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[10:39] <bluesabre> So many bug reports, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: 40 are 1 person bugs - 1 at least looks like a dupe, 1 refers to the Other option at login which I talked to you about and you said it wasn't a bug - but there for root user etc
[11:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/tbbQQYMmBmOPxERYEZcK/
[18:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: does that mean you're going to fix some? :)
[18:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's the plan anyway
[19:00] <ochosi> congrats on the pa-plugin release btw
[19:00] <ochosi> oh, you're around
[19:00] <ochosi> i wanna get anoother notifyd release out soonish and then move on to something else
[19:01] <ochosi> not yet sure what
[19:01] <ochosi> maybe either port one of the remaining plugins (maybe weather, if it's not too much work) or try to fix some of the more annoying panel bugs or something
[19:04] <ochosi> so in theory could also look at the greeter again with you
[19:12] <knome> hello people
[19:28] <ochosi> hey there
[19:37] <ochosi> managed to finalize the "sliding out" animation for notifyd and made it optional
[19:40] <knome> nice
[21:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds good
[21:41] <bluesabre> weather plugin is useful


[00:16] <Guest4291> I know this question has been asked before but how would I go back to Windows from Xubuntu? I already downloaded the ISO but I have no clue what to do next.
[00:16] <Guest4291> I installed FuriusISO, GParted, & Unetbootin. I have no clue what im doing.
[00:17] <drc> OK, I'm confused...You installed Xubuntu over Windows and now you want to get rid of Xubuntu and go back to Wndows?
[00:18] <Guest4291> That's correct
[00:18] <Guest4291> I love the OS but my touch screen works best on Windows
[00:19] <drc> Then simple boot from your original install/restore disk (whatever came with your computer) and re-install windows.
[00:19] <Guest4291> I've been looking through forums but for the life of me can't find what work
[00:20] <Guest4291> I have an ISO downloaded. This pc didnt come with a disk drive.
[00:21] <drc> I'd be very careful of using a "downloaded" windows iso (unless you are really really sure it's from MS).
[00:21] <Guest4291> i am 100% sure the iso is good.
[00:21] <drc> But unetbootin should burn the iso to a usb (I'm assuming thats what you want to do?)
[00:22] <drc> You may want to google on how to use unetbootin.  I use it all the time, but never to burn a wndows disk, I have no idea if there
[00:23] <drc> 's anything spewcial to do.
[00:23] <Guest4291> is there a way to boot the windows iso without a usb or cd? like put it on a partition or something? idk
[00:24] <bazhang> !find yumi
[00:24] <Guest4291> so you never installed windows over ubuntu? you've ran xubuntu all your life?
[00:24] <drc> sure, but that's way beyond the scope of the channel...and besides, if you have to ask, I'm not sure you have the skill set to accomplish it.
[00:24] <drc> I ran BSD long before I ever saw windows :)
[00:24] <drc> I have installed Linus/BSD over windows many times.
[00:24] <bazhang> something like yumi, be sure in ##windows Guest4291
[00:25] <Guest4291> i've done this before on a different pc but that was a while ago
[00:25] <bazhang>  /join ##windows for confirmation
[00:25] <Guest4291> alright thanks
[00:25] <bazhang> np
[00:27] <bazhang> !find grml
[00:39] <Guest4291> Would you happen to know how to create a new partition?
[00:40] <bazhang> with gparted live disk
[00:44] <Guest4291> ok i had unallocated space so i made a new partition and extracted my iso into the new partition. is it possible to boot this partition and have windows be installed at the bios screen?
[00:44] <Guest4291> or is that a #windows question
[00:45] <artag> i have usually installed windows first, then run the ubuntu installer from the cd or usb stick
[00:46] <artag> the installer creates a boot menu that allows you to select an OS
[00:46] <artag> I don't think windows does this well if you do it the other way around
[00:46] <artag> the installer will allow you to choose what partitions you create
[00:46] <artag> though i don't think it allows you to repartition - you'll have to do that first
[00:48] <artag> (i say install windows first .. i don't ever have a need to do that, but sometimes I get a machine with it already on, so I repartition it into a little space)
[00:49]  * ObrienDave aims a bazooka at google translate. *BOOM*
[01:15] <mathematician> hello
[01:15] <mathematician> i have a question that maybe the result of faulty wifi card but need to make sure
[01:16] <mathematician> anyone here?
[01:16] <drc> We're all waiting for you to actually <ask> the question.
[01:16] <mathematician> ya sorry,
[01:16] <drc> or asleep. it's hard to tell
[01:17] <mathematician> i can connect to the internet through wired connection
[01:17] <mathematician> but wireless
[01:17] <mathematician> wireless does not work on any other live linuxes as well.
[01:19] <drc> mathematician:  you <still> haven't ask a question.
[01:19] <mathematician> any ideas on as to how get wireless up and running?
[01:21] <bazhang> what does ifconfig show
[01:21] <bazhang> lo etho and wlan0?
[01:21] <bazhang> eth0 that is
[01:21] <mathematician> shows all
[01:21] <mathematician> eth0 has the correct info
[01:22] <bazhang> sudo dhclient wlan0
[01:23] <mathematician> ok, what am i looking for?
[01:23] <artag> there's all that wpa_supplicant stuff, and iwconfig, if you want to do it manually. Or there's network manager, if it isn't broken
[01:24] <bazhang> a lease
[01:25] <mathematician> i do not mind manual labour
[01:25] <mathematician> just would like to get it up and running
[01:25] <mathematician> this is from
[01:25] <mathematician> iwconfig:  IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any             Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=16 dBm              Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Power Management:off
[01:25] <bazhang> whats the return from sudo dhclient wlan0
[01:26] <mathematician> no return. just sat blank
[01:26] <artag> i don't know my way around that stuff. I did it once, but was quite relived when it became automatic
[01:26] <mathematician> i have inputed all the correct info to network manager
[01:26] <artag> right, so it hasn't connected. it needs to do that before it gets a lease
[01:26] <mathematician> im on wired now
[01:27] <mathematician> should i disconnect etherchord and try again that command?
[01:27] <artag> no, you can have both connections. it won't work well but you'll get further than that
[01:28] <mathematician> retying the command
[01:29] <artag> are you running xfce desktop ?
[01:29] <xubuntu70w> What is the command to install grub bootloader?
[01:29] <xubuntu70w> I want to do this from terminal
[01:30] <mathematician> no luck on that command sudo dhclient wlan0. just a blinking text box
[01:30] <artag> no, it can't get a dhcp lease because there is no wireless connection
[01:33] <JackFrost> xubuntu70w: Read up on grub-install,  man grub-install
[01:36] <mathematician> no luck with the wifi connection. it sees the connects aviable but goes in circles with the end result being "diconnected"
[01:36] <mathematician> connections*
[01:38] <mathematician> is there a an update specifically for the wireless firmware?
[01:50] <artag> i don't know. I have seen similar problems in the past but am not suffering them now
[01:56] <mathematician> ok, i tried setting up wireless with iwconfig and got this message: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[02:33] <artag> http://superuser.com/questions/42460/can-you-explain-how-to-understand-what-the-iwconfig-command-displays-in-ubuntu
[04:12] <andrewXubuntu> Hello, can anyone say if it's possible to correct a mistake that I did with FDISK?
[04:14] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: possibly.. share some details, and a voluteer will try and answer
[04:16] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, alright! So I was installing xubuntu on my machine which already had windows xp, so I shrink the partition with success, and then I use FDISK to re-write the partition, the problem is, my old partition started at 63 but on the new I only can choose 2048, maybe this is a problem?
[04:17] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: what do i do? i do complete backups of *all* data, before resizing partitions like that.. you *can* lose data, and break things..
[04:18] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: what do i think you should do? stop, and try and access any important data, and back it up.. use a live ISO via USB.. the xubuntu installer for example
[04:19] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, the problem is that I can see the partition
[04:19] <andrewXubuntu> I mean the content
[04:20] <andrewXubuntu> Is possible to set the start of sector manually?
[04:20] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: do you mean, the problem is, you *cant* see the content? from where? a live iso? as i said, you can break partitions like that.. is the partition broken? if so, you can try something like the test disk suite
[04:21] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: most *anything* is possible.. the problem would be to just move forward doing things, without having a backup
[04:21] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, yes I know that,
[04:21] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: if i had important data on that disk, i would back it up, ASAP.. if the partition is not accessible, i would use test disk and see what i can get. is that the case?
[04:21] <andrewXubuntu> In fact I have some backups,
[04:22] <andrewXubuntu> but I would like to know if is possible to fix that mess that I made
[04:22] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: sure.. so, do you have *everything* backed up? if not, do that first.. its a good idea, and good practice, since *all* drives fail
[04:22] <andrewXubuntu> No, unfortunatelly not everything
[04:22] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: what i would do *before* attempting *any* fix is, as i stated, backup what i need
[04:23] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: if the partition is not mounting from a live iso, i would use test disk.. photorec for example
[04:23] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, test disk
[04:23] <andrewXubuntu> inside live iso?
[04:23] <holstein> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[04:24] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: you want to run that tool *not* from the drive you are trying to recover from
[04:24] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: if that means a live iso, then, yes.. and, as i indicated before, thats waht i would use.. the live iso installer for xubuntu
[04:24] <andrewXubuntu> I see, I'm currently running from USB, so I'm ok
[04:24] <andrewXubuntu> I think
[04:25] <andrewXubuntu> sorry for newbies questions
[04:25] <andrewXubuntu> I'm windows user trying to change
[04:25] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: only you can see for sure.. i would want to be running from the live environment, and ask one of the tools to recover data
[04:26] <holstein> andrewXubuntu: sure.. try and approach it as much like you did windows as possible.. for example, you didnt shrink a partition when you installed windows.. you likely intalled windows, or bought a machine with windows on it
[04:29] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, yes, in fact in windows I did using partition magic
[04:29] <andrewXubuntu> I should have used again
[04:29] <andrewXubuntu> :)
[04:29] <holstein> you should use whatever tools you can do the job with.. but, i think you are assuming some things, right now
[04:30] <holstein> i would backup the data, with a recovery tool, if need be, and test the hard drive before moving on
[04:30] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, I will read that link you gave me
[04:30] <andrewXubuntu> now
[04:31] <holstein> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step is where i would start..
[04:31] <holstein> though, this is not a fix for your problem, at all..
[04:33] <andrewXubuntu> yes
[04:33] <andrewXubuntu> Time to read brb
[05:14] <dbenson> Does anybody know how to get xfce4 kiosk mode working?  I've followed quite a few tutorials and done some experimenting with various config files but haven't had much luck.  Any help or links would be appreciated....
[05:19] <holstein> dbenson: i, recently, have not been able to make it work, either
[05:44] <dbenson> holstein - thank you for letting me know...
[05:49] <dbenson> holstein: in case you're still working on it, I've been creating launchers in the user profile (.desktop files) and then changing the owner/perms as root to prevent changes.  I also had to uninstall things like nm-applet to prevent network changes...  little hacks like that have gotten me a bit closer, maybe it will help you too...
[05:53] <holstein> dbenson: i just went with a read-only setup in a different desktop environment, then, didnt need to do it any longer..
[10:11] <bathtub95> I suddenly can't mount any drives because 'Not authorized to perform operation'. Networking is also disabled and can't be reenabled. Any ideas? Sounds like user permissions but I'm a newbie.
[11:45] <andrewXubuntu> holstein, Hey are you there?
[11:48] <Luyin> andrewXubuntu: if you've got a question, ask the room
[11:50] <andrewXubuntu> Luyin, No is not a question, I just want to thank him, I was able to fix a mess that I made with FDISK using the links he pointed out, I'll leave a msg to him then! :)
[13:09] <nanogeek> hey there! I'm new to this channel and i hope we have many things in common
[13:27] <cfhowlett> !details | nanogeek,
[14:24] <madduck> is there a recommended way to mount a Samba share upon login without requiring additional authentication?
[14:29] <madduck> thunar seems not to give me a way to do it via gvfs, clicking on browse network gives «failed to open "/ on ".»
[14:29] <madduck> «operation not supported»
[14:34] <madduck> gvfs-backends is installed, thunar-* is installed… :/
[14:38] <rosaecaeruleae> is GPG already installed in xubuntu or do I have to get it?
[14:39] <Pici> should already be installed.
[14:39] <rosaecaeruleae> Pici, ok, how do I use it?
[14:39] <Pici> rosaecaeruleae: What do you want to do with it?
[14:40] <rosaecaeruleae> Pici, send encrypted mails
[14:41] <Pici> Well, gpg is just for file encryption, you'll need to find a plugin or similar for your mail client to use it.
[14:41] <Pici> !gpg
[15:58] <dmfrey> my last upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04.1 ran into some issues.  I would like to reinstall or reconfigure the window manager, however, I am unsure as to which packages I should do this to.  Which packages should i work on?
[16:34] <dmfrey> disregard
[19:00] <laci_> hello to all!
[19:03] <Manj-811-Xfce> right clicks on my touchpad register as a leftclick.do you know a quick fix?
[19:05] <slickymasterWork> !hi | laci_
[19:05] <drc> Manj-811-Xfce: Have you tried Mouse and Touchpad in Settings?
[19:07] <Manj-811-Xfce> i have but theres no option in there for clicks
[19:08] <slickymasterWork> Manj-811-Xfce: in the Devices tab of Mouse and Touchpad you have a Buttons and Feedback sub-tab
[19:08] <drc> Does Buttons and Feedback (under the appropriate Device)>right-handed and Left-handed not work?
[19:11] <Manj-811-Xfce> uh it does work. i selected right-handed
[19:11] <drc> So..Problem Solved? :)
[19:12] <Manj-811-Xfce> not really lol. when i select left-handed iget the right click dropdown menu
[19:12] <Manj-811-Xfce> but i cant click and grab anything
[19:12] <drc> and what happens when you select right-handed?
[19:13] <Manj-811-Xfce> but when i select right-handed i can click and grab but i cant get the right click dropdown menus
[19:13] <Manj-811-Xfce> i hope you understand what im saying
[19:15] <Manj-811-Xfce> well i found a workaround. tapping my touchpad with two fingers register as a right click. that'll do i guess
[19:23] <drc> I can't get my trackpad (which I very rarely use) to misbehave like that, so, I'm out of ideas, sorry.
[21:50] <kol_> hi
[21:51] <kol_> i have a questoin about the keyboard layout
[21:51] <kol_> i'd like to set a new shortcut to change my keyboard layout with setxhbmap but it does not work :/
[21:51] <kol_> if anyone would like to help me, i'd be really happy :)
[21:55] <wbled> I have a problem with xubuntu
[21:55] <wbled> 14.10 to be exact
[21:55] <wbled> whenever I boot, I get no sound so I always have to type "sudo alsa force-reload" in the terminal
[21:55] <wbled> can someone tell me how to fix this?
[21:56] <wbled> seriously
[21:56] <wbled> pls
[21:58] <wbled> dangit you people
[21:58] <wbled> k, whatever
[21:58] <wbled> buh-bye!
[21:58] <wbled> merry early christmas!
[22:05] <drc> wow...a whole 3 minutes...
[22:34] <drc> In Xubuntu 14.10, does the Power Manager Plugin (for the panel) actually <do> anything (other than sit there and tell you the state of your batteries if/when you click on it)...as opposed to the old indicator-power (which would at least tell you if your box was on batter or powercord) ?
[22:38] <octetcloud> It says "Discharging" when on battery, which isn't really explicit, but gets the job done.
[22:38] <octetcloud> drc: ^
[22:39] <drc> octetcloud: from what I can tell, one still has to "mouse over" the icon to tell that.
[22:40] <drc> the icon itself doesn't change.
[22:40] <drc> as opposed to the old system :)
[22:41]  * drc thinks change is good...but only if I like the change :)
[22:42] <drc> But I was wondering if I was missing something in the new system.


[05:04] <Unit193> ...Yes,I was currently talking to him, thank you very much.
[09:53] <oerheks> hi, can someone please take voice of this rainyaviel in #u ?
[09:53] <oerheks> annoying dude that does not want to stop when asked
[09:56] <Rainyaviel> hello
[09:56] <Rainyaviel> So I am here?
[09:58] <Tm_T> yes, there was few requests for you on how you are using the #ubuntu channel and also someone pointed out the further discussion shouldn't happen in the channel
[09:59] <Tm_T> it would be nice to keep that channel free from such discussions
[10:01] <Rainyaviel> Tm_T: That I will argue, do you have time period?
[10:01] <Rainyaviel> Tm_T: How often?
[10:02] <Tm_T> time period for what?
[10:02] <Rainyaviel> Oh, copy and paste
[10:03] <Rainyaviel> yes I continue to do it regardless
[10:03] <Tm_T> why?
[10:04] <Rainyaviel> 05:41 < Rainyaviel> So copy and paste a record to ensure disturbs operators of the room
[10:05] <Rainyaviel> You can read the next thing I said
[10:07] <Rainyaviel> My purpose in the room to help, I have no interest unless I am challenged
[10:08] <Rainyaviel> I seen how #freenode culture and @mquin have show me that things are changing
[10:08] <Rainyaviel> Anyone challenge me, I will respond
[10:09] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[10:10] <ikonia> it's a simple premise, #ubuntu is a support channel, keep to that topic only
[10:12] <Rainyaviel> To be clear, if you haven't read, my purpose in the room is to help, if I am challenged
[10:13] <Rainyaviel> What does that mean, if you support a culture where you get people what I just saw, I see why you not part of open source
[10:14] <ikonia> you're just saying random things now
[10:14] <ikonia> no-one said anything about not being part of open source,
[10:15] <ikonia> I can only assume you're trying to waste peoples time, so read the rules of the channel if you're comfortable with them, you're welcome to use the channel, if you're not, that's fine too, there are many other channels
[10:16] <Rainyaviel> I don't care what you say
[10:17] <Rainyaviel> I see, that we enemies
[10:17] <Tm_T> why?
[10:18] <Tm_T> this is not a game, there's no "versus", we're trying to help you to help others
[10:18] <Rainyaviel> ikonia: I seen people like you my entire 8 years on #freenode, I've decided that you not going to like me in #ubuntu
[10:33] <ikonia> Rainyaviel: you're welcome in ubuntu if you follow the rules and keep within the guidelines
[10:34] <ikonia> if you can't do that, you're right, we don't want you in ubuntu
[10:34] <ikonia> it's a really simple concept
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> No
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> ban me from this room
[10:42] <ikonia> that is not the intention
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> I have already seen the person you are
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> Ban me from this room
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> Ban me from this room
[10:42] <oerheks> at least say please :-)
[10:42] <Rainyaviel> Yes
[10:43] <ikonia> your behaviour is unacceptable, we can resolve this and you'll be welcome to use #ubuntu, or you can choose not to, in which case we'll end this discussion
[10:43] <ikonia> do you wish to discuss it and fix it with us, or do you wish to end the conversation
[10:43] <Rainyaviel> ikonia: I've seen what you just did
[10:43] <ikonia> do you wish to discuss it and fix it with us, or do you wish to end the conversation
[10:43] <Rainyaviel> ikonia: Ban me from this room
[10:44] <ikonia> I'm going to take that as you wish to end the conversation then
[12:05] <ikonia> this is tedious
[17:16] <wxl> !ops
[17:17] <hggdh> wxl: huh?
[17:17] <wxl> check #ubuntu-meeting
[17:17] <wxl> hggdh: ^^
[17:18] <wxl> tl;dr kick byran_oestergaar from there
[17:18] <hggdh> done
[17:18] <hggdh> this is the price if you want a channel with topic open to anyoe
[17:18] <wxl> thx
[17:18] <wxl> indeed
[17:19] <wxl> it should be open only to the bot, really
[17:20] <hggdh> well, now try to convince the folks there :-)
[17:21] <wxl> well isn't it more of a question for the irc council?
[17:22] <hggdh> not really. Channels are sort of free to decide on that
[17:22] <wxl> hm
[17:22] <wxl> but there are no ops?
[17:23] <hggdh> all Ubuntu members, plus a few others
[17:24] <hggdh> leftyfb: anything we can do for you?
[17:43] <wxl> hggdh: i guess what i'm saying is, it's not clear who controls the channel


[19:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: hey, so I just fixed a few issues with the Edubuntu image, the current one looks good enough from a seed/manifest point of view. Will you have time to test them today or tomorrow?
[19:47] <stgraber> (there was a bug causing indicator-sound from bringing a bunch of touch packages into our DVD image, I had that fixed this morning)


[17:34] <joey> oh man
[17:34] <joey> who let akgraner in here?!?!
[17:34] <joey> :-)
[17:34] <joey> Hi akgraner! It's like suddenly you got fired up with FOSS. I love it!
[17:34] <akgraner> Hi joey
[17:35] <joey> johnc4510, do you know what Dave Bush's IRC nick is?  He's applied to the Fridge team.
[17:35] <akgraner> Well I always had an interest..just didn't know where to start
[17:35] <joey> johnc4510, I was hoping to have someone mentor him as a condition of addition.
[17:35] <akgraner> joey, I hopped in here when you weren't looking...:-P!
[17:36] <joey> akgraner, I'm glad you found SEVERAL starting points. :-)
[17:36] <tyche> joey: Dave Bush is myrtlebeachbums
[17:36] <joey> thanks tyche
[17:37] <akgraner> yep I did...:-) now I just have to narrow it down a bit...:-)
[17:38] <tyche> johnc4510 hasn't surfaced yet.  I was in no condition yesterday (see http://www.flickr.com/photos/22090195@N03/3582980322/sizes/o/ for an example), and he put the UWN together.  boredandblogging helped with the publishing.
[17:41] <joey> tyche, surgery?
[17:42] <joey> akgraner, my only suggestion is start with something you like and see if you fit well personality-wise with existing team.
[17:42] <joey> akgraner, in my case I decided to start a LoCo group :-)   But that's overkill
[17:42] <akgraner> joey, thanks yea I am working with the NC one...:-)
[17:42] <tyche> I don't know.  I'll have to see an ophthalmologist.  The right eye is a cataract, I know.   I don't know WHAT'S happening with the left eye, but it's gotten progressively worse over the course of 5 or 6 years, to the point where I could create that "artists rendition" of what I see.
[17:44] <akgraner> and there is SELF this month, Leadership Summit in July, BarCamp in August, ...I enjoy the community aspect of the community while learning more about the technical side...:-)
[17:44] <joey> tyche, well, do take care of your eyes.  I have to take 250mcg of Lutein daily to fend off the eye strain.
[17:45] <joey> akgraner, I hear SELF is good, but I've never been. BarCamp is usually interesting. It's like burning man for computer junkies :-)
[17:46] <tyche> This is occasional, which makes it harder to diagnose.  The trouble is that it's never appeared when I had eye tests.  It could be anything from pressure on the eye to tumor.  Delightful thought, isn't it?
[17:46] <akgraner> joey,  I went to the LUG meeting here in RDU and got invited so I thought what the heck...can't hurt and I just might learn something...:-)
[17:49] <joey> tyche, well, run over to walgreens and pick up one of the eye formulas to see if it helps. There are a couple really good ones there but I personally use a multivitamin with Lutein in it. It can't hurt but it sure might help.
[17:49] <joey> akgraner, yeah really! You might like it too! :-D
[17:50] <tyche> joey: Yea, I'll talk to my wife about that when she gets home.  She's got my Jeep (we're down to one car, now that she's retired).
[17:51] <joey> tyche, for me, I'm on the computer for about 16 hours a day so I had no choice. If I don't take the stuff I get headaches. My qlink has helped a lot too but YMMV with it.
[17:52] <akgraner> :-)  joey thanks again for the encouragement...catch you later...
[17:54] <joey> tyche, oh the other thing I did was to cut out sugar and limit caffeine.  I found that after a nice liter of coffee my eyes would blur :-)
[18:06] <tyche> I rarely get that problem.  Comes from having been a truck driver.  My eyes get tired before they start to blur normally.
[19:41] <newz2000> I haven't stopped thinking about or working on the new theme, though effort did have to slow because of release and my preparations for Canonical's annual employee meeting...
[19:41] <newz2000> but just saw something really nice come through wanted to give it a shout: http://www.ubuntu-fl.org/
[20:10] <joey> newz2000, we just need anything at this point. :-)
[20:24] <newz2000> I've got a theme


 Ainozama #include googles search help you
[02:44] <bazhang> is Like making any sense
[02:51] <elky> Didn't we like, ban like?
[02:51] <bazhang> in -ot
[02:51] <elky> Time to expand it.
[09:44] <bazhang> ninjah seems to have no idea even about apt
[09:44] <oCean> nor about a lot of other things
 popokpou,  try this if you can get online: sudo-apt upgrade and sudo-apt update, then reboot, see what'll happen cuz i don't get how he can have copmpiz installed if he's not in GUI yet
[09:48] <oCean> sigh
[09:48] <bazhang> whoopsie
[09:49] <oCean> hehe, let him have both :)
 or do a reinstall full
[09:49] <bazhang> thats his brilliant 'advice'
[09:49] <oCean> from BT I see he has been trouble before
[09:50] <bazhang> what a surprise
[11:49] <ikonia> oCean: thanks, I didn't see the earlier command
[13:36] <IdleOne> LjL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1100089 is this post related to what vikash is looking for?
[13:37] <LjL> IdleOne: uhm, it says to install ibus-m17n which is the same i came up with now, but then the stuff it tells you to do, i don't understand it
[13:37] <IdleOne> yeah, me either.
[13:37] <LjL> IdleOne: i reckon he's merely trying to input Hindi, not entirely sure whether he absolutely wants phonetic (Latin-style) input or what
     我擦   and also wo ca   are not nice. he's been told many many times where the chinese channel is
[15:07] <bazhang> why the repeated questions about root irc by sunshinehappy
[15:07] <bazhang> at least half a dozen so far
[15:08] <Pici> Keep telling them its offtopic then
[15:11] <ikonia> it's a troll, as he's talking about the hottest chilli's in ##security, so he knows what he's doing
[15:11] <ikonia> (as in ramdomly, no-ones talking so he's just spouting off about the best/hottest chilli's)
[15:11] <Pici> weird.
[15:12] <ikonia> quite odd yes
[15:12] <ikonia> to be asking security questions in an OS, but be asking chilli questions in a security channel....
[15:12] <bazhang> augh. why the insistence on avi
[15:13] <ikonia> people like the container, or don't understand that's it's just a container
[15:13] <bazhang> he gave a bit sharpish reply as well
[15:13] <ikonia> I've sent sunshinehappy a pm to respond when he's free
[15:16] <genii-around> I'm kind of curious now what the hottest chilli is...
[15:16] <ikonia> I don't think it was an educated statement he was making
[15:17] <bazhang> laotian chili
[15:17] <genii-around> Interesting
[15:17] <ikonia> his opinion was habaneros and nagas,
[15:20] <bazhang> gogli is the same user as kav and one other, btw
[15:20] <ikonia> yes, I know that's why the slack has just ended
[15:22] <Pici> ikonia: I don't think we should dissuade users from using wine if that is how they have decided to use their software.
[15:22] <ikonia> why ?
[15:22] <ikonia> I'm advising them that as a long term solution it's going to end in dissapointment
[15:22] <ikonia> if they are happy with the problems it causes, continue
[15:22] <bazhang> they be asking in #winehq for app support imo
[15:22] <ikonia> most people just think it's Wine will run window stuff - it won't
[15:23] <Pici> ikonia: I don't think should support it.  Telling them about the appdb and #winehq should be where our support ends.
[15:23] <Pici> (I say that as an op, not with my ircc hat on)
[15:23] <ikonia> I'm offering support
[15:23] <ikonia> as in - I advise them not to depend on wine as a long term solution
[15:23] <ikonia> they don't have to agree, they can continue
[15:24] <Pici> I'm sorry, but I think its annoying and not something that we'd let our users get away with if they gave the same answer every time they asked a question about something.
[15:24] <ikonia> how is it annoying
[15:25] <ikonia> not trying to argue, asking for feedback
[15:25] <bazhang> direct them to #winehq after checking the appdb is the norm
[15:25] <ikonia> the majority of people don't understand the limitations/risks of depending on wine, I don't see an issue with advising them of those potential risks, if they chose to accept those risks/ignore them, then it's no problem
[15:26] <ikonia> I'm not saying don't use wine, I'm saying don't depend on wine as a solution, or for everything to work all the time
[15:26] <bazhang> that gets a bit too much into offtopic chat / opinion in my view
[15:26] <ikonia> something that works today may fail tomorrow
[15:26] <bazhang> sure
[15:26] <bazhang> and they know that
[15:26] <ikonia> do they ?
[15:26] <Pici> Sure, but what you're saying is basically "Don
[15:26] <genii-around> I don't think they do
[15:26] <Pici> Sure, but what you're saying is basically "Don't use wine, ever"
[15:26] <ikonia> Pici: no, I'm not, I'm saying "don't depend on wine as a long term solution"
[15:26] <ikonia> I'm not saying don't use wine
[15:26] <bazhang> better to let them find out than preclude them trying out at all if not
[15:27] <ikonia> bazhang: really ? better to let them battle a system than just making them aware of the limitations
[15:27] <ikonia> if they are happy with those limitations risks, good on them, carry one, #winehq is there
[15:27] <Pici> I really really really think we should point them to #winehq and let their experts help.
[15:27] <bazhang> ikonia, yes.  !appd please check here; #winehq for specific app support is the norm
[15:27] <bazhang> +b
[15:27] <ikonia> so, in that case should I not warn people of the high risk issues with the SIS chipsets
[15:28] <ikonia> as that's saying "trying to avoid sis chipsets as they don't work well with linux" ?
[15:28] <Pici> For all we know the app they're trying to use will work perfectly with Wine and we've just told them otherwise.
[15:28] <bazhang> we'd spend all of our time warning
[15:28] <ikonia> Pici: it won't
[15:28] <ikonia> I KNOW it won''t
[15:28] <ikonia> I'm not guessing
[15:28] <ikonia> hence why I passed on the advice
[15:28] <bazhang> seems beyond the purview of #ubuntu
[15:28] <ikonia> there have been a constant changing status with diablo where it's worked, then the sound broke after the game was patched now it sort of works depending on a few hardware limits
[15:28] <Pici> ikonia: you know that every application won't work under Wine?
[15:29] <bazhang> perhaps tell them in #winehq your specific experience
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: no, but the general advice of not depending on it as a long term solution is sound, and if I know that of the application they are asking of I can give them views
[15:29] <genii-around> Pici: Although often I am finding over there they won't support any version less than what the most current is on their site, so the user ends up trying to go install from source or so on, just making more of a mess
[15:29] <ikonia> genii-around: exactly, points the users to install a PPA
[15:29] <bazhang> I do that when xchat questions get too involved, I join the #xchat channel with them
[15:29] <ikonia> when again - the PPA won't matter if the game / software is broke
[15:30] <ikonia> a one liner advising someone that wine is not really a long term solutions to windows games, is not "getting involved" it's offering advice and opinions based on experience and knowledge, I thought that was the aim, help the users based on what you know
[15:30] <bazhang> ok
[15:30] <ikonia> I'm not slating wine, I'm not saying it's rubbish, I'm not putting it down
[15:30] <bazhang> I always take it to that channel <----- What I DO
[15:30] <Pici> Personally, I'd say someting like "I believe that D3 support under Wine currently is rather poor" rather than "Don't use WINE as a solution"
[15:30] <ikonia> I'm advising them that depending on wine as a long term solution is not advisable, as even if it works today you are at risk of it not working tomorrow, if they are comfortable with that,
[15:31] <ikonia> Pici: that is not what I said
[15:31] <ikonia> Pici: I purposfully said do not DEPEND on it as a LONG TERM solution
[15:31] <Pici> "depending on wine as a solution will end in dissapointment"
[15:31] <ikonia> yes, it will
[15:31] <ikonia> Pici: ok, so then do I not warn people of the issues with the SIS chipset ?
[15:32] <Pici> ikonia: I'm just saying that even though you didn't say "Don
[15:32] <ikonia> not trying to pick a fight, but I don't see the problem in offering realsitic advice and opinions based on experience
[15:32] <Pici> (*ARGH, keep pressing enter too quickly)
[15:32] <ikonia> Pici: I would with confidence say "don't use the SIS chipset unless you have to"
[15:32] <Pici> ikonia: I'm just saying that even though you didn't say "Don't use WINE", thats what it reads as.
[15:32] <ikonia> or even "don't use the SIS chipset"
[15:32] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with "don't use wine"
[15:33] <ikonia> being honest
[15:33] <Pici> Which is probably what I should have said in the first place.
[15:33] <ikonia> less so when I've explained in the lines above the one you pasted why
[15:33] <ikonia> (and the lines after that one too)
[15:33] <bazhang> heh !enter
[15:33] <ikonia> it wasn't a one line "don't use wine", it was advice with approx 6 lines of context and reason
[15:35] <genii-around> Geez. I wonder what happens when you try to use mount for the webcam or so on.
[15:36] <ikonia> I'm not ignoring what you're saying,
[15:36] <Pici> meh, maybe I'm just annoyed because I keep seeing you say it.
[15:36] <ikonia> Pici: do you feel wine is a good long term solution for Windows software ?
[15:37] <Pici> I'm also afraid of it digressing into an offtopic conversation
[15:37] <ikonia> Pici: and you are correct, if someone is struggling with wine and certain software, I will advise them of it
[15:37] <ikonia> Pici: that part (the offtopic conversation I can see)
[15:37] <Pici> ikonia: no. I'd much rather see native solutions.
[15:37] <ikonia> Pici: native solutions don't exist though
[15:37] <ikonia> this is what I mean about being realistic
[15:37] <Pici> If it works, fine. Otherwise a VM or a real install.
[15:37] <ikonia> exactly, but few things work %100 and continue to work %100
[15:38] <ikonia> which is why long term solution even if it works today is not something I'd guide people to use wine as or depend on
[15:38] <ikonia> the realisitc and sorry fact is that unless it's native, you're at risk of dissapointment
[15:39] <ikonia> Pici: maybe an -dicsuss point ?
[15:39] <ikonia> gogli: hello
[15:39] <gogli> i'm sick of to be banned without any proper season
[15:39] <gogli> *reason
[15:39] <ikonia> gogli: I'll explain the reason to you now
[15:39] <gogli> i'm just sick of your reason
[15:39] <gogli> who think am i
[15:39] <ikonia> gogli: I have asked you multiple times to stop randomly highlighting me for no reason, and yet you persist in just doing things like "ikonia ...."
[15:40] <gogli> just stop here ikonia
[15:40] <ikonia> you join a channel and do it, you do it randomly for no reason, I've asked you multiple times to stop, and you continue, so I have banned you until you stop
[15:40] <gogli> i came here on ubunu for help not to ban
[15:40] <ikonia> that doesn't change what I've just said
[15:40] <ikonia> I know that you came to ubuntu for help
[15:40] <gogli> just stop this nonsense now ikonia
[15:40] <ikonia> gogli: ok, discussion over.
[15:40] <ikonia> gogli: please /part the channel
[15:41] <gogli> today , i'm cry becuase of you
[15:41] <ikonia> gogli: ok.
[15:41] <ikonia> please /part the channel,
[15:41] <gogli> i just hate you
[15:41] <ikonia> ok, noted
[15:41] <Pici> We don't care. If you don't want to resolve your ban then you may depart.
[15:41] <gogli> for god shake , please stop this nonsense
[15:42] <ikonia> gogli: /part then
[15:42] <gogli> thats the only reason i don't came here
[15:55] <mneptok> here in NM, "chili" is the bean/meat stew, and "chile" is the pepper.
[15:55] <mneptok> ... for those keeping score at home.
[15:58] <mneptok> http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org :)
[15:59] <bazhang> :)
[15:59] <bazhang> I stand corrected!
[15:59] <mneptok> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_Moruga_Scorpion
[16:06] <ikonia> bazhang: I'm pretty sure this user was doing the same thing yesteday and we walked her through fixing it
[16:07] <bazhang> ikonia, ok. it looked the same or similar to the code.google.com usb-builder lightdm.conf issue user for a moment there
[16:08] <ikonia> I don't know
[16:08] <ikonia> but I remember the nick and the problem quite clearly, I aslo remember explaining the many issues with the minimial custom build she was trying to do
[16:08] <ikonia> it was a bit of a mess
[16:08] <ikonia> and this was one of the issues
[16:09] <IdleOne> which DE do they have installed?
[16:09] <ikonia> at the time there wasn't one
[16:09] <IdleOne> probably still isn't
[16:09] <ikonia> it was just starting up X
[16:09] <ikonia> and earlier booting before X
 i want to add my own penetration testing tools
[16:11]  * Pici sighs
[16:11] <ikonia> thre we go
[16:11] <bazhang> forwarding to BT channel...
[16:11] <Pici> I know all linuxes.
[16:11] <ikonia> of course you do......
[16:11] <ikonia> that's why you can't grasp why X won't start
[16:11] <bazhang> ubuntu has too much BLOAT
[16:12] <Pici> not sure what that last line meant though
[16:12] <genii-around> He/she has been here on and off pretty much all this week with the same "problem"
[16:12] <ikonia> genii-around: good, I'm not going mad
[16:12] <ikonia> I thought that also,
[16:13] <bazhang> not about this, at least
[16:13] <Pici> ...
[16:14] <genii-around> They were the same person who put startx then tried to apt-get install startx, then the dependency hell starts etc
[16:14] <ikonia> yes
[16:14] <ikonia> this is how I rememer it too
[16:15] <bazhang> how is RHCE related to building this pentesting light distro
[16:15] <ikonia> RHCE is a pretty tough exam, so she's using it to show she is not a novice
[16:15] <bazhang> ok
[16:15] <ikonia> but then, debugging a X problem should be a doddle
[16:15] <IdleOne> shaneo is the one who installed a libs-something from quantal
[16:16] <IdleOne> I warned them about the problems it could cause
[16:16] <ikonia> and actoinparsnip dives in wtih random things
[16:16] <bazhang> is that shane56?
[16:17] <IdleOne> I don't think so
[16:17] <IdleOne> very similar nicks.
[16:19] <DJones> I'm assuming ubuntu-lover is lion/tiger from yesterday? They said they were RHCE
[16:20] <ikonia> I would be a significant portion of money that they have never seen an RHCE exame situation, let alone passed it
[16:21] <ikonia> IdleOne: he is purposfully dodging the 12.10 question
[16:23] <IdleOne> yup
 shaneo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libgnutls26 was what he was told to install to fix some depends issue
[16:27] <IdleOne> right it was to fix/install vlc
[16:28] <IdleOne> I think.
[16:36] <IdleOne> he is just wasting time
[16:36] <IdleOne> he said he didn't want to lose any data and now says he already has it all backed up
[17:05] <gogli> hello
[17:06] <gogli> i want my kav ID back
[17:07] <Pici> Your what?
[17:07] <gogli> kav ID , kav is my real name
[17:07] <gogli> gogli is a anonymous name .
[17:08] <Pici> gogli: We don't administrate this network. If you want help with nick registration you'll need to ask in #freenode
[17:08] <gogli> ok ! thanks
[17:15] <IdleOne> You should also part this channel unless you wish to resolve your ban at this time
[17:18] <IdleOne> that works
[17:19] <IdleOne> So not only is gogli banned but he was ban evading because his alt nick is also banned from a different IP
[17:20] <oCean> he has been a handful all day, but I could not find an active ban
[17:21] <IdleOne> 49995
[17:22] <Pici> ban[39115] was set on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the most recent
[17:32] <IdleOne> anybody have xskxwraith in PM. I'm not to keen on helping them after the PM I got.
[17:35] <Pici> IdleOne: good catch
[17:35] <IdleOne> on?
[17:35] <Pici> kav
[17:36] <IdleOne> oh.
[17:36] <IdleOne> hehe, thanks
[17:56] <kav> hello Pici !
[17:56] <Pici> hi.
[17:57] <kav> Pici: i want come back on #ubuntu
[17:57] <Pici> kav: Do you understand why you were banned?
[17:57] <kav> Pici : can i  ?
[17:58] <kav> yup  !
[17:58] <Pici> Why?
[17:58] <kav> i don't want to argue .please
[17:58] <kav> i just want to come back on #ubuntu
[17:59] <kav> Can you do this for me ?
[17:59] <Pici> kav: Just because you want to join is not a good enough reason.
[18:00] <kav> Pici: old people says , some time its better to leave the question without any reason
[18:00] <Pici> kav: I would at least expect you to understand why you were banned, and even then, I'm not willing to unban you right after you tried to evade.
[18:00] <kav> Pici: Sorry , my english is not good .Can you explain me again in simple way
[18:01] <Pici> kav: Can you explain why you were banned?
[18:01] <kav> yup ! becuase i ask for same right as you have
[18:02] <kav> thats why i'm banned .I ask for same power like for admin
[18:02] <Pici> kav: no. That is not why you were banned.  ikonia has already told you a few times why.
[18:03] <kav> Please don't involve her here .I'm not irretated by her name .Please .i'm begging you
[18:04] <Myrtti> who's name?
[18:04] <kav> Pici : i have a request to see again  gogli log file
[18:05] <kav> Pici: Can you go for neutral dicision ?
[18:05] <Pici> kav: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/06/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t15:39
[18:07] <kav> can you tell me whereis my fault ?
[18:07] <kav> in the log
[18:08] <kav> this log is incomplete , it don't include this ":("
[18:08] <Pici> [15:39] <ikonia> gogli: I have asked you multiple times to stop randomly highlighting me for no reason, and yet you persist in just doing things like "ikonia ...."
[18:09] <kav> for  god shake ! i'll tell you the reason now
[18:10] <kav> i ask a question on #ubuntu that " i can't mount my devices " then ikonia  answer me "your HDD is already mounted " but i'm saying that my filesyatem is not working correctly but she don't care about it
[18:12] <kav> i logged off and then my LIVE USB behave like a garbage .I'm very unhappy and when i came back on #ubuntu , i see her name listed on screen .So, to tell her that i'm fail to recover my filesystem i wrote her " : ( "  and she banned me
[18:13] <Pici> kav: has ikonia told you not to hilight their name before?
[18:14] <kav> ok  ! i have also a question
[18:15] <kav> Sometime she also highlight me , i don't say anything to her
[18:16] <kav> if i have the log i'll tell you the fault .Now i don't have evidence to prove me
[18:16] <IdleOne> !logs
[18:16] <IdleOne> all the logs are there
[18:17] <kav> O god ! can you find all logs of gogli for me : )
[18:17] <IdleOne> no, but you can
[18:18] <kav> am i stupid ? how can i found my log from  all this stuff so quicky .I don't have the experience
[18:18] <IdleOne> kav: I am going to have our bot send you some links that I would like you to read.
[18:18] <IdleOne> !guidelines > kav
[18:19] <IdleOne> !coc > kav
[18:19] <IdleOne> Please take your time and read both those documents carefully
[18:20] <IdleOne> Please let us know when you are done reading.
[18:20] <kav> IdleOne: sorry , but i already read those documents
[18:20] <IdleOne> Do you understand them?
[18:20] <kav> have you forget that you LjL gave me to read those
[18:21] <kav> i'm not little angry , so thats why you think i'm not following coc
[18:21] <IdleOne> kav: Do you understand what those two documents say?
[18:21] <kav> i'm  little angry now  , so thats why you think i'm not following coc
[18:22] <IdleOne> ok, can we stop being angry and try focusing on the present.
[18:22] <kav> ya! sir ...Treat every one like human , all genders were same
[18:22] <IdleOne> good. Now will you agree not to highlight anybody without good reason?
[18:22] <kav> Never abuse some one , evey person have its own privacy
[18:23] <kav> IdleOne:  sorry to say again , but i'm not highlighting her
[18:23] <kav> please , see the logs
[18:24] <IdleOne> kav: I am asking you if you agree to not do it with any users in the future
[18:24] <Myrtti> him
[18:24] <kav> i know you are admin but i'm also a human
[18:24] <Myrtti> ikonia is a he
[18:25] <kav> ikonia : he is she :) , she already told me ...whatever for me ikonia is a admin
[18:25] <IdleOne> kav: Please stop trying to change the subject. I am trying to help get you unbanned. If you insist on bringing up the specific situation that happened between you and ikonia. I will not be able to move this forward.
[18:25] <IdleOne> good. Now will you agree not to highlight anybody without good reason?
[18:26] <kav> but i have the reason when i highlight her
[18:26] <kav> but why she banned me ?
[18:26] <kav> i hightlight her becuase
[18:27] <IdleOne> alright, then. This ban will not be removed. Please come back in 30 days and we will try again at that time to resolve this.
[18:27] <IdleOne> Please part this channel now as there is nothing left to discuss.
[18:28] <kav> partiality
[18:28] <kav> you are just forcing me to change according to your wish
[18:29] <kav> ok ! i'll come back after 30 days till than i'll be gogli
[18:29] <kav> is that fine ? IdleOne
[18:29] <IdleOne> yes, see you in 30 days.
[18:30] <kav> bye ! hope this partilaity will not be done after 30 days
[18:30] <kav> will you promise me ? IdleOne
[18:31] <IdleOne> kav: All the ops (admins) try very hard to be fair with all the users. I promise I will continue to try being fair with everybody.
[18:32] <kav> thanks , hope another kav will not be like punished like me  without any proper reason : (
[18:32] <kav> bye bye !
[18:33] <IdleOne> everybody lost the game
[20:04] <genii-around> I've seen it before where someone put the rm command without directing it and a user who just asked something else before thought it was for them
[20:05] <DJones> From memory, the command won't do anything anymore anyway, doesn't it need a force option even with sudo before it would cause catastophic damage
[20:07] <LjL> DJones: yes, but that's besides the point
[20:07] <IdleOne> look out for ignacio, rings alarm bells for me
[20:08] <DJones> Agreed
[20:08] <LjL> yes for me as well IdleOne
[20:08] <LjL> maybe not the same ignacio i have in mind, i don't know
[20:08] <LjL> he's in #ubuntu-es-cafe
[20:10] <LjL> !danger > Cottus this is the factoid we have already
[20:10] <LjL> gah
[20:11] <IdleOne> yeah > doesn't pass comment
[20:12] <IdleOne> need to for that
[20:12] <IdleOne> forget*
[20:12] <IdleOne> ubottu: forget danger > Cottus this
[20:12] <IdleOne> err
[20:13] <IdleOne> !this
[20:13] <LjL> tried already
[20:13] <LjL> don't know how to remove it :<
[20:13] <IdleOne> ubottu: forget Cottus this
[20:13] <IdleOne> well heck
[20:14] <genii-around> Heh
[20:14] <DJones> will it not be "!danger > Cottus this" ?
[20:14] <genii-around> Pretty sure
[20:14] <LjL> DJones: that's the one i tried to remove
[20:14] <LjL> !forget danger > Cottus this
[20:14] <IdleOne> no the factoid name doesn't include the !
[20:15] <genii-around> Weird
[20:15] <DJones> http://www.ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=Cottus
[20:15] <LjL> wait
[20:15] <LjL> !forget danger > cottus this
[20:15] <LjL> yay
[20:15] <LjL> matter of capitalization
[20:15] <DJones> :)
[20:15] <genii-around> Case matters!
[20:15] <IdleOne> well done
[20:16] <mneptok> except it was capital C in the original.
[20:16] <mneptok> so case does matter. it MUST be lower. :)
[20:16] <genii-around> Yes, very odd
[20:17] <LjL> we made it, in any case
[20:17] <IdleOne> hah
[20:17] <IdleOne> I saw that
[20:17] <DJones> To quote Dr_willis "Case is imporntant"
[20:18] <mneptok> adn spleling is crucail
[20:18] <LjL> but we don't care about no grammar
[20:19] <mneptok> please use "grammer," and swap that missing "a" into "kernal."
[20:39] <knome> mneptok, but there was a study that only the first and last letters are meaningful
[20:40] <knome> mneptok, for eaxmlpe, tihs txet is coplmeetly radaelbe
[20:40] <IdleOne> lgeible too
[20:41] <knome> and usnedrtdaabnle
[20:50] <mneptok> preuette en vtroe luange nuellrtae
[20:52] <knome> i don't understand french :(
[21:01] <mneptok> "peut-etre en votre langue naturelle" "maybe in your natural language" ;)
[21:21] <knome> depends what you mean with natural; born-with or just anything fluent?
[21:22] <knome> (not really "born-with", but mother .. wouldn't been what i was after either)
[21:22] <genii-around> Cyrax is starting out suspiciously like our other friend kav
[21:23] <genii-around> kv/gogli
[21:24] <mneptok> that nick was registered a while ago
[21:25] <genii-around> Just seems very odd. gogli was first causing issues insisting also to have admin rights in #u
[21:26] <mneptok> life ain't fair.
[21:27] <genii-around> Hehe, so true.
[21:27] <mneptok> i want admin rights in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Wash, DC.
[21:27] <mneptok> THIS IS A DEMOCRACY, *RIGHT*?!


[09:21] <robitaille> @topic
[08:03] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[08:03] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[07:01] <alex_> Hi...when i try to debug my smtp connection in evolution (CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution  or CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution) i get no output....what i am doing wrong??


[17:14] <tsimonq2> balloons: are you available to provide some insight on what was discussed above? ^
[17:15] <balloons> tsimonq2, which one you have completed? Like for all time or /
[17:17] <balloons> that page lets me filter the date, although the dates reset on page load
[17:17] <balloons> you can tell it did work though, as the counts change
[17:19] <balloons> tsimonq2, perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1429321?
[17:19] <tsimonq2> balloons: I am just looking to get my completed numbers for Wily and maybe all time(although I can estimate :P)
[17:20] <tsimonq2> balloons: because how do you get the numbers for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top20?
[17:20] <balloons> tsimonq2, those are all time numbers
[17:21] <balloons> however, no one beyond the top 20 is shown
[17:21] <tsimonq2> balloons: but what is the method used to get the number for each person?
[17:22] <tsimonq2> balloons: (maybe I can then use that same method on me)
[17:34] <balloons> tsimonq2, it's backend code on the site
[17:34] <balloons> you can't query the db directly
[17:35] <balloons> you could manually total your results by parsing the other reports page
[17:35] <balloons> though for archived results, the totals are no longer there
[17:35] <balloons> probably simpler to propose a modification to make the top 20 the top 50 or top 100, then you'd appear :-)
[17:36] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug. even better if you propose the fix
[17:36] <tsimonq2> well...idk...:P
[17:36] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[17:36] <tsimonq2> yeah, after I am done shoving food in my face for the morning, I will :D :P
[17:36] <balloons> in theory, it should be a trivial change to modify the 20 to 100
[17:37] <tsimonq2> meaning?
[17:48] <tsimonq2> balloons: bug 1523260 has been filed
[18:07] <balloons> tsimonq2, thanks