[00:02] <RangerMan> are all the buntu's set to come out at the same time ? (X/K/L)
[00:03] <bazhang> yes
[00:03] <charlie-tca> ues
[00:03] <rww> ja
[00:03] <RangerMan> ah.  So around the 12th ?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> typo
[00:04] <bazhang> 13th yeah
[00:07] <RangerMan> I suppose there's no use in going XP -> Somebuntu now then just to have to do it all over.
[00:21] <freedom07> rangerman if you mean duel boot with xp, you shouldnt have to re-install xp
[00:21] <RangerMan> freedom07: Nah, XP is old so I think I'm going to just replace it.
[00:21] <freedom07> ok
[00:22] <RangerMan> freedom07: I'm tired of hearing "OMG, u runz XPz still?!"
[00:23] <freedom07> lol dont tell em
[00:25] <RangerMan> Well, I moved all the Steamapps over to my other machine since it's 'more beefy'
[00:25] <RangerMan> and put Windows7 on it
[00:25] <RangerMan> so.. no real reason for me to keep this one in XP
[00:26] <mhall119> hmmmm, I seem to have screwed up my Unity configs
[00:26] <freedom07> i keep XP partion just cos wife bought an ipod a while back, and for etax aplication, mainly logged into lubuntu
[00:27] <Meshezabeel> why was the 13th specifically chosen for the release as opposed to any other day?
[00:27] <mhall119> nvm, got it back
[00:28] <mhall119> Meshezabeel: release is traditionally on a thursday
[00:28] <Meshezabeel> okay, didn't the release dates used to be closer to the end of the month?
[00:29] <mhall119> Meshezabeel: yeah, but for 10.10 they bumpted it all the way up to the 10th
[00:29] <Meshezabeel> okay, thanks :)
[00:30] <mhall119> Meshezabeel: there was a discussion a year or so back showing that, due to winter holidays and such, there was actually significantly less time in the *.04 release cycles than in the *.10 release cycles
[00:30] <mhall119> so maybe early-month *.10 releases will be the new normal
[00:31] <Meshezabeel> okay, I actually like it better earlier too (for psychological reasons), because when you hear it is going to be released in October, it is a lot harder to wait until the end of October. :p
[00:34] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[00:34] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to MSN through Pidgin and Empathy?
[00:35] <Meshezabeel> Daekdroom: no
[00:37] <Meshezabeel> Daekdroom: or, if you mean specifically in 11.10, then I cannot tell you either way
[00:38] <mhall119> does the CCSM Unity plugin no longer control Unity?
[00:38]  * mhall119 assumes is has something to do with gconf->gsettings move
[01:25] <min|dvir|us> Hi. I set a value in /etc/environment. I see it as a non-root user but not as root.
[01:28] <rdewit_> hi, hoping to find a solution to my problem here: my top panel's theme is broken and I can't get it back to ambiance. Even setting the GTK theme with gnome-tweak-tool does not have any effect. Removing all /apps/panel settings doesn't seem to work either. unity --reset doesn't reset the top panel either. Something seems really broken.
[01:28] <rdewit_> any way to reset the top panel?
[01:29] <jbicha> rdewit_: did you try logging out and back in?
[01:29] <jbicha> rdewit_: are you talking about GNOME Fallback?
[01:29] <min|dvir|us> jbicha: he said 'unity --reset'.
[01:30] <rdewit_> jbicha, i'm using unity (standard). yeah. can do another reboot, but when i removed the gconf settings i did it in another terminal whilst logged out from unity
[01:31] <rdewit_> and i know it's my settings somehow being broken, since a newly created user doesn't have the problem (and setting the gtk theme in the 'advanced settings' just works.
[01:31] <jbicha> rdewit_: the theme is mostly if not entirely set in gsettings now
[01:31] <rdewit_> but not with my migrated settings from 11.04 to 11.10. It used to work but between some updates things fell over. I'm really curious where the settings for the top panel are stored.
[01:32] <min|dvir|us> rdewit_: try going into ccsm and resetting to default profile.
[01:33] <min|dvir|us> How do I set an environment variable for root?
[01:37] <min|dvir|us> Nobody has any idea?
[01:39] <dooglus> are there any 'dark' themes for GTK3?  I like light text on a dark background.
[01:42] <Andy80> anyone of you is having this strange bug: I've upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 on my Asus EeePC 1005 and using image viewer to view images the touchpad stops working... I had to use the keyboard to reboot the system...
[01:44]  * rdewit_ is back. ccsm killed my session and therefore my chat. using irssi now...
[01:46] <min|dvir|us> How do I set an environment variable for root?
[01:47] <rdewit_> so, now after running ccsm and having it killed my session, i'm back to where i was a few days ago: unity doesn't run and I only have nautilus running.
[01:47] <min|dvir|us> rdewit_: ppa-purge xorg-edgers
[01:48] <min|dvir|us> Wait, a fresh account works fine?
[01:48] <rdewit_> yeah, fresh account is just fine
[01:48] <rdewit_> i've had gnome data setting converter crash many a times in the past few days
[01:48] <rdewit_> i think something went wrong there
[01:49] <rdewit_> but top panel is gtk and shared by gnome (i've also got gnome3 installed)
[01:49] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables min|dvir|us
[01:49] <min|dvir|us> bazhang: it sets for non-root user, but doesn't work for root.
[01:50] <min|dvir|us> Hmm, nevermind.
[01:51] <rdewit_> min|dvir|us: unity is really broken now, but unity-2d works (but still with broken top panel)
[01:52] <min|dvir|us> rdewit_: consider removing .gconf .gconfd .gnome .gnome2 .nautilus and whatever else is GNOMEy.
[01:52] <rdewit_> min|dvir|us: yeah, did that, but can try it again. it had no effect on the top panel. at all.
[01:53] <min|dvir|us> Also .config/{things,go,here}.
[01:54] <rdewit_> min|dvir|us: any specifics in there that could cause it? i've got many settings built up over the years, and would hate to lose them if not necessary
[01:55] <min|dvir|us> compiz-1.
[01:56] <min|dvir|us> Delete all hidden directories from your account present in the fresh account.
[01:56] <rdewit_> min|dvir|us: that makes sense. I'll rename those and see what happens.
[02:01] <DanaG> weird, somehow I have a compiz profile named "" (empty string), and another named:
[02:02] <DanaG> ��
[02:02] <DanaG> Yes, garbage.
[02:02] <DanaG> And I've lost Unity.
[02:03] <min|dvir|us> DanaG: make a fresh account. Does it work?
[02:04] <DanaG> Well, I haven't tried a whole new account, but I've tried removing compiz-1 dir.
[02:04] <DanaG> That works, until it breaks again.
[02:04] <min|dvir|us> So make a new account.
[02:05] <min|dvir|us> If you don't, you'll never know if it's your settings or a broken package.
[02:05] <DanaG> ��
[02:05] <DanaG> er
[02:05] <min|dvir|us> I know for a fact there is a bug that causes this.
[02:05] <DanaG> Traceback (most recent call last):    File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 253, in ParseSettings        plugin.Update ()
[02:05] <DanaG>   File "compizconfig.pyx", line 783, in compizconfig.Plugin.Update (src/compizconfig.c:5765)              File "compizconfig.pyx", line 870, in compizconfig.Plugin.ApplyStringExtensions (src/compizconfig.c:6780)   KeyError: '\xc0\x9d\xc3\x01'
[02:06] <min|dvir|us> OK, looks like you got things figured out. Good luck.
[02:06] <DanaG> well, I'm installing updates now.
[02:06] <DanaG> Or I think I am.
[02:06] <DanaG> Update-manager died, but aptd is going.
[02:07] <rdewit_> DanaG: updates prob won't help. I just noticed i have similar garbage
[02:07] <min|dvir|us> You can log in to multiple accounts at once.
[02:07] <min|dvir|us> The garbage is irrelevant, most likely.
[02:07] <min|dvir|us> DanaG: make a fresh account.
[02:08] <rdewit_> min|dvir|us: do you happen to recall the bug #?
[02:09] <min|dvir|us> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/utouch-geis/+bug/857552
[02:09] <min|dvir|us> This bug affects users with xorg-edgers PPA.
[02:09] <min|dvir|us> If your unity --reset output has 'geis' in it, this bug affects you, most likely.
[02:13] <DanaG> I did recursive-unset on gconf tree related to compiz.
[02:13] <DanaG> Now I have it back, for now.
[02:14] <DanaG> har, with correct DPI settings, the default fonts are huge.
[02:14] <DanaG> But by default, the X server LIES about screen size, on purpose.
[02:16] <bazhang> !find remastersys
[02:17]  * rdewit_ is one step closer: it looks like the top panel settings are either in .local, .cache or .compiz-1. Any interest in me investigating further for future reference?
[02:18] <DanaG> also check gconf?
[02:19] <rdewit_> DanaG: if your question was for me: no, none of the gconf settings seemed to make a difference. My top panel had a wrong style and i could not change it back by any means. It's ok after renaming those 3 dirs. I'll find which one it was.
[02:20] <DanaG> hmm, is it possible to make the new alt-tab always go through all windows?
[02:22] <DanaG> Alternately, if I set it to super+tab instead of alt-tab, it still shows the dash if I hit super-tab quickly.
[02:23] <graingert> did the shadows used to be re-size targets?
[02:23] <graingert> on windows in 11.04
[02:26] <DanaG> Ooh, that's a nice improvement over the old 1-pixel (that's dang small) resize target!
[02:29] <graingert> DanaG: it was in 11.04
[02:29] <graingert> but not in 11.10
[02:29] <graingert> it was great
[02:30] <DanaG> Yeah, the old static switcher doesn't look as spiffy as the new one.
[02:30] <DanaG> But the new one acts oddly... too much like the things I dislike about Mac.
[02:30] <DanaG> And if you put it on super, it acts inconsistently.
[02:30] <DanaG> super-tab once, quickly... flips window and opens the dash.
[02:31] <DanaG> super, hold, tab... gives the switcher.
[02:32] <DanaG> "automatically grid windows on timer"... timer needs to be configurable.
[02:33] <graingert> you mean alt+tab
[02:33] <graingert> super tab does nothing on default settings
[02:33] <DanaG> no, I mean, if you assign it to super instead.
[02:33] <DanaG> And super+w does "scale" AND shows the dash.
[02:33] <DanaG> Try it, quickly.  super-w.  super-w.
[02:34] <DanaG> release the super key after each try.
[02:35] <graingert> oh you'll need to assign dock to something else
[02:36] <DanaG> well, it really should realize I've hit something else, and not still show the dash.
[02:36] <DanaG> It should be able to see: super down, super up.  Show dash.
[02:37] <DanaG> Super down.  something else down, up.  Super up.  NO dash.
[02:43] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/871084
[02:44] <graingert> anyone know how to install adobeair:i386 in ubuntu 11.10
[02:58] <graingert> bjsnider: installing libasound2:i386 does not conflict with libasound2
[03:01] <bjsnider> graingert, interesting that it says pre-depends: multiarch-support
[03:01] <bjsnider> i'm not a multiarch expert at this point
[03:02] <graingert> bjsnider: I don't think anyone is
[03:02] <graingert> bjsnider: I added my comment to bug 854196
[03:02] <bjsnider> slangasek is, for one
[03:02] <bjsnider> but he's an expert on everything
[03:02] <graingert> !later tell slangasek helloo
[03:02] <graingert> :9
[03:03] <chroot> #ubuntu send me here
[03:03] <chroot> i want to ask a small question
[03:03] <bjsnider> graingert, it appears to me to be a bit of a mess at this point, but i definitely could be wrong
[03:03] <graingert> !question | chroot
[03:04] <chroot> ok
[03:04] <chroot> will 11.10 still use utility desktop environment
[03:05] <graingert> chroot: nope
[03:05] <graingert> chroot: and 11.04 didn't use that either
[03:05] <chroot> what, impossble ,
[03:05] <chroot> kde?
[03:05] <bjsnider> never heard of it
[03:05] <bazhang> chroot, unity NOT utility
[03:06] <graingert> bazhang: OHHH
[03:06] <bazhang> chroot, I've told you this before
[03:06] <graingert> yeah why didn't I see that before? (Trollface.jpg)
[03:06] <chroot> unity
[03:06] <chroot> i remember it
[03:08] <chroot> so , what will the desktop evn in 11.10
[03:08] <bazhang> chroot, unity gnome-shell and others
[03:09] <chroot> wow, so many
[03:09] <graingert> chroot: unity by default
[03:10] <Dougie187> So, has anyone else had any issues with the unity dock being unresponsive or the launcher command (Super by default) being unresponsive as well?
[03:12] <chroot> hey, and i want to see the source code of getpass(3)  in ubuntu, but i can't find the src
[03:12] <chroot> how
[03:16] <graingert> chroot:  This function is obsolete.  Do not use it.
[03:17] <graingert> chroot: try ##c
[03:17] <chroot> graingert, u mean join ##c chanel
[03:17] <chroot> ?
[03:17] <graingert> chroot: try #freenode
[03:18] <chroot> ok
[03:20] <chroot> graingert, ##c is wrong
[03:20] <graingert> chroot: seems fine to me
[03:20] <chroot> impossible
[03:21] <graingert> chroot: you're not even there?
[03:21] <chroot> where
[03:21] <graingert> so how can you know if they are wrong
[03:21] <graingert> ##c
[03:21] <chroot> graingert, i type "/join ##c"
[03:21] <chroot> but nothing appear
[03:22] <chroot> ##c
[03:22] <Dougie187> what is your client?
[03:22] <chroot> xchat
[03:22] <graingert> try #c and you should get fwded
[03:23] <chroot> the same
[03:23] <chroot> what is your client?
[03:23] <Dougie187> It works for me, in pidgin
[03:23] <Dougie187> fyi
[03:24] <chroot> whatever , do u know how to get the source code of getpass(3)?
[03:25] <graingert> !patience | chroot
[03:26] <graingert> chroot: try unistd.h
[03:26] <Dougie187> chroot: is it a package?
[03:27] <chroot> unistd.h just a .h file
[03:27] <chroot> Dougie187, is a program in all linux
[03:28] <Dougie187> I meant, is it in a package. but you are saying it's just part of the kernel? so, why not get the kernel source?
[03:28] <graingert> getpass is a function defined in unistd.h
[03:29] <Dougie187> brb, I have to figure out how to eject an sdcard.....
[03:29] <Dougie187> :(
[03:30] <chroot> graingert, yes you are right , but it just a defination of getpass
[03:32] <graingert> chroot: the guys in ##c will tell you
[03:32] <graingert> if you can't get there use the web interface
[03:32] <graingert> to freenode
[03:32] <graingert> or ask in freenode why you can't access ther
[03:32] <graingert> there*
[03:32] <graingert> presumably you got banned
[03:33] <chroot> ok
[03:34] <graingert> you're probably looking for libc
[03:34] <chroot> i am installing pigin ,
[03:35] <graingert> chroot: you probably want the web interface
[03:35] <graingert> pidgin is fairly difficult to use with IRC
[03:35] <graingert> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[03:35] <chroot> ok , how web interface
[03:36] <bjsnider> graingert, i think you're wasting your time
[03:37] <graingert> chroot: try these guys: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-do-i-shot-web they seem to know what they are doing
[03:37] <chroot> graingert, it worked
[03:37] <chroot> thank you
[03:37] <graingert> awesome!
[03:37] <graingert> bjsnider: see
[03:37] <graingert> and I only had to resort to trolling 3 times
[03:38] <bjsnider> think of all the things you could have done with that time instead
[03:38] <Dougie187> ok, so now I need to figure out how to get my sdcard reader to work.
[03:38] <Dougie187> anyone have any tips?
[03:38] <graingert> bjsnider: I'm out of new content on google-reader
[03:38] <graingert> I have nothing left to do
[03:39] <bjsnider> you could have gotten a few pages into a really good book, like "fear and loathing in las vegas"
[03:39] <graingert> chroot: it might be somewhere in http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=master
[03:41] <graingert> chroot: tadah!
[03:41] <graingert> http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob_plain;f=misc/getpass.c;hb=master
[03:41] <graingert> I hope you have your bitcoins ready
[03:42] <Dougie187> lol
[03:42] <graingert> I'm liking "/* Tricky, tricky. */"
[03:42] <graingert> and
[03:42] <graingert>     /* We opened the terminal; now close it.  */
[03:42] <graingert> chroot: that had better not been your homework
[03:43] <graingert> chroot: 16epLSMTMcxrtvUkHL1U9ndz5wff61xeLA
[03:44] <chroot> no, that not , i am learning advanced program in unix env  my self, and i  saw the getpass , i just want to see it
[03:44] <graingert> chroot: I see
[03:44] <graingert> chroot:
[03:44] <chroot> what
[03:45] <graingert> I accidently pressed enter
[03:45] <graingert> before typing my message
[03:45] <bjsnider> graingert, at least it's commented
[03:46] <chroot> bye
[03:46] <chroot> i am hungry
[03:46] <chroot> thank you , glad to talk with u
[03:57] <graingert> np
[05:25] <dylan-m> Does anyone else have an entry for XTerm and UXTerm in the dash right now?
[05:27] <jbicha> dylan-m: yes, it's there by default
[05:28] <jbicha> bug 129041
[05:28] <dylan-m> jbicha: Okay, thanks for the clarification. Do you know if there's a particular reason? I know we had xterm before, but I weirdly don't remember it having an entry here. Seems pretty heavy to have three terminal apps in our little applications list :/
[05:29] <dylan-m> I guess my memory is just failing, then. Thank you for the direction!
[05:31] <jbicha> dylan-m: showing the icons by default is new to 11.10; I don't like it but I need to convince the right people :)
[05:32] <dylan-m> Ah, I see that now that I'm reading. Grr, this'll probably end up on the released iso either way :(
[05:34] <jbicha> yeah, it's not a good idea to change it now but it can be looked at for 12.04
[05:34] <jbicha> it's like a 2-line change but still...
[05:51] <raju> how can i know the releasing of development versions for testing , i mean now 11.10 ready to release , so when 12.04 will be released for testing ?
[05:52] <dylan-m> raju: The schedule for 12.04 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[05:52] <jbicha> !releases
[05:52] <raju> dylan-m thanks i will make a look
[05:53] <dylan-m> raju: If you want to help out right away, it'll make sense to hop on when the first alpha comes out, which is December 1st.
[05:55] <raju> dylan-m,  yes man i wanna
[05:57] <raju> dylan-m,  whats that developer summit ? I mean whats the working going to be done ? is it for development of applications of 12.04
[06:01] <dylan-m> raju: That's where lots of people get together and plan out what to do for the next six months, then there's a little unwritten gap after that where everyone recovers from the thing. That kind of development discussion usually happens on the mailing lists at lists.ubuntu.com, and various IRC rooms. Lots of people post about development type stuff on planet.ubuntu.com as well :)
[06:03] <raju> now i got it , what are things to be include , how it would be, everything right ?
[06:03] <raju> dylan-m, ^^
[06:11] <dylan-m> raju: Yeah, that's pretty much it. You can participate in UDS remotely, too: there's an audio feed out of all the rooms and an IRC channel for each one, too. You might learn some interesting stuff! There'll be something about that on Planet Ubuntu in the coming weeks (and you can always check out summit.ubuntu.com).
[06:11] <dylan-m> raju: So, err, all kinds of stuff going on. I couldn't possibly tell you all of it (or much of it, even), but hopefully that'll give you some ideas. Good luck!
[06:12] <raju> dylan-m,  This is great man , thank you man
[07:16] <ripper003> looking to run thunderbird as a background process so on startup I get any new mail notifications I might have?
[07:18] <ripper003> awkward :-(
[07:58] <sagaci> should one use reportbug or apport-bug to report bugs
[08:19] <jussi> anyone on oneiric want to confirm that supertuxkart / supertux dont start?
[08:54] <iceroot> jussi: error-messages when starting from shell?
[08:55] <jussi> iceroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/704784/
[08:57] <maxb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames   <--- page does not exists?!
[08:57] <maxb> * exist
[08:57] <iceroot> jussi: i will try it here on my system
[08:58] <maxb> Moin appears to believe it has been deleted, but I don't see the usual deletion marker in the source
[09:03] <iceroot> jussi: after downloading "supertux" i can run it fine by typing "supertux2" with the latest 11.10 release
[09:04] <l00pb4ck> hi, how do i autologin to gnome3 instead of unity?
[09:06] <GirlyGirl> Ok ... So  have a Kubuntu Oneric Beta 2 test machine ... its running fine. Now on natty unity never worked for me ... something was always not working right ... either only a desktop wallpaper is present themes get messed up etc ... Is unity on oneric mature now?
[09:06] <clad> Hi, I can't seem to be able to refresh the repositories or install anything. Trying to refresh, everything repo gets to "100%" but the installer get stuck a long time to "downloading" then give up and get back to the updater saying "Package information was updated X days ago"
[09:07] <clad> And trying to install something get me stuck to "downloading package" with actually nothing happening (the field where all the progress indicator was stay blank and empty)
[09:07] <GirlyGirl> clad: Is this on a natty upgrade?
[09:08] <iceroot> clad: "sudo apt-get update" is working?
[09:08] <clad> I was able to successfuly update the system before, this occured suddenly and I haven't done anything special or related to installation that I can remember of since then.
[09:08] <dr_willis> we must be gettting closer to release. :) i see fewer updates every day.
[09:08] <clad> Fresh install from beta 2 iso image, and lemme try that iceroot
[09:09] <iceroot> dr_willis: but still some bad bugs
[09:10] <clad> aptitude update get stuck at this line: 91% [Connecting to tw.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[09:10] <iceroot> clad: can you reach the server?
[09:10] <iceroot> clad: e.g. ping
[09:11] <clad> I can ping, I try to manually connect the ftp
[09:11] <iceroot> clad: should be http
[09:11] <iceroot> clad: and isnt archive for older ubuntu-releases?
[09:12] <clad> I didnt touch anything, whatever is there is the default
[09:12] <iceroot> clad: ok then i am maybe wrong
[09:13] <clad> Any yeah can't connect to the server no matter http or ftp
[09:14] <clad> I guess setting the package manager to another country should do the trick
[09:15] <iceroot> clad: better should be a correct error-message from software-center that a server cant be reached instead of the current situation
[09:15] <clad> Well, in China we don't really have the same internet protocole, it often messes up softwares in strange way
[09:16] <l00pb4ck> hi, how do i autologin to gnome3 instead of unity?
[09:16] <iceroot> clad: of course you have the same protocols
[09:16] <iceroot> clad: maybe with some spy-addons :)
[09:16] <clad> Not really, we have the GFW sending incorrect error pages all the time
[09:16] <clad> And some kind of errors are replaced by others
[09:17] <clad> (like fake 404 page when actually the server can't be reach, makes software think the server is reachable but not working)
[09:18] <clad> (Or http answers being sent through protocoles not related to the web at all)
[09:19] <clad> Anyhow, using US servers seem to work, thanks !
[09:29] <clad> Of course the download of the flash plugin is slow as hell... 10Kbs... Sure Adobe, give us even more reason to want to boycott your plugin...
[09:30] <GirlyGirl> clad: I don't think abode does that on purpose. Unfortuantely it can be quite difficult for companies like abode to have servers in CHina esp after what happened with google
[09:32] <clad> Well then, why is everything related to flash always such a pain while I generally don't have problems with western softwares ? Even the US Ubuntu repo works at max speed.
[09:35] <clad> The whole idea of having to have a package that wget the binary from their website is quite ridiculous. There is many other proprietary software provided by Ubuntu and other linux distros, and they fit just fine in packages directly...
[09:36] <clad> If they are so paranoid about distributing the software their way, they could at least make sure they can do it correctly.
[09:44] <maxb> iceroot: You're confusing "archive" used in the Debian (old stuff) vs. Ubuntu (current stuff) senses - and yes, that particular set of naming conventions is rather unfortunate
[09:45] <maxb> clad: It's not wget-ing it from Adobe, it's wget-ing it from archive.canonical.com, which is in London, IIUC
[09:46] <clad> Oh well, my bad then
[09:46] <maxb> Is anyone experiencing synaptics touchpads locking up under oneiric?
[09:46] <maxb> It seems to happen shortly after login, if it happens at all
[09:47] <clad> As a matter of fact, I did. Everything time I do a "lsusb", afterward I can't find any other solution but to reboot or use a mouse
[09:48] <clad> I can't tell you if it happens in earlier release though, I haven't used any older version on my laptop
[09:50] <maxb> Hmm... lsusb doesn't seem to trigger it for me
[09:50] <clad> lsusb as user doesn't, lsusb as root does
[09:51] <maxb> yeah, tried both
[09:51] <clad> I just tried again to make sure and still happens on me.
[09:52] <clad> Anyhow, I don't have any lockup occuring by itself like you
[10:15] <phibxr> What happened with the currently active window throwing a bigger shadow in the default Unity-theme?
[10:20] <perberos> !
[10:20] <umadbro> ?
[10:20] <perberos> secret chan
[10:35] <vlt> Hello. Will I need specific (video) hardware for Ubuntu 11.10? On 11.04 I got a hardware related error message the first time I tried to login (falling back to Gnome instead of Unity).
[10:51] <phibxr> vlt, it will fall back to unity 2d if you don't have the hardware for unity.
[10:54] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:58] <vlt> phibxr: What hardware do I need?
[10:58] <phibxr> vlt, anything capable of 3d-acceleration.
[10:59] <vlt> phibxr: When logging in to Ubuntu 11.04 the first time I got a message that my hardware doesn't support Unity and Ubuntu will fallback to Gnome.  I got this video card: "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 02)".
[10:59] <vlt> phibxr: In 11.10 there will be Unity 2D then?
[11:00] <phibxr> vlt, no idea if that's got drivers for hardware acceleration or not. if there are non-opensource drivers available, you will get prompted after the first login to perform an automated installation of better drivers.
[11:29]  * penguin42 growls at pa
[11:32] <penguin42> yofel: Do you still have problems with the default output switching to HDMI?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  I had to install PA for web content audio
[11:34] <penguin42> PA on natty worked so well for me; OO seems to have broken something
[11:38] <penguin42> hmph working after a reboot - shouldn't need to do that
[11:43] <BluesKaj> penguin42, blacklist the hdmi card in /etc/modprob.d/blacklist.conf.
[11:44] <Flynsarmy> don't RCs usually come out a week before final? finals now released in 4 days
[11:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hmm that's not a bad idea
[11:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42, correction , /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf   , it works on this pc
[11:46] <yofel> penguin42: not right now, happens every now and then
[11:47] <BluesKaj> to find the module to balcklist runb , lsmod | grep  snd
[11:47] <penguin42> yofel: I have a bit of a theory; I just had problems and did an lsof /dev/snd/* and found knotify on the first device and PA only claiming the second - pactl was only listing the hdmi device
[11:48] <Flynsarmy> is ther ea big bug holding up the RC or something?
[11:49] <penguin42> ea?
[11:49] <Flynsarmy> there a*
[11:49] <penguin42> a
[11:49] <penguin42> Flynsarmy: I did read something saying it was getting spun today - not sure why
[11:50] <yofel> iso.qa.ubuntu.com only shows the final images, so I don't think there'll be an RC
[11:55] <BluesKaj> penguin42, did you designate the preferred card as : "options snd_modulename index=0" that setting gives the card priority/default
[11:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No, I didn't do anything other than the GUI options
[11:56] <BluesKaj> in  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[11:57] <penguin42> right, breakfast!
[11:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, thatwhat the tutorials advise and it works , altho a reboot is required
[11:58] <yofel> I'll poke apachelogger later if he knows why knotify would claim a sound device for itself
[12:08] <BluesKaj> yofel, here's hoping that the windows sizing prob goes away with the new release , because i still have windows opening in the top left , the size of a postage stamp , ignoring any special windows or application setings I give them
[12:09] <BluesKaj> unless I use the "force " settings'
[12:18] <hjd> Anyone know whether bug 840135 is intentional?
[12:20] <jtaylor> yes
[12:20] <jtaylor> backports are not installed by default anymore
[12:46] <ali1234> what's the bug number for "launcher doesn't appear"?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ali1234, try dbus-launch "application"
[12:55] <BluesKaj> see what the output is
[12:56] <ali1234> BluesKaj: Couldn't exec application: No such file or directory
[12:58] <s1m0nsk1> why don't I see a shortcut to a mounted drive in the left panel of nautilus?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> nameofapplication like amarok or someother
[12:59] <s1m0nsk1> Or a shortcut on the desktop?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ali1234,^
[13:00] <ali1234> BluesKaj: it runs the program and doesn't output anything. why are you telling me to do this?
[13:01] <ali1234> i found it. bug 832150
[13:01] <penguin42> yeh I get that - is it supposed to?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok ali1234 , just try the name of the app in the terminal , to see what errors occur , if iindeed it's the launcher
[13:01] <ali1234> what app?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> any app
[13:02] <ali1234> it works fine?
[13:02] <ali1234> why wouldn't it?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> just making sure
[13:06] <BluesKaj> penguin42, did you try blacklisting the hdmi ?
[13:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Nah, not bothered at the moment - it's booted and running OK
[13:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:09] <BluesKaj> I was getting audio dropouts every 10 secs or so after insalling PA ... strange behaviour , so I rebooted and no more dropouts...still weird  that we need to reboot more and more to make changes stick
[13:11] <penguin42> as I say, PA isn't that happy in OO - very hard to report that as a bug though
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I won't report it
[13:13] <BluesKaj> too much bother for such a small thing
[13:15] <BluesKaj> never cared for PA, but as long as the digital passthru works ok then I don't care because pulseaudio's role is strictly as a digital server
[13:15] <phibxr> penguin42, HDMI was the default sound output for me after a fresh install of beta 2. a bit annoying, indeed.
[13:15] <penguin42> phibxr: KDE or Gnome?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> heh, i don't have a hdmi out, just a dvi>hdmi , the hdmi showed up in phonon til I blacklisted it
[13:21] <lucas-arg> in sound preferences i dont see front output of my laptop sound card... i can manage it with alsamixer only...
[13:21] <lucas-arg> is it a pulseaudio bug?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, do you mean the volume ctrls on the laptop keyboard aren't working ?
[13:25] <lucas-arg> nope... the output of my card is not shown in volumen control... where u plug the headphones in...
[13:25] <lucas-arg> for some reason i can see "FRONT" in alsamixer, but i cant controle from the gui
[13:29] <lucas-arg> and while using skype sound stops working
[13:41] <hasenj> I set my user to auto-login
[13:41] <hasenj> but, it always logs into xfce session
[13:41] <hasenj> even though I logged in to unity last time
[13:46] <khear> what does the "pre-release images" for October 6th mean on the release schedule? is that like RC? nothing after beta 2 seems to be available though
[14:38] <khear> ah well, i guess google answered my question
[14:57] <BluesKaj> interesting that avidemux is no longer available in the repos
[15:02] <pythonsnake> how can I connect to current  Xubuntu session in ssh?
[15:03] <pythonsnake> trying to help a friend
[15:03] <pythonsnake> just like teamviewer
[15:04] <jtaylor> he needs to be running a ssh daemon
[15:05] <jtaylor> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[15:06] <lucas-arg> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[15:06] <lucas-arg> thats all he needs to do
[15:07] <lucas-arg> then ssh IP -l login-name will ask for password
[15:09] <pythonsnake> how to xorg over ssh?
[15:10] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, that's not a conspiracy or anything, it ftbfs. bug 831096
[15:10] <jtaylor> ssh -X if its allowed by the server
[15:10] <pythonsnake> jtaylor, okay
[15:11] <pythonsnake> how to start xubuntu session ?
[15:14] <lucas-arg> pythonsnake, theres a tool called remote desktop
[15:14] <pythonsnake> it doesn't work
[15:15] <lucas-arg> pythonsnake, enable it and then use Terminal Server Client
[15:15] <lucas-arg> pythonsnake, first ENABLE REMOTE DESKTOP
[15:15] <pythonsnake> lucas-arg, how?
[15:15] <lucas-arg> pythonsnake, just search for remote desktop in ubuntu menu... its easy
[15:16] <pythonsnake> I use xubuntu
[15:16] <lucas-arg> pythonsnake, it doesnt matter... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n33yl1jAqgQ
[15:16] <penguin42> lucas-arg: Are you sure xubuntu has it installed by default?
[15:17] <lucas-arg> i dont know just installed!
[15:17] <penguin42> lucas-arg: You can't assume xubuntu has the same menus
[15:18] <lucas-arg> its simple u have terminal, synaptic or software center to search for "remote desktop" and "terminal client server"
[15:18] <lucas-arg> there are also tons of videos on youtube showing how to do it
[15:20] <lucas-arg> sudo apt-get install vino vinagre
[15:20] <lucas-arg> sudo apt-get install tscleint
[15:21] <BluesKaj> is there a method for copying video file names with the same file extn to join them together into one video like the cat file2. file2 etc, without copying each file name individually from properties
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> err file1 file2
[15:24] <pythonsnake> lucas-arg, no tsclient pkg
[15:27] <pythonsnake> nevermind
[15:27] <pythonsnake> gonna use tv
[15:27] <pythonsnake> teamviwer*
[15:30] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, http://ffmpeg.org/faq.html#SEC27
[15:31] <phibxr> Hmm. In 11.04 the Ubuntu-symbol in the top-left corner used to get a blue triangle when a program wanted your attention -- where has that feature gone in 11.10?
[15:33]  * penguin42 doesn't get the Ubuntu symbol at the top left any more!
[15:34] <burntodisc> I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on a PC. Do I have to do anything else other than changing the boot order in BIOS if I choose to reinstall?
[15:34] <penguin42> no
[15:35] <burntodisc> penguin42: So I can just boot the Ubuntu disc and let the installer do the rest?
[15:35] <lenios_> yes
[15:35] <penguin42> burntodisc: Yep - it'll ask you if you want to use the whole disc and if you are you sure you want to erase it all
[15:35] <burntodisc> Awesome. Thanks!
[15:37] <burntodisc> Well, I have another question while I'm still in here. Is it possible to install VirtualBox on 11.10? I'm not able to find a download for 11.10 here --> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[15:37] <lenios_> it is possible
[15:37] <lenios_> i have it working
[15:37] <lenios_> just apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[15:37] <jtaylor> whats wrong with the version in the repository?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, thanks for that :)
[15:38] <burntodisc> lenios_: Any major bugs or was it hard to get up and running?
[15:38] <lenios_> just apt-get install, no problem
[15:38] <burntodisc> lenios_: Thanks! :>
[15:40] <burntodisc> See you later boys and girls! I'm off to reinstall Ubuntu! :>
[16:14] <scotty^> Can someone please take a look at bug #830911 ?
[16:15] <scotty^> It could be a bug in Firefox, which is where it's currently assigned, or it could be a bug in shared-mime-info
[16:16] <scotty^> My Oneiric box is currently without network access so I can't confirm the problem yet.
[16:18] <DanaG> weird... udisks things "host key fingerprint" is an unexpected error in SSH.
[16:20] <penguin42> what's the connection between udisks and ssh?
[16:21] <DanaG> I'm using the "connect to server" thing.
[16:21] <DanaG> It seems to be confused by the Visual Host Key.
[16:21] <DanaG> Thinks it's "unexpected stderr output".
[16:21] <mikedep333> penguin42, ssh can be used by disk utility to manage disks on other nodes
[16:21] <mikedep333> it calls the udisk utility
[16:21] <mikedep333> to manage the disks
[16:21] <penguin42> really? Wow - didn't know that
[16:21] <mikedep333> penguin42, yup, it's easy to miss
[16:21] <mikedep333> it's in the disk utility file menu
[16:22] <mikedep333> (I think disk utility is also called "palimpsest" or something)
[16:22] <mikedep333> DanaG, try doing a regualar ssh session into the remote machine
[16:22] <scotty^> Any ubufox maintainers here?
[16:22] <mikedep333> eg, "ssh computer2" from the terminal
[16:23] <DanaG> That works fine.
[16:23] <DanaG> Here's the error text in udisks:
[16:23] <penguin42> mikedep333: Hmm that's pretty neat
[16:23] <DanaG> Error connecting to "microserver".  An error occurred: the operation failed.  Details:
[16:23] <mikedep333> DanaG, when you do that, does it ask you to accept a fingerprint?
[16:23] <DanaG> Host key fingerprint is 03:76:56:91:43:a7:bd:48:38:02:03:e9:f7:54:7a:26+--[ECDSA  256]---+  |  .oo    .+o.    |   |  .  o  .oo+     |   | .    +o= o..    |   |  . ..E=oo . .   |   |   . o +S . .    |   |      .  .       |   |                 |   |                 |      |                 |+-----------------+
[16:23] <DanaG> I stripped line-breaks to avoid spamming the channel.
[16:24] <mikedep333> yeah
[16:24] <DanaG> So it's thinking the Visual Host Key is an error.
[16:24] <DanaG> That's the complete body of the "Error".
[16:24] <mikedep333> I'm not familiar with visual host keys
[16:24] <DanaG> They're pretty nifty.
[16:25] <mikedep333> but if ssh is configured to show a message  like a visual host key every time you connect, it may be confusing disk-utility
[16:25] <mikedep333> because disk-utility probably isn't parsing it correctly
[16:25]  * penguin42 isn't entirely sure what permissions he has on hsi remote machine that lets him do that!
[16:26] <DanaG> also, whoever decided to name the actual binary "parchment that's been erased and rewritten", and yet leave the package named gnome-disk-utility?
[16:26] <penguin42> hey?
[16:26] <DanaG> I actually had to do dpkg-listfiles the first time I ran that tool, to find the actual binary's name.
[16:26] <DanaG> Because it's darn well not gnome-disk-utility.
[16:26] <DanaG> It's "palimpsest".
[16:27] <penguin42> ah yes - probably seemed like a good name at the time....
[16:27] <DanaG> Yeah, but they should've symlinked it.
[16:27] <DanaG> Or something.
[16:27] <mikedep333> DanaG, palimpsest has a deaper meaning
[16:27] <mikedep333> *deeper
[16:27] <mikedep333> it refers to multiple layers of culture in a society
[16:27] <DanaG> Still, apt-get install gnome-disk-utility.  I then expect to run gnome-disk-utility.  =þ
[16:27] <mikedep333> just as a disk can have multiple layers in terms of extended partitions, lvm, etc
[16:27] <penguin42> DanaG: A symlink would cost very little!
[16:27] <mikedep333> DanaG, I do agree
[16:28] <mikedep333> definitely symlink it
[16:28] <mikedep333> file a bug report ;)
[16:28] <DanaG> Anyway, now it's a non-issue with Unison.
[16:32] <mikedep333> http://www.screenage.de/blog/2008/10/15/having-fun-with-openssh-on-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex-visual-host-keys/
[16:32] <mikedep333> "Please note: This might break applications that rely on the ssh console client as they don’t expect graphical art popping up. So if some other clients don’t work anymore, play around with aliases or your ~/ssh/config file."
[16:32] <ThomasWaldmann> is banshee broken for internet radio streaming (*.pls stuff)? can someone try if it works for him?
[16:33] <mikedep333> ThomasWaldmann, one sec and I'll test it
[16:33] <ThomasWaldmann> http://listen.di.fm/public3/classicvocaltrance.pls < e.g. that starts banshee, says "buffering 0%" and then nothing happens, no music :|
[16:36] <ThomasWaldmann> (I clicked on that link in firefox, if that matters)
[16:36] <lenios_> it does work when you open it from banshee
[16:36] <mikedep333> ThomasWaldmann, it doesn't seem to work for me in banshee at all
[16:36] <mikedep333> I tried "import playlist"
[16:37] <lenios_> right click on radio > add station
[16:37] <lenios_> and put the url with http type
[16:38] <mikedep333> lenios_, sounds like this is one of the ubuntu "papercuts" that needs fixing
[16:39] <DanaG> Weird... palimpsest remote says my Samsung drives don't support SMART.
[16:39] <ThomasWaldmann> mikedep333: i don't know if they changed something, but i was regularly using di.fm with 11.04 and it ever worked. now tried with 11.10 and doesn't work.
[16:40] <mikedep333> ThomasWaldmann, I think Ubuntu switched from rhythmbox to banshee
[16:40] <mikedep333> as the default music manager/player
[16:40] <ThomasWaldmann> no, it was banshee before for me
[16:40] <mikedep333> hmm
[16:41] <mikedep333> a regression maybe?
[16:42] <ThomasWaldmann> fsck
[16:42] <ThomasWaldmann> half my fault. it was missing the mp3 codec stuff
[16:43] <ThomasWaldmann> when manually adding that radio station, it'll tell that the codec is missing. but it won't tell if you start it from the browser.
[16:44] <ThomasWaldmann> (i installed using the alternate cd and did not have network at install time)
[16:44] <ThomasWaldmann> now gnome-codec-install crashed X)
[16:44] <mikedep333> ThomasWaldmann, I may not have the same .pls as you, but even with the mp3 codecs installed, double-clicking it doesn't work
[16:44] <mikedep333> let me try di.fm from firefox
[16:47] <ThomasWaldmann> works!
[16:47] <ThomasWaldmann> i just installed latest updates + the mp3 codec.
[16:48] <DanaG> Okay, even weirder: running palimpsest directly on the server DOES show SMART as supported.
[16:48] <sammy> so lets say I add an oneiric deb-src line to my sources.list. then I use apt-get -b source -t oneiric packagename. what are the possible pitfalls? the package i'm building still has a control file, but is that just for when the package is finished building, and there's no dependency checking done before the build, say, when I do 'apt-get build-dep pakagename' first?
[16:49] <penguin42> sammy: I don't think it will check much
[16:50] <penguin42> sammy: An oddment I saw yesterday was I built an oneiric source package on a recent Debian and it gave a load of warnings during the dpkg-buildpackage about being unable to parse dependencies - erm and seemed to build fine; I've got a nasty feeling it ignored most of them :-)
[16:50] <Arnold> Hello everyone.
[16:51] <sammy> penguin42: but when you tried to install it, the control file is still there and filled out, shouldnt the install have failed?
[16:51] <penguin42> sammy: When I installed the package I think it read the control file and parsed it correctly, I think it was just a build issue for build dependencies
[16:51] <sammy> penguin42: I guess I'm not seeing the point of using apt-get to ever build that way from a newer repository, then
[16:52] <sammy> penguin42: if it does no dependency checking, whats the point of having that feature built into apt if it will 'AlmostAlways' create dependency isues
[16:52] <penguin42> sammy: I guess if you're back porting a lot it might be the easiest way, not much in it
[16:52] <sammy> hm. lame.
[16:52] <Arnold> Has anyone noticed Compiz taking slightly more memory when you're using a proprietary driver, rather than the open source one?
[16:53] <sammy> so I can use dget to get a sid package, but then I'm on my own to manually check the dependencies from the control file before using dpkg-buildpackage and installing it. got it. that seems like a waste :P
[16:53] <penguin42> sammy: I think it should check the dependencies
[16:53] <penguin42> Arnold: I don't use any prop ones, but that could be a lot of reasons for that - e.g. the prop ones may say they have extra features and Unity might end up using them
[16:53] <sammy> wait, wouldn't apt-get build-dep snag the dependencies? and then complain if certain depdencies were in the newer repo?
[16:54] <sammy> (assuming I only added the deb-src)
[16:54] <penguin42> sammy: Yes it should
[16:55] <penguin42> sammy: The other thing to watch out for is any changes made for multiarch in Oneiric, not sure what older stuff will think of that
[16:55] <sammy> penguin42: I'm actually trying this with a package from sid
[16:55] <sammy> *ducks*
[16:55] <penguin42> sammy: It's got a fair chance - remember sid's unstable :-)
[16:56] <sammy> penguin42: I know, thanks for the heads up :) the app is certainly stable, its a minor bugfix release on their end, debian/ubuntu stable is a few released behind, as it should be, to allow adequate testing I guess and all. but I trust the stability of the new version.
[16:57] <penguin42> nod
[16:57] <sammy> I fear this backporting process is something many people do regularly, I just lack any coherent documentation on how to do it, probably because no one wants to walk linux/debian newbs through the process if they don't know how apt/dependencies etc work
[16:57] <penguin42> sammy: It's sometimes worth checking the Ubuntu packages to see what changes (if any) Ubuntu made - e.g. to fix ubuntu issues
[16:57] <sammy> penguin42: there are actually a few patches applied in the current version that are fixed upstream in the new version. almost all of them, in fact.
[16:57] <penguin42> sammy: You might want to try #ubuntu-packaging for help as well
[16:58] <ArGGu^^> hello, When I try to install libxml2:i386 it wants to remove a lot of packages. One of them is libxml2 64bit package.
[16:58] <sammy> I was just headed that way, and to ubuntu-devel too. gotta stop asking these kind of questions in straight #ubuntu first :P
[16:58] <sammy> thanks :)
[16:58] <ArGGu^^> should I be able to install both 32bit and 63bit of libxml2?
[17:00] <jtaylor> no its not been converted to multiarch yet
[17:00] <bjsnider> ArGGu^^, that is the expected behaviour
[17:00] <Arnold> penguin42, I tried to find out which entry uses the most memory in the memory heaps area of Compiz, but the System Monitor window updates it too rapidly.
[17:01] <jtaylor> system monitor is no good benchmarking tool
[17:01] <Arnold> penguin42, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't the old memory leak bug caused by Compiz (increases when more window are being drawn and the more time Unity is left to run).
[17:01] <ArGGu^^> bjsnider it removing libxml2 64bit is expected behaviour?
[17:02] <Arnold> jtaylor, I'm trying to figure out why Compiz/Unity uses much more memory when using the proprietary NVidia driver, and it's nominal when running it with the open source one.
[17:03] <Ian_> anyone any idea what I could do with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/704977/
[17:03] <ArGGu^^> bjsnider or did you mean that being able to install both is expected behavior?
[17:04] <bjsnider> given the state of the packaging scripts at the moment, it is doing what it should
[17:05] <lenios_> Ian_, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/859188
[17:09] <Ian_> only low :(
[17:09] <ArGGu^^> bjsnider, but in the future will it allow installing both?
[17:10] <jtaylor> ArGGu^^: depends on the debian maintainer
[17:10] <ArGGu^^> ok
[17:10] <jtaylor> you can file a wishlist bug against the package in debian if you need it
[17:10] <jtaylor> a there already is
[17:11] <jtaylor> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=643026
[17:11] <bjsnider> you could research how to convert the packaging scripts and then rebuild the package locally yourself
[17:11] <jtaylor> the bug has a patch
[17:11] <ArGGu^^> ok thanks for the help.
[17:13] <Ian_> thanks lenios_
[17:21] <fabri> ciao
[17:21] <fabri> list
[17:43] <vlt> Hello. I want to install pkg "ubuntu-desktop" on a plain debootstrapped Ubuntu 11.10 install but I get 4 broken packages. Any idea how to solve this?
[17:45] <vlt> The pkgs are libgd2-xpm, libgd2-noxpm, libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[17:49] <Mkaysi> Does anyone else have problem that X doesn't start automatically and you must go to TTY1 and login and run "startx" or is it just me?
[17:50] <penguin42> Mkaysi: Just you :-)
[17:50] <penguin42> Mkaysi: Do you have  one of gdm/lightdm/kdm installed?
[17:50] <Mkaysi> It can also be this MacBook or that that I accidentally halted while upgrade to 11.10 was running
[17:51] <penguin42> Mkaysi: Oh, the later
[17:51] <penguin42> Mkaysi: That's not going to be happy
[17:51] <Mkaysi> penguin42: gdm or maybe lightdm depending on did that upgrade install / remove either of them.
[17:51] <penguin42> Mkaysi: Try doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop lightdm    and see what happens
[17:51] <Mkaysi> penguin42: It was reconfiguring openjade or something and that took over hour and then I halted
[17:51] <Mkaysi> Ok
[17:52] <Mkaysi> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:52] <Mkaysi> Ok, I will run that now
[17:53] <penguin42> Mkaysi: You're probably going to have a whole load of weird issues - stopping an install/upgrade is always trouble
[17:53] <Mkaysi> penguin42: At least I will not get bored if I have issues :)
[17:54] <Mkaysi> You should always look at good things in problems too
[17:55] <penguin42> Mkaysi: The problem is some will be just due to the screwed up install - so keep an eye out
[17:55] <Mkaysi> penguin42: Upgrading was running configuring so I think that it's not so critical
[17:56] <Mkaysi> And I think that that configuring was crashed before halting
[17:59] <thoeger> Hi folks
[18:00] <thoeger> I have a problem or two after an upgrade-from-disk (my older upgrade-from-web system got somehow borked and stopped working).
[18:01] <penguin42> describe the problem
[18:01] <thoeger> My Ubuntu session simply doesn't start properly. When I go to a Ubuntu2D session and then run Unity --replace from within it, it works fine, but then afterwards I have to kill unity2d-launcher and unity2d-panel manually, which is a sorta cumbersone way to log into my session...
[18:02] <thoeger> ...Maybe I need to somehow reset my Ubuntu session settings to default, is that possible?
[18:15] <boodroscotch> Hello all.
[18:16] <boodroscotch> I have just done a fresh install of Oneiric from th latest daily build, and the display always screws up when I boot up.
[18:17] <boodroscotch> It boots up fine from the LiveCD, though, with Unity 3D
[18:17] <boodroscotch> I have a Radeon HD 6970, if it's any help.
[18:20] <Hatl> hi! i update to oneiric. now my multiseat configuration doesn't work correctly. the mice don't get attached right (same configuration). which files should i attach to this bug report?
[18:21] <ripper003> Can't launch a video/audio chat in empathy via google talk, 'Invalid remote candidates passed' error?
[18:33] <meerkats> will the new libreoffice be able to read and write .docs natively?
[18:33] <meerkats> i mean .docx
[18:33]  * penguin42 thinks I've read .docx with it
[18:36]  * yofel is pretty sure he did too
[18:38]  * Daekdroom is pretty sure LibreOffice can read and write .docx
[18:38] <Daekdroom> However, it might not be as compatible to MS Office as you wish, given .docx changed a little since it was first used.
[18:40] <Daekdroom> For example, these days I saved a .docx in LibreOffice and tried opening it in MS Office 2003 to only see it not recognize it as a valid file.
[18:41] <Daekdroom> I suppose that happens between different MS Office versions too.
[18:44] <bjsnider> was this experiment done in oneiric?
[18:46] <penguin42> could 2003 read .docx?
[18:47]  * penguin42 is thinking .docx was newer but isn't sure
[18:47] <bjsnider> not without a plugin
[18:47] <bjsnider> docx was shoehorned in with office 2007
[18:48] <bjsnider> could be the plugin for office 2003 was out of date
[18:49] <Daekdroom> Yes, it was done in Oneiric.
[18:49] <Daekdroom> and yes, it had a .docx plugin.
[18:49] <Daekdroom> (the MS Office 2003 copy)
[18:49] <bjsnider> is it the newest version?
[18:49] <Daekdroom> No idea.
[18:50] <bjsnider> can office 2007/10 read the resulting file?
[18:50] <Daekdroom> I can't test it.
[18:50] <bjsnider> well, you might have a point, but i think those issues have to be resolved first
[18:50] <Daekdroom> Well, I think there's more than one type of .docx file.
[18:51] <bjsnider> libre might be creating the newest revision, and your 2003 plugin is too old to read it
[18:52] <Daekdroom> It must be using the revision that became the standard along with OpenDocument.
[19:02] <Mkaysi> "dpkg --configure -a" fixed every issue :D
[19:05] <pangolin> it's like a magic command
[19:08] <tar-gz> Hi how i can change language to polish in 11.10
[19:09] <jbicha> tar-gz: run System Settings and choose Language Support then click Install/Remove Languages...
[19:10] <tar-gz> jbicha: and i can't mark "polski" in menu
[19:10] <K4k> I recently installed the xubuntu-desktop package and when I'm in an xfce4 session I'm unable to launch xfce4-power-manager-settings. The error I receive is xfce4-power-manager is not running, start [no] [yes] and I select yes, try again, still nothing. I tried launching xfce4-power-manager from terminal and did not receive any errors but I get the same message at the settings screen. Anyone have any ideas?
[19:11] <tar-gz> Maybe i need restart?
[19:11] <jbicha> tar-gz: you have to drag polski above English on the Language Support screen
[19:12] <jbicha> the UI is a bit confusing and will be improved in 6 months when Ubuntu 12.04 is released
[19:18] <tar-gz> jbicha: ;-) how i can mart thats? When i click mouse i can't see diference
[19:19] <K4k> files in /etc/xdg/autostart will autostart with xfce correct? Just trying to think through why the power-manager isn't starting...
[19:23] <jbicha> K4k: it depends; open the files and look for an OnlyShowIn: line
[19:24] <K4k> Doesn't appear to have that line
[19:24] <tar-gz> ;-(
[19:24] <tar-gz> How i can change this language?
[19:24] <K4k> jbicha: actualy, I lied, it's there it says XFCE;
[19:24] <jbicha> K4k: then yes it should work
[19:25] <jbicha> what wouldn't work are the OnlyShowIn:GNOME;Unity; ones
[19:25] <K4k> jbicha: do you happen to know what log files xfce4-power-manager writes to?
[19:27] <jbicha> K4k: no sorry I don't really use XFCE, try #xubuntu or an xfce-specific channel
[19:27] <K4k> ah, --no-daemon seems to show somethings
[19:28] <charlie-tca> K4k: if you have both xfce4-power-manager and gnome-power-manager installed, they conflict
[19:29] <K4k> Ok, thanks for the info, do you know if it's file conflict or process conflict? I don't have gnome-power-manager currently running.
[19:30] <K4k> --no-daemon gave me some error messages I'm going to try in #xubuntu
[19:39] <Mkaysi> Weird. When I click external hard drive in unity panel, it tries to open it in Gedit instead of Nautilus
[19:50] <ThomasWaldmann> is there something unusual with vim in 11.10?
[19:51] <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i always get the minimal one, although i have installed the normal one and updated alternatives
[19:52] <ThomasWaldmann> to be more precise, i call it from mc with F4 (and configured to use external editor)
[19:53] <ThomasWaldmann> ah, found it. it needs export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim somehow, otherwise it calls vim.tiny(?). maybe a better idea would be to call "editor"?
[20:02] <krutoileshii> anyone know how to change this statement to cover both 2.6 and 3.0
[20:02] <krutoileshii> ifeq ($(KERNEL_VER), 2.6)
[20:03] <jtaylor> remove the check ._.
[20:03] <jtaylor> who cares about 2.4 :)
[20:03] <krutoileshii> i know, but needit there for older boxes
[20:04] <krutoileshii> how do i do an OR statement in the makefile.def
[20:05] <jtaylor> maybe you can do something with filter
[20:06] <krutoileshii> ... no clue how
[20:08] <jtaylor> ifeq ($(KERNEL_VER), $(filter $(KERNEL_VER), 3.0 2.6))
[20:09] <krutoileshii> let me give that a go
[20:10] <jtaylor> you need to quote the versions
[20:13] <krutoileshii> jtaylor, so ifeq ($(KERNEL_VER), $(filter $(KERNEL_VER), "3.0 2.6")) or is it ifeq ($(KERNEL_VER), $(filter $(KERNEL_VER), "3.0" "2.6"))
[20:14] <jtaylor> the latter
[20:14] <jtaylor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/705040/
[20:17] <jtaylor> correction: if you quote or not depends on what exactly is in $(KERNEL_VER)
[20:20] <krutoileshii> kernel contains 2.6 or 3.0 or 2.4
[20:21] <jtaylor> quoted or not
[20:21] <krutoileshii> not quoted
[20:21] <jtaylor> probably not, then also don't quite in the filter
[20:22] <krutoileshii> i think it compiled when i ran make here is the output
[20:22] <krutoileshii> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-11-generic'   CC [M]  /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/os_linux.o   CC [M]  /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/osm_linux.o   CC [M]  /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/div64.o   CC [M]  /home/ubuntu/Downloads/r
[20:23] <krutoileshii> Building modules, stage 2.   MODPOST 1 modules WARNING: could not find /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/.him_odin.o.cmd for /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/him_odin.o   CC      /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-linux-src-v1.3-legacy_single/product/rr2640/linuxls/.build/rr26xx.mod.o   LD [M]  /home/ubuntu/Downloads/rr2640-
[20:23] <krutoileshii> only got a warning , no errors
[20:24] <krutoileshii> jtaylor, when i try to do a makeinstall however, i get the following error "Can not get kernel version from rr26xx.."
[20:24] <jtaylor> more bugs to solve it seems
[20:25] <krutoileshii> yep
[20:25] <krutoileshii> have a feeling it has something ot do with config.c file
[20:25] <krutoileshii> it compiled as i have the module file, just cannot install
[20:25] <krutoileshii> rr26xx.ko gets created
[20:26] <krutoileshii> there is nothing in the make file
[20:26] <thoeger> Hi folks, trying again... Is there a way to reset my session to default? Something has gone borked up along the way, and now when I log in using the Ubuntu session in LightDM, all I get is my wallpaper and a mouse cursor. No interaction I can come up with works, apart from ctrl-alt-del to log out again. Unity2d works fine, and I can start Unity from there.
[20:27] <krutoileshii> this is the line that's complaining
[20:27] <krutoileshii> ifeq ($(KERNEL_VER),)  $(error Cannot find kernel version. Check $(KERNELDIR)/include/linux/version.h.)  endif
[20:27] <krutoileshii> it's in the Madefile.def
[20:28] <lucas-arg> thoeger, try deleting all ur configurations... rm -rf .*
[20:28] <thoeger> lucas-arg, are you kidding? What kinda advise is that?
[20:29] <thoeger> that also will remove e.g. all pop mail boxes (at least under evolution) etc.
[20:29] <pangolin>  bug 871469
[20:30] <krutoileshii> jtaylor, it's in the install.sh file
[20:30] <lenios> thoeger, you can log out, open a tty (ctrl+alt+f1), "sudo -i " to get a root term, and then move your home dir: mv /home/thoeger{,.bck}
[20:30] <lenios> and then try to log in to see if that changes anything
[20:30] <jbicha> that's not good advice either
[20:31] <thoeger> lenios, That'll automatically create a new home dir for me, right?
[20:31] <lenios> yes
[20:31] <lenios> with (hopefully) good files
[20:31] <jbicha> thoeger: basically just run unity --reset
[20:31] <thoeger> Hmm... That may be a solution. I'm just suspecting it simply is a list of automatically run software that has items on it no longer on the system or something.
[20:32] <mongy> anyone know where audio file previews went in 11.10 ?
[20:32] <thoeger> jbicha, at what point? From tty or from UNity2d?
[20:32] <jbicha> thoeger: command line is fine
[20:33] <krutoileshii> case ${KERNEL_VER} in 	2.4 ) 	OBJ=o 	MODVER=`modinfo -f%{kernel_version} ${PWD}/${TARGETNAME}.${OBJ}` 	;; 	2.6 ) 	OBJ=ko 	MODVER=`modinfo -F vermagic ${PWD}/${TARGETNAME}.${OBJ} | cut -d' ' -f1` 	;; esac
[20:33] <thoeger> jbicha, okay thx, that sound like a sound first try
[20:36] <thoeger> okay try and log out and back in... Problem with running unity from command line is that Unity2d doesn't respect it, so now I have two launchers and two panels covering each other...
[20:37] <krutoileshii> jtaylor, thank you very much, got it to compile and install
[20:38] <krutoileshii> the install script was messed up, other than that, it is working like a charm
[20:40] <thoeger> jbicha, unfortunately no result
[20:40] <bjsnider> is thee any info in .xsession-errors about why unity isn't starting?
[20:42] <thoeger> bjsnider, hmm there is a lot of warnings from unity-2d-launcher....
[20:43] <bjsnider> what graphics driver have you got there?
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[20:44] <thoeger> bjsnider, I don't think it's a graphics issue, 3d accel works fine in pretty much any other session than mine
[20:45] <bjsnider> .xsession-errors or dmesg should have enough info to troubleshoot
[20:45] <krutoileshii> now let's see if i could make a dkms package package out of it
[20:49] <thoeger> bjsnider, I'm not too sklilled readin ghose though. But I have a thought; could it be that I somewhere have a compiz config file that asks it to load plugins that are no longer installed?
[20:54] <bjsnider> thoeger, how about this. try to start a unity session from the login screen, and when you get as far as it takes you, go to a vt, and run DISPLAY=:0 unity
[20:54] <thoeger> Okay, I will, may take a little bit though.
[20:55] <bjsnider> yeah, you could nuke your compiz config
[20:58] <thoeger> Okay, going out and back in...
[21:15] <thoeger> bjsnider, unfortunately still no result
[21:15] <thoeger> Where can I look to debug, again?
[21:16] <bjsnider> yeah but there must be some useful information being communicated
[21:16] <thoeger> It doesn't look like X doesn't start properly, rather that something else is blocking the session/login sequence...
[21:16] <thoeger> Sure thing... Trying to run unity as you said, I got a segmentation fault
[21:17] <bjsnider> oh, that's helpful
[21:17] <thoeger> bjsnider, sorry, was that sarcasm...?
[21:17] <bjsnider> yeah
[21:18] <bjsnider> i mean you could install dbg packages and run it in valgrind i guess
[21:18] <thoeger> Heheh
[21:18] <thoeger> sure
[21:18] <thoeger> but again
[21:18] <bjsnider> you could try adding -v
[21:18] <lenios> i'm really surprised language-support-* packages aren't there anymore
[21:18] <thoeger> running unity works fine with unity --replace from inside my unity2d session - I just have to kill all unity 2d processes manually afterwards
[21:20] <bjsnider> thoeger, ok, try the previous process except killall unity forst, in case it's already running, and run it with unity -v, and i suppose if you do $>unity_errata on the end it will capture the result in a file
[21:21] <bjsnider> and also you should probably wipe out any compiz settings
[21:22] <thoeger> bjsnider, aye
[21:23] <dupondje> Hi, still got issue with my locale on oneiric. The locale is set to nl_NL instead of the wanted nl_BE. Any idea how I can change it
[21:23] <dupondje> ?
[21:26] <lenios> dupondje, go to language support
[21:27] <dupondje> lenios: i'm on gnome3 btw
[21:27] <lenios> me too
[21:27] <dupondje> Language only gives me 'Nederlands'
[21:28] <dupondje> country settings I can choose 'Nederlands (BelgiÃe)' but it doesn't change anythng
[21:28] <lenios> you have to log out and log in again
[21:29] <lenios> you can apply it system-wide too if you want it on lightdm
[21:29] <dupondje> LC_CTYPE=nl_NL.UTF-8
[21:29] <dupondje> doesn't change a ****
[21:32] <dupondje> this is really sad :(
[21:32] <thoeger> bjsnider, unfortunately it seems tthat the verbose output doesn't go in the file...
[21:33] <dupondje> lenios: i'm unable to get nl_BE :(
[21:33] <thoeger> bjsnider, but it looks like it is looking for some compiz-plugins in ~/.compiz-1/plugins, which don't exist. But why is it looking for them there?
[21:34] <bjsnider> ok, so it finally did give you some useful info
[21:36] <thoeger> bjsnider, but do you have any idea why it is looking for them there?
[21:37] <bjsnider> no
[21:37] <bjsnider> google that
[21:39] <bjsnider> thoeger, i think it should be &>unity_errata for the command to capture the console results
[21:39] <thoeger> Ahaaa... okay sure
[21:40] <thoeger> but there was little else but the complaints about the missing plugin files in the ~/.compiz-1 folder
[21:46] <dupondje> really have no idea how to set the correct locale :(
[21:48] <bjsnider> thoeger, you're not the only one to have had this problem, i'll tell you that much
[21:49] <thoeger> Okay? Any bugs filed?
[21:52] <M1> Is the release candidate out yet?
[21:52] <rww> M1: there is no release candidate, so no :)
[21:52] <thoeger> bjsnider, so it looks like it's adding the output to the file like it's supposed to now. Anything specific I should look for?
[21:52] <M1> Then what was this about? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-11-10-release-candidate-due-shortly/
[21:52] <rww> M1: OMG!Ubuntu is not always accurate.
[21:53] <M1> alright.
[21:53] <bjsnider> thoeger, oh, i was right this time. now you can pastebin the results
[21:53] <rww> M1: If you want to test pre-release images, see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[21:54] <dupondje> its sad. Locales can be set, wireless networks can't be removed, text is cut off in system-settings panel, unity crashes when  trying to view all apps ...
[21:54] <dupondje> and this is going to be released in 4 days ?!
[21:56] <qin> dupondje: You updating or using latest image?
[21:56] <dupondje> i'm running it since pre-alpha
[21:57] <rww> perhaps you have cruft accumulated from back then?
[21:57] <qin> dupondje: Hence problems, install latest image.
[21:57] <rww> tends to happen on devel release boxes
[21:57] <bjsnider> rww, i'd say certainly so
[21:57] <dupondje> qin: that won't change the fact I'm unable to change the locale
[21:57] <dupondje> or there is no gui to remove wireless networks
[21:57] <dupondje> or that the text length is hardcoded and just to short ...
[21:58] <qin> dupondje: Using beta2 in vbox, only minor problem, unworthy to even notice.
[21:58] <qin> dupondje: I think from 1/10
[21:59] <dupondje> tell me, how can I change my locale to nl_BE ?
[22:00] <qin> dupondje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule apparently language pack was last on list, reinstall with latest image.
[22:01] <dupondje> I have latest updates ... so thats the same
[22:01] <dupondje> and language packs contain the text
[22:01] <dupondje> not the way how to set LC_CTYPE / LC_MESSAGES or so
[22:03] <qin> Which come to reall question, when release party channel will start (if will)?
[22:08] <thoeger> bjsnider, Pastebinned result: http://pastebin.com/2RZBL84C
[22:09] <BluesKaj> qin, the ops will post it in the channel messages on release day
[22:10] <qin> BluesKaj: thx.
[22:17] <thoeger> bjsnider, still have this weird problem that the unity2d-panel doesn't seem to obey the opacity settings from the compiz Unity plugin... it's all very frustrating
[22:17] <bjsnider> thoeger, maybe there's someone in #ayatana that can help
[22:18] <bjsnider> i'm sure it's a userland config issue
[22:18] <thoeger> bjsnider, okay, thank you so far
[22:27] <BluesKaj> BBL ..dinner
[22:36] <thoeger> bjsnider, okay I nuked my .gconf and .config folders, that worked.
[22:37] <thoeger> So now I need to redo some settings but so be it
[22:37] <bjsnider> userland config files
[22:38] <bjsnider> by rule, packages cannot modify anything owned by the user, so they get left behind even if they contain settings that are disastrously wrong
[22:38] <jbicha> thoeger: it might have been interesting to know what specifically broke, but at least it's fixed for you :)
[22:41] <thoeger> jbicha, yeah I know but I also need a working system... :-)
[22:44] <jbicha> thoeger: I just meant if you had extra time, you could have moved .gconf and .config instead of removing them, but no worries
[22:44] <thoeger> jbicha, I did in fact move them rather than kuking them
[22:44] <thoeger> nuking*
[22:45] <bjsnider> could also have focused on the compiz subfolders instead of the whole thing
[22:45] <thoeger> I never delete that kinda stuff until I'm sure it works without them
[22:45] <jbicha> bjsnider: shouldn't unity --reset have reset the compiz settings?
[22:45] <thoeger> bjsnider, sure thing... It's getting late here so patience is getting a little thin...
[22:46] <bjsnider> jbicha, hey man, don't ax me. i'm a gnome-shell kinda guy
[22:46] <bjsnider> but it seems like the two are separate
[22:47] <bjsnider> but i think the reset commands should be extended to compiz if it isn't
[22:53] <carl0s-> Is there a specific knack to getting the side bar menu thing to appear? It's not just a simple case of putting the mouse to the left of the screen is it? Do I have to put it to the left and make sure I don't hold it there or or something? It often won't come out anyway. It's certainly not intuitive. What's it thinking and how can I deal with that?
[22:54] <carl0s-> (it always comes out if I hit Super, but then the app searcher menu comes out too.. although since one of the recent updates at least that doesn't mean I can't used the menu icons.
[22:56] <thoeger> bjsnider, jbicha I'm pretty sire it does.
[22:57] <bjsnider> what?
[22:59] <bjsnider> i think what jbicha is getting at is that you used the --reset command and it wasn't good enough to fix you problem. that is a flaw in the command, since it is supposed to fix the exact problem you had
[22:59] <carl0s-> more often than not I have firefox maximized. That's when the, erm, unity menu/doc bar thing won't appear unless I hit Super.
[23:00] <thoeger> Okay completely different question. After resetting my config folders, all of a sudden I get a Ubiquity icon in the unity launcher, saying "install RELEASE"... Is this the proper way to upgrade to final from Beta?
[23:00] <Daekdroom> thoeger, nope
[23:00] <thoeger> bjsnider, except if the problem was somewhere else, which is what I suspect.
[23:01] <carl0s-> thoeger, I've had that sat here for ages too.. it's like the icon is supposed to be there when using the LiveCD, except I'm not using the LiveCD.
[23:01] <thoeger> Daekdroom, okay thanks, what I suspected.
[23:01] <thoeger> carl0s-, exactly. Away it goes, got othing to do there.
[23:01] <Daekdroom> thoeger, what I find odd is that ubiquity is not even part of the system once you install it.
[23:01] <thoeger> Daekdroom, seems very much to be here...
[23:02] <thoeger> ...My install DVD isn't even in the drive
[23:02] <carl0s-> nor mine
[23:02] <bjsnider> thoeger, you think the problem was a config file that's not related to unity in any way? that should not be able to stop unity
[23:02] <carl0s-> :)
[23:02] <jbicha> carl0s-: the left launcher hiding is a known "stacking" bug
[23:02] <carl0s-> jbicha, oh ok thanks. It's been like this for some time but I'm glad it's a known bug
[23:02] <jbicha> sometimes resetting Unity is enough to get the launcher to show normally
[23:03] <jbicha> I do Alt-F2 unity
[23:03] <Daekdroom> thoeger, you may as well uninstall ubiquity package.
[23:03] <Daekdroom> It's not a ubuntu-desktop recommend, so it's really not meant to be installed.
[23:03] <Daekdroom> (unless you did it manually, which I believe you didn't)
[23:03] <thoeger> Daekdroom, yeah probably a good idea
[23:04] <thoeger> No idea what it's doing there
[23:04] <thoeger> bjsnider, true that. You're right about that.
[23:31] <l00pb4ck> how do i get remote desktop access on lightdm?
[23:32] <l00pb4ck> "sudo x11vnc -rfbport 5901 && exit" doesn't work w/ oneiric :/
[23:57] <Q-FUNK> hi! is there any way to delete some wifi access points from those known by nm-applet in oneiric?
[23:59] <Q-FUNK> until natty, it was possible to go edit network connections and to remove individal items from those known.  I cannot seem to find the equivalent function in oneiric.
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> nite


[08:52] <cjwatson> maxb: you can drop hooks into /usr/lib/oem-config/post-install
[08:53] <cjwatson> hooks must be executable and their file names must not contain '.'
[08:53] <cjwatson> and they should exit zero on success
[08:54] <maxb> aha, thanks - I was looking around, chasing the path of what gets invoked, but when the oem-config* scripts invoked ubiquity, the trail became a little non-obvious
[08:54] <lifeless> cjwatson: hi hi
[08:54] <maxb> Is there a right way to find the firstboot user's homedir, or should I just rely on it being uid 1000 ?
[14:06] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1481 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.0-3 kernels.
[16:33] <maxb> Hi. Could I prevail on an interested core-dev to push lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/preseed/natty and /maverick branches (or whatever the convention is) so that I can file a merge proposal into them?
[16:34] <cjwatson> maxb: done, named that way
[16:35] <maxb> thanks!
[16:35] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1482 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu41
[16:41] <ev> cjwatson: if you have a free moment, could I have your eyes on this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/637991/ ? $PROJECT doesn't seem to be set inside auto/build (from looking at set -x output), but I'll look into that now.
[16:42] <cjwatson> PROJECT> you're meant to set it when calling it
[16:42] <cjwatson> it's sadly not carried over from lb config atm
[16:42] <ev> I had it exported, if that's what you mean
[16:42] <cjwatson> dunno then
[16:42] <ev> but maybe SUDO filters it out, like it does for other things?
[16:43] <ev> will dig
[16:43] <ev> err sudo
[16:43] <cjwatson> ah, well try sudo PROJECT=wubi ...
[16:43] <ev> thinking about environment variables has me speaking in caps, apparently
[16:43] <ev> indeed
[16:43] <ev> that's what I was thinking :)
[16:43] <cjwatson> can this have some correct quoting?
[16:43] <ev> sure can
[16:44] <cjwatson> I think that much chroot-fiddling ought to live somewhere in live-build rather than in livecd-rootfs
[16:44] <cjwatson> unfortunately it's Ubuntu-specific, but perhaps it could be a live-build hook?
[16:44] <ev> okay, I'll move it into a hook
[16:46] <cjwatson> I think I would prefer wubi to be something other than a PROJECT value; it feels entirely orthogonal to the other things in PROJECT to me
[16:46] <cjwatson> it's entirely valid to build a Kubuntu wubi image, for instance
[16:46] <ev> ah yes, I hadn't considered that
[16:46] <ev> hm
[16:47] <cjwatson> I don't think any of the existing variables fit
[16:47] <cjwatson> so invent a new one I guess
[16:47] <cjwatson> (that's all, I think)
[16:47] <ev> fantasti
[16:47] <ev> c
[16:48] <cjwatson> oh, wait, you never unmount $CHROOT
[16:48] <cjwatson> I wonder also whether mv binary/boot/filesystem.ext3 $HOST is ideal
[16:49] <cjwatson> if somebody has /tmp on tmpfs, that's a big cross-device move
[16:49] <cjwatson> perhaps fiddle with the mktemp options so that the temporary directories are somewhere in the working directory?
[16:53] <ev> okay, will do
[16:56] <ev> oh, I did make this explicitly under /tmp as it makes cleanup difficult otherwise, but I'll find a way to do it within the working directory.
[17:05] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1483 ubuntu/ (build/Makefile debian/changelog):
[17:05] <CIA-37> debian-installer: Add multiarch library directories to mklibs' search path, in case
[17:05] <CIA-37> debian-installer: library udebs decide to install into them.
[17:06] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1484 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu42
[17:26] <cjwatson> lool: d-i FTBFS on armel due to the vexpress udeb changes, as predicted.  Perhaps you could fix this.  I'm finishing up now and on holiday tomorrow
[17:28] <CarlFK> cjwatson: does that mean i can't bug you about bug 728710 ?
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728710 in apt-setup "d-i apt-setup/local0/repository not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728710
[17:30] <cjwatson> not now sorry :(
[17:30] <cjwatson> I fixed the debootstrap/libc problem you mentioned this morning (but you quit IRC so I couldn't say so at the time)
[17:33] <CarlFK> no prob - enjoy holiday.  thanks for the libc fix.
[17:33] <CarlFK> the repo thing has been my death by 1000 paper cuts for about the last year.  I think I am on cut 400
[17:50] <maxb> CarlFK: apt-setup: warning: /usr/lib/apt-setup/generators/60local returned error code 1; discarding output  would seem to narrow the problem down to one script
[17:50] <maxb> time to start adding debug prints to it?
[17:51] <CarlFK> maxb: I have no clue how to build it,  but happy to grab blobs if you want to stick them somewhere
[17:52] <CarlFK> maxb: very much the dumb user here ;)
[17:52] <maxb> I was thinking of a somewhat lower tech solution. Start the installer, wait for it to get far enough, then fire up vi and edit the script in situ :-)
[17:52] <CarlFK> theres a script? (giggle)
[17:53] <maxb> well, sure, the name is in the error message I quoted
[17:55] <CarlFK> so if I have it wait for partition/mkfs confirmation, is that a good point to edit?
[17:55] <maxb> probably
[18:09] <maxb> CarlFK: fyi I just did a quick kvm test and it works just fine for me
[18:09] <CarlFK> maxb: can you pastebin your preseed file?
[18:09] <maxb> d-i apt-setup/local3/repository string http://ppa.launchpad.net/maxb/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[18:09] <maxb> d-i apt-setup/local3/key string http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9CC1A69E3DC9DB5420FAB05AD701E18D0B717EF0
[18:10] <CarlFK> I'll try that
[18:11] <lool> cjwatson: roger that
[18:12] <CarlFK> maxb: why local3 and not 0?
[18:13] <maxb> Because I already have a 0 1 and 2 in this environmnet
[18:14] <CarlFK> k - wanted to make sure me using 0 didn't break it or something
[18:17] <CarlFK> maxb: how are you confirming it worked?
[18:18] <maxb> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:18] <CarlFK> installer or the resulting install ?
[18:19] <maxb> the resulting install. Or, cat /target/etc/apt/sources.list during the installer
[18:20] <CIA-37> debian-installer: lool * r1485 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/netboot/armel.cfg debian/changelog):
[18:20] <CIA-37> debian-installer: Make nic-modules udeb optional on armel; currently not present on
[18:20] <CIA-37> debian-installer: armel+vexpress (builtin ethernet is built into the kernel); some USB NICs
[18:20] <CIA-37> debian-installer: should still be possible as modules, but that's optional; LP: #805596.
[18:38] <CarlFK> maxb: how do you install vi in the installer?
[18:38] <maxb> Hmm, is it not there already?
[18:39] <maxb> I suppose I might have been using the target system's vi when I played with such things
[18:40] <CarlFK> not there, and there is no target system yet.
[18:41] <maxb> hm
[18:41] <maxb> OK, alternate option - if you run "anna-install openssh-client-udeb" you'll be able to use scp to copy the file out, hack on it, and copy it back
[18:42] <CarlFK> I was just working on that plan
[18:55] <CarlFK> maxb: "debug prints" = echo ?
[18:56] <maxb> Assuming the stderr of the script doesn't seem to be going anywhere useful already, I'd try to redirect it to a file
[18:59] <maxb> e.g.
[18:59] <maxb> exec 2>/tmp/apt-setup-local.out
[19:07] <CarlFK> maxb: thanks.
[19:24] <CarlFK> maxb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/638085/
[19:24] <CarlFK> crap, I should have set my preseed to pause near the end too,
[19:24] <maxb> Well, now you have your error message, at least
[19:24] <CarlFK> like "eject cd?"
[19:24] <CarlFK> so the vm doesn't reboot
[19:24] <CarlFK> any idea how I can force that while 'installing packages' is running ?
[19:24] <maxb> Though, I am curious why keyserver.ubuntu.com would 403 you
[19:25] <CarlFK> I am guessing my squid cache
[19:27] <CarlFK> hmm, I am not going to type all that by hand, and my vm doesn't have ports going into it, so I can't ssh in... i think i need to restart anway
[19:27] <CarlFK> I'll add that paste to the bug
[19:40] <fabrice_> Hi, i was wondering what tool ubuntu uses to build the minimal CD, and where i could find the source
[19:40] <fabrice_> thank you
[20:40] <maxb> I'm not familar with a "minimal" CD, do you mean the mini.iso one?
[20:42] <fabrice_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:43] <fabrice_> so yeah i gues
[20:45] <maxb> I believe that image is generated as part of the d-i build process
[20:45]  * maxb hunts for a wiki page with more info
[20:48] <maxb> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build may be a useful starting point
[20:58] <maxb> Ah, and chapter 4 especialy of http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/
[20:59] <fabrice_> thanks ill read that
[21:50] <CarlFK> maxb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/638142/
[21:50] <CarlFK> where is fetch-url?
[21:51] <CarlFK>  /bin/fetch-url
[21:53] <CarlFK> grumble... where is protocol_fetch ...
[21:55] <CarlFK>   /usr/lib/fetch-url # cat http ;protocol_fetch() {


[00:43] <matv1> just ordered the tablet. Very much looking forward to getting it down here :)
[00:44] <swalladge> can someone help me understand how ubuntu touch relates to ubuntu desktop? Is it the same base system, can I install normal desktop programs (ie libreoffice, firefox, terminal emulators, gvim, etc...), can you login to a different desktop environment, ?
[00:50] <matv1> swalladge 'regular' Ubuntu desktop runs the Unity7 desktop environment up till now. Ubuntu touch is about the same codebase but with Unity8.
[00:51] <matv1> the main difference is that they use different display servers
[00:51] <matv1> Unity7 uses goodold X server
[00:51] <matv1> Unity8 has Mir
[00:52] <EOBeav> Will 16.04 use Unity8?
[00:52] <matv1> not by default no
[00:52] <matv1> but you can choose to use it
[00:53] <EOBeav> Natively, or is that a hack?
[00:54] <matv1> depends what you call a hack :)  I wouldnt call it that.
[00:54] <EOBeav> lol, understood
[00:55] <EOBeav> A manipulation
[00:55] <matv1> Unity8 will be the standard to come
[00:55] <matv1> just not in 16.04
[00:55] <EOBeav> I'd like to get ubuntu working on a Nexus for my next phone
[00:56] <matv1> I got it running on my nexus 4. its quite an old phone but it runs really good
[00:56] <EOBeav> That means I should be able to pick one up for cheap, lol
[00:57] <EOBeav> Once you install ubuntu, do you have to go back and get it connected with your wireless provider?
[00:57] <matv1> yeah actualy I have 2. both i got second hand well under a 100 euro's
[00:58] <matv1> no it does that by itself. it just uses the info from the sim
[00:59] <matv1> unless you some kind of weird contract where the sim is linked to the phone, but i have not heard of that happen
[01:01] <EOBeav> good to know
[01:01] <EOBeav> So once it's connected, ubuntu just gets the info from that
[01:02] <matv1> yes. If you have a data contract, all you have to do is insert the sim, boot the phone
[01:03] <EOBeav> awesome
[01:03] <EOBeav> will have to look for one locally
[01:04] <matv1> EOBeav cool! hope you like it
[01:21] <swalladge> matv1: cool
[01:22] <swalladge> so how does installing regular programs work?
[01:22] <swalladge> it looks like (based on my initial research) that the system is readonly or something
[01:24] <matv1> unity8 you mean? yes the phone releases are readonly for the base system yes
[01:25] <matv1> the next ota of ubuntu touch will have mir being able to run x-server dependent apps though
[01:26] <swalladge> ok
[01:27] <swalladge> so when they market firefox, dropbox, gimp, etc. (at http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/features), are they installed like selfcontained apps or as deb packages like on desktop?
[01:29] <mcphail> swalladge: I think they're running in a hackish X11-on-Mir wrapper/container at present
[01:31] <matv1> yes thats about it. But I am no mir unity8 expert myself
[01:32] <matv1> but my understanding is that this way of wrapping  x dependent apps in unity8 will be available to the user in just a couple of months
[01:32] <matv1> so that means you would be able to use that method to wrap any x-app for use in unity8/mir
[01:33] <swalladge> nice
[01:34] <mcphail> swalladge: I think there are still some very rough edges, with regards to confinement and data sharing for X apps. I suspect the end result isn't going to feel as slick as an X app running on X
[01:37] <matv1> swalladge yup I think so too. Thats probably why they dont ship unity 8 as default yet.
[01:37] <swalladge> how does one install these though? (if the system is readonly)
[01:38] <dobey> i wouldn't call it "hackish"
[01:38] <matv1> same way one installs any app i guess. its just that the wrapper magic has to happen first
[01:39] <matv1> ah i will leabe you to the expert now :)
[01:41] <matv1> dobey is it best described as a fallback to x? or it is fully intergrated into mir now?
[01:43] <dobey> there is still some work to be done regarding installation and management of legacy apps on phone/tablet devices
[01:44] <mcphail> dobey: I suspect you think I mean "hackish" pejoratively, which isn't the case. But it isn't as integrated as a native Mir solution
[01:44] <dobey> i would say that it might be a slightly degraded experience than you would get with the same app on a traditional PC install of Ubuntu
[01:44] <dobey> but i wouldn't say it is hackish
[01:45] <dobey> mcphail: "hackish" is derogatory, regardless of how you personally intend it to mean. intentions are not definitions :)
[01:46] <mcphail> "hacking means exploring the limits of what is possible, in a spirit of playful cleverness" - RMS
[01:46] <dobey> good for RMS
[01:46] <dobey> RMS doesn't dictate what the expectations of humans are though
[01:50] <dobey> mcphail: between you and me, the term might be fine. but when describing the technology and level of support to persons who may not be as technologically inclined as we, such a term may be off-putting
[01:53] <dobey> swalladge: legacy (x11) apps are run in a container, and each within its own X server (Xmir), for security and such. there is currently an additonal scope and application for management of the container(s) and launching legacy applications, as i understand. as development continues though, various levels of integration and support will obvioulsy improve, of course
[01:53] <mcphail> dobey: perhaps, on a technology focused IRC channel, we should use the correct definition (as per RFC 1392) rather than the false one?
[01:54] <dobey> mcphail: i think we should avoid the term "hack"
[01:54] <dobey> or any terms related
[01:54] <mcphail> Fair enough
[01:55] <dobey> being a technology focuse channel, we are certainly capable of describing our features in a more precise manner than relegating them to non-descript vague terms such as "hack"
[01:57] <mcphail> Persoanlly, I think the term is apposite here. But it is very late, I still have a couple of hours of work to do before bed, and I don't want to have a silly argument. I'll concede :)
[02:00] <matv1> I'm with mcphail :)
[02:00] <dobey> mcphail: well, i certainly am not trying to argue. just wanting to provide the best information possible regarding our devices, to those asking in here. :)
[02:07] <mariogrip> mhall119: ping
[02:07] <mariogrip> dobey: the n5 is the only device I might be upgrading to active, but since it missing bt i have waited
[02:08] <mariogrip> also manta
[02:09] <dobey> mariogrip: isn't bt the only thing missing on opo too?
[02:09] <mariogrip> dobey: no, voice call and headphones
[02:10] <dobey> oh
[02:10] <mariogrip> that will be fixed in 5.1, but that has some bad battery issues
[02:10] <mariogrip> (android 5.1 version)
[02:10] <dobey> sure
[02:10] <dobey> anyway, definitely time for me to slither off
[02:11] <mariogrip> I have to work late today, I have to clean up my todo list :P
[02:14] <matv1> mariogrip you are probably  aware that  devices.ubports.com is down right :) ?
[02:14] <matv1> just noticing
[02:14] <mariogrip> oh, im not, thanks for letting me know
[02:15] <matv1> ok np
[02:17] <mariogrip> now it's back up, thanks matv1 :)
[02:18] <matv1> awsum. thank you mariogrip
[07:27] <tathhu> hello, what was that command to change touch-channel on the phone?
[12:04] <peat-psuwit> What might wake a device from sleep? I'm experiencing wakeup every 1 second.
[12:04] <peat-psuwit> My own port, LG L90
[12:17] <pmcgowan> peat-psuwit, does the syslog give any hit? the last time we saw this it was thermal events keeping the system awake
[12:17] <pmcgowan> hint
[12:21] <peat-psuwit> pmcgowan: I really can't find any clue in syslog. Most of time, all I see is seem-to-be-normal suspend follow by seem-to-be-normal resume kernel text.
[12:22] <pmcgowan> peat-psuwit, may need to instrument the kernel to see what device is doing it,  ondra any ideas?
[12:54] <mhall119> mariogrip: pong
[12:54] <mariogrip> mhall119: have you got the fp device?
[12:57] <mariogrip> (the new fairphone device)
[12:57] <mhall119> no, not yet
[13:08] <ondra> peat-psuwit yeah as pmcgowan said, kernel log and try to get logs from powerd as well
[13:09] <ondra> peat-psuwit observer messages on dbus
[13:16] <peat-psuwit> ondra: I'm not sure what to look for. If it's powerd, I should see powerd's message between suspend and resume in syslog.
[13:16] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, what makes you think that ? if you are suspended syslog logging is indeed suspended too
[13:19] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: But powerd is suspended too? Also, AFAIK syslog will pick up whatever it missed when resume.
[13:19] <ogra_> everything is suspended
[13:19] <ondra> peat-psuwit run some tool gathering dbus logs, that will show you if something is poking powerd to stay awake
[13:19] <ogra_> except the modem
[13:20] <peat-psuwit> ondra: Like, dbus-monitor?
[13:20] <ogra_> (if the HW suspends hard, there is no way for anything to gather logs ... )
[13:21] <ondra> peat-psuwit bustle-pcap is one I used before
[13:21] <ondra> ogra_ you will get dbus message once something is waking system up
[13:22] <ogra_> and how would that be logged if the system is asleep ?
[13:22] <ondra> ogra_ usually something will wake system on interrupt, that then poke on dbus powerd is it wants to keep system running
[13:22] <ogra_> (if you run dbus-monitor you prevent the sleep altogether ... if dbus wakes it up there wont b an rsyslog listening yet)
[13:23] <ogra_> you might be able to get some logging from stdout from powerd in the upstart job log though
[13:23] <ondra> ogra_ sure you will not catch things which are just consumed by driver, so interrupt will not wake system to handle itself
[13:24] <ondra> ogra_ bustle-pcap should not prevent system from suspending
[13:24] <ogra_> k
[13:24] <ondra> ogra_ at least I remember using it, so hope it still works right way
[13:25] <ondra> ogra_ but it's a bit pain to debug, since you need to make sure ssh does not keep system awake either
[13:25] <ogra_> yeah, i remember that
[13:26] <ondra> ogra_ rsalveti is master debugging power issues
[13:26] <ogra_> yeah
[13:27] <ogra_> now he is master of running 96boards :)
[13:27] <ondra> ogra_ :)
[13:28] <ondra> ogra_ BTW where can I find u-d-f code, non xenial
[13:29] <ogra_> lp:goget-ubuntu-touch ?
[13:30] <ondra> ogra_ yeah but that is xenial one
[13:30] <ogra_> i dont think we have any other branch ... probably in UDD
[13:31] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/goget-ubuntu-touch ... there are a few other branches
[13:34] <ondra> ogra_ yeah but those fail when you do bzr branch
[13:35] <ondra> ogra_ those branches show just in LP web, but can't branch code
[13:35] <rsalveti> kernel log should say it all
[13:35] <ondra> ogra_ and trunk had dependencies to packages version which only exists in xenial
[13:35] <rsalveti> the time it was actually suspended (if any)
[13:35] <rsalveti> and if there was any subsystem or wakelock blocking it
[13:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: germany x italy today, should be an interesting game to watch
[13:36] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah ... germany england was rather disappointing ... lets see if we got better now
[13:42] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: I really can't find anything useful in kernel log. Could you please have a look? It's 2 suspend-resume cycles happen about 2 second apart. http://paste.ubuntu.com/15551755/
[13:44] <rsalveti> sure
[13:46] <rsalveti> [16042.723319] 16042.723319 / 03-29 13:27:19.245] MSM Apps Watchdog resumed.
[13:46] <rsalveti> yeah, doesn't say much, have syslog in hands?
[13:46] <rsalveti> in the past we had both missing configs (to enable a more verbose suspend process) and also code changes that were removing them
[13:47] <rsalveti> it's not even printing anything related to wakelocks
[13:56] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: In syslog, all it has is kernel message posted above and nothing else.
[14:31] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: hm, nothing from powerd?
[14:31] <rsalveti> might be good to change the power init script to run with debug
[14:36] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: How, please?
[18:00] <Pastaman> hey. any known issues when doing a first time install of ubuntu touch around now? I'm getting mystic lookup timeouts when trying to download the image via ubuntu-device-flash
[18:08] <dobey> Pastaman: helps to state which device, channel, and server, you are using
[18:09] <Pastaman> dobey: sorry, of course. but as expected, the error was on my end. firewall/NAT blocking the traffic
[18:10] <dobey> ok