[07:06] <qih> Using Lubuntu Latest on AMD64, I am unable to allow the transfer of Data via USB from my Samsung J2 Mobile to this Lubuntu machine, using MTP or JMTPFS. Is there a definitive method to do this?
[07:09] <diogenes_> qih, on connecting the phone to pc, it should ask you if you want to allow data transfer on your phone.
[07:09] <qih> Yes, and I say 'yes'
[07:10] <diogenes_> and are you able to browse the files in the file manager?
[07:11] <qih> No, I get a 'file manager' UI box, select OK, then PCMan loads, into mtp://SAMSUNG_SAMSUNG_Android_9c45f092/ ... but it just then hangs.
[07:12] <tomreyn> maybe enable developer mode on the phone, it may provide better feedback
[07:12] <tomreyn> if you can't work out those 'high level' protocols, there's also adb.
[07:13] <diogenes_> qih, maybe try a different file manager.
[07:13] <qih> I am not sure if I can access 'Developer' mode on the J2, looking ...
[07:13] <qih> diogenes_, OK will do ...
[07:14] <tomreyn> and / or try from a CLI using gio, starting with    gio mount --list
[07:16] <qih> tomreyn, Volume(0): SAMSUNG Android
[07:16] <qih>   Type: GProxyVolume (GProxyVolumeMonitorMTP)
[07:16] <qih>   Mount(0): SAMSUNG Android -> mtp://SAMSUNG_SAMSUNG_Android_9c45f092/
[07:16] <qih>     Type: GProxyShadowMount (GProxyVolumeMonitorMTP)
[07:16] <qih> Mount(1): mtp -> mtp://SAMSUNG_SAMSUNG_Android_9c45f092/
[07:16] <qih>   Type: GDaemonMount
[07:19] <qih> Drone 'quieted' me, mea culpa
[07:19] <qih> tomreyn, Ran that cmd => https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2FjDYrc754/
[07:20] <tomreyn> yes, looks like you ran it
[07:22] <qih> I seem to have the device mounted but the file manager/system still cannot access the device
[07:23] <tomreyn> i already told you all i know about this, i'm afraid, can't guide you through debugging this.
[07:24] <qih> OK no worries, googling/testing
[07:24] <tomreyn> but you could read up on those commands, and teach yourself how to test whether you can access the data from the CLI where you can get proper error messages.
[07:24] <tomreyn> and once you have error messages, you can run web searches on those and then maybe find a solution.
[07:25] <qih> I know that connecting Android > Ubuntu sometimes is squirrely, this is just daft.
[07:25] <qih> tomreyn, Will do.
[07:26] <tomreyn> good luck
[07:26] <qih> ta
[12:19] <rozelli> hai gais thanks so much for such a wonderful operating system
[12:20] <rozelli> My family has been using lubuntu for years, the kids also
[17:06] <Serj> Hello, i have couple of questions related to the Lubuntu 64bit.
[17:06] <Serj> is anyone available?
[17:09] <Serj> Alright, i was just wondering, my RAM is 4gb (3.88 usable), Intel CPU 1037U @ 1.80GHz 1.80 GHz, and 64bit operating system and 64 bit based processor. will this OS work well on my laptop? I don't want any breaking that happened with my computer, it was 32bit and 1gb ram, it was installing fine than in the middle of the installation the screen
[17:09] <Serj> crashed and now it's making 3 beeps when i open it, but i will send that to be fixed, I don't want this to happen with my laptop too.
[17:09] <Serj> I will stay and wait here for couple of minutes, till some people answer.
[17:11] <Serj> hmm, no one.
 Hey!
[17:14] <Serj> finally, someone.
 Yeah lubuntu should be fine on those speca.
 *specs
[17:15] <Serj> but not on my 1gb ram computer
[17:15] <Serj> ?
 Make sure you download latest 19.10 release from lubuntu.me
 @Serj [<Serj> but not on my 1gb ram computer], It should be fine.
[17:15] <Serj> 19.10?
[17:15] <Serj> it actually didnt
[17:16] <Serj> it's in coma
[17:16] <Serj> 3 beeps lel
 @The_LoudSpeaker [It should be fine.], I'd like to have more info about how and what went wrong.
 @Serj [<Serj> 3 beeps lel], Laptop model?
[17:17] <Serj> well, there are 2 things that could cause it: 1. it's not 1gb ram, its 516gb (or with the 500 one), or idk it couldnt handle
 @Serj [<Serj> 19.10?], Lubuntu versions are numbered as yy.mm
[17:17] <Serj> my laptop is toshiba, my computers display screen its written Acer so its acer
 So 19.10 means it was released in October 2019
[17:17] <Serj> ow im downloading 18.04.3 lel
[17:17] <Serj> oops
 @Serj [<Serj> my laptop is toshiba, my computers display screen its written Acer so its …], Specs of the system on which it failed?
[17:18] <Serj> i really dont know, it's 10+ years old my dad bought it
[17:18] <Serj> many years
[17:19] <Serj> did you leave?
 Okay. Lite. Tho it would be good to know the specs and investigate it. Lubuntu should run fine mostly. @guiverc here has tested on systems older than that.
[17:19] <Serj> ill see if there are old papers of the computer
 @Serj [<Serj> ow im downloading 18.04.3 lel], 18.04 has lxde desktop. Lubuntu shifted to lxqt from 18.10. lxde will be out of date soon. Better you download 19.10 now and upgrade to 20.04 when it arrives. It will have 3 years of support.
[17:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, !ask
[17:22] <Serj> okay captain
[17:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> !ask
[17:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^^ Serj:
[17:23] <Serj> alrighty, my bad
[17:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> Its okay
[17:24] <Serj> i am so unlucky, if another person tested on older versions than i was very unlucky lol that it failed. i didnt find any papers tho of the computer, does it be written on the back of the display r smthing the spects?
 Is it a pc or a laptop?
[17:25] <Serj> the old one is normal pc, the one with 4gb ram is a laptop (im using rn)
 For the pc, you can open the cpu cover and check the processor, ram, etc.
[17:26] <Serj> ow yeah, im not doing that, forget about it. i did that 5 times to solve the 3 beeps, naaah.
[17:27] <Serj> im scared tho
[17:27] <Serj> i have couple of questions:
 Shoot them. :)
[17:28] <Serj> wt, shift+enter doesnt do... sorry. so, 1. can i play minecraft? 2. can i use steam? 3. can i use discord? 4. can i use exe files?
[17:28] <Serj> normal exe, not files. idk why i said files.
[17:29] <Serj> why is there <The_LoudSpeaker> ? this is so confusing
 1. You can. Google search on how to play minecraft on ubuntu/linux.
 2. You can. You have to enable the i386 architecture. … run `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo apt update` … a `sudo apt full-upgrade` probably wouldn't hurt. … Then `sudo apt install steam-installer`
 3. Yes you can. Again, google search.
[17:32] <Serj> wooh, the second one looks confusing
 4. Yes you can. Just do `sudo apt install wine` in last step mentioned on step 2.
[17:33] <Serj> is there like a forum that says the same thing you said? cause you know, if i leave these will go away.
 @Serj [<Serj> wooh, the second one looks confusing], What part is hard? I can explain again.
 @Serj [<Serj> is there like a forum that says the same thing you said? cause you know, …], This chat is logged. You can always search for your nick in the backlog. :)
[17:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will send the link to where its log in a min.
[17:35] <Serj> so these are the steps: You can. You have to enable the i386 architecture. … run `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo apt update` … a `sudo apt full-upgrade` probably wouldn't hurt. … Then `sudo apt install steam-installer` do `sudo apt install wine` in last step
[17:36] <Serj> i copy pasted so some issues lol
[17:36] <Serj> sorry
[17:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> You see 2 The_LoudSpeaker's coz this chat is bridged to telegram. I was using telegram.
[17:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> Don't copy paste.
[17:37] <Serj> ow
[17:37] <Serj> sorry
[17:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will tell what to do:
[17:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> Run this in terminal.
[17:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo apt update
[17:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:38] <Serj> seperatly?
[17:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup.
[17:38] <Serj> is it the same from above that i sent?
[17:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Each message I sent is a separate command
[17:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup. Same.
[17:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> sudo apt install steam-installer
[17:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ this is the last command
[17:39] <Serj> so all that was for installing steam?
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> This command will be a bit long and need you to download and wait for a while while it runs. Sometimes you will think it has stopped. But it hasn't mostly. Just search for it in your task manager.
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah. That's all for steam.
[17:40] <Serj> i just put it in the terminal without installing like the actual steam file?
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah ra. This command will install all needed files.
[17:40] <Serj> okay, what's next
[17:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> You want to use exe files?
[17:41] <Serj> can I?
[17:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can. With some tweaks.
[17:41] <Serj> if it requires additional stuff than no, ill go with the terminal
[17:41] <Serj> WINE?
[17:42] <Serj> to run exe files
[17:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> Fullform is "Wine Is Not an Emulator"
[17:42] <Serj> so, what was the other one for?
[17:42] <Serj> which is longer
[17:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yeah once wine is Installed, you can run exe files from terminal using "wine /path/to/file.exe"
[17:43] <Serj> okay, so the second one is for wine
[17:43] <Serj> ?
[17:43] <Serj> which is long
[17:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> What long? For exe files, wine is the only way. It is the tweak that I am talking about.
[17:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can install wine from terminal itself.
[17:44] <Serj> okay say that too
[17:44] <Serj> :D
[17:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> Same as for steam. Just put wine in place of steam-installer in the last step.
[17:45] <Serj> do i need wifi for this terminal>
[17:45] <Serj> ?
 You need internet.
[17:46] <Serj> okay, i have 1 more question.
[17:46] <Serj> what are the chances that the installation would fail?
[17:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> Very less.
[17:46] <Serj> what can cause to fail?
[17:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Maybe wrong iso download. Always check for md5 hash after downloading isos using http(s) links.
[17:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or bad installation media.
[17:47] <Serj> md5 hash?
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> Use a decent good usb.
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> !md5
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ place where this chat is logged.
[17:49] <Serj> ooh, that verifying is long steps
[17:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> It is.
[17:50] <Serj> my usb is 'Verbatim' 8gb storage
[17:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> But is optional. It is recommended but not compulsary.
[17:50] <Serj> but if i downloaded it from the official website, why would it be wrong?
[17:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> Your usb size is more than enough. But I don't know about the company verbatim.
[17:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Someone might have messed up with your connection. Or your ISP's. Afterall it is the internet. Anything could go wrong. ;)
[17:51] <Serj> well, idk either but it looks like they prorvided digital media solutions to customers for over 40 years.
[17:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ah. So it should be fine.
[17:51] <Serj> that's what the website says
[17:53] <Serj> should I do it? now im using Windows 10 cracked
[17:53] <Serj> pirated*
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, verification of md5 is fairly easy on windows also, if you have 7zip Installed. It has verification options in the right click menu itself.
[17:53] <Serj> im lost
[17:54] <Serj> what should i do
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> 1. Download the iso.
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> 2. Download and install 7zio for windows.
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> 3. Just right click on iso and then browse through some options and you will find md5 related option. Select it. It will calculate and display the hash value.  Linux is for better users. :P
[17:57] <Serj> -_-
[17:58] <Serj> can i use microsoft word? i have a dvd that has from 2007 to 2016
[17:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> It has low requirements than windows so it works like a charm on systems with limited resources
[17:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can use libreoffice. Free microsoft office alternative.
[17:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or you can use word through wine.
[17:59] <Serj> can i run files from dvds and usbs?
[17:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or you can use the online version of MS word. It is free.
[17:59] <Serj> but i cant use it from the dvd?
[17:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can run files from dvds and usbs
[17:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> *media files.
[17:59] <Serj> i couldnt do that on tiny core lol, when i put it on my old computer
[18:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> You have ms word installation dvd probably. Can't install from that i am afraid.
[18:00] <Serj> :(
[18:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> *ms office
[18:01] <Serj> now what
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can use online version. It is office 365. Better than 2016/2007
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> What what?
[18:01] <Serj> i need to wait 2 hours
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> Why? Slow download?
[18:01] <Serj> my wifi is poopipoopoo
[18:01] <Serj> atleast im using eaglenet
[18:01] <Serj> atleast im using eagleget
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can use torrent.
[18:02] <Serj> (but thats unsafe)
[18:02] <The_LoudSpeaker> Lol! No. That's a myth.
[18:02] <Serj> 250mb is already downloaded, i wont close it lel
[18:03] <Serj> i dont want to lose my laptop, promise i wont
[18:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> They are unsafe only if you use torrents for pirated stuff like movies and songs. Lubuntu's torrent is 100% safe. I guarantee you.
[18:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> I can't promise that. I don't know your laptop or neither am I doing changes to it.
[18:04] <Serj> ill go with eagleget now
[18:04] <Serj> ow god
[18:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> What's your laptop model again?
[18:05] <Serj> Toshiba
[18:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> If it is something I have tested lubuntu before. I can probably help with any problems you face.
[18:06] <Serj> even with 3 beeps?
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> Exact specs please? There are tons of toshiba laptops.
[18:06] <Serj> i wish i could send pictures
[18:06] <Serj> give me 2min
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> You won't always end up with 3 beeps on every system.
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can send pictures if you use telegram
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> Join this chat on telegram. :)
[18:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> Or you can use something like Imgur
[18:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> To upload images and then send its link here.
[18:08] <Serj> i had telegram, i removed it later
[18:08] <Serj> is there like a telegram lite
[18:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, 250mb is a small fraction. Iso is 1.5 gb approx
[18:08] <Serj> 1.6gb
[18:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> You can use telegram on web.
[18:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> Out of curiosity, where are you from?
[18:10] <Serj> why?
[18:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> Curiosity.  Shouldn't be a problem imo.
[18:14] <Serj> System type: 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
[18:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also mr anonymous, i know you are from Asia. ;)
[18:14] <Serj> aaaand telegram is installed
[18:14] <Serj> you hacker
[18:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> I can even tell the city.
[18:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> I didn't want to intrude, you provoked me. :)
[18:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> See you on the other side. (Telegram) link is in channel topic
[18:16] <Serj> okay what's the telegram link
[18:16] <Serj> ow okay
[18:16] <Serj> cya
 I'm here
 Hii
 Hello
 Downloaded iso?
 Still
 Wait, you're The-LoudSpeaker?
 Yup!
 Or you were just reading our chat -_-
 I wasn't
 Ow okay, you are
 I scrolled up and saw
 399mb downloaded
 I can prove it. By telling your city if you want me to. ;)
 We're close
 @SerjSev [399mb downloaded], Still a long way to go. I am going to bed. Do the install. Fairly easy. You can read up our manual while iso downloads. if you need any help, ask here.  By typing @ and my nick. I will reply when I wake up and i am free.
 Bye.
[18:27]  * The_LoudSpeaker goes to sleep. Wtf! again?
 Cya, gn!
[18:49] <DeadPi> hi
[18:51] <DeadPi> nothing going on here? :D
 @DeadPi [<DeadPi> nothing going on here? :D], A lot is!
 Just not at this moment
 It would help if they actually stayed


[12:29] <eylul> sakrecoer, astraljava, and anybody else who actually works in packaging side: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/krita_1:3.0.1+dfsg-1.html krytarik just dug this up
[12:29] <eylul> so I guess we can have krita in yakkety after all?
[12:30]  * eylul is more than a little excited
[13:11] <Chamois> geirdal I just uploaded the video with the different animation for the "workflows" texts, you can find it here: https://youtu.be/9VRcOn_kh6c . I didn't render the entire video to avoid wasting time rendering.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> looking pretty sweet, Chamois
[13:12] <Chamois> geirdal I got a question. Is it a problem if the US Logo and Wordmark are in 3d?
[13:14] <Chamois> I just noticed that there's a little bug when the Texts change.. I'll fix it.
[13:18] <eylul> ok further updates on the krita situation: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.yakkety/revision/1499 krytarik added krita back to the seed, because it looks like the dependency issue seems to be fixed. (not clear if we will get 3.0.1 in time)
[13:18] <eylul> chamois could you maybe tint the screenshots a bit, and, well this latter might go either way but shift the text a bit up?
[13:20] <eylul> and as I said in the email, this looks great overall :)
[14:28] <Chamois> eylul I rendered this video after I read the email you sent. The next thing I'll do is to work on the background screenshots ;)
[14:42] <sakrecoer> Chamois: 3D is ok, but it _must_ be the files i linked you to on the list. in the best of worlds, when the logo zooms to frame, logo and woodmark are in 2D with no alteration
[14:52] <sakrecoer> glad to read about krita, eylul and krytarik :)
[14:54] <sakrecoer> Chamois: 'when logo zooms to frame' = the last seconds, where the full logo is visible :) would be good if the extrusion flattened at that point as in no 3D on the logo.
[15:21] <Chamois> sakrecoer: ok :)
[15:52] <Chamois> ( sakrecoer eylul ) I gave to the background a blurred effect and modified the settings for opacity and brightness (also shifted the text a little bit up) : http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=106607
[16:21] <eylul> Chamois: I like it better
[16:21] <eylul> perhaps a tiny bit darker?
[16:22] <eylul> btw sakrecoer are you back, or still traveling?
[16:24] <eylul> and blur was a good idea!
[16:24] <eylul> I forgot to say
[16:25] <sakrecoer> i am back :)
[16:28] <eylul> awesome
[16:44] <eylul> heh sorry
[16:44] <eylul> here you are 10 minutes back from vacation
[16:44] <eylul> and I am talking your ear off
[16:44] <eylul> ;D
[16:44] <eylul> mt
[16:44] <eylul> (that was to sakrecoer)
[16:45] <sakrecoer> :D
[16:50] <eylul> :D
[16:53] <eylul> btw astraljava: zequence mentioned you do packaging?
[17:11] <Chamois> I just came back from suspend mode and it doesn't show me the mouse cursor. Is it the same for you?
[17:17] <Chamois> http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=106611
[17:32] <krytarik> Chamois: Did you update your system recently?  LP bug 1568604 should be fixed.
[18:11] <eylul> Chamois: that background brightness with text in front looks very good to me
[18:12] <eylul> I have no further commentary on that. :)
[18:12] <eylul> ok one more nitpick: maybe no dots where the text is?
[18:13] <eylul> or no dots (more transparent dots) all over? so that it doesn't mix with the text?
[18:13]  * eylul begins feeling bad with so many nitpicks!
[18:33] <chamois> it didn't send messages. thanks! and I have version 16.04 and I've never updated it (I installed the os in July)
[18:34] <eylul> wb chamois
[18:35] <eylul> reposting from earlier: that background brightness with text in front looks very good to me. one more nitpick: maybe no dots where the text is?,  no dots (more transparent dots) all over? so that it doesn't mix with the text where they overlap?
[18:43] <chamois> I can make them transparent where the texts are and make them all transparent when there's a screenshot on the background to avoid making the scene to messy.. how does it sound?
[18:48] <eylul> could try either
[18:48] <eylul> (chamois if you put my name in the reply on IRC, btw, I might notice it faster because my client highlights it, even if I am alt tabbed)
[18:49] <eylul> :)
[18:49] <chamois> ok
[18:49] <eylul> chamois: actually on second thought, making them all transparent might be better, since text size changes in animation
[18:49] <eylul> as you add lines?
[19:09] <chamois> eylul "as you add lines"?
[19:10] <eylul> chamois: sorry bad phrasing. I meant the text area (where dots would need to be removed) changes as the lines get added on each section, so you will either end up with blank areas with no dots at first, or have to animate the area where dots are removed, which might end up complicated
[19:10] <eylul> (or visually distracting)
[19:10] <eylul> so I was saying maybe just making dots transparent overall, will be the option with less hassle
[19:26] <chamois> Ok I'm going now see you tomorrow!
[19:26] <eylul> bye chamois


[00:18] <lool> Hi folks, would a registry admin be around to register https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/savannah as the bug tracker for https://launchpad.net/patch ?  it's owned by ~registry
[00:20] <lool> hmm actually I don't need that, sorry
[00:20] <lool> I was hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/197250
[00:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 197250 in Launchpad Bugs "Savannah bug watches should match longer URL" [Undecided,Triaged]
[02:35] <ScottK> lifeless: I think that's not the first time qt4-x11 got retried since gcc was fixed.
[07:51] <flyguy> hi
[07:51] <flyguy> do any of you know the new canonicle channel?
[07:51] <lifeless> context?
[09:34] <jml> mrevell: ping
[09:34] <mrevell> Hey there jml
[10:34] <evaluate> hello
[10:35] <evaluate> I uploaded a package to my lauchpad PPA to be built and it failed and I'm not sure why. This is the log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60180774/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.clipit_1.3.5-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:35] <evaluate> Any idea what I did wrong?
[10:35] <wgrant> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `totools_dev'.  Stop.
[10:35] <evaluate> wgrant, I'm not sure what totools_dev is...
[10:35] <bigjools> beat me to it
[10:36] <evaluate> I mean, that's not a dependency of my package...
[10:36] <bigjools> it's a make target
[10:36] <wgrant> evaluate: It's something in your package's build system.
[10:38] <evaluate> hmm, I'm confused... It built fine before. I have only added support for 'Application Indicator' in my last version, does totools_dev have anything to do with that?
[10:41] <evaluate> ohh, wait. I guess that should be 'autotools_dev' actually...
[10:41] <evaluate> hmm, I wonder why it says totools_dev though...
[10:43] <evaluate> ok, so in my rules file I have this: dh $@ --with autoreconf, autotools_dev
[10:44] <evaluate> I guess that's somehow interpreted wrong by the builder (that's the only place where 'totools_dev' is mentioned).
[10:44] <wgrant> I don't think that space should be there after the comma.
[10:44] <wgrant> Regardless, it's nothing to do with the builder. That goes straight into debhelper.
[10:45] <evaluate> wgrant, ok, I'll try again without the comma. I just wondered because on debian it built just fine...
[10:50] <kinkie> Hi all, a quick question: is there a way to access a branch hosted in LP via http? (not https) Thanks!
[10:51] <wgrant> kinkie: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch
[10:51] <kinkie> thanks!
[10:52] <jfi> Hello, I need to change the orig.tgz of the SAME version, but it is rejected. What is the usual solution? Is there another solution than changing the version of the orig file?
[10:52] <wgrant> jfi: You need to change the version.
[10:52] <wgrant> Why do you want to modify it? That doesn't make sense.
[10:53] <jfi> wgrant, because I want to update to the new build of the same version
[10:53] <wgrant> "new build of the same version" sounds like an oxymoron to me.
[10:53] <jfi> hum, let me explain a little:)
[10:53] <bigjools> maybe he means a rebuild
[10:53] <jfi> first, I am the author of the program
[10:54] <jfi> I have done a new version (0.6.0) to fit more to ubuntu package
[10:54] <jfi> 0.6.0 is not officially released
[10:54] <jfi> I made some mistake
[10:54] <jfi> so I have fixed it and rebuild a 0.6.0
[10:55] <bigjools> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/990
[10:58] <jfi> ok, so I am going to use a <IP_ADDRESS> `:(
[10:59] <jfi> thx for the clarification bigjools and wgrant
[10:59] <bigjools> np
[11:01] <jfi> another question: the debian/copyright is supposed to only contain the copyright of the programm itself or to program+used libraries/progs?
[11:02] <wgrant> It should contain the copyright details of everything in the package. Not anything it depends upon.
[11:02] <spiv> Just the copyright for the code in that one package.
[11:02] <jfi> I have one lib which is statically compiled and I wonder if I should incluse its copyright
[11:02] <spiv> s/code/everything/
[11:02] <wgrant> jfi: Do you really have to statically link it?
[11:02] <jfi> yes, there is no shared version of this library
[11:02] <wgrant> You shouldn't include it in the copyright file.
[11:02] <wgrant> But you also shouldn't statically link it :)
[11:03] <jfi> yes I no wgrant, but I have no other choice (that's xvnctrl for information)
[11:03] <wgrant> :(
[11:03] <jfi> s/no/know
[11:08] <jfi> last very newbie question about ppa: are the binary package automaticly rebuilt when there is a new version of a build-dependency?
[11:08] <bigjools> no
[11:09] <bigjools> you need to do a no-change rebuild, which means bumping the version
[11:10] <jfi> ok, thx
[11:19] <evaluate> after a package has finished building on launchpad, how long will it take for the changes to be visible for apt-get update?
[11:19] <evaluate> I mean if I have the PPA added...
[11:20] <bigjools> evaluate: it varies between 5 and 30 minutes.  It will get much faster after Wednesday as we're speeding it up
[11:21] <evaluate> bigjools, ok, thank you very much :-)
[11:31] <jhunt> i give up - please can someone tell me how to associate a bug report with (project? package? thing?) "natty"
[11:40] <tsimpson> jhunt: use the "Also effects distribution" link
[11:40] <wgrant> jhunt: Natty is a series of the Ubuntu distribution.
[11:40] <wgrant> jhunt: Why do you want to do that?
[11:41] <wgrant> You'd normally just file it against Ubuntu.
[11:41] <jhunt> tsimpson: tried that. The bug is already listed against the ubuntu distro, but I want to associate it with natty alpha1 (a la https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/jasper-initramfs/+bug/659754).
[11:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 659754 in jasper-initramfs (Ubuntu Natty) "Universe & multiverse are not enabled on OMAP4 preinstalled image" [High,Triaged]
[11:42] <tsimpson> you don't need to
[11:42] <wgrant> jhunt: That's used mostly by the release team.
[11:42] <wgrant> Users shouldn't use it.
[11:42] <jhunt> in which case I'll add a comment to state is natty-specific and hope someone actions it :)
[11:43] <jhunt> aside - weird bug with lp: try right-clicking (almost) any image and selecting view image in FF...!
[11:43] <tsimpson> you should always include what release/package-version you are filing a bug against anyway :)
[11:43] <wgrant> jhunt: You mean you get a big image with many icons?
[11:44] <jhunt> wgrant: no, I get a binary spew of the raw pngs - no image.
[11:44] <wgrant> jhunt: Hm, that's odd.
[11:45] <tsimpson> eg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/49558155/64_logo.png
[11:46] <tsimpson> the content type is image/png
[11:49] <jhunt> tsimpson: yes, seems to be confined to launchpadlibrarian png images since the lp logo (served from lp) is fine.
[11:50] <tsimpson> jhunt, wgrant: I just found something odd though, a HTTP HEAD request give a content type of "image/png", but a GET request gives "text/html"
[11:54] <tsimpson> and now, HEAD (over telnet) gives text/html too
[12:18] <jfi> I would like my package to be built for maverick/lucid/natty, the only way is to push one version of the package for each, right?
[12:36] <maxb> correct
[12:38] <jfi> ok, thx maxb
[12:39] <bigjools> jfi: the other way is to upload it only for lucid and copy upwards, if a single build will suffice
[12:43] <jfi> bigjools, you mean copying the bin package? In my case, the source package is exactly the same for the 3 distributions but the binary has to be built for each (still due the static lib)
[12:43] <bigjools> jfi: yes.  If you need to link against the separate libs then you need to create different packages
[12:43] <bigjools> versions, I mean
[12:47] <jfi> the usual practice is to increment the source package version or there is a convention like xxx-version_prog-natty-1. xxx-version_prog-maverick-1,etc?
[12:49] <Odd_Bloke> https://answers.launchpad.net/openobject-addons/+question/136806 shows "Asked by Daniel Watkins (credativ) on 1 hour ago"
[12:50] <Odd_Bloke> The " on " should not be there.
[12:50] <Odd_Bloke> I don't have time to look for a bug report ATM, so I'm lazyweb'ing it. :)
[14:06] <zaytsev> hi folks
[14:06] <zaytsev> https://launchpad.net/~zyv/+archive/ppa/+build/2082552
[14:06] <zaytsev> [FAILEDTOUPLOAD] Failed to upload on litembilla (virtual) Retry this build  ?
[14:06] <zaytsev> anybody has a clue what's wrong with this builder?
[14:06] <wgrant> zaytsev: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60188312/upload_2095334_log.txt
[14:07] <zaytsev> wgrant,  there is no such version in the archive
[14:09] <wgrant> zaytsev: It looks like you uploaded that version and then quickly deleted it?
[14:10] <zaytsev> wgrant, yes, I messed it up. I forgot to decrease the version number so that my package would be superseded by Ubuntu version when it comes out.
[14:11] <zaytsev> So right after the build I realized my mistake and removed the package, then started another build
[14:11] <wgrant> zaytsev: You've been hit by a bug that we were just discussing. You deleted it before the binaries were finished uploading, so they didn't get deleted. Delete ubuntu3 again, and retry the ubuntu3~lucid1 builds.
[14:13] <zaytsev> wgrant, yup, I realize my mistake, but it used to work in the past. How I am supposed to delete ubuntu3 again if it's already deleted from the interface>?
[14:13] <wgrant> zaytsev: It should still show up on the deletion page.
[14:13] <wgrant> Because it has undeleted binaries.
[14:13] <zaytsev> wgrant, oh you are right
[14:14] <zaytsev> Thanks for your help
[15:42] <zaytsev_> wgrant, thanks again. it worked fine now. I would appreciate if this delete / upload bug can be taken care of in the future
[16:40] <thorwil> hi! just uploaded my first ppa. can i expect an email notification within a few minutes?
[16:41] <bigjools> thorwil: yes, approximately 5 minutes
[16:41] <bigjools> or less
[16:46] <thorwil> after using "debuild -S" and dput, i read something about signing the .changes file and that the omission of that is a likely cause to not receive an email
[16:46] <thorwil> but apparently dput took care of that
[16:53] <bigjools> debuild will sign it for you, dput just uploads it
[16:53] <bigjools> if you don't get an email, read this:https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/227
[17:46] <vish> hi, how do i get a mail from a lp team mailing list deleted?
[17:46] <vish>  from the list archive
[19:10] <lifeless> vish: ask a question on answers.lp.net/launchpad
[19:11] <vish> lifeless: will do, thanks.
[19:28] <vish> deryck: hi, could you a second look at Bug 685755 , the confusion is due to similar sounding team names . :)
[19:28] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 685755 in Launchpad Bugs "Members of an Open team should *not* be allowed to assign bugs to the team" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685755
[19:29] <deryck> hi vish.  sure, I can look again.
[19:29] <vish> thanks.
[19:30] <lifeless> deryck: I think its a valid issue
[19:30] <lifeless> deryck: its not bug supervisor privilege, its 'can assign to self' privilege, which we extend to team membership
[19:30] <deryck> vish, so to clarify, someone from the papercutters team (the bug supervsior) assigned the papercuts ninja team (which is open).
[19:31] <deryck> lifeless, ok.  still not following the bug, though.  why should we not allow assigning to an open team?
[19:31] <vish> deryck: no, someone from the papercuts ninja team assigned it to the papercuts ninja team
[19:31] <deryck> ok, so why is that bad?
[19:31] <deryck> sorry I'm being hard headed :-)
[19:31] <deryck> just trying to see the harm of that :-)
[19:31] <lifeless> deryck: open teams - used for:
[19:31] <lifeless>  - mailing lists
[19:31] <lifeless>  - fanboy groups
[19:32] <vish> deryck: a member of the open team just assigned it *to* the open team
[19:32] <lifeless> deryck: self assigning a bug says 'I will work on this'
[19:32] <deryck> lifeless, I know that much ;)
[19:33] <deryck> but we allow assigning to teams that want to work on it.
[19:33] <lifeless> deryck: but thats progressively less defined as you move from private->restricted->moderated->open
[19:33] <vish>  if someone joins the Ubuntu users team, they can just assign the bug to the Ubuntu users, but that does not mean the Ubuntu users will work on the bug.
[19:33] <deryck> right, I understand that now.
[19:33]  * deryck is thinking on it some more
[19:33] <lifeless> deryck: for an open team member (not admin), they have effectively no weight in terms of making the statement 'this team will work on this bug'
[19:34] <lifeless> deryck: s/not admin/(not admin and not owner)
[19:34] <deryck> I see that argument now.  the downside is that small, open teams would have to re-configure themselves.  is this really that large of an issue?
[19:34] <lifeless> also
[19:34] <lifeless> open teams + bug subscriptions
[19:34] <lifeless> same issue
[19:35] <lifeless> or do we require admin access to subscribe?
[19:35] <lifeless> if we require admin access to a team to subscribe it to a bug
[19:35] <lifeless> then I'd say the same requirement makes sense for self-assignment on a bug
[19:35] <deryck> hmmm, you know I don't know.  I don't think we do, but would need to look at code to confirm....
[19:35] <lifeless> deryck: I think we do, because it was abused when it was free for all
[19:36] <lifeless> deryck: small open teams can switch to moderated easily, which will still let folk say 'I wanna be a superhero'
[19:36] <lifeless> deryck: or
[19:36] <lifeless> deryck: you could set a flag on the team, if you felt that we need to support both use cases, and set the default to 'members of this team cannot make statements on behalf of the team'
[19:37] <lifeless> deryck: I think the quoted bit there is the basic principle I'm pointing at : assignment, subscription, joining other teams: these are statements of intent on behalf of the whole team.
[19:37] <ScottK> Sounds to me like mostly a reason for people not to want open teams.
[19:37] <lifeless> deryck: and its a rare open team that truely wants everyone in the world to be able to make such statements.
[19:38] <lifeless> ScottK: thats certainly related, but the same question applies to the other sorts of teams.
[19:38] <deryck> well the issue is we use "team" as a work team or a hang out group on launchpad. ;)
[19:38] <deryck> and the two are different uses really
[19:38] <vish> hehe!
[19:38] <davidstrauss> Is there a guide to using CVS imports? I can't figure out how to give Launchpad the requested HTTP-based URL for Drupal CVS.
[19:39] <lifeless> deryck: cvs doesn't have http urls
[19:39] <lifeless> bah
[19:39] <lifeless> davidstrauss: ^
[19:39] <deryck> heh
[19:39] <lifeless> davidstrauss: help.launchpad.net has instructions
[19:39] <deryck> lifeless, vish -- so how about this, I'll re-open the bug and clear up based on the discussion here.  I'm not convinced we should look it down for open groups yet, but I see the problem and we should figure it out/discuss it further.  Fair enough?
[19:40] <davidstrauss> lifeless, I've reviewed the help page, and it doesn't tell me anything I don't already know.
[19:40] <vish> deryck: sure..
[19:40] <vish> thanks
[19:40] <lifeless> davidstrauss: which one ?
[19:40] <davidstrauss> "The URI scheme "cvs.drupal.org" is not allowed. Only URIs with the following schemes may be used: http, https"
[19:40] <davidstrauss> lifeless, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports
[19:40] <lifeless> davidstrauss: what url are you getting that error on?
[19:40] <davidstrauss> cvs.drupal.org:/cvs/drupal-contrib
[19:41] <lifeless> davidstrauss: no, in launchpad.
[19:41] <davidstrauss> lifeless, that is the "URL" I'm giving it. CVS doesn't use URLs.
[19:41] <lifeless> davidstrauss: What Launchpad URL are you putting this data in ON.
[19:42] <davidstrauss> lifeless, Ah, http://launchpad.net/drupal-mongodb
[19:42] <lifeless> davidstrauss: theres no code import form at that url.
[19:43] <lifeless> davidstrauss: I would like you to copy from your location bar and paste it here.
[19:43] <lifeless> Or take a screenshot.
[19:43] <davidstrauss> lifeless, https://code.launchpad.net/drupal-mongodb/trunk/+setbranch
[19:44] <davidstrauss> lifeless, that?
[19:44] <lifeless> yes
[19:44] <lifeless> now we're getting somewhere
[19:44] <lifeless> and you're getting this error in the 'Branch URL' field ?
[19:45] <davidstrauss> lifeless, yes
[19:45] <davidstrauss> lifeless, nor is it clear what that field is asking for when using CVS
[19:45] <lifeless> benji: hi
[19:45] <benji> hi
[19:45] <lifeless> benji: IIRC registry has been tweaking stuff recently
[19:46] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/drupal-mongodb/trunk/+setbranch
[19:46]  * benji edits his auto-join
[19:46] <lifeless> click on 'import a branch hosted somewhere else'
[19:46] <lifeless> then 'CVS'
[19:46] <lifeless> for branch url put in 'cvs.drupal.org:/cvs/drupal-contrib' and then test as the module, test as the branch name,
[19:46] <lifeless> click on update
[19:46] <lifeless> observe the error
[19:46] <davidstrauss> "The URI scheme "cvs.drupal.org" is not allowed. Only URIs with the following schemes may be used: http, https"
[19:47] <davidstrauss> lifeless, same error i got
[19:47] <benji> yep, that's the error I get
[19:48] <deryck> lifeless, FWIW, I don't see any restrictions on team subscriptions.
[19:48] <lifeless> deryck: remind me in jan ;)
[19:48] <benji> I assume that's not the desired outcome.
[19:48] <lifeless> benji: no
[19:48] <lifeless> benji: this is a regression, but I'm not sure who was fiddling most recently
[19:48] <deryck> lifeless, heh, ok.  You are supposed to be away now, are you not? ;) :)
[19:48] <lifeless> yah
[19:49] <lifeless> davidstrauss: so, please do this:
[19:49] <lifeless>  - file a bug
[19:49] <benji> it was probably a change of field type (and a missing test case)
[19:49] <lifeless> benji: yah
[19:49] <lifeless> davidstrauss: and then fill the form out as well as you can, with a fake http url
[19:49] <lifeless> davidstrauss: we'll see if we can edit it correctly after its created
[19:49] <benji> has there been a bug assigned to this?
[19:49] <lifeless> benji: not yet, just found out about it
[19:50] <benji> k, I'm looking at the code real quick to see if anything jumps out at me
[19:50] <lifeless> benji: thanks!
[19:50] <benji> any time
[19:53] <sinzui> lifeless, benji the cvs URL was broken a few months ago. I report a bug. I had to set an impossible url to get it the branch accepted, then fix the url as a part of the import review.
[19:54] <sinzui> lifeless, benji I think my bug was a dupe too
[19:54] <davidstrauss> lifeless, benji, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/686134
[19:54] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 686134 in Launchpad itself "CVS import interface doesn't make sense or work" [Undecided,New]
[19:54] <lifeless> davidstrauss: thanks
[19:54] <lifeless> sinzui: thanks
[20:06] <davidstrauss> lifeless, thanks for the help. i've filed a few related (but minor) bugs i've found while troubleshooting this
[20:06] <davidstrauss> lifeless, I also found a workaround and configured the import: https://code.launchpad.net/~davidstrauss/drupal-mongodb/trunk
[20:09] <lifeless> davidstrauss: cool
[20:29] <thorwil> where's the Files: part of the.changes file supposed to come from?
[20:30] <benji> lifeless: I got sidetracked for a little bit there, but our suspicions are confirmed: that field is a URIField and I can't see any tests for giving it CVS locations.  I'll update the bug with the details.
[20:35] <lifeless> benji: did you see sinzuis comment that its probably a duplicate?
[20:35] <lifeless> benji: thumper may know more
[20:37] <benji> lifeless: oh, I thought he was talking about the bug he entered being a dupe, not 686134
[20:38] <benji> (but now I notice that 686134 is quite new, so is likely a dupe as well)
[20:39] <thumper> on?
[20:39] <thumper> benji: I think the CVS urls need http or :pserver type urls
[20:40] <lifeless> thumper: 0838, davidstrauss
[20:41] <benji> thumper: I just tried ":pserver:anonymous:anonymous@cvs.drupal.org:/cvs/drupal-contrib" but it didn't work ("...is not a valid URI")
[20:42] <thumper> benji: which form?
[20:42] <benji> https://code.launchpad.net/drupal-mongodb/trunk/+setbranch
[20:42] <thumper> hmm...
[20:42] <thumper> yeah...
[20:43] <thumper> benji: it is a fubar
[20:44] <thumper> benji: you need to use the new code import view to create a CVS import
[20:44] <thumper> benji: the +setbranch doesn't follow the same validation rules as the new code import
[20:45] <benji> thumper: oh, well... I'm not really wanting to create one, I'm following up on a bug report (686134, via lifeless, probably a dupe)
[20:46] <benji> so, what should we do about this attractive nuisance?
[20:46] <benji> if the two pages do the same thing, perhaps we should redirect visitors to the old one to the new one
[20:48] <thumper> benji: we should fix the setbranch page
[20:50] <benji> thumper: ok, thanks; any ideas on finding an older report of the bug?  I haven't been able to, but probably don't know the right place(s) to look.
[20:50] <thumper> I don't think this is an old bug
[20:56] <benji> ok, I'll use 686134 until it's proven a dupe
[21:54] <komputes> latest comment on this bug is spam : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/382488
[21:54] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 382488 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Playback sound is only audible starting at 50% on Dell Inspiron 1420" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:28] <thumper> komputes: thanks


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[01:00] <m0nkey_> alright, stick with lts or go 15.04?
[01:04] <daftykins> depends on your hardware really
[01:05] <daftykins> if it's new you might benefit from running 3.19, otherwise not especially
[01:13] <Azelphur> Can anyone explain to me how this makes any sense http://pastebin.com/L0yfHSr4 look at line 87 and 147 onwards
[01:17] <ali1234> yes
[01:18] <Azelphur> please do
[01:18] <ali1234> log_daemon_msg is overwriting the echo output
[01:19] <ali1234>  /sherlock
[01:19] <Azelphur> oh
[01:19] <Azelphur> sadly that doesn't help me with the real issues :(
[01:19] <ali1234> well, ask your real question? ;)
[01:19] <Azelphur> it runs deluged as user deluge, not debian-deluged, and it doesn't run it with DAEMON_ARGS
[01:20] <ali1234> seriously i'd be curious to know if i;m write
[01:20] <ali1234> please pipe the output into hexdump -C
[01:20] <ali1234> *right
[01:20] <ali1234> too much serial port programming today
[01:20] <ali1234> also, use systemd
[01:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol, if I do sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop | hexdump -C, hexdump doesn't catch the output
[01:21] <Azelphur> (but if I use waffle instead of stop, it does)
[01:22] <ali1234> none at all?
[01:22] <Azelphur> $ sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop 2| hexdump -C
[01:22] <Azelphur> stop: Unknown instance:
[01:22] <ali1234> then it's something weird in one of the files which is sourced
[01:22] <ali1234> ie /lib/lsb/init-functions
[01:23] <ali1234> seriously, just use systemd
[01:23] <Azelphur> well this is the init script that ships with the package
[01:23] <ali1234> report a bug then
[01:23] <Azelphur> this is probably due to me upgrading through many versions and stuff changing
[01:23] <ali1234> probably
[01:24] <ali1234> i suggest turning on trace
[01:24] <ali1234> i don't remember how though
[01:24] <ali1234> -x on first line
[01:25] <Azelphur> ?
[01:25] <Azelphur> oh I see, this is useful
[01:26] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/19q8Yuek
[01:26] <ali1234> riiiight
[01:27] <ali1234> looks like + . /lib/lsb/init-functions does everything
[01:27] <ali1234> everything after that line is probably just there for backwards compat
[01:27] <Azelphur> yea, and looks like its converted it into an upstart script
[01:27] <ali1234> yeah
[01:27] <Azelphur> this suddenly explains everything
[01:28] <ali1234> so upstart handles known params like start and stop, otherwise it falls through to the initscript
[01:31] <diddledan> lmao - kingsmen (movie) is hilarious
[01:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: and I finally found out where all my bizarre deluge behaviour came from
[01:53] <Azelphur> in days long past, deluge-web used to be a separate process, apparently it's part of deluged now, however the init script never got removed...so I had deluged and deluge-web both fighting and making everything break.
[02:20] <ali1234> i lolled http://paste.ubuntu.com/11088403/
[02:21] <daftykins> XD
[02:22] <ali1234> at least i know that commands end with \x0a
[02:23] <ali1234> "," appears to do something as well, it prints nothing at all
[04:13] <ali1234> bingo... RST first command found
[04:17] <ali1234> oh look, EPR and EPW again
[05:12] <knightwise> morning peeps
[05:38] <mappps> hey
[05:38] <mappps> what you doing
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> \o moo
[07:10] <MooDoo> :)
[07:23] <MooDoo> seems like ubuntu/canonical are going to take over the world - snappy powered fridge?  cool
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> (I kind of installed Debian on my laptop though)
[07:26] <directhex> i have no interest in a non-debian-based ubuntu
[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:28] <ali1234> yeah me too
[07:29] <ali1234> how apps are supposed to work together when they are isolated in containers has still not been satisfactorily explained imo
[07:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i like debian, use it on my storage server
[07:51] <diplo> Morning all
[08:03] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning
[08:03]  * knightwise watching old star trek eps on netflix
[08:04] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like work for the clipboard ali1234, a lot of work :-P
[08:04] <TwistedLucidity> Things like Snappy are really neat, no dependency version hell.
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> But as you solve that problem, you introduce others (bloat etc)
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> So now you add de-dupe, which bring in another problem (load)
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> And so on
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> Guess it all depends on where your biggest pain point is
[08:07] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's right there
[08:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <TwistedLucidity> I'm mildly concerned about it (mostly as it's stepping away from Debian) but I want to see how things shake out.
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> There was so much mis-guided doom-mongering about systemd, I expect to see the same over Snappy.
[08:09] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: sorry I missed the start of the conversation :)
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: It was about how wonderful I am
[08:10] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: hahahahaha, let me put you at your ease there as I pick myself up of the floor and wipe the spray coffee off my monitor......hahahahahahahaha
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> Just hear about MS's phone-convergence offering, sounds familiar
[08:15] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: did you see the kernel panic auto rollback video?
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: For Snappy? No. I saw some comment about it, but didn't really investigate it.
[08:16] <TwistedLucidity> Got a link?
[08:16] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: let me have a dig
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Found one
[08:17] <ali1234> i've got a question
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> Search engines are good - I should be less lazy
[08:17] <ali1234> suppose there's a bug that causes a kernel panic once in a blue moon
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Well don't lose it. That question could be worth money some day!
[08:17] <ali1234> and it's existed since day 1
[08:17] <bashrc> good moaning
[08:17] <ali1234> will i eventually end up back at snappy version 1?
[08:18] <ali1234> what is a kernel panic happens because i spilled tea in my computer? does my OS get rolled back then?
[08:18] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHEy5saBa8
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Ta
[08:18] <bashrc> so what's the difference between snappy and click?
[08:21] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <davmor2> bashrc: not much, snappy has enhanced the click package system if you like it is click2.0
[08:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude how's life
[08:26] <ali1234> bashrc: the big difference is that click was designed to package phone apps to be run on a deb-based system, where as with snappy the whole OS is packaged like a phone app
[08:26] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. It's busy and quiet. Work is keeping me occupied, but Hayley is in Turkey for a week, so somewhat quiet around here
[08:27]  * bigcalm feels like a bachelor but without the perks
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> get that printed on a t-shirt :-)
[08:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[08:34] <brobostigon> i saw a good tshirt yesterday, its said on the front, "she who shall be obayed" with an arrow pointing in one direction.
[08:35] <diplo> Common things people forget to backup ?
[08:35] <ali1234> server host key :)
[08:35] <diplo> Copied /etc .ssh and .config
[08:35] <diplo> And most of /home
[08:35] <ali1234> mysql databases in /var
[08:35] <diplo> Dumped my databases
[08:35] <diplo> mysqldump, but that'll do
[08:35] <diplo> Can't think of anything else, but I _always_ miss something
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> dont forget to make a copy of /dev/zero
[08:36] <ali1234> proprietary software in /opt
[08:36] <diplo> dpkg --list export just to be sure
[08:36] <ali1234>  /root if you roll that way
[08:37] <diplo> nah I don't, /opt I'm happy with not copying
[08:37] <diplo> Think I'm good
[08:38] <diplo> Most stuff is in version control, most db's are remote and copied locally
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Nurses Day! 😃
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloNurse ?
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> a very underapreciated profession
[09:10] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it's like you'd prepared in advance!
[09:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNhuvox43I
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> or is just really really into nurses.  senior nurses, senior administrative nurses...
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: maybe I did :P
[09:16] <TwistedLucidity> I just want to know where all theing "Internal Day of Chocolate Biccies" come from....
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I must be dumb, I really didn't follow that video at all. I'll look again at lunch when I can give it my full attention.
[09:22] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's the A/B rollback.  So initially there was an A it was working, the reboot happened on B, B kernel panic so it then fired A back up
[09:23] <foobarry> bought some expensive foxs choc fudge crunch...disppaointly they taste just like bourbon
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, a one character difference is easy to miss when you are trying to watch a video (why no sound?) and work at the same time
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." <- ominous
[09:24] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: because there isn't any, I think and audio description of what is happening would of helped
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda what I mean "He we do A, now we do B...see the panic? And look, here comes A to the rescue" (cue bugles)
[09:27] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: the old testament has a whole new meaning when you read bugles as bulges
[09:28] <foobarry> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3doodler-20-3d-printing-pen-n03eb
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: It's a little known fact that any text or movie can be improved by replacing strategic words with "pants"
[09:28] <foobarry> didn't quite set the world alight as hoped
[09:28] <foobarry> i've moved on to jelly usb switch now
[09:29] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joylabz/makey-makey-go-invent-everywhere-invent-now/video_share?ref=video
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: "I've moved on to jelly pants now" <- see?
[10:43]  * bigcalm throws a Desperate Dan Cow Pie at davmor2
[10:44]  * davmor2 catches it, throws it in the oven and scoffs it up yum for lunch
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> no horses were hurt making the pie... /disclaimer
[10:46] <bigcalm> It's going to be quiet on Wednesday
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> coz?
[10:48] <davmor2> I'm not going to eat pie
[10:50] <bigcalm> Pie hater :P
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> more pie for everyone else \o/
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: Just too much to do
[11:31] <foobarry> come on sunshine!
[11:31] <foobarry> shine on my lawn
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> shine on foobarry lawn...
[11:32]  * davmor2 hears the distant rumble of thunder from foobarry 's direction
[11:32] <foobarry> saw some green shoots
[11:32] <foobarry> in my soil patch
[11:33] <foobarry> we have been lacking in sunshine lately
[14:26] <ujjain> how can I see a timestamp of a debpackage i have installed?
[14:27] <MooDoo> http://linuxcommando.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/find-out-when-package-was-last.html
[14:27] <MooDoo> both rhel and debian i believe
[16:08] <diddledan> this looks hilarious: https://youtu.be/X4bF_quwNtw
[16:13] <davmor2> diddledan: you should watch mortdecai
[16:41] <Laney> SOREEEEEEEEEN
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> ?
[16:43] <diddledan> shh, doreen's eating her soreen
[16:44] <Laney> well
[16:44] <Laney> i couldn't actually find it so i got some cereal instead
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> soreen green is made of doreen?
[16:51] <diddledan> nah, that's soylent
[18:01] <ali1234> soreen is horrible sickly soggy squashed bread with bits of hard dried chewy stuff in it
[18:02] <ali1234> the smell of it is enough to make me retch
[18:54] <diddledan> apparently it's ten years ago today that the "leeroy jenkins" video first appeared
[19:12] <zmoylan-pi> back when online gaming was new...ish


[00:10] <nacc> sbeattie: do you want to update the tasks in LP: #1657594 accordingly? i think the zesty mariadb-10.0 task can  either be removed or marked invalid and i'm not sure if 10.1 needs the CVE fix?
[00:43] <sbeattie> nacc: I've updated them now, thanks.
[00:46] <nacc> sbeattie: np, thanks!
[05:56] <otto> Can somebody trigger a rebuild of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.1/10.1.21-5/+build/11934111 ? It OOMed and a rebuild might fix it
[06:00] <ginggs> otto: triggered
[08:07] <otto> ginggs: thanks!
[08:52] <caribou> I need some counseling on the unattended-upgrade-shutdown systemd unit
[08:53] <caribou> right now, it is ordered as Before=shutdown.target reboot.target halt.target network.target local-fs.target
[08:54] <caribou> if /var is a separate FS, local-fs.target will complete before  unattended-upgrade-shutdown start
[08:55] <caribou> and the script expect /var/run to be there, so it blocks & timeout waiting
[08:57] <caribou> I'm trying to figure out how to sequence it so it can complete before /var gets unmounted
[12:46] <bluss> there is no bug tracker for libappindicator?
[12:47] <bluss> I can't find it
[12:58] <fossfreedom_> bluss: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator
[14:11] <tjaalton> doko: llvm-4 ping. could it be moved to main now
[14:11] <tjaalton> to unblock mesa
[14:12] <doko> tjaalton: what are the remaining dependencies on 3.9 in main?
[14:12] <tjaalton> libclc is updated, not sure about the others
[14:12] <tjaalton> there aren't many
[15:41] <sinzui> Juju testing is seeing a dbus problem on zesty. Is someone about to comment on bug 1665160
[16:00] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: I confirm that I can launch apps on budgie with downgraded mutter 3.23.90-0ubuntu2
[16:00] <jbicha> could you file bugs with mutter and budgie-desktop upstream?
[16:02] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: thanks for the confirmation.  I'm trying to get a relevant valgrind log - will attach bug reports with it.  cheers
[16:05] <jbicha> we can revert mutter if we need to, but it would be nicer if we could just revert a commit or two if we can isolate what's wrong
[16:24] <jbicha> tseliot: Ubuntu GNOME has suffered from bug 1559576 for the past year
[16:25] <jbicha> if I understand the most recent comments correctly, it can be fixed by making sure the nvidia-* packages depend on xserver-xorg-legacy
[16:25] <jbicha> by the way, GDM3 uses Wayland by default (even though Ubuntu's gnome-shell still uses X by default)
[16:27] <sil2100> slangasek: hey! I think I need a TB member to +1 the SRU release of thunar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1512120
[16:28] <sil2100> slangasek: could you take a look? The procedures on the wiki page mention that in case of microreleases without all bugs mentioned in the changelog and no good test coverage, this is required
[16:36] <slangasek> sil2100: the last TB ruling is that the SRU team have total discretion of how to manage SRUs; are you asking because you think it shouldn't go in as-is?
[16:36] <slangasek> sil2100: oh, you're asking because the wiki page is out of date
[16:36] <sil2100> slangasek: no, I'm asking because I follow the SRU wiki page ;p
[16:36] <slangasek> :)
[16:36] <sil2100> Ok, in that case thanks for the info!
[16:37] <sil2100> The changes look sane, all bugfixes and seriously not much more critical can happen than what's already present
[16:38] <slangasek> sil2100: if this is a deviation from the SRU policy, and it's going to be a recurring theme, we should get a wiki page documenting the exception
[16:42] <rbasak> Yeah I think that should be ~ubuntu-sru policy for anything expected to be recurring.
[16:42] <rbasak> Then we can be consistent to uploaders.
[16:42] <rbasak> And we should document the test plan, what is and isn't acceptable, etc. Effectively TB exceptions but done by ~ubuntu-sru.
[16:43] <tseliot> jbicha: I'll look into that again. The legacy drivers already pull in that package, so I could make sure that the non legacy one does the same.
[16:44] <jbicha> tseliot: great, could you look into SRUing that too?
[16:45] <tseliot> jbicha: yes, it should be doable
[16:56] <tdaitx> robru, regarding britney email: on the very first run, will it sent the package list for each uploader in a single email or will it send 1 email for each package to each uploader?
[16:58] <robru> tdaitx: it sends one email for each individual stuck package it finds.
[17:02] <robru> slangasek: gaughen: tdaitx: ok I made some revisions if you want to re-review the draft
[17:02] <tdaitx> robru, I saw it, it is much better now
[17:03] <robru> thanks
[17:05] <juliank> Eww, anyone has a test case for bug 1657567
[17:06] <juliank> It seems to me that sourceforge has fixed their end, so we need some other server that responds with a Content-Range field on a redirect
[17:07] <tdaitx> robru, made another suggestion as for some reason I don't really like seeing the "newly-stuck" phrase relate to the "large volume" phrase. I think they are somewhat independent
[17:08] <robru> tdaitx: thanks, accepted
[17:17] <juliank> I have a test case now
[17:17] <juliank> But I hijacked my entire domain for it...
[17:22] <juliank> I should add a subdomain for that
[17:22] <juliank> random-stuff.jak-linux.org
[17:23] <juliank> For those wondering, the test case is `/usr/lib/apt/apt-helper download-file -o debug::acquire::http=1 http://www.jak-software.de/lp1657567 ubuntu.iso` now
[18:08] <jbicha> doko: could you look into bug 1669132 ?
[18:23] <nacc> doko: ping/
[18:51] <doko> jbicha: I'll have a look tomorrow
[18:51] <doko> jbicha: for which releases did you check that?
[18:54] <jbicha> doko: zesty, I was using reverse-depends -c main src:gconf
[18:57] <doko> jbicha: could you check that for xenial and yakkety as well? bonus points for trusty ...
[18:58] <jbicha> doko: you just want me to check what's using gconf?
[18:59] <doko> jbicha: we are using the same package for older releases. just want to make sure that we can still backport it, so if gconf is recent enough, then we can apply the change there too
[19:00] <nacc> doko: just looking for any guidance on that liblog4ada regression
[19:02] <jbicha> doko: oh, I believe smcv already did that analysis for precise and up at https://bugs.debian.org/850268
[19:04] <doko> nacc: I need to follow up with the Debian guys ... they had a procedure to follow
[19:04] <doko> jbicha: ok, looking at these tomorrow
[19:04] <nacc> doko: thanks, i am happy to help, just not sure on the order to get everything updated :)
[19:12] <tdaitx> robru, I'm good with the britney2 email changes now, both the announcement and stuck message read well and seem fine =)
[19:19] <doko> tjaalton: done. can you do the llvm-defaults update?
[19:20] <tjaalton> doko: yup, thanks
[19:23] <doko> nacc: it should be according to the build-dependencies
[19:23] <doko> so when in doubt, start from the libs directly using libgnat
[19:24] <nacc> doko: ok, i will try that, thank you
[19:33] <robru> tdaitx: thanks!
[19:39] <nicman23> hello i uploaded a new package to launchpad and i have not gotten any mail indicating rejection or acceptance since 5 hours ago. what gives?
[19:40] <nacc> nicman23: to a PPA?
[19:40] <nicman23> yes
[19:40] <nacc> nicman23: which PPA?
[19:40] <nicman23> https://launchpad.net/~n-fit-8
[19:41] <nacc> nicman23: did dput report success?
[19:41] <nicman23> yes
[19:41] <nicman23> i could try again
[19:41] <nacc> nicman23: you could; and if it really was uploaded, it will get rejected
[19:43] <nicman23> deleted the ppa.upload file and uploading now
[19:43] <nicman23> it reports "Successfully uploaded packages."
[19:44] <sarnold> this says "published 4 hours ago" on wlc-git-... https://launchpad.net/~n-fit-8/+archive/ubuntu/sway-git/+packages
[19:44] <nicman23> yeah that is the other package that is needed
[19:44] <sarnold> aha
[19:47] <nicman23> would it matter if the section was wrong or it would just reject it?
[19:50] <nicman23> also does size matter?
[19:51] <cjwatson> There are a couple of bugs where certain syntax-level errors in the .changes file can cause a silent rejection.
[19:52] <cjwatson> 2017-03-02 19:45:14 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20170302-194329-027611/~n-fit-8/sway-git/sway-git_0.12-rc1-18-gd4aa604-2_source.changes': Unable to find mandatory field 'Date' in
[19:52] <cjwatson> the changes file.
[19:52] <cjwatson> Did you write the .changes file by hand or something?
[19:52] <nicman23> no but i did just run debuild and got 2 errors .......... brb (the software itself works)
[19:53] <cjwatson> I'm not sure how you could end up without a Date field by using the standard tools.
[19:53] <cjwatson> Can you pastebin the .changes file?
[19:59] <nicman23> probably was the errors in debuild. i though i had pushed some changes and worked in another computer .... Should work now
[20:00] <nicman23> man PKGBUILDs are so easier :/
[20:00] <cjwatson> I should finish that LP branch I had lying around to make those rejections not be silent, which would help.
[20:02] <nicman23> btw should i bump the version number?
[20:04] <pitti> Laney: did you change something wrt. kernel pinning? I'm now regularly seeing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:05] <pitti> Laney: the linux-headers-generic there is from xenial-release
[20:06] <cjwatson> nicman23: That's not required in this case, since the upload was rejected.
[20:07] <nicman23> thanks new to launchpad and all :)
[20:07] <cjwatson> nicman23: You can't reuse a version once it's been accepted, so bumping the version is a good habit to be in.
[20:12] <nicman23> cjwatson: in what format should date in changelog be? my locale is greek ..
[20:13] <nicman23> also still nothing
[20:13] <cjwatson> nicman23: Can you please pastebin the .changes file?
[20:13] <nicman23> yes
[20:13] <nacc> nicman23: how are you generating your .changes file? you shouldn't need to know the format really, afaict, using standard tooling
[20:13] <pitti> Laney: although, no change in autopkgtest-cloud, time-wise this rather coincides with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.4.0-64.85
[20:14] <cjwatson> nicman23: You should use dch to maintain debian/changelog, at least when adding new blocks to the top of it.
[20:14] <nicman23> i wrote a script
[20:14] <cjwatson> If your script doesn't use dch, and you have to ask what the format is, then your script is probably wrong :-)
[20:14] <nacc> nicman23: what does your script do?
[20:14] <nacc> nicman23: it seems likely to be what cjwatson said -- i would suggest using the existing tools rather than writing your own :)
[20:15] <nicman23> merge upstream (has no debian folder), rebase, write changelog and debuild -S
[20:15] <nicman23> naac: but that is no fun :P
[20:15] <nacc> nicman23: how does it write the changelog?
[20:15] <nicman23> give me 1
[20:16] <mwhudson> oh great there is some big circular dependency mess of golang packages in zesty-proposed :(
[20:16] <nicman23> it is not complete but here : (keep in mind i am hobbyist) https://github.com/nicman23/sway/blob/debian/upstream.sh
[20:16] <cjwatson> That is almost certainly wrong.
[20:17] <cjwatson> should be date -R
[20:17] <nacc> nicman23: yeah, use dch ...
[20:18] <cjwatson> dch -D xenial -v "$version" -m "Bumped to commit $commit"
[20:18] <cjwatson> or similar
[20:18] <nacc> bdmurray: re: puppet in yakkety-proposed (regression in autopkgtests). It's not an actual regression from this upload, in that it was broken before. Do you want me to fix the tests in a follow-on upload? Not sure it qualifies for SRU, but I have the fix we used for zesty for the same.
[20:19] <nacc> bdmurray: or any advice on that
[20:19] <nicman23> sigh man dch here i go :/
[20:19] <cjwatson> (You may need to set DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL in your environment.)
[20:20] <nicman23> cjwatson: if you care there is the bitbucket http://pastebin.com/ksgu5Cap
[20:20] <cjwatson> Your script may be buggy in another way, by the way: $date seems to be unset when you do git commit -am "fast on date $date"
[20:21] <nicman23> it does not rebase anything atm, master is not updated
[20:21] <nicman23> thanks though :)
[20:21] <cjwatson> I gather that's after you fixed the date in debian/changelog.
[20:21] <nicman23> yes
[20:21] <cjwatson> Since it seems to have the correct date format, and a date that's during this conversation
[20:21] <bdmurray> nacc: remember them for the next SRU is my advice
[20:22] <nacc> bdmurray: ack
[20:24] <nicman23> btw is there anyway to set the package to also be compiled for releases that are not ie xenial, but xenial and later?
[20:28] <nacc> nicman23: normally you upload it multiple times -- maybe copy packages in your ppa can do it, though
[20:28] <nicman23> yeah i though so
[20:30] <jbicha> nicman23: best practice would be to use different version numbers for different series (xenial, yakkety) since different series may be built against different libraries
[20:31] <sarnold> some handy guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging
[20:32] <nicman23> thanks all :) , it got accepted and is building
[20:55] <Laney> hey pitti
[20:56] <Laney> presumably something to do with the kernel rollback?
[21:20] <Laney> pitti: being DoSed by m1.large tests atm, so I can't boot an image to check that it has the bad kernel installed, and I won't be able to rebuild the xenial one
[21:21] <Laney> ah wait, there will be a manifest on cloud-images.u.c
[21:21] <Laney> yeah that looks bad
[21:24] <Laney> smoser: ^- any chance you (or someone, sorry I forgot who to ping) could kick some new xenial daily cloud images out of schedule? they have a kernel which has been removed from updates, causing uninstallability for some autopkgtests
[21:24] <Laney> if not, not a huge deal as the next dailies should be good, but would be nice to get good ones now
[21:37] <javier4> Is there a way to make "sbuild" ignore .dsc checksums? In practice something like this?
[21:37] <javier4> --debbuildopt=--source-option=--nocheck
[21:40] <valorie> cyphermox: after the new updates to zesty last night, laptop didn't freeze overnight! btw the previous day I had purged firefox, but still had freezes
[21:41] <valorie> so fingers crossed and knock on wood -- fixed for me. Fixed for you?
[21:53] <fory> hi guys, got a strange problem, i can connect via SSH during the initial of the boot then it seems i get a message like this "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (tulip): transmit queue 0 timed out" and i cant access the server anymore... the server cant even ping its own gateway... can someone assist?
[22:07] <pitti> Laney: ah, that explains it, thansk!
[22:13] <sarnold> fory: does your NIC driver allow you to disable the watchdog timer? (perhaps via ethtool) did it work on older kernels?
[22:15] <fory> seems like disabling irqbalance solved it!
[22:15] <sarnold> o_O
[22:15] <fory> found it somewhere online
[22:15] <fory> this has happened to me in about 2-3 random VM's
[22:16] <sarnold> please do file a bug against linux; I know the bot will dissuade you at every turn, but "disable irqbalance" doesn't feel like a real solution :)
[22:16] <fory> sure will do, but atm in a clock-rush to deliver this VM :(
[22:17] <fory> murphy's law atm
[22:18] <sarnold> yikes, I'm glad you found the irqbalance workaround then :)
[22:18] <fory> you bet
[22:18] <fory> i'd be jobless if i didnt i guess
[22:54] <cyphermox> valorie: not at all, but part of it is imputable to having too little memory. It's still slow, but less since I switched from unity to gnome-shell to try that out.


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[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:35] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[19:04] <soee> how can i check why some packages were kept back ?
[19:05] <yofel> -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true
[19:05] <yofel> or you can explicitely install them and see what it would remove
[19:09] <soee> ok, thank you
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