[08:35] <pavlushka> Morning/noon elacheche :)
[08:37] <elacheche> Morning pavlushka :)
[08:37] <elacheche> praisethemoon: What irc client do you use?
[08:37] <elacheche> Morning folks?
[08:39] <praisethemoon> hello every one \o/
[08:39] <praisethemoon> elacheche: Quassel :D
[08:39] <praisethemoon> on windows though ^^
[08:40] <pavlushka> o/ praisethemoon :)
[08:40] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: how is it going!
[08:41] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: its cool/temperate :)
[08:42] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: good to hear that :)
[08:50] <elacheche> Why you choosed it?
[08:50] <elacheche> It don't tolerate lags..
[08:56] <praisethemoon> elacheche: Quassel?
[08:56] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: welcome back
[08:57] <elacheche> yeah, last night you disconnected too many times x)
[09:15] <praisethemoon> i think ooredoo is to blame not me ;-;
[09:16] <praisethemoon> can you paste a snippet on how mess i caused? XD
[09:16] <praisethemoon> how much*
[09:30] <Na3iL> o/
[09:31] <elacheche> o/ Na3iL
[09:31] <Na3iL> hello elacheche how are you :D
[09:32] <elacheche> Good Na3iL :) u?
[09:32] <elacheche> praisethemoon: a sec
[09:32] <praisethemoon> o/ Na3iL :D
[09:33] <Na3iL> fine as well elacheche I am trying to finish my tasks to back to that quiz :')
[09:33] <Na3iL> praisethemoon, how are you?
[09:34] <praisethemoon> I'm good, thanks for asking
[09:34] <praisethemoon> how are you?
[09:34] <Na3iL> fine too thank you :D
[09:35] <elacheche> praisethemoon: http://pad.tn/p/weelog :D
[09:35] <praisethemoon> omg xDDDDD
[09:35] <praisethemoon> how can I prevent that?
[09:36] <elacheche> Oh! Great Na3iL! I'm trying to pass the 1st Task from the eudyptula challenge.. But you know, I'm a n00b x) x(
[09:37] <Na3iL> You can't praisethemoon I think it is your connection :p
[09:37] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I don't know.. My irc client show me a lag indication whenever there is some lag, but don't disconnect.. So I assume that my client is better :p → No time to really investigate this
[09:38] <Na3iL> elacheche, I am pretty sure that you will finish it :D for me, I really can't find time even for an extra cup of coffee :(
[09:38] <elacheche> Na3iL: I know that feeling :)
[09:39] <elacheche> praisethemoon: Are you interested in a IT/Ops quiz?
[09:39] <elacheche> :D
[09:39] <praisethemoon> what do you mean by Ops?
[09:39] <elacheche> Operations/SysAdmin/IT
[09:40] <praisethemoon> well, I am a software engineer, but dont have good sysadmin skills ^^
[09:40] <praisethemoon> But I am interested I guess :)
[09:41] <elacheche> I share it anyway.. Just a sec
[09:42] <elacheche> Here https://redd.it/4y46zb
[09:43] <elacheche> afaik there is only 3 north africain solved it until today..
[09:44] <Na3iL> and the 4th is coming xD
[09:44] <elacheche> I'm sure he is.. ;) :D
[09:45] <Na3iL> :D
[09:45] <Na3iL> ah, btw if I am not mistaken I didn't saw any mails from CLibre's ML talking about SFD
[09:47] <elacheche> :/
[09:50] <Na3iL> Is there any problems?
[09:51] <elacheche> idk
[09:52] <Na3iL> I hope not..
[09:53] <Na3iL> look what I have found surfing the net : http://takwas.github.io/article/ubuntu-africa-calls.html
[09:53] <Na3iL> a good article
[09:56] <praisethemoon> elacheche: seems like a good quizz :D
[09:56] <praisethemoon> i'll try it during break time
[09:57] <elacheche> :)
[10:41] <praisethemoon> SalahMessaoud: hello o/
[10:53] <elacheche> o/ SalahMessaoud :)
[11:03] <SalahMessaoud> Hi praisethemoon o/
[11:03] <SalahMessaoud> Yoo elacheche o/
[11:05] <SalahMessaoud> How you doing ? :D
[11:12] <elacheche> Good SalahMessaoud, you? Hello nizarus :)
[11:13] <SalahMessaoud> I am good thanks !
[11:14] <nizarus> hello elacheche & all
[18:25] <praisethemoon> whale hello there
[18:56] <pavlushka> hi praisethemoon
[18:56] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: how is it going man
[18:57] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: going good, though I praisethesun :p
[18:57] <praisethemoon> nooo
[18:57] <praisethemoon> you betrayed me
[18:57]  * praisethemoon is feelin' sad
[18:58] <pavlushka> technically no, The Sun provides the Moon's shine, that's why we can see the moon, So its good for praisethemoon :p
[18:59] <praisethemoon> do you know Dark Souls?
[18:59] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: educate me please :)
[19:00] <praisethemoon> it's a video game ^^
[19:00] <praisethemoon> Kinda my favorite
[19:00] <praisethemoon> it has myths about sun and moon etc
[19:00] <pavlushka> wow, interesting
[19:00] <praisethemoon> kinda like berserk anime
[19:01] <praisethemoon> I mean, if you google "praise the sun" you'll only see dark souls stuff xD
[19:01] <praisethemoon> thus came my user name, praisethemoon
[19:04] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: sorry, a very boring subject xD
[19:04] <praisethemoon> what do you do in life?
[19:04] <pavlushka> ha ha ha, interesting, I like the game "Metal Gear Solid", the hero is Solidsnake raised in a lab and has a lab twin liquidsnake, both names are cool but already registered :(
[19:05] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: mostly chatting, shouting for Ubuntu, helping others fixing machines and gadgets, working under my Dad for our family business.
[19:06] <praisethemoon> so ubuntu is your hobby?
[19:06] <pavlushka> that's what I do for my living, kinda diff
[19:06] <pavlushka> its kind of my passion :)
[19:06] <praisethemoon> awesome!
[19:06] <praisethemoon> we need more people like you
[19:06] <praisethemoon> I am also a ubuntu fan and I prefer ubuntu over windows
[19:06] <praisethemoon> I have been using ubuntu
[19:07] <praisethemoon> since version
[19:07] <pavlushka> then we can set a gaming channel, yay
[19:07] <praisethemoon> 9 I guess
[19:07] <pavlushka> me from 8.04
[19:07] <praisethemoon> when they were distributing free CD's world wide
[19:07] <praisethemoon> I am not sure xD
[19:07] <praisethemoon> but damn
[19:07] <praisethemoon> the good old days
[19:07] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: i have ubuntu on vbox now becuse I have a gaming pc
[19:07] <praisethemoon> and had issues with nvidia drivers :/
[19:08] <pavlushka> ha ha ha, I didn't touch those disk in fear of getting scratch, so I also downloaded the ISO and writing another copy to work with :)
[19:09] <pavlushka> a little weird
[19:10] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: hmm
[19:11] <praisethemoon> pavlushka: at first there was that infinit login menu
[19:11] <praisethemoon> you know that bug?
[19:11] <praisethemoon> then the resolution went normal again (1080p)
[19:11] <pavlushka> didn't experienced that
[19:11] <praisethemoon> and logged in
[19:11] <praisethemoon> after installing nvidia-364 as i recall
[19:11] <praisethemoon> abd after reboot
[19:11] <praisethemoon> it went back to inifinit login loop
[19:12] <praisethemoon> with drivers installed
[19:12] <praisethemoon> no SORRY
[19:12] <praisethemoon> not login loop; but the resolution is horrible
[19:13] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: on which version?
[19:13] <praisethemoon> 16.04 lts
[19:13] <pavlushka> can you link the bug? please
[19:18] <praisethemoon> uhmm you mean send a link describing the bug?
[19:20] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: I mean the LP bug link
[19:21] <praisethemoon> alright, lemme see
[19:49] <pavlushka> night night
[20:33] <elacheche> o/
[22:44] <amtn> elacheche: موجود؟


[23:01] <CooPs89> join #debian
[23:01] <movela> knoppies: i;d like gui
[23:01] <CooPs89> ups
[23:01] <movela> please
[23:01] <Zargle> yah its like you want it and when u get it you dont use it :p
[23:01] <trevorj> Zargle: the virtual keyboard works great for 99% of things
[23:01] <trevorj> Zargle: I just wish we had root already
[23:01] <Zargle> yah...
[23:01] <trevorj> Zargle: I've got a sysdump, and I've messed with the bootloader, but I can't get any commands to work
[23:01] <Zargle> lol
[23:01] <movela> my friends are running windows. and can't to seem to burn an bin/cue correctly
[23:02] <knoppies> movela, ah, then I dont know. I recommend you stick with the dd command, its simple, it works, and it never hangs on you. But all the best in your search.
[23:02] <gebrax> i've problem with jaunty theme,can u help me
[23:02] <trevorj> movela: cue2iso
[23:02] <trevorj> movela: or bin2iso
[23:02] <Zargle> Jailbreak android :p
[23:02] <mynameguy> knoppues: any solution to overcome laptop heating problems?
[23:02] <edbian> Help! My CD drive doesn't detect blank CDs
[23:02] <movela> trevorj: i'd like to copy the disc to iso
[23:02] <Zargle> the #android channels nice
[23:02] <Yo> Hello!
[23:02] <Yo> ;P
[23:02] <gebrax> mynameguy:just using notebook cooler
[23:02] <Yo> how is everyone?
[23:02] <trevorj> movela: k3b will burn cue/bin files just fine
[23:03] <Yo> what are we talking about?
[23:03] <trevorj> movela: I believe the gnome cd burner will as well
[23:03] <Yo> hmm. are you boys being bad?
[23:03] <ardchoille> !ot | Yo
[23:03] <blisteredradish> When I log in after a reboot, gnome will not load all the way and I have to /etc/init.d/gdm restart.  9.10 any Ideas?
[23:03] <gebrax> edbian>as same as with me,maybe ur hardware error
[23:03] <kriegschrei> hey guys, does anyone have a minute to help me troubleshoot a PHP install?
[23:03] <Yo> ................................................ what's the topic?
[23:03] <fusion> i want to extract a files in folder whose owner n group is hold by root, i have  given al the permission given to me. even it is showing that "you don't have write permisiion to extract"
[23:03] <movela> trevorj: i'd like to make an iso image of the disc i have
[23:03] <SeaPhor|borked> movela, just dd it,, do dd --help and look here http://www.crazytrain.com/dd.html
[23:03] <amagee> ok now i'm getting this error trying to install sun-java6-jdk: http://dpaste.com/123471/  .. any ideas?
[23:03] <knoppies> yo, ubuntu support.
[23:04] <edbian> gebrax: I don't think so because it recognizes (reads and everything) any other CD.  It's just blank ones that it has trouble on.
[23:04] <trevorj> movela: you can dd it as SeaPhor|borked said, or just use the gnome cd burner program or k3b
[23:04] <Yo> goodness, I don't understand nothin' you guys is talkin' 'bout!
[23:04] <chea> fusion: is this in a specific folder?
[23:04] <scunizi> fusion: are you moving things to /var/www?
[23:04] <Yo> Im a n00|3
[23:04] <blisteredradish> movela: k9copy wizard
[23:04] <d4non> I screwed up a ntfs partition in ubuntu installating program, I picked the ntfs partition with most free space on it and I thought it's gonna make a new partition in the free space, but it removed the partition and formatted the amount of free space into ext3 and the rest became regular unalocated space, any hope to recover the data? Did not Write anything in there yet!
[23:04] <fusion> scunizi :yes
[23:04] <Yo> .... Timmy?
[23:04] <gebrax> my cd can read any cd,but cannot read a blank cd
[23:04] <Yo> 123456789
[23:04] <edbian> gebrax: If there is a blank CD in the drive it reports and I double click the CD drive icon in my computer I get "unable to mount perhaps no media in drive."
[23:04] <SeaPhor|borked> movela, or install gnomebaker and use that'
[23:04] <Yo> !!@#$%T^&*()
[23:04] <ardchoille> !ot > Yo
[23:04] <edbian> gebrax: We have the same issue then.
[23:04] <Yo> :()
[23:05] <scunizi> fusion: and are you trying to install something like Joomla, wordpress etc?
[23:05] <Yo> ;AISLIDJFA;LSDKFJA;LSDKJFA;SLDKJF;alskdjfa;lsdkjf;asldkfja;lsdkjfa;
[23:05] <Yo> sldkfja;sldkjfa;lsdkjfas;lkdjfa;lskdjf;a
[23:05] <Yo> lksdjf;lkajsdlkf;j
[23:05] <Yo> alkd;sjfl
[23:05] <LjL> Yo: please don't spam the channel
[23:05] <Yo> kjasdl;fjkja
[23:05] <Yo> sd;lifj
[23:05] <Yo> oiaweh
[23:05] <FloodBot4> Yo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:05] <LjL> cute, he banned himself.
[23:05] <nuttythings> is there a flash editor for ubuntu?
[23:05] <fusion> scunizi :yes
[23:05] <d4non> I screwed up a ntfs partition in ubuntu installating program, I picked the ntfs partition with most free space on it and I thought it's gonna make a new partition in the free space, but it removed the partition and formatted the amount of free space into ext3 and the rest became regular unalocated space, any hope to recover the data? Did not Write anything in there yet!
[23:05] <fusion> scunizi :yes,joomla
[23:06] <gebrax> when i go to service center,someone told me my cd error n must be changed
[23:06] <SeaPhor|borked> scunizi, LjL,  this is what i get during the fresh install of 9.10- http://imagebin.ca/view/h5y8LBE.html   any ideas on how to make it see my partitions? this is the 3rd cd and image download, tried on a usb also, all the same
[23:06] <scunizi> fusion: better to extract them in a folder in ~ and then just copy them using sudo.. much easier
[23:06] <JGodbout> I'm trying to apply this patch: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill, and I have added the lines to my software sources, but I have no idea what to do after that. Could someone have a quick look at the link and help with with what to do next?
[23:06] <fusion> scunizi :let me try
[23:06] <neon_> this is crazy, i have a tv tuner and i can get over 100 channels but not sound, the crazy thing is since it is a hybryd tuner if i connect an OTA antenna i get a few digital channels with perfect sound, what is going on, tried both my laptop and deskto since it is an usb tuner i think pulse audio is screwing it
[23:07] <keiya> Is there a solitaire package that doesn't crash and doesn't pull in all of KDE? >_>
[23:07] <trevorj> keiya: aisleriot?
[23:08] <keiya> trevorj: That's the one that crashes :/
[23:08] <trevorj> keiya: not for me... on ubuntu 9.10
[23:08] <Wallace> Anybody know how I can make network manager connect my VPN, if/when my 'mobile broadband' connection comes up, but NOT when my wifi comes up?  Alternatively, and probably better, anybody know how I can change my hosts file (or one entry in it) depending on which network connection is up?
[23:09] <Mikeh> Evening
[23:09] <keiya> trevorj: You're not using intel graphics.
[23:09] <keiya> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/477915
[23:09] <Mikeh> Is there anywhere that I'm likely to find a 2.6.32 build pre-packaged for ubuntu?
[23:10] <rip> hello, I have Vista and Ubuntu dual boot on a i386 machine...   In order to setup dual boot, I had to use Vista built-in disk management tools to shrink Vista NTFS partition and then install Ubuntu onto remaining space (which generously setup dual-boot easily).  This is because if you use gparted to shrink a Vista partition, Vista apparantly sometimes fails to boot (atleast according to several online forums)...   But now, I want to shrink
[23:10] <rip> the vista ntfs partition some more...  But if I use Vista's disk management tools to shrink again, would this mess up my Ubuntu system and/or Ubuntu bootablity?
[23:10] <trevorj> keiya: right, I'm not
[23:10] <trevorj> keiya: it crashes on intel?
[23:11] <keiya> trevorj: Yeah, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/477915
[23:11] <Wallace> rip: should work okay, as long as you don't try and move or resize the ubuntu partition
[23:12] <Wallace> rip: but backup important stuff anyway ;)
[23:12] <trevorj> rip: you can use gparted on vista partitions just fine
[23:13] <trevorj> rip: I've done it with 20+ vista computers and 5 windows server 2008 boxes
[23:13] <blekos> hello, I have 2 pcs and I have enabled remote desktop. Also I have configured dyndns
[23:13] <blekos> how can i determine to which pc I will login in/
[23:13] <blekos> hello, I have 2 pcs and I have enabled remote desktop. Also I have configured dyndns/
[23:14] <blekos> ?
[23:14] <slide23> What is the fastest loading gui version of ubuntu?
[23:14] <trevorj> rip: if you want to be safe about your boot sequence, make a backup of your vista bootmgr
[23:14] <trevorj> slide23: 9.10
[23:14] <blekos> slide23 propably xubuntu
[23:14] <ardchoille> slide23: I think that would be either xubuntu or lubuntu
[23:14] <slide23> x = xfcs? whats l?
[23:15] <ardchoille> lxde
[23:15] <Jim_Lesta> quit
[23:15] <slide23> k thanks let me check those 2 out
[23:15] <ardchoille> x=x xfce
[23:15] <trevorj> slide23: thats if you don't mind not using gnome
[23:15] <unconnected> hello
[23:15] <slide23> I just pretty much want X and then run a full screen application
[23:15] <ZaNeIuM> could someone in here help me it install my 1st linux driver one on one, please.
[23:15] <blekos> slide23,
[23:15] <LjL> slide23: note that the loading time difference, if it exists, would probably be negligible, as the bulk of booting time is spent loading non-graphical things
[23:16] <blekos> have you tried zenwalk?
[23:16] <scunizi> blekos: you have to set one pc to listen on one port.. like 5900 and the other on a different port (5901).. then in your router you have to port forward each port to the correct machine.. when connecting remotely you'd http://address.com:<PortNumber>
[23:16] <rip> Wallace: I don't think vista tools will recognize ubuntu ext3/4 partition, and i am still doubtful, especially when trusting MS software with my data...
[23:16] <LjL> slide23: well, in that case you can just do that: start X with no environment, and only a script to load your full-screen aplpication.
[23:16] <trevorj> slide23: oh, are you doing a thin-client setup?
[23:16] <slide23> never heard of zenwalk
[23:16] <rip> trevorj:  are you sure... gparted FAQ #9 @ http://gparted.sourceforge.net/faq.php seems to say otherwise
[23:16] <Mikeh> Hrm
[23:16] <d4non> I screwed up a ntfs partition in ubuntu installating program, I picked the ntfs partition with most free space on it and I thought it's gonna make a new partition in the free space, but it removed the partition and formatted the amount of free space into ext3 and the rest became regular unalocated space, any hope to recover the data? Did not Write anything in there yet!
[23:16] <slide23> trevorj, not sure what thin-client means hehe
[23:16] <Mikeh> How does one use grubs savedefaults --once on ubuntu? Every time I try it, it doesn't work?
[23:17] <rip> trevorj: how do i "make a backup of your vista bootmgr"?
[23:17] <blekos> hm, the pre-install remote desktop in ubuntu does not have any port configuration, any ideas?
[23:17] <Wallace> rip: they don't have to, they just have to leave it alone....as long as you only fiddle with the vista partition, your ubuntu shouldn't be hurt.  The worst that could happen is that you might have to re-install grub on the mbr, but that shoudln't happen
[23:17] <trevorj> rip: easybcd or vistabootpro both can do it
[23:17] <slide23> trevorj, not really, im attempting to put my old laptop to use as a carpc. I have a 8" touch screen i want to connect it to
[23:18] <trevorj> slide23: ah. mythtv setup or ..?
[23:18] <slide23> trevorj, not sure yet, possibly, or maybe something custom
[23:18] <monga> hey guys how can i backup all my files on my ubuntu harddrive to a remote server?
[23:18] <scunizi> blekos: it defaults at 5900.. there might be a way to change the configs to something else.. or use tightvnc server..
[23:19] <blekos> i c thnx
[23:19] <trevorj> monga: there's a zillion different ways, what kind of remote server? ftp? sftp? rsync?
[23:19] <Chris___> I'm running update atm, anyone else getting hung up on "84% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]"
[23:19] <Wallace> trevorj & don't forget nfs & samba :)
[23:19] <monga> i have a dedicated server running ubuntu (http) and i also have Apple Time Capsule
[23:19] <unconnected> hello
[23:19] <trevorj> Wallace: nfs and samba aren't usually run remotely ;)
[23:19] <monga> what is the best method via http trevorj
[23:20] <trevorj> monga: why would you do it that way
[23:20] <Wallace> trevorj: well they certainly aren't run locally ;)
[23:20] <monga> trevorj which way? http?
[23:20] <flootenkerp> Hi, I have an issue
[23:20] <trevorj> monga: yes
[23:20] <flootenkerp> I attempted to change my usplash screen
[23:20] <monga> trevorj because i keep all my files on apache in dir folders
[23:21] <monga> trevorj do u suggest a better method?
[23:21] <flootenkerp> And now my usplash screen is the grub menu booting my startup
[23:21] <rip> Wallace:  i will try to more research online to confirm, but thx.
[23:21] <trevorj> monga: do you mean WebDAV?
[23:21] <rip> trevorj: hmmm... i'm very untrusting of proprietary software itself... And, i'm ultra untrusting of 3rd party (non-MS) proprietary software.  Are there any free-software tools that will backup vista mbr?
[23:21] <flootenkerp> I don't have a usplash screen anymore
[23:21] <flootenkerp> How would I resolve the issue?
[23:21] <monga> no trevorj just a http server running apache
[23:21] <ikonia> rip: dd
[23:22] <monga> trevorj your in opinion... what is the best way to backup my data on my pc to a remote harddrive wiressly
[23:22] <trevorj> rip: I'm very untrusting as well, you can back up the mbr easily in linux using dd
[23:22] <trevorj> rip: but you are using windows to begin with
[23:22] <trevorj> rip: so I would just use the "free" easybcd to back it up just in case
[23:22] <scunizi> rip: you could always ask in ##windows
[23:22] <Chris___> I'm running update, anyone else getting hung up on "84% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]"? My system won't go any further than that server... I get a timeout message
[23:23] <siddhant3s> I have a problem, when I am on a wireless lan, my Internet through wvdial doesn't work.
[23:23] <Wallace> monga: "remote hard drive" ?? is attached to a machine?  what os is that machine running?
[23:23] <monga> its a remote server Wallace and its running ubuntu
[23:23] <flootenkerp> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 9.04. I tried to change my usplash screen, but just quit, but I'm not sure what happened, but now my usplash screen is gone, and the grub menu starts me up instead. Does anyone know how I can revert it to its original usplash screen?
[23:23] <trevorj> monga: I use rsync personally, but it's not exactly user friendly
[23:23] <Wallace> monga: do you want this backup to be automatic or manual?
[23:23] <monga> Wallace automatic would be great but manual is also good
[23:23] <scunizi> monga: trevorj for simple rsync usage (ie.. not all features) try grsync
[23:23] <trevorj> rip: I wanted you to backup more than just the mbr
[23:24] <rip> ikonia:  Wouldn't dd do something equivalent to gparted (doesn't gparted run dd behind the scenes?)
[23:24] <trevorj> scunizi: I hate gui personally, I was meaning for monga in case he didn't
[23:24] <monga> Windows Home Server automatically backs up data, and Apples Time machine automatically backs up data to remote servers. Does ubuntu have any application like that?
[23:25] <rip> trevorj:  ;-)  but I use all free software on top of non-free Vista kernel+shell.
[23:25] <ikonia> rip: no
[23:25] <Wallace> monga: and how do you connect to the remote server?  is it on a local network (e.g. via wifi) or really remote...as in via the Internet?
[23:25] <flootenkerp> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 9.04. I tried to change my usplash screen, but just quit, but I'm not sure what happened, but now my usplash screen is gone, and the grub menu starts me up instead. Does anyone know how I can revert it to its original usplash screen?
[23:25] <scunizi> trevorj: monga I can understand that.. however I think it will generate a cli readable script .. good basis for learning rsync
[23:25] <monga> Wallace very remote... Via internet
[23:26] <Zargle> ikonia?
[23:26] <Wallace> monga:  I would probably set up a vpn and then use either samba or nfs, and simply copy the files using the desktop....eventually you could probably script things
[23:27] <Wallace> monga: but another way to do ... which is a bit easier would be to set up an ftp server, and ftp the files
[23:27] <Random832> so is lubuntu any good?
[23:27] <Random832> and how 'done' is it?
[23:27] <monga> Wallace Okay ill try that
[23:27] <trevorj> monga: I highly reccommend rsync or, as scunizi said, grsync is a GUI for rsync
[23:27] <sjefen6> Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[23:27] <trevorj> monga: but it's all up to you
[23:27] <scunizi> you should ask the lubuntu people Random832
[23:27] <Chris___> sjefen6: I'm having the same issue. apparently the server is having problems.
[23:28] <ardchoille> !ubuntuone | monga
[23:28] <d4non> I screwed up a ntfs partition in ubuntu installating program, I picked the ntfs partition with most free space on it and I thought it's gonna make a new partition in the free space, but it removed the partition and formatted the amount of free space into ext3 and the rest became regular unalocated space, any hope to recover the data? Did not Write anything in there yet!
[23:28] <flootenkerp> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 9.04. I tried to change my usplash screen, but just quit, I'm not sure what happened but now my usplash screen is gone and the grub menu starts me up instead. Does anyone know how I can revert it to its original usplash screen?
[23:28] <monga> thanks ardchoille and Wallace and everyone
[23:28] <trevorj> monga: you could use ubuntuone as well, but keep in mind, do you really trust some random company with your files?
[23:28] <sjefen6> Chris___: oki
[23:28] <Wallace> d4non: if you formatted the partition you may be a little screwed.
[23:28] <scunizi> d4non: good luck..
[23:28] <trevorj> monga: even though they are the ones who create ubuntu, you really never know...
[23:29] <flootenkerp> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 9.04. I tried to change my usplash screen, but just quit, I'm not sure what happened but now my usplash screen is gone and the grub menu starts me up instead.   I have a spare hard disk drive (full space available) with larger space than current hdd used to dual-boot Vista + Ubuntu.  If I use gparted to copy over all the partitions from old hdd to new hdd, will the new hdd also be the same dual-boot of Vista + Ubuntu?
[23:30] <trevorj> monga: and everything is automatically encrypted using your password
[23:30] <d4non> Wallace trying again with testdisk
[23:30] <monga> trevorji what program is this again?
[23:30] <scunizi> rip: do you just want more space for your ubuntu generated material?
[23:30] <flootenkerp> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 9.04. I tried to change my usplash screen, but just quit, I'm not sure what happened but now my usplash screen is gone and the grub menu starts me up instead. Does anyone know how I can revert it to its original usplash screen?
[23:30] <trevorj> monga: spideroak. 2g free cloud backup.
[23:30] <trevorj> monga: I've only used it for a single client, so ymmv
[23:30] <monga> lol i need 500GB at least trevorj haha
[23:31] <trevorj> monga: yeah, if it were me personally, I'd do the same thing you are doing
[23:31] <Misfit> nick /Misery
[23:31] <trevorj> monga: I don't trust anyone with my files but me ;)
[23:31] <neon_> this is crazy, i have a tv tuner and i can get over 100 channels but not sound, the crazy thing is since it is a hybryd tuner if i connect an OTA antenna i get acan ne1 help with an usb tv tuner issue, i get all channels but no sound, any suggestions
[23:31] <scunizi> rip: you could make it your entire /home partition.. or if you'd like use something like clonezilla to clone your current partitions and then put them on the new drive.. it would work
[23:31] <Wallace> d4non:  you may find a lot of the data is still physically on the disk, but if you formatted it ext3, you may find it troublesome to get anything conventional to run it.
[23:31] <monga> trevorj so the best metthod would be a ftp server or vpn?
[23:31] <rip> scunizi:  yes, ultimately thats my only goal. right now my ubuntu partition is very limited in space, and i'm wasting so much time constantly freeing space.
[23:31] <zuez> Hi, what's the possible cause for this: The server may be overloaded
[23:32] <zuez> Everytime I'm doing a do-release-upgrade.
[23:32] <trevorj> monga: I'd just use rsync over ssh with a pubkey personally, that way it would work wherever you are
[23:32] <ardchoille> monga: you could always buy an external hard drive
[23:32] <Wallace> monga: i don't know about this rsync that the others were talking about....maybe that would work, but if you can't get it to run and you just want something simple so that you can just copy the frickin things, then ftp would be a good option
[23:32] <monga> trevorji how does that work if i have 20GB of music/photos in 3 different folders I need to transfer?
[23:32] <flootenkerp> Does anyone here know anything about replacing and or fixing ubuntu's usplash screen? I'm having an issue with it. Now I don't have one, and the grub menu loads me up instead.
[23:32] <trevorj> monga: rsync only copies differences
[23:32] <flootenkerp> Help would really be appreciated, please.
[23:32] <ardchoille> !usplash
[23:33] <d4non> Wallace http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Data_Recovery_Examples doing a reformated data recovery "bottom of the page" might be risky
[23:33] <scunizi> rip: ok.. then you could format it.. copy all your /home data (including the hidden . (dot) files.. then rename your current /home to /back_home.. make your change in /etc/fstab for the new uuid drive reference and reboot.. done :)
[23:33] <trevorj> monga: so once it copies it once, it will only copy what's changed
[23:33] <Wallace> flooten: what is a "usplash" screen
[23:33] <monga> trevorj sounds neat
[23:33] <trevorj> monga: and it works great with a whole bunch of data, I use it daily to backup over 110G of data personally
[23:33] <rip> scunizi: unfortuantely, it is a laptop internal hdd (and replacement hdd)... So I cannot use both old and new hdd at same tiem...  so, gparted doesn't provide capability to "clone" a hdd?
[23:33] <paissad-hp> hi all
[23:33] <scunizi> rip: clonezilla is your answer then.
[23:33] <monga> trevorj is there a script you can write that automatically rsyncs it daily?
[23:34] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  It appears gnome-settings-daemon "steals" the ctrl-alt-n key on session startup, so that compiz can't use it.  Why might it be doing that?  How do I make it not do that?
[23:34] <flootenkerp> Wallace the load screen to load up ubuntu
[23:34] <trevorj> monga: yeah, easily
[23:34] <Wallace> d4non: well, if you reformatted it, you may be stuffed anyway.  If you want to play it safe, and you have enough capacity elsewhere, then take a copy of the partition before you start
[23:34] <scunizi> rip: gotta run.. good luck
[23:34] <paissad-hp> when i use ssh -X or ssh -Y, i can have the X output, but how can i obtain the audio output on my client computer ?
[23:34] <vock> msg nickserv identify 23225
[23:34] <rip> scunizi: thx
[23:34] <Wallace> flooten: ubuntu normally uses grub that i'm aware of - i've never heard of "usplash"
[23:34] <unconnected>  for(i=0;i<64;i+=4){*(long *)&buf[i]=retaddr;}
[23:34] <ardchoille> vock: you might wanna change your password now
[23:34] <slide23> does ubuntu 9.10 employ parallel booting?
[23:34] <mynameguy> guys please help me ...I WANT to use Ubuntu but my Laptop temperature is very high.I use a Lenovo Thinkpad Core Duo 2.60 GHZ processor !
[23:34] <unconnected>  mem
[23:34] <unconnected> #include <stdio.h>
[23:34] <lstarnes> vock: /msg nickserv help set password
[23:34] <trevorj> Wallace: usplash is not a bootloader
[23:34] <unconnected> #include <stdlib.h>
[23:35] <FloodBot4> unconnected: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:35] <jonaskoelker> paissad-hp: I'm guessing pulse audio tricks
[23:35] <unconnected> #include <string.h>
[23:35] <unconnected> #include <strings.h>
[23:35] <unconnected> #include <signal.h>
[23:35] <LjL> !ops | unconnected
[23:35] <trevorj> Wallace: usplash is a function of the kernel to display the splashscreen upon bootup before X is loaded
[23:35] <sekyourbox> what package do you need to download if you want to play most media. like mp3's and flack and such?
[23:35] <mynameguy> guys please help me ...I WANT to use Ubuntu but my Laptop temperature is very high.I use a Lenovo Thinkpad Core Duo 2.60 GHZ processor !
[23:35] <trevorj> Wallace: the splashimage itself is stored in the initramfs iirc
[23:36] <d4non> Wallace I've got an external usb drive and I have no idea how to backup the partitions into it
[23:36] <zerq> mynameguy: did you install laptop-mode-tools and stuff?
[23:36] <jonaskoelker> sekyourbox: mplayer
[23:36] <Wallace> trevorj: well, i'm stumped there then :\
[23:36] <vock> lstarnes: woops, thanks
[23:36] <trevorj> mynameguy: if it gets hot, you probably have cooling issues in your laptop
[23:36] <jonaskoelker> sekyourbox: mplayer will play (roughly speaking) everything.  If you add a codec pack here or there, it'll even play the really obscure things
[23:36] <zerq> I installed ubuntu desktop on my new netbook and had to manually add some laptop stuff, but that's to be expected i guess
[23:36] <trevorj> mynameguy: I had to apply thermal paste to my macbook pro because they ladled it on like candy
[23:36] <mynameguy> trevorj: No it was not hot while using Vista
[23:37] <Wallace> d4non: look at "dd" - copies raw data.  you want something like dd if=/dev/hda1 of= /mnt/external-drive/partition-bak.dat  (don't take my word for that cmdline though)
[23:37] <jonaskoelker> (like mod files, sid/ay/tfmx files, etc.)
[23:37] <zerq> seems to be working fine so far but i still need to do some tweaking to get the best battery life i think
[23:37] <trevorj> mynameguy: whats your loadavgs like?
[23:37] <vock> I was just wondering if anyone knew if an ubuntu minimal build install was going to be released for 9.10?
[23:37] <zerq> seems to get about the same battery life as windows 7 so far :/
[23:37] <trevorj> mynameguy: and it really doesn't matter if it worked fine on windows or not
[23:37] <Templar_Xion> Anyone else unable to ping/get updates from security.ubuntu.com ?
[23:37] <mynameguy> trevorj: how to check them?
[23:37] <coachz> how can i view hidden folders in the browser ?
[23:37] <trevorj> mynameguy: $ uptime
[23:38] <SeaPhor|borked> d4non,  just dd it,, do dd --help and look here http://www.crazytrain.com/dd.html
[23:38] <zerq> well.. if it's much hotter in linux than windows it might be that the cpu throttling or fan control isnt working properly in linux..
[23:38] <Wallace> templar: 100% packet loss for me right now
[23:38] <trevorj> coachz: nautilus? ctrl+h
[23:38] <trevorj> coachz: or view --> show hidden files
[23:38] <Templar_Xion> Wallace, thx. :(
[23:38] <zerq> auto fan speed seems to work better in ubuntu than windows 7 for me :D
[23:38] <msleather> is there still a power pc version of ubuntu?
[23:38] <trevorj> zerq: I didn't think about fan control not working
[23:38] <trevorj> zerq: good idea
[23:38] <zerq> msleather: unofficially
[23:39] <mynameguy> trevorj: load average: 0.00 0.04 0.06
[23:39] <trevorj> mynameguy: whats the temp? can you run an acpi -V?
[23:39] <msleather> zerq could you direct me?
[23:39] <mynameguy> trevorj: ok
[23:39] <trevorj> mynameguy: just paste me the thermals
[23:39] <coachz> how do i copy my path in the browser please ?
[23:39] <mynameguy> trevorj: acpi is not installed
[23:39] <trevorj> mynameguy: apt-get install acpi
[23:39] <zerq> msleather: I got a recent version for ppc a while back.. one sec
[23:39] <trevorj> coachz: ctrl+l to show the location bar
[23:39] <msleather> i am using a pb g4 tonite at work and wanted to do something to kill time since i have to work and this thing is here. it is a powerbook G4
[23:40] <msleather> thanks
[23:40] <coachz> thanks !
[23:40] <Wallace> coachz: or click the pen icon :)
[23:40] <Zargle> ikonia
[23:40] <zerq> msleather: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[23:40] <coachz> Wallace, , i see that now !
[23:40] <coachz> nice
[23:40] <msleather> thank you zerq
[23:41] <trevorj> mynameguy: http://code-saturne.blogspot.com/2009/08/linuxubuntu-on-lenovo-thinkpad.html
[23:41] <trevorj> mynameguy: before looking there however
[23:41] <trevorj> mynameguy: you might want to look into your BIOS setup and see what it's fan settings are
[23:41] <benedikt> what packages are supposed to be installed for totem to play regular .avi files?
[23:41] <amaurea> Hi. After an automatic software update, my ubuntu 9 laptop suddenly lost its ability to produce sound. what could be wrong?
[23:42] <Wallace> I have 2 network connections (wifi & mobile/3G).  I want my VPN to come up automatically when the 3G comes up, but not the wifi - any idea how i do it in network manager (or if i can at all)
[23:42] <zerq> msleather: no problem.. worked very well on my g4 powerbook when i tried, except there is no native flash plugin because adobe are dicks.. and the open source ones are still pretty sketchy
[23:42] <msleather> why are they discriminating against ppc platform? one would think this was a windows channel ;)
[23:42] <Wallace> amaurea: try the obvious...check the volume settings ;)
[23:42] <trevorj> amaurea: are your mixers muted?
[23:42] <mynameguy> trevorj: yes
[23:43] <trevorj> benedikt: .avi files are just a container format, they can contain a multitude of formats inside of them
[23:43] <trevorj> benedikt: you'll prolly want to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-*
[23:43] <promiscuousmode> This may sound like a silly question, but I want to install MediaWiki; i'm totally new to ubuntu. Do I specifically need Ubuntu Server Edition, or can I install Apache and MySql etc on the "regular" ubuntu distribution?
[23:43] <benedikt> trevorj: i know. i have gstreamer plugins.
[23:43] <trevorj> benedikt: promiscuousmode you can do it on both =)
[23:43] <trevorj> er
[23:43] <promiscuousmode> great thanks
[23:43] <trevorj> promiscuousmode: you can do it on both =)
[23:43] <amaurea> Wallace, trevorj: Not muted, but the PCM dial was turned down to the bottom. So that was simple to fix. Thanks! But what could have caused that to happen?
[23:43] <Wallace> promiscuous: either
[23:44] <msleather> it sure is lonely on this on the ppc section of ubuntu.com :D
[23:44] <trevorj> amaurea: alsa stores your mixer settings upon shutdown and restores them upon bootup
[23:44] <benedikt> trevorj: what? priscous mode is ethernet stuff. Wrong hilight?
[23:44] <coachz> did i mention that Ubuntu is MUCH nicer than Windows 7 ?  holy crap, who knew
[23:44] <Templar_Xion> promiscuousmode, Ubuntu server and desktop are not really much different, unlike windows XP and windows server which are two completely different beasts.
[23:44] <trevorj> benedikt: yup
[23:44] <trevorj> amaurea: if that mixer name changed with a sound driver update
[23:44] <trevorj> amaurea: it could reset it back to zero
[23:45] <trevorj> amaurea: or if it failed to restore the old setting
[23:45] <amaurea> trevorj: ok. actually, the computer had trouble rebooting after the update. I guess that might have caused it
[23:45] <trevorj> amaurea: that could DEFINATELY cause it
[23:45] <zerq> msleather: yeah, not much support from anyone for ppc these days :/  I have a bare bones version of debian running on my old pismo (g3 powerbook) and it works great.. ubuntu was too much for it though
[23:45] <Templar_Xion> promiscuousmode, it's more of a different 'pre selected bundle of packages' for server/desktop. Some kernel changes based on server I/O increases, but really not really any difference to a beginner
[23:45] <zerq> debian still has an "official" ppc distro i think..
[23:45] <trevorj> promiscuousmode: stop viewing all of my packets
[23:46] <Wallace> anybody know how I can run a script when network interfaces come up via network manager?
[23:46] <Templar_Xion> zerq, Nah they stopped after like 2006
[23:46] <benedikt> zerq: since ubuntu doesnt support ppc any more id recomend debian for anyone with ppc
[23:46] <msleather> actually i see panther may be to much for it zerq :)
[23:46] <Templar_Xion> zerq, Sorry, I meant Ubuntu.
[23:46] <zerq> the ubuntu one is still pretty well maintained, it's just not supported
[23:46] <promiscuousmode> thanks everyone
[23:46] <amaurea> By the way; i ahve another small problem. Whenever I choose suspnd manually, the mouse has forgotten its speed etc. when I exit from suspend. However, if I just use the auto-suspend from closing the lid, that doesn't happen. Very odd.
[23:46] <trevorj> Wallace: doesn't networkmanager still call the /etc/network/if-up.d/* scripts?
[23:46] <benedikt> trevorj: oh. that was a nick...
[23:46] <msleather> my lilttle macbook runs elive with no problem.
[23:46] <benedikt> trevorj: not init deamon.
[23:47] <benedikt> not = new
[23:47] <trevorj> mynameguy: ping
[23:47] <Wallace> trevorJ: any idea which one?  I expected them to be named after the interface
[23:47] <Hans-Martin> hi folks, I've got a problem with lame in 9.10: it says "lame: symbol lookup error: lame: undefined symbol: lame_set_write_id3tag_automatic"
[23:47] <trevorj> Wallace: they are all called upon any interface up
[23:47] <msleather> this powerbook g4 has a big beautifuul scrren and everyhing ibut is super sluggish. my god.
[23:48] <Hans-Martin> looks like the symbol lame_set_write_id3tag_automatic is not defined in /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
[23:48] <msleather> download ubunt now. will try debian next.
[23:48] <Wallace> trevorj: okay, so how do i write conditional code based upon a specific interface?  (I want to replace my hosts file with a different one depending on the interface in use)
[23:48] <msleather> has anyone installed openemm on ubuntu server?
[23:48] <trevorj> Hans-Martin: sounds like some package hasn't been built with the latest libraries, or you have mismatched versions of files for lame
[23:49] <msleather> if so could you msg me
[23:49] <trevorj> Wallace: they are called with $1 being the interface name, iirc
[23:49] <Wallace> trevorj: ahh, kthx, will look into it
[23:49] <ami_> help me please , i accidently deleted  /etc/alternatives how can i get it back, i am using Jaunty 9.0.4
[23:49] <trevorj> Wallace: I was wrong, it's actually $IFACE
[23:49] <ardchoille> Hans-Martin: you aren't using sources from another distro in your ubuntu or mixing jaunty/hardy/karmic sources are you?
[23:49] <Wallace> trevorj: cool, thx
[23:50] <JairunCaloth> Anyone fimiliar with freenx?
[23:50] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: yep
[23:50] <monga> when will the next ubuntu beta release be available?
[23:50] <trevorj> amaurea: update-alternatives --all
[23:50] <Hans-Martin> trevorj: I suspected that at first, but the problem persists after re-installing the relevant libs. I will try to see whether lame uses additional libs which might be outdated.
[23:50] <Wallace> trevorj: time for some script hacking then
[23:50] <amaurea> trevorj: what does that do?
[23:51] <trevorj> amaurea: sorry
[23:51] <trevorj> ami_: update-alternatives --all
[23:51] <ami_> thanks a lor trevorj
[23:51] <JairunCaloth> trevorj: I'm using public key auth only for ssh. And I can't seem to get my keys setup correctly to connect via nxclient remotly
[23:51] <Hans-Martin> ardchoille: I don't think that 'm mixing sources, but this system has been built by consecutive updates from edgy eft on I think.
[23:51] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: you need to grab the nx client key as well unless you used the nx default
[23:51] <Wallace> trevorj: also, do you know how I can kick off a vpn connection configured in network manager from the cmdline?  I want my vpn to come up if I connect my wireless (3g/mobile) , but not my wifi
[23:51] <mMezquitale> JairunCaloth, can you connect to your ssh server fine using an ssh client?
[23:52] <sharperguy> Any quick way I can convert a bunch of jpegs to 24-bit windows bmp's?
[23:52] <ardchoille> Hans-Martin: ok
[23:52] <ami_> trevorj update-alternatives: unable to install /etc/alternatives/rvim.dpkg-tmp as /etc/alternatives/rvim: No such file or directory
[23:52] <JairunCaloth> trevorj: I don't want to use the default keys
[23:52] <Wallace> sharperguy: imagemagic/imagemagik if it's still around
[23:52] <trevorj> Wallace: configured from network-manager? sorry, possibly something with nm-tool
[23:52] <Hans-Martin> ardchoille: I've checked sources.list, only karmic repositories there
[23:52] <ardchoille> Hans-Martin: Ok, good job
[23:52] <trevorj> sharperguy: as Wallace said, imagemagick is the package name, convert is the program
[23:53] <ardchoille> Wallace: it's still around :)
[23:53] <JairunCaloth> mMezquitale: yes I can connect via ssh fine
[23:53] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: are you aware of how NX authenticates?
[23:53] <Wallace> trevorj: the gui network manager...I've configured it all in there but i only want my vpn to connect if my 3g lilnk comes up
[23:53] <sharperguy> traveller, Wallace, looks like I already have it, tnaks
[23:53] <sharperguy> *thanks
[23:53] <JairunCaloth> trevorj: I think I'm definatly missing something.
[23:53] <FIReun> platform is ubuntu intrepid amd64 - tryinig to install libgtk2.0-dev it complains that I have libgtk2.14.4-0ubuntu2 installed and it wants ubuntu1 - - - maybe disabling intrepid-proposed then --reinstalling libgtk2.0-0 will get me libgtk2.14.4-0ubuntu1 and so allow me to install -dev ?? anyone??
[23:53] <Wallace> trevorj: ... so i want to script it
[23:53] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: nx connects using the "nx" user using the NX server ssh key
[23:54] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: the nx user's shell is set to the nxserver's cli program
[23:54] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: nx then authenticates your sessions through that program
[23:54] <Hans-Martin> could anybody with 9.04 or 9.10 (and lame) execute "nm /usr/bin/lame|fgrep lame_set_write_id3tag_automatic" to see whether they have this symbol in their lib?
[23:54] <trevorj> JairunCaloth: so it doesn't even use ssh on your username at all
[23:54] <coachz> is there any way to get to bookmarks in a file dialog box ?
[23:55] <Trizicus> Could someone suggest to me a disk 'wiper'? A complete clean of my 'so called deleted' files? That wipes them as 0s. Can do it on mounted partitions on openspace
[23:55] <JairunCaloth> trevorj: I see. It is failing while attempting to connect to the NX server. My machine won't let the NX user in.
[23:55] <trevorj> Trizicus: dd will do it
[23:55] <Wallace> trizicus: dd
[23:55] <babilen> FIReun: The fascist was completely uncalled for. There are differences between ubuntu and debian and if we assume that you use debian, some assumptions might be false, which ultimately leads to a a lot of wasted time. Try to be a little polite nect time.
[23:55] <trevorj> Trizicus: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/blah
[23:55] <Trizicus> trevorj: it will do empty space on /?
[23:55] <Wallace> trizicus: dd if=/dev/zero of .... trevor beat me, but you could also use /dev/random instead of /dev/zero
[23:56] <moymoy> Trizicus: yeah.. dd will fill up the entire drive with zeros.. then delete that one file
[23:56] <trevorj> Trizicus: it will get rid of =everything=
[23:56] <trevorj> Trizicus: you may want to run it nine times
[23:56] <whoiswho> Hi.. does anyone know how I can get the Evolution mail icon to stop showing up in the indicator-applet area? (On karmic.) Thanks.
[23:56] <moymoy> Trizicus: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/bunchozeros
[23:56] <Trizicus> Well I dont want it to delete my / partition I just want it to 'clean' it but leave data intact that hasnt been deleted
[23:56] <JairunCaloth> trevorj: I was using this doc to configure, but it fails still https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[23:56] <Wallace> moymoy: if you do it write, it will overwrite the entire filesystem, not just create a file
[23:56] <moymoy> Trizicus: let it run until the drive is filled to 100%
[23:56] <Wallace> s/write/right
[23:56] <ardchoille> whoiswho: I have been trying to do the same thing on Jaunty
[23:57] <whoiswho> really? i don't think i had the icon in jaunty.
[23:57] <trevorj> Trizicus: make a backup, wipe the drive nine times, then restore the backup
[23:57] <moymoy> Wallace: not if you specify of=/path/file ... if you specify of=/dev/someblockdevice, then yes, it'll overwrite the filesystem
[23:57] <trevorj> Trizicus: because if you just run it once it's possible to grab your files because the tracks on your drive are slightly wider than your heads
[23:57] <Trizicus> trevorj: That is just a little complicated. I remember in windows there is software that does it w/o the need to backup is there anything in linux that can do that?
[23:57] <trevorj> Trizicus: so sometimes they move slightly
[23:57] <whoiswho> But, yeah, I don't use Evolution and get annoyed at that icon for wasting space in my panel
[23:57] <Trizicus> trevorj: I know that lol :D
[23:57] <Wallace> moymoy: that would be the way to do it :)
[23:58] <Hans-Martin> eek - sorry folks, it was my fault, I had conflicting libs in /usr/local/lib
[23:58] <whoiswho> I'm almost ready to remove the indicator-applet entirely
[23:58] <vesper_> Hi can anyone help me with a screen problem. A lot of the windows on my net book are to big to be viewed. I've altered the resolution, resized them, moved them and I don't know what else to do
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: when do it how moymoy said to do it, but do it a bunch of times
[23:58] <ardchoille> Hans-Martin: glad you got it sorted
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: and I highly reccommend doing it from a livecd
[23:58] <Wallace> whois: right click, select remove from panel
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: let it fill completely to 100%
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: then do it more times
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: =)
[23:58] <trevorj> Trizicus: after deleting said zero file of course
[23:58] <Trizicus> trevorj: That requires too much intervention lol
[23:59] <whoiswho> Wallace: but, isn't that the same applet that's used to show me, for example, packages that need to be updated?
[23:59] <trevorj> Trizicus: then you can do it live the way moymoy said to do it, but you will still have some leftover space that hasn't been zeroed
[23:59] <FIReun> useless


[12:30] <UnivrslSuprBox> sbeattie: You've been subscribed to 2012949 as requested
[13:11] <ahasenack> hi #security, apparmor question. I have this kea-lfc profile, and it contains this bit: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZqD5ZX5sQ6/
[13:11] <ahasenack> you'll note a comment wondering about including <abstractions/nameservice> instead of those individual rules for resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf, etc
[13:11] <ahasenack> I looked at that abstraction, and it will also allow ldap stuff (because nsswitch -> nss_ldap -> ldap stuff)
[13:12] <ahasenack> a bug came in just now, where a user has an actual /etc/resolv.conf file which is not a symlink to the stub in /run/systemd/....
[13:12] <ahasenack> and the obvious fix is to allow /etc/resolv.conf r, too
[13:12] <ahasenack> but now I'm wondering even more whether it's just not better to include that abstraction
[13:12] <ahasenack> thoughts?
[13:13] <sdeziel> there are many valid targets for `/etc/resolv.conf`
[13:13] <sdeziel> systemd-resolved provide 2 (stub being the default)
[13:14] <ahasenack> afaik systemd was the only one replacing resolv.conf with a symlink, am I mistaken?
[13:14] <ahasenack> I thought resolvconf just replaced the file entirely
[13:14] <ahasenack> (but I have never used it, tbh)
[13:16] <sdeziel> resolvconf and openresolv come to mind
[13:17] <sdeziel> that said, neither are in lunar anymore so maybe you can get away without the abstraction :)
[13:18] <ahasenack> the other thing about using an abstraction, is that I can benefit from improvements done to the abstraction
[13:18] <ahasenack> it's like a library
[13:20] <ahasenack> but that nameservice abstractions really does include many others
[13:20] <ahasenack> nis, ldapclient, winbind, likewise (!), mdns, kerberosclient, nss-systemd
[13:20] <ahasenack> likewise(-open), I think that was from lucid
[13:20] <ahasenack> back when we momentarily had a big push to ldapify things
[13:22] <sdeziel> I personally always go with the abstraction but I'm curious to hear from #security as well :)
[13:25] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I didn't look at the full apparmor profile but if you don't include the `<abstractions/nameservice>` you probably need to allow the network bits to let the connection to the DNS server happen
[13:25] <ahasenack> one downside is that, if there is a problem with the abstraction, fixing that is going to be in a different package
[13:26] <ahasenack> I allow dgram, for udp
[13:26] <ahasenack> the nameservice abstraction does allow that and more
[13:26] <ahasenack> stream also, for ipv4 and ipv6
[13:26] <ahasenack> so maybe that's another reason to include the abstraction instead
[13:27] <ahasenack> ok, I'm almost convinced
[13:27] <sdeziel> ahasenack: the user lookup also sometimes require the dbus rules
[13:32] <ahasenack> I wouldn't expect this user (a system user: _kea) to be in ldap or any other network-type of user db lookup, but I don't know about dbus being user for that
[13:32] <ahasenack> that would be a systemd thing I suspect?
[13:32] <ahasenack> dynamic systemd users, for services?
[13:33] <sdeziel> yeah, I'll try to dig up the bug I'm half remembering, sec
[13:34] <sdeziel> ahasenack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1869024
[13:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1869024 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "add support for DynamicUser feature of systemd" [High, Fix Released]
[13:36] <ahasenack> "The abstraction is meant to cover the client, not systemd internal specifics. A client simply accessing that DBus API won't need it and a client simply accessing those sockets won't need it."
[13:36] <ahasenack> might not need it, though
[13:36] <ahasenack> or was that about boot_iod
[13:36] <ahasenack> or was that about boot_id
[13:36] <sdeziel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1796911 <= from you where bind/named would trip on this
[13:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1796911 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "libnss-systemd was denied talking to pid1" [High, Fix Released]
[13:37] <ahasenack> huh, I filed that
[13:38] <sdeziel> that comment about the client not needing those doesn't apply here because kea is the daemon doing the UID change so causing the user lookup, no?
[13:38] <ahasenack> maybe
[13:40] <ahasenack> we don't even have resolvconf anymore (going back to /etc/resolv.conf), but debian does
[13:40] <ahasenack> this was a bug filed by a debian user against debian, btw
[13:40] <ahasenack> I'm monitoring the isc-kea debian bugs because my apparmor profile landed there too
[13:44] <ahasenack> ok, install resolvconf in debian, and you get /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[13:45] <ahasenack> which the nameservice abstraction covers
[13:45] <ahasenack> but not my profile


[12:54] <natureshadow> wahoo, can someone re-implement to count scores as I close three crash reports per secons :D ?
[16:22] <cactaur> Hey, I was wondering if anyone else had this problem with Alpha 5. I've been trying to use a CD, but every time I check the disc, it says that there's an error in a file. However, I checked the md5 sum for the iso: it works out, and I burned it three times, including using the slowest speed on my burner. I still get an error on my disc, so I'm wondering if this could be a bug with the integrity program, or there's just
[16:52] <ImportantGuy> So I was thinking of formatting this netbook to try out the alpha with that suave looking remix interface but figured I should report bugs while I'm at it. Never done this before.
[16:53] <ImportantGuy> I'm probably in the wrong mindset, but I figured if I could help report at least one bug I'd feel worth it.
[16:57] <cactaur> ImportantGuy: You should do it. Have you read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:58] <ImportantGuy> Am reading
[17:01] <ImportantGuy> Also it says "Next Ubuntu Testing Day, Monday June 22nd 2009" near the top of the testing page
[17:01] <ImportantGuy> Which was months ago
[17:01] <cactaur> ImportantGuy: Yeah, apparently the wiki is a bit behind.
[17:07] <ImportantGuy> Oh yes when is the next day and also where can I find the latest 9.10 release
[17:07] <ImportantGuy> or in general latest build
[17:09] <cactaur> Umm... I don't know the next day.
[17:10] <cactaur> But the latest release is Alpha5.
[17:12] <cactaur> There's a schedule right here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[17:14] <cactaur> If you click Alpha5, it'll take you right to the download page.
[18:01] <ImportantGuy> Neato
[18:35] <metalf8801> is there a specific place where I need to report bugs for Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 5?
[19:06] <davmor2> metalf8801: what do you want to report?
[19:07] <metalf8801> a bug in Empathy that won't let my add yahoo accounts
[19:07] <metalf8801> me*
[19:09] <davmor2> metalf8801: just drop into terminal and type ubuntu-bug empathy and add your description of what your are trying to do.  So devs and triagers can resolve the issue
[19:10] <metalf8801> davmor2: ok yeah that's what I thought I should do but I wasn't sure thanks
[19:10] <davmor2> metalf8801: no probs
[19:17] <natureshadow> btw, what does the process of "triaging" involve, or, when is a bug marked as "triaged"?
[19:39] <metalf8801> I'm trying to learn how to write good bug reports so I was hoping someone could take a look at the bug report I just posted on launchpad and give me feed back?
[19:40] <metalf8801> here's a link to it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/424940
[19:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 424940 in empathy "Empathy on Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala cannot add a yahoo account " [Undecided,New]
[19:40] <natureshadow> metalf8801: looks ok to me
[19:41] <metalf8801> thank you
[19:41] <metalf8801> it was a simple bug
[19:56] <davmor2> natureshadow: triaging is making sure that there is a/ enough information to initial confirm the bug.  b/ deciding who should best fix the bug. c/ sending a bug report upstream or to the packaging teams. d/ getting it to the canonical/ubuntu team responsible for the package etc etc etc
[19:56] <davmor2> natureshadow: once that is done the bug will get tagged as triaged
[19:57] <natureshadow> davmor2: Is this done by devs or by users?


[02:20] <evillyEvil> where do I find the 'bazaar.conf' file?
[02:21] <evillyEvil> I'm trying to install bazaar on my Ubuntu, but keep getting a warning about missing some precompiled component, and the suggested solution was to add certain line to that file
[02:21] <spiv> evillyEvil: in the "Bazaar configuration" directory listed by 'bzr version'
[02:21] <spiv> Typically ~/.bazaar
[02:21] <spiv> Are you installing it from a PPA?
[02:21] <evillyEvil> from the .tar obtained from the launchpad page
[02:21] <evillyEvil> spiv:  ^
[02:22] <bob2> you'll want to use the pp
[02:22] <bob2> a
[02:22] <spiv> Why not use the bzr PPA instead?
[02:23] <evillyEvil> Sorry, I'm a little slow, how do I get the PPA?
[02:24] <evillyEvil> only saw 2 options ".dmg" and ".tar" and the launchpad
[02:24] <bob2> what ubuntu
[02:24] <bob2> but tl;dr https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa
[02:25] <evillyEvil> bob2: Ubuntu 3.2.0-31-generic #50 Ubuntu
[02:25] <bob2> I meant the version of ubunutu, no idea what kernel release is in what, but anyway as above
[02:26] <evillyEvil> well, thanks. added the line to the conf file and it resolves my problem
[07:22] <mgz> morning all!
[07:28] <vila> morning mgz and all !
[07:29]  * fullermd waves vila around.
[07:31] <vila> . o O (Of course waving someone has a meaning, you can't just expect fullermd to use approximate english without injecting a joke somewhere)
[07:31] <mgz> being in a channel withh fullermd is an education in itself.
[07:32] <fullermd> If you're not doing fun and generally illegal things to your English, you're not using it right.
[07:33] <vila> ha, good, /me will not pursue efforts to avoid tyops (not that I put a lot of effort there ;)
[07:37] <fullermd> Seek and ye shall be fined; nock and the dorlach shall be unpinned.
[07:37] <venefyxatu> but if, after nocking, ye doth let go, something might get pinned...
[07:39] <fullermd> Well, I'll not quarrel with that.  It's a fletching thought.
[11:20] <jelmer> hey mgz
[11:23] <mgz> hey jelmer!
[17:11] <delinquentme> so I've got a bunch of removed files ... and I'd like to commit the removal of these files...
[17:12] <delinquentme> do I just add those files which were removed?
[17:18] <delinquentme> Ok ... how about how to drop a single file to the version contain in the last commit?
[17:23] <aquarius> can I put a hook in a branch, rather than configuring it in people's clients, so that everyone who gets the branch runs the hook on commit?
[17:24] <aquarius> I see some discussion of this on the bzr wiki but I'm not sure if it ever happened
[17:25] <jelmer> aquarius: no, that's not supported - mostly for security reasons
[17:25] <aquarius> darn.
[17:25] <aquarius> I mean, I can understand why, but nonetheless: darn. :)
[17:26] <aquarius> I was going to add a hook which ran on push and beat you to death if you hadn't run the test suite ;)
[17:26] <jelmer> aquarius: there is actually a plugin like that
[17:26] <jelmer> lp:bzr-testrunner I think
[17:26] <aquarius> oh, certainly, but anyone who I would be able to convince to install the plugin is the sort of person who would run the test suite as a matter of course anyway ;)
[17:27] <jelmer> aquarius: another option is to use something like tarmac to enforce running of the testsuite
[17:27] <jelmer> of course, that requires setting up a tarmac instance somewhere..
[17:28] <aquarius> yeah, and doing that sort of thing, and plugging in CI, and many other things like that are sorta-kinda on my list, but they're pretty heavy bits of hassle that I haven't done yet ;)
[17:29] <delinquentme> ok so in bazaar ... different branches ... DONT have different directories right?
[17:30] <aquarius> jelmer, thanks anyway. I'll just have to enforce running of the test suite by beating people up manually, like I normally do :)
[17:30] <jelmer> aquarius: heh, fair enough
[19:20] <delinquentme> bzr diff -r-148 -r-149  this should run a diff between these two revnos right?
[19:20] <lifeless> no
[19:21] <lifeless> bzr diff -r-148..-149