[04:31] <Johnnyfav> like adware...more than anything
[04:31] <SLicE_> anyone here use 2.6.11 kernel?
[04:31] <Johnnyfav> bittorrent...it asks for a meta file
[04:31] <Johnnyfav> what do I do
[04:32] <pfp> Johnnyfav: amule
[04:32] <Johnnyfav> amule
[04:32] <Chicago60657> what's the command to set permissions on a directory (not a file)?
[04:32] <VaderDarth> chmod
[04:32] <VaderDarth> sry
[04:32] <Chicago60657> i know chmod...but chmod a+rw /mnt/win * did not work
[04:33] <VaderDarth> ntfs?
[04:33] <danko123456> sudo
[04:33] <danko123456> plus, you cant write to ntfs.
[04:33] <Chicago60657> why does ubuntu fucking lock me out of my windoze partition?
[04:33] <VaderDarth> what is sudo
[04:33] <Chicago60657> it's msdos
[04:33] <ccc> Johnnyfav: i recommend linuxdc++ or valknut (for dc)
[04:33] <Chicago60657> win 98
[04:33] <pfp> Chicago60657: chmod -R a+rw /mnt/foo  <- recursive
[04:33] <VaderDarth> i use to log in as root
[04:33] <danko123456> ok, Chicago60657are you trying to read that partition?
[04:33] <danko123456> mounted?
[04:33] <rj`> any idea how to enable .pl and .cgi on ubuntu hoary apache2?
[04:33] <kevin06> THis is not a Ubuntu question, but I am familiar here and think you might be able to help. I am looking for an Internet Connection with faster up and down speeds, but not as expensive as T1. What should I look for?
[04:34] <pfp> Chicago60657: also, chek mount options for msdos (man mount)
[04:34] <kevin06> Sorry, faster than Cable.
[04:34] <VaderDarth> i am on 10MBs
[04:34] <Chicago60657> the fstab settings are fine
[04:34] <VaderDarth> up and 10 Mbs down
[04:34] <danko123456> ya, ya,...
[04:34] <danko123456> Chicago60657: mounted?
[04:34] <novaflare> 10mb up and down?
[04:34] <kevin06> VaderDarth, Both?
[04:34] <novaflare> damn
[04:34] <danko123456> :-/...
[04:35] <ccc> VaderDarth: me too
[04:35] <VaderDarth> yes
[04:35] <danko123456> sceptical here,,,,
[04:35] <VaderDarth> i get 12MBS
[04:35] <VaderDarth> down
[04:35] <VaderDarth> about 11UP
[04:35] <kevin06> VaderDarth, What kinda service?
[04:35] <Chicago60657> yes...i can read it fine...just won't allow me to move files fo it
[04:35] <pfp> mount -t msdos -ouid=1000,gid=1000 might help
[04:35] <danko123456> plus he says his upload is faster than download, which is uncommon, unless he is using a server account...
[04:35] <danko123456> Chicago60657: try the -R
[04:35] <VaderDarth> well
[04:36] <ccc> VaderDarth: mine only goes as high as 10 :)
[04:36] <VaderDarth> i said up is 11MBPS measured
[04:36] <QMario> Is there a program that I can download for Ubuntu that will allow me to edit .pdf files?
[04:36] <Chicago60657> what's the basic difference between setting permission for a directory versus a file?
[04:36] <VaderDarth> and down is 12MBs
[04:36] <kevin06> ccc, What kind of connection is that?
[04:36] <danko123456> a directory needs to execute to be able to open.
[04:36] <technoid_> what is the default fs that ubuntu uses?
[04:36] <crimmy> ext3
[04:36] <danko123456> so you cant cd foo if foo is not execute.
[04:36] <VaderDarth> using 10100 adapter
[04:36] <VaderDarth> 10/1oo
[04:37] <VaderDarth> it is T1 or better
[04:37] <VaderDarth> it goes off the scale
[04:37] <kevin06> What is it called?
[04:37] <novaflare> well t1 only goes 1500/1500
[04:37] <Chicago60657> i can do everything under the sun as a user to my /mnt/win directory...except write...so i guess the solution is: Chicago60657: chmod -R a+rw /mnt/foo <- recursive  is that right??
[04:37] <VaderDarth> what do u mean called
[04:37] <VaderDarth> i tell u the speed
[04:37] <technoid_> crimmy: know of any problems using reiser with it?
[04:37] <Chicago60657> sorry for the cut n paste
[04:37] <novaflare> just has a dump load more accual band width than cable wireless or dsl
[04:37] <kevin06> Well, Cable connections ranged near 4 megs...
[04:37] <danko123456> 10MBps is not what your connection is, to the best of my knowledge:0-P
[04:38] <kevin06> It is cable. T1 is faster...
[04:38] <VaderDarth> mate
[04:38] <VaderDarth> I am directly connected to a 1000MBs
[04:38] <novaflare> na guys some people are getting sickenly fast cable connections
[04:38] <kevin06> Ah.
[04:38] <VaderDarth> through a 10MBs switch
[04:38] <Chicago60657> one more question please...how come i can't boot into gnome as root and do these permission issue that way?
[04:38] <QMario> Is there a program that I can download for Ubuntu that will allow me to edit .pdf files?
[04:39] <kevin06> Ubuntu disab;es root login.
[04:39] <danko123456> you would have to enable it, it is disabled by7 default, Chicago60657.
[04:39] <sysrq> kevin06: no it doesn't, it defaults to having no root password set
[04:39] <danko123456> QMario: well, the essence of pdf files is that they are like pictures, I think, try gimp or something...
[04:39] <pfp> Chicago60657: does ubuntu show _you_ as owner of the files under /mnt/win?
[04:39] <kevin06> sysrq, sorry then.
[04:39] <sysrq> Chicago60657: you can't do it from a root shell, sudo -s?
[04:39] <^thehatsrule^> no it does disable the root login... doesnt it?
[04:39] <VaderDarth> i can d/l ubuntu in 1 min
[04:39] <danko123456> does, yeah...
[04:40] <sysrq> no
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> mhmm
[04:40] <Chicago60657> well i can boot "recovery mode" which boots and brings me to a root prompt...but startx doesn't work and gdm just brings up the login screen...which of course, i can't log in as root.
[04:40] <kevin06> sysrq, Trying that on my computer prompted a message that Rott logins were disabled, and I did an standard install of hoary.
[04:40] <danko123456> you are very cool, but I dont believe you that there is a 10MB/s conenction for upload anywhere...
[04:40] <danko123456> Unless you are at a university, or something like that.
[04:40] <sysrq> kevin06: thats nice, all you have to do is set a root password and you can login just fine
[04:40] <VaderDarth> yes i am on the Janet
[04:40] <kevin06> Danko123456, It would be nice though, to have that upload.
[04:40] <danko123456> sysrq: there is also a checkbox to allow root login to gnome...
[04:40] <VaderDarth> JANET
[04:41] <danko123456> kevin06: well, usually ppl like more download:)
[04:41] <ccc> kevin06: it's fibre. you can choose 100 mbit, but that's more expensive and has a 300 gb/month limit, which sucks. :( i think 10 mbit is about 30 euros a month here.
[04:41] <danko123456> Ill google^
[04:41] <pfp> i think logging in to gnome as root would cause more problems than solve them :)
[04:41] <Chicago60657> pfp no i'm not the owner of the /mnt/win or it's files...i just want root to chmod my userid with write permission to the windoze hard drive...that's all!
[04:41] <sysrq> danko123456: if you can use gnome via gdm as root is rather different from disabling/enabling root login
[04:41] <VaderDarth> http://www.mirror.ac.uk/
[04:41] <VaderDarth> is where i d/l isos
[04:41] <Chicago60657> look...i don't really give a fuck if i ruin the ubuntu installation...it's just a toy for now
[04:42] <kevin06> ccc, wow. Net connections are signifigantly cheaper there,
[04:42] <VaderDarth> it is at 1000GBs
[04:42] <sysrq> Chicago60657: use the uid option for mount/fstab to map them to the use you want
[04:42] <sysrq> s/use/user/
[04:42] <danko123456> VaderDarth: http://www.ja.net/connect/general-tariffs.html ...
[04:42] <pfp> Chicago60657: you cant change the ownership of windoze files that way, because FAT doesn't know about file owners
[04:42] <kevin06> Alright, lemme ask this differently. What kinds of connections offer speeds above cable?
[04:42] <Chicago60657> oh...and a warning...i was playing a cd with .flac files on it...i had a small black marker smudge on the read side of the cd...when i got to the track with the ink blotch on it...it totally crashed ubuntu
[04:42] <sysrq> kevin06: that really isn't relating to ubuntu
[04:42] <danko123456> sysrq: wasnt he talking about the other, tho?
[04:43] <QMario> Is there a better PDF viewer than xpdf available?
[04:43] <kevin06> danko123456, Yeah, but I do small time hosting...
[04:43] <crimmy> evince, QMario?
[04:43] <Shuddertrix> kevin06: the mind?
[04:43] <mpm> anyone using a digital voice recorder with ubuntu?  I'm looking for something that will be ideally in mp3 format already for uploading to the web
[04:43] <ccc> kevin06: dsl... adsl/vdsl
[04:43] <pfp> Chicago60657: thats why you have to specify uig=chicago,gid=chicago on mount options (fstab), replacing chicago w/ your userid
[04:43] <kevin06> sysrq, Forgive me. If you would prefer me to take it off channel, I can do so...
[04:43] <danko123456> thanks, crimmy, another one for the collection:)
[04:43] <VaderDarth> i pay 25 per month
[04:44] <sysrq> Chicago60657: it crashed ubuntu? I wasn't aware ubuntu was a program? perhaps it crashed X or caused a kernel lockup. When reporting such things you need to provide information usefull for debuging
[04:44] <danko123456> for that speed, no you dont.
[04:44] <SLicE_> anyone here use kernel 2.6.11 with ubuntu?
[04:44] <Chicago60657> i just don't understand why it's such a big issue writing to the windoze drive, when other live cds let you do it justf fine
[04:44] <VaderDarth> well it is not my house
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> kevin06: if you mean coaxial, then probably ethernet or fiber..
[04:44] <danko123456> well, I dont wanna argue this further, you know the fact, I know my opinion:)
[04:44] <Chicago60657> so i think it's an ubuntu issue
[04:44] <VaderDarth> I rent it
[04:44] <ccc> VaderDarth: that's cheap. where?
[04:44] <VaderDarth> 25 for 10Mb/s per month
[04:44] <ahammond> Chicago60657: fat or ntfs?
[04:44] <sysrq> mpm: check out audacity, gnome-sound-recorder can save to vorbis, I'm not sure about mp3
[04:45] <VaderDarth> uk
[04:45] <danko123456> crimmy: remember that hard drive I was installing to the other day?? I am installing ubuntu now, and warty installed fine, then I change sources.list, and dist-upgrade. Now I am getting errors about hda being damaged, any pointers? maybe I should wait till it dfinishes to see what happens...
[04:46] <ccc> ok
[04:46] <sysrq> Chicago60657: probably because the liveCD runs as root, with ubuntu you are trying to write as a user when the drive probably is owned by root. Using the uid=youruserid mount option will make the drive owned by your user so you can write it. I have said this once and someone else has said this as well.
[04:46] <Chicago60657> sysrq yes it crashed x...which for all practical purposes...is what make ubuntu what it's trying to be...a user friendly OS...but don't take my word for it...take a little black magic marker...poke a small dot onto one of your music cds you don't need anymore...play it with the gnome program i can't remember the name of...some itunes knock off...what for your cdrom to find the flaw and have...
[04:46] <Chicago60657> ...fun doing a hard reboot...works everytime...i did it about six times
[04:46] <VaderDarth> my work has 100Mbs
[04:47] <VaderDarth> thru JANET
[04:47] <danko123456> yeah, they could, but you as an individual...
[04:47] <ahammond> Chicago60657: next time, try ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:47] <ahammond> Chicago60657: that will kill your X session (which will restart automatically)
[04:47] <sysrq> Chicago60657: the alt-sysrq key combination is usefull for properly shutting down a locked system beyond ctrl-alt-backspace for killing X
[04:48] <VaderDarth> ah they don't have ubuntu http://www.mirror.ac.uk/platform/linux/
[04:48] <ccc> here in sweden there are 1000 mbps connections too :D pretty hard to make use of all the bandwidth though...
[04:48] <danko123456> thanks for the tip, sysrq.
[04:48] <Chicago60657> no...it wouldn't let me....it just kept feeding me messages about buffer i/o error on sector blah blah
[04:48] <hswales> what is the prog to check the settings for hardware
[04:48] <ccc> so, waste of money. at least now
[04:48] <sysrq> Chicago60657: what kept feeding you messages, where?
[04:49] <Chicago60657> the command line when i opened a shell (torturously slowly) to kill the pid
[04:49] <VaderDarth> i admin a 150 cpu windows cluster
[04:49] <danko123456> kevin06 was not happy with our knowledge of internet conenctions.
[04:49] <danko123456> :)
[04:49] <danko123456> call his ISP...
[04:50] <Chicago60657> i'm telling you...it's easily replicated...one little black magic marker dot on the read side of a music cd is enough to bring ubuntu to a grinding halt...you won't be able to kill it even from a root shell
[04:50] <sysrq> Chicago60657: ok, file a bug report then
[04:50] <danko123456> crimmy: could I somehow format the hard disk and then it removes the bad sectors from use?
[04:50] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: And you put a black magic marker dot on the read side of a CD...why?
[04:50] <VaderDarth> use windows media player?
[04:50] <danko123456> btw, it seems to be continuing fine.
[04:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will ubuntu always have mp3 support ?
[04:51] <danko123456> can you read the future?
[04:51] <danko123456> :-p
[04:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> :p
[04:52] <Chicago60657> look...i'm not trying to diss ubuntu...i've been messing around with debian or a couple years now...but when ubuntu was defeated by something that small, it amazed me...and no, i didn't do it on purpose...it was an accident...i was playing the cd to find the track i'd need to replace since i destroyed the hard drive copy of it
[04:52] <danko123456> anyone at all kno about hard disks, and some form of fixing them, should I run fsck?
[04:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> some distros are dropping support for licensing reasons
[04:52] <pfp> ccc: just out of curiosity, how much are they asking for 10M or 100M there?
[04:52] <sysrq> Chicago60657: ... all I said is file a bug report
[04:52] <Chicago60657> all the other tracks played fine...when it got to track 11...ubuntu bit the dust
[04:52] <Johnnyfav> is there a program to run windows apps on linux?
[04:52] <danko123456> Chicago60657: well, it is very new... we all use it, tho:)
[04:52] <Chicago60657> i intend to
[04:52] <VaderDarth> wine
[04:52] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: my mind tricks agree that in 2008 mp3 will be obsolete
[04:53] <crimmy> danko123456: no
[04:53] <SLicE_> Does anyone know where the best walkthrough for compiling a kernel would be, and what the best tool to use on 2.6.10?
[04:53] <VaderDarth> 100 for setup
[04:53] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is there any linux program that will convert formats for music ?
[04:53] <crimmy> danko123456: sector remapping is done at the device level. Not even the kernel accesses it.
[04:54] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: This dot-phenomenon sounds more like a problem in Rhythmbox than in Ubuntu...file the report with them.
[04:54] <VaderDarth> and 4000
[04:54] <sysrq> Pop_pa_FrEaK: there are several, it depends on what format to what format
[04:54] <danko123456> crimmy: I got all these "uncorrectable errors while upgrading, pointing at the hard disk, it did uprade tho...
[04:54] <sysrq> Pop_pa_FrEaK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[04:54] <danko123456> gone, then, get a new hard disk??
[04:54] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I make use of mp32ogg ;)
[04:54] <SLicE_> thank you Pop_pa_FrEaK
[04:54] <VaderDarth> why ubuntu disables root
[04:54] <QMario> Is there a program that I can use that can type in text in a .pdf file?
[04:54] <sysrq> erm that last one was to SLicE_ sorry Pop_pa_FrEaK
[04:54] <ccc> pfp: 10 mbps is 30 euros/month, 100 mbps is 60 euros i think
[04:54] <Chicago60657> but it's based on debian which isn't new...i'm all for ubuntu...i hope it succeeds as a replacement of those snobby, slow handed debian people...and i'd love to see everyone using ubuntu instead of windoze...however, i shouldn't have to edit fstab files and chmod the crap out of my system to have "permission" to create a freakin file or directory on my own fucking hard drive...if ubuntu...
[04:54] <Chicago60657> ...wants to win joe average user...they have to make it a lot simpler and user friendly...i understand limited root access...but c'mon
[04:54] <sysrq> QMario: openoffice can save as pdf
[04:55] <transgress> QMario: openoffice
[04:55] <VaderDarth> i cannot use ubunto just cos of that
[04:55] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: Where exactly are you trying to make a file/directory?
[04:55] <sysrq> Chicago60657: that problem isn't ubuntu's fault, as I said all you have to do is add the uid=youruserid to the fstab line and it will be owned by your user
[04:55] <danko123456> but not edit a pdf file, tho, I dont think any computer can do taht.
[04:55] <danko123456> umm...program,
[04:55] <VaderDarth> no root == sucks
[04:56] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: Use sudo and like it.
[04:56] <dooglus> VaderDarth: root isn't disabled.
[04:56] <danko123456> whatever, you just like the sound of superuser....
[04:56] <danko123456> :)
[04:56] <Chicago60657> Jormundand you could be very right...but it seemed from the error messages that the kernel was just trying to read and read and read the same flawed blocks instead of aborting or at least giving me the option to abort
[04:56] <sysrq> sudo -s gives you a root shell, I don't see why you would need anything beyond that
[04:56] <SLicE_> sysrq what do you mean by formats?
[04:56] <danko123456> I had su enabled for a while, and disabled it in the end, it is not needd.
[04:56] <pfp> ccc: damn :P in helsinki 60e/mo gets you 10/10M behind nat at best...
[04:56] <sysrq> SLicE_: ie mp3 to vorbis, vorbis to mp3, flac to mp3, whatever
[04:56] <VaderDarth> root
[04:57] <VaderDarth> is very important if you have server + many users
[04:57] <dooglus> VaderDarth: just type "sudo passwd", set a password for root, then "su" to root like you would in any other distro
[04:57] <danko123456> Jormundgand: he is trying to change permissions on a dos partition.
[04:57] <SLicE_> sysrq I'm talking linux kernels
[04:57] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Okay.
[04:57] <VaderDarth> but I normally login as root
[04:57] <sysrq> SLicE_: oh sorry still confusing you two, where did I mention formats?
[04:57] <dooglus> VaderDarth: then you're a fool :)
[04:57] <VaderDarth> well if i want to admin 150 user u think I will su 150 times??
[04:58] <VaderDarth> only a fool will do that
[04:58] <sysrq> VaderDarth: sudo -s gives you a shell with root privs. no need to login as root
[04:58] <dooglus> VaderDarth: what do you mean?
[04:58] <SLicE_> sysrq lol nevermind I read it wrong too
[04:58] <VaderDarth> but If i open 10 shells
[04:58] <VaderDarth> i need to su 10 times ??
[04:58] <dooglus> no.
[04:58] <SLicE_> sysrq, thanks for the guide link I'm going to go toy with it
[04:58] <dooglus> su once, and open the other 9 from that su'ed shell
[04:58] <danko123456> ok, I installed warty onto a computer...that has a sketchy hard drive(known fact from the past) and it worked great, and I then changed my sources.list, and upgraded to hoary, which gave all these errors about hda being not good, and "uncorrectable errors" but it seems to have upgraded, and I am wondering if there is anything I should run to get the bad sectors out of the way, or what I should do...
[04:59] <VaderDarth> ahh but if i close it
[04:59] <ccc> pfp: ah. :/ that's weird, i thought it was equally spread there.
[04:59] <Chicago60657> my windoze directory is mounted automatically at boottime on /mnt/win and i have rw options in fstab...i chmod a+rw /mnt/win * and that didn't work, then tried chmod 777 /mnt/win * that didn't work either...i guess what i want to know is whether or not the syntax of chmod is different when you're setting permissions on a directory
[04:59] <ccc> pfp: and cheaper
[04:59] <scoperesolutoin> anyone use 3ddesktop?
[04:59] <VaderDarth> also is it beter than fc3?
[04:59] <VaderDarth> fc3 has root and has yum and apt
[05:00] <scoperesolutoin> yum blows
[05:00] <dooglus> how can I "re-disable" root, after running "sudo passwd" to set a password for root?
[05:00] <Jormundgand> yum does indeed blow. It's just a slower apt-get.
[05:00] <sysrq> VaderDarth: so use that and stop wasting our time if you are so set in your ways
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> yum is ugly, apt in fedora is horrible because of rpms ;)
[05:00] <scoperesolutoin> i would much rather use emerge but gentoo is a pain to install
[05:00] <Jormundgand> dooglus: passwd -l root
[05:00] <VaderDarth> well i want to know how to permanetnly enable root
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: sudo passwd root
[05:01] <dooglus> Jormundgand: very good.  :)
[05:01] <danko123456> sudo -r passwd I think
[05:01] <dooglus> VaderDarth: I just told you.  "sudo passwd"
[05:01] <sysrq> Chicago60657: what filesystem is the partition
[05:01] <VaderDarth> i don't like to put all this paswords when I want to delete files etc
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Set a root password, presto, root is working (i'm pretty sure)
[05:01] <Chicago60657> msdos
[05:01] <Chicago60657> i'm using win 98
[05:01] <VaderDarth> i want to login as root
[05:01] <danko123456> :) sorry...
[05:01] <pfp> ccc: not really, and especially ppl in small towns complain that telco monopolies keep them from getting any broadband
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: You can then open up a root terminal, login as root, be the root..
[05:01] <scoperesolutoin> vader i dont think you can in ubuntu
[05:01] <VaderDarth> so if I d/l anything or I can do what I like
[05:02] <scoperesolutoin> just use the root terminal
[05:02] <sysrq> Chicago60657: have you tried mounting it as vfat?
[05:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmm wish there was a linux cd ripper that would rip to musepack
[05:02] <VaderDarth> but i like whole gui to have root power
[05:02] <QMario> How can I copy text and pictures from a .pdf file? I tried to do it in xpdf, but there is no copy operator.
[05:02] <Chicago60657> so is the chmod syntax different for permissions on directories versus a file?
[05:02] <Chicago60657> no, i haven't...should i
[05:02] <scoperesolutoin> yeah i see where that would be nice
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: That's unsafe, but surely gdm can unhide the root account, and you can probably run startx as root ;)
[05:02] <VaderDarth> if you are root it is very easy to use pc
[05:03] <sysrq> Chicago60657: yes
[05:03] <scoperesolutoin> also very dangerous
[05:03] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: sudo remembers that you sudo'd successfully for fifteen minutes after a successful sudo. And there's little need to have a whole-GUI sudo, with gksudo and sudo <command>.
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: Also, very easy to screw something up.
[05:03] <VaderDarth> like all these stupid configs are very easy to edit
[05:03] <pfp> ccc: i understand that your government is more active in spreading bband, a good thing imo
[05:03] <Chicago60657> just out of curiousity...what is vfat
[05:03] <QMario> How can I copy text and pictures from a .pdf file? I tried to do it in xpdf, but there is no copy operator.
[05:03] <Quest-Master> xpdf.. haha, what a joke
[05:03] <QMario>  Shuddertrix, did you really log in as root?
[05:03] <dr_willis> try the accrobat reader program
[05:03] <VaderDarth> well why is it dangerous as root
[05:03] <scoperesolutoin> vfat is fat32
[05:04] <scoperesolutoin> or fat16
[05:04] <VaderDarth> if you delete something get it from the bin
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> QMario: Yes.
[05:04] <danko123456> QMario: you can do that through OSX I know...
[05:04] <danko123456> I dont knwo about ubuntu, tho.
[05:04] <Chicago60657> so simply but changint it from msdos to vfat in my fstab is going to solve everything??
[05:04] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: If you log in as root then go to get coffee you might return to find someone has rm -rf /'d.
[05:04] <danko123456> Perhaps you can take a screentshot, and then copy and paste it out, or use gimp, I syuggested that earlier.
[05:04] <VaderDarth> ok
[05:04] <dr_willis> or accidently put in a space when you are doing a rm -rf / foo/bar/com
[05:05] <VaderDarth> so just look in the bin and undelet it!
[05:05] <IIIEars_Doom3>   /nick IIIEars
[05:05] <sysrq> Chicago60657: well if it's win98 it probable is vfat
[05:05] <mpm> I'm wondering If I buy a digital recorder what the probabilty is that I won't be able to make it work with linux?  any guesses?
[05:05] <Jormundgand> rm -rf - FORCE REMOVE ALL FILES AND DIRECTORIES REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT OR STATUS.
[05:05] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: If only it were possible to get files back from /dev/null. Tsk.
[05:05] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> hello
[05:05] <sysrq> Chicago60657: if you don't want help then by all means just say so and I can use my time for something productive
[05:05] <dr_willis> VaderDarth,  the bin?  rm from the shell has no 'trashcan'
[05:06] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i need help to some topic somebody helpme?
[05:06] <VaderDarth> that is why i don't like the console
[05:06] <VaderDarth> it should be disabled
[05:06] <atho> lmao
[05:06] <scoperesolutoin> then you shouldnt be running linux
[05:06] <mpm> hehe
[05:06] <dr_willis> now we are in Troll terriority.
[05:06] <dr_willis> :P
[05:06] <VaderDarth> u delete from root gui it goes to bin
[05:06] <atho> xD
[05:06] <danko123456> crimmy: I think you think I will be fine:)
[05:06] <Chicago60657> sysrq yeah...that's exactly why i came into this channel...not to get help...
[05:06] <Chicago60657> and i wasn't disappointed
[05:06] <dr_willis> VaderDarth,  it MAY go to a bin.., or it may not :P
[05:06] <raDeon> don't be a troll
[05:06] <atho> vader, use the gui trash can
[05:06] <raDeon> that's just rude
[05:06] <dooglus> VaderDarth: if you don't like the way 'rm' works, alias it to 'mv' stuff to the trashcan instead?
[05:06] <scoperesolutoin> Anyone installed or messed with 3ddesktop?
[05:06] <Jormundgand> bLaCkEyEdBoY: You must be in the wrong place. This is the official Ubuntu orgy channel. :o
[05:07] <danko123456> bLaCkEyEdBoY: /topic
[05:07] <sysrq> what a lovely fellow
[05:07] <sysrq> I spend half an hour trying to help him and thats what I get
[05:07] <Shuddertrix> scoperesolutoin: I used to, it was pretty cool but it was slow on changing the desktops..
[05:07] <scoperesolutoin> I just wanta know if they fixed it so you dont need the config file anymore
[05:07] <VaderDarth> well rediredt dev/null > trashcan!!!
[05:07] <scoperesolutoin> I ran it on gentoo about 2 months ago
[05:08] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  no idea :) installing it now.
[05:08] <scoperesolutoin> yeah I am trying to as well
[05:08] <Johnnyfav> what's r o  mean for the permissions on a file
[05:08] <danko123456> read only
[05:08] <atho> r o?
[05:08] <Shuddertrix> scoperesolutoin: No need for a config file..
[05:08] <danko123456> haha I was first.:-;
[05:08] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  installed , it works good. :P lol
[05:08] <danko123456> :-p
[05:08] <Johnnyfav> how do I change it to read and write then?
[05:08] <scoperesolutoin> sweet
[05:08] <atho> r w?
[05:08] <danko123456> well, which file, johnnyf
[05:08] <[Spooky] > bLaCkEyEdBoY: no pm please
[05:08] <VaderDarth> ok so I tried what u saidon my FC3 box
[05:08] <ccc> pfp: yeah, but some areas have lower priority and won't see fiber for a long time. it's all relative i guess...
[05:09] <Johnnyfav> my mounted ntfs drive
[05:09] <dooglus> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[05:09] <VaderDarth> i typere fm -r
[05:09] <VaderDarth> rm -r
[05:09] <danko123456> Johnnyfav: unfort... that does nto work.
[05:09] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i need help for configure my monitor
[05:09] <samuel> sup a
[05:09] <samuel> ll
[05:09] <dooglus> VaderDarth: look around line 160 of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[05:09] <VaderDarth> there is only a big noise from my 200GB hdd
[05:09] <Johnnyfav> is there anyway I can configure it so I can write?
[05:09] <scoperesolutoin> vader I think you should install gentoo
[05:10] <VaderDarth> but i cannot find etc folder after i typed rm -r?
[05:10] <dooglus> Johnnyfav: apparently the 2.6 kernels can be configured to 'safely' allow writing to NTFS partitions so long as you don't change the size of any files
[05:10] <samuel> anyone here have any suggestions for mp3 players that are linux friendly?
[05:10] <danko123456> does anyone know, when I install a server install of ubuntu, and then I install xfce4 through apt-get, what needs to be done to log in to it?
[05:10] <Johnnyfav> ouch
[05:10] <dooglus> Johnnyfav: if you want to create new files, or change file sizes then writing to NTFS is still 'dangerous'
[05:10] <Johnnyfav> ok
[05:11] <Johnnyfav> I'll forget that idea then
[05:11] <VaderDarth> Ok now my hdd stopped making noise after i typed rm -r
[05:11] <danko123456> dude, I never liked your comments from the start:-p
[05:11] <VaderDarth> but some new windows of ff not opening why?
[05:12] <mpm> danko123456: xfce isn't showing up from gdm?
[05:12] <transgress> did you just install xfce or xfce4?
[05:12] <danko123456> I think you are just pulling our leg...mpm, I dont think I have gdm, I am thinking I need that.
[05:12] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> My problem is that my ubuntu load but after the monitor turn off.
[05:12] <transgress> xfce is old as hell and doesn't show up
[05:12] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i don't know how to do
[05:12] <danko123456> xfce4 which is better for a old comp?
[05:12] <Cybersoft> wow how did they find the name for this distro ?
[05:12] <Cybersoft> why a random password generator ?
[05:12] <transgress> xfce is probably better... but for an older pc i'd get blackbox because it's a lot prettier than xfce
[05:12] <scoperesolutoin> hey dr_willis, 3ddesktop failed
[05:12] <goldfish> fluxbox is faster than xfce
[05:13] <danko123456> yeah, but, not simple to use for a girl...
[05:13] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  how are you 'running' it  :P
[05:13] <transgress> blackbox is faster than fluxbox...
[05:13] <goldfish> oh right
[05:13] <danko123456> xfce then over xfce4 for slower computers?
[05:13] <goldfish> cool
[05:13] <scoperesolutoin> im just trying to install it
[05:13] <transgress> how slow danko123456 ?
[05:13] <VaderDarth> Ok guys I type rm -rf / as you toldm me to fix root and I cannot see any of my files
[05:13] <scoperesolutoin> i did a ./configure and i get some shitty compile errors
[05:13] <danko123456> I am gonna try sudo apt-get install gdm..
[05:13] <dr_willis> 3ddeskd - to start the service, then 3desk  to activate the fancy switcher.
[05:13] <transgress> VaderDarth: you just did what!?
[05:13] <danko123456> I dunno what else to do...
[05:13] <goldfish> VaderDarth: please tell me you are joking.
[05:13] <danko123456> is there a startx command that actually works?
[05:13] <Aegir> VaderDarth, Hahahha.... rm -rf / ... Funny.
[05:14] <dooglus> danko123456: ubuntu comes with gdm
[05:14] <transgress> danko123456: did you install ubuntu/
[05:14] <transgress> if so then you have gdm
[05:14] <danko123456> dooglus:  server install does not.
[05:14] <Aegir> Hmm, thats somthing to try, cat /dev/random...
[05:14] <VaderDarth> well everything is working
[05:14] <dooglus> danko123456: ok, i see
[05:14] <VaderDarth> but there is no files on teh hdd
[05:14] <mpm> VaderDarth: you really shouldn't be messing with people who are here to get help
[05:14] <Aegir> Fun...
[05:14] <goldfish> VaderDarth: shut up.
[05:15] <Aegir> cat /dev/random was interesting
[05:15] <threat> VaderDarth, your name looks familar
[05:15] <VaderDarth> ok I will reeboot and see if the files appear
[05:15] <St0n3-C0l> How do I enable Direct Rendering in i810 ?
[05:15] <danko123456> transgress: did you get it now?
[05:15] <threat> Aegir, lol, yeah and the good thing is it changes all the time, so it doesnt get boring
[05:15] <Aegir> Hmm, cat /dev/null didnt do anything interesting...
[05:16] <transgress> get what?
[05:16] <danko123456> VaderDarth: who told you to do a rm -rf / to fix your root?
[05:16] <danko123456> ha
[05:16] <Aegir> threat, Yeap. Easy way to pass the time in school ;)
[05:16] <jaysin> how do i uninstall programs?
[05:16] <threat> Aegir, heh
[05:16] <danko123456> gety my ping of death, HAHAHA, jj...
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> rm -rf / lol
[05:16] <transgress> heh oops
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> this means he removed everything ?
[05:16] <goldfish> jaysin: how did u install it?
[05:16] <VaderDarth> well you said it will force it
[05:16] <goldfish> St0n3-C0l: yes.
[05:16] <threat> Aegir, you know whats even better then cat'ing something?  redirecting it to your sound device :)  thats always my favourite passtime
[05:16] <dr_willis> St0n3-C0l,  or hes Trolling again.
[05:16] <jaysin> ummm from ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <mpm> danko123456: ignore him he's just fishing for trouble; you shouldn't even mention stuff like that it's not funny when someone goes and tries it innnocently and wipes their system
[05:16] <Aegir> threat, ROFL
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> then h0w he's using ?
[05:16] <jaysin> goldfish  oops from ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <goldfish> jaysin: apt-get remove packagename --purge
[05:17] <danko123456> transgress: get what? ... (22:16:12) transgress left the room (quit: Client Quit). ... (22:16:14) danko123456: ha ... 22:16:26) danko123456: gety my ping of death, HAHAHA, jj...
[05:17] <danko123456> :)
[05:17] <threat> cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp  oh yeah, hear the funkiness
[05:17] <jaysin> goldfish  thanks :D
[05:17] <goldfish> jaysin: he is joking.
[05:17] <goldfish> jaysin: np
[05:17] <transgress> actually i got my clicking the x of death
[05:17] <danko123456> mpm: he did it himselgf, I never used that command till that post...
[05:17] <Jormundgand> cat /dev/random screws up the character set. :(
[05:17] <goldfish> hmm
[05:17] <goldfish> St0n3-C0l: he is joking.
[05:17] <danko123456> transgress: yeah, I know, I was jj...hey, did you get why I dont have gdm?
[05:17] <transgress> ha yes it will... but only temporarily
[05:17] <threat> Jormundgand, reset fixes it :)
[05:17] <danko123456> I insatlled a server install.
[05:18] <VaderDarth> i just opened console and tyrpe rm -rf / to fix the root for good
[05:18] <transgress> nope
[05:18] <threat> VaderDarth, :/
[05:18] <transgress> VaderDarth: that will break everything... wise one
[05:18] <VaderDarth> now everything is working
[05:18] <danko123456> transgress: I did a server install, and tehre is no x at all...
[05:18] <concept10> is this were the guys with leet hacker skillz hang?
[05:18] <VaderDarth> but if I type commands they are not
[05:18] <transgress> danko123456: oh... then reinstall it heh
[05:18] <danko123456> I installed xfce, but I need gdm, I guess,. Ill try that.
[05:18] <nalioth> threat: is that copyrighted music you're listening to?
[05:18] <St0n3-C0l> How do i enable Hardware Acceleration ????
[05:18] <Jormundgand> concept10: nyet, that's #gentoo ;)
[05:18] <transgress> danko123456: you don't need gdm
[05:18] <mpm> danko123456: he's lying or joking...  It's the same fear I had when I cause glitches to appear in video games which do weird things.
[05:22] <crimmy> Jormundgand: you can't do that for direct alsa
[05:23] <crimmy> Jormundgand: you can for alsa's oss emulation, though
[05:23] <Varanger> threat: who has? rm -rf / ?
[05:23] <crimmy> Jormundgand: (alsa requires alsa-lib, hence "default", "hw:0", etc.)
[05:23] <threat> Varanger, indeed
[05:23] <VaderDarth> It is not rebooting??
[05:23] <Jormundgand> crimmy: You're telling me this why?
[05:23] <threat> hmm to study, do work or play ET under Ubuntu :/ hmmmm
[05:23] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth, hardest reboot...power cycle. ;)
[05:24] <crimmy> Jormundgand: because you asked whether it's right to be afraid to pipe random chars to the sound device
[05:24] <VaderDarth> but why is it not rebooting?
[05:24] <crimmy> Jormundgand: I'm telling you that you _can't_ for alsa directly.
[05:24] <Jormundgand> Because you deleted shutdown, hence no shutdown -r now.
[05:24] <threat> VaderDarth, ? you deleted the reboot program?
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:24] <threat> VaderDarth, init 6
[05:24] <mpm> threat: and Jormundgand he's messing with you pay no attention
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> he deleted everything
[05:24] <VaderDarth> i just deleted the dangerous root
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> rm -rf /
[05:25] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:25] <threat> heh
[05:25] <threat> lol
[05:25] <nalioth> i take it the cats have not returned.. .. ..
[05:25] <danko123456> VaderDarth: come one, man...that is teh root folder, not the root account.
[05:25] <Jormundgand> cat cat | cat
[05:25] <Jormundgand> ?
[05:25] <raDeon> lol VaderDarth sounds like a future candidate for a Darwin award
[05:25] <mpm> no danko123456 / is everything
[05:26] <raDeon> he deletes the reboot program
[05:26] <VaderDarth> the root folder is for root correct?
[05:26] <threat> heh talking about /dev/null, that reminds me of that BOFH article I saw, where the dood changes the tape backup device to /dev/null to increase backup time :)
[05:26] <transgress> the /root folder is for root
[05:26] <danko123456> no, it holds everything. all other folders are branching from teh root.
[05:26] <VaderDarth> no
[05:26] <danko123456> basically, you deleted your whole hard drive if you were serious about having done that.
[05:26] <VaderDarth> how is it
[05:26] <dsd> hi is anyone here to help me? if so please pm me...i have a question about installing programs onto ubuntu
[05:26] <threat> VaderDarth, do you know what a tree is ?  as in the computer structure :)
[05:26] <transgress> think about it ... everything starts with /
[05:27] <MachineScrew> how do I recompile the kernel
[05:27] <transgress> see: /bin /usr /etc
[05:27] <dsd> if anyone can help me please pm me
[05:27] <threat> VaderDarth, / is the root as in the root of the tree, everything else branches off from the root, there is nothing before the root
[05:27] <MachineScrew> under ubuntu
[05:27] <dooglus> dsd, just ask here and we'll help if we can
[05:27] <nalioth> there are no ops here atm
[05:27] <dsd> ok
[05:27] <Jormundgand> dsd: Ask her-- damn you, dooglus.
[05:27] <threat> VaderDarth, except dirt if you want to think of it that way
[05:27] <mpm> hi dr_willis good to see you; the channel's gone to trolls while you were gone
[05:27] <dooglus> Jormundgand?
[05:27] <nalioth> hence the idiots putting dangerous command sequences into the channel
[05:27] <dr_willis> mpm,  Lol. :P
[05:27] <nalioth> more than once
[05:28] <transgress> uit
[05:28] <transgress> bleh
[05:28] <dr_willis> trying to get F12 to run the 3desk switcher.. but cant get it going.
[05:28] <chillywilly> what tool can I use to redirect sound for my mplayer?
[05:28] <MachineScrew> any one
[05:28] <VaderDarth> ok so u are sayin I deleted root, and my folder
[05:28] <crimmy> Varanger: ok, let me work on something for you. Should take about 20 mins.
[05:28] <transgress> i accidentally bound my damned slash key
[05:28] <danko123456> dooglus: you worte what he was gonna say, so he said that.
[05:28] <St0n3-C0l> VaderDarth: Check your pvt
[05:28] <danko123456> yes, your whole hard disk, VaderDarth.
[05:28] <dr_willis> i alwyas loved how gnome/metacity decided to removed easy configuration of such POWER features like binding an arbitary command to a F key
[05:28] <dr_willis> :P
[05:28] <VaderDarth> i cannot open any new window
[05:28] <Varanger> crimmy: ok thx
[05:28] <dsd> well, is it possible to install programs from another distro such as knoppix onto ubuntu?
[05:28] <VaderDarth> only this is working
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> u'll not be able to open anything..
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:29] <dr_willis> dsd thats not very safe.
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> after a reboot
[05:29] <MachineScrew> I need to recompile my kernel under ubuntu how do I go about doing this or maybe some documentation on it
[05:29] <transgress> okay fixed that
[05:29] <transgress> heh
[05:29] <dooglus> don't worry, you haven't deleted your Windows NTFS partitions, so you can go back to Windows when you've finished trolling in here.
[05:29] <dr_willis> dsd,  but about any program that is on knoppix. should have ubuntu packages.
[05:29] <nalioth> dsd: why would you want to install from knoppix, when the proggy is probably already available to you?
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> "root" account is not dangerous account.
[05:29] <VaderDarth> ok how can i undelet everythin?
[05:30] <dooglus> dsd, it's not a good idea to install binaries compiled for other distros
[05:30] <nalioth> VaderDarth: you are F***ED
[05:30] <VaderDarth> where is the system restore
[05:30] <St0n3-C0l> It's Super User Account which allows full access to the user so some programs might just crash under this !
[05:30] <VaderDarth> command
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  LOL
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  there isnt one :)
[05:30] <St0n3-C0l> l0l
[05:30] <MachineScrew> ok any one
[05:30] <dooglus> dsd: just use the 'system menu', then 'administration', then 'synaptic' to install the program you want
[05:30] <dsd> i meant are the programs that are readily available for knoppix, availbe for download for ubuntu such as airsnort and aireplay?
[05:30] <Jormundgand> Hah. Tooltip for "About GNOME" is "Know more about GNOME". People look at it and think "coo, it puts info in my head just by clicking a button!"
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  well technically there is, but I doubt you would beable to make sense of it ;)
[05:31] <dsd> dooglus, thanks alot
[05:31] <St0n3-C0l> dsd: should be, update your sources.list
[05:31] <Jormundgand> -VaderDarth- VERSION Chatzilla <IP_ADDRESS> [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]
[05:31] <nalioth> dsd: pretty much anything you see on knoppix is available for ubuntu
[05:31] <chillywilly> what tool can I use to redirect sound to my mplayer?
[05:31] <dsd> nalioth, thanks
[05:31] <transgress> Jormundgand: yep... which can run on windows...
[05:31] <crimmy> Varanger: /join #alsa
[05:31] <chillywilly> there's no esddsp anymore...
[05:31] <MachineScrew> god damnit why are these chat rooms so useless just a quick answer or somthing come on people
[05:31] <Jormundgand> -VaderDarth- OS Windows NT 5.1 (Win32)
[05:32] <bob2> chillywilly: redirect sound *to* mplayer? what are you trying to do?
[05:32] <Jormundgand> ;)
[05:32] <bob2> MachineScrew: why do you need to recompile it?
[05:32] <dooglus> dsd: airsnort is available.  I don't see 'aireplay', but 'aircrack' is there.
[05:32] <VaderDarth> yes
[05:32] <bob2> MachineScrew: being polite and giving all the neccessary information in your question will encourage people to answer you.
[05:32] <chillywilly> bob2: sound does not work in mplayer because the sound card is blocked by the sound server
[05:32] <MachineScrew> to get the GNOME Batt Mon to work
[05:32] <nalioth> MachineScrew: if some1 knew the answer you were looking for, they'd tell you
[05:32] <St0n3-C0l> MachineScrew: May http://www.ubuntuguide.org help you or http://ubuntuforums.org OR http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:32] <dsd> dooglus, where do u see the list? on the ubuntu site?
[05:32] <crimmy> chillywilly: -ao esd doesn't work?
[05:32] <chillywilly> bob2: what is the trick to remedy said situation
[05:32] <bob2> chillywilly: mplayer -ao esd
[05:32] <chillywilly> that might work
[05:32] <dooglus> dsd, no, in 'synaptic'
[05:33] <nalioth> dsd: ubuntulinux.org/wiki look for "restricted formats"
[05:33] <St0n3-C0l> MachineScrew: If people don't know how to do it they won't answer you :)
[05:33] <Jormundgand> * Ping reply from VaderDarth: ? second(s)
[05:33] <Jormundgand> XD
[05:33] <MachineScrew> St0n3-C0l:no they don't
[05:33] <dsd> dooglus: thanks
[05:33] <dsd> nalioth: thaks
[05:33] <dsd> thanks
[05:33] <St0n3-C0l> and if someone will know related bout ur question...they'll surely answer ur question
[05:34] <dooglus> dsd: alternatively, go here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and type, for example "aireplay" into the 2nd 'keyboard' box.  it'll tell you which package aireplay is in
[05:34] <MachineScrew> damn so no one here knows how to recompile a kernel under debian how sad
[05:34] <crimmy> MachineScrew: there are multiple methods
[05:34] <chillywilly> thanks guys
[05:34] <chillywilly> I knew it was something simple just couldn't remember what
[05:35] <crimmy> MachineScrew: you could use kernel-package or the standard make && make bzImage && ...
[05:35] <danko123456> bob2: I have an issue here:) check this out. I install warty on a computer, and it installs fine, I change sources.list to hoary, and upgrade...during the upgrade I get lots of errors about my hard drive being nto good and I remember the words"uncorrectable error" but it seemed to upgrade fine, and then I wanted to add a GUI, cause I did a server install, but now my pppoeconf is not working all the sudden, and when I ifconfig after
[05:35] <St0n3-C0l> I don't know how to compile a kernel on Debian-based..i've compiled them in Slackware
[05:35] <bob2> MachineScrew: stop being so obnoxious
[05:35] <bob2> MachineScrew: you seem to be the only person whoconclusively doesn't kno whow to do it
[05:35] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I need to know the quickiest way that I can apply an patch
[05:35] <VaderDarth> ok so nice one i will reboot now
[05:35] <threat> hmm I know this is out of scope of Ubuntu, although with apt-proxy it tells me that some of the package are not PGP signed, however when I use the source for the site instead of going thorugh apt-proxy is doesnt complain :/  what am I missing/
[05:35] <crimmy> MachineScrew: the fastest way? If you're familiar with the stock config, just apply it there and recompile it
[05:36] <crimmy> MachineScrew: if you're familiar with the Debian method, drop it in as a dpatch
[05:36] <MachineScrew> crimmy: no I am not
[05:36] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: Is that possible that I download from kernel.org and then start "make menuconfig" "make" "make bzImage" "make modules" etc
[05:36] <dsd> dooglus: thanks so do u think if i just write down a list of progs that knoppix has which ubuntu doesnt and then search it on the ubuntu packages search engine, I will most likely find what i need?
[05:36] <nalioth> MachineScrew: do we make fun of your shortcomings? consideration
[05:36] <pfp> danko123456: have you run badblocks on the drive?
[05:36] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: absolutely; you can use whatever method makes you fuzzy.
[05:36] <pfp> booting from separate media ofc
[05:36] <danko123456> so I run badblocks from a term, no...
[05:36] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: It won't trouble na ?
[05:37] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: Ubuntu has certain config options enabled for good reasons; it's a good idea to look at them first. This doesn't even go into the patches that Ubuntu applies.
[05:37] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I don't know how to do that can you point me to a doc that will describe that
[05:37] <danko123456> pfp: it needs params, shoudl I man badblocks?
[05:37] <dooglus> dsd: yes.  one thing though, you probably don't have all the sources you need set up yet.  it's easy to do though.
[05:37] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: where do i see them ?
[05:38] <crimmy> MachineScrew: nearly all Linux source has a readme with instructions.
[05:38] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:38] <threat> good I was ignored :P I will try to google for it now ;)
[05:38] <pfp> danko123456: yeah, and also dont run 'badblocks /dev/hda' if your system is running from hda ;)
[05:38] <dsd> dooglus, youve been a great help but excuse me for my newbiness but what exactly are sources
[05:38] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I just need to apply the patch to the stock kernel using "dpatch" like you said
[05:39] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: If I save the config file and then just replace with the newer one then ?
[05:39] <danko123456> well, I only have one hard drive there.
[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> is ssh set up be default in ubuntu?
[05:39] <transgress> no
[05:39] <danko123456> umount everything except /boot, or something??? i have no clue...
[05:39] <dooglus> dsd, did you run 'synaptic' yet?
[05:39] <cthulfuego> scoperesolutoin: Not the server, I think.
[05:39] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I am not a Linux novice just a Debian novice
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[05:39] <Jormundgand> * VaderDarth has quit ("Chatzilla <IP_ADDRESS> [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511] ")
[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> ok
[05:39] <danko123456> put it into this machine???
[05:39] <St0n3-C0l> scoperesolution: openssh-client is installed bydefault and openssh-server u'll have to install it manually
[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> ok
[05:40] <pfp> danko123456: booting from a live or install cd would be a good idea then, running badblocks from that
[05:40] <cthulfuego> danko123456: GO to single-user mode, unmount all but /, then remount / read-only, then run fsck with appropriate options.
[05:40] <crimmy> MachineScrew: it'll be more efficient for you to use the stock (vanilla) make $config && make bzImage && make modules && ... method, then
[05:40] <danko123456> hmm...so man fsck and that badblocks then?
[05:40] <Varanger> crimmy: I entered to #alsa... should I ask about the problem there?
[05:40] <crimmy> Varanger: sec
[05:40] <danko123456> I have an install cd, I just did an install.
[05:40] <dsd> dooglus, no but im sure i have it. im going to try getting ubuntu onto a partition for now and ill get back to u when im on it. Im sure im going to run into a lot of trouble since i have a broadcom 4306 chipset as my wifi
[05:41] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: copy Ubuntu's config over and make oldconfig
[05:41] <cthulfuego> danko123456: Then just boot the install cd, wait for the dialog to come up, hit alt-F2 and run fsck on the appropriate partition.
[05:41] <danko123456> dialog being that screen?
[05:41] <St0n3-C0l> u mean i save this ubuntu's config and then replace with the newer one and type command "make oldconfig" ?
[05:41] <pfp> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/ <- also good for pure h/w diagnostics
[05:41] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: you don't need to save it; it's already saved.
[05:42] <danko123456> thank you.
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> plus how do I update grub ? like if u use lilo u type 'lilo'
[05:42] <crimmy> sudo update-grub
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> ahan
[05:42] <danko123456> Its a new thing:( I am sick too, I really wish it worked out the box:)
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> anyone using xchat 2.4.3 here ?
[05:43] <garnertr> evening (fr my area) all... :)
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> morning here :P
[05:43] <garnertr> morning to you then...
[05:43] <Jormundgand> Early morning here.
[05:43] <Quest-Master> 11:43 PM :D
[05:43] <nalioth> you mean you guys actually sleep?
[05:43] <Jormundgand> 04:43 ;)
[05:43] <cthulfuego> 13:49
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:43] <dsd> dooglus: one more thing, i have tried searching my chipset EVERYWHERE to see if it is compatible with any kind of wep hacking programs but ive found nothing, do u have any suggestions as to where i might obtain a program that is compatilbe with the bcm4306 chipset
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> I haven't sleep yet
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:43] <danko123456> Jormundgand: iceland?
[05:43] <pfp> danko123456: pity... :( sounds a bit like hardware trouble to me anyway
[05:44] <Jormundgand> danko123456: close, Britain.
[05:44] <threat> St0n3-C0l, me!
[05:44] <garnertr> I just wanted to thank everyone that helped me get my laptop to recognize my DVD/CDR player, dunno what happened but after slicking the dr and re-installing w/ the i386 flavor, everything is working GREAT!!
[05:44] <danko123456> yeAH it is obviously...:)
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> threat: u too ?
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:44] <DonL> 08:44 PM here
[05:44] <threat> 2.4.1
[05:44] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Although I've been to Iceland. Nice place.
[05:44] <dooglus> dsd: I don't know much about wireless, sorry.  I only tried for about 10 minutes to get WEP working with my adaptor before I decided that I'd rather use a cable anyway.
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> ur using 2.4.3 or 2.4.1?
[05:44] <danko123456> Jormundgand: from your name, and the time, I made the mistake:)
[05:45] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Heh.
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[05:45] <dsd> dooglus ok thanks alot ill try out ur suggestions
[05:45] <DonL> Jormundgand, I'd like to visit Iceland
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> i dun how people check user's location by checking their ip :P
[05:45] <nalioth> dsd if your wireless works for the internet, it'll most likely (special cases won't) be usable for airsnort/whatever
[05:45] <garnertr> Now that my dr is being 'seen' I just need to get the right player to run my dvd's... :)
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> if anybody knows bout this..please temme :>
[05:45] <_jah_> how do i add the mac os X like bar with all the icons on it that link to applications in ubuntu
[05:45] <danko123456> the first part before the . is ISP specific sometimes.
[05:46] <nalioth> _jah_: that is a damned good question
[05:46] <danko123456> There may be lists, St0n3-C0l.
[05:46] <Jormundgand> _jah_: A number of ways. You can use the Enlightenment bar, or there's a gDesklet, or there's Xfce.
[05:46] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:46] <nalioth> Jormundgand: enlightenment bar?
[05:46] <_jah_> i'm on the default gnome desktop
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> ya know
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[05:47] <Jormundgand> nalioth: I forget the name. Search "Enlightenment bar" on Google should bring it up.
[05:47] <crimmy> skel_home: err...?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> what do we say MAC OS X?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> theme
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> black...bliar ?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> lolz
[05:47] <crimmy> skel_home: are you referring to mozilla-firefox?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> strange name :>
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> something from m ?
[05:48] <skel_home> crimmy: yeah, came in here several days ago with that inquery and everyone assured me that the way ubuntu was doing things was the correct way.. I suggested that an updated version number would be most prudent and was shrugged off
[05:48] <danko123456> St0n3-C0l: got my explanation?
[05:48] <_jah_> can i type sudo apt-get install gDesklet
[05:48] <_jah_> and will it install and set it up for me?
[05:48] <Jormundgand> _jah_: sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[05:49] <skel_home> crimmy: so now I have to go read some damn bug submission to get the work around for installing extensions for firefox.
[05:49] <Jormundgand> _jah_: and yes.
[05:49] <_jah_> ok thanks
[05:49] <cthulfuego> skel_home: Suppose you got outvoted *shrug*
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: the problem is that Ubuntu's version _isn't_ 1.0.4
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: it's _only_ security fixes.
[05:49] <J35U5> anyone know a reason xmms would lock up whenever i try to play an mp3?
[05:49] <Jormundgand> J35U5: You need the plugin.
[05:49] <dr_willis> you just use the about:whaever and set the verison to be 1.0.4 :P and you can isntall them - i recall.
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: to reversion it as 1.0.4 would be misleading and incorrect.
[05:49] <_jah_> E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[05:49] <_jah_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[05:49] <danko123456> skel_home: you can aslo ask us to guide you thru it:)
[05:49] <skel_home> crimmy: thats fine.. but even debian does stuff like reflect that patch in the package info
[05:49] <J35U5> Jormundgand, i ahve it.
[05:49] <_jah_> i keep getting that message
[05:49] <IcemanV9> _jah_: i believe it is called "starter bar" in gdesklets. not sure though.
[05:49] <danko123456> open about:config in FF
[05:50] <St0n3-C0l> dankol123456: Yeah u mean there'll be alot of peoples who know bout this
[05:50] <danko123456> in the address batr
[05:50] <danko123456> then search for .vendorSub
[05:50] <St0n3-C0l> but temme what do we call MAC OS X theme in other words :P
[05:50] <dooglus> ubuntu still only offers firefox 1.0.2, with security fixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 backported
[05:50] <skel_home> danko123456: I know, everyone in here has been very willing to help =]  that I am greatful for
[05:50] <danko123456> and change that to 1.0.4
[05:50] <pfp> J35U5: wrong output device in preferences maybe
[05:50] <Jormundgand> I'm slightly miffed that the backports 1.0.4 doesn't update its vendorSub.
[05:50] <danko123456> skel_home: and that is it.
[05:50] <danko123456> Jormundgand: yeah, that would be handy, I guess.
[05:50] <crimmy> skel_home: there's nothing in the changelog that even remotely suggests that it contains the bugfixes (not security fixes!) from 1.0.4
[05:51] <_jah_> my ap-get doesn't work for anything
[05:51] <_jah_> i keep getting a message saying E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[05:51] <_jah_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[05:51] <danko123456> sudo apt-get update
[05:51] <Jormundgand> _jah_: The error message is illuminating. Try pastebinning your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:51] <danko123456> then, also change your sources.list to www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list :)
[05:51] <skel_home> crimmy: which change log?
[05:51] <_jah_> how do i do that
[05:51] <skel_home> crimmy: the one for debian?
[05:51] <_jah_> Jormundgand
[05:51] <danko123456> skel_home: extensions work now?
[05:52] <Dr_Melectaus> seriously ive asked so many times ive lost count. Has _ANYONE_ got any idea when the dam torrent tracker will be back up ??
[05:52] <Jormundgand> _jah_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list there.
[05:52] <skel_home> danko123456: will try shortly =]  though I'm leary of what else that may break =/
[05:52] <crimmy> skel_home: Ubuntu
[05:52] <danko123456> _jah_: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , also change your sources.list to www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[05:52] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: did you know...  you can download using Azureus?
[05:52] <danko123456> skel_home: well, nothing breaks with that.
[05:52] <danko123456> Altho I never use ff, but I dont think that breaks anything.
[05:53] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, what do you mean
[05:53] <crimmy> skel_home: mozilla-firefox (1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3) hoary-security; urgency=low
[05:53] <danko123456> crimmy: where is that from?
[05:53] <_jah_> danko123456 why should I? is it an official repository, or are you trying to screw me over?
[05:53] <gizmo> Hey all- Hello!
[05:53] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: try downloading the torrent you want using Azureus.  You'll be amazed.  The tracker is down, but Azureus doesn't care about such trivialities...
[05:53] <danko123456> _jah_: You will never know...
[05:53] <danko123456> :)
[05:53] <_jah_> by the way pastebin.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be responding
[05:53] <skel_home> crimmy: what was the reason for not releasing 1.0.4? I'd imagine it has a high enough userbase to be well enough tested.
[05:54] <danko123456> jj, it is something that a guy called nickrud did, adn it works great here, has all the official ubuntu repos...
[05:54] <crimmy> danko123456: the changelog
[05:54] <garnertr> dumbe newbie ?, how do I find a file on my ubuntu system?  I'm looking for a spec file but dunno how to "search", any tips? duh sorry just don't SEE it...
[05:54] <skel_home> the browser is a pretty critical thing to keep current
[05:54] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, will i be able to continue the download from where it stopped last week. i only have 200 megs left to go
[05:54] <crimmy> skel_home: it's standard security policy for Ubuntu
[05:54] <Johnnyfav> I installed an application with wine....onto the 'c:'  and I can't find it anywhere....where is it?
[05:54] <cthulfuego> skel_home: firefox is "a browser" not "the browser"
[05:54] <danko123456> _jah_: it is ubuntu.pastebin.com ...
[05:54] <skel_home> cthulfuego: your point?
[05:54] <danko123456> it is the browser almost...
[05:54] <skel_home> crimmy: I guess I can be greatful enough for security policies =P
[05:54] <perrygeo> Anyone know how to configure Ubuntu as a print server to XP machines on a LAN?
[05:55] <dr_willis> Johnnyfav,  theres a 'fake' windows dir somewher in your homedir. try 'ls -a'
[05:55] <danko123456> I mean, I cant install my epiphany without ff.
[05:55] <crimmy> skel_home: security fixes are backported. You can't ensure that a new version (1.0.4) that is a security fix doesn't also introduce new bugs.
[05:55] <cthulfuego> skel_home: Just pointing out that firefox isn't the be all and end all of Ubuntu.
[05:55] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: I would guess so, but I can't promise it - I've never tried switching bittorrent clients part way though.  If you have enough disk space, I would suggest making a copy of your partially completed file and pointing azureus at the new copy - that way if it tramples all over it, you've lost nothing
[05:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Cool
[05:55] <pfp> Johnnyfav: ~/.wine/fake_windows
[05:55] <skel_home> cthulfuego: never said it was. though it does have a hefty margin of the market out of the oss browsers.
[05:55] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, you got a link to this client?
[05:56] <nalioth> danko123456: we know you have secretly compiled every pkg available to ubuntu, and are pointing at that URL for your own nefarious purposes
[05:56] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: you need a the sun java runtime environment first - do you have it?
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> MAC OS X theme is basically called ??? What ?
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> yeah
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> I tried that...but it'
[05:56] <cthulfuego> St0n3-C0l: Aqua
[05:56] <perrygeo> I've been trying CUPS for over an hour.. do I NEED to install Samba to make Ubuntu a print server?
[05:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes dooglus
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> the directory Steam isn't on showing
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> nah
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> not aqua
[05:56] <cthulfuego> St0n3-C0l: Yes, Aqua.
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> someone told me ...but i forgot
[05:56] <skel_home> crimmy: so is the policy to wait every 6 months for a new browser version and only release security fixes? that seems like a pretty weak cycle
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> it was in apt-get too
[05:57] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: so it's here: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php
[05:57] <Jormundgand> perrygeo: Only if sharing to Windows comps.
[05:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks dooglus
[05:57] <cthulfuego> What someone else calls it is a different matter. the UI style is called Aqua.
[05:57] <dooglus> no worries.
[05:57] <danko123456> nalioth: well, you know that, but, some newb...I will get my hands on one one of these days...Ive been learning foreign klanguages, I hear that the #ubuntu-xx are pretty dead, I could get away with lots there...
[05:57] <perrygeo> Jormundgand: So Samba is necessary... i heard you could do it through CUPS alone
[05:57] <Jormundgand> skel_home: If you care that much use backports and get the latest features.
[05:57] <J35U5> pfp, that was it. i had to change it to alsa.
[05:58] <Johnnyfav> I get into the fake windows directory and everything shows except Steam...then I go to reinstall it and when I browse for where I want to install it it shows Steam on c:
[05:58] <Johnnyfav> and I listed -a
[05:58] <Jormundgand> St0n3-C0l: There's a KDE theme called Baghira.
[05:58] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: apparently the tracker is up anyway...
[05:58] <gizmo> Baghira rocks
[05:58] <Dr_Melectaus> it is??
[05:58] <crimmy> skel_home: no, the policy has nothing to do with new versions whatsoever. The policy depends on backporting only the security fixes to whatever version the stable versions released with.
[05:58] <Dr_Melectaus> how longs it been up for dooglus ?
[05:58] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: I don't know - it was down on Friday, and seems to be up now.  I've been away for the weekend
[05:58] <skel_home> crimmy: ok. thanks for your time and patience. much appreciated =]
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> ahh
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> bhagira
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> bhaghira
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> baghira :P
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> i also found in the site :>
[05:58] <crimmy> skel_home: np
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> Jormundgand: Thanks :)
[05:59] <pfp> J35U5: good. Esound / ESD can be a good choice too, to let other apps share the card
[05:59] <DonL> Is bhagira available for Gnome?
[05:59] <Jormundgand> St0n3-C0l: Baghira is the name of the panther from the Jungle Book.
[05:59] <garnertr> thanks; gotta blast...
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:59] <Jormundgand> DonL: No :( If you want to make it for GNOME I'm all for it.
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> Disney Channel Rocks :P
[05:59] <gizmo> Jormundgand:  For real?
[05:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> anyone here migrated from Thunderbird Win -> Thunderbird Linux?
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> yes
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[06:00] <Jormundgand> Davey|Work: Yep! Diehard Thunderbird user.
[06:00] <Jormundgand> Davey|Ubuntu*
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> I used once on windows
[06:00] <gizmo> So... KDE on Ubuntu is Kbuntu?
[06:00] <Jormundgand> gizmo: Kubuntu.
[06:00] <DonL> Davey|Ubuntu, how's it work under Windows. My boss wants to know
[06:00] <danko123456> kUbuntu:)
[06:00] <gizmo> Ahhh, ok.
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> Donl: Works well with XP
[06:01] <Jormundgand> Hence the regexp to refer to both of them, (Ku|U)buntu.
[06:01] <nalioth> if y'all are bored check out the weather for Houston, tx
[06:01] <DonL> How's the spam stuff work?
[06:01] <nalioth> we're in a shi*storm here
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: its awesome :)
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: great after its trained :)
[06:01] <_jah_> i download the gDesklets
[06:01] <_jah_> and now i need help setting it up
[06:01] <DonL> That's what I needed to know. Thanks a bunch
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: my wife, who is an art geek, loves Thunderbird :)
[06:01] <gizmo> Anyone here using Kubuntu?
[06:01] <_jah_> can someone help me?
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> gizmo: there is a #kubuntu :)
[06:01] <danko123456> there is a #kubuntu I hear it is dead.
[06:01] <killapop> gizmo: im on kubuntu
[06:01] <danko123456> _jah_: yes, we all likely can.
[06:01] <danko123456> did you want us to?
[06:02] <Davey|Ubuntu> _jah_: Whats up? I have issues too
[06:02] <gizmo> killapop:  Is it a stable derivative?
[06:02] <Davey|Ubuntu> _jah_: find the Applications > Accessories > gDesklets stuff yet?
[06:02] <Jormundgand> gizmo: Kubuntu is stable, but it lacks the integration of Ubuntu.
[06:02] <_jah_> i want to get some of the desklets to show up
[06:02] <killapop> gizmo: yuss. i've been on it for about a week. no crashes
[06:02] <danko123456> _jah_: oh, setting up gdesklets, I havent got taht far, I just installed it so  far:)
[06:02] <_jah_> i went in to gdesklets and selected some and went to run selected
[06:02] <_jah_> and ti doesn't show
[06:02] <_jah_> it*
[06:03] <Jormundgand> gizmo: It needs to split from Ubuntu and set up its own set of repositories.
[06:03] <Jormundgand> Then it could make decisions independently.
[06:03] <Burgundavia> Jormundgand, no it doesn't, that is mad
[06:03] <IcemanV9> _jah_: gdesklets_data is broken .. uninstall it and install it manually from gdesklets website
[06:03] <St0n3-C0l> is there any way to enable direct rendering in my linux box ?
[06:03] <gizmo> Jormundgand:  So its a bit more complicated than Ubuntu with KDE 3.4 thrown in, eh?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> gizmo, Kubuntu is merely Ubuntu with Kde, instead of Gnome
[06:03] <Jormundgand> Burgundavia: That's my opinion, anyhow.
[06:03] <_jah_> ohh
[06:03] <danko123456> Jormundgand: I like your theory, I wonder if it has anything to do with reality, tho...
[06:03] <dooglus> does anyone use a 2-screen setup with ubuntu?
[06:03] <_jah_> how do I uninstall in ubuntu?
[06:03] <danko123456> Burgundavia: it can not merely be that,..
[06:04] <dooglus> _jah_: use synaptic
[06:04] <Burgundavia> DanglyBits, it is
[06:04] <Burgundavia> danko123456, it is
[06:04] <_jah_> ok
[06:04] <vince_> hello! does anyone have an Olympus Stylus 300 digital camera that was recognized as such (and not as a storage device) in ubuntu? I would really love to import my photos in linux... Thanks!
[06:04] <danko123456> Burgundavia: cause, kde uses kapps, and gnome uses gapps,. they are all different apps...
[06:04] <IcemanV9> _jah_: sudo apt-get remove <application>
[06:04] <Burgundavia> danko123456, the repos are the same, the packages are the same, the developers are the same
[06:04] <DonL> I tried to install KDE on Warty, and had a heck of a time doing it. Everything looked wrong.  The more I play with Gnome, the more I like it
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> alright :)
[06:06] <cocaine> Burgundavia, yes sir.
[06:06] <vince_> so it's quite inconvenient. gThumb remembers the camera as a folder, and doesn't load the pictures if the camera's not plugged in
[06:06] <danko123456> St0n3-C0l: yeah, if you have something to say...
[06:06] <QMario> Why is there an error in MPLAYER of that there are too many video packets in the buffer?
[06:06] <danko123456> vince_: please connect the camera, and do ls /media/usbdisk
[06:06] <QMario> I am trying to watch The Lion King.
[06:06] <vince_> danko123456, ok, just a sec
[06:07] <_jah_> ok so i goto http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/  and download what from there?
[06:08] <_jah_> http://www.pycage.de/download/gdesklets/gDesklets-0.34.3.tar.bz2 ?
[06:08] <vince_> danko123456, well, it does mount it properly, I see one folder dcim
[06:08] <_jah_> some one can please help me?
[06:08] <IcemanV9> _jah_: you already installed the base gdesklets .. look for sensor that you want to use
[06:08] <danko123456> cool,
[06:08] <_jah_> but you told me it was broken
[06:08] <danko123456> dcim is the right folder, ls that one.
[06:09] <_jah_> and i removed it
[06:09] <dooglus> is it possible to have a "notification area" on 2 different displays at the same time?  it doesn't seem to want to work for me
[06:09] <IcemanV9> _jah_: yeah. gdesklet-data (ubuntu package) is broken.
[06:09] <vince_> danko123456, but the dialogue that pops up only asks "Import photos from device", with no options like delete from camera...
[06:09] <_jah_> ohh
[06:09] <danko123456> you need to do it manually, the interface is different....pm me for a brief intro.
[06:10] <QMario> Why is there an error in MPLAYER of that there are too many video packets in the buffer?
[06:10] <_jah_> so i got back and do sudo apt-get install gdesklets and then gotot he website and download the different sensors and things i want
[06:10] <IcemanV9> _jah_: not from gdesklets website ... you'll have to download one of those sensors that you want to use
[06:10] <_jah_> and added it
[06:10] <IcemanV9> _jah_: u got it, pal :)
[06:10] <_jah_> ye and i made alot of typos
[06:10] <_jah_> thanks
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way to get Rhythmbox to load a large library?
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> It never works for me.
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> my library is about 7,000 songs
[06:12] <St0n3-C0l> 7,000 songs :P
[06:12] <dr_willis> thats ALMOST enough to fill an ipod!@
[06:12] <dr_willis> :p
[06:12] <DonL> off for the night. See ya later, folks
[06:12] <Jormundgand> Does anyone else agree that OpenOffice.org has a silly name compared to something like KOffice which keeps a sense of identity?
[06:13] <raDeon> Jormundgand, no.
[06:13] <pfp> i've never liked .org part
[06:13] <raDeon> Jormundgand, i strongly disagree with that statement
[06:13] <Jormundgand> Because KOffice is made up of KWord, KSpread, KPresent...there's a sense of togetherness about it. Compare with "OpenOffice.org Word Processor"... it's not a name, it's a description.
[06:13] <dooglus> Jormundgand: koffice sounds like a throat medicine to me
[06:13] <QMario> Is vlc better at playing DVDs than Totem or Mplayer?
[06:13] <raDeon> QMario, no.
[06:13] <transgress> QMario: i prefer it
[06:14] <transgress> it skips a lot less for me
[06:14] <raDeon> it's a matter of taste
[06:14] <QMario> What is the best player for DVDs?
[06:14] <hardcampa-> Ogle is probably best at dvds then xine and or vlc
[06:14] <transgress> well compared to totem
[06:14] <raDeon> QMario, windows media player
[06:14] <_jah_> how do i add more icons to the starterbar
[06:14] <Seq> i prefer totem
[06:14] <raDeon> totem is the shiznit
[06:14] <pfp> i prefer totem and the assorted mishmash of plugins
[06:14] <hardcampa-> totem support dvd menus?
[06:15] <pfp> yes
[06:15] <QMario> RaDeon, I meant in Ubuntu.
[06:15] <hardcampa-> with same plugin as xine I guess then pfp
[06:15] <raDeon> QMario, keep the R lowercase please.
[06:15] <Seq> hardcampa-: it can, i beleive. but i prefer it because it doesn't have to
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> Anyone have an answer?
[06:15] <pfp> totem-xine, yep
[06:15] <Jormundgand> raDeon: You sound like me when I used the name "XinuX". I got bitchy when people spelt it "Xinux".
[06:15] <raDeon> thechitowncubs, yes
[06:15] <hardcampa-> Seq I get that, only sometimes you need to access those menues
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> or is large library support a no no
[06:16] <raDeon> Jormundgand, congratulations, i am happy for your anecdotal idiocy.
[06:16] <Seq> hardcampa-: haven't had that come up yet, personally anyway
[06:16] <QMario> Sorry, raDeon. :-D
[06:17] <raDeon> QMario, no problems at all, but the emperor is not as forgiving as me
[06:17] <nern> hello there
[06:17] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i'd google it, its likely not ubuntu specific if large libraries don't work
[06:17] <raDeon> nern, wtf u want
[06:17] <nern> nothing
[06:17] <danko123456> he is joking, nern.
[06:17] <nern> i know i know
[06:17] <raDeon> am i?
[06:17] <nern> :)
[06:17] <danko123456> ghe keeps having these absurd jokes...
[06:18] <raDeon> hahahaha that's because i am clinically insane
[06:18] <nern> nice
[06:18] <danko123456> regardless of whether you are, it is better for us to say you are:)
[06:18] <raDeon> license to kill, i do believe
[06:18] <nern> i just switched to ubuntu like a week ago
[06:18] <atomicstardust> I just installed this (Ubuntu) on my laptop and I love it. I used to run RedHat 7,8,9 and Fedora core 2 and 3, and suse 8, and this has thus far impressed me.
[06:18] <Ryan_> Uhm, im not sure if any of you guys can help me, but ive got a problem and i know that the people in here are freindly and know alot in there fields but ive got a problem :-\
[06:18] <raDeon> nern, let me get a high-five
[06:19] <raDeon> may i say that you've made an excellent choice
[06:19] <Jormundgand> Ryan_: Go see the genitourinary clinic. They're specialists in dealing with "problems".
[06:19] <nate__> i know there is kdm, and there is gdm, but is there one thats native to xfce?
[06:19] <Jormundgand> nate__: Technically xdm, but that sucks.
[06:19] <nern> gdm would be yer best bet
[06:19] <nern> since it is gtk based also
[06:19] <Seq> Ryan_: whats the issue?
[06:19] <nate__> Jormundgand: i'm just sick of xfce asking me for my password when i want to shut down
[06:20] <nern> yeah that would be annoying
[06:20] <nern> thats weird though
[06:20] <Ryan_> lol Jormundgand, unfortunatly its to do with my HDD. I think its got a corrupt sector in it if thats the correct term. basicly when ever it gets to a certain part of it i hear it clicking like its jumping, then my screen frezes and i get the blue screen of death
[06:20] <nern> i installed xfce also and it never did that
[06:20] <nate__> nern: i think its that xfce isn't native to gdm, not sure though
[06:20] <danko123456> Ryan_: nice:)
[06:20] <nern> i donno
[06:21] <danko123456> I have a bad hard on my hands too...:) it suck, tho, I dont even feel like fixing it...
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: you get a BSOD on ubuntu?
[06:21] <nate__> nern: in theory it makes sense though, shutting down is a root action, so sudo would be required
[06:21] <nate__> nern: but its annoying
[06:21] <nern> yeah
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: your HD is on its death throes
[06:21] <Ryan_> im actually running Dows xp :( i litrally just finished downloading ubuntu live/dvd about a min ago
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: save what you can quickly and buy a new one
[06:21] <atomicstardust> I don't really know too much about linux but over the yeras I've picked up enough to know the basic structure. Is there a particularly good book or resource that would assist me and would apply to ubuntu as well?
[06:22] <nate__> anyone had the issue with xfce where it asks you for a pword to shutdown?
[06:22] <Ryan_> nalioth, ive got a 5 year warranty. cost me 500, the feckers at compaq can send me a free on :)
[06:22] <Jormundgand> nate__: yes.
[06:22] <Seq> Ryan_: i was going to suggest tailing kernel output, but you can't do that in windows :p
[06:22] <nalioth> atomicstardust: any good linux book will help you
[06:22] <Ryan_> :(
[06:22] <nalioth> Ryan_: then get to writing
[06:22] <nalioth> Ryan_: but save your stuff (pR0n takes a long time to collect)
[06:23] <Seq> Ryan_: i'd say try burning important stuff to cds before you try playing around with it
[06:23] <Ryan_> nalioth, ive got the day off college. im going to take care of it today ;O
[06:23] <nate__> Jormundgand: any fix for it?
[06:23] <Seq> Ryan_: but you might just want to get a new drive (or test the drive in another machine as well)
[06:23] <Jormundgand> nate__: besides screwing your system up, no.
[06:23] <atomicstardust> nalioth, does it have to be debian related or can it be a book for redhat
[06:23] <nalioth> Ryan_: as seq said, burn off your valuable (pR0n) data b4 dealing further
[06:23] <nern> i have a craptastic 5400rpm 40GB drive sitting right next to me
[06:23] <nate__> Jormundgand: how so?
[06:23] <danko123456> atomicstardust: pm...
[06:23] <nalioth> atomicstardust: the general usage is the same for all linux
[06:23] <Ryan_> ill take it out later and remove the caseing to see if its anything like dust (god knows how it got thru the caseing)
[06:24] <Jormundgand> nate__: I was messing around, did a server install and installed xorg separately in an attempt to get xfce on its own (Xubuntu?) and it didn't ask, but the system was f*cked.
[06:24] <nalioth> atomicstardust: and even reading about rpms and such can be enlightening
[06:24] <nate__> Jormundgand: heh, ok, yeah, no thanks
[06:24] <Seq> Ryan_: uhh, don't remove the casing on the hard disk
[06:24] <Ryan_> nalioth, i burn all porn to disc anyway. Too much for one hard drive im afrais :P
[06:24] <danko123456> nalioth: funny...the pr0n parts...:)
[06:24] <Ryan_> seq: why not
[06:24] <nalioth> atomicstardust: regardless of what you're thinking, sometimes you have to interact with a rpm here in debian land
[06:24] <nate__> Jormundgand: figured it was cuz it wasn't native, no worries, its just annoying
[06:24] <Ryan_> just to inspect if theres any visable damage to it
[06:24] <danko123456> atomicstardust: PM!:)
[06:24] <Ryan_> if there isnt im demanding a new one
[06:24] <nalioth> Ryan_: a wise choice (keeps snoops from find it easily)
[06:24] <nern> i go out of my way to never touch rpms
[06:24] <Seq> Ryan_: you'll almost certainly mess up the alignment
[06:24] <nern> ha
[06:25] <nern> how come ubuntu is mean about using alternate repos?
[06:25] <Ryan_> alignment? im only takeing the metal boxing off the hdd. not totally stripping it down :-\
[06:25] <atomicstardust> nanlioth, thank you, I think I understand now.
[06:25] <Seq> Ryan_: and no manufacturer in their right mind would replace a drive under warranty that looked like it has been opened
[06:25] <Jormundgand> nern: Because NON-OFFICIAL DEBS ARE IMPURE. >:O
[06:25] <crimmy> nern: because supporting them is a pain.
[06:25] <nalioth> Ryan_: i agree don't mess with it at all. call compaqs WonderFul customer svc and ask them what to do
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: otw, you may void warranty
[06:26] <Ryan_> ok seq ill take your advice. ill ask if i can get a new one sent out. i just hope they dont bloody want me to send my laptop away so they can inspect it themselves
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: its in a lappy?
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: say goodbye for a while
[06:26] <Seq> Ryan_: the spindle the platters sit on screws into the top and the bottom of the drive. you must undo the top to take the casing off (at least all of my book-ends were like this)
[06:26] <Ryan_> last time i had a problem with the CPU, and the power supply. The retard at tech support just wouldnt listen
[06:27] <Ryan_> nalioth, yes
[06:27] <nern> i need a new cpu
[06:27] <Seq> Ryan_: i've read of too many people trying to replace the top of their hard disks with clear plexiglass for case mods, and their drives never work afterwards
[06:27] <Ryan_> nern, ive had 2 new cpu's for this lappy. its always haveing problems with them
[06:27] <Seq> Ryan_: yeah, i've been having issues with my laptop for a while too
[06:28] <nalioth> Ryan_: one of my clients kids has a HP lappy with a prob i could fix in 5 minutes onsite. however it's under warranty and the parents would rather send it off for 3 weeks
[06:28] <nern> dont you hate that
[06:28] <nalioth> Ryan_: to solve future probs with lappys, buy yourself an iBook
[06:28] <Seq> Ryan_: they've replaced my motherboard three times and the lcd once (over three calls -- next one is a direct replacement. finally)
[06:28] <Ryan_> nalioth, thats exatly what i hate. sending it off and haveing geeky bastards searching for porn so they can back it up for free
[06:29] <danko123456> Seq: nice....
[06:29] <Ryan_> ibook? thats apple aint it?
[06:29] <nern> this lady at work was telling me how she took her computer to a computer repair guy and paid like 200 dollars for him to "clean up" her system and install a new cd drive(not even a burner)
[06:29] <dr_willis> heh.
[06:29] <Seq> nalioth: so you can have the logic board die? I've never heard of any model of laptop that will be completely issue free
[06:29] <danko123456> nern: yup, standard rip-off procedure...
[06:29] <Ryan_> seq, ive had new cpu, then new mobo, then another new cpu, new charger, and something else
[06:29] <Ryan_> cant remember
[06:29] <nern> its sad
[06:30] <Seq> nern: future shop here has a $75 "computer checkup" :D
[06:30] <danko123456> nern: did you tell her you would have installed a hard disk ;) for that much??
[06:30] <danko123456> Seq: future shop is only in canada, right?
[06:30] <Seq> danko123456: yeah, but its best buy. same deal
[06:30] <_kevin> whats the short cut to take a screenshot
[06:30] <Seq> but on commission!
[06:30] <danko123456> I kno, I live here too:)
[06:30] <nalioth> Ryan_: yes iBooks can be had under $999usd (or cheaper, if ya have the student discount)
[06:30] <_kevin> i jus customized my desktop and wnana take a pic of it
[06:30] <nern> well i told he she could have bought a dvd burner for under a hundred bucks and i could have easily installed that and then she could have burned all important data to a dvd and then reformatted
[06:31] <danko123456> Seq: which city?
[06:31] <Seq> danko123456: London, you?
[06:31] <_kevin> while i play with gdesklet
[06:31] <danko123456> _kevin: is it gnome?
[06:31] <_kevin> ye
[06:31] <danko123456> seq, winnipef.
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> London is in Canada :P
[06:31] <_kevin> this _jah_
[06:31] <nern> man i love gnome
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> I heard it's in England
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[06:31] <nern> i switched to it when i switched to ubuntu
[06:31] <_kevin> but my normal nick is _kevin
[06:31] <nern> and i am now mad that i ever used kde
[06:31] <Ryan_> is ubuntu 5.04-dvd i386.iso meant to be 2.74gb ?? just to make sure ive dl it all
[06:31] <nalioth> hate to break this news, but London is in Kentucky
[06:32] <Seq> St0n3-C0l: 'New London' is also taken, so i guess you gotta settle with something
[06:32] <danko123456> ah, well, you go System, Take Screenshot, alt+f1 to open the first menu, then twice to the right arrow, and then down arrow, and select take screenshot.
[06:32] <Ryan_> because when the tracker went down i ended up wasteing about 10 dvd's burning it and trying to make the fecker boot
[06:32] <nern> i live in ky
[06:32] <Seq> danko123456: i was there in summer 2003. Great city :)
[06:32] <disquiet> hullo
[06:32] <danko123456> is anyone gonna throw a comment about KFC?
[06:32] <danko123456> hi.
[06:32] <danko123456> thanks, not too bad:)
[06:32] <Seq> danko123456: granted only there for about eleven hours, but meh
[06:32] <danko123456> A lot of ppl complain, tho..
[06:32] <danko123456> hehe...
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[06:33] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: just md5sum the iso file to be sure. that's all you need.
[06:33] <Ryan_> IcemanV9, uhm. how do i do that. i have the hash but ive always wondered wtf its for
[06:33] <nern> i cant run the UT2004 linux installer for some reason
[06:33] <disquiet> I think... I am realizing that I may just be too stupid for linux
[06:34] <danko123456> disquiet: thats weird...
[06:34] <Seq> alright, time for the nightly "find ac adapter in next three minutes" dance
[06:34] <disquiet> I'm getting ready to pitch my computer out the window and get a pretty colored plastic mac
[06:34] <nern> everybody has to start somewhere
[06:34] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: md5sum <filename>.iso
[06:34] <nern> i hate macs
[06:34] <danko123456> disquiet: ya, me too, but then I think abiout how that would be giving up, and meek...
[06:34] <Ryan_> IcemanV9, where to i input it??
[06:34] <nalioth> Ryan_: in your case, you
[06:34] <nalioth> 'll need to d/l a windoze widget to find md5s
[06:34] <Ryan_> sorry IcemanV9 ive never really done this before
[06:34] <clay> mac is the place to be
[06:34] <disquiet> I promised a friend I would do this linux dealie, to help increase the number of decently attractive female nerds
[06:34] <nalioth> IcemanV9: ryan only has windoze
[06:35] <disquiet> I'm ready to quit already and it's been 24 hours
[06:35] <Ryan_> :(
[06:35] <nern> its a super sexy resource hog
[06:35] <Jormundgand> disquiet: What is the problem?
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: you're on windows .. which mades sense. ha. sorry.
[06:35] <nalioth> disquiet: decently attractive?
[06:35] <danko123456> disquiet: well, what are you seeing issues with?
[06:35] <disquiet> It just seems to be one problem after another. I just don't know how to DO anything, and I think I can learn
[06:35] <disquiet> but can't find someplace that explains things easily to me
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: you'll need to d/l md5sum version for windows. search for it via google.
[06:35] <Ryan_> 2.74 gigs. is that the file size. cant find it on the site so just wondering if it is that so i can burn it and boot up
[06:35] <geetergod> when I go to use apt-get i get this message...
[06:35] <geetergod> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:35] <geetergod> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:35] <disquiet> Well, first of all, I just got it up and running so I want it to be the way I like it. I'm very computer picky.
[06:36] <nalioth> disquiet: if you start galeon, the start page will lead you to 'local documentation'
[06:36] <disquiet> First, don't kill me, but I don't like firefox.
[06:36] <raDeon> stfu
[06:36] <danko123456> well, it takes time...
[06:36] <bob2> geetergod: don't use backports
[06:36] <danko123456> I dont like it neither...
[06:36] <raDeon> you are not allowed to dislike firefox
[06:36] <nalioth> disquiet: firefox blows
[06:36] <danko123456> haha
[06:36] <geetergod> dont use backports?
[06:36] <disquiet> I like opera
[06:36] <danko123456> ok, use that...
[06:36] <raDeon> opera is for fat people
[06:36] <geetergod> I was just trying to install Flashplayer for Firefox
[06:36] <Ryan_> ohhh, another thing. a .ISO once fully downloaded is it supposed to have an icon on dows for that format or should it just come up as an unrecognisable program?
[06:36] <J35U5> konquerer
[06:36] <Touru> Opera is awesome.
[06:36] <disquiet> right, I want to use opera, but once I download the file, I can't install it. Because.... I'm not that smart.
[06:36] <geetergod> but the message comes up a lot when i try to install stuff
[06:37] <danko123456> I dont know why, but the guy actually amuses me, I like most the jokes, what abotu you others.??
[06:37] <disquiet> I'm just windows-spoiled
[06:37] <nalioth> disquiet: if you become a linux geek(ette) your system will never be "complete" cuz you'll always be tweakin for better (performance, looks, etc)
[06:37] <bob2> geetergod: did you forget to run 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:37] <danko123456> disquiet: for installing anything...pretty much....
[06:37] <disquiet> I'm used to everything being obvious and done for me
[06:37] <raDeon> i like my jokes
[06:37] <Seq> since when is opera taboo?
[06:37] <danko123456> you need to change the file at the position /etc/apt/sources.list to look like this...
[06:37] <nalioth> Ryan_: prob unrecognizable
[06:37] <geetergod> just type 'sudo apt-get update' in terminal correct?
[06:37] <danko123456> www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[06:37] <nalioth> Ryan_: get you a md5 wanger from www.freewarehome.com
[06:37] <Ryan_> thanks nalioth  ;)
[06:37] <disquiet> nalioth, I don't mind that at all, I'm totally a closet geek. It's just really different than what I'm used to
[06:37] <bob2> geetergod: yes
[06:37] <danko123456> disquiet: read those posts, please^^
[06:38] <nalioth> disquiet: it can be made to look almost exactly like you're used to
[06:38] <disquiet> I am reading danko
[06:38] <Ryan_> right im going to burn this disc. 11th time lucky
[06:38] <danko123456> k, so, change that file, usiong perhaps sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:38] <danko123456> and make it like that.
[06:38] <disquiet> nalioth, I don't need it to be exactly like Windows. I'm just having trouble with the fact that my computer doesn't hold my hand anymore.
[06:38] <nalioth> disquiet: you will be amazed as you learn, how much freedom you have to have a system that is what YOU want
[06:38] <Touru> danko123456: Can't you also do that easily with Synaptic?
[06:38] <IcemanV9> hope it's a 'RW' disc
[06:38] <geetergod> how do i restart Firefox? simply closing out the browser and opening it again?
[06:39] <danko123456> Then you will have all the ubuntu repositories enabled, and you need to do sudo apt-get update
[06:39] <bob2> geetergod: close all the windows, yes
[06:39] <nern> may i ask why you got the dvd? are you not sure that you want to install it and want to try it out as a live cd first?
[06:39] <geetergod> k
[06:39] <danko123456> Touru: dunno, never almost yuse it...
[06:39] <nalioth> disquiet: yes, losing the handholding is different at first, but you'll get past it
[06:39] <danko123456> I know you can, actually, i dunno how, tho.
[06:39] <Seq> disquiet: so.. you switched to linux.. because your friend asked?
[06:39] <disquiet> ok, danko, thanks
[06:39] <Cy|Hyper> Still having wifi problems
[06:39] <disquiet> Seq - he thought I would like it
[06:39] <danko123456> disquiet: that is only a part f it.
[06:39] <Touru> Yeah, I'm sure you can. 's terribly easily.
[06:39] <Dr_Melectaus> im so dam excited :D
[06:39] <danko123456> then, you update as I said tehre.
[06:39] <disquiet> And I assume I eventually will.
[06:39] <Dr_Melectaus> liberation from windows
[06:39] <nalioth> disquiet: may i recommend the galeon web browser?
[06:39] <danko123456> from there on...it is all fun and games.
[06:39] <danko123456> disquiet: did you notice synaptic yet?
[06:40] <Seq> disquiet: i've been planning on guerilla installs next time i do my "hey, come hang out -- and bring adaware" calls
[06:40] <Touru> But Opera isn't in any of the Ubuntu repositories, anyway.
[06:40] <geetergod> Flash still doesnt work on the Doom3 page
[06:40] <disquiet> hang on, I'm getting a bit overwhelmed, let me scroll up and make myself understand some stuff
[06:40] <danko123456> Touru: isnt????????
[06:40] <geetergod> where can i test that it works?
[06:40] <danko123456> serious???
[06:40] <Seq> apparently i've been going about things all wrong
[06:40] <nern> im trying to leave windows completely, but i keep it around for dvd shrink. i havent found an equally convient way to copy dvds.
[06:40] <Touru> danko123456: Nope. I think you have to grab  it from the Opera site.
[06:40] <nalioth> disquiet: you keep up the guerilla mindset
[06:40] <Seq> danko123456: opera isn't Free software
[06:40] <beginner> is any posibility to set a better conection to internet
[06:40] <disquiet> Seq - my friends just badgered me saying "ONE OF US ONE OF US"
[06:40] <Touru> I just installed Ubuntu early this week, so I haven't messed with it that much.
[06:41] <disquiet> until I admitted my nerdery
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> Can you encode local files not on a cd w/ Grip?
[06:41] <beginner> because i have this:Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[06:41] <danko123456> youa re all joking?
[06:41] <bob2> danko123456: how on earth could Opera be in Ubuntu?  It's proprietary, non-dsitributable software.
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> Hey
[06:41] <Dr_Melectaus> can the ubuntu live/dvd be used to partition my hard drive so i can still have a small space for dows?
[06:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: no
[06:41] <Seq> danko123456: what? about opera? no
[06:41] <danko123456> I have no clue of that:)
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> I'm having trouble with wireless internet
[06:41] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[06:41] <danko123456> I never used that program, in fact:)
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> Can anyone help?
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> bob2: any gui's that can do that?
[06:41] <nern> DR: yes
[06:41] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks bob2
[06:41] <P229> bob2, opera distributes linux binaries
[06:41] <geetergod> i installed Flashplayer for Firefox yet it still doesnt work
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers nern
[06:42] <bob2> P229: yes, but no one else is allowed to
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> :O
[06:42] <geetergod> Im trying to just view the flash site on doom3.com
[06:42] <nalioth> Dr_Melectaus: if you want to keep such nastiness around, yes
[06:42] <bob2> thechitowncubs: don't think so
[06:42] <nern> anyone copy dvds in linux?
[06:42] <P229> bob2, doesn't mean they don't /me shrugs
[06:42] <Jormundgand> I'm going to see if I can convert my neighbour - they constantly complain because Windows causes problems for them, so I think I can use that to (my|their) advantage.
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu, i assume your the creator behind the os??
[06:42] <beginner> is any posibility to set a better conection to internet
[06:42] <bob2> P229: right...I was addressing danko123456's surprise that it wasn't in Ubuntu
[06:42] <danko123456> P229: he said that right off the bat...you joined in a little later...
[06:42] <Jormundgand> Dr_Melectaus: The creator of Linux is Linus Torvalds.
[06:42] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, that's some random person who has nothing at all to do with Ubuntu
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> nalioth, no choice im afraid. i do graphics and the like so i need photoshop
[06:42] <disquiet> I finally hit the end of my rope when I had a virus and windows update was hung up on 92% for 3 days and everything kept crashing
[06:42] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:42] <geetergod> Password:
[06:42] <geetergod> Reading package lists... Done
[06:42] <geetergod> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:42] <geetergod> flashplayer-mozilla is already the newest version.
[06:42] <geetergod> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:42] <disquiet> On a nearly new computer
[06:42] <nalioth> well time for a nap
[06:42] <danko123456> I thought always it is a OS program for some reason..
[06:43] <geetergod> does that mean that i have flashplayer installed correctly?
[06:43] <ubuntu> jhlk
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> Jormundgand, i know who created linux. But i was referring to ubuntu
[06:43] <danko123456> yes,.
[06:43] <nalioth> Dr_Melectaus: then buy a mac, older models are cheap and very able to run PS
[06:43] <IcemanV9> geetergod: check and see if it is installed via "about:plugin"
[06:43] <ubuntu> 10-4
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> nalioth, i would have more machines if i wernt a 17 year old student with no job :(
[06:43] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: you were joking too, right???
[06:43] <disquiet> does anyone know of a connection between linux and insomnia? I feel like I haven't slept in days.
[06:43] <geetergod> how do i do that Iceman?
[06:43] <IcemanV9> geetergod: and please don't paste it in this channel next time!
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> jokeing about what danko123456
[06:44] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you'll never see someone with the same nick as projects they work on
[06:44] <geetergod> k sorry
[06:44] <nern> i have the makings for a second desktop... minus a processor
[06:44] <danko123456> him being the creator just of his nick??
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> lol Touru
[06:44] <Seq> geetergod: i usually just go to a site that needs flash, and click the "install plugin" button in firefox..
[06:44] <nalioth> disquiet, i dual booted for about 6 months way back then, and then windoze went permanently away
[06:44] <bob2> the only people who do that sort of thing tend to be new users who don't know better
[06:44] <IcemanV9> geetergod: open firefox ... type 'about:plugin' in the address
[06:44] <nalioth> disquiet: i've been windoze free for about 5 years now
[06:44] <disquiet> I didn't do the dual boot thing, I knew I would give up if I did
[06:44] <Seq> nern: bah, you don't need a processor!
[06:44] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: you didnt really think he was, did you??
[06:44] <nern> lol
[06:45] <disquiet> oh my, I can download porn better now?
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> lol bob. Like when matrix online was released everyone was comeing up with nicks variating for the The 1 (teh_1, th3_1 the_one ...)
[06:45] <disquiet> This just gets better and better.
[06:45] <danko123456> I heard someone else say that b4 that is why I ask...
[06:45] <Seq> nalioth: congrats on the windows free. im stuck on windows for some school and for work :(
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> danko123456, wasnt sure tbh :)
[06:45] <danko123456> sudo porn-get yup...:)
[06:45] <nern> hahaha
[06:45] <disquiet> I have to use Windows at work, and I work for a techy type company
[06:45] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Shall we start the porn-get project?
[06:45] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: that is awesome, I had seen someone ask the same exact thing b4...
[06:45] <geetergod> it does nothing when i enter 'about:plugin' in the addy window
[06:45] <nern> YES
[06:45] <nalioth> seq, i work with windoze all the time for my clients, but my personal machines don't
[06:45] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yeah, and I bet none of them were the wakowlski brothers or Keanu ;)
[06:45] <danko123456> It works, apt-cache search porn-getr
[06:45] <cthulfuego> geetergod: about:plugins - note the 's'
[06:46] <Touru> danko123456: You have to be kiddin.
[06:46] <Touru> g.
[06:46] <geetergod> sheesh, thanks
[06:46] <disquiet> I work with the world's most obnoxious program at work all day.
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> yup bob2 :)
[06:46] <disquiet> Not even linux could make that better
[06:46] <Seq> nalioth: my home desktop has windows installed so i can play a few games. its horribly out of date since i rarely play games anymore
[06:46] <bob2> disquiet: Matlab?
[06:46] <Jormundgand> jormundgand@ketsuban:~$ sudo apt-cache search porn
[06:46] <Jormundgand> pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager
[06:46] <disquiet> bob2: SAP
[06:46] <Jormundgand> :o :o :o
[06:46] <nalioth> mac minis are cheap
[06:46] <bob2> disquiet: ouch
[06:46] <nalioth> goonight all
[06:46] <Touru> Whoa.
[06:46] <geetergod> says Shockwave Flash and FutureSplash Player are enabled
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> I guess ill be going to the library and getting some books out on Bash then
[06:46] <danko123456> Touru: serious, about the someone asking a guy with ubuntu as nick about being the creator of ubuntu,...not serious about porn0-get...
[06:46] <nern> i dont play that many pc games so i just get the ones that can run natively in linux
[06:46] <bob2> it's just an image viewer
[06:46] <nalioth> disquiet: welcome and we're here to help
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> I need to learn how to use linux alot
[06:47] <Seq> nalioth: i do asp.net stuff at work, so im stuck using visual studio and crap. its horrible, horrible. but if they want to throw money at me for it, who am i to say no
[06:47] <disquiet> thanks nalioth
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> i really want to get rid of dows
[06:47] <geetergod> is that what im looking to see?
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> well, want to but cant
[06:47] <Touru> danko123456: I was taking abiout the later, haha. Kinda glad to know it's not true... lol
[06:47] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I hear "linux in a nutshell" is an excellet book
[06:47] <nalioth> seq, yes horrible, but you get paid
[06:47] <disquiet> bob2: you're familiar with SAP?
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> unless photoshop decide to do a release for nix
[06:47] <ajmitch> afternoon
[06:47] <nalioth> night night y'all
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 ill look into it :) cheers man
[06:47] <bob2> disquiet: only through friends who have to use it at work
[06:47] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: np
[06:47] <disquiet> bob2: suicidal friends, I assume.
[06:47] <Touru> Dr_Melectaus: You should just go for it. If you aren't a professional, the GIMP can substitute for PhotoShop perfectly well.
[06:48] <bob2> disquiet: haha
[06:48] <Touru> (If you don't believe me, try Windows GIMP)
[06:48] <bob2> disquiet: I think they prefer the term "on the edge" ;)
[06:48] <disquiet> bob2: that term perfectly describes my life these days. It's my first adult job and I got one week of loose training.
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> see if i boot with the live dvd can i connect to the net relatively easily? like with my modem i can dial in my simply doing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then password
[06:48] <nern> yeah i made the mistake of trying to use breezy already
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers danko123456 ;O
[06:48] <disquiet> I am the only person in my office who understands SAP even a little, and I've been there the shortest.
[06:49] <danko123456> what is that SAP thing...?? I wonder...Ill google if I want to know enough...
[06:49] <ajmitch> nern: that could be unfortunate :)
[06:49] <Jormundgand> nern: Join the "we wanted to use Breezy no matter what some stupid channel topic said" club :)
[06:49] <disquiet> danko: you don't want to know
[06:49] <nern> hahaha
[06:49] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yeah, run "sudo pppconfig" in a terminal to configure it, then "pon" to connect
[06:49] <Touru> What exactly is breezy?
[06:49] <Seq> disquiet: what is this SAP?
[06:49] <disquiet> I work for a tech reseller and I process all of the sales orders, and SAP enters and tracks orders in the least user friendly way possible
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, cheers ;)
[06:49] <ajmitch> Touru: the next release, currently under heavy development
[06:49] <Seq> I had some rough experiences with a package called "Remedy" back in my tech support days.
[06:50] <disquiet> there's 100+ menus... all with the same options.
[06:50] <Touru> Ooooh, I see.
[06:50] <danko123456> Seq: with Convergys/Comcast right?? :)
[06:50] <Touru> Figured it was something sortof like thatl.
[06:50] <disquiet> And it's ugly.
[06:50] <lucho> alguien q hable espaol
[06:50] <Seq> danko123456: roadrunner
[06:50] <danko123456>  #ubuntu-es
[06:50] <IcemanV9> lucho: try #ubuntu-es
[06:50] <lucho> ok
[06:50] <lucho> thanks
[06:50] <danko123456> kk
[06:50] <danko123456> welcomeL:)
[06:51] <disquiet> where did... the whole day go? How long have I been sitting here?
[06:51] <IcemanV9> danko123456: *shrug* u beat me by a few seconds :P
[06:51] <nern> thats what im saying~!
[06:51] <Seq> danko123456: did you do comcast support?
[06:51] <nern> ive been sitting here at my computer since i got off work
[06:51] <danko123456> I do it now:)
[06:52] <nern> early this afternoon
[06:52] <Seq> danko123456: fun stuff.
[06:52] <Seq> danko123456: mind if i send you a PM?
[06:52] <danko123456> dont talk about it here more, tho, they are sensitive about proprietary, and I am paranoid:)
[06:52] <danko123456> no,. go right ahead.
[06:52] <disquiet> I have tomorrow off, I'm worried that knowing that, I'll just sit here all night until I figure this all out
[06:52] <Jormundgand> So what about that <proprietary software>, eh?
[06:53] <Seq> Jormundgand: go ahead. the first one's "free" ;)
[06:53] <Jormundgand> I thought that the <feature> they added in version <newest> was good, but they could have done without <kludge>.
[06:53] <Jormundgand> And when are they going to remove <tired legacy module>?
[06:53] <disquiet> haha y'all are funny
[06:54] <Jormundgand> For that matter, does anyone actually USE <function>, or is it just there for decoration?
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> DVD is 94% burnt
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> whe hey
[06:54] <nern> WUH OH
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> cant wait to have a bash on ubuntu
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> can you download new themes off the net?
[06:54] <Seq> Jormundgand: i thought <feature> would be useful if it didn't break <everything>
[06:54] <nern> Dr_Melectaus: get ready to have yer mind blown
[06:54] <quailster> a bash? I prefer a zsh ;)
[06:54] <Jormundgand> Seq: Indeed, <workaround> is a pain to get working, but it saves so much time in the end.
[06:54] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: bash themes? yeah.
[06:55] <disquiet> ok, i have another real question
[06:55] <nern> shoot
[06:55] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers bob2, any reccomendations on good sites to get themes from?
[06:55] <disquiet> A friend told me I need to get valknut, said do sudo apt-get valknut
[06:55] <lucho> alguien me ayuda
[06:55] <disquiet> which... seeems logical...
[06:55] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: hm, I don't know
[06:55] <geetergod> can someone walk me through how to download and install a plugin for flashplayer?
[06:55] <bob2> I use zsh.
[06:56] <nern> disquiet apt-get INSTALL
[06:56] <disquiet> no joke?
[06:56] <geetergod> im at a site where it should play a video but says i need to download plugin
[06:56] <nern> geetergod open up synaptic and search for flash
[06:56] <disquiet> Reading package lists... Done
[06:56] <disquiet> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:56] <disquiet> E: Couldn't find package valknut
[06:57] <disquiet> what in the world does that mean?
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> kk, im going to reboot and see if i can get this to work. If its Doc proof you guys have made a truely idiot freindly OS
[06:57] <thr1ce> someone needs to make a human fluxbox theme
[06:57] <Seq> Dr_Melectaus: art.gnome.org , gnomelook.org
[06:57] <nern> disquiet: what is that package supposed to be for again?
[06:57] <geetergod> says i need to run it as a rootuser
[06:57] <bob2> disquiet: exactly what it says, the package valknut could not be found
[06:57] <disquiet> it's DC++... direct connect
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks seq
[06:57] <disquiet> bob2, please, let's assume I'm an idiot here
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> tah rah
[06:57] <geetergod> where do i go to run it as the root user?
[06:57] <danko123456> geetergod: please tell me the site.
[06:57] <ajmitch> disquiet: valknut appears to be in universe, so you need to have that repository enabled
[06:58] <disquiet> I'm going to throw up.
[06:58] <nern> geetergod: open a terminal and type sudo synaptic
[06:58] <geetergod> http://www.planetvids.com/html/Top-Speed-Challenge.html
[06:58] <geetergod> thats the site
[06:58] <danko123456> thanks.
[06:58] <Marble2> how can I get JRE running with firefox?
[06:58] <danko123456> geetergod: flash wont work for that.
[06:58] <Marble2> when I go to this one page, it says I need to install JRE, but it's already installed (apt-get)
[06:58] <bob2> disquiet: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto explains how to enable the universe repository
[06:58] <geetergod> oh
[06:58] <danko123456> geetergod: you may try mplayer-firefox I think that is the package.
[06:58] <disquiet> Thank you, bob2
[06:59] <danko123456> bob2: I think he has all the repos...
[06:59] <disquiet> brb, I'm going to go take off all my make up and get into serious nerd gear, maybe it will help.
[06:59] <danko123456> disquiet: did you make your sources.list as I linked you??
[06:59] <danko123456> Marble2: please link me to the site.
[06:59] <disquiet> it scrolled away from me, danko :-/
[06:59] <Jormundgand> I am surprised that I don't find it weird to be wearing a duvet.
[06:59] <geetergod> i found flashplayer-mozilla in synaptic
[06:59] <bob2> disquiet: (repository = a big group of packages you can tell apt-get about)
[07:00] <Marble2> danko123456: pokerroom.com
[07:00] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <Marble2> you have to have an account
[07:00] <danko123456>  www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[07:00] <geetergod> yet flashplayer still wont work, hm
[07:00] <Marble2> but it just says additional plugins required
[07:00] <danko123456> disclaimer: that etlls you nothing about what you are doing, so reading bobs link may be a good reading.
[07:01] <danko123456> geetergod: that site does not want flash, as I had mentioned.
[07:01] <disquiet> I can't keep up with you, danko
[07:01] <disquiet> I opened that dealie
[07:01] <geetergod> yes i know, but when i go to doom3.com and try to enter flashsite it wont pull up the whole page
[07:01] <nern> danko: does he need to uncomment the marillat repo?
[07:01] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:01] <disquiet> I did that
[07:02] <danko123456> www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list paste that page over it.
[07:02] <danko123456> nern: who?
[07:02] <danko123456> geetergod: http://www.planetvids.com/html/Top-Speed-Challenge.html does not want flash...
[07:02] <danko123456> link me to the other site.
[07:02] <nern> danko: the guy yer helping, i just noticed that the marillat repo is commented in that sources.list
[07:02] <danko123456> Marble2: my java does work, I am not sure how to see if taht is what the site wants...
[07:02] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why does my scrollbutton die randomly in Firefox?
[07:02] <geetergod> yes i know, what can i do to view the vids though?
[07:02] <danko123456> nern: that will be fine.
[07:03] <nern> danko: k
[07:03] <danko123456> just a sec.
[07:03] <Burgundavia> Jormundgand, I have seen that as well. I have no idea, and have not filed a bug becuase I have no idea what is causing it
[07:03] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre for Marble2...or, a slightly harder, but more teaching way is www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/java
[07:04] <danko123456> geetergod: 1\this is the plugin it wants, altho I dont know if it works in the end, supposedly it does: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[07:05] <danko123456> disquiet: save as my file?
[07:05] <danko123456> save and close...
[07:05] <geetergod> k kool
[07:05] <disquiet> danko, I am sorry
[07:05] <disquiet> I am much too dense for you to help me
[07:05] <danko123456> sorry dont cut it.
[07:05] <danko123456> nope you are now.
[07:05] <danko123456> not
[07:05] <danko123456> I work tech syupport for an ISP...
[07:05] <danko123456> ok, does sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list open a file?
[07:05] <disquiet> yes
[07:06] <nern> hes giving you a pretty good step by step
[07:06] <danko123456> great, please click on this: www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list and copy and paste that over that file
[07:06] <disquiet> I know he is, which is why I feel quite retarded. I do appreciate it danko :-)
[07:06] <danko123456> copy and paste what is in www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list over the file taht opens with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ,
[07:06] <disquiet> over eveyrthing?
[07:06] <danko123456> then, I am sorry if I make you feel retarded:) not my intention...
[07:07] <nern> yes over everything
[07:07] <danko123456> then after you have what is in that page as your file...please save it and close gedit.
[07:08] <disquiet> Ok, that's not so hard
[07:08] <danko123456> after that...
[07:08] <danko123456> when teh file is saved and closed.
[07:08] <danko123456> you need to reload yoru sources.
[07:08] <geetergod> danko: can i tell you what its saying in a private window?
[07:09] <danko123456> please everyone, dont ask me if you can pm me anymoer, you are welcome to...
[07:09] <paringas> sorry, guys, do you know if it possible to make konqueror function in Midnight Commander" mode (split screen)? maybe in a form of extension? thanks
[07:09] <danko123456> that file, btw is what the debian/ubuntu installer program uses as the sources from where it downloads...
[07:09] <crimmy> paringas: yep, just change the View
[07:09] <disquiet> reload sources?
[07:09] <deFrysk> paringas, yes
[07:10] <danko123456> yes, you do that by using the program for downlaods.
[07:10] <danko123456> apt-get update
[07:10] <danko123456> but you need to use sudo in front.
[07:10] <danko123456> so sudo apt-get update
[07:10] <deFrysk> paringas, if you like 2pane in kde get krusader
[07:10] <danko123456> do that now, please.
[07:11] <disquiet> no sweat (I'm totally going to bake you cupcakes)
[07:12] <danko123456> I have been offered bajkings b4 on this channel:)
[07:12] <disquiet> Well, fine.  I, personally, always wanted a big wheel.
[07:13] <danko123456> no, Im fine with bakings, I jsut noted that I have had someone say something like that b4, I think it is cute in some sense...
[07:14] <disquiet> Well, damn, danko, I am cute. Ok, my source thing is done.
[07:14] <Seq> i think a giant hamster ball would be cool.
[07:14] <danko123456> are you the girl now, disquiet?
[07:14] <danko123456> or still her friend?
[07:14] <disquiet> Seq - I have a great big one, for my guinea pig
[07:14] <disquiet> danko - am I THE girl? i'm A girl...
[07:14] <danko123456> you are:)
[07:14] <danko123456> sweet:0
[07:14] <Seq> disquiet: its not quite human-sized though, is it?
[07:14] <nern> oh god
[07:14] <nern> ha
[07:14] <disquiet> Seq - well, for a very small human, maybe.
[07:14] <danko123456> anyhow:)... updated?
[07:14] <Madpilot> I've often thought that kid-sized hamster balls would be a great idea...
[07:14] <paringas> defrysk: crimmy: thanks guys. the reason i was asking was that i want to make konqueror do all of that opera can plus the file manager :)
[07:15] <disquiet> Yes, danko
[07:15] <danko123456> ok, well, what are you trying to install?
[07:15] <tyrean> excuse me, does anybody know if its possible to use scim to directly input into firefox?
[07:15] <bob2> Madpilot: stick a generator on them and convert youthful exuberance to electricity!
[07:15] <disquiet> valknut, opera - two things that I need to have first. Other things later.
[07:16] <Seq> actually, harnessing static electricity from enfants as they crawl over carpet would be pretty cool
[07:16] <danko123456> you guys are all nuts.
[07:16] <holycow> can anyone explain to me why linux doesn't write to a floppy automatically when you paste something into it, instead it writes on umount?
[07:16] <Jormundgand> Burgundavia: Bug report has already been made - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962
[07:16] <disquiet> Seq - my guinea pig has a harness, too. And he's trained to ring a bell when he needs something.
[07:16] <Madpilot> bob2: I've got a pair of younger cousins who'd be able to power half a town... :)
[07:16] <hyphenated> holycow: it writes on sync. it syncs on unmount, but you can force a sync manually
[07:16] <Seq> holycow: write buffering. it actually writes on sync, and does a sync on umount
[07:16] <danko123456> disquiet: sorry, there is no such program in the repos...I think you need to switch to linux apps now...
[07:16] <danko123456> a dc++ client?
[07:17] <disquiet> Yes, danko
[07:17] <bob2> holycow: of you mount it with the "sync" option, it will write synchronously, ie as you write
[07:17] <holycow> ah, so it would be possible then to get nautilus to sync after mouse up on a drag/drop or paste event?
[07:17] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install dcgui
[07:17] <holycow> bob2, oh!
[07:17] <nern> direct connect or gtk gnutella
[07:17] <holycow> thanks for the info, i had no clue about that
[07:18] <bob2> holycow: assuming it works on vfat, but I'm pretty sure it does in modern kernels
[07:18] <danko123456> why: http://pastebin.ca/12938 ??
[07:18] <hyphenated> I didn't know about the sync option :-)
[07:18] <hardcampa-> Unfortunally dcgui-qt is probably the best (non banned) dc++ client for linux. But oh my gawd how the GUI sux
[07:18] <Seq> actually, any mac hardware guys here? what interface does a mac floppy drive use?
[07:18] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella if you want a kazaa type thing.
[07:18] <bob2> hyphenated: it's new (for FAT, at least).
[07:18] <bob2> Seq: what generation of mac?
[07:18] <danko123456> bob2: any ideas http://pastebin.ca/12938 ?
[07:19] <danko123456> sorry about the double post...
[07:19] <disquiet> Danko, I love you
[07:19] <danko123456> bah
[07:19] <danko123456> k, thanks.
[07:19] <danko123456> disquiet: use your synaptic, tho...
[07:19] <nern> always
[07:19] <nern> yeah
[07:19] <danko123456> disquiet: System>Admin>Synaptic
[07:19] <disquiet> danko, to me, what you just said sounds like me saying this to you
[07:19] <Seq> bob2: any going back as far as i can remember. I'm curious if an mac diskette drive could be used in a standard x86 pc
[07:19] <disquiet> danko: use your uterus, tho....
[07:20] <bob2> danko123456: I'd guess corrupted .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:20] <holycow> bob2, can usb sticks be mounted with sync option as well?
[07:20] <danko123456> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb?
[07:20] <Seq> bob2: my curiosity is due to the swanky eject feature, which is what makes them cool to begin with
[07:20] <bob2> holycow: yes, but that will hammer the hell out of them
[07:20] <danko123456> thank you, btw.
[07:20] <holycow> bob2, oh okay makes sense, flash *nod*
[07:20] <holycow> thanks
[07:20] <bob2> holycow: someone posted on lkml a week ago saying their stick lasted like a week with sync on
[07:20] <danko123456> disquiet: I see, you want to use your uterus...hm...
[07:20] <danko123456> :)
[07:20] <danko123456> ok, disregard that,...
[07:20] <disquiet> haha
[07:21] <bob2> danko123456: or gstreamer*deb
[07:21] <holycow> bob2, no kidding?
[07:21] <nern> disquiet prolly just needs to read some kind of little guide as to how the debian package management system works
[07:21] <holycow> ha!
[07:21] <disquiet> No, thank you. I'm young yet. The uterus is unncessary for a good 3 -5 more years
[07:21] <nern> then she would understand
[07:21] <dr_willis> Seq,  i dont think it will work. The mac and amiga  if i recall used a diffrent kind of floppy drive. I forget the details.. it was somthing to do with how the speeds of the drive were .. I think
[07:21] <dr_willis> the pc used one kind. mac/amiga used another - this was AGES ago howeer.
[07:21] <disquiet> nern - i need to read anything that will speak to me in english
[07:21] <danko123456> You ahve a System menu on the top on your screen then in it there is an Admin submenu, and in it Synaptic, go there...
[07:21] <bob2> Seq: hm, old ones I don't know
[07:21] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there any gaim updates available? Ubuntu ships with 1.14 and 1.30 is the latest with several security fixes...
[07:21] <thechitowncubs> Davey: backports
[07:21] <dr_willis> but then again, I recall  that mac drives could read pc floppies...
[07:21] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: that's now how ubnutu works
[07:22] <dr_willis> but that was the later ones.
[07:22] <danko123456> bob2: that is half assed:) what then, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer*deb
[07:22] <Seq> dr_willis: well I figured they wouldn't work on regular pc floppy connectors, but i wasn't sure if they were "ide" devices like cdroms and the like (i seem to recall most floppy-like drives being ide)
[07:22] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: When an ubuntu release is made, it stays the same until the next one comes out.  if security fixes are needed, the fix (and just the fix) is applied to the version in ubuntu.
[07:22] <nern> Davey|Ubuntu: there are some backports repos that i use that have gaim 1.3.0 and firefox 1.0.4
[07:22] <danko123456> disquiet: that is your synaptic, you can use that to install anything, please open it now.
[07:22] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: ie 1.14 in ubuntu has all the security fixes from 1.3.0
[07:22] <disquiet> got it open, danko
[07:22] <bob2> danko123456: yeah
[07:22] <dr_willis> Seq,  they are not ide. but i do think they were normal floppy conectors.
[07:23] <disquiet> I'm totally falling in e-love with danko
[07:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> bob2: bleh :/
[07:23] <dr_willis> Seq,  that LS120 floppy drive was  an IDE floppy
[07:23] <nern> UH OH shes falling for you
[07:23] <nern> NOOOOO
[07:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> nern: oh?
[07:23] <thr1ce> kopete on gnome?
[07:23] <thr1ce> lol
[07:23] <Seq> dr_willis: yeah, i was thinking of that, as well as the zip, and such
[07:23] <danko123456> great, ok, well, if you hit on the search button, and select to search for name&description, you can type in anything that makes sense, like organizer, and it will find an organizeer program for you...and so on..
[07:23] <nern> yeah that would be crappy AND kopete is just so fugly
[07:23] <holycow> well i'll be damned, adding sync to your floppy line in fstab actually does mount it with sync
[07:23] <Seq> and the 32MB one (on regular diskettes)
[07:23] <disquiet> excellent! Thanks, danko, for serious.
[07:23] <thechitowncubs> kopete is not my cup of tea
[07:24] <bob2> holycow: it writes things immediately?
[07:24] <Seq> dr_willis: hmm. its mostly just idle curiosity, since i don't actually own a single floppy drive, nor do i want one :p
[07:24] <holycow> nifty, thanks again guys!
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, yupper!
[07:24] <nern> yeah i threw up in my mouth when i saw it for the first time
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:24] <Seq> dr_willis: but it would solve a lot of "bah! ejected without umounting" issues if i ever needed one
[07:24] <danko123456> I doubt you are really a girl, tho...:) usuallly ppl pull legs like that...
[07:24] <bob2> holycow: woo, guess it's been implemented then ;)
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> i might have had the taste
[07:24] <danko123456> sned me a pic...
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, didn't even haveto umount it, files are all there
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, *whew* :)
[07:24] <nern> lets not get too excited dando
[07:24] <nern> *danko
[07:24] <nern> haha
[07:24] <danko123456> bob2: shoudl i just go with the *.deb, cause...it seems to happen with other packages as well...
[07:25] <danko123456> nern: ......read the post b4 that:)
[07:25] <bob2> holycow: the kernel will get very unhappy if you do that while it's writing
[07:25] <Jormundgand> I like Kopete's theme-ability, but it's significantly buggier than Gaim.
[07:25] <bob2> holycow: it really is better to umount it whenever possible
[07:25] <nern> i did~!
[07:25] <nern> haha
[07:25] <holycow> bob2, heh really? that sounds like an interesting question
[07:25] <nern> just clownin doh
[07:25] <bob2> danko123456: ok
[07:25] <holycow> bob2, *nod* i'm thinking this will become a common user issue
[07:25] <nern> sorry
[07:25] <nern> haha
[07:25] <disquiet> danko
[07:25] <disquiet> I will send you a picture
[07:25] <Seq> danko123456: yeah, i've learned a lesson today. if i ever want help in a busy irc channel, just identify oneself as a girl
[07:25] <thechitowncubs> nern: im confused
[07:26] <disquiet> I'm used to defending my female hood.
[07:26] <silverton> is gkrellm available on ubuntu ?
[07:26] <Jormundgand> If I could customise Gaim's message output I'd be happy.
[07:26] <nern> thechitotowncubs: how so?
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> at this conversation
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> nvm
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> i guess i was thinking out loud
[07:26] <danko123456> disquiet: which just gives me more reason to think you are joking, I could send you someone elses pic...:)
[07:26] <danko123456> disquiet: but, I believe you, lets say:)
[07:26] <Seq> Jormundgand: what can you theme in kopete? Isn't it just a qt chat client?
[07:26] <bob2> come on folks, no one needs to "prove" their gender
[07:27] <bob2> holycow: well, floppy drives are going out of vogue pretty quickly
[07:27] <bob2> holycow: at least IMe
[07:27] <danko123456> bob2: I agree, I apologize, disquiet, its all good:)
[07:27] <thr1ce> kopete is kde
[07:27] <nern> what happened to honesty
[07:27] <thr1ce> it wouldn't be worth it
[07:27] <Jormundgand> Seq: I mean like setting its output so conversations look like they do in iChat which is neat.
[07:27] <thr1ce> you can't do AIM file transfers, either
[07:27] <nern> haha
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> oh
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> like Miranda>
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ?
[07:27] <disquiet> Haha, danko, ok
[07:27] <thr1ce> pretty much
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ya, aim transfers are hell
[07:27] <danko123456> :(
[07:27] <danko123456> anyhow...
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> does kopete do aim transfers>
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ?
[07:28] <disquiet> I do have more than one, though. Differnet angles over several years. So had I sent them, I would have been able to back it up.
[07:28] <nern> gaim does aim transfers for me
[07:28] <thr1ce> kopete won't
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> I think you have to configure your firewall
[07:28] <thr1ce> kopete will do MSN (though poorly)
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> What audio player do you guys use?
[07:28] <Seq> thr1ce: yeah, gaim does msn pretty poorly too
[07:28] <nern> i just use totem for everything
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> I'm struggling to find a GTK2 app that can handle my 7,000 song library
[07:29] <silverton> Hello, is gkrellm available on ubuntu ?
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: rhythmbox and muine, depending which icon i find first
[07:29] <thr1ce> xmms?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> besides xmms and bmp, i need a library
[07:29] <hardcampa-> thechitowncubs: bmp and xmms... they're the most comfortable one
[07:29] <Touru> Rythmbox.
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:29] <hardcampa-> heh
[07:29] <deFrysk> Seq, beep-media-player
[07:29] <nern> ive heard good things about muine
[07:29] <hardcampa-> Anything that looks like itunes I stay away from
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i've only got 1409 songs though
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> I want to use rhythmbox real bad, cause it fits so nicely, but it just won't flippin add my songs.
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: but it took forever to rip all that
[07:30] <nern> rip my asshole
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> Another question, what app is capable of WMA-MP3 conversion?
[07:30] <Touru> Oooh, good question. I need to know that, too. =D
[07:30] <bob2> thechitowncubs: I wouldn't bother
[07:30] <bob2> but mencoder could
[07:30] <Touru> What do you mean it won't add your songs?
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> I mean it won't add my songs.
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> You know when you hit add folder, it won't do that.
[07:30] <danko123456> bob2: still same error...
[07:30] <nern> i think what he means is what does it do when you try
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> I can't get any more specific.
[07:31] <Touru> Do you get an error or something?
[07:31] <nern> or does it just not do anything
[07:31] <thechitowncubs> Nope, it sits on Loading Songs...... ..... ...
[07:31] <Touru> nern: Since we've covered the gender topic tonight already, it's she. =P Assuming is no fun.
[07:31] <bob2> nern: I have ~5000 tracks ripped from my own cds
[07:31] <Touru> thechitowncubs: I have a big music collection too, you just have to wait for it.
[07:31] <danko123456> bob2: if you know which error I am talking about:)
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> It seems to be adding em, then after about 4 yrs a message will come up saying that a song didn't add... then it crashes... or it just keeps saying loading songs...
[07:32] <nern> Touru: haha okay :)
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> It does something different pretty much everytime.
[07:32] <Touru> Mine usually errors on one or two songs, I pretty much ignore that. Never have had it crash, though.
[07:32] <bob2> danko123456: I'd guess a broken hook or something then
[07:32] <bob2> danko123456: or silly pinning
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> I'm using amaroK, its pretty amazing, but it doesn't fit
[07:32] <Touru> It usually takes quite a while... lemme time it.
[07:32] <Seq> thechitowncubs: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=452
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> Seq: i was checking that out
[07:33] <nern> i just try to stay away from qt apps when possible
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> it looks like a Rhythmbox clone
[07:33] <bob2> danko123456: what does dpkg do when you install them by hand?
[07:33] <Seq> thechitowncubs: yeah, pretty much :p
[07:33] <danko123456> like how? its not on my comp:) as usual...
[07:33] <Seq> thechitowncubs: sonace looks good too, though
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> Ya...
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> you are thinking exactly what i am
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> sonance is coming out w/ a new version soon... i'll wait
[07:34] <Seq> nern: yeah, i ripped them all. i own lots of cds
[07:34] <Seq> nern: which is why i had to buy an iriver.. no way i was re-ripping or transcoding them :p
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> K, im attempting to add my files into rhythmbox
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> starting now
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> lets time it
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> 12:35AM CDT