[18:30] <uspenok> dvheumen: it'sa looks like kernel bug,  becuse in that moment when i choose ubuntn monitor turns of. mb second late
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> rad_:  check the 'alsamixer' and be sure to check the 'volume controlls' to the side that may be scrolled to the right (see the >) at the right side of the tool/window in some cases
[18:32] <uspenok> dvheumen: sound works fine and i heare that ubuntu loaded
[18:32] <dvheumen> hmm
[18:32] <dvheumen> okay
[18:32] <dvheumen> uspenok: well, you could try the 'nomodeset' option, as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Working%20around%20bugs%20in%20the%20new%20kernel%20video%20architecture
[18:33] <dvheumen> maybe that's not the problem, but it doesn't hurt to try, right? :)
[18:33] <RomanK> hehe... while i'm trying to get KMS to work, others are trying to get rid of it? *gg*
[18:33] <uspenok> dvheumen: thx
[18:35] <rad_> ok, Dr_Willis , fixed, tnks :D
[18:36] <dvheumen> RomanK: lol, well hopefully not :P
[18:36] <dvheumen> it's just trial and error ;)
[18:37] <atrus> under ubuntu, alsa sound apps seem to go to pulseaudio automatically, without the need for a /etc/asound.conf, or a ~/.asoundrc. how? also, should this be grabbing requests for the default mixer device too?
[18:38] <RomanK> hm... there isn't even a "ati", "radeon" or "radeonhd" kernel module loaded... is this possible?
[18:38] <paul__> hey guys, given it's only about 10 days till final release, was wondering if there were any x.org issues lurking around (nvidia chipset), crashing on start with 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e937b] 1: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x61c7d) [0x80a9c7d] 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xd48410]
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm - Kde has screensaver that can play videos. :)
[18:46] <Ian_Corne> "saver" :p
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> kde can even have widgits on top of the screensaver.
[18:46] <Ian_Corne> Can't remember the last time I used a screensaver, just disable the screen :p
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> So my screensaver now plays a Buster Keaton Silent Movie.. with clock at the bottom left.
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> High-tech-retro!
[18:51] <crimsun> DanaG: not sure what you mean
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> well rats. a wrench in my fancy screensaver.. - since i have 2 monitors.. the video is playign right in the middle of both of them.
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> L(
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> Dont ya hate that.
[18:53] <CarlFK> melt says "audio codec libfaac unrecognised"    I have libfaac0 installed.   I hate that.
[18:55] <RomanK> the problem why KMS didn't work in the first place was because /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-blacklist was still existent and blacklisted the radeon kernel-module
[18:55] <atrus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio seems to be out of date... you don't still have to define pulse as the default do you? it seems like ubuntu's automatically setting the default alsa device to be the pulseaudio plugin.... however I can't tell where.
[18:55] <RomanK> but the situation after removing that blacklist-entry didn't get better but worse: now when X11 starts up, the screen just goes black... i can blindly login to gnome, but i don't see anything
[18:55] <crimsun> atrus: it's very outdated.
[18:56] <RomanK> and neither /var/log/messages nor /var/log/Xorg.0.log gives useful information what's going wrong
[18:56] <atrus> crimsun: hmm. any idea where/how the default alsa device is getting defined?
[18:56] <crimsun> atrus: we ship it in /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf
[18:57] <crimsun> atrus: which, in turn, is sourced from the default alsa-lib conffile, /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
[18:57] <atrus> crimsun: that would explain how playback gets to alsa...  but that file also is supposed to set the default mixer ctl to the also plugin, and that's not happening for me under lucid.
[18:58] <crimsun> atrus: make sure you read the order of the sourced conffiles.
[18:58] <atrus> crimsun: interesting, that's a directory i've never looked at before.
[18:58] <crimsun> atrus: namely, order is very important; /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc override, etc.
[18:58] <atrus> crimsun: pulse-alsa seems to be the only thing that defines a !default there.
[18:58] <majnoon> ok did wubi install
[18:58] <atrus> crimsun: yeah, i have no /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc.
[18:59] <majnoon> how activate the nvidia drivers ??
[18:59] <crimsun> atrus: what's the problem?
[18:59] <atrus> crimsun: "amixer -Dpulse" doesn't work.
[19:00] <crimsun> atrus: it shouldn't.
[19:00] <uspenok> uff lucid still has problem with my monitor on startup, any ideas
[19:00] <atrus> crimsun: shouldn't it?
[19:00] <crimsun> atrus: no, it shouldn't.
[19:01] <atrus> crimsun: pulse-alsa.conf has "ctl.!default { type pulse }" and "ctl.pulse { type pulse }"
[19:01] <crimsun> atrus: we explicitly bypass the ctl pulse, because you already manipulate that by default
[19:02] <crimsun> atrus: i.e., when you want to use a command line tool like amixer or alsamixer, you really want to manipulate the underlying hw controls.
[19:02] <atrus> crimsun: that seems inconsistent. if cmd-line playback goes to pulse, cmd-line mixers should go to pulse too, it would seem.
[19:03] <atrus> crimsun: where does that "bypass" occur, anyways?
[19:03] <crimsun> atrus: no, they shouldn't, otherwise you have to explicitly ask for the hw controls, which is not the intent with alsamixer or amixer.
[19:03] <atrus> it seems like pulse-alsa.conf should be creating a ctl.pulse that "amixer -Dpulse" would see at least.
[19:03] <crimsun> we patch alsamixer and amixer
[19:03] <crimsun> i.e., it's bypassed at compile-time
[19:04] <atrus> but... if i put "ctl.pulse { type pulse }" it /etc/asound.conf, amixer -Dpulse works
[19:04] <crimsun> well, sure, because you've overridden the existing pulse conf we ship
[19:04] <crimsun> remember how I mentioned the order of the sourced conffiles is important?
[19:04] <atrus> but... the existing pulse conf you ship has  "ctl.pulse { type pulse }" in it anyways :)
[19:05] <crimsun> you're misunderstanding how the conffile sourcing works.
[19:05] <atrus> perhaps
[19:06] <atrus> either way, this seems terribly inconsistent and confusing.... i'd like to know the rationale. If i'm in a GUI, playback and mixing go to pulseaudio. but on a command line, playback goes to pulseaudio and mixing bypasses it?
[19:07] <crimsun> huh?
[19:07] <crimsun> firstly, let's clear up your misunderstanding
[19:07] <crimsun> if you use a command line tool shipped in alsa-utils, you _bypass_ the pulse ctl
[19:07] <majnoon> how activate the nvidia drivers ??
[19:08] <crimsun> you get the hw: perspective, not the plug:default one
[19:08] <atrus> crimsun: that doesn't apply to aplay. aplay still goes to pulseaudio.
[19:08] <crimsun> atrus: aplay isn't a mixer utility
[19:08] <atrus> okay... but why? why bypass the pulse ctl just because we're on the command line?
[19:09] <crimsun> atrus: 1. amixer is called before the pulse daemon is available
[19:09] <red> What's the easiest way to create a username for a friend and "lock" him into his home folder only, so he can't browse my files but has rwx rights in his own folder?
[19:09] <crimsun> 2. not every Ubuntu derivative ships pulse
[19:09] <red> He would be SSHing into the server
[19:09] <jpds> red: Block outgoing SSH?
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[19:10] <atrus> crimsun: for 1), amixer is called in scripts for particular cards, so they should be specifying the hw device anyways.
[19:10] <atrus> crimsun: 2) that's fine, because pulse-alsa.conf won't exist on installations that don't have pulseaudio.
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> jpds: would that even be needed?
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> Theres various chroot guides and restricted shells you could use red  'rbash' i think is a restricted bash. see the bash man pages
[19:10] <red>  jpds huh? I ment that he never physically uses this PC, but uses SSH to log in and run a few programs like irssi and screen.
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> red: make sure nothing is world readable
[19:11] <Ian_Corne> and that should cover it
[19:11] <crimsun> atrus: specifying the hw device still incurs a hook into the pulse daemon.
[19:11] <crimsun> atrus: which will autospawn it
[19:11] <crimsun> obviously that shouldn't happen
[19:11] <jpds> red: Or: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[19:11] <red> sudo chmod -R 750 /home/* enough?
[19:11] <atrus> crimsun: well that would seem like a bug.
[19:11] <crimsun> atrus: patches are welcome.
[19:12] <red> jpds: ah that looks swell
[19:12] <red> jpds: thanks
[19:13] <jpds> Ian_Corne: I meant outgoing, not incoming SSH to the host?
[19:13] <switchgirl> that log problem hasnt gone away
[19:13] <majnoon> ok no sound or no nvidia "official" driver
[19:13] <fvs> just me or is installing via synaptic package manager buggy - it seems to grind to a halt when loading and after installs?
[19:13] <red> why would it be required to block outgoing SSH? :)
[19:13] <switchgirl>  /var/log is more than 51gb
[19:14] <red> I just want to make sure mine and my gf's files are private
[19:14] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure how you even block it outgoing..  domthing dosent make sence about that statement.
[19:14] <red> :)
[19:14] <jpds> red: Oh, I misread your second sentence as "could", not "would". Sorry.
[19:16] <atrus> crimsun: hmm. okay, thanks. doesn't make sense to me, but at least i see where some of this stuff is happening. i may collect my thoughts for a bug report later.
[19:16] <Walzmyn> Kubuntu 10.04 - What happened to the grub editor in System Settings?
[19:17] <majnoon> any help for sblive card in lucid ??
[19:18] <crimsun> majnoon: what about it?
[19:18] <majnoon> it no work :P
[19:18] <crimsun> majnoon: that's incredibly vague.
[19:18] <majnoon> no sound at all on a sblive emu101k based card
[19:19] <crimsun> majnoon: run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> what sblive card exactly?
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> my old emu10k (i think) based cards have worked great.. but i dont have any in any current machine at this time
[19:23] <majnoon> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=73d36f4ff9b4e5de96fb8ee5d40df365ad89ce32
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> Audigy and audigy 2zs cards.
[19:24] <fvs> leave
[19:24] <majnoon> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=73d36f4ff9b4e5de96fb8ee5d40df365ad89ce32
[19:24] <majnoon> brb need a smoke go outside now days :(
[19:26] <crimsun> majnoon: 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' probably needs to be muted
[19:26] <crimsun> stupid tritech codecs
[19:26] <DanaG> crimsun: did you get a chance to see my kernel-hang with my usb-audio?
[19:27] <DanaG> I pastebinned it yesterday.
[19:27] <crimsun> DanaG: no, that's why I asked you
[19:27] <DanaG> ah, sorry, I was afk until just now.
[19:27] <crimsun> DanaG: please prefix my nick if you're addressing me; there's a good chance my client will have lost the scrollback
[19:27] <Walzmyn> Can somebody walk me though how I'm supposed to work this launchpad bug system?
[19:29] <DanaG> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/9xmZHnr8
[19:29] <majnoon> where find that crimsun ??
[19:29] <crimsun> majnoon: alsamixer
[19:29] <Blue11> pulse audio is EVIL!
[19:30] <bjsnider> oh, here we go
[19:30] <DanaG> Blue11: you are EVIL!
[19:30] <DanaG> just kidding.
[19:30] <Blue11> DanaG: pulse is mighty flakey here
[19:30] <DanaG> hmm, what hardware?
[19:30] <atrus> crimsun: hah, just stumbled onto https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/274995 :) this clears some things up.
[19:31] <Blue11> hang a sc
[19:31] <bjsnider> DanaG, what is your usb audio device?
[19:31] <DanaG> C-Media CM106.
[19:31] <DanaG> Turtle Beach Audio Advantage SRM.
[19:31] <bjsnider> mine's working well. could stand to be a bit louder, but otherwise a-ok
[19:31] <DanaG> Also known as "roadie" -- the only difference is the color of the plastic on it.
[19:32] <DanaG> hmm, do you have the linux-alsa-driver-modules thing installed?  I do.
[19:32] <majnoon> did that crimsun still nothing
[19:32] <crimsun> majnoon: what does 'pactl stat' report as the default sink?
[19:32] <bjsnider> DanaG, was that directed at me?
[19:32] <DanaG> bjsnider: yeah
[19:32] <Blue11> DanaG: 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
[19:32] <DanaG> interesting... my mute hotkey only starts working again as a keyboard key after suspend/resume... which also happens to break the alsa->hardware mute setting.
[19:33] <Blue11> cant find the bug report
[19:33] <majnoon> Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_06_01.0.analog-stereo
[19:33] <majnoon> crimsun ^^
[19:33] <bjsnider> DanaG, i believe so
[19:33] <DanaG> Blue11: I've never heard of that chip.
[19:33] <crimsun> Blue11: that's not a pulse issue. That's a hardware and driver issue.
[19:33] <crimsun> I've explicitly stated before that the cs46xx family SUCKS.
[19:33] <bjsnider> never heard of it either
[19:33] <nerdy_kid> my line in doesnt work
[19:33] <Blue11> crimsun: well all I know is it worked great on suse, but horrid on ubuntu
[19:34] <crimsun> Blue11: that doesn't mean anything
[19:34] <crimsun> we don't ship anything near the same software
[19:34] <Blue11> crimsun: nope - just if suse wasn't on the skids, I'd beback there
[19:34] <nerdy_kid> Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)  line in not working....mic does though
[19:35] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: use a newer driver
[19:35] <crimsun> bjsnider: they were fairly common in older audio cards
[19:35] <nerdy_kid> crimsun using lucid (obviously) so im assuming its a newer driver
[19:35] <crimsun> turtle beach families, thinkpads, etc.
[19:35] <bjsnider> old crap
[19:35] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: newer than what?
[19:36] <nerdy_kid> crimsun you said use a newer driver, i said im using lucid so i think i am.....
[19:36] <bjsnider> ricotz, owen says the gnome-shell package this week will begin shipping a new gnome 3 theme which will automatically replace whatever theme the user is currently using
[19:36] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: newer than WHAT?
[19:36] <majnoon> no luck :(
[19:36] <crimsun> majnoon: sheesh, hold a sec
[19:36] <majnoon> this why doing wubi install for now :)
[19:37] <nerdy_kid> crumsun nvm i was quoting you, where would i get an updated driver?
[19:37] <majnoon> still have karmic as main install :)
[19:37] <Blue11> bjsnider: they have managed to break my gconf files several times, I'm over id now
[19:37] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[19:37] <majnoon> brb
[19:37] <nerdy_kid> crimsun thanks :)
[19:37] <bjsnider> Blue-Omega, DanaG and me are both using spiffy usb audio cards that you could use to replace that thing
[19:37] <DanaG> I'd say we need to add a metapackage ( -lucid-generic ) for that alsa-drivers.
[19:38] <DanaG> CM106 is weird with pulseaudio, though.
[19:38] <bjsnider> whoops, i meant that for Blue11
[19:38] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[19:38] <thadoctrey> hello everyone, I have a question about why it is that My user account isn't considered the owner account?
[19:39] <Walzmyn> thadoctrey: what do you mean owner account?
[19:39] <crimsun> DanaG: what's the snapshot date for your l-a-d-m?
[19:39] <crimsun> my usb audio devices work fine with 1.0.23 final, but I obviously won't be able to trigger them without your hw
[19:39] <DanaG> Version: 2.6.32-21.201004160600
[19:40] <ZykoticK9> thadoctrey, what do you mean by "owner account"?  The first user should automatically be added to the "admin" group which allows you to sudo
[19:41] <thadoctrey> well I have sudo abillity but I cannot add, or change anything in the file system, which I used to be able to do does that make sense?
[19:42] <ZykoticK9> thadoctrey, what are you trying to do?
[19:42] <thadoctrey> well just normal stuff like add a file to my files system so that I can use different things, like themes and all,
[19:43] <ricotz> bjsnider, do you know the specific consequences of this introduction
[19:44] <nishant> can someone show their source.list
[19:45] <bjsnider> ricotz, the user will no longer be able to switch themes in appearance-properties, but will have to use gconf. however, owen says he wants people testing gnome 3, not a hybrid of gnome 3 with gnome 2 theming
[19:45] <nishant> there is some issue with my source.list
[19:45] <bjsnider> ricotz, i'm guessing you could be the recipient of some angry emails this week as a result
[19:46] <janmalte> where can i find some material of the ubuntu new brand?
[19:46] <ricotz> bjsnider, ok, thanks for warning me
[19:46] <nerdy_kid> crimsun i do indeed have the latest drivers and the latest alsa
[19:47] <nishant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/416280/ --- > can someone tell me what is wrong with my sources.list
[19:47] <nerdy_kid> crimsun still no line in... i fiddled with alsamixer but simply cant get it to work :(
[19:48] <nerdy_kid> nishant are you getting an error?
[19:48] <thevishy> can someone tel me why my apt-get throws error
[19:48] <yofel> thevishy: the urls are wrong
[19:49] <thevishy> changed to thevishy nerdy_kid now , ip not found errors
[19:49] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: file a bug against alsa-driver, please.
[19:49] <thevishy> wht url shud I give instaed of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:49] <brbrr_> hey.got problem.using unr 10.04. and when i press backspace in dialog window in pidgin or in terminal(backspace and tab) my screen is blinkin
[19:49] <yofel> thevishy: is says 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/' but has to say 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/'
[19:49] <nerdy_kid> crimsun darn...thanks for your help :-|
[19:49] <thevishy> ah ok
[19:49] <majnoon> ok got nvidia to work  \o/
[19:49] <yofel> *it says
[19:49] <majnoon> now need sound :)
[19:50] <crimsun> nerdy_kid: we can't fix your problem without the hw information collected by the bug report (e.g., ubuntu-bug alsa-base)
[19:51] <majnoon>  Item: SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack [Off] <--from alsamixer
[19:51] <thevishy> thanks that resolved the problemn
[19:51] <thevishy> how do I know the video ram in my computer ? and also other usual CPU details
[19:51] <DanaG> bjsnider: is this gnome-shell change documented officially, somewhere?
[19:51] <majnoon> going to try something brb
[19:51] <nerdy_kid> crinsun ok, ill be reporting :)
[19:52] <crimsun> DanaG: I don't see anything obviously wrong in that code path
[19:52] <DanaG> hmm.  It may be that the device is screwed up.
[19:52] <yofel> thevishy: cpu details: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[19:52] <ZykoticK9> thevishy, not sure about the video memory, but to get CPU info "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[19:52] <bjsnider> DanaG, i doubt it, but unless you're building it yourself or using ricotz's ppa you don't have to worry about it
[19:53] <thevishy> nice ok
[19:53] <DanaG> hmm, works fine on my netbook that doesn't have the alsa-driver thing installed.
[19:53] <thevishy> my 1.87 Hz 512 MB ram is slow on HDTV movies ...so wanna know if ubuntu actually recognizes my video ram or is it a CPU problem ( which is unlikely ) CPU seems good enough
[19:54] <majnoon> ok muted the digital thingy
[19:55] <ZykoticK9> thevishy, what sort of video card are you using?  "lspci | grep VGA" if you aren't sure.
[19:55] <thevishy> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03
[19:55] <brbrr_> got problem.using unr 10.04. and when i press backspace in dialog window in pidgin or in terminal(backspace and tab) my screen is blinking.just one black screeen for a sec for one press of button. how can i fix it?
[19:56] <thevishy> this is a 2005 year laptop , i installed lucid and am like doing fine except for some problems like HDTV movies
[19:56] <sburwood> I have a problem with Thunderbird.  I'm using 10.04 beta2
[19:56] <EagleScreen> I always see the message about disks are being check in plymouth splash, but they aren't, any workaround?
[19:56] <thevishy> i want to know the cause - ram cpu video ram or something else
[19:56] <majnoon> crimsun, i redid sound thingy http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9a8a11d64fc926829c1c541aa8dc3035bfedb49f
[19:56] <sburwood> Who wants to field the questions?
[19:57] <guntbert> sburwood: just ask your question  - anyone who can provide an answer will do
[19:57] <sburwood> When I open Thunderbird, I got a message about compiz crashing
[19:57] <sburwood> and it never opens
[19:58] <gregl> sburwood, turn of effects and see if will start..
[19:58] <sburwood> effects?
[19:59] <sburwood> what do you mean? effects?
[19:59] <sburwood> you mean the extra video quality?
[20:00] <nerdy_kid> sburwood run metacity --replace in terminal
[20:01] <majnoon> got all but sound working :(
[20:01] <nerdy_kid> sburwood just dont close the terminal
[20:01] <majnoon> brb to complain after smoke
[20:01] <sburwood> tell me exactly what I need to type for metacity
[20:01] <duffydack> What is chromiums problem and it ignoring my font settings.. they're too small and it ignores what I set...uhh
[20:02] <bazhang> alt f2 metacity --replace
[20:02] <sburwood> nerdy_kid: tell me exactly what to type for metacity
[20:03] <JoshuaL> why does ubuntu download and update ati drivers while i have an nvidia graphics card? Oo
[20:04] <sburwood> cu later
[20:04] <sburwood> bye
[20:06] <ibkanat> I am looking for a way to slow my mouse down.... the Prefrences doesnt due enough.... Is this a bug worked fine before
[20:06] <ibkanat> I need it to be accurate for 3d modeling
[20:07] <ibkanat> I used xset m 1/4 in the past but that doesnt seem to help any more
[20:08] <majnoon> aanyone sblive cards ??
[20:09] <ibkanat> the mouse is a Microsoft wireless optical Mouse 2
[20:09] <penguin42> ibkanat: You could try openinng gconf-editor and fiddling with the setting in there, it might let you go finer than the ui
[20:09] <ibkanat> thanks penguin42 finally someone gave n answer
[20:09] <penguin42> ibkanat: I was suggesting /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse but all the acceleration and threshold in there are -1 so it must be set somewhere else?
[20:10] <ibkanat> this the about 4th time on this channel with the ?
[20:10] <penguin42> ibkanat: Well I don't know if it will work!
[20:11] <ibkanat> at least a try for an answer is great
[20:12] <ibkanat> hmm doesnt work... was the moluse handeled with hal before?
[20:13] <ibkanat> is it handeled with udev now?
[20:13] <penguin42> ibkanat: Maybe, but I would have thought the acceleration was X based
[20:13] <ibkanat> yeah hmmm surprised that I havent read about others having this problem
[20:14] <nascent> Can someone please help me? Ubuntu is reporting it is out of space on /home, but it shouldn't be. du shows all space used in the end result, but none of the subtotals for the subdirectories come close to it's final result.
[20:15] <majnoon> crimsun, you asleep ??
[20:15] <majnoon> in pavcontrol says dummy output
[20:16] <ViaNocturna85> anybody know why i cant connect the memenu to facebook?
[20:16] <majnoon> *pavucontrol
[20:16] <penguin42> ibkanat: I'm guessing most of us don't have too precise mouse requirements, as long as it's about the right speed
[20:17] <HawkMan_> Anyone got an idea how to get ubuntu to recognize the ALPs touchpad on my Copmpaq mini 311 as an actual touchpad ?
[20:18] <brbrr_> got problem.using unr 10.04. and when i press backspace in dialog window in pidgin or in terminal(backspace and tab) my screen is blinkin
[20:19] <ViaNocturna85> when i use the memenu i can connect to twitter etc, but when i try and connect to facebook, i have to log in to the miniscreen, that goes successfully and then i click 'add' but it doesnt add it to the list...anyone any ideas why?
[20:25] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, did it allow gwibber access with fb?
[20:26] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: it came up with a little screen on the right asking to be accessed, i logged into it and then it dissappeared and said success...then it didnt appear in my list so i clicked add underneath it, which did nothing
[20:28] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85,  it should also ask to give permissions to gwibber to access fb content...
[20:28] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, look in your fb application settings see if gwibber is there
[20:29] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: no its not
[20:30] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, when you put in your login in that window, it should then ask to give gwibber permission
[20:31] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, scroll to the bottom and click Allow Publishing
[20:31] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, remove the account and retry it.
[20:31] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, actually you have to allow a few different tihngs for gwibber, just click allow
[20:31] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: trying again now
[20:33] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: it only asks me to login at first, i then get a button saying authorize next to that it says Authorize with facebook, Facebook authorised
[20:34] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, no not that
[20:34] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: i then click on 'Authorize' then get 2 screens 1 under the other, the bottom then disappears and leaves only the top one with the word 'Success' in it
[20:35] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, lets go through it again from the start..
[20:35] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: ok
[20:35] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, remove the account
[20:36] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: there is no account
[20:36] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: except for flickr and twitter
[20:36] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85,  add new account for fb
[20:36] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, click Add
[20:36] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, then Authorize
[20:37] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, login details and click connect
[20:37] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85,  then it should be gwibber allow access
[20:37] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85,  scroll down for the button to click
[20:38] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, see it ?
[20:38] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: no gwibber allow access
[20:40] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, http://imagebin.org/93422
[20:41] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: how weird, that doesnt come up at all
[20:41] <penguin42> do others have problems with a lot of the slides on here being mostly in Greek ? (I think it's sticking in Greek) http://lhc-commissioning.web.cern.ch/lhc-commissioning/news-2010/presentations/week15/2010.04.16-summary%20830.pptx
[20:42] <blacksunseven> having trouble Giving SFTP users read access to some other directory (more info about my problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9133075&postcount=10)
[20:42] <blacksunseven> on a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 b2
[20:45] <duffydack> ViaNocturna85, maybe check your fb settings?
[20:45] <sburwood> I'm back.  "metacity replace" hasn't finished, but I see a message "Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window ... "
[20:46] <sburwood> If I read correctly, Thunderbird updates have a bug or more.  Is that correct?
[20:46] <maco> sburwood: all software has bugs
[20:47] <ViaNocturna85> duffydack: its listed under applications in facebook with having full access but im guessing its meant to appear in the gwibber list too right?
[20:47] <sburwood> maco, I mean in the topic of this channel, it talks of "Thunderbird broken in updates"
[20:48] <maco> sburwood: go to that bug report and see what it is?
[20:48] <maco> bug 563893
[20:53] <ojii> i can't get lucid to start x (all i get is shell), can anyone here help me get gnome running?
[20:53] <thevishy> how did u install ? ojii
[20:53] <ojii> thevishy, i installed beta 2 from live cd
[20:53] <thevishy> have u had x running at any point
[20:53] <thevishy> ok , i would suggest do a sudo apt-get install dnome-desktop
[20:53] <ojii> thevishy, i did `sudo start gmd` and it told me it's running but i'm still in shell
[20:54] <thevishy> ok , i would suggest do a sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[20:54] <ojii> thevishy, i'm not sure my wireless is running (how would i know from command line?)
[20:54] <thevishy> ping to some IP
[20:54] <ojii> yea not internet
[20:55] <ojii> is there an easy way to share my connection i have on this machine (karmic) via a cable to my lucid notebook?
[20:55] <thevishy> if u have a router u can do it
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> firestarter helps you do that easily.
[20:55] <ojii> isn't firestarter a firewall app?
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> it is.
[20:56] <thevishy> dmesg  | grep -i wireless
[20:56] <thevishy> check if that displays anything
[20:56] <ojii> i can't find the '|' on this keyboard...
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php
[20:56] <thevishy> ohh paste it then
[20:56] <ojii> thevishy, how?
[20:57] <ojii> oh you mean i should run this on *this* machine?
[20:57] <thevishy> | is like two vertical lines
[20:57] <ojii> (not the lucid one)
[20:57] <thevishy> no lucid is what i meant
[20:57] <thevishy> check on ur laptop , give ifconfig command
[20:59] <thevishy> how do u have a wireless , u must be having a router nah
[21:00] <ojii> i have a router
[21:00] <ojii> but it's a macbook pro, i don't think the wireless works out of the box
[21:00] <thevishy> it doesnt i suppose too ... if u connect a network cable from ur MACbook to router , u shud have a net connection working
[21:01] <thevishy> what happened to the MAC OS just curious
[21:01] <MTughan> ojii: Right-click on the Network Manager icon in the notification area, see if there's an item that says "Enable Wireless".
[21:01] <ojii> MTughan, i have no gnome running for some reason
[21:01] <ojii> that's why i want the internet
[21:01] <MTughan> Oh.
[21:01] <ojii> to get the nvidia drivers
[21:01] <ojii> i'll try moving nearer to my router so i can connect the cable
[21:02] <bjsnider> the crackbook's atheros wifi chip should work out of hte box
[21:02] <thevishy> nvidia driver cant be the problem I think , but do a sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop to ensure that the complete desktop package is installed
[21:02] <MTughan> ojii: What interfaces does "ifconfig -a" give?
[21:03] <thevishy> if u see a 192 series IP then u are most likely connected
[21:03] <MTughan> Or a 10 series.
[21:04] <MTughan> thevishy: And you can have a 192.x.x.x IP on the internet. It's just 192.168.x.x that's reserved for private use.
[21:04] <thevishy> right , thats correct
[21:04] <ojii> ifconfig -a gives me 'eth0' and 'lo'
[21:04] <ojii> connected to my router now with cable
[21:04] <ojii> still can't ping google
[21:05] <MTughan> ojii: Then wireless definitely isn't recognized.
[21:05] <thevishy> pastebin ur ifconfig output
[21:05] <thevishy> !pastebin
[21:05] <ojii> thevishy, I can't pastebin from a notebook with no connection can i?$
[21:06] <MTughan> ojii: I don't remember if Ubuntu discourages this or not (I'm not using Ubuntu right now), but try "sudo ifup eth0"
[21:06] <thevishy> right ... can u just tell the inet address
[21:06] <ojii> MTughan, gives me 'ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0'
[21:07] <ojii> pinging my router doesn't work either (assuming it's the default <IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:07] <ojii> but router shows green light on that line
[21:07] <thevishy> is the network cable blinking ?
[21:08] <ojii> on the mbp no
[21:08] <MTughan> MBPs don't have lights for the network ports.
[21:08] <ojii> but that could be because steve doesn't want his notebooks to blink
[21:09] <paul__> ojii: out of interest, is there anything logged as to why X isn't starting in the xorg.log files? /me is having similar problem
[21:10] <ojii> well i guess the missing drivers (had to start with xforcevesa) is the reason i can't get a GUI
[21:10] <ojii> where would i find the xorg.log and what would i be looking for?
[21:10] <paul__> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:10] <ojii> long log...
[21:11] <paul__> only reason I asked is i've got my log file ending with a segfault atm
[21:11] <ojii> ddxSigGiveUp
[21:13] <ojii> if i install the nvidia drivers and wireless drivers on the 'try ubuntu..' desktop from live cd, will that be ported over once install it?
[21:16] <ZykoticK9> ojii, the LiveCD is separate from installed version - so no they won't move with installation
[21:16] <ojii> dammit
[21:17] <bjsnider> the atheros driver is already in the kernel
[21:17] <DanaG> weird... if I drive line audio INTO the front channel of my CM106 card... it comes out the other channels, though quietly.
[21:19] <penguin42> DanaG: I think a lot of chips are pretty configurable about whether they are input or output, also if you're doing it's probably not making the output amps particularly happy
[21:19] <DanaG> yeah, I figured such.
[21:19] <DanaG> Anyway, I did that accentally... unplugged and moved the wrong end of a cable.
[21:19] <ojii> when i start booting i drop into a "recovery menu"
[21:20] <ojii> how bad is that?
[21:21] <Mian> joaopinto, still here?
[21:22] <Mian> nokia3510, are you here?
[21:25] <tetsuo00> hello, im trying to downgrade my install of wine but synaptic manager doesnt allow me to select "force version"
[21:26] <ojii> great now my boot stops at irq 18 again
[21:29] <ojii> just gonna try to get karmic to work i guess
[21:29] <adalal> hey, ii keep getting this error debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:29] <adalal> , any help?
[21:30] <abeld> Hi! I am trying to install lucid from the beta2 installer, and I get a freeze when booting the installer. Any hints how to debug this?
[21:31] <red> Heya! I was asking how to keep my home dir private earlier today, when there are multiple users SSHing into the machine
[21:31] <Mian> booting kernel 2.6.28 makes gdm hangs on lucid, any help?
[21:31] <red> I was given this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[21:31] <red> but not really sure how to set it up
[21:31] <red> is that the easiest way to restrict user b from reading user a:s home dir?
[21:32] <CT1> Hi all.  Is there a way to copy all the packages I've installed to another computer without selecting them one-by one in synaptic?
[21:32] <abeld> I get a Glib-warning to the console ("getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id") and several lines saying "stdin: error 0"
[21:32] <ZykoticK9> !clone > CT1
[21:32] <ZykoticK9> CT1 you can also copy the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to the new system
[21:33] <CT1> ZykoticK9: Thankyou very much.
[21:33] <abeld> red: simply to limit user a's homedir so that only user a can see it? Simply set the permissions.
[21:34] <tetsuo00> does anyone know how i can downgrade the version of wine that i have installed right now?
[21:34] <joaopinto> Mian, yes
[21:34] <CT1> !automate
[21:34] <CT1> !cloning
[21:35] <yofel> CT1: if you just need a list of installed packages that you can give apt, use: dpkg --get-selections | awk '!/deinstall|purge|hold/ {print $1}'
[21:35] <abeld> So, guys, is this the channel to ask about lucid installer freezes?
[21:35] <ZykoticK9> abeld, this would be the place, yes
[21:36] <CT1> yofel: Thanks for the info.  I need to install them on another machine.  I've enough googling material now.  Thankyou
[21:36] <Mian> joaopinto, now without plymouth, kernel 2.6.28 boots but gnome hangs immediately after showing the login scren and I can only hard-reset
[21:37] <joaopinto> Mian, that is likely to be related to the graphics driver
[21:37] <joaopinto> Mian, what was the bug nr ?
[21:37] <abeld> any suggestions what to do if the installer freezes for me? If I press f6 after the "pulsing dots" screen comes up, I get  Glib-warning to the console ("getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id") and several lines saying "stdin: error 0" and the installer freezes when it switches back to a graphical display
[21:37] <Mian> joaopinto, but my graphics driver was working fine before
[21:37] <joaopinto> Mian, you mean before lucid right ?
[21:38] <Mian> joaopinto, yes
[21:38] <Mian> joaopinto, livecd works fine
[21:39] <joaopinto> Mian, the livecd uses a specific kernel whih I am not sure is the same you have installed
[21:39] <abeld> ZykoticK9, any ideas how to get a more verbose error message or something I can use for figuring out what part goes wrong?
[21:39] <joaopinto> and it doesn't use plymouth (I think)
[21:41] <ZykoticK9> abeld, if you can edit Grub on the LiveCD you could try removing "quiet splash" to get text booting?
[21:41] <abeld> Ok, I'll try that (running memtest now)
[21:42] <Mian> joaopinto, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/565109
[21:42] <abeld>  but does that "quiet splash" only apply to the kernel booting, and not to the installer? the "pulsing dots" screen is already from the installer, isn't it?
[21:43] <ZykoticK9> abeld, quiet splash will remove Plymouth graphics -- the dots, so you'll see what is happening underneath
[21:43] <abeld> ah, ok, so that's what I am looking for
[21:44] <tetsuo00> ikonia:  contrary to your believe, the downgrade process of a packadge is unrelated to the ubuntu version one is using ;9
[21:44] <tetsuo00> :(
[21:44] <ikonia> I fully understand that
[21:45] <tetsuo00> in windows i could just uninstall the current one and install the older one
[21:45] <ikonia> you're not using windows, so that's not relevant
[21:45] <tetsuo00> on windows it also wouldnt matter what version i was using
[21:45] <ikonia> again - not relevent
[21:46] <red> i try to add an user from users & groups
[21:46] <red> it prompts me for a pass, I set it
[21:46] <red> then when I close the application and reopen it, it states that the account I just created is disabled
[21:46] <red> I click enable and it asks me to set a password again
[21:46] <joaopinto> Mian, please update the bug with the "removed plymouth, boots with kernel x.y"
[21:46] <red> and then its disabled again after I close the app
[21:46] <red> wtf?
[21:46] <ikonia> red: please control your language
[21:46] <red> frack :)
[21:49] <red> can't seem to be able to set a passwd via commandline either for the new creater
[21:49] <red> just tells me "passwd: password unchanged"
[21:50] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[21:51] <joaopinto> Mian, new tipo
[21:51] <joaopinto> new tipo
[21:51] <joaopinto> Mian, try to boot with the regular kernel, add the option "nomodeset" to the linux line
[21:51] <Mian> joaopinto, tried this before :(
[21:52] <red> hmmh
[21:52] <red> this is quite odd
[21:52] <ZykoticK9> mauri, according to http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON that's an unsupported scanner
[21:53] <tormod> Mian, how far do you get without quiet,splash
[21:53] <mauri> ZykoticK9: i know.....it is why i m asking fot a help
[21:53] <joaopinto> Mian, what happened that time ?
[21:53] <Mian> joaopinto, no difference
[21:53] <Mian> tormod, it stop after booting hard drives
[21:54] <ZykoticK9> mauri, perhaps you don't understand "unsupported" basically means that "it won't work"
[21:54] <cwillu> my indicator-session applet doesn't show my user name or the im status stuff;  works fine in a new user account, and the indicator applet seems to be working fine
[21:54] <Mian> tormod, when I removed plymouth, it gives repeteadly a message saying skipping mounting /proc/bus/usb because plymouth isn't available and then stops without a prompt
[21:54] <mauri> ZykoticK9: i understand...  but i hpe that a solution could exist
[21:55] <un214> somebody broke freedesktop sound agian
[21:55] <crimsun> more specifically...?
[21:55] <Mian> tormod, wihtout plymouth, kernel 2.6.28 boots in recovery but gnome completely hangs
[21:55] <un214> no standard program can play sound (I've tried lots) but cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio plays static
[21:56] <crimsun> un214: fresh install or upgrade?
[21:56] <un214> upgrade
[21:56] <crimsun> un214: also, reproducible with a new user?
[21:56] <un214> haven't tried yet
[21:56] <crimsun> un214: please reproduce it
[21:56] <joaopinto> Mian, your regular hang, is after the mounted drivers, do you ever see the splash screen ?
[21:57] <Mian> joaopinto, no
[21:57] <crimsun> it's probably gconf's fault, which causes module-udev-detect to race with module-default-device-restore, which causes the init phase to take longer than normal, which causes the "always" /null/dummy sink to be loaded, which means apps appear to not play sound
[21:57] <joaopinto> Mian, does it hang with the text on the screen, or does it change to something ?
[21:57] <un214> is there a way to bypass it? it won't let several apps play sound at once even though alsa can handle it.
[21:57] <crimsun> which is bug 557421
[21:58] <red> heres what happends when I try to add a new user: http://pastebin.com/Kkj36Qyp
[21:58] <Mian> joaopinto, no
[21:58] <Mian> joaopinto, it mounts hard drives and just do nothing after
[21:58] <guntbert> red: tried it here just now - worked as expected
[21:59] <red> guntbert: it worked as expected for me couple of weeks back
[21:59] <Mian> joaopinto, when booting with init=/sbin/sulogin then mount -a, it completes mount successfully and return to active prompt
[21:59] <guntbert> red: ah you didn't tell us that you wanted to do it from command line
[21:59] <red> all I've done since is a few aptitude updates and chmod 750 on my home dir :l
[21:59] <red> guntbert: well it didn't work from the users & groups menu either
[21:59] <joaopinto> Mian, but regurlaly it just hangs on text mode with the mounted message, right ?
[21:59] <red> could add a user but it is stuck on disabled status
[21:59] <joaopinto> I mean, boot normally
[22:00] <joaopinto> booting
[22:00] <red> enabling it prompts for password, but it won't "stick"
[22:00] <crimsun> un214: I don't have enough info from your description above; try http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:00] <Mian> joaopinto, when normally booting, it shows, the first two lines that are "booting from .............." and "starting up..." and stops
[22:00] <red> guess I'll try upgrading my system again and wish it works
[22:00] <tormod> joaopinto, debugging startup with upstart is a pain. there is some docs here though: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken
[22:01] <cwillu> red, what's the permissions on /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd?
[22:01] <red> been using this since alpha 3 so theres bound to be some problems
[22:01] <joaopinto> tormod, we have been there already, didn't help that much :)
[22:01] <Mian> tormod, I tried this and nothing different
[22:01] <red> -rw-r----- 1 root    shadow   1606 2010-04-17 23:57 shadow
[22:01] <red> -rw-r--r-- 1 root    root     2159 2010-04-17 23:57 passwd
[22:01] <tormod> which "start" made it hosed?
[22:01] <red> i can set my own password fine
[22:01] <crimsun> un214: I'll be back in ~25 minutes
[22:01] <red> oh
[22:01] <un214> ok should be able to pastebin it by then
[22:01] <red> i take that back
[22:01] <red> actually that doesn't work either mmh
[22:02] <cwillu> red, does sudo -i larryman work?
[22:02] <cwillu> er, sudo -i passwd larryman
[22:02] <joaopinto> tormod, those instructiosn don't allow step by step start
[22:02] <joaopinto> tormod, invoking upstart will hang
[22:02] <red> System error -> password unchanged
[22:03] <cwillu> red, check your pm's
[22:03] <Vhozard> Can someone help me out with the minimize-restore delay?
[22:04] <tormod> joaopinto, right but at least he will have a shell, not?
[22:05] <Mian> tormod, I can have shell by booting kernel 2.6.28 in recovery mode
[22:05] <tormod> Mian, ok, I was thinking having a shell at the point where the rest is hanging
[22:05] <joaopinto> tormod, the shell does not help because you need upstart
[22:05] <joaopinto> tormod, and when you ruin upstart it statrts all the services
[22:06] <tormod> Mian, do you have openssh-server installed so you can ssh in from another computer?
[22:06] <guntbert> red: quick test: type sudo -i,  then id (should give root, root, root), then ctrl+d to leave that shell
[22:06] <Mian> tormod, yes
[22:07] <cwillu> guntbert, red's applying updates just in case that fixes something
[22:07] <tormod> joaopinto, oh yes, I see
[22:07] <joaopinto> Mian, can you reenable plymouth, and check the output booting without the "quiet" option ?
[22:07] <NinoScript> Question: If I want a partition only for documents/movies/music, but I want NO settings stored there, what should I mount it to? is /home/username/Desktop a bad option?
[22:08] <guntbert> cwillu: he said so - but he stills seems to be online :)
[22:08] <Vhozard> I mean, does anyone have a xserver-no-backfill for Lucid?
[22:08] <Mian> joaopinto, boot with which kernel?
[22:08] <slangasek> Mian: the new one
[22:08] <cwillu> guntbert, I'm also distracting him in private chat :p
[22:08] <slangasek> (the broken one)
[22:08] <Mian> slangasek, ok, will do and tell you
[22:09] <guntbert> cwillu: ok - I'm fine :-)
[22:09] <joaopinto> Mian, 1) re-enable plymouth so we can get a "regular" system again
[22:09] <joaopinto> Mian, 2) boot the newest kernel, but remove the "quiet" option
[22:10] <tormod> joaopinto, I would suggest trying netconsole
[22:10] <red> guntbert: yes root has root priviledges
[22:10] <red> all the other things work fine with sudo/gksudo
[22:12] <red> update will take a moment, it's snatching openoffice and eclipse too :)
[22:12] <red> 8min on 700KB/s plus configuring
[22:12] <red> so brb
[22:13] <joaopinto> Mian, just let me know the last text which you get with "quiet"
[22:13] <joaopinto> ops, without it i mean
[22:13] <guntbert> red: when you type sudo passwd thatuser, does the system then prompt you "Enter new UNIX password:" ?
[22:13] <joaopinto> Mian, next, boot with the sulogin option, regular boot, and try "exec /sbin/init --verbose"
[22:14] <red> guntbert: no
[22:14] <timboy_> how do I restore battery icon in panel? after upgrade it's gone
[22:14] <red> just
[22:14] <red> passwd: System error
[22:14] <red> passwd: password unchanged
[22:15] <Mian> joaopinto, last line I see is "[    8.672448] EXT-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode"
[22:15] <guntbert> red: then there could be an issue with your pam system - the system could for instance try to change the password via ldap ... (wild guess :-))
[22:15] <red> hmm
[22:16] <joaopinto> Mian, add that to the bug report
[22:16] <joaopinto> Mian, now text init --verbose :)
[22:17] <Mian> joaopinto, booting with /sbin/sulogin then exec/sbin/init --verbose same last line except the number at start of line
[22:18] <MrSunshine> gah why is graphics performance in linux so much less good then in windows? :(
[22:19] <joaopinto> MrSunshine, because your graphic card manufacturer does not care about it :P ?
[22:19] <MrSunshine> but its so much worse that it shouldnt be posible
[22:20] <red> email ati/nvidia
[22:20] <MrSunshine> hell i had to turn ALL graphics down to a minimum in heroes of newerth in linux while i can have everything at maximum in windows :/
[22:20] <MrSunshine> on same computer
[22:20] <joaopinto> Mian, the livecd which boots fine is a lucid one right ?
[22:21] <red> MrSunshine: is it a directx game?
[22:21] <almoxarife> chromium seems to crash when 'sync' is checked and it can not get thru the firewall, yet it does not mention a need to open certain ports, anyone else having problems with chromium with the sync option? btw, it's a tcp connect not a udp
[22:21] <red> opengl games usually run better than in windows
[22:21] <Mian> joaopinto, yes, and to be more exact, I created a bootable usb flash from the iso image and it boots
[22:21] <bjsnider> MrSunshine, performance is 1:1 in the intel/nvidia situation, but ati is a disaster
[22:22] <MrSunshine> aparently :/
[22:22] <Mian> joaopinto, but it fails to make a new installation and I reported this using appot as it automatically detected a crash
[22:22] <MrSunshine> Mian, any luck with shift trick ? :)
[22:22] <slangasek> joaopinto: I'm over here too now, btw ;)
[22:22] <Mian> MrSunshine, no :(
[22:22] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, bookmark sync is working fine here - but not running a firewall on the box in question
[22:22] <MrSunshine> aw :/
[22:22] <MrSunshine> works well for me
[22:22] <joaopinto> slangasek, ops :P
[22:22] <MrSunshine> if i dont hold shift it just blanks out
[22:22] <MrSunshine> if i hold it it boots almost every time :P
[22:23] <joaopinto> Mian, hum, "fails to make a new installation" is something new...
[22:23] <Mian> guys, I must go now as I am traveling and my train is in less than an hour, I'll be back at about 10 hours
[22:24] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: I stopped syncing and no more crashes, I can't see what else would have caused it because it runs fine now
[22:25] <joaopinto> Mian, ok, good trip, see you tomorrow :P
[22:26] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:26] <almoxarife> cat really call it a crash, it's a task that does not close upon exit, chomium-browser with a 350meg overhead stays around afterwards
[22:27] <bjsnider> mauri, you need a new scanner
[22:27] <bjsnider> it won't work
[22:27] <mauri> bjsnider: it is a new scanner
[22:27] <ojii> when i try to boo lucid almost all the time i get a line with 'irq 18' in it and it stops booting, anyone got an idea what's going on there?
[22:28] <robin0800> mauri: or use it with windows
[22:28] <CT1> Hi.  Is there a package(s) that enable an equalizer for sound? either system-wide or from pulse volume control >playback/output devices?  Any help to get me started on what to google is appreciated.
[22:28] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, you might want to test with chromium-daily PPA and just see if that version is also affected - if the PPA version works, you should remove PPA version and report a bug against the Ubuntu repo chromium (sorry if this is a repeat, was disconnected)
[22:29] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: I do use daily from ppa
[22:29] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, ahh well perhaps you should do the opposite then, remove PPA version and try Ubuntu repo version
[22:29] <bjsnider> mauri, correction: you need a new scanner that's actually supported by linux, which is presumably your operating system of choice
[22:30] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: then I would miss all the new stuff and have nothing to complain about :)
[22:30] <mauri> bjsnider: ive just bught it
[22:30] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, well ok then ;)
[22:30] <mauri> bjsnider: ok tnk
[22:30] <tetsuo00> ikonia > judging from google ubuntu does not offer a solution here, but wine has a dedicated page for solving this problem ; http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/
[22:30] <ikonia> ok
[22:31] <tetsuo00> if i lock to that version my problem is solved
[22:32] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: my biggest issue is this , google is calling me, I am not paranoid, but it does not even bring up the fact that I would need to open ports, I find that ood,
[22:32] <abeld> ZykoticK9, thanks again, removing "quiet splash" appears to made it work, the installer booted and now I am installing
[22:32] <ZykoticK9> abeld, glad it's working
[22:33] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, i certainly wasn't aware of the port/firewall thing until you brought it up -- figured bookmark sync would just use port 80 to connect to the google server
[22:33] <almoxarife> I have found that removing 'quiet splash' cures a lot of ills, and I get to see where errors occur
[22:33] <Vhozard> Anyone knows about a xserver-no-backfill for Lucid??
[22:34] <MrSunshine> but the tide must be turning towards linux now with ubuntu etc, finaly a easy to use distro that works great =)
[22:34] <MrSunshine> atleast hopefully it will get more people and more attention from companies
[22:35] <Vhozard> For the minimize - restore delay on ATI cards...
[22:35] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: I didn't either till I was introduced to the <IP_ADDRESS>/23 calling home
[22:35] <guntbert> MrSunshine: this channel is not as busy as the main channel - but please keep to the topic anyway - off topic chatter goes to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:36] <MrSunshine> oh well =)
[22:36] <almoxarife> that's just one of them
[22:36] <un214> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=1e0d76fbd7a0770a4bec26b8047fa099b4a0a6c2
[22:39] <un214> sound worked just fine for brand new user
[22:43] <un214> that's really funny this time when I log in it decided to behave
[22:43] <CT1> Could someone please direct me to where I should start searching for a way to get equalize sound (cut off certain frequencies, like kill switches, or a full blown equalizer) either for all sounds or per application.
[22:44] <almoxarife> CT1: I use VLC, I am not sure the equalizer is that complicated for your purposes, but you might give it a looksee
[22:45] <duffydack> CT1,  tried pulseaudio-equalizer?
[22:46] <duffydack> CT1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1308838
[22:46] <CT1> almoxarife: vlc is great. I want the equalizer for flash videos mostly though
[22:46] <CT1> duffydack: Thanks. I'll check it out!
[22:46] <duffydack> CT1, its a system wide EQ
[22:46] <CT1> duffydack: Perfect!
[22:46] <almoxarife> CT1: vlc works with flash video
[22:46] <duffydack> CT1,  I like it :)
[22:47] <CT1> duffydack: Thanks again.  I'll get on researching.
[22:47] <duffydack> I used to have to use xmms and winamp eq`s to get decent sound... now I got it whatever I use
[22:47] <almoxarife> duffydack: what's the command for pulse-equalizer?
[22:47] <CT1> almoxarife: Thanks.  I'll read up on how to play megavideo with vlc.
[22:47] <duffydack> my JBL premium sound in my laptop now sounds decent...  something linux still has to find out about.
[22:48] <duffydack> almoxarife, basically add the ppa from https://launchpad.net/~psyke83/+archive/ppa
[22:48] <duffydack> almoxarife, and install pulseaudio-equalizer
[22:49] <almoxarife> duffydack: thnks
[22:49] <ninjai__> does anyone know if there is a good guide for wep cracking in 10.04?
[23:06] <hyper_ch> did the default font change in Lucid / KDE?
[23:06] <Vhozard> Cmon, no-one has a ATI card here?!
[23:07] <hyper_ch> nopr
[23:07] <hyper_ch> s/r/e
[23:07] <Vhozard> guess not...
[23:08] <melkor> Vhozard: I do
[23:08] <Vhozard> You use compiz too?
[23:08] <melkor> Vhozard: also there are channels specific to ati drivers
[23:08] <CT1> duffydack: Great.  it's *exactly* what I was after! :)
[23:08] <melkor> Vhozard: I didn't see any questions you asked, but I have some compize enabled
[23:09] <Vhozard> you notice the minimize - restore delay too>
[23:09] <melkor> Does anybody here know how to install the 2.6.34-rc4 kernel on the kernel ppa It only has 2 files which aren't enough it says I missing something.
[23:10] <melkor> Vhozard: how long is the delay?
[23:10] <Vhozard> about 1 second
[23:10] <Vhozard> its a common problem
[23:10] <melkor> Vhozard: I dont' have that
[23:10] <melkor> Vhozard: when I had jaunty I had to install a specific version of x-org to remove that problem.
[23:10] <Vhozard> I know
[23:10] <Vhozard> no backfill
[23:11] <Vhozard> but I couldnt find any for Lucid
[23:11] <melkor> Vhozard: but now I do not have that problem, I didn't when I first installed lucid
[23:11] <Vhozard> thats because you dont have the fglrx driver yet (?)
[23:11] <melkor> Vhozard: I am not using the fglrx drivers.
[23:12] <Vhozard> ok
[23:12] <Vhozard> But I am
[23:12] <melkor> Vhozard: if you need help with fglrx drivers you can try #ati
[23:12] <Vhozard> I only want to know howto get an xserver with no-backfill on Lucid
[23:13] <melkor> Vhozard: check #ati, I'm sure there are people in there that are more familiar with your problem
[23:13] <Vhozard> ill do that
[23:13] <Vhozard> ty
[23:20] <melkor> Vhozard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434064&page=19     they seem to suggest here it works fine.
[23:20] <melkor> you just need to reinstall it.
[23:21] <Vhozard> ill try that! ty
[23:38] <Vhozard> ehh...
[23:38] <Vhozard> It didnt work
[23:39] <Vhozard> Ive still got the delay
[23:40] <Vhozard> Im pretty sure now I just need an xserver build with no-backfill
[23:41] <red> hmmh
[23:41] <red> my home folder is chmodded to 750
[23:42] <red> under my home folder is subdir/subdir2
[23:42] <red> i want to make a symlink to subdir2 for another user
[23:42] <red> but can't seem to be able to get the permissions correctly so he could access it
[23:55] <CarlFK> what is the ppa or something that has debug info so I can debug 0xb5ad6a6d in ?? () from /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52; No symbol table info available.
[23:59] <bjsnider> CarlFK, what package did that file come from?
[23:59] <bjsnider> because that is not where libavformat is installed in ubuntu
[23:59] <Ken8521> red, that seems like it would be a security risk... depending on what you keep in home.
[23:59] <CarlFK> bjsnider: guessing it came with melt, which I installed from a PPA


[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:53] <willcooke> o/
[06:53] <seb128> hey willcooke
[06:55] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> OHO
[08:07] <didrocks> santa claus!
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:07] <seb128> oh, he got presents for us?!
[08:07]  * didrocks hopes so
[08:08] <Laney> coal for didrocks
[08:08]  * Laney switch back to upstart last night ;-)
[08:08] <didrocks> but I've been so kind!
[08:08] <didrocks> life is unfair
[08:28] <larsu> morning!
[08:40] <seb128> hey larsu
[09:10] <willcooke> is anyone using plain X chat 2.8.8?
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke, no, xchat-gnome here
[09:11] <seb128> why?
[09:11] <willcooke> There's a really weird thing going on with the topic field
[09:11] <willcooke> If I drag a window over the top of it
[09:11] <willcooke> I can see through the window's title bar and read the text underneath
[09:12] <willcooke> but only on the topic field
[09:12] <willcooke> ?!?!?!
[09:12] <willcooke> oh, and the channel list
[09:12] <willcooke> doesn't matter, just strange is all
[09:13] <seb128> weird indeed
[09:13] <willcooke> errr
[09:13] <willcooke> it gets more strange...
[09:13] <willcooke> it only happens on my laptop screen, not on my external monitor
[09:13] <larsu> use xchat-gnome? :P
[09:13] <willcooke> :)
[09:13] <davmor2> use irssi
[09:14] <larsu> weechat!
[09:15] <willcooke> You guys and your crackpot IRC clients
[09:15] <davmor2> smuxi
[09:15] <davmor2> willcooke: I'm using xchat
[09:15] <davmor2> I just don't have multimonitors
[09:15] <willcooke> ba
[09:16] <Laney> ba black sheep
[09:16] <davmor2> have you any wool
[09:16] <Laney> lots actually
[09:18] <darkxst> willcooke, nope, fine here, but GNOME, so different compositor
[09:20] <willcooke> thx darkxst, I'll show bregma next week if I can reproduce it
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: what are you testing xchat on?  If it is unity 7 on vivid then I might be able to get an hdmi lead and chuck it into this monitor from my laptop
[09:22] <willcooke> davmor2, don't worry about it - it's not worth spending time on
[10:02]  * Laney has added some topics to 'Agenda' on the sprint spreadsheet
[10:07] <willcooke> thx Laney
[10:20] <Laney> I wonder if I have one of those apple vga dongle thingies
[10:20] <Laney> would be useful to project ting
[10:28] <Laney> actually found one, still in its packet
[10:51]  * willcooke -> haircut
[10:52] <darkxst> Laney, if you need apples, have a big tree of them ;)
[10:53] <darkxst> well atleast the ones that are left after the european wasp invasion
[10:54] <Laney> those mean wasps
[10:55] <darkxst> yeh! I was quite surpised they can eat an entire apple (Except the skin) in 1 day
[10:56] <darkxst> multi-threaded of course as well, so many apples per day
[11:21]  * willcooke <- haircut
[11:23] <davmor2> willcooke and a haircut doesn't sound right......No I'm sure it's Shave and a Haircut 2 bits :D
[11:23] <willcooke> Nooooooo
[11:23]  * didrocks will be in no haircut mode for once
[11:23] <didrocks> brace yourself!
[11:25] <davmor2> didrocks: if your hair isn't cut surely the hair will brace people against the wall and they won't need to brace themselves ;)
[11:25] <willcooke> http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article5199891.ece/alternates/w620/Old%20English%20Sheepdog%20.jpeg
[11:25] <didrocks> davmor2: ahah
[11:26] <didrocks> willcooke: I should have bet as I was 90% sure it was this kind of dog before opening the image…
[11:26] <willcooke> :D:D
[11:26] <willcooke> excellent
[11:26] <didrocks> it's not *that* bad
[12:46] <davmor2> hey desktop guys there seems to be some real issue in oem mode on desktop.  There is no prepare for end user script that I can find, after cd eject enter key does nothing, there is no sound in the ubiquity installer part, there is no listing for my AP in nm but it was discovered no issues in the installer, volume is on in desktop for oem
[12:46] <davmor2> the list goes on
[12:51] <didrocks> davmor2: are you sure most of them are specific to oem mode?
[12:51] <didrocks> davmor2: the cd eject enter key is something that cyphermox was looking at (related to systemd)
[12:52] <davmor2> didrocks: the missing prepare for end user is definitely oem
[12:52] <didrocks> I guess the ubiquity/nm issues should be directed to the foundation team
[12:52] <didrocks> only the user prepare one seems oemish
[12:53] <didrocks> (and that's foundation team as well)
[12:53] <davmor2> didrocks: I don't want to restart till I get some feedback for logs and stuff though  I'm assuming most of the issues priory to oem desktop are general issues
[12:53] <didrocks> davmor2: basically all installer issues is for cyphermox (lucky him) :p
[12:53] <davmor2> didrocks: I know right :)  He gets all the bestest things
[12:54] <didrocks> heh
[12:54] <didrocks> but yeah, I guess the other are impacting normal images as well (some are known and being worked on)
[13:29] <didrocks> ogra_: stupid question, but by reading the snappy ML, I found your message on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-February/000281.html
[13:29] <didrocks> ogra_: seems your sudo question is now fixed, right? (as there is a needs-root or whatever yaml content)
[13:29] <didrocks> however, I was wondering what is the node-snapper?
[13:30] <ogra_> didrocks, might be, i had to move back to phone stuff and havent touched snappy in a while ...
[13:30] <ogra_> i know there is a bug for the sudo case though
[13:31] <didrocks> ogra_: and this node-snapper? was it just a package you started to look at and transform it for vim? or another magical tools I didn't find doc on yet? :p
[13:31] <ogra_> node-snapper is a tool to provide you an arch specific tarball (or two) with a nodejs interpreter and all needed nodejs modules to put in a snap package
[13:31] <didrocks> interesting (not sure why you needed that for vim though?)
[13:31] <ogra_> https://ograblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/meet-node-snapper-a-helper-to-easily-create-snap-packages-of-your-node-js-projects/
[13:32] <ogra_> well, you can easily hack it to pull any other binary package into such a tarball :)
[13:32] <didrocks> ah ok, you just switch nodejs to vim
[13:32] <ogra_> and drop the npm logic ...
[13:33] <ogra_> (since vim doesnt need nodejs modules most of the time :) )
[13:33] <didrocks> ogra_: you always need npm though! :p
[13:33] <didrocks> ogra_: thanks for the answers ;)
[13:33] <ogra_> happy to help ...
[13:34] <ogra_> btw, i think mterrys new tool is better for general deb conversion to snap ... node-snapper is pretty specific for the nodejs case
[13:35] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I'm reading that as well to get a sense of state of the art and see how we can help (but without participating to initial conversations, hard to cachup)
[13:35] <didrocks> catchup*
[13:35] <ogra_> there is no "initial conversation"
[13:36] <ogra_> there is just  "we all scratch our itches" currently
[13:36] <didrocks> ogra_: well, quite a lot of tools and messages on the ML, so interesting to see where this is going and how we can see the bigger picture
[13:36] <didrocks> aka "avoid having to run xorg in a priviledge snap"
[13:36] <ogra_> right, i just mean we will probably see ten more such implementations until something official comes around
[13:37] <didrocks> yep
[13:37] <ogra_> we neeed some generic way though ... everyone knows that i think
[13:37] <didrocks> interesting thing about the LD_PRELOAD story btw…
[13:37] <didrocks> I was really against before the issues with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[13:38] <ogra_> LD_LIBRARY_PATH works fine for less complex stuff (like node snapper)
[13:38] <ogra_> i wouldnt want to roll a unity8 snap with Mir inside using that though :)
[13:38] <didrocks> everything that doesn't use RPATH…
[13:38] <didrocks> heh
[13:38] <didrocks> yeah
[13:39] <ogra_> (which is essentially what mterry tires to do there)
[13:39] <didrocks> yep, for a couple of months already
[13:41] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, I just saw libsnappypreload's code
[13:41] <didrocks> it's… interesting :p
[14:19] <seb128> kenvandine, touch channel is a bit crazy, moving here
[14:19] <kenvandine> seb128, :)
[14:19] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, I confirmed that the ListItem onClicked: doesn't trigger when we hit the issue
[14:20] <kenvandine> seb128, you mean confirmed outside of autopilot?
[14:20] <seb128> I added a code snippet the change the page title to "clicked" in the onClicked handler, doesn't change when I hit the bug
[14:20] <seb128> with autopilot
[14:20] <kenvandine> ok
[14:20] <seb128> I can't reproduce the issue with a manual tap
[14:20] <seb128> I do tap correctly :p
[14:20] <seb128> seems like autopilot sometime doesn't
[14:21] <kenvandine> grrr
[14:21] <seb128> indeed :-/
[14:21] <seb128> is there a way to dump events log?
[14:21] <seb128> to see if it triggers a dnd or something
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, can you ping the qa guys with what you've figured out?
[14:21] <kenvandine> not sure
[14:21] <seb128> kenvandine, who are the qa guys?
[14:21] <kenvandine> see if they have ideas why we don't always get onClicked
[14:21] <kenvandine> they have a vanguard in #ubuntu-quality
[14:22] <kenvandine> i think
[14:22] <kenvandine> someone that should be able to help with autopilot issues
[14:23] <kenvandine> seb128, so i bet missing that onClicked happens elsewhere too, which causes these flaky problems
[14:24] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, moving to the next channel :p
[14:26] <kenvandine> seb128, it was awesome that you figured that out!
[14:26] <seb128> kenvandine, :-)
[14:27] <kenvandine> i'm a bit distracted by another meeting right now though, but i'll try to follow along :)
[14:27] <seb128> kenvandine, do we have a bug about those issues?
[14:28] <kenvandine> not sure, we have in the past ;)
[14:28] <kenvandine> but flakyness comes and goes :/
[14:28] <kenvandine> and likely not the same issue
[14:28] <seb128> right
[14:28] <seb128> let's see, waiting for a reply but I'm going to open one in a bit
[15:10] <pitti> oh, I forgot to say good morning earlier, so:
[15:10] <pitti> good morning!
[15:16] <didrocks> good morning pitti :)
[15:20] <pitti> bonjour didrocks :)
[15:20] <larsu> hi pitti!
[15:20] <pitti> didrocks: c'est presque le fin de la semaine pour toi, non ? :-)
[15:20]  * pitti tips hat towards larsu
[15:21] <didrocks> pitti: presque, en effet ! et toi, tu as le temps pour une glace avant de venir à Londres ? :)
[15:22] <pitti> didrocks: je ne crois pas ça, je m'en vais à 15:30
[15:22] <didrocks> ah en effet, ce sera à l'arrivée alors :)
[15:23] <Laney> bonjour petit chat
[15:23] <pitti> didrocks: mais je peux manger de la glace à Londres !
[15:24] <didrocks> pitti: il fera beau en plus !
[15:24] <didrocks> Laney: a wise man said one day "nage, nage petit poisson"
[15:25] <Laney> the small animal zoo
[15:25] <seb128> hey pitti
[15:29] <cyphermox> hey pitti, how are you on this fine morning?
[16:59] <willcooke> quittin' time - see you guys next week \o/
[20:08] <willcooke> I'll just leave this here from mterry:  https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[20:08] <willcooke> seb128, when you're back ^^^^
[20:09] <willcooke> tata


[11:26] <clivejo> is there any way to get build permission on KCI without being Kubuntu member?
[11:26] <clivejo> I cant get onto wiki.kubuntu.org to make a profile
[11:31] <clivejo> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ doesnt work either
[15:04] <yofel> KCI: no, that's controlled through the team membership and would need a CI change
[15:05] <yofel> doesn't work in what way? Login to moinmoin is as flaky as it gets. Like if you click on continue and the page doesn't load leave it alone, it might respond after a couple minutes
[15:05] <yofel> and protip: never ever log out
[17:12] <clivejo> could I be made a special temporary member :P
[17:14] <clivejo> pretty please oh right honourable lord Yofel the 1st
[19:51] <yofel> no, that would be a policy violation
[21:34] <valorie> clivejo: after us begging you for months to become a member, what's the sudden rush?
[21:35] <valorie> lol
[22:08] <clivejo> KCI
[22:08] <clivejo> I dont have build permission
[22:11] <clivejo> :(
[22:21] <valorie> ah
[22:22] <valorie> well, are the stupid wikis back up yet?
[22:22] <valorie> damn moinmoin.....
[22:22] <clivejo> no
[22:22] <valorie> just use notes.kde.org or so
[22:22] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/plt3fqpoq/e5xwi3
[22:22] <clivejo> password = phils username
[22:23] <valorie> yeah, same crap I got last night
[22:23] <valorie> why password it?
[22:23] <clivejo> not sure what that information is being output
[22:24] <valorie> ok
[22:24] <valorie> so, I can get in through wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <valorie> try that
[22:24] <clivejo> could be a key or something in that data, just being safe
[22:25] <valorie> cool
[22:25] <clivejo> ok I can sign in via wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:25] <valorie> so make your page through there
[22:25] <clivejo> how?!?
[22:25] <valorie> it will also be able to reached through wiki.kubuntu.org
[22:25] <valorie> just make a new page
[22:26] <clivejo> oh cheese sticks
[22:26] <clivejo> Ive edited the home page!
[22:27] <clivejo> how on earth do I create a page
[22:27] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~clivejo?action=edit&template=KubuntuTemplate
[22:28] <valorie> fill in that sucker
[22:30]  * clivejo cries
[22:34] <clivejo> help me, please
[22:39] <valorie> this is mine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman
[22:39] <valorie> copy whatever you like
[22:39] <valorie> I particularly like the list of IRC chans
[22:39] <valorie> found that on somebody's page
[22:40] <valorie> be sure to add a testimonial section and bully all your friends into filling it out
[23:06] <clivejo> hows that looking?
[23:11] <valorie> good, you can list an alternate email if you want, you know
[23:19] <clivejo> will you add a testimonial for me please?
[23:32] <valorie> done
[23:32] <valorie> finally
[23:32] <valorie> I keep forgetting how to do the signature


[04:38] <PebkacJones> test
[04:38] <PebkacJones> hai
[04:38] <PebkacJones> anybody awake?
[04:40] <genii> Probably not
[04:41]  * genii goes back to snoozing
[09:06] <ste22x> hi all
[09:06] <ste22x> wonder if you can help me with my alsa
[16:55] <jarnos> Hmm. Firefox doesn't work responsively nowdays. Chromium time again or something.
[16:55] <holstein> jarnos: or troubleshoot the issue.. as another user, or without the user config in place for firefox
[16:56] <holstein> jarnos: sometimes, you can open the application from the terminal and get helpful output
[17:46] <pobric_> is the lubuntu have libre office like ubuntu or mint =
[17:46] <pobric_> ?
[17:49] <pleia2> pobric_: not by default, but you can install it with the lubuntu software center, very easy :)
[17:49] <pobric_> can lubuntu 13.10 run fine on 512mb ram 1.8ghz processor ?
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> pobric_: Oh yeah.
[17:51] <pleia2> yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> !crosspost | pobric_, just reminding you
[17:51] <pobric_> ok
[17:53] <SonikkuAmerica> (That's actually a system I'd run Xubuntu on, but that's just me.)
[18:11] <pobric_> lubuntu installation is 696 mb,can it works perfetcly for installation on 700 mb cd ?
[18:13] <pobric_> lubuntu installation is 696 mb,can it works perfetcly for installation on 700 mb cd ?
[18:13] <pleia2> yes
 100 % yes ?
[18:21] <SonikkuAmerica> pobric_: YES! It works! You can burn that image to disc with your favorite image-burning program. (Windows Disc Image Burner, CDBurnerXP, Brasero, Xfburn, whatever OS X uses, etc.)
[18:22] <pobric_> ok man thank you !
[23:18] <rosemball> good night everyone
[23:19] <rosemball> how do I set a program to always start in a set language (e.g. I want ardour3 to start with LANG=en always)