[02:09] <fffff> oi
[02:09] <fffff> hi
[02:24] <fffff_> ola
[02:24] <fffff_> alguem ai
[02:24] <fffff_> ?
[04:48] <Maxpm> I'm using a 3rd-party package, https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge-deb, that depends on Node (https://github.com/nodesource/distributions). Is there a way to have its daemon automatically restart whenever apt updates Node? Does this kind of thing require modifying the .deb packages?
[07:41] <loswedseded> what am I supposed to do if, when copying a 7GiB file to a ssd, the file manager simply stops transferring information? I still see the progress bar stuck at 57%
[07:41] <loswedseded> thunar with ubuntu 23.04
[07:42] <loswedseded> 3 minutes so far
[07:43] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: check the recent thunar bugs here plz; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[07:43] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: might be handy to launch thunar from terminal, maybe to catch errors and share them here with volunteers
[07:44] <Uthman> that ssd has fat32 partition?
[07:45] <loswedseded> ext4
[07:45] <Uthman> can you use cp from terminal?
[07:52] <loswedseded> cp command transfers at 1MiB per second
[07:52] <lotuspsychj3> smells like a thunar bug to me loswedseded
[07:53] <Uthman> is this ssd device external?
[07:53] <loswedseded> dammit
[07:53] <loswedseded> yes
[07:53] <loswedseded> usb3
[07:54] <Uthman> do you have a spare data cable?
[07:54] <loswedseded> yesterday it transfered at 800 MiB per second
[07:54] <loswedseded> hardware issue... really?
[07:54] <loswedseded> ill seek
[07:54] <Uthman> clean the plug
[08:06] <HumanLove> its such a waste of time to install and confugre archlinux, wezterm alalcritty hyprland issues
[08:06] <HumanLove> even browser getting laggy
[08:06] <HumanLove> with 16ig of ram 4G gpu
[08:07] <lotuspsychj3> this is the ubuntu support channel here HumanLove
[08:07] <loswedseded> I just executed sudo apt update and it runs extremely slow. Could it be related?
[08:07] <YoGauM> hello everyone
[08:07] <HumanLove> what you mean loswedseded
[08:08] <HumanLove> loswedseded: you dont know
[08:09] <HumanLove> ?
[08:09] <HumanLove> why would i help go on head up straight
[08:09] <HumanLove> comon kick me fu
[08:10] <HumanLove> FS
[08:10] <HumanLove> fuck off
[08:10] <Uthman> helloo
[08:12] <Uthman> your disk could be busy. try rebooting to fix things the windows way
[08:20] <myappie> hi! im an architect working on a proposal for a future ubuntu headquarters
[08:20] <myappie> any suggestions to what the design concept should be?
[08:21] <lotuspsychj3> lol
[08:22] <lotuspsychj3> !contribute | myappie start here :p
[08:22] <myappie> cool thanks
[08:24] <myappie> any suggestios though?
[08:24] <myappie> i guess it could remind of the ubuntu logo
[08:24] <v9fk> make it big
[08:25] <myappie> its size should be calculated based on its relevance and the impact it's had
[08:25] <lotuspsychj3> myappie: this is the ubuntu support channel, we only take issues around ubuntu
[08:26] <lotuspsychj3> !chat | myappie
[08:27] <myappie> well, this is on topic and it's just a simple question. i work with one of the world's best architecture/design agencies and i'm doing all this for free.
[08:28] <loswedseded> is it normal that an ubuntu system slows down noticeably after transferring 600 GiB of data?
[08:28] <lotuspsychj3> myappie: its not on topic, leave the room free for technical issues please
[08:28] <loswedseded> normal mid range notebook
[08:29] <loswedseded> and external ssd ext4 usb 3 connection
[08:34] <loswedseded> so, about these really slow transfer sppeds from ext 4 internal to ext4 external with ubuntu 23.04: I chose another ssd, same cable, it transferred the file in under 40 seconds. However, initial transfer speed: 600 MiB per second. Final transfer speed: 30 MiB per second. Does this imply faulty hardware with this ssd? and if the transfer process failed with the first ssd (it stopped dead upon reaching 55%), does this mean a
[08:34] <loswedseded> faulty first ssd?
[08:35] <scottpedia> loswedseded: i think you can try cleaning the system cache
[08:35] <scottpedia> that is perhaps why the system is getting slower
[08:36] <loswedseded> scottpedia, any command youd recommend? noob here
[08:36] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: try to catch errors under your system hood, in your logs like i adviced
[08:36] <loswedseded> I started thunar from the cli but no output was printed lotuspsychj3
[08:37] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: also keep a journalctl -f open while you play
[08:37] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: and investigate or share your full 'dmesg' to the volunteers for a deeper look
[08:37] <loswedseded> lotuspsychj3, you mean: execute 'journalctl -f' before I play a movie, correct?
[08:38] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: execute it before investigating anything yeah, journal logs about everything your system does
[08:40] <myappie> why is it called apt-get? ie. apt-get install, two words of almost the same meaning
[08:41] <scottpedia> myappie: apt-get is the programmatic alternative of apt
[08:41] <myappie> what if instead copying the way openbsd does it? pkg_add <package>, pkg_delete <package>?
[08:42] <scottpedia> as a human user I usually use apt in command line
[08:42] <scottpedia> apt-get is more ideally embedded in scripts
[08:42] <loswedseded> nice commands, those 2...
[08:42] <myappie> with aliases (openbsd should have that too), ie. pkg_install, pkg_remove
[08:42] <scottpedia> loswedseded: did you find what's wrong?
[08:44] <loswedseded> no, but it might be broken sectors in a ssd, ill have to plug the unit again I guess
[08:44] <myappie> loswedseded: i could submit a PR that makes them the new default in ubuntu? old commands still supported ofcourse
[08:44] <loswedseded> I know nothing about packages myappie
[08:45] <scottpedia> myappie: you want to change the way ubuntu deals with packages by default?
[08:47] <myappie> i could? then i'd have to do it to debian too. i'd be honored to, because i've never liked the name.
[08:47] <myappie> and saying i've made changes to the ubuntu operating system sounds like a nice pickup line.
[08:48] <scottpedia> okay I think you can customize your own OS
[08:48] <scottpedia> but I think it's difficult to change the entire code base of an OS
[08:48] <scottpedia> just to your liking
[08:49] <scottpedia> you have to talk to the developers in charge of this
[08:53] <myappie> yep i definitely will
[08:58] <YoGauM> just won roulette
[08:58] <YoGauM> going to buy some ebooks
[09:17] <myappie> ubuntu/debian are still the #1 linux distro right?
[09:17] <lotuspsychj3> !discuss | myappie
[09:19] <myappie> would you be willing to switch out systemd if a simpler solution was presented?
[09:25] <myappie> thats the 2nd PR i have planned for ubuntu: In an unprecedented move, the latest version of Ubuntu has traded its traditional `systemd` init system for OpenBSD's `rc`. This revolutionary Ubuntu-OpenRC blend offers users a lighter, more transparent, and incredibly efficient approach to system initialization and service management. The switch has been hailed as a game-changer, simplifying system
[09:25] <myappie> configurations and significantly reducing boot times, all while enhancing stability and performance.
[09:26] <lotuspsychj3> please stop that myappie i already told you discussions and wishlists like that dont fit here in this support channel
[09:31] <myappie> apologies loswedseded
[09:31] <myappie> err
[09:31] <myappie> apologies lotuspsychj3
[09:31] <loswedseded> is there any way to find in what year a hdd / ssd was made?
[09:32] <loswedseded> I found a serial number with dmesg, but no way to know if 2017 is the year (first 4 digits of the serial number)
[09:33] <lotuspsychj3> loswedseded: there's a command to lookup your ssd's TBW (data used)
[09:34] <YoGauM> Someone of you do gambling ?
[09:35] <lotuspsychj3> not here please YoGauM
[09:47] <nikolam> how to generally avoid system locking up when Firefox eats all the RAM?
[09:54] <ravage> add more ram
[10:08] <tomreyn> Maxpm: yes, that would require modifying the .deb
[11:28] <Terminal-V> Hi everyone. OpenVPN's documentation is telling me to set the user to 'nobody' and the group to 'nobody'. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has the user 'nobody' but it doesn't have the group 'nobody'; it does have the group 'nogroup'. Is the group 'nogroup' equivalent to the group 'nobody'?
[11:29] <ravage> yes
[11:29] <Terminal-V> ravage thanks, bye.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:38] <bolovanos> hithere, I have a problem with my ufw complaining about multicast on my bridge https://paste.debian.net/hidden/912b7861/. Where should I go with ufw related problems?
[13:41] <bolovanos> this is stat for records in dmesg :  cat /tmp/dmesg-20230902 | cut -d " " -f 8,9,10 | sort | uniq -c | sort -grb -> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/29dbdb3c/
[13:58] <webchat13> Good morning!  I was hoping someone could help me with my Ubuntu installation on WLS?
[14:00] <leftyfb> !wsl | webchat13
[14:00] <webchat13> I keep getting this message when trying to install pretty much anything:
[14:00] <webchat13> Setting up update-notifier-common (<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[14:00] <webchat13> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:00] <webchat13>   File "/usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader", line 29, in <module>
[14:00] <webchat13>     import apt_pkg
[14:00] <webchat13> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'apt_pkg'
[14:00] <webchat13> dpkg: error processing package update-notifier-common (--configure):
[14:00] <webchat13>  installed update-notifier-common package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[14:00] <webchat13> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:00] <webchat13>  update-notifier-common
[14:00] <leftyfb> !paste | webchat13
[14:00] <webchat13> Setting up update-notifier-common (<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[14:00] <webchat13> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:00] <webchat13>   File "/usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader", line 29, in <module>
[14:00] <webchat13>     import apt_pkg
[14:00] <webchat13> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'apt_pkg'
[14:00] <webchat13> dpkg: error processing package update-notifier-common (--configure):
[14:00] <webchat13>  installed update-notifier-common package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[14:00] <webchat13> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:01] <leftyfb> webchat13: stop pasting here
[14:01] <ravage> that WSL setup is borked. delete and reinstall.
[14:03] <webchat13> ravage hmm.. ok.  I was hoping that wouldn't be the case but it seems like the easiest solution perhaps
[14:39] <loswedseded> is this the right channel to ask how to execute https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater from a cli in 23.04?
[14:43] <jhutchins> loswedseded: We probably can't support a third party project like that, best to ask the developers.
[14:47] <oerheks> "Packages are as well documented as possible"
[15:31] <tester1> hi
[15:31] <tester1> How are you today?
[15:32] <tomreyn> tester1: your test succeesed, but this channel is only for ubuntu support.
[15:32] <tester1> Linux then?
[15:32] <tomreyn> a specific ubuntu distribution.
[15:33] <tomreyn> there are other channels on this irc network
[15:33] <tomreyn> !alis
[15:33] <tester1> ok
[15:33] <tester1> no offense I hope in joining
[15:33] <tester1> still learning irc
[15:33] <oerheks> :-)
[15:34] <tester1> Where is the single, best, channel - to learn about linux
[15:34] <tomreyn> type this on a blank line:   /join #linux
[15:34] <tester1> Thanks
[15:34] <leftyfb> tester1: IRC is not the best place to learn linux
[15:34] <tester1> why?
[15:35] <tester1> Help me to unerstand, sincerelyu
[15:35] <cbreak> this is the best place for flamewars
[15:35] <tester1> understand, sincerely*
[15:35] <tester1> ok
[15:35] <leftyfb> tester1: install it and mess around.  Come up with things you want to do and look up how to do them
[15:35] <cbreak> if you're looking for opinions, you'll find many here :)
[15:35] <tester1> I think IRC is largely toxic community, ya?
[15:35] <leftyfb> cbreak: lets not
[15:36] <cbreak> not toxic in general, no
[15:36] <tester1> I have found that many IRC chatrooms are
[15:36] <tester1> toxic AF
[15:36] <tomreyn> tester1: please stay on topic here, though, which is exclusively ubuntu support.
[15:36] <tomreyn> we do car about this
[15:36] <tester1> sorry
[15:36] <tester1> I think IRC needs help.
[15:36] <tester1> :)
[15:37] <leftyfb> tester1: /join #linux for help with linux. /join #libera for help with IRC. Use the Alis service to find general chat rooms. Good luck
[15:38] <tester1> leftyfb: thanks for your help navigating IRC
[16:12] <peter__> ?
[16:13] <oerheks> :-)
[16:13] <peter__> Moin in die Runde.
[16:52] <derstrom> I'm running Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS and logging into the server via SSH displays messages about security updates available via ESM. Isn't this version of Ubuntu still supposed to be receiving security updates until 2025? (Context: I did upgrade from 18.04 LTS. Is it because I have packages installed that are no longer available in the 20.04 repos?)
[16:53] <cbreak> derstrom: I think those are unconditional advertisements
[16:53] <cbreak> I think they're generated by one of the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/
[16:53] <derstrom> cbreak I see, but it does mention that 22 "additional security updates" are available. Running apt-get upgrade yields no results (fully up to date).
[16:54] <cbreak> hmm...
[16:54] <derstrom> Very strange.
[16:54] <toddc> !pro | derstrom
[16:55] <derstrom> toddc It shouldn't be necessary, for the reasons I've explained.
[16:55] <toddc> it is not necessary
[16:56] <derstrom> cbreak The only plausible explanation I've got is that perhaps the server has packages installed which are no longer available in the main repos. For example, it mentioned that security updates for python2.7-dev are available via ESM, but that package is available even in 22.04.
[16:56] <derstrom> Makes no sense.
[16:56] <jhutchins> derstrom: Perhaps you do not have all of the repos enabled?  Would you care to pastebin your sources*? (Include the ones from sources.d.)
[16:56] <ravage> !pro | derstrom
[16:57] <toddc> you just get access to canonical created patches that not not yet been done by package maintainers dowmstream   yes maintainers have use them
[16:59] <toddc> as i understand it
[17:00] <derstrom> toddc Plausible, actually. I'm using DigitalOcean's mirrors.
[17:01] <omeryuce> hi, i downloaded the ova file for ubuntu 22 and ran it. but I can't find the password. Could you help?
[17:02] <oerheks> name ubuntu password empty?
[17:03] <oerheks> or the other way around
[17:03] <oerheks> what does the ova docs say?
[17:03] <omeryuce> I tried that way but it didn't work.
[17:03] <derstrom> toddc cbreak jhutchins I'll assume all is good for now. Thanks for your help.
[17:05] <oerheks> The account should be ubuntu. There is either no password, or it is displayed on the console when booting (or booting for the first time). You can use cloud-init to add user accounts and set passwords. –
[17:06] <omeryuce> I will try again. Thanks.
[17:19] <omeryuce> I reinstalled and it doesn't say on the start screen either.
[17:20] <blackmask> hello
[17:20] <blackmask> >;)
[20:56] <dust> a program which is installed as snap can not be started from shell as it is possible with a apt installed package
[20:56] <rbox> what?
[20:57] <rbox> is that a question?
[20:59] <cbreak> it's an incorrect statement
[22:00] <matsaman> yeah that's true, but, mmm, oof, I don't know
[22:46] <tcurdt-> I am trying ping6 from a ubuntu box but no packets are being transmitted (ipv4 works) ... now this sounds more like networking/ipv6 issue than a ubuntu one ... any suggestion where else to ask?
[23:41] <cbreak> tcurdt-: ask 'ip a' whether you have ipv6 addresses at all


 (Photo, 1280x308) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ikBBfORe/file_38915.jpg
 Spent some time this afternoon, writing an article for Kubuntu News
 We've just released a news article 'Linux on the desktop' … Hoping you like this new news style, do let us know what you think. … https://kubuntu.org/news/linux-on-the-desktop/
 Gave me an opportunity to link to the new KDE 5.20 build for Hirsute
[16:03] <keithzg> @Sick_Rimmit: Minor correction, Apple hasn't referred to it as "Mac OS X" for many years now, these days it's "macOS" (dumb, but what can one expect from the folks that brought us iTunes and iPod, eh?)
 Ok Thanks Keith, I'll correct hat
[16:06] <keithzg> Relatedly I've posted the article link over on Mastodon now :)
 Oh sweet thanks.
[16:07] <keithzg> (Also relatedly, did y'all hear about how Apple DDoS'd itself and it screwed up their "Gatekeeper" system and made non-Apple applications fail to launch for anyone whose Mac was connected to the internet? Yikes!)
 WoWzers.....
 NASA?
[23:36] <valorie> nice article, @Sick_Rimmit


[05:26] <jibel> good morning
[05:48] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:55] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[05:57] <didrocks> good morning
[05:57] <didrocks> salut jibel, oSoMoN
[05:58] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[05:58] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:59] <jibel> salut didrocks
[06:03] <seb128> salut les frenchies, oSoMoN didrocks jibel
[06:03] <ThorHop[m]> Something that bothers me is that there are very few screenshots in gnome-software...
[06:06] <jamesh> oSoMoN: fyi: my branch adding host system font access for snaps got merged to master.  That probably means it'll be generally available in snapd-2.29
[06:14] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[06:14] <oSoMoN> jamesh, yes, I’ve seen the branch land, thanks!
[06:14] <oSoMoN> I’ll be eagerly waiting for it to be released
[06:15] <jamesh> oSoMoN: it should only require you to plug the "desktop" interface, so apps should pick this up by default as they move to the new interface
[06:30] <seb128> jamesh, did you land the complete work? like if you plug to the desktop interface all the host fonts are bindmounted for you?
[06:30] <seb128> the pr I saw was just adding the mountdir but not doing any actual mounting
[06:30] <seb128> jamesh, oh and hey btw :-)
[06:31] <jamesh> seb128: yeah.  There were two parts: (1) adding the empty directories as mount points to the core snap, and (2) updating the desktop interface to actually do the bind mounts
[06:31] <jamesh> seb128: (2) is what just landed
[06:31] <seb128> ah nice
[06:31] <seb128> good to know they are open to that as well
[06:31] <seb128> do you plan to do similar changes for other things
[06:32] <jamesh> this is just in master right now though, so you'd need to compile your own snapd until it is released
[06:32] <seb128> like maybe mimetypes
[06:32] <jamesh> seb128: I want to solve theming, but that is a little more complex
[06:32] <seb128> k, that one would be good
[06:32] <jamesh> I'm not sure whether exposing the host shared-mime-info makes sense
[06:33] <jamesh> we should work out a way to avoid the rebuild that the desktop-helpers part does though
[06:33] <seb128> right
[06:34] <jamesh> the host system mime database is going to be a combination of the base shared-mime-info and stuff provided by installed applications
[06:35] <jamesh> (a) it's not clear we want confined apps to know everything that's installed out of the sandbox, and (b) it's not clear that they could meaningfully use that info
[06:35] <jamesh> (e.g. they can't launch those apps directly)
[06:38] <seb128> right
[06:38] <seb128> well, that's not an important part to resolve now in any case, theme is higher priority for sure
[06:39] <seb128> oh other topic
[06:39] <seb128> jamesh, did you see bug #1715662?
[06:39] <seb128> jamesh, and did you forget to send your weekly summary for the meeting yesterday or did that just got lost on the way?
[06:39] <seb128> sorry for the dump of questions :-)
[06:43] <jamesh> seb128: I had seen that bug.  The code is supposed to be doing delayed update, but obviously isn't quite working right.  I forgot to send through my update yesterday.
[06:44] <seb128> jamesh, l_aney has a review comment pointing to a code error which he thinks explains the issue, can you have a look to that and comment back at least? even if you don't have slots to work on a fix atm
[06:46] <jamesh> seb128: sure.
[06:46] <seb128> thanks
[08:01] <Laney> hooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:01] <didrocks> hey ho Laney
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:08] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128
[08:08] <Laney> I'm gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[08:08] <seb128> :-)
[08:08] <Laney> you?
[08:09] <seb128> I'm good as well, had a good night and was up feeling fresh and ready to work at 7am
[08:09] <seb128> already got quite some work done
[08:09] <seb128> and I'm playing tennis tonight :-)
[08:10] <willcooke> morning all.  I'm on child care for a little bit this morning.  Should be back in about 15 mins
[08:11] <Laney> 7am wtf
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:13] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:13] <seb128> good luck with the kids
[08:13] <Laney> moin willcooke
[08:14] <c-lobrano> morning all 0/
[08:15] <seb128> hey c-lobrano
[08:38] <jibel> I'm looking at bug 1718285 and trying to confirm it. It seems that it's caused by the uim module under wayland. I installed uim but would anyone know how to enable it? I found nothing to configure input methods in control center
[08:39] <willcooke> back
[08:45] <seb128> jibel, GTK_IM_MODULE=uim <cmd>
[08:45] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:45] <jibel> thanks
[08:45] <seb128> jibel, I wanted to look at that but I'm currently under an x11 session and can't restart
[08:45] <seb128> jibel, the bt is gtk2 so find something gtk2ish
[08:45] <seb128> ignore that it's nautilus
[08:46] <seb128> and gtk3
[08:46] <seb128> I saw a similar on gtk2 earlier
[08:46] <seb128> ah, no, it's the retrace
[08:46] <seb128> im_module_init (type_module=0x55a287902100) at ../../gtk2/immodule/gtk-im-uim.c:1808
[08:46] <seb128> I wonder if uim is wrongly built and install the gtk2 module in the gtk3 dir
[08:47] <seb128> seems not
[08:47] <willcooke> koza, seb128 let's skip again today.  duflu is out and nothing new to report on the current bluez stack I think
[08:47] <seb128> willcooke, koza, +1
[08:48] <willcooke> oh, except, I havent looked, but do you know if the fix for that bluetooth exploit is released to Xenial?
[08:48]  * willcooke now looks
[08:48] <seb128> willcooke, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.37-0ubuntu5.1
[08:48] <jibel> seb128, the gtk2 module is installed in the gtk2 dir and GTK_IM_MODULE=uim nautiluse crashes nautilus immediately
[08:48] <koza> willcooke, breaks my heart but yeah we can skip
[08:48]  * willcooke sends koza some flowers
[08:48] <koza> it is released, snap is following
[08:48] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[08:49] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[08:49]  * koza koza has lags, is uploading kernel at 34.00 KiB/s
[08:50] <willcooke> :(
[08:51] <seb128> jibel, the uim bug is https://github.com/uim/uim/issues/71
[08:52] <jibel> thanks, I'll update lp
[08:52] <seb128> refresh first
[08:52] <seb128> I did some changes to the bug
[08:52] <jibel> ok
[09:00] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, hey, have you had a chance to check the chromium update (61.0.3163.79) in the stage ppa?
[09:28] <jamesh> seb128: this should fix up the gnome-control-center issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/gnome-control-center/ubuntu-bug-1715662/+merge/331038
[09:29] <seb128> jamesh, great, thanks
[10:26] <didrocks> jbicha: FYI, tried the pkexec patch, but it only has effects on Xorg session, so I think we can wait for .1 :)
[11:08] <seb128> bah, tb segfaults on start for me now
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, yeah, I'm working on it
[11:16] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[11:16] <seb128> restarting
[12:03] <jbicha> seb128: hi, I guess we want NM 1.8.4 (released today) ? https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/NEWS/?h=nm-1-8
[12:04] <jbicha> in case it helps with new gnome-control-center shell crashes?
[12:05] <seb128> jbicha, hey, sure
[12:05] <seb128> jbicha, I was going to ask you if you knew of a ppa with 1.10
[12:05] <seb128> jbicha, the NEWS doesn't sound like it fixes the g-c-c issue though
[12:08] <Laney> nah, master is still buggy, I tried with NM/g-c-c from git using jhbuild
[12:09] <seb128> Laney, would be useful if you say so on #control-center :-)
[12:09] <seb128> also good to mention
[12:09] <seb128> I was about to spend time on that
[12:09] <Laney> I just did mention it
[12:09] <Laney> I literally just did that so this is not a case of me failing to tell you
[12:09] <seb128> right, and I just thanked you for doing so :-)
[12:09] <Laney> ok
[12:10] <Laney> feel free to spend time on it
[12:10] <Laney> I'm going to have lunch
[12:10] <seb128> sorry, messages don't get through IRC easily sometime
[12:10] <seb128> thanks for testing!
[12:10] <seb128> I don't have a jhbuild handy around
[12:10] <jbicha> it feels to me like the old g-c-c shell doesn't crash as much but I don't use the old shell as much either
[12:10] <seb128> so I was going to start some manual building figuring out build options and such
[12:25] <seb128> jbicha, do you have any idea what we do about that cups-filters/qpdf issue?
[12:29] <jbicha> seb128: I thought tkamppeter fixed it (LP: #1718215) with cups-filters 1.17.7 but that's stuck in artful-proposed because of cups autopkgtest failures
[12:30] <seb128> jbicha, right, the "blocked in proposed because of cups autopkg" is the issue
[12:31] <jbicha> I FAIL stderr: /usr/bin/lp: Unsupported document-format "application/pdf"
[12:31] <seb128> Till is away for travel/visiting of NY/w.e now
[12:31] <seb128> right
[12:31] <jbicha> I don't know
[12:31] <seb128> I emailed Till about it
[12:31] <seb128> but he said the cups-filters update should fix that
[12:33] <seb128> jbicha, should we revert the qpdf update
[12:33] <seb128> ?
[12:33] <jbicha> the tests pass in Debian https://ci.debian.net/packages/c/cups/unstable/amd64/
[12:34] <c-lobrano> does anybody knows why compiling mutter 3.24.4 I got this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/25578901/ ?
[12:35] <seb128> jbicha, that's good to know but doesn't help us much?
[12:35] <c-lobrano> *does anybody know
[12:36] <jbicha> revert qpdf to what? qpdf 7b1 has been in artful for a few weeks
[12:37] <seb128> that version works
[12:37] <seb128> the issue is that they changed a symbol between 7b1 and 7
[12:38] <seb128> c-lobrano, I don't
[12:39] <c-lobrano> seb128: ok, thanks anyway
[12:40] <seb128> jbicha, it's probably more productive to fix the issue but it's a bit annoying that it's when Till is travelling :-/
[12:42] <c-lobrano> Trevinho, maybe :)
[12:43] <seb128> c-lobrano, or the gnome channels
[12:43] <c-lobrano> seb128: I've tried in gnome-shell already, but no luck
[12:44] <jk^> hi all please, how to request a cancellation of a pastebin pasted for error? on paste.ubuntu.com?
[12:47] <seb128> jk^, you can't easily, https://askubuntu.com/questions/406275/i-would-like-to-delete-an-accidental-post-i-did-on-paste-ubuntu-com-while-using suggest filing an ubuntu rt
[12:59] <jbicha> didrocks: do you know why the Ubuntu session uses org.gnome.mutter gsettings instead of org.gnome.shell.overrides like the GNOME session does?
[13:00] <jbicha> it makes configuring dynamic-workspaces or attach-modal-dialog etc. more complicated with Tweaks
[13:03] <seb128> jbicha, I think it has to do with the use of a gnome-shell mode
[13:03] <seb128> I don't remember the details though
[13:09] <didrocks> jbicha: because this is the thing which was hackish in org.gnome.shell.overrides
[13:10] <didrocks> jbicha: and upstream is ging to remove it now that we have per-session overrides
[13:10] <didrocks> (per desktop rather)
[13:11] <didrocks> jbicha: basically, in tweaks, you should just take the gsettings value, so it's actually easier
[13:13] <jbicha> didrocks: I should do what?
[13:14] <didrocks> jbicha: nothing, normally, the settings are just the base ones, org.gnome.mutter
[13:14] <didrocks> and it will be the same for GNOME classic soon
[13:14] <didrocks> (the patches are already ready by Florian)
[13:16] <jbicha> didrocks: it sounds to me like you're saying that this will be easier for 3.28 but what should I do for 3.26?
[13:16] <jbicha> a related bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786311
[13:19] <didrocks> jbicha: you can test session and special case ubuntu if you want to support it
[13:19] <didrocks> jbicha: knowing that in 3.28, you sohuld just have to listen on org.gnome.mutter
[13:54] <didrocks> we are really getting a ton of positive comments on my blog post suite
[13:54] <didrocks> the last one being:
[13:54] <didrocks> "Wow, I have just tried it out, you know, Ubuntu 17.10 ... and it looks very nice! Works like a charm!
[13:54] <didrocks> The animations in GNOME 3.26 when maximizing windows etc. also work great. Together with the modifications for Ubuntu, it all looks very posh!"
[13:55] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:55]  * didrocks was more expecting 50/50 feedbacks, but it's overall 80/20 of positive feedbacks
[13:57] <cyphermox> willcooke: ping about the mascott for slideshow :)
[13:57] <didrocks> jbicha: do you mind answer on a Tweak question on https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/20/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-13/#comment-3526266138? I can't think of anything blocking anyone installing an extension on Tweaks…
[13:57] <didrocks> apart from "can't disable extensions being part of a mode" ofc
[13:58] <willcooke> cyphermox, HEY!
[13:58] <willcooke> oops
[13:58] <willcooke> sorry for caps
[13:58] <cyphermox> ahaha
[13:58] <willcooke> I added the mascot to the xcf file in the source
[13:59] <willcooke> and also, lemme find the bug
[13:59] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1717309
[14:01] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: hey... I finally was able to fix all the compile issues, test failures and arch-related troubles (the only "bad thing" i had to accept was disabling -Werror in armhf and ppc64)... s390x doesn't go, but it never went and I guess we don't care. So if you agree, feel free to publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2892
[14:02] <Trevinho> So I can proceed back porting the important fixes on lockscreen to Xenial
[14:03] <seb128> Trevinho, good, I do that
[14:03] <willcooke> Trevinho, was anyone able to test and recreate?
[14:03] <willcooke> on U7 that is
[14:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: what you refer to?
[14:03] <willcooke> Trevinho, the lock screen / desktop flashing up for a couple of seconds
[14:04] <Trevinho> willcooke: ah andyrock had it iirc
[14:04] <cyphermox> willcooke: cool!
[14:07] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney,the publishing fails because of the missing s390x builds it seems
[14:08] <Trevinho> In the past it was ignored... I don't know how to mark that
[14:10] <Trevinho> There's a default that I can't reproduce and also valgrind doesn't complain... I can ignore tests there too... But, I guess we can just ignore the arch
[14:10] <seb128> yeah, unsure how to ignore
[14:10] <seb128> maybe manual pocket copy
[14:12] <tjaalton> does super+up/down work for someone, to maximize/minimize windows? doesn't work for me
[14:12] <tjaalton> left/right does
[14:14] <Trevinho> seb128: probably...
[14:15] <seb128> tjaalton, wfm under wayland
[14:15] <tjaalton> seb128: ok, must be a hw issue on this beta laptop then..
[14:15] <tjaalton> or something
[14:16] <jibel> super+up/down doesn't work on X, but ctrl+super+up/down does
[14:17] <seb128> what keybindings are listed in settings?
[14:17] <tjaalton> jibel: yeah that works here too, and I'm on wayland
[14:18] <jibel> ah, the settings was modified. After a reset super+up/down works
[14:18] <jibel> I don't remember I modified it or looong time ago
[14:24] <tjaalton> me neither
[14:25] <didrocks> never opened ccsm in the unity times?
[14:25] <jibel> it's keybindings inherited from unity7
[14:25] <didrocks> ccsm had the nasty effect to "write" some default keys and so, became non defaults
[14:25] <didrocks> (and so, new defaults aren't applied)
[14:26] <jibel> default zesty installation ctrl+super+up/down maximizes/restores the windows but only super+up/down on artful/g-shell
[14:26] <jibel> so on an upgraded system keybindings are different than a default artful installation
[14:27] <tjaalton> ok, i'll blame ccsm
[14:28] <tjaalton> looks like I got gnome set up pretty much the way I had unity7, but missing alt+f2 which had a history :)
[14:30] <tjaalton> and some weirdness with a n*n workspace grid where some shortcuts think it's still a vertical array of workspaces
[14:30] <tjaalton> but that's just a bug
[14:30] <tjaalton> all in all, artful is looking good :)
[14:30] <GunnarHj> seb128, jbicha: Hi guys, I think I made the adjustments of the ubuntu-seeds MP which we talked about yesterday, including an adjustment of l-s. Any remaining issues/questions, or is any of you ready to merge the thing?
[14:30] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes/+merge/329857
[14:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm not familiar enough with that to merge it without spending some time trying to understand what it does exactly and I don't have slots for that atm
[14:32] <Laney> Trevinho: looks like the last release does build on s390x q
[14:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, while you are here, could you have a look to the UIFe on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1713712 ?
[14:34] <jbicha> GunnarHj: the MP looks good to me. Speaking of UIFe's, I was going to email the lists soon for LP: #1718083
[14:34] <seb128> Laney, can you force skip over the cups-filters autopkgtest for cups failure? I emailed Till about it and he had a look and wrote "This is not a bug, this is a specialty PPD for Braille embossers which does not support PDF input. The autopkgtest of CUPS (debian/tests/cups in CUPS source package) needs some kind of override"
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, ^
[14:34] <didrocks> GunnarHj: you should never have said "hi" :)
[14:35] <seb128> :-)
[14:35] <GunnarHj> didrocks, seb128: Wasn't aware of the implied code in that word. :)
[14:36] <seb128> hehe
[14:36] <didrocks> :p
[14:36] <jbicha> seb128: so maybe Debian's autopkgtest didn't fail because they don't have cups-filter 1.17.7 with the extra braille stuff?
[14:37] <Laney> seb128: if it's normal then the test shouldn't fail on it
[14:38] <seb128> jbicha, right
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, right, that's the "needs some kind of override" part
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, but qpdf migrated to artful screwing cups-filters/cups on the way
[14:38] <seb128> and Tiil is travelling to NY on having days off to visit
[14:38] <seb128> so he's off until eow
[14:38] <seb128> so either we keep cups broken in artful for the week
[14:39] <seb128> or we skip over the test for that one
[14:39] <seb128> and Till can do the test fix next week
[14:39] <seb128> Laney, ^
[14:39] <Laney> that thing you pasted doesn't sound like he's planning to fix cups
[14:40] <seb128> the issue is not a real issue but an imperfect test so I would argue in favor of skipping and fixing the archive
[14:40] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Added a comment on 1718083. Will you merge the ubuntu-seeds MP?
[14:40] <Laney> yes, well, everyone always argues in favour of skipping over regressions rather than fixing things
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, let me forward you the emails, I didn't want to spam IRC too much
[14:40] <jbicha> seb128: did cups-filters just need a rebuild against qpdf? if so, maybe going back to 1.17.5 would be easier now
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, that would be a solution I guess
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, I fowarded you the email, let me know what you want to do
[14:41] <seb128> options are
[14:41] <seb128> - keep artful buggy until somebody fixes the cups test (not likely this week)
[14:41] <seb128> - delete the cups-filters and do a no change rebuild from the old version
[14:41] <seb128> - skip over the test for now and fix properly next week
[14:41] <seb128> afaik
[14:42] <jibel> option 1 is not an option: buggy mean "no printing at all"
[14:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Added a comment on 1713712.
[14:42] <jibel> so it's either revert or force the publication
[14:42] <seb128> jibel, well it's an option, even if you don't like it
[14:42] <seb128> I didn't say it was a good option
[14:43] <jibel> you cannot reasonably keep printing broken for a week
[14:43] <seb128> that's not the option I favorite
[14:43] <seb128> agreed
[14:43] <seb128> but I can't be bothered going backward
[14:43] <seb128> and L_aney is not liking skips
[14:43] <seb128> so we might just end up there
[14:45] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for merging GunnarHj's changes
[14:46] <seb128> I'm going to ask Till to set up an autopkgtest for qpdf as well
[14:46] <seb128> so next time it doesn't migrate screwing up cups-filters/cups
[14:48] <willcooke> It's probably worth pinging Till on email anyway, he might get a few mins here and there in the hotel before he goes out adventuring
[14:49] <seb128> willcooke, I did, he debugged the issue
[14:49] <seb128> well figured out what the problem is
[14:49] <seb128> it's not a bug in the runtime, just a test that is being done over braille ppds which are special cases and shouldn't be tested in that conext
[14:49] <seb128> context
[14:50] <seb128> I don't think he's going to have the slots to do the packaging changes today though and he's off tomorrow/friday and I don't think it's important enough to ask him to take time on his days off to work
[14:50] <willcooke> yeah, I mean he might fix the tests this week
[14:51] <willcooke> worth asking is all I mean
[14:52] <seb128> right, let me do that
[15:00] <Laney> it would be easy for anyone to update /usr/share/cups/test-drivers to skip that brail [4~ even if that's temporaryledriver
[15:01] <Laney> i'm having a really hard time IRCing atm, sorry
[15:01] <Laney> don't even know if these messages are getting through
[15:01] <seb128> Laney, they do
[15:01] <seb128> thanks for the suggestion
[15:06] <seb128> I emailed Till asking about that
[15:10] <seb128> oSoMoN, you should probably change back the GNOME bug about the screen config being lost from needinfo to new since you provided the info
[15:11] <oSoMoN> seb128, I was kind of expecting the person who asked for more info to do that, and it seems I can only change it to RESOLVED
[15:12] <seb128> oh ok
[15:12] <seb128> oSoMoN, ignore me then, sometime it acts as a small nudging but I didn't remember the status was locked
[15:13] <Laney> managed to pass about 3 packets
[15:15] <Laney> others in this room aren't having problems
[15:15] <Laney> :/
[15:15] <seb128> :-/
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, time to use your 3g? ;-)
[15:16] <Laney> can't tether on that
[15:16] <Laney> ok, seems a bit better now
[15:17] <seb128> wb!
[15:22] <willcooke> cyphermox, lol @ aardvarkify
[15:33] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, remember those /dev/shm/org.chromium.XXXXXX denials in the firefox snap? looks like firefox uses some chromium code for IPC, and they didn't bother modifying the namespace… https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/ipc/chromium/src/base/file_util_posix.cc
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, you probably know that but just to give a confirmation, your n-m change fixes the g-c-c/unlock segfault for me
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to handle the n-m upload with the vpn patch and yours once they are accepted?
[15:50] <Laney> seb128: can do if necessary
[15:52] <seb128> Laney, that would be nice :-)
[15:55] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, indeed
[15:55] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, do you think that's related to the problem?
[15:57] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I think so, yes
[16:01] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, you saw my ping of before?
[16:01] <Trevinho> it's still valid, though I triggered a rebuild of the silo as I missed a commit
[16:04] <Laney> Trevinho: yes, you said that s390x doesn't build, right?
[16:04] <Laney> the last build in artful does have an s390x build so that's probably why it's complaining
[16:05] <Trevinho> Laney: well, it's libnux that doesn't
[16:05] <Trevinho> it builds
[16:05] <Trevinho> but... it segfaults in a test
[16:05] <Trevinho> and I can't really debug it
[16:05] <Trevinho> valgrind is ok with it here
[16:07] <Laney> doesn't matter why, just that's the reason I think
[16:07] <Laney> so you probably need an archive admin to help you remove it or something
[16:12] <Trevinho> Laney: so... you suggest me to disable the tests and get it done, or ask for the removal?
[16:12] <Laney> I don't think there's much point building something that is totally/mostly broken
[16:12] <Laney> so maybe remove it
[16:12] <Laney> but you need to check for things which depend or build-depend on it too
[16:13] <Trevinho> I guess only unity
[16:13] <Trevinho> ype
[16:14] <Trevinho> sil2100: can you help with that? ^
[16:15] <Trevinho> or didrocks... but he's out now :(
[16:15] <Trevinho> ah, seb128 too, no?
[16:15]  * Trevinho goes through the list of admins :-D
[16:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, regarding firefox, this looks troublesome indeed
[16:59] <oSoMoN> good night all
[17:14] <qengho> yo
[17:16] <jbicha> qengho: hi! I hope Irma wasn't too bad for you
[17:19] <qengho> jbicha: Hi! Thanks! I barely felt it because I moved 3000 miles away.
[17:19] <jbicha> oh, that works
[18:30] <kenvandine> yay, auto-connection for gnome-3-26-1604 granted :)
[18:30] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thx!
[18:30] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[18:31] <jdstrand> yw
[18:33] <jdstrand> kenvandine: curious if you are doing one for gnome-3-24-1604?
[18:34] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i could easily
[18:35] <kenvandine> jdstrand, but not sure we need/want it now that we have 3.26
[18:36] <kenvandine> less to maintain this way, we'll do one for 3.28 when it's out then we'll have multiple versions to maintain
[18:37] <kenvandine> so lets not start with extra baggage :)
[18:51] <jbicha> seb128: could you subscribe desktop-bugs to ibus-table-chinese and mozc? this is follow-up from GunnarHj's seed change
[18:59] <jdstrand> kenvandine: wfm. perhaps you will want to have the snap removed if you are abandoning it (once you move your stuff off of it). just for your consideration
[20:43] <kenvandine> jdstrand, yeah, that's a good idea
[20:59] <jackpot51> So, there are serious HiDPI regressions on 3.26 with Xorg. These are visible in the Artful installer.
[21:00] <jackpot51> Has anybody seen these?
[22:26] <seb128> jackpot51, report bugs on launchpad?
[22:30] <seb128> jbicha, I didn't follow, we need MIRs for new ibus things? is that for locales that were used fcitx?
[22:31] <seb128> mozc is already in main, why do you need desktop-bugs subscribed?
[22:37] <seb128> same for ibus-table-chinese
[22:54] <jbicha> seb128: oh that makes sense since they were 'supported', but shouldn't there be a bug subsciber? I was looking at component-mismatches
[23:11] <Trevinho> kenvandine: hey, can you give a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958 ?


[07:47] <qense> hello
[12:01] <mpt> "Get it while it's hot." -- Ubuntu 7.04 feature tour
[15:04] <newz2000> mpt: what's that?
[15:10] <mpt> newz2000, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704tour#head-d1c6a48a219c4ea353a5b0d90bc795bfd10fd176
[15:11] <newz2000> ah
[15:17] <mpt> Not that it matters much any more, but it's also confusing for all the links in what appears to be a table of contents to go off to wiki.ubuntu.com instead of going to the relevant part of the same page
[16:19] <thorwil> newz2000: regarding ubuntu.com vs ubuntu-nl.org, what about content negotiation?
[16:20] <Volans> thorwil: I think is just google that puts localized results before international ones
[16:20] <thorwil> i think the debian site does it. presenting the site in the preferred language of the user
[16:20] <newz2000> we do that for the start page
[16:21] <newz2000> we've chosen not to translate ubuntu.com but we're discussing an upcoming project of linking to localized sites in the header
[16:21] <Volans> for example in italian, if I search "ubuntu" in the google search of firefox the first 4 results are:
[16:21] <Volans> www.ubuntu-it.org/
[16:21] <Volans> www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?page=Ottenere_Ubuntu   // equivalent to getubuntu and link directly the download page in the ubuntu.com site
[16:21] <Volans> www.ubuntu.com/
[16:21] <Volans> www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[16:22] <thorwil> newz2000: well, ok, linking to appropriate localized sites is the second best thing, i think :)
[16:23] <newz2000> thorwil: yeah, I think that would help satisfy the complaint of Erik's first tester who was upset that it was only in English
[16:24] <thorwil> newz2000: regarding the problems of users not understanding what server vs desktop means, i wonder if images that depict suitable environments for each would help
[16:24] <newz2000> good idea
[16:24] <Volans> newz2000: maybe we can make only the homepage translated and with automatic language recogniction where is explained that the site is in english and the relative localized site is XXX and the download page is YYY
[16:25] <newz2000> I doubt it
[16:26] <newz2000> we're constantly changing homepage graphics and needing to translate them would slow things down considerably
[16:26] <Volans> newz2000: I don't think a "translated" homepage stricty... but only a page that have 3-4 big things like buttons
[16:26] <Volans> to send the user to the right place
[16:27] <newz2000> well, my idea was to put a link near the top that says in your native language, "get help in Italian" or whatever.
[16:27] <newz2000> Then a localized page on ubuntu.com that explains the italian resources
[16:27] <Volans> oh yeah, good solution as well
[16:28] <Volans> and maybe the possibility do download without the english page
[16:28] <newz2000> yes, that would probably be a good candidate for locailzation
[16:28] <newz2000> since its hard for community members to maintain localized versions of that page
[16:29] <Volans> iirc we have a localized "copy" of that
[16:29] <Volans> the one I have linked above
[16:29] <Volans> but probably not all the locoteam have one
[16:29] <newz2000> yes, but it won't get udated automatically with new mirrors
[16:30] <Volans> sure
[16:32] <Volans> and as we have already discussed in the past, the choose of the mirror is a complicated and useless step for a normal user
[16:32] <newz2000> yes, I should see if the sysadmins will evaluate that geoip apache module
[16:33] <newz2000> maybe we can do some a/b testing for this release and implement it fully by the end of the year
[16:34] <thorwil> does it actually say "mirror"? something like "download location" or just "download from" should be easier to understand
[16:35] <newz2000> choose a location near you
[16:35] <Volans> newz2000: take a look at the download page od opensuse: http://software.opensuse.org/ there are some interesting trick (I prefer something a little more graphical)
[16:36]  * newz2000 wishes opera would stop being the default for clicking links in pidgin
[16:36] <newz2000> yuck
[16:36] <newz2000> there are some good things there
[16:37]  * newz2000 doesn't like the yellow
[16:38] <Volans> the fedora's one is so complicated... http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora there is a mixture of architechture, media (CD, DVD), torrent, Live...
[16:39] <qense> hello
[16:39] <newz2000> hi qense
[16:39] <Volans> hi qense
[16:40] <thorwil> hi qense
[16:41] <newz2000> I have an idea...
[16:41] <newz2000> reneable the js ajax based geoip
[16:42] <newz2000> set a reasonable timeout (750ms maybe)
[16:42] <newz2000> let php generate a list of the 10 fastest mirrors with good international bandwidth
[16:42] <newz2000> and store them in a js array sent to the page
[16:42] <newz2000> if the ajax fails to return in 750ms then it just randomly chooses one of the top 10 mirrors
[16:42] <newz2000> if the ajax does return it uses a local mirror
[16:43] <Volans> newz2000: what kind of geo control you want to make, on the IP, on the locale used in the browser, etc...
[16:43] <Volans> ?
[16:43] <newz2000> IP -> country
[16:44] <newz2000> for the download location select list
[16:44] <Volans> maybe excluding some strange ip like tor if possible
[16:44] <newz2000> that would allow us to ditch that list
[16:46] <newz2000> brb
[17:11] <newz2000> hi, would you guys do me a quick test?
[17:11] <newz2000> visit http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/temp
[17:11] <Volans> sure
[17:11] <newz2000> hit shift+reload
[17:11] <newz2000> and tell me if shows your IP address
[17:12] <Volans> the first ip was not mine, after ctrl+r is changed and is mine
[17:12] <newz2000> cool
[17:13] <newz2000> anyone else confirm? especially if you use an ISP/network with a proxy
[17:13] <Volans> I have public Ip but use a router, so the ip on my card is 192.168.x.x
[17:13] <Volans> but no proxy
[17:13] <qense> the second is indeed mine
[17:13] <qense> no proxy
[17:13] <newz2000> I'm looking for the public ip
[17:14] <newz2000> cool
[17:14] <newz2000> I wonder where I can find some proxy users
[17:14]  * newz2000 knows one...
[17:15] <Volans> I can confirm with http://www.geekproxy.com
[17:15] <thorwil> show's my natting routers ip
[17:16] <Volans> but what is the trouble newz2000? is the ip of the connected user... or you have problem with the proxy-cache?
[17:16] <newz2000> my concern is, lets say you have an office with IPs of 10.0.1.xxx and a proxy server with <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:16] <newz2000> (as the public IP)
[17:16] <newz2000> I want to ensure my code returns <IP_ADDRESS>, not 10.0.1.xxx
[17:17] <newz2000> (kind of a bad example)
[17:17] <Volans> but is javascript or php?
[17:17] <newz2000> php
[17:17] <newz2000> javascript can't get a user's IP address
[17:17] <Volans> with ajax yes ;)
[17:18] <newz2000> that's what I'm testing here... the php code that returns the user's public ip address
[17:18] <newz2000> I want to ensure it works correctly even for users behind a proxy
[17:18] <qense> I do use a switch, but no proxy
[17:18] <Volans> newz2000: as I know you use a proxy-cache on ubuntu.com, right?
[17:18] <qense> we do have a proxy at school, i could test it by connecting to the webserver using rdp ;)
[17:19] <newz2000> qense: would you mind? that would be perfect
[17:19] <qense> ok
[17:19] <newz2000> Volans: right, this wouldn't be a problem if it werern't for the fact that ubuntu.com is behind two proxy servers. :-)
[17:20] <newz2000> so I get an array when I look at the forwarded_for header
[17:20] <Volans> In this case you have to use a more long code to be sure that is the user IP
[17:21] <Volans> if you want I have the code that SMF use (and I have patched) to work with the proxy-cache the sysadmins have put behind ubuntu-it on april
[17:21] <newz2000> here's what I did: http://pastebin.com/d661406a0
[17:23] <qense> stupid server, keeps bugging me with apache crash reports, even though its still running
[17:24] <Volans> this is the one SMF use (and I have patched a little): http://pastebin.com/de828868 note the array_reverse in the FORWARDED FOR section
[17:24] <qense> (my apologizes for ther lack of punctuation. typing is hard with one arm in a mitella, coding even harder)
[17:24] <Volans> when I print the variable I see: [HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR] => 87.21.x.x, <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:25] <qense> the website renders horrible in IE6, bt
[17:25] <Volans> the first one (and not the last one) is my ip, while SMF would make the contrary
[17:25] <qense> BUG: can't read page content of main site in IE6
[17:25] <Volans> qense: javascript enabled?
[17:25] <newz2000> can't read it at all?
[17:26] <qense> the footer is halfway over the breadcrumbs
[17:26] <qense> im going to check if js is enbled
[17:26] <newz2000> hmm
[17:26] <newz2000> that's bad
[17:26]  * newz2000 bangs head on desk
[17:26] <qense> Why are options considered a tool by MS?
[17:27] <qense> or extra?
[17:27] <newz2000> Volans: that's far more complex because it needs to handle more corner cases than I do, but I think fundamentally the same (smf code)
[17:28] <Volans> yes, it cover more possibility and probably is more "safe" i something change in the proxy-cache architecture
[17:28] <qense> where is the javascript option in IE6?
[17:29] <Volans> also newz2000 it excludes all the private ip
[17:29] <Volans> 172, 192.168. 10, etc...
[17:29] <newz2000> well, I'm making an assumption that the last non-127... IP is the public ip address
[17:30] <newz2000> based on current server architecture
[17:31] <Volans> I think is better to exclude all reserved IPs... is simple and more safe ;)
[17:31] <Volans> I can confirm IE6 on XP virualized... the footer cover the content
[17:31] <Volans> but I can copy and paste in an editor
[17:31] <qense> newz2000: img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmpdnp8.JPG
[17:31] <Volans> and see the ip :D
[17:31] <qense> tmpdn8.JPG*
[17:32] <qense> need to go now, dinner time
[17:32] <newz2000> I'm affrade to look
[17:32] <newz2000> thanks qense
[17:32] <qense> ill test again after dinner
[17:32] <qense> bye!
[17:33] <Volans> newz2000: on VBox I get the wrong IP: <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ck523187-a.dokku1.fr.home.nl.
[17:33] <newz2000> did you do a shift+reload?
[17:33] <Volans> yes many times and is alwais the same
[17:34] <newz2000> Volans: are you using IE? in that case I think it's ctrl+F5
[17:34]  * newz2000 strrts up vbox...
[17:34] <Volans> hitting www.whatismyip.com from VBox say the same IP that I see from the host
[17:34] <Volans> tried also ctrl+f5
[17:34] <Volans> same as above
[17:36] <newz2000> oh, bad news, it works for me in vbox. I hate that.
[17:37] <Volans> newz2000: also for me with oither browsers...
[17:37] <Volans> IE6 is the only one atm
[17:38] <Volans> and the first IP I see is a 7x something
[17:38] <newz2000> that's mine
[17:38] <newz2000> so its jst a cache problem
[17:39] <Volans> oh
[17:39] <Volans> it works now
[17:39] <Volans> server cache problem
[17:39] <newz2000> yeah
[17:40] <newz2000> ok, so based on our limited testing we have a solution that grabs the correct IP address
[17:42] <Volans> and you want to use the ip to make a geolocation?
[17:42] <newz2000> yes
[17:42] <Volans> making a little db where to save those?
[17:46] <newz2000> no, I don't need to save them, the geoip database uses a hash lookup table I can use to get the user's country
[17:46] <newz2000> so I just need to tell it the ip and it will tell me their country
[17:57] <qense> back
[17:59] <qense> woot! there is FF at the server!
[17:59] <Volans> qense: what do you mean?
[18:00] <qense> i cant test it with ie, since the site doesnt work there
[18:01] <qense> it seems to work from behind a proxy
[18:01] <qense> the firts ip was right, i even didnt have to reload
[18:04] <Volans> ok
[18:35] <Volans> I have to go now... bye bye
[18:38] <newz2000> qense: regarding IE, I can't reproduce nor could I see your screenshot
[18:39] <qense> it was img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmpdn8.JPG , i provided a wrong link
[18:40] <qense> wrong link again
[18:42] <qense> i think ive lost the link
[18:42] <newz2000> no sweat
[18:42] <newz2000> I think the solution is the same regardless
[18:43] <qense> switch!
[18:43] <newz2000> I plan to migrate ubuntu.com to the same theme as https://shipit.ubuntu.com
[18:43] <newz2000> I've just got to take the time to do the drupal theme
[18:43] <qense> shitit has got a good theme
[18:43] <newz2000> he he
[18:44] <qense> oops xd
[18:44] <newz2000> I can't tell you how many times I've done that
[19:10] <qense> hello nand
[19:11] <nand> heya!
[19:13] <qense> how's the mailer configured at ideatorrent.org?
[19:14] <qense> i think that the crrent problems i have with the application form are caused by my own system
[19:15] <nand> well, it works (devel.ideatorrent.org sends mail)
[19:15] <nand> you should test locally
[19:16] <qense> i cant get postfix t work
[19:17] <qense> it does get to that stage though
[19:17] <qense> the real problem is the mailer
[19:17] <qense> sendmail was blocked by spamhaus.org, postfix just doesnt seem to work
[19:20] <nand> (I'll be back, dinner time)
[19:20] <qense> have a nice dinner!
[19:39] <nand> qense: you can use the code in brainstorm as an example
[19:39] <qense> it's working now
[19:39] <qense> :)(
[19:44] <qense> I didn't get the activation mail for the account at the devel version. Are you sure the mailer works?
[19:53] <nand> qense: I confirm it's working
[19:53] <nand> just got my replacement email from drupal
[19:54] <qense> ok, that's weird
[19:54] <qense> could you try if the application form works at the devel host too?
[20:00] <nand> qense: which form?
[20:00] <qense> the form you get when you press apply
[20:00] <qense> i made the poster of the first task uncontactable to test that
[20:01] <nand> I don't have a "apply" button here
[20:01] <qense> really?
[20:02] <qense> you are browsing another task than task 1, are you?
[20:02] <qense> and logged in?
[20:02] <nand> I *just* updated the bazaar branch
[20:02] <nand> So I guess you are not using http://ubuntu-wanted-devel.ideatorrent.org/
[20:02] <nand> *NOW* I get the apply button
[20:04] <qense> I finally got the activation mail
[20:04] <nand> me too
[20:29] <qense> the application form works!
[20:31] <qense> well, i'm going to shut down now, bye!
[21:06] <thorwil> newz2000: i have to run now, but just got this up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=tw_intrepid_countdown_05_spiral.png
[21:06] <thorwil> newz2000: the old ibex shape had to go because of possible copyright issues and a broken right horn
[21:07] <newz2000> :-)
[21:07] <newz2000> nice work
[21:07] <newz2000> I can't believe you've done all of those
[21:07] <thorwil> thanks!
[21:07] <thorwil> me neither ;)
[21:07] <thorwil> newz2000: take a look at the bottom for the last 2 columns
[21:09] <newz2000> what's different about the last two cols?
[21:09] <thorwil> newz2000: the 4th column, turquoise/blue is my personal favorite. tomorrow i would like to know which ones can be offered and whether you need another format
[21:09] <thorwil> newz2000: they get brighter towards the end, to support the sunrise idea
[21:10] <newz2000> ah
[21:10] <newz2000> I'll show it to a few others
[21:10] <newz2000> though they probably won't see it until tomorrow
[21:10] <thorwil> newz2000: oh dang! i just notice i forgot something in 4th column, 14 to 10 days
[21:11] <thorwil> the outer dots have the wrong color
[21:11] <thorwil> well, small fix tomorrow
[21:11] <newz2000> yeah, don't sweat it yet
[21:12] <thorwil> good night! :)
[21:28] <ryanakca> newz2000: d'you know of anybody else who could run bzr up for us?
[21:29] <jpds> I've already assigned poor n.g to the task.
[21:29] <newz2000> lamont may be able to, though its nearly the end of his day too
[21:30] <ryanakca> newz2000: okies, thanks :)


[15:32] <dkessel> elfy: do you have the rights to mark bugs against the iso tracker as duplicates? I think I don't - or I don't know where to find it...
[15:34] <dkessel> bug 1440513 is a duplicate of bug 1428256
[15:35] <elfy> done
[15:36] <dkessel> lol. nvm i just found the option. i think we must have marked it at the same time :)
[15:36] <dkessel> thanks
[15:42] <elfy> it's shame that 'user' fails - perhaps we'd be able to look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers and see what reports tracker 'user's are making
[15:43] <dkessel> you mean the "user" page should show a summary of test reports of the user?
[15:44] <elfy> would make like easy for me :)
[15:46] <dkessel> sure, why not
[16:03] <elfy> at least access to it - not sure why that link fails now, suspect at some point it didn't
[18:28] <ianorlin> grr looks like X is completely broken in my mom laptop and the graphics look completely corrupted and am having trouble logging into launchpad from lynx as the display is completely corrupted
[18:29] <ianorlin> should I just apport-collect it after reporting it from my computer to get the info?
[18:31] <elfy> that's what I would do
[18:35] <ianorlin>  thanks elfy
[19:06] <ianorlin> gah launchpad wants to launch a browser for token authentication and the GUI is pretty much entirely corrupted and unreadable.
[19:11] <elfy> in tty1 - use apport-cli --save to a file, then grab the saved file and add it from a working machine?
[19:12] <elfy> or tty whatever obviously, just not 7 :)
[19:13] <elfy> or actually even report it from a working machine perhaps, that's what apport-cli -c implies
[19:23] <ianorlin> elfy it is not a crash but the UI doesn't even have any fonts on it
[19:32] <elfy> ianorlin: not sure what you're trying to do
[19:33] <elfy> I assume you'd manually reported something then wanted to collect from the laptop and then add that
[19:34] <ianorlin> elfy: I am doing a live test and can't apport collect because GUI is really impossible to read
[19:35] <elfy> but want to create a bug?
[19:41] <ianorlin> yeah I manual filed and want to apport-collect
[19:43] <elfy> try apport-cli -u bugnumber
[19:44] <ianorlin> did it said I had to use apport-collect
[19:44] <elfy> and apport-collect bugnumber?
[19:48] <ianorlin> takes me to a launchpad page I can't log into
[19:49] <elfy> ok
[19:50] <elfy> try apport-cli -f --save path/to/file.crash packagename
[19:51] <elfy> then copy the file.crash to something - move it to a usable machine
[19:51] <elfy> then add it from there
[19:55] <ianorlin> done
[19:55] <ianorlin> finally
[19:56] <elfy> \o/
[19:56] <elfy> what image live test? lubuntu?
[19:57] <ianorlin> yes
[19:58] <elfy> sounds nasty wherever it is
[20:03] <ianorlin> yes it is
[20:03] <elfy> just syncing the image - see if I can see the same
[20:06] <elfy> mmm
[20:07] <elfy> when I try and boot that image with vbox I get the pwconv issue
[20:07] <ianorlin> pwconv?
[20:09] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/ustsnL6.png
[20:12] <elfy> seen that 'recently'
[20:15] <ianorlin> argh I also get that with the vga and vmvga backens for virt-manager
[20:17] <elfy> there was definitely a recent issue with that, not able to find the bug though now :(
[20:20] <elfy> flexiondotorg: remember what the pwconv /etc/passwd 0600 bug was?
[20:21] <elfy> ianorlin: wxlmight remember too
[20:23] <elfy> anyway - that's enough Sunday for me ...


[06:43] <jibel> morning all
[06:58] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Friday!
[07:00] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:02] <didrocks> good morning
[07:07] <jibel> hello didrocks
[07:08] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:11] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, didrocks
[07:12] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, bonne demi-journée :)
[07:12] <didrocks> ou on devrait dire, joyeux vendredi midi :p
[07:22] <oSoMoN> merci :)
[08:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:34] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:37] <seb128> lut didrocks, bon vendredi! en forme ?
[08:37] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:37] <seb128> ça va :)
[09:02] <Laney> hullo
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday! how are you?
[09:03] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[09:03] <seb128> hey Wimpress, happy friday to you as well!
[09:04] <Wimpress> And to all of you :-)
[09:06] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel oSoMoN didrocks seb128 Laney and Wimpress
[09:06] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, happy friday to you! how are you?
[09:07] <marcustomlinson> :)
[09:07] <marcustomlinson> I'm happy thanks :) how are you seb128?
[09:07] <seb128> I'm good! trying to not get sidetracked too much so I can wrap the week with things I wanted done checked
[09:08] <seb128> it's hard, I got stucked into unblocking proposed things more than I should have...
[09:08] <seb128> oh well, still useful work!
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128 Wimpress marcustomlinson
[09:09] <Laney> doing goooooodddddd, nice and sunny today
[09:10] <marcustomlinson> seb128: and we're grateful!!
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, sun is back here too :)
[09:12] <didrocks> hey Laney, marcustomlinson, Wimpress
[09:13] <seb128> also yesterday is stopped raining around 8pm, just in time for tennis training, was great being outside and moving/hitting balls :)
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, can you mark http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/b/bubblewrap/focal/s390x to skip to let the new bubblewrap migrate? it's clearly not a regression from the new version seeing the history
[09:17] <seb128> (restarting session, brb)
[09:22] <Laney> seb128: want to do a merge request against lp:~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/ ?
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, can do
[09:24] <Laney> cool beans
[09:32] <seb128> shrug, launchpad, the proposed/default target is wrong, ~ubuntu-archive/britney/britney2
[09:32]  * seb128 tries again
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/britney/update-bubblewrap-version/+merge/376172
[09:34] <seb128> oSoMoN, did you ask robert about the 0ad banner in gnome-software?
[09:38] <Laney> ty
[09:38] <Laney> wouldn't it be good if launchpad had a merge button there
[09:40] <seb128> indeed...
[09:41] <seb128> oSoMoN, can you push your pristine-tar and upstream/latest branches for librsvg?
[09:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, I did, and the version in -proposed displays it, so all good
[09:41] <oSoMoN> (re 0ad banner)
[09:41] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, nice
[09:41] <oSoMoN> I thought the SRU had been published to -updates already
[09:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'll push librsvg branches now
[09:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, confirmed that g-s/proposed shows the banner, though it's center/only half the screen, but that might have to do with the ratio of the image?
[09:45] <seb128> oSoMoN, and thx for pushing :)
[09:46] <seb128> (brb, relocating to a quiet place for a video meeting)
[10:11] <seb128> oSoMoN, sorry I had to drop offline for a bit
[10:12] <oSoMoN> seb128, no worries, still working on figuring out how to update those branches, I thought Philip had done them in his fork, but I was wrong
[10:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, I would recommend doing a checkout from salsa, do gbp import-orig on the newest version
[10:13] <seb128> then rebase debian/master with your changes
[10:13] <seb128> going to be easier than trying to update those
[10:14] <oSoMoN> yeah, but gbp import-orig is complaining that it can't find upstream vcs tag at '2.46.4^{}'
[10:21] <Laney> did you add upstream as a remote?
[10:21] <Laney> git remote add upstream git@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/librsvg.git --fetch  # or something
[10:21] <oSoMoN> no indeed, I just came to this conclusion… /me facepalms
[10:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, git remote add -f gnome git@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/librsvg.git
[10:22] <seb128> or maybe you have it and just need to fetch?
[10:22] <seb128> lol
[10:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, that can wait monday if you had other things to wrap before the w.e or if that's going to take too long
[10:58] <oSoMoN> seb128, https://salsa.debian.org/osomon-guest/librsvg/tree/upstream/latest and https://salsa.debian.org/osomon-guest/librsvg/tree/pristine-tar
[10:58] <oSoMoN> sorry for the delay
[10:58] <oSoMoN> I had to manually merge upstream's 2.46 branch into upstream/latest, no amount of gbp import-orig would do it
[11:08] <Laney> oSoMoN: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9sJPm3ZMFn/ wonder what went wrong for you :(
[11:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, weird... Laney snapped me there :-)
[11:16] <oSoMoN> I must have messed up with my git config…
[11:17] <oSoMoN> anyway, I believe the contents of the upstream/latest branch should be the same, seeing the output of your command
[11:17] <oSoMoN> and gbp pristine-tar worked fine
[11:20] <seb128> brb, restarting my session with the new librsvg :)
[11:24] <seb128> oSoMoN, works fine :-)
[11:25]  * oSoMoN does a little dance
[11:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, any objection to upload to unstable (compared to experimental)?
[11:26] <seb128> Laney, ^
[11:26] <Laney> not in principle but I don't know any of the details
[11:26] <Laney> would recommend #debian-gnome for this of course :>
[11:27] <seb128> I asked there the other day, I'm going to assume it's fine, I tested it and it's a stable serie other distros have
[11:27] <seb128> thx :)
[11:27] <seb128> I though you mentioned experimental though so want to double check with you that I was not overlooking an hint you had
[11:28] <Laney> probably if you wanted to get confidence or something
[11:29] <seb128> right, I think it should be fine now that I tested it, it's a stable GNOME serie no reason to be paranoid there
[11:43]  * Laney looks at gtk reftest failures :(
[11:43] <Laney> hate these
[12:16] <oSoMoN> okay, I'm officially calling it a week, have a great week-end everyone!
[12:27] <Laney> woah
[12:27] <Laney> the sun just passed across a window opposite and directly reflected into my eyes
[12:27]  * Laney can't see much atm
[12:44] <marcustomlinson> Damn sun
[12:45] <Laney> turn it off I say
[12:46] <marcustomlinson> Let’s face it, global warming wouldn’t be a thing without it
[12:50] <RikMills> we need a low power LED version
[16:54]  * Laney is doing abort() based debugging
[16:54] <Laney> it's like printf debugging but generates a shit ton of core dumps
[18:09] <Laney> jamesh: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/867 might want to consider the snap detection stuff in there (fyi)
[18:09] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 867 in gnome-shell "weather: Only require auto-location authorization if sandboxed" [Opened]


[00:13] <twoten> hi there
[00:14] <twoten> I just installed ubuntustudio 10.10 and X won't start, error is screens found but none of them are suitable
[00:14] <twoten> should I even bother with Ustu, I just read that 10.10 no longer has a real-time kernel
[00:15] <twoten> maybe I should just go back to regular ubuntu 10.10
[00:16] <twoten> so I came to this irc channel and I see that no one here gives a damn about U-stu so I should probably just forget about it
[00:20] <twoten> hey Studio 64 looks really good, I think I'll give that one a try!
[00:24] <twoten> I think I'll go back to Ubuntu 10.10 and apply real time patches to my kernel
[00:25] <twoten> this whole U-stu thing has been a total dissapointment!
[18:29] <phaidros> hi
[18:29] <phaidros> is there any chance to get spca1528 get running in v4l1 mode?
[19:09] <holstein> hey phaidros
[19:11] <holstein> googling for spca1528
[19:11] <holstein> and v4l1
[19:11] <holstein> i would say it should be easy to plug in it
[19:11] <holstein> and see if it works or not
[19:45] <phaidros> holstein: spca1528 is included since 2.6.36
[19:45] <phaidros> but the v4l1 api is gone since then as well.
[19:46] <phaidros> it seems thar darn skype thingie only talks v4l1
[23:30] <mouse> hi .. i have jack running and use pulse jack sink.. it works fine.i installed wine 1.2 and set in audio to jack..message appears in jack  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 83.545 msecs JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error, skip cycle JackPosixMutex::Unlock res = 1 and audio fails


[00:03] <wrst> 20.04 is very solid
[00:14] <netritious> wrst I see you are using libvirtd and virt-manager now? Did I read that right?
[00:28] <wrst> Yes that is a miracle drug
[00:28] <wrst> Run the vms on my server netritious and it all feels local on my desktop
[00:53] <netritious> Nice wrst :D


[23:01] <jeroen_> hey everyone. can somebody help me with my setup for 2 monitors. i cant seem to access fglrxconfig..
[23:04] <apparle> Plz help http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3107441.msg202755#msg202755
[23:07] <ep> I simply need to resize a ext3 /home partition.  Can anyone one kindly recomend a gui front end for doing this, preferably qt or kde based?
[23:08] <kubuntuser> ep: gpart live cd
[23:08] <Byron> How do I get rid of KDE and stick to just Plasma-Netbook?
[23:08] <kubuntuser> ep: if it is not a mounted partition, you can use gpart without the livecd
[23:09] <ep> kubuntuser: will the 9.10 install CD do it.  It's what cut it in half in the first place.
[23:09] <kubuntuser> ep: I do not know. I don't use the install cd :-(
[23:09] <ep> half of it is free space now.  So it should be and easy fix
[23:10] <ep> you use gpart right?
[23:10] <Squarc> anyone else having sound problems after upgrading to 9.10 ?
[23:10] <Squarc> this is the solution: http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/2009/08/31/upgrade-alsa-1-0-21-on-ubuntu-jaunty-9-04/
[23:10] <kubuntuser> ep: I think it can do it. I have used gpart
[23:11] <Thundercross> Okay. The suggestion I'm getting in order to get KDE to work is to purge my xorg.conf of all references to Wacom, but the one in /etc/X11 has no such reference to Wacom. Where's the xorg.conf I need to change?
[23:12] <Carbamide> Byron: I've been wondering the exact opposite. How do I get rid of plasma-netbook and just stick to plasma-desktop. I'm running on an eee, but I'm almost always   connected to an external monitor, so the plasma -desktop works better.
[23:12] <kubuntuser> Thundercross: that is it
[23:14] <Byron> Carbamide: Let me know what you find out.
[23:14] <Carbamide> Will do.
[23:20] <apparle> Anyone used the microblogging widget with twitter
[23:22] <christaker> i have kubuntu 9.10 and i've installed kubuntu-restricted-extras but i have no sound with flash player!
[23:22] <christaker> anyone to help me?
[23:23] <Byron> Carbamide: How did you try to remove plasma-desktop?
[23:29] <rockprincess> anyone else experiencing problems with the netbook remix livecd?
[23:30] <Thundercross> kubuntuser, I guess I'll try again. Since the problem apparently fixed itself.
[23:30] <christaker> plz anyone about the flash player problem? it getting me crazy!
[23:31] <Carbamide> Byron: I can't even figure out where the command gets executed. I'm gonna' google when I have time to mess with it.
[23:33] <Logan_Lockwood> Hi, good people!
[23:33] <Logan_Lockwood> Has anyone noticed that Kubuntu new installer is SLOW?
[23:33] <Logan_Lockwood> I mean, not to copy on the disk, but asking to the user about configurarion.
[23:34] <Logan_Lockwood> At least, in alpha 6, it was smooth, but now it seems laggy
[23:36] <cosmic303> hiya all..im havin really big problems after updating from 9.04 to 9.10 ..i dont even get my BIOS screen up. all my screen says is "out of range"
[23:36] <cosmic303> i cant even boot from a rescue cd
[23:36] <cosmic303> anyone care to help?
[23:37] <nomopofomo> can't figure out how to decrypt pgp files in kubuntu karmic
[23:37] <nomopofomo> can't figure out how to import .asc key files either
[23:38] <cosmic303> anyone?
[23:39] <nomopofomo> what's up cosmic?
[23:39] <cosmic303> [00:36] <cosmic303> hiya all..im havin really big problems after updating from 9.04 to 9.10 ..i dont even get my BIOS screen up. all my screen says is "out of range"
[23:39] <nomopofomo> i take it you're on another computer now?
[23:39] <cosmic303> i never had this before..it should at least show the POST?
[23:39] <cosmic303> yes i am
[23:40] <nomopofomo> you might want to check your video cables... if those are fine then i'd recommend checking your videocard and making sure it's properly seated in its slot
[23:40] <apparle> cosmic303: laptop or desktop
[23:40] <cosmic303> ok lemme check that
[23:40] <cosmic303> [apparle]: its a desktop
[23:41] <cosmic303> asus mainboard with geforce gfx
[23:41] <christaker> i've installed flash player pluin with kubuntu restricted extras and i have no sound!
[23:41] <christaker> anyone?
[23:42] <nomopofomo> have you restarted the browser since you installed the plugin?
[23:42] <nomopofomo> do you have soundnormally?
[23:42] <cosmic303> videocard is fine, so are the cables...im really clueless :(
[23:42] <christaker> nomopofomo: yes, also i restarted my system! i have sound
[23:42] <nomopofomo> did you have sound before you installed the plugin?
[23:43] <nomopofomo> oh wait never mind
[23:43] <nomopofomo> i'm reading too fast
[23:43] <apparle> cosmic303: if it had been a problem with linux, you would at least have seen the POST
[23:43] <christaker> nomopofomo: yes i did
[23:43] <cosmic303> [apparle]: indeed...lemme try and replace the videocard...
[23:43] <cosmic303> i have an old geforce2 somewhere..
[23:43] <nomopofomo> christaker: are you saying you have no sound at all now?
[23:44] <apparle> christaker: check if removing pulseaudio makes it work......obviously if you don't need pulse audeo
[23:44] <christaker> nomopofomo: at flash videos
[23:44] <christaker> nomopofomo: i have kubuntu 9.10....will be any problem if i remove pulseaudio?
[23:45] <nomopofomo> i'm not sure, i woudln't recommend it personally but maybe apparle knows more about it than i do
[23:45] <nomopofomo> anyways, anyone know how i can decrypt pgp files in kde like i can in gnome?
[23:45] <apparle> christaker: Or ellse set OSS instead of ALSA but I don't remeber how to do it
[23:46] <apparle> christaker: I dunno.... it was a suggestion only
[23:47] <drakon> Hay, How do i got about running Dolphin as root? can some one tell me the command?
[23:47] <drakon> go*
[23:48] <drakon> Hay, How do i go about running Dolphin as root? can some one tell me the command?
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo dolphin
[23:49] <drakon> Thank you
[23:49] <drakon> I'll try that
[23:51] <drakon> Okay umm that didn't seem to work, I'm using Kubuntu 9.10
[23:52] <nomopofomo> anyone know how to decrypt pgp files in kubuntu?
[23:52] <drakon> I'm trying to edit my samba config file but i have to do it as root
[23:52] <drakon> how do i got about doing that
[23:53] <cosmic303> ok this is weird..i just connected a 17" tft screen and it works...
[23:53] <cosmic303> only my 19" samsung wont display any picture
[23:53] <memenode> Anyone using skulpture KDE style?
[23:54] <apparle> cosmic303: check if monitor is alright
[23:54] <cosmic303> well before the update it was..lol
[23:56] <cosmic303> i just might try to set the resolution to 1280x1024 and 60hz with the 17" and switch back to 19"
[23:57] <drakon> I'm trying to edit my samba config file but i have to do it as root, how do i do that?
[23:57] <cosmic303> type sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf
[23:57] <drakon> Thank you


[00:10] <SpamapS> patdk-lap: for those people, piwik works
[00:10] <jn_> It would appear there are some time interval, if a user visit my site with 10 minutes in-between only the first visit is added to the visit statistic's, while BW etc. is updated.  Must be a parameter somewhere ?
[00:10] <SpamapS> patdk-lap: I understand that desire, I refuse to give google my MX for instance. ;)
[00:10] <SpamapS> jn_: probably caching
[00:11] <jn_> I'am manually manipulating the access log
[00:13] <jn_> http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_glossary.html if you read under "visits" I think an hour is the time interval. Seems strange to me though
[00:14] <jn_> I should read official documentation more often -_-
[00:15] <lickalott> hello all!  I've just rebuild my server and threw 12.10 on it.  When i do a uname-a i get (whats expected) the name of the rig that I chose during installation.  Consequently it's the same name prior to the rebuild.  i've set it up as an samba server (like before) but the hostname isn't being resolved.  i can only \\<IPADDRESS> to access it.  what can i do so that the hostname is recognized?
[00:25] <SpamapS> lickalott: is nmbd running?
[00:25] <lickalott> yes
[00:26] <lickalott> nmbd -D
[00:26] <lickalott> restart it?
[00:26] <lickalott> i also have nscd running
[00:37] <SpamapS> lickalott: nscd doesn't mean anything. you can try restarting nmbd
[00:57] <lickalott> i'm sorry...my client dc'd.  If anyone responded can you please re paste it for me
[00:58] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS> [12/29/12 19:37:10] lickalott: nscd doesn't mean anything. you can try restarting nmbd
[00:59] <lickalott> ahh..thank you!
[00:59] <lickalott> I've done that.
[01:00] <lickalott> here's the weird thing...  I have a batch file that mounts the nfs shares using the hostname  but I can't get to the /servername by itself
[01:06] <lickalott> SpamapS, i'm just gonna go with the script to auto mount.  seems to work with the path.  I may keep diggin but i'm happy for now.  Thanks for the assit!
[02:10] <qman__> Where's the best document on setting up openstack on ubuntu? I've tried it twice now with poor results. The main problem is I only have one server, I just want the tools and system to add more later. And I don't want devstack, I want something designed for production.
[02:23] <pmatulis> qman__: openstack for production would not have just one physical machine so what you're saying doesn't make much sense
[02:24] <qman__> what I mean by that is
[02:24] <qman__> I don't want some cheap hack that can't be patched and maintained
[02:24] <qman__> which is what devstack is
[02:24] <qman__> I want to use updateable, serviceable packages
[02:26] <pmatulis> i've never used devstack so it's hard for me to comment.  it doesn't use regular packages?
[02:27] <qman__> no
[02:27] <pmatulis> strange
[02:27] <qman__> it uses some, but most of it is just a big messy download into /opt
[02:27] <pmatulis> i put o/s on one machine using some instructions i found on the net.  i forget where.  seems to work
[02:27] <mikal> devstack is aimed at developers testing code changes, its really not intended for deployers at all
[02:28] <mikal> qman__: you should be just able to setup each component from packages on the single machine
[02:28] <qman__> I tried devstack first and it was a huge mess and didn't work, so I tried again following a guide on openstack's site, but that didn't work either
[02:28] <mikal> qman__: most of the defaults are reasonable in the packages. The most obvious thing to look at is that some of the packages default to sqlite databases, which wouldn't be a good choice if you intend to grow the deployment
[02:29] <qman__> yeah, I hate sqlite
[02:29] <qman__> the guide I followed was missing pieces of information I had to google for
[02:29] <qman__> and I never did get it working in the end
[02:30] <qman__> so I was hoping someone else has a better one, I found this which looks more promising: http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/basic-install/content/
[02:30] <qman__> but I'd obviously have to modify it for one server
[02:31] <pmatulis> on my todo list is to script-install the thing.  there is an absurd amount of commands to issue
[02:32] <mikal> pmatulis: I think you'll find most configuration management vendors have already done that
[02:32] <mikal> There's existing puppet / chef / juju configs
[02:33] <qman__> the main problem is that, since I've never used it before, I don't know what all the pieces specifically do and how the interact
[02:33] <qman__> so when it's broken, it's just broken
[02:33] <pmatulis> mikal: ah yes, juju.  saw it done.  problem is, you need to understand it first if you intend to maintain it
[02:33] <mikal> qman__: well... that's a much easier question to answer with specifics
[02:33] <mikal> qman__: if you have specific error messages, or questions, then that would be easier
[02:34] <qman__> I got the last one to the point where it was giving me some weird error page in a web browser, that google had no help for
[02:34] <mikal> (Although https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure is a reasonable guide)
[02:34] <qman__> I was at the point where everything was installed and I was trying to get a VM started up
[02:34] <mikal> Ok, that sounds like a horizon problem
[02:35] <mikal> Horizon isn't _required_ for a working deployment though
[02:35] <qman__> right
[02:35] <mikal> Install keystone / glance and nova first
[02:35] <pmatulis> qman__: i suggest using cli before horizon
[02:35] <mikal> Then fancy it up
[02:35] <qman__> I had all the other parts in (I think) and I couldn't get the CLI to load a VM
[02:35] <qman__> so I tried to install horizon and that didn't work
[02:35] <qman__> I had glance and nova and keystone
[02:35] <mikal> qman__: when that happens, the contents of /var/log/nova/nova-*.log is the place to be
[02:36] <mikal> Anyways, I'd start from scratch. Install glance and keystone. Get those working. Then install nova and get it working.
[02:36] <qman__> yeah, I'm going to
[02:36] <qman__> thanks for that link, I'll try that first
[02:37] <mikal> Well, I now realize that link requires maas / juju, so it requires buying into that methodology
[02:37] <mikal> If that doesn't work, you should just be able to install the packages and then configure them
[02:38] <qman__> well, this time I have a whole day to work on it and physical access to the server, so I can start over if things get completely effed
[02:38] <mikal> Cool
[02:38] <mikal> Good luck then
[05:39] <qman__> any known bugs with UEFI causing networking to not work? I'm trying to install from a flash drive because my USB-IDE adapter connected to a CD drive won't boot with the board, and it boots but it won't get a DHCP lease and won't communicate when there's a static IP
[05:39] <qman__> and I put in an old 10/100 card to make sure it wasn't just the onboard card
[06:14] <Skaag> I just upgraded to Precise from Lucid, the machine booted and reached the login prompt, but looks like both the network is down and somehow screwed, and pam is also screwed since I can't login... what might be causing this?
[06:16] <patdk-lap> who knows
[06:16] <patdk-lap> could make guesses all day, but we can't see inside your server from this side of irc
[06:32] <Skaag> I can't either :-)
[06:32] <Skaag> my plan is to ask a friend to go there, boot from the CD and run a rescue
[11:20] <strixbg> hi all
[11:24] <strixbg> I have network config problem with Ubuntu server 12.04 guest in virtual box: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[11:24] <strixbg> Failed to bring up eth0., when trying to restart networking
[11:29] <strixbg> anyone?
[13:15] <samba35> RoyK: hi
[13:20] <Guest53336> i'm just testing lxc on 12.10. How can I configure it to a simple bridge without NAT and DHCP and stuff?
[13:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1039598 in krb5 (main) "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039598
[13:38] <RoyK> samba35: hi
[13:45] <samba35> how r u
[14:16] <RoyK> http://what-if.xkcd.com/25/ <-- flire
[14:16] <RoyK> oops
[14:16] <RoyK> wrong channel
[14:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #918791 in qemu-kvm "qemu-kvm dies when using vmvga driver and unity in the guest" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918791
[16:58] <Joe1301> anyone good at setting up dns I have 3 domains on a ispconfig server I have 2 of them resolve but the 1 domain that is attached to the server name will not resolve....Anyone can help?
[16:59] <Joe1301> the domain is joepros.com
[17:10] <SpamapS> Joe1301: the root servers think joepros.com has its name servers at <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:11] <SpamapS> Joe1301: but <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't reply to queries about joepros.com
[17:12] <SpamapS> Joe1301: it can take up to 3 days for changes to propagate fully due to caching
[17:13] <SpamapS> Joe1301: though the root servers usually are all up to date much quicker than that
[17:13] <SpamapS> Joe1301: so once you change your dns server IP's at the registrar, you can monitor the root servers by doing 'dig joepros.com @k.gtld-servers.net ns'
[17:13] <Joe1301> yes thats the correct ip of the serverer....the server name is ws1.joepros.com I have a joepros.com zone with a record of ws1... I had it resolving yesterday for about 8 hours then it crashed
[17:13] <Rar9> can someone help with dpkg : warning: there´s no installed package matchine nginx:amd64
[17:13] <SpamapS> Joe1301: note that k.gtld-servers.net can be a-l .. I just chose k randomly
[17:15] <andol> Joe1301: Also, pointing ns1. and ns2. to the same ip kind of defeats the whole purpose.
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, did you install nginx?
[17:16] <SpamapS> Rar9: probably a confused dpkg. perhaps try backing up the configs (all in /etc/nginx IIRC) and then installing the package manually (apt-get download nginx:amd64 ; dpkg -i nginx_*_amd64.deb)
[17:16] <Rar9> no I didn´t but I believe it cam with the Plesk Iso that I installed
[17:16] <Rar9> plesk 11
[17:16] <Joe1301> well godaddy wants 2 nameservers and I have only 1 ip
[17:16] <SpamapS> Joe1301: you should really find another server to be your #2. It *sucks* to not have DNS. :)
[17:16] <SpamapS> Joe1301: I've been using twisted4life for a few years, they're fine
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, eww plesk.
[17:17] <SpamapS> Joe1301: also, even better, why not just let professionals run your DNS?
[17:17] <Rar9> yes :-)
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, sudo apt-get install nginx-full
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> do that
[17:17] <SpamapS> Joe1301: godaddy's hosted DNS (which is free) is fine for all but the most demanding needs.
[17:18] <maswan> If you want to run your own DNS, I strongly recommend reading DNS&Bind
[17:18] <Rar9> TheLordOfTime:  nginx-full : Depends: nginx-common (= 1.1.19-1ubuntu0.1) but it is not going to be installed
[17:18] <Rar9> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, your system is screwy
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> did i mention plesk needs to die?
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, sudo apt-get install nginx-full nginx-common
[17:19] <Rar9> NO
[17:19]  * SpamapS actually prefers djbdns personally.. but has given in to the fact that BIND will always dominate :-P
[17:19] <Joe1301> godaddy only does dns with hosting Im not hosting
[17:19] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: plesk makes a lot of money for a lot of people. :p
[17:19] <Rar9> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS, you're saying GUI management of a server is decent?
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS, you and i need to argue in -offtopic about that then.
[17:19] <SpamapS> Joe1301: I have free DNS from godaddy and all I did was register the domain
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> someday.
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, pastebin the full output
[17:20] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: yes I'm saying GUI management of a server when it enables you to charge money and make a living, is excellent.
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> just giving me the error line sucks.
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> s/sucks/isnt useful/
[17:20]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> i need coffee.
[17:20]  * TheLordOfTime shall return
[17:21] <Joe1301> hmm Ill look into it
[17:21] <Rar9> TheLordOfTime http://pastebin.com/QFJ1dPTp
[17:21] <TheLordOfTime> "sw-nginx"
[17:21] <TheLordOfTime> the hell is that
[17:22] <qman__> plesk breaking his system
[17:22] <qman__> because plesk is garbage
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> what qman__ said
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> "sw-nginx"
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> that's not even OFFICIAL
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> plesk broke it, dude.
[17:23] <qman__> they don't even try to fit within the structure of the operating system
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> Rar9, plesk broke it, man, i can't help you with that one.
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> ... although i can fix this php5 FTBFS on my local builders.  that's the sixth time this week...  *diverts attention*
[17:24] <SpamapS> yeah if you're using plesk, you're using plesk's software, not Ubuntu's
[17:24] <Rar9> TheLordOfTime thanks :_(
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> eeyup
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> and we can't help you there
[18:10] <samba35> RoyK:
[18:10] <samba35> RoyK: hi
[18:25] <RoyK> ding
[18:32] <samba35> dong
[18:36] <RoyK> what's up?
[18:37] <samba35> how to use dmg to iso getting error ERROR: Inflation failed
[18:41] <jeeves_moss> what is the best way to externally log for routers?  I would like to set up a syslog server on a Linux box.
[18:50] <patdk-lap> heh? isn't that the best way?
[18:50] <patdk-lap> just configure rsyslog to listen on udp (and maybe tcp), and then have your routers/firewalls/... stream to it
[18:50] <samba35> RoyK: r u there ?
[18:50] <samba35> or any idea on
[18:51] <patdk-lap> personally that is what I do, but in my case rsyslog streams into mysql, and I use a webinterface to search/view it, also several scripts monitor it for stuff, like dos/attacks/...
[18:51] <RoyK> !ask | samba35
[18:51] <qman__> speaking of that, is there a good tool for viewing syslogs like that? every time I've set up syslog to one place it always gets too messy to be useful
[18:52] <patdk-lap> qman, splunk? logzilla? I'm not sure of any current free ones
[18:53] <patdk-lap> php-syslog-ng was free, but it's old now, and not really performance friendly
[18:53] <samba35> when i tryed to convert dmg (apple) image to iso with dmg2img it give me error  "Error:inflation failed "
[18:54] <qman__> hmm, apparently php-syslog-ng became logzilla
[18:55] <patdk-lap> yep
[18:58] <qman__> this one looks alright: http://demo.phplogcon.org/index.php?filter=&search=Search&highlight=
[18:58] <patdk-lap> not sure I have seen that one
[19:01] <patdk-lap> looks alittle raw
[19:02] <RoyK> qman__: seems virtualbox eats thos dmg's nicely without conversion
[19:02] <patdk-lap> samba35 you mean
[19:02] <RoyK> yes, I do
[19:04] <RoyK> but it sent me into an EFI console and failed to install
[19:11] <phillw> a very quick n00b question, if I may.. Why when updating a ubuntu server do I get the message that the linux-header-server, linux-image-server and linux-server are being held back?
[19:13] <patdk-lap> cause your not updating them :)
[19:14] <patdk-lap> upgrade only upgrades things that don't bring in new packages
[19:14] <patdk-lap> those are new, so they are held back
[19:14] <patdk-lap> dist-upgrade brings in new stuff
[19:15] <phillw> patdk-lap: So, as I'm running an 12.04 LTS server, it is pointing out that there is a 12.10 version available?
[19:15] <patdk-lap> phillw, just ignore that, unless you want 12.10
[19:16] <phillw> patdk-lap: the people to whom the VM belongs (Tor) have asked it to run on 12.04 LTS :)
[19:17] <phillw> thanks for explaining :)
[19:18] <qman__> yeah, dist-upgrade is not a release upgrade
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, you can always force those three to install, either with dist-upgrade or specifying sudo apt-get install [packges]
[19:19] <TheLordOfTime> if it pulls in new packages though it holds back
[19:31] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: is there a gain to grabbing the kernel upgrades? I am allowed to reboot the Tor VM when it needs it, but as with servers.... I do prefer 'uptime'.
[19:32] <patdk-lap> uptime is highly overrated
[19:32] <patdk-lap> installing new kernels most of the time means patching root escalation issues
[19:32] <patdk-lap> so normally something you want to do
[19:33] <phillw> patdk-lap: Oooh, when you have a server with hundreds of users, such as an znc-bouncer... they prefer uptime :P
[19:33] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, i don't bother updating the kernel on systems that need to be online.
[19:33] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, you know which system i'm talking about :P
[19:34] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: ^^ :P
[19:34] <patdk-lap> if there is no way a user can run code on the system, and your services are secure
[19:35] <patdk-lap> but if the user can get their code to run on the system, I would be more paranoid of updating the kernel and libs
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[19:46] <qman__> ksplice uptrack
[19:46] <qman__> no compromise, stay up and update at the same time
[19:50] <phillw> qman__: thanks, I'll have a look into that :)
[19:51] <qman__> oracle ruined the website but it's still free for ubuntu and fedora
[19:54] <phillw> qman__: I'm just reading the wiki page. Indeed oracle are trying moneterise a free system that is part of the system :) Next up, they'll be offerring paid for support for MySQL :D
[20:03] <patdk-lap> mysql has always offered payed support for mysql
[20:04] <RoyK> mysql is like "I want to be a RDBMS"
[20:04] <RoyK> postgresql is a bit better ;)
[20:13] <patdk-lap> royk, use oracle sql instead then
[20:19] <RoyK> heh - oracle costs a wee bit more
[20:47] <jeeves_moss> how do I setup syslog so I can log my external routers, etc?
[20:51] <patdk-lap> jeeves_moss, dunno, what syslog do you use?
[20:51] <patdk-lap> and did you attempt to read it's manual?
[20:57] <RoyK> jeeves_moss: modify /etc/rsyslog.conf to listen
[20:57] <RoyK> then your routers can log to t
[20:57] <RoyK> then your routers can log to it


[04:11] <Omnifrog> I should have sent sock puppet to the moon sooner
[04:11] <Omnifrog> err...
[04:11] <Omnifrog> never mind