[09:21] <cjwatson> infinity: I think that's a known cdimage bug, indeed; IIRC the publishing code wipes out all the previous torrent copies in each pass for a given flavour/image-type/series in order to get rid of any previous milestones, but it doesn't work correctly in the event that we need to do more than one pass due to different build numbers on different architectures.  Would be a good thing for somebody to come up with a test case for and try ...
[09:21] <cjwatson> ... to fix, in order to learn that code better.
[09:39] <infinity> cjwatson: Was that a hint? :P
[09:39] <cjwatson> It sure was
[09:39] <infinity> Heh.
[09:40] <infinity> cjwatson: I had a look and sorted out more or less where it's happening, having a think about how to preserve the previous desired behaviour (wiping out milestones) while also doing the right thing for multiple passes will happen when I'm more awake.
[09:41] <infinity> cjwatson: I assume the FS layout makes exactly zero difference on the torrent tracker?
[09:41] <infinity> cjwatson: Cause the simplest solution is probably just to mirror the regular simple/full publishing code, where it's keyed on target directory.
[09:46] <cjwatson> Yeah, it shouldn't care about the exact layout, just make sure it all ends up consistent
[10:16] <psivaa_> cjwatson: infinity: (not hugely urgent but) systemd version in the vivid d-i iso's appear to be different from that in the archive (208-8ubuntu8 vs 215-5ubuntu1).  making the vivid d-i iso installs fail.
[10:18] <cjwatson> In general there should be nothing hugely wrong with version mismatches
[10:19] <cjwatson> I don't think that's quite the issue
[10:19] <cjwatson> Oct 31 06:59:07 in-target: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:19] <cjwatson> Oct 31 06:59:07 in-target:  systemd : Depends: libsystemd-journal0 (= 208-8ubuntu8) but 215-5ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:19] <cjwatson> Oct 31 06:59:07 in-target:  udev : Breaks: systemd (< 215-1) but 208-8ubuntu8 is to be installed
[10:20] <cjwatson> That's not so much complaining about image vs. archive being different, as that something is internally inconsistent
[10:20] <cjwatson> Though of course it may be that a refresh makes it all go away
[10:21]  * cjwatson grabs the image to check; wait a few minutes
[10:22] <psivaa_> cjwatson: ack, yes, my bad interpretation of the failure.
[10:26] <cjwatson> psivaa_: Right, it's not inconsistency between the image and the archive, it's inconsistency between the pool of .debs on the image and the live filesystem on the image that contains the base system
[10:26] <cjwatson> Which implies that perhaps the mirror sync job on nusakan is stuck again
[10:26] <cjwatson> I'll go get a belated breakfast and then poke at that
[10:27] <psivaa_> cjwatson: ack, thank you
[14:40] <cjwatson> psivaa_: There's another build running at the moment, but I've poked the semaphore state so that it should clear itself out after that finishes.
[14:41] <psivaa_> cjwatson: great. thanks for the help


[01:39] <ScottL> TheMuso, my attempt at fixing the gnome-classic xsession has failed, i will talk with didrocks tomorrow about it
[01:39] <paultag> ScottL: roughing out some of the controls work -- this'll be cake
[01:39] <paultag> ScottL: if I put some time into it over the weekend, I can slam it out with time to have a beer
[01:40] <ScottL> paultag, awesome!  i look forward to seeing it
[01:40] <paultag> ScottL: righto!
[01:40]  * paultag goes back to work
[03:03] <paultag> ScottL: ping?
[03:07] <ScottL> paultag, pong
[03:07] <paultag> ScottL: :)
[03:08] <paultag> ScottL: Is there a full list of all the things you want to see on this app? I just hunted a graphic designer for this, so we can do a bit more
[03:08] <paultag> ScottL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SettingsApp/Redux
[03:08] <paultag> ScottL: I've jotted what comes to mind there
[03:10] <ScottL> paultag, this is what we have, it's pretty jumbled but i was cleaning it up:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign
[03:10] <paultag> ScottL: what about wild-fantisy stuff?
[03:10] <ScottL> i was migrating it to there from this one:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning#Ubuntu%20Studio%20Controls
[03:11] <ScottL> paultag, i hadn't really thought that far outside the box to be honest becuase i was worried about getting this much done :P
[03:11] <ScottL> but i thought it might be a good place to do any config stuff for audio
[03:11] <paultag> ScottL: roger. I'll cherry pick from there. doctormo and I work well together ;)
[03:11] <ScottL> maybe we can brainstorm a few more ideas with holstein, ailo__ , astraljava
[03:11] <paultag> _1
[03:11] <paultag> +1 *
[03:14] <paultag> cheers, thanks ScottL. I'll send you updates as they happen
[03:14] <ScottL> paultag, so what is doctormo doing with this?
[03:14] <paultag> ailo__: I'm jacking devel on the settings stuff ;)
[03:15] <paultag> ScottL: He and I will both do GTK. I'll do low(er) level code in python ( settings interfaces, etc ), while he does icons and makes everything cosmetic
[03:16] <paultag> ScottL: it will let me focus on getting it done, while he bitches about how it's unusable ( until it is ;) )
[03:16] <ScottL> paultag, LOL...but aye, he's good with icons and graphics
[03:17] <paultag> ScottL: we're great buddies, he and I are both in Boston
[03:17] <ScottL> having him help is a boon
[03:17] <paultag> ScottL: we go for tea now and again
[03:17] <paultag> ScottL: yeah, for sure
[03:17] <ScottL> paultag, are you in a loco?
[03:17] <paultag> ScottL: Yeah, -us-ohio -- I was contact until two months ago
[03:17] <paultag> ScottL: I'm also on the loco-council ;)
[03:17] <ScottL> i believe he's british, are you british as well, or do you just enjoy tea with a friend :)
[03:18] <paultag> ScottL: he lives in Boston, MA now ;)
[03:18] <paultag> which is where I'm from
[03:18] <paultag> so when I go back home, I meet up with doc-mo
[03:22] <doctormo> hey ScottL
[03:22] <paultag> heyya doctormo :)
[03:22] <doctormo> paultag is trying to explain to me what options are needed for this new setup tool
[03:22] <paultag> ScottL: we were just talking in PM, figured we'd drag you into this
[03:23] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SettingsApp/Redux#preview
[03:23] <doctormo> But the settings as documented appear to be install time settings which should be done there. Not in an extra tool.
[03:24] <paultag> doctormo: iirc one of the issues was a DVD install vs migrating an Ubuntu install via metapackages
[03:25] <paultag> doctormo: you should be able to install ubuntustudo-desktop and get it, and not just have to use the DVD installer
[03:25] <paultag> IIRC, that is
[03:25] <doctormo> Yes, I understand that.
[03:25] <paultag> k
[03:26] <ScottL> hi doctormo
[03:26]  * ScottL was talking with the wife
[03:28] <ScottL> doctormo, many people also start with a vanilla ubuntu install and just install what they want/need from ubuntu studio as paultag pointed out
[03:29] <ScottL> oh, the package name is actually ubuntustudio-controls
[03:30] <ScottL> paultag, doctormo : the extra software bit probably may not be a good thing at this time, many felt that this was a bit dangerous
[03:31] <paultag> ScottL: righto. Let's remove that bit,t hen
[03:31] <paultag> then *
[03:31] <doctormo> ScottL: Are there controls which can/should be toggled? or is this a one way thing?
[03:31] <paultag> doctormo: the rtprio / memlock need to be massaged
[03:31] <paultag> doctormo: usually. but once it's set right, it's OK
[03:32] <doctormo> So that's a set once, never touch again type thing?
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: if it's set right, yes. If it's set wrong ( and it locks up yoru system ) you need to tweek it
[03:33] <doctormo> dangerous then eh, I take it you tweak it with a livecd?
[03:33] <paultag> doctormo: I rawdog it. It's tough to cause any real huge issue
[03:34] <paultag> doctormo: just reisub it
[03:34] <doctormo> language I don't understand!
[03:34] <paultag> (if the rtprio is set too high, it sucks all the cycles )
[03:34] <paultag> doctormo: alt + sysreq + {R, E, I, S, U, B}
[03:34] <paultag> doctormo: that resets your machine nicely
[03:35] <paultag> doctormo: but works even with a total lock ( short of a kernel panic )
[03:37] <paultag> doctormo: regardless, I see this as a userspace app, the more I think about it
[03:38] <doctormo> paultag: Design wise, it's not. Unless you have further data.
[03:38] <paultag> doctormo: how is it not? What if you add a user?
[03:38] <paultag> doctormo: what if you want to switch from rt to lowlatency later on?
[03:38] <doctormo> does rtprio need to be set for each user?
[03:38] <paultag> doctormo: or change the rtprio
[03:38] <paultag> doctormo: it can be, but it does not need to
[03:39] <doctormo> Consider sane defaults with cli tools to control the complexities if required.
[03:39] <paultag> doctormo: again, that won't work for migrating installs
[03:39] <paultag> doctormo: you have to install, set up a user, apt-get install the metapackages, and you can't touch /home in packages
[03:40] <doctormo> Sure it will, you can have post-inst callouts on a package attached to the meta package to do the work.
[03:40] <paultag> doctormo: no, I mean, /home does not exist for packages
[03:40] <paultag> doctormo: if it touches it, it's far out of spec
[03:40] <doctormo> Yes you can touch home in packages... technically speaking the current user.
[03:40] <paultag> doctormo: no, you can't
[03:40] <paultag> doctormo: that's wildly against policy
[03:40] <doctormo> Then there are a whole host of naughty debian packages.
[03:40] <paultag> doctormo: no there are not
[03:41] <doctormo> lol, ground control?
[03:41] <paultag> doctormo: in what case does a package touch /home/user/*
[03:41] <paultag> doctormo: that seriously writes stuff to /home/*/* ?
[03:41] <persia> You can't touch /home in packages, because FHS says /home is OPTIONAL.
[03:41] <paultag> +1 persia
[03:41] <doctormo> The installer restarts nautilus, albeit on the users say so
[03:41] <paultag> doctormo: that's running a command that sends a signal
[03:41] <doctormo> persia: I defer to you,
[03:41] <persia> You can, if you insist, have postinsts that use getent or similar to modify things in user home directories, which is subtly different.
[03:41] <paultag> doctormo: that does not touch /home
[03:42] <paultag> persia: even that should be handled on the application level iirc
[03:42] <persia> paultag, Depends on the package.  For something like ground control, it's better to use the install notify hook to ask the user to restart nautilus (or similar).
[03:42] <persia> Use of wrappers is more common.
[03:43] <paultag> persia: sure, but the app it's self will init the files in ~/
[03:43] <paultag> persia: not the package
[03:43] <doctormo> OK chaps, off to bed, paultag figure out what fields you need and update that wiki and note me. I'll have a crack at a mockup for you.
[03:43] <paultag> doctormo: cheers, thanks
[03:43] <paultag> doctormo: tea when I get back ;)
[03:43] <doctormo> aye aye
[03:43] <ScottL> doctormo, thank you for the help
[03:43] <persia> if [ -f $HOME/.config/myapp ]; then myapp; else; cp /usr/share/myapp/config $HOME/.config/myapp; myapp; endif
[03:44] <doctormo> ScottL: Of course, I still owe you some kind of wacom tool, and if it were possible to configure wacom instead of just creating a xinit script with commands in it, it'd be done ;-)
[03:44] <ScottL> paultag, i'm terribly excited to see what you chaps come up with, and i know the users are excited for improvement as well
[03:44] <paultag> persia: yeah, but that looks like a script that's calling myapp -- and can be run when you run the command
[03:44] <persia> paultag, Depends.  Packages that have dedicated users for some reason may need to do it in postinst.  When dealing with real users, yes, better to use a wrapper (better support for later adding users, etc.)
[03:44] <paultag> ScottL: :)
[03:44] <paultag> persia: aye :)
[03:44] <persia> Yeah, that's a wrapper script :)
[03:44] <paultag> Ahhh, yes
[03:44] <paultag> that's how I do it with fluxbox :)
[03:46] <paultag> thanks for the help persia :)
[04:26] <ScottL> hi troy_s , i talked to quadrispro about that app you mentioned needed packaging and he's interested but just asked me to remind him later as he's busy at the moment
[04:27] <troy_s> ScottL: rexbron is almost there I believe.
[04:29] <ScottL> troy_s, oh, that's cool then
[09:30] <quadrispro> ScottL, we have a big problem with ladish's licensing
[09:31] <quadrispro> persia, could you give me an opinion? http://paste.ubuntu.com/558457/
[11:25] <persia> quadrispro, What is the "Academic Free License version 2.1"?
[11:26] <quadrispro> persia, http://opensource2.usrbinruby.net/licenses/afl-2.1.php
[11:27] <persia> And why do you mention "* This file contains D-Bus methods helpers"?  Are those under separate license?
[11:27] <quadrispro> persia, it is solved, upstream meant to cover some portions of the code by dual-licensing
[11:27] <quadrispro> persia, libdus is dual-licensed, too
[11:28] <persia> OK.  So, here's my summary recommendations:
[11:28]  * quadrispro hasn't noticed it before, really
[11:28] <quadrispro> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dbus/current/copyright
[11:28] <persia> 1) You should identify what files are covered by which licenses
[11:28] <quadrispro> done
[11:28] <persia> 2) You should make clear that dual-licensed code is dual-licensed
[11:29] <persia> 3) You should include the *complete* text of afl-2.1, as it is not in /usr/share/common-licenses/
[11:29] <quadrispro> 2. reported upstream, and he says that it will be clearly stated in the next release
[11:29] <quadrispro> 3. done
[11:30] <persia> For 2) if you have that from upstream, and you know which files are licensed how, you can just report that in debian/copyright, rather than waiting for the next release (unless it's very soon)
[11:34] <quadrispro> I'd prefer to have a public statement which clarifies that. Upstream seems very collaborative, he's going to publish a small note on the website in the next few hours, too
[11:34] <persia> Ah, the small note will be hugely useful, indeed.
[11:35] <quadrispro> though, we need to introduce an important change to jack to make ladish work fine
[11:35] <persia> Indeed, which was a stumbling block for the longest time, and, if I recall correctly, one of the reasons nedko went to work on JACK2 upstream.
[11:37] <quadrispro> AFAIK, first of all jack needs to compile with a sort of no-self-connect option enabled
[11:38] <quadrispro> to avoid conflicts between apps' self-connecting feature and LADISH's session management
[11:41] <persia> Um.  That doesn't sound ideal: there's been a lot of effort to make JACK "Just Work" by enabling self-connect.  Do you think that we can get enough documentation that users won't be annoyed, or set up some sort of initial auto-connect with ladi?
[11:47] <quadrispro> documentation is never enough :) and yes, it would introduce several complications
[11:48] <quadrispro> I need to send Adrian all information I've collected
[13:53] <persia> So, what still depends on the "audio" group?  My understanding is that most stuff has evolved to no longer depend on this, and if we can find out what is outstanding, and clear the rest, that is probably better than making sure users have an easy way to be added to the group.  Part of "Just Works" :)
[14:50] <scott-work> persia:  i thought that the real-time time privileges given when adding the jack package depend on being in the audio group
[14:50] <scott-work> also i thought the new udev rules for firewire depend on the audio group
[14:51] <scott-work> oi, i thought ubuntu.com and launchpad.com were slow...however, kernel.org must be on dialup in the antartic
[14:52] <scott-work> persia: https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration#Permissions_and_ownership_for_.2Fdev.2Ffw.2A shows that it depends on video group but i believe ailo looked into this and found that it was the audiog roup
[14:52] <scott-work> of course i could be mistaken
[14:53] <scott-work> abogani: good morning!  i notice that the kernel blueprint for natty is complete with one notable exception, getting documentation for kernel derivatives/flavour into the repositories
[14:54] <persia> Depends on the udev rules, really.  Should be possible to consolekitify it, I'd think.
[14:54] <scott-work> abogani: hopefully we see something soon and in time for natty
[14:54] <scott-work> persia: i will defer to your knowledge and judgement on that as i know practically nothing about consolekit
[14:54] <persia> May be best to just upload something, really, and fix it later.  Last time I checked with apw, he said that the team had lost a lot of folk, and was having trouble getting all their work done (which is why the doc isn't published yet)
[14:55] <scott-work> persia: upload kernel to the repository?
[14:55] <persia> Sure.
[14:55] <persia> Maybe best to stick with the group for now then.  I suspect it's fixable, but it may be non-trivial, sadly.
[14:56] <scott-work> abogani: ^^^ please note that persia is advocating uploading your -lowlatency kernel into the repository, unless i am misreading
[14:57] <persia> Indeed I am.  Waiting further just gets annoying, although without the document, there may be work to do later to bring it into compliance.
[14:57] <scott-work> but waiting longer also risks not getting the kernel into natty
[14:57] <scott-work> which is bad i should add
[15:04] <persia> Indeed.
[15:12] <ailo> There's now udev rules included for firewire with the standard Ubuntu install in /lib/udev/rules.d/69-ffado.rules which point to Audio group
[15:12] <ailo> 60-ffado.rules*
[15:13] <persia> It should really be richer than that.  Audio interfaces should be granted permissions similar to USB/PCI/etc. audio interfaces.
[15:13] <ailo> But those are only for realtime, what I understand
[15:13] <persia> Storage devices should be given extremely restrictive permissions.
[15:13] <persia> Video devices should be granted permission as needed (I don't have enough knowledge of how video processing works to know if this is restrictive, group video, etc.)
[15:14] <ailo> The firewire device should work without editing, and using no realtime with jackd
[15:14] <ailo> We tested firewire, and this is what we have found, so far
[15:14] <persia> Sure, but with juju+udev, we no longer need have a single policy for all devices: we can have a per-device policy, based on what the hardware actually does.
[15:15] <ailo> There is per device policy in the 60-ffado.rules file
[15:15] <scott-work> ailo: did you specifically test if the user does needs to be in the audio group (i.e. does performance degrade if the user is not in the group?)....i don't current remember if you did or not
[15:15] <ailo> But still, only for realtime, as what I can understand
[15:16] <ailo> After a quick test firewire worked without realtime and no audio group
[15:16] <scott-work> hmmm, interesting
[15:16] <ailo> With realtime and no audio group, jackd would crash
[15:16] <persia> That's a bug, and ought get sorted.
[15:17] <ailo> We only need to be in audio group to get full performance on Natty
[15:17] <ailo> Or, what the drivers and such will allow
[15:17] <persia> But why?  If JACK is crashing, there's a bug in JACK that ought be fixed.
[15:18] <ailo> Haven't confirmed on a another machine. Holstein had a crash when not being in audio group and using realtime
[15:19] <persia> OK.  We need an apport crash report on that bug, and it oughtn't be that hard to fix JACK so it doesn't crash.
[15:20] <ailo> Ok. Let's tell holstein to check it out.
[15:20] <persia> If there's some permissions issue, JACK may have to send some sort of warning, but crashing is always wrong.
[15:20] <paultag> persia: it fails with dignity
[15:20] <paultag> persia: the app stays alive and opens a message box suggesting to change permissions
[15:20] <persia> Ah, that's not a crash then.
[15:20] <paultag> persia: +1
[15:26] <persia> Ah, ugh.  It's a limitation due to limits.conf: the choices are 1) set rtprio for @audio, and put users in the "audio" group, or 2) set rtprio high by default.
[15:27] <AutoStatic> That's it. You don't have to be in the audio group to use JACK in realtime
[15:27] <persia> Only if PAM is configured like that.
[15:27] <AutoStatic> But you do have to be in that group when you want to use FireWire with the JuJu stack
[15:27] <AutoStatic> Yes, only if PAM is set up for the audio group
[15:27] <AutoStatic> rtprio at least, so pam_limits
[15:27] <persia> I don't know enough about PAM, but I suspect there's a way to set rtprio for users logging in at console, and not for remote users or system users, which would seem to better match "Just Works".
[15:28] <AutoStatic> Yes that's possible
[15:28] <persia> Yes, that's how we do it in Ubuntu today, with pam_limits and limits.conf
[15:28] <persia> Do you know how?
[15:28] <AutoStatic> you can set that in the /etc/pam.d directory
[15:29] <persia> Do you know what config needs to be dropped there to make pam_limits set rtprio for the local logins only?
[15:29] <persia> (we'd also want to set memlock, but that's a trivial extension once there is an example for rtprio)
[15:30] <AutoStatic> Just a sec, I know a bit of PAM but I am no guru either ;)
[15:30] <persia> Thanks a lot for looking into this! :)
[15:32] <AutoStatic> grep /etc/pam.d -lr -e "pam_limits"
[15:33] <AutoStatic> That will give you a list of authentication stuff that uses pam_limits
[15:33] <persia> I suspect we want it for gdm/kdm/gdm-autologin at least.  Maybe some others that I'm not seeing immediately.
[15:34] <persia> But looking (for example) at the gdm script, I'm not sure how to set specific pam_limits config there, only in the case where that is the source of session initiation.
[15:36] <AutoStatic> by adding conf=/path/to/limits.conf
[15:36] <AutoStatic> Or /path/to/limits.d/gdm.conf for example
[15:37] <AutoStatic> It will override the default settings
[15:37] <persia> So something like "session required pam_limits.so conf=/etc/security/limits-rtprio.conf" ?
[15:37] <AutoStatic> So if I understand the pam_limits manpage correctly it shouldn't process any other files in /etc/security/limits.d/
[15:37] <AutoStatic> yes
[15:39]  * persia reads the manpage again
[15:39] <persia> The trick is that we *want* it to process the rest of limits.d/ but just add the one special extra config conditionally
[15:39] <AutoStatic> Ah, oh yeah, well, I'm reredinmg it too
[15:40] <AutoStatic> rereading
[15:40] <AutoStatic> "If a config file is explicitly specified with a module option then the files in the above directory are not parsed."
[15:40] <persia> |If /etc/security/limits.conf has some syntax to specifically include /etc/security/limits.d/, I'd be a lot happier, because then it would be easy.  Unfortunately, it's not clear to me how to make it work.
[15:40] <persia> Right.
[15:41] <AutoStatic> And the above directory is /etc/security/limits.d
[15:43] <AutoStatic> Well, I think if you include the common-* files in /etc/pam.d and put "session required pam_limits conf=/etc/security/limits.d/rtprio.conf" later in the file you should get what you're aiming for
[15:44] <AutoStatic> Ah, but you want it to process everything in /etc/security/limits.d :$
[15:45] <AutoStatic> Not sure how to set that up
[15:48] <persia> Forcing conf= seems like it will break stuff for other packages.
[15:48] <persia> What's the risk of setting rtprio=99 for everyone?
[15:50] <AutoStatic> Not sure, I'm not a security expert
[15:50]  * persia goes to ask the experts
[15:51] <AutoStatic> But it could lead to programs trying to take advantage of this, setting their SCHED_FIO/SCHED_RR prio to 99 and stall the PC maybe?
[15:51] <AutoStatic> Or am I talking BS here ;) ?
[15:51] <AutoStatic> SCHED_FIFO
[15:51] <persia> No, but we're making that happen for all our real users anyway: the risk is more about system users.
[15:53] <AutoStatic> PAM does allow you to set optional control values
[15:53] <persia> What does that mean, in practice?
[15:55] <AutoStatic> That the success or failure of a module doesn't really matter
[15:56] <persia> How does that help?
[15:56] <AutoStatic> Unless it is the only module associated with a certain service
[15:57] <AutoStatic> maybe it is possible to set a session required pam_limits
[15:57] <persia> That's the default.
[15:57] <AutoStatic> but also a session optional pam_limits conf=/yadiyadi/ya for gdm
[15:59] <persia> My fear there is that it might not succeed, which would mean that some users might not get the rtprio setting, and it would be hard to troubleshoot for the support team.
[15:59] <AutoStatic> Yeah, I think you're right
[16:00] <persia> Since the current support team is 80% holstein, I'm *really* not tempted to do anything that would increase the workload :)
[16:25] <persia> Seems diwic is already on it: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.jackit/23110
[16:43] <falktx> hey guys
[16:44] <falktx> is it ok for me to build abogani's low-latency kernel for lucid and maverick ?
[16:44] <falktx> quadrispro: ping
[16:49] <scott-work> lol persia , that should be holstein's tag line..."Holstein:  80% of the support team"
[16:49] <quadrispro> falktx, pong
[16:50] <falktx> quadrispro: hey
[16:50] <falktx> quadrispro: laditools is ready now, right?
[16:50] <quadrispro> falktx, ready and uploaded
[16:50] <scott-work> oh, quadrispro and persia, i saw your discussion on the licensing this morning
[16:50] <quadrispro> falktx, but we won't have gladish until piem uploads new flowcanvas
[16:50] <falktx> quadrispro: we dont need the most recent one
[16:51] <falktx> quadrispro: flowcanvas v0.6 works fine
[16:51] <quadrispro> falktx, moving to #lad
[17:08] <quadrispro> falktx, back here :)
[17:09] <quadrispro> falktx, but sources in src are all QT4-based
[17:09] <falktx> k
[17:09] <falktx> and?
[17:10] <quadrispro> ah no, now I understand
[17:10] <falktx> quadrispro: what is the problem about qt?
[17:11] <quadrispro> no particular problems
[17:12] <quadrispro> and I'm noticing that it's just a frontend, so no modules get added
[17:12] <quadrispro> looks good
[17:12] <falktx> quadrispro: check the 'keyboard.py' thing!
[17:13] <quadrispro> however, we should wait to have ladish in the archives first
[17:13] <falktx> quadrispro: yes, of cource
[17:13] <quadrispro> falktx, yes, looking at it right now
[17:13] <falktx> quadrispro: my app is not even beta right now...
[17:14] <quadrispro> falktx, ok, I'll stay tuned ;)
[17:14] <falktx> quadrispro: the keyboard doesnt act by mouse, only by keys
[17:14] <quadrispro> falktx, why not help this poor guy in writing a small bunch of manpages for ladish? :)
[17:15] <quadrispro> hi scott-work persia
[17:15] <falktx> quadrispro: i dont really know how to write manpages...
[17:17] <quadrispro> falktx, it's easy, just a bit tedious :)
[17:17] <falktx> quadrispro: btw, i made a (complete) patch for mumble jack support
[17:18] <quadrispro> falktx, please take a look -> http://goo.gl/Dn9R1
[17:19] <quadrispro> falktx, ah mumble, I remember we had a chat about it
[17:19] <quadrispro> but please get in touch with the Debian VoIP team
[17:20] <falktx> quadrispro: better, I'll send upstream
[17:20] <quadrispro> of course the right way
[17:41] <quadrispro> bye guys
[18:31] <falktx> damn it I hate natty now
[18:32] <falktx> everything fails to build!!
[18:32] <falktx> arrrrg
[18:48] <scott-work> why are they failing to build?
[18:49] <falktx> link error, like composite did
[18:55] <holstein> persia scott-work lol
[18:56] <holstein> i'll read the scroll-back here in a bit
[18:56] <holstein> about that test
[18:56] <holstein> i got some new mics i want to check out for a bit though :)
[19:33] <persia> falktx, After reading http://liw.fi/manpages/, I've suddenly found it really easy to write manpages.  I highly recommend it.
[19:34] <falktx> persia: nice! thanks
[20:41] <scott-work> oooh, a new bookmark :)
[23:53] <ScottL> thanks for the persia for the direction and help today
[23:54] <persia> No problem.  I haven't seen diwic around: I recommend chasing up with him about getting JACK to use rtkit so we don't need the limits.conf hack or the audio group (because it may well fall out of my working set before it happens if I don't catch him soon).


[01:20] <delt> *sigh* where's the output log of the X session again :/
[01:20] <delt> locked myself out of my X....
[01:25] <delt> oh *duh* never mind.... my .ICEauthority was owned by root
[07:08] <newusr> exit
[09:30] <sunstar> studio keeps on doing things that thousands of dollars worth of software fail to do..
[16:14] <delt> Hello
[16:14] <delt> i'm trying to compile a very simple dbus example
[16:14] <delt> i'm pretty sure i'm using all the right compiler flags, but i get a bunch of undefined references
[16:15] <delt> listen.c:(.text+0xb9): undefined reference to `dbus_bus_get'
[16:15] <delt> listen.c:(.text+0xc9): undefined reference to `dbus_error_is_set'
[16:15] <delt> etc etc
[16:15] <holstein> delt: i would try #ubuntu for larger operating system issues like that
[16:15] <delt> ah, good idea thanks
[16:15] <holstein> though, you will eventually just need to go to whomever is providing the code you are compiling..
[16:16] <delt> asked in #dbus, not much help so far....
[16:17] <holstein> sure.. but, its not likely a dbus, or ubuntu issue, or question
[16:17] <holstein> if i made some random code and you downloaded it, ubuntu nor dbus states "run any random code you find, easily, and with all the support and resources of ubuntu/canonnical".. you see?
[16:18] <holstein> at some point, you have to see where the code is coming from, and ask the creators. they may say something like "we didnt intend to support the ubuntu 14.04 kernel version" etc.. something that is not easily resolvable
[16:19] <holstein> with ubuntu, i personally run from the repo, *or*, i'll try and find an isolated .deb, or simple PPA.. even ppa's can break things sometimes.. then, i'll move on to other "out of repo/unsupported" options
[16:19] <holstein> if i need support, i know, at that point, i have to go to the project its self.. and, in many cases with the open software we are likely discussing, the teams can be small
[16:26] <delt> DUH ---> 11:24 < barometz> delt: make sure your -ldbus or whatever the flag is doesn't come before the source files
[16:27] <delt> #c
[18:45] <Bernhard_L> Hello out there!?
[18:46] <Bernhard_L> Have some problems with audacity and jack. Pls help!
[18:46] <holstein> Bernhard_L: personally, i dont use audacity with JACK, and dont suggest it
[18:46] <holstein> !proaudio
[18:47] <holstein> Bernhard_L: i would try and isolate the issues.. see that jack is working,a nd routing well.. and stable.. *then* move onto whatever audacity issues you have
[18:47] <Bernhard_L> Why not. It is could for editing, such as clippings ...
[18:47] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure.. but, you dont need jack to use it
[18:47] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you can use audacity without jack.. and should
[18:47] <Bernhard_L> Producing lots of xruns, all the time.
[18:48] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure.. thats why i say, *stop* audacity, and all other audio applications, and work with the jack config
[18:48] <Bernhard_L> holstein: Yes but then I have to break music production with ardour, rosegarden and hydrogen.
[18:48] <holstein> relax the settings, and get something well known working well, with a higher latency, since, you dont need low latency
[18:48] <Bernhard_L> holstein: My jack config is working good with any other audio apllication.
[18:49] <holstein> you dont need jack or low latency to edit some audio files in audacity
[18:49] <Bernhard_L> holstein: My latnecy is 5.33 ms
[18:49] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure. thats what i found.. that audacity *did* *not* support jack well.. and its not an intention of the project, so, i just stopped
[18:49] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure.. set the latency *more* relaxed.. more like 40+ms
[18:50] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you have no need of 5.33 ms latency to use audacity for editing audio files
[18:50] <Bernhard_L> okay, is there any other app, that could correct an almost good audio file. I didn't find it.
[18:51] <holstein> Bernhard_L: use audacity
[18:51] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you just dont need to use it with jack
[18:51] <holstein> Bernhard_L: stop jack, use audacity.. close audacity, go back to jack
[18:51] <holstein> or, relax the JACK settings a lot and test
[18:51] <Bernhard_L> holstein: Is there any other audio editor working better with jack?
[18:51] <holstein> Bernhard_L: many
[18:52] <Bernhard_L> holstein: Thanx, I will do it.
[18:52] <holstein> Bernhard_L: non, ardour, qtractor.. etc
[18:52] <Bernhard_L> You got my wrong, editing a file on a certain moment. Like audacity can correct it at certain moment.
[18:53] <holstein> Bernhard_L: you want audacity, use it
[18:53] <holstein> Bernhard_L: it doesnt boast, nor intend to faciliate great jack performance
[18:53] <Bernhard_L> holstein: for example, I got a wonderfull audio file from cc mixter. Only a pop at the beginning.  But I am curious.


[14:21] <dodobas> to je iz 2017 ... ima neki updejt ?
[19:46] <jelly> > In 2016, a study based on 28 Greenland sharks determined by radiocarbon dating of crystals within the lens of their eyes, that the oldest of the animals that they sampled had lived for 392±120 years and was consequently born between 1504 and 1744
[19:47] <jelly> step 1) zabraniti oglase na internetu


[16:47] <whit> is there anyway to tell quickstart not to implicitly install juju local?
[16:48] <whit> (or add the stable ppa when it's already there)?
[16:48] <whit> like an env var or a flag?
[16:48] <rick_h_> whit: hmm, it should detect it. If that detection is failing maybe a bug?
[16:48] <rick_h_> oh yea there's a --no-ppa or something I think. /me checks
[16:48] <whit> ah ok cool
[16:50] <rick_h_> well the code http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-quickstart/trunk/view/head:/quickstart/manage.py#L65 looking for the cli flag
[16:53] <rick_h_> whit: ok so --distro-only
[16:54] <rick_h_> will only keep to the disto provided version of juju and not install the ppa
[16:54] <rick_h_> whit: I also think it respects a JUJU var for a custom juju path used for testing. I'm blanking on that atm maybe frankban can point it out faster than I can grep it out
[16:54] <whit> rick_h_, huh.. I've got a docker container with the client + quickstart with stable installed
[16:54] <whit> somehow it's not picking up the check
[16:55] <whit> rick_h_, I can dig around. I only asked here if someone had it on the top of their stack :)
[16:55] <rick_h_> whit: definitely sorry juggling a few calls/ircs atm and slow fording
[16:55] <rick_h_> will get it asap
[16:56] <frankban> whit: --distro-only should avoid installing the PPA
[16:56] <whit> rick_h_, well thanks for taking a look for me...
[16:56] <rick_h_> frankban: right but he's not getting it picking up the juju path at all atm
[16:56] <whit> frankban, I think the check is failing somehow
[16:56] <rick_h_> frankban: isn't there an ENV var for telling it where juju is?
[16:56] <frankban> rick_h_: @JUJU
[16:56] <frankban> $JUJU
[16:57] <frankban> whit: what's the path of juju in your system?
[16:57] <rick_h_> whit: ^ try that out with the path to juju?
[16:57]  * whit checks
[16:58] <whit> $JUJU is not set
[17:01] <frankban> whit: `which juju`?
[17:03] <whit> ultimately installed in /usr/lib/juju-1.21.1/
[17:03] <whit> but linked into /usr/bin
[17:05] <frankban> whit: so you have a /usr/bin/juju correct?
[17:05] <whit> frankban, yup
[17:06] <frankban> whit: `/usr/bin/juju --version`?
[17:06] <whit> frankban, 1.21.1-trusty-amd64
[17:07] <frankban> whit: what's the return code of `/usr/bin/lxc-ls`?
[17:08] <whit> frankban, on a fresh container, lxc-ls doesn't exist
[17:08] <whit> is that what's checked?
[17:08] <frankban> whit: that's why quickstart is trying to install juju-local, yes
[17:09] <whit> frankban, ok
[17:10] <whit> frankban, is there a way to turn that behavior off in the current version?
[17:10] <whit> fake out lxc-ls?
[17:11] <frankban> whit: there's no way, except the hack you mentioned
[17:11] <whit> frankban, is it just testing for existence or a successful run?
[17:11] <frankban> whit: we can work on an override, I am not sure about the use case there
[17:12] <whit> frankban, that's cool, I'll make a ticket explaining
[17:12] <frankban> whit: successful run
[17:12] <frankban> whit: thank you
[17:12] <whit> local provider does not run inside docker atm
[17:12] <whit> may never, though we are going to give it a shot
[17:13] <whit> but currently the client and qs run quite nicely, and having throwaway containers is nice for all sorts of things
[17:13] <whit> teaching, demoing, testing, charm review, etc
[17:15] <frankban> whit: I see
[17:17] <whit> frankban, thanks for your help
[17:17] <frankban> whit: np
[21:59] <huwshimi> Morning


[00:04] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: for some reason I can't clone your pypy git repository, it complains about HEAD referring to a nonexistent ref
[00:05] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: grumble
[00:06] <ajmitch> could be because I'm cloning with git+ssh, I just wanted to try it out & maybe help a bit with it :)
[00:06] <tumbleweed> no, it's a problem with the repo
[00:06] <ajmitch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/780466/
[00:07] <ajmitch> anyway, I'd like to help get it into shape when I can
[00:09] <tumbleweed> ah, no, there isn't a master branch, just debian
[00:09] <tumbleweed> it's fine
[00:09]  * tumbleweed hasn't found a git packaging workflow he likes yet
[00:10] <tumbleweed> this is a pretty boring layout
[00:10] <ajmitch> ok
[00:10]  * ajmitch will probably look at it after christmas
[00:11] <EvilResistance> so... nobody can diagnose whether or not my issue is a bug or an actual issue?
[00:14] <EvilResistance> hm must have been a random glitch.. reuploading it fixed the issue.
[00:14] <EvilResistance> nevermind
[00:42] <nixmaniack> i just created pbuilder base.tgz and now I want to create the cowbuilder base.cow, but i don't want to download the all packages again. Is it possible to tell cowbuilder to use already downloaded packages by pbuilder??
[03:13] <nixmaniack> how do I tell git-buildpackage to use cowbuilder instead of pbuilder?
[07:00] <Resistance> hmm
[07:00] <Resistance> if i wanted to backport debhelper as a build-dep for a package within a PPA, would it break anything if the target system, for build purposes, was using Lucid?
[14:54] <Resistance> is there a backported version of debhelper 8 that could be used to fix the builddeps for a package i'm trying to backport within a PPA?
[14:56] <Resistance> (looking for a Lucid backport)
[15:06] <Resistance> better question then...
[15:06] <Resistance> if i were to within a PPA backport debhelper (>=8.0.0) to Lucid, would I potentially run into any issues?
[15:08] <tumbleweed> best way to find out is to try . In my experience, debhelper is usually pretty easily backportable
[15:40] <Laney> ho ho ho
[15:49] <nigelb> Merry Christmas Laney :)
[15:53] <Laney> :-)
[15:54]  * Laney has now finished wrapping
[16:09]  * iulian too.
[20:44] <Resistance> anyone having issues with launchpad and stuff today?>
[20:44] <Resistance> i'm getting evil horrible lag
[20:46] <Ampelbein> All good here
[20:47] <iulian> Same here.
[20:48] <Resistance> hmm
[20:48] <Resistance> ah there's the issue...
[20:48] <Resistance> backportpackage is being evil and is having some issues downloading files to temp in prep. for backporting...
[20:48] <Resistance> so now i made a tempdir :P
[20:49] <Resistance> and told the thing to use that dir
[20:49] <Resistance> seems to have fixed the files-download problemn
[20:49] <Resistance> now if only the site itself wouldnt lag >.>
[20:49] <Resistance> seems time to reboot my router
[20:49] <Resistance> the monthly reboot time! :P
[21:03] <Resistance> so regarding debhelper... is there any chance that the version from oneiric can be officially backported to older versions of Ubuntu?  or no?
[21:32] <Resistance> does anybody know whether there's a backport of dpkg 1.16 or greater available for lucid?  its a build-dep for a package i'm trying to backport (lucid's version is 1.15.smth)


[01:20] <totem> why I got banned on #ubuntu-women?
[01:20] <bazhang> let me check
[01:21] <totem> bazhang, hi captain, how's work?
[01:27] <bazhang> totem, any reason you need that channel? seems you have been removed from there several times in the last year or so
[01:27] <totem> bazhang, :D harharhar. okay
[01:27] <bazhang> totem, ?
[01:45] <IdleOne> Now he is also banned for ban evasion
 anyone know someone that can ban your ip from the entire freenode irc until you chance you mac and reset in 5 seconds?
[06:17] <bazhang> * [indy3] (~indy3@<IP_ADDRESS>): indy3
[06:39] <Corey> mcloy sounds like it'd be the name of some form of whisky.
[07:57] <mrmist> doesn't go down well, though. bit harsh.
[07:58] <Myrtti> yup, a bit too volatile to my taste
[07:59] <Tm_T> was going to say about being enjoyable but meh /:
[08:00] <Myrtti> I'm trying very hard to find that bit in the experience
[08:13] <jussi> Myrtti: how did the pie go?  did you do it yet?
[08:13] <LjL> i'm starting to get used to be gently nudged up from the bed by the earthquake :|
[08:14] <elky> LjL :(
[08:15] <elky> I tried googling about it last week, but all people seem to care about is the world's parmesan supplies.
[08:16] <LjL> elky: "heh"... i guess it's not huge, but there are some victims again
[08:16] <LjL> my sister is travelling near there, we got a bit scared 'cause her phone wasn't reachable
[08:17] <LjL> but that's just because our phone network is crap and they're all unreachable, she managed to send an SMS and tell us she's ok
[08:18] <LjL> i don't expect to have Japan's advance warnings on quakes, but from that to the phone network failing completely, there's a long way :|
[10:19] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu MrMalak keeps insisting "just run it on Windows" with a user who wants to run a game in WINE
[11:21] <gry> gbqw435 spam in #ubuntu
[11:21] <gry> LjL: ^
[11:22] <gry> idoru got him, scratch that
[11:25] <LjL> sorry, was watching TV trying to understand what happened
[14:29] <Pici> ikonia: I don't see anything interesting in #freenode.
[14:29]  * Pici scratches head
[14:29] <ikonia> me neither
[14:29] <ikonia> I don't know why I've been asked to look ?
[14:30] <Pici> Maybe Sidewinder thinks you were a conspire dev?
[14:31] <ikonia> don't know
[14:32] <ikonia> I don't see anything that I should be looking at / interested in
[14:35] <mneptok> !/me runs past, stark naked, hair on fire
[14:35] <mneptok> sush you
[14:36] <knome> Pici, florida- problem elsewhere too?
[14:36] <Pici> knome: doesn't look like it.  I just happened to tab over to #xubuntu as it started.
[14:36] <knome> Pici, ok
[14:39] <bazhang> so florida = mcloy
[14:40] <bazhang> whoops , plus -
[14:40] <knome> aha
[14:40] <knome> hrr
[14:40] <ikonia> well, matches his ban mask
[14:40] <ikonia> who cares,
[14:45] <knome> Pici, he returned, in case you didn't notice :)
[14:47] <ikonia> it's fine, I've just applied the same ban from the other channels to it
[14:47] <ikonia> that's kept him out
[14:47] <knome> okay, thanks :)
[14:47] <ikonia> about to hit #ubuntu-beginners
[14:48] <ikonia> maybe worth giving staff a prod
[14:56] <Pici> knome: oops.
[14:56] <knome> Pici, woot? :)
[22:34] <curiousx> aloha all :D
[22:34] <curiousx> how long i have to wait for see mah post in ubuntuforums?
[22:35] <curiousx> i did a tutorial about mah conky config and i can't see it and i have to change some images i made a mistake =P -.-
[22:36] <Pici> curiousx: we only manage the IRC channels here. Have you tried asking in #ubuntuforums?
[22:36] <curiousx> nop =P
[22:36] <curiousx> didn't know that Pici -.-
[22:36] <maco> when i was an ubuntuforums op there was usually "up to a week" as the guideline
[22:36] <Pici> Thats your best bet for forum related things :)
[22:36] <maco> that was years ago though
[22:36] <maco> erm, i mean moderator
[22:36] <maco> thats the word on forums, yes
[22:36] <maco> clearly i am out of practice
[22:37] <curiousx> maco: so... aboout a week? =(
[22:38] <curiousx> well... thx so... i'lll wait =(
[22:38] <maco> depends on the person who does the tutorial reviews, but iirc, there's only one person doing that
[22:38] <curiousx> ok
[22:44] <Jordan_U> dem0n in #ubuntu seems to actually have an arm Ubuntu image for a real device they want support for (asking how to resize the image for more space). Do we support Ubuntu on ARM devices in #ubuntu?
[22:46] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: if you can, go ahead. it is after all the same image right?
[22:46] <IdleOne> I mean accept for ARM
[22:46] <IdleOne> except*
[22:48] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: As far as I'm aware we don't supply any read-write ubuntu.img files which you woud want to resize "to make room for more apps". The install isos are all meant to be read only. I'm interested and plan to try to support them since I'm curious, but I wasn't sure whether that should be done in #ubuntu or elsewhere.
[22:49] <Jordan_U> I didn't realize that Ubuntu for ARM was already shipping to consumers.
[22:51] <IdleOne> well, if what he wants to do is remaster the iso then that is different and we don't normally support that.
[22:51] <IdleOne> we usually point to !remaster
[22:52] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: I see no harm in helping him out, but then again it might set a precedent we don't want?
[22:57] <Myrtti> curiousx: was there anything else?
[22:58] <curiousx> nop
[22:58] <IdleOne> it is spelled nope, with an E
[22:59] <curiousx> xD didn't know that -.-
[22:59] <curiousx> i'm from Argentina :D
[22:59] <IdleOne> curiousx: if there is nothing else please part the channel so we can keep track of who has been helped.
[22:59] <curiousx> ok
[22:59] <curiousx> sry
[22:59] <IdleOne> thank you.
[23:00] <curiousx> didn't know that as well
[23:00] <curiousx> np
[23:01] <Jordan_U> Wow, there are multiple Ubuntu installing apps on the Android Market. It's odd to see something I've mostly thought of as theoretical just right there in front of me. I guess this image is loop mounted similar to Wubi, hence wanting to enlarge the image to get more space.
[23:02] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: make an ubuntu enlarging app for android!
[23:02] <IdleOne> 99 cents! you will be a hundredaire in no time
[23:03] <IdleOne> Don't forget your good friend IdleOne for the idea :)


[22:09] <dorgan> Hey guys I am not sure if this is something ubuntu specific but i am using convert_tz in mysql and there are utilities that create the mysql entries from /usr/share/zoneinfo it seams that the PST timezone isnt in there
[22:10] <dorgan> any ideas why?
[22:27] <mhall119> we voted California out of the Union, nobody told you?
[22:31] <nigelb> dorgan: Is there no US/Pacfic?
[22:31] <dorgan> ahh i found it
[22:32] <dorgan> US/Pacific is there
[22:32] <dorgan> but EST is there as well...why is there no PST?
[22:43] <nigelb> Like mhall119 said, you were voted out of the Union :P
[22:44] <nigelb> dorgan: Is there PST8PDT for you?
[22:52] <dorgan> yeah
[22:58] <nigelb> dorgan: there ya go, PST too :)
[22:58] <dorgan> yeah but thats PST8PDT
[22:58] <dorgan> which i am sure is the same time zone but shouldnt there be a PST
[22:59] <nigelb> probably worth filing a tzdata bug upstream
[23:00] <nigelb> dorgan: technically, having EST and PST is wrong</pedantic>
[23:01] <nigelb> Because EST changes to EDT for some parts of the year and so does PST and MST


[00:07] <Stroganoff> shane_ /media/cdrom
[00:08] <Stroganoff> i see what you are up to, shane_
[00:18] <yukonho> Hi - does anyone know where I can look up information on a kernel module?
[00:27] <shane_> Stroganoff: i see what you are up to?
[00:30] <shane_> Stroganoff: it is not there i have 2 cd file's and 2 floppy files but my cd/dvd isnt in any of them its working if i put a cd in and open amarok it will find it but its not listed,what is the terminal comand to see what i have for hardware in my system
[00:32] <shane_> Stroganoff: if you meen by all the changes iv done yah ive used almost all linux in the last few weeks and i thank everyone thats helped me make the transition and ween myself off billys tit
[01:07] <Stroganoff> do you want to rip the audio cd to mp3?
[01:07] <Stroganoff> sudo apt-get install sound-juicer
[01:08] <Stroganoff> don't use VBR ^^
[01:20] <Teslanaut> Can anyone help me?  I'm new to Xubuntu
[02:54] <Gabe_G23> I've tried the ubuntuforum, they told me to run a command, but my resolution was not on the lits.
[02:54] <Gabe_G23> list*
[02:54] <jmhealey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:54] <jmhealey> run through that, and put and X in the box for that resolution
[02:55] <Gabe_G23> 1280 x 768?
[02:55] <jmhealey> yes
[02:55] <jmhealey> do you know how to ctrl-alt-F1?
[02:55] <Gabe_G23> Yes.
[02:55] <Gabe_G23> I've used Ubuntu before. Just not Xubuntu
[02:56] <jmhealey> ok.  ctrl-alt-f1, then sudo /etc/inet.d/gmd stop
[02:56] <Gabe_G23> What will that do?
[02:56] <jmhealey> then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   to reconfigure your X-org server
[02:57] <Gabe_G23> Okay, so from what I can tell
[02:57] <jmhealey> oops, i made a mistake above, the command is /etc/inet.d/gdm stop   !!!
[02:57] <Gabe_G23> sudo /etc/inet.d/gmd stop will stop X-org, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will reconfigure it.
[02:58] <jmhealey> yes, but fix my gmd mistype, service is gdm, not gmd, sorry
[02:58] <Gabe_G23> and not sudo?
[02:58] <jmhealey> you are right, you want to kill gdm  then run the reconfigure
[02:58] <jmhealey> no, you'll have to sudo
[02:59] <jmhealey> xubuntu rocks, by the way, i just switched from gnome
[02:59] <jmhealey> its worth 'fixin'
[02:59] <Gabe_G23> :)
[02:59] <jmhealey> hey, what problem is the res difference causing?
[03:00] <Gabe_G23> I just can't see the screen
[03:00] <Gabe_G23> The top
[03:00] <Gabe_G23> Just a little bit
[03:00] <jmhealey> what if you hit the auto configure on your monitor?
[03:00] <Gabe_G23> ?
[03:01] <jmhealey> every monitor i've seen lately has a setting to 'auto center' the screen
[03:01] <Gabe_G23> This computer is pretty old. :|
[03:01] <jmhealey> ok. is it a CRT?
[03:02] <jmhealey> old stuff is a great match for xubuntu or puppy linux or DSL
[03:02] <jmhealey> thanks to linux, old hardware always has value : )
[03:03] <Gabe_G23> CRT?
[03:05] <jmhealey> cathode ray tube, the old monitor, not a flat panel
[03:06] <Gabe_G23> It's widescreen, it's PRETTY new, but not new enough to have an auto-center.
[03:08] <DIL> hey all
[03:10] <DIL> i have a linksys pcmcia card but no internet connection i dont see an network manger icon anywhere
[03:11]  * DIL this joint is jumpin
[03:11] <jmhealey> do you have a good wired connection?
[03:16] <jmhealey> DIL;  install wicd from sourceforge
[03:16] <jmhealey> wicd works the best for network management, IMO
[03:17] <DIL> no unfortunately it is an old machine trying a rj45 pcmcia card now
[03:17] <jmhealey> you could probably download a .deb and put it on a flash drive or something.
[03:17] <DIL> what would i download? wicd
[03:19] <jmhealey> are you on xubuntu
[03:19] <DIL> this connection is ubuntu
[03:20] <DIL> itried a usb linksys rausbo and system freezes it does not see the other linksys card pcmcia
[03:21] <DIL> so i would need a solution for the bmc4318 drivers
[03:23] <jmhealey> sounds like ndiswrapper
[03:23] <jmhealey> i set that up a few years ago, not since.  are you familiar with it
[03:23] <Gabe_G23> jmhealey: I'm back.
[03:23] <Gabe_G23> jmhealey: When I chose 1280 x 768 it stayed at a black screen.
[03:24] <Gabe_G23> [22:01]	<jmhealey>	every monitor i've seen lately has a setting to 'auto center' the screen
[03:24] <Gabe_G23> Where is this setting?
[03:24] <DIL> yes but hated messing with it after a couple upgardes i had to reconfigure so went out and got a net gear card - i have this old computerr and dont want to throe away a $50.00 card
[03:29] <jmhealey> Gabe_G23: the 'auto center' if it has it is in a different place in the monitor menu for eveyr monitor i've seen, it seems
[03:29] <jmhealey> push some monitor buttons and see what happens
[03:30] <jmhealey> DIL how old it is
[03:31] <DIL> it is a gateway solo 9000 it looks like i have to get my googlefu on
[03:44] <jmhealey> yeah google knows all
[03:45] <jmhealey> DIL, have you tried puppy linux?  I know a guy who swears by it for the oldies hardware
[03:46] <DIL> yea i think it runs on ram
[03:46] <DIL> i think i have a solution though thanks for your assitsance
[03:48] <jmhealey> ok
[03:48] <jmhealey> bye
[06:13] <Demios> anyone available?
[06:13] <crimsun> at quarter past one?  sheesh.
[06:14] <crimsun> ;)
[06:14] <Demios> >_>
[06:14] <Demios> been fiddling with distros all day and i settled on xbu
[06:14] <Demios> i am having a slight problem though
[06:15] <Demios> i'd like to be able to mount my ntfs drives
[06:16] <crimsun> so you really want to be using ntfs3g
[06:16] <crimsun> (packagewise, it's "ntfs-3g")
[06:17] <Demios> i see
[06:17] <Demios> i found it odd that i could mount them on the live cd but no on the install is all.
[06:18] <Demios> thanks
[06:20] <Demios> do i have ton config the drives in anyway to make them mountable? I'd like to not break my xp install
[06:20] <Demios> ton=to
[07:04] <jmhealey_> barroooooop
[07:22] <Volkodav> anybody installed opera 9.5 yet?
[07:38] <jmhealey_> gello all
[07:55] <jmhealey_> is anyone here? i'm crzy
[07:58] <siggjen>   good
[08:10] <jmhealey_> helo
[08:10] <jmhealey_> i heard if it rains, the internet can get wet and it slow packets down, is this true?
[08:11] <jmhealey_> soggy packets?
[08:39] <siggjen> it might be so, i've seen in especially when using wimax
[09:38] <GnuSense> Hardy  xubuntu seems quite nice but there doesn't seem to be any way to browse for samba shares from Thunar, or am I missing something?  What do folks use, Linneighborhood?
[09:40] <Myrtti> GnuSense: I'm old fashioned, I know what I want to use over samba, and mount it sith smbfs.
[09:42] <GnuSense> I can do that, too, I certainly mount my normal server shares with fstab and can figure out how to mount with mount, but sometimes its nice to have a GUI, too.  Is there a xfce equivalent to browsing with SSH like the fish:// stuff in KDE, etc.?
[09:51] <GnuSense> Also, it seems like a couple of hundred MB of open-office stuff are installed in xubuntu, which is odd, considering that OO itself is nowhere to be found.  Will I hose my system if I whack that stuff?
[09:56] <kamsing> hi
[09:57] <kamsing> is it possible to install xubuntu without running the live CD?
[09:57] <GnuSense> You can use the alternate install CD, I believe, even install over a network.
[10:03] <GnuSense> One last  request, I don't see any way to suspend or hibernate, any options with that?
[11:24] <applegate> Why not anyone in this channel?
[11:28] <TheSheep> applegate: Why would?
[11:29] <linux_master> Hello there. Nice to meet you again.
[11:30] <TheSheep> nice to meet you too
[11:31] <linux_master> Do you use any of Xubuntu series? Try that. It's very nice.
[11:33] <TheSheep> I will have to try it one day, thanks
[11:34] <linux_master> Actually, it build to use with laptop.
[11:36] <Saint___0> Anyone use the reg ubuntu?
[11:52] <TuniX12> hello
[11:52] <linux_master> Hello there
[11:53] <TuniX12> linux_master: why do u sugget to to ckeck this channel?
[11:54] <TheSheep> ah, plumber at least!
[11:54] <TheSheep> TuniX12: please check this channel, tehre's a leak in the boiler room
[11:54] <linux_master> because this channel is "clear"
[11:54] <linux_master> there're no such boiler in this channel
[11:54] <TuniX12> ah
[11:55] <linux_master> better check the #kubuntu
[11:57] <TuniX12> ok
[12:59] <clementis> hello, I tried to install all necessery packages for dvdrip. cdrecord. cdrdao and, mkisofs are not included in the official repository of xubuntu. Instead of cdrecord wodim is used in Hardy. Could I use this cdrecord fork instead? Where do I get the other packages? Any alternatives?
[13:01] <David-A> clementis: wodim tries to be compatible with cdrecord. When I converted from cdre.. to wod.. I had to change my scripts in a few places. Not much trouble.
[13:15] <clementis> David-A: So I try to install wodim and hopeit is compatible with cdrecord. Where do I find cdrdao and mkisofs?
[13:23] <clementis> So I try to install wodim and hopeit is compatible with cdrecord. Where do I find cdrdao and mkisofs?
[13:25] <TheSheep> !info cdrdao
[13:28] <David-A> clementis; in xubuntu 7.10 cdrdao and mkisofs seems to be in the repositories. Are they not there in 8.04?
[13:51] <Riotta> anyone here using "getlibs" ?
[13:51] <Riotta> for 64bit systems
[14:57] <Paladine> hey how do I change the number of virtual desktops in xubuntu please?
[14:58] <vinnl> Paladine, Applications->Settings->Workspaces settings
[14:58] <Paladine> what applet does that launch (I am not using the default panel)
[14:59] <vinnl> Paladine, not an applet, just an application to change the number of workspaces
[14:59] <vinnl> Paladine, unless you're using Compiz?
[14:59] <Paladine> yeah can you tell me the name of the binary
[14:59] <Paladine> yes I am in compiz
[14:59] <vinnl> Paladine, ah, then you'll want to edit Compiz' settings
[14:59] <Paladine> and using awn panel
[14:59] <vinnl> Have you installed the Compiz settings manager?
[14:59] <Paladine> yup
[14:59] <vinnl> Let me see what you had to edit then...
[15:00] <Paladine> I got it thanks
[15:00] <vinnl> Ah OK :)
[15:00] <Paladine> under general>desktop size
[15:00] <vinnl> Yep
[15:02] <Paladine> just switch to xubuntu last night after using ubuntu for almost 3 years
[15:02] <Paladine> seems quite nice so far
[15:02] <vinnl> Good :)
[15:19] <Paladine> http://www.paladine.org.uk/images/Screenshot.png  <- much better :)
[15:19] <TheSheep> awn?
[15:20] <TheSheep> didn't it have some trouble with xfwm4?
[15:20] <Paladine> seems to be working ok here, hasn't crashed yet
[15:20] <vinnl> Not if Compiz is running ^.^
[15:20] <Paladine> there is a graphical anamology on the shutdown button when the dock updates (app opens or closes) which causes a white block to flash up but it is bearable
[15:20] <TheSheep> Paladine: it's not about crashing, it's about not being able to swicth between workspaces
[15:21] <Paladine> workspace switching was fine
[15:21] <Paladine> although I just reduced workspaces to 1 since I have 1920x1200 screen
[15:21] <Paladine> but I did test the workspace switcher applet beofre I did that and it worked fine
[15:22] <TheSheep> I mean switching to an app on a different workspace with the icons
[15:22] <TheSheep> nevermind, if it works for you, it's great
[15:22] <Paladine> I never tried that, but I was able to put focus onto the apps I had on this workspace by clicking on them in the switcher
[15:22] <TheSheep> vinnl: btw, awn doesn't require compiz on xubuntu
[15:22] <vinnl> TheSheep, no, just a compositing manager, right?
[15:23] <TheSheep> vinnl: but xfwm4 does compositing, so it's ok
[15:23] <vinnl> TheSheep, but he (or she? Paladine?) mentioned he/she was running Compiz :)
[15:23] <Paladine> he :)
[15:23] <vinnl> So the trouble with xfwm4 wouldn't apply :)
[15:23] <TheSheep> tehre is no gender on irc ;)
[15:23] <TheSheep> vinnl: true
[15:24] <vinnl> Hehe, ok, "it mentioned it was running Compiz" :P
[15:24] <Paladine> its a shame the awn mail applet only supports 1 mailbox
[15:51] <RainCT> Hi
[15:51] <vinnl> Hey
[15:52] <RainCT> can someone tell me what output the following command gives on XFCE?   python -c "import os; print os.environ['DESKTOP_SESSION']"
[15:52] <vinnl> Sure, wait a sec
[15:52] <vinnl> That sort of opens a new terminal window
[15:53] <vinnl> Hmm, and I suppose "default" isn't it either?
[15:54] <TheSheep> RainCT: xfce4
[15:55] <RainCT> thanks
[16:27] <clementis> David-A: I'm back again! No, cdrdao and mkisofs are not in the repository of Hardy!
[16:28] <crimsun> clementis: sure they are
[16:28] <crimsun> clementis: see the cdrdao and genisoimage packages, respectively
[16:29] <David-A> clementis: then I dont know... (Oh crims know...)
[16:35] <jeezze> hey, whats the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[16:35] <clementis> crimsun: you're right! cdrdao is in the repository! But mkisofs and cdrecord arn't!
[16:35] <vinnl> !xfce | jeezze
[16:36] <crimsun> clementis: yes they are, but don't look for those specific package names.  mkisofs is in genisoimage; cdrecord is in wodim.
[16:36] <shane_> anyone in here know how to set up bittorrent all i get is a file that asks me to open metafile
[16:37] <vinnl> shane_, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[16:37] <crimsun> clementis: the functionality is identical despite the differing package names in Ubuntu/Debian.
[16:37] <shane_> hardy 8.04
[16:37] <vinnl> shane_, do you have a .torrent file?
[16:37] <shane_> i dont think so
[16:38] <vinnl> shane_, so what do you want to do with BitTorrent?
[16:38] <clementis> crimsun: thank you! I installed these packages. hope dvdrip works! I'm back later! su
[16:38] <shane_> is it not the pnp app
[16:38] <shane_> p2p
[16:38] <vinnl> shane_, no, BitTorrent is a way of downloading large files, you download a single file which tells your computer how to get the rest
[16:39] <vinnl> shane_, I suppose you used an application to find .torrent files before
[16:39] <vinnl> shane_, which applications did you use previously to use BitTorrent?
[16:39] <shane_> yes i had ktorrent and limewire but im sick of the kiddie porn in lime and ktorrent isnt workin for me now
[16:40] <vinnl> Right, limewire isn't BitTorrent
[16:40] <vinnl> shane_, you're just looking for a p2p app?
[16:40] <shane_> yah a clean one
[16:41] <vinnl> shane_, ehm, there's gtk-gnutella, there's Frostwire which is similar to Limewire
[16:41] <vinnl> shane_, of course, I should add that you should not use it to download stuff you don't own :)
[16:41] <shane_> i tried frostwire and all i get was the icon nothin happened with it and i changed the file from dos and still nothin
[16:42] <vinnl> shane_, how did you install it?
[16:42] <shane_> download from there site
[16:43] <shane_> it was the linux app and i also followed there instructions on how to fix because when they built the files they where on a win system and it was all in dos so i changed that
[16:43] <vinnl> shane_, OK, then I suppose you can try gtk-gnutella
[16:47] <shane_> vinnl: i just put gtk on and it seems to work
[16:47] <vinnl> shane_, cool :)
[17:02] <JDLSpeedy> im trying to install xubuntu on a 500Mhz laptop with 512MB of ram, when i enter on Install Xubuntu it stops at 3% of loading kernel, how can i fix this?
[17:03] <vinnl> JDLSpeedy, perhaps you could give the alternate installer a try
[17:04] <JDLSpeedy> vinnl: i'll try that, thanks
[17:04] <Valsum> yup, I think that with 500 Mhz best option is to install with alternate CD. You won't face any problems running Xubuntu later.
[17:04] <David-A> JDLSpeedy: did you give it a couple of minutes or did it stop for ever?
[17:05] <JDLSpeedy> been at 3% for about 5 minutes now, so my guessing it stopped
[17:07] <David-A> JDLSpeedy: yea, if you are booting from disk. I know when booting from CD or installing there are steps that takes some minutes of seemless inactivity on my 933MHz.
[17:15] <slimjimflim> anybody know if there's a dev packge for qt4.4 for ubuntu gutsy yet?
[17:18] <clementis> HI, my cd device is not auto-detected. If I insert a music cd nothing happens! Musicplayer: audacious
[17:18] <clementis> My fstab entry:
[17:18] <clementis> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660    user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[17:18] <clementis> Same with dvd!
[17:33] <David-A> clementis: when I put in a music cd it starts Totem. My fstab line: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0       0
[17:39] <David-A> clementis: maybe it can be something in the setting menues, which i can not find right now, just a hunch
[17:47] <clementis> David-A: If I insert a data cd/dvd (auto) mounting is no problem. I have no hd* in /dev. I use scd0. If I try to mount a music cd with: sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /media/cd I'll get the following error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0
[17:48] <David-A> clementis: music cd is not iso9660
[17:49] <clementis> Totem says: Location not found
[17:49] <clementis> David-A: which fs has a music cd?
[17:49] <David-A> clementis: my /dev/hdc may be because i have an old computer with (parallel) ata cables.
[17:51] <David-A> clementis: i dont remember, i dont think it is seen as an fs at all. what if you google or wiki cdda?
[17:55] <clementis> David-A: you may be right with the fs, but normally music cd and movie dvd's start automatically. On my last ubuntu 6.06 installation it was like this.
[18:04] <David-A> clementis: yes thats normal. I can not find any obvious setting for it in settings or system>services. sorry.
[18:08] <clementis> David-A: Anyway, thank you!
[19:34] <djouallah> please can u tell me how xubuntu handle proxy connection, i am connected using a proxy, and even when i change the setting for konqueror and xchat to use a direct connection it always default to proxy, i am not complain here, i just want to understand
[19:42] <szemy> hi there:)
[19:42] <szemy> finaly here
[19:43] <szemy> i do have a little problem maybe one can help
[19:44] <szemy> i was triing to set up some users with restricted bash aka rbash, but ended up typing sudo rbash
[19:44] <szemy> so now i cant even log in beacause it says no permission to cd /home
[19:44] <szemy> the /ect/passwd lists me as a bash user
[19:45] <szemy> anyone idea?
[19:50] <szemy> ?
[19:50] <David-A> szemy: ctrl-D ?
[19:50] <szemy> but i cannot log in
[19:50] <szemy> you mean before that
[19:50] <szemy> ?
[19:57] <szemy> someone?
[19:57] <David-A> szemy: are you still in sudo rbash? it is not in a terminal window in a gui desktop but a consol login?
[19:57] <szemy> i tried to restart the computer
[19:57] <szemy> somehow it got stuck in rbash
[19:58] <David-A> did you arrive to a login screen?
[19:59] <szemy> yes
[19:59] <szemy> but it already fails to load some klog or whatever due to permissions...
[20:01] <szemy> ii can start it up in recovery mode or whatever its name is
[20:02] <David-A> or fail safe mode in the session menu in the login screen
[20:02] <szemy> yes that works
[20:02] <szemy> but what next?
[20:03] <David-A> did you change the shell for your normal login? you say /ect/passwd looks ok?
[20:03] <szemy> yes it does
[20:05] <David-A> can you see where the "sudo rbash" you typed ended up? was it in a settings gui or on the command line?
[20:06] <szemy> it was command line
[20:07] <David-A> as an argument to a command line settings command or directly at the command line prompt?
[20:07] <szemy> my desktop suddeny crashed and than i rebooted
[20:07] <szemy> in bash in a x session
[20:08] <szemy> if i understand youre question correctly
[20:09] <David-A> if you just typed sudo rbash at the command prompt it should not have any effect now when that shell process is no more.
[20:09] <szemy> the two pannels on the top and bottom crashed and the icons on my desktop displayed a red X, so i thought i~d  better reboot it
[20:10] <szemy> well that is true
[20:10] <szemy> :)
[20:11] <David-A> maybe you did some other changes about the same time?
[20:11] <szemy> maybe when i set up user permission for the new users i messed up something
[20:12] <David-A> what tools did you use to change permissions?
[20:12] <szemy> i could try give / recursivly everyone permission to r w and execute
[20:12] <szemy> bash
[20:13] <David-A> "/ recursivly" thats sounds heavy. maybe could make things worse. lets backtrack in small steps.
[20:14] <szemy> ok
[20:14] <David-A> what command in bash did you use to change permissions for the new user?
[20:14] <szemy> chmod
[20:14] <David-A> ok. chmod what?
[20:15] <szemy> well...
[20:15] <szemy> chmod -R a  dont remember
[20:16] <szemy> i know i changed my home directory so that everyone except me had no permissions whatsoever
[20:16] <szemy> or at least that was my intention
[20:17] <David-A> could it be chmod -R <some_rights> <some_directory> where some_directory was NOT /home/<new_user> ?
[20:17] <szemy> could be , but i dont think i was that! tired:)
[20:18] <szemy> so what if i removed all the permissions with the
[20:19] <szemy> =
[20:19] <szemy> flag
[20:19] <szemy> from my home directory
[20:19] <David-A> if you used "sudo chmod ..." or "sudo -s" and "chmod", then sudo says it logs the commands. maybe we can find the log and see what you did?
[20:20] <szemy> where are the logs?
[20:20] <David-A> i dont know yet. man sudo says syslog, which would be /var/log/syslog but i dont find my sudo commands in my syslog so i dont know.
[20:23] <szemy> there are only logs from the startup
[20:23] <szemy> i found an example of the problem:
[20:24] <David-A> maybe we can use bash command history. did you perform the chmod as your normal user or as root (via sudo or sudo -s)?
[20:24] <szemy> open /var/run/avahi-daemon//pid : Permission denied
[20:25] <szemy> i think chmod requires root
[20:26] <David-A> chmod can be used by a normal user to change files that the user owns. how did you use chmod?
[20:26] <szemy> sudo chmod
[20:27] <David-A> ok, try "history | grep chmod" (without the "quotes"), then you should see the command.
[20:28] <szemy> well thanks
[20:28] <David-A> what does it say?
[20:28] <szemy> i have to reboot couse i use livecd
[20:28] <David-A> no
[20:29] <szemy> ?
[20:29] <David-A> lets do this instead:
[20:29] <David-A> from a terminal in the live cd you can look at the history on the hard disk.
[20:31] <David-A> the hard disk has a name like /dev/hda2 or /dev/sda3 and may be mounted as /media/hda2 or /disk/sda3 or somthing. can you see anything like that on the desktop or when you issue a "mount" command (without arguments)?
[20:31] <szemy> the command you said returns 13 history ...
[20:32] <szemy> yes yes
[20:32] <szemy> i can access my hd
[20:32] <David-A> so whats it called?
[20:32] <szemy> i looked at the syslog but it only containes startup items
[20:33] <szemy> mnt/hda3
[20:35] <David-A> (if you look at /var/log/syslog it is only events from the live cd session. if the chmod is in a syslog it is on a syslog on the harddisk. also history command in a live cd session has no history from when you chmod-ed when booted on the harddisk.)
[20:35] <David-A> (but we might find them on the harddisk)
[20:36] <David-A> can you do "cd /mnt/hda3/home/<your_name>" ?
[20:36] <szemy> the syslog on the hd has only items from a bootup process
[20:36] <szemy> yes
[20:37] <szemy> in a root shell
[20:37] <David-A> does "grep chmod .bash_history" say anything?
[20:38] <szemy> nope
[20:38] <David-A> shize
[20:40] <David-A> maybe if you were root when you did chmod: do "cd /mnt/hda3/root" and "grep chmod .bash_history" ?
[20:41] <szemy> yes
[20:41] <szemy> man chmod
[20:42] <szemy> chmod -arR /home/szemy
[20:42] <szemy> man chmod
[20:42] <szemy> chmod a + r -R /home/szemy
[20:42] <David-A> interesting
[20:43] <szemy> chmod -R a + r /home/szemy
[20:43] <szemy> chmod -R a+r /home/szemy
[20:43] <szemy> last one:
[20:44] <szemy> chmod -R a=rwxX /home/
[20:45] <szemy> the last ones are already me triing to repaire...
[20:45] <David-A> I am sure hundreds of chatters are peeking at our conversation and laufing. any suggestions?
[20:45] <szemy> :)
[20:45] <szemy> me newbe with root permissions>)
[20:46] <David-A> let me see the man page what capital X is doing...
[20:46] <szemy> something with folders if i remember right
[20:50] <David-A> well, you seem to have given everyone rather liberal permissions to yours and other users files. should not normally cause problems to login. just very exposed to bad users or bad user mode  code.
[20:50] <szemy> that was my last chance to repaire things
[20:51] <szemy> could be group permissions?
[20:52] <David-A> what does the perm look like right now? "cd /mnt/hda3/home/szemy" and "ls -l"
[20:52] <szemy> rwxrwxrwx
[20:53] <David-A> or maybe "ls -al" and paste back a few representative examples
[20:53] <szemy> and for folders + d
[20:54] <David-A> so actually -rwxrwxrwx for normal files
[20:54] <szemy> -rwxrwxrwx    1   1000     1000          5136 May 19 05:42  hazi.pdf
[20:55] <David-A> I assume 1000 is the first non-root user, which should be szemy, then owner seems ok.
[20:56] <szemy> thats right
[20:58] <szemy> in syslog it even says faild to initialize dbus
[20:59] <szemy> i dont no what i did wrong but it seems to me that it was pretty severe
[21:00] <David-A> no, I can not imagine how this cause login problems, but you should restore permissions on your files for safety reasons. we dont know what the perm bits was before, so we may just remove "world" write access for now. ok?
[21:01] <szemy> ok
[21:02] <AkShell> si
[21:02] <AkShell> hi
[21:02] <AkShell> can u give me some advice for a good music player in xubuntu ?
[21:02] <szemy> vlc
[21:02] <szemy> playes everything
[21:05] <David-A> to restore the last command as root after a normal boot: chmod -R o-w /home/  or from the live cd: chmod -R o-w /mnt/hda3/home/  (you may take notes if you want and do later it when you feel steady at hands)
[21:05] <szemy> q
[21:05] <szemy> i
[21:05] <szemy> hu
[21:05] <szemy> hi
[21:05] <szemy> q
[21:06] <Myrtti> szemy: get the cat off the keyboard
[21:06] <szemy> sorry
[21:06] <David-A> AkShell: I use xmms a lot, becaues i am familiar with it, and with winamp. it is not very modern now. especially about international character sets and such.
[21:06] <Myrtti> szemy: was it a cat?
[21:07] <szemy> yes
[21:07] <Myrtti> LOL
[21:07] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:07] <szemy> :)
[21:07] <AkShell> VLC isnt very efficient as a playlist manager...
[21:08] <szemy> do you know where are the permissions for groups
[21:08] <szemy> but it playes everything out of the box
[21:08] <AkShell> i used rhythmbox alot when i was still in ubuntu
[21:09] <szemy> i think ill have to reinstall
[21:09] <szemy> :(
[21:10] <David-A> szemy: your current group permissions may not be what they originaly was, but i dont think the difference matters much, functional-wise or safety-wise.
[21:10] <szemy> not safety but startupwise?
[21:13] <David-A> szemy: normally a program complains if permissions are to low. do you think a program will look at permissions lf they allow to much and complain then? it can do what it want and chould work, right?
[21:14] <szemy> yes but:
[21:14] <szemy> from syslog
[21:14] <szemy> :
[21:15] <szemy> Found user avahi (uid 108) and group avahi (gid 117)
[21:15] <szemy> successfully dropped root privileges
[21:15] <David-A> szemy: if you want to mimic my group permissions on home: (live cd) chmod g-w /mnt/hda3/home (or booted) chmod g-w /home
[21:16] <szemy> open(/var/run/avahi//pid):permission denied
[21:16] <szemy> before me messing up, avahi started fine...
[21:16] <szemy> dont know what it is for, but it did
[21:19] <David-A> are you booted or live cd now?
[21:20] <szemy> live cd
[21:20] <David-A> but "open(/var/run/avahi//pid):permission denied" was when you was booted?
[21:21] <szemy> it is in the syslog and i assume it is after i messed up and tried to reboot
[21:24] <szemy> soory i have to go now
[21:24] <szemy> thank you very much
[21:24] <szemy> bye
[21:24] <David-A> I have a user avahi that runs a process avahi-daemon. there is a file /var/run/avahi-daemon/pid. maybe we can compare permissions even thou the names are not exactly the same?
[23:06] <whileimhere> hi. Each time I start up XFCE it requests a password to my keyring. Is there any way to make it remember this?
[23:31] <PsynoKhi0> good morning/afternoon/evening
[23:36] <PsynoKhi0> anyone got a clue about what's going on here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12824/
[23:43] <aestetix> Question.... I installed 8.04 on a Thinkpad T60. Does it support a resolution above 1024?
[23:44] <aestetix> I tried changing xorg.conf, but xubuntu reset all my changes when I logged back in.
[23:45] <PsynoKhi0> it might be running in failsafe vesa
[23:46] <aestetix> Where would I see that?
[23:46] <aestetix> Also
[23:46] <aestetix> when I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it let me change some stuff with keyboard mapping, but past that didn't even ask about screen resolution.
[23:47] <PsynoKhi0> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:48] <aestetix> What am I looking for?
[23:48] <aestetix> I don't see "failsafe" or "vesa" in it
[23:49] <PsynoKhi0> you're lokking for modules that correspond to your video card
[23:49] <PsynoKhi0> looking*
[23:49] <PsynoKhi0> e.g. in a terminal:
[23:49] <PsynoKhi0> grep module /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:52] <aestetix> well
[23:52] <aestetix> it's loading the module
[23:52] <aestetix> "intel" for my intel video card
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> what resolution is it you're after?
[23:53] <aestetix> 1280 ideally
[23:53] <aestetix> anything above 1024
[23:54] <Chikubu> i have a dialup modem driver that when i dpkg -i it,  it complies the driver from source, the problem is i have 162 updates that need to be applied... if the update fails as dialup does, sometimes the modem driver is REMOVED!, reinstalling the driver fix it or it won't recompile, the error message is similar to can't find the headers.....how can i IDENTIFY which updates would interfere with compiling the modem driver, or not remove the modem driver and down
[23:55] <PsynoKhi0> aestetix on the T60s LCD or external screen?
[23:55] <aestetix> LCD
[23:55] <Chikubu> i think this happens when i try to update the linux kerns or headers, would that break the compiler if it was half way thru an update?
[23:57] <Chikubu> i have to reinstall from cd to get the drivers to work again, should i just not update?
[23:58] <Chikubu> nm think i see now
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> aestetix: what's your maximum resolution on that laptop?