[00:19]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:22]  * bjsnider drinks about 6 cups of it
[00:22] <bjsnider> and is still drowsy
[00:26] <genii> bjsnider: I empathise
[00:30] <genii> Hm. I have no battery, apparently. But yet the machine continues to work
[01:13] <maxb> Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting?
[01:14] <maxb> The only thing that I can think of that's changed recently is plymouth was installed
[01:21] <maxb> Hmm. Not plymouth. mesa perhaps?
[01:22] <crimsun> I boot with nosplash, enter my cryptsetup passphrase blindly, and continue
[01:22] <yofel> I never use splash
[01:22] <yofel> but mesa was pretty broken, the upload from a while ago should fix that though
[01:53] <Daemonik> I'm using Ubuntu lpia, i386 software works fine, how can I force lpia to use i386 repositories?
[01:56] <yofel> Daemonik: you'll have to reinstall the i386 version
[01:56] <yofel> *i386 Ubuntu version
[01:57] <yofel> Daemonik: official announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-November/000643.html
[01:59] <virtuald> do anyone else get out of memory errors? i checked with memtest86+ and it reports no errors
[02:00] <virtuald> this is on ati and nomodeset on the kernel command line does not help
[02:00] <yofel> nope, at least not yet
[02:00] <yofel> no ati though
[02:01] <virtuald> i've seen it for at least a week
[02:01] <Daemonik> yofel, That's not a solution by any stretch to this valid problem.
[02:01] <yofel> if he doesn't think it is, waiting a moment to allow a reply before just vanishing would be nice...
[02:02] <alex_mayorga> Hi, are "indicator applet" and "indicator applet session" broken?
[02:02] <virtuald> (:
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> never mind, I just saw them both on the updates
[02:04] <alex_mayorga> any major breakage on the latest kernel?
[02:04]  * yofel thinks he's loosing track of what's broken and what not
[02:05] <yofel> alex_mayorga: no more than with the previous one yet
[02:05] <alex_mayorga> yofel: i.e.?
[02:05] <yofel> suspend broken for intel VGA
[02:05] <yofel> that's the only thing that doesn't work for me though
[02:06] <alex_mayorga> I don't think I've even tried suspend yet
[02:08] <yofel> bug 492392
[02:20] <alex_mayorga> well if I'm not back soon something broke on this end
[02:20]  * alex_mayorga knock on wood
[03:30] <jordanwb> Did compositing disable on anyone when upgrading today?
[03:31] <bjsnider> only do safe-upgrades for a couple days
[03:34] <jordanwb> I'm looking to the xorg logs and it can't find the glx module to load
[03:34] <jordanwb> looking at*
[03:35] <bjsnider> right
[03:35] <bjsnider> this problem will be solved in a day or two
[03:35] <jordanwb> fair enough
[03:36] <jordanwb> I searched the bugs report and didn't find one, so I posted one using ubuntu-bug
[03:36] <bjsnider> it is solved, but the packages have to be uploaded and built
[03:37] <bjsnider> there is a bug already but i don't know the number
[03:42] <jordanwb> okay
[03:42] <jordanwb> There is currently an update for xserver-xorg-core
[04:12] <akio_> holy crap my keyboard is no longer working as an input device in X!
[04:12] <akio_> I'm running this using X forwarding
[04:13] <akio_> any ideas?
[04:38] <Ahmuck> Xsession: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startldxe" X session --- "/usr/bin/startldxe" not found; falling back to default session. [okay] - Lubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha1
[04:38] <Ahmuck> new install
[04:38] <akio_> hello
[04:39] <akio_> I have no issue inside a tty
[04:39] <akio_> with the aforeentioned keyboard issue
[04:39] <akio_> aforementioned*
[04:52] <mrmcq2u> Hi, I installed the rgba/client side windows ppa and I was wondering if there is a good way of reverting back without needing to do a fresh install?
[04:52] <DanaG> ppa-purge can do it -- not sure where that script itself is actually kept, though.
[04:53] <RAOF> Yeah, easy.  Either use “ppa-purge” from the xorg-edgers archive, or “sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-0=2.19.2-1ubuntu1"
[04:53] <mrmcq2u> so ppa-purge ppa:nameofppa ?
[04:55] <mrmcq2u> package management would be so much easier if we had a semantic file system which treated files like git :)
[04:57] <akio> anybody got an idea as to how to troubleshoot a keyboard not working in X?
[04:57] <akio> works in a tty
[04:59] <mrmcq2u> hmmm.... compiz wont enable
[05:00] <akio> the touchpad works but no keyboard
[05:56] <nulled> jono: love your show shotofjaq...
[05:59] <jono> nulled, thanks so much!
[05:59] <jono> we are really keen for people to spread the word, so tell your friends :)
[05:59] <jono> also #shotofjaq :)
[06:01] <nulled> you guys were literal fortune tellers on LUG radio... than most of you got hired by Canonical... (Where did this ubuntu thing come from? Out of now where?) Amazing history... also I listen to FLOSS Weekly... keep up to the good work
[06:03] <nulled> yep will do
[06:03] <jono> nulled, hehe :)
[06:03] <jono> thanks so much!
[06:03] <jono> we have a new shot out tomorrow
[06:03] <jono> discussing Skype
[06:03] <jono> or it might be out today, depending on your timezone :)
[06:04] <nulled> great
[06:04] <nulled> keepit raw
[06:04] <nulled> we like raw
[06:04] <jono> nulled, oh we plan to get rawer :)
[06:04] <nulled> Aq has an amazing mind... always on point
[06:06] <jono> nulled, Aq is awesome :)
[08:15] <ouyes> hi please take a look at this i need your suggestion http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376583
[08:48] <coz_> hey guys..real quick...manual install of nvidia drivers...compiz plugin dont work...I havent looked into it far enough to see if it was the nvidia driver  or compiz packages yet...but thought i would put it out t here incase
[08:49] <hifi> manual install of nvidia drivers -> fail miserably
[08:50] <coz_> hifi,  on this level of lucid you mean?
[08:51] <coz_> hifi,  the driver is working but not most of the compiz plugins
[08:51] <hifi> any level, don't do it man
[08:51] <coz_> hifi,  oh I generally always do it :)   dont feel bad ... this is my regular habit
[09:15] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:33] <knittl> syntax error: File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py", line 42 finally:
[09:33] <knittl> oO
[09:44] <maxb> Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting lucid?
[09:44] <maxb> at the point where X would start
[09:46] <joaopinto> maxb, there is more people reporting it, with intel graphics
[09:47] <Hew> I just updated and restarted and now I can't boot. Known issue?
[09:47] <maxb> Hew: Intel graphics hardware, perchance?
[09:47] <Hew> no nvidia
[09:47] <Hew> 7600GT
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> hew should have doen upgrade
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> tseliot asked yerterday to hold on 48h
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> nvidia and MESA mess
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> try to revert packages hew, or ask for further help in #ubuntu-x
[09:49] <Hew> ah ok, I saw a nvidia-current package appear so I tried to use that, I guess that's the problem then
[09:49] <Hew> ok thanks BUGabundo_work
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> no...
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> -current is the old one
[09:49] <hifi> my radeon kms tty isn't initializing btw
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> and should be replaced by new one
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> as soon as it go stable
[09:49] <hifi> X works fine, but tty is black
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: but do try to run nvidia-xconfig
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> seems to help
[09:50] <Hew> well I'm at busybox shell atm
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> autch
[09:52] <CosmiChaos> lol upgrades killed the opengl-star
[09:53] <CosmiChaos> nvidia-setttings says on glx tab: failed to query the GLX server vendor
[09:53] <CosmiChaos> any gl-app including compiz refuse to work x(
[09:54] <CosmiChaos> wtf who installed glx-195, i forced 190.30 beta damn
[09:54] <CosmiChaos> i need to remove all that ubnntu nvidia driver O.o
[09:59] <yofel> CosmiChaos: the nvidia driver packaging has changed completely
[10:00] <CosmiChaos> ok i just remove it and reinstall nvidia beta 190.30 from tty1
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> re everything is back to normal
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> seems to be the regular procedure when using nvidia-betas
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> because nvidia-com installs nvidia-glx
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> common
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> so on update it reinstalls the packages, i was never informed that it going to install new package nvidia-glx
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> while i always use synaptic
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> same goes for kernel upgrades
[10:08] <yofel> CosmiChaos: since the packaging has changed, the nvidia 185 updates are forced since the -glx packages are obsolete
[10:08] <CosmiChaos> because that nvidia-installer of course does not provide a routine to trigger rebuilding kernel modules for non actual but highest installed version
[10:09] <CosmiChaos> obsolete???
[10:09] <yofel> CosmiChaos: the new packages are nvidia-current nvidia-173 and nvidia-96
[10:10] <CosmiChaos> yes but there are not obsolete, seems that them are still the basic driver and current is just a transitional package
[10:10] <yofel> CosmiChaos: what I meant is that the 'nvdia-glx-173' etc. are obsolete
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> oh right current does not installglx-185
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> really... weird
[10:11] <yofel> the packaging has changed so that you can now actually have all drivers installed at the same time
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> and glx-185 is versioned 190.53 lol
[10:11] <yofel> CosmiChaos: yes, transitional package
[10:11] <BUGabundo_work> CosmiChaos: here is a free tip: $sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[10:12] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo_work, sucks
[10:12] <yofel> uh, wait, with the new packaging they even shouldn't interfere with the nvidia.com driver anymore, as the module names are different
[10:13]  * BUGabundo_work is so confused about the new nvidia drivers
[10:13] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo_work, why should i do that, it would not help me in using nvidias-beta packages mrore comfortable
[10:13] <CosmiChaos> and still i do this safe-upgrade likely manual
[10:14] <CosmiChaos> sometimes you dont want to install new packages even if they dont require to uninstall something
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> i just lock the nvidia packages hehe
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> lockt to version: not installed works fine
[10:16] <yofel> CosmiChaos: if I understand the new packaging right, you shouldn't have a problem having -current installed while using the nvidia.com beta driver
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> see i want the upgrade not to install something, not not to remove something
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> CosmiChaos: aptitude hold PACKAGE
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> it makes the glxinfo.so not a ssymbolic link to what library 190.53 used so opengl was not available
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> but u out of luck. new Xorg requires new driver too
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> i need to twice reinstall the beta and reboot
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> and now i need to go
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> cya
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> no xorg would not use proprietary nvidia drivers ;)
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> i guess they will rely on nouveou
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> even the nvidia-installed newly says failed distrtibution script something lately in lucid
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> well really cya
[10:44] <Hew> Any ideas how I can rescue my system from a busybox shell? I'm in a chroot now from a LiveUSB but not really sure where to start.
[10:54] <Hew> sometimes I get these errors instead when booting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355432/
[10:56] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: how about remove nvidia drivers?
[10:56] <BUGabundo_work> VESA would at least allow bootng
[10:57] <Hew> BUGabundo_work, is it getting that far in the boot process? I'm not sure, usually xorg/nvidia problems gives me the option to use the low graphics mode
[10:57] <Hew> with these mountall errors I don't have a terminal or anything
[10:57] <Hew> and I'm not too sure how to add/remove things from the chroot I had open earlier
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: i've read fta had probs with grub
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> not sure u are that far back stuck
[11:04] <Hew> ok I might give it 24h to see if it's some new issue, but if it's not I'll just reinstall
[11:06] <alkisg> Hew: doesn't selecting the recovery mode from grub help?
[11:07] <Hew> I can't even work out how to get into grub2, it just says "grub loading" no matter how much I hit esc
[11:08] <alkisg> Try with shift pressed
[11:11] <Hew> haha thanks alkisg that worked, loading into recovery mode of an old kernel :D
[11:11] <alkisg> Hew: do give this a try: apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[11:14] <Hew> done alkisg, should I try restarting now?
[11:14] <Hew> fyi I'd be happy enough getting things working with nv
[11:15] <alkisg> Well, I don't really know what your problem was, but this command fixes some things that broke today... so sure, you can try rebooting...
[11:15] <Hew> ok thanks alot for your help alkisg, it's looking a lot more promising
[11:22] <Hew> alkisg, I've booted in low graphics mode on and old kernel. This is good enough for me for the time being. Thanks!
[11:22] <alkisg> Hew, you're welcome
[11:24] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: i know, the hidden grub sucks :(
[11:25] <Hew> it should say 'press shift for menu' or something
[11:25] <Hew> thanks for your help too BUGabundo_work :-)
[11:38] <om26er_> until yesterday everthing was just fine and today there are many applications malfunctioning
[11:42] <zoobox> Hi, is there a time-schedule on a webpage somewhere that lists when things in next version of ubuntu happens? like when will the first alpha (or what is is valled) that you don't have to compile yourself be released and things
[11:42] <Ian_Corne> !release
[11:42] <Ian_Corne> otherwise check the topic
[11:43] <zoobox> oh oups.. there is allready an alpha :-}
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> zoobox: forget the alphas. go for dailies
[12:01] <rrob> Hi all, pls do you know which sound system is used in Ubuntu 9.10?
[12:02] <knittl> rrob: pulseaudio
[12:02] <rrob> thanx
[12:03] <rrob> And alsa controls tools didnt work right now, isnt it?
[12:04] <knittl> pulseaudio still uses alsa behind the scene as far as i understand
[12:06] <rrob> Im googling how to switch default soundcard.
[12:06] <coz_> hey guys...how do you pull up  "About Ubuntu"  via termina?
[12:07] <rrob> coz_: do you have icon on desktop?
[12:07] <rrob> me not, i have erased it
[12:07] <coz_> rrob,   no I dont
[12:07] <rrob> create new user, logon as him, you will have icon on panel
[12:08] <rrob> right click - properties and you will see command how to run about ubuntu
[12:08] <coz_> rrob,  the reason I am asking is that  "About Ubuntu" window opens with nothing in it and the cursor is excessively jumpy
[12:08] <rrob> aaaa pardon, i think that you speak about ubuntu help
[12:08] <coz_> i wanted to see any errors that may show up
[12:08] <coz_> rrob,  no not ubuntu help
[12:09] <rrob> understand, sorry, dont know
[12:09] <coz_> no problem
[12:10] <rrob> coz_: I found second button - gnome-about .) its package
[12:11] <coz_> rrob,   apparenlty the error is    yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:11] <coz_> the command  is    yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:12] <coz_> rather   Yelper initialization failed for 0x97f0298
[12:13] <rrob> sry, more googling
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> coz_:
[12:14] <Ian_Corne> yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:14] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  yep got that thanks :)
[12:14] <coz_> also found bug report
[12:14] <rrob> and my problem .) ...  I found some cli commands how to switch default sound card via alsa, but they didnt work. Does anybody know some tool which can switch cards? gui or cli?
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> 9.10 or 10.04?
[12:15] <coz_> rrob,  is there an onboard card as well?
[12:15] <rrob> 9.10
[12:15] <rrob> coz_: yes
[12:15] <rrob> onboard and audigy
[12:15] <rrob> I want make shortcut for switching them.
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> i'll have to redirect you to #ubuntu then rrob
[12:16] <coz_> rrob,   I have not seen anything to  switch cards  although you could disable the onboard via the bios
[12:16] <coz_> rrob,   you could also try #also channel or ##linus
[12:16] <coz_> ##linux
[12:16] <rrob> you can switch it via standart soundcard gui, but its about 5clicks
[12:17] <rrob> i need to simplify it
[12:17] <rrob> ok, im going to #ubu, bye
[12:17] <om26er> the whole lucid cycle everything was fine but today's updates were a disaster any specific package invloved?
[12:21] <ripps> geez, the new 'me menu' takes up too much space on my panel
[13:20] <BUGabundo_work> Ian_Corne: next time send him to #ubuntu-audio-help
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> aha
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[13:26] <acicula> heu moar ubuntu channels?
[13:30] <BUGabundo_work> Ian_Corne: acicula: usually dtchen is around their, and since the backlog is smaller, it makes it easier to be supported
[14:38] <nvme> can someone help me with udev, i cant figure out how to write a rules for my mouse (converting from fdi file)
[14:41] <NateW> for some reason, wifi does not discover connections.. if i use "connect to a hidden network" and enter the information, i can connect just fine, but as soon as i disconnect, i have to repeat the process.. also it is not a hidden network since i can connect just fine in karmc..
[17:11] <ibkanat> could I get some help? my wired eth0 wont work in lucid
[17:12] <ibkanat> ifconfig
[17:12] <ibkanat> and it shows the eth0 module but doesnt see router
[17:12] <ibkanat> worked fine before upgrade
[17:13] <ibkanat> or can someone point me to a network setup command
[17:13] <ibkanat> or wiki
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> ibkanat: what card is it ?
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> lspci -b | pastebinit
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> lspci -v | pastebinit , actually
[17:15] <ibkanat> lets see nvidia MCP51 built into my asus motherboard
[17:15] <ibkanat> kernel driver in use forcedeth
[17:16] <BUGabundo_work> u may also ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[17:16] <BUGabundo_work> he is the guy behind NM
[17:16] <ibkanat> capaiblities acess denied
[17:16] <ibkanat> is it a permissions issue I added networking to my user
[17:19] <ibkanat> is there a wiki for troubleshooting?
[17:27] <ibkanat> anyone else have tips
[17:28] <ibkanat> netmanger shows connected but cant ping router
[17:28] <ibkanat> after I set the ip with ifconfig
[17:29] <ibkanat> if  I could just get it to work for a little bit to update ..... ahhhhhhhhhhh
[17:30] <komputes> ibkanat: which one do *you* want to use NM or ifconfig?
[17:30] <komputes> they compete, that is to say Network manager takes over
[17:30] <ibkanat> I would like NM to work
[17:30] <ibkanat> anything is fine
[17:30] <komputes> then NM it is
[17:31] <komputes> what you you have in your /etc/network/interfaces
[17:31] <komputes> (please pastebin it)
[17:31] <ibkanat> hard to paste bin since no net
[17:32] <ibkanat> just auto lo and
[17:32] <ibkanat> iface lo inet loopback
[17:33] <ibkanat> should I add eth0 auto?
[17:33] <ibkanat> would it look like iface eth0 auto?
[17:35] <ibkanat> should I add it static?
[17:36] <ibkanat> just added iface eth0 inet dhcp
[17:36] <komputes> ibkanat: you should not do anything yet ;)
[17:36] <ibkanat> is that right?
[17:36] <ibkanat> oop
[17:36] <komputes> ok, then, troubleshoot it, let me know how it goes
[17:38] <ibkanat> no I will remove and wait doesnt work
[17:38] <ibkanat> ready
[17:41] <ibkanat> should I wait for help?
[17:48] <ibkanat> anyone else care to help?
[17:53] <BUGabundo_work> FYI nvidia users: [17:52] <tseliot> BUGabundo_work: sure, it should be safe to upgrade. Note: after the upgrade (just to be safe) reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[18:24] <jorgen> hi there!
[19:16] <burzki> hey.  after the last kernel update a day ago, my '3' key causes a restart when used in an open program .. any ideas?
[20:01] <FFForever> Anyone around?, I disabled the indicator applet and messaging app (Don't like it...) anyways how do i get the pidgin tray icon back?, last time i asked #pidgin they said you guys mod the source and won't help..., Also i know this is not #ubuntu but #ubuntu slides to fast and no one know hows to put the tray icon
[20:03] <jpds> FFForever: Tools → Preferences → Always show system tray icon?
[20:03]  * FFForever kicks self
[20:03] <FFForever> I didn't see that before =\
[20:05]  * jpds hugs FFForever.
[20:06] <FFForever> How do you get on irc from your ds?
[20:11] <jpds> FFForever: DS?
[20:12] <FFForever> i guess its not initials ds?
[20:12] <jpds> No.
[20:12] <FFForever> I see
[20:12] <jpds> Just a nick.
[20:12] <FFForever> whats it stand for?
[20:12] <jpds> Nothing.
[20:13] <FFForever> Ahhh cool
[20:13] <FFForever> What do you think mine is?
[20:15] <burzki> !ot | FFForever
[20:16] <FFForever> sorry xD
[20:26] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:26] <BUGabundo> nvidia still DOA
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[20:26] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[20:27] <arand> BUGabundo: Dogs On Acid?
[20:28] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log
[20:28] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355687/
[20:28] <BUGabundo> arand: or my fav, dead on arrival
[20:29] <burzki> BUGabundo, any idea why my monitor is not turning off during shutdown?  everything else seems to shutdown fine, but the monitor is left hanging on, machine wont turn off
[20:29] <BUGabundo> no
[20:29] <burzki> ati ratheon
[20:29] <burzki> thx
[20:30] <charlie-tca> bug?
[20:30]  * charlie-tca just guessing
[20:31] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yes?
[20:31] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, what about nvidia?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: can't get 3D :(
[20:31] <charlie-tca> guessing at burzki's issue
[20:31] <charlie-tca> is it a bug?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ahh not me then
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:31] <BUGabundo> darn nick
[20:32] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, I have nvidia-current installed, and the compiz desktop cube rotates.  Raise on rotate is not working.  And I do get a warning from VMware that GL isn't available.
[20:32] <NoelJB> So something is b0rked.
[20:33] <BUGabundo> the entire X and nvidia
[20:33] <BUGabundo> at least you got 3D
[20:34] <NoelJB> But apparently not everything.  NONE of the GL screensavers renders.
[20:34] <NoelJB> The only 3D effect I can see is the rotating desktop cube.
[20:35] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, from what I see in the change logs as updates come out, there are definite issues related to GL.
[20:38] <burzki> charlie-tca, i imagine, though i dont know where to start looking for what the error would be.  started after an update several days ago
[20:38] <charlie-tca> probably go away on its own too
[20:38] <burzki> have been fussing with ati/radeon/fglrx packages ..
[20:38] <burzki> eventually i imagine ..
[20:38] <burzki> pain in the arse now, i cant shitdown w/o hard poweroff
[20:39] <burzki> *shutdown.  sorry
[20:40] <burzki> after yesterdays kernel upgrade, now my #three key causes a restart ..
[20:40] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: what is the bug on nvidia?
[20:40] <burzki> silly
[20:40] <BUGabundo> no idea charlie-tca
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Hmmm, it won't install from a new install today either
[20:42]  * BUGabundo shouts: stupid postgres
[20:43] <NoelJB> So far, though, lucid looks OK.  Suspend/resume are b0rked.  AW wants me to try without the real nvidia driver, so I'll give one of the toys are try for completeness.
[20:43] <BUGabundo> how the heck do you purge a package that insistes in running dpkg --reconfigure 1st, but fails post install script ?!?
[20:43] <NoelJB> dpkg --purge <x> doesn't work?
[20:43] <Ian_Corne> normal unistall?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:44] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Easy.  You edit the postinst script!
[20:44] <BUGabundo> just asks to run --configure .a
[20:44] <BUGabundo> I know
[20:44] <BUGabundo> that's what I'm doint next RAOF
[20:45] <BUGabundo> but will keep all the cruft of postgress
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and a Stock program
[20:45] <BUGabundo> due to a bad post install script
[20:45] <BUGabundo> heck, I'm hacking apt db instead
[20:45] <BUGabundo> takes less time
[20:46] <BUGabundo> hope next release fixes this
[20:46] <BUGabundo> bug reported any way
[20:46] <RAOF> No, you just edit the postinst script to not fail, then purge as normal.
[20:46] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:47] <BUGabundo> RAOF: if only I knew where the post install script is
[20:49] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, what about dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq <package>  ?
[20:51] <RAOF> BUGabundo: It's in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[20:51] <BUGabundo> found it
[20:51] <RAOF> BUGabundo: With all the other dpkg stuff :)
[20:51] <BUGabundo> thanks to mlocate
[20:52] <BUGabundo> thanks RAOF, for putting up with me, and my rattings
[20:52] <pasjr> is 64deg c to hot to be running my laptop?
[20:52] <BUGabundo> STUPID STUPID bug
[20:53] <BUGabundo> tries to remove a dir that doesn't exist
[20:53] <BUGabundo> I'm bashing the darn dev
[20:53] <BUGabundo> pasjr: mine is at 58 GPU
[20:53] <BUGabundo> CPU at 51
[20:53] <BUGabundo> its ~8ºC room temperature
[20:54] <pasjr> ok I have it running at 2.30GHz and its temp is 64deg C just making sure its ok
[20:54] <RAOF> pasjr: No, not at all.  My ASUS runs between 70℃ and 90℃ under load.
[20:54] <RAOF> (It triggers the emergency shutdown once it hits 90℃, though)
[20:55] <pasjr> i used to be able to control the fan and temp in 9.04 but not in 10.04, or atleast I have not found the correct config for it
[20:56] <pasjr> in 9.04 i could run 2.30GHz at 45degC
[20:56] <BluesKaj> managed to get kde 4.4 back up and running after doing a hiatus on gnome for the last 3 days
[20:56] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, apparently, we're missing libGLU.so.1
[20:56] <BUGabundo> tell me about it NoelJB :(
[20:56] <charlie-tca> bug 506618
[20:57] <pasjr> 10.04 seems a little better with the recent updates, but i lost software center, but can access it via Ubuntu Tweak
[20:57] <NoelJB> charlie-tca, I have nvidia-current installed.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> more likely  bug 494166
[20:57] <NoelJB> it installed fine, as far as I can tell.
[20:57] <pasjr> is that normal right now?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> damn jockey , it's flaky and should be depracated or dropped ...ppl are much better off to stop X in a tty and remove the old and install the current driver
[20:58] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, not that one for me, either.
[20:59] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, simply run apt-get install nvidia-current
[20:59] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it is under modification and will be updated soon
[20:59] <NoelJB> bjsnider, any idea why we're getting libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.
[20:59] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: already have that
[20:59] <BluesKaj> well, i hope so bjsnider , i had to do the above to rescue my setup
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but its 2D
[21:00] <bjsnider> NoelJB, negative
[21:00] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you are using an unstable distro
[21:00] <NoelJB> bjsnider, /usr/lib/GL is populated, but that libGLU is missing from wherever it was intended to come (mesa?)
[21:00] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[21:00] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355696/
[21:00] <NoelJB> I'll check on karmic ...
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Look at the jockey log and see if you have the error towards the bottom:
[21:01] <charlie-tca> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find .
[21:01] <charlie-tca> module nvidia
[21:02] <charlie-tca> It can't install because the module is missing
[21:02] <bjsnider> !find libGLU.so.1 lucid
[21:02] <BUGabundo> anyone else noticing CPUs gettting set at PERFORMANCE instead of ondemand ?
[21:03] <bjsnider> install ia32-libs
[21:03] <NoelJB> charlie-tca, yes: $  modinfo nvidia --> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia
[21:03] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:03] <BUGabundo> my system is still trying to find it
[21:03] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:03] <bjsnider> the nvidia driver doesn't install or modify that file
[21:03] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <BUGabundo> libglu1-mesa: /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070800
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1.3.070600
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <BUGabundo> libglu1-mesa: /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Then how could it be installed?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> I need the one in mesa
[21:03] <pasjr> BUGabundo: yes but I can easily change it to ondemand if I want to
[21:03] <BUGabundo> pasjr: requires ROOT
[21:04] <BUGabundo> and is bad policy or bug
[21:04] <charlie-tca> bjsnider: but the intallation fails and gives a message to check jockey.log
[21:04] <pasjr> you can add cpu scaler to your menu bar and set it that way
[21:04] <pasjr> works very well
[21:05] <pasjr> I belive it is a bug
[21:06] <BUGabundo> pasjr: I have that
[21:06] <BUGabundo> I always have it
[21:06] <BUGabundo> but last week stop working as expected
[21:06] <bjsnider> reinstall libglu1-mesa
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ie ONDEMAND
[21:07] <pasjr> remove and re-add it
[21:07] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:07] <BUGabundo> pasjr: its not the applet
[21:07] <BUGabundo> its a kernel policy
[21:07] <pasjr> what dose your lshw show with and with out
[21:08] <pasjr> the applet should fix your issue
[21:08] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the reinstall command doesn't work?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> did
[21:08] <BUGabundo> and did nothing
[21:09] <bjsnider> does ls find the file?
[21:09] <pasjr> do you have cpu scaling installed and working? it may have been removed in one of the updates
[21:09]  * BUGabundo needs and SSD
[21:09] <BUGabundo> $ mlocate libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070800
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1.3.070600
[21:09] <pasjr> some boards and cpu's have had that happen
[21:10] <BUGabundo> pasjr: listen to me: always worked! started failing last week
[21:10] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that is two different versions
[21:10] <BUGabundo> toshiba next to me with karmic is also failing now
[21:10] <bjsnider> 070800; 070600
[21:10] <BUGabundo> right
[21:11] <BUGabundo> mesa and ialibs don't match
[21:11] <pasjr> ok that tells me it is your cpu or setting in bios
[21:11] <BUGabundo> great, another bug
[21:11] <BUGabundo> or FTBFS
[21:11] <bjsnider> what if you remove ia32-libs?
[21:11] <pasjr> check your cmos battery
[21:11] <pasjr> if it is bad it will lose settings as in cpu scaling
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:12] <BUGabundo> looks safe bjsnider
[21:12] <BUGabundo> going fro it
[21:12] <BUGabundo> pasjr: are you joking ?????
[21:12] <BUGabundo> really! kernel sets it on boot via a policy
[21:12] <BUGabundo> that currentily is ONDEMAND
[21:12] <pasjr> no I had this happen on two older computers on 8.04
[21:12] <BUGabundo> it has a script to test a certain few things, and if that fails, it drops to failsafe aka performance
[21:13] <BUGabundo> seems that recently either the script or the set of tests subject it runs
[21:13] <BUGabundo> is failing on my system
[21:13] <pasjr> i dont know then with out sitting at your computer
[21:13] <BUGabundo> anyhow
[21:13] <yofel> pasjr: since Jaunty (I think) the kernel is set to performance on boot and an initscript sets it to ondemand later
[21:13] <BUGabundo> dinner is served
[21:13] <BUGabundo> bbl
[21:14] <BUGabundo> yofel: no. karmic did something diferent, I think
[21:14] <yofel> hm, he's gone
[21:14] <yofel> but the init  script is still there...
[21:14] <pasjr> I have a Toshiba A505D and I have no problems it is AMD 64bit with a  Turion ultra dual-core mobile ZM-84
[21:19] <pasjr> dumb question what is the diff between size and clock on cpu?
[21:44] <Guest60617> hola
[21:45] <Guest60617> alguien me ayuda a montar mi home encriptado?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> !spanish
[22:01] <NoelJB> bjsnider, Creating a symlink from /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> mesa/libGLU.so.1 appears to resolve the problem.
[22:02] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, ^^^^^^
[22:03] <BUGabundo> that's dangly
[22:03] <BUGabundo> when updates come
[22:03] <BUGabundo> it may get screwy
[22:06] <NoelJB> I'll post to LP later.
[22:06] <NoelJB> I need to reboot to test something.
[22:22] <CosmiChaos> Somethings wrong python-atspi is not correctly installed on my mashine, please help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355753/
[22:23] <CosmiChaos> I mean python-pyatspi
[22:27] <CosmiChaos> oh well theres already a bug open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi/+bug/506278
[22:28] <CosmiChaos> that broke half of my desktop environment
[22:33] <CosmiChaos> got the workaround
[22:47] <CosmiChaos> Guys my python is still broke, wether synaptic says it is correctly installed:
[22:48] <BUGabundo> one more try
[22:48] <BUGabundo> $ gdb --arg kmail --nofork
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[22:48] <BUGabundo> 0x00000000018db000 in ?? ()
[22:48] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[22:48] <BUGabundo> F
[22:49] <BUGabundo> guess mutt will have to do
[22:51] <bjsnider> are you a kde user?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> no
[22:54] <BUGabundo> gnome
[22:54] <BUGabundo> but I love kmail
[22:54] <BUGabundo> been using it for years
[22:54] <BUGabundo> plus TB 3.1 won't work with my accounts
[22:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: what's the best way to use X from another remote PC?
[22:55] <bjsnider> don't you have to install a bunch of kde runtime crap to use kmail?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> do we still have XMDC ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: a few, yes. worth it. believe me
[22:56] <bjsnider> just because of mailing lists?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no
[22:56] <BUGabundo> work mail mostly
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I stop reading MLs :(
[22:56] <BUGabundo> not enough time
[23:04] <NateW> my wifi isnt displaying available networks.. any ideas? or is this a known bug? (i can still connect to networks using "connect to hidden network")
[23:04] <NateW> also i dont have this problem in karmic, so it is an issue in lucid
[23:07] <genii> Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png
[23:17] <maxb> Has anyone figured out how to resuscitate Lucid on intel graphics hardware?
[23:17] <maxb> By rolling back mesa and the X server I've at least got into X, but compiz seems greatly unhappy
[23:18] <BUGabundo> me too maxb
[23:48] <maxb> hmm - adding /usr/lib/mesa to ld.so.conf seems to be an acceptable kludge for now
[23:52] <albert23> maxb: I only had to reinstall xserver-xorg-core to get X working again
[23:53] <BUGabundo> yeah known
[23:53] <maxb> Hmm. Maybe I'll dare upgrade mesa again and see if it survives, then
[23:53] <DanaG> hmm, what's the difference between linux-alsa-driver-modules-alsa-VER-generic and linux-alsa-driver-modules-VER-generic?
[23:53] <DanaG> One says "from alsa"; one says "from ubuntu"
[23:56] <bjsnider> DanaG, an extra "alsa" in the name of the former one is the difference i see


[06:48] <DFrostedWang> Do any of you know where I can get scripts to make my bot like ubottu? I know there are some things for supybot, but I have an Eggbot.
[06:48] <bazhang> need supybot for botclone of ubottu
[06:49] <DFrostedWang> Okay, I have a supybot, too. But I was just learning how it worked. Didn't want to have to use it for this. Oh well.
[06:50] <bazhang> http://ubottu.com/clone.html
[06:50] <DFrostedWang> Thanx
[06:50] <bazhang> you are welcome.
[06:51] <DFrostedWang> I need bazaar to get it?
[06:51] <bazhang> is that what the link says?
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> I think so
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> It sent me to launchpad
[06:52] <bazhang> ok, well whatever the link says.
[06:52] <IdleOne> eggdrop.org should have a list of scripts.
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> Okay then
[06:52] <bazhang> DFrostedWang, please dont idle in this channel
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> They do
[06:52] <IdleOne> remember this isn't a help channel though. you might want to try #eggdrop
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> egghelp.org/tcl.html I think
[06:52] <DFrostedWang> I am not idling
[06:53] <bazhang> DFrostedWang, its not a bot clone support channel. please dont idle here.
[06:53] <IdleOne> DFrostedWang: I think what bazhang meant to say is now that we have helped, please part the channel.
[06:53] <DFrostedWang> I was asking for help. I thought questions about the bot should go here. That is what your guidelines said. But no *buntu channel follows those. I guess I'll just leave.
 jisg: You should, if you have done anything major on Ubuntu, remaster your install and put it on USB or CD/DVD
[07:11] <bazhang> that seems odd advice
[07:29] <DJones> What is "wubuntu" ? http://wubuntu.co.cc/
[07:31] <DJones> A couple of pop up ad's on the page, but seems like the official ubuntu website apart from that
[08:34] <bazhang> DJones, yeah, I noticed that too, assumed it was Wubi and he'she had mispelled it
[08:35] <DJones> The website is registered to a "Warren Reeves" from what I can see
[08:36] <bazhang> thats odd to have the .cc address like that
[08:41] <DJones> If you click on the "Warren Reeves" link, it goes to a Suspended web page, the rest of the links (that I've tried) seem to go to official ubuntu.com pages & downloads
[08:41] <bazhang> yep
[08:43] <gnomefreak> suspended is a bad sign
[08:44] <gnomefreak> good morning guys
[08:44] <bazhang> he knows it's a bad command to give, yet gives it anyway
[08:44] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hi
 You mean Winblows/Mac?
[08:45] <bazhang> augh. just augh
[08:46] <DJones> Looking at the history of .co.cc sites, google blocked 11 million .co.cc sites from its search results due to spammers using the .co.cc sites
[08:46] <bazhang> this is where we need ikonia the most
[08:47] <bazhang> to succinctly put why it's unnecessary to use that terminology
[08:48] <gnomefreak> what channel? looks intersting
[08:48] <bazhang> DfrostedWang in #ubuntu
[08:48] <bazhang> occasionally goes by ICWeiner
[08:48] <knome> banned in #xubuntu
[08:48] <bazhang> oh right
[08:48] <knome> (iirc at least :P)
[08:49] <knome> basically for the nick issue + not listening
[08:49] <bazhang> tons of other places as well.
[08:49] <IdleOne> can't find tcl scripts for his bot and tells people to log in as root...
[08:49] <bazhang> I'll give a dangerous command, and people should *just* know not to use it, or they are idiots...or something
[08:50] <knome> just ban him.
[08:50] <bazhang> not sure I follow that logic
[08:50] <knome> i've pretty much had it with him, and i'm not sure why you are giving him any more rope
[08:50] <bazhang> if they are asking, presumably they *don't * know
[08:53]  * bkerensa would watch him longer but needs sleeps
[08:53] <bkerensa> gnight!
[08:55] <gnomefreak> good night
[08:56] <IdleOne> night
[08:56] <gnomefreak> i agree with the banning of him, nowever i havent been following his comments so i would rather someone else ban him/her
[08:56] <gnomefreak> s/noever/however
[08:57] <IdleOne> He's quiet now.
[08:57] <knome> so does people get away with breaking the rules by just going quiet right after?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> shoulnt IIHO
[08:59] <gnomefreak> IMHO
[08:59] <knome> yep
[09:00] <knome> exactly. i've noticed i do this myself too, it's too easy to just see them be quiet
[09:00] <knome> but still, they shouldn't get away with it
[09:00] <IdleOne> he didn't get away with it
[09:00] <IdleOne> he was told by 3 people at least not to do it again.
[09:01] <IdleOne> maybe it was two people..anyway he was told.
[09:01] <gnomefreak> warned 3 times or once mby 3 people?
[09:01] <IdleOne> many people after the one offence
[09:01] <gnomefreak> s/mby/by
[09:02] <IdleOne> if we are going to ban everybody who makes a mistake.  I guess ##linux can help me unmount my partition.
[11:32] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu-ops dfrostedwang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>uncooperative, foul language
[12:38] <Pici> Ah.. That was the best response to someone asking about another linux distro in #ubuntu. "<MonkeyDust> Thomas_  that's like asking your girlfriend to recommend another woman"
[12:38] <LjL> hah
[14:32] <mneptok> is asking for Windows help like asking your girlfriend for advice on the best gay bar in town>
[20:48] <bazhang> Bleach_ just seems to be making random "help" suggestions
[20:50] <bazhang> locodir-user> Is deleting system32 gonna work?
[21:27] <bazhang> barefoot138 was locodir-user
 just got back from the animal hospital


[03:34]  * craigs63 wondering what the "broken image" icon is on the top center of the http://ubuntustudio.org/ page ?
[03:35] <craigs63> I just noticed it says "logo" in the top left corner, too.
[09:55] <knome> ScottL, sure
[15:41] <cyphermox> hi, can I bring your attention to bug 844027; I'm concerned that dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests as proposed would have it drop from the ubuntustudio image; there may be a need to change the seed file
[15:42] <cyphermox> AFAICT gnome-bluetooth isn't seeded explicitly, and instead is getting pulled by network-manager-gnome; I can fix this by sending a merge request, but I just want to make sure outside of any doubt that this is what we want :)
[16:55] <scott-work> cyphermox:  i believe we chose to remove gnome-bluetooth from the seeds
[16:56] <scott-work> cyphermox: the reason was that we felt bluetooth support was not a priority and may actually be a problem for low latency audio recordings
[17:04] <scott-work> cyphermox: i presume that you are not in favour to dropping gnome-bluetooth to "suggests", however i will clarify our position in the bug report
[17:24] <scott-work> does anybody think we need to include bluetooth support by default?
[17:29] <jussi> I dont, if my opinion counts. DOnt see a major use case for it
[17:30] <GTRsdk> probably should if it isn't too big
[17:31] <scott-work> GTRsdk: some of the concern was that including bluetooth support could eat cpu cycles and affect latnecy or even cause xruns
[17:31] <GTRsdk> scott-work: okay, then it makes sense to remove it
[17:31] <scott-work> and jussi your opinion does count, quite a bit friend :)
[17:32] <knome> 7msg jussi i can agree with you too if you buy me a beer
[17:32] <knome> "oops"
[17:32] <knome> :)
[17:32] <jussi> knome: no.
[17:32] <knome> :(
[17:32] <knome> you already owe me a few!
[17:35] <scott-work> lols
[17:38] <jussi> knome: topyli's responsibility ;)
[17:40] <scott-work> knome: does that logo (ubuntustudio_v3_logo.svg) work for you?  do you need more/something else?
[17:49] <knome> scott-work, nope.
[17:49] <knome> jussi, his responsibility maybe, but it's still you both, who owe me them :)
[17:59] <cyphermox> scott-work: interesting, because gnome-bluetooth would still have been on, due to nm-applet
[18:00] <cyphermox> scott-work: I'm not not in favor of dropping it to Suggests, just don't want to break things, hence why I also asked the debian NM maintainers about this
[18:00] <scott-work> cyphermox:  which is something we were not aware of :)
[18:00] <cyphermox> if they see no issue with it, I'll drop it and all will be well. if they're against, I'll probably drop it and cry a bit when comes time to merge at the beginning of next release
[18:01] <cyphermox> :)
[18:08] <scott-work> :)  thank you


[00:58] <TheMuso> abogani: I really need to try and find some time to take a look at the low latency kernel, and see about getting it into natty.
[01:04] <ScottL> TheMuso, someone is supposed to prepare a procedure for doing that
[01:04] <ScottL> from the kernel team, hold on, i'll see if i can find who, just gotta look
[01:08] <ScottL> ah yes, TheMuso , apw is supposed to make a procedure to get kernel variants into the archives
[01:08] <ScottL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[01:08] <ScottL> i'm feeling antsy about this
[01:08] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[01:09]  * ScottL wants to keep telling people, "we're running out of time people, we're running out of time"
[01:09] <TheMuso> Heh.
[01:09] <ScottL> i have so far managed not to do it ;)
[01:10] <ScottL> i believe persia expects something within the next week or so
[01:15] <TheMuso> ok
[01:25] <persia> Rather, I have been asked to notify someone able to escalate the issue within Canonical if there remains nothing the week past next.  Next week is expected to be slower, as both the person asking me to watch the specification and the person to whom they would escalate are expected to be distracted by the Thanksgiving holiday.
[01:55] <ScottL> persia, it appears that gdebi is bringing in phonon...seems very strange
[01:55] <ScottL> however, i got interrupted as i was working on this by my kids fighting so i need to go back upstairs and confirm
[01:57] <scott__> scott@lucid-studio:~$ aptitude why phonon
[01:57] <scott__> i   gdebi-kde   Depends python-kde4 (>= 3.16.0-0ubuntu11)
[01:57] <scott__> i A python-kde4 Depends phonon (>= 4:4.5.2)
[01:57] <scott__> that's the output
[01:59] <scott__> i was going to grep the seeds and see where this is coming in
[01:59] <scott__> and it appears that the dekstop seed is adding gdebi on line 104
[02:00] <scott__> very strange that including gdebi works itself into including phonon into ubuntustudio :/
[02:04] <scott__> hmmm, it would also appear that wacom-tools package is not in the repos anymore
[02:24] <scott__> ack, silly me, actually it's the 'install-package' package that is pulling in gdebi-kde
[02:26] <scott__> bleargh, i can't figure it out, it all looks like one big circular dependency at this point
[03:24] <ScottL> hi paultag
[03:25] <persia> ScottL, Find out what pulls gdebi-kde: it may be possible to pull gdebi instead (the GNOME GUI), and still satisfy the dependencies without pulling phonon.
[03:31] <paultag> good evening there ScottL
[03:34] <scott__> persia, it seems circular according to 'aptitude why gdebi-kde'
[03:34] <scott__> it depends on phyton-kde4
[03:34] <scott__> which depends on kdebase-runtime
[03:34] <scott__> which *recommends* kubuntu-debug-installer
[03:35] <scott__> which depends on kpackagekit
[03:35] <scott__> which depends on software-properties-kde
[03:35] <scott__> which depends on install-package
[03:35] <scott__> which depends on gdebi-kde
[03:35] <scott__> my brain hurts
[03:36] <TheMuso> Afaik gdebi is going away, adn the software centre will manage deb installs from now on IIRC.
[03:37] <persia> ScottL, There's probably an entry into the circularity somewhere which could be diverted with either a package change or an alternate seeding.
[03:37] <persia> (finding it is tricky)
[03:38] <persia> I suspect the path is something like dssi-vst -> wine1.2 -> kdebase-runtime
[03:38] <persia> Once we have kdebase-runtime, keeping KDE out gets hard.
[03:38] <persia> (another potential path is lmms-vst -> wine1.2 -> kdebase-runtime)
[03:40] <persia> If my guess is correct, it can be short-circuited with seeding of gnome-exe-thumbnailer, but there may be another path (and one wonders if VST is important enough to justify shipping WINE)
[03:40] <scott__> lmms-vst is not installed
[03:40] <persia> If Studio ships software-center, it is probably easier to not ship gdebi, and let software-center handle it.
[03:41] <scott__> software-center was not being installed because of a name change (ubuntu-software-center -> software-center)
[03:41] <scott__> howerver, i have updated the seeds for that
[03:41] <persia> And you re-ran germinate, and the meta is still pulling phonon?
[03:42] <scott__> i haven't re-run anything tonight, nor pushed to bzr yet
[03:43] <scott__> i was hoping to track down some of this to try to fix it before doing that
[03:43] <scott__> however, i will be able to do so tomorrow night
[03:43] <persia> I suspect it's the software-center rename that caused the issue.
[03:44] <persia> Because software-center wasn't present, germinate grabbed alternate stuff, and ended up pulling the KDE software management stack.
[03:45] <scott__> looking in synaptic for anything kde and seeing what is installed is kinda depressing :P
[03:45] <scott__> it would certainly be worth correcting
[03:47] <persia> My recommendation when working with seeds is to make one small change, and then reinvestigate after a germinate run.
[03:48] <persia> Trying to fix several issues at the same time usually leads to confusion and extra work, although I know it feels more satisfying for most other sorts of work.
[03:48] <persia> But the output of seeds is, essentially, installed systems: it's hard to know precisely what the result of the change is without having the new output to check.
[03:49] <persia> Same as if you're debugging the simple "#! /bin/sh\necho Hello Wolrd\n", it's easier to see the bug in the output than in the input, and it's worth testing (although it's *lots* easier to test the shell script)
[03:49] <ScottL> right, i'm stopping for tonight, i'll see about pushing to bzr later tonight though
[04:03] <ScottL> persia, TheMuso , changes pushed to bzr
[04:04] <ScottL> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty
[04:05] <ScottL> check it as you will and tomorrow i'll see about updating the meta package
[04:38] <persia> ScottL, Thanks for the alert: I'll take a look in a few hours.  Note that the tasks will be updating automatically, so the next image run ought reflect a mix of the old and new.
[06:57] <TheMuso> ScottL: Worth noting that your seed changes broke the build. :)
[06:57] <TheMuso> I'll see if I can find some time on the weekend to look them over.
[12:01] <ScottL> TheMuso, oh goodie :P
[12:01] <ScottL> TheMuso, i should have the meta updated and hopefully that will fix it no?
[12:03] <ScottL> quadrispro,  i believe phasex is in debian from  http://www.sysex.net/phasex/
[12:03] <ScottL> but, my understanding is that development has stagnated
[12:04] <quadrispro> ehy ScottL, yes it is from sysex.net
[12:04] <ScottL> quadrispro, however, there is a development branch here that seems to be fairly active http://disabled.github.com/phasex-dev/
[12:04] <ScottL> although the word "disbaled" in the URL is a little bothersome
[12:05] <ScottL> but they've added lashd support among other things, so it at least seems to be more current that the sysex.net code, no?
[12:05] <quadrispro> just a moment, I'm fixing a bug in flake, getting back soon
[12:05] <ScottL> quadrispro, no rush, just wanted to pass on the information that i ran across
[12:07]  * ScottL is leaving for work, be on as scott-work in ~ 30 minutes
[12:54] <TheMuso> ScottL: no
[12:54] <TheMuso> ScottL: It appears you didn't get the syntax right somewhere, but I would need to look to be sure.
[12:54] <TheMuso> And I am aobut to go to bed.
[12:56] <quadrispro> scott-work, well, it seems up-to-date
[12:59] <scott-work> TheMuso: then i suppose i shouldn't rush to update the metapackage then
[12:59] <scott-work> quadrispro:  are you saying that the code in debian and the code for phasex-dev are the same?
[13:00] <quadrispro> no, just phasex-dev is the real upstream now
[13:00] <quadrispro> and I should get the code from that new source
[13:01] <scott-work> oh good :)
[13:01] <quadrispro> I'm working on an upload to experimental right now
[13:02] <scott-work> wow!  you move fast :P
[13:02] <quadrispro> :)
[13:02] <scott-work> it took me several weeks to only update that seeds, and i apparently still managed to break it :/
[13:04] <quadrispro> scott-work, ah! what's the problem with lmms? I've read on a cd-health check that uninstallable binaries get built :/
[13:08] <scott-work> quadrispro: i don't know...to be honest, i hadn't really looked until now
[13:08]  * scott-work had changed some gmail settings and some studio emails goes to a folder i'm not used to looking at
[13:08] <scott-work> yet
[13:09] <quadrispro> ok
[13:09] <quadrispro> 0.12.0+m1 seems a good versioning...
[13:09] <quadrispro> mmm
[13:13] <scott-work> quadrispro: it looks like lmms did build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/lmms/+builds
[13:13] <scott-work> or at least build without any obvious errors
[13:13] <quadrispro> in fact, I've uploaded it some days ago
[13:14] <scott-work> the log didn't seem to show anything untoward either, again at least in an obvious manner
[13:18] <quadrispro> scott-work, argh... upstream has included a debian/ dir!
[13:23] <scott-work> quadrispro:  is that bad because you didn't expect it or because they did it wrong?
[13:23] <quadrispro> 1) I didn't expect it
[13:23] <quadrispro> 2) they did wrong
[13:23] <quadrispro> :)
[13:24] <quadrispro> btw, it is not a real issue, maybe the new upstream doesn't know that the package is already available in Debian/Ubuntu
[13:25] <scott-work> but isn't _everything_ available in debian? ;)
[13:27] <quadrispro> almost everything :)
[13:28] <scott-work> ahck, puttoi
[13:28] <scott-work> i'm doing work here at work setting up standards
[13:28] <scott-work> because it hasn't been updated in almost fifteen years
[13:28] <scott-work> and now i'm dealing with this office and another remote office that does things completely different
[13:28] <scott-work> and it's been a very, very frustrating three months or so :(
[13:29] <scott-work> standards for the drafting/detailing/designer department, i should say
[13:34] <scott-work> and since this industry is so singular, there aren't really any industry standards to leverage
[13:34] <scott-work> so i'm also fighting a cultural momentum because "this is the way we've done stuff for years"
[13:34] <scott-work> at least i manage to get them to install mediawiki and mysql on the servers though :)
[13:34] <scott-work> yay for open source
[13:36] <quadrispro> "this is the way we've done stuff for years" -> this reminds me.... mmmm... oh yes, my country
[13:40] <scott-work> lol, but i will bend everyone to my will <insert evil laughter>
[13:41] <scott-work> i jest, but i *can* make this happen, but it just takes enormous amounts of continual effort
[13:42] <scott-work> but there is a certain amount of subduction where getting fabricated parts out the door and making money is more pressing and all these improvements get set to the side, which makes it hard to maintain momentum sometimes :/
[13:43] <quadrispro> sure, I understand
[13:44] <scott-work> but i'm done venting and i feel much better now :)
[13:45] <scott-work> boy i hope that the.muse can sort the seeds, i feel really, really bad about that ;(
[13:46] <scott-work> the email i saw that that my revision "wasn't a branch"
[13:49] <quadrispro> so we should wait for luke to fix it
[13:49]  * quadrispro has built phasex fine
[13:56] <scott-work> quadrispro:  i think luke still feels slightly responsible (being one of the most knowledgeable about the project) but it would be groovy if anyone fixed it
[13:56] <scott-work> just as long as its fixed :)
[14:02] <quadrispro> sure
[14:02] <quadrispro> scott-work, phasex has too many beautiful presets
[14:03] <scott-work> quadrispro:  were you referring to the seeds getting fixed?
[14:04] <scott-work> quadrispro:  i haven't really played with phasex, i'm not much of a synthesizer guy, although i've played a bit following some youtube tutorials
[14:05] <quadrispro> no no, I'm about to upload phasex now :) so I'm having some testing on it, and I find it wonderful
[14:05] <scott-work> you know that wasn't included in ubuntustudio until someone on  #opensourcemusicians told me about it
[14:06] <scott-work> that's the same place where i found out about the phasex-dev
[14:06] <quadrispro> ahh
[14:07] <quadrispro> scott-work, have you read my "bits from multimedia team" post?
[14:07] <scott-work> i have kept up with some of the emails, but i haven't seen your post specifically
[14:08]  * scott-work had changed several gmail settings to avoid inbox with certain email and i'm still not into a routine of checking certain folders now
[14:08] <scott-work> however, i will go look now :)
[14:09] <quadrispro> scott-work, it appeared on planet.ubuntu.com, I think
[14:09] <scott-work> quadrispro: did free post in that thread as well?
[14:10] <quadrispro> free?
[14:11] <scott-work> free ekannayaka
[14:11] <quadrispro> Ah yes, my friend free :) yep, it mailed me (and the team) about something related to fusd-kor or old Demudi packages
[14:12] <scott-work> ah, i found it here quickly with google: http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Alessio+Treglia%3A+Bits+from+the+Debian+Multimedia+Maintainers/euixn
[14:12] <quadrispro> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/11/msg00005.html
[14:12] <quadrispro> yep
[14:13] <scott-work> quadrispro:  what's you thoughts on jack sessions vs. lashd?
[14:13] <quadrispro> first point: lashd is abandoned
[14:14] <scott-work> doh, we were just pushing it into studio :/
[14:15] <quadrispro> so, we should have more and more testing on JACK-session feature before releasing any *stable*-stuff providing it
[14:15] <scott-work> argh, it is so frustrating sometimes being lead when i am sooo ignorant about stuff :(
[14:15] <quadrispro> scott-work, abandoned, but well-made and enough reliable to land to the next Debian stable
[14:16] <scott-work> well, okay...but i still feel like i'm groping in the dark sometimes
[14:16] <quadrispro> ah lol
[14:16] <quadrispro> :)
[14:16] <quadrispro> scott-work, nobody knows everything :)
[14:17] <scott-work> i think towards the end of the natty cycle i'm going to take a month off from studio and do two things:
[14:18] <scott-work> 1) record some freaking music, it's been way too long
[14:18] <scott-work> 2) maybe make a fit-on-cd, live distribution based on ubuntu for audio recording/tone generation
[14:19] <quadrispro> 1) good
[14:19] <quadrispro> 2) good :)
[14:19] <scott-work> i would like to see just what can fit on a cd and be viable
[14:19] <scott-work> plus if i can work up some tutorial videos to include with it?  that would be a pretty cool tool to give peopel
[14:20] <scott-work> think of it as a "business card" of sorts to introduce ubuntu studio to people
[14:20] <scott-work> i'll remove pulse and do it simply by using remastersys
[14:20] <scott-work> oh, "do it" means make the ISO, not remove pulse
[14:21] <quadrispro> I'd like to help you in making tutorials,screencast etc, I hope to find the time
[14:22] <scott-work> just to be pedantic, i'm using blender to make them ;)
[14:23] <scott-work> people tend to shun blender because it is intimidating, but it really rocks
[14:23] <scott-work> notklattu from #openpodcast wrote a very simplistic, direct, but thoroughly explantive tutorial for using blender for video
[14:23] <scott-work> i think of blender for video editing like CLI
[14:24] <scott-work> all the power is there is you know which key to press
[14:24] <quadrispro> eh sure
[14:25] <quadrispro> i have never used blender :/
[14:26] <quadrispro> but I will take a look at it some day
[14:26] <quadrispro> scott-work, "Processing of phasex_0.12.0+m1-1_amd64.changes"
[14:27] <quadrispro> will join the archives in the next few minutes
[14:27] <scott-work> quadrispro: yay, thank you quadrispro, you are a HUGE help and i really don't have a clue how we would have made such progress without you
[14:44] <quadrispro> sorry, I'm back
[14:47] <quadrispro> :) thank you, but I've just given my contribution
[14:52] <quadrispro> guys, I have to leave
[14:52] <quadrispro> see you later1
[14:52] <quadrispro> !
[14:52] <quadrispro> bye scott-work !
[14:53] <scott-work> bye quadrispro
[20:39] <TheMuso> scott-work: If someone hasn't looked at the seeds already, I'll take a peak.
[20:45] <TheMuso> Oh Colin fixed it up.
[20:46] <scott-work> TheMuso: that's sort of bitter sweet because I wanted to learn what the problem was, however i am glad it is fixed
[20:46] <TheMuso> scott-work: Just look at the latest revision of the repo.
[20:48] <scott-work> heh, was doing that
[20:48] <scott-work> TheMuso: and i also did a facepalm when i saw the change!
[20:48] <TheMuso> heh
[20:49] <scott-work> i can't believe i didn't do that :/   it's so bleedin' obvious now
[20:50] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[20:50] <TheMuso> I might take a look at lmms in any case.
[20:50] <TheMuso> See hy its broken.
[20:51] <TheMuso> why
[20:51] <scott-work> quadrispro said he fixed it and uploaded already
[20:51] <TheMuso> oh ok then great.
[20:51] <scott-work> said that upstream added a /debian directory thathe didn't expect plus they did it wrong :P
[20:51] <TheMuso> heh right.
[20:51] <scott-work> hopefully tomorrow we can look at the logs and see if the kde packages are gone :)
[20:52] <scott-work> and i should also update the meta package tonight or earlly tomorrow morning
[20:52] <scott-work> per.sia said for me to create a debdiff, report a bug, attach the debdiff, and subscribe him to the bug for updating the metapackage
[20:54] <scott-work> TheMuso: oh, i should wait until the seeds re-germinate before i try to ./update the metapackage, shouldn't i?
[20:55] <TheMuso> scott-work: No, once your changes are in bzr, you can go straight ahead with the metapackage.
[20:56] <TheMuso> scott-work: What changes do you need to make to the metapackage, or is it just a refresh?
[20:56] <scott-work> TheMuso: but then i shouldn't use 'apt-get source ubuntustudio-meta' to get my code
[20:57] <scott-work> TheMuso: just a refresh
[20:57] <TheMuso> scott-work: ubuntustudio-meta is not in bzr.
[20:57] <TheMuso> scott-work: To get a fresh copy of ubuntustudio-meta use apt-get source in natty.
[20:58] <TheMuso> scott-work: If its just a refresh, then I am happy to take care of it for you, unless you really want the experience of doing it for yourself.
[21:00] <scott-work> TheMuso: "ubuntustudio-meta is not in bzr" when per.sia was walking through this before, this was a question/answer area that apparently got confused
[21:00] <scott-work> ultimate i used apt-get source because i'm more familiar with it anyways
[21:01] <TheMuso> Right
[21:01] <scott-work> TheMuso: but also i need to udpate the control file to make an 'ubuntustudio-audio' transition package since we are removing the audio seed, at least until the next LTS version
[21:01] <TheMuso> Ok.
[21:01] <TheMuso> So its not just a refres.
[21:01] <TheMuso> not just a refresh
[21:02] <scott-work> yes, that is correct, which i realized after i reference my notes
[21:02] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Update%20ubuntustudio-meta
[21:02] <TheMuso> ok
[21:04] <TheMuso> scott-work: When you have things complete, feel free to ping me also with the bug, and I am happy to attend to it if nobody else has by that time.
[21:04] <TheMuso> i.e when I see the bug number.
[21:05] <scott-work> TheMuso:  so tonight i can complete my natty install (from a previously downloaded daily image), apt-get source, moderate the control file, and ./update, even though the seeds have not regerminated?
[21:06] <TheMuso> scott-work: Seed germination for the disk build is different to germination for the metapackage update.
[21:07] <TheMuso> Or should I say, independant of each other.
[21:07] <TheMuso> So germination of the seeds for the disk build is not required to update the metapackage. Once you update bzr, you can update the metapackage as soon as your bzr changes are pushed.
[21:07] <scott-work> but the ./update will read the seeds, correct?
[21:08] <scott-work> so as long as bzr is current it will be okay?
[21:08] <TheMuso> Yes.
[21:08] <scott-work> cool :)   i'm starting get it sorted in my head
[21:09] <scott-work> the seeds in bzr control both, and both are independent of each other...seems straightforward now
[21:09] <TheMuso> Yep.
[21:10] <TheMuso> But germinating the seeds on the build pulls in teh binary packages built from the source metapackage.
[21:10] <TheMuso> So thats why the metapackage names have to be mentioned in their own seed file.
[21:16] <scott-work> TheMuso: just to make you aware, i replace gnome-network-admin with network-manager-gnome in the seeds
[21:16] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[21:16] <TheMuso> Its not up to me, but why?
[21:17] <scott-work> chris coulsan made a patch so that connection tab was available in network-admin, but users were still complaining that it was very tedious and difficult to make network connections that were not wired to DHCP
[21:24] <scott-work> TheMuso:  it appears that the package "xorg-driver-fglrx" was a transition package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.723.1-0ubuntu5
[21:24] <scott-work> should we ship the package "fglrx" instead?
[21:24] <scott-work> xorg-driver-fglrx was included in the ship seed
[21:25] <TheMuso> Yes, if its a transition package, we should change to the new package.
[21:25] <TheMuso> bbs breakfast.
[21:25] <scott-work> i will note that for a later update
[22:10] <TheMuso> back
[22:14] <scott-work> thank you for your help TheMuso, i appreciate it
[22:14] <TheMuso> np


[00:18] <kiko> siretart, ping :)
[02:38] <effie_jayx> hello all... is this a bug? https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/254083/+index
[02:38] <effie_jayx> ahhh
[04:14] <RAOF> If I had a .pot file in bzr in a launchpad-hosted tree, rosetta wouldn't pick that up, right?
[04:17] <kiko> RAOF, not yet, but it's a feature we will be working on this year
[04:17] <RAOF> Oh, cool.
[04:18] <RAOF> I'm not entirely sure how rosetta (and i18n in general) is meant to work, but that would be useful.
[06:07] <Anubias> any ubuntu stuff here?
[06:10] <Anubias> any body can help me?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> you probably want #ubuntu
[06:19] <Anubias> ok thanks
[10:53] <Hobbsee> is staging supposed to be dead?
[10:54] <RAOF> Hobbsee: It's not quite dead.  I saw its toe move a while ago.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> it's pushing up the daisies here.
[10:55]  * Hobbsee ponders the dead parrot sketch for some inspiration.
[10:56] <RAOF> There!  It moved!
[10:56] <Hobbsee> tjat
[10:56] <Hobbsee> that's because you bashed it!
[10:58]  * RAOF thinks that's far enough.
[10:58] <RAOF> So, when is soyuz going to be able to accept source packages in zip form? :X
[10:58]  * RAOF curses the name of Google.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> never?
[11:00] <RAOF> Right.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> well, all i can say is that hte problem is clearly not intermittant.
[11:01] <RAOF> It has been for me.
[11:01] <RAOF> Well, it's been up and down today, but now looks pretty down.
[11:13] <wgrant> I guess their debugging attempts failed.
[11:24] <geser> Hobbsee: IIRC the new dpkg source format (3.0) should support .tar.bz2 and also .zip, so it depends when that format gets ready for use and when soyuz will accept such source package
[11:26] <wgrant> 1.0 also supports .tar.bz2 - but neither Soyuz nor dak do.
[11:27] <geser> wgrant: for source packages? are you sure?
[11:27] <RAOF> geser: I knew 3.0 supported .tar.bz2, I didn't know it supported .zip.  Nifty.
[11:30] <wgrant> Bug #225151
[11:31] <geser> RAOF: I just checked the dpkg-source man page and didn't find .zip explicitly mentioned :( but perhaps the 3.0 (custom) format can handle it
[11:31] <RAOF> Eh, I need to repack to remove a hojilion unbuilt binaries anyway.
[11:36] <geser> wgrant: interesting, and it was a format 1.0 source package? because the man-page for dpkg-source mentions for 1.0 only .orig.tar.gz
[11:38] <wgrant> geser: It seems you're right - the source only mentions tar.gz.
[12:10] <andrea-bs> Hello! I get "Please try again" on staging :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> andrea-bs: yeah, it's broken
[12:26] <andrea-bs> Hobbsee: it's difficult to test something broken
[12:27] <Hobbsee> andrea-bs: indeed.  i've just sent mail.
[14:08] <tacone> is it possible to delete bugs or bug comments from a project you own ?
[14:09] <andrea-bs> tacone: no, without the help of a LP administrator
[14:10] <tacone> too bad :(
[14:11] <tacone> andrea-bs: is that true for attachments as well ?
[14:12] <andrea-bs> tacone: I think that attachments can be removed, but I'm not sure, let me check
[14:12] <tacone> thanks andrea-bs
[14:14] <tacone> andrea-bs: seems like you can
[14:14] <tacone> nice
[14:14] <andrea-bs> great
[14:14] <andrea-bs> I was trying on dogfood, but it is sloooooow
[14:15] <tacone> thank you, see you.
[14:33] <stani> is there a way to link to a latest version of a source file which code is on launchpad?
[14:34] <stani> if I browse there is always the revision number in the link, something like -1 seems not possible
[15:00] <thekorn> stani, annotate/head:/
[15:00] <thekorn> so for example: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome-terminator/terminator/trunk/annotate/head:/README
[15:16]  * ToyKeeper sees "anyone can still created their own" on https://edge.launchpad.net/+tour/branch-hosting-tracking
[15:27] <acemtp> hi chaps
[15:43] <Mez> how do I add a blocker on a bug
[15:44] <Mez> Bug X is blocking Bug Y/ Bug Y is blocked by bug X)
[15:46] <Mez> or is that not possible in LP (I'm sure it used to !)
[15:47] <Hobbsee> i don't think that was ever possible.
[15:48] <Hobbsee> it was for specs, but i never saw it for bugs.
[15:48] <persia> Mez: There's been a few ML threads about it which seem to indicate it's not possible for bugs.  There's some blocking/dependencies for blueprints, which might be what you remember
[15:48] <Mez> ah ok...
[15:48] <Mez> :(
[15:48] <persia> (or "Yeah, what Hobsee said, only more so" :) )
[15:48] <Mez> Damned people breaking stuff
[15:49]  * Hobbsee beats persia
[15:50] <Hobbsee> epic fail @ nick completion.
[16:07] <ace> on the website, they said : "Note: if you want to use Launchpad for a project that doesn't meet these licensing guidelines, please contact us. ". Do you know any project that doesn't meet thses licensing?
[16:17] <ace> https://staging.launchpad.net/ seems not working
[16:40] <ace> hum, quite idle
[16:40] <ace> is it possible to add some svn hook on launchpad?
[16:41] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[16:41] <ace> lol
[16:41] <Hobbsee> and yes, staging is dead.
[16:41] <ace> it wasn't a problem
[16:41] <Hobbsee> for some reason
[16:41] <ace> just a remark
[16:41] <Hobbsee> no problem
[16:42]  * Hobbsee --> bed (it's 2am!)
[16:42] <ace> good night :)
[16:54] <Rafik> hello
[16:54] <Rafik> https://staging.launchpad.net/ is not working ^^
[16:59] <andrea-bs> Rafik: Yes, but unfortunately there are no admins around. If you need to test something, use dogfood.launchpad.net
[16:59] <Rafik> andrea-bs, Thanks.
[17:02] <AnAnt> Hello, I was told that bug 207625 will be solved in August release, when is that ?
[17:03] <persia> AnAnt: It usually seems to be about three weeks into the month, although I may be mistaken.
[17:03] <AnAnt> persia: you mean after 3 weeks ?
[17:04] <persia> AnAnt: I'm guessing: I really don't specifically know.
[17:52] <nycerine> staging is still down.
[17:59] <nycerine> hmm, how do you get the "contributors" string that launchpad automaticly fills in into your project?
[18:48] <\sh> moins
[18:48] <\sh> guys, thx for putting the lib on bazaar ;)
[20:11] <jmarsden> https://staging.launchpad.net/ appears to be down.  This makes it had to test it further this weekend as was requested... do relevant LaunchPad admins know of this?
[21:00] <beuno> elmo, ping?  staging has been dead for ages now.  I have no idea who's "on call"  :)
[21:14] <kiko> beuno, I smsed herb to see if he can check
[21:25] <beuno> kiko, cool.  I forgot you're always here  :p
[21:30] <\sh> oh kiko is still awake ;-)
[21:31] <\sh> kiko: sorry, to not come back tomorrow, but RL had prio one :) so if we can talk now, I'm glad :)
[22:59] <jmarsden> Any progress regarding: https://staging.launchpad.net/ appears to be down.  This makes it had to test it further this weekend as was requested... do relevant LaunchPad admins know of this?
[23:02] <Rafik> jmarsden, they do.
[23:07] <jmarsden> Rafik: OK... thanks.
[23:08] <Rafik> jmarsden, yw


 I am really stupid^^
 stupid mythbuntu angers me
[02:17] <tgm4883> nice
[03:05] <darthanubis> right
[14:31] <CyberKnet> superm1: I found the problem - it was recording at 480x480 and that apparently is a semi-known-problem for pvr-500 in linux
[14:31] <CyberKnet> superm1: changed the resolution to 720x480 and it records just fine.
[14:46] <rhpot1991> CyberKnet: plus now everything will look better
[14:53] <CyberKnet> rhpot1991: I did not increase the bitrate
[14:53] <rhpot1991> CyberKnet: no, but your are recording at a better resolution
[14:53] <CyberKnet> pushing almost twice the number of pixels per second into the same number of bits per second...
[15:04] <ActiVision> Does Mythbuntu support sound over DVI to HDMI with a radeon 3xxx?
[15:04] <superm1> sound over DVI isn't possible I thought
[15:05] <superm1> none of those pins are allocated for sound
[15:05] <ActiVision> I know
[15:05] <ActiVision> But ATI can do magic
[15:05] <rhpot1991> superm1: some of the ati cards have sound chips on them
[15:06] <rhpot1991> then it just pushes sound out of a modified dvi port that you put a hdmi converter on
[15:06] <superm1> then why didn't they just add an HDMI port; avoid all this confusion :)
[15:06] <rhpot1991> nvidia does the same thing, but you gotta wire it up to your mobo
[15:06] <ActiVision> They are now
[15:06] <ActiVision> Both suck anyways
[15:07] <superm1> ActiVision, well so if it's gonna work, then you'll have one of two options:
[15:07] <ActiVision> But is it possible with ATI's drivers?
[15:07] <superm1> 1) check /proc/asound/cards
[15:07] <superm1> and see if there are multiple cards listed
[15:07] <superm1> one of them may represent your ATI card
[15:07] <rhpot1991> ActiVision: that I'm not sure about, I know some cards themselve can do it, not sure if its supported in linux
[15:07] <superm1> 2) check alsamixer (or the xfce equivalent) for an SPDIF switch
[15:07] <superm1> it's supported on a lot of ATI hardware, but not all
[15:09] <ActiVision> Any way to do that without installing Mythbuntu?
[15:10] <superm1> you can do that all from a live cd
[15:19] <Activated> Allright
[15:21] <Activated> It can't boot...
[15:22] <Activated> My TV is u
[15:22] <Activated> just flashing the input info
[15:25] <Activated> There it is
[15:27] <Activated> Okay, this proc/asound/cards, where do I find it?
[15:39] <superm1> it's a file
[15:39] <superm1> open a terminal, and look for it
[15:40] <mrand> Or you can use the file manager.  In the /proc/asound directory
[15:40] <superm1> Yeah
[15:40] <mishehu> superm1: I'm sorry, I forgot.  did you say that lirc 0.8.6 is going to be rolled into 9.10 ?
[15:40] <superm1> not sure yet
[15:42] <mrand> Doesn't it look unlikely this late in the game, and how long it has waited uncommented on?  Bug #432678
[15:42] <Zinn> Bug 432678 in lirc (Ubuntu) "Please update LIRC to 0.8.6" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/432678
[15:43] <mishehu> well I'm not sure if my remote's issue is some sort of bug in the current lirc in 9.04.
[15:44] <mrand> mishehu: minor hope that 0.8.5 (currently in 9.10) fixes it for you
[15:45] <Activated> And where is proc/ located?
[15:45] <mrand> It is /proc
[15:46] <mrand> Go to the top of your file system... root
[15:48] <mrand> Activated: actually, you can't use a file browser to see it.  Sorry.  YOu need to open a terminal window/shell and type  "cat /proc/asound/cards"
[15:49] <mishehu> mrand: hope so, I've got a pinnacle media center remote that is said to be supported by lirc_mceusb2, and indeed it auotloads that module when I plug it in, but for some reason it doens't register any keypresses.
[15:51] <Activated> It says "HDA ATI HDMI", so where can I test the sound? I can't get my mp3's working (surprisingly..)
[16:03] <wombo> I really do hope lirc 0.8.6 does get rolled in, it will save quite a few threads in the forum with people asking questions
[16:05] <superm1> Activated, so that means it's a separate card
[16:05] <superm1> if you can disable your onboard, it should just work through that
[16:05] <superm1> if not, then you have to specify it with any test app
[16:05] <Activated> I can take it out
[16:17] <Activated> OK it's out, what now? Should it work?
[16:22] <Activated> VLC can't see my USB stick... wtf
[16:23] <mishehu> that would suggest that the entire system can't see your usb stick
[16:24] <mishehu> tgm4883: hah!  you guys are a day late!
[16:25] <tgm4883> !stab mishehu
[16:25]  * Zinn stabs mishehu with a rusty spork.
[16:26] <tgm4883> no, the topic is a day late
[16:27] <Activated> I would still like to find out if the sound is working, though
[16:27] <sidh> greetings gentlemen
[16:28] <sidh> i would like to know if mythbuntu has good support for this 2 device ?
[16:28] <sidh> 1/hauppauge nova TD 500
[16:28] <sidh> 2/antec veris elite LCD/IR receiver (with remote)
[16:38] <Activated> If it's not possible just tell me..
[16:40] <superm1> Activated, you should be able to just try to open a file in VLC or similar
[16:41] <Activated> Yeah there's no sound
[16:41] <sidh> as my HTPC has no cd/dvd drive, i use unetbootin to create a flash drive to boot for install
[16:41] <superm1> Activated, check in the mixer
[16:41] <superm1> for an IEC958 option or SPDIF
[16:41] <sidh> but as i finished the unetbootin process, it asks me for rebooting my laptop, why ?
[16:41] <superm1> you might have to check it
[16:42] <superm1> sidh, you can also use usb-creator instead of unetbootin if that doesnt work
[16:42] <superm1> usb-creator is the supported method for ubuntu iso's -> usb sticks
[16:42] <sidh> i just want to have a live usb mythbuntu
[16:42] <Activated> Still nothing
[16:42] <sidh> ok i aptitude install it
[16:45] <Activated> How do I become a superuser when it's asking for a password and I never entered one??
[16:47] <mrand> It is your password
[16:47] <mrand> You are in the super user group, so you can become one with your own password
[16:47] <superm1> well on the live disk, just press enter
[16:47] <superm1> there is no password set
[16:47] <Activated> Still fails
[16:47] <superm1> sudo -s can get you a root shell
[16:48] <superm1> but su is disabled
[16:50] <Activated> I'm trying to install the ATI driver but it says I need to be a super-user...
[16:51] <Activated> Which apperantly I can't become?
[16:52] <superm1> you cant install fglrx on the live disk
[16:52] <superm1> you have to do a full install for it
[16:53] <Activated> Is fclrx the one from ATI's site?
[16:57] <superm1> its in the hardware drivers tool and ati's site
[16:59] <Activated> So I guess there's nothing more to do
[17:00] <superm1> well were you testing 9.10 or 9.04?
[17:00] <superm1> 9.10 beta could possibly do better than 9.04
[17:02] <Activated> I'm not really confedent with using a beta OS on my HTPC
[17:02] <Activated> confident?
[17:03] <Activated> Well, back to winxp I guenn
[17:06] <superm1> you can always dual boot too
[17:07] <Activated> Why would I want to boot into an OS with no sound?
[17:15] <sidh> superm1: i used usb-creator to create a mythbuntu flsah drive
[17:16] <sidh> everything seems to happes ok for create the drive , but when i boot it, i get a "boot error" message
[17:19] <sidh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/277903  <- will try
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14]  * Zinn betrays tgm4883 and stabs them in the eye.
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a sharpened mce remote.
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a sharpened mce remote.
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:14] <tgm4883> !stab rhpot1991
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15] <tgm4883> like that?
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:15]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a sharpened mce remote.
[19:16]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[19:16]  * Zinn stabs rhpot1991 with a rusty spork.
[22:02] <ToeBee> sidh: thanks for posting that launchpad URL. I've been having problems with USB booting but I thought it might be my bios!


[05:38] <mapp> rainng again ugh
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:17] <directhex> BT DNS is down
[09:18] <brobostigon> yes, i cant connect to my vps using ipv4, but using ipv6 works fine.
[10:04] <foobarry> DJones: dailymail predicts misery! it cannot be!
[10:18] <popey> pip pip
[10:41] <evaty> hi
[10:41] <evaty> someone can help me with github
[10:57] <foobarry> what is it evaty
[10:57] <foobarry> your question?
[10:58] <foobarry> need to find someone who wants our altix 350 SMP
[11:01] <foobarry> got a rack full of 'em
[16:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[17:40]  * penguin42 presses the button that's supposed to get me more bandwidth from Virigin for free
[17:45]  * MartijnVdS watches penguin42 on 14k4
[17:46]  * penguin42 whistles fast
[18:18] <gebbione> any reasons why ubuntu makes a huge effort to be friendly in loading and using cd/dvds? same media on other os just load like a charm
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> gebbione: I don't understand your question
[18:30] <nigelb> you mean doesn't?
[21:49] <gebbione> MartijnVdS, nigelb  not a question and on my ubuntu at least i had to create /media/cdrom0 where by default it tries to mount cds and dvds. It is just frustrating the fact that it is not clever enough to create the folder and just fails/errors
[21:57] <penguin42> gebbione: That shouldn't happen
[21:58] <penguin42> gebbione: It should automount stuff under /media/username I think
[22:05] <gebbione> not doing this for me, i have everything mounted under /media
[22:06] <gebbione> not sure if it is my version 12.04 TLS
[22:06] <gebbione> LTS
[22:08] <penguin42> oh hmm, not tried 12.04 for a while - but it should automount
[22:09] <penguin42> do you have multiple CDROM drives by any chance?
[22:10] <penguin42> I just remember seeing a bug a while ago with multiple drives


[08:46] <pstolowski> cimi, morning!
[09:06] <cimi> pstolowski, morning
[09:10] <pstolowski> cimi, hey, ok to rename 'social attributes' to 'social actions' ?
[09:10] <cimi> pstolowski, definitely
[09:10] <pstolowski> cimi, btw i've branches mostly ready (minus renaming) in case you missed LP emails
[09:11] <cimi> pstolowski, I did miss them indeed
[09:11] <pstolowski> cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-scopes-shell/social-attributes/+merge/287808
[09:11] <pstolowski> cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-api/social-attributes-role/+merge/287802
[09:12] <cimi> pstolowski, thanks a lot, I agree with the change to action, we might have other "actions" one day - internally I also chose "action" as signal name to pass from cards to the dash for the very same reason
[09:16] <pstolowski> cimi, okay. the internal names are not so critical, we can always change them, but "social_actions" will stay for good once public
[09:54] <pstolowski> cimi, renamed
[15:28] <mterry> josharenson, heyo, how do I best test this autopilot fix?  I remember running into problems last time I ran autopilot tests on the phone
[15:29] <josharenson> mterry: I was using some of the ubuntu-keyboard autopilot tests to test it... They would fail before the fix and pass after
[15:30] <mterry> josharenson, just using phablet-test-run?
[15:31]  * Saviq not sure if p-t-r is in a good state these days
[15:31] <josharenson> mterry: that should work. I was just running them directly on the device (ssh + autopilot3 <test.name>)
[15:31] <mterry> josharenson, ok easy enough
[15:31] <mterry> Saviq, yeah  :(
[16:16] <Mirv> Saviq: hmm, why you have pushed stuff directly to lp:unity8, making https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/076 look like it does while it's in testing?
[16:17] <Saviq> Mirv, uh?
[16:17] <Saviq> Mirv, sorry, wrong branch, /me undoes
[16:18] <Mirv> ok, thanks
[16:18] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks for noticing
[16:19] <Mirv> now looks good :)
[16:30] <Saviq> @unity: please update your cards in trello
[16:31] <mterry> bregma, I want to investigate the failure you saw with qtmir launching libertine apps.  Are there current instructions on how to setup a phone with libertine packages and scuh?
[16:31] <mterry> such
[16:31] <mterry> bregma, oh actually, the failure you saw was with normal launches, wasn't it.  nm then I guess
[20:20] <Saviq> mterry, hey, do you know your ways around cross-build deps and multiarch?
[20:21] <mterry> Saviq, I've messed with it a bit, but not an expert
[20:21] <mterry> Saviq, what you got?
[20:21] <Saviq> mterry, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-2-binpkg/781/
[20:22] <Saviq> mterry, Depends: doxyqml:armhf but it is not installable
[20:22] <Saviq> mterry, doxyqml is Arch: all
[20:22] <Saviq> but it pulls in python, so that's where it breaks most likely
[20:22] <Saviq> what's interesting is it works on vivid
[20:23] <mterry> hm
[20:24] <mterry> Saviq, yeah I'm guessing that python3-setuptools:armhf is the real culprit
[20:25] <mterry> Or at least half of the culprit..
[20:25] <mterry> it and doxyqml are marked as uninstallable
[20:25] <Saviq> oh indeed missed that
[20:26] <Saviq> but then, it might just be the same problem
[20:26] <Saviq> rather than either being to blame\
[20:26] <mterry> Saviq, fiar
[20:26] <mterry> fair
[20:26] <mterry> something with python
[20:26] <Saviq> mterry, doxyqml has "Depends: python (>= 2.7), python (<< 2.8), doxygen"
[20:27] <mterry> Saviq, I've found those apt-get messages aren't super helpful.  Usually I need to chase it with "apt-get install doxyqml" and see what complains.  Then iterate
[20:27]  * Saviq tries in amd64-armhf
[20:29] <Saviq> mterry, hmm or maybe just a red herring?
[20:29] <mterry> Saviq, it installed?
[20:30] <Saviq> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15276195/
[20:30] <mterry> Saviq, might need to try to install the same set of packages.  Might be a conflicting one in the builder
[20:30] <mterry> ah
[20:36] <Saviq> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15276232/
[20:37] <Saviq> either install fine separately, but can't install together
[20:37] <mterry> Saviq, libboost couldn't install because of g++
[20:37] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, but libboost alone installs fine
[20:37] <mterry> Saviq, are there incompatible versions of g++ requested?  (I didn't think that was possible, but maybe with cross building...)
[20:38] <Saviq> could be
[20:39] <Saviq> aha
[20:40] <Saviq> mterry, there we go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15276258/
[20:40] <Saviq> I think it's the left-over dep on g++:native on unity-api
[20:41] <Saviq> we've been doing away with those weren't
[20:41] <Saviq> we
[20:41] <Saviq> hmm no, dummy, that's B-D
[20:43] <Saviq> yeah it's boost
[20:43] <Saviq> not sure that's expected
[20:43] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15276286/
[20:44] <Saviq> grumble
[20:46] <Saviq> libboost-dev has "Depends: g++ (>= 4:5-0), g++-5 (>= 5.2.1-11), libstdc++-5-dev (>= 5.2.1-11), libboost1.58-dev"
[20:46] <Saviq> I think those should be :native
[20:52]  * Saviq tries
[21:01] <Saviq> or not, :native is not a thing ¿?
[21:05] <Saviq> mterry, anyway, filed bug #1552914
[21:05] <Saviq> let's see where that gets us
[21:06] <mterry> Saviq, doko might be able to help with what's expected there
[21:06] <Saviq> mterry, yup
[21:06] <Saviq> mterry, especially since https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/boost-defaults/wily/revision/15
[21:07] <mterry> heh
[21:07] <Saviq> the worrying thing is that got uploaded in June last year
[21:07] <Saviq> so either no one is cross building anything any more
[21:07] <Saviq> or it's actually not an issue
[21:08] <Saviq> or rather not supported or something
[21:08] <Saviq> either case ;(
[23:25] <josharenson> what devices support windowed mode?


[18:23] <sforshee> mlankhorst: do you still have that macbook? mjg59 has some new switcheroo patches you might want to try out: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/retina_patches/
[22:07] <tomreyn> is radeon DPM enabled by default in 14.04 ?
[22:35] <mlankhorst> sforshee: sure


[19:26] <doctormo> pleia2: The sysadmin class is going well, but trying to edit the materials is proving to be quite dificult.
[19:27] <doctormo> pleia2: While we have a good ideal format, we don't have good editing tools at all.
[19:27] <doctormo> I wonder how the manual it doing it.
[19:27] <pleia2> doctormo: the asciidoc?
[19:27] <pleia2> they're putting everything in latex and converting to docbook
[19:28] <pleia2> but it might be worthwhile to have a chat with benjamin about specifics
[19:28] <pleia2> doctormo: will you be at uds?
[19:32] <doctormo> I will
[19:32] <doctormo> So will ben
[19:34] <pleia2> yay :)
[20:17] <doctormo> pleia2: will you?
[20:18] <pleia2> yep!
[21:04] <doctormo> Brilliant. :-D
[21:04] <doctormo> We can have a who-down
[22:30] <pleia2> should be some doc people there too, hoping to hunker down with them a bit
[22:31] <pleia2> hopefully work on more collaboration and sort out the bad blood (mostly that exists between -manual and -docs)


[18:57] <eFfeM> hi, want to drop a short bug report here (I do not have  a launchpad account); on this (immuble) wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP  the installation instructions for natty headless actually point ot the oneiric instructions
[18:57] <eFfeM> near the end of the page)
[19:06] <tormod> eFfeM, the "11.10" page says "(note: for 11.04 download images from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ . They are called headless instead of server, so the files have different names, but otherwise all instructions below are valid "
[20:39] <Sage> Hi, should the 11.10 images available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz work out of the box on Blaze?
[21:24] <b-man`> hello guys - I've been working on a port of Ubuntu 12.04 (linaro) to the HP TouchPad, and so far I've been quite successful (boots to desktop, touch screen works, ect) but when I try to start unity with hardware acceleration (by borrowing the Adreno 220 libs from webos, which are built against standard GNU/Linux libraries and should work) Unity 2d is crashing. Could anyone tell me how I can troubleshoot unity to see what is going wrong?


[04:47] <TheLordOfTime> anyone on the backports team alive and willing to look at two backport requests (one depends on the other0
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <geser> good morning dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:09] <geser> dholbach: http://gegen-den-strich.com/428.html
[08:10] <dholbach> HAHAHA
[08:10]  * dholbach hugs geser
[08:33] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, geser
[08:33] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[08:35] <ajmitch> how have those hangouts been going?
[08:53] <geser> Hi ajmitch
[18:12] <jtaylor> someone know if universe/main will continue to be separated for raring?
[18:13] <ScottK> Nothing is likely to change.
[18:29] <xnox> jtaylor: what is your complete question for asking that? Do you have a question about what will happen after archive reorganisation?
[18:38] <alo21> hi
[18:39] <alo21> I have a doubt about how to fill in changelog in a merge...
[18:39] <alo21> If I make some changes, have I to write what I did in the changelog?
[18:40] <tumbleweed> you always should, yes
[18:40] <alo21> tumbleweed, I had a lot of changes
[18:41] <ScottK> You have to document them all.
[18:41] <jtaylor> xnox: I was told after the reorg we do not have to split source packages anymore
[18:41] <xnox> jtaylor: correct.
[18:41] <ScottK> We don't actually have very many of those.
[18:42] <alo21> tumbleweed, for example I edited Makefile, so I should write  - edit makefie
[18:42] <xnox> jtaylor: but we are not there yet.
[18:42] <tumbleweed> alo21: that wouldn't be a vary useful changelog entry
[18:42] <tumbleweed> alo21: you explain what you did, and why
[18:44] <alo21> tumbleweed, I am under a voice 'remaining changes'...
[18:46] <alo21> but I have made new changes, so I suppose I have to write that changes (new one), after and not under 'remaining changes'. Right?
[18:47] <tumbleweed> correct
[18:50] <alo21> tumbleweed, for example as here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1413044/
[18:50] <alo21> tumbleweed, notice that without the patch (mentioned in changelog), the build fails
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> i think 'Added new patch' should be 'Added new patch to fix [issue]'
[18:52] <TheLordOfTime> so people know what the patch does
[18:52] <TheLordOfTime> just my two cents ;)
[18:53] <TheLordOfTime> (as a bugs triager, if the given patch introduces a regression, which sometimes happens, its easy to trace what patch(es) cause the issues, then, when the changelog identifies what the "new" patch does.)
[18:53] <alo21> TheLordOfTime, for example the pace is used to build the package on ubuntu only. My deal is: have that entry be a part the 'remaining change', or not?
[18:54] <alo21> the patch has been created now (by me) to build the package
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> if what you said there is the changelog... and the patch is new, i'm not certain it goes under "remaining changes" because its newly introduced
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed'd know more though, i usually don't handle merges ;P
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> in fact, i don't normally.  :P
[18:55]  * TheLordOfTime was commenting on the lack of a specific description in your statement about a new patch
[18:55] <alo21> ok thanks anyway
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> But if i may interpret tumbleweed here, when he said this is correct: <alo21> but I have made new changes, so I suppose I have to write that changes (new one), after and not under 'remaining changes'. Right?
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> I think its safe to assume he means "Yes, it goes after remaining changes, and not a part of remaining changes"
[18:57] <TheLordOfTime> but that's only based on my observations here and my interpretation, which may be wrong ;P
[18:58] <alo21> seems to be the most reasonable behaviour
[19:02] <alo21> done!