09:09] <Pumpernickel> It would be the first word in the sentence, though. o_O
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> makes sense
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> !o4o =~ /\#ubuntu-offtopic/$chan/
[09:11] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, tonyyarusso said: !o4o =~ /\#ubuntu-offtopic/$chan/
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> %login
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> !o4o =~ /\#ubuntu-offtopic/$chan/
[09:11] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> !o4o =~ /#ubuntu-offtopic/$chan/
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> grrrrrr
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> !o4o
[09:13] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[09:13] <jussi01> yay
[09:13] <jussi01> thanks tonyyarusso
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> Of course, that makes it weird in non-offtopic channels like this one, but that's probably okay.
[09:14] <jussi01> well it doesnt really change does it? those things are still not right in #kubuntu for example...
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> true.
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> maybe it's better that way...hmm
[02:05] <LjL> !test
[02:05] <ubotu> Failed.
[02:09] <jussi01> ummm?
[02:09] <jussi01> [15:08]  --> FireHazard17 has joined this channel (n=FireHaza@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[02:09] <jussi01> [15:08]  --> FlameBot has joined this channel (n=FlameBot@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[02:09] <jussi01> #ubuntu+1
[02:09] <LjL> uhm, yeah flamebot was already suspicious enough
[02:09] <LjL> i didn't notice there was a clone too
[02:09] <LjL> not only +1
[02:10] <jussi01> hmmm, maybe one to keep an eye on
[02:10] <Hobbsee> LjL: may as well confront it, modulo what was decided in the meeting yesterday
[02:10] <Pici> its in like 7 *buntu-* channels
[02:11] <LjL> Hobbsee: not sure it's really a bot... but will see
[02:12] <LjL> it's a mirc client
[02:12] <Hobbsee> where's the thingy abaout unofficial bots?
[02:12] <Pici> Heh, I versioned it too.
[02:12] <LjL> the other clone, firehazard, is irssi over cygwin :)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: go and confront it in +1 please
[02:12] <Hobbsee> you're on the ocuncil
[02:13] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines  "Please don't bring bots"
[02:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: the document that seveas prepared mostly deals with making bots official, not much about unofficial bots per se i think. there is something on the irc guidelines page though
[02:13] <Hobbsee> right
[02:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: let me confront it in my own way :) as i was expecting, he just VERSIONed me back
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Pici: you rock
[02:14] <Pici> \m/
[02:21] <LjL> seems alright. if it doesn't say anything, then for what i'm concerned it's not a bot
[02:24] <jdong> the "bot" versioned you back?
[02:24] <jdong> that is one turing-complete reflective bot :)
[02:24] <LjL> jdong: hah no, FireHazard17 versioned me back :)
[02:24] <jdong> ah
[02:25] <jdong> lol that makes more sense :D
[02:25] <LjL> the bot is even IRC compliant
[02:25] <LjL> it only answers to VERSION when typed in uppercase
[02:25] <jdong> figure out its abilities yet?
[02:25] <nalioth> kill it.
[02:26] <LjL> jdong: no idea. from what he's said, it's a learning bot, so probably something like Megahal
[02:26] <jdong> nalioth: that's cold blooded :D
[02:26] <nalioth> kill it.
[02:26] <LjL> nalioth: why? it doesn't talk. if i went hunting every user that doesn't talk...
[02:26] <jdong> a "learning bot"
[02:26] <Pici> nalioth: before it becomes self-aware?
[02:26] <nalioth> Pici: absolutely
[02:26] <jdong> ha
[02:26] <jdong> and they say this isn't a screwoff channel
[02:26] <Pici> Who said that?
[02:27] <LjL> Pici: before it says the wrong thing in the wrong place - for firehazard17's sake. it happened to me with megahal when i was toying with it :)
[02:27] <Jordan_U> jdong, Who?
[02:27] <jdong> hahaha
[02:27] <nalioth> nuke it from orbit.  it's the only way to be sure.
[02:29] <LjL> it's too late... it's already taken control of the US satellite network...
[02:40] <stdin> keep an eye on +1
[02:40] <jussi01> please
[02:40] <Hobbsee> (doing so, please call !ops as appropriate)
[02:41] <stdin> next breach I will
[02:41] <jussi01> k
[02:41] <Hobbsee> patience_at_idiots--
[02:46] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, FireHazard17 said: ubotu's source code is freely availible is it not?
[02:47] <Pici> heh
[02:47] <LjL> not that you gain much by looking at it
[02:49] <jussi01> speaking of bots, anyone know where to get the chuck bofh and t libraries?
[02:49] <jussi01> ooops, probably not best place to ask... ill go elsewhere
[02:49] <LjL> jussi01: the data you mean?
[02:50] <jussi01> LjL: yeah, so i can add them to my own bot for my channel
[02:50] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ubotu-bots, iirc
[02:51] <LjL> uhm i can't remember. for one, the larts database is currently unaccessible
[02:51] <Pici> jussi01: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~dennis/ubuntu-bots/main/files  Check the Mess folder
[02:51] <jussi01> Pici: thanks
[02:57] <LjL> stefg:
[02:57] <LjL> !shortcuts
[02:57] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[02:57] <LjL> !no shortcuts is <reply> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE)
[02:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:57] <LjL> !hotkeys is <alias> shortcuts
[02:57] <LjL> !keys is <alias> shortcuts
[02:57] <LjL> !forget keys-#kubuntu
[02:57] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[03:11] <Pici> Fermat is back.
[03:11] <jdong> NOOOOOO
[03:12] <jdong> RUN before descartes respawns too!!
[03:12] <jdong> he's back to finish his last theorem!
[03:12] <Pici> I'd be lying if I said I didn't smile at that
[03:12] <jdong> ok enough calc jokes for one day :)
[03:12] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[03:12] <jdong> sadly people here get that joke :)
[03:12] <LjL> Pici: ban with "QED" message
[03:27] <Jordan_U> What's yellow and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice?
[03:33] <jrib> Jordan_U: what?
[03:33] <Jordan_U> Zorn's Lemon.
[03:34] <jrib> hahaha
[03:34] <jdong> omg :)
[03:35] <jrib> Pici: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorn's_lemma
[03:35] <Jordan_U> What's purple and commutes?
[03:35] <jrib> abelian grape
[03:36] <Jordan_U> damn
[03:36] <jrib> someone has that on their door here
[03:36] <jdong> lol
[04:08] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:09] <elkbuntu> heh. exploiting from a root account. that can hardly be a good move
[04:11] <LjL> good point
[04:11] <Tm_T> sure it was from root account?
[04:11] <LjL> no, just the username is 'root'
[04:12] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, as sure as is possible without gaining access to the machine
[04:12] <Tm_T> I mean, you can set the "username" in irc client
[04:12] <LjL> elkbuntu: which someone is bound to get soon
[04:13] <LjL> Tm_T: i bet we know, but then again i can't be sure you're tm_t, you could be an impostor
[04:13] <Tm_T> true
[04:13] <elkbuntu> Tm_P, i know that. most clients automatically take it from the unix user name. there is no way to verify without accessing, but i'll guarantee that simply having 'root' as the username will cause the receipt of unwanted activity
[04:14] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: in some exceptions, but yes
[04:14] <LjL> http://<IP_ADDRESS>.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net
[04:15] <elkbuntu> hahaha
[04:15] <LjL> report to staff?
[04:15] <elkbuntu> i think so
[04:15] <elkbuntu> i believe the N-man is already familiar with that group, but i could be wrong
[04:15] <LjL> n-man meaning nalioth i assume? :)
[04:16] <jrib> "Our main goal is to create a nice Hacking Linux distro, remastering ubuntu"
[04:16] <Pici>  /j #shnix
[04:16] <Pici> :p
[04:16] <LjL> Pici: i'd rather not
[04:16] <Pici> LjL: Me either.
[04:16] <LjL> jrib: and checking if current Ubuntu is affected by 5-years-old mIRC exploits?
[04:18] <jrib> of course
[04:18] <LjL> !staff | you may want to have a look at this guy "startk3ylogger" who tried the old boring exploit in #ubuntu, as his IP address contains an interesting website: http://<IP_ADDRESS>.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net/
[04:18] <ubotu> you may want to have a look at this guy "startk3ylogger" who tried the old boring exploit in #ubuntu, as his IP address contains an interesting website: http://<IP_ADDRESS>.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net/: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[04:24] <jdong> that.....
[04:25] <Tm_T> zad!
[04:25] <Pici> zoiks
[04:25] <Tm_T> padazing!
[04:25] <jdong> was...
[04:25] <jdong> the worst piece of poetry I've read since "Come slowly, Eden"
[04:25] <Seeker`> ecky ecky ecky...
[04:26] <Tm_T> el zing cluster yay!
[04:26] <jdong> nothing against emily dickinson...
[04:26] <jdong> just she needs to find real rhyming words.
[04:26] <Tm_T> jdong: you mean like Bruce Dickinson?
[04:27] <jdong> lol... sure :)
[04:27] <LjL> pff
[04:28] <LjL> do you really have to keep talking about people whose names contain words i have on highlight?
[04:28] <jdong> you have...
[04:28] <nico96> ytgogo
[04:28] <jdong> oh I get it.
[04:29] <LjL> hello nico96, anything we can do for you?
[04:29] <nico96> olas
[04:30] <LjL> we need more of these 83.230 bans
[04:30] <nico96> ola
[04:30] <Hobbsee> LjL: heh
[04:30] <LjL> hello nico96. we speak english here
[04:30] <nico96> no
[04:30] <LjL> uhm. yes.
[04:31] <jdong> nico96: the word is "hola" btw.... and this is not the place to practice your spanish either :)
[04:31] <Pici> nico96: #ubuntu-es
[04:32] <Hobbsee> these guys have been spamming with their spanish for ages.  have we ever seen *anything* decent from them?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> (darn turks)
[04:32] <LjL> turks? aren't the turks 88.232? (or something)
[04:32] <LjL> i thought these were actually spanish, just spanish trolls
[04:33] <jdong> role:         IBERBANDA REGISTRY FOR SPANISH OPERATIONS
[04:33] <LjL> but no i hardly recall a 83.230 not saying "ola" and then leaving
[04:33] <jdong> he is actually spanish.
[04:33] <jdong> with really bad spelling.
[04:33] <LjL> they also often join in pairs and start chatting (with really bad spelling) with each other
[04:34] <LjL> i have 83.230 on highlight, but still i'm not sure banning the entire thing is sound
[04:34] <LjL> though having them on highlight doesn't help much, since all they do 99% of the times is say ola a couple of times and leave
[04:35] <jrib> well ola is portuguese
[04:35] <LjL> jrib: it's also spanish for people who don't give a darn about decent spelling
[04:35] <LjL> ola k tal
[04:35] <jdong> haha
[04:36] <LjL> add a "jajajaja" here and there, and you have it
[04:36] <jrib> ah see you're learning new lagnuages
[04:36] <jdong> lol
[04:36] <jrib> soon, you can provide support in -es
[04:36] <LjL> jrib: err... i've been doing that already =)
[04:36] <jdong> it's like that time in 1st year French when this french-belgian native tricked me into swearing at the teacher.
[04:37] <jrib> heh, what did you think you were saying?
[04:37] <jdong> good morning?
[04:37] <LjL> i've been in -pt too for that matter, but while i can fake something resembling spanish, portuguese is harder. i mean, i can make myself understood mostly when talking about computer stuff, it just doesn't look like portuguese..
[04:37] <jdong> it had a m word in it?
[04:37] <jdong> the fact that the teacher shrieked and the kid laughed hysterically tipped me off soon though.
[04:38] <LjL> and yet quite too late
[04:38] <jdong> sadly yes :)
[04:44] <LjL> hey they now use cute unicode arrows in the topic in -es, like FAQ  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreguntasComunes
[04:44] <LjL> i like that
[04:45] <Pici> I like how Putty on windows can't see unicode properly
[04:45] <LjL> is there anything on windows that see unicode properly?
[04:45] <LjL> mirc certainly doesn't
[04:45] <Pici> I can't find any fonts that have good unicode extension
[04:46] <LjL> problem is mostly that windows insists on using utf-16, i guess
[05:06] <Tm_T> Pici: yeah, even Bitstream is short in that
[05:08] <Pici> Tm_T: I'm trying out dejavu right now, it has more characters than bitstream does, and looks almost identical
[05:08] <Tm_T> Pici: because DejaVu is based on Bitstream, but just extended in terms of unicode =)
[05:08] <Pici> Well, then ;)
[05:09] <Tm_T> ...was that even a proper sentence?
[05:11] <Pici> Er.  It made sense in my head.   H
[05:14] <Hobbsee> gah.  eagles is back.  i'd *so* enjoyed him gone
[05:14] <Hobbsee> if anyone finds something to +q him for, go right ahead.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Pici: i've +o'd you.  remove eagles as you wish.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> or even better, +q
[05:18] <Hobbsee> (by nick, as his IP changes)
[05:19] <Pici> ack, sorry, I just got back to my desk
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: you'd better give him a reason - like, that #ubuntu-ops is the better place to whine.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> or preferably not - here being quiet would be nice.
[05:21] <dgjones> Hi, there might just have been an attempt at a dcc send in #ubuntu "<test_>   /msg eW] -Solipse XDCC SEND #8",
[05:22] <Hobbsee> dgjones: yeah, i got a highlight.  unsure what it was
[05:26] <Pici> Hobbsee: I was trying to get it to give a reason for the mute, like "join ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss bans"
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Pici: ahh
[05:30] <jdong> isn't that a valid DCC commend?
[05:31] <jdong> a lot of those pirate IRC chatrooms use that on a bot to request anime and whatnot
[05:31] <jdong> could just be -EWRONGCHANNEL
[05:31] <jdong> like I always do...
[05:31] <mc44> jdong: not that you use pirate anime irc channels or anything
[05:31] <jdong> mc44: no, I'm not an anime fan :)
[05:31] <jdong> mc44: and nor have I ever pirated from IRc
[05:32] <mc44> of course not *wink*
[05:32] <jdong> lol I hate IRC enough already
[05:34] <Pici> Is it possible to set reasons when +q-ing?  I'm trying it in a test channel with my bot and it isnt working
[05:35] <Hobbsee> reasons?  no
[05:35] <Pici> Ah. So I need to tell the user then +q them.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> well, if it's +z, you can see what they say back
[05:35] <Pici> Or give sufficient warning/reasons beforehand.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> (assuming you're +o)
[06:02] <ams1986> ola
[06:06] <stdin> ...
[06:06] <Tm_T> haha, that ban is still very valid =)
[06:18] <ompaul> Tm_T, which one?
[06:19] <Tm_T> isnt 83.230.* redirected to here from #u ?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:29] <Tm_T> yup
[06:29] <Tm_T> thats the one
[07:14] <LjL> uhm no
[07:14] <LjL> not all of 82.230 is redirected
[07:15] <LjL> just a few subaddresses
[07:16] <Tm_T> yes, thats why star without dot
[07:16] <Tm_T> because I dont know what parts of the rest
[07:18] <LjL> *!*@83.230.207.*!#ubuntu-ops<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:18] <LjL> i probably wouldn't be very much against forwarding all of them to here though
[07:28] <kevinl> this is really lame
[07:28] <kevinl> im dying to know now
[07:28] <kevinl> about this dcc exploit
[07:29] <kevinl> that my etch iptables firewall has made me vulnerable to
[07:29] <kevinl> please do tell
[07:29] <jdong> since when could iptables write rules a layer above it?
[07:30] <mc44> it's to do with your router, kevinl
[07:30] <kevinl> whos router?
[07:30] <kevinl> my isps?
[07:30] <mc44> your router
[07:30] <kevinl> cause the only router I have in here is a debian firewall
[07:31] <jdong> there's no intrusion detection system between you and the internet?
[07:31] <kevinl> ids? you mean like portsentry ?
[07:31] <kevinl> im confused
[07:32] <kevinl> and if I am able to get DoS'd on irc because of my own setup, why does #ubuntu care?
[07:32] <jdong> to make it less appealing for osmeone to try the exploit
[07:32] <jdong> it's less fun when nothing happens and just the kid gets klined :)
[07:33] <kevinl> well whats not fun is me not being able to ask a question in #ubuntu
[07:33] <jdong> I mean something that inspects traffic across TCP/UDP streams and writes firewall rules based on it
[07:33] <kevinl> because of some internet vigilante crap that has nothing to do with me
[07:33] <jdong> such as some inline snort setup, norton internet security, ISA server, etc
[07:34] <kevinl> so I am supposed to set up something, besides my good old trusty firewall, to help bust script kiddies, just so I can go into #ubuntu?
[07:35] <jdong> connect to freenode to a different port
[07:35] <kevinl> why ?
[07:36] <kevinl> am I truly vulnerable ?
[07:36] <jdong> I'm not an op, so I can't test for you
[07:37] <kevinl> you know what port?
[07:37] <stdin> 8001
[07:38] <jdong> I hope no ISP's employ silly IPS'es like that...
[07:38] <kevinl> still getting redirected./
[07:39] <jdong> you need to have someone test you
[07:39] <kevinl> jebus.
[07:39] <jdong> and unban you manually
[07:39] <jdong> an op
[07:39] <LjL> kevinl: i'll test you
[07:39] <kevinl> ko.
[07:39] <kevinl> ok.
[07:39] <jdong> don't say ko, might jinx it ;-)
[07:40] <kevinl> ok, getting dcc requests
[07:40] <kevinl> malformed ones
[07:40] <jdong> yep
[07:40] <kevinl> ok, thanks for you time i guess
[07:40] <LjL> kevinl: you can join
[07:40] <jdong> the tingling means it's working :)
[07:40] <kevinl> but unless this is a really big problem on your network
[07:41] <LjL> it is
[07:41] <kevinl> i would say that channel redirect thing is lame
[07:41] <LjL> it isn't
[07:41] <LjL> as long as people are vulnerable, idiots will keep doing this thing
[07:41] <LjL> the way to make them stop is to stop people from being vulnerable
[07:41] <kevinl> ok
[07:41] <kevinl> well do i have the problem?
[07:41] <LjL> and since 90% of them don't listen if you just tell them...
[07:42] <LjL> kevinl: right now, no, as far as i can tell - or i wouldn't have let you in
[07:45] <LjL> [19:45:07]  --> rosa2 has joined this channel (n=rosa2@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[07:45] <LjL> [19:45:17]  <rosa2> ola
[07:45] <LjL> ok, enough
[07:47] <LjL> bantracker comment: I think we've had enough of these 83.230's... I've never seen a single one who was a real user. If someone from this subnet joins *who can talk coherently*, set an exempt
[07:55] <Pici> ola
[07:59] <LjL>  /b pici
[11:06] <PriceChild> *waves at jmillionator*
[11:06] <PriceChild> lol
[11:27] <ubotu> runemaste644 called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:28] <jrib> I warned runemaste644 several times yesterday to stop playing with the bot
[11:29] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:29] <PriceChild> Hey wb Burgundavia
[11:29] <PriceChild> jrib, sounds good
[11:35] <LjL> jrib: you need no justification when using the hammer :P
[11:53] <Seveas> LjL, you available for vpn playtime?
[11:56] <LjL> Seveas: sure, just one cigarette's time and i'm here
[11:57] <Seveas> LjL, before the ciggie, what's the hostname of your ubotu host?
[11:58] <LjL> Seveas: err? i'm behind a NAT, it doesn't have a hostname that makes any sense to the internet..
[11:58] <Seveas> LjL, it makes sense to vpn
[11:58] <LjL> Seveas: the name i have in /etc/hosts is ljlhead
[11:58] <Seveas> ok
[11:58] <LjL> Seveas: it's even on google, "for some reason" =)
[11:58] <Seveas> see you after the ciggie ;)
[12:02] <LjL> Seveas: here. i'm installing openvpn for a start, i suppose it might come useful
[12:03] <Seveas> it is
[12:05] <Seveas> LjL, pm
[12:05] <LjL> go on
[12:06] <PriceChild> (LjL, smoking kills ;)
[12:07] <LjL> PriceChild: so does driving and breathing the air of those who drive :)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> *warning* if your devel system is working _dont_ reinstall to test anything :(
[12:11] <mneptok> PriceChild: standing between an addict and their nicotine will kill you faster.
[12:13] <PriceChild> mneptok, I think its worth an attempt.
[12:13] <PriceChild> depends on the addict though of course.
[12:15] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, smoking KILLS!!!!
[12:15] <gnomefreak> yes it does, its great isnt it :)
[12:15] <PriceChild> hehe
[12:15] <PriceChild> hmm
[12:17] <jrib> gnomefreak: I wouldn't be too sure about that...
[12:17] <jrib> "better than dieing another way"
[12:17] <gnomefreak> true
[12:19] <PriceChild> Mez, you know what>?
[12:19] <Mez> PriceChild, ?
[12:20] <PriceChild> smoking kills! :D
[12:20] <Mez> no it doesnt
[12:21] <Mez> illnesses caused by smoking kills :D
[12:21] <Mez> get your facts right
[12:21] <Mez> actually, technically, smoking causes illnesses which may or may not cause death
[12:21] <Mez> it's not "if i smoke, i die"
[12:22] <Mez> it's "I /could/ get ill and die because of that"
[12:28] <mc44> smoking causes pedantry!
[12:30] <mneptok> buckets kill - http://i19.tinypic.com/35dbvxj.jpg
[12:33] <LjL> PriceChild: menptok couldn't have put it more plainly :P
[12:34] <LjL> i meant the one above the one above
[12:34] <PriceChild> LjL, :)
[12:34] <PriceChild> hehe yeah i'm with you :)
[12:34] <PriceChild> but buckets do kill... watch out
[12:35] <LjL> i know, dad moved one right in the kitchen and i stomped on it in the dark yesterday night
[12:35] <LjL> but then i went to the kitchen in order to go to the balcony and smoke a cigarette
[12:35] <LjL> so you could still say it's smoke that kills
[12:50] <Mez> mc44 :P


[11:49] <Odd_Bloke> Do we have an EOL date for utopic yet?
[12:52] <coreycb> infinity, would you be able to review  the oslo.messaging sru in the trusty queue?  we're waiting on that before testing the recent stable icehouse release in proposed.
[13:23] <mdeslaur> Odd_Bloke: hrm, july 23rd I guess
[13:23] <mdeslaur> infinity: We need to send out the Utopic EoL notice
[15:49]  * cjwatson massively speeds up http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/ generation
[15:49] <cjwatson> rewrote the uninstallability analysis on top of dose-debcheck
[15:49] <cjwatson> hopefully will cause that to block other archive jobs less often
[15:49] <cjwatson> apw: ^-
[15:50] <cjwatson> 7m23s -> 17s for the wily ports job given current data
[15:54] <apw> cjwatson, woh now that is some saving in time ...
[15:58] <cjwatson> quite how extreme it is depends on the number of uninstallables; it's not quite as dramatic for primary, but still
[16:00] <apw> cjwatson, even if it only saved that time on wily, thats a fair chunk of an hour right there, worth your time for sure
[17:25] <infinity> mdeslaur: I'm only doing 21d notice for 9mo releases (but, yeah, that's coming up).
[17:25] <mdeslaur> infinity: cool, great


[12:36] <mpt> Since July last year, the number of Launchpad user accounts has increased from 2849971 to 3812742.
[12:43] <mpt> That’s … a lot.
[12:47] <rbasak> Spam?
[12:48] <wgrant> No, but around half of the increase is from SSO accounts with usernames, which count toward that metric.
[13:27] <mpt> Correction: That’s since July 2015, not July 2016. Oops.
[13:27] <mpt> Still a big uptick, but not quite as big as I thought.
[14:38] <mpt> …And we had a similarly big uptick in 2013, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:29] <EvanCarroll> Is there any change to get the videolan ppa delisted? It hasn't built properly in over a year. It's confusing a lot of users by having the launchpad page. I've written to the maintainers multiple times, and they've never responded. It only serves to add confusion and waste resources.
[21:45] <karstensrage> how do you get the library version of stuff for a makefile?
[21:46] <karstensrage> like the ibraries on 12.04 are 2.15
[21:46] <karstensrage> but on 14.04 they are 2.36 i think
[21:46] <nacc> "the libraries"?
[21:47] <karstensrage> well stuff in /lib/{arch}
[21:47] <karstensrage> 2.19 on 14.04 i guess
[21:47] <karstensrage> 2.26 on 16.04
[21:47] <karstensrage> 2.36 on 16.04
[21:49] <nacc> karstensrage: that's not one library
[21:49] <nacc> karstensrage: so i don't know what version you are talking about
[21:50] <nacc> or why you'd be asking in the launchpad channel?
[21:50] <karstensrage> well cause generally #launchpad is much more helpful than #ubunto* or #deban*
[21:58] <karstensrage>  its all the libnss libraries
[22:00] <karstensrage> i built my own libnss and im trying to figure out the best way to package it for distribution


[15:54] <charlie-tca> Are we taking a step back? GDM is asking for a user name again
[15:55] <charlie-tca> as in, only user on system, must type in username
[15:58] <charlie-tca> hmm, this was a maverick encrypted LVM install, it won't allow me to login. I will try a non-encrypted install, then.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> Ristretto's lack of print support makes me sad.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I understand that.  I can't log in on non-encrypted installation either
[17:07] <charlie-tca> alternate 386 image. Seems it forgets to create the user!
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Maverick ISO for today does not create the user! GDM won't authenticate the missing user
[17:14] <charlie-tca> known and fixed issue
[17:59] <charlie-tca> well, at least that "no user" issue isn't limited today. The desktop live environment fails too!
[18:34] <TheSheep> you might want to replace aumix with amixer in default key bindings -- aumix doesn't work anymore
[18:52] <mr_pouit> default key bindings use xfce4-volumed
[18:58] <TheSheep> ah, I must have settings from before a couple of versions then
[18:58] <TheSheep> funny, neither xfce4-volumed --help nor man xfce4-volumed works :/
[18:59] <mr_pouit> yeah, there are no options anyway ;>
[18:59] <TheSheep> then how am I supposed to bind it to the keys?
[19:00] <mr_pouit> it's just a daemon which grabs your VolUp/VolDown/VolMute keys and change the gstreamer mixer properties
[19:00] <mr_pouit> you don't need to do anything
[19:00] <TheSheep> well, it doesn't
[19:00] <TheSheep> ok, thanks
[19:00] <mr_pouit> yeah, the new release works better
[19:00] <mr_pouit> (relies on libkeybinder that is really able to grabs keys…)
[19:01] <TheSheep> well, I upgraded to 10.10 yesterday...
[19:01] <TheSheep> or do you mean 'the version in the repository' by 'new release'?
[19:01] <mr_pouit> no, v. 0.1.9, released on Sep 25
[19:02] <mr_pouit> too late for maverick ;-(
[19:02] <TheSheep> funny thing, --version doesn't work either :)
[19:04] <TheSheep> launchpad has 0.1.6
[19:05] <TheSheep> then again, you might consider using amixer, which happens to work


[15:28] <joris> Trying to setup a multiuser machine with mate. I had to remove firefox snap, because it does not work with nfs home directories. Now if a new user logs in firefox is not shown in the menu. I can fix this with editing the menu. Is there a way to fix this for all future users?
[21:00] <sixwheeledbeast> joris: how did you install and remove ff
[21:08] <joris> sixwheeledbeast, I followed some tutorial. I am using mozilla ppa now
[21:25] <sixwheeledbeast> AFAIK If you have removed the snap pinned it given priority to the mozilla ppa and installed from there. it should have replaced it correctly for every user.
[21:26] <sixwheeledbeast> the menu item should be pointing to the correct place and available.
[21:27] <sixwheeledbeast> Have you tried making another user to see if its the same
[21:29] <joris> yeah I made another user to test
[21:30] <joris> It is also in the menu, but hidden, for some reason I need to select it
[21:33] <alkisg> joris: https://ltsp.org/guides/snap/
[21:33] <joris> After that it is visible, but a new user is never going to figure that out
[21:33] <alkisg> I specifically wrote that for snap and mate :)
[21:33] <joris> thanks alkisg
[21:33] <joris> going to check that out
[21:34] <alkisg> Not that if you have already uninstalled snap, some "ifs" may not execute, and you'd need to either reinstall snap and re-run the whole thing, or run them selectively
[21:34] <alkisg> The last         if [ ! -e /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/firefox_firefox.desktop ]; then is the one that takes care of the panel icon problem
[21:35] <joris> the last part is what I am looking for
[21:35] <alkisg> *Note
[21:35] <joris> that is going to be very helpful
[21:35] <alkisg> You'll also need the dpkg-divert line
[21:36] <joris> ah yeah thanks
[21:36] <alkisg> That one solves the problem with the hidden firefox menu
[21:36] <joris> nice
[21:37] <alkisg> It's a pity that snap has to be so invasive, to require patches in all desktop environments, instead of just using the PATH or something
[21:43] <joris> yeah... maybe mate with debian is the sane option in the future
[21:44] <joris> Going to log off, thanks again!
[21:44] <alkisg> 👍


[04:29] <MehdiHassanpour> I've changed our loco wiki frontpage to this: http://wiki.ubuntu.ir . I can create an english page also if some of you interested. I think the h.u.c/community can have such structure too. should be more user friendly for newbies...
[07:07] <bdmurray> Does anybody know if there are stats for wiki.ubuntu.com page views?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:07] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PageHits
[07:07] <Burgundavia> from the beginning of time
[07:13] <bdmurray> Burgundavia: That's great, thanks.
[07:13] <Burgundavia> same on the help wiki
[11:24] <bdmurray> does the w.u.c support strike-through?
[11:24] <Burgwork> probably, never tried it
[11:25] <bdmurray> I can't find anything about it
[11:26] <Flannel> --(Try This)--
[11:26] <bdmurray> Okay, I guess I lied I did find that it didn't work out for me in a table cell


[14:33] <hungerjQ> this command ?
[14:33] <hungerjQ> usually i see lots of lines of text
[14:46] <owernS> i tho all are adolf
[14:46] <owernS> Corvus`: why, because one who saved the world confessed to it while retired ?
[14:46] <owernS> why such a inconveniant pastebin like filedropper, use paste.ubuntu.com
[14:46] <owernS> hardcore
[14:52] <sneyx124> JeffATL: what are you really trying to do and why?
[14:52] <sneyx124> and a cocomplete category should really be called an mplete category ;)
[14:53] <Freddy2001> I'm confused, r is the C-side computed value
[14:54] <Freddy2001> fath0m: It's normal in IRC tradition, to use <nick>: <message>, not @<nick>, and in fact, most IRC clients let you TAB-complete nicks, like fat<TAB> and it fills in the rest, but with @, it usually doesn't do so.
[14:54] <Freddy2001> ⅿom iѕ nоt doiᥒg Allɑh iѕ ԁοіᥒg
[14:54] <Freddy2001> the associative bits, and things like operator[], are on top of that
[14:54] <Freddy2001> or use a proper ssh/rsync style 'url'
[14:54] <Freddy2001> rien_: There is some hierarchy of categories, but that's rather when you consider the category of categories, or category of functors.
[15:05] <dv``> going back to garbage processed/fast foods caused me 30LBS weight gain in 1 .5 years
[15:05] <dv``> MrElendig: where on earth are you getting vpses for that price?!
[15:05] <dv``> IcePic, dereference of pointer, rather.
[15:08] <surrealpieRo> kerframil: ah
[15:08] <surrealpieRo> helps
[15:09] <surrealpieRo> Woet: What channel?
[15:27] <jiffewJ> so -x 0 -y 0 --width 1920 --height --1080, or whatever
[15:27] <jiffewJ> dmwit not switch them, but turn foldl into foldl', and leave foldl' as is (and perhaps deprecate it)
[15:36] <BergelA> is your computer running on Fedora?
[15:36] <BergelA> a____ptr: at least in the AG setting, it'd be minimal if it's irreducible and reduced, assuming the surface in question is smooth and connected
[15:44] <holywaterfJ> What is the difference between a closed polyline and a polygon?
[15:44] <holywaterfJ> If that is not preferred, it's possible there are VPN providers out there that can do similar
[15:45] <holywaterfJ> hatmadderz: We can say things like, try this or another GUI, but we probably can't help improving pgAdmin (or don't want to)
[16:25] <adam3ushF> zipWith _ _      _      = []
[16:25] <adam3ushF> HaZrD,  you're welcome to ask the question you have... be sure to add lots of informative details
[16:25] <adam3ushF> metrixx: make commits that are topical
[16:25] <adam3ushF> unyu: isnt it weird how in category theory presheaves are Hom(-,X), but in diffy geom a presheaf you see are set of "smooth functions f: M -> R"
[16:25] <adam3ushF> Are you an applied mathematician?
[16:25] <adam3ushF> How is it possible that some smartphones can't "see" the ESSID of my brand new EnGenius ENS500 (such as Honor 9 LITE, Galaxy J5) while other devices can see it (Honor 9, iPhone, Dell laptop)?
[16:29] <keenerd_> spellcheckers should always be disabled. pure annoyance
[16:29] <keenerd_> Meaning I know how to do things without accidentally gassing myself
[16:30] <keenerd_> but i just gave an example
[16:30] <keenerd_> Monero peeps, please share thoughts on Tron/TRX?
[17:36] <psiljO> there's already power coming out of the wall :P
[17:36] <psiljO> ExodusInstrument: also, Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is EOL and unsupported here and through paid support. You will not get support for 12.10 anywhere.
[17:36] <psiljO> the new episodes on Netflix are pretty good, too
[17:37] <psiljO> you'd have the best - but the best may not be the best fit
[17:37] <psiljO> ok on to testing deploying applications to windows via win software repo. I'm waiting on my windows vm to spin up so I'll be back if that gives me any issues, after some tinkering I was able to get the git repo cached last night with salt-run winrepo.update_git_repos so it seems promising.  K4 . S3 . K4 . S1 . K2 . S2 . K3 . S0 . K1 $ [('a', True)]
[20:06] <zlgfx> pseudo-devices like tun.gif and so on => destroy + create
[20:06] <zlgfx> 80s, 90s, something like that?
[20:50] <boshomiUK> 240 shillings
[20:50] <boshomiUK> ^ I
[20:50] <boshomiUK> when the code compile that's almost allright if you are careful.
[20:50] <boshomiUK> get an ac
[20:51] <boshomiUK> hashrate 2khs or something for that proc?


[00:38] <micahg> persia: cool, looks like the DMB MOTUs having upload rights to everything will be fixed shortly, http://blog.launchpad.net/coming-features/team-owner-no-longer-implies-team-member
[00:51] <lifeless> micahg: thats deployed
[00:51] <micahg> lifeless: oh, cool, was just quoting the blog WRT soon :)
[00:51] <lifeless> micahg: but not to the uploader service
[00:52] <lifeless> micahg: see the blog comments ;)
[00:52] <micahg> silly RSS feed...
[00:53] <micahg> lifeless: oh, are there plans to apply it to uploaders as well?
[00:53] <lifeless> micahg: the upload service isn't high availability
[00:54] <lifeless> micahg: the code change will affect it when the next deploy is done to those boxes - probably soon, but definitely by june 8th
[00:54] <micahg> lifeless: ah, ok, coo
[00:54] <micahg> *cool
[00:54] <lifeless> right now the change may prevent uploads, but it would detect it at queue processing rather than sftp/ftp time
[01:22] <micahg> ximion1: not sure about xmllint, we have the same version as sid, last time I had an issue like this, it was something in the build script
[01:24] <ximion1> micahg, this is really a weird thing, because this error really appears only with LPs buildds
[01:25] <micahg> ximion: idk, maybe one of the DDs here would know why xmllint behaves different in Ubuntu and Debian
[01:26] <ximion> micahg, if it's the same package it should do the same...
[01:26] <ximion> but there's always something which could go wrong
[01:27]  * micahg tries to dig up the upload which had the issue
[01:30] <ximion> micahg: thanks! If there's anything where I can help, just ping me :)
[01:32] <ximion> you might also want to take a look at bug #779148
[01:33] <ximion> the gnome-packagekit of debian will remove the old packagekit-gnome binary package if someone tries to install it at the same time.
[01:33] <ximion> (the bug above was ACKed already, but nothing happened then :P)
[01:34] <ximion> so, I really need to go to bed (it's 3 in the morning here...)
[01:34] <ximion> i'll be back tomorrow
[01:34] <micahg> ximion: the archive admins are a little behind on package removal, they'll catch up soon :)
[01:34] <micahg> ximion: good night
[01:35] <ximion> micahg, ah, okay - I just want to mention this before you stumble upon it.
[01:35] <ximion> thanks!
[01:35] <ximion> gn8
[03:02] <psusi> does it take a day or something for the mail forward @ubuntu.com to start working after being added to universe-contributors?
[03:02] <psusi> or is there something I have to do to activate it?
[03:07] <stgraber> psusi: last time I heard about it, it was some cronjob running once a day
[03:21] <broder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[14:29] <xdatap1> micahg, hello
[18:25] <xdatap1> micahg, hello! Thanks for the quick answer. My debdiff is attached to bug #791950
[18:27] <xdatap1> micahg, I'm going to have dinner. Thanks in advance :)
[19:13] <evaluate> micahg, also, if you want to keep the same monochrome look for ubuntu in oneiric, you might want to change the default icon to something like: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=141013
[19:14] <evaluate> I can submit a wishlist for that if you want me to.
[19:57] <micahg> evaluate: why not make the change upstream if the icon is better?
[19:58] <evaluate> micahg, the default gnome icon theme is quite colorful, so I'm not sure this icon would fit with it.
[19:58] <evaluate> For example in Debian.
[19:59] <micahg> evaluate: ah, ok, would you be open to handling it with dpkg-vendor in the Debian pacakge?
[20:00]  * micahg wants to minimize the diff
[20:00] <evaluate> Sure.
[20:03] <evaluate> If I do this change before the featurefreeze, the changes should be good for it making it in, right?
[20:03] <evaluate> (I'm pretty busy with exams for the next month)
[20:05] <micahg> evaluate: sure, no rush
[20:07] <evaluate> ok then, I'll do it in the Debian package, and request a sync when it's ready.
[20:10] <micahg> evaluate: well, only a sync if you add the appindicator part as a control.in as well :)
[20:11] <evaluate> Talked about that on debian-devel and they said it's considered a RC bug to change the build-depends on build-time, so I'd rather not.
[20:15] <micahg> evaluate: oh right, you can't do that, I keep forgetting...
[20:16] <micahg> evaluate: you can make it changeable at upload time so that all that needs to be done is regenerate the control file
[20:16] <micahg> so, I guess no sync for the forseeable future unless appindicator gets in Debian
[20:17] <evaluate> micahg, sorry, not sure how I could make it changeable at upload time...
[20:18] <micahg> evaluate: regenerate debian/control in the clean rule
[20:18] <micahg> I think
[20:18]  * micahg goes digging for info
[20:22] <micahg> yeah, it's mentioned in the comments here: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/
[20:24] <evaluate> That seems to only apply to 'Depends:' and not 'Build-Depends:' though.
[20:25] <ScottK> Another option is to package the library for Debian ...
[20:25] <ScottK> (just saying)
[20:25] <evaluate> ScottK, AFAIK there is already ongoing work regarding packaging of the ayatana 'suite' in Debian.
[20:26] <ScottK> Yes.  There's a team doing it.  I'm sure they'd love more help.
[20:26] <micahg> evaluate: build-depends would require a separate upload still, but just a new source package would be created (i.e. dch -i, *Sync on Debian)
[20:27] <micahg> yeah, what ScottK says would obviously be best :)
[20:28] <evaluate> ScottK, I'm pretty busy currently, but I'll see if I can help soon.
[20:28] <evaluate> Although, tbqh I don't like ayatana very much.
[21:29] <micahg> SpamapS: mongodb for natty should just be ported to mozjs185 I think...we need to do it for oneiric first though
[21:32] <SpamapS> micahg: is that trivial?
[21:33] <micahg> SpamapS: well, idk, I don't think it's too bad (probably <100 lines)
[21:33] <micahg> and we get to drop the hack
[21:35] <SpamapS> +1 for that. :)
[21:35] <SpamapS> did the hack get dropped in natty tho?
[21:35] <SpamapS> otherwise how would he see the missing lib he saw?
[21:35] <micahg> SpamapS: no, there's already a bug though for the actual problem
[21:36] <SpamapS> ah
[21:36] <micahg> SpamapS: bug 791672


[00:05] <thomasdelbeke> !pastebin
[00:05] <thomasdelbeke> Hi
[00:06] <thomasdelbeke> server is down
[00:06] <thomasdelbeke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[00:06] <thomasdelbeke> I was about to file a bug:
[00:06] <Pici> Which server?
[00:07] <Pici> cdimage.u.c works for me.
[00:07] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116627/
[00:07] <thomasdelbeke> not for me ...
[00:08] <thomasdelbeke> u mean like(?):
[00:08] <thomasdelbeke> rsync -zhhP cdimage.u.c ~/somewhere
[00:08] <thomasdelbeke> ???
[00:09] <thomasdelbeke> I used:
[00:10] <thomasdelbeke> rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso ~/Desktop/rsync/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso
[00:10] <thomasdelbeke> Can you check (?):
[00:10] <thomasdelbeke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[00:12] <Pici> Theres no cd images there.
[00:12] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116629/
[00:12] <thomasdelbeke> I know
[00:12] <thomasdelbeke> there use to be
[00:13] <thomasdelbeke> have thwey moved?
[00:13] <thomasdelbeke> used to be / they
[00:13] <thomasdelbeke> sorry: slightly toasted
[00:14] <Pici> They either failed to build or just didn't build.
[00:14] <thomasdelbeke> hmmm ...
[00:14] <Pici> I wonder if #ubuntu-testing may know better
[00:14] <thomasdelbeke> I'm doing something wrong again?
[00:14] <Pici> No.
[00:14] <thomasdelbeke> I'll check that ou then
[00:15] <thomasdelbeke> Thanks a lot!
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> ok
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> reported
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> thanks 4 that
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> cu
[05:46] <dholbach> good morning
[05:52] <maco> dholbach: hiya
[05:53] <dholbach> hi maco
[05:56] <maco> dholbach: what replaced xutils and x-dev?
[05:58] <dholbach> I think it's a bunch of individual small packages
[05:58] <maco> aw, crap
[05:58] <dholbach> try asking in #ubuntu-x
[05:58] <maco> i dont know how to figure out *which* of those smaller packages this package build-depends on
[06:02] <Ryan52> yay for trial and error! :)
[06:05] <maco> Ryan52: ?
[06:06] <maco> im dpkg -S'ing for the headers. #include "foo.h" means foo.h is part of that package, right?
[06:06] <maco> i only have to look for the ones in < >?
[06:07] <Ryan52> yes.
[10:19] <ara> thekorn_: ping
[10:20] <thekorn_> ara, hi
[10:20] <ara> thekorn: hey! your changes (and mine) are now in the packaging branch at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/packaging
[10:20] <ara> thekorn: a bug for sponsorship is now at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-qa-tools/+bug/327992
[10:21] <thekorn> ara, brilliant, thanks
[10:21]  * jpds takes a look.
[10:21] <ara> thekorn: could you please get the latest from that branch, source package it and attach the diff.gz and debdiff to it, please?
[10:22] <ara> thekorn: and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors when done :-)
[10:22] <thekorn> ara, yes, going to do it in a bit
[10:24] <ara> thekorn: cool, thanks :)
[10:27] <jpds> ara: Have you taken any scripts from ubuntu-dev-tools that might conflict?
[10:27] <ara> jpds: no, they are different set of tools
[10:28] <jpds> ara: OK; just checking.
[10:30] <shankhs> how to get the source code of bazaar ... bzr branch lp:amarok is giving me error( cannot pass through proxy) I think I should try to create a patch...
[10:33] <jpds> shankhs: Try #bzr
[10:33] <shankhs> jpds: thanx
[10:49] <thekorn> jpds, one question for you as a packaging hero: what is needed for the update of ubuntu-qa-tools? debdiff or diff.gz or both?
[10:50] <jpds> thekorn: .diff.gz
[10:51] <thekorn> jpds, ok, good, do you have any docs on how to get this .diff.gz
[10:52] <thekorn> maybe I'm blind, but getting a debdiff is described in so many places,
[10:52] <jpds> thekorn: It's generated when you make the source package.
[10:52] <jpds> ...but this may be a native package, so just pop the tarball up.
[10:53] <thekorn> yes, no diff.gz after creating the sourcepackage,
[10:54] <jpds> OK; native, debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[10:54] <thekorn> yup, that's what I just did
[10:54] <thekorn> thanks jpds
[10:55] <jpds> Attach the patch to LP, and I'll review and upload.
[10:57] <thekorn> jpds, debdiff attached
[11:04] <jpds> thekorn: All looks good to me, uploaded, thanks.
[11:04] <thekorn> jpds, great, Thank you
[11:12] <thekorn> wow, this was really fast!
[12:33] <whiteplane> hi
[12:34] <whiteplane> how to install -dbgsym for all the packages I have installed?
[12:34] <whiteplane> 2) how to do that but just for all libs I have installed ?  any ready solution or a script is needed
[12:48] <seb128> whiteplane: you can use sudo apport-retrace on a crash file, it will install the required dbg packages before retracing
[16:55] <pedro_> Ubuntu QA Meeting in ~5 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting, feel free to join!
[18:36] <thekorn> hi everybody,
[18:38] <thekorn> sorry, I did not made it to todays meeting, good to see you talked about the hugday tool
[18:39] <thekorn> and good to see that mrkanister and mangilimic or using it for *tomorrows* hugday :)
[18:39] <thekorn> s/or/are
[20:34] <fuzzyskater> Hello
[22:13] <maco> asac: hello?
[22:34] <asac> maco: ?
[22:34] <maco> asac: does network manager by any chance handle WPA-PSK with TKIP differently from AES?
[22:35] <maco> i was just at a cafe and couldnt connect with nm-applet, knetworkmanager, or n-m-plasmoid. but i can connect at home. the only thing i'm thinking is that i use AES and i dont think those unaware of the recent TKIP thing have switched
[22:35] <maco> so im wondering if it's possible that i can use WPA-PSK at home but not out n about because of TKIP v. AES in jaunty
[22:55] <asac> maco: PSK should be fully supported
[22:55] <asac> maco: could be your driver
[22:55] <asac> maco: which driver are you using?
[22:55] <asac> iwl*?
[22:56] <maco> asac: iwlagn
[22:56] <asac> maco: what kind of net is that?
[22:56] <maco> im using 802.11g with AES
[22:56] <asac> a g n?
[22:56] <asac> yes ... that works?
[22:56] <maco> yes
[22:56] <asac> k
[22:56] <asac> and the not working one?
[22:57] <maco> i dont know for sure. i just know it's wpa-psk and that i had the right key
[22:57] <maco> i can try setting my router to b or n and see what happens
[22:57] <maco> after class
[22:58] <asac> i think n networks cause issues
[22:59] <asac> at least they did for some driver/chipsets
[22:59] <asac> not long ag
[22:59] <asac> o
[22:59] <maco> thats why i have it set to g-only right now
[22:59] <maco> n was known to panic on intrepid. supposedly it's fixed.
[23:00] <maco> but i didnt have any panic issues, itd just say "configuring" on any of the nm guis for about a minute, then itd give up
[23:00] <maco> i thought maybe suspend was a problem, so i rebooted. i tried with all 3 guis for it, and i tried in both gnome-session and kde session
[23:01] <IntuitiveNipple> maco: Did you check with channel the AP was on, and which regulatory domain the PC is operating in (default is US - channels 1-11).
[23:01] <maco> IntuitiveNipple: i'm in the US, and i've used the AP before, before they turned on WPA
[23:01] <IntuitiveNipple> maco: I got caught by that self-same thing at home because I operate the AP on channel13 and the default domain was US... changed the option to EU and that solved it
[23:01] <maco> maybe a month ago...
[23:02] <IntuitiveNipple> My AP operates WPA2 TKIP+AES and Hardy would connect okay but Jaunty failed with the same symptoms you described
[23:03] <maco> ill have to go back and do an iwlist
[23:03] <maco> see what it says the channel and encryption are set to
[23:03] <maco> but first, i should go to class. back in like 15 minute
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah... I was going to post a bug about it, it was really annoying me, then I noticed some kernel mailing-list traffic about cfg80211 and it clicked since the default is US.
[23:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I do think that NetworkManager should make use of it's knowledge of the user locale to reload the driver with the appropriate regulatory domain set
[23:05] <IntuitiveNipple> s/it's/its/
[23:17] <kwah> hi all
[23:18] <amja1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327237
[23:18] <amja1> this looks critical to me
[23:18] <kwah> Q: is there a possibility to use Apport behind proxy with authorization?
[23:28] <andersk> Can someone increase the importance of bug 303112?  If it is not fixed, the OpenAFS client, which many users on Intrepid, will not work at all on Jaunty.
[23:32] <andersk> I think that Medium importance is appropriate, given that this has a "severe impact on a non-core application".
[23:36] <maco> asac: ok i'm back. i just tried to connect to open wireless.  knetworkmanager wouldnt respond at all when i chose the network. i killed NM (since it interferes with iwconfig) and tried iwconfig, but it still wouldnt associate.  i restarted networking and then started NM and used the plasmoid, and *then* i could connect. this feels like a "poke til it works" situation
[23:38] <asac> maco: yeah. sounds driverish
[23:38] <asac> maco: to be sure use the gnome nm-applet
[23:38] <asac> as thats the only implementation i would trust to do things more or less right
[23:47] <maco> asac: it cant be used in kde
[23:47] <maco> asac: it doesnt show in the tray at all. and 2 weeks ago nm-applet wouldnt do wpa while knm would :P


[01:11] <jplatte> Hi, I'm trying to get the Ubuntu SDK to work on Arch Linux
[01:12] <jplatte> I've found the QtCreator Ubuntu plugin source, and the remotelinux plugin source which the former seems to depend on
[01:13] <jplatte> But I can't figure out how to build them. I can generate a makefile with qmake and run make or open the .pro file in qtcreator and try to build the project there, but the qtcreator source files are not found
[01:13] <jplatte> I have seen that when creating new plugin projects, you get to set the qtcreator source path, in a graphic dialog of course... how do I set this for the plugins I cloned from launchpad?
[10:02] <ogra_> hmm
[10:03]  * ogra_ wonders if he could abuse the CameraRecorder from QtMultimedia with a video resolution of 0 and framerate of 0 to write an audio recorder :)
[11:55] <DF__> Hi, does some one know about databases??
[12:08] <DF__> HI
[12:41] <DF__> can some one help me out with a database problem??
[12:43] <jonny_> Hi anyone know why QT Designer fails to start with the error while reading typeinfo files ?
[12:43] <jplatte> DF__: You didn't specify what kind of problem you have. Also, it's early in the morning for most of the US, so maybe less people are online now than other times
[12:44] <jonny_> should I right now or should I wait ?
[12:45] <jplatte> jonny_: what?
[12:45] <DF__> ok so here is my problem
[12:45] <DF__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10844248/
[12:46] <DF__> i can't use the database that i specified
[12:48] <jplatte> DF__: I don't see any database specified there, also that's just some part of code, not an error message or description. Anyway, this doesn't seem to be about something Ubuntu SDK specific. Try to find a help channel about Qt or whatever database library you're using in that C++ code.
[12:48] <DF__> ok wait a sec, i send you the full code
[12:49] <DF__> here it's
[12:49] <DF__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10844277/
[12:54] <jplatte> I've never used Qt, I still don't see a database name or anything like that, and you still didn't specify how this code fails. Like I said before, you'll probably have more success asking about this on a Qt IRC or something similar; there should be more people online, and they should know more about Qt – ask here if you have problems with Ubuntu specific problems, like the Ubuntu Touch permission stuff, building Apps for and i
[15:41] <vitimiti> Can somebody point me to a translation guide? I've already activated the translations for my app on launchpad, but I really want to make the translation for es_ES myself
[15:49] <popey> vitimiti: https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Guide
[15:49] <vitimiti> popey, thank you very much
[16:14] <vitimiti> popey, I've been able to do it, thank you very much :)
[16:14] <vitimiti> Now my program is in my native language, too
[17:55] <vitimiti> How do I know what framework I've got to use for the publishing? I've tried most of the available ones and all of them have that same problem
[18:18] <nik90|temp> vitimiti:for now use ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml for now
[18:18] <vitimiti> nik90|temp, thanks, I'll try
[18:19] <nik90|temp> that should work on bq phones
[18:19] <bzoltan_> vitimiti: as long you target the bq device you better stick to 14.10 fw, if you play with the 15.04 then 15.04 should be the fw
[18:20] <vitimiti> I can't do anything with the publishing, it says that there's an error in the securicy_policy_version_matches_framework every time
[18:20] <vitimiti> With 14.10, too
[18:20] <vitimiti> Also, it's a C++/QML app, not just a QML app
[18:25] <nik90|temp> vitimiti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/ubuntu-clock-app.json
[18:25] <nik90|temp> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/manifest.json.in
[18:26] <vitimiti> I'll check those
[18:32] <vitimiti> 14.10 did it for me, at last, thank you
[19:27] <nik90|temp> vitimiti:yw
[21:20] <vitimiti> For my app (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vitimiti/youtube-dl-ubutouch/trunk/files) I need the youtube-dl binary to be shipped with the package. I'm testing by issuing the same commands in the .pro file as for qmldir, so that it is copied together with the .so library, in the same folder, but I still can't execute the binary file with QProcess, since I don't know where the application is being executed from or even where the click
[21:20] <vitimiti> package will install this binary. Can somebody help me with that?
[21:20] <vitimiti> Wow, that was a letter, sorry


[05:30] <lotuspsychje> morning M_aD
[05:30] <M_aD> morning lotuspsychje
[06:50] <ducasse> good morning
[17:34] <TJ-> daftykins: would you be able to do some more sleuthing for me about a Guernsey company?


[01:23] <Chr1831> how do i install mono support for asp.net on apache?
[01:24] <Chr1831> mono-apache-server2 but its only showing me my source
[01:27] <Chr1831> anyone?
[01:31] <Chr1831> everyone ran away =(
[01:34] <Chr1831> twb can you lend me a hand?
[01:38] <twb> Chr1831: do not speak to specific people unless you have a good reason.
[03:08] <lukehasnoname> smack-down hath been laid
[03:33] <rosa_> Hi there...I am just installed my print server but when i try to connect from the windows clients to printers (in the server) doing double click and i got the message "the server doesn't have the correct drivers"...somebody know how solve it, i need the clients take the drivers from the serve
[04:16] <rosa_> Hi there...I am just installed my print server but when i try to connect from the windows clients to printers (in the server) doing double click and i got the message "the server doesn't have the correct drivers"...somebody know how solve it, i need the clients take the drivers from the serve
[05:27] <keyser_soze> rosa_: I think this will help: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3621876
[05:41] <rosa_> thanks a lot! I will check it
[05:42] <nick125> :o That's really neat. I should try that on this school network I'm setting up with Windows clients and a Ubuntu server serving away.
[05:45] <nick125> Installing HP's crappy Windows drivers on 20-30 machines is enough to ruin ANYBODY'S day.
[05:59] <twb> I didn't know Microsoft shipped Windows with PostScript drivers pre-installed.
[06:06] <rosa_> yes even more if you have 200 students
[06:26] <nick125> rosa_: If I had to install the HP drivers, by hand, on 200 machines, I think I would actually hang myself.
[06:37] <rosa_> haha ...i am tring to follor the stet but when i try to install libcups2-dev i got Couldn't find package libcups2-dev
[06:38] <rosa_> i tried with aptitud also but the same??? any idea?
[06:42] <rosa_> i intaleed thwe other packages but i can't find this package
[07:02] <nick125> rosa_: weird. I find the package here without problems.
[07:10] <rosa_> also when i try to unpacket the files from cups i got error :gnu/stubs-32.h: No file or directory but my server is AMB64
[07:12] <nick125> rosa_: Are you trying to build something?
[07:13] <nick125> If so, you'll *likely* need to run sudo apt-get build-dep cups
[07:13] <rosa_> no, just install the cups packet for windows that appear in the page that you told me
[07:13] <rosa_> :D
[07:15] <nick125> rosa_: run sudo apt-get build-dep cups and try again
[07:16] <rosa_> :) thanks
[07:18] <nick125> Let me know if it works.
[08:29] <chrislabeard> Hey guys everytime i try and access my ftp server outside my network it times out after user and pass
[08:46] <_ruben> chrislabeard: sounds like a problem with active/passive ftp and connection tracking .. i assume it stalls at the point where it'd list the directory contents?
[08:46] <chrislabeard> i got it working my router wasn't forwarding the correct ports
[08:46] <chrislabeard> now i want to test the speed
[08:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408732 in lsb (main) "lsb package crash after login (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408732
[08:50] <rosa> hi sorry i lost the connection, can please repeat the command to re install or install properly the libcusp2-dev?
[08:52]  * andol points rosa at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/04/%23ubuntu-server.html
[09:14] <rosa> hi there sombody know how I can know if i have cups-dev installed or how install it?
[09:25] <nick125> rosa: You should be able to run sudo apt-get install libcups2-dev and it will tell you if it's installed or not. If you're still installing the build deps, running the build deps command (sudo apt-get build-deps cups) should install anything not installed.
[09:26] <rosa> i tried but still i got souln't find package libcups2-dev
[09:27] <nick125> Still? Well, I think build deps should pull that in any case.
[09:54] <rosa> hi nick125: in the article also say I need to install this packages gcc, libjpeg, libjpeg-devel, libpng, libpng-devel, libtiff, libtiff-devel, zlib, and zlib-devel  it is right cause also i can't get
[10:01] <pascalou> hi here
[10:01] <pascalou> i am having troublr to install grub on a md raid0 disk , can anyone help me?
[10:02] <pascalou> i get  The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[10:05] <rosa> im sorry im new...how i can know which cups version im running?
[10:15] <rosa> hi pascalou what is the error exaclty?
[10:18] <simplexio> pascalou: if i recall right you cant install grub into raid0.. i can be wrong too
[10:19] <simplexio> pascalou: raid1 is ok
[10:21] <rosa> hi, which is the last version from cups for ubuntu 8.04?
[10:23] <rosa> nick125 i had a doubt, i got the version 1.3.7 od cups but in the aticle that you said this version is not there. what i can do? i tried to upgrade but i cant i got my version is the last one
[10:45] <pascalou> escue me it s raid 1
[10:45] <pascalou> rosa it says that there s an error with the stage1 file
[10:46] <pascalou> i tried reinstalling grub and various things
[10:46] <pascalou> i work in a cgrrot on the new system from the live cd with a modified mtab and a rebinded /dev /proc /sys
[10:58] <rosa> i remeber that i got the same problem and i did the process anyway usind (hd0) /dev/sda , etc...but i have Raid 0
[10:59] <rosa> are you installing or recovering the system?
[11:00] <rosa> i suppose is the same?
[11:02] <simplexio> pascalou: i have grub on raid1.. if i recall right you need to install grun into device not md
[11:08] <rosa> yes, in every device that you have in your raid...
[11:13] <rosa> hi nick a question...i try to follow the process to configurate cups (according the article) ..i understand libsys2.dev, cups-dev and libcups2-dev are the same?
[11:14] <rosa> if is the same, that mean my ubuntu version is the problem as I can install a newer cups version
[11:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408779 in apparmor (main) "[karmic] dhcp fails with wireless link under 2.6.31-5-generic #24" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408779
[12:14] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408795 in apache2 (main) "frequent apache crash with "*** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/apache2: double free or corruption" message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408795
[12:32] <rosa> l
[12:35] <rosa> hi, i am doing cupsaddsmb  -U root -a -v, but i got the error : session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE...somebody know about that?
[13:11] <kim0> Hi .. Can anyone please help me locate drbd-8.3 dkms deb package for hardy ?
[13:16] <pmatulis> kim0: use apt-get i guess
[13:20] <quizme> is there a way to reliable combine two sets of /etc/passwd and /etc/group files from two different machines ?
[13:22] <pmatulis> quizme: how many accounts from each machine?
[13:24] <Grim76__> ls
[13:24] <Grim76__> doh sorry wrong pane
[13:24] <andol> Grim76__: been there, done that :)
[13:25] <Grim76__> Not quite awake this morning and forgot to ctrl-a tab to my other pane in screen.
[13:26] <quizme> pmatuliz: 57 and 34
[13:26] <quizme> pmatulis: 57 and 34
[13:28] <quizme> pmatulis: 23 are in common
[13:33] <rosa> hi, i am doing cupsaddsmb  -U root -a -v, but i got the error : session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE...somebody know about that?
[13:34] <kim0> enabling the backports in Hardy .. I still only get drbd 2:8.0.11-0ubuntu3 ...
[13:37] <quizme> where are the passwords stored ?
[13:37] <quizme> i only see ascii characters in /etc/passwd
[13:50] <quizme> pmatulis: i did it manually...
[13:51] <highvoltage> quizme: /etc/shadow
[13:51] <pmatulis> quizme: i fear you have a lot of grunt work to do
[13:51] <pmatulis> quizme: you're done already?
[13:56] <quizme> pmatulis: yeah, done, but when i symbolically link /etc/passwd to /vol/etc/passwd, i'm getting an error: sudo: uid 135 does not exist in the passwd file!
[13:57] <quizme> oh fuk
[13:57] <quizme> hehe
[13:57] <quizme> i can't sudo now...
[14:23] <NorthByNorthWest> stefan__3: I get this: http://pastebin.com/d294c98a1
[14:23] <NorthByNorthWest> stefan__3: cant see anything about those ports... or vnc...
[14:24] <pmatulis> looks like you can't connect via vnc then
[14:24] <stefan__3> no vnc daemon there
[14:25] <NorthByNorthWest> so I need to apt-get install one?
[14:25] <stefan__3> so that is why
[14:25] <stefan__3> which one did you use before ?
[14:26] <NorthByNorthWest> well... I guerss there was one that came with the ubuntu server edition... cant remember that I installed one manually...
[14:27] <stefan__3> I have no knowledge of one that comes with the ubuntu server install, but I always install a CLI server ...
[14:27] <stefan__3> search on help.ubuntu.com
[14:28] <_ruben> server = cli != vnc
[14:28] <stefan__3> there should be there some info about remotely accesing your box
[14:30] <_ruben> remote access + server = ssh
[14:30] <pmatulis> _ruben: nice math lesson
[14:30] <_ruben> :)
[14:31] <Tom_Ass> =)
[14:31] <stefan__3> guys let's not put away noob users, linux needs all the users it can get, plus you can see he/she comes from a win background
[14:32] <pmatulis> NorthByNorthWest: you claimed that you accessed this server with vnc in the past
[14:32] <NorthByNorthWest> well... I find some articles on help.ubuntu.com but I dont really know which path to take... I mean... when I installed the ubuntu server edition I could rdesktop into it no problemo.... and now, I just cant... so I guess I want to install the same vnc server that comes with ubuntu server edition....
[14:32] <_ruben> NorthByNorthWest: you can only vnc into an ubuntu desktop machine, not an ubuntu server machine
[14:32] <NorthByNorthWest> pmatulis: well... I accessed it from a terminal using 'rdesktop'
[14:33] <_ruben> errr .. rdesktop is for microsoft windows remote desktop
[14:33] <stefan__3> lol
[14:33] <NorthByNorthWest> hmm... but Im suer of it...
[14:33] <NorthByNorthWest> *sure
[14:33] <_ruben> !info rdesktop
[14:34] <pmatulis> NorthByNorthWest: did you see orange/brown or blue?
[14:36] <NorthByNorthWest> perhaps I should clarify that the the machine Im trying to access is a ubuntu server within an ubuntu server, running through vbox, if that makes a difference...
[14:37] <NorthByNorthWest> gahh.... hold on...
[14:37] <NorthByNorthWest> perhaps i booted the vm the wrong way!
[14:38] <NorthByNorthWest> *preemptive blush*
[14:41] <ball> _ruben: you can VNC into an Ubuntu Server box if you install VNC server and a suitable desktop or window manager.
[14:41] <_ruben> ahhh .. a lot of virtualization products have their own builtin (graphical) remote admin interfaces, which can be based on vnc
[14:41] <_ruben> ball: that's only partially through .. server + gui != server
[14:41] <_ruben> server + gui = desktop
[14:41] <_ruben> s/through/true though/
[14:42] <_ruben> (very odd typo)
[14:42] <stefan__3> yes virtualbox has a builtin vnc server
[14:42] <stefan__3> so NorthByNorthWest check that that setting is enabled on the vbox
[14:42] <ball> _ruben: not quite ;-)
[14:42] <_ruben> quite
[14:43] <NorthByNorthWest> stefan__3: yes... im checking that...
[14:44] <ball> _ruben: have you tried it?  I'm not talking about running an X server on the console.  I think I get where you're coming from, but clearly they're not the same thing.
[14:46] <NorthByNorthWest> stefan__3: well... this is a vbox issue... although vrdp is enabled it gets disabled when I boot the vm... weird...
[14:48] <stefan__3> NorthByNorthWest: search in the search engines for that problem
[14:54] <j0nr> anyone happen to know how to construct the inner envelope of a peritrochoid?
[14:59] <pmatulis> j0nr: maybe try ##physics
[15:00] <ball> ##maths?
[15:02] <j0nr> pmatulis: cheers
[15:28] <traemccombs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/247258/   Trying to restart mysql and I get these errors
[15:30] <_ruben> seems like /etc/mysql/debian.cnf contains wrong info
[15:30] <Sam-I-Am> sounds like somehow the debian internal password got changed
[15:30] <Sam-I-Am> or that
[15:30] <sgsax> if the restart is unable to stop mysqld (line 2), it means either the daemon was never started, or the saved pid is incorrect
[15:35] <stefan__3> if the user debian-sys-maint cannot connect that is not a major issue
[15:35] <Jur> hi there
[15:35] <stefan__3> that user just does the table checks
[15:36] <sgsax> what kind of checks? (just curious)
[15:36] <Jur> i'm a uber linux noob. how can I get out of the sudo manual :p
[15:36] <stefan__3> traemccombs: you would be better off looking in the mysql error log
[15:36] <sgsax> Jur: don't quite understand your question
[15:37] <stefan__3> sgsax: table checks for integrity or something like that , can't remember, i disable that every time
[15:37] <sgsax> stefan__3: gotcha, never used it myself
[15:38] <Jur> Hi I just installed ubuntu server and now I have this cli. I ran the sudo manual but how can I exit it
[15:38] <stefan__3> sgsax: if you have a huge db. it is hell to restart it if you need to
[15:38] <sgsax> Jur: ah, "q" for quit
[15:38] <stefan__3> Jur: type   q
[15:38] <stefan__3> that should quit the man page
[15:38] <Jur> lol that's it thx
[15:39] <Jur> my 1st time on linux cli
[15:39] <_jmedina> man man
[15:40] <sgsax> Jur: welcome to linux :)
[15:41] <traemccombs> hmm
[15:42] <jmedina> I have strange behaivor changin vim modes
[15:42] <jmedina> :S
[15:42] <jmedina> when I in insert mode I can change to command using ESC, I have to type ctrl+c, that is weird
[16:00] <Daviey> meeting -->
[16:06] <traemccombs> I've opened the port with the following: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT  But for some reason it's still not listening.  I have mysql set with:  bind-address: SERVERS_IP_ADDRESS      instead of <IP_ADDRESS>   is there anything else I need?
[16:07] <Jur> lolldsf
[16:07] <Jur> lol does the cli of ubuntuserver has a screensaver
[16:07] <Jur> pretty nice
[16:16] <firecrotch> Trying to connect to a pptp vpn from my Ubuntu server, and I get the error "Failed to set PPP kernel option flags: Inappropriate ioctl for device".  Everything in teh configuration files is correct, as it was copied directly from a Kubuntu machine that can connect just fine with kvpnc
[16:17] <stefan__3> firecrotch: I tried it in ubuntu desktop , it only worked with kvpnc , never been able to make it work otherwise
[16:20] <Max007> hi
[16:21] <Max007> i'm trying to install ubuntu server 9.06 64bits on a HP ML350 G6 server. After the installation I can't get grub to show.. it says: trying to boot from hard drive...
[16:23] <firecrotch> stefan__3: Hmmm I solved it... something was trying to run /usr/bin/pptp  but pptp is located in /usr/sbin/
[16:24] <firecrotch> nice little symlink and all is well :-D
[16:26] <stefan__3> good to know firecrotch
[16:26] <stefan__3> that means that I haven't investigated enough
[16:26] <firecrotch> It also means that there's a bug in a package somewhere
[16:32] <stefan__3> Max007: are you using 9.04 ?
[16:33] <stefan__3> that worked here on a g6
[16:58]  * andol wonders if anyone has any good opionon on bug #334374 and whatever ldap-auth-config perhaps is better suited as a Recommends than as a hard Depedency to libnss-ldap?
[16:58] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 334374 in libnss-ldap "libnss-ldap should not depend on libpam-ldap" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334374
[17:00] <andol> mathiaz: Would be nice if you were one of the anybodies just refered to ^^ :)
[17:00] <Sam-I-Am> hmmmm
[17:02] <Sam-I-Am> interesting...
[17:02] <sgsax> I'm wondering what most people would use ldap for if not with pam for auth
[17:02] <andol> sgsax: User info, without the auth part?
[17:02] <Sam-I-Am> well, user info
[17:03] <Sam-I-Am> passwd, shadow, group, netgrou;
[17:03] <Sam-I-Am> bunch of stuff
[17:04] <Sam-I-Am> perhaps if theres a config tool for nss it should be more generic .. like nss-config
[17:04] <sgsax> I've been fighting with ldap for the last two weeks
[17:04] <sgsax> finally got it working
[17:04] <Sam-I-Am> then something different for authentication that would install pam modules depending on selections
[17:04] <Sam-I-Am> sgsax: its a hoot...
[17:05] <sgsax> this is for auth against AD, so doubly-fun
[17:06] <andol> sgsax: yeah, mixed enviroments can be really fun...
[17:06] <Sam-I-Am> mmm, proxy
[17:07] <Sam-I-Am> i usually get the job of ridding departments of AD
[17:11] <sgsax> I wish I could
[17:11] <sgsax> no such luck yet
[17:13] <Sam-I-Am> i'm kinda waiting to see what samba4 brings
[17:13] <Sam-I-Am> curious if ubuntu will go with heimdal over MIT kerberos
[17:13] <Sam-I-Am> since they seem to be integrating well with samba5
[17:13] <Sam-I-Am> er, 4
[17:15] <sgsax> I thought heimdal had been depricated in favor of mit
[17:16] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, didnt think so
[17:19] <sgsax> so is kerberos still the preferred auth method with ldap againast AD?
[17:22] <Sam-I-Am> i think so
[17:22] <Sam-I-Am> thats how the boxes work here before i get rid of AD
[17:22] <sgsax> there are a lot of docs out there on using winbind
[17:22] <Sam-I-Am> that might also work
[17:22] <sgsax> wasn't sure if that's where things were going
[17:23] <Sam-I-Am> although i think winbind was more of an NT-style domain thing since AD uses kerberos
[17:23] <sgsax> I had always had the impression that winbind was what people used on a small-scale
[17:23] <sgsax> ah, that would make sense
[17:23] <sgsax> I knew there was a reason why I had been staying away from it
[17:23] <andol> sgsax: Regarding kerberos, that is pretty much what AD uses för authentication.
[17:24] <sgsax> good to know
[17:24] <sgsax> and I did finally get it working
[17:24] <sgsax> we actually had it working on our gentoo boxes, which I am phasing out in favor of ubuntu
[17:24] <sgsax> but when I tried replicating the configs on ubuntu, it took a while to get it all sorted out
[17:25] <sgsax> the versions of nss-ldap and pam-ldap are only a couple revs newer on jaunty
[17:25] <sgsax> I think part of my problem may have also been an unhealty AD
[17:25] <Sam-I-Am> theres also nss-ldapd :)
[17:26] <Sam-I-Am> which... has its own issues
[17:26] <Sam-I-Am> tempting to try nssov from openldap at some point
[17:26] <sgsax> yeah, we still need AD, unfortunately
[17:26] <sgsax> until samba can do GPOs...
[17:27] <sgsax> which are really the only redeeming feature of AD
[17:27] <Sam-I-Am> yes, quite
[17:28] <Sam-I-Am> once i nuke AD in this environment, i'm going to toss samba4 into the testbed and see what i can make it do
[17:28] <Sam-I-Am> which brings up the mit/heimdal question again
[17:28] <Sam-I-Am> and then there's the issue with which security suite will everything use
[17:28] <sgsax> what do you do for print services?
[17:28] <Sam-I-Am> samba/cups
[17:29] <sgsax> I've ended up with a dual solution: samba/cups for linux desktops, Windows printing for Windows desktops
[17:29] <Sam-I-Am> debian/ubuntu seem to like gnutls over openssl... frankly i think gnutls is broken... and then there's mozilla/netscape
[17:29] <sgsax> cups wasn't quite good enough for my Windows users
[17:29] <Sam-I-Am> cups can be a little rough... but very little printing happens here
[17:29] <Sam-I-Am> its mainly centralized auth and file storage
[17:30] <sgsax> I work in a CS dept at a uni
[17:30] <sgsax> got users who need to print
[17:31] <sgsax> we used to impose quotas and have students pay for going over, but got our hands slapped by the auditor
[17:32] <Sam-I-Am> oh, print quotas are messy
[17:32] <Sam-I-Am> i did that once
[17:32] <Sam-I-Am> wound up hacking something to make it work... been quite a few years now
[17:32] <sgsax> while there are some decent tools for print quotas on Windows, there's little to nothing for *nix
[17:32] <sgsax> our solution was homegrown
[17:33] <sgsax> now I just have to keep them running
[17:35] <Sam-I-Am> printing isnt big here, but i usually have other interesting things to integrate... like RSA tokens
[17:35] <sgsax> nice
[17:35] <Sam-I-Am> and unfortunately most of that software only runs on windows, has vague/limited ldap support, and the tech support folks are sub par
[17:36] <Sam-I-Am> this particularly company is very difficult to get answers out of... even with a fat support contract.
[17:37] <sgsax> sounds typical
[17:37] <sgsax> salesmen make a great pitch to the PHB
[17:37] <sgsax> the admins get stuck making it work with little or no help from vendor support
[17:38] <Sam-I-Am> i was fairly surprised to see this package even supporting ldapv3
[17:39] <Sam-I-Am> it also does SSL, but not starttls... which is irritating.
[17:39] <Sam-I-Am> it also doesn't understand groups in ldap... of any sort.
[17:40] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: hi sam
[17:40] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: what package?
[17:40] <sgsax> that sucks
[17:41] <sgsax> groups was my last big battle with ldap
[17:41] <Sam-I-Am> actividentity 4tress
[17:41] <Sam-I-Am> jmedina: howdy
[17:41] <sgsax> was only getting about half of them  pulled down, and even not all of those were correctly populated
[17:42] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: just lurking
[17:42] <Sam-I-Am> this just doesnt do it at all... in order to consider someone authorized to access something via the token, it wants to see a certain attribute for each user
[17:42] <Sam-I-Am> so i have to do something like employeeType = netadmin
[17:42] <sgsax> did you have to extend the AD schema?
[17:42] <jmedina> ja
[17:43] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not using the AD schema
[17:43] <jmedina> I hate when ldap apps requiere extra attributes instead of using groups
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> cisco acs is another problem
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> it doesnt even support a user database outside of itself... but it will read passwords from ldap
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> kinda hurts the whole idea of centralized management
[17:49] <dennda> Is mod_python installed per default on ubuntu server?
[17:49] <jmedina> damn, I dont know what happened to vim :S
[17:49] <jmedina> dennda: afaik no
[17:49] <jmedina> only built-in m odules
[17:51] <sgsax> we just got a new contract for copiers
[17:51] <sgsax> turns out they can do ldap lookups, but not for auth-ing users, just for looking up email addresses
[17:59] <Sam-I-Am> sgsax: been there
[17:59]  * jmedina uses minolta copies with ldap
[17:59] <Sam-I-Am> sgsax: i had to manage those separately using *gasp* access
[17:59] <Sam-I-Am> and of course it couldnt dump its logs over ethernet... i had to go around with a laptop and a usb cable
[18:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408948 in samba (main) "winxp discovery fail when machine name truncated at 15 chars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408948
[19:22] <bobg> i have jaunty running in a xen VM with the linux-virtual kernel. When I run "sudo update-grub" I get a "Segmentation fault". Any suggestions on how I can fix this?
[19:38] <bobg> i have tracked down my update-grup "segementation fault" to "exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-grub" -- frontend is a perl script
[19:55] <bobg> any perl script fails when it includes "use Debconf::Db;"
[19:58] <bobg> rebooting seems to have fixed my problem
[20:36] <heath|work> every time I log into my JeOS 9.04 servers I am prompted for [sudo] , I wouldn't care because I always sudo -i after, but now I need scp and it won't let me
[20:40] <sgsax> define "it won't let me"
[20:42] <heath|work> after the scp stuff.tar.gz server:/path I enter the connecting password, then I am prompted for [sudo]:  When I type for the sudo command it is echoed back to me, but doesn't take
[20:43] <heath|work> sudo command => sudo password
[20:43] <heath|work> Is there  a way I can find out what is running that is requiring the sudo?
[20:44] <sgsax> so you are trying to do "sudo scp something somehwere:/foo"
[20:44] <sgsax> right?
[20:45] <heath|work> no... I know this is confusing, so sorry. Scrape the scp , I need to figure out why I am being requested to sudo right after I login
[20:45] <sgsax> that does sound odd
[20:46] <sgsax> I'm not familiar with the details of jeos
[20:46] <sgsax> but I wouldn't expect they're doing anything to off-the-wall with it
[20:46] <sgsax> it's intended to just be an ubuntu appliance, right?
[20:47] <heath|work> well, I think it may have to do with the first login or first run scripts, but I can't figure out how to see what script is requiring the sudo
[20:47] <heath|work> yeah, just an appliance
[20:47] <sgsax> if you can login to it, look at .profile .bashrc .login .bash_profile
[20:47] <sgsax> then see if any of them source a system-wide config somewhere
[20:50] <heath|work> will do thanks
[22:28] <chrislabeard> is there anyway to get your server to text you without using a gsm modem ?
[22:33] <lukehasnoname> http://www.zeepmobile.com/
[22:33] <lukehasnoname> Maybe?
[22:33] <Sam-I-Am> chrislabeard: some services allow TAP dialing into their systems
[22:33] <Sam-I-Am> dial in with a modem, send text, disconnect
[22:33] <chrislabeard> oh okay
[22:34] <chrislabeard> i thought you can send txts with regular old internet connection
[22:34] <Sam-I-Am> you can too
[22:34] <Sam-I-Am> depends if you want to send texts regarding your internet connection outage :)
[22:35] <chrislabeard> Its not too big of a deal i just wanted to mess around with it
[22:47] <sgsax> chrislabeard: if your cell carrier has an email gateway, you can just have your server send email to it
[22:47] <chrislabeard> yeah
[22:50] <chrislabeard> does this website look generic to you guys http://longhornpcrepair.com
[22:54] <sarthor> Hi, i used shaper for bandwith controlling, i wrote 255 files for the whole subnet, and were then located in /etc/shpaer/, not in 9.04 the pakage is changed a bit, its now shaperd, How to configure shaperd now? will that already 255 configured files will work with this shapred also??
[22:58] <lukehasnoname> chrislabeard, what's with the latin
[23:02] <sgsax> lukehasnoname: it's semi-random filler text
[23:02] <sgsax> google the first couple of words and you'll get the whole history of typesetting
[23:04] <lukehasnoname> mhm
[23:04] <lukehasnoname> San Antonio resident here, btw
[23:23] <sarthor> Hi, i used shaper for bandwith controlling, i wrote 255 files for the whole subnet, and were then located in /etc/shpaer/, not in 9.04 the pakage is changed a bit, its now shaperd, How to configure shaperd now? will that already 255 configured files will work with this shapred also??
[23:54] <sarthor> Hi, i used shaper for bandwith controlling, i wrote 255 files for the whole subnet, and were then located in /etc/shpaer/, not in 9.04 the pakage is changed a bit, its now shaperd, How to configure shaperd now? will that already 255 configured files will work with this shapred also??
[23:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #409093 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zur?ck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409093


[01:53] <j1mc_away> CarlFK: yeah, just saying 'four' would make sense to me, too. (if that's what you're suggesting...)
[22:00] <mdke> j1mc: 20:00 UTC on Sunday?
[22:00] <j1mc> mdke: how did you guess?
[22:01] <j1mc> i was just getting ready to send out an email and put stuff up on the wiki
[22:01] <mdke> ah, cool
[22:01]  * mdke clicks "Discard"
[22:01] <j1mc> yeah, that time seemed to work best for most of the 'usual suspects'
[22:02] <mdke> 7/8 on the poll; and it looks like the 1/8 is a duplicate
[22:02] <j1mc> ah, nice
[22:03] <j1mc> i emailed jeremy bicha to see if that time worked for him, but figured that it would be better to get the time on ppl's calendars rather than wait much longer.
[22:03] <j1mc> i hope he can make it
[22:03] <mdke> yeah
[22:03] <mdke> he has quite odd sleeping patterns iirc
[22:03] <mdke> ;)
[22:03] <j1mc> :)
[22:04] <mdke> to change the subject slightly
[22:04] <mdke> are there any packagers interested in documentation that you know of?
[22:04] <mdke> I used to rely on LaserJock for packaging help but he isn't active anymore
[22:05] <j1mc> yeah... i am interested in learning it. i know of some people in my loco team who are good with packaging, but they only have a passing interest in docs.
[22:05] <j1mc> even nixternal (rich johnson) isn't around much these days.
[22:06] <mdke> I haven't had any response to my call for help, and it is blocking a first upload to oneiric of ubuntu-docs
[22:06] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033227.html
[22:06] <mdke> if you have any ideas, let me know!
[22:07] <j1mc> i could bug micah gersten (micahg) about it. he does a lot of mozilla packaging.
[22:07] <j1mc> he's from chicago, too.
[22:08] <mdke> if he is willing, that would be awesome. Actually he was asking me last release about the homepage for another browser
[22:09] <j1mc> ah, ok. i just send him a note on irc, so we'll see what he says. if he can't help, i asked if he could point me to someone who could help
[22:10] <mdke> thanks dude
[22:11] <mdke> I had a look through your draft strategy document, it looks pretty solid
[22:11] <mdke> thanks for working on that
[22:11] <j1mc> ah, cool. thanks.
[22:11] <j1mc> more still to do on it.
[22:12] <mdke> i guess we can chat through it at the meeting
[22:12] <j1mc> even if nobody pushed to it, i wanted it at least to be out in the open. yep, i'm sure we can talk more about it at the meeting.
[22:12] <mdke> take it section by section
[22:13] <mdke> but I didn't really have any immediate comments as I was skimming it
[22:14] <j1mc> you mean you have better things to do???  ;)
[22:15] <mdke> no, honestly I thought it was good and couldn't really improve on it
[22:16] <j1mc> coolness
[22:22] <mdke> man we have a lot of wiki pages
[22:22] <mdke> we need to try and cut the volume of material down I think
[22:22] <mdke> (in the team pages)
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> mdke; Really? I've only seen a few
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> Cut volume down in team pages? What do you mean by that?
[22:23] <j1mc> mdke: yeah... there's a lot of cruft
[22:23] <mdke> MrChrisDruif: I mean that we have too many wiki pages for our team
[22:23] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ... look at the bottom of the page
[22:24] <j1mc> look at all of the subpages
[22:24] <mdke> we have like 70 pages
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Wow..
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Btw ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam?action=LocalSiteMap
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm not sure it makes a good overview <_<"
[22:25] <j1mc> thanks, MrChrisDruif ... that's helpful
[22:25] <mdke> that doesn't seem to show them all though, there are way more
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> Well...not really actually...second time I've noticed the localsitemap function isn't functioning properly
[22:25] <mdke> see the right hand column on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/X
[22:40]  * mdke prunes
[22:44] <j1mc> :)
[22:46] <mdke> j1mc: how did the word "guide" get put into the title of the new gnome-help, do you know? It seems a bit out of place
[22:47]  * j1mc looks quizzically (sp?) ... i'm not sure what you mean.
[22:48] <mdke> it's called "Gnome Desktop Guide" right
[22:48] <mdke> or "Ubuntu Desktop Guide" in ours
[22:48] <mdke> but it isn't a guide at all, "guide" seems to imply one long linear document
[22:48] <mdke> I just wondered if it was discussed
[22:49] <j1mc> good point
[22:49] <j1mc> i think it was just how we referred to it
[22:49] <mdke> I think it was called that before as well, maybe it got carried over
[22:50] <mdke> how about we rename ours to "Ubuntu Help" in the next release?
[22:52] <j1mc> something like that would be ok, yeah. I still like how 'guide' sounds, but you're right in that it's not linear.
[22:53] <j1mc> to me, Ubuntu Help is too brief
[22:54] <j1mc> 'ubuntu help compendium' :)
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Compendium? "This non-native user goes to find what it means :P"
[23:00] <mdke> Ubuntu Desktop Help
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...seems pretty to be spot on actually
[23:01] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: i was joking about compendium.  :) it is accurate, but too serious, me thinks.  :)
[23:01]  * MrChrisDruif learns more works daily
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> words*
[23:01] <j1mc> :)
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Well, we might want to start to show a little more "professionalism" towards new users...I don't know..
[23:02] <j1mc> mdke: Ubuntu Help might be ok. We'll eventually want to have a different set of help on the web, too, so... using the word desktop might be confusing in that context. ?? it's up for discussion, anyway.
[23:03] <j1mc> calling it desktop help might be good, though... we could have separate 'ubuntu server help'
[23:03] <j1mc> nhandler: howdy
[23:03] <mdke> it works for me
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but you might want to run certain "server" apps on your "desktop"
[23:04] <mdke> see if it works for upstream
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Where would you put those, if you don't want to duplicate data?
[23:04] <mdke> in the server help
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Or would you refer to the server help?
[23:04] <nhandler> Hi j1mc
[23:06] <mdke> ok, I'm signing off, catch you all soon
[23:06] <j1mc> g'nite mdke
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> Later mdke


[17:35] <mat_t> Hi everyone
[17:35] <mat_t> Just want to say thanks and congratulations for the great release :)
[17:36]  * mat_t is a bit tired but very happy
[20:41] <thorwil> i thought with the pixmap engine, the pixel counts in "border" are used to specify the part of the image that won't be stretched?
[21:52] <nemo> Say. Why does the Humanity theme have 5 separate svgs for, say, start-here.svg - isn't the whole point of SVG so that you don't have to do that?
[21:52] <nemo> even if it is to offer slightly better rendering at different levels, seems surely all 5 resolutions don't need that...
[21:54] <andreasn> it does need those different sizes. What is the issue here? size?
[21:55] <andreasn> as in size on hard drive
[22:00] <nemo> just seemed odd is all
[22:01] <nemo> space isn't a huge concern
[22:01] <nemo> well. I guess on some devices, but not mine
[22:01] <nemo> noticed it as I was trying to pin down the various formats and directory paths to ensure that the start-here icon always had a 16x16 size available
[22:02] <nemo> (was trying to reduce size of my top nav for small display)
[22:02] <nemo> my .icons dir is now a mess of symlinks :)
[22:07] <nemo> s/always had a 16x16 size available/always used a 16x16 size/
[22:13] <andreasn> yup, lots of files :)
[22:18] <nemo> I'm going to have to do a writeup for reducing space / size of top menu. seems to keep coming up on the forums
[22:19] <andreasn> the panel?
[22:20] <nemo> gnome-panel aye
[22:21] <andreasn> hm, maybe it would look nice with smaller icons there
[22:21] <nemo> right now I have start-here forcibly shrunk to 16x16, and gnome-panel translation for Applications/Places/System changed to "<zerowidthspace"/"Loc"/"Sys"
[22:21] <nemo> start-here is the only icon that prevents the top panel from going below 20px
[22:21] <nemo> er
[22:21] <nemo> 24px
[22:21] <nemo> on a small screen, those 4px are useful
[22:29] <nemo> andreasn: http://m8y.org/tmp/Screenshot.jpeg
[22:29] <nemo> also narrowed up buttons and scrollbars
[22:31] <andreasn> you'll gain a a couple of more pixels if you use, hm, what is it now again "button_size = 16" or something like that in your gtkrc-file
[22:32] <nemo> just shut down laptop, but I'll check later. I shrank a bunch of stuff in gtkrc/metacity
[22:32] <nemo> anyway. time to go home. was just puzzled about all the repeated SVG files - even for 48 vs 64, seemed odd given the point of SVG was for making things scalable at different sizes