[21:18] <jay_> a lot of programs  left with K's infront of them
[21:18] <reisio> it's a konspiracy
[21:18] <eeee> oh ok, try Numinex's suggestion
[21:19] <jay_> i tried it but they are all still there
[21:19] <Term1nal> Are there any current methods of moving the unity dock down to the bottom of the screen?
[21:20] <Term1nal> for 14.04
[21:20] <jay_> jlol reisio
[21:21] <reisio> Term1nal: there's a bug about that on launchpad.net, with solutions in the comments
[21:21] <jay_> reisio, eeee Numinex is it normal that all these program were left behind by the uninstall of KDE ?
[21:21] <jay_> why did it happen? how do i fix it?
[21:22] <Ben64> jay_: what desktop do you want to go back to
[21:22] <jay_> why does no one answer the question i ask and ask their own instead? arg. Ben64 Xfce for now
[21:22] <reisio> jay_: I told you how to do it
[21:22] <preyalone> How can I configure Ubuntu to remember which of two monitors I like to keep different applications on?
[21:23] <Ben64> jay_: because theres not a single answer, and sometimes we need more information
[21:23] <Ben64> !purexubuntu | jay
[21:24] <Ben64> wait, they haven't updated that for 14.04 : /
[21:24] <jay_> holy crap. just copy that HUGE line of code and paste it in terminal then?
[21:25] <Ben64> hasn't been updated since 12.10 apparently
[21:25] <jay_> so i should hold off Ben64 ?
[21:25] <jhutchins> fwankie: Sorry, don't know anything about wikimedia's packages or how they might break the packaging system.  I can barely keep up with the official packages.
[21:26] <Ben64> jay_: theres a 13.04 version here... http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/pure-xubuntu-13-04/comment-page-1/
[21:26] <jay_> there is a K everything Kontacts, Kmail Ktorrent Kurmom. it never ends. i get it.  they want me to use KDE stuff
[21:26] <jhutchins> jay_: With the usual caveat that you should at least know what each command is supposed to do before you hit enter.
[21:26] <holstein> jay_: want? they actually are just providing tools for KDE.. you can use what you like
[21:26] <aram323> Question: Is there a way to autocomplete entries of alias? Like if I have alias install="sudo apt-get install", is there a way to have me type install a letter and use the tab to autocomplete?
[21:27] <fwankie> jhutchins: I'm talking about ubuntu.wikimedia.org, they are a repo for the "official" packages, nothing fancy.
[21:27] <jay_> caveat?
[21:27] <reisio> emptor
[21:28] <jhutchins> jay_: Latin for "warning" or "beware".
[21:28] <reisio> aram323: yeah
[21:28] <jhutchins> jay_: Same root as "caution".
[21:28] <jay_> Ben64, can i use 13.04 or should i not for my 14.04?
[21:28] <Ben64> jay_: some of the packages might have changed, might not remove everything
[21:28] <holstein> !13.04
[21:28] <reisio> and also if you have an email address cave@
[21:29] <aram323> reisio: How would I do that? Now when I try to do like "install f" and press tab, nothing shows up as I would expect like firefox for example
[21:29] <elgatov> man that mod on r/ubuntu sure is an asshat
[21:29] <reisio> elgatov: heh
[21:29] <preyalone> not as bad as stack overflow mods
[21:29] <jay_> can someone answer my original question. why didn't the uninstall take care of every program it installed? i thought this was a prime feature of linux. i thoroughness i was starting to believe in
[21:29] <reisio> aram323: you'd need to build a db of options
[21:30] <reisio> aram323: there're probably apps that do this already
[21:31] <holstein> jay_: you install an application, and the package manager pulls in the dependencies.. if you remove just one of those, then, only one gets removed
[21:31] <jay_> guess i have to uninstall 30 programs one by one :(
[21:31] <holstein> jay_: if you want to remove more, go for it.. if you want to try the "autoremove" feature, try that..
[21:31] <reisio> jay_: already told you how
[21:31] <jay_> holstein, i used the same package to uninstall and install
[21:31] <jay_> you did not reisio
[21:31] <jay_> how isn't part of the question
[21:31] <jay_> the question is why
[21:32] <holstein> jay_: sure.. but, yo uinstalled one application, and the package mangaer pulls in what all it needs.. then, you only ask it to remove one package.. so it does
[21:32] <aram323> reisio: yeah, not sure exactly how the autocomplete works. Having to manually build a database seems quite complicated. Don't see why the same autocomplete entries from sudo apt-get install can't be passed to the shell when I do just install. Any ideas on where I could find any of these databases?
[21:32] <jay_> why didn't the exact same package i installed uninstall itself?
[21:32] <holstein> jay_: it didnt install its self.. its a tool.. its doing what you request
[21:32] <reisio> aram323: I'm sure apt-cache search can give you a list of all packages available
[21:33] <jay_> i know holstein that's for that brilliant insight
[21:33] <holstein> jay_: if the question is, how do i remove an application and the dependencies, try "apt-get autoremove"
[21:33] <jay_> why didn't it do what i said when i told it to uninstall itself then? that's the question
[21:33] <reisio> if the question is the one you asked originally, try reading what people gave you ;)
[21:33] <rubytor> aram323: if you ise tab for your aliases it works perfectly
[21:33] <holstein> jay_: it did.. you didnt give it a list of more applications to be removed
[21:33] <aram323> rubytor: What do you mean?
[21:33] <jay_> holstein, how didn't i?
[21:34] <jay_> there was no option?
[21:34] <jay_> i was in the ubuntu software manager. there is only a remove button
[21:34] <holstein> jay_: have you tried "sudo apt-get autoremove"? i have offered that as an option
[21:34] <holstein> jay_: the software center is not intended as a way to keep the system clear of dependencies you previously installed
[21:35] <jay_> it's running right now holstein
[21:35] <rubytor> aram323: that when you press tab, the system always try to find the command even an alias
[21:35] <jay_> i was under the impression it was holstein
[21:35] <jay_> so when i install something, the software centre is not the place to uninstall it?
[21:35] <holstein> jay_: no.. its just a GUI software center..
[21:35] <Bashing-om> jay_: Think like so, you have a DE installed - install a different one and it's dependencies // uninstall one of them and all it's dependencies, that takes away the common dependencies on BOTH de's. Now the remaining DE is broken -> requiring (RE-)install of the missing dependencies. Most often a better course is to (RE-)install the desired DE.
[21:36] <holstein> jay_: if you want to uninstall something, go for it.. if you are expecting all the dependencies that you dont need anymore to be removed, use a tool that would do that.. or keep track of the packages that are added
[21:36] <jay_> that makes sense Bashing-om  i already have my system configured nicely though with software i want on it and extensions and such
[21:36] <rubytor> aram323: you dont have to do anything special
[21:36] <aram323> rubytor: not for me. Like I said, I have alias install="sudo apt-get install", yet when I do "install f" and press tab for example, nothing shows up. Maybe autocomplete isn't the word, what I mean is that there's no option of software to install that start with the letter f.
[21:37] <jay_> holstein, i had no idea it worked like that. common sense told me if i can use a program to install, i can use it to uninstall. i didn't know i needed a more thorough uninstallation program. how do i find one and use it?
[21:37] <eeee> aram323: it should work, ls --color=auto is an alias and it autocompletes
[21:38] <holstein> jay_: you can, friend.. but you are only asking to remove one thing
[21:38] <jay_> that sudo apt-get autoremove didn't work btw. sorry
[21:38] <Ben64> jay_: when you installed, it said "hey i need these other things in order to install that, is that ok?" and you said yes
[21:38] <jay_> right Ben64
[21:38] <Ben64> jay_: so don't be mad that you didn't take note of that : /
[21:38] <eeee> aram323: you are right, i just tried it and it doesnt autocomplete
[21:38] <holstein> jay_: if you click on the button to install "firefox" and a lot of other packages come in, and you install firefox and all its dependencies.. then, you later click a button that says "remove firefox", and firefox gets removed, thats all you asked for
[21:39] <jay_> i did? you didn't prove anything Ben64
[21:39] <holstein> jay_: you are welcome to keep track of what gets added, or try "sudo apt-get autoremove firefox"
[21:39] <jay_> the problem is, it doesn't say hey, i'm going to uninstall everything i just installed. it also, doesn't give you a choice
[21:39] <Ben64> jay_: then remove the list of stuff you noted was being installed! easy!
[21:39] <rubytor> aram323: did you close your terminal and reopen it??
[21:39] <jay_> the list is at least 30 programs lol i was hoping there was an easy way
[21:39] <eeee> i think jay_ is talking about the programs it installed, like the KCalc and stuff
[21:40] <holstein> there is not button for "remove firefox and all the other dependencies you added"
[21:40] <holstein> jay_: i consider "autoremove" pretty easy.. have you tried it?
[21:40] <jay_> what does autoremove firefox do holstein ?
[21:41] <jay_> i tried autoremove that you told me to a minute ago. i don't know how to use it properly though
[21:41] <jay_> i just copy and pasted
[21:41] <holstein> jay_: in the scenario above, it does what i see you asking for, which is, after you added firefox, and accepted all the dependencies, it tries to "autoremove" the other packages
[21:41] <k1l_> autoremove removes packages that are not used by other packages (which installed them) anymore
[21:41] <holstein> jay_: firefox was just an example, friend..
[21:41] <meek_geek> well how to search with aptitude is a package is in main or contrib or non-free
[21:42] <jay_> --->> the problem exactly!!! <holstein> there is not button for "remove firefox and all the other dependencies you added"
[21:42] <holstein> jay_: sudo apt-get autoremove firefox will not be the actual command that addresses your issue.. you'll need to cater it to your specific case
[21:42] <aram323> eeee: I think the reason it works with ls alias is because it's local files. When you do sudo apt-get install software it reads from a database I'm guessing and this may be the reason I guess that just running install, a letter, and tabbing won't complete it
[21:42] <Ben64> meek_geek: apt-cache policy <package>
[21:43] <jay_> well i don't know they name i need to use for the KDE i had installed holstein :/
[21:43] <aram323> I'm guessing I need to have the alias command be able to read from the database somehow
[21:43] <holstein> jay_: sure.. but, its not a "problem" at all.. the software center didnt guarantee that.. and doesnt.. but, have you tried "sudo apt-get autoremove *package-name*" ?
[21:43] <jay_> how can i know the package-name?
[21:43] <reisio> there is undoubtedly some dpkg frontend with some params that does what you want
[21:44] <jay_> i got it from the software manager and don't remember which one now because there are a tone with similar names
[21:44] <holstein> jay_: sure.. but, you really need to learn to take not of what is happening to your system.. its ultimately your responsibility.. consider experiementing with live CD's and vm's.. you can use a package manager like synaptic to search for "kde" and remove what you like
[21:44] <holstein> take note*
[21:44] <meek_geek> Ben64, aptitude show <package> give a long story
[21:44] <jay_> holstein, that's crazy.
[21:44] <k1l_> jay_: you installed "kubuntu-desktop" last days, you said
[21:45] <eeee> aram323: yeah i suppose so
[21:45] <jay_> lol there are probably hundreds of packages on the pc. how could anyone possibly remember them all?
[21:45] <k1l_> meek_geek: you are aware he said apt-cache?
[21:46] <meek_geek> Ben64, do we have a policy option in aptitude ?
[21:46] <jay_> kubuntu desktop was not installed and therefore not removed. it had a different name holstein
[21:46] <Ben64> meek_geek: why does it need to be aptitude?
[21:46] <rubytor> aram323: type >>> nano ~/.bashrc   .............. and then put your aliases into it!!!
[21:47] <Stmeter> I'm getting 502 Gateway errors with php5-fpm with php5.4. Will downgrading to 5.3 resolve this?
[21:47] <Guest11393> How do I fix grub from a live boot ubuntu disk?
[21:47] <meek_geek> Ben64, Its search option is better and give result in a well organised matter
[21:47] <reisio> Guest11393: what's broken?
[21:48] <Ben64> meek_geek: it also has problems with multiarch last i checked, but you're free to use what you want
[21:48] <rubytor> Guest11393: with Boot Repair
[21:48] <Guest11393> I don't know, it shows a Grub: prompt, hang on I'll change my nick
[21:48] <aram323> rubytor: I have them put in .bash_aliases, which gets read in from the .bashrc file. The commands work, it's just the apt-get command that have problems.
[21:48] <jay_> holstein, how do i find out the name of a package from the software center?
[21:49] <jay_> is there a proper format?
[21:49] <Glorfindel> rubytor, how would I do that?
[21:49] <rubytor> aram323: did you try a real case?? like install gcc
[21:50] <aram323> rubytor: I just tried "install tilda" and it works, but if I did "install t" and pressed tab, there wouldn't be any suggestions.
[21:50] <Jewberg> hello?
[21:50] <Glorfindel> rubytor, how would I do that? this was Guest11393
[21:50] <rubytor> Glorfindel: just start up a live session and install boot repair in it, or download the boot repairs .iso and use it as any live distribution
[21:51] <Glorfindel> ok, thanks
[21:51] <reisio> Jewberg: 'lo
[21:51] <Jewberg> hi reisio
[21:51] <reisio> aram323: you can build a bash completion list from apt-cache search's list of packages
[21:51] <reisio> aram323: but again, there are probably already apps for this
[21:52] <jay_> christ on a candystick. i'm going to just have to manually uninstall these biotches
[21:52] <reisio> jay_: or you could do what I told you to do several millennia ago :)
[21:52] <trism> aram323: it would be two tabs, not one, because there are multiple results for just t (1199 here), but ti gives much fewer
[21:53] <jay_> WHAT! what reisio !
[21:53] <jay_> jesus i've tried everything
[21:53] <reisio> my sentiments exactly
[21:53] <jay_> sorry. i'm irritated
[21:53] <jay_> the link you gave me was for 12.04
[21:53] <jay_> i tried that
[21:53] <jay_> it didn't work
[21:55] <aram323> trism: Still doesn't work. Feel free to try my alias. :)
[21:55] <reisio> jay_: what version are you using?
[21:55] <jay_> 14.04
[21:55] <trism> aram323: oh sorry I didn't see an alias I thought you were just using apt-get install
[21:56] <k1l_> !away > dfgas
[21:56] <jay_> what's left behind anyways? is it just programs from the KDE? i'd assume it uninstalled the desktop related things when i uninstalled from the ubuntu software useless for uninstalling centre
[21:56] <Jewberg> sorry I dont know ettiquite on here, would a kind soul help me a bit?
[21:56] <reisio> Jewberg: with what?
[21:57] <aram323> trism: Yeah, works normally with the sudo apt-get install, it's the alias that causes an issue
[21:57] <Bashing-om> jay_: A lot of time and effort has gone into geting us out of "dependency hell" with the development of a package manager. It is not perfect, but sure is great ! -> sudo apt-get -f install , dpkg -C <- to see what the package manager is aware of IF applications are in it's data base.
[21:58] <Jewberg> reisio: I'm trying to boot osx mountain lion from a usb stick. I wrote it correctly using the tool in Linux Mint, but when I try to boot from the usb in my BIOS, it just loads GRUB
[21:58] <aram323> Alright I think I may have found a solution
[21:59] <Jewberg> reisio: and I don't know how to boot the usb from GRUB
[22:00] <rubytor> aram323: did you find it??
[22:00] <jay_> Bashing-om, it's good most of the time i'm sure. but how hard could it be to include the exact same items during the uninstall and the install? i'm not programmer but come on.
[22:01] <aram323> rubytor: yep: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/alias-apt-with-auto-complete-kde-4-kubuntu/
[22:01] <reisio> Jewberg: that's a job for your bios/u/efi
[22:01] <reisio> Jewberg: talk to #macosx
[22:02] <Bashing-om> Jewberg: If you know the designation and partition that 'buntu is installed onto the USB drive, not no big deal to boot from grub. maybe @ 'grub >' grub commnad -> ls -la <- to see what all grub is aware of. Grub syntax for device identification differs from what the system uses !.
[22:02] <aram323> Apparently you need to create a function that does a apt-cache search and returns matching entries? Idk, not exactly sure how the function works.
[22:02] <Jewberg> reisio: I have no idea what that means. haha umm... how do I talk to #macosx
[22:03] <reisio> you /join #macosx
[22:03] <Jewberg> Bashing-om: way over my head. thanks for helping
[22:03] <rubytor> aram323: great, thanks
[22:03] <Bashing-om> jay_: How would you suggest a meathod to track ALL of the dependencies for each application installed, now that would be a huge data base ! And that would be a huge amount of overhead for smaller systems to cope with.
[22:04] <reisio> Bashing-om: nah it'd be easy
[22:04] <reisio> most package managers do this
[22:04] <reisio> probably dpkg too, in a way
[22:04] <Bashing-om> Jewberg: You asked, and it is no big deal .. just a bit of using the terminal. To tell the system what you want it to do.
[22:05] <jay_> isn't that what it already does during install Bashing-om ? it's pretty simple really. make a program to check to see if a (dependency )library is needed by another program. if not, uninstall it. if it's needed, leave it. done
[22:05] <jay_> i'm a genius / it was really easy and anyone could figure that out
[22:05] <rubytor> Jewberg: i think that is the secure boot of your bios!!!
[22:06] <jay_> anyways, i gotta go play some ultimate frizbee :)
[22:06] <jay_> ttyl y'all
[22:06] <aram323> rubytor: Yep, this'll make things much simpler. :D I'm guessing some of those like `_get_cword`and complete are built-in bash functions or something.
[22:06] <diverdude> hi, if i do apt-get -s build-dep python3.4 i get a long list of libraries... i guess if i want to properly build python34 i need to install all those libs, how do i do that?
[22:07] <Bashing-om> jay_: True, most assuredly, however the base of all this is not to duplicate any files present on the system. When an application is "purged" and all it;s dependencies the package manager has no direct way of knowing what other applications are affected.
[22:10] <Guest34034> freenode
[22:11] <trism> diverdude: omit the -s
[22:12] <jhutchins> How do I restart the taskbar/menu in gnome?
[22:13] <reisio> jhutchins: in gnome, or unity?
[22:14] <diverdude> ack...when i try to remove python 3.4 i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7744235/ How can i then move 3.4?
[22:15] <k1l_> jhutchins: killall gnome-panel?
[22:19] <diverdude> anyone?
[22:20] <dcope> hey all, is there a way to force my raid setup to spread the data across disks to help reduce i/o and having one disk getting bogged down?
[22:25] <diverdude> ack...when i try to remove python 3.4 using sudo dpkg -r python3.4 i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7744235/ How can i force move 3.4?
[22:26] <Balzy> hello, where could I report a kubuntu 14.04? could you please provide me the link to the right bug tracker? It's a probable system bug
[22:26] <eeee> diverdude: add --force ?
[22:26] <ianorlin> there is ubuntu-bug in a terminal will work and bring up a browser Balzy
[22:28] <Balzy> thank you!
[22:28] <diverdude> eeee, ok, what impact could that have. that apparmor no more works?
[22:28] <jhutchins> k1l_: Morelikely start gnome-panel, we'll see.
[22:28] <eeee> diverdude: most likely, as well as rhythmbox
[22:28] <jhutchins> k1l_: Actually, the issue wasn't just the panel - the whole GUI was down (wasn't me, but thanks).
[22:30] <diverdude> eeee, ok...so if i do sudo dpkg -r apparmor rythmbox python3.4 that should be ok right? Then i can rebuild python3.4, install that and reinstall apparmor  and rhytmbox.
[22:30] <aberrant> hey all
[22:31] <aberrant> anyone know how to specify afs mounts in /etc/fstab?
[22:32] <aberrant> er, sorry - afp
[22:34] <eeee> diverdude: yeah i suppose, or just force uninstall python then reinstall it
[22:34] <eeee> reinstalling the others might be a better idea i guess
[22:34] <myntal> name
[22:42] <diverdude> eeee, that was not possible :/ those packages had other dependencies hehe
[22:43] <diverdude> eeee, i guess its the srew without end
[22:51] <amartinenco> I am having troubles with flash player on my ubuntu 14.04. I can play youtube videos fine but when I go to cbc.ca I cant run a single video. Can somebody please tell what I need to do to fix this issue?
[22:52] <amartinenco> i just get a grey screen. My windows machine loads it fine but ubuntu does not for some reason.
[22:53] <kyle__> amartinenco: Try with google chrome.  Adobe has abandoned flash for linux in general, and IIRC isn't updating it anymore.  BUT, in an agreement with google, new updated versions ship embedded in chrome.
[22:55] <amartinenco> kyle__: is that the chromium that I need to install?
[22:56] <kyle__> amartinenco: chromium is the open-source part of chrome, and built by matainers at ubuntu.  I don't think that one contains flash.  You need the official one from google for flash.
[22:57] <OerHeks> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[22:57] <OerHeks> i use chrome too, saves a lot of issues
[22:57] <meek_geek> OerHeks, but chrome is proprietary
[22:57] <amartinenco> ok Ill official chrome, thanks guys
[22:58] <kyle__> Ugh.  Right now I'm not sure if this USB port is 1.0 or if the machine is really just that slow.
[22:58] <OerHeks> meek_geek, for youtube i use html5, anything else chrome
[22:59] <meek_geek> chromium or chrome ?
[23:00] <kcj[work]> I require assistance as my display settings lack persistence.
[23:01] <OerHeks> chrome uses html5 standard, when you enable it @ youtube AFAIK
[23:01] <meek_geek> basically i did a small research and happen to find out that girls use flash for games and guys for shame ( heh )
[23:02] <thomasfuston> OerHeks: every browser sues html5, when you enable it @ youtube
[23:02] <thomasfuston> *use
[23:02] <OerHeks> i can't tell, as i removed firefox.
[23:05] <diverdude> how do i remove python 3.4 ? i cannot even force remove it - then i get: dpkg: error: unknown force/refuse option `python3.4'
[23:05] <kyle__> OerHeks: Eh?  I thought that was one of the things that pulled out half of the desktop if you removed it.
[23:05] <OerHeks> i think python 3.4 is core business
[23:06] <kyle__> diverdude: dpkg --get-selections|grep python3.4 to find the exact package name, then apt-get remove.  Look at what it wants to remove BEOFORE hitting yes FFS.
[23:06] <OerHeks> kyle__, nope, firefox can be removes safely
[23:06] <OerHeks> removed*
[23:06] <kyle__> OerHeks: Neat.  Didn't know that.  Last time I tried to remove something that came with the default desktop, it tried to remove everything.
[23:07] <OerHeks> why do you want to remove python 3.4 diverdude ?
[23:07] <kyle__> diverdude: If you just want to use a different versino of python by default, you can update the alternatives.
[23:07] <diverdude> OerHeks, because its not compiled correctly :/ it should be compiled with zlib support....
[23:08] <kyle__> diverdude: You're supposed to import that as a library/module IIRC.
[23:09] <diverdude> kyle__, mmm but i dont get how that works then...because i have both python 2.7 and 3.4 installed....and zlib works fine for 2.7 and not 3.4. i cannot import it in 3.4
[23:10] <kyle__> diverdude: Oh.  That's odd.  My laptop here has py 2.7 and 3.3 installed, and I can import zlib.  Which is what I thought you're supposed to do... humm.
[23:11] <diverdude> kyle__, can you run python3.3 and then in that shell do import zlib ?
[23:11] <kyle__> diverdude: Yup.  Humm.
[23:11] <kyle__> diverdude: did you check in #python?  They would probably know if a release of py for ubuntu was screwed like that.
[23:12] <dcope> is there a good iotop alternative?
[23:14] <kyle__> dcope how so?  is it not working, or missing something you want?
[23:14] <kyle__> dcope: It's the only thing like it I"ve used.
[23:15] <dcope> kyle__: oh, was just thinking about using another program to get a second reading
[23:15] <CavemanSean> Wondering if someone could help me get a fileshare working from Ubuntu 14.04 to a Windows machine, I've been on google for the last 2-3 hours and can't seem to get it working WITHOUT a password (I want a specific folder to be READ ONLY)
[23:15] <Pici> dcope: htop has some features of it
[23:15] <dcope> i keep seeing jbd2/sda5-8 in iotop
[23:15] <typ> dcope: that's journaling
[23:15]  * kyle__ nods
[23:15] <dcope> typ: does it need to be enabled?
[23:16] <typ> it does not, but it's advised
[23:16] <dcope> oh
[23:16] <kyle__> dcope: I'd love to hear if you find a reasonable alternative.  I like iotop, but it's not a big part of my sysadmin day.
[23:16] <dcope> trying to figure out if i can get this i/o down... http://cl.ly/image/2g3I323n1Z0J
[23:16] <dcope> :(
[23:17] <dcope> kyle__: certainly will. the only thing i've found is folks using iostat
[23:17] <dcope> but meh at that
[23:17] <dcope> now jdb2 is using 90+ % i/o
[23:17] <dcope> :/
[23:17] <Caroga_mint> Hi all! anyone who could help me installing 14.04 on my VAIO, getting weird errors when partition the the device
[23:17] <dcope> is that right?
[23:18] <dcope> Caroga_mint: what is the exact error
[23:18] <Caroga_mint> That's the thing, I get a message box containing only question marks
[23:18] <dcope> oh weird
[23:18] <dcope> not sure :(
[23:18] <Caroga_mint> I've found that i could be because I am using a RAID 0 configuration.
[23:18] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: Sounds like you have bad install media or RAM.
[23:18] <typ> dcope: looks like you don't cache enough?
[23:19] <Caroga_mint> Its already the second USB device on which ive downloaded and installed a fresh installation ISO package.
[23:19] <Caroga_mint> Also, RAM is working pretty darn well, did the check.
[23:19] <dcope> typ: just serving static files
[23:19] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: What is the exact iso you're using, and how did you configure the USB drive to boot it?
[23:19] <OssumPawesome> i can connect to my ubuntu ssh server locally just fine - how do i connect to it from outside my house?
[23:19] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:20] <typ> dcope: you have a shitload of disk reads for static files = you don't cache enough
[23:20] <Caroga_mint> installed it using USB universal installer via Windows 7 first, now I am at my older Mint installation on another device, installed it using ISO writer.
[23:20] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | Caroga_mint
[23:20] <dcope> typ: nginx can cache static files in memory?
[23:21] <apeoid> mmmmm I'm striking out on fixing this for myself.  I wanted to get pipelight installed to run silverlight.  any ideas?
[23:21] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767203
[23:21] <Caroga_mint> It's not my topic, but it's that error that pops up
[23:21] <apeoid> I've done the steps to install pipelight and changed user agent but I get a prompt to install silverlight when I test
[23:22] <Caroga_mint> apeoid: restart, sometimes it takes another boot to get it going. Also, the sites asks for permission to run that plugin.
[23:22] <typ> dcope: http://nginx.com/resources/admin-guide/caching/
[23:22] <apeoid> I did that too :/
[23:22] <Caroga_mint> Did u go to the silverlight testing page and see if your "silverlight" loads?
[23:23] <mkramer_> silverAss
[23:23] <TheDude> Hey guys whats the topic right now?
[23:23] <apeoid> yes.  in chrome, chrome as ff, ff itself
[23:23] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: did u see the images inside the post of the threads
[23:23] <pavlos> CavemanSean, did you configure samba?
[23:23] <xangua> apeoid: are you using chromium/chrome?
[23:23] <mkramer_> TheDude, using windows software in linux
[23:23] <OssumPawesome> could anyone please tell me how to reference my ubuntu server when trying to connect outside my house? i can connect in my house with my local ip just fine
[23:23] <apeoid> yeah I try to use chrome browser but I also have ff
[23:23] <typ> dcope: well actually that might not be the correct link, but yes, nginx can cache
[23:23] <CavemanSean> pavlos from what I seen online yes. then I restart the service.
[23:23] <xangua> apeoid: chrome no longer sports napi plugins
[23:24] <apeoid> o
[23:24] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: port forwarding
[23:24] <CavemanSean> I even reboot the PC with no luck :(
[23:24] <TheDude> hmmmmm nope using linux inside of ubuntu... i think
[23:24] <TheDude> or the other way around
[23:24] <apeoid> well why don't they
[23:24] <x9> hello, how can I get rid of unmounted hard drives on my desktop?
[23:24] <pavlos> did you create a dir that goes into the [public] section of the smb.conf
[23:24] <OssumPawesome> Caroga_mint yes but how do i reference my server? with my global ip address?
[23:24] <Twerk_Bot> Can i twerk in here?
[23:24]  * Twerk_Bot twerks
[23:24] <TheDude> wine isnt a cure all
[23:24] <apeoid> I started ff and it's downloading wine stuff
[23:24] <apeoid> let's give it a shot eh
[23:25] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: nah, i think you will actually need to create a DMZ for that or something, when I think about it.
[23:25] <TheDude> just tell my mother in law
[23:25] <x9> Twerk_Bot what just happened
[23:25] <CavemanSean> pavlos nothing said anything about [public] it was all in [gloal]....sonva bitch D=
[23:25] <apeoid> gotta switch user agent for ff, news shortly
[23:26] <TheDude> just as long as twerk bot has nipple its cool
[23:26] <ianorlin> !ot |TheDude
[23:26] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: u there?
[23:26] <x9> anyways, there's unmounted partitions on my desktop (dual booting with Windows 8.1 on Xubuntu 14.04), how
[23:27] <x9> *how can I get rid of the unmounted hard drives so they're not cluttering my desktop?
[23:28] <TheDude> OK guys i have a question, Is there a way to start bootloader from inside of a running ubuntu so i can switch my windows partition with out having to hit shutdown
[23:28] <TheDude> like a shortcut or something
[23:28] <x9> TheDude: afraid not, you could just reboot the computer though, but the closest thing to what you would want would be a VM
[23:28] <TheDude> hmmm.....is it more resource intensive?
[23:29] <x9> it's a computer in a computer basically, yes
[23:30] <TheDude> grr....i only got about 2 gigs ram,,,,i dont think thats a good fix...
[23:30] <x9> try to dedicate at least 2GB RAM to the VM and expect a large filesize for the virtual hard drive (depending on how much stuff you have in Windows)
[23:30] <x9> yeah, you will definitely want more RAM then that... at least double
[23:30] <TheDude> is there a way to write a scrip to restart into my windows partition with out going through all that hasle,,, and just click it and go?
[23:31] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: just found out
[23:31] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: port forwarding is enough.
[23:31] <x9> you'd have to play with UEFI for that, which I don't think Ubuntu has total support for yet
[23:31] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: meaning you will connect on your routers ip, and it will forward all communication on 22 towards your internal server.
[23:31] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: got it ?
[23:31] <OssumPawesome> and you use your global ip? yeah im thinking thats it
[23:32] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: global == external? than yes
[23:32] <OssumPawesome> i didnt forward my port before I left home today, but I will when i get back
[23:32] <OssumPawesome> yes
[23:32] <TheDude> whats UEFI ?
[23:32] <Caroga_mint> OssumPawesome: good luck bro.
[23:32] <OssumPawesome> tnx
[23:33] <ianorlin> with 2gb ram it might have bios
[23:33] <TheDude> i am running a gateway turion 64 x2
[23:33] <TheDude> laptop
[23:34] <kerry_> how to obtain google ip range
[23:34] <Caroga_mint> kerry_: say whaat?
[23:35] <apeoid> oooo netflix
[23:35] <apeoid> it's buffering
[23:35] <Caroga_mint> apeoid: nice!
[23:35] <apeoid> HA
[23:35] <apeoid> works!  thank you
[23:35] <apeoid> I guess I hadn't tried firefox thoroughly
[23:36] <apeoid> I had to try 3 different firefox add-ons of user-agent switchers before one actually added its button to the bar
[23:37] <TheDude> well there isnt alot on netflix anyway latley.... but cool
[23:37] <apeoid> I'm watching orange is the new black
[23:37] <Caroga_mint> TheDude: depends on where you watch from.
[23:37] <TheDude> realy?
[23:37] <TheDude> why?
[23:37] <qballer> Hey guys, thanks for the help a few houes back now I notice HDMI isn't working
[23:37] <qballer> Can't direct hdmo sound
[23:37] <Caroga_mint> Have you  tried turning it off and on again ?
[23:37] <TheDude> thats a system reboot
[23:37] <Caroga_mint> qballer: sound on hdmi?
[23:38] <Caroga_mint> You also manually switched the sound settings to stream over hdmi ?
[23:38] <TheDude> yup, system config make sure your settings are not muted
[23:38] <qballer> Caroga_mint: yea. The HDMI stream isn't showing. the only recognised driver is VGA
[23:39] <TheDude> start with a reboot
[23:39] <qballer> did that several times.  I'm using xubuntu 14.04
[23:42] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: I cannot say for sure YET but I think I found what was bugging with my partition setup.
[23:43] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: It appears the partition software used in the ubuntu installer isnt able to write proper partition tables, GPT tables that is.
[23:43] <Roey> hi
[23:43] <Caroga_mint> GParted fortunately is. So I partitioned everything inside GParted and voila!
[23:43] <kerry> hello,good morning anyone have a good day
[23:43] <Roey> why can't I hear sound?
[23:43] <Caroga_mint> kerry: I am now, thanks!
[23:43] <Roey> I've checked my volume levels
[23:43] <Roey> on both my analog and SPDIF devices.
[23:43] <Caroga_mint> Roey: Have you tried turning it off and on again ?
[23:43] <Roey> and through my desktop
[23:44] <Roey> Caroga_mint:  what, the computer?
[23:44] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: Ubuntu's installer most certainly can write proper GPT labels, and uses the same code to do so (libparted) as GParted does.
[23:44] <Roey> Caroga_mint:  something must be up wtih pulseaudio, I'm thinking.
[23:44] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: But also on RAID 0 volumes?
[23:44] <qballer> so any ideas on the hdmi driver issue?  it' intel graphics hd
[23:44] <Roey> even mpg123 doesn't output sound.
[23:44] <kerry> China blocks google service,i want to obtain google ip range ,so that i can access google service with goagent
[23:45] <Caroga_mint> Roey: no clue, not that into pulseaudio anymore.
[23:45] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: Yes, libparted is used no matter what volume you use, or partition label type (GPT vs msdos).
[23:45] <Roey> Caroga_mint:  alright.  I was under the impression that pulseaudio is the default for *buntu
[23:45] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: Is this hardware raid0, FakedRAID (which may claim to be hardware RAID on the box, hence the "fake"), or linux software RAID (mdraid)?
[23:46] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: Then it's most strange that this issue appears. I've partitioned my tables using GParted and just pointed the installer to the right direction. Works.
[23:46] <qballer> Caroga_mint: you got ideas  man ?
[23:46] <Caroga_mint> I believe it's a hardware RAID, but I honestly could tell you yet. Will check it after install is done.
[23:47] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: Which happens to be done now..
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: Did you ever make a screenshot of the Ubuntu installer preseting that error mesage?
[23:47] <Caroga_mint> qballer: sorry, hdmi guy right ?
[23:47] <Caroga_mint> Ive send you a link of the error yes
[23:47] <qballer> Caroga_mint: yea
[23:48] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: I'm not interested in someone else's screenshot. Did you make one of your own, preferably showing the rest of the Ubuntu installer Window as well?
[23:48] <Caroga_mint> <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767203
[23:48] <qballer> Caroga_mint: intel hd graphics
[23:48] <dcope> is there a way to force ubuntu to cache more static files in memory ?
[23:48] <dcope> i have 30 GB of free memory but my disks are being slammed
[23:48] <Jordan_U> dcope: Read them.
[23:48] <Caroga_mint> I havent Jordan_U, but I can reproduce it.
[23:48] <_2_Chloegurl_pre> hey
[23:49] <dcope> Jordan_U: the files are being read.
[23:49] <Caroga_mint> qballer: erm lemme think
[23:49] <Jordan_U> dcope: If you have free RAM, any file reads should be cached automatically.
[23:49] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: I have a Intel Raid controller in the device.
[23:49] <dcope> hundreds of MB of files are being read every few minutes
[23:49] <dcope> yet the RAM usage never goes above 2 GB
[23:50] <Jordan_U> dcope: You're getting disc spinups from reading files that don't change, even after they have been read previously?
[23:50] <Caroga_mint> qballer: what intel driver did you installed, or default ones?
[23:50] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: You probably have FakeRAID. Unless you're dual booting with Windows, I would recommend using mdraid instead.
[23:51] <dcope> Jordan_U: yes, appears so but i cannot be 100% certain
[23:51] <Jordan_U> dcope: What type of files? What is reading them?
[23:51] <Caroga_mint> Jordan_U: Im not dual booting, trying to escape from windows
[23:51] <Jordan_U> dcope: How are you checking RAM usage? Are you using 64 bit Ubuntu?
[23:55] <Jordan_U> Caroga_mint: The introduction here is a good explanation of what FakeRAID is, and why you probably don't want to use it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto .
[23:56] <ryan_> EOL 12.04 LTS
[23:57] <Caroga_mint> ty Jordan_U , im also fixiing the screenshots for u
[23:58] <qballer> Caroga_mint: default and than I give intel installer a go.
[23:58] <qballer> gave*
[23:59] <Caroga_mint> qballer: was it working before u give intel a chance ?
[23:59] <qballer> nope Caroga_mint
[23:59] <Caroga_mint> consider trying that
[23:59] <qballer> nope , no hdmi driver
[23:59] <qballer> just vga
[23:59] <Caroga_mint> ah srry


[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <infinity> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 28 15:00:52 2018 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:00] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke juliank fginther)
[15:01] <slangasek> fginther Odd_Bloke tdaitx doko bdmurray cyphermox slangasek infinity philroche rbalint sil2100 rcj juliank mwhudson xnox
[15:01] <slangasek> fginther: good morning
[15:02] <fginther> morning
[15:02] <fginther> * Build system vanguard
[15:02] <fginther> * Manual minimal image testing
[15:02] <fginther> * Testing of network related image changes
[15:02] <fginther> (done)
[15:03] <fginther> Odd_Bloke is out, tdaitx?
[15:04] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 7 failures:
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - unable to reproduce LP: #1777933 on powerpc
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - tried to reproduce LP: #1778930, helped the user to debug it as he had no steps to reproduce it, investigated backtrace and identified the faulty code in the icedtea backports of a 8u161 hotspot security update; issue has been reported upstream
[15:04] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 10 update:
[15:04] <tdaitx>   - shuffling through packages in pkg-java-maintainers that might need fixes for bionic and/or cosmic or a SRU in bionic
[15:04] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:04] <doko> - gcc-7 / gcc-8 updates
[15:04] <doko> - python 3.6.6 and 3.7.0 releases
[15:04] <doko> - start the fun, adding python3.7 as a supported version ...
[15:04] <doko> - more transitions, migrations work, never ending
[15:04] <doko> (done)
[15:05] <bdmurray> worked with IS to get the right version of the mojo spec run in jenkins
[15:05] <bdmurray> redeployed staging version of the Error Tracker (all good)
[15:05] <bdmurray> updated RT re mojo spec deployment of the Error Tracker
[15:05] <bdmurray> tested, wrote test case for, and uploaded python3-minimal changes for LP: #1768379
[15:05] <bdmurray> searched for more triggers which changed in cosmic to noawait
[15:05] <bdmurray> pinged webops regarding the retracers that were stopped / disabled (they are back)
[15:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding flipping the failed queue retracers back to the failed queue
[15:05] <bdmurray> overrode a gnome-software regression of the current Ubuntu 16.04 SRU
[15:05] <bdmurray> worked on deb to snap transition in ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:05] <bdmurray> discovered gnome-calculator won't get removed because of unity-scope-calculator
[15:06] <bdmurray> tested, then uploaded u-r-u fix for LP: #1775660 to cosmic
[15:06] <bdmurray> irc discussion regarding apport-noui and automatic crash reporting
[15:06] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:06] <bdmurray> cyphermox: ?
[15:06] <cyphermox> yup
[15:06] <cyphermox> - monday off, next monday off too.
[15:06] <cyphermox> - verified shim-signed SRUs
[15:06] <cyphermox> - netplan advanced networking spec (tracking down signoff)
[15:06] <cyphermox> - updated wiki doc for DKMS on Secure Boot
[15:06] <cyphermox> - added Secure Boot/DKMS note to release notes wiki page for bionic
[15:06] <cyphermox> - upstream shim work on MokManager timeout handling
[15:06] <cyphermox> - [HIGHLIGHT] landed UEFI Secure Boot reference implementation for VMs
[15:06] <cyphermox>  - install ovmf + libvirt, and pick OVMF_CODE.ms.fd to get all the SB glory typical x86 metal would have
[15:06] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek>  * minimal image work
[15:07] <slangasek>  * netplan design review
[15:07] <slangasek>  * working on -proposed transitions (a little bit here and there)
[15:07] <slangasek>  * SRU reviewing
[15:07] <slangasek>  * work on image design in GKE
[15:07] <slangasek> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> infinity:
[15:07] <infinity>  * Made debian-cd and live-build happy with multi-part initrds in cosmic
[15:07] <infinity>  * Uploaded SRUs to trusty and xenial for the above (pending review)
[15:07] <infinity>  * Looking into various transitions and general archive health
[15:07] <infinity>  * Assisted with recovery in 1SS after The Great Battery Fire of 2018
[15:07] <infinity>  * Starting on point release prep for 16.04.5 and 18.04.1
[15:07] <infinity>  * Discussions with the kernel team about userspace SRUs needed for 16.04.5
[15:07] <infinity>  * Some mentorship and reviews of random bits and bobs
[15:07] <infinity>  * General AA maintenance
[15:07] <infinity>  * Lots of doctors and tests and messed-up sleep schedules
[15:07] <infinity> (done)
[15:08] <infinity> philroche:
[15:08] <slangasek> infinity: were your SRUs also uploaded to bionic?
[15:09] <rbalint> philroche is out i hink
[15:09] <bdmurray> philroche: is out
[15:09] <slangasek> rbalint:
[15:09] <infinity> slangasek: Err, I meant xenial and bionic.
[15:09] <rbalint> * moved wireshark packaging to Salsa
[15:09] <rbalint> * uploads through Debian: wireshark new upstream
[15:09] <infinity> slangasek: Not trusty.
[15:09] <rbalint> * unattended-upgrades improvements (pending review):
[15:09] <slangasek> infinity: ack
[15:09] <rbalint>   - autopkgtest installing all security updates in stable releases
[15:09] <rbalint>   - adapt to apt/dpkg frontend locking scheme
[15:09] <rbalint>   - fix u-u's upgrade on shutdown
[15:09] <rbalint> * manual minimal image testing
[15:09] <rbalint> * sru ebtables to all releases to not break wsl upgrades
[15:09] <rbalint> * prepared new Ubuntu wsl apps
[15:09] <rbalint> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:10] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:10] <sil2100> - A few kernel SRU reviews (leftovers from the cycle)
[15:10] <sil2100> - core18:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * PR reviews
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Checking locales size change
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Started work on cleaning up unneeded files
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Fixed GID/UID mapping
[15:10] <sil2100> - Preliminary investigation of broken cosmic image builds
[15:10] <sil2100> - partman:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Learning how partman does partitioning
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Investigating the partman-auto autopartition magic
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Modifying partman-efi to save the number of ESPs found, using that in -auto
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Switchign the partman-auto recipes to create ESP on any label
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Lots and lots of testing on kvm
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Preparing SRUs for upload
[15:10] <sil2100> - grub --auto-nvram:
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Fixing regression with images cosmic images being unbootable on EFI
[15:10] <sil2100>   * Preparing all changes for SRUing into bionic
[15:10] <sil2100> (done)
[15:11] <rcj> rcj:
[15:11] <rcj> * Updated AutomaticSecurityUpdates wiki to describe how a user would determine if Unattended-Upgrade is enabled (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates#Determining_the_current_configuration)
[15:11] <rcj> * Cloud partner image analysis
[15:11] <rcj> * Cloud image preview build development for multiple envs
[15:11] <rcj> * Build system work
[15:11] <rcj> (done)
[15:11] <juliank> * new apt and python-apt 1.7.0~alpha1 releases (bug 1723761)
[15:11] <juliank> * new apt SRUs for bionic, artful, xenial; and verificiation of those (bug 1762766, bug 1778547, bug 1778551, bug 1766542, bug 1773992)
[15:11] <juliank> * wrestling with salsa.debian.org to get CI working there for bionic SRUs
[15:11] <juliank> * microcode packages now install all microcode to initramfs if MODULES=most (cosmic, SRUs pending)
[15:11] <juliank> * update-manager (1:18.10.3) for bug 1771914
[15:11] <juliank> * more work on https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/grub/+git/ubuntu/+merge/345403
[15:11] <juliank> * minor work on apt frontend locking
[15:11] <juliank> (done)
[15:11] <juliank> (ubottu done now too)
[15:11] <xnox> * Fixing systemd autopkgtest regressions in cosmic
[15:11] <xnox> looking much better now, still something odd with tests under
[15:11] <xnox> lxd (as executed on armhf)
[15:11] <xnox> did v239 merge, not uploaded as it has upstream regressions
[15:11] <xnox> * Working on adding vlan support to subiquity
[15:11] <xnox> * Uploaded new mdadm to unstable/cosmic
[15:11] <xnox> * Uploaded finalrd into ubuntu cosmic/NEW
[15:11] <xnox> * TODO new boost, in progress
[15:12] <xnox> done
[15:15] <slangasek> any questions on status?
[15:17] <slangasek> xnox: do we have a test case now for the systemd logind sru changes?
[15:17] <xnox> slangasek, yes
[15:18] <slangasek> thanks, I can re-review today then
[15:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:18] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:18]  * doko is leaving early form the meeting, see you later
[15:18] <bdmurray> bug 1778817 I see is in the general distro lane, should it get prioritized?
[15:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes
[15:19] <slangasek> sorry, I meant to do that already
[15:19] <bdmurray> and _inhibitIdle isn't doing the right thing for some reason?
[15:19] <slangasek> (done now)
[15:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: evidently not
[15:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: I raised it to willcooke, he was going to assign someone to look at it
[15:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: for which task?
[15:20]  * gaughen waves bye to doko
[15:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: that was unclear
[15:22] <bdmurray> rbalint what needs to happen with bug 1778219?
[15:22] <juliank> that should probably use systemd-inhibit too?
[15:23] <rbalint> juliank, how?
[15:23] <rbalint> imo upgrades during shutdown are never tested
[15:25] <juliank> I think it can use systemd inhibitors directly too
[15:25] <rbalint> i'm proposing a piuparts test testing upgrade during shutdown by extending https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=899000
[15:25] <juliank> Not sure how to verify
[15:25] <rbalint> this is for archive-wide coverage
[15:26] <rbalint> bdmurray, the specific fixes include deb-systemd-invoke skipping start during shutdown
[15:26] <rbalint> ... and fixing snapd calling systemctl
[15:27] <bdmurray> Do you we need to open an issue on the forum or whatever about that?
[15:28] <rbalint> bdmurray, i think there is not much to discuss regarding the fixes, but we can ask for volunteers to help fixing the individual packages faster
[15:29] <bdmurray> Okay, what packages need fixing?
[15:29] <bdmurray> Can we get the tasks recorded in the bug?
[15:30] <bdmurray> slangasek: What's going on with bug 1773859?
[15:30] <rbalint> bdmurray, init-system-helpers for sure, but i can't tell the full set
[15:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: I still have no idea how that system got into that state
[15:31] <slangasek> bdmurray: and I can't reproduce it in a pristine install
[15:31] <gaughen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/1777900
[15:31] <bdmurray> alright
[15:31] <cyphermox> oh, yay
[15:32] <bdmurray> rbalint: should we search for packages that call systemctl directly?
[15:33] <rbalint> bdmurray, lintian has a check  for that: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/maintainer-script-calls-systemctl.html
[15:33] <rbalint> bdmurray, but there are false positives and negatives there
[15:34]  * juliank tested the inhibiting for slangasek's bug, and found that gnome-session-inhibit should work, and adding systemd-inhibit would do nothing
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^
[15:34] <rbalint> bdmurray, piuparts would be more accurate
[15:34] <juliank> (more details in bug comment)
[15:35] <bdmurray> juliank: great, thanks
[15:35] <bdmurray> that's it for bugs today
[15:36] <slangasek> alright
[15:36] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:36] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:36] <bdmurray> I'll be out tomorrow
[15:36] <slangasek> lots of holidays next week
[15:37] <slangasek> Canaday on Monday
[15:37] <slangasek> the 4th of July on the 4th of July
[15:37] <cyphermox> ah?
[15:37] <cyphermox> there's no other name for it?
[15:37] <infinity> slangasek: You should consider moving the 4th of July to the 1st.
[15:37] <cyphermox> USADAY or something
[15:38] <bdmurray> I thought it was Independence Day
[15:38] <slangasek> but no holidays colliding with this meeting on Thursday
[15:38] <infinity> cyphermox: Independence Day, but that's consufing cause it's also a classic film/
[15:38] <slangasek> cyphermox: what bdmurray said
[15:38] <infinity> confusing, too.
[15:38] <cyphermox> infinity: heh, it's a day you can watch that movie and do fireworks and whatever the "Americans" do then
[15:38] <juliank> only confusing if you don't watch independency day on independency day
[15:38] <juliank> ugh, typo
[15:40] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 15:40:13 2018 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-06-28-15.00.moin.txt
[15:40] <slangasek> thanks, all


[01:06] <pmatulis> say i merge 2 local branches and then a commit and finally a push to launchpad.  how do i back all that out?  i made a mistake on my commit message
[01:07] <wgrant> You should usually never change history that you've pushed, as it makes life difficult for others.
[01:07] <wgrant> But if it's just a personal branch that nobody's likely to have seen, you can 'bzr uncommit' locally, then commit again and 'bzr push --overwrite'
[01:07] <pmatulis> ok
[01:09] <pmatulis> thanks
[05:07] <PenguinDeveloper> hey guys im really hoping someone here can help me ahha...
[18:55] <Rochvellon> hi. is it possible to undelete code if this was deleted on launchpad?
[21:13] <wgrant> Rochvellon: It may be possible in some circumstances. Can you explain the situation?


[02:50] <docjay> just installed edubuntu but no there ends up being no desktop, just wallpaper
[02:51] <docjay> is there a driver issue possibly?


[06:30] <veebers> didrocks: ping
[06:30] <didrocks> veebers: pong
[06:32] <veebers> didrocks: Good morning. Hey I was running some Unity tests in my Saucy VM to test some Autopilot changes. I appear to be getting some crashes with nautilus (and maybe compiz?). Have you seen the same recently?
[06:32] <didrocks> veebers: there are some known nautilus crashes
[06:32] <didrocks> veebers: but it's they should be fixed with latest gtk
[06:32] <veebers> didrocks: ah ok, thanks for confirming :-)
[06:32] <didrocks> veebers: btw, can we remove the autopilot ppa?
[06:33] <didrocks> veebers: as you daily release to distro, it's not needed anymore
[06:33] <didrocks> veebers: also, fixing the autopilot tests failing would help to get the latest version to distro :)
[06:33] <veebers> didrocks: remove the actual ppa or remove the need for it in the job?
[06:33] <didrocks> veebers: remove the need for it in the job
[06:34] <didrocks> veebers: for the failures: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/182/ (since yesterday)
[06:35] <veebers> didrocks: ugh, I hadn't realised they were failing :-P Yeah I'll make sure we're on it (sorry)
[06:35] <didrocks> veebers: no worry, thanks!
[06:36] <veebers> didrocks: they weren't failing for me today (on my raring) I wonder if it's nautilus related. nvm, I'll look into it
[06:37] <veebers> didrocks: to confirm, you're asking me to remove the autopilot ppa adding step from the script used in the Unity AP job right?
[06:38] <didrocks> veebers: hum? we don't use that script anymore for otto
[06:38] <didrocks> veebers: just don't dput on the ppa
[06:38] <didrocks> veebers: you should use saucy btw :p
[06:39] <veebers> didrocks: ah yeah sorry, out of touch with otto :-P
[06:39] <veebers> and very good point about Saucy, I'll be upgrading this weekend
[06:42] <didrocks> veebers: so, I meant you don't need a staging ppa with latest trunk I guess
[06:42] <veebers> didrocks: ah, understood now
[06:42] <didrocks> veebers: https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/cupstream2distro-config/update-autopilot-qt-ppa/+merge/170708
[06:48] <veebers> didrocks: ack
[08:40] <sil2100> veebers, thomi: hi! I noticed some failures in the autopilot autopilot tests
[08:40] <sil2100> veebers, thomi: you guys know any reasons for those?
[08:42] <didrocks> mhr3: around?
[08:42] <didrocks> mhr3: I think we have a blocked autopilot run, (running for 4 hours, so still one hour of debugging available :))
[08:43] <didrocks> mhr3: ati machine
[08:43] <mhr3> didrocks, k, will look into it, in a hangout now
[08:43] <mzanetti> sil2100: if its autopilot-qt its because qemu segfaults when using a QQuickView
[08:43] <mzanetti> sil2100: if you're talking about python-autopilot I don't know
[08:45] <didrocks> mhr3: so, I confirm, just one hour from now :)
[08:46] <sil2100> mzanetti: hm, I don't think it's the case here - I see a UInputError('"/dev/uinput" does not exist or is not a character device file - verify that the uinput module is loaded',) error
[08:46] <mzanetti> sil2100: where does that happen?
[08:47] <sil2100> mzanetti: autopilot autopilot tests:
[08:47] <sil2100> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/182/
[08:47] <mzanetti> sil2100: that means in a VM on desktop?
[08:47] <sil2100> Yes
[08:48] <mzanetti> sil2100: hmm... so probably uinput module is not there indeed? also maybe check permissions. try adding a chmod 666 /dev/uinput before the test runs
[08:54] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, any luck with the launcher stuff?
[08:55] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: not with the rotation... I think I need to strech the image because design wants that unrealistic perspective view on the tiles
[08:56] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, could scale it from the centre point without a shader I guess. I think it might look strange with the entire tile scaling though...
[08:57] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah... need to play around with...
[08:59] <nic-doffay> Saviq, any chance to look at my branch yet. I've had no luck with it.
[09:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mzanetti, can you help nic-doffay please?
[09:00] <mzanetti> Saviq: yes sir!
[09:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: what branch?
[09:00] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you take care of it?
[09:00] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, one sec
[09:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ack
[09:00] <tsdgeos> greatz
[09:01] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, lp:~nicolas-doffay/unity/messaging-modifications
[09:01] <nic-doffay> Be sure to have demo assets too.
[09:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, there was a "please" at the end of it ;)
[09:01] <mzanetti> Saviq: hehe
[09:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, but thanks you took it like a man
[09:01] <nic-doffay> Saviq, >_<
[09:02] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the main changes are in HeroMessage and IndicatorPage
[09:02] <nic-doffay> A bug is resulting from the changes now which I can't pin point anywhere. I've browsed a lot of code in search of it.
[09:03] <nic-doffay> Select an item in the messages, scroll down past it and deselect. You'll see it scrolls the list back up and selects the first item. This is the piece of code I cannot find perhaps it's part of the Ubuntu component itself?
[09:03] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ^
[09:04] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: one step back...
[09:04] <mzanetti> what is this about?
[09:04] <tsdgeos> what, suddenly my applications is emtpy on the lvwph branch :-/
[09:04]  * tsdgeos tries to find out why
[09:04] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: the indicators messaging menu?
[09:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah.
[09:05] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so I need a phone and generate some messages somehow to reproduce/see it?
[09:05] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah
[09:05] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok... how do you generate messages?
[09:05] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, phablet-demo-setup will provide messages
[09:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's a script from phablet-tools
[09:07]  * mzanetti didn't know about phablet-demo-setup
[09:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, you don't demo much :)
[09:07] <mzanetti> indeed
[09:08] <mzanetti> I try to dogfood tho... and badly fail because my Nexus4 only has 3 hours battery lifetime with Ubuntu Touch :(
[09:09] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, Galaxy Nexus battery life seems a hell of a lot better after the newest flash.
[09:09] <mzanetti> yeah... the Galaxy Nexus doesn't seem to suffer that bug where unity8 spins on 40% CPU all the time
[09:09] <mzanetti> its only the Nexus4
[09:11] <dednick> Cimi: ping
[09:15] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok. preapared a device with messages
[09:16] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: now what?
[09:16] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, go to the messages menu
[09:16] <nic-doffay> Select say the second one.
[09:16] <nic-doffay> Scroll down to the bottom.
[09:16] <nic-doffay> Then press somewhere which should deselect the item.
[09:17] <nic-doffay> Instead it scroll back to the top and focuses on the index at the top.
[09:17] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, if you do this without scrolling down you'll see it deselects the item correctly then you're able to select another without any worry.
[09:17] <tsdgeos> and now i can't repro it :-/
[09:18] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: can't reproduce that
[09:19] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: opened the messaging menu, clicked on the "Otto Greenslade" message => it expands
[09:20] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: now scrolling down to bottom
[09:20] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, are you running the branch?
[09:20] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: clicking on "Ellen Arnold" => that message expands
[09:20] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: scrolling back up to beggining, the other message is collapsed as I'd expect it
[09:21] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: running a stock image flashed yesterday night
[09:21] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, you need to run my branch.
[09:21] <nic-doffay> That has the changes which cause this bug.
[09:21] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ah... so you introduced that bug... I see. I thought you were supposed to fix an existing one
[09:22] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, negative. I'm doing changes based on a design doc which weren't implemented yet.
[09:22] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, with the flashed image you noticed it selects another item immediately, right?
[09:22] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah
[09:23] <nic-doffay> With my changes when you select another item it first deselects the selected item. Then when you press again it selects another.
[09:23] <nic-doffay> This is the change which has introduced the bug.
[09:23] <mzanetti> uh... thats wanted by design?
[09:23] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, although I can't find any code (after commenting out a lot of stuff and looking) which deals with a refocus on the first index.
[09:23] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah
[09:23] <mzanetti> :(
[09:24] <mzanetti> will cause people to tap on messages getting angry because they only expand sometimes
[09:27] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok. got it working now... had to merge trunk
[09:27] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I see. while there is an expanded one, all the others are "inactive". that improves things I guess.
[09:28] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: anywys, I can reproduce the issue now. will come back to you in a sec
[09:45] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so...
[09:45] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: in HeroMessage.qml
[09:45] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: in onClicked you call "if (!messageActivated) activateMenu()"
[09:45] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: thing is, menuActivated is always false
[09:46] <mzanetti> => you call activateMenu always which makes it scroll up
[09:46] <mzanetti> no sure why it actually collapses
[09:47] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, hmm
[09:51] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: there is something badly wrong with this
[09:53] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786370
[09:53] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I get onStateChanged that state changed to "expanded". in onClicked: I print the state and its ""
[09:54]  * mzanetti is puzzled+
[09:54] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, in HeroMessage
[09:57] <seb128> smspillaz, hey, do you have any idea why the limitation described there is in compiz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1159430/comments/15 ?
[09:58] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, trying to get my branch to run again today, just running into some probs, going to have a look myself.
[09:58] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: if you merged your branch with trunk you need a freshly flashed device
[10:02] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, doing it now.
[10:02] <smspillaz> seb128: not sure off the top of my head, I can have a brief look into it
[10:03] <smspillaz> seb128: does this version of nautilus use an argb window ?
[10:03] <seb128> smspillaz, yes
[10:04] <seb128> smspillaz, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691359
[10:04] <seb128> smspillaz, they changed nautilus to display icons on a rgba win
[10:04] <seb128> smspillaz, and made gnome-shell draw the background
[10:04] <smspillaz> ah okay, cool
[10:04] <seb128> but things don't work well with compiz :/
[10:04] <smspillaz> indeed, we assume all desktop windows are rgb
[10:05] <seb128> it's blocking the rgba win
[10:05] <seb128> if the limitation is there I guess there is a reason?
[10:06] <smspillaz> yes - if those pixels are not touched by a window they remain on the backbuffer between paints
[10:06] <smspillaz> seb128: so my understanding is that the desired path for handling this is to have compiz draw the wallpaper, yes ?
[10:07] <seb128> smspillaz, correct
[10:07] <seb128> well, first idea was to go back to let g-s-d do it
[10:07] <seb128> but having compiz/unity do it in the long run would be goo
[10:07] <seb128> good
[10:08] <smspillaz> should be relatively straightforward
[10:08] <smspillaz> it already has code to draw wallpapers
[10:08] <seb128> I tried the wallpaper plugin
[10:08] <seb128> but that draws on top of the nautilus icons
[10:10] <smspillaz> seb128: the wallpaper plugin creates a fake desktop window if it thinks that there isn't one
[10:10] <smspillaz> as long as nautilus creates a window that has the hint _NET_WM_TYPE_DESKTOP set in its _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE it should work
[10:10] <smspillaz> I'm just checking to see if core ignores desktop windows that have an alpha channel
[10:11] <smspillaz> otherwise I just need to fix the wallpaper plugin to draw the background at the right stage, of which it may not be doing at the moment
[10:13] <dednick> Saviq: ping
[10:13] <smspillaz> seb128: is it possible for me to build this version of nautilus directly from git ?
[10:13] <Saviq> dednick, pong
[10:13] <dednick> Saviq: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5786411/
[10:13] <dednick> getting some weird dep error
[10:15] <seb128> smspillaz, sure, it's nautilus 3.8
[10:15] <seb128> smspillaz, you have it in there if you prefer a ppa: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages?field.name_filter=nautilus
[10:15] <smspillaz> seb128: ah cool, I'll just dist-upgrade then
[10:16] <smspillaz> seb128: this one will use the argb window right ?
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, remove libhud-client1-dev
[10:16] <seb128> smspillaz, yes
[10:16] <Saviq> dednick, and `apt-cache policy libhud-client1-dev` to find out if you have it in a ppa somewhere
[10:17] <Saviq> and remove that ppa
[10:19] <smspillaz> be back in like 30 minutes
[10:20] <seb128> smspillaz, can you drop the rgb limitation as well? even if we use compiz's wallpaper plugin, I would like g-s-d rendering to work as well (especially as a fallback since it has been proved hard to add compiz plugins to config on upgrade)
[10:21] <dednick> Saviq: ta. seems to have resolved.
[10:22] <mhr3_> didrocks, guess i'm late already/
[10:22] <mhr3_> ?
[10:47] <smspillaz> seb128: I don't think the rgb limitation is related to what you want to do
[10:48] <nic-doffay> Saviq, what's changed with build -s lately?
[10:48] <smspillaz> seb128: If you want to use gnome-settings-daemon to set the wallpaper (and I assume that it uses XSetWindowBackground on the root window) then all we need to do is make it so that an argb desktop window is not detected as a desktop window
[10:49] <Saviq> nic-doffay, should work the same
[10:49] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you can `rm -R ../unity_build`
[10:49] <smspillaz> that way you'll get nautilus drawing the icons and compiz will use the root window wallpaper
[10:49] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and a ./build --setup; ./build --clean is needed once
[10:49] <Saviq> nic-doffay, then, ./build is enough
[10:49] <Saviq> but it should also take much shorter to ./build -s
[10:50] <smspillaz> seb128: in any event, adding new compiz plugins is not a particularly difficult exercise, just drop a settings upgrade into /usr/share/compizconfig-1/upgrades
[10:53] <smspillaz> seb128: a word of warning: if you want this to work both *with* and *without* the wallpaper plugin I'll need to break the ABI
[11:00] <nic-doffay> Saviq, when I try run_on_device ./run: 71: ./run: ./builddir/unity8: not found
[11:04] <seb128> smspillaz, "then all we need to do is make it so that an argb desktop window is not detected as a desktop window" seems like what we want then
[11:04] <seb128> smspillaz, did you seem adam-yorba's patch on the bug I pointed before?
[11:04] <seb128> he did a small hack to compiz that fixed it for him
[11:05] <seb128> smspillaz, I would prefer use g-s-d rather than compiz's plugin, but that mostly because I'm being cautious and going for a codebase we have used for years and I know is doing what we want
[11:05] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I think I'm having packaging issues again for some reason.
[11:06] <nic-doffay> Saviq, qmenumodel isn't found.
[11:09] <smspillaz> 1
[11:09] <smspillaz> oops
[11:09] <smspillaz> seb128: okay, we'll go with the g-s-d approach
[11:09] <seb128> smspillaz, thanks
[11:10] <sil2100> mzanetti: hi!
[11:10] <smspillaz> seb128: I did see adam's patch - its not the right approach. Its just a workaround to make the wallpaper-plugin created desktop window fully trasparent so that nautilus isn't marked as occluded during the paint pass
[11:10] <sil2100> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/indicators-client/fix_dependencies/+merge/170785 <- does this make sense to you?
[11:10] <smspillaz> (though say I said thanks for the effort :))
[11:10] <seb128> smspillaz, k
[11:11] <mzanetti> dednick: can you have a look at sil2100's MR ^^
[11:11] <mzanetti> sil2100: I think indicators-client is not used any more
[11:11] <mzanetti> sil2100: but dednick should know for sure whats going in
[11:11] <mzanetti> s/in/on/
[11:11] <smspillaz> seb128: how do I change the background using g-s-d ?
[11:12] <seb128> smspillaz, you need a patched g-s-d
[11:12] <mzanetti> sil2100: afaik indicators-client is integrated into the shell now. not sure if that work is already completed tho
[11:12] <smspillaz> seb128: do you know if its just the same as what xsetroot does ?
[11:13] <seb128> smspillaz, if you want to patch gsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5786515/
[11:13] <dednick> mzanetti, sil2100: looks fine. At the moment, it's still used.
[11:13] <sil2100> mzanetti: well, it's still not merged in, we talked yesterday about that with dednick
[11:13] <seb128> basically it has a check "don't duplicate nautilus work, so don't draw if nautilus does"
[11:13] <sil2100> mzanetti: so it's used
[11:13] <sil2100> dednick, mzanetti: can anyone approve?
[11:14] <mzanetti> dednick: I'm not up-to-date with this stuff. can you please take care of it ^?
[11:14] <dednick> sil2100: although they're more "recommended", they're not dependant.
[11:15] <dednick> but it wont work without. so...
[11:15] <dednick> sil2100, mzanetti: approved
[11:16] <sil2100> \o/ Thanks!
[11:18] <seb128> smspillaz, not sure what is used, it seems to go through libgnome-desktop and cairo
[11:19] <smspillaz> seb128: ok
[11:19] <smspillaz> seb128: one last question
[11:19] <smspillaz> seb128: how do I get this version of nautilus to actually ... draw icons
[11:19] <smspillaz> (on the argb desktop window)
[11:21] <seb128> smspillaz, it should do by default
[11:21] <seb128> smspillaz, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons ?
[11:21] <seb128> that should be true
[11:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, hmm, qmenumodel-qml is in distro
[11:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, `apt-cache policy qmenumodel-qml`
[11:23] <nic-doffay> Saviq, Installed: 0.2.6daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[11:23] <Saviq> nic-doffay, same here
[11:24] <Saviq> nic-doffay, what's your log output, then/
[11:24] <Saviq> ?
[11:25] <nic-doffay> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/93221/
[11:27] <Saviq> nic-doffay, libqmenumodel-dev should help
[11:27] <Saviq> nic-doffay, checking why this isn't in our build deps
[11:28] <Saviq> nic-doffay, ah, you're working off of dednick's branch?
[11:29] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you might need to merge his branch, libqmenumodel-dev is in build deps there
[11:29] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yeah
[11:29] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and ./build should install it
[11:29] <nic-doffay> Saviq, kk
[11:29] <Saviq> nic-doffay, /me checks, too
[11:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, ah, remove your builddir
[11:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and ./build should work again (if you have the latest from dednick's branch)
[11:32] <Saviq> nic-doffay, aah, actualy
[11:33] <Saviq> nic-doffay, dednick, please merge trunk in your indicators-client branch
[11:33] <Saviq> nic-doffay, as there's been changes to the build scripts that you could benefit from
[11:34] <Saviq> nic-doffay, in the mean time `mk-build-deps -i -s sudo`
[11:38] <dednick> Saviq: doing now
[11:40] <nic-doffay> dednick, let me know when it's pushed...
[11:40] <dednick> nic-doffay: pushed
[11:42] <mhr3_> Saviq, i had some trouble with running unity8 on the desktop yesterday, first it complained that Panel is not known from DashBar.qml, so i added a import "../Panel", that helped, but then it got stuck in a dbus call coming from nm-glib cause it complained that it already has the name that got requested (cause the panel was instantiated twice?), so i just commented out the Panel from DashBar.qml completely and then it worked
[11:42] <mhr3_> Saviq, and now, what's the proper solution to these issues? :)
[11:42] <Saviq> mhr3_, is that lp:unity/8.0?
[11:42] <mhr3_> Saviq, yep
[11:42] <Saviq> mhr3_, that shouldn't happen there
[11:43] <mhr3_> Saviq, maybe i was missing a dep?
[11:43] <Saviq> mhr3_, ah wait
[11:43] <mhr3_> i'm still on R
[11:43] <Saviq> mhr3_, wha!?
[11:43] <Saviq> mhr3_, ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team
[11:43] <mhr3_> let me check if i have that
[11:43] <Saviq> mhr3_, ./build should add it
[11:44] <mhr3_> Saviq, i don't like ./build :P
[11:45] <mhr3_> yea, got disabled when i upgraded to R, will try if it helps
[11:45] <Saviq> mhr3_, should, it wants "Panel" from the SDK, not from unity8
[11:45] <Saviq> mhr3_, and you instantiated Panel twice
[11:46] <mhr3_> Saviq, aaah, now it makes sense :)
[11:55] <tsdgeos> compiz/unity does weird corruption things to my qt based apps
[11:55] <tsdgeos> in saucy
[11:55] <tsdgeos> like the selection colors get garbage and stuff
[11:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, compiz/unity hates Qt :P
[11:55] <tsdgeos> anyone aware of that?
[11:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we're fixing that with unity8, thouhg :D
[11:56] <Saviq> *cough* *cough*
[11:56] <Saviq> though
[11:56] <tsdgeos> :D
[11:57] <tsdgeos> or it may be the qtgtkstyle
[11:57] <tsdgeos> which actually it'd make some more sense
[11:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh, about that, it got fixed for me
[11:57] <tsdgeos> than compiz/unity being the ones causing it
[11:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, until tomorrow or so Qt apps were ugly (tk style)
[11:57] <tsdgeos> no, i have the same style i ha before
[11:57] <tsdgeos> but some of the "paintings" go crazy at times
[11:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and it fixed after an update
[11:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, but might be related
[11:58] <tsdgeos> awesome, taking a snapshot made it go away :D
[11:58] <tsdgeos> some sort of refresh or something :D
[12:02] <mzanetti> my shell is constantly segfaulting in libhud-client2
[12:02] <mzanetti> anything known already?
[12:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, as in unity8?
[12:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: yes
[12:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, no, not known
[12:17] <smspillaz> seb128: thanks, just building and testing a quick fix now
[12:17] <seb128> smspillaz, great, thanks for working on that ;-)
[12:22] <Saviq> ugh! I can't type diacritics in unity7 dash
[12:23] <Saviq> compose works, but not AltGr
[12:33] <tsdgeos> Saviq: altgr is a gtk thing, dash is not gtk, is it?
[12:33] <tsdgeos> lunch!
[12:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what do you mean a gtk thing?! it's an "everywhere" thing
[12:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's just a pl layout - I write łóśąćżźńę
[12:44] <Saviq> with altgr
[12:44] <Saviq> breakfast!
[12:46] <sil2100> Indeed, that doesn't work anymore
[12:46] <sil2100> That's clearly a bug!
[12:56] <sil2100> tedg: hi!
[12:56]  * tedg hides
[12:56] <sil2100> !
[12:56] <sil2100> ;)
[12:56] <sil2100> I feel bad now!
[12:57] <Magicarp> Yesterday I update manager upgraded some packages. But my desktop froze and I couldn't switch tty so I forced shutdown'd. The window manager now loads but unity does not.
[12:57] <sil2100> tedg: not sure if you'll know how to help here, but we're getting an unit test failure for libdbusmenu for armhf - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4733356
[12:57] <Magicarp> I've ran synaptic but there's no mention of any botched packages so presumbly everything upgraded correcltly.
[12:58] <sil2100> It started happening after fix LP: #1154701 I suppose? It landed yesterday
[12:58] <tedg> sil2100, Yeah, that'd be my guess.
[12:58] <tedg> sil2100, Do we have any output?
[12:58] <tedg> Seems like something is swallowing all the test ouput.
[12:59] <tedg> pinging charles so he comes and visits when he gets in :-)
[12:59] <sil2100> tedg: not sure how we can get any, since it's LP
[13:00] <tedg> Yeah, curious why Jenkins isn't grabbing this as well.
[13:00] <tedg> Hmm, seems it's only on amd64
[13:01] <didrocks> mmrazik: thanks!
[13:04] <Magicarp> in ccsm it appears unity is un-checked. Checking it just unloads the window manager and doesn't bring unity back
[13:10] <Saviq> sil2100, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1193360
[13:10] <greyback> Magicarp: "unity --reset" help at all? that resets unity's config, in case something confuses it
[13:10] <sil2100> Thanks!
[13:11] <sil2100> tedg: yep, it's strange...
[13:11] <dandrader> greyback, "Reset is not supported anymore.   Were things failing?  Or, why is that?
[13:16] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you do that altgr thing in Qt apps?
[13:16] <tsdgeos> doh
[13:16] <tsdgeos> ignore me
[13:16] <tsdgeos> i thought you meant windows-like things
[13:16] <tsdgeos> like alt+154
[13:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, nah
[13:16] <tsdgeos> that afair works in gtk
[13:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that I can do with Compose
[13:17] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but if you type AltGr+w
[13:17] <Saviq> you should get ł
[13:17] <tsdgeos> sure
[13:17] <tsdgeos> ł
[13:17] <Saviq> at least english layouts do
[13:17] <Saviq> yeah
[13:17] <tsdgeos> it's how i get the arrows :D
[13:17] <Saviq> yeah exactly
[13:17] <tsdgeos> ←↓→↑
[13:17] <Saviq> you can't do them in dash
[13:17] <tsdgeos> right
[13:19] <greyback> dandrader: ah news to me. Another old reliable gone :(
[13:32] <greyback> come on mumble
[13:32] <Saviq> Cimi, standup
[13:33] <Saviq> greyback, we'll start
[13:34] <smspillaz> seb128: working great here now
[13:35] <seb128> smspillaz, \o/
[13:35] <smspillaz> seb128: btw, maybe it might be worth considering having compiz handle the wallpaper - you can implement stuff like per workspace wallpapers with it
[13:35] <smspillaz> seb128: gets you closer to the design spec anwyays
[13:35] <greyback> gah
[13:35] <greyback> Saviq: go ahead
[13:36] <seb128> smspillaz, right, one step at the time ... let's give the compiz plugin some testing to see how it behaves and it supports all our option (like solor color backgrounds)
[13:36] <seb128> smspillaz, does it read the GNOME gsettings background key?
[13:37] <seb128> smspillaz, if it works fine I'm happy to switch
[13:37] <seb128> smspillaz, but when I tried it was not even picking my selected wallpaper, I had to pick one through ccsm
[13:38] <smspillaz> seb128: there'd need to be some kind of integration story
[13:38] <smspillaz> but still: http://i.imgur.com/WZYOs1v.jpg
[13:39] <seb128> smspillaz, yeah, as said I'm fine with using it ... once it's integrated with our config tools
[13:39] <smspillaz> in any case, I have it working with and without the wallpaper plugin
[13:39] <smspillaz> I probably won't have time to implement the integration story, but its up for grabs if someone is interested
[13:40] <smspillaz> the only caveat is that if you want to use transparent cube or curved expo you need to use the wallpaper plugin as the default renderer in compiz will draw the wallpaper in a way that doesn't allow for transformations
[13:41] <sil2100> tedg: hm, any luck? :)
[13:41] <seb128> smspillaz, ok, noted, maybe MCR wants to pick the integration work ;-)
[13:42] <seb128> smspillaz, do you have a mr with your compiz changes?
[13:42] <tedg> sil2100, I think we're going to have to kick it in on Jenkins, I wanted to see if there was a reason alesage had it disabled before turning it on.
[13:42] <tedg> sil2100, It's still a bit early for him, probably in a little bit.
[13:46] <mterry> dednick, heyo!  let's talk plugins
[13:46] <dednick> mterry: ok sure.
[13:46] <mterry> dednick, so what were you saying that the mock plugin did wrong?  Exported the wrong thing?
[13:47] <dandrader> any taker for reviewing this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/8_dragHandle/+merge/170172
[13:47] <dednick> mterry: so, the UserModel in plugins/LightDM creates a QLightDM::UsersModel, which is defined in tests/mocks/LightDM
[13:48] <mterry> dednick, sure yup
[13:48] <dednick> mterry: and mocks/LightDM creates UserModel private data (which contains the mock into) from tests/mocks/LightDM/[demo|full|single|etc].
[13:49]  * mterry nods
[13:50] <dednick> but mocks/LightDM is also linked to MockLightDM-demo
[13:50] <dednick> so it always uses the demo profile.
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, plugins/LightDM is statically linked to demo/
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, mocks/LightDM is dynamically linked to liblightdm-qt5-2.so, wherever it finds it
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, that's where LD_LIBRARY_PATH comes in
[13:51] <mterry> dednick, the expectation is you point to the backend data you want with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[13:52] <mterry> dednick, you can see this happening in tests/qmltests/CMakeLists.txt
[13:52] <mterry> each test points to its desired backend
[13:52] <dednick> mterry: i understand the intent, but i can't seem to get it working
[13:52] <greyback> mhr3_: ping
[13:53] <mterry> dednick, if you ldd on the mocks/LightDM plugin, is there a line that points at liblightdm-qt5-2
[13:53] <mterry> ?
[13:54] <mhr3_> greyback, pong
[13:54] <dednick> mterry: yes. not found.
[13:54] <mterry> dednick, good, that's expected
[13:54] <greyback> mhr3_: hey, when application is started, zeitgeist is notified somewhere. I guess there's code in gtk that sends that notification. Any idea where I'd find it?
[13:55] <mterry> dednick, so how are you running unity that you end up with the demo one?  (sounds like you're running with the plugins/LightDM plugin rather than the tests/mocks/LightDM one)
[13:55] <mhr3_> greyback, it's deep inside gio
[13:55] <mhr3_> in g_app_info_launch iirc
[13:55] <greyback> mhr3_: thanks, I'll check it out
[13:57] <dednick> mterry: ahh. i see. you including the source from plugin/LightDM into the mock/LightDM
[13:57] <dednick> missed that bit
[13:57] <mterry> dednick, yeah, there are two actual LightDM plugins (temporary solution really, until we can actually lilnk with lightdm)
[13:58] <dednick> mterry: yeah. i didnt realise that you were including the source. I was looking for the type registration in mock/LightDM
[13:58] <dednick> it's a bit criss-cross
[13:59] <mhr3_> greyback, grep for org.gtk.gio.DesktopAppInfo
[13:59] <mterry> dednick, no reason to dupe code!  :)
[14:00] <dandrader> Saviq? -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/8_dragHandle/+merge/170172
[14:01] <dandrader> would you have time for this one on Monday?
[14:01] <Saviq> dandrader, will try, still have dednick's 8k monstrosity to finish
[14:01] <Saviq> apart from everything else
[14:01] <Saviq> dandrader, but will try to squeeze in
[14:01] <dandrader> Saviq, ah, ok. will bug someone else then
[14:02]  * dandrader looks for the next victim
[14:02] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, if someone else gets to it before me, let them have it
[14:03] <dandrader> mzanetti!
[14:03] <Saviq> dandrader, should've added "my friend" ;)
[14:03] <smspillaz> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1159430/+merge/170822
[14:04]  * Saviq likes deflecting bugs to other projects
[14:04] <seb128> smspillaz, thanks
[14:04] <smspillaz> np
[14:05] <smspillaz> seb128: btw, now that compiz is drawing the wallpaper (just in core and not with the wallpaper plugin) we can do some cool things if we override that behavior in unity
[14:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, ping
[14:05] <smspillaz> might be worth having people look into doing a nice fade in on login or something
[14:05] <smspillaz> though I guess we could already do that
[14:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, do you have the link to the last diff of yesterday I sent you with the lismodel?
[14:05] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock: ^ what smspillaz just said ;-)
[14:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, I'm on a different pc and it's just outside my backlog :(
[14:05] <Cimi> it didn't push correctly this morning, and I'm in the office
[14:06] <Cimi> on a different c
[14:06] <Cimi> *pc
[14:06] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock: if one of you do compiz review, would be nice to have that one added to your list
[14:06] <Trevinho> seb128, smspillaz oh, nice
[14:07] <seb128> Trevinho, that will be useful for nautilus 3.8, they moved to make nautilus desktop a rgba and have the shell draw the wallpaper image
[14:07] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've noticed that... We were discussing with andyrock as well
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: is nautilus 3.8 planned for S?
[14:08] <seb128> sil2100, ^
[14:08] <smspillaz> racarr: remember all the nautilus patching we had to do to get per workspace wallpapers in compiz in like ... 2006? gnome just upstreamed the same capability in 2013 :p
[14:09] <Trevinho> smspillaz: it's seems like a "Win" at the end! :)
[14:11] <sil2100> ;)
[14:11] <smspillaz> ah 2006
[14:11] <smspillaz> I'm pretty sure racarr and I were like
[14:11] <smspillaz> 12
[14:12] <dednick> mterry: thanks. firgured out my issues. had paths in incorrect order.
[14:12] <mterry> dednick, cool
[14:12] <Trevinho> smspillaz: I was exactly thinking the same... I wouldn't have been able to do such things when I was 12 I think... I was too much soccer-only-addicted at the time :)
[14:14] <Cimi> Saviq, do you have the link to the paste bin diff I pasted yesterday evening here?
[14:15] <smspillaz> Trevinho: so I had the opposite problem, by age 12, I was sick of soccer :po
[14:15] <Cimi> the last one
[14:15] <smspillaz> could never score a goal
[14:17] <Saviq> Cimi, looking
[14:17] <Cimi> thx
[14:17] <Cimi> it's just outside my backlog
[14:17] <andyrock> seb128, smspillaz, Trevinho I'm back
[14:17] <andyrock> :D
[14:18] <Trevinho> sil2100: eheh...
[14:19] <Saviq> Cimi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784036/
[14:19] <Cimi> Saviq, amazing thanks!
[14:23] <sil2100> Trevinho: what's up?
[14:24] <Trevinho> sil2100: ops... sorry, wrong ping, I meant smspillaz :)
[14:36] <mzanetti> Cimi: sorry. was away for food and just returned now
[14:38] <sil2100> tedg: is alesage already up?
[14:41] <tedg> sil2100, Not sure, he's a bachelor, we should get him a puppy for Christmas.
[14:43] <sil2100> alesage: ping :)
[14:55] <alesage> sil2100, hi
[14:58] <sil2100> alesage: hello! Actually, tedg needed you, since he wants to debug an unit test issue from a package that I pointed him to
[14:59] <sil2100> alesage: and I guess he needs an armhf build of something in jenkins?
[14:59] <sil2100> tedg: ^
[14:59] <alesage> tedg can this be true?
[15:00] <tedg> alesage, Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps
[15:00] <tedg> alesage, dbusmenu, and a couple others aren't doing ARM today.
[15:00] <tedg> alesage, I wanted to enable them, but I wasn't sure if there was a reason they were off.
[15:00] <alesage> tedg I was just reviewing 'em all, will report later today
[15:01] <tedg> alesage, Can we turn on dbusmenu first?  :-)
[15:01] <alesage> tedg ok dbusmenu first
[15:02] <tedg> alesage, Thanks!
[15:03] <charles> tedg: thanks for the ping on LP: #1154701
[15:03] <seb128> tedg, can't you just use a porter box?
[15:04] <seb128> tedg, sil2100: btw I built libdbusmenu trunk on porter earlier, tests fail but in random way, I got glib tests failing here
[15:04] <tedg> seb128, Eh, I guess... haven't done that for a very long time... :-)
[15:04] <tedg> seb128, Do you think it's a timeout issue then?
[15:04] <seb128> tedg, I don't know, those tests are not very verbose on why they fail :/
[15:06] <seb128> tedg, do you need help using the porter box?
[15:14] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, I've been working on a nux fix for lp: #1167018. You reviewed it for me a few days ago. Should it not be a quilt patch? Do I need to worry about CLA's and such?
[15:15] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: it would be nice if we can merge it to trunk, but to get that we need you to sign the CLA...
[15:18] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, whether the Canonical one or the Inalogic one that would be a problem for me. Where is the trunk? Can you still use a patch from me or should I just describe what needs to be done?
[15:18] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: trunk is at lp:nux... If you don't want do sign the Canonical CLA, we need to keep your patch as a distro patch I guess
[15:19] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: however, in any case you'd need to fix the blur so that it won't change for other users
[15:24] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, ok. The question is how to change the blur. The current one doubles up the the outside weights and doesn't run any faster than a non linear sampler one (for the same reason). The overweighting of the outside samples makes the blur stronger than a real gaussian blur. We could try to discriminate hardware, use the fixed one with a bigger sigma, or change what I did to try to emulate the weighting of the current one. What's t
[15:24] <jsjgruber-x-p> he best choice?
[15:25] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: making it more weight I guess could lead to some slowdown...
[15:26] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: so, we need to keep the same speed or to improve it if possible, but without changing the visual result
[15:26] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, no, should be same speed--faster than the current  one.
[15:27] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, ok, I'll try to do that and build it again for you to test on your hardware. Since I have the problematic hardware I can't do before/after on my system.
[15:29] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: fine... Otherwise detecting problematic hardware is something easily feasible?
[15:32] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, I don't know how to fetch the hardware type from nux. I know that unity looks at the opengl level to decide on the blur sigma--we could easily switch on the amount of sigma as an expression of of how powerful the hardware is likely to be. Somebody else may know how to determine the hardware. There are three types of hardware mentioned in the bug.
[15:36] <mhr3_> tedg, ping
[15:36] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, do you know if there is a time or other limit on how long a shader could run that causes my machines shaders to fail to blur with 19 texture fetches per direction while it can do 11?
[15:37] <tedg> mhr3_, !
[15:37] <mhr3_> tedg, i remember there was a discussion in oakland re the indicators and those being ref counted and using g_object_ref _unref for that and someone didn't like that
[15:38] <Trevinho> jsjgruber-x-p: no, sorry... smspillaz can help here I think ^
[15:38] <mhr3_> tedg, do you know what was the resolution?
[15:38] <mhr3_> tedg, is it ok for our apis to be cleaned up with g_object_unref?
[15:38] <jsjgruber-x-p> Trevinho, Thanks. I'll try to put something together.
[15:39] <tedg> mhr3_, Depends on the API and where...
[15:40] <tedg> mhr3_, No universal resolution unless mitchi was able to come to one.
[15:41] <mhr3_> tedg, so indicators have an exception right now?
[15:41] <mhr3_> or was the ref unref usage removed?
[15:41] <mhr3_> tedg, or replaced by a #define unity_object_ref g_object_ref? :)
[15:42] <Saviq> dandrader, are we using DirectionalDragArea in Panel yet?
[15:44] <tedg> mhr3_, There's the "Unity Actions API" that is wrapping a bunch of stuff, but AFAIK that's Qt/QML only right now.
[15:44] <Saviq> dandrader, or will that be the new DragHandle component?
[15:44] <tedg> mhr3_, Wellark can tell you more about the actions api stuff.
[15:46] <Saviq> dednick, there's a request for the Panel to use a swipe gesture for SEARCH, too
[15:46] <dandrader> Saviq, not yet. Working on it. It will use a DragHandle instead of a Revealer
[15:46] <Saviq> dandrader, dednick, make sure you coordinate please
[15:46] <mhr3_> Wellark, ^^?
[15:46] <Saviq> dandrader, as dednick's working on behaviour changes for the indicators
[15:46] <dednick> Saviq: search in panel?
[15:47] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, so that you swipe from the top for search
[15:47] <dandrader> dednick, gesture-related changes?
[15:47] <Saviq> dednick, instead of tapping
[15:47] <dednick> Saviq: ah. ok
[15:47] <Saviq> dednick, or, both, really
[15:47] <Saviq> dednick, i.e. Top-edge-swipe over the SEARCH label should progressively slide in the search entry: TODO from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-unity-ui-panel
[15:48] <mhr3_> Saviq, will we get a searching indicator in the search bar?
[15:48] <mhr3_> i want to know when scopes don't work :)
[15:48] <Saviq> mhr3_, we could, easily, wasn't designed, though, I'm afraid
[15:48] <Saviq> i.e. we didn't feel like displaying it for a single frame would make sense
[15:48] <dandrader> hmm, there will surely be conflicts. my s/Revealer/DragHandle work is a bit intrusive
[15:48] <Saviq> as that's how long scope search will take, right mhr3?
[15:48] <Saviq> right!?
[15:48] <Saviq> RIGHT!?
[15:49] <mhr3_> Saviq, suuuuuuure
[15:49] <Saviq> mhr3_, thanks for the confirmation
[15:49]  * Saviq notes down
[15:49] <mhr3_> crap, this channel is logged, isn't it?
[15:49] <Saviq> ;D
[15:53] <dandrader> dednick, so, what are the indicator changes you're working on?
[15:53] <Trevinho> ricotz: any news from plank land?
[15:53] <dednick> dandrader: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1iXhf9CpfGncAVc8zKDnq7fpFCyLOntefF7LatmBdZsw/edit
[15:54] <mhr3_> Saviq, heh, indeed noone thought about spinners of course
[15:54] <Saviq> mhr3_, we have a spinner in the SDK
[15:54] <Trevinho> ricotz: one thing I was thinking about is that now the factory has changed, so if you need to make sure to ref all the views that you're handling, if you want to keep them around also when bamf closes them..
[15:54] <mhr3_> Saviq, i mean from design
[15:55] <dandrader> dednick, please don't work on item 6 yet
[15:55] <dednick> dandrader: ok
[15:56] <dandrader> dednick, how far are you on this stuff?
[15:57] <dednick> dandrader: i've done a couple of them, but not too far
[15:59] <sil2100> tedg: any luck with the libdbusmenu?
[15:59] <Saviq> mhr3_, yeah, I know
[16:00] <sil2100> tedg: or maybe a rebuild could help? Although I tried it once, and it was still failing
[16:01] <dandrader> dednick, and no item 7 as well. it's too tied to Revealer, which is being replaced
[16:02] <dednick> dandrader: when is that due to happen?
[16:02] <mhr3_> larsu, ping?
[16:02] <mhr3_> larsu, forgot Wellark is holidaying today... do you know ^^^?
[16:02] <tedg> sil2100, In progress
[16:05] <dandrader> dednick, I thing I will be proposing that patch next Tuesday.
[16:05] <dandrader> think
[16:06] <dednick> dandrader: ok
[16:06] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi
 looks like the root cause is that "get_application_for_desktop_file" doesnt provide a just started non-favorite application, although that this call gets triggered is a bug on my side
[16:07] <ricotz> Trevinho, thanks for the hint this should be the case already
[16:12] <sil2100> tedg: I need to finish now, but when I'm back I'll take a look on status of libdbusmenu and re-run the stack machinery if it's fixed
[16:12] <sil2100> Thanks a lot!
[16:12] <sil2100> And good luck
[16:14] <Trevinho> ricotz: mh.... was that doing it before?
[16:14] <Trevinho> ricotz: however it should try to return that...
[16:44] <ricotz> Trevinho, will try to condense it in a testcase
[16:45] <Trevinho> ricotz: nice, thanks
[17:09] <ricotz> Trevinho, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/bamf/bamf-test.vala, so this works on the previous bamf release but not on the current one
[17:22] <Trevinho> ricotz: mh, thanks... Checking what's wrong
[17:22] <Trevinho> ricotz: could you open a bug in the mean time, please?
[17:24] <Trevinho> ricotz: ok, found the problem... Let me think to proper solution :)
[17:26] <larsu> mhr3_: no clue :)
[17:26] <mhr3_> larsu, heh, ok thx
[17:28] <Trevinho> ricotz: ok, found that,... Let me push a branch
[17:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, feels like this is the bug you reported earlier https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/8.0/+bug/1163273 ?
[17:51] <Saviq> +same
[17:51] <ricotz> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/1193449
[17:52] <Trevinho> ricotz: ops... I opened the same :)
[17:52] <Trevinho> ricotz: maybe 1 sec before 1193448 :)
[17:52] <ricotz> ah i see ;)
[17:52] <ricotz> of course yours is the dupe ;)
[17:53] <Trevinho> ricotz: :)
[17:53] <ricotz> do it the other way around! please
[17:54] <Trevinho> ricotz: ah, I did that as I was lazy to reset the bug parameters, but i can if you prefer
[17:54] <ricotz> while you didnt even mention me :\
[17:55] <ricotz> yes, i do prefer that
[17:55] <Trevinho> ricotz: oh, sorry... I didn't want to offend you, I just forgot :)
[17:55] <Trevinho> ricotz: now is how you want ;)
[17:55] <ricotz> no worries, thanks
[17:57] <Trevinho> ricotz: approve this if it does work for you please https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/factory-local-views-removal/+merge/170884
[17:59] <ricotz> Trevinho, will test it later
[18:23] <kgunn> Saviq: you really should eow
[18:23] <kgunn> but since you're here :)
[18:24] <kgunn> so notifications is in, but not "released" to touch builds yet right ?
[18:24] <kgunn> meaning...you can see it if you build locally, but not in the phablet daily images yet
[18:29] <ricotz> Trevinho, it fixes the problem
[18:30] <Trevinho> ricotz: nice ;)
[18:44] <Saviq> kgunn, yes they are
[18:45] <Saviq> kgunn, both notifications and smart scopes are in, image saucy-19
[18:45] <kgunn> Saviq: \o/
[18:46] <Saviq> kgunn, why do you think I went to bed at 4am Tuesday night? ;)
[18:47] <kgunn> Saviq: that's semi normal for you unfortunately!
[18:47] <kgunn> but i certainly do appreciate it....
[18:47] <kgunn> i knew it was in our trunk
[18:47] <kgunn> just wasn't sure about the build
[18:48] <kgunn> since "we aren't so great at doing releases" :)
[18:48] <Saviq> kgunn, yeah, it was a "it's going in trunk, and we need to release"
[18:48] <kgunn> or rather..."remembering to do releases"
[18:48] <Saviq> kgunn, that was mostly why there were no releases for so long, it was "almost in" for too long
[18:48] <kgunn> :)
[18:49] <kgunn> Saviq: pat's favorite...."tomorrow...i promise"
[18:49] <Saviq> kgunn, for example, we have another release today already :D
[18:49] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/8.unlimit-apps/+merge/170857
[18:49] <Saviq> kgunn, indeed
[18:50] <kgunn> Saviq: and i apologize...mir has had my mind-share hostage for the last 3 days
[18:51] <Saviq> kgunn, that's fine
[18:51] <Saviq> kgunn, I want to focus more on the Mir integration now, too
[18:51] <Saviq> kgunn, only I still have dednick's 8k line behemoth diff to finish
[18:52] <kgunn> :))
[18:52] <kgunn> it is a big bastard
[18:52] <Saviq> kgunn, good news: mhr3 fixed the only real regression from the switch to smart scopes
[18:52] <Saviq> kgunn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity/+bug/1193096
[18:52] <Saviq> will only be released next week somewhere
[18:53] <kgunn> Saviq: yep...i was semi tracking that today on irc
[18:53] <kgunn> Saviq: which is really nice....
[18:53] <kgunn> pretty darn smooth integration
[18:53] <Saviq> yup
[18:54] <Saviq> kgunn, I also did some bug maintenance today https://code.launchpad.net/unity/8.0
[18:54] <kgunn> was just looking at that acutally
[18:55] <Saviq> *cough* procrastinating *cough*
[18:55] <Saviq> sorry, dednick... ;)
[18:56] <Saviq> kgunn, and now I'm afk
[18:57] <Saviq> kgunn, btw, now you reminded me we failed to do the weekly last week...
[18:57] <kgunn> Saviq: i wasn't going to mention it....
[18:57] <kgunn> when i updated the device mon morning....so much
[18:57] <kgunn> goodness went in....how could i complain
[18:57] <Saviq> good you felt that way
[18:57]  * Saviq away
[18:58] <Saviq> o/
[20:22] <nrthedreamer> can unity show the menu bar on the window itself while not maximized?
[20:23] <nrthedreamer> and not in the top panel
[20:26] <nrthedreamer> anybody here?
[21:01] <Magicarp> Today when I booted my PC the window manager loads but unity does not. When I run unity via terminal I get this http://pastebin.com/hXRB5aeb
[21:33] <Magicarp> I've re-installed unity and when attempting to run it via terminal I get this http://pastebin.com/2S30nnPT
[21:37] <Magicarp> Synaptic doesn't complain of any broken packages
[23:17] <luv> from the frist log
[23:17] <luv> compiz (core) - Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0
[23:18] <luv> tells you unity cant be started because a WM is already running on that display
[23:19] <luv> quick google on the unity-panel-service yields this http://askubuntu.com/questions/69046/unity-is-not-working-properly-because-unity-panel-service-was-not-found which looks relevant
[23:19] <luv> (in case you have tried that yet)