[01:32] <udit99> I have a question regarding sudo debconf-set-selections --checkonly xubuntu.seed
[01:32] <udit99> oops..
[01:32] <udit99> I have a question regarding debconf-set-selections
[01:33] <udit99> im trying to check if my preseed file is valid by running sudo debconf-set-selections --checkonly xubuntu.seed
[01:33] <udit99> and it returns without an error even if the file has junk values
[01:39] <hye> i'm trying to preseed partitioning. I want to have 3 partitions, one for ext3 and mounted to / , second one for ext3 and not mounted, and third one for swap.
[01:39] <hye>  d-i     partman-auto/expert_recipe      string  boot-root :: 1900 20000 100000 ext3 $primary{ } $bootable{ } method{ form    at } format{ } use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext3 } mountpoint{ / } .  100 10000<PHONE_NUMBER> ext3 $primary{ } method{ form    at } format{ } use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext3 } mountpoint{ } .  0 1000 2000 linux-swap $primary{ } method{ swap } fo    rmat{ } .
[01:40] <hye> if I set 2nd partition as mounted to something (ex, /srv) ,
[01:40] <hye> it works fine
[01:40] <hye> but I don't know how to set "Do not mount it"
[01:40] <hye> anyone knows how to set not mounted?
[01:42] <cjwatson> udit99: it only checks the syntax; it doesn't have enough information to check sanity of values
[01:43] <cjwatson> hye: just remove the mountpoint{ } bit
[01:51] <hye> cjwatson: yes, i tried that, and I got msg "[Partition disks] No mount point is assigned for the ext3 file system in partition #2 ~~~~~ Do you want to return to the partitioning menu?"
[01:52] <hye> cjwatson: I was wondering if there is option like... " Mount on ", so I can select "Do not mount it"
[01:58] <cjwatson> you'd get that message if you selected "Do not mount it" by hand too
[02:01] <cjwatson> preseed 'd-i partman-ext3/no_mount_point boolean false' to get rid of it
[02:03] <hye> cjwatson: ohhhhh you are right. although I select do not mount manually, it asks me that
[02:03] <hye> thanks a lot
[02:03] <hye> :-)
[02:05] <hye> since I was using auto partitioning with /srv (temporarily) for about a month, i completely forgot that it asked me that;
[02:05] <hye> haha
[02:05] <hye> stupid :(
[02:05] <hye> anyway, thanks again!
[02:06] <cjwatson> no problem
[20:00] <udit99> :cjwatson, Im trying to germinate a seed that is in the non-free section of my local repository and it seems that germinate can't find any dependencies for that package
[20:01] <udit99> I added non-free to the sections array in germinate.py but that seems to be not enough


[16:30] <seif_> djsiegel, i uploaded a branch for unity-place-files that does not view files which paths are not reachable
[16:31] <djsiegel> seif_: not reachable?
[16:31] <seif_> as in deleted or moved
[16:31] <seif_> djsiegel, ^
[16:31] <djsiegel> ah, right, they should definitely not be displayed
[16:32] <djsiegel> I suggest you report a bug against unity and propose a merge on those grounds
[16:32] <seif_> +i did
[16:32] <djsiegel> saweet
[16:32] <seif_> djsiegel, patched and fiels a bug
[16:32] <seif_> djsiegel, what about thumbviews
[16:32] <djsiegel> nice dude
[16:32] <seif_> i mean thumbnails
[16:32] <seif_> do u want to view thumbnails of images and videos
[16:33] <djsiegel> Yes
[16:33] <seif_> ok awesome
[16:33] <fagan> hmmm got a weird bug with unity yesterday when I tried it
[16:33] <seif_> djsiegel, i will put my gsoc student on it
[16:33] <djsiegel> seif_: awesome
[16:33] <seif_> djsiegel, he ported seze nto vala to make the transition to unity devleopement for us easier
[16:33] <seif_> we have the code for it
[16:33] <seif_> :)
[16:33] <djsiegel> that is insanely awesome
[16:34] <seif_> ok
[16:34] <fagan> oh seif_ I could help a little with that
[16:34] <seif_> i am summoning him to do this work
[16:34]  * fagan <3 vala
[16:34] <seif_> fagan, the port is done
[16:34] <seif_> we ported to vala already
[16:34] <djsiegel> can't wait until we can port all of this vala to C# ;)
[16:34] <seif_> mhr3, can u push ur pixbuf cache to unity
[16:35] <seif_> mhr3, bzr branch lp:unity-place-files
[16:35] <mhr3> seif_, i can try
[16:35] <fagan> djsiegel: is there a bug reported yet about the unity launcher not going away when you open a full screen app like a game?
[16:35] <mhr3> but it's slow and i dont like it :P
[16:35] <seif_> mhr3, its better than what they have now :)
[16:35] <djsiegel> fagan: I am not launchpad!
[16:35] <mhr3> ah ok :)
[16:35] <fagan> djsiegel: lol
[16:35] <djsiegel> :)
[16:35] <fagan> ill go looking then
[16:36] <seif_> djsiegel, are u interested in drag and drop support
[16:36] <fagan> I tested it out last night and tried to open a game and the launcher kept focus
[16:36] <djsiegel> seif_: yes, files are draggable to the Launcher
[16:40] <seif_> djsiegel, i think "Today" could be used as a pinboard
[16:40] <seif_> imagine dragging 4 files form last week into today
[16:40] <djsiegel> seif_: nope
[16:40] <djsiegel> this is hands-off
[16:40] <seif_> ok ok
[16:40] <seif_> just asking
[16:41] <djsiegel> no, I mean, let's not add opportunities for users to organize files themselves
[16:41] <djsiegel> we already have too many
[16:41] <seif_> ok
[16:41] <seif_> good idea
[16:41] <djsiegel> Files place is nice because it alleviates that burden a bit
[16:41] <seif_> djsiegel, ok i will push ammonkey to patch nautilus to tell us when something is moved
[16:42] <seif_> this way when u move something aorund zeitgeist can change its uris :)
[16:42] <seif_> thus never losing trace
[16:42] <djsiegel> seif_: hmm
[16:42] <djsiegel> can we patch at a lower level?
[16:42] <djsiegel> because moves can initiate anywhere
[16:43] <seif_> djsiegel, gio?
[16:43] <djsiegel> right
[16:43] <seif_> inotify sucks
[16:43] <djsiegel> njpatel: ^
[16:43] <seif_> so what i can do is write a zeitgeist extension that takes in such "move" operations and updates the DB
[16:43] <seif_> and some1 patch gio or whatever to inform us
[16:44] <fagan> Ok bug reported
[16:47] <fagan> djsiegel: how could you not have a launchpad account if do is on there
[16:47] <fagan> lol
[16:47]  * fagan only figured that out now
[16:47] <djsiegel> I thought I said "I'm not Launchpad!"
[16:48] <djsiegel> did I say "I'm not on launchpad!" by mistake?
[16:48] <djsiegel> I am on Launchpad :)
[16:49] <fagan> Oh you did whoops
[16:49] <fagan> I can read just not today for some reason
[16:52] <seif_>  njpatel there?
[16:52] <seif_> njpatel, we have a zeitgeist issue that could be solved if gio is patched
[16:56] <seif_> djsiegel, found something in gio
[16:56] <seif_> g_file_monitor_directory ()
[16:56] <seif_> however dunno how muhc it depends on inotify


[00:15] <xixor> BluesKaj: we were discussing streaming media over samba shares the other day.  I came across this blog post just now:  http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281   has some info.  Apparently kio fallsback to copying the file instead of using the remote URL in certain instances: http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281
[00:45] <unheeding> does anyone else use KDE?
[00:49] <almoxarife> unheeding: yes
[00:53] <unheeding> yay
[00:53] <unheeding> friends!
[00:58] <nawaal> hi
[00:58] <nawaal> how do you install gnumed
[00:58] <nawaal> on ubuntu
[00:59] <nawaal> including postgresql
[00:59] <nawaal> anyone who can guide please
[01:01] <CruX|> hello when I'm logged into system on local machine in kde i have plastik style
[01:01] <CruX|> when I start konsole from remote machine (via ssh -X) i am in oxygen
[01:01] <CruX|> why ?
[01:01] <CruX|> what needs to be changed to have plastik style from everywhere ?
[01:09] <unheeding> has anyone had success with installing the KFaenza icons?
[01:13] <xixor> unheeding: I was able to install it directly from the System Settings->Application Appearance->Icons page
[01:14] <xixor> unheeding: it took a few minutes to install/download, I kept the dialog open until it was finished, seems to work fine.  I'm on KDE 4.9.3
[01:14] <unheeding> did you use the .tar.gz file?
[01:15] <xixor> no
[01:15] <xixor> I downloaded and installed it directly from application appearance->Icons->Get New Themes.  T yped Kfaenza into the search box, and selected the latest version
[01:16] <unheeding> ohhh!
[01:16] <xixor> I don't know how to install icon themes manually
[01:16] <unheeding> good call mate
[01:16] <unheeding> i was trying to use the ./INSTALL file but it kept coming up with errors
[01:19] <unheeding> thanks xixor
[01:27] <calcmandan> hi folks
[01:29] <unheeding> hello calcmandan!
[01:29] <xixor> hi
[01:29] <calcmandan> how goes it?
[01:29] <xixor> unheeding: a lot of KDE themes/styles and such can be downloaded and installed directly from system settings
[01:29] <unheeding> i had to compile one, have you tried Chromi?
[01:30] <xixor> no
[01:30] <unheeding> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Chromi?content=119069  check out the screenshot, it's a really neat idea
[01:31] <xixor> unheeding: hm... that does look neat
[01:31] <xixor> unheeding: here is my kde desktop: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/18/snapshot1.png
[01:32] <unheeding> nice
[01:33] <unheeding> too dark for my taste, but cool nonetheless
[01:36] <unheeding> here's mine: http://i.imgur.com/raexy.png
[01:37] <xixor> I spent an evening tweaking with KDE, now I don't really want to mess with it anymore... it works well enoyugh
[01:37] <xixor> unheeding: looks cool, I like the icons.  Whic irc client?
[01:38] <unheeding> that's Quassel, comes standard on Kubuntu
[01:38] <Obsidian1723> nice
[01:39] <unheeding> brb, have to restart for some driver stuff
[01:40] <Obsidian1723> xixor: here's mine http://i.imgur.com/U7ZDX.jpg
[01:40] <xixor> Obsidian1723: cool
[01:40] <Obsidian1723> I run a dual monitor setup btw
[01:40] <xixor> Obsidian1723: what is that greenlight/redlight widget?
[01:41] <Obsidian1723> It's for monitoring
[01:41] <Obsidian1723> One of many such things I have going.
[01:43] <xixor>  use the system monitor on a hidden panel on the right-most side of the screen
[01:43] <Obsidian1723> I just have all of my monitoring stuff on one of my 4 virtual desktops
[01:44] <xixor> ah, I see
[01:44] <xixor> so what do you monitor?
[01:44] <Obsidian1723> logs, packet datagrams, processes, ports
[01:45] <xixor> I don't monitor anything
[01:46] <xixor> I haven't found plasmoids and widgets to be especially stable
[01:47] <Obsidian1723> mine seem to be.
[01:48] <Obsidian1723> sysklogd is a nice tool for monitoring with.
[01:48] <xixor> That just watches logfiles and emails you or something, doesn't it?
[01:49] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[01:49] <xixor> I run a debian server, I used to have a bunch of automatic tools for watching the log files installed that would email me on every ssh failed auth attempt, etc
[01:49] <xixor> eventually, I just disabled them
[01:50] <Obsidian1723> well, if you aren't going to watch logs, verify info, no point in monitoring.
[01:50] <Obsidian1723> Hopefully you didnt leave ssh on port 22.
[01:50] <xixor> lol, of course I did
[01:50] <Obsidian1723> Just moving that port will save a lot of hassles.
[01:52] <xixor> changing the default ssh port is just security theater
[01:52] <vbgunz> anyone know why smplayer will not automatically move on to the next item in the playlist?
[01:58] <aj041191> hello im a new kde user and i would like to get help on how to achieve this setup?
[01:58] <aj041191> http://kde-users.deviantart.com/gallery/37232101#/d5kn7gf
[01:58] <aj041191> =))
[01:59] <aj041191> what i mean is the global menu
[01:59] <unheeding> it's a  widget, called "Window Menubar"
[02:00] <aj041191> i see, what about this "be::shell" the are talking?
[02:01] <aj041191> im searching for it but to know avail, i dont know how to compile sources, do i need to?
[02:01] <aj041191> and also this bespin
[02:02] <Obsidian1723> xixor: I would disagree.
[02:04] <Obsidian1723> Security theater is taking off your shoes at the airport, which really does nothing to help make you secure. Moving the ssh port in and of itself does not make you secure either, however, if you monitor ssh both before and after moving the port off of 22, you will see a lot less traffic hitting on it after the port move. I cannot say the same real world demonstartion can be said about shoe removal.
[02:04] <xixor> Obsidian1723: Yes, but seeing attempts on port 22 isn't a big deal
[02:04] <Obsidian1723> Moving the port alone is not enough, but it is a huge start
[02:05] <Obsidian1723> xixor: Anytime someone probes a machine or attempts to gai naccess, I see it as a threat and a problem.
[02:05] <xixor> You've eliminated the users who can't use nmap.  Those "hackers" wouldn't have been able to get in your box anyway.  A simple nmap is going to determine the new ssh port. Your system isn't any more secure than it was before
[02:06] <Obsidian1723> Again, that's part of it. Using portknockd helps, limiting what users can assh in helps, setting up throttling in iptables and ip6tables helps, using properly configured daemons like denyhosts and fail2ban helps, likewise with a good demarc protection.
[02:06] <xixor> In the security theater analogy, it's the equivalent of taking away nail trimmers at the Xray scanner
[02:07] <xixor> Your patting yourself on the back for eliminating a non-threat
[02:07] <Obsidian1723> If you use portknockd, the port won't show as open unless you send the proper sequence to it.
[02:07] <xixor> sure, I would agree with that
[02:08] <Obsidian1723> xixor: to each their own opinion, but no back patting going on here... you consider it a non-threat if someone probes your machine, I consider that a threat. Different mindset between us.
[02:08] <xixor> any machine on the internet is going to be probed
[02:08] <Obsidian1723> Someone goes probing around my house, I consider that a threat too..
[02:09] <Obsidian1723> and I likewise have protection there as well.
[02:10] <xixor> I used to run portknockd, used to change the default ssh port, and a variety of things
[02:10] <xixor> end of the day, I didn't feel anymore secure for the amount of hastle
[02:11] <Obsidian1723> If security was easy, then it really wouldn't be security.
[02:11] <xixor> I didn't feel like my security was increased.  ssh isn't a common vector for intrusion
[02:11] <xixor> when you're running a public facing web/sql server and other network services
[02:11] <Obsidian1723> and security isn't just a piece of hardware, software, or configuration, it's a way of living, thinking, acting, and being on a 24x7x365 basis.
[02:12] <Obsidian1723> Well, on every box I've come across running ssh on 22, they are getting naikled pretty hard. I'd say that it's proetty common. Maybe not as common as say port 25 for mail relays, but common enough to warrant changing it along with some other measures.
[02:13] <Obsidian1723> and when you are running a pubically-known and accessed box like a web server, all the MORE reason to secure it vs a home client pc.
[02:13] <xixor> those machines are still getting hammered on other ports
[02:14] <Obsidian1723> Well, the least amount they can get hammered on, the better.
[02:14] <xixor> seeing a failed root login attempt on port 22 on ssh, sure, it looks alarming
[02:14] <Obsidian1723> Ive seen a lot more than that...
[02:14] <xixor> they're still getting hammered though
[02:14] <xixor> you're just not seeing it in the logs
[02:15] <Obsidian1723> Well, I have my box to drop packets not reject them, so they can try to hammer, but nothing will happen if the box doesn't respond to it.
[02:15] <xixor> yes
[02:16] <xixor> I think I had it set to block all traffic from that IP after 10 incorrect logins or something like that
[02:16] <Obsidian1723> I do monitor that too btw.
[02:16] <Obsidian1723> So I do see dropped packets.
[02:16] <xixor> my website, www.xixor.net, demands the strictest of security protocols
[02:16] <Obsidian1723> I have mine tighter than that, but yeah, throttling helps.
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> You're running STIG?
[02:17] <xixor> STIG?
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> yeah, it's a security implementation.
[02:17] <xixor> no
[02:17] <Obsidian1723> http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/
[02:17] <xixor> I haven't been that rigorous with security for a few years
[02:18] <Obsidian1723> hehe I have.  I just let the company for another one in the IT Security field.
[02:18] <xixor> is this one of those network scanners that automatically tries a bunch of the common exploits on your system, and keeps a database of them?
[02:18] <xixor> cool
[02:19] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, fun times having federal agents investigate you all the time. whooo hoo
[02:20] <Obsidian1723> I won't miss that.
[02:28] <xixor> Obsidian1723: well, that sounds pretty intense.  Definitely outside the range of security experience I have had
[02:29] <Obsidian1723> yeah its beyond what most people deal with, but it';s made me extra anal about security as well.
[02:31] <Obsidian1723> Usually the less one knows about security, the more secure they feel, but the less they really are. I'm not saying that about you, but about people in general. When one understands it, they go down the rabbit hole and see all of the flaws, realizing nothing is ever 100% secure, just more securable than other things are.
[02:31] <Obsidian1723> It's why I refuse to use a lot of technologies people use. If I didn't have to have a cell phone, I wouldn't.
[02:32] <Obsidian1723> I don't do or use any social media, texting, no Internet access on my cell phone, no facebook, twitter, four square, linked in, myspace, etc.
[02:35] <xixor> I'm security concious, I think I'm more security aware than most linux users.  I've deployed some clusters, and read about linux security quite a bit.  I use social networking and online services, usually sign up with a secondary email address, and a fake birthdate
[02:35] <Obsidian1723> but you do it from the same machine that you do other stuff on?
[02:35] <xixor> sure
[02:35] <xixor> my resources are limited
[02:36] <Obsidian1723> do you login to facebook and leave it open while you brose the web?
[02:36] <xixor> probably
[02:36] <Obsidian1723> well, one way to better protect yourself would be to setup a VM and do all of that stuff from there.
[02:36] <xixor> and then I notice that some news site wants me to comment from my facebook profile, so then I logoff
[02:36] <Obsidian1723> If you browse the web while using facebook, they track it.
[02:39] <xixor> sure, they track it
[02:39] <xixor> how else will they know how to give me advertisements that I want to see?
[02:40] <xixor> what am I, supposed to look at advertisements that are drawn from a statistical likelihood model of what I might like?
[02:40] <xixor> aj041191: try yakuake
[02:41] <xixor> Obsidian1723: I will repeat what I just said
[02:41] <xixor> sure, they track it
[02:41] <xixor> how else will they know how to give me advertisements that I want to see?
[02:41] <xixor> what am I, supposed to look at advertisements that are drawn from a statistical likelihood  model of what I might like?
[02:42] <Obsidian1723> hehe avoid advertisments?
[02:42] <xixor> I have an ethical objection to that
[02:44] <xixor> the alternative is for online content sources to go to a subscription model, which I'd rather not have
[02:48] <xixor> Obsidian1723: what do you do now?
[02:48] <xixor> Obsidian1723: if you can disclose the details without having to kill me
[02:54] <Obsidian1723> I work for a VAR, in the IT Sec field.
[02:54] <xixor> cool
[02:55] <xixor> I work for myself, doing geoscience consulting, programming, R&D
[02:59] <xixor> Obsidian1723: I do a lot of high performance scientific computing.. I cut my security teeth setting up and securing small linux "beowolf" style clusters for solving geoscience problems
[02:59] <xixor> back in the 1999-2002 days when everything was "beowolf" this, and "beowolf" that
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> right on. I remember.
[03:02] <xixor> but I was self-taught, and the computers were fairly low-risk... low-risk in the sense that, it wasn't defense/government/corporate secrets on them
[03:02] <xixor> just a bunch of geoscience data
[03:02] <xixor> and by geoscience data, I mean, absolutely raw geoscience data.  Measurements of electromagnetic fields measured somewhere in the world.  Even the people who collect them have trouble figuring them out.  The value to someone stealing them is nill.
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> right on.. soundsx like good stuff
[03:04] <xixor> Obsidian1723: yeah.  I write HPC computing codes, developing new and innovative algorithms for finding mineral deposits.  http://www.xixor.net/shot1.png
[03:04] <xixor> Obsidian1723: here is a screenshot I like, of a "small" problem, 12 threads at 100% on a dual-hexcore machie, only 16Gb of ram allocated
[03:05] <Obsidian1723> right on....
[03:05] <Obsidian1723> everyone has their areas of expertise eh?
[03:06] <xixor> yes
[03:07] <xixor> I would like to run my own secure mail server
[03:07] <xixor> I've used linux for 16 years now, and mail server administration seems like the only thing that hasn't improved in that time
[03:08] <Obsidian1723> yeah, I started back in 1996 using Linux, but 1978 for using PCs in general.
[03:09] <xixor> Cool.  I'm 31.  Started linux in 1996/97 with redhat, but quickly moved to debian.  Started programming in 94 with Turbo Pascal, 95/96 started programming in C/C++.  Started using computers with commodore 64s at about 86
[03:09] <xixor> What were the pre-80's PCs like?
[03:10] <xixor> Commodore 64's and Appple IIe's are about the first computers I can remember
[03:13] <Daz646> Hello everyone, having a little issue with flash player when on youtube. I  seem to crash mostly when using full screen mode.
[03:13] <Daz646> Anybody else getting this issue?
[03:18] <xixor> Daz646: I have trouble with full screen flash videos as well
[03:19] <xixor> Daz646: I'm using google chrome.  It doesn't crash, but it won't play them full screen
[03:19] <xixor> Daz646: If it makes you feel any better, almost everyone on linux, and MacOSX has problems with flash.
[03:19] <Daz646> xixor: with chrome i think the picture just freezes?
[03:19] <xixor> Daz646: yes, exactly, just freezes
[03:19] <Daz646> xixor: on mozilla it plays for a while then freezes
[03:20] <xixor> Daz646: flash is an inferior technology.  The sooner we put the energy of getting flash to work various places into replacing flash, the better
[03:20] <Daz646> xixor: i purged and then reinstalled and that sorted the issue out for a day but now back to normal.
[03:20] <Daz646> xixor: Ok, im not complaining i went to linux from windows for a reason :)
[03:20] <xixor> flash videos look like shit anyway, does going full screen gain you anything?
[03:21] <Daz646> xixor: Yeah depending on which monitor i use. 1080p looks a bit off but 720 is fine.
[03:22] <Daz646> xixor: i sit a bit far back sometimes aswell.
[03:22] <xixor> hm.. yes, and flash videos don't resize as you make the browser bigger
[03:24] <Daz646> Its no biggie i can enlarge the video
[03:24] <Daz646> thanks anyway for the help i thought it was something to do with my settings etc first.
[03:32] <ablyss> how to make the icons bigger on the dolphin side panel
[05:02] <IdleOne> I am getting constant crash reports for akondi_maildispatch_agent every 5 minutes or so on a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04.1
[05:02] <IdleOne> Any hints on how I make it?
[05:02] <IdleOne> make it stop*
[05:08] <OerHeks> IdleOne, edit  ~/.config/akonadi/aknoadiserverrc and changed "StartServer=true" to "StartServer=false", logout & back in would do >> answer from ajstone  http://forum.kde.nl/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97385
[05:11] <OerHeks> oh wrong, that file does not exist
[05:12] <IdleOne> This is very annoying, I keep getting a crash report window every 5 minutes or so
[05:17] <OerHeks> oke the file akonadiserverrc should be there, in ~.config/akonadi/
[05:17] <OerHeks> just wondering why it wouldn' open on my side :(
[05:17] <OerHeks> ah
[05:17] <IdleOne> not sure but I just tried http://forum.kde.nl/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97385#p206223 . Going to wait 5-10 minutes and see if that helps
[05:17] <OerHeks> not akno but ako
[05:18] <IdleOne> OerHeks: thank you for helping :)
[05:18] <OerHeks> Should that service not restart?
[05:18] <OerHeks> or does it auto accept new config?
[05:18] <IdleOne> the service will continue to restart apparently
[05:19] <IdleOne> I am not even certain of what akonadi does
[05:19] <OerHeks> Oke, i learned something too, thank you
[05:20] <Daskreech> IdleOne: waht's going on?
[05:20] <OerHeks> full: The Akonadi framework is responsible for providing applications with a centralized database to store, index and retrieve the user's personal information. This includes the user's emails, contacts, calendars, events, journals, alarms, notes, etc.
[05:20] <IdleOne> Daskreech: I am getting constant crash reports for akondi_maildispatch_agent every 5 minutes or so on a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04.1
[05:22] <IdleOne> OerHeks: I tried the solution you suggested.
[05:22] <IdleOne> hopefully it will stop driving me crazy now :)
[05:22] <IdleOne> I tried the solution you suggested also*
[05:22] <OerHeks> Will it stop all error notifications, also the wanted?
[05:23] <IdleOne> OerHeks: no idea
[05:29] <IdleOne> OerHeks: Daskreech Bug report if it might be useful to help me https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310274
[05:30] <Daskreech> IdleOne: That's what you are seeing?
[05:30] <IdleOne> yes
[05:30] <IdleOne> that is my bug report
[05:31] <OerHeks> looks equal to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309970
[05:33] <IdleOne> 30097 seems to be akonadi_mailfilter_agent
[05:33] <IdleOne> they are probably both related somehow
[05:35] <skreech_> IdleOne: Do you have debugging packages installed?
[05:36] <IdleOne> skreech_: yes.
[05:36] <skreech_> Ok just checking
[05:37] <IdleOne> hah, you came out of nowhere'
[05:38] <IdleOne> lol I just made the connection
[05:38] <OerHeks> :-D
[05:38] <IdleOne> think it might be time to sleep
[05:38] <skreech_> Oh my net drops randomly
[05:38] <skreech_> Forces a name change here
[05:38]  * gnomefreak pours some bourbon on rocks and watches all the bugs on KDE :)
[05:39] <skreech_> Always thought it was amusing that binoculars were part of the standard icons with Bug tracking software
[05:40] <gnomefreak> there is?
[05:40] <skreech_> most of the time yeah
[05:40] <gnomefreak> never noticed it before
[05:41] <skreech_> KDE still has bugs in it but nothing like the Glory bonfire days :)
[05:42] <Daskreech> Back in KDE 3.97.x when you poured a glass of scotch just cause it booted :)
[05:43] <Daskreech> Or KDE 4.0 to 4.2 when alt-tabbing would crash the kernel
[05:44] <Daskreech> no wait it was the Xserver
[05:44] <Daskreech> I think ssh still worked if you alt-tabbed
[05:56]  * Daskreech hugs His_Dog
[07:32] <LulzPirate> hey
[07:38] <Daskreech> hi
[07:41] <simplew> anyone that can help with launchpad?
[08:00] <Daskreech> simplew: such as?
[08:40] <ManDay> Which is a Video VoIP SIP Client for Kubuntu?
[09:45] <Alarm> hello , i got a weak signal on my realtek 8187 wireless. i thought of manually installing the drivers from realtek . i saw on their website that the drivers are for kernels Linux driver for Kernel 3.0.0/3.1.0/3.2.0.  i have a kernel version 3.5 , would that be a problem ?
[09:49] <walex> Alarm: try it and see.
[09:50] <Alarm> my question is mainly if i can damage my os with that or if i can easily roll back
[10:10] <Torch> Alarm: this can seriously damage your installation especially if you're unexperienced with kernel modules and drivers under linux
[10:10] <Torch> Alarm: so unless you know exactly what you're doing, don't do it ;-)
[10:11] <Alarm> well i don't but someone has to fix it :D
[10:11] <Torch> Alarm: what?
[10:12] <Alarm> i don't really know what i am doing, i will read some installation instructions how to do it .
[10:12] <Torch> Alarm: if the code provided by realtek or whoever only works for 3.0.x, this will get messy
[10:13] <Torch> (it _might_ just work, but it's unlikely)
[10:13] <Alarm> i see
[10:14] <Torch> Alarm: imho it's also advisable to not build and install kernel modules manually if it can be avoided in general. makes for a cleaner system and easier updates.
[10:15] <Alarm> i just try to find a solution with the realtek chipset . my signal reception seems like 50% lower than on windows, i also see the download rates being redeculous , something like 5-10kb/s
[10:16] <Alarm> many bug reports available on web , but no standard or clear solution
[10:16] <Torch> Alarm: maybe there is none
[10:17] <Alarm> :/
[10:17] <Torch> Alarm: complain to realtek about it
[10:18] <Torch> Alarm: but i'm just guessing here, i have absolutely no idea about this card or this driver or how well it works
[10:19] <Alarm> its ok, i will make a small research on the web if i can find something. if not unfortunately i have to boot again in windows to work properly
[12:20]  * genii sippity-sips
[12:20] <ManDay> Please recommend a Video SIP Application
[12:22] <genii> !info linphone | ManDay
[12:24] <ManDay> genii: I take that as an answer to my question, i.e. a _recommendation_ ;) Thank you
[12:48] <avihay> anyone changed to lightDM after the recent package update? (12.04) for some reason it took a while to change from KDM to lightDM for me, also, no obvious keyboard control, and it doesn't remember my username
[12:54] <avihay> well, I changed the layout, that will hopefully solve the issue of remembering my username
[12:58] <genii> avihay: You can also just take a picture of yourself and put it in your home directory with the filename of .face, it should appear in the lightdm-kde-greeter
[12:59] <avihay> ahh, I don't like looking at pictures of myself
[12:59] <avihay> keyboard only usability is more concerning for me
[13:01] <genii> avihay: Do you have just lightdm installed, or the lightdm-kde-greeter ?
[13:02] <avihay> I guess it's the latter, I had the kcm installed for me and all
[13:03] <avihay> I'll check
[13:03] <avihay> ya, it's installed
[13:19] <avihay> well, qml creator is no real help, so is plasmate... I need kate and the docs infront of me to add tab key support
[13:20] <ManDay> Does anyone have VoIP with Video running?
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[13:22] <avihay> ManDay: if you find a SIP solution that work, be so kind as to drop me a line please
[13:22] <avihay> works*
[13:23] <ManDay> avihay: ok
[13:59] <bismal> Кто есть здесь?
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> !russian
[14:01] <bismal> Hello! From?
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: hi
[14:02]  * OerHeks is typing from kubuntu
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: hi
[14:05] <bismal> I'm sorry I do not speak, are you from?
[14:07] <bismal> It generally is anyone else? Or am I alone here?
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: You want help?
  What? Most of all I Nouzha some help! I've signed up and have not yet dokontsa understand what's what!
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: did you try in #ubuntu-ru channel?
[14:13] <bismal> many thanks
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: welcome
[14:17] <bismal> Only one problem here, there is no one has (
[14:18] <bismal> Where are you from?
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: I can't tell you that
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> bismal: If you want to chat goto #kubuntu-offtopic channel
[14:20] <bismal> try
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:03] <dougl> hey BluesKaj - how are you?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> fine thanks  dougl , and you ?
[16:04] <dougl> very well - thanks for asking :)
[16:05] <dougl> pretty quiet in here... I don't have anything timestamped so not sure if chat was recent or not.
[16:07]  * dougl still has 404 errors in sources list and k-mail has 2 of every folder containing identical emails in  both sets of folders.
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> dougl, the sources.list 404s mean the PPA is not supporting the given OS or something, but that's usually dependent on the 404s.
[16:09] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, ok, thanks - hard to correct?
[16:11] <TheLordOfTime> dougl, depends.  pastebin the complete output including errors, i'll take a look
[16:11] <TheLordOfTime> (usually easy to fix though)
[16:11] <TheLordOfTime> (depending on the issues)
[16:15] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/fg8g4ffs is the errors... will do the complete list, was not sure if it was of any interest - sec.
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> dougl, give me the sources.list, and the items in sources.list.d/*
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> since its likely the PPAs are in the folder i mentioned
[16:18] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/L2rWLEJL is the complete output of apt-get update... looking for sources.list
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> /etc/apt/sources.list, and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* (everything in that folder)
[16:19] <tsimpson> dougl: the team-xbmc PPA does not have anything publushed for quantal
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> team-xbmc/ppa  <-- that's why
[16:19] <tsimpson> "http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found", and indeed "http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/" does not list quantal
[16:19] <AMDAthlon> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:20] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson ninja'd me :/
[16:22] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/FmU8rStH is the list and contents...
[16:23] <ManDay> Can anyone recommend a SIP w/ Video client for Kubuntu?
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> dougl, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-ppa-quantal.list
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-ppa-quantal.list.save
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> remove those two files
[16:23] <dougl> TheLordOfTime tsimpson do I just delete the offending items or how do I correct?
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> then do sudo apt-get update
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> and see if 404s are back
[16:23] <dougl> TheLordOfTime, ok
[16:24] <yofel> apt should ignore entries in .save files though
[16:24] <BluesKaj> dougl, no need for a ppa for xbmc
[16:24] <yofel> (iirc)
[16:24] <tsimpson> you can ignore the .save, apt only read the .list files
[16:24] <TheLordOfTime> yofel, still not necessary if you remove the .list :P
[16:24] <yofel> well, it is a backup file
[16:25] <tsimpson> or use the package manager and just disable the PPA source from there, no need to delete anything ;)
[16:25] <tsimpson> or edit via the command line and comment them out
[16:28] <dougl> HEY!!! thanks guys :) I have been pretending not to obsess about those 404's for a few weeks now (they were secretly bugging the crap out of me) and now they are gone...
[16:28] <dougl> thanks alot guys :)
[16:37] <ManDay> anyone? Is linphone actually good?
[16:38] <ManDay> I have my doubts, somehow
[16:41] <dougl> ManDay, what is linphone?
[16:42] <ManDay> a SIP client
[16:42] <dougl> sounds good... skype of google whatever does not work for you?
[16:42] <dougl> of = or
[16:43] <ManDay> no
[16:43] <ManDay> That's why I'm asking for help here
[16:43] <avihay> I've head it's disappointing, but I haven't tried. skype getting to micro...commercialized, gonna have to switch soon, the current owner publishing a patent to wiretap skype also isn't reassuring
[16:43] <avihay> to->too
[16:47]  * dougl installing linphone
[16:48] <ManDay> linphone is NOT a recommendation!
[16:48] <ManDay> I think YATE is good
[16:48] <ManDay> but I haven't tried it yet
[16:49] <dougl> ManDay, technically speaking linphone sux!
[16:49] <ManDay> I readily believe it
[16:49] <dougl> lol
[16:50] <dougl> how do you remove? - sudo apt-get purge linphone
[16:51] <kyubotsu> proprietary amd driver made fonts look quite horribly here..   :-/
[16:52] <BluesKaj> purge if you like but apt-get remove works
[16:52] <dougl> gotcha BluesKaj - thanks
[16:56] <kyubotsu> the system is working nicely otherwise.. ; i just finished a fresh install. memory usage is also lower than with unity,
[16:57] <kyubotsu> AND , rekonq is finally working out of the box
[16:59]  * dougl is happy for kyubotsu
[16:59] <dougl> Nice when it all works out :)
[16:59] <BluesKaj> odd , moving some media files from wife's W7 pc to my external drive ,, the speed started out at 6MiB/s for about 20 mins, now it's dropped to 2,2 and doesn't go any faster , the cpu is working overtime at 98% for some reason ...looking at all the processes , it seems to add up , butr all the process needed for simple transfer of files
[16:59] <kyubotsu> rekonq was next to useless to me . now it actually works as i expect it
[17:00] <BluesKaj> but why all the processes
[17:00] <BluesKaj> kyubotsu, rekonq is next to useless for everyone
[17:00] <xixor> BluesKaj: is it an NTFS drive?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> the source drive is , the external is ext4
[17:01] <BluesKaj> xixor,^
[17:01] <xixor> I remember reading that NTFS drivers can eat up CPU... not sure though
[17:01] <yofel> they can
[17:02] <kyubotsu> BluesKaj: that's what i USED to think ..  ; much better nowadays, at least for me
[17:02] <yofel> I once imported a mysql dump in a WUBI install, the bottleneck was mount.ntfs CPU usage
[17:03] <xixor> BluesKaj: are these lots of small files?  Or a few number of large files?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> I originally used NTFS on the external , but it was too slow and since most pcs in this house are ext4 , the ewxternal backup should be as well
[17:05] <BluesKaj> xixor, my music files , mostly wav , some mp3
[17:05] <kyubotsu> unity does work better with the proprietary AMD driver enabled though...
[17:06] <BluesKaj> at this reate it's going to take 12 hrs
[17:06] <kyubotsu> like FLAC files? that's some hefty media you're transfering there
[17:06] <BluesKaj> I should have plugged the drive directly into wife's pc
[17:08] <xixor> BluesKaj: as a test, I am copying a movie file from an NTFS drive on my desktop, to a 500Mb external 2.5" 5400rpm laptop hard drive, I get an average of 30MiB/s
[17:08] <BluesKaj> kyubotsu, I'm not a mp3 fan , i have lot's of room so I copy cds directly without any conversion ...I don't understand ppl stripping 80% of the data from music files to make them fit on a pc
[17:09] <BluesKaj> xixor, over your network , ot directly connected
[17:09] <BluesKaj> or
[17:09] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:10] <dougl> flac?
[17:10] <xixor> BluesKaj: directly connected over USB 2.0
[17:10] <xixor> BluesKaj: I get the same speeds when transfering files between machines using Samba over wifi
[17:10] <BluesKaj> xixor, I'm moving them over our local network
[17:11] <kyubotsu> BluesKaj: portability. although most modern devices tend to count in gigabytes, most people prefer sacrifice some fidelity for quantity
[17:11] <BluesKaj> kyubotsu, well, i'm an audio guy and audio quality comes first
[17:12] <BluesKaj> I don't walk around with hps on blasting in my ears ...prefer to do that in my easy chair :)
[17:13] <xixor> BluesKaj: I just copied a directory of mp3s from my samba nas storage, to the attached NTFS USB 2.0 hard drive, got 13MiB/s
[17:13] <BluesKaj> xixor,  and how does that help me ?
[17:14] <xixor> BluesKaj: it tells you that with a similar setup someone gets 6x the speed
[17:14] <BluesKaj> I don't have NAS
[17:14] <BluesKaj> aamof I think I ruined a mobo trying to install nas
[17:15] <xixor> the NAS in this instance is just a usb hard disk attached to my consumer router.  Compared to a computer sharing files, its pretty under powered
[17:15] <dougl> is there such a thing as mouse trails on kubuntu - still googling for the mac
[17:16] <BluesKaj> well, good for you , but I don't have usb capability (server) on my router
[17:16] <BluesKaj> xixor,^
[17:16] <xixor> BluesKaj: this is offtopic, perhaps you should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:17] <BluesKaj> why i'm transferring files from windows to kubuntu and it should be faster , I think that's an issue for here
[17:19] <kyubotsu> my comparison between 128 to 320 didnt yield much improvement at the headphone level . so they were right, 128 kbit/s is more practical for portability [read, internet : streaming]
[17:19] <avihay> I get 5.7-6.1MB/s on samba and 5.3-5.4MB/s on sftp (ssh)
[17:20] <kyubotsu> obviously your case is different to say the least , BluesKaj
[17:20] <BluesKaj> kyubotsu, I avoid mp3 or other compressed music as much as possible
[17:20] <kyubotsu> noted. just saying
[17:22] <BluesKaj> dougl, FLAC = Free Audio Lossless Codec  ,,it's basically a compresased Wav file without any data loss
[17:22] <CrazyD1am0nd> Hello, Newb here and loving Kubuntu so far. I have a strange annoyance though, and cannot figure out what is causing it. Occasionally ny screen will FLASH a pixulated image of a zoomed in part of my desktop
[17:22] <kyubotsu> even then, 320 kbit/s mp3 's are still quite portable considering the 8 gigs of most ipods .. or other
[17:22] <CrazyD1am0nd> Desktop effects enabled
[17:23] <BluesKaj> kyubotsu, 8G holds alot of wav or flac files as well
[17:25] <kyubotsu> yah, just read cd quality is rated at 1,411.2 kbit/s , so at 320 you still have a pretty decent conversion. not that 'am trying to sell you anything anyway
[17:26] <CrazyD1am0nd> Is this the support channel?
[17:26] <kyubotsu> !patience
[17:28] <Tm_T> CrazyD1am0nd: sounds like display driver bug, what display card & drivers you're using?
[17:28] <kyubotsu> CrazyD1am0nd: it's obvious you're having video issues.. i'd start with reinstalling the driver
[17:29] <Tm_T> kyubotsu: reinstall most likely won't solve anything (:
[17:30] <CrazyD1am0nd> That was a nightmare to get working.. I have an ATI HD 7770 2GB and the drivers are ATI fir GL
[17:30] <CrazyD1am0nd> From the 'Additional drivers'
[17:30] <kyubotsu> Tm_T: "most likely" there is still a 3% chance in there i'd take
[17:30] <kyubotsu> :-P
[17:31] <CrazyD1am0nd> Everything runs so smoothly now though, Games, MKv's Blu-Rays etc.. Where as before I had so much screen tearing and odd behavior
[17:31] <kyubotsu> yah, i JUST uninstalled the proprietary driver here . fonts looked horrible with it enabled [i have an ATI too]
[17:34] <CrazyD1am0nd> Last thing I want to do is mess around with the drivers again. I have Kubuntu running in a way now that I am very happy with. Last time I tried messing with drivers my whole screen got messed up and a reinstall was needed
[17:35] <kyubotsu> well. then test it without effects and see what you get
[17:36] <CrazyD1am0nd> Good thinking, Thanks very much.. Whats the difference between the 2 drivers I can choose in 'Additional drivers' One is 'fireGL' and the other 'ATI drivers'
[17:36] <kyubotsu> i say, perhaps the trade off is worth the small annoyance of the flickering .. but right now none has a good answer to solve your issue
[17:37] <kyubotsu> CrazyD1am0nd: or, that..
[17:38] <kyubotsu> trial and error is my favorite method
[17:38] <kyubotsu> lulz
[17:40] <Tm_T> CrazyD1am0nd: FireGL is AMD/ATI product line for professional graphics acceleration, it's not what your device is (:
[17:40] <CrazyD1am0nd> Ok thanks very much. Its an Intermittant problem (the worst to diagnose) So I will keep an eye on when it happends next and see if I can narrow it down to what applications are open etc. I am really enjoying Linux finally there seems to be a good Distro and support for gaming in the near future, I appreciate all your support and the work the community does.
[17:40] <Tm_T> CrazyD1am0nd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_FireGL
[17:41] <CrazyD1am0nd> Thanks Tm_T
[17:41] <Tm_T> CrazyD1am0nd: so the other driver would be right one for you
[17:43] <CrazyD1am0nd> I think I did originally have that driver but tried the other due to tearing problems, whilch I later solved through trial and error. Thanks again. Will enable the ATI driver and keep a close watch. Goodbye Windows, Hello Kubuntu :)
[17:58] <Tygart> Does anyone know the command to get CPU info?
[17:59] <lordievader> Tygart: cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> ot just cpuinfo
[18:00] <Tygart> Thanks
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Tygart, if you want more control over the cpu , install cpufrequtils
[18:05] <Tygart> BluesKaj: Thank you. Will that allow overclocking?
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Tygart, not theat I know of
[18:29] <dougl> so there are no mouse trails in kubuntu?
[18:36] <OerHeks> good Q, dougle, i can't find any
[18:36] <OerHeks> nnormally there is something wrong, when the mouse leve a trail
[18:39] <dougl> OerHeks, I have 3 monitors (windows,linux,OSX) controled by one keyboard (synergy) and sometimes when I come back to the machines I cannot find my cursor... forget where I left it - trails on all 3 machines would be pretty sweet.
[19:04] <avihay> dougl: there's a find mouse effect
[19:06] <avihay> called track mouse. closest I can think of
[19:11] <Subfusc> anyone tried to get oss4 working on 12.10?
[19:11] <dougl> avihay, thanks :)
[19:33] <skreech_> Subfusc: I haven't. What's the issue?
[19:37] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I was using just now mc in konsole to copy some data to an remote location, and all of the suddent the Window bar of the konsole dissapeared, also the Panel from the desktop. I can start other programs using alt+F2, but how can I restore it? Can I restart X11 with out having to stop mc?
[19:43] <skreech_> ovidiu-florin: alt+F2 -> plasma-desktop
[19:44] <skreech_> ovidiu-florin: alt+F2 -> kwin
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> I managed to runplasma-desktop, I think
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> and the screen turned blank
[19:47] <ovidiu-florin> skreech_: at first the screen locked
[19:47] <skreech_> ovidiu-florin: It is filling the video cache.
[19:47] <skreech_> It does a pixmap cache of the vector graphics depending on how much stuff you have on teh screen it's noticeable when it starts
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> but it havent turned black as usual, and when I moved the mouse the Prompt for password to unlock appeared
[19:48] <skreech_> Oh that lock :)
[19:48] <skreech_>  ha I don't know
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> what to do?
[19:48] <skreech_> put in your password
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> I unlocked it...
[19:48] <skreech_> ok Good
[19:48] <skreech_> alt+F2 -> kwin
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> and I oppened a new konsole, to run plasma-desktop and kwin from there, and then a new konsole oppened
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> and ....
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> now ..
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> the laptop has entered stand by :))
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> what is happening?
[19:49] <skreech_> Battery?
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> just plugged in, even though the battery should have held annother 1-2 hours
[19:51] <skreech_> Can Yo move the windows around?
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> resumed from standby
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> skreech_: no, I cannot
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> the windows bar has dissapeared
[19:52] <skreech_> alt+f2 -> kwin
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> now I can see the konsole, it's like it's in fullscreen
[19:52] <skreech_> yeah
[19:52] <skreech_> kwin
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> I have mapped a shortcut to open a new konsole: alt+t and I oppened a neew one, but I cannot focus it
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> I can use the menubar from konsole, but i cannot focut in the prompt
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> I can go to tty
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> should I export DISPLAY=:0 ?
[19:54] <skreech_> did you run kwin ?
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> no, cannot focus on krunner, it appears, but I cannot type in it
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> can I run this from tty?
[19:57] <skreech_> yes
[19:57] <skreech_> export DISPLAY=:0 && kwin&
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> I ran: 'export DISPLAY=:0' and then kwin and got: error BadWindow() invalid window parameter 3
[19:58] <skreech_> Erm
[19:58] <skreech_> Did it try to open?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> the window bar to konsole has been restored...
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> but the rest of the desktop is blank
[19:58] <Subfusc> skreech_: it doesn't detect my soundcard and makes noises. :) But I gave it up
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> nothig else on the desktop
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> skreech_: yes, it tried, but failed
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> I would just reboot, But The data I am copying right now is important, And I cannot stop it
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> I've managed to restore my desktop, barely
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> but I get an error the the disk is full, how can this be, since I am copying data from my HDD to a remote location?
[20:37] <skreech__> ovidiu-florin: logs?
[20:37] <skreech__> which disk is full?
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> skreech__: the local one
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> whitch log shoul I check?
[20:40] <skreech__> df -h
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> Available 18G
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> I have no I deea what is happening with my computer today
[20:43] <skreech__> ovidiu-florin: something is up. All your disks have space?
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[20:43] <skreech__> ick something is going there
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> I have a question about mc. when copying date to/from a remote location, the progress bar goes up to 100% and then it just stays like that, while at the bottom of the screen over the prompt, I can see some numbers which i guess that are bytes. I have here a total and a copied which grows, I think. Why doesnt the progress bar also include this ? and it just lags at 100% untill this is finished?
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> also what does it mean when the numbers on the bottom have a - in front of them?
[21:04] <ubuntu> hello
[21:04] <ubuntu> i need help
[21:04] <Guest34074> i have an kubutu live cd
[21:05] <Guest34074> and i will install vlc player
[21:05] <Guest34074> we can do that
[21:08] <internetN00b> Guest34074: I do not understand your problem
[21:10] <lordievader> Guest34074: In a live environment you can install VLC, yes. However it is not persistent.
[21:26] <skreech__> Guest34074: If you are asking if you can install VLC in a live CD yes you can install anything until your Ram fills up
[22:14] <zseller> hi everyone
[22:15] <zseller> anyone familiar with setting up a zte m195 usb modem? This thing works in live mode but does not on an installed system.
[22:29] <zseller> bangarang


[23:47] <jay_> ok thanx
[23:47] <yooshi> oh... ok :D uh
[23:47] <jrib> yooshi: usually it is the windows key
[23:47] <soundray> yooshi: super is normally mapped to the right logo key
[23:47] <soundray> RabidWeezle: ctrl != super
[23:47] <J2> just some general info since it was hard to find. best free software to fix broken sectors, deleted partitions and so on: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[23:47] <jengelh2> yooshi: Super is the Windows key (either SuperL or SuperR)
[23:47] <jake_needs_help> RabidWeezle: Good suggestion, but nope, the cable is good, when I boot into Windows, it works fine... just when I'm using Ubuntu... :-(
[23:47] <rodolfo> I have a ton of linux kernel versions! If I remove some, will it put the system in danger?
[23:48] <yooshi> ok.. cuz whoever said that ctrl is super is wrong... if your'e using compiz
[23:48] <RabidWeezle> oh
[23:48] <jengelh2> yooshi: there's a lot of noise in here..
[23:48] <yooshi> hmm whats super n then?
[23:48] <prodigel> Lunar_Lamp: I'm seeing now in console this message: DPMS Deactivated\nDPMS Reactivated.
[23:48] <RabidWeezle> jake_needs_help, has it ever worked with linux?
[23:48] <jengelh2> DUH
[23:48] <raisefist2> rodolfo : no you wont really booting from the lastest kernel should be fine however if you want to be careful then keep the version before just in case
[23:48] <yooshi> yeah 1,300 people so far the most I've seen
[23:48] <soundray> yooshi: hold down the right logo key and hit n
[23:48] <Zanth> rodolfo: maybe you could try 'sudo apt-get autoremove' . if there are more recent versions of your kernel installed, Ubuntu will remove them and should remain bootable, using the most recent kernel installed.
[23:49] <yooshi> sweet
[23:49] <troythetechguy> After installing the updates today, the wifi on my lap top quit working.  I re-installed restricted drives and all works fine now.  Is this normal?  Has anyone else experiences this?
[23:49] <yooshi> oooo compiz is my friend
[23:49] <jake_needs_help> RabidWeezle: It has never worked in this machine but I'm using the same brand NIC in 8.04 server just fine
[23:50] <mythril> I updated my kernel last night and now sound doesn't play (Ubuntu 7.10) where should I start to solve this issue?
[23:50] <soundray> rodolfo: you can safely remove older kernels. Just make sure you keep the one that's running -- check with uname -r
[23:50] <prodigel> soundray: "could not connect to socket" how does this sound in frontend console responses?
[23:51] <soundray> prodigel: is mythtv reporting that?
[23:51] <ninefold> In synaptic it said "Firefox 3.0b~5" and I just installed it and it was firefox beta 5. I absolutely updated synaptic and I am on the main server and it undoubtedly is, and says, beta 5 for me. Does anyone know what's going on?
[23:51] <prodigel> soundray: yes, between other stuff
[23:52] <prodigel> soundray: I'm running it from terminal, and that some of the output
[23:52] <rainabba> jengelh2:  That was it (no any-any). Thanks.
[23:52] <jengelh2> according to the irclog sizes, there is 5x more traffic in #ubuntu than in #fedora... probably 5x as much noise too
[23:52] <yooshi> heh, I hear #linux has lots but its not noisy
[23:52] <rodolfo> raisefist2, I'm afraid the current kernel is still under development. thus, are not considerable 'stable'. In fact, I don't read all the details that comes with linux kernel when the update manager gets it installed...
[23:52] <fortune82> Hey, I'm having trouble starting up Ubuntu 8.04
[23:53] <Simulous> hello
[23:53] <rodolfo> Zanth, sudo apt-get autoremove doesn't work
[23:53] <soundray> prodigel: I think you've found a clue there, but I can't think of anything to suggest (I'm a vdr user myself)
[23:53] <fortune82> It boots up into the Command screen instead of the GUI
[23:53] <yooshi> !pidgin
[23:53] <Zanth> rodolfo, well, how many kernels are installed?
[23:53] <Simulous> what would i use to enable me to play a couple of windows based pc games on unbuntu please? :)
[23:53] <Simulous> thanks
[23:53] <rodolfo> soundray, I will try that
[23:53] <jengelh2> Simulous: Windows.
[23:53] <]RandoM[> not having any luck with the intel drivers for 4965 agn wireless.. i get connected but the speed is really slow like (20kB/s), the wifi led doesn't show up.. my router is a b router, but there isn't any problem connecting to it with the same card in vista
[23:53] <soundray> rodolfo: use (for example) sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[23:53] <Simulous> haha
[23:54] <]RandoM[> i'm thinking of trying ndiswrapper and using the windows driver
[23:54] <Zanth> dunno why, but autoremove worked for me.
[23:54] <plik> Simulous: you could try win4lin  or wine
[23:54] <jengelh2> Simulous: vmware. with Windows.
[23:54] <yooshi> I know, stupid answer...
[23:54] <rodolfo> Zanth I don't remember...maybe six or seven..
[23:54] <moonchild___> help please
[23:54] <ajhtiredwolf> hey does nayone know if the 9800gtx has working drivers in linux and or works well?
[23:54] <rodolfo> soundray, --purge?!
[23:55] <Simulous> thanks mate. Not sure about the VM tho as it vitalizes the displayer adapt..
[23:55] <moonchild___> #metal
[23:55] <jengelh2> great games come with great impact
[23:55] <]RandoM[> which windows driver do i use ? 32bit or 64? i am using amd64 distro of hardy
[23:55] <soundray> rodolfo: removes configuration files as well. Not sure whether it makes a difference in the case of kernel packages
[23:55] <fortune82> Ubuntu 8.04 boots up into the Command screen instead of the GUI -- How to fix this?
[23:55] <jengelh2> ]RandoM[: a 64-bit linux driver.
[23:55] <arakthor> So, I'm running 8.04 64bit edition, and Gimp is gimped because it can't open the menu-toolbox and some other stuff. Basically everything in the directory /usr/share/gimp/ is missing, and I tried reinstalling. any suggestions?
[23:55] <soundray> rodolfo: I use --purge as a habit
[23:55] <rodolfo> soundray, I know, but I'm pretty sure it will have some impact
[23:56] <]RandoM[> jengelh2: the intel linux driver isn't working well for me (i have it working right now). it's pretty new so it might be just buggy
[23:56] <soundray> rodolfo: it certainly won't remove anything that your current kernel still needs
[23:56] <]RandoM[> downloads are very slow.. lots of lost packets i think
[23:57] <]RandoM[> the driver is iwl3965
[23:57] <fortune82> Ubuntu 8.04 boots up into the Command screen instead of the GUI -- How to fix this?
[23:57] <linkmaster03> How do I clear 'screen' sessions?
[23:57] <coil> Critical: appError called:
[23:57] <coil> Critical: Class Actor Member Owner problem: Script=48 C++=52
[23:57] <coil> Exit: Executing UObject::StaticShutdownAfterError
[23:57] <coil> Exit: Executing USDLClient::ShutdownAfterError
[23:57] <]RandoM[> if i try ndiswrapper do i need to do anything so that it doesn't use iwl3965 driver anymore?
[23:58] <rodolfo> soundray, gonna try it then.. Zanth, raisefist2, thank you all!
[23:58] <soundray> linkmaster03: how do you mean 'clear'?
[23:58] <linkmaster03> soundray: like if I type screen -ls and it shows previous sessions, how do I erase those sessions totally
[23:58] <jengelh2> -wipe, read the mp
[23:58] <soundray> arakthor: /usr/share/gimp is still empty after you reinstall gimp?
[23:59] <fortune82> Ubuntu 8.04 boots up into the Command screen instead of the GUI -- How to fix this?
[23:59] <Shadow_Ice> so... anyone around?
[23:59] <fortune82> GAH
[23:59] <arakthor> soundray, yeh
[23:59] <soundray> linkmaster03: ideally, you should attach and exit them. If they aren't attachable, use screen -wipe


[00:00] <fde> Seems odd that they wouldn't allow a user to set something as feature request though... then I guess that is more the point of blueprints... hmm
[00:13] <sectech> fde,  Bug-control really doesn't like people to triage there own bugs... It's best to get another fellow triager to look at it with you... I know what you mean by not being able to mark something as a feature request though,  the problem is if users were allowed to mark things as a "wishlist" there would be tons of requests.... Plus some bugs would end up as a "wish list" and some "wish list" would end up as bugs
[00:14] <sectech> When I report bugs I don't even attempt to change the status to confirmed or anything,  I'll just ask another triager to look at it
[00:14] <[Relic]> Is GIT the best way to get the kernel source?    coretemp.h is 0 bytes so I can't figure out which version of it was used to build the kernel, and even though lm-sensors say it added 45nm support in 2.6.20 I still get fatal errors unknown cpu type trying to run it
[00:19] <sectech> I have to say.... The bug-squad mailing list is........interesting today
[00:21] <hggdh> fde: you should not accept your own reports -- somebody else should do it
[00:21] <sectech> hggdh, I loved your reply on the mailing list...
[00:22] <hggdh> sectech: it is a pity, though. I would rather have everybody working together, instead of fighting
[00:23] <sectech> hggdh, I know... the developers seem to be missing the point of what we do... we are here to help them, not make there job harder....
[00:24] <sectech> we save them from having to ask reporters for a lot of information....
[00:24] <hggdh> there are some misunderstandings on both sides, and things escalated very fast. After Rienhard's response, I am out of the discussion...
[00:24] <sectech> hggdh,  I am not sure if the developers who posted to the list really reflect the entire group though...
[00:26] <hggdh> sectech, hopefully they do not, and hopefully the answer was spur of the moment, without due consideration to impact. But, as on any democracy, it is not the vote of the people, it is the vote of the active minority that counts
[00:27] <sectech> I just hope we can keep doing what we do, triage bugs... and have it still remain enjoyable and interesting...
[00:29] <sectech> I honestly do believe we are helping more then harming though... Just think of how many bugs we go through (we check for dups, we invalidate non bugs, we trouble shoot when we can)....
[00:29] <hggdh> we will. This is all part of what, some days ago, I called growth pains, due to the huge success Ubuntu has had -- and all of it due to *all* the people that has helped.
[00:30] <sectech> growing pains sounds appropriate....
[00:31] <hggdh> sectech: yes. Only those that never did support professionally think bug trial is for the dummies. Unfortunately -- and I say it based on my experience on both sides of the fence -- most developers never really worked support
[00:31] <sectech> oh by the way... I have had to change some of my more active bugs back to "new"... I am in the process of moving to a new city and I wasn't expecting as much down time as I am having.
[00:31] <hggdh> sectech: you might leave them as incomplete, as long as you are not assigned to them
[00:32] <sectech> It's only going to be a week.... I move into the new place on Sat...
[00:32] <sectech> I just didn't want the reporter to think I abandoned their issue.
[00:32] <hggdh> :-) moving pains are usually worse than growing pains...
[00:33] <sectech> Trying to get high speed out in my area was a pain... I ended up changing providers...
[00:33] <sectech> oh well..
[00:47] <fde> sectech: Sorry, I was poking around on launchpad and the mailing lists... I can understand what you mean though, and to be fair, there are other means for handling such things... it was however something I considered a bug, so I think it's in the right spot.
[00:48] <fde> nickellery: Hey, I added more info to 235103 could you review and see if it makes more sense now?
[01:25] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[01:25] <[Relic]> found out why no one can get 45nm cpu sensor read  :)
[01:27] <[Relic]> coretemp.c isn't up-to-date in kernel 2.6.24, but is in 2.6.25
[01:28] <Deeta> Hiya Relic :) Nice :) another bug resolved :) (or soon to be resolved) *yay virtual bughug* :)
[01:29] <[Relic]> not sure where to post that info, nor how to fix my kernel to do to, but I figured it out so I ain't so annoyed anymore  :)
[01:30] <Deeta> Oh there is not yet a bug files against this? (I assumed you were triaging a present one)
[01:30] <Deeta> *filed
[01:30] <[Relic]> lots of bugs for lm-sensors to be updated to detect the 45nms but it isn't lm-sensors that is the problem
[01:31] <[Relic]> might still have that slightly dated sensors-detect that didn't detect them but even if you installed that you can't get the core temps because it is coretemp that is the problem not lm-sensors
[01:32] <Deeta> If it is working in linux 2.6.25 and not working and 2.6.24 then I guess the package to file it against would be linux (in ubuntu)
[01:33] <[Relic]> don't have 25 running but the code to check for the model 17 cpus is there and isn't in 24
[01:37] <Deeta> Ahh ok :) but as long you are sure that it is not lmsensors fault then Linux is the way to go :D. Just be sure to include enough info :)
[01:39] <[Relic]> lmsensors new detects the intel senors, but when you try modprobe coretemp you get a fatal error unknown cpu type 17
[01:44] <Deeta> Yeah sounds good :) just put all the info into a bug report :) Otherwise not too much what we could do here right now. But if it is in a bug report and has enough info then it will be triaged soon enough which means that the bug is appearing on the radar of the devs :D
[02:16] <[Relic]> can't seem to submit it there is one error, but nothing on what that error is
[02:19] <[Relic]> Deeta still awake?
[02:41] <Deeta> @Relic: Yeah :)
[05:31] <takdir> how to join ubuntu MOTU ?
[05:32] <RAOF> !contribute
[05:32] <RAOF> Wow, that's changed.
[05:33] <takdir> thanks
[05:34] <RAOF> takdir: But you may not actually want to join MOTU; there's more to do than packaging.
[05:34] <RAOF> If you _do_ want to join MOTU, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU would be an appropriate place to start.
[05:34] <takdir> i just want to learn first
[05:35] <RAOF> Right.  So, the contribute page will have a number of ways you can help.
[05:37] <takdir> :) yes, there is number way to contribute
[05:41] <takdir> thanks RAOF
[05:58] <persia> Just FYI: bug announcements are running in #ubuntu-bugs-announce again, if anyone likes to use IRC to monitor bug flow.
[07:39] <svat> hi. I have a bug where if I ask GNOME to swap Ctrl and CapsLock, it does the swapping but the old CapsLock key (which is now Ctrl) is still the one that controls the LED on the keyboard. Which package should I file this as a bug under?
[07:39] <svat> I don't have this problem if I do the swap using xmodmap
[11:56] <copyofjohan> hi, I think I found a bug, but Im not really sure. The sition to reproduce that is: open more than one windows/apps in gnome and mximize one. So when moving the mouse-cursor to the left side and clickin the middle-mouse-button the maximized window goes to the background. Is that a bug?
[11:56] <copyofjohan> situation
[12:37] <Iulian> Heya
[12:38] <james_w> hi Iulian
[12:38] <Iulian> Hello james
[13:18] <Iulian> Hey pedro!
[13:22] <pedro_> hi Iulian, how are you?
[13:24] <Iulian> I'm fine, just got back home from school.
[13:24] <Iulian> I'm having lunch now.
[13:24] <Iulian> What about you?
[13:24] <Iulian> How was your flight?
[13:27] <pedro_> Iulian: ah I'm good, the flight was ok, a bit long as usual but didn't had any issues ;-)
[13:29] <Iulian> Cool
[13:30] <seb128> hello pedro_
[13:30] <pedro_> bonjour seb128!
[13:30] <pedro_> how's going?
[13:30] <seb128> got a cold but otherwise good
[13:30] <seb128> you?
[13:32] <ogra> seb128, oh, you too ?
[13:32] <ogra> i wonder if mdz spread that
[13:32] <pedro_> I'm fine, thanks. mm you too? my head is feeling weird :-/
[13:32] <pedro_> oh gosh
[13:33]  * ogra wondres if PA systems can amplify germs
[13:33] <Hobbsee> pedro_: try refraining from drinking copious amounts of alcohol.
[13:33] <ogra> i stoood directly in front of the speakers when he sag !
[13:33] <ogra> *sang
[13:33] <Hobbsee> ogra: they probably can, actually
[13:34] <Hobbsee> well, pushing the air out from the singers to the front of the audience.
[13:34] <seb128> ogra: dholbach got a cold too, yeah I blame mdz for this one ;-)
[13:36] <ogra> i think i'm through the worst, just coughing and a dripping nose left ... but sunday evening and yesterday i thought i'd die
[14:40] <isforinsects> Could someone clarify something for me?  Totally probably bugreported already.  Just looking to learn a process here.
[14:41] <isforinsects> 'speaker-test -tsine -f 440' doesn't work in hardy, and complains about ALSA 'unable to open slave' errors.  I'm assuming that this is the same thing as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/221673
[14:41] <isforinsects> Is this correct?
[14:41] <isforinsects> Exactly what I was asking.  Thanks.
[14:43] <persia> isforinsects: That's a bot, reacting to your URL, not a human confirming.  On the other hand, I suspect it is that bug: there's some interactions that get messy, depending on what the various clients are doing.
[14:44] <isforinsects> Still, I was pretty sure that they're the same bug.
[14:44] <isforinsects> I've had other problems with non-ubuntu deb's that are expecting alsa
[14:45] <isforinsects> But I don't really know enough to know if I can hit them with a stick hard enough to get them to work or not.
[14:45] <isforinsects> It hasn't been pressing enough
[14:45] <persia> isforinsects: Mixing .deb packages from multiple sources is a recipe for pain.  Ubuntu only commits to source compatibilitiy, and there are irregularities even there.
[14:46] <isforinsects> Yes, but until (when/if) I get the hang of packaging for ubuntu myself, it's a workaround.
[14:47] <isforinsects> If it's not already packaged for 'buntu in someone's ppa
[14:50] <persia> isforinsects: Do you find a lot of things you want that are not in the official repositories?  Are packaging requests open?
[14:51] <isforinsects> I run into things from time to time. http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/download/ was the last thing I tried that didn't like pulseaudio.
[14:52] <isforinsects> I install new things for novelty more than I should.
[14:52] <isforinsects> And I never considered packaging requests.  I haven't really found anything *great* and likely of use to someone else.  But I'll keep that in mind.
[14:52] <persia> isforinsects: We used to have gnaural, but it has some issues.  I've been missing it, and am suddenly inspired to take a look at gnaural2 to see if that helps.
[14:53] <isforinsects> Yes, hardy is the first build without it.  I assumed because of pulseaudio issues.  It too complains about alsa
[14:55] <isforinsects> I can't think of anything else.  Xmoto maybe?  *shrug*
[14:56] <persia> xmoto is in the repos
[14:56]  * persia is confused
[14:57] <isforinsects> *shrug* my bad.  It's still there.
[15:51] <bddebian> Boo
[16:18] <afflux> morning
[16:18] <bdmurray> afflux: morning
[16:19] <afflux> bdmurray: hi! I was away for a week or so and my bugcontrol membership expired. I'd like to re-apply :)
[16:22] <bdmurray> afflux: you are all set
[16:23] <afflux> thanks
[16:23] <bdmurray> no problem, thank you!
[16:31] <hggdh> bdmurray: can I move siretart's Debugging xinelib to the /Debugging area on the wiki?
[16:31] <hggdh> bdmurray: c.f. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/DebuggingXineLib?highlight=%28debugging%29
[16:34] <bdmurray> hggdh: it looks quite helpful but I'd rather it had the same look and layout of the other pages - like the template - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTemplate
[16:46] <pochu> jwendell: hi jonh :) if you have a minute, could you have a look at Debian bug #482564? It has a couple of minor usability issues
[16:47] <pochu> jwendell: basically, that ctrl+D bookmarks the connection even in fullscreen (he says it shouldn't in fullscreen) and that when not in fullscreen, scrolling with the mouse scrolls both the host and the server
[16:47] <jwendell> pochu, hi, dude
[16:47] <pochu> jwendell: I haven't found reports for that in bgo or lp, and he tested with 2.23.2 :)
[16:48] <jwendell> pochu, basically I'm thinking how to fix this for 2.24. Maybe I'll drop all shortcuts...
[16:48] <pochu> ah, makes sense
[16:48] <pochu> so they are sent to the guest, right?
[16:48] <pochu> jwendell: do you want a couple of reports in bgo?
[16:48] <jwendell> pochu, there are a few bugs in bgo about those issues though
[16:48] <pochu> ah
[16:49] <jwendell> pochu, basically with different summaries...
[16:49] <jwendell> pochu, that's why you couldn't find them
[16:49] <pochu> I found this, but didn't seem like the same issue http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531969
[16:49] <pochu> ah, this one! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531716
[16:50] <pochu> hmm, not sure...
[16:50] <jwendell> pochu, is in doubt, fill it anyway
[16:50] <jwendell> pochu, as soon as I fix I'll close them
[16:51] <jwendell> there are so many bugs to fix... and not so many time :'(
[16:51] <pochu> yeah :(
[16:51] <pochu> you don't have comaintainers?
[16:51] <jwendell> nope
[16:51] <hggdh> bdmurray: I will touch bases with siretart, and -- if I get permission -- I will edit as needed.
[16:53] <jwendell> pochu, how was uds? enjoyed it? (I hope some day to be invited by canonical...)
[16:53] <pochu> jwendell: it was cool :) although weather wasn't very good
[16:54] <jwendell> pochu, too cold there?
[16:54] <pochu> jwendell: yeah (for me, there was people with shorts lol), and rainy
[16:55] <pochu> jwendell:
[16:55] <pochu> - When the remote screen is larger than the vinagre window, there are
[16:55] <pochu> scrollbars. Now, when I use the mouse scroll wheel, vinagre scrolls its
[16:55] <pochu> view as well as passes the events through to the remote application.
[16:56] <jwendell> pochu, I see the bug... you can fill it in bugzilla
[16:56] <pochu> jwendell: I think it's http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531716 :)
[16:56] <pochu> jwendell: but thanks for the ack
[16:57] <jwendell> pochu, so, please add a comment in that bug. I really didn't understand it
[16:58] <pochu> ah, and hte other issue is http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530410, cool
[16:58] <pochu> jwendell: ok, I'm doing it, and I'll ask the reporter of the bug in Debian to do it too
[16:58] <jwendell> pochu, ok, thanks
[17:04] <pochu> jwendell: done, thanks to you!
[18:00] <askand> Is someone working on getting 8.4 ati drivers into 8.04.1?
[19:12] <pochu> !backports
[20:26] <Gralco_> bdmurray Hey Brian, have you gotten a chance to go over the application I sent you for becoming a member of the Uvuntu Bug Control Team? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~gralco/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] <bdmurray> Gralco_: not yet I'm still catching up from UDS
[20:28] <Gralco_> bdmurry please tell me once you come across to it
[20:29] <Gralco_> or accept me
[20:29] <bdmurray> Gralco_: okay, will do
[20:29] <Gralco_> bdmurray thank
[20:29] <Gralco_> s
[21:03] <Gralco> bdmurray when do you usually go over applications?
[21:03] <pochu> Gralco: be patient :)
[21:03] <pochu> I hope you are not so impatient with bug reports ;)
[21:03]  * pochu hides
[21:04] <Gralco> pochu i just wanted to know if there is a set schedule or something
[21:05] <pochu> there's not, he will process them when he catches up
[21:05] <pochu> he has been in UDS for more than a week, he probably has thousands of mails to read ;)
[21:06] <Gralco> pochu are you in the ubuntu bug control team?
[21:06] <pochu> yup
[21:07] <Gralco> how long did it take after you turned in you application
[21:08] <Gralco> its been 3 week for me, thats the only reason I'm concerned
[21:08] <askand> Is someone in here able to reproduce bug 235307?
[21:09] <pochu> Gralco: I don't know, it was quite a long time ago...
[21:09] <bdmurray> Gralco: I've been out of town for the past week and a half at UDS and FOSSCamp.  I am also currently the sole reviewer of the applications and realize I am sitting on a few of them and want to expand the process.
[21:13] <Gralco> bdmurray yeah i noticed you were not on irc because I tried to contact you this weekend
[21:13] <bdmurray> I'm actually always on IRC just not always in front of my computer.
[21:15] <askand> Will firefox rc1 get into hardy-proposed or go into the usual updates?
[21:16] <pochu> -proposed and then -updates
[21:17] <pochu> unless it fixes security issues, but I don't think that's the case for rc1
[21:18] <Gralco> bdmurray are there other applications that I can look at to see if I triaged correctly
[21:18] <askand> pochu I see, thanks
[21:18] <bdmurray> Gralco: not really is there a specific bug you want looked at?
[21:19] <Gralco> one sec I think there may have been
[21:21] <Gralco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/230752
[21:21] <Gralco> I was going to give the importance high
[21:21] <Gralco> someone put the status back to incomplete
[21:22] <bdmurray> The maintainer of update-manager did
[21:22] <Gralco> where I confirmed it
[21:22] <pochu> askand: asac knows better (he maintains it), perhaps you may want to contact him to test the package before it gets into -updates... I'm sure he will appreciate it :)
[21:23] <Gralco> bdmurray is the maintainer who it is assigned to?
[21:23] <Gralco> or who filed it
[21:23] <askand> pochu: I can sure test it :) asac: just let me know if you need help with that
[21:25] <bdmurray> Michael Vogt is the maintainer of update-manager and he asked the locale question, I'm not sure what he was getting at though
[21:28] <Gralco> oh I understand now
[21:30] <Gralco> sorry I get confused easily
[21:30] <Gralco> I'm only 16 =/
[21:35] <bdmurray> It's alright Launchpad can be complicated and its not obvious who a package maintainer is
[21:51] <asac> askand: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/135-firefox-3-rc1-bits-status.html
[21:56] <askand> asac:  thanks, installed fine will give it a testrun
[22:06] <askand> asac:   there is a page that doesnt look good in firefox, I do not know if it is a problem with firefox or the sitedesign
[22:06] <afflux> so, going to bed now. linuxtag in berlin tomorrow, so I'll be back at sunday :)
[22:07] <bdmurray> afflux: have fun!
[22:07] <afflux> bdmurray: thanks!
[22:29] <askand> asac:  scrolling down with keyboard makes xorgprocess eat my cpu
[23:39] <joshua_> [xpost #ubuntu] Hi -- I'm trying to track down a crash on my machine (occasionally, everything will go away and come back, and dmesg reports that dbus-daemon crashed). I found bug #218343, which says it's a duplicate of bug #194720; but I 'don't have permission' to view bug 194720. why not?
[23:39]  * joshua_ thwaps ubottu
[23:40] <bdmurray> joshua_: because it is a private bug report because it is about a crash and may contain sensitive information in the crash files.  I'll review it and unmark it as private for you.
[23:40] <joshua_> bdmurray, Okay, thanks.
[23:41] <joshua_> Unfortunately it is not very much information when all I get is [  123.102750] dbus-daemon[5349]: segfault at b81278a0 eip b7e20d2a esp bfb1f5ac error 4
[23:42] <bdmurray> There is a newer package version fwiw
[23:43] <joshua_> yup; I'm not even sure it is the same crash
[23:43] <joshua_> but it's the closest thing in launchpad that I see that might match, so ...
[23:44] <joshua_> I just upgraded to the latest dbus. it didn't say anything about a bug fix for that sort of thing in the change log, but we'll see if it fixed it


[21:55] <jarnos> I installed  mythbuntu-lirc-generator to my frontend. Still I can't see any pre filled .lircrc. IIRC there was one, when I installed a complete system on another machine.


[01:54] <bmg505> gmsa
[01:55] <bmg505> waky waky
[01:55] <bmg505> word wakker word wakker die dag word al kkkkkk
[10:07] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[10:07]  * Symmetria wishes you could sue microsoft for letting their platforms be so... infectable
[10:07] <Tonberry> lol
[10:08] <Tonberry> could be worth a try
[10:08] <afrodeity> how to create a ramdisk http://u8untu.blogetery.com/2011/02/02/create-a-ramdisk/
[10:08] <Symmetria> heh there is definately some new virus out there
[10:09] <Symmetria> thats spreading among the academic community
[10:09]  * Symmetria is seeing very odd traffic pattens
[10:09] <Tonberry> anything i should be worried about?
[10:11] <Symmetria> http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=3&leaf_id=162
[10:11] <Symmetria> if you start seeing something doing that
[10:11] <Symmetria> then yes :P
[10:23] <Tonberry> ok that is strange....
[11:31] <superfly> that is weird
[12:36] <Symmetria> man someone needs to come out with an exchange compatible mail client for windows that isnt outlook :P
[12:36] <Symmetria> Like, entourage for windoze
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:31]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[18:35] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[18:48] <Kilos> evening all i made a booboo again
[18:49] <Kilos> tried to get pidgin .ppa and it took so long on cli i thought it was finished and typed in exit now my sources list messed up
[18:50] <Kilos> can i aptitude remove /etc/apt/sources and get it back again
[18:53] <superfly> no
[18:53] <Kilos> eish
[18:54] <Kilos> now synaptic and software sourrces say they can read sources because of that exit in there
[18:54] <Kilos> cant
[18:54] <superfly> well then go and delete the exit
[18:55] <Kilos> ok i will try get there
[19:13] <marcog> drubin: you see the email from olaf to the IT list regarding OSS?
[19:25] <Kilos> superfly, i cant get into /etc/apt/sources.list.d to edit it
[19:26] <Kilos> i can cd to there and when i ls it shows pidgin-ppa.list
[19:26] <superfly> Kilos: yes, so what's the problem?
[19:26] <Kilos> but sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d say its a dir so i cant open it
[19:27] <superfly> yes, it's a directory
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <Kilos> do i need another command to edit it
[19:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:29] <superfly> no, you don't want to edit a directory
[19:30] <Kilos> all thats in there when i go ls is that pidgin-ppa.list
[19:30] <marcog> Kilos: sounds like you want to sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pidgin-ppa.list
[19:30] <Kilos> that i can see anyway
[19:31] <Kilos> i tried that but i try again
[19:32] <Kilos> ty i am in there and there an exit to start with i will just delete that
[19:32] <Kilos> ty superfly
[19:34] <Kilos> does this sound right or is this also corrupt
[19:35] <Kilos> sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pidgin-ppa.list
[19:35] <Kilos> thats whats in there now after removing the exit
[19:35] <Kilos> whats the tee
[19:37] <Kilos> should i not remove it all and get the latest pidgin.deb and install with gdebi
[19:38] <Kilos> yeah synaptic says that sudo is not known on line 1
[19:39] <Kilos> and go to repo dialog to correct the problem
[19:41] <Kilos> sorry to bug you superfly
[19:41] <superfly> what's up Kilos?
[19:43] <Kilos> must that just show /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pidgin-ppa.list
[19:43] <Kilos> is that tee before it meant to be there
[19:44] <superfly> Kilos: what tee?
[19:45] <Kilos> ^^
[19:45] <Kilos> i showed
[19:45] <Kilos> i took that out as well and it still complaining
[19:46] <superfly> Kilos: I don't understand 1. what you're doing, or 2. what you're trying to do
[19:46] <Kilos> ok i go to other pc and get the error report on stick and brinh it here
[19:47] <superfly> Kilos: no, tell me what you are trying to do
[19:47] <Kilos> i tried to get pidgin to update so it has mxit in it
[19:47] <Kilos> ubuntu site said add the ppa
[20:03] <Kilos> ty superfly  i deleted that whole line in the sources.list.d and now synaptic is working again
[20:20] <Kilos> sorry superfly . i forgot to tell you. karmic is all i can get to work here on the 6g and 20g drives so mxit is not in the list
[20:21] <Kilos> thats why i was after the ppa
[20:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:28] <drubin> marcog: Will tomorrow
[22:29] <drubin> Maaz_: ping za.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:29] <Maaz_> drubin: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4004ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 21.544/21.871/22.227/0.286 ms
[22:29] <drubin> Maaz_: nslookup za.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:29] <Maaz_> drubin: Records: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>


[02:44] <ChinnoDog> <insert refridgerator joke here>
[09:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[17:33] <ChinnoDog> morning
[17:34] <ChinnoDog> I wish I could go to plug.
[17:34] <ChinnoDog> peaches: Did you go?
[17:35] <peaches> ya, hi ChinnoDog
[17:39] <ChinnoDog> I've never lived close enough to Philly to go. I lived too far west. Too long to drive, too much traffic after work.
[17:40] <pleia2> I just use an airplane
[17:45] <ChinnoDog> I need an airplane.
[17:46] <pleia2> boat, airplane
[17:46] <pleia2> I just buy tickets on other people's airplanes :)
[17:46] <pleia2> much cheaper
[18:00] <icey> pleia2: you buy flights just to comt to plug?
[18:01] <pleia2> icey: not actually :) but I do come to plug if my trips happen to overlap
[18:01] <icey> :) pleia2
[18:03] <teddy-dbear> pleia2: is only a little bit crazy ;-)
[18:03] <pleia2> but you love me :)
[18:03] <teddy-dbear> how could I not?
[18:04] <teddy-dbear> oh yeah, when you forget to bring Stitch :P
[18:04] <pleia2> haha


[00:00] <bryce> guess it doesn't hurt to keep it for now
[01:29] <bryce>  I've updated this page to latest http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/symptoms_intel.html
[01:45] <jbarnes> bryce: wow you've put a lot of work into that
[01:46] <bryce> well, at least my scripts put in a lot of work ;-)
[01:46] <jbarnes> heh
[01:46] <jbarnes> I see we won't have any shortage of topics at uds
[01:46] <bryce> actually Geir and mnemo and others have been working hard getting the appropriate tags added
[01:47] <jbarnes> cool
[01:47] <bryce> I did run a script that looks for obvious things like "freeze" or "corrupt" in the subject and add those tags
[01:48] <bryce> jbarnes: one thing we need to get figured out is whether to target -intel 1.7, 1.8, or 1.9 for karmic
[01:48] <jbarnes> right, we can talk about that
[01:48] <jbarnes> to kms or not to kms
[01:49] <jbarnes> ok back to the bbq
[01:49] <bryce> cya
[06:56] <tjaalton> bryce: it needs vmmouse_detect from mdetect
[06:57] <bryce> tjaalton: debian has a hal tool for this now it seems
[07:01] <tjaalton> checking
[07:01] <bryce> but I think it hurts nothing to retain mdetect, if we think it's still necessary
[07:02] <bryce> I suggested the person attempting the merge doublecheck with you
[07:02] <tjaalton> oh right, the driver includes vmmouse_detect now
[07:02] <tjaalton> so the dep can be dropped
[07:03] <tjaalton> the hal callout script uses that, but the version in jaunty didn't include vmmouse_detect.c, so the dependency was added
[08:47] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/symptoms_ati.html
[10:05] <tseliot> bryce: are you still there?
[10:06] <tseliot> maybe it's a bit late there
[10:07] <tseliot> tjaalton: ping
[10:07] <tjaalton> tseliot: yo
[10:07] <tseliot> can you sponsor this fix, please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxi/+bug/373711
[10:08] <tseliot> the last debdiff is the right one
[10:08] <tjaalton> the version is wrong, SRU's should use -xubuntux.1
[10:08] <tjaalton> s/x/X/g
[10:09] <tjaalton> otherwise, sure
[10:09] <tseliot> aah, -1ubuntu1.1 ?
[10:09] <tjaalton> yes
[10:09] <tseliot> ok, let me correct the debdiff
[10:14] <tseliot> tjaalton: done. Thanks again :-)
[10:14] <tseliot> pitti is going to review the SRU today
[10:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: BTW are you going to the UDS?
[10:24] <tjaalton> tseliot: unfortunately not, didn't fit the schedule
[10:24] <tseliot> :-(
[10:24] <tseliot> so there will be only 2 X guys at the UDS...
[10:25] <tjaalton> and I think I'll miss the next one too, since I'll be in South Korea the first two weeks of November, so even if they don't overlap it's unlikely I'll get to go to the next UDS :P
[10:25] <tjaalton> you'll manage ;)
[10:26] <tseliot> South Korea? On a vacation, I hope ;)
[10:26] <tseliot> hehe
[10:26] <tjaalton> kind of, a choir competition in Busan
[10:28] <tseliot> nice
[10:28]  * tseliot can't sing...
[10:30] <tjaalton> heh :)
[10:32] <tjaalton> libxi uploaded
[10:32] <tseliot> tjaalton: you rock ;)
[10:34] <tjaalton> I know ;)
[10:34] <tjaalton> heh
[11:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: can you upload the fix to karmic, please?
[11:25] <tseliot> pitti thinks it's better this way
[11:29] <Sarvatt> i think it might be more complicated than just being fast user switch applet now tjaalton, slowdown started up again every time i use sudo and hal-acl-tool runs
[11:35] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: it doesn't do that anymore after I removed FUSA from my panel, logged out and back in and added FUSA back
[11:35] <Sarvatt> i did the same but it popped back up about 12 hours later
[11:36] <Sarvatt> well I left it removed since I dont need it
[11:38] <Sarvatt> so weird, i just did a sudo apt-get install acct so i can track down what its doing and after it lagged through installing that it completely stopped doing it again
[11:40] <Sarvatt> ahh it swapped out a big 400mb chunk at the same time, here comes the intel font corruption :D
[11:49] <tseliot> tjaalton: did you see my request?
[11:49] <tseliot> ^^
[11:49]  * tseliot is sorry about being a pain
[11:53] <tjaalton> tseliot: ah, right
[11:53]  * tjaalton doesn't multitask too well ;)
[11:56] <tjaalton> zsh should tab-complete 'debsign -k...'
[11:57] <james_w> you can set DEBSIGN_KEYID
[11:57] <james_w> obviously doesn't help if you have multiple keys though
[12:01] <tjaalton> hmm, fails
[12:01] <tjaalton> doing something wrong
[12:04] <james_w> DEBSIGN_KEYID fails?
[12:04] <james_w> it's a devscripts option, not an env var
[12:05] <james_w> took me ages to work that one out
[12:05] <james_w> % cat ~/.devscripts
[12:05] <james_w> DEBSIGN_KEYID=B577FE13
[12:05] <tjaalton> argh
[12:05] <tjaalton> :)
[12:05] <james_w> sorry :-)
[12:06] <tjaalton> don't be, this is useful :)
[12:06] <tjaalton> I had that file already with stuff on it
[12:06] <tjaalton> but didn't remember it
[12:13] <tjaalton> tseliot: uploaded
[12:13] <tseliot> tjaalton: thanks again
[12:14] <tjaalton> oh hmm, forgot the freeze
[13:03] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: btw, I don't have hal-acl-tools installed, nor can I find it
[13:16] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/hal/hal-acl-tool
[13:17] <Sarvatt> i was hoping it would be something like this bug since its strange every time its happened has been when i was using sudo or gksudo for something, but it isnt  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/361223
[13:19] <Sarvatt> dont have time to try to narrow it down anymore today, at least it goes long enough without happening rebooting isnt that much of a hassle :D
[13:20] <tjaalton> right, there it is
[13:20] <tjaalton> was looking for hal-acl-toolS
[22:43] <mnemo> bryce: fyi.. I changed the description for the intel freeze test so it recommends .30-rc5 instead of .30-rc2
[22:43] <bryce> mnemo: alright, thanks
[23:15] <mnemo> bryce: to facilitate LTS -> LTS upgrades, will it be necessary to fix and SRU all bugs that make X unbootable for intrepid and jaunty? I mean even for stuff like openchrome etc ? I guess so right?
[23:16] <mnemo> or does it skip right to the new LTS packages?


[20:12] <pleia2> nice work again this week on the summaries!
[20:12] <pleia2> adding a few more from planet and news over the weekend
[21:16] <tsimonq2> pleia2: hey, I just thought I'd note something common I'm seeing in the summaries. I'm seeing something like this "... from omgubuntu.co.uk ..." instead of "... from OMG! Ubuntu! ..."
[21:16] <tsimonq2> pleia2: first of all, am I right to correct it to the latter?
[21:17] <tsimonq2> pleia2: also, I wonder if it's on the wiki as something not to do
[21:22] <pleia2> tsimonq2: you can correct them whenever
[21:22] <pleia2> and yeah, we can add it to the style guidelines
[21:22] <tsimonq2> pleia2: alright, I'll do that
[21:23] <pleia2> we want the proper name of the publication, not just the URL (unless the URL is the proper name)
[21:23] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I'm a little against adding https://www.maketecheasier.com/snap-packages-vs-flatpacks/ in the newsletter, it has some wrong information, saying, "...and the technology is hard-coded to use the Snap package store. Some may be nervous of this, as Ubuntu has total control, and in fact in order to make a Snap package you’ll need to sign a Contributor License Agreement (something that some peopl
[21:24] <tsimonq2> e are very much against)." which if I remember correctly was proven wrong by http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/06/howto-host-your-own-snap-store.html
[21:24] <tsimonq2> pleia2: thoughts?
[21:24] <pleia2> tsimonq2: I was under the impression that you still needed to sign the CLA
[21:25] <pleia2> tsimonq2: the article by dustin is about hosting you own whole store, outside of Ubuntu's ecosystem
[21:25] <pleia2> so the author of the article is conflating some things
[21:25] <tsimonq2> pleia2: hmm, I didn't think you needed to sign the CLA o upload to your own store
[21:26] <tsimonq2> pleia2: but besides that point, it says that you need to use Ubuntu's store
[21:26] <tsimonq2> pleia2: which is wrong
[21:26] <pleia2> well, realistically speaking there aren't any third party snap stores
[21:26] <pleia2> dustin's article speaks in hypotheticals as a response to criticism
[21:27] <pleia2> we can leave an editorial disclaimer in our summary, but I think the article still has a lot of valuable points
[21:28] <tsimonq2> pleia2: alright
[21:32] <tsimonq2> pleia2: wow, including me and you, we had seven contributors to the newsletter this week!
[21:32] <pleia2> yeah :D
[21:32] <pleia2> after the epic fail that was pleia2-writes-everything there has been an uptick
[21:32] <tsimonq2> pleia2: \o/
[21:33] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I would link to Dustin's article in the editorial note
[21:33] <pleia2> I'll think about it, that makes it a bit longer than I'd like, and we've already reported on his article
[21:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ruh roh, register wall: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3091884/linux/review-ubuntu-server-16-04-lts-shines.html
[21:34] <tsimonq2> alright
[21:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2: similar to the paywall :P
[21:34] <pleia2> sigh, we'll have to delete it
[21:34] <pleia2> it was free earlier this week, but I guess it expired
[21:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2: done
[21:34] <tsimonq2> or maybe you registered? ;)
[21:34] <pleia2> nope
[21:35] <pleia2> a lot of these pay/register wall things have a free period
[21:35] <pleia2> it's hit is a few times
[21:35] <tsimonq2> oh really? huh
[21:37] <pleia2> yeah, usually 5 to 7 days
[21:37] <tsimonq2> pleia2: other than that, it has a 👍 from me, all the summaries are done! (not an editorial 👍, it's just that the summaries are a  all done :P)
[21:38] <pleia2> M?
[21:38] <tsimonq2> pleia2: that's a thumbs up unicode symbol
[21:38] <pleia2> oh, haha
[21:42] <tsimonq2> grrr wiki
[21:43] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I was going to edit those style guidelines but the wiki doesn't like me right now :(
[21:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: edited, how does it look?
[21:59] <pleia2> lgtm
[22:03] <tsimonq2> pleia2: \o/


[10:43] <BlackDex> How can i force juju to use a specific interface as it's juju bridge?
[18:52] <bryanruiz> ok.. im completely new to this..  just figured out to juju ssh but now im trying to understand how to ssh to my openstack instance..  not even sure if this is the right channel to ask
[18:52] <bryanruiz> do i need to "juju ssh" into my controller and then ssh from there?


[10:26] <josh1456> Hi
[10:26] <josh1456> Hello
[10:27] <josh1456> I want to add a UNR netbook compatibility list to ubuntu wiki, can someone please guide me to where I can start?


[13:50] <Guest6696> Hey guys, I want to set up an Ubuntu mirror and was wondering what the recommended specifications would be for the server, apart from the storage and bandwidth requirements mentioned in the wiki
[14:15] <Berge> Guest6696: Depends on expected use, of course
[14:15] <Berge> But generally, serving static content over HTTP is something modern computers are very good at
[14:16] <Berge> It's easy to saturate 10Gbit/s links with a single core.
[14:34] <Guest6696> Berge I plan to make it a public mirror and also mirror a couple of other distributions if I am able to. Assuming that I have to buy all the hardware from scratch, you say something like an Epyc 7313(p) will be overkill?
[14:35] <Berge> Guest6696: Very, very much so
[14:35] <Berge> What sort of bandwidth are you looking at?
[14:36] <Berge> I wouldn't be surprised if you could do 10Gbit/s of static HTTP serving on a Raspberry Pi these days.
[14:37] <Berge> Changes a bit if you want to do TLS, but not too much, since all relevant CPUs will have AES-NI support
[14:37] <maswan> You'd need better pcie nic for the pi
[14:37] <Berge> It's got USB3, doesn't it?
[14:37] <maswan> exactly
[14:38] <Berge> I can never remember USB3 speeds, but maybe you'll need 3.1
[15:00] <Guest6696> Berge currently have 1Gbps, trying for 10Gbps
[15:01] <Guest6696> ok, so ig I am better off with cheaper or older components. Ig not much of ram would also be required then?
[15:01] <Berge> Guest6696: IO will be much more important than CPU
[15:02] <Guest6696> Oh okay. Currently looking at getting 3-4 ironwolfs and setting up a RAID
[15:02] <Berge> Will you be using spinning rust?
[15:02] <Berge> right
[15:03] <Berge> A reasonable RAID5 would do, probably
[15:03] <Berge> But beware of premature optimization here
[15:03] <Berge> Very few mirrors actually operate at multi-gigabit
[15:04] <Berge> But the more RAM, the less needs to be read from disk.
[15:04] <Guest6696> Oh will look into it. Thanks for the headsup
[15:07] <Guest6696> Also the wiki says I would need ~1.5TB of storage space as of today. How much does this increase YoY?
[16:30] <Ravage> Guest6696: my current folder is about 1.6T. so i would maybe go with 2TB for Ubuntu
[16:30] <Ravage> debian is 1.7 atm as a reference
[16:31] <Ravage> that does nr include the security repos