[00:02] <BajK_> how do I change the mouse pointer theme of the log in screen?
[00:07] <yofel> BajK_: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[00:08] <BajK_> thx
[00:09] <BajK_> is there a way of showing some kind of splash screen when going to hibernation/resuming
[00:09] <BajK_> therer's just a blinky cursor
[00:11] <yofel> not that I know of :/
[00:17] <abusski> i want a help to removed all virus on my computer
[00:19] <abusski> i want a help to removed all virus on my computer
[00:25] <yofel> abusski: how did you get a virus on your system? - there's clamav if you want to try it
[00:26] <yofel> great patience -.-
[00:33] <BajK_> yofel: it does not list my theme
[00:33] <BajK_> I just copied the index.theme of the openzone theme to /etc/X11/cursors and named it accordingly but it does not pop up in that list
[00:34] <yofel> no, you would need to add it manually since that is the alternatives system of dpkg, not sure how you do that though
[00:34] <surunveri> hi can someone help me with getting ktorrent or similiar work
[00:34] <surunveri> there's some package problems or such
[00:35] <BajK_> hm or can I otherwise replace it. this index.theme links to the oxygen theme but I will not change that whole thing
[00:35] <Snowhog> yofel: Maybe the virus 'got him'!
[00:35] <BajK_> m maybe I can set a fallback trhingie
[00:35] <surunveri> it used to work then suddenly stopped working im  guessing a sy stem update caused it
[00:35] <yofel> Snowhog: let's hope not ^^
[00:35] <yofel> surunveri: which release and which ppas do you use?
[00:36] <Snowhog> surunveri: Not necessarily so. Some torrent sites are being blocked or taken down. What site are you trying to access?
[00:41] <surunveri> the program doesnt work
[00:41] <surunveri> not about sites
[00:41] <surunveri> i dont know what ppas i use i just dont use linux it just is there and i try to do other stuff
[00:42] <surunveri> and im fed up with all the trouble as u can see for i already spent 80 minutes on trying to fix this problem here on this channel and the solution was: it doesnt work, linux is shaite
[00:42] <surunveri> :D
[00:42] <surunveri> merry christmas
[00:42] <Snowhog> surunveri: Many, many, many other users would take issue with that statement.
[00:43] <surunveri> yeah sure
[00:44] <surunveri> so should i try to reinstall kubuntu for teh Nth time or
[00:44] <surunveri> do you have any idea if there is an easy fix to ktorrent not working due to updates
[00:45] <Snowhog> surunveri: we simply can't answer the question, as we don't know anything about your PC, the version of Kubuntu installed, the version of KDE, or...
[00:45] <surunveri> i've kubuntu 10.04
[00:46] <surunveri> i dont know about the version of teh KDE unless it has changed on it's own it's probably the same itw as upon installing 10.04
[00:46] <yofel> surunveri: what happens when you start ktorrent, does anything happen?
[00:46] <surunveri> since we tried to fix this problem earlier i dont have ktorrent currently
[00:46] <surunveri> but here's what happened
[00:46] <surunveri> the day before yesterday ktorrent was working
[00:46] <surunveri> at somepoint, when i tried to start it, it didnt work anymore
[00:47] <surunveri> it opened the basic window with the torrents and such
[00:47] <surunveri> and then closed
[00:47] <surunveri> and a popup came up saying
[00:47] <surunveri> "drkonirc" is not writable and on the lower side of teh wwindow there reads something PID number and such details, and in brackets (segmentation fault)
[00:47] <surunveri> alright so I looked up this file and changed permissiosn to writable
[00:47] <surunveri> after that the same window comes up
[00:48] <surunveri> but it no longer says drkonirc is not writable, isntead it just says it happens for unknown reason
[00:48] <surunveri> and same segmentation fault at the bottom, again it briefly opens and then closes, ktorrent that is
[00:48] <surunveri> then i come here asking about what may have caused this
[00:48] <surunveri> since i've not done any modifications to the system other than applying automatic system updates
[00:48] <surunveri> i had trouble seeing how this could suddenly be
[00:48] <surunveri> so the first things that were suggested as fixes were something like
[00:49] <surunveri> commandlien command for "purge" packet ktorrent and then install
[00:49] <surunveri> and other commands like that. remove. reinstall. install. in anycase
[00:49] <surunveri> in the process the error was
[00:49] <surunveri> a list of packages that could not be installed, or that were to be installed
[00:49] <surunveri> about 15-25 items in the list i cant remember
[00:49] <surunveri> but it also seems to have removed ktorrent
[00:50] <surunveri> so after brief discussion this guy says i should probably update to 10.10 kubuntu, and that it's not recommendable unless i can backup system data
[00:50] <surunveri> and that i have 'old files' and theyre not comaptible with new files
[00:50] <surunveri> so from that i concluded
[00:50] <surunveri> teh system update gave me like library files that are intended for some newer version of kubuntu, while i actually still haev an older kubuntu
[00:50] <surunveri> and therefor they dont work
[00:50] <surunveri> and the original sin was to naively apply teh system updates
[00:51] <surunveri> so got any idea?
[00:51] <surunveri> i wouldnt want to go through anything enormous like reinstalling a newer OS because if I've to do that, i might just as well be sensible and fetch a copy of XP since the experience of using kubuntu
[00:52] <xriva> perhaps #kubuntu is a bad place to be asking this, but does anyone have a suggestion regarding the path I should take to get started in the linux community?  I am considering the following:  A) Ubuntu running gnome  B) Kubuntu  C) PC-BSD
[00:52] <yofel> surunveri: ok, can you please open a Konsole and pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy ktorrent' and 'apt-cache policy kdelibs5' please?
[00:52] <yofel> !pastebin
[00:53] <surunveri> ok
[00:55] <surunveri> http://pastebin.com/1wZ38UQT
[00:57] <yofel> ok, you're using the kubuntu updates PPA which is good, but also a custom ktorrent package from another ppa
[00:57] <surunveri> i've no idea about that
[00:57] <surunveri> i installed it from a kubuntu image, ktorrent came with it
[00:57] <surunveri> yesterday when trying to fix this, i believe someone gave me a command which i pasted into terminal
[00:57] <surunveri> that applied the ppa or whatever it is
[00:58] <surunveri> http://pastebin.com/e1nb8tm0
[00:59] <Snowhog> surunveri: I'd be suggesting commenting out the custom repository entry. Run sudo apt-get update afterwards and then install ktorrent from the standard repos.
[01:00] <yofel> right, that should at least make it installable again
[01:00] <surunveri> so what's the custom repository entry coz i've no idea hw this works
[01:01] <dasKreech> bigbrovar: ping
[01:02] <surunveri> if i do egt it working
[01:02] <surunveri> should i not apply system updates in the future to avoid unecessary trouble?
[01:03] <Snowhog> surunveri: With standard repositories, running system updates to installed packages is almost never a problem.
[01:03] <yofel> surunveri: can you press alt+f2 and then run 'software-properties-kde' (not sure where that is in the lucid menu)
[01:03] <surunveri> is there any reason to apply them?
[01:03] <yofel> surunveri: er, 'kdesudo software-properties-kde'
[01:04] <yofel> surunveri: usually yes, and if after disabling the ppa ktorrent is still broken please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug
[01:04] <yofel> updates should never break something
[01:05] <surunveri> really?
[01:05] <surunveri> :P
[01:05] <surunveri> what world do you live in
[01:05] <yofel> surunveri: erm, I said *should*
[01:05] <Snowhog> surunveri: The world of user experience. :)
[01:06] <surunveri> so
[01:06] <Snowhog> surunveri: Debian's package management system, which *buntu uses, is very, very good, and very stable.
[01:06] <yofel> surunveri: do you have software sources open?
[01:06] <surunveri> yeah
[01:07] <yofel> surunveri: go to 'other software' and search for 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/linuxfreedomlucid ...' there
[01:07] <surunveri> i removed it
[01:08] <yofel> good, close software sources, go to konsole, run 'sudo apt-get update' and install ktorrent
[01:09] <surunveri> ok..
[01:09] <surunveri> it seems to work
[01:09] <surunveri> thanks for the help
[01:09] <yofel> see if ktorrent works now or if it still crashes
[01:10] <surunveri> yea as soon asi t installss
[01:11] <surunveri> it does work
[01:11] <surunveri> so basicly
[01:11] <surunveri> because i for some reason had a non-standard repository, which i dont think i've added myself
[01:11] <surunveri> the system update didnt work properly
[01:11] <surunveri> and the packages didnt update properly and it caused some inconsistency ?
[01:12] <Snowhog> surunveri: Yes. package version inconsistancies. This can happen when non-standard repositories are used along with the official ones.
[01:12] <yofel> well, that repository had a ktorrent version that was built with kubuntus backports ppa it seems, that will only installs if you add that repository too, but I'm not sure if you want that
[01:13] <surunveri> i dont know what backports ppa means
[01:13] <yofel> surunveri: don't worry about it, Snowhog is right
[01:13] <Snowhog> surunveri: I'd suggest that you don't worry about it - for now.
[01:14] <Snowhog> surunveri: Stick with the official repositories. Don't add repositories you don't know or understand. Install packages available from KPackageKit.
[01:15] <surunveri> yeah maybe i'll try that
[01:15] <Snowhog> surunveri: If I may ask, how long have you been using Kubuntu and/or Linux?
[01:16] <surunveri> 6months
[01:16] <surunveri> or so
[01:18] <surunveri> why so?
[01:18] <surunveri> during the time i've had to install kubuntu 4 or 5 times
[01:18] <BajK_> hm -.- whenever i attach my monitor to my notebook, plasma crashes and cannot be restarted (always crashes on startup then) until the monitor is deactivated or specified a clone of the notebook screen
[01:18] <surunveri> in comparison to 7 years of using XP i had to reinstall it once because i rebooted it from a switch  while a service pack installation was in progress
[01:18] <Snowhog> surunveri: Just curious as to how much user experience you have gained. Nothing more. Six months is a reasonable time frame, so you have likely learned a fair amount thus far.
[01:19] <surunveri> yea except
[01:19] <surunveri> i dont use linux u know?
[01:19] <surunveri> i use other stuff
[01:19] <surunveri> it just gets in the way
[01:19] <FloodBotK2> surunveri: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:19] <surunveri> i dont even do much with computer right now
[01:20] <surunveri> play a java webstart game, go it's a board game. go to 4 different online chat places like facebook and similiar, download stuff with ktorrent to watch
[01:20] <surunveri> and use irc sometimes that's basicly it
[01:21] <Snowhog> surunveri: "i don't use linux" "it just gets in the way" - Huh? Why then, did you install it?
[01:22] <surunveri> my HD died
[01:22] <surunveri> i didnt have winxp
[01:22] <Snowhog> surunveri: Good reason. ;)
[01:22] <surunveri> although i actually thought
[01:22] <surunveri> linux might be good but
[01:22] <surunveri> well it isnt
[01:22] <surunveri> .D
[01:23] <surunveri> maybe more secure
[01:23] <surunveri> i dont know if it's secure but havnt hand any trouble at leaset
[01:23] <Snowhog> surunveri: I tell all *new* users to Linux who come from a Windows world, "Linux is not Windows." Linux is a very solid 'alternative' to Windows and Mac for that. But it isn't everyones 'cup of tea.'
[01:24] <surunveri> yea
[01:24] <surunveri> the main problem i suppose is that everything is aimed at windows
[01:24] <surunveri> so software availability is reduced on linux
[01:24] <surunveri> though there's wine but out of the 2 programs i've thought of running with wine neither worked
[01:25] <Snowhog> surunveri: I use Windows Vista at work (no choice there) and Linux at home. I very much like Linux Kubuntu.
[01:25] <surunveri> yea vista is terrible i agree with that
[01:25] <xriva> snowhog, i am a win7 user, thinking about migrating over
[01:26] <xriva> can I run flash on kubuntu?
[01:26] <Snowhog> surunveri: Okay. So we got you going again with Ktorrent. As long as you have Kubuntu, if you run into any other issues, or have questions, you know where we are.
[01:26] <Snowhog> xriva: Yes.
[01:26] <surunveri> yea sorry for complaining
[01:26] <surunveri> while also asking for help but
[01:27] <surunveri> well.. it gets annoying over time to run into problems every now and then
[01:27] <Snowhog> surunveri: Frustration is understandable. We've all experienced it.
[01:28] <Snowhog> surunveri: prolems every now and then? You run Windows. That statement is non-sensical! :)
[01:29] <surunveri> i dunno
[01:29] <Snowhog> xriva: If you haven't already, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:29] <surunveri> i never had any serious trouble with windows
[01:29] <Snowhog> surunveri: Never had a BSOD?
[01:29] <surunveri> although it did require a bit of tweaking
[01:29] <surunveri> on the sysetm i had before
[01:29] <surunveri> hd died
[01:29] <surunveri> i had only 1 problem
[01:30] <surunveri> if a program crashed the screen sometimes didnt reset but i had a fix for that
[01:30] <BajK_> what do I need for the webcam to function?
[01:30] <surunveri> didnt happen often but sometimes. bluescreen? I dont remember having one
[01:31] <xriva> snowhog: I am trying to decide which OS I want to try first via a live cd......i've never used unix other than a semester with bash shell and a few minutes spent on a KDE machine about 6 years ago
[01:31] <xriva> i am thinking kubuntu
[01:31] <xriva> but i'
[01:31] <Snowhog> xriva: A good choice. What are your PCs specs?
[01:32] <xriva> i've heard suggestions to try gnome, gentoo, and pc-bsd as well
[01:32] <Snowhog> xriva: Kubuntu is a solid Linux distro.
[01:32] <xriva> specs are no problem this is a core i7 860 with 4gb of ram
[01:33] <Snowhog> xriva: Video card?
[01:33] <xriva> nvidia 8600gts
[01:33] <sfears> hello
[01:34] <xriva> but, on second thought, I would most likely be installing on a permanent basis on an old dell machine
[01:34] <Snowhog> xriva: I'd suggest downloading the Kubuntu Maverick Meerkat 10.10 LiveCD .iso and burning it. Try it out in the LiveCD environment. Test everything out.
[01:34] <yofel> haven't used pc-bsd yet, gentoo is a bit complicated on the configuration side and updating takes a whlie since you need to compile everything locally - the repository only ships the source code, rather try arch linux. I used gnome for a while, and ubuntu is good, I just prefer KDE
[01:34] <xriva> thanks guys for the tips
[01:34] <xriva> I like KDE from my limited experience, and I am looking for something that can do youtube, office apps, and gimp
[01:35] <Snowhog> xriva: Kubuntu will do those and more.
[01:35] <xriva> great! i think i've made up my mind
[01:35] <sfears> is anyone familiar with the compiz/emerald no widow border issue with ati cards?  my decorations disapeared and i'm stumped
[01:35] <xriva> i read that pc-bsd is good for first timers, but then I learned that it doesnt support flash on firefox
[01:35] <xriva> bummer
[01:36] <yofel> xriva: note: kubuntu and ubuntu share the same software, so you can do all of that with both, just the desktop looks and works different
[01:36] <Snowhog> xriva: Kubuntu. Try it. You'll like it. :)
[01:36] <yofel> agreed
[01:36] <xriva> and kubuntu seems to have a much larger support base.....and friendlier dudes like you guys
[01:36] <sfears> agreed, try Kubutnu
[01:36] <xriva> thanks a lot everyone
[01:37] <Snowhog> xriva: smaller support base actually, but yes, IMHO, a much friendlier lot!
[01:38] <xriva> larger by comparison to PC-BSD is what I meant, but i dont really know, just going by what I've seen around the web
[01:38] <xriva> i could very well be wrong about that
[01:39] <yofel> our support base is smaller than ubuntus, but if it's not a question related to a KDE app or a question about the system itself they'll help you too in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[01:39] <Snowhog> xriva: In the *buntu world, Ubuntu (Gnome) is the Big Brother. Kubuntu is the 'little brother' and doesn't get as much attention by the parent (Canonical). That said, though, Kubuntu is one tough ombre.
[01:40] <sfears> is there a way to remove things from the boot that hang, before the kubuntu splash even hits the screen at a step after "loding init-scripts bottom" it hangs for about 15 seconds and then finally switches over to the kubuntu splash and login.  Any ideas how to remove the step from boot?
[01:41] <xriva> it is my understanding that gnome is a window manager for ubuntu, whereas kubuntu is KDE running on a version of ubuntu optimized for KDE.....is taht correct?
[01:41] <Snowhog> xriva: Yes.
[01:41] <yofel> meh, sfears is gone, bootchart can show what makes the boot hang
[01:42] <Snowhog> yofel: Likely a polling of a USB device that might have been connected, but isn't now.
[01:43] <yofel> sfears: install 'bootchart' - reboot - and check the graphic in /var/log/bootchart what takes longest in your boot process
[01:44] <xriva> my plan is to take an old DELL box I have sitting around (P4 hyperthreader with 2GB ram...integrated video and sound) and install an alternative OS on it so I can get some experience with a linux based environment
[01:44] <xriva> im hoping to install something that will be as painless as possible to get started with
[01:44] <Snowhog> xriva: Both Ubuntu and Kubuntu (and for that, all the other *buntus) utilize the same kernel. What we see when we log in is the Desktop Environment being used - the DE. Ubuntu uses the Gnome Desktop, and Kubuntu uses the KDE Desktop.
[01:45] <xriva> and also support the proprietary hardware that requires dell specific drivers when running windows
[01:45] <Snowhog> xriva: The difference between the two is primarily in the development tools used to create the packages used.
[01:47] <xriva> i guess the next step is to get myself a live cd and pop it in
[01:48] <xriva> should I expect it to boot up right into a desktop environment? or should I prepare myself for a lot of fooling around? i think im gonna start with kubuntu
[01:49] <xriva> thanks to everyone here for your patience with my newbitude
[01:49] <Snowhog> xriva: Booting a LiveCD of Kubuntu Maverick Meerkat 10.10 should 'just work' on your rig.
[01:51] <xriva> i'm grabbing a 32-bit iso of kubuntu 10.10 right now....I take it the install disk will double as a live cd?
[01:52] <yofel> yes
[01:52] <xriva> awesome
[01:55] <xriva> and score! win7 can burn iso's without any special software
[02:07] <Snowhog> xriva: When burning the .iso, use DAO (Disc at Once).
[02:07] <xriva> will do
[02:07] <Snowhog> xriva: That's a setting, not a program.
[02:07] <xriva> hehe thanks
[02:08] <xriva> i figured an iso would be disk at once by default
[02:08] <Snowhog> xriva: I "try" not to assume what I take for granted.
[02:08] <xriva> actually, one time I think i was using nero or something, burned an iso to disk in windows file system
[02:08] <xriva> was NOT what i was expecting when I put it in the drive heheh
[02:09] <Snowhog> xriva: Make sure that you verify the MD5SUM on the downloaded .iso before you burn. Save you a lot of grief.
[02:14] <Snowhog> xriva: The LiveCD has an option on the initial menu to install. Don't do that. Select the option to try. That boots you into the Desktop. Check everything out. Video. Sound. Internet. If all works to your satisfaction, then you can plan to install from within the LiveCD environment. There is a link on the desktop to do so. But, you should prepare you HD beforehand using a partitioning utility. GParted LiveCD is what most use.
[02:14] <xriva> great! thanks for the enlightenment
[02:15] <Snowhog> What OS is on your PC at the moment?
[02:15] <xriva> I have the machine sitting around getting dusty, i dont even remember if the HD has anything on it.....it was formerly win xp sp3
[02:15] <xriva> but it may not even have an HD installed at the moment
[02:32] <xriva> is having a HD plugged into mobo a requirement for booting off a live cd?
[02:34] <Snowhog> xriva: In an old system, with an IDE controller, I think 'yes.'
[02:35] <Snowhog> xriva: But don't quote me on that.
[04:00] <neji49> Would anybody be interested in helping me out a little bit?
[04:43] <zoneteeeeeeeee> hi
[04:43] <zoneteeeeeeeee> Can someone help me with this?
[04:44] <zoneteeeeeeeee> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[04:44] <zoneteeeeeeeee> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[04:44] <zoneteeeeeeeee> please?
[04:48] <zoneteeeeeeeee> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[06:13] <marion> Hey all does anyone know how to run sims 3 on linux
[08:17] <darthanubis> how do I restart HAL?
[08:17] <darthanubis> Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices.
[08:17] <darthanubis> thx
[08:25] <sfu> Hello all, since the last update my system is crashed. I have now a livecd to see what is going wrong. On that ubuntu-server I have boot partition it seems it was full. I delete here some older kernel  and tried to reinstall grub via chroot with no luck.I saw that grub files are missing. stage1 and menu.lst. When I boot I have a grub shell but Imnot able to boot a kernel.Can someone help?
[08:27] <darthanubis> not at 3:27am est on xmas :(
[09:22] <nathan> hello
[09:23] <rork> hi
[09:23] <Guest91827> can anyone help me with virtual box installation error
[09:23] <Guest91827> Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[09:23] <Guest91827> The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing
[09:24] <Guest91827> '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[09:24] <Guest91827> as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[09:26] <Bodat> hi
[09:26] <Bodat> merry Xmas 2 every1
[10:17] <BloodyRain2k> hi, anyone knows when Peace-- would be probaly coming by here?
[10:46] <speedvin> Hello!
[10:57] <jason-in-colorad> hello room
[10:57] <speedvin> jason-in-colorad: hi
[11:30] <executor> dcc
[11:47] <goomy> hi
[11:48] <goomy> do you guys answer here questions about system ? or this is general chat  channel?
[11:49] <yofel> no this is a support channel, idle chat is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:49] <goomy> thanks
[11:50] <goomy> i have a question, just did reinstallation of my 10.10 and wanted to see system in different language
[11:50] <goomy> switched it to different language and back to english but.. half of the
[11:50] <goomy> thigs are still in second language
[11:51] <goomy> is there a way to roll this back to english ?(default)
[11:51] <freinhard> goomy: already tried to log out and log in?
[11:51] <goomy> yes did that million times , what i've done i change locale to polish from english
[11:51] <goomy> and back
[11:52] <goomy> then i uninstalled polish totally from languages
[11:53] <goomy> switched english uk to default system
[11:53] <goomy> even installed english us
[11:53] <goomy> but still locales are mixed up
[12:16] <iconmefisto> goomy: look in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals and see what the locale settings are there
[12:16] <iconmefisto> cd
[12:19] <goomy> [Locale]
[12:19] <goomy> Country=gb
[12:19] <goomy> DateFormat=%A %d %B %Y
[12:19] <goomy> Language=en_GB:en_US
[12:19] <FloodBotK2> goomy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:19] <goomy> locale seems to be ok , locale -a returns only english but still half of the apps etc are in polish...
[12:20] <iconmefisto> goomy: are kde apps in the right language?
[12:20] <goomy> in the launchers for example system settings are in polish
[12:20] <goomy> and its mixed up
[12:22] <goomy> in system settings: i have for example Workspace Appearance and behaviour : under all icons with polish text
[12:23] <goomy> be right back need to check something
[12:24] <iconmefisto> goomy: try running this: kbuildsycoca --noincremental  (and then maybe log out/in again)
[12:42] <goomy> re
[12:42] <fire`lala> hey
[12:42] <goomy> o/
[12:43] <fire`lala> I'm using rekonq from the natty repository and the default encoding is iso-8859-1 which obviously leads to problem with many web pages
[12:43] <fire`lala> does anybody know how to change the default encoding used by rekonq?
[12:45] <iconmefisto> fire`lala: it's in the menu "encoding"
[12:45] <iconmefisto> fire`lala: "set encoding"
[12:45] <fire`lala> yes, but that does only change the encoding for the actual page and not the default?
[12:46] <fire`lala> at least there's no "set default encoding" or anything similar there
[12:47] <iconmefisto> fire`lala: choose which you want, then tick "default" in the same submenu
[12:48] <fire`lala> huh?
[12:48] <fire`lala> that just reverts back to the default, which is iso-8859-1
[12:56] <goomy_> k i fixed my problem, install -f    /   locale-gen and all back to normal
[12:56] <goomy_> thanks
[14:29] <BajK> hm weird, plymouth is no longer working on my notebook
[14:29] <BajK> it's just a blank screen, then a few console messages appear and then the log in screen appears
[14:30] <BajK> lol okay now plymouth is displayed again?! o.O weird
[14:44] <BluesKaj> BajK, don't worry about it , as long as you can log in. I've seen that a few times after kernel upgrades etc .
[14:44] <BajK> hm.. :(
[14:45] <BluesKaj> don't gt hung up on it , plymouth is flaky windowdressing
[14:47] <BajK> I want a consistent look on my notebook, sort of Mac-Like. I did a Grub kubuntu theme (the blue color background (grub because there is windows as well)), a kubuntu plymouth theme, kubuntu kdm theme and kubuntu kde splash, so there is a consistent look after the acer splash disappeared till the desktop appears
[14:47] <BajK> but plymouth does what it wants do. I don'T care about error messages or stuff. I just want to have anice look. and thats it
[14:48] <BajK> and on shutdown theres [drm:atom_op_jump] *ERROR* atombios stuck executing CB9E error messages all over the place
[14:48] <BajK> maybe plymouth doesn't get working with the intel graphics since i disabled the ati one
[14:50] <BajK> hm okay, *remember* just don't REstart the notebook and all is fine :D
[15:20] <frecko> Hi!
[15:24] <BluesKaj> !hi | frecko
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok , guess ubottu is asleep
[15:32] <frecko> anyone familiar with Audex?
[15:58] <Roey> hola all
[15:58] <Roey> Riddell:  hello
[16:18] <BajK> hmm :(
[16:18] <BajK> plymouth is so unreliable
[16:22] <BajK> switching virtual terminals crashes the system competele.y
[16:43] <rtdos> what is a good c++ ide for kubuntu/kde ?
[17:03] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261187
[17:20] <rtdos> i'm using codeblocks to compile a c++ program in my home directory and i'm getting a permission denied error, can anyone help?
[17:20] <yofel> rtdos: Kdevelop and Qtcreator
[17:20] <yofel> codeblocks is a bit easier for plain c++ though
[17:20] <rtdos> yofel, thank you.
[17:20] <yofel> rtdos: what's the exact error?
[17:21] <rtdos> hold on i'll copy and paste.
[17:23] <rtdos> sh: /home/jeff/Workspace/hello_world: Permission denied
[17:23] <yofel> rtdos: can you open a Konsole and print what 'ls -l /home/jeff/Workspace/hello_world' says?
[17:23] <rtdos> Process returned 126 (0x7E)
[17:24] <fujioka> Anyone know of a guide for speeding up KDE on Kubuntu?
[17:24] <rtdos> -rw-rw-rw- 1 jeff jeff 139 2010-12-25 10:18 /home/jeff/Workspace/hello_world
[17:25] <yofel> rtdos: that's the executable that was generated? if yes, that need a chmod +x hello_world to work
[17:26] <rtdos> so codeblocks won't execute it automatically?
[17:26] <rtdos> or set the permissions it needs to compile and run the application?
[17:26] <yofel> more like it made a mistake when generating the executable, it generated it without executable permissions and then tried to execute it
[17:27] <hellojones> how can I check if my dvb cards driver is loaded?
[17:27] <nerdy_kid> anyone try 4.6rc1 out?
[17:28] <yofel> nerdy_kid: yes
[17:28] <rtdos> yofel, is there a way to change it so that it sets permissions automatically?
[17:28] <nerdy_kid> yofel: how is it going?  any show stoppers/highly irritating bugs?
[17:31] <yofel> rtdos: probably, but I'm don't use codeblocks myself so I don't know where
[17:31] <yofel> odd that it doesn't do that by default though (bug?)
[17:31] <rtdos> could it be the directory itself?
[17:32] <rtdos> nevermind i just answered my own question.
[17:32] <yofel> nerdy_kid: rc1 is loosing my gtk style settings on logout here which is a bit annoying, otherwise it works mostly fine
[17:33] <nerdy_kid> yofel: cool, 4.5 looses (unless I hard set it in gtkrc) my gtk theme anyway, so I guess its upgrade time for me :)
[17:33] <rtdos> doh!
[17:35] <nerdy_kid> yofel: did they implement smooth scrolling in dolphin yet?
[17:41]  * BluesKaj goes with the QtCurve settings ... fewer probs with font setup for nondefault apps etc on a large monitor / tv
[17:43] <BluesKaj> except chromium toolbar , it doesn't integrate with kde at all so the fonts are unconfigurable and are too small to read
[17:43] <BluesKaj> <---stuck with FF which is becoming bloated and slow IMO
[17:44] <BluesKaj> rekonq isn't the answer either , almost as clunky to set uip as konqueror used to be
[17:46] <nerdy_kid> BluesKaj: try oxygen-gtk IT IS AMAZING
[17:46] <nerdy_kid> integrates everything (exept mozilla apps due to their gtk hacks) perfectly
[17:46] <BluesKaj> nerdy_kid, if Iwanted gtk I'd be running gnome :)
[17:47] <nerdy_kid> BluesKaj: no oxygen-gtk is the oxygen theme for gtk apps.  thus everything looks the same
[17:48] <BluesKaj> nerdy_kid, fine but kde qtcurve is fine for my needs , my only problem is chromium fonts on a 42" scrn
[17:49] <BluesKaj> chromium bookmarks toolbar to ne exact
[17:50] <BluesKaj> to be
[17:58] <BajK> what's the kde desktop sharing program? I have krfb for sharing the desktop but how do I access them? I remember KDE having a VNC viewer? No longer?
[17:59] <nerdy_kid> BajK: krdc
[17:59] <BajK> got it
[17:59] <BajK> thx
[17:59] <nerdy_kid> np :)
[18:04] <sourcemaker> I have a problem with gpg and kmail... when I try to sign a mail... I receive the error message: wrong passhrase... but there is no dialog to enter the passhrase?
[18:04] <sourcemaker> kde 4.6 rc1
[18:07] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, you need to set the passphrase in the kmail acct settings and be sure to click apply
[18:07] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: the same problem occures in kmymoney...
[18:07] <sourcemaker> it's a gpg related problem I think
[18:08] <sourcemaker> befor I have installed to update... there was a input dialog to enter the key...
[18:09] <BluesKaj> I haven't used kmail in a while ...gpg in kmail?
[18:09] <sourcemaker> yes...
[18:10] <sourcemaker> it's well integrated to kde
[18:10] <BluesKaj> kmail is kde
[18:10] <BluesKaj> never knew kde was linked to gpg in kmail
[18:11] <BluesKaj> at least I didn't suspect
[18:19] <BajK> Sometimes I believe the network manager programmers are just plain stupid
[18:20] <BajK> or don't use their own cration
[18:28] <fabio> “!list”
[20:25] <whilo> hey
[20:28] <whilo> can somebody help me and point out why building ktorrent trunk in my ppa does not resolve the dependeny to libktorrent in that ppa?
[20:28] <whilo> https://launchpad.net/~christian-weilbach/+archive/magneticlove/+build/2112385
[20:32] <abusski> banklogin
[20:44] <web> hi
[20:45] <web> which are responsible for the packages QtCurve
[20:45] <web> My computer hangs when I start a gtk application
[20:54] <giovanni> ciao ciao
[21:03] <manuela> hi everyone...after upgrading the kubuntu release, I don't have the network manager tray icon anymore...how do I put it back?
[21:32] <ubuntu> ello
[21:33] <ubuntu> ?
[21:33] <Tm_T> K'day
[21:33] <ubuntu> testin k-s)
[22:12] <surunveri> hi
[22:13] <surunveri> for some reason the computer is now running very slow and when opening system monitor it says CPU 100% at the bottom although the processes combined CPU% are not close to 100, but it works faster than what it would if it was completely in use but still very slowly
[22:13] <surunveri> also in the processes list there's an item called apache2 owned by root
[22:14] <surunveri> and 8-10 other apache2 owned by www.data- something
[22:15] <surunveri> any ideas?
[22:15] <surunveri> i removed the apache things but it's still slow, i tired rebooting some time ago too
[22:19] <surunveri> :D
[22:19] <surunveri> i think this appeared yesterday aftering changing to official ppa and doing sudo update
[22:19] <surunveri> but i didnt really do anything that would've required lots of system resources so i cant confirm D:
[22:20] <surunveri> and even now im tryin to play this browser billiard game, which isnt important and i dont really care about that, but it shows clearly how everything now is slow. :D
[22:21] <surunveri> gaaah.....
[22:25] <surunveri> no one ?
[22:26] <surunveri> ...and yes it used to run better so it's not that i didnt notice it earlier. Just cant pinpoint the exact moment when this change occurred :D
[22:29] <surunveri> =/
[22:29] <surunveri> go linux
[22:29] <yofel> hm..
[22:32] <yofel> surunveri: what does top report as system load and in the 3rd line? (Cpu)
[22:33] <surunveri> top process? 13%
[22:33] <yofel> surunveri: no, run 'top' in Konsole
[22:33] <surunveri> ok
[22:34] <surunveri> which one here is cpu load?
[22:34] <surunveri> is it these two us and sy?
[22:34] <yofel> you should have 'load average: ...' and paste the complete cpu line
[22:35] <surunveri> niin ei kannattais alkaa
[22:35] <surunveri> oho sorry
[22:35] <surunveri> the copy didnt work and it jsut gave whatever was on clipboard
[22:35] <surunveri> load average: 1.14, 1.19, 1.40
[22:36] <surunveri> idk what that means though
[22:37] <surunveri> load average: 1.14, 1.19, 1.40
[22:37] <surunveri> load average: 1.14, 1.19, 1.40
[22:37] <surunveri> sry
[22:37] <yofel> well, that looks right
[22:37] <surunveri> this top keeps refreshing so
[22:37] <yofel> surunveri: press q and copy then
[22:37] <surunveri> Mem:   1026460k total,   800960k used,   225500k free,    37196k buffers
[22:38] <surunveri> i've a browser java-applet, 2 irssi and system monitor running
[22:38] <surunveri> seems a lot of memory usage?
[22:38] <yofel> surunveri: what's the swap line?
[22:38] <surunveri> Swap:   999416k total,    21684k used,   977732k free,   330180k cached
[22:38] <surunveri> anyway
[22:39] <yofel> nah, you've got 330M used as system cache, so your mem usage is below 500
[22:39] <surunveri> isnt that a lot though?
[22:39] <surunveri> idk or maybe kubuntu uses a lot
[22:39] <surunveri> :D
[22:39] <yofel> well, it does a bit
[22:40] <yofel> surunveri: since your system seems fine, what's your graphics card? do you have compositing enabled?
[22:40] <surunveri> i dont remember disabling it
[22:40] <surunveri> what does compositing mean?
[22:40] <surunveri> this was running fine 2 days ago
[22:40] <surunveri> just sayin.. it's an old computer though radeon9600
[22:40] <surunveri> anyway
[22:41] <surunveri> in system monitor at bottom
[22:41] <surunveri> it says CPU 100%
[22:41] <surunveri> and sometimes falls temporarily to other values
[22:41] <yofel> which system monitor?
[22:41] <surunveri> the one u get from startmenu, applications, system, and that says "system monitor"
[22:42] <surunveri> isi t normal to have 137 processe?
[22:43] <nerdy_kid> surunveri: yup
[22:43] <yofel> yes, I've got 223 here
[22:43] <nerdy_kid> 234 here
[22:43] <yofel> surunveri: and that sysmon says CPU: 100% below the graph?
[22:44] <surunveri> in the footer section of teh window
[22:44] <surunveri> in the 'system load' part where the graph is
[22:44] <surunveri> it fluctuates steadily between 20, and other values
[22:45] <surunveri> well idk..
[22:46] <yofel> hm... but then top should show a process actually using that :S
[22:46] <surunveri> yeah there isnt one
[22:46] <surunveri> but this still runs slowly. Idk if it says 200% if it runs fine :-D
[22:48] <surunveri> oh well..... it's tiresome
[22:48] <surunveri> :D
[22:51] <nerdy_kid> yofel doesn't i/o wait raise the CPU level?  (without raising a particular process's cpu usage)
[22:51] <yofel> hm, indeed, maybe try 'iotop -o' to see if something's running
[22:52] <surunveri> anyway im gonna reboot again brb
[22:54] <surunveri> hi
[22:56] <surunveri> so what was the command?
[23:09] <surunveri> anyone still here?
[23:13] <noob_> hi, in need to bridge my usb modem to a mini wifi hotspot asuswl330ge, under windows it was simply, are there something lik as ifconfig bridge eth0 wlan0?
[23:14] <sourcemaker> I have a problem with gnupg...
[23:14] <sourcemaker> it does not work in kde 4.6rc1... is there a update problem?
[23:14] <sourcemaker> => wring passphrase... but no input dialog present
[23:14] <sourcemaker> => wrong passphrase
[23:23] <bochito> happy xmas ^ merry new year >P
[23:29] <surunveri> hi.. suddenly the computer started to work really slowly any idea what might've caused that? any recent update that might malfuncitoN?
[23:29] <surunveri> the only serious change into the system i've done recently was a change into an official ppa and then aptitude update but that's not much
[23:33] <surunveri> ahh.... i wish i could get windows back.. :D too many ggray hairs


[01:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: thanks for the poke, i uploaded 7.0.15 will work on the SRU tmrw AM
[01:21] <nacc> mdeslaur: from your perspective, and given the decision in 16.04, do you have an opinion on what to do about php7.1 in 17.04?
[01:22] <nacc> mdeslaur: it's in universe right now, and i believe is safely coinstallable with php7.0. But I'm not sure we want to have both be availabe
[01:22] <nacc> rbasak: --^ may also have an opinion
[01:45] <countingdaisies> What are options for nomenclature of the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled  ?? I'm wondering if, like /etc/hosts, I can just make up whatever naming scheme I want and how apache2 handles it when it looks for them?
[01:45] <countingdaisies> is 000-*    the only format one could use?
[01:45] <sarnold> make sure the filenames end in .conf
[01:46] <sarnold> the numbers are just there to make it easy to sort
[01:46] <countingdaisies> sarnold: Right on. And, is there a reason that numbers are prefixed with the default naming?  (ie: 000-default.conf)?
[01:47] <countingdaisies> I mean a practical reason one 'better' do it that way?
[01:47] <sarnold> the 'default' is just there so you know it's a default :)
[01:47] <nacc> countingdaisies: more than likely that is to ensure a particular order of loading
[01:47] <countingdaisies> nacc: I see.
[01:47] <countingdaisies> thx
[01:48] <nacc> i'd have to verify in the init script, but that's typical, at least, and affects the globbing
[01:48] <sarnold> didn't apache suck that into the daemon startup?
[01:48] <nacc> sarnold: oh might be true, yeah
[01:53] <mdeslaur> nacc: meh, we definitely want it in 18.04, which means we probably want it in 17.10....but for 17.04, it's probably not worth the time trying to make sure everything is co-installable and works
[01:54] <mdeslaur> nacc: personally, I'd wait until 17.10 and then get rid of 7.0
[01:54] <nacc> mdeslaur: yeah, that's my thinking as well
[02:10] <monokrome> Does anyone know if I can have a .xsession file in my home directory for my window manager? I am trying to avoid having it in /usr/share/xsessions/
[02:11] <sarnold> monokrome: hehe, yeah, your home dir is far more usual
[02:11] <monokrome> sarnold:  I would think that, but everything I see online says to throw it in /usr/local/
[02:11] <monokrome> Do you know where it needs to be placed?
[02:12] <sarnold> monokrome: that might be just so an admin can give users happy defaults so they don't have to write their own
[02:12] <sarnold> monokrome: I can't recall if it is ~/.xsession or ~/.Xsession. It's been so long :/
[02:13] <monokrome> aaran: Well, usually you have to create a .xsession file in /usr/local/xsessions that points to ~/.xsession or whatever you want to call it
[02:13] <monokrome> and I'm trying to avoid creating the desktop entry in /usr/local
[02:14] <sarnold> I thought all that was configured already in /etc/X11/Xsession*
[02:14] <monokrome> ah
[02:14] <monokrome> maybe it's automatic now
[02:14] <monokrome> will try
[02:14] <monokrome> Thanks :)
[02:17] <monokrome> Well, that didn't workl
[02:18] <sarnold> you may need to select something specific at the graphical login screen if you're using one
[02:21] <monokrome> There aren't really any options in there
[02:21] <monokrome> I'm just using the default Ubuntu login screen
[02:22] <monokrome> whoa, sorry - I did *not* realize that I tabbed into #ubuntu-server instead of #ubuntu
[02:25] <Seven_Six_Two> okie dokie pokie. so I followed the nfs4 instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto  and still have the same problem. filesystem mounts rw, but I can't write to is..
[02:26] <Seven_Six_Two> no errors. /etc contains the lines:  /export	<IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,fsid=0,no_subtree_check,sync)
[02:26] <Seven_Six_Two>  /export/www <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,nohide,no_subtree_check,sync)
[02:27] <Seven_Six_Two> and I mount the child explicitly.
[03:47] <Seven_Six_Two> ugh. I wish documentation was better for NFSv4. Here's where I'm at.
[03:47] <Seven_Six_Two> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23958578/
[03:48] <Seven_Six_Two> any NFSv4 pro out there? I can mount, but I can't write.
[03:50] <Seven_Six_Two> uid gid on client and server match. /etc/idmapd.conf contains domains on both (but not in pastebin for server. it's there!)
[03:51] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: what happens when you try to write?
[03:52] <Seven_Six_Two> touch: cannot touch 'text.txt': Permission denied
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: can you cd to the mount point and ls?
[03:53] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: ok, then most likely, the denial is being issued by the server
[03:53] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i believe nfs can/does log stuff?
[03:53] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't know. I can't find anything
[03:54] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: also, trying to understand, but would the uid on the server be able to write to /export?
[03:55] <Seven_Six_Two> no, but that's not the root, not the folder that I'm trying to write to
[03:55] <Seven_Six_Two> *that's the root
[03:55] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: ok, then /export/www
[03:56] <Seven_Six_Two> so, no. /export/www is root.root
[03:57] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: right, so how would you be able to write to it over NFS?
[03:57] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i don't know much about it, but that's where i'd start, at least
[03:57] <Seven_Six_Two> it's actually a subfolder of that, owned by www-data.www-data that I'm trying to write to
[03:58] <nacc> even that, though, unless you modify the permissions on it, won't generically be writeable over NFS, aiui
[03:58] <Seven_Six_Two> ok, I'm not sure how to change it, and it's bind mounted
[03:58] <nacc> or you need to do some swizzling, maybe
[03:58] <Seven_Six_Two> I changed the subfolder and all contents to g+rwX
[03:59] <patdk-lap> you setup kerberos?
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> no
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> no kerberos
[03:59] <Seven_Six_Two> trying to use uid gid
[03:59] <patdk-lap> not sure nfs4 will work right for security without it
[03:59] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i might be wrong on my point, as NFS4 has changed it signifcantly
[03:59] <patdk-lap> but then, I have only played with nfs4 on solaris
[03:59] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: were you following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
[04:00] <Seven_Six_Two> yes. that's one that I started with
[04:00] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i note that you have not set 'sec=sys' in both places
[04:01] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: from the client, what are the permissions on the directoryou want to write to (`ls -ahl`) ?
[04:02] <Seven_Six_Two> drwxrwxr-x 10 www-data www-data
[04:02] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and is your user either www-data or in the group www-data?
[04:03] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and note that help.ubuntu.com page tells you how to enable logging, which seems like something you should do
[04:03] <Seven_Six_Two> nacc, I think I skipped sec=sys because a bit later on, it says "They do not work", which I took to mean sec=sys in both places does not work. It looks like the guide has had multiple edits
[04:03] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: you have it on, in your client
[04:04] <Seven_Six_Two> interesting. I see that. It isn't in my mount command
[04:04] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: i believe if you set sec=sys on your client, then it will use local uid/gid to determine permissions
[04:04] <Seven_Six_Two> and I don't see where to put that in the server
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and if you are doing this as the 'fathead' user (based upon mountpoint), then you probably don't have appropriate permissions to write to the directory
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> so it's set, and uid and gid match
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> I added fathead to www-data group on client
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: are you logged in as that user?
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[04:05] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: did you logout & login after the group change?
[04:05] <Seven_Six_Two> rebooted
[04:06] <Seven_Six_Two> I hit that wall yesterday  ;)
[04:06] <Seven_Six_Two> uid=1000(fathead) gid=1000(fathead) groups=1000(fathead),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),110(sambashare),1001(realtime)
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: well, i'd start by adding the logging as on that page and see if it's client or server-side denial
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: and then https://workaround.org/articlenfs-secsys-or-ruin-your-day/ this sort of implies it's a pain...
[04:07] <nacc> Seven_Six_Two: sorry, i'm done for the day, gl! hopefully others can ehlp
[04:08] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks a lot nacc!
[04:09] <patdk-lap> why if you want something this basic, I would just recommend using nfs3
[04:10] <Seven_Six_Two> because I've made a bunch of changes, and I'm afraid that if I try to revert, I'll forget one, and get even more frustrated.
[04:10] <patdk-lap> that isn't hard
[04:10] <Seven_Six_Two> I mount nfsv3 shares, so I know it works
[04:10] <patdk-lap> nfs3 doesn't understand all that stuff or use it, so it will be ignored :)
[04:11] <patdk-lap> but if the goal is to use nfs4, sure
[04:11] <Seven_Six_Two> no. the goal is to make it work, and I guess my client assumed nfsv4 so I kept going on that road.
[04:12] <patdk-lap> yes, nfs4 has been the default for awhile
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> damn. nothing in the logs showing an error either.
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> ok. I'll try to switch back.
[04:16] <Seven_Six_Two> do I have to unbind the directory?
[04:20] <countingdaisies> I had no idea apache was this easy nor that it gave you such a deep level of control. Ya'all are a lifesaver for real.
[04:22] <countingdaisies> Someone else did that for me years ago with file paths and how that works and it opened up a whole new level for me bc of the one little conversation. Super cool.
[04:29] <Seven_Six_Two> so I think I've reverted everything. when I try to mount the nfs export using -t nfs
[04:30] <Seven_Six_Two> it still mounts nfsv4. and -t nfs3 isn't an option like nfs4
[04:33] <Seven_Six_Two> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo   even using NFS Client settings, instead of NFSv4 Client settings mounts as nfs4.
[04:43] <patdk-lap> vers=3
[04:44] <patdk-lap> you also likely didn't setup the server to reject v4 connections
[04:44] <Seven_Six_Two> no I don't think I did. I came across a blog that mentioned it, but the entirety of the instructions seemed overblown
[04:45] <patdk-lap> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160663
[04:45] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm using nfs3 using fstab where it's explicit. It's strange that that option isn't mentioned in mount manpage or any other nfs setup guide
[04:45] <patdk-lap> it's an option, vers=3
[04:46] <patdk-lap> I'm using nfsvers=3
[04:46] <Seven_Six_Two> oh that page. yeah, I didn't do that because I didn't need it for current mounts (but version is in fstab)
[04:46] <patdk-lap> in fstab: nfs.server.... /var/... nfs noatime,rw,nfsvers=3,rsize=131072,wsize=131072,hard,intr
[04:46] <Seven_Six_Two> and there was no confirmation that it works. and it's 4 years old
[04:46] <patdk-lap> oh, add on also _netdev
[04:47] <patdk-lap> well that is easy to verify, man rpc.mountd
[04:47] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah, I have it in fstab for my server, but I've had problems with long filesystem hangs when nfs mounts aren't available, and since this is a vm, putting mount in fstab seemed like a bad plan.
[04:47] <patdk-lap> nobootwait
[04:48] <Seven_Six_Two> I've had nautilus not list files in my home folder when nfs mounts aren't there.
[04:48] <Seven_Six_Two> ok, I'll look in to those. I saw _netdev on one tutorial
[04:48] <patdk-lap> you need _netdev
[04:49] <patdk-lap> nobootwait would depend on useage
[04:49] <patdk-lap> wait for nfs mount to work, during boot
[04:49] <Seven_Six_Two> do I just put _netdev in fstab?
[04:49] <patdk-lap> or skip
[04:49] <patdk-lap> yes
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> oh my. It finally works!
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> It only took me hours longer than it should have.
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks for your input patdk-lap
[05:02]  * Seven_Six_Two closes a thousand tabs, and turns music back on.
[06:33] <countingdaisies> Does anyone know what to do?  http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu
[06:34] <countingdaisies> I think I'm supposed to use apt-get to solve this one, but I need some clarification. Any help would really be appreciated.
[06:35] <countingdaisies> And it isn't clear to me what packages it's saying are missing (as in the exact package names)
[06:36] <alkisg> countingdaisies: since eramba isn't an ubuntu package, I would assume it's not supported in the ubuntu channels, but in their own channels...
[06:37] <alkisg> Don't they have any irc channels or forums or mailing lists to ask?
[06:42] <countingdaisies> alkisg: check it out, no they don't, not at all. They have very little documentation, what there is is glossed over (expected base knowledge is a bit high for me), it's a php application (which involves apache and mysql), and have very very little exper with any of them. This, eramba, is GRC software and is the only open source GRC software that I can find (probably is the only 'foss' one in...
[06:42] <countingdaisies> ...existance). I perceive it is a very very good application, but I need some help to get over the bumps on this. The ubuntu apache package is unique to ubuntu (ie: different than upstream) - that's what I'm told when I as questions in #httpd (and mysql is the same).  Are over 400 users logged into this chanel being forbidden to address my question?
[06:43] <countingdaisies> Mow I've been going in circles with this application for several weeks now - what exactly am I expected to do (other than what I'm doing right now)?
[06:44] <alkisg> countingdaisies: http://www.eramba.org/resources/enterprise-services/
[06:44] <countingdaisies> #ubuntu explicitly advised to come to this chanel with these questions earlier tonight
[06:44] <alkisg> I see they have support contracts there
[06:44] <countingdaisies> I know
[06:44] <alkisg> Well, that's how they are supposed to keep development going
[06:44] <countingdaisies> alkisg: if you don't want to talk about it then don't
[06:44] <countingdaisies> let someone else then
[06:45]  * lynorian has never used that software
[06:45] <countingdaisies> now I asked a very direct question: "Are over 400 users logged into this chanel being forbidden to address my question?"
[06:45] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: it isn't the most used software, so experience with it might be low
[06:45] <samba35> today i update my 16.04.1(for some package 16.04.1 is update long time back from 16.04 ) after update openvswitch is behaving very rude :( ,after every boot config setting is lost ,need to reconfigure every time
[06:45] <countingdaisies> cause then maybe the mod in #ubuntu would wonder why when he gave me explicit direction to come to this chanel with these questions
[06:45] <countingdaisies> no damit
[06:46] <lynorian> countingdaisies, no they are not forbidden to address your question sometimes people just might not know
[06:46] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: there was no experience there and he likely had hoped that the server folks might know
[06:46] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: no bad things in that
[06:47] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I only ever asked permission to ask the question (0bbiously I have to fight to be a part of the community)
[06:47] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: did you follow that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmxdBCLmk9c to get to your failing dependency checks?
[06:47] <samba35> cpaelzer: Hallo morning
[06:47] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: you never have to ask for permission to ask, but OTOH you can neither force an answer - especiall in a topic that only a super-low percentage has experience with
[06:48] <cpaelzer> hi samba35
[06:48] <samba35> is there was some update for openvswitch today/yesterday
[06:48] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I must smile comparing your rant on their documentation and seeing on the eramba website "the installation procedure has been well documented on our website"
[06:48] <cpaelzer> samba35: which release?
[06:48] <samba35> 16.04.1
[06:49] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6IQ4Kf8HM  and  https://github.com/ivuk/eramba-vagrant/blob/master/eramba_deploy.sh   are what I used, now I'm trying to work through the specific problems reported but unsure what they mean
[06:50] <countingdaisies> and the documentation on their site (I forgot)
[06:53] <alkisg> (08:44:39 πμ) countingdaisies: alkisg: if you don't want to talk about it then don't ==> I can't talk about it because I've never used it; I was just trying to help you in finding the correct place to get help. If you don't want that kind of help, I'll gladly stop trying to help you that way.
[06:53] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I never touched eramab, but skimming over their doc appears to me to be bound on very old dependencies
[06:53] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: e.g. look at Operating System Specs at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxh1knFcB6_ZVPUF4hy9i5XafIR3BijoZffCL_vjRVU/edit
[06:53] <cpaelzer> php7 not supported
[06:54] <cpaelzer> Maybe the doc is outdated, but that is what they link still
[06:54] <lynorian> cpaelzer, yeah that can easily happen for people to forget to update documentation
[06:55] <countingdaisies> alkisg: no offense. It's something I consider to be a barrier to finding the help I need. Again, no offense, just a sensitive spot for me
[06:55] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I had to downgrade to php5
[06:55] <cpaelzer> yeah--
[06:55] <countingdaisies> I think the community edition is the prev edition
[06:55] <lynorian> yes they have not updated the application to php 7 I think
[06:56] <countingdaisies> It was/is my only hope to ever use this type of software as i probably will never afford the cost associated with grc software.
[06:57] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I'd expect that their other deps are on an older level as well - and no matter how unreadable their check is - for know not knowing better, I'd assume that
[06:57] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: have you tried to set up on a ubuntu 14.04
[06:57] <cpaelzer> ?
[06:57] <countingdaisies> Could the dependency (eg: curl libraries  for example) be missing from within the application (rather than ubuntu)?
[06:58] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: my reading is that the system either doesn't have or has only incompatible libs/plugins of these
[06:58] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: I haven't. I suppose I would save that for a last ditch option though
[06:58] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: any chance you can read german - that seems straight forward (on 14.04) https://hpz.eu/blog/installation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04/
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: by "system" what do you think is being referred to? eramba? Ubuntu? Apache? or mysql?
[06:59] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: system = the operating system and its binraies/libraries
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: maybe 2 words  :)
[06:59] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: huge. ty, now I know 'where' to solve the problem
[07:00] <countingdaisies> ty so much
[07:01] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: autotranslate  is even kind of usable https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhpz.eu%2Fblog%2Finstallation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04%2F
[07:02] <cpaelzer> countingdaisies: I'd take the original to copy examples/configs to make sure not to get translations in there
[07:04] <countingdaisies> cpaelzer: right on
[07:07] <samba35> cpaelzer: if there was no update for openvswitch ,then how do diagnose or fix config lost issue
[07:09] <cpaelzer> samba35: I can't tell you what happened, I only checked and there was no new OVS release for Xenial as far as I could see
[07:09] <samba35> ic
[07:10] <cpaelzer> samba35: what config was lost - a file back to original content?
[07:11] <samba35> when u run ovs-vsctl show out is just two line /defualt line of version
[07:12] <cpaelzer> hm, that is in a db of ovsdb - I've even see that survive uninstalls/reinstalls
[07:13] <cpaelzer> samba35: I once realized that when removing the bridge all childs go away as well - might there be a chance such a thing happened for you?
[07:14] <samba35> but every boot ?
[07:14] <samba35> why config should lost and this happen today only
[07:15] <samba35> it was working fine till yesterday
[07:20] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: hi, the last qemu update for bug 1656480 seems to cause issues
[07:20] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: I don't really think it is the update - as the errors are in a totally different place
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: it more seems like people testing new ARM HW to me
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: yet we have these checks to be extra careful
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2016.04&package=qemu&period=day&version=1%3A2.5%2Bdfsg-5ubuntu10.8
[07:21] <Dmitrii-Sh_> cpaelzer: hmm, any bug id?
[07:21] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: I'll forward you the automated mail I got - it is just the #errors tracker that kicked in
[07:21] <Dmitrii-Sh_> cpaelzer: ok
[07:22] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh_: mail should be in your inbox
[07:23] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: got it, I'm going to have a look now
[07:30] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: I submitted a form to view error report data btw - not sure who marks this for approval
[07:34] <cpaelzer> I don't know either - the bot is from barry - maybe mail him?
[07:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: I can see that errors were triggered in the page translation code though
[07:34] <cpaelzer> yeah, that is what I ,eant  that I expect them to be not related
[07:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: not sure if that code path is even invoked
[07:34] <cpaelzer> ack
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 2 notes
[07:35] <cpaelzer> new arm  HW being tested is my guess
[07:35] <cpaelzer> and just happen to match the SRU by timing
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 1 - 16.10 had the same failure which contains this fix but from the upstream
[07:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: 2 - we should check x86_64 or any other arch as well
[07:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: ack
[08:40] <rbasak> nacc: I don't like the idea of shipping two versions. If too late to switch to 7.1 in main, I think we should remove it from universe and do the transition next cycle.
[08:40] <rbasak> Probably less important for a non-LTS though
[08:40] <rbasak> stretch isn't about to ship with both, is it?
[09:25] <Geom> mayu i know what is the cobinary command for build a .deb from source?
[09:25] <Geom> cobinary=binary*
[09:27] <cpaelzer> Geom: not exactly sure where you question is going to - debuild ?
[09:27] <cpaelzer> Geom: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
[09:28] <Geom> the link is perfect. thanks cpaelzer
[09:28] <cpaelzer> yw
[09:44] <Geom> my first ever deb is done… thanks again cpaelzer
[09:46] <cpaelzer> Geom: a pleasure to help, for better reliable builds if you do it more often I'd look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment
[09:46] <cpaelzer> Geom: but one step at a time - gz for your first deb!
[09:49] <Geom> Noted! :)
[10:15] <blueking> I am trying to get connection between tagged vlan on nic/ubuntu to vlan tagged  on switch  but no connection  the default vlan id 1 untagged works on switch-nic(ubuntu)
[10:26] <cpaelzer> rbasak: could you run the importer on dovecot so it can fetch latest Debian and give me a ping afterwards?
[10:30] <blueking> does it matter if auto bond0.100  iface bond0.100 inet static  vlan-raw-device bond0  or  auto vlan100  iface vlan100 inet static    ?
[10:30] <blueking> does it matter if auto bond0.100  iface bond0.100 inet static  vlan-raw-device bond0  or  auto vlan100  iface vlan100 inet static vlan-raw-device bond0   ?
[10:31] <blueking> problem get box online on vlan100
[10:32] <blueking> I can ping interface on that given ip on vlan100  but  not to router on same vlan
[11:53] <DK2> what does the server trying to load when it hangs at "Booting." ?
[11:53] <DK2> its stuck there forever
[11:54] <DK2> is grub missing?
[12:16] <cpaelzer> jamespage: wanted to check with you are ok with me enabling openvswitch-swicth-dpdk for bug 1663206?
[12:16] <jamespage> cpaelzer, go for it
[12:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ok
[12:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I expect it might hang on migration the same neturon test that zul is on already, but content wise I have it ready
[12:17] <cpaelzer> uploading after some tests
[12:24] <rbasak> cpaelzer: dovecot imported
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: just reviewed squid merge
[13:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: there are a few open points, let me know if you want to discuss any of them
[13:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thank you! I replied in the MP.
[13:29] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hmm not seeing the reply on the MP
[13:30]  * cpaelzer is hitting F5 over and over
[13:30] <rbasak> Hmm.
[13:30] <cpaelzer> rbasak: did you reply by mail and LP might need a minute to pick it up?
[13:30] <rbasak> I replied by email.
[13:30] <rbasak> Yeah, maybe!
[13:30] <rbasak> cpaelzer: stop being so efficient :-P
[13:31] <cpaelzer> hey I got so much done the last 24 hours - I could almost forget the 48 hours before where evything was §$%&/
[13:37] <rbasak> :)
[14:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hey could you throw your experienced LP-eyeballs at liblockfile for me?
[14:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I did a syncpackage yesterday after I sorted out remaining open points
[14:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but I can't find it anywhere (neither passed, nor proposed, nor on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblockfile)
[14:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: as if it would have been a no-op
[14:47] <clvx> Hi all, I want to know if there's a difference between choosing automatics over no automatics update at installation time on Ubuntu Server Xenial?.
[14:47] <nacc> rbasak: correct, stretch only has 7.0; 7.1 is only in unstable
[14:48] <clvx> This is because I have 2 vm's where one has automatic updates enabled and the other doesn't. Both have unattended-upgrades package installed, and pretty much the same config in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ . You can see the dump of the config files of both machines here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23960844/
[14:48] <cpaelzer> clvx: the if is auto-updates yes/no :-) do you mean if you can enable it later?
[14:49] <cpaelzer> clvx: I see, and one of them does not update as the other does?
[14:49] <clvx> So, I'm concerned if there's a difference, because the config files are identical.
[14:50] <clvx> cpaelzer: both do the updates.
[14:57] <cpaelzer> clvx: I'd think not, but you might need an d-i expert to answer if they do any extra twists there
[14:58] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I'd expect it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblockfile/+publishinghistory or in the "Latest upload" section. I see no trace either.
[14:58] <rbasak> Perhaps it was a Launchpad error that the syncpackage tool didn't detect?
[14:59] <rbasak> I don't recall if a sync leads to a confirmation email or not.
[14:59] <cpaelzer> rbasak: under the circumstances I'd run it again with verbose enabled
[14:59] <rbasak> I see no harm in trying to run it again.
[14:59] <clvx> cpaelzer: I'll open a question in askubuntu and wait for something. Thanks for your time.
[15:00] <cpaelzer> clvx: sorry I couldn't help more
[15:00] <cpaelzer> clvx: in fact I thought this is my chance for a reason to d-i code, but I couldn#t find a direct pointer
[15:00] <cpaelzer> in the source to the auto updates
[15:01] <cpaelzer> rbasak: this time I got a normal accept email
[15:01] <cpaelzer> can check on migration tomorrow then
[16:32] <zul> coreycb: is the dashboard stuff in git?
[16:38] <coreycb> zul, yeah
[17:03] <countingdaisies> I have this application I installed on 16.04 but its telling me there's a problem with curl libraries --> http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu     sudo dpkg -l | grep curl   gives the following result -->  http://imgur.com/a/jxmNu   Is there any way to tell more precisely what the problem is?
[17:07] <compdoc> how did you install eramba?
[17:07] <compdoc> normally, apt resolves dependecies
[17:19] <countingdaisies> compdoc: sorry, was off looking for answers answers. I use a combination of the only 3 decent information I could find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6IQ4Kf8HM    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxh1knFcB6_ZVPUF4hy9i5XafIR3BijoZffCL_vjRVU/edit    and    https://github.com/ivuk/eramba-vagrant/blob/master/eramba_deploy.sh  Last night someone showed me some web page in German on it (I...
[17:19] <countingdaisies> ...don't speak German) but they ran it through a translator   https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhpz.eu%2Fblog%2Finstallation-von-eramba-auf-ubuntu-14-04%2F    (but I'm running 16.04).
[17:20] <countingdaisies> There are several issues with it and I'm not sure the best one to pick fix first (sometimes fixing one thing solves the others - if you get the right one). So I just tried to pick something concrete (one concrete problem its showing me) and ask help for it.
[17:23] <countingdaisies> compdoc: One of the issues is that this (community edition) is the old version (you pay for the up to date one). Probably it's his first beta and never updated it after that. I had to (try to) downgrade to php5 and I think that it generally can only run with old versions of stuff (libraries, etc).
[17:25] <compdoc> sorry, on the phone with a customer. their internet is down
[19:28] <BrianBlaze420> I am trying to install an older version of ubuntu onto a tower so I can update a server on the side and not effect the production server
[19:28] <powersj> nacc: can I please get you to import nagios-nrpe
[19:28] <BrianBlaze420> my issue is I can't get passed the detect and mount cd
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> I am booting via cd lol
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> also I tried booting from usb same issue
[19:29] <BrianBlaze420> how can I get around that
[19:29] <nacc> powersj: running
[19:29] <powersj> nacc: thank you sir
[19:35] <sarnold> BrianBlaze420: what error message do you get?
[19:43] <BrianBlaze420> Unable to detect cd-rom drive select device
[19:44] <BrianBlaze420> normally when I got this message I booted from usb and then had an install disc in the cd rom drive to get around this
[19:44] <BrianBlaze420> but it's not working and can't detect my cd-rom which it is booted off of lol
[19:46] <BrianBlaze420> to make it worse i have no commands to actually see the drives in the console
[19:46] <BrianBlaze420> and when I do an ls of /dev there are too many and none look like a cdrom drive
[19:51] <sarnold> hrm I don't have any systems with cdrom drives installed
[19:51] <sarnold> it makes it a bit hard to figure out what to suggest if I can't test first :)
[19:51] <sarnold> lsblk perhaps? dmesg | grep sd perhaps?
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> it's busybox
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> so lsblk, fdisk lsusb
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420>  do not work :'(
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> all it sees is my hdd installed in the tower :(
[19:52] <BrianBlaze420> with dmesg
[19:53] <BrianBlaze420> the irritating thing is I get the same message when I try with a usb
[19:53] <nacc> ls -ahl /dev/disk ?
[19:54] <nacc> err, /dev/disk/by-path
[19:55] <BrianBlaze420> it only sees sda... which is my hddd
[19:55] <BrianBlaze420> weird
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> especially weird because it boots from cd and usb lol
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> without issues it's just when it's trying to detect a cd-rpm
[19:56] <BrianBlaze420> cd-rom*
[19:57] <sarnold> you could try setting a pxe booting environment instead; set up a tftp server with install media, setup a dhcp server to point to it, and go that way. I've done that before when I didn't have spare usb flash drive laying around to do an install
[20:00] <BrianBlaze420> it just makes no sense to me that I have to do weird work arounds when I can boot from cd's and usb's no problem even this ubuntu install works up until it needs to detect the cd rom... I will have to do a pxe
[20:01] <sarnold> I wonder..
[20:01] <sarnold> sometimes bioses can be set to do silly things with the storage
[20:01] <sarnold> maybe treating the sata ports as pata compatibility or using a raid setup rather than ahci or who knows what
[20:02] <sarnold> maybe a few minutes in the bios first would save you the hassle of pxeing?
[20:03] <BrianBlaze420> true
[20:03] <BrianBlaze420> thanks for putting thoughts in my brain
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> u r a genius sarnold
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> of cours it was a bios setting lol
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> thanks very much
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> lol
[20:05] <sarnold> great! :D
[20:05] <sarnold> much easier than goofing around with pxe and tftp and dhcp
[20:05] <sarnold> not that that's terrible
[20:05] <BrianBlaze420> I know right
[20:06] <sarnold> but this is way eaiser
[20:06] <BrianBlaze420> but it's a good idea to have
[20:06] <BrianBlaze420> one thing at a time tho :)
[20:06] <nacc> powersj: done
[21:15] <teward> anyone got a Yakkety server that isn't a production-critical system, and want to help me test something quickly?
[21:15] <teward> sarnold: ^ relevant if only because PIE may have blown stuff up in nginx Stable for Yakkety
[21:15] <rbasak> No, but "lxc launch ubuntu:yakkety"? :)
[21:16] <teward> assuming lxc was installed
[21:16] <teward> i think i removed it at one point...
[21:17] <rbasak> Why?
[21:17] <teward> because it fubard networking for a time
[21:18] <rbasak> Hmm.
[21:18] <teward> default put it on a conflict subnet
[21:18] <teward> so i had to remove the bridge
[21:18] <rbasak> The latest lxd packaging works hard to avoid conflicting I think.
[21:18] <teward> NOW i can fix it heh
[21:18] <teward> rbasak: 16.04 fresh install
[21:18] <teward> wasn't as kind.
[21:18] <teward> it also won't detect other VLANs :P
[21:18] <teward> it was in conflict with my DMZ subnet
[21:18] <teward> where DNS on my network sits
[21:26] <rizonz> I have a /19 which I use where a server has a <IP_ADDRESS> on eht0 and a <IP_ADDRESS> on eth1, all outbound traffic needs to go over eth0 and local over eth1... issue when my routers are in <IP_ADDRESS>/29
[21:27] <rizonz> or not ?
[21:55] <sarnold> rizonz: I don't know how to configure your setup but this guide will teach you how to make the kernel do what you need http://lartc.org/howto/
[21:55] <sarnold> rizonz: translating that into configuration files so it's still set the next reboot may take more work still
[22:00] <rizonz> sarnold: there is no nextboot issue
[22:18] <tomreyn> rizonz: you can pointopoint the <IP_ADDRESS> to your router
[22:20] <tomreyn> like this https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Netzkonfiguration_Debian/en#Dedicated_Servers
[22:20] <tomreyn> it's ugly but it works
[22:32] <rizonz> tomreyn: why is it ugly ?
[22:33] <tomreyn> well the netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:34] <tomreyn> either your ip address and that of your gateway is formally / logically outside of that ;)
[22:35] <tomreyn> s/ and / or /
[22:36] <rizonz> meh
[22:36] <rizonz> doesn't work
[23:12] <rizonz> sarnold: should it be possible ?
[23:13] <sarnold> rizonz: just about anything is possible
[23:13] <sarnold> rizonz: you may need to insert direct routes to your routers if they aren't reachable via the subnet routing rules you've already got
[23:13] <rizonz> sarnold: true but this is weird that my ping stops on my eth0 when I do my /19 route on my eth1
[23:14] <rizonz> when I traceroute on the box, all traffic floats out on eth0
[23:14] <sarnold> 'ip route get' may help you understand what the machine is doing
[23:17] <rizonz> fixed :)
[23:18] <sarnold> great :)
[23:20] <rizonz> sarnold: needed the route to my router on the eth0


[03:11] <tonyyarusso> k-rad: What can we do for you?
[03:12] <k-rad> it is in my opinion that the #ubuntu-offtopic channel sanctioned by ubuntu needs more active moderation in order for those with psychological impairment in there, leave negativity behind, and not give advice amongst community members that is total misinformation.  even MadPilot, an ubuntu op, get upset because i claimed i believed many of them needed psychological assistance.  there is something disrupting about two people watching the same movie and
[03:12] <k-rad>  going back and forth for hours on end, with the words, zombie, zombie, zombie being repeated over and over.  i believe in a spirit of peace and helping each other out, not carrying grudges over a statement i wholeheartedly stand by
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> Why yes, getting upset at you saying people need psychological assistance is perfectly reasonable.  And if you expected useful advice from a non-support channel, well...
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> So what exactly is the real problem?
[03:14] <k-rad> is it beyond the realm of possibility that despite them being upset, it being perfectly true ?
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> You are not qualified to make that judgement.
[03:15] <k-rad> i hold no credentials as a doctor, but i do believe i'm qualified enough to judge that the conversations that go on in there, is psychobabble
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> Then find a different channel that better suits what you're looking for.
[03:16] <tonyyarusso> Not to mention looking up "psychobabble".
[03:16] <k-rad> while i may not be qualified to certify that statement, i do believe it to be perfectly true
[03:17] <k-rad> the channel belongs to Ubuntu.  if your going to stand up and moderate it, why not make it a gathering place of fellowship
[03:17] <k-rad> instead of knee jerk reactions
[03:17] <IdleOne> k-rad: The thing is that in the spirit of Ubuntu it is not ok for you to say that someone needs psychological help because of a conversation about a movie, no matter how inane that conversation was.
[03:18] <k-rad> it wasn't just because of the dialog of the movie
[03:18] <tonyyarusso> From what I've heard / read so far, it seems like you're the one out of line with Ubuntu community guidelines.
[03:18] <maco> k-rad: you honestly don't think it's insulting in any way to criticise a person's mental condition?
[03:18] <k-rad> it is !o4o to suggest that people in a offtopic channel might need psychological assistance ?
[03:19] <k-rad> i would been more than happy to lead them to sanity.
[03:19] <maco> it's certainly quite *rude* -- and i think we have some guidelines about respectful
[03:19] <IdleOne> I agree that sometimes the conversation in offtopic is "off the wall" to say the least and if it was bothering you that much you could of ignored it, started a new topic, left the channel but insulting people is not acceptable
[03:19] <k-rad> i did not mention any nicks
[03:20] <k-rad> i made a statment which i believed to be entirely factual
[03:20] <IdleOne> ok so you addressed the entire channel
[03:20] <IdleOne> even less ok
[03:21] <IdleOne> Don't get me wrong I am not trying to defend the conversation about the movie. I saw it last night also but I ignored it and found something else to do.
[03:21] <k-rad> i had no idea, that i was not allowed to join this channel.  you should put it on key
[03:21] <maco> which channel?
[03:21] <k-rad> i see his point now
[03:22] <IdleOne> you are allowed to join this channel and speak your mind about something Ubuntu related.
[03:22] <IdleOne> nobody said you can't
[03:22] <k-rad> while i addressed the entire channel, i did not mean to say the entire channel needed psychological help, so that argument doesn't hold much weight
[03:22] <maco> and the channel *does* need more ops -- but for the borderline trolls it attracts, not because you find the conversation boring
[03:23] <IdleOne> you are the one who said you didn't mention names in defense of your statement
[03:23]  * tonyyarusso is convinced this doesn't warrant any further time expenditure at this juncture, goes back to reading.
[03:23] <k-rad> that would be correct.  to do so would be to engage in something back and forth which would have resulted in a war of some sort.
[03:24] <IdleOne> exactly. How long do you think it would of taken the two parties to take offense to the comment seeing how they were the only ones really talking at the time
[03:25] <k-rad> i had been in that channel for over the duration of the dialog between the two people watching that movie
[03:25] <IdleOne> anyway, the code of conduct says to be respectful at all times. Not just when everything is going great but especially when things you don't like or agree with are happening
[03:26] <IdleOne> So, the conversation about the movie was long and boring and at times maybe even crazy but that doesn't mean you can go around saying people are crazy.
[03:28] <k-rad> and suggesting psychological help is an insult or rather at attempt to get through to people that the inanity that goes on in that channel, not just last night, but there's all sorts of stuff all the time, it seems illogical to me, and thats what strikes the chord
[03:28] <k-rad> i never once said the word crazy
[03:28] <IdleOne> i was paraphrasing
[03:29] <k-rad> thank goodness #ubuntu-offtopic isn't an ubuntu product
[03:29] <k-rad> thank you for your time
[03:32] <k-rad> may i ask what todays offense was that i had done in #ubuntu-offtopic that got me banned ?
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> k-rad: You highlighted your own misdeeds by bringing them up again here.  You should have been banned at the time 20 hours ago.
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Clearly the channel is a poor fit for you at this point in time.
[03:34] <k-rad> the misdeeds part of that statement is up for refutal.  i have been seeing mental health professionals at least once for the last 15 years.  i'm no doctor, and i certainly did not insult any particular individual
[03:35] <k-rad> at least once every month
[03:35] <k-rad> btw, did you ban aubade ?
[03:36] <IdleOne> k-rad: My mother has worked for OBGYN for 34 years that doesn't make her qualified in any way to diagnose anything medical related
[03:37] <k-rad> i'd say delivering babies is in no way related to the workings of the human mind
[03:37] <IdleOne> but when she does offer her opinion on any medical issue she does not insult the person she is talking to.
[03:37] <k-rad> would you grep the logs and find the exact insult
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> Wait, did we just devolve into a self-inflicted "it takes one to know one" argument?
[03:37] <IdleOne> yes
[03:37] <maco> tonyyarusso: yes
[03:38] <IdleOne> my yes was also to tonyyarusso
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Wow, special.  Allrighty.
[03:38] <IdleOne> anyway, I got something I need to read.
[03:39] <k-rad> is anyone here calling my sanity in question ?
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> as do I.  Many, many things to read :(
[03:41] <maco> IdleOne: seriously? that dude just went "watch me break the rules so they have the bot scold me"???
[03:41] <IdleOne> I didn't see that
[03:42] <IdleOne> oh he did
[03:42] <IdleOne> well it's up to you if you want to remove him for it but now he has been warned and if he does it again...
[03:44] <IdleOne> k-rad: Please see the topic
[04:34] <k-rad> correction, that would be at least once a month the past 22 years.
[07:58] <Flannel> ikonia: Kindly fix your ISP
[08:13] <Tm_T> Flannel: you mean his connection? fixing ISP is bit too much (:
[08:47] <Tm_T> tsimpson: jussi: "So if you’re active on our IRC channels and you are available in the specified times (or at least part of them)" ...which specified times?
[09:07] <topyli> tm_T: hrm. i don't think we have a timezone-specific wishlist this time. that must be a leftover from an old blurb
[09:08] <jussi> Tm_T: , topyli is correct. it was an accidental leave in by tsimpson.
[09:09] <topyli> copy/paste magic
[09:10] <Tm_T> right, maybe worth mentioning (:
[09:10] <Tm_T> hmm, bantracker insist keeping the nocturnus forward
[09:11] <Tm_T> this seems to be enough to stop the loop
[09:11] <Tm_T> ...or not
[09:12] <jussi> hrm?
[09:13] <jpds> Tm_T: I think he was just taking evasive maneuvers.
[09:14] <jussi> mind, here it doesnt really matter to me. in purely practical terms, its not hurting any productivity here - at least not at the moment. in #ubuntu however, might be worth a thought.
[09:14] <Tm_T> jussi: I know, that's why I'm not making any bans, just testing if that's enough if timed well
[09:15] <jussi> Tm_T: fair enough :)
[09:15] <Tm_T> sometimes remove done in the right moment is enough, but I don't know yet what it is
[09:16] <knome> no
[09:16] <knome> :P
[09:16] <Tm_T> awww
[09:17] <Tm_T> I have never understood these in-out-in-out routines anyway
[09:24] <topyli> i'm correcting the ops call
[09:24] <Tm_T> thanks (:
[09:30] <topyli> tm_T: thanks for pointing it out. good to know that some people actually read those announcements properly! :)
[09:31] <Tm_T> np, I only skimmed it through at first but as I didn't find any mention about timezone, I had to comb it couple times to make sure I didn't miss anything
[09:50] <ikonia> looks like my connection has been terrible recently
[09:50] <ikonia> apologies
[09:52] <Tm_T> np (:
[13:20] <ikonia> howdy Hobbsee
[13:20]  * Hobbsee waves
[17:49] <jussi> any ops who are also members about =?
[17:50] <jpds> Oh hi.
[17:50] <IdleOne> jussi: mahen23 needs a ban from -ot. he has been talked to by topyli about his attitude and general no respect for !guidelines before
[17:51] <jussi> jpds: could you pastebin the contents of the LP email you got when you were added to the irc members team?
[17:52] <jpds> jussi: http://spooky.ubuntuwire.com/~jpds/irc.txt
[17:52] <jussi> sigh...
[17:52] <lhavelund> IdleOne: needs a ban?
[17:53] <IdleOne> yes
[17:53] <jussi> jpds: launchpad is very annoying. thanks
[17:53] <IdleOne> imo he does
[17:53] <lhavelund> IdleOne: I trust your judgment on that
[17:53] <IdleOne> thank you.
[17:55] <IdleOne> joins the channel and posts a 2 month old TPB link then starts up with women not being good at coding. less then 36 hours ago topyli had a talk with him about the guidelines and CoC.
[17:55] <jussi> heh, that looked like you banned doyle
[18:55] <Seeker`> I would like to reiterate my request to have my access removed in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic.
[18:59] <jussi> Seeker`: I was under the impression you could do it yourself, however I havent confirmed it. that said:
[18:59] <jussi> [20:58:20] [ChanServ] Flags -votiA were set on Seeker in #ubuntu.
[18:59] <jussi> [20:58:35] [ChanServ] Flags -votiA were set on Seeker in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[19:23] <Seeker`> jussi: thanks. I'll leave here now.
[19:49] <Tm_T> hmmm
[22:39] <nhandler> I'm doing some work on the freenode faq and other website pages. I was wondering if there were any common questions you find yourselves answering all of the time that could do with a nice entry in the faq that you could then link people to
[22:46] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: Yes, "Why the hell is the group registration process still so horribly broken?  Hasn't it been like six years?"  ;)
[22:47] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: It isn't broken, just slow. If people would volunteer to work on the GMS, the problem would go away.
[22:48] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: Uh huh.  Maybe they should have written it in a language that people still program in.
[22:48] <Pici> "Why is the GMS written in perl/php/fortran and not python?"
[22:48] <nhandler> But that might be worth including
[22:49] <Pici> nhandler: But seriously, perhaps something about +r or +b ~a
[22:49] <nhandler> Pici: The extbans are mentioned on using_the_network, does it need more information?
[22:49] <Pici> nhandler: I mean information for users who can't talk in a channel that they've never been in.
[22:50] <Pici> Or similar.
[22:50] <tonyyarusso> I love how staff's answer is always "but things will be great once we finish this vaporware!" instead of "oh hey, maybe we should deal with the current problem instead of just pointing to some pie-in-the-sky eventual someday solution".
[22:51] <nhandler> Pici: Good idea. Just a generic 'Why can't I join/talk in #foo'.
[22:52] <Pici> nhandler: Something like that.
[22:52] <Pici> I'm thinking of questions I see in #freenode often.
[22:54] <nhandler> Pici: Yep. Those are the types of things I want to add ;)
[23:39] <Pici> Hiya
[23:40] <zkriesse> Hallo, have a question re: that email sent out for needed ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:40] <Pici> Ask away
[23:40] <zkriesse> Can I apply to such a thing?
[23:41] <zkriesse> I've got much experience in the #ubuntu channels, and I op a few channels of my own that are ubuntu teams
[23:41] <zkriesse> #ubuntu-youth is one
[23:42] <zkriesse> I know i'm not SUPER active in #ubuntu like i should be but i'm not in-active
[23:42] <Pici> Sure, you can apply.
[23:43] <zkriesse> Do i send in an email somewhere? Of just put testimonials for such an endeavor somewhere on my wiki page
[23:43] <Pici> You can apply to the launchpad team(s).  Let me grab a link.
[23:43] <zkriesse> K
[23:43] <zkriesse> I seem to have lost the email darn it
[23:45] <Pici> https://launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-offtopic-ops and https://launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-ops and the mail to the list is here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-November/001129.html
[23:46] <zkriesse> thanks very much!
[23:46] <Pici> You're welcome.
[23:46] <zkriesse> What are you looking for in the application? IRC experience and such?
[23:47] <Pici> zkriesse: Not necessarily, you'll need to be somewhat familiar with IRC, but the rest we can help with.  The email actually has a good set of bullet points for what we expect to see.
[23:48] <zkriesse> Ok,
[23:48] <zkriesse> I'm not on the mailing list for that email apparently...there's an archive somewhere correct?
[23:48] <Pici> zkriesse: The third link I provided above.
[23:48] <zkriesse> thank thee
[23:48]  * zkriesse facepalms
[23:49] <Pici> :)
[23:50] <zkriesse> Ok! thanks!
[23:50]  * zkriesse goes to write up his application


[04:27] <evand> cjwatson: I'm a bit confused by this main promotion process.  The wiki page says that I should hold any necessary discussion on -devel (presumably -devel-discuss now) but SeedManagement seems to imply this has to be done.  Should I do this?
[04:28] <evand> MainInclusionProcess also says that I should add it to a seed (presumably the installer seed), but I believe I'd need to be a core dev to do this, so am I safe in assuming that you will take care of that part?
[04:31] <evand> hrm, I probably could've asked that in -devel
[10:02] <cjwatson> jharr: I don't know it well enough, unfortunately :(
[10:02] <cjwatson> evand: that's only if a reviewer comes back to you with queries
[10:02] <cjwatson> (pitti and iwj are the two reviewers for this at present)
[10:02] <cjwatson> evand: yeah, I'll take care of seeding it; in fact I'll do that now
[10:31] <cjwatson> evand: seeded (sorry for delay, mornings tend to have so much incoming stuff for me that I usually thrash for a bit)
[01:58] <evand> ok
[01:58] <evand> thanks
[02:19] <evand> cjwatson: sorry about posting it to -discuss then.  I did end up asking in -devel last night and they suggested that it couldn't hurt to post it.
[02:20] <cjwatson> yeah, it's ok
[05:25] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1847 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py):
[05:25] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * New partitioner: Don't allow creating a disk label or creating, editing,
[05:25] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  or deleting a partition while other similar operations are in progress.
[10:51] <jharr> I think I spotted an installer bug with lvm2.
[10:51] <jharr> My preseed stuff was working last night
[10:52] <jharr> but today it busted.
[10:52] <jharr> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~jharr/motu/
[10:52] <jharr> I gotta run, but if anyone is interested, check those out.


[01:23] <wrst> greetings cyberanger
[01:23]  * wrst is not for sure how running pc-bsd in a VM is going to work out
[03:53] <chris4585> I just encountered an odd issue, when I turn my brothers computer on grub does not display at all
[03:53] <chris4585> I hit esc a few times, hit down arrow key a few times to get to boot windows :/
[03:53] <chris4585> not quite sure whats causing this issue
[03:54] <chris4585> nothing appears to load visually until gdm loads
[06:17] <orias> bios shows though right? have you tried to refresh grub?
[06:22] <chris4585> yeah bios does, but not grub, how do  you refresh grub?
[06:31] <orias> once you get in the grub prompt you run a command. look up in the ubuntu wiki update grub and it should walk you through it, its part of reinstalling grub if another os hoses the grub install. quick and easy. sorry i dont remember anything specific
[06:31] <orias> ofc you will want to backup your grub files first
[06:33] <orias> good luck!
[07:19] <chris4585> meh, I think I will just leave it, I don't think my brother minds imagining grub
[08:04] <cyberanger> chris4585: or ignoring it for that matter
[08:04] <cyberanger> wrst: not a usual blend of bsd, so idk
[12:03] <cyberanger> Morning everyone
[12:04] <cyberanger> .weather 37311
[12:04] <cyberanger> oh, the bot's gone again
[12:04] <cyberanger> wrst: where did your bot go?
[19:37] <xpistos> Hey guys
[19:37] <xpistos> Can someone give me a hand with my NFS shares? Something is missing on my 11.04 box
[20:18] <orias> whas up?
[20:19] <orias> whats*
[20:45] <wrst> cyberanger:  you want it back?
[21:44] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[21:44] <testbot8570> Scattered, 87.8℉ (31℃), 29.96in (1011mb), Light breeze 6kt (↑) - KCHA 19:53Z
[22:55] <cyberanger> wrst: if it's working, why not
[23:57] <orias> Whats a Wiki Jams?