[01:37] <jsw971> Installing ansible on focal using apt stopped working about 30 minutes ago because python-paramiko can't be installed.  Is there a channel where this might be being discussed?
[01:40] <Bashing-om> jsw971: Seems "python-paramiko" is not an ubuntu package - where did it originate ? ' apt policy python-paramiko '.
[01:41] <Bashing-om> !info python-paramiko fical | jsw971
[01:41] <Bashing-om> !info python-paramiko focal | jsw971
[01:42] <jsw971> This was working fine until 30 minutes ago.
[01:42] <jsw971> I guess more like 40 minutes ago now.
[01:43] <jsw971> All I had to do to install ansible before was "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt install ansible".
[01:46] <jsw971> My guess is that "python-paramiko" was removed for some reason.  I do see that there's a "python3-paramiko", but ansible doesn't use it.
[02:05] <kryten> jsw971: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ansible - what you state doesn't seem to match what I'm seeing here though.
[02:07] <jsw971> kryten: how so?
[02:09] <kryten> Just try to validate your last message by using the page I linked.
[02:10] <jsw971> Do you see a "python-paramiko" package on that page?
[02:11] <kryten> Maybe you want to re-read your own message..
[02:11] <jsw971> The message said that there's no python-paramiko package, but there is a python3-paramiko package.
[02:12] <gry|2> i think jsw971 and ubottu agree on that the pytohn-paramiko package is not found
[02:14] <gry|2> jsw971: what ubuntu version are you running? the linked page says python3-paramiko is just fine
[02:14] <gry|2> and ansible can use it
[02:14] <jsw971> Right.  I'm was using ppa:ansible/ansible which references the old python-paramiko page.
[02:14] <jsw971> I'm running focal.
[02:16] <jsw971> page -> package
[02:27] <kryten> jsw971: Looking through that PPA a little, it'd seem you've been falling back to using the version in the official repos before.
[02:51] <dub66> Hey, I'm having some issues with nVidia drivers on a new install of Xubuntu. I'm currently using the open source driver because the proprietary driver fails to load. Also, I've noticed that when reinstalling the nvidia-driver-460 package DKMS returns `Good news! Module version 460.39 for nvidia-drm.ko exactly matches what is already found in kernel 5.4.0-67-generic. DKMS will not replace this module. You may override by specifying
[02:51] <dub66> --force.`
[03:02] <jrm> I'm trying to install 20.0.4 desktop.  The installer runs fine, but stalls at 'Running "update-grub"'.  My search-foo is failing me.  Is this a known problem?  Is there a solution?
[03:21] <runelind_q> not ubuntu specific, but I'm trying to delete all lines from  file with the word secret in them, but sed '/secret/d' doesn't seem to match anything
[03:21] <runelind_q> (I specified the file name after the sed command)
[03:23] <runelind_q> grep -i does match on the relevant lines
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> runelind_q: try ##linux if its not ubuntu specific
[03:29] <runelind_q> thanks I'll try there.
[03:50] <gry|2> runelind_q: what about 'grep -v' ?
[03:51] <runelind_q> it was user error, needed to specify sed -i to actually delete the lines
[03:51] <semitones_tea> how does tab know how to complete ` sudo apt install foo- ` into something useful? Does it intelligently apt search?
[03:54] <gry|2> semitones_tea: hi
[03:55] <gry|2> semitones_tea: do you have a " /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt  " file on your system?
[03:55] <gry|2> semitones_tea: if yes, then what does it have inside of it?
[03:55] <semitones_tea> hmm good question let me look
[03:57] <semitones_tea> whoa there's tons of cool stuff here. THanks gry|2 !
[03:58] <semitones_tea> it has all kinds of logic for what to try completing
[04:20] <gry|2> semitones_tea: nice :-)
[05:59] <radue> anybody knows how to access #ubuntu-beginners? It says you need an invite, but i cannot find anything online on it, does the channel still exist?
[06:00] <ISOLIFE> I need help
[06:02] <ISOLIFE> already install vsftpd and apache2
[06:05] <ISOLIFE> what must be settings in /etc/vsftpd.conf to access all to hard drive
[06:11] <guiverc> radue, I'm not aware of the channel, and don't see it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList so it maybe a temporary group setup for a specific purpose/class etc
[06:16] <radue> guiverc: i know it's very old, years old channel, i used it in the past - maybe it's not used anymore
[06:28] <Kilos> oh my, a full irc channel. morning from south africa guys
[06:36] <TaZeR> irc is da place to be wattup cuz
[07:16] <meandrain> hi, any idea in which config file do I modify this values?   "crashkernel=384M-2G:64M,2G-:128M"    for kernel crash dumps ?
[07:21] <Voxel> Hey all :)
[07:22] <Voxel> Why would Ubuntu based distro tell `Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.` after running `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade`
[07:23] <Voxel> I've asked on KDE Neon IRC channel, but after a day - no messages there at all.
[07:24] <Voxel> Is it possible to check what interferes with a release upgrade?
[07:25] <dirtwash> can someone confirm that iptables is broken on lts 20.04 5.4.0-64-generic?
[07:25] <dirtwash> because after kernel upgrade and reboot I get: ERROR: problem running iptables: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:191 kmod_module_parse_depline() ctx=0x55cd0571b2a0 path=/lib/modules/5.4.0-64-generic/kernel/net/netfilter/x_tables.ko error=No such file or directory
[07:25] <Voxel> #define broken
[07:26] <dirtwash> they forgot to include that in the build?
[07:26] <Voxel> I've checked different resources, but nothing..
[07:27] <dirtwash> im on latest packages: All packages are up to date.
[07:27] <Voxel> dirtwash, have you reinstalled iptables?
[07:27] <Voxel> tried, I meant
[07:27] <dirtwash> Voxel:no? did a standard apt upgrade like always and needed to do a reboot today anyway
[07:28] <dirtwash> it says iptables is installed
[07:28] <Voxel> I see
[07:28] <Voxel> What if reinstalled?
[07:28] <dirtwash> besides that error says the kernel module file is missing
[07:28] <Voxel> Like backed up and purged
[07:29] <dirtwash> that path doesnt even exist
[07:29] <dirtwash> im surprised note verything else crashed
[07:29] <Voxel> Although, Oh
[07:30] <Voxel> Is there any logs of upgrading?
[07:30] <dirtwash> apt logs sure
[07:31] <Voxel> Perhaps, there may be a line describing the issue. Consider greping the `iptables` string
[07:31] <dirtwash> no this is a kernel issue
[07:31] <dirtwash> i ask in kernel chan
[07:31] <dirtwash> nvm
[07:32] <dirtwash> well technically its a ubuntu package isue
[07:32] <dirtwash> just surprised nobody seen this yet
[07:35] <ThinkT510> Voxel: KDE Neon is not an official Ubuntu release so cannot be supported here
[07:35] <Voxel> obviously...
[07:35] <Voxel> Have a great day then
[07:36] <dirtwash> ThinkT510:got some input on my kernel issue? wonder if someone can confirm this
[07:41] <dirtwash> hm fixed by reinstalling modules package and reinserting kernel modules, WEIRD
[08:14] <ruenoak> Hi all is there another way to report a bug on 21.04 running ubuntu-bug  application-name  just closes the bug report with know message.
[08:43] <tuxinator> Good morning, just to let people know, if using Ubuntu 18.04 and Apache remoteip Module, it seems that it is broken, correct config, in my case upgrade to 20.04 was the only option.
[08:45] <tuxinator> found a Bugreport on Launchpad but not the exact same type, i think people hitting that issue should be told to update
[08:45] <tuxinator> "upgrade"
[09:34] <cvl> Hey guys, any ideas how to get mixed DPI working on 20.10?
[09:34] <cvl> No matter how I tries, it keeps breaking vmware integration and displaying extra cursors
[10:04] <ragouel> Hello guys
[10:04] <ragouel> and gals
[10:04] <ragouel> does anyone know the equivalent local7 centos command for ubuntu ?
[10:05] <geirha> what does the local7 command do?
[10:06] <ragouel> it's part of rsyslog local0-7 it's used for logging purposes
[10:38] <derpadmin> ragouel, try logger
[10:39] <derpadmin> but I cannot find a manpage for local7
[10:40] <derpadmin> but local7 is a syslog facility, not a command
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:00] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[11:01] <silv3r_m00n> i shall get a new windows 10 laptop and need to install ubuntu alongside windows, with encryption, what are my options and which one is the easiest ?
[11:01] <silv3r_m00n> i tried reading some online tutorials, but it seems that encrypting ubuntu alongside windows a messy business
[11:07] <madflash> hi guys
[11:09] <Veidit> Good day. I am an old person using chroot but I am now looking now at cgroups/cgroups2? My need is to limit a uid/user to run a few specific binaries (nginx/php-fpm) but have their local storage over nfs so I don't see Docker/LXE as a solution in this case.
[11:12] <tuxinator> Veidit: well on apache i think suexec would be a good option
[11:13] <Veidit> tuxinator: That is a valid way, thanks. Will look
[11:16] <Veidit> tuxinator: I would prefer Nginx though.
[11:19] <Veidit> tuxinator: This looks right for me: https://facebookmicrosites.github.io/cgroup2/docs/overview
[11:25] <tuxinator> nginx is ok, however you should always know there are reasons why many times nginx is in front of apache, Apache -> Monster, features/modules Nginx will probably never have, but if you don't need a lot Nginx makes sense
[11:27] <tuxinator> actually they are a good team
[11:27] <madflash19> is there a way to get highlighted text in a variable (vimscript)
[11:28] <tuxinator> Veidit: a very good comparison: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/apache-vs-nginx-practical-considerations
[11:48] <vimart> What the file is equivalent for .bashrc in buntu20.04, need set NNTPSERVER Path.
[11:55] <romo> hey guys I'm trying to put Xubuntu 20.04 on a Notebook. Already did so a couple of times but I can't get the fn keys to work and if the screen blanks due to user inactivity while installing it will not come back and install fails. brightness is becoming a real problem. is this a known issue?
[11:57] <faceface> hello
[11:57] <faceface> what is /sbin/init splash?
[11:57] <faceface> I thought it was the 'login' screen, so I enabled a different runlevel
[11:57] <faceface> however, I still see it
[11:58] <faceface> I'm running ubuntu under a vm, and I dist-upgraded to 20 and now it doesn't boot right
[11:58] <faceface> I'm using virt-manager
[11:58] <faceface> it used to boot to login prompt
[11:58] <faceface> now it just shows an error... I have to send Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login there
[11:59] <faceface> its' not a big deal, I just want to understand what I broke during dist upgrade
[11:59] <nuala> vimart: should still be the same? are you lookign for something like this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/178968/how-to-configure-ntp-time-synchronization-on-a-server
[11:59] <faceface> I just tried `sudo systemctl set-default multi-user`
[11:59] <faceface> after reboot, the same issue
[12:00] <romo> vimart: like nuala stated - I'm unaware of .bashrc not working. if it isn't present have you tried creating one?
[12:01] <faceface> > you are runnning ubuntu which uses systemd, which allows you to display a splash screen during boot, this is why it has the splash argument
[12:01] <faceface> I don't want that splash...
[12:04] <faceface> what the heck does this have to do with plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text
[12:09] <faceface> OK, seems I fixed it by doing this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst
[12:11] <faceface> so, the fact that I had graphical boot on this server box at all is a bit weird... I didn't add any desktop at all (installed from mini.iso)
[12:14] <faceface> Where can I find what desktop I have installed?
[12:14] <faceface> (As I said, I'm not expecting any)
[12:50] <Nothing4You> is there a way to permit a user to do dynamic tcp forwarding but not remote forwarding? i'm trying to make it possible for users to use ssh as proxy without them being able to do anything else on the machine, so i don't want them to be able to set up arbitrary listening ports
[12:51] <Nothing4You> nevermind, just realized AllowTcpForwarding takes non-bool values
[14:01] <floown> Hello
[14:01] <floown> I don't know how to enter this command: https://pastebin.com/NmY2DHDZ
[14:01] <floown> lol
[14:04] <leftyfb> floown: maybe try ##mysql ?
[14:07] <floown> leftyfb: it doesn't work
[14:07] <leftyfb> floown: /join ##mysql
[14:07] <floown> Ah ok
[14:17] <agvantibo> Hello. I am trying to configure GRUB with the Ubuntu Mono font, and I've managed to create a font with `grub-mkfont`, and configure GRUB to use it, but it apparently has great trouble with the Unicode characters that make up the frame of the menu. Please suggest a solution that either combines a full-Unicode font with Ubuntu mono to create an Unicode-capable font, or makes GRUB use a fallback font in that case.
[14:38] <agvantibo> H-hey?
[15:03] <franks2> How can i disable "autoremove" of packages
[15:03] <kobold> hi! what's the default mount point of thunar? I can't find any mounted folder in either /mnt or /media, but I can still access the phone in thunar.
[15:03] <kobold> (sitting on xfce4 system, probably xubuntu)
[15:18] <remline> franks2: You can mark the packages as "manually" installed. I believe simply doing "apt install package-name" will mark it as manually installed, even if it is already installed.
[15:19] <franks2> remline: aha, thank you. apt-mark manual packgae-name did the trick
[15:23] <remline> kobold: Is it in /run/media?
[15:37] <leftyfb> remline: it's probably mounted with MTP
[15:47] <LiftLeft> https://paste.ee/p/PYzDi Ethernet is disabled for some reason
[15:47] <LiftLeft> how do I re enable it?
[15:48] <LiftLeft> could docker be messing with it?
[15:48] <LiftLeft> I had ip range problems with docker
[15:50] <LiftLeft> I tried that and ran sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[15:50] <LiftLeft> I disabled docker and stopped it
[15:56] <Marco-123> hi all. on Linux Mint here. i just ran `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` with the intention of installing a better nvidia driver. result: seems to have lost me many drivers. network, video, and more. how can i repair these drivers or ask Mint to reinstall its default ones?
[15:57] <oer> change to the real ubuntu, or seek help in the mint channels?
[15:57] <oer> !mint
[15:58] <oer> mint has its own issues
[16:06] <LiftLeft> some more logs https://paste.ee/p/RPDVF
[16:18] <node1> Hi
[16:19] <node1> Any speech recognition application for ubuntu that act as keyboard.
[16:23] <oer>  speech recognition application for ubuntu that act as keyboard, never heard of that one
[16:25] <oer> there are snaps; saya-speech, glate, in snapcraft.io
[16:31] <node1> okay thanks
[16:41] <peterj> guys i have fup my system by running some crazy script from the internet.. i think the files are there but `ls` etc. don't show anything in any directory, i can `cd` into the directories i remember. when i enter the system, it says `Structure needs cleaning`. fsck, e2fsck etc. commands give me "Fatal Python error: init_fs_encoding: failed to get
[16:41] <peterj> the Python codec of the filesystem encoding"
[16:42] <peterj> is there anyway to fix the system? it is running ubuntu 20.04 in wsl2
[16:42] <peterj> can i mount his drive in another wsl2 instance and repair it..?
[17:10] <leftyfb> peterj: what script did you run?
[17:27] <peterj> leftyfb, i was experimenting with grub-mkrescue and found a script from the internet, which in the end did this: "sudo dd if=grub.iso of=/dev/sdd".. i didn't realized until i pressed ENTER -.-
[17:27] <leftyfb> peterj: that writes that iso to your entire drive
[17:28] <peterj> just 6 MB is overwritten actually
[17:28] <leftyfb> peterj: you are better off re-installing and restoring from backup
[17:28] <peterj> so the system is still somewhat working (i can `cd` into directories, but `ls` doesn't show anything)
[17:29] <peterj> i need to recover the data or repair the disk
[17:29] <peterj> whichever is possible
[17:29] <peterj> but i need data.
[17:29] <peterj> in WSL2, it is a VHDX image on windows, that contains ext4 filesystem / drive for ubuntu.
[17:30] <leftyfb> peterj: you didn't have a backup of your important data?
[17:30] <peterj> so i was hoping to find a tool which can recover filesystem in virtual drive
[17:31] <leftyfb> peterj: if you can mount the drive in linux, you can use something like photrec to try to recover some things
[17:32] <leftyfb> peterj: future reference, important data should be backed up. If it's not, it wasn't important
[17:35] <peterj> leftyfb: you really believe that huh?
[17:35] <leftyfb> peterj: it's not a belief.
[17:36] <peterj> yes, it's an unrealistic so-call "best practice" is what it is..
[17:36] <leftyfb> peterj: unrealistic? I can't just run an rsync script on a cron every night?
[17:38] <leftyfb> peterj: I backup 10 different machines to 2 locations on a bi-nighly basis. Once a year I take a backup of one of those backup locations and store in a secure location. All photos and video are backed up to 5 different online services
[17:39] <leftyfb> it's less time to create a backup then it is to recover without a backup
[17:39] <leftyfb> it's also more realistic to restore from a backup than to restore without a backup
[17:55] <cws> peterj: It's neither a belief nor a best practice. If you didn't back it up, then it wasn't important enough for you to worry about its loss. Period.
[17:55] <cws> It's simply a fact.
[17:57] <lordcirth_> If only life were so simple
[17:59] <cws> Life is that simple if you back your stuff up. :)
[18:10] <phao> Hi... Why is color settings associated to brightness and contrast in ubuntu is in the zoom panel in accessibility?
[18:10] <phao> I mean... What does it have to do with zooming? hehe
[18:12] <phao> The actual color section in settings has nothing about that. This seems weird.
[18:30] <jpmh> in days gone by I believe I remember there was  "guest" user that had no password - is it possible to set up such a user today
[18:33] <ioria> jpmh, with lightdm maybe (not with gdm)
[18:35] <rakyah> Hey hey people, Ive been trying to mess around with my laptop, running Arch on Wayland. Ive got a server setup, which runs Ubuntu Server, but whenever I connect with my laptop over ssh, it times out- My desktop on the other hand has a very similar Arch setup to my laptop, though that one can connect just fine. I also cant mount my NAS anymore on the laptop, whch does also works fine on my desktop
[18:36] <jpmh> ioria: I should have specified I/we do NOT use any form of GUI
[18:40] <ioria> jpmh, why not a Ephemeral Container ?
[18:41] <jpmh> ioria: that's an interesting idea - however I do not want it to be ephemeral
[18:43] <ioria> jpmh, then it's not a Guest Account
[18:43] <ioria> jpmh, it's just passwordless
[18:48] <jpmh> ioria: as I said - vague memory - YES - tat's what I want - how do I do that, if I can
[18:49] <ioria> jpmh, i'd say with console autologin, probably
[18:49] <jpmh> ioria: meaning?
[18:51] <ioria> jpmh, https://selivan.github.io/2017/12/27/console-autologin-systemd-ubuntu.html
[18:51] <jpmh> ioria: TY - heading there now
[18:53] <jpmh> ioria: That was EXACTLY what I needed thatnk you so much
[18:54] <ioria> ok
[19:29] <cart_man> So I have found a bug that is unbelievabley anoying! Its just I dont know where to post it. It happens only if I have the Nvidia drivers installed that is not the Nouvea drivers. When I switch between Virtual desktops it will break and render everything without windows and I cant close anything. I basically have to restart. So where do I report this? Nvidia ? Plasma? Ubuntu?
[19:31] <dub66> You can make a bug report here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs). You can try to make a bug report on the nVidia forums but they aren't very helpful. (https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/c/gpu-unix-graphics/linux/148)
[19:34] <dub66> Making a bug report on KDE's platform could be helpful as well but they will probably redirect you to nVidia or tell you there is nothing you can do because it is a driver issue. (https://bugs.kde.org/)
[19:59] <Grievre> Hi all. I'm faced with the annoying task of finding out which installed packages on a system are licensed under GPL or LGPL that is not relicensable to a newer version. Is there an easy way to do this? /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright is not always machine-readable, and for packages with multiple licenses it only tells you which source files those licenses apply to, not which binary packages.
[20:03] <sarnold> Grievre: afaik that doesn't exist, you'll probably have to do the source file -> binary packages mapping yourself if you want that
[20:13] <Grievre> sarnold: bleh :( thanks
[20:25] <bored_user> hey, asuming I've got a question regarding ubuntu server, is this the right place?
[20:26] <Onceuponaban> Hello. I am running Ubuntu Server 20.04 on a machine which I'm pretty sure is having some kind of hardware issues (random freezes, leading to no display output and being unable to remote in using SSH, only fix being a hard reboot). Due to this, I tried to compress a specific folder for it to be sent to another machine, however in the middle of
[20:26] <Onceuponaban> compressing said folder to somewhere on the system drive, it printed an error claiming said drive was read only and exited. Most commands (including even ls if used on the system drive) now error out with the message "Input/output error". What's happening here and how can I fix this?
[20:27] <sarnold> bored_user: there's also an #ubuntu-server channel
[20:27] <sarnold> Onceuponaban: does dmesg work? or is that busted too?
[20:28] <Onceuponaban> dmesg is busted as well.
[20:28] <Onceuponaban> Same error.
[20:28] <sarnold> dang
[20:28] <sarnold> how about journalctl -k ?
[20:30] <Onceuponaban> That one did work, revealing a lot of errors
[20:30] <Onceuponaban> ...and I was about to use termbin.com to paste the output but nc errors out as well
[20:31] <gordonjcp> Onceuponaban: your hard disk is dying
[20:31] <ioria> Onceuponaban, ournalctl -b 0 | grep -i ata[0-9]
[20:32] <ioria> Onceuponaban, journalctl -b 0 | grep -i ata[0-9]
[20:32] <gordonjcp> Onceuponaban: now is the time to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan, as they say in Strasbourg
[20:32] <sarnold> heh :(
[20:33] <sarnold> Onceuponaban: any chance you copy-paste the text through your terminal / tmux / screen etc to paste it via another machine?
[20:33] <sarnold> Onceuponaban: chances are very good it's just as gordonjcp says, your hardware is likely failing, but it'd be nice to get those errors all the same
[20:34] <gordonjcp> sarnold: and specifically hard disk
[20:34] <Onceuponaban> Output of the command ioria provided (more than could fit on the screen so only the last lines): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WQbpykMCDH/
[20:35] <sarnold> it could also be power supply, sata controller, something else.. it's hard to be certain without swapping out hardware in testing
[20:35] <sarnold> definitely try a new hard drive first
[20:36] <sarnold> those are usually easy to replace
[20:36] <ioria> Onceuponaban, ata3 seems the problem
[20:36] <Onceuponaban> could this be happening if the drive became full while compressing the folder?
[20:36] <Onceuponaban> (and is otherwise working fine)
[20:36] <gordonjcp> unlikely
[20:37] <gordonjcp> it would report that the disk was full
[20:37] <Onceuponaban> I see, so I guess my system drive is failing then
[20:37] <sarnold> more likely, has already failed
[20:37] <Onceuponaban> To be fair it was a fairly old SSD
[20:37] <Onceuponaban> so that would make sense
[20:38] <ioria> Onceuponaban, try to change the port , then the cable, then the disk is done
[20:40] <Zuroger-KUB20> Hello
[20:40] <Onceuponaban> I'm now glad I made sure that the system drive didn't host any actual data
[20:40] <Zuroger-KUB20> I was wondering about the modern private streaming server practices that are good now?
[20:40] <Zuroger-KUB20> I need a server on LAN that I can feed OBS recorder into.
[20:41] <Zuroger-KUB20> So that others can watch the stream with VLC, for example.
[20:41] <Zuroger-KUB20> Other clients in LAN too.
[20:41] <Zuroger-KUB20> I was told I need this NGINX thing or something, or RTMP ?
[20:42] <Onceuponaban> ...slight issue: how do I stop the computer given that sudo is also erroring out so I can't elevate myself to root to use shutdown?
[20:43] <sarnold> Onceuponaban: hit sysrq + s, sysrq + u, sysrq + b  keys
[20:43] <sarnold> that'll sync, then unmount, then reboot
[20:44] <ioria>  Onceuponaban or ctrl+alt+canc (or del)
[20:44] <Onceuponaban> Would that work through ssh?
[20:45] <sarnold> no; you can poke sysrq vis /proc/sysrq-trigger but that requires ... a root shell.
[20:46] <sarnold> if you don't have one of those already open, then you're out of options for semi-clean shutdown
[20:46] <Onceuponaban> grabbing my wireless keyboard it is then
[21:17] <Zuroger-KUB20> Hi
[21:18] <Zuroger-KUB20> Does ubuntu have some kind of tool to quickly snoop every modification done by the user ?
[21:19] <Zuroger-KUB20> Like all the changes I did on the system/root etc, config files modifed manually, etc, so I could see what I did and redo this on a fresh install?
[21:22] <sarnold> Zuroger-KUB20: debsums -ec  may be able to help, but not all configuratoin files are marked as configuration files because debian is weird around configuration files
[21:22] <sarnold> Zuroger-KUB20: check the debconf(7) manpage for 'ssh' for another potential source of site-local configuration changes
[21:22] <tomreyn> that's not an easy task. there are auditd, sudo logging, general log file monitoring, file alteration monitoring / tracking (etc, host intrusion detection / prevention), which cover different aspects of this.
[21:23] <tomreyn> etckeeper is a way to track configuration changes in /etc/
[21:23] <sarnold> Zuroger-KUB20: it's probably better to monitor these kinds of changes from the start, using something like juju charms or ansible playbooks or use etckeeper religiously etc
[21:24] <sarnold> hah, looks like tomreyn didn't have to go looking for the name of etckeeper :)
[21:24] <tomreyn> i did, in memory, took me a while :)
[21:24] <tomreyn> confguration deployment is a keyword you may want to look up
[21:25] <tomreyn> as sarnold said, it's better to take a planned approach to this, you won't have a nice time trying to gather this information after the fact.
[21:37] <franks2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/1918935 When a bug goes to "fix commited" how long time does it take before its updated in the package manager?
[21:46] <sarnold> franks2: as it stands, probably it'll be fixed in 21.04 if debian's version has it fixed, and if debian's version has migrated to ubuntu before the freeze
[21:46] <sarnold> franks2: if you want it fixed in 20.04 you'll probably need to prepare an update, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for some advice
[22:37] <robertparkerx> when you start a console what path are you in? it looks like ~/
[22:40] <oerheks> pwd
[22:40] <sarnold> robertparkerx: check DEFAULT_HOME in login(1)
[22:41] <oerheks> pwd gives the path you are on
[22:41] <oerheks> present working dorectory
[22:57] <robertparkerx> ty
[22:57] <robertparkerx> I will tell you the truth because I don't know much... I thought it was a joke and would display my password
[22:57] <robertparkerx> maybe you will laugh
[22:57] <oerheks> no, i questioned it myself too
[23:17] <robertparkerx> aren't ssl cert instant if you issue them from lets encrypt?
[23:17] <robertparkerx> I'm new to this bash script and its automating some process
[23:19] <sarnold> I've not set up LE msyelf but I'd certainly expect them to be valid immediately
[23:19] <dub66> I would as well. I'm trying to verify right now.


[08:30] <sil2100> Browser restart needed
[08:57] <ogra_> jibel, sil2100 bug 1473898
[09:06]  * seb128 hits ogra_ with a duplicate bug report sticker
[09:08]  * ogra_ puts on the sticker and wears it with pride
[09:08] <seb128> hehe
[09:09] <seb128> ogra_, joke aside we did discuss that issue on IRC several times, you knew it was reported no?
[09:09] <seb128> oh well, the question in the bug stand
[09:09] <seb128> is s-i providing a (dbus) api we can query to get the info
[09:09] <ogra_> i definitely forgot about it, sorry
[09:09] <seb128> no worry
[09:09] <ogra_> i think it does ... that a barry question though
[09:09] <ogra_> *that's
[09:10] <seb128> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man8/system-image-dbus.8.html
[09:10] <seb128> see        Information() section
[09:11] <seb128> it has build number, device name, channel name
[09:11] <seb128> maybe the  version_detail one?
[09:11] <ogra_> yes
[09:11] <ogra_> but that needs to be parsed
[09:11] <seb128> why can't things be easy? ;-)
[09:11] <ogra_> system-image-clie does that (if you compare ots output with the raw channel.ini content)
[09:12] <ogra_> *-cli
[09:12] <seb128> k
[09:12] <seb128> so 3 options
[09:12] <ogra_> i guess you can steal the parser from there
[09:12] <seb128> 1. we re-do the parsing
[09:12] <ogra_> (or at least a prototype)
[09:12] <seb128> 2. we ask s-i to provide the parsed/formatted info
[09:12] <seb128> 3. we system() call the s-i-cli command
[09:12] <seb128> I like 2. better
[09:13] <ogra_> as long as someone works on 2 :)
[09:13] <seb128> I'm not going to duplicate parsing code
[09:13] <seb128> so if somebody want to see that bug fixed they can nag the s-i team to have 2. implemented
[09:14] <ogra_> seb128, that bug *was* fixed
[09:14] <ogra_> it is a regression
[09:14] <seb128> ?
[09:14] <seb128> I doubt it
[09:14] <ogra_> settings clearly showed the right thing for quite a while
[09:14] <seb128> no it didn't
[09:14] <ogra_> some time last week i noticed that my krillin still shows the right stuff while my arale showeed the 14... number
[09:14] <seb128> that code didn't change since cwayne reported it, which is before vivid
[09:15] <ogra_> and on the weekend i noticed that krillin switched the format too
[09:15] <seb128> k, maybe /custom/build_id has the right thing
[09:15] <seb128> had
[09:15] <ogra_> sure, *it* changed somewhere :)
[09:15] <seb128> yeah, just not on settings
[09:15] <seb128> likely somebody changed the content of those files on disk then
[09:15] <ogra_> could be the way the stamp is created (why we read it is beyond me though(
[09:16] <seb128> we read it because it's the only info we have and it's not documented
[09:16]  * ogra_ only noticed the changes in the UI
[09:16] <seb128> so whoever did the setting code assumed that reading that was better than nothing
[09:16] <ogra_> well, s-i should be our only source for that info
[09:17] <seb128> yeah, but s-i doesn't publish that info
[09:17] <ogra_> it does, you just dont want to parse it :P
[09:17] <ogra_> (which is correct)
[09:18] <seb128> are you sure it does?
[09:18] <seb128> "              · version_detail - A string containing a comma-separated list of
[09:18] <seb128>                 key-value   pairs   providing   additional  component  version
[09:18] <seb128>                 details, e.g. "ubuntu=123,mako=456,custom=789"."
[09:18] <ogra_> yes
[09:18] <seb128> I'm not even sure those pairs contain what you are asking for
[09:18] <ogra_> they do
[09:18] <seb128> and if it does, is the format documented somewhere?
[09:18] <ogra_> look in channel.ini
[09:18] <ogra_> yes, in the system-image docs on the wiki somewhere
[09:19] <ogra_> version_detail: ubuntu=20150710,device=20150709-8965e37,custom=20150709-814-6-40,version=58
[09:19] <ogra_> thats what i have in channel.ini
[09:19] <ogra_> 20150709-814-6-40 is the proper version for the custom tarball
[09:19] <seb128> k, fair enough
[09:24] <Laney> a{sv} anyone?
[09:27] <seb128> you would think...
[09:28] <pete-woods> trainguards: silo plz kthx? :)
[09:34] <sil2100> pete-woods: on it in a min :)
[09:34] <Mirv> pete-woods: I can, if sil2100 takes a min :)
[09:35] <Mirv> pete-woods: silo 046
[09:35] <pete-woods> Mirv: awesome, thanks!
[10:18] <infinity> pstolowski: FWIW, the kernel team's response to this is that we're fools for expecting good usec resolution in the first place. :P
[10:20] <pstolowski> infinity, heh, yeah, I wouldn't expect 1 usec precision even though stat offers tv_nsec, but surely it should be different every second, no?
[10:23] <infinity> pstolowski: So, it gets more interesting.  Apparently, the mtime bumps at HZ resolution, according to Andy's math.  Sometimes, it's spot on, sometimes not quite, depending on platform.
[10:24] <infinity> pstolowski: So, that could be 4 times per second or 10 or whatever, depending on kernel config.
[10:24] <infinity> pstolowski: Anyhow, as I said in my mail, your bug is that you're checking for .tv_nsec, and if it exists, you're using it bare.
[10:24] <infinity> pstolowski: You need to use tv_sec *and* tv_nsec to have any hope of knowing if time progressed.
[10:25] <infinity> pstolowski: Cause it looks like the odds are very real that on a low-res kernel, tv_nsec can actually duplicate from second to second.
[10:25] <pstolowski> infinity, ok. thanks for investigating that! will fix and restest!
[10:46] <infinity> pstolowski: And that has a typo. ;)
[10:46] <infinity> +                    last_write_time_nsec_ = st.st_mtim.tv_nsec;
[10:47] <infinity> +                    last_write_time_nsec_ = st.st_mtim.tv_sec;
[10:47] <pstolowski> infinity, oh jeeez, thanks for keeping an eye on it :/
[10:47] <infinity> pstolowski: I was just curious to see your fix, but you get a review for free out of it.
[11:00] <infinity> pstolowski: Oh, the other thing I'd suggest on top of the code change (which is good), would be to alter the testsuite to sleep for slightly longer than 1s, ie: 1.1
[11:01] <infinity> pstolowski: That would make it more resilient when running on ext3, since a jittery clock can make a system with no subsecond resolution give you the same second before and after a 'sleep 1'.
[11:01] <pstolowski> infinity, good idea, yeah
[11:01] <infinity> pstolowski: A 1.1s sleep would be guaranteed to cross a 1s boundary, unless the system is an Amiga from 1991.
[11:02] <infinity> pstolowski: (it also fixes your nsec timestamps, but that's moot, since you needed to fix your code to actually be sane anyway).
[12:13]  * sil2100 off to lunch
[13:13] <cwayne> sil2100: heya
[13:20] <sil2100> cwayne: hey!
[13:22] <cwayne> sil2100: question: I've got an update for the euronews scope that's just branding updates, shall I go through the ci-train, or JFDI?
[13:29] <sil2100> cwayne: how do those branding updates look? What's changing?
[13:31] <cwayne> sil2100: just like the scope headers/colors
[13:34] <sil2100> cwayne: I would say this can just go in as it is, but let's double-confirm with jibel
[13:39] <renatu> hey guys I am facing this bug #1461476 on OTA5 image
[13:39] <renatu> this is very critical in my opinion, since my phone never gets locked
[13:39] <renatu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1461476
[13:40] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: ^ ?
[13:42] <davmor2> sil2100: I've not seen that on arale or krillin, renatu is there a way to test for it that doesn't require plugging in a usb lead
[13:43] <pmcgowan> renatu, do you know how you got it in that state?
[13:43] <renatu> pmcgowan, I do not know
[13:44] <sil2100> My arale works fine here
[13:44] <pmcgowan> kgunn, and I were trying to reproduce on vivid last week and could not
[13:44] <renatu> pmcgowan, I remember that I was using a long delay something like 5min
[13:45] <renatu> I updated my phone some few times
[13:45] <renatu> using over the air update
[13:45] <ogra_> renatu, thats a wily bug
[13:45] <renatu> and now it is not working. I try to change to 1 min but still not working
[13:46] <ogra_> wily bugs are generally low prio
[13:46] <pmcgowan> renatu, what does powerd-cli list say
[13:46] <renatu> ogra_, I am using 15.04 r(58)
[13:46] <ogra_> renatu, then i'd file a new bug if i were you
[13:46] <pmcgowan> ogra_, it sounds like the same bug to me
[13:47] <renatu> ogra_, in the bug comments there is more people with the same bug on vivid
[13:47] <ogra_> with over a month apart on twoi different releases ?
[13:47] <ogra_> well, whatever you think :)
[13:47] <pmcgowan> the usc was recently syncd I believe
[13:47] <pmcgowan> renatu, can you run that powerd command
[13:48] <ogra_> ah, into both ?
[13:48] <pmcgowan> need to check with kgunn
[13:48] <renatu> pmcgowan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11872517/
[13:50] <seb128> ogra_, see what happens when you say it's fine to have bugs in wily ... things get copied later to vivid and then the bug hit users...
[13:50] <pmcgowan> renatu, ok that doesnt tell me anything
[13:50] <ogra_> seb128, i dont say it is fine to have bugs in wily ... i warn people that they are treated lower prio than vivid
[13:51] <ogra_> (and vivid is definitely more important with wily never seeing a real phone )
[13:51] <seb128> right
[13:51] <seb128> I'm just saying that overlooking wily bugs bite us back on vivid
[13:52] <renatu> pmcgowan, anything else that I can use to debug?
[13:52] <ogra_> if the same things land simultaneously ... for sure
[13:52] <pmcgowan> renatu, I am grabbing someone for u-s-c
[13:54] <kgunn> pmcgowan: what channel ?
[13:55] <kgunn> pmcgowan: sorry, was otp, i'm about to set a silo up with a potential fix
[13:55] <kgunn> for the screen blank
[13:55] <pmcgowan> kgunn, screen blank?
[13:55] <kgunn> i've discovered at least, fresh flash, just go to setting, change value to something, and it won't blank
[13:56] <pmcgowan> kgunn, is it only on a new flash then?
[13:56] <kgunn> pmcgowan: seems so, somehow it seems to "recover" i presume through punching the powerbutton/user activity
[13:57] <pmcgowan> kgunn, I dont really understand how the MR fixes it
[13:57] <pmcgowan> renatu, was that the first bot after a flash for you?
[13:57] <pmcgowan> boot
[13:57] <renatu> pmcgowan, no
[13:58] <kgunn> pmcgowan: first boot was only in terms of consistency
[13:58] <renatu> pmcgowan, I have rebooted several times
[13:58] <kgunn> i can't claim it truly self heals
[13:58] <kgunn> first boot = first boot after flash
[14:00] <pmcgowan> kgunn, MR says we get invalid dbus events
[14:01] <pmcgowan> but why is that happening
[14:02] <alf_> pmcgowan: here
[14:02] <pmcgowan> alf_, thanks, renato is seeing that bug on the ota
[14:02] <pmcgowan> alf_, how can he show its the same issue?
[14:03] <pmcgowan> alf_, and do we know why we get invalid events on dbus?
[14:03] <kgunn> or what's the diff between valid and invalid events
[14:04] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, can we get silos 18 and 35 signed off
[14:04] <mzanetti> pmcgowan, both for OTA-5?
[14:04] <pmcgowan> mzanetti, possibly, debating cracking it to get them in
[14:04] <mzanetti> ack
[14:05] <mzanetti> dobey, hey, about this ^^
[14:05] <mzanetti> are you on QA duty today?
[14:05] <alf_> pmcgowan: kgunn: The events are not invalid per se, perhaps a better word is "uninteresting" for USC. USC is listening for clients disconnecting from dbus, so that if such a client disconnects USC can clear any keep-display-on requests it may have issued and not explicitly cleared.
[14:05] <mzanetti> erm... sorry dobey, I meat davmor2
[14:06] <mzanetti> davmor2, I have two silos, both for unity8, both need QA signoff
[14:06] <mzanetti> davmor2, should I merge them into one?
[14:06] <dobey> oh ok :)
[14:06] <alf_> pmcgowan: kgunn: There was an error in our USC code that retriggered the inactivity timeout when we got such disconnection events from clients that hadn't registered any keep-display-on requests.
[14:06] <davmor2> mzanetti: rvr and I will be hitting silos shortly if he hasn't started already, what's up?
[14:06] <pmcgowan> alf_, any idea why this only happens rarely?
[14:07] <mzanetti> davmor2, so the thing is, we either merge them into one, or we need to QA, land, rebuild the other, QA, land
[14:07] <mzanetti> davmor2, what's your preferred approach?
[14:08] <davmor2> mzanetti: keep them separate, we only open the gates again this morning we were just finishing off the arale testing before moving onto silos,  are these suddenly urgent or something not been following the conversation sorry
[14:08] <mzanetti> davmor2, I think this is for OTA-5 still
[14:09] <alf_> pmcgowan: kgunn: That's what I have managed to reproduce at least... it's about the timing of these events. If e.g. the timeout is 2:00 and such an event comes at 1:50 then the timer is reset for 3:50 etc
[14:09] <jibel> mzanetti, which silos?
[14:09] <mzanetti> jibel, 18 & 35
[14:09] <kgunn> pmcgowan: fwiw, it's not rare 1st boot post flash
[14:09] <kgunn> it's 100% for me
[14:10] <alf_> pmcgowan: kgunn: we could also have a different problem in addition to that one though
[14:10] <jibel> pmcgowan, the lockscreen in landscape lands in OTA5 finally
[14:10] <jibel> ?
[14:10] <alf_> kgunn: which USC version are is included in OTA5?
[14:10] <kgunn> alf_: i'd have to look
[14:12] <jibel> mzanetti, davmor2 if both must go into OTA5 I'd rather merge them and do only 1 landing.
[14:12] <mzanetti> I'd say too. on it
[14:12] <alf_> kgunn: because I also found a related problem on USC trunk today (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1473979), but I don't think the offending code has been released in any package
[14:12] <davmor2> jibel: fair enough
[14:13] <kgunn> alf_: unity-system-compositor - 0.0.5+15.04.20150506.1-0ubuntu1
[14:13] <kgunn> that's what's in ppa overlay
[14:13] <seb128> alf_, kgunn, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/5077581/+listing-archive-extra
[14:13] <alf_> kgunn: ok, that doesn't have the issue I just mentioned
[14:15] <sil2100> mzanetti: combining sounds nice, assigning
[14:15] <davmor2> mzanetti: so line 77 will be the unified silo for both right?
[14:15] <sil2100> mzanetti: assigned
[14:15] <mzanetti> davmor2, thanks
[14:15] <mzanetti> sil2100, thank
[14:15] <mzanetti> davmor2, yes :D
[14:16] <mzanetti> building
[14:17] <mzanetti> sil2100, I did not reuse the other in case we decide to only include one of them... But I promise I won't request any more silos now and use the current ones up asap
[14:19] <kgunn> alf_: so to be clear, i grabbed
[14:19] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/unity-system-compositor/fix-1461476-display-off-ubuntu/+merge/264128
[14:19] <kgunn> so we can test in a silo, and land if it solves
[14:20] <dbarth> hi trainguards; i'm trying to get a silo for line 61
[14:20] <kgunn> (i also created a wily silo as well with the other twin of that mp)
[14:20] <dbarth> for reference, we uploaded a new rev. to the debian changelog (recommended by sil2100) to make that compatible with the CI sw
[14:22] <alf_> kgunn: Ack. Which channel are you using to flash the phone (to ensure we are in sync)?
[14:22] <alf_> kgunn: (Since you can reproduce it consistently)
[14:22] <kgunn> alf_: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/*
[14:23] <kgunn> any device
[14:24] <alf_> kgunn: and bq-aquaris.en or bq-aquaris.en-proposed?
[14:25] <kgunn> alf_: either...yeah, i think en-proposed just has custom tarball on it
[14:25] <kgunn> extras :)
[14:25] <kgunn> crap
[14:26] <kgunn> oh, it's just the wily one...
[14:26] <alf_> kgunn: yeah, that needs 0.14 mir
[14:27] <kgunn> alf_: ah...duh...you told me that, sorry i'm not coffee'd enough yet
[14:27] <kgunn> alf_: do we want anpok to make it part of mir0.14 ? or just land it later ?
[14:29] <alf_> kgunn: If it can make it into 0.14 then great
[14:29] <alf_> kgunn: I think we have time to pull it in
[15:06] <Mirv> dbarth: landing-052 for line 61
[15:18] <alf_> kgunn: let me know if the fix works or doesn't work for you
[15:19] <popey> sil2100: dbarth anyone reported issues between content hub and webapps?
[15:20] <popey> it impossible to tweet a photo from gallery via. content hub
[15:20] <popey> browser dies during transfer
[15:20] <kgunn> alf_: thanks!
[15:20] <popey> arale rc proposed 58
[15:20] <kgunn> wil do now
[15:25] <sil2100> hm, didn't see that reported
[15:25] <sil2100> davmor2, jibel: did you notice anything like that?
[15:26] <dbarth> popey: on krillin?
[15:27] <dbarth> popey: if you have too many apps opened, the oom killer might have you:/
[15:28] <dbarth> Mirv: thanks!
[15:28] <popey> arale
[15:29] <popey> dbarth: no apps open
[15:29] <ogra_> popey, well, there is that bug from sturmflut about arale memory management being totally off
[15:29] <popey> it is unusable
[15:29] <ogra_> so you might hit oom even if there is plenty of ram
[15:30] <popey> which bug?
[15:33] <davmor2> sil2100: yes it is a failed test
[15:34] <ogra_> popey, if i could fine the # i would have given it here :P
[15:34] <ogra_> *find
[15:34] <popey> dbarth: 5 apparmor denials in twitter
[15:34] <popey> sorry for being terse. on mx4 with no pc
[15:35] <ogra_> popey, bug 1468077
[15:36]  * ogra_ tickles ubot2
[15:37] <cwayne> jibel: hiya, would you like me to submit a scope update to QA first for a simple branding update, or just upload it to the store? sil2100 mentioned uploading it directly is fine but the check with you first :)
[15:40] <popey> ogra_: would i see oom in dmesg?
[15:40] <ogra_> syslog i think
[16:00] <kgunn> pmcgowan: alf's fix is looking good for me
[16:00] <kgunn> u-s-c screen blank
[16:00] <alf_> kgunn: \o/
[16:01] <pmcgowan> cool
[16:01] <kgunn> pmcgowan: do i need to mark that tested? e.g. will we put into ota5 ?
[16:01] <seb128> alf_, why did you say earlier that the vivid version didn't have the issue?
[16:01] <pmcgowan> kgunn, indeed
[16:01] <kgunn> seb128: 2 diff issues....
[16:01] <kgunn> 1 issue exist only in wily
[16:01] <seb128> k
[16:01] <kgunn> the other exsits everywhere
[16:04] <mzanetti> jibel, davmor2: silo 44 is built and tested, ready for qa.
[16:27] <pmcgowan> jibel, davmor2 silo 49 is also ready
[18:00] <slangasek> robru: meeting?
[18:01] <robru> slangasek: yeah I'm in there...
[18:01] <slangasek> robru: no you aren't ;)
[18:01] <sil2100> We can't see you
[18:01] <robru> slangasek: in landing-meeting? google says I'm the first one
[18:02] <sil2100> landing-team
[18:20] <sil2100> mzanetti: whoops, I blew something up in unity8 trunl
[18:20] <sil2100> *trunk
[18:20] <sil2100> Fixing it now, apologies for that...
[18:23] <mzanetti> sil2100, no worries :)
[18:23] <sil2100> Damn, stupid me...
[18:23] <sil2100> ;/
[18:24] <sil2100> One wrong button press and everything went to hell
[18:24] <mzanetti> hehe, what happened?
[18:25] <mzanetti> sil2100, did you merge a silo instead of discarding it?
[18:26] <sil2100> Yeah, I checked 'force' instead of 'free only'
[18:26] <sil2100> ;)
[18:27]  * sil2100 does a push --overwrite
[18:27]  * mzanetti looks away
[18:27] <davmor2> ssh sssssh it's oh so quiet, it's oh so still, it's oh so lovely....until, BIG BANG CRASH WALLOP sil2100 presses the wrong button
[18:27] <sil2100> mzanetti: could you check in a moment if it looks sane now?
[18:28] <sil2100> davmor2: ;p
[18:29] <mzanetti> sil2100, looks ok. the history is a bit funny. the "Merged branch lp:~aacid/unity8/revert_session_screenshotter" comment seems to be in a LP translation commit instead of albert's one
[18:29] <mzanetti> not sure if that's how the train merges tho
[18:30] <mzanetti> a pull on my previous trunk shows the correct modified files
[18:30] <sil2100> hm, I think it might be just leftover from the previous state
[18:30] <mzanetti> looks we're good
[18:31] <popey> can someone try and play vid on http://pad.lv/1474081
[18:31] <popey> am on poor wifi and dunno if my video worked
[18:32] <mzanetti> "This video is private. "
[18:32] <popey> balls
[18:32] <popey> ta
[18:32] <mzanetti> np
[18:33] <popey> now?
[18:33] <mzanetti> yep, working
[18:33] <popey> ta
[18:36] <robru> brbrunch
[18:47] <davmor2> sil2100: any second now
[18:48] <davmor2> sil2100: ^
[18:48] <davmor2> pmcgowan: ^
[18:48] <pmcgowan> woot
[18:48] <pmcgowan> thanks
[18:52] <sil2100> o/
[18:52] <sil2100> Publishing
[18:53] <sil2100> Forced the publish
[19:26] <pmcgowan> sil2100, building?
[19:26] <davmor2> sil2100, or robru: once the image is built can you please ping ToyKeeper who will carryout testing on it, many thanks
[19:27] <robru> davmor2: hm, doesn't seem there's an imgbot at the moment
[19:27] <robru> sil2100: when are you building the image?
[19:30] <pmcgowan> I haven't seen imgbot for some time
[20:06] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, well, I suppose I can just keep checking.
[20:07] <ToyKeeper> I assume it'll be krillin 66 and arale 59?
[20:23] <sil2100> popey, robru: yes
[20:23] <sil2100> It's building, but slow
[20:23] <popey> yes ?
[20:23] <sil2100> uh
[20:23] <sil2100> popey: sorry!
[20:23] <sil2100> I meant pmcgowan ^
[20:23] <sil2100> ;)
[20:23]  * popey goes back to beer
[20:23] <ToyKeeper> All you p<tab>s are the same, right?  ;P
[20:24] <popey> lulz
[20:25]  * pmcgowan wishes for beer
[20:27]  * ogra_ hands pmcgowan a Fucking Hell
[20:27] <pmcgowan> oh my
[20:27] <ogra_> http://www.younilife.com/site-uploads/2014/03/fucking-hell-bear.jpg
[20:28] <ogra_> (from the bavarian city "fucking" ... and its a light beer ... (hell in german))
[20:28] <ogra_> :)
[20:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, you had me going
[20:31] <popey> i did wonder if ogra_ had lost it
[20:31] <ogra_> lol
[20:31] <ogra_> i only recently learned about that beer :)
[20:31] <popey> but then remembered he lost it years ago
[20:32] <ogra_> lol, so true ...
[20:49] <mzanetti> cihelp: this looks like a temporary issues to me: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-unity-scope-click/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/80/console
[20:50] <mzanetti> cihelp: also only failed on one arch. can we try restarting it for getting silo 44 landed?
[20:52] <cjwatson> mzanetti: can't retry on only one arch there, unfortunately (that'll be fixed by the new infrastructure I believe), but I've kicked off a new build
[20:52] <mzanetti> cjwatson, thanks
[20:53] <fginther> cjwatson, thanks
[23:03] <sil2100> ;/
[23:08] <sil2100> Why is the importer taking so long?
[23:09] <sil2100> It's running all the time
[23:23] <sil2100> ogra_, slangasek: is it normal that import-images runs for 2 hours already?
[23:37] <slangasek> sil2100: not normal, but it's not impossible...
[23:38] <slangasek> hmm why is it using xz instead of pxz


[06:26] <ubuking> HELLO!!! :D
[06:26] <ubuking> !isitout
[22:07] <BLZbubba> hi guys, in 20.04 are you going to have an option to install XRDP via the installer?
[22:07] <BLZbubba> i can't begin to describe how infinitely helpful it is to Linux adoption
[22:08] <BLZbubba> remote desktop is a universally supported protocol these days
[22:09] <BLZbubba> but making xrdp work without distro support is quite painful
[22:10] <BLZbubba> fwiw the most hardcore windows person in our group gave us serious props for xrdp
[22:10] <OerHeks> xrdp is in our repos
[22:11] <BLZbubba> that is a great start but what will it take to promoted it to the installer, like sshd for example
[22:13] <BLZbubba> admittedly integrating with the different desktops is tricky (which is why so few people bother with it)
[22:15] <valorie> BLZbubba: I think you'd have to talk to your favorite flavor to do that
[22:16] <valorie> Ubuntu-as-a-flavor is unlikely to follow unless the "tricky" is worked out
[22:16] <valorie> #ubuntu-flavors is the chan where we all hang out
[22:17] <tomreyn> on default ubuntu, you can easily setup VNC (a widely supported protocol using openly documented internet standard RFB) via settings -> sharing
[22:20] <BLZbubba> VNC is horrifying
[22:21] <BLZbubba> from an ease-of-use standpoint
[22:26] <OerHeks> if such thing would happen, certainly not in an LTS version


[00:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: kolourpaint4 breaks/replaces kolourpain isn't needed.
[00:07] <ScottK> apachelogger and debfx: all the existing plunder is in.  Please send more.
[01:32] <ScottK> Looks like we could use some MIR work https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-July/000249.html
[01:38] <LaserJock> ScottK: do you really want to MIR those?
[01:39] <ScottK> Not sure.
[01:39] <LaserJock> or could you move to Suggests or something
[01:39] <ScottK> I didn't actually look into it.
[01:39] <LaserJock> everything but blinken and edict are font packages
[01:39] <LaserJock> blinken might make sense since it is part of KDE Edu
[01:44] <LaserJock> ScottK: if you move them to Main would that imply that they would go on the CD?
[01:44] <ScottK> LaserJock: Or on the dvd.
[01:44] <ScottK> Most of those are from kdeedu.
[01:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:46] <LaserJock> I don't remember why blinken was demoted but it hasn't been in Main for as long as I worked with Edubuntu
[01:47] <LaserJock> it could be just a historical thing
[01:47] <ScottK> ttf-sjfonts would have to be promoted too, but that's trivial.
[04:36] <yofel> yay, armle build of marble worked, the symbols don't match though :S
[04:36] <yofel> *armel
[04:56] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/libmarblewidget12.symbols symbol updates
[04:56] <yofel> meh, amd64 symbols refreshed, stupid toolchain
[04:56]  * yofel rebuilds armel
[04:58] <yofel> bbl
[05:37] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/libmarblewidget12.symbols update with armel symbols
[06:58] <ScottK> yofel: http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1240908&view=revision needs to get added to our 4.6.5 packages.  It's 3am here, so I'm off to bed.  Please fix/find someone to fix.
[07:04] <shadeslayer> i can do that if you want
[07:28] <yofel> re
[07:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: are you adding it?
[07:28] <shadeslayer> yus
[07:30] <yofel> hm, how was that gpg agent supposed to launch at login again?
[07:31] <yofel> it's not running in O here :/
[07:34] <shadeslayer> ubottu: botsnack
[07:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: is your server down or sth?
[07:35] <yofel> it's not
[07:35] <shadeslayer> weird, can't ssh
[07:35] <shadeslayer> yofel.dyndns.org: Name or service not known ...
[07:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: blame your DNS I would say
[07:36] <yofel> does <IP_ADDRESS> work?
[07:36] <shadeslayer> yup
[07:36] <shadeslayer> works now, looks like a temporary issue
[07:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: what happens if my pbuilder runs out of space when using tmpfs?
[07:40] <shadeslayer> does it start swapping?
[07:40] <yofel> yes
[07:40] <shadeslayer> kewl
[07:41] <bambee> morning
[07:41] <yofel> make sure you've got enough swap :P
[07:41] <yofel> no space left on device is better than oom-kill
[07:41] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[07:41] <yofel> good morning bambee
[07:41] <shadeslayer> morning bambee
[07:42] <bambee> hi :)
[07:42] <yofel> heh, kross-interpreters changelog:
[07:42] <yofel>   2   * "Bye bye to you, ugly monolithic kdebindings" release.
[07:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[07:45] <yofel> couldn't have said it better :P
[07:50] <bambee> lol
[07:52] <bambee> Can someone change the topic to put kde "4.6.95" ?
[07:52] <shadeslayer> bambee: you can do it too
[07:53] <Quintasan> Good morning
[07:53] <bambee> shadeslayer: really? I did not know xD
[07:55] <Quintasan> Are we done with uploading to main yet?
[07:55] <yofel> uh, no?
[07:56] <Quintasan> yofel: What is that you wanted me to review?
[07:56] <yofel> marble
[07:56] <yofel> it's a globe full of fun copyrights
[07:56] <Quintasan> Oh snap.
[07:56] <Quintasan> Gotta make tea then
[07:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I guess you are done with the Ark 4.6.5 fix which was posted on kde-packagers
[07:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its building here, will upload in a couple of minutes
[07:57] <Quintasan> Awesome.
[07:57] <yofel> btw. can someone with superpowers take care of bug 808650 ?
[07:58] <yofel> and make ScottK promote that to main
[07:58] <Quintasan> I do not think I can do that
[07:58] <shadeslayer> only a archive admin can do that
[07:59] <Quintasan> ScottK: Did you get cjwatson to run that magical packageset script?
[07:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: iirc he did
[07:59] <Quintasan> yofel: I recommend that you use warp-and-sort
[07:59] <Quintasan> Making stuff look like that by hand is fine but warp-and-sort is just wra<tab> :P
[08:00] <yofel> ah
[08:00]  * Quintasan goes off to make some tea
[08:02] <shadeslayer> warp-and-sort?
[08:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: go to some directory with debian/ and issue it and look at debian/control
[08:06] <shadeslayer> oooh
[08:06] <shadeslayer> that is one fancy script
[08:17] <yofel> bbl
[08:39] <Quintasan> yofel: Marble looks fine to me, unless I missed some licensing foo it should be good to upload
[08:58] <debfx> shadeslayer: in the libkipi copyright file you don't really say that most files are GPLv2
[09:01] <Quintasan> debfx: Would you mind re-reviewing parley in a minute?
[09:02] <Quintasan> debfx: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/parley_4.6.90+repack.orig.tar.bz2 <-- new tarball and I pushed updated copyright magic to bzr
[09:03] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[09:03] <debfx> Quintasan: can do
[09:03] <Quintasan> debfx: Thanks
[09:07] <Quintasan> debfx: Please leave comments on wiki https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[09:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: looks like cjwatson did not run the script
[09:16] <Quintasan> :S
[09:21] <Quintasan> debfx: How do I check in which packageset a package is?
[09:32] <debfx> Quintasan: no, but presumably there is some lpapi method to do that
[09:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/94267/ <-- I asked cjwatson to add these to packageset so far
[09:44] <Quintasan> debfx: In case you wanted to know edit_acl.py can do this stuff -> lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[09:45] <debfx> ah, I only used edit_acl to dump all packages in a packageset
[09:46] <Quintasan> debfx: I grepped the output :P
[09:47] <apachelogger> debfx: I hardly think that lintian warning is sufficient reason for multiple binaries
[09:47] <apachelogger> debfx: at best I'd go for suggests okular
[09:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you bzr push kdemm yet?
[09:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did not
[09:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: about "apachelogger: kolourpaint4 breaks/replaces kolourpain isn't needed." ... that is from the old packaging, supposedly we can drop it, kolourpaint was last in hardy IIRC
[09:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: plz do
[09:48] <debfx> apachelogger: it's not about the lintian warning itself but the reason why it's emitted
[09:48] <apachelogger> debfx: which is?
[09:50] <debfx> the package installs a desktop file with MimeType=... so you'll get an error when you try to open those and okular isn't installed
[09:51] <apachelogger> debfx: tryexec is the fix to that
[09:53] <debfx> apachelogger: ok. also I think the package name is too generic as it's hardly the only software that deals with mobipocket
[09:56] <apachelogger> true
[09:56] <apachelogger> kdegraphics-mobipocket?
[09:56] <apachelogger> perhaps we can get upstream to change it too
[10:00] <CIA-52> [kiten] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (kiten.docs copyright) document license for dict files and install it to kiten docs
[10:00] <CIA-52> [kiten] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* releasing version 4:4.6.90+repack-0ubuntu1
[10:01] <Quintasan> debfx: Did you upload Parley?
[10:03] <Quintasan> debfx: If so then thanks, if no then why the hell did it upload? :P
[10:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: kiten in new again
[10:04] <debfx> Quintasan: yep. the copyright file was incomplete but I've fixed that (see bzr branch)
[10:04] <apachelogger> that dictionary situation really ought to be discussed with upstream
[10:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is kate fixed yet?
[10:08] <CIA-52> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1
[10:08] <CIA-52> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1
[10:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Apparently it is, wiki states it needs upload
[10:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kdemm?
[10:19] <apachelogger> anyone got time to test a natty-proposed package real quick?
[10:22] <apachelogger> bambee: did you merge propose kdeutils?
[10:25] <apachelogger> meh, no sd cards today :(
[10:29] <yofel> Quintasan: pong
[10:30] <CIA-52> [kdetoys] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/control don't introduce pointless dependency precision handled by kde-sc-dev-latest
[10:31] <CIA-52> [kdetoys] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1
[10:32] <bambee> apachelogger: no
[10:32] <bambee> I will propose a merge now
[10:32] <apachelogger> kthx
[10:36] <bambee> yofel: I don't understand your changes in kdeutils-4.6.90-0ubuntu1~ppa2, why a ~ppa2?
[10:37] <bambee> where is the ~ppa1?
[10:37] <yofel> ah, I probably synced that with bzr and didn't add a new changelog for that
[10:37] <bambee> it's not in bzr yet
[10:37] <yofel> or wait, I think that was just a rebuild
[10:37] <bambee> that's why I don't understand...
[10:37] <yofel> for fixed kde-workspace
[10:38] <CIA-52> [kdesdk] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90-1ubuntu1
[10:38] <bambee> mhhh
[10:40] <apachelogger> yofel: can you plz confirm bug 708508
[10:41] <apachelogger> well, verify really
[10:41] <yofel> once I get home to my natty system, sure, will take ~1h
[10:41] <apachelogger> kthx
[10:45] <CIA-52> [rocs] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90+repack-0ubuntu1
[10:51] <Quintasan> yofel: nvm I tried uploading kde-baseapps but I had no access
[10:51] <Quintasan> yofel: Shouldn't ~ppa2 contain the regression patch?
[10:51] <Quintasan> of kdeutils
[10:52] <yofel> 4.6.5? I didn't touch it
[10:52] <Quintasan> 4.6.90 had that as well
[10:52] <yofel> ah, I didn't add it
[10:52] <Quintasan> 4.6.95 should be fixed so don't sweat it
[10:53] <Quintasan> yofel: Shall I upload kde-baseapps -ubuntu2
[10:53] <Quintasan> ?
[10:54] <yofel> feel free to, has a fixed copyright file, not that important though
[10:54] <Quintasan> Copyright magic is important!
[10:54]  * Quintasan wants a excuse to try uploading
[10:54] <yofel> lol
[10:57] <bambee> https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kdeutils/+merge/67523 :)
[11:02] <Quintasan> yofel: Accepted :D
[11:02] <yofel> ^^
[11:02] <shadeslayer> hmm, nouveau actually works ...
[11:03] <yofel> as long as you don't have my noteboot it does
[11:03] <yofel> *notebook
[11:03] <shadeslayer> hahahah
[11:03] <shadeslayer> well, a couple of my windows are freezing, except for that, works well
[11:05] <bambee> shadeslayer: what videocard have you?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> nvidia 8600 MGT
[11:06] <shadeslayer> for some reason i can't install nvidia-current, and nouveau was the next best thing
[11:07] <bambee> nouveau should just work with this card
[11:07] <shadeslayer> it is :)
[11:07] <bambee> :)
[11:08] <bambee> which kernel? :D
[11:08] <shadeslayer> 2.6.38-10-generic
[11:09] <shadeslayer> oh btw : http://paste.ubuntu.com/641809/
[11:09] <bambee> for some reason linux-3.0 is unsable with nouveau and gallium here :\
[11:09] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[11:09] <bambee> I've to switch to 2.6.38 and everything works fine
[11:11] <shadeslayer> my entire interwebz is *crawling* for some reason
[11:12]  * shadeslayer fixes DNS's
[11:28]  * nigelb waves
[11:28] <nigelb> this is one channel I forgot from my autojoin :/
[11:28] <yofel> heh, wb :)
[11:33] <Quintasan> nigelb: How could you :<
[11:33]  * Quintasan waves to nigelb
[11:34] <nigelb> Quintasan: :( No excuses
[11:34] <Quintasan> nigelb: Well, now that you are here you are forgiven ;)
[11:34] <nigelb> hehe
[11:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Is kate fixxxx0rd?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes, but hold on just one sec
[11:36] <Quintasan> Fix what you have to fix and I will upload
[11:36] <shadeslayer> lemme run that sort script
[11:36] <Quintasan> review and upload*
[11:36] <Quintasan> wrap-and-sort
[11:37] <shadeslayer> yep, thats the one
[11:38] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Rohan Garg * 17 * debian/ (control copyright kate-data.install kate-dev.install) Minor clean up using wrap-and-sort
[11:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: done, get packaging from bzr, tarball from ninjas
[11:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: are you continuing uploads of new stuff?
[11:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Ah, what's up with the stuff marked as NEW on Wiki?
[11:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is in source new
[11:40] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/step] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (control copyright) wrap-and-sort cleanup
[11:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I wanted to upload kate since it is marked as needs upload
[11:41] <yofel> fun script, bbiab
[11:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and?
[11:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: And nothing
[11:41] <apachelogger> k :P
[11:41] <Quintasan> reviewing and uploading kate
[11:42]  * apachelogger is doing phonon stuff for the rest of the day
[11:42] <debfx> bambee: is the libkexiv2 package ready?
[11:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kross-interpreters <-- find someone to sync that
[11:43] <apachelogger> file sync request and find an archive admin employed by canonical
[11:43] <apachelogger> not high priority though IIR the dep graph correctly
[11:44] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[11:44] <shadeslayer> kdevelop introduced libqtwebkit-dev as a dep in a minor release
[11:44] <shadeslayer> someone should spank them
[11:46] <shadeslayer> or not ...
[11:46] <shadeslayer> one of our packages misses a depends on libqtwebkit-dev
[11:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Be more specific
[11:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: previously libqtwebkit-dev was pulled in automagically when building kdevelop
[11:50] <shadeslayer> now its not
[11:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Maybe it was dropped in that package?
[11:50] <shadeslayer> probably, looking at the build deps
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kdelibs5-dev needs to depend on libqtwebkit-dev it seems
[11:52] <bambee> debfx: it is
[11:52] <bambee> debfx: it has been merged two days ago
[11:53] <debfx> shadeslayer: I've dropped that dependency while merging kdelibs
[11:53] <shadeslayer> oneiric : http://paste.kde.org/94309 , natty : http://paste.kde.org/94315
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:53] <shadeslayer> debfx: ok, adding deps to kdevelop then
[11:54] <Quintasan> I was about to write that if it had to depend on webkit then it would have failed
[11:54] <Quintasan> it being kdelibs
[11:55]  * Quintasan goes on a break
[11:55]  * jussi breaks Quintasan
[11:56] <debfx> bambee: ok, I'll upload it
[11:56]  * Quintasan throws bricks at jussi
[11:56] <jussi> hehe
[11:56]  * shadeslayer gives jussi a dual portal gun
[11:57] <jussi> what the heck is a dual portal gun?
[11:57]  * Quintasan sets the portals so bricks fall at shadeslayer endlessly
[11:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: :O
[11:57] <Quintasan> jussi: It's a gun that opens portals
[11:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A88YiZdXugA
[11:58] <shadeslayer> its a flipping awesome game
[11:58] <shadeslayer> iirc its 25 USD on steam these days
[12:09] <ScottK> yofel: Why does kross-interpreters need to be in Main?
[12:09] <ScottK> Quintasan: I saw the discussion about packagset changes on #ubuntu-devel.  Great (you're in a better TZ for such discussions with him anyway).
[12:13] <yofel> re
[12:14] <yofel> ScottK: seems like it in fact doesn't need to be in main. parley used to recommend it but Quintasan dropped that it seems for 4.6.90
[12:14] <yofel> Quintasan: any specific reason for that?
[12:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, but it was carried forward into the new packaging and should be dropped (kolourpaint)
[12:16] <apachelogger> right
[12:16] <apachelogger> that is what I said :P
[12:16] <ScottK> I'll have a look at kiten in a bit.
[12:16] <ScottK> Please keep the plunder coming.
[12:17]  * nigelb blinks and reads channel name again
[12:17]  * apachelogger is doing phonon and looks at Quintasan and debfx
[12:17]  * apachelogger wonders whatever happend to JT
[12:17] <shadeslayer> job?
[12:18] <apachelogger> 24/7?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> job+minecraft+tf2 then :P
[12:18] <apachelogger> that sounds more like it
[12:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you have a job now?
[12:18]  * apachelogger waves fist
[12:18] <apachelogger> lazy children
[12:18] <shadeslayer> nigelb: not me, JT
[12:19] <nigelb> ah
[12:19] <apachelogger> nigelb: dont be ridiculous :P
[12:19] <shadeslayer> oh any ideas if DarkwingDuck got into canonical?
[12:19] <apachelogger> since he has not said anything in here for like weeks I presume so
[12:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, i got plasma-active running from neon packages, but built from different branches
[12:27] <apachelogger> rbelem: I got it with oneiric :P
[12:27] <apachelogger> actually straight forward
[12:27] <apachelogger> we only need to package kdelibs experimental
[12:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[12:28]  * apachelogger tries to fix his X right now though :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> somehow broke it with gles stuff
[12:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, it needs some other branch of kde-runtime
[12:28] <apachelogger> rly?
[12:28] <rbelem> yup
[12:28] <apachelogger> well, I did not start it yet
[12:29] <apachelogger> surely it is well documented
[12:29] <apachelogger> ...
[12:29] <rbelem> i tried with master and i got lots of errors
[12:30] <rbelem> then i checkout to active-development/4.7
[12:30] <rbelem> and it worked
[12:31] <apachelogger> oh, that is entirely possible
[12:31] <apachelogger> well, depending on their changes we might be able to package that easily
[12:31] <rbelem> apachelogger, but i'm stille getting this error "Error loading QML file. 24: module "org.kde.plasma.slccomponents" is not installed"
[12:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/share-like-connect
[12:32] <apachelogger> that should contain slc IIRC
[12:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, we need to freeze a version before they start making changes for kde 4.8
[12:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, nice :-) thanks
[12:33] <apachelogger> well
[12:34] <apachelogger> I think they will have to work against 4.8
[12:34] <apachelogger> sebas wants a stable release by september or something
[12:34] <apachelogger> wouldnt be much stable if it ran on 4.8
[12:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, awesome
[12:34] <apachelogger> at any rate we could in theory build special versions of libs and stuff
[12:35] <Quintasan> yofel: I did drop that?
[12:35] <Quintasan> It must have been by accident
[12:35] <apachelogger> but then we'd have kdelibs twice in memory
[12:35] <apachelogger> that surely would not be nice
[12:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, and find the specific revision would be painful
[12:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, if they work against 4.8 we can just take latest master, as that is bound to be working ;)
[12:36] <yofel> apachelogger: what gst package do I need to install? all of them?
[12:36] <apachelogger> yes
[12:36] <apachelogger> when?
[12:36] <apachelogger> for what?
[12:36] <apachelogger> why?
[12:36] <yofel> gst SRU?
[12:37] <apachelogger> ah
[12:37] <apachelogger> whatever phonon-gstreamer depends on
[12:37] <apachelogger> then export PHONON_GST_GST_DEBUG=5
[12:37] <apachelogger> almost no output should be generated
[12:37] <apachelogger> then upgrade libgstreamer0.10
[12:38] <apachelogger> try again
[12:38] <apachelogger> your system should almost die now from the amount of debug
[12:38] <apachelogger> if you want to die it for realz try with 9 instead of 5 :P
[12:38] <rbelem> apachelogger, do we have packages for share-like-connect?
[12:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: kdevelop ftbfs
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sawn, working on it
[12:40] <shadeslayer> i think its because i removed quilt
[12:41] <yofel> bah
[12:41]  * yofel exported the wrong var
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you upload kate?
[12:41] <yofel> GAAAH
[12:41] <yofel> apachelogger: works
[12:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Not yet
[12:42] <apachelogger> yofel: please comment and set tag verification-done or something
[12:42] <apachelogger> yofel: thanks :)
[12:42] <yofel> doing already
[12:43]  * yofel tries to get a oneiric VM and check what happens if you run kdepim 4.4 with kde 4.7
[12:49] <ScottK> yofel: I think it's not supported.
[12:53] <yofel> apachelogger: since I agree with ScottK there, are you sure we should put that into experimental?
[12:54] <apachelogger> yes
[12:54] <apachelogger> and for the reason please have a look at irclogs
[12:54]  * apachelogger reasoned like 3 times why it is supremely dangerous to go directly to oneiric with 4.7
[12:55]  * apachelogger broke his X
[12:55] <apachelogger> rbelem: how much faster is class10?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same here
[12:55]  * apachelogger did not receive his cards today so he is a bit sad
[13:03] <ScottK> pykde source accepted.
[13:15] <ScottK>  libkexiv2 source accepted.
[13:19] <ScottK> Why does libkipi-dbg both Depends libkipi8 (= ${binary:Version}) and Suggests libkipi8 (= ${source:Version})
[13:19] <ScottK> Should be fixed.
[13:21] <ScottK> Otherwise I think it's OK.  Accepting.
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: actually thats fixed in bzr
[13:31] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkipi] Rohan Garg * 10 * debian/ (control copyright) Wrap and sort
[13:33] <shadeslayer> wth kdevelop is ftbfs
[13:37] <ScottK> OK.
[13:37] <ScottK> parley source accepted.
[13:38] <shadeslayer> wtf, kdevelop builds just fine on my laptop
[13:38] <shadeslayer> and in the PPA it fails :S
[13:49] <ScottK> libkexiv2 binaries accepted.
[13:50] <debfx> PSA: please disable dh_auto_test only if it's really necessary
[13:51] <ScottK> libkipi binaries accepted.
[13:52] <ScottK> You ought to be able to upload things that use those binaries in an hour.
[13:59] <shadeslayer> oh good god, kded4 is at 100%
[14:02] <ScottK> kiten source accepted.
[14:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should implement detection for ran away modules :P
[14:06] <shadeslayer> i would, if i had any idea how it is supposed to be done
[14:07] <ScottK> Good timing with marble.
[14:07] <ScottK> I'd just finished the rest of the stuff.
[14:14] <debfx> so what packages are missing to get a ~working kde again?
[14:15] <apachelogger> workspace should be up again
[14:15] <apachelogger> actually I built plasma-mobile earlier today so I doubt there is much breakage left in the workspace area ^^
[14:16] <ScottK> Why isn't the binary for pykde4 not python-kde4?
[14:16] <ScottK> marble source is in.
[14:17] <yofel> bambee: ^
[14:18] <debfx> ScottK: I don't understand, too many negations ;)
[14:18] <ScottK> The binary in pykde4 is pykde4.
[14:18] <ScottK> I would have expected it to be python-kde4.
[14:18] <ScottK> Why not that?
[14:18] <yofel> It's python-kde4 in bzr
[14:18] <debfx> ScottK: the binary is python-kde4
[14:19] <ScottK> Sorry
[14:19] <ScottK> LP U/I confused me.
[14:19] <ScottK> Nevermind
[14:19] <yofel> bambee: unping ^^
[14:22] <apachelogger> stupid lp
[14:22] <bambee> yofel: ?
[14:22] <bambee> ah
[14:22] <bambee> ok
[14:22] <yofel> sry
[14:22] <bambee> np :)
[14:34] <debfx> shadeslayer: why does kate-dbg depend on libc6-dbg [amd64]?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> debfx: it shouldn't , i forgot to remove that
[14:37] <apachelogger> where is the sheytan :
[14:37] <apachelogger> S
[14:38] <shadeslayer> i saw him a couple of hours ago iirc
[14:38] <shadeslayer> debfx: fixed
[14:38] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Rohan Garg * 18 * debian/control Remove libc6-dbg from kate-dbg depends
[14:38] <yofel> ~seen sheytan
[14:38] <kubotu> sheytan was last seen 19 hours, 1 minute and 28 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[14:40] <ScottK> pykde4 binaries accepted.
[14:42] <debfx> shadeslayer: thanks. why is -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Kubuntu packages" necessary?
[14:42] <yofel> leftover from kdelibs I would say
[14:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: it was being used in kdelibs, which is why i kept it
[14:43] <debfx> afaik it's only needed for kdelibs
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ok, fixing
[14:46] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm going to hold off commiting this right now, let me know if you find any other issues, i'll fix all of them in one go
[14:47] <shadeslayer> i'll also enable tests since they did build the last time i checked
[14:47] <debfx> ok
[14:48] <debfx> shadeslayer: libkatepartinterfaces4.symbols has version 4.7.0
[14:48] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, should that have been 4.7 ?
[14:49] <yofel> rather 4.6.90
[14:49] <debfx> 4:4.6.90
[14:49] <yofel> right
[14:50] <debfx> hrm, half the kate tests segfault
[14:51] <debfx> and the other half requires X ^^
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ok, should i just replace all those with 4:4.6.90 or go through the entire process of generating them again?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> debfx: yeah
[14:51] <shadeslayer> will keep them disabled
[14:52] <debfx> you can just replace the version
[14:52] <debfx> you can drop the breaks/replaces of kate-dev and libkatepartinterfaces4
[14:53]  * debfx wonders why lintian doesn't have a warning for packages that break or replace themselves
[14:54] <shadeslayer> fixed all of these issues
[14:56] <shadeslayer> question, does the 4.7.0 version at the end of the symbols file mean/do anything?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> or does it just represent the version against which the symbols were generated
[14:56] <apachelogger> yofel will know
[14:58] <debfx> shadeslayer: kate-dbg recommends kdelibs-bin (= ${binary:Version}). you can't do that because it's in a different source package
[14:58] <debfx> why does it recommend that anyway?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> right, thats wrong
[14:59] <shadeslayer> leftover from kdelibs i think
[14:59] <yofel> IIRC it's the version you generated them at, so the next check knows when the symbols are from. Or rather you as maintainer know when those symbols were added so you can decide what to do with them
[15:00] <shadeslayer> debfx: i don't think i need the Recommends field at all
[15:01] <debfx> shadeslayer: yes, imo depending on kdebase-runtime-dbg (like kdesdk-dbg) would be best
[15:01] <shadeslayer> indeed
[15:02] <shadeslayer> i guess thats kde-runtime-dbg now
[15:03] <debfx> yofel: how does the symbols version affect packages that link against the library? :)
[15:03] <yofel> apachelogger: that's as much as I know, iirc they also affect the versioned dependencies, but I'm not sure how
[15:03] <debfx> shadeslayer: ah, right
[15:04]  * yofel makes a note to read the dpkg-gensymbols manpage again later
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:05] <yofel> debfx: although, guessing from what I said, you can set a minimal version dependency on a library for other packages that depend on it?
[15:06] <yofel> or rather dpkg will do that from the symbols file
[15:07] <debfx> shadeslayer: W: kate-data: copyright-refers-to-deprecated-bsd-license-file
[15:07] <debfx> and I: kate: arch-dep-package-has-big-usr-share 3254kB 51%
[15:08] <shadeslayer> never seen that lintian error
[15:08]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:08] <debfx> i.e. all the arch independent stuff should be moved to kate-data
[15:08] <shadeslayer> hmm .. lets see
[15:10] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Rohan Garg * 19 * debian/ (control libkatepartinterfaces4.symbols rules) * kate-dev, libkatepartinterfaces4 : Don't Break/Replaces self
[15:10] <debfx> ./usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so.4 should be in kate-dev instead of kate
[15:10] <debfx> ah no, it should be in libkatepartinterfaces4
[15:10] <shadeslayer> uh, but we have earlier shipped that file with kate
[15:11] <yofel> debfx: only libkatepartinterfaces4 has a seperate package as it was from kdelibs before, libkateinferfaces.so.4 was always in kate
[15:12] <yofel> should that get it's own package?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> so, should i move everything in /usr/share/ in kate to kate-data?
[15:14] <yofel> well, everything arch-indep, so yes
[15:14] <debfx> yofel: re your earlier question: you can but symbol files may override that
[15:14] <debfx> ah now I'm confused with all those similar named kate libs
[15:14] <yofel> happened to everyone here ^^
[15:15] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[15:16] <debfx> what packages build-depend on kate-dev?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> wasn't there a script in kate that detects dupes
[15:17] <shadeslayer> can't find it anymore
[15:17] <yofel> debfx: don't think there are any. IIRC that package was created since a user complained he couldn't build kate plugins due to missing headers
[15:18] <debfx> yofel: every library that is covered by a -dev packages should be in an own package
[15:18] <yofel> ok, agreed
[15:20] <shadeslayer> so split out libkateinterfaces?
[15:20] <yofel> yes
[15:20] <yofel> it's not in /usr/lib/kde4/ either
[15:21] <shadeslayer> so public lib, needs new symbols
[15:21] <shadeslayer> anything else?
[15:22] <debfx> there is also libktexteditor_codesnippets_core.so
[15:24] <shadeslayer> so ... libktexteditor0 ?
[15:24] <yofel> rather the full name, at least it's versioned
[15:26] <yofel> as in libktexteditor-codesnippets-core0 I think
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ok, i'm off to dinner for now, will cya in a bit
[15:29] <ScottK> rocs binaries acceptes.
[15:29] <ScottK> s/d
[15:32] <ScottK> marble binaries accepted.
[15:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: All the plunder is in.  Send more.
[15:33] <apachelogger> debfx: All the plunder is in. Send more.
[15:33] <yofel> debfx: with libkexiv2 and marble up kdeplasma-addons should be uploadable
[15:33]  * apachelogger is phonon overlord master supreme general king emperor minion today
[15:34] <ScottK> NCommander: I never heard back from anyone in #linaro about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdcraw/4:4.6.90+repack1-0ubuntu1/+build/2616014/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.libkdcraw_4%3A4.6.90%2Brepack1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - plese help.
[15:38] <debfx> apachelogger: I've already reviewed too many packages today, I'll leave the rest for you tomorrow (since apparently we are the only kubuntu-devs that upload packages these days)
[15:39]  * apachelogger throws broken pornon code at Quintasan
[15:40]  * yofel wanted to redirect that to johnthetaco but he's not here...
[15:41] <debfx> another PSA: when you rename a package you need to conflict,replace,provide the old one
[15:41]  * apachelogger waves fist a bit
[15:42] <debfx> versioned breaks,replaces confuse apt in that case
[15:42] <apachelogger> debfx: in what case?
[15:43] <apachelogger> ah, provides
[15:43] <apachelogger> well
[15:43] <apachelogger> debfx: IIRC the policy suggests breaks these days
[15:43] <debfx> apachelogger: when you don't have a transitional package
[15:43] <apachelogger> perhaps it will work then
[15:43] <apachelogger> at any rate transitional package is the safest bet and should be used whenever possible
[15:43] <apachelogger> IMHO
[15:44]  * apachelogger rolls a dice to find out how to fix what he broke in phonon
[15:47] <debfx> apachelogger: afaik the policy only recommends breaks if it's versioned
[15:49] <apachelogger> debfx: well yes, randomly guessing, a versioned breaks, replaces might work in combination with provides
[15:49] <apachelogger> as conflicts replaces provides is implementation-wise a special case
[15:50] <apachelogger> breaks and conflicts act on different states in the package state machine, so it is entirely possible that a versioned conflicts could mess things up whereas a breaks results in right behaviour
[15:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when do I get meego keyboard packages btw?
[15:53] <debfx> versioned breaks/conflicts/... don't make sense when you rename the package
[15:54] <debfx> since there won't be a new version of the old package
[15:57] <apachelogger> debfx: yeah, unless it gets renamed again
[15:58] <apachelogger> or another package takes the place for that matter
[15:58] <apachelogger> which is the more concerning case
[15:58] <apachelogger> cause in that case you'd need to create the new package and change the other package to use a versioned death relation
[15:58]  * yofel notes he had to fix some unversioned breaks replaces against some okular package somewhere
[15:58] <yofel> so this *does* happen
[16:01] <debfx> in that case you also need to drop the provides and it's all messy anyway
[16:09] <debfx> oh, kubuntu-desktop is broken, it depends on kdebase-workspace-bin
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aw crap, i just saw the Mid term eval mail
[16:17]  * yofel totally forgot that it's dev week this week :/
[16:17] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[16:18] <yofel> python packaging sounds interesting
[16:18] <shadeslayer> that and Desktop Q&A
[16:19] <shadeslayer> won't be able to attend either
[16:19] <nigelb> Also, if you folks want to do a lighting talk about something, please find me.
[16:19] <nigelb> We have plenty of slots for lightning talks
[16:30] <debfx> we now have a package called kdewallpapers and another one called kde-wallpapers ^^
[16:31] <yofel> was wondering if we should rename kdewallpapers into kde-extra-wallpapers or so
[16:31] <yofel> or kde-wallpapers-extra, but that sounds like it's from kde-wallpapers, not kdeartwork
[16:33] <debfx> hm yes, though we'd have to keep kdewallpapers as a transitional package
[16:33] <yofel> yep
[16:34] <debfx> which makes 3 kde wallpaper packages :D
[16:34] <shadeslayer> more wallpapers for everyone \o/
[16:34] <yofel> well, it makes it look like we have more :P
[16:34] <debfx> I hope muon has some logic to hide transitional packages
[16:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is that crap?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats crap?
[16:36] <apachelogger> nigelb: can I lightning talk about fluffy?
[16:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you said aw crap
[16:36] <nigelb> apachelogger: yeah, sure!
[16:36] <apachelogger> woohooo
[16:36] <apachelogger> nigelb: I'll poke you later about that then ^^
[16:36] <apachelogger> or tomorrow
[16:36] <apachelogger> more likely tomorrow
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah, because now i'm in a state of panick since i missed that announcement
[16:37]  * apachelogger is rather deep in fancy code right now
[16:37] <nigelb> apachelogger: cool!
[16:37] <shadeslayer> s/panick/panic/
[16:37] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "apachelogger: ah, because now i'm in a state of panic since i missed that announcement"
[16:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah, well, I just hold on to eean telling me what to do and when ^^
[16:37] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> which might fail as he is rather busy with other things :S
[16:37] <apachelogger> there
[16:37] <apachelogger> now I am in a state of panic too
[16:37] <apachelogger> great job there
[16:37] <shadeslayer> wohoo :P
[16:38]  * apachelogger wonders how he managed to degrade drawing performance by 300%
[16:38] <shadeslayer> whoa
[16:39] <davmor2> apachelogger: did you look at something?  If so I'd start there and work back to things you touched and then changed and so on ;)
[16:40] <apachelogger> I was making sweet love to the code
[16:40] <apachelogger> so I was all over it
[16:40] <apachelogger> :S
[16:41]  * nigelb blinks seeing davmor2
[16:41] <apachelogger> ah
[16:41] <apachelogger> no wond0r
[16:41] <apachelogger> QRectF(400.889,240.5 -1.77778x-1)
[16:41] <apachelogger> that looks rather kaput
[16:41]  * apachelogger blames shadeslayer
[16:41]  * shadeslayer blames exams
[16:41] <davmor2> nigelb: Why?  I still test kubuntu and its browsers from time to time
[16:42] <nigelb> davmor2: Yah, the blink wwas seeing you everywhere
[16:42] <davmor2> muhahahaha
[16:45] <bambee> artifacts with nouveau ftw!
[16:45] <bambee> play to urbanterror is just impossible, arrff :'(
[16:55] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: not yet...
[16:55] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: so the interviews are still going on?
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: they are concerned about my lack of QA but, Jono said I'm still the guy to beat.. I'll for 100% by the end of the month.
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ah, best of luck in that case :D
[17:58]  * ScottK notes a depressing lack of new plunder in New.
[18:00] <DarkwingDuck> We'll see how it goes.
[18:00] <debfx> ScottK: that leaves more time for you to review packages
[18:00] <ScottK> debfx: Well, I need to get some actual $WORK done today too, unfortunately.
[18:05] <debfx> sure, just saying that there is enough stuff to review even when NEW is empty ;)
[18:14] <ScottK> Yeah, understood.
[18:14] <ScottK> $WORK is really busy right now, so I'm trying to make sure I save most of my Kubuntu time for New since I'm the only one around who can do it.
[19:02] <ScottK> debfx: If you have a moment, kdesdk fails on powerpc.  That's the only arch where the new cmake got used.  Is there any chance this is due to a cmake bug? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74989491/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-powerpc.kdesdk_4%3A4.6.90-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:02] <debfx> bambee: there are some uninstalled files in kdeutils like /usr/lib/kde4/kremotecontrol_lirc.so
[19:03] <bambee> debfx: fixing
[19:03] <debfx> /usr/share/kde4/services/kremotecontrolbackends/kremotecontrol_lirc.desktop and /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/kremotecontrolmanager.desktop are the other ones
[19:04] <debfx> ScottK: I've built several packages using the new cmake without problems
[19:05] <debfx> there isn't an error message or am I missing something?
[19:05] <ScottK> I don't see one.
[19:05] <yofel> bambee: can you take another look at kdeplasma-addons too? There are themes in list-missing
[19:05] <bambee> yofel: sure
[19:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: Can you do a test build of kdesdk from oneiric on powerpc?
[19:08] <yofel> ScottK, debfx: error:
[19:08] <yofel> [ 84%] Building CXX object okteta/program/CMakeFiles/okteta.dir/mainwindow.o
[19:08] <yofel> cd okteta/program && /usr/bin/c++   -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -D_REENTRANT -DKDE_DEPRECATED_WARNINGS -DKDE4_CMAKE_TOPLEVEL_DIR_LENGTH=13 -DQT_USE_FAST_CONCATENATION -DQT_USE_FAST_OPERATOR_PLUS -DQT_USE_FAST_CONCATENATION -DQT_USE_FAST_OPERATOR_PLUS -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII -DNO_STRUCTURES_TOOL -g -O2  -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -ansi -Wundef -Wcast-align -Wchar-
[19:08] <yofel> subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security -fno-exceptions -DQT_NO_EXCEPTIONS -fno-check-new -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -fno-threadsafe-statics -fvisibility=hidden -Werror=return-type -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -DNDEBUG -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I. -I../../../okteta/program -I../../.. -I../.. -I../kasten/controllers -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/controllers -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/controllers/document -I../../..
[19:08] <yofel> /okteta/program/../kasten/controllers/view -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/controllers/view/libfinddialog -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/gui -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/gui/io -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/gui/view -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/core -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/core/io -I../../../okteta/program/../kasten/core/document -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/controllers -I../../..
[19:08] <yofel> /okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui/view -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui/io -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui/system -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui/shell -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/gui/controller -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/core -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/core/document -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/core/entity -I..
[19:08] <yofel> /../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/core/io -I../../../okteta/program/../libs/kasten/core/system -I../../../okteta/program/../gui -I../../../okteta/program/../core -I/usr/include/KDE -I/usr/include/qt4/phonon -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXmlPatterns -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/qt4/QtUiTools -I/usr/include/qt4/QtTest -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSvg -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4/QtScriptTools -I/usr/include/qt4/QtScript -
[19:08] <yofel> I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork -I/usr/include/qt4/QtHelp -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDesigner -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDeclarative -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDBus -I/usr/include/qt4/Qt3Support -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/Qt -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default -I/usr/include/qt4    -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -o CMakeFiles/okteta.dir/mainwindow.o -c ../../../okteta/program/mainwindow.cpp
[19:08] <yofel> In file included from ../../../okteta/program/mainwindow.cpp:47:0:
[19:08] <yofel> ../../../okteta/program/../kasten/controllers/view/structures/structtool.h:30:35: fatal error: structviewpreferences.h: No such file or directory
[19:08] <yofel> compilation terminated.
[19:08] <yofel> make[4]: *** [okteta/program/CMakeFiles/okteta.dir/mainwindow.o] Error 1
[19:08] <ScottK> yofel: pastbin.
[19:08] <yofel> bah, sry
[19:08] <yofel> didn't seem that large at first glance
[19:09] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/94495
[19:09] <bambee> o_O
[19:10] <debfx> it took the build system quite a while to realize that something failed ;)
[19:11] <ScottK> Yep.
[19:25] <ScottK> New plunder, ahoy!
[19:30] <ScottK> ksnapshot source accepted.
[19:31] <yofel> ScottK: response on kde bug 277370
[19:32] <ScottK> yofel: I see. "for free redistribution" is not suitable for Main.
[19:32] <ScottK> It seems it is, indeed, an issue that needs investigation.
[19:33] <ScottK> If only Riddell were around.  Making KDE people care about licensing stuff seems to be one of his specialities.
[19:36] <debfx> yofel: there are a bunch of new symbols in kdesdk
[19:38] <rbelem> apachelogger, iirc class10 maximum speed is 12MB/s
[19:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: hmm, I suppose, will try make it happen tonight
[19:41] <bambee> ping: who did destroy my xorg session ? everything is dead here o_O
[19:41] <bambee> my keyboard is blocked randomly, my mouse too
[19:42] <bambee> I've unplug it to get it work
[19:42] <bambee> (nice... isn't it ?)
[19:43] <yofel_> debfx: I'll blame the toolchain, are you updating them or should I?
[19:48] <debfx> yofel: I'll update them
[19:49] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/642125/ <--- WTF?
[19:49] <yofel> you did funny things to your X ^^
[19:53] <bambee> yofel: I just upgraded my system
[19:55] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, does the reader even support it ^^
[20:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[20:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, if it supports sd hc
[20:10] <bambee> no sound... yeahh!!! xD
[20:10] <bambee> :'(
[20:10] <apachelogger> rbelem: does the n900? :P
[21:05] <bambee> Did someone upgrade his system today ? especially these packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/642167/
[21:06] <bambee> or does someone get this wtf .xsession-errors ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/642168/
[21:11] <yofel> bambee: you obviously don't follow #ubuntu+1 - there's bug 807306 being discussed all day. Seems to cause X issues, maybe yours too
[21:12] <yofel> check if downgrading udev helps
[21:12] <bambee> it's already downgraded
[21:12] <bambee> same thing
[21:13] <yofel> hm
[21:13] <bambee> the big problem is not really the keyboard and the mouse => nothing works
[21:13] <yofel> I didn't reboot here yet today, so dunno, sorry ^^
[21:45] <bambee> yofel: eveything works again :)
[21:45] <yofel> :)
[22:17] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think it does
[23:02] <NCommander> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.6/+bug/807573 - the libkdraw was reported over teh weekend, I'll track it for you
[23:02] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[23:02] <NCommander> ScottK: NP, sorry that I didn't get around to looking at this stuff until now (today been busy)
[23:06] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^ Yon bug report has a potential work around for the libkdcraw FTBFS on armel.  Might be worth trying.


[10:49] <wolfbyte> I believe that if Rhythmbox had some pre-loaded internet radio stations, it would make for a good first time user experience...
[10:49] <wolfbyte> just my $0.02
[10:51] <k1l_> wolfbyte: i do have some radio stations in here that came ootb
[10:52] <wolfbyte> for example, I have TuneIn Radio app on my Android, and I can use it out of the box because it has preloaded channels
[10:52] <wolfbyte> k1l_: how come I dont have any channels on my Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[10:54] <k1l_> but tunein doesnt come preinstalled
[10:55] <k1l_> i have a 12.10 which is an upgraded 11.10. nd in rhythmbox i have channels included. make sure you have the plugins checked or the rhyhthmbox packages installed needed for that
[10:56] <k1l_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/rhythmbox-radio-browser  like that?
[11:01] <wolfbyte> ok, installed it just now. Now to figure out how it works
[11:04] <wolfbyte> hmmm, no plugin
[11:26] <wolfbyte> this plugin isn't available in rhythmbox even after installation, and i'm on 12.04
[11:26] <wolfbyte> shame, it would have been exactly what i needed
[11:52] <wolfbyte> screw it, I'm gonna use TuneIn website
[11:52] <wolfbyte> thnx anyway
[14:59] <AlanBell> genii-around: boo
[15:00] <genii-around> AlanBell: Maybe it needs a forward from -debate to -discuss LOL
[15:00] <AlanBell> maybe
[17:38] <tiox1> Hey, what was that one software that came with a red-letter legal warning?
[17:43] <Calinou> mscorefonts?
[17:46] <tiox1> No, it was something along the lines of "By using this softare you are potentially breaking the law" blahdeblah
[17:47] <Calinou> must be a mp3 decoder in the usa!


[02:03] <mup> PR snapd#13409 opened: tests: add amazon linux 2023 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13409>
[08:39] <mup> PR snapd#13410 opened: cmd/snap: use updated "current" revision after snap refresh run inhibition (spike-1) <Skip spread> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13410>
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#13411 opened: cmd/snap: use updated "current" revision after snap refresh run inhibition (spike-2) <Skip spread> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13411>
[12:20] <mup> PR snapd#13412 opened: boot/grub.go: return all possible boot chains <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13412>
[14:16] <mup> PR snapd#13407 closed: test/nested/manual: fix some yq expressions <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13407>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#4462 closed: build(deps): bump craft-providers to 1.20.1 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4462>
[18:11] <mup> PR snapd#13371 closed: tests: add new performance and load test suite <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13371>
[20:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#4444 closed: feat: initial craft-application work <do-not-merge> <Created by lengau> <Closed by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4444>
[22:12] <mup> PR snapd#13364 closed: daemon: add notices API <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Needs Documentation :book:> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by olivercalder> <Merged by olivercalder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13364>


[22:09] <mup> Bug #1657285 opened: [UI] When editing a commissioned interface, you need to do it twice for the changes to take effect. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1657285>
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1656350 changed: multi-homed host static routes formating <networking> <routes> <static> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1656350>


[04:42] <oerheks> 🤪
[18:13] <nightstrike> How do you mount host directories in a guest using uvt-kvm?