[04:07] <ianmcorvidae> 4h?
[04:07] <ianmcorvidae> <ignore, sorry>
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[09:46] <YoBoY> bonjour
[11:30] <locodir-user> hey friends
[11:30] <locodir-user> boston here
[11:31] <locodir-user> or should he say mason
[11:31] <locodir-user> as in stone
[11:32] <locodir-user> any anons ?
[11:33] <czajkowski> locodir-user: hi
[11:34] <locodir-user> hi
[11:35] <czajkowski> locodir-user: so where are you based?
[11:35] <locodir-user>  boston ...u/
[11:35] <czajkowski> London
[11:36] <locodir-user> agh what do you think about the crown
[11:36] <locodir-user> and all there money?
[11:36] <czajkowski> dont really give it a thought to be honest.
[11:37] <locodir-user> and why not dont you see there trying to BUY the world and all its inhabitants
[11:38] <czajkowski> locodir-user: possibly not the best topic for in here to be honest
[11:39] <locodir-user> w why not????
[11:40] <locodir-user> oh yeah micheal savage was banned from uk.. right
[11:40] <czajkowski> it's not really appropiate given we have people from all over the world
[11:40] <locodir-user> so do we
[11:44] <locodir-user_> im back
[11:44] <locodir-user_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ
[11:45] <locodir-user_> nice song huh
[11:46]  * locodir-user_ is drunk
[11:46] <locodir-user_> I play bridge all over the world
[11:48] <nigelb> o_O
[11:48] <locodir-user_> hi
[11:49] <locodir-user_> im in boston where r u?
[11:51] <locodir-user_> gotta go corner store smokes brb
[11:53] <locodir-user_> theres a cheap prick across the hall closet fag im sure
[12:01] <locodir-user_> $9.00 pack of smokes hoy motha of fuckin heaven.
[12:01] <locodir-user_> what time is it in London
[12:03] <Tm_T> locodir-user_: language, please
[12:04] <locodir-user_> internet eticut protocol in london htf did you ping me/
[12:05] <locodir-user_> jay carney on morning joe
[12:05] <locodir-user_> he is wh press secratary
[12:06] <locodir-user_> methinks irc very cool
[12:12] <locodir-user_> shhh.
[12:14] <paultag> locodir-user_: I'm in boston too
[12:14] <paultag> and as you know, it's 7, so I'm leaving for work
[12:14] <locodir-user_> Barac Obama makes speech at high school ..liken it to one of teddy's
[12:14] <locodir-user_> have a good day friend
[12:15] <paultag> locodir-user_: where in Boston are you?
[12:15] <locodir-user_> actually marshfield
[12:15] <paultag> Ah
[12:15] <locodir-user_> u?
[12:15] <locodir-user_> back bay
[12:15] <paultag> locodir-user_: been moving a lot, but it's been charlestown
[12:15] <paultag> alright, brb
[12:18] <locodir-user_> what r u doing in uk chatroom?
[12:19] <locodir-user_> I got a wicked headache any of yous got an aspirin?
[12:19] <czajkowski> locodir-user_: it's not a UK chat room, it's #ubuntu-locoteams, a place for teams all over the world to join.
[12:19] <locodir-user_> oh
[12:19] <locodir-user_> what teams/
[12:20] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[12:20] <locodir-user_> ty
[12:20] <locodir-user_> oh soccer
[12:20] <czajkowski> locodir-user_: how did you find this channel ?
[12:21] <locodir-user_> ???????
[12:21] <czajkowski> locodir-user_: if you don't know about locoteams, I just wondered how you found this place ?
[12:21] <locodir-user_> just mlearning irc thats all
[12:22] <locodir-user_> thinking about pdf's
[12:22] <locodir-user_> im abit loopy you know
[12:22] <locodir-user_> AND VERY VERY F'N ANGRY
[12:23] <czajkowski> locodir-user_: please mind your language
[12:23] <locodir-user_> didnt sware
[12:24] <locodir-user_> thers like 50 people lurking y aren'y they talking/
[12:25] <locodir-user_> ?
[12:25] <czajkowski> locodir-user_: different timezones
[12:25] <locodir-user_> oh
[12:26] <locodir-user_> ny time zone is infinit u know.
[12:27] <locodir-user_> hm someone set up a nice irc
[12:28] <locodir-user_> t boon pickens on morning joe
[12:29] <locodir-user_> cya sorry to bother you my drunkeness appologies
[13:13] <paultag> the hell
[13:30] <paultag> the interesting this is c-98-229-81-26.hsd1.me.comcast.net/<IP_ADDRESS> <- look like Maine
[13:30] <paultag> looks *
[13:51] <mhall119> paultag: morning
[13:51] <paultag> moin mhall119
[14:12] <paultag> mhall119: what's good
[14:13] <paultag> also, does anyone know if python will treat '\ ' as a space??
[14:13] <paultag> /??/?
[14:15] <paultag> guessing no
[14:25] <mhall119> paultag: I don't think so, no
[14:25] <mhall119> you don't need to escape spaces in python strings
[15:49] <JanC> paultag: """Unlike Standard C, all unrecognized escape sequences are left in the string unchanged, i.e., the backslash is left in the string.""" (from the Python language spec ;) )
[15:49] <paultag> grr
[15:49] <paultag> JanC: thanks, I hacked around it after some time on the terminal
[15:50] <paultag> makes things less readable, but meh :)
[15:50] <JanC> http://docs.python.org/py3k/reference/lexical_analysis.html#string-and-bytes-literals
[15:50] <paultag> JanC: I needed to fix a bug since my input file was space-seperated
[15:50] <paultag> JanC: nah, it's OK. Thanks :) I just hacked around it
[15:51] <paultag> https://github.com/paultag/dog/blob/master/share/colors/control/states <- this unholy mess is my state-machine input file
[15:52] <JanC> paultag: reading the Python language reference is very interesting nevertheless, so if you have nothing to do some day...  ☺
[15:52] <paultag> JanC: thumbs-up! :)
[15:53] <mhall119> nothing like curling up on the couch with the Python language reference for a little indulgent light reading
[15:53] <JanC> (I am one of those crazy people who love reading language specs & other manuals front-to-back :P )
[15:53] <paultag> +1
[15:54] <paultag> it prevents abuses
[15:54] <mhall119> or at least explains it
[15:55] <mhall119> reading the Java spec on the string table makes for particularly interesting party conversation
[15:56] <JanC> mhall119: wait until you read the C++ spec  ;)
[15:56] <paultag> so hot
[15:56] <mhall119> heh
[15:56] <mhall119> if you're into horror, then you can read the actual Django code
[15:56] <paultag> you can finally not explain what a virtual constructor is!
[15:56] <paultag> (since you should't be able to do it, but the gcc authors figured, what the shit)
[15:57] <mhall119> lol
[15:57] <paultag> virtual distructors are the new hotness, though
[15:57] <paultag> destructors *
[15:57] <JanC> mhall119: I on ce wrote a little patch for Django, and I didn't think the code was too bad, but some parts of it are quite complex indeed
[15:57] <mhall119> kind of the opposite of Java destructors
[15:57] <paultag> mhall119: well, java baked that in
[15:57] <mhall119> JanC: it's more a matter of the amount of magic the employ
[15:58] <mhall119> paultag: yeah, but you're not supposed to use them
[15:58] <paultag> mhall119: sure you are
[15:58] <JanC> most of the magic was removed actually  ;)
[15:58] <mhall119> JanC: oh? when?  I haven't dug around in >= 1.3
[15:58] <paultag> mhall119: so if you have Poodle (-> Dog) and Shitzu (->Dog), and you have an array of a few `Dogs' somewhere, and you delete one of them (Dog * d = foo[0]; delete d;), it'd only call the Dog deconstructor, not Poodle / Shitzu's
[15:58] <paultag> mhall119: unless you throw them up on the vtable
[15:58] <paultag> which means you need a virtual destructor
[15:58] <JanC> mhall119: I'm talking pre-1.0  ;)
[15:59] <paultag> whereas that's normal java destructor behavior
[15:59] <paultag> dawg
[15:59] <paultag> (see what I did there?)
[15:59] <mhall119> paultag: you're talking C?
[15:59] <mhall119> or Java
[15:59] <paultag> mhall119: C++
[15:59] <paultag> C++ vs Java
[15:59] <paultag> c don't have no destructors
[15:59] <mhall119> right, I meant in Java you're discouraged from using destructors
[15:59] <paultag> that's just not true
[16:00] <paultag> closing files and such?
[16:00] <JanC> even Stroustrup says he doesn't know/understand all of C++, and he invented it...  :P
[16:00] <paultag> JanC++
[16:00] <JanC> not to mention the fact that you need > 1000 pages to explain all the "basic" stuff
[16:01] <mhall119> paultag: you're supposed to do that with try/finally blocks
[16:01] <paultag> JanC: all those "learn c++ in 14 days" books are crap :)
[16:01] <paultag> mhall119: what if you open a file in the constructor?
[16:01] <mhall119> otherwise the gc closes them when they lose all references
[16:01] <paultag> mhall119: you r/w in the methods
[16:01] <JanC> paultag: well, the C++ you learn in those is probably a safe subset  ;)
[16:01] <paultag> JanC: ;)
[16:02] <paultag> or sockets
[16:02] <paultag> that's a big one
[16:02] <paultag> kinda, I guess
[16:02] <paultag> you should .close(), I guess
[16:02] <paultag> still, I stand by ~ClassName();
[16:03] <paultag> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/171952/is-there-a-destructor-for-java
[16:03] <paultag> humm, interesting
[16:07] <JanC> Python has a nice "with" statement for this :-)
[16:08] <dscassel> Java 7 is introducing an AutoCloseable interface for automatically closing resources created in a try statement.
[16:08] <dscassel> (in case of exception)


[01:44] <melmoth> with juju-core, with openstack environment, how can i set a constraints on a flavor when i deploy stuff ?
[01:52] <melmoth> looks like i can use mem= to pick at least a given amount of ram (wich will end up with the flavor i want), but i m wondering if there are plan to have a proper flavor constraint.
[03:18] <raywang> hello jamespage
[10:36] <_mup_> Bug #1220625 was filed: juju unset command does not appear in help  <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220625>
[13:00] <hatch> Hey all - I'm trying to figure out the syntax and location of relation errors from juju-core, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[13:02] <hatch> fwereade_, ^
[13:03] <fwereade_> hatch, sorry, expand please? there's no relation-specific error state
[13:03] <fwereade_> hatch, if a relation hook fails you shoul dbe able t see which hook failed in status
[13:03] <hatch> fwereade_, sure thanks, I am attempting to implement relation errors in the GUI converting from PyJuju to core
[13:04] <hatch> but I can't find where that is returned to the GUI or the format
[13:04] <hatch> frankban, and I searched around the source for a while but came up empty :)
[13:05] <frankban> fwereade_: do you mean the unit's StatusInfo?
[13:06] <fwereade_> frankban, hatch, that's what is currently available
[13:09] <hatch> fwereade_, so if there is a relation-hook failure will I only get a status "failed: hook-name-goes-here" ?
[13:10] <fwereade_> hatch, yeah
[13:11] <hatch> darn...
[13:11] <hatch> fwereade_, ok thanks a lot for your help - will have to take a new approach
[13:11] <fwereade_> hatch, I'm still in a meeting but I'd like to talk about this in 5 mins if that's ok?
[13:12] <hatch> yeah definitely just ping and we can have a hangout - I'm on London time this week
[13:22] <rs0man> hi
[13:23] <rs0man> what happens here?
[15:58] <arosales> Weekly Charm Sync starting in  few minutes.
[15:58] <arosales> G+, if you would like to join us: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/94201cea7de4619525241af73102ba009b3d46f7?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:59] <arosales> Notes are at: http://pad.ubuntu.com/7mf2jvKXNa
[16:03] <marcoceppi> http://ubuntuonair.com
[16:23] <mattyw> jcastro, have I missed the charmers hangout?
[16:25] <evilnickveitch> mattyw, still going on
[16:25] <evilnickveitch> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/94201cea7de4619525241af73102ba009b3d46f7?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:25] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, ok cool, thanks
[16:44] <m_3> jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1220816
[16:44] <_mup_> Bug #1220816: add bind-home options to local provider <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220816>
[16:45] <marcoceppi> arosales: https://jujucharms.com/~marcoceppi/precise/vanilla-HEAD/
[16:45] <marcoceppi> mattyw: ^
[16:46] <mattyw> marcoceppi, thanks
[16:48] <X-warrior> does the configs are available to any hook?
[16:49] <m_3> jcastro: hmmmm... `juju deploy --constraints "bind=/home/mmm:/home/ubuntu"` would rock if that would work
[16:50] <m_3> X-warrior: yes, when using initial config
[16:50] <m_3> X-warrior: the only hook called when you do a `juju set ...` is hooks/config-changed
[16:50] <m_3> X-warrior: but any hooks called _after_ that will have the latest set of config
[16:51] <arosales> mattyw, http://pad.ubuntu.com/7mf2jvKXNa
[16:54] <X-warrior> does the set-config safe? I mean, could I randonly generate a password and save using set-config for later use?
[16:55] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: you can't set-config from a charm
[16:55] <marcoceppi> Charms can't set configuration, only read configuration
[16:55] <X-warrior> ah ok
[16:55] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: if you want to generate a password, just save it to $CHARM_DIR/.password or something
[16:56] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: then you could `cat $CHARM_DIR/.password` at a later hook to read it in
[16:56] <marcoceppi> then just tell users, if they need the password, where to get it
[16:56] <X-warrior> ok
[16:56] <X-warrior> :D
[16:56] <X-warrior> ty
[16:58] <jcastro> m_3: can you file that home mount as a bug and then CC me the bug #?
[16:58] <arosales> marcoceppi, jcastro, m_3, evilnickveitch, utlemming: quick internal charm sync
[16:59] <arosales> around netflix charming
[16:59] <m_3> jcastro: in backchannel
[16:59] <m_3> jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1220816
[16:59] <_mup_> Bug #1220816: add bind-home options to local provider <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220816>
[17:48] <kentb> I deployed the juju-gui charm to one of my machines.  It sort of works, but it's really slow to come up and ultimately I get a "Failed to load editorial content" error and I'm missing a lot of icons and no charms show up.  Any ideas on what to check?
[17:54] <sidnei> benji: ^ maybe you can help?
[17:55]  * benji reads.
[17:56] <benji> kentb: are you running behind a firewall that does egress filtering?
[17:58] <kentb> benji: yep. just found it...pointed to the proxy I needed to get to and all seems to work now.  Thanks!
[17:58] <benji> cool
[18:24] <X-warrior> my install hook failed, now I'm using juju resolved --retry service... and it says "error: cannot set resolved mode for unit "redis-test/0": already resolved" but juju status says the opposite. What could be wrong? I'm trying to start some python scripts on install using 'pyhton file.py &'
[18:25] <X-warrior> or maybe I should move then to start...
[18:42] <sidnei> X-warrior: uhm, i got into that state once but couldn't reproduce it, i wonder if it might be a bug
[18:43] <sidnei> X-warrior: can you confirm from the logs that the previous run of install hook exited?
[18:43] <sidnei> X-warrior: it might as well be stuck, eg if you apt-get install without DEB_FRONTEND=noninteractive set, waiting for input
[18:44] <X-warrior> sidnei, nope... what I did was, execute python script.py (a script that doesn't finish) so it doesn't returned
[18:44] <X-warrior> then I add a & on the end of command
[18:44] <X-warrior> (this was inside install hook)
[18:44] <X-warrior> and used resolved --retry
[18:44] <X-warrior> and then it said it was already resolved...
[18:44] <X-warrior> so I destroyed
[18:44] <sarnold> do you need to nohup that thing? or does non-interactive shell do that for you?
[18:44] <X-warrior> moved the python command to start hook
[18:45] <X-warrior> with & option
[18:45] <X-warrior> and it worked
[18:45] <sidnei> X-warrior: ah, indeed. so the hook never finished, when you set resolved it gets recorded as such, but the retry is queued up waiting for the hook to finish.
[18:46] <X-warrior> I guess so
[18:47] <X-warrior> sarnold, moving it to start hook adding the & param, worked... ssh the machine still shows me the process running so I guess the non-interactive shell does that for me
[18:48] <X-warrior> I need to move that service to upstart
[18:48] <X-warrior> but while I don't... I'm just executing the script directly
[19:52] <doc_> Trying to change my charm repo to a local repo in my environments.yaml file, but juju doesn't seem to pick it up
[19:52] <doc_> Is this supported? As documented here: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html
[19:55] <dalek49> doc_: did you make sure to add it under the correct distribution folder name?
[19:57] <doc_> dalek49: I have my charms under ./charms/precise/
[19:57] <doc_> in my environments.yaml file I have: repositories: - ./charms
[19:58] <doc_> and I specify the charm name when I deploy as local:precise/<charm-name>
[20:04] <doc_> Am I missing something?
[20:07] <X-warrior> later guys
[20:07] <X-warrior> thanks for the help
[20:36] <doc_> any idea? Anybody?
[21:23] <marcoceppi> doc_: add --repository with the path to the deploy line. not sure if environments. yaml works properly yet. you might also try the absolute path instead of ~/ inn env
[21:23] <marcoceppi> .yaml
[21:24] <doc_> using it on the command line definitely works, I'd rather have in my environments.yaml file though
[21:24] <doc_> I've tried both absolute and relative path in environments.yaml
[21:24] <doc_> no go for either
[21:25] <marcoceppi> doc_: you'll want to file a bug then
[21:25] <marcoceppi> like I said that should work, but I've not tested it
[21:26] <doc_> marcoceppi: ok. thanks. do you know if it's documented anywhere besides here: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html
[21:27] <marcoceppi> doc_: nope, not that I know of
[22:01] <jackweirdy> Hey guys; me asking more annoying questions again :) I was wondering why juju expects mongo to run on port 37017 when the default is 27017? Is it to stop clashes with another instance that might be running on the same machine?
[22:06] <thumper> jackweirdy: almost certainly
[22:15] <jackweirdy> Awesome :) juju bootstrap is hanging on my machine, I'm running it with --debug, and the last thing it printed was this:
[22:15] <jackweirdy> 2013-09-04 22:12:54 INFO juju open.go:69 state: opening state; mongo addresses: ["localhost:37017"]; entity ""
[22:15] <jackweirdy> Been stuck there for a couple of minutes
[22:15] <jackweirdy> I killed it earlier, ran destroy-environment and tried again
[22:16] <jackweirdy> Any ideas as to what I should poke?
[22:32] <jackweirdy> It looks like it's because mongo isn't configured for ssl
[22:33] <jackweirdy> could someone dump a part of their mongo.conf ssl settings either here or in a gist so I could compare with mine please? :)
[22:43] <jackweirdy> Maybe not; this shows up in mongo.log
[22:43] <jackweirdy> Wed Sep  4 23:39:24 [initandlisten] connection accepted from <IP_ADDRESS>:35616 #1 (1 connection now open)


[00:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T176: Test the python-phabricator SRU] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T176#3516
[00:13] <docEbrown> hey @teward, thanks for adding the confirmation.  I checked it in the 18.04 docker container and worked well for me, so I think it is good to go
[00:15] <teward> docEbrown: yep, all you have to do next time is replace the verification-needed tags with verification-done and it gets put on the SRU handlers' lists as ready to go
[00:16] <docEbrown> awesome! Thanks for the info.    I've been working with LP bugs for a while (for the SErver Team, I maintain the NGINX package, so I know a lot about the bugs process heh)
[00:20] <docEbrown> ha cool NGINX! I have used that quite a bit at work lately.  Nicely done!!!!
 Hi
 Heya!
 Hais
 I finally managed to get a bootable lubunt usb lol
 Have you guys tried the latest version yet?
 Yes. :P
 @Nathanpotato [Have you guys tried the latest version yet?], These dudes make them
 Coolio
 Ah nvm even tho the iso was put on the usb the pc says cannot find kernel
 Fudge me
 Y do computers hate me?
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/PnF5poy5/file_5312.mp4
 @Nathanpotato [Ah nvm even tho the iso was put on the usb the pc says cannot find kernel], Wot
 Everything should be in the iso
 Even the kernel
 Now it changed again
 What did you use to flash?
 I used pendrivelinux
 Oh
 Try something like rufus/etcher/unetbootin
 Those work fine for me
 I tried rufus and une they were worse lol I think its my hardware idk
 I see
 Now the caspervmlinuz is missing Idk what's going wrong
 I mean why it became corrupt
[05:15] <wxl[m]> @nathanpotato pendrive Linux is known not to work. Some problem on their end. Did you check the hashes? Also please move this conversation to the support channel. This is for development
 Where is support channel
[06:44] <guiverc> @Nathanpotato - you can use #lubuntu (for lubuntu specific) or #ubuntu on irc  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList  where this is #lubuntu-devel)
[06:47] <krytarik> https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support - well.. I think this is obvious enough to not need anymore words.
[06:57] <guiverc> qa-test 19.04 daily x86, laptop with external monitor attached.  left alone screensaver took effect but 'locked' only laptop monitor, ext.display was unchanged - worthy of report??, or known??, or ~0% importance?? (ie. only related to 'live' use)
[07:00] <guiverc> (i'm asking if worth raising ubuntu-bug; I didn't see anything related)
 Who r u asking
[07:02] <guiverc> anyone (dev or lubuntu team) who has opinion -- answer may take awhile b/c time (elsewhere in world)
[07:06] <lynorian> guiverc Do you know how to make a bug report ?
[07:06] <lynorian> I think I could confirm that
[07:09] <guiverc> yeah - (it's why wxl joked [in jest] he wanted me doing packaging..) thanks lynorian
[07:10] <lynorian> well I am on 18.10 right now quite busy with the manual
[07:12] <guiverc> keep at it lynorian :)
[07:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL84a4ba93a503: Add lxqt-panel autohide and edit prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL84a4ba93a503
[07:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL71db8cc3da64: Add the fact menu has subcategories] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL71db8cc3da64
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[07:54] <apt-ghetto> guiverc: In my opinion you should write a bug report. In the worst case, this will be a "Won't fix", but I don't think so
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[09:08] <guiverc> apt-ghetto, thanks - have already submitted..
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[21:50] <lynorian> now the people that don't like vim should be happy with the manual
[21:52] <wxl> guiverc: so you fixed it? :)
[21:57]  * tsimonq2 waves
[21:57] <tsimonq2> I'M AROUND TODAYYYYY
 o/
 Good to see you.
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[22:08] <teward> *sits on @tsimonq2's computer*
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[22:34] <lynorian> Is control + f10 still the default keybinding for something to do with brightness
[22:35] <lynorian> because libreoffice writer also uses that for show formatting marks
[22:37] <lynorian> granted there is still the menu to get that done
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[22:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: To triage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1806333
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[22:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's on my list. been busy
[22:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: same XD
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 Anyone want to help hand hold me through an arc patch this week?
[23:24] <wxl> @SamuelBanya everything's already built and ready to be sent on its way?
 It was just a minor change
[23:26] <wxl> is that a yes?
 It's the idea to just make arc patch the existing directory
 I guess
 I just need help in general so it can wait if needed tbh
[23:27] <wxl> it's a yes or no. is it at the point that you would submit a merge proposal were to we to be using github?


[03:22] <project2501a> um, if i wanted to post a reward, say USD$5k for someone to fork launchpad and incorporate native git and hg support, instead of bridging which has now, where should I do it? and how should i put the money in escrow?
[06:05] <magcius> Why a fork?
[07:25] <lifeless> magcius: they've left already ;)
[07:31] <micahg> lifeless: is bug 594916 worth a bump in importance?
[07:31] <lifeless> micahg: a patch would be nicer ;)
[07:32] <micahg> lifeless: I'm not sure I want to tackle yet another massive codebase :)
[07:32] <wgrant> micahg: That particular codebase is in Ubuntu :)
[07:32] <wgrant> It's an ancient sbuild bug.
[07:32] <lifeless> micahg: tis sbuild
[07:33] <micahg> wgrant: lifeless: oh, ok, well, I might take a look then, thanks :), should I open an sbuild task?
[07:33] <wgrant> Probably not, because our version of sbuild diverged in mid-2004.
[07:36] <micahg> wgrant: so, it's a bug in the fork of sbuild or a bug in the current version of sbuild in Ubuntu as well?
[07:36] <wgrant> micahg: Probably both.
[07:36] <wgrant> At least it was when I last checked a year or so ago.
[07:36] <wgrant> Debian has basically rewritten it since then, though.
[07:37] <wgrant> If you can confirm it's fixed in modern Debian/Ubuntu sbuild, I may be more convinced to finish porting LP to the new version.
[07:37] <micahg> wgrant: ok, I'll have sbuild set up locally next month, I'll get back to you on that
[07:38] <lifeless> wgrant: getting back to mainline would be useful
[07:38] <lifeless> wgrant: less to maintain
[07:38] <wgrant> lifeless: Definitely.
[07:38] <wgrant> It's very close.
[07:38] <lifeless> wgrant: just offering tuits :P
[07:38] <wgrant> Plus it means we can tell the Perl to GET OUT OF MY TREE.
[07:39] <lifeless> don't make me port lp to perl
[07:39] <wgrant> StevenK would like that.
[08:17] <StevenK> Haha
[08:17] <StevenK> Which ORM and tech?
[08:34] <xrg_> hi again: need somebody to check lp:~openerp-dev/openobject-server/vmt-server-module
[08:41] <xrg_> up. help with some mis-behaving branch on lp, please? ( lp:~openerp-dev/openobject-server/vmt-server-module)
[08:42] <wgrant> xrg_: What's the problem?
[08:43] <xrg_> wgrant: hello. Problem is that when we try "bzr checkout <url> -r 3326", bzr doesn't like the "-r ..." parameter and comes up with:
[08:43] <xrg_>  Requested revision: u'3326' does not exist...
[08:44] <xrg_> very strange that it considers the revision a unicode
[08:45] <poolie> xrg_, that's just a formatting bug in the error, i tihnk
[08:45] <poolie> the bigger question is why is it failing?
[08:46] <xrg_> as far as we've tested here (from 2 machines), error only happens when we supply the -r parameter
[08:46] <poolie> i get that too
[08:46] <poolie> without the u'' fwiw
[08:46] <xrg_> if we checkout w/o revision, it brings 3326
[08:47] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[08:47] <wgrant> -1 doesn't work either.
[08:47] <poolie> xrg_ please file a bug against bzr
[08:47] <xrg_> could it have to do with the server this branch is located at?
[08:47] <poolie> as a workaround, you can probably make a checkout of tip and then 'bzr update -r whatever'
[08:47] <poolie> it possibly could
[08:47] <xrg_> because, local checkout of the directory this branch originated from, works.
[08:48] <xrg_> let me try the "update" command..
[08:49] <xrg_> bzr update works
[08:49] <poolie> does that command work on other branches?
[08:50] <xrg_> yes.
[08:50] <xrg_> it is our buildbot server which uses that mainly: http://test.openobject.com/latestbuilds
[08:50] <xrg_> only fails at the vmt-... branchh
[08:52] <xrg_> you may notice that we have a bunch of branches there, some of which for the same 'team', and only the "vmt-server-module" failed
[08:52] <wgrant> xrg_: How long has it been failing?
[08:52] <xrg_> since yesterday. That branch is new
[08:53] <xrg_> and we tried today to push the same content into a new lp branch, failed the same way.
[08:53] <poolie> vila, ^^
[08:53] <poolie> the last call before it fails in
[08:53] <poolie> *is
[08:53] <poolie> 39.212  hpss call:   'get', '/~openerp-dev/openobject-server/vmt-server-module/.bzr/branch/last-revision'
[08:53] <poolie> 39.212               (to bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp-dev/openobject-server/vmt-server-module/)
[08:53] <poolie> 39.536     result:   ('ok',)
[08:54] <poolie> we shouldn't really be reading that
[08:54] <poolie> but i suspect that file is out of date
[08:57] <xrg_> :S
[09:00] <poolie> xrg_, also, just a tip, it's probably going to be faster to branch from launchpad and then use 'bzr bind'
[09:02] <xrg_> poolie: thanks for the tip
[09:04] <ttx> hey, I wondered if there was anything more I should do to get my branch merge proposal merged into a future release of Launchpad ?
[09:04] <ttx> https://code.launchpad.net/~ttx/launchpad/lp690712
[09:04] <ttx> It's been "approved" by Gavin, but I don't know what the next step is
[09:05] <wgrant> ttx: Normally your reviewer will land it for you.
[09:05] <wgrant> allenap: Around?
[09:05] <wgrant> If not, I can.
[09:06] <ttx> wgrant: be my guest :)
[09:11] <allenap> ttx: I'm so sorry, I should have merged that before.
[09:11] <ttx> allenap: I should have pinged you about it before... I just thought it was in some queue and then thought of something else
[09:55] <allenap> wgrant: Are you landing ttx's branch?
[09:56] <wgrant> allenap: I'm pretending that I'm not here, since it's past EOD.
[09:57] <allenap> wgrant: I'll land it. I almost let it fall through the gaps again, oops.
[09:59] <allenap> ttx: Okay, I've sent it off. It should get through testing in about 5 hours and then land, and it'll be in qastaging shortly after that. The deploy queue for production is short so we might be able to get it into production today if we're lucky.
[10:00] <ttx> allenap: oh! that's faster than I thought :)
[10:00] <allenap> ttx: If not today then Monday.
[10:01] <ttx> perfect, many thanks
[13:40] <Hanmac> hello, i thy to make a ppa for libpng with apng support, but i am fail with making the packages ... some one chould help me?
[14:05] <maxb> Hanmac: The #ubuntu-packaging channel is more suitable for that sort of thing, but you will need to ask specific questions about the things you are having problems with, not expect someone else to research the overall problem and provide a complete solution
[14:27] <Hanmac> ok the key was missing ... i used dput to upload my files, but there are not in my ppa ... did i something wrong?
[14:30] <maxb> There is usually up to ~5 minutes delay
[15:28] <aquarius> Can I create a mailing list on launchpad that people can join without having a launchpad account?
[15:33] <adeuring> aquarius: no, only LP uses can subscribe
[15:33] <adeuring> s/uses/users/
[15:33] <aquarius> adeuring, OK, thanks
[20:33] <Hanmac> hello, it is posible to upload a source for mavick and natty without changing a file?
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Hanmac: yes, just change the distro in the changelog
[20:54] <shadeslayer> but id advise to suitably adapt the changelog
[20:56] <Hanmac> "File libpng_1.5.0-1~apng.debian.tar.gz already exists in Hanmacs ppa, but uploaded version has different contents." --> i thy with "debuild -S" but it does not work ...
[20:57] <bigjools> Hanmac: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[21:02] <Hanmac> :/ it was an error in the build ... *hmmm* ... i hope "1.5.0-1.1" will work ..
[21:18] <Hanmac> ok it worked ... how to add my ppa to https://launchpad.net/libpng ?
[22:21] <slangasek> I'm desperately trying to get a sane bzr import of a git tree that has submodules; just when I think I'm most of the way there, I try to push to launchpad and I get the following error:
[22:21] <slangasek> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "'Bazaar development format 8\\n'")
[22:22] <slangasek> is development-subtree not supported by launchpad's server-side bzr?
[22:51] <poolie> slangasek, sorry, i guess it's not
[22:52] <poolie> but i'm a bit surprised that's the case
[22:52] <poolie> i wonder if it's because they're running 2.2/
[22:52] <poolie> slangasek, please file a bug and we could use that to hurry up an upgrade to 2.3
[22:52] <slangasek> poolie: ack
[22:54] <slangasek> poolie: bug #709539, cheers


[13:41] <mpt> Hi thorwil, good to see you here
[13:42] <thorwil> hi mpt. why? :)
[13:42] <mpt> thorwil, because you have interesting design ideas :-)
[13:43] <thorwil> mpt: heh, thanks :)


[00:12] <TEC_> hi together
[00:20] <TEC_> know someone a ppa for the ubuntu touch thats work für the depracticed NEXUS 7
[00:20] <TEC_> ?
[00:51] <TEC_> has no one what to say?
[12:05] <mardy> Mirv: hi! Are there plans to have Qt 5.5 in the phone PPA? (or, do you know when is the phone planned to switch to xenial?)
[12:35] <zetheroo> Does the Gmail webapp poll for new emails?
[12:35] <zetheroo> I get notification from it when a new email arrives - it's not instant but it happens ...
[12:37] <DanChapman> No there's a seperate poll daemon that runs at 5 minute intervals. https://launchpad.net/account-polld
[12:37] <zetheroo> DanChapman: ah, and that's what you are trying to get dekko to use as well?
[12:38] <DanChapman> not by choice but yeah :-)
[12:39] <zetheroo> ok - so until push notification is happening pretty much all chat/email apps need to use this poll daemon ... is that right?
[12:43] <DanChapman> Well no not exactly. the poll daemon was never planned to be a long term thing and is not guaranteed to be available in future releases. And if every app ended up providing a polld plugin then you might as well let those apps just run every 5 seconds in the background.
[12:43] <DanChapman> sorry 5 minutes
[12:44] <DanChapman> From what i understand chat type apps will be able to provide a telepathy plugin to be able to do background work.
[12:45] <zetheroo> oh cool
[12:47] <zetheroo> but even if the the chat plugin is running in the background all the time we will still have to wait for the chat service provider to push notification to the Ubuntu platform - right?
[12:53] <DanChapman> No idea how it will work but i doubt it will rely on push notifications
[13:04] <mcphail> DanChapman: would good old IMAP IDLE be a suitable alternative to polling or pushing?
[13:09] <DanChapman> I'd much much much prefer it, and would be far less resource hungry. It still bugs me now dekko's IDLE connections get trashed due to confinement :-)
[13:09] <DanChapman> IDLE combined with NOTIFY & the other extensions from the lemonade profile (Dekko has support for most of them) would make for a real lightweight experience on mobile. It just doesn't fit with the approach of the platform
[13:28] <mcphail> DanChapman: Is there someone we can annoy to change that?
[14:00] <DanChapman> mcphail, not sure who we would speak to about that. :-/
[14:05] <mcphail> IMAP IDLE is so fundamental, it is crazy it doesn't work on this platform
[14:11] <DanChapman> fwiw i've been chipping away at a dovecot plugin that adds an XUBUNTUPUSH capability. Which allows the client to register the devices push token. I've still to get the plugin to actually send the push message so still early days on that.
[14:15] <m00p> Hello, i am folloing the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com for installing on nexus7 (2012), when i go to acutally run ubuntu-device-flash it seems to just sit at "Expecting the device to be in the bootloader"
[14:15] <m00p> has anyone seen this? i followed all prior steps as documented ..
[14:15] <DanChapman> nexus7 2012 isn't supported. It's only the 2013 model.
[14:16] <m00p> .. oh really ? hmm
[14:16] <m00p> waup waup
[14:16] <m00p> well, thanks for confirming that !
[14:17] <DanChapman> yeah support for the n7 2012 was dropped over a year ago (maybe 2).
[14:20] <m00p> ah i see, yeh i loaded the ubuntu touch preview a lonnng time ago so figured it would be supported, thanks again for the info !
[14:20] <DanChapman> np :-)
[14:49] <Mirv> mardy: there is no plan, even though I have a (pinning required) silo 028 for it. my guess is that it will be considered too risky and not fixing enough known problems to really switch to in normal OTA. so it'd be xenial instead, but there's not yet known planned timeline for that switch.
[14:50] <Mirv> mardy: this spring will probably bring clarity to the xenial plan. I'm also thinking Qt 5.6 could be a good match for xenial phone overlay, since it's an LTS release, even though it can't make it into 16.04 LTS archives since it's so much late
[14:57] <Mirv> for now the focus is backporting fixes to both 5.4 (vivid) and 5.5 (xenial) as needed
[15:24] <xMutexX> hello, do you think that ubuntu for phones will work with my O+ Grande?
[16:11] <V99> Has anyone had the problem of not hear anything when you turn the headset on a call before the first ring tone with bq e5?
[16:15] <V99> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1533251
[16:15] <V99> hardware bug
[18:36] <cuco> hi all, is it possible to install ubuuntu touch just by flashing the images using "Fastboot" ?
[18:36] <k1l_> i think no because they need repartitioning.
[18:37] <cuco> no simple way of doing this manually?
[18:37] <cuco> (I am not running ubuntu, so runnign the flash script is not trivial)
[18:43] <dobey> cuco: you can run ubuntu in a vm to flash using ubuntu-device-flash
[18:43] <dobey> or rather, what os are you running?
[21:21] <zetheroo> people on this irc channel suggested that I ask Google for push notifications to the Ubuntu platform ... how many of you have added your voices >>>>  https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/tag-manager/sxMMa2oKKiM/A5aXvgo2CwAJ
[21:21] <zetheroo> :)