[13:24] <melodie_> hi
[13:24] <penguin42> hey
[13:26] <melodie_> I just installed a Trusty almost up to date and after install I updated. From there : some applications would not display their "face" anymore, only the borders of the windows. I realized later after some research in the history of the update that the gtkpixbuf packages were the guilty.
[13:26] <penguin42> what makes you say it was gtkpixbug?
[13:26] <penguin42> f
[13:26] <melodie_> so I have rebooted to live, proceeded to get the packages from there with dpkg-repack, rebooted to the install, installed the three packages using dpkg and that's fixed.
[13:26] <melodie_> the error messages said it was gtkpixbuf
[13:27] <melodie_> now, I would like to know against which of the three packages should I check for bug reports?
[13:27] <melodie_> Here is the list:
[13:27] <melodie_> gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0_2.30.7-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[13:27] <melodie_> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0_2.30.7-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[13:27] <melodie_> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common_2.30.7-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[13:28] <melodie_> these ones are the ones I recreated with dpkg-repack
[13:28] <penguin42> do they all come from the same source package?
[13:28] <melodie_> penguin42, I think so?
[13:28] <melodie_> let me check
[13:28] <penguin42> I think the bugs come back to the source package, so they'd all be against one
[13:30] <melodie_> penguin42, you are right, I got my answer, thanks!
[13:30] <melodie_> now I have to head to my other machine, where my account is setup :D
[13:30] <melodie_> terrible, you can fancy?
[13:31] <melodie_> update and oops! GUI vanished! /o\
[13:32] <melodie_> so the package is gdk-pixbuf
[13:32] <penguin42> melodie_: OK, so that's a really grim failure if there's a trusty update that's breaking it
[13:32] <melodie_> what does "grim" mean here?
[13:32] <penguin42> BAD
[13:32] <melodie_> yes
[13:32] <melodie_> terrible
[13:33] <melodie_> in the present install I have reinstalled the previous and blocked the version for the time being, now I'll check what I can find at the ubuntu packages place, see if there are already other bug reports
[13:34] <penguin42> melodie_: If you can't find the right one, then use ubuntu-bug to report the bug,  state clearly the version you had the problem with and paste the bug link here
[13:36] <melodie_> penguin42, don't worry, I'll find a way to proceed to the bug reports, I am now reading the former high confirmed bug
[13:37] <penguin42> URL?
[13:38] <melodie_> version for http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 is now "2.30.7-0ubuntu1.1", and to fix the bug I reinstalled versions " 2.30.7-0ubuntu1 "
[13:39] <melodie_> the former bug relates to a former major version, it's not related directly
[13:39] <melodie_> here: #619003
[13:40] <melodie_> now I head to my other machine, login to launchpad and will be back here and on the logs pages of ubuntu IRC to get back the info for the bug report.
[13:40] <melodie_> also I have the .xsession-errors.old from the former session with the errors
[13:40] <melodie_> well, with some of the errors
[13:41] <penguin42> 619003 is ancient
[13:41] <melodie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12295075/
[13:41] <penguin42> however...
[13:41] <melodie_> however?
[13:42] <penguin42> melodie_: can you do    file /usr/share/themes/bluebird/gtk-3.0/assets/entry.png
[13:43] <melodie_> yes, it's svg files not png
[13:43] <melodie_>  no
[13:43] <melodie_> wait
[13:44] <melodie_> [myriam@pegase:/usr/share/themes]$ file Bluebird/gtk-3.0/assets/entry.png
[13:44] <melodie_> Bluebird/gtk-3.0/assets/entry.png: PNG image data, 24 x 16, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
[13:44] <melodie_> this is "Bluebird" and not "bluebird" :D
[13:45] <penguin42> I was just looking at the other errors in your log about those, but I don't see wh it's upset at them
[13:45] <melodie_> penguin42, do you want me to bring any other information right here?
[13:46] <penguin42> melodie_: Not that I can think of
[13:46] <melodie_> just after update there were error messages related to gdkpixbuf loaders
[13:46] <penguin42> melodie_: If you reupgrade to the broken packages does it fail again?
[13:46] <melodie_> let me check the logs
[13:47] <melodie_> should I break this install again? I don't think so, that's not my machine and I have to hand it back in a pair of days
[13:47] <melodie_> I'll rather test in a virtual machine in my tower
[13:47] <penguin42> melodie_: Well if you've kept the old packages on there, you shouldn't need to use a livecd, you should just be able to do the packages from the command line
[13:48] <penguin42> melodie_: But if you can repeat the failure in a VM that would be great - but I'm not one of the gdk-pixbuf devs
[13:49] <melodie_> yes, I'd rather check in a virtualbox machine
[13:50] <melodie_> also I would like to find the post-install messages from apt-get but it seems not to exist? Or do I miss something?
[13:50]  * penguin42 isn't sure if they're logged anywhere
[13:50] <melodie_> also I can test in the live usb, it won't hurt it as it's in read only mode
[13:51] <melodie_> penguin42, in Archlinux, their pcmanfm.log logs everything, in one single file. as long as the owner of the machine does not remove it, he can retrace all his/her history from the very first day the system was installed : post-install messages included
[13:52] <penguin42> melodie_: There is /var/log/dpkg.log
[13:52] <melodie_> let me check
[13:52] <penguin42> melodie_: I'm not sure if it will contain what you're after though
[13:54] <melodie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12295187/ lines 296 to 302
[13:55] <melodie_> it just says "half installed"
[13:56] <melodie_> but this is not a clue, it says the same for the other packages udpated and installed too
[13:57] <melodie_> I'll reboot to the live now and test there. This way I can come back here with the history of our discussion which I will retrieve directly. I'll boot the tower too at same time. and in the live usb I'll do the upgrade and see how it reacts.
[13:57] <melodie_> brb
[13:57] <penguin42> oh, gets configure at line 600ish
[14:44] <melodie> hi
[14:44] <melodie> penguin42,
[14:44] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/1492767
[14:46] <penguin42> melodie: What do you mean by 'custom version'
[14:46] <melodie> Ubuntu with Openbox
[14:47] <penguin42> melodie: and where are the openbox packages from?
[14:47] <melodie> https://launchpad.net/bento-dev
[14:47] <melodie> from the repos of course
[14:48] <penguin42> melodie: From the main repos or from that bento thing?
[14:48] <melodie> Bento does not have a repos
[14:48] <penguin42> ah
[14:48] <melodie> and it's not a thing :D
[14:49] <melodie> it's a well working version
[14:49] <penguin42> melodie: OK, it's just starting a bug report off with 'I installed a custom version and something broke' isn't going to get very far
[14:49] <melodie> if it's confirmed in other installs it will go further
[14:50] <melodie> ok, I removed "custom version"
[14:51] <penguin42> melodie: No, you must be honest - if it is a custom version then you've got to be honest and debug whether it's your custom version that's the problem
[14:51] <melodie> to do that, I'll need to check in an official version such as Lubuntu
[14:52] <penguin42> yep, but if you're going to do something non-standard then the onus is on you to figure out what's going on
[14:52] <melodie> so I may show my bug report to people using and working for the Lubuntu community and ask if they find the same as I do. i work regularly with them on improving things
[14:52] <penguin42> sure
[14:53] <penguin42> melodie: It's just it's a very different triage; a main package that breaks lots of users is obviously high/critical - if it's just breaking a few people with some odd setup then it's very different
[14:54] <melodie> penguin42, there is no special thing in Bento Openbox, just the files are in the /etc/skel and as it's Openbox it has some configuration files in text mode, and up to now, after dozens of ISOs done since 3 years, it's the first time I meet such an issue (and other issues I met were confirmed and fixed the same way with bug reports and cross findings in official editions)
[14:54] <melodie> you can have a look at my bugs page https://bugs.launchpad.net/~meets
[14:55] <penguin42> melodie: OK, so rather than saying custom install actually document in the bug the setup you're hitting
[14:55] <melodie> ok, how do I do that?
[14:55] <penguin42> I don't know anything about your setup, but obviously you've done it some how
[14:57] <melodie> the setup is very classical, lxappearance writes to the files .gtkrc-2.0 and .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[14:57] <melodie> really nothing special about that
[14:57] <melodie> the elements of the theme come from the repos
[14:57] <melodie> one icon theme comes from a ppa, and brings no trouble at all
[14:57] <penguin42> you've got to report what you're doing or the bug is worse than useless
[14:58] <penguin42> you're hitting a bug in gdk-pixbuf with a theme from a ppa? Have you tried switching that off?
[14:58] <melodie> no
[14:58] <melodie> this is not a theme from a ppa
[14:58] <melodie> only the icons
[14:58] <melodie> the theme is clearlooks-phenix
[14:58] <melodie> and yes I have switched themes this is explained in the bug report
[14:58] <penguin42> but gdk-pixbuf wrangles images, so that could be those icons?
[14:59] <melodie> no the icons aren't involved
[14:59] <penguin42> how do you know?
[14:59] <melodie> it's something related to gtk3 themes
[14:59] <melodie> I know because I tried gtk2 themes
[14:59] <melodie> and in programs which can use it, the problem was gone
[14:59] <melodie> but with synaptic that uses GTK3 the problem was gone only when I move the gtk3 theme out of the way:
[15:00] <melodie> then synaptic looked ugly as a lost dog, but was working
[15:08] <melodie> penguin42, I have to go test in vbox now, I am leaving here, the live update didn't teach me anything because there was not enough space available
[15:09] <melodie> bbl
[15:09] <melodie> and thanks for your help!


[10:03] <qwerkus> hello. Yesterday I tried dual monitoring on lubuntu
[10:04] <qwerkus> 14.04 with xrandr. Worked fine. Today, I boot up an get a blank desktop (background + mouse)
[10:04] <qwerkus> how can I fix it ?
[10:07] <koell> qwerkus: so there are no panels there or the menu at the bottom?
[10:07] <qwerkus> exactly. ctrl+alt+t doesn't work either.
[10:08] <koell> qwerkus: so does every restart fail?
[10:08] <qwerkus> ye
[10:08] <qwerkus> s
[10:09] <koell> did you put the xrandr command in the autostart config file?
[10:09] <qwerkus> no
[10:09] <koell> im using xrandr as well and just put it there so after login i got dual monitor setup
[10:10] <qwerkus> sure
[10:10] <qwerkus> but I had to try it first, so I used a term, and entered the commands manually
[10:10] <koell> yeah
[10:11] <qwerkus> is there a log file somewhere showing what's going on after lighdm passes over to lxde ?
[10:11] <koell> but if you only try it is reset after restart and now that problem appears?
[10:12] <qwerkus> yes; that's why my guess is that it's not xrandr related
[10:14] <koell> weirdo
[11:43] <rockworldmi> Hi all.
[11:43] <rockworldmi> i am unable to boot into LiveDVD on hp450
[11:44] <rockworldmi> i have disabled uefi but still not working
[12:24] <qwerkus> still facing a blank desktop here; no clue where the problem is..
[12:26] <zy3pD> mouse visible?
[12:26] <qwerkus> yes
[12:27] <zy3pD> tried with a seound monitor? maybe drivers are missing
[12:27] <zy3pD> or with Ctrl+Alt+F1 on terminal?
[12:28] <qwerkus> xorg.0.log shows no problem with nouveau
[12:28] <qwerkus> it's a laptop though
[12:34] <zy3pD> so additional drivers are missing
[12:35] <qwerkus> you mean nvidia bins ?
[12:36] <zy3pD> e.g.
[12:39] <qwerkus> ha: works. Turns out there was no space left on /
[12:39] <qwerkus> clear some space; problem fixed
[12:39] <zy3pD> omg
[12:40] <qwerkus> I think I already experienced this somewhere
[12:40] <qwerkus> there should be a quick check upon boot time
[12:40] <qwerkus> to see if there is enough space left
[16:13] <pacmyc> After latest update on lubuntu 64-bit the computer freezes for about 1 minute when the "logout"-button is pressed on the "start menu". I never had any issues like this before. After a minute the logout menu appears and seem to be working. Any ideas? Or hints which log log files to check=
[16:14] <yz3pD> pacmyc, i had the same problem! installed additional display drivers...runs fast
[16:16] <pacmyc> ok i'll try that, thanx
[19:21] <taiebot> Wouah guys i have just updated to the latest updates today and i won 60Mb of ram on startup. I am on 14.04 and i have proposed as updates. if i login as the guest session it uses only 140mb of ram that's a massive improvement.
[19:24] <wxl> taiebot: that's interesting. wonder if it was bash's fault hahahah
[19:27] <ianorlin> wxl for bug 1374546 what am I supposed to strace?
[19:27] <wxl> ianorlin: the command(s) you're running
[19:27] <taiebot> wxl: Did someone notice the same improvement? i do think its more related to the kernel update
[19:29] <wxl> taiebot: can't say i've been paying attention.
[19:33] <taiebot> wxl: I have a widget always on, with ram and cpu displayed. I did clearly notice after i updated a big improvement on startup
[20:14] <BuntuTech> hello lubuntites
[20:50] <holstein> BuntuTech: hello, and welcome .. be sure to use the #lubuntu-offtopic channel for casual chatting
[20:55] <BuntuTech> what casual chatting im just sitting here
[22:10] <kamikaze1993> could someone help me get my wifi card intel 6235 to get more stabil?
[22:10] <kamikaze1993> http://pastebin.com/z0aUmUgd
[23:04] <dresden> how do I force lxpanel to load on my primary display if my external monitor is positioned left?


[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[08:48] <sbc> Hi. Does anyone know how the PlanetUbuntu twitter feed is set up technically? https://twitter.com/#!/planetubuntu I would like one for our local Danish planet.
[11:17] <dholbach> daker, do you know something about the ubuntu-website/light-theme bits?
[11:17] <dholbach> we're still trying to get the packaging guide rethemed
[11:18] <dholbach> and Amoz in #ubuntu-devel just offered help
[11:18] <daker> lemme see


[04:22] <delt> question... i have 2 machines running ubuntu studio (desktop computer and laptop) ... very often, the software updater downloads stuff in duplicate. Is there a way to avoid wasting bandwidth, for example, by sharing the directory where the files are downloaded by the software updater?
[04:24] <delt> actually, the whole root of the desktop machine is shared via NFS to the laptop. So it might be just a matter of replacing a directory by a symlink...?
[04:27] <holstein> delt: the short answer is, yes
[04:27] <holstein> you wont do it from one machine to the other, like that.. you'll basically, make your own server for your updates, locally.. that could be one of the machines.. then, you updated the machines for that
[04:28] <holstein> delt: you pay for your data per mb like that?
[06:43] <ubuntu-studio> ubuntu studio hangs on login
[06:43] <ubuntu-studio> how to resolve?
[06:43] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: sure.. whats going on?
[06:44] <ubuntu-studio> after i give login id and passwd the desktop icons do not appear
[06:44] <holstein> what would i do? i would boot the guest account or another user, and see that the issue is in my user account
[06:45] <holstein> if all is "Normal" as the guest, then the issue is likely in the users /home
[06:45] <ubuntu-studio> guest account boots perfectly
[06:45] <holstein> i would then, either just rename ~/.config or just the xfce specific configs, reboot or relog, and let the os generate new configs that are not broken
[06:47] <ubuntu-studio> are you sure that can help?
[06:47] <ubuntu-studio> will the os not crash ?
[06:48] <ubuntu-studio> or any data loss
[06:48] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: correct.. the os will *not* crash, and you are not removing or deleting anything
[06:48] <holstein> you are not removing anyting, so you will not lose anything
[06:48] <ubuntu-studio> ok l shall try that
[06:48] <ubuntu-studio> thank you
[06:48] <holstein> what you will lose is, the "bad" or "broken" config
[06:48] <holstein> then you can put back what you like, or what you need
[06:49] <holstein> you can drill down into ~/.config and just rename the xfce specific directories
[06:49] <ubuntu-studio> ok
[07:22] <ubuntu-studio> deleting xfce folder in .config folder didnt help
[07:23] <ubuntu-studio> the same problem persists
[07:23] <ubuntu-studio> after login system freezes
[07:24] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: thats not the problem you mentioned before
[07:24] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: i was addressing the desktop icons missing.. what is the deal? exactly?
[07:25] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: i also specifically stated *not* to delete that folder
[07:26] <ubuntu-studio> after login the icons, panel etc do not appear
[07:27] <ubuntu-studio> only i can go to tty1,2,3 etc
[07:27] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: but, the guest account is normal? how about other users? will you please login in tty, and create one..
[07:30] <ubuntu-studio> i tried creating another user but when i tried to login, it took the credentials and again displayed to login to the main user, that is my account
[07:31] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: what?
[07:31] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: you created a new user? and logged in? but, what happened?
[07:32] <holstein> the user *didnt* login, and you are kicked back to the login manager?
[07:32] <holstein> can you login as that user in tty?
[07:35] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: i go to sleep, friend, and it gets *quiet* in this channel.. please try #xubuntu and/or #ubuntu for you issue, since its not ubuntustudio specific, and there many not be any other volunteers around.. cheers!
[07:36] <ubuntu-studio> yes i am again being asked to login to my account
[15:01] <lazyPower> o/
[16:20] <LightAce> Hello all
[16:26] <seeliger> seeliger
[16:44] <it__> hello
[16:46] <it__> ubuntu studio isn-t recognizing any of my midi devices or audio interface (alesis i02) neither for recording audio nor for midi/input audio
[16:46] <it__> does this mean it would take a lot of work to have everything up and running?
[16:50] <it__> anybody there please?
[16:52] <it__> cat /dev/midi1 is moving so the system is really receiving midi signal
[16:52] <it__> why can't it just use it then?
[16:55] <it__> GMidi doesn't receive anything and I really don't understand why
[17:02] <it__> too bad :(


[04:36] <boydmcree> hello
[04:41] <boydmcree> trying to find help, installed PC BSD and my ubuntu disappeared
[05:28] <Nothing_Much> Hi anybody
[05:33] <ahoneybun> hey Nothing_Much
[05:33]  * ahoneybun grabs some water
[05:34] <Nothing_Much> What types of jobs are hard to lose?
[05:34] <ahoneybun> um when your the only one who knows how to fix something important?
[05:35] <Nothing_Much> huh
[05:35] <Nothing_Much> anybody in or near the lake mary region?
[05:36] <ahoneybun> I'm in the south
[05:36] <Nothing_Much> You mean North?
[05:37] <ahoneybun> pretty sure near Miami is south
[05:37] <ahoneybun> unless your in Key West
[05:37] <Nothing_Much> Oh, you meant Floridian south
[05:38] <Nothing_Much> Technically, the more northern you go in Florida, the more southern you become
[05:38] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:38] <Nothing_Much> I think that's why Florida has the Florida Man meme
[05:38] <Nothing_Much> It's as backwards as you can get
[05:40] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:40] <ahoneybun> sorry for double lol
[05:40] <Nothing_Much> np
[05:44] <Nothing_Much> but it's pretty crazy
[05:47] <ahoneybun> Florida?
[05:50] <Nothing_Much> yes
[05:50] <Nothing_Much> https://twitter.com/_floridaman


[23:24] <chilicuil> hi, I've read the iso testing call out, and I would like to help, I'm downloading the amd64 iso, and the server one, in the meantime I started looking at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qa/qa-open-bugs.html and I no see any diference between this an the 'normal' bugs in lp, why are they featured in that page?