[00:45] <Unit193> Are backports going to be a thing for Bionic?
[02:23] <RAOF> Unit193: Vs, say, snaps?
[02:23] <Unit193> Not really a 'vs' unless you mean 'vs ignoring the backports queue'
[02:31] <Unit193> RAOF: In the past few releases, there haven't been many people reviewing the queue, so very few things got into backports.
[02:33] <RAOF> This has not escaped my notice as I'm reviewing the SRU queues, yes.
[02:34] <Unit193> Heh, SRU's being more important, and strict of course.
[02:36] <RAOF> I'm not actually sure whose job it is to accept things into backports, either. I don't believe I'm supposed to 😀
[02:37] <Unit193> Nah there's a team for it, but so far it's...Not really had much movement.
[02:40] <Unit193> (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+members FWIW)
[05:40] <tjaalton> seems like the administrators could've done a better job :) most of the pending members left years ago
[09:05] <tarzeau> updated, but i didn't just want to add the complete installer log tarred up, please select which one you want: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1769044
[09:14] <tarzeau> when will the debian2ubuntu archive sync start again?
[11:42] <cjwatson> tarzeau: a few days ago
[11:43] <tarzeau> cjwatson: then it failed to pickup cloudcompare and pushover
[11:43] <tarzeau> or it's lagging
[11:43] <tarzeau> (or the web interface is lagging)
[11:43] <cjwatson> tarzeau: No it didn't - those are both in cosmic-proposed
[11:44] <tarzeau> ah then the debian qa page lags
[11:44] <cjwatson> tarzeau: I don't know which page that is, but it may very well track cosmic and not cosmic-proposed
[11:44] <cjwatson> tarzeau: pushover failed to build everywhere: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pushover/0.0.5+git20180420-2
[11:45] <tarzeau> also possible, thanks for the info though
[11:45] <tarzeau> interesting, also failed for me with manual building.. but i couldn't figure out why
[11:46] <cjwatson> cloudcompare is actually in cosmic already.  it needed a no-change rebuild for a pdal soname change, and that's currently in cosmic-proposed
[11:46] <cjwatson> so maybe whatever page this is in fact tracks bionic and hasn't been updated yet
[12:01] <tarzeau> many thanks!
[15:00] <cyphermox> !dmb ping!
[15:01] <cyphermox> !dmb-ping
[17:26] <NoImNotNineVolt> regarding apache2, say i have a prod ubuntu 14.04 box running apache2 2.4.7 from the repos... and i have a 14.04 dev box, and built apache2 from source... shouldn't i have binary compatibility?
[17:26] <NoImNotNineVolt> i take mod_autoindex.so from the build on my dev box, overwrite the prod box's copy, restart, segfault.
[18:19] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: Define "built from source".  Which source?
[18:19] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: The part where you're building it at all sort of implies you're not using the exact source used to build the packaged version (or you'd just use the packages...)
[18:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> infinity: vanilla upstream
[18:37] <NoImNotNineVolt> but indeed, that's a valid point.
[18:37] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: Then no, that definitely won't provide binary compat.
[18:37] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, i mean, i know i can just use a third party ppa to give me a newer apache2 in 14.04, and i'm still considering that as a fallback..
[18:38] <infinity> Or you could upgrade to 16.04 or 18.04? :)
[18:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> 16.04's apache2 still doesn't have the fix and 18.04 isn't approved for prod by my org yet.
[18:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> but also i wouldn't mind learning something :P
[18:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> e.g. how to shoehorn an updated mod_foo.so into an os-managed apache
[18:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> (which is very hackish, i know)
[18:39] <infinity> Well, if you know the patches required to fix mod_foo, the answer is to take the 14.04 sources, apply the patches to fix mod_foo, build, and go.
[18:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> oh.
[18:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> that makes too much sense :P
[18:39] <infinity> Alternately, backport mod_foo wholesale into the 14.04 source tree, if it's still compatible.
[18:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> thankfully, it's a tiny patch.
[18:40] <infinity> The tiny cherrypick approach is certainly going to be the best option.
[18:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> i guess my problem was starting with the wrong source tree.
[18:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> instead of cherrypicking.
[18:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> advice much appreciated.
[18:40] <infinity> Also, is there a bug filed?  If it's a simple cherrypick and a clear verifiable bug, we could (and should) SRU it for the benefit of everyone who isn't you.
[18:41] <infinity> (Welcome to being part of a community :))
[18:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, debian won't backport it. not sure how you guys would feel. technically, it's a "new feature".
[18:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/bd2ccbb8ef9b783117573cd9452e66b8c7d813fa#diff-e76e37d6c1f852034ce1989fb72c9e72
[18:42] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: Hrm, new feature to restore old behaviour.  That's curiously borderline.
[18:42] <NoImNotNineVolt> backstory: apache2 2.4.0 introduced an unexpected change in the date format of directory indexes generated by mod_autoindex.
[18:42] <NoImNotNineVolt> exactly.
[18:42] <NoImNotNineVolt> i could argue it either way. it's an optional bugfix exposed as a new feature :P
[18:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> of course, for people depending on the traditional output (clients downstream are parsing our indexes, like idiots)
[18:43] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: It's a pretty simple and easily reviewable patch, I don't think I'd be against it in principle.
[18:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> the fact that preserving the traditional behavior is a "new feature" is no consolation :P
[18:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'm really ignorant of how much the ubuntu maintainers do with a package like apache2 vs what upstream debian does.
[18:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> i already discussed this with some debian folks and the consensus is that it would be wishlist priority, extremely unlikely to get backported.
[18:45] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: It's muddy.  I mean, Ubuntu maintainers (ie: me, thom, daniels) were the ones who originally packaged apache2 for Debian.  Since then, participation shifts one direction or the other every once in a while.
[18:45] <NoImNotNineVolt> in that case, brief aside: thank you so much for your work
[18:45] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: But yeah, if we fixed this in an Ubuntu SRU, it certainly wouldn't get fixed in Debian as a result.  That may well still be worth it.
[18:45] <NoImNotNineVolt> having dabbled in packaging, i salute you :P
[18:46] <infinity> Ahh, it's the distant and hazy past at this point.
[18:46] <NoImNotNineVolt> in any case, i doubt it's an issue affecting many people. i mean, it didn't get fixed til 2.4.26.
[18:46]  * NoImNotNineVolt ends up arguing against himself somehow
[18:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> by all means, if you guys want to backport it, don't let me talk you out of it :P
[18:47] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: Heh.  Well, I have a slight bias as someone who does this for a living, but I despise maintaining local forks if I can avoid it.  Cause then I have to rebase on every security update, etc.
[18:47] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: So, if a bug annoys me enough, I'll fix it for everyone.
[18:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, that's the other question i was going to ask.
[18:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> what's apt/dpkg going to do to my .so? presumably it'll just clobber it on every security update, right?
[18:48] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: And hey, if you fix it for everyone, you get your name in a changelog, which is spiffy, right?
[18:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> but presumably something as hackish as a cron job to compare hashes and overwrite with my custom one as needed (and then apache restart) would do the trick, right?
[18:48] <sarnold> you'd probably want to dpkg-hold the package in place and manage every update manually
[18:48] <infinity> You can dpkg-divert the .so out of the way, so dpkg installs its copy to mod_foo.so-ermagerdno instead of clobbering yours.
[18:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, even cleaner.
[18:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> mod_autoindex changes very rarely, and i don't mind just leaving my custom one in there.
[18:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> awesome. thank you so much.
[18:49] <infinity> Still, highly recommend getting it fixed in the distro.  You'll learn something new, be less afraid of doing the same thing in the future, and your infra won't live with hacky forks of packages.
[18:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> hm.
[18:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> so how would that work?
[18:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> i don't know how to submit a pr for a backport :P
[18:50] <infinity> File a bug, provide a patch.  If you want your name on it, provide a debdiff (and I'll work with you to get it uploaded), if you don't care whose name is on it, just a pointer to the commit is good enough for me to go ahead.
[18:51] <infinity> But the most important part is a bug with a testcase.
[18:51] <infinity> (This testcase is, thankfully, simple... enable autoindex, look at dates on a dir, change option, look at dates again, win)
[18:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> this seems like a great easy way to dip my toes into learning a f/loss workflow
[18:52]  * infinity runs off to hunt the elusive pizzabeast, back in a few.
[18:53] <infinity> NoImNotNineVolt: Bug me this afternoon.  I need lunch. :)
[18:53]  * infinity is always keen to turn a local hack into a community submission.
[18:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, i'll have to do this in the evening also. will need to spin up a clean vm for this on my own box.
[18:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> employer is f/loss-friendly but better safe than sorry.
[19:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, i don't understand. trusty has apache2 2.4.7. i have trusty. i `apt-get source apache2`. i end up with source for 2.4.10. am i losing my mind?
[19:22] <Faux> Backports has 2.4.10?
[19:24] <tumbleweed> IIRC apt-get source always gets the highest version available, ignoring pin priorities
[19:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, indeed, i'm an idiot.
[19:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, should i target trusty-backports or trusty?
[19:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> (regarding backporting a "new feature" that exposes a user option to fix a bug introduced in 2.4.0)
[19:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> (which didn't get added until 2.4.26)
[19:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'll just work against trusty's 2.4.7 for now.
[20:55] <mwhudson> morning
[21:16] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: infinity: you can do a git MP now, fwiw, and in theory a server team member can review it and sponsor
[21:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/bd2ccbb8ef9b783117573cd9452e66b8c7d813fa
[21:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's the commit i'm trying to backport. nice and easy.
[21:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> but i figure this is a good opportunity for me to figure out how the whole "contribution" workflow works :P
[21:19] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: snap install git-ubuntu; git ubuntu clone apache2; cd apache2; git checkout pkg/ubuntu/trusty-devel; git remote add upstream https://github.com/apache/httpd.git; git cherry-pick bd2ccbb8ef9b783117573cd9452e66b8c7d813fa; dpkg-source --commit`
[21:19] <nacc> :)
[21:20] <nacc> err, should be a `git fetch upstream` before the cherry-pik
[21:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> oh that's easier than this whole http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html thing
[21:20] <nacc> yes
[21:22] <nacc> I can explain the bits there, if you want
[21:22] <nacc> but the above is the one-liner (almost)
[21:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> .. snap?
[21:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> SNAP - Semi-HMM-based Nucleic Acid Parser (version 2006-07-28)
[21:23] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: https://snapcraft.io/
[21:23] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: no, the packaging format (enabled by default in Ubuntu these days)
[21:24] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: git-ubuntu is shipped as a snap. You can also use git directly, but git-ubuntu does some niceness for you (e.g. clone a srcpkg as above, handle building in a LXD, etc.)
[21:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> oh god. i think i'm installing systemd :|
[21:24] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: are you not on Ubuntu already?
[21:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> trusty.
[21:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> this is for 14.04, remember? :P
[21:24]  * NoImNotNineVolt sighs and blows up that vm
[21:24] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: you don't need to be on 14.04 to develop for 14.04
[21:26] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+git
[21:26] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: if you want to use git directly
[21:26] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: but YMMV
[21:26] <NoImNotNineVolt> i was having enough trouble getting binary-compatibility building on the same os as the target.
[21:26] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: then you're bulding it wrong :)
[21:26] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: as you said, you were building it in the source, not as a package
[21:26] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed. no need to throw extra hurdles in my path :P
[21:27] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: use a PPA
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> i actually built a deb and pulled the so out
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> greatly prefer to avoid a ppa, though that is my absolute fallback
[21:27] <nacc> that seems ... weird
[21:27] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: why?
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> requires a long conversation with cto
[21:27] <nacc> NoImNotNineVolt: if you actually want to contribute to Ubuntu, you have to eventually test a package
[21:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's fine.
[21:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's not the same thing as using a ppa in production
[21:28] <nacc> I never said that
[21:28] <nacc> I don't really care about your company :)
[21:28] <nacc> I'm speaking from the Ubuntu developer side
[21:28] <nacc> you, as a single user, can set up a PPA, build your package there, and can test from there
[21:29] <nacc> I would never suggest doing that for production
[21:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, understood.
[21:29] <nacc> :)
[21:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> i thought you meant use a third party ppa. i found a good one with 2.4.33 for trusty.
[21:29] <nacc> no, that would be a bad idea in production, imo
[21:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> Ondřej Surý has a ppa.
[21:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> seems trustworthy, but still, that's my absolute last ditch option.
[21:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> best solution would be to get the backport into 14.04 eventually, but in the meantime i've gotta get a .so i can shoehorn into my existing server.
[21:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> clients are yelling :P
[21:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> but thanks for the git tip. that's much easier for me.


[00:18] <qman__> I'm getting 403 forbidden on us.archive.ubuntu.com, anyone else having trouble?
[00:20] <qman__> seems to be just this one computer, must be something broken with my apt
[00:55] <qman__> turned out to be a squid problem post-upgrade, had to adjust the config to make it work
[00:56] <qman__> I have a new weird bug though
[00:56] <foo> I have php5-fpm setup on ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS but for some reason I'm getting 500 error with this. Been on this for over 30 minutes and cannot figure it out. Getting this in error log: (111)Connection refused: FastCGI: failed to connect to server "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5-fcgi": connect() failed - that file doesn't exist. Should it? I followed several guides that all said the same thing. Hmm.
[00:57] <qman__> when restarting bind, I get a strange error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8126784/
[00:57] <qman__> this only happens when restarting bind, nothing else
[00:58] <Guest60343> foo: check this http://serverfault.com/questions/437514/unable-to-install-php-fpm-on-apache-failed-to-connect-to-fastcgi-server
[01:00] <foo> Guest60343: thank you, actually, I did that - that's what it is right now, and it still doesn't work. Hmm, that makes sense as to why it doesn't exist then. I don't understand why I'm still getting an error. Thank you for your help!
[01:00] <foo> Guest60343: I followed the same guide, for the record
[01:03] <foo> Following access denied I get this:  FastCGI: incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5-fcgi"
[03:33] <rizzy> hey guys, i would like to set up a wiki page on my ubuntu server. what would be the best wiki code to use
[03:34] <cfhowlett> rizzy, "best"?  use the one the works for your.  mediawiki is used by wikipedia FWIW
[03:34] <rizzy> I need a way to set up "articles" that can be searched by users of my web server. Basically storing how-to's on using Webmail, changing password, setting up Outlook, etc.
[03:35] <rizzy> I don't know if a Wiki would be best, or what would be the best way to approach this.
[03:36] <rizzy> For example, Article 10001 may be telling you how to change password, and accessing it would be through a link like http://support/ViewArticle?id=10001
[03:36] <cfhowlett> rizzy, so essentially it's a blog?
[03:38] <rizzy> Yes and no. The only people posting will be admin's. I would like for people to be able to go http://support and see a list of recent articles and view them.
[03:38] <cfhowlett> rizzy, that's a wiki.
[03:39] <cfhowlett> rizzy, see ubuntu's wikis for an example
[03:39] <rizzy> At our organization we use a web page called Sales Force, and we have an Articles section that contains every possible issue that can arise along with any alerts and they are searchable and viewable. Howto's can be written that has pictures, and PDF/Word docs can be attached.
[03:40] <rizzy> OK I see I found Ubuntu's MediaWiki install. The one I had found didn't work!
[03:45] <rizzy> I will test it out and see if it works for me :)
[03:46] <cfhowlett> rizzy, looks like an interesting project.  best of luck.
[06:59] <apb_> sarnold: Fixed it :)
[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <trijntje> Hi all, I'm running rtorrent on a netbook under ubuntu server 14.04, and even under minimal load (upload of 100KB, no download) the netbook keeps dropping of the network
[07:53] <trijntje> what can be the cause of this? The router remains reachable, and the netbook is connected via ethernet, not wifi
[07:56] <trijntje> I've put a ping to the affected netbook on pastebin here, the weird thing is that when it comes online again the ping time is 300000 ms: http://pastebin.com/s3Ddat2B
[08:07] <rizzy> ok so guys I've run into a problemw with this MediaWiki. WHen I download it, untar, put in a folder, upon the first run it has me set up. So I put in the info it asks for, then it generates a PHP. I place that file on the server. Now when I try to pull p wiki page, its blank.
[14:04] <fridaynext> anyone know of a good hardware channel to discuss pc/server builds?


[00:41] <Onkabetse> Hi,are there any tutorials that can help me get started in developing desktop applications in ubuntu ?
[00:42] <andreasn> Onkabetse: maybe this one: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/gtktutorial/
[00:43] <Onkabetse> andreasn,thanks ,that will get me going .
[00:44] <andreasn> post a e-mail to http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-app-devel-list/ if you have any issues, people are usually pretty quick to help
[08:48] <didrocks> morning o/
[09:32] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:33] <didrocks> hi huats ;)
[09:33] <seb128> lut didrocks huats
[09:33] <huats> hello seb128 and didrocks
[09:33] <didrocks> lut seb128 !


[21:16] <guiverc> thanks ilvipero,   not being at the summit; I was waiting for flavor sync mins to drop :)
[21:37] <ilvipero> guiverc apologies for the delay posting it. 2 weeks sprints and summit were a bit intense :)
[21:38] <ilvipero> I am going to create recurring meeting for 2024 and send it to all flavors. I will post here once the invites are out. And just to make sure we are all in sync, I am going to send an email and IRC reminder one week before the meetings


[05:16] <Templar1949> I recently found that a system(Librarian) using an Intel Core 2 Quad(Q6600) microprocessor can run 64-bit code and the AMD-64 Desktop version of "Jaunty Jackalope".  Is there documentation this topic?
[05:18] <Templar1949> There is no problem, per se, but I found out by "trying" the AMD-64 version on that system, on which I had been running the 32-bit version previously...
[05:18] <Templar1949> Who should I report this observation to?


[11:31] <Seveas> PWill, please don't display public away messages in here
[04:49] <panickedthumb> ok
[04:49] <jenda> @schedule New York
[04:50] <jenda> @schedule New York City
[04:50] <jenda> @schedule WDC
[04:50] <panickedthumb> @schedule EST
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 22 Aug 11:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 15:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:50] <jenda> Thank you ;)
[04:50] <panickedthumb> there we go :)
[04:50] <jenda> @now EST
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Current time in EST: August 20 2006, 09:50:42 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 days
[04:50] <zenwhen> Perhaps I will be able to pop in on the meeting during lunch.
[04:50] <panickedthumb> wait, it's 10:50 not 9:50
[04:51] <panickedthumb> @now EDT
[04:51] <zenwhen> I generally take my lunch break @ 11am.
[04:51] <Seveas> don't use EST when you can use real timezone names
[04:53] <jenda> which would be, in this case?
[05:00] <Seveas> jenda, someting like new_york
[05:00] <Seveas> complete list is on bots.ubuntulinux.nl/timezones.html
[10:53] <lguerra> Hola, de pronto alguno de los que entraron han tratado el tema de control de ancho de banda?
[10:55] <lguerra> Sorry, wrong room


[02:29] <_marx_> hum
[02:29] <holstein> _marx_: you calling a meeting?
[02:30] <_marx_> sure, email it
[02:31] <holstein> email what?
[02:32] <_marx_> oh sorry i was thinking of another conversation
[02:34] <holstein> i was responding to the emial
[02:34] <holstein> email*
[02:38] <_marx_> sure call for a meeting; so i don't have to do all that video editing
[02:38] <_marx_> you
[02:38] <holstein> ?
[02:39] <holstein> i dont follow
[02:39] <holstein> im going to instigate getting a regular monthly meeting going
[02:39] <holstein> but, i cant take it on right now
[02:39] <holstein> im doing that with ubuntustudio, and i have a bunch of other stuff going on
[02:40] <holstein> hopefully by the august or september meeting
[02:44] <_marx_> y call meeting on list
[02:44] <holstein> ?
[02:46] <_marx_> it would be in appropriate for me to assign team contact by a d6
[02:46] <_marx_> we need to have a meeting
[02:46] <holstein> d6?
[02:47] <holstein> amber is the team contact right?
[02:47] <_marx_> would you please suggest this?
[02:47] <_marx_> me now
[02:47] <_marx_> die 6 one dice
[02:48] <_marx_> never did d-n-d eh
[02:48] <holstein> no, i kissed girls ;)
[02:48] <holstein> amber is the team contact right?
[02:48] <holstein> and we have admins that can edit that right?
[02:49] <_marx_> on which site?
[02:49] <holstein> OK
[02:49] <holstein> im not sure what you are or were talking about
[02:49] <holstein> SO
[02:49] <holstein> AFAIK
[02:49] <_marx_> google it on a no cookie system
[02:50] <holstein> there a launchpad account or team page or something
[02:50] <holstein> and you are/were the admin
[02:50] <_marx_> let me get some links
[02:50] <holstein> _marx_: no need for links
[02:50] <holstein> i dont know how to even take that in right now
[02:50] <holstein> its overload...
[02:50] <_marx_> k
[02:50] <holstein> just tell me if im *way* off base
[02:50] <holstein> theres an LP
[02:50] <holstein> you are an admin
[02:50] <holstein> you made dan in admin?
[02:51] <_marx_> owner on LP
[02:51] <holstein> an*
[02:51] <holstein> OK
[02:51] <holstein> that owner can edit the team contact?
[02:51] <holstein> and amber is the current team contact?
[02:51] <_marx_> there is no LP team contact
[02:51] <_marx_> it is nice
[02:52] <holstein> _marx_: has there ever been?
[02:52] <_marx_> yep
[02:52] <holstein> whats the point?
[02:52] <_marx_> not sure about LP
[02:52] <_marx_> well there's the wiki
[02:52] <holstein> whats the LP team contact do?
[02:52] <_marx_> and the new loco directory thing
[02:53] <_marx_> dude
[02:53] <holstein> _marx_: there have been several step up and say they would take it on
[02:53] <holstein> i say, give things to amber or daniel or me or whoever else
[02:53] <_marx_> why on earth would i want to resign
[02:53] <holstein> and make sure that someone has the rights to edit all that
[02:53] <holstein> someone or some persons ideally
[02:54] <holstein> _marx_: if you call a meeting about it, it will be you and me, maybe dan and amber if she can make it.. BugeyeD and coxn might pop in
[02:54] <holstein> i dont think anyone is going to lose any sleep over it
[02:55] <_marx_> right so IRC meetings are....
[02:55] <holstein> but, *if* you need to assign the task, i say just pick one of the folks that have already said it was cool
[02:55] <holstein> OR, just make sure several folks have the rights to assign that later
[02:56] <holstein> but, if you call a meeting, i'll be there
[03:03] <_marx_> gracefully abiding by code of contact.
[03:03]  * coxn pops in
[03:04] <coxn> ping me if you need me. :)
[03:04] <holstein> conduct?
[03:04] <_marx_> not just disappear like the last guy
[03:05] <holstein> right... but, that is correct right?
[03:05] <holstein> some person or persons has admin rights to edit the LP contact?
[03:05] <_marx_> oh geez, yes
[03:05] <_marx_> oh wait
[03:05] <_marx_> no
[03:05] <holstein> but you do?
[03:06] <_marx_> as owner yes
[03:06] <holstein> LP owner?
[03:06] <_marx_> there are several team contacts
[03:06] <_marx_> i am
[03:06] <_marx_> lp owner
[03:06] <holstein> there needs to be another owner if you are going to be MIA
[03:07] <holstein> owners prefferably
[03:07] <_marx_> i'm MIA so
[03:07] <_marx_> well i'm MIA
[03:07] <holstein> im just saying, the LP contact is not the issue
[03:07] <holstein> the issue is the LP owner
[03:07] <_marx_> check those pages
[03:08] <holstein> then, some person or persons can edit these as needed
[03:08] <holstein> can there be more than one LP owner?
[03:08] <_marx_> don't know
[03:11] <holstein> we just need to make sure one or more of the volunteers have admin access
[03:11] <holstein> then, they can deal with it next meeting, or whenever
[03:19] <holstein> _marx_: OK
[03:19] <holstein> so heres a way to get multiple owners
[03:19] <_marx_> yes
[03:19] <holstein> 23:19 < pleia2> you can create a ~ubuntu-northcarolina-ower team and add people you want to be owners to that
[03:19] <holstein> then, anyone in the owner team has owner rights
[03:20] <_marx_> but i have no problem just turning over ownership
[03:20] <holstein> which is the way i think it should go, so there are more than one owner
[03:20] <holstein> _marx_: sure... one of us can tweak this out at some point
[03:21] <holstein> if you just want to hand it off, i say amber or daniel... someone that knows LP, and is around
[03:21] <holstein> BugeyeD is around too though
[03:21] <_marx_> well we have been tweaking for a while now
[03:21] <holstein> coxn
[03:25] <_marx_> cron
[03:26] <_marx_> i've done what i've done or not done; now it is time for someone else
[03:27] <_marx_> to do or not do
[03:27] <holstein> you've done great
[03:28] <holstein> i say, set up that owner group, and when you come back, you're still in it :)
[03:28] <_marx_> not going anywhere
[03:29] <holstein> yeah?
[03:29] <_marx_> no
[03:29] <holstein> then what are we talking about?
[03:29] <_marx_> got you going eh?
[03:29] <_marx_> motivation
[03:29] <holstein> im not following
[03:30] <_marx_> i'm a month behind i've been two months behind
[03:30] <_marx_> passing it on
[03:32] <_marx_> yes money wise i'm in dire straights
[03:33] <_marx_> crude method; piss off a team
[03:33] <_marx_> not my favorite method
[03:34] <_marx_> oh
[03:36] <holstein> so, what are you saying?
[03:37] <holstein> you are not needing to leave?
[03:37] <holstein> were you just messing around?
[03:38] <_marx_> no
[03:39] <_marx_> ur lagging
[03:39] <holstein> yeah, its hard to keep up
[03:39] <holstein> 23:31 < _marx_> not going anywhere
[03:39] <_marx_> right
[03:40] <_marx_> another owner if lp
[03:40] <_marx_> of
[03:42] <holstein> whatever... you need to get *someone* all the admin privs you have
[03:42] <_marx_> give
[03:42] <_marx_> right
[03:42] <holstein> let me know if i can help facilitate
[03:43] <_marx_> spell checking with irssi is working well
[03:46] <_marx_> holstein: yes i think a call for a meeting is in order
[03:46] <holstein> like i said, ill be there
[03:47] <_marx_> i'll compose some in the am
[03:48] <holstein> so, this meeting is for who is taking over as LP owner?
[03:49] <holstein> or about implementing and owner team?
[03:49] <holstein> or just about the LP contact?
[03:49] <_marx_> three and counting
[03:49] <_marx_> LD contact too
[03:50] <holstein> who has had those postitions though?
[03:50] <holstein> seems like we really just need to get your positions filled
[03:50] <holstein> and the other stuff can remaing as-is
[03:50] <_marx_> okay let me go get another beer
[03:50] <holstein> yeah... that'll help ;)
[03:51] <_marx_> well
[03:51] <holstein> i mean, if we dont have an LP contact, we dont ugrently need one
[03:51] <_marx_> there's this loco thing
[03:51] <holstein> you dont need to urgently appoint people before you go, or whatever you are doing
[03:51] <holstein> you just need to make admins
[03:55] <_marx_> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
[03:56] <_marx_> i am trying to not to urgently appoint people.
[03:56] <holstein> what im getting at is
[03:57] <holstein> if you say 'we need a meeting about an LP contact'
[03:57] <_marx_> stick your foot in a yellow jacket nest and see what comes up.
[03:57] <holstein> i say, if we havent had one, then dont sweat it
[03:57] <holstein> just make sure someone has rights to fix that later
[04:00] <_marx_> i'll leave it alone
[04:00] <holstein> so, im not clear on what this is
[04:00] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
[04:00] <holstein> i dont see any admin options anywheres
[04:01] <holstein> i see 'join this team'
[04:01] <_marx_> login
[04:01] <holstein> not sure what thats about
[04:01] <_marx_> new thing
[04:01] <holstein> let me re-login
[04:03] <holstein> OK... im in
[04:03] <holstein> looks like i have permission to set a contact there
[04:03] <_marx_> do it
[04:04] <_marx_> who did you pick?
[04:05] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
[04:06] <holstein> thats the LoCo contact
[04:07] <holstein> so, are you talking about Email:
[04:07] <holstein> No contact email Set contact address
[04:07] <holstein> at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-northcarolina ??
[04:07] <holstein> we could set that to the mailing list addy
[04:07] <holstein> but i think it goes to each of us individually now
[04:08] <_marx_> the lp one has never had a contact
[04:08] <_marx_> i
[04:08] <holstein> right, i dont think it needs one
[04:08] <holstein> if thats what you are referring to
[04:08] <holstein> the email contact
[04:08] <holstein> ?
[04:08] <holstein> rigth?
[04:08] <holstein> right*
[04:08] <_marx_> i'm findng 3 places
[04:09] <_marx_> one on the wiki
[04:09] <_marx_> one on loco
[04:09] <_marx_> and none on lp
[04:09] <holstein> ok, so no LP contact needed then right?
[04:10] <holstein> i just edited the loco one correct?
[04:10]  * holstein looking at the wiki
[04:10] <_marx_> i'm not sure how that carries over to loco
[04:10] <holstein> but any of us can edit the wiki
[04:10] <_marx_> and the new loco
[04:11] <_marx_> yeah i know
[04:11] <_marx_> i just need to go make some sawdust
[04:12] <_marx_> wtf
[04:13] <_marx_> i'll just stop posting to the team list about this and go away; no that is not appropriate
[04:14] <_marx_> if i'm here i'm here if not do what i did
[13:16] <_marx_> hum
[13:17] <_marx_> seems i need to be really crystal clear
[14:01] <internalkernel> _marx_: I thought we just dealt with lp the other day... what did I miss? What didn't we do?
[14:02] <internalkernel> you added me as an admin, I see your listed as the owner - did you want to change that over to me as well?
[14:02] <internalkernel> the team contact on the LP page goes to the mailing list... I don't see a problem with that, do you?
[14:03] <_marx_> let's settle that tomorrow by 3:00 pm
[14:03] <internalkernel> awesome
[14:03] <_marx_> need to comply w/coc
[14:03] <_marx_> code of conduct
[14:03] <_marx_> have a meeting
[14:04] <_marx_> no one shows, and then just do it
[14:04] <_marx_> heh
[14:05] <_marx_> i do have the perspective of a long time linux and ubuntu user
[14:06] <_marx_> this channel is just one example
[14:06] <_marx_> regulars have come and gone over the years
[15:08] <internalkernel> _marx_: why didn't you make me the LP owner?
[15:35] <holstein> internalkernel: i think a good goal is having multiple owners
[15:35] <internalkernel> that would be ideal... however I'd like to just get it changed at this point...
[15:35] <holstein> apparently, the way ubuntu-women is set up, theres an ubuntu-women owner team
[15:35] <holstein> and that team owns the LP account
[15:36] <holstein> well, i dont understand why you or amber or one of the other folks who stepped up when _marx_ said he needed to hand over ownership in the first place are not owners by now
[15:37] <holstein> im unclear as to what the issue is
[15:37] <holstein> and that new owner will have permission to work with the contact if needed
[15:37] <internalkernel> I have permission to work with the contact, you don't have to be owner to do that - only admin...
[15:38] <internalkernel> but the contact on the lp page goes to the team mailing list...
[15:38] <holstein> internalkernel: i think you saw it the same as me then
[15:38] <internalkernel> I don't see an issue with that, do you?
[15:38] <holstein> and i think thats actually preffered
[15:38] <internalkernel> likewise... so ownership of the loco is the issue now.
[15:38] <holstein> right, thats the only issue
[15:39] <internalkernel> and again... why didn't it happen when I was made an admin?
[15:39] <holstein> but, i thought thats what you were getting the other day
[15:39] <internalkernel> draggin it on for the purpose of draggin it on
[15:39] <internalkernel> I did too
[15:39] <holstein> i suppose
[15:39] <internalkernel> and then... we got an email today.. about a meeting and a need for an LP owner??
[15:39] <internalkernel> totally baffled...
[15:40] <holstein> well, that has democratic intentions i assume
[15:40] <holstein> BUT, the 'prediction' about not getting our membership renewed?
[15:40] <holstein> thats unecessary
[15:41] <internalkernel> there's lots that's unnecesary...
[15:42] <internalkernel> puff puff pass, that's all Im going to say...
[15:42] <holstein> lol
[15:42] <holstein> so, what is the worst case scenario?
[15:43] <holstein> _marx_ leaves and doesnt hand over admin ownership
[15:43] <internalkernel> We get someone else to do it... and it takes longer
[15:43] <holstein> we can request that from someone though right?
[15:43] <holstein> if needed?
[15:43] <holstein> from skaet?
[15:43] <internalkernel> right, someone up there in the buntu cloud will be able to do it...
[16:16] <_marx_> puff, puff, pass that _is funny
[16:19]  * _marx_ feels better now
[16:19] <_marx_> yall be good now


[12:16] <joejaxx> has anyone constant resizing on some application dialogs? like Save As in gimp or leafpad?
[12:16] <joejaxx> has anyone noticed*
[12:17] <joejaxx> on feisty of course
[12:18] <TheMuso> joejaxx: No.
[12:18] <TheMuso> I barely use GUI as it is.
[12:18] <joejaxx> oh ok
[12:19] <ajmitch> joejaxx: using some crackful window manager?
[12:20] <TheMuso> heh
[12:20] <joejaxx> lol
[12:22] <_MMA_> ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/423086 (las=Paul Davis Ardour dev) Ive sent off a email to Free to see if we can get something done.
[12:24] <joejaxx> i wonder why branding was deleted off the launchpad distro pages
[12:25] <joejaxx> with the switch to launchpad 1.0
[12:25] <sharms> ScottK: pid files are created however you want to create them
[12:25] <sharms> ScottK: for instance, in python, I use the os module to figure out my pid, and then I will write that pid to /var/run/myprogram.pid
[12:26] <sharms> ScottK: rinse wash and repeat for any language really
[12:44] <gnomefreak> using dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz command in the file for repo. now do i upload teh .gz file or the packages themselves?
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Both.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty
[02:09] <zen> Hey, I'm having some trouble recompiling the mail-notification package.  Where could I paste a log and maybe someone could point me to a fix if it's trivial?
[02:10] <TheMuso> !pastebin | zen
[02:10] <ubotu> zen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:10] <zen> Should I toss up the entire thing, or just the end parts near the error?
[02:12] <zen> Here's the end bit.
[02:12] <zen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796/
[02:12] <TheMuso> zen: Whatever you think may be relevant to work out what the problem is.
[02:12] <zen> I put up the last section.
[02:13] <zen> Seems like there are multiple errors, but I don't know if it's a cascade.
[02:13] <zen> I make it just by "apt-get source mail-notification", removing the "--disable-ssl" line from debian/rules, and then just "debuild".
[02:16] <TheMuso> zen: Have you tried changing --dsiable-sll to --enable-ssl?
[02:17] <TheMuso> Other than that, I am no C expert.
[02:18] <zen> Nope.  I'll try it.  (Though according to docs, that's the default.)  As a side note, the raw source package from the author compiles fine.  But the debian/ubuntu packages have some extra integration stuff.
[02:21] <zen> well, --enable-ssl didn't help, but I just --disable-evolution'd it, and it works now, I think....
[02:25] <zen> okay...totally different error...
[02:25] <zen> dh_install -pmail-notification-evolution debian/tmp//usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/org-gnome-mail-notification.eplug
[02:25] <zen> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp//usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/org-gnome-mail-notification.eplug': No such file or directory
[02:25] <zen> Any ideas to fix that?
[02:29] <TheMuso> zen: You need to go into the debian directory and remove any references to that file that can't be found. Since you disabled evolution stuff, that file is no longer being built.
[02:30] <zen> There's a lot of files in there...I should just hunt for it in all the files or is there a likely place to find it?
[02:31] <zen> (and there's a separate mail-notification-evolution package, so its kinda weird that its stumbling on evolution stuff...)
[02:34] <zen> is it possible mail-notification-evolution is build with the same deb files as mail-notification ?
[02:44] <TheMuso> zen: The dpkg command, particularly dpkg -S for searching for what files belong to what packages, as well as the grep  command to find text in files are your friends.
[02:51] <zen> Okay, suppose the same deb-source file is being used for two packages...how does debuild know which one to build?  Because it looks like it's trying to build mail-notification-evolution instead of just mail-notification (since those dh-install commands are in the rules for mail-notification-evolution).
[02:51] <TheMuso> !packagingguide | zen
[02:51] <ubotu> zen: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[02:52] <TheMuso> zen: The packaging guide will help you work out just how a lot of stuff works in Debian package building.
[02:52] <zen> Oh....thanks!
[03:00] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: That's a bad thing?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: ive packaged it over 15 times since friday
[03:01] <gnomefreak> but getting to be fun :)
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Isn't it already in Debian?
[03:02] <jmg> hmm
[03:02] <gnomefreak> yes but thiers wouldnt build for us due to messed up patches
[03:02] <jmg> icedove being packaged as a totally FOSS alternative to thunderbird?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> we fixed 3 patches and used seamonkey source with debian dir.
[03:02] <jmg> i thought mofo got on better with ubuntu
[03:03] <jmg> whats the rationale to include icedove and thunderbird other than for foss bigots?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> oops
[03:03] <gnomefreak> not icedove iceape
[03:03] <jmg> iceape = seamonkey on ice?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> debian refused to agree to mozillas requirements
[03:04] <gnomefreak> icedove == thunderbird with name and icon changes
[03:04] <Flannel> jmg: yes
[03:05] <jmg> ok
[03:05] <jmg> now
[03:05] <jmg> i think that iceweasel should alter the about:mozilla page to complain about their trademark policy
[03:06] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I still think iceweasel shouldve gone with antartica centered the globe.
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i will have testing repo open for ff3 and iceape in the next couple days
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Flannel: agreed :)
[03:06] <gnomefreak> that sounds nicer
[03:07] <jmg>              complain about their trademark policy
[03:07] <jmg> er
[03:07] <jmg> about:love - Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra when suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok be back tomorrow its bed time
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:32] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[03:33] <bddebian> Hi Jucato, Hobbsee
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: saw my post? :D
[03:34] <Hobbsee> looks good, from glancing at it just then
[03:43] <Fujitsu> PHP4 is dead, get over, stupid people.
[03:43] <Fujitsu> *get over it
[03:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dont read the forums.  it will do you lots of good.
[03:44] <Fujitsu> I made the mistake of responding to the thread about PHP4's removal a number of weeks ago.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: silly
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Duh.
[03:55] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:57] <joejaxx> bddebian: doing some initial packaging on it :)
[03:59] <bddebian> joejaxx: ?? You mean kdrive?
[03:59] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:00] <joejaxx> ajmitch: it is?
[04:00] <joejaxx> i must have overlooked it then
[04:00] <joejaxx> because i thought it was not in the repository
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah, xephyr is (based on kdrive)
[04:01] <joejaxx> ahh xephyr
[04:01] <ajmitch> I think kdrive used to be
[04:01] <ajmitch> given that there are source package records in launchpad
[04:01] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:01] <ajmitch> xserver-kdrive | 6.6.1+cvs20060804-0ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources
[04:02] <joejaxx> it was removed from feisty
[04:04] <ajmitch> correct
[04:04] <ajmitch> it was also removed from debian
[04:05] <Fujitsu> Er, why is dmsetup trying to being installed in buildd builds?
[04:05] <ajmitch> dependency chain
[04:05] <joejaxx> ajmitch: so that is probably why then
[04:05] <Fujitsu> And it tries to execute initramfs-tools on installation, and that's not installed, so the world explodes.
[04:06] <joejaxx> are there any package removal logs?
[04:06] <ajmitch> e2fsprogs->libblkid1->libdevmapper1.02
[04:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: wrong
[04:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it was spotted & already fixed
[04:06] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Good to hear.
[04:06] <ajmitch> since it would cause the world to explode, just before a major freeze
[04:06] <Fujitsu> This is true.
[04:07] <ajmitch> now it only calls initramfs-tools if it exists
[04:07] <jmg> why did kdrive get removed?
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Well, that obviously hasn't propagated to the buildds yet.
[04:07] <joejaxx> jmg: that is why i asked if there were any package removal logs :P
[04:09] <jmg> Fujitsu: why?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> They're uninstallable and broken.
[04:10] <jmg> isnt that in main for edubuntu?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[04:10] <jmg> sooo.. fix?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Not going to happen.
[04:10] <jmg> because?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> That would require a SVN snapshot, which is not meant for release.
[04:11] <Fujitsu> The changes are inconceivably large.
[04:11] <ajmitch> jmg: because of various things upstream, stuff can't magically stay in main
[04:11] <jmg> is it python2.5/zope related?
[04:11] <ajmitch> zope3.3 related
[04:11] <Fujitsu> jmg: It wants an older Zope.
[04:11] <ajmitch> API changes
[04:11] <bddebian> w00t
[04:11] <jmg> ajmitch: older zope blocked why?
[04:11] <bddebian> Hmm, I think I expire tomorrow..
[04:12] <ajmitch> jmg: because it was written with older APIs in mind, which were changed
[04:12] <jmg> bddebian: i'll send your family a card
[04:12] <ajmitch> since zope 3.x is a moving target still
[04:12] <jmg> ajmitch: i mean, why cant the older zope required by schooltool live on?
[04:12] <bddebian> jmg: Sweet thanks
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Haha, I like the new time display system:
[04:13] <jmg> surely edubuntu should have the latest stable schooltool
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Ankur Kotwal   	 2005-08-30   	 in 21 hours   	Approved
[04:13] <Fujitsu> jmg: Which stable schooltool?
[04:13] <Fujitsu> There's no such thing.
[04:13] <ajmitch> because zope 3.2 can't be installed alongside 3.3
[04:14] <ajmitch> so the only option would be to downgrade zope
[04:14] <jmg> "cant"
[04:14] <Fujitsu> bddebian: You have 46 hours remaining, so not toooo bad. You'd better mail The Council.
[04:14] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: he doesn't need to
[04:15] <Fujitsu> Is there some new automatic renewal law I didn't see?
[04:15] <ajmitch> no
[04:15] <ajmitch> it's already been discussed on the MC list
[04:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: jinty did prepare beta schooltool packages that didn't depend on schoolbell
[04:20] <Fujitsu> OK, but do we really want to release them?
[04:23] <ajmitch> it'd require a bunch of new packagesa
[04:23] <Fujitsu> That's unlikely to happen.
[04:25] <ajmitch> sad but true
[04:26] <Fujitsu> They should have a release for Feisty+1, so we're only without it for Feisty.
[04:26] <ajmitch> considering that a big thing on the schooltool frontpage is being part of edubuntu..
[04:27] <ajmitch> "new release soon", back in october
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Yes, the lack of progress is rather unfortunate.
[04:28] <Fujitsu> But it should speed up a lot once they've got it deployed in the test schools.
[04:32] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[04:32] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> work is driving me around the bend
[04:33] <micahcowan> Does the SixQuoteEscape sometimes fail to work on Moin, and is there an alternative (for some reason, in one or two contexts it is causing a bold-face toggle, like ''')
[04:33] <micahcowan> ?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> ``
[04:34] <Burgundavia> do that
[04:35] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: oh that's ok, work is supposed to do that for you
[04:35] <micahcowan> Thanks very much; where do I place that (within the CamelCaps "link"?), and is this documented somewhere in wiki.ubuntu.com's help pages (not in HelpOnLinking, AFAICT).
[04:35] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: no, not like this
[04:37] <micahcowan> (I now have the answer to the first part)
[04:40] <bddebian> Jesus, this frickin' Dell XPS is HUGE
[04:40] <bddebian> But at least it has sexy neon blue lights :-)
[04:41] <_MMA_> bddebian: LOL A friend just got one. It is a monster.   It's bigger than an old Proliant 3000 box
[04:42] <_MMA_> :)
[04:42] <crimsun> dang, wealthy folk here
[04:43] <_MMA_> crimsun: pfftt.. You could have one. Pull some of that cash out of the mattress. :)
[04:43] <jmg> bddebian: your definition of sexy is disturbing
[04:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:01] <ScottK> crimsun: Are you available to help me with my clamsmtp pid file problem?
[05:02] <crimsun> ScottK: not really, but what's the gist?
[05:02] <ScottK> The gist is that I could find no pid related differences between the dapper and feisty packages, so I took the feisty source package and built it on my dapper box and it made a pid file just fine.
[05:03] <ScottK> So, crimsun, who (which package) do I blame or hints on how to figure it out?
[05:04] <crimsun> hmm, does the initscript check for the existence of /var/run [and /var/lock if necessary]  first?
[05:04] <ajmitch> and any needed subdirectories under them
[05:04] <ScottK> The init script doesn't make the pid file.  Clamsmtp does.
[05:04] <crimsun> the only other major change I can think of would be upstart
[05:05] <ScottK> That's what I was thinking, but I don't know nearly enough to have any idea.
[05:05] <ScottK> Since that came in with edgy and it's broken on edgy and feisty, it would fit.
[05:09] <ScottK> The only error that gets logged is 'clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: No such file or directory'
[05:10] <crimsun> does invoking clamsmtpd manually create the pid file properly?
[05:12] <ajmitch> ScottK: right, so what creates the directory /var/run/clamsmtp?
[05:13] <ajmitch> remember that /var/run gets emptied on boot (tmpfs)
[05:15] <ScottK> well the directory doesn't get made.
[05:15] <ScottK> The debug isn't a lot of help:
[05:16] <ScottK> clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: No such file or directory
[05:16] <ScottK> clamsmtpd: wrote pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid
[05:16] <ScottK> But when I look, neither the PID file nor the directory are there.
[05:16] <ScottK> I guess I need to hunt through the clamsmtp source and find where it thinks it's making the directory...
[05:21] <ajmitch> ScottK: the initscript (if any) must make it
[05:21] <ajmitch> it must be recreated on each bootup
[05:23] <ScottK> ajmitch: OK.  I believe you, but I don't see where it does it.  Is start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile ${PIDFILE} etc...  supposed to create the pid file or just look for one?
[05:24] <ajmitch> no, it won't create it
[05:24] <welshbyte> --make-pidfile does that
[05:24] <ajmitch> you create the directory
[05:24] <ScottK> That's the only place in the init the pid file gets mentioned on start.
[05:26] <ajmitch> ScottK: yes, and it's as simple as 1 line to make the directory
[05:26] <ajmitch> [ -e /var/run/clamsmtp ]  || mkdir -p /var/run/clamsmtp
[05:35] <ScottK> ajmitch: This is progress.  "clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: Permission denied"  Thanks.
[05:37] <ScottK> That I knew how to fix....
[05:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:37] <ajmitch> you could replace mkdir with install -d -o someuser
[05:38] <ScottK> Any clues why this wasn't necessary on Dapper, but is on Edgy/Feisty?  I'd like to understand a bit of what's going on here...
[05:39] <ajmitch> because /var/run wasn't a tmpfs on dapper
[05:39] <ajmitch> since then initscripts have needed to be changed if they used directories under /var/run
[05:41] <ScottK> Thanks.  Makes sense.  install -d -o works nicely too.  Appreciate the assistance.  I'll do up a new patch now.
[05:42] <ajmitch> np
[06:11] <ScottK> OK.  The revised patch to fix Bug #102470 and Bug #102391 is uploaded to Bug #102470.  If anyone from U-U-S can take a look at it, I'd appreciate it.  I'm off to bed.  Thanks again ajmitch and crimsun for all the help.
[06:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[06:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[07:12] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[07:26] <dholbach> heya Fujitsu
[07:33] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[07:34] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: want to email the TB about bddebian?
[07:34] <ajmitch> unless it's already been done
[07:34] <dholbach> why me? :)
[07:35] <ajmitch> because I'm going out soon :)
[07:35] <dholbach> ok
[07:35] <ajmitch> I should really find out..
[07:40] <ajmitch> ah good, 50 minutes :)
[08:05] <don_j> I'm gonna edit my startup-files. Any information/manual about the ubuntu startup files?
[08:06] <imbrandon> upstart.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <don_j> nice site
[08:31] <RAOF> I've got a mail from launchpad's buildd's, with an chroot problem when building banshee.  Is there anything I need to do?  Should I contact the buildd admins?
[08:37] <Fujitsu> RAOF: It's a known issue. All the chroots are broken at the moment.
[08:37] <RAOF> Ok.  Thanks.
[08:38] <RAOF> (Is there anywhere where this information is shown?)
[08:38] <Fujitsu> No.
[08:38] <viviersf> is any1 else having problems with debootstrap ?
[08:50] <siretart> hi folks
[08:50] <siretart> ajmitch: around?
[08:50] <RAOF> Hey siretart.
[08:50] <siretart> hi RAOF
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Hi siretart.
[08:51] <siretart> hi Fujitsu
[08:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:55] <RAOF> Afternoon imbrandon!
[08:56] <imbrandon> 2m not afternoon :)
[08:56] <imbrandon> am*
[08:56] <RAOF> Maybe not for you :)
[09:04] <jml> heh heh
[09:04] <jml> the nightmarish, flickering glow
[09:04] <RAOF> Well, no, not really :)
[09:15] <joejaxx> hello everyone :)
[09:57] <\sh> moins
[10:49] <sacater> mroning all
[10:49] <sacater> morning*
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Hi sacater.
[10:52] <gnomefreak> is it hard to generate a Release.gpg for a repo?
[11:46] <ajmitch> siretart: here now :)
[11:55] <jekil> hello
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: I've noticed some requests for new packages assigned to motu-uvf. I remember that we agreed on that, but I don't remember the acceptance policy for new packages
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: could you refresh my memory please? ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> it was *meant* to be until beta freeze
[12:13] <ajmitch> but I don't know if we're sticking to that or not :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> eg daniel putting in requests for packages :)
[12:14] <siretart> e.g. I'd love to have sauerbraten in feisty (can be synced from debian/contrib)
[12:14] <siretart> but I don't know if that would fit our policy of new packages
[12:15] <ajmitch> dholbach: opinions? :)
[12:15] <dholbach> tollef said he was fine with that
[12:16] <dholbach> ajmitch: ^
[12:16] <ajmitch> ok
[12:16] <Fujitsu> It's not going to kill anything.
[12:18] <AstralJava> dholbach: I know you must be super-busy, but can you take a look at ubuntustudio-sounds in REVU? TheMuso has ACKed it once. It needs a 2nd one as it's a new package, no?
[12:18] <dholbach> AstralJava: please ask somebody else
[12:18] <AstralJava> dholbach: Okay thanks!
[12:18] <dholbach> AstralJava: either ping in here or ask on ubuntu-motu@
[12:18] <dholbach> sorry
[12:18] <AstralJava> No prob. :)
[12:19] <AstralJava> Is there a kind and not-so-busy MOTU in here who could take a look at ubuntustudio-sounds in REVU? We need a second ACK for it, to file an exception bug. It'd mean a lot to UbuntuStudio project if we got our artwork packages into universe for Feisty. Thanks! :)
[12:57] <LongPointyStick> AstralJava: you might want to put the URL for it?
[12:58] <AstralJava> Okay sorry. :) I'll add those.
[01:00] <LongPointyStick> (into here)
[01:02] <AstralJava> LongPointyStick: For ubuntustudio-look http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4778
[01:02] <AstralJava> For usplash-theme-ubuntustudio http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4782
[01:03] <AstralJava> For ubuntustudio-sounds http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4780
[01:03] <AnAnt> how can I request a sync for feisty+1 ?
[01:04] <StevenK> You can't.
[01:04] <AnAnt> ok
[01:04] <AnAnt> nor feisty ?
[01:04] <StevenK> At least, not until after Feisty has been released.
[01:05] <AnAnt> ok
[01:06] <AnAnt> StevenK: I have another problem, a package used to work in Edgy, now doesn't work in Feisty
[01:06] <AnAnt> and I dunno what's the reason
[01:06] <StevenK> AnAnt: Which package, and is there a bug?
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: no, there's isn't a bug, the package is acon
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: I'm the maintainer btw
[01:07] <StevenK> Can you explain how it doesn't work?
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: this package works in virtual console, some key combinations don't work anymore (like CTRL+ALT+O)
[01:09] <StevenK> Ah nice, 1.5.0-0ubuntu3 == 1.5.0-2
[01:10] <AnAnt> no, they are not the same
[01:10] <AstralJava> For ubuntustudio-icon-theme http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4783
[01:10] <AnAnt> oh
[01:10] <AnAnt> yes
[01:10] <StevenK> In terms of changes made, they are.
[01:10] <AnAnt> I thought you meant ubuntu3=ubuntu2
[01:10] <AnAnt> yes, -0ubuntu3 == Debians -2
[01:11] <AnAnt> StevenK: can there be a reason why it doesn't work in Feisty ? Can it be kernel related or what ?!
[01:11] <StevenK> Ctrl-Alt-O works for me.
[01:11] <AnAnt> StevenK: what do you get ?
[01:12] <AnAnt> StevenK: a blue screen ?
[01:12] <StevenK> No, I get "Acon is loaded"
[01:12] <AnAnt> StevenK: yes, it does load, but some key combinations don't work
[01:13] <StevenK> Ctrl-Alt-O works, can I have more examples? :-)
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: a menu screen is supposed to appear when you press CTRL+ALT+_
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: a menu screen is supposed to appear when you press CTRL+ALT+O
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: but what happens is I get some wierd character typed instead
[01:14] <AnAnt> btw, it is the leftCtrl+leftAlt+O that I am talking about
[01:14] <StevenK> Yes.
[01:14] <StevenK> However, I have no idea how to debug it.
[01:14] <AnAnt> StevenK: yes what ?
[01:16] <StevenK> AnAnt: Okay, does that key combo work with 1.5.0-2 in Debian unstable?
[01:16] <AnAnt> StevenK: I didn't try it in Debian
[01:17] <AnAnt> but it did work in Edgy
[01:17] <AnAnt> it did work with -0ubuntu3 in Edgy
[01:17] <StevenK> I'm curious if it works if I rebuild -0ubuntu3
[01:18] <AnAnt> what difference should that make ?
[01:19] <StevenK> I'm trying to narrow down where the problem is.
[01:19] <AnAnt> StevenK: ic
[01:43] <AstralJava> Minor update: ubuntustudio-icon-theme can now be found at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4784
[01:47] <illovae> hello
[01:54] <ScottK> The revised patch to fix Bug #102470 and Bug #102391 is uploaded to Bug #102470.  If anyone from U-U-S can take a look at it, I'd appreciate it.
[01:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[01:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[01:57] <crimsun> nice. If someone else doesn't process them first, I'll get to them in 90 minutes after lecture.
[01:59] <illovae> !seen LaserJock
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen laserjock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll let you know if they're still waiting for someone.
[01:59] <TheMuso> crimsun: I'll still be around. Ging to do a late nighter.
[02:05] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:05] <BugMaN> Hi DarkSun88 :)
[02:05] <DarkSun88> Hi BugMaN
[02:07] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee!
[02:08] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF.
[02:08] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso.
[02:08] <RAOF> I'm just marvelling at the changelog for compiz -1ubuntu13
[02:09] <RAOF> gandalfn appears to be trying to import 0.4.0 git patch by patch :(
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[02:09] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hi RAOF
[02:13] <RAOF> Woah, cool.  That didn't break ABI!
[02:15] <jdong> RAOF: hehe I was making that comment in another channel yesterday :D
[02:15] <jdong> looked like a comical case of circumventing UVF :)
[02:16] <RAOF> :S
[02:17] <StevenK> I've figured out how to do everything I want except domain rewriting
[02:18] <zul> night ajmitch
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Night ajmitch.
[02:19] <Yagisan> goodnight ajmitch
[02:21] <Yagisan> wow
[02:21] <Yagisan> I bought a logitech mx610 mouse today
[02:21] <Yagisan> it has a lot of useless buttons
[02:22] <Yagisan> one has an picture of an envelope on it - I push the button, and evolution loads
[02:22] <Yagisan> I am impressed
[02:25] <AstralJava> I could never use those, I accidentally push just the sole extra scroll button. :)
[02:28] <Yagisan> I've never had any extra button work before
[02:28] <Yagisan> I was just impressed that on does work
[02:29] <Yagisan> now to remap them to the things I use most
[02:58] <EtienneG> good <time of day>, everybody
[02:59] <EtienneG> I would need a sponsor for an upload, got a UVF exception
[03:06] <ded_> hi
[03:06] <ded_> does someone could explain me the difference bethween the same package in two dist using deb?
[03:16] <crimsun> EtienneG: details, please?
[03:18] <EtienneG> crimsun, it's bzr-gtk 0.15.2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-gtk/+bug/102548
[03:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 102548 in bzr-gtk "UVF exception for 0.15.2" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:18] <EtienneG> I have uploaded my package at people.ubuntu.com/~etienne/bzr-gtk
[03:30] <crimsun> bug 102548
[03:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 102548 in bzr-gtk "UVF exception for 0.15.2" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102548
[03:30] <crimsun> ^ EtienneG
[03:30] <EtienneG> crimsun, thanks a lot !
[03:31] <crimsun> thank _you_!
[03:31] <ScottK> crimsun: No one jumped on Bug #102470, so if you'd have time to upload, I'd appreciate it...
[03:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[03:32] <crimsun> ScottK: looking
[03:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:34] <AstralJava> I hope this won't be taken as flooding, but I'm still looking for a second MOTU to ACK these packages in REVU: ubuntustudio-icon-theme http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4786, ubuntustudio-sounds http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4780, usplash-theme-ubuntustudio http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4782, and ubuntustudio-look http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4778.
[03:35] <crimsun> bug 102470
[03:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[03:35] <crimsun> ^ ScottK
[03:35] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll keep an eye one it and update the bugs accordingly.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> AstralJava: poke
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Is it to do with the packages he wants reviewed?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I may be able to help. Whats up?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> was just looking for where they were
[04:32] <TheMuso> oh ok.
[04:33] <_MMA_> Hobbsee: Thanx for any help you give us. :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> looks clean
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ooh, wow.  command not found in action
[04:37] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: ?
[04:39] <TheMuso> oh
[04:40] <bahadunn> howdy
[04:42] <AstralJava> Hobbsee: Hi there. :)
[04:43] <bahadunn> how long does it take for bugs to be closed after it is resolved?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bahadunn: the length of time in which it takes for someone who knows how to close bugs, to see it.
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:47] <bahadunn> howdy
[05:20] <ScottK> If a package FTBFS because of a problem not related to that package, do I need to do anything or does it eventually get rebuilt?
[05:21] <ScottK> My new clamsmtp package fails because of dpkg: error processing libdevmapper1.02 (--configure): on all the archs it's built on so far.
[05:22] <jdong> what was that fancy apport-ish command for opening a bug report against a package?
[05:23] <ScottK> Was that a separate question or a hint I ought to go open a bug against libdevmapper?
[05:24] <bahadunn> I think I have a patch for bug #67429
[05:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 67429 in mrename "mrename breaks due to wrong shebang" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67429
[05:25] <bahadunn> that was interesting
[05:29] <ScottK> bahadunn: You need to attach the patch to the bug.
[05:30] <ucap> what do I need to do once I have added a patch to a bug? Do I have to notify someone and if so, who do I get in touch with?
[05:31] <Adri2000> ScottK: it's a known problem of devmapper, and a fix has been uploaded
[05:32] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  Then I guess someone should update the bug.  Thanks.
[05:32] <Adri2000> ucap: subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[05:32] <\sh> bahadunn: s/\#\!\/bin\/sh/\#\!\/bin\/bash/
[05:33] <ucap> Adri2000: okay, that's it? how long will it take for them to have a look at it?
[05:34] <Adri2000> ucap: it will be faster if you give us the bug number here
[05:35] <bahadunn> ScottK: yeah I need to sign up first though
[05:36] <ucap> Adri2000: that's a good idea - so someone else can take a look at it, because those were the first two bugs I (hopefully) fixed. just a second - will look up the numbers
[05:37] <ucap> #83673 and #92432
[05:38] <Adri2000> bug #83673 #92432
[05:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 83673 in sendmail "Misleading emphasis" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83673
[05:38] <Adri2000> ... bug #92432
[05:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 92432 in bzr "index.html contains mainly broken links" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92432
[05:40] <sacater> does anyone know who i might talk about the kernel?
[05:40] <sacater> and a possible bug/glitch?
[05:40] <Adri2000> ucap: bzr is in main, so we (MOTUs) can't upload it, and I think you should work with EtienneG, he's the maintainer of bzr
[05:41] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody!
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:41] <Adri2000> heya Toadstool
[05:42] <Toadstool> hi bddebian & Adri2000
[05:42] <Adri2000> sacater: the kernel maintainer in ubuntu is Ben Collins
[05:43] <sacater> Adri2000: thank you
[05:43] <Toadstool> Adri2000 is a bot!!1 :)
[05:43] <Toadstool> !maintainer apport
[05:43] <Adri2000> pitti
[05:43] <Adri2000> o/
[05:43] <Toadstool> w00t!
[05:43] <sacater> !maintainer kernel
[05:43] <Adri2000> hm
[05:46] <ucap> Adri2000: will do, thanks!
[05:48] <EtienneG> ucap, thanks a lot for the bzr doc bug, it slipped by in my inbox
[05:51] <ucap> EtienneG: I didn't even realize you where in here. Don't mention it - I know it's not a major bug, but it was an easy one to get started
[05:52] <EtienneG> ucap, sure, your contribution is very appreciated, this one slipped of my radar
[05:54] <ucap> EtienneG: no problem - btw, as mentioned in the last comment - the last link is a dead link.
[05:57] <cypher1> can anyone please tell me, what is meant by held packages.. i am having problems updating to Feisty Beta
[05:58] <cypher1> or how i can find the held(culprit) packages.. the update-manager seems to give less details
[05:59] <Adri2000> cypher1: this is not a support channel, please join #ubuntu+1
[05:59] <cypher1> Adri2000, sure sorry
[05:59] <sacater> anyone here good with perl, and perl gui?
[06:00] <jdong> ScottK: oh no, no, I didn't mean that as a jab at you.. it was a totally unrelated question
[06:00] <jdong> I really wanted to know what the command was
[06:00] <jdong> someone showed me here a few weeks back
[06:00] <jdong> and I forgot
[06:00] <ScottK> OK.  NP.  I was just checking.
[06:29] <xopher> Is deluge 0.5.x going to make it into Feisty?
[06:55] <ScottK> Looks like my earlier question got answered on #ubuntu-devel:
 geser: not entirely automatically, but it's likely that there'll just be a mass give-back, which amounts to the same thing
 geser: not entirely automatically, but it's likely that there'll just be a mass give-back, which amounts to the same thing
[06:56] <ScottK> Oops...
 will everyone please stop panicking about buildds. this has been a public service announcement. :-)
[09:57] <ajmitch> morning
[09:58] <DktrKranz> hi ajmitch
[09:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah, you're still with us
[10:00] <bddebian> I think I have a few hours left..
[10:02] <ajmitch> apart from the little fact that the TB will renew your membership
[10:03] <ScottK> That sounded ominous  ...
[10:03] <ScottK> Oh.
[10:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well that would be news to me :-)
[10:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: not really
[10:04] <bddebian> It wouldn't?  MC != TB
[10:04] <ajmitch> and?
[10:06] <bddebian> And how would I know that TB was going to renew me?
[10:08] <ajmitch> psychic powers
[10:08] <bddebian> heh
[10:08] <bddebian> I'm lucky to do simple addition :)
[11:23] <EtienneG> crimsun, I am kind of worried about the upload of bzr-gtk this morning ... it have yet to show up on Launchapd
[11:53] <DarkSun88> Any universe sponsor here?
[11:55] <geser> DarkSun88: what do you need?
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Morning everybody.
[11:56] <geser> Hi Fujitsu
[11:56] <ajmitch> morning Fujitsu, geser
[11:56] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Why?
[11:56] <Fujitsu> bug #102843
[11:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 102843 in Ubuntu "php4 feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102843
[11:57] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: because that's what I do for a job
[11:57] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: attack ^^
[11:57] <freeflying> May I ask for UVE now, I know we are in deep freeze now, but this package will affect any others, and is very important foy chinese users
[11:57] <ajmitch> & I use php4
[11:57] <Fujitsu> ... darn.
[11:57] <ajmitch> so I can hardly argue the other way now, while our code still breaks with php5 :)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:01] <DarkSun88> geser: Can you so kind to check this Sync? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tendra/+bug/103080
[12:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 103080 in tendra "Please sync tendra 4.1.2-16 from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:02] <geser> DarkSun88: see bug #79360
[12:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 79360 in tendra "[Sync Request]  Please, sync tendra (4.1.2-16) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79360
[12:02] <danohuiginn> Hi all. Question for you...
[12:03] <danohuiginn> qcalculate-kde installs duplicate menu items, because it puts entries in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/applnk (bug 91357)
[12:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 91357 in qalculate-kde "[feisty herd 5]  qalculate has duplicate entries in kde menu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91357
[12:03] <danohuiginn> which should I get rid of?
[12:03] <geser> DarkSun88: tendra doesn't build in feisty (at least it didn't build than)
[12:03] <DarkSun88> geser: Mm, ok. Excuse me.
[12:04] <geser> danohuiginn: if I'm not mistaken is /usr/share/applnk the old location but you might want to double-check in #kubuntu-devel
[12:04] <danohuiginn> thanks, geser. I'll ask over there, to be sure
[12:07] <geser> DarkSun88: np