[03:23] <tsimonq2> .
 So as @wxl23 has requested, this is now a Telegram bridge from this Telegram channel to #lubuntu-devel.
[03:42] <tsimonq2> I'll sort out the whole thing about my username being Simon, but for now, hey, it works!   There's a screenshot in the installer... >__<
 oh damn yes
 @VikingRedwolf Think you can get that done very soon?
 aye
 Yay
 Also, I wanted to ask. How are translations done with Launchpad?
 Could you walk me through the technical process?
 dunno, but anyway we don't have translations
 not even for lxqt
 that's not the way we work. each app has its po file
 period
 We really should have some.
 not really
 Why not?
 When you get me a Spanish girlfriend, she needs to be able to install Lubuntu. XD
 because every component has its language files, and different authors
 we can't concenttrate everything under one project, because it really isn't
 So why can't we just have a team that helps concentrate *efforts*?
 I mean, that's my question.
 @VikingRedwolf How did translations work when you were the team leader?
 because that would imply modifying and creating a new team for lxqt+lubuntu
 lubuntu doesn't OWN lxqt, it just uses it
 not our point translating it
 *OUR TASK
 Hmm ok
 It's upstream
 Why can't we have a team of people that exists to organize efforts to work with *upstream* to translate?
 @VikingRedwolf Like I was asking before, what did the team do when it existed?
 for lubuntu communications only
 useless effort (usually on my shoulders)
 I don't see Ubuntu, Canonical, U-Gnome or Kylin translating to other languages rather than English
 Kylin is for Chinese users...
 I have another desire: put the word official textually and graphically on the home page. The title is not enough
 :D really needed?
 Yes
 Yes, we've missed you ❤👍😂
 .__.
 sooooo this is being bridged and everybody can hear me yelling PENIS???!!
 Yep, even your friend Unit193 :P
 And lyn||ian :P
 I didn'tunfriend Unit193 O.o
 ah sorry, misreasing
 *misreading
 OMG OMG OMG
 O.o
 Make us a Lubuntu Telegram theme
 @VikingRedwolf
 Did you fix it yet?
 nope
 What about now?
 :|
 Hahahahahaha
 can't. I'm naked
 Anything yet? God this is taking forever
 do you want me to switch on webcam?
 😂😂😂
 .___.
 That doesn't work on telegram does it?
 Images and videos
 Not live though
 If he posts an image, it'll only be visible on here though... :P 😏
 LOL
 omg
 I'm in love
 really
 omg
 Why is that? Works fine on the kubuntu bots
 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 Because I'm not using IrcSome
 Or whatever it's called
 Fix it
 I think I should find the source and use that instead
 acheronuk: Where is the KDE bot source code?
 https://blog.baloneygeek.com/posts/2016/05/07/message-passing-telegram-irc.html
 Hmmm
 Ugh, later. I need a nap.
 K
 Me too I think
 @wxl23 how's that dog of yours?
 :D
 OK, nap time. o/
 Bai
 she's lovely! ❤
[23:02] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: see you found it :)


[00:34] <superm1> oh i should look at what i was reverting ;) it was a comment.  so it must be a commit near there then, and the comment threw bisect off
[16:45] <tjaalton> bryce: assign me to the bugs, and I'll have a look
[16:46] <tjaalton> it's really unfortunate that these regressions happened, but maybe the 7.4 branch has fixes for them already
[16:47] <tjaalton> s/me to the bugs/the bugs to me/
[16:52] <tjaalton> I'll make sure upstream knows about these if they're not fixed already
[16:54] <tjaalton> it's high on my list since  i've been so vocal to follow upstream on this :)
[19:40] <bryce> tjaalton: 359392 is the master bug for this
[19:41] <bryce> tjaalton: other possibly related bugs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/IntelDriver
[19:41] <bryce> notice all the i965-specific freezes starting from early april
[19:48] <tjaalton> ok, I'll hunt them once I get back home
[19:49] <bryce> d805c820: fix potential recursive locking deadlock in _mesa_HashWalk() maybe?
[19:49] <bryce> thanks, we're heading out for easter brunch.  bbiab
[19:52] <knome> hello.
[19:52] <tjaalton> yeah if it's 965 related I should be able to reproduce and test potential fixes
[19:53] <knome> on hardware drivers, nvidia-180 says first that another version of the driver is in use
[19:53] <knome> and when i activate it, it says that it is disabled, but still in use
[19:53] <knome> what can i do to activate it?
[19:58] <tjaalton> knome: upgraded from intrepid?
[19:58] <knome> tjaalton, yes.
[19:58] <tjaalton> so is 180 installed now?
[19:58] <knome> it is
[20:02] <tjaalton> is it used? (look at the logfile)
[20:02] <knome> which logfile?
[20:02] <tjaalton> Xorg.0.log
[20:02] <tjaalton> dmesg should tell as well
[20:03] <superm1> checking dpkg -l | grep nvidia would probably be useful too to make sure none of the 177 bits are still installed
[20:05] <knome> tjaalton, LoadModule: "nvidia"
[20:05] <knome> superm1, there is even some 96-bits
[20:05] <tjaalton> knome: the version string would tell which version is used
[20:06] <knome> tjaalton, 180.44
[20:07] <knome> after boot jockey insists that 180 isn't used.
[20:07] <knome> and can't activate
[20:07] <tjaalton> so it's lying
[20:07] <knome> supposedly
[20:07] <knome> 3d is working fine, though.
[20:07] <knome> just wondering
[20:07] <tjaalton> dunno why
[20:08] <knome> should i file a bug?
[20:09] <tjaalton> not sure
[20:09] <tjaalton> maybe :s
[20:09] <tjaalton> s/s/)/
[20:10] <knome> which files should i include?
[20:10] <knome> and against which package?
[20:14] <tjaalton> use ubuntu-bug
[20:15] <tjaalton> jockey I suppose
[20:23] <knome> filed bug #360161
[20:26] <knome> my screen also goes partly black now and then
[20:26] <knome> eg. if browsing web with firefox, part of the window background might become black.
[20:27] <knome> is this known?
[20:27] <knome> there is no exact steps to reproduce.
[20:28] <knome> this *might* have something to do with my gtk theme, but i'm very sceptical about that.
[20:28] <tjaalton> haven't seen it myself
[20:28] <knome> right
[20:29] <knome> i'll try to get a screenshot of it once it happens again
[20:29] <knome> or a photograph
[21:45] <andresmujica> bryce: please check bug #360193, i was able to reproduce the freeze using mesa 7.3 and the application alarm-clock
[23:31] <bryce> andresmujica: interesting.  My gut suggests it may be a separate freeze issue
[23:32] <bryce> after all, we already have about 20 known freezes before we even got to april 3rd.  ;-)
[23:33] <bryce> from what I've gathered, the april-3rd freeze is not triggerable by a specific user action, it just comes on "randomly" (gods I hate that term!)
[23:34] <bryce> which is why my gut thinks that freezes that are reproducible easily with a specific application, and that aren't resolved by going 7.4->7.3, really sound like a separate issue
[23:34] <andresmujica> hi bryce
[23:34] <andresmujica> well
[23:34] <andresmujica> i'm testing a lot
[23:34] <bryce> good! :-)
[23:34] <bryce> yeah I will try reproducing on my laptop too
[23:34] <andresmujica> and found 2 freeze actions
[23:34] <andresmujica> and 1 "natural" freeze with mesa 7.3
[23:34] <andresmujica> sudo apt-get install alarm-clock
[23:35] <andresmujica> and then start alarm-clock
[23:35] <bryce> oh, also keep in mind there are issues that 7.4 actually fixes, it's not all just new bugs ;-)
[23:35] <andresmujica> your laptop is frozen
[23:35] <andresmujica> ssh from a remote machine and kill the alarm-clock
[23:35] <bryce> ok
[23:35] <andresmujica> and get your system back
[23:35] <bryce> hmm
[23:35] <andresmujica> aslo with strace gcalctool or strace firefox
[23:35] <bryce> ok that sounds like a very different issue, that's not a classic X freeze
[23:35] <andresmujica> yeap
[23:35] <andresmujica> i believe a focus thing
[23:36] <bryce> if you can freeze on strace glxinfo, there's a known bug on that
[23:36] <andresmujica> i' m waiting to get another "natural" freeze to kill app per app
[23:36] <bryce> cool
[23:36] <bryce> ok, switching computers
[23:36] <andresmujica> hmm nop freeze with strace glxinfo
[23:54] <andresmujica1> just got the freeze again, and effectively is not the same as the alarm-clock one, as i cannot recover the system by killing apps...
[23:54] <andresmujica1> the bad thing is i'm using mesa 7.3
[23:55] <andresmujica1> and xserver-xorg-core/xserver-common 1.6.0-0ubuntu1


[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> Is there some way to reply to a bug in Malone and change its status at the same time,  la Bugzilla? It's either hidden away or staring me in the face...
[02:27] <lifeless> not through the web ui
[02:27] <lifeless> if using th email interface then yes
[02:30] <seth_k|lappy> any documentation on the e-mail interface, lifeless ?
[02:34] <lifeless> yup, wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceDoc or something like that
[02:34] <lifeless> search for email on that wiki ;
[02:34] <lifeless> )
[02:34] <seth_k|lappy> thanks :)
[08:25] <SteveA> lifeless: hi
[08:31] <lifeless> SteveA: allo
[08:37] <SteveA> lifeless: do you want to have a bzr/launchpad/supermirror catch up sometime?
[08:47] <lifeless> SteveA: definately
[08:49] <lifeless> I have to do grocery shopping first though
[08:50] <SteveA> ok
[08:53] <carlos> morning
[08:55] <sivang> morning
[09:08] <jblack> znarl: ping
[09:08] <jblack> elmo: ping
[09:11] <SteveA> hi jblack
[09:12] <jblack> hi
[09:12] <SteveA> hello carlos, sivang
[09:12] <carlos> SteveA, hi
[09:13] <Znarl> jblack : Hi
[09:13] <jblack> znarl: Good morning!
[09:13] <jblack> How are you?
[09:13] <Znarl> Very well, thank you.  Yourself?
[09:13] <jblack> Not bad. Coming off a long productive day. =)
[09:14] <jblack> I was wondering if you would mind opening up the firewall a bit so that vostok could reach people.ubuntu.com on port 80
[09:15] <jblack> I snuck in an rt request while you were napping. Its 1318
[09:15] <sivang> labas SteveA :)
[09:15] <Znarl> Yes, I will do that shortly for you.
[09:15] <jblack> Thanks. I'll hang out in the meantime
[09:21] <SteveA> actually, more right than you think
[09:21] <SteveA> at least in pronounciation
[09:21] <SteveA> i'll take a minute and explain...
[09:21] <SteveA> you can greet someone by saying "labas NAME"
[09:21] <SteveA> but, when you address someone with their own name in lithuanian, you need to put the name into the "vocative" case
[09:22] <SteveA> my name, as used in the lithuanian language, is "Styvas".  pronounced roughly "Steevus"
[09:22] <SteveA> the vocative form of a name ending in "-as" is "-ai".  So, the correct greeting for me is "Labas Styvai!"
[09:23] <SteveA> which, spelling aside, is what you wrote above.
[09:27] <sivang> SteveA: ;-)
[09:38] <sivang> SteveA: are some of those rules similar to those russian has?
[09:38] <sivang> (/me has the idea lithuanian and russian are close..)
[09:39] <Znarl> jblack : Done
[09:39] <jblack> awesome. thanks
[09:39] <jblack> wait.
[09:40] <jblack> Oh, never mind.
[09:40] <jblack> thanks very much. ;)
[09:43] <jblack> znarl: Any word on getting ssh acess to supermirror@vostok ?
[09:44] <Znarl> jblack : No word yet.
[09:47] <jblack> lifeless: Ok. the supermirror is supermirroring
[09:47] <jblack> Its slightly creaky, but its pulling its first branch
[09:53] <jblack> znarl: I'm also getting timeouts from vostok to  https://launchpad.net/
[09:53] <SteveA> sivang: lithuanian borrows some words from russian, but the structure of the language is as distant from german as it is from russian
[09:54] <SteveA> jblack: hi
[09:54] <jblack> SteveA: Hi again
[09:54] <Znarl> jblack : Same problem, RT?
[09:54] <SteveA> jblack: kiko and i have access to the admins' RT queue to set priorities
[09:54] <SteveA> so if things are blocking you in RT now, tell me, and i'll shuffle the priority order
[09:54] <jblack> Oh, priorities.
[09:55] <sivang> SteveA: ah, I see. well, the "vocative" form modification was quite interesting to learn about, and doesn't not exist in the two languages I can speak. (I know about romanian but can hardly speak it)
[09:55] <SteveA> i expect romanian has a vocative
[09:55] <jblack> stevea: Thats cool.
[09:58] <jblack> stevea: Please bump #1182
[09:58] <jblack> Also, pleae bump #1320
[09:59] <SteveA> i can't do anything to 1320
[09:59] <SteveA> as it isn't in the launchpad queue yet
[09:59] <jblack> Whats the typical latency between getting an email and you being able to touch it?
[09:59] <jordi> hello
[10:00] <jordi> stub: thanks for considering making that bug a priority :)
[10:00] <Znarl> jblack : I am working on #1320 now.
[10:01] <jblack> Znarl: I am so glad that you've joined the company
[10:01] <SteveA> jblack: it needs an admin to classify the issue as a launchpad one.
[10:02] <Znarl> SteveA : I just pushed the request into launchpad.
[10:03] <jblack> So, is there a way for me to mark something as launchpad related in the rt request and my estimate on priority?
[10:04] <Znarl> jblack : No, but we normally push the requests into the correct queue as soon as possible.
[10:04] <stub> 159 should be closed - too late to worry about
[10:05] <Znarl> stub : Thanks, closing.
[10:05] <stub> I'd like an opinion on 1308 - it might just be a typo in a cronscript somewhere.
[10:06] <SteveA> jblack: i replied to 1320
[10:09] <SteveA> jblack: is it the "internal" port that you need access to?
[10:09] <jblack> Its "https://launchpad.net/products/jatx/"
[10:09] <jblack> pardon
[10:09] <jblack> Its "https://launchpad.net/products/jatx/.bzr/branch-format
[10:10] <SteveA> that gives me a 404
[10:11] <jblack> I get that from the list at "http://gangotri.ubuntu.com:9000/supermirror-pull-list.txt
[10:11] <jblack> I believe that's created by something ddaa wrote
[10:12] <SteveA> jblack: i see
[10:13] <sivang> SteveA: I got a team join request (for .il Ubuntu Translator) from someone with a spammish looking name, when I tried to view the request I got an OOPS-A200. Which if I understood right, means it was already removed. Is there anything automatic that removes spam looking entries?
[10:13] <SteveA> 517 https://launchpad.net/products/jatx
[10:13] <SteveA> i see that line
[10:13] <SteveA> does the supermirror machine have access to http and https on the internet in general?
[10:13] <jblack> Yes
[10:14] <SteveA> sivang: there is nothing that removes things that look spammy automatically
[10:14] <stub> I'm leaning towards adding month and day information to the oops numbers even if it does mean four more digits.
[10:14] <jblack> Typically its supposed to be able to reach "everywhere". There's limitations going into the internal systems on a per host bases.
[10:14] <jblack> I can state that more clearly
[10:15] <SteveA> jblack: i see.  so, what you're saying is that you can get anywhere in general, but there appears to be some special rule saying that you can cannot get to some services hosted at the DC, even though they are public on the internet
[10:15] <SteveA> i understand now
[10:15] <jblack> It can reach the internet in general on http and (should be) https. It gets allowed to other DC hosts on a per host basis, but generally no
[10:15] <jblack> Yes.
[10:15] <SteveA> please clarify in the RT issue, and i'll promote it
[10:15] <sivang> SteveA: how can I know why such a request has been removed?
[10:15] <SteveA> is there a problem with people.ubuntu.com also?
[10:15] <jblack> There was, there is not
[10:16] <SteveA> sivang: no idea
[10:16] <sivang> SteveA: ok, thanks
[10:16] <SteveA> sivang: if it is important, we can look in logs.
[10:17] <SteveA> i probably have more important things to do though
[10:17] <sivang> not important, no.
[10:17] <SteveA> if it happens again, let me know / file a bug
[10:17] <sivang> yes, I will also look at the logs try to understand what brought it's removal.
[10:17] <SteveA> jblack: also note that we'll be making launchpad use http eventually
[10:18] <jblack> stevea: Done
[10:18] <jblack> stevea: Its likely that ddaa did a "fill_in_the_blank" and forgot to go back later and fill the blank in
[10:19] <SteveA> jblack: it's not good to send "raw data" to the RT queue
[10:20] <SteveA> as that puts the burden on the admins to read and make sense of what has arrived there
[10:20] <jblack> Ok. It won't happen agian
[10:21] <lifeless> jblack: thats not a valid branch
[10:22] <jblack> stevea: As concerns using http, that shouldn't matter.
[10:22] <jblack> lifeless: I'm already emailing David with a cc to you on it. :)
[10:22] <lifeless> jblack: looks like a bug. I'll check in the db when I get bakc
[10:22] <lifeless> from shopping
[10:22] <jblack> More shopping?
[10:22] <jblack> Buy me a coke. :)
[10:22] <lifeless> but before you email us
[10:22] <lifeless> do this
[10:22] <lifeless> find the branch in launchpad
[10:23] <lifeless> and see if the data entered has that URL
[10:23] <lifeless> if it does, its a GIGO problem
[10:23] <lifeless> (garbage in , garbage out)
[10:23] <jblack> sure thing
[10:23] <lifeless> and the right fix is to put in place the 'ok that branch failed, move on to the next one' handling for the specific error it gives (probably NotBranchError)
[10:24] <SteveA> so, these are URLs to actual branches?
[10:24] <SteveA> we don't have actual branches at launchpad.net.  just metadata.
[10:24] <jblack> according to https://launchpad.net/people/johnnymast/+branch/jatx/jatx it looks like GIGO
[10:25] <jblack> lifeless: That sounds like about the same thing I was thinking. I'm just not sure how to drive that with a test.
[10:25] <jblack> which I think is just a case of being tired.
[10:26] <lifeless> well
[10:26] <lifeless> I can help you with that 'tomorrow' your cycle
[10:26] <lifeless> SteveA: thats right.
[10:26] <jblack> Ok. its a date
[10:26] <lifeless> SteveA: the urls in that page are the urls branches are found at in the wild, we copy them from there to bazaar.lp.net
[10:27] <SteveA> still, i think it's better that the SM has access to launchpad.net so it can see that the branch is garbage, rather than getting a timeout
[10:28] <SteveA> lifeless: with the merges that were reverted... do you have the names of the owners of the archives the merge was from?
[10:28] <SteveA> that way, i'll know who i need to point this issue out to
[10:28] <SteveA> or, you could email them individually
[10:28] <lifeless> SteveA: they will be in the arch-commits list archives
[10:32] <jblack> Wouldn't that already be covered by stage 2?
[10:33] <jblack> Why do a specific exception in stage 1? That sort of gigo probem is probably somebody having done an UPDATE on the sql server that just took a shot at where we'd be today
[10:41] <lifeless> erm, correct error handling (catching exceptions that stop mirroring) is part of any phase, it just needs to be coded up as we see the exceptions occur
[10:41] <lifeless> bbl
[10:42] <jblack> That, yeah.
[10:43] <jblack> Thats recognized. I'm thinking of something else.
[11:14] <daf> is the Malone email interface documented anywhere?
[11:16] <sivang> jblack: what's still lacking of the RF get script to make it complete?
[11:18] <daf> stub: I'm still moving a bunch of bugs to Accepted, and generally not setting a milestone when I do so
[11:19] <daf> stub: so I suspect that future additional mass-milestonings will be useful
[11:19] <BjornT> daf: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc
[11:19] <stub> daf: ok
[11:19] <daf> stub: maybe we should not milestone wishlist bugs, though
[11:20] <Znarl> jblack : Done
[11:20] <BjornT> stub: which revno of rocketfuel is currently rolled out to production?
[11:20] <daf> BjornT: thanks
[11:21] <stub> BjornT: rocketfuel/launchpad/production/1.4? is the branch - check the log there
[11:21] <BjornT> stub: ok, thanks
[11:22] <daf> perhaps a general way of linking Launchpad pages to wiki pages would be useful
[11:22] <daf> in a context help sort of way
[11:23] <daf> stub: yay! no more &lpnotification= crap!
[11:25] <BjornT> stub: when is the next rollout scheduled to happen?
[11:26] <stub> BjornT: Next week
[11:27] <stub> BjornT: Something urgent?
[11:29] <BjornT> stub: no, nothing urgent. it's just that i should updated the email interface docs, but i don't want to do that before the next rollout, since that should include a patch which will require another update of the documentation.
[11:31] <daf> stub: perhaps you could comment on bug 3958
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3958: Delete my own account? In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3958
[11:31] <daf> maybe we need inactive accounts
[11:33] <stub> daf: We can delete if they are not linked to anything, which is unlikely. We can't have inactive accounts without needing to handle uncontactable people in all of our workflow
[11:34] <stub> c/inactive/other
[11:34] <stub> The usual problems :-(
[11:35] <daf> urgh :(
[11:36] <daf> can you say as much in a comment on the bug?
[11:38] <stub> Done. But they aren't going to like it.
[11:39] <daf> I think that's ok
[11:39] <daf> no point in lying to them
[11:43] <SteveA> well...
[11:43] <SteveA> we can change all the info to "inactive person"
[11:43] <SteveA> and the name to "inactive12345"
[11:47] <stub> They can already do that. I suspect the only thing they can't fix is to remove their final email address
[11:49] <daf> the same guy filed a bug about email addresses
[11:50] <daf> hmm, I can't find it now
[12:06] <carlos> daf, SteveA I was disconnected..
[12:06] <daf> ah
[12:06] <SteveA> carlos, daf: the call ended
[12:06] <SteveA> my network disappeared for a moment
[12:07] <carlos> oh
[12:08] <SteveA> skype keeps managing to lock itself out of the sound device
[12:13] <carlos> daf, https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/translation-review
[12:17] <sivang> re salgado
[12:20] <sivang> carlos: this spec is already implemented?
[12:20] <carlos> sivang, not yet, it's my next big task
[12:20] <matsubara> good morning!
[12:21] <sivang> carlos: that would be koool :) would greatly help evaluate translators as well
[12:24] <salgado> yo sivang
[12:25] <carlos> sivang, yeah ;-)
[12:41] <SteveA> salgado: hello
[12:41] <salgado> hi SteveA
[12:41] <daf> jordi: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/680
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #680: No translation template for tin  In: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/680
[12:42] <SteveA> stub: ?
[12:42] <SteveA> jamesh: ?
[12:42] <SteveA> salgado, stub, jamesh: please come onto #c-m
[12:43] <jordi> daf: this is a TP clash. We need to think what to do with them.
[12:43] <daf> jordi: can you tell the bug reporter that?
[12:50] <jordi> yes
[12:51] <daf> thanks
[12:54] <jordi> done
[12:59] <daf> SteveA: bug 396
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug
[12:59] <daf> https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/396
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug
[12:59] <daf> the current code uses a mixin
[12:59] <daf> is that ok, or should we go for an adaptor
[12:59] <daf> ?
[01:04] <SteveA> daf: i'd need to look over the code.
[01:05] <SteveA> this bug isn't a high priority at all
[01:05] <lifeless> jblack: ok, where were we ?
[01:09] <daf> SteveA: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileskU3aN.html <-- a list of the locations in which it's used
[01:17] <SteveA> daf: the code is fine as it is
[01:17] <SteveA> so the bug report can be closed
[01:17] <SteveA> if we want to use adapters for this later on, we'll just do so
[01:17] <SteveA> no need for the bug report
[01:18] <daf> ok, thanks
[01:26] <daf> jordi: bug 1684
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1684: Hal-device-manager template  In: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1684
[01:33] <daf> jamesh: hurrah!
[01:37] <jordi> daf: reassign 1684 to hal
[01:41] <stub> jamesh:foaf/32-whatever-it-was ?
[01:42] <jamesh> stub: yeah.  Although it looks like the thing I tried didn't work :(
[01:45] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
[01:45] <SteveA> hello lifeless
[01:46] <lifeless> SteveA: shall we in the usual channel?
[02:57] <jbailey> Is there a way to see status history in Malone?  I see that a bug got assigned from the email I received, but I can't see who actually did the assigning, AFAICT.
[02:57] <jbailey> Oh, duh.
[02:58] <jbailey> I'm clearly asleep.  The From has it in the emal.
[02:58] <jbailey> I'm still curious if I can see that information in the web interface, though.
[02:59] <daf> jamesh: "Activity Log"?
[02:59] <daf> er
[02:59] <daf> jbailey: ^^
[03:16] <bradb> Vilnius -> Amsterdam -> (flight cancelled to Montreal) -> Boston (shit, where are my bags?) -> New York (shit, where's my iPod?) -> Montreal and other travel itineraries I wouldn't wish upon the devil himself.
[03:23] <jamesh> salgado: ping?
[03:26] <salgado> jamesh, pong
[03:27] <jamesh> salgado: I was looking at the Person.join() method, and had a few questions
[03:28] <jamesh> salgado: if the team is moderated, and the user already has a TeamMembership record relating them to that team, it looks like it will only let them join if their current status is DECLINED
[03:28] <jamesh> is that intended?
[03:29] <jamesh> i.e. it seems that they can't join if the status is DEACTIVATED or EXPIRED
[03:30] <salgado> jamesh, yes, that's how it's supposed to work. IIRC, the spec has an ASCII diagram which shows all possible transitions between all the statuses
[03:31] <salgado> jamesh, yes, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TeamMembership has it
[03:31] <jamesh> salgado: so if I deactivate my membership with a team, I can't propose myself again?
[03:32] <jamesh> salgado: I could understand preventing people from proposing themselves if they've been declined, but the reverse seems wrong
[03:32] <salgado> that's right, you can't
[03:32] <salgado> I remember we discussed this at HBD, but I don't remember the rationale for this solution we came up with
[03:33] <salgado> anyway, looking at it now, I think I agree with you that we should allow the transition from either Deactivated or Expired back to Proposed
[03:48] <jamesh> salgado: the ascii diagram on that wiki page seems to relate to the state transitions a team administrator can perform
[03:48] <jamesh> salgado: it doesn't seem to indicate how a user can move themselves to the PROPOSED state
[03:48] <jamesh> (I think it is assumed that they can propose themselves)
[03:50] <SteveA> jamesh: hi.  i was thinking of writing an error report log analysis script today.  are you already working on that?
[03:52] <jamesh> SteveA: I wrote an equivalent of kiko's analysis script, which is in my ErrorReportManagement branch
[03:52] <salgado> jamesh, I guess you're right. if this is not an urgent issue I'd ask you to file a bug and assign it to me, so I won't forget it when I come back from my holidays
[03:54] <jamesh> salgado: I've just been looking over the code, trying to track down the occasional test failure in the foaf page tests
[05:27] <bradb> lifeless: Hi. From a quick search of my commits folder, it doesn't look like you landed my --story patch. Is that correct? If so, do you mind if I land at least the Launchpad test_pages API change for it, so that I don't have to hack my bug contacts patch anymore than needed?
[06:08] <bradb> jblack: around?
[06:09] <bradb> bradb@oxygen:~/canonical/malone-initial-bug-contacts $ bzr push sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/bradb/launchpad/malone-initial-bug-contacts/
[06:09] <bradb> bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/bradb/launchpad/malone-initial-bug-contacts/ does not exist.
[06:16] <LarstiQ> presumably because the parent directory doesn't exist
[06:16] <bradb> LarstiQ: Wishful thinking.
[06:17] <LarstiQ> I must admit sftp urls are a mess currently
[06:17] <LarstiQ> even the sftp ieftp draft authors agreed with that
[06:27] <SteveA> jordi: ping?
[06:28] <jordi> pong
[07:14] <jbailey> Is there a separate product for things in launchpad under "code"?  I'm trying to search to see if the bug I have already exists, and I'm surprised that nothing but CoC stuff comes up when I search for code
[07:17] <SteveA> jbailey: no, but there should be
[07:18] <SteveA> it used to be called "buttress"
[07:18] <SteveA> now it is "branches" or "code in launchpad" or something
[07:18] <jbailey> *lol*
[07:18] <jbailey> So filing it against launchpad is most-correct for now?
[07:18] <SteveA> i'll need to ask ddaa / lifeless / jblack what the name should be
[07:18] <SteveA> sure
[07:18] <SteveA> that's always a good fallback
[07:19] <jbailey> np.  It seems like a fairly obvious bug, so I wanted to do a good job searching before filing.
[07:43] <bradb> lifeless, jbailey: ping
[07:43] <jbailey> bradb: On phone lagging.
[07:43] <bradb> er, sorry
[07:43] <bradb> jblack: ping :)
[07:44] <jbailey> bradb: Fine, don't want me.  See if I care  8'(  *sniff*
[07:44] <bradb> heh
[08:01] <ptlo> hello, i have a rosetta question. right now, people can translate both 'breezy' and 'dapper'. should we concentrate on translating breezy [if the translations will be transferred to dapper] , or dapper packages?  and if breezy translations will be transferred, how can we assure they don't overwrite the changes someone did to wrapper, or is that done manually?
[08:05] <matsubara> jordi, carlos: ^^
[08:17] <mdke> ptlo, breezy translations appear as suggestions in the dapper section
[08:19] <ptlo> is it possible for loco coordinator to somehow apply all the suggestions as the default values for a particular package translation? else it will be a lot of copy-paste .]
[08:25] <jbailey> LarstiQ: I'm off now.
[08:28] <ptlo> oh...as far as i can see, you can't do that [apply suggestions] . hm, i think that would be a good feature
[08:30] <mdke> ptlo, me too
[08:32] <ptlo> should i file the feature request in malone or bugzilla? i'm going with malone [any launchpad devs alive at the moment, feel free to point me in the right direction or flame me if you think the request's stupid]
[08:34] <SteveA> ptlo: this is about translations?
[08:34] <ptlo> yes
[08:34] <SteveA> you should file it as a bug on the rosetta product
[08:34] <ptlo> thanks
[08:35] <mdke> search first
[08:35] <mdke> i think it's a common feature req
[08:36] <ptlo> yup, https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/1522
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1522: No good way to approve suggested translations in rosetta In: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522
[08:36] <ptlo> mdke. heh, it's your bug report .]
[08:36] <mdke> oh whoops
[08:37] <LarstiQ> jbailey: oh, it was more to compensate for brad :)
[08:37] <ptlo> i guess i should say that i agree with you [not you with me] , then .] ]
[08:37] <mdke> :)
[08:39] <Pygi> hehe, any chance to see that implemented soon?
[08:39] <mdke> bug carlos
[08:39] <jbailey> LarstiQ: *lol*
[08:41] <mdke> you might want to improve the translations
[08:41] <ptlo> [no bazar branches for rosetta]
[08:41] <mdke> if not, download the breezy po and upload to dapper
[08:41] <ptlo> oh, for the transfer, sure, that's ok
[08:42] <mdke> ptlo, also, rosetta isn't open source afaik
[08:42] <ptlo> but ubuntu-hr loco team has the policy of many people giving suggestions, and then somebody from the team authorizing it, so now i've got one guy who translated a package, and we were in contact the whole time, and i trust in his judgement, but i still have to do the manual updating
[08:42] <ptlo> so, it's actually a more pressing issue now .]
[08:42] <ptlo> oh, i didn't know that
[08:44] <ptlo> ah, well...copy paste, it is
[08:49] <bradb> So, anyone else experiencing the bzr push error that I mentioned earlier?
[08:50] <jbailey> bradb: Remind me the error?
[08:50] <bradb> bradb@oxygen:~/canonical/malone-initial-bug-contacts $ bzr push sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/bradb/launchpad/malone-initial-bug-contacts/
[08:51] <bradb> bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/bradb/launchpad/malone-initial-bug-contacts/ does not exist.
[08:51] <bradb> This suddenly seems to happen on all the branches on which I've been working
[08:51] <jbailey> Double slash before the word "home"
[08:52] <jbailey> What you have there is a URI that indicates a path relative to your home directory.
[08:52] <bradb> I don't get it. How does that explain the sftp URLs at http://pqm.ubuntu.com/?
[08:53] <LarstiQ> bradb: sftp uris in flux I'm afraid
[08:53] <jbailey> Feh, the page doesn't declare character set correctly.
[08:54] <jbailey> bradb: The page is apparently wrong?
[08:54] <jbailey> Oh, I see.
[08:54] <jbailey> The sftp URI change is post-0.6
[08:55] <jbailey> jdub and I were unsuccesful at convincing mpool that he wanted to move to a time based release system.  I keep forgetting what's in the current release and what's not.
[08:56] <bradb> I would so love to customize the Malone experience for the bzr dev team :)
[08:57] <bradb> "No, no, *last* week it was the bug ID that you use to mark a duplicate; this week it's the /task/ id."
[08:58] <mdke> ptlo, perhaps you should add a few more people to the translation team...
[09:02] <ptlo> mdke: perhaps. well, we are 5 or 6 on the team, and we're encouraging contributions from the croatian users, and we act as "editors" for the contributions. maybe we should take the more active ones into our team, though
[09:03] <mdke> ptlo, sure, you can arrange whatever structure you like...
[09:06] <ptlo> mdke: we're not a large community, and we try to involve as much people as possible/sensible [not only on the translations, but that's the topic here]  - and the croatian translation is very incomplete at this point
[09:08] <mdke> cool
[10:02] <carlos> ptlo, hi
[10:03] <ptlo> hey carlos
[10:03] <jordi> hey
[10:03] <jordi> just came back
[10:03] <ptlo> should i bug you about that feature request? i think it'd be very helpful to have such an option
[10:04] <carlos> ptlo, dapper is not ready to be translated but we got some packages imported accidently. It should be ready to translate next month
[10:04] <jordi> ptlo: we're working on transferring breezy/hoary translations to dapper
[10:04] <ptlo> cool
[10:04] <jordi> ptlo: regarding moving suggestions to translated strings, there's a plan for that
[10:05] <jordi> carlos, what's the spec name for that?
[10:05] <ptlo> jordi: will this be completely automated, or will we be able / have to manually map dapper->breezy translations?
[10:05] <jordi> TranslationReview?
[10:05] <jordi> ptlo: carlos knows better
[10:06] <ptlo> there's this: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TranslationReview
[10:06] <Pygi> carlos: and what about the things that we already translated in dapper? will they stay?
[10:07] <carlos> jordi, translation-reviews
[10:07] <ptlo> the new design on TranslationReview page looks cool, I'd very much like to have that
[10:07] <ptlo> Pygi: if need be, we can backup those translations in local .po before the transfer, so no work gets lost
[10:09] <Pygi> ptlo: yup, as long as we know when will the *big erase* gonna start ;)
[10:11] <bradb> How do I break a branch lock with bzr?
[10:11] <bradb> ("break" or at least just unlock it :)
[10:14] <carlos> ptlo, well, we are going to do an automated copy from breezy to dapper
[10:15] <carlos> after that, the sync between both releases will be handled by the translations review functionality and some other features we will be adding
[10:15] <carlos> ptlo, no translations will be lost, all changes will remain or set as suggestions
[10:15] <ptlo> i see
[10:15] <Pygi> no, not suggestions again :/ ( a lot of copy/paste thingy)
[10:15] <ptlo> that's cool
[10:16] <ptlo> Pygi: look at the TranslationReview page ... if that is implemented, it's a few clicks away
[10:16] <Pygi> yup, I saw....
[10:16] <ptlo> carlos: we were in the dark regarding this, as this is not explicitly mentioned nowhere - so we didn't know on which version we should concentrate
[10:18] <carlos> ptlo, well, the main problem is that ubuntu is not yet using launchpad to handle package uploads
[10:18] <jordi> carlos: when's that going to happen, btw?
[10:20] <carlos> but for dapper and new releases its usage means that as soon as the new version appears, the translations will be available
[10:21] <carlos> jordi, I think we are running gina on production atm
[10:21] <carlos> but I'm not 100% sure
[10:21] <jordi> I thought that was it, is there anything else needed?
[10:24] <carlos> jordi, TranslationUploads
[10:25] <jordi> aha
[10:25] <carlos> jordi, It landed this afternoon but is not on production
[10:25] <jordi> which goes live like RSN
[10:25] <jordi> great
[10:31] <carlos> jordi, RSN?
[10:32] <jordi> real soon now
[10:36] <sivang> SteveA: re: selenium *sweet*.
[10:36] <sivang> (I'm running through it's self test run)
[10:36] <carlos> jordi,  :-P
[10:39] <sivang> SteveA: at work, we evaluated using TestGen4Web, but this looks cleaner, doesn't need you to install stuff onto firefox and just works..nice.
[11:18] <sivang> night
[11:19] <Pygi> night
[11:48] <lifeless> moin moin


[21:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: how permanent do you think the contents of /etc/ld.so.conf.d/pipewire-jack-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf will be?
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> Never thought about it. Not a file I'd touch unless I knew what I was doing.
[21:55] <OvenWerks> I have to remove it to be able to use jackd
[21:55] <OvenWerks>  I have to be able to replce it to use pipewire as jack
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> That's scary, because manipulating anything in /etc from a packaging standpoint is rough.
[21:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: basically I need to have a copy of it in /usr/share/studio-controls/
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> Right, so a temp copy if doing the switch.
[21:57] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:58] <OvenWerks> it is a one line file that puts the directory with pw's libjack at the front of the lib path
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> makes sense to me, as long as it's a copy of what's there that goes back if the user switches back using studio-controls.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> Actually it should be switched back before doing a pw package update as well
[22:00] <OvenWerks> (I wouold guess)
[22:00] <OvenWerks> Maybe I need an empty copy too
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> Well, maybe. The thing is dpkg just knows not to overwrite a file in /etc if it's been changed in any way, including deletions.
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> It usually defers that to the user if they want the new version if it differs from the original version.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> but if it changes in the package, I want the new contents :)
[22:02] <OvenWerks> even if it defers it to the user, does not also write a file with the same name with a .new extension or something?
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> Depends on what the user selects.
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> If the user selects "N" it will make a .new. If the user selects "Y" it will make a .old with the former contents.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> The gui uses "no" as default I think
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> No is usually the default in text and in gui.
[22:05] <OvenWerks> So I should look for those files as well.
[22:05] <OvenWerks> What happens if the file is just.... missing?
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> Probably, but we're just going off of memory more than anything.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> If the file is missing, then dpkg treats it as if the file has been modified by the user.
[22:07] <OvenWerks> All it has in it is: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pipewire-0.3/jack/
[22:14] <Eickmeyer> Literally just a path.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> yes this makes me think there is more to ld.so.conf(.d) than the man page says
[22:26] <OvenWerks> I am pretty sure ldconfig still reads: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ where there is a libjack.so also.
[22:30] <OvenWerks> So the problem is that the contents of that file are going to change because the directory name: pipewire-0.3 is going to change with the pipewire version
[22:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, makes sense.


[00:00] <hirisov> u see my "scenario" is that i have some sensitive data on an external usb drive which i wanna store on u1 encrypted just as a safety backup
[00:00] <hirisov> i dont want to browse it on u1 websoite or anything
[00:00] <hirisov> so my idea is to use a Private directory in my $HOME
[00:00] <hirisov> every once in a week or so
[00:00] <hirisov> i rsync there my external drive
[00:01] <hirisov> (after mounting an other partition to ~/Private with cryptfs)
[00:01] <hirisov> after rsync done i umount cryptfs from ~/Private
[00:02] <hirisov> now ~/Private contains encrypted files
[00:02] <hirisov> and now do the u1 sync
[00:02] <verterok> hirisov: cryptfs stores all the files in a single file, right?
[00:03] <hirisov> no, the filenames still remains the same
[00:03] <hirisov> but the content is encrypted
[00:03] <hirisov> so if i chaneg 3 files in 30000
[00:03] <hirisov> not 1 big file will change
[00:03] <hirisov> but just that 3
[00:03] <hirisov> basically all files became binary
[00:03] <verterok> hirisov: so, you can actually browse that using the webui
[00:03] <hirisov> with a strong encryption
[00:04] <hirisov> webui will only show the name of files and directories
[00:04] <hirisov> but not the content
[00:04] <verterok> hirisov: yes, the web don't show the contents
[00:04] <hirisov> with cryptfs i could choose the encrypt the filenames as well so they became garbage also
[00:04] <hirisov> but that not a goal now
[00:04] <verterok> hirisov: but you will be able to download specific files
[00:04] <verterok> ?
[00:05] <hirisov> ye but they r unusable w/o the decrypt key
[00:05] <hirisov> even if sy gets them
[00:05] <verterok> hirisov: ok, I understand
[00:05] <hirisov> but for thsi to work the u1 sync proicess can only run
[00:05] <hirisov> after i finished rsync and unmounted crpytfs from ~/Private
[00:05] <verterok> hirisov: when the encrypted paritition isn't mounted, what's in ~/Private?
[00:05] <hirisov> if it just starts to think whenever it thinks
[00:06] <hirisov> all the same files but they r encrypted
[00:06] <verterok> hirisov: and when you mount it, it decrypts de files inplace?
[00:06] <hirisov> after "moutning" cryptfs it just means the content becamoes readable by any application
[00:06] <hirisov> ye
[00:06] <verterok> hirisov: hmm..got it
[00:06] <verterok> hirisov: you might nee to be extra carefull with that setup
[00:07] <hirisov> so ~/Private whyn cryptfs is moutned contaisn nromal files, when cryptfs is unmounted it contains encoded garbage
[00:07] <verterok> hirisov: e.g: never mounting it when syncdaemon is running
[00:07] <hirisov> well it's just a backup
[00:07] <hirisov> exactly
[00:07] <hirisov> thats why i'd like to know/control when sycndaemon exactly runs
[00:08] <hirisov> and i think this feature would be a major plus for u1 for all the users who r concerned about uploading sensitive data to a cloud
[00:09] <hirisov> and as i see all it needs is that there would be a safe way to stop/start the sync daemon
[00:09] <hirisov> which takes into account taht it's actually syncing or not
[00:09] <hirisov> sadly i don't have the knowledge to program that DBus signal catching script u mentioned :(
[00:09] <verterok> hirisov: ATM, you can do that manually
[00:10] <verterok> hirisov: e.g: after unmounting the parition: u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect
[00:10] <verterok> hirisov: to check what syncdaemon is doing: u1sdtool --status
[00:10] <verterok> hirisov: once it reach IDLE: u1sdtool --quit
[00:11] <hirisov> great, this is good enough for me
[00:11] <verterok> hirisov: let me show you what's the output of an IDLE syncdaemon
[00:11] <hirisov> as long as i can be sure that if i disable the u1 service from system>preferences>startup
[00:12] <hirisov> then until i say " u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect" u1sync wont try to do anything
[00:12] <verterok> hirisov: you can change a config value to stop syncdaemon to start
[00:12] <hirisov> is taht correct?
[00:12] <verterok> at all
[00:12] <verterok> hirisov: yes
[00:12] <hirisov> where can i change taht config value?
[00:13] <verterok> hirisov: all the config options are available at: /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[00:14] <verterok> hirisov: if you want to change something for a specific user
[00:14] <verterok> hirisov: you need to create ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[00:14] <verterok> hirisov: config changes are reloaded on start, so if you change something you need to quit and start syncdaemon
[00:15] <hirisov> sure ty, the global way will be ok for me now
[00:15] <verterok> hirisov: if you put this in that file:
[00:15] <verterok> [__main__]
[00:15] <verterok> files_sync_enabled = 0
[00:15] <verterok> hirisov: syncdaemon will not start
[00:15] <verterok> hirisov: when you want to make it start, change the value to 1. and u1sdtool --start
[00:16] <verterok> hirisov: that value is the one that the preferences app change when you uncheck the file synchronization checkbox ;)
[00:16] <verterok> hirisov: you should not change the global config :)
[00:17] <hirisov> i see, so if i uncheck everything in the "services" tab of the preferences app
[00:17] <hirisov> then i'm safe taht nothing starts before i manually enable it and start the sync?
[00:18] <verterok> hirisov: yeap
[00:18] <hirisov> great, a bit manual but well i dont exaclty use it for what you "intended" for so it's okay
[00:19] <verterok> hirisov: also, if you want the full power of manual sync, you can use u1sync
[00:19] <verterok> hirisov: it's a command line tool to sync stuff manually
[00:20] <hirisov> is taht a separate package?
[00:20] <hirisov> seems i dont have such "command"
[00:20] <verterok> hirisov: it's in the ubuntuone-client-tools, and it's intended to power users only..as you might shoot in the foot
[00:20] <hirisov> hehe :))
[00:21] <hirisov> well thanks a lot for this info, i do the trm about it
[00:21] <verterok> hirisov: np
[00:21] <hirisov> probably taht will be the best way
[00:22] <hirisov> i really think however taht when things settle down a bit it would be worth the look into integratr some similar crypt solutions to u1
[00:22] <hirisov> taht would be a MAJOR plus afaik on the market
[00:22] <verterok> indeed
[00:22] <hirisov> and as i see we have all the tools needed for it just some glue needed;)
[00:23] <hirisov> and ecryptfs is a nice standard tool, ubuntu uses this very tool when u install it with "encrypted hoem directory" so all the packages etc r there
[00:33] <waltercool> i need a specific port for ubuntu one music store?
[00:35] <verterok> waltercool: I think the store uses http(s)
[00:36] <waltercool> verterok: So... is strange... im on a place with restricted navigation (hotspot) and i cant access to UOMS, i just can see a "nternet connection is required to access the music store" message
[00:37] <verterok> waltercool: let me check locally
[00:37] <waltercool> ok
[00:37] <waltercool> ty
[00:40] <verterok> waltercool: rhytmobox seems to be using port 80
[00:40] <waltercool> verterok: how did you debug that?
[00:41] <verterok> waltercool: netstat -putanl | grep ESTABLISHED | grep rhythmbox
[00:42] <waltercool> verterok: oh... but you need have that working...
[00:42] <verterok> waltercool: what do I need?
[00:43] <waltercool> verterok: i cant get ubuntu one music store working... just appear like disconnected
[00:44] <verterok> waltercool: I just restarted rhytmbox, and it first connect using 443
[00:44] <verterok> then it uses port 80 for the store browsing
[00:45] <waltercool> port 443?
[00:45] <waltercool> for logging?
[00:45] <verterok> waltercool: <IP_ADDRESS>:443
[00:45] <waltercool> log in
[00:46] <verterok> waltercool: might be, not really sure what the rhythmbox plugin do
[00:46] <waltercool> thats a Ubuntu One IP
[00:46] <waltercool> maybe i need port 443 for get it working =/
[00:46] <verterok> waltercool: yes
[00:47] <waltercool> well... that sTucks...
[00:48] <verterok> waltercool: weird that you can't use port 443
[00:49] <verterok> :(
[00:51] <waltercool> verterok: because my hotspot (im on my university) have all ports blocked
[00:51] <verterok> ah, ok...that's bad :(
[00:53] <waltercool> verterok: yeah, and i need work with ssh =/
[00:53] <waltercool> verterok: im lucky, because webchat exists =D
[00:53] <verterok> :)
[00:54] <hirisov> verterok, pls is http://pastebin.com/5Ts3gCX9 indicate that synxc is in IDLE state?
[00:54] <verterok> hirisov: oh, sorry I completely forgot about that :?
[00:54] <verterok> :/
[00:55] <verterok> hirisov: yes, that's IDLE
[00:55] <hirisov> no need for sorry really i appreciatte all your help
[00:55] <waltercool> seems normal hirisov
[00:56] <hirisov> okay now if i do " u1sdtool --quit " in the preferences app the sync starst instantly
[00:56] <hirisov> why is that?:)
[00:57] <hirisov> says "sync in progress" (guess tahst the english version, it appears hungarian"
[00:57] <hirisov> in hungarian to me)
[00:58] <verterok> hirisov: hmm, seems that the preferences app it's starting syncdaemon again..let me check that real quick
[00:58] <hirisov> now the pref app says "disconnected", but it definitelly tried to sync
[00:59] <hirisov> it doens't says "sync is complete" like after a nromal sync, but this "disconnected"
[00:59] <hirisov> so probably it doesnt start it just the text is msileading?
[01:01] <verterok> hirisov: might be a bug in the preferences app
[01:01] <hirisov> sure ty, meanwhile i do another test after a--start && --connect i'll --quit again and watch the --status what's exactly happening
[01:02] <hirisov> (btw is taht normal i synced 30 mins ago first and tehre is onyl 1 file in my directory with the size of 12 KB and i cant see it on the web?)
[01:04] <verterok> hirisov: not sure what you'r looking
[01:04] <verterok> hirisov: did you marked Private to be synced?
[01:04] <hirisov> https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[01:04] <hirisov> ye
[01:05] <hirisov> right clicked on it in nautilus and told it to sync
[01:05] <verterok> hirisov: ok, could you run: u1sdtool --list-folders ?
[01:05] <verterok> hirisov: better, do you see the Private folder in the web?
[01:05] <hirisov> i dont see it
[01:05] <hirisov> and it says "No folders"
[01:05] <verterok> hirisov: so it never synced
[01:06] <verterok> hirisov: please run: u1sdtool --list-folders
[01:06] <hirisov> i ran, it says "no filders"
[01:06] <verterok> hirisov: so, it seems ~/Private isn't under syncdaemon control
[01:07] <hirisov> http://pastebin.com/5VY6AUCy
[01:07] <verterok> hirisov: is the syncdaemon connected?
[01:07] <hirisov> hm and how is taht possible?
[01:07] <hirisov> ye, i ran "u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect"
[01:07] <verterok> hirisov: it might never executed that action in the server
[01:07] <verterok> hirisov: as your token was invalid
[01:07] <verterok> hirisov: is the client in IDLE state?
[01:07] <hirisov> ye
[01:08] <hirisov> and it just finsihed the sync 30 secs ago
[01:08] <hirisov> my token is valid for 1 hr now
[01:08] <hirisov> and i marked the foler after it
[01:08] <hirisov> folder*
[01:09] <verterok> hirisov: please check (using nautilus) if you can mark the folder to be synced with u1 or to stop syncing it
[01:09] <hirisov> "sharo on ubuntu one"
[01:09] <hirisov> share*
[01:09] <verterok> hirisov: no
[01:09] <hirisov> "stop u1 syncron"
[01:09] <hirisov> both greyed out
[01:09] <verterok> hirisov: yes, that..
[01:09] <hirisov> no other options
[01:09] <verterok> hmm, ok
[01:10] <hirisov> i cannot actually click on these options
[01:10] <hirisov> but before it was "sync with u1" and i choose that
[01:10] <verterok> hirisov: please run: u1sdtool --create-folder=$HOME/Private
[01:11] <verterok> hirisov: syncdameon should chrun a bit and go back to IDLE state
[01:11] <hirisov> running, takes a while
[01:11] <verterok> hirisov: oh, actually it will start syncing the folder
[01:11] <verterok> hirisov: check in the web if you have the Private folder there
[01:11] <hirisov> yes the folder appeared on the web!
[01:12] <verterok> hirisov: so it might take a while as the server are a bit slow...but it will eventually finish the sync
[01:12] <hirisov> hm probably if i disabel u1 service" it cannot register when i add folders?
[01:12] <verterok> hirisov: probably
[01:12] <verterok> hirisov: as syncdaemon isn't running
[01:13] <hirisov> and nautilus signals the syncdaemon?
[01:13] <verterok> hirisov: yes, via DBus
[01:13] <hirisov> i see, so i shoudl enable the service, set up all the folders i wanna sync, then i can disable the service
[01:13] <hirisov> and do a reboot and after that the --start && --connect method shoudl be fine
[01:13] <verterok> hirisov: yes, once the folders get  synced ;)
[01:14] <hirisov> ofc :))
[01:14] <verterok> hirisov: I need to step out for bit, but be back later
[01:14] <hirisov> sure mate np
[01:14] <verterok> ttyl!
[01:14] <hirisov> also i go sleep now just u know shiny exciting tool
[01:14] <hirisov> hard to leave it when it's halfway done;)
[01:22] <hirisov> gnite all
[01:26] <waltercool> gnite
[01:26]  * waltercool is late
[03:37] <terwilliger> I've got the "Synchronization in progress..." blues. Any devs around?
[03:41] <crashsystems> No matter how often I click the "add this computer" button, my computer is not added, and I just see the confirm screen again. Is this a known problem?
[04:50] <steveplatz> I have a fresh lucid install with no u1 prefs start-up
[06:32] <cx> hello
[06:32] <cx> does the outage disable the "Add This Computer" button on the ubuntu one website?
[06:33] <cx> ah, I see there's a FAQ entry on this
[06:34] <cx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#Account
[12:30] <prouchon> In 10.04, I cannot sync my files anymore. Does anyone has the same issue ?
[13:13] <Vincent_k> yes
[13:13] <Vincent_k> I've had a nightmare with u1
[13:14] <Vincent_k> now it seems to work for no reason all of a sudden thouhg
[13:15] <duanedesign> hello Vincent_k
[13:28] <Vincent_k> hello
[14:30] <jimmij> honk
[14:31] <jimmij> so am i to understand that music i've bought won't download to my machines over the weekend?
[14:51] <duanedesign> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[14:53] <duanedesign> sorry about that :\
[14:54] <stewart_> honk
[15:01] <stewart_> honk
[15:40] <Terwilliger> "honk"
[17:03] <Moe> uh, honk
[17:03] <Moe> (Once again)
[17:03] <Moe> Regular syncing is supposed to work, isn't it?
[17:03] <Moe> File-wise
[17:14] <schaze> honk
[17:29] <schaze> still honking :)
[17:31] <Moe> hehe, I was honking  around six .. nobody showed up yet
[17:31] <Moe> But it's the weekend
[17:31] <Moe> So I guess that's ok
[17:32] <schaze> :) I though it was worth a try
[17:32] <schaze> So what's your problem, maybe we can help each other
[17:34] <duanedesign> Moe: hello
[17:34] <Moe> hey duanedesign
[17:35] <duanedesign> Moe: having trouble syncing?
[17:35] <Moe> duanedesign: Indeed I do
[17:35] <Moe> I see that it's connecting .. but, supposedly, doesn't want to sync
[17:35] <duanedesign> Moe: is this a new install?
[17:36] <Moe> No, it's an upgraded installation
[17:36] <Moe> It used to work
[17:36] <duanedesign> ok
[17:36] <Moe> I bought a couple of tracks through the music store
[17:36] <Moe> And most of them synced fine
[17:36] <Moe> But because of a hickup a couple of them didn't get transfered
[17:37] <duanedesign> Moe: do you have Ubuntu One connected now?
[17:37] <Moe> Yes, I do
[17:37] <duanedesign> can you open a Terminal and see what you get from this command.  u1sdtool -s
[17:38] <Moe> Sure
[17:38] <Moe> "doing the auth dance"
[17:39] <duanedesign> could you paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com and post the address here
[17:40] <Moe> Of course, sec
[17:40] <Moe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425971/
[17:41] <Moe> It is still doing the dance though
[17:41] <Moe> That might very well be why it doesn't sync I guess
[17:41] <duanedesign> yeah
[17:42] <Moe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425973/
[17:43] <Moe> Now it changed .. doesn't look very promising thogh
[17:43] <duanedesign> nope
[17:44] <Moe> well, I guess it's not unusual given the lynx just got unleached
[17:44] <Moe> The servers must be getting hammered by requests right now
[17:46] <duanedesign> one sec, i am testing mine to see what i get
[17:46] <Moe> Roger that
[17:47] <DMark> Can anyone help me add this computer using lynx?
[17:47] <duanedesign> hello DMark
[17:47] <duanedesign> I can
[17:47] <DMark> hello duanedesign,
[17:48] <DMark> I am on https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/  step 8, and cannot find the add this computer button.
[17:48] <duanedesign> yeah it is a bug that has been affecting some people   http://bit.ly/caHbOf
[17:49] <duanedesign> DMark: you will need to close the client and run : u1sdtool -q; kilall-ubuntuone-login
[17:49] <duanedesign> then when you open ubuntu one from the me menu it will open firefox to add your computer
[17:50] <DMark> That looks like it worked.  Thank you.
[17:50] <duanedesign> Moe: ok. well it took a bit but mine looks like it connected
[17:51] <terwilliger> honk
[17:51] <Moe> mhm, I just checked
[17:51] <Moe> It's still in "limbo"
[17:51] <Moe> Maybe I should restart the daemon
[17:52] <duanedesign> Moe: is there anything in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[17:52] <duanedesign> terwilliger: hello
[17:52] <terwilliger> Hi Duaje
[17:52] <terwilliger> Duane
[17:52] <terwilliger> When you have a minute, I'm still not getting sync'd
[17:53] <duanedesign> Moe: if that is empty check ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log
[17:53] <duanedesign> terwilliger: are you trying to connect right now?
[17:53] <Moe> Nope, it does hold a couple of errors
[17:53] <terwilliger> Yup
[17:53] <Moe> It's actually the same error over and over again
[17:53] <duanedesign> terwilliger: can you run u1sdtool -s
[17:54] <terwilliger> Sure. Hang on
[17:54] <Moe> duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425976/
[17:54] <duanedesign> terwilliger: in a Terminal and then paste the results at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:55]  * Moe restarts the daemon .. while discovering a rouge ubuntuone-login process
[17:55] <duanedesign> Moe: ok lets try and reauthenticate your computer.
[17:56] <terwilliger> Done
[17:56] <duanedesign> terwilliger: after you paste it you will get an address like paste.ubuntu/derfgg
[17:56] <duanedesign> post that here.
[17:56] <Moe> duanedesign: After the restart it did connect now .. I suppose the "rouge" ubuntuone-login process did prevent it from logging in correctly
[17:57] <Moe> Let's see whether it's going to sync now
[17:57] <duanedesign> Moe: interesting.
[17:57] <terwilliger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425977/
[17:57] <schaze> duanedesign: I have the same exceptions as Moe. I already tried, mine is not syncing
[17:58] <duanedesign> terwilliger: ok yours is connected and working on a sync. Things are just really slow right now with the release. Everyone is filling up there Ubuntu One folders and buying music
[17:58] <Moe> Yay for buying music ;)
[17:58] <duanedesign> schaze: what do you get when you run: u1sdtool -s
[17:59] <terwilliger> Hmmmm..."Synchronization in progress..." has been showing for 17 minutes for a 182 K upload?
[17:59] <Moe> I really like the store being connected directly to the cloud .. it makes keeping a music library across computers so much easier
[18:00] <terwilliger> Duanedesign: Good enough. Thnx
[18:00] <schaze> duanedesign: I just did a u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login ... one sec
[18:00] <Moe> duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425979/ - Now it says it's syncing .. but there is no network activity at all
[18:00] <Moe> I wonder what it's doing
[18:00] <duanedesign> terwilliger: yeah, i know its pretty slow right now. They have added more servers to speed things up
[18:00] <Moe> The ubuntuone-preferences dialog isn't very verbose
[18:00] <schaze> duanedesign: dancing
[18:01] <duanedesign> schaze: ok
[18:02] <duanedesign> schaze: then it should go to State: AUTHENTICATE
[18:02] <schaze> duanedesign: it just got an exception and is now retrying
[18:03] <duanedesign> schaze: did you have the two ubuntuone-login processes like Moe
[18:03] <schaze> duanedesign: "waiting before try connecting again"
[18:04] <schaze> duanedesign: at the moment I have 1, did not check how many it were before though
[18:05] <Moe> duanedesign: It's syncing!
[18:05] <Moe> At least u1sdtool --current-transfers says so
[18:05] <duanedesign> Moe: allright!
[18:05] <Moe> Great
[18:06] <Moe> Thank you for your help
[18:06] <Moe> Appreciate it
[18:06] <schaze> duanedesign: syncdaemon.log --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425981/
[18:06] <duanedesign> Moe: no problem, anytime :)
[18:06] <Moe> :)
[18:07] <schaze> duanedesign: ah, now it is "doing server rescan"
[18:08] <duanedesign> schaze: aha
[18:09] <schaze> duanedesign: processing queues
[18:09] <duanedesign> schaze: sounds like you made it through :)
[18:10] <schaze> duanedesign: I have been there already this morning. Problem is it will get until the queues: IDLE state but I never get a green check on the folders of my synced folders
[18:10] <schaze> duanedesign: files are green though. And I can't stop an outside folder from being synced
[18:11] <duanedesign> schaze: do you have a ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log  from around that time
[18:11] <schaze> duanedesign: only one with errrors Moe posted. And that was while connecting. nothing after it
[18:12] <schaze> duanedesign: Now I am actually in the state again: processing queues | and queues: IDLE
[18:13] <duanedesign> schaze: and you still have files that are not showing up online?
[18:14] <schaze> duanedesign: no, all files are there but all folders are having the gray circle arrow with the "!"
[18:14] <schaze> and they never get green
[18:16] <duanedesign> schaze: ahh, your emblems are broken.
[18:16] <schaze> I also have my ~/Documents folder synced (for testing) which I want to "Stop synchronizing on Ubuntu one" but this option i grayed out in  nautilus
[18:16] <schaze> duanedesign: only the emblems? :) really? ok how do I fix them?
[18:17] <duanedesign> schaze: i am looking to see if there is a bug report
[18:18] <schaze> duanedesign: I can check that too, it just never occurred to me that the emblems could be broken :)
[18:19] <schaze> duanedesign: but I believe something else is also wrong. I created a testfile (text, 5 bytes big) 5 minutes ago and it is still in uploading status...
[18:20] <schaze> duanedesign: there is one with rogue emblems :)
[18:21] <mattgriffin> FYI... i updated the Ubuntu One status page with info on contacts and notes sync and the music store - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[18:23] <Moe> mattgriffin: Is there any issues known concerning German umlauts?
[18:23] <Moe> Concerning music store syncing that is
[18:23] <schaze> duanedesign: hm... I don't think the emblems are hanging. my testfile is still in uploading state and the log just reported a lost connection
[18:24] <schaze> duanedesign: u1sdtool -s is reporting "WORKING_ON_BOTH" however
[18:27] <duanedesign> schaze: well it could have some metadata still to work out
[18:28] <duanedesign> i am sorry but i am being called away by the family :) I will be back in about an hour or so.
[18:28] <schaze> duanedesign: but for 15mins?
[18:29] <duanedesign> schaze: yeah it is really slow right now
[18:29] <schaze> duanedesign: ok. no problem. Thanks a lot for your help so far!
[18:30] <duanedesign> i imagine come monday it will start getting better. They added a bunch of new servers right before the release.
[18:30] <schaze> good to hear
[18:30] <duanedesign> So during a typical load it was working very fast.
[18:30] <schaze> I bought a song yesterday and it took 25mins to download it to my disk. that freaked me out a bit :)
[18:34] <Moe> schaze: I bought around 45 tunes last week .. and it didn't even sync to the cloud at first
[18:34] <Moe> I wrote two tickets for the 7digital support
[18:35] <Moe> None of which I recieved an answer for by the way
[18:35] <Moe> (Might wanna look into that)
[18:35] <Moe> Luckily, the situation solved itself somehow
[18:38] <schaze> Moe: Thanks. Lukily the sync to the cloud was fine for me, only the download by u1 was slow
[18:39] <Moe> mhm
[19:18] <skx> If https://login.ubuntu.com/+login allows me to login using my launchpad account, why can't I just login through launchpad? it provides openid, doesn't it? and I have a password already saved there
[19:18] <skx> can I submit this as a but somewhere?
[19:20] <skx> bug*
[20:08] <biggms> honk
[20:30] <starcraftman> do even public transit people go honk to get a lil help? Channels lil quiet.
[20:32] <starcraftman> I'm on Kubuntu lucid atm, I wanna install the gnome client and have installed it from apt-get but it seems all the dependencies aren't met. On startup just crashes. I've verified and on lucid in my vm works. Is there a way of tracking down all the packages u1 needs without me installing all the extra Gnome packages I don't need?
[20:34] <NateWiebe> Just did a fresh install of lucid. Connected my PC to my ubuntuone account. I'm using about 6mb of storage and my computer will not sync. In preferences, it changes between "sync in progress" and disconnected every few minutes. no files appear in the ubuntuone folder
[20:37] <starcraftman> NateWiebe: we might be waiting a bit, channel is quiet.
[20:37] <NateWiebe> starcraftman: whats the issue you have?
[20:38] <starcraftman> NateWiebe: client not working on kde at all even though I installed supposed gnome dependencies.
[20:39] <NateWiebe> that sucks.. im on gnome, the client works, but no syncing
[20:40] <duffydack> U1 sync has always been hit and miss since using lucid betas..for me.
[20:41] <NateWiebe> it worked great in karmic.. but using lucid there are many issues i have had during the past few weeks
[20:42] <NateWiebe> i changed some permissions in my home folder.. would that be a reason?
[20:42] <NateWiebe> duffydack: what should the Ubuntu One folder permissions be set to?
[20:42] <starcraftman> NateWiebe: I think I agree, my karmic box has no spotty issues with syncing. Just my two lucid ones, well when I was testing on lucid gnome.
[20:44] <starcraftman> well, if anyone in the channel comes back and has advice to support my issue, ping me please.
[20:44] <duffydack> NateWiebe,  for mine (never used it, I use other folders, which is why I use U1 and not dropbox) its set to 775
[20:45] <NateWiebe> should the owner and group be your username?
[20:47] <duffydack> NateWiebe, yeah, its in your ~
[20:48] <duffydack> drwxrwxr-x  2 dean dean   4096 2010-04-17 13:52 Ubuntu One
[20:49] <NateWiebe> duanedesign: what command did you give me to track the progress of u1?
[20:49] <NateWiebe> (the other day)
[20:50] <biggms> NateWiebe .. i've been getitng the same symtoms for a few days now
[20:50] <biggms> Karmic and Lucid
[20:51] <biggms> ive got 800k on U1 and currently its taken 1hr to get the directory structure synced on my new install
[20:51] <biggms> took about 10/15 login attempts to actually connect too
[20:52] <duffydack> u1sdtool --waiting-content    and     u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[20:53] <duffydack> u1sdtool --list-folders
[20:53] <duffydack> u1sdtool --s
[20:53] <duffydack> u1sdtool -s        (sorry0
[20:53] <duffydack> useful commands to remember.
[20:55] <NateWiebe> with u1sdtool -s, the only states that it goes in are "waiting" and "authenticate".. while in authenticate, description is "doing auth dance".. does this mean it isnt authenticating?
[20:59] <duffydack> NateWiebe, Im not a U1 troubleshooter, i`m just some dude with similar issues as other people in here :)   Have you tried removing the computer account, and removing the 'ubuntuone' folders in your home and removing the key from 'passwords and enc keys' and starting again?
[21:00] <NateWiebe> im going to give it a shot
[21:00] <duffydack> Ive done that a couple of times..
[21:00] <duffydack> the ubuntuone config folders are hidden in .config and some other places..
[21:00] <duffydack> just do a find ~ -iname "ubuntuone"
[21:01] <duffydack> .cache and .config and some other..
[21:09] <schaze> duanedesign: I did it. I removed my external shared folder which somehow was 'hanging' with u1sdtool --delete-folder=<ID>
[21:09] <schaze> after that the rest of the folder synced and all got green
[21:09] <schaze> Thanks!
[22:10] <hirisov> hi
[22:11] <duanedesign> hello hirisov
[22:11] <hirisov> anybody have an idea what could be the problem that prevent me adding directories to sync with u1?
[22:11] <hirisov> it doenst work from nautilus, nor with command line
[22:11] <hirisov> u1sdtool --create-folder=$HOME/Private
[22:12] <hirisov> should add ~/Private i guess to u1 sync but it just hangs up, i dont get back the prompt and --list-folders says "no folders"
[22:12] <duanedesign> hirisov: you can just r-click on a folder and select 'Sync w/ Ubuntu One'
[22:12] <hirisov> yeah after i do that --list-folders still says "no folders"
[22:14] <hirisov> and doesnt sync anything because of it ofc
[22:15] <duanedesign> ofc?
[22:16] <hirisov> of course
[22:16] <hirisov> hm starnge now list folders finally shows it
[22:16] <hirisov> can it be a delay? is this operation needs communication w/ the u1 server?
[22:18] <duanedesign> The servers are really overwhelmed right now because of the release.
[22:19] <duanedesign> there have been new servers added to help with the speed. Once things get back to normal it should work very well
[22:20] <NateWiebe> alright.. so now u1 has created the proper folders, but it still will not sync the files.. keeps switching between authenticate and disconnected
[22:20] <NateWiebe> so syncing the metadata worked fine, but the content syncing wont
[22:21] <duanedesign> hello NateWiebe
[22:21] <NateWiebe> hey
[22:21] <NateWiebe> duanedesign: any ideas? ^
[22:22] <duanedesign> NateWiebe: it seems with the large increase in activity around the release has made it difficult to get Authenticated before timing out
[22:23] <NateWiebe> so its an issue on the server's side?
[22:24] <duanedesign> most likely
[22:25] <NateWiebe> okay.. hopefully its fixed soon
[22:25] <duanedesign> NateWiebe: i am thinking monday it should start to return to normal. With the new servers that have been added it should work very nicely
[22:26] <NateWiebe> awesome.. good to hear. u1 is a great service.. once it starts to be stable, im definitely going to consider upgrading to 50gb to help support
[22:30] <duffydack> U1 is great... or will be...
[22:31] <duffydack> just not having to dump everything in 1 folder is a big win for me..I hate the idea of having 1 folder to drop everything in..
[22:32] <duanedesign> yeah
[22:32] <duanedesign> there is some really cool stuff they are working on too
[22:32] <duffydack> and the share and make a public URL from desktop = ftw
[22:33] <NateWiebe> duffydack: i second that.. its a HUGE plus
[22:33] <duffydack> which most of the time is near instant
[22:33] <duanedesign> i am hoping for integration with something like zoho
[22:33] <duanedesign> which is a Google Docs type of service
[22:34] <duffydack> now I just need to get my windows loved up friends using IE to switch to something good that can display ubuntuone shares
[22:34] <NateWiebe> one thing im hoping for is better phone support, but thats up to the company they are using
[22:34] <duffydack> "IE : page cannot be displayed"    "IE is good"  ahem.....
[22:35] <NateWiebe> offtopic, but its strange why ms is showing off the fact that ie9 gets 55/100 on the acid3 test.. thats horrible
[22:36] <NateWiebe> but it is better than the 15ish they got on ie8
[22:36] <duffydack> Im not a web dev guy but ive made a couple of pages in my time, 1 had some flash in it, and I had to visit hell and sell my soul to get IE to display it right...
[22:36] <duanedesign> yeah i am amazed at how bad that browser is
[22:37] <NateWiebe> http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/benchmarks/Acid3/Default.html
[22:37] <duffydack> his argument was "98% of the world use it".. well , I just LOL`d.
[22:37] <duffydack> 97% of if dont even know they are using it!
[22:37] <hirisov> sorry for being OT but maybe anybody knows what repository i need to add to be able to install sun java jre to ubuntu 10.04 pls?
[22:37] <duffydack> hirisov, partner
[22:38] <hirisov> duffydack, thanks!
[22:38] <duffydack> hirisov, openjre not good enough ?
[22:39] <hirisov> the noiq poker client doesn't seem to work with it unfortunatelly
[22:39] <duanedesign> sudo add-apt-repository “deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner”
[22:39] <hirisov> hm just uncommented in sources.list, that should be ok also isnt it?
[22:39] <duanedesign> yeah
[22:41] <hirisov> ty, brb
[22:59] <nbv4> is there a command line client for ubuntu one?
[23:00] <topyli> nbv4, yes, u1sdtool
[23:32] <duffydack> so my share isnt working
[23:32] <duffydack> http://ubuntuone.com/p/1gs/
[23:49] <dentaku> #hi
[23:49] <duanedesign> hello dentaku
[23:49] <dentaku> Just upgraded to 10.04 and tried UbuntuOne ... therte is no "Add this computer" button!
[23:50] <duanedesign> dentaku: yeah that is a bug that is hitting some people
[23:50] <dentaku> I found thi s:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How do I add my computer?
[23:50] <dentaku> but it doesn't work ...
[23:52] <dentaku> I wonder why this new social web integration doesn't offer a IRC client ..
[23:53] <duanedesign> dentaku: you can access IRC from Empathy
[23:55] <duanedesign> dentaku: you ran u1sdtool -q; killall-ubuntuone-login   and then opened the client and it did not open firefox
[23:56] <dentaku> Nope, I types:  u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; u1sdtool -c
[23:56] <dentaku> And nothing happened
[23:56] <dentaku> no browser popped up
[23:57] <duanedesign> firefox is your default browser?
[23:58] <dentaku> when I open System > Einstellungen > Ubuntu One and klick "Konto verwalten" (manage account) the browser just goes to the same sign in page.
[23:58] <dentaku> No OPera is my browser.
[23:58] <duanedesign> dentaku: that might be the issue. Do you have Firefox installed?
[23:59] <dentaku> yes, I can also start firefox. I also tried sign up in FireFox but there are the same web pages without a "add this computer" button.
[23:59] <duanedesign> yeah it wont work if you go there


[07:42] <soee_> mamarley: will you build 384.90 ?
[10:05] <mamarley> soee_: I already have, but for some reason NVIDIA has not (yet?) released the ARM build of the driver.  Due to limitations of how the PPA works, if I uploaded now without the ARM build, it wouldn't let me upload the same .orig.tar.gz later with the ARM build.
[10:10] <soee_> mamarley: can you send me somehow amd64 builds ? :)
[10:11] <mamarley> soee_: I guess I can put them in one of my alternate staging PPAs.  One second…
[10:19] <mamarley> soee_: I just uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging3/+packages.
[10:19] <soee_> mamarley: cool, thanks. Now wait till they build
[10:20] <mamarley> ricotz: ^If you want, you can go ahead and check these out too so you don't have to do it again after the ARM binaries are made available.  I did backport all the changes made to nvidia-375 in the main repository since the last time we did a release.
[10:26] <soee_> mamarley: i wonder, why it shows status for Artful and Zesty anbd not for Xenial for example ?
[10:30] <soee_> looks liek not Xenial build is available ;)
[10:37] <mamarley> soee_: Status?  I'm not sure what you mean.
[11:00] <soee_> mamarley: https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging3/+packages why no Xenial build ?
[11:24] <mamarley> soee_: Because I screwed up and accidentally set the distribution to "artful" on what was supposed to be the Xenial upload, causing it to get overwritten by the actual Artful upload.  I fixed it.
[11:39] <soee_> :D
[11:48] <soee> Works fine https://i.imgur.com/5Z5QbHm.png and looks like screenlocker does not crash now on KDE
[12:06] <ricotz> mamarley, noted -- looks like you are drowning in staging ppas?
[12:27] <mamarley> ricotz: Haha, yes.  Staging is generally for NVIDIA stuff before it gets moved to the main PPA (but sometimes I use it for miscellaneous other stuff).  Staging2 is for packages compiled against OpenSSL 1.1.  Staging3 is for X-related stuff that I don't want to put in my regular PPA for some reason.  Staging4 was for Qt5.9 packages before Artful got that in the main repository, now it is pretty much unused.


[00:09] <johnsonshi_> Hi upstream folks, I realized that cloud-init recently began using pycloudlib for integration tests. Azure support for integration tests was just added in https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/604
[00:10] <johnsonshi_> Do you know where the integration tests are defined in? I've looked around pycloudlib and cloud-init, but can't seem to find where the suite of integration tests are defined.
[08:47] <vijayendra> rharper, smoser how can we set IPV6_FORCE_ACCEPT_RA to no from cloudinit, for any ipv6 static configuration. I see this set to yes by default, env: RHEL8, cloudinit-19.4, power hardware.
[08:49] <vijayendra> we wanted to set IPV6_AUTOCONF=no in ipv6 interface in ifcfg-* files
[09:18] <vijayendra> above is for static configuration of ipv6
[12:55] <meena> final failing tests fixed, now it's time to start removing more duplicates and wrappers of generate_fallback_config()!
[14:42] <amansi26> smoser: Hi it will be great help if you can review the changeset https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/584/files
[15:04] <rharper> vijayendra: what does your network-config look like?  reading cloudinit/net/sysconfig.py:  IPV6_AUTOCONF defaults to no; except if the subnet is 'ipv6_slaac' or 'ipv6_dhcpv6-stateless';   the 'accept-ra' network config key translates to IPV6_FORCE_ACCEPT_RA on rhel;
[15:05] <rharper> vijayendra: I suggest you work with cloud-init devel net-convert  ; you can provide input config and it will render distro specific network config output to a directory so you can adjust the inputs to get your desired output
[15:33] <blackboxsw> paride: minor merge conflict that will need sorting on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/576
[15:34] <blackboxsw> paride: and since Dan is about to land another PR  for Azure, might want to rebase off of tip of master once https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/590 lands
[15:34] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: is https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/590 ready?
[15:34] <paride> blackboxsw, +1
[15:34] <paride> I'll rebase after #590 lands
[15:34] <blackboxsw> CI passed on #590 now, and in approved state
[15:35] <blackboxsw> BTW paride first time I've seen const used on argparse. Thanks for that
[15:36] <paride> not that I knew it before using it there :P
[15:54] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, #590 is the PR I referenced in stand-up as just waiting on CI; I've just merged it.
[15:55] <Odd_Bloke> paride: ^ #590 has landed.
[15:56] <paride> ty Odd_Bloke
[16:49] <meena> what's const in python / argparse?
[17:11] <vijayendra> rharper, Looks like cloudinit did not any entry related to IPV6_AUTOCONF and IPV6FORWARDING
[17:11] <vijayendra> when no entry added IPV6_AUTOCONF seems to be yes and IPV6FORWARDING  is no
[17:11] <vijayendra> If IPV6FORWARDING=yes, then IPV6_AUTOCONF will default to no.
[17:11] <vijayendra> If IPV6FORWARDING=no, then IPV6_AUTOCONF will default to yes
[17:11] <vijayendra> configdrive metadata_json: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8HkQtzWFyh/
[17:11] <vijayendra> cloud.cfg:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbNGjqHYYq/
[17:11] <vijayendra> ifcfg-env3: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZvP3yGBGH/
[17:13] <vijayendra> rharper, ignore bootcmd in the cloud.cfg at the end
[17:13] <vijayendra> was added that because I couldn't figure out other way
[17:54] <rharper> vijayendra: I don't know if there is a bug or if you want a different configuration; but given what we have from openstack in your network config; it's not clear to me how cloud-init can make a choice about the variables you want set or unset;
[17:56] <vijayendra> rharper, I did check code here cloudinit/net/sysconfig.py, it doesn't seems to have any key I can specify in network_data.json for the same
[17:58] <rharper> the flow is network_data.json (parsed by cloudinit/sources/helpers/openstack.py:convert_net_json() into a network-v1 config -> (internal net state) -> sysconfig.py renders;  now; looking at network_data.json input ... what in that JSON indicates to cloud-init that it should configure IPV6 the way you want it to be configured?
[17:58] <rharper> I don't believe network_data.json from openstack is *specific* enough to let cloud-init know that IPV6 should enable/disable RAs for static addresses;
[17:58] <rharper> or anything at all about forwarding
[17:59] <rharper> so, what can cloud-init do here?
[18:02] <vijayendra> rharper, True, I did work with few changes in network_data.json like specifying accept_ra: no and mode: link-local etc... no success , I failed to construct a right network_data.json here to tell cloudinit to configure IPV6_AUTOCONF to no and  IPV6_FORCE_ACCEPT_RA to no
[18:03] <rharper> are you creating a custom config-drive  payload?  or is openstack generating this for you ?
[18:07] <vijayendra> openstack generated one(with minor changes to it), I am working with cloud-init devel convert as shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Tb5vk6SgT4/
[18:10] <vijayendra> rharper, currently trying to construct network_data.json to so that I can have sysconfig something like shown here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPVP8JrZqH/
[18:13] <rharper> do none of the typical modes work? it seems like you'd want one of the DHCP modes;  otherwise if you disable RA; how will you get next neighbor hop ?  you have no gateway provided, no ?
[18:14] <rharper> typically we see, SLAAC, or DHCP6 (stateful or stateless);  and if you;re purely static I'd think you'd want to accept router advertisements for getting packets to/from the instance;  ?
[18:15] <vijayendra> currently no ipv6 router, ipv6 interface is used for local lan communication b/w vms
[18:15] <vijayendra> its a static configuration
[18:16] <rharper> ok, but what's wrong with enabling autoconf ?
[18:16] <rharper> if you have no routers doing advertisements, then it just sends out the request every so often; could be disabled separately from cloud-init (or in a runcmd )
[18:17] <vijayendra> when you enable autoconf  ra is enabled too. meaning without ipv6 router, ipv6 interface has few issues on RHEL
[18:18] <rharper> right, I know it enables RA; what issues?
[18:18] <rharper> it sends neighbor requests every so often and backs off ;  you can also disable RA via sysctl  commands
[18:19] <vijayendra> ipv6 interface ip address fluctuates every now and then
[18:19] <rharper> that doesn't sound right; you have a static ip; it does neighbor discovery to determine if the address is local or global ... but I wouldn't think the address actually changes;  that sounds like a serious bug
[18:20] <rharper> in any case; network_data.json doesn't have a "ipv6_static_no_ra" network type yet; so I don;t think cloud-init is ever going to render a config the way you want;
[18:22] <vijayendra> yes true. Let me share you ip a output for you which we were monitoring using some script
[18:22] <rharper> fixing up the rendered config later in boot with runcmd program might not help if you networking is unreliable until you can disable RA;  maybe bake a sysctl setting into the image?
[18:22] <rharper> vijayendra: I don't need to see it; it sounds like a RHEL bug; but maybe it is expected for ipv6 in some scenarios; I know a bit but not a ton on ipv6;
[18:25] <vijayendra> rharper, I did try sysctl settings like below but no success
[18:25] <vijayendra> net.ipv6.conf.all.autoconf=0
[18:25] <vijayendra> net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra=0
[18:29] <rharper> sounds like a bug or the issue isn't related to ra; or that doesn't turn off RA the way its needed;
[18:30] <vijayendra> rharper, ok. but not sure of any other way right now. if you check nmcli -o connection show System\ env5 ---> ipv6.method auto even though we have static ip address. this has to be manual or link-local
[18:30] <rharper> we don't configure nm directly
[18:31] <rharper> so that could be an nm bug as it's parsing sysconfig second hand
[20:41] <aswinr> Hi. Looking to get this into the October SRU. Has been reviewed by AnhVoMSFT and signed off. Would appreciate review and help in getting this merged. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/613
[21:18] <meena> we have another SRU coming up??
[21:26] <AnhVoMSFT> I believe there's a tentative plan for an SRU end of October


[00:05] <Munt> Hey there folks, I am banned from #ubuntu …. and i have no idea why.    Do you know how I might sort this out ?
[00:05] <Unit193> You should join #ubuntu-ops.
[00:06] <Munt> thanks Unit193


[02:59] <ocnios> my Kubuntu install freezez if I close my laptop lid and reopen it
[03:00] <ocnios> It shows the desktop and all but it's unresponsive
[07:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:36] <AndrejN> Hi, I downloaded the 15.10 amd64 daily image and tried to boot it on MacBook Pro 5.3 and it hangs while booting from CD. Should I get other ISO image or is it a bug to report?
[08:36] <AndrejN> BTW the DVD works on other normal PCs just fine
[08:37] <lordievader> AndrejN: What does it hang on?
[08:37] <AndrejN> it just shows the Kubuntu logo on black screen
[08:39] <lordievader> AndrejN: Hit escape to see what it is doing.
[08:40] <AndrejN> OK will try, BRB rebooting
[08:44] <AndrejN> Pressing Esc doesn nothing, I guess the laptop has just frozen. I will try pressing Esc before it hangs
[08:47] <AndrejN> Looks like a kernel crash backtrace is what I get
[08:48] <lordievader> Hmm... You should report that.
[09:10] <AndrejN> lordievader: looks like it has something to do with nouveau/nvidia graphics support
[09:10] <AndrejN> Is it possible to boot with basic graphics?
[09:11] <lordievader> AndrejN: Can you boot into rescue mode?
[09:12] <AndrejN> I didn't get that option in the grub menu
[09:12] <lordievader> AndrejN: It should be there, under the advanced sub-menu.
[09:13] <AndrejN> i only had install, oem, and check disc or something like that
[09:13] <lordievader> AndrejN: Ah, right, the live-cd didn't work.
[09:13] <lordievader> Probably easier to grab the mini-iso and install from there.
[09:13] <lordievader> !mini
[09:16] <sam_> hello. is there any right channel i can get help in install linux-image ? i do have kubuntu but there is a problem installing/uninstalling linux image. Right now i don't have any image at /boot and i can't update http://paste.ubuntu.com/12646535/
[09:56] <Copernicus22> I´m thinking of going to raid 1 or raid 5
[09:56] <Copernicus22> is raid 5 safe enough=
[09:57] <Copernicus22> ?
[09:57] <Copernicus22> curious about your experiance
[09:57] <Copernicus22> combined with a weekly disk clone
[10:06] <nishikino-maki> hello guys i using XFCE GTK-app window is no have shadow but QT-app is not...QT-app window have shadow how to disable/close it?
[10:11] <lordievader> Copernicus22: If you keep an eye on the health of your disks raid5 should be save. Ofcourse raid1 with three disks is safer as all the data is everywhere.
[10:12] <lordievader> Must say I have never tried raid5 myself. Raid1 suffices for me.
[10:24] <reacer> hi
[10:28] <Copernicus22> lordievader: doesn't the bios warn you if your raid drives are having problems?
[10:29] <lordievader> Perhaps, but it is a good idea to keep an eye on it yourself.
[10:29] <Copernicus22> ok
[10:30] <lordievader> Smartmontools comes with a daemon ;)
[10:30] <Copernicus22> nice
[10:40] <Swipe-> Anyone know the expected release date for 15.10?
[10:46] <mparillo> !wily
[10:46] <mparillo> Hmm, let me try again
[10:47] <mparillo> 2015-10-22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta2/Kubuntu
[10:48] <mparillo> Usually early evening Eastern time, late night GMT.
[10:54] <Swipe-> thanks
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:47] <nexia> 9:35 AM - Deemn: I played some dota yesterday
[14:47] <nexia> 9:35 AM - Deemn: and now it tells me I don't have opengl 3.1
[14:47] <nexia> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
[14:47] <nexia>  gives OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.9
[14:48] <nexia> how exactly would one update to 3.1?
[15:08] <kazumi-kun> whats the latest version of kubuntu at the moment is it 15.04?
[15:10] <nexia> kazumi-kun, yes, 15.10 will be released on the 22th of this month :P
[17:02] <Copernicus22> lordievader: lol I copied my raid sdd ext4 partition to my hdd, now I booted to my kubuntu system using my hdd. works fine :)
[17:03] <Copernicus22> all because I can't reassamble my raid 0 volume
[17:03] <Copernicus22> using kubuntu
[17:03] <Copernicus22> or any linux distro
[17:04] <Copernicus22> I orderd an extra ssd, will create a new raid 5 volume later using the bios
[17:05] <airsoftmodels> i have been wondering if its worthwhile to raid ssd's
[17:06] <Copernicus22> airsoftmodels: It's really fast in raid 0, 1gb/sec :)
[17:07] <airsoftmodels> i have only ever mirrored a couple of 2 TB spinning disks
[17:07] <Copernicus22> I see
[17:08] <airsoftmodels> i guess my ssd feels fast enough and big enough for my needs
[17:09] <Copernicus22> airsoftmodels: I can't compair, my laptop came with raid 0
[17:10] <airsoftmodels> wow
[17:10] <Copernicus22> but I really have got a feeling  it's twice as fast
[17:11] <Copernicus22> no I dunno, it's too long ago
[17:11] <Copernicus22> since I had a no-raid ssd laptop
[17:11] <airsoftmodels> i got a black friday deal on a 250gb samsung ssd
[17:13] <Copernicus22> nice :), yeah it's big enough for single boot
[17:14] <airsoftmodels> i just installed kubuntu 15.10 beta 2 on it, which i love.
[17:15] <Copernicus22> airsoftmodels: what is new?
[17:15] <airsoftmodels> it just seems more refined than before, not really new
[17:15] <Copernicus22> airsoftmodels: nice
[17:16] <airsoftmodels> sometimes i have trouble even getting the betas to install
[17:16] <Copernicus22> release date?
[17:16] <airsoftmodels> feels ready to roll, hopefully early october
[17:16] <Copernicus22> end this month I see
[17:17] <airsoftmodels> ok
[17:17] <airsoftmodels> firfox 41 my god
[17:17] <Copernicus22> 22 october
[17:17] <airsoftmodels> firefox 41
[17:18] <Copernicus22> ok, gonna watch some tv, cu later
[17:18] <airsoftmodels> later
[18:29] <Bomber4Chats_> hey
[18:29] <Bomber4Chats_> i need some help cleaning my fstab
[18:29] <Bomber4Chats_> i have a bad UUID there, but I'm not sure which of them...
[18:30] <Bomber4Chats_> it's giving me issues with XAUTHORITY and other stuff
[19:53] <philin> hi
[21:12] <plagasul> Hi helloi
[21:13] <plagasul> I fell in love with plasma5, and was wondering how stable is it under kubuntu
[21:13] <plagasul> I am on Linux mint cinnamon and thinking about switching... krunner + customization
[21:15] <mparillo> I am happily running with the daily wily builds
[21:16] <plagasul> i c
[21:16] <mparillo> A few minor paper cuts.  I have to enter my kwallet password every time I boot to get onto wireless, Spell check is not working in Konversation (and the spell check plasmoid has not been ported yet), but I am pertty happy so far.
[21:25] <soee> plagasul: works perfect for me :)
[21:26] <plagasul> great, thanks for the oppinions
[23:18] <iio> hi
[23:52] <samailidis> hello.How in earth can i add app launcher on panel? I can't drag and drop from menu , there is no other option with right/left click. thanks