[12:23] <Munchor> Hi is there a bzr command that prints out every revision number and its commit message on the terminal?
[12:26] <Munchor> oh found it, 'bzr log', thank you
[13:44] <mathrick_> jelmer: so it seems that git dpush retroactively erases file-ids somehow, and makes the tree root be TREE_ROOT. How's that possible at all (I thought file ids were a part of the commit, and thus immutable)?
[14:01] <maxb> Normally yes, but the d in dpush is 'destructive'
[15:44] <mathrick_> maxb: hmm, so it basically replaces the true history with one rebased onto the remote?
[16:48] <jelmer> mathrick_: yes, that's why it's a separate command
[16:49] <jelmer> mathrick_: you can prevent that behaviour with --no-rebase
[16:49] <mathrick_> jelmer: any way to have a tree I push to git and be able to join it with another git-backed tree?
[16:50] <jelmer> mathrick_: I don
[16:50] <jelmer> 't think that works at the moment
[16:50] <mathrick_> damn
[16:50] <jelmer> not without "proper" push support, which I never finished for bzr-git
[16:50] <mathrick_> and "at the moment" seems to be here to stay :\
[16:51] <mathrick_> I really don't want to use git to interact with git trees
[16:52] <jelmer> mathrick_: it'd be great if somebody could take over bzr-git maintenance
[16:52] <mathrick_> jelmer: I don't think I could do it without understanding git really well, which kinda defeats the purpose of using bzr-git to avoid touching git
[16:53] <mathrick_> lemme tell you, the result of DVCS wars don't make me happy a single bit
[16:53] <mathrick_> *results
[16:54] <mathrick_> jelmer: what's lacking in "proper" git push support?
[16:54] <jelmer> support for lots of corner cases
[16:55] <mathrick_> sounds like understanding git very well is mandatory for those
[16:59] <mathrick_> jelmer: another thing, which is very hard to glean, is there anyone doing anything at all with bzr still? I know that the canonical team has been effectively disbanded, but do you have any idea if anyone remains working on it in spare time, or if anyone from the outside came?
[17:02] <mathrick_> to be honest, it's not even possible to guess, without some very extensive googling, that the project is effectively dormant
[17:16] <jelmer> mathrick_: yes, hacking on bzr-git requires knowledge of both bzr and git internals
[17:17] <jelmer> mathrick_: there isn't really a way around that :-)
[17:17] <jelmer> I think the commit logs, the bug tracker and the mailing list archives show a correct picture
[17:17] <jelmer> bzr isn't dead - there are still things happening - but at a rate that's much lower than before
[18:37] <SamB> wow, there seem to have been several commits to lp:bzr in may
[18:41] <Jayden> Hi all.  I just started using bzr ... to checkout the src to a project I'm interested in (fwiw, MariaDB).  I'm having a heck of a time checking-out the entire repo; keep getting "Connection Timeout: disconnecting client after 300.0 secondse 1178175/1178175" at various points/times.
[18:42] <Jayden> Is there a 'resume' command in bzr? Starting over each time is getting me nowhere fast.
[18:46] <SamB> -r might help?
[18:48] <SamB> like, start with -r 100 and then pull with gradually increasing numbers
[18:49] <Jayden> SamB: Hi.  How would pulling a specific revision help?
[18:52] <Jayden> ah, missed your comment.  I suppose that could work; worth a try.
[18:56] <Jayden> SamB_: Looks like a working, if clunky, solution.  Thanks!


[12:36] <tgm4883_> in grub, if i want to see whats happening during boot, do i remove quiet, splash or both?
[12:37] <majoridiot> both
[12:37] <majoridiot> i think
[12:38] <tgm4883_> ok
[12:38] <tgm4883_> i will try that
[12:40] <tgm4883_> wholey crap
[12:40] <tgm4883_> holey?
[12:40] <tgm4883_> does that go into a log somewhere
[12:40] <tgm4883_> i can't read that fast
[12:41] <majoridiot> hehe
[12:41] <majoridiot> look at the logs in /var/log
[12:41] <majoridiot> syslog, messeges, debug, etcc.
[12:41] <superm1> /var/log/messages for the most part
[12:43] <tgm4883_> wow
[12:43] <tgm4883_> guess i should get downloading
[12:43] <majoridiot> ?
[12:43] <tgm4883_> i am going to try to transfer these to a flashdrive
[12:43] <tgm4883_> my desktop has become severly unstable
[12:43] <tgm4883_> hard locks
[12:44] <majoridiot> :(
[12:45] <tgm4883_> at least my mythtv box is getting better :)
[12:46] <majoridiot> :)
[12:47] <superm1> man majoridiot are we losing u here?
[12:47] <superm1> all these windows boxen
[12:47] <majoridiot> yeah :(
[12:47] <majoridiot> but they both are going home with feisty DVDs
[12:47] <majoridiot> :D
[12:48] <superm1> what you should be doing is setting up feisty on them with xp or vista in a VM :)
[12:48] <majoridiot> XP install today.  thank god.  i couldn't take one more vista nag prompt.
[12:49] <superm1> ah
[12:49] <majoridiot> built a new box yesterday and put vista on it.  bcking up a win98 box and putting XP on it tonight.
[12:50] <majoridiot> kinda depressing, but it's nice side cash.
[12:50] <majoridiot> superm1: have you seen the two new plugin pages?
[12:51] <superm1> majoridiot, i'm gonna run off to work.  if you see rogue780 stop in later, could you ask how much more he wants to put into the usplash's, i've got packaging ready to drop his in.  just need them in the appropriate sizes (1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, 640x400, 1365x768 scaled to 1024x768)
[12:51] <superm1> majoridiot, na i havent as of yet.
[12:51] <superm1> majoridiot, ill look after work though
[12:51] <majoridiot> how much more work he wants to put into them?
[12:51] <majoridiot> k
[12:52] <tgm4883_> arg
[12:52] <superm1> majoridiot, well if he has any other changes
[12:52] <superm1> or if he thinks they are ready
[12:52] <superm1> to go into gutsy
[12:52] <majoridiot> yes
[12:52] <majoridiot> got it
[12:53] <majoridiot> sending an email
[12:53] <superm1> k ctach ya later.  have fun with that xp thing :P
[12:53] <tgm4883_> email is overrated, i prefer the pony express
[12:54] <tgm4883_> there is something way wrong here
[12:55] <majoridiot> ?
[12:55] <tgm4883_> i think i may have found a situation that goes against superm1's theory of there is no problem that needs a reinstall
[12:56] <tgm4883_> we'll try recvery mode
[12:56] <majoridiot> what's going on?
[12:56] <tgm4883_> the computer hard locks up randomly, although it seems to be becoming more frequent
[12:56] <tgm4883_> once in gnome i can't even click on the start menu
[12:57] <tgm4883_> sometimes gnome doesn't even finish starting
[12:57] <tgm4883_> its pretty hardcore
[12:57] <majoridiot> what are the logs telling you?
[12:58] <tgm4883_> not much, of course i cant read logs for beans
[12:59] <tgm4883_> i see warnings and stuff, and i know thats bad
[12:59] <tgm4883_> but i can't seem to find the where the computer starts to boot, so i will know what happened right before that
[01:01] <majoridiot> the boot will look something like this: Apr 23 14:27:49 incinerator syslogd 1.4.1#18ubuntu6: restart.
[01:01] <majoridiot> in /var/log/messages
[01:01] <majoridiot> everything should be timestamped
[01:01] <tgm4883_> although now i have renamed the /var/log/messages via the recovery console.  Im going to restart and try to get it to crash (shouldn't be that hard)
[01:01] <tgm4883_> ok
[01:04] <tgm4883_> arg
[01:11] <tgm4883_> sure, now when i want it to lock up, nothing
[01:11] <majoridiot> maybe it just didn't like that log
[01:11] <majoridiot> LOL
[01:11] <majoridiot> or got jealous that the mythbox was getting so much attention
[01:11] <tgm4883_> maybe, but it wasn't large by any means
[01:12] <tgm4883_> lol
[01:12] <tgm4883_> although reading through /var/log/messages, it does seem i messed a few things up
[01:13] <majoridiot> sudh as?
[01:13] <majoridiot> such
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:44 poseidon dhcdbd: Started up.
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:44 poseidon dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:44 poseidon dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:46 poseidon kernel: [   42.259811]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 0 at 1:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:46 poseidon kernel: [   42.261337]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 1 at 1:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:46 poseidon kernel: [   42.262645]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 1:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:48 poseidon dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domain
[01:14] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:48 poseidon dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers
[01:14] <tgm4883_> i agree
[01:15] <majoridiot> did you install some redhat rpms for some reason?
[01:15] <tgm4883_> no
[01:15] <tgm4883_> this is almost a fresh feisty install
[01:15] <tgm4883_> just some upgrades
[01:15] <tgm4883_> and any extra software was installed via apt-get
[01:16] <tgm4883_> then i get this a little later
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): starting (version <IP_ADDRESS>), pid 5925 user 'thomas'
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/thomas/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 3
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:54 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/var/lib/gconf/defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 4
[01:16] <tgm4883_> Apr 23 16:08:58 poseidon gconfd (thomas-5925): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/thomas/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0
[01:17] <tgm4883_> it wont lock up now, but the only thing i changed was that log file,  and it was a measly .5 Mb
[01:17] <tgm4883_> previous ones being 2Mb +
[01:18] <majoridiot> what is "poseidon?
[01:18] <tgm4883_> name of computer
[01:18] <tgm4883_> perhaps that is the problem, i need to submerge the computer in water?
[01:19] <majoridiot> mayhaps so.  it's too dry?
[01:19] <majoridiot> did all of this begin after an update?
[01:19] <tgm4883_> i dont think there have been any updates to feisty yet
[01:20] <tgm4883_> it is probably due to something i did
[01:20] <majoridiot> well... what have you been doing to it?
[01:20] <tgm4883_> lets see
[01:21] <tgm4883_> let me break down the logs i posted
[01:21] <tgm4883_> I think anything having to do with eth0 is because i switched my eth1 to eth0 after i removed my eth0 adapter
[01:22] <tgm4883_> i do not know what gconf or the i2c problems are
[01:22] <tgm4883_> and in installed vmplayer
[01:23] <tgm4883_> and I think thats about when all this started, when i was fixing my eth0 problem
[01:23] <majoridiot> looks that way, yes.
[01:23] <tgm4883_> oh wait, i also installed a bluetooth adapter
[01:23] <tgm4883_> and today i was trying to get NFS working
[01:24] <tgm4883_> i changed the eth1 to eth0 by editing /etc/iftab
[01:24] <tgm4883_> which contains the persistent names to network interfaces
[01:25] <tgm4883_> all i did there was delete eth0 and its mac address and then change the 1 to 0 in eth1
[01:26] <tgm4883_> I had thought that this was a bug in the beta as it happened a few times back then (not this frequently though)
[01:26] <tgm4883_> i didn't have the bluetooth or vmware player installed back then
[01:28] <majoridiot> that's a lot of change
[01:28] <majoridiot> s
[01:28] <tgm4883_> i suppose
[01:29] <tgm4883_> its funny that i cant get it to lock up now
[01:29] <tgm4883_> maybe if i just always want it to lock up, it will never lock up again
[01:29] <majoridiot> :)
[01:29] <majoridiot> wish for the worst
[01:29] <tgm4883_> yea
[01:30] <tgm4883_> im starting to hate logs
[01:30] <tgm4883_> but just cause i have been looking at so many lately
[01:30] <tgm4883_> i would hate it even more if there were no logs
[01:31] <majoridiot> yup.
[01:31] <majoridiot> i gotta take off for awhile... biab.


[02:38]  * daftykins hits the big red button re: saint
[03:54] <wileee> lol 'dear'
[03:55] <daftykins> :)
[03:55] <daftykins> i need that amusing gif on a trigger
[03:55] <cfhowlett> what the heck did I just read?
[03:55] <wileee> male brain takes till around 25 to fully develop
[03:56] <wileee> girls average at 23
[04:08] <daftykins> for a 21 year old that guy sounds like an aspie 12 year old wanting all the answers at once ¬_¬
[04:09] <cfhowlett> and the trolling begins ...
[04:14] <daftykins> from whom?
[04:15] <cfhowlett> daftykins, helpmeubuntu got a bit frustrated and threw out a fud comment.  then he stopped so ... not really trolling, just frustrated.
[04:16] <daftykins> ah yes
[04:16] <daftykins> oh dear, and now with the social labels
[04:16] <daftykins> "i'm this so i get to act this way" oh dear :)
[04:16] <cfhowlett> yeah, that's not happening either
[04:16] <daftykins> anywho time to head off, g'night folks :)
[04:17]  * daftykins punches his time card
[04:17] <wileee> later gator
[04:18] <wileee> sharpen the teeth when off
[22:05] <daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/08/intel-memory-sinkhole-flaw/
[22:05] <daftykins> nasty
[22:08] <OerHeks> hardwarebugs, the only way to prevent these, is running a VM.
[22:09] <daftykins> i dunno, if you have hardware VT on it might still be able to sneak in
[22:09] <OerHeks> old news, there are more such nasty bugs known, some are not in Xeon or Celeron.
[22:10] <OerHeks> true, escape from any container.
[23:55] <daftykins> this SolarNRG guy is a total nut job
[23:55] <daftykins> 'share the root password' wat
[23:58] <OerHeks> yeah, cbwyas (come back when you are sober)
[23:58] <OerHeks> hi EriC^^
[23:58] <EriC^^> hi OerHeks
[23:59] <OerHeks> please add this channel to autojoin, thanks :-P
[23:59] <daftykins> how do people not know that they're bot triggers O_O
[23:59] <EriC^^> hehe, will do


[01:27] <dmcglone1> Hi everyone
[01:46] <Cheri703> hi
[01:49] <dmcglone1> Hi Cheri703 earlier I was at the doctor, I see that you wrote "I love that stuff" what was you referring to?
[02:07] <canthus13> blargh.
[02:19] <dmcglone> blargh blargh
[02:23] <dmcglone> I've got stackes of unlabeled CD's I gotta go through :-/
[02:24] <canthus13> Heh. I hate that. :P
[02:25] <canthus13> Freaking mystery CDs.
[02:26] <dmcglone> yeah
[02:34] <dmcglone> so far I've found like 4 10.10 CD's I forgot I had
[02:34] <dmcglone> lol
[02:36] <canthus13> Wow.
[02:36] <canthus13> I did that 'til I started using USB install for everything.
[02:37] <dmcglone> Thats what I'm gonna do. I didn't know about the USB install until I got my netbook a few months ago :-/
[02:38] <Cheri703> my alerts on xchat are being weird tonight
[02:38] <dmcglone> what are they doing?
[02:40] <Cheri703> not showing up sometimes
[02:46] <dmcglone> I see
[02:51]  * canthus13 never has that problem.
[02:56] <dmcglone> neither do I ;-)
[02:59]  * canthus13 hugs irssi. :)
[03:05] <Cheri703> yeah yeah
[03:06] <Cheri703> I've been having various little issues while running from my external hdd
[03:06] <Cheri703> but my netbook should be shipping back tomorrow :) not sure when I'll get it, but still :)
[03:10] <dmcglone> well got that done pretty quick
[03:10] <dmcglone> most of the CD's were just backup's that I already have
[04:49] <SkrappJaw> Cheri703: You lurking?
[04:49] <SkrappJaw> Cheri703_: You lurking?
[04:50] <Cheri703_> yuppers
[04:50] <SkrappJaw> sweet
[04:50] <SkrappJaw> hey, remember we talked about a different day for Ubu hour?
[04:50] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:51] <SkrappJaw> I'm gonna be doing more with the my churches worship team and we use thursdays for rehearsal.
[04:52] <Cheri703> ok, are you coming this week?
[04:55] <SkrappJaw> Ya.
[04:58] <Cheri703> kk, we can talk about it then. I would be open to doing it a different night
[04:58] <SkrappJaw> coolies
[04:58] <Cheri703> I think Unit193 has said mondays don't work for him, so probably tuesday? that seems most likely
[05:01] <SkrappJaw> ya
[05:01] <SkrappJaw> that would be gool
[05:01] <SkrappJaw> good*
[05:02] <SkrappJaw> tues works for katie also.
[05:04] <Cheri703> kk, we can probably do that
[05:04] <Cheri703> we'll discuss further on thursday :)
[05:12] <SkrappJaw> right on.
[05:34] <Cheri703> blargh
[05:38] <canthus13> ++
[05:39] <canthus13> Nice storms tonight...
[05:41] <Cheri703> yeah
[05:44] <paultag> really rough out
[05:46] <canthus13> Not *that* bad... I've seen worse.  Hell, I've seen lots worse here in ohio.
[05:53] <Cheri703> yeah
[06:06] <Cheri703> I need money :(
[06:30] <canthus13> :(
[06:30] <canthus13> Me too.
[06:30] <canthus13> We could knock over a liquor store...
[06:34] <Cheri703> might work
[06:34] <canthus13> My stupid dog is barking at the lightning...
[06:34] <Cheri703> :/
[06:34] <Cheri703> that's fortunately the ONE thing my dogs don't bark at
[06:34] <Cheri703> that and doorbells
[06:34] <Cheri703> we've never had one, so they have NO association with it
[06:34] <Cheri703> our dogs growing up would bark if they heard one on tv
[06:38] <canthus13> Mine does too.
[06:38] <canthus13> Of course... she's getting senile now.  she gets lost walking across the living room sometimes.
[06:39] <Cheri703> :/
[06:39] <Unit193> TWC, I hate/love you....
[07:11] <Cheri703> why's that Unit193 ?
[07:12] <Cheri703> I'm having temperature issues and I'm annoyed
[07:15] <Unit193> Love: 500+KB/s Hate: Going to hate it in 2 weeks when it's removed...
[07:15] <Cheri703> why are you getting rid of it?
[07:15] <Unit193> TWC gave a free speed upgrade
[07:15] <Cheri703> ah
[07:16] <Unit193> Normal is 90+/-
[07:17] <Unit193> Didn't you get it?
[07:18] <Cheri703> ?
[07:18] <Unit193> "Speed Preview – April 20-30"
[07:21] <Cheri703> no idea. I haven't noticed a difference
[07:21] <Cheri703> we normally have like 10kbps or something
[07:21] <Cheri703> bah Mbps
[07:29] <canthus13> Meh. most people can't tell the difference between 4mbit and 50mbit.  The average user browses the web and that's about it.
[07:30] <canthus13> Even the average power user isn't ognna tell the difference between 10 and 20 unless they're paying attention to their download speeds.
[15:55]  * Derath-Srvr yawns
[17:14] <thafreak> YO!
[17:17] <paultag> yo thafreak
[17:34] <thafreak> ok, so who here is up on their black hat skillz...
[17:38] <thafreak> set up a separate dmz net at home...I want to make sure bad guys can't get out of the dmz net...
[17:41] <thafreak> so has openvas replaced nessus?
[17:42] <thafreak> where's canthus13 when you need him...
[17:42] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:01] <canthus13> right here.
[18:01] <canthus13> but Not really... OpenVAS is the FOSS version of Nessus. Nessus is still quite active.
[18:02]  * canthus13 is just now getting into using OpenVAS.
[18:03] <thafreak> so nessus wasn't opensource?
[18:03] <canthus13> Nope.
[18:04] <thafreak> huh, I never knew...
[18:04] <canthus13> It has a really obnoxious registration process that allows free personal use, but requires you to reregister with each install. (Which sucks if you use virtual machines and wipe 'em out a lot...)
[18:05] <canthus13> That happens a lot because I break acktrack all the time.
[18:06] <canthus13> backtrack*
[18:17] <thafreak> I'm grabbing backtrack now...
[18:21] <Cheri703> paultag: http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/04/20/funny-facebook-fails-pass-the-butter  (and yes, I'll likely keep sending you paula deen things when I see them :) )
[18:27] <paultag> Cheri703: ahhhhhh!
[18:27] <paultag> Cheri703: she haunts my dreams
[18:28] <Cheri703> :D sorry
[18:28] <paultag> creepy little bum :)
[18:28] <paultag> Cheri703: oh no :)
[18:48] <Cheri703> I can't help it, you are forever associated with paula deen in my mind paultag :)
[19:03] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[19:03] <Cheri703> I want/need to put 3rd party firmware on a crappy netgear router
[19:06] <Unit193> Cheri703: http://tomatousb.org/doc:build-types and if it's not there: http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database
[19:09] <Cheri703> neither :(
[19:09] <Cheri703> I need to make it be a wireless bridge
[19:14] <Cheri703> ah, nvm, the current wireless router there is a wrt54g, so I will just put this POS in there and use that as the bridge
[19:17] <canthus13> dd-wrt is simple and easy.  Oh.. which netgear router?
[19:17] <Cheri703> wgr614v6
[19:17] <canthus13> Hmm.. thought the v6 supported dd-wrt.  I have a v7 that doesn't....
[19:17] <Cheri703> yeah, as long as the wrt54g isn't v7 (apparently) we should be good with that
[19:17] <Cheri703> nope, v8 does
[19:18] <canthus13> Ah. work in progress.
[19:19]  * canthus13 has an e2000 and a WRT300N with DD-wrt installed.
[19:20] <canthus13> I would have returned the e2000 if DD-wrt hadn't worked.. stupid thing was dumping my laptop every 5 minutes with the stock firmware.
[19:20] <Cheri703> yeah, my router is one version off from supporting it :( next one will DEFINITELY support it
[19:21] <canthus13> Cheri703: the linksys e2000 supports it well. I was quite surprised. :)
[19:22]  * canthus13 picked one up for about 65 bucks at wal-mart the other day.
[19:22] <Cheri703> good to know :) I put it on my dad's old belkin a few months ago, first time using it. tried to convince him I should take it home, but I was setting it up so he could have wifi out in his workshop
[19:22] <canthus13> Belkin is total crap with stock firmware...
[19:28] <thafreak> some routers are coming with dd-wrt pre-installed now
[19:28] <thafreak> mostly the not-so-well-known brands
[19:37] <canthus13> Buffalo does, I think.
[19:38] <canthus13> Yup.
[19:38] <canthus13> http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-n-routers-access-points/
[22:34] <canthus13> Natty has to be the slooooowest install I've ever done.
[22:49] <canthus13> AAAAARGGGH!!! This is slower than a windows install!
[22:50] <Unit193> Went normal for me with Xubuntu...
[22:52] <canthus13> I killed it after 45 minutes and it was still at 30%.   Have fun.
[23:03] <paultag> on my battery-less netbook
[23:03] <paultag> canthus13: aye, will do
[23:03]  * paultag waves
[23:03] <paultag> one love
[23:05] <Cheri703> is it horrible that when paultag says "one love" I think of raising cane's chicken fingers? I LOVE them and I miss them :( there are a few food options that mansfield lacks, and that is a major one
[23:05] <canthus13> Heh.
[23:06] <Cheri703> http://www.raisingcanes.com/
[23:06]  * Cheri703 could do with some chicken fingers right about now
[23:14] <canthus13> decided to try debian netinst to do desktop.....
[23:16] <Cammaaron> hello
[23:16] <Cammaaron> Where everyone at the ubuntu hour at panera bread?
[23:17] <canthus13> ...? What?
[23:18] <Cammaaron> there is suppose to be a columbus ubuntu hour today at the panera bread at OSU
[23:19] <Cammaaron> can't find them
[23:19] <canthus13> Ah.
[23:20] <canthus13> Only event I know about is the loco meeting here at 8pm.
[23:20] <Cammaaron> I know I am 15 minutes late, but I can't them.
[23:20] <Cammaaron> Was it canceled or something?
[23:21] <canthus13> I have no idea. I don't see anything in the ML, though. did you check the loco calendar?
[23:21] <Cammaaron> yes, its on the calender
[23:22] <canthus13> Dunno then.


[18:33] <shadaloo> I am trying to purge it away from system and I cannot even purge it?
[18:33] <Daekdroom> goruka, you can use ccsm to remove all extra workspaces. Then the icon will disappear
[18:33] <shadaloo> how do I rm this kernel?
[18:33] <digitalfiz> didnt have the problem before upgrading to 11.04
[18:33] <Daekdroom> It's under General Options's last tab.
[18:33] <bandit5432> i am not in 11.04 yet
[18:33] <arand> Well, then it must be my mucking about with snapshots has managed to fsck up btrfs to not be compatible with current userspace tools. And this is a system I installed yesterday...
[18:34] <shadaloo> team please help me purge linux-image-2.6.35-25
[18:34] <goruka> Daekdroom, awesome, thanks!
[18:34] <shadaloo> everytime I try to apt-get update this kernel errors failing to process
[18:34] <LarsTorben> shadaloo: sudo apt-get removve linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[18:34] <shadaloo> I tried purge
[18:34] <shadaloo> it errors removing?!
[18:34] <bandit5432> are you running that kernel
[18:35] <bandit5432> what does uname -r say?
[18:35] <shadaloo> no
[18:35] <shadaloo> -22
[18:35] <goruka> Daekdroom, i can't find where to disable that :|
[18:35] <LarsTorben> shadaloo: expert lars: sudo apt-get removve linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[18:35] <shadaloo> two vs?
[18:35] <shadaloo> o.O
[18:35] <Daekdroom> goruka, you should reduce workspaces to only 1.
[18:35] <goruka> Daekdroom, but i can't find where to do that in ccsm
[18:36] <LarsTorben> shadaloo: expert lars hopes helped you
[18:36] <Daekdroom> goruka, General Options, last tab.
[18:36] <hasenj> is there a command to restart the sound service?
[18:36] <bandit5432> LarsTorben, that command you had me run errors out
[18:36] <Daekdroom> If it doesn't show up, you have to click in the > that shows up beside the tab list
[18:36] <bandit5432> what me to repost the output?
[18:36] <goruka> Daekdroom, ah i found it, but it already shows number of desktops as 1
[18:36] <hasenj> I hear weird noises accompanying every sound, hard to describe in written words
[18:37] <shadaloo> LarsTorben: thank you for trying my friend but alas, that does not work
[18:37] <bandit5432> shadaloo, give me the full output of uname -r
[18:37] <LarsTorben> shadaloo: expert lars: hoped i could help you
[18:37] <goruka> Daekdroom, ah i just had to place horizontal and vertical virtual sizes to 1
[18:37] <shadaloo> LarsTorben: no sir
[18:37] <goruka> Daekdroom, the workspace switcher does nto dissapear, though
[18:38] <shadaloo> 2.6.35-22-generic is what I am inside now
[18:38] <LarsTorben> shadaloo: oh why not
[18:38] <goruka> Daekdroom, i click it and shows 1 desktop :)
[18:38] <kdog> bandit5432: Hmm. Now when I log in unity starts up and the top and bottom bar switch back to gnome. Getting closer...
[18:38] <Daekdroom> goruka, ah, must restart unity, I guess :P
[18:38] <LarsTorben> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[18:38] <goruka> Daekdroom, ook
[18:38] <shadaloo> I have 2.6.35-28 installed though
[18:38] <shadaloo> LarsTorben: yes that does not work
[18:39] <shadaloo> I must press further
[18:39] <LarsTorben> oh why not shadaloo
[18:39] <shadaloo> linux tells me
[18:39] <shadaloo> E: sub process /usb/bin/dpkg returned error code 1
[18:39] <goruka> Daekdroom, great, pkill -9 compiz did the trick, thanks :D
[18:39] <LarsTorben> shadaloo did you tried sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic
[18:40] <shadaloo> failed to process .postrm line 328
[18:40] <LarsTorben> ok
[18:40] <bandit5432> shadaloo, are you upgrading to 11.04?
[18:40] <shadaloo> technically I already did
[18:40] <shadaloo> I am running natty now
[18:41] <bandit5432> well i am glad some one can get it to work
[18:41] <shadaloo> I cannot boot into gdm tho xD
[18:41] <shadaloo> restarting
[18:42] <bandit5432> i cant get it to finish installing i have a borked system
[18:43] <bandit5432> hmm do you think restarting when update manager says i have a completely unusable system a good idea?
[18:45] <bandit5432> silence in #ubuntu+1 :X
[18:46] <slyrus_> it would be nice if "Disk Utility" had a facility to format a new drive suitable for installing a bootable system (bootable flag set, swap parition, etc... (?))
[18:48] <bandit63> ok does no one have any ideas to help me?
[18:49] <bandit63> should i go back to #ubuntu and see if i can not say i was upgrading and am now getting errors?
[18:50] <bandit63> diffrent question when did updated packages start shipping with spaces instead of _
[18:56] <trism> bandit63: I don't think they do, but update manager did change to default to showing descriptions before package names since maverick
[18:56] <bandit63> well i have a ton of files with %3 in my /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:57] <bandit63> xutils-dev_1%3a7.6+1_amd64.deb for instance
[18:58] <bandit63> when is a good time to come back and try and get some help?
[18:58] <trism> bandit63: oh, the actual package name, well %3a is a : not a space, I think %20 is a space
[18:59] <bandit63> well i have never seen a package with a  percent before i am not good with the %#
[18:59] <bandit63> i assumed it was a space maybes it a period
[19:00] <bandit63> i am just trying to figure out how i can finish this upgrade
[19:05] <benzaldehyde> he's having a finish upgrade? why didn't he use a french mirror xD
[19:14] <voidmage> thinking about testing natty. does ubuntu classic still include all the "lost" features in gnome 3 like forcing sleep when you close your laptop?
[19:19] <voidmage> oh, and i read that certain gnome applets don't show in unity. do they still show in ubuntu classic?
[19:23] <bandit-away> benzaldehyde, lol
[19:23] <trism> voidmage: for some applets, you need to make sure gnome-panel-bonobo is installed, or they won't show up (in classic, there are no panel applets in unity, just indicators)
[19:24] <bandit63> so back to my issue how does some one recover from a broken upgrade?
[19:27] <KM0201> bandit63, lol.. that's a goodone
[19:27] <bandit63> i dont get the joke
[19:28] <KM0201> bandit63, recovering from a broken upgrade... :rofl:
[19:28] <bandit63> how about i use the word borked
[19:28] <KM0201> borked, broken.. tomato, tomato
[19:28] <voidmage> reinstall from a fresh beta iso?
[19:29] <KM0201> bingo.
[19:29] <bandit63> thats what i was afraid of
[19:29] <KM0201> and of course he had his machine appropriately backed up before starting the upgrade
[19:29] <bandit63> well i have a dd from 2 hours before the start is that fresh enough?
[19:30] <bandit63> ;)
[19:30] <bandit63> KM0201, you have answers why are packages showing up with %3 in them?
[19:31] <KM0201> bandit63, i'm not really sure...
[19:31] <KM0201> i just installed the beta last night.... but i've had zero problems
[19:31] <bandit63> from my upgrade i have lots of packeages in /var/cache/apt/archives with %3 in them i was wondering if thats not part of the problem
[19:32] <KM0201> hmm, well i clean installed the beta, so maybe thats why i didn't have that problem
[19:32] <bandit63> i thought about doing a clean install
[19:32] <bandit63> of debian
[19:33] <bandit63> :P
[19:34] <bandit63> KM0201,  you running 86 or 86_64?
[19:34] <MTughan> Just installed the Ubuntu Natty beta on a VM here, and tried to update the packages. Got two 404s on ca.archive.ubuntu.com: module-init-tools_3.12-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb. Any cause for concern?
[19:35] <bandit63> try a diffrent mirror
[19:35] <MTughan> Sound idea, but I don't believe I've ever seen something like that.
[19:36] <bandit63> i have even with the main mirrors
[19:36] <MTughan> No, I mean an option to change mirrors.
[19:37] <bandit63> open up update-manager and click on options
[19:37] <bandit63> crap i need a vm to even use normal apps now
[19:38] <MTughan> Ah, there... Thanks.
[19:38] <bandit63> no problem
[19:41] <trism> bandit63: the %3a isn't part of your problem, they are just packages with a : in the version
[19:42] <bandit63> ahh ty for finding that
[19:42] <bandit63> i am downloading the iso and will reinstall :|
[19:43] <bandit63> maybe i will dd the partition back i dont know
[19:54] <jim_> since my upgrade to natty, ubuntu one won't sync. Another has same, we have thread in forum. My current state is no files, contacts, machines but can log in in browser. Any help?
[19:54] <FoolishOwl> Hello. I'm thinking of upgrading to Natty in the next few days. How smooth has the transition been, relative to past distribution upgrades? Any major trouble spots?
[19:55] <benzaldehyde> FoolishOwl: well there is not an upgrade yet
[19:56] <jim_> I upgraded during alpha and it was rocky but am having good luck now that is beta. Has been stable and other than ubuntu one all is working.
[19:56] <jim_> I do like unity. There is upgrade to beta 1 available
[19:58] <benzaldehyde> jim_: there is no upgrade from release to beta
[20:00] <jim_> not sure what you mean benz, I did the upgrade
[20:00] <bandit63> FoolishOwl,  there is the beta which is an upgrade but it borked my system if thats what you are asking
[20:00] <FoolishOwl> benzaldehyde, what do you mean, no upgrade?
[20:00] <bandit63> jim when you install the alpha it contines to update you untill release
[20:01] <benzaldehyde> i tried to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, it won't upgrade to a pre-release
[20:01] <bandit63> benzaldehyde, update-manager -d
[20:01] <jim_> bandit, that is correct and since it updated me to beta and updates to it, all has been good except ubuntu 1
[20:02] <FoolishOwl> Any patterns to reported problems? So far all I've seen are debates about the merits of Unity.
[20:02] <bandit63> i see a question about ubunt one sorry i cant get the update to finish to look into that
[20:03] <benzaldehyde> bandit63: i've tried that it just says No new release found
[20:03] <bandit63> benzaldehyde,  are you running 11.04 ?
[20:03] <benzaldehyde> 10.10
[20:03] <docx_cz_most> Hi
[20:04] <bandit63> FoolishOwl,  i cant get the upgrade to complete
[20:04] <bandit63> FoolishOwl,  it completely hosed my computer
[20:05] <bandit63> benzaldehyde,  type in terminal  cat /etc/issue
[20:05] <docx_cz_most> I asked here few hours ago - is in 11.04b1 option to change default application shortcuts in the box appeared after "button" click (super key) - i mean that 4 icons for web, email, music and photos. Thanks
[20:05] <jim_> I've been working in natty testing and discussion forum, can't say see patterns. update-manager -d worked for my upgrade a few weeks ago
[20:05] <FoolishOwl> bandit63, sorry to hear that.
[20:06] <LarsTorben> somebody who hates the unity ?
[20:06] <benzaldehyde> i have the install cd and even it says error and then flashes a message about how  it doesn't allow upgrades to pre-release, if i were willing to do a install i.e. wipe out my existing system i could install it from the cd but still no upgrade,, i tried gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" and update manager, all that, no upgrade
[20:06] <docx_cz_most> LarsTorben: nobody commands you to use it ;)
[20:07] <benzaldehyde> bandit63: Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l
[20:07] <bandit63> hmmm
[20:07] <LarsTorben> only ask
[20:07] <LarsTorben> only ask
[20:08] <jim_> Lars, I like unity
[20:08] <benzaldehyde> although i am on ppc64 so maybe that has something to do with it
[20:08] <docx_cz_most> LarsTorben: i don't hate you for it.. it is something new, let give it some time ;)
[20:08] <jim_> not sure what to say benz, upgrade went fine for me
[20:08] <FoolishOwl> jim_, okay, sounds good. As long as there isn't a pattern of show-stopping bugs, I'm happy to test the beta.
[20:09] <bandit63> benzaldehyde, i dont think the ppc version is out yet
[20:09] <docx_cz_most> noone know how or where is some conf files of these 4 icons?
[20:09] <benzaldehyde> i have the alternate ppc iso writen to disc
[20:09] <bandit63> is it for 11.04?
[20:10] <benzaldehyde> yes, also have teh desktop ppc 11.04
[20:10] <bandit63> i dont see ppc64 as a choice i see only amd64 or 386
[20:10] <delac> hmm, Dash doesn't seem to recognize "nautilus".  A bug?
[20:11] <benzaldehyde> try different directories
[20:11] <benzaldehyde> daily
[20:11] <jim_> benz, I have seen forum entries of people feeling is best to install from cd instead of upgrade but am unsure of why that preference. don't know why that seems to fail for you.
[20:11] <bandit63> benzaldehyde, i found the ppc release my bad
[20:11] <docx_cz_most> what is "internal" name of unity shell? where I can find some config files (in home dir or etc)?
[20:12] <benzaldehyde> it gave three reasons for not allowing an upgrade, one was that it does not allow upgrading to pre-release and another was if i had installed packages that don't belong to ubuntu
[20:12] <jim_> docx, I believe unity is a flavor of gnome for lack of a better way to say that
[20:13] <FoolishOwl> Installing from CD means you don't have to worry about connectivity during an upgrade.
[20:13] <bandit63> benzaldehyde,  what computer do you have?
[20:13] <delac> docx_cz_most: gconf -> apps -> compiz
[20:13] <benzaldehyde> FoolishOwl: actually you do if you use the alternate cd, it won't go very far without it
[20:13] <FoolishOwl> Well, you don't have to worry as much.
[20:14] <benzaldehyde> the desktop won't try to connect but the alternate install no matter what option chosen it will install the base system and leave you without an installation of packages
[20:14] <jim_> are any of having issues with ubuntu one sync with natty, is my only real issue
[20:15] <benzaldehyde> it
[20:15] <benzaldehyde> it is a playstation 3
[20:15] <docx_cz_most> delac: thanks, but there are only "appearence" settings.. I like to change application shortcuts in "the main search window"
[20:16] <digitalfiz> anyone here using pidgin with 11.04 beta?
[20:16] <delac> docx_cz_most: oh, you mean in the Dash? that's something I'm also trying to find out :)
[20:17] <docx_cz_most> delac: if the Dash is this http://img705.imageshack.us/i/unityshortcuts.png/, yes :)
[20:18] <delac> docx_cz_most: yes, that's Dash
[20:19] <benzaldehyde> i burned about 6 maybe 8 copies of everything i could find for ubuntu ppc. the 10.10, absolutely non of them install from disk, they just hang. 9.10 installs fine as does 10.04 but 11.04 to be honest i probably should have pluged the ethernet cord into the machine
[20:19] <bandit63> benzaldehyde,  look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000797.html
[20:20] <docx_cz_most> delac: I found that "preffered applications" setting affect web and email shortcut, but other two I cant find how to change it
[20:20] <bandit63> looks like no new ubuntu for ps3
[20:20] <benzaldehyde> i have a thread goingon ubuntu forums under the name zoggnoff if you want to know what i have been up to
[20:20] <FoolishOwl> Thanks folks.
[20:21] <benzaldehyde> bandit63: as long as there is ppc64 i'll be alright
[20:22] <bandit63> benzaldehyde,  still wierd you cant upgrade
[20:23] <benzaldehyde> yeah although i did use some debian repositories along the way so maybe i shot myself in the foot
[20:24] <bandit63> i use a bunch of ppa's so i think i did the same thing
[20:24] <bandit63> well i dont know if i should clean install or dd back my 10.10 install
[20:24] <jim_> I think some of the repositories do get disabled when doing the upgrade, some of mine say they were
[20:25] <Milos_SD> Hi
[20:25] <Milos_SD> I have a problem upgradeing to Natty Beta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588710/
[20:25] <syn-ack> Generally third party PPAs are what get disabled upon an online upgrade
[20:26] <benzaldehyde> jim_: the point i'm driving at is that i may have unsupported packages on file and 'that' is likely why it won't upgrade
[20:26] <benzaldehyde> though i can't be sure
[20:27] <syn-ack> Milos_SD, Wow, that's a lot of broken stuff.
[20:27] <syn-ack> Looks to be more or less related to AWN though...
[20:28] <syn-ack> benzaldehyde, That's unlikely. They usually just get disabled upon upgrade
[20:29] <Milos_SD> I know...  And don't know why
[20:29] <syn-ack> benzaldehyde, Admittedly, it would probably be better for you to download an installer and clean install
[20:30] <bandit63> yay fresh installs i have windows again!!
[20:31] <bandit63>  / sarcasm tag
[20:31] <bandit63> that was not very nice of me
[20:32] <bandit63> hope my burner still works
[20:33] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: i actually did do that
[20:34] <bandit63> syn-ack, do you like the new unity interface?
[20:34] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: there were issues with it, most notably the lack of wifi and the videomode was handled differently being a non-ps3 installer, it gave me a 4:3 instead of a 16:3
[20:36] <alket> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu Beta 1, but there is just a blank desktop, I run firefox with alt f2 to get here, what is my problem ?
[20:37] <benzaldehyde> syn-ack: i booted into a 4:3 command prompt of 11.04 with no packages and no dhclient to issue an i[p
[20:37] <bandit63> off to do a fresh install
[20:38] <benzaldehyde> all in all i went back to 10.04 to do the upgrde upgrade which failed
[20:38] <jim_> alket, display was fine all through install till you rebooted?
[20:39] <alket> no jim_ I just waited for a half hour to make sure that it is finished bu I was displayed a CLI environment but with mouse
[20:39] <cdbs> alket: If that's the problem
[20:39] <cdbs> alket: install unity-2d
[20:39] <cdbs> alket: maybe your graphic card doesn't support Unity 3D
[20:39] <alket> but I have supported Nvidia drivers which work fine with maveric
[20:39] <cdbs> alket: some of them have issues with compiz
[20:40] <alket> maybe i should launch the jockey-gtk and install the drivers and then reboot ?
[20:40] <cdbs> alket: install unity 2d, in the meantime you can switch to Classic Desktop from gdm
[20:40] <trijntje_natty> I dont think the drivers for natty are ready yet, is this correct?
[20:40] <cdbs> alket: yeah you can try that
[20:40] <jim_> alket, if you select classic desktop at login does that work?
[20:41] <alket> so if I reboot is there any command that i should execute ?
[20:41] <alket> jim_: I didn't try that
[20:42] <jim_> alket, if that does work, I agree could be you need to try unity 2d
[20:42] <alket> ok I will take your advices. Thank you jim_ cdbs
[20:45] <bandit63> grrr the update from the cd errors out
[20:46] <digitalfiz> if a crash keeps happening throughout the day does it help to keep sending the reports or is it duplicate data?
[20:48] <jim_> keep sending unless is certain is same cause and effect
[20:48] <digitalfiz> compize decorator keeps crashing
[20:48] <digitalfiz> its with different programs open so i dont think its a certain program doing it but maybe with different apps open it will help narrow down whats actually doing it
[20:48] <Milos_SD> is compiz customizable in Unity session ? Can I enable expo, cube, random animations?
[20:49] <jim_> milos, don't think you can
[20:50] <delac> Milos_SD: gconf->apps->compiz. Expo is in use on default. Don't know how sensible it would be to enable cube.
[20:50] <Milos_SD> hmm.... where's freedome in that ? :S
[20:51] <jim_> I only have used workspace switcher from unity bar as works by default and don't know if you can use cube
[20:51] <bandit63> unity is like osx its all for your own good Milos_SD
[20:52] <Milos_SD> bandit63, hahahha :D
[20:52] <wacomm> hellp need help with simple-ccsm on natty
[20:53] <wacomm> anyone??
[20:53] <bandit63> wacomm, its slow around here today
[20:54] <bandit63> i dont know what ccsm is or i would help you or try to
[20:54] <Milos_SD> I have one other question... After every upgrade I did, when I start GIMP, it spams that gui for bug reporting... only way to get rid of it, is to do killall application name
[20:55] <bandit63> whats the question?
[20:56] <wacomm> ccsm is the compiz settings manager
[20:56] <Papaaa> hi
[20:56] <bandit63> hello
[20:56] <Papaaa> jaja
[20:56] <Papaaa> :D
[20:56] <bandit63> oh ok whats the question wacomm
[20:57] <jim_> wacomm, I see a bug notification about simple-ccsm not installable cause dependency conflicts. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-ccsm/+bug/738431
[20:57] <Milos_SD> bandit63, question is: why is that happening? Only when I start gimp. :D
[20:57] <Papaaa> 738431
[20:57] <bandit63> gimp is crashing?
[20:57] <Papaaa> #738431
[20:58] <Milos_SD> bandit63, no ... gimp is working ok. But bug report gui is spamed all the time... only way to get rid of it is to do "killall apport-gtk"
[20:59] <Milos_SD> that happend after upgrade to 10.04, and after upgrade to 10.10... I think it will happend after upgrade to 11.04 too
[20:59] <Milos_SD> :D
[20:59] <bandit63> weird
[21:00] <bandit63> you using normal gimp or one from ppa
[21:00] <Milos_SD> bandit63, and when final version of Ubuntu comes, that stops :D
[21:00] <Milos_SD> one from ppa :)
[21:00] <Milos_SD> 2.7
[21:00] <wacomm> bandit63 I try to install simple-ccsm using apt-get but then get the following errors:
[21:00] <wacomm> Depends: python-compizconfig (>= 0.8.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: compizconfig-settings-manager (>= 0.8.2) but it is not going to be installed
[21:01] <bandit63> wacomm, they posted above about some bugs you might want to look at
[21:03] <bandit63> omg they have turned ubuntu into osx :C
[21:03] <wacomm> yes bandit63 its becoming very graphical, but still runs blazing fast on my 4 yr old toshiba :)
[21:04] <bandit63> crying :'(
[21:04] <wacomm> thanks jim_ but there seems no solution yet
[21:05] <J697> Is Ubuntu 11.04 a good upgrade from 10.10?
[21:05] <J697> Are there many bugs?
[21:06] <guntbert> J697: it only just left alpha status - so don't use it in "production"
[21:06] <wacomm> J697 its very graphical but runs fast enough. Nothing major except for compiz and dropbox
[21:07] <J697> The only thing I plan to do is use a few IDE's and program in Java and C and maybe watch internet videos on youtube, stuff like that
[21:08] <J697> Can it do all of that well?
[21:08] <J697> I looked up Ubuntu 11.04 on youtube and I like the look it has
[21:08] <wacomm> J697 u should be fine doing that
[21:08] <jim_> wacomm, I didn't know about dropbox, I have no sync with unbuntu one I can't seem to fix
[21:09] <jim_> J697, I'm happy with the upgrade
[21:09] <bandit63> they fixed the help on 11.04 at least
[21:09] <wacomm> jim_ dropbox bug is fixable. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/get-dropbox-appindicator-to-work-in.html
[21:10] <wacomm> J697 which IDE do you use for C?
[21:10] <J697> wacomm, Code::Blocks
[21:10] <wolter> what is known about the compiz crashes fixes?
[21:12] <J697> So, what I'm trying to get is, are there any major bugs with 11.04?
[21:13] <delac> J697: for major bugs, check the release notes page
[21:13] <jim_> I'm not up on bug list J697 but certainly no show stoppers for me
[21:13] <delac> J697: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[21:14] <J697> Ok, thanks for all the opinions guys I'm ready for the upgrade in fact, it's already 45% downloaded :)
[21:17] <delac> J697: And you can check for yourself too. Just put it on usb-disk and select large enough storage area. Then you can use that as you would use normal installation and install all the apps you want to test before doing actual installation on the machine.
[21:20] <cg2916> i installed xubuntu and it won't let me log in
[21:20] <delac> cg2916: try empty password?
[21:21] <cg2916> it's not password, i'll type it in, it'll go black for about 10 seconds, then kick me out to the main login screen
[21:22] <delac> cg2916: might be desktop effects crashing then
[21:22] <cg2916> delac: i tried gnome, openbox, and xubuntu as my session, none work and now i'm forced to boot off my flash drive
[21:23] <delac> cg2916: you have all those installed?
[21:23] <delac> cg2916: cg2916 did you try the gnome classic no desktop effects (or something like that)?
[21:24] <cg2916> delac: i'll try
[21:25] <wolter> hm its a shame J697 left without hearing about the compiz crashes
[21:26] <jester7> did someone say compiz crashes?  happening to me constantly.
[21:27] <jester7> Also, sometimes, it seems to make Firefox's unified menu go away
[21:32] <gregL> Does anyone know what kernel will ship with 11.04
[21:32] <tensorpudding> compiz crashes? they're getting less frequent it seems
[21:33] <tensorpudding> the one in the beta is the one that will ship, right?
[21:34] <SwedeMike> if you bug report problems, they might get fixed.
[21:34] <gregL> tensorpudding, I would think so, yes.
[21:35] <tensorpudding> all the big bugs are already triaged
[21:37] <tensorpudding> hmm, is it all java applications lack menu integration into the panel?
[21:37] <tensorpudding> libreoffice seems to have this problem
[21:40] <tensorpudding> another reason to avoid java applications, oh well
[21:41] <bazhang> !info linux
[21:41] <bazhang> gregL, ^
[21:45] <jester7> What is the concensus?  Will most people be using the Unity desktop, or going with Gnome?
[21:45] <wacomm> How do u we revert back to Gnome
[21:46] <delac_> wacomm: select gnome classic from login screen
[21:46] <jester7> wacomm: When you choose your username at login, and menu will pop up on the bottom giving you a choice to login to "Classic Desktop"
[21:46] <guntbert> natty (live CD) looks kind of strange here - no real interface to be seen  -- http://imagebin.org/146319
[21:46] <bazhang> non-unity?
[21:46] <gregL> bazhang, Thanks for that..I did what I should have done in the beginning..I googled for it... Thanks again..
[21:46] <bazhang> have a bad enough video card, like me, I suppose
[21:46] <bazhang> gregL, welcome
[21:47] <jester7> I'm surprised, but I really dig Unity
[21:47] <delac_> guntbert: I dont think VirtualBox supports 3D, which Unity requires. Try to login to gnome classic
[21:48] <Atamisk> cool, but it really isn't for me. i'm glad we still have the choice
[21:48] <guntbert> delac_: I'll try :)
[21:52] <guntbert> delac_: seems not so easy :-(   - do you know how to tell the liveCD to use "classic"?
[21:53] <bazhang> at login screen iirc
[21:54] <bazhang> choose coke classic
[21:54] <bazhang> err gnome classic
[21:54] <delac_> lol
[21:54] <delac_> but yes, at login screen
[21:54] <delac_> first click the user you want
[21:55] <delac_> then at the bottom of the screen, select the appropriate desktop setting
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> Does Natty have a separate Netbook edition, or were they merged now?
[21:55] <delac_> tonyyarusso: yes, they were merged
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> okay, thanks
[21:55] <kdog> tonyyarusso: merged. Just a Ubuntu and Ubuntu Server
[21:56] <guntbert> delac_: bazhang: live CD - so no login screen after booting - what is the command to logout from a gnome-session (from the terminal) ?
[21:58] <guntbert> answering my own question: gnome-session-save --logout
[21:59] <delac_> guntbert: well thats nice, now we know too ;)
[22:00] <guntbert> delac_: spread the gospel :-)
[22:04] <Papaaa> www.snowlinux.de/ ubuntu 11.04 OHNE UNITY OBERFLÄCHE
[22:09] <guntbert> drive-by spammer?
[22:11] <ceed^> Doesn't seem to like Unity that much according to my German (which is very poor)
[22:11]  * ceed^ likes Unity. Doesn't even miss the taskbar! :)
[22:11] <bandit63> i dont like uninty if i wanted osx i would buy a mac
[22:12] <ceed^> bandit63: I almost bought a Mac a couple of years ago, but been on linux for 12 years. Won't quit now :)
[22:13] <thiebaude> ceed^, little over 5 years for me on ubuntu :)
[22:13] <bandit63> i have been using linux for over 10 years and ubuntu for 6
[22:14] <ceed^> thiebaude: The last few years I've been mostly a user. Got tired of breaking and fixing and went Ubuntu :)
[22:14] <thiebaude> i know what you mean,lol
[22:14] <ceed^> I started installing Debian on a HP laptop in 98 using floppies and the dial-up. Took two weeks to get sound! :)
[22:26] <bandit63> lol ceed^
[22:29] <bandit63> bah i hate checking ppa for updates to new releases
[22:29] <bandit63> ppa's
[22:44] <bandit63> any one having weird spin up or downs with 11.04?
[22:44] <bandit63> hard drive that is
[22:45] <syn-ack> ceed^, Man, I did that with Red Hat, though I had to rawrite a boot floppy since my motherboard wouldn't boot from CD
[22:47] <Suhn> Hey
[22:47] <Suhn> Im trying to reinstall grub
[22:47] <Suhn> But the partition wont mount
[22:47] <bandit63> that does not sound good
[22:47] <bandit63> what partition you trying to install it to and how are you booting into the system
[22:48] <Suhn> Ok
[22:48] <Suhn> !grub
[22:48] <Suhn> im using the tutorial
[22:48] <bazhang> its grub2
[22:48] <Suhn> ok
[22:48] <Suhn> wtver
[22:48] <bazhang> hmm?
[22:48] <bandit63> big diffrence
[22:48] <vyoma> Hi. I did an upgrade from "Update Manager" to 11.04 from 10.10. After upgrade, it lets me login, but then it hangs up. I can move the mouse around but cannot click on anything. Does not seem to respond to keyboard commands.
[22:48] <thiebaude> !grub2
[22:49] <Suhn> Ok, thats what i was doing, anyway i cant seem to find teh right partition do do
[22:49] <Suhn> sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
[22:49] <bandit63> Suhn,  you have to mout the partiotn
[22:49] <Suhn> Im trying to
[22:50] <bandit63> type this in terminal fdisk -l /dev/sda
[22:50] <Suhn> yea i did that
[22:50] <bandit63> what does it output?
[22:50] <thiebaude> vyoma, at the log in screen do you have options?
[22:50] <thiebaude> if so alt f1 to restart
[22:51] <thiebaude> had that happen a few times before
[22:51] <Suhn> Says
[22:51] <Suhn> Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB
[22:51] <bandit63> i have to click a name to get the options to show up now'
[22:51] <Suhn> hesres the ones
[22:52] <bandit63> Suhn, it does not show anything like /dev/sda1 ??
[22:52] <vyoma> thiebaude, at log in screen, it allows me to choose my username (or another username I'd setup for my wife). After I type the password, it takes me to the desktop (looks like unity desktop). But there, it does not let me do anything.
[22:52] <Suhn> Yer
[22:52] <Suhn> It has /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3
[22:53] <bandit63> please paste each of the lines for those
[22:53] <Suhn> im not on the same computer
[22:53] <Suhn> im using a live CD so i cant use the internet
[22:53] <bazhang> pastebin
[22:53] <thiebaude> vyoma, when you click your name if look towards the bottom does it give optins like ubntu and classic gnome?
[22:53] <Suhn> I cant get on the internet
[22:53] <vyoma> thiebaude: ah - let me try that after a hard-reboot
[22:53] <bandit63> the internet wont work on the computer you are trying to fix?
[22:53] <thiebaude> ok
[22:53] <thiebaude> :)
[22:53] <Suhn> Im using "try linux"
[22:54] <Suhn> So firefox does not start
[22:54] <bandit63> hmm it should but nvm
[22:54] <Suhn> What exactly am i looking for in the device?
[22:54] <bandit63> filesystem type or mount point
[22:54] <Suhn> at the top of the list
[22:54] <bandit63> you are using the live-cd correct?
[22:55] <Suhn> it says Device Boot    Start      End        Blocks          Id        System
[22:55] <Suhn> those are the titles at the top of each column
[22:55] <bandit63> perfect what does the end column say for al 3
[22:55] <bandit63> all'
[22:56] <mrdeb> where do you control unity options, hiding or size of pane
[22:56] <mrdeb> ?
[22:56] <Suhn> Unknows, HPFS/NTFS, Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[22:56] <Suhn> Unknown*
[22:56] <bandit63> did you install wubi?
[22:56] <bazhang> bandit63, yes
[22:57] <bazhang> bandit63, he/she did an upgrade from wubi
[22:57] <thiebaude> i think ccsm, not quit sure mrdeb
[22:57] <bandit63> ewww
[22:57] <thiebaude> !ccsm
[22:57] <Suhn> i was in 10.10 and i did update-manager -d
[22:57] <vyoma> thiebaude: when I choose my username, below there is a dropdown (dropup?) selection, it has following options: Recovery Console, Ubuntu, Ubuntu classic, Ubuntu classic (no effects), Ubuntu(safe mode), User Defined Session.
[22:57] <bandit63> there is an error i thought with wubi installs
[22:57] <mrdeb> i want to control whether unity hides or not
[22:57] <bazhang> which is explicitly not supported in 11.04
[22:57] <mrdeb> and its size. where is this
[22:57] <thiebaude> try classic no effects,  see what happens after you log in vyoma
[22:58] <thiebaude> did you install your graphics drivers vyoma ?
[22:58] <mrdeb> or addign shortcuts
[22:58] <bandit63> Suhn, what bazhang just said ^^
[22:58] <bazhang> bandit63, he/she knows this
[22:59] <Suhn> Yea, can i still reinstall grub?
[22:59] <bazhang> yes
[22:59] <bazhang> follow the guide of grub2
[22:59] <bandit63> there is a thread about it somewhere
[22:59] <Suhn> Ok, so which partition am i using
[22:59] <vyoma> thiebaude: I tried Ubuntu (classic no effects) and it works; responds to mouse clicks and keystrokes.
[23:00] <Suhn> i just mounted sda3, the one with Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[23:00] <Suhn> i used sudo mount /dev/sda3
[23:00] <thiebaude> ok, that sounds cool :) vyoma
[23:00] <vyoma> thiebaude: graphics drivers? Hmmm - it was running fine as a 10.10 version. So, not sure.
[23:00] <thiebaude> ok
[23:00] <Suhn> is sda3 ok?
[23:00] <vyoma> thiebaude: so you think my system is not able to handle Unity ?
[23:00] <bandit63> Suhn,  i never do wubi installs
[23:00] <Suhn> Im in a live CD
[23:00] <bandit63> so any help i try to give probably will not help you out
[23:01] <Suhn> Reinstalling grub
[23:01] <thiebaude> i did not need my nvidia graphics drivers cos im not doing compiz unity vyoma
[23:01] <Suhn> The only thing i need to know is if the partition is right to install grub2
[23:01] <thiebaude> just classic gnome-no effects
[23:01] <mrdeb> when apps open, the menu hides.
[23:01] <mrdeb> this is annoying
[23:02] <vyoma> thiebaude, thanks though. Now it is not a brick and it works, I'll check out the graphics drivers to get Natty working with Unity.
[23:02] <bandit63> i didnt realize you used grub2 with wubi installs
[23:02] <thiebaude> ok your welcomed :)
[23:04] <bandit63> Suhn, can you boot into windows still?
[23:04] <Suhn> Alright, what happened was when i updated to 11.04 from 10.10. It prompted for a restart of the computer, When i get to the boot screen to select between windows or ubuntu, i select ubuntu and i get a screen for a half second that says something about not finding wubilder
[23:04] <Suhn> and then the computer restarts right away
[23:05] <bandit63> but can you boot to windows ?
[23:05] <mrdeb> is there a reason why booting takes longer tahn 10.10
[23:06] <bandit63> Suhn, i dont even know how wubi works
[23:07] <Suhn> I dont either
[23:07] <mrdeb> 870mb of used ram
[23:07] <Suhn> but im tyring to install grub2
[23:07] <mrdeb> lol
[23:07] <Suhn> thats what i need help with
[23:07] <thiebaude> mrdeb, i had that problem before
[23:07] <Suhn> I have had multiple people say to do this. Will you help me with this?
[23:07] <thiebaude> the ram usage
[23:08] <bandit63> to do what reinstall grub2
[23:08] <Suhn> Yes, reinstalling grub2 the right way
[23:08] <bandit63> thats simple to do but i dont now how grub works with wubi to be able to help you
[23:09] <bandit63> let me look at a couple things real quick
[23:09] <Suhn> bandit
[23:09] <Suhn> Which partition should i use. sda1 sda2 or sda3
[23:10] <mrdeb> this is itneresting. application windwos randomly turn blank
[23:10] <bandit63> i am looking up information on this
[23:10] <mrdeb> lol
[23:15] <mrdeb> ok good. got wobbly windows back and bar does not hide
[23:15] <Suhn> bandit63, Can we just try this GRUB2 installation process. i was on here earlier and everyone said this is what i need to do
[23:16] <delac_> Suhn: have you installed your Ubuntu with wubi?
[23:16] <mrdeb> the unity settings should be installed by default. also applications should be shown in the unity menu instead of clicking multiple windwos
[23:16] <Suhn> I installed my old ubuntu 10.10 with wubi
[23:17] <delac_> Suhn: in release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta, there is this line: #  You cannot upgrade if wubi is installed to a partition other than Windows. (610898)
[23:17] <mrdeb> whereis the workspace configuration
[23:17] <Suhn> Everyone tells me i could just reinstall grub2 dude
[23:18] <delac_> Suhn: might not be enough
[23:18] <Suhn> Can i try?
[23:18] <kujules> :-)
[23:18] <Suhn> Im trying right now
[23:18] <Suhn> i just need to know which partition is the right one
[23:19] <Suhn> I have sda1 sda2 and sda3
[23:19] <delac_> Suhn: how are you trying to reinstall the grub?
[23:19] <bandit63> you can try but you might screw up your whole computer
[23:19] <mrdeb> package depedency could not be resolved
[23:19] <mrdeb> for a suggestd app
[23:19] <Suhn> I booted into a live CD
[23:19] <Suhn> Im in terminal
[23:20] <delac_> Suhn: hmm, does it even work like that?
[23:20] <bandit63> you are nothing if not persistant
[23:20] <delac_> Suhn: is live cd capable of installing to the hard drive?
[23:20] <bandit63> what drive letter is your wubi installed to?
[23:20] <Suhn> Yes, i burned 11.04 onto a dsik
[23:21] <Suhn> this is what the GRUB2 Tutorial says to do
[23:21] <delac_> what tutorial?
[23:21] <Suhn> !grub2
[23:22] <delac_> oh, so it might work
[23:22] <Suhn> Which... partition does Grub2 go on?
[23:22] <Suhn> sda1 sda2 or sda3
[23:22] <delac_> Suhn: well, I gues it's safe to try
[23:22] <delac_> Suhn: on wich partition you have the ubuntu?
[23:23] <Suhn> Im not sure
[23:23] <Suhn> Along the top of the table
[23:23] <Suhn> i have
[23:23] <Suhn> Device Boot   Start   End   Blocks   Id   System
[23:23] <mrdeb> Suhn: it goes to /dev/sda, not a specific partition like sda1
[23:23] <Suhn> ok just sda
[23:23] <bandit63> wait
[23:23] <bandit63> Suhn, wait
[23:23] <delac_> Suhn: unless that is windows partition!
[23:23] <Suhn> It probably is
[23:23] <bandit63> mrdeb, did you see where is using wubi?
[23:24] <bandit63> he is'
[23:24] <Suhn> Yes i used wubi for my initial install
[23:24] <bandit63> you cant just go randomly installing boot loaders
[23:24] <Suhn> yea
[23:24] <bandit63> to what ever disk or partition you want to
[23:24] <Suhn> ok
[23:24] <Suhn> Yea i figured
[23:25] <bandit63> when you boot the computer does it bring up grub for the boot menu?
[23:25] <Suhn> It brought up a selection between ubuntu and windows
[23:25] <Suhn> then i clicked ubuntu
[23:26] <Suhn> and it brought up a list of recovery mode or regular
[23:26] <Suhn> I did was not colorful, just black and white
[23:26] <thiebaude> 023+
[23:26] <Suhn> I can give you info on each partition
[23:26] <Suhn> I just need to know which one to put grub on
[23:26] <thiebaude> oops, foot hit the keyboard,lol
[23:27] <delac_> Suhn: read this before you do that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/610898
[23:27] <delac_> Suhn: and tell us if that corresponds with your problem
[23:28] <voidmage> after updating gnome-terminal, gedit, and nautilus didn't restore correctly using ~/.config/session-state. did this behavior move?
[23:28] <Suhn> Nope i can boot windows
[23:28] <voidmage> actually, my session didn't restore at all
[23:28] <Suhn> you know
[23:28] <Suhn> Should i just uninstall ubuntu with wubi?
[23:29] <bandit63> Suhn, can you still boot into windows?
[23:29] <Suhn> Yes
[23:29] <bandit63> ok good
[23:30] <Suhn> hmm, i could probably uninstall wubi from windows, then procede to install grub with the live cd
[23:30] <mrdeb> yes
[23:30] <mrdeb> and do not boot to live. install from initial menu
[23:30] <bandit63> no dont install grub!!!!
[23:30] <mrdeb> so ur uuid will be set
[23:30] <Suhn> Ok ok, but i cant boot into windows
[23:30] <Suhn> WOOPD
[23:30] <Suhn> I cant boot into ubuntu
[23:30] <Suhn> I CAN boot into windows
[23:31] <bandit63> installing grub onto your mbr is not a good idea win you are running wubi installs
[23:31] <Suhn> Ok
[23:31] <Suhn> then what do i do?
[23:31] <Suhn> It just restarts the PC when i try to use Ubuntu
[23:32] <bandit63> i am trying to look it up
[23:33] <bandit63> when you start up and try to run ubuntu does it bring up choices?
[23:33] <magn3ts> How can I remap Ctrl + Winkey in my keyboard layout?
[23:34] <Suhn> No
[23:34] <Suhn> It just restarts the computer
[23:35] <magn3ts> ?
[23:35] <bandit63> magn3ts, try system prefrences keyboard shortcuts
[23:36] <magn3ts> nope
[23:36] <bandit63> what you trying to set it up to do?
[23:36] <bandit63> Suhn, these grub configs are interesting with wubi
[23:37] <Suhn> ;/
[23:37] <bandit63> there are so many bugs right now with wubi and 11.04 its hard to find the one that will help
[23:37] <bandit63> i am looking though
[23:37] <Suhn> Maybe i should just delete ubuntu and reinstall it
[23:38] <bandit63> do you have files on it that you need to keep?
[23:38] <Suhn> Yea :/  kinda
[23:38] <bandit63> let me look something up real quick
[23:39] <Suhn> What if i just installed 11.04 from the disk
[23:39] <mrdeb> i like how the windows blanks randomly until you click on a menu item
[23:39] <mrdeb> what is the meanign of this
[23:39] <delac_> Suhn: in any case, as you now have the live cd on, it might be good idea to back up all your important data
[23:39] <Suhn> I cant access my files with the live CD
[23:40] <mrdeb> you ahve to chmod
[23:40] <delac_> Suhn: ore use root
[23:40] <bandit63> Suhn, you can access the files actualy
[23:40] <bandit63> want me to help with that
[23:40] <Suhn> Well, if i could just get those back and save them on a flash dirve
[23:40] <Suhn> i only need a few
[23:40] <bandit63> want to try ?
[23:40] <Suhn> yes
[23:40] <bandit63> ok lets do that then
[23:41] <bandit63> first open a terminal
[23:41] <delac_> Suhn: do sudo nautilus on console
[23:41] <bandit63> if you dont have one open already
[23:41] <Suhn> i have it open
[23:41] <bandit63> then sudo mkdir /reccover
[23:41] <Suhn> ok
[23:41] <Suhn> it didnt do antying
[23:41] <Suhn> but it didnt give me an error
[23:41] <bandit63> yes it did
[23:42] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /recover
[23:42] <Suhn> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is alaready exclusively opened
[23:42] <bandit63> that give you any errors?
[23:42] <Suhn> The volume may be already mounted, or another software
[23:42] <bandit63> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[23:43] <Suhn>  may use it which......
[23:43] <Suhn> k
[23:43] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /recover
[23:44] <Suhn> same error
[23:44] <bandit63> sudo mkdir /recover1
[23:44] <bandit63> ok try this
[23:44] <bandit63> sudo umount -l /dev/sda1
[23:44] <Suhn> Ok wait
[23:44] <Suhn> i tried to umount it again
[23:44] <Suhn> and i got
[23:44] <bandit63> ok
[23:44] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /recover
[23:45] <Suhn> cannont umount /dev/sda1 -- /dev/sda3 is mounted over it on the same point
[23:45] <Suhn> thats the error when i did umount agian
[23:45] <bandit63> wow
[23:45] <Suhn> ok i unmounted sda3
[23:45] <bandit63> type in mount
[23:46] <bandit63> does it show sda1 sda2 or sda3?
[23:46] <Suhn> shows sda2 sda3 and sda1
[23:46] <bandit63> where are they mounted?
[23:46] <Suhn> along with loop0 sda1 and sdc1
[23:46] <Suhn> on /mnt type fuseblk
[23:46] <bandit63> all of them?
[23:47] <bandit63> are moutned at /mnt?
[23:47] <bandit63> mounted'
[23:47] <Suhn> yes
[23:47] <bandit63> restart the livecd
[23:47] <Suhn> exept sdc1 which is mounted to /media
[23:47] <Suhn> ok,, takes forever
[23:47] <Suhn> any other way to unmount?
[23:48] <bandit63> you can try umount all of them with sudo umount /dev/sda1 etc
[23:48] <bandit63> but you have errors with that
[23:48] <Suhn> im just going throught them all exept sdc1
[23:48] <bandit63> ok
[23:49] <bandit63> some one else problably has a faster way to do this but they are staying silent :O
[23:49] <Suhn> lol
[23:50] <bandit63> 250 people in the room and it seems just a little quiet to me
[23:50] <delac_> Suhn: can you see those disks on the nautilus?
[23:50] <Suhn> Wait
[23:51] <Suhn> There all mounted over eachother so im just going throuhg in order
[23:51] <bandit63> are they all mounted to /mnt or a directory under mount?
[23:51] <delac_> mounted over eachother?
[23:51] <thiebaude> bandit63, just falling a sleep thats all,lo
[23:51] <bandit63> lol
[23:51] <Suhn> ok there unmounted
[23:51] <voidmage> okay this is stumping me
[23:51] <bandit63> must be in eu or aisa thiebaude
[23:52] <thiebaude> in north carolina
[23:52] <voidmage> can't get my session to restore
[23:52] <Suhn> wahts the restore command again?
[23:52] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda /recover
[23:52] <voidmage> don't see a system->preferences->sessions anymore
[23:52] <voidmage> can't figure out where it could have moved
[23:53] <Suhn> you said sda1 last time
[23:53] <Suhn> is it sda or sda1
[23:53] <bandit63> sda1
[23:53] <bandit63> thats the first partition we are going to check
[23:53] <Suhn> fuse: failed to access mountpoint /restore: no such file or directory
[23:54] <bandit63> sudo mkdir /recover
[23:54] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /recover
[23:54] <Suhn> mkdir: cannot create directory /recover: FIle Exists
[23:54] <bandit63> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /recover
[23:55] <Suhn> worked
[23:55] <voidmage> anyone know how to get back session restore?
[23:55] <bandit63> any one know a faster way to get files from a wubi install or access the files from windows?
[23:55] <syn-ack> you can't access them from Windows
[23:55] <bandit63> Suhn, cd /recover
[23:55] <bandit63> ty syn-ack
[23:55] <syn-ack> you can access NTFS from linux though, so that's about the only way
[23:55] <Suhn> k
[23:56] <bandit63> Suhn, ls -la
[23:56] <bandit63> is there a ubuntu folder listed?
[23:56] <delac_> bandit63: couldnt you just use root nautilus?
[23:56] <bandit63> i dont know
[23:56] <delac_> bandit63: i say you try :)
[23:56] <bandit63> i am trying the way that makes sense to me
[23:56] <Suhn> ok ls -la brought up a bunch of drwxrwxrwx
[23:56] <bandit63> root nautilus mount the drive then how do i mount the wubi file?
[23:57] <bandit63> suhn is there a ubunt folder
[23:57] <bandit63> Suhn, cd ubunt
[23:57] <bandit63> cd ubuntu
[23:57] <Suhn> theres
[23:57] <Suhn> .
[23:57] <Suhn> ..
[23:57] <Suhn> boot
[23:57] <Suhn> Boot
[23:57] <delac_> bandit63: oh right, it's wubi file...
[23:57] <Suhn> bootmgr
[23:58] <Suhn> Recovery
[23:58] <rww> !pastebin
[23:58] <Suhn> System Vulme Information
[23:58] <bandit63> just try cd ubuntu
[23:58] <Suhn> apparently theres no directory
[23:58] <bandit63> type df  -h
[23:58] <bandit63> whats its show for /dev/sda1
[23:58]  * thiebaude steps away from the computer to wash dishes,lol
[23:59] <bandit63> thiebaude, dishes sure making a drink more like it
[23:59] <Suhn> Size Used Avail Use% and Mounted on
[23:59] <thiebaude> haha, for sure
[23:59] <bandit63> yes but just whats availabel
[23:59] <thiebaude> i might pop one soon,lol


[01:54] <thumper> wallyworld: can we chat now?
[01:54] <thumper> start a bit early?
[01:54] <thumper> I have a feeling I'm going to have to run a bit early too
[03:04] <babbageclunk> Does anyone know why the pre-push script was deleted?
[04:41] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: yeah, i was wondering why my commits were going so fast
[12:02] <jam> manadart: so it is worker/machiner that transitions from Dying to Dead, which then tells worker/provisioner that it can StopInstance
[12:03] <jam> and machiner is calling EnsureDead which gives us a chance to make sure we don't go to Dead as long as we HaveVote.
[12:04] <jam> we'd still need something to remove this machine from votingmachineids and machineids.
[12:10] <manadart> jam: Could we make votingmachineids derived for a start?
[12:11] <jam> manadart: so 'votingmachineids' is supposed to be the denormalization of... WantsVote ?
[12:25] <jam> manadart: afaict, 'machineids' is denormalizing JobManageModel, and 'votingmachineids' is denormalizing !novote
[12:38] <manadart> jam: Do we gain more from the denormalisation than we hurt when needing to tear-down?
[12:39] <manadart> jam externalreality: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8517 accommodates feedback to-date including new error messages following our discussion.
[12:40] <jam> manadart: so I think at least one of those denormalizations is useful, as it means peergrouper can watch for changes in that set, rather than having to watch all possible machines
[12:40] <jam> but that's probably only 'machineids'
[12:41] <jam> manadart: votingmachineids doesn't seem to be valuable (to me)
[12:44] <externalreality> manadart, that error message doesn't seem to be too different from what is was before.
[12:50] <manadart> invalid config value for "juju-mgmt-space": machines with no addresses in space "mgmt-space": "0"
[12:50] <manadart> versus
[12:50] <manadart> invalid config "juju-mgmt-space"="mgmt-space": machines with no addresses in this space: 0
[12:51] <manadart> I didn't do the <count> machines have no...
[12:51] <manadart> You have the singular vs plural thing with that.
[12:53] <externalreality> manadart, "there are controller machines that are not in space <space>: 0, 1, 2"
[12:53] <externalreality> That would leave little room for any confusion or ambiguity, no?
[12:54] <externalreality> Its not a hill to die on however, LGTM
[14:42] <jam> balloons: I put together an ugly hack, but it lets me bootstrap on bionic with mongodb-server-core.
[14:42] <jam> balloons: some of it may survive, but I thought you might be interested in testing it.
[14:42] <jam> I sent you an email about it.
[14:44] <balloons> jam, awesome, thanks
[14:58] <hml> one line review anyone?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8522
[14:59] <manadart> hml: Approved.
[15:01] <hml> manadart: ty!
[17:31] <cmars> hi, can i get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8513 ?
[17:31] <cmars> balloons: ^^ ?
[17:31] <balloons> it's on the list cmars
[17:32] <cmars> balloons: awesome, thanks!
[22:39] <thumper> I'm happy now that the team calls have changed times, I can now make lunch time gym class
[22:39]  * thumper rolls
[22:57] <anastasiamac_> anyone keen to review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8519
[22:58] <anastasiamac_> thumper: babbageclunk: wallyworld ^^
[22:59] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac_: yup, looking
[23:00] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: my hero! thnx \o/
[23:30] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: i agree with difficulty of catching everywhere -  we just need to be cautious when reviewing changes to provider/adding new functionality
[23:30] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: adding the conversion on the other side does not help however...
[23:31] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: we wrap errors on our side and if we'd wrap "cred invalid" error, we'd lose its type anyway...
[23:31]  * anastasiamac_ commenting on PR
[23:31] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac_: I think you can't add it higher up (since you need to look for it in some places in the code), but maybe we could add something to the library - everything ends up going through the query method (I think after not very much reading).
[23:33] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: again, the problem is that we wrap errors in our code (after the library calls) and will lose the type.... hence, why StartInstance was not an easy change -  we sometimes expect a typed ZoneIndependent error but for crednetial we actually want it to b a different type...
[23:34] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac_: ? I'm suggesting you convert the problem ones before that though.
[23:34] <anastasiamac_> babbageclunk: can we talk in a-team standup?..
[23:34] <babbageclunk> yes!