[12:01] <plovs> I *really like this distro this is the first time I had a completely working mono-install without any problems
[12:02] <sabdfl> plovs: is mono in universe?
[12:02] <violajack> has anyone here had problems with an ibook waking from sleep?
[12:02] <azeem> sabdfl: yes, but severly outdated AFAIK
[12:02] <sabdfl> if you can arrange someone to upload fresh packages, i'm sure mdz will consider them
[12:02] <sabdfl> night all
[12:03] <plovs> sabdfl, it is in: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[12:03] <Kamion> plovs: he just left, send mail to ubuntu-devel I think
[12:05] <plovs> Kamion, ah well, good for him, we should be asleep not pounding keyboards
[12:09] <jordi> hey neuro
[12:09] <azeem> jordi: heh, just thought the same
[12:09] <Mithrandir> hi jordi
[12:09] <jordi> hi
[12:09] <azeem> but judging from the host, I doubt it's *the* neuro
[12:10] <jordi> 00:10 [OPN]  -!-  ircname  : neuro on the latitude
[12:10] <jordi> I guess you're right. :)
[12:10] <jordi> hi tollef
[12:15] <neuro|laptop> if you think i'm ryan murray, i'm not
[12:28] <jono> hi all
[12:28] <Kosai> 'lo.
[12:29] <jono> anyone know of an mp3 encoder in ubuntu that can be used by the sound juicer?
[12:30] <azeem> jono: there are none, due to legal issues, AFAIK
[12:30] <jono> azeem, oh I see
[12:31] <housetier> you could encode to ogg
[12:31] <jono> housetier, I can, but its for my iRiver and using ogg will not allow me to use the database on the device
[12:32] <housetier> you can install one by source I guess
[12:33] <Deft> jono: I'd still use ogg, but hey; you can get mad from the universe I think, although you'd need to check if it's gstreamer0.8-mad or libmad you want, I can't remember
[12:33] <Mitario> nn all!
[12:36] <jono> Deft, mad?
[12:37] <Deft> or maybe I'm just wrong...
[12:42] <jono> is there an ubuntu non-free?
[12:42] <Deft> sorry, not paying attention at all, would lame do? "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[12:43] <jono> Deft, I need it for ppc
[12:43] <Deft> ah
[12:43] <Deft> "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" then?
[12:43] <Deft> sorry, I'm not really awake enough for this
[12:44] <jono> Deft, no probs, thanks anyway
[12:49] <jono> is the universe just debian unstable?
[12:49] <yojimbo-san> basically yes -it's a snapshot of sid at some $time prior to a version release
[12:50] <Kamion> jono: basically, yes; only main right now, although we were discussing that at the technical board meeting earlier
[12:50] <jono> Kamion, cool, so may non-free be made available
[12:51] <jono> Kamion, its worrying me a little that I may not be able to use debian packages in ubuntu
[12:51] <Kamion> jono: at some point soonish that will probably happen, yes, although there's still a bit of debate about the implementation
[12:51] <jono> ahh right
[12:52] <jono> Kamion, so is the idea that when Ubuntu upgrades to a new version, a simple dist-upgrade will get everyone up to date?
[12:52] <punkass> i am in the process of doing a fresh Dell XP install for someone....what i giant pain in my ass.
[12:52] <Kamion> jono: right
[12:52] <punkass> I had to update windows update....
[12:53] <Kamion> jono: if anything more is needed there'll be a warty->hoary upgrade tool or whatever and it'll be announced, but hopefully it shouldn't be too involved
[12:53] <jono> Kamion, right
[12:53] <punkass> and the special "Dell XP" disc didnt even find the network card....
[12:53] <punkass> sorry just had to vent.. :)
[12:53] <jono> Kamion, it would b e cool to do a simple upgrade to everything
[12:53] <jono> neuro|laptop, yo
[12:54] <jono> neuro|laptop, how goes it dude?
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> jono: good mate, good
[12:54] <jono> Kamion, will the upgrade include universe software?
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> jono: settling into my new job at lumison :)
[12:54] <jono> neuro|laptop, new job?
[12:54] <Kamion> neuro|laptop: quite, but count the number of Debian developers on the Ubuntu team ;)
[12:54] <Kamion> jono: sure, universe will be resynced
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> Kamion: :)
[12:55] <jono> Kamion, surely the dependencies in universe must be huge?
[12:55] <Kamion> jono: correct, which is why it's hard to recommend using Debian packages
[12:55] <Kamion> jono: we get away with it because we rebuild the entirety of universe from source
[12:55] <jono> Kamion, right
[12:55] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[12:56] <neuro|laptop> jono: yeah, check my blog, third post down
[12:56] <jono> morning jdub :)
[12:56] <jono> neuro|laptop, cool
[12:56] <jono> Kamion, is ubuntu going to allow newer packages to be installed in between releases?
[12:57] <Kamion> jono: the hoary development repository will be open during development, if that's what you mean
[12:57] <Zappa_> is there an apt souce i can add that will give me packages such as KDE?
[12:57] <jono> Kamion, ahhh right, so if a new version of Blender comes out and is added to debian unstable, I assume it will be in the hoary repo?
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> tis saucy, no?
[12:58] <jono> the Linux Format review will reflect this :)
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> :))
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> i did an install on a dell powerapp last night
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> easy peasy lemon squeasy
[12:58] <Kamion> Zappa_: universe; yadda yadda unsupported yadda :)
[12:58] <Zappa_> pfft
[12:58] <Zappa_> i just want an easy way to install kopete
[12:58] <Kamion> Zappa_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[12:58] <punkass> neuro: how about lid actions and power management
[12:59] <neuro|laptop> lid actions?
[12:59] <jono> Kamion, did you get a chance to look at those questions I mailed you btw?
[12:59] <Zappa_> unless you can suggest another IM client that doesn't suck major ass
[12:59] <Kamion> jono: yep, AIUI hoary universe will roll along with Debian sid until the UpstreamVersionFreeze
[12:59] <conekg> did anyone manage to use pppd and modem to connect to the net with ubuntu?
[12:59] <punkass> close the lid, screen goes out...
[12:59] <punkass> open the lid, resume desktop
[12:59] <neuro|laptop> you must be mistaking a powerapp for a laptop :)
[01:00] <neuro|laptop> tis a 1U appliance-like PIII server
[01:00] <Kamion> jono: hm, no, totally snowed under, I'll try to get back to you soon though
[01:00] <punkass> oh haha sorry i did read it wront
[01:00] <neuro|laptop> :)
[01:00] <punkass> wrong*
[01:00] <jono> Kamion, this process sounds good - have a freeze on hoary to get ready - would'nt surprise me if Debian takes this route at some point
[01:01] <jono> Kamion, I realise you are busy dude, thanks for bearing it in mind though :)
[01:01] <punkass> Kamion: great distro by the way..very smooth
[01:01] <jono> jdub, ping
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> ah woo, found it
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> william@ottman ~ $ cat /etc/issue
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[01:02] <Kamion> punkass: ta :)
[01:03] <jono> I am looking forward to X.org hopefully entering ubuntu at some point - are some packages packaged seperately from debian main - the X strike force seems to be slower with this regard
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> oh yeah, it did this ...
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:85
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> with a panic-like trace dumped to dmesg
[01:04] <neuro|laptop> Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
[01:04] <jdub> i'm here
[01:04] <tuppa> morning jdub
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> jomohke_: hoary will feature Xorg
[01:05] <jono> jdub, will you have time over the next day or so to answer a few q's for the Linux Format review of Ubuntu?
[01:05] <jono> Hrdwr_BoB, cool
[01:05] <yojimbo-san> tuppa, you still had one ceated :-)
[01:06] <ish> with acpi, should my laptop 'sleep' when the lid is shut? it does with apm, but so far the only thing that happens is xscreensaver kicks in.
[01:06] <yojimbo-san> I had one (used but spare) partition on my iMac last night, used ubunto to delete and "use" it, and got /boot, / and swap ... cool.
[01:09] <jdub> jono: sure
[01:10] <jono> jdub, cheers, I will send them tomorrow :)
[01:10] <jono> right, off to bed
[01:10] <jono> later folks
[01:10] <neuro|laptop> nn jono
[01:10] <jono> cheers Kamion, jdub :)
[01:10] <jono> neuro|laptop, later man, enjoy the new job :D
[01:10] <neuro|laptop> :)
[01:20] <jeedee> Anyone remember by heart when the next release is due?
[01:21] <Keybuk> Warty? October 15th :-)
[01:21] <tvon|x31> For the life of me I can't get nautilus to use gedit when opening text files, it still uses gvim (which I set originally)
[01:21] <Keybuk> Hoary should be on-or-near April 15th
[01:21] <Keybuk> with preview in March
[01:21] <keifer> cool
[01:22] <keifer> has anyone had any luck installed kde from the universal repository? I get dependency errors.
[01:22] <tvon|x31> in fact, I cant change the preferred editor at all, when I set it,close it and re-open the prefereed applications window it always has the same settings
[01:22] <tvon|x31> hrm
[01:23] <Keybuk> tvon|x31: sounds like gconf has broken ... if you logout and make sure there's no gconf process running, then login again, does it work?
[01:23] <tvon|x31> Keybuk: lemme give that a whilr
[01:23] <jeedee> Thank you Keybuk :)
[01:23] <jeedee> I think ill wait for this release since ubuntu won't install on any of my 3 machines
[01:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: October 13th
[01:25] <michel_v_> Keybuk: that's not enough
[01:25] <michel_v_> steps needed would be logout, bonobo-slay, log back in
[01:25] <Keybuk> michel_v_: bonobo-slay was GNOME 1.4 era
[01:25] <Keybuk> we're on 2.8 now :p
[01:26] <michel_v_> still works in 2.8, believe it or not
[01:26] <Keybuk> gconfd isn't a bonobo process in 2.8; so bonobo-slay won't kill it
[01:26] <Keybuk> about the only thing it should kill is evo
[01:27] <subterrific> jeedee: if you know what is wrong, submit a bug report. thats the whole point of having a preview
[01:27] <michel_v_> oh yeah. I'm not sure wat I used bonobo-slay for, last time :p
[01:27] <jeedee> Don't worry I will
[01:27] <chutwig> slaying bonobo monkeys
[01:27] <chutwig> how cruel
[01:27] <jeedee> The only problem I havent solved yet is the grub hang
[01:27] <Keybuk> I tend to just login as myself on the console and KILL -TERM -1
[01:28] <michel_v_> another step could be rm /tmp/gconfd-youruser
[01:28] <Keybuk> jeedee: amd64?
[01:28] <michel_v_> (-rf)
[01:29] <jeedee> Yes
[01:30] <jeedee> How did you know Keybuk?
[01:30] <tvon> Okay, I fired up gnome-default-applications-properties from the CLI, and when I try to change editor preference it spits an error:
[01:30] <tvon> libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Deprecated function.  User modifications to the MIME database are no longer supported.
[01:30] <tvon> so, there we go
[01:30] <Keybuk> jeedee: I've heard about it before
[01:30] <jeedee> Oh
[01:31] <Keybuk> tvon: changing the text editor preference?
[01:31] <jeedee> Thought you had a solution for me :)
[01:31] <tvon> Keybuk: yup
[01:31] <Keybuk> tvon: oh, wow, that's *special*;  please file a bug :p
[01:31] <tvon> Keybuk: aight ;)
[01:31] <subterrific> i don't think thats a bug
[01:31] <jeedee> It's not :)
[01:31] <chutwig> not a bug with ubuntu, at least
[01:31] <subterrific> thats the gnome 2.8 mime type database
[01:32] <Keybuk> subterrific: it's also the gnome 2.8 preferred applications capplet :p
[01:32] <jeedee> I need to find a fix for emachines laptop, I tried to load ubuntu on a bunch of em and it messed up
[01:32] <subterrific> which is depricated
[01:32] <Keybuk> subterrific: it isn't?
[01:32] <subterrific> all the functionality is moved in to nautilus
[01:32] <Keybuk> no, you're misunderstanding the capplet
[01:32] <Keybuk> this isn't the evil nasty one that got removed
[01:32] <Keybuk> this is the one that lets you pick your web browser, mail client and terminal app
[01:33] <subterrific> oh right, not the mime one
[01:33] <Keybuk> and has a panel for text editor too, which of course is broken by the new mime stuff; the other three are still valid settings as they change URI handling
[01:33] <tvon> So should I file it in ubuntu or upstream?
[01:33] <subterrific> well just for the record, mime handling in ubuntu seems to be broken
[01:34] <Keybuk> tvon: either; we'd file it upstream if you filed it with us
[01:34] <chutwig> i dunno, smells like an upstream problem to me
[01:34] <subterrific> when i add an application to Open With, i'm not able to select it
[01:34] <Keybuk> it's just the Text Editor pane that's broken there ... the other three still work
[01:34] <tvon> Yeah, they do
[01:34] <subterrific> it works fine on my gentoo box with gnome 2.8
[01:34] <subterrific> maybe they fixed it though
[01:35] <Keybuk> subterrific: can you file a bug on that?
[01:35] <subterrific> Keybuk: yeah, i think someone else beat me to it cause we were talking about it last night, but i'll double check
[01:35] <Keybuk> I just did an Open With on a text file, put gvim in, and it appeared in the right-mouse menu ok
[01:36] <subterrific> Keybuk: but can you select it as the default?
[01:36] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[01:36] <axe9dotcom> What The Hell Did This OS Do To My COMPUTER!
[01:36] <Keybuk> subterrific: yup, works fine
[01:36] <subterrific> hrm
[01:36] <seb128> the default apps has been fixed with gnome-vfs 2.8.1 today
[01:36] <axe9dotcom> Rather, why the fuck isn'tm y hard drive working!
[01:36] <chutwig> i don't know, keep making vague allusions to the problem and blaming ubuntu and we'll figure it out in a jiffy
[01:37] <axe9dotcom> >:(
[01:37] <axe9dotcom> I've been going aroudn and around with people herer for 2 days!
[01:37] <chutwig> saying your hard drive doesn't work could be one of a million things
[01:37] <seb128> subterrific: mime handling is not broken in ubuntu afaik
[01:37] <mwh_> hello, im looking for libgtkembedmoz anyone know in which package that might be?
[01:37] <seb128> subterrific: upstream code was broken until this morning
[01:38] <mwh_> I tried installing mozilla-dev ... but it did not contain this library
[01:38] <chutwig> plus i feel obligated to remind you that this is a preview release and things are liable to not work
[01:38] <Keybuk> mwh_: if it's installed on your system; dpkg -S libgtkembedmoz will tell you that
[01:38] <chutwig> mwh_: sounds like it has to do with epiphany
[01:38] <Keybuk> otherwise the Contents files on the FTP site will...
[01:38] <Kamion> it's the parted thing; didn't somebody point to a how-to-fix-it-up URL at suse.com earlier today?
[01:38] <axe9dotcom> I just switched the master-slave relationships to my hard drives, to have my system boot from my XP drive. Guess what. IT DOESN'T WORK!
[01:38] <Keybuk> (and for the record, it's in either mozilla-browser or mozilla-firefox but hidden in the /usr/lib/mozilla* directories)
[01:38] <jeedee> axe9dotcom did you clear your mbr
[01:38] <axe9dotcom> Eh?
[01:38] <chutwig> axe9dotcom: so do fdisk /mbr from the recovery console in XP
[01:38] <jeedee> and just for the record, are you running on an amd64
[01:39] <mwh_> Keybuk: thanks found it in /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:39] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: XP really doesn't like you doing that
[01:39] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:39] <axe9dotcom> I'm on a PIII
[01:39] <jeedee> ok
[01:39] <calc> jeedee: known problems with amd64?
[01:39] <chutwig> put the XP CD in, start from it, run the recovery console
[01:39] <jeedee> With grub, yes
[01:40] <chutwig> do an fdisk /mbr
[01:40] <jeedee> Tested on several amd64 machines
[01:40] <chutwig> or fixmbr or whatever the command is in there
[01:40] <calc> i'm running amd64 pure64/winxp on my laptop with no issues
[01:40] <axe9dotcom> Also, somethign is wrong with my disk, and every time I try to run the repair tool, it says there's a file missing, and freezes
[01:40] <calc> jeedee: iirc the main issue is when you have more than 4gb ram on grub
[01:40] <tvon> seb128: just read the scrollback about the pref apps being fixed.  I also just finished filing the bug, sorry :)
[01:40] <jeedee> I got 512mb
[01:40] <seb128> tvon: np :)
[01:40] <jeedee> I tried on a emachines laptop (amd64) too and I need like 5 parameters in grub to get to the second installation stage
[01:41] <calc> jeedee: the emachines with a newer kernel will work except for the keyboard
[01:41] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: dual-booting Linux and XP when they're on separate drives *is* possible.  The best way to do it is install Windows on the primary drive, then swap them so it's the slave and install Linux on the new primary drive with grub in the MBR.  Then add a record for the Windows drive with "map (hd0) (hd1); map (hd1) (hd0)" in it to swap the drives around so Windows thinks it's booting from the primary drive when really isn't
[01:41] <calc> jeedee: i worked with lenb to get the other issues resolved over the past ~ 8mo
[01:42] <Cardador> Keybuk: windows is dumb ;)
[01:42] <jeedee> We plugged in a usb keyboard instead, then there was the vga=771 for the screen and then nolapic to make it past hdd checking
[01:42] <Kamion> calc: I think I forgot to ask last time; is the *HCI controller on that system definitely in discover1-data?
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> Keybuk: Tried that
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> keybuk: doesn't work
[01:42] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: how far does booting Windows get?
[01:42] <calc> Kamion: iirc yes
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> not at all
[01:42] <calc> the issue with the keyboard is it doesn't detect the ports at all, very very odd
[01:42] <Cardador> axe9dotcom: your partition table probably is messed up
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> Linux isn't even seeing my other drive
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> not a partition
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> two completely sepparate hard drives
[01:43] <Keybuk> isn't seeing it at all?  what's in /var/log/dmesg for it?
[01:43] <calc> i wouldn't be surprised if its some kind of acpi issue, the arima acpi dsdt was seriously fucked
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> :|
[01:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: it's the parted c/h/s issue on 2.6
[01:43] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: that sounds more like you've snagged the cable, or possibly not plugged it in properly, or got the jumpers wrong, or some other internal issue when swapping the drives around
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> NO!
[01:43] <Kamion> AFAIK
[01:43] <jeedee> The machine booted with vga=771 noacpi nolapic
[01:44] <calc> Keybuk: wrt keyboard normally you see something like:
[01:44] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:44] <calc> Sep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[01:44] <calc> Sep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[01:44] <calc> with the arima laptop and uhci not compiled in directly it doesn't see that
[01:44] <Keybuk> Kamion: ?
[01:44] <axe9dotcom> I've had it opened up a few times, and I finally got pissed, andnow it's just open
[01:44] <SCube> Where can I download the smaller net install iso?
[01:45] <Kamion> Keybuk: bug #1566, see parted changelog
[01:45] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: if you just put the Windows disk in, as primary master, on its own, does it boot?
[01:45] <Kamion> SCube: there isn't one for Ubuntu, sorry
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> though, with this fucking case, I have to take out the fucking powersupply every time I wanna do anythign at all with the hdds
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> doesn't even see a hard drive
[01:45] <Keybuk> Kamion: ouch :-/
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> er...
[01:45] <SCube> I thought I read something about one.  I guess I'll just have to wait out the full download.
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> wait..
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> I never tried putting in the windows hdd by it'sself..
[01:46] <jeedee> -_-
[01:46] <Zappa_> is there an apt-command to list all currently installed packages
[01:46] <Kamion> Keybuk: somebody earlier noted http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html
[01:46] <Kamion> Zappa_: dpkg -l
[01:47] <Kamion> SCube: if you find where you read that, let me know; it's possible there are some references left over
[01:47] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: seems a good idea to also check fdisk on the disk and make sure the partition table is correct.
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> aaand...
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> How do I do that?
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> I got Ubuntu because every body said it was really newbie friendly
[01:48] <jeedee> using it is newbie friendly, getting it to work is something else ^_-
[01:50] <axe9dotcom> >.<
[01:50] <axe9dotcom> this is fucked up..
[01:50] <Zappa_> thank you Kamion
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> Ok
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> I need a list of thing sI cantry
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> so I don't have to keep booting this slow ass OS every time I need to try something else
[01:51] <Kamion> axe9dotcom: have you looked at http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html?
[01:52] <Kamion> and does it match your problem?
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> ah..
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> one min
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> hey
[01:54] <axe9dotcom> if I installed somethign like RedHat, or Suse, would the new config files be enough to get back windows w/o having to download a new windows thing, and burning it?
[01:54] <axe9dotcom>  no, it doesnot
[01:54] <axe9dotcom> That's caused because of bad partitioning
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> my OSs are on two unique drives
[01:55] <Kamion> they're still on partitions
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> er..
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> yeha i guess...
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> Oh
[01:55] <Kamion> it's possible that partman decided to rewrite the partition table on the Windows drive
[01:56] <Kamion> I don't know if it did or not, but it's possible
[01:56] <axe9dotcom> When I switched around the disks, it showed my 80GB (76GB) drive as drive two
[01:58] <axe9dotcom> so, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?
[01:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: his partition table looks intact
[01:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: I don't know what the failure mode looks like; I don't think it's "total pile of cheese" or anything
[02:00] <axe9dotcom> cheese?
[02:00] <Keybuk> windows is generally ok as long as the front of the disk doesn't move about too much fwir
[02:01] <axe9dotcom> fwir?
[02:01] <Keybuk> from what I recall
[02:01] <Keybuk> sorry, is just past 1am here :)
[02:01] <jdub> Keybuk: reading d-d-l?
[02:02] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: yeah, it could simply be Windows being thick or too intelligent for its own good, depending on your view point ...
[02:02] <Keybuk> telling it to boot from the "second" drive, even when swapped back the way round they should be, might work
[02:03] <Keybuk> jdub: no?
 so, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?
[02:04] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: maybe
[02:05] <Keybuk> it sounds feasible
[02:05] <axe9dotcom> So
[02:06] <axe9dotcom> Should I try that, and then try taking out the linux drive?
[02:06] <jdub> Keybuk: about-me dialogue, applets discussion (hal, etc), applets for dynamic device mount/unmount, etc. :)
[02:06] <Keybuk> heh
[02:07] <axe9dotcom> oh, what';s the command i use to edit the menu.lst file?
[02:08] <Keybuk> jdub: I'll have to catch up tomorrow after engineer's installed new router
[02:10] <jdub> ahr
[02:10] <jdub> badness :|
[02:11] <whiprush> schweeb: hey that guy ever fix his laptop sound issue?
[02:19] <axe9dotcom> Kamion: what was the command oyu gave me the other day that allowed me to edit the mene.lst file?
[02:20] <tseng> hi
[02:21] <schweeb> whiprush: yea
[02:21] <schweeb> parport_pc again
[02:22] <unshavenyak> Ack, I'm getting an error upon trying to log into gnome... the message is: unable to read /home/ryan/.ICEauthority
[02:22] <unshavenyak> any ideas?
[02:23] <|trey|> unshavenyak: remove the file... it will be recreated
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> SHIT!
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> ARGH!
[02:23] <unshavenyak> thank you
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> I CLOSED THE WINDOW!
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> hey, does this autolog?
[02:23] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: good job... don't yell
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> sorry :s
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> *cries*
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> oh!
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> nm
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> it's on the clip bord ^^'
[02:25] <unshavenyak> problem solved, thank you trey
[02:25] <|trey|> GNOME folks need to work on their clipboard!!
[02:25] <|trey|> Close an application, and whatever was put on the clipboard is gone too  :/
[02:26] <|trey|> I remember something set up a daemon that would remember... cept I guess everyone in the gnome project ignored it  :/
[02:26] <unshavenyak> umm, anyone know the name of the show desktop and trash applets?
[02:26] <unshavenyak> they no longer are on the system :/
[02:27] <|trey|> unshavenyak: trashapplet and gnome-applets are the packages containing them... is that what you mean?
[02:27] <unshavenyak> yup, thanks trey
[02:27] <|trey|> try apt-get install --reinstall <those_pkgs>
[02:28] <|trey|> unshavenyak: yw  :)
[02:28] <unshavenyak> now the irony was
[02:28] <unshavenyak> I was going to make a norton ghost image of my ubuntu setup
[02:28] <unshavenyak> and then I went to log in and that happened
[02:28] <unshavenyak> I love irony
[02:28] <JanneM> where are the daily snapshot cd:s?
[02:29] <JanneM> ugh
[02:29] <JanneM> sorry
[02:29] <JanneM> that's what the default download links point to, right...
[02:30] <axe9dotcom> title           Windows XP
 rootnoverify    (hd1,0)
 map             (hd0) (hd1)
 map             (hd1) (hd0)
 makeactive
 chainloader     +1
[02:30] <|trey|> grrr @ floods  [angryface]
[02:31] <Britt> jdub: approve my devel email! (I sent it from the wrong account ... doh!)
[02:32] <jdub> Britt: did a few seconds ago ;)
[02:33] <jdub> Britt: (btw, TROUBLEMAKER!)
[02:33] <jdub> ;)
[02:34] <Britt> jdub: you rock :) btw, has that been discussed ad nausia before? I thought I might be causing trouble :)
[02:34] <jdub> nah, only before we released the preview
[02:34] <whiprush> jdub: hey you guys need a pastebin also.
[02:34] <jdub> whiprush: TROUBLEMAKER
[02:34] <whiprush> rad
[02:34] <jdub> heh
[02:34] <|trey|> whiprush: #flood works  ;)
[02:34] <jdub> ha ha you are saying rad now
[02:35] <whiprush> Soon you'll be saying def.
[02:35] <|trey|> jdub: oh... I was wondering if you could justify how no root account is more userfriendly? I have been trying to figure it out  :(
[02:35] <Britt> jdub: maybe the decision will be unanimous
[02:36] <|trey|> jdub: was going to change everything from gksudo to gksu, but figured I would listen to reasoning first  :)
[02:37] <whiprush> one password is nice.
[02:37] <|trey|> no root = annoying though... for instance, at a console, apt-get won't work via sudo...
[02:37] <whiprush> ?
[02:37] <whiprush> mine does.
[02:37] <robertj> I think the no root account is more user friendly
[02:38] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install foo
[02:38] <Britt> |trey|: in what scenario is apt-get not working for you?
[02:38] <whiprush> that doesn't work for you?
[02:38] <robertj> it forces you to actually get your privelege elevatiojn in order instead of just telling people to use root
[02:38] <|trey|> whiprush: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade didn't  :/
[02:38] <whiprush> ah
[02:38] <whiprush> you need another sudo after &&
[02:38] <|trey|> whiprush: blah, more typing  :(
[02:38] <robertj> sudo tells you "I need to make a way to do this from in Gnome"
[02:38] <whiprush> alias it to 's', that's what I do
[02:38] <whiprush> s apt-get install foo
[02:38] <whiprush> etc.
[02:39] <whiprush> you can also sudo -s to get a "root console"
[02:39] <|trey|> whiprush: I usually have an alias upgrade='apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'... could change that... but yeah... I like being root  :)
[02:39] <whiprush> well the point is to not. :p
[02:40] <whiprush> sudo rocks, it's just a different way of thinking.
[02:40] <|trey|> whiprush: justification for that is what I am looking for  :)
[02:40] <robertj> sudo logging is handy
[02:40] <whiprush> like, when you fire someone at work, instead of changing all the dang root passwords, you just delete their account.
[02:40] <whiprush> things like that
[02:40] <subterrific> sudo also leaves a paper trail
[02:40] <whiprush> and instead if a log full of "root did blah" stuff, it's per use
[02:40] <whiprush> yeah, what he said
[02:41] <whiprush> er, per user I meant.
[02:41] <|trey|> I would rather do things for users and have more work to do then give them root privs  :/
[02:41] <GoneBoB> sudo is good
[02:41] <subterrific> to use marketing speak, its accountable
[02:41] <subterrific> or something
[02:41] <|trey|> Users having root is just asking for trouble imo
[02:41] <whiprush> right
[02:41] <GoneBoB> so if you're the sysadmin
[02:41] <whiprush> that's the best part
[02:41] <whiprush> you can granularly assign permissions
[02:41] <GoneBoB> but your manager says you need to give the application manager root
[02:42] <GoneBoB> but he's a dick
[02:42] <GoneBoB> you give him sudo access
[02:42] <whiprush> so on your one box, the db admin can only mess with the db, the web guy can only mess with apache
[02:42] <whiprush> instead of giving root to everyone.
[02:42] <|trey|> whiprush: so you can limit what a user can do with sudo?
[02:42] <whiprush> right
[02:42] <|trey|> whiprush: hmm, how  8-)
[02:42] <whiprush> jes.
[02:43] <|trey|> (if its in the man page, you have permission to tell me to RTFM  8-) )
[02:43] <JanneM> whiprush: while on the subject, how do (or can ?) you specify that a user needs to input password for all things, except for a few, specified commands?
[02:43] <whiprush> hold on, we did an intro to sudo a while back, sec.
[02:43] <whiprush> http://arstechnica.com/etc/linux/2003/linux.ars-10102003.html
[02:43] <whiprush> go down to the sudo bit
[02:44] <JanneM> thanks
[02:44] <|trey|> so far, the lack of root is all I don't like... I have root back... but changing gksudo to gksu will take forever  :/
[02:44] <whiprush> from there the man page makes more sense
[02:44] <whiprush> dude just sudo -s, it's the same thing
[02:44] <ej> How do i edit the applications menu in gnome?
[02:44] <|trey|> whiprush: you work for arstechnica?
[02:44] <whiprush> I do some stuff for them yeah.
[02:45] <|trey|> ej: umm... easiest way... right click on stuff...
[02:45] <|trey|> blah
[02:45] <|trey|> Why do people ask questions then leave? illogical :/
[02:45] <slackeerb> ims till here
[02:45] <slackeerb> sorry
[02:45] <JanneM> whiprush: nah, didn't help
[02:45] <slackeerb> =P
[02:46] <whiprush> JanneM: heh.
[02:46] <JanneM> from what I've seen, it may not actually be possible
[02:46] <|trey|> slackeerb = ej?
[02:46] <whiprush> I think it's possible the other way around
[02:46] <slackeerb> |trey|: yes =). But that didnt help "right clciking" lol
[02:46] <JanneM> ?
[02:46] <slackeerb> brb
[02:47] <|trey|> slackeerb: umm... yeah, normall method in /usr/share/gnome-vfs2/vfolders is applicable too... (I think thats where its at...
[02:47] <whiprush> JanneM: unsure, I just recently moved to sudo-only myself.
[02:47] <JanneM> mm
[02:47] <JanneM> me too
[02:47] <JanneM> time for work
[02:47] <|trey|> slackeerb: umm, what exactly do you want to do... you can add and remove thinks, and change what command they issue via right click...
[02:48] <Zappa_> in networking when i go and try to enable windows file sharing it says i need to install smb support. i checked my package lists and smb stuff seems to be installed, does it mean a kernel module or something?
[02:49] <slackeerb> |trey|: i dont get what you mean. heh. How do i add stuff to the applications menu? And coudl you help me with java? =)
[02:49] <|trey|> slackeerb: blah, minus the -vfs2 bit...
[02:49] <subterrific> slackeerb: right click in the menu
[02:50] <|trey|> slackeerb: right click >> entire menu >> add new item...
[02:50] <housetier> Zappa_, for once you need a kernel module if it is not already compiled into the kernel, you might need the "smbfs" package
[02:50] <Zappa_> okay i'll see if it wants smbfs
[02:51] <slackeerb> when i right click all theres help,remove, and lock
[02:51] <|trey|> slackeerb: no... IN THE APPLICATIONS MENU
[02:52] <|trey|> If you want to add somethign to Accessories... applications >> accessories >> right click >> entire menu >> add new item to this menu
[02:52] <slackeerb> |trey|: sorry! lol its so easy.
[02:52] <Zappa_> nope smbfs didn't do it, do you know what the kernel module is called?
[02:52] <|trey|> slackeerb: yes... don't you feel like a moron  (I would)  :/
[02:53] <slackeerb> |trey|: ya to many years on windoze. =)
[02:53] <|trey|> slackeerb: winblows  :/
[02:53] <slackeerb> |trey|: ah yes winblows. lol. Wonna help me install java or refer me to a guide. =)
[02:53] <|trey|> Think logically, and you really can't go wrong with GNOME  :/
[02:54] <|trey|> Even more so with Ubuntu's menu system  8-)
[02:54] <housetier> Zappa_, the kernel module is also called smbfs
[02:54] <|trey|> housetier: should be enabled already... all he should need to do is mount -t smbfs blah blah
[02:55] <housetier> nahh
[02:55] <housetier> its just point and click
[02:55] <housetier> (it should be)
[02:55] <|trey|> housetier: if you want to make it harder... sure  :/
[02:56] <housetier> ok you help
[02:56] <|trey|> Debian kernels have smbfs compiled in... what I said ought to work  :/
[02:57] <whiprush> aren't you supposed to use cifs instead of smbfs?
[02:57] <|trey|> mount -t smbfs //some/unc/on/network /somewhere/on/local/fs
[02:57] <|trey|> whiprush: depends if the share is on windows or unix...
[02:57] <whiprush> oh oh
[02:57] <|trey|> smbfs = windows... cifs = unix...
[02:57] <housetier> |trey|, I thought the point was to not use the command line all the time to make it less fearsome for Joe Average
[02:58] <|trey|> housetier: *shrug* some things are easier via cli  :/
[02:58] <housetier> |trey|, I don't think so. Its more how much one is used to cli or gui
[02:58] <|trey|> Even in the windows world, I use cli to mount shares  :/
[02:59] <housetier> that's YOU
[02:59] <housetier> others might find using a gui much easier
[02:59] <|trey|> *shrug* its anyone that knows how  :/
[02:59] <whiprush> wait
[02:59] <whiprush> you want to mount an smb share?
[02:59] <|trey|> whiprush: someone did  :/
[03:00] <whiprush> open up nautilus, file->Connect to server
[03:00] <housetier> |trey|, you should cheer up :)
[03:00] <whiprush> fill in the stuff
[03:00] <whiprush> done and done.
[03:00] <housetier> smile! :D
[03:00] <|trey|> housetier: blah... I don't smile :/
[03:00] <housetier> ok I overstepped a line there, sorry
[03:01] <|trey|> housetier: I also don't help morons... I teach the right way... they can learn the "easy" way from someone else  :/
[03:01] <|trey|> Funny how the "easy" way always has more steps though...
[03:01] <housetier> no that's a contradiction
[03:01] <housetier> now*
[03:02] <|trey|> housetier: EXACTLY my point... the easy way SHOULDN'T take long... but it ALWAYS does...
[03:02] <|trey|> longer*
[03:02] <whiprush> so did the file->connect to server work for you housetier?
[03:03] <housetier> whiprush, no it didnt; in fact it never will
[03:03] <whiprush> o_O?
[03:03] <housetier> whiprush, it wasnt me trying to mount anything
[03:03] <whiprush> oh, sorry
[03:05] <housetier> Zappa_ was having trouble but it got lost in yet another useless fight
[03:06] <whiprush> Zappa_: still around?
[03:06] <subterrific> |trey|: ctrl alt backspace
[03:07] <subterrific> and ctrl alt F1- F6
[03:07] <|trey|> subterrific: rm -rf /
[03:07] <subterrific> or that
[03:08] <Zappa_> sorry yes i'm here
[03:08] <|trey|> Umm, why restart X? I use X to do things that are more logical via a GUI... I do things the fastest way available...
[03:09] <|trey|> For instance... Web Browsing without GPM at least is a pain... web sites are designed for people that have a mouse...
[03:09] <subterrific> so use the command line
[03:09] <whiprush> Zappa_: you wanted to mount a windows share?
[03:09] <|trey|> I DO... for things that make more sense to use a command line...
[03:10] <subterrific> not everyone wants to learn cli for mounting smb, so there is an option
[03:10] <Zappa_> well what i was trying to do was enable the windows file sharing bit in the networking control panel thing, but it says i need to install smb support
[03:11] <Zappa_> but it doesnt really make it clear exactly what it wants installed
[03:11] <housetier> Zappa_, so you wanted to share some file FOR windows users?
[03:11] <whiprush> oh, you mean share a dir on the linux box as a windows share?
[03:11] <Zappa_> both, probably
[03:11] <|trey|> subterrific: ok... like I said, I teach the most logical method... you can teach the brain dead method if you'd like  :/
[03:12] <whiprush> well, the sharing part isn't done graphically just yet, the mounting is though
[03:12] <housetier> logic is still a matter of perception and personal preference, especially when it come to cli vs gui
[03:12] <subterrific> |trey|: its not brain dead, some people are visual. insulting them is brain dead
[03:12] <whiprush> best way to share is to probably google for example smb.conf files and base your shares off of that
[03:13] <|trey|> subterrific: then I'm brain dead... mean while, the dude would have the share mounted by now if he did what I said...
[03:13] <housetier> no he wouldnt
[03:13] <subterrific> |trey|: i'm with you, i use the cli all the time. i can't stand using IDEs for example, i'd much rather use makefiles and gdb on the cli
[03:13] <housetier> there is no share to be mounted
[03:13] <|trey|> housetier: umm... how you figure?
[03:13] <housetier> |trey|, there are directories to be shared
[03:13] <Zappa_> well thanks for your help guys, i'm off to bed now it's late. I'll have a play with it some more tomorrow
[03:14] <|trey|> housetier: blah... smbclient  :/
[03:14] <subterrific> |trey|: maybe i missed it, but you told him how to install samba and configure it?
[03:15] <|trey|> subterrific: umm... gnome-vfs2 requires libsmbclient last I checked  :/
[03:15] <subterrific> he wants to be able to share both ways
[03:16] <housetier> I can't cope with this anymore
[03:17] <|trey|> subterrific: coolies  :/  I didn't even read what he wanted... that should enlighten you to how much I care... they were talking about having to enable smbfs in the kernel, I told them its already there... that was my extent of input until this useless flame...]
[03:19] <mxpxpod> do I need the raid stuff for a ppc laptop?
[03:21] <subterrific> mxpxpod: probably not
[03:21] <mxpxpod> subterrific: ok
[03:21] <subterrific> that'd be one crazy setup if you were doing raid on a laptop
[03:22] <whiprush> I think alienware offers raid on a laptop
[03:22] <axe9> T_T
[03:22] <mxpxpod> hrmm...
[03:22] <axe9> my brnad new hard drive is dead
[03:22] <mxpxpod> how do I check which package installed what file?
[03:23] <subterrific> whiprush: i'm sure that gets great battery life
[03:23] <axe9> Aight
[03:23] <tvon> dpkg -S file
[03:23] <tvon> mxpxpod:
[03:23] <axe9> how do I install things on Linux
[03:23] <turnpikewig> alienware laptops are so retarded
[03:23] <whiprush> subterrific: heh, "10 battery modules, expect life, 10 minutes".
[03:23] <whiprush> I think it has a desktop p4 too. @_@
[03:23] <alternawig> that dell XPS laptop is ludicrous
[03:23] <alternawig> it's like a VCR with a screen
[03:23] <tvon> axe9: tin Ubuntu goto the Computer menu-> System Configuration
[03:23] <tvon> axe9: and use Synaptic
[03:24] <subterrific> whiprush: they should call them "Tether"
[03:24] <mxpxpod> also, do I need lvm-common?
[03:24] <whiprush> My friend cals them SULs, sport utility laptops.
[03:26] <subterrific> whiprush: totally, what is with the giant laptops these days. it seems silly to me. i'd rather treat a laptop as a terminal to a powerful desktop
[03:27] <subterrific> i guess people must use them as their main machine, but it seems like a waste of money because they're so under powered and over priced
[03:27] <subterrific> mxpxpod: what are you doing?
[03:28] <subterrific> uninstalling things?
[03:28] <mxpxpod> subterrific: yes
[03:28] <subterrific> ahh
[03:28] <mxpxpod> subterrific: I don't need a billion daemons running on my laptop sucking power
[03:29] <slackeerb> can someone please help me install java. Ive been tryin for atleast an hour now and no luck.
[03:29] <subterrific> ubuntu installs a lot of stuff you probably won't need, but i don't see anything actually running that you don't need
[03:30] <subterrific> slackeerb: it doesn't get much either than this: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[03:30] <subterrific> easier
[03:31] <slackeerb> subterrific: i was looking for that link! Thats what i used last time when i tryed debian a few weeks ago. THANKS!
[03:31] <subterrific> slackeerb: you're welcome
[03:31] <whiprush> subterrific: I'm pricing out a fuji laptop at the moment, it's teeny.
[03:31] <alternawig> hey look, it's whiprush
[03:32] <subterrific> yeah, those crazy japanese make everything as small as possible
[03:32] <schweeb> whiprush: dude, was looking at VAIOs at MicroCenter... those things may suck at linux support, but the LCD was fucking beautiful
[03:32] <whiprush> hmmm, I'm using a deb source for sun java.
[03:32] <subterrific> i've been looking at the really thin IBM laptops
[03:33] <whiprush> the x40 is so awesome
[03:33] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah, its a rip off though. its like $300 worth of hardware for $3K
[03:33] <whiprush> yeah
[03:33] <whiprush> it still rules though
[03:34] <tseng> its like $1500 worth of hardware
[03:34] <tseng> anyway
[03:34] <whiprush> the bummer on the x300 is lack of an optical drive
[03:34] <whiprush> but really, you only need that once.
[03:34] <subterrific> oh, the x300 is what i was thinking of
[03:34] <tseng> whiprush: hah i watch dvds on my laptop every night
[03:34] <tseng> id go nuts
[03:34] <subterrific> the x300 is the 1ghz 20gig HD, paper thin model
[03:34] <whiprush> oh, that too, heh.
[03:35] <schweeb> whiprush: yea, you can't even frigging rip audio CDs w/o an optical drive... think about that... and no burner
[03:35] <whiprush> it has one, just external
[03:35] <whiprush> http://www.laptopsinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AWP2E1A80ED02020&Category_Code=PS2&Product_Count=3
[03:36] <subterrific> jdub: how is the keyboard on the x300, it seemed really hard to use at the sony store
[03:36] <whiprush> I'm hoping that one is my next ubuntu laptop
[03:36] <tvon> which is about the same size as the x300
[03:36] <tvon> also has no drive
[03:36] <punkass> i just tried to add a slave drive to my system and when i do it hangs on boot up...any thoughts?
[03:36] <punkass> i havent added any fstab settings or anything...just connected the drive..its going to be used for a backup drive
[03:36] <subterrific> punkass: can you boot off a cd?
[03:36] <housetier> check ze bios, the jumper settings, maybe ask in #hardware
[03:37] <subterrific> yeah, that could be so many things
[03:37] <slackeerb> subterrific: when i add the line they tell me to add to my apt source, I get an erro when i apt-get update.
[03:37] <punkass_> yup..i can boot of the other drive fine to when the second one isnt plugged in
[03:37] <subterrific> maybe you loosened a cable or something, who knows
[03:38] <whiprush> ugh, my box does that sometimes.
[03:38] <whiprush> check the jumper
[03:38] <whiprush> make sure one isn't on cable select
[03:38] <housetier> slackeerb, what error do you get?
[03:38] <punkass_> yeah already moved them around..even tried another drive
[03:38] <subterrific> punkass: can yourpower supply handle another drive ;)
[03:38] <axe9> Why the hell can' tI install JRE?
[03:38] <punkass_> hehe yeah..its a 300w
[03:39] <subterrific> slackeerb: did you do apt-get update?
[03:39] <slackeerb> ya
[03:39] <slackeerb> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:39] <slackeerb> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:39] <slackeerb> thats what i egt when i run apt-get update
[03:39] <slackeerb> get*
[03:39] <axe9> hey
[03:40] <slackeerb> axe9 there helping me install jre as we speak
[03:40] <axe9> to install JRe, the instructions say to open the terminal, and type su, then my pass
[03:40] <axe9> however
[03:40] <axe9> it says my pass is wrong
[03:41] <axe9> how the hell do I enable the root user?
[03:41] <chutwig|ubuntu> type sudo -s instead
[03:41] <chutwig|ubuntu> there's no need to enable root
[03:41] <jdub> subterrific: hasn't worried me so far, just forgetting ibook muscle memory
[03:42] <subterrific> woah
[03:43] <axe9> aRGH!
[03:43] <jblack> Hiya. Is there a way to get gnome to start esd with -r 48000 ?
[03:43] <axe9> Where is the usr/java folder?
[03:45] <whiprush> how are you trying to get java?
[03:45] <jward> Anyone here to discuss some grub oddities after installing ubuntu on my dual boot debian system?
[03:47] <subterrific> the ubuntu smp kernel has some serious issues
[03:47] <whiprush> mine just upgraded tonight
[03:47] <subterrific> i can't go a day without the machine totally locking up or getting too slow to even use a console
[03:48] <subterrific> this machine had a 178 day uptime with fedora core 1 before
[03:48] <whiprush> axe9: are you trying to get java working?
[03:49] <jward> Here's my grub issue (if anyone has a thought), installed ubuntu on a system that has debian on a different partition, with a grub boot already setup, let ubuntuo put it's on version of grub on the MBR, rebooted in my debian and wanted it to take control of the grub boot, so I added ubuntu to my menu.lst, then did a grub-install /dev/hda and it complains and won't install.  Rebooted into ubuntu, did a grub-install no-problems ... didn't find mu
[03:49] <jward> googling.
[03:50] <aitrus> could someone who has it on their system please tell me what package provides libmikmod.so.2
[03:51] <tvon> aitrus: "apt-cache search libmikmod"
[03:51] <jward> aitrus: don't have mine up, but I'm guessing it's the same as the debian one's, i.e. libdevel/libmikmod2-0dev, or sounds/xmms
[03:52] <aitrus> thanks and thanks.
[03:52] <jward> (some mispellsing there, sorry)
[03:53] <tvon> heh
[03:53] <aitrus> finally!!  i found the solution to my own bug!
[03:53] <aitrus> woooo!
[03:53] <tvon> My most frequent commands are "apt-cache search foo" and "apt-get upgrade -uV"
[03:55] <jward> Anyone using ubuntu on a dual boot system, with another distro (and grub?) - if so, did you let ubuntu manage the grub MBR, or your other distro?
[03:56] <axe9> yeah whip
[03:56] <tvon> jward: whatever was installed first manages my grub
[03:56] <tvon> usually
[03:57] <jward> tvon: but the ubuntu installer doesn't give you much choice not to install grub ...  unless I missed the ignore button
[03:57] <tvon> jward: good point...but there should be an 'expert' mode for the installer that you can use
[03:57] <jward> tvon: too late ... now I'm having issues with my debian system doing a grub-install /dev/hda ... quite a bummer - not sure if it's ubuntu related or not
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[04:00] <axe9> I got JRE isntalled
[04:00] <axe9> use the instructions on the site
[04:01] <jward> suns site? or somewhere else?
[04:03] <axe9> Suns
[04:03] <axe9> ARGH@
[04:04] <axe9> Why can't I create a file in the usr dir >.>
[04:04] <axe9> I need home/usr/java/ to be there
[04:04] <mojo> good morning all ppl!
[04:04] <axe9> but I can't create the file >.>
[04:04] <mojo> back to the work ^-^
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> wb mojo
[04:05] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I just got up-to-date and it ruins my Workspace Applet, now changing the number of Workspaces won't budge
[04:06] <mojo> Tsjoklat: Can u check the Workspace Applet on ur box? I want to confirm whether it's a bug or not
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> ah ppl were having the same probs yesterday
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> did you reboot?
[04:06] <mojo> yes
[04:06] <mojo> it's weird u know
[04:06] <axe9> How do I install avureus?
[04:06] <mojo> last time it works
[04:06] <axe9> it's not working
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> oh I know
[04:06] <axe9> azureus*
[04:06] <mojo> after installing up-to-date gnome-vfs
[04:06] <mojo> it's done...
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> let me check
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> (I didn't update yet)
[04:09] <Tsjoklat> works for me mojo.. sorry
[04:09] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I see, some few ppl encouter this prob
[04:09] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I will dig the code to see what's wrong
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> I'll keep an eye out to see what is going on with that
[04:11] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I still have some probs installing Intel C Compiler, its in RPM, I use "alien" to convert to deb but it seems not to run after installed, lots of err, you know how to?
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> no I don't, alien should work just fine
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> what kind of errors does it give you?
[04:13] <mojo> segfault
[04:14] <mojo> i think it hasn't linked to some properly lib path
[04:14] <mojo> I have some type probs with installing Maya 6
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> I heard ppl having issues with Maya
[04:15] <mojo> yeah, Maya using alien miss all lib link,
[04:15] <aitrus> is there some other change i'm supposed to make to get the universe archive besides uncommenting those two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:15] <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1585
[04:15] <subterrific> ;(
[04:15] <subterrific> i've got run now
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> hey sub
[04:15] <subterrific> to
[04:15] <jward> aitrus: apt-get update
[04:15] <subterrific> yo
[04:16] <mojo> FireFox got to 1.0PR now, but Ubuntu hasn't updated it yet, so sad..
[04:16] <Tsjoklat> how is things?
[04:16] <aitrus> i get lots of errors when i do that... =(
[04:17] <aitrus> about index files failing to download
[04:17] <subterrific> good besides this machine not being able to stay up for more that 12 hours
[04:17] <jward> aitrus: what else is uncommented in there?
[04:17] <subterrific> i get the feeling the 2.6.8 kernel is a lemon
[04:17] <aitrus> everything except the comments
[04:17] <axe9> woot woot!
[04:17] <axe9> I'm getting the hang of this terminal..
[04:18] <axe9> finally >.>
[04:18] <jward> aitrus: don't have mine in front of me :( ... but I don't recall having everything uncommented ...
[04:18] <Tsjoklat> why twelve hours?
[04:18] <aitrus> jward: it keeps saying no such file or directory on the restricted stuff
[04:19] <mojo> hey ppl, I got a pal working a Adobe, he said Adobe now is considering to port Adobe Acrobat Reader motif to GTK2+, the plan has been subitted for consideration, happy news
[04:19] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: no idea, but i leave the machine sitting idle and when i come in the next morning its frozen
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> do you have your power savings on?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> I always disable that
[04:19] <subterrific> nope
[04:19] <subterrific> me too because it never works
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> had the same problem
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> do you  have powertweak installed?
[04:20] <subterrific> and this lock up actually just happened about 10 minutes ago while i was trying to talk to jdub about his laptop
[04:20] <jdub> oh go on
[04:20] <jdub> blame me
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> you are on a lap?
[04:20] <jdub> ;)
[04:20] <subterrific> YOU!
[04:20] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: no, its a desktop
[04:20] <jward> aitrus: can't help you, my laptop (with ubuntu) isn't with me ... are you on the same machine right now (i.e. network connection is up and running?)
[04:20] <subterrific> no powertweak installed
[04:20] <joem> is there an easy way/documentation to install ubuntu from the live cd
[04:21] <aitrus> jward: yup yup
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> taht is the weirdest thing.. mmmm I would still recheck the powersavings again.. just to be abso sure
[04:21] <subterrific> the install is literally the default install, i just use this machine to ssh into our servers
[04:22] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: you mean the powersaving stuff in the screensaver setup?
[04:22] <jward> joem: have you started the install process? it's fairly easy, even for a newbie, unless you are uncomfortable with partitioning a non-empty machine
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> yes
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> you have to check it all.. and push the sliders to the left so it will say: disable
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> that always does the trick for me
[04:23] <subterrific> everything is disabled, the screensaver is set to blank screen only
[04:23] <subterrific> i can try disabling that even
[04:23] <subterrific> but blank screen has never caused me problems
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> oh well then I think you found the problem
[04:23] <joem> jward, It isn't that, the install cd has hardware detection problems and fails, but I can boot fine from the live cd
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> you should be able to disable that
[04:23] <subterrific> ok, i'll try that
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> do you have xscreensaver installed?
[04:24] <subterrific> well yeah, its installed by default right?
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> not sure
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> perhaps reinstall the bugger again? it's too odd that you can't disable it
[04:25] <subterrific> i can
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> it sounds like it is trying to do powersavings of some sort and then kills your box
[04:25] <subterrific> and i just did
[04:25] <jward> joem: I had to disable some usb stuff the first time with the install cd, wasn't happy with my USB hub built in to my monitor, you should be able to do some tweakign with the boot options on the install cd.
[04:25] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: thats what i thought too, but it just did it while i was using the machine
[04:25] <joem> jward, have tried quite a few options, it bails not being able to find a cd rom drive
[04:26] <Tsjoklat> well the powersavings may be set to ten mins.. you don't know do you?
[04:26] <joem> but I will check it out some more
[04:26] <jward> joem: bummer, when did the live CD come out ... I didn't know it was ready ...
[04:26] <Tsjoklat> since you can't even disable it
[04:26] <subterrific> it is set to 10 minutes
[04:26] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: i can disable it, and i just did
[04:26] <subterrific> CAN
[04:26] <subterrific> but i wasn't idle for 10 minutes
[04:26] <subterrific> i was using the mouse when it died
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> are you able to check the power savings thing?
[04:27] <mojo> joem, sub, Tsjok: u guys know how to define the icon for a device when mount in GNOME? I plug in my USB and in My Computer the icon is just a normal drive icon, not the USB icon that I want, have any idea?
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> you have to check the box and then slide the sliders to the left
[04:27] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: all boxes are unchecked, like i said
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> check them
[04:27] <joem> jward, don't think it is official yet, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000297.html
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> check the power savings.. check the three underneath that
[04:28] <joem> mojo, right click properties - select custom icon?
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> slide the things to the left
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> apply/ok and see what it does then
[04:28] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: there are no sliders, you're confused with OS X
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> no I am not lol
[04:29] <Tsjoklat> there are three underneath it
[04:29] <subterrific> there are 3 edit fields with spinner controls, no sliders
[04:30] <Tsjoklat> same deal
[04:30] <Tsjoklat> all I know is,  you got to check 'em, and move them to the left so it says: disabled
[04:31] <Tsjoklat> let me check again.. sliders/spinners
[04:31] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: you're really confusing this with the OS X UI, it doesn't work like that at all
[04:31] <subterrific> there is a single check box that disables it
[04:32] <subterrific> i know what problem you're describing, and that is not what is happening
[04:32] <subterrific> the monitor is not going to sleep
[04:33] <mojo> hey tsjok: after I restart, the Workspace applet works normally again
[04:33] <Tsjoklat> alright.. you are right, but if the monitor doesn't go to sleep.. what do you mean then? it just dies?  your box?
[04:34] <subterrific> its like the kernel is dead locking and not handling interrupts
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> great mojo :) one prob solved
[04:34] <subterrific> read the bug report i wrote, i have to go now
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> I will
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> I need more coffee... useless right now
[04:35] <dieman> so...
[04:35] <dieman> does fgrlx have pcie support?
[04:39] <dieman> hmm
[04:39] <dieman> looks like it doesn't
[04:39] <dieman> bastards.
[04:39] <dieman> :)
[04:39] <mako> ergh.. has anyone else on the list seem my post about ubuntu traffic?
[04:40] <dieman> eh?
[04:40] <dieman> no
[04:40] <dieman> is that the subject?
[04:40] <dieman> yeah,i dont see anything yet
[04:40] <mako> i've sent it twice now
[04:41] <hornbeck> does anyone know where I can get the dbus-cil package
[04:41] <mako> well, i just finished the most recent traffic so i might as well update it and send it again
[04:41] <hornbeck> libdbus-cil I mean
[04:43] <mako> dieman: i spelled ubuntu wrong, differently, twice :)
[04:44] <dieman> heheh
[04:47] <schweeb> hornbeck: sounds like mono
[04:47] <hornbeck> yeah it is
[04:47] <hornbeck> it is dbus-sharp
[04:47] <hornbeck> I am wanting to play around with beagle and need that package
[04:47] <hornbeck> I guess I will have to learn to make .deb
[04:47] <schweeb> probably have to compile it
[04:47] <tvon> hornbeck: I think beagle needs dbus from cvs, not sure
[04:48] <tvon> hornbeck: but, there is no dbus-cil in ubuntu at the moment
[04:48] <schweeb> beagle usually needs cvs shit
[04:48] <hornbeck> I cannot get the dbus cvs to stop giving me errors
[04:48] <hornbeck> but I think I have beagle working now
[04:50] <jmhodges> hey, octave-matcompat mentions that it is replaced by octave-forge but octave-forge does not exist in the ubuntu repositories
[04:52] <jmhodges> is there something im missing?
[04:53] <chutwig> so who's lalo martins
[04:53] <dieman> mako: 'people.ubunlinux.org' <-- you did it again.
[04:54] <mako> that's a different way too
[04:54] <mako> bah!
[04:55] <stratus> chutwig, afaik lalo is a brazillian DD.
[04:55] <chutwig> i got bored and went looking for the ubuntu group on orkut
[04:55] <chutwig> and he's the owner
[04:55] <mako> chchutwig: lalo is a python dude
[04:55] <mako> chutwig: ergh.. sorry
[04:56] <chutwig> ch-ch-ch-chutwig
[04:56] <stratus> is there a ubuntu community there already?
[04:56] <chutwig> yeah
[04:56] <mako> i'm REALLY lagged
[04:56] <chutwig> 8 people now, i just joined
[04:56] <stratus> mako, lalo is more than a python dude :P
[04:56] <mako> my internet is down and i'm, weather permitting, working with a laptop halfway out the window in the kitchen routing o my network
[04:56] <stratus> mako, hau!
[04:56] <mako> stratus: yes :)
[04:56] <mako> some nice neighbor :)
[04:57] <stratus> ;)
[04:57] <mako> lalo works for canonical
[04:57] <stratus> mako, is he? hmm.
[04:57] <stratus> mako, i've talked with mr. reis by mail these days.
[04:57] <chutwig> angestellter
[04:57] <stratus> lalo is a really old buddy.
[04:58] <mako> kiko is great :)
[04:58] <stratus> he seems to be a cool guy.
[04:58] <stratus> i was disturbing him about the projects, plans and that stuff.
[04:59] <mako> i've hung out with lalo, and kiko actually, at both FISL and some canonical meetings
[04:59] <mako> dieman: but i mispelled it in a hypothetical url, so it doesn't matter
[04:59] <mako> dieman: although it makes my phrase "probably" less probable
[04:59] <stratus> cool, i came back after debconf4 no FISL for me. much work :/
[05:00] <Se7h> erg
[05:00] <Se7h> i cant see how to make the movies play
[05:00] <Se7h> :|
[05:00] <Se7h> totem only gives the sound
[05:00] <jward> codec issue?
[05:01] <Se7h> and mplayer freezes when i try to play
[05:01] <tvon> could try totem-xine
[05:02] <Se7h> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:02] <Se7h> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:02] <Se7h> is only available from another source
[05:02] <Se7h> E: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[05:02] <elmaya> gxine
[05:03] <schweeb> gxine is sweet
[05:03] <schweeb> fullscreen always crashes on me
[05:03] <elmaya> never tried fullscreen
[05:03] <Se7h> E: Couldn't find package gxine
[05:04] <elmaya> update your sources
[05:04] <joem> schweeb, full screen gxine is broke in the official release
[05:04] <schweeb> you have to add universe
[05:04] <joem> but fixed in cvs
[05:04] <schweeb> joem: yea, I'm not real motivated to compile... even though I could easily build a package, heh
[05:04] <aitrus> let me know if your universe add works!
[05:04] <aitrus> mine is still dying... =(
[05:05] <schweeb> too busy with everything else
[05:05] <Se7h> btw
[05:05] <Se7h> how do i do that?
[05:05] <Se7h> (lol)
[05:05] <elmaya> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <elmaya> uncoment universe then apt-get update
[05:06] <Se7h> ah so that's universe
[05:06] <Se7h> lol o k
[05:08] <Se7h> fine by now...
[05:09] <wm_eddie> yeah... ubuntu is awesome...
[05:10] <Se7h> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:10] <Se7h> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources .gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:10] <Se7h> 78% [18 Sources gzip 0]  [21 Sources 21236/1053kB 2%]                53.5kB/s 19s
[05:10] <Se7h> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[05:10] <Se7h> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[05:10] <Se7h>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:10] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[05:10] <Se7h> well
[05:10] <Se7h> thats all
[05:10] <aitrus> i get that too, comment out your deb-src line for universe
[05:11] <jward> but does that keep it from working, or is it only a warning?
[05:11] <aitrus> it seems to tick off synaptic
[05:11] <Se7h> what?
[05:11] <Se7h> no
[05:11] <dieman> heh
[05:11] <Se7h> just warnings
[05:11] <dieman> someone break the file?
[05:12] <jward> aitrus: ah, didn't know you were using synaptic
[05:12] <aitrus> jward: i'm using both command line and synaptic
[05:12] <Se7h> me too
[05:12] <aitrus> jward: when you guys tell me somethign, i use the command-line... when i go to browse stuff, i use synaptic
[05:12] <aitrus> wha?!  no mplayer in universe?  am i crazy?
[05:13] <elmaya> nop
[05:13] <Se7h> i get a bunch of dependecies
[05:13] <Se7h> and it stop the mplayer upgrade
[05:13] <wm_eddie> mplayer is special...
[05:13] <Oolong> faq gives the name of a deb mirror to get mplayer
[05:14] <Se7h> resuming...
[05:14] <Se7h> still cant watch movies
[05:14] <wm_eddie> exit
[05:14] <wm_eddie> exit
[05:14] <wm_eddie> oops...
[05:14] <Se7h> uh?
[05:16] <chutwig> i recommend trying totem-xine from universe instead
[05:16] <chutwig> or vlc
[05:16] <chutwig> i don't like mplayer
[05:16] <jward> The faq says add debian-marillat what's the prefix to that? http?
[05:17] <Oolong> tp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[05:18] <aitrus> hmm... i don't have sound in flash files...
[05:18] <jward> Oolong: thanks
[05:18] <Se7h> how can i dpkg -i
[05:18] <Se7h> and download required libs ?
[05:19] <Se7h> i mean...
[05:19] <Se7h> at the same time
[05:19] <Se7h> :P
[05:19] <jward> use apt-get
[05:20] <chutwig> bronx cheer
[05:21] <Se7h> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:21] <Se7h> same
[05:21] <Se7h> i get the needed libs
[05:22] <jward> Se7h: not sure I follow you, what's stuck?
[05:22] <Se7h> well basicaly
[05:22] <Se7h> i cant play movie files
[05:23] <jward> yes, and you added the marillat repo to get mplayer, and did an apt-get install mplayer?
[05:23] <jward> (after doing an apt-get update)
[05:23] <chutwig> did you update your package lists first?
[05:23] <Se7h> w8
[05:23] <schweeb> mplayer has nothing to do withi movies working
[05:23] <Se7h> mplayer
[05:23] <schweeb> it's probably more of a codec problem
[05:23] <Se7h> is installed
[05:23] <Se7h> but
[05:23] <schweeb> apt-get install w32codecs
[05:23] <Se7h> mplayer freezes when i try to play
[05:24] <chutwig> get totem-xine already
[05:24] <Se7h> chutwig dependencies
[05:24] <Oolong> the codec are on the marillat repo
[05:24] <chutwig> what dependencies?
[05:24] <Se7h> ie
[05:24] <Se7h>   totem-xine: Depends: libgcrypt11 but it is not installable
[05:24] <Se7h>               Depends: libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) but it is not installable
[05:24] <Se7h>               Depends: libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0) but 0.7-1 is to be installed
[05:24] <wm_eddie> man, this modprobe is taking forever.
[05:24] <Se7h> i know...download each of them and install
[05:24] <chutwig> zuh
[05:25] <chutwig> your dependencies are wacked
[05:25] <Se7h> lol
[05:25] <chutwig> what happens when you apt-get install libgnutls11
[05:25] <chutwig> what does it say
[05:26] <Se7h> E: Package libgnutls11 has no installation candidate
[05:26] <Se7h> i've already tried that
[05:26] <aitrus> is there a gstreamer plugin for quicktime or wmv files?
[05:28] <Se7h> so...any ideias?=
[05:28] <jward> Se7h: might try the "--fix-broken" flag to apt-get ...
[05:28] <Se7h> hmmm
[05:28] <chutwig> or you might try taking a bat to it
[05:28] <aitrus> that's the spirit!
[05:29] <Se7h> ;P
[05:29] <Se7h> no jward
[05:29] <Se7h> same thing
[05:29] <Se7h> i get the list of dependecies
[05:30] <jward> I'm useless, I don't have my ubuntu box in front of me so I can't try it myself
[05:30] <Se7h> :|
[05:30] <wm_eddie> hmm alsa doesn't work :/
[05:31] <Se7h> i've got 3 problems to resolv
[05:31] <Se7h> i think...
[05:31] <Se7h> its the movie files thing
[05:31] <Se7h> windows network access
[05:31] <Se7h> and the flash
[05:31] <Se7h> oh
[05:32] <Se7h> and install a cd burning prog
[05:32] <jward> Could be worse, you could have my problem where when I boot into ubuntu DNS stops working on my entire network, and I have to renew my lease on my wireless router!
[05:33] <Se7h> lololol
[05:33] <Se7h> indeed
[05:33] <Se7h> but i want to see some porn
[05:33] <Se7h> and cant find a way to
[05:33] <Se7h> ;P
[05:34] <Se7h> well its 4.34am
[05:34] <Se7h> and i gotta get to bed
[05:34] <Se7h> thanks for the possible help u could give
[05:34] <Se7h> cya
[05:35] <jward> same for me, keep up the good work and persistence ...
[05:48] <hornbeck> night
[05:50] <tuppa> so who's agreeing to give a talk next month in SAGE-NSW about Ubuntu? ;)
[05:51] <jdub> tuppa: there've been emails to rob and i about it
[05:51] <jdub> tuppa: i should be able to go
[05:52] <tuppa> jdub:  cool, wouldn't mind seeing you or rob demoing it again ;)
[05:52] <jdub> this time i'll do the talk DURING the install
[05:52] <jdub> YEAH
[05:52] <jdub> tuppa: you enjoying it?
[05:53] <tuppa> yeh it was cool
[05:53] <tuppa> although I did wonder, what is perl doing in ubuntu? ;)
[05:53] <jdub> naw, ubuntu, not the talk :)
[05:53] <jdub> has to be there
[05:53] <tuppa> heh
[05:53] <tuppa> yeh so far so good
[05:53] <jdub> base includes all the useful unix utilities :)
[05:53] <tuppa> have to pull more people from work to use it :)
[05:53] <jdub> still at fluffy?
[05:54] <tuppa> nah left 3 months ago
[05:54] <jdub> oh, where are you now?
[05:54] <tuppa> place called corvu
[05:54] <tuppa> business "intelligence" software
[05:54] <tuppa> am currently fighting the good fight of converting more people to Linux ;)
[05:55] <rage1> well more plugin,s be in the final release are depend on apt
[05:55] <tuppa> and attempting to decommission the windows and AIX server here :D
[05:56] <jdub> tuppa: ooh, enterprise todo list products! ;)
[05:56] <schweeb> tuppa: heh, <3 migration
[05:57] <schweeb> get a good feeling building a Linux server out of a Windows server
[05:58] <dst> is there a gnome-base type package that I can apt get to bring in all of gnome?
[05:58] <tuppa> well the windows server aren't doing much except being a SQL server and SUS server
[05:58] <jdub> dst: you didn't install the entire desktop?
[05:58] <tuppa> so that's pretty much windows-y
[05:59] <schweeb> dst: gnome should all be installed by default
[05:59] <dst> jdub: couldn't get the install cd to work, had to use a small net install cd
[05:59] <tuppa> jdub:  so, what funky stuff does ubuntu "enterprise" have? ;)
[05:59] <schweeb> dst: mini.iso?
[05:59] <dst> schweeb: yes
[05:59] <schweeb> pulled down everything for me...
[05:59] <dst> hm
[06:02] <jdub> dst: aptitiude install "~tubuntu-desktop"
[06:02] <jdub> tuppa: there is no 'enterprise' :)
[06:02] <dst> jdub: thanks
[06:04] <tuppa> heh
[06:04] <slackeerb> how would I burn a .dmg cd image on ubuntu/gnome?
[06:04] <jdub> oof
[06:04] <jdub> i don't think they're iso format
[06:04] <jdub> slackeerb: open a terminal
[06:04] <jdub> and run 'file <filename>'
[06:04] <jdub> what does it say?
[06:05] <slackeerb> jdub: it says cannot open
[06:05] <slackeerb> im trying to burn mac os panther so i can check out pear pc
[06:05] <jdub> slackeerb: are you in the same directory as the file? :)
[06:06] <slackeerb> yes
[06:06] <slackeerb> i get this
[06:06] <slackeerb> is it ok if i paste it?
[06:06] <slackeerb> its kinda big
[06:06] <jdub> wow, there's lots of ubuntu stuff on gnome-look
[06:06] <jdub> slackeerb: i guess - how big?
[06:06] <slackeerb> ej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg
[06:06] <slackeerb> Mac:     cannot open 'Mac' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> OS:      cannot open 'OS' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> X:       cannot open 'X' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Panther: cannot open 'Panther' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Final:   cannot open 'Final' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Install: cannot open 'Install' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Disc:    cannot open 'Disc' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> 1.dmg:   cannot open '1.dmg' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <dst> eek
[06:06] <slackeerb> that big
[06:06] <dst> slackeerb: pput the name in ""
[06:07] <dst> or use tab completion
[06:07] <phlaegel> slackeerb: it thinks you asked it to check 8 files
[06:07] <slackeerb> ej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file "Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg"
[06:07] <slackeerb> Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg: data
[06:08] <slackeerb> ? =)
[06:09] <jmhodges> would a bug report on a missing dependency in universe by ok? or does that fall under "universe is not supported"?
[06:09] <jmhodges> s/by/be/
[06:11] <slackeerb> eh ill come back tomarrow and ask. i got to wake up at 5. Good night everyone.
[06:13] <jmhodges> if i shouldn't post to the ubuntu bugzilla, who should i talk to about universe?
[06:13] <dst> jesus?
[06:15] <jmhodges> mmm.. agnostic.. damn..
[06:15] <jmhodges> good idea though
[06:24] <wm_eddie> um is alsa-utils not supposed to have alsaconf
[06:24] <schweeb> try alsa-base
[06:25] <wm_eddie> I already installed that.
[06:25] <wm_eddie> I did apt-get update an hour ago too.
[06:26] <schweeb> hrm
[06:26] <schweeb> it's not installed on my box anymore either
[06:26] <schweeb> maybe that's intentional
[06:26] <wm_eddie> it was installed before
[06:26] <schweeb> yes
[06:26] <wm_eddie> but then I re-installed it because it wasn't working.
[06:26] <schweeb> most of the alsa conf should be done by hotplug now though
[06:26] <wm_eddie> I'm running 2.4 too
[06:27] <schweeb> alsa-utils (1.0.5-1ubuntu2) warty; urgency=low
[06:27] <schweeb>   * Remove alsaconf due to bugginess; it's not generally needed (insecure
[06:27] <schweeb>     temporary file, writing empty modprobe.conf (Ubuntu #1378))
[06:27] <schweeb>  -- Matt Zimmerman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:20 -0700
[06:27] <schweeb> ahh
[06:28] <schweeb> so that's what was writing the empty modprobe.conf
[06:28] <schweeb> nice
[06:28] <schweeb> I was gonna file a bugreport on that, but forgot
[06:28] <schweeb> why would you install 2.4 on ubuntu?  you lost most of the reasons to use it in the first place
[06:29] <wm_eddie> apm doesn't work in 1.6
[06:29] <schweeb> no udev
[06:29] <wm_eddie> 2.6
[06:29] <wm_eddie> on my laptop
[06:29] <schweeb> apm or acpi?
[06:29] <wm_eddie> apm, it's too old for acpi
[06:29] <schweeb> try acpi
[06:29] <schweeb> ah
[06:29] <wm_eddie> acpi doens't work
[06:29] <wm_eddie> I tried.
[06:29] <schweeb> well
[06:30] <schweeb> did you compile alsa into 2.4?
[06:30] <wm_eddie> no, I juse used what was in universe.
[06:30] <wm_eddie> and installed the alsa module
[06:32] <schweeb> you need to compile the driver modules
[06:33] <wm_eddie> do I? why?
[06:33] <schweeb> alsa isn't in 2.4
[06:33] <schweeb> unless someone included them for you...
[06:33] <wm_eddie> alsa-modules-2.4.26-1-686 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)
[06:34] <schweeb> ahh
[06:34] <schweeb> still, hotplug should load it all for you
[06:34] <wm_eddie> it's strange that's why I need alsaconf
[06:34] <schweeb> is it not working?
[06:34] <schweeb> lsmod | grep snd
[06:34] <wm_eddie> I need to force it to load another driver
[06:34] <schweeb> and cat /proc/asound/cards
[06:34] <schweeb> ah
[06:34] <schweeb> hotplug loading the OSS driver?
[06:35] <wm_eddie> nothing in lsmod| grep snd
[06:35] <wm_eddie> and no /proc/asound/
[06:35] <schweeb> well
[06:35] <schweeb> no alsa modules loaded
[06:35] <wm_eddie> I'm confused :( I want my alsaconf back...
[06:36] <schweeb> you're not going to have a lot of fun using ubuntu w/o 2.6 :-/
[06:36] <schweeb> just a sec though
[06:36] <schweeb> lemme get the linuxorbit article you used to have to use back in the day to get it working
[06:36] <wm_eddie> well, a laptop without apm is useless....
[06:36] <schweeb> meh, shut it off when you're not using it
[06:37] <schweeb> http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1
[06:37] <wm_eddie> I can go without sleep, but I need to know how my battery is going at least.
[06:40] <toyowheelin> hello all
[06:41] <toyowheelin> I have just installed ubuntu amd64 and the install never prompted for a ROOT password so I was wondering what the "default" password would be?
[06:41] <wm_eddie> Tomorrow I have to fix this, and enter the world of pain that is my wireless card.
[06:41] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: there is none
[06:42] <toyowheelin> it will not accept blank as a pass
[06:42] <wm_eddie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[06:42] <sladen> toyowheelin:   sudo {...command you would have typed as root...}
[06:42] <toyowheelin> its in the GUI
[06:42] <sladen> toyowheelin: eg.   sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <sladen> toyowheelin: gtksudo should take care of that
[06:43] <wm_eddie> my gtksudo always fails...
[06:43] <sladen> could you describe how it's failing?
[06:43] <wm_eddie> hold on...
[06:44] <wm_eddie> failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status
[06:44] <toyowheelin> Failed to run gdmsetup as user root:
[06:44] <toyowheelin>  Child terminated with 1 status
[06:44] <wm_eddie> I actually have a root password though.
[06:45] <toyowheelin> lol wm_eddie same error
[06:45] <toyowheelin> I dont
[06:45] <sladen> what happens if you open a terminal and type:
[06:45] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: you want to use your user password
[06:45] <sladen>   sudo echo hello this is being run as root
[06:45] <wm_eddie> ubuntu:/etc/alsa/0.9# sudo echo hello
[06:45] <wm_eddie> hello
[06:45] <toyowheelin> I havent setup a pass for root yet
[06:45] <phlaegel> toyowheelin: you're not supposed to
[06:46] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: have you read that faq I posted?
[06:46] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: you don't need to, everything uses sudo
[06:46] <sladen> wm_eddie: okay.  And what happens when you run that as a user like you're supposed to!  :)
[06:46] <wm_eddie> yeah, I just realized that i was in a root prompt
[06:47] <wm_eddie> I think I have to add myself to the sudoers file
[06:47] <wm_eddie> hmm where is that I wonder.. /etc/sudo
[06:47] <wm_eddie> ?
[06:47] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:48] <wm_eddie> woo~
[06:48] <Treenaks> argh, evolution doesn't understand ipv6 imap servers it seems
[06:48] <Treenaks> "Invalid argument" while connecting..
[06:49] <toyowheelin> how do I go about installing KDE?
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> lol
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[06:50] <toyowheelin> :/
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> just kde isn't much supported yet
[06:50] <toyowheelin> its really not funny
[06:50] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:51] <schweeb> I think most of it's in universe now
[06:51] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: just use gnome and make your life easier for now.
[06:51] <toyowheelin> grr well can anyone tell me how to turn up the refresh on the mon...60hz is deadly on the eyes
[06:51] <fabbione> how do i tell thunderbird to stop opening new windows each time i click on a message or a mailbox?
[06:51] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: edit /etc/X11/XF86COnfig
[06:51] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:51] <schweeb> fabbione: there's an extension
[06:51] <toyowheelin> was hoping for a gui way
[06:51] <wm_eddie> except... properly capitalized?
[06:51] <wm_eddie> ...
[06:51] <schweeb> fabbione: No New Window On Double Click
[06:51] <wm_eddie> why did I put a ? there...
[06:52] <wm_eddie> I need slee.
[06:52] <fabbione> toyowheelin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <wm_eddie> p
[06:52] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config ?
[06:52] <fabbione> do not edit X config manually!
[06:52] <fabbione> it's BAD
[06:52] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <fabbione> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:52] <fabbione> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:52] <toyowheelin> ok
[06:52] <schweeb> yes, it eats your children
[06:52] <schweeb> it'd be neat if xserver-xfree86 could configure TwinView ;)
[06:52] <fabbione> schweeb: where do i find that extension?
[06:53] <schweeb> fabbione: just a sec
[06:53] <fabbione> schweeb: file a wishlist bug with all the reference
[06:53] <fabbione> s/wishlist/enanchement
[06:53] <fabbione> perhaps it's doable somehow
[06:53] <schweeb> yea, I probably will
[06:53] <fabbione> <- maintains X
[06:53] <schweeb> ahh
[06:54] <schweeb> you on XSF too?
[06:54] <fabbione> yes
[06:54] <wm_eddie> how do I go about installing mono?
[06:54] <schweeb> as is daniels, correct?
[06:54] <Se7h> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,3,10,203)
[06:54] <Se7h> LIST -aL
[06:54] <Se7h> 553 Invalid file or directory.
[06:54] <Se7h> Invalid response '5' received from server.
[06:54] <wm_eddie> I'd really like mono.
[06:54] <fabbione> schweeb: correct
[06:55] <schweeb> wm_eddie: you'll have to add an extra source
[06:55] <Se7h> how do i take passive mode from gftp ?=
[06:55] <schweeb> I'll get you the URL after I get the NNWODC thing for fabbione
[06:55] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:56] <plovs> wm_eddie, mono: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[06:56] <schweeb> fabbione: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=150
[06:56] <wm_eddie> I'm very interested in mono.  I like C# too.
[06:56] <schweeb> yea, tseng's source
[06:56] <phlaegel> wm_eddie: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000068.html
[06:56] <schweeb> heh
[06:57] <schweeb> I'm gonna mirror tseng's source along with some other frequently needed ubuntu things soon, hopefully
[06:57] <schweeb> fabbione: I use that for my employees at work (we use tbird now! - way better than outlook)
[06:57] <fabbione> schweeb: thanks. checking nwo
[06:57] <fabbione> now
[06:58] <schweeb> I've only ran into problems with it once
[06:58] <schweeb> an employee couldn't open up new emails earlier... and it turned out to be that
[06:58] <schweeb> but works elsewhere perfect
[07:00] <fabbione> yup
[07:00] <fabbione> it seems to work ok
[07:00] <fabbione> thanks dude
[07:00] <schweeb> no prob
[07:00] <schweeb> reminds me I gotta migrate back to tbird from evo
[07:00] <schweeb> evo = slow
[07:00] <fabbione> hm no
[07:00] <wm_eddie> evo = gnome
[07:00] <fabbione> it didn't load it
[07:01] <wm_eddie> and that means better integration.
[07:01] <schweeb> you have to restart tbird, fabbione
[07:01] <schweeb> wm_eddie: that doesn't matter to me
[07:02] <schweeb> wm_eddie: when I go to my linux-kernel box, or something, and I can't do anything else in my email client, that's bad
[07:02] <schweeb> I can do all kinds of fun shit in tbird and it keeps goin strong
[07:03] <schweeb> when there's a good open groupware server solution for linux that I can connect evolution to, then I can consider using evolution
[07:04] <toyowheelin> alright much better
[07:04] <schweeb> hopefully an eGroupware plugin
[07:04] <wm_eddie> Is there a way I can sync my evolutions with my server?
[07:04] <schweeb> sync what?
[07:04] <toyowheelin> now...how to install things like...tuxracer and more important tings like xmms
[07:04] <wm_eddie> Mostly contacts and todo list items.
[07:05] <toyowheelin> *things
[07:05] <fabbione> schweeb: in which .mozilla-thunderbird directory the plugin has to be installed?
[07:05] <schweeb> the bounties are still open for calendar publishing
[07:05] <phlaegel> toyowheelin: run synaptic and search around a bit. lots of apps to install there.
[07:05] <Se7h> "Invalid response '5' received from server." on gftp
[07:05] <schweeb> fabbione: I just import the xpi *shrug*
[07:05] <wm_eddie> a whole lot
[07:05] <fabbione> schweeb: ah ok
[07:06] <wm_eddie> yea! mono is working.
[07:06] <schweeb> wm_eddie: I also happen to like firefox about 10000x more than Epiphany :p gonna hold that against me too
[07:07] <wm_eddie> I hate epiphany...
[07:07] <schweeb> well, epiphany = gnome, so :p
[07:07] <toyowheelin> awww no tuxracer
[07:07] <wm_eddie> yeah...
[07:07] <clee> epiphany totally sucks.
[07:07] <clee> no 'View source' in the context menus
[07:07] <clee> weak
[07:08] <schweeb> I was angry when "preferences" was moved back to the "edit" submenu
[07:08] <schweeb> in firefox
[07:08] <schweeb> that's about the only thing that pisses me off about it
[07:08] <fabbione> schweeb: ok.. got the trick thanks :-)
[07:08] <dst> that is where prefrences go..
[07:08] <schweeb> fabbione: np
[07:08] <schweeb> dst: tools!
[07:08] <joem> no
[07:09] <schweeb> hrm..
[07:09] <schweeb> I go to evo
[07:09] <joem> edit prefrences makes sense
[07:09] <schweeb> where are settings
[07:09] <schweeb> IN TOOLS
[07:09] <joem> tools prefrences doesn't
[07:09] <clee> schweeb: dude, evo is non-HIG-compliant
[07:09] <schweeb> the edit menu is for text editing
[07:09] <joem> it is for editing period
[07:09] <clee> schweeb: every other GNOME app that complies with the HIG uses Edit->Prefs
[07:09] <joem> yea evo still uses settings
[07:10] <schweeb> strict HIG compliance is going to drive me insane.
[07:10] <clee> KDE will always love you ;)
[07:10] <joem> there is a bug on it somewhere, but they are going for outlook migration, so they might not care about that
[07:10] <jamesh> schweeb: why?  Because it makes things internally consistent?
[07:11] <schweeb> I'm a firm believer in the settings being in the tools menu... if anything, not the edit menu, but the file menu, where you have your printer settings and such
[07:12] <schweeb> can argue with me all you want, but I consider edit to be the wrong place
[07:12] <wm_eddie> yay mono is working!
[07:12] <clee> schweeb: dude, then take it up with the HIG authors
[07:13] <schweeb> clee: maybe I will someday
[07:13] <clee> schweeb: as it stands, evolution is being naughty and needs to be spanked
[07:13] <wm_eddie> woo and tomboy is in that server too
[07:13] <wm_eddie> clee: that'll only provoke it.
[07:13] <clee> wm_eddie: I like it when evo gets all frisky.
[07:13] <schweeb> I know why the HIG is useful and all... that doesn't mean all of its decisions make sense
[07:14] <joem> schweeb: where is the sense in the tools menu
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: of course.
[07:14] <joem> what does editing prefs have to do with tools
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: however, the point is that all apps should comply with the HIG fully whereever the HIG has something to say
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: And when the HIG is wrong, then the apps will all be consistently wrong
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: Then when the HIG is fixed, all of the apps will become consistently fixed
[07:14] <jamesh> schweeb: what should an app do if it has no other items to go in the tools menu?
[07:15] <schweeb> joem: look at your edit menu, is there anything else in there similar to editing preferences?
[07:15] <joem> depends on the app, in epiphany I have personal data and toolbar
[07:15] <schweeb> the configuration applet for a program is a "tool"
[07:16] <joem> no it isn't, prefs are something you edit
[07:16] <schweeb> I'm done.
[07:17] <joem> though if fire fox is going to be consistant with it, they should move themes to edit as well
[07:17] <joem> becuase that is very similar to prefs, and they should be in the same menu
[07:17] <schweeb> really, the hig should have called for a new "Preferences" menu or something
[07:18] <schweeb> and edit should be "Text"
[07:18] <schweeb> or similar
[07:18] <joem> that just creates more options then needed
[07:18] <clee> with <App> -> Preferences...
[07:18] <schweeb> because in all pre-HIG apps anywhere... edit was almost exclusively text tools
[07:19] <schweeb> find, cut,copy, paste, etc...
[07:20] <joem> some smaller apps don't include/need those options
[07:20] <joem> heh
[07:20] <clee> schweeb: what you *should* do is join #gnome on irc.gimp.org and bitch at *them* about it
[07:20] <clee> they'd love it
[07:21] <schweeb> heh
[07:21] <schweeb> I'm sure jdub would *love* that after my kernel module argument the other night
[07:24] <lamont> mdz: around?
[07:29] <tvon|x31> er, not Xsession in specific, but "X session"
[07:29] <ish> is hald really necessary?
[07:29] <tvon|x31> I think SuSE does it by default
[07:29] <jdub> ish: yes.
[07:29] <schweeb> ish: most definitely
[07:29] <jdub> tvon|x31: which keychain, which session?
[07:29] <ish> ok.. just trying to trackdown anything that could be locking my system.
[07:30] <lamont> ...the dependencies of xmms proper and libxmms are in Depends:, the
[07:30] <lamont>     dependencies of the plugins are in Recommends:. If the package management
[07:30] <lamont>     tool of your choice doesn't support some of these dependencies, please do
[07:30] <lamont>     not cast blame for that on the xmms package. Direct thy wrath properly ;o)
[07:30] <lamont> le huh???
[07:31] <ish> with acpi my latop gets hotter than I think its ever been..
[07:31] <tvon|x31> jdub: "keychain" the app, and my GNOME session
[07:32] <tvon|x31> jdub: I think SuSE does it by default, and I've set it up before in Gentoo/Fedora..  basically when you login you get a gtk-ssh-askpass, after that your passphrase is stored for ssh sessions
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: ssh-agent is running
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: add ssh-add to your session, or just run it from a terminal
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: if you run it from 'run application...' you get ssh-askpass-gnome :)
[07:33] <jdub> (or anywhere that doesn't have a tty)
[07:33] <tvon|x31> jdub: well fancy that
[07:34] <tvon|x31> jdub: thanks
[07:34] <jdub> tvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)
[07:35] <bdale> lamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only front-end to package management that gets the handling of all dependency types right.
[07:35] <schweeb> 01:34 < jdub> tvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)
[07:35] <schweeb> 01:35 < bdale> lamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only
[07:35] <schweeb>                front-end to package management that gets the handling of all
[07:35] <schweeb>                dependency types right.
[07:35] <schweeb> urgh
[07:35] <schweeb> stupid mouse losing sync again
[07:35] <lamont> bdale: yeah, but if you have binaries in your package, that depend on a shlib, is it _LEGAL_ to make that just a recommends?
[07:35] <tvon|x31> hehe
[07:35] <tvon|x31> jdub: thanks for the info
[07:36] <bdale> lamont: since I no longer use xmms, and never used any plugins, I'm not sure I care in this particular case.  [so slap me]
[07:36] <lamont> heh
[07:36] <lamont> bdale: I only care because the bug landed in my lap.
[07:37] <bdale> lamont: this sounds like anothe problematic example of handling optional functionality
[07:37] <lamont> yep
[07:41] <bdale> grrr
[07:46] <fabbione> hey bdale
[07:50] <bdale> I hate it when a reboot "cures" a problem.
[07:52] <fabbione> does anybody have a Matrox P650?
[07:54] <clee> hi, bdale
[08:00] <bdale> spurious internal compiler error / seg fault stuff ... non repeatable.  sounds like RAM is failing?
[08:07] <pisuke> hi. just installed ubutu
[08:07] <pisuke> it rocks
[08:07] <pisuke> thank you
[08:07] <mike__> hey, is there any updated ubuntu livecd?
[08:08] <pisuke> just one problem. i need to do some adminstrative tasks. and sudo keeps asking me the root passwd. what's wrong?
[08:09] <pisuke> i read the wiki and you're suposed to use sudo
[08:10] <WW> Is it possible to install Ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?
[08:11] <tvon|x31> pisuke: its not asking you for the root password, its asking you for *your* password
[08:11] <pisuke> ah
[08:12] <ish> How can I start nautilus without creating a window (I'm starting it from .xsession)
[08:12] <pisuke> thank you tvon
[08:12] <tvon|x31> pisuke: no problemo
[08:12] <tvon|x31> ish: nautilus -n
[08:12] <pisuke> haven't used sudo. it shows
[08:12] <tvon|x31> nautilus --no-default-window
[08:12] <tvon|x31> pisuke: ;)
[08:12] <ish> tvon|x31: it just exits
[08:13] <tvon|x31> ish: hrm
[08:13] <ish> But thats what I gather the command is from the manpage.
[08:17] <tvon|x31> ish: running 'startx' that only runs 'exec xterm' and running 'nautilus -n' in that xterm....works for me
[08:19] <Britt> WW: I'm not sure about the install process ... I haven't worked through custom yet. You should be able to revert to 2.4 via apt after the initial install though (assuming you can get that far. I'm geussing you're having problems based on the nature of the ?).
[08:20] <tvon|x31> hrm
[08:20] <tvon|x31> brb
[08:20] <mdz> lamont: here
[08:21] <subterrific> anyone else tried running the vnc stuff via the desktop sharing capplet?
[08:21] <subterrific> its not running for me, i turn it on and vncserver doesn't run and no additional ports are listening
[08:21] <subterrific> file a bug?
[08:22] <WW> Britt: Actually, I haven't had problems, but eventually I need to install MATLAB (a commercial mathematics product). According to there docs, their latest release requires kernel 2.4.x.
[08:22] <WW> their*
[08:23] <Britt> subterrific: what does 'lsof -i | grep vino' report?
[08:23] <Britt> WW: you should have no problems then ... 'sudo apt-cache search kernel-image'
[08:23] <subterrific> Britt: nothing :(
[08:24] <WW> Britt: The MATLAB docs also so they require glibc (glibc6) 2.2.5.  How would I check that?
[08:24] <subterrific> if i run vino-server in a term, it seems to work fine
[08:24] <Britt> subterrific: yes I'd guess that's a bug then. I haven't touched vino from cli and it works by default here
[08:25] <Britt> mbselv0@lacasa ~ $ lsof -i | grep vino
[08:25] <Britt> vino-serv  4947 mbselv0   32u  IPv4  10875       TCP *:5900 (LISTEN)
[08:25] <subterrific> Britt: yeah, it worked on my other ubuntu machine
[08:25] <subterrific> sucks cause i turned it on here before i went to work, planning on testing it from work
[08:25] <subterrific> i got to work and it wasn't running :(
[08:25] <Britt> WW: dpkg -i glibc*
[08:26] <plovs_> aptitude can not be ran as a user, only using sudo, bug?
[08:26] <Britt> subterrific: i've had bad luck with it sofar here also. LAN connection is VERY slow (unusable) ... and 'vncviewer localhost' explodes
[08:27] <subterrific> Britt: heh, well i ran vncviewer on the same machine as vino-server at work and it was pretty interesting
[08:27] <plovs_> are there plans for nxserver/viewer?
[08:27] <subterrific> did this crazy mirroring effect
[08:27] <Britt> WW: or if you are looking for info on a package you are going to install, apt-cache show pkgname
[08:27] <WW> plovs_: I don't think so.
[08:27] <subterrific> plovs_: i heard there are plans to consider it
[08:28] <subterrific> plovs_: it might have even been mentioned in the osnews interview
[08:28] <Britt> subterrific: yeah that's what i got as well ... wonder if thats an ubuntu thing
[08:28] <plovs_> it is nicer/faster then vnc
[08:28] <subterrific> yeah, screen style session management :)
[08:28] <WW> plovs_: My previous comment was about your question about aptitude.
[08:28] <Britt> but can it access the active desktop session?
[08:28] <Britt> I played with it for a few min the other day and couldn't get it to do that
[08:29] <plovs_> Britt, I do not have a root password (that's ok) but when I run aptitude, it will ask me for it
[08:30] <Britt> plovs_: it should be asking for your user passwd
[08:30] <Britt> (even if it's described incorrectly in aptitude)
[08:31] <WW> Britt: Thanks for the pointers.  If I can get MATLAB working, I just might be able to keep this nifty installation.
[08:31] <Britt> if that's not the case it's a bug (and if that is the case and it's described incorrectly it's a bug :)
[08:31] <Britt> WW: lets hope it works in 2.6!
[08:31] <Britt> WW: otherwise you're gonna be missing out on all Utopia love!
[08:32] <WW> Britt: You know, I haven't tried it in 2.6.  That couldn't hurt anything, could it?
[08:32] <Britt> WW: definitely not
[08:33] <plovs_> Britt, it will ask for my userpasswd if I do: sudo aptitude , it will ask for root password if I install a package from aptitude if I called it without sudo
[08:34] <plovs_> Britt, or should I go and have a coffee?
[08:35] <Britt> plovs_: the first part is correct ... the second is a bug
[08:35] <phlaegel> why is that a bug? sudo runs as root, so logically the app should ask for root passwd when called without sudo.
[08:36] <plovs_> phlaegel, it is not a debian bug but it is an ubuntu-bug as ubuntu banned root
[08:36] <plovs_> phlaegel, and it won't work without root
[08:36] <WW> Britt: ??? apt-get install Utopia-love ???
[08:36] <phlaegel> that's why sudo is set up...
[08:38] <Britt> phlaegel: right ... but specific to ubuntu, if run without sudo it should ask for the users password, not root. I'm not sure how this is going to be handled within third party apps like aptitude though
[08:38] <plovs_> Britt, is aptitude an ubuntu-native app or did  I pull it in from universe?
[08:39] <Britt> WW: Utopia is the project that includes HAL, dbus, and gnome-volume-manager (amongst other things) that make things like usbkey/cd/digi camera autodetection possible
[08:39] <phlaegel> to do that right(ish), apps that need root would have to implicitly call sudo...
[08:39] <Britt> WW: they depend on having a 2.6 kernel though
[08:40] <Britt> plovs_: I believe it's native, but don't quote me on that.
[08:40] <subterrific> phlaegel: you can make a launcher for the app that runs it with gksudo, that is what ubuntu is doing for all of the other apps that need root
[08:41] <plovs_> Britt, I'll just file it as a bug and then we'll see (I like filing bugs)
[08:41] <subterrific> everything in the system configuration menu is that way
[08:42] <Britt> plovs_: great :)
[08:42] <subterrific> phlaegel: synaptic works the same way
[08:42] <phlaegel> subterrific: what about cli? or other apps? I'm not sure there's a clean way to really "fix" it.
[08:43] <subterrific> cli apps you run using sudo or run with a root term (sudo -s)
[08:43] <phlaegel> gksudo is kind of an illusory fix, imho
[08:43] <subterrific> i suppose, but it works
[08:43] <phlaegel> yeah, it works fine, I have no problem with it as it is. that's why I'm questioning the bug :-)
[08:44] <subterrific> if you're digging around finding apps like aptitude or command line apps, you need to know how sudo works
[08:44] <subterrific> if you don't, you're protected
[08:45] <ish> tvon|x31: seems to be an incompatibility with -n and --no-desktop..
[08:45] <tvon|x31> ish:oh,heh
[08:45] <subterrific> phlaegel: you wouldn't want someone to run any random command line app and have it ask them for their user password to gain root access
[08:45] <tvon|x31> ish: well, if you want --no-desktop and no window to show up, what do you want to happen?
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: youre basically asking for nothing to happen
[08:46] <subterrific> very bad things can happen, there is a reason you have a limited number of setuid apps
[08:46] <ish> tvon|x31: need it running so when I click on the trash applet, or home..
[08:46] <ish> basically I'm running the panel in FVWM..
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: ahh, I see
[08:46] <ish> and I don't want a nautilus window everytime I login.
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: you cannot browse trash applet without nautilus running?
[08:47] <phlaegel> subterrific: irc can be a pain. I'm not sure that either of us are clear on the others' point, or on the bug :-)
[08:47] <tvon|x31> eg, it doesnt start nautilus with just a window?
[08:47] <phlaegel> subterrific: I'm only semi paying attention to irc anyway
[08:47] <ish> tvon|x31: it will start nautilus..  but then I lose my fvwm menus on the root window :(
[08:47] <ish> I'm OK without the panel..  Just thought it was kinda neat.
[08:48] <tvon|x31> ish: yeah, I see the problem now
[08:48] <tvon|x31> ish: you could set the gconf preferences to keep nautlius from taking the desktop
[08:49] <subterrific> phlaegel: i'm pretty sure i get what you're saying, but i don't think you have fully thought out the implications.
[08:50] <tvon|x31> ish: open up gconf-editor and goto apps->nautilus->preferences, and uncheck "show_desktop"
[08:51] <ish> tvon|x31: thats perfect.. Thanks.
[08:52] <tvon|x31> ish: np :)
[08:53] <matt2> When it says "Waiting for Headers" in apt-get, and it stays for quite some time until proceeding, is this due to my connection with the server? Are there any mirrors?
[08:54] <subterrific> mdz: i'll check the kern.log when i get to work tomorrow and update the bug
[08:55] <plovs_> subterrific, I filed the aptitude thing as a minor bug, as you say if you use it you *should* know better, it's more cosmetic
[08:55] <subterrific> mdz: i wish i had more details about what was going on, but its pretty tough when the system becomes completely unusable.
[08:56] <mdz> subterrific: I understand; it's equally tough for us, though, when we can't get more information about the problem
[08:56] <subterrific> plovs_: its more of a security thing. you would not want to give aptitude suid root
[08:57] <subterrific> mdz: yeah, the bug report was more just to let you and other users know that there is indeed a problem. up until the other guy chimed in i figured i was alone in having that issue.
[08:58] <plovs_> subterrific, agreed, the less suid the better, it should probably be wrapped in sudo or something, if you call it without sudo it should automattically use sudo
[08:59] <plovs_> subterrific, whatever, I still think ubuntu is the best debian-incarnaton I have seen :)
[09:01] <tvon|x31> Should I be able to run shell scripts by clicking on them in Nautilus in some way?
[09:01] <subterrific> plovs_: do you really think wrapping programs in sudo is a good idea? if a user just gets used to running applications and having them ask for a password, it would be trivial to deceive a user
[09:02] <subterrific> especially at a command line level
[09:02] <plovs_> subterrific, security is a pain isn't it? Maybe aptitude should just bork if uid<>0
[09:04] <WW> Britt: MATLAB is running in 2.6.  Hooray for the good guys!
[09:05] <WW> Britt: It printed some font errors, though.
[09:06] <WW> Does this message suggest anything:
[09:06] <WW> Font specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]
[09:07] <plovs_> speaking of security, why do I have four ports open 25,11,628,631 ? I am not a mail-server/relayhost.
[09:08] <Treenaks> plovs_: scanning from localhost, or remotely?
[09:08] <subterrific> those are all only listening locally
[09:09] <subterrific> or should be
[09:09] <plovs_> Treenaks, subterrific, an oeps is in order
[09:10] <subterrific> ?
[09:10] <plovs_> I scanned <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <plovs_> but if I scan 192.168... 111 is still open
[09:11] <subterrific> netstat --tcp --listening -p --numeric-ports
[09:11] <subterrific> run that as root
[09:12] <plovs_> subterrific, 111 runs on all ports <IP_ADDRESS>:111
[09:12] <Treenaks> that's portmap..
[09:12] <Treenaks> afaik
[09:12] <subterrific> hehe
[09:12] <subterrific> yes
[09:12] <subterrific> rpc
[09:13] <subterrific> its used to locate what port other services are running on
[09:13] <subterrific> famd requires it
[09:13] <Treenaks> instead of those services using well-known port numbers defined by IANA... aka /etc/services
[09:14] <plovs_> yes it was on the mailinglist, fam needs it open, is being worked on, no more questions then
[09:14] <Treenaks> which makes firewalling them _hard_
[09:14] <subterrific> yes, there is a replacement for fam to get around that requirement
[09:14] <plovs_> that will be in hoary?
[09:15] <subterrific> not sure, i only joined the mailing list today. haven't seen any discussion on it
[09:15] <plovs_> it was on sept 19
[09:15] <subterrific> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2004-June/msg00182.html
[09:16] <aj> anyone know where the warty Release.gpg key (0x437D05B5) is?
[09:16] <subterrific> plovs_: gamin might be too soon in its dev to make hoary
[09:17] <subterrific> june 2004 was its 0.0.1 release
[09:17] <Treenaks> is it possible to enable "Emacs-like" keybindings in Ubuntu? the selector from the "keyboard shortcuts" panel has disappeared
[09:17] <subterrific> looks very promising though
[09:18] <matt2> so uh.. I installed xfce4-themes via apt-get and I can't figure out where it installed the themes.. should be /usr/share/themes but it's not, can anyone help?
[09:19] <plovs_> subterrific, yes, it would enable selinux stuff in ubuntu
[09:19] <plovs_> matt2, dpkg -L xfce4-themes
[09:22] <matt2> plovs_: Oh wow.. is that a search I see?
[09:22] <matt2> I'm such a debian n00b
[09:22] <matt2> plovs_: can't thank you enough
[09:22] <plovs_> matt2, it list the contents of your installed package
[09:22] <subterrific> matt2: man dpkg    for more fun
[09:22] <plovs_> matt2, *very* handy when you lost stuff you just installed :)
[09:23] <matt2> cool, thanks guys.. didn't realize that dpkg was this type of application.. I've only used dpkg -i to install a couple .debs, not thinking about it much
[09:23] <|trey|> matt2: Pay peticular notice to "hold"  apt-listbugs and hold make a good combination at times  :)
[09:23] <matt2> plovs_: No kidding, thanks for the big pointer
[09:24] <matt2> |trey|: I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean
[09:25] <|trey|> matt2: join #debian-bots and type '!hold'
[09:26] <|trey|> The bots ignore you if you are not in an official Debian channel  :/
[09:26] <|trey|> #debian is cool too... cept thats not Ubuntu really...
[09:27] <leex30> Is ubuntu designed to easily upgrade from CD when the next release is out?  Would one have to reinstall the system?
[09:27] <Mithrandir> leex30: upgrades are supported, yes
[09:27] <jdub> leex30: from CD and 'net
[09:27] <|trey|> Ubuntu is Debian... but Debian is not Ubuntu, yeah, something like that  :)
[09:27] <|trey|> jdub: still keeping busy  8-)
[09:28] <matt2> I had no idea....
[09:28] <Treenaks> jdub: do you ever sleep?
[09:28] <aj> jdub: any idea where the warty Release.gpg key is?
[09:28] <Solkaris> what multimedia support like so far .. IE how hard is it to get DVD and MP3 Playback working
[09:28] <aj> jsub: (/misc/daily_signing_key.asc is a different one)
[09:28] <Mithrandir> aj! long time no see.
[09:28] <matt2> I figured out why my themes didn't install into /usr/share/themes.. haha xfce4-themes is a package of ICON themes.... =P
[09:28] <|trey|> aj: blah.... /etc/apt/list.sources tells you...
[09:29] <aj> i'm trying to upgrade from sarge to warty, i don't have an install yet
[09:29] <|trey|> If you know how to read it... man sources.list (I'm high, wrong way around)
[09:29] <ish> Is it possible to edit the 'Computer' menu?
[09:29] <|trey|> One is wrong at least  :/
[09:29] <jdub> aj: hrm, not sure. elmo or lamont would know.
[09:29] <jdub> Treenaks: i'm in .au.
[09:29] <jdub> aj: upgrades are going to hurt.
[09:30] <|trey|> ish: yes... it was configured somehow... I forget where the vfolder is that configures it though...
[09:30] <aj> jdub: pfft
[09:30] <aj> jdub: my last upgrade stopped me from being able to suspend or switch to VCs without crashing X, how much worse can this be?
[09:31] <|trey|> aj: 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted'
[09:31] <Solkaris> is there going to be a forum at some point like the GentooForums?
[09:31] <jdub> aj: it won't have all the lovely defaults or user experience, or... ;)
[09:31] <|trey|> universe at the end is sarges main without dublicates...
[09:31] <aj> jdub: err, my prefered desktop is four xterms :)
[09:32] <|trey|> jdub: if he chooses "manual package selection" then adds that... it should install your wonderful 2.8  :)
[09:32] <jdub> aj: one wonders if there's much of a point ;)
[09:32] <aj> trey: yes, but where do i get the key that signed http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release.gpg ?
[09:33] <aj> jdub: there's always the hope of ubuntu/dists/warty-security getting populated some day...
[09:33] <|trey|> aj: apt 0.6 is not in warty... thus there might not be one... perhaps try hoarty (or however its spelled...)
[09:33] <aj> hoary's empty, and Release.gpg's got a signature, and i've got a script for verifying them...
[09:33] <jdub> hoary doesn't exist yet :)
[09:33] <|trey|> aj: oh... I forget the question then?  :o
[09:34] <|trey|> Did I mention I smoked a bowl like 20 mins ago?
[09:34] <aj> |trey|: i want the pub key to validate the Release.gpg signature
[09:35] <Mithrandir> aj: I suggest you poke elmo when he wakes up.
[09:35] <|trey|> 0.6 is in Experimental... its pretty nice  :)  so is 2.8 (last I checked) ... experimental broke though, so I figured thats a bad idea  :(
[09:35] <aj> experimental broke?
[09:35] <|trey|> Ubuntu 2.8 is nicer though... more logical, and closer to how I like it  :)
[09:36] <|trey|> aj: [gasp]
[09:36] <aj> as in the packages in experimental broke, or..?
[09:36] <Mithrandir> aj: or you could poke Kamion, I think he might know and have access to get the key out.
[09:36] <fabbione> humpf..
[09:36] <leex30> So I can upgrade from sarge to ubuntu by putting 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted' in /etc/apt/sources.list and running 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[09:36] <|trey|> aj: it tends to do that if you don't pay attention to b.d.o
[09:36] <aj> kamion's same TZ as elmo isn't he?
[09:37] <|trey|> aj: even more likely due to less use  :(
[09:37] <fabbione> aj: yes, but they are around at different times usually
[09:37] <aj> leex30: the FAQ says to expect mayhem
[09:37] <|trey|> kinda got a lot of use outta reportbug though  :)
[09:37] <Mithrandir> aj: correctly, but that doesn't mean they're get up at the same time.
[09:37] <Mithrandir> aj: (UK is 0837 atm)
[09:37] <topyli> |trey|: well, that's why i have ubuntu now in the first place: experimental 2.8 killed my cat ;)
[09:38] <leex30> I'm hoping to get my printer/scanner to work.  That's my real test..
[09:39] <|trey|> topyli: When something breaks, I usually try new distro's that I have been meaning to test usually... works out... tryed Fedora for a while... and then went to Debian again before finding Ubuntu... looked like a nice GNOME... so here I am  8-)
[09:39] <topyli> leex30: ouch. a multi-function device... good luck :)
[09:40] <matt2> my printer worked out of the box.. crazy enough
[09:40] <leex30> the hp psc1210 worked great for a while.. then it stopped working altogether
[09:40] <matt2> though I don't have the correct drivers yet.. it gets the job done for now though
[09:40] <|trey|> (mainly the trash applet and the 'computer' menu is why I'm here... I hate icons on my desktop  :(
[09:40] <topyli> |trey|: excactly. i upgrade to experimental when in reality i just want to check out the new mandrake or whatever :)
[09:41] <|trey|> topyli: blah... I don't like Mandrake  :(
[09:41] <matt2> Mandrake is not cool =(
[09:41] <ish> I just came from Mandrake - guess I didn't like it enough :)
[09:41] <|trey|> usually new Suse and Red Hat (Suse recently cuz of what Novell is doing... mainly so I am familier with what I will see in Enterprises)
[09:41] <matt2> ubuntu is the bees knees for sure
[09:42] <aj> jdub: (when's planet ubuntu happening anyway? i wanna see elmo blogging)
[09:42] <matt2> like gentoo alot too but things tend to break and I hate compile times =(
[09:42] <|trey|> Ubuntu's GNOME is... yes... but with GNOME's release manager at the helm, its bound to be pretty good  :)
[09:42] <topyli> mandrake is great. it saved me from redhat 6. then debian saved me from rpm altogether.
[09:42] <leex30> so will every ubuntu release be strictly free software?
[09:42] <Treenaks> suse 9.1's gnome sucks
[09:42] <|trey|> Debian is the $hit though... best package management around... nice combo  :)
[09:43] <|trey|> Fedora's prettiness + Debian's technical aspects = perfection  :)
[09:43] <topyli> s/perfection/ubuntu =)
[09:43] <|trey|> IMHO
[09:43] <|trey|> topyli: kinda my point... but thats down the road  8-)
[09:43] <|trey|> You can see it starting... but its not quite there yet  :)
[09:44] <matt2> anyone know the package name for xfce4 gtk2 themes?
[09:44] <|trey|> (like the different look to the boot process [ok]  etc...
[09:44] <|trey|> matt2: umm... you're gonna kick yourself...
[09:44] <|trey|> apt-get install gtk2-xfce-themes
[09:45] <ish> hmm, why did I think ubuntu could not playback mp3s...
[09:45] <|trey|> matt2: apt-cache show xfce4 in the future if you forget  ;)
[09:45] <|trey|> ish: because Fedora can't  :(
[09:45] <matt2> hahah.. thanks man. I was searching xfce4, that was my problem
[09:45] <|trey|> Debian can though  8-)
[09:46] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:46] <fabbione> pitti: is it normal (after your changes) that gpg still bitches about "insecure memory"
[09:46] <pitti> Morning fabbione
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: ugh, no
[09:46] <|trey|> matt2: xfce4 is in universe afaik
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: my latest changes remove the suid bit completely
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: but you need the latest kernel crack for that
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: uname -a?
[09:47] <ish> rhythmbox isn't bad either..
[09:47] <fabbione> <IP_ADDRESS>-2-686
[09:47] <fabbione> pitti: i will check again
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: hmm, this should be correct
[09:47] <matt2> it totally is.. I had to saerch xfce NOT xfce4 to see this though
[09:47] <fabbione> pitti: probably i installed the kernel and didn't reboot
[09:47] <|trey|> ish: Rhythmbox is nice... I kinda wish it was Helix or Mplayer in resticted though...
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: gpg does work correctly with this kernel at my box
[09:48] <pitti> fabbione: you leave your computer on over night?
[09:48] <ish> Until I get tvout working - I have no use for mplayer...
[09:48] <|trey|> pitti: you don't?
[09:48] <ish> And I have a feeling that won't happen .
[09:48] <|trey|> ish: new purpose: cliphunter.com
[09:48] <pitti> |trey|: of course not. It wastes energy
[09:49] <|trey|> pitti: but you feel a lot better for it  8-)
[09:49] <pitti> |trey|: feel better about what?
[09:49] <ish> hmm.. I think I can assume firefox won't be getting updated before release..
[09:50] <|trey|> Ubuntu should include Garret Lesages "Industrial Theme for Firefox" as seen on www.planetnovell.org
[09:50] <pitti> fabbione: if you did not reboot, uname -a should print an older version
[09:50] <|trey|> It fits in better with the desktop... if he will let you  :)
[09:50] <ish> |trey|: is mplayer in universe?
[09:51] <|trey|> ish: no... apt-get.org search "w32codecs"... get the source listing marillat...
[09:51] <WW> I have a program (Maple) that is looking for the shared library  libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2.  Am I going to be able to get this working in Ubuntu?
[09:51] <|trey|> Christian Marillat rules... such a kind DD  :)
[09:51] <ish> Hmm.. Thats usually how my RPM distros get borked - 3rd party RPMS.
[09:52] <|trey|> ish: Marilatt is a DD... Debian Developer... trustworthy... apt-get.org sources are varified for competence...
[09:52] <Tomcat_> I try to get used to compile myself what is missing... I don't like installing other debs...
[09:53] <|trey|> mentors.debian.net is a good place for source too...
[09:53] <ish> |trey|: thanks for the tip.
[09:53] <|trey|> its the only deb-src source repo I use...
[09:53] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we're looking at including the mplayer .debs from Marilliat somewhere easy to get to.
[09:54] <ish> does linux support tvout on any laptops?
[09:54] <|trey|> Mithrandir: should be in Universe... you already state its not supported... not supported = not responsible...
[09:54] <Mithrandir> |trey|: yes, that's probably where it'll end up.
[09:54] <|trey|> Blackdown java should maybe be considered too imo...
[09:54] <Mithrandir> ish: used to support my old IBM thinkpad T21 just fine
[09:55] <|trey|> With Suns text of course...
[09:55] <|trey|> The user still has to do what Sun wants... and all parties are happy  :)
[09:55] <jdub> aj: this week :)
[09:56] <|trey|> Ubuntu = perfection with that... but they are things that aren't necissary  :)
[09:56] <aj> jdub: sweet
[09:57] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we're looking at some way of shipping such software, yes.
[09:57] <fabbione> pitti: i can't remember :-)
[09:57] <|trey|> Right now... without splash screens... and without Mplayer or Blackdown... its still very very nice  :)
[09:57] <fabbione> pitti: it's not like i reboot on a daily base
[09:57] <|trey|> even if you recommend sudo  ;)
[09:58] <Mithrandir> |trey|: warty lacks a bit of polish, but its fundament is very solid, and I'm _very_ happy how far we've gotten so far.
[09:59] <aj> its "fundament"?
[09:59] <plovs_> despite the name, i think it is on of the most stable beta's i have ever used
[09:59] <|trey|> Mithrandir: yes... I noticed where things will be with boot process etc... looked at hoary plans though  :)
[09:59] <topyli> |trey|: what's wrong with sudo? it's the best. i haven't been root for ages :)
[09:59] <|trey|> aj: raw or base pretty much... thats how you can read it anyway...
[10:00] <|trey|> topyli: I dunno... I like thinking I am god  :(
[10:00] <plovs_> will ubuntu add something like parallel startup processes to update startup-times?
[10:00] <aj> |trey|: "The part of the body on which one sits"
[10:00] <|trey|> sudo sounds good for business.. but home use... I am god... I want gods rights  :)
[10:01] <topyli> |trey|: you can think your user 'trey' as elevated to demigod status with sudo :)
[10:01] <|trey|> aj: I knew that... couldn't word it  :)
[10:01] <|trey|> demigod is not god  :(
[10:01] <|trey|> demigods don't live in gods world  :(
[10:01] <|trey|> They are posers  8-)
[10:01] <topyli> demigods do god business in userland. it's cooler
[10:01] <subterrific> |trey|: where do you see flash-mozilla?
[10:02] <|trey|> subterrific: in universe...
[10:02] <|trey|> goes at the end of the line stating 'deb' in sources.list...
[10:02] <subterrific> |trey|: not seeing it...you sure it isn't being pulled in from some other repos you added?
[10:02] <|trey|> (all for of them if you did a default install)
[10:03] <plovs_> |trey|, i don't have it either
[10:03] <|trey|> subterrific: pretty sure  :/
[10:03] <subterrific> |trey|: check again
[10:03] <|trey|> enless its in Marillats source... or where I get Java...
[10:03] <|trey|> subterrific: blah... prolly in the java source...
[10:03] <|trey|> I have it though  :(
[10:03] <plovs_> |trey|, it's not in Marillats
[10:04] <plovs_> |trey|, what java-source do you have?
[10:04] <|trey|> plovs_: I think I saw it in there... I think thats why I reminded my self to use the source I did rather then the other Java sources... the one that states "student"...
[10:04] <subterrific> |trey|: i see swf-player, is that you're talking about?
[10:05] <|trey|> deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
[10:05] <plovs_> |trey|, nope ain't there...
[10:05] <|trey|> subterrific: nope... sure its flash-mozilla...
[10:05] <WW> Easy question: How do I get nautilus (or whatever else is easiest) to burn an iso to CD?  I usually used k3b B.U. (Before Ubuntu).
[10:06] <plovs_> WW, right-click - burn to cd
[10:07] <|trey|> WW: I use cdrecord... for iso's... (2.6) cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=24 --data blah.iso... for music... I think its --audio
[10:07] <plovs_> WW, if your burner allows it, I checked allow overburning in configuration-editor
[10:07] <subterrific> is anyone aware of an application that makes it very easy to encrypt files (with gpg perhaps?). bonus points if it integrates with nautilus
[10:07] <|trey|> WW: replace --speed=with about 1/2 of your cdrw's write speed for best results...
[10:07] <Mithrandir> subterrific: seahorse?
[10:08] <topyli> WW: you can of course still use k3b if you want to install all the libraries :)
[10:08] <subterrific> Mithrandir: thx
[10:08] <Mithrandir> subterrific: I've never used it, but it's the frontend for GPG for GNOME
[10:08] <|trey|> Mithrandir: seahourse?
[10:08] <WW> plovs_: I did something like that the first time, but it just copied the file to the CD, and didn't create the image.  I'll try again.
[10:08] <|trey|> Mithrandir: nm
[10:09] <plovs_> WW, use an rw just in case ;)
[10:09] <|trey|> WW: what I said with --data works for iso's... if you want to use cli
[10:09] <topyli> WW: that's how i burned my ubuntu cd, so it worked in gnome 2.6 at least :)
[10:10] <WW> I'd like to get the hang of this groovy new Gnome GUI.
[10:10] <|trey|> (cdrecord dev=device --speed=blah --data some.iso
[10:10] <|trey|> I usually end up with an iso on the disc like you... cdrecord does it how I want  :/
[10:11] <topyli> we need a gtk2 version of xcdroast
[10:12] <WW> The right-click trick worked.  I think I screwed up the first time because when I put the blank CD in, an empty window popped up, so I just drag-n-dropped the ISO into it, and wrote to disk.
[10:12] <|trey|> never used that either  :/
[10:12] <|trey|> I just learned that they all use cdrecord... so I did what the pretty gui made it hard to do  :/
[10:12] <plovs_> is it possible to have a shortcut to eject a cd?
[10:12] <topyli> and we need "burn playlist to audio cd" in rhythmbox :)
[10:13] <plovs_> a shortcut-key that is?
[10:14] <|trey|> topyli: can't say as though I play much music files... mainly just listen to shoutcast playlists... I reinstall too much  :/
[10:14] <topyli> plovs_: bind "eject" to any key?
[10:14] <topyli> |trey|: put all your oggs to your /home/porn partition :)
[10:14] <topyli> and save that over install
[10:14] <subterrific> topyli: or a burn directory/selected files as audio cd in nautilus
[10:14] <joebeastie> are you able to restart the xfree configure tool?
[10:14] <|trey|> topyli: or set that cdrecord key to ctrl+b(burn)  :)
[10:14] <aj> topyli: /srv/porn would be more FHS :)
[10:14] <topyli> subterrific: yes
[10:15] <|trey|> topyli: /home/fearl/movies/porn  ;)
[10:15] <topyli> |trey|: there you go. put that on a partition of its own and save all your oggs there as well :)
[10:15] <joebeastie> encountered a weird bug. my laptop is defaulting to 640x480.
[10:15] <seb128> morning
[10:16] <|trey|> topyli: blah... can't ever get p2p software to work  :(
[10:16] <topyli> aj: of course! we want our porn to be fhs compliant!
[10:16] <|trey|> hence shoutcast...
[10:17] <|trey|> ogg = no one owns the file... legal to distribute  :)
[10:17] <|trey|> CEPT NO ONE LISTENS TO RAP AND USES OGG  :(
[10:17] <topyli> just rip cds from the library or something
[10:17] <|trey|> Libraries don't carry good hip hop  :(
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: no, they want music that survives more than two weeks ;)
[10:18] <|trey|> like about 30?
[10:18] <subterrific> what is good hip hop these days?
[10:18] <|trey|> subterrific: anything with Dre's name on it...
[10:18] <plovs_> topyli, thanks
[10:19] <subterrific> heh
[10:19] <topyli> led zeppelin
[10:19] <|trey|> topyli: he said good hip hop... last I heard, led zepplin doesn't qualify as hip hop  :)
[10:20] <topyli> yeah but he had two questions: "good" and "hip hop". i could only answer one at a time =)
[10:20] <subterrific> |trey|: led zepplin would make pretty good background music for hiphop though. their heavier stuff at least
[10:20] <topyli> sure. didn't someone use kashmir?
[10:20] <subterrific> that was horrible
[10:20] <subterrific> don't ever bring that up again
[10:21] <topyli> oh no. will smith! :=
[10:21] <|trey|> subterrific: Eminem, G-Unit (entire crew - 50 Cent, Young Buck, Lloyd Banks, Tony Yayo), D12, The Game...
[10:21] <topyli> no it wasn't. who was it
[10:21] <subterrific> |trey|: i think you and i will have to agree to disagree on what good hip hop is
[10:21] <tcurdt> hi, guys ...don't wanna interupt the music discussion :-) ...but is there a package list for ubuntu?
[10:21] <|trey|> subterrific: would sound like ICP, Doomsday Productions, or Kotten Mouth Kings  :)
[10:22] <tcurdt> or even searchable? like packages.debian.org
[10:22] <subterrific> |trey|: blackalicious?
[10:22] <|trey|> subterrific: good = popular.... chill hip hop is Dialated Peoples, Pharcyde... Alkaholics... Jaru...
[10:23] <|trey|> blackalicious is ok... Jurasic 5 and The Roots are better :)
[10:23] <|trey|> Pretty much anything outta LA...
[10:23] <topyli> tcurdt: i haven't seen one :(
[10:23] <subterrific> good is not popular, popular is what sells because its played over and over and over again
[10:24] <|trey|> good = sells the most units... at least to most people...
[10:24] <topyli> subterrific: what sells is popular, that much is safe to say :)
[10:25] <|trey|> Success is measured by how much you sell... can't be fore everyone though
[10:25] <|trey|> for*
[10:25] <topyli> |trey|: that makes windows 98 better than debian :)
[10:25] <subterrific> i'd put blackalicious on the same level as jurassic 5, the roots are amazing as always but i don't hear them doing anything new
[10:25] <|trey|> topyli: absolutly nothing... but some would argue for NT though...
[10:25] <topyli> it has sold more
[10:26] <subterrific> |trey|: so by that measure titanic is the best movie of all time, and the backstreet boys are better than any hiphop artist in existance
[10:26] <topyli> yes!
[10:26] <|trey|> There is evidence XP is the most used Windows OS... followed by 98, then 2000... you have to think of time frame...
[10:26] <topyli> hmm. is there so much xp already?
[10:26] <subterrific> no
[10:26] <|trey|> subterrific: to the general public yes... trying to be none-personal...
[10:27] <|trey|> I wouldn't chill to it... but its "good"...
[10:27] <rburton> the, recent Roots sucks imho
[10:27] <topyli> hmm. will ubuntu be sold in cardboard boxes?
[10:27] <Tomcat_> topyli: I can't look around my friends without seeing XP everywhere...
[10:27] <|trey|> One decent hit... rest of the CD isn't that  great...
[10:28] <|trey|> the track they released was catchy...
[10:28] <topyli> Tomcat_: dunno, i see most windows at work and they have mostly win2k.
[10:28] <|trey|> Never heard of him?  :(
[10:28] <|trey|> D&B is cool too... listen to a lot of Techno... some Metal... mostly Rap though  :)
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: hey I discovered meld does SVN while going over a Catalan translation.
[10:29] <daniels> |trey|: DJ Format is some pretty good chilled rap
[10:29] <rburton> jordi: it does?
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: dude the package description should tell us about it a bit more prominently
[10:29] <rburton> rburton: man i suck :)
[10:29] <daniels> s/is/has/
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: yeh
[10:30] <jordi> rburton: it's pretty cool. My coworkers liked it and quickly dumped rapidsvn.
[10:30] <subterrific> |trey|, rburton: have you heard madvillain?
[10:30] <rburton> hm, nope
[10:30] <subterrific> pretty good recent hip hop
[10:30] <|trey|> subterrific: no  :(
[10:30] <rburton> jordi: sweet
[10:31] <|trey|> subterrific: not really been keeping up with underground.. no time  :(
[10:31] <|trey|> Most of what I hear is in clubs, or on Audio1.net...
[10:31] <subterrific> |trey|: i think if any of those bands you named were backed by as much publicity as pop music, they would reach the same level of popularity. outkast proved that
[10:32] <|trey|> subterrific: each of the artists I named have been at #1 in the last year...
[10:32] <jordi> ow
[10:32] <|trey|> Like I said, based on my Criterion... anything that goes through Dre is gold right now...
[10:32] <subterrific> |trey|: i mean blackalicious, j5, etc...
[10:32] <|trey|> Actually... at least Platinum...
[10:33] <topyli> heh
[10:33] <Tomcat_> topyli: I have a totally trashy and old Laptop... but while 90% of students run WinXP, I run Debian... so nobody says anything about the machine :D
[10:33] <subterrific> thats because he is backed by major label money, he's got their blessing
[10:33] <topyli> the Dre industry
[10:33] <|trey|> subterrific: oh... definatly j5... don't really like blackalicious... same mould as (some afrikan name)
[10:33] <subterrific> there are 4 record labels that control what is popular, you can't argue that
[10:33] <topyli> Tomcat_: the debian disguise for a crappy machine =)
[10:34] <subterrific> sony, emi, umg, wmg
[10:34] <Tomcat_> :P
[10:34] <|trey|> Brand Nubian
[10:35] <Tomcat_> A friend gave me a noname network card as a present for the laptop... Windows refused to run it with *any* driver, because none was perfectly matching...
[10:35] <|trey|> ahh... that doesn't sound african... don't think thats what I was thinking  :(
[10:35] <Tomcat_> Installed Debian... "Hey no problem it's RTL8139 anyway, there you go!"
[10:36] <|trey|> Tomcat_: the joys of having the drivers around all the time  :)
[10:36] <xealous> does anyone have the sources for the amd64 version of ubuntu? (i'm using debian's amd64 port currently)
[10:36] <topyli> Tomcat_: we have about 50 researches with desktops and laptops. about a dozen have mac, and about five have linux. these people need no support at all. the rest are win2k and they keep the support guys busy. the machines are of course all the same harware :)
[10:36] <|trey|> XP driver support pails in comparison today...
[10:37] <Tomcat_> lol :]
[10:37] <|trey|> Not to mention Linux supports about 10 more archs... so yeah, you get the idea  :)
[10:38] <subterrific> |trey|: yeah, win xp has no wireless lan support....oh wait
[10:38] <|trey|> subterrific: blah... my Ubuntu is wireless  :/
[10:38] <Treenaks> topyli: the same hardware for mac and XP? :)
[10:38] <Treenaks> topyli: so is mine..
[10:39] <|trey|> Treenaks: you can... technically... in some cases... especially PCI...
[10:39] <topyli> Treenaks: uhhh... not the macs :)
[10:40] <|trey|> And also Firewire...
[10:40] <|trey|> topyli: blah... PCI is the same on most archs... not sure if linux supports PCI-X or whatever../
[10:40] <Treenaks> topyli: well, the cpu tends to be quite different ;) but I understand..
[10:41] <topyli> the macs are great. there's only one user who needs constant support, but that's just one of the professors breaking ms office all the time :)
[10:41] <|trey|> Treenaks: exactly... everything else is the same for the most part  :)
[10:41] <|trey|> topyli: Macs rule... I just wish I could afford one  :/
[10:42] <|trey|> Even an eMac would do my just fine  :/
[10:42] <|trey|> s/my/me/
[10:42] <topyli> i do like the laptops.
[10:42] <Treenaks> I'm saving money for a new laptop.. but it probably isn't going to be a mac
[10:42] <|trey|> My school has G5's, I wanna play  :(
[10:43] <topyli> put debian on them at night!
[10:43] <Mithrandir> macs have too few mouse buttons. ;)
[10:43] <|trey|> topyli: I'm waiting for what they come up with for the G5...
[10:43] <Lowe> why the hell does all linux users like mac's i personally think macs suck
[10:43] <|trey|> topyli: via Fink of course...
[10:44] <|trey|> Lowe: what sucks about them?
[10:44] <TerminX> Lowe: I think a lot of Linux users are of the "anything but Microsoft" mindset
[10:44] <rburton> Lowe: mainly good design and good hardware
[10:44] <subterrific> |trey|: as a mac user since 87, i think i can safely say, you aren't missing much
[10:44] <topyli> macs work. the cheap pc hardware i'm always byuing is what sucks
[10:44] <TerminX> I too think Apple sucks
[10:44] <topyli> so its a hardware thing
[10:44] <TerminX> Overpriced, undercompatible shit IMO