[00:00] <BUGabundo> $ cat  /proc/asound/card*/codec*  | pastebinit
[00:00] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f65476bb1
[00:00] <crimsun> thanks
[00:00] <BUGabundo> Making
[00:01] <BUGabundo> there goes Saturday
[00:01] <BUGabundo> (12:00:28 AM) Day changed to 27 Dec 2009
[00:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: /sbin/depmod -a 2.6.32-9-generic
[00:02] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok, do you have powerdown active right now?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> what's powerdown?
[00:02] <crimsun> grep hda-intel /etc/modprobe.d/*
[00:03] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f5694ff47
[00:03] <crimsun> eww
[00:03] <crimsun> you should rm /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf~
[00:04] <BUGabundo> done
[00:04] <crimsun> please erase the " power_save_controller=N"
[00:05] <BUGabundo> done
[00:05] <BUGabundo> and ~ removed
[00:05] <crimsun> can you check again about the backup file?
[00:06] <crimsun> i.e., make sure there isn't one
[00:08] <BUGabundo> $ ls /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf* | pastebinit
[00:08] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f719adf9
[00:08] <BUGabundo> (12:05:08 AM) freenode: and ~ removed
[00:09] <crimsun> ok, now I need you to verify that there's an audible pop when the controller powers down after 10 idle seconds
[00:13] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no sound for at least a minute
[00:13] <BUGabundo> and now I just got a pong
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no POP
[00:13] <BUGabundo> some glichts in some of them
[00:13] <BUGabundo> but nothing out of usual
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no POP
[00:13] <crimsun> ok, that's the power_save_controller
[00:14] <crimsun> now, you should reboot
[00:17] <BUGabundo> well since you ask so nicelly
[00:17] <BUGabundo> BBR rebooting
[00:21] <BUGabundo> crimsun: back
[00:21] <BUGabundo> sound working
[00:21] <BUGabundo> YAY
[00:21] <crimsun> well, I'm not so concerned about sound working
[00:21] <crimsun> I want to know if you can hear a 'pop' when the controller powers down after 10 seconds
[00:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:21] <BUGabundo> well, I am
[00:22] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can go soundless for that long
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ping me in 10
[00:22] <crimsun> (I think you can ping yourself ;)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> BUGabundo: ping
[00:22] <BUGabundo> no pop
[00:22] <crimsun> and sound still works, correct
[00:22] <crimsun> ?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:22] <BUGabundo> I think so
[00:23] <crimsun> please verify that sound still works :)
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ping me :) I can't ping myseft
[00:23] <BUGabundo> wait, it works
[00:23] <BUGabundo> just got a pong
[00:23] <crimsun> ok, does suspend/resume work on your machine?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> not resume from hibernation
[00:23] <BUGabundo> it always does clean boot :((
[00:24] <BUGabundo> from the last two weeks
[00:24] <crimsun> but resume from suspend-to-RAM does, correct?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: not that king
[00:24] <BUGabundo> *kind
[00:24] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I'll have to test
[00:24] <BUGabundo> worked last weekend
[00:24] <BUGabundo> don't use it that much
[00:24] <crimsun> please suspend-to-RAM, then resume and verify that sound is still audible
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[00:24] <BUGabundo> that
[00:25] <BUGabundo> sound usualy is mutted after that
[00:25] <BUGabundo> and network fails to start
[00:25] <BUGabundo> but ill test again
[00:26] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, then what kind , don't see your ip ?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> sound works after resume
[00:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[00:27] <chu_> Morning all.
[00:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: and, thanks for testing!
[00:28] <BUGabundo> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/f324f1bc4
[00:28] <BUGabundo> always glad to make Ubuntu Better
[00:28] <crimsun> ah, , great.
[00:28] <crimsun> 0x10ec0883
[00:28] <crimsun> those are the nasty ones
[00:28] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you wouldn't be running +1 for 4 years if I didn't like testing stuff
[00:29] <crimsun> BUGabundo: eh?
[00:29] <crimsun> I've been breaking things for a living since I was 16
[00:29] <BUGabundo> s/you/I/
[00:29] <crimsun> ah
[00:30] <bjsnider> crimsun, are you a demolition expert?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> I also beta test, LP, OOo, pidgin, android, NM, FF, chromium, a several other floss related services/apps
[00:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOLOL
[00:30] <crimsun> bjsnider: heh
[00:30] <BUGabundo> breaking *in*
[00:35] <crimsun> BUGabundo: regardless, thanks for testing. I don't have enough Best Buys locally to verify all my fixes.
[00:36] <bjsnider> i need libmozjs-dev as a build-dep, but that file wants to pull out the entire desktop
[00:37] <bjsnider> i could use seamonkey-dev, but i think that would result in the binaries uselessly pulling in seamonkey
[00:38] <crimsun> $ aptitude why-not libmozjs-dev
[00:38] <crimsun> i   firefox         Depends   firefox-3.5
[00:38] <crimsun> i A firefox-3.5     Depends   xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1)
[00:38] <crimsun> i A xulrunner-1.9.1 Conflicts libmozjs-dev
[00:38] <bjsnider> i need xulrunner
[00:38] <bjsnider> but so does everything else
[00:39] <crimsun> do you actually *need* libmozjs-dev?
[00:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: have you tried #ubuntu-mozillateam ?
[00:39] <bjsnider> it contains a magical header
[00:39] <crimsun> which magical header?
[00:39] <bjsnider> it contains the header for spidermonkey
[00:40] <bjsnider> jsapi.h
[00:40] <BUGabundo> get it from LP ?
[00:40] <bjsnider> what i can't understand is how sebastian got the previous version to compile without that header
[00:40] <bjsnider> i mean it isn't here in the build-dep list
[00:40] <bjsnider> but the build log clearly demands it
[00:41] <crimsun> apt-file search jsapi.h|grep -v ^libmoz
[00:41] <crimsun> kompozer-dev: /usr/include/kompozer/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> seamonkey-dev: /usr/include/seamonkey/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> sunbird-dev: /usr/include/sunbird/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> thunderbird-dev: /usr/include/thunderbird/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> xulrunner-1.9.1-dev: /usr/include/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/unstable/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> so, why not use xulrunner-1.9.1-dev ?
[00:42] <bjsnider> that package is in the list
[00:42] <crimsun> in what list?
[00:42] <crimsun> the build-dependency alternates?
[00:44] <bjsnider> that package in karmic contains the header, but what about lucid?
[00:51] <bjsnider> the file is unquestionably there, but not being found
[00:51] <crimsun> I'm running lucid, and I refreshed apt-file before I did the search
[00:52] <crimsun> $ dpkg-deb -c xulrunner-1.9.1-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb |grep jsapi
[00:52] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-12-15 09:35 ./usr/include/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/unstable/jsapi.h
[00:53] <crimsun> make sure you're using the correct preprocessor path
[00:54] <bjsnider> where is that set?
[00:54] <crimsun> in the source code
[00:55] <crimsun> [of whatever you're trying to compile]
[00:55] <crimsun> actually
[00:55] <crimsun> the proper way is to use the pkg-config file
[00:56] <bjsnider> i had to run the autogen script before i could get to this point, but i doubt anything went wrong
[00:58] <bjsnider> what's probably happened is i didn't prepare this code properly
[00:58] <bjsnider> it was just a bunch of raw git stuff
[00:59] <bjsnider> it wasn't a tarball with all required files or anything
[01:02] <Ng> is it just me or is pylint uninstallable in lucid atm?
[01:03] <crimsun> it isn't you
[01:03] <Ng> ok :)
[01:03] <crimsun> interesting, you just helped me uncover an apt-get bug
[01:04] <Ng> well that's something I suppose :)
[01:04] <BUGabundo> Ng: not you, bjsnider
[01:04] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:04] <crimsun> The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-logilab-astng: Depends: python-logilab-common (>= 0.45.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:04] <BUGabundo> or then again
[01:06] <Ng> crimsun: I'm curious how that's an apt bug? the dependency isn't satisfied by the current archive
[01:07] <crimsun> Ng: apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng
[01:07] <crimsun> Ng: then, sudo apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng
[01:08] <crimsun> bah, it's a heisenbug
[01:08] <Ng> output of those seems to be very much the same apart from the simulation warning
[01:09] <crimsun> except that every once in a while, you get:
[01:09] <crimsun> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:09] <crimsun> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:09] <crimsun> and that very much *is* a bug
[01:10] <Ng> not seeing that, but it may be a hardware related timing thing I suppose
[01:11] <crimsun> in which case it's still a bug (:
[01:12] <crimsun> hang a sec, I'll look at logilab-common
[01:12] <crimsun> it looks like it just needs a merge
[01:15] <biovore> maybe crimsun needs a hiesnburg compensator?
[01:15] <crimsun> that would rock
[01:15] <BUGabundo> MAUAUAUAUAU
[01:15] <BUGabundo> 27/Dec/2009 01:15:09 [     edge.c:1136] Using supernode <IP_ADDRESS>:82
[01:15] <BUGabundo> ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[01:15] <BUGabundo> why why why
[01:16] <BUGabundo> thos was working so well a week ago :((((
[01:17] <crimsun> Ng: sec, testing
[01:18] <Ng> :)
[01:19] <bjsnider> !find mozilla-js.pc lucid
[01:24] <BUGabundo> is it just me or is Totem lacking total playing time , when windowed?
[01:35] <bjsnider> the upstream debian package failed for exactly the same reason. so it's nothing i've done
[01:45] <xfact> hey all
[01:46] <xfact> anybody using Lucid lynx?
[01:47] <ToxinPowe> no, it's win95 channel =)
[01:47] <BUGabundo> ToxinPowe: touché
[01:49] <xfact> ????
[01:49] <xfact> anybody alive for help?
[01:52] <BUGabundo> always
[01:52] <BUGabundo> xfact: don't ask to ask, just ASK
[01:52] <i_is_broke> nope we are here for the music and free beer..:D
[01:52] <chu_> beer?!
[01:52] <BUGabundo> i_is_broke: and killing bunies on release dates
[01:52] <i_is_broke> lol
[01:53] <xfact> I am using Ubuntu 8.04 LTs, and now this 10.04 LTS released, but why not it's showing in my upgrade list?
[01:53] <xfact> And I am here for getting help...
[01:53] <chu_> It's not officially released yet.
[01:53] <i_is_broke> um cause 10.4 isnt released yet.
[01:53] <chu_> This is the alpha 1 stage
[01:53] <bjsnider> lucid won't be released until april
[01:53] <i_is_broke> beta hasnt even been released yet.
[01:54] <BUGabundo> heck
[01:54] <BUGabundo> xfact: it hasn't been released yet
[01:54] <BUGabundo> do you guys think he got the picture?
[01:54] <chu_> No
[01:55] <bjsnider> what sort of people still use hardy?
[01:55] <bjsnider> it's a very conservative choice
[01:56] <xfact> BUGabundo: Really, it's already out for download and to use....@!
[01:56] <xfact> I have checked it on the web
[01:56] <chu_> It is available to _test_
[01:56] <BUGabundo> chu_: can we even call this testing ?
[01:56] <xfact> You mean Beta version like
[01:56] <chu_> Probably not.
[01:56] <BUGabundo> its more like breaking on every step
[01:56] <BUGabundo> xfact: no... not even alph2
[01:56] <chu_> Maybe I won't upgrade then!
[01:57] <BUGabundo> !schedule > xfact
[01:57] <bjsnider> upgrade in april
[01:57] <ToxinPowe> Breaking news, Lucid is out... only Canonical don't know yet :P
[01:57] <chu_> I usually upgrade to beta and everything's good.
[01:57] <crimsun> Ng: sorry, taking a bit longer than anticipated due to testing
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ahhahaahahaahahahahahahahaaahahahahahah
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ToxinPowe: you win the award of the week
[01:57] <chu_> Was just getting a bit keen for Lucid. It sounds promising.
[01:57] <BUGabundo> chu_: I jumped on day 2
[01:58] <i_is_broke> shhhh! dont tell them either.lol
[01:58] <BUGabundo> 2 days after karmic release
[01:58] <xfact> Well, new to ubuntu...no idea about these 'alpha' codes and stuffs....
[01:58] <bjsnider> xfact, are you an oem user?
[01:58] <chu_> Well, it's an introduction to software development in general.
[01:58] <bjsnider> in other words, did you buy a dellbuntu system?
[01:59] <chu_> Be right back, coffee...
[01:59] <xfact> what is oem...I just know I am a windows user, just interested to ubuntu
[02:00] <bjsnider> you said you were using hardy
[02:00] <Ng> crimsun: np at all :)
[02:05] <chu_> Would you say it's too ambitious to write a native gtk calendar application?
[02:06] <bjsnider> like evolution?
[02:06] <chu_> I've never used evolution, let me see.
[02:08] <chu_> THat's awesome.
[02:20] <ToxinPowe> bye people
[02:20] <chu_> see ya
[02:31] <crimsun> Ng: uploaded; thanks for catching the unmetdep
[02:31] <Ng> crimsun: thanks very much :)
[02:34] <yoasif> BUGabundo: around?
[02:35] <yoasif> anyone around who wants to help me confirm a bug?
[02:35] <BUGabundo> yoasif: still
[02:35] <BUGabundo> wathing TopGear
[02:36] <yoasif> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/500672 confirm away ;)
[02:37] <BUGabundo> done
[02:37] <yoasif> thanks BUGabundo
[04:22] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[04:22] <billybigrigger> anyone still alive?
[04:25] <chu_> yep
[04:27] <bjsnider> i died in the war
[04:27] <chu_> :o
[04:27] <billybigrigger> so i'm wondering if anyone here has been having grub problems?
[04:28] <oldude67> hmmm dont know i havent rebooted in a couple of days...kind of afraid too..lol
[04:28] <oldude67> hold let me see
[04:28] <billybigrigger> yeah i get a grub rescue prompt with an error grub symbol grub_gettext not found
[04:29] <billybigrigger> i successfully booted into my system ONCE using a solution i found on the forums, but it doesn't work for me anymore
[04:30] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[04:32] <oldude67> nope no issues with grub, booted right back up.
[04:33] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[05:02] <crimsun> Ng: how's pylint working?
[05:59]  * om26er got disconnected
[08:25] <jbicha1> howdy, attempting to login to Google Reader causes my computer to restart immediately
[08:26] <jbicha1> happens every time in Firefox, Chrome, Konqueror, and Arora, my graphics card is Intel GM45 (laptop)
[08:26] <crimsun> reproducible with 'vesa'?
[08:28] <jbicha1> let me try, I'll be back
[08:28] <Unksi> jbicha1: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^
[08:31] <jbicha> crimsun: how do I force vesa?
[08:31] <Unksi> jbicha: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^
[08:31] <jbicha> thanks, I don't have flash installed yet
[08:32] <Unksi> yeah, im just saying if you start finding a lot of other things like that then it might be the hardware itself, as it is quite weird to have that problem with so many different browsers
[08:32] <crimsun> jbicha: probably easier to create a skeleton xorg.conf
[08:32] <Unksi> might be still with graphics drivers etc though
[08:32] <jbicha> I think in Jaunty days xforcevesa was good enough
[08:52] <jbicha> I couldn't figure out how to forcevesa, when I tried moving xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, I didn't get any display at all
[09:47] <Ng> crimsun: just installed, it doesn't work :/
[09:48] <Ng> crimsun: I think something is wrong with the logilab thing, pylint is exploding because it can't find logilab.common.modutils when doing "from logilab.common.modutils import NoSourceFile, is_python_source" in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/logilab/astng/manager.py (line 30)
[12:15] <soee> hi
[12:56] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[13:02] <soee> yo
[13:12] <BUGabundo> since exaile is totally broken on my side
[13:12] <BUGabundo> what other Music Player do you guys recommend ?
[13:14] <oldude67> well its not totem..thats for sure, i never can get it to play right.
[13:15] <BUGabundo> it was playing fine up until a few revisions
[13:15] <BUGabundo> I just upgraded to last branch, deleted all local settings
[13:15] <BUGabundo> and still it will get into a loop, when I right click a folder
[13:16] <oldude67> well i run kde so im an amarok person...but if i had to use a different one it would be mplayer.
[13:17] <BUGabundo> mplayer? to manage a 100GB music collention?
[13:17] <BUGabundo> nope
[13:17] <oldude67> well i dont have that much.lol
[13:17] <oldude67> well yet.
[13:20] <oldude67> although i have heard people talking about banshee but i havent tried it, yet.
[13:26] <jbicha> you could try bangarang if you like new, shiny things
[14:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, banshee
[14:11] <bjsnider> it's heading for default player status
[14:24]  * penguin42 is running Exaile, but with a fix for it's memory leak
[14:25]  * penguin42 eats that apostrophe
[14:27] <bjsnider> we all make mistake's
[14:31] <om26er> no updates even today?
[14:32] <om26er> transmission is not upto date in lucid and someothers too so is there a way that i might be able to upload them?
[14:39]  * penguin42 considers updating that--> box to Lucid; but I need to figure out what I need to do given it has xorg-edgers packages in
[14:40] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ask bjsnider
[14:40] <BUGabundo> he seems to have an working ppa
[14:41]  * penguin42 tickles bjsnider
[14:41] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It's my new fiddle machine - it's currently running karmic with a 2.6.33rc2 kernel and the xorg-edgers packages, but when ever I hit a Radeon problem the answer seems to be to try a newer X server (which the base intrepid has)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:43]  * bjsnider slaps penguin42 about the head and shoulders with a large carp
[14:43]  * penguin42 takes the carp
[14:44]  * bjsnider ducks
[14:44]  * penguin42 penguins
[14:44] <penguin42> bjsnider: So BUGabundo suggests asking you about updating to lucid; I've got the xorg-edgers PPAs in - is the best bet to remove the PPA from the sources and then update or what?
[14:45] <bjsnider> my ppa only deals with nvidia cards
[14:45] <penguin42> ah, hmm
[14:45] <penguin42> anything generally I should be careful of with Lucid at the moment?
[14:46] <bjsnider> regarding xorg?
[14:46] <penguin42> generally - or is it mostly OK at the moment?
[14:46] <bjsnider> no idea. i don't run lucid
[14:46] <bjsnider> this is a production machine here
[14:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOLOLOL
[14:47] <BUGabundo> penguin42: X broken
[14:47]  * penguin42 checks which channel he's in
[14:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ah, any particular form of broken?
[14:47] <yofel> no, only the nvidia X driver is broken
[14:47] <Tscheesy> penguin42: you should remove this ppa - because its thought to be used complete - but the xorg is new in Lucid...
[14:47] <bjsnider> there's no rule that says i have to run lucid to be in here
[14:47] <yofel> ok, fglrx too afaik
[14:47] <penguin42> yofel: But I assume those are both interfaces to binary drivers that have changed
[14:48] <yofel> penguin42: yes, unless you use nvidia or ati X works fine
[14:48] <penguin42> yofel: And by ati you mean the closed source ati
[14:48] <bjsnider> the nviudia blob's problem is that it needs to be rebuilt to provide xserver-xorg-video-6
[14:48] <bjsnider> instead of 5, which conflicts with ubuntu-dekstop
[14:49] <penguin42> nod, not a problem here - I'm using the open source radeon drivers
[14:49] <yofel> penguin42: yes, I don't have an ati card so I don't know more, iirc DanaG has one
[14:49] <bjsnider> i think radeon's in good shape
[14:49] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yes it is, the xedgers set I'm running at the moment, 3D works well for things like google earth
[14:50] <bjsnider> except for that pesky bug where it rm -rf's your root partition
[14:50]  * penguin42 runs do-update-release -d and hopes for the best
[14:50] <penguin42> bjsnider: Pah, that's normal
[14:50] <bjsnider> alex deucher coded that in there for the holidays as a small joke that only he gets
[14:51] <penguin42> bjsnider: As long as it doesn't actually create a black hole under the CPU I'd say it's OK for a dev release :-)
[15:01]  * penguin42 wonders if theres a way to figure out whether there are any edgers packages left after the upgrade
[15:04] <odinsbane> I've read awhile ago that Lucid was going to include 2.6.34 kernel.  Where would I check on things like that?
[15:04] <maco> 2.6.32
[15:04] <maco> 2.6.34 wont even be out yet
[15:04] <penguin42> given that .33 isn't out yet, and it's probably a bit difficult to say when 34 will land it would be hard to predict
[15:05] <maco> penguin42: apt-cache policy xorg* ?
[15:06] <penguin42> maco: Hmm interesting, I'll try it - although since I've removed the ppa from the sources I'm not sure that'll help
[15:07] <penguin42> or I will, after the update finishes
[15:07] <maxb> penguin42: apt-show-versions is what you want
[15:07] <maxb> most likely with | fgrep -v uptodate
[15:08] <penguin42> Thanks
[15:27] <bjsnider> !find Meta-2.28.typelib lucid
[15:33] <bjsnider> !find GstVideo-0.10.typelib lucid
[15:34] <penguin42> maxb: apt-show-versions works nicely (and finds 7 packages that were still from the old edgers)
[15:34] <BUGabundo> crimsun: if you have some time, I would like to start taking the headphone bug :(
[15:36] <penguin42> now the question is do I downgrade to the versions in lucid or move to the lucid version of edgers - hmm
[15:40] <bjsnider> !info gobject-introspection-repository
[15:40] <bjsnider> guhhhhh
[15:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I have a ppa for songbird and can't see any packages from it in my system
[15:41] <BUGabundo> so I guess APT DB is broken too
[15:41] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:42] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, can you search for gobject-introspection-repository plz
[15:42] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache search gobject-introspection-repositor
[15:42] <BUGabundo> ZERO
[15:43] <bjsnider> if that package does not exist in lucid, then what is this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/gobject-introspection-repository
[15:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:44] <bjsnider> i can download the package right off that site
[15:55] <bjsnider> oh, the status says "deleted"
[15:55] <bjsnider> but why was it deleted
[15:55] <bjsnider> was it superseded by something else?
[16:01]  * penguin42 reboots and hopes for the best
[16:03] <penguin42> hmm - ok, tell me about plymouth
[16:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: not working here
[16:07] <penguin42> If I try and boot a custom kernel build it gets to mountall complaining it can't speak to plymouth; and drops me to a shell
[16:07] <penguin42> last I heard on fc plymouth was something that normally lived in an initrd - is an initrd with plymouth now required?
[16:09] <om26er> penguin42, when i install plymouth intramfs is also updated
[16:09] <bjsnider> !find JSCore-1.0.typelib lucid
[16:10] <penguin42> om26er: It's a pita that you need an initrd for a custom kernel with everything built in
[16:12] <penguin42> (and booting into the Lucid kernel with the edgers X gives me a dead system - hmph)
[16:22] <penguin42> Can someone tell me what version of libdevmapper they have installed on lucid? The one I have here doesn't seem to want to talk to my 2.6.33 kernel even though the karmic version spoke to it
[16:24] <penguin42> actually scrap that
[16:57] <crimsun> Ng: hmm, looks like a problem with our pyshared
[17:01] <crimsun> Ng: I'll look at it now
[17:01] <crimsun> BUGabundo: the what bug?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> none so far
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I've digged LP and dint find one similar
[17:02] <BUGabundo> although I've hear more ppl report it
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I'll file a new one
[17:02] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I don't know what you're talking about
[17:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: alsa-base?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no stereo in head phone
[17:02] <BUGabundo> actually, sound in just ONE of the earphone
[17:03] <crimsun> file a bug
[17:03] <crimsun> It'll be a few hours before I can look anyhow
[17:03] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I've lived with it since for ever
[17:03] <BUGabundo> so I can wait
[17:08] <BUGabundo> crimsun: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/484576 Mac specific?
[17:09] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no idea; do your codecs match precisely?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I'm filling a new one
[17:09] <crimsun> sorry, I'm kinda busy with Ng's bug ATM
[17:10] <BUGabundo> crimsun: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/500828 or anyone else who can see similar prob
[17:10] <BUGabundo> crimsun: take your time, no worry
[17:13] <crimsun> Ng: sorry, no, it's because I suck
[17:14] <crimsun> Ng: fixed, uploaded. Sorry!
[17:18] <penguin42> yeh, working - somehow the upgrade managed to remove the xserver-xorg-radeon and ati packages - and for reasons I don't quite get without them it hung solid
[17:32] <om26er> !test
[17:33] <billybigrigger> is 190.35 the newest nvidia drivers?
[17:33] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to use ubuntu restricted drivers after my upgrade to 10.04
[17:34] <crimsun> billybigrigger: that's due to an ABI bump in the X server
[17:34] <crimsun> the current restricted Nvidia drivers in the repo are incompatible
[17:34] <billybigrigger> how about from nvidia.com
[17:34] <crimsun> bjsnider has a separate PPA if you'd like to use those
[17:34] <billybigrigger> i've seen posts that they work
[17:35] <billybigrigger> sure, what's the ppa crimsun
[17:35] <yofel> the nvidia drivers from xorg edgers and nvidia vdpau ppa work
[17:35] <bjsnider> the stable version is 190.53
[17:35] <crimsun> ~nvidia-vdpau
[17:35] <crimsun> I recommend only pulling the necessary debs by hand
[17:35] <billybigrigger> oooh
[17:36] <billybigrigger> since when was nano color coded? :P
[17:36] <billybigrigger> just looking at my sources, i just remembered the upgraded disabled my 3rd party sources...and i think i already have nvidia-vdpau
[17:36] <billybigrigger> # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid
[17:36] <billybigrigger> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid
[17:36] <crimsun> BUGabundo: hum, unfortunately your codec wasn't changed at all :(
[17:36] <billybigrigger> is it nvidia or ~nvidia?
[17:37] <crimsun> billybigrigger: ~ is the LP username. The PPA entry has no tilde.
[17:37] <billybigrigger> fair enough
[17:37] <billybigrigger> so is nano color coding new to lucid?
[17:37] <crimsun> billybigrigger: the syntax addition is.
[17:37] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I'll need you to retest if you have time.
[17:38] <BUGabundo> crimsun: sure... later tonigh
[17:38] <BUGabundo> now I'm listing to music :)
[17:38] <billybigrigger> 190.53-0ubuntu1 is latest you say?
[17:39] <yofel> billybigrigger: stable yes
[17:39] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, hey ya old bastard merry ho ho and happy new year! :P
[17:39] <billybigrigger> cool, there's one problem down
[17:39] <billybigrigger> now just to sort out grub
[17:47] <CosmiChaos> what is wrong with the ugly gridded notify-osd and howto remove that?
[17:47] <crimsun> the grid is intentional as is the urgency
[17:48] <crimsun> anyone around with an Analog Devices HDA or Realtek HDA codec?
[17:48] <penguin42> hmm
[17:49] <penguin42> crimsun: Realtek ALC861 do?
[17:51] <crimsun> penguin42: sure, please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[17:51] <crimsun> penguin42: if you have a few moments I'd appreciate your testing some powerdown fixes
[17:52] <penguin42> crimsun: The machine with that on is still running Karmic - does that matter?
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: it'll involve downloading, compiling, and installing a new alsa-kernel
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: no, Ubuntu release does not matter
[17:52] <penguin42> ok, I can do builds
[17:52] <penguin42> just let me get you your paste data
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: if you want, to be safe, first do: aptitude download linux-image-$(uname -r)
[17:54] <penguin42> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/347686/
[17:54] <penguin42> crimsun: For ref this is a Toshiba Equium A100 laptop
[17:56] <crimsun> penguin42: are you using any model quirk?
[17:56] <crimsun> (in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf)
[17:57] <penguin42> let me just check, I have in the past
[17:57] <penguin42> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N - so no model quirk
[17:59] <crimsun> penguin42: is patch_realtek.c using bios autoprobe according to dmesg?
[17:59] <penguin42> crimsun: That seems to be running a customer <IP_ADDRESS> build I did a while ago, if you like I can boot it into karmic 2.6.31-17, or just tell me what you ned to try
[18:00] <penguin42> crimsun: dmesg|grep real is showing me nothing
[18:01] <crimsun> grep -i auto
[18:02] <penguin42> ah yes, [   24.628848] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[18:03]  * penguin42 tries to remember the name of the package that allows you to easily build packages in a chroot
[18:04] <maxb> pbuilder / cowbuilder
[18:04] <penguin42> ah yeh pbuilder
[18:06] <maxb> Does anyone know what's responsible for managing hard disc power management settings in Lucid, now laptop-mode-tools are gone?
[18:06] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, what do you need me to test?
[18:08] <crimsun> maxb: pm-utils-powersave-policy
[18:08] <crimsun> penguin42: sec
[18:08] <crimsun> penguin42: please download http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2
[18:08] <crimsun> just adding your id ATM
[18:09] <penguin42> got it
[18:10] <maxb> crimsun: Ah.... which seems to delegate back to /etc/hdparm.conf in the end ... right :-)
[18:11] <maxb> Another round of chase-the-config-file over :-)
[18:14] <presshot> hi
[18:14] <presshot> will 10.04 be i686 optimized ?
[18:14] <BUGabundo> no more then usual presshot
[18:15] <BUGabundo> its 586 I think
[18:15] <BUGabundo> ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:15] <presshot> and 9.10 was i486 ?
[18:15] <BUGabundo> no
[18:15] <presshot> 386 ?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> 586 I think
[18:16] <billybigrigger> has the keycombo for switching vt's changed?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> ho ho ho billybigrigger
[18:16] <billybigrigger> ctrl-alt fX ???
[18:16] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: howdy
[18:16] <penguin42> crimsun: So do you just want me to build that alsa set?
[18:17] <presshot> ok
[18:17] <billybigrigger> or is switching vt's in recovery mode disabled for some reason?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> recovery?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> yeah, broken x
[18:17] <BUGabundo> did recovery ever had more then on TTY ?
[18:18] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: don't know, i usually don't spend much time in recovery mode :P
[18:18] <BUGabundo> so how can you tell its broken?
[18:18] <billybigrigger> which is pretty stupid, can't get irc support and have a terminal at the same time :P
[18:19] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: startx brings up a black screen, and trying a normal boot, i can get passed grub to a black screen
[18:19] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Two machines!
[18:19] <billybigrigger> penguin42: not everyone has 2 machines :P
[18:19] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Interesting, what graphics card do you have ?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: broken X
[18:19] <billybigrigger> nvidia :( just upgraded to 195.35
[18:19] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[18:19] <BUGabundo> byyeeeee
[18:19] <billybigrigger> i noticed in my xorg.conf that Driver "nvidia" was commented out, so i uncommented, but found the same results
[18:20] <billybigrigger> 190.53 or 35 can't remember, whatever is newest from nvidia-vdpau ppa
[18:20] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: should i just revert to vesa?
[18:21] <billybigrigger> penguin42: graphics card is a 9800 gtx+
[18:21] <penguin42> billybigrigger: So just check you have all the appropriate xserver-xorg-* packages installed - for some reason on upgrade I lost the -ati and -radeon ones that my Radeon needs, and whatever the default one was hung
[18:22] <billybigrigger> well can anyone confirm that x.53 from the nvidia-vdpau ppa is actually working?
[18:23] <yofel> billybigrigger: me
[18:23] <billybigrigger> yofel: fair enough
[18:23] <billybigrigger> will check my xserver-xorg-* packages, and if nothing i guess i'll have to revert to vesa
[18:23] <billybigrigger> any other suggestions?
[18:24] <billybigrigger> no? okies
[18:24] <billybigrigger> ill be back then
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: no
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: please apply http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-realtek/powerdown.diff on top of that extracted tarball
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: then, ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3 && sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound
[18:30] <billybigrigger> nv and nvidia are both busted
[18:30] <billybigrigger> seems i have the needed xserver-xorg-driver and -video packages
[18:30] <billybigrigger> vesa works though thank god
[18:31] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, I'm just going to boot back into a standard ubuntu kernel with the headers and everything in the standard place before I do that
[18:31] <penguin42> brb
[18:32] <yoasif> anyone feel like confirming this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/500840 simple help issue
[18:40] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, so that's built and apparently installed - has it just loaded the modules it's built or what do you want me to test?
[18:42] <natewiebe131> is plymouth planned to work with nvidia/ati? or just intel?
[18:42] <crimsun> penguin42: you need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf first
[18:42] <bjsnider> crimsun, why should people only pull the necessary debs out of the nvidia ppa by hand?
[18:42] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, what does it need
[18:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: generally recommending everything in a PPA is a bad idea
[18:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: I don't recommend stuff I haven't tested
[18:43] <bjsnider> crimsun, well played, number six...
[18:43] <crimsun> penguin42: remove the power_save_controller=N
[18:44] <bjsnider> crimsun, aren't  you using the awesome nv driver, with its unbreakable 2d desktop?
[18:44] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes
[18:44] <crimsun> (I have more than one machine with NVidia hw)
[18:44] <penguin42> crimsun: OK so just leave it as   options snd-hda-intel power_save=10  ?
[18:44] <crimsun> penguin42: yes
[18:45] <penguin42> ok, done
[18:45] <crimsun> penguin42: have you disabled PA autospawn?
[18:45] <BUGabundo> once NV gives me 3D, and it keeps up with X abi bumps I'm fine with it
[18:45] <crimsun> penguin42: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf
[18:45] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that isn't the point
[18:45] <crimsun> nv will never be a good driver
[18:46] <natewiebe131> how is nouveau?
[18:46] <bjsnider> you were saying you loved it last week
[18:46] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, done (Isn't >> easier than | tee -a ? )
[18:46] <crimsun> bjsnider: I do love it because it works
[18:46] <crimsun> penguin42: I'm used to using sudo, so >> wouldn't work
[18:47] <penguin42> ah right
[18:47] <BUGabundo> ok, so NV isn't for 3D, how  is nouveau ?
[18:47] <penguin42> ok, so that's done
[18:47] <penguin42> I've killed pulse with a pactl exit
[18:47] <crimsun> bjsnider: however, I'm not an idiot. Clearly nv is not a usable driver for 99.99% of peole.
[18:47] <crimsun> people*
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload
[18:48] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?
[18:48] <penguin42> crimsun: DOne, but there still seem to be a bunch of snd modules loaded
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: again
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: if necessary, modprobe -r manually
[18:50] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, lsmod | grep snd   is now empty
[18:51] <crimsun> penguin42: ok, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[18:51] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, seems to have loaded  [  996.295052] hda_codec: ALC861: BIOS auto-probing.
[18:52] <crimsun> penguin42: start-pulseaudio-x11
[18:52] <crimsun> then, pactl stat
[18:52] <penguin42> crimsun: looks good Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo  Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
[18:53] <crimsun> penguin42: can you verify that the controller does not emit a pop when it powers down or up?
[18:53] <crimsun> (after 10 idle seconds)
[18:53] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, let me first test that I have some basic sound
[18:54] <crimsun> you might have to turn up the volume really loud to hear it
[18:54] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, yes
[18:55] <bjsnider> have you got a console?
[18:56] <penguin42> crimsun: I didn't hear any pops
[18:56] <crimsun> penguin42: great, thanks. Do you mind me adding you to Tested-by?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> there's a list of All of Fame ?!?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:57] <crimsun> penguin42: i.e., Tested-by: you <e-mail>
[18:57] <penguin42> crimsun: Let me give it one more try - I'm just going to test it on an external amp - to get it to idle do I just need to make sure there is nothing playing, or do I need to actually kill pa again?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> crimsun: so are we dumping the powerdown ?
[18:57] <crimsun> BUGabundo: eh?
[18:57] <crimsun> penguin42: just play nothing for 10 seconds
[18:58] <crimsun> BUGabundo: what will likely happen is that our kernel team won't backport the fixes, so I'll just disable powerdown completely in alsa-base.conf
[18:59] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahha
[18:59] <crimsun> BUGabundo: it's understandable; these are fairly invasive changes
[18:59] <penguin42> crimsun: Yeh, I'm good with that - sign it off as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please
[18:59] <crimsun> there will be a linux-backports-modules-
[19:00] <crimsun> alsa-lucid-generic that will have the powerdown fixes
[19:00] <crimsun> penguin42: thanks
[19:00] <penguin42> crimsun: No problem
[19:01] <penguin42> crimsun: Incidentally, I've just got a machine that has a VIA VT1708S on - seems to work a charm
[19:02] <bjsnider> isn't via typically hostile to linux?
[19:03] <penguin42> bjsnider: It's a via codec on an Intel HDA thingy
[19:03] <crimsun> bjsnider: no
[19:03] <penguin42> bjsnider: I've not used via enough to know
[19:03] <crimsun> VIA has come a *long* way in terms of FOSS-friendliness
[19:04] <crimsun> many thanks to the work of the incredible Harald Welte
[19:04] <crimsun> if you don't know who he is, you should
[19:04] <penguin42> crimsun: Only weird thing I had (since it's got 5.1 etc) is that if I have the drop down in the sound settings and have it plugged into the centre audio socket I can hear a lot of high frequency artifacts, if I just set it as stero it's OK
[19:04] <bjsnider> so how many are left that are hostile? creative, broadcom...
[19:05] <crimsun> penguin42: yes, known issue
[19:05] <bjsnider> lexmark
[19:05] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm curious about trying it's 192 ksample rate and trying some software radio on it - but that would take some effort I probably won't get around to
[19:06] <belal1> is there any screenshots of the latest lucid release?
[19:06] <crimsun> penguin42: you sure you don't want your name associated with that Tested-by?
[19:06] <crimsun> (it's fine if you don't; the e-mail's there)
[19:06] <penguin42> crimsun: Oh, I forgot about that :-) Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[19:07] <crimsun> done
[19:07] <crimsun> ok, I'll push this one now
[19:10]  * penguin42 goes to get some food
[19:10] <penguin42> crimsun: If you need anything else testing on there just bounce me a mail
[19:11] <crimsun> penguin42: I need additional testers with different Realtek codecs (:
[19:12] <bjsnider> crimsun, what does "codec" refer to in that context?
[19:25] <crimsun> bjsnider: a codec, of course. There's only one definition of a codec, really.
[19:26] <crimsun> bjsnider: in this instance, the HDA codec handles routing. It's still encoding and decoding.
[20:20] <penguin42> crimsun: It's kind of surprising so many vendors bothered producing an almost identical device just with more curious and devious broken bits
[20:21] <crimsun> welcome to my world.
[20:27] <penguin42> I wonder if there is a document anywhere along the lines of 'Linux for motherboard designers'
[20:28] <BUGabundo> lololol
[20:28] <oldude67> crimsun, is that the intel ICH family?
[20:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'm not joking - ditto for peripheral chip designers
[20:29] <crimsun> oldude67: has nothing to do with ICH
[20:29] <crimsun> oldude67: ICH is just a name for a particular chipset
[20:29] <crimsun> you can implement HDA codecs on just about any chipset
[20:29] <crimsun> Analog Devices was the first; it hooked an HDA into a legacy mainboard system
[20:29] <crimsun> that was a nightmare.
[20:30] <penguin42> crimsun: Another one to watch out for, I don't know if you've already hit - my case came with two plugs for the lead to the front panel - one was HD-audio, the other was legacy-audio - I bet 50% of home built machines have the wrong one in the board
[20:34] <crimsun> penguin42: I don't know what you mean by that
[20:35] <bjsnider> penguin42, i know what you mean by that
[20:35] <bjsnider> crimsun, sorry, i didn't mena that to sound flippant
[20:35] <penguin42> crimsun: I bought a case and motherboard on my new machine separately; the sockets on the back are soldered directly to the motherboard; but the board also has an 8ish pin header for audio; the case has a lead for the two jacks on the front of the case - this lead has two different 8ish pin plugs on it to go in said socket in motherboard
[20:36] <bjsnider> penguin42, you have to know what you're doing when you assemble the hardware
[20:36] <bjsnider> and the bios settings have top be correct. there's nothing crimsun can do about that kind of situation
[20:37] <penguin42> bjsnider: Well yes :-)  That was the only thing which caused me to have to think, hadn't seen that before - and there was a cryptic badly labelled diagram on a 1x4cm piece of paper inside the case bag with the screws
[20:37] <bjsnider> pengqthey are always badly labelled and documented. it's a consequence of this stuff all coming out of the little dragons
[20:38] <penguin42> bjsnider: It took me about 15mins of looking at that, together with the wiring and comparing it to the slightly better drawn diagram in the motherboard manual
[20:38] <bjsnider> those are situations where you have both ac97 and hda hardware ont he same board and you are presented with a choice
[20:39] <crimsun> penguin42: yes, those are compatibility toggles
[20:39] <penguin42> is there any sane reason why they decided to wire the two differently?
[20:40] <bjsnider> why even offer both options?
[20:40] <bjsnider> obviously everybody's going to pick hda
[20:40] <crimsun> no, not everyone
[20:40] <crimsun> the HDA feature set is unspecified
[20:40] <bjsnider> and the headers on the board are side by side and poorly labelled
 billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?
[20:40] <crimsun> it's completely up to the codec and controller manufacturer(s) to write that
[20:41] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, you have a workaround?
[20:41] <penguin42> do they have presence detect for the sockets and do they come through to the software ?
[20:41] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, possibly. have you got a console?
[20:41] <crimsun> in HDA, all jack detection is done in software
[20:41] <crimsun> in AC'97, it's unspecified
[20:42] <crimsun> (can be hw or sw)
[20:42] <penguin42> how can the sw do it?
[20:42] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, i'm in x now, using the vesa driver
[20:42] <bjsnider> i just think the choice of the two adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and opportunity for mistakes
[20:42] <crimsun> penguin42: you write a callback in the driver that reads a NID
[20:42] <penguin42> NID?
[20:42] <crimsun> node id
[20:43] <penguin42> is that a register somewhere?
[20:43] <crimsun> well, techincally it's a pin widget in a nid
[20:43] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, open a console and type in dkms status
[20:43] <crimsun> essentially, yes.
[20:43] <billybigrigger> i think the dkms module installed fine, from when i upgraded from ppa
[20:43] <billybigrigger> i could be wrong
[20:43] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 190.53, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[20:43] <bjsnider> let's make sure of that
[20:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: of course, but that isn't a problem if your mainboard ships with an OS that supports only one of those feature sets
[20:43] <penguin42> anyone running kvm on Intrepid?
[20:44] <crimsun> if, OTOH, you like to go poking in register space because your OS allows (perhaps even encourages) it, you can see all sorts of really screwed up OEM decisions
[20:44] <bjsnider> crimsun, yes but my board is relatively new and has that option. surely xp/vista/win 7 can all run hda fine
[20:44] <bjsnider> or maybe not
[20:44] <crimsun> bjsnider: there are *tons* of mainboards that ship with them
[20:45] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, i thought you'd installed the 195 driver
[20:45] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, i thought i did too
[20:45] <bjsnider> install nvidia-glx-195
[20:45] <bjsnider> i'm not 100% sure the 190 driver works
[20:46] <bjsnider> crimsun, that ship with both ac97 and hda?
[20:46] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:46] <billybigrigger> 190 was installed
[20:46] <billybigrigger> installing 195 now
[20:46] <billybigrigger> 195.30-0ubuntu1
[20:47] <bjsnider> afterwards make sure the 195 module is installed by re-running the dkms command
[20:47] <billybigrigger> will i loose vdpau?
[20:47] <billybigrigger> Removing nvidia-190-libvdpau
[20:47] <bjsnider> you don't have it yet. not with vesa
[20:47] <billybigrigger> i had it in 9.10
[20:47] <bjsnider> that package is deprecated
[20:48] <bjsnider> libvdpau is now separate
[20:48] <billybigrigger> this might be offtopic, but anyone know when vlc will have vdpau support built in?
[20:48] <bjsnider> i'm working on it
[20:48] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 195.30, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[20:48] <bjsnider> i need to refresh ffmpeg but it's broken right now
[20:48] <billybigrigger> aight, well that was simple enough, thanks bjsnider
[20:48] <billybigrigger> will try a reboot
[20:48] <bjsnider> enable it in the xorg.conf file
[20:48] <billybigrigger> nvidia right
[20:49] <billybigrigger> not nv
[20:49] <bjsnider> right
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I wish pidgin allowed to change nick collours
[20:49] <BUGabundo> having billybigrigger in PINK sucks :(
[20:49]  * billybigrigger still wonders why "nvidia" was commented out on my upgrade
[20:49] <billybigrigger> yeah, pink isn't my color
[20:49] <billybigrigger> anywho
[20:49] <billybigrigger> brb, i hope
[20:50] <bjsnider> works for everybody else
[20:50] <billybigrigger> alt-k-sysreq won't do for this change will it? i need a complete reboot
[20:50] <billybigrigger> nvm, dumb question
[20:50] <bjsnider> i might even flea power the thing
[20:57] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes
[21:01] <bjsnider> i still don't see why OS feature support would be an issue this many years after hda's creation
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, still booting to low graphics mode
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> using "nvidia" driver
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> dkms status reports installed
[21:01] <bjsnider> anything crazy in your xorg.conf file?
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> yeah
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> segfault after loading "ramdac"
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> ill paste
[21:02] <bjsnider> you didn't use the nvidia-xconfig command way back when did you?
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> nope
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> maybe back in karmic
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> sudo nvidia-xconfig, had to run it as root to get it to save my config, running dual monitors
[21:03] <bjsnider> that command should never be used
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> well i was in karmic, only my 1 display works now
[21:04] <bjsnider> it creates a parochial xorg.conf
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> start with a skeleton xorg then is what your saying?
[21:04] <bjsnider> just use mine
[21:04] <bjsnider> let me see yours first
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> k, throw me a link
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> you want my log and .conf? or just my .conf?
[21:04] <bjsnider> .conf
[21:05] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/f16c69a61
[21:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i have the 190 driver with 7600gt card
[21:06] <crimsun> bjsnider: life sucks. Such is the life of a hardware enabler/kernel hacker.
[21:06] <crimsun> actually life doesn't suck, but it sure makes one wonder WTH OEMs are smoking
[21:07] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, it says update-manger commented stuff out during an upgrade
[21:07] <bjsnider> bilylet's just try a basic one and see if the driver works. then you can try to rebuild the dual monitors thing afterwards, k?
[21:09] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, http://pastebin.com/d580677db
[21:09] <bjsnider> very simple file
[21:10] <bjsnider> crimsun, i'm going to call the CEO of the creative corporation and say "daniel t. chen would like to know what you're smoking, sir"
[21:11] <crimsun> bjsnider: I and many others have already corresponded with their engineering dept
[21:11] <crimsun> i.e., "if you sign an NDA, we'll give you data sheets"
[21:13] <bjsnider> if there was a programmer's union, and its policy was that no members would ever sign an NDA...
[21:13] <crimsun> many of us don't sign NDAs for other reasons
[21:13] <penguin42> although in their case I suspect it's their problem, with some vendors the problem is that they've licensed hardware from other people
[21:14] <crimsun> nearly all the components are subcontracted these days
[21:14] <bjsnider> well, creative does pay for a DTS license i think
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, i still get low graphics mode from your xorg.conf
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> but i think that's because we didn't define any resolutions
[21:25] <bjsnider> ok, where's the log?
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> it's different errors nwo
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> now
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> but ill paste it
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/f2999b0ba
[21:26] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, lines 26 and 27
[21:27] <bjsnider> you put a number 0 in there when it shouldn't be
[21:27]  * penguin42 wonders if there is a way to stop screenlock during fullscreen flash
[21:30] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, all is good now
[21:31] <bjsnider> yeah, so now you can try to get that dual monitors setup put back, possibly with nvidia-xconfig, but if it doesn't work you'll know why
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> i can just add it what i want my hand i guess
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> if you say nvidia-xconfig should never be used
[21:32] <bjsnider> they don't document when they make changes to it
[21:32] <bjsnider> so maybe it works, maybe not
[21:33] <bjsnider> but you can always go back to the simple xorg.conf if it doesn't (which jockey creates if you use that)
[21:41] <billybigrigger_> don't even know what jockey is
[21:42] <bjsnider> the "hardware drivers" administrative program
[21:42] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[21:52] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you're using the 190 driver with lucid?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[21:53] <BluesKaj> on my desktop
[21:53] <bjsnider> where did you get the driver?
[21:53] <BluesKaj> launchpad ppa i think
[21:53] <bjsnider> so it's not the driver in the lucid repos
[21:57] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, might be now, not sure
[22:00] <BUGabundo> what's the package that has PDF printing support that replace cups-pdf ??
[22:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm, so I've got the current Lucid upgrade in - but there isn't actually much noticeably different - is there anything cute/new/worth noticing?
[23:02] <billybigrigger_> what's up with the notification bubble?
[23:02] <bjsnider> not for a couple of weeks
[23:02] <bjsnider> there hasn't really been an autosync with upstream debian yet
[23:03] <bjsnider> the multimedia packages can't be refreshed because ffmpeg is broken
[23:03] <billybigrigger_> mine has like an orange grid around it and some weird blue writing at the top, low - report incorrect urgency?
[23:03] <bjsnider> i think that's a known issue
[23:04] <billybigrigger_> http://imagebin.ca/view/gpO0b2g.html
[23:04] <billybigrigger_> known ^^^
[23:10] <Ng> crimsun: thank you very much, pylint is now functioning normally :D
[23:14] <yofel> penguin42: if you want something new and shiny use kde, but other than that there isn't much new in lucid yet afaik
[23:15] <yofel> ah, we do have plymouth in the  repos
[23:15] <cdE|Woozy> which isn't working atm :)
[23:15] <yofel> heh
[23:16] <penguin42> yofel: Hohum, I'm running the xorg-edgers set for Lucid anyway and that's getting me working Radeon 3d with kms (on a 33rc2 kernel) so I'm happy
[23:17] <crimsun> Ng: excellent
[23:19] <yoasif> there's a new kernel with more fixes and breakage
[23:19] <yoasif> ;)
[23:20] <penguin42> yoasif: It's always good to have a bit of variety!
[23:20] <yoasif> heh yeah
[23:20] <yoasif> the mainline kernel added suspend for my laptop
[23:20] <yoasif> but the ubuntu kernel removed support for my webcam
[23:21] <crimsun> get that webcam support merged into mainline, then
[23:21] <penguin42> yoasif: If an ubuntu kernel broke it then thats a bug - it might be possible to find which patch broke it
[23:21] <yoasif> penguin42: the mainline kernel doesn't have support for the webcam, but the karmic kernel did
[23:22] <penguin42> ah
[23:25] <yoasif> need to report that asap, reported the suspend issue already
[23:25] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:25] <yoasif> hi
[23:26] <sebsebseb> yoasif: hi
[23:26] <penguin42> yoasif: Suspend is black magic; 5th circle of hell; one down from hibernation
[23:26] <yoasif> penguin42: it's supposed to work :P
[23:26] <penguin42> yoasif: So's the economy
[23:26] <yoasif> thankfully it works in mainline now
[23:26] <yoasif> so as long as ubuntu kernel devs remove their hack :)
[23:27] <yoasif> penguin42: really? i thought it was more like a "hope it works, doesn't really matter too much if it does because the guys on top (who control it) will be ok anyway"
[23:28] <penguin42> yoasif: Well there are two forms of skeptical answer to this 1) There's no one really in control   2) The guys who package the kernels machines probably work great :-)
[23:29] <yoasif> penguin42: the monied interests that elect politicians and finance wars and stuff, that's what i mean
[23:29] <yoasif> there is no conspiracy because there doesn't need to be
[23:31] <yoasif> interesting, PGO has been enabled in FF upstream in ff 3.7
[23:31] <penguin42> PGO?
[23:31] <yoasif> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520704
[23:32] <penguin42> what is PGO?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> yoasif: not sure
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I lost track
[23:32] <yoasif> profile guided optimization, it should make firefox faster
[23:33] <yoasif> supposedly one of the reasons that windows ff is faster than linux ff
[23:33] <yoasif> my firefox is still lagging, but i have 100 tabs open
[23:33] <yoasif> :/
[23:34] <bjsnider> chromium is the fastest i think i've used on linux
[23:34] <penguin42> ah ok, they'replaying that game
[23:34] <yoasif> yeah chromium is fast
[23:34] <bjsnider> and i like the each-page-is-its -own-thread philosophy
[23:34]  * penguin42 hits yoasif with the 'you aren't supposed to keep the entire internet in your browser' trout
[23:34] <crimsun> penguin42: oh, can you verify that suspend and resume work properly with that patch?
[23:35] <crimsun> penguin42: meaning "sound works properly with suspend-to-ram and resume"
[23:36] <penguin42> hmm, so assuming I haven't done anything I shoiuld just play some sound, suspend, resume and see if it still plays?
[23:36] <crimsun> yes
[23:36] <crimsun> I suspect that I'll need to modify my code sooner or later to pass a NID struct
[23:36] <crimsun> (rather than just enabling powersavings for Front and PCM)
[23:37] <yoasif> crimsun: my laptop's sound works great now... karmic was a great release, thanks for your help :)
[23:37] <yoasif> any ideas on where to get some help with mplayer-nogui?
[23:38] <crimsun> yoasif: which specific help?
[23:38] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, so I'm going to suspend and resume this box - if you're really lucky I'll keep my connection :-)
[23:39] <crimsun> freenode has a ridiculously long timeout
[23:39] <yoasif> crimsun: crackling with pulseaudio mostly, there were also some headphone autosense help
[23:39] <crimsun> yoasif: are you using the pulse output or the alsa output (of mplayer)?
[23:39] <crimsun> yoasif: and, autosense?
[23:40] <yoasif> crimsun: currently using pulse... i think it has something to do with 5.1 surround sound
[23:40] <penguin42> crimsun: Looks good
[23:40] <yoasif> vlc plays the file fine, but i don't know how to troubleshoot it
[23:40] <crimsun> penguin42: excellent
[23:41]  * crimsun cherrypicks and pushes
[23:45] <yoasif> anyone have any idea what may be happening here? http://pastebin.com/m10587f7
[23:46] <penguin42> yoasif: Sure it's an MPEG2 stream? is it just an MPEG2 video rather than a transport stream etc
[23:47] <yoasif> penguin42: supposedly it is x264 2pass @ 10050 Kbps
[23:47] <yoasif> i can pull it up in vlc and see what it says
[23:49] <yoasif> penguin42: vlc says it is avc1, with dts audio
[23:50]  * penguin42 doesn't know what one of those is
[23:51] <yoasif> avc1 is h264, which should be supported by vdpau
[23:53] <Sarvatt> yoasif: what command are you running it with?
[23:53] <billybigrigger_> yoasif, do you have a link to the video clip for us to test?
[23:53] <yoasif> Sarvatt: just mplayer but i have a customized config file, one sec
[23:54] <yoasif> Sarvatt: config file: http://pastebin.com/m6faa6810
[23:54] <yoasif> billybigrigger_: i can try to create one using avidemux i think
[23:55] <BUGabundo> hey Sarvatt
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> yoasif, vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,
[23:56] <Sarvatt> heyo BUGabundo!
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> is all i have in my ~/.mplayer/config
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> mind you now that i think of it, if i use mplayer, it's smplayer (front end)
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> mostly vlc though
[23:57] <bjsnider> yoasif, is this a trusted fie? i mean maybe it was ripped incorrectly
[23:57] <yoasif> billybigrigger you think i should get rid of the -vo?
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> no, -vo specifies to use vdpau
[23:58] <billybigrigger_> have you tried smplayer? i use it for my hi def movies and uses smplayer fine, but it's just a front end...so something in your mplayer config is still wrong, as i think smplayer uses it's own config
[23:58] <yoasif> hmm
[23:58] <yoasif> alright, i'll give smplayer a shot
[23:58] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer is good too
[23:58] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, is that the same as gmplayer?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:59] <yoasif> bjsnider: gnome-mplayer was buggy for me when i used it :
[23:59] <BUGabundo> so many names
[23:59] <yoasif> :/
[23:59] <BUGabundo> mplayer, gmplayer, smplayer, totem, vlc
[23:59] <BUGabundo> I use totem for most
[23:59] <BUGabundo> vlc for FULL HD
[23:59] <BUGabundo> and mplayer for quick debug
[23:59]  * billybigrigger_ can't wait for vdpau in vlc


[12:07] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell
[12:09] <Diablo-D3> is it a known bug that the gtk theme selector doesn't list anything but qt and raleigh?
[12:33] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: here does list all
[12:34] <Tm_T> bah, sleep ->
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> Meh.
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> it wont for me =/
[01:04] <Diablo-D3> http://insidethedotnet.blogspot.com/2005/11/next-sucks.html
[01:27] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: gtk theme selector lists qt?  cool
[01:47] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: the one in kcontrol =P
[01:51] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: maybe that's the only themes you have
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: no, I have others installed
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[10:02] <Verwilst> yoyo
[10:02] <Verwilst> Riddell?
[10:02] <Verwilst> http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-banner.png
[10:02] <Verwilst> what site did you use to make this?
[10:02] <Verwilst> i was there once, but i forgot, and i want to make a few of those myself :(
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> I think I have that in my bookmarks
[10:02] <Verwilst> oooh!
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> http://gtmcknight.com/buttons/index.php
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> follow the links off that page
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> he links to two or three sites that do that
[10:04] <Verwilst> yes! thanks!!
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I just realized something
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I may, infact, have all the interesting parts of the net in my bookmarks
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I have significantly increased the startup time of firefox due to the size of my bookmarks
[10:06] <Verwilst> lol
[10:21] <bobuse> Hi there ! How does adept go to admin mode ? I want to allow to adept to be launched without password, but adept isn't launched with sudo command but with kdesu
[10:22] <bobuse> I've looked at sources ( http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept/manager/app.cpp?rev=465064&view=markup ), but found nothing :-(
[10:35] <tvo> bobuse: you say it, it goes to admin mode via kdesu..
[10:35] <bobuse> ok, but I want to bypass the password dialog box, how can I do ?
[10:36] <tvo> there's a keep password checkmark on the dialog, but I've never used it
[10:36] <tvo> if that doesn't work then I don't know..
[10:37] <bobuse> I've added /usr/bin/adept in sudoers with NOPASSWD
[10:37] <bobuse> but it works only when I run adept in a term by "sudo adept"
[10:38] <bobuse> tvo: the checkbox doesn't work through session
[10:38] <tvo> ah
[10:42] <Verwilst> alias kdesu='sudo' ? :)
[10:43] <hunger_> Any KDE updates planned for dapper?
[10:43] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php
[10:43] <Tm_T> there's something mentioned
[10:46] <hunger_> Tm_T: I am stuck with a horrbly broken desktop since the qt update in dapper. It would be great if some fixes would make it into that distribution, too
[10:47] <hunger_> Oh, the stuff is waiting for the C++ transition.
[10:47] <Tm_T> hum
[10:47] <Tm_T> I have all working fine
[10:47] <Tm_T> dapper and 3.5RC1
[10:47] <hunger_> Good, I can understand that:-)
[10:48] <hunger_> Tm_T: I'm at dapper plus beta2.
[10:48] <Tm_T> then use RC1
[10:48] <hunger_> Tm_T: Thanks for the tip.I'll do that (even though I had hoped not having to use non-dapper repositories).
[10:52] <Tm_T> heh
[11:15] <freeflying> Tm_T: can you make akregtor(from kde3.5rc1) work in dapper
[11:15] <Tm_T> well, I compile kdepim myself
[11:15] <Tm_T> from svn
[11:15] <Tm_T> and is working just fine
[02:54] <lamont-away> Riddell: kdeaddons_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 needs ICE-love
[02:55] <Riddell> lamont-away: which it will get with the 3.5 upload due after the libstdc++ transition, but I can do a 3.4.3 upload if you want
[02:55] <lamont-away> no worries - if it's just going to change and all that, it can wait a week
[02:55] <lamont-away> although I might forget and upload it.... :-)
[03:16] <lamont-away> Riddell: fwiw, kdebluetooth also ICE
[03:17] <lamont-away> and amarok
[03:36] <\sh> amarok needs more love then only ICE
[03:36] <\sh> or I will remove again the libvisual support
[03:41] <Riddell> \sh: couldn't get libvisual working?
[03:42] <\sh> Riddell: well..libvisual is failing on ppc
[03:43] <\sh> Riddell: and libvisual-plugins is broken like hell...not worth it to fix it by ourselves...I checked with fedora and they removed half of the shiny stuff
[03:44] <\sh> but for amarok we do need libvisual on our 3 main platforms...and libvisual-plugins for the "funny sparkeling and jumping pixels while u are listening to tekkno and using extasy"
[03:46] <\sh> which means...fixing libvisual is 1st prio..(i need some ppc to work and test) and libvisual we could send to universe
[03:50] <Riddell> does libvisual do anything without libvisual-plugins?
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: lets say it like this: libvisual-plugins are not doing anything without libvisual...
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: and without libvisual-plugins, the libvisual support in amarok is useless
[03:53] <\sh> but thinking about it now...we could bring amarok-1.3.5 or what ever amarok is out there now to dapper without libvisual{-plugins} and waiting to have working libvisual plugins for dapper +1
[03:54] <\sh> smoking...brb
[04:04] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/tvon  who's that?  in katapult-dev team
[04:04] <Riddell> not tvo?
[04:04] <Riddell> no
[04:11] <tvo> no
[04:13] <tvo> is there a katapult dev team on launchpad?
[04:13] <Riddell> apparantly there is :)
[04:13] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev
[04:18] <\sh> Riddell: what do u think about removing libvisual support from amarok and do it for dapper+1?
[04:19] <Riddell> \sh: fine with me :)
[04:20] <\sh> Riddell: ok...I'll prepare some packages :)
[04:20] <jjesse> Riddell can you edit the members of that team in launchpad?  it says mine has expired?
[04:20] <\sh> or actually we can wait after c++ trans and kde3.5 uploads
[04:21] <Riddell> jjesse: which team?
[07:24] <Tonio_> hi all
[07:25] <jjesse> hello
[07:26] <author-psi> hi
[08:08] <alleeHol> Tonio_: what's the status of yukuake?
[08:10] <Tonio_> alleelast version is uploaded to dapper
[08:10] <Tonio_> alleeHol:
[08:10] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[08:10] <alleeHol> np
[08:11] <Tonio_> so we're up to date
[08:11] <alleeHol> well, then I had a typo.  Question is had you an wnpp submitted?  Background: anja just commited a version for debian :(
[08:12] <Tonio_> wnpp ? what does this mean ?
[08:12] <alleeHol> hmm nothing: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=yukuake
[08:13] <Tonio_> alleeHol: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=yakuake&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[08:13] <alleeHol> http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp   # this is the pseudo pkg used to submit ITP RFS and RTP ;)
[08:14] <Tonio_> okay
[08:15] <alleeHol> Tonio_ I'll write anja to contact you about yukuake
[08:15] <Tonio_> yep
[08:16] <alleeHol> Tonio_: If you've any other pkgs only in kubuntu it would be nice if you could submit RFS (request for sponsor) to wnpp pkg.  Wnpp is normaly the first place a debian devel check before starting pkging
[08:16] <alleeHol> AFAIR this was also somewhere in MOTU pages
[08:17] <Tonio_> hum
[08:17] <Tonio_> in fact I'm taking away from the debian community ;)
[08:17] <Tonio_> that's not a good thing, of course, but that's it...
[08:19] <alleeHol> Tonio_: just a wnpp is not much additional work. One has to do it only once in pkg lifetime
[08:19] <Tonio_> only once ?
[08:19] <Tonio_> I quite don't understand.....
[08:19] <Tonio_> and what about updates ?
[08:20] <Tonio_> in fact about all my packages aren't packages for debian
[08:20] <alleeHol> If one starts pkg one submits an wnpp bug report (ITP interest to pkg) and with claims: I do it, don't waste your time.
[08:21] <alleeHol> with first upload you close the bug in the changelog:  * Initial upload (Closes: #itp-bug-number) that it.
[08:22] <alleeHol> In your case: you send a RFS or RTP (request for sponsor/ to package) and let others know that you are working on it to prevent duplicate work
[08:23] <Tonio_> what do you call a "request for sponsor" ?
[08:23] <Tonio_> what to goal of it ?
[08:23] <alleeHol> A debian devel interested in the pkg will contact you and upload the pkg for you
[08:23] <Tonio_> in fact, consider that I don't know anything about wnpp :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> okay....
[08:24] <Tonio_> and what about packages updates ?
[08:24] <Tonio_> I understand the point for an initial package
[08:25] <Tonio_> but do we have to send a RFS for every update ?
[08:25] <alleeHol> Tonio_: wnpp bug-reports are there to prevent duplicate pkging efford in debian
[08:25] <alleeHol> for updates there are several possibilities:
[08:26] <alleeHol> Tonio_: a) as I do:  devel on kubuntu.  pbuild and test on sid and send to sponsor. He upload and ubuntu autosyncs ;)
[08:27] <alleeHol> b) send a notification that to the one uplaoded the pkg to sid and let take him/her care
[08:27] <alleeHol> c) for a development team so both know that going on and when to upload ;)
[08:28] <alleeHol> Tonio_: c) is the best imho
[08:28] <alleeHol> Tonio_: I'll cc you the Mail to anja
[08:28] <Tonio_> I don't understand c ;)
[08:29] <Tonio_> alleeHol: can you describe C ?
[08:29] <alleeHol> Tonio_: yes ...
[08:30] <Tonio_>  no verb in your phrase, and my english is quite limited lol
[08:30] <alleeHol> Tonio_: I'll try to avoid noun too, maybe this helps
[08:31] <Tonio_> alleeHol: yep :)
[08:32] <Tonio_> my question would be
[08:32] <alleeHol> Tonio_: for c): e.g., use a source code repo [or keep each other informed via e-mail (stone age;) ]
[08:32] <Tonio_> what is REVU usefull for ?
[08:32] <Mez> Tonio_ for reviewing packages by MOTUs
[08:32] <Tonio_> if I follow you, it is better packaging for debian, and then let ubuntu autosync right ?
[08:34] <alleeHol> Tonio_: well, when one cares that a pkg is also in debian and uptodate yes (IMHO)
[08:34] <Tonio_> sounds strcturally like a kind of mess ;)
[08:35] <alleeHol> Tonio_:  yes, unfortunately :(
[08:37] <alleeHol> Tonio_: but it's no requirement that a kubuntu pkg cares about debian (nice if he does not not required)
[08:38] <alleeHol> Tonio_: nevertheless as a minimum of care I consider to submit a RFP to the wnpp pseudo-package to bugs.debian.org
[08:39] <alleeHol> Tonio_: back to were we started, right?
[08:41] <Tonio_> allee: yes ;)
[08:41] <Tonio_> the problem is that I wanna contribute and help in the best way
[08:41] <Tonio_> but anyway, I have a private life, a job etc...
[08:41] <Tonio_> I don't want to become addicted to this
[08:41] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> but I'll have a look at that yes
[08:42] <allee> Tonio_: no offense intended.  We all do your best and mine of most of the time not worth to mention
[08:42] <Tonio_> maybe just posting rfs would be good
[08:43] <Tonio_> allee: don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your effort in elping us (and me !) to make things in the best possible way
[08:43] <allee> of RTP, this means you will not test on debian and the one who pick it up for debian should do it
[08:43] <Tonio_> yep
[08:44] <allee> s/or/of/
[08:44] <Tonio_> the problem is in the source in fact
[08:44] <allee> argl!
[08:44] <Tonio_> not to what you ask, that I perfectly understand
[08:44] <Tonio_> why don't they decide of a unique package format, that would be build by the upstream
[08:44] <Tonio_> argh !!! ;)
[08:45] <Tonio_> that debian/ubuntu/mepis/blabla world would need a unique plateform
[08:45] <Tonio_> for packagers
[08:45] <allee> distros are too different ;)
[08:45] <Tonio_> hum
[08:46] <Tonio_> talking about ubuntu yes
[08:46] <Tonio_> mepis is just a debian packaged in a specific way
[08:46] <allee> think about dependencies,  mit API changes backporting gets non trival even in the same distro
[08:46] <Tonio_> I don't think ededicated developpment is done on mepis
[08:47] <Tonio_> allee: you're right ;) (frustrating, but you're always right hehe)
[08:47] <allee> Well, I only care about kubuntu and debian. More than enough for my free time.  never tried mepis yet
[08:48] <Riddell> mepis breaks the GPL and ships win32codecs
[08:48] <Tonio_> we all have the same problem -> days are 24 hours only....
[08:48] <allee> Tonio_: until later.  Kids make a revolution here.  They need a peacemaker :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> need to migrate to venus for exemple
[08:48] <Tonio_> one day is 6 months here hehe :)
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I new for w32codecs, but never heard about the GPL.....
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's really bad.......
[08:50] <Riddell> I havn't been able to find sources for their Qt installer, and neither has anyone else
[08:51] <Riddell> possible the guy has a licence, but I suspect not
[08:52] <Tonio_> allee: I'm in a very, very bad moon today in fact
[08:53] <Tonio_> allee: that is the reason I'm not very "positive" like always
[08:53] <Tonio_> allee: I'm preparing to the worst week in my working career...
[08:53] <allee> Tonio_: oh!
[08:54] <Tonio_> allee: can you imagine I'm going in a company to install a linux server, with apache, then make an index.html with two frames, and just create another page with html links
[08:54] <Tonio_> allee: and I have to stay there for 5 days.........
[08:54] <Tonio_> WHAT WILL I DO ???????????
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: the point is, if I do it in 3 hours, which I suspect, my company will be VERY unhappy
[08:55] <Riddell> who's wanting to test a kubuntu flight CD tonight?
[08:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could be good for my mood ;)
[08:56] <allee> Tonio_: install a dapper changeroot and fix pkg bugs or create new pkgs (+ RTP of course ;)
[08:56] <Riddell> hopefully it'll be available in a hour or so
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: I didn't say that -> no access to internet..........
[08:57] <allee> Riddell: I have only 8k downlink. no good idea tonight;)
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: 4 days looking at my screen, pretending that I have a big problem, blablabla
[08:57] <allee> Tonio_: no internet??   I'm not a developper.... I only can test and report :)
[09:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: link fixed, sorry about that
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm sure there's lots of bugzilla things can be cleaned out or marked as duplicate or marked as "please explain this" etc
[09:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: No problem, someguy on the forums brought it up
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that requires internet access....
[09:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: you don't have internet access?
[09:02] <Tonio_> at home yes
[09:02] <Riddell> how are you going to set up apache without internet access?
[09:02] <Tonio_> not next week
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I will have to set up apache without internet access
[09:03] <Tonio_> that's the trick ;)
[09:03] <Tonio_> but it is a redhat ES
[09:03] <Riddell> umm, why is it being set up if it doesn't have internet access?
[09:03] <Tonio_> everything is shipped with it
[09:04] <Tonio_> it is for the intranet, not internet, it is possible
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the reason I was talking about my worst week working EVER ;)
[09:05] <Riddell> take a good book?
[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I'll be in an open space
[09:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: however hard I try I can't seem to get moodin to make a *.orig.tar.gz :(
[09:05] <Tonio_> so I will have to pretend to work... for 4 days
[09:05] <Tonio_> what a bullshit in fact !
[09:06] <Tonio_> ho yes ;)
[09:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: you make the .orig.tar.gz, it should pick it up and use it (assuming it's named correctly)
[09:06] <jpatrick> This is the sixth time I've tried
[09:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: scanning all the book and read it with a big less in shell ;) nobody will see ;) hahaha
[09:07] <jpatrick> Make it by hand it is
[09:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: what are you naming the file?
[09:07] <jpatrick> Just running dpkg-buildpackage (does it by it self)
[09:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: you have to make the .orig file
[09:07] <jpatrick> got it
[09:07] <Riddell> it doesn't get done for you
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may have to time to write documentation for kubuntu !!!
[09:08] <Tonio_> that can be done locally ;)
[09:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: ooh, good idea
[09:08] <jjesse> Tonio_: writing docs for Kubuntu?
[09:08] <Tonio_> hum what king of would be usefull ?
[09:08] <jjesse> that would be awesome :)
[09:08] <Riddell> although I don't know what's ready to be worked on, need to ask jjesse
[09:09] <Tonio_> well, I will unfortunatelly have a lot of time to try not to sleep so ;)
[09:09] <jjesse> hopefully this weekend will lay the ground work to get started
[09:10] <Tonio_> jjesse: I'l be there on sunday evening
[09:10] <Riddell> jjesse: make sure to svn update, I've done quite a few changes today
[09:10] <jjesse> i did already
[09:10] <Tonio_> if you have anything to be done, PLEASE ask !!!
[09:10] <Tonio_> that would keep me alive !
[09:11] <jjesse> i almost have the docs moved dropping the k
[09:11] <Tonio_> I also can make translation
[09:12] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Rosseta
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: no internet access !!!
[09:12] <jpatrick> damn
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yep :)
[09:13] <Tonio_> packaging without internet access is also not possible.........
[09:13] <jjesse> Riddell: svn up should get the docs w/ k's
[09:14] <jpatrick> Tonio_: unless you send the package by snail mail (on a floppy etc)
[09:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: well internet is necessary to get informations, checking which packages are required
[09:15] <Tonio_> and also, pbuilder without internet is limited unless I have all in the cache
[09:16] <Tonio_> documentation is the only thing I can do, but I'd like to ;)
[09:16] <allee> Riddell: okay to add REVU and wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu  to resources to check for pkging work under way?
[09:16] <Riddell> allee: please do
[09:17] <allee> 'k.  I'll make a list out of it.  the sentense is already quite long
[09:17] <Riddell> allee: add wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[09:17] <Riddell> allee: what does wnpp stand for?
[09:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: ah now I have a diff.gz and a orig.tar.gz :)
[09:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: awooga
[09:18] <allee> wnpp is the pseudo pkg in bugs.debian.org used to organize pkging effort (Work Needing and Prospective Packages AFAIR)
[09:19] <allee> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp
[09:19] <Riddell> allee: I know what it is, just didn't know what it stood for.  quite a cryptic name
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: looks good
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: let me know when you want me to review it
[09:19] <allee> Riddell: heh! quite true
[09:20] <jpatrick> ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig is not <package>-<upstreamversion> (wanted ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2.orig)
[09:20] <jpatrick> Did say that^
[09:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm
[09:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: .orig should be ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig.tar.gz
[09:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: directory should be ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2
[09:29] <Riddell> ** flight-1 testers please http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051118.2/
[09:29] <jjesse> whats a flight testor?
[09:31] <Riddell> jjesse: flight is the name of the occational dapper testing CDs
[09:31] <Riddell> a flight is the collective noun for dragons
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: downloading
[09:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: what arch?
[09:31] <Tonio_> i386
[09:31] <Riddell> cool
[09:32] <Riddell> I'll do amd64 then
[09:32] <Riddell> don't suppose we have any ppc users here?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: necessary to test install cd or is there a livecd ?
[09:35] <jjesse> downloading i386
[09:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: live CD is building stilL
[09:35] <Riddell> still
[09:35] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so testing the installcd
[09:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: okay
[09:37] <Riddell> jjesse: who's the server guide dude again?
[09:37] <jjesse> Riddell: bhurvan or something like
[09:37] <Riddell> ah yes, we need to ask him not to use xinclude since kde doesn't like that
[09:37] <jjesse> his name should be on w.u.c/ServerGuide
[09:38] <jpatrick> Riddell: is this what the copyright should look like? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434649
[09:39] <jpatrick> keeps saying: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[09:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: just remove last paragraph with address in it, it's not necessary
[09:40] <jpatrick> last two lines going off
[09:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: no, the one before that
[09:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: you also need a part saying who owns the copyright  (C) Copyright Christian Leh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2005
[09:42] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434654 ?
[09:43] <Riddell> jpatrick: keep the last paragraph as you had it before, remove the paragraph with the FSF address in it
[09:44] <Riddell> add a blank line after the (C) line
[09:44] <jpatrick> ah okay
[09:46] <jpatrick> I guess that's fixed all the errors you found
[10:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: only problem now: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath
[10:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: amd64?
[10:03] <jpatrick> no i386
[10:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: cdbs?
[10:04] <jpatrick> ...
[10:04] <jpatrick> don't think so
[10:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: then add --disable-rpath to the ./configure options
[10:06] <jpatrick> that's fixed
[10:06] <jpatrick> I suppose unknown-section universe/kde doesn't count
[10:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: just set it to kde
[10:07] <jpatrick> done
[10:17] <jpatrick> lintian reports nothing now
[10:18] <jpatrick> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: uploading to revu?
[10:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[10:21] <Riddell> maybe he's run out of disk space
[10:21] <jpatrick> oh dear
[10:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: poke siretat
[10:22] <jpatrick> he appears to be away
[10:22] <jpatrick> (according to Konversation)
[10:31] <jjesse> Riddell: are you going to be changing the make file?
[10:31] <jjesse> for kde docs?
[10:31] <jjesse> kubuntu i meant
[10:32] <Riddell> jjesse: in which respect?
[10:32] <jjesse> Riddell: because the docs are no longer kfaqguide etc or should i do that?
[10:32] <Riddell> jjesse: I have some changes to commit in a minute, could you do it after?
[10:33] <jjesse> sure can i commited the changes to docs to remove the k from them all so svn up
[10:35] <Riddell> jjesse: committed
[10:36] <Riddell> jjesse: after this weekend do you think we'll be able to svn remove the obsolete docs?
[10:36] <jjesse> Riddell: sure
[10:36] <Riddell> groovy
[10:37] <Riddell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/appealnight/doctor_who_special.shtml new doctor who!  woo!
[10:38] <Riddell> dinner, doctor who, flight testing
[10:40] <jjesse> dinner new harry potter movie :)
[10:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: whatever for?
[10:49] <Riddell> jjesse: that's out today?
[10:50] <jjesse> in the US it is
[10:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: watch British shows ?
[10:51] <jpatrick> Not a lot of good television in Spain :|
[10:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: uknova :)
[10:52] <Riddell> not that I even have a TV but
[10:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: I can't believe it's not television!
[10:56] <Riddell> ** install CDs are being remade, don't test current ones (but download so an rsync can happen)
[10:58] <jjesse> does this flight have kde3.5 on it?
[11:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: thanks for uknova thing. Even then I won't have sound :(
[11:01] <jpatrick> bedtime now
[11:16] <jmg> hey all
[11:16] <jmg> is it safe/smart for me to be upgrading to 3.5rc1?
[11:18] <jmg> or even useful? :)P
[11:19] <Riddell> jmg: yes, I'm running it no problem
[11:19] <Riddell> jmg: it's very useful so long as you report back to me if it works or not
[11:20] <jmg> Riddell: whats the sources line for it
[11:20] <Riddell> jmg: see kubuntu.org/announcements
[11:20] <jmg> Riddell: i may upload an emacs cvs package soon (emacs22), huge python enhancements
[11:21] <jmg> Riddell: thansk
[11:26] <jmg> Riddell: more useful to be using breezy and fixing/reporting bugs or Dapper?
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: test the flight-1 CD
[11:27] <jmg> Cds suck :P
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: should appear soon at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ as 20051118..3/
[11:27] <jmg> pxe represent :)
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: well dapper in that case, but dapper doesn't have kde 3.5 rc1 yet
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: rgr rgr
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: what is flight-1
[11:28] <jmg> ?
[11:28] <Riddell> jmg: it's the first testing CD from dapper
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: flight of drakes?
[11:28] <Riddell> yep :)
[11:29] <jmg> now i get it :)
[11:29] <jmg> where do the names of the releases come from? some book?
[11:29] <Riddell> Mark makes them up, someone tells him not to be so silly and he comes but with a more sane one
[11:30] <jmg> :)
[11:30] <Riddell> jmg: they're alphabetical now, may take some time
[11:30] <jmg> Riddell: is a drake a real animal?
[11:31] <jmg> some type of flying lizard?
[11:31] <Riddell> jmg: it's a species of dragon
[11:31] <jmg> Riddell: fire drakes were little lizards in the dragons of pern
[11:32] <jmg> Riddell: that they engineered into the dragons
[11:32] <Riddell> dragons of pern?
[11:32] <jmg> yup, Anne Mccaffrey
[11:32] <jmg> pretty cool series... starts off sci fi, moves into fantasy and then back to sci fi
[11:33] <jmg> i havent seen anyone do that since... pretty unique
[11:34] <jmg> they use genetic engineering... and then things get all twisted and the geneering becomes almost magic
[11:34] <jmg> but at the end they find their ships crashed AI core who tells them how to beat the Thread (bad guys)
[11:35] <jmg> and it goes back to sci fi again :)
[11:35] <jmg> 67%
[11:36] <Riddell> jmg: of what?
[11:49] <jmg> Riddell: dist-upgrade
[11:49] <Riddell> jmg: to dapper or 3.5?
[11:49] <jmg> 3.5
[11:49] <jmg> if 3.5 fucks this box... ill install dapper :)
[11:59] <jmg> Riddell:  kdegraphics: Depends: kamera (>= 4:3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:59] <jmg> Riddell: BRB


[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy International Day for Biodiversity!  This year's theme is water and biodiversity. :-D
[10:51] <czajkowski> felimwhiteley__: ello :)
[11:13] <felimwhiteley__> czajkowski: argh sorry heating folks turned up... leaky system.. *sigh*
[11:49] <czajkowski> felimwhiteley__: no worries did yu ask yuor question ?
[11:53] <davmor2> what question
[11:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: when felimwhiteley__ uses the swc to purchase stuff, it never remembers his credentials
[11:55] <davmor2> felimwhiteley__: have you signed into to anything other than purchasing stuff?
[11:57] <davmor2> felimwhiteley__:  and which credentials are you talking about if it is the card details that isn't implemented in USC yet
[11:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: ah I think it is
[11:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: the only place the store card details works is u1MS currently it will be steadily rolled out across all services slowly as I understand it
[11:59] <davmor2> s/store/stored
[12:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: ah thanks
[12:14] <felimwhiteley__> hey sorry
[12:14] <felimwhiteley__> yeah it's when I click purchase I ahve to log in then with Launchpad details
[12:15] <felimwhiteley__> to be honest not sure I've logged into anything esle, it's a VM I only use to buy stuff  PDFs in the store..
[12:50] <davmor2> felimwhiteley__: right so if you login to recommendations it will store your user name so you only have to type in your password which is obviously done so people don't buy stuff on your account without your knowledge.  Then there is the card details to deal with.  Which with any lucky will steadily disappear :)  hope that helps
[13:31] <felimwhiteley__> davmor2: Cheers Mr. Morley :-) clear as mud
[22:07] <Saviq> hey, question: is it known that loading thumbs in albums takes a long time? when opening a shared album I'm getting like up to 5s loading time for each thumbnail
[22:08] <Saviq> is this just a bandwidth issue or is there something else involved? loading the full size image takes a significant time, too
[22:10] <Saviq> it was the same for me in PL (60Mbps downstream) and a friend I've shared with in Boston, so "our" bandwidth is unlikely to be an issue


[00:00] <CensoredBiscuit> hello all
[00:00] <CensoredBiscuit> I was pinged
[00:00] <hajour> JanC,  do you have a link from a site where all that short cuts are on with explain from IRC
[00:00] <hajour> there was a meeting CensoredBiscuit
[00:00] <CensoredBiscuit> oops.
[00:01] <hajour> just read back
[00:01] <CensoredBiscuit> sorry guies
[00:01] <hajour> don't worry CensoredBiscuit
[00:01] <Pendulum> CensoredBiscuit: no worries. I was just pinging people to see who was around :)
[00:01] <hajour> Pendulum,  said already it was no problem CensoredBiscuit
[00:01] <CensoredBiscuit> its my minute to win it night
[00:02] <hajour> drat you was earlier Pendulum
[00:02] <hajour> Pendulum,  i not remember but was you also come to UDS or not?
[00:02] <Pendulum> hajour: I'm hoping to be at UDS
[00:03] <CensoredBiscuit> Pendulum cprofitt gave me a decent idea
[00:03] <Pendulum> oh?
[00:03] <hajour> i hope also you come and that i can come to
[00:03] <CensoredBiscuit> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/admin
[00:04] <Pendulum> ok
[00:04] <hajour> Pendulum, ^
[00:05] <Pendulum> hajour: definite that would be great :)
[00:05] <hajour> i am nerves by the idea to go to UDS but also very curious how that is and if i can really help
[00:05] <CensoredBiscuit> I'm looking to work on the wiki page you told me too but I have no idea what accessibility programs come with ubuntu.
[00:06] <Pendulum> CensoredBiscuit: a good start is to look in the assitive technology section of the software center
[00:20] <hajour> btw what is the link to the screenreader
[00:20] <hajour> so i can help testing
[00:20] <JanC> orca?
[00:21] <hajour> i dont know charlie was talking about a screenreader
[00:22] <JanC> in the GUI that's Orca AFAIK
[00:22] <JanC> it runs when you enable "Assisterende technologieën"
[00:22] <hajour> there are more screenreaders then orca so i do not know which one is need to be tested
[00:22] <JanC> and I guess they want testing of the development version?
[00:23] <hajour> then i can the same time look or the translations are good for hannie to
[00:23] <hajour> dutch translations
[00:23] <hajour> so 2 task at the same time
[00:24] <JanC> of course
[00:24] <hajour> seams me am win win situation
[00:24] <hajour> or case
[00:24] <hajour> or something
[00:24] <hajour> :D
[00:25] <hajour> can it run on a eeepc like i have
[00:25] <hajour> ?
[00:25] <JanC> it should
[00:26] <hajour> last time (more then a month ago )my eeepc crasht because of orca also undifineds pc .so maybe i better can make sa backup from my files just to be safe
[00:33] <hajour> i am tired i go to sleep good night all
[06:29] <Cheri703> are there any accessibility whatnots that let you adjust the contrast of things?
[06:29] <Cheri703> my netbook doesn't have a contrast option for the display, and I was just thinking that might be something useful
[06:30] <Cheri703> I am discovering that I get SIGNIFICANTLY less eye strain/pain at 20%-30% grey background with black text vs white and black, and that's even at very low brightness
[06:31] <Cheri703> LOTS happier eyes
[06:37] <Cheri703> I did find how to do it in firefox...
[07:07] <AlanBell> Cheri703: there are a bunch of things in the compiz filters relating to contrast
[07:07] <AlanBell> and really really cool options to simulate colour blindness
[07:08] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[07:08] <Cheri703> I don't use compiz :/
[07:08] <Cheri703> I turn off desktop effects
[07:09] <AlanBell> new unity depends on compiz
[07:09] <Cheri703> :( I haven't tried new unity, but hated old unity, so...
[07:09] <Cheri703> :/
[07:10] <AlanBell> I am using old unity
[07:10] <AlanBell> I am not a huge fan
[07:10] <AlanBell> I will probably use new unity
[07:10] <Cheri703> I'll try it, but...
[07:11] <Cheri703> if I don't like it I'll try something else
[07:21] <JanC> there are low-contrast themes for Gtk/GNOME, but they aren't as pretty as the default theme...
[07:22] <JanC> Cheri703: you can always disable all the "special" effects in Compiz
[07:25] <Cheri703> might try it
[07:26] <Cheri703> I guess I don't know that a filter is what I'd want. because I'd want other stuff to still look ok
[07:26] <Cheri703> just don't want WHITE WHITE
[08:07] <AlanBell> Cheri703: trick for you :)
[08:07] <Cheri703> ?
[08:08] <AlanBell> create a bookmark and put this in it: javascript:void(document.body.style.background='#dddddd')
[08:08] <Cheri703> what will it do?
[08:08] <AlanBell> or just paste that in the URL bar on a website where you want to soften the background
[08:08] <AlanBell> it will change the background colour of the page
[08:09] <Cheri703> ah, I already set it :)
[08:09] <AlanBell> from white (#FFFFFF) to a light grey
[08:09] <Cheri703> thanks though :)
[08:09] <Cheri703> you can go into the settings and change the color, even force sites to use it :)
[08:09] <AlanBell> you can have that as a bookmarklet
[08:09] <Cheri703> yeah, I definitely will save it
[08:09] <Cheri703> I have xmarks, so if I'm on another computer I can still access it
[08:10] <AlanBell> I had one for javascript:void(document.body.style.fontFamily='ubuntu') to force the Ubuntu font when I was testing that on different sites
[08:10] <Cheri703> ha, nice
[08:10] <AlanBell> just occurred to me that it could be done for other styles of the page
[08:11] <Cheri703> :)
[08:12] <Cheri703> found out I can change background colors in adobe reader (try to avoid it, but it's worth it for this). it will enable me to actually read ebooks and pdfs :)
[21:31] <jono> Pendulum, about ready?
[21:31] <Pendulum> jono: yep
[21:31] <Pendulum> whenever you are
[21:32] <jono> Pendulum, give me one min, quick bio break
[21:32] <Pendulum> k


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[19:27] <mhall119> jose: the LC meeting is in #ubuntu-meeting right?
[19:29] <skellat> mhall119: In lieu of jose, I will note that the meeting will be in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:29] <mhall119> thanks skellat


[03:24] <tsimonq2> So when I go to view a buildlog, why isn't it displayed in realtime like in Travis for example?
[03:25] <tsimonq2> AFAIR it occasionally updates on it's own, just wondering about the reasoning for it not dynamically updating
[12:05] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Build log display is a fairly crude hack that mostly predates newer systems that do live updates, and it hasn't been updated.
[12:07] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: We've talked about doing something better there (it'd probably involve something like caching the whole log to date in or via buildd-manager, rather than just storing the tail of it in the DB), but haven't implemented it as yet.


[19:32] <rww> whoo, nothing on the agenda for tonight
[19:33]  * rww thinks up things
[19:54] <rww> (and once I get working calendaring, I think I'll add a week-before reminder to go do this, since doing it < 24 hours before sucks)
[20:18] <nhaines> rww: Google Calendar wants your data!
[20:18] <nhaines> Also maybe OwnCloud?
[20:20] <rww> nhaines: yeah, it's probably going to be owncloud
[20:21] <arrith> rww: there is never nothing. death, waits for us all.
[20:22] <arrith> yeah speaking of calendaring i was considering some kind of personal info managing software. i remember tiddlywiki
[20:22] <rww> as far as wikis go, I'm a huge fan of ikiwiki
[20:30] <arrith> rww: i love the record of every change, but i do wonder if a wiki is the best kidn of thing there is for this. definitely better than nothing i suppose
[20:31] <rww> if you like inferior text editors, there's org-mode for emacs
[20:46] <philipballew> hey nhaines, about what time did you see yourself showing up this afternoon?
[21:26] <nhaines> philipballew: I ended up deluged by some email stuff I've been taking care of.  I'd hoped to leave an hour ago.  :P
[21:26] <nhaines> philipballew: but I think I'll get out of here in a half hour, maybe, so I should be down there in 2 hours.  How many discs did you want?
[21:27] <nhaines> Sorta bummed because I wanted to head back up in time for the meeting.  Don't really want to do it at the rest stop on my phone over 2G.  :P
[21:27] <philipballew> nhaines, Is the normal 25 too much?
[21:28] <philipballew> I would be giving them to the lugs and other people down here to distribute as well as any ubuntu meetups.
[21:28] <nhaines> philipballew: nope.  That's how many I'm taking and what I was going to bring down if I didn't hear back.  How many server disc though?
[21:29] <philipballew> nhaines, Id say 8?
[21:29] <nhaines> Okay.
[21:29] <philipballew> just a random number that seems good.
[21:29] <philipballew> nhaines, I'll plan to see you in san diego sometime between 430 and 5 then I guess.
[21:30] <nhaines> Yeah, I'll text you when I'm on the road and have an ETA with traffic and all that included.
[21:30] <philipballew> perfect!
[23:36] <arrith> rww: right! but that means learning emacs and that takes 10 years