[00:48] <xubuntu179> hello
[00:48] <cfhowlett> xubuntu179, greetings
[00:50] <xubuntu179> so I would like to start helping develop xubuntu and was wondering if someone could explain how getting involved works
[00:50] <cfhowlett> !contribute
[00:51] <xubuntu179> ok thanks
[00:57] <xubuntu179> #xubuntu-devel
[01:22] <xubuntu293> hello
[01:22] <xubuntu293> how can i configure key bindings on xcfe or thunar??
[01:31] <David-A> xubuntu293: do assign keys to do window manager functions, see Settings>WindowManager>Keyboard, to run any command or program, see Settings>Keyboard>ApplicationShortcuts
[01:54] <xubuntu293> i want to bind buttons to specific events
[02:01] <David-A> events?
[02:08] <xubuntu293> yeah, i want to bind mouse click event that is already binded to button1 to button9, so the computer can recognize it as a click
[02:09] <xubuntu293> i used xev to know button's names
[02:21] <David-A> xubuntu293: you can configure xbindkeys to run a command when either a mouse button or a key or key-combo is pressed
[02:22] <David-A> xubuntu293: you install it from the repository and configure it with a text file ~/.xbindkeysrc
[03:04] <slash0mega> can i install xubuntu from withing a ubuntu instalation?
[03:05] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, yes.
[03:05] <slash0mega> how would i go about that?
[03:05] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, to get a taste of the look and feel, sudo apt-get install xfce4    logout change the desktop environment, login
[03:05] <cfhowlett> (for lubuntu) sudo apt-get lxde
[03:06] <cfhowlett> if you like what you see, I'd advise downloading the ISO and clean install
[03:06] <cfhowlett> but
[03:06] <cfhowlett> you could try sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <cfhowlett> *clean install* really is better
[03:06] <slash0mega> well, i allready use xubuntu, the only problem is all i got is a old ubuntu live cd, and nothing more to burn on :(
[03:08] <slash0mega> is there a way to install the xubuntu iso into a partition on the hardrive and boot from there?
[03:08] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, so 2 ubuntus?
[03:08] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, if you only want to test try this:
[03:09] <cfhowlett> install virtualbox.  create a virtual machine.  install whatever on the machine.  fun!
[03:10] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, multiple OS's on one device are possible but very delicate.  virtualbox is *almost* idiot-proof and doesn't risk your system.
[03:10] <slash0mega> i used xubuntu in the past vie persistant usb disk, and now i am trying to install it to a old desktop,  but the old desktop dose not boot from usb :(
[03:10] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, so ... cdrom install?
[03:10] <slash0mega> no disks to burn to...
[03:11] <kryten> slash0mega: Please see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/340156/install-ubuntu-from-iso-image-directly-from-hard-disk-of-a-system-running-linux
[03:11] <cfhowlett> kryten, thanks!  (smeghead!(
[03:12] <kryten> Heh, welcome. :)
[03:14] <slash0mega> that looks like it will work, so i will give it a shot, thank you so much :D
[03:14] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, best of luck to you.
[03:15] <slash0mega> ill install ubuntu, then start trying to get the grub thing to work,
[03:16] <cfhowlett> slash0mega, this is an old box right?  xubuntu and lubuntu are optimized for older / lower spec devices.
[03:16] <slash0mega> yep :)
[03:55] <slash0mega> i do not have a grub.d folder
[03:58] <kryten> slash0mega: What version is your "old" Ubuntu then? (hopefully not too old)
[03:59] <slash0mega> 6.06
[03:59] <kryten> Holy crap. LOL
[03:59] <slash0mega> my unkle gave it to me, he had no idea how he got it. it was a offical install disk
[04:00] <kryten> It's from 1996...  :P
[04:01] <kryten> Yup. :D
[04:01] <slash0mega> ok,
[04:01] <slash0mega> still old, but not THAT old
[04:01] <kryten> Heh, too old though. :P
[04:01] <Unit193> Yeah, Xubuntu didn't exist back then, so yes old.
[04:02] <slash0mega> can i still add a iso to the grub menu in a less simple way?
[04:02] <kryten> Not with a Grub that old, nope.
[04:02] <slash0mega> how hard is it to update the grub?
[04:04] <kryten> Honestly, I'd rather get some CDs/DVDs to burn. :P
[04:04] <bazhang> a usb stick or a dvd
[04:05] <slash0mega> sigh, this machine is thwarting all my attemps to get it working at every turn :/ used the last of my burnable disks to try to install xp, but it would not accept my licens key, found a unburned dvd, but xubuntu on it, couldent read it because it was double layed, looked like it could read a usb stick, but couldent.... and now this, sigh
[04:05] <kryten> bazhang: USB boot doesn't work with his old machine though.
[04:05] <bazhang> kryten, there are workaround s for that
[04:06] <kryten> Yeah, I know.
[04:06] <slash0mega> oh?
[04:06] <bazhang> sounds like the easiest would be to get a friend / LUG to burn a DVD for you though
[04:06] <kryten> But those aren't simpler than just getting and burning a CD/DVD. :P
[04:06] <slash0mega> of course
[04:07] <bazhang> so look into that
[04:12] <slash0mega> can doing this ruin my flash drive?
[04:12] <slash0mega> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/booting-linux-from-usb-zip-on-older-systems/
[04:16] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ ?
[04:19] <kryten> For that, you'll have to create a Plop CD though... :P
[04:19] <slash0mega> sadly, what i am trying to do is boot without any burning at all..... i am probaly going to have too, but i will keep working on this untill i am abile to get more dvds
[04:20] <slesher> slash0mega: i missed the first part of the conversation.  do you have a flash drive that you can boot off of instead of a cd?
[04:21] <slash0mega> i do have a flash drive, but my computer can not boot from it (though apparently it can boot from a "usb-zip")
[04:21] <slesher> ahh, ok
[04:21] <slash0mega> eh, its a 4gig flash drive, easily replacable, i am going to try that portable linux artical
[04:21] <slesher> slash0mega: is there an OS on that computer right now?
[04:22] <slash0mega> a really old ubuntu
[04:22] <slesher> see if this helps
[04:22] <slesher> http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Linux-without-a-CD-or-USB-Stick-Using-UNetBootIn
[04:25] <slash0mega> that.... looks like what i need, thank you very much :D
[04:25] <slesher>  np :)
[04:39] <slash0mega> how can i open a text editorr in root? i tried to add a packaged but failed, and now i am trying to remove them
[04:40] <slesher> nano is a pretty simple command line text editor
[04:40] <slesher> # nano filename
[04:40] <slesher> or sudo nano filename
[04:42] <slash0mega> how to save changes in nano?
[04:43] <slesher> ctrl+x, it will ask you if you want to save
[04:43] <slash0mega> thank you :D
[04:43] <slesher> np
[04:45] <slash0mega> hm, 7zip is not in my software installer
[04:45] <ObrienDave> try 7z
[04:47] <slash0mega> i think mits too old :( giving me 404 when i tried to update the list
[04:47] <slash0mega> trying command line
[04:47] <ObrienDave> try changing the version from saucy to raring
[04:49] <slash0mega> what i am needing are two programs for it , mtools and p7zip-full
[04:49] <slash0mega> i was hopping sudo apt-get mtools would get it
[04:50] <ObrienDave> let me check my source list, sec
[04:53] <bazhang> !info unp
[04:54] <ObrienDave> synaptic properties shows: Utilities (universe)
[04:54] <ObrienDave> for 7zip
[04:54] <ObrienDave> p7zip-full
[04:56] <slash0mega> what am i doing?
[04:56] <ObrienDave> which repo is giving you the 404?
[04:58] <slash0mega> universe main and restricted i think, its giving full urls
[04:59] <slash0mega> in the url is /dist/dapper/
[04:59] <slash0mega> they look like this fully
[05:00] <slash0mega> http://archive/ubuntu/com/ubuntu/dist/dapper/universe/binary-i386/packages/gz
[05:00] <slash0mega> .gz, not /gx
[05:00] <slash0mega> gz
[05:00] <ObrienDave> dapper is no longer supported
[05:00] <slash0mega> figured
[05:01] <ObrienDave> which Xubuntu you running?
[05:01] <ObrienDave> 13.10?
[05:02] <slash0mega> latest, got the .iso last week
[05:02] <slash0mega> 12.10 sounds right
[05:02] <slash0mega> 13.10
[05:02] <ObrienDave> then, where did you get the dapper repo? that does not make sense
[05:03] <slash0mega> currently though, the computer is running a acent 6.06 ubuntu install
[05:03] <slash0mega> which i am trying to use unetbootin to fix, but it needs those two programs installed to work right
[05:05] <ObrienDave> oh, I don't think you can go from dapper to saucy. too far apart
[05:06] <ObrienDave> that's like 7 years difference. you might have to go to an older version first
[05:07] <ObrienDave> look here for later versions
[05:07] <slash0mega> a older 7zip or a older unetbootin
[05:07] <ObrienDave> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[05:07] <slash0mega> can only use the disk i have, no blank medias
[05:10] <ObrienDave> no USB stick?
[05:10] <ObrienDave> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/lucid/p7zip-full/
[05:11] <ObrienDave> oldest version I can find
[05:12] <slash0mega> is arch linux a distribution?
[05:12] <ObrienDave> yes
[05:15] <slash0mega> ok, can do without the mtools then, as that is only needed for arch linux, now i just need to figur out how to get 7zip on here
[05:15] <slash0mega> found the package from the website, but it returend a error
[05:16] <ObrienDave> have you tried a dist-upgrade?
[05:16] <slash0mega> error: dependancy is not satisfiable: libc6
[05:16] <slash0mega> will that upgrade ubuntu as a whole?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, from 6.05?  unlikely
[05:17] <cfhowlett> 6.06
[05:17] <ObrienDave> was not really sure. thought it might be worth a shot ;)
[05:18] <slash0mega> sigh, might jsut have to wait till i can get some dvd... i was really hoping i could get this wokring tonight, oh well...
[05:19] <ObrienDave> how are you running the 13.10 ISO?
[05:20] <slash0mega> havent ran the iso yet. thats what i was trying to get working
[05:21] <slash0mega> using this tutoreal http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Linux-without-a-CD-or-USB-Stick-Using-UNetBootIn
[05:21] <slash0mega> but if the old ubuntu wont install 7zip, cant use that program to install xubuntu
[05:25] <ObrienDave> do you have a USB stick available?
[05:26] <slash0mega> yes, but the computer will only accept a usb-zip :( got this tutoreal but not sure if it can ruin my thmbstick
[05:26] <slash0mega> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/booting-linux-from-usb-zip-on-older-systems/
[05:29] <ObrienDave> sorry, my Xchat went wonky
[05:29] <ObrienDave> yea, I'm not liking the Zip drive kludge.
[05:30] <slash0mega> tis ok
[05:30] <ObrienDave> I would suggest buying a 8GB USB stick. less than 10 bucks at walmart
[05:31] <slash0mega> how would i use the stick? wont accept normal usb
[05:32] <ObrienDave> oh dang, yea sorry. still tired from work
[05:32] <slash0mega> i will probaly have to buy some burnable dvds
[05:32] <ObrienDave> yea, get the RWs. I've used the same one for 2 or 3 years ;)
[05:35] <slash0mega> oh? defenetly getting one of those then
[05:36] <ObrienDave> check your burner specs. make sure you get either +RW or -RW depending on the specs
[05:36] <ObrienDave> some burners support both formats. not all do
[05:37] <slash0mega> no label on my laptop :/ but it is pretty new
[05:37] <slash0mega> what about reading?
[05:37] <slash0mega> i had a double layer dvd, and it failed to work in it
[05:38] <ObrienDave> depends on the drive specs. you will have to look them up
[05:38] <slash0mega> burning worked, but not playback on the computer i am trying to install too
[05:38] <ObrienDave> you need the reader's specs
[05:39] <slash0mega> well, its late. goodnight, and thanks for all the help
[05:40] <ObrienDave> better yet, look at BOTH drives specs. buy the disks that match both drives
[05:40] <ObrienDave> No prob. good night
[06:16] <galvanize> anyone upgraded Chromium to version 30 recently?
[06:17] <galvanize> a mysterious line appears at the top
[06:18] <galvanize> 1 pixel height. which is a menu bar without text
[06:18] <ObrienDave> uses Google Chrome
[06:19] <galvanize> ObrienDave: which version?
[06:20] <ObrienDave> 30.0.1599.114
[06:21] <galvanize> ObrienDave: what happens when you click top left pixel in the maximized Chrome window?
[06:22] <ObrienDave> umm, nothing
[06:22] <galvanize> weird. it's chromium specific bug then
[06:23] <galvanize> mine triggers the "File" menu
[06:23] <ObrienDave> sorry, I do get some kind of window menu. max, min, close, etc.
[06:24] <ObrienDave> it's the same menu clicking on the chrome icon
[06:27] <galvanize> ObrienDave: could you move the mouse horizontally after clicking there?
[06:27] <ObrienDave> yea sure
[06:30] <user> hi all. is there any way to prevent (as administrator super-user) all other users to delete chrome's history and prevent them to manage the deleting history chrome's option?
[06:36] <cfhowlett> user, I saw something like this the other day.  The sysadmin had removed the "delete history" option from the browswer.  so probably a browser specific setting
[06:39] <akis63> fhowlett: so, what do i have to do? remove what?
[06:40] <cfhowlett> akis63, if it's a browser setting, you're going to have to check there.  Chromium is a google product, so ask google.
[06:43] <akis63> cfhowlett: chrome offers the option to any user to delete history and its contents. there is the possibility to disable this option, but any user can enable it again using his account. my question is if the admin can disable this option with a command or any otehr action using the privileges of admin.
[06:43] <cfhowlett> I know. I am not a chrome developer.  This is not chrome support.  Ask google.  They'll know how.
[06:44] <akis63> i mean if there a way for admin to stop users managing their chrome browser
[06:44] <cfhowlett> *yes it can be done.  NO I don't know how*
[06:45] <qwerty__> what all is needed for the sound to work in xfce4?
[06:45] <ObrienDave> try xubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:46] <ObrienDave> contains codecs, etc.
[06:47] <qwerty__> i have an ac97 sound card i think
[06:47] <ObrienDave> not sure about that card
[06:47] <cfhowlett> qwerty__, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:48] <well_laid_lawn> qwerty__:  I'd start by opening alsamixer in a terminal and unmuting everything and turning everything up
[06:48] <qwerty__> http://paste.debian.net/64041/
[06:49] <leif_> greetings
[06:49] <qwerty__> how do i open alsamixer in a terminal?
[06:49] <cfhowlett> leif_, greetings
[06:49] <leif_> :)
[06:50] <leif_> how does xubuntu dif from ubuntu gnome
[06:50] <well_laid_lawn> qwerty__:  in a terminal type   alsamixer   and hit enter
[06:50] <qwerty__> ok thats what i thought, its not there
[06:50] <well_laid_lawn> !info alsa-utils
[06:51] <well_laid_lawn> qwerty__:  looks like you'll have to install alsa-utils
[06:51] <qwerty__> it says alsa-utils is the newest version but i cant run alsamixer
[06:52] <well_laid_lawn> what happens when you try ?
[06:52] <cfhowlett> leif_, essentially gnome = ubuntu with gnome desktop, xubuntu = xfce4 desktop.  beyond that, xubuntu is loads lighter on your system
[06:52] <leif_> ok
[06:53] <leif_> maybe a day i can help whit dev of xubuntu
[06:53] <cfhowlett> leif_, lubuntu / xubuntu are optimized for older/slower machines
[06:53] <leif_> ok
[06:53] <cfhowlett> !contribute
[06:53] <leif_> cool
[06:53] <qwerty__> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[06:53] <leif_> thanks
[06:54] <well_laid_lawn> qwerty__:  sounds like there isn't a kernel module being loaded for the sound card
[06:54] <well_laid_lawn> try   lsmod | grep snd
[06:55] <qwerty__> http://paste.debian.net/64043/
[06:56] <well_laid_lawn> looks like there's enough modules there
[06:57] <qwerty__> thats what i thought haha
[06:57] <qwerty__> i messed around with my window manager and display manager quite a bit if that matters
[06:57] <well_laid_lawn> shouldn't
[06:58] <well_laid_lawn> try    lspci | grep -i audio   to get the audio card
[06:58] <well_laid_lawn> and we'll see if there's any known issues with it
[06:59] <qwerty__> http://paste.debian.net/64044/
[06:59] <ObrienDave> can't understand why alsamixer wont run for you
[07:01] <qwerty__> im using openbox if that matters
[07:01] <qwerty__> with xfce4 panel
[07:04] <akis63> does 'Activities and Privacy Manager Tool' actually record any URL visited?
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> qwerty__:  the one issue I found on the net about that card had removing pulseaudio as the solution
[07:08] <qwerty__> ill give it a go
[07:11] <qwerty__> i removed it, should i reboot now?
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> I would just to make sure
[07:12] <qwerty__> ok ill be back
[07:12] <Hempathy> Hi guys, n00b to Xu... where do I find synaptic?
[07:12] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:12] <ObrienDave> terminal
[07:13] <Hempathy> already installed man
[07:13] <Hempathy> where do I pull in=t from the gui?
[07:13] <ObrienDave> system menu
[07:14] <Hempathy> doh! swear it wasn;t there the last 5 times I looked
[07:16] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[07:16] <Hempathy> haha just checking
[07:16] <Hempathy> I already have the bits of the studio installed that I use
[07:16] <Hempathy> is the desktop worthwhile?
[07:17] <ObrienDave> it will kill XFCE. You just need the studio packages
[07:18] <cfhowlett> Hempathy, XFCE is the desktop environment - you already have tit
[07:18] <cfhowlett> *IT*
[07:18] <cfhowlett> sorry.  tourette's
[07:18] <ObrienDave> typos, gotta love them ;)
[07:19] <qwerty__> ok with pulseaudio removed
[07:19] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[07:20] <qwerty__> well_laid_lawn: im back
[07:21] <Hempathy> churs man, already have those
[07:21] <cfhowlett> Hempathy, as I said, US is not the plug-ins, it's the apps.
[07:21] <ObrienDave> qwerty__ sound working now?
[07:22] <qwerty__> when i click on the xfce-mixer plugin it says  Gstreamer was unable to detect any sound devices ....
[07:23] <ObrienDave> install gstreamer ugly plugins
[07:24] <ObrienDave> might as well do the good and bad plugins as well. can't hurt
[07:24] <Hempathy> cfhowlett, coolio, I have the audio too
[07:24] <cfhowlett> hemphttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[07:24] <Hempathy> & I have no need for video,
[07:25] <cfhowlett> Hempathy, sudo apt-get install audio meta-package      would pull only those
[07:25] <ObrienDave> you can always install that package later if need be
[07:25] <cfhowlett> but I'd go for the desktop meta as well to get the menu integrations
[07:26] <cfhowlett> and change to the US theme for full effect
[07:31] <Shirakawasuna> does anyone know how to disable thunderbird's taskbar entry flashing when new mail is received? I recently cleaned out ~/.config and am not sure what would have done it
[08:39] <_william_> salut
[16:42] <brauleinchen> could not apply changes, fix broken packages first, that is when I try to install vlc from the repo: xubuntu 13.10 64 bits, recently upgraded
[16:42] <brauleinchen> what do I do?
[16:54] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo dpkg --remove -force --force-remove-reinstreq package name
[16:54] <GridCube> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=947124
[17:49] <xubuntu789> i'm new to xubuntu. i have it installed on my laptop and want to access my nas, but i'm not sure how to do that?
[17:50] <slesher> xubuntu789: if you open file manager and click on Browse Network at the bottom, does it show up automatically?
[17:52] <xubuntu789> nope, it's not there.
[17:57] <xubuntu789> found it
[17:58] <xubuntu789> user error :)
[17:59] <xubuntu218> ?upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10, now get gray screen + mouse (cant do anything). what to do?
[19:00] <toumbo> Hi to all! I want to make some of hardware keys of my keyboard to work. fujitsu SK-2500-2D
[19:00] <toumbo> however I don't now how to do it :(
[19:01] <toumbo> In gnome and kde works though
[19:02] <toumbo> the keys are: play, stop, pause
[19:03] <toumbo> rewind and fast forward
[20:12] <ThomasD_> Hallo, ist hier jemand, der mir bei der installtion von xubuntu helfen kann?
[20:13] <ThomasD_> Is ther somebody who can help me?
[20:14] <bekks> ThomasD_: Start asking a question about your real problem doing so then :)
[20:15] <ThomasD_> i want to install xubuntu, but the setup stops at the point of formatting the hd
[20:15] <bekks> So which settings did you choose?
[20:16] <bekks> And which version of xubuntu are you using?
[20:16] <ThomasD_> ive tryed v13.10 and 12.04
[20:18] <ThomasD_> now i'm running the system without the hd in live mode
[20:18] <ThomasD_> this seems to be ok
[20:18] <ThomasD_> but if i put the hd into the laptop an boot with it, then i got also some errors
[20:19] <elfy> ThomasD_: what people need to know - is what type of formatting did you choose and what sort of errors do you get
[20:19] <elfy> try and be specific - we see all sorts of issues :)
[20:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Makes me wonder if the hdd is flaky
[20:22] <ThomasD_> at first i have create a new partition table. Then i create 4 partitions. 1. /boot ext2  2. /swap swap 3. / ext4  4. /home ext4
[20:22] <bekks> ThomasD_: Which partition types? primary/extended?
[20:24] <ThomasD_> 1. is primary and 2. - 4. logical
[20:25] <bekks> ThomasD_: Thats impossible.
[20:26] <bekks> ThomasD_: logical partitions can be created in an extended partition only. So whats your real partition layout please?
[20:29] <ThomasD_> i've followed the instructions on this site (right row): http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Manuelle_Partitionierung#Neue-Partitionstabelle-erstellen
[20:34] <ThomasD_> i take a photo of the screen and upload it. Please wait, because i have to reboot the system.
[21:04] <ThomasD_> I'm back. Here are the photos of my installation screen: http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/2tlynq6icbv9syxpheqft6w55du8o0dq/
[21:08] <ThomasD_> Are these the correct settings?
[21:10] <TheSheep> ThomasD_: looks good, I would make the swap at least as big as your whole ram, so that you can hibernate though
[21:11] <ThomasD_> i got 512 mb ram.
[21:11] <TheSheep> oh
[21:11] <ThomasD_> i think 1024 its enough
[21:11] <TheSheep> it looks good then
[21:12] <ThomasD_> its a very old notebook
[21:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> can't be as old as my eeepc 701, or this Gateway 450sx4 I'm using right now.
[21:12] <TheSheep> I have a 386 here somewhere...
[21:13] <ThomasD_> after clicking install i got the screen to select my time zone, but after that the installation stucks
[21:13] <TheSheep> ThomasD_: anything in the console?
[21:13] <TheSheep> ThomasD_: you can switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1, f2, etc.
[21:14] <TheSheep> alt + ctrl + f7 goes back to the graphical environment
[21:14] <ThomasD_> i have to try.
[21:14] <TheSheep> by the way, formatting can take a while
[21:15] <ThomasD_> but i should see the blinking of the hd led, or?
[21:15] <TheSheep> yeah, probably
[21:16] <TheSheep> there should be a log file there too
[21:16] <ThomasD_> because the system do nothing.
[21:16] <TheSheep> which has detailed information
[21:16] <TheSheep> ubiquity.log or something like that
[21:19] <ThomasD_> i got also problems to get into the live mode
[21:20] <TheSheep> any error messages?
[21:20] <ThomasD_> not on screen
[21:21] <ThomasD_> maybe in log files, but i don't reach the point to open this files
[21:21] <TheSheep> you could experiment with some kernel boot options, maybe
[21:21] <TheSheep> !boot
[21:21] <ThomasD_> could it be that my hd is damaged?
[21:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I did suggest that earlier
[21:22] <TheSheep> It could be anything, from faulty hardware, through non-standard or badly supported hardware, to just simply a bug in ubuntu itself
[21:22] <TheSheep> it's hard to say without any hints
[21:23] <TheSheep> if it's badly supported hardware or a bug, there may be a workaround
[21:23] <ThomasD_> ok, i will try to start with other boot options and open some log files
[21:23] <TheSheep> ThomasD_: did you try googling for "ubuntu" and your laptop's make and model?
[21:24] <TheSheep> ThomasD_: or searching the forums? often there are people who had similar problems but found a solution
[21:25] <ThomasD_> i have searched for it on google
[21:25] <ThomasD_> but that are older versions
[21:26] <ThomasD_> for a long time i had installed ubuntu 8 on this noteboot and there were no problems
[21:28] <ThomasD_> now i've tried to get into the console while the installation stucks. But the system don't react.
[21:29] <ThomasD_> the problem is bigger and i will use a forum to get some help. Thanks all for your help. Bye
[22:22] <roninn> next debian will be with xfce4?
[22:23] <bekks> roninn: Doesnt matter in here.
[22:32] <teratoma> im running latest xubuntu, on thinkpad x201 with Intel 6200 AGN wireless using iwlwifi driver.  wireless works after boot.  wireless stops working after suspend.  what do i do?
[22:39] <brainwash> teratoma: that's most likely bug 1184262
[22:40] <teratoma> i will try  like it says
[22:40] <teratoma> nmcli nm sleep false
[22:41] <brainwash> please read comment #73
[22:42] <brainwash> for a proper fix


[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[17:51] <vip> hi there
[17:55] <vip> I'm using latest testing plasma on disco, has anybody noticed window bug, when resizing a window (that was vertically maximized), it goes to full maximize?
[18:01] <vip> Gonna check it on fresh profile
[18:04] <vip> hmm, it is fine on fresh profile..
[18:36] <RikMills> odd
[18:37] <vip> (I'm going to test on neon-testing)
[18:37] <vip> on fresh profile, the window is "jumping down"


[01:23] <gnomefreak> is LP having issues? or is it just me?
[01:23] <AlinuxOS> doko, ping
[01:24] <gnomefreak> it keeps timing out while trying to report a bug
[01:24] <gnomefreak> the OPPSID is OOPS-551D5572
[01:24] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/551D5572
[01:33] <kiko> gnomefreak, just launchpad timing out on +filebug..
[01:33] <gnomefreak> thats what it seems since i can go to homepage
[01:33] <gnomefreak> there we go
[01:53] <kiko> gnomefreak, flacoste and Bjorn are working on a fix for that for this cycle
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #124298 in launchpad "Changelog link at (source) to check last modifications" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124298
[02:35] <lifeless> what happened to triaged ?
[02:35] <kiko> it got implemented?
[02:36] <lifeless> kiko: I can't see to see it as an option in a bug I was changing in bzr-avahi
[02:38] <lifeless> all I see are new incomplete invalid confirmed in progress  fix committed, fix released
[02:39] <kiko> lifeless, that's because triaged is restricted
[02:39] <kiko> to bug contacts
[02:39] <lifeless> bzr-avahi is in the bazaar project
[02:39] <lifeless> which is owned by ~bzr
[02:39] <lifeless> and i'm in ~bzr
[02:39] <lifeless> surely that gives me the ability to set triaged
[02:40] <lifeless> if it doesn't, is it oversight or deliberate?
[02:40] <kiko> incomplete implementation
[02:41] <kiko> but there are no such things as project bug contacts
[02:41] <lifeless> I don't see why bug contact is needed if you are the owner.
[02:41] <kiko> file a bug
[02:41] <kiko> it's a good point
[02:42] <lifeless> In this case I don't want to be mailed about bzr-avahi bugs in general; I do know enough to say that the bug is triaged and lp should be able to infer that.
[02:42] <lifeless> ok, will do
[02:43] <lifeless> on malone or launchpad ?
[02:43] <kiko> malone
[02:43] <lifeless> done
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #124303 in malone "project owners should be able to triage bugs in the project	group's products." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124303
[03:25] <shirish> guys does anybody know how to make the quote work, as Chris Wagner has managed to do in https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/1734/comments/14
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1734 in malone "Need ability to mark bug comments as obsolete" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[04:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:01] <ajmitch> hello mpt
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #124329 in rosetta ""Translations" active tab border is missing" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124329
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #124342 in malone "By status sorting should be in reverse" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124342
[09:10] <carlos> morning
[09:10] <Hobbsee> morning carlos!
[09:43] <lifeless> jamesh: can you allocate reviews whilst I"m gone ?
[09:54] <jamesh> lifeless: okay
[09:55] <lifeless> thanks. I've asked for input from steve/kiko but not heard anything
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #124356 in malone "cannot eject volume" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124356
[11:42] <kiko> lifeless, sorry, I had too much email, but was going to reply today
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #106756 in gnome-app-install ""Search for suitable codec" dialog not translated/translatable" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106756
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #124379 in malone "Make bug list navigatable from within the bug pages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124379
[01:20] <cprov> good morning, folks !
[01:36] <gnomefreak> how do i remove a task completely and start over on LP bugs?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: You can't remove tasks.
[01:49] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: i noticed. its been handled though thank you
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #87632 in apport (main) "'System > Report a problem...' should collect bugs when offline to send later (dup-of: 99127)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87632
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #124338 in apport (main) "[feature request]  apport/launchpad possibility to attach apport report to already reported bugs (dup-of: 85040)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124338
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Hm, that doesn't look right.
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #124396 in blueprint "No email notification after requesting feedback on a blueprint" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124396
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hiya cprov
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: no climbing for you, then?
[05:21] <mthaddon> unfortunately not - maybe later :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> awwww... raining, or something?
[05:22] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi there
[05:22] <Hobbsee> cprov: :)
[05:23] <mthaddon> nah, working...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  yes, that tends to ge tin the way
[05:23] <mthaddon> yep :(
[06:21] <fjlacoste> hey guys, i rebooted due to a flaky wireless connection
[06:22] <fjlacoste> and my laptop now refuses to boot with the message "time-of-day clock stopped"
[06:22] <fjlacoste> kind of freaky<
[06:22] <fjlacoste> looks like i'm affected by bug 43745
[06:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43745 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Ubuntu corrupts real time clock on some dell laptops" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43745 - Assigned to Ben Collins (ben-collins)
[06:23] <fjlacoste> i'm googling for work-around right now on my gf computer
[06:28] <Rinchen> ah there is fjlacoste
[06:32] <fjlacoste> Rinchen: i can't privmsg here (not registered)
[06:33] <Rinchen> fjlacoste, ah no worries
[06:33] <Rinchen> fjlacoste, I think I figured out your intentions
[06:34] <fjlacoste> Rinchen: I'm sure you have
[06:35] <fjlacoste> Rinchen: i'm going to try removing the coin-cell battery to see if it solves my problem
[06:35] <fjlacoste> crosses your fingers for me :-)
[06:35] <Rinchen> :-)
[06:42] <fjlacoste> any tricks for a screw that is jammed in and for which the head is starting to crumble?
[06:42] <kiko> fjlacoste, take it to a professional
[06:42] <kiko> seriously
[06:42] <kiko> it happens frequently with cleat screws
[06:42] <kiko> and the more you mess with them
[06:42] <kiko> the harder it is to get them out later
[06:43] <kiko> a real workshop will put in a drill and reverse thread
[06:43] <kiko> they might also use heat and cold
[06:44] <kiko> fjlacoste, what's the size of the screw?
[06:44] <fjlacoste> 3mm
[06:44] <fjlacoste> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins640m/en/SM/hingecvr.htm#wp1127833
[06:45] <fjlacoste> the one on the left is screwed tight
[06:45] <fjlacoste> i didn't have any problems unscrewing the other one
[06:45] <kiko> fjlacoste, is this a dell laptop? har har
[06:45] <kiko> fjlacoste, take it to a watch workshop
[06:45] <kiko> they have the materials to deal with that dimension of screw
[06:46] <fjlacoste> watch workshop... i'll try that
[06:47] <kiko> where they fix watches
[06:47] <kiko> and other assorted nonsense
[06:47] <kiko> bbiab
[06:47] <fjlacoste> there is one about three blocks away from here
[06:47] <kiko-fud> are they friendly?
[06:48] <fjlacoste> no idea
[06:48] <fjlacoste> i'll find out :-)
[06:48] <kiko-fud> it helps if they are
[06:48] <kiko-fud> good luck :)
[06:48] <fjlacoste> thx, i'll need it it seems
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #124428 in blueprint "Unsubmittable +addspec form for empty project groups" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124428
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #124433 in launchpad-bazaar "nonsensical error in branch url validation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124433
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #124434 in launchpad-answers "Unsubmittable +addquestion form for empty project groups" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124434
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #124441 in launchpad-bazaar "register-branch xmlrpc does not correctly validate url" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124441
[07:47] <flacoste> the guy at the watch repair store was friendly, but wasn't able to unscrew the screw
[07:48] <flacoste> the cross is now really round :-(
[07:48] <flacoste> guess, I'll have to call Dell and see what they can do
[09:13] <flacoste> kiko: ping
[09:14] <kiko> ongp
[11:13] <jimqode> is there a problem with rosetta? There are 8 errors in the translations you provided. Please correct them before continuing.
[11:13] <jimqode> I never got this error before


[06:41] <hot_wheelz> hi
[06:42] <hot_wheelz> anyone know why mics seem to to muted by default in 10.10..on laptops anyway?...I could never work it out?
[06:47] <head_victim> Not sure, it's not something that's constantly in use by people though I'd imagine most people unmute it when wanting to use it and then mute it again when they're finished (I do that with a hardware switch on my mic here at home)
[06:51] <hot_wheelz> hed_victim so it is all mics not just those on laptops...Right?
[06:52] <head_victim> I haven't tested the theory but quite possible
[06:53] <hot_wheelz> ok thanks again mate\
[06:59] <hot_wheelz> head_victim u there?
[07:00] <head_victim> In and out :) Procrastinating over some paperwork
[07:03] <hot_wheelz> would u mind having a look at that  arduino ppa for me pls i couldn't find a contact yesterday when i checked :-)
[07:06] <head_victim> hot_wheelz: the ppa is https://launchpad.net/~arduino-ubuntu-team/+archive/ppa right? About half way down the page is a note "For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact "Arduino on UBuntu Packagers".
[07:06] <hot_wheelz> head_victim thanks
[07:07] <head_victim> No worries :D
[09:04] <hot_wheelz> anyone got earcandy working?
[09:09] <head_victim> Didn't even know it existed to be honest
[09:16] <hot_wheelz> head_victim do u know what's for?
[09:16] <head_victim> Yeah I looked it up after you mentioned it
[09:16] <hot_wheelz> head_victim nice eh
[09:17] <head_victim> Don't know I'd use it, I mute all sytem sounds as it is.
[09:17] <hot_wheelz> head_victim ok
[12:30] <iflema> lubotu2 tell iflema about syn


[23:30] <blueyed> Or should I patch it in debian/rules install, e.g. with "sed"?
[23:30]  * persia suggests not using sed to patch files: it makes life exceeedingly painful for later security fixes.
[23:31] <bddebian> Aye
[23:32] <blueyed> Hmm.. so I would activate dpatch in debian/rules (have to lookup how to do it) and remove the patch currently listed in 00list from there?
[23:32] <blueyed> From the debian changelog it does not look like the patch got dropped: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cuetools/cuetools_1.3.1-1/changelog
[23:33] <blueyed> (maybe I'm still missing where it gets applied!)
[23:34] <blueyed> I'll email the debian packager.
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blueyed: you shouldnt need to run dpatch to remove a patch just comment it out in 00list or remove it from there
[23:43] <gnomefreak> remove patch itself if you are sure you wont need it
[23:44]  * gnomefreak uses # just incase i need it again
[23:47] <stani> persia: Which version number should I use for the SRU package of spe: from spe_0.8.2a+repack-1 to spe_0.8.2a+repack-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.04 (suggested by jdong)?
[23:48] <blueyed> gnomefreak: the point is, patches/ looks like dpatch is used, but what-patch says "unknown" and dpatch does not get invoked in rules. So if I add my patch, I'll have to drop the patch which is supposed to be there.
[23:48] <persia> stani: Which version is the fixed-in-hardy version?
[23:48] <gnomefreak> blueyed: ah ok
[23:51] <stani> persia: hardy is now still at spe (0.8.2a+repack-1) [universe]. (Later I will try to get spe-0.8.4.c in debian sid & hardy through PAPT.)
[23:51] <persia> stani: More generally, from browsing the archives for previous SRUs, I believe best practice is to use a version number as I.J.K-XUbuntuY.Z, where I, J, and K are defined to match the upstream, X is the Debian revision, Y is the Ubuntu revision being updated, and Z is the number of the update.
[23:52] <jdong> persia: spe has stayed at the same version for 3 releases (including hardy)
[23:52] <jdong> persia: I've noticed most updates that way have a XubuntuY.Z.0.7.04 type of version number
[23:52] <persia> stani: So, in your specific case, I suggest 0.8.2a+repack-1ubuntu0.1 for a gutsy SRU.  For feisty, you'll want to apply the same logic.
[23:52] <jdong> but anyway, you are the expert at this :)
[23:53] <persia> jdong: That's not what I'm seeing from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz
[23:53] <stani> persia: yes but the debian package contains 'repack', that should be kept as this is an ubuntu specific fix (not to loose the connection with debian package) or not?
[23:53] <jdong> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz
[23:53] <jdong> Binary: dircproxy
[23:53] <jdong> Version: 1.0.5-4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:53] <persia> jdong: Note that some packages are done that way, and the only firm rule is that a version number be crafted to be greater than the version to be updated, and less than the version in development.
[23:54] <jdong> (stayed at same version)
[23:54] <persia> stani: "I.J.K" == "0.8.2a+repack" in this case.
[23:54] <jdong> persia: ok, yeah, so as long as feisty < gutsy < hardy we're all good :)
[23:54] <persia> jdong: Actually, we can have feisty == gutsy < hardy, as well.
[23:55] <jdong> persia: true; that works too
[23:55] <jdong> might be best for spe just to do a 1ubuntu0.1 then
[23:56] <persia> Looking at gutsy-updates, only iceape seems to use the 0.7.10 syntax.  The others are all .Z
[23:57] <stani> persia: "0.8.2a+repack-1ubuntu0.1" would be then the same on feisty, this would seem logic as there is no difference in patch between, feisty, gutsy and hardy
[23:58] <persia> stani: Hardy needs to be 0.8.2a+repack-1ubuntu1
[23:58] <persia> (and needs to be uploaded first, and tested)
[23:58] <proppy> persia: I get unittest++ into debian :)
[23:58] <persia> (and yes, feisty and gutsy may be the same)
[23:58] <proppy> persia: -2 on the way
[23:59] <persia> proppy: Excellent.  I believe the sync is up to ~m, so it should be in hardy soon.
[23:59] <proppy> persia: once -2 is uploaded I will ask for a sync in hardy :)
[23:59] <stani> persia: so the sequence is first hardy, then gutsy, then feisty?
[23:59] <persia> proppy: No need prior to DebianImportFreeze (December, I believe)
[23:59] <proppy> persia: I made a mistake with the section on -1 so I won't ask to sync yet
[23:59] <proppy> persia: yep but I'm afraid to forget


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26]  * Unit193 slowpokes barry.
[07:50] <dholbach> Unit193, barry is very likely asleep
[07:50] <Unit193> dholbach: Yep, it happens.
[07:50] <Unit193> He'll be unasleep sometime.
[08:57] <pvlos> hello guys, is there any ETA for backported packages about apache regarding Logjam attack?
[10:15] <pvlos> anybody around?
[10:16] <Rhonda> never
[10:17] <Laney> pvlos: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu-server if it's a security fix
[10:20] <pvlos> Laney: thanks
[10:20] <Laney> or #ubuntu-hardened, but either should work as a first step
[10:20] <pvlos> Laney: asked already in -hardened but no answer yet
[10:20] <Laney> okay
[13:20] <barry> Unit193: yawn! :)
[17:34] <slackner> hello, i was wondering a bit how to proceed with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1437520 - so far this packaging request was ignored, and as i just heard in a different channel Maarten lankhorst, the previous wine maintainer, is not hired by canonical anymore. who is responsible now?
[17:34] <slackner> we from the wine staging team would also do the packaging of vanilla wine versions if noone else wants to take over this task, currently it is terribly outdated (1.7.38).
[17:37] <Unit193> !info wine-development
[17:39] <DarkPlayer> slackner was referring to the ubuntu-wine ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[17:40] <Unit193> Yeah, guessed.
[17:40] <slackner> wasn't aware that there is also a wine-development package in newer versions, but as it seems its even more outdated
[17:40] <Unit193> !info wine-development wily
[17:40] <DarkPlayer> since winehq does not accept bug reports for the stable versions, users are forced to get the wine version from some ppa if they don't want to build from source
[17:41] <slackner> current one is 1.7.43, so still outdated *g* ;)
[17:41] <Unit193> I'm just checking what's in the repos now. :P
[17:43] <slackner> are these packages just ported from debian? or who is responsible? we would like to proceed somehow with resolving bug 1437520 or at least hear some opinions ^^
[17:44] <DarkPlayer> Maintainer: Debian Wine Party<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:44] <DarkPlayer> Uploaders:  Michael Gilbert<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Stephen Kitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:44] <DarkPlayer> looks like the debian package
[17:47] <micahg> slackner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages?upid=9399#Packaging_it_yourself would be the next step if no one else wants to do it
[17:47] <micahg> have you contacted the wine team in Debian
[17:47] <micahg> that's probably the best bet
[17:48] <micahg> https://pkg-wine.alioth.debian.org/
[17:49] <DarkPlayer> micahg: there was already a bug report in debian for adding wine staging (from someone else), but it didn't receive any attention
[17:51] <slackner> micahg: i am not sure if this has changed now that mlankhorst doesn't seem to be responsible anymore, but so far the ubuntu wine packages were packaged by ubuntu directly
[17:51] <DarkPlayer> moreover, debian also only provides the stable version and their solution to rename all executables in the wine-development package is more than hacky
[17:52] <slackner> micahg: and as DarkPlayer already said, based on the previous discussions debian didn't seem to be very interested, so we would prefer to get into ubuntu directly - ubuntu seems to be much more user friendly and also applied patches for pulseaudio support in the past, for example ;)
[17:57] <micahg> last update from the Ubuntu maintainer was 6 months ago, so, generally, it's usually good for Ubuntu specific packages to have a dedicated team or maintainer that'll look after it as Debian has that for its packages, it's technically not a requirement, but without that, the package is likely to get out of date
[17:58] <DarkPlayer> we wouldn't have a problem with maintaining the vanilla wine package together with wine-staging
[17:58] <DarkPlayer> we already build wine-staging for a lot of distributions (debian, ubuntu, fedora, mageia, opensuse, ...)
[17:59] <DarkPlayer> so there is no problem for us maintaining an additional package
[18:00] <DarkPlayer> since we work on wine for a long time now, we also know how to build wine, many distributions contain broken packages because they use incompatible build flags or miss some important dependency etc.
[18:00] <micahg> I would suggest contacting https://launchpad.net/~scottritchie/ as he's been maintaining wine in Ubuntu for a long while
[18:05] <slackner> micahg: we added him to the bug report which was opened two months ago, no answer so far - i am also not sure if i should still expect an answer
[18:05] <micahg> slackner: I'd suggest sending an email either through launchpad or directly, some people filter bug reports
[18:06] <micahg> I'd suggest giving about 2 weeks after sending the email, if you don't hear anything and you have it packaged, we can work on getting it into Ubuntu
[18:09] <slackner> micahg: kk, i'll give it another try then, thx
[18:09] <micahg> slackner: thanks and good luck
[18:10] <micahg> we're early in the cycle, so there's time :)
[19:23] <slackner> micahg: just about to send the mail, should i add you as CC?
[19:24] <micahg> sure, I don't mind
[22:59] <utlemming> I just filed Bug 1459455 for inclusion in Wily. Wondering if any of you kind motu's could take a look. This is a Ubuntu specific package for xe-guest-utilities.
[23:08] <micahg> I can take a look a little later


[00:47] <wgrant> daker: Should be installable now.
[10:49] <daker> wgrant: thanks, will test it tonight!


[04:59] <Squirm> lo
[05:10] <Kilos> morning all
[05:31] <Squirm> hello Kilos
[05:33] <magespawn> morning all
[05:33] <Kilos> hey Squirm
[05:33] <Squirm> hi magespawn
[05:33] <magespawn> whats up Squirm?
[05:33]  * Squirm noms his toast
[05:34] <Squirm> I'm late :/
[05:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:35] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:40] <Squirm> be back in a few. going to work.
[05:58] <jrgns> morning all
[05:59]  * Squirm yawns
[05:59] <Squirm> hello jrgns
[05:59] <magespawn> hi jrgns
[05:59] <magespawn> you at work already Squirm?
[05:59] <jrgns> has anyone here registered a co.za domain manually?
[06:00] <jrgns> hi megaspawn, Squirm
[06:00] <magespawn> how do you mean manually?
[06:00] <magespawn> tab complete
[06:00] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[06:00] <Squirm> jrgns: you fill in the form and email it off
[06:01] <Squirm> didn't know there was an autonomous way
[06:01] <Squirm> magespawn: yep, I live on the premises :P
[06:01] <magespawn> lol
[06:01] <magespawn> if you do it through an isp they do it for you
[06:02] <Squirm> ok
[06:02] <Squirm> jrgns: http://co.za/coza_reg.txt
[06:03] <Squirm> and in the big block
[06:03] <Squirm>      |Please Email the completed form once the domain is ready to:     |
[06:03] <Squirm>      |<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:26]  * Squirm eyes jrgns
[06:29] <jrgns> Squirm thnx
[06:29] <jrgns> ja, I got that part
[06:29] <jrgns> my issue is with the DNS
[06:29] <jrgns> co.za requires the DNS to be setup before you can register it
[06:30] <jrgns> but my DNS provider (namecheap) requires the domain to be registered before you can setup the DNS
[06:30] <jrgns> chicken <-> egg situation
[06:31] <jrgns> at the moment I'm contemplating setting up my own DNS server just for the initial registration, and then moving the DNS to nc
[06:31] <jrgns> I was wondering if there are any other solutions
[06:32] <jrgns> megaspawn: I've gone the isp route before, want to try out doing it myself
[06:32] <jrgns> and hey Kilos
[06:32]  * jrgns thinks he's caught up on all the messages now
[06:34] <Symmetria> dammit, my dog is getting very upset that I wont play with her
[06:34] <Symmetria> she's barking at me
[06:35] <Kerbero> send her back to the spca so that they can play with her
[06:35] <Kerbero> :|
[06:35] <Symmetria> lol the other day she stole my wireless mouse off my desk
[06:40] <Kilos> morning superfly Kerbero Symmetria
[06:41] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:41] <sakhi_> morning
[06:43] <Kilos> hi sakhi psydroid
[06:44] <psydroid> namaste Kilos
[06:45] <charlvn> good morning
[06:45] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[06:45]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:45] <psydroid> goedenmorgen charlvn
[06:45] <psydroid> hi sakhi
[06:45] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[06:45] <charlvn> hoi psydroid :)
[06:45] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[06:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[06:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos!
[06:49] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:49] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:57] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[06:57] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[07:12] <Squirm> jrgns: sorry, was out
[07:12] <Squirm> jrgns: try everydns
[07:12] <Squirm> free
[07:13] <Squirm> nevermind
[07:13] <Squirm> just saw now that its dead
[07:13] <Squirm> :/
[07:13] <jrgns> Squirm: urgh, ok
[07:13] <Squirm> I used it for ages. but havent in about 2 years
[07:14] <Squirm> jrgns: http://zoneedit.com/
[07:15] <Squirm> the other one I used. not as good, but it should do in the interim
[07:15] <jrgns> tried them, but you need to pay 1$ per zone
[07:15] <superfly> afraid.org I think
[07:15] <Squirm> :O
[07:15] <jrgns> superfly: tried them as well, but they also need the domain registered before you can add the zone (i think)
[07:16] <Squirm> jrgns: I can set up one for you. it'll point to my site for now, but if it's just for registration...
[07:16] <superfly> ah
[07:16] <jrgns> Squirm: thanx, but I want to be able to automate it a bit
[07:16] <jrgns> easiest will probably be to set it up on my server then
[07:16] <Squirm> you'll have control, I'll just provide the nameservers
[07:16] <jrgns> kewl, control through? API?
[07:17] <Squirm> wait. how does your host expect you to have registered the domain, if you have nothing to register it with
[07:18] <Squirm> if you just carry on through those steps, where you want to hos your site
[07:18] <Squirm> enter in the domain name you want(don't have yet)
[07:18] <Squirm> doesn't it let you go through?
[07:18] <jrgns> I'm self hosting, and used to register through a service provider
[07:18] <jrgns> now I want to self register as well
[07:19] <jrgns> it looks like co.za assumes that if you have the expertise to register, you can also setup a name server
[07:19] <Squirm> so why can't you set up the domain on your hosting side, before you register?
[07:19] <Squirm> ah, I see
[07:19] <Squirm> yes, you'll either have to set up a NS, or find one
[07:19] <jrgns> that's what i'll be doing - setup a dns server on my hosting box, and use it just to do the initial registration
[07:20] <jrgns> yup
[07:20] <Squirm> once it's registered, what are you going to do with it?
[07:20] <jrgns> namecheap, probably.
[07:20] <jrgns> my international domains are with them, currently, and they have an api
[07:20] <jrgns> and they're quite cheap
[07:20] <charlvn> http://dns.he.net/ is probably one of the best i have used
[07:20] <Squirm> then why do you have to register it before you use them>
[07:20] <Squirm> ?
[07:21] <jrgns> don't think they do co.za domains, do they?
[07:21] <superfly> Squirm: what do you mean? You need to first set up the domain name on a name server, then you register it and the registrar looks at the DNS servers you provide.
[07:22] <Squirm> superfly: I get that. but once it's registered, he says he'll move it to namecheap
[07:22] <Squirm> which will then undergo the same process
[07:22] <charlvn> if you want to register a co.za, get a primary dns server and a secondary dns server and put in the application yourself
[07:23] <charlvn> if you register it via another company, make sure you have the ownership and not them
[07:23] <superfly> If you don't provide valid DNS servers for your domain name, the registrar will reject your registration
[07:23] <charlvn> some companies register the domain under their name and then they are technically the owners
[07:23] <jrgns> charlvn: that's what I want to do, the problem is the dns servers
[07:23] <charlvn> so if you want to move it away they can hold you for ransom
[07:23] <jrgns> I can't get any (free) ones that allow setting up the DNS *before* the registration
[07:23] <charlvn> jrgns: have you checked dns.he.net?
[07:23] <charlvn> they of course allow this
[07:23] <charlvn> or used to, anyway
[07:23] <jrgns> soz, not yet, bouncing around
[07:23] <jrgns> hold on
[07:23] <charlvn> and the servers support ipv6 nicely
[07:24] <Squirm> jrgns: that's the thing. you have to be able to set up dns *before* registering a domain. so I'm sure all those servics do offer it
[07:25] <jrgns> Namecheap doesn't
[07:25] <jrgns> you need to confirm the domain first, either through an email
[07:25] <jrgns> or through the domain's nameservers pointing to them
[07:25] <jrgns> so for a new domain you can't do it
[07:26] <jrgns> i'm checking out dns.he.net now
[07:26] <Squirm> ok
[07:26] <Squirm> well
[07:26] <jrgns> zoneedit isn't free
[07:26] <Squirm> off to work I go
[07:26] <Squirm> and it used to be free :/
[07:29] <jrgns> yeah, schweet. dns.he.net is free, and allows adding zones for unregistered domains
[07:29] <jrgns> thnx charlvn!
[07:29] <charlvn> np
[07:33] <jrgns> some more options, for those who are interested http://www.quietaffiliate.com/3-new-free-dns-hosting-providers-including-failover-hosting
[07:34]  * tumbleweed uses dns.he.net very happily (as a secondary, to the primary I run on my server)
[07:52] <charlvn> tumbleweed: which dns daemon do you use?
[07:52] <charlvn> i used to use bind but i got a bit careful of all the security holes
[07:53] <tumbleweed> charlvn: powerdns
[07:53] <tumbleweed> but with the bind zone-file backend, because text files are more convenient for editing than DBs
[07:53] <charlvn> sounds good
[07:53] <tumbleweed> yeah, I'm also scared of BIND
[07:54] <charlvn> wb psydroid
[07:55] <sakhi> hi psydroid
[07:57] <psydroid> ty charlvn
[08:04] <superfly> I want to use PowerDNS the same way I use BIND, as both a local and a forwarding DNS server, but I couldn't make head or tail of the docs I read
[08:05] <tumbleweed> I really like keeping authoritive and recursive DNS servers separate
[08:05] <tumbleweed> (except in small LANs, where dnsmasq can do everything and I love it)
[08:06] <superfly> I don't mind if they're separate, I just want it to work
[08:18] <Kilos> hi morgs
[08:18] <morgs> Hi Kilos
[08:18]  * Kilos greets tumbleweed  too
[09:02] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:02] <Vince-0> hi
[09:53] <Squirm> lo
[09:54] <tumbleweed> morning Kilos
[09:54] <tumbleweed> (eep, only just)
[09:54] <Kilos> lol
[09:54] <tumbleweed> time to start being productive...
[09:55] <smile> hi all :)
[09:55] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:56] <smile> Kilos: how are you? :)
[09:56] <Kilos> ok ty smile  and you?
[09:57] <smile> Kilos: also fine :)
[09:57]  * smile just wrote an article about systemd on wikipedia
[09:57] <smile> :)
[10:00] <tumbleweed> smile: systemd is available on Debian, but AFAIK it's not actually usable without a lot of effort
[10:00] <tumbleweed> it doesn't support sys-v scripts out the box, does it?
[10:01]  * tumbleweed dosen't think OpenRC is directly comperable, but I suppose it is a modern sys-v init implementation...
[10:03] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[10:03] <smile> tumbleweed: I don't know :) but they were making a conversion script
[10:03] <smile> in both ways
[10:03] <inetpro> Maaz: what's for lunch?
[10:03] <Maaz> inetpro: they say Debonairs Pizza is the leading pizza restaurant in Africa. http://www.debonairs.co.za/
[10:03] <smile> good morning inetpro :p
[10:03] <tumbleweed> smile: it's continuously discussed in Debian, but I'm not convinced it's a solveable problem
[10:04] <tumbleweed> at least, not completely
[10:04] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[10:05]  * smile gaat eten
[10:05] <smile> tumbleweed: it's solveable, but not in near future
[10:05] <smile> :p
[10:05] <Symmetria> god I love this amplifier
[10:05] <Symmetria> kilos was just browsing around my amp at home via a web interface :P
[10:05] <Kilos> you gonna end up deaf
[10:06] <Symmetria> haha kilos I gotta reenable the firewalling/security on that thing
[10:06] <Kilos> no wonder your dog is mad
[10:06] <Symmetria> because technically with the access you had there right then
[10:06] <Symmetria> you can change my music, my volume, the input anything
[10:06] <Symmetria> :p
[10:06] <Kilos> ok ty for sharing
[10:06] <Symmetria> plz dont :p
[10:06] <Symmetria> haha
[10:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the address?
[10:06] <Kilos> haha
[10:06] <Symmetria> lol you'll have noticed the volume was set at -45.5dB
[10:07] <Symmetria> if you were to change that to 0dB my neighbors would go deaf
[10:07] <Symmetria> change that to +20dB and my windows will probably break
[10:07] <Symmetria> ;P
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:07] <Symmetria> hehe that amp is linked to almost a thousand watts RMS worth of speakers
[10:08] <Kilos> ouch
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: try to break it while you can, Symmetria loves fixing things again
[10:08] <Symmetria> kilos its kinda cool that you can browse my pc with it :p
[10:08] <Symmetria> for mp3s
[10:08] <Kilos> luckily they still use volume controls
[10:08] <Kilos> yeah
[10:08] <Symmetria> and that internet radio classified by genre is hardcore as well
[10:09] <Kilos> you will be able to have a 2 week long party and not need to change music
[10:09] <Symmetria> kilos haha I can do that off my mp3/flac collection already
[10:09] <Symmetria> :p
[10:10] <Kilos> you'll be old and gray before you listen to it all
[10:10] <Kilos> your mom must walk around with ear plugs in
[10:10] <Symmetria> Total Tracks Found: 98741
[10:10] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:10] <Kilos> wow
[10:11] <Symmetria> scary thing is that I actually OWN 80% of that as originals :p
[10:11] <Kilos> oh well you gotta use your money for something
[10:11] <Kilos> dont wanna lose too much when banks crash
[10:12] <Symmetria> hehe most of the stuff I dont own is bootlegs
[10:12] <Symmetria> because you cant own those :p
[10:12] <Kilos> keep some under the mattress as well
[10:12] <Symmetria> thats 14 years of collecting music
[10:12] <Symmetria> :)
[10:13] <Kilos> whew
[10:13] <Symmetria> though now days most of the music I collect is really rare stuff, I have enough normal stuff, now I go looking for stuff thats extremely hard to find/very rare
[10:13] <Kilos> im sure your mom sighs with relief when you go away for a week or two
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:14]  * Symmetria managed to get hold of an original cd of sisters of mercy - some BOYS wander by mistake
[10:14] <Symmetria> heh, that cd cost me almost 1500 bux :p
[10:14] <Kilos> ow
[10:14] <Symmetria> because they only created like, 500 of it
[10:16] <Kilos> you better have a kid to inherit from you
[10:30] <Symmetria> kilos
[10:31] <Symmetria> what browser were you using
[10:31] <Symmetria> when you accessed that thing
[10:31] <Kilos> opera Symmetria
[10:31] <Symmetria> cause inetpro is getting odd errors on chrome and firefox under linux
[10:31] <Symmetria> but it works fine on my chrome
[10:31] <Symmetria> and my firefox
[10:32] <Kilos> lemme try again
[10:32] <Kilos> im back in again
[10:33] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:33] <Symmetria> it might be that his squid proxies dont luv it :p
[10:35]  * inetpro should upgrade that squid anyway, but I somehow suspect that it's something else
[10:36] <Kilos> inetpro, dont you ever use opera
[10:36] <inetpro> Kilos: no, it's not in the standard repositories
[10:37] <Kilos> ah,
[10:37] <inetpro> I used to like Opera many years ago
[10:37] <inetpro> then came Firefox 1
[10:38] <inetpro> and I have not looked back after that
[10:38] <inetpro> Firefox with all it's extensions is a very powerful and feature complete browser
[10:41] <Kilos> i think i got opera because it is the browser on my nokia and somewhere it said get it for pc
[10:41] <Kilos> light weight they said
[10:41] <Kilos> works ok for me and doesnt update every 2 weekas
[10:41] <Kilos> weeks either
[10:44] <inetpro> opera is very strong on old mobile hardware like nokia, but I don't think they are as competitive as Firefox and Chromium/Chrome these days
[10:44] <inetpro> but I could be wrong
[10:47] <inetpro> but I see their latest release is Opera 12.00 released on 2012-08-02
[10:47] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess the reason that you're not seeing frequent updates is exactly because it's not in the repositories
[10:47] <inetpro> a dangerous road to go
[10:51] <inetpro> Kilos: Opera Changelogs for UNIX http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unix/
[10:57] <Kilos> ah they udpated some
[10:57] <Kilos> dunno which one i got
[10:57] <Kilos> must be 12.00
[10:58] <Kilos> the turbo tool works ok when nets are slow
[10:58] <Kilos> dunno how it does that but anyway
[11:29] <magespawn> hey all
[11:29] <magespawn> Symmetria you showing off again
[11:31] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday magespawn
[11:31] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:31] <magespawn> whats up?
[11:35] <Kilos> not much
[12:23] <magespawn> saw you and symmetria were playing nicely
[12:24] <Kilos> hehe
[12:24] <Kilos> he has some nice toys
[12:24] <magespawn> that he does
[12:25] <magespawn> did he just pass you a ip address? to get in, or did he give you a password and signon as well?
[12:31] <Kilos> address
[12:32] <Kilos> he must know i wouldnt turn the volume up
[12:33] <Kilos> not naughty like you guys
[12:44] <Kilos> cooler today hey magespawn ?
[12:45] <Kilos> still waiting for the sun to shine for more than 10 minutes
[13:04] <magespawn> a little cooler today, still working with aricon and a fan
[13:04] <magespawn> aircon
[13:04] <magespawn> is that the one you posted in your channel?
[13:05] <Kilos> ya
[13:05] <magespawn> did he allow anyone to connect?
[13:06] <magespawn> Symmetria you still around?
[13:07] <Kilos> how come you showed online all night and this morning magespawn
[13:07] <Kilos> pc stayed connected?
[13:08] <magespawn> i am connected through a quasselcore in my shop
[13:08] <magespawn> how are you connecting, what program?
[13:08] <Kilos> oh and that stays connected?
[13:08] <Kilos> xchat
[13:08] <magespawn> yes the core stays on line as long as the server does
[13:09] <Kilos> thats no good man then how must we know when to say wb
[13:17] <tonberryE352> so say i have a bunch of programs piping things into each other and a program somewhere in the middle is a huge bottleneck, is there any way to get the latency on this chain reasonable?
[13:18] <tonberryE352> because at the moment I'm at 700ms from one side to the other and I suspect it is caused by the pipe's buffering like crazy
[13:18] <tonberryE352> pipes*
[13:41] <Kilos> tonberryE352, cant you bypass some them pipes past the bottleneck
[13:42] <Kilos> or is the bottlenecked program an important one there in the middle
[13:45] <jrgns> cheers all, have a good evening
[13:46] <tonberryE352> bottleneck is the part that talks to hardware
[13:46] <Kilos> or duplicate that program and run it in parralel alongside its clone to share the load
[13:46] <tonberryE352> so very important
[13:46] <tonberryE352> its not a load problem
[13:47] <tonberryE352> cpu can handle far higher speeds
[13:56] <Symmetria> lol
[13:57] <Symmetria> magespawn I trust kilos
[13:57] <Symmetria> :p
[14:37] <magespawn> I was wondering if I could ask you a favour. I will understand if you say no symmetria
[14:37] <magespawn> Kilos does xchat show you when the ppl are marked as away?
[14:37] <Kilos> yes
[14:38] <Kilos> they go gray
[14:38] <magespawn> i try to mark my self as away, but sometimes i get disconnected before i can
[14:38] <Kilos> and if you right click on the nick you can read away messages etc
[14:39] <Kilos> lol\
[14:39] <Kilos> thats in settings you mark away
[14:40] <Kilos> preferences under general
[14:40] <magespawn> yup you can just use /away "reason"
[14:40] <magespawn> like so
[14:40] <magespawn> see no I am away
[14:40] <magespawn> now
[14:41] <Symmetria> magespawn
[14:41] <Symmetria> see message
[14:41] <Symmetria> :p
[14:43] <Symmetria> heh
[14:43] <Kilos> no man you not gray
[14:44] <magespawn> was hold on
[14:44] <Kilos> there something i think the fly called a bouncer to login from 2 p0laces
[14:45] <Kilos> places
[14:45] <Kilos> irc bouncer?
[14:45] <Kilos> tell him superfly
[14:45] <Kilos> head too sore to think
[14:45] <Kilos> ah there you go magespawn
[14:45] <Kilos> you gray now
[14:46] <Symmetria> hehe I still think its so cool you can use a webbrowser to browse to my amplifier and chose what you listening to
[14:49] <Kilos> very clever that
[14:49] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos, magespawn and Symmetria
[14:50] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[14:50] <Symmetria> heh we're trialing something at the moment on a university campus
[14:50] <Symmetria> to "extend the campus"
[14:50] <Symmetria> so that a lecturer can get a block of ip space
[14:50] <Symmetria> plug in a device on his side
[14:50] <Symmetria> and his house will vpn (encrypted, heavily) and route the space back to him
[14:50] <tonberryE352> nice
[14:51] <tonberryE352> but how is that different from a normal vpn?
[14:51] <Symmetria> tonberryE352 normal vpn's give a single ip address and nat everything
[14:51] <Symmetria> this is fully routed
[14:51] <tonberryE352> ah
[14:51] <Symmetria> and this isnt a software client
[14:51] <tonberryE352> oh
[14:51] <Symmetria> basically they get a router, they put in their dsl auth details from their provider
[14:51] <tonberryE352> nice
[14:52] <Symmetria> and the router is pre-configured with the ip block theyg ot
[14:52] <Symmetria> so when they plug it in at home, they are suddenly on the campus
[14:52] <Symmetria> though we're looking for a cheaper router than what we're currently testing with, I suspect we'll end up with the srx 110's
[14:52] <Symmetria> we're using the srx 210's for testing and they arent practical price wise
[14:52] <Symmetria> (the dsl router Im using at home costs 10 grand)
[14:53] <Symmetria> but heh, not really suprising when you consider its encrypting all the traffic in hardware
[14:53] <Symmetria> so no performance hit
[14:54] <tonberryE352> yeah vpn encryption at high bandwidth hurts
[14:54] <Symmetria> (technically you could establish this vpn on a linux box as well in the same way as we are using the dsl router, but the dsl router is kinda nice)
[14:54] <Symmetria> the other end of the vpn is a fortigate
[14:54] <magespawn> later all
[14:55] <tonberryE352> openwrt box if you really need to do it cheap?
[14:55] <Symmetria> hrm, I dont know if openwrt can do this
[14:55] <inetpro> Symmetria: and how do you prevent abuse of corporate resources?
[14:55] <Symmetria> inetpro the fortinet can do a TON of interesting things
[14:56] <Symmetria> you can restrict *EXACTLY* what they can do
[14:56] <Symmetria> and how much bandwidth they can use
[14:56] <Symmetria> at the moment in testing I havent been applying any of those policies yet, but the functionality is there
[14:56] <tonberryE352> ssh like thing on a random port?
[14:57] <Symmetria> generally, we apply a default deny on outbound other than permitted
[14:58] <Symmetria> and there is a load of authentication etc for a lot of things
[14:58] <inetpro> interesting
[14:58]  * inetpro wbb
[14:58] <Symmetria> right now Im tryign to get v6 back to myself over this
[14:58] <Symmetria> haha
[14:58] <Symmetria> its not proving easy
[15:11] <Squirm> hello
[15:12] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[15:43] <Kilos> tumbleweed, is this for clever peeps only or will the mails help me too
[15:43] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity
[15:44] <Kilos> hi acherv
[15:44] <Kilos> didnt see you here
[15:44] <tumbleweed> Kilos: is *what* for clever peeps only? that's just a wiki page about unity...
[15:44] <Kilos> oh its a link in customizing unity
[15:44] <Kilos> i get more info
[15:45] <Kilos> By joining the Unity design mailing list, Roscoe can get first-hand, up-to-date information of
[15:45] <Kilos> new developments in Unity, as well as being part of a se
[15:45] <Kilos> must i change my nick to roscoe first
[15:45] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <Kilos> Maaz, unity customize
[15:45] <Maaz> http://ubuntuone.com/4hBTr1gcwxorEcCRd2cgnW
[15:46] <Kilos> thats what i am reading through
[15:48] <Kilos> Have your email address added to the Unity design mailing list6.
[15:48] <Kilos> dunno if i should add mine
[15:50] <tumbleweed> Kilos: myyunity is fairly safe. As are most settings in cssm. But you can still totally break your desktop with ccsm if you aren't careful
[15:51] <Kilos> yeah read that, i wont touch it
[15:51] <Kilos> i thought that list might give some infoe now and again on improvements
[15:52] <Kilos> mails i can work through in my own time
[15:52] <Kilos> and speed
[15:53] <charlvn> good afternoon all
[15:55] <Kilos> lo charlvn
[16:00] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[16:04] <Symmetria> sup charl
[16:09] <sakhi> hey charlvn
[16:10] <Symmetria> lo sakhi
[16:10] <Symmetria> sakhi, what is UWC doing about ipv6
[16:12] <sakhi> Nothing at the moment, I was talking about it but seems like the guys fear ipv6
[16:13] <Symmetria> heh
[16:13] <Symmetria> sakhi, so do what UFS did
[16:13] <Symmetria> bring me in, and I'll do it for you :)
[16:13] <Kerbero> "[16:57] <Symmetria> generally, we apply a default deny on outbound other than permitted" <- i hate those rules
[16:13] <sakhi> I will need to speak to the networking team again
[16:13] <Symmetria> did you see the article on UFS's v6 rollout?
[16:13] <Symmetria> the other thing you need to ask them, how long before you guys get rid of NAT :P
[16:14] <sakhi> I haven't seen the article yet.
[16:14] <Symmetria> if you're wanting IP space to do that, you need to do it fast, the space is runing out and at the rate Im using it for other institutions it will be gone soon :P
[16:14] <Symmetria> Ive already got /15s for UFS and NWU :P
[16:14] <Symmetria> and busy processing for a /14 for someone else
[16:14] <Symmetria> sakhi heh lemme find it
[16:15] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/56241-shocking-ipv6-revelation-in-south-africa.html
[16:15] <Symmetria> sakhi heh read that
[16:15] <Symmetria> I think it hammers home the point :)
[16:15] <sakhi> ta
[16:15] <Symmetria> heh they speaked at 126mbit of v6 today
[16:15] <Symmetria> :p
[16:16] <Symmetria> and run pretty consistantly at 100
[16:21] <sakhi> I will need to bring this up again in a management meeting or bring it up as a risk (which it is) UFS is doing well.
[16:23] <Symmetria> heh sakhi that UFS project was... challenging hehe
[16:23] <Symmetria> but we got it done
[16:23] <Symmetria> Louis and I spent 3 weeks rearchitecturing their network
[16:23] <Symmetria> with new v4 and v6 space
[16:23] <Symmetria> but did it with zero downtime
[16:23] <Symmetria> *hrm* I can actually send you the details of exactly what we did if you want
[16:24] <Symmetria> whats your email addy
[16:25] <sakhi> I would realy like to be hands on when we do it and do more work on that. email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:27] <Symmetria> go take a look at that email :)
[16:27] <Symmetria> heh sakhi, there is no way I would do work like that on campus without a team from the campus very much hands on when its done
[16:27] <Symmetria> because they have to support it at the end of the day
[16:27] <Kerbero> Symmetria: is that very confidential info? as i would like to know more too
[16:28] <Symmetria> Kerbero no, there is a fair amount of public info that we put out there
[16:28] <Symmetria> email addy?
[16:28] <Kerbero> :)
[16:29] <Symmetria> hehe sakhi/kerbero lemme know thoughts once you've read that
[16:35] <inetpro> Symmetria: thanks for the info
[16:35] <inetpro> please bear with me if I ask newby questions...
[16:35]  * inetpro is always a newby
[16:35] <inetpro> what are SP style protocols?
[16:35]  * Kerbero also wants to know
[16:35] <Kerbero> oSPf?
[16:36] <Symmetria> IS-IS/BGP
[16:36] <Symmetria> OSPF is also used in SP's but its still more an enterprise protocol
[16:37] <Symmetria> I have a definately preference for IS-IS but we couldnt roll it at UFS because of hardware limitations
[16:37] <inetpro> ok
[16:37] <Symmetria> definate I mean
[16:39]  * Kerbero has read halfway
[16:39] <Kerbero> i like what you did with the port flapping on the switches
[16:39] <Kerbero> do they have the same brand of switches everywhere, or mixed?
[16:43] <Symmetria> its HP
[16:43] <Symmetria> horrible stuff
[16:43] <Symmetria> we wanna replace it all but its all about finding budget
[16:43] <Kerbero> lol
[16:43] <Kerbero> o
[16:43] <Kerbero> stellenbosch is replacing everything with HP's
[16:43] <Kerbero> :P
[16:44] <Symmetria> there are 19.5k switch ports
[16:44] <Symmetria> on that network
[16:44] <Symmetria> heh, they are gonna regret that decision
[16:44] <Symmetria> the HP stuff is expensive compared to juniper kit
[16:44] <Kerbero> what is better than HP though?
[16:44] <Kerbero> o ok
[16:44] <Symmetria> and the juniper kit is a thousand times better
[16:44] <Kerbero> hmm
[16:44] <Kerbero> interesting
[16:44] <sakhi> agreed
[16:44] <Symmetria> its a thousand times more powerful as well
[16:44] <Kerbero> ok
[16:45] <Symmetria> its also actually not that pricey
[16:45] <Kerbero> any idea on the price of a 24port gigabit juniper?
[16:45] <Symmetria> depends which one you want and what functionality you want outta it
[16:45] <Symmetria> and what volume you buy in
[16:45] <Kerbero> yes of coarse
[16:45] <Symmetria> if you buy a base 24 port edge switch with basic routing on it with 24 gigE POE ports its well under 20 grand
[16:46] <Kerbero> ok
[16:46] <Kerbero> that is a good price
[16:46] <Kerbero> i think we were quoted 33k for an HP one
[16:46] <Symmetria> put it this way, 19 and a half thousand ports (gigE POE+ ports) + 11 40 port 10gig/1gig aggregation switches + 11 distribution routers capable of 80gigabit/second per router
[16:46] <Symmetria> = 8.1 million
[16:46] <Kerbero> but i think it might have been 48 ports
[16:46] <Symmetria> thats way more than the junipers bought at volume
[16:47] <Symmetria> lemme check something quick
[16:47] <inetpro> Symmetria: very interesting
[16:48] <inetpro> any idea when you will be able to drop IPv4?
[16:49] <Symmetria> inetpro technically we could drop v4 internally other than on the proxies in a matter of a month or 2
[16:49] <inetpro> cool
[16:49] <inetpro> but I guess in reality that is not gonna happen for some time?
[16:50] <Kerbero> but that will force you to use the proxies for all ipv4 services
[16:51] <Kerbero> which is not nice for stuff like ssh/pop/imap
[16:51] <Symmetria> kerbero well, we could translate as well
[16:51] <Symmetria> from v6 to v4
[16:51] <Symmetria> but I'd rather not do that
[16:51] <Symmetria> hrm, kerbero
[16:51] <Symmetria> those 48 ports for 33 grand
[16:51] <Symmetria> were they PoE or not?
[16:51] <Kerbero> hmm
[16:52] <Symmetria> because that makes a fair difference in price
[16:52] <Kerbero> now that i think about it it may be yes
[16:52] <Kerbero> "for voip phones"
[16:52] <Symmetria> ok
[16:52] <Symmetria> well, bought in bulk...
[16:53] <Symmetria> the 48 port PoE 2200s
[16:53] <Symmetria> are around 16 grand each
[16:53] <Symmetria> :p
[16:53] <Kerbero> juniper would still have been cheaper?
[16:53] <Symmetria> and the non-PoE would have been around 10 grand each :p
[16:53] <Symmetria> and those are 48 port
[16:54] <Symmetria> :p
[16:54] <Kerbero> wow
[16:54] <Kerbero> but yes, bulk...
[16:54] <Symmetria> bulk doesnt mean INSANE quantities either
[16:54] <Symmetria> lemem check something
[16:54]  * Kerbero is regretting his decision to buy a "Tenda" 24 port gigabit switch for R1.5k
[16:54] <Kerbero> :P
[16:54] <Kerbero> cheaps switches are cheap
[16:54] <Kerbero> and crap
[16:55] <Kerbero> i would've loved an juniper
[16:55] <Symmetria> heh you're looking at buying around 30 to get that price :p
[16:55] <Symmetria> lol
[16:55] <Symmetria> but even if you buy ONE
[16:55] <Symmetria> its not that much more
[16:55]  * Symmetria checks
[16:55] <Symmetria> goes to about 13 grand for the non-poe version
[16:56] <Symmetria> around 20 grand for the poe version
[16:56] <Kerbero> and that's 48 port
[16:56] <Symmetria> of course if you want one that supports stacking, virtualization, and every routing protocol under the sun, it goes up a fair bit, but that will do just fine as a good edge switch
[16:56] <Symmetria> yeah
[16:56] <inetpro> Symmetria: I don't get why you needed so much more IPv4 space, you say you were granted a /15 chunk?
[16:56] <inetpro> that is like 131,070 hosts
[16:56] <Kerbero> replacing the NAT's
[16:57] <Symmetria> inetpro, we had to renumber an entire network of 19 and a half thousand wired ports + 200 buildings worth of wireless ap's
[16:57] <inetpro> all those addresses on a public network?
[16:57] <Symmetria> heh, and each AP needs a fair amount of space to assign outta
[16:57] <Kerbero> Symmetria: can't one not just NAT ipv4 and route ipv6?
[16:57] <Symmetria> inetpro every single one of them
[16:57] <Symmetria> Kerbero no, NAT isnt practical at 10gigabit speeds
[16:57] <Kerbero> hehe ok
[16:57] <Symmetria> and NAT breaks other innovations we are rolling on that campus
[16:58] <Kerbero> but wifi...
[16:58] <Kerbero> o ok
[16:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero multicast through nat? :) I think not
[16:58] <Kerbero> hehe no
[16:58] <Kerbero> our switches block multicast anyway
[16:58] <Kerbero> :(
[16:58] <Symmetria> wtf?!
[16:58] <Symmetria> why on EARTH would they block multicast
[16:59] <Kerbero> we had to get the setting removed on some to get norton ghost to work
[16:59] <Symmetria> heh, dude, if you have to see some of the things we are doing with multicast at UFS
[16:59] <Symmetria> you would fall over and die
[16:59] <Symmetria> :p
[16:59] <inetpro> wow
[16:59] <Symmetria> heh, within the next coupla days you are going to be able to open vlc on any pc on the campus
[16:59] <Symmetria> and go "show me a full list of SAP streams from Internet2/GEANT"
[16:59] <Kerbero> and, another thing, the one factory default settings HP we have can't handle multicast correctly so it just broadcasts
[16:59] <Symmetria> and get around 50 video streams you can double click on and watch
[16:59] <Symmetria> :p
[17:00] <Symmetria> Kerbero thats extremely easy to fix, we fixed that at UFS in about 2 minutes
[17:00] <Kerbero> hehe
[17:00] <Kerbero> yeah, as soon as i reset the password :P
[17:01] <Kerbero> and yes, we also have some multicast video streams we test with
[17:01] <Kerbero> DVB-T2 + dvblast
[17:01] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero we arent talking one or 2 here, we're talking about high def stuff coming straight outta internet2
[17:01] <Kerbero> cool
[17:01] <Symmetria> heh, we're also playing with video on demand technology
[17:02] <Kerbero> working with some of the SA service providers?
[17:02] <Symmetria> and attempting to convince certain providers of certain content to let us POC multicasting their content
[17:02] <Symmetria> heh we're working with a lot of people
[17:02] <Kerbero> ahh
[17:02] <Symmetria> Kerbero the idea that Louis and I are working with is to attempt to try a TON of innovative things
[17:02] <Kerbero> it is anyway only beneficial to them to make students used to their service
[17:02] <Symmetria> and basically take that network to the bleeding edge
[17:02] <Symmetria> Kerbero we have a better argument for it
[17:03] <Symmetria> full access to VoD and multicasted content like that will result in a reduction of piracy
[17:03] <Kerbero> indeed
[17:04] <Kerbero> but then you need the content asap after it is aired in the states
[17:04] <Symmetria> :) working on that as well
[17:04] <Symmetria> point is, NAT isnt practical
[17:04] <Symmetria> it breaks tons and tons of crap
[17:05] <Kerbero> but all those services runs on v6
[17:05] <Symmetria> Kerbero heh, I only wish that were totally true
[17:05] <Kerbero> sorry for my bad tenses
[17:05] <Kerbero> ok
[17:05] <Symmetria> inter-as ipv6 multicast is still... a tad broken :)
[17:05] <Kerbero> :(
[17:05] <Symmetria> and virtually entirely unsupported on HP gear
[17:05] <Symmetria> :p
[17:05] <Kerbero> hahaha
[17:05] <Symmetria> then again, HP gear doesnt support much
[17:06] <Symmetria> their implementation of OSPF and BGP would be a classic example
[17:06] <Symmetria> their BGP implementation leaves out around 50% of whats in the RFC
[17:06] <Kerbero> but their kickback cheques are big :P
[17:06] <Symmetria> and their OSPF implementation doesnt even support authentication of areas
[17:07] <Symmetria> *shrug* my view on this is there are basically 4 vendors that play in this market that are worth touching
[17:07] <Symmetria> a.) Juniper
[17:07] <Symmetria> b.) Cisco
[17:07] <Symmetria> c.) Brocade
[17:07] <Symmetria> d.) Huawei
[17:07] <Symmetria> and they all have their pros and cons
[17:07] <Symmetria> cisco is insanely expensive and does nothing more than the junipers do
[17:08] <Kerbero> ahh, i wanted to ask you about Huawei
[17:08] <Kerbero> are they any good
[17:08] <Symmetria> brocade may not be that pricey, but you are going to struggle to find support for it in .za
[17:08] <Kerbero> nice chinese backdoor for your network
[17:08] <Symmetria> and hauwei, the gear works, but good luck if you ever need any help with it
[17:08] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[17:08] <Symmetria> you'll get a half trained person who speaks chinglish who refers everything to china where he speaks chinese to them and you get a translation
[17:09] <Symmetria> and if you think Im kidding you should see some of their written documentation :)
[17:09] <Symmetria> basically, hauwei works real well if you speak fluent mandarin :p
[17:10] <Symmetria> oh, there is a 5th vendor
[17:10] <Symmetria> alcatel
[17:10] <Symmetria> make no mistake, their gear works, its extremely stable and it has the features
[17:10] <Symmetria> *IF* you have the patience to deal with the most complex, horrible, god aweful cli you have ever seen in your entire life
[17:10] <Symmetria> :p
[17:10] <Symmetria> they have lost several deals because engineers point blank refuse to deal with that interface
[17:11] <Kerbero> ai
[17:11] <Kerbero> alcatel sound south african
[17:11] <Kerbero> *sounds
[17:11] <Symmetria> *shrug* but cisco/juniper/alcatel I would actually recon are the 3 to look at
[17:11] <Symmetria> alcatel is french
[17:11] <Symmetria> huge company
[17:11] <Kerbero> ok
[17:11] <Symmetria> make very very very good submarine cable gear
[17:11] <Kerbero> i've heard of them before
[17:11] <Kerbero> ahh
[17:11] <Kerbero> yes
[17:11] <Kerbero> seacom
[17:12]  * inetpro wbb
[17:12] <Symmetria> they also make some very good dwdm / telco gear
[17:12] <Kerbero> right?
[17:12] <Symmetria> nah, WACS
[17:12] <Kerbero> ok
[17:12] <Symmetria> seacom is a hauwei system
[17:12] <Kerbero> ok
[17:12] <Symmetria> *shrug* if my clients ask me to recommend options to them
[17:12] <Kerbero> so if i learn how to use hauwei's i'll get a job?
[17:12] <Symmetria> and they want multiple options cause they havent made their eq choice
[17:13] <Symmetria> I always recommend looking at cisco, juniper and alcatel as the three top ones
[17:13] <Symmetria> kerbero heh, if you wanna go work up in africa probably, not so much in south africa
[17:13] <Symmetria> I only really know of one company using their stuff in africa
[17:13] <Symmetria> well, southern africa that is
[17:13] <Kerbero> o
[17:13] <Kerbero> well
[17:13] <Kerbero> stb campus core router is hauwei
[17:14] <Symmetria> heh stellenbosch runs hauwei core? seriously?
[17:14] <Symmetria> that I didnt know
[17:14] <Kerbero> i'll post you a traceroute in a while
[17:15] <Kerbero> they changed the hostnames :(
[17:15] <Symmetria> :P why, did it used to say chinese.crackpot.cisco.ripoff.equipment.sun.ac.za?
[17:15] <Symmetria> :p
[17:15] <Kerbero> indeed :P
[17:16] <Kerbero> and you'll laugh when you see this traceroute
[17:16] <Kerbero> the private ranges it is routed through
[17:16] <Symmetria> heh why the hell is stellenbosch natting anything
[17:16] <Symmetria> they have an entire /16
[17:17] <Symmetria> sad :P
[17:17] <Kerbero> i don't think it's nat
[17:17] <Kerbero> just routed through some backbone with that IP range
[17:17] <Symmetria> wtf would they 10, their backbone range
[17:21] <Kilos> wow you guys been busy, ill never get through all of this
[17:23] <Symmetria> hehe
[17:24] <Kerbero> Kilos: dis ok, ek verstaan nie eers alles wat gese^ is nie
[17:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:25] <Symmetria> haha
[17:25] <Symmetria> :P en ek kan nie a woord van afrikaans praat of verstaan nie, so as jy dit praat, sal almal van ons niks verstaan nie :p
[17:25]  * Symmetria goes for a smoke with that thought
[17:25] <Kerbero> cool sentence Symmetria
[17:25] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <magespawn> strained the brain on that one
[17:36] <sakhi> We had Brocade for our virtual environment it worked well but yes it has some limitations I agree, the Nexus 5K is doing a better job however I would like to introduce Juniper to up the game.
[17:36] <Symmetria> sakhi if you guys want juniper
[17:36] <Symmetria> you need to talk to me
[17:37] <Symmetria> I have deals in place to get the stuff at *HUGE* discounts for the academic sector
[17:37] <magespawn> http://za.pycon.org/ anybody going?
[17:38] <Kerbero> i'm thinking about going
[17:38] <superfly> magespawn: maybe... trying to see if I can get my boss to give a talk
[17:39] <magespawn> mmm the benefits of living in the cape, lucky fish
[17:42] <Symmetria> anyway gonna go watch some tv and take a break from mindbending ipv6 crap
[17:42] <Symmetria> :p
[17:42] <Symmetria> well ipsec v6 crap :)
[17:42] <sakhi> Symmetria: not a bad idea to have juniper on the Internet facing infrastructure that is where I can motivate best otherwise networking falls in the another department which doesn't make sense,
[17:43] <Symmetria> sakhi heh, well, as I said, we can talk
[17:43] <Symmetria> there are a number of options
[17:43] <Symmetria> if I were you, I'd also look at getting more ip space while there is still some available
[17:43] <Symmetria> as well as getting an ASN and getting some PI v6 space
[17:44] <Symmetria> and if you're interested in working on all of that, let me know and I can quote you on a formal consultation or whatever you can take internally or whatever :)
[18:24] <magespawn> anyone else using a htc android?
[18:27] <magespawn> i just installed Go Launcher Ex, it replaces or rather add the option to use it instead of the HTC Sense
[18:33] <magespawn> it adds a whole load of options, I am using it on a HTC Flyer, very c9ol
[18:33] <magespawn> cool
[18:44] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, I'm using that on my Kindle Fire\
[18:44] <superfly> sometimes it is a little irritating, but most of the time it's very nice
[18:45] <superfly> and the classic theme is the best
[18:50] <magespawn> the sense i found quite limiting
[18:53] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:13]  * Squirm pops in
[19:17] <magespawn> i am also off tonight, night all
[19:18] <Symmetria> gnight magespawn
[19:21] <Squirm> night magespawn


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[00:36] <lvelinux> hi everyone
[00:36] <yano> hello
[00:36] <lvelinux> i get an error  when trying to install ubuntu server on my dell server poweredge 2200
[00:37] <canthus13> What error?
[00:37] <lvelinux> the first error i got  that it was unable to copy the  image to the disk ,
[00:37] <lvelinux> let me boot it up again so that i can give  you the error
[00:37]  * canthus13 nods.
[00:37]  * canthus13 is at work, may be slow to answer.
[00:38] <lvelinux> oh ok
[00:38] <lvelinux> what type of work canthus
[00:38] <canthus13> Tech support. :/
[00:38] <lvelinux> nice
[00:38] <lvelinux> what  company
[00:39] <canthus13> a regional ISP.
[00:39]  * canthus13 doesn't name names. :)
[00:39] <lvelinux> nice
[00:39] <lvelinux> so i have an scsi hard drive
[00:39] <canthus13> Could be a scsi driver issue.
[00:40] <lvelinux> 4gb
[00:40] <lvelinux> but i could install freenas
[00:40] <lvelinux> :(
[00:40] <canthus13> you'd probably do better asking in #ubuntu? It's pretty well-staffed.
[00:40] <lvelinux> oh ok :(
[00:40] <lvelinux> how do i get into their chatrooms
[00:41] <yano> /join #ubuntu
[00:41] <lvelinux> thank you veru much
[00:41] <canthus13> :)
[00:42] <yano> yep :-)
[02:02] <jrgifford> yano: yeah, i should be there. see you there? i should be wearing a ubuntu tshirt.
[06:20] <yano> jrgifford: yea
[13:49] <thafreak> O
[13:50] <thafreak> M
[13:50] <thafreak> F
[13:50] <thafreak> G
[13:50] <thafreak> my boss is driving me nuts
[13:50] <thafreak> totally drops on me like last week, hey can we get a system set up to do xyz
[13:51] <thafreak> apparently she wants to have something to demo to people at a large gov't inst next week
[13:51] <thafreak> but she picked OSS that doesn't quite work 100%
[13:51] <thafreak> so every damn day, hows it coming hows it coming
[14:30] <canthus13> heh.
[16:04] <yano> hello from notacon
[18:12] <thafreak> jerks
[18:12] <Unit193> What'd they do now?
[18:14] <paultag> thafreak: lolwut?
[18:14] <thafreak> rubbing in they're at notacon
[18:14] <paultag> thafreak: also, salt, want to help me get it set up this weekend?
[18:15] <paultag> haha
[18:15] <paultag> thafreak: yano's still here :)
[18:15]  * yano flees
[18:15] <thafreak> wife wants the basement finished before the baby is born...my weekends for the next few weeks are spent doing construction
[18:15] <yano> the bandwidth here has been pretty crappy all day :-(
[18:17] <Unit193> Always seems to be.
[18:17] <Unit193> From what others have said.
[18:17] <yano> though the reverse ip for the network notacon is using comes back to their domain
[18:18] <yano> SSH is lagging pretty badly, though earlier while someone was doing a huge debian update (they said it was estimated at 53 minutes of downloading) that it appeared that they had QoS'ed SSH
[18:20] <yano> if you need to download anything or do any updates, their internet here is not the place to do it :-P
[18:21] <thafreak> that's how it always ends up though...i don't think about something i want installed till I'm at a conference
[18:22] <yano> heh
[18:23] <yano> that's what i like about PyOhio is that OSU let's the conference use it's wi-fi, so you get access to university speeds on the weekend (when less students are using it)
[18:25] <jrgifford> yano: yeah, the internet here at notacon isn't that good.
[18:26] <Unit193> jrgifford: You did it wrong, you were supposed to tell him it was great where you were. :P
[18:27] <jrgifford> Unit193: heh.  :S
[18:33] <thafreak> railsinstaller
[18:33] <thafreak> isn't that called aptitude...install rails
[18:33] <jrgifford> not for windows.
[18:33] <thafreak> hahahaha windows....silly kids
[18:33] <jrgifford> for a hacker con, i see a lot of windows here
[18:34] <thafreak> well, you need some one to test your skills on i guess
[18:36] <thafreak> Can anyone explain why WD's internal drives mostly suck, but their external drives are the best I've used so far?
[18:36] <thafreak> and the opposite for seagate...
[18:37] <thafreak> their internal drives are some of the more reliable, but their external drives aren't that great...
[18:37] <jrgifford> weird, i swear by WD internal drives, and for external.
[18:38] <yano> i think something is up with my vps box, i can't ssh to it all of a sudden but i can ssh to another box i have access to. though if i ssh to the other box then ssh to my vps it works...
[18:38] <thafreak> i avoided them for years, and finally gave the black drives a shot recently...had one in four die like immediately
[18:39] <thafreak> yano: i was having similar problems recently...it's an inter-network provider problem usually
[18:39] <thafreak> like I think hurricane electric and cogent weren't playing nice the one day
[18:40] <yano> ah, yea my vps is through Linode and 'the other box' is in Columbus
[18:41] <thafreak> it's probably a routing issue out of your control
[18:41] <thafreak> can be frustrating at times
[18:42] <thafreak> Gotta love python -m SimpleHTTPServer
[18:43] <jrgifford> yano: yeah, i can get to my other box but not my ec2 instance.
[18:43] <thafreak> traceroute, see where it dies
[18:44] <yano> well i can ping my linode, but i can't ssh. so i'm not sure if it is entirely a routing issue
[18:45] <yano> i'd hate to have to ssh into a vps i have that's hosted in germany, given my ping times to google (<IP_ADDRESS>) are ~60ms
[18:46] <Unit193> \I can ssh in for you, if you'll just give me your info. :D
[18:47] <yano> sure, you have my ssh private key or the password? :-P
[18:47] <yano> well the password changes every 30 seconds
[18:47] <Unit193> I'll take the key. :D
[18:47] <yano> lol
[18:47] <Unit193> ...But I'd not do much on it. :P
[18:48] <yano> i found a cool setup where you can use Google Authenticator android app to generate one time passwords
[18:50] <yano> the gift shop / hacking shop has those powerful green lasers
[18:53] <Unit193> yano: Have you found  jrgifford yet?
[18:54] <yano> Unit193: not in person, yet
[18:55] <yano> jrgifford: btw, i'm wearing a google shirt
[18:56]  * canthus13 is wearing pants. :P
[18:56]  * yano is wearing more than just a google shirt :-P
[18:56] <canthus13> yano: so am I. I just wish I weren't.
[18:56]  * Unit193 thinks he should go put something on to fit in... >_>
[18:57] <yano> canthus13: why?
[18:57] <canthus13> yano: Pants suck. :)
[18:57] <yano> depends on the pants
[18:58] <Unit193> Military pants are actually great, strong, great pockets, everything you'd want.
[19:00] <canthus13> Unit193: except the not wearing pants thing.
[19:00] <Unit193> I've got some on thankfully, as I'm not the only one here.
[19:01]  * canthus13 is at work, and is thus forced to wear pants. :(
[19:02] <Unit193> Knowing you, only because they make you.
[19:04] <jrgifford> yano: i should be right over, ipv6 101 is over in edison 1.
[19:05] <yano> cool, yea i'm still in the west conf room (pixeljam). past the lock demos
[19:09] <yano> (#*FSJD(#JSD argh, now http traffic is crawling.
[19:10] <yano> i'd probably get a faster connection tethering on my phone here
[19:10] <jrgifford> i don't see you.
[19:10] <yano> i'm sitting at the end of a table with a macbook
[19:10] <yano> in the room with the projectors on the wall
[19:30] <jrgifford> yano: so the website for that thing i was talking about is http://www.yubico.com
[20:17] <canthus13> "Can you check your phone for a dial tone please?" "NOOO!!!!! THAT'S TOO TECHNICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! <click>"
[20:23] <jrgifford> hey paultag - there is a session on civic hacking. he's talking about openstates and how awesome it is. :D
[20:23] <paultag> no shit jrgifford
[20:23] <paultag> jrgifford: pass on our love
[20:23] <jrgifford> paultag: will do.
[20:26] <jrgifford> paultag: you can send this into your guys or something if you want - http://www.websubstrate.com/share/deck.js/civic-hacking/notacon.html
[20:26] <jrgifford> (those are the slides)
[20:27] <paultag> jrgifford: thanks :)
[20:28] <paultag> jrgifford: haha, you know that bearded guy
[20:28] <paultag> jrgifford: max ogden?
[20:28] <paultag> jrgifford: he's here @ bocoup (or he was yesterday) :)
[20:28] <jrgifford> paultag: nope, i don't know him.
[20:29] <paultag> jrgifford: I mean, you know the guy who was in that slide deck?
[20:29] <jrgifford> no, i don't. we're not done with presentation yet.
[20:29]  * jrgifford looks ahead
[20:45] <paultag> jrgifford: :)
[20:45] <paultag> jrgifford: I twitted'
[20:52] <jrgifford> paultag: i saw. :)
[20:55] <paultag> :)
[21:40] <yano> the Water talk is mostly about convenience and money versus security
[21:40] <yano> mobile phones to control SCADA systems?
[21:40] <yano> that sounds like a program waiting to happen
[21:40] <canthus13> yano: a TI calculator could control most SCADA systems.
[21:41] <yano> canthus13: heh
[22:03] <jrgifford> i'm in the devops talk. i want to figure out if there is anything really cool that they bring up.
[22:05] <yano> jrgifford: cool, what's that mostly covering?
[23:47] <jrgifford> yano: so he talked about a lot of stuff
[23:48] <jrgifford> puppet, chef
[23:48] <yano> jrgifford: nice
[23:48] <yano> telecomix seems pretty aweome
[23:48] <yano> i didn't realize what all they did besides provide a DNS server
[23:48] <yano> but they got an IRC network
[23:48] <jrgifford> mainly about how we should treat our infrastructure as code and such.
[23:48] <jrgifford> oh cool.
[23:51] <yano> i like having the ipv6 available here, i can test my sites


[06:13] <Kilos> morning everyone
[09:19] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:19] <Kilos> hi MooDoo
[09:19] <Kilos> hi toddy
[09:19] <MooDoo> howdy Kilos :)
[09:33] <toddy> hi Kilos


[03:25] <tsimonq2> teward: yes
[03:33] <tsimonq2> teward: thank you :)
[14:50] <teward> tsimonq2: you're welcome


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