[04:45] <rsalveti> Mirv: robru: slangasek: do we know who disable the import-images job from cron?
[04:53] <robru> rsalveti: i know nothing.
[05:54] <Mirv> rsalveti: same here, I've only seen ogra_ discussing import-images at times
[05:54] <rsalveti> which sucks, as we don't have a new image now
[05:54] <rsalveti> maybe ogra_ can get it fixed in a few
[05:55] <Mirv> handling the images is maybe slightly bottle-neck:ish, ie when there is trouble there are few that can help.
[05:55] <Mirv> in 2-3h, yes
[05:55] <rsalveti> problem is that cronjob gets disabled without a single comment explaining why
[05:55] <rsalveti> so impossible to know the reason
[05:56] <rsalveti> and this happens quite often
[05:56] <Mirv> right, that has happened before
[05:56] <Mirv> it'd really use some small process that includes documentation
[05:56] <rsalveti> yeah
[07:46] <oSoMoN> good morning trainguards, can I please have a silo for line 74 ?
[07:46] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok
[07:48] <oSoMoN> thanks Mirv!
[09:03] <ogra_> mvo, do you know if the image importer was disabled due to snappy images ?
[09:04] <ogra_> err s/images/issues/
[09:05] <ogra_> Mirv, rsalveti, i'm doing a manual run now
[09:06] <ogra_> hmm, runnin it with -v and i get no output ... strange
[09:06] <ogra_> bah ... my crappy keyboard turned that into -vv :(
[09:08] <mvo> ogra_: no, I was not aware of this, what happend? do you have details?
[09:09] <mvo> ogra_: I only see a ftbfs on arm64
[09:09] <ogra_> mvo, not beyond "someone disabled the cron job ... likely on friday"
[09:30] <sil2100> Shouldn't disabling of the importer be annouonced on -release first?
[09:30] <sil2100> Was there no rationale for that?
[09:31] <ogra_> well, we usually announce it on -release ...
[09:31] <ogra_> obviously the person that disabled it didnt announce it though
[09:32] <ogra_> i cant really tell if it is broken, seems the -v switch that usually gives you the log doesnt work anymore
[09:32] <ogra_> i see it moving in top though
[09:33] <sil2100> huh
[09:33] <sil2100> jibel: *pokes*
[09:55] <imgbot> [09:55] <imgbot> [09:55] <Mirv> \o/
[09:55] <ogra_> ha !
[09:56] <sil2100> ogra_: maybe let's re-kick an image then? :)
[09:57] <ogra_> yep, doing
[09:58] <Mirv> QtWebKit removal progresses http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20150321.changes
[09:58] <ogra_> whee !
[09:58] <Mirv> just two updates would be needed (webbrowser-app, ubuntu-html5-theme) and it should drop
[09:59] <ogra_> cool, i'm eager to see what it drags with it
[10:00] <imgbot> [10:19] <ogra_> sil2100, there is a new tzdata package we might want to pull into rtm
[10:24] <sil2100> ogra_: on iiiit!
[10:24] <ogra_> :)
[10:24] <sil2100> (in case we do an OTA3 from RTM)
[10:33] <ogra_> yeah, that was the idea
[11:25] <imgbot> [11:25] <imgbot> [11:25] <sil2100> That seemed fast
[11:25] <sil2100> hm
[11:26] <davmor2> ogra_, sil2100: do my eye deceive me or is there no libc there either
[11:28] <sil2100> Interesting
[11:30] <sil2100> ogra_, davmor2: from what I see in the image manifest, the latest glibc is in there
[11:30] <sil2100> ogra_, davmor2: actually, the previous image had it as well
[11:30] <ogra_> oh, then it landed in 143
[11:31] <ogra_> hmm, not there either
[11:32] <sil2100> ogra_, davmor2: I see it got introduced first in 20150322
[11:32] <sil2100> (from the manifests)
[11:33] <sil2100> I wonder why I don't see it in changes
[11:34] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20150322.changes
[11:34] <ogra_> it is there
[11:35] <ogra_> seems not mapped to an iname number :/
[11:35] <ogra_> *image
[11:36] <sil2100> hm, but I checked consecutive image numbers
[11:36] <sil2100> Has this rootfs not been used in any image?
[11:36] <sil2100> Ah, maybe due to the importer being off?
[11:37] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/mako/index.json has no trace of 20150322
[11:37] <ogra_> yeah, i guess that confused everything
[11:37] <ogra_> so it was in image 143 + 1/2
[11:37] <ogra_> :)
[11:38] <ogra_> 143 is 20150320 ... 144 is 20150323
[11:38] <ogra_> so the importer skipped it ... let me cat the content to 144
[11:39] <ogra_> done
[11:40] <ogra_> oh, wait, 0321 is missing too
[11:41] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/144.changes
[11:41] <ogra_> that is the full changeset for the weekend
[11:47] <davmor2> ogra_: oh so it's listed there then
[11:48] <sil2100> ;)
[11:49] <ogra_> davmor2, now it is ... i had to merge three changeloags
[11:50] <davmor2> ogra_: I see what the issue is, before you were only checking the changelogs now you are looking at the changeloags it is showing up ;)
[12:23] <sil2100> ogra_: can you tell me which changelog files have changed?
[12:25] <ogra_> 20150321 and 20150322
[12:44] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks :)
[12:57]  * sil2100 lunch
[13:10] <popey> sil2100: what's happening with the i-d crash fix?
[13:10] <popey> I see yet another customer with a crashed i-d... https://twitter.com/CGaenzler/status/579067770765086721
[13:54] <pmcgowan> Mirv, three days lots of use with silo 3 and no crashes
[13:57] <popey> pmcgowan: did we get a yay or nay for the indicator-datetime to be fixed in rtm? and thus are we going to have another rtm release to make it worthwhile?
[13:57] <popey> I keep hearing conflicting comments about whether the next OTA will be rtm or vivid based.
[13:57] <popey> hard to know current stats
[13:57] <popey> *state
[13:57] <pmcgowan> popey, the next ota is rtm based
[13:57] <pmcgowan> and the indicator fix is tagged to land
[13:58] <Mirv> pmcgowan: sounds good. I finished with my AP + exploratory testing so I'll put the silo towards QA then
[13:58] <popey> brilliant \o/
[13:58] <pmcgowan> Mirv, my only hesitation is its a complete qt update for the one patch I suppose
[13:58] <popey> pmcgowan: how about the eds fix bfiller landed in vivid?
[13:58] <pmcgowan> and krillin not crashing
[13:58] <pmcgowan> popey, which is that?
[13:58] <popey> (would make calendar 10x better experience)
[13:59] <popey> pmcgowan: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1423185/+merge/252184
[13:59] <Mirv> pmcgowan: qtdeclarative module rebuild, not others. but yes, it's one of the bigger modules. no reason why build result on rtm should differ though from the previous build other than this patch affecting pixmap handling.
[14:01] <pmcgowan> Mirv, ack, my thinking was if it were to occur on krillin it would be REALY bad
[14:01] <pmcgowan> popey, that seems worthy of a fix
[14:06] <popey> pmcgowan: anything I need to do, or just poke bfiller nicely? :)
[14:07] <pmcgowan> popey, I just poked him for his view, depends on frquency, does that happen all the time-ish?
[14:07] <pmcgowan> considering calendar not quite prime time yet
[14:07] <popey> pmcgowan: very easily reproducible, and with that fix it's night and day
[14:07] <Mirv> pmcgowan: it seems it's luck if the crash doesn't happen on krillin so far. I added some details for QA to evaluate it now, including the debdiff (http://paste.ubuntu.com/10660930/)
[14:07] <pmcgowan> Mirv, ack thanks
[14:08] <pmcgowan> popey, then I am ok to land it, just a few lines
[14:08] <popey> thank you
[14:24] <pmcgowan> popey, that indicator fix is in silo 4 a long time, need qa to test
[14:24] <popey> ah, okay. jibel ^^
[14:25] <pmcgowan> popey, oh trello says it passed
[14:26] <pmcgowan> popey, scratch that, that was not rtm
[14:26] <pmcgowan> it needs to get in the queue
[14:27] <popey> yeah it was passed in vivid
[14:38] <rvr> didrocks: If you think that booting fine is enough, I'll sign off your silo right away ;)
[14:39] <didrocks> rvr: it is for this change :)
[14:39] <didrocks> just some binaries changing between packages
[14:39] <didrocks> moving*
[14:40] <rvr> didrocks: Done!
[14:40] <didrocks> rvr: thanks :)
[14:44] <jibel> popey, the card was missing from our board. I added it manually and will find someone to test it asap
[14:45] <popey> thanks jibel !
[14:46] <davmor2> didrocks: jibel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10661235/ and root         1  2.4  0.2   3764  2288 ?        Ss   14:19   0:03 /sbin/init as a confirmation to rvr :)
[14:47] <didrocks> thanks guys :)
[15:30] <balloons> cihelp, I need an app added to core apps jenkins. I'd like jenkins to run on lp:help-app now.
[15:32] <psivaa_> balloons: ack, will handle that and get back to you
[15:34] <balloons> psivaa_, thanks, let me know if you need help. You should be able to clone something like all the clock app jobs for it. I added jenkins bot to the developers of the app, so it should be all ready to go
[15:36] <psivaa_> balloons: ack, thanks
[16:03] <psivaa_> balloons: do you need 'D09add_ppa~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers~daily' hook too for this?
[16:03] <balloons> psivaa_, yes
[16:03] <psivaa_> i'm not sure what that hook does
[16:03] <psivaa_> balloons: ack
[16:03] <balloons> psivaa_, it adds the core apps ppa, which is needed in this case
[16:23] <psivaa_> balloons: I could not see any tests directory, does this have a test-suite name?
[16:26] <balloons> psivaa_, ohh right. It's not going to have the tests/autopilot structure of before. It does have tests, let me find the direcotyr
[16:26] <psivaa_> some are in internals/
[16:26] <balloons> psivaa_, though to be fair, you shouldn't have to care I suppose at first
[16:27] <balloons> they will run as part of the build
[16:27] <psivaa_> balloons: ack
[16:27] <balloons> if we add something to tests/autopilot later it should all just work still right?
[16:28] <psivaa_> i guess that should
[16:28] <balloons> ok, so sounds like we are fine then?
[16:28] <psivaa_> fginther: ^ in this case with no tests dir, what would be the testsuite-name in the cupstream2distro-config?
[16:29] <psivaa_> fginther: 'test_suite:' in the config
[16:29] <psivaa_> balloons: let me confirm
[17:41] <elopio> ping cihelp: do you have an ETA for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-snapshot/+bug/1389729
[17:41] <elopio> or maybe a workaround?
[17:41] <elopio> it's affecting this execution: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/reminders-app-vivid-amd64-ci/151/console
[17:42] <psivaa_> elopio: we all are in a meeting, will come back to you once that's over
[17:42] <elopio> thanks psivaa_.
[17:44] <elopio> mzanetti: ^
[17:45]  * mzanetti reading
[17:45] <mzanetti> ack. thanks elopio
[17:56] <cyphermox> barry: I'll take care of it ^
[18:01] <barry> cyphermox: thanks
[18:08] <cwayne> davmor2, ello, think you'll have time for a custom test this week?
[18:08] <davmor2> cwayne: add it to the spreadsheet
[18:08] <davmor2> cwayne: oh wait for vivid or rtm
[18:09] <cwayne> davmor2, rtm
[19:36] <balloons> psivaa_, so what's the verdict on the help app?
[19:36] <sil2100> cyphermox, barry: I leave the train in your hands now :)
[19:39] <psivaa_> balloons: help-app is now in the core app jenkins. could you check please
[19:40] <balloons> psivaa_, awesome, checking
[19:40] <sil2100> THanks guys o/
[19:49] <balloons> psivaa_, the bot definitely picked things up and ran, and I just triggered a build too
[19:50] <balloons> So build issues, but presumably nothing wrong with jenkins. I'll assume it's all good and work on the build. Thanks!
[19:50] <psivaa_> balloons: ack, thanks
[21:35] <psivaa_> elopio: regarding your ping about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-snapshot/+bug/1389729, we dont have any workaround at the moment, and finding a fixer for the bug is proving difficult. reminders app CI is impacted by this and need to be handled mannually i suppose
[22:59] <rsalveti> robru: next image might be busted
[22:59] <rsalveti> robru: dist-upgrade and my phone fails to boot
[22:59] <robru> rsalveti: oh hey. I'm off this week ;-)
[23:00] <rsalveti> alright :-)
[23:23] <cyphermox> duly noted.


[03:52] <kbmonkey> hallo
[05:12] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:14] <superfly> sup nlsthzn, kbmonkey
[05:14] <nlsthzn> Not much... sitting here all fuzzy watching Japan and Canada duking it out...
[05:15] <kbmonkey> hi nlsthzn and superfly
[05:15] <kbmonkey> tea and cookies :]
[05:15]  * superfly is trying to stay awake
[05:15] <nlsthzn> Hey kbmonkey .... nice article on Linus... I really like some of the ways he looks at things :)
[05:15] <kbmonkey> woke up too early myself
[05:16] <kbmonkey> yes nlsthzn he really sees how software affects the user. its all about who uses it :)
[05:56] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:57] <superfly> hi Kilos
[05:58] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[05:58] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey min dae
[06:02] <kbmonkey> yup. hoe gaan dit daar Kilos ?
[06:02] <Kilos> goed dankie
[06:07] <kbmonkey> that's good
[06:07] <Kilos> really struggling to keep xmpp connections on pidgin for the last few days. dunno if its my pidgin or gmail
[06:08] <kbmonkey> gmailhas been terribly slow recently
[06:08] <kbmonkey> not sure if its gamil itself, or SA's link to international
[06:09] <Kilos> ah yes i see evolution also takes a good while to connect but once connected then its ok
[06:09] <Kilos> just to connect seems to be the prob
[06:11] <kbmonkey> well i have to get going for now, as much as I'd love to stay on the PC ;)
[06:11] <kbmonkey> have to move the bulk of the boxes into storage
[06:11] <Kilos> eish
[06:11] <kbmonkey> and possibly disassemble my pc :(
[06:11] <Kilos> have a good day
[06:12] <kbmonkey> you too, have a good day XD
[06:12] <Kilos> ty
[06:12] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[06:12] <kbmonkey> hou die blink kant bo my vriend!
[06:12] <Kilos> you well?
[06:12] <Kilos> sal so maak dankie. jy ook
[06:13] <kbmonkey> hi and bye maiatoday, catch you all laters :]
[07:55] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:55] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos
[07:55] <Kilos> hiya nuvolari
[08:00] <Kilos> hi |3o|3
[08:01] <|3o|3> hey kilos
[08:01] <|3o|3> http://acidcow.com/pics/1694-autostereogram-100-pics.html
[08:03] <nlsthzn> |3o|3, cool... loved these
[08:05] <|3o|3> yip, they're pretty fun. Haven't seen them in a while, but it turns out its like riding a bike
[08:10] <nlsthzn> Got into the groove quickly myself too :)
[08:10] <|3o|3> lots of these  are dodgy though Oo
[14:39]  * DraZoro greets everyone
[14:44] <Kilos> hi DraZoro
[14:45] <Kilos> been very quiet here
[16:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:09]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:10] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[16:10] <Maaz> Sorry Kilos I only have Romany Creams today
[16:10] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[16:10] <Maaz> Ah!  I have some time to fix that problem with the site
[18:29] <magespawn> ha nice one.
[18:30] <superfly> octoquad: the one with all the events at 1 Jan 1970?
[18:31] <superfly> I remember the last time I tried to get it to work I had to downgrade magpie or whatever RSS reader is it that we use... but I haven't touched it since...
[18:31] <octoquad> do you mind if I have a look?
[18:32] <superfly> octoquad: well, I can't give you access to the server (it's not my server), but if you can figure out what needs to be done, we can see what we can do about fixing it
[18:34] <magespawn> hi superfly
[18:35] <superfly> hi magespawn... plugged your d-link in yet?
[18:35] <magespawn> yup
[18:35] <octoquad> superfly: you said ubuntu-za is using drupal 6, correct?
[18:35] <magespawn> but still cannot get it on the net
[18:35] <superfly> that is correct
[18:39] <magespawn> man this driving me insane
[18:40] <superfly> octoquad: and the gcal events module
[18:41] <octoquad> ok, I had to whitelist my IP for drupal. lol
[18:44] <octoquad> magespawn: what are you battling with/
[18:44] <octoquad> superfly: is the events being pulled from google calendar or internally?
[18:44] <superfly> from GToogle
[18:44] <superfly> *Google
[18:45] <magespawn> octoquad dsl syncs but does not allow the pc on the net internet light is off
[18:45] <octoquad> superfly: ok, do you have access to the account? could you check and see if dates are actually set or check how many events there are?
[18:46] <octoquad> magespawn: is it a bridged connection?
[18:46] <superfly> magespawn: sounds like the account on the d-link is not authenticating
[18:46] <magespawn> i do not think it is but do not see why
[18:47] <octoquad> superfly: could also be DNS issue if the sync light is fully light
[18:47] <octoquad> light = lit
[18:47] <magespawn> if authentication is auto it should choose the correct method right?
[18:48] <magespawn> when i look in the router summary there is no default gateway for the internet/isp
[18:49] <octoquad> magespawn: yeah it should be provided by the ISP.
[18:50] <magespawn> should retrive it automatically but it does not, or at least not on this router
[18:50] <octoquad> magespawn: What are your VCI and VPI values?
[18:51] <superfly> octoquad: the calendar seems fine
[18:51] <octoquad> ok I just checked for any known bugs on the drupal bug tracker, nothing there
[18:52] <magespawn> 8 and 35
[18:52] <octoquad> so, it means there might be an authentication problem, or a script problem.
[18:52] <octoquad> magespawn: ok that's perfect, and multiplexing method?
[18:54] <magespawn> where would i find that?
[18:56] <octoquad> magespawn: it should be on the same page as VPI and VCI values. Look for something like LLC
[18:57] <magespawn> then llcvsna
[18:57] <magespawn> llc/snapbridging
[18:59] <octoquad> magespawn: hmm, I would think it would be llcvsna, what is the model of your router again?
[19:00] <magespawn> d-link dsl-2640u
[19:01] <octoquad> and if you ping <IP_ADDRESS> do you get a response
[19:02] <magespawn> dest. net unreachable
[19:02] <superfly> octoquad: I'm fading here, I think I need to hit the sack... if you find anything, just tell me here in IRC, I'll see it when I get up tomorrow. I'll see if I can find anything from my side.
[19:03] <Kilos> night superfly sleep tight
[19:03] <Kilos> hi guys
[19:03] <octoquad> superfly: no prob
[19:03] <octoquad> superfly: cheers
[19:04] <octoquad> magespawn: have you tried the telkom guest account
[19:05] <magespawn> not do you know what it is?
[19:05] <octoquad> magespawn: I think it is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>| password guest...but let me confirm
[19:06] <magespawn> i am changing a damaged router for one that works
[19:06] <magespawn> the  line has been used for awhile now.
[19:07] <octoquad> sorry the correct username is guest1@telkomadsl and the password guest1. You can only browse the telkomsa.net web site.
[19:08] <magespawn> checking that now
[19:09] <octoquad> magespawn: is the router connected to a server that manages the ppp connection?
[19:10] <magespawn> just a home connection going through an isp
[19:10] <octoquad> usb or ethernet?
[19:10] <magespawn> ethernet
[19:11] <octoquad> ok, I have to ask to get a better picture of your setup :)
[19:11] <magespawn> no worries
[19:13] <magespawn> thanks for the help i am going to call it a night try agakin tomorrow.
[19:13] <octoquad> magespawn: no prob, I know it can be frustrating sometimes, lol.


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[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> something scheduled?
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> didnt see anything on the calender
[14:58] <JoshStrobl> o/
[14:59] <belkinsa> o/
[14:59] <mhall119> hello everyone, we'll be starting momentarily
[15:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> hi zer
[15:00] <bluer> hello, wishing luck before the kick-off
[15:02] <dholbach> yeah, let us know if you have any questions - just ask
[15:02] <dholbach> just prefix the questions with QUESTION:
[15:03] <belkinsa> QUESTION: is how you do it.
[15:03] <hello> When will btrfs be default?
[15:03] <belkinsa> (not a question)
[15:03] <mhall119> use QUESTION
[15:03] <hello> QUESTION: When will btrfs be default?
[15:03] <mhall119> that's the way :)
[15:04] <belkinsa> jose, cool story.  :)
[15:04] <belkinsa> And shirt.
[15:05] <hello> QUESTION: Why is swap placed FURTHEST from data and on the slowest part of disk when doing a default install (it should be the first partition assuming a mostly empty disc)?
[15:05] <popey> hello: in a well configured system you wouldn't use swap much
[15:05] <mhall119> hello: I'm afraid those might be too technical for us to answer here
[15:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey: I had a question specifically for you xD
[15:06] <popey> haha
[15:06] <belkinsa> loco.ubuntu.com to find your LoCo teams
[15:06] <popey> unlucky
[15:06] <mhall119> popey: join us
[15:06] <popey> save it for next week ☻
[15:06] <popey> nope ☻
[15:06] <mhall119> :P
[15:06] <oSmoKinGo> Bonjour
[15:07] <oSmoKinGo> Des français ?
[15:07] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/
[15:07] <dholbach>  → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[15:07] <oSmoKinGo> Des français ?
[15:07] <mhall119> oSmoKinGo: english
[15:07] <oSmoKinGo> Ok
[15:07] <belkinsa> oSmoKinGo, this is a English only channel.
[15:07] <oSmoKinGo> Ok man
[15:08] <dholbach> #ubuntu-fr should be a good place to ask questions in French
[15:09] <popey> !fr
[15:09] <popey> ☻
[15:09] <popey> bah, no bot
[15:13] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[15:13] <bluer> QUESTION kinda irrelevant, you don't have to answer :) but my English teacher in a different context, taught us the word canonical. It means "connected with or allowed by the laws of the Christian church".  Is Canonical a very conservative/ right wing sort of company or is it just a coincidence?
[15:13] <mhall119> bluer: the word had many meanings in English
[15:14] <mhall119> it's usually used as "the authoritative representation of something"
[15:14] <Drew_Neilson> QUESTION sorry I joined late. I am assuming that you guys are accepting questions.  When will Ubuntu-powered phones be available for purchase?
[15:14] <flora> hi
[15:15] <bluer> +mhall119> I see, thanks
[15:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Where do you see Ubuntu Touch in a year to 5 years time?
[15:17] <dholbach> bluer, no, it has nothing to do with being conservative or right wing
[15:17] <popey> oooh, good question
[15:17] <ChloeWolfieGirl> See bet you wish you was in the video chat now popey x3
[15:17] <mhall119> I bet he doesn't
[15:17] <mhall119> :)
[15:18] <bluer> QUESTION is mir certainly coming with 14.10? and any visible benefit for an avarage end user?
[15:18] <belkinsa> QUESTION: When will the latest version of the Reminders app will be out for the desktop users?
[15:20] <Drew_Neilson> QUESTION: is anyone updating the Ubuntu on Air calendar on Google Calendar?  It doesn't appear that anyone is, last time I checked.
[15:23] <flora> QUESTION hi guys, i am a new ubuntu user, i was a windows user befor, so now i have the two os on my laptop. the question is how can i delete windows from my laptop  whithout touching ubuntu
[15:25] <belkinsa> flora, please /join #ubuntu that is our support channel.  I would suggest to backup your data and the Ubuntu part of your computer and than reinstall Ubuntu only on your computer.
[15:25] <mhall119> any questions for jose before he has to leave?
[15:27] <belkinsa> Thanks jose!
[15:27] <j0hn__> just tuned in: can we expect an ubuntu-phone-os release for devices like the nexus4  with the release of the first ubuntuphones?
[15:27] <ph[o]cus> anyone psoke about ubuntu phone?
[15:27] <ph[o]cus> spoke*
[15:28] <flora> thanks belkinsa
[15:28] <belkinsa> Not a problem, I hope what I said made sense.
[15:29] <jose> belkinsa: thanks to you for all your help! :)
[15:29] <jose> if anyone had any questions feel free to reach me privately
[15:29]  * jose wonders off to university
[15:29] <belkinsa> :D
[15:29] <mhall119> thanks jose
[15:31] <belkinsa> mhall119, I have it but I have only seen updates for Music app, and not other apps.
[15:31] <belkinsa> popey, ping,
[15:31] <belkinsa> popey, When will the latest version of the Reminders app will be out for the desktop users?
[15:33] <Drew_Neilson> QUESTION where can I go to see the Ubuntu on Air schedule?
[15:33] <mhall119> http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/
[15:33] <mhall119> usually
[15:33] <belkinsa> http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/
[15:33] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: I've seen someone using a different keyboard on ubuntu touch, is swapable keyboards officially planned for ubuntu touch in the future?
[15:33] <belkinsa> Bah, mhall119 beat me to it
[15:33] <bluer> QUESTİON As today's and future's tech creators, what do you guys think of transhumanism, quantum computers, people wanting to upload their brains to cloud and living through conputors forever etc? I know it is a crazy question, but you just said you like predictions :)
[15:34] <popey> belkinsa: when we fix jenkins ☻
[15:34] <popey> ChloeWolfieGirl: the one from Mike Sheldon that looks like an old school terminal? One day.. not right now.
[15:34] <belkinsa> popey, Okay.
[15:35] <mhall119> http://fossetcon.org/ is the event page
[15:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey: One day? awesome! Thank you! ^^
[15:36] <popey> i hope so ☻
[15:39] <Drew_Neilson> ubuntuonair.com/calendar appears to be empty for this entire month, except for this current event.  Anyone know why?
[15:39]  * mhall119 blames google
[15:39] <belkinsa> Don't feed them.  ;)
[15:39]  * Drew_Neilson is wondering if anyone bothers to update it
[15:40] <belkinsa> Ubuntu talks?
[15:40] <Drew_Neilson> how am I supposed to know when the events are if no one maintains a calendar?
[15:41] <dholbach> do we have questions for Bryan?
[15:41] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: For the phone, when will the phone stuff (phone and messages) be taken of the tablet?
[15:41] <belkinsa> Soical Media, Drew_Neilson.
[15:42] <rael_gc> QUESTION: What level of integration we can expect for Ubuntu phone and desktop? Will I be able to see SMS or attend a mobile call on desktop?
[15:42] <bluer>  Drew, I follow them on G+ I get notifications. Otherwise, I'd forget about them too.
[15:42] <belkinsa> There is a Twitter account too.
[15:42] <Drew_Neilson> belkinsa and bluer can you tell me who to follow to find out when hangouts happen?
[15:43] <Drew_Neilson> Google +, Twitter, Facebook, anything
[15:43] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I need to find Ubuntu/Linux groups in Manchester when I move there...
[15:43] <belkinsa> I don't rember, I don't use any anymore,
[15:43] <belkinsa> https://twitter.com/ubuntuonair
[15:43] <belkinsa> http://youtube.com/UbuntuOnAir
[15:45] <rael_gc> QUESTION: What level of integration we can expect for Ubuntu phone and desktop? Will I be able to see SMS or attend a mobile call on desktop?
[15:45] <belkinsa> rael_gc, please don't repeat your question.
[15:45] <rael_gc> sorry
[15:45] <Drew_Neilson> when is Fosset Con?
[15:46] <belkinsa> Sept 11 to sept something
[15:46] <mhall119> http://fossetcon.org/
[15:47] <j0hn__> QUESTION: will there be a stable release of ubuntu-touch for devices like nexus4/5 with the release of the first ubtuntuphones?
[15:48] <Drew_Neilson> If you're going to be demonstrating Ubuntu Phone devices (actual devices, not just the OS) at Fosset Con, then that will be exciting!
[15:51] <Talky> QUESTION:how will unity 8 be integrated with mulyple monitors
[15:52] <j0hn__> a stable rom
[15:52] <j0hn__> or "finished" rom
[15:52] <j0hn__> :)
[15:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Will some Unity 8 things be backproted to unity 7 such as the new notifications or do we need to wait for Unity 8?
[15:53] <rael_gc> mhall119 I just imagined integration by bluetooth or wifi. But like you guys said, probably will be easy to create that kind of integration once the official phone got released.
[15:53] <j0hn__> awesome thank you :)
[15:56] <mhall119> @fossetcon
[15:56] <mhall119> #fossetcon
[15:56] <j0hn__> i still prefere GNOME ;)
[15:56] <mhall119> help (at) fossetcon.org
[15:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Have you/are you having a good day? <3
[15:57] <bluer> what is <3 ? I see it a lot :)
[15:58] <j0hn__> heart/love
[15:58] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[15:58] <rrodriguez> or ass
[15:58] <rael_gc> if you're romantic, can be a heart
[15:58] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: always a good day when I get to work with the community :)
[15:58] <bluer> uuh , have a good day everyone <3 :)
[15:58] <j0hn__> thank you guys
[15:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Hehe good x3
[15:59] <rael_gc> rrodriguez stop the pr0n
[15:59] <Drew_Neilson> thank you
[15:59] <rael_gc> :P
[16:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> The Live stream for me is 2 minuets behind due to lag so sorry if the questions late xD
[16:01] <j0hn__> will the entire Q&A be on youtube?
[16:01] <j0hn__> i was kinda late... :3
[16:37] <MarkDude> QUESTION: Global Jam ideas- are things organized just locally, - or viq regional groups? Europe, Asia, etc
[16:37] <MarkDude> via
[16:40] <MarkDude> Way cool. I like how this is presented- as well as how Ubuntu has grown the process :)
[16:41]  * MarkDude had complained about HOW this was done years ago-- fells the need to point out how much imporovement has been done here. Rock on :) \o
[16:41] <MarkDude> sp/ fells/ feels
[16:42] <MarkDude> +1
[16:43] <MarkDude> Dont forget BEER. This seems to be key, IMHO :D
[16:47] <MarkDude> QUESTION: am I asking in correct place?
[16:48] <MarkDude> QUESTION; What about regional cooperation- say Southern California- and Northern Mexico
[16:48] <MarkDude> As in two groups doind an event together
[16:53] <MarkDude> MOARS LAW?
[16:57] <MarkDude> Great stuff Jose :)
[19:49] <schmay> ahoy
[19:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> schmay, hola


[13:46] <hallyn> hey ubu-friends - libcap-ng is a bit stale, and missing capng_get_rootid() which is useful for dealing with namespaced filecaps.  The debian maintainer is not responding to my emails.  I have a working candidate package at https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/ubuntu/libcap-ng , if anyone cares to take a look and consider it for jammy at least...
[19:04] <sarnold> heya hallyn :) it might be worth following the "You know someone who seems MIA" bit of https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MIA if the maintainer really appears to be gone :(
[19:19] <hallyn> sarnold: hey - the last person to do an NMU there is actually doing a (forget what it's called) and in 10 days may be picking the package up.  (heard that after i send the msg here this morning)
[19:19] <hallyn> So it's resolving itself, over time
[19:19] <hallyn> phew
[19:21] <sarnold> hallyn: ah nice, glad to hear something is already in progress
[20:18] <hank> The OVAL definition for CVE-2021-33912 has a bogus date
[20:23] <sarnold> heh they have dates?
[20:25] <sarnold> https://termbin.com/aykc
[20:26] <hank> yeah, they do have dates
[20:27] <hank> and "unknown" isn't a valid datetime format that I'm aware of
[20:27] <sarnold> looks like CVE-2021-33913 is the same thing
[20:28] <hank> yeah, looks like they're two flaws in the same revision of the software
[20:32] <hank> looks like it's assigned to a pfsmorigo
[20:34] <jdstrand> hey, I'm curious about the support status of openjdk-8. openjdk-8 technically only received official support in 16.04, which is out of standard support. There have been no updates for ESM in the xenial ESM archive
[20:35] <jdstrand> historically, Ubuntu would copy forward openjdk-8 build to newer Ubuntu releases to universe. If an openjdk-8 update is published to ESM, will that pattern continue? (eg, push to bionic or focal universe)
[20:35] <jdstrand> s/update is published to ESM/update is published to xenial ESM/
[20:41] <sarnold> hank: alright, I've pushed something that I hope will fix up the oval; I'm not sure what the oval schedule is, it's probably a few hours away
[20:42] <sarnold> hank: thanks for letting us know, please holler if you spot anything else, or if it's not better in a bit :)
[20:43] <hank> right on, thanks a lot!
[20:43] <pfsmorigo> hank, hmm, I don't recall why it's assigned to me but I can take a look to see if its feasible
[20:44] <pfsmorigo> jdstrand, I'm honestly don't know how is the process for oepnjdk-8 in xenial but I'll follow-up with the team
[20:45] <jdstrand> pfsmorigo: hey, thanks! :)
[20:46] <pfsmorigo> hello jdstrand, how things are going? :)
[20:47] <jdstrand> pfsmorigo: things are going well. :) how about you?
[20:48] <pfsmorigo> jdstrand, cool, here is good as well


[04:26] <swift110> hey
[05:06] <qubes> I am not sure why i am unable to watch movies using VLC...when trying to watch a movie, it stops after i click on play...any reason why this is happening?
[05:32] <liu> ....
[05:36] <jerry> yrr
[11:07] <pc-lab> hi
[11:07] <pc-lab> all
[11:08] <pc-lab> i'v a problem with a monitor how i can reset display configurayion ?
[13:07] <mate|74653> hi
[13:16] <alkisg> !hi
[13:39] <ricotz> alkisg, hi
[13:40] <ricotz> did you had problems with newer firefox version on e.g. ltsp?
[13:40] <alkisg> Hi ricotz
[13:40] <alkisg> With firefox in general, yes
[13:40] <ricotz> (not sure if you where one of the firefox-esr requesters)
[13:40] <alkisg> 2 problems, reported, 1 solved, with upstream patch
[13:40] <alkisg> No, I'm not...
[13:41] <ricotz> ah I see
[13:41] <alkisg> ricotz: do we have firefox-esr in 16.04?
[13:41] <ricotz> alkisg, what where those 2 problems?
[13:41]  * alkisg checks...
[13:41] <alkisg> flash immediate crash,
[13:41] <alkisg> and flash crash on right click
[13:41] <ricotz> regarding firefox-esr https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:41] <ricotz> right, that was fixes
[13:42] <alkisg> Does it fully replace firefox, or it installs alongsidE?
[13:42] <ricotz> it installs in parallel like firefox-trunk
[13:42] <ricotz> with a separate profile branch
[13:43] <alkisg> Ah, got it; this may cause confuse with link opening from e.g. thunderbird etc
[13:43] <ricotz> alkisg, how so?
[13:44] <ricotz> I am using firefox-trunk, firefox-esr and firefox in here, and firefox is set as default
[13:51] <alkisg> is there a setting for all users, like update-alternetives?
[14:02] <ricotz> alkisg, no they are completely separate
[14:04] <alkisg> So it wouldn't be easy for first graders to go to preferences and set firefox-esr as their default browser, it would be confusion for teachers and sysadmins...
[14:47] <ricotz> alkisg, doing so should work
[15:01] <velkata> hi all
[18:26] <mjregim> i would like to know if anyone could sove mi issu ,, unable to detect orther video to mirror my screen,, i am a newbie so forgive my ignorance
[20:13] <buzyn> привет
[20:13] <buzyn> дисплей qhd
[20:14] <buzyn> как сделать изображение крупнее? (не изменяя разрешения)
[20:16] <Akuli> !ru
[20:21] <buzyn> ввел в терминале, ничего не нашло


[02:57] <iotapi322> Hi All anyone have any webpages other than http://astokes.org/openstack/installer/customize-single-install in terms of configuring the root disk size and memory of some of the nodes for the single installer for the openstack-install?  I've followed the directions on 15.10 and I'm not seeing my VM's being created with the specs I've put in the config.yaml file.
[09:13] <IIT> on my ubuntu server i am getting couple of errors 1. init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process ended, respawning 2. [drm:vmw_driver_load [vmwgfx]] *ERROR* Hardware has no pitchlock 3. systemd-udevd[372]: Failed to apply ACL on /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[09:13] <IIT> how to fix this prob or i should ignore them ?
[09:14] <IIT> i am using a ubuntu vm on qemu/kvm
[09:25] <IIT> will be back in a sec..
[09:34] <IIT> i m back..
[11:24] <tansy> Hi ubuntu experts.. Can anyone let me know how can i prevent symlink from deletion by a program ?
[11:24] <tansy> I have created /dev/disk1 symlink to /dev/sde disk from UDEV rules..
[11:25] <maswan> do not give write access to the uid that the program is running as to the symlink/directory
[11:25] <tansy> but when i run sgdisk to format the disk the /dev/disk1 also gets de;eted
[11:25] <maswan> if as root, you're in trouble
[11:25] <tansy> with root..
[11:26] <tansy> there are already some symlinks /dev/disk/by-id/wwn*  to my disks /dev/sd*
[11:26] <tansy> if i run sgdisk  on these links they dont get deleted.//
[11:27] <tansy> so not able to understand whats happening here.
[11:34] <maswan> sorry, I'm of no help there
[11:40] <shadx> 7quit
[15:12] <LifeLibertyHappi> hey guys, how do i configure ubuntu server 15.10 to allow sound through firefox ssh tunnel
[15:12] <LifeLibertyHappi> i mean to say i have firefox running off the server with X11 forwarding..how do i also allow the sound through
[15:13] <ikonia> LifeLibertyHappi: didn't we talk about this before ?
[15:13] <LifeLibertyHappi> nope not with me
[15:13] <ikonia> isn't this some sort of firewall security thing you're trying to do ?
[15:13] <LifeLibertyHappi> no sir got the wrong guy
[15:14] <ikonia> ok, well you need a sound server,
[15:14] <ikonia> X11 can't do sound
[15:14] <LifeLibertyHappi> i see
[15:14] <LifeLibertyHappi> pulseaudio?
[15:14] <ikonia> so you need a sound server like pulse audio (for example)
[15:14] <ikonia> thats it, you got it
[15:14] <LifeLibertyHappi> okay..i installed pulse audio but dont know what to do from there actually
[15:14] <ikonia> so you need to tell it to forward it's sound over the ssh tunnel
[15:15] <ikonia> and connect to your local sound server
[15:15] <LifeLibertyHappi> oh i see. my client is windows and server ubuntu 15.10..i would need pulse audio client on windows then
[17:29] <rinpoo> Ive just installed iptables-persistent with "sudo apt-get install". But when I try "sudo service iptables-persistent start" I get No such file....
[18:40] <rinpoo> should I set AUTO_IDS_DANGER_LEVEL lower than 5 to block offending IPs?
[21:44] <edfinch> I'm setting up a server. I have an SSD for /, and a RAID 1 HDD for /var /home and /tmp. How do I make all three in the same md0 partition in gparted?


[22:42] <Kossilar> Hello
[22:46] <littlebunnyfufu> Hello and welcome
[22:49] <Kossilar> Thanks!
[22:49] <Kossilar> Hows it going?


[00:47] <nankura> hey guys
[00:48] <nankura> does anyone know how to get alt-tab working?, it works with programs in windowed mode just fine. but when im in a full screen window, i cant alt tab out
[00:58] <jrmy> i actually noticed that myself
[00:59] <jrmy> but i dont know if it was like that before.. perhaps they missed that while coding
[00:59] <nankura> yea
[00:59] <nankura> im new to XFCE , ive started on 4.8, so i have no idea about previous versions
[01:05] <jrmy> its been too long since i used 4.6
[01:11] <nankura> i wonder how compositing was in 4.6
[01:12] <nankura> theres a major issue right now with 4.8 , and not just XFCE, its in KWin, Compiz, Gnome, and some in LXDE, with nvidia and vsync causing screen tearing with compositing
[01:20] <jrmy> the driver for my video card doesnt work it just makes the monitor go into sleep mode
[01:21] <jrmy> but not the same subject just relevant
[01:21] <jrmy> the driver given by ubuntu
[01:21] <jrmy> i'd try and make it work but im sure its more difficult then its worth doing.. and theres no way im writing some code for something or whatever
[01:23] <jrmy> i dont recall if it works before Xorg initiates but uh.. yeah doesnt work
[01:23] <jrmy> so i havent used it.. but sucks i cant use the potential of my 512MB raedon 4350
[01:24] <jrmy> though the card has been faulty before i believe and 'caused my computer to freeze.. so then again i dont know if i want to make the driver work
[01:25] <jrmy> btw how do i see how much memory is allocated for my gpu on my machine?
[03:32] <steven> hello
[03:32] <steven> does anyone know about usb speakers on xubuntu.  It worked good on ubuntu but i just can't seem to get it to work on xubuntu
[03:36] <steven> hello???
[03:50] <Josesordo> :(
[04:24] <jrmy> odd for some reason flash isnt working
[04:24] <jrmy> is there a way i can update my flash plugin or something?
[04:34] <steven> hi
[04:34] <steven> does anyone know about getting my external usb speaker to be recognized
[04:36] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol | steven
[04:37] <steven> hi
[04:37] <steven> i saw you flashing but cant hear u
[04:37] <well_laid_lawn> it's irc - you aren't meant to here me ...
[04:37] <steven> it worked in ubuntu, but not in xubuntu
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> they have the same base
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> so try pavucontrol
[04:38] <steven> where is that
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol | steven
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> in the universe repo
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> !repo
[04:38] <steven> is that something i download?
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> yeppers
[04:39] <steven> is it in software center?
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> should be
[04:39] <steven> brb.. let me look
[04:40] <steven> ok. downloading it right now
[04:41] <steven> i don't see why i need this in xubuntu when ubuntu worked fine
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> different sound stuff interface
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu uses lighter apps
[04:43] <well_laid_lawn> and less resources mostly
[04:43] <steven> ok. let me go back to  you tube and play something. .brb
[04:46] <steven> thanks...i got it
[04:46] <steven> fooled around a bit
[04:46] <steven> but got it
[04:47] <steven> ubuntu is much easier to get it to work. u don't need to download anything extra.. just fool around with the preferences
[04:48] <steven> i think the designers should be aware that usb speakers are taking off.. and they should try and design it easier like ubuntu
[05:03] <well_laid_lawn> steven: then it would just be ubuntu - xubuntu requires a little effort
[05:03] <well_laid_lawn> only a little
[05:04] <steven> hi sorry i was trying this out.. it works good
[05:04] <steven> only thing i miss is my volume control on my keyboard don't work
[05:04] <steven> it shows the volume moving up and down. but nothing happens
[05:05] <steven> no change in volume at least on the keyboard
[05:05] <steven> in ubuntu it was linked to the keyboard automatically
[05:05] <well_laid_lawn> in xubuntu you'll need to set up some keyboard shortcuts yourself
[05:05] <well_laid_lawn> especially to alternate sound devices
[05:06] <steven> oh i c.. cuz this keyboard has a few buttons built in for the sound
[05:06] <steven> pictures of increase sound and decrease sound above the funtion keys..
[05:06] <well_laid_lawn> it is spelt cause
[05:06] <well_laid_lawn> or because
[05:06] <steven> where do i go to set up these short cuts
[05:07] <well_laid_lawn> in the menu under system is lots of stuff you should check
[05:09] <steven> thanks. it is 1:09. .probably tomorrow i will do it
[05:10] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[05:10] <steven> i am using a relatively new computer.. but it is only an atom processor
[05:11] <jrmy> which is better a p3 or an atom?
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> should be fine
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> depends on what you do with it
[05:11] <jrmy> ok which has a higher clock rate?
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> atom processors are limited somewhat
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> pentium 3's come in different clock rates and generally the atoms are 1.6 Ghz
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> but the atoms are like half a cpu
[09:57] <LarsTorben> Hello
[09:57] <LarsTorben> i have a question
[09:57] <LarsTorben> where is xubuntu 10.04.3
[10:18] <ionite> how do i install pulse audio? what's the command to type?
[10:18] <knome> ionite, pulseaudio is installed by default.
[10:18] <knome> ionite, if you have removed it 'sudo apt-get install pulseaudio'
[10:22] <ionite> knome: i'm still having promblems with my audio
[10:46] <ionite> my volume control applet is gone! how can i restore it back? the panel add items doesn't have any selections of it.
[10:49] <TheSheep> it's called 'mixer'
[10:49] <TheSheep> should be there
[12:24] <nankura> hey guys, im trying to install the new nouveau driver , i heard its got minimal 3D support and id love to give it a test run, so i go to the package manager and select the libgl-dri-expiremental and install the xorg nv driver but yet it doesnt show up in jockey. so im confused on what im doing wrong
[14:03] <ionite> how can i detect my mp3 player plugged to USB?
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> Hey folks guess who is now officially an xubuntu user?
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> I thought the GUI would be harder to adjust to from gnome than it actually was..
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> only thing i spent a few seconds trying to find was the keyboard layouts
[14:14] <ionite> ChristopherNG: i am but XFCE not as pretty as gnome but faster
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> Yeah its not as "pretty" to be honest the font is large and abit clumsy
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> ive just changed it to a smaller size
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> also i didnt touch xchat, went straight for irssi
[14:17] <ChristopherNG> everything is fine, but just one thing, i cant find.... a shortcut to the home directory? ah waits its in the dock at the bottom
[14:18] <madnick> Also on the desktop
[14:18] <madnick> And in assecories -> file manager
[14:18] <ChristopherNG> yeah madnick, its good and its fast, just that large driod font had to go....
[14:19] <ChristopherNG> also its strange having terminals go upto the top bar when you minimize
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> sorry folks im like a kid in a candy store
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> hehe
[14:34] <ChristopherNG> ok that screen saver got to go! lol!
[14:35] <ChristopherNG> When i booted up i didnt see the normal lines and lines of code, maybe i missed it or does xubuntu not show it?
[14:36] <ChristopherNG> also for some reason when i did "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" to watch flash videos, it asks me if i really want to install 200mb, the plugin itself is normally only 200 kb!
[14:36] <ChristopherNG> anyone else get that?
[14:37] <ChristopherNG> Its strange because i believe xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repository but it looked like xubuntu wanted to install some extra stuff.
[14:41] <ChristopherNG> ok i cant find a plugin for flash on the 64bit architecture
[14:42] <ChristopherNG> i even tried a .rpm and tried to make it into a .deb using alien
[14:43] <beardygnome> ChristopherNG: I don't think adobe produce a 64bit plugin....
[14:43] <ChristopherNG> anyone here using the 11.04 version of xubuntu with a 64bit processor and iso that has flash working?
[14:43] <ChristopherNG> beardygnome: I wasnt sure either!
[14:44] <ChristopherNG> Oh well i guess im going to have to go back to using a 32bit iso for a 64bit processor...
[14:44] <ChristopherNG> Adobe ****
[14:48] <nankura> on 11.04?
[14:48] <nankura> you should be able to just install 32bit libs with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:48] <nankura> which comes with the libs and flash
[14:48] <ChristopherNG> nankura: let me give it ago
[14:49] <ChristopherNG> omg! 400 mbs! thats more than half the size of the iso
[14:50] <ChristopherNG> i didnt make much space on this install, its a test/dry run before i do it properly, i was abit impatient and wanted to try xubuntu
[14:51] <ChristopherNG> what i should have done was tried it on the 32 bit iso
[14:51] <ChristopherNG> but because i have a 64bit processor thought i would be really controversial and daring and go for the 64bit iso
[14:52] <ChristopherNG> what i really like is that option "open terminal here"
[14:52] <nankura> hm i find that very strange
[14:53] <nankura> i used 64bit Kubuntu ( tho im on 32bit xubuntu right now ) on 64bit kubuntu all i did was download a small ubuntu extra's and everything worked
[14:53] <beardygnome> ChristopherNG: you should try xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:53] <ChristopherNG> whats strange? adobe does not make a flashplugin for 64bit apparently..
[14:53] <nankura> yea
[14:53] <nankura> try the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:53] <ChristopherNG> yeah almost 400mbs
[14:54] <nankura> well they dont need to, with 32bit libs programs are compatable/use-able the way they are
[14:54] <madnick> whats wrong with sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree directly after an install?
[14:54] <madnick> It works fine
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> its cool folks, when i go back to a 32bit iso this will all be fixed
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> madnick: it doesnt work for 64bit isos and processors
[14:54] <madnick> yes it does
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> you sure?
[14:54] <madnick> yes
[14:55] <nankura> yea it does dude
[14:55] <nankura> i can vouch
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> how big was the download?
[14:55] <nankura> ive used 64bit ubuntu/kubuntu/mint
[14:55] <nankura> and usually thats all you need
[14:55] <madnick> I dont remember
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> ok just incase im reading this wrong.....
[14:55] <madnick> not 400mb...
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> kk
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> -------
[14:55] <nankura> yea 400MB is abit weird
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> let me show you something
[14:56] <ChristopherNG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/659937/
[14:57] <ChristopherNG> For some reason its also getting everything else and the kitchen sink
[14:57] <ChristopherNG> 213mbs for a flash plugin?
[14:57] <madnick> on disk yes..
[14:57] <madnick> but only 65MB
[14:57] <madnick> To download
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> Thats still massive
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> for a plugin
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> anyway....
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> you sure that "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" also works with the 64bit?
[14:59] <ChristopherNG> let me try it, to hell with this..
[14:59] <nankura> ..........
[14:59] <knome> ChristopherNG, yes.
[14:59] <nankura> 256MB
[14:59] <nankura> are you sure you installed xubuntu?
[14:59] <knome> !language | ChristopherNG
[14:59] <nankura> or some sort of netinstall image i havnt heard of?
[14:59] <madnick> nankura: i gets libc for i386
[14:59] <knome> apparently the flashplugin needs some 32-bit libs now.
[14:59] <nankura> i have never with any ubuntu install had to download 213MB for a flashplugin with 64 bit
[14:59] <nankura> not once :3
[14:59] <ChristopherNG> nankura: i havent installed im running it on a live usb
[15:00] <nankura> that might be why
[15:00] <nankura> is the usb the full image?
[15:00] <ChristopherNG> yes
[15:00] <nankura> idk
[15:00] <nankura> but i find it so odd the filesizes
[15:00] <ChristopherNG> im downloading the 60mbs
[15:00] <nankura> ive used every ubuntu derive 64bit and never once had to download a file that big for flash
[15:01] <ChristopherNG> ok its done let me try it out
[15:02] <ChristopherNG> yeah it works now, im watching taylor swift
[15:02] <ChristopherNG> but 60mbs is alot for a plugin?
[15:03] <ChristopherNG> must be because of the 64 bit or something
[15:04] <ChristopherNG> call me paranoid but is there any way someone could tamper with an iso and put it up with a key logger or something...
[15:04] <ChristopherNG> even if i downloaded from one of the links from xubuntu itself?
[15:05] <ChristopherNG> i got this iso from place in russia
[15:05] <ChristopherNG> lol
[15:06] <xubuntu534> good afternoon
[15:07] <ChristopherNG> Hey vincentvdbergh
[15:08] <vincentvdbergh> I am installing Xubuntu 11.04 on the 10th computer at my place :P
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> ok folks, im certain that the problem with the large plugins is down to the 64bit iso and processor...
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> the 32 bit plugins are much much smaller
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> vincentvdbergh: are you installing the 64bit or 32bit iso?
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> 64 bit
[15:09] <ChristopherNG> are the flash plugins for the 64bit much larger than the 32bit or should they be the same size?
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> It works like a charme on the first 9 computers i installed it on
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> they should be about the same size
[15:10] <ChristopherNG> well i got 60mb for a flash plugin
[15:10] <vincentvdbergh> last time i checked
[15:10] <ChristopherNG> it should be around 3mbs or something
[15:10] <vincentvdbergh> I usually install flash via the FLASH-AID addon in firefox
[15:11] <ChristopherNG> you mean that thing "install missing plugins?"
[15:11] <vincentvdbergh> no
[15:11] <vincentvdbergh> the flash-aid addon is the fastest way to install flash on ubuntu and its derivatives.
[15:11] <ChristopherNG> yeah ive found it now
[15:12] <vincentvdbergh> only on debian it will not work since you need to be root to run it on debian
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> Flash-Aid has been successfully installed! However, flash plugin installation is not complete yet.
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> You need to execute one of the installation methods from the extension menu, added to the navigation toolbar. Since this is the first time you run Flash-Aid, is recommended that you use the Wizard Mode.
[15:13] <vincentvdbergh> yes
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> and Taylor Swift is back!
[15:15] <vincentvdbergh> good to read
[15:16] <vincentvdbergh> installation almost completed 80% already
[15:16] <vincentvdbergh> I love 8 Gb RAM and a 64 Gb SSD drive
[15:28] <ChristopherNG> this is my first time using xfce, why is this gui not as popular as kde, or gnome? I mean its what im looking for because i personally dont like kde and i didnt want to go to unity so came to xubuntu
[15:35] <ChristopherNG> bbl
[16:19] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.  I want to hide the buttons for shutdown and restart in the xfce4-session-logout.  I see docs on how to enable hibernate and suspend (http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6#session), but how can I hide shutdown and restart?
[16:20] <Pres-Gas> I am not even sure the session manager settings are the way to go for Xubu.  Any advice?
[18:58] <Sysi> Pres-Gas: I guess that happens in a same place as enabling suspend/hibernate but I'm not sure if those options have been removed when moving out of HAL
[19:56] <Pres-Gas> Sysi, I thought so too, but am not seeing a proper property name documented anyware.  Wondering if resorting to "strings" would help or what.
[19:58] <Sysi> why are you willing to remove those options anyway?
[20:05] <Pres-Gas> To prevent accidental shuttiing down.  I can always sudo shutdown, etc.
[20:05] <Pres-Gas> Family computer...
[20:53] <ChristopherNG> hey folks
[20:54] <ChristopherNG> has there ever been a case of someone messing with the xubuntu isos?
[20:55] <pleia2> "messing with"?
[20:55] <pleia2> they're generated with and hosted with all the ubuntu isos, there certainly have been mistakes by developers (just like every project) but never anything malicious
[20:55] <ChristopherNG> yeah im actually using xubuntu now
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> i was worried because i downloaded the iso from a server in russia some russian tampered with the iso and included like a key logger or something.
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> I think im just paranoide, i used the links from the official xubuntu site.
[20:56] <pleia2> you probably want to use approved mirrors
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> yaeh well this mirror was from the xubuntu site
[20:57] <pleia2> and there was a keylogger?
[20:57] <ChristopherNG> no i think im just paranoid
[20:57] <pleia2> oh :)
[20:57] <pleia2> well you can always grab the official md5 from ubuntu.com and compare it against whatever iso you download
[20:57] <pleia2> (you should do that anyway)
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: i noticed when i booted xubuntu up that there is not the customary lines and lines of code you normally get during start up does xubuntu hide it?
[20:58] <pleia2> you should get a xubuntu splash screen
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: you mean get the md5 and do diff between that and the xubuntu iso?
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: yeah it looks like a bios "try xubuntu without installing, install etc..."?
[20:59] <ChristopherNG> language select
[21:00] <pleia2> it's not a diff, you do: md5sum xubuntu-blahversion.iso
[21:00] <pleia2> and then compare that to the number in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/MD5SUMS
[21:00] <pleia2> elizabeth@r2d2:/data/software/ubuntu$ md5sum xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:00] <pleia2> f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f  xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:01] <pleia2> yay that matches: f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:01] <pleia2> in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/MD5SUMS
[21:01] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: that is the best way to check if an iso has been corrupted right?
[21:01] <pleia2> yes
[21:01] <pleia2> you should always do it on isos you download
[21:01] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: thats very handy thanks
[21:01] <pleia2> even if the server isn't tampered with, sometimes there are hiccups in downloads that cause corruption, etc
[21:02] <ChristopherNG> this is just a test boot before i install properly..
[21:02] <ChristopherNG> i was really impatient and wanted to get into xubuntu straight away..
[21:03] <ChristopherNG> i was saying earlier, first thing i did was installed irssi, i didnt touch xchat..
[21:03] <ChristopherNG> also the found was made smaller, it was way too big
[21:04] <ChristopherNG> font*
[21:04] <pleia2> yeah, I have young eyes, all my fonts are crazy small too ;)
[21:04] <ChristopherNG> i actually installed the 64bit iso because i have a 64bit processor, ive found that packages tend to be larger for the  64 bit ie flashplugin was 60mbs..
[21:05] <pleia2> yeah
[21:05] <ChristopherNG> so you noticed that aswell? because i was going crazy, previously i was actually just using a 32bit iso on a 64bit processor..
[21:05] <ChristopherNG> actually my eyes are not young i wear glasses but the size of the font that came as started was for like someone who is blind.
[21:07] <ChristopherNG> also i think ive found everything, the settings manager, synpatic (multiverse and universe) were switched on as standard, all the software from the repositories was available, i couldnt find the home folder from the gui until i noticed its in that nice dock at the bottom.
[21:07] <ChristopherNG> Its very, very similar to GNOME and yes its faster so thats good.
[21:19] <lighta> hey how can I exclude something ? I want to do a recursive search : find ./src/ -print | xargs egrep --color "INVALID_TIMER"
[21:28] <jrmy> ok so any of you know why flash might not be working?
[21:28] <Sysi> you haven't installed flashplugin?
[21:29] <jrmy> have
[21:30] <Sysi> how it isn't working?
[21:30] <jrmy> what?
[21:30] <Sysi> flash
[21:31] <Sysi> sites say you should get flash, red screen on youtube, grey boxes?
[21:31] <jrmy> your sentence structure confused me.. but yeah i dont know why its not working
[21:31] <jrmy> i get black screens
[21:32] <Sysi> check that you don't have gnash or swfdec installed
[21:32] <jrmy> hmm i guess its just that link i tried
[21:32] <Sysi> 64bit?
[21:32] <jrmy> i think i might have both
[21:32] <jrmy> i have 32 bit
[21:33] <jrmy> do i want them uninstalled?
[21:34] <Sysi> yes, open flash-alternatives are messing with adobe plugin
[21:35] <jrmy> ok i think i removed the open flash stuff
[21:36] <jrmy> where would i find swfdec?
[21:36] <jrmy> if it was installed
[21:37] <Sysi> firefox plugin list
[21:39] <jrmy> ok looks like its working now
[21:39] <jrmy> thanks
[21:56] <ChristopherNG> Xfce wont have a "unity" equivalent right?
[21:56] <Sysi> wouldn't really be xfce after that
[21:57] <ChristopherNG> I came to xbuntu specifically to avoid unity and i got bored of the lts version and given the next release from ubuntu wont have the classic gnome option.
[21:57] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: Yeah well thats what i was hoping.
[21:58] <ChristopherNG> im trying to see when the next xfce release is coming out
[21:58] <ChristopherNG> apparently 4.8 been around for 6 months
[22:00] <Sysi> sometime next year afaik
[22:00] <ChristopherNG> some was saying earlier get the ubuntu-restricted-extras, then someone says get the xubuntu-restricted-extras, either should work fine though right?
[22:00] <ChristopherNG> since they are both the same OS with different GUIs
[22:00] <Sysi> I'm not sure what they're containing, but mostly either one works
[22:01] <knome> with xubuntu, you should use the xubuntu-* package
[22:04] <ChristopherNG> yeah
[22:04] <ChristopherNG> i cant get compiz working with xubuntu, anyone else had a problem with compiz?
[22:04] <Sysi> !emerald
[22:05] <Sysi> gtk-window-decorator might work, or there's some fix at the ubuntuforums
[22:05] <ChristopherNG> but compiz for xubuntu just wont work for anyone?
[22:05] <ChristopherNG> hmm kk, its not a biggie
[22:06] <Sysi> otherly, compiz should work when you get window borders to be drawn
[22:06] <ChristopherNG> gtk-window-dec never heard of that thing
[22:07] <ChristopherNG> i wanted to try xubuntu with the compiz cube option
[22:14] <ChristopherNG> dang! pleia2 you still there?
[22:15] <knome> left an hour ago
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> can you give me the command m5cat or whatever its called to check isos...
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> knome: k thanks
[22:15] <knome> md5sum
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> thanks!
[22:15] <jrmy> lol
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: i got this iso from a server in russia just want to double check its not been tampered with lol
[22:17] <jrmy> should remember that theres certain things you can do to test files and programs in linux
[22:17] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: yeah i never had to use it before tbh
[22:17] <jrmy> btw whats the command to check my systems hardware?
[22:17] <knome> jrmy, lshw
[22:17] <jrmy> oh yeah
[22:18] <knome> "LiSt HardWare"
[22:18] <jrmy> yeah, just forgot seeing as its been a year since ive used a linux OS
[22:19] <ChristopherNG> what i really, really, really, hate and dislike and find tricky is compiling from source in .tar.gz file.
[22:19] <knome> mm-hmm, but remembering the "dissembled" format helps remembering the command too :)
[22:19] <ChristopherNG> sometimes you have to because its not in the repositories or whatever.
[22:20] <knome> ChristopherNG, there are also PPA's
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> knome: oh yeah ppas are nice and easy
[22:20] <jrmy> knome: hopefully i can remember this time.. would be about time i start remembering commands
[22:20] <knome> jrmy, mmh, there are some cheatsheets too
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> knome: you think that .tar.gz files are getting less and less popular now?
[22:20] <Sysi> no, just less needed
[22:20] <knome> ChristopherNG, not really.
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> .tar = tape archive file, even the name extension sounds archaic
[22:21] <jrmy> heh
[22:21] <Sysi> tar xzvf app.tar.gz ; cd app/ ; make ; sudo make install
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: its not always that simple
[22:21] <knome> tar xzibit
[22:21] <Sysi> ChristopherNG: those cases really suck
[22:21] <Sysi> symlinking and stuff
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: yeah and you have to read a manual to get something installed..
[22:22] <knome> ChristopherNG, if it's not on the repo and not on any PPA, it's probably something you need a manual for anyway :P :P
[22:22] <ChristopherNG> knome: yeah thats true lol
[22:22] <Sysi> or there's at least alternative more easily accessible
[22:23] <ChristopherNG> I was wanting to get teamspeak 3 but only ts 2 is in the repositories, now when you go to get it for linux from the teamspeak site its a .run file, which i think is some kind of binary installer..
[22:23] <knome> ChristopherNG, yup, sounds like it.
[22:23] <Sysi> or just a script or self-extracting tarball/zip
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> .tar.gz, .rpm, .deb, .run, .dz2 etc etc
[22:24] <knome> something self-explosive anyway :P
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> alot of file extensions out there
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> for installation
[22:24] <Sysi> teamspeak is not OSS, you's like mumble
[22:24] <jrmy> i dont know how to properly install things from tar or any of the others
[22:25] <knome> it's important to remember that, even if it's in most cases true, the file extension doesn't always tell what the file actually is
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: thankfully ubuntu has almost everything in the repositories and the .tar.gz cases are rare.
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> dependency hell!
[22:25] <knome> mostly
[22:26] <Sysi> knome: you don't dare to run that .txt huh? definitely you don't dare to try running it as root
[22:26] <knome> :P
[22:26] <ChristopherNG> yeah thats one thing that worries me, anyone can get like a keylogger and use the mv keylogger textfile.txt and a newer user probably wont know...
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ok well my next project is getting better at the command line for networking.
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ive been avoiding that like the plague
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ifconfig, wlan0, mon0 et al
[22:29] <knome> if it ain't broken, don't fix it
[22:30] <Sysi> networking stuff is hard.. (IMHO)
[22:30] <ChristopherNG> its hard as it, on the command line will be harder i guess.
[22:32] <Sysi> it really gets hard after "sudo dhclient && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[22:34] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: yeah tell me about it.
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> hey folks, how hard is it to setup a virtual box within xubuntu?
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> ive not actually done that, i was going try and do a vm for xubuntu in ubuntu but went for a usb boot instead.
[23:03] <ChristopherNG> not used virtual box before
[23:04] <ChristopherNG> oh nice it come ins a .deb
[23:05] <Sysi> in repositories too
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> yeah the only thing that is kind of preventing me from doing it atm is the file space needed..
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> i will need to wait until tomorrow when i can do everything properly.
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> i was just impatient and wanted to start playing around with xubuntu today and didnt bother with partitions etc
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> Hard disk space. While VirtualBox itself is very lean (a typical installation will only need about 30 MB of hard disk space), the virtual machines will require fairly huge files on disk to represent their own hard disk storage. So, to install Windows XP, for example, you will need a file that will easily grow to several GB in size.
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> Will have to wait until tomorrow
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> im still like a kid in a candy store looking around xfce
[23:24] <ChristopherNG> anyone know if linux has an eqivalent of "net send"?
[23:30] <ChristopherNG> ok folks good night
[23:43] <jrmy> if i have a 64 bit cpu does that mean i can have a 64bit OS?
[23:43] <knome> yes
[23:43] <jrmy> any difference with xubuntu if i have 64bit?
[23:44] <knome> where possible, the OS will use the 64-bit advancements over 32-bit stuff
[23:44] <jrmy> so then perhaps faster in some areas?
[23:44] <knome> yes
[23:45] <TheSheep> and slower in others
[23:45] <jrmy> is there a way to upgrade to 64 bit if i have 32bit right now?
[23:46] <knome> no
[23:46] <knome> only a clean install will do
[23:46] <jrmy> k