[01:34] <persia> What would be the best place to request a change to the documentation visible from http://doc.ubuntu.com/?
[01:35] <mdke> persia: here, the mailing list, or the bugtracker
[01:37] <persia> mdke: The specific request is to add simple-patchsys.mk to the example CDBS rules file in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-cdbs.html.  I'd be happy to use the bugtracker, but I'm not sure which - it is Malone?
[01:38] <LaserJock> persia: I can field that one ;-)
[01:38] <persia> LaserJock, mdke: Thank you.
[01:39] <LaserJock> persia: but I don't see why simple-patchsys.mk is needed
[01:40] <persia> LaserJock: Because some of the senior MOTUs recommend against adding a new patch system to a package, as the Debian maintainers have complained, but without a patch system, the changes are not restricted to the debian/ directory.  For new packages, it seems best practice to encourage the definition of the preferred patch system prior to any patches being applied, so as to prevent later direct patches.
[01:41] <persia> (note that senior in this case just means having been around a longer time)
[01:42] <LaserJock> persia: but that example there are no patches
[01:42] <LaserJock> *in that
[01:43] <LaserJock> persia: however, for Edgy we will be doing a much better treatment of patch systems and then your point will be perfectly valid
[01:43] <persia> persia: simple-patchsys doesn't crash when there are no patches, and no patches directory: it just doesn't do anything.  Without this, cdbs-edit-patch won't work properly unless one manually adds one of the patch systems to the rules file.
[01:44] <LaserJock> persia: ok, can you send me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>an email about it. I gotta get home now.
[01:44] <persia> LaserJock: Could we please change for Breezy?  I've about 10 packages in the repository with changes in diff.gz that don't use a patch system to avoid irritating maintainers, and it is difficult to merge new debian versions when this is done.
[01:45] <persia> LaserJock: No problems.  Thanks again.
[01:59] <mdke> revision 3000 eh
[01:59] <mdke> not bad
[09:48] <Burgundavia> mdke: you around?
[10:43] <ompaul> mdke, got a moment
[10:44] <mdke> ompaul: alright
[10:46] <ompaul> I was thinking about Matt Z's mail, I think the wiki upgrade pages could all be pulled into one a standard format, where you have an explaination like Matt's at the top and then it should not have to change except to include version numbers
[10:46] <ompaul> s/numbers/names
[10:48] <ompaul> right now the wiki looks like a mess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=upgrade&titlesearch=Titles so it would condense all of that into one page of goodness (but I don't know if kubuntu / xubuntu) can have the same menu entry at the end for users rather than testers
[10:49] <mdke> give me a few minutes to try and understand what you just said
[10:49] <mdke> ok, lots of those pages you linked aren't documentation
[10:49] <ompaul> correct
[10:50] <ompaul> I am bouncing the idea for an evaluation of "is it reasonable" Clapham omnibus etc
[10:51] <mdke> dude, you have a really odd way of expressing yourself :) anyway, the idea is to make a page about how to upgrade to the next version of Ubuntu?
[10:52] <ompaul> I concur about the expressing ones self. yes it is, I think that all existing pages can be condensed into one page
[11:03] <mdke> ompaul: it's tricky because the graphical method only applies to dapper and subsequent
[11:04] <mdke> ompaul: perhaps something like this: Upgrading (introduction), Upgrading/Warty, Upgrading/Hoary etc
[11:05] <ompaul> that works, I'll do something with it,  when I am happy, I'll hand it off for review.
[11:05] <mdke> or just leave things as they are now with one page to draw everything together
[11:06] <mdke> ompaul: btw, are you interested in the idea of changing the bot to point at documentation, rather than give answers?
[11:06] <ompaul> yes
[11:07] <mdke> ompaul: is there a web interface that one can use to change the bot?
[11:07] <ompaul> no
[11:07] <ompaul> its got to be done through the !
[11:07] <mdke> ompaul: so how are we going to go about it?
[11:08] <mdke> are there people who take care of the bot particularly?
[11:08] <ompaul> its open to anyone
[11:08] <ompaul> hang on a sec
[11:09] <mdke> sure, but are there people who do lots of work in that area?
[11:09] <ompaul> I imagine there are about 10 regulars
[11:10] <ompaul> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ can be used to dump the info
[11:10] <ompaul> sorry stick pop.php after that
[11:10] <mdke> so we'd need to get them familiar with where the more reliable docs are on various areas
[11:10] <ompaul> mdke, yeap that would be the idea
[11:10] <ompaul> if you have a land line handy want me to ring you, I don't speak quite as bad as I type :)
[11:11] <mdke> ah good, looks like there are plenty of links already
[11:11] <mdke> ompaul: i don't have one at work
[11:11] <ompaul> okay
[11:11] <mdke> the links are good, but they point at the wiki rather than our docs
[11:12] <ompaul> this is because the wiki is easier to search, now do you see why I wanted search :-) [note to self explain in as much detail as you can what it is you are trying to achieve]
[11:13] <mdke> right, but now the docs are really well structured so you can find the info easily: "ati" would be http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#graphics-cards "repos" would be http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[11:14] <mdke> codecs/mp3 etc http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html
[11:14] <mdke> java etc for browsers http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/internet.html#web-browsing
[11:14] <ompaul> care to have a chat this evening on this?
[11:15] <mdke> ompaul: yeah, this evening is fine, I think
[11:15] <ompaul> I would like to give you a heads up on who is who
[11:16] <mdke> sounds fine. I won't have much time to work on this, I've got loads on my todo list for Ubuntu right now
[11:16] <ompaul> no problem, I can carry it, if I have instruction
[11:16] <mdke> but I'm encouraged that there are lots of links there already
[11:16] <mdke> so it's just a question of gradually getting in links to our docs
[11:16] <ompaul> yeap that makes sense
[11:17] <ompaul> okay I'll let you go until later, drop me a note with your telephone, or if you have skype (shudder etc)
[11:17] <ompaul> say about 8pm?
[11:18] <mdke> ompaul: fine, I'll mail you
[11:19] <mdke> ompaul: you're in ireland right?
[11:19] <ompaul> I am
[11:19] <mdke> what tz is that?
[11:19] <mdke> excuse my ignorance
[11:19] <ompaul> bst
[11:19] <mdke> oh, good
[03:36] <jjesse> hello jsgotangco
[03:36] <jsgotangco> jjesse: hi!
[06:25] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[06:39] <WaterSevenUb> hhmm... in the desktop guide, C/add-applications.xml:219(para),  Ubuntu will inform you with a pop-up and a red icon in your notification area... In one of the daily builds I've tested days ago the icon was orange...
[06:40] <WaterSevenUb> is red correct?
[06:40] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was red, but I can't tell the difference much between orange and red on such a small icon
[06:42] <WaterSevenUb> it was red in breezy....
[06:42] <WaterSevenUb> but I think in dapper is orange now...
[06:42] <WaterSevenUb> at least was, a few days ago:) yeah, it is very small.
[06:43] <jjesse> was it changed?
[06:43] <jjesse> WaterSevenUb: file a bug report :)
[06:44] <WaterSevenUb> I will, later on. I need to double-check.
[07:15] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: we have a bug report on it already
[07:15] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, ok, thx.
[07:16] <LaserJock> mdke: busy? I wanted to ask you about the change persia wanted in the PG yesterday
[07:17] <LaserJock> mdke: if I change a line in a <screen> section will that mess up the translators, it isn't translated and it isn't in a <para> I don't think
[08:27] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah, that will need translating again
[08:28] <mdke> i *think*
[08:28] <mdke> what's the string inside the <screen>?
[08:28] <LaserJock> its just the contents of a file, it shouldn't be translated
[08:28] <mdke> right, but even if it stays the same, it might show up as translatable
[08:28] <LaserJock> I'm not terribly keen on adding it
[08:29] <mdke> what's the exact string currently, i'll search
[08:30] <LaserJock> it currently looks like:
#!/usr/bin/make -f
[08:30] <LaserJock> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[08:30] <LaserJock> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk</screen>
[08:30] <LaserJock> in basic.xml
[08:30] <LaserJock> and I persia wanted me to add one more include line
[08:31] <mdke> yeah, it's in the translation template
[08:31] <LaserJock> :/
[08:32] <LaserJock> ok, well then maybe I'll put it in trunk and leave dapper alone.
[08:39] <mdke> sabdfl is going to insist on putting the book in System/Help
[08:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:42] <LaserJock> mdke: could we make it "Ubuntu Book Excerpts" and not in System Documentation ?
[08:46] <mdke> yes, that's the idea
[08:46] <mdke> i still think it sucks though
[08:47] <LaserJock> did you read the part in my email about that
[08:49] <mdke> yes
[08:49] <LaserJock> I think it is a bit odd they argue that their won't be competition because they are different media and targets (books vs. online docs)
[08:49] <LaserJock> s/their/there/
[08:49] <LaserJock> but maybe I misunderstood
[08:50] <mdke> yeah, it's all balls.
[08:50] <mdke> I'm starting to suspect there is a commercial reason behind it, maybe it's part of the contract or something
[08:50] <LaserJock> hmmm
[08:50] <LaserJock> that could be
[08:51] <jjesse> i was just as shocked as you all are that it is going to be included
[08:52] <mdke> ompaul: i won't have time to hook up this evening, we'll have to do it another time.
[08:54] <mdke> jjesse: mark said that the discussions about inclusion included the authors
[08:55] <Burgwork> mdke, I knew it was going to be included, but I thought the time frame was edgy
[08:55] <Burgwork> there was some talk of possibly having it for dapper, but that was only talk, afaik
[08:56] <mdke> ah
[08:56] <mdke> Burgwork: btw, you pinged me earlier?
[08:57] <LaserJock> maybe we should have Mark fill out a UI Freeze exception report ;-)
[08:57] <mdke> Burgwork: while you're here, what do you think about having book sections in System/Help?
[08:57] <Burgwork> mdke, I have someone who speaks italian and whose english is a little broken. They also said they couldn't get a hold of the ubuntu-it people. Can I forward you the email?
[08:57] <mdke> Burgwork: course
[08:58] <Burgwork> mdke, I have forwarded two to you
[08:58] <mdke> cool
[09:00] <mdke> Burgwork: your take on System/Help/Book
[09:00] <mdke> ?
[09:00] <Burgwork> hmm, thinking
[09:01] <Burgwork> sorry, work is busy
[09:01] <mdke> np
[09:11] <LaserJock> well, there are always decisions made by leaders that we would like to change. You can't please everyone I suppose.
[09:11] <LaserJock> but this and that darn Edubuntu background are really the only things bugging me so far about Dapper
[09:13] <mdke> heh
[09:14] <mdke> as always at this time in the release cycle, I start getting frustrated that Mark gets a million ideas and wants to implement them all at the last minute
[09:15] <LaserJock> mdke: maybe we need to give him a fake release date, say 2 months before we really release, so then he can have his fun and we can have time to implement, ignore, etc. :-)
[09:15] <mdke> yeah, but he decides the release dates too :-(
[09:15] <mdke> we need a sabdfl freeze
[09:15] <LaserJock> LOL, yes!
[09:16] <mdke> i remember jdub proposing that for breezy...
[09:16] <highvoltage> an sabdfl freeze?
[09:16] <mdke> i gtg
[09:17] <highvoltage> bye mdke
[09:18] <LaserJock> cya mdke
[09:20] <Burgwork> mdke, I like the idea of having the book available, but oppose it for dapper
[09:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm starting to dislike the whole LTS think a bit. It seems like there is a lot of "We gotta get this in because this our big release" but some stuff just isn't timed right
[09:23] <highvoltage> 'some stuff' will never be timed right :(
[09:23] <LaserJock> exactly
[09:23] <LaserJock> and lots of stuff is on the way, it just won't be done in time for dapper
[09:25] <LaserJock> but most of this is in hind sight, it is very hard to predict where the distro will be 6 months down the road
[09:30] <ompaul> mdke, no worries
[10:55] <Burgwork> holy crap! Canonical is going to be hiring about 24 new people int he new few months
[10:56] <crimsun> excellent.
[10:56] <LaserJock> for what?
[10:59] <Burgwork> anything and everyting
[10:59] <Burgwork> see marks blog
[11:23] <mdke> Burgwork: btw our new wiki is up. I've started writing down some things we could do before it goes live, feel free to add: https://new-help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
[11:23] <mdke> same goes for everyone else too
[11:25] <Burgwork> mdke, very cool
[11:26] <Burgwork> mdke, you should apply to canonical to lead the doc team full tie
[11:26] <Burgwork> s/tie/time
[11:26] <LaserJock> especially since you are always here anyway. Might as well get paid for it ;-)
[11:27] <mdke> Burgwork: I would quite like a job with canonical, maybe in local community or documentation, but I'm certainly tied up until september
[11:28] <mdke> i wonder if they need a lawyer
[11:28] <Burgwork> mdke, I am certain they could wait for a few months
[11:28] <mdke> heh, if they need someone to do that in the first place
[11:29] <Burgwork> mdke, you can sell yourself
[11:29] <mdke> actually, the locoteams need a bit of loving
[11:29] <mdke> it's all a bit disorganised
[11:29] <Burgwork> I don't think there is a single person on the doc team that wouldn't support you
[11:29] <mdke> awww, shucks
[11:29] <Burgwork> yes,  a full time loco team contact would be nice
[11:29] <Burgwork> you have a good mix of social and technical skills, plus dedication
[11:29] <mdke> btw, what has happened to ubuntu-ca?
[11:30] <mdke> http://www.ubuntu.ca/
[11:30] <Burgwork> ah, the current owner is MIA
[11:30] <Burgwork> we have not lost the domina, merely the DNS is screwy
[11:30] <mdke> ubuntu-ca.org is going there too
[11:30] <Burgwork> ya, I know
[11:30] <Burgwork> long story
[11:31] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, what is going to happen to Edubuntu pages when the wiki moves? This EC job has got me all Edubuntuized ;-)
[11:32] <mdke> LaserJock: what do you want to happen?
[11:32] <mdke> I'd say, the documentation can come to help.u.c, and anything community should stay
[11:33] <mdke> but obviously, these things are a matter for the edubuntu people
[11:35] <LaserJock> hmm, that might become interesting
[11:36] <LaserJock> we'll have to talk it over. it might make a dandy agenda item or the next meeting :-)
[11:36] <LaserJock> right, now wiki.edubuntu.org gives the edubuntu theme to the pages. Would that still be in place on the new wiki?
[11:37] <LaserJock> s/,//
[11:37] <Burgwork> LaserJock, are you guys not moving everything to moin anyway?
[11:38] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hmm? There is presently a decent amount of documentation on the present wiki
[11:38] <Burgwork> sorry, not moin
[11:41] <mdke> LaserJock: we haven't planned any theming for the new wiki at the moment
[11:41] <Burgwork> to drupal, or whatever the new thing is
[11:45] <LaserJock> Burgwork: haven't heard of that but it could be
[11:46] <mdke> it's a CMS
[11:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock, the thing highvoltage is working on
[11:47] <mdke> ompaul: still around?
[11:52] <LaserJock> hmm, well in the mean time we might have to figure out which, if any, of the pages should go to the new wiki
[11:54] <mdke> LaserJock: the current system is that any page with CategoryDocumentation in it is going to get moved


[14:32] <coolbhavi> dpm, hey
[14:37] <dpm> hi coolbhavi
[14:37] <coolbhavi> dpm, just sent out a mail for recruitment to arb
[14:38] <coolbhavi> this time have set the deadline as jan 14th
[14:39] <coolbhavi> so it gives sufficient time to apply considering the holiday season
[14:39] <coolbhavi> lets see :-)
[15:11] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne
[15:11] <coolbhavi> got +1 from ajmitch
[15:11] <coolbhavi> ll upload after dinner
[15:11] <cwayne> great, thanks coolbhavi :)
[15:11] <coolbhavi> reg unity-lens-pypi :-)
[16:09] <cwayne> coolbhavi: awesome :P
[16:26] <coolbhavi> cwayne, uploaded
[16:26] <coolbhavi> :-)
[16:26] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks! :D
[16:27] <coolbhavi> no mention :-)
[16:27] <coolbhavi> good night!
[16:27] <cwayne> you too!


[07:45] <amachu> bluekuja: i was asking which geography are you from
[07:45] <amachu> :-)
[07:45] <bluekuja> amachu: I'm italian
[07:45] <amachu> fine
[07:45] <bluekuja> amachu: north italy, near venice
[07:46] <pkern> deitarion: I'm not on Gentoo anymore and I suspect packages.g.o is still down? ;)
[07:46] <amachu> ok..
[07:46] <pkern> deitarion: Is there a replacement available?
[07:46] <amachu> am from chennai
[07:46] <amachu> india
[07:46] <bluekuja> amachu: cool, what timezone?
[07:46] <amachu> bluekuja: its UTC + 5:30
[07:46] <bluekuja> oh :D
[07:46] <deitarion> pkern: I'm using the eix command with the "including overlays not active on this machine" extension, so I wouldn't know. A partial list of the more important tools I need should be enough though.
[07:47] <bluekuja> amachu: anyway, scim-tables-additional is inside ubuntu as well
[07:47] <bluekuja> amachu: use madison to to find out
[07:47] <bluekuja> amachu: usage apt-cache madison packagename
[07:47] <bluekuja> and you'll get it
[07:47] <pkern> devscripts (as found on ftp.d.o), dpkg-dev (which is included with dpkg), debhelper (as found on ftp.d.o) come to mind.
[07:48] <amachu> ok
[07:48] <hendrixski> what's madison?
[07:48] <Whoopie> albert23: <Mithrandir> Whoopie: hanging on 100% is known, alt-sysrq-k fixes it.
[07:49] <Whoopie> albert23: could you try it? I'm also doing it here.
[07:49] <bluekuja> amachu: first step
[07:49] <bluekuja> amachu: find a source to package
[07:49] <amachu> ok
[07:49] <bluekuja> amachu: something you think it's useful to have packaged
[07:49] <bluekuja> amachu: something you love
[07:49] <amachu> and that should not be in ubuntu now
[07:49] <bluekuja> amachu: something that can improve ubuntu
[07:49] <amachu> bluekuja: ok
[07:49] <albert23> Whoopie: ok, will try
[07:50] <bluekuja> amachu: yep
[07:50] <amachu> yes
[07:50] <amachu> i will
[07:50] <deitarion> pkern: OK. One other question: I've been considering just setting up an Ubuntu chroot on my system and I was wondering how much space that would probably take and how to get a nice minimal compilation-oriented setup.
[07:50] <bluekuja> amachu: so check if the package is already in, both using madison or Ubuntu/Debian PTS
[07:50] <Whoopie> albert23: it worked here.
[07:50] <amachu> madison is ok
[07:50] <geser> hendrixski: there is also rmadison (remote madison) in devscripts (gutsy) with which you can also check other releases and also Debian
[07:50] <amachu> Ubuntu/Debian PTS?
[07:51] <bluekuja> amachu: packaging tracking system
[07:51] <bluekuja> amachu: so packages.u.c
[07:51] <bluekuja> or packages.d.o
[07:51] <amachu> ok
[07:51] <geser> pts is pacakges.qa.d.o
[07:52] <geser> http://packages.qa.debian.org
[07:52] <pkern> deitarion: 1G? I expect it to grow as you install dev packages. 256M minimal I guess.
[07:52] <bluekuja> geser: yeah but generally packages.d.o
[07:52] <amachu> bluekuja: then
[07:52] <pkern> deitarion: Install debootstrap, that's in Gentoo.
[07:52] <amachu> i have make a ubuntu package right?
[07:52] <bluekuja> amachu: then you should apply what you've learnt on all the guides you told me before
[07:52] <pkern> deitarion: Or maybe fetch it from archive.ubuntu.com, because gutsy scripts are included.
[07:52] <bluekuja> amachu: and if you find something not clear, you ask me
[07:52] <deitarion> pkern: Sounds like I'll just do that then. My root drive (as opposed to my media drive) has around 340GiB free at the moment.
[07:53] <bluekuja> amachu: we will try to improve the package step by step
[07:53] <amachu> yes
[07:53] <amachu> sure
[07:53] <bluekuja> amachu: but It would be nice to see what you can/cant do atm
[07:53] <albert23> Whoopie: no luck here, still hanging
[07:53] <amachu> i will find a source then
[07:53] <amachu> :-)
[07:53] <amachu> atm?
[07:53] <bluekuja> amachu: at the moment
[07:53] <bluekuja> :)
[07:53] <Whoopie> albert23: really? press the sequence once more.
[07:53] <bluekuja> amachu: sorry for using this abbreviations
[07:53] <amachu> :-)
[07:54] <amachu> no problems
[07:54] <bluekuja> *these
[07:54] <bluekuja> amachu: I'm here for anything, so feel free to ping me
[07:54] <amachu> yes
[07:54] <albert23> Whoopie: I need to use fn to get sysrq, but  that also makes the k into a 2. Could that be the problem?
[07:54] <amachu> thank you
[07:54] <bluekuja> amachu: I'm your mentor now, so I'm glad to help you
[07:55] <Whoopie> albert23: here, it's "shift+print+alt+k"
[07:55] <bluekuja> amachu: and I'll work with until I see your application sent to the MC
[07:55] <bluekuja> amachu: MC = MOTU Council
[07:55] <bluekuja> *you
[07:55] <amachu> ok
[07:55] <amachu> :-)
[07:56] <bluekuja> amachu: good search for now
[07:56] <bluekuja> :)
[07:56] <amachu> doing that
[07:57] <albert23> Whoopie: doesn't work either.
[07:58] <Whoopie> albert23: sh*
[08:01] <Whoopie> albert23: tested again. works here. I think, you should check if the sequence is correctly recognized.
[08:04] <albert23> Whoopie: tried another time, no luck again
[08:09] <amachu> bluekuja: icewesel??
[08:10] <bluekuja> amachu: already in debian
[08:11] <amachu> ok
[08:19] <amachu> bluekuja: there is a this http://www.nsc.res.in/~elab/phoenix/software/index.html
[08:19] <amachu> which we demonstrated recently
[08:20] <amachu> i will check it out with a friend of mine
[08:20] <amachu> that would also help ubuntu pushing into few colleges
[08:20] <amachu> here
[08:20] <bluekuja> amachu: it's just one file?
[08:21] <bluekuja> http://www.nsc.res.in/~elab/phoenix/applications/croplus.py
[08:22] <amachu> i need to check it out
[08:22] <amachu> will get back to you on that
[08:22] <Whoopie> albert23: sorry, I did what I could. But now, someone with more knowledge about usplash has to look into it.
[08:22] <bluekuja> amachu: perfect :)
[08:23] <bluekuja> amachu: I would suggest you to start with an easy package
[08:23] <bluekuja> amachu: python uses a different policy
[08:23] <bluekuja> amachu: and I want you to learn basic packaging before moving to python/library packaging
[08:23] <amachu> oh.. ok
[08:25] <albert23> Whoopie: Just tried in xkeycaps. The FN key indeed turns the K into a 2
[08:26] <Whoopie> albert23: but why do you need Fn for sysrq? never saw such a keyboard layout.
[08:27] <albert23> Whoopie: it's a laptop. So FN+K is keypad 2
[08:27] <albert23> But xkeycap learned me how to do it :-)
[08:42] <sladen> Whoopie: what are you running, xubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu, gobuntu, ubuntu ?
[08:42] <sladen> Whoopie: do you see the problem
[08:42] <sladen> Whoopie: assuming you're talking about off-centerness
[08:47] <amachu> bluekuja: fontforge is there, but fontutils?
[08:47] <amachu> will that help..
[08:48] <bluekuja> amachu: fontutils for fontforge?
[08:48] <bluekuja> upstream link?
[08:49] <amachu> http://directory.fsf.org/project/fontutils/
[08:53] <amachu> bluekuja: this should be useful, http://directory.fsf.org/project/html2pdf/
[08:54] <amachu> ?
[08:56] <bluekuja> amachu: html2pdf is not in debian or ubuntu? checked already?
[08:56] <bluekuja> amachu: if not, is there an ITP around inside debian BTS?
[08:58] <amachu> i checked once
[08:58] <amachu> let me confirm in few min
[09:03] <amachu> hey.. html2ps is there
[09:03] <amachu> but bot html2pdf
[09:03] <amachu> * not
[09:07] <geser> doko: have you an idea how to solve bug #145561? it looks like gpc-4.1 computes the gcc-4.1 dependency based on the own package version
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145561 in gpc-4.1 "[UNMETDEPS]  gpc-4.1 has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145561
[09:40] <Whoopie> sladen: I was talking about uswsusp + usplash. I re-added usplash support to it. see bug 109151
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109151
[09:50] <albert23> Whoopie: alt+sysrq+k works for me to get past 100%, but it starts a new session, not the old one
[10:14] <homanj> when is the MOTU Q and A
[10:14] <homanj> some time tomorrow right?
[10:15] <jpatrick> 17th
[10:21] <mdomsch> #151664
[10:21] <geser> homanj: Friday, October 12th, at 14:30 UTC in #ubuntu-classroom
[10:22] <geser> bug #151664
[10:22] <ubotu> Bug 151664 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/151664 is private
[10:22] <mdomsch> doh
[10:22] <homanj> geser: thanks. that's what i thought.
[10:22] <mdomsch> fixed
[10:22] <mdomsch> bug #151664
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151664 in dell "DKMS <IP_ADDRESS> uninstalls wrong file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151664
[11:10] <geser> pochu: there aren't many core-devs in #ubuntu-motu. try #ubuntu-devel
[11:10] <pochu> geser: already tried :(
[11:11] <geser> pochu: I guess they are all busy with the rc
[11:12] <pochu> geser: if you were core... :)
[11:12] <norsetto> pochu: wait few weeks ....
[11:13] <geser> norsetto: what is in a few weeks?
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Thanksgiving!
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Or, you know, UDS.
[11:14] <norsetto> geser: oh, you mean you have not yet applied? What you waiting for!?
[11:15] <geser> no, as I don't work much on packages in main
[11:22] <calc> ah pochu needs a core-dev
[11:22] <calc> pochu: whats up?
[11:23] <pochu> calc: I need a sponsor for liferea: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/liferea_1.4.4-0ubuntu2.dsc :)
[11:23] <pochu> calc: slangasek approved it (in #ubuntu-devel).
[11:24] <Kmos> pochu: why not release 1.4.5 ?
[11:24] <calc> pochu: ok i'll double check with slangasek and then upload it for you
[11:24] <pochu> calc: great, thanks a lot.
[11:25] <pochu> Kmos: because we are *too* close to release, and then we only take bug fixes we care about.
[11:26] <Kmos> pochu: ok
[11:28] <Kmos> pochu:
[11:28] <Kmos> Version 1.4.5b (Stable)
[11:28] <Kmos>         * Fixing wrong deallocation that prevents Liferea
[11:28] <Kmos>           from working with sqlite 3.5.x (SF #1811055).
[11:28] <Kmos> :)
[11:29] <pochu> Kmos: we don't have 3.5.x ;)
[11:30] <Kmos> pochu: so don't need it :)
[11:31] <pkern> Does anyone know by chance how to parse an in-memory string with librdf?
[11:31] <pkern> (Python that is.)
[11:33] <pkern> Ups... the c.perform() got thrashed. Ignore me. ;)
[11:50] <calc> pochu: uploaded
[11:50] <calc>   liferea_1.4.4-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[11:54] <pkern> The LP rdf sucks?
[11:54] <hendrixski> would anyone recommend a better chroot manual than this: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html  ??
[11:54] <hendrixski> I was hoping to try out schroot, but can't find anything well written about it
[11:55] <hendrixski> and... also multiple chroots, but there's nothing in there about how to do that.  If you know of one, that does I'd be happy to read it. :-)
[11:55] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:55] <pochu> see you bddebian
[11:56] <pkern> siretart: LP RDF sucks. No foaf:nick in team RDF.
[12:04] <norsetto> hendrixski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[12:06] <hendrixski> norsetto, nice.
[12:06] <norsetto> hendrixski: it was pretty helpful for me
[12:07] <hendrixski> hhmm, it has both dchroot and schroot instruction on there
[12:07] <imbrandon> pkern: i asked for that feature and even filed a bug about it long long ago
[12:07] <norsetto> hendrixski: forget dchroot
[12:07] <hendrixski> norsetto, did you do the stuff in  the "Setting up a dchroot (non-root) environment" as well?
[12:07] <norsetto> hendrixski: no, I just setup an lpia chroot
[12:08] <hendrixski> ah,
[12:08] <imbrandon> pkern: when i was working on the ssh key sync script
[12:08] <hendrixski> coolness
[12:08] <pkern> imbrandon: Someone should beat them.
[12:08] <pkern> imbrandon: Same here.
[12:08] <hendrixski> thanks again... that's twice in one day.
[12:08] <imbrandon> pkern: ssh sync script?
[12:08] <imbrandon> *key
[12:08] <pkern> imbrandon: User syncing first, but in the end, yes.
[12:08] <norsetto> hendrixski: he, in my home country we say: there is no two without three .....
[12:09] <imbrandon> pkern: we did this many months ago and released it gpl2 ( we as in me and ajmitch  and fujitsu ) if you want i'll dig up a copy
[12:09] <pkern> norsetto: What's that in your native language?
[12:09] <imbrandon> all you need to do is change the team
[12:09] <hendrixski> norsetto, careful, I may just have a third thing I'll ask you today :-p
[12:09] <norsetto> pkern: music :-)
[12:09] <pkern> imbrandon: Language?
[12:09] <Simon80> can someone please please please fix bug 123185 before gutsy comes out? it's just a merge of bochsbios from debian that is needed
[12:09] <imbrandon> python
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123185 in bochs "bochsbios too old for Windows XP with qemu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123185
[12:10] <pkern> imbrandon: Well the concept is to use nss bdb.
[12:10] <imbrandon> nss bdb ?
[12:10] <pkern> imbrandon: libnss-db
[12:10] <pkern> imbrandon: For passwd/shadow/groups.
[12:10] <norsetto> hendrixski: not today, I'm off to bed in 5 min
[12:10] <pkern> norsetto: No, the phrase.
[12:11] <pkern> Non c' duo...
[12:11] <norsetto> pker: non c' due senza tre ?
[12:11] <pkern> senze tre?
[12:11] <pkern> Fun.
[12:11] <norsetto> pkern: eh, almost perfect :-)
[12:11] <pkern> *senza of course
[12:11] <imbrandon> pkern: ahh well this may help you with some of the screen scraping anyhow
[12:11] <pkern> norsetto: Got rid of Italian after three years of studying it. ;)
[12:11] <imbrandon> one sec
[12:12] <norsetto> pkern: too bad, you must have been a promising student
[12:12] <pkern> norsetto: Nope. It was the language I was worst in.
[12:12] <pkern> ;)
[12:12] <pkern> Mainly lack of study, though.
[12:12] <pkern> French and English left. :-P
[12:12] <Simon80> anyone hear my nagging?
[12:12] <Simon80> windows XP in qemu is broken on gutsy and all it takes is a simple merge to fix it
[12:13] <Simon80> all I want is for one developer to get that done, because I can't
[12:13] <pkern> "a simple merge"?
[12:13] <imbrandon> pkern: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/lpusers.py.txt
[12:13] <Simon80> a merge of bochbios from debian with no changes
[12:13] <hendrixski> Simon80, are you sure it's only broken in qemu?  I heard it was broken on its own
[12:14] <pkern> Now merge's aren't "simple". Just applying patches is.
[12:14] <mdomsch> ScottK, re bug 151664, as I'm upstream for the package, I just fixed it in upstream and dropped a new upstream version
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151664 in dell "DKMS <IP_ADDRESS> uninstalls wrong file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151664
[12:14] <pkern> imbrandon: Screen scraping is baaaad. Thanks, though.
[12:14] <Simon80> it's not even a merge, actually, it's a sync
[12:14] <Simon80> I didn't think about it :(
[12:14] <broonie> g
[12:15] <imbrandon> pkern: that was the LP devs only sugestion untill they fixed it
[12:15] <mdomsch> I could apply the same patch to the older version with a new 0ubuntu2 release I suppose
[12:15] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:15] <imbrandon> pkern: that was over 6 months ago
[12:15] <imbrandon> heya sistpoty
[12:15] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[12:15] <pkern> Now I slowly get to understand ScottK on how LP could disappoint oneself.
[12:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:15] <pkern> It's one point not to provide a XMLRPC/SOAP API, but not to act on such simple requests.
[12:16] <Simon80> and hendrixski: with stock gutsy, qemu hangs on boot of windows XP.  After installing a slightly newer version of bochsbios from debian, things work the way they do in feisty, which is fine
[12:16] <sistpoty> just a stupid question: what do I need to do to get an upload shoved through the queue? There is no "distro manager" team in LP, as the mail that I got states :P *g*
[12:16] <persia> sistpoty: release-manager team?
[12:16] <pkern> sistpoty: Wait.
[12:17] <sistpoty> persia: no, it said "This upload awaits approval by a distro manager" ;)
[12:17] <Simon80> from bochbios 2.3-2 to 2.3+20070705-2, that's all that needs to be synced to fix this bug
[12:17] <pkern> sistpoty: Which are the archive admins in fact.
[12:17] <imbrandon> sistpoty: i would bug the RM
[12:17] <Simon80> hence my nagging and whining in here
[12:17] <hendrixski> Simon80, i was just trying to lighten the mood with a joke
[12:17] <persia> sistpoty: I'm fairly sure that's https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release
[12:17] <Simon80> ah :(
[12:18] <sistpoty> ok, maybe I'm lucky (but I don't think though, due to the release being just out *g*)
[12:18] <Simon80> lol
[12:18] <pkern> sistpoty: If it needs fasttracking maybe ask slangasek.
[12:18] <pkern> sistpoty: Otherwise I'd guess that it will be processed if it's universe.
[12:18] <sistpoty> well, it doesn't really need fast tracking, but I wouldn't want to get it lost in a queue until release though ;)
[12:19] <pkern> sistpoty: All my uploads were processed within some hours.
[12:19] <pkern> ScottK: ping (firehol)
[12:19] <sistpoty> persia: not too sure, I thought Hobbsee couldn't shove things through the queue
[12:19] <slangasek> don't worry, that queue will be empty before release, one way or another ;)
[12:19] <sistpoty> slangasek: cool, thanks! then I'll just go to bed and worry no longer :)
[12:20] <slangasek> (which package, OOI?)
[12:20] <sistpoty> slangasek: haskell-haskell-src
[12:21] <slangasek> ok
[12:21] <sistpoty> thx!
[12:21] <slangasek> bit of a wait then, lots of packages ahead in the queue :)
[12:22] <sistpoty> hehe, in a week is still acceptable for me :P
[12:22] <imbrandon> sistpoty: too much debian in your blood ;)
[12:23] <sistpoty> imbrandon: haha, maybe just too much work and too few spare time to actually *do* an upload
[12:23] <imbrandon> :)
[12:23] <imbrandon> i know i've had a new apt-mirror sitting on my hdd for a week and not uploaded it
[12:23] <imbrandon> lol
[12:24] <persia> Simon80: regarding bochs: whining and nagging here won't help.  Currently, there doesn't appear to be a plan to pull the new bochs.  The process is to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 to request a newer version (basically a lot of administrative work).  This can then be reviewed for inclusion.  Personally, I suspect that it will take a persuasive arguments to demonstrate that an C
[12:24] <sistpoty> well, I guess this was upload #3 or s.th. for the entire gutsy cycle from me *g*
[12:24] <sistpoty> only writing mails asking questions for MC otherwise *g*
[12:25] <sistpoty> ok, gotta go to bed now, otherwise I'll be late at work tomorrow
[12:25] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[12:26] <imbrandon> gnight
[12:27] <norsetto> gnight imbrandon, gnight all
[12:29] <hendrixski> hhhmmm, sooo schroot can only create chroots using the scripts it has?  'cause it's not letting me create a gutsy schroot :-(
[12:30] <persia> hendrixski: Can you make a gutsy chroot with debootstrap?
[12:30] <imbrandon> pkern: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/100079
[12:30] <slangasek> schroot doesn't normally create the chroots afaik
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 100079 in launchpad "more rdf team info" [Undecided,New]
[12:31] <imbrandon> found the bug i mentioned about the faof
[12:31] <hendrixski> persia, I thought it does
[12:31] <persia> slangasek: There's a schroot setup script from Kees on the wiki page about schroot that is being used for that.
[12:32] <keescook> it's part of the ubuntu-dev-tools (mk-sbuild-lv)
[12:32] <hendrixski> persia,  I'm following this.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  I replaced breezy with gutsy, and it's didn't do anything :-(
[12:32] <keescook> it does depend on having LVM set upt.
[12:32] <keescook> *up
[12:32] <persia> hendrixski: Use the distributed script rather than the wiki script.  Perhaps something changed.
[12:32] <pkern> imbrandon: Your report is mainly about ssh public key inlining, which I don't need.
[12:33] <hendrixski> persia, which one is the distributed script?
[12:33] <pkern> Or which is superfluous and (if that's true) non-standard.
[12:33] <imbrandon> pkern: yea that was what come of the faof disscussion though
[12:33] <persia> hendrixski: aptitude install ubuntu-dev-tools
[12:33] <hendrixski> ah
[12:34] <imbrandon> pkern: and also the addition of faof:nick as with the indvidual rdf for each member ( so a LP url can be constructed )
[12:34] <imbrandon> ( from the desc )
[12:35] <hendrixski> persia, sorry to be such a noob, I'm not finding ubuntu-dev-tools
[12:35] <persia> hendrixski: That wiki page seems a little old :)  To test debootstrap alone, I usually just make a directory, and run `debootstrap (release codename)` in that directory.
[12:35] <persia> hendrixski: You're using 6.10 then :)
[12:37] <hendrixski> persia, I'm on feisty... 7.04
[12:37] <persia> hendrixski: Try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto.  You can use the schroots with `schroot -c $name`, and not bother with the sbuild bit, if you like.
[12:37] <persia> hendrixski: My apologies.  I thought there was an ubuntu-dev-tools for 7.04, but I could well be mistaken.


[17:19] <OEP> Should nvidia-opencl-dev be installable alongside the nvidia-340 (and friends) packages? I'm trying to rule out user error. (https://dpaste.de/ZTsP)
[23:31] <bandit-led> any ideas on how to get  nvidia  349.12 from edgers to install and load with kernel 4.0rc6?


[13:34] <msvb-lab> A little lost (sorry) but I'm looking for some official collaboration from Canonical for a few forthcoming educational events, workshops. Anyone know who the contact would be for embedded/IoT Ubuntu education?
[14:56] <rbasak> msvb-lab: http://www.ubuntu.com/internet-of-things/contact-us perhaps?
[14:57] <rbasak> msvb-lab: or http://partners.ubuntu.com/programmes/iot has a link.
[19:32] <msvb-lab> rbasak: Thank you, I'll give the two links a glance.


[23:49] <qwebirc40554> hi chat
[23:49] <qwebirc40554> I have a problem with live-TV channels encrypted with the same multiplex on dvb-t and dvb-s. The frontend back to the menu "error opening jump program file buffer"
[23:50] <qwebirc40554> no problem if i change channel favorite