[12:01] <Greyztar> hello,my server seems to log some popularity contest something is this ubuntu stuff i may turn off?
[12:08] <Greyztar> google to the rescue,so its a package ,however if i purge it also ubuntu-standard package gets removed,is it safe to remove?Dealing with small resources so everything i dont need i want to remove (,")
[12:13] <blackflow> Greyztar: what package is tha?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> !info popularity-contest
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> might be this
[12:14] <Greyztar> blackflow: popularity-contest is the actual package,but it depends on ubuntu-standard which also gets remove seems its a meta-package
[12:16] <Greyztar> blackflow: you think its safe to remove?Have to admit i dont know what a meta-package is google says a sort of master list of packages
[12:24] <blackflow> Greyztar: a meta-package is virtual dependency that pulls in other packages. It's to group packages around certain functionality so that you pull in one and it pulls in whatever else is needed to fulfill that functionality. there are some other uses as well.
[12:24] <blackflow> Greyztar: you don't have to uninstall it. Edit /etc/popularity-contest.conf and set  PARTICIPATE="no". That's the default anyway.
[12:24] <Greyztar> blackflow: thanks for the informations and help :)
[12:25] <blackflow> yw
[12:29] <blackflow> hrm I don't recall ubuntu installer ever asking me to enable popcon. frankly I thought that was a debian thing only.
[12:31] <Greyztar> blackflow: its a preinstalled cloud vm so gets all the goodies i guess hehe
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: is that standard in -server too?
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> or is it because Greyztar installed ubuntu-desktop?
[12:58] <Greyztar> lotuspsychje: im using server,but its most likely due to it being a preinstalled vm from cloud provider im guessing :)
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> on ubuntu desktop, its a welcome screen where the user has the choice to send or not
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> so that would be real weird server has this installed by default, without a choice?
[13:00] <Greyztar> i think ive seen that too,its not installed on my main server and dont recall getting prompted for it other than my Debian installs
[13:01] <Greyztar> its a preconfigured/install image or so at a cloud provider,so its not a vanilla install
[13:09] <blackflow> the package is installed by default yes, depended on by ubuntu-standard. But submission is disabled by default.
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx 4 confirm blackflow
[13:09] <blackflow> PARTICIPATE="no" is default. And I don't remember Ubuntu ever asking me to enable it, like Debian installer does.
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: so server gives the choice at install somewhere?
[13:10] <blackflow> dunno, I've been installing servers with debootstrap for long time now. Tried subiquity few months ago, but I don't recall it asking.
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-report
[13:13] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: I don't think _installing_ it is a choice, as it's a hard dep of ubuntu-standard. If anything is a choice, it's whether it's enabled, post installation, via /etc/popularity-contest.conf
[13:13] <blackflow> yeah, buntu-report is different, that's hardware metrics. popcon is software installation ("popularity") metric.
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah thought they were different
[13:21] <Greyztar> being that its default off ill think i want to send a mail to my cloud provider asking how come they enabled it
[13:27] <Greyztar> any recommendation on services or so i could turn off to save resources?My server is hosting a few lxc containers and running tor service and thats it
[13:29] <Greyztar> also im using zram =)
[13:42] <Greyztar> is there any other way than systemctl status to find currently running services?
[13:43] <blackflow> `ps axuf` will show you running processes
[13:43] <Greyztar> thank you blackflow
[13:46] <blackflow> as for turning off services, by default installing ubuntu-server will only run with most minimally required services. whatever your hosting company does, is out of scope of support here, we have no way of knowing.
[13:49] <Greyztar> yeah i figured,i sort of answered my own question when started digging into what services i had running,next time ill start out with a normal install instead of preconfigure something ,though with your command i found an openvpn server i didnt need anymore so some resources gained hehe
[13:59] <Greyztar> so weird ,their telling me popularity-contest is enabled upstreams,though my home server is same Ubuntu 18.04 and its not enabled,time to start migrating to another provider maybe
[15:43] <blackflow> Anyone knows if it's possible to track TCP stream retries on the server side? I'd like to run some statistics about retried packets per client IP address for, say, all TCP flows to/from port 443
[15:43] <blackflow> I know you can do it if the application supports it (like iperf), but I need this application-independent, perhaps at the iptables or some other in-kernel accountancy level
[15:58] <blackflow> I suppose I could whip up a script around ss -o option
[18:20] <noregret> I woke up with ubuntu server 18.04 unreachable, I had to up -> down its interface for it to connect again. I looked at syslog and found out when it stopped connecting to the internet but i don't know what happened, how can I troublshoot this further?
[18:34] <compdoc> you have access to the console, then
[18:37] <noregret> compdoc: yes I do
[18:37] <noregret> that's how I down/up the interface
[18:39] <compdoc> syslog can mean a couple things. have you looked thru other logs. the server was continuing to operate normally?
[18:39] <compdoc> no reboots?
[18:40] <patdk-lap> doesn't say anything about if dhcp failed
[18:41] <noregret> compdoc: i actually just checked /var/log/syslog and dmesg, and yeah it operated normally after an interface down/up
[18:42] <noregret> patdk-lap: it has a static ip set in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml
[18:42] <patdk-lap> oh netplan
[18:42] <compdoc> is it an intel nic?
[18:43] <noregret> compdoc: not sure, it stays e1000e in dmesg
[18:43] <noregret> says*
[18:43] <noregret> (this is an old laptop)
[18:44] <noregret> yeah intel I guess
[18:45] <noregret> btw, I was copying data to it from a windows machine using sftp, and when the operation stopped, and it coudln't connect to the server, i knew something was wrong
[18:45] <compdoc> I have no idea if its related, but recently a server had been running normally, suddenly started dropping connections to VMs running inside. I had to move one vm to run directly on hareware to make it work
[18:46] <compdoc> could have happened after an update
[18:46] <noregret> weird
[18:46] <compdoc> *hardware
[18:47] <compdoc> or, it could be the 2-port intel nic was dying
[18:47] <noregret> https://bpaste.net/show/3efb8cf8d4b6 - i see this in dmesg, is it normal?
[18:48] <noregret> I thought docker might responsible, but i'm not running any containers, so i was looking for a way to stop it
[18:48] <noregret> couldn't find one yet, it doesn't have a daemon in systemd
[18:49] <noregret> I recall I chose it to be available during ubuntu install, but I don't remember the details


[00:29] <tsimonq2> sethj: my sleep schedule is already messed up so I talk to him on a daily basis, need me to pass a message?
[00:29] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:32] <sethj> tsimonq2, I
[00:33] <sethj> It's something I should really discuss with him "face to face", I think.
[00:33] <sethj> About a post of his on Ask Ubuntu
[00:34] <sethj> Thanks for the offer though, tsimonq2!
[00:37] <tsimonq2> no problem :)
[00:37] <tsimonq2> memoserv?
[07:12] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[07:13] <Kilos> hi davidcalle
[07:13] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:14] <svij> morning all
[10:57] <dpm> o/
[11:06] <Kilos> o/
[16:05] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!
[16:59] <pleia2> mhall119: are you involved with fossetcon this year? wondering if they have any dates floating around
[17:02] <mhall119> pleia2: the only thing I've heard about fossetcon is rumor that it's not happening
[17:03] <pleia2> mhall119: that's a sad rumor
[17:03] <mhall119> yeah, but nobody's heard from Bryan
[17:04] <pleia2> in general giant corporation form, they're asking us for our list of conferences not only for the rest of 2016, but now for 2017 too
[17:05] <pleia2> 2017, I can't plan that far ahead!
[17:05]  * mhall119 can barely plan ahead for 2016
[17:05] <pleia2> it's been a struggle
[17:06] <mhall119> I'll be quite sad if fossetcon goes away, it was nice having a conference that didn't require getting on a plane
[17:07] <pleia2> I hear that
[17:35] <jcastro> man
[17:35] <jcastro> I had this crazy dream
[17:35] <jcastro> where we were moving to mediawiki
[17:35] <jcastro> and then I woke up and it was true
[17:36] <pleia2> lol
[17:36] <pleia2> gg, caused mhall to quit
[18:01] <mhall119> jose: pleia2: can one of you edit http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/06/20/ubuntu-membership-board-call-for-nominations-4/, July 1st is a Friday not a Monday
[18:01] <pleia2> good grief, that announceemnt will be the death of me
[18:01] <jose> sure, on it
[18:02] <pleia2> jose: already fixed
[18:02] <pleia2> I still haven't gotten a straight answer from the membership board about whether I should re-add the 1200 board
[18:02] <pleia2> s/board/timeslot
[18:02]  * pleia2 emails them again
[18:02] <Kilos> oops sorry
[18:02] <jose> oh ok :)
[18:03] <Kilos> didnt know you were going to remove it
[18:03] <mhall119> thanks pleia2
[18:04] <pleia2> Kilos: belkinsa asked me to remove it
[18:05] <Kilos> the actual 12.00 slot?
[18:05] <Kilos> didnt you see mails from elacheche and i
[18:05] <pleia2> yes: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2016-June/002498.html
[18:06] <pleia2> I only saw an email from ANIS El Achèche who had a personal recommendation
[18:06] <Kilos> i wonder where mine went
[18:07] <pleia2> I don't know, just checked my spam folder, not there either
[18:07] <Kilos> mind went to the membership board
[18:07] <pleia2> I'm not on the membership board
[18:07] <Kilos> whats the email addy to you guys please
[18:08] <Kilos> ill forward it to you as well
[18:08] <pleia2> "you guys"? the news team?
[18:08] <pleia2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:09] <Kilos> did cheches mail go there or to a council
[18:09] <pleia2> cheches?
[18:09] <Kilos> elacheche
[18:09] <pleia2> after my last email to the news list, it started just going to elacheche, popey, belkinsa, me and the membership board
[18:10] <pleia2> I need to get back to work :\ please just email me know what the board needs
[18:10] <pleia2> and I recommend collaboratively editing announcements like this in an etherpad before they are sent next time
[18:10] <Kilos> mailing it now to news team
[18:10] <pleia2> thanks
[18:11] <Kilos> np
[18:11] <Kilos> sorry you didnt get it
[18:20] <pleia2> trying to submit the funding request for ubucon EU to my employer, but the site is not loading most of the assets so it's really ugly :\
[18:21] <pleia2> will there be a time when this site is reliable? it looks really bad to submit it to a major company like t his
[18:21] <pleia2> (the last time I tried to do this the site was down entirely)
[18:21] <svij> oh man
[18:21] <svij> not this again :(
[18:22] <svij> worked earlier today though (I know that doesn't help)
[18:22] <pleia2> there's no telling when the review committee will look at this, so it would be good if this was stable for more than just a few days
[18:23] <svij> dpm: jose: see above, any ideas?
[18:24] <pleia2> since it's not loading the CSS we end up with things like this right now: http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-europe/speakers/
[18:24] <pleia2> HUGE images, I can't submit like this
[18:24] <svij> yep :/
[18:25] <jose> loads for me in mobile... won't get home till later
[18:25] <svij> with or without css?
[18:25] <svij> it loads the content, just without css and stuff
[18:26] <popey> loads fine here.
[18:26] <jose> and there's no way to force desktop layout here
[18:26] <jose> with css
[18:26] <svij> huh
[18:26] <svij> now it works
[18:26] <jose> ... I didn't touch anything
[18:26] <Kilos> pleia2 broke it
[18:27]  * Kilos ducks
[18:27] <svij> we fixed it by complaining. If we just can fix all our problems with that… :D
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <popey> Good work everyone!
[18:27] <pleia2> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://assets.ubuntu.com/
[18:27] <popey> 🙌
[18:27] <pleia2> still down for me
[18:27] <pleia2> and that random down checking website
[18:28] <popey> how odd
[18:28] <popey> move your office to london :)
[18:28] <pleia2> I give up for now, I'll try next week
[18:28] <popey> wonder if it's a dns thing
[18:30] <pleia2> on the bright side, ubuntu.com also uses assets.ubuntu.com, so it's not just ubucon.org that looks horrible right now, maybe that means it'll get some attention :)
[18:30] <svij> popey: the css is not on assets.ubuntu.com
[18:30] <svij> err
[18:30] <svij> pleia2 -^
[18:30] <pleia2> svij: ah, some of it is loading now, but not the stuff from assets.u.c
[18:30] <svij> assets.ubuntu.com gives me a Forbidden
[18:31] <pleia2> footer is still all broken, as is the search bar
[18:31] <svij> strange
[18:31]  * popey pokes canonical sysadmin
[18:32] <jose> I'll ping IS
[18:32] <popey> i just did
[18:32] <jose> ah, looks like popey is on it
[18:32] <jose> being mobile makes me slowwww
[18:32] <popey> hehe
[18:32] <svij> ah, now it's broken for me too again
[18:32]  * popey posts packets to jose
[18:33] <pleia2> svij: yeah, it seems to be going in and out for me now
[18:33] <jose> speaking of which, I got a holidays card from December in March
[18:33] <svij> yeah, some reloads works some not
[18:58] <Kilos> popey are you following the thread about the 12.00 time slot?
[18:58] <Kilos> i know you are on lunch atthat time
[18:59] <Kilos> and peeps in my timezone are at work as its around 3 pm
[19:04] <popey> I'm usually around at that time
[19:13] <Kilos> well we can keep it imo. you elachche and i can make it so we need one more then we will have quorum
[19:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <pleia2> I'll just edit one of the other SVGs that includes it, but I can get the *Windows* logo as its own pictogram, but not the Ubuntu one? http://design.ubuntu.com/downloads /o\
[19:37] <knome> haha
[19:38] <popey> pleia2: is ubucon working for you now?
[19:38] <pleia2> popey: no, and that design.ubuntu.com isn't either, because same reason
[19:39] <pleia2> I've given up on that and moved on to complaining about other things
[19:39] <popey> heh
[19:40] <knome> ++
[20:09] <dpm> pleia2, svij, someone has just mentioned here that assets.ubuntu.com was down for a bit this afternoon, affecting all sites that use the ubuntu web guidelines (ubucon.org and developer.u.c being two of them)
[20:09]  * dpm is at a sprint today )
[20:14] <popey> dpm: IS are on it
[20:15] <dpm> thanks popey
[20:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:22] <popey> yo
[20:26] <czajkowski> popey: howdy doody
[21:12] <popey> Welp, that didn't take long. Spammers have started joining the wiki-editors team https://launchpad.net/~ffcgdft
[21:13] <czajkowski> :s
[21:16] <mhall119> popey: joining or requesting to join?
[21:16] <mhall119> lol, he's created a quickbooka PPA, look at that
[21:17] <popey> requesting
[21:17] <mhall119> I thought you had to sign the CoC before you could create a PPA, has that changed?
[21:17] <popey> i think so
[21:18] <mhall119> love the PPA description, so informative
[21:21] <czajkowski> popey: staying up to follow the election ?
[21:21]  * mhall119 wonders how often "Should I stay or should I go" is being played in the UK today
[21:23] <popey> czajkowski: s/election/referendum/, yes :)
[21:23] <czajkowski> well indeed
[21:24] <czajkowski> mhall119: final countdown :)
[21:30] <popey> I do hope if we stay, that means the likes of farage and boris will fall in a hole and disappear
[21:31] <czajkowski> lol
[21:31] <czajkowski> I cant see that happening
[21:32] <popey> one can hope


[04:43] <pitti> Good morning
[04:44] <pitti> dkessel: actually no; it's much easier to run autopilot3-sandbox-run, that does all the setup
[07:08] <dkessel> pitti: OK thanks
[07:52] <pitti> jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#dpkg is weird -- cuneiform has been "in progress" for days, but jenkins is done with it; I retried it two times, and also tried to hand-edit history on snakefruit (doesn't help, always gets reset)
[07:54] <jibel> pitti, looking
[08:01] <pitti> jibel: also, I got autopkgtests under control last week (lots of fun untangling vivid :) ); I think we can re-enable notifications now, but I still don't have access to tachash to do that myself :/
[08:02] <jibel> pitti, okay, I'll do it.
[08:02] <pitti> jibel: merci! (and sorry for pwning you first time in the morning :/)
[08:02] <jibel> pitti, something odd happened with cuneiform, I cannot find any results
[08:03] <jibel> on snakefruit
[08:21] <pitti> jibel: the results look ok to me in the jenkins artifacts; is that something specific to that package, or was there perhaps a glitch on one of the machines?
[08:40] <jibel> pitti, I fixed cuneiform, php-horde-javascriptminify-jsmin, php-horde-text-filter-jsmin and r-cran-surveillance by regerenating fake result files that exactly matches the versions in the state file on snakefruit. But I cannot track the cause of the problem because I cannot find the result files on snakefruit that failed to match originally.
[08:41] <pitti> jibel: argh, thanks!
[08:42] <pitti> I'll look at r-cran-spatstat, that causes havoc (huge logs and failure)
[12:47] <elfy> balloons: any idea when the trackers aren't going to 403? been rather a long time now
[13:23] <knome> elfy, judging on the issue, somebody has to set up the drupal installation as well as the modules again... i'd imagine not a lot of people are comfortable doing that; especially considering there is some customish configuration as well as the data migration to do...
[13:25] <balloons> elfy, it's going to be a bit
[13:28] <knome> lazy IS :P
[13:30]  * balloons is using a desktop pc again for the first time in weeks
[13:38] <knome> heh
[15:23] <elfy> balloons: ty
[16:13] <gQuigs> anyone know how to get the whoopsie identifier for a user from the CL?
[16:13] <gQuigs> you can get it from the gui by going Dash -> Security & Privacy | Diagnostics -> Show Previous Error Reports
[16:13] <gQuigs> (you can get it using C like this- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sosreport/+bug/1319160/comments/2)
[16:38] <balloons> gQuigs, so you want an easy way to grab the id through a simple cli command?
[16:40] <gQuigs> balloons: yup, to collect for a sos report
[16:42] <gQuigs> (collection of logs/config to help debug problems)
[16:43] <balloons> I don't know offhand, but you could ask bdmurray or ev if such a thing existed
[16:58] <bdmurray> gQuigs: see /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id
[16:58] <bdmurray> gQuigs: available starting in utopic
[16:59] <gQuigs> xnox just showed me I can query by dbus as well..
[16:59] <gQuigs> thanks all! :)
[18:49] <wxl> um, packages doesn't have a vivid section. that's not normal either, is it?
[19:01] <balloons> nice.. not yet anyway
[19:01] <wxl> ok :)
[19:10] <elfy> I can't even see it - how do you not it's not got vivid?
[19:10] <wxl> that's what i mean. it's not listed
[19:10] <elfy> mmm
[19:10] <elfy> that's NOT what I mean :)
[19:10] <wxl> what are you saying?
[19:11] <elfy> I mean how do you know what packages has - it's still 403ing here :)
[19:11] <elfy> and it should have at least Xubuntu on it already :)
[19:11] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/
[19:12] <elfy> ohhh - I just assumed this being the quality channel we'd be talking about the trackers being down still :p
[19:16] <wxl> yeah well there's that too
[19:16] <wxl> i was just surprised and since we had been talking about the tracker previously i didn't know if these were somehow related
[19:17] <balloons> I have a tracker update actually speaking of which
[19:17] <wxl> oh
[19:17]  * wxl claps merrily
[19:17] <balloons> should I tell you elfy before the rest of the list?
[19:17] <elfy> nah
[19:17] <elfy> I can lose the plot anywhere :D
[19:19] <elfy> balloons: so is good news then?
[19:21] <balloons> elfy, you'll have to read the mail
[19:22] <wxl> well
[19:22] <wxl> that's news
[19:23] <elfy> balloons: so in the meantime is anything being done with making the trackers more usable this cycle?
[19:24] <balloons> elfy, there's news on that front also
[19:24]  * balloons pokes dkessel
[19:26] <balloons> in addition to dkessel's fixes for the code, I'm working on making it charmable so it's easier to deploy
[19:26] <balloons> on top of all of that elfy there's a session at UOS on manual testing; specifically something the canonical QA team is trialing out
[19:27] <wxl> neat
[19:27] <balloons> so lots of chat about next week. Any specific session you'd like to have wxl, elfy or anyone else?
[19:27] <balloons> Need to put together the schedule
[19:28] <wxl> none that i can think of off hand
[19:28] <wxl> i was thinking about doing a general update on lubuntu since we're going through some major changes, but that's not necessarily specifically about quality
[19:28] <balloons> sure.. you should. if possible all flavors should have a general session sharing what's going on imho
[19:29] <wxl> agreed, though sometimes its less exciting than other times :)
[19:30] <elfy> well we (Xubuntu) have tried a few times with UOS/UDS and didn't get very much from it
[19:31] <wxl> elfy: meaning you didn't have many participants?
[19:31] <elfy> no - just didn't work for us - so we don't do it anymore
[19:33] <elfy> balloons: well I can't say whether or not charmable will make any difference to the basic usablility of the trackers
[19:33] <elfy> all I really want to see is that we can get sensible reporting from it
[19:34] <elfy> and would really really like to be able to look at image history without waiting 5 minutes
[19:34] <dkessel> balloons: ouch
[19:36] <balloons> dkessel, :-)
[19:36] <balloons> if I remember correctly we need to land some fixes for the tracker you had prepped
[19:36] <dkessel> Oh yes :)
[19:36] <balloons> elfy, your history bug is something dkessel fixed actually
[19:36] <balloons> just need to test it
[19:37] <dkessel> Yup
[19:39] <elfy> balloons: when is this QA manual session?
[19:39] <elfy> not on the site that I can see
[19:40] <balloons> elfy, I need to schedule it, I was in the middle of it when we started conversering
[19:40] <elfy> aah okey dokey :)
[19:40] <robotfuel> elopio: will you review this simple MP for me?
[19:40] <robotfuel> elopio: https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-bug-1388896/+merge/240496
[19:40]  * balloons has to twist arms (I mean ask people nicely) to host
[19:55] <elopio> robotfuel: I will make it when I finish the meeting.
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:08] <elfy> evening Letozaf_
[20:08] <Letozaf_> elfy, evening to you :)
[20:08] <Letozaf_> elfy, howzit ?
[20:08] <elfy> all good thanks :)
[20:08] <elfy> you?
[20:08] <Letozaf_> elfy, fine thanks :)
[20:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, is there a way to launch autopilot launch and vis on the device ?
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, I need it for filemanager
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, let's take this to #autopilot
[20:10] <wxl> elfy: stupid question of the day— xubuntu does use lightdm right?
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:10] <elfy> yep
[20:11] <wxl> cool thx
[20:11]  * wxl goes back to triage ._.
[20:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, btw I asked andrea to look at it as well. As we spoke about I think it might be useful to have him work on it with you
[20:11] <balloons> so you can coach him through things
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok fine I will contact him...
[20:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, doug5 might be here now?
[20:14] <doug5> yep, I'm here. I'm trying to run the test cases
[20:15] <Letozaf_> doug5, ohhh forgot your nik :(
[20:15] <Letozaf_> doug5, hello :-P
[20:15] <doug5> Letozaf_, helloooo :)
[20:16] <elopio> robotfuel: I don't get why are you updating the expected value. I ran your test and got: testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'No interaction allowed' != ''
[20:16] <Letozaf_> doug5, if you have any issued just ask me :-P
[20:16] <elopio> robotfuel: can it be different on the phone?
[20:17] <robotfuel> elopio: thats the .text property
[20:17] <robotfuel> elopio: it's failing on the dashboard for both n4 and krillin, I didn't check the desktop
[20:19] <robotfuel> elopio: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch_stable/mako/117:20141031:20141017.2/11188/ubuntuuitoolkit/1878696/
[20:20] <robotfuel> elopio: the same as the krillin bug report ^
[20:20] <elopio> robotfuel: in these cases, it's useful when you attach the screenshot to the reported bug.
[20:21] <robotfuel> is there an easy way to get the screenshot from the subunit file?
[20:21] <robotfuel> elopio: ^
[20:21] <elopio> robotfuel: install trv. There is a link to the instructions on the blueprint.
[20:21] <elopio> hum, wait, I think you can't extract it yet.
[20:22] <elopio> you can take a screenshot of trv, or use subunitdetails.
[20:22] <elopio> https://github.com/cgoldberg/subunitdetails
[20:34] <robotfuel> elopio: it has a screenshot now
[20:38] <elopio> thanks robotfuel. That is different on vivid desktop. I would ask zsombi or timp, but it's already late for them.
[20:39] <elopio> robotfuel: please remember to link the things to the blueprint and use the tags.
[20:39] <elopio> that's how others can find if somebody is already working on failures.
[20:40] <robotfuel> elopio: I linked the bug in the blueprint. I didn't know about the tags
[20:40] <robotfuel> elopio: I see it now though so I will update
[20:40] <elopio> right, I was looking at a different place.
[20:40] <elopio> thanks man.
[20:42] <balloons> doug5, so Letozaf_ and I are chatting about getting fm going in #ubuntu-autopilot, heh. You'll need to build the app after your check it out as well
[20:42] <robotfuel> elopio: I see I can link both branches and bugs.. so I did that
[20:42] <elopio> robotfuel: yes, thanks
[20:42] <balloons> so bzr branch lp:ubuntu-filemanager-app, cd ubuntu-filemanager-app, cmake ., make, cd test/autopilot, autopilot3 list filemanager, autopilot3 run -v filemanager.
[20:43] <balloons> provided you have all the depends, that should work. you can install what is needed by looking in debian/control
[20:43] <doug5> building...
[20:44]  * Letozaf_ is building too :P
[20:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, also noticed there are 2 UI layouts. you can pass -p to get the phone layout, and -t to get tablet
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, great thanks
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it autopilot3 launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../src/app/qml/filemanager.qml -p  ?
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, from tests/autopilot ?
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, because I get an error
[20:48] <Letozaf_> no wait...
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, do I have to launch the binary and not the qml ?
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, yep, launch the binary
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, so is it  autopilot3 launch ../../src/app/filemanager ? as I still got problems
[20:52] <Letozaf_> ile:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/ubuntu-filemanager-app/src/app/qml/filemanager.qml:147:9: Type FolderListPage unavailable
[20:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, that sounds betteryes
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, btw, feel free to update the readme with this info when you commit :-)
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok :) but look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8808105/
[20:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, I just tried also. I'm sure I got the same errors as you
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, fiew!
[20:54]  * Letozaf_ is feeling a bit better :P
[20:55]  * balloons tries something
[20:56] <doug5> I guess I miss some dependencies instead http://paste.ubuntu.com/8808127/
[20:56] <balloons> doug5, yes.. qtdeclarative5-placesmodel0.1, and qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel,
[20:57] <balloons> the full  list is qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel qtdeclarative5-placesmodel0.1 qtdeclarative5-pamauthentication0.1 qtdeclarative5-qtquick2-plugin qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0 qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-content0.1
[20:59] <doug5> do I have to setup a specific ppa?
[21:01] <balloons> doug5, are you on utopic or trusty?
[21:02] <doug5> utopic
[21:03] <balloons> doug5, Letozaf_ the dev is on IRC as ajalkane. I'm confused why the app doesn't seem to build cleanly in qtcreator, and what Letozaf_ and I are missing
[21:04] <balloons> doug5, k that's good. Do some of those depends come back as missing for you?
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will follow your chat with ajalkane
[21:06] <doug5> balloons, yes qtdeclarative5-placesmodel0.1 for example
[21:06] <balloons> doug5, that's built inside the project.
[21:07] <balloons> I'm curious if the project itself needs some cleanup on depends.. the pamauth plugin is in project too
[21:07] <balloons> as is the folderlistmodel plugin
[21:07] <balloons> Sorry about this. I just messed with these tests a few weeks ago. I thought it would be a good thing to practice
[21:08] <balloons> I'm not sure how building got some confusing
[21:08] <balloons> *so confusing
[21:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, no problem, we are testers, so we are used to these things :--P
[21:12] <balloons> Letozaf_, I removed local versions of the depends as he suggested
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it working now ?
[21:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, now I get what doug5 is seeing
[21:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, by the way I am on Vivid but I suppose it's not so different from Utopic
[21:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh right, more or less the same atm
[21:20] <balloons> so Letozaf_ doug5 I built it by using qtcreator after downloading, then running the binary in the build directory
[21:20] <balloons> it builds out of tree
[21:20] <doug5> ok, let me try
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I will have to use qtcreator and not cmake and make right ?
[21:22] <balloons> I opened the cmakelists.txt file and I had to select desktop
[21:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea for now, something is off with doing it any other way
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok, means I will have to learn to use qtcreator :P
[21:23] <balloons> Letozaf_, lol, it's pretty painless to just build with
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[21:23] <balloons> the tests seem to work and run also.. whew
[21:24] <doug5> balloons, how did you run the tests inside the build directory?
[21:24] <balloons> doug5, i didn't. I went to the dir I branched in
[21:24] <balloons> the tests are setup to look for the out of tree build
[21:25] <balloons> so it expects a binary out there
[21:25] <balloons> whew, ok funzies
[21:26]  * Letozaf_ is building with qtcreator  \o/
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I built it. but now should I run autopilot3 launch filemanager or what ?
[21:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, yep that should work now
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes its working
[21:30] <balloons> so doug5 Letozaf_ is using autopilot vis to explore the dbus tree of the application
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I suppose the -p does not work
[21:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea, asking ajaklane about it
[21:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[21:41] <doug6> balloons, see you tomorrow
[21:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, I might go to bed now... do you mind if I come back tomorrow on this ?
[21:56] <elopio> nuclearbob: can you please give me the link to app startup tests?
[21:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, see you tomorrow :) going to bed, goodnight.
[22:12] <balloons> *.qa.ubuntu.com is live again
[22:13] <dkessel> \o/
[22:14] <wxl> email forthcoming i'm assuming balloons ?
[22:14] <dkessel> and so fast.... :)
[22:15] <balloons> yep


[00:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#2390 closed: repo: document package purpose <Created by abitrolly> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2390>


[14:30] <sarnold> good morning
[14:40] <sarnold> and goodbye :)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> hi
[14:59] <cpaelzer> sarnold: why did you leave already :-)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> we are about to start now according to my calendar
[15:00] <cpaelzer> didrocks: jamespage: ddstreet: sarnold: slyon: doko: ping for MIR meeting
[15:00] <jamespage> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <jamespage> I had this one scheduled for +30 mins?
[15:00] <slyon> eh.. we're 30min early according to my calendar?
[15:01] <cpaelzer> oh really
[15:01] <cpaelzer> I didn't check exactly enough and saw the ping of sarnold which made me run
[15:01] <cpaelzer> indeed slyon
[15:01] <cpaelzer> 30 min to start
[15:28] <sarnold> good morning again :)
[15:29] <sarnold> I hate sommerzeit so much
[15:29] <cpaelzer> let me try this again at the right time ....
[15:29] <cpaelzer> didrocks: jamespage: ddstreet: sarnold: slyon: doko: ping for MIR meeting
[15:29] <jamespage> hiya
[15:29] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:29] <cpaelzer> hello everyone
[15:30] <slyon> o/
[15:30] <cpaelzer> another ping for the log => didrocks: jamespage: ddstreet: sarnold: slyon: doko: ping for MIR meeting
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:30] <cpaelzer> We have plenty of things, but more for the "other business" section than actions
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <cpaelzer> so I'd go on ...
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:30] <cpaelzer> archive open, so expect more ...
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:31] <cpaelzer> going through them left to right
[15:31] <cpaelzer> 1. lintian into libio-prompt-tiny-perl
[15:32] <cpaelzer> that seems to be another small perl lib, slyon usually Doko has handled those, would you mind having a lool
[15:32] <cpaelzer> look
[15:32] <slyon> will do
[15:32] <cpaelzer> then piprewire (we promoted recently) into "wireplumber"
[15:32] <cpaelzer> that sounds like didrocks playground, will you have a look what we want to do there didrocks ?
[15:32] <didrocks> yeah, was about to say that
[15:33] <cpaelzer> then postgresql-14 is mine, it is sad that it is here we we likely won't be able to fully switch to 14
[15:33] <cpaelzer> dependent projetcs usually take too long
[15:33] <cpaelzer> but in any case, my business
[15:33] <cpaelzer> then policykit is a known false-positive
[15:33] <cpaelzer> python-croniter -> python-tzlocal - does that mean anything to anyone?
[15:34] <didrocks> not to me
[15:34] <slyon> no
[15:34] <sarnold> iirc it's fallout from the upstream tzdata mess
[15:34] <cpaelzer> that would be foundations, but maybe we wait a week on that one and see if we get a request
[15:35] <cpaelzer> next would be cherrypy3
[15:35] <cpaelzer> jamespage: that would be you
[15:35] <cpaelzer> but it is still all approved except python-cheroot
[15:35] <jamespage> I need to loop back to that
[15:35] <sarnold> on my todo-list
[15:35] <cpaelzer> which waits on security
[15:35] <cpaelzer> php8.1 is with us and being worked on
[15:35] <jamespage> there we go then
[15:35] <cpaelzer> wow, so many ...
[15:36] <cpaelzer> cmake->dh-elpa sounds foundationish
[15:36] <cpaelzer> slyon: ?
[15:36] <sarnold> our colleagues have been busy
[15:36] <cpaelzer> to be clear you do not have to do all the MIRs, but find someone in the team to think about it
[15:36] <slyon> ACK. I'll put it on my list
[15:36] <cpaelzer> pillow -> raqm means nothing to me
[15:36] <cpaelzer> known to anyone?
[15:37] <slyon> pillow is foundations..
[15:37] <sarnold> the README kinds looks like desktopish thing, but pillow .. dunno
[15:38] <cpaelzer> ok, another on on you then @slyon
[15:38] <slyon> ok
[15:38] <cpaelzer> as I said, do not feel as if you have to do everything on these
[15:38] <cpaelzer> just ensure they become handled
[15:38] <cpaelzer> instead of cluttering this view and blocking proposed migration
[15:38] <cpaelzer> ruby3.0 is on us and worked on
[15:38] <cpaelzer> then a few known false positives
[15:39] <cpaelzer> licensecheck -> libio-interactive-perl is the last
[15:39] <cpaelzer> another python lib for slyon
[15:39] <slyon> yes
[15:39] <cpaelzer> puh, that was as much as I was afraid it would be
[15:39] <cpaelzer> let us ensure with our teams to at least file bugs for those cases so that we can find the status from this view
[15:40] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:40] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:40] <cpaelzer> The first one is "new" again, I will talk about that one later in the "other business" section
[15:40] <cpaelzer> egl-wayland I need to have a loolk
[15:40] <cpaelzer> look
[15:41] <cpaelzer> oh this was the one waiting for proper non-automated test steps right?
[15:41] <sarnold> yeah
[15:41] <didrocks> indeed
[15:41] <cpaelzer> let us all have a look if we like the new answer now ...
[15:42] <cpaelzer> Not yet perfectly what I wanted, but kind of "good enough" and I'd not want this to be a victim of being "the first"
[15:42] <sarnold> same here
[15:43] <cpaelzer> I'd be tempted to say yes to this one, as I can now at least imagine what is to be tested
[15:43] <sarnold> at least, I hope it makes sense for desktopish folks to know what to do based o this
[15:43] <sarnold> I know I'd still need more hand-holding if it were me..
[15:43] <cpaelzer> votes please - +1 if you agree to ack this based on this
[15:43] <cpaelzer> +1
[15:43] <slyon> +1
[15:43] <sarnold> +1
[15:43] <didrocks> I’m still afraid on this kind of testing to not be completed per history, -1 for me
[15:44] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you mean the experience tells us it won't be doen - is that what you say?
[15:44] <didrocks> yeah, you won’t see right away the breakage and per history of the uploader, this won’t get fixed quickly
[15:45] <didrocks> but I’m in the minority camp, let’s hope I’m wrong :)
[15:45] <cpaelzer> This is a Desktoppy topic, you might bring it up on your side as well
[15:45] <cpaelzer> this is at least already better to what we had in the past
[15:45] <didrocks> well, desktop doesn’t maintaing the graphical part/acceleration of the stack
[15:45] <sarnold> oh. hmm.
[15:46] <cpaelzer> oh is that why it is kernel team subscribed?
[15:46] <didrocks> indeed, the kernel team does
[15:46] <didrocks> same with nvidia acceleration, where there are multi years bug like you enable acceleration, which disable it, and no action on it despite bugs reported, hence my concern
[15:46] <cpaelzer> hmm, I'm unsure then - let me do a simple question ont he bug, to be sure
[15:46] <cpaelzer> if the answer is good we can then ack based on the vote of today
[15:47] <didrocks> indeed
[15:47] <cpaelzer> I want to ask to commit som some regular frequency of testing this
[15:47] <didrocks> sounds like the good approach to me :)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> send https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/egl-wayland/+bug/1935082/comments/24
[15:49] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:49] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:50] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, nice
[15:50] <cpaelzer> last update on vulkan was the reivew, and I know it is being worked on e.g. to add the tests
[15:50] <cpaelzer> so this list is all fine
[15:50] <cpaelzer> let me get to the crowded next section of the meeting
[15:50] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:50] <cpaelzer> First of all a good and positive news :-)
[15:51] <cpaelzer> Lukas has done three great reviews and clearly seems to be able to follow the rules, help us to improve the team and IMHO should be allowed to "work alone" now.
[15:51] <cpaelzer> don't be too concerned if unsure I'm sure he will ask
[15:51] <cpaelzer> But that is just my opinion, therfore I wanted to call for +1/-1 on letting him handle things alone
[15:51] <cpaelzer> +1
[15:51] <sarnold> +1
[15:51] <didrocks> +1
[15:51] <slyon> +0 :)
[15:51] <sarnold> a halo? :)
[15:51] <cpaelzer> ok slyon doesn't have a vote and ddstreet jamespage are distracted by other things but we already reached qorum
[15:51] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:52] <cpaelzer> slyon: and thanks for you helping the team
[15:52] <cpaelzer> !
[15:52] <sarnold> thanks slyon :)
[15:52] <cpaelzer> it won't be more formal than that slyon, sorry
[15:52] <slyon> thank you for your reviews and the approval!
[15:52] <cpaelzer> next topic, fuse3
[15:52] <didrocks> can we give him all MIRs now? kthxbye :)
[15:52] <cpaelzer> => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse3/+bug/1934510
[15:52] <cpaelzer> Rightfully asked by various Desktop people if we could consider to promote it now to unblock and resolve plenty of work now instead of last minute.
[15:52] <cpaelzer> Paride has had a look at all the affected subprojects and updated the status
[15:52] <cpaelzer> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse3/+bug/1934510/comments/15
[15:52] <cpaelzer> I said the following but would like to sync and agree with you about it:
[15:52] <cpaelzer> "+1 to land and promote early (unblocking a lot) if the transition to demote fuse(2) can and will be completed inside the 22.04 cycle"
[15:52] <cpaelzer> Any opposing thoughts?
[15:52] <cpaelzer> Benefit: all teams can work on their dependencies soon instead of last minute
[15:53] <cpaelzer> Risk: if we do not manage to get fuse2 demoted in time we would have two fuses
[15:53] <cpaelzer> in 22.04 which is an LTS
[15:53] <cpaelzer> this mostly needs a +1 from the owning team and security
[15:53] <cpaelzer> = slyon + sarnold
[15:53] <slyon> +1 from foundations. We have all the patches ready and are working on the transition
[15:53] <cpaelzer> I'd be in favor of doing it this way (promoting now'ish), but what do you think?
[15:54] <didrocks> even if we don’t vote formally +1 as well, we did it multiple times in the past already and it worked well
[15:54] <cpaelzer> sarnold: I can tell you from VMWare that they want to do this for the next release, it doesn't exist yet but that much for intentions
[15:54] <sarnold> +1 -- lets get this going
[15:54] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:54] <cpaelzer> I'll update the case
[15:56] <cpaelzer> bug updated
[15:56] <cpaelzer> and last but not least - the rewrite of our rules
[15:56] <cpaelzer> to be more readable, clear and useful
[15:56] <cpaelzer> https://github.com/cpaelzer/ubuntu-mir/pull/2
[15:56] <cpaelzer> I have an ack there by slyon didrocks and ddstreet
[15:56] <cpaelzer> and I wanted to thank you for cross reading it
[15:56] <cpaelzer> each iteration looking at it made me do improvements
[15:57] <cpaelzer> and the spriti here is "better than before, can be improved further"
[15:57] <slyon> Thanks for doing all this cleanup. Using the new template is much better than the previous approach.
[15:57] <cpaelzer> It is a building block and prereq to express what we want to do with rust
[15:57] <didrocks> well, thank **you** for doing this huge task :)
[15:57] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:57] <cpaelzer> so +1/-1 for me landing those changes as shown here?
[15:57] <slyon> +1
[15:57] <cpaelzer> +1 from me (in case my vote counts)
[15:58] <cpaelzer> and as I said we had +1 from ddstreet and didrocks on the PR already
[15:58] <didrocks> yeah
[15:58] <cpaelzer> sarnold: jamespage: any opinion from you ?
[15:58] <sarnold> I'm sorry to say that I've not seen this in a few weeks and can't remember much about it
[15:58] <sarnold> this is vastly longer than I remember, which makes me wonder if I even remember the right thing
[15:59] <cpaelzer> ok, since we have reached qorum already how about /me updating it and you feel free to comment if you spot anything later
[15:59] <sarnold> ack, thanks
[15:59] <cpaelzer> great
[15:59] <cpaelzer> and now final topic
[15:59] <cpaelzer> swtpm
[15:59]  * sarnold buries head in sand
[15:59] <cpaelzer> it was agreed that we need this and as usual now it is urgent
[15:59] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swtpm/+bug/1948748
[15:59] <cpaelzer> vorlon: and I have worked on this to get it to this stage asap
[16:00] <cpaelzer> but now it is on security
[16:00] <cpaelzer> given the constraints on this, anything that can be done to give this some prio in seucrity would propably be great
[16:00] <cpaelzer> "security"
[16:00] <sarnold> yeah, it's bumped python-cheroot
[16:00] <sarnold> I've run it through coverity so far, hooray for the easy building and no problems there :) I haven't started in on it yet
[16:01] <cpaelzer> thanks, as I said in the past if we can make anything to get you @sarnold more resources/prio let us know
[16:01] <cpaelzer> otherwise please just hear our call and do as much as you can :-)
[16:01] <cpaelzer> that would be my list of topics
[16:01] <sarnold> we've hired on some new folks and as they get settled, hopefully I'll be able to bring them up on MIRs :)
[16:01] <cpaelzer> still it seems there is hope
[16:01] <cpaelzer> anything else from you to discuss ?
[16:01] <sarnold> nothing from me
[16:01] <slyon> nothing here
[16:02] <cpaelzer> ok, I guess ddstreet and jamespage will continue to be distracted
[16:02] <cpaelzer> didrocks: from you anything?
[16:02] <didrocks> anything for me
[16:02] <didrocks> nothing*
[16:02] <jamespage> sorry - trying todo two meetings at once is multifailing
[16:02] <jamespage> but nothing more from me
[16:02] <didrocks> sorry, in another HO as well now :)
[16:02] <cpaelzer> I know, not problem jamespage
[16:02] <cpaelzer> s/not/no/
[16:02] <cpaelzer> ok, then thanks to all of you
[16:02] <cpaelzer> we made great steps forward
[16:02] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:02:59 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-11-02-15.29.moin.txt
[16:03] <slyon> thanks cpaelzer !
[16:03] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :) congrats slyon :)
[16:03] <didrocks> thanks everyone :)
[16:03] <slyon> \o/


[16:18] <airurando> http://www.gerrywalsh.com/1/post/2013/04/return-of-the-narwals-unicorn-of-the-sea-to-irish-waters.html
[16:19] <airurando> i hadn't realised natty was from irish waters
[17:00] <airurando> hello chrono800
[17:05] <chrono800> :)
[17:06] <chrono800> Back at ya ;)
[17:08] <chrono800> Its really cool to be back on IRC,  So many happy memories for me are flooding back circa 1994!!!
[17:11] <chrono800> I'm back to my internet root days, will stay logged for the evening I think, while whatching "Promethius" :)
[17:12] <airurando> This is a relatively quiet channel.  Frequently there is no one about so never take silence as an insult ;-)
[17:12] <chrono800> Could you do some introductions to the people you know in here, airurando for me?
[17:13] <chrono800> Anyone I might have met in person at skynet last year in UL?
[17:13] <airurando> chrono800 you met czajkowski and tdr112 at skycon
[17:13] <chrono800> cool
[17:14] <airurando> laura and Jeffrey
[17:14] <chrono800> I have a mental picture of these people now, great!!
[17:14] <airurando> you also met AndrewMcC at skycon
[17:14] <airurando> my neighbour
[17:14] <chrono800> OK
[17:15] <chrono800> Ah yeah.. cool :)
[17:15] <airurando> ebel is the point of contact for our LoCo.
[17:15] <chrono800> good to know!
[17:16] <airurando> now get back to the film
[17:16] <chrono800> Thanks for the comprehensive fb message.  I'll look and the links in due course....!
[17:16] <airurando> no prob
[17:17] <chrono800> yep!!, I'll stay logged into this room, check back visually later, cya ;)
[17:17] <chrono800> should read "at the links...."
[17:18] <airurando> oh one last mention you also met andru183 at skycon
[17:19] <chrono800> Can you remind me at what time, place?
[17:20] <airurando> He is the president of Skynet (UL Comp Soc). We briefly chatted to him at the dinner
[17:20] <chrono800> Don't worry..not important..
[17:20] <chrono800> Ah OK!
[17:21] <chrono800> Will check in later, as I've already said.  Now back to my movie ...!
[18:42] <chrono800> One hr into "prometheus" movie, pretty gripping so far...! blu-ray adds to the well planned out story so far....! :)
[19:46] <chrono800> WOW!!! What a really GREAT Movie!! :)
[19:47] <chrono800> Gives a whole NEW meaning to GIRL POWER!! ;)
[19:49] <chrono800> Has anyone in here seen "Prometheus"?    The bigger the screen, louder the sound the better..!
[20:39] <ebel> maybe will give it a download.
[20:39] <ebel> does it have predators in it? or is it just aliens?
[20:40] <chrono800> just aliens!
[20:41] <ebel> think star trek was the last scifi film I saw
[20:41]  * ebel has kinda gone on a history bent recently :P
[20:42] <chrono800> do continue.....>:o
[20:43] <ebel> ah just reading history books & watching history shows.
[20:44] <ebel> The Borgias, The Tudors are good shows. Just starting watching Vikings, mostly good but a bit historically nonsense at times.
[20:50] <chrono800> I like Jeremy Irons as an actor. He is in the Borgais right? sky atlantic?
[20:53] <chrono800> I like History programs that have religious themes in them like the film "Kingdom of Heaven" or Irish history..
[21:10] <chrono800>  airurando tells me you are the point of contact for ubuntu ireland's LoCo?
[21:11] <chrono800> Might chat to you more about that on wed, if you're going to the meeting on in here?
[21:13] <ebel> eh sure
[21:13]  * ebel tries to remember what's happening on wednesday
[21:13] <ebel> I'm often here, I'm on IRC a lot. Feel free to ask anytime.
[21:14] <chrono800> cool..!
[21:16] <ebel> brb
[21:19] <chrono800> I'm gonna head off, I know where to reach you now....! Might see you wed. :)
[21:23] <tdr112>   evening