[00:00] <kvothetech> Riley_88: no idea then ...i'm stil on grub legacy but you should be able to edit a file like 10-custom somewhere and putin 3.8
[00:02] <usr13> kvothetech: grub2's default is /etc/default/grub
[00:02] <kvothetech> usr13: kk wel i'd put 3.8 in there then
[00:03] <usr13> kvothetech: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/
[00:03] <dr_willis>   it may be a good idea to read up on the grub2 config guides. befor messing with that file. ;)
[00:03] <dr_willis> and  make backups of anything you change.
[00:03] <Riley_88> brb
[00:03] <fractaline> is it best to get rid of kernels not in use?  i noticed i still have many
[00:03] <usr13> kvothetech: I'm wrong, it's   /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:03] <kvothetech> usr13: dr_willis I'm just fine with menu.lst and my old grub :)
[00:04] <dr_willis> old grub iss very annoying in many ways.. grub2 is just annoying in differnt ways
[00:04] <dr_willis> but grub2 can do some amazeing things once you learn it
[00:04] <kvothetech> dr_willis: like? every time i've tried it i ended up at basically an unbootable system...grub1 i just put in what i want in my menu.lst and it goes.
[00:05] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  grub2 can boot iso files.. i use that feature all the time.. its also smarter about what it can boot and with a lot of the newer raid/efi/other new things.. its needed
[00:05] <dr_willis> theres amany more  reasons the grub devs basicvally moved to grub2 ... a
[00:06] <dr_willis> the way menu.lst was formated.. was also very.. weird in many ways
[00:06] <lahwran> if I understand correctly, 10.04 desktop lost support last month. are the repos still fully online, though?
[00:06] <Riley_88> still didnt do it
[00:06] <lahwran> also, where can you find archives of very old ubuntu repos?
[00:06] <Riley_88> usr13 is there a way to just remove the kernel from the lis
[00:06] <usr13> Riley_88: What did you try?
[00:06] <kvothetech> dr_willis: i'm sure theres good reasons too and i'll be forced to some time just..haven't hit that wall :) just like udev and persistant naming..which is'nt persistant but besides that point hs alot of advantages people just hate it
[00:06] <dr_willis> lahwran:  eventually they will get moved to some archive.ubuntu.com server
[00:07] <dr_willis> lahwran:  not sure if they have moved yet or not..
[00:07] <Riley_88> what u had before
[00:07] <Riley_88> list
[00:07] <usr13> Riley_88: WHat version of Ubuntu is it?
[00:07] <Riley_88> 13.04
[00:07] <lahwran> dr_willis: so I could still install and use 7.10 if I wanted to, I'd just have to change /etc/apt/sources.whateveritis in order to do so?
[00:07] <Riley_88> it shows 3.9.2 and 3.8.0-21 generic
[00:07] <lahwran> obviously it'd be crazy to connect such a machine to the internet, but it could be done
[00:07] <Riley_88> then 3 8 19
[00:07] <dr_willis> lahwran:  you could.. but i dont see the reason in using  a 5 year old distro
[00:08] <lahwran> nostalgia, of course :p
[00:08] <kvothetech> lahwran: why would you want to ?
[00:08] <Riley_88> i can get it to boot to lightdm on 3.9.2 but my keyboard and touchpad dont work
[00:08] <lahwran> I just said.
[00:08] <dr_willis> !EOL
[00:08] <dr_willis> the last url there. mentuons the archiuve servers
[00:08] <lahwran> ah, thanks
[00:08] <usr13> Riley_88: what does uname -r say right now?
[00:09] <Riley_88> 3.8.0-19 generic
[00:09] <lahwran> dr_willis: the current situation is I'm mucking with a 10.04 desktop that I don't have time to upgrade, and I just need to test something real quick
[00:09] <Riley_88> i have to manually select it in advanced options
[00:09] <usr13> Riley_88: Which kernel is the one that is broken?
[00:09] <Riley_88> 3.9.2 a
[00:09] <Riley_88> and 3.8.0-21 generic
[00:10] <usr13> Riley_88: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-extra-3.8.0-21-generic
[00:11] <Riley_88> says its not installed
[00:11] <Riley_88> i had to reinstall 13.04
[00:11] <loganlee> can u run linux kernel inside windows?
[00:12] <mdfe> loganlee, You can use virtualbox to run a linux vm from within windows
[00:13] <usr13> Riley_88: pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg  #Send resulting URL
[00:14] <fractaline> is it best to get rid of kernels not in use?  i noticed i still have many
[00:14] <fractaline> sorry for repeat
[00:15] <Riley_88> usr13 http://dpaste.com/1170349/
[00:15] <Birdo> hey everyone I'm having nvidia optimus video driver issues - after installing bumblebee I boot into a command line. Before doing this the xubuntu loading screen had graphic glitches w/ nouveau - and after installing bumblebee I could actually see it, so I think this might be some sort of conflicting driver issue?
[00:15] <anonymou1> How can I create an Ubuntu USB installer from FreeBSD?
[00:15] <gordonjcp> anonymou1: dd if=/path/to/ubuntu/iso of=/path/to/usb/stick
[00:16] <Riley_88> anonymou1 i believe freebsd supports dd
[00:16] <Birdo> btw I'm on Xubuntu 13.04
[00:16] <Riley_88> so u could probably just dd the iso to the flash drive
[00:16] <anonymou1> Ah they're hybrid images?
[00:16] <anonymou1> That makes my life easier.
[00:17] <gordonjcp> they are
[00:17] <anonymou1> Haven't used Ubuntu in a few years.
[00:17] <anonymou1> Interested to see where it's at/
[00:18] <Riley_88> usr13 did u get that
[00:18] <kvothetech> usr13: nsahoo any luck
[00:18] <Riley_88> i should be able to just delete the section
[00:18] <Riley_88> right
[00:18] <kvothetech> Riley_88: yes but like i said i don't use grub2 so no idea...i think you have to run update grub too
[00:19] <kvothetech> Riley_88: bit like lilo but....again could be wrong
[00:19] <mdfe> Riley_88, if you sudo update-grub it should scan for the kernel images and build the boot list
[00:20] <Riley_88> i tried that
[00:20] <mdfe> probably one the kernel images is broken if it's not being added correctly
[00:21] <mdfe> Riley_88, you're holding shift to get a boot menu or letting it autostart?
[00:22] <Birdo> Do I need to blacklist nouveau to get nvidia drivers working? This doesn't automatically happen when you install nvidia drivers?
[00:25] <Riley_88> usr13 are u still there
[00:29] <newbuntu> anyone know why my ubuntu amd64 ISO only has 1 folder? called efi?
[00:30] <dr_willis> you are looking at the boot partition on it perhaps?
[00:30] <dr_willis> instead of the actual datga partition?  ive nevver really tried to mount the iso image lately
[00:30] <newbuntu> opened with ultraISO and says disk is fill 695mb but only EFI folder
[00:30] <dr_willis> how are you examing the iso file?
[00:30] <dr_willis> sounds like ultraiso is looking at it incorectly perhaps..
[00:30] <newbuntu> with ultaISO
[00:31] <dr_willis> check the md5sum of the iso file. test it in virtualbox perhaps to verify its good
[00:31] <newbuntu> ah great idea virtualbox
[00:31] <newbuntu> tyvm
[00:31] <dr_willis> what ubuntu release is that iso?  ubuntu 13.04 is larger then 695mb
[00:31] <newbuntu> 12.04
[00:32] <newbuntu> i tried 13.04 but have major sound issues
[00:33] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[00:34] <baordog> Hey, I'm having a crash where Ubuntu loads weird random pixels
[00:34] <baordog> I get as far as the login screen
[00:34] <baordog> and it tries load, and produces the random pixels
[00:34] <baordog> It's on an old Janky computer
[00:34] <baordog> any ideas?
[00:34] <TheLordOfTime> A netsplit happens when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
[00:34] <TheLordOfTime> (sorry, ubottu's down!  :/)
[00:35] <newbuntu> enjoy the show lol
[00:35] <YoMomma> N00b question - Where does e-mail get it's time stamp (Sending client, SMTP Server, POP/IMAP Server)?
[00:35] <dr_willis> newbuntu:  for hdmi sound in 13.04 i had to use the    .9 kernel from a ppa.. i  got the info from askubuntu.com
[00:36] <newbuntu> so that is a known issue then not just me? lol
[00:36] <dr_willis> newbuntu:  its a well known issue with HDMI audio. a fix is supposed to be getting released.. i just got sick of waiting and used the  maintreak kernel from kernel.ubuntu.org i think
[00:36] <dr_willis> mainstream
[00:37] <newbuntu> thats great tyvm i might just try 13.04 again
[00:37] <newbuntu> seemed faster than 12.04
[00:37] <baordog> Anyone have an idea about my random pixels? I'm sure someone has seen something like this before
[00:37] <dr_willis> all i did to 'fix' it was dosnload 4 .deb files from that kernel site and dpkg -i *   them.. ;) but im not sure how that will affect updates.. so  thats why i dont knwo if an official update has came out yet or not
[00:38] <dr_willis> baordog:  what is your video chipset? that will be the #1 thing to determine
[00:38] <baordog> I can't tell. Computers old. Like I said, it used to work.
[00:38] <dr_willis> lapci will tell you
[00:38] <dr_willis> 'lspci'
[00:38] <baordog> That would be great if the operating system would load
[00:39] <baordog> but like I said, I just get random pixels
[00:39] <dr_willis> !text | baordog
[00:39] <baordog> !text
[00:39] <dr_willis> use the text mode or recovery mode to get to a console and use the command lspci
[00:39] <dr_willis> its at the grub menu..
[00:39] <baordog> ok
[00:40] <dr_willis> or boot any old live cd that worked.. and use the command
[00:40] <baordog> but why would my chipset matter? It's worked for months
[00:40] <dr_willis> if one of those does work.. see what modules the thing is using and what video driver
[00:40] <baordog> Because the login screen does load
[00:40] <baordog> I can feel it trying
[00:40] <dr_willis> for all we know - it could be a dieing video card or cable...  you will have to do some tests to see
[00:41] <dr_willis> if you get it to the console.  install the ssh server. so you can ssh in to it while its running and look and try things
[00:41] <baordog> Well that would suck. The thing has integrated graphics
[00:41] <baordog> That much I remember
[00:43] <dr_willis> you coudl also try any older kenels listed in the grub menu and see  if any of the old ones work.. if an old kernel does work. but a newer one does not.. that would point to a driver issue
[00:44] <baordog> ok I'm in the recovery menu
[00:44] <baordog> where do I switch on text mode?
[00:44] <baordog> root?
[00:44] <dr_willis> recovery should have some item to get to a shell. i dont have its menus menoruised
[00:45] <dr_willis> i tend to just use text mode. ;)
[00:46] <baordog> nvidia corporation c61 [Geforce 614OSE nforce 430]
[00:46] <baordog> That appears to be the video card
[00:47] <dr_willis> you may want to try the 'nomodeset' option when booting if the gfx is currupted.. or if you feel lucky jusst try instlling the 'nvidia-current' drivers
[00:47] <dr_willis> safest would  be to try 'nomodeset' then the addational-drivers tool
[00:47] <baordog> what's that?
[00:48] <dr_willis> unless you have installed the drivers in the past from nvidia.com using their .run drivers..
[00:48] <newbuntu> ty "dr_willis" virtualbox boots the ISO so must have been the way ultraiso was displaying it. thanks again!
[00:48] <dr_willis> look for 'nomodeset' on the ubuntu wiki page /askubuntu.com  it will show how to tell grub to use the nomodeset option
[00:48] <baordog> is there a command to get back to grub?
[00:49] <dr_willis> at the grub mennnu - you hit 'e' to edit the boot item and  change the text to read  'quiet splash nomodeset'   then boot the  entry
[00:49] <dr_willis> newbuntu:  im not even sure why you were looking at it with ultraiso ;)
[00:50] <baordog> right
[00:50] <baordog> but now I'm in the root terminal thing. How do I get back?
[00:50] <dr_willis> you mean how to you 'reboot'  ?
[00:50] <dr_willis> the reboot command.. reboots the pc..
[00:51] <dr_willis> or try exit to get back to the recovery menu
[00:51] <baordog> that did it
[01:00] <MysticalBurrito> Hello?
[01:00] <SparkySparkyBoom> MysticalBurrito: hello
[01:00] <MysticalBurrito> Could someone direct me to a chat where I can get help with my phone?
[01:01] <MysticalBurrito> I've been searching for one for the past half hour
[01:01] <SparkySparkyBoom> MysticalBurrito: if this channel is dead, your best bet for this sort of question is #freenode
[01:01] <raijin> MysticalBurrito: we are talking about phones in #eligius
[01:01] <MysticalBurrito> Thanks for the help
[01:02] <fractaline> which phone MysticalBurrito ?
[01:05] <dr_willis> theres the #android channel also.
[01:06] <dr_willis> theres been some netsplits in the last hour ot 2 also.. so a lot of the channels may be split off
[01:10] <FogHornLegHorn> hi, can someone help me out with the powermanagment options.. or how do i add extra options. i dont want it to hibernate when i shut the lid and there are no options for this that i see.
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> FogHornLegHorn, settings-power has a lid close dropdown.
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> name your release and desktop as well, if you do not find this.
[01:12] <dr_willis> you may need to have a swap partion larger then your rram size (by a little bit) in order for some of the options to appear
[01:14] <FogHornLegHorn> wilee-nilee, im must not have that program, is it gtk, and what is the name of the program that runs it so i can apt-get it
[01:14] <dr_willis> gtk is not a desktop or release....
[01:15] <dr_willis> what does lsb_release -a say about your ubuntu version, and what desktop are you running
[01:15] <FogHornLegHorn> me? i know im asking him if the option is in a gtk menu
[01:15] <FogHornLegHorn> or terminal thing
[01:15] <dr_willis> for Unity  - it should be in the top right settings menu area.
[01:15] <dr_willis> under system settings
[01:16] <FogHornLegHorn> i have gnome
[01:16] <dr_willis> unity uses gnome/gtk so everything is in a gtk menu... ;)
[01:16] <FogHornLegHorn> unity noty
[01:16] <dr_willis> there should be some 'system settings -> power' or similary named item
[01:20] <dr_willis> bbl
[01:23] <yofun> eh
[01:23] <yofun> ops
[01:29] <Merovingians> does anyone know if the applications configurations in ufw support multiple interfaces? or does everything at that level need to be done with iptables?
[01:48] <wab> #hlfs
[01:55] <histo> Merovingians: It appears it may according to the man pages
[01:56] <histo> Merovingians: By default, ufw will apply rules to all available interfaces. To  limit
[01:56] <histo>        this,  specify  DIRECTION on INTERFACE, where DIRECTION is one of...
[01:56] <Merovingians> I can see that using the command line interface you can use ufw to specify that information
[01:57] <Merovingians> but if I am writing a config file for each of the applications, I am not finding anything regarding how to do that within an applications file
[01:57] <Merovingians> it looks like I would have to switch to shorewall if I wanted that level of configuration, or move to iptables itself without ufw...
[02:00] <James_Epp> So I am trying to make a pxe server for starting ubuntu installs (just a personal project). I have successfully booted the desktop installer with NFS. I would now like to get the alternate installer to get booted. I am seeing many tutorials which are using a 'linux' file for their KERNEL. I just downloaded the alternate.iso but there is no 'linux' file. Where can I find this kernel?
[02:01] <dr_willis> could be the docs are old, ive seen the kernel file called vmlinuz and other variations also
[02:01] <James_Epp> Disregard my last question, guys. Found the file.
[02:01] <dr_willis> ;)
[02:02] <usr13> !alternate | James_Epp
[02:02] <dr_willis> ubuntu keeps triming away more and more with each release. ;)
[02:02] <James_Epp> usr13: I am using 12.04 alternate. Is it just not supported, or has the team completely quit making them in general?
[02:03] <dr_willis> as of 12.10 i think the alt cd is gone.
[02:04] <James_Epp> adding on to that.....the reason I am using the alternate is because on some machines (not even old machines) I get the following result: I boot the cilent into pxe and nfs just fine....but when we are just about to get into the xorg stuff, it gives me this error: http://goo.gl/uS1sM
[02:06] <Braden`> Hello
[02:06] <Braden`> I just installed Ubuntu 13.04 fresh, and whenever it tries to load xwindows, I just see a blinking cursor and nothing else
[02:07] <Braden`> It doesn't continue to load
[02:07] <Braden`> I just see a blinking cursor
[02:08] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[02:08] <Braden`> The system boots fine
[02:08] <Braden`> Its only after it gets done loading everything else
[02:08] <OerHeks> this occurs before login?
[02:09] <Braden`> yes
 I am using ubuntu-server as a home server with nginx installed. I want to be able to setup subdomains and be able to access them with a domain that I have. I am using a dyndns service that always points to my dynamic ip, and I have a cname record subdomain from my purchased domain to my dyndns domain. That works just fine, but when I try to setup a second subdomain in the nginx conf, I always get the same 'server
[02:09] <brian_petersen> ' config area. Ho
[02:09] <OerHeks> then try the nomodeset option, see if it works
[02:10] <Braden`> Ok
[02:10] <Braden`> Thanks
[02:11] <criten> Anyone here have experiance with ubuntu and Shuttle computers?
[02:14] <Braden`> This document tells me the options I need, but doesn't tell me which file to edit to add the options to...
[02:17] <James_Epp> My append line for my pxe boot is as follows: APPEND netboot=nfs nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/srv/tftp/0/ubuntu/12.04/alternate/i386 initrd=0/ubuntu/12.04/alternate/i386/initrd.gz . But, when I am booting the client, I get to the point where it goes to fetch the ubuntu release stuffs from the USA mirror, and then the display goes blank with just its purple background and idles. Seems like a weird place to stop. Does anyone know why?
[02:20] <Maelstrom> Lulz
[02:23] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i added the ppa for drawers, i made one but i want to delete it and make a different style, how do i delete a made drawer? ... completly
[02:28] <coolstar> I'm trying to setup Ubuntu 13.04 in Virtualbox and I get the error "The headers for the current running kernel were not found."
[02:29] <coolstar> What the package I should install via apt-get?
[02:29] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> just figured it out my self ... rm /home/roy/.local/share/applications/DVD\ Movies\ Related.desktop
[02:30] <coolstar> oh wait nvm. it was just warning
[02:30] <coolstar> it succeeded setting up :)
[02:32] <NamedJohn> could anyone enlighten me as to what is wrong with this bash snippet? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5672854/
[02:36] <subman> I'm going to ask a very strange question here but I need help from my fellow Ubuntu users.  I am trying to get an old Mac G3 working on the internet but can find little help.  anyone know of an active IRC channel that could help?
[02:37] <imsky> can i create a clean jail/chroot-like environment and then package it as a .deb?
[02:37] <coolstar> subman: are you trying to boot ubuntu on that Mac G3?
[02:37] <trollboy> My parents are stuck on the "Low resolution, your graphics card could not be detected, you will have to configure manually" screen... Apparently Ctrl + Alt + F1 is not working, nor is shift on boot.. suggestions?
[02:37] <imsky> rather, can i create a clean jail/chroot-like environment so that i can package it as a .deb? :)
[02:38] <trollboy> Hitting Ok at the prompt dumps them to a black screen with a X shaped mouse cursor
[02:38] <subman> coolstar, not at the moment, just trying to get some help
[02:39] <coolstar> subman: if the Mac G3 is running ubuntu, this is the place to ask. If it's on OS X, try #mac
[02:39] <subman> coolstar, I understand that.  I was just asking for help in finding that resource.  All my other machines run Ubuntu.  Just asking some bros to help.,
[02:39] <ilyekkakai> how do I launch CompizConfigurator from the terminal? I messed something up and now I have no dash and no window management functionality (no move/resize/etc.)
[02:40] <ilyekkakai> What is the command to launch Compiz Configurator?
[02:40] <subman> coolstar, and of course #mac is not valid
[02:40] <coolstar> #mac-dev
[02:41] <coolstar> subman: ##mac
[02:41] <subman> coolstar, no
[02:42] <coolstar> subman: ##mac works here
[02:42] <subman> coolstar, yeah, me talking to me
[02:44] <ilyekkakai> How do I launch the compizconfig settings manager from terminal?
[02:46] <wilee-nilee> ilyekkakai, try ccsm
[02:47] <camilo_> freenet on ubuntu 13.04 install help
[02:52] <ilyekkakai> I've lost my unity dash.. how do I re-install it?
[02:52] <camilo_> I need install freenet on ubuntu 13.04 helpme please
[02:52] <somsip_> !gq | camilo_
[02:57] <dr_willis> whats freenet anyway?
[02:58] <dr_willis> !find freenet
[02:58] <clcto> o/ o- o/
[02:58] <clcto> o/ o_ o/
[03:00] <coolstar> guys, loving Unity in Ubuntu 13.04 :)
[03:00] <coolstar> (I hated it back in 12.x and 11.x :P)
[03:00] <clcto> coolstar: use notion
[03:02] <camilo_> no problem... resuelto
[03:04] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i need to run "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" every time the computer is rebooted once wireless is ready. What is the best file to add that too?
[03:04] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  one way . put the command in /etc/rc.local
[03:05] <dr_willis> no need for the sudo in rc.local  just the command..
[03:05] <jamesst20> Hi
[03:06] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  you may want  it to wait a few seconds, untill it does the command also..    'sleep 60'   then  'iwconfig ......'
[03:07] <jamesst20> Hi
[03:07] <jamesst20> I have an Alienware m17x R4 and I have some issues with my sound
[03:07] <jamesst20> it is very low
[03:10] <DJHenjin> logging in as a user then sudo su to root only counts as 1 user per session right?
[03:10] <dr_willis> you might want to check the forums and askubuntu.com for that  exact brand/make jamesst20
[03:10] <dr_willis> DJHenjin:  i dont think so. and you shouldent use 'sudo su'   use 'sudo -i'
[03:10] <DJHenjin> sudo -i ?
[03:11] <dr_willis> DJHenjin:  run the 'who' command and see
[03:11] <dr_willis> yes.. do NOT use sudo su, or sudo bash, or other weird ways to get a 'root shell'   the proper way is   sudo -i
[03:11] <DJHenjin> apparently root is logged on through pts 2-9
[03:11] <dr_willis> !sudo
[03:11] <jamesst20> dr_willis alright thanks
[03:12] <sagat> boa noite portugues
[03:12] <sagat> ?
[03:12] <dr_willis> !pt
[03:12] <DJHenjin> is there a way i can kick off all the 'root' users
[03:12] <dr_willis> use the kill command and kill their shells... perhaps...
[03:12] <dr_willis> makes me wonder why they are on there.
[03:12] <DJHenjin> yeah, me too
[03:13] <dr_willis> ps ax | less    may show what they are doing..
[03:13] <dr_willis> could be root shells you have left hanging in the past.. since the last reboot
[03:14] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> if i put "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" inside "/etc/rc.local" wont it expect the user password and hang?
[03:15] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  i said you dont need 'sudo' i n   rc.local
[03:15] <dr_willis> its allready running as root....
[03:15] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> \oh thanks
[03:15] <dr_willis> its like the 'last' service script that gets ran when the system boots up
[03:16] <dr_willis> you MIGHt want to use that 'sleep 60' to make it wait a minet for the system to get all up to speed.
[03:17] <dr_willis> askubuntu.com may know a better way to  set that rate setting... im not sure why you are even needing to do that command
[03:18] <DJHenjin> root      1604  0.0  0.0  14988   956 tty6     Ss+  May15   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty6
[03:18] <dr_willis> DJHenjin:  thats the LOGIN: command running on tty6
[03:18] <dr_willis> one for each tty.. is normal
[03:18] <DJHenjin> ok, so is it waiting for someone to enter a password or something?
[03:18] <NarcTix> ^^ it aint using any resources either
[03:19] <dr_willis> DJHenjin:  its waiting for someone to LOGIN...
[03:20] <DJHenjin> ok also have this root      5011  0.0  0.0  20364  2340 pts/3    Ss   May15   0:00 /bin/bash
[03:20] <dr_willis> thatgs a root shell.. doing somthing
[03:20] <dr_willis> pts/3 is a pusedo terminal.. like a xterm , or some background process
[03:20] <NarcTix> /bin/bash is probably relatesd to an ssh login
[03:21] <dr_willis> i dont even rember where i learned that at...
[03:21] <dr_willis> ;)
[03:21] <dr_willis> stuff i havent had to mess with in years and years..
[03:21] <ska> What option do I fee apt-get upgrade so that my configurations don't change?
[03:21] <ska> apt-get -y or apt-get -n ?
[03:21] <dr_willis> ska:  wht configurations are you refering to?  it shouldent change any customised configs without asking
[03:22] <ska> dr_willis: I want to do it unattended
[03:23] <NarcTix> what happened to kill -9? :)
[03:23] <dr_willis> NarcTix:  it died. ;P)
[03:23] <NarcTix> 9> 15
[03:23] <benwa> hey there
[03:24] <benwa> I have a question for using raid (mdadm) in ubuntu
[03:24] <benwa> any expert on that around?
[03:24] <dr_willis> i try to not teach beginners about 'kill -9' ;)  they get overzelous
[03:24] <NarcTix> not an expert but have experience
[03:24] <benwa> basically I have 3 hdd (1 500GB and 2 250GB)
[03:24] <benwa> I'll like to build a raid 1 with those
[03:24] <benwa> what is the right way to do it?
[03:25] <benwa> so I did a raid-o with the 2 250GB
[03:25] <dr_willis> !raid
[03:25] <deckard> hello. What is the basic difference between Xubuntu and XFCE. they look so similar to noobs
[03:25] <benwa> and then a raid 1 with the 500GB and the raid-0
[03:25] <dr_willis> wonder if the bot is alive.. ;)
[03:25] <NarcTix> benwa do you want one of the 250gb as a spare?
[03:25] <dr_willis> deckard:  xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce
[03:25] <benwa> it works fine until I restart then mdadm complains the array is degraded
[03:26] <dr_willis> deckard:  so its xfce + a few ubuntu changes..
[03:26] <DJHenjin> benwa, you are opening yourself up to a huge risk if either of the 250's dies, and then the 500 dies, or the other way around
[03:26] <deckard> why do i see, xfce, xubuntu and ubutu ?
[03:26] <benwa> NarcTix I want 500GB mirrored
[03:26] <deckard> is xfce use the least resources ?
[03:26] <dr_willis> deckard:  see where? be more detailed.
[03:26] <deckard> as option to login
[03:26] <benwa> well I have 3 drives with 1Terao total
[03:26] <deckard> brb
[03:26] <dr_willis> deckard:  the lightest full featured desktop is 'lubuntu' which uses lxde
[03:26] <benwa> I just want a raid-1 of 500GB
[03:26] <NarcTix> benwa so you want raid 0
[03:27] <dr_willis> deckard:  they could be identical..  or use differnt default settings..
[03:27] <dr_willis> i dont use  xfce.
[03:27] <benwa> raid-1 is the duplcating and raid-0 is concatenate right?
[03:27] <deckard> brb, sorry baby cry
[03:27] <Morph4me> raid 0 is performance ( striped) raid 1 is mirrored
[03:27] <benwa> so my thinking was concatenate the two 250GB
[03:27] <benwa> to get a virtual 500GB
[03:27] <benwa> and mirror that with the other 500GB drive
[03:28] <benwa> makes sense?
[03:28] <dr_willis> do you really need a raid that badly? ;) its amazeing the # of people i see in here with raid issues
[03:29] <benwa> well I wanna use this for backup so yeah I'd like to think it's gonna be safe
[03:29] <DJHenjin> soo, i killed all sshd proccesses using ps aux|grep sshd then re logged in my 2 sessions from here, and there are still 7 'root's in who
[03:29] <benwa> maybe I should go for a virtual partition
[03:29] <kvothetech> dr_willis: raid can be useful...raid 5 is really nice for servers for example...
[03:29] <dr_willis> dont forget a raid setup .. is not an excuse to  NOT make backups
[03:29] <dr_willis> ;)
[03:29] <benwa> could I make the two 250GB drives look like a virtual 500GB?
[03:29] <NarcTix> benwa I think you would have to put them into a LVM to make that array
[03:29] <benwa> without using raid-0?
[03:29] <kvothetech> benwa: lvm
[03:29] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  i just seem to see people in here using raid for the wrong reasons way to often
[03:29] <benwa> NarcTix how does that work?
[03:30] <Morph4me> just mirror he 2 250s and keep the 500gb for storage
[03:30] <Morph4me> the*
[03:30] <benwa> will I get double speed like with raid-0?
[03:30] <kvothetech> dr_willis: ah ...yeah there's some good reasons to use it a lot of reasons lvm or etc would be better
[03:30] <NarcTix> benwa I work with LVM and it still scares me lol. Google :)
[03:30] <Guest97234> I have my old gconf configurations for global shortcuts. Any way to still use gconf-editor in 13.04 I have gnome-shell and session-fallback installed
[03:30] <benwa> Morph4me I need 500GB for backup 250 is too low
[03:30] <estudiante> hola
[03:30] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> why can i find "DVD Styler" under the dash?
[03:30] <estudiante> kdfghj
[03:30] <DJHenjin> use the 500 GB for the backups then benwa
[03:31] <benwa> I wanted it mirrored otherwise it's not a safe backup
[03:31] <benwa> anyways I'll give a shot to lvm
[03:31] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  was that a linux app you installed?   if you use the search featur eit should show up
[03:31] <DJHenjin> get another 500GB then,
[03:32] <benwa> DJHenjin
[03:32] <benwa> DJHenjin you buy me one? I'll give you my 2 250GB for free ;)
[03:32] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  ot try launching it from a terminal.   use tab completion perhaps to get the name    'dvd<tab>'
[03:32] <Blue1> I need to set a timezone in mysql -- anyone help?
[03:32] <DJHenjin> benwa: No.
[03:33] <benwa> DJHenjin you're not helping...
[03:34] <dr_willis> 250gb  hard drives? i think i got a few in the bottom of the closet.
[03:34] <benwa> any knows what's the perf on lvm? is it like a regular drive or like raid-0?
[03:35] <NarcTix> benwa you need to create an LVM of your disks then create the raid. TBH thats above support. So try google.com
[03:35] <dr_willis> i imagine its not going to be as fast as a raid setuo
[03:35] <benwa> k thanks
[03:35] <benwa> I'll figure
[03:36] <dr_willis> the raid url the bot mentioned may be worth reading
[03:36] <deckard> ty dr_willis , one last question. Which is lighter, Xubuntu or XFCE?
[03:37] <NarcTix> ^^
[03:37] <sere> xubuntu is xfce
[03:38] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> helping a friend here this is his nick, mine is Prock
[03:38] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> he didnt even know of irc
[03:38] <DJHenjin> also, I have to figure out why my ubuntu 12.04 amd64 server is crashing almost daily at random times. running last shows reboot   system boot  3.2.0-38-generic
[03:38] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> but he is wanting to dump windows for good
[03:38] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[03:38] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> one more thing i got to do is...
[03:39] <NarcTix> djhenjin, check dmesg for hardware issues, check messages for system issues
[03:39] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> with windows i set up a shared folder so his wii can play movies over the network
[03:40] <DJHenjin> NarcTix: under /var/log there is no 'messages/ file
[03:40] <sid> hi
[03:40] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> the wii only can do smb, but in the software center i dont see anything smb related to what i think i need
[03:40] <NarcTix> ubuntu seem to have disabled messages in syslog these days!
[03:41] <mwd5650> Roy, check out samba for smb under linux
[03:41] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> can someone help me set up a smb share with ubuntu 13.04 ,ubuntu being the host
[03:41] <deckard> so my video games will get best performance with lubuntu?
[03:41] <dr_willis> wii has some sort of  video player? not seen that.. or is this a hacked wii?
[03:41] <dr_willis> deckard:  depends on the game. and how tight your system is on   resources
[03:41] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> its a hacked wii
[03:42] <NarcTix> was it Debian or Ubuntu who decided to remove alot of the usual stuff from syslog?
[03:42] <deckard> its not tight i just dont care of desktop affects and i assume anything not orking on those affects will go to the game running better
[03:42] <Guest78478> hey
[03:42] <deckard> but i am ignorant
[03:42] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  for samba, you can setup a samba share by rightclicking on the video directory and tellint it to make a guest share..
[03:43] <dr_willis> deckard:  if you are using steam, theres a pakcage that makes a 'steam' desktop that you select at the login screen that just runs steam. to maxamize resources for your games
[03:43] <deckard> not steam
[03:43] <deckard> buy ty
[03:44] <dr_willis> you coudl always just select  a very minimal window manager only for the most resources for your games . like openbox or jwm
[03:44] <dr_willis> but thats geting a bit extreme
[03:44] <NarcTix> lightdm =1
[03:44] <NarcTix> +1
[03:45] <NarcTix> Handles most desktops too
[03:45] <goddard> how can i disable ctrl+p on ubuntu?
[03:45] <dr_willis> if your system is so skimpy on resources that  lubuntu is  causing your game to slow down... well..  just using jwm  will only help a little  i imagine.
[03:45] <DJHenjin> NarcTix: syslog doesnt seem to have anything different immediately before it shows the 'kernel [ 0.000000 ] blah blah blah
[03:47] <NarcTix> djhenjin so no signs of harware issues (apart from heat or a faulty psu)
[03:47] <Blue1> anyone know how to set a default time zone in mysql?  this didn't work:  SET GLOBAL time_zone = 'America/Phoenix';
[03:47] <DJHenjin> and dmesg and dmesg.0 dont show anything either
[03:47] <coolstar> anyone know the place to discuss app development on Linux with GTK?
[03:47] <DJHenjin> although in syslog, there is literally nothing for 3 minutes before the kernel stuff.
[03:47] <DJHenjin> ill be back in a half hour
[03:48] <dr_willis> Blue1:  perhaps ask in #mysql
[03:48] <NarcTix> djhenjin if your log says that youve been pwned lol
[03:48] <DJHenjin> says what NarcTix
[03:48] <NarcTix> ill be back in a half hour :)
[03:49] <DJHenjin> i have to drive somewhere,
[03:49] <dr_willis> isent there some 'more verbose logging';    for kernel logs in /etc/sysconfig  /
[03:49] <DJHenjin> it doesnt say that in my log...
[03:49] <NarcTix> ^^
[03:51] <utfans05> friggen windows 7 cd wont boot, had to do a dd if=windows cd of=usb drive, that will work correct?
[03:51] <nkhodyunya> Hi, i have a program listed here http://paste2.org/wUIEVaMU After parent process die, I have a zombie process which should be cleaned out by init process. If I understand properly, SIGCHLD signal should been sent to parent before adopted by init. How init handle such zombie processes?
[03:53] <utfans05> friggen windows 7 cd wont boot, had to do a dd if=windows cd of=usb drive, that will work correct? I'm pretty sure it will just need someone to reassure me.
[03:53] <NarcTix> utfans05 that wont work
[03:53] <utfans05> NarcTix: why not? im making an exact image of the disk to a usb drive
[03:54] <Blue1> thanks dr_willis
[03:54] <goddard> how can i disable ubuntus ctrl p?
[03:54] <NarcTix> utfans05 well none of your paths are correct and whats the cd in the middle?
[03:56] <benwa> NarcTix it looks like it worked thanks for the input
[03:56] <benwa> I'm off g'night all
[03:56] <dave_> NarcTix, diff pc, itd dd if=sc0 of=/dev/sd1
[03:56] <dave_> but looks like the cd is wanting to work now
[03:57] <NarcTix> was it your device paths dave?
[03:57] <NarcTix> cool benwa
[03:58] <dr_willis> sc0  thats a cdrom device?
[03:58] <NarcTix> sr0 is
[03:58] <dave_> yes
[03:59] <dr_willis> seen a cd be called /dev/sr0    or /dev/cdrom    but not sc0
[03:59] <dr_willis> ;)
[03:59] <dave_> thats what it was when i did a lsblk
[03:59] <dr_willis>    and  sd1  ras also a typo?
[03:59] <dr_willis> was also a typo?  since it should be like   sda sdb sdc or somthing
[03:59] <dave_> yeah, this is a mini, hard for me to type on
[03:59] <dr_willis> typos with  the dd command  - can be... deadly
[03:59] <dave_> normally im giving the advice not getting it
[04:00] <Guest97234> how do I make custom shortcuts in 13.04 under dconf
[04:00] <NarcTix> script all those deadly typo commands
[04:00] <dr_willis> Guest97234:  i seem to recall askubuntu.com having some good info on that..   i looked it up like 2 months ago..
[04:01] <Guest97234> dr_willis: thanks will check it out. I googled wih no luck
[04:02] <NarcTix> some sort of DdOs
[04:03] <utfans05> yeah its /dev/sr0
[04:03] <NarcTix> or is that the master of command
[04:04] <dr_willis> utfans05:  be sure you got all your dd options right befor you tell it to do it ;)
[04:04] <utfans05> so it should be dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdd1
[04:04] <NarcTix> toast > /dev/null
[04:05] <NarcTix> utfans05 yeah thats tgood
[04:05] <dr_willis> NarcTix:  top list of commands.. ;)    dd, busybox, and ssh...      and busybox can replace dd and ssh i think, ;P
[04:05] <Morph4me> utfans05 you can check that with  > df-h < as well  as long the udf volume of win 7 is mounted
[04:05] <dr_willis> err.. you DONT want sdd1
[04:05] <dr_willis> that will image the cd to the first PARTITION on the usb.. not to the 'drive' of the usb
[04:05] <NarcTix> dr_willis Ive never used busy box
[04:05] <dr_willis> and youmay want to ask in #windows if this will even work with windows7
[04:06] <Morph4me> as example sending mine to media would be like this using dd  >>>  sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/media/morph4me/win7-64bit.iso
[04:06] <dr_willis> NarcTix:  more likely you never noticed you were using it. ;)
[04:06] <dr_willis> dont forget to use the 'bs=4M' option with dd. or else it may be very very slow
[04:06] <utfans05> dr_willis: so i need to send it to sdd
[04:07] <Morph4me> true dr_willis good point
[04:07] <dr_willis> utfans05:  if you are 10000% sure your usb  flash drive is /dev/sdd
[04:07] <utfans05> dr_willis: yeah it is
[04:07] <NarcTix> dr_willis your probably right. Alot of new stuff doesent break and need hacking into these days.
[04:07] <dr_willis> and you may want to ask in #windows if you even can dd a win7 dvd to usb.. and it will work
[04:08] <dr_willis> NarcTix:  i belive  the normal initrd stuff uses it  for just a moment or 2 ;0 i havent looked into it in ages
[04:09] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i know i got the ip and folder name correct, i cant seem to get the smb share working, can anyone help
[04:09] <dr_willis> i played with some busybox - mini linux disrto - years ago for  a fun weekend..
[04:09] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:   you did set it up as a guest share?
[04:09] <NarcTix> dr_willis Ive only ever experienced controlling initramfs until I started building Gentoo kernels but never came across busybox
[04:09] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> yes
[04:09] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  or if ysing a samba user name.. you did give the user a samba password via 'sudp smbpassed -a username'  ?
[04:10] <dr_willis> oops  'sudo smbpasswd -a username'
[04:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> but also the wii makes it to where u have to use the user account, and i know that info is correct
[04:10] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  so you aer connecting as 'guest' or some 'username'  ?
[04:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> that i did not do
[04:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i want to use user name
[04:11] <dr_willis> then you must set a samba password via ------------>    'sudo smbpasswd -a username'
[04:11] <dr_willis> you can even setup the  special 'home' share in /etc/samba/smb.conf where each user can be shareing their own home directory automatically if you wanted to
[04:11] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> now does this have to the same pass as the user's pass?
[04:12] <dr_willis> samba password does NOT have to be the same as the users login password
[04:12] <dr_willis> i always make the 2 the same however. ;)
[04:12] <dr_willis> but im on a home lan.
[04:13] <NarcTix> dr_willis bad habit if samba gets exploited sos that users account
[04:13] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> sudo: smbpassed: command not found
[04:13] <dr_willis> NarcTix:  yea.. my dog may haxor my system.
[04:13] <dr_willis> then you must set a samba password via ------------>    'sudo smbpasswd -a username'
[04:13] <dr_willis> typos  ;)
[04:14] <NarcTix> dr_willis Im lookinf from a sys-ops perspective ;)
[04:14] <dr_willis> im all about 'casual home user' these days..
[04:14] <dr_willis> wife, grandkids. and the dog..
[04:14] <dr_willis> the 4 year knows more about accessing the net then the wife...
[04:15] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> password took, but wii still fail to sonnect
[04:15] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  see if your nautilus file manager can connect to the share.
[04:15] <dr_willis>   smb://ip.of.the.server/sharename
[04:15] <dr_willis> hit ctrl-l in nautilus to enter the address
[04:16] <dr_willis> ctrl-L
[04:16] <woo> hello
[04:16] <NarcTix> dr_willis your safe unless you have a wireless pace maker (imagine the DoS) and skynet has been in progress for years qbit processors are the key
[04:16] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> if i stop the share and restart will i have to sudo smbpasswd -a roy again?
[04:16] <nevyn> Roy_Newbie_13-04: no.
[04:16] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  that would make samba rather useless  if you had to...
[04:17] <dr_willis> business with 10000 samba users... haveing to re-add their password every day.. ;)
[04:17] <dr_willis> there is  some way to sync the login password and the samba password.. but its been years since ive done that
[04:18] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> do i do "smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/Videos" in terminal Videos is located "/home/roy/Videos"
[04:18] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  in your FILE MANAGER window...
[04:18] <dr_willis> ctrl-L to show the  address entry field.
[04:19] <dr_willis> bash dsent know what to do with 'smb://'   nautilus does
[04:19] <dr_willis> at least you had the sanity to not use a space in the share name,. ;)
[04:20] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i know no spaces to begin with
[04:20] <dr_willis> also try the  address   'smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/Videos'     and see if any other pc on the lan can see the shares.
[04:20] <NarcTix> always use -
[04:20] <dr_willis> its really really annoying when all the other pcs see a share.. then the one you want to see it... dosent
[04:20] <dr_willis> and i definatly have seen a share not work/appear... then a few min later.. it pops up. ;)
[04:21] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> natulas OR Files off the launcher
[04:21] <woo> dr_willis: I am thinking to use a pie for server control for hundreds of ubuntu clients.  as a noob what advice could you help me out with using lanscape to manage?
[04:21] <Chamunks> anyone know a good tutorial on eggdrop here?
[04:21] <dr_willis> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  those are both the file manager.. that is 'nautilus'
[04:21] <sarahS> hi everyone…
[04:21] <Chamunks> i dont even know if its decently simple to run in ubuntu.
[04:21] <dr_willis> woo controll on what way?
[04:21] <sarahS> I'm trying to make a directory writable by apache in a responsible manner
[04:22] <dr_willis> Chamunks:  theres should be 100000's f web sites out there with Eggdrop guides.. i perfer to use 'znc' myself
[04:22] <sarahS> and when i do chown -R www-data ./tmp
[04:22] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> at teh bottom Browser Network then Windows Network , then oops something went wrong
[04:22] <NarcTix> sarahs you configuring Apache directly or using a panel?
[04:22] <sarahS> to a directory, it changes the owner…but apache still can't  write to it
[04:22] <sarahS> NarcTix: ssh
[04:22] <Chamunks> dr_willis, i need the bot functions more then the bouncer functions.
[04:22] <woo> dr_willis: I want to use a raspberry pi as ubuntu server and laptops as clients.  1.) does ubuntu server support pi 2.) what is the best place to find documentation and admin support for Lanscape?
[04:23] <dr_willis> Chamunks:  i bet theres an #eggdrop channel also
[04:23] <Chamunks> well i dont need it i want to learn about it.
[04:23] <Chamunks> I'll look around
[04:23] <Chamunks> thanks dr_willis
[04:23] <NarcTix> sarahs so whats the owner and group on the directories and whats the apache procs running at modules or fast cgi?
[04:23] <dr_willis> woo ubuntu server runs 'services'  theres not really  thing to  'support pi'   since the pi ccan run linux..  and access the services  ubuntu dosent care  if it a pi or a android phone. ;)
[04:23] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> Browse Network ... Windows Network ... WORKGROUP oops something went wrong
[04:24] <Joshuame13> I just downloaded Linux for the first time!
[04:24] <sarahS> NarcTix: the owner is www-data which i believe is the user apache is running as
[04:24] <dr_willis> woo i have no idea on what landscape even is or does.
[04:24] <sarahS> as far as the second question…i haven't the foggiest idea
[04:24] <Braden`> I am using Ubuntu 13.04, and I started xwindows.  I see the desktop, and if I right-click, I get the appropriate context menus; however, I don't see any task bar along the top or side (I don't know what it is called in linux)
[04:24] <NarcTix> sarahs the owner needs to be the web user and the group needs to be www-data
[04:24] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> say my name if u helping me, chat scrooling fast
[04:24] <woo> dr_willis: thank you.  dr_willis, from my understanding is that it controls updates from the cloud.
[04:25] <dr_willis> woo - hmm.  nevver used it. I just  do small home lans.
[04:25] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> Unable to access location
[04:25] <somsip_> sarahS: apache should be run by www-data, but can easily check with 'ps aux | grep apache' and look in the left most column
[04:25] <sarahS> NarcTix: ok…by web user, you mean the server? apache2?
[04:25] <dr_willis> bb in a bit...
[04:25] <Roy_Newbie_13-04>  dr_willis ^
[04:26] <somsip_> sarahS: is the directory you are trying to change in the webroot, or somewehre else. Eg: /var/www/website/tmp, or /home/sarah/tmp ?
[04:26] <NarcTix> srahs depends on what your apache processes are running as if there apache modules will be apache2 if you run them as fast cgi would be under there web user
[04:26] <sarahS> somsip_: yes, it is a subdirectory of the webroot
[04:27] <Braden`> Anyone?
[04:27] <sarahS> actually
[04:27] <somsip_> sarahS: and the parent dirs allow www-data to have access?
[04:27] <sarahS> somsip_:  /var/www/website/tmp would be accurate
[04:27] <NarcTix> sarahs fast cgi over apache modules any day easier to trouble shoot for one
[04:28] <sarahS> somsip_: read access
[04:29] <somsip_> sarahS: maybe a dump of ls -la /var/www and /var/www/website would help/ Can you pastebin?
[04:30] <NarcTix> sarahs whats the problem again, Ive had a few spliffs :)?
[04:30] <sarahS> hahah
[04:30] <sarahS> I'm trying to NOT chmod 777 a directory
[04:31] <woo> sarahS: in tmp?
[04:31] <somsip_> sarahS: my usual approach would be to chgrp -R www-data {dir} and chmod 770 {dir} But this is not always ideal
[04:31] <sarahS> correct
[04:31] <somsip_> sarahS: you told me not tmp (as in /tmp) but just a folder called tmp. Correct?
[04:31] <sarahS> somsip_: thanks..will try that
[04:32] <deckard> hello. what is the command to install lubuntu?
[04:32] <somsip_> deckard: suo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop IIRC
[04:32] <deckard> is it sudo apt-get install lubuntu-dekstop?
[04:32] <NarcTix> sarahs then the easiest way is to run your users as fast-cgi rather than apache modules , that way the web-user is what the process(dir) owner then you dont have to set world permissions
[04:32] <deckard> ty
[04:32] <deckard> i can install it with xubuntu and try it?
[04:32] <somsip_> deckard: I believe so
[04:32] <deckard> ty
[04:33] <deckard> what is iirc mean?
[04:33] <sarahS> NarcTix: that sounds like something I will have to read up on.  apache modules I already know.  Thanks for the suggestion
[04:33] <somsip_> deckard: If I Recall Correctly
[04:33] <deckard> oh lol
[04:33] <deckard> ty
[04:33] <deckard> i have it
[04:33] <dr_willis> you can install most all the  *-desktop packages  that way deckard
[04:33] <Braden`> I am using Ubuntu 13.04, and I started xwindows.  I see the desktop, and if I right-click, I get the appropriate context menus; however, I don't see any task bar along the top or side (I don't know what it is called in linux)
[04:33] <deckard> ty
[04:34] <woo> Braden`: are you new to gnome3?
[04:34] <dr_willis> Braden`: 3d video card drivers may not be working right
[04:34] <Braden`> dr_willis:  Is there a way to disable 3d?
[04:34] <Braden`> Because I really don't want all of the fancy stuff anyways
[04:35] <dr_willis> id suggest getting 3d working instead
[04:35] <Braden`> I actually used the 2d version before they stripped it out in 12.11
[04:35] <Braden`> Too much overhead
[04:35] <Braden`> This is for a development machine
[04:35] <dr_willis> there is no unity2d in 13.04
[04:35] <Braden`> How do I use gnome then?
[04:35] <sarahS> somsip_: http://pastie.org/7919018
[04:35] <dr_willis> gnome shell? thats not unity
[04:36] <woo> Braden`: the top bar is what you use to save files or control the selected window
[04:36] <Braden`> dr_willis:  I know, how do I switch to Gnome?
[04:36] <dr_willis> !gnome-shell
[04:36] <somsip_> sarahS: RoR?
[04:36] <Braden`> woo:  Oh sorry, I didn't see your message
[04:36] <sarahS> somsip_: correct
[04:36] <Braden`> woo:  Yes, I would like to use Gnome 3
[04:37] <dr_willis> install gnome-shell and select it at login
[04:37] <Braden`> ok
[04:37] <Braden`> Thank you
[04:37] <sarahS> somsip_: installing redmine
[04:37] <woo> Braden`: unity and gnome3 are a lot alike
[04:37] <Braden`> woo:  Yea, but they unfortunately cut support for 2d unity :(
[04:37] <dr_willis> lubuntu is the lightest desktop
[04:37] <NarcTix> desktops ahhhhh the next part of my Linux certification wants me to configure and troubleshoot x11 (Ive worked in tty or ptty)
[04:37] <somsip_> sarahS: sarahS there looks nothing wrong with this. Is there already a file in tmp that is not chown www-data that apache is unable to open for write?
[04:38] <dr_willis> Braden`:  unity3d uses llvm for low end systems.. but it can be buggy
[04:38] <Braden`> How do I enable that?  I could give it a try...
[04:38] <dr_willis> its enabled by default
[04:39] <Braden`> oh
[04:39] <dr_willis> if you want gnome shell.. then install gnome shell
[04:39] <Braden`> Well, I am using the nvidia drivers provided by the package manager.  How do I fix the current problem with the task bar not showing up?
[04:39] <Braden`> If I can fix that, and determine whether the system is responsive enough to use Unity, I will use that
[04:39] <Braden`> Otherwise, I will switch to gnome
[04:40] <dr_willis> run nvidia-settings   be sure the drivers are working Braden`
[04:40] <NarcTix> I still am a big fan of xfce but kde is getting my vote at the moment (was a long time hater of kde)
[04:40] <dr_willis> unity  USES GNOME... you mean  gnome-shell
[04:41] <Braden`> Right, gnome shell
[04:41] <Braden`> Semantics
[04:41] <Braden`> ftw
[04:41] <corehook> re
[04:42] <Braden`> Oh
[04:42] <Braden`> Which driver should I use for virtualbox?
[04:42] <Braden`> (assuming ubuntu is the guest os)
[04:42] <NarcTix> bradeb whats the host?
[04:43] <Braden`> nvidia-settings says "ERROR:  The control display is undefined"
[04:43] <nevyn> NarcTix: why does it matter.
[04:43] <Braden`> NarcTix:  Windows 8
[04:43] <nevyn> Braden`: that's cause a guest in virtualbox doesn't have a nvidia card
[04:43] <Braden`> nevyn:  I would assume because some OS's allow promiscuity to the adapters
[04:43] <AlbertoM> Hi everybody i need some help  i have instlled some software like chromium skype and comodo antivirus for linux (I know i dont need but i want to protect the machines whith windows in my home and it dont consumes too much resourcees)  i allso instll teamviwer when i reestart the machine i see something of win e pop up and i dont want nothing related whith wine how can i comprobe i donth ave win e?
[04:43] <NarcTix> ^^ why does it matter because he asked what driver duh!
[04:43] <AlbertoM> Excuse me my english are too bad
[04:43] <nevyn> NarcTix: 14:46 < Braden`> Which driver should I use for virtualbox?
[04:44] <Braden`> nevyn:  That is what I just thought of, which is why I mentioned I am using virtualbox.  I probably need to use a different driver
[04:44] <NarcTix> braden search on microsoft technet
[04:44] <nevyn> he's running a guest ubuntu in virtualbox the correct driver will be for the virtualbox framebuffer hardware.
[04:44] <Braden`> Let me check the package manager
[04:44] <NarcTix> the drivers are still windows drivers
[04:45] <dr_willis_> virtuabox? you should have said that eralier. ;)
[04:45] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i have system-config-samba now and that isnt helping, not even on my own machine
[04:45] <dr_willis_> you install the  vbox guest addations and you may want to double check the 'use  host 3d' option is enabled in teh options for vbox
[04:45] <nevyn> Braden`: you need to install guest additions.
[04:45] <nevyn> NarcTix: stop.
[04:45] <NarcTix> The host needs to install the guest modules
[04:46] <Braden`> nevyn:  I already installed them.  I discovered I am missing the guest dkms package though
[04:46] <dr_willis_> for running in vbox. you may seriously want to use lubuntu instead of unity or gnome-shell
[04:46] <Braden`> NarcTix:  Already installed
[04:46] <Braden`> dr_willis:  What is the difference?
[04:46] <Braden`> If he can stay online long enough... :/
[04:46] <dr_willis_> lubuntu is the ligthtest full feature desktop
[04:47] <Braden`> dr_willis:  What do you mean "light"?
[04:47] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> dr_willis_ i have system-config-samba installed now, and still wont show inder Files / Browse Network
[04:47] <dr_willis_> uses the leaset resources
[04:47] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  some toimes you just have to fight with samba. i dont have any magic answers.. see if other pcs on the lan can see the shares perhaps?
[04:47] <Braden`> hmm
[04:47] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> cant
[04:48] <AlbertoM> Hi can any body help me  i want to know if have traces of win e in my system
[04:48] <Braden`> Well, I appreciate the responses and time that everyone has given me.
[04:48] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  i tend to just enable the home shares. give samba passwords to my users. and restart.. and it works
[04:48] <AlbertoM> i expplain the case above
[04:48] <NarcTix> braden what error means your missing dkms (needed for building some kernel mods)
[04:48] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  you may want to double check that all firewalls are off for testing
[04:48] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how do i do that?
[04:49] <dr_willis_> !firewall
[04:49] <dr_willis_> windows has its own options for firewalls..
[04:49] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> do i have to be root for ufw
[04:50] <dr_willis_> i tend to share videos over DLNA/UpnP these days instead of samba. so i havent fought with samba in ages either.
[04:50] <mong> AlbertoM: "sudo apt-get purge wine" , followed by "rm -rf ~/.wine", ought to remove it as far as i know
[04:50] <NarcTix> Where as alot of firewalls are built on Linux or Unix
[04:50] <dr_willis_> AlbertoM:  there  might be a few windapp.desktop files in your .config dir you may need to remove by hand.. but those wont affect  anything
[04:52] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> firewall is off
[04:53] <NarcTix> AlbertM yeah find / -iname wine | xargs rm -rf /dev/null
[04:53] <NarcTix> missed the > /dev/null
[04:53] <corehook> guys how i can send mail from console ?
[04:53] <corehook> ubuntu 12.04
[04:53] <histo> corehook: with an smtp server setup or a relay
[04:54] <corehook> i am about command
[04:54] <histo> corehook: if you want to use pop or imap you can use mutt
[04:54] <corehook> i have smtpd server
[04:54] <histo> corehook: On the same box?
[04:54] <NarcTix> corehook sendmail, not used in ages but man sendmail
[04:54] <corehook> smtpd is other my server
[04:54] <corehook> in*
[04:55] <corehook> да в пизду
[04:55] <NarcTix> youu can use sendmail as a mail client you dont need a local server
[04:56] <Relaxation> Just thought I'd ask, is anyone here a C programmer, or familiar with C?
[04:57] <dr_willis_> i find C pointers too pointy..
[04:57] <dr_willis_> ;)
[04:57] <nevyn> Relaxation: just ask.
[04:58] <nevyn> !ask
[04:58] <NarcTix> how familiar Im familiar with programming and have done a socket client and server in c but not much else in c
[04:58] <SparkySparkyBoom> !patience
[04:59] <Relaxation> Dr_Willis, you're always in here haha. And my question wasn't specific, other than what can I do to practice. I didn't make it past my Data Structures class in C so I'm very disappointed, trying to study C in my free time now.
[04:59] <Relaxation> I'm reading the K&R book over C atm
[05:04] <kiyoura> Relaxation: "Algorithms in C" by sedgewick
[05:04] <Relaxation> Does it talk about data structures?
[05:04] <kiyoura> yes
[05:04] <Relaxation> Thanks. I'll move onto that after I finish the K&R book.
[05:05] <kiyoura> that's what i did
[05:06] <Relaxation> I find C to be very challenging.
[05:06] <NarcTix> pointers are the hard part of c but also its power inho
[05:07] <NarcTix> *imho
[05:07] <kiyoura> pointers are not just exclusive to C. pointers are what separate people who 'like to code' from 'programmers'.
[05:07] <gdi2k> Hi, I'm looking for help with DKMS (r8168 drivers) - is this the best place or is there a better channel, luke ubuntu server?
[05:07] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> will simba auto start, or how do i confirm the server is open\\
[05:08] <NarcTix> kiyora and its exploits and reverse engineering that seperates people who like to code from them who get paid
[05:09] <kiyoura> NarcTix, same thing as "programmers" ...
[05:09] <kiyoura> if you understand the memory map both of those things are fairly possible
[05:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> any simba experts here, or lots of experince
[05:10] <Braden`> How do I make it so that it displays what is loading on system startup instead of a splash screen?
[05:10] <NarcTix> Im currently under the influence of canabis and alcohol so cant go to in depth
[05:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> while im waiting to see if so, im doing a retart, ill be back
[05:10] <NarcTix> see cant even spell cannabis right
[05:11] <histo> Braden`: disable splash and quiet from default options in /etc/default/grub
[05:12] <corehook> when i start some bash script from console its work
[05:12] <NarcTix> braden do it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[05:12] <corehook> but dont work when start with cron
[05:12] <corehook> which may be a popular error in the startup script?
[05:13] <histo> corehook: which users cron are you starting it with?
[05:13] <NarcTix> corehook whats your shebang in your script?
[05:13] <histo> Braden`: then sudo update-grub after you remove them from there
[05:14] <NarcTix> by shebang i mean #!
[05:14] <ajith> HI how to share applciation installed using wine in ubuntu ltsp 12.04
[05:14] <Relaxation> TBH, pointers are fairly easy concept of C. In fact, rudimentary. I've exercised some quite complex data structure algorithms that are pretty hard to comprehend / follow. But understanding a simple pointer has never been a problem for me.
[05:14] <Braden`> Ok, thank you
[05:14] <ajith> I am unable to find these applciation in clients when i login
[05:15] <Relaxation> I understand C, up until we start looking at data structures, like constructing a graph / implementing it.
[05:15] <NarcTix> relaxatin and kiyoura what educational upbringing have you had?
[05:15] <histo> ajith: ~/.wine/drive_c/
[05:15] <Relaxation> Then things become hard for me to follow. I think it's because I don't understand the algorithm to begin with.
[05:16] <corehook> dev user
[05:16] <kiyoura> NarcTix 0 'formal' i am self-taught
[05:16] <corehook> shebang? what is ?
[05:16] <NarcTix> kiyoura :)
[05:16] <Relaxation> I'm studying computer science in college. The curriculum here follows C, and it is no joke at all.
[05:16] <ajith> ok after going in to how do i share..I am unable to find the installed applciation in client
[05:17] <histo> !ot Relaxation
[05:17] <histo> !ot | Relaxation
[05:17] <NarcTix> corehook by shebang whats the first line of your script #!
[05:17] <dr_willis_> hmm., well users install wine apps.. so they wouldent be 'system wide'
[05:17] <ajith> how can i install them system wide???
[05:18] <dr_willis_> no idea.. not really ever tried to do that.
[05:18] <NarcTix> corehook if like you said it runs in your terminal but not from cron what shell are you using?
[05:18] <Relaxation> Actually, I made straight A's throughout my whole school career. Then I got to computer science in college. Most challenging thing I've experienced in the world of Academia. Failed my first class this last semester. Discouraging, putting all your time and resources into something, only to fail. It's odd. To me failing a class reflects not trying enough, not studying, etc.. But this was not the case at all for me.
[05:18] <histo> ajith: perhaps #winehq can be of some assistance
[05:18] <dr_willis_> ajith:  you could make a script that calls wine /path/to/some/systgemdir/theappinstaller.exe  so each user can install it when they want to
[05:19] <dr_willis_> when wine runs a windows app. its makes a .wine dir for the user to keep the wine stuff in.
[05:19] <dr_willis_> you normally dont share that .wine directory system wide
[05:19] <cyphase> is there anyone here with an htc one? are you having issues seeing all of the phone's internal storage when plugged in to your computer? did you, and you fixed it?
[05:19] <ajith> okay ..
[05:20] <clcto> cyphase: do you have android sdk installed?
[05:20] <histo> cyphase: are you using mtp or mass storage mode
[05:20] <NarcTix> no one shares there wine celar ~/.wine :)
[05:21] <dr_willis_> i recall a few apps in the past that used wine, that installed 'system wide' but i bet they were heavaly tweaked and took a bit of work to get going
[05:21] <Senor> where can I get source of login relevent stuff ?
[05:21] <dr_willis_> Senor:  be a bit more specific.
[05:21] <corehook> yep
[05:21] <NarcTix> dr_willis windows apps system wide serious fail
[05:22] <dr_willis_> NarcTix:  i seem to recall Picassa and  other apps doing that.
[05:22] <dr_willis_> they used their own secial wine.. as does that netflix-on-ubuntu package.
[05:22] <dr_willis_> thats the latest tool that use the wine system wide trick that i can think of
[05:23] <NarcTix> yeah like a wine binary cant think of the name for it
[05:23] <Relaxation> Does anyone know why Ubuntu only cares about the first 8 characters of your password?
[05:23] <dr_willis_> 'cares' ?
[05:23] <histo> Relaxation: Can you elaborate on that?
[05:24] <dr_willis_> you want to enforce longer required passwords?
[05:24] <Relaxation> No
[05:24] <histo> Relaxation: then it cares about all the characters
[05:24] <Relaxation> Lets say your password is X amount of characters. Ubuntu only needs the first 8 to log in
[05:24] <Senor> dr_willis_ : I have one problem with init process , I have no root account set ,as I boot from non-distro kernel
[05:24]  * dr_willis_ is going to have to go on again about how it pays to be verbose and detailed on irc... ;)
[05:25] <NarcTix> My names NarcTix and Ive just realised im an alcoholic as Ive just reached to take a drink from my deoderant for the 5th time good night.
[05:25] <Relaxation> If password X is > 8, you still only need the first 8 to log into Ubuntu. So, from my perspective, it only "cares" about the first 8 characters.
[05:26] <dr_willis_> or when you are setting the password - its only using the first 8 to begin with...
[05:26] <Ben64> Relaxation: i don't think that is true
[05:26] <Aspire-Revo-User> Can anyone recommend a go partition cloning application like CloneZilla?
[05:26] <lifeboy> Trying to set up qemu-kvm on 12.04 64bit server, but get this error: -bash: sudo setcap cap_net_admin=ei /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: No such file or directory
[05:26] <lifeboy> anyone that can shed some light on this pls?
[05:26] <Relaxation> Ben64: try it for yourself.
[05:27] <Ben64> just did
[05:27] <dr_willis_> Aspire-Revo-User:  why not clonezilla? ;)
[05:27] <Relaxation> And?
[05:27] <Ben64> my password was already >8, and 8 doesn't work
[05:27] <Aspire-Revo-User> dr_willis_: It is not working, freezing up and not doing what it suppose to do. Watched several YouTube video on how to use it and I am following the instructions as best i can.
[05:27] <Relaxation> You did something wrong then... I know for a fact it only needs 8 characters to log in.
[05:27] <lifeboy> I have never used setcap...
[05:28] <Ben64> Relaxation: or more likely... you're wrong
[05:28] <gdi2k> Relaxation, using first 8 chars does not work - what makes you think this?
[05:28] <Relaxation> Are you sure you counted the characters properly?
[05:29] <mong> Relaxation: i have just tested this with my password as well, and cannot reproduce what you describe
[05:29] <Relaxation> Wait hang on.
[05:29] <Relaxation> Brb, need to make sure I'm telling this correctly.
[05:30] <dr_willis_> sudo passwd billgates   moneybagXXXXXXXXX
[05:30] <dr_willis_> login billgates
[05:30] <nevyn> renato_: that's complete garbage for a long time.
[05:30] <dr_willis_> too bad im not on a ubuntu box to test...
[05:31] <Ben64> he left
[05:31] <nevyn> yeah I know.
[05:31] <nevyn> renato_: sorry wasn't for you.
[05:31] <cyphase> clcto, i thought it might the sdk, but i only just now tried it on another computer :/, and i do see it all. how do i get around that? histro, there's no way to choose between mtp and mass storage on the phone.
[05:31] <Ben64> but i made a new user on my server with 20 character password - "12345678901234567890" and nothing less than the full 20 worked
[05:31] <mong> perhaps he's using DES encryption or something
[05:31] <clcto> cyphase: can you logcat?
[05:32] <nevyn> Ben64: the old unix crypt hash was only good for about 8 chars
[05:32] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> under htop i see "smbd -F" three times, is that enough to have smb working, thats all the smb related processes i can see, or at least sound like
[05:32] <Relaxation> NVM, it's been changed. On older versions though, it only "cares" about the first 8 characters.
[05:32] <nevyn> Relaxation: not since long before ubuntu existed.
[05:32] <Ben64> were you on warty warthog
[05:32] <nevyn> this wasn't true on debian potato.
[05:33] <dr_willis_> on Angry Amobea? :)
[05:33] <nevyn> tho crypt was an option if you chose to disable md5 passwords (which you shouldn't do)
[05:33] <Ben64> i thought they were sha?
[05:33] <nevyn> they are now.
[05:34] <Relaxation> Well apparently it use to use DES encryption , which is what I was referring to.
[05:34] <nevyn> Ben64: so there was crypt (which was limited length) then md5 (which was reaonably broken) then sha.
[05:34] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  if you really want to dig deep into samba  - thers several books  on it in the repos under the 'samba-doc' package..  but they may be a little out of date. but they do have trouble shooting guides.. and theres askubuntu,com that may have some more up to date trobuleshooting guides
[05:34] <mong> mine uses a captain crunch decoder ring
[05:34] <dr_willis_> mong:  i use rot-13 ;)
[05:35] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> k
[05:35] <deckard> is it totally safe to run sudo apt-get autoremove?
[05:35] <dr_willis_> deckard:  it prints oiut what it will remove so you can say yes or no...
[05:35] <nevyn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypt_%28C%29
[05:35] <mong> i do so from time to time, and have not broken anything
[05:35] <deckard> ty
[05:36] <deckard> it wants to remove only "linux-image-generic
[05:36] <deckard> " safe/
[05:36] <deckard> ?
[05:36] <dr_willis_> thats an old kernel sounds like
[05:36] <deckard> so just leave it?
[05:36] <deckard> safe than sorry
[05:36] <dr_willis_> i doubt it will matter much
[05:36] <deckard> ill lve then, ty
[05:36] <dr_willis_> !info linux-image-generic
[05:36] <deckard> much help from you ty
[05:37] <dr_willis_> just a meta-package looks like.
[05:37] <dr_willis_> removeing it wont really remove anything
[05:38] <deckard> is sudo apt-get upgrade safe?
[05:38] <jmurrib21> how can i make ubuntu 13.04 to boot faster. It takes 2 minutes to start up from an USB external HDD in a brand new pc hp p2-1334
[05:38] <histo> jmurrib21: well shouldn't take that long but i'd assume it's due to disk speed
[05:39] <Ponch0> I just had a crash something about IBus version being too old?
[05:39] <Ponch0> Also some messages about GPG keyring
[05:40] <jmurrib21> i used to run ubuntu 12.10 on a laptop and I liked it how fast it boot and tasks were done fast. with the same external usb hdd
[05:40] <Ponch0> DbDriver: permission denied "passwords"
[05:40] <Ponch0> wth is going on
[05:40] <dr_willis_> external usb   and 'fast' are really oppites...
[05:40] <jmurrib21> see
[05:40] <dr_willis_> 13.04 boots in like 10-20 sec here on my ssd drive..
[05:41] <nevyn> jmurrib21: don't run it from a usb disk.
[05:41] <dr_willis_> if the same HD is slower.. there might be some usb driver bug/issue going on..
[05:41] <jmurrib21> do you think the UEFI might have something to do with it?
[05:42] <aeon-ltd> dr_willis_ from on button to usuable desktop?
[05:45] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i cant browse the network but i can use file manager and put in ip and it works but not on the wii?
[05:45] <jmurrib21> what is /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 some times when I boot it says that device needs to be mounted or skip mounting?
[05:48] <GinTonicool> hi guys,when chrome playing videos ,the sound always quiver ,shiver ,what's wrong ?
[05:48] <somsip_> GinTonicool: in youtube?
[05:49] <GinTonicool> anywhere
[05:49] <somsip_> GinTonicool: run it with google-chrome --audio-buffer-size=2048
[05:49] <somsip_> It's a known bug FITNR
[05:49] <GinTonicool> somsip, how do that in gnome desktop
[05:50] <somsip_> GinTonicool: What does that use? Menus or shortcuts?
[05:51] <GinTonicool> i do not know your meanings
[05:52] <somsip_> GinTonicool: I have never seen gnome desktop. How do you launch Chrome? Do you click on a shortcut on the desktop, or do you use a menu?
[05:52] <dave_> dr_willis_, yeah, the usb stick didnt work at all. i think im going to create an iso using windows since my dvd finally worked and then have it stored on a backup drive that i have
[05:53] <GinTonicool> i put a chrome icon on desktop and gnome panel ,i double click the icon
[05:53] <histo> GinTonicool: alt+F2 will bring up a run dialog or run his command in a terminal
[05:53] <dave_> dr_willis_, and the os's are on 2 completely seprate drives so i can manager which one boots by selecting the drive :D
[05:54] <somsip_> GinTonicool: then I guess you can right-click the icon and edit the command to include --audio-buffer-size=2048
[05:54] <GinTonicool> i check it now ,
[05:55] <aarcane> how can I get a list of all currently recommended packages, and which of the installed packages recommends them?
[05:56] <kubanc> hellow! Is there any security scanner that is checking if sites were hacked (malicious code, exploit scanner, checking if there is any suspicious code) in ubuntu server
[05:57] <somsip_> kubanc: RIPS?
[05:57] <somsip_> kubanc: hmm - that's more for looking for holes actually...
[06:00] <GinTonicool> histo ,somsip, i add this at chrome property by right click icon ---property ---command like this :/usr/bin/google-chrome --audio-buffer-size=2048 ,but it does not work
[06:01] <jmurrib21> what is /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 some times when I boot it says that device needs to be mounted or skip mounting?
[06:01] <somsip_> GinTonicool: try just running it from terminal first to see if it does fix your problem. And make sure you are using the builtin flashplugin and not an installed flashplugin. I forgot about checking that first
[06:02] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> Prock82 text
[06:02] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> text
[06:03] <kubanc> somsip_: what about OWASP?
[06:04] <somsip_> kubanc: never heard of it.
[06:04] <GinTonicool> maybe it is the fuiltin flashplugin ,,,i installed adobe flash player 11.7,,,,
[06:04] <swiss> i've touched owasp
[06:04] <swiss> what about owasp
[06:04] <swiss> kubanc: are you looking for hacked or hackable?
[06:04] <swiss> hacked is only found through logs
[06:04] <GinTonicool> how to check which plugin chrome is using when playing videos
[06:05] <dr_willis_> GinTonicool:  right click on the video?
[06:05] <somsip_> GinTonicool: in Chrome, open chrome://plugins
[06:06] <swiss> kubanc:i'm going to bed soon, but systems security is kinda my specialty, what are you looking for specifically?
[06:06] <kubanc> swiss: i'm looking for a some sort of a scanner program, that looks at my sites (most of them are Joomla) and looks for malicoius code, if the site was hacked, etc... I don't understand what you are saying with hacked or hackable..
[06:06] <somsip_> GinTonicool: I have 11.7.700.169 disabled
[06:06] <swiss> kubanc: hacked implies past tense
[06:06] <GinTonicool> not right click ,just play videos like youtube,,,,
[06:07] <swiss> kubanc: are you trying to check if exploits exist or are you trying to check if someone has exploited you
[06:07] <kubanc> swiss: I am trying to check if someone has exploited web site
[06:08] <GinTonicool> somsip ,i disabled the adobe flash player ,but now the video sites show that :no flash player installed
[06:08] <swiss> kubanc: if it has already been compromised? I suggest dumping all your logs into something like splunk and sorting through them like that
[06:08] <dr_willis_> GinTonicool:  you ashed how to see which one it was using.. it can depend on the site. html5 or  flash.. right clicking on the video shoule bring up a menu to tell you wat its using for that video
[06:08] <somsip_> GinTonicool: Is the builtin plugin enabled?
[06:08] <swiss> kubanc: for checking hackability, OWASP is generally good afaik
[06:09] <GinTonicool> what's the full name of builtin plugin
[06:10] <Prock82> .
[06:10] <somsip_> GinTonicool: surprisingly, it looks like I've actually enabled the installed plugin at /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[06:10] <somsip_> GinTonicool: And disabled the builtin at /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so
[06:11] <somsip_> GinTonicool: this is the report for this bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=224046
[06:11] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how can i get new emails to show under the Mail icon on the top menu
[06:12] <dr_willis_> ive never seen that icon show emails. ;) its more of an IM client notfication i thought.. unless thunderbird somehow works with it..
[06:12] <GinTonicool> somsip, disabled the builtin at /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so ?sure ?
[06:12] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> i saw a pic on line shiwint it
[06:13] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> also how to temove something from it
[06:13] <aarcane> htop
[06:13] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  try the system-settings -> online accounts   and enable gmail accounts perhaps.. and then  you might need to run  thunderbird and tell it to show the info.
[06:13] <kubanc> swiss: ok, for hackability, but i'm looking for software that will inform me that there's probably some strage code or files under under some path and i should check that..
[06:14] <somsip_> GinTonicool: it's not what I thought I'd done, but my 26.0.1410.63 version has working sound with builtin disabled, and installed enabled, using the --audio-buffer-size parameter. If I excluded that param, it is choppy. YMMV
[06:14] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  if you use gmail. i recall gmail-indicator applets available at some ppa's
[06:14] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> like if i open thunderbird once and never useed it, its allways there
[06:14] <DJHenjin> somebody has been trying to hack into my server
[06:14] <dr_willis_> thunderbirs most likely has some service that runs in the background would be my guess
[06:15] <dr_willis_> im not on a ubuntu bos rright  now to check out thunderbird
[06:15] <dr_willis_> !info fail2ban
[06:16] <DJHenjin> dr_willis_: any configuration needed or just install and leave alone?
[06:16] <dr_willis_> DJHenjin:  i tend to just install it and leave it. ;) then use logwatch about once a week to look at the logs
[06:16] <dr_willis_> but really i only used ot on my vps..  not like there was anything critical on it
[06:16] <DJHenjin> can logwatch be ran on a machine other than the server?
[06:16] <GinTonicool> somsip ,i'm using the same version of your
[06:17] <dr_willis_> logwatch parses the log files..
[06:17] <dr_willis_> and makes a nice report
[06:17] <DJHenjin> obviously
[06:17] <u13> сасай
[06:17] <DJHenjin> but I can only connect by SSH into my server
[06:17] <dr_willis_> so it has to have access to the log files...
[06:17] <dr_willis_> ssh can access remote files.
[06:17] <DJHenjin> but other than having access to the logs, if i have the logs on my local machine
[06:17] <dr_willis_> or you can ssh into the server and run logwatch
[06:18] <dr_willis_> i only use the most basic features of logwatch
[06:18] <GinTonicool> somsip, your builtin plugin is disabled ? how to do that , disabled /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so ?
[06:18] <supersecond> good evening
[06:19] <u13> hi niggers
[06:19] <somsip_> GinTonicool: click on the link that says 'Disable'
[06:19] <slimgeisha> hi
[06:19] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> something i just thought to do is search gmail in software center, whats the difference from the first two
[06:20] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  we dont know what 'the first two' are... we dont memorize stuff like that.
[06:20] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> take a look
[06:20] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  im not on a ubuntu box.
[06:21] <Ben64> theres also no guarantee that two people would have the same "first two"
[06:21] <guntbert_> !attitude | Roy_Newbie_13-04
[06:22] <AlbertoM> hi can you help me  whith e mail client suggestion and how to configure a outlook.com account?
[06:22] <dr_willis_> theres always a dozen ways to do somting.. so there could be several differnt gmail indicator applets. or other tools for messing with gmail.
[06:23] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> notify the arrival of new mail on gmail V.S. intergrate gmail with your desktop ... i didnt mean to sound rude , i just thought gmail V.S. all that <--- would have been quicker
[06:23] <AlbertoM> hello
[06:23] <dr_willis_> if one is a webapp - that will put a icon in the left side panel for gmail.com
[06:23] <dr_willis_> indocator-applet - puts an icon at the top right
[06:24] <GinTonicool> somsip, i disabled adobe flash plugin 11.7, and disabled /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so; now it play videos show no flash player installed , then what to do or check,thank you
[06:25] <somsip_> GinTonicool: you need to have a plugin enabled.
[06:26] <AlbertoM> Hello can yyou help me suggest me one e mail client and how to configure an @outlook.com account
[06:26] <guntbert_> !repeat | AlbertoM
[06:26] <Ben64> AlbertoM: thunderbird, check outlook.com for instructions
[06:27] <GinTonicool> all the plugins chrome is using are abled except adobe flash plugin , i do not know which exact plugin i need
[06:27] <AlbertoM> thanks
[06:27] <somsip_> GinTonicool: i've told you what my setup is, and told you YMMV. You can try it my way, or you can try it the proper way with builtin enabled and installed disabled. After that, you may need to research more
[06:27] <Ben64> GinTonicool: probably the pepper one you disabled, it comes with chrome and is the most updated version
[06:29] <DJHenjin> in /tmp what are the sess_ long string of numbers files?
[06:30] <GinTonicool> Ben64 , what it the pepper one , YMMV? i need this plugin ?
[06:30] <somsip_> GinTonicool: Your mileage May Vary - means it works for me but might not work for you.
[06:31] <GinTonicool> maybe
[06:31] <Eremes> hello guys how do I check my home folder is encrypted or not ? I can't remember wether xubuntu 12.0 gives encryption option on install
[06:31] <GinTonicool> somsip ,are you using adobe flash player ,or thers ?
[06:32] <Ben64> Eremes: df and/or mount
[06:32] <somsip_> GinTonicool: told you already
[06:32] <Eremes> I can remember after installed xubuntu asked me to write down a passpharse for unlocking something
[06:33] <GinTonicool> somsip, but i can not find the plugin YMMV in Wev Store
[06:33] <somsip_> GinTonicool: I can't help you anymore. Sorry.
[06:33] <guntbert_> Eremes: that seems to have been after choosing to encrypt your homedir
[06:33] <dr_willis_> YMMV is not a plugin
[06:33] <nitin__> hello everyone.. what are the settings to enable ubuntu system to connect from other system by ssh... ??
[06:33] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> is there a gmail app or something that works with push, so i get notify with out having to fetch every 30 sec or what ever?
[06:34] <GinTonicool> somsip ,thank you still , a lot
[06:34] <dr_willis_> nitin__:  instgall the openssh server... and let them connect..
[06:34] <Eremes> Ben64: and what am I looking for ? df or mount command did not tell me about encryption ?
[06:34] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  there may be some gmail INDICATOR-APPLETS that do that in the repos..
[06:34] <Ben64> Eremes: then pastebin them
[06:34] <nitin__> dr_willis_,   i have installed it
[06:34] <Eremes> guntbert_: still dont know how to make sure my home folder is encrypt or not
[06:35] <dr_willis_> nitin__:  so test it 'ssh ip.of.the.server'
[06:35] <nitin__> on ssh message is permission denied
[06:36] <dr_willis_> nitin__:  how are you using ssh exactly?
[06:36] <guntbert_> nitin__: 1st test: *on* the server:   shh localhost
[06:36] <nitin__> ssh system_name@ip
[06:36] <edenist> hey
[06:36] <dr_willis_> systemname? err.. use yoru users name
[06:36] <nitin__> guntbert_,  how to on the server..??
[06:36] <mong> yeah, should be user@host
[06:37] <jwdeaver> Hey, have a quick ubuntu install question for anyone that might have an answer.
[06:37] <nitin__> user and system name is same
[06:37] <guntbert_> nitin__: are you logged in on the server? Then just type    shh localhost
[06:37] <jwdeaver> shh localhost
[06:37] <bpietro> :ask
[06:37] <Eremes> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/MNn9pcxv
[06:37] <jwdeaver> lol
[06:38] <mong> that just tells the localhost to keep quiet
[06:38] <edenist> would anyone happen to know if it is a way to let a binary ignore a library before launching it with a bash script?
[06:38] <GinTonicool> when i run chrome ,it show 'could not load Shockwave Flash'
[06:39] <guntbert_> mong: please don't - this is a support channel
[06:39] <Ben64> Eremes: and df?
[06:39] <edenist> ie: i've got a bash script which eventually runs a binary.... however when I have the i386 version of libtxc_dxtn_s2tc installed, it wont launch
[06:40] <edenist> only way to launch it is to uninstall the package [which of course means other programs wont run]....
[06:40] <DJHenjin> stupid question, but i cannot apt-get remove nagios, says cirtual packages cant be removed, how the heck do i uninstall it then?
[06:40] <edenist> was wondering if there was a way to either disable the library, or just tell the binary to ignore it?
[06:40] <Eremes> Ben64:http://pastebin.com/BMS22UmF
[06:41] <Eremes> Ben64: how can u tell is encrypted enabled or not ?
[06:41] <moocow2024> I am trying to install 12.04.2 to a RAID 0 drive that has only one partition for windows 7 utilizing half the available space, with the other half unpartitioned. When I attempt to install ubuntu, I cannot get the installer to detect my raid 0 drive. I have tried unplugging my other hdds, but haven't had any luck yet. Any ideas?
[06:41] <kvothetech> edenist: what program
[06:42] <Ben64> Eremes: doesn't appear its encrypted, but it still may be
[06:42] <dopie> anyone have an idea why this pops up
[06:42] <dopie> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5597338
[06:42] <ajith> does any one knows about ltsp ubuntu clusters
[06:42] <kvothetech> edenist: if it's a parameter for the program you could always use that ..or chroot your32 bit libraryies seperately from your pure 64 bit install...
[06:42] <kvothetech> ajith: out of 1500 people here no nobody knows
[06:42] <bpietro> edenist: disable temporarily is easy: mv libtxc_dxtn_s2tc any_name_of_your_choice
[06:43] <guntbert_> DJHenjin: try to remove nagios3
[06:43] <Eremes> Ben64: I remember correctly after installed xubuntu, the system gave me a passphrase, but can't remember what its for
[06:43] <kvothetech> Eremes: your hard drive luks? boot loader?
[06:44] <kvothetech> Eremes: your user?
[06:44] <DJHenjin> guntbert_: not installed so not removed, But i know for a fact i have some form of nagios installed,... could have been from source
[06:44] <guntbert_> DJHenjin: you will need to do    apt-get auto-remove  afterwards
[06:44] <Eremes> kvothetech: I just installed it, so dont really understand about luks or boot looader , Im root
[06:45] <DJHenjin> guntbert_: It says nagios3 is not installed so is not removed
[06:45] <guntbert_> DJHenjin: when installing from source you circumvent the packaging system, so you need to uninstall the program the same way
[06:45] <Ben64> Eremes: you shouldn't be logged in as root
[06:45] <kvothetech> Eremes: i'd make a regular user to startwith then
[06:45] <edenist> ok thanks guys, will give those suggestions a go
[06:45] <Eremes> Ben64: sorry I mean I am a regular user with root access
[06:45] <kvothetech> Eremes: don't run x as root if you're in a tty use root all you want.
[06:45] <Eremes> kvothetech: thats I am now
[06:46] <Eremes> I;ve already setup password everytime I login to xubuntu, but still not sure if its encrypted or not :(
[06:46] <dopie> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5597338
[06:46] <dopie> any help here
[06:47] <Ben64> Eremes: ls -A ~/ | grep -i encrypt
[06:47] <dr_willis_> Eremes:  boot a live cd and look in the /home directory on the hd and see what files are in the users directory
[06:47] <dr_willis_> Eremes:  is one way :) but i doubt if its the best way
[06:48] <Eremes> Ben64: nothing happen with that command no list
[06:49] <Eremes> dr_willis_: will try
[06:53] <moocow2024> I have an install RAID related question if anyone has a few moments
[06:55] <cpanda> my ext4 drive is full, and even after deleting over 100mb of files it just won't free up space, df always reports 0 blocks available. I already ran fsck -f on it which says everything is fine
[06:55] <Ben64> cpanda: you should not fsck a mounted filesystem, and 100MB is not very much at all
[06:56] <DJHenjin> in ubuntu 12.04 server, are the only crontab files in /etc/cron.d
[06:57] <cpanda> it wasnt mounted, i heeded the warning. 100mb would be enough for me and is certainly >0 blocks free. df also reports less blocks used than available, but always 0 blocks free
[06:58] <Ben64> cpanda: is it not the partition ubuntu is on?
[06:58] <cpanda> yes it is
[06:58] <reetika> reetika_1983 reetika7
[06:58] <Ben64> cpanda: then how did you run fsck?
[06:58] <cpanda> gparted
[06:58] <cpanda> uh.. i mean partedmagic live cd
[06:59] <Ben64> ok, well you're still out of space then
[06:59] <Ben64> try bleachbit
[07:00] <cpanda> i already deleted stuff, i just need the drive/ext4 to report it as usable. i don't think i could run bleachbit, as with 0 bytes free i cant log into x
[07:00] <Ben64> delete more stuff
[07:01] <reetika> reetika_linux
[07:01] <dr_willis_> you can login to the console with 0 bytes free
[07:01] <dr_willis_> or should be able to at least
[07:01] <cpanda> yes i'm here via console
[07:02] <dr_willis_> i have seen where log files go crazy and write faster then people can delete stuff. ;)
[07:02] <dr_willis_> if theres nothing critical on the system you could start by removeing all the old log files
[07:03] <cpanda> yes i know, but the 0 blocks free didnt change after deleting stuff while not using the drive as a system drive
[07:03] <dr_willis_> that is weird
[07:03] <Ben64> could still be in the reserved blocks
[07:03] <dr_willis_> but 5% is reserved for root.. so its possivble its showing what the user can use..
[07:03] <dr_willis_> tune2fs can tweak  that reserved %
[07:03] <DJHenjin> for fricks sakes, ive been trying to uninstall cacti, but i cannot find the cron that its poller is set to run in
[07:04] <Eremes> dr_willis_: Im on live CD now, I can browse and see the filename, but I can't open a folder, permission denied, does it mean my folder is encrypted ?
[07:04] <cpanda> would df as root show it as free?
[07:04] <Ben64> Eremes: you can see the files in your home directory?
[07:04] <dr_willis_> Eremes:  what files are on the home/yourusername directory ?
[07:04] <Eremes> Ben64: yes I can see all my files there
[07:04] <dr_willis_> then you are not encrypted..
[07:05] <Eremes> Ben64: I can see my file config.rar
[07:05] <Ben64> the doctor is right
[07:05] <Eremes> dr_willis_: ok
[07:05] <dr_willis_> you see Desktop, and Docs, and Videos and so forth as well?
[07:05] <Eremes> dr_willis_: yes
[07:05] <dr_willis_> then you are not encrypted..
[07:05] <dr_willis_> if you were.. you would only see like 3 files
[07:05] <cpanda> dr_willis_ thanks, setting it to 1% shows free blocks again :) and df as root didnt show it before
[07:06] <Eremes> hmm xubuntu does not give any option to encrypt while install it
[07:06] <dr_willis_> cpanda:  id start with cleaning out logs and  the var/cache/apt stuff ;)
[07:06] <dr_willis_> Eremes:  i see way to many issues in here with encrypted homes..
[07:07] <Eremes> dr_willis_: maybe thats why xubuntu does not offer home encryption as installation option
[07:08] <dr_willis_> i dont use xubuntu. so no idea how its installer differs.. i thought i saw the option on the Lubuntu installer
[07:08] <qweads> which one of cfdisk, fdisk and parted should i use to partition a harddisk?
[07:08] <qweads> what are the differences
[07:08] <dr_willis_> qweads:  parted or cfdisk.. fdisk is getting obsolete
[07:08] <dr_willis_> qweads:  or gparted for a nice gui
[07:08] <Dewi> shouldn't really be any different
[07:09] <Dewi> you can always install with ubuntu and then switch
[07:09] <dr_willis_> fdisk has issues with the bigger/gpt/stuff i recall..
[07:09] <cpanda> yes, removing apt cache gave me 5%, thanks again :)
[07:09] <Ben64> you should really have more free space than that
[07:09] <Eremes> ok gtg , thanks guys for helping me especially Ben64 & dr_willis_
[07:09] <Ben64> everything gets fragmented with low free space
[07:10] <qweads> Dewi: what are you talking about?
[07:10] <Dewi> qweads: being surprised the xubuntu installer would have any differences for storage
[07:10] <cpanda> ben64 sure, if i could downsize the ntfs partition more, but that wasnt possible. the /-drive is a little over 2gb
[07:12] <aqilla> hai
[07:13] <qweads> Dewi: i think you are mistaking me for someone else
[07:13] <Dewi> qweads: I didn't say anything to you until you asked...
[07:14] <qweads> Dewi: perhaps you guys should stop making it look like im working with you all the time .. planting "evidence"
[07:15]  * Dewi laughs.
[07:16] <DJHenjin> so apparently there is NO crontab for ANY user at all on my server, yet there are still scheduled tasks running like cacti's poller, and zabbix's poller as well, how the hell is that possible
[07:16] <nevyn> DJHenjin: /etc/cron.daily
[07:16] <Dewi> DJHenjin: the system crontabs
[07:16] <Dewi> DJHenjin: also, continuously running services?
[07:17] <DJHenjin> nevyn: /etc/cron.daily doesnt have the cronjobs i am looking for,
[07:18] <Dewi> DJHenjin: ps -A | grep -i zabbix
[07:18] <DJHenjin> and Dewi, the software I am looking to remove uses cron for its scheduling apparently, but i cant find any cronjobs at all
[07:18] <Dewi> hmm ok
[07:18] <DJHenjin> Dewi, i dont want to remove zabbix,
[07:18] <DJHenjin> i want to remove cacti, and nagios
[07:19] <Dewi> DJHenjin: yeah I'm just describing one way to spot a possible continuously running daemon process
[07:19] <Dewi> DJHenjin: I don't actually know the ins and outs of zabbix or cacti
[07:19] <DJHenjin> Dewi, did that for both nagios and cacti and nothing there.
[07:19] <DJHenjin> i DONT want to remove zabbix. i want to remove Nagios and Cacti,
[07:20] <DJHenjin> i have gotten most of Cacti's files, but i keep getting emails saying that one of cacti's files is missing blah blah blah.
[07:22] <asdfasdfg> aye
[07:31] <GinTonicool> somsip,,, guys ,maybe i know why chrome sound quivers when it play on line videos
[07:32] <l057c0d3r> yeah.. i use chromium myself.. never had an issue with sound.. but this sounds interesting...
[07:32] <GinTonicool> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ,in chrome//:plugins ,in adobe flash player ,i disabled this shockwave plugin, now the sound works rightly
[07:33] <l057c0d3r> hmm  interesting..
[07:35] <SparkySparkyBoom> l057c0d3r: why chromium?
[07:35] <SparkySparkyBoom> why not the chrome release?
[07:35] <ghyth> I bought Del Inspiron 15Z - I installed ubuntu but facing issues evertime i updated the system, and the battery led is up even if the batter is full
[07:36] <ghyth> which may batter life might affected
[07:36] <sharpshooter> SparkySparkyBoom:  open-source !!
[07:36] <l057c0d3r> agree sharpshooter
[07:36] <SparkySparkyBoom> it has libs that are proprietary though
[07:36] <ghyth> and when i reboot it stuck in boot stage
[07:36] <SparkySparkyBoom> pretty much defeats the purpose of OSS
[07:36] <l057c0d3r> but better yet..  why not
[07:37] <SparkySparkyBoom> chrome is easier to download and install
[07:37] <SparkySparkyBoom> it has stable updates
[07:37] <rigo> hi
[07:37] <l057c0d3r> ghyth, ??  what was that...
[07:37] <l057c0d3r> SparkySparkyBoom, hmm sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[07:37] <ghyth> ubuntu 12.04
[07:37] <l057c0d3r> it updates from time to time.. has always worked....
[07:37] <rigo> i know that i'm talking about a mounted ftp site, but is there any chance for me to set up the mounted ftp site to my proftpd as default root?
[07:37] <l057c0d3r> never thought about switching to chorm....
[07:38] <SparkySparkyBoom> it's in the ubuntu repos?
[07:38] <SparkySparkyBoom> oh
[07:38] <SparkySparkyBoom> yea
[07:38] <sharpshooter> SparkySparkyBoom:  sure !
[07:39] <l057c0d3r> ghyth, has it worked before.. or does it hang at boot after fresh install
[07:39] <sharpshooter> SparkySparkyBoom:  if you want flash player take a look at this http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/install-pepper-flash-player-for.html
[07:39] <Akiva-Mobile> Hey I was installing ubuntu alongside windows 7, and while I was waiting, I decided to watch a youtube. The youtube crashed, my screen is locked, and I don't know what to do. Any ideas?
[07:40] <rigo> anyone? something? :)
[07:40] <SparkySparkyBoom> meh
[07:40] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, yes, even when i reinstalll it one time it works another time it didn't
[07:40] <Akiva-Mobile> the only thing I can do it seems is goto alt+ctrl f1 etc
[07:40] <SparkySparkyBoom> chrome is better
[07:41] <l057c0d3r> Akiva-Mobile, so alt f7 just takes u to a blank screen i take it
[07:41] <Akiva-Mobile> l057c0d3r: Yes,
[07:42] <l057c0d3r> u were using firefox correct
[07:42] <Akiva-Mobile> Yes
[07:42] <l057c0d3r> u could try loging in to tty1 and doing a sudo killall firefox
[07:42] <dr_willis_> hmm.. live cd dosent have flash.. guess it was a html5 video?
[07:42] <Akiva-Mobile> okay I'll try
[07:42] <l057c0d3r> and trying to go back to f7
[07:42] <l057c0d3r> not sure if that will help though
[07:42] <l057c0d3r> dr_willis_, i didnt think about that actually
[07:43] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, the funy thing now it's working - after I restart the computer it will stop
[07:43] <ghyth> restart it one more time - it will work
[07:43] <Akiva-Mobile> dr_willis_: I installed it
[07:43] <l057c0d3r> ghyth, that is strange.. im looking it up atm
[07:43] <dr_willis_> oh the humanity! ;)
[07:43] <l057c0d3r> dr_willis_, if he restarts the unity desktop from tty1.. will the install process still be running....
[07:44] <dr_willis_> Akiva-Mobile:  well if you are lucky killing firefox - might get the desktop back
[07:44] <l057c0d3r> and more importantly visible
[07:44] <Akiva-Mobile> dr_willis_: not lucky
[07:44] <Akiva-Mobile> dr_willis_: still blank
[07:44] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> im having ubuntu 13.04 host a smb share.. the iphone with app connects to it, Files from the launcher works, but the wii wont! any advice, and the wii is online
[07:45] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  so basically everything else on the lan sees the share except the  wii?
[07:45] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> yes
[07:45] <Akiva-Mobile> killing firefox didnt work
[07:46] <l057c0d3r> ghyth, are u booting in uefi mode or standard mode from the bios
[07:46] <l057c0d3r> u said windows 7 so i would say no uefi
[07:46] <Ben64> uh.... the wii doesn't connect to samba
[07:46] <Akiva-Mobile> my main concern is whether the disk partitioner is still working. I don't wan't to interupt my installation and lose 2 terrabytes of data
[07:46] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> ill try a restart brb
[07:46] <dr_willis_> Roy_Newbie_13-04:  you could check the samba logs and /var/log/auth* log files and see  if the samba server gives a reason to refuse the connection. or if its even seeing the connections at all.
[07:47] <l057c0d3r> Akiva-Mobile, well i guess u could use top from tty1 and see how active the install process is...
[07:47] <Akiva-Mobile> ah
[07:47] <l057c0d3r> if it goes dead....  most likely it is done...
[07:47] <Akiva-Mobile> I fixed it
[07:47] <Akiva-Mobile> sudo killall plugin-container
[07:47] <Akiva-Mobile> thanks guys
[07:47] <dr_willis_> 'flash' the pc killer! ;)
[07:47] <l057c0d3r> lol oh yeah firefox uses plugin-container..  didnt think about that
[07:47] <Akiva-Mobile> dr_willis_: is gnash good ?
[07:48] <l057c0d3r> does chromium?
[07:48] <dr_willis_> Akiva-Mobile:  never used  it.
[07:48] <l057c0d3r> Akiva-Mobile, finance app
[07:48] <l057c0d3r> hmm i think kmymoney is nice
[07:48] <dr_willis_> if i want a flash video. o tend to use flash-download apps..
[07:48] <dr_willis_> i think he means the open sourced flash thang
[07:48] <l057c0d3r> oh
[07:49] <l057c0d3r> maybe i am just lucky.. but adobe flash has always done me good...
[07:49] <Akiva-Mobile> heh
[07:49] <dr_willis_> i rarely have flash issues.. but i have older pcs.
[07:49] <l057c0d3r> but as dr_willis_ i do use fetchers most the time and watch in vlc..
[07:49] <dr_willis_> other then the smurf-people issue.. a few months back.. ;)
[07:50] <Akiva-Mobile> it is a live cd so :P
[07:50] <dr_willis_> there was a extension for firefox that made flash play in vlc in the browser..  but its been discontinued
[07:50] <Akiva-Mobile> interesting
[07:50] <Akiva-Mobile> lol it crashed again :P
[07:51] <dr_willis_> any other use for flash -- then just playing vidoes... i imagine should be outlawed. ;)  silly idiotic sites with 5+ flash animation banner ads...
[07:51] <dr_willis_> then they ALL start playing sound at the same time...
[07:51] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, UEFI
[07:51] <l057c0d3r> dr_willis_, ad block pro  :-)
[07:51] <Phryq> hey, my sound doesn't work, either from speakers or headphone jack. (The jack physically broke earlier, so I think it's unrelated
[07:51] <l057c0d3r> oh and flashblock plugin
[07:52] <dr_willis_> bbl
[07:52] <Phryq> anyone able to help?
[07:52] <njillings> Phryq> give us a bit more than 'it won't work' Whats your version, whats your card and what have you already tried
[07:52] <l057c0d3r> Phryq, in term type alsamixer....
[07:53] <l057c0d3r> go through and make sure everything is turned up and not muted
[07:53] <l057c0d3r> may have to use f6 to switch between cards if you have an hdmi port ext
[07:53] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, did you see a case such as mine !?
[07:53] <l057c0d3r> yeah....  but they were all trying to boot in uefi mode
[07:54] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, me too it's uefi mode
[07:55] <Phryq> thanks guys. AlsaMixer v1.0.25, Card: HDA Intel PCH, Chip: Intel PantherPoint HDMI
[07:55] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, but can't find why it happened
[07:55] <Kartagis> !pin
[07:56] <l057c0d3r> is uefi mode needed..  maybe disable it in bios..
[07:56] <l057c0d3r> i dont believe windows 7 needs it like 8
[07:56] <njillings> Phryq> have you checked in Alsa mixer the routing? On one of the tabs there should be a dropdown explaining your card config. If you select Digital Out it should go to HDMI, any of the Analogue outs should then use your normal soundcard speakers / headphones
[07:57] <l057c0d3r> maybe check to make sure legacy mode is enabled in the bios/csm
[07:57] <vic> how do i check python version installed/
[07:57] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, I enabled it and then disabled it and try in both ways but it's the same
[07:57] <ghyth> :(
[07:57] <DJHenjin> have you tried [ython --help
[07:57] <Phryq> Master dB gain was actually on mute (I'd never seen this ALSA mixer before). I've unmuted it, but still no sound. Should I restart my computer? Sorry I'm very nube.
[07:57] <l057c0d3r> vic python --version
[07:57] <njillings> python --version
[07:58] <njillings> Phryq> have you followed my last? Make sure the ALSA is sending audio to the right place
[07:58] <Phryq> ok guys, I'm really dumb. It was actually just a mute thing. Thanks so much
[07:58] <vic> thanks.
[07:59] <Phryq> I didn't know this mixer existed, so I don't know how I muted it this was. It was the PCM being muted.
[07:59] <l057c0d3r> Phryq, glad to help :-p
[07:59] <vic> i have a file unlocker.py how do i execute it?
[07:59] <njillings> phryq> no probs
[07:59] <Phryq> Can I use the ALSA mixer to do effects like compression on any audio outputed from my computer? that would be really cool
[08:00] <l057c0d3r> i don't believe so
[08:01] <l057c0d3r> ghyth  goes your windows 7 boot with ueif tunred off and legacy on...
[08:01] <njillings> Phryq> not really, better to use JACK as that supports routing and DSP. Not sure you want to do that anyway though, will not sound good on 90% of stuff
[08:01] <l057c0d3r> if so..  maybe try turing legacy on and ueif off.. and reinstalling ubuntu
[08:01] <njillings> !jack
[08:02] <Phryq> I'm thinking how I watch a lot of Noam Chomsky lectures and the audio is so terrible, even though what he says is so brilliant
[08:02] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, no windows anymore, I'm a linux guy - do I need to reinstall it !!!!
[08:02] <vic> can somebody help me execute a python script
[08:02] <Phryq> I know what I'm doing with audio (in windows at least) it's just linux I don't know.
[08:02] <ghyth> l057c0d3r, and the external speakers is not working too
[08:03] <l057c0d3r> well as long as there is nothing u need to back up... i would try a reinstall with ueif off an legacy on...
[08:03] <njillings> Phryq> Play them in VLC, it has built in audio DSP functions I think
[08:03] <l057c0d3r> and for the speaker it may be a mute issue like the other persons issue
[08:03] <Phryq> ah, I'll try that
[08:03] <l057c0d3r> alsamixer in term might help
[08:04] <njillings> Phryq> you go to Tools, Effects, Audio Effects and it has a compressor, GEQ and a load of video effects
[08:04] <A1Recon> Can the archive manager open rar files?
[08:04] <l057c0d3r> yes vlc is amazing
[08:04] <l057c0d3r> A1Recon, i believe so..  u may need to install unrar though....
[08:05] <Oasa> can anyone help me in finding free vpn with ubuntu like hotspotshield or hideman
[08:05] <l057c0d3r> sudo apt-get install unrar
[08:05] <Phryq> is there any way to add plugins to it? like VSTs?
[08:05] <njillings> Phryq> not VSTs, you can write C/C++ code for it. Read the VLC website. I haven't done any but it is possible
[08:05] <rigo> i did the mapping with the curlftpfs to /mnt/ftp if i set up in proftpd as default root the /mnt the ftp directory is not visible.
[08:06] <rigo> log sais: chroot to '/mnt/ftp/' failed for user 'xbmc': Operation not permitted
[08:06] <njillings> Phryq> here's on good site: http://code.google.com/p/vlc-shares/wiki/HowToNewPlugin
[08:06] <A1Recon> l057c0d3r: it says "This requires installing packages from unauthenticated sources." for "rar unrar"
[08:07] <Phryq> thanks
[08:07] <A1Recon> Is there some other way to open rar files in ubuntu?
[08:07] <Oasa> free vpn in ubuntu?
[08:08] <Ben64> Oasa: openvpn
[08:08] <l057c0d3r> A1Recon, what said that
[08:08] <njillings> Oasa> openVPN
[08:08] <Oasa> i mean free vpn server like hotspotshiield
[08:08] <bazhang> !ot | Oasa
[08:08] <A1Recon> l057c0d3r: The Archive Manager
[08:08] <l057c0d3r> did u install unrar?
[08:08] <bazhang> Oasa, that has Nothing to do with Ubuntu support
[08:08] <A1Recon> l057c0d3r: Is there some other way to open rar files in ubuntu?
[08:09] <njillings> Oasa> OpenVPN can be configured as a client or Server
[08:10] <Kartagis> A1Recon: install rar package
[08:10] <Kartagis> !info rar
[08:10] <Hounddog> good morning folks... having a slight problem with the installation... keyboard/mouse are not working... infact i think my usb ports are not working at all
[08:10] <rigo> is there any chance for me to recevie an answer from someone? :)
[08:10] <Akiva-Mobile> mmmmm, I just installed ubuntu alongside windows, but the grub is not coming up. It's just a windows repair screen
[08:10] <AlbertoM> Hey  i try  i search and i can not configre a email account on tunderbird is  @outlook.com
[08:10] <Kartagis> !grub | Akiva-Mobile
[08:11] <A1Recon> Kartagis: command for installing rar and unrar? "sudo apt-get install rar"?
[08:11] <njillings> rigo> not sure, but are you sure your user has permissions to do mounting? generally only roots
[08:11] <Akiva-Mobile> Kartagis: I am dealing with UEFI
[08:11] <Kartagis> A1Recon: yes
[08:11] <Akiva-Mobile> and that doesnt answer my question. Grub does not appear. I can't boot ubuntu
[08:11] <Hounddog> Akiva-Mobile: you isntalling next to windows 8?
[08:11] <Kartagis> !uefi
[08:11] <rigo> i used the command with xbmc user and sudo, after that i gave write permissions to all
[08:11] <Akiva-Mobile> Hounddog: windows 7
[08:11] <Hounddog> ahh i am just installing beside 8
[08:12] <njillings> rigo: sorry, not something I know much about
[08:12] <l057c0d3r> hmm ok so unrar is the non free version
[08:12] <l057c0d3r> but heh thats what i was saying to do
[08:12] <Kartagis> Akiva-Mobile: then follow !grub. it should help you
[08:12] <Kartagis> !grub | Akiva-Mobile
[08:13] <rigo> but its not an unpossible thing right? so i would like to mount an ftp site to my local system, and give the path as the root of the local proftpd server. (the site is a porn site which i have to develope. and the proxy here where i work does not allows such connections :D)
[08:14] <Hounddog> as i am installing next to windows 8 once i get ubuntu running in try mode i can safely install it right?
[08:14] <Ben64> rigo: sounds like a bad idea
[08:15] <njillings> rigo> theoretically it should do, I mount SFTP using the inbuilt SFTP but generally it is only stable when I am inside the network. Better to just download and put a local web server on your machine to develop it, and then push the updates
[08:15] <vic> how do i execute a python script (unlocker.py)
[08:16] <njillings> vic> in terminal -- python unlocker.py
[08:16] <olegb> vic: or chmod +x unlocker.py
[08:16] <njillings> vic: assuming you have cd'd to the right directory already
[08:16] <rigo> its another unusable filesystem right?
[08:17] <vic> njilings: how do i have the cd'd to the right directory
[08:17] <olegb> vic: that would make the script executable
[08:18] <Hounddog> so... here is a challenge... how to check why usb is not working without keyboard and mouse....
[08:18] <njillings> vic: in terminal, it defaults to your local directory. If your directory is stored in your documents folder, you can either do 'python Documents/unlocker.py' or you can cd Documents and then you can just run 'python unlocker.py'
[08:18] <njillings> !cd
[08:19] <vic> njillings:chmod: cannot access ‘unlocker.py’: No such file or directory
[08:19] <njillings> vic> where is your file stored?
[08:20] <vic> njillings: downloads
[08:20] <rigo> what would be your opinion?
[08:21] <njillings> vic> ok, then in terminal type in cd Downloads. Type in ls and you should see the file listed. Re-run your chmod command (or just run python unlocker.py)
[08:21] <Ben64> vic: you should be careful running downloaded scripts
[08:21] <l057c0d3r> Ben64, the good thing about scripts.. if you know the language u can look at it and see what it does
[08:21] <njillings> Ben64> true, but I'm assuming that vic knows where the script came from and what it does
[08:22] <rigo> nevermind i have access to my homeserver via vnc it's just simply faster to develope from the local pc
[08:22] <Ben64> njillings: but doesn't know how to run a python script? :S
[08:22] <vic> Ben64: the code came from freecode.com
[08:23] <njillings> Ben64> Like I said, I'm not assuming anything. I provide advice on solving a problem, not giving people life lessons in computing
[08:23] <vic> thanks | njillings
[08:23] <olegb> Hounddog: you could try and ssh to the box - assuming that you have a sshd running
[08:24] <Ben64> i don't just let people jump off cliffs
[08:24] <njillings> rigo: by mounting your FTP on your local directrory, you aren't developing locally, you are simply providing a short-cut to the server. By developing locally and uploading to the server, that would be local development
[08:24] <rigo> you misunderstand em
[08:24] <rigo> me
[08:24] <manish__> hello does anybody know how to create custom ui for ubuntu tpuch?
[08:24] <manish__> touch
[08:25] <bazhang> !touch | manish__
[08:25] <bazhang> manish__, /join #ubuntu-touch
[08:25] <njillings> Ben64> I don't either, but I'm not standing by the cliff, just saying I don't know the whole story and I dont have time to. Nor does this channel
[08:25] <rigo> i mean to run the netbeans on the local computer and connect to the site through my home server. got the point? :)
[08:25] <manish__> i have alerady joined there
[08:25] <bazhang> manish__, so be patient
[08:25] <autra> hello
[08:25] <autra> my system is not booting since the new kernel update...
[08:26] <autra> can someone help me to diagnose it ? (I have access to the logs, as I have a bootable usb stick)
[08:26] <njillings> autra: what is the problem, no GUI?
[08:26] <njillings> autra: or it just freezes
[08:26] <manish__> bazhang....i am not dev i am just a business man planning to start mobile company with ubuntu on it ..so please can anybody guide me how to start
[08:27] <njillings> !touch | manish
[08:27] <bazhang> manish__, yes. be patient with the questions you ask in #ubuntu-touch .
[08:27] <manish__> ok bazhang i am patient...
[08:28] <manish__> bazhang i have couple of questions can you answer me?
[08:28] <bazhang> manish__, about ubuntu touch?
[08:28] <manish__> yes bazhang about ubuntu tpuch
[08:29] <manish__> touch
[08:29] <autra> njillings, it does not boot entirely
[08:29] <autra> no tty, no login screen
[08:29] <bazhang> manish__, as I have said. Please Be Patient. #ubuntu-touch will hopefully answer you.
[08:29] <Ben64> autra: can you get to grub? (hint - repeatedly smash left shift during boot)
[08:29] <autra> I'm looking at dmesg and var/boot.log but...
[08:29] <vic> how do i identify active usb ports
[08:29] <autra> Ben64, yes,
[08:29] <njillings> autra: on GRUB loader, you should have an option to go into advanced options (I think) and there it should give a list of kernels, select the last that worked
[08:29] <manish__> ok bazhang thanks a lot..
[08:30] <Ben64> autra: try an older kernel
[08:30] <autra> so I tested the previeous kernel already njillings
[08:30] <autra> and it worked
[08:30] <autra> so I know the problem is with the last kernel
[08:30] <autra> I had problem shutting down on the previous kernel though
[08:31] <autra> but at least it is booting
[08:31] <autra> I wanted to diagnose that
[08:31] <njillings> njillings: hmm, not sure I can identify the problem for you. Maybe someone else here can, otherwise have you researched  on the Ubuntu Forum and for any known bugs on Launchpad?
[08:32] <autra> njillings, I will, thanks
[08:40] <xlaire> hello, i have question, in TOP command, theres my username and root
[08:40] <xlaire> what difference and how to login as a root
[08:41] <Ben64> !root | xlaire
[08:42] <bazhang> xlaire, dont login a s root. there is simply no need
[08:42] <xlaire> ok so i can't kill process under root?
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> xlaire: some processes run as root
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> xlaire: sure, you can use sudo kill nickserv PID
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> oops
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> sudo kill PID
[08:43] <xlaire> i will try to kill one process
[08:43] <rajumoh> to become root use $sudo su root
[08:43] <Ben64> don't do that ^
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: sudo -i    is a little better
[08:43] <bazhang> rajumoh, thats not correct
[08:43] <rajumoh> bazhang: with all due respect it works
[08:43] <Ben64> not correctly it doesn't
[08:44] <youknowme> so many guys
[08:44] <Ben64> its actually less typing to do it the right way, so why not?
[08:44] <bazhang> rajumoh, sudo -i is the correct command. yours does not. Please NEVER recommend that here, thanks.
[08:44] <xlaire> ok please don't argue, then what is zombie means?
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: yes it may work but the environment (which you don't immediately see) isn't right
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: sudo for GUI apps 'works' too, but is also not right
[08:45] <Ben64> can break your login like that
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> xlaire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
[08:46] <xlaire> ty for link
[08:46] <rajumoh> bazhang,ActionParsnip: yeah just noticed that the environment seems to be different. can one of point to any links where this is documented
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: in the man page is a good start :). It may be documented online
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: or do you mean gui apps with sudo and not gksudo?
[08:49] <rajumoh> ActionParsnip: with gui apps i use kdesudo or gksudo that was not the problem. with  terminal i have been using sudo su root for so long havent actually ever met a situation where there was problems
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> rajumoh: good, gk/kdesudo is important :D
[08:50] <cpanda> i tend to use sudo bash, is that wrong too?
[08:50] <Ben64> yeah
[08:51] <Ben64> dunno why you guys need a root shell so often, but the correct way is sudo -i
[08:51] <xlaire> i'm intrigue with the link given to me, i saw a code c++, is there a msdn for ubuntu and if write a code, does it required editor / compiler to run my code?
[08:51] <rajumoh> ActionParsnip: frankly i typed in the command to become root, for fun sake , it always seems to get this room abuzz. but sudo -i was a bit new to me :-p
[08:52] <Ben64> xlaire: is there a microsoft dev network for ubuntu? ha. no.
[08:52] <xlaire> kinda like i mean
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> xlaire: its just an example
[08:53] <xlaire> please give an example
[09:00] <dr_willis> splash:  please dont do an ON JOIN spam of your silly spammy site...
[09:01] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how do i undo the ppa cryptfolder-indicator and purge it
[09:01] <dr_willis> !ppa-purge
[09:02] <dr_willis> you can apt-get remove packagename   if you know the packagename  Roy_Newbie_13-04
[09:03] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> what was the ppa so i can get rid of that
[09:03] <dr_willis> you added the ppa.. so i have no idea
[09:03] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> purge the ppa, it totaly sucks, locks up, comand line is so much easyer
[09:03] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> someone here game the ppa connamd to me
[09:05] <dr_willis> look at your hiatory buffer, if you ysed the cli to add it.. or look in /etc/sources.list.d
[09:05] <Kartagis> how do I upgrade an installed package through PPA?
[09:05] <dr_willis> history command shows your cli history
[09:06] <dr_willis> enable the ppa - sudo apt-get update. sudo apt-get upgrade.. and it shouldl upgrade it
[09:07] <arpit> Hi I am getting the following error while linking
[09:07] <arpit> hh
[09:08] <arpit> hidden symbol `fstat' in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc_nonshared.a
[09:08] <arpit> is refrenced by DSO
[09:08] <arpit> can someone please explain
[09:09] <Gune> (Writing this here since I couldnt write in #linux) Hey guys, question about rsync. I have 2-3 server which has websites on them and I would like to back these up on a regular basis to a windows machine, and for this I would like to use rsync to make the backups incremental. Would the rsync command i need to execute have to be executed on the windows machine or can I initiate the rsync process on the linux machine directly?
[09:09] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> how could i grep ppa in hte history
[09:09] <Ben64> Roy_Newbie_13-04: cat ~/.bash_history | grep ppa
[09:09] <rudivs> I've seen some online tutorials suggesting that installing itunes from playonlinux is the way to go (assuming you need itunes). I don't see it as an option in 12.10 - am I doing something wrong, or has it been removed?
[09:09] <dr_willis> its possible the #linux channel  may require you to be 'identified' to the services Gune  and have a regiestered nick.
[09:10] <Roy_Newbie_13-04> thanks
[09:10] <Jonathan_> Hello, Should I use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or 13.04
[09:10] <Jonathan_> Any suggestions
[09:10] <Jonathan_> What are the main differences
[09:10] <Jonathan_> ?
[09:10] <dr_willis> history | grep pattern          Roy_Newbie_13-04  can also work
[09:10] <dr_willis> 13.04 has newer updated packages.. and a bit more polish
[09:10] <dr_willis> and some neat new features.. (just a few)
[09:11] <Ben64> Jonathan_: 12.04 is lts, which means its supported until 2017. 13.04 is not, and requires an update to 13.10 by January 2014
[09:11] <dr_willis> if LTS is imporntant to you.. use LTS
[09:11] <bazhang> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2012-10/msg00149.html    arpit
[09:11] <dr_willis> if newer stuff is imporntant.. use the latest release
[09:15] <sonofzeus> Hey there
[09:15] <sonofzeus> Does anyone here use gnumeric?
[09:15] <kvothetech> sonofzeus: nope
[09:15] <A1Recon> how to update GPU drivers? I am not running the proprietary drivers.
[09:15] <kvothetech> dr_willis: hi sorry left earlier id you get the raid/lvm issue you had sorted
[09:16] <kvothetech> A1Recon: apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[09:16] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  wasent me. ;) was some other guy
[09:16] <kvothetech> dr_willis: sorry been drinking don't do that much...thought it was you sorry
[09:16] <chesty> hey, I installed linux-image-generic-lts-raring to work around a kvm bug but the nvidia card is a little unhappy, there's no xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-raring package. does anyone know how to look up why a package is missing?
[09:16] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  if you install the .run drivers package.. then thats what you have to keep on doing..
[09:17] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  if you are using drivers from the repos.. apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade pulls in any updates
[09:17] <kvothetech> chesty: hc, there's a package for nvidia but you have to compile it again since you changed kernels it has to rebuild the modules
[09:18] <kvothetech> chesty: unless you built them in which i don't think nvidia lets you
[09:18] <chesty> kvothetech: ok, but why is there a xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-quantal but not a xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-raring?
[09:19] <kvothetech> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau doesn't work ?
[09:19] <dr_willis> raring is not a  'lts' release perhaps?  or is that what lts means in that nam
[09:19] <dr_willis> chesty:  you are using a raring kernel  in quantal?
[09:19] <kvothetech> chesty: because theres no reason to have seperate packages for nouveau that i can think of...
[09:19] <chesty> dr_willis: no, i'm on 12,04 lts with the raring lts kernel
[09:20] <A1Recon> dr_willis: Does Chromium update on its own??
[09:20] <dr_willis> chesty:  you may want to look into the updated kernel ppa's and perhaps the xswat ppa. for  12.04 instead of trying to force in a raring package
[09:20] <kvothetech> dr_willis: chesty why do you need seperate novouie packages...it's all the same all it does is add the modules to your kernel.
[09:21] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  againn.. if you insgtall stuff from the  repos.. then they should update automatically
[09:21] <kvothetech> A1Recon: yes if you grabbed it from apt to begin with if not you can redl the source and recompile a new one at leisure
[09:21] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade    (or perhaps   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade) and you should be all updated
[09:23] <kvothetech> dr_willis: i think you dropped as i answered something / asked one sec
[09:23] <kvothetech> dr_willis: chesty why do you need seperate novouie packages...it's all the same all it does is add the modules to your kernel.
[09:23] <dr_willis> silly andchat client on android likes to craash on nick completion..
[09:24] <chesty> dr_willis: i'm not forcing raring package, the *-lts-raring packages are in 12.04 lts repo
[09:24] <dr_willis> so it always crashes right in the middle of a concersation. ;)
[09:24] <dr_willis> chesty:  so its from the backports repo?
[09:24] <chesty> dr_willis: i
[09:24] <chesty> dr_willis: i'm not sure. it's a standard 12.04 lts, and some quantal and raring packages are available
[09:25] <A1Recon> kvothetech: I installed it from the Ubuntu Software Center
[09:25] <dr_willis> that seems weird.. but i alwayas stick to the latest release. ;)
[09:25] <kvothetech> chesty: kvm doesn't work in lts release of ubuntu..that sounds like a pretty serious error
[09:25] <kvothetech> or is that just me
[09:25] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  and the software center is a front end to the apt packageing system
[09:25] <penos_> how to run ubuntu in debian?
[09:25] <kvothetech> A1Recon: which uses apt/dpkg.
[09:26] <dr_willis> penos_:  run it in virtulbox
[09:26] <dr_willis> virtualbox
[09:26] <penos> hi
[09:26] <penos> virtual box is good
[09:27] <kvothetech> penos: kvm is pretty much already built in
[09:27] <chesty> kvothetech: it's a bug with this particular hardware, it works fine for 99% of people
[09:27] <A1Recon> dr_willis: So they should update on their own?
[09:27] <kvothetech> chesty: ah ok
[09:27] <kvothetech> A1Recon: yes...that's what we already said...
[09:27] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  for the 4th time... YES
[09:27] <Rufus> hi
[09:28] <kvothetech> Rufus: hi
[09:28] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  thats like a MAJOR point of using a packageing manager system like APT
[09:28] <kvothetech> hmm he ddidn't even ask a questien
[09:29] <MortimerCat> Please can somewhere explain updates, ie I am sticking with 12.04 LTS, does this mean my PHP version is stuck at 5.3.10?
[09:29] <MortimerCat> I mean if I just stick to the default repositories, obviously I could upgrade PHP by itself.
[09:29] <kvothetech> MortimerCat: if it's the one in the repo then for now yes
[09:29] <dr_willis> MortimerCat:  unless theres some big reason.. ubuntu normally only updates versions of packages  with the next release.
[09:29] <dr_willis> !latest | MortimerCat
[09:30] <A1Recon> dr_willis: kvothetech: Sorry still a novice on Ubuntu.... I am trying to learn....sometimes its just downright confusing... Thanks for your help....
[09:30] <kvothetech> A1Recon: what's confusing..
[09:30] <penos> how to run ms dos in linux?
[09:30] <penos> *in ubuntu
[09:30] <kvothetech> penos: again kvm/vbox
[09:30] <kvothetech> Rufus: wb
[09:30] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  works basically like  how steam, or your android market does ...  the market app  handles all the updates as needed...
[09:30] <llutz> !info dosbox | penos
[09:30] <Rufus> thanks
[09:31] <kvothetech> penos: or that
[09:32] <A1Recon> kvothetech: So many softwares for ubuntu, (and I have been a Win7 user since Kindergarten) and all the ways to install them. Its confusing but I am learning...
[09:32] <dr_willis> freedos in vbox ;)
[09:32] <voxadam> Does anyone know of a command line program to rename MP3 files using the ID3 data that they are tagged with?
[09:32] <kvothetech> dr_willis: what's vbox have kvm doesnt if you don't mind me asking
[09:32] <dr_willis> compared to all the confuseing things you have to do in windows.. :)
[09:32] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  its kooler. :)  then again.. its all i really use..
[09:32] <dr_willis> so that makes it cooler.
[09:32] <kvothetech> voxadam: mediainfo shows all that info you could use that mv and grep ...
[09:33] <kvothetech> dr_willis: lol i'm just asking cause far as i can tell it's more or less built in whereas vbox isnt
[09:33] <llutz> voxadam: http://superuser.com/questions/555401/linux-command-line-tool-to-batch-rename-mp3-files-based-on-id3-tag-info-or-give
[09:33] <dr_willis> voxadam:  there are several mp3 renamer tools in the repos..
[09:33] <voxadam> kvothetech: Thanks. I'll take a look at that. I'm sure it'll take me some time as I'm not a shell guru but it'll be a learning experience.
[09:33] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  ive never really messed with kvm. but i tend to run vbox  in windows - to run linux...
[09:33] <voxadam> dr_willis: Thanks.
[09:34] <kvothetech> dr_willis: oh..you run windows not inux :(
[09:34] <dr_willis> or use vbox to test out live iso files
[09:34] <Fazer2> hey, can I download library sources from package manager? (i.e. synaptic)
[09:34] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  depds on which desk im at. ;)
[09:34] <Fazer2> or from terminal
[09:34] <kvothetech> Fazer2: huh you can dl source only not install it
[09:35] <dr_willis> Fazer2:  sudo apt-get build-dep packagename    or         theres some download source option i recall
[09:35] <dr_willis> Fazer2:  depending on exactly what you want to do
[09:35] <dr_willis> !source
[09:35] <llutz> apt-get source foo
[09:35] <voxadam> dr_willis: Thanks. I don't know why I didn't just search. It looks like id3ren does what I need.
[09:35] <Fazer2> kvothetech: I want to look at Botan sources (not header files)
[09:36] <kvothetech> Fazer2: then dl the source git svn or the above..
[09:37] <kvothetech> voxadam: it's ok a lot of people here haven't read he basic 'how to ask questions the smart way' doc...
[09:37] <Fazer2> llutz: thanks
[09:39] <dr_willis> that build-dep option to apt - can save a lot of time if you are trying to recompile somthing. ;)
[09:39] <dr_willis> assuming it has an older version in the repos
[09:40] <kvothetech> dr_willis: but that assumes apt knows what compile options you want...
[09:40] <kvothetech> or are using
[09:40] <schnitzel-> quick queestion. why is the latest 13.04 64bit image named sth with AMD?
[09:40] <schnitzel-> i have an intel but 64 bit?!
[09:40] <schnitzel-> or i am just stupid?
[09:40] <kvothetech> schnitzel-: because amd made the first 64 bit and you might be we dont know..
[09:41] <schnitzel-> hehe i might. yes.
[09:41] <schnitzel-> sometimes i am. very.
[09:41] <kvothetech> schnitzel-: it's always been amd64 orx86_64  ...
[09:41] <llutz> schnitzel-: amd64 is fine if you don't have an itanium
[09:41] <schnitzel-> well. not the proud owner of a 64 bit system for long..so i wont know.
[09:41] <schnitzel-> but the name is not good anyways. just cause they did it first?!
[09:42] <schnitzel-> i downloaded the image. raged cause it "was the wrong". deleted it...
[09:42] <schnitzel-> well. now i am donlwoading it again lol
[09:42] <dr_willis> its been called that for.. like  5+ years? ;)
[09:42] <kvothetech> schnitzel-: intels version is entirely compatible.....i think amd allows bulldozer and intel allows hyperthreading...
[09:42] <kvothetech> dr_willis: more like 10 now..2002/3
[09:42] <dr_willis> intel licensed the 64bit extensions from AMD i belive is what the wiki pedia stuff says
[09:42] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  NOW i feel old!   get off my lawn!
[09:43] <schnitzel-> kk. so you would recommend to install the amd image for 64 if you have a 64 bit machine? and not the standard 32bit image?
[09:43] <llutz> schnitzel-: yes
[09:43] <kvothetech> dr_willis: lol i'm an ancient 23 and i know that..
[09:43] <schnitzel-> thank you.
[09:43] <schnitzel-> :D
[09:43] <dr_willis> i use 64bit os on all 64bit hardware
[09:43] <schnitzel-> perfect. well. the name still sucks :P and thank you again ;)
[09:43] <kvothetech> schnitzel-: yes..use 64 if you have 64 bit unless you have a good reason not to and if you have to ask you dont have one
[09:43] <dr_willis> name makes perfect sense
[09:44] <schnitzel-> maybe to you. to me it suggest its build specialy for amd hardware.
[09:44] <schnitzel-> so i searched for a "intel 64bit version"....
[09:44] <dr_willis> there is no need for any special amd builds in anything that ive seen.. in decades
[09:44] <schnitzel-> so why the name? :p
[09:45] <schnitzel-> well. nvm ;)
[09:45] <kvothetech> schnitzel-: it's always been amd64 or x86_64
[09:45] <dr_willis> schnitzel-:  because amd  came out with the 64bit extensions.. and its what intel licensed
[09:45] <schnitzel-> okokok
[09:45] <dr_willis> i dont have time to find thee wikipedia entry ;)
[09:46] <kvothetech> dr_willis: they actually do have there own version..just other than the itanium and a few others nothing really uses it