[12:59] <maxamillion> anyone know of a gui network config front end that is known to function with ndiswrapper?
[01:00] <somerville32> Nope
[01:00] <somerville32> lol
[01:00] <maxamillion> erm...
[01:00] <maxamillion> i finally got it to see that the wifi card exists ...
[01:01] <maxamillion> wifi-radar doesn't pick anything up though ... but i had heard it doesn't work with ndiswrapper ... which appears to be true
[01:03] <somerville32> Hrmph
[01:04] <maxamillion> looks like my only option is network-manager-gnome
[01:06] <maxamillion> nvm, once that is installed i can find the command to execute it and i don't know where it is ... whereis turned up nothing
[01:09] <TheSheep> maxamillion: just see the list of files in package
[01:09] <maxamillion> ah, rgr
[01:11] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah ... still no help
[01:16] <Jester45> i got my new ram
[01:17] <maxamillion> awesome
[01:17] <Jester45> yeps
[01:32] <Jester45> ok i got a question on power supplies
[01:33] <Jester45> on the red switch on theback what setting is higher the one showing the higher number or the space wherethe higher number would be
[01:36] <Jester45> Windows XP - The 64-bit wannabe with a 32-bit graphics interface for 16-bit extensions to a 8-bit patch on a 4-bit operating system designed to run on a 2-bit processor by a company that can't stand 1-bit of competition
[01:36] <Jester45> so true
[02:18] <grumpymole>  /quit
[02:24] <Eroick> does Deskbar work on xubuntu and can I install xubuntu with a alternative install disk?
[02:27] <somerville32> yes and yes
[02:28] <Eroick> somerville32: should I install a command line system then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[02:28] <somerville32> Just use the alternative install disk
[02:28] <someonww> hi
[02:28] <somerville32> Eroick: And install the desktop
[02:28] <somerville32> someonww, hi
[02:28] <someonww> how do I mount a FAT partition?
[02:28] <Eroick> somerville32: but it asks" Install in text mode" or :Install a command-line system" which one?
[02:28] <someonww> is there a buttong to do that?
[02:28] <somerville32> Eroick: Install in text mode
[02:28] <somerville32> someonww: There is an applet
[02:28] <Eroick> ok, thanks!
[02:29] <somerville32> np :)
[02:29] <somerville32> And good luck
[02:29] <someonww> how do i mount a FAT partitoin?
[02:30] <somerville32> someonww, After adding the applet, just select the partition and it'll mount it
[02:30] <somerville32> someonww, It might be mounted already
[02:30] <somerville32> If so, it would be in /media/
[02:30] <someonww> mm... didn't see it
[02:32] <somerville32> Use the "Mount Devices" applet
[02:32] <somerville32> It is super easy
[02:36] <someonww> ohh
[02:36] <someonww> kewl
[02:36] <someonww> thanks
[02:36] <somerville32> np
[02:36] <somerville32> :)
[02:36] <someonww> well I just installed Xubuntu on a crappy 400Mhz VAIO lapdance
[02:36] <someonww> *laptop
[02:37] <someonww> actually I have no idea what "lapdance" stands for
[02:37] <somerville32> *256mb
[02:37] <someonww> this guy has 64M runs slow as hell, he will upgrade to 256RAM though
[02:37] <someonww> ram for that crapp is mad cheap
[02:38] <somerville32> :]
[02:40] <someonww> somerville32, we have too similar nick... do you mind changing yours? ;-)
[02:40] <somerville32> Yes, I would
[02:40] <somerville32> lol
[02:40] <somerville32> I've used this nick for 9 years
[02:41] <MagicFab> i want a VAIO lapdance too
[02:42] <MagicFab> 192MB here
[02:42] <somerville32> :D
[03:26] <j1mc> hi all
[03:27] <somerville32> Hello! :)
[03:27] <j1mc> hi somerville32 :)
[03:28] <j1mc> just kinda came on here to give mad props to the new xubuntu-user mailing list.  kinda get the word out or something.
[03:29] <j1mc> hopefully get some regular users to use it.
[03:29] <somerville32> :)
[03:29] <somerville32> Indeed
[03:29] <j1mc> thanks for your response to my post there, by the way.
[03:29] <j1mc> i'm downloading the alternate install cd now.
[03:30] <j1mc> i didn't know that there were nightlies available for test, and had only tested herd 1, and it did nothing.
[03:30] <j1mc> i mean, it wouldn't even install.
[03:31] <somerville32> lol
[03:41] <j1mc> somerville32, if i do a test like the one in the link you provided in your message to the xubuntu-users mailing list, where can i post/share the test results?
[03:41] <somerville32> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/testing/Xubuntu
[03:42] <somerville32> !testing
[03:42] <ubotu> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/testing/Xubuntu
[03:42] <somerville32> :)
[03:43] <j1mc> so, basically, the checkbox things are just to help you record your own progress, and then if something doesn't work . . .
[03:44] <j1mc> then you check and see if there's a bug report on it already . . .
[03:44] <j1mc> and go from there.
[03:44] <j1mc> got it.  :)
[03:44] <somerville32> Well, make sure to mark if it is successful too
[03:44] <j1mc> do you actually submit the successful / unsuccessful report somewhere, though?  i don't see where you'd do that.
[03:45] <j1mc> ah, it's a wiki . . . so i can edit it??
[03:45] <j1mc> edit that page you put up?
[03:46] <j1mc> (sorry, i'm being a little slow)
[03:50] <jack_> hi... is there a way to easily change from xubuntu to ubuntu.. or just run the ubuntu install disk and have it format the drive?
[03:53] <j1mc> i think that you can just run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but others on here can confirm.
[03:54] <jack_> well
[03:55] <jack_> if i d/l just normal ubuntu and install it normally having it format the drive.. there won't be problems right?
[03:55] <somerville32> IT'll remove Xubuntu and all your data on the disk
[03:56] <somerville32> j1mc: You would file a bug report and then add it to the reported bugs at the end
[03:56] <jack_> ok
[03:56] <jack_> thats fine.
[03:56] <jack_> thanks
[03:57] <jack_> by the way
[03:57] <jack_> will it run ok? laptop running p3 256 ram
[03:57] <somerville32> <-- P2 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram
[03:58] <jack_> hehe
[03:58] <jack_> yeah
[03:58] <jack_> that sucks bro
[03:59] <jack_> my windows box is amazing
[03:59] <jack_> but i use this at work
[03:59] <jack_> my windows box lol
[03:59] <somerville32> :]
[03:59] <jack_> core 2 extreme quad core dual 8800;s sli 4 gigs ram
[03:59] <jack_> O
[03:59] <jack_> im not kidding
[03:59] <jack_> <3
[04:00] <j1mc> jack_, i have a p3 800 w/ 256.  you'll find that xubuntu will run faster on something like yours than ubuntu, but ubuntu iwll work.
[04:00] <somerville32> Xubuntu works too :P
[04:00] <jack_> ok.
[04:01] <jack_> i want something that looks ourty
[04:01] <jack_> purty*
[04:01] <somerville32> I think Xubuntu looks purty
[04:01] <somerville32> :]
[04:01] <jack_> lol
[04:02] <jack_> my roomate is a perl dev on unix for sun
[04:02] <jack_> oheh
[04:02] <jack_> ok well
[04:02] <jack_> gotta go
[04:02] <jack_> see u guys later.
[04:02] <somerville32> lol
[04:08] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> helo
[04:08] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> anyone alive?
[04:09] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> anyoneee??
[04:10] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> hi
[04:10] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> hi jester
[04:10] <Jester45> hi
[04:10] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> can i ask u some questions regarding xubuntu?
[04:10] <Jester45> anyone hear about the 11 month baby behind put in an oven?
[04:10] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> how do i draw out the devicfe manager for linux systems?
[04:10] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> device*
[04:10] <Jester45> sure
[04:11] <Jester45> like to look at network cards video cards ? or disc drives
[04:11] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> yes.
[04:12] <Jester45> try lspci
[04:12] <Jester45> or lspci -v for more details and -vv for even more
[04:13] <cellofellow> hi
[04:13] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> yes it works. thank you jester! and yes i have heard abt the baby int the oven thing lol. what about it?
[04:13] <Jester45> depending on what you have installed you can go to the fce menu then to system then disc and that shows hardrives and cd drives
[04:14] <Jester45> its so sad what people do
[04:14] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> yeap indeed.
[04:14] <Jester45> should of fought the dad or somthing not the baby
[04:15] <somerville32> jester45: -offtopic :)
[04:15] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> lol. just a different approach for revenging.
[04:15] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> oops :S
[04:15] <somerville32> :)
[04:15] <Jester45> o come on somerville32 i helped him
[04:16] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> yeah he did somerville32. :P
[04:16] <somerville32> and now you can help him find #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[04:16] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> oh if u dont mind, i have another question
[04:16] <somerville32> Sure
[04:16] <somerville32> Ask away :)
[04:16] <Jester45> ok
[04:16] <Jester45> :)]
[04:17] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> what sort of programs for security like firewall etc is good for linux? are there any products specially made for linux?
[04:17] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> norton? etc..?
[04:17] <Jester45> linux has builtin firewall
[04:17] <Jester45> !firewall
[04:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:18] <cellofellow> ClamAV if you insist on antivirus.
[04:18] <Jester45> most antivirus for linux scans for windows virus so you dont spread them
[04:19] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> i see. is this clamAV for retail or open source?
[04:19] <cellofellow> OSS.
[04:19] <cellofellow> I use Gmail so email scanners don't work.
[04:19] <cellofellow> Above you mentioned norton. I think it
[04:20] <cellofellow> 's so funny when people expect that big-time software vendors care about little Linux.(desktops anyway.)
[04:20] <cellofellow> (I've seen Grisoft AVG for RedHat.)
[04:21] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> ha ha yeah i suppose.
[04:21] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> anyway guys thanks a lot for your help.
[04:21] <aslkmsadlkmdsa> gotta run now... till then. take care and god bl;ess
[04:21] <cellofellow> you're more likely to be hacked or rooted Jester.
[04:22] <cellofellow> I still keep a NAT between me and the internet.
[04:22] <cellofellow> if I had a mobile laptop, I'd enable a firewall, at least when I'm in a public hotspot.
[04:23] <Jester45> yes i by-passed the NAT
[04:23] <cellofellow> you're crazy. I'm gonna brute-force your box and show you.
[04:23] <somerville32> tsk tsk
[04:23] <somerville32> :P
[04:24] <somerville32> I just rewrote the help page on the Xubuntu website
[04:24] <somerville32> Go check it out: http://xubuntu.org/help
[04:24] <cellofellow> I see the website still has little margins and Dapper-style colors and logos.
[04:25] <cellofellow> Didn't we decide on something fresher in the last real meeting?
[04:25] <Jester45> silly cellofellow i will just reinstall
[04:25] <Jester45> when the next version coming out
[04:25] <cellofellow> better encrypt your most important stuff.
[04:26] <somerville32> Stop guys
[04:26] <cellofellow> 7.04 == April 07
[04:26] <cellofellow> ok cody
[04:26] <Jester45> its somerville32 not cody
[04:27] <somerville32> cellofellow: That stuff won't happen until I get shell access (which has been approved by Canonical, just waiting for the details)
[04:27] <cellofellow> password huh?
[04:27] <Jester45> with shell access can you run anything from terminal
[04:28] <cellofellow> well, I see canonical eats there own dog food. The website is running on Ubuntu Server.
[04:28] <Jester45> why not
[04:28] <cellofellow> Oh, I thought maybe it was hosted somewhere.
[04:28] <cellofellow> I guess I was wrong.
[04:28] <cellofellow> somerville32: nice IRC section
[04:29] <somerville32> Thanks :]
[04:29] <subzero800> anyone: Im using an old thinkpad, and when i try to boot, after a while it just goes blank with blinking cursor\
[04:29] <Jester45> whats it say; Dont under any reason listen to Jester45 and/or do offtopic chat in ontopic channel
[04:30] <Jester45> subzero800: can you type stuff?
[04:30] <cellofellow> subzero800: booting from a CD?
[04:30] <subzero800> anyone:no, actually now its giving me device errors on device hdc
[04:30] <subzero800> Buffer I/O errors
[04:30] <cellofellow> sounds like trouble with hdc, your cd drive.
[04:31] <somerville32> hdc isn't always your cd drive
[04:31] <somerville32> hdc is my /
[04:31] <Jester45> ok my usb drives arent showing ondesktop and not on the Thunar list
[04:31] <cellofellow> hda1 is my /, hdd1 is my /home
[04:31] <Jester45> any reason why?
[04:31] <cellofellow> hdc is DVD
[04:31] <subzero800> hdc on a pentium 2 :-) lol
[04:32] <subzero800> I dont think its going to boot
[04:32] <cellofellow> Jester45: I figured out if I had a /dev file usually associated with USB drives in fstab, they won't show in the desktop.
[04:32] <somerville32> subzero800, Check the cd-rom's integrity
[04:32] <somerville32> !integrity | subzero800
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about integrity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <somerville32> Hmm
[04:32] <cellofellow> !anything
[04:32] <somerville32> !search iso
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <ubotu> Found: torrents,mini.iso,dvdiso,.iso,loopback,burners,midi,miniiso,iso,burniso
[04:32] <somerville32> !iso
[04:32] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:33] <subzero800> I think the disk is fine, i think its this computer
[04:33] <somerville32> subzero800, Best to check the disk
[04:33] <subzero800> k
[04:33] <somerville32> There is a "check disk" option at boot
[04:33] <cellofellow> subzero800: have another CD drive hanging around?
[04:33] <cellofellow> if it's not the disk
[04:33] <subzero800> nope
[04:34] <cellofellow> oh, darnit. I do and I'd send it to you if I could.
[04:34] <subzero800> its a laptop anyways
[04:34] <Jester45> cellofellow: i dont undersand you
[04:34] <cellofellow> oh,yeah.
[04:34] <cellofellow> who does, jester?
[04:34] <somerville32> Jester45, Are you on Feisty, Edgy, or Dapper?
[04:35] <Jester45> edgy
[04:38] <cellofellow> anybody know of a tax-form program for linux similar to TurboTax?
[04:39] <Jester45> wine = turbotax
[04:39] <Jester45> +
[04:39] <cellofellow> that doesn't cost $40.
[04:39] <cellofellow> 'sides, I hate wine
[04:40] <cellofellow> so, there aren't ANY tax programs?
[04:42] <Jester45> none that i know
[04:42] <cellofellow> well, that doesn't meen there aren't any. I'll try seaching.
[04:49] <jack_> hi do you guys know  how to install ubuntu from xubuntu isnt there a command??? or do you acually have to d/l ubuntu.
[04:49] <cellofellow> install ubuntu-desktop will give you gnombe
[04:49] <cellofellow> gnome*
[04:49] <cellofellow> kubuntu-desktop for kde
[04:50] <jack_> so how do i do that?
[04:50] <quad3d> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <cellofellow> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <jack_> ok
[04:50] <jack_> thanks
[04:52] <Jester45> and if you dont want xubuntu you can use "sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove"
[04:52] <somerville32> !software | jack_
[04:52] <ubotu> jack_: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[04:52] <Jester45> shoulw remove most
[04:54] <jack_> thanks for the help i was d/l ubuntu from the site was just gonna format the disk but the d/l froze at 96%.. lol
[04:56] <Jester45> np
[04:56] <Jester45> cellofellow: so what where you talking about /dev anbd usb drives
[04:58] <cellofellow> if you put, say, something to do with /dev/sda1 which is for USB drives on my system in fstab, it'll break the little udev/hald thing that makes those icons appear. From experience. :)
[04:59] <Jester45> so how do i fix this
[05:00] <cellofellow> no idea.
[05:01] <cellofellow> are they creating /dev files when you plug in?
[05:01] <Jester45> not sure
[05:01] <Jester45> how do i know
[05:02] <cellofellow> ls -l /dev/sd*
[05:02] <cellofellow> if you don't have sata/scsi drives, should only return something if the usb drives are being detected.
[05:02] <Jester45> ok but how do i know what one
[05:02] <Jester45> ok
[05:02] <cellofellow> lsusb
[05:02] <cellofellow> I dunno
[05:03] <Jester45> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 062a:0102 Creative Labs
[05:03] <Jester45> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[05:03] <Jester45> for lsusb
[05:03] <cellofellow> any files in /dev ?
[05:03] <Jester45> im using a usb hub one one
[05:04] <Jester45> nothing with /dev/sd
[05:04] <cellofellow> maybe that's the problem, though I don't think it should be.
[05:04] <Jester45> it worked b4
[05:04] <cellofellow> * included?
[05:05] <Jester45> the only things with s is
[05:05] <cellofellow> is udev even running?
[05:06] <Jester45> shm snapshot snd sndstat stderr stdin stdout
[05:06] <Jester45> yes it is
[05:07] <cellofellow> what about hald?
[05:07] <Jester45> a few of them
[05:07] <cellofellow> :/
[05:07] <cellofellow> I have no idea what to do.
[05:08] <cellofellow> Do CD's show on the desktop?
[05:08] <cellofellow> BRB
[05:08] <Jester45> yes they do
[05:09] <Jester45> my ipod works on the same port
[05:11] <cellofellow> well, you got me.
[05:11] <Jester45> is there a way to get to the drives without the icons?
[05:12] <cellofellow> if there's a /dev file, then you just mount it.
[05:12] <Jester45> what one
[05:12] <Jester45> i dont know these things
[05:12] <cellofellow> sd**
[05:12] <cellofellow> like my USB Zip drive is sda for the drive, and sda4 for the disk.
[05:14] <Jester45> ok
[05:20] <Jester45> well
[05:21] <Jester45> thats stupid i guess i will wait from someone else
[05:21] <Jester45> thanks for help
[05:23] <MagicFab> what is the difference between ubuntu 6.06 and 6.06.1 ?
[05:24] <somerville32> MagicFab: 6.06 is the original release while 6.06.1 has updated packages
[05:24] <MagicFab> I know, but which ones :)
[05:24] <cellofellow> seeing as Dapper will stick with us for a while yet, we may see a 6.06.2 and onward.
[05:24] <somerville32> We will see 6.06.2
[05:25] <somerville32> And relatively soon
[05:25] <somerville32> MagicFab: all kinds of stuff really
[05:28] <MagicFab> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606 doesn't mention it
[05:33] <spierepf> Greetings.
[05:33] <cellofellow> :)
[05:34] <spierepf> I'm looking for some help with gdm on xubuntu.
[05:34] <cellofellow> well, what is it?
[05:35] <spierepf> I'm trying to run vnc so that it presents a gdmgreeter.
[05:35] <cellofellow> oh. I've heard VNC can do that, but I use XDMCP instead.
[05:35] <spierepf> The problem is that the greeter closes itself before getting presented. I'm not sure why.
[05:38] <spierepf> I've only used XDMCP on local networks.
[05:38] <cellofellow> oh, if you want Internet, then yeah, VNC or X over SSH
[05:39] <cellofellow> dunno about getting a GDM Greeter when connecting with VNC though. Never tried that.
[05:39] <grumpymole> spierepf: are you on the latest fiesty?
[05:40] <spierepf> no, I'm on edgy.
[05:41] <grumpymole> ok, there is a bug on fiesty (not sure if it affects others) where xvnc4server shuts down immediately on connecting
[05:42] <grumpymole> bug #78282
[05:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78282 in vnc4 "vnc4server does not start Desktop environment after security update" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78282
[05:42] <MagicFab> ok found the announce. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-August/000088.html
[05:44] <grumpymole> spierepf: not sure if the security update also went to edgy
[05:45] <grumpymole> spierepf: just checked the bug - it also affects edgy.
[05:45] <grumpymole> if you are up-to-date on edgy then you would have also received the vnc4server update a few days ago
[05:46] <spierepf> Hmmm. That could be it.
[05:47] <grumpymole> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/01/vnc4server-on-feisty-breakage.html
[05:48] <somerville32> :D
[05:48] <somerville32> grumpymole: Are you a Ubuntu member yet?
[05:48] <grumpymole> no
[05:49] <somerville32> You should become one just so that you can add your blog to Ubuntu Planet
[05:49] <somerville32> lol
[05:54] <cellofellow> no cody got netsplit'ed
[05:55] <somerville32> !netsplit
[05:55] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[05:55] <somerville32> :)
[05:55] <cellofellow> oh, I didn't notice it only lasted a second.
[06:04] <spierepf> vnc and gdm, like sweet sweet candy!
[06:06] <cellofellow> oooh. My State offers a free Java course online. Should I take it? (I have 0 highschool credit, period. May as well get something.)
[06:16] <somerville32> As in -offtopic
[06:16] <cellofellow> oh, whatever. No one cares and hasn't answered.
[06:16] <somerville32> I wanna answer ;]
[06:16] <cellofellow> oh
[06:35] <Ro_Vai> whats the command to launch the home folder from a terminal/
[06:35] <Ro_Vai> ?
[06:44] <cellofellow> thunar /home/yourname
[06:45] <Ro_Vai> thanks
[07:08] <somerville32> Ro_Vai: If you play to use it in a script, you can use the HOME variable
[07:08] <somerville32> ie. Thunar $HOME
[07:09] <Ro_Vai> i was just making an icon for my bottom panel witch i turned into a mac esk dock
[07:09] <somerville32> :]
[07:09] <Ro_Vai> ^.^
[07:10] <Ro_Vai> i switched over to xubuntu from gnome about 3 days ago and i'm very very happy with xubuntu
[07:10] <somerville32> :)
[07:10] <somerville32> I'm very happy to hear that :)
[07:10] <somerville32> I like Xubuntu too
[07:11] <Ro_Vai>  yep i have xubuntu 7.04 with beryl running and i've just finished putting the final touches on my desktop
[07:12] <somerville32> OooOoo :)
[07:12] <somerville32> I'm running 7.04 too
[07:13] <Ro_Vai> yep 7.04 i find to have its quirks but it's still surprisingly stable
[07:15] <somerville32> Make sure to file bugs :)
[07:16] <Ro_Vai> oh of course
[07:16] <Ro_Vai> i havent run into any yet though
[07:16] <somerville32> Ro_Vai: Have you subscribed to the new mailing list?
[07:17] <Ro_Vai> not yeat
[07:17] <Ro_Vai> yet*
[07:17] <somerville32> :)
[07:17] <somerville32> Nows a great time <g>
[07:17] <somerville32> http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users
[07:17] <Ro_Vai> i will just as soon as i find a winamp skin for my xmms
[07:24] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:24] <hyper_ch> what do I have to (restart) if the xfce menu bar is gone?
[07:25] <somerville32> Press alt + f2
[07:25] <somerville32> and then enter: xfce4-panel
[07:25] <somerville32> and hit enter
[07:25] <Ro_Vai> I just signed up for the mailing list
[07:26] <hyper_ch> no neet for alt-f2
[07:26] <hyper_ch> always have a termianl open :)
[07:26] <hyper_ch> somerville32: but thx :)
[07:27] <somerville32> :)
[07:27] <somerville32> np
[07:29] <hyper_ch> btw: good morning everyone :)
[07:30] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[07:30] <somerville32> :)
[07:30] <Ubugtu> Current time in Canada/Atlantic: January 11 2007, 02:30:17
[07:30] <somerville32> Morning
[07:31] <Ro_Vai> I love this time of the morning
[08:33] <maxamillion> !wifi
[08:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:48] <Ro_Vai> how do i view other computers on my network while in xubuntu/
[08:48] <Ro_Vai> ?
[08:49] <somerville32> !samba | Ro_Vai
[08:49] <ubotu> Ro_Vai: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:49] <maxamillion> Ro_Vai: define "other computers" .. how would you like to view them? files, printers, devices, etc. and what protocol are you using to do so? samba, nfs, ftp, etc?
[08:49] <maxamillion> ... well that works too
[08:50] <somerville32> :)
[08:53] <somerville32> !alternative-support-#xubuntu is <reply> For alternative Xubuntu support options, please see http://xubuntu.org/help
[08:53] <somerville32> hmmm
[08:53] <somerville32> ubotu is broken
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <Ro_Vai> meh i just had to reconfigure it in nautilus
[08:54] <maxamillion> Ro_Vai: you run gnome?
[08:54] <somerville32> !support
[08:54] <ubotu> For alternative Xubuntu support options, please see http://xubuntu.org/help
[08:54] <somerville32> woot
[08:54] <maxamillion> works for me ... less to type also ;)
[08:54] <Ro_Vai> used too
[08:55] <Ro_Vai> made the switch over to xfce about 3 days ago
[08:55] <maxamillion> awesome
[08:55] <maxamillion> it'll probably be atleast a year though
[08:56] <Ro_Vai> yep i'm loving xfce and beryl
[08:58] <somerville32> :)
[08:58] <somerville32> Ro_Vai, send us a screenie
[08:59] <Ro_Vai> any effect inparticular/
[08:59] <Ro_Vai> ?
[08:59] <somerville32> I dunno
[08:59] <somerville32> I can't run beryl
[08:59] <Ro_Vai> how about the rotating cube with a transparent movie with the rain going?
[09:01] <maxamillion> Ro_Vai: i run beryl at work because i am the only linux user in the office and its fun to be like "look what else windows can't do" .... also did that with project looking glass the day after it went stable
[09:01] <Ro_Vai> lol
[09:02] <maxamillion> looking glass is cool, but if i didn't have the beast workstation i have at the office i would never be able to run it ...
[09:02] <Ro_Vai> I run it to oppose my mac user god complex friends
[09:02] <somerville32> ro_vai: I don't think it is working
[10:14] <somerville32> Ro_Vai, got it
[10:17] <Ro_Vai> cool
[10:17] <Ro_Vai> so what do you think?
[10:18] <somerville32> Pretty crazy stuff, lol
[10:19] <Ro_Vai> yep yep
[11:09] <somerville32> !testing
[11:09] <ubotu> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/testing/Xubuntu
[11:11] <somerville32> !no, testing-#xubuntu is <reply> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[11:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that, somerville32
[11:13] <somerville32> Hi :)
[11:13] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Ready to test out Herd 2? :)
[11:17] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, Hi, you are confusing me with maxamillion
[11:17] <somerville32> No. maxamillion just went to bed.
[11:17] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Are you interested in helping test Herd 2?
[11:17] <Maximilian1st> What is herd2???
[11:17] <somerville32> It is an alpha release of Feisty Fawn, Xubuntu 7.04
[11:17] <gnomefreak> Maximilian1st: alpha 2 feisty
[11:17] <somerville32> !testing | Maximilian1st
[11:17] <ubotu> Maximilian1st: For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[11:18] <Maximilian1st> I tried updating the kernel to feisty but it hanged and I had to re-install. I use a laptop.
[11:20] <Maximilian1st> Maybe I did not go the official way of upgrading my system. I changed the sources file and it updated plenty of files...
[11:20] <somerville32> There is an ISO you can burn and test
[11:20] <somerville32> See that link for more info on the different tests you can do
[11:21] <Maximilian1st> I am just looking at it...
[11:23] <Maximilian1st> there is a typo after "Getting the test CD
[11:23] <Maximilian1st> If the task you have select involves"
[11:23] <Maximilian1st> should be selected.
[11:24] <somerville32> Feel free to fix it :)
[11:26] <Maximilian1st> But I have no login. You are Codysomerville?
[11:28] <somerville32> Yup
[11:28] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, You can get a login by registering a launchpad account.
[11:30] <somerville32> typo fixed
[11:31] <Maximilian1st> This is no live CD.
[11:31] <Maximilian1st> It involves installing a brand new system
[11:31] <somerville32> You don't need to do all the steps if you don't want to
[11:32] <somerville32> You can just test to see if the live cd boots and goes to a desktop
[11:46] <Maximilian1st> OK, I start the downloading and go for a walk.
[11:47] <somerville32> :)
[12:37] <toxik`> Can I remove the silly right click on the desktop? I want the XFCE menu to pop up
[12:37] <somerville32> Yes
[12:37] <toxik`> How?
[12:38] <somerville32> Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings
[12:38] <somerville32> or right click the desktop and click desktop settings
[12:38] <somerville32> lol
[12:38] <toxik`> Yeah I looked there, couldn't find it
[12:38] <toxik`> Oh nevermind
[12:38] <toxik`> Silly me
[12:38] <toxik`> Thank you
[12:39] <somerville32> np
[12:39] <somerville32> :)
[12:43] <toxik`> :)
[12:43] <toxik`> Is Quake3 in apt?
[12:43] <somerville32> The engine might be
[12:44] <toxik`> Oh :-/
[12:44] <toxik`> Portage has ioQuake3
[12:44] <somerville32> Not the entire thing
[12:44] <somerville32> It would be illegal
[12:45] <toxik`> No, it misses pak0
[12:45] <toxik`> Of course
[12:45] <toxik`> ioQuake3 doesn't come with pak0 so :-)
[12:46] <somerville32> I know there is a how-to on the wiki
[12:46] <toxik`> I see, I was just pondering if it was as easy as with portage, but I'll go for a manual install for now, thanks again!
[12:47] <somerville32> !quake
[12:47] <ubotu> Quake runs natively under linux see http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details
[12:47] <somerville32> !quake3
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quake3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <somerville32> hmm
[12:47] <MagicFab> hey
[12:57] <toxik`> Hm, I think I screwed my user's .bashrc up, where is the default one?
[12:58] <somerville32> /etc/skel
[12:58] <toxik`> Nevermind,
[12:58] <toxik`> Heh, just found it :P
[02:22] <Maximilian1st> !session manager
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about session manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:27] <somerville32> :)
[03:19] <Ro_Vai> hey this is going to sound really stupid but to get to your cd rom drive from a terminal its cd /media/cdrom right?
[03:20] <gabkdll1> Ro_Vai: that is correct
[03:21] <Ro_Vai> ok then i'm having problems accessing my drive
[03:21] <Ro_Vai> ls just kicks me back to the command line
[03:23] <gabkdll1> I don't really follow you. When you are working with the program "Terminal", everything you do is on the command line. What do you mean?
[03:24] <gabkdll1> When you do: "cd /media/cdrom" , does the prompt tell you that you have in fact moved to the directory /media/cdrom/ ?
[03:24] <Ro_Vai> ls is sopposed to list whats inside of your current directory but mine returns nothing
[03:24] <Ro_Vai> and yes
[03:24] <gabkdll1> Ah, you are trying to do "ls /media/cdrom" ?
[03:25] <Ro_Vai> no
[03:25] <Ro_Vai> cd /media/cdrom
[03:25] <Ro_Vai> then ls
[03:25] <gabkdll1> Is there something in the drive ? :)
[03:25] <Ro_Vai> yes
[03:25] <somerville32> Is the cd-rom mounted?
[03:25] <Ro_Vai> i can access it and view the files from the pretty little icon thats on my desktop
[03:26] <Ro_Vai> so i'm guessing yes
[03:26] <somerville32> type: sudo mount /media/cdrom0
[03:26] <Ro_Vai> mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist
[03:26] <Ro_Vai> is what i got
[03:30] <gabkdll1> Ro_Vai: do you have more than one optical drive?
[03:32] <gabkdll1> you can do "df" to see what is mounted where
[03:33] <Ro_Vai> no i do not
[03:33] <Ro_Vai> and thanks for the df command
[05:55] <jonty_rocks3> help
[05:56] <jonty_rocks3> is there an xubuntu driver for Speedtouch 330 USB?
[06:01] <jonty_rocks3> anyone?
[06:03] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: hi
[06:04] <jonty_rocks3> hello!
[06:04] <jonty_rocks3> is there an xubuntu driver for Speedtouch 330?
[06:04] <gabkdll1> the manufacturer says that there is linux support through an open source driver
[06:04] <gabkdll1> http://www.speedtouchdsl.com/supuser.htm
[06:05] <jonty_rocks3> i downloaded one but when it extracted it just said extracting for 4 hours =S
[06:06] <jonty_rocks3> is it thhe firmware?
[06:06] <gabkdll1> are you running xubuntu now, or just thinking about it
[06:06] <gabkdll1> ?
[06:07] <jonty_rocks3> am running on my laptop
[06:08] <jonty_rocks3> this my pc
[06:09] <gabkdll1> I suspect that if the open source driver is at all stable, it probably was included with the default *ubuntu kernel
[06:09] <jonty_rocks3> well i plugged it in and nothing happened
[06:10] <gabkdll1> did you check dmesg ?
[06:10] <jonty_rocks3> what>
[06:10] <jonty_rocks3> ?
[06:10] <jonty_rocks3> i'm a noob =(
[06:10] <gabkdll1> run "dmesg" in a Terminal
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[06:11] <gabkdll1> it will generate a lot of output
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> i cant cause i only got 1 modem
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> which i am using
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> will try later thnx
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> btw which is better? Debian or Slackware?
[06:11] <gabkdll1> also, maybe you need to reboot
[06:12] <jonty_rocks3> also i get a load of lines at the bottom of thhe screen
[06:12] <gabkdll1> from what I hear, Slackware is more involved, but you learn a lot along the way
[06:13] <gabkdll1> "dmesg | tail" would probably have sufficed
[06:13] <gabkdll1> dmesg is for viewing kernel messages
[06:13] <jonty_rocks3> what about the lines on the screen it is so annoying
[06:15] <gabkdll1> you get those lines all the time ?
[06:15] <jonty_rocks3> yup
[06:15] <jonty_rocks3> when on external display it is fine
[06:15] <jonty_rocks3> just on laptop
[06:15] <gabkdll1> and just since you installed linux?
[06:15] <MDCore> hey all; I'm trying out xubuntu on parallel with kubuntu. it doesn't do this in kde but in xfce it seems to be messing with shift-punctuation e.g. shift-' and shift-"
[06:15] <jonty_rocks3> yep
[06:15] <MDCore> how do I turn it off ?
[06:15] <jonty_rocks3> windows was fine
[06:16] <jonty_rocks3> gabkdll1 shall i take a photo and send u it?
[06:16] <jonty_rocks3> screen*
[06:16] <gabkdll1> sure
[06:16] <jonty_rocks3> how i do that?
[06:16] <jonty_rocks3> lol i'm nooooob
[06:18] <jonty_rocks3> found it
[06:18] <MDCore> any ideas ?
[06:19] <jonty_rocks3> MDCore i'm a noob soz
[06:19] <MDCore> np
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> gabkdll1 just copying to pc now
[06:25] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: I am anxious to see if those lines even show up in the screenshot
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> they do
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> i checked
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> grrr
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> will have to send via email
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> my dcc crap
[06:25] <gabkdll1> you can't post it publically? I am actually not a xubuntu developer or anything like that
[06:25] <jonty_rocks3> yes one sec
[06:26] <gabkdll1> MDCore: you mean, when you press Shift-' or Shift-" , nothing happens?
[06:27] <MDCore> gabkdll1: Yes.. until I press another key. If I press ' then ' again I get
[06:27] <jonty_rocks3> ok here is the screenshot: http://freespace.virgin.net/jonty.oglesby/Screenshot.png
[06:27] <MDCore> but if I get press ' then <space> I get the correct character.
[06:27] <MDCore> It as if my keyboard has decided to become international all of a sudden.
[06:28] <jonty_rocks3> gabkdll1 u see the lines on screen?
[06:28] <gabkdll1> MDCore: sounds like deadkeys behavior.
[06:28] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: yes, those lines are scary
[06:28] <jonty_rocks3> yup its anooying
[06:28] <jonty_rocks3> can i get rid of em?
[06:28] <MDCore> gabkdll1: ok ?? how do I turn it off?
[06:29] <jonty_rocks3> go into keyboard settings and change key mapping?
[06:29] <jonty_rocks3> key map code thing
[06:29] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: I am not an expert, but my guess would be that the X11 device driver is not playing nice with your hardware
[06:29] <jonty_rocks3> can i get round that?
[06:30] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: can you check which driver you are using in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:31] <jonty_rocks3> one sec plz
[06:31] <gabkdll1> !xconfig | MDCore
[06:31] <ubotu> MDCore: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:32] <jonty_rocks3> erf when i scroll down the lines scroll up page too =(
[06:32] <MDCore> I dunno if it is an X thing. When I in KDE I don have this problem...
[06:32] <MDCore> don't
[06:32] <gabkdll1> that might be useful to you too, jonty_rocks3
[06:32] <jonty_rocks3> going to second output brb
[06:32] <jonty_rocks3> cant see what u say for 2 mins
[06:32] <gabkdll1> MDCore: that is a good point
[06:34] <TheSheep> looks like a problem with the graphics driver :/
[06:35] <jonty_rocks3> back
[06:35] <jonty_rocks3> right let me type what it says:
[06:35] <jonty_rocks3> Section "Screen"
[06:35] <jonty_rocks3> Identifier "Defualt Screen"
[06:36] <jonty_rocks3> Device "Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525"
[06:36] <jonty_rocks3> Monitor "Generic Monitor"
[06:36] <jonty_rocks3> etc etc
[06:36] <jonty_rocks3> now if i got in a low res (displays in middle of screen) lines disappear
[06:36] <jonty_rocks3> "800x600" is high res wit lines
[06:37] <gabkdll1> jonty_rocks3: which driver is listed under Section "Device" ?
[06:38] <jonty_rocks3> Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525
[06:38] <jonty_rocks3> Driver "trident"
[06:39] <jonty_rocks3> BusID "PCI:0:4:0"
[06:39] <jonty_rocks3> its got 2.5mb graphics mem too
[06:39] <jonty_rocks3> is it somet to do with refresh?
[06:40] <jonty_rocks3> any ideas?
[06:40] <jonty_rocks3> is there a new driver?
[06:40] <jonty_rocks3> this is same prob as mine: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332425&highlight=lines+high+resolution
[06:41] <gabkdll1> the Xorg team might be thankful for a bug report
[06:41] <jonty_rocks3> no fixy? =(
[06:42] <jonty_rocks3> me wants a fixy =(
[06:42] <jonty_rocks3> me hates lines
[06:42] <jonty_rocks3> gab?
[06:42] <jonty_rocks3> gabkdll1?
[06:42] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: is the Trident Microsystems card listed using lspci?
[06:43] <jonty_rocks3> erm how i tell?
[06:43] <jonty_rocks3> i am a nooby
[06:43] <jonty_rocks3> noob
[06:43] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: in a terminal use the command  'sudo lspci'
[06:44] <jonty_rocks3> one sec plz
[06:44] <jonty_rocks3> it is in the list of output
[06:45] <jonty_rocks3> 00:04:0 VGA Compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49)
[06:46] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: that's good. do you multi boot the machine?
[06:46] <jonty_rocks3> nope
[06:46] <jonty_rocks3> its formatted
[06:46] <grazie> how was it used before?
[06:46] <jonty_rocks3> Windows 98 and Windows ME
[06:46] <jonty_rocks3> not multi-boot
[06:46] <grazie> no problems?
[06:47] <jonty_rocks3> ME has problems but not graphics
[06:47] <jonty_rocks3> Win ME
[06:47] <jonty_rocks3> it was explorer.exe
[06:47] <jonty_rocks3> was corrupting things.. =S
[06:48] <jonty_rocks3> grazie what should i do?
[06:48] <grazie> not seen you problem before, so don't know
[06:48] <grazie> what resolutions work?
[06:49] <grazie> 800x600?
[06:49] <jonty_rocks3> 800x600 has lines
[06:50] <grazie> tried 1024x768?
[06:50] <jonty_rocks3> the smaller one (is in center of screen) doesnt have lines but i cant work that small
[06:50] <jonty_rocks3> wont let me
[06:50] <jonty_rocks3> 800x600@56 and 640x480@60
[06:50] <jonty_rocks3> thats it
[06:51] <grazie> do have any other liver CDs? knoppix is good
[06:51] <jonty_rocks3> its an old laptop
[06:51] <jonty_rocks3> and xubuntu is fine just the display problem
[06:51] <grazie> can't boot from CD?
[06:51] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[06:51] <jonty_rocks3> i can boot from cd
[06:51] <jonty_rocks3> why?
[06:52] <jonty_rocks3> its alternate install
[06:52] <grazie> yes xubuntu is good, but hw detection on knoppix is v.good
[06:56] <jonty_rocks3> i dont wanna change os
[06:56] <jonty_rocks3> can i manually change resolution and refresh? i think its refresh rate
[06:56] <jonty_rocks3> grazie?
[06:56] <grazie> no looks like your having problem configuring the hw correctly.
[06:56] <grazie> if knoppix works use the same hw config
[06:56] <jonty_rocks3> i dont want another os!!!!!!!
[06:56] <jonty_rocks3> oh well, might as well get slackware....
[06:57] <jonty_rocks3> whats knoppix requirements?
[06:57] <grazie> !knoppix
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knoppix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <jonty_rocks3> its not an OS? its a detection thing?
[06:58] <grazie> no it's a live CD (linux OS running on CD)
[06:58] <jonty_rocks3> oooo
[06:58] <gabkdll1> http://www.knoppix.org/
[06:59] <jonty_rocks3> i got 64mb ram is that OK?
[06:59] <grazie> knoppix v.good to have around to fix awkard hw problems
[06:59] <grazie> probably not
[06:59] <jonty_rocks3> dam
[07:00] <jonty_rocks3> oh well i'll put up with it cause i giving it back soon (its my next door neighbors laptop and it is very old 300mhz, 64mb ram 4gb hd 2.5mb graphics etc etc
[07:01] <jonty_rocks3> Toshiba Satellite 4090CDS
[07:01] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're there?
[07:01] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: You did run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"?
[07:02] <jonty_rocks3> erm nooo
[07:02] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: what did you run before?
[07:03] <j0nty> back
[07:03] <j0nty> my internet fouled up
[07:04] <j0nty> i didnt do that config thing
[07:04] <grazie> why?
[07:04] <j0nty> idk
[07:04] <j0nty> i'm a noob =D
[07:05] <hyper_ch> j0nty: aren't we all?
[07:05] <grazie> j0nty: I thought you did. you should
[07:05] <j0nty> loads of warnings...
[07:06] <j0nty> finished?
[07:06] <j0nty> it finished
[07:06] <grazie> you need to restart X
[07:06] <j0nty> how
[07:06] <j0nty> i tell u me linux beginner
[07:07] <grazie> everything important saved?
[07:07] <j0nty> yup
[07:07] <j0nty> i cant really use the computer with those lines its horrible
[07:07] <grazie> ctrl+alt+backspace and login
[07:08] <j0nty> to normal account?
[07:08] <grazie> yes
[07:08] <j0nty> ok
[07:08] <j0nty> XFCE loading.
[07:08] <j0nty> that usually takes a min
[07:09] <j0nty> desktop loaded
[07:09] <j0nty> noting happened
[07:09] <grazie> j0nty: ?
[07:09] <j0nty> yes?
[07:10] <grazie> don't understand 'nothing happended'
[07:10] <grazie> problem gone or still there?
[07:10] <j0nty> the desktop has loaded normally
[07:10] <grazie> the lines?
[07:10] <j0nty> nothing different has happened
[07:10] <j0nty> lines are there
[07:11] <jonty_rocks3> right
[07:11] <jonty_rocks3> here is screenshot: http://freespace.virgin.net/jonty.oglesby/Screenshot.png
[07:12] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: I don't enough about X to fix your problem manually
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> waaah
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> what is this X?
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> i dont think i have it
[07:12] <grazie> s/enough/know enough/
[07:12] <gabkdll1> !x
[07:12] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> can i change refresh rate from 56 to 60?
[07:13] <jonty_rocks3> i think that will solve it
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> can i????
[07:14] <grazie> you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but v.careful
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> hi Maximilian1st
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> grazie wht i change?
[07:15] <grazie> can you paste the file?
[07:15] <jonty_rocks3> of...
[07:15] <jonty_rocks3> omg that would take hours
[07:15] <jonty_rocks3> its on my laptop lol
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> i'll copy it onto memory stick
[07:16] <grazie> /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How big is it?
[07:16] <Maximilian1st> grazie, about xorg, can I output the log on a different screen like F9? Where is the file that initiates the log file for xorg?
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> grazie just chhecking now...
[07:16] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, that file can not be that big...
[07:17] <grazie> Maximilian1st: probably but I don't know how
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> i mean to type out
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> !pastebin
[07:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:18] <jonty_rocks3> gonna do a pastebin
[07:18] <jonty_rocks3> of it
[07:18] <Maximilian1st> I already found out, by googling of course, how to redirect the /var/log/messages to F8, now I would like to do the same for the xorg.log file...
[07:18] <Maximilian1st> No someone here told me where to check...
[07:19] <Maximilian1st> /etc/syslog.conf
[07:19] <grazie> Maximilian1st: good. I thought I remembered a similar discussion
[07:21] <Maximilian1st> This is quite a good option... Having the xorg.log would also be nice...
[07:22] <jonty_rocks3> grrr i cant copy it
[07:22] <jonty_rocks3> it is just blank file!!!
[07:22] <jonty_rocks3> will take hours to type it all out lol
[07:23] <Maximilian1st> this seems quite impossible to me. Sorry I came later in the discussion. Are you trying to copy your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and you mean it is not possible?
[07:23] <jonty_rocks3> yes i trying to copy it to my pc
[07:23] <jonty_rocks3> so i can paste here
[07:23] <jonty_rocks3> my laptop (xubuntu) cannot access internet
[07:23] <jonty_rocks3> but my pc (windows) can
[07:23] <Maximilian1st> Don't you have a usb stick?
[07:23] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[07:24] <Maximilian1st> So?
[07:24] <jonty_rocks3> i just transfered but came out on pc as nothing
[07:24] <jonty_rocks3> and empty file
[07:24] <Maximilian1st> Are you using Xfce?
[07:24] <jonty_rocks3> yeees
[07:24] <Maximilian1st> Obviously.
[07:25] <jonty_rocks3> soooo....
[07:25] <Maximilian1st> plug the stick in and copy to it, when copied, verify the file in thunar. If all is ok, right click on the USB stick icon and choose unmount.
[07:25] <jonty_rocks3> oh
[07:25] <jonty_rocks3> i didnt unmount
[07:25] <jonty_rocks3> i pulled it out
[07:25] <Maximilian1st> It should work, if I'm not mixing svn Xfce...
[07:26] <jonty_rocks3> ah brill
[07:26] <Maximilian1st> Well you should, unmount. Linux is not windows. Linux, sometimes, waits before copying files to a volume, when you issue the unmount command, it suddenly urges the copy action.
[07:27] <somerville32> It occurs in Windows too ;]
[07:27] <jonty_rocks3> !pastebin
[07:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:27] <jonty_rocks3> hehehe
[07:27] <Maximilian1st> Hi somerville32
[07:27] <somerville32> Hi :)
[07:27] <jonty_rocks3> hey somerville32
[07:27] <somerville32> Hiya jonty_rocks3
[07:28] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, Would you happen to know where the nifty, xubuntu modified, shutdown menu resides?
[07:28] <jonty_rocks3> u helped me mounting things =D
[07:28] <somerville32> hehe :D
[07:28] <Maximilian1st> And I helped him unmounting :-p
[07:28] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Are you referring to the Xubuntu shutdown dialogue?
[07:29] <jonty_rocks3> ok here is the xorg.conf in pastebin form: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1193/
[07:29] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, Yep
[07:29] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Are you looking for the source code?
[07:30] <jonty_rocks3> grazie
[07:30] <Maximilian1st> Not really, I installed svn Xfce and it replaced it with the standard Xfce shutdown menu and now I have lost the suspend and standby options
[07:30] <jonty_rocks3> grazie?!?!!
[07:32] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: back
[07:32] <j0nty> grrr
[07:33] <j0nty> stupid internet
[07:33] <j0nty> grazie http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1193/
[07:33] <j0nty> look there
[07:34] <grazie> j0nty: where did you get 56Hz from?
[07:34] <j0nty> idk it was auto set
[07:35] <grazie> config is 43-60
[07:36] <j0nty> can i change it to 60hz?
[07:36] <Maximilian1st> as grazie wrote, 43-60 will do
[07:36] <j0nty> but my refresh it wrong!
[07:36] <j0nty> i'm sure of it...
[07:37] <grazie> why do you think this?
[07:37] <Maximilian1st> Mine has
[07:37] <Maximilian1st> Option		"DPMS"
[07:38] <j0nty> grazie the screen was wierd on 98 and ME
[07:38] <j0nty> i increased refresh and it was fine
[07:38] <Maximilian1st> Is it a CRT monitor?
[07:38] <j0nty> laptop monitor
[07:38] <Maximilian1st> Option		"DPMS"
[07:38] <Maximilian1st> That'll do.
[07:38] <j0nty> where?
[07:39] <j0nty> and what are those 		?
[07:39] <Maximilian1st> in the monitor section
[07:39] <grazie> lines 108-113
[07:39] <Maximilian1st> It chooses the best refresh for your monitor if you want.
[07:39] <Maximilian1st> Or is DPMS the standard one?
[07:39] <j0nty> ok tell me what to change and where
[07:39] <Maximilian1st> I'm not sure but it's safe
[07:40] <Maximilian1st> Option		"DPMS"
[07:40] <Maximilian1st> in the monitor section
[07:40] <Maximilian1st> Section "Monitor"
[07:40] <j0nty> [6:40pm]  <Maximilian1st> Option		"DPMS"
[07:40] <j0nty> is that right? 2 boxes?
[07:40] <j0nty> what are the 2 boxes?
[07:40] <Maximilian1st> j0nty, Option		"DPMS"
[07:40] <Maximilian1st> Oh, no two boxes, two tabs.
[07:40] <j0nty> i see 2 boxes between Option and "DPMS"
[07:41] <toxik`> j0nty: Those are tabs
[07:41] <j0nty> grrr
[07:41] <j0nty> oh
[07:41] <Maximilian1st> Well check your xorg.conf and figure it out...
[07:41] <j0nty> ok
[07:41] <j0nty> where i put it?
[07:41] <Maximilian1st> j0nty, Are you joking?
[07:41] <j0nty> where abouts in xorg.conf?
[07:41] <Maximilian1st> Section "Monitor"
[07:41] <j0nty> anywhere in there?
[07:42] <toxik`>  19:40:04 | .  Maximilian1st> in the monitor section
[07:42] <toxik`>  19:40:17 | .  Maximilian1st> Section "Monitor"
[07:42] <Maximilian1st> even grazie showed you the lines
[07:42] <j0nty> ok ok ok
[07:42] <Maximilian1st> Well sorry but...
[07:42] <Maximilian1st> Do we have to invent virtual hands to take yours in it?... joking :-p
[07:42] <j0nty> i'm a noob ffs
[07:43] <Maximilian1st> It's ok.
[07:43] <Maximilian1st> ffs?
[07:43] <toxik`> for fucks sake
[07:43] <j0nty> Option DPMS is already there
[07:43] <toxik`> j0nty: Being a newbie does not imply inability to read
[07:44] <j0nty> Section "Monitor"
[07:44] <j0nty> Identifier "Generic Monitor"
[07:44] <Maximilian1st> Then the screen already uses a good refresh rate for your monitor.
[07:44] <j0nty> Option "DPMS"
[07:44] <j0nty> well it displays CRAP
[07:44] <Maximilian1st> What do you mean by crap?
[07:44] <j0nty> lines
[07:45] <j0nty> bars not smoothed
[07:45] <j0nty> etc
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> This is not due to the refresh rate?!!!
[07:45] <j0nty> was on Win 98 and Win ME
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> this is probably due to the wrong driver used!
[07:45] <j0nty> gimme drivers
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> What card so you have?
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> gimme peace
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> What card so you have?
[07:45] <Maximilian1st> do you have?
[07:46] <gabkdll1> http://freespace.virgin.net/jonty.oglesby/Screenshot.png
[07:46] <j0nty> monitor is Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 i dunno card =S
[07:46] <Maximilian1st> this card is CRAP!!!!
[07:46] <j0nty> its under "device
[07:46] <j0nty> innit
[07:46] <Maximilian1st> gabkdll1, are these lines moving?
[07:46] <j0nty> yes
[07:46] <j0nty> its my lines
[07:47] <j0nty> they are moving
[07:47] <Maximilian1st> what driver do you use?
[07:47] <j0nty> dunno
[07:47] <Maximilian1st> moving up and down the whole screen?
[07:47] <j0nty> no just where it is
[07:47] <j0nty> but moving accross
[07:47] <gabkdll1> j0nty: yes you do, you said you use the trident driver :P
[07:47] <Maximilian1st> trident
[07:47] <j0nty> oh yes
[07:48] <j0nty> that picture shows the screen rendered
[07:48] <j0nty> or whateva
[07:48] <j0nty> the actually screen in pixely
[07:48] <j0nty> type
[07:48] <toxik`> It's odd how you can actually screenshot it, that should be on a different level.
[07:48] <j0nty> ?
[07:49] <j0nty> i used the screenshot addon
[07:49] <Maximilian1st> j0nty, check this http://linux-on-laptops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135
[07:49] <toxik`> Yes, but the actual rendering to your monitor isn't what you screenshot, you screenshot offscreen memory, AFAIK
[07:51] <jonty_rocks3> do i copy Modeline "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
[07:51] <jonty_rocks3> into Monitor section?
[07:52] <Maximilian1st> no
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> ah wait
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> this solution
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> in terminal
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> $ sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> in the Section "Monitor" change the HorizSync and VertRefresh to:
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> HorizSync 31.5-90.0
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> VertRefresh 59.0-85.0
[07:53] <Maximilian1st> Is it the same laptop you have?
[07:53] <jonty_rocks3> nope but same graphics card
[07:54] <Maximilian1st> Before trying this out, have you tried hanging a standard monitor to it?
[07:54] <jonty_rocks3> yes it is fine on that
[07:54] <jonty_rocks3> fine on external monitor
[07:55] <Maximilian1st> maybe change the vertical sync to 75 in place of 85
[07:56] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[07:56] <Maximilian1st> This is quite dangerous and could harm your monitor...
[07:57] <mafu> Hello everybody. I installed xubuntu edgy and noticed that my resolution is 1680x1050 just fine, but it doesn't show up under settings->display settings. Should I report that somewhere?
[07:58] <Maximilian1st> mafu, It does report as default?!
[07:58] <mafu> Yes, exactly. Just default. But it doesn't show it. But maybe that's it?
[07:58] <Maximilian1st> Yes, that's it.
[07:59] <Maximilian1st> You probably don't have other resolution registered in your xorg.conf
[07:59] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, did your monitor fry?
[07:59] <jonty_rocks3> i cant change xorg.conf
[07:59] <Maximilian1st> you need to be root for this
[07:59] <jonty_rocks3> it says cannot open file to write
[07:59] <jonty_rocks3> omg
[07:59] <jonty_rocks3> how i get into root?
[07:59] <Maximilian1st> What has God to do with this?
[08:00] <mafu> Hehe
[08:00] <Maximilian1st> By reading the manual! When you want to drive a car you have to pass an exam for the driving license.
[08:00] <jonty_rocks3> comon u aint helping
[08:00] <jonty_rocks3> that sudo gedit doesnt work
[08:00] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, ?????????????????????????
[08:00] <jonty_rocks3> says sudo: gedit not a recognized command
[08:00] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: Whats the problem?
[08:01] <Maximilian1st> sudo nano
[08:01] <jonty_rocks3> oh
[08:01] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, That is because gedit is not installed
[08:01] <Maximilian1st> sudo mousepad
[08:01] <mafu> jonty_rocks3: you should really read man sudo, you'll have to use it a lot. :)
[08:01] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, I'm sorry, once more I jump out of my calm, but hey!?! This is clearly explained in the manual.
[08:02] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, What exactly is explained in the manual?
[08:02] <Maximilian1st> The sudo command!
[08:03] <Maximilian1st> Hi maxamillion
[08:03] <maxamillion> hello Maximilian1st
[08:03] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, We don't tell people to rtfm here ;]
[08:03] <maxamillion> !rtfm
[08:03] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[08:03] <Maximilian1st> But hey... this is the minimum one could do?!
[08:03] <maxamillion> :)
[08:04] <jarnos> Can anybody tell how can you make xscreensaver start automatically, I have filed a bug about it, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/77432
[08:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77432 in xubuntu-default-settings "The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running" [Undecided,Needs info]
[08:04] <Maximilian1st> ok ok, I'll be a gentleman .
[08:05] <Maximilian1st> so jonty_rocks3 where about are you now?
[08:05] <somerville32> jarnos: Can you make sure the screensaver daemon is installed?
[08:05] <somerville32> jarnos: Also, what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[08:05] <j0nty> back
[08:06] <jonty_rocks3> right
[08:06] <jonty_rocks3> i edited now how i save in nano?
[08:06] <maxamillion> jarnos: applications->settings->autostarted applications ... add xscreensaver
[08:06] <Maximilian1st> was it ctrl+o
[08:06] <jonty_rocks3> WriteOut?
[08:06] <maxamillion> jarnos: i assume you are running beryl?
[08:06] <mafu> jonty_rocks3: it says on the bottom of the screen
[08:06] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, ctrl+o
[08:06] <Maximilian1st> yep
[08:07] <mafu> jonty_rocks3: ctrl+w
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> done
[08:07] <jarnos> somerville32, yes it is installed and I can make it run like this: http://iki.fi/8/tmp/Screenshot.png
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> ctrl+o
[08:07] <Maximilian1st> good, for your information https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/linux-basics.html#root-and-sudo
[08:07] <Maximilian1st> now you saved that file, give it a try.
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> restarting X
[08:07] <jarnos> maxamillion, the versions are told in the bug report.
[08:07] <mafu> Is there no easy way to add shortcuts to a panel in xfce? Drag'n'drop or anything?
[08:07] <Maximilian1st> very good. We wait here for you.
[08:08] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, huge suspens...
[08:08] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, what does it look like?
[08:08] <maxamillion> jarnos: rgr, lemme go take a looke
[08:08] <maxamillion> -e
[08:08] <jonty_rocks3> do u have to reboot?
[08:08] <gpocentek> mafu: no, you need to right clic and add an item
[08:08] <Maximilian1st> nope, normally not...
[08:08] <jonty_rocks3> still crap
[08:08] <jonty_rocks3> still lines
[08:08] <jonty_rocks3> lets reboot
[08:09] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, open the window, check that there is nobody outside and wipe that thing away!
[08:09] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, joking
[08:09] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, don't do that
[08:09] <jonty_rocks3> hum
[08:09] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, I know
[08:09] <jonty_rocks3> new refresh rate still shows lines.....
[08:10] <jonty_rocks3> brb
[08:10] <maxamillion> jarnos: did you see what i told you about the "autostarted applications" and to add it there? ... i ran into this problem before when i was running beryl at work, i assumed it had something to do with "breaking" the built in auto start of xscreensaver because beryl messes with alot of stuff
[08:11] <jarnos> maxamillion, it is not in the "autostarted applications" list, but it wasn't there before either, only update notifier has been.I might try to add it anyway.
[08:11] <jonty_rocks3> hum
[08:11] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, what laptop brand is it you are trying to install xubuntu on?
[08:11] <jonty_rocks3> Toshiba
[08:12] <Maximilian1st> model?
[08:12] <jonty_rocks3> Toshiba Satellite 4090CDS
[08:13] <maxamillion> jarnos: its not supposed to be in the autostarted applications list, you have to add it ... i was offering that as a work around until the bug is fixed
[08:15] <jarnos> maxamillion, ok, Do I have to restart to test it or is re-login enough?
[08:16] <mafu> Small problem here: in synaptic, I am trying to install the sun java jdk binaries. Now it prompts me to accept the license by hitting enter. Only problem: I can't.
[08:16] <mafu> Never mind
[08:16] <mafu> :)
[08:16] <mafu> I love my tab key
[08:16] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, I'm a bit out of ideas about the jonty_rocks3 problem. He seems to have lines on his screen. http://freespace.virgin.net/jonty.oglesby/Screenshot.png
[08:17] <maxamillion> jarnos: re-login will suffice
[08:17] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, Please disable your away notifier :)
[08:17] <jonty_rocks3> plus i am going for a shower
[08:17] <jarnos> maxamillion, OK, I'll try soon.
[08:17] <jonty_rocks3> could you be so kind and send me info to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:17] <somerville32> As for the lines of the screen, it looks like you need to upgrade your drivers
[08:17] <jonty_rocks3> if u find out a solution
[08:18] <somerville32> or switch to vesa
[08:18] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, It's not you but the problem with the laptop that stinks...
[08:18] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 where can i get updated drivers?
[08:18] <jonty_rocks3> vesa?
[08:18] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, What video card do you have?
[08:18] <Maximilian1st> jonty_rocks3, already try the vesa driver...
[08:18] <jonty_rocks3> Trident
[08:18] <Maximilian1st> trident
[08:19] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, There are some stuff we can try but it might just be better to buy a new video card. Trident is old, isn't it?
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> He has Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525
[08:19] <jonty_rocks3> one sec i gonna reboot
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> It is old and CRAP!
[08:19] <somerville32> :D
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 its on loan from my next doorneighbor
[08:20] <Maximilian1st> He uses a laptop. I know because I also had trident chipset CG and it really is the lowest quality you can get
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> 2.5mb =D
[08:20] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, is right, you should try the vesa driver.
[08:21] <jonty_rocks3> vesa driver?
[08:22] <Maximilian1st> You have to change that in the current kernel... But this surely sounds like chinese to you and I understand.
[08:22] <jonty_rocks3> step by step plz
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> http://purge.bash.sh/%7Ebredroll/satsite/
[08:23] <jonty_rocks3> could u send step by step to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cause i really gotta go
[08:23] <jarnos> maxamillion, I'm back after logout and xscreensaver autostarted, thanks.
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> Wait one more minute.
[08:24] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, you need to modify xorg.conf and select the vesa driver
[08:24] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, or just do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[08:25] <maxamillion> jarnos: no problem :)
[08:25] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 last time i did dkpg thing loads of warnings and errors popped up
[08:26] <Maximilian1st> try what somerville32 suggested, to change the trident driver as vesa.
[08:26] <Maximilian1st> somerville32, are you a calm type?
[08:26] <somerville32> Yup :)
[08:27] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[08:27] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[08:27] <jonty_rocks3> where r the ops on this chan btw?
[08:27] <Maximilian1st> Never seen any
[08:28] <jonty_rocks3> g2g c ya
[08:28] <Maximilian1st> Why you need the ops by the way?
[08:28] <jonty_rocks3> willl try vesa thing soon
[08:28] <Maximilian1st> good luck
[08:28] <jonty_rocks3> bye
[08:28] <Maximilian1st> bye
[08:29] <Maximilian1st> All these folks leave their computers turned on.
[08:30] <somerville32> hehe
[08:38] <maxamillion> need food
[08:38] <maxamillion> laters
[08:57] <jonty_rocks3> bacl
[08:57] <jonty_rocks3> back*
[08:57] <Maximilian1st> Hey jonty_rocks3, Mr suspens.
[08:57] <jonty_rocks3> Suspens?
[08:57] <Maximilian1st> Did you try what somerville32 suggested?
[08:57] <jonty_rocks3> am about to
[08:57] <Maximilian1st> Merde, that must be a french wors
[08:57] <Maximilian1st> word
[08:58] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, You must disable your away notification. Please do so now :)
[08:58] <jonty_rocks3> its cause i typed /away reason
[08:58] <somerville32> Are you using xchat?
[08:58] <jonty_rocks3> nope
[08:58] <somerville32> Ok
[08:58] <somerville32> Well, what ever the client
[08:58] <jonty_rocks3> Invision IRC Windows
[08:59] <somerville32> You need to disable that
[08:59] <jonty_rocks3> ^^
[08:59] <somerville32> :]
[08:59] <jonty_rocks3> ok just booting up laptop
[09:05] <jonty_rocks3> will i change Driver "trident" to Driver "vesa" ?
[09:06] <jonty_rocks3> kk
[09:06] <jonty_rocks3> do i reboot?
[09:06] <Maximilian1st> somerville32 is a good example of patience and compassion, I learn from you.
[09:07] <somerville32> :)
[09:07] <somerville32> thanks :)
[09:07] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32?
[09:07] <jonty_rocks3> do i reboot?
[09:08] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, Just restart X
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> i'll reboot
[09:08] <somerville32> crtl + alt+ backspace
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> it'll be easier
[09:08] <somerville32> no it won't be
[09:08] <somerville32> just press ctrl + alt + backspace
[09:08] <somerville32> :)
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> u no lines appear at login too
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> oooo
[09:08] <jonty_rocks3> Hold the phone
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> NO LINES
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[09:09] <somerville32> lol
[09:09] <somerville32> Calm down buddy
[09:09] <somerville32> lol
[09:09] <somerville32> :)
[09:09] <somerville32> Happy we could help
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER +D
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> =DDDD
[09:09] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 does it again =)
[09:10] <somerville32> hehe
[09:11] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3, Have you subscribed to the new mailing list?
[09:11] <jonty_rocks3> no
[09:11] <jonty_rocks3> !mailinglist
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mailinglist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <somerville32> hehe
[09:11] <jonty_rocks3> !mail
[09:11] <Maximilian1st> oh, me neither but I saw it announced in the news
[09:11] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[09:11] <jonty_rocks3> =D
[09:11] <jonty_rocks3> that it?
[09:11] <somerville32> see the topic ^^
[09:11] <somerville32> Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users
[09:12] <jonty_rocks3> ok ty
[09:12] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 thank you soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> http://xubuntu.com/node/24
[09:13] <ephemeros> yo m\/
[09:13] <ephemeros> *\m/
[09:13] <jonty_rocks3> c ya
[09:14] <somerville32> C ya
[09:14] <somerville32> Hey ephemeros :)
[09:15] <ephemeros> ;)
[09:37] <Vilhelm1> what's the application I can change the appearance of KDE applications in XFCE? I don't have Kubuntu installed but I use amarok and konqueror though because they rule ok
[09:42] <somerville32> By installing Armorak and Konqueror, you've most likely pulled in lots of KDE dependencies
[09:43] <Vilhelm1> yes I've done
[09:44] <Vilhelm1> that's why I think I can change they look in XFCE with an application
[09:44] <Vilhelm1> but I don't know what it is
[09:45] <maxamillion> Vilhelm1: KDE applications are written in Qt, Xfce is written in GTK ... you won't be able to have the theme match exactly
[09:45] <Commander-Crowe> Hrm, I jsut figured out my problem
[09:46] <Commander-Crowe> my installation of linux on this computer will always fail if I format the HDD to EXT3
[09:46] <Commander-Crowe> whats the next best one?
[09:47] <somerville32> ext3 is good
[09:47] <somerville32> You want ext3
[09:48] <Commander-Crowe> somerville32 I can't
[09:48] <Vilhelm1> I know that but isn't it possible to change theme of Qt-based applications though? I don't mean it is possible to do with the same application I change the appearance of GTK-based ones after all
[09:49] <somerville32> Vilhelm1, I'm sure there is a file you can edit.
[09:49] <somerville32> You might ask in #kubuntu
[09:49] <maxamillion> i gott run ... work stuffs
[09:58] <lah> moko
[10:02] <somerville32> :)
[10:02] <somerville32> Hi lah
[11:11] <LOKadin> How can I get Dvorak left on my keyboard?
[11:11] <LOKadin> on Xubuntu
[11:11] <Jester45> dvorak?
[11:11] <LOKadin> I have pain in my right elbow so it hurts for me to type with that arm.
[11:12] <LOKadin> It's a keyboard layout.
[11:12] <Jester45> o
[11:12] <LOKadin> allows you to just type with your left hand
[11:13] <Jester45> thats weird but i guess if it hurts to use right then its a good idea
[11:13] <LOKadin> Would you know how I could go about installing it?
[11:13] <Jester45> no
[11:13] <Jester45> !dvorak
[11:13] <ubotu> dvorak is a keyboard layout that aims to be more comfortable and efficient alternative to the standard "QWERTY" pattern. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[11:14] <Jester45> thats no help
[11:14] <LOKadin> kk
[11:14] <Jester45> !info dvorak
[11:14] <ubotu> Package dvorak does not exist in any distro I know
[11:14] <Jester45> LOKadin: try apt-cache search dvorak
[11:15] <Jester45> anyone know if or when the ati drivers will be upgraded in the repos?
[11:25] <arentoine> LOKadin : did you try to edit xorg.conf :         Option "XkbLayout"  "dvorak"
[11:27] <somerville32> LOKadin: It is probably already installed. You can change your keyboard layout with the keyboard layout switcher applet.
[11:28] <somerville32> hmm...
[11:28] <somerville32> You might have to reconfigure your xorg.conf file too include it too
[12:13] <HungryHippo> Good morning!
[12:13] <HungryHippo> I've got an video ipod and I can't seem to get it mounted. Any hints?
[12:13] <maxamillion> afternoon for me .. .:)
[12:13] <maxamillion> !gtkpod
[12:14] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[12:14] <HungryHippo> it doesn't see it
[12:14] <maxamillion> HungryHippo: oh ... hrmmm...
[12:14] <maxamillion> HungryHippo: i don't own an iPod .. i'm broke :(
[12:14] <HungryHippo> ok
[12:18] <HungryHippo> gtkpod says '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted.


[00:02] <StevenK> lifeless: So is 'irony' just a metal to you? :-P
[00:09] <lifeless> I think the boron sell it?
[00:29] <wgrant> lifeless: Hm
[00:30] <wgrant> I think we can speed up the test suite significantly by completely disabling the lazr.restful representation cache.
[00:30] <wgrant> We don't read from it, but we still invalidate it on every object flush.
[00:30] <wgrant> Saves 25% on makePerson.
[00:31] <lifeless> bug 780835
[00:31] <_mup_> Bug #780835: representation cache a pessimization <easy> <performance> <tech-debt> <lazr.restful:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/780835 >
[00:32] <wgrant> Sure, but it doesn't say that even when disabled (which is everywhere) it still hurts writes.
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: feel free to add that (or just rip the cache out)
[00:33] <wgrant> I'm just going to rip it out, since reading from config there is probably too slow.
[00:33] <wgrant> lazr.config is pretty awful.
[00:34] <wgrant> (seriously, just profiled)
[00:37] <wgrant> That saves 40% now, both in and outside the profiler.
[00:40] <lifeless> o/
[00:40] <wgrant> Our Storm tracers are slowish too, but not so bad
[00:40] <lifeless> they need to be replaced
[00:40] <lifeless> there is a cleaner version in storm trunk
[00:40] <lifeless> I context switched at the wrong point
[00:41] <wgrant> Ah
[00:41] <wgrant> Timeout checking goes through lazr.config
[00:42] <wgrant> Oops
[00:42] <lifeless> only until its overridden by the feature flag IIRC?
[00:42]  * StevenK goes next door to relocate a lawn mower ...
[00:43] <wgrant> lifeless: Ah, true, so it only happens in the test suite I guess.
[00:44] <StevenK> wallyworld__: How is the SSD?
[00:45] <wallyworld__> StevenK: not sure yet. i downloaded a precise iso and am yet to install it
[00:45] <lifeless> wgrant: check the implementation if you like
[00:45] <wallyworld__> gotta decide if swap should live on the sdd r not. opinion?
[00:45] <lifeless> wallyworld__: swap? what swap.
[00:46] <wgrant> s/ should live on the sdd r not//
[00:46] <wallyworld__> lifeless:  guess you have lots of ram?
[00:46] <lifeless> wallyworld__: 8GB on my laptop, 16GB on my desktop.
[00:46] <wallyworld__> i have 4BB
[00:46] <wallyworld__> GB
[00:46] <lifeless> wallyworld__: should be able to do quite a lot w/out swap
[00:46] <wgrant> Oh, right, and you run LP on amd64.
[00:46] <StevenK> I have swap on the SSD, but that was so I could hibernate. Which doesn't actually work anyway, so I could kill it.
[00:47] <wallyworld__> yeah, i do run lp on amd64. it's not too bad
[00:47] <wallyworld__> fsvo too
[00:47] <lifeless> I have 1GB swap just-in-case
[00:47] <lifeless> Swap:  1050616k total,        0k used,
[00:47] <wallyworld__> i'm afriaid if a put it on the ssd it will kill the ssd
[00:48] <wallyworld__> well, shorted it's life
[00:48] <wallyworld__> significantly
[00:48] <lifeless> only if you use it
[00:48] <lifeless> what SSD did you get?
[00:48]  * StevenK peers at jenkins
[00:49] <wallyworld__> crucial M4
[00:49] <wallyworld__> $180 on amazon
[00:49] <wallyworld__> 128GB
[00:49] <wallyworld__> yeah, and i will be using swap, so best to leave on the hdd i guess
[00:50] <lifeless> if you're using swap, andhave an hdd available, definitely put it on the hdd
[00:50] <lifeless> also
[00:50] <lifeless> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Crucial-m4-Firmware-BSOD,14544.html
[00:50]  * wallyworld__ looks
[00:51] <wallyworld__> lifeless: yeah, saw that issue. i think the drives shipping recently already have the updated f/w but need to check that.
[00:57] <lifeless> wallyworld__: anyhow, I don't know the crucial arch; the intel one its fine to run swap on - they have (IIRC) 30% slack space to wear level across
[00:58] <wallyworld__> ok. thanks for the info. i'll do some research :-)
[00:59] <lifeless> but that said, IMO when you hit swap you've already lost
[01:00] <StevenK> 2.6 and 3.x are swappyish kernels anyway.  They shouldn't have a problem with that. I hope.
[01:07] <wallyworld__> hope not. if you do, let me know how it goes
[01:07] <StevenK> lifeless: And?
[01:08] <lifeless> StevenK: I thought they were sydney-folk
[01:09] <StevenK> lifeless: Sarah and her family are all from Adelaide.
[01:09] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Bloody hell. $275 to fly to ADL on Qantas. One way.
[01:09] <wallyworld__> wow
[01:10] <wallyworld__> bit of a rip off
[01:10] <StevenK> A bit, you say?
[01:10] <StevenK> That's like calling a fish 'a bit wet'.
[01:11] <StevenK> Or $380, if I choose to go via Melbourne.
[01:11] <StevenK> May as well send me via Perth
[01:11] <lifeless> StevenK: interesting! I wonder why I thought she was from Sydney
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld__: the opera as a little surprising
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld__: I was jet-lagged, and the opera theatre was warm and dark
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld__: the normal naps and snaps occurred
[01:12] <wallyworld__> oh no, you fell asleep
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld__: I feel sorry for the people behind us
[01:12] <wallyworld__> hah
[01:13] <thumper> wallyworld__: not fully asleep, just nodded off a few times
[01:13] <thumper> wallyworld__: I wasn't the only one though
[01:13] <wallyworld__> it's the head snaps that give it away :-)
[01:13] <StevenK> I can recall doing that in dark lecture halls when I was at uni ...
[01:13] <thumper> wallyworld__: I found the opera was better after half time when I read the storyline someone had printed out from wikipeadia and stopped trying to read the subtitles
[01:13] <wallyworld__> lol
[01:14] <wallyworld__> and how were the meetings? everything sorted out?
[01:16] <wgrant> wallyworld__: I did too
[01:18] <wallyworld__> too bad $300 doesn't get very far on Qantas
[01:19] <lifeless> it gets you on the plane
[01:19] <wgrant> Sometimes.
[01:24] <StevenK> Haha
[01:26] <StevenK> Sigh. Can we kill polls yet?
[01:27] <wgrant> Now I wonder what could have triggered that? :)
[01:27] <StevenK> I wonder. :-P
[01:31] <wallyworld__> what happened with polls?
[03:13] <StevenK> wgrant: I have to admit, I'm a little worried adding combobuild into build.
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: Check the qastaging, staging and production build scripts. If they don't use build, you're safe enough.
[03:16] <wgrant> (enough)
[03:16] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah, but where the scripts?
[03:20] <wgrant> StevenK: staging_restore.sh is in lp:lp-staging-scripts
[03:21] <wgrant> qastaging-update.sh is elusive
[03:21] <wgrant> And an old version of the production deploymgr config is in carob:~wgrant/dpm-lp-configs
[03:22]  * StevenK stabs SSO, and then twists the knife.
[03:22] <wgrant> connection resets?
[03:23] <StevenK> ssh launchpad@asuka "make -C /srv/staging.launchpad.net/staging/launchpad-new build LPCONFIG=staging" >> $LOGFILE 2>&1
[03:23] <StevenK> No build for me
[03:23] <wgrant> Ah, but that's asuka.
[03:24] <wgrant> Exactly where you want it.
[03:24] <StevenK> It does it on gandwana too
[03:24] <wgrant> That's probably because it was copied from asuka; not because it's necessary.
[03:24] <wgrant> build: compile apidoc jsbuild css_combine sprite_image
[03:24] <wgrant> The only thing gandwana needs from that is compile.
[03:26] <StevenK> Right, so I want to branch this and set a CONVOY_ROOT
[03:26] <wgrant> Probably
[03:26] <wgrant> You also need to obtain qastaging-update.sh
[03:26] <wgrant> And possibly a more recent deploymgr config from prasé c/o spm
[03:30] <nigelb> Mornin'
[03:49] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You don't show up in mumble as 'harshal-sengar' any more, right?
[03:50] <wallyworld_> StevenK: not that i'm aware of
[03:50] <StevenK> wallyworld_: You have an open RT (#43809) about that issue, you could ask IS to close it.
[03:50] <_mup_> Bug #43809: missing manpage for wcsftime <manpages-posix (Ubuntu):Invalid> <manpages (Debian):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/43809 >
[03:50] <wallyworld_> ok
[05:13] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Can't you just use an 'LP' namespace or something?
[05:14] <wgrant> Or is that too global for deryck/rick_h's liking?
[05:14] <wallyworld_> tried something like that, doesn't work across instances
[05:14] <wgrant> Just for the event.
[05:14] <wgrant> :(
[05:14] <wallyworld_> atm, i'm devoid of ideas
[05:18]  * wallyworld_ goes to get the kid from school and transfer rego on "new" car. old faithful blue one finally died :-(
[05:50] <wgrant> :(
[05:50] <wgrant> Removing the representationcache may only have saved 5-10 minutes :(
[05:50] <StevenK> It's still a plus
[05:59] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Is bug #923973 the event issue?
[05:59] <_mup_> Bug #923973: sync page is broken <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/923973 >
[05:59] <wallyworld_> i didn't raise that one, let me look
[05:59] <wgrant> I assume the AJAX log and MP longpoll breakage is also that.
[05:59] <wgrant> But those two are less important, as they only affect us.
[06:00] <wallyworld_> wgrant: i'm not familiar with that bit of code. i raised bug 923619 to cover cases like editing a recipe, editing a blueprint, changing a branch name
[06:00] <_mup_> Bug #923619: client model changed events broken <regression> <ui> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/923619 >
[06:01] <wgrant> wallyworld_: I imagine they'll need separate fixes.
[06:01] <wallyworld_> i don't know if the breakage in the bug you posted uses the cahce model events or not
[06:01] <wallyworld_> or what meachanism is used, but sounds similar to what we're seeing elsewhere
[06:02] <wgrant> It doesn't use those, no.
[06:02] <wallyworld_> but if it does use Y.fire in some way, shape or form it most likely is now broken
[06:03] <wallyworld_> just a guess
[06:03] <wgrant> That was my assumption.
[06:04] <wallyworld_> it depends on if separate yui() instances are used
[06:05] <wallyworld_> but if there's a few breakages like this, we need to get this fixed asap
[06:06] <wallyworld_> and two of the current maintenance squad were involved in the yui work at the epic, so they are well placed to look at this
[08:56] <adeuring> good morning
[09:42] <danhg_> #launchpad-kitchen
[11:42] <StevenK> AttributeError: 'TestPullerMasterIntegration' object has no attribute '_lock_actions'
[11:42] <StevenK> I thought bzr 2.5 fixed that from happening? :-(
[11:44] <jelmer> StevenK: I think it's mostly got to do with hook installation
[11:52] <jml> I just edited a milestone inline on a bug page and the new impage where the edit icon should be was a 404
[11:52] <jml> with this URL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/testtools/+bug/881052/undefined
[11:52] <_mup_> Bug #881052: assertRaises gives error about a lambda <regression> <testtools:Fix Committed by jml> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/881052 >
[12:30] <rick_h> bah, missed him
[14:41] <deryck> abentley, adeuring, rick_h -- standup in 5 cool?
[14:42] <rick_h> deryck: k
[14:42] <adeuring> deryck: fine for me
[14:42] <abentley> deryck: sure
[14:47] <deryck> rick_h, adeuring, abentley -- having issues connecting to mumble for some reason.
[14:47] <abentley> deryck: same here.
[14:48] <deryck> rick_h, adeuring -- did you guys get in?  We may need Skype for abentley and I.
[14:48] <rick_h> yea, we're both in
[14:48] <adeuring> deryck: yes
[14:49] <deryck> hmmm, yeah, I can't get in.  Doesn't like my password.
[14:50] <deryck> I got in.
[14:50] <deryck> adeuring, rick_h, abentley ^^
[14:50] <rick_h> heh, adeuring and I jumped out. adeuring went looking for a machine with skype installed
[14:50] <deryck> and abentley just got in!
[14:50] <rick_h> ok, back to mumble!
[15:51] <salgado> mrevell, are we supposed to have a call in 10 minutes?  I didn't get any invites for it
[15:52] <salgado> my calendar just warned me but I didn't see any invites before this
[15:53] <mrevell> Hey salgado, yeah I sent an invite. Is that okay with you or do you want to reschedule?
[15:53] <salgado> mrevell, it'd be nice to have mabac and danilos as well.  let's see what danilos thinks
[15:54] <salgado> danilos, ^
[15:54] <mrevell> Okay, great.
[15:55] <salgado> mrevell, did you send the invite to them as well or just me?
[15:55] <mrevell> salgado, only you
[15:56] <danilos> salgado, mrevell knows me all to well to want to talk to me
[15:56] <mrevell> :)
[15:56] <salgado> I know, but I thought you'd like to talk to him ;)
[15:58] <salgado> danilos, so, if you don't want to join I think I'll do it now and fill mabac later
[15:59] <danilos> salgado, mrevell: I'd be happy to join in, mumble on canonical server?
[15:59] <mrevell> Sure or Google Hangout
[16:00] <salgado> ok, I'll be back in 1 minute
[16:00] <danilos> mrevell, salgado: let's do mumble, I am not yet comfortable enough with hanging... out
[16:01] <danilos> mrevell, can you hear me?
[16:02] <mrevell> I hear you
[16:02] <mrevell> I'm having some trouble with the mic
[16:02] <mrevell> yes
[16:04] <salgado> unmute me!
[16:04] <danilos> salgado, can't you unmute yourself?
[16:18] <salgado> mrevell, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-status-website/+spec/individual-engineer-upcoming-work-view-mockup
[16:27] <jml> lifeless: do you have a tabular schema for subunit data anywhere?
[17:47] <lifeless> jml: maybe?
[17:48] <jml> lifeless: thinking of writing a subunit -> csv filter to make data analysis easier.
[17:48] <lifeless> ah
[17:48] <jml> lifeless: want to try to stop me?
[17:48] <lifeless> not at all
[17:48] <jml> :)
[17:48] <lifeless> subunit is streaming after all; so either casting it to a static form, or using a streaming language -> either make a lot of sense
[17:49] <lifeless> the lp results tracker may have some inspiration, as may the linaro thingy
[17:49] <jml> thinking id,start_time,stop_time,status for now
[17:49] <jml> lifeless: do you know where I can find those?
[17:52] <lifeless> somewhere on LP? lp:launchpad-results is one
[17:55]  * bigjools waves at lifeless the insomniac
[17:56] <lifeless> o/
[20:15] <deryck> wallyworld_, you around?
[20:25]  * deryck needs to get away from the screen, back soon
[20:54] <wallyworld_> deryck[lunch]: hi, ping me when you get back from lunch. i have to drop the kid at school soon, won't be long
[21:08] <deryck> wallyworld_, back when you are.
[21:11] <wallyworld_> deryck: give me 25 minutes. i'm just leaving to drop the kid to school, be back as soon as i can
[21:11] <mhall119> is there a way in launchpadlib for me to get a list of bugs that have a patch attached to them?
[21:11] <deryck> wallyworld_, np.
[21:13] <deryck> mhall119, use searchTasks and pass in the has_patch argument. see:  https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/
[21:13] <mhall119> thanks deryck
[21:13] <deryck> np
[21:43] <wallyworld___> deryck: hi, mumble?
[21:45] <deryck> wallyworld___, hey.  give me 3 or 4 minutes to wrap what I'm doing and I'll meet you there.
[21:45] <wallyworld___> ok
[21:45] <deryck> wallyworld___, and what's with all those underbars? ;)
[21:45] <wallyworld___> no idea
[21:45] <wallyworld___> NickServ says my nick is temporarily unavailable
[21:49] <deryck> wallyworld___, my brother in law came in sorry…. 5 more minutes
[21:49] <wallyworld___> np
[21:51] <wallyworld___> wgrant: i installed precise on a clean system. debversion for postgres 8.4 wouldn't install because libapt-pkg.4.10 wasn't there (precise uses 4.11 ). i can't find a deb for 4.10 anywhere. any hints?
[21:53] <wallyworld___> wgrant: to get it working, i forced debversion to install and symlinked the required .so files to the 4.11 ones. but now apt insists on uninstalling debversion since it thinks it's broken
[21:54] <deryck> wallyworld___, ok, free now.  firing up mumble
[21:54] <wallyworld___> ok
[21:54] <wgrant> wallyworld___: According to gary on the ML, LP on precise is broken in other ways too. I'll do a fresh LP installation today and sort it out.
[21:54] <wallyworld___> wgrant: thanks
[22:25] <wallyworld___> deryck: for the single instance name, a few people have expressed a dislike for "LPS". perhaps "LP_YUI" or something
[22:29] <deryck> wallyworld___, sure, I don't care about that.  I'd like to avoid underbars though.
[22:29] <wallyworld___> deryck: i have no opinion, just relaying someone else's :-)
[22:29] <deryck> wallyworld___, what's the dislike of LPS?  Just a weird name?
[22:29] <wallyworld___> yeah
[22:29] <deryck> yeah, I can see that.
[22:30] <wallyworld___> np, leave it to you to decide :-)
[22:30] <deryck> ah, I don't care.  I'll change it but drop the under bar.  LPYUI work?  Or LPUI?  Or …?
[22:30] <deryck> :)
[22:30] <lifeless> Launchpad Production Status
[22:30] <lifeless> ^ LPS already exists, lets not have two.
[22:31] <wallyworld___> lifeless: it used to be LPS, we are deciding on a new name
[22:31] <deryck> I think it was originally meant to be LPJS, but the sed script was wrong, and no one noticed or complained til now. ;)
[22:31] <lifeless> thanks! :)
[22:31] <wallyworld___> deryck: you serious???!!!!
[22:31] <deryck> wallyworld___, I am. ;)
[22:31] <wallyworld___> lol
[22:31] <deryck> heh, I know.
[22:32] <wallyworld___> LPYUI sounds ok to me, but meh
[22:32] <deryck> yeah, I'm not passionate about it either.
[22:32] <deryck> Just too lazy to type an underbar all the time.
[22:32]  * wallyworld___ nods
[22:33] <deryck> I think we should try again for LPJS and see if we get it right this time. ;)
[22:33] <StevenK> LPJS sounds okay to me
[22:33] <StevenK> Better than LPS anyway
[22:34] <deryck> I'm just kidding around.  Any other name is fine with me.  Will let rick_h pick since he'll be doing the sed-based branch tomorrow.
[22:53] <deryck> Later on, everyone.


[00:41] <reisio> hrmmm, can't /join #ubuntu
[01:05] <bazhang> reisio, you were ban forwarded here
[01:06] <reisio> why's that?
[01:06] <bazhang> telling people to google it, and being less than helpful from the look of it
[01:07] <reisio> I haven't told anyone to google anything for ages, if ever
[01:08] <reisio> and since the channel is publicly logged, that is a matter of public record
[01:11] <bazhang> and the unhelpful bit?
[01:12] <reisio> show me where I was unhelpful
[01:12] <bazhang> you'd better discuss with the op who banned you.
[01:13] <reisio> I tried to, he ignored me
[01:13] <bazhang> when
[01:13] <reisio> when I got kicked
[01:14] <bazhang> well there is an easy way to resolve this, but being contentious wont be that way
[01:14] <reisio> contentious? Is that what you call having no idea why you're banned?
[01:14] <bazhang> so I'd suggest waiting a bit, and discussing with him at some later point
[01:14] <reisio> what's the easy way to resolve it?
[01:14] <bazhang> oh I have a clear idea.
[01:14] <reisio> some magical later point when he won't just ignore me?
[01:14] <reisio> a clear idea of what?
[01:15] <bazhang> why you were banned.
[01:15] <reisio> do tell
[01:15] <bazhang> better you let all parties concerned cool off and come back later to discuss.
[01:16] <reisio> well I'm not "hot", and an op that's hot shouldn't be an op, but seeing as you won't help me and the op in question is just ignoring me, I s'pose I have little choice but to sit here and jabber with you
[01:16] <bazhang> not interested.
[01:16] <reisio> I can see that, baz
[01:17] <reisio> why was I forwarded to a channel of people who aren't interested in talking with me?
[01:17] <bazhang> we don't stay on call 24/7
[01:17] <reisio> you don't have to
[01:17] <reisio> you (personally) are here right now
[01:17] <bazhang> indeed. it's volunteer work.
[01:17] <elky> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/23/%23ubuntu.html#t09:21
[01:18] <reisio> so you aren't volunteering right now? :)
[01:18] <bazhang> not interested in a debate on who's right or wrong. you were banned, and then forwarded here.
[01:18] <reisio> why was I forwarded here?
[01:19] <bazhang> seems like you want to argue the fine points more than get the ban removed.
[01:19] <reisio> uhhh...
[01:19] <reisio> how does it seem that?
[01:19] <reisio> I would like the ban removed
[01:19] <reisio> please remove it :)
[01:20] <elky> Man, I wish life worked like that.
[01:20] <bazhang> not without some recognition of why you got banned
[01:20] <bazhang> reisio	themacguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mac%22%20%22grub2%22
[01:21] <bazhang> oCean	reisio: please don't send people to google. They know google exists, they come here for specific answers to specific questions
[01:21] <reisio> oCean didn't ban me
[01:21] <elky> bazhang, actually, the bit he directly got banned for that wasn't just bad reputation was http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/24/%23ubuntu.html#t08:29
[01:21] <bazhang> 	oCean: do they really... and where is your alternative
[01:21] <bazhang> the last was you
[01:22] <elky> someone asked for "a good av" and so he told them to use something that was useless.
[01:22] <reisio> I did not
[01:22] <reisio> clamav is a good av
[01:22] <reisio> it's a superb av
[01:23] <elky> It's not what he was looking for, however. You were aware of that. You still told him to use it.
[01:23] <reisio> I was not aware of that, he specifically asked for an av
[01:24] <reisio> to my eyes that means he was specifically looking for one
[01:24] <elky> You're not a good helper then.
[01:24] <elky> You should have asked what the av was for, as that's what a good helper would have done first.
[01:24] <elky> Rather than giving misleading advice.
[01:24] <reisio> it wasn't misleading
[01:24] <elky> Yes. Yes it was.
[01:25] <reisio> uhhhh, no it wasn't
[01:25] <reisio> are you serious?
[01:25] <elky> Yes.
[01:25] <reisio> how is telling someone a good av when they ask for one misleading?
[01:25] <elky> In windows land, what are AVs for?
[01:26] <reisio> they're for anti-virus
[01:26] <elky> In what capacity?
[01:26] <reisio> in what capacity?
[01:26] <reisio> they detect viruses
[01:26] <reisio> I assume this questioning is meant to reveal the answer to my question about how it was misleading?
[01:28] <reisio> perhaps not?
[01:28] <elky> In the same capacity as an antivirus on linux?
[01:28] <reisio> there is a broad overlap, sure
[01:29] <reisio> AV is about the same on any platform, find viruses, optionally do something about them
[01:29] <reisio> as I assume you know
[01:31] <elky> So, you're saying that clamav on linux will protect the computer in the same way that an av on windows does?
[01:32] <reisio> it detects viruses the same way it does on Windows
[01:32] <elky> That's not what I asked.
[01:33] <elky> wrapids	Could someone point me in the direction of a good AV?	08:29
[01:33] <elky> reisio	wrapids: clamav	08:29
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	wrapids: you shouldn't need one for linux	08:30
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	reisio: that will not protect his linux machine	08:30
[01:33] <elky> reisio	ikonia: the sun rises in the east	08:30
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	reisio: what ?	08:30
[01:33] <elky> reisio	ikonia: thought it was state the obvious time	08:30
[01:33] <reisio> the exact same way? No, Windows and Linux are different operating systems
[01:33] <reisio> elky: you shouldn't need cinelerra for Linux, either
[01:33] <reisio> are you saying I'd have been banned for saying 'cinelerra' to someone asking for a video editor?
[01:34] <elky> No, I'm saying you are well aware that there are different use cases between linux and windows, and did not clarify in the least.
[01:35] <reisio> clarify what
[01:35] <reisio> he didn't even respond to me
[01:35] <reisio> wrapids
[01:35] <reisio> didn't seem like he was confused about anything
[01:35] <reisio> so... what would I have clarified
[01:36] <elky> What the user wanted the AV for, before implying that clamav would fulfil the typical newbie expectation.
[01:36] <reisio> he didn't say what he wanted it for
[01:38] <reisio> is that it, I was banned for not clarifying something the user never brought up? For not reading minds, basically?
[01:38] <elky> I need to get back to work now. Since you're clearly unwilling to learn from the experience of channel ops, this is not progressing.   Putting words in others mouths will not help your situation.
[01:46] <reisio> clamav _is_ like MSE
[01:47] <bazhang> no its not
[01:47] <reisio> and he didn't specify what he wanted outside of 'an av'
[01:47] <reisio> yes, it really is
[01:47] <bazhang> oy vey
[01:47] <reisio> Jordan_U: well that's all _I_ ever said
[01:47] <reisio> and here I am banned
[01:47] <bazhang> better come back later
[01:47] <reisio> what good will that do?
[01:47] <reisio> you guys going to look up what an AV is between now and "later"?
[01:47] <bazhang> I'm not unbanning you either
[01:47] <reisio> really, you aren't? :p
[01:48] <bazhang> you just want to argue how your behavior is 100% a-ok, when in fact it's not
[01:48] <reisio> Jordan_U: man asked for an av, I told him one — you tell me, why'm I banned?
[01:48] <reisio> bazhang: actually I'd like to be unbanned
[01:48] <reisio> and you people don't seem to be able to do that without determining why I was banned in the first place
[01:48] <bazhang> reisio, no one's unbanning you. please exit the channel.
[01:48] <reisio> but you don't seem to be capable of that
[01:48] <Jordan_U> reisio: I'm personally more concerned with your demonstrably bad attitude than anything else.
[01:49] <reisio> bazhang: I didn't join this channel, baz
[01:49] <reisio> someone put me here
[01:49] <reisio> Jordan_U: what bad attitude?
[01:49] <bazhang> you can part. I suggest you do so now
[01:49] <reisio> I'd rather be unbanned
[01:49] <bazhang> not going to happen.
[01:49] <reisio> sure it will, it always does
[01:50] <reisio> Jordan_U: I guess it's a bad attitude if you don't want to be banned?
[01:50] <bazhang> it's more than likely that the ban will be lengthened than anything else
[01:50] <reisio> Jordan_U: or are you looking through your logs trying to find some evidence of your baseless claim now?
[01:50] <reisio> bazhang: for what?
[01:51] <bazhang> so better stop digging and part now
[01:51] <reisio> bazhang: for what?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> reisio: Due to your bad attitue which you have demonstrated here, just now. That's the last I'm going to say as this is pointless.
[01:51] <reisio> Jordan_U: so you have no basis for your claim, good to know
[01:52] <reisio> "oh he doesn't want to be banned for saying clamav is an av, that's a bad attitude!"
[01:52] <reisio> :p
[01:52] <reisio> bazhang: that's what I thought
[01:54] <bazhang> reisio, please exit the channel
[01:54] <reisio> I didn't _join_ the channel in the first place
[01:54] <reisio> I was summoned here
[01:54] <reisio> clean up your own messes
[01:55] <elky> Someone go update that from forward to proper ban.
[01:56] <elky> Aw crap, when did it turn 2pm?
[01:56] <knome> elky, three hours ago.
[01:57] <elky> Actually, in 3 minutes time. And i haven't had lunch yet.
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Ban changed.
[01:57] <elky> thanks
[02:30] <twb> I am banned in #ubuntu-server.  I do not know why,   I speculate this is for swearng twice in a month.  I would like the ban lifted.
[02:30] <bazhang> twb, is the swearing going to cease?
[02:30] <twb> Yes.
[02:31] <twb> I only swear by accident in Ubuntu channels and AFAIK it is quiet infrequent.
[02:31] <twb> But IIRC you talked to me last Friday and you didn't have privs to lift the ban in any case
[02:31] <bazhang> check what you have typed before hitting enter
[02:34] <twb> If you want someone to vouch for me, you could ask Spamaps or perhaps cjwatson
[02:34] <bazhang> just dont swear would cure it.
[02:34] <bazhang> we can lift the ban, but if you do it again then it wont be so quick next time
[02:35] <twb> I give up.  I'll leave #ubuntu-* forever and direct my questions and support efforts to #debian-offtopic instead.
[02:35] <IdleOne> that is fine
[02:35] <bazhang> ok
 Is there a replacement for Everything on Ubuntu?
[03:52] <bazhang> * [kantian] (~don@<IP_ADDRESS>): allen
[07:16] <elky> To #debian-offtopic? hahahaha The first part of the #debian-offtopic topic: " Please take support questions to #debian - NO, REALLY"
[07:22] <vibhav> Is macbuntu supported in #ubuntu
[07:23] <vibhav> ?
[07:29] <elky> If you don't know the answer, let others answer. Dr_Willis already did so.
[07:31] <elky> dr_willis answered, mind you, quite a long time before he came and asked that
[07:32] <elky> well, 2 minutes, but plenty enough time for him to see the conversation
[07:33] <Myrtti> my trollsenses tingle in #ubuntu
[07:43] <Myrtti> oh man
[07:45] <Myrtti> please tell me someone else is awake and watching this
[07:58] <Myrtti> @mark
[12:25] <Pici> ikonia: thanks ubottu
[12:26] <ikonia> I suspect his motives where not great
[12:26] <ikonia> Pici: he was trolling #kubuntu too, but not with anything "bad" just ranting about how crap it is
[12:26] <Pici> ikonia: yeah, I was just looking for scrollback as you did that
[12:26] <ikonia> I suspect he'll start in #debian shortly
[12:28] <ikonia> I'm leaving him on mute until he responds to my messages
[12:28] <ikonia> (or joins here to talk to someone)
[12:28] <Pici> sounds good
[12:33] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, punk45rock is on the same ip as that andchat person.
[12:33] <ikonia> nice spot
[12:33] <ikonia> he confirmed he was trying to be a problem in pm, hence changing it to a +b see the eir config for auto remove info
[14:54] <bazhang> windows cloud server console via ubuntu ?
[15:12] <ikonia> ?
[15:12] <bazhang> a question some time ago in #ubuntu
[15:12] <ikonia> I'm guessing an rdp connection would work
 BUT... are you certain that that is not something i have already tried?
[15:52] <bazhang> what is the sound of one hand clapping
[15:53]  * oCean tries
[15:55]  * oCean adds an other skill to his linkedin profile
[15:56]  * h00k balances the lightswitch between on and off
[16:21] <h00k> IdleOne: I think zy was saying rang0 has ikonia on ignore
[16:21] <IdleOne> I don't think so
[16:21] <h00k> IdleOne: but I could be wrong
[16:21] <h00k> It happened before. Just once, though.
[16:22] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:22] <h00k> also, 'rango' not rang0
[20:41] <Myrtti> !gr
[21:37]  * h00k blinks