[01:55] <pleia2> running quiteb
[01:55] <pleia2> late
[01:56] <pleia2> may have meeting at 730 instead ;)
[01:57]  * pleia2 heading home from grocery
[01:58] <scientes> cool, meeting coming up!
[02:20] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[02:20] <pleia2> hello california friends :)
[02:21] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15
[02:21] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:21] <pleia2> nothing really on our agenda
[02:22] <pleia2> #topic Announcements, comments, brainstorming, anything else
[02:23] <pleia2> several folks are at OSCON right now
[02:23] <pleia2> I know MarkDude and philipballew went up, and bkerensa and the Oregon team are running an Ubuntu booth :)
[02:25] <pleia2> I'll be heading up for just the last couple days
[02:25] <pleia2> anyone have anything they want to talk about?
[02:25] <pleia2> our last SF Ubuntu Hour was pretty lean, just two of us summertime :)
[02:26] <akk> Hey, everybody, have fun at OSCON!
[02:26] <pleia2> thanks akk!
[02:26] <pleia2> in early Septmeber we'll be working with BerkeleyLUG and Partimus on the Solano Stroll again http://www.solanoavenueassn.org/strol.htm
[02:26] <darthrobot> Title: [Solano Stroll street festival & parade |Berkeley & Albany CA]
[02:27] <eps> Y'know, I haven't heard anything about a Linux Picnic this year.
[02:27] <pleia2> eps: it's not happening
[02:27] <pleia2> no one reserved the back back in february
[02:27] <eps> Eek. So, what? At 21, Linux has finally grown up and moved out of its parents basement?
[02:28] <akk> bummer!
[02:28] <pleia2> 21, maybe the picnic is being held in an undisclosed bar :)
[02:28] <eps> If MarkDude were here, we could probably put together a Geeknic for the date the Linux Picnic would have landed on.
[02:29] <pleia2> Alison Chaiken expressed interest in trying to help make it happen next year, so I might throw my hat in for that too
[02:30] <pleia2> maybe we can see about roping him in for a geeknic in late august :)
[02:30] <pleia2> anyone have any other thoughts?
[02:31] <jyo> Mt. View Ubuntu Hour is on Thursday, I think.
[02:32] <pleia2> ah yes, 3rd thursday :)
[02:32] <pleia2> not in the loco team portal yet, but jtatum usually sends out a mail too
[02:35] <pleia2> ok, I guess we can wrap things up yet
[02:35]  * eps wants to gripe about the sad state of nVidia proprietary drivers
[02:36] <pleia2> #endmeeting
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[02:36] <pleia2> ok, onward with the griping!
[02:37] <pleia2> I don't even know if I'm using my nvidia card on my firewall anymore, I kept switching between it and the intel onboard as one sucked and another worked
[02:37] <eps> 12.04 "upgraded" to xorg 1.11, but nVidia didn't catch up until about two months later
[02:37] <pleia2> (I only use the graphics for basic stuff)
[02:37] <pleia2> ah, fun :\
[02:38] <akk> I'm sticking to intel lately, though they're making it hard since they're also making chips that have no linux driver.
[02:38] <eps> The usual strategy of backporting fixes doesn't work in cases like this.
[02:38] <eps> nVidia's current releases are listed here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:38] <darthrobot> Title: [Unix Drivers Portal Page]
[02:40] <pleia2> my current desktop has some cheap ATI card
[02:40] <pleia2> like $20 from newegg
[02:40] <eps> nvidia-current in precise _should_ be updated to 295.95, which is the *supported* Long Lived Branch
[02:40] <eps> Instead, it's stuck at 295.40. So precise users aren't getting any of the bug fixes.
[02:40] <Darkwing> Dang, I just missed the meeting...
[02:41] <Darkwing> Hey everyone... I have a bit of an annoucement that I'll be sending to the ML too.
[02:41] <eps> The Legacy driver for next-most-recent nVidia cards didn't work at all when precise shipped.
[02:41] <Darkwing> I'll be stepping down from the leadership position within the Loco.
[02:42] <Darkwing> In a couple weeks I'll be moving to Indiana.
[02:42] <eps> 173.14.35 is current -- and is used for nvidia-173 in quantal
[02:43] <eps> But precise is stuck at 173.14.30, again depriving users of the vendor's fixes
[02:43] <Darkwing> install the vesa, purge nvidia, install nvidia and purge vesa
[02:45] <eps> The standard repositories *should* have the supported drivers; you don't want to be told "I'm sorry, we fixed that already."
[02:45] <eps> This gives Ubuntu a bad reputation, and that for us is a marketing problem.
[02:45] <Darkwing> You would think... This has been an issue with repositories in ubuntu for a while.
[02:45] <eps> nouveau is *not* an acceptable alternative to the proprietary drivers.
[02:46] <Darkwing> Not even close.
[02:46] <eps> There are packages that track upstreams, e.g. Firefox.
[02:46] <Darkwing> this is why I'm happy that my laptop has intel
[02:46] <eps> nVidia needs to rise to that level.
[02:47] <Darkwing> yes, but an app is different than something that is moduled into the kernel
[02:48] <eps> So what? If you're using proprietary drivers, you have to trust your upstream.
[02:48] <eps> It isn't possible to backport fixes.
[02:49] <eps> You can't ask mainstream users to compile from source, nor point them at PPAs.
[02:49] <Darkwing> I agree 110% this is why a rolling release IMO would be better in the long run.
[02:50] <eps> I appreciate what Intel does, but it's not reasonable to tell people "you must buy Intel or you aren't welcome at our table."
[02:51] <eps> There are basically only three choices. My experience has been that Intel and nVidia both make products that work. ATI, not so much.
[02:51] <Darkwing> Yeah, I like what nVidia does is highend but, I perfer intel
[02:52] <eps> I also understand there's pushback from the Stallmanists.
[02:53] <eps> Hardwarewise, I prefer nVidia. I would like to be able to choose Ubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to want to play nicely with others.
[02:53] <Darkwing> The problem is simple, people are not used to building for the "just users" people
[02:53] <Darkwing> Like, the ones who do nothing else other than use it.
[02:54] <eps> Ubuntu is positioned as an end user product.
[02:54] <Darkwing> Untill we start building our mindsets directed toward them... We will have these issues.
[02:54] <Darkwing> Yes and no.
[02:54] <Darkwing> We are far along with it but, there is still the "give back" mindset
[02:55] <Darkwing> ** "must give back"
[02:55] <eps> No, we have to be pragmatic here.
[02:56] <eps> If I wanted to be straightjacketed, I'd stick with Apple hardware.
[02:57] <Darkwing> I'm not saying that... But, there is an expectation that isn't as good.
[02:58] <eps> What's next? Treat AMD CPUs as second-class citizens? We wouldn't do that.
[03:00] <eps> nVidia's products are widely adopted. If this were something unusual, then you could make the argument that it's too much trouble.
[03:02] <eps> I don't want to get into a Coke vs. Pepsi argument. That's for end users to decide for themselves.
[03:03] <eps> Ubuntu has enough detractors as it is; they don't need to be given any more ammunition.
[03:05] <eps> The bottom line is, we should be building updated packages, testing them, and if they pass muster, those should be going into -updates.
[03:06] <eps> I can't think of anything else to add.
[03:07] <Darkwing> :D
[03:08] <Darkwing> I'm with ya
[03:13] <eps> Maybe you can help revitalize the Indiana Loco?
[03:20]  * pleia2 searches for a portland hotel room
[03:21] <eps> www.travelportland.com
[03:21] <pleia2> yeah, already used that ;)
[03:22] <pleia2> ones exist, just trying to fine one that's not awful or too painfully far
[03:25] <eps> Public transit is free in downtown Portland. The MAX doesn't suck. www.trimet.org
[03:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: ;) I have something for you from Jono when you arrive
[03:27] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, the suspense! :)
[03:28] <pleia2> have fun tomorrow, good luck with the booth!
[03:28] <scientes> whens the meeting?
[03:28] <pleia2> scientes: we already had the meeting
[03:28] <scientes> oh damn i missed it again
[03:29] <scientes> eps, re: nvidia-current, i even moved to 302 or what-not, and my card was still totally broken, it broke a month before precise release
[03:29] <scientes> so i just use nouveau which blows on this card
[03:30] <eps> Unfortunately, nVidia's forums are down at the moment.
[03:40] <Darkwing> eps: Yeah, I've already been in contact with the co-founders. They are looking forward to turning it over to someone.
[03:41] <bkerensa> philipballew_: sup
[03:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: have you not found one yet?
[03:43] <bkerensa> a hotel?
[03:44] <pleia2> bkerensa: I didn't try very hard :) now looking
[03:44] <bkerensa> kk
[05:01] <pleia2> there, rooms
[05:02] <pleia2> staying near the airport first night, and a hotel downtown for thurs and fri
[05:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: you come in Wednesday right?
[05:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: wednesday night, so I won't really be around until Thursday morning
[05:16] <pleia2> (I have work Mon-Wed)
[05:16] <bkerensa> pleia2: Ping me if you need any directions or such
[05:16] <bkerensa> MAX is much easier than BART :P
[05:16] <bkerensa> and safer
[05:17] <pleia2> thanks :)
[05:17] <bkerensa> Cabs are usually very expensive
[05:18] <bkerensa> koolhead17 paid $30 to go a couple blocks
[05:18] <bkerensa> :P
[05:18] <pleia2> I actually have to get to another hotel thursday morning before the conference, so I might just cab it from one hotel to another since I'll have luggage :\
[05:18] <bkerensa> Try to get RadioCab
[05:18] <pleia2> ok
[05:18] <bkerensa> not Broadway Cab ever.... they have non-english speaking somali drivers mostly who will take you on a ride
[05:18] <bkerensa> =/
[05:18] <pleia2> so that's the one koolhead17 took? :)
[05:19] <bkerensa> I think he just took a flat rate one
[05:19] <pleia2> ah
[05:19] <bkerensa> They have some that are flat rate to downtown
[05:22] <pleia2> a cabby in NYC took me for a ride once (during HOPE actually), but I was only out $20 so it wasn't a huge deal coming from Philly where that would have been normal
[05:22] <pleia2> I didn't realize until later that I had overpaid
[05:23] <bkerensa> heh... I'm local and a Broadway cab took me and my fiancee a city in the wrong direction when we asked to simply go to our local mall... We asked several times for him to pull over so we could call another cab
[05:23] <bkerensa> in the end it cost us $40+ more
[05:23] <pleia2> yuck :(
[05:24] <bkerensa> We switched to Radio Cab after that since they only seem to have english speaking drivers but now we zipcar :)
[05:24] <pleia2> zipcar++
[06:00] <pleia2> philipballew__: I am loling at your tweets (oh my gosh, where are you staying?!)
[06:02] <philipballew__> in the getho here at a comfort inn. I was offered weed like 5 times in the block from the light rail to the hotel
[06:02] <philipballew__> its like 4 miles from the convention center
[06:03] <philipballew__> I really have nothing going on till wednesday so I have just been roaming around Portland but now I came back here and its kinda different then Auburn...
[06:03] <bkerensa> yeah Mark picked a bad motel
[06:03] <bkerensa> :P
[06:03] <bkerensa> anything East of 82nd Avenue is not good for living
[06:04] <philipballew__> I told a person on the bus its where I was getting off at, and she looked twice at me, then asked why.
[06:05] <pleia2> oh my :)
[06:05] <philipballew__> but they have free breakfast!
[06:05] <bkerensa> philipballew_: yeah I told Mark and the Fedora folks but Noooo they didnt want any help from a Local :P
[06:05] <philipballew__> Totally gonna get some breakfast tomorrow :)
[06:06] <bkerensa> philipballew_: where?
[06:06] <bkerensa> :P
[06:06] <bkerensa> oh at motel?
[06:06] <bkerensa> :d
[06:06] <philipballew__> the comfort inn
[06:06] <philipballew__> Its free :)
[06:06] <bkerensa> likely continental
[06:06] <bkerensa> so Donuts and OJ
[06:06] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:06] <philipballew__> youd think rh would put them up downtown
[06:06] <bkerensa> nah
[06:07] <bkerensa> its pretty packed till like Thurs and Friday
[06:07] <bkerensa> all the hotels next to OCC are sold out completely right now
[06:07] <philipballew__> hum, well the econo lodge  of mlk has room
[06:07] <bkerensa> which is better
[06:08] <bkerensa> better than Koolhead17's econo lodge :P
[06:08] <philipballew__> yeah, im not sure what is better
[06:08] <philipballew__> that had a jack in the box next to it
[06:09] <philipballew__> and since the beef is not real beef, he was able to have some
[06:09] <bkerensa> http://goo.gl/maps/diwM
[06:09] <darthrobot> [R: maps.google.com] Title: [Portland Gang Territory - Google Maps]
[06:09] <bkerensa> :D
[06:09] <philipballew__> bkerensa, don't worry, Im an og
[06:09] <bkerensa> philipballew_: not real?
[06:10] <bkerensa> philipballew_: yeaaaaah.... I'm not going walking in bad neighborhoods with you again :P
[06:10]  * bkerensa remembers you throwing up gang signs to a car full of African Americans :P
[06:10] <pleia2> really, it took me like 1.5 hours to get my hotel situation sorted this late, I got the *last* room in the Sheraton by the airport for wed night
[06:10] <pleia2> (and only via hotels.com, their own website was sold out)
[06:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: its not bad at all
[06:11] <philipballew__> bkerensa, I gotta represent my crew
[06:12]  * bkerensa is getting breakfast at OSCON I think
[06:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I think I did fine hotel wise
[06:13] <pleia2> what is the food situation at oscon?
[06:13] <bkerensa> uhh
[06:13] <pleia2> I actually looked on the site earlier, but it was unclear :)
[06:13] <philipballew__> bkerensa,  I have pizza for lunch if anyone needs any
[06:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: so do you have a pass? and what kind?
[06:13] <pleia2> You are registered for 3-Day Pass (Wed-Fri).
[06:13] <bkerensa> ahh
[06:14] <pleia2> * Lunch (Wed-Thu)
[06:14] <bkerensa> so you should be able to get lunch those days
[06:14] <pleia2> ah
[06:14] <pleia2> yeah
[06:14] <bkerensa> and also all parties have food
[06:14]  * pleia2 nods
[06:14] <bkerensa> so that covers dinner... at least for me it does generally
[06:14] <bkerensa> Speakers get a lounge that has cold beverages and food all day plus breakfast :)
[06:14] <pleia2> I'm more worried about logistics than cost (I should find my own breakfast)
[06:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: so there are a lot of options within walking distance of the OCC
[06:15] <pleia2> that's good :)
[06:16] <bkerensa> Burgerville makes pretty decent breakfast and uses all local meat, eggs, cheese, veggies
[06:16] <bkerensa> :D
[06:16] <pleia2> cool
[06:16] <bkerensa> so philipballew_ you know the room that they do CLS in?
[06:18] <bkerensa> pleia2: are u going to the zoo while here?
[06:18] <pleia2> bkerensa: maybe :)
[06:18] <philipballew__> i think this whole city is a zoo
[06:18] <bkerensa> lol
[06:18] <bkerensa> philipballew_: you should go ZooBombing
[06:18] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoobomb
[06:18] <darthrobot> Title: [Zoobomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[06:18] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:18] <pleia2> not actually sure what I'm doing with the friends on Saturday, zoo would be good
[06:18] <pleia2> philipballew__: hahah
[06:19] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg
[06:19] <darthrobot> Title: [Dream of the 90s - Portlandia on IFC - YouTube]
[06:19] <bkerensa> ^ pleia2 you see that ever?
[06:20] <pleia2> nope
[06:20] <bkerensa> lol
[06:20] <philipballew__> i prefer the dream of the suburbs is alive in Vancouver myself.
[06:21] <bkerensa> philipballew_: =/ The Couv is horrible....  "Go by street car"
[06:25] <bkerensa> philipballew_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzkEwPZWALA
[06:25] <darthrobot> Title: [Best Marriage Proposal EVER. -Portland Oregon (High Quality) - YouTube]
[06:25] <philipballew__> seems nice
[06:26] <philipballew__> I dont drive first
[06:26] <philipballew__> in fact, when I drove all those people home this morning, that was the first in several weeks
[06:26] <philipballew__> I should drive mo often
[06:27] <bkerensa> philipballew_: you drove Mark and his Entourage home?
[06:27] <philipballew__> yeah, I was the dd
[06:28] <philipballew__> mark was off with someone but I drove everyone else
[06:28] <philipballew__> Im pretty sure they have no idea though
[06:28] <bkerensa> lol
[06:28] <philipballew__> as they probably were not aware if what was going on
[07:02] <bkerensa> ohhh I found a sloppy bug :D
[19:09] <epikvision> hey guys, how do you install wordpress in ubuntu?
[19:11] <akk> I've never done it, but I would guess: sudo apt-get install wordpress
[19:11] <akk> There is a package for it.
[19:11] <epikvision> ok
[19:11] <epikvision> i downloaded the .tar.gz package
[19:11] <epikvision> is there a way to install from the desktop?
[19:12] <pleia2> if you download the tarball just follow the directions at http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress
[19:12] <darthrobot> Title: [Installing WordPress « WordPress Codex]
[19:12] <pleia2> (I don't use the package because I like running the latest version, the package in Ubuntu is an older version + security patches)
[19:13] <akk> But if you're unfamiliar with tar and installing tarballs, you might have better luck by sticking with the Ubuntu package.
[19:13] <epikvision> true.
[19:13] <pleia2> yeah, just read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/ to properly set it up in Ubuntu
[19:13] <akk> Ubuntu packages take care of dependencies and often handle minor installation details for you.
[19:14] <akk> (on the downside, they're not quite as current, so if you need something cutting edge in the absolute latest WP builds, you might need tha tarball.)
[19:15] <epikvision> I took akk's suggestion and installed wordpress.  If I install the tarball now, will it update the installed package?
[19:15] <akk> No.
[19:16] <akk> It'll most likely install a second completely different version in a different place.
[19:16] <epikvision> XD
[19:16] <akk> And maybe set things up so that both of them are running at startup.
[19:16] <epikvision> i'm gonna give the tarball a go.  How do I uninstall?
[19:16] <akk> apt-get purge wordpress
[19:16] <akk> add a sudo in front of that
[19:17] <epikvision> for the tar command, tar -xzvf, what does the x, z, v, and f stand for?
[19:17] <epikvision> just curious.
[19:18] <epikvision> oh wait!
[19:18] <epikvision> I'll use the man.
[19:18] <akk> \o/
[19:18] <pleia2> man pages can be hard to parse, but when it comes to looking up what flags mean - yes, you should use the man page :)
[19:19] <akk> And reading man pages is a good skill to learn.
[19:24] <epikvision> I hear that there are two ways to host a website: either having your own server or using a hosting provider.  What's the benefit of either?
[19:25] <akk> Having your own server: you have control over everything. Using someone else's server: it's not your fault when it breaks (or your job to fix it).
[19:25] <epikvision> guess there's a lot of manual work in owning a server.
[19:26] <akk> It's not that different from the work in a desktop -- either way you have to keep it updated and fix things that break.
[19:26] <akk> It's just a little more stressful with a server, because it HAS to have security updates, and if it breaks, no one can see your website until you fix it.
[19:26] <akk> (or you can't read your mail until you fix it, if it's a mail problem)
[19:27] <akk> I kept my website on a home server for years, but finally moved it to a hosting place because our DSL would go down when we were traveling
[19:27] <pleia2> there are also levels of "hosting provider" - you can get everything from a completely unmanaged server that someone else just physicaly runs (as a physical or virtual machine) where you get root, to a simple web-hosting account where all you get is a wordpress admin login
[19:27] <akk> and there's no way to fix that, so it was stress and depression on trips until we could get home and power-cycle the modem or call AT&T or whatever.
[19:29]  * epikvision sees
[19:30] <akk> epikvision: If your goal is to learn and play around with server stuff, running your own server is probably the way to go.
[19:30] <epikvision> O.O and buying the server itself?
[19:30] <epikvision> It would be an interesting experience.
[19:30] <akk> If your goal is to get a real website up that users will be using regularly, then it's worth considering both options.
[19:31] <akk> Buying? A server is just a computer -- you can use your desktop, or an old machine you've retired, or whatever.
[19:31] <akk> It's not like you need some special super breed of computer to be a server.
[19:32] <akk> Our home server right now is an old netbook we got on ebay for $200 or so ... before that it was a 6-year-old low-power Via board with no case.
[19:32] <akk> Here's the old Via machine (though it's no longer serving that domain): http://timocharis.com/doodles/server/index.html
[19:32] <darthrobot> Title: [The Physical Reality Of Timocharis.com]
[19:33] <pleia2> aww :)
[19:33] <pleia2> "my server hangs on my wall"
[19:33] <akk> I was a little sad to give up the "secure server"
[19:33] <akk> but the netbook is a lot faster and a little more power efficient.
[19:34] <akk> (We're nuts about power efficiency -- heck, the new machine is probably saving us 7 cents or so per month!!)
[19:34] <pleia2> hehe
[19:34] <akk> (obviously it's not about the cost)
[19:35] <scientes> akk, i use a sheevaplug as email server
[19:35] <pleia2> I keep browsing ARM boards for a low-power option to put in my fiance's colo space, he's got tons of bandwidth but just a little power...most of which is being used up by his giant 1U Xeon server
[19:36] <pleia2> so I can have space, if I use hardly any power :)
[19:36] <scientes> ahh yeah, get something omap w/ sata
[19:36] <scientes> or rather marvell w/ sata, like armada chipset
[19:38] <akk> We have a couple of plug computers (Marvell/arm) but don't run any servers off them. They can be kind of a pain to deal with.
[19:38] <scientes> well the armv7 ones are much faster
[19:38] <akk> My last job was at a company that used those, but not as public-facing web servers.
[19:38] <scientes> and sata is also neccicary
[19:40] <scientes> pleia2, you use powertop on the server?
[19:42] <pleia2> scientes: I'm not sure if he does
[19:43] <scientes> it tells you what processes are waking up the kernel and costing power
[19:44] <pleia2> yeah, I've used it before :)
[19:45] <pleia2> (mostly on laptops though, until now I haven't worried much about server power consumption since at work we don't have a limit)
[19:46] <scientes> you get a little more info on laptops, through acpi, about current power consumption, that you dont get on most desktops
[19:46]  * pleia2 nods
[19:50] <akk> Thanks for the reminder, I'd been meaning to do some powertop runs on the new netbook. Ubuntu seems to be getting rather poor battery life there.
[19:57] <akk> Actually the new powertop in pangolin is a lot harder to read, and no longer gives helpful suggestions. :(
[19:58] <akk> But there seems to be a big problem with the audio codec hwC0D0, whatever that means.
[20:03] <akk> 7.4W in squeeze, 8.89W in pangolin and toggling the "bad" tuneables doesn't seem to make any difference.
[20:08] <scientes> ouch ruby 1.8 is eating my battery
[20:08] <scientes> anyone know if there is a fix for cruby 1.8?
[20:08] <scientes> **power
[20:08] <scientes> no battery
[20:10] <akk> It must be ruby running some program - ruby is just a language.
[20:10] <scientes> akk, no i looked it up, the interpreter pool for it implamentation of green threads
[20:11] <akk> I have no ruby running at all.
[20:11] <scientes> yeah this is a server serving up rails
[20:11] <akk> ah
[20:11] <scientes> i absolutely need ruby 1.8
[20:12] <akk> yes, that does kind of need ruby :)
[20:12] <scientes> well ruby1.9 is probably good
[20:12] <scientes> but i need ruby 1.8, cause its legaly rails 2.3
[20:12] <scientes> *legacy
[20:14] <akk> ruby/rails versions used to be a big headache ... not sure if they still are.
[20:14] <akk> I remember on ubuntu I used to have to install nearly everything from source, because rails needed gems that ubuntu and debian didn't package.
[20:15] <akk> (and people who asked for them to be packaged got rudely insulted in the bug system)
[20:24] <scientes> akk, that pretty much how the ruby world works
[20:24] <scientes> even python is generally run that way with virtualenv
[20:40]  * akk gives up and goes back to squeeze, pangolin's powertop isn't giving any helpful suggestions about why pangolin eats so much power
[21:11] <scientes> akk, powertop 2 is in unstable, and i managed to compile from source on centos 6.2
[21:13] <akk> Will powertop 2 bring back some of the things the old powertop used to have?
[21:14] <akk> I'm finding this 1.97 a lot less useful than the old one.
[21:14] <akk> It has all these screens, but none of them give the info that the single screen used to.
[21:22] <scientes> idk i never used the old one
[21:25] <scientes> the new one segfaults on start on arm
[21:25] <scientes> unlike the old one
[21:25] <scientes> there is a patch on the bts
[21:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: you around?
[21:33] <epikvision> any developers around?
[21:33] <epikvision> 'cuz I need help trying to fix my first bug.
[21:35] <DonkeyHotei> so you need more specifically developers skilled in the spay/neuter of insects, then
[21:35] <epikvision> haha, yes
[21:36] <epikvision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1022935
[21:36] <darthrobot> Title: [Bug #1022935 “libpurple0 package description typo” : Bugs : “pidgin” package : Ubuntu]
[21:51] <scientes> epikvision, make it just suggest tcl and tk


[09:22] <psivaa> cjwatson: reported bug #1233056 for saucy server installs, occurring on the images produced soon after saucy beta2..
[09:23] <psivaa> hmm.. i've reported against base-installer but dont seem to see any recent changes..
[09:23] <psivaa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/1233056
[09:23] <cjwatson> Looks like out-of-sync kernel again
[09:23] <cjwatson> I'll check
[09:23] <psivaa> cjwatson: ack
[09:23] <cjwatson> It's certainly not a base-installer bug
[09:24] <psivaa> yea, thought as much
[09:24] <cjwatson> Odd, though, because I checked and d-i had been updated for the new kernel
[09:24] <cjwatson> (I checked on Saturday IIRC)
[11:27] <cjwatson> psivaa: can't reproduce with current saucy-server-i386.iso
[11:29] <psivaa> cjwatson: hmm, strange, the smoke tests with 20130930 failed with the same error and i tried manually with 20130928 amd64 and was able to reproduce
[11:29] <psivaa> let me try with current i386
[11:29] <cjwatson> Yeah, I see the failure.  Was wondering if it might be something odd about the strange way the smoke tests are set up (IIRC they do some of the boot process manually)
[11:30] <cjwatson> I'm not surprised that 20130928 failed, but I think it ought to have been fixed since then
[11:30] <cjwatson> I'll grab amd64 too on the off-chance
[11:34] <psivaa> cjwatson: tried manually and see the same failure with today's i386 installation, (on libvirt/kvm ) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6175225/
[11:34] <cjwatson> Blink, why didn't that happen for me
[11:35] <psivaa> :)
[11:35] <cjwatson> I'll look harder, thanks :-/
[11:36] <psivaa> yw
[11:36] <cjwatson> This still works perfectly for me
[11:37] <cjwatson> Oh, wait, I'm on an outdated image despite having just rsynced it
[11:37]  * cjwatson reboots reality
[11:37] <cjwatson> Ah!  current vs. pending
[11:41] <psivaa> cjwatson: yea, it does not make a lot of sense to promote amd64+mac to /current whilst keeping i386 and amd64 in /pending
[11:42] <cjwatson> That's a different problem
[11:42] <cjwatson> amd64+mac needs to be slaved to amd64 somehow; Adam mentioned that to me a few days ago
[11:42] <cjwatson> But my confusion was just not driving my own scripts correctly
[12:49] <psivaa> cjwatson: the bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/1233056) says you could not reproduce.. is that an old message or are you still not able to reproduce?
[12:49] <cjwatson> That's an old message
[12:50] <cjwatson> I think it's a stale lock on cdimage - retrying
[12:51] <psivaa> ack
[14:10] <cjwatson> psivaa: fixed per smoke test output
[14:10]  * cjwatson closes the bug
[14:16] <psivaa> cjwatson: thanks


[00:07] <RAOF> Sarvatt: So, the question with nouveau_vieux is twofold: (1) Do we actually have the CD space to ship it by default, and (2) is it stable enough?
[00:07] <RAOF> With bonus (3): do we really want to add this feature by default after beta :)
[08:40] <alf__> Hi! Are there any experimental packages for Mesa 7.9 somewhere?
[08:42] <vish> alf__: there is a mesa7.9 ppa from Sarvatt  , might be what you are looking for
[08:43] <alf__> vish: Great, thanks!
[09:58] <RAOF> alf__: There's also xorg-edgers if you don't care to follow what will (hopefully!) be in Maverick, or ppa:raof/mesa-egl.
[12:26] <ari-tczew> Sarvatt, around?
[15:13] <Sarvatt> tseliot: 256.52 got rereleased as 256.53 and marked stable it looks like - http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-256.53-driver.html . also got a little patch to make nvidia work on 2.6.36 i'm going to throw in the x-updates package - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/nvidia-2.6.36-ioctl.patch
[15:14] <Sarvatt> no announcement on nvnews.net forums about it and no nvidia-settings tag in git yet though
[15:14] <tseliot> Sarvatt: yes, I had noticed the new release on phoronix but I wasn't aware of the existence of that patch. I'd still prefer to wait until I talk to Nvidia about the driver
[15:15] <Sarvatt> no worries, I'm going to hold off updating x-updates anyway since its the same driver and I dont want conflicting orig.tar.gz's in there :)
[15:17] <tseliot> good
[15:20] <Sarvatt> 1.3kb in kernel/nv-kernel.o and the version change in the makefile is the only difference
[15:23] <tseliot> it's likely that they simply marked the driver as stable by adding some signature
[16:04] <ari-tczew> Sarvatt, after upgrade to nvidia 256.52 from x-updates, my gdm won't login
[16:04] <Sarvatt> what do the logs say?
[16:05] <Sarvatt> i'm guessing could not find nvidia kernel module?
[16:05] <Sarvatt> do you have headers installed for the kernel you booted? did dkms install it right?
[16:05] <bjsnider> everything's fine here, so it's specific to his system
[16:05] <ari-tczew> Sarvatt, it's not nvidia issue
[16:06] <Sarvatt> what kernel are you using?
[16:07] <ari-tczew> Sarvatt, -19.28
[16:07] <ari-tczew> Sarvatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/486339/
[16:07] <bjsnider> Can't open /home/ari/.profile
[16:07] <Sarvatt> yah that just says it failed, check /etc/gdm/:0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[16:08] <ari-tczew> but .profile file exist!
[16:09] <bjsnider> is it executable?
[16:10] <ari-tczew> bjsnider, I don't know. here is it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/486341/
[16:11] <bjsnider> well i don't know if that's the cause of the problem or not
[16:12] <bjsnider> mine has 755 permissions
[16:12] <bjsnider> the content of the file is fine
[16:12] <ari-tczew> bjsnider, I can't check this one now, because I'm on windows xp now.
[16:14] <bjsnider> line 34 of /etc/gdm/Xsession says test -f "$HOME/.profile" && . "$HOME/.profile"
[16:15] <bjsnider> so it seems like it's stopping at that point because that command didn't return the right results
[16:15] <bjsnider> so you need to go back into ubuntu and fix that file
[16:15] <bjsnider> i suppose
[16:34] <tseliot> Sarvatt: does the radeon DDX driver in xorg-edgers cause problems with Unity?
[20:43] <Sarvatt> am I on he right track here for backporting mesa to lucid which doesn't have regex support in dpkg-gensymbols? http://pastebin.com/THW7gA74 I haven't been able to find any info on what to do in this situation in any of the library packaging guides and just went off of what was done in libdrm-radeon1
[20:45] <jcristau> just don't mention the private symbols in the symbols file
[20:45] <Sarvatt> and man, sandybridge is in *rough* shape. managed to get a KMS+intel ddx desktop up eventually but GL is rendering all black
[20:46] <Sarvatt> oh, even easier then! thanks
[20:46] <jcristau> especially for a ppa where nothing should be built against it anyway


[11:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4743 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now


[20:01] <tintou> Hello there,
[20:01] <tintou> All of my Mantic packages are stuck at libc-bin https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+recipebuild/3604052 is it a know issue with the runners?
[22:35] <rbasak> Sorry, I set https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1993290 to In Progress by mistake, but cannot change it back to Triaged.
[22:35] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 1993290 in Launchpad itself "git repository ACLs do not support a 'person who can upload this package' type" [High, In Progress]


[00:24] <thor77> hey, is anyone using nginx + munin + fcgi?
[00:24] <thor77> i dont get it running..
[00:25] <thor77> im following this doc http://munin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/example/webserver/nginx.html#using-fastcgi
[00:25] <thor77> but if i try to start the fcgi-process it says "spawn-fcgi: child exited with: 2"
[00:27] <holms> hello, how can I include config file (with env vars) into upstart script
[00:35] <holms> is this channel for solving issues =/?
[00:36] <thor77> its for support i think
[00:36] <holms> so when is working hours :D
[00:37] <thor77> looks like not now :P
[00:37] <holms> ok seems to be here's an answer http://serverfault.com/questions/128605/have-upstart-read-environment-from-etc-environment-for-a-service
[00:48] <Sierra> Got an ubuntu server that's displaying this when we attempt to boot it: 'Error: file not found'. And on the next line, it shows 'Grub rescue'. I've already done some research and determined I need to run a boot repair while running off an ubuntu disk, but I havent found a definite answer on what could have caused this. Any ideas?
[01:16] <MassReflex> hey everyone
[01:17] <SchrodingersScat> hey MassReflex
[01:18] <MassReflex> i have a few issues that im trying to wrap my head around
[01:19] <MassReflex> first question..  if i set up a vpn and rout all traffic through it..  how would it effect my servers running.. for instance.. on my ubunut sever.. i run plex media server
[01:20] <MassReflex> would plex still use my local network...  or would it pipe through the internet and what not
[01:21] <MassReflex> and second.. i was hoping someone could help me with using iptables to block all traffic from an app except for on ip's of 10.8.x.x - 10.9.x.x
[07:11] <X123> hrm
[07:11] <X123> 6 hrs of quiet?
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:36] <afl_ext> Hello. Is it possible to force squid to connect to world from particular virtual device, in this case tun0?
[10:10] <cocoa117> is there a way to create vlan on ethernet card without installing vlan package?
[11:45] <afl_ext> Hello. I have set up ubuntu from mini.iso on virtualbox - host is ubuntu too - and it boots to black screen. No grub, not even a blinking cursor. The same behaviour occurs on host but it finally shows desktop when X got initialized, but absolutely nothing before. What happens? I can SSH that server because I guessed its IP
[15:48] <hxm> hello
[15:48] <lordievader> Hey hxm
[15:48] <hxm> i have installed trusty in a powerpc G4 apple macbook pro, and i have no ethernet
[15:48] <lordievader> hxm: Is the nic listed under lspci?
[15:48] <lordievader> With a driver?
[15:50] <hxm> it is
[15:50] <hxm> Ethernet controler: Apple Inc. UniNorth 2 GMAC
[15:50] <lordievader> hxm: That is good, does 'ip link' show it?
[15:51] <hxm> it does
[15:51] <hxm> says state DOWN when the cable is connected
[15:52] <lordievader> hxm: Does 'ip link set dev <eth0?> up" fix that?
[15:52] <lordievader> Replace <eth0?> with the actual interface.
[15:53] <hxm> nope, same message, i go to connect direct to router with other cable
[15:54] <lordievader> hxm: What does dmesg say about it?
[15:58] <hxm> i see some errors about api see some messages with no error details, but it is trying to link up
[15:58] <hxm> im trying to find the |
[16:02] <hxm> ah, works now, ip link set dev eth0 says state UP
[16:02] <hxm> but still no ip
[16:13] <hxm> works, not sure how
[16:13] <hxm> i restarted 2 times
[16:16] <lordievader> hxm: Setting the up state doesn't give the nic an ip, you need to do an dhcp request for that (<-- applies if not static set up).
[16:17] <hxm> installing the isc-dhcp-server package?
[16:20] <lordievader> hxm: No, running dh-client. Or whatever Ubuntu uses.
[16:20] <lordievader> dhclient, it is.
[16:26] <hxm> yea, dh-client is a command from package isc-dhcp-client
[16:26] <hxm> thanks
[16:28] <lordievader> That should already be installed.
[18:14] <jrwren> hello, is there any effort to make start-stop-daemon cgroup aware? e.g. stop/restart of any service which is also running in a lxc fails because start-stop-daemon sees the service already running.
[18:15] <sarnold> jrwren: hmm, seems very complicated; what problem are you trying to solve?
[18:16] <jrwren> sarnold: "service mongodb start" fails on host if there is already a mongodb running in an lxc guest.
[18:17] <sarnold> jrwren: why does it fail?
[18:17] <jrwren> sarnold: "already running"
[18:18] <jrwren> sarnold: afaict, start-stop-daemon looks at all running processes cmdline and if one matches, it fails with already running.
[18:18] <sarnold> jrwren: damn. I was hoping it'd gve a more specific error message
[18:18] <sarnold> jrwren: -really-?? eww.
[18:19] <jrwren> sarnold: I'm thinking maybe /etc/init/mongodb.conf should be updated to use mognod --pidfilepath and that same path could pass to start-stop-daemon --pidfile
[18:19] <jrwren> sarnold: i'm going to try it, since it sounds like cgroup aware start-stop-daemon is not a thing.
[18:19] <smoser> hallyn, is there a recommended way of saying "get me the sane qemu-system-ARCH package" ?
[18:20] <smoser> i guess maybe not that important as to use it i'd still have to know to run qemu-system-ARCH
[18:21] <sarnold> jrwren: looks like it might be fixable in the initscript for mongodb: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718702
[18:25] <hallyn> smoser: no.  i think infinity has mentioned that before
[18:27] <jrwren> sarnold: excellent, I'm on the right track.
[18:31] <sarnold> jrwren: woo :)
[18:32] <cydizen> cydizen
[18:32] <cydizen> cydizen
[19:15] <xcyclist> I am trying to convert an apache file from a vi edit on Ubuntu to be used on Windows Server, and when I download the attachment from Outlook it has no newlines or otherwise is somehow all run together.
[19:15] <xcyclist> I use unix2dos, but I still get this problem.
[19:15] <xcyclist> unix2dos before emailing to the server as an attachment.
[19:17] <sarnold> xcyclist: those kinds of programs can get confused if there are some unix-style line endings and some dos-style line-endings; try running dos2unix on the file twice then unix2dos on the file.
[19:17] <R1ck> heya. We've had a number of 14.04 vmware nodes that since 3.13.0-44-generic are experiencing random lockups. Is anything known about this, or where do I go to find out more?
[19:18] <bekks> R1ck: "14.04 vmware nodes" - do you mean "Ubuntu 14.04 running VMware Workstation"?
[19:18] <R1ck> no, I mean 14.04 LTS guests running on ESXi hosts
[19:19] <bekks> Ah ok. I'd install linux-generic-lts-utopic as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack then.
[19:22] <R1ck> okay, and why exactly? :)
[19:22] <R1ck> for now we have downgraded the affected hosts to 3.13.0-43 which doesnt seem to have the issue
[19:22] <bekks> Because thats the current LTS stack.
[19:22] <shauno> xcyclist: I believe apache on windows has no problems with such line-endings.  they mostly affect humans.  if you use something like notepad++ (or even wordpad!) instead of windows' notepad, your problems should magically disappear
[19:23] <sarnold> R1ck: please do file a bug :)
[19:27] <R1ck> bekks: thats the bit I dont understand, if those are the "real" LTS kernels, why are we not getting those updates automatically?
[19:28] <bekks> Because kernels arent updated automatically, especially when talking about hardware enablement stacks.
[19:28] <R1ck> as far as I can tell, they are the kernels from 14.10, which isnt an LTS release
[19:29] <R1ck> I think we're misunderstanding eachother.. I've gotten plenty kernel updates, automatically (unattended-upgrades)
[19:29] <bekks> The are ported to 14.04, and supported like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[19:32] <R1ck> after googling a bit, it looks like those kernels are ported to support newer hardware
[19:35] <R1ck> I'll go install linux-generic-lts-utopic on these two nodes, see if they remain unaffected
[19:35] <sarnold> I hope it works out, but please don't forget that bug report
[19:35] <sarnold> it's probably easier to file before upgrading them :)
[19:36] <JanC> xcyclist: you should probably run unix2dos on Windows, not on linux
[19:38] <R1ck> sarnold: bit difficult though.. we haven't gotten a specific memorydump or something
[19:38] <R1ck> but I definately will
[19:39] <R1ck> best I can do is a screenshot of a partial kernel panic
[19:40] <sarnold> anything helps :)
[19:40] <xcyclist> shauno:  I somehow got it with unix2dos after changing the filename and trying again.  I fear I may have been suffering from latency with gmail.  Apologies.
[19:41] <xcyclist> JanC:  No, when I ran it on Linux, I eventually got something that worked.
[19:42] <JanC> xcyclist: oh, good
[19:43] <JanC> xcyclist: I was wondering if maybe whatever you were using to mail it was "sanitizing" it  :)
[21:30] <koolhead17> hello all
[21:30]  * koolhead17 wonders if oldies are still holding up ^^
[21:52] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I can't seem to get httprequest to work in ubuntu server
[23:11] <marc____> hi everybody
[23:11] <marc____> I need an advice
[23:12] <marc____> I have a couple of raspberry pis that I use as low power servers at home
[23:13] <marc____> when I got them I installed arch linux on them because raspbian came with GUI packages pre-installed and I preferred to start from a minimal configuration and add packages as I needed them instead of removing the packages form a default gui installation
[23:14] <marc____> now, tomorrow I'll get two raspberry pi 2 and I saw that there is an image of ubuntu snappy core for it
[23:15] <marc____> arch is no longer an option because it could take a long time until the board is supported by archlinux-arm
[23:17] <marc____> now the piece of advice for which I came here, is the following: is it possible to install ubuntu server directly without needing to pass through raspbian? did anyone try this before? (being an ARMv7 it would seem reasonable)
[23:17] <marc____> but I have no experience with debian and the raspberry pi
[23:19] <marc____> moreover the ubuntu snappy core is a bit confusing to me... it seems that there are very few packages and that one cannot use apt-get... but is this true also inside a container? could I install any debian package inside a contaier?
[23:20] <shauno> I can't answer this (personally, I'd expect to see ubuntu-armv7, debian-armv7 images appear sooner than you may think).  but I will point out there's a #snappy channel who may be better to answer specifics
[23:20] <marc____> thanks shauno!
[23:20] <sarnold> marc____: fwiw, I don't think snappy is -quite- there unless you're interested in helping develop snappy; hopefully there's a more traditional server image available for it ..
[23:24] <marc____> sarnold: yup, I saw it was in alpha... maybe you are right, I could go for the raspbian and remove some packages, or as shauno suggest wait a bit to see if an ubuntu-armv7 images comes out...
[23:48] <marc___> bye guys, and thanks again for your help!


[00:28] <micahg> ScottL: both are possible
[00:29] <charlie-tca> and all I wanted was alternate images that work... :(
[00:30] <micahg> charlie-tca: that's harder :P
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's what cjwatson said too
[02:12] <micahg> astraljava: I can do a meta upload later if you need
[02:12]  * micahg is stepping away for a little bit though
[03:01] <ScottL> astraljava, micahg:  if we dont' update the meta it will be okay, the build log will just it can find that package and move on
[03:02] <ScottL> furthermore, if we _do_ expect to get the package into the repos i would just leave it the seeds then


[07:08] <Bray90820> I am having an error with with mythtv after updating to ubuntu 15.04
[07:08] <Bray90820> The front end can't connect to the backend
[07:08] <Bray90820> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8aadabaecfc45e3009d7
[19:43] <Bray90820> How would I check to see if I am running a slave backend
[19:43] <Bray90820> My logs say that I am running a slave backend and the frontend can not connect
[19:43] <Bray90820> May 6 02:57:13 Server mythbackend: mythbackend[19118]: N CoreContext main_helpers.cpp:586 (run_backend) MythBackend: Running as a slave backend.


[11:05] <pillowman> hi
[11:06] <pillowman> First of all thanks to all volunteers for this great lts  ^^
[11:28] <qqmpopo> hi
[11:28] <qqmpopo> is it possible to change the background (set an image/wallpaper) in lxterminal please ? lubuntu 14.04
[13:13] <Silverlion> hey holstein
[13:14] <holstein> Silverlion: o/
[21:46] <tuxmax> how find and install video driver for no video bug
[21:57] <tuxmax> when install lubuntu i think my driver video is not 100% functionnal
[21:57] <tuxmax> how can resolve this
[22:42] <tuxmax> who can help me
[22:43] <wxl> !ask | tuxmax
[22:44] <tuxmax> why have a video bug when browse folder in lubuntu
[22:44] <wxl> have you reported the bug/
[23:04] <wxl> where did ffmpeg go?!
[23:04] <ianorlin> someone decided to replace it with libav
[23:04] <Unit193> wxl: avconf
[23:05] <Unit193> Right, that.  avconv is the tool's name.
[23:05] <wxl> ugh
[23:05] <wxl> why?!
[23:06] <Unit193> Because they're considered about the same.  Can't really remember why Ubuntu went with libav.
[23:06] <wxl> can't find avconf/v
[23:07] <Unit193> libav-tools: /usr/bin/avconv
[23:09] <wxl> ok thanks
[23:19] <tuxmax> how install lubuntu without video bug
[23:21] <wxl> tuxmax: no one understands what you mean when you say "video bug"
[23:22] <tuxmax> i dont see folder in browser but when pass mouse the folder appear
[23:22] <wxl> tuxmax: what do you get from `lspci | grep VGA`?
[23:23] <Unit193> !ca | tuxmax
[23:25] <tuxmax> vga compatible controller : nvidia corporation nv18 (geforce 4 mx 4000)
[23:37] <tuxmax> do i can install a driver for this card?


[01:33] <bubba> I am testing xubuntu
[01:54] <naryfa> Hi, can anyone tell me how to start gnome-power-manager in xfce? Is that even possible?
[02:49] <ramprasadgk> where can i find gparted partition editor on my xubuntu live cd or on a lubuntu installed m/c
[02:53] <slimjimflim> hi, i just tried installing with the latest xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso on a 32bit system and every time i get "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error and will now reboot"
[02:53] <ramprasadgk> looks like yout CD is corrupt
[02:54] <ramprasadgk> reburn disc image
[02:54] <slimjimflim> ya probly
[02:54] <slimjimflim> i can see the mounted filesystem after it fails even, so that would make sense
[02:55] <slimjimflim> is there a way to check the disk from the livecd?
[02:55] <ramprasadgk> yes while partitioning
[02:55] <slimjimflim> er i mean the cd
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> once you boot using ur livecd directly choose partitioning to view
[02:57] <slimjimflim> k
[03:30] <Liam> Greetings. I can't seem to get my ethernet (wired) to work on Xubuntu 11.10. I tried using a cable (fibre broadband, not ADSL) directly into the computer which I use on my stationary, AND I've tried dragging it through a router. Non works. Do someone have a clue?
[03:31] <holstein> Liam: after the router is the ticket.. are you sure its working? does *any* computer connect from the router?
[03:37] <xubuntu612> losing display on xubuntu 12.04
[03:38] <holstein> losing? in what way? maybe the hardware is going bad?
[03:42] <xubuntu612> new install of xubuntu 12.04 - first i lost the ability to change rotation and dpi settings - then i inadvertently clicked on a setting which made the video disappear ( black screen ) - now when i try to log in it gives black screen unless i change something at the session login page
[03:43] <holstein> xubuntu612: what do you change that allows you to loging?
[03:43] <holstein> login*
[03:44] <xubuntu612> i get the option of xcfe or xubuntu - selecting a different one from the previously used usually gets me the display back again
[03:45] <holstein> xubuntu612: ok.. so you change some "setting" that breaks your desktop session, and you are able to choose the other and login.. correct?
[03:46] <xubuntu612> usually yes
[03:46] <holstein> usually?
[03:46] <holstein> xubuntu612: you can boot the live CD if you'd like to really try and see what settings are "breaking" things
[03:46] <MrBushido> anybody know any issues that cause the installer not to actually work? my friend is currently struggling to install any forum of linux ubuntu/xubuntu/mint/etc
[03:47] <xubuntu612> it doesn't always work - sometimes i have to resort to recovery mode and use the repair finction
[03:47] <Liam> My wired connection works properly now. Allthough, I cannot in the name of Mother earth get the wireless to work.
[03:47] <MrBushido> he managed to get getting a try(hd0,1) error saying something about wubildr or something on one try
[03:47] <holstein> MrBushido: bad hard drive.. or memory... or the internet used to download the installer discs.. i would check md5 sums
[03:48] <Liam> I have the right drivers, I followed a guide on how to install b43fwcutter and everything seems right, but is there some way to SCAN for WiFi networks?
[03:48] <Liam> In terminal it says my Network Interface are disabled though.
[03:48] <Liam> Sorry for interfering lads.
[03:48] <holstein> xubuntu612: that would repair a broken config as well. i would load up the live CD... play around there, and learn how to stop breaking your desktop session
[03:49] <holstein> Liam: theres an icon by the time... should show available wifi networks
[03:49] <holstein> Liam: sometimes, i have found i need to reboot to get those broadcom drivers to load
[03:50] <Liam> holstein: Well, it's the Network Manager isn't it? (two arrows). When I pop it open I have 5 sub categorys: Wired, Wireless, Mobile BB, VPN and DSL.
[03:50] <MrBushido> holstein: would a hdd related issue stop the live environment from loading off a usb stick too?
[03:50] <Liam> Where is the "scanner"?
[03:50] <holstein> Liam: its usually just there in the list.. i would reboot if you havent, and go from there..
[03:50] <Liam> I just rebooted. I will try again.
[03:50] <holstein> Liam: lspci will list the card, and you can check the broadcom wiki pages
[03:51] <xubuntu612> ok I'll have another play but can you tell me how to get at the dpi and rotation settings?
[03:51] <Liam> holstein: How was it to kill and restart the Network Manager? I had to hardreboot last time.
[03:51] <holstein> xubuntu612: i use arandr.. but i dont typically change the rotation...
[03:52] <holstein> xubuntu612: the included tool usually works fine.. if you have hardware that is not well supported, it might just be a challenge
[03:52] <holstein> xubuntu612: you can always put an xorg.conf file in place and specify what you like manually...
[03:53] <holstein> Liam: hardboot?
[03:53] <Liam> Holding the powerkey since I got a blackscreen because of "quick splash". Changed it to "nomodeset" and it worked.
[03:53] <holstein> Liam: i typically just install that driver that i think both you and i are assuming you need... then i try the device and restart if needed
[03:53] <Liam> But the Network Manager hangs, and doesn't restart when I hardreboot.
[03:53] <xubuntu612> strange thing is when I first installed all the display options were available and they all worked fine . Now the only option I get is to change the resolutuon (ie 640x480 etc etc )
[03:54] <holstein> xubuntu612: maybe an update broke the display drivers
[03:54] <holstein> xubuntu612: you could tell us what hardware you have.. or you could try booting an earlier kernel
[03:55] <holstein> Liam: i would run lspci in the terminal.. i would cross reference the wifi chipset at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[03:56] <xubuntu612> its a gigabyte x64 mboard with onboard intel graphics - output id hdmi only
[03:56] <Liam> I got the BCM4306
[03:57] <holstein> xubuntu612: i woule expect issues with hdmi graphics..i would try the older kernel listed if there is one, and consider a custom xorg.conf.. i might load up a puppy linux live CD to aid with creating the xorg.conf
[03:58] <holstein> Liam: i would try the others... udo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[03:58] <holstein> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[03:59] <Liam> holstein I will try it out, thank you.
[04:00] <holstein> Liam: it'll "just work".. you wont have to do anything.. when you get the proper drivers, the wifi access points'll just show up there in the network manager
[04:01] <Liam> Ah, I see. Thanks holstein!
[04:05] <Liam__> holstein: It worked! Thanks alot lad.
[04:05] <xubuntu612> OK thanks holstein - i'll need to d/l puppy and put it on a sd card. We cant get cd drives anymore ( well only the few PATA drives that are left in the shops and my board will only take SATA
[04:06] <xubuntu612> also - any idea how i can downgrade the kernel
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> the older kernel should still be in the repos
[04:25] <holstein> xubuntu612: i would just boot the older kernel to test.. you can downgrade in the package manager of your choice
[04:31] <holstein> xubuntu612: you dont need puppy to create an xorg.conf file, i just find it easier.. gives me a starting place
[05:17] <badkitty> help! any one know why an Evo n610c laptop runs super slow on xubuntu and not on kubuntu?
[05:19] <redderhs> i thought xfce would be more efficient than kde..
[05:20] <redderhs> your specs look like you should be able to handle xubuntu fine, but maybe you should wait till someone else comes around to chime in and give some insight, or better yet, maybe try posting on the forums.
[05:21] <redderhs> your comparisons are on actual installs, not live cd right?
[05:30] <well_laid_lawn> also check top in terminal to see if something is using lots of cpu
[05:31] <redderhs> Menu>System>Task Manager If you're not familiar with Terminal
[05:50] <unheeding> i'm trying to centre the bottom panel
[05:50] <unheeding> i've set the seperators on both sides to expand, but it still aligns to the left
[05:52] <unheeding> found it
[05:54] <unheeding> okay i didn't ifnd it
[06:05] <unheeding> okay i found it
[07:12] <fatpudding> Hey, are there any one that have trouble with xpdf after the latest sys updates ? :)
[07:13] <Sysi> you could try some other pdf viewer and/or report a bug
[07:15] <fatpudding> other works, but like xpdf, yes maybe i should
[07:26] <fatpudding> removed the old one and compiled a new version, xpdf back on track
[07:36] <foobArrr> how do I cange window decorations, when using compiz with xfce? gconf-editor?
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> foobArrr: I think you need emerald for that tho I haven't used compiz for a while
[07:38] <foobArrr> gconf-editor -> apps -> metacity -> general -> theme does the trick, but I have to know the name of the theme there.
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> there is #compiz
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[07:39] <foobArrr> well_laid_lawn: isn't emerald deprecated?
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> it is resurrected afaik
[07:39] <foobArrr> tried emerald some time ago, anyway. kept crashing. :/
[07:39] <foobArrr> but thanks
[07:40] <well_laid_lawn> and metacity is not in xubuntu
[07:40] <well_laid_lawn> nor gconf
[07:52] <cousteau> Nvidia card.  The (X)ubuntu splash doesn't show up until the graphic env is completely loaded (so it only displays for a second or so).  Any solution?
[07:52] <cousteau> (a text-based loader, for example)
[08:00] <confrey> hi everybody
[08:01] <confrey> just installed xubuntu 64bit, I'd use unetbootin, but id doesn't work saying anything in terminal, what's missing?
[08:04] <torax> confrey: I had many problems installing from usb key. Things you can try is to format the usb key and try again
[08:05] <confrey> torax: doesn't work anything, neither window apperas
[08:05] <Sysi> confrey: did you install unetbootin from repositories?
[08:07] <confrey> no, from site
[08:10] <Sysi> try with one installed the normal way
[08:12] <confrey> ok, I did it and works now, thanks
[08:54] <david__> can someone help me with a problem I am having with mailmerge in libreoffice?
[08:56] <Unit193> I'd personally try the libreoffice channel, maybe more that have used the function.
[08:57] <david__> i did
[08:57] <david__> not help whatsoever
[08:57] <david__> they didn't even answer my question
[09:04] <redderhs> I don't know to the extent of what you're trying to do nor do I have experience with libreoffice but hopefully this link might help you: http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/589/mail-merge/
[09:04] <david__> thank you
[09:05] <redderhs> You're welcome. Good luck! If the libre channel is completely idle, everyone may be asleep so give them some time to get back to you
[09:13] <recon_lap> bit annoying, BBC radio 6 wont play in rhythmbox on my new computer but works find on my old one, aggh , no good music !!
[09:14] <cousteau> recon_lap, you on the UK?
[09:14] <Sysi> are you missing gstreamer plugins
[09:14] <cousteau> if not, maybe they are IP-blocking you...  they do that with videos
[09:16] <recon_lap> cousteau: no, but the radio is not geolocked, was getting gstreamer dependency errors when rhythmbox tried to auto install the codex, so I used synaptic. now I just get crash reports :(
[09:17] <recon_lap> try it out http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r6_aaclca.pls
[09:19] <cousteau> I don't listen to xenophobic broadcasting companies
[09:19] <recon_lap> aggh, bloody newstalk is depressing me ;)
[09:19] <recon_lap> cousteau: your loss, one of the best radio station around
[09:19] <cousteau> ...I don't listen to news either
[09:20] <cousteau> (PS: just in case you're wondering, the "xenophobic" thing is because I'm still mad from the time they didn't allow me to watch a video because I wasn't British or living on the UK)
[09:21] <Sysi> recon_lap: log out and back in
[09:22] <recon_lap> Sysi: did you change anything, cause I've logged in and out already
[09:27] <recon_lap> the message https://gist.github.com/3793097 from rhythmbox cml
[10:55] <apm1> what version are the intel x.org drivers in xubuntu 12.04.1 ?
[11:06] <recon_lap> apm1: apt-cache policy x.org
[11:07] <apm1> recon_lap,  thanks man :)
[11:09] <apm1> recon_lap, actually my new thinkpad with an intel integrated gpu is arriving tomorrow so i am just excited :)
[11:11] <recon_lap> apm1: know the feeling, nothing like satisfying hardware lust. must say getting a second 22 inch monitor was a good move, so much room !!!
[11:12] <apm1> i heard with intel GMA graphics (mine is a first gen core i7) use only the default open source/free software drivers ? no need to install anything extra except what comes in the generic kernel with xubuntu 12.04.1
[11:13] <apm1> recon_lap, 2*22" monitors  programmer or graphics designer or gamer?
[11:18] <recon_lap> apm1: programmer, and the Intel HD drivers are open source as far as i know.
[11:18] <recon_lap> apm1: and it's just a 22 and a 15.6
[11:19] <apm1> recon_lap, what editor and what language my fellow code master
[11:20] <apm1> recon_lap, but do the opensource intel drivers already come with the generic kernel ?
[11:21] <recon_lap> apm1: well I'v got the HD 4000 and it's using the standard drives, no property ones available
[11:22] <apm1> recon_lap, and my question about the editor and language ?
[11:26] <apm1> well never mind will ask you later , gotta go for now :(
[13:43] <chris92> hey there... can anyone tell me where I can find a netboot.tar.gz for xubuntu? im only finding those for ubuntu :/
[13:43] <TheSheep> chris92: isn't it the same?
[13:43] <chris92> not sure ^^
[13:43] <TheSheep> chris92: just install ubuntu-server and then add xubuntu-desktop to it
[13:44] <chris92> thesheep: thanks!
[14:36] <chris92> TheSheep: are you there?
[15:18] <maj> i cant get adobe flash to work on xubuntu 12.04.1 on an older laptop, both web and software centre versions i tryed
[15:20] <krishong> all versions of 12.04 are not meant for older hardware
[15:20] <TheSheep> krishong: really?
[15:20] <TheSheep> krishong: what are they meant for?
[15:22] <krishong> i've installed ubuntu and xubuntu on a not so old computer and they both come to a crawl
[15:22] <recon_lap> maj : why not tell use the make and model of laptop
[15:26] <krishong> everytime i play video on my xubuntu box, the screen tears and the video stops playing.....any sugestions?
[15:27] <bazhang> what video card
[15:27] <recon_lap> krishong: make and model of laptop?
[15:27] <maj> i hope flash dies soon, so the world will be forced to find alternatives..
[15:28] <holstein> i wouldnt have any issues running 10.04 on older hardware if it worked better
[15:28] <krishong> intel built in video card
[15:28] <recon_lap> maj: installing flash blocker plugin in firefox is a good start
[15:28] <maj> lemme try that
[15:29] <recon_lap> krishong: just tell us the make and model, we promise we wont make fun ;)
[15:30] <maj> recon_lap:thats just to block macromedia flash? not to play youtube flash?
[15:30] <krishong> intel 82845g
[15:30] <recon_lap> maj: it blocks all flash, you have to click on what you want to see
[15:30] <holstein> i might try forcing the vesa driver
[15:31] <recon_lap> maj: works great, trust me :)
[15:32] <recon_lap> maj: it just stop flash loading until you click on it, stops all those annoying flash ads. on you tube you just have to click on the flank you want to see.
[15:33] <krishong> oh, yeah, i don't dare try to play flash....'cause it just hangs
[15:34] <krishong> funny thing is i have none of these issues under windows xp
[15:35] <holstein> krishong: the drivers are different.. if you'd like to ask intel for a proper driver like they provided windows xp 10 years ago, feel free.. but they likely didnt make a "new" driver for windows 8 for that hardware
[15:35] <holstein> krishong: sometimes i try the vesa driver in situations like that
[15:36] <xubuntu687> hello =) i would like to know, if i can get access to my w-lan card just by updating?! the strange thing is, that i can connect through my 3G-usb-dongle but not able to connect through eth0, or scsi.. lspci tells me that the card is: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 43) 02:00.1 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 1fb7 (rev 43) 02:00.2 Netw
[15:38] <krishong> under ubuntu 10.10 things work ok....but with 12.04, totally different story
[15:38] <apm1> who's on 10.10 these days ;)
[15:38] <krishong> went to the intel site, they said they do provide a driver to the open source community
[15:39] <recon_lap> krishong:  seems whats happening is that the intel 82845g card and it's generation is weird when it comes to advanced features which are getting used more and more.
[15:40] <krishong> ....i was hoping things would be smoother under xubuntu, since it's supposed to be "light weight"
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu687: you can always try a live CD and see if a newer kernel supports your device
[15:41] <krishong> i am really trying to get some windows 95 speed on a unix kernel with my box
[15:42] <holstein> krishong: typically, intel is well supported.. but what im saying is, its not constructive to compare XP support
[15:42] <recon_lap> krishong: it's not the weight of the new versions, it's the crappyness of intel graphic chips
[15:42] <xubuntu687> holstein: allready installed xubuntu 12.04.1 =)
[15:42] <holstein> krishong: if it were me, i would try the vesa driver and take the intel driver out of the equation
[15:43] <holstein> xubuntu687: what "upating" are you refering to?
[15:43] <holstein> xubuntu687: a different kernel could provide hardware support... or break it
[15:43] <krishong> there's nothing wrong with the chips as i said things work fine with xp and my box is still fast with xp
[15:44] <holstein> krishong: xp is quite old though... it would be more fair to compare ubuntu 12.04 and windows 7
[15:44] <holstein> krishong: still, you can try the vesa driver to takt the driver out of the equation completely
[15:45] <krishong> how do i install the vesa driver?
[15:46] <xubuntu687> holstein: the one's the system is suggesting to download.. the thing is, that my internet speed for my usb has been cut down, so i can surf with smth like 20 kb.. a 50 MB update is a huge thing for me then.. with W-Lan that would be a farce.. as said, eth0 (cable) would also help me..
[15:47] <holstein> krishong: i usually try testing with a live CD.. something like puppy linux.. you can just specify the vesa driver in a custom xorg.conf. or try an *buntu live cd witn safe graphics mode... "nomodeset"
[15:47] <holstein> krishong: the vesa driver, and the intel driver you are using are both (as well as many others) already "in" the kernel
[15:48] <holstein> krishong: i would troubleshoot with the graphics driver in mind.. could be you can blacklist a module, or install a backport and all is well... i would want to try a 10.04 based version live
[15:49] <recon_lap> xubuntu687: if it a laptop go looking for a free hotspot ?
[15:49] <krishong> xubuntu puts the drivers in the kernel....instead of having an external module for it?
[15:50] <holstein> krishong: linux has the drivers in the kernel.. xubuntu and all the other ubuntu versions utilizes the linux kernel
[15:50] <holstein> krishong: you can always make your own kernel if you'd prefer altering this setup
[15:51] <xubuntu687> recon_lap: that's the point.. i can't activate my w-lan, due to a lack of drivers as I quess..
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu687: im not following the qutestion... if its "should i upgrade my machine even though its a pain", it might be worth the hassle, but theres really no way to know for sure til you do it
[15:52] <recon_lap> xubuntu687: then try follow this guide and fix you wlan
[15:52] <recon_lap> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[15:52] <holstein> xubuntu687: if it were me, i would take that line from lspci and search online.. try and get an idea of what it takes to support that wifi device
[15:52] <krishong> so if the driver in the kernel doesn't with your graphics card then you're screwed!
[15:52] <holstein> krishong: you can blacklist the kernel driver, as i mentioned above
[15:53] <holstein> krishong: if it were me, i would try the vesa driver.. and i would try some 10.04 version live... if the device was supported well in a past kernel, typically it can be supported now easy enough
[15:54] <holstein> krishong: the kernel is constanly updated and upgraded and cant keep "legacy" device support around all the time, though that support can always be added back in
[15:54] <krishong> as i said in the 10.10 version i have no problem
[15:55] <krishong> but legacy support is all what linux is about
[15:55] <holstein> krishong: cool.. so its pretty safe to assume you can find a way to support the device in 12.04.. though, i would have no issues running 10.04 on that hardware
[15:55] <recon_lap> krishong: since when is legacy support all that linux is about??
[15:56] <holstein> krishong: "linux" is a kernel.. and you can build it with whatever support you choose.. mostly, its about providing out of the box support for kernel hardware however
[15:56] <holstein> for current hardware**
[15:56] <holstein> krishong: first thing i would do is search the forums for a post trying to find a user with that hardware trying to use 12.04...
[15:57] <krishong> this is why i am using xubuntu since it's lighter than ubuntu.......12.04 is lighter under xubuntu than it is under ubuntu as i've experienced
[15:57] <bazhang> that card is just not very good
[15:58] <holstein> krishong: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. same kernel.. you are interested in XFCE
[15:58] <bazhang> no amount of "lightness" will erase that fact
[15:58] <holstein> yup.. the hardware support will be likely very similar with all linux's using modern kernels
[15:58] <holstein> again, i would have no issues running 10.04 on that hardware
[15:58] <recon_lap> crappy graphics cards are crappy graphics, no amount of good software will make them work
[15:59] <bazhang> I have that exact card in a thinkpad.  the video is a LOT less clear than an Nvidia recent generation
[15:59] <xubuntu687> holstein & recon_lap: thxs! i will bookmark the "troubleshooting page", do the update however long it might take and search online for what it takes to make the card work..
[16:00] <holstein> xubuntu687: wont hurt to search around before, just in case its easier to make the card work before upgrading
[16:01] <krishong> i know that xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce and ubuntu is ubuntu with unity
[16:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu687: just fix the card first, no reason to do the full update first
[16:02] <recon_lap> krishong: why dont you stay with 10.04?
[16:03] <krishong> the interface sucks
[16:03] <holstein> krishong: you can add XFCE to ubuntu... or use xubuntu 10.04
[16:03] <xubuntu687> ok.. tried that but got stuck with a lot of tech-info, i just didn't quite understand what was meant and how to proceed. started yesterday with that and today after a bit more than 3h thought i could need some help
[16:03] <krishong> just like the interface in 10.10 sucks.....i don't want to see a menu scroll all the way to the bottom of the screen
[16:04] <holstein> krishong: "sucks" i a matter of opinion... you can ask something like "how do i change the menu configuration".. or just use XFCE in 10.04
[16:10] <krishong> anyone know if the linuxmint folks also use kernels with built-in video drivers?
[16:11] <bazhang> !mintsupport | krishong
[16:11] <bazhang> krishong, go ask them
[16:12] <holstein> krishong: the kernels are all linux.. its quite typical for kernels to be modular.. for most folks its a "feature"... blacklisting your kernel module is not a big deal.. though,, i would take the path of least resistance and just run 10.04 if it were me
[16:13] <holstein> krishong: running a stock distro more in line with the age of the machine might just be easier
[16:13] <holstein> im sure you would find the same isssues if you were trying to install windows 7 or 8
[16:14] <krishong> windows 7 is not just about the graphics it's also about ram
[16:15] <bazhang> krishong, lets stick to xubuntu support please
[16:15] <krishong> i am using xubuntu to keep things moving fast on my machine
[16:17] <xubuntu687> @all: thxs for your suggestions. will leave and see if i can get the needed drivers by searching for them through google =)
[16:17] <xubuntu687> cu
[16:17] <recon_lap> np xubuntu687 : come back and ask if you get stuck
[16:18] <krishong> can the vesa drivers be installed through synaptic?
[16:20] <holstein> krishong: the vesa driver are already install and part of the kernel.. you can specify them using a custom xorg.conf file..
[16:20] <holstein> krishong: there is a xubuntu 10.04 version... or you can install ubuntu 10.04 and use XFCE
[16:43] <lib> how do i install ffmpeg on xubuntu?
[16:44] <bazhang> !find ffmpeg
[17:03] <lib> how can i downgrade conky 1.8.1 to 1.8.0?
[18:05] <qwackoze> how to open folder as root please ?
[18:06] <qwackoze> must delete some log files to regain minimal disk space, thanks
[18:07] <holstein> !sudo | qwackoze
[18:08] <holstein> sudo rm /path/to/file or whatever you are trying to do
[18:08] <qwackoze> ok...thanks...so open a terminal in the folder and go from there
[18:09] <holstein> qwackoze: i would just open the terminal, and use sudo to do what needs to be done as root
[18:10] <qwackoze> then would the location for log be...sudo edit /var/log/filename
[18:10] <qwackoze> or the files that I want to delete
[18:10] <qwackoze> I meant
[18:11] <qwackoze> sudo rm  /var/log/filename
[18:13] <holstein> qwackoze: whatever the path is to the particular file you are trying to remove
[18:13] <qwackoze> ok...thanks
[18:54] <bricot> hi guys, I have succesfully connected 2 different A2DP (bluetooth) devices via blueman. But unfortunately it is totally random, if I see them as sinks in pulse-audio.
[18:55] <bricot> Sometimes I see none of them, sometimes one or the other. Never both. If I see them, I can play successfully audio. Has anybody a clue what's wrong?
[18:57] <bricot> I'm using 12.04 btw.
[19:12] <holstein> bricot: you look in pavucontrol ?
[19:16] <bricot> yes. I also tried pacmd. list-sinks shows the same as pavucontrol.
[19:16] <holstein> bricot: i would see that one is showing, then connect the othere device
[19:16] <holstein> bricot: i dont have 2 bt audio devices to test with
[19:21] <bricot> I removed both now and started with one of them. Pairing works. Connecting to sink works. Blueman seems to do it right. But I can't find it in pa.
[19:22] <bricot> After this I did a 'sudo killall pulseaudio' and now this sink shows up.
[19:23] <bricot> And the music plays well on this device...
[19:24] <holstein> bricot: you can check aplay -l
[19:27] <bricot> This just shows the builtin hardware devices (also 2 cards).
[19:29] <holstein> bricot: i just dont have problematic BT hardware to test with... nor an extra device to try and "break" it
[19:29] <holstein> bricot: have you refered to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup /
[19:30] <tommy1> exit
[19:46] <bricot> I checked it. BT seems fine. Why do I need a 'sudo killall pulseaudio' before I see the sink in pavucontrol?
[21:05] <bricot> Is it possible to connect one source to two sinks simultaneously?
[21:07] <jop2v> hi
[21:25] <xubuntu545> hello?
[21:26] <xubuntu545> can someone help me
[21:30] <baizon> !ask xubuntu545
[21:30] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu545
[21:33] <xubuntu369> hi all.. need help before i throw this laptop with xubuntu out of the window..
[21:33] <redderhs> dont throw it out, give it to me =]
[21:34] <xubuntu369> give me ur adress, u can have it..
[21:34] <xubuntu369> =)
[21:34] <redderhs> State your question xubuntu369
[21:35] <xubuntu369> redderhs: ok.. pls give me some time to tipe it down
[21:35] <redderhs> Take your time.
[21:43] <xubuntu369> ok.. took a deep breath.. here it goes: i have an old ibm t20 and two scsi-cards. one is only wifi, the other wifi & 3G. learned about lspci, got the output and searched on google. installed ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 - and followed the instructions adapting them to my .inf files. the output of lspci for the one with 3G is
[21:43] <xubuntu369> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 43) 02:00.1 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 1fb7 (rev 43) 02:00.2 Network controller: Option N.V. Qualcomm MSM6275 UMTS chip
[21:43] <xubuntu369> for the one with only w-lan 02:00.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
[21:44] <xubuntu369> ps: sorry, i just overreacted..
[21:45] <redderhs> which one isn't working? I may not be able to provide an answer for your situation but there are 106 other people in the room that may know the answer.
[21:46] <xubuntu369> both don't..
[21:47] <xubuntu369> don't bother about which one i can make work.. one is enough..
[21:47] <xubuntu369> also my ethernet is not working.. here my full lspci
[21:48] <xubuntu369> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:02.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:03.0 Communication controller: LSI Corporation L56xM+S [Mars-2] WinModem 56k (rev 01) 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic C
[21:49] <redderhs> For ethernet atleast: have you tried the basic troubleshootings steps like making sure the cable is good and what not?
[21:50] <xubuntu369> 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) 00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible cont
[21:52] <xubuntu369> yes.. for ethernet everything should work.. although i just don't know if the card on the netbook itself is still working. i have to admit that i got this laptop with xp and didn't try it out but installed different distributions and xubuntu worked best. don't want to step back to windows..
[21:52] <redderhs> ahh
[21:53] <xubuntu369> another computer conected to the cable had no probl. though
[21:53] <xubuntu369> so internet is there
[21:53] <redderhs> well I guess as long as ethernet was tested on XP then it should theoretically work on here.
[21:54] <redderhs> Hopefully someone will be able to give you an idea of where to go about from here as I'm not really sure. If no one replies definitely bring this to the ubuntu forums.
[21:55] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: here is something to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[22:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: you making any progress ?
[22:02] <xubuntu369> ok.. i'm going through this help-site.. nm-tool tells me that i'm connected with my 3G-USB-Stick, it says that it works
[22:04] <recon_lap> good, we ruling out possible causes .
[22:06] <xubuntu369> well that's true, but that's not what i wanted to know.. the usb-stick was shortened and gives me a downloadrate of 17kb .. want to make an update of about 50 MB and would love to connect to wifi or through ethernet where i got 2MB donwloadrate..
[22:06] <xubuntu369> hey thanks for beeing there for me.. was about to go nuts here..
[22:11] <redderhs> never give up on a problem like this, only brings more depth in knowledge with linux. I'm still learning myself (a newbie) but its totally worth it down the road.
[22:14] <xubuntu369> redderhs: thxs.. i allways stick to linux and since some years to ubuntu. because of me all my friends heard about linux and at least have one copy of knoppix, just in case something goes wrong and they need to safe theyr data ;)
[22:14] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: alway have a look for a howto guide or people who have experienced the same problem, very rare that you will be the first to hit a particular snag. get enough knowledge to ask a understandable question  and ask for help, normaly works
[22:14] <xubuntu369> lshw -C network shows that i have something that is deaktivated?
[22:15] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: do you know what pastebin is?
[22:16] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: https://gist.github.com/ , paste the output in there, then give use the line here and we can read it
[22:16] <recon_lap> lin/link *
[22:16] <xubuntu369> think i read smth about it today.. but no, got no clue what it might be actually
[22:16] <recon_lap> line/link*
[22:25] <xubuntu369> ok, pasted all the output i had during the last hour on my terminal there: git://gist.github.com/3796813.git
[22:25] <xubuntu369> thxs for the link, very usefull
[22:25] <xubuntu369> =)
[22:32] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: that link did not work :( might be to big !!
[22:33] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: did you create a private paste?
[22:34] <xubuntu369> nope, a public one.. but allready added more things to it.. hope this one works: git://gist.github.com/3796852.git
[22:34] <xubuntu369> ps: what is the max. size for that?!
[22:36] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: odd, read the button before you click , there are two, one for private , and one for public , click th public one
[22:37] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: try this one http://pastebin.mozilla.org/
[22:40] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: so how far did you get?
[22:41] <xubuntu369> recon_lap: made it public.. which line do you need? The public clone URL? git://gist.github.com/3796876.git
[22:43] <xubuntu369> did that work?
[22:43] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: no, not working for some reason
[22:43] <recon_lap> should not start with "git:" ?
[22:44] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: just paste the output of ifconfig to start with
[22:44] <recon_lap> use http://pastebin.mozilla.org/
[22:47] <xubuntu369> thxs for directions, helps me to get things done. hope that's the link: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?dl=1846618
[22:52] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: hmm, German text a bit strange. ok , I take it thats the dongle we seeing with a connection?
[22:53] <xubuntu369> to be sincere.. i really don't know what this output means..
[22:54] <xubuntu369> but if it shows the actual connection to internte, then yes it's the dongle
[22:55] <xubuntu369> sorry.. wanted to have it ready for my girlfriend, that's why it's in german.
[22:55] <recon_lap> ok, I take it you want it to work with wireless ?
[22:56] <recon_lap> and not with the dongle
[22:56] <xubuntu369> that would be awesome! =) the dongle costs me a lot and is really slow..
[22:57] <xubuntu369> on the other hand, this pcmcia-card also has a 3G support.. if we can get it to word ;)
[22:57] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: do you have a second computer to use while we try fix the wifi
[22:58] <xubuntu369> yes, but you would have to wait a second till i get it on. sounds like we're about to fix things! =)
[23:02] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: paste the output of "sudo lshw -C network "
[23:06] <xubuntu369> recon_lap: can i put it in the same window?
[23:06] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: whatever works
[23:07] <xubuntu369> think that should be it: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1846667
[23:09] <xubuntu022> recon_lap: this is my second connection, as wished ;)
[23:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu022: describe the network cards? are they picmia, built in , dongles?
[23:15] <recon_lap> xubuntu022: can you remove any of them?
[23:17] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: you there?
[23:18] <xubuntu369> it's a pcmcia card. tried to get a picture or a link with a description.. but found nothing
[23:19] <xubuntu369> sorry for the delay
[23:19] <recon_lap> dont worry about pictures
[23:19] <xubuntu369> ok =)
[23:20] <xubuntu369> think lspci gives a quite good description of the card
[23:21] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: only one of them seem to be showing a driver
[23:22] <xubuntu369> how you mean?
[23:23] <xubuntu369> you mean i need further drivers in order to make it work?
[23:24] <recon_lap> i take it nozomi mean none ?
[23:25] <xubuntu369> nozomi? no that's not german..
[23:27] <xubuntu369> looks like the driver is actually called like that..
[23:28] <xubuntu369> as i speak 5 languages, i got some informations from this site in order to use some of the windows drivers: http://linux.collectiontricks.it/wiki/Installazione_di_Ndiswrapper_e_chiave_wi-fi_Netgear_WG111_v2
[23:31] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: found this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man4/malo.4freebsd.html , does that laptop have a usb port?
[23:32] <xubuntu369> yes
[23:32] <recon_lap> I getting lazy , wireless dongles are cheap :)
[23:33] <recon_lap> but that firmware patch look like a good bet to me
[23:34] <recon_lap> fits with the problem, I would expect ubuntu to know such an old card and recognize it. but a missing firmware patch would explain why it's not working
[23:36] <xubuntu369> ... this site is too technical for me.. and my card is not listed there..
[23:37] <xubuntu369> but yes.. i can understand your point. how ever you really helped me out of my situation of freaking out.. i really was about to throw the whole thing out the window ;)
[23:38] <xubuntu369> how to proceed with the things on that site you just mentioned?
[23:38] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: I'd spend the 15euro on a wireless dongle , that card only does WEP security
[23:39] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: how old is this laptop, 10 years?
[23:39] <xubuntu369> oh.. ok..
[23:40] <xubuntu369> well.. about that, yes ;)
[23:40] <xubuntu369> but thanks to xubuntu it runs smoothly
[23:41] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: well I would think that those network cards will probably not work with your routers security. if that 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless card comes out I'd toss it.
[23:43] <recon_lap> the firmware is probably an update for the BIOS of the laptop itself that fixes bugs
[23:46] <xubuntu369> i got a driver for that 88w8335 here http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/19/38/1888522-marvel_8335_X32.tar.gz
[23:47] <xubuntu369> but apparently it still doesn't work.. but while the laptop is old, this pcmcia-card is only about 3y old
[23:47] <recon_lap> nope, I'm wrong , it's a patch from openBSD
[23:48] <xubuntu369> how to apply the patch? downloaded it
[23:49] <recon_lap> trying to work that out now :)
[23:49] <xubuntu369> =)
[23:50] <recon_lap> think you just "apt-get install <filename>" , and we go sailing into the twilight zone
[23:52] <recon_lap> hmm, very unsure
[23:54] <xubuntu369> hey! that actually got it installing something.. =)
[23:55] <xubuntu369> nope.. the output was, that it could not find the file?! how come? i downloaded it...
[23:56] <xubuntu369> think it looks like i'll be still figuring it out tomorrow..
[23:57] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: think so. getting late.
[23:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: still, a 15euro dongle and you could be done :)
[23:59] <xubuntu369> as usual.. you know, i spend the last 3 days infront of this thing.. forgetting about time and getting to bed when all the others stood up at 7.. but today i just got the feeling that i'm consuming my live for nothing.. really thinking about your suggestion.. although this pcmcia card was worth something like 450 €, 3 years ago...
[23:59] <xubuntu369> but you might be right ;)