[04:24] <Ben64> i wish people would stop using hack as derogatory
[04:24] <stoupe> thank you SO much
[04:24] <veinor> but it usually gets really bad signal
[04:24] <Ben64> the whole internet was founded on hacks
[04:24] <mase_work> Ben64: why ?
[04:24] <a94060> veinor: i had this problem before, what version ubuntu? eebuntu is what im running here.
[04:25] <cmp> bazhang, i did the first one and the second one i cant understand from it any thing - i would prefer if you really want to help me , then tell me step by step - this will be much more better for me
[04:25] <veinor> a94060: 9.04
[04:25] <losher> mase_work: well, it would be lovely if all the vendors supported linux. but for those that don't, I thought ndiswrapper was a brilliant solution. It has worked for me in the past when nothing else did...
[04:25] <a94060> veinor: vanilla version?
[04:25] <veinor> Yep
[04:25] <slap> I'm trying to mount a NFS sharing. The following command (mount -t nfs gandalf.tolkien.lan:/sharing /sharing) says that mount.nfs can't resolve the address. I don't understand why, 'cause I configured /etc/exports by adding a line (/sharing *.tolkien.lan(blablabla)). My DNS server is up and configured correctly. Any suggestions ?
[04:25] <mase_work> Ben64: a 'hack' is different to a 'hacker' and the internet was architected pretty well it was not hacked. Some of the software was implemented that way, however it is not so much the case any mroe
[04:25] <a94060> what id reccomend is get a eee focused one.
[04:25] <veinor> yeah, I've tried that, but none of them worked out of the bo with the 1008ha
[04:26] <a94060> eeebuntu has been working wonderfully for me,all th shorcut keys work and all the fn keys work too
[04:26] <darksifer> hi everyone. am having this problem from yesterday: i cannot mount a partition. i did e2fsck - y -v /dev/sdb5 and stil cannot mount. i get a message saying that mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/sdb5, missing codepage or helper program. Partition is formatted in ext4. please can someone help me
[04:26] <veinor> did you have the slow wireless problem?
[04:26] <a94060> also there are repos set up alreay
[04:26] <lordnikon> hey i know this is a linux chat but i have a windows question....
[04:26] <losher> slap: gandalf.tolkien.lan needs to be resolved by DNS. Can you ping gandalf.tolkien.lan ?
[04:26] <mase_work> losher: it is a solution, but i wouldn't go so far as to say briliiant. The vendors really need to support Linux, and imo its better to have something non supported than supported as a work around
[04:26] <IdleOne> stoupe: if you want to use that repository edit the two lines to end with intrepid but it is not recommended.
[04:26] <a94060> veinor: yes i did at the beginning, however i just decided one day to reinstall the whole system and it seems to work by not using the newest kernel
[04:26] <mnaines> a94060: I looked at his iwconfig wlan0 and its showing a bit rate of 2MB/sec and a signal quality of 2/70
[04:26] <IdleOne> err he left
[04:26] <mase_work> that way people don't buy that hardware
[04:27] <veinor> define 'newest'?
[04:27] <lordnikon> is there a way to get a linksys wifi password off the computer the router was installed on if ther router is not currently connected
[04:27] <mase_work> and when the software doesn't work, people don't say.. bah this is junk. They know that the vendor is at fault
[04:27] <a94060> alrighty mnaines i had the same problem,except id get 1mb/s
[04:27] <veinor> WHich one are/did you use?
[04:27] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Fixes veinor
[04:28] <a94060> veinor: I think its also partially with the kernel, i am running kernel 2.6.28-12-netbook
[04:28] <veinor> To fi the problem.
[04:28] <fireball> anyone please tell me how to get my to LAN pc's talking to each other properly?
[04:28] <mnaines> bazhang, you understand why we're helping people with these problems even though it does not fall within the room topic?
[04:28] <fireball> i can ssh from one to the other
[04:28] <veinor> I'll try using old kernels then
[04:28] <losher> mase_work: well, that's the problem isn't it? The vendors apparently don't *need* to support linux, and the proof is that some don't, yet they're still in business....
[04:28] <a94060> which are u running veinor?
[04:28] <bazhang> cmp, what specific things have you tried, what errors have you gotten, what terms do you not understand
[04:28] <fireball> but remote pc issues, server related. . .
[04:28] <Ben64> mase_work: the internet was not architected well...
[04:29] <a94060> what module is ur kernel using for wireless?
[04:29] <veinor> 2.6.30.something using ath9k
[04:29] <bazhang> mnaines, support of ubuntu on netbooks is on topic here
[04:29] <veinor> bazhang: I've tried ndiswrapper but I can't get it to work
[04:29] <a94060> alright veinor
[04:29] <tlf> I'
[04:29] <Ben64> if memory serves me correctly, they got 2 bytes over the network, then it crashed
[04:29] <a94060> ndiswrapper there is no point,its an atheros chipset
[04:29] <veinor> I'll try booting back into an old kernel, see if that helps
[04:29] <cmp> bazhang, simply i want you to give me step by step to follow it  , what to do to fix my visual effect
[04:29] <bazhang> veinor, did you check that link? there are some other suggestions as well that don't involve ndiswrapper
[04:30] <veinor> bazhang: ah, true, I'll try madwifi
[04:30] <tlf> I've been informed I need to be freed of the broadcrap captors and find a free open source driver
[04:30] <a94060> let me pull up my delicious and ill point u at a few important links cause they are eee specific
[04:30] <veinor> Note: On my EeePc 900 and Intrepid, the signal was bad and I experienced intermittent failures when using this method. Ndiswrapper seems to work ok so far - VilleV
[04:30] <slap> losher no, I can't ping the server. I don't know why, because dig tolkien.lan and dig gandalf.tolkien.lan respond ?
[04:30] <losher> a94060: your 'delicious'?
[04:30] <a94060> may i pm u veinor
[04:30] <a94060> i meant the bookmarking site haha
[04:30] <veinor> sure
[04:31] <bazhang> veinor, for all eeepc related stuff I usually visit the eeeuser.com forums ; they have a ton of stuff on getting ubuntu working flawlessly on all manner of eeepcs
[04:31] <mnaines> bazhang: Its not the topic that I'm talking about, though.  I believe that in a room as large as this one is, there is usually more than one person with the same problem, so I feel it saves time and energy to have all of them read up on a solution that is being given to one person, a "teaching the classroom" sort of thing instead of trying to give 1-on-1 instructions
[04:31] <losher> slap: well, if you can't ping, nfs isn't gonna work. Is there a firewall of some kind in operation?
[04:31] <bazhang> cmp, need much more info than that, what have you tried, more details etc
[04:32] <tlf> Any advice for a open source instead of broadcom for jaunty?
[04:32] <lordnikon> can someone help me get the wifi working on a laptop that just got a fresh jaunty install
[04:32] <slap> Is there a firewall by default on ubuntu 8.04 lts ?
[04:32] <bazhang> cmp, 'visual effects don't work ' is not enough info
[04:32] <mnaines> lordnikon, what wireless driver?
[04:32] <lordnikon> dont know it is an old hp box
[04:32] <lordnikon> but there is a wired connection
[04:33] <Nautilus__> does ubuntu have an HD diag programs? SMART tests and/or media tests?
[04:33] <mnaines> lordnikon: pastebin the output of lspci
[04:33] <tlf> Any advice for a open source instead of broadcom for jaunty?
[04:33] <tlf> open source driver*
[04:33] <HobbleAlong> slap:  Not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but this worked for me http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/linux/using-nfsv4.html
[04:33] <lordnikon> what is the cmd line
[04:34] <losher> slap: no default firewall on my 8.04 LTS. Do you want to post the output of your ping attempt to http://paste.ubuntu.com so I can see it?
[04:34] <genii> !info smartmontools | Nautilus__
[04:34] <cmp> bazhang,  ok - i just installed my ubuntu after i got fade up to fix it - also iam very new in Linux system and i want to keep using this kind of software coz i know its more secured . so yasterday it was working with me very good -but when i try to update - my system is getting freezed after rebooting on the black screen . so i re installed my system again and now my visual effect it not working
[04:34] <chipz> Hey everyone
[04:34] <slap> losher correction. I can ping it with the adress. Not with the FQDN. It look like a Bind problem...
[04:34] <losher> Nautilus__: see also http://ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/10/gsmartcontrol-hard-disk-drive-health-inspection-tool.html
[04:35] <mnaines> !pastebin | lordnikon
[04:35] <losher> slap: agreed. You have a DNS lookup problem....
[04:35] <bazhang> cmp, what version of ubuntu, what video card, how did you install the driver, what make and model of the computer
[04:35] <thiebaude> !cli
[04:35] <lordnikon> im on two different boxes
[04:35] <tlf> Any have suggestions for a different driver for my wifi apart from broadcom?
[04:36] <mnaines> tlf, I would suggest Linksys, but make sure it has Ralink drivers
[04:36] <cmp> bazhang, 9.04 - i didnt install any driver , it worked good with me by it self , and my computer is DELL inspiron 1525
[04:36] <tlf> What do you mean mnaines ?
[04:36] <mnaines> tlf is this for a laptop or a desktop?
[04:36] <bazhang> cmp lsb_release -a for the version number, lspci for the card
[04:36] <tlf> laptop
[04:36] <Nautilus__> losher: nice.
[04:36] <Ben64> mnaines: you know of a good card for packet injection? :)
[04:37] <tlf> hardwired nic card
[04:37] <Nautilus__> genii: installing that... lol it requires postfix
[04:37] <mnaines> Ben64: let me see if I can find you a good list
[04:37] <tlf> laptop mnaines
[04:37] <Ben64> i've been using an old wireless-b linksys, but it's range/speed is terrible
[04:38] <cmp> 	Ubuntu 9.04
[04:38] <cmp> Release:	9.04
[04:38] <cmp> Codename:	jaunty
[04:38] <cmp>
[04:38] <FloodBot2> cmp: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:38] <mnaines> tlf Ben64 here is a list of wireless cards I would recommend for Linux: http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php/HCL:Wireless
[04:38] <Ben64> cool, thx
[04:38] <bazhang> cmp, you really need to go through that intel link; report here when you get errors and what exactly you have tried.
[04:38] <genii> Nautilus__: It uses an email transport agent to send alerts...if one is not installed, postfix is chosen by default
[04:38] <tlf> I'm looking for drivers, not a card. My card is hardwired and I'm attempting to use aircrack. Apparently broadcom's driver is preventing me from doing anything succesful
[04:38] <cmp> bazhang , use it where
[04:38] <Nautilus__> genii: ahyea, that was my guess
[04:38] <cmp> i dont know what and where to do any thing
[04:39] <JoeSomebody> hello, a windows man here, read nothing and just tried linux (ubuntu desktop 9) for the first time, easiest install i ever seen ! :) unreal fast bootup, now how do i check/install the drivers?
[04:39] <cmp> i need some one to tell me for EX:
[04:39] <cmp> open this
[04:39] <cmp> paste this
[04:39] <cmp> do that
[04:39] <FloodBot2> cmp: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:39] <mnaines> tlf, that site will tell you what drivers to use for the broadcom to get it to work...Just find your card on the list and click the green lettering
[04:40] <Ben64> JoeSomebody: most, if not all necessary drivers should already be functioning properly
[04:40] <Ben64> JoeSomebody: the only one that usually requires input is video
[04:40] <cmp> floosbot2, what are you trying to tell me here
[04:40] <cmp> i didnt understand what you wanted to say
[04:40] <JoeSomebody> ok, what about ip? set it up like windows?
[04:41] <mnaines> JoeSomebody: Not that easy
[04:41] <Ben64> cmp: the bot was saying not to spam the channel
[04:41] <cmp> and wha is spam channel
[04:42] <cmp> can you guys please use easier explaination
[04:42] <cmp> dont think about me as iam well expert here
[04:42] <JoeSomebody> it seems i already have internet
[04:42] <Ben64> spamming
[04:42] <Ben64> is
[04:42] <Ben64> if
[04:42] <Ben64> you
[04:42] <genii> cmp: When you type a bunch of lines in here within a short time the floodbot tells you to use the pastebin website to tell us something that takes many lines so you do not flood the channel.
[04:42] <mnaines> JoeSomebody: Right-click on the network connection indicator in the upper right, click Edit Connections, find your connection, then click Edit, then click "IPv4 Settings"
[04:42] <Ben64> do this
[04:42] <FloodBot2> Ben64: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:42] <JoeSomebody> ok
[04:42] <mikey> can someone help me get this wifi working on this hp laptop with a fresh install of jaunty
[04:43] <cmp> can some body explain to me the same way as Genii did ...
[04:43] <cmp> like this i understand very well
[04:43] <Nautilus__> losher: that is the whip!!
[04:43] <a94060> mikey: what specifially do u need help with?
[04:43] <cmp> thanks Genii
[04:43] <bazhang> cmp, what is your native language
[04:44] <mikey> the wifi is not working on this boox
[04:44] <genii> cmp: You are welcome
[04:44] <thiebaude> cmp, #offtopic might explain
[04:44] <a94060> lspci,what type ntwork card? laptop model?
[04:44] <tlf> mnaines, that didn;t hellp much. My card isn't listed there
[04:44] <Nautilus__> genii: OK so I'd like to uninstall the smartmontools, as well as postfix but forget what the other 2 packages it required were. any way to do it easy?
[04:44] <mikey> ok one min
[04:45] <jlilly> hey guys. trying to figure out how to install fonts for X. specifically so they will be listed via xlsfonts
[04:45] <mikey> a9, can i pm you
[04:45] <mnaines> tlf, ok...My bad...I cannot help you any further...Sorry
[04:45] <thiebaude> !fonts
[04:45] <tlf> Its all good
[04:45] <a94060> yes mikey
[04:45] <jlilly> I have the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/proggy/*.ttf  and previously had them in ~/.fonts --- err. I'll check that out now.
[04:45] <cmp> bazhang , doesnt  matter what is my native language as i can talk with you and you can understand me and i can understand English very well ..but iam very stupid about linux thats why i needed easy and clear explaining
[04:46] <mnaines> cmp, I was once in your position...Google proved to be a better teacher than anyone in here ever will be
[04:46] <JoeSomebody> i did ok until search domains ...
[04:46] <Frankenstein> ignorant not stupid,,theres a difference
[04:46] <thiebaude> cmp, ok, what is your question
[04:46] <genii> Nautilus__: usually the --purge option with apt-get remove
[04:46] <bazhang> cmp, the first link, do you exhibit any of those symptoms
[04:46] <thiebaude> Frankenstein, exactly
[04:47] <slap> losher can you take a look at my named.conf.local if you can see an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/259084/
[04:47] <Frankenstein> you can't be all that stupid if you are on here
[04:47] <JoeSomebody> not sure what to put in search domains
[04:47] <cmp> thiebaude , my question is : i want to know the steps of fixing my VGA to work with ubuntu and visual effect
[04:47] <slap> if found one...the path is complete !!
[04:47] <mnaines> Frankenstein: I don't use the words stupid or ignorant...I use the words "Linux Newbie"
[04:48] <mnaines> Frankenstein: Unfortunately, there is not a dedicated room for Linux Newbies
[04:48] <thiebaude> !compiz
[04:48] <Ben64> everyone's a linux newbie at some point
[04:48] <cmp> bazhang - i see something about same card i have - but i dont know what to do
[04:48] <JoeSomebody> i started 3 hours ago :)
[04:49] <mnaines> Ben64, Linux is one of those things where you never stop learning
[04:49] <JoeSomebody> and i need help LOL
[04:49] <Frankenstein> you doing good so far joe
[04:49] <Ben64> mnaines: oh i know
[04:49] <losher> slap: sorry, doesn't mean much to me. It's been years since I had anything to do with named...
[04:49] <Ben64> a couple years ago i learned that ubuntu makes it so much easier
[04:49] <chipz> :)
[04:49] <mnaines> Ben64: Hence why I chose it to enter the world of Linux
[04:49] <Ben64> before that i was busy hacking rh9 up to work with newer stuff
[04:50] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance  cmp  please look at the symptoms and tell me if your computer exhibits any of those
[04:50] <JoeSomebody> i shall give it a very good tryout
[04:50] <Celroc> cmp: Pardon me, but maybe a little more information could help. Are you just getting a blanked out screen, or is it just displaying it poorly?
[04:50] <cmp> the language is very complicated and iam very newwww in linux - of course i will not understand what is xorg.con
[04:50] <Ben64> upgrading to the brand new 2.6 kernel... that was a good learning experience : /
[04:50] <slap> losher thanks anyway
[04:50] <thiebaude> !xorg
[04:51] <mnaines> Ben64: I like Ubuntu because its not much different from Windows in terms of user-friendliness, and its easy enough to figure out that a little bit of effort and some help from Google and you can pretty much go it alone
[04:51] <bazhang> With compiz enabled, some animations such as desktop switching or compiz cube view are not smooth and take longer to complete than previously. <-- cmp
[04:51] <losher> slap: you can always use hardcoded ip addresses for nfs as a workaround to get it going, while you work on the named stuff...
[04:51] <cmp> celroc , iam getting this massege  desktop effect couldnt be enabled
[04:51] <Ben64> mnaines: but it doesn't lock you out of advanced functions, if you choose to use em
[04:51] <Celroc> cmp: Are you using a graphics card in your system?
[04:52] <Ben64> i hardly ever use gui tools
[04:52] <kevdog> e17 users here?
[04:52] <bazhang> cmp, this is about compiz not working?
[04:52] <cmp> celroc , aha - now i dont understand
[04:52] <thiebaude> don't you need 3d rendering to use compiz?
[04:52] <cmp> bazhang , yes
[04:52] <Ben64> thiebaude: indeed
[04:53] <thiebaude> bazhang, maybe his card dont support it
[04:53] <mnaines> Ben64, nope, and I like the fact that the gui has a small footprint...4GB of hard drive space and 512MB of RAM are all that is needed, and with a dual-core at 800MHz on each core, I never notice a difference in performance
[04:53] <esteban> hello
[04:53] <thiebaude> mine doesn't intel 815
[04:53] <bazhang> cmp, and you have installed ccsm? and the drivers for your card? enabled compiz?
[04:53] <Nautilus__> genii: like apt-get --purge remove smartmontools  ?
[04:53] <slap> thanks
[04:53] <wrapster> is there a way i can create a .deb pkg by using the files present in a .pkg (svr4) file?
[04:53] <bazhang> thiebaude, mine does, but badly (same card as yours )  :)
[04:53] <losher> Ben64: I rarely use gui tools either. But there's no stopping them. And if linux is going to continue to garner market share, the quality of gui tools is going to be crucial. Apple has proved that with a good enough gui, people will even use *bsd...
[04:54] <cmp> bazhang, guide me how to do it now and i will do , dont tell me some shortcuts of words please
[04:54] <cmp> bazhang , i dont know the language of Linux yet
[04:54] <mnaines> bazhang: I use the Intel 945 chipset
[04:54] <thiebaude> bazhang, i tried it , but ubuntu wouldn't let me
[04:54] <Ben64> losher: but the apple people will buy up anything apple releases : /
[04:54] <JoeSomebody> do i fill in search domains in ip4 window?
[04:54] <bazhang> cmp, you will need to do some reading; there is no walk through step by step for every little thing
[04:54] <wrapster> im a newbie to .deb so can anyone please help?
[04:54] <bazhang> !ccsm | cmp read this first
[04:54] <Ben64> $600 phone with no mms or copy+paste? AWESOME
[04:55] <esteban> losher: are you saying that macos-x has a *bsd core?
[04:55] <losher> Ben64: does seem like that doesn't it?
[04:55] <Purpley> mac does
[04:55] <thiebaude> bazhang, you have a dell computer?
[04:55] <bazhang> thiebaude, thinkpad
[04:55] <thiebaude> laptop
[04:55] <bazhang> yep
[04:55] <Technik> graphics Processor: integrated Intel GMA X3100 graphics <- Dell 1525
[04:55] <cmp> bazhang , how can i install
[04:55] <mnaines> JoeSomebody: No...Just put in the IP address, subnet mask, DNS and DHCP server information, and that's it
[04:55] <losher> esteban: Yes, I understood it's supposed to be bsd underneath.
[04:55] <cmp> i need clear stepsss
[04:55] <Technik> same as my Thinkpad T400
[04:56] <bazhang> cmp, did you see above what to install?
[04:56] <thiebaude> Technik, offtopic, but im looking for a netbook
[04:56] <esteban> losher: nice
[04:56] <cmp> bazhang, oh my god .......just please for god sake .... simply tell me ( go here . press there , .... ) and i will be good student )
[04:56] <losher> wrapster: there is a program named alien which can convert between *some* package types...
[04:57] <genii> Nautilus__: Yes. Apologies on lag, almost midnight and preparing to leave and sleep
[04:57] <kevdog> thiebaude:  Wait for the ion release netbooks in Oct -- I think Arm is aways off
[04:57] <mnaines> bazhang: cmp is one of those people who needs someone to hold his hand and guide him step by step
[04:57] <Nautilus__> losher: that util worked great, shows me i do have a drive going (SMART stats). Is there a util for ubuntu to wipe the drive before I return it for RMA? Or just find the usual one on the net?
[04:57] <JoeSomebody> mnaines it wont let me out of that window, i must be missing something, routes - what is that?
[04:57] <cmp> yessssssssssssssssss
[04:57] <Nautilus__> genii: NP! Big help
[04:57] <bazhang> cmp, you need to open the synaptic package manager (system administration synaptic package manager)
[04:57] <Nautilus__> genii: midnight here and I'm working on an HD and the motorcycle  ;)
[04:57] <kevdog> wrapster: Please be aware the alien -- well it sometimes makes packages that are alien and screwed up.  Look for a dep
[04:57] <kevdog> look for a deb
[04:58] <cmp> just a secong
[04:58] <cmp> bazhang , done
[04:58] <wrapster> losher: i know about that.. I've tried it as well.. It does convert but the main problem is when i try to install the resulting .deb it complains about other missing SUNW dependencies ..... But almost the same kind of pkg is natively  already present.. how do i go about resolving this issue?
[04:59] <bazhang> cmp, search for the package there
[04:59] <a94060> could someone point me to the official offtopic channel for freenode?
[04:59] <Technik> bazhang: make sure he's got multiverse and universe enabled in sources
[04:59] <bazhang> a94060, #defocus
[04:59] <losher> Nautilus__: there *are* drive wipe utils, but unless you are a fugitive from the FBI, I don't think extraordinary measures are needed. See if this helps: http://maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-how-to-delete-your-files-or-wipe-your-hard-drive-beyond-recovery/2008/02/14
[04:59] <histo> j #offtopic
[04:59] <cmp> bazhang , what package  - tell me the name of the packer
[04:59] <wrapster> losher: please help Im stuck with this for quite some time as im really new to this... But have familiarity with solaris for 2 yrs
[04:59] <neil_d> I am trying to follow this example http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicFunctions to setup a dynamic function.. but I get an internal error.. see http://pastebin.com/d10e104f8  for the details... can anyone help?
[04:59] <cmp> packer
[04:59] <cmp> i mean PACKAGE
[04:59] <bazhang> compizconfig-settings-manager <----- cmp
[05:00] <a94060> histo: is it really just #offtopic haha?
[05:00] <wrapster> kevdog: can you please elaborate?
[05:00] <wrapster> dep?
[05:00] <cmp> bazhang , done
[05:01] <esteban> hello
[05:01] <bazhang> cmp, install it
[05:01] <Celroc> esteban: Hi
[05:01] <a94060> channel doesnt exist histo
[05:01] <cmp> bazhang, by pressing apply
[05:01] <cmp> ?
[05:01] <losher> wrapster: if I were you, I would unpack the source package on solaris, and transfer the files to Ubuntu, recompile, test & repackage as a .deb. Anything less is not guaranteed to work... What package is it anyway. Are you sure it isn't available as a .deb anyway?
[05:01] <esteban> hello Celroc
[05:01] <bazhang> a94060, its #defocus
[05:02] <neil_d> I think I now the trouble...
[05:02] <wrapster> losher: yes... I want SUNWonbld
[05:02] <a94060> ohh,alrighty thank you very much. histo said offtopic haha. thanks
[05:02] <kevdog> wrapster: Lenovo and Toshiba are release ION netbooks that have an NVDIA GPU that supposedly can do real HD without skips.  They've suspended the release until OCT to coincide with the win7 release.  In addition both are 11" netbooks -- Some like this, some don't.  They claim to have 6-8 hours of bat life, however I havent read any "real" reviews just yet, only speculations
[05:02] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html cmp you should read this for some basics on Ubuntu
[05:02] <esteban> btw, someone knows if there is a console based msn messenger? :D
[05:03] <kevdog> How do you repackage as a deb?
[05:03] <cmp> bazhang, so you mean you dont have willing to guide me till the end?
[05:03] <a94060> thank you bazhang
[05:03] <genii> esteban: If you use bitlbee you can use whatever command-line based IRC client as the front end to your msn
[05:04] <losher> wrapster: unless you have source code, it's not going to work. binaries from solaris don't run on Ubuntu as far as I know...
[05:04] <JoeSomebody> i am now browsing my network, this rocks!
[05:04] <thiebaude> bazhang, thats an excellent guide
[05:04] <esteban> genii: thanks
[05:04] <genii> esteban: Welcome
[05:04] <bazhang> cmp, you will need to know some basics about using synaptic etc, I can help with compiz, but easier if you are a bit better informed
[05:04] <wrapster> losher: thats right.. But I have the pkg with me... it comes as a part of the CD itself..
[05:04] <Nautilus__> losher: just d/ling DBAN. that'll do it
[05:05] <wrapster> losher: how do i go about it now?
[05:05] <bazhang> thiebaude, yes, and its free download; ubuntu kung fu is another must read (not free though )
[05:05] <Nautilus__> losher: THANKS again!
[05:05] <kevdog> wrapster: Compile it!
[05:05] <wrapster> first of all how do i recompile the files in ubuntu...
[05:05] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[05:05] <thiebaude> bazhang, i want that ubuntu bible
[05:05] <wrapster> kevdog: for that I need SS12 which is not again available
[05:05] <cmp> bazhang , i am confused to take any step which may lead me to upgrade my system - coz in this case once i will reboot after upgrading i will be freezed again on black screen
[05:05] <wrapster> mind you its not ubuntu its nexenta.. that im working on
[05:05] <losher> kevdog: packaging a .deb is actually quite a pain. the program checkinstall will do it for you if you don't need anything fancy...
[05:05] <innomen> hey guys, i'm trying to send my contacts via bluetooth to my pc, its a vcf file, but when i attemtp to send it just says send failed, is there a better bluetooth handler?
[05:06] <kevdog> wrapster: SS12 -- sorry what is that?
[05:06] <wrapster> sun studio 12
[05:06] <wrapster> thats what i have to use.. no gcc
[05:06] <esteban> brb
[05:06] <wrapster> kevdog: i mean should not use gcc
[05:06] <Celroc> Pardon me, cmp, but are you having troubles with the screen going blank?
[05:06] <mikey> i am trying to get the wifi working on my hp laptop new install of 9.04
[05:06] <mikey> helllp
[05:06] <bazhang> Celroc, he has the intel video issue
[05:06] <kevdog> losher: NO NO NO --- checkinstall is bogus -- it doesn't make real deb files you can re-distribute -- that's a fallacy.
[05:07] <cmp> celroc , yes
[05:07] <komputes> How do i do "gpg --clearsign file" specifying the Key ID to be used?
[05:07] <thiebaude> Celroc, i had to edit my xorg.conf to fix my intel problem
[05:07] <kevdog> wrapster: Oops -- I guess I can't help you with that one -- sorry
[05:07] <joschu> I'm trying to get crontab to work. I tried editing my user crontab and the root crontab. here is what's in my crontab file: * * * * * ls -a > /home/joschu/blah.txt
[05:07] <wrapster> kevdog: thats fine can you at least tell me how i can recompile the source?
[05:07] <losher> wrapster: you just sound like you're just digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Isn't all this stuff sun propietary?
[05:07] <joschu> But nothing happens either way
[05:08] <wrapster> no
[05:08] <Celroc> bazhang: Oh. Don't know about that issue. That would mean he is using on-board graphics, right?
[05:08] <kevdog> wrapster: recompile or compile?
[05:08] <wrapster> Sun studio is free
[05:08] <wrapster> compile!
[05:08] <wrapster> sorry
[05:08] <mikey> please help me get my wifi working
[05:08] <bazhang> Celroc, yep
[05:08] <mikey> i just installed 9.04
[05:08] <wrapster> kevdog: do you have online resource that are .deb specific ...
[05:08] <wrapster> I'd like to know and start with it right away
[05:08] <bazhang> Celroc, its found at /msg ubottu intel
[05:08] <Celroc> Ah. I had a similar problem, but it was with a video card
[05:08] <losher> kevdog: that's what people say. I've only used it for personal packages.
[05:09] <kevdog> wrapster: I'm walking away from this one -- I don't know what you want to do!!
[05:09] <Celroc> bazhang: Thanks
[05:10] <joschu> any help on crontab issue?
[05:10] <akio_> Can some one direct me to the wine chat?
[05:10] <gwildor> wrapster, try google: <whatever you want to install> ubuntu 9.04
[05:10] <bazhang> akio_, #winehq
[05:10] <wrapster> kevdog: here it is.. I want to compile opensolaris on nexenta (which follows the .deb pkging method) in order to do that i need some compilers and tools which are in .pkg format.. to install em on nexenta i need to convert them to .deb..
[05:10] <wrapster> that exactly what i want to do.
[05:10] <kevdog> losher:  Talk to real developers -- like gpg, pidgin, etc -- They all laugh at checkinstall -- its for local use only.  I tried it on a bunch of packages, but when I went to upgrade -- after I recompiled the source after an upgrade -- things starting going south.  I was just way better off with the sudo make install thing.  I know this installs outside the apt system -- but nothing was broken
[05:10] <wrapster> Do you have a clear picture now?
[05:11] <bazhang> wrapster, is Ubuntu in that picture somewhere?
[05:11] <kevdog> wrapster: I have no idea how to make a real .deb -- but I'd like to learn about how to package one!!
[05:11] <MsMaco> kevdog: though often if you take the debian/ directory from an old version and drop it in and dpkg-builddeb it'll "just work" (assuming no changes in required libs)
[05:11] <mikey> can some one devote their time to help me get my wifi working on my hpdv6000  i have just installed the new version 9.04
[05:11] <wrapster> bazhang: technically yes.. as its ubuntu userland+ opensolaris kernel
[05:11] <wrapster> and it follows .deb pkging format
[05:12] <bazhang> wrapster, /join #nexenta
[05:12] <wrapster> :)
[05:12] <lordnikon> is mikey in here
[05:12] <kevdog> MsMaco:  Please give more details!!!
[05:12] <mikey> i am here
[05:12] <losher> wrapster: so what's the big advantage of having a solaris kernel with ubuntu userland?
[05:13] <MsMaco> kevdog: dholbach has a video on youtube of how to upgrade a package to a new upstream version. watch it.
[05:13] <lordnikon> hey guys can someone help mikey, his wifi is not working on a fresh jaunty install
[05:13] <cmp> bazhang , i dont have the power nor the time to read all this , cant you just say it
[05:13] <wrapster> losher: lets keep that aside for now... this is something taht I wanted to do.. I'd just like to know how i can
[05:13] <lordnikon> what is the beginner channel name??
[05:13] <cmp> bazhang , or i have to beg for what i need
[05:13] <cmp> ?
[05:13] <kevdog> MsMaco: I thought this was in reference to packaging a deb file?  Sorry I guess I'm not quite following
[05:14] <esteban> i'm looking for the amiga font, is anybody arround that has it or knows where to get it?
[05:14] <MsMaco> kevdog: yes, if you wanted to package version 1.5 of something that was just released because only 1.4 is in ubuntu, there's a video on youtube of how to do it
[05:14] <MsMaco> kevdog: i believe there's also a video of how to package in general
[05:14] <bazhang> cmp, you should repeat your issue every 20 minutes or so, adding that you have the intel driver issue on Jaunty, cant get compiz visual effects enabled; if someone knows they will help you
[05:14] <mikey> no one is answering us nikon
[05:14] <MsMaco> lordnikon: er...this is the usual support channel
[05:14] <lordnikon> !beginner chat
[05:15] <MsMaco> !ask | lordnikon
[05:15] <bazhang> lordnikon, this is it
[05:15] <kevdog> MsMaco:  I'll take a look -- I'd like to package a deb file for 2.6.2 pidgin -- developers version that I made on Intrepid
[05:15] <lordnikon> isnt there a ubuntu-beginer-help channel??
[05:15] <krammer_> i can get mail using thunderbird 3.0
[05:15] <MsMaco> lordnikon: this is it
[05:15] <losher> wrapster: well you've reached the limits of my expertise I'm afraid. I was about to suggest the same as bazhang. Surely #nexenta is the ideal place for this question?
[05:15] <kevdog> lordnikon: The forums?
[05:15] <MsMaco> lordnikon: this channel is full of beginner questions. its the advanced questions that are hard to get answered here
[05:15] <kindofabuzz> how come when an app makes a desktop shortcut i have to make it executable ever time?
[05:15] <thedancingdeer> my firefox freezes once in a while!!! what can be the causee?
[05:15] <lordnikon> ok mikey hasa an hp dv600 and the wifi is not working
[05:15] <kevdog> e17 users here?
[05:16] <cmp> why every 20 minutes - what is this place for - isnt it for helping the people who can do what they want /?
[05:16] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: flash? sites that abuse javascript?
[05:16] <kindofabuzz> thedancingdeer, try safe mode, if works fine then your problem is an addon
[05:16] <cmp> is this chat place for whole linux users - or iam wrong /.?
[05:16] <thedancingdeer> MsMaco: no! plain browsing! i've installed flashblock to keep flashes away!
[05:16] <kindofabuzz> cmp, no, just ubuntu users
[05:16] <MsMaco> cmp: what? this channel is for ubuntu tech support
[05:16] <mikey> i have a hpdv6000 and my wifi isnt working
[05:16] <thedancingdeer> kindofabuzz: yeah,. will try that!
[05:16] <lstarnes> cmp: this channel is specifically for support with ubuntu.  ##linux is a channel for general linux support
[05:16] <histo> cmp: this is the official support channel for ubuntu
[05:16] <bazhang> cmp, because repeating a short time, with help me is not needed, nor helpful; if someone knows they will step in and help with enough details
[05:16] <MsMaco> mikey: be more specific. like, what kind of wireless card
[05:17] <cmp> thats great
[05:17] <histo> cmp: /topic
[05:17] <MsMaco> mikey: and for example, did you check the hardware drivers thing in the menu?
[05:17] <lordnikon> he has an ateros card
[05:17] <bastidrazor> cmp, you could try #compiz channel for compiz related issues
[05:17] <cmp> i want support with my UBUNTU
[05:17] <thedancingdeer> ummm,. how do i start firefox in safe mode?
[05:17] <kindofabuzz> cmp, well you are in the right place then
[05:17] <krammer_> i can get mail using thunderbird 3.0
[05:17] <cmp> where
[05:17] <cmp> how can i gho
[05:17] <mikey> ateros wireless card
[05:17] <lstarnes> cmp: here
[05:17] <kindofabuzz> thedancingdeer, firefox -safe-mode
[05:17] <kevdog> lordnikon:  Need chipset revision number
[05:17] <bazhang> cmp, then you need to be patient, and repeat at 20 minute or so intervals
[05:17] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0.13/firefox -safemode" i think
[05:17] <joschu> I need some help getting cron jobs to work. I tried putting the following in my user crontab: * * * * * ls -a > /home/joschu/blah.txt. I also tried putting that in my root crontab. Nothing happens either way. I'm using ubuntu 9.04 as a virtual machine.
[05:17] <a94060> mikey: what happened withthe guide?
[05:17] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: to get the proper path: ls -l `which firefox-3.0`
[05:18] <lordnikon> kev, what is the terminal  command to find that out
[05:18] <kevdog> lspci -nnm
[05:18] <kindofabuzz> cmp, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode
[05:18] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: then thatll tell you like ../firefox-3.....
[05:18] <histo> cmp: what are you trying to accomplish?
[05:18] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: er i mean itll tell you ../lib/firefox-....
[05:18] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: so then thatd mean you to go /usr/lib/firefox-3.... whatever it said
[05:18] <thedancingdeer> ummm,.. firefox -safe-mode did the job! :)
[05:19] <MsMaco> thedancingdeer: wait it works from other directories now? oooooo
[05:19] <kindofabuzz> thedancingdeer, http://forums.mozillazine.org/ great place for FF help
[05:19] <esteban> Mikelevel: about atheros, do you know if there is a propietary driver?
[05:19] <MsMaco> no there isnt
[05:19] <MsMaco> atheros is all open source
[05:19] <cmp> histo, what did you give me this link for ?
[05:19] <esteban> mikey: about atheros, do you know if there is a propietary driver?
[05:19] <innomen> !bluetooth
[05:19] <godfreym> I installed some packages using rpm and then manually deleted the files...now when I use rpm -e it does not seem to work...any workaround?
[05:20] <kindofabuzz> cmp, sorry for that link. meant for someone else
[05:20] <MsMaco> godfreym: er...why are you using rpm on ubuntu?
[05:20] <histo> cmp: what type of video card do you have?
[05:20] <cmp> histo , i want my compiz to work
[05:20] <MsMaco> godfreym: but yeah it makes sense that it cant figure out how to remove files that dont exist
[05:20] <Celroc> histo: He has in Intel one
[05:20] <histo> cmp: okay I will try to help you do you know what type of video card you have?
[05:20] <kevdog> MsMaco: atheros is not all open source -- the hal layer on some chipsets is proprietary
[05:20] <histo> Celroc: ughh.
[05:20] <histo> cmp: what happens when you try to enable the extra desktop effects?
[05:20] <losher> joschu: cron is full of traps for the unwary. I'm not sure all asterisks in the time field is legal, Check /var/log/syslog too see what cron made of it...
[05:20] <MsMaco> kevdog: really? i thought all atheros drivers were open
[05:21] <cmp> histo, this is my video card       Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[05:21] <godfreym> MsMaco:cant there be a way to tweek the RPM database where it is mantained?
[05:21] <histo> cmp: okay what happens if you try to enable the extra effects?
[05:21] <innomen> That tutorial is not useful, it does not explain why i should be unable to reciveve a file
[05:21] <Madpilot> godfreym, you do know Ubuntu is deb based, not rpm, right? And that this is #ubuntu, not ##linux?
[05:21] <cmp> histo, it tells me ( desktop couldnt be enabled )
[05:21] <koolhead1> hi alll
[05:21] <histo> cmp: hrm.
[05:21] <Celroc> koolhead1: Hi
[05:22] <lstarnes> Madpilot: I believe he is using rpm/alien on ubutnu
[05:22] <histo> cmp: do you know what version of ubuntu you have installed?
[05:22] <Lenin_Cat> um
[05:22] <vince> Good Evening, I was hoping I could get some help installing the NVidia Binary Drivers in the .29 or .30 kernel.  Google has failed me
[05:22] <kevdog> MsMaco: Nope!  Newer chipset versions -- even the madwifi project used to make use of closed hal layers -- still do -- that's the ath_pci driver that sometimes needs to go within the blacklist file
[05:22] <Lenin_Cat> my panels just disapeared
[05:22] <Madpilot> lstarnes, ick.
[05:22] <cmp> 9.04
[05:22] <bazhang> !panels > Lenin_Cat
[05:22] <godfreym> Madpilot:Yes I know that but the installer packages were in RPM and they didnt allow any deb related packages
[05:22] <kindofabuzz> how come when an app makes a desktop shortcut i have to make it executable ever time?
[05:22] <histo> cmp: in a terminal try the command      glxinfo | grep render
[05:22] <godfreym> so had to use RPM for that
[05:22] <koolhead1> Celroc: hey
[05:22] <kevdog> MsMaco: chipsets like 5007e are newer and use open source drivers
[05:22] <esteban> brb
[05:22] <histo> cmp: we are looking to see if you have direct rendering enabled
[05:23] <losher> godfreym: so you download a version of rpm for ubuntu?
[05:23] <mralexandro> hi i need help after estracting a tar.gz file. it was for a software called stratagus. but there is always software out there in tar.gz and after estracting it to a folder like /usr/local/src/stratagus-x.x.x. what do i do. i need to configure right? and to install?
[05:23] <joschu> losher-all i see in the syslog is BEGIN EDIT and END EDIT
[05:23] <cmp> histo, i did
[05:23] <godfreym> yes
[05:23] <krammer_> i can get mail using thunderbird 3.0 new to configurating
[05:23] <godfreym> from ubuntu
[05:23] <kevdog> tar zxvf <tar file>
[05:23] <cmp> histo, and it tells me  (direct rendering: Yes
[05:23] <cmp> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090326 2009Q1 RC2 x86/MMX/SSE2
[05:23] <cmp> )
[05:24] <kindofabuzz> godfreym, you can use alien to instal rpm's
[05:24] <histo> cmp: so when you click in System > preferences > Appearence on the visual effects tab and sellect Extra Effects it gives you an error?
[05:24] <kevdog> mralexandro: Then usually ./configure, make, and then sudo make install (usually -- might need to run autogen.sh sometimes)
[05:24] <cmp> yes
[05:24] <brummbaer> hey all, trying to get guarddog firewall and ipblock rules to apply at startup. does anyone know how to do this or a good tutorial, as i can't find one.
[05:25] <histo> cmp: what is the exact error
[05:25] <kevdog> brummbaer: How complex are your rules -- with gufw do, or do you have really complex rule sets?
[05:25] <godfreym> kindofabuzz,I had installed them and deleted the files,now RPM -e wont work :-(
[05:25] <mralexandro> kevdog, yes it tells you to on the install page . so just sudo autogen.sh?
[05:25] <cmp> histo, desktop effect couldnt be enabled
[05:25] <losher> joschu: well, first step, change the first asterisk to a 5. That should run your command once every 5 minutes. Then wait 5 minutes and see what it says...
[05:25] <mralexandro> kevdog or configer first?
[05:25] <fleixius> Are there any windows app out there that allows me to draw X windows over NX
[05:26] <kindofabuzz> godfreym, i really don't know much about alien other than that it's used to install rpm's, sorry
[05:26] <brummbaer> kevdog, i could probably make do w/ ufw, but i've not used it, and i dislike the gufw shield in menu... :(
[05:26] <kevdog> mralexandro: ./autogen.sh , sometimes configure is run from this, other times you then do the ./configure.  In all cases, make, sudo make install
[05:26] <newser> is there any app that can record video if movement is detected?
[05:26] <newser> using a webcam
[05:26] <brummbaer> kevdog, the basic firewall is deny-all, then i've just punched holes for 80 incoming and http/https/ftp/pops/smtps/dns/whois out...
[05:27] <losher> godfreym: ubuntu rpm is hopefully layered over dpkg. If so, there will be a log of what you installed in /var/lib/dpkg/status. Have a look in there towards the end of the file...
[05:27] <kevdog> brummbaer: Could you not just write your rules by hand and then just simply push them to iptables at startup -- thats what ufw does anyway
[05:27] <mralexandro> kevdog when i do it says command unknown
[05:27] <kevdog> mralexandro: What command?
[05:27] <histo> cmp: I found this which will help explain some of the issues with your video card in jaunty http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582&highlight=desktop+effects+couldn%27t+enabled
[05:28] <a94060> any keyboard shortcut to switch channels in xchat? sorry for being off topic
[05:28] <mralexandro> kevdog i type sudo ./autogen.sh and i tried ./autogen.sh
[05:28] <kevdog> Don't need sudo
[05:28] <bastidrazor> a94060, alt + 1 - 9
[05:28] <histo> cmp: so you can follow the guide and get appropriate drivers or wait until the next version of ubuntu comes out.
[05:28] <mralexandro> kevdog,  for non sudo i get following msg :  bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[05:28] <histo> cmp: As the guide recomends it could break your install.
[05:28] <cmp> histo, i have got that link before - but i dont know what should i do with it . there are some Logs and some Commands and i dont know what to do with it - and even if i will copy it and paste it - i dont know where i will paste it
[05:28] <kevdog> mralexandro: Please pastebin the contents of the directory
[05:28] <mralexandro> ok
[05:29] <brummbaer> kevdog: well... i have the rules in a bash script in /etc/rc.firewall as saved by guarddog, and ubuntu (jaunty) has default added a 'guarddog init script to /etc/init.d/, if i check boot txt during startup, boot txt says it runs, but if i run 'iptables -L' after startup, it's got the default 'no rules' config
[05:29] <vince> Help?  Somebody?  Please?
[05:29] <a94060> thank you bastidrazor
[05:29] <krammer_> i can get mail using thunderbird 3.0 new to configuration
[05:29] <fleixius> How can I draw a gnome-panel on an remote session?
[05:29] <JoeSomebody> hey guys, what do you play av files with? the built in app or vlc or some other one?
[05:29] <a94060> how about closing a window in xhcat?
[05:30] <histo> cmp: well then I would wait untill the next version of ubuntu comes out and your problems will be solved.
[05:30] <bazhang> !players | JoeSomebody
[05:30] <histo> cmp: there are issues with your card and jaunty.
[05:30] <Celroc> vince: Pardon me, but could you re-post your question?
[05:30] <cmp> histo, where can i find the xorg.conf
[05:30] <mralexandro> kevdog,  http://pastebin.com/m2071ee6
[05:30] <kevdog> brummbaer: Weird -- did you try just making simple rules?  Have you checked the permissions on these files as well and made sure if any need to be executable that this is the case
[05:30] <JoeSomebody> thanks
[05:30] <histo> cmp: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:30] <histo> cmp: if it doesnt exist you have to create one.
[05:31] <cmp> dont tell me more complicated things - just tell me how to find it and if i dont have it - how to create it
[05:31] <histo> cmp: That thread shows you how to create one and were its located.
[05:31] <histo> cmp: I can't walk you through the instructions.
[05:31] <kindofabuzz> krammer_, is that a question?
[05:31] <cmp> then can you tell me how should i know about what i want to know ?
[05:32] <joschu> losher-supposedly * * * * * means every minute
[05:32] <krammer_> kindofabuzz, is there a question mark?
[05:32] <histo> cmp: That thread explains the issue and what you need to do to solve it. I've told you I would just wait untill the next version comes out to get the effects.
[05:32] <kevdog> mralexandro: That program is trying to use the Korne shell interpreter -- and you are probably running bash.  Please paste bin the contents of autogen.sh -- its a text file
[05:32] <cmp> if all the pages which i have got by you guys here - is just telling without any kind of instructions . so how can i find the way out then ?
[05:32] <joschu> losher: i tried 5 * * * * for good measure, nothin
[05:33] <kindofabuzz> krammer_, no but what's your point in saying that?
[05:33] <histo> cmp: its not worth breaking your system over. especially if you don't understand they recomend not to do it.
[05:33] <mralexandro> kevdog,  alright:)
[05:33] <histo> cmp: Read the warning in red at the top.
[05:33] <vince> Celroc Yes, Im trying to install the Binary NVidia Drivers with Kernel .29 or .30
[05:33] <cmp> histo, it was working with me very fineeeee
[05:33] <krammer_> to see how rude somebody can be and rather ask hey how can I help you
[05:33] <histo> cmp: what was working?
[05:33] <cmp> without any hand from my side in it
[05:33] <vince> When I try to do so X makes me to to basic graphics mode which makes my eyes bleed.
[05:33] <cmp> the compiz and the effect
[05:34] <histo> cmp: okay what happened before it broke?
[05:34] <Celroc> vince: Sorry, I don't really know how to help... but maybe someone else can
[05:34] <mralexandro> kevdog, http://pastebin.com/d88ce588
[05:35] <cmp> nothing - just i have upgraded my linux, and then i rebooted my PC , then i got freezed on the black screen and didnt enter the ubuntu
[05:35] <histo> cmp: how'd you get back in to ubuntu then?
[05:35] <kevdog> mralexandro: Edit the first line of the autogen.sh file so it states #!/bin/bash
[05:35] <bastidrazor> vince, you'll need to stop gdm (if you're using gnome) then run the .run file you downloaded.
[05:35] <cmp> i reinstalled it from the begining again
[05:35] <mralexandro> kevdog ok:)
[05:35] <histo> cmp: when you reinstalled did you install a newer version of ubuntu?
[05:36] <vince> bastidrazor : So i'll have to get the drivers from nVidia's site and then run them from terminal with X shut down?
[05:36] <cmp> no the same one 9.04
[05:36] <pluxii> i dual boot ubuntu and vista ultimate, when i mount my primary on ubuntu to access windows files that i need, those files are then denoted as shared on windows, I am curious if these becoming shared files opens me up for any kind of security vulnerability or if they are only shared between ubuntu and vista.
[05:36] <mralexandro> kevdog, i also have to inform you that on the page they specify two different procedures wheter you have (1)GCC/Mingw 2 MSVC
[05:36] <histo> cmp: then it should be working just as before.
[05:36] <mralexandro> kevdog: but i did the edit you said
[05:36] <cmp> yes
[05:36] <cmp> but its not working now i dont know why ?
[05:36] <bastidrazor> vince, yes, if you want the drivers from them.. although most nvidia cards work well from the ubuntu provided ones.
[05:36] <histo> cmp: hit alt+f2 and type in compiz --replace    then hit enter
[05:37] <vince> bastidrazor: No compix no 3D Accell.  Open source drivers stink.
[05:37] <vince> Well not open source drivers per say
[05:37] <cmp> did
[05:37] <mralexandro> kevdog, should i run the autogen now?
[05:37] <vince> Bah its 1 AM you know what I mean :-P
[05:37] <kevdog> mralexandro: Is this a windows build?
[05:37] <bastidrazor> vince, okay, then yes you'll need to get the drivers from nVidia then stop X.. and install them.
[05:37] <kevdog> mralexandro: yes
[05:38] <mikey2> is a9 here ??
[05:38] <anom01y> !ivtv
[05:38] <histo> cmp: try to enable effects
[05:38] <mikey2> why did you leave lol
[05:38] <anom01y> how do I get ivtv for Jaunty ?
[05:38] <histo> cmp: did you have to do something before to get effects working?
[05:38] <kevdog> Whats ivtv?
[05:38] <vince> bastidrazor: Remind me agian how you Kill X, Its CTRL-ALT-F1 or something like that right?
[05:38] <hornets> sup guys
[05:38] <cmp> before ???? no
[05:38] <anom01y> for tv/tuner cards
[05:38] <mralexandro> kevdog, bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[05:38] <kermit> vince: ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:39] <anom01y> kevdog, for a hauppauge pvr-150
[05:39] <hornets> someone knows a good gui-based ftp client?
[05:39] <cmp> same error
[05:39] <anom01y> hornets, filezilla
[05:39] <mikey2> kevdog, i need help getting the wifi working on a hpdv6000
[05:39] <histo> vince: hit ctrl+alt+f1 and you will be a text terminal then you can sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:39] <cmp> i have got the same error now again
[05:39] <kermit> mralexandro: you have a CR where there should be an LF, what editor was that made in?
[05:39] <hornets> anom01y: tks
[05:39] <bastidrazor> vince, yes get to tty1 by ctrl alt F1.. then log in and type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop    .. then install your drivers and  switch stop for start..
[05:39] <histo> vince: you can use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start to get it running again
[05:39] <kermit> mralexandro: ^M is a microsoft style end of line indicator
[05:39] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there something I have to do to get the clock to stay in sync automatically?
[05:40] <kermit> CoJaBo-Aztec: install ntpd
[05:40] <histo> cmp: I have no idea what the problem is and how it would be recreated after a fresh install when it worked before.
[05:40] <mralexandro> kevdog, i used sudo gedit autogen.sh
[05:40] <kevdog> mralexandro: Where did you get that package?  Is this for linux -- usually mingw is for cross compiling
[05:40] <bastidrazor> vince, as histo said. he is a bit faster than me in typing.. head colds are eVil
[05:40] <bastidrazor> !dontzap | kermit
[05:40] <mralexandro> kevdog i will show u 2 sec
[05:40] <thedancingdeer> i've got firefox 3.5(shiretoko) installed on my jaunty machine before it was released! so i could use firefox 3 and firefox 3.5 simultaneously! so if i now install firefox 3.5 from its website, will it replace my current 3.5???
[05:40] <jacksy> Can any body plz guide me how to install Adobe flash CS# on my ubuntu 8.10
[05:40] <vince> Bastidrazor : Ok, I'll need to restart first, Im still in .28
[05:40] <kevdog> mralexandro: Let me download the package and I'll compile it
[05:40] <jacksy> Flash CS3
[05:41] <mralexandro> kevdog, http://stratagus.sourceforge.net/download.shtml here, but i would really like to also compile it:)
[05:41] <DigitalKiwi> ubuntu has a package to reenable what you got removed
[05:41] <mikey2> i am trying to get the wireless working on my box pleaase help
[05:41] <DigitalKiwi> *snark*
[05:41] <cmp> histo , then i want to know now - what is really special about linux system- as i see its very complicated to work with  - very complicated to insatll programs . what is so special about it ?
[05:41] <DigitalKiwi> that's utterly hilarious
[05:42] <histo> cmp: its not complicated once you learn it. As i've stated your hardware has issues with the current version of ubuntu. They are fixing it with the next release. and I believe it worked under 8.10 as well.
[05:42] <kindofabuzz> cmp, no difficutl, just different. what's special about it? freedom to do whatever you want with it.
[05:42] <jacksy> Hello everybody
[05:42] <Celroc> jacksy: Hi
[05:42] <kermit> cmp: i personally find it vastely easier, i tried win for years and i never knew what was going on.  its a matter of personal taste.
[05:42] <cmp> as i can see - i cant do what ever i want with it
[05:42] <histo> cmp: heres a nother fix with a little more details http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136738&highlight=gm965
[05:43] <jacksy> can anybody plz guide me how to install Adobe Flash cs3 on ubuntu 8.1
[05:43] <hornets> i dunno if this is the right place
[05:43] <hornets> but i'm planning on running a dedicated server
[05:43] <pluxii> Question, I keep setting up dual monitors, using my nvidia driver settings, and each time i reboot i have to do it all over.  does anyone know how to make this fix so that i have dual when i boot up
[05:43] <kermit> cmp: and in win noone knew how to do things if i asked around, in linux someone always knows where to direct me if i have questions.
[05:43] <histo> cmp: those commands under the code: sections are to be entered in a terminal Applications > Accessories > terminal
[05:43] <hornets> what is the BEST ubuntu-server kernel? for security pourposes?
[05:43] <hornets> 8.04?
[05:44] <hornets> or the new one is just fine too?
[05:44] <mikey2> wifi is not working in a fresh install of 9.04, assistance is needed
[05:44] <histo> hornets: they both have security fixes.
[05:44] <histo> !best | hornets
[05:44] <SpookyET> A linux user would go apeshit if he installed a new version of his favourite distribution and found the commands either gone or renamed. WTF Apple? What did you do to Terminal in Snow Leopard? Crippleware.  PlistBuddy gone, ar gone. sha1sum renamed to shasum, md5sum renamed to md5. I could go on. Why keep around Terminal.app. It was also not update dot support 256 colours. Geez.
[05:44] <cmp> and why when i ask - i cant find so many people who can help me
[05:44] <jacksy> is there any solution to install adobe flash cs3 on ubuntu
[05:44] <cmp> only when i go to chat rooms about this system
[05:45] <cmp> and sooooooooo hardly untill i find the person who can communicate with me
[05:45] <histo> cmp: did you read the last link I gave you? It has step by step instructions on how to fix your intel card
[05:45] <kevdog> mralexandro: give me a sec -- just downloading the package
[05:45] <losher> hornets: security issues get patched in all supported releases, so they're all about equal in that respect. 8.04LTS is probably the most *stable* release, if that helps...
[05:45] <hornets> ahm, this is not exactly what I was looking for
[05:45] <hornets> ahh
[05:45] <cmp> iam doing now
[05:45] <mralexandro> kevdog, no problem, i am excited to learn:)
[05:45] <hornets> that was I looking for losher
[05:45] <pluxii> so no one knows then, i'll hop on later when a different crew is on
[05:46] <cmp> is this room supported by ubuntu company
[05:46] <cmp> ?
[05:46] <mikey2> kevdog, can you help get this darn wifi working
[05:46] <bastidrazor> pluxii, did you run nvidia-settings with sudo and save to xorg.conf?
[05:46] <histo> cmp: this room is volunteers. Ubuntu has paid support availible.
[05:46] <histo> !topic | cmp
[05:46] <hornets> losher: so.. let's say that you would run a dedicated server?
[05:47] <mralexandro> cmp, i have a guide about graphics drivers. it is not supergood, but i made it so that it should be understandable
[05:47] <bastidrazor> pluxii, gksudo ..rather
[05:47] <hornets> LTS is the best thoice?
[05:47] <mralexandro> cmp, you want it?
[05:47] <histo> hornets: for a production server yes
[05:47] <cmp> yes i want it
[05:47] <kermit> cmp: if ubuntu is just giving you a blank screen at startup, your hardware is probably intended to only work with windows, you could get it to work, or you could use better hardware.
[05:47] <mcpancakes> hey all, I've got a hard drive (/dev/sda) that can't seem to be read by anything. all I want to do is delete every byte on the entire device. dd said I/O error (tried writing /dev/zero to the entire device), as did fdisk and gparted when I tried using those. my only remaining thought is that physically, the hardware is damaged?
[05:47] <pluxii> bastidrazor: it's a question of shared files security, so i don't understand what you're asking
[05:47] <Bhavic> Does anyone know if Software RAID 0 actually increases writing/reading speed at all.
[05:47] <kevdog> mralexandro: well for one I just type ./configure
[05:47] <mralexandro> cmp,  http://alexanderklein.blogg.no/1246743768_04jul2009.html
[05:48] <bastidrazor> pluxii, didn't you ask about setting up dual monitors?
[05:48] <hornets> histo: The server will run rtorrent/nfs/proftpd/apache/mysql
[05:48] <mralexandro> kevdog,  and then? :)
[05:48] <losher> hornets: I *do* run a dedicated server. On 8.04 LTS...
[05:48] <hornets> it's not exaclty for "production"
[05:48] <kevdog> mikey2: Hit me up tomorrow --- I'm definitely about to go to bed -- if you make a post in the forums I will take a look at it -- a lot of good people there also
[05:48] <hornets> is just a seedbox lol
[05:48] <histo> mralexandro: he has an intel card
[05:48] <mikey2> ok thnx
[05:48] <mralexandro> histo, oh sorry
[05:49] <hornets> losher: hum.. thanks dude.
[05:49] <histo> mralexandro: cmp Thats why i gave him the link to install updated ppa drivers from the forums.
[05:49] <anom01y> how do I get a hauppauge pvr 150 to work in ubuntu Jaunty ??
[05:49] <mralexandro> histo i did not mean to
[05:49] <mralexandro> histo,  i should have read
[05:49] <kevdog> mralexandro: well configure didnt go all the way b/c I dont have the dependency lua installed
[05:49] <histo> mralexandro: np
[05:49] <pluxii> oh ffs i copy pasted the wrong question, i sincerely apologize, the question is when i access files off of my primary (i dual boot ubuntu and vista) upon accessing them windows then marks them as shared files, and i just wanted to make sure those being marked as shared under windows would not create a security problem when i am on vista
[05:49] <histo> cmp: those instructions from mralexandro are for nvidia cards not intel
[05:50] <bastidrazor> pluxii, heh..  sorry, i don't know about shared files. good luck
[05:50] <cmp> ok
[05:50] <histo> cmp: you need to follow these http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136738
[05:50] <esteban> 2
[05:50] <pluxii> bastidrazor: ha no problem man, thanks
[05:50] <mralexandro> kevdog, are you going to isntall it or just skip it?
[05:50] <pluxii> i'll just hop on the ubuntu forums in a bit
[05:50] <JoeSomebody> its my first day, please bear with me, what is the antivirus situation? do i need one? is it free?
[05:50] <DigitalKiwi> no you don't need an antivirus
[05:50] <kevdog> mralexandro: You have to install it -- its a dependency -- without it the configure script will not work
[05:51] <mralexandro> oh ok
[05:51] <mralexandro> sudo apt-get xxxxxx? :D
[05:51] <jacksy> hello
[05:51] <mralexandro> kevdog,  can i use a apt-get command:)
[05:51] <bucky> Bhavic, sudo hdparm -t /dev/md0
[05:51] <bucky> Timing buffered disk reads:  258 MB in  3.00 seconds =  85.97 MB/sec
[05:51] <histo> !antivirus | JoeSomebody
[05:52] <bucky> Bhavic, what does yours say?
[05:52] <DigitalKiwi> hehe, though ubuntu users like installing viruses with wine
[05:52] <kevdog> mralexandro: Hang on I'll tell you in a minute -- and I prefer aptitude but that is really just me -- apt-get is really ok
[05:52] <mralexandro> :)
[05:52] <DigitalKiwi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72598
[05:52] <DigitalKiwi> thread is hilarious
[05:52] <AvonGenesis> Does anyone know how to uninstall the google chrome linux build?
[05:52] <hornets> ahm, MS Office runs ok on wine?
[05:52] <DigitalKiwi> !appdb
[05:52] <Bhavic> bucky: Is that WITH raid?
[05:52] <jacksy> is there any body in the network can guide me to install flash CS3 on ubuntu
[05:52] <Bhavic> Or without
[05:52] <DigitalKiwi> I think so hornets
[05:52] <hornets> thanks
[05:53] <bucky> Bhavic, yes
[05:53] <bucky> Bhavic, what does yours say?
[05:53] <Bhavic> Ahnice.
[05:53] <mralexandro> hornets, why do you want office, when you can have openoffice?
[05:53] <bucky> Bhavic, sudo hdparm -t /dev/md0
[05:53] <aksci> i've got firefox 3.5(shiretoko) installed from synaptic on my jaunty machine before it was officially released! so i could use firefox 3 and firefox 3.5 simultaneously! if i now install firefox 3.5 from its website, will it replace my current 3.5???
[05:53] <Bhavic> sec
[05:53] <hornets> mralexandro: I know that dude
[05:53] <cmp> histo pleaseee  read it with me - and lets follow it together -  and see if it will be understandable or not
[05:53] <torn> hornets, you might as well run OpenOffice. It supports MS Office Word, Excel, and PowerPoint formats, as well.
[05:53] <mralexandro> hornets, ok:)
[05:53] <hornets> but unfortunately some things just DON'T work on openoffice.
[05:53] <alexyk> hey guys -- I'm trying UNR and switched to Classic desktop, wanna go back to Netbook, how?
[05:53] <hornets> like indexing pages
[05:54] <torn> hornets, oops, just read mralexandro's reply.
[05:54] <newser> motion!
[05:54] <crawler> just found a pretty funny easter egg in the terminal..accidentally had the caps lock on, and typed LS instead of ls and got a nice surprise!
[05:54] <cmp> i opened the terminal - i copied the code .. i pressed enter .
[05:54] <torn> alexyk, go to Preferences > Switch Mode
[05:54]  * crawler loves linux more and more each day :-)
[05:54] <newser> !motion
[05:54] <cmp> histo , it opened another page   the source list .....then ?????????????//
[05:55] <newser> anyone has used motion before?
[05:55] <hornets> well, i'm still trapped with MS office. :D
[05:55] <DigitalKiwi> zsh: command not found: LS
[05:55] <DigitalKiwi> :(
[05:55] <torn> hornets, how come?
[05:55] <hornets> if wasn't for that shitty app, i'll be using linux 100% of the time.
[05:55] <alexyk> torn: thx.  Now what's the most recent way to fix the Intel GMA bug?  AccelMethod UXA enough or patched kernel needed?
[05:55] <hornets> like I said, indexing pages.
[05:55] <_law_> hi hi
[05:55] <hornets> doesn't work properly in OF.
[05:55] <CoJaBo-Aztec> kermit: Thanks. And apt-get install ntpd will do all the setup for me?
[05:55] <torn> alexnet, which netbook are you using?
[05:55] <DigitalKiwi> what about abiword?
[05:55] <DigitalKiwi> does that work hornets ?
[05:55] <hornets> abiword?
[05:55] <_law_> wanna ask can winxp see ubuntu drives?
[05:56] <hornets> never tried that dude
[05:56] <DigitalKiwi> <3 abiword
[05:56] <innomen> guys how can i makes use of this? "Blueman and it's dependencies are maintained in launchpad PPA. https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueman/+archive/ppa"
[05:56] <hornets> just hit apt-get install abiword?
[05:56] <cmp> histo i see that its leading me to UPDATE    --- if i will update i will get my system crashed agaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[05:56] <torn> hornets, OpenOffice cannot index pages?
[05:56] <innomen> it wont let me add it to sources
[05:56] <esteban> hornets: i prefer abiword
[05:56] <torn> hornets, can you explain please? I like to learn about different features.
[05:56] <kevdog> mralexandro: sudo aptitude install liblua50-dev libmikmod2-dev libbz2-dev
[05:57] <DigitalKiwi> do you mean put page numbers?
[05:57] <mralexandro> kevdog, thanks:)
[05:57] <hornets> torn: well.. it's a project from my college degree.
[05:57] <innomen> !sources
[05:57] <DigitalKiwi> or something more complicated
[05:57] <hornets> so everybody use MS Office for writing the document
[05:57] <kindofabuzz> !karmic > kindofabuzz
[05:57] <hornets> when I oppen the doc in O.F, the indexing (sumary?) appears all f*cked up.
[05:57] <hornets> open*
[05:58] <BioVore> hornets: office 2007 basically not compatible with anything... not even 2003.. :-(
[05:58] <torn> hornets, but in my case, I have no problems switching between using OpenOffice and MS Office, especially for word documents. In that case, I just save my file as MS Word 97/2000/XP format.
[05:58] <kevdog> mralexandro: You also might need to install the other dependencies as explained on the website -- I already had these install since I compile a lot, so I didn't need to install them
[05:58] <hornets> torn: I know that
[05:59] <Bhavic> bucky: Yours was 85mb/s with RAID 0/1 or no RAID ?
[05:59] <mralexandro> kevdog, ok they are on the install guide right?
[05:59] <bucky> yep
[05:59] <Bhavic> Which one bucky
[05:59] <bucky> Bhavic, raid 0
[05:59] <Bhavic> Ahk
[05:59] <Bhavic> Soft?
[05:59] <Bhavic> or hard
[05:59] <hornets> but everybody save in the new format docx
[05:59] <bucky> Bhavic, soft ..fake raid
[05:59] <Bhavic> Hm ok.
[05:59] <Bhavic> Mines: Timing buffered disk reads: 496 MB in 3.00 seconds = 165.22 MB/se
[05:59] <hornets> i know that O.F can support docx
[05:59] <bucky> Bhavic,  i'm running two raptors so that helps
[05:59] <hornets> but some things.. just doesn't work :/
[05:59] <kermit> is there a way to make standby not care about stuck processes?  sometimes my nfs server is unreachable and processes waiting for it block standby.
[05:59] <torn> hornets, OpenOffice supports .docx as well.
[06:00] <torn> At least, the latest version does.
[06:00] <Bhavic> Lol ahk
[06:00] <hornets> yes it does
[06:00] <torn> I always end up typing by the time it's too late.
[06:00] <torn> Oh, hornets, I have a good idea, if you're willing...
[06:00] <bucky> Bhavic, that's pretty good... my old cpu holds me back
[06:00] <Bhavic> Ah
[06:00] <hornets> i'm installing abiword, let see how it goes.
[06:00] <Bhavic> Thanks :))
[06:00] <kevdog> mralexandro: Yea but to be honest with you the names of the libraries are slightly different than what they state.  You will see that with what I gave you and what was written in the page.
[06:01] <Newbuntu2> I have a couple of old hard drives that may have issues... is there a way to test if they are ok?
[06:01] <torn> Alright, and I have another idea as well, hornets.
[06:01] <jonex> how i change room/
[06:01] <torn> Newbuntu2, I would use smartmontools.
[06:01] <kevdog> mralexandro: You also need liblualib50-dev
[06:01] <torn> jonex, type /j #channelname
[06:01] <mralexandro> hmmm. could you pastebin me all of them? :)
[06:01] <mralexandro> kevdog, pls:)
[06:01] <torn> alexnet, are you still there?
[06:02] <kevdog> mralexandro: I gave you what I could find, but Im not looking up all of them individually -- that is your job -- hence that is the art of compiling!
[06:02] <mralexandro> kevdog, agreed
[06:02] <mralexandro> :)
[06:02] <hornets> torn: what idea?
[06:03] <torn> hornets, do you still have your Windows XP/Vista installation disc?
[06:03] <anom01y> is v4l2 strickly for webcams or can I use it for my tv/tuner (hauppauge pvr-150) ?
[06:03] <kevdog> mralexandro: I gave you over 1/2 of them -- its just I already had the other libs installed -- so I got lazy and didn't look them up -- I had to in the past when I installed them!!
[06:03] <anom01y> because I don't know how to get ivtv to work
[06:03] <hornets> torn: yep
[06:03] <hornets> an .iso
[06:03] <DigitalKiwi> oh snap, pirate!
[06:03] <torn> hornets, I have great experience with VirtualBox, and couldn't be happier with it. http://www.virtualbox.org
[06:03] <hornets> :D
[06:03] <AvonGenesis> Does anyone know how to uninstall the google chrome linux build?
[06:03] <mralexandro> kevdog, but it is all of the required ones i need, not the recommended ones right. so the sdl, libpng, zlib and lua 5.02 ?
[06:04] <hornets> torn: dude
[06:04] <hornets> I have vbox on windows lol
[06:04] <kevdog> mralexandro: I'd also recommend the build-essential package if you don't already have them installed
[06:04] <hornets> for running linux
[06:04] <torn> hornets, LOL
[06:04] <hornets> yeah, rly.
[06:04] <DigitalKiwi> fail
[06:04] <hornets> I got balls and installed on a partition
[06:04] <hornets> :P
[06:04] <torn> hornets, I would going to say to install Windows on a virtual machine, and just run Office 2007 on there.  It's almost as good as VMware, yet it's completely free for personal use, and OSS at that...
[06:05] <hornets> i know that
[06:06] <hornets> is pretty lame to use.
[06:06] <hornets> very easy
[06:06] <a94060_> torn i said the exact same thing
[06:06] <histo> hornets: you can't use openoffice?
[06:06] <hornets> histo: nop :/
[06:06] <kevdog> mralexandro:  Well when running the configure script -- it seems the recommended aren't so optional as they state b/c without those libs the configure script would die -- but I gave you most of those along with the lua libraries. You need SDL, libpng, zlib libogg/libvorbis.  The libraries when you look them up will start with something like lib.....-dev.  You want all the developmental...
[06:06] <kevdog> ...packages when you compile -- look at the packages I already gave you -- they all have the -dev extension
[06:06] <chalcedny> i have ubuntu jaunty/9.04 I downloaded Opera 9.64 tonight, and the flash player, and unzipped that. Why does it say I don't have flash? How can i fix that?
[06:07] <binarymutant> can you redirect in the ubuntu wiki?
[06:07] <mralexandro> kevdog even below 5x?
[06:07] <kevdog> mralexandro -- don't use checkinstall -- just a plain sudo make install will do!
[06:07] <kevdog> mralexandro: ??
[06:08] <Michael_> I need help
[06:08] <Madpilot> chalcedny, just unzipping the flash installer won't install it
[06:08] <Madpilot> ubottu, flash
[06:08] <histo> hornets: looks like it may work with wine.
[06:08] <chalcedny> ah thanks :)
[06:08] <Madpilot> chalcedny, ^ see the bot
[06:08] <hornets> histo: yep.. but like torn said
[06:08] <hornets> it could be a little tricky.
[06:08] <Michael_> I have a copy of the beta client Windows 7 on VirtualBox OSE and I can't transfer my sound device to it
[06:08] <mralexandro> kevdog, sorry:) you said i need all dev pacakges, i have some in synaptics below 5.xx do i need them as well like liblua 40dev
[06:08] <hornets> using vbox would be much easier.
[06:09] <Newbuntu2> i have a 8.10 liveUSB. Is there an easy way to use it to install 9.04?
[06:09] <histo> hornets: yes, is there a reason you need 2007 though vs. oo
[06:09] <Newbuntu2> or do I need to recreate my liveusb>
[06:09] <torn> I don't understand how Linux Mint is able to distribute its OS, preinstalled with proprietary sofware and codecs, yet Ubuntu and other distros, such as openSUSE, are too afraid to do so? What does Linux Mint have that all the others do not have?
[06:09] <histo> Newbuntu2: you want to install 9.04 on live usb?
[06:09] <Madpilot> torn, too small to sue?
[06:09] <torn> LOL
[06:09] <histo> Newbuntu2: or install 9.04 to hd?
[06:09] <Newbuntu2> histo: to a blank HD
[06:10] <hornets> lol
[06:10] <kevdog> mralexandro -- I usually in the case of higher or lower versions -- just pick the most recent -- so in your case liblua50dev will do without the 40dev.  I can confirm this as my machine is happily compiling the source code right now as we speak
[06:10] <histo> !install | Newbuntu2
[06:10] <torn> Madpilot, so does that mean Mint is forcing itself to stay unpopular?
[06:10] <Madpilot> torn, I'm not really kidding, either. Canonical/Redhat/etc are all actual companies, Mint AFAIK is a couple of folks in their spare time
[06:10] <torn> Madpilot, that's true.  I used to be an Opera user, but I haven't used it for over a year.
[06:11] <Madpilot> torn, non-tech support chat should be in #ubuntu-offtopic, however
[06:12] <_TJ> torn join that
[06:12] <kevdog> mralexandro:  Well if you have never compiled anything before this is the best place to learn.  You can use synaptic to search for packages or the trusty sudo apt-cache search <sounds like package name>  command line tool.  :p
[06:12] <torn> Madpilot, I know. That's why I stopped myself.
[06:12] <chalcedny> Madpilot, my 64 bit firefox wouldn't work with flash (or so i thought)
[06:12] <hornets> ok, just one more question, anyone here use NFS?
[06:12] <hornets> :p
[06:12] <kermit> hornets: yes
[06:13] <Madpilot> chalcedny, no idea, I'm still stuck in the 32bit Jurassic myself...
[06:13] <hornets> kermit: is it possible to make a script, or a cron.. to automatically mount the remote partition?
[06:13] <hornets> for example, my server get's rebooted
[06:13] <hornets> or maybe a black out
[06:13] <chalcedny> the flash test still says i need to get the newest version of adobe flash player
[06:13] <kermit> hornets: if its already mounted it'll stay mounted.  if you want it mounted at boot, put it in /etc/fstab (man fstab)
[06:13] <chalcedny> Madpilot, i did tht
[06:13] <chalcedny> that
[06:14] <innomen> ok i need help installing blueman, i have added the launch pad ppa source and it's key but blueman is still not showing up in synaptic
[06:14] <kermit> hornets: at least thats the old school way, there might be a fancy new ubuntu GUI way
[06:14] <hornets> kermit I use the fstab
[06:14] <hornets> but there's a problem
[06:14] <innomen> https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueman/+archive/ppa
[06:14] <innomen> what am i doing wrong?
[06:14] <Madpilot> chalcedny, try installing flash thru the repositories instead of via the website download?
[06:14] <hornets> If I turn on first my computer, and then my home server.
[06:14] <mralexandro> kevdog, good to know, but the sdl i just added some plugins there(guessed) but they have a webpage with a rpm install file. could i install that rpm file without trouble
[06:14] <Celroc> I'm sorry for the somewhat off-topic post, but will Crossover/WINE work on a AMD processor machine (in this case, a quad core)? I asked in the Crossover channel, but didn't get a reply
[06:15] <hornets> the NFS don't mount the partition.
[06:15] <chalcedny> hmmm
[06:15] <kermit> hornets: true, but once its mounted it wont unmount if you turn off the other computer
[06:15] <syntax> if you lock your self out of the login screen is there a way to pass it
[06:15] <chalcedny> why would where you got it, make a difference? Madpilot
[06:15] <histo> Celroc: yes
[06:15] <kermit> hornets: but you could just put it in a crontab
[06:15] <Celroc> histo: Thanks
[06:15] <kevdog> mralexandro: no idea what you are talking about
[06:16] <mralexandro> kevdog, http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php
[06:16] <histo> Celroc: I can vouge fro wine working
[06:16] <Madpilot> chalcedny, it could, either way. But like I said, I don't run 64bit, and I haven't used the latest version of Opera
[06:16] <hornets> let me get the error message.
[06:16] <chalcedny> tried this time on firefox
[06:16] <Celroc> histo: Cool. If WINE works, the Crossover probably will work. Thanks :-)
[06:16] <chalcedny> i'll see if opera has better luck
[06:16] <innomen> this is very strange
[06:16] <JoeSomebody> help, i got a bitdefender free key because i have many drives, i cannot find the proper place to download a linux version to use that key, should be easy, NOT, ready to try avira or soemthing
[06:16] <histo> Celroc: I believe crossover has support since its a paid app
[06:17] <JoeSomebody> recommendations?
[06:17] <kevdog> mralexandro: hold on for a minute
[06:17] <bucky> mralexandro, what do you need ?  libsdl1.2-dev ?
[06:17] <andresmh> how can I start an application and make it so that it's window shows up on a specific workspace?
[06:17] <Celroc> histo: Thanks. I didn't know if the "x86 processor" requirement included AMD quad cores
[06:18] <chalcedny> Madpilot, appears it works on opera .. what's shockwave player?
[06:18] <Madpilot> chalcedny, like flash, but not quite. I'm not sure, TBH
[06:18] <mralexandro> bucky, well to be completely honest i am not sure, but i do believe i need it yes. i am learning to compile:)
[06:18] <histo> Celroc: yes it pretty much works on everything i've thrown at it cpu wise
[06:18] <Newbuntu2> how do I install a different version of ubuntu than the one which is on my live USB?
[06:18] <Celroc> histo: Awesome. Thanks!
[06:18] <chalcedny> guess i'll google then Madpilot :)
[06:19] <kevdog> What's wrong with the libsdl1.2-dev package?
[06:19] <histo> Newbuntu2: you can use the netinstaller and download the linux and initrd.img
[06:19] <hornets> kermit: heh, do you know where is stored NFS logs?
[06:19] <kevdog> mralexandro: What's wrong with the libsdl1.2-dev package?
[06:19] <mralexandro> kevdog, i have it?
[06:19] <mralexandro> ops
[06:19] <mralexandro> (embarrased)
[06:20] <indus> good morning
[06:21] <chalcedny> greetings Indus :)
[06:21] <indus> greetings
[06:22] <indus> could u tell me how to register nick
[06:22] <kevdog> mralexandro: Im out for today -- if you need more help just post in the forums -- also two commands you really need to get used to using are the sudo aptitude search <sounds like package name> and sudo apt-cache search <sounds like package name>.  The first command I usually run like this:  sudo aptitude search <sounds like package name> | grep ^i  -- This shows you currently installed packages
[06:22] <Prodego> indus: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[06:22] <indus> thank you
[06:23] <newser> anyone knows when is the next ubuntu distribution being released?
[06:23] <andresmh_> how does #ubuntu at freenode is different from this channel? (not trolling, seriously curious)
[06:23] <histo> !karmic | newser
[06:23] <andresmh_> ah, it's the same
[06:23] <andresmh_> doh
[06:23] <kevdog> mralexandro: sudo apt-cache search <sounds like package name> Gives you packages in the repositories that are related to what you are searching for.  So for example I just search sudo apt-cache search libsdl --- and a lot of packages were shown.  I skimmed the list to find libsdl1.2-dev
[06:24] <mralexandro> kevdog, serriously thanks man!:)
[06:24] <mralexandro> have a good night
[06:25] <mralexandro> kevdog, but after i got all
[06:25] <mralexandro> i write .autogen.sh?
[06:25] <mralexandro> then .configure
[06:25] <mralexandro> then .make
[06:25] <mralexandro> and last .make install?
[06:25] <kevdog> mralexandro: One last bummer -- The make failed -- /src/video/movie.cpp 306: error: strstr was not decared in this scope --- Oops -- sounds like time to write the developers
[06:25] <mralexandro> kevdog, oh:/
[06:26] <InDuS> ARENT nnicks case sensitive?
[06:27] <mralexandro> kevdog, should i try a earlier release?
[06:28] <bucky> mralexandro, which version is this?
[06:28] <InDuS> hi folks ,greetings from now registered nickname
[06:28] <InDuS> InDuS:
[06:28] <mralexandro> bucky,  2.2.4
[06:28] <bucky> stratagus ?
[06:29] <mralexandro> bucky, yes:)
[06:29] <InDuS> Prodego: thanks, got it
[06:29] <InDuS> chalcedny: hello
[06:29] <error404notfound> how can i show my cam in a call in skype? its there in options but i cant seem to find where to enable it in a chat
[06:29] <chalcedny> :)
[06:29] <bucky> mralexandro, it needs a patch for newer compiler compatibility http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=858
[06:30] <chalcedny> InDuS, congrats :)
[06:30] <anom01y> !ivtv
[06:30] <InDuS> error404notfound: go to options>video devices
[06:30] <Commie_Cary> I tryed killing one of my processes
[06:30] <Commie_Cary> but it wont work
[06:30] <anom01y> I need ivtv for Jaunty is there such a thing ???
[06:30] <error404notfound> InDuS, aaah, okay :D
[06:30] <InDuS> !info ivtv
[06:30] <ubuntunewbie> hi everyone , I ran to a problem converting .rpm to deb where it said I need " Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts."
[06:30] <Commie_Cary> I tryed killing one of my processes but it wont work
[06:31] <InDuS> Commie_Cary: its immortal probably
[06:31] <Alexia> Is the ubuntu-desktop package necessary
[06:31] <vince> Ok I am back, Was able to install the driver from Nvidia's website however it still will now load in the .30 kernel
[06:31] <ubuntunewbie> Thank you , hope someone can tell me what is " Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts."
[06:32] <mralexandro> bucky, i download now. where do i put it?
[06:32] <histo> anom01y: there are packages for ivtv in the repos
[06:32] <bucky> mralexandro, movie.cpp.patch ?
[06:32] <histo> !info ivtv
[06:32] <histo> anom01y: I thought there was. What are you trying to get working?
[06:32] <anom01y> histo, I tried them but I don't know how to use it
[06:33] <mralexandro> bucky,  sorry, yes:) thats the one
[06:33] <anom01y> histo, hauppauge pvr 150
[06:33] <anom01y> I can get it to work with v4l2 but its crappy quality video
[06:33] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, use the --script option in your command line.. man alien
[06:33] <vince> Screw it, Im gona try to compile my own darn kernel
[06:33] <InDuS> anom01y: whats the problem?
[06:33] <ubuntunewbie> bucky:yeh I use alien to convert
[06:33] <histo> anom01y: you running jaunty?
[06:33] <ingenioushax> Hello, I'm having some trouble with Xubuntu, it was running fine until I went and got the compiz package and now none of my windows work correctly
[06:33] <anom01y> yes Jaunty
[06:34] <anom01y> I configure v4l2 with vlc player,
[06:34] <anom01y> but when it plays, there are verticle lines running through the video, and the lag is about 2 or 3 seconds
[06:35] <anom01y> is the lag normal ?   and, should I be using v4l2 or ivtv, or both ?
[06:35] <histo> anom01y: I haven't fired up my card for the longest time.
[06:35] <ubuntunewbie> bucky:how do I include the script?
[06:35] <histo> anom01y: the best bet is to ask the mythbuntu guys
[06:36] <histo> anom01y: they would have a lot of experience getting tv cards working etc...
[06:36] <bucky> mralexandro, patch -p1 < movie.cpp.patch might be patch -p0 < movie.cpp.patch
[06:36] <anom01y> nice
[06:36] <anom01y> thanks
[06:36] <histo> anom01y: #mythbuntu or www.mythbuntu.org
[06:36] <siswa> hy
[06:36] <ingenioushax> anyone available to help me?
[06:36] <histo> anom01y: or searcing the forums
[06:37] <anom01y> thanks histo
[06:37] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, alien --script <name.rpm>
[06:37] <histo> anom01y: np
[06:38] <x802> how to ask dhcp server to give me another ip? don't want to renew current ip.
[06:38] <hornets> Windows XP Professional SP2 - Corporate - STRIPPED TO THE BONE EDITION might do the trick
[06:38] <hornets> lol
[06:38] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: how do i insert the scipt into rpm file ?
[06:39] <vince> Anyone have any idea how to get an NVIDIA driver in the 2.6.30 Kernel?  I've attempted to load from the Hardware Drivers Menu, And I've attempted to install NVIDIA's own driver.  Both instill successfully but X crashes on start saying there is no driver and reverts me to low graphics mode
[06:39] <vince> PLEASE HELP!
[06:39] <Alexia> x802,  isnt that an oxymoron?
[06:39] <ingenioushax> How do I remove the compiz package, I have run "sudo apt-get remove compiz" and it remains, and it seems to be the issue with my windows.
[06:39] <Alexia> x802, do you mean you need the dhcp server to resend you the same ip you have now?
[06:40] <x802> Alexia, my local router. on 192.168.x.x. i want to ask for new ip
[06:40] <madhu_> kevdog. hi .i am using 9.04. how to open .chm file with this one
[06:41] <noiz777> anyone knows if i can messure the bandwidth being used at my router?
[06:41] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: I am installing a printer driver which I downloaded it as .rpm , when I convert it said I need a script.I found I need to include the script at the last 9th post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=592685
[06:41] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: sorry I really new to ubuntu
[06:41] <bucky> letsee
[06:41] <Alexia> madhu_, sudo apt-get install gnochm
[06:42] <nnull> noiz777, if you have telnet to it you can just ifconfig and monitor your tx send/recieved, info should also be in your http config for it..
[06:42] <baldrick> ubuntu 9.04 : Skype : Low microphone audio. Any advice
[06:43] <noiz777> nnull, thanks, is it possible to see how much each computer is consuming?
[06:43] <mralexandro> bucky, could you please tell me more spesific how i place and apply the patch. do i autogen.sh configure make make install then apply patch
[06:43] <maximo> just lost my cell lol
[06:43] <bastidrazor> vince, don't use the .30 kernel till karmic.. ?
[06:43] <sub[t]rnl> ingenioushax: do you get any errors when running sudo apt-get remove?
[06:43] <vince> bastidrazor: Fine, Can you tell me how to disable IPv6 in Kernel .28?
[06:44] <bastidrazor> vince, don't have a clue.
[06:44] <bucky> mralexandro, google for how to apply a patch
[06:44] <vince> Cause everything I find dosen't work until .29 or better.   :D
[06:46] <ikonia> vince: tha'ts not appropriate
[06:46] <vince> Flannel I've been over that document 100 times, Everything in there either works only on 8.10
[06:47] <vince> or only works on 9.04 with the newer kernels
[06:47] <madhu_> alexia, thanx, should we install knochm
[06:47] <nnull> noiz777, yeah its possible: couple of options for that would be: setup a dedicated server on your lan with client monitoring software, or install a custom firmware on your router, or write your own scripts to do it --in order of difficulty/risk :)
[06:47] <vince> ikonia : Tell me why thats not appropriate?
[06:47] <bastidrazor> vince,  then use 8.10 till 9.10 comes out?
[06:47] <anom01y> !mythbuntu
[06:48] <syn-ack> Does anyone know if I can use apt_preferences to completely blacklist a package regardless of version
[06:48] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, do you have a pixma ip2500 ?
[06:48] <alexyk> hey guys -- where do I get Java for UNR, with icons and all?
[06:48] <ikonia> vince: your comments about the desktop
[06:48] <alexyk> i.e. is there a .deb with Sun's Java?
[06:48] <ikonia> alexyk: it's in the package repo
[06:48] <ikonia> !java > alexyk
[06:48] <xangua> !jre
[06:48] <dreamcage> ikonia, do you think he is not polite?
[06:49] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: yes ,I am using pixma ip2500 printer.I can't find thedriver anywhere
[06:49] <vince> ikonia: Seriously?   They either knew about the issue and didn't care, or didn't bother to check because there are literally thousands of results in Google documenting the issue.  Either scenario is simply inexcusable and I have had to fight this battle on EVERY computer I have installe
[06:49] <vince> d Ubuntu on
[06:49] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: the only option is to go to ubuntu forum , and I can';t even understand what I should do to install the driver.The guiding at ubuntu forum is complicated
[06:49] <noiz777> nnull haha ohh well i thought it could be easier, dont know much about routers, im actually having a hard time to see if i can access it through telnet hahaha
[06:49] <ikonia> vince: - then just contontrol your language in your comments if you're not trying to be a jerk, "seriously"
[06:50] <anom01y> !mythtv
[06:50] <jgornick> Hey guys, quick question.  I'm interested in starting my IRC bot (supybot) automatically when my machine starts.  Any ideas on the best way to do this?
[06:50] <mralexandro> bucky, download the package build on that link you gave me. terminal to cd /stratagus folder. then execute PKGBUILD ?
[06:50] <ikonia> jgornick: an init script ?
[06:50] <jgornick> ikonia, Is there a dummies guide to creating an init script?
[06:51] <ikonia> !boot > jgornick
[06:51] <ikonia> !upstart > jgornick
[06:51] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersCanon  the 5200 works and i'd try that driver first
[06:51] <dreamcage> i agree with my back part that ubuntuu is not that good
[06:51] <ikonia> dreamcage: don't use it then, or log bugs to improve it
[06:52] <jgornick> Funny, ubottu is a supybot :)
[06:52] <vince> ikonia: Ok fine how about this statement then, To say Ubuntu is ready for the desktop is a gross misrepresentation when the DEV team apparently can't even build a networking stack right or listen to their users issues as evidenced by aformentioned google searches.  There now that I took the one objectionable word out do you actualy have a comment to the issue at hand or do you just want to be room police?
[06:52] <sub[t]rnl> jgornick: check out /etc/init.d/skeleton.  Don't forget to update.rc the new script
[06:52] <ikonia> vince: how about don't moan or use language in a support channel, and log bugs to aid it to get better
[06:52] <bazhang> vince, file a bug then
[06:52] <dreamcage> that's the best way to do it but ive got live instead doing it
[06:53] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: Really ????? I wnet to the website but I still can't find ip2500. Ok will try it now.Will Report back :D
[06:53] <ikonia> dreamcage: check out launchpad.net
[06:53] <vince> [Bug 352841] Re: SCP over IPv6 address is very Slow. Takes Hours
[06:53] <ikonia> vince: progress it forward
[06:54] <Myrtti> vince: "this bug affects me too"
[06:54] <dreamcage> after all ikonia is right too... i mean if we dont like it... go home windows has a free call to solve ours problems
[06:54] <error404notfound> can i setup my own file transfer proxy like proxy.jabber.org for my local jabber setup?
[06:55] <ikonia> error404notfound: squid would work fine
[06:55] <InDuS> anom01y: use tvtime
[06:56] <InDuS> anom01y: myth tv is silly really
[06:56] <error404notfound> ikonia, so there is nothing special about proxy.jabber.org?
[06:56] <mralexandro> bucky, patch -p0 /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/movie.cpp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch   ?
[06:56] <anom01y> tvtime
[06:56] <anom01y> !tvtime
[06:56] <ikonia> error404notfound: not that I'm aware of
[06:56] <InDuS> !info tvtime
[06:56] <error404notfound> ikonia, i see... thanks
[06:56] <cornet> vince: hang on i'm confused here - are you implying this is affecting your ipv4 stack as well ?
[06:56] <ikonia> error404notfound: you could also look at the socks5 product
[06:56] <InDuS> anom01y: setting up a 'database' to watch tv lol really
[06:57] <Jaha> meow
[06:57] <error404notfound> ikonia, hmm, okay running google
[06:57] <InDuS> anom01y: mythtv is way too complicated
[06:57] <ikonia> error404notfound: socks5 as a server is a little old now and not maintained as good as it should/was
[06:57] <InDuS> anom01y: also tvtime interface is delightfully simple
[06:58] <anom01y> InDuS, , will tvtime use ivtv ?
[06:58] <error404notfound> ikonia, hmmm, okay
[06:58] <InDuS> anom01y: yeah you need to tell me whats ivtv
[06:58] <mralexandro> bucky, can i use a pkgbuild or should i do the patch -p0 /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/movie.cpp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch
[06:58] <anom01y> well its for a hauppauge pvr 150
[06:58] <bucky> mralexandro, cd  /usr/local/src/  && patch -p0 < movie.cpp.patch
[06:58] <anom01y> I guess
[06:58] <histo> InDuS: kernel drivers for his card
[06:58] <InDuS> anom01y: is it a driver?
[06:58] <mralexandro> :)
[06:58] <mralexandro> ok
[06:58] <histo> !ivtv-utils
[06:58] <anom01y> yes
[06:58] <InDuS> anom01y: your card should be supported out of the box
[06:58] <mralexandro> bucky thanks!:D
[06:59] <histo> !info ivtv-utils
[06:59] <anom01y> ok
[06:59] <InDuS> anom01y: did u check dmesg?
[06:59] <bucky> mralexandro, that's not going to work
[07:00] <anom01y> well when I installed mythtv-control-center, I configured some program now I don't need it.,
[07:00] <mralexandro> bucky,  what?
[07:00] <histo> anom01y: you can easily remove it
[07:00] <bucky> mralexandro, cd /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video && patch -p0 ../../movie.cpp.patch
[07:00] <histo> anom01y: apt-get remove mythtv-control-center or use synaptic package manager
[07:00] <InDuS> anom01y: stay away from mythtv unless u want to record stuff
[07:01] <bucky> mralexandro, cd /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video && patch -p0 < ../../movie.cpp.patch
[07:01] <InDuS> anom01y: or wnt to set up that media center thingy
[07:01] <bucky> mralexandro, forgot the <
[07:01] <Dayofswords> =\ two more months til 9.10
[07:01] <InDuS> anom01y: isnt you tv card being detected?
[07:01] <Kapace> hello, where can i learn about the .. things .. in System\Authorizations?
[07:01] <anom01y> Inc`,
[07:01] <anom01y> InDuS,
[07:01] <anom01y> yes it is
[07:01] <InDuS> anom01y: and?
[07:02] <InDuS> anom01y: not tuning?
[07:02] <locke_> hello, world
[07:02] <anom01y> InDuS, one sec
[07:03] <Kapace> hello, locke
[07:03] <anom01y> just cleaning the mess mythtv made
[07:03] <InDuS> anom01y: it needs mysql for setup
[07:03] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: not working
[07:03] <InDuS> anom01y: its funny really
[07:04] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, did you install the gutenburg driver package
[07:04] <anom01y> InDuS, ok I ran tvtime, and it says (in a big blue box), ivtv: invalid argument
[07:04] <anom01y> cannot open capture device /dev/video0
[07:04] <InDuS> anom01y: right click and do some stuff
[07:04] <InDuS> anom01y: ya thats ok
[07:04] <anom01y> I think I need ivtv
[07:05] <InDuS> anom01y: i had that too
[07:05] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: I am using ip2500
[07:05] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, are you using jaunty
[07:05] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: using hardy
[07:05] <InDuS> anom01y: do this tvtime --device=/dev/video1
[07:05] <mralexandro> bucky, cd /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video && patch -p0 < usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/movie.cpp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch  ?
[07:05] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: gutenburg??? what's that ?
[07:06] <anom01y> InDuS, no such device /dev/video1
[07:06] <InDuS> anom01y: ok
[07:06] <InDuS> anom01y: install ivtv-utils
[07:06] <InDuS> anom01y: type gstreamer-properties in terminal , check in video input
[07:07] <mralexandro> bucky,  why not just "patch -p0 < usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/movie.cpp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch"
[07:07] <anom01y> ok
[07:07] <InDuS> anom01y: can i please see your dmesg
[07:07] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, i'd try this driver deb like it said on that supported hardware page for the 3500.. if it doesn't work you can always apt-get remove it
[07:07] <bucky> http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100083501.html
[07:08] <bucky> mralexandro, sounds good
[07:08] <InDuS> anom01y: do u get someting about video source etc on tvtime window?
[07:08] <anom01y> yes
[07:08] <InDuS> anom01y: can i see a screenshot
[07:08] <InDuS> !paste | anom01y
[07:08] <bucky> mralexandro, just get it to patch with no errors...
[07:08] <InDuS> please paste dmesg also
[07:09] <mralexandro> bucky,  ok:) thanks. trying to learn your language:)
[07:09] <bucky> mralexandro, man patch
[07:10] <Alexia> ubotto, Are you human?
[07:10] <Alexia> lol
[07:10] <histo> Alexia: no its a bot
[07:10] <anom01y> one sec
[07:10] <anom01y> output to big
[07:10] <histo> !botsnack
[07:10] <u0606465> hi
[07:10] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: I really dont understand , how to remove printer driver?
[07:10] <Alexia> histo, I know i wanted to see if it had any funny responses builtin
[07:10] <u0606465> i need some help pertaining to playing videos online
[07:11] <u0606465> can some one help
[07:11] <histo> u0606465: flash videos?
[07:11] <u0606465> yes
[07:11] <histo> u0606465: okay whats the problem?
[07:11] <anom01y> http://pastebin.com/m44e0d3fc
[07:11] <u0606465> i tried many of the suggested method but cannot play any of the flash videos
[07:11] <Myrtti> Alexia: do that in a private message with it
[07:11] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, download that deb  sudo dpkg -i <driver_name.deb>
[07:11] <histo> u0606465: did you install the flash plugin from the repos?
[07:11] <histo> !flash | u0606465
[07:12] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, if it doesn't work sudo dpkg -r <driver_name>
[07:12] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: ok , I am trying this again http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0027215.asp
[07:12] <Alexia> Myrtti, do what with what?
[07:12] <mralexandro> bucky, patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
[07:13] <bucky> ubuntunewbie, http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100083501.html  scroll to the bottom of the page and click download
[07:14] <anom01y> InDuS, http://pastebin.com/m441f00a2
[07:14] <anom01y> InDuS, http://pastebin.com/m44e0d3fc <-- dmesg
[07:14] <losher> anom01y: the ivtv bit looks ok...
[07:14] <bucky> mralexandro, cp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch  usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/
[07:15] <bucky> mralexandro, cp /usr/local/src/movie.cpp.patch  /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/
[07:15] <anom01y> how do I test itvt ?
[07:15] <anom01y> ivtv
[07:15] <Myrtti> Alexia: to investigate the bot
[07:15] <InDuS> anom01y: ya so u see, ivtv is built in to kernel no need to install
[07:15] <InDuS> anom01y: your card is detected fine
[07:15] <anom01y> ok, ok..
[07:15] <bucky> mralexandro, cd /usr/local/src/stratagus-2.2.4/video/  ls  is the patch there?
[07:15] <anom01y> I will get a screenshot
[07:15] <losher> anom01y: I usually do mplayer /dev/video0 and see if there's video...
[07:16] <InDuS> anom01y: is it a wintv pvr 50?
[07:16] <anom01y> wintv pvr 150
[07:16] <InDuS> exactly
[07:16] <InDuS> dont worry it will work fine, some /dev/video issues, i too had them
[07:16] <anom01y> mplayer /dev/video0 gives me a bunch of snow and fuzz
[07:16] <anom01y> like a tv with the cable unplugged (old tv)
[07:16] <bucky> mralexandro, patch -p0 < movie.cpp.patch
[07:17] <InDuS> anom01y: do  a ls -l /dev/video*
[07:17] <histo> anom01y: you have to tell it to be on a certain channel before /dev/video0 looks like a channel.
[07:17] <InDuS> anom01y: open tvtime and go to channel configuration
[07:17] <anom01y> http://pastebin.com/m44e0d3fc
[07:17] <anom01y> er
[07:17] <anom01y> sorry
[07:17] <anom01y> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 2009-08-24 21:33 /dev/video0
[07:17] <anom01y> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 3 2009-08-24 21:33 /dev/video24
[07:17] <anom01y> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 1 2009-08-24 21:33 /dev/video32
[07:17] <FloodBot2> anom01y: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:17] <InDuS> anom01y: :)
[07:18] <anom01y> oops
[07:18] <losher> anom01y: actually that static is a good sign. If it was broken you'd get 'cannot read device' or some such message...
[07:18] <mralexandro> bucky, that worked!
[07:18] <InDuS> anom01y: ya its good sign
[07:18] <mralexandro> now i can go on normal again yes?
[07:18] <anom01y> I think I need to change the channel its configured to the wrong one
[07:18] <anom01y> (or input)
[07:18] <InDuS> anom01y: goto channel config and select country from tv frequency
[07:19] <anom01y> InDuS, in tvtime ?
[07:19] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: downloaded and click the .deb but it said : "Error:Dependency is not satisfiable : cnijfilter-common"
[07:19] <InDuS> anom01y: yeah
[07:19] <InDuS> anom01y: right click >channel config> tv frequency or something> run your country scanner
[07:20] <InDuS> losher: what i have noticed is> linux generally gives those /dev/video errors until you run some application, i didnt have /video in /dev until i used tvtime etc
[07:20] <InDuS> neither video0 or video1
[07:21] <InDuS> for me video0 is webcam so i need to point tvtime to video 1
[07:21] <anom01y> there is no channel config in tvtime
[07:21] <anom01y> maybe a command line arg ?
[07:21] <InDuS> anom01y: no
[07:21] <InDuS> anom01y: right click u see channel configuration option?
[07:21] <losher> InDuS: can't say I noticed that, but I'm running mythtv on 8.04 LTS so it may not behave the same...
[07:22] <InDuS> losher: baah mythtv silly app
[07:22] <anom01y> no, no channel config
[07:22] <InDuS> anom01y: what options do u see
[07:22] <InDuS> anom01y: channel management?
[07:22] <anom01y> input config
[07:22] <anom01y> picture settings
[07:22] <anom01y> video processing
[07:22] <anom01y> output config
[07:22] <anom01y> exit
[07:22] <FloodBot2> anom01y: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:22] <InDuS> anom01y: ok input
[07:23] <InDuS> anom01y: whats in there , make sure you select television or something
[07:23] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: any help ? :(
[07:23] <anom01y> I went through all options, there is nothing
[07:24] <InDuS> anom01y:can i see the screenshot
[07:24] <anom01y> sure
[07:25] <anom01y> InDuS, port forwarding ?
[07:25] <InDuS> anom01y: what?
[07:25] <InDuS> anom01y: i want a screenshot of the tvtime window
[07:25] <anom01y> I offered you the screenshot
[07:25] <InDuS> where
[07:26] <anom01y> I will re-do it
[07:26] <InDuS> anom01y: both were dmesg
[07:27] <anom01y> oh, sorry I was right-clicing your name and sending a file that way
[07:27] <anom01y> is there a website I can poste the pic on ?
[07:27] <losher> InDuS: is there some app you prefer to mythtv?
[07:27] <kindofabuzz> hundreds
[07:27] <arquebus> anom01y: http://imageshack.us/
[07:28] <anom01y> http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1173/screenshot2b.png
[07:28] <histo> anom01y: I thought pastebin could handle screenshots as well
[07:29] <InDuS> anom01y: image bin
[07:29] <InDuS> anom01y: ok for now close this and do a sudo tvtime from terminal
[07:29] <InDuS> anom01y: cos right now i see that it says cannot oepn /dev/video0
[07:30] <anom01y> well the sudo tvtime gives me the same thing as non sudo
[07:30] <anom01y> can't open /dev/video0
[07:30] <anom01y> but mplayer /dev/video0 gives me the snow and fuzz
[07:30] <histo> InDuS: is his user maybe not part of the proper group?
[07:30] <anom01y> with scratchy audio
[07:31] <histo> InDuS: nvm thats not it.
[07:31] <InDuS> histo: ya i read that nonsense somewhere, but when i restarted pc my problem went away
[07:31] <InDuS> histo: its possible
[07:31] <histo> InDuS: not if sudo isn't working either
[07:31] <InDuS> histo: you might be right,but its too complicated to explain
[07:31] <InDuS> histo: hmm
[07:31] <InDuS> anom01y: ok type /dev and keep pressing tab
[07:31] <histo> anom01y: /dev/video0 is going to show static untill you set the tuner to the proper channel
[07:32] <InDuS> anom01y: do u see a /video0 there?
[07:32] <histo> anom01y: is the card hooked up to antenna or cable box?
[07:32] <anom01y> no video0 there
[07:32] <InDuS> anom01y: aah no, it should not give error
[07:32] <anom01y> there is v4l
[07:32] <InDuS> anom01y: ok in a terminal type gstreamer-properties
[07:33] <anom01y> alright that is open
[07:33] <mralexandro> i just "compiled" stratagus, and excecuted make depend && make and got it doing  this down a thousand lines http://pastebin.com/d45e92757
[07:33] <mralexandro> i am confused now, did it or did it not go?
[07:33] <InDuS> anom01y: go to video input and select v4l2 and select your device
[07:33] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: warnings are fine
[07:34] <boss_mc> mralexandro: sounds like it built fine
[07:34] <anom01y> ok thats done, there is three hauppauge win pvr 150's there
[07:34] <mralexandro> ActionParsnip, really? they look so brutal:)
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: if you run: sudo make install and the copy steps are ok then the compile steps succeeded
[07:34] <InDuS> anom01y: 3? hmm funny
[07:34] <anom01y> I just picked one of them
[07:34] <InDuS> anom01y: ok test input now
[07:35] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: depends really but tey look harmless enough, you should tell the developer you got those outputs
[07:35] <boss_mc> mralexandro: the most common of them 'warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’' is a warning that only exists in newer versions of gcc
[07:35] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: dont use pastebin to tell them as the paste will eventually expire
[07:35] <anom01y> InDuS, ok
[07:35] <mralexandro> ActionParsnip, cool, i am way over my head now, will email him the text then:)
[07:35] <anom01y> the three in there changed in the pipeline field video0 to video24, and then video32
[07:36] <InDuS> anom01y: hmm video24
[07:36] <InDuS> anom01y: thats interesting
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: you'll never learn unless you try something new and scary
[07:36] <anom01y> all of them give me an error when testing video input, error msg "could not negotiate format"
[07:36] <InDuS> anom01y: ok
[07:36] <anom01y> video 4 linux 2 (v4l2): could not negotiate format
[07:37] <InDuS> anom01y: ok which version of ubuntu is this
[07:37] <anom01y> how do I get rid of /dev/video24, and /dev/video32 ?
[07:37] <anom01y> InDuS, Jaunty
[07:37] <InDuS> anom01y: no need, just leave it there
[07:37] <ntiy> hi all. does anyone know how to make fortran code wait until any key is pressed?
[07:37] <ntiy> somth like getch() in plain C
[07:38] <anom01y> when I change "plugin" to "test input" and then hit test, I get a screen with a bunch of verticle colored lines, and a small screen in the corner of that with the fuzz
[07:38] <InDuS> anom01y: please reboot system once with all updates
[07:38] <anom01y> hold up for a screenshot
[07:38] <anom01y> I will reboot
[07:38] <anom01y> one sec
[07:39] <poyntz> I really don't want to install pidgin, how do I stop it coming up in the repo?
[07:39] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: it will always show up in searches
[07:40] <ntiy> sudo apt-get remove pidgin ??
[07:40] <ActionParsnip> ntiy: this is ubuntu support, not fortran, try #fortran or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:40] <kindofabuzz> when getting large files via ftp from my server, the speed declines the whole time. starts fast ends slow. any way to fix this? or is this normal?
[07:40] <poyntz> ntiy: I don't have pidgin installed. I'm saying that when I do a apt-get update, it suggests I installed it
[07:40] <ntiy> yea, I know that. just taking a chance. those guys a usually slow.
[07:40] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: so there's no way I could apt-get update -pidget
[07:41] <poyntz> ntiy: no worries. thanks anyhow :P
[07:42] <anom01y> k Im back
[07:42] <anom01y> InDuS, tvtime gives me same prob
[07:42] <InDuS> anom01y: wait
[07:43] <InDuS> anom01y: go to system>admin>users and groups
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: you can just upgrade pidgin if you like with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall pidgin
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: what are you wanting to achieve?
[07:43] <InDuS> anom01y: once that /dev/video is created your problem is solved
[07:43] <anom01y> ok Im in the groups and users
[07:44] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: I'm trying to get pidgen-data to disappear from apt-get update / update manager
[07:44] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:44] <InDuS> anom01y: go to manage groups and see if u have a group called video
[07:44] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:44] <Phaux> Anyone know how to turn off the option to switch workspaces with the scroll button on a mouse in an empty area?
[07:44] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:44] <poyntz> !spam | rikki_max
[07:44] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:44] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:44] <anom01y> InDuS, no video
[07:44] <InDuS> rikki_max: whats the problem loler?
[07:45] <rikki_max> sry was testing something on another network
[07:45] <poyntz> lol
[07:45] <rikki_max> LOL
[07:45] <anom01y> create it
[07:45] <Myrtti> and almost getting banned
[07:45] <anom01y> ?
[07:45] <rikki_max> i removed it now
[07:45] <InDuS> anom01y: yea probably
[07:45]  * poyntz wonders what LOL spam could ever hope to achieve
[07:45] <jgornick> In Ubuntu, can you have a group and user of the same name?
[07:45] <InDuS> anom01y: ok create 1 named video
[07:45] <ubuntunewbie> bucky: any help ? :(
[07:46] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: also trying to get rid of those lib-purple, etc updates
[07:46] <anom01y> ok thats done
[07:46] <anom01y> reboot
[07:46] <anom01y> ?
[07:46] <InDuS> anom01y: no no
[07:46] <InDuS> anom01y: no need to
[07:46] <anom01y> ok
[07:46] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: I don't need it. I have bitlbee and it doesn't everything I need
[07:46] <InDuS> anom01y: do u have a webcam?
[07:46] <anom01y> yeah
[07:46] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: *does
[07:47] <InDuS> anom01y: where is it? which device node
[07:47] <anom01y> It was working with /dev/video1 when I plugged it in
[07:47] <InDuS> anom01y: exactly
[07:47] <_TJ> wow... feels weird to be back on ubuntu
[07:47] <InDuS> anom01y: plug it in please
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: so why are you asking of pidgin?
[07:47] <anom01y> /dev/video0 has always been my pvr (when it used to work)
[07:47] <InDuS> anom01y: it used to work? when
[07:47] <histo> What is the proper way to specify a video driver in jaunty for xorg?
[07:47] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: nothing to do with pidgin (or atleast I don't think it does). It's to do with update manager and apt-get update
[07:48] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: basically I want to eliminate the pidgin install suggestion from the repository
[07:48] <histo> Is there some magical trick other than xorg.conf that the restricted manager is using?
[07:48] <InDuS> anom01y: try this sudo mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
[07:48] <anom01y> way back in ubuntu 8.04 (years ago)
[07:48] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: I hate having to install stuff and then delete it, just because I can't get it out of the repo
[07:48] <poyntz> anom01y: hey, i had 8.04 :P
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: you may be able to blacklist it but I'm not sure. If you do not want it installing as part of a standard install you can remaster the CD
[07:49] <minsa> it is taking a full 4.5 to 5 seconds from DNS response to TCP/http request ... I can't seem to find the bottleneck...   ping works fine.. very responsive...
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> !mp3
[07:49] <Vero> i'm listening to Cascada with Ready Or Not since 01:11
[07:49] <anom01y> InDuS, /dev/video0 exists ?
[07:49] <minsa> this is making life very miserable now.. any help would be appreciated
[07:49] <InDuS> anom01y: excellent
[07:49] <mralexandro> ActionParsnip, i got stratagus "working" but what excactly am i missing?
[07:49] <losher> anom01y: you know what. Stop messing about in Jaunty and go back to 8.04 LTS. It just works...
[07:49] <InDuS> anom01y: no in terminal type /dev and keep p[ressing tab
[07:49] <cornet> poyntz: what else is it wanting to install/upgrade
[07:50] <InDuS> anom01y: u see the /dev/video0 now?
[07:50] <anom01y> InDuS, there is no video0 in that list
[07:50] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: it's just bizarre. I had it on Hardy, I deleted it. It never bothered me all through Intrepid and now on Jaunty it's bugging me again
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: type its name in a terminal and hit enter
[07:50] <InDuS> anom01y: aah but its somewhere
[07:50] <anom01y> /dev/v4l ?
[07:50] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: as in, update manager keeps asking me to install it
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: maybe its part of a metapackage
[07:50] <Phaux> Anyone know how to turn off the option to switch workspaces with the scroll button on a mouse in an empty area?
[07:50] <InDuS> anom01y: hmm check inside that
[07:50] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: possibly. I could try to blacklist it, like you said. How could I do that?
[07:50] <InDuS> anom01y: if you can find it it will be nice , we could just point to it
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: not sure dude, sorry
[07:50] <InDuS> anom01y: ls -l /dev/video0
[07:51] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: thanks anyhow :)
[07:51] <anom01y> ls /dev/video0 shows it
[07:51] <poyntz> cornet: it wants to install pidgin
[07:51] <InDuS> anom01y: ok wait let me google a little
[07:51] <mralexandro> ActionParsnip, i have to type .startagus -d   that is beacause you have to have games in order to use it
[07:52] <mahmood> i have a question is it possible to have a video call with skype on ubuntu?
[07:52] <ActionParsnip> mralexandro: how do you mean "have to have games"
[07:52] <mahmood> i have a question is it possible to have a video call with skype on ubuntu?
[07:52] <poyntz> cornet: it made me install firefox-3.0 updates when I was on Shiretoko. now it wants me to install pidgin
[07:52] <ActionParsnip> mahmood: sure
[07:52] <mralexandro> ActionParsnip, i can not just enter it in terminal. i have to go into the games folder and type stratagus
[07:52] <mahmood> how could you explain?
[07:52] <mralexandro> its like wine i guess:D
[07:52] <anom01y> InDuS,
[07:52]  * poyntz can't wait till firefox merges with shiretoko as a package
[07:53] <anom01y> I can get it to work with VLC
[07:53] <InDuS> anom01y: really?
[07:53] <anom01y> in capture settings, but I have to change the audio channel to 1 and the video channel to 2
[07:53] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: if you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed it will install firefox 3 and pidgin each update. If you dont have one of those you cannot up to the next release
[07:53] <anom01y> then I have to lower the audio quality dramatically
[07:53] <InDuS> anom01y: iam wondering whether we can make pvr to video1
[07:53] <anom01y> because it'
[07:53] <anom01y> its really choppy,
[07:53] <anom01y> and the video has verticle lines through it
[07:54] <anom01y> wow
[07:54] <anom01y> InDuS,
[07:54] <InDuS> anom01y: yeah
[07:54] <anom01y> no more vericle lines
[07:55] <InDuS> anom01y: hmm
[07:55] <anom01y> looks great
[07:55] <anom01y> in vlc
[07:55] <InDuS> anom01y: really? in vlc it tunes?
[07:55] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: when you say the ubuntu desktop package, do you mean ubuntu desktop as opposed to ubuntu server?
[07:55] <InDuS> anom01y: vlc was always smart in these things
[07:55] <anom01y> InDuS, vlc works great
[07:55] <ActionParsnip> !info ubuntu-server
[07:55] <anom01y> mplayer doesnt tune
[07:56] <InDuS> anom01y: it tunes tv channels?
[07:56] <anom01y> tvtime doesnt do anything
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: ubuntu-server isnt a package
[07:56] <anom01y> yeah
[07:56] <anom01y> I have to set audio to channel 1 and video to channel 2
[07:56] <InDuS> anom01y: tvtime cant get the device node, but its nice for my use
[07:56] <InDuS> anom01y: in your case, tvtime wont see /dev/video0
[07:56] <InDuS> anom01y: or all will work fine
[07:56] <anom01y> looks like vlc is my new best friend
[07:56] <InDuS> anom01y: how come you didnt try vlc before?
[07:56] <c0l2e> i got this error "Gave up waitinng for root device ".... while booting on  pxe to install ubuntu
[07:56] <c0l2e> how can i fix that??
[07:56] <anom01y> just thought of it
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: the ubuntu-desktop metapackage contains pidgin so you will get it each time yuo upgrade and ubuntu-desktop gets reinstalled. The installer will install the package
[07:57] <gogeta> vlc is everyons frend
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: its nothing to do with the server
[07:57] <shashwatpns> how do i increase my video memory
[07:57] <InDuS> anom01y: ya it works too i heard,but i could nt find option to tune channels
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> gogeta: mplayer here, oldest and wisest
[07:57] <InDuS> anom01y: where is that?
[07:57] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: ahhhh. so should I uninstall it? or will that stuff things up?
[07:57] <gogeta> shashwatpns: in your bios new cards do it auto
[07:58] <InDuS> anyone knows what to do if i cant see /dev/video?
[07:58] <xim_> does anyone use ktorrent in jaunty?
[07:58] <SkyNetMaster> hi Im using kyle under gnome, and for some creapy reason couple of wrong spellings words have found then self in my dictionary, I have reinstalled dictionary, but the words are still here. so I guees I need to remove some local file, but which?
[07:58] <cornet> poyntz: personally i'd just deal with the fact it's gonna install pidgin
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: you can remove it but wen you try to jump to the next release you wont be able without installing the metapackage again and therefore pidgin
[07:58] <cornet> poyntz: don't start removing ubuntu-desktop
[07:58] <Ubuntu> gogeta : but how doi do that ?
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> cornet: you can, it is a hollow metapackage
[07:58] <error404notfound> ikonia, i tried with a squid setup, and it didn't work... i input proxy as ip:3128
[07:58] <gogeta> if you have no option to increase your video then its a auto style
[07:59] <poyntz> cornet, ActionParsnip : ok, so what happens if I install pidgin and then uninstall it?
[07:59] <InDuS> anom01y: so which channel are you watching :)
[07:59] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: it will be removed
[07:59] <ubuntunewbie> Which channel of ubuntu specified on printer driver ?
[07:59] <InDuS> ActionParsnip: what will be removed
[07:59] <gogeta> if using a gma serise linux drivers are slow not a thing you can relly do
[07:59] <jgornick> If I have supybot being started as a daemon through an init script, where should I keep all config, data, plugins, etc.. ?  /var/lib/supybot/ or /etc/supybot/?
[07:59] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: hmm. 2072kbs it costs
[07:59] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: actually, come to think of it that's nothing lol
[07:59] <cornet> ActionParsnip: ah
[07:59] <anom01y> arrg
[08:00] <anom01y> InDuS,
[08:00] <InDuS> anom01y: yeah
[08:00] <anom01y> I forgot, there is a lag
[08:00] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: and if I remove it, how much of that 2072kbs will remain?
[08:00] <InDuS> anom01y: well iam trying that dev video thing
[08:00] <anom01y> I was trying to play a game console through it, but the lag is about 1-2 seconds
[08:00] <InDuS> anom01y: game console hmm
[08:00] <ubuntunewbie> Which channel of ubuntu specified on printer driver ?
[08:00] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: true i'm that way too. i have a script to gut ubuntu after a clean install
[08:00] <anom01y> it looks great, but when you press buttons on the controller nothing happens on the screen for about 2 seconds
[08:01] <anom01y> ahh well
[08:01] <anom01y> its good I have it working
[08:01] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: that's awesome. did you write it?
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: sudo apt-get --reinstall install pidgin; sudo apt-get --purge remove pidgin; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[08:01] <anom01y> because I have alot of old conspiracy documentries on vcr that I need to record to the computer
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: yeah. i script everything
[08:01] <gogeta> anom01y: vga cable and a switch no leg then
[08:01] <gogeta> hehe
[08:01] <anom01y> so thats an important priority for me, as you can't get half these documentaries anymore
[08:02] <InDuS> anom01y: i have lots of issues with tvtime on karmic though
[08:02] <Gnea> hrm
[08:02] <xim_> ActionParsnip: funny, i have a script to fatten ubuntu after a clean install
[08:02] <InDuS> anom01y: stops tuning
[08:02] <anom01y> gogeta, yeah I have a vga -> composite, but the output from the console is component
[08:02] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: sweet. one day I might get off my arse and start doing it for myself as well lol.
[08:02] <ActionParsnip> InDuS: if you remove a metapackage, only the metapackage is removed, its contents stand
[08:02] <gogeta> anom01y: get a vga cable for console
[08:02] <Gnea> anom01y: have you tried mythtv?
[08:02] <InDuS> ActionParsnip: hmm devs will let pidgin remain in upgrade
[08:03] <InDuS> nvm
[08:03] <anom01y> Gnea, it sets up servers and databases
[08:03] <anom01y> Im fine with vlc
[08:03] <InDuS> i boycott mythtv
[08:03] <allart> Hi, is there any way how to "restart" keyboard layout settings? I have set two layouts but wwithing between them doesnt work. Even if I have keyboard indicator on panel.
[08:03] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: its just a big lot of apt-get to remove what i never use, like openoffice and gimp. then install good stuff like lxde and flash and java and nvidia drivers. nice and automated
[08:03] <Gnea> anom01y: ah okay, well good luck with that
[08:03] <anom01y> works great
[08:03] <InDuS> i couldnt stop laughing when it asked me to install databases and what not
[08:03] <mralexandro> pls tell me that xchat supports log
[08:04] <InDuS> to watch tv!
[08:04] <mralexandro> and that i have a log
[08:04] <Gnea> what's wrong with databases?
[08:04] <Gnea> InDuS: you don't know much about dvrs, do you? :)
[08:04] <InDuS> Gnea: never heard of it
[08:04] <xim_> anom01y: dude just get new conspiracty videos.  theres enough on torrent to play sequentially until your grandkids die
[08:04] <Gnea> ....
[08:04] <Gnea> wow
[08:04] <InDuS> Gnea: i just want to watch some tv
[08:04] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: what do you use instead of openoffice?
[08:04] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: AbiWord?
[08:04] <c0l2e> Gave up waiting for root device .. when booting on pxe using cdrom installer
[08:04] <Gnea> InDuS: what's to boycott? mythtv is a DVR in software
[08:04] <c0l2e> how can I fix that?
[08:04] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: abiword
[08:05] <mralexandro> how do i view log in xchat?
[08:05] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: I thought so. Does it format better than writer?
[08:05] <anom01y> Gnea, I haven't had to change channels yet, but vlc does change the channel
[08:05] <Gnea> InDuS: DVR is like a VCR, but it records in digital, usually mpegs
[08:05] <anom01y> it looks like
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: OOo is 500Mb installed. Abiword is a few Mbs
[08:05] <InDuS> Gnea: dont want to setup backend, front end, dont want to set some passowrds for mythtv user, dont like to do those mythtvdatabasefills,
[08:05] <anom01y> and records
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: its pretty much the same
[08:05] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: ahh k. so sever resource advantages
[08:05] <daman841> Gnea: Do you know any good pci or pcix cards that accept multiple cablecards?
[08:05] <InDuS> Gnea: its outrageously stupid
[08:05] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: so if I open up a doc file it will look retarded
[08:05] <Gnea> anom01y: I'm just suggesting, for the amount of work you want to do, and for the type of quality you'd like to achieve, mythtv *may* be a better way to go. but, if you can do it with vlc, my hat's off to you.
[08:06] <ubuntunewbie> hi anyone know german language ??? please ?
[08:06] <InDuS> Gnea: spent 1 day wasting on that just to watch some tv
[08:06] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: because that's OOo for you
[08:06] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: if yuo're running a server you shouldnt be running an x server
[08:06] <ubuntunewbie> hi anyone know german language ??? please ? I need help http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/artikel/28303/canon-ip-2500-druckt-nicht.html
[08:06] <Gnea> daman841: anything by hauppage is good
[08:06] <InDuS> Gnea: then through the miracle of google, i found tvtime
[08:06] <ubuntunewbie> please
[08:06] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: I'm not running a server. i'm using ubuntu desktop. I need all the useless features that are aesthetically pleasing :)
[08:06] <InDuS> Gnea: ya in anom01y case mythtv seems suited for it
[08:06] <Gnea> InDuS: doesn't seem too stupid to me, tvtime is designed to watch tv and nothing more. even synaptic or apt-cache could tell you that :)
[08:07] <dreamcage> ppl you shold work with ruby
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i like slickness, hence lxde
[08:07] <anom01y> everythings going digital nowadays anyways, I won't need to tune old analog coax inputs
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: less aethetics == less ram use
[08:07] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: that said, if it's not something that enhances usability (such as compiz), I tend to pick lighter versions of software. For example, alpine for email, bitlbee for IM
[08:07] <anom01y> I'm using the video/audio plugins at the back of the tuner card
[08:07] <InDuS> Gnea: but its not really all over the forums not famous, i was brainwashed to use mythtv and couldnt stop laughing at the outrageous amount of config needed
[08:07] <Gnea> InDuS: if you don't want to use it, then don't. clearly, mythtv isn't suited for YOUR needs. to boycott it is counterproductive.
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i dont find compiz aids usability personally. its just a tonne of gloss
[08:08] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: yeah, mine's shocking. I have to plug mine into power because it runs the battery flat so quick
[08:08] <InDuS> Gnea: all i wanted was see some tv, found tvtime, the brilliantly simple interface i setup in 5 min
[08:09] <anom01y> one channel only on video/audio rca plugins. I don't think I will ever use the coaxial input
[08:09] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: it's great how you can change workstations so easily and move running programs from workstation to workstation
[08:09] <InDuS> Gnea: wasteda aday with 'IS the database running' errors , yeah right whats a database
[08:09] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: but that said, most of the features of compiz I have disabled
[08:09] <InDuS> Gnea: they need to have a mythtv lite edition for sure
[08:09] <anom01y> I did notice that mythtv is able to set up with the remote control I got with my tv/tuner card thoguh, which is cool
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i just use LXDE, nice and light
[08:09] <InDuS> anom01y: my remote didnt work with neither ones
[08:09] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: also, Awn is nice because you can have big bright icons to launch progs
[08:09] <Gnea> InDuS: okay, so it took you a whole day. it took me 3 *months* to get a better X interface about 10 years ago. I really don't think you went through anything too traumatic to deserve a boycott of a software that works great for thousands of users :)
[08:10] <ubuntunewbie> what is "cups missing filter" ?
[08:10] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: when I'm drunk I like having big bright icons to launch progs
[08:10] <anom01y> I just bought it for the video/audio input jacks though, not the coaxial support. and the remote is for controlling the coaxial input only
[08:10] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: KISS principle
[08:10] <InDuS> Gnea: heh ok but it needs a lite edition wihc can be easily done iam sure, maybe ill do it myself
[08:10] <poyntz> so does lxde do everything - aka video, music, etc
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i use terminal for most things and simply type the names of my scripts or the commands themselves to launch apps
[08:10] <Gnea> InDuS: I'm sure they and everyone else would appreciate it :)
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: exactly
[08:10] <anom01y> so I put my remote in a box in my closet
[08:10] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: so you prob use mplayer for music...
[08:11] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: and then for vid, what do you use, and what's the quality like?
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i use mplayer for all
[08:11] <InDuS> Gnea: i had this in mind for new users, asking crazy tech stuff like database passowrdds is scary
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i use vlc sometimes as my G1 phone talks to it noce
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> *nice
[08:11] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: nice. it's a great little player
[08:12] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: but like you I also like VLC
[08:12] <poyntz> ActionParsnip: VLC tends to be able to do more
[08:12] <InDuS> Gnea: it installs a whole lot of nonsense, then the configuration omg really
[08:12] <Gnea> InDuS: well, we usually recommend apps like tvtime to new users - not sure who led you astray, but perhaps it's not too late to steer away from all of that nonsense..
[08:12]  * mneptok pulls out the "offtopic" banner, just in case
[08:12] <ActionParsnip> poyntz: i like a command line interface and vlc-nox runs pretty decent
[08:12] <InDuS> Gnea: well google andforums i guess
[08:12] <InDuS> Gnea: mythtv front end, mythtv backend ,lol configure devices bla  bla