[03:29] <escott> don't know who is in charge of the bots, but ubot2 in #ubuntu-beginners is broken
[03:29] <escott> keeps complaining that maverick is not a distribution
[03:30] <genii-around> Maybe because it's EOL ?
[03:30] <escott> yes but a simple !info package or !find file triggers the message
[03:30] <escott> it seems a config file got missed
[03:30] <escott> and it still wants to search for packages in the old distro
[03:31] <escott> and then bombs out because it is EOL
[03:31] <genii-around> Might find someone like m4v awake in #ubuntu-bots-devel or so
[03:31] <escott> ok
[03:31] <escott> thanks
[10:27] <Myrtti> zequence_: hi?
[10:31] <Myrtti> kkathman: hi?
[14:25] <ikonia> zequence: hello ?
[14:25] <ikonia> kkathman: hi
[14:25] <zequence> ikonia: hi
[14:26] <ikonia> zequence: hello there, do you need something from the ubuntu operator team ?
[14:26] <zequence> ikonia: Nope
[14:27] <ikonia> zequence: ok, well this channel is for Ubuntu operator / IRC issues, so unless you need something we requst you leave the channel as there is a no idle policy
[14:28] <Tm_T> zequence is ubuntustudio leader, but that wasn't core channel right?
[14:28] <zequence> I've just mixed this channel up with another one
[14:28] <ikonia> no problem
[14:28] <zequence> I'm not the project lead of US, but I am in the core team
[14:28] <zequence> Well, I'll be off then :)
[14:28] <Tm_T> righto
[15:48] <Myrtti> has the phone and tablet factoids been updated yet?
[15:54] <IdleOne> they have
[15:54] <k1l> !phone
[15:54] <IdleOne> they should point to -touch
[16:02] <Myrtti> good good.
[16:03] <k1l> now there are just the quadrillion webpages to be updated :X  but the old channels do forward, so thats not a real issue
[16:23]  * AlanBell updated a quadrillion webpages
[16:23] <AlanBell> well about a dozen on the wiki
[16:24]  * k1l hands AlanBell a cookie
[16:24] <AlanBell> nom \o/
[16:25] <Fuchs> he is already way too fat ;(
[19:24] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu ClientAlive being a total fool, wanted someone to walk him through how to theme, but didn't want to read anything, but kept bragging how skilled he was, should know better, rage quit.


[18:22] <rypervenche> I was apparently banned from #ubuntu for asking a question that was off-topic. I have just read the terms of service and the IRC guidelines and see my mistake. Will I be banned forever or is it a temporary ban/kick?
[18:24] <erUSUL> rypervenche: ban issues in #ubuntu are discussed in #ubuntu-ops
[18:24] <rypervenche> erUSUL: Ok, thank you.
[18:24] <erUSUL> rypervenche: with the op that banned you if you can find him/her
[20:09] <erUSUL> what's up with floodbots and foreing charsets? when ru or cn speak they trigger floodbot. is becouse multibyte utf-8 chars ?
[20:11] <Pici> erUSUL: Likely.
[20:12] <Pici> Theres a scoring method that I don't exactly know that tries to figure out how likely a message is spam.
[20:13] <erUSUL> ok; i see
[20:13] <IdleOne> length of message is a factor also I believe but !cn is fairly short message so has to be something else
[20:14] <IdleOne> might be an idea for floodbot to have ubottu exempted
[20:14] <erUSUL> IdleOne: the bit those not trigger it but people using cyrillic or chineses in the channel
[20:14] <erUSUL> the bot*
[20:15] <erUSUL> 21:08 < xpro> надо добавить
[20:15] <erUSUL> 21:08 <@FloodBot4> xpro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:15] <IdleOne> hmm yeah, not optimum
[20:15] <erUSUL> fairly short message to trigger anything
[20:15] <IdleOne> erUSUL: mention it to LjL
[20:16] <erUSUL> ok; would try
[23:26] <erUSUL> LjL-Temp: did you noticed this problem with floodbots?
[23:26] <erUSUL> 21:08 < xpro> надо добавить
[23:26] <erUSUL> 21:08 <@FloodBot4> xpro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as  punctuation.
[23:27] <erUSUL> multibyte utf8 chars seem to make it trigger with a very short text ... ( happened with cn chars too )


[08:03] <czajkowski> tdr112: where does it say that
[08:48] <tdr112> in the ticktet i was sent
[08:48] <tdr112> will i forward it on to you
[08:48] <czajkowski> fixed it
[08:48] <czajkowski> it was in the right hand calender
[08:48] <czajkowski> cheers
[08:49] <tdr112> np


[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:46] <RikMills> testing installing the beat is going to be 'rough'
[15:48] <RikMills> LP: #1920665 LP: #1912327 LP: #1916331 LP: #1916331
[15:49] <RikMills> LP: #1921567
[15:50] <RikMills> *installing the beta
[15:50]  * RikMills cries
[15:51] <kakadu> After Ubuntu upgrade to 21.04 I got visual artifacts in KDE/Qt applications. https://pasteboard.co/JUSnQ5s.png Is it relevant to this channel?
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2021-March/005205.html
 @DarinMiller my laptop HD died.  It only had Windows on that one, so nothing of value was lost 😉
 It was Crucial drive that failed?
 @DarinMiller, No the Micron one that came with the Dell laptop failed. I have a Crucial one to replace it.
 These things happen. I was just ribbing you :P
 (Photo, 958x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/y57J0RnW/file_42787.jpg
[19:45] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-21-04-testing-week/
 That is the one that failed
 Ribbing understood :)  Yours is the 1st failure I heard of "in the field".  I am assuming the SSD was hardly used if it only your windows install was on it...
 If its less than 3 yrs old it should be under warranty....
 @DarinMiller, Yeah, it had not had much heavy read/write. The laptop was a late relatives who did mostly web surf
 @DarinMiller, Bought March 2017
 To be fair, I was thinking of duel booting it or putting an new HD in for linux anyway
 Now I don't have to worry about screwing the Windows install
 LOL
 @DarinMiller Also I am not 100% I believe the Dell bios diagnostic on the 'deadness'. I shall try a few things when it can be plugged into something else
[19:57] <valorie> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1376624139260162051
 😍
 That is very lovely
 Though the Ubuntu Hermione Hippo wallpaper is also fab


[07:01] <jussi> JontheEchidna: I just got you and the lead dev od openshot mixored up :/ I was thinking, JontheEchidna develops openshot?  huh?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:19] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion
[15:19] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'
[15:19] <Riddell> kubotu: help newversion
[15:19] <kubotu> newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package.
[15:19] <kubotu> newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package.
[15:19] <Riddell> kubotu: calligra 2.5beta 2.5 beta
[15:19] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.5beta 2.5 beta
[15:19] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1014082
[15:19] <Riddell> whee
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> jussi: hehe, yeah, I've gotten that before ;-)
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> I've started putting my middle name in things like identity.kde.org to hopefully help w/ that
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> e.g. https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/5cfd7a24425c933c1db4d62877532a19fc76e3aa
[17:25] <debfx> I've copied 4.8.4 to the updates PPA
[17:26] <debfx> maybe someone can write an announcement on kubuntu.org?
[17:27] <Riddell> debfx: I can, or I can just give you the details so you can do it yourself
[17:28] <Riddell> ?
[17:29] <debfx> Riddell: does the login work with any browser now?
[17:29] <Riddell> debfx: don't think so, rekonq/konqueror only
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Why is that? :P
[17:30] <Riddell> nobody knows
[17:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:40] <debfx> ok, announcement is up
[17:41] <debfx> and yes, login still doesn't work with firefox :/
[17:41] <Riddell> debfx: I've added a thank you note to Felix :)
[17:44] <debfx> :)
[17:47] <debfx> hm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu is outdated
[17:48] <Riddell> lots of wiki pages are
[17:50] <debfx> yeah but this one is linked in all our KDE release announcements
[17:59] <Riddell> 4.8.90 is working for me in ninjas, I think I'll move it to backports
[18:11] <yofel> Riddell: beta please, not backports
[18:15] <Riddell> yofel: oh yes thanks for reminding me
[18:44] <Riddell> copying packages in launchpad is just a case of 5 at a time to stop timeouts?
[18:47] <yofel> ... which is why I wrote a script to do that
[18:47] <yofel> kopypackages in kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:48] <Riddell> aah
[18:48] <yofel> (It's not a member of package count but size, kdeartwork for example usually fails unless copied alone)
[18:49] <yofel> *matter
[18:56] <Riddell> yep
[19:00] <Riddell> lovely that did it
[19:30] <Riddell> voila kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.90
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Any thoughts on bug 875040
[20:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: upstream bug? (just reading the title)
[20:20] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney/+bug/875040/comments/7
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Better read that comment
[21:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, no idea I'm afriad
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yeah, I have little idea as well
[21:23] <yofel> fun bug
[21:26] <apachelogger> "You have 3 friends with birthdays this week"
[21:26]  * shadeslayer ponders about askin unity developers
[21:26] <apachelogger> for every website on the internet you get 3 mails a day
[21:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: uhm, I can't resize it here either... (kmymoney 4.6.2 on quantal)
[21:27] <shadeslayer> in KDE?
[21:27] <yofel> well, resize it smaller, larger works
[21:27] <yofel> yeah
[21:27] <shadeslayer> O_O
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ok so definitely upstream bug
[21:27] <shadeslayer> or
[21:27] <shadeslayer> nvm, yes upstream bug
[21:28] <apachelogger> COUNCIL VOTE CLOSING IN 3 HOURS OR SOMETHING
[21:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh exciting
[21:42] <apachelogger> I think I will come in last :(
[21:51] <yofel> you weren't last on my voting list at least
[21:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, I just noticed that the user said it's a regression from natty->oneiric. But we have the same kmymoney version in both
[21:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: which comment number?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[21:58] <shadeslayer> so ... what is it? 0.o
[21:58]  * shadeslayer is confused
[21:58] <shadeslayer> that is one funky bug tbh
[21:59] <shadeslayer> it can't be unity because you say the issue happens in KDE as well, it can't be KMM because apparently the same version is in natty and oneiric
[21:59] <yofel> well, I'm just looking for any minimumSize settings... but I can't find anything that should apply for the main window...
[22:00] <yofel> so maybe it's some size handling bug in QtGtk that was fixed?
[22:00] <yofel> or introduced
[22:00] <shadeslayer> I wish we could close bug reports like this one with the explanation : This software contains magical code which produces magical bugs, please contact apachelogger for his ponies in order to fix this bug
[22:00] <apachelogger> what bug? what?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> QtGtk? how would that come into the picture?
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: boog 875040
[22:01] <yofel> the user was using ubuntu?
[22:01] <apachelogger> ubottu: would you be so kind as to tell me what bug 875040 is as shadeslayer cannot use trigger words?
[22:02] <yofel> thus the UI would be rendered using Qt's gtk renderer
[22:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now you're just being lazy
[22:03] <yofel> comment #2 wouldn't make sense in that case though
[22:03] <shadeslayer> uhm, iirc XFCE uses GTk as well
[22:03] <apachelogger> someone give me a TLDR version
[22:03] <apachelogger> the english in some comments gives me cancer
[22:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: essentially, you cannot resize KMM
[22:04] <yofel> apachelogger: user complains that he can't make the window smaller in unity, worked in 11.04 and works in xfce. (I can't make it smaller here in KDE either)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> maybe upstream set a minimumSize
[22:05] <yofel> there's tons of nonsense minimumSize's in the ui files, so I can't fine anything concrete
[22:05] <yofel> at least nothing that should affect the main window...
[22:05] <apachelogger> if upstream set a minimum size that would affect all windowmanagers as Qt refuses to go below that ALWAYS
[22:06] <apachelogger> yofel: minimumsizes combined with layouts can become a problem
[22:06] <apachelogger> particularly if defined static, which they should never ever be
[22:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: wouldn't the main window NOT go below the least size of a element
[22:06] <apachelogger> anyhow, sounds to me like a window manager problem
[22:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: good point
[22:07] <apachelogger> otherwise there is no reason why it would work on xfce but not on unity
[22:07] <apachelogger> the only viable difference is the window manager
[22:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but you can't resize it below a certain value in KDE as well
[22:08] <apachelogger> which is to say, it could still be a minimumsize issues, only that metacity decides to be bugged and ignore it
[22:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so?
[22:08] <apachelogger> kwin aint perfect
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[22:09] <shadeslayer> true, could be a metacity bug where it just ignores minimumSize
[22:09] <yofel> fun:
[22:09] <yofel> [ ~/tmp/kmymoney-4.6.2 27 files 580Kb ]
[22:09] <yofel> yofel@yofel-T510 $ grep minimumSize -R * | wc -l
[22:09] <yofel> 169
[22:09] <shadeslayer> whereas kwin and whatever-unity-uses do respect it
[22:10] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, too many minimumSize's to reduce the location of the bug
[22:11] <apachelogger> use gammaray
[22:12] <shadeslayer> my VPS is almost out of memory trying to link calligra stuff
[22:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh .. gammaray can help in this case?
[22:12] <apachelogger> it always helps
[22:12] <shadeslayer> heh ^_^
[22:12] <apachelogger> you can inspect widgets and shit
[22:12] <shadeslayer> gammaray is really really cool
[22:13] <shadeslayer> I've only used it once or twice though ...
[22:20] <shadeslayer> oh, I read somewhere that ubuntu has some sort of automated testing for ISO's
[22:21] <shadeslayer> is that specifically for unity ?
[22:21] <yofel> ScottK: now that we're in universe, can we put our old universe packages into the seeds so kubuntu-dev gets upload rights for them? (e.g. blinken, kdevelop-php, digikam, ...) We maintain those anyway
[22:27] <shadeslayer> agateau: I'm still a bit lost on the app indicator support, does it just need porting to KSNI?
[22:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: status notifier == app indicator
[22:29] <Riddell> yofel: hmm good question
[22:29] <apachelogger> no clue why canonical to call it app indicator, they are funny I suppose
[22:29] <shadeslayer> oh really? awesome, I've worked with KSNI before, should be trivial
[22:29] <Riddell> I think they came up with the same then looked around for a technology to implement it
[22:29] <Riddell> s/same/name/
[22:29] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "I think they came up with the name then looked around for a technology to implement it"
[22:29]  * apachelogger as usual does not compute shadeslayer
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ktp needs porting to app indicator/KSNI/whatever
[22:30] <apachelogger> ktp?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> I was looking ait for a bit last week
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde telepathy
[22:31] <apachelogger> aint it a plasmoid?
[22:31] <apachelogger> actually
[22:31] <apachelogger> why is it a plasmoid?
[22:31] <shadeslayer> the text-ui isn't
[22:31] <shadeslayer> there's a plasmoid for chatting :)
[22:31] <yofel> which doesn't work for me, only the systray icon works
[22:31] <shadeslayer> as well a contact list plasmoid
[22:31] <apachelogger> I totally don't get why things are the way they are
[22:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe 0.4 will work? I'm waiting on gkiagia to get the packages into debian, then we can just sync them
[22:32] <Riddell> yofel: add them to supported I think
[22:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: ah, nice, can't wait :)
[22:45] <shadeslayer> calligra takes forever to build :(
[22:46] <yofel> you could've guessed that...
[22:46]  * yofel now wonders if digikam or calligra takes longer...
[22:46] <shadeslayer> I'd say calligra
[22:47] <shadeslayer> because digikam makes to compiler ICE
[22:47] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:47] <shadeslayer> s/to/the/
[22:47] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[22:47] <yofel> ll
[22:47] <yofel> *lol
[22:52] <shadeslayer> I think gcc-4.7 ( 13ubuntu1 ) fixes the ICE though
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I'd be blaming Compiz for the kmymoney stuff personally
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> stuff exactly like this used to happen in the old days
[22:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: doesn't work in KDE as well, so I think apachelogger got it right, bug in metacity and KMM, compiz and kwin just following the application
[22:56] <shadeslayer> "old-days" .. hahaha :D
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> back before kde4, around Gutsy times
[22:58] <shadeslayer> I wonder how many people who contributed to releases before 8.04 are still around
[22:59] <apachelogger> 8.04? Oo
[22:59] <apachelogger> oh, actually
[22:59] <apachelogger> my netbook had 8.04 ^^
[22:59] <apachelogger> turns out the wifi didn't work
[22:59] <apachelogger> was quite a deal break
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> I started contributing during 8.04 when the kde4 spin CD's first came out :)
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> that's... four years ago O_O
[23:01] <shadeslayer> I started using kubuntu with 8.04
[23:01] <shadeslayer> horrible time reall
[23:01] <shadeslayer> *really
[23:02] <shadeslayer> KDE4 had just come out
[23:03]  * yofel with 9.10 - 4.3 was the first usable release really.
[23:04] <yofel> used gnome in the meantime
[23:05] <Riddell> I don't remember 4.0 being all that bad
[23:06] <Riddell> just because it was worse then 3.5 that had come before people's expectations had got out of hand
[23:06] <yofel> just to make sure I understand this right: If I put something into the supported Seed germinate will pull in all build-depends as well? (i.e. if I add perlkde it'll pull in ->perlqt+smokekde->smokeqt as well?)
[23:07] <Riddell> thing sometimes regress but generally they improve, that's what this book The Rational Optimist says
[23:07] <Riddell> yofel: yeah should do
[23:07] <yofel> k
[23:32] <shadeslayer> \o/ digikam builds
[23:35] <ScottK> yofel_: Should be able to, yes.
[23:35] <yofel_> now, if I did this right now you'll actually be able to upload it. (whenever the seeds are processed)
[23:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what is the difference between a KNotification and KSNI?
[23:38] <apachelogger> ksni = systray icon, knotification = notification
[23:38] <shadeslayer> KSNI is specifically for notifications regarding messages?
[23:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> KSNIs are usually used for indicating the status of a running application
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> and providing controls for manipulating the program
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> KNotifications are text notifications from the app
[23:38] <shadeslayer> hm
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> "Hey I just borked your HDD"
[23:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> "Reformat? y/n"
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> "Reformat? Y/n" :P
[23:39] <shadeslayer> right, so KNotifications shouldn't allow you to interact with the app?
[23:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hig fail
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> KNotifications can have action buttons embedded in them
[23:40] <shadeslayer> right, which is what ktp-text-ui does right now
[23:40] <shadeslayer> but all they do is look fugly
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> basically the precense plasmoid could be a KSNI if it wanted to (talking about 0.3)
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> dunno what's changed in 0.4
[23:41] <shadeslayer> nah, the presence plasmoid wasn't designed that way afaik
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> eh, all it is is an icon showing the state, with a context menu
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> which is exactly what a KSNI is
[23:41] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:41] <apachelogger> if yer off the icon would be in passive state
[23:42] <apachelogger> (i.e. hidden in the popup)
[23:42] <shadeslayer> wait, so will this also require me to re write the presence plasmoid?
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> what are you trying to do again? (I've not read backlog)
[23:42]  * apachelogger does not know what needs to be done :P
[23:43] <apachelogger> <-- cleaning up amarok includes
[23:43] <apachelogger> major bumpain
[23:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: trying to figure out what needs to be done to implement KSNI support in kde telepathy
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you'd probably want a KDED module that implements a KSNI interface
[23:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you don't implement KSNI support
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> if you wanted KSNI
[23:43] <apachelogger> you have apps be a KSNI :P
[23:44] <apachelogger> it enitrely depends on what the KSNI is supposed to do really
[23:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not if it's complicated
[23:44] <apachelogger> if the kded module goes to shitz so does kded as we have learned through memleakery :P
[23:44] <shadeslayer> ok, I'm still confusing stuff here it seems
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it either: launches the account manager executable, launches the contacts list .exe, or does nothing when clicked
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> & listens to precense status messages
[23:45] <apachelogger> well, I do not know what shadeslayer wants to do :P
[23:45] <shadeslayer> so ideally, this KSNI should inform the user of a) New messages, b) new incoming contacts, c) New video/audio calls
[23:45] <shadeslayer> that's all I can think of right now
[23:46] <shadeslayer> all of that is handled via KNotification right now
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> that sounds like the correct way to do that
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> (use KNotifications)
[23:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does it get that infomration?
[23:46] <apachelogger> or rather
[23:47] <apachelogger> what does the user do upon getting a notification?
[23:47] <apachelogger> the notifications are right
[23:47] <apachelogger> AAMOF you often end up combining a KSNI with KNotifications
[23:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for texts there's a button to reply, for new incoming contacts he can accept or deny ( and I think there's a option to block, not sure if that works )
[23:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the part that provides the notifications then also wants to be a KSNI
[23:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: notifications are not enough here as they time out, which is e.g. not good when having a new message
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: doesn't the KDE notifications widget store them?
[23:49] <shadeslayer> ^
[23:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes but you have no active feedback
[23:49] <shadeslayer> But ... those are not persistent iirc
[23:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: by that reasoning muon should not have a KSNI for updates :P
[23:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they are until you clean them, or too many piled up
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it has the option to use KSNI, KNotification, both or none :P
[23:49] <apachelogger> no clue how many many are tho :P
[23:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so why is the default both? :P
[23:50] <apachelogger> also ETOOMANYOPTIONS
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> when in KNotification-only mode, the KNotify's are made persistent
[23:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and the latter is perfectly plausible when using a IM app, imagine having 5 people contact you with 5 messages when you're away from your desk
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> in the combo mode, it's non-persistent knotifies w/ the tray for interaction
[23:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: which is why you should have a KSNI
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> in tray-only mode you just get a mysterious KSNI  in the tray :P
[23:51] <apachelogger> (mind that for us that KSNI use case overlaps with message indicator)
[23:51] <shadeslayer> right
[23:51] <shadeslayer> so ideally, along with the KNotifications, a KSNI should be used
[23:52] <shadeslayer> and the KSNI will be a central place for all messages coming from KTP
[23:52] <shadeslayer> so it should ideally be a daemon
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> iirc kde-telepathy already has a kded
[23:52] <shadeslayer> ^ yep
[23:52] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whatever causes the notifications shoudl also provide the KSNI
[23:53] <apachelogger> yay, I am lagging, someone is downloading prn again \o/
[23:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh ... the text ui has separate notification code
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> and the KSNI would then provide those notifications and combine that w/ status info
[23:53] <shadeslayer> ( that's the the only submodule I've investigated so far )
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> taking over what the prescence widget has been doing
[23:53] <shadeslayer> okay
[23:55]  * apachelogger really doens't know/understand all the ktp modules :P
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> btw, I'm re-enabling k3b-i18n in this merge since we're now in universe
[23:55] <apachelogger> 5 MINUTES FOR COUNCIL ELECTION
[23:56]  * apachelogger almost wrote erection :@
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> lul
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> we'll probably want to look at all of our seeded packages not covered by kde-l10n-* and ensure that they get integrated in to the l10n-foo
[23:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no idea what that means
[23:57] <apachelogger> also no idea what was disabled in k3b
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> make sure they get installed when an international user installs k3b
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> it used to be: just install language-pack-kde-* and k3b docs are installed
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> now one must install k3b-i18n to get l10n for all languages
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> this move to universe has finally given us what we wanted (to not use rosetta) so now we must take responsibility :P


[00:17] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: ping
[00:26] <rcn-ee> rlameiro, pong (just walked in)
[00:33] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: I am getting an erron on the linaro-create-media script
[00:33] <rlameiro> IIRC you made it, maybe you can help me
[00:34] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/553827/
[00:34] <rcn-ee> hey rlameiro, i did the intial implementation, if it's one of the extensions i might not be any help... (loads pastebin)
[00:35] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: lameiro@studiobeta:~/stagepd/linaro$ linaro-media-create --rootfs ext3 --mmc /dev/mmcblk0 --dev igep                     --binary linaro-m-netbook-efl-tar-20101108-1.tar.gz                     --hwpack hwpack_linaro-igep_20101109-1_armel.tar.gz
[00:36] <rlameiro> this is the command I ran
[00:36] <rlameiro> I even bought a diferent sd card... i tought it could be it
[00:38] <rcn-ee> (finally found src location)
[00:39] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: lol, sorry...
[00:40] <rcn-ee> yuck..  it's really nothing like it use to be...
[00:41] <rcn-ee> i don't think i can help you too much rlameiro, if you consider what i orignall wrote to be a model t.. it's more like a porshe right now.. i'd be pretty useless right now with it..
[00:42] <rcn-ee> i'd first double check, does it properly recoginze /dev/mmcblk0 have "pX" partition names, vs /dev/sda have "X" anmes..
[00:43] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: dont know, shouldnt it work with the root disk?
[00:44] <rlameiro> i can wipe out the disk and leave it blank again. I tried it and it gave me an error
[00:44] <rlameiro> will try again
[00:45] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: weird... the script did formatted the card.. it has 2 partitions .... one fat and other ext3.... i think it recognizes it
[00:48] <rcn-ee> yeah, it looks like it formated fine, but when mounting the first time to populate some data it bombed..
[00:50] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: yeap
[00:50] <rlameiro> it doent mount. I took the card out and in again and ubuntu doesnt mount it
[00:51] <rlameiro> could it be some config problem?
[00:52] <rcn-ee> i don't think so.... do you have any other card readers?  only my work laptop has the /dev/mmcblk0pX syntax so i can't test anything at the moment..
[00:57] <rlameiro> rcn-ee: nop. its the builtin. But i am thinking on buying one for some time now. i think tomorrow i will buy one and then see if it is the reader fault
[02:10] <SaidKLE> Question: are there any how-tos for native install of ubuntu on mids?
[15:51] <rsalveti> robclark: yep, we have 2 around here
[15:51] <robclark> rsalveti: cool
[18:11] <robclark> GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/+bug/55871
[18:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 55871 in oprofile (Ubuntu) "oprofile doesn't seem to work with VMware (heat: 1)" [Low,Confirmed]
[18:25] <GrueMaster> robclark: THat was an ancient bug.  Here is a new one:
[18:25] <GrueMaster> Bug #702999
[18:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702999 in oprofile (Ubuntu) "oprofile failure on armel (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702999
[18:25] <robclark> cool, thx GrueMaster
[18:48] <armin76> bug 1
[18:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 20 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 614) (heat: 2979)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:48] <armin76> :D
[18:48] <armin76> robclark: fix
[18:49] <robclark> armin76: heheh
[19:04] <rsalveti> robclark: https://launchpad.net/~rsalveti/+archive/qt-neon
[20:42] <rsalveti> alf: do you remember the package name that had the cdbs class used to do arch specific changes?
[20:42] <rsalveti> I think it was gdk-pixbuf
[20:43] <GrueMaster> ogra: I was going over the bug work list, and found that Bug #645659 was fixed prior to maverick release.  I've marked both jasper-initramfs and flash-kernel as fix released.   Correct me if I am wrong.
[20:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 645659 in jasper-initramfs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "flash-kernel doesn't work with the IGEPv2 board (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645659
[20:53] <ogra> GrueMaster, thanks, i think its fine
[21:16] <gerflo> hi folks - I successfully  installed and managed to boot ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img on my IGEPv2 board and now I need the default login/password to access my machin, anyone to help me here ?
[21:20] <GrueMaster> gerflo: There is no "default" password.  On the second boot, the system should start X and launch oem-config, which will prompt you for language, locale, keyboard, and user settings.
[21:20] <gerflo> OK -so I have to boot twice - I wil check this - thank you...
[21:20] <rsalveti> if not then you're not using the initrd
[21:20] <GrueMaster> First boot resizes the root partition,and it automatically reboots from there.
[21:21] <gerflo> hm - mine did boot into normal graphical login as I know from several other Ubuntu systems...
[21:23] <GrueMaster> gerflo: Very odd.  It should beloading both uImage and uInitrd from the first partition.  If it is only loading uImage (kernel), then something is wrong.
[21:23] <gerflo> OK - second boot finished an now boots into desktop without login prompt  - thank you guys, this was to simple ;-)
[21:24] <gerflo> now let's try to install XBMC and than hopefully Airplay :-)
[23:14] <alf> rsalveti: or gtk3?


[17:25] <pleia2> meh, gmail still eating some of my newlines in emails
[18:15] <greg-g> pleia2: use mutt :)
[20:23] <nhaines> Yay, Mario Kart 7!
[20:25] <pleia2> greg-g: I have it configured with mutt, but imap is soooo slow :(
[20:32] <greg-g> pleia2: offlineimap
[20:32] <greg-g> ;)
[20:33] <pleia2> yeah, I've already done header caching but haven't gone quite that far
[20:33] <pleia2> mostly I'm just irritated that this issue exists at all :)
[20:36] <greg-g> well, aside from gmail's interface, it isn't really that good of a product, in my opinion
[20:37] <pleia2> this is the first major problem I've really had with it
[20:39] <greg-g> aside from non-threading, bastardized "imap" implementation, and privacy/gov't suppeonas/etc, yeah, no issues :P
[20:40] <pleia2> threading is client side, if you open mails in a client it's not a problem
[20:40] <greg-g> right, but we're talking about it as a product, I thought :)
[20:41] <pleia2> ah, I was confused by your mention of imap :)
[20:41] <greg-g> true
[20:41] <greg-g> hah, touche
[20:42] <pleia2> and as a general rule, I hate privacy, google already knows everything about me (and pays for my health insurance) so none of that bothers me personally
[20:42] <pleia2> I guess I wouldn't say "hate" more like "I gave up on it"
[20:43] <greg-g> wait, google pays for your health insurance?
[20:43] <greg-g> you work for google/
[20:43] <pleia2> no, my fiance does, I'm covered as a domestic partner
[20:43] <greg-g> ah, right
[20:44] <greg-g> I don't think that entitles anyone to know my personal details as a competetitive asset, though
[20:44] <pleia2> I'm ok with that price for the service
[20:45] <pleia2> I manage email servers at work all day, I decided in 2007 that doing it at home too was going to make me crazy :
[20:45] <pleia2> :)
[20:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: Interested in saying hello to any of the Debian people?
[20:53] <bkerensa> I can log into Ghangout and walk around with my lapt
[20:53] <bkerensa> laptop*
[20:55] <pleia2> bkerensa: I don't have a webcam that can do google hangout
[20:55] <bkerensa> Oh :d
[20:55] <bkerensa> ok :D
[20:56] <pleia2> my netbook has one, but g+ is too much for poor little netbook :)
[20:56] <pleia2> it can barely do skype
[20:56] <pleia2> so, hi over IRC! ;)
[20:57] <pleia2> the CC started doing our bi-weekly calls over g+, I found a mic so I can at least participate that way
[20:58] <pleia2> getting a webcam is still a bit too 21st century for me ;)
[21:30] <pleia2> must.not.buy.mario.kart.7.
[21:30] <pleia2> I went on a trip last weekend, I can't afford such shiny
[21:43] <nhaines> pleia2: it's great!  The graphics are beautiful and there are two Wuhu Island tracks that are a lot of fun.  I really like tha place.  :)
[21:43] <pleia2> not helping!
[21:43] <pleia2> :)
[21:44] <nhaines> pleia2: not only does it have a Friend List firmware update, but if you choose download play with someone who doesn't have it, it updates their firmware too.  Can't get cooler than that!  :)
[21:45] <nhaines> Plus you don't play in Communist Mode like in Mario Kart Wii (items seemed to be better balanced).
[21:46] <pleia2> hah
[21:48] <pleia2> ok, heading out for the afternoon (and not stopping at gamestop!)
[21:48] <nhaines> Haha, have fun!
[21:56] <bkerensa> :( my tummy is full of hummus


[00:03] <Unit193> m4v: Indeed, congrats.
[00:28] <m4v> Unit193: thanks
[12:30] <caribou> Hello, I've been instructed to come here to request a cloak for my IRC id
[12:30] <caribou> Here is my launchpad page : https://launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard
[12:33] <Pici> caribou: hi, let me take a look.
[12:39] <caribou> thanks. Sorry, gotta step out for 30 min; I'll check my log as soon as I'm back
[12:40] <Pici> okay :)
[16:03] <hggdh> ircc -- keeping on with the revamp of the #ubuntu-br-* namespace, please give tiagoscd and myself admin access to #ubuntu-br-pe, and #ubuntu-br-seguranca
[18:26] <pyToolmaker> hallo, ich bitte um einen irc ubuntu cloak. I request a cloak. "other/cloak/ubuntu.py2maker" https://launchpad.net/~py2maker
[18:27] <pleia2> !membership | pyToolmaker
[18:27] <pleia2> pyToolmaker: you need to be an Ubuntu Member for an Ubuntu cloak
[18:28] <pyToolmaker> !membership | pyToolmaker
[18:28] <Pici> You can request a generic unaffiliated cloak in #freenode however.
[18:35] <pyToolmaker> okay im not a real Ubuntu Member!