[12:29] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: hardinfo (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.5.1-1.4ubuntu1 => 0.5.1-1.4ubuntu2] (lubuntu)
[17:36] <tsimonq2> ooh ooh ooh you see hardinfo, wxl?
[17:36] <tsimonq2> notice here
[17:36] <wxl> um
[17:36] <wxl> no
[17:36] <wxl> weird
[17:36] <wxl> i don';t think i have an ignore that would prohibit that
[17:36] <tsimonq2> 7:29:06 AM my time
[17:37] <wxl> of course my ignore list is freaking huge
[17:37] <tsimonq2> for notices, it might be important to pipe them somewhere so you can read them when you get online
[17:37] <wxl> so that would have been uhhh like 4:29
[17:37] <wxl> so yeeeah i totally see that :/
[17:38] <wxl> ah yes i see it now
[17:38] <wxl> along with synaptic
[20:00] <lynorian> ouch broadcom without eithernet
[20:00] <lynorian> oops thought this was -offtopic
[21:30] <wxl> tsimonq2: you see that thing on lubuntu-devel-notifications?
[21:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: what specifically?
[21:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: well it was to -owner, technically. looks like it was from debian. you should make sure that such mails always pass through to the list
[21:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: I intentionally did that
[21:32] <wxl> oh k tsimonq2
[21:44] <wxl> tsimonq2: another one
[21:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: which I also accepted
[21:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: did you permanently accept so that we don't have to do so in the future?
[21:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: these don't send to owner, they go in the moderation queue...
[21:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: I did
[21:45] <wxl> good job :)
[21:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm keeping an eye on this ;)
[21:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: thx for that
[21:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I know Debian provides notifications when a package happens to migrate places or anything related
[21:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: Launchpad doesn't do that
[21:46] <wxl> neat
[21:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I'm going to code it myself :P
[21:46] <wxl> ooooooh
[21:47] <wxl> people will like that
[21:47] <tsimonq2> ik :D
[22:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: with me doing more and more packaging in Kubuntu and Lubuntu land, it might be wise to drag some documentation folks along so they can make documentation for us :P
[22:12] <wxl> well we don't HAVE any documentation folks :(
[22:12] <wxl> maybe we can coerce valorie
[22:12] <tsimonq2> yeah lol
[22:16] <tsimonq2> poor lubuntu packageset, no uploaders :( http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/yakkety/lubuntu
[22:17] <wxl> yeah we'll fix that
[22:17] <wxl> s/funny/unicode/
[22:17] <wxl> certainly not funny for his locale
[22:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: should we try to convice Julien to get ~lubuntu-dev upload access then add us? :P
[22:18] <wxl> ooops
[22:20] <wxl> well, certainly the first part
[23:11] <Unit193> He's MOTU, superset.


[00:01] <vorlon> infinity: I'm surprised to discover that my local checkout of the bionic branch of the platform seed has diverged from the master repo, with all kinds of changes lost (which were not just mine and were not local to me).  Did you do a force push?
[00:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vala [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.40.17-0ubuntu1]
[00:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted urdfdom [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0-2ubuntu0.1]
[00:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted urdfdom-headers [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0-1ubuntu0.1]
[00:30] <RAOF> kyrofa: Done. Does this need to trigger any rebuilds from the urdfdom-headers change?
[00:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zsys [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.2.2+19.04]
[01:25] <infinity> vorlon: No?  Is it even possible to force push LP git?
[01:26] <infinity> vorlon: Or does the part where you're saying "force push" mean you're looking at an old bzr branch?
[01:27] <vorlon> infinity: it absolutely is possible to force push
[01:27] <infinity> I certainly haven't.
[01:28] <vorlon> and someone has, because: Your branch and 'origin/bionic' have diverged,
[01:28] <vorlon> and have 52 and 13 different commits each, respectively.
[01:30] <vorlon> hmm it seems possible that my local bionic branch is somehow fast-forwarded to cosmic instead (?)
[01:31] <vorlon> infinity: ok yeah this may just be some local damage to my branches where I have merged the wrong thing onto bionic or such; ignore me
[01:32] <infinity> Oops.
[01:32] <vorlon> because my current local bionic branch /is/ fast-forwardable from eoan :P
[01:53] <jbicha> vorlon: please remove geary/s390x from focal. See Debian bug 942247 . Let me know if you want a LP bug too
[02:05] <jbicha> and remove gnome-shell-pomodoro/s390x (because gnome-shell isn't available on s390x)
[02:40] <Trevinho> bdmurray: hey, do you have any clue why lots of errors we're getting (with quite high numbers) aren't symbolized at all in e.u.c ?
[02:40] <Trevinho> like https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/22604ee7a4d0636f6d9b73da88db9f02effb1c28
[02:40] <Trevinho> or https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d9e677e26af6d449d080b5d3c14ad1bafa95ca53
[02:43] <mwhudson> Trevinho: is that not because retracing is generically broken in eoan
[02:43] <Trevinho> :)
[02:43] <Trevinho> :(*
[02:44] <mwhudson> Trevinho: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-October/040832.html
[02:45] <Trevinho> mwhudson: I see, thanks for pointing me out that!
[02:46] <infinity> Trevinho: Should be fixing it tomorrow, ish.
[02:46] <Trevinho> infinity: good to hear, ofc I assume for new reports only, right?
[02:48] <infinity> Trevinho: No idea what bdmurray plans to do about old tracing jobs, maybe they can be re-run.  But the general bug (empty Contents files for eoan) should be fixed tomorrow unless the LP folks end up with more important fires to put out.
[02:49] <Trevinho> I see, ta
[05:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unclutter [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [8-25] (no packageset)
[07:48] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: this still applies? 'please kick opencv out from proposed, it makes the current stuff mostly unbuildable... and we can't move forward'
[07:48] <RikMills> Qt is getting there, but will need some help
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg> yes RikMills, OI think opencv is not nearly ready from transition, no way...
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg> https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-opencv.html
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg> only 9 packages out of 26 are ready...
[08:02] <RikMills> oooh. that won't work well here then!
[08:10] <LocutusOfBorg> can any AA please do this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-webdav/+bug/1850603 ? and then decruft NBS bzr?
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected python3.8 [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.8.0-1~18.04]
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rygel (eoan-proposed/main) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.1 => 0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2] (desktop-extra)
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python3-stdlib-extensions [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.6.9-1~18.04]
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected rygel [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2]
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python3.8 [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.8.0-3~18.04]
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rygel (eoan-proposed/main) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.1 => 0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2] (desktop-extra)
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (xenial-proposed/main) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.22 => 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.23] (core)
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python3.8 [s390x] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-3~18.04] (no packageset)
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python3.8 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-3~18.04] (no packageset)
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (bionic-proposed/main) [2:13.0.2-0ubuntu2 => 2:13.0.2-0ubuntu3] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted otb [amd64] (focal-proposed) [7.0.0+dfsg-1]
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted policy-rcd-declarative [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.3]
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted otb [i386] (focal-proposed) [7.0.0+dfsg-1]
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unclutter [amd64] (focal-proposed) [8-25]
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.40 => 2.42.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.40+18.04 => 2.42.1+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (disco-proposed/main) [2.41+19.04 => 2.42.1+19.04] (core)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (eoan-proposed/main) [2.41+19.10.1 => 2.42.1+19.10] (core)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python3.8 [i386] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-3~18.04] (no packageset)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected packagekit [source] (disco-proposed) [1.1.12-5ubuntu0.1]
[14:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsyslog [source] (disco-proposed) [8.32.0-1ubuntu7.1]
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsyslog [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.32.0-1ubuntu4.1]
[14:29] <bdmurray> infinity, Trevinho: when a crash has not been successfully retraced the Error Tracker keeps trying so once Contents files are there and we get a new crash it should retrace
[15:12] <doko> apw: linux-oem-tools-4.15.0-1060/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: libbinutils (<< 2.30.1)  looks like this isn't yet fixed
[15:12] <apw> doko, /me looks at that one with his angry face ... dammit
[15:15] <apw> doko, as long as that is only stopping that one migrating i am not so worried; is it stopping anything you are doing ?
[15:16] <apw> doko, so i cna look at it later
[15:16] <doko> apw: no just blocking itself
[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python3.8 [arm64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-3~18.04] (no packageset)
[15:31] <seb128> could some SRU team member review the followup-SRU for rygel in the eoan queue?
[15:32] <seb128> rbasak, ^ maybe?
[15:32] <rbasak> Looking
[15:32] <seb128> vorlon, or maybe you, I would still welcome another opinion on the actual postinst/systemd job handling changes
[15:33] <seb128> rbasak, thx
[15:35] <rbasak> seb128: has there been any consideration of whether this needs to go in via the security pocket?
[15:35]  * rbasak continues reviewing
[15:36] <vorlon> jbicha: geary/s390x removed
[15:36] <vorlon> seb128: sorry, can't look right now
[15:37] <seb128> vorlon, no worry
[15:37] <seb128> rbasak, I asked on #security on friday, mdeslaur said he would copy it there once the SRU is verified/migrated to updates
[15:37] <rbasak> He doesn't need it built specially to do that?
[15:38] <seb128> unsure, I guess it needs to not depends on things which are in updates and not -security
[15:40] <rbasak> Ah, looks like he said he'd rebuild it for -security
[15:40] <seb128> ah, sorry, didn't remember that detail
[15:40] <seb128> that makes sense :)
[15:41] <rbasak> seb128: the upload looks good, just one question - should we be using -v0.38.1-2ubuntu3?
[15:41] <rbasak> To include the previous upload in the changes file so users see both?
[15:41] <seb128> rbasak, the previous entry references the same bug so it doesn't make much of a difference
[15:42] <seb128> but I'm happy to reupload if you prefer
[15:42] <rbasak> seb128: only to users reading via apt-listchanges etc
[15:42] <rbasak> And doesn't the update manager reproduce that text?
[15:42] <seb128> it does
[15:43] <rbasak> I would prefer a re-upload please, unless that's awkward for you or you disagree in principle that it's the right thing to do.
[15:43] <seb128> rbasak, in the queue*
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rygel (eoan-proposed/main) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.1 => 0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2] (desktop-extra)
[15:44] <seb128> ^
[15:44] <infinity> rbasak: -vfoo has no impact on apt-listchanges...
[15:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected rygel [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2]
[15:45] <infinity> It literally only defines what shows up in .changes uploaded to the queue which, in turn, defines LP bugs closed, and how much context shows on the package version page in LP.
[15:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python3.8 [armhf] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-3~18.04] (no packageset)
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rygel [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.38.1-2ubuntu3.2]
[15:48] <rbasak> infinity: ah, OK
[15:48] <rbasak> seb128: accepted, and sorry for asking for that then
[15:49] <seb128> rbasak, thanks! and no worry, it was trivial to do :)
[15:51] <rbasak> seb128: you're welcome. I just thought - is the upgrade path also resolved in Focal?
[15:52] <seb128> rbasak, I uploaded to Debian some hours ago, I'm merging back now
[15:52] <rbasak> OK, no problem, thanks.
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [s390x] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-21.22] (core, kernel)
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (disco-proposed/main) [5.0.0-34.36] (core, kernel)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [arm64] (disco-proposed/main) [5.0.0-34.36] (core, kernel)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-21.22] (core, kernel)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-21.22] (core, kernel)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/main) [5.0.0-34.36] (core, kernel)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [arm64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-21.22] (core, kernel)
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-34.36]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-34.36]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-21.22]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-21.22]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [arm64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-34.36]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-21.22]
[16:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-21.22]
[16:14]  * vorlon wonders how a version of pyfai got into the release pocket (2 cycles ago) that never had its autopkgtests run
[16:24] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: hey, ubuntustudio-meta (ubuntustudio-fonts) needs updated to drop references to a lot of obsolete ttf-* named packages (the current font naming policy is fonts-* and has been for a while)
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdb (bionic-proposed/main) [8.1-0ubuntu3.1 => 8.1-0ubuntu3.2] (core)
[16:27] <vorlon> (sadly it seems a lot of fonts still haven't transitioned to this naming policy despite being multiple years old)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gdb [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.1-0ubuntu3.2]
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdb [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.1-0ubuntu3.2]
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (xenial-proposed/main) [2.408.55 => 2.408.56] (desktop-core)
[16:33] <sil2100> rbasak: hey! Are you doing your SRU shift today still? I have a few SRUs in flight that I'd appreciate a review on - livecd-rootfs for xenial/bionic and ubuntu-release-upgrader for disco/eoan
[16:33] <sil2100> It's not super urgent of course, so if you're busy or want to get things reviewed in order, I guess this can wait
[16:37] <infinity> sil2100: "Currently we are building core18 images using devel (eoan previously, now focal)" <--- Filthy lies. ;)
[16:37] <infinity> (It's actually using eoan)
[16:37] <infinity> sil2100: Also, I'll take the livecd-rootfs reviews.
[16:41] <infinity> sil2100: Your bionic upload backports the EXTRA_SNAPS feature, but not the amd64+kassel case I see in devel?
[16:43] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Thanks, I'll get on that.
[16:44] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: actually once I worked out it was the meta package I realized I should JFDI
[16:44] <sil2100> infinity: ok, thought we already migrated to focal - in that case it's a lie indeed ;p
[16:44] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: haha! Yep, I noticed as soon as I did a pull that you did it yourself. XD
[16:44] <sil2100> infinity: yeah, just the EXTRA_SNAPS thing, this is to be able to specify custom extra snaps via the livefs builder parameters
[16:44] <infinity> sil2100: I migrated backwards to bionic, the world exploded, and I then migrated to eoan. ;)
[16:45] <infinity> sil2100: So, is the amd64+kassel case dead code?
[16:45] <sil2100> infinity: since apparently some people just want to use the extra_snaps metadata override just like the extra_ppa one
[16:46] <sil2100> infinity: hm, I guess it might be good to include that into bionic as well actually
[16:46] <sil2100> Let me re-upload
[16:48] <sil2100> (only for bionic though)
[16:50] <infinity> sil2100: Okay, the second question was going to be "you're aware that build metadata has to be explicitly passed through from lp-buildd, right?", but it looks like Colin committed extra_snaps to lp-buildd 178, which is running on all builders as of Very Recently.
[16:50] <sil2100> infinity: yes, we're using it already for eoan+, but yeah, this would stop working if we started building core18 images on bionic (as we should be ;p)
[16:52] <rbasak> Ah, thank you for taking livecd-rootfs. That's not a package I enjoy looking at!
[16:52]  * rbasak looks at ubuntu-release-upgrader
[16:53] <infinity> sil2100: +/-0 for not fixing the typo in 999-cpc-fixes when changing the line anyway. :P
[16:54] <infinity> sil2100: Erm, and you changed the logic of that script.
[16:56] <sil2100> infinity: yes, sadly ;/
[16:56] <rbasak> sil2100: the LP ubuntu-release-upgrader diff in the Eoan queue looks mostly unrelated to the changelog entry. Is this a mistake or is there some special process for this package I don't know about?
[16:57] <sil2100> rbasak: that's normal, with each SRU of u-r-u we always update demotions and translations, it's part of the package build process
[16:58] <sil2100> infinity: so the logic got changed because for bionic we still 'support' the legacy armhf+raspi2 images that did not use ubuntu-image for building, but the old preinstalled machinery
[16:58] <infinity> sil2100: That doesn't actually answe why the logic was changed.
[16:59] <sil2100> infinity: I changed the logic of cpc-fixes now to actually still do the old 'fake_cloud_init' stuff for raspi2 and not for the raspi3
[16:59] <sil2100> infinity: the logic had to be changed because linux-image-raspi2 is present in both raspi2 old images and raspi3 ubuntu-image new images
[17:00] <sil2100> So it was no longer feasible to gate on that, so instead I had to export SUBARCH from auto/config and key on that instead
[17:00] <sil2100> I didn't want to change anything in the existing old raspi2 pieces, so I wanted raspi2 to still use all the old code-paths
[17:00] <RikMills> could qtx11extras-opensource-src qtbase-opensource-src & qtx11extras-opensource-src be force-skiptest please? libreoffice fail is clearly not their fault
[17:01] <infinity> sil2100: Wait, rpi2 and rpi3 in bionic are built differently?
[17:01] <sil2100> But at the same time, I wanted the new ubuntu-image raspi3 bits to be the same to waht we have in eoan, with a custom hook for it etc.
[17:01] <sil2100> infinity: yessss
[17:01] <infinity> That's... Kinda crazy.
[17:01] <sil2100> infinity: because for bionic release we still had raspi2 building the old way, with raspi3 added to the mix when we still weren't sure if it worked everywhere
[17:01] <infinity> (And still doesn't entirely answer why the flow changed, when it apparently worked for the last point release?)
[17:02] <infinity> I'm not questioning the move to use subarch instead of dpkg -l, I'm questioning the obvious change of control flow.
[17:02] <sil2100> infinity: it worked, but we modified the workflow for eoan+ images a bit, moving the cloud-init datasource to the boot partition, so to keep stuff consistent I backported that change to bionic as well
[17:03] <sil2100> infinity: the reason for that is that, sigh, we use *one* gadget tree for all the images
[17:04] <infinity> ...
[17:04] <infinity> But doesn't the gadget contain the bootloader?
[17:04] <infinity> Which implies that bionic images have... focal's u-boot?
[17:04] <sil2100> Yeah, the gadget contains the bootloader, but right now also includes the nocloud datasource as well
[17:05] <sil2100> No no
[17:05] <sil2100> It's the same *gadget tree*, but built for each series
[17:05] <sil2100> Like, the same gadget code
[17:05] <infinity> Oh, gross.
[17:05] <infinity> But less gross than the thing I assumed.
[17:05] <sil2100> Yeah, I think it's all getting a bit fishy with all the series in flight
[17:05] <sil2100> Anyway, I guess I *could* drop this change from the SRU
[17:06] <sil2100> But I wanted to backport it because as said, we currently have one gadget tree that has all the configs, and since we use it for both bionic and eoan we might forget about it at one point and break the images
[17:07] <infinity> It's okay, I just need to spend more brain cells reviewing this.
[17:07] <sil2100> Also, right now if we decide we want to change something in the datasource, we need to change it in both the gadget tree (for eoan+) and in the bionic livecd-rootfs
[17:07] <sil2100> Which is not a big deal really
[17:07] <infinity> Are we positive that IMAGEFORMAT=none (who invented this?) only affects you?
[17:08] <sil2100> Yeah, when we checked this a while ago we were the only ones using it, I think Steve proposed using this value
[17:08] <sil2100> It was a long long time ago
[17:08] <sil2100> Crazy times
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1005.5] (core, kernel)
[17:09] <infinity> sil2100: Alright, can you give me an upload that includes the amd64+whatever EXTRA_SNAPS too (or remove it from focal+ if it's dead code :P)
[17:09] <vorlon> if I proposed such a value it was only because it wired through to something particular in live-build, I think?
[17:10] <sil2100> vorlon: possibly yes
[17:11] <sil2100> infinity: coming your way in like a minute (or two)
[17:11] <infinity> It probably means what it implies: don't build an image.
[17:11] <infinity> But that makes it a poor check for "is this a raspi image" or even "is this a cloud-init-using tarball".
[17:11] <infinity> But maybe isolating it to ubuntu-cpc is sort of doing the latter.
[17:14] <sil2100> infinity: yeah, I left a comment in that hook regarding that - at some point we might want to key for certain images, but right now it didn't make sense
[17:14] <sil2100> And I was a bit shruggy about updating the special list everytime we add a new classic image, as currently all those would use the same datasource scheme anyway
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[17:15] <sil2100> infinity: ok, uploaded, hopefully I didn't typo something while doing it
[17:15] <sil2100> infinity: thanks for the reviews btw.! I know it's all very confusing and weird
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[17:16] <sil2100> I also felt weird backporting this
[17:16] <sil2100> But not backporting it was also making me feel weird
[17:16] <infinity> sil2100: As for Robie's question, I too find the demotion changes suspicious.
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[17:16] <infinity> sil2100: For instance, gcc-7 (and all its many binaries) *were* demoted between bionic and eoan, so why are they suddenly removed from the demoted.bionic list in the SRU?
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[17:17] <vorlon> wow, here's a cute desktop bug, my system is not under load, but all keyboard input into my application windows is on a 10 second delay.  not my input to the kernel or to gnome-shell... just applications.
[17:18] <infinity> sil2100: Ditto for gcc-7/gcc-8 in demoted.cfg (disco->eoan).
[17:18] <infinity> sil2100: Kinda seems like something went wrong there.
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[17:18] <sil2100> infinity: hm hm, the only thing I did was the usual pre-build.sh thing, let me check what it's doing
[17:19] <infinity> sil2100: If in doubt, reupload without pre-build, IMO.  But digging into WTF is going on there would also be nice.
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[17:19] <sil2100> I mean, I always see a big diff there always, so this time I just went all *meh*
[17:19] <sil2100> Will do
[17:19] <infinity> sil2100: The "big diff" should *only* be mirrors.  There should never be a diff in demotions in an SRU unless something Very Special is happening in the archive.
[17:20] <infinity> sil2100: FWIW, the disco upload looks clean.
[17:21] <sil2100> infinity: indeed, guess I was a bit confused since the previous eoan upload had this diff, so I was like: "oh, so that's normal?"
[17:21] <sil2100> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/446446612/ubuntu-release-upgrader_1%3A19.10.14_1%3A19.10.15.diff.gz
[17:21] <infinity> sil2100, rbasak: I'm going to reject the eoan ubuntu-release-upgrader for now, based on the sketchy demotions diffs.
[17:21] <sil2100> I should have read into that ;p
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[17:22] <infinity> sil2100: So, Steve's looks like it was fixing a previous one being wrong.  More and more curious.
[17:22] <infinity> sil2100: And yours reverted that somehow.  So, the script is clearly full of hate.
[17:22] <infinity> I wonder if it doesn't work in pl_PL. :P
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[17:26] <infinity> sil2100: Oh, it might also be not-too-bright and sensitive to the release you run it on?
[17:26] <rbasak> ubuntu-release-upgrader on Disco looks good to me
[17:27] <infinity> (Though, then I'd question how Steve ever got it right when running disco, unless he pre-built in an eoan chroot)
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[17:47] <sil2100> infinity: ok, re-uploaded without the demotions, but with .po updates and mirrors (not sure if those are botched as well?)
[17:48] <infinity> sil2100: Did you discover why/how demotions were getting messed up, or did you just mangle it by hand?
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[17:49] <infinity> sil2100: Translations "updates" are expected, due to the line number shuffle when you added lines to do-release-upgrade.  The curiosity there is why that didn't happen in disco, but it's also no big deal if it didn't.
[17:51] <infinity> Maybe that string wasn't translated in disco.  That would explain it.  Since it seems to be the last one in the .po
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[18:25] <cjwatson> Republished eoan with correct (non-empty) Contents files
[18:28] <RikMills> vorlon: could qtx11extras-opensource-src qtbase-opensource-src & qtx11extras-opensource-src be force-skiptest please? libreoffice fail is not their fault
[18:30] <RikMills> also libgeotiff/1.5.1-2 as gnudatalanguage has been failing against almost everything all through eoan and now focal
[18:42] <vorlon> RikMills: skiptest is almost always the wrong answer rather than badtesting the failing package; I'll have to look
[18:42] <vorlon> cjwatson: \o/ thanks!
[18:43] <RikMills> vorlon: point taken
[18:46] <doko> please not, if me theory is right, then a re-run with the currently building gcc-9 should clear that
[18:49] <doko> my even ...
[19:25] <vorlon> doko: why is that a reason not to ignore the failing tests now, and unblock the various things it's currently blocking?
[19:27] <doko> vorlon: why was it a reason not to unblock the tests triggered gpgme1.0 and libxml when I asked last week?
[19:27] <vorlon> did I say it wasn't?
[19:28] <doko> yes
[19:28] <vorlon> was it clear, and clearly communicated, that it was a regression in the release pocket at the time?
[19:29] <vorlon> I don't think it's true that I ever said the libreoffice failures shouldn't be overridden
[19:29] <doko> what is the way to document that it's a regression in the release pocket
[19:29] <vorlon> doko: retrigger the test against the release pocket.
[19:29] <doko> how is this documented?
[19:30] <vorlon> what documentation did you read before asking these questions?
[19:30] <vorlon> I told *you* about this at least once before
[19:30] <doko> so how can I see that either you or Rik checked that?
[19:30] <vorlon> you would look on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/focal/amd64 for a run listed with a trigger of libreoffice/
[19:31] <vorlon> (there hasn't been one; I'm going to add one to the queue but not necessarily wait for the results)
[19:32] <vorlon> in this case, there's enough data for me to say that libreoffice is failing regardless of *which* package is pulled in from -proposed, which gives me confidence to say that it also fails if *no* packages are pulled from proposed, which is why I won't wait
[19:33] <RikMills> I looked at the history, where it i failing against an impressive variety of things
[19:33]  * RikMills nods
[19:34] <vorlon> the libreoffice autopkgtest has been run two dozen times in the past week, there was certainly time for someone to have triggered a --no-proposed test before now so that the baseline would be visible in the history
[19:35] <doko> how I can I see a no-proposed trigger on the web page?
[19:36] <vorlon> doko: again, it would be the one that has the source package itself listed as the trigger, instead of some other package from -proposed
[19:36] <vorlon> when we implement automated baseline re-testing, we should and will annotate this differently
[19:37] <doko> so you have to check the version, and know that this version is in the release pocket?
[19:37] <vorlon> anyway, I'm glad to hear that the fix for the autopkgtest is in progress; in the meantime, now that it's clear that the test is regressed in proposed, I've hinted it
[19:38] <vorlon> doko: it would usually be clear from context, because every test is against the version in the release pocket unless run with --all-proposed.  Yes, this requires special understanding of the infrastructure, and as I say when we implement baseline re-testing we'll display it better
[19:39] <vorlon> currently the --no-proposed tests are not a feature of the infrastructure, they're just exploiting an implementation detail of triggers
[20:05] <RikMills> vorlon: could I get libgeotiff/1.5.1-2 and proj/6.2.0-1build1 hinted as well?
[20:05] <RikMills> oh, just proj now
[20:07] <RikMills> proj 6.2.0 has r-cran-lwgeom armhf failing, but that also now fails in same way against other things when proj 5.2 from release is used
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[21:58] <RikMills> vorlon: I think I might have just got proj to pass with some twiddling of triggers.
[21:58]  * RikMills waits for results to update
[22:56] <RikMills> yeah, that did it :)
[22:57] <RikMills> hopefully not much else blocks Qt
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[23:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgfincore [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: first-last-agg [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: orafce [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: orafce [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-checksums [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-dirtyread [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.2-1] (no packageset)
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[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-snakeoil [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-stat-kcache [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.1.1-3] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgextwlist [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.10-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: first-last-agg [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-checksums [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-qualstats [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.9-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-snakeoil [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgextwlist [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.10-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgmemcache [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-7] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgpool2 [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgq [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-asn1oid [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2-3] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-ogr-fdw [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.8-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: orafce [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.8.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-repack [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.4.5-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgfincore [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgq [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-ogr-fdw [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.8-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-cron [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgpool2 [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-stat-kcache [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.1.1-3] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-asn1oid [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2-3] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgpool2 [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-ogr-fdw [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.8-2] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgpool2 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2] (no packageset)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-ogr-fdw [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.8-2] (no packageset)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgpool2 [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [4.0.6-2] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [arm64] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [armhf] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [arm64] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [i386] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [arm64] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libiconloader-java [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.0+git20170615+dfsg1-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgextwlist [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.10-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [i386] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [arm64] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-snakeoil [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgmemcache [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-7] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgq [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [s390x] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgfincore [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgsql-ogr-fdw [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.8-2] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgmemcache [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-7] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [arm64] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [s390x] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [s390x] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-checksums [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [s390x] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: first-last-agg [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-cron [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-rational [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-cron [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pgq-node [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [3.2.5-6] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pg-qualstats [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.9-1] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [s390x] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ip4r [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ip4r [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spatialindex [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.9.3-1] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spatialindex [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.9.3-1] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ip4r [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.4.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: spatialindex [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.9.3-1] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [armhf] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [armhf] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgpool2 [amd64] (focal-proposed) [4.0.6-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [armhf] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgtap [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [armhf] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted commons-text [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.8-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [armhf] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdata-url-java [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.1-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [amd64] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [armhf] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq [i386] (focal-proposed) [3.2.6-34-g50068b2-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [armhf] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-ogr-fdw [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.0.8-2]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-stat-kcache [i386] (focal-proposed) [2.1.1-3]
[23:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgmemcache [i386] (focal-proposed) [2.3.0-7]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libiconloader-java [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.0+git20170615+dfsg1-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [i386] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgextwlist [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.10-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgq-node [amd64] (focal-proposed) [3.2.5-6]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-snakeoil [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.2-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgsql-asn1oid [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.2-3]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-repack [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.4.5-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pgfincore [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted orafce [amd64] (focal-proposed) [3.8.0-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [i386] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-rational [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.0.1-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted first-last-agg [i386] (focal-proposed) [0.1.4-4-gd63ea3b-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-cron [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-qualstats [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0.9-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-checksums [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.0-2]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [s390x] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pg-dirtyread [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.2-1]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [armhf] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [armhf] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [arm64] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [s390x] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [i386] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ip4r [i386] (focal-proposed) [2.4.1-2]
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted spatialindex [arm64] (focal-proposed) [1.9.3-1]
[23:42] <vorlon> RikMills: related, however, is that r-cran-lwgeom isn't migratable due to r-cran-sf autopkgtest regressions (and why do these two packages depend on each other?!)


[01:04] <Bashing-om> !9.04
[01:04] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 23, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:48] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> bbl shopping
[07:04] <Bashing-om> bbl sleeping
[07:06] <ducasse> good morning
[07:36] <wajideus> if canonical stays with the decision to use gnome 3 as the DE for 18.04, I'm gonna have to jump ship to Kubuntu
[07:41] <Ben64> yeah it's gonna be gnome
[07:42]  * wajideus plugs ears
[07:42] <wajideus> they have 4 years to change their mind, or else
[07:49] <Ben64> i don't see why it matters?
[07:50] <wajideus> it matters because gnome 3 is hideous and extremely buggy
[07:51] <wajideus> I just tried out the latest version of ubuntu gnome earlier today
[07:52] <wajideus> I now have a CD entitled, "A Mentally Handicapped Version Of Ubuntu 16.04" in sharpie
[07:52] <Ben64> but i mean, use whatever DE you want, it's all still ubuntu
[07:52] <ducasse> so you are going to install from another image. big deal...
[07:52] <wajideus> I know I can just switch to Kubuntu
[07:53] <wajideus> I'm just disappointed that canonical chose to officially support the worst possible option
[07:54] <Ben64> lol
[07:54] <ducasse> the worst option in your opinion, not in everyone's.
[07:54] <wajideus> do you think that's a worse non-x option than gnome?
[07:55]  * wajideus raises brow
[07:55] <ducasse> no clue, haven't even tried gnome on wayland _or_ x.
[07:56] <ducasse> but i do know some people like it.
[07:56] <wajideus> gnome 3 isn't even a desktop environment. it's a tablet environment, that fudges up anything that uses gtk2 and breaks plugins and themes with every minor revision
[07:57] <wajideus> ootb, the title bars are about twice as thick as the ones in unity
[07:57] <wajideus> there are no desktop icons by default
[07:58] <wajideus> and the solid black activity bar at the top of the screen is a completely useless waste of screen real-estate
[07:59] <sirru5h> Hey wajideus you have rtl 8188ee wifi adapter?  I got one on my other box and I haven't put linux on it because when I first looked n 2014 there were no drivers
[07:59] <wajideus> yeah
[07:59] <wajideus> one I'm on right now actually
[07:59] <sirru5h> cool i'm going to look around for the drivers see what I can find
[08:00] <sirru5h> its not out of the box support I am figuring correct?
[08:00] <wajideus> nah, it worked out of the box on both ubuntu and arch
[08:01] <sirru5h> oh wow okay well that sounds pretty good I might be running it a dual boot then thanks for the info.  greatly appreciate it.
[08:02] <wajideus> np
[08:02] <sirru5h> btw what was the "hp" value in /etc/modprob
[08:02] <sirru5h> that you were talking about as its an HP machine
[08:03] <wajideus> I think I might have actually been thinking about my sound card. idk. it was something I did a while back on one of my laptops
[08:03] <sirru5h> ahh okay well either way I can figure it out.  I'm semi new to ubuntu but not linux.
[08:05] <wajideus> basically what I was talking about was that the kernel has a hard time distinguishing between certain types of adapters for some reason, so some adapters require you to manually specify something like "hp-laptop" as a hint in the configuration
[08:06] <wajideus> the driver is basically the same, but there's subtle quirks that cause problems
[08:08] <sirru5h> ahh okay makes sense I remember in 98 first using linux I had a 28kbs modem and in order to make it work I had to always manually insmod when I wanted it to work and if I left it in and forgot to rmmod it wouldn't work on the next boot
[08:08] <jink> I have a problem with postfix not being able to bind to my IPv6 address, since the network isn't fully ready yet, despite the "Wants=network-online.target".  https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/280183/65174 seems to be a way to fix that.  Should I do that?
[08:09] <ducasse> jink: ask in #ubuntu
[08:09] <wajideus> in my personal opinion, whole linux driver/library situation is fundamentally fudged
[08:10] <sirru5h> well there are many resources and to be honest for a person just starting that terminal is a bit scarey
[08:11] <wajideus> in an ideal os, there's only 2 things you're concerned about: ipc between kernel and user space, and abstraction of hardware
[08:12] <wajideus> the first problem can be solved by simply passing a vector table through a system call or shared memory (aka. a device context). The second can be solved in user space
[08:13] <wajideus> eg. mapping 8 audio channels down to 2 (7.1 surround -> stereo) with a mixer
[08:13] <wajideus> or blitting one surface to another with a different pixel format
[08:14] <sirru5h> yeah simplifying the solution while dealing with the hardware
[08:15] <sirru5h> also if you would have more resources with less audio channels to deal with
[08:17] <sirru5h> ha that simple solution actually just gave me an idea for something I was working on brb
[10:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:20] <sirru5h> Good morning BluesKaj
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi sirru5h
[11:22] <sirru5h> How are you doing BluesKaj
[11:24] <BluesKaj> sirru5h, fine thanks, and you ?
[11:24] <sirru5h> I think I'm doing alright troubleshooting a few things on my system
[11:26] <sirru5h> two night ago my computer died my dog um chewed up my external hd, she had chewed up the remote for the tv so hd was next i guess
[11:26] <sirru5h> so I been busy installing and decided to try out ubuntu which I had not used in years
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, sounds like your dog has a mineral deficiency in her diet.
[11:31] <sirru5h> haha she also chewed up the leg of our bed about 2 years ago
[11:32] <sirru5h> its alright as it gives me a reason to experiment a bit.  Ubuntu has really come a long way
[11:34] <sirru5h> I've been so used to apt-get and synatpic, but it looks very sleek now. Last time I used ubuntu was maybe hoary hedgehog days
[11:40] <BluesKaj> been a while alright
[11:45] <sirru5h> yup sure has but I'm sure after a few days more I'll feel right at home
[11:45] <BluesKaj> I still prefer KDE, I found out right around the same time (2005) that gnome wasn't my cup o' tea. Unity didn't help either :-)
[11:48] <sirru5h> haha yeah I have been struggling I just am not used to all the flash
[11:49] <sirru5h> that said ubuntu has really improved greatly.
[11:51] <sirru5h> ha seems as if it doesn't have the right stuff to run my bluetooth
[11:58] <BluesKaj> bluetooth apps should be installed by default , but depends on the devices
[12:02] <ad> Is there any way to limit my partners internet speed, He is always downloading some torrent and thus hogging the network. we are on a lan connected through a router. OS on his pc windows 7 and my pc ubuntu. There are parental controls on router but they either block his connection entirely or provide url based filters. Can anyone suggest any neat simple way to limit the speed of his connection so that we others can atleast browse normally.
[12:03] <ducasse> ad: ask in ##networking
[12:03] <ad> ducasse, ok thanks
[12:03] <ducasse> ad: (you want qos)
[12:05] <sirru5h> well gonna reboot see if this works
[12:07] <BluesKaj> ad mpst torrent clients can set a DL limit in options/settings
[12:07] <BluesKaj> most
[12:07] <ad> BluesKaj, but for that i have to access his machine
[12:07] <ducasse> that depends on him agreeing to lower his speed, qos on the router doesn't :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ad , have an adult discussuion with him about his torrent client settings :-)
[12:21] <ad> thanks guys, ducasse, QoS is the way to go. will google the rest.
[12:24] <ducasse> ad: np. be aware that many common (cheap) routers don't support qos in any meaningful way.
[12:25] <ad> ducasse, there are options of setting QoS in tenda (the cheap one i have). Though I need to learn how to setup.
[12:29] <ducasse> ad: the people in ##networking can probably help with that
[12:29] <BluesKaj> ad convince him to use qbittorrent client.if all else fails, one can set download and uploads speeds very easily in the speed options
[12:32] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:34] <ad> BluesKaj, I use qbittorrent in ubuntu. didnt knew it is available for windows too.
[12:34] <ad> its a nice torrent client
[12:35] <ducasse> even exists for mac, iirc
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yup all 3 platforms
[13:18] <LordZedd> Can someone show me the meaning of being lonely
[16:56] <sebsebseb> hi


[10:44] <Tung_vn> when we can download the official of ubuntu 15:04?
[10:45] <k1l> "when its done" :)
[10:45] <k1l> plan with afternoon timeframe
[10:47] <Tung_vn> I was in Vietnam and now is 5.47 pm. @@
[10:48] <k1l> well, more of a western timezone :)