[19:36] <trijntje> ioria: I can still start programs from the terminal, and move windows around with the alt-key, so its sort of usable
[19:37] <SergalSwagger> hello, I've lost my sound using ALSA, I got rid of pluse cos I didn't want to use it and it stopped working
[19:37] <ioria> trijntje,  oh... so what broken ... launcher , panel ?
[19:37] <frojnd> Hi there.
[19:37] <trijntje> ioria: top bar, window decorators, unity launcher, compiz keybindings, virtual desktops
[19:37] <frojnd> I'm trying to use fastboot with Ubuntu 15.10 but I can't seem to recognite device with lsusb... I've tried for s5 mini and s advance... what do I have to do to recognize a device in recovery mode from Ubuntu 15.10?
[19:38] <ioria> trijntje,  ok,... did you try to install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[19:38] <WizardGed> frojnd: you may need a udev rule
[19:38] <OerHeks> frojnd, disable fastboot, that is the culprit with usb device issues
[19:39] <SergalSwagger> anyone know how to get my sound back?
[19:39] <bingo> gdisk is a deb package for gpt disk format
[19:39] <WizardGed> also does 16.04 have a netinstall iso
[19:39] <trijntje> ioria: I dont think that works, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[19:39] <bingo> wiz - yes
[19:40] <fortean_dad> does anyone know how to get the 16.04 software centre to open apt://appname urls off web pages?
[19:40] <WizardGed> bingo: can you tell me where to look as it's not on the releases page
[19:41] <frojnd> OerHeks: what do u mean by disable fsatboot? I don't have fastboot running... it's in Android studio platform-tools directory?
[19:41] <frojnd> WizardGed: what kind of udev rule?
[19:41] <SergalSwagger> i've tried re-installing alsa but it hasn't healped
[19:42] <merpyyyy> How big keys does openssh support, want to type of key should i make to be safe ? Thanks a lot in advance!
[19:42] <trijntje> why was the -a option removed form dpkg-reconfigure ?
[19:42] <OerHeks> frojnd, oh, i read windows fastboot ( hybernate file)
[19:43] <frojnd> well.. what should I do?
[19:43] <frojnd> I need to communicate with android devices and I don't know how to when they are in recovery mode
[19:45] <dgshin> ?
[19:46] <WizardGed> frojnd: do me a favour and type mtp-connect and take the output and put it in a pastebin where you can link us
[19:47] <frojnd> WizardGed: what package has mtp-devices?
[19:47] <ndhoa> hi!
[19:47] <frojnd> WizardGed: what package has mtp-connect?
[19:48] <EriC^^> !find mtp-connect
[19:49] <frojnd> EriC^^: thanx
[19:49] <EriC^^> frojnd: ^
[19:49] <trijntje> how can I install the gnome3 desktop environment, without all gnome-default packages?
[19:49] <EriC^^> np
[19:49] <trijntje> !gnome3
[19:50] <OerHeks> trijntje, with something like --no-install-recommends\
[19:50] <WizardGed> frojnd: EriC^^is correct sorry for not responding so quickly
[19:51] <trijntje> I'll give gnome3 a go, brb
[19:52] <akik> anybody know how to change text color in mate menus? they're now gray on gray
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> !themes | akik
[19:53] <frojnd> WizardGed: it just says libmtp version: 1.1.9 and No devices.
[19:53] <Hobbyboy> What automatically mounts inserted cds/dvds in ubuntu?
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> akik  http://mate-desktop.com/themes/
[19:54] <akik> MonkeyDust: the theme is ok but just the text color in the menus is wrong
[19:54] <frojnd> WizardGed: any other ideas?
[19:55] <akik> MonkeyDust: but i'll try those themes, thanks
[19:56] <frojnd> WizardGed: Don't know if this is important or not.. I didn't enable Android debugging before that (My screen/lcd is totally broken and I'm just trying to factory reset device via fastboot)
[19:57]  * WizardGed dies a little
[20:00] <WizardGed> frojnd: you can do that by holding down power and volume - on reboot without it plugged in
[20:01] <OerHeks> frojnd, so the device is broken, good luck with that
[20:01] <frojnd> WizardGed: I tried multiple times but it's not working
[20:01] <frojnd> OerHeks: no it's not broken :)
[20:02] <frojnd> OerHeks: when it powers on I can call myself.. I can hear viber messages..
[20:02] <frojnd> OerHeks: I need to factory reset it somehow.. for your info I can't use fastboot with any other device like s advance or motorola
[20:02] <frojnd> so maybe the problem is not with phones
[20:04] <tgm4883> frojnd: "My screen/lcd is totally broken"
[20:06] <WizardGed> frojnd: your other option is to enable developer mode in android connect via adb and reboot to fastboot via console
[20:08] <frojnd> WizardGed: how can I do that if I didn't accept fingerprint?
[20:08] <frojnd> WizardGed: or enable Android device before?
[20:09] <WizardGed> frojnd: accept fingerprint?
[20:10] <frojnd> WizardGed: don't see anything on android phone (screen is broken)
[20:10] <idioticME> i just made one of those big dumb linux mistakes... i ran this command "chmod 770 /"
[20:10] <kriskropd> I'm using a bitnami provided ubuntu 14.04 vmdk on an ssd as a host os on an old Dell inspiron537s computer - it boot's to prompt just fine, however the keyboard is completely unresponsibe and the network interface is not grabbing an address form dhcp, evidently - can anyone help? I can live boot to usb and change things, I just don't know what to change
[20:10] <EriC^^> idioticME: you mean chmod -R 770 / ?
[20:10] <idioticME> or perhaps "chmod -R 770 /", i can't tell..
[20:10] <idioticME> yeah
[20:11] <idioticME> i feel so sad right now
[20:11] <EriC^^> which ubuntu?
[20:11] <zed> hello
[20:11] <idioticME> ubuntu-mate
[20:11] <EriC^^> 14.04?
[20:11] <idioticME> lates yes
[20:11] <kriskropd> idioticME: without the -R, it would be a simple fix, with -R - einstall time
[20:11] <kriskropd> reinstall*
[20:11] <frojnd> well what the hell... this shouldn't be so hard to get image from a phone that has broken screen?
[20:12] <EriC^^> idioticME: type stat -c %a /etc/passwd
[20:12] <kriskropd> idioticME: I think everyone's done it at least once before
[20:13] <WizardGed> if all you want to do is get an image get a microusb to usb and a mouse
[20:13] <baer-devl> frojnd: if u cant connect through fastboot or adb(as root) it will be pretty hard
[20:13] <idioticME> kriskropd thanks
[20:13] <idioticME> when the computer is totally frozen, i can upload an image if you suggest
[20:13] <idioticME> or should i operate from another system on the harddrive?
[20:14] <WizardGed> if the fingerprint scanner is broken too though you're hosed
[20:14] <EriC^^> is it still running?
[20:14] <idioticME> yes
[20:14] <idioticME> i have a livecd
[20:14] <EriC^^> try that command
[20:14] <idioticME> its froze
[20:14] <drunkendwarf> Hi all. Im uding Ubuntu on an armhf system (chromebook) .. if some software I want to use is compiled to .deb for an amd64 system, im guessing there's not much I can do about it? (its closed source, so I can't compile myself)
[20:14] <EriC^^> idioticME: ok try booting a live session
[20:15] <WizardGed> idioticME: try ctrl-alt f3
[20:15] <idioticME> alright, brb im kinda in chock
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> !arm | drunkendwarf
[20:16] <idioticME> WizardGed: i had tried that, it froze.
[20:16] <idioticME> give the livecd 2 sec
[20:16] <luiz> tarde pessoal
[20:16] <WizardGed> idioticME: oh well worth a try :)
[20:17] <idioticME> 4sure
[20:17] <Apachez> where can I find out what ubiquity does when you select a different language such as swedish?
[20:18] <riverloop> Hello!
[20:18] <riverloop> Menu-s for some applications are missing in 16.04. What may be the problem?
[20:18] <Apachez> I guess my question is close to the one in however this one didnt get any answer either https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2010-March/000622.html
[20:19] <riverloop> I'm using Hexchat now. It used to have menu-s in 14.04, but there's no menu in 16.04
[20:19] <riverloop> Sublime Text 3 is another example.
[20:20] <matthewkim> Chromium browser doesn't open in ubuntu 16.04 because of abort (core dumped), please help me.
[20:20] <xxx> do you really want chromium?
[20:21] <xxx> uninstall and install chrome
[20:21] <xxx> go to google and find chrome as .deb
[20:21] <xxx> is easy to install
[20:21] <riverloop> matthewkim: I use the development version (ppa) and it works fine.
[20:22] <matthewkim> xxx, riverloop: thanks very much
[20:22] <drunkendwarf> xxx I wanted to do that, could only find the i386 or amd64 packages though
[20:22] <\9> xxx: and then you'll need to update it manually
[20:22] <KnightRider> you guys don't have problems with installing .deb on 16.04?
[20:22] <KnightRider> i had to use gdebi to install chrome
[20:22] <riverloop> \9: No google adds it repository on first installation.
[20:22] <\9> oh
[20:23] <\9> well then
[20:23] <riverloop> matthewkim: Try adding this ppa "ppa:saiarcot895/chromium-dev"
[20:23] <matthewkim> riverloop: thanks again. !!
[20:24] <riverloop> I have been using it for quite some months (even when I was using 14.04) and it worked remarkably well for me, without any crashes/errors.
[20:25] <ltelmo> i had to use gdebi too , software center would not work
[20:25] <mcphail> drunkendwarf: if it is chrome you are looking for, I'm afraid Google don't provide a version for ARM linux. There is no way around that, beyond using qemu which is far too slow to be useful
[20:25] <xxx> mine ubuntu 16.04 installed fine, did you updated and dist-upgraded before?
[20:25] <riverloop> Yeah, seems like the bugs in the new software center haven't been ironed out. Hopefully we will get updates in a few days.
[20:26] <Hoso001> I am having a weird issue. Every left click is registering as a double click? Any tips?
[20:26] <riverloop> Btw, does someone have missing menu-s?
[20:27] <riverloop> At least HexChat and Sublime Text don't have menu-s. They mysteriously disappeared in the new 16.04.
[20:27] <Hoso001> Its the weirdest thing, I think its connected to my graphics drivers
[20:27] <Hoso001> I am using the AMD closed source drivers.
[20:27] <idioticME> i am in the livecd and have open'd the root filesystem partition EriC^^ kriskropd
[20:27] <Hoso001> Btw I am on the latest ubuntu lts release
[20:28] <Hoso001> *LTS release
[20:28] <riverloop> Strange, LibreOffice doesn't have menu either!
[20:28] <EriC^^> idioticME: ok, type stat -c %a /path/to/root/etc/passwd
[20:30] <riverloop> Did a 'unity --replace' and menus are back. Sorry for the noise.
[20:30] <idioticME> 644
[20:30] <idioticME> EriC^^
[20:31] <Hoso001> I have tweaked the double click settings in the system settings thing.
[20:32] <Hoso001> Like its not a constant thing, is just about 1 out of every 4 clicks or so is a double click
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> Hoso001  that are two 'things', it's becoming vague
[20:33] <EriC^^> idioticME: great looks like it wasn't changed
[20:33] <Hoso001> "things" What exactly do you mean?
[20:33] <idioticME> EriC^^ does ubuntu fix this its own on boot?
[20:33] <idioticME> excatly
[20:33] <EriC^^> idioticME: let's try the first few dirs cause it works alphabetically
[20:33] <idioticME> let me try a reboot then?
[20:33] <EriC^^> hold on
[20:33] <idioticME> ok
[20:33] <idioticME> bin 755
[20:33] <idioticME> boot 755
[20:33] <Hoso001> oh! I moved the double click speed slider and i am on the tester on the system settings menu
[20:34] <idioticME> etc 755
[20:34] <EriC^^> idioticME: try stat -c %a /path/to/root/bin/ls
[20:34] <idioticME> 755
[20:34] <EriC^^> are you sure you're doing it in the actual install and not the live session?
[20:34] <EriC^^> should be /media/something/.../bin/ls
[20:34] <idioticME> live session / livecd
[20:34] <EriC^^> or /mnt/bin/ls if you mounted it under /mnt
[20:35] <idioticME> eys
[20:35] <EriC^^> you need to do that for the actual install
[20:35] <idioticME> it is
[20:35] <EriC^^> /media/.../bin/ls ?
[20:35] <idioticME> i am in the right path
[20:35] <idioticME> yes :)
[20:35] <EriC^^> ok awesome
[20:35] <idioticME> reboot?
[20:35] <EriC^^> hmm
[20:35] <EriC^^> i'd check the history
[20:36] <EriC^^> just to see what command actually ran, since you're already there
[20:36] <EriC^^> did you use sudo with the command?
[20:36] <idioticME> its encrypted, but let me do a reboot and be back
[20:36] <EriC^^> (ubuntu doesn't fix this by itself btw)
[20:37] <idioticME> ok?
[20:37] <EriC^^> ok, give it a shot
[20:37] <idioticME> let see
[20:39] <terminalrecluse> urgent issue that is so puzzling - so before a reboot I had my titan x working with nvidia0 nvidiactl and nvidia-uvm all working, passing the titan x to a docker container
[20:39] <terminalrecluse> but then on reboot
[20:39] <terminalrecluse> the nvidia-uvm is gone
[20:39] <terminalrecluse> starting the docker container with the same parameters doesn't work
[20:39] <terminalrecluse> i can't for the life of me how to fix it
[20:41] <idioticME> "usb 1-1.2: device descriptor read/64, error -110"
[20:42] <idioticME> it gets to the "[ OK ] Started vboxweb-service.service. " and then it stops
[20:43] <idioticME> alt+ctrl+f3 works tho
[20:44] <EriC^^> ok
[20:44] <EriC^^> how'd you run the command before?
[20:44] <bipul> Hello, I was trying to install pbuilder , and i am stuck at "I: Retrieving Packages "
[20:45] <idioticME> for a sec i shows some text and then gets back to "login: _"
[20:45] <idioticME> log in and out
[20:45] <bipul> I have follow this document https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto and found that it has been written only for saucy.
[20:46] <EriC^^> idioticME: try logging into a different account
[20:46] <bipul> I am using trusty.
[20:46] <wyre> hi guys! how can I enable hibernation feature?
[20:46] <fabiano> ciao
[20:46] <idioticME> root is disabled, can use the password
[20:47] <idioticME> login incorrect
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> wyre  sudo -e /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla
[20:47] <brainwash> wyre: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[20:47] <EriC^^> idioticME: boot the live session again
[20:48] <EriC^^> or try booting the kernel with init=/bin/bash
[20:48] <wyre> MonkeyDust, to ubuntu 16.04?
[20:48] <xiaohuo> cw=Z]PkMHU#O)POOfPOObQMG%
[20:49] <wyre> and then should works "pm-hibernate"?
[20:51] <xiaohuo> cw=Z]O7So??
[20:51] <|RIC|> hi
[20:51] <Hoso001_> So, I have fixed the mouse issue.
[20:52] <Hoso001_> Turns out it was just a bad mouse.
[20:52] <|RIC|> any one know about python pandas?
[20:52] <Hoso001_> I am crying a little, that mouse is over 10 years old. We went through a lot together.
[20:58] <xtr33> Hi guys, is there anyone online that knows how to get the Ps4 controller working over BT in Ubuntu 16.04?
[21:00] <grummy> uh could someone help with with installing ubuntu? it's not wanting to work atm :(
[21:00] <EriC^^> how so?
[21:00] <Jordan_U> grummy: Please give a detailed description of the problem you're having and if anyone thinks they can help they will.
[21:01] <grummy> I verified all the files and they are all ok but when I tell it to install it wont boot properly, it goes through the loading screen and then the screen just goes black with an occasional error window popping up in the corner and disappearing again
[21:02] <grummy> and sometimes the login screen flashes up but disappears again straight after
[21:02] <Jordan_U> grummy: What version of Ubuntu?
[21:03] <grummy> 16.04 desktop x64
[21:04] <grummy> tried making the usb with both rufus and unetbootin too but same problem
[21:04] <idioticME> [16:48] <EriC^^> or try booting the kernel with init=/bin/bash <- i don't really know how to do that, i assume that it has to be done from livecd, which i am in again now
[21:04] <ultraghost3000> hi all
[21:05] <ultraghost3000> i'm the best ubuntu user
[21:05] <ultraghost3000> because im use MATE desktop
[21:05] <ultraghost3000> unity suck
[21:05] <idioticME> ultraghost3000, there a no such thing
[21:05] <Jordan_U> ultraghost3000: This channel is for productive Ubuntu support discussion only. Please stop the offtopic postings.
[21:06] <EriC^^> idioticME: mount the root partition
[21:07] <ultraghost3000> im killed nvidia tearing with compton
[21:07] <idioticME> EriC^^: done
[21:07] <ultraghost3000> im so cute
[21:07] <Jordan_U> ultraghost3000: This is your last warning before I remove you from the channel.
[21:07] <idioticME> ultraghost3000 please leave
[21:08] <idioticME> we are trying to solve problems, not start them ..
[21:09] <ultraghost3000> ok
[21:09] <brym> evening all. ima longshot this one here, since the people in #android only seem to want to argue with each other instead of help;
[21:09] <minas114> Hi. My Wifi has stopped working since 16.04 (it's broadcom). I have seen other people having the same problem. Is there a solution to this?
[21:10] <EriC^^> idioticME: ok, how'd you run the command you ran before?
[21:10] <brym> my xperia z5 has a cracked screen, i have an otg cable, but can't access the settings menu to enable detection of usb devices.
[21:10] <Jordan_U> minas114: Which driver are you using? Please pastebin the output of "lspci -vnn -d 14e4:" .
[21:10] <brym> any solutions? i know it's a stretch asking here.
[21:10] <minas114> Jordan_U, Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
[21:11] <idioticME> the home/user is encrypted
[21:11] <idioticME> how do i unlock it?
[21:11] <Jordan_U> minas114: OK, that looks to be only supported with the proprietary WL driver. Do you have that installed via the "Additional Drivers" tool?
[21:12] <minas114> Jordan_U, Yes
[21:13] <minas114> Jordan_U, By the way, I was using the beta version of 16.04 and it working fine until about 5 days ago (some days before the official release).
[21:13] <minas114> SOme update broke it I belive...
[21:13] <Cedara> off to bed, night
[21:15] <EriC^> idioticME: got dc
[21:16] <EriC^> did you use sudo with the command you ran?
[21:16] <idioticME> yes
[21:17] <talpio> hi, guys!
[21:17] <EriC^> idioticME: ok, try less /mnt/var/log/auth.log
[21:17] <EriC^> it should be somewhere at the bottom
[21:18] <idioticME> can i grep it?
[21:19] <talpio> What do you prefer, fresh install or upgrade?
[21:19] <EriC^> press "G" it should scroll down
[21:19] <idioticME> yes
[21:19] <Somethjhgdkjfg> Heeehhhhhhh... where to start...
[21:20] <Somethjhgdkjfg> So... I got a hard drive wrack...
[21:20] <Cloudblow> Anyone tund solution for nVidia drivers bug on ubuntu 16.04?
[21:20] <Cloudblow> Find*
[21:20] <idioticME> EriC^ do you mind taking this in pm?
[21:20] <EriC^> idioticME: you could do grep -i "sudo.*command" /var/log/auth.log
[21:20] <tennis> hey! anyone have luck running X in 16.04 server on virtualbox? I'm trying my best to debug it, here's what i have so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16015323/
[21:20] <mynameisliviu> anyone with mouse problems on 16.04?
[21:20] <EriC^> idioticME: ok
[21:20] <Somethjhgdkjfg> I decided to set it up so that I can use all 3 of my hard drives... instead of just two. I must have done something wrong... because when I booted into my server... it booted into emergency mode...
[21:21] <mynameisliviu> anyone with mouse problems on 16.04?
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> so I have to try and save my stuff...
[21:21] <mynameisliviu> anyone with mouse problems on 16.04?
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> but I once again, fell victim to the "encrypt" thing...
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> so I followed the instructions...
[21:21] <mynameisliviu> anyone with mouse problems on 16.04?
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> root@file-ssh-server:/home/aarrgg# ecryptfs-mount-private
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[21:21] <Somethjhgdkjfg> Is there a reason I'm getting this error?
[21:22] <Somethjhgdkjfg> Something I can do to fix it?
[21:22] <talpio> What do you prefer, fresh install or upgrade?
[21:22] <Somethjhgdkjfg> And ffs, what am I supposed to do in this "emergency mode"?
[21:22] <Somethjhgdkjfg> It's never clear...
[21:23] <c0nfuseki> I am needing assistance with udev. I would like to know if listing a parent device's details (which is showing to be different for every port of a usb hub when i use "" udevadm info -a -n /dev/sdb "") is enough to make it a valid udev rule to identify a particular USB hub/port value...? can I run my udev rule without resetting my computer? (when the port numbers can possibly all be redefined on reboot)
[21:23] <akhil> Guys. Having trouble with suspend on 16.04
[21:23] <akhil> anyone else facing the saem trouble?
[21:24] <k1l_> better ask specific questions. to find another user with the exact same error on the exact same hardware/software might take a while
[21:24] <Cloudblow>  nomodeset if is it used before or after quiet or splash or acpi= it change the effect?
[21:24] <Dagda> I'm having a KB issue with 16.04. I install, enable LUKS cryptsetup, set PW, and then after being prompted to reboot, my kb isn't loading correctly. Basically, key modifiers are unavailable, so "shift" isn't available. This is obviously a concern since I don't want to use a key without any caps or special chars. Has anyone else encountered this issue?
[21:24] <Somethjhgdkjfg> How do I fix this:
[21:24] <Somethjhgdkjfg> root@file-ssh-server:/home/aarrgg# ecryptfs-mount-private
[21:24] <Somethjhgdkjfg> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[21:24] <Somethjhgdkjfg> so I can save my stuff and reinstall the server?
[21:24] <pelle_> hi! does anyone know where i can find a good guide on how to overclock my monitor?
[21:25] <gnuyen> I chose to have an encrypted home directory and it chose a strong passphrase for me, how can I change this without breaking everything?
[21:25] <k1l_> Cloudblow: put that anwhere where quiet and splash are written. if before or after that should not matter
[21:25] <xtr33> Hi guys, is there anyone online that knows how to get the Ps4 controller working over BT in Ubuntu 16.04?
[21:26] <pauljw> Somethjhgdkjfg, are you certain you're putting in the correct passphrase?  i get that error if i goof it up.
[21:26] <Somethjhgdkjfg> I don't even know how to enter my passphrase,.
[21:26] <Somethjhgdkjfg> I am told cryptsetup -y in the terminal... but then I get this....
[21:26] <reisio> xtr33: http://askubuntu.com/questions/546811/how-do-i-use-the-dualshock-4-with-ubuntu-14-10
[21:27] <Somethjhgdkjfg> cryptsetup: Argument <action> missing
[21:27] <Somethjhgdkjfg> pauljw ^^^^^^^
[21:27] <pauljw> don't know Somethjhgdkjfg
[21:27] <Cloudblow> k1l_: thanks, because i had read who use nomodeset first quiet after ro in cmdline and he had fixed nvidia black screen
[21:28] <Somethjhgdkjfg> I hate encryption... I guess I'm done with that feature.
[21:28] <Somethjhgdkjfg> idc if it leaves me less secure.
[21:29] <lee_G750jm> is this  dealing with the wireless or the GPU CPU: 1 PID: 2869 at /build/linux-lts-wily-H6pWeh/linux-lts-wily-4.2.0/net/wireless/sme.c:981
[21:32] <daniele_> Hi guys
[21:32] <daniele_> I want to contribute ubuntu
[21:32] <daniele_> where can I start?
[21:32] <reisio> do it
[21:32] <reisio> daniele_: https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/
[21:32] <reisio> daniele_: or just go to launchpad and fix bugs
[21:32] <bohm4> when trying to launch ubuntu 16.04 in virtualbox, it is halting with an "intel_rapl: no valid rapl domains found in package"
[21:32] <pauljw> SkepticalParrot, there must be a solution, i just don't know it.  someone may come up with an answer.  i thought about the password/phrase because that's the error i get in linux mint where i have encrypted the drive.  thought it might be the same.  sorry.
[21:33] <bohm4> (error message)
[21:34] <bohm4> iirc, this happens with 14.04 vm, too
[21:34] <c0nfuseki> I am needing assistance with udev. I would like to know if listing a parent device's details (which is showing to be different for every port of a usb hub when i use "" udevadm info -a -n /dev/sdb "") is enough to make it a valid udev rule to identify a particular USB hub/port value...? can I run my udev rule without resetting my computer? (when the port numbers can possibly all be redefined on reboot)
[21:35] <bohm4> but it does not happen with linux mint, which is based on 14.04. why?
[21:35] <daniele_> reisio: is there any dev related channel?
[21:35] <bohm4> yes, daniele_
[21:35] <bohm4> it is ubuntu_devel
[21:35] <daniele_> bohm4: thanks
[21:36] <brainwash> #ubuntu-devel
[21:36] <reisio> daniele_: /msg alis list *ubunt*dev*
[21:36] <bohm4> sorry for the typo
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> daniele_  #ubuntu-app-devel is one
[21:38] <poli> So is there some alternative to the old coda filesystem for roadwarriors to keep files synced with a base computer these days? Maybe Ceph will have something similar?
[21:42] <tony1> I have a problem if I reboot an ubuntu VM I get the error, kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[21:42] <tony1> if I shutdown the VM and restart it it will boot fine. the error only happens if I reboot the VM using ssh. any ideas?
[21:43] <geirha> how are you rebooting in each case?
[21:45] <tony1> if I reboot with ssh I get the error "reboot command. if I shutdown and restart with the VB gui it will restart fine
[21:45] <reisio> oh, that 'B' typo really threw me for a moment
[21:45] <reisio> tony1: what VM system?
[21:45] <reisio> say Hyper-V, I dare you
[21:46] <tony1> sorry virtualbox
[21:46] <geirha> exact command and exact error would help
[21:46] <reisio> ^
[21:47] <bohm4> say what again
[21:49] <c0nfuseki> I am needing assistance with udev. I would like to know if listing a parent device's details (which is showing to be different for every port of a usb hub when i use "" udevadm info -a -n /dev/sdb "") is enough to make it a valid udev rule to identify a particular USB hub/port value...? can I run my udev rule without resetting my computer? (when the port numbers can possibly all be redefined on reboot)
[21:49] <chilipalmer> I have a fesh install of Ubuntu 16.04LTS. Everything seems to be working perfectly. I do see one small problem. When I open the new software store, I get the search panel, with three buttons above it: All, Installed, and Updates. The rest of the window is blank. Other than that, the application seems to work properly. Did I miss something or have I run into a bug of some sort?
[21:50] <tony1> the exact error is kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) if I use reboot or shutdown -r now from ssh
[21:52] <tony1> but if I shut down and restart the virtualbox vm from the gui or VBoxManage it will start fine
[21:52] <ricardo> I have this message on my syslog "[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915_bpo]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A (start=73630 end=73631) time 648 us, min 763, max 767, scanline start 738, end 769", how can i solve this issue?
[21:54] <xtr33> reisio:  thanks I tried installing ds4drv but in terminal I get:  The directory '/home/xtr33/.cache/pip/http' or its parent is owner by the current user and the cache is disabled... then says something about an -H flag
[21:56] <reisio> xtr33: with bluetooth, I'm not sure you need any particular driver
[21:57] <xtr33> reisio, I have connected the controller, the headset of the controller wont connect which I'm not worried about but the controller just plain wont work
[21:57] <xtr33> works fine with cable tho
[21:59] <reisio> xtr33: which version of Ubuntu?
[21:59] <xtr33> 16.04
[21:59] <xtr33> gnome
[22:00] <reisio> xtr33: what's your uname -a output?
[22:00] <Vonologic> Can someone help me disable screenlock/screensaver in 16.04
[22:00] <reisio> Vonologic: system prefs should have that option
[22:01] <xtr33> reisio:  username is xtr33, -a output?
[22:01] <Multbrelch> Menu in top panel is missing in 16.04 (64Bit). I can get it back by executing 'unity' in the terminal. How can I make it permanent upon boot?
[22:02] <Pici> xtr33: the command is literally 'uname -a'
[22:03] <xtr33> thanks pici  it is Linux xtr33-Macbook 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:04] <reisio> xtr33: okay, update to linux-4.5
[22:04] <reisio> should fix it
[22:04] <xtr33> sounds good
[22:05] <xtr33> quick instruction on how to do that please?
[22:05] <xtr33> all g, think I found it online
[22:06] <talgat> Hi guys
[22:06] <reisio> xtr33: looks like there are ppas: http://linuxdaddy.com/blog/install-kernel-4-5-on-ubuntu/
[22:06] <reisio> that'd be simplest
[22:06] <reisio> talgat: hi
[22:06] <Guest96810> Have you ever seen ubuntu on win 10? :) https://www.livecoding.tv/longlivechief/videos/YvNMG-ubuntu-on-windows-10-and-nodejs-stuff-117
[22:06] <xtr33> thanks reisio
[22:06] <talgat> I am new to ubuntu, I installed it on my laptop today
[22:07] <reisio> talgat: cool
[22:07] <nickismynick> hi, i would modify files, but i'm always in read-only mode even if i chmod 755 the directory, what should i do ?
[22:07] <reisio> Guest96810: #ubuntu-on-windows
[22:07] <talgat> here ubuntu software works so slowly, it doesn't installs google chrome. why?
[22:07] <reisio> talgat: you asked it to install chrome?
[22:07] <talgat> yeap
[22:07] <reisio> nickismynick: what's the error you get?
[22:08] <owen1_> how do people managing thier .dotfiles? i use some symlinks i wrote myself but i am not an expert and they don't work perfectly
[22:08] <reisio> talgat: and what'd it do?
[22:08] <user197> talgat use chromium
[22:08] <talgat> ubuntu software works so slow
[22:08] <Guest96810> wat :D
[22:09] <reisio> Guest96810: hilarious
[22:10] <nickismynick> i dont get any error, i tried to modidy with geddit but i cant save
[22:11] <reisio> nickismynick: you should use... gksu I think is today's preferred way, or pkexec
[22:11] <reisio> or better yet use a terminal, and a terminal level text editor
[22:11] <Sorikin> vmware workstation 12, ubuntu 16.04, I have installed open-vm-tools and I have the VM setup to use enhanced keyboard, however open-vm-tools throws the error: "intel_rapl: no valid rapl domains found in package 0" and I still cannot use backspace or shift. Has anyone seen this and resolved?
[22:12] <nickismynick> i know gksudo, i would know an other way to do
[22:12] <c0nfuseki> I am needing assistance with udev. I would like to know if listing a parent device's details (which is showing to be different for every port of a usb hub when i use "" udevadm info -a -n /dev/sdb "") is enough to make it a valid udev rule to identify a particular USB hub/port value...? can I run my udev rule without resetting my computer? (when the port numbers can possibly all be redefined on reboot)
[22:12] <user197> reisio: I am unable to play any video file in my system,only SMplays shows " Mplayer finished unexpectedly. Exit Code 1.  tell me what info you need to solve this issue
[22:13] <cesasr> hola
[22:14] <reisio> cesasr: shalom
[22:18] <idiocitcME> hi can i recover ubuntu encrypted home dir without passphrase but with the password that i use to login? no right?
[22:19] <idiocitcME> EriC^^ hi
[22:19] <reisio> idiocitcME: weren't they one in the same?
[22:19] <idiocitcME> one in the same?
[22:21] <AB49K> I installed 16.04 yesterday and installed cinnamon  for my DE. When I put my computer to sleep, I get 2 password prompts to unlock my machine - and the cinnamon toolbar is gone, I can alt+F2 and type r to try and restart, but I *think* it immediately crashes again. Anyone had this before or got an insight?
[22:22] <idiocitcME> is the encryption passphase the same as the password on the encrypted home dir?
[22:23] <AB49K> I'm not using encryption, from what I can see, there seems to be a unity unlock screen, and then a cinnamon unlock menu
[22:24] <idiocitcME> i have lost my files system an i want to make a backup of the home folder
[22:25] <reisio> idiocitcME: I believe it's usually configured to be one in the same, yes
[22:25] <reisio> https://www.google.com/search?q=ecryptfs+ubuntu+recovery
[22:25] <idiocitcME> so i can use my login password then? (i must be sure not to misunderstand this)
[22:26] <Multbrelch> Menu in top panel is missing in 16.04 (64Bit). I can get it back by executing 'unity' in the terminal. How can I make it permanent upon boot?
[22:26] <idiocitcME> thanks reisio :
[22:26] <idiocitcME> )
[22:27] <reisio> idiocitcME: I doubt anything will happen if you try the wrong password
[22:27] <pwertz> whats a good repository to add via terminal?
[22:28] <reisio> magic-unlimited-power
[22:28] <Bashing-om> !ppa | pwertz
[22:29] <pwertz> hey thanks Ubottu!
[22:29] <pwertz> can add those repositories via terminal commands?
[22:29] <reisio> yup
[22:30] <user197> I am unable to play video files in my system, mp3 works fine. I think its issue with mplayer... can anyone help ??
[22:31] <xtr33> reisio, thank you for the help the controller now works... however now when I quit the program fs uae the computer just black screens with a pointer
[22:32] <pwertz> what can I do after I add a repository?
[22:32] <pwertz> I am new to the Kubuntu/Linux world
[22:32] <Multbrelch> pwertz, you can install the soft which the ppa is offering
[22:33] <pwertz> multbrelch, what is the "soft"?
[22:33] <Multbrelch> soft = software
[22:34] <EriC^> idiocitcME: decrypt the home dir first then copy the decrypted files to backup
[22:34] <pwertz> ok. but i do not know what software is available to isntall
[22:34] <pwertz> I guess my problem is, I don't know I want to install
[22:34] <EriC^> pwertz: browse the software center
[22:34] <bohm4> Sorikin: I am getting the same error when attempting to boot into 16.04.
[22:35] <pwertz> how do you get to the software center in Kubuntu?
[22:35] <Multbrelch> pwertz, normally you search for a specific soft ... then you find something that is not in the Ubuntu repositories. So then, you search the specific soft in a ppa, which someone is offering ...
[22:35] <user197> pwertz http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/
[22:35] <bohm4> Sorikin: and I using virtualbox, so that suggests that it isn't vmware workstation or virtualbox that is the problem
[22:36] <subz3r0> hey
[22:36] <bohm4> hi subz3ro
[22:36] <subz3r0> anyone redirects his iptables logs to a seperate file?
[22:36] <subz3r0> it works with my debian boxes but not with ubuntu. i have no clue whats wrong here :(
[22:37] <subz3r0> iptables adds the prefix "IPTables-DROPPED: " to the logs
[22:37] <subz3r0> so i created a file under /etc/rsyslog.d/iptables.conf with the following content
[22:38] <subz3r0> :msg,contains,"IPTables-DROPPED: " /var/log/iptables.log
[22:38] <subz3r0> but it does log exactly nothing to that file
[22:38] <Sorikin> And here I was trying to test opennms. maybe centos?
[22:38] <pwertz> hey thanks user197 and multbrelch
[22:39] <pwertz> this is exactly why I came to a forum like this!
[22:39] <Sebastien> #ubuntu is not a forum
[22:39] <wyre> hi guys! ubuntu 16.04 does not detect my ati proprietary driver after update from 15.10
[22:39] <Sebastien> its a chatroom
[22:39] <wyre> anyone has an idea?
[22:39] <Multbrelch> pwertz, if you want to have always the newest 'Libreoffice', you use a ppa from somebody who is daily building Libreoffice from its actual developer status ...
[22:39] <Gallomimia> well, i got my desktop to boot, with 14.04 installed. after like 3 weeks. but now it freezes at the login screen. any tips?
[22:39] <subz3r0> ahhh
[22:39] <subz3r0> i got it
[22:40] <subz3r0> i created the file with root permissions. should be okay. but rsyslgo wanted to create its own file
[22:40] <subz3r0> well
[22:40] <subz3r0> :)
[22:40] <Multbrelch> pwertz, same works for, e.g., blender, gwyddion, etc ... . One always finds a ppa ... almost
[22:40] <reisio> xtr: might want to change your graphics driver, too, then; hard to say :)
[22:40] <pwertz> would I just do a sudo apt-get update/upgrade to stay up to date on that?
[22:40] <Bashing-om> wyre: See the releae notes .. there is no FGLRX driver in 16.04 .
[22:41] <pwertz> this binarytides/better-kubuntu site is sexy
[22:41] <xtr33> reisio:  thanks, I will first try to uninstall and reinstall fs-uae
[22:41] <Multbrelch> pwertz, yes, but you need to 'include' a ppa ...
[22:41] <Bashing-om> release*
[22:41] <reisio> oh fs-uae, thought that was just a series of typoes :p
[22:41] <pwertz> whats the command line again when installing a PPA?
[22:41] <wyre> Bashing-om, but yet?
[22:41] <wyre> Bashing-om, there will be anyday?
[22:42] <piero> Hi! A very important file was deleted in my encrypted home directory. After umounting ecryptfs I'm trying to recovery encrypted files in the ext4 home partition, but "forecast", the program im using, will never find individual files because the header of each file is encrypted there. Is there a way to just find individual files in ext4 fs, or better, can i find deleted files that meets 1.5Mb, for example?
[22:42] <Multbrelch> pwertz, look here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them
[22:42] <Bashing-om> wyre: No, ATI is devoteing all efforts to support open source .
[22:42] <pwertz> oh nice
[22:42] <Multbrelch> pwertz, you receive lots of info via google ...
[22:42] <pwertz> I appreciate it Multbrelch
[22:43] <Multbrelch> with respect to ubuntu
[22:43] <pwertz> yeah I've been using VirtualBox and watching videos on Youtube and searching Google
[22:43] <wyre> Bashing-om, so... xorg driver should be fine driver?
[22:43] <Multbrelch> no problem - when I started with Linux I was like you ... so I have to pay back now ... :-)
[22:43] <Multbrelch> pwertz, ^
[22:44] <Bashing-om> wyre: Yeah ,,, If still problems .. one can only hope they work it out in the future . There is no other option .
[22:44] <Multbrelch> pwertz, ppa is lawyas a mean to get/update soft, which is not handled by ubuntu directly ....
[22:44] <pwertz> multbrelch, well I hope I can do the same one day!
[22:45] <pwertz> yeah I am beginning to grasp the repository and PPA life
[22:45] <wyre> Bashing-om, perfect :P
[22:46] <Multbrelch> pwertz, be patient but try out lots of things ... you will see, in 5 years, you have no desire for MSWindows, Apple, Android, etc anymore
[22:46] <Bashing-om> wyre: :) carry on .
[22:46] <pwertz> yeah I am already loving Linux life
[22:46] <pwertz> and the open-source world
[22:46] <pwertz> does Kubuntu have a software center?
[22:46] <Multbrelch> pwertz, yes, it rocks!
[22:47] <Multbrelch> pwertz, Kubuntu? yes, sure ... it's a bit different but quite similar
[22:47] <Multbrelch> google
[22:47] <Multbrelch> :)
[22:48] <pwertz> I could only find articles related to Ubuntu's software center
[22:49] <Gallomimia> alright. i can ssh into my box that seems to have its boot screen frozen
[22:49] <Gallomimia> what should i do? restart the boot screen? i need to configure the DNS client (it has bind9 installed) before i can run any updates
[22:49] <Multbrelch> pwertz, my last info ... you get all from the Internet, in particular from here and other channels ... cheers
[22:50] <Gallomimia> ubuntu 14.04 server
[22:50] <Multbrelch> and bye
[22:50] <pwertz> thanks homie
[22:51] <bohm4> Sorikin: problem replicates with ubuntu 14.04, but not linux mint 17 (downstream from ubuntu 14.04), so this seems to be an ubuntu-specific issue that the mint team fixed somehow
[22:53] <Sorikin> very very odd
[22:53] <citizen_> where is a few places to get good articles on linux?
[22:54] <peder> if anyone can tell me how to get lvm+crypto working with manual partitioning (currently the 16.04 installer) i would be real happy
[22:54] <citizen_> it was a option for me peder
[22:54] <clorisu> anyone know why i cant cam on skype and in my web browser simultaneously?
[22:54] <peder> citizen_: with manual partitioning?
[22:54] <idiocitcME> how happy can i get! i just found an 4 day old backup of my system EriC^
[22:54] <idiocitcME> EriC^^
[22:55] <peder> i can create the crypto container, but not any lvm in it
[22:55] <EriC^> idiocitcME: nice
[22:55] <idiocitcME> yeah its awesome! thank you so much for the help m8
[22:55] <idiocitcME> cheers! :D
[22:56] <EriC^> no problem :D
[22:57] <fuimabird> How do I connect to wifi in ubuntu server if I can't use nmcli?
[22:57] <demetris> hi
[22:57] <EriC^> fuimabird: probably some wpa_supplicant magic
[22:57] <fuimabird> Specifics?
[22:57] <citizen_> anyone used the snaps yet?
[22:57] <EriC^> no idea
[22:57] <fuimabird> -_-
[22:57] <demetris> build fails with configure: error: Building GCC requires GMP 4.2+, MPFR 2.4.0+ and MPC 0.8.0+
[22:58] <demetris> gmp error went away with libgmp3-dev
[22:58] <demetris> still need MPFR 2.4.0+ and MPC 0.8.0+
[22:58] <demetris> any help?
[23:00] <liftedkilt_> I'm really struggling with networking on 16.04 desktop
[23:00] <liftedkilt_> new install on baremetal
[23:01] <liftedkilt_> ubuntu recognizes my nics, and lspci -nnk shows that it has selected and loaded kernel modules for them
[23:01] <liftedkilt_> manually configured an ip address and trying to ping anything on my network fails 95% of the time - it will randomly work for a couple pings in a row here and there
[23:02] <liftedkilt_> tcpdump shows me the traffic on the network, so I don't think it's a hardware problem
[23:03] <liftedkilt_> arp -n shows the mac for my default gateway after pinging it, so it seems I have some level of l2 connectivity
[23:03] <liftedkilt_> anyone got any ideas?
[23:03] <liftedkilt_> hardware was working as of this morning when it was running windows
[23:04] <liftedkilt_> I wiped and reinstalled a second time and that didn't fix it
[23:04] <Gallomimia> i'm running ubuntu 14.04. how do i cause the login screen to restart from command line?
[23:04] <FeelTheVibration> liftedkilt.  driver issue you think?
[23:04] <Gallomimia> my gui seems to be frozen. no keyboard or mouse response. no change on display, monitor went to sleep. i can ssh in
[23:05] <Lorne_> Update of Q asked earlier... I'm trying to share a folder on my internal network... Was able to get 1st Computer (14.04) to share one working perfectly...but 2nd C (16.04) I get errors when I try to connect to it.  Looks like all permissions are turned on.
[23:05] <FeelTheVibration> you can use the "reboot" command but i believe it would have to be sudo with your password
[23:05] <Jalapano> I've got a noob question. I'm running gui-less so to speak, pure cli, but it's not using my entire screen, as though the resolution is off. How can I fix this?
[23:05] <Gallomimia> yeah rebooting won't help. it freezes at the login screen every time
[23:06] <liftedkilt_> FeelTheVibration: my onboard nic is using the realtek r8169 module, so I grabbed dkms-r8168 offline and installed it
[23:06] <liftedkilt_> didn't seem to help
[23:06] <liftedkilt_> my pci nics are intel server nics, running the e1000 module - should be pretty standard
[23:06] <FeelTheVibration> ive had times where i had to reinstall the proprietary shit several times
[23:06] <FeelTheVibration> before it started working
[23:07] <liftedkilt_> is there a good way at grabbing everything I need driver wise offline and sneaker-netting it?
[23:07] <FeelTheVibration> its more difficult than it should be
[23:07] <Lorne_> Feel... was that for me?
[23:07] <liftedkilt_> so I've experienced
[23:08] <FeelTheVibration> negative lorne
[23:08] <SkepticalParrot> Ethernet and Wifi is up now...
[23:08] <Lorne_> gotchya
[23:08] <SkepticalParrot> so how do I connect to the internet?
[23:08] <SkepticalParrot> In ubuntu server?
[23:08] <wafflej0ck> Anyone know how I can adjust the grouped apps in the application menu in Gnome 3.18
[23:09] <SkepticalParrot> I've got a party in 1 hour, I'd really like to get this issue resolved before then... so help is appreciated.
[23:09] <liftedkilt_> SkepticalParrot: can you ping your default gateway>
[23:10] <FeelTheVibration> i've been troubleshooting 50 hours this week at work. I need to leave this channel
[23:11] <Gallomimia> lol.
[23:11] <Gallomimia> i wonder if it's the drivers causing problem. video card
[23:11] <Gallomimia> well, can anyone help me with my loginscreen freeze?
[23:12] <SkepticalParrot> liftedkilt_ network unreachable.
[23:13] <SkepticalParrot> Maybe the developers of Ubuntu should ***really*** consider asking if the user wants to install nmcli, since some people who install server maybe want a base installation...
[23:13] <SkepticalParrot> That way this makes the job a lOT easier.
[23:16] <citizen_> should i install all the new snaps?
[23:17] <dbz2k> when is a bug confirmed does that mean that the ubuntu team looked at the bug?
[23:17] <dbz2k> when a
[23:20] <jayjo> Hey - I have an apple mouse and I can't get the speed down on the mouse speed... its at lowest level but its still to fast. can I adjust this further somehow?
[23:20] <Gallomimia> i've heard you can. but i forget how
[23:20] <Gallomimia> its in a config file somewhere
[23:21] <jayjo> How would i even go about it?
[23:21] <jayjo> Oh I change a file?
[23:21] <jayjo> just for my user?
[23:26] <brokenWhyFi> howdy yall ubuntu16.04lts unity wifi icon in menubar keeps changing to up/down arrows
[23:28] <Rhorse> brokenWhyFi: just the icon is broke?
[23:28] <brokenWhyFi> also sudo service network-manager restart works but it eventually goes back again
[23:28] <newbsie> I'm on Ubuntu Server 14.04.04 LTS. is it a good idea to store the gunicorn socket file in /tmp? Apparently this /tmp is cleaned daily, but I assume it won't be if the file is in use?
[23:29] <brokenWhyFi> Rhorse: its not the wifi symbol it switches to arrows but yes just the symbol is messed up not my actual connection
[23:31] <Lorne_> Update of Q asked earlier... I'm trying to share a folder on my internal network... Was able to get 1st Computer (14.04) to share one working perfectly...but 2nd C (16.04) I get errors when I try to connect to it.  Looks like all permissions are turned on.
[23:31] <linuxgecko> i need to install a 32-bit version of java on my 64-bit 15.10 desktop. i have oracle-java8-installer, but i need it's 32-bit counterpart.  any help?
[23:31] <Rhorse> How is 16.04 otherwise? Everything else working, brokenWhyFi?
[23:31] <brokenWhyFi> Rhorse: i can still click it and interact. the symbol is just messed and i am unsure where to start looking for a solution. all articles online apply only to connection issues
[23:32] <liftedkilt_> brokenWhyFi: do you also have a wired connection by chance?
[23:32] <Lorne_> ...I've noticed that the Icon for the working share is a Folder on a Folder...but the one not working well only has he arrows on a folder...does that help?   I'm genuinely do not know. :)
[23:37] <josspyker> thanks
[23:37] <brokenWhyFi> liftedkilt_: nope thats the icon for it though _____ interface 802.11 Wifi (wlp2s0)
[23:38] <akik> newbsie: you've noticed that /tmp is cleaned regularly. i'll check if /var/tmp survives a restart
[23:38] <linuxgecko> what is the oracle-java8-installer version in 16.04?
[23:38] <newbsie> akik: some research indicates that /var/tmp is clean less, but it might not appear in the beginning
[23:39] <newbsie> akik: also, /var/tmp is intended for larger files, but will perform slower as it sometimes are on hard drive....
[23:40] <akik> newbsie: it survived the reboot. you can store any size files there
[23:40] <newbsie> akik: some more research indicate /tmp is actually cleaned on reboot, not daily as suggested elsewhere.
[23:41] <brokenWhyFi> how does unity menubar know icon to display for running program?
[23:41] <akik> newbsie: a hard drive is fast. what do you mean?
[23:41] <newbsie> akik: is there any reason to keep a gunicorn sock file on reboot? it seems ramdisk should be a lot faster and may be more important for perofrmance
[23:41] <linuxgecko> is it normal to get this (seemingly low) level of help here? or am i not askign the right questions?
[23:41] <newbsie> akik: /tmp apparently is often stored in ramdisk, whereas /var/tmp is often stored on hard drive...
[23:41] <akik> newbsie: i don't know what gunicorn is. but if it's just a sock file it's minimal usually
[23:42] <newbsie> akik: gunicorn is a python based wsgi server and I use the socket to communicate with nginx which is a proxy
[23:43] <brokenWhyFi> linuxgecko: have you checked the website to see if its available?
[23:43] <linuxgecko> brokenWhyFi:  16.04?
[23:44] <akik> newbsie: http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/deploy.html tells you to put it into /run/gunicorn
[23:44] <brokenWhyFi> linuxgecko: thats my ubuntu version so hopefully someone can help
[23:45] <mekhami> what is the correct way to install nodejs and the node command line tool in ubuntu 15.10
[23:45] <mekhami> i've messed this up too many times and i want to get it right
[23:45] <BakaProxy> yall niggers need Jesus
[23:46] <alumno_> hola
[23:47] <brokenWhyFi> linuxgecko: i believe they offer 32 and 64 this link displays all https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[23:47] <linuxgecko> brokenWhyFi: do you have oracle java?
[23:47] <newbsie> akik: in the same page, nginx is is listed as using /tmp/gunicorn.sock and there is no /run/gunicorn/ dir on my ubuntu system.
[23:48] <ForgottenPlayer> :P
[23:48] <juanca> hola
[23:48] <brokenWhyFi> linuxgecko: no i have open jdk8 installed by default not oracle
[23:48] <juanca> :v
[23:48] <ForgottenPlayer> Do you think is a good idea to use 16.04 for a gaming/web server right away?
[23:49] <juanca> hay humanos aca o todoss son bots
[23:50] <brokenWhyFi> ForgottenPlayer: only one way to find out haha
[23:50] <juanca> _
[23:50] <citizen_> !ops
[23:50] <Xark> ForgottenPlayer: What could possibly go wrong? :)
[23:51] <linuxgecko> brokenWhyFi:  i cna't find 8u77 in 32-bit..   only 8u91 or 8u92,   AFAIK, i need the one that matches my packaged one, which is 8u77
[23:51] <ForgottenPlayer> Programs not being compatible? :C
[23:51] <ForgottenPlayer> Just wondering if I should expect trouble with common programs.
[23:52] <newbsie> akik: anyhow, I appreciate your help! :D, I will head over to #gunicorn or #python and check with them over there.
[23:53] <brokenWhyFi> ForgottenPlayer: its a possibility its only been out for 2 days
[23:54] <ForgottenPlayer> So, should I use it for a production server?
[23:55] <squinty> !es | juanca
[23:55] <ForgottenPlayer> squinty, nice way to refer people to the spanish channel
[23:55] <brokenWhyFi> linuxgecko: oh i thought they were stand alone.. did you try it to see if it works anyway?
[23:57] <citizen_> any kubuntu users?
[23:57] <Bashing-om> ForgottenPlayer: The big boys who do servers in the real world wait for the .1 release .. all the hoopala to settle out .


[15:54] <hooke> where to check the UTC time for my timezone
[23:30] <Sarajevo> I wanna meet some hot ubuntu chicks
[23:36] <czajkowski> Sarajevo: not appropiate
[23:52] <UndiFineD> czajkowski, getting used to the time displacement ?
[23:58] <czajkowski> yup
[23:58] <czajkowski> grand
[23:58] <czajkowski> thanks


[04:30] <hatch> huwshimi hey
[04:33] <huwshimi> hatch: Hey
[04:33] <hatch> thanks for the comment
[04:35] <hatch> unfortunately that means I have to re-write a bunch of stuff...lol
[04:35] <hatch> but it's a lot nicer approach
[04:35] <huwshimi> hatch: No problems. We seem to be heading in the direction of using these state classes for all our "widgets" that have multiple states. I figure it'd be good to stay consistent.
[04:35] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, I know it's a bit of a pain
[04:36] <hatch> so, the idea then is that any time there is a state change in the UI we wlll add a new class and appropriate nested stuff
[04:37] <hatch> that was a question
[04:37] <hatch> :)
[04:38] <huwshimi> hatch: Well, swap out the state class, but yeah, I think this approach would work
[04:39] <hatch> ok cool
[04:40] <huwshimi> hatch: I'm pretty sure it was your idea :)
[04:40] <hatch> lol this last little while has been nuts
[04:40] <hatch> yay me?
[04:40] <hatch> nah, yay you!
[04:41] <hatch> so my comment https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/424 is because objects keys aren't in any order
[04:41] <hatch> so just because you add two things in a row in an object doesn't mean they will be in that order
[04:42] <hatch> it's likely that they will be in order but there is no guarantee
[04:42] <hatch> only arrays are guaranteed to be in order
[04:42] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, but if we build this list in the dom based on the list of keys and then grab the first key to select the first item it seems to maintain the order
[04:43] <hatch> it does, but it's not guaranteed
[04:44] <hatch> you can make two loops through an object's keys and get them in two different orders
[04:44] <hatch> if we only have it in that format then it's the way it's got to be
[04:45] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, I get that, I guess the other way to do it would be to grab the id off the first token in the dom
[04:45] <hatch> well...what do you think?
[04:46] <hatch> is there any real issue in selecting one that's not the first?
[04:46] <huwshimi> hatch: Only that it would be weird to have a machine that is not at the top of the list selected by default
[04:47] <hatch> well I'll leave it up to you :)
[04:47] <huwshimi> hatch: I can grab it from the dom, that would always do the right thing.
[04:48] <hatch> ok cool
[04:56] <huwshimi> hatch: I called out the state classes when I landed my branch, but I'll try make sure it's clearer next time so the person picking up the work can see them.
[04:57] <hatch> cool
[05:10] <hatch> huwshimi ok I'm taking off, have a good night
[05:11] <huwshimi> hatch: Night!
[08:33] <rogpeppe> frankban: up for continuing?
[08:34] <frankban> rogpeppe: morning, sure!
[08:34] <rogpeppe> frankban: i'm in the standup
[10:20] <rogpeppe> frankban: back
[11:11] <rick_h__> morning party people
[11:14] <rick_h__> frankban: if you get a sec can I get the low down on the reproduction steps for the bug in quickstart you guys fixed against 1.20? We're working on trying to figure out some sort of CI
[11:15] <rick_h__> frankban: and curious why we didn't hit that bug in normal use of quickstart against dev releases
[11:15] <frankban> rick_h__: welcome back
[11:15] <frankban> rick_h__: `chat? I am in the daily hangout
[11:15] <rick_h__> frankban: help, tie me down before I run away!
[11:15] <rick_h__> frankban: sure thing
[11:24]  * frankban lunches
[11:31] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: frankban email forwarded to peeps from carla about bundle details per the call last week with bac and I and UX.
[11:32] <rogpeppe> rick_h__: thanks
[11:32] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: frankban just as an fyi on some data UX needs for bundles eventually in case any of it fits current WIP.
[12:04] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: bac frankban make sure to check out https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/250 and provide any feedback we have on the style guide.
[12:05] <rick_h__> if approved and landed it's something we should be aware of and pick up I think.
[12:08] <urulama> rick_h__: where should i put the card for bug 1339005 ... maintenance/review?
[12:08] <rick_h__> urulama: looking
[12:08] <rick_h__> urulama: ok, so just file it and I'll traige and add a card.
[12:09] <rick_h__> urulama: I'll add it to the on deck backlog for maintenacne
[12:09] <rick_h__> maintence
[12:09] <rick_h__> bah
[12:09] <rick_h__> urulama: we only use high and low importances. If it's high, we should try to fix it, if it's low, we ack it but don't promise to get to it any time soon (really ever)
[12:11] <rick_h__> urulama: when you get time let's catch up
[12:11] <rick_h__> jrwren: same ^
[12:11] <bac> morning
[12:12] <rick_h__> morning bac, made it to NC safely?
[12:13] <urulama> rick_h__: i'm gonna pick up my kids in 45min, change location. is 10AM ok for you?
[12:14] <rick_h__> urulama: party
[12:14] <rick_h__> urulama: I mean yes :)
[12:21] <bac> rick_h__: eventually.  our original flight went through with no problems on friday but i'm still glad we postponed.  the thought of getting stuck in ATL was unpleasant.
[12:21] <rick_h__> bac: hah, not a fan of our great south? :P
[12:23] <bac> rick_h__: not a fan of sleeping in any airport
[12:23] <rick_h__> bac: good call
[12:27] <frankban> rogpeppe: I am back, please ping me when you are ready
[12:27] <rogpeppe> frankban: will do. currently perusing rick_h__'s comments
[12:29] <frankban> rick_h__: thanks for the link/email
[12:30] <frankban> rick_h__: machine/unit counts can be easily calculated by clients IMHO, agree with you re: owner details, the current spec allows for easily adding customized API later
[12:33] <rogpeppe> frankban: i'm in the hangout, BTW
[12:39] <rick_h__> frankban: yea, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. I have this fear that those counts will be filter/selection criteria for searches
[12:39] <rick_h__> frankban: but they're not currently so you're right, for display purposes they can be client side calc'd
[12:45] <bac> rick_h__: wanted you to be aware of bug 1316174 -- it affects users on precise trying to bootstrap local envs.  it's a juju-core issue but affects quickstart
[12:45] <_mup_> Bug #1316174: 'precise-updates/cloud-tools' is invalid for APT::Default-Release <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316174>
[12:47] <rick_h__> bac: looking
[12:47] <hazmat> did we loose the ability to hide subordinate relation lines?
[12:48] <hazmat> looks like we draw in gray with the little box to the side of the sub service, we used to be able to click the box and hide the sub rel lines, but it hasn't seem to worked in a while.
[12:48] <rick_h__> hazmat: yes, we're supposed to be getting to controlling it with the deployed service inspector
[12:48] <rick_h__> hazmat: is the box still there? /me goes to try it out, been a while.
[12:48] <hazmat> rick_h__, yes its still there
[12:49] <rick_h__> hazmat: what UI box is there to hide then?
[12:49] <rick_h__> them?
[12:50] <rick_h__> bac: :/ ok. Will make sure it's brought up.
[12:51] <rick_h__> frankban: rogpeppe is there a card on the board for the current WIP?
[12:51] <frankban> rick_h__: no, I'll create one, thanks
[12:51] <rick_h__> frankban: ty much
[12:53] <hazmat> rick_h__, off subordinate services there is a ... line to a subordinate count box, that box is supposed to toggle display of that's sub service's relation lines
[12:54] <rick_h__> hazmat: ah ok. checking existing bugs now.
[12:55] <jrwren> rick_h__: you around in 10m?
[12:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: on a call but can ping when I get off
[12:55] <jrwren> perfect
[12:56] <hazmat> rick_h__, don't think there is one.. its been broken for a long time (at least 6months).
[12:56] <rick_h__> hazmat: right, I know we've talked a lot about showing/hiding lines including subordinates and we've got work this cycle to allow it with all services
[12:57] <rick_h__> hazmat: I'll file a bug and see if there's a quick fix, some code that's not getting run or if it's actually been removed
[12:58] <hazmat> rick_h__, ok
[12:58] <rick_h__> hazmat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1339029
[12:58] <_mup_> Bug #1339029: show/hide a subordinate relation line not functioning <juju-gui:Triaged by makyo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339029>
[12:58] <rick_h__> hazmat: will ask mayko to take a peek at it and see if it's something we can hook back up easily
[12:59] <hazmat> rick_h__, even if there's a long term thought on rel display, subordinates are a special case given their cross cutting concerns in an env, ie. is has 6-8 subordinate rels to every service.
[12:59] <hazmat> rick_h__, cool, thanks
[12:59] <rick_h__> hazmat: the work to show/hide any rel line is scheduled late into the cycle so won't be updated soon.
[12:59] <rick_h__> hazmat: right, the idea is that you can show/hide the blocks and lines for any service in an environment
[13:01] <rick_h__> luca: add a call to the meeting?
[13:01] <luca> rick_h__: forgot, doing it now
[13:01] <luca> rick_h__: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/jaas-catch-up?authuser=1
[13:01] <rick_h__> luca: ty much
[13:02] <urulama> jrwren: regarding the sprint in London - heard you're really close to rick_h__ (what's a 100km in usa ;)) , so, if calls would not suffice, you can probably just meet and get over details, so, don't worry about the sprint
[13:03]  * urulama needs to pick up the kids now
[13:46] <rick_h__> jrwren: ping
[13:46] <jrwren> pong
[13:46] <rick_h__> jrwren: meet in the standup hangout?
[13:46] <jrwren> yes
[13:47] <rick_h__> whoops, others are there
[13:47] <jrwren> new room?
[13:47] <rick_h__> yep, getting invite together
[13:47] <rick_h__> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g6xwjb53dpltyqiu66zdkmpnvma?authuser=1&hl=en
[13:48] <rick_h__> change the authuser part of the url to your own google accounts
[13:51] <jcsackett> hey, hatch__, i've pushed up all the work from yesterday we discussed. can you take a look? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/422
[13:51] <hatch__> you bet
[13:51] <hatch__> odd I can't change my name to hatch
[13:55] <hatch__> jcsackett you didn't address my comment in viewlet-manager.js
[13:55] <jcsackett> hatch__: ...actually i did. i don't know why that didn't get pushed up.
[13:56] <hatch__> heh, welllllll push'r'up
[13:56] <jcsackett> hatch__: huh. it pushed up the change to service-inspector but not viewlet...weird.
[13:56] <rick_h__> hatch__: how goes, when you get a sec I'd like to meet up with you and kadams54 and get caught up on where we are with MV
[13:57] <rick_h__> it looks like half the cards are blocked and now following why and want to make sure we plot a path through that asap
[13:57] <hatch__> rick_h__ sure, 20mins?
[13:57] <rick_h__> hatch__: k
[13:58] <urulama> rick_h__: ping
[13:58] <rick_h__> urulama: howdy
[13:58] <rick_h__> urulama: ready to chat?
[13:58] <urulama> rick_h__: sure
[13:58] <rick_h__> urulama: k, invite on the way
[13:59] <rick_h__> urulama: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g5fbbzj56dl7cjvipytcasn5zma?authuser=1&hl=en
[13:59] <urulama> rick_h__: ok, tnx, see that the room is busy :D
[14:03] <jcsackett> hatch__: pushed.
[14:11] <hatch__> jcsackett man git really did the diff odd with your branch heh
[14:12] <jcsackett> hatch: yes.
[14:12] <jcsackett> i find git frequently does terrible things with diffs.
[14:14] <hatch> it tries super hard to keep old lines even if they don't make any sense in the context heh
[14:14] <hatch> "no you saved THIS curly bracket" lol
[14:16] <jcsackett> hatch: yeah. and it seems super easily thrown off by lines moved around.
[14:17] <jcsackett> "you deleted this line and and move that one...better mark the whole file as a conflict!"
[14:21] <hatch> rick_h__ I'm ready whenever you are
[14:22] <rick_h__> hatch: coolio, kadams54 available?
[14:22] <kadams54> rick_h__: yup
[14:22] <rick_h__> kadams54: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gsmrjulttdrhsdmyukjid7aenma?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:35] <jcsackett> hatch: saw your comment on retry; how would retry get the inspectors object? because it just sets up y.later, which only returns a timer.
[14:37] <hatch> jcsackett otp
[14:40] <rick_h__> luca: if you can file that bug with the roll overs I'll get huw to look at it tonight
[14:40] <luca> rick_h__: awesome, I’ll do it now
[14:44] <luca> rick_h__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1339092
[14:44] <_mup_> Bug #1339092: Implement roll over and states for machine view tokens <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339092>
[14:45] <rick_h__> luca: ty
[14:47] <hatch> jcsackett ok done, I'll look into HOW to do what I mentioned heh
[14:47] <hatch> it'll definitely require a bit of a refactoring
[14:47] <hatch> (reworking?) :)
[14:47] <jcsackett> hatch: yeah, Y.later doesn't even let you set a callback or something for the function, which is both odd and vexing.
[14:48] <jcsackett> hatch: i hope not much--this work has taken way too long to get through review already. :p
[14:48] <hatch> I added one other comment as well
[14:48] <jcsackett> hatch: if we don't find a simple way, then Y.later can just retry the dispatcher.
[14:48] <hatch> right, but wasn't that what you were trying to avoid in the first place?
[14:49] <jcsackett> hatch: well, it's what used to happen. this seemed better, but it sets up a problem.
[14:49] <jcsackett> hatch: so we can fall back to what used to happen, which wasn't broken.
[14:50] <rick_h__> jujugui call in 10, kanban please
[14:52] <rick_h__> jcsackett: hatch why a retry loop? is this for when we load the env for the first time and the data's not there yet from the env?
[14:52] <hatch> jcsackett the only 'simple' way is to call the inspector dispatcher again
[14:52] <jcsackett> rick_h__: right.
[14:52] <jcsackett> hatch: then i say that's what we do.
[14:52] <hatch> the other way is way to complicated and whtnot
[14:52] <rick_h__> jcsackett: can we not just tie up to the db events like we talked about before?
[14:52] <hatch> agreed
[14:52] <jcsackett> b/c i don't think spending much more time on this is valuable.
[14:52] <hatch> yeah I'm find with switching it back, it's a simple fix then
[14:53] <bac> rick_h__: the comingsoon to azure card, is that something you'd like to do now?
[14:53] <jcsackett> rick_h__: as i recall, no, b/c the dispatcher doesn't wait on db.
[14:53] <rick_h__> bac: yes, if you care to take it.
[14:53] <rick_h__> jcsackett: right, but who cares about the dispatcher?
[14:53] <hatch> dispatcher don't wait for nobody!
[14:54] <jcsackett> rick_h__: this is all about dispatch.
[14:54] <bac> rick_h__: i don't understand the second part of the description, but yeah.
[14:54] <jcsackett> we have to retry, b/c dispatch doesn't wait for db and throws a fit when it can't find the data it needs.
[14:54] <jcsackett> so we tell it to retry b/c the data will be there in a moment.
[14:54] <rick_h__> bac: ah, the second part was a question on do we just serve out the jenkins workspace as a 'comingsoon' but that could be bad
[14:55] <rick_h__> bac: the idea was that the -merge job would eaily update a local path and just serve out the gui
[14:55] <rick_h__> bac: vs a new machine
[14:55] <rick_h__> bac: meet in standup pre stand up and chat?
[14:56] <bac> rick_h__: i just submitted an hr request for tomorrow as we discussed last week.
[14:56] <rick_h__> bac: rgr
[14:59] <rick_h__> jujugui call in 2
[15:00] <rick_h__> kadams54: ^
[15:00] <kadams54> Joining
[15:13] <urulama> rick_h__: when you finish with calls: what's machine view :D
[15:14] <hatch> urulama http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/machine/:flags:/mv/
[15:14] <hatch> it show the actual juju machines and allows you to fiddle with the placement of units and whatnot
[15:15] <hatch> this is a new feature in the GUI and apparently.....a very long one to implement :)
[15:15] <urulama> hatch: tnx
[15:21] <rick_h__> urulama: yea, it's manual placement for the GUI
[15:21] <jcsackett> hatch: updated PR.
[15:22] <hatch> jcsackett thanks will look again
[15:26] <rick_h__> hey, there he is
[15:26] <rick_h__> Makyo: I removed you from that bug fyi
[15:37] <rick_h__> jrwren: responeded to the bug report, thanks for looking into that
[15:38] <rick_h__> jrwren: can you go ahead with the update to the CN and file a bug on the gui for the user help?
[15:38] <rick_h__> hatch: going to get food and then we can chat.
[15:38] <jrwren> sure, is it fixable?
[15:38] <rick_h__> jrwren: is what fixable?
[15:38] <hatch> rick_h__ cool thanks
[15:39] <jrwren> oh, the bug is just for docs for this.  OK.
[15:39] <jrwren> I was just thinking, "why file a bug, if it can't be fixed", but it can be documented
[15:39] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, the browser can try to do some detection and at least help point the user 'hey I can't connect you might check xxx'
[15:40] <jrwren> ah, ok.
[15:40] <rick_h__> right now the lack of user feedback makes them think juju is broken vs their browser
[15:40] <jrwren> this bug is on juju-gui, should it just be this same bug, or a new one?
[15:41] <rick_h__> jrwren: a new one, this one is on both the charm and the gui. I think having one aroudn the ssl cert for the charm is cool and the other for the gui being helpful
[15:41] <jrwren> ok
[15:41] <hatch> jcsackett two qa issues posted
[15:43] <jcsackett> hatch: huh. haven't seen that. let me see if i broke something addressing last few comments.
[15:43] <hatch> sure thing
[15:45] <jcsackett> hatch: ok, that first one seems to be fallout i missed from moving the change event firing out of viewlet manager (and is in fact the reason that i put it in the viewlet manager in the first place. i'm digging into why it doesn't work now)
[15:46] <jcsackett> that second one, i have no idea.
[15:46] <jcsackett> this damn branch.
[15:48] <hatch> jcsackett it's likely a state issue
[15:48] <jcsackett> hatch: so, this is fallout from moving to the just checking model.id hasn't changed to see if we should re-render or make a new one.
[15:49] <jcsackett> b/c we don't actually destroy this._inspector when the inspector closes.
[15:49] <hatch> that's issue #2?
[15:49] <jcsackett> yeah.
[15:49] <hatch> well we should be destroying it
[15:49] <jcsackett> hatch: i concur.
[15:49] <hatch> +1
[15:49] <hatch> be sure to add a test :PPP
[15:49] <jcsackett> hatch: i'm looking into why it doesn't get destroyed.
[15:52] <jcsackett> hatch: oh man, we've never destroyed it; it doesn't get destroyed in develop either. so it's not just a simple case of a broken dispatch change.
[15:52] <jcsackett> hatch: safe to say that when state sees metadata with inspector: null we can kill this._activeInspector?
[15:53] <hatch> jcsackett you bet - I'm curious though as to why it's not, the enptysectiona method should be destroying it
[15:53] <hatch> ohhhh
[15:53] <hatch> I bet that's what happened
[15:53] <jcsackett> "that" == what now?
[15:54] <hatch> oh wait nm you fixed that
[15:54] <hatch> ok look into emptysectiona method
[15:54] <hatch> it should be being called and destroying the inspector
[15:54] <hatch> https://github.com/jaycee/juju-gui/blob/dispatch-details/app/subapps/browser/browser.js#L390
[15:57] <jcsackett> hatch: this is fun.
[15:58] <jcsackett> this._inspector.destroy() is getting called.
[15:58] <jcsackett> immediately after which, you can still check this._inspector and find an object.
[15:58] <jcsackett> same in develop if you look at this_activeInspector.
[15:58] <hatch> oh...right, duh
[15:58] <hatch> destroy() calls the destructor cycle, it doesn't null out the ref
[15:58] <jcsackett> should empty section set it to undefined or something?
[15:58] <hatch> null probably, yeah
[15:58] <hatch> null....undefined....whatever
[15:59] <hatch> heh
[15:59] <jcsackett> yeah, that fixes that.
[16:05] <jrwren> what we talked about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1339155
[16:05] <_mup_> Bug #1339155: gui should display help when wss fails due to incorrectly accepted certificate <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339155>
[16:05] <jcsackett> hatch: so it looks like the onHide function in service-inspector isn't even being called? it's just jumping straight to viewlet managers hideSlot, despite my setting click on close-slot to onHide in the service inspector.
[16:05] <jcsackett> thoughts?
[16:05] <rick_h__> ty jrwren
[16:05] <urulama> rick_h__: i've added some suggestions to the "new hire" doc
[16:06] <rick_h__> urulama: ty much
[16:06] <jrwren> rick_h__: should I start working on that bug?
[16:07] <rick_h__> jrwren: just the CN one in the charm
[16:07] <jrwren> ah, did that.
[16:07] <rick_h__> jrwren: so that it doesn't lead to juju.ubuntu.com but to their own env
[16:07] <rick_h__> jrwren: ok, is that reviewed and landed then?
[16:07] <jrwren> point me to docs on that process?
[16:07] <rick_h__> jrwren: there's a hacking doc around the charm with some functional tests.
[16:08] <jrwren> got it.
[16:08] <urulama> jrwren: please share
[16:08] <rick_h__> jrwren: so you need to pull down the charm code, update it, push it up under your name space, create a merge request from launchpad, and ping to get a review
[16:08] <rick_h__> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk/files
[16:08] <rick_h__> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/HACKING.md
[16:08] <jrwren> guess I shouldn't have bzr push :parent then.  ooops
[16:09] <urulama> rick_h__: tnx
[16:09] <hatch> jcsackett hmm lemme take a look
[16:09] <rick_h__> jrwren: heh, nope
[16:09] <hatch> I'm not sure
[16:09] <rick_h__> jrwren: urulama nothing ever lands without review and all stuff should be forked to your own name space (in github or LP) and a pull request/merge proposal created to be signed off on
[16:10] <rick_h__> jrwren: urulama and we try hard to create a HACKING doc in each project to help describe the workflow for devs
[16:10] <frankban> also for charm/quickstart development we use lbox
[16:10] <rick_h__> can't promise them, but try to
[16:11] <jrwren> i don't know lbox
[16:11] <rick_h__> frankban: we do for the charm?
[16:11] <frankban> rick_h__: yes
[16:11] <rick_h__> ok, looks like we need some updating to the hacking docs
[16:11] <frankban> rick_h__: +1
[16:12] <urulama> frankban: this lbox? https://launchpad.net/lbox
[16:12] <rick_h__> urulama: yes
[16:12] <rick_h__> urulama: jrwren lbox is a tool written to help push reviews through reitveld
[16:12] <rick_h__> it allows for some nicer code review tooling and lbox helps sync with the launchpad merge proposals/etc
[16:12]  * urulama was happy for a minute not to have to deal with new stuff ... oh well ... :D
[16:13] <jrwren> i wondered what that .lbox file was in the charm
[16:13] <rick_h__> yea, it runs a pre-pull request hook basically to make sure tests pass locally before pushing
[16:13] <rick_h__> quickstart docs don't mention lbox either :/
[16:13] <hatch> jcsackett found it
[16:14] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/views/viewlets/charm-details.js#L93
[16:14] <hatch> jcsackett see the e.halt() in that method? That's why it's not being called....e.halt() is the devil which we need to use because I bet the X is an anchor tag
[16:15] <rick_h__> jrwren: urulama ok, good finds some old docs on lbox :) https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/blob/master/HACKING.txt#L29
[16:15] <rick_h__> jrwren: urulama and I think last time we had to go the go get lbox route
[16:15] <hatch> jcsackett so if so the X needs to be changed from an anchor into a span, then that e.halt() can be removed and then it'll work
[16:15] <rick_h__> sudo go get launchpad.net/lbox will install it globally or you can do it local/etc
[16:16] <urulama> rick_h__: why sudo? isn't the go/bin dir enough?
[16:16] <rick_h__> urulama: that's what I mean, you choice
[16:18] <hatch> jrwren damn that safari thing sure sucks....
[16:18] <rick_h__> jrwren: so from here, can you make sure to run the functional tests of the charm with what you've landed
[16:18] <rick_h__> jrwren: otherwise it's a minor change and should be good, just want to make sure no tests were relying/checking that
[16:19] <jrwren> hatch: SECURITY! :)
[16:19] <hatch> "SECURE ALL THE THINGS!!!!"
[16:19] <jrwren> rick_h__: yes, doing that.
[16:19] <rick_h__> jrwren: ty much
[16:20] <rick_h__> jrwren: let me know when you've got time to chat
[16:22] <jrwren> was JUST going to run out to lunch.
[16:23] <jrwren> lets chat, then I'll run.
[16:23] <rick_h__> jrwren: sorry, was meant to be hatch
[16:23] <rick_h__> jrwren: go to lunch, we're good
[16:23] <rick_h__> hatch: let me know when you've got time to chat
[16:23] <jrwren> oh, in that case, I'm running out for a bit. brb in 45min or less.
[16:23] <hatch> rick_h__ 1 min
[16:24] <urulama> jujugui: bye all, fun day ;)
[16:24] <rogpeppe> urulama: g'night
[16:24] <bac> bye urulama
[16:24] <rick_h__> urulama: night
[16:25] <hatch> rick_h__ standup room?
[16:25] <rick_h__> hatch: k
[16:25]  * urulama gets embarrassed for checking out during daytime ;)
[16:25] <rick_h__> hatch: new room
[16:25] <hatch> nope it's full
[16:25] <hatch> heh
[16:42]  * jcsackett discovers he was disconnected from znc for some reason.
[16:43] <jcsackett> hatch: is there any fallout to always calling addTarget on viewlets to the view manager? then the viewlet's close can just fire the change event.
[17:13] <hatch> man all these hangouts have killed my battery
[17:13] <hatch> jcsackett the only issue is that it may fire an event that someone up the chain is listening for
[17:13] <hatch> so it'll react accidentally to the event
[17:14] <hatch> there is also a performance issue....but neither of these are very big negatives tbh
[17:14] <hatch> if you had like 100's then yeah it would suck, but there is only one so...
[17:16] <hatch> jcsackett ^
[17:18] <hatch> rick_h__ sorry it wasn't the oatmeal it was http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/04/just-be-present/
[17:20] <rick_h__> hatch: I do like this "I’d bet you’ll find most of the ones without people in them pretty boring."
[17:20] <rick_h__> hatch: but yea nice post
[17:20] <hatch> I just found it funny because it showed up right under your post about your fireworks pics
[17:21] <rick_h__> :) sometimes I've got good timing
[17:22] <hatch> haha
[17:23] <hatch> well you can take some solace in knowing that yours are awesome
[17:24] <rick_h__> hatch: so based on our call, did you want to shuffle the cards around? move the coding one back and the other back to code?
[17:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: and if your two cards are one chunk feel free to combine
[17:24] <rick_h__> bah jcsackett ^
[17:25] <jcastro> oooh, you're going to let me move your cards around? I'd _love_ to reprioritize stuff!
[17:26] <rick_h__> hah!
[17:26] <rick_h__> you and Mark S can duke it out
[17:26] <rick_h__> I'd pay to see that
[17:28] <hatch> rick_h__ yep I'll re-org them
[17:31]  * rogpeppe is done for the day
[17:31] <rogpeppe> g'night all
[17:40] <jcsackett> rick_h__: i can combine, but it's two branches, one done but dependent on changes from the one currently on review.
[17:41] <rick_h__> jcsackett: ah ok cool
[17:41] <rick_h__> jcsackett: I didn't realize it was two branches knew you were working through the review of one
[17:51] <jrwren> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/HACKING.md says juju-test is part of charm tools, but... it does not seem to be for me.  did this change from ppa:juju/stable -> ppa:juju/dev
[17:53] <rick_h__> jrwren: it used to be, I think it's just a single file and in the tree now? I don't think you need that.
[17:54] <jrwren> which tree?
[17:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: the charm
[17:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: sorry, new laptop and don't have the sources locally. Working on looking.
[17:55] <jrwren> i'm looking too
[18:01] <jrwren> oh! my bad.
[18:01] <jrwren> i need both juju/devel and juju/stable PPA
[18:01] <jrwren> poor assumptions here.
[18:03] <rick_h__> jrwren: no, this is what I mean by the documentation being out of date on that. Apologies on our end.
[18:03] <rick_h__> they should be copy/pastable
[18:03] <jrwren> they are.
[18:04] <jrwren> i assummed that I didn't need hte ppa the documentation wrote, because stable v. devel
[18:04] <jrwren> charm-tools is in stable ppa, but not devel ppa.  Its really my bad.
[18:04] <rick_h__> ah gotcha
[18:04] <jrwren> maybe I'll update HACKING.md with a note stating as much.
[18:08] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea,a if it threw you off it's likely to catch someone else as well
[18:17] <jrwren> whoa, selenium. cool.
[18:19] <rick_h__> putting the functional into the functional tests wheeee
[18:23] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: is there a special flag in the gui that will show the icon on personal branches?
[18:24] <marcoceppi> also, if so, what is that flag
[18:24] <marcoceppi> ps <3
[18:25] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: no, it's never gotten done. Only for local charms deployed
[18:25] <marcoceppi> whyyy have you all forsaken meeeeeeee
[18:25] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: because you didn't send enough pie
[18:26]  * marcoceppi bakes a ton of pie
[18:26] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: honestly, because i added a branch do it it and then it actually broke things and I've never gotten to write code again and it's never gotten fixed :)
[18:28] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: any way to get this in to gui? We're looking down teh barrel where people want to demo stuff and are putting pressure to promulgate charms because they can't see silly little icons, but these charms are demoware not store stuff
[18:28] <Makyo> Damnit, got pinged for an appointment I forgot about.  Will be back in a bit.
[18:29] <rick_h__> Makyo: have fun
[18:29] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: not until after machine view is out
[18:29] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: we're under the gun for this. I'm happy to make it a task after that
[18:29] <marcoceppi> and that's not going to happen by the 18th?
[18:30] <rick_h__> heh, I'm hoping, but only just by the 18th
[18:30] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: cool, should I open a bug to track this request?
[18:30]  * marcoceppi is excited for machine view
[18:30] <rick_h__> and then we're out of town so we'd start it the week after that
[18:30] <rick_h__> hmm, thought we had a bug. Let me look
[18:33] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1260854
[18:33] <_mup_> Bug #1260854: we really need to support icons for all charms, at least as an option <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260854>
[18:33] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: I did one branch that did it for charms, but then that broken icons for bundles and caused us to not release it
[18:34] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: cool, thanks man
[18:34] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: but since local charms work, that's a great way to get things deployed for a demo and then they get icons
[18:34] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: not sure on the full path of the demo/etc
[18:35] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: yeah, but for this demo they're going to want to do the zero to drag and drop deploy
[18:35] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: gotcha
[18:35] <marcoceppi> I do really love that local shows icon
[18:35] <marcoceppi> makes charm dev a nice experience
[18:38] <rick_h__> kadams54: around?
[18:38] <kadams54> rick_h__: yup
[18:39] <rick_h__> kadams54: got a sec to chat in the hangout on the machine naming business?
[18:39] <kadams54> Sure
[18:43] <kadams54> rick_h__: ^
[18:44] <rick_h__> kadams54: hmm, sitting in there
[18:44]  * rick_h__ tries again
[18:44] <rick_h__> kadams54: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup?authuser=1
[18:49] <hatch__> oo rick_h__  you're gona love this new impl
[18:49]  * hatch__ also loves it like 1B times more than the original one
[18:50] <rick_h__> hatch__: woot woot
[18:51] <hatch__> https://gist.github.com/hatched/d56c0a585397e9d8ef73
[18:51] <hatch__> there's the preliminary diff of the scale-up.js file
[19:00] <rick_h__> hatch__: cool, glad the conversation was useful
[19:04] <rick_h__> kadams54: marked the bug as invalid and replied to the thread.
[19:04] <rick_h__> kadams54: feel free to ditch the card and move on to something more interesting
[19:05] <kadams54> Will do.
[19:07] <hatch__> making logical commits as I was working is also making it very easy to remove commits which are no longer valid from this refactoring
[19:07] <hatch__> saving a bunch of work
[19:07] <hatch__> rick_h__ kadams54  we are no longer removing 'new' ?
[19:10] <jcsackett> hatch__: ok, i've been able to sort out QA fixes. can you verify QA good now?
[19:11] <hatch__> jcsackett
[19:11] <hatch__> yes
[19:11] <hatch__> :)
[19:12]  * jcsackett crosses fingers that you'll actually see QA good. :p
[19:12] <jcsackett> ...yes, hatch? :p
[19:12] <jcsackett> heheh.
[19:12] <hatch__> haha
[19:12] <hatch__> r u going to rebase into logical commits before landing?
[19:12] <hatch__> want to do that before I QA? just in case
[19:12] <rick_h__> hatch__: no, we're not for now. See email thread.
[19:13] <hatch__> rick_h__ cool will look
[19:14] <kadams54> rick_h__, hatch__ : https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1339289 for the follow up bug to improve logic around committed/uncommitted.
[19:14] <_mup_> Bug #1339289: Stop using ID to determine if a machine is uncommitted <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339289>
[19:14] <rick_h__> kadams54: k, adding a card to the backlog to look into it
[19:14] <hatch__> kadams54 thanks
[19:14] <rick_h__> kadams54: feel free to use that with any XXX
[19:15] <kadams54> Yeah, I'll add XXX comments as drive-bys in my next branch.
[19:16] <hatch__> I'm too old and overweight for my hobbies, crashed hard yesterday kiting and I'm paying for it today.....can I be 21 again?
[19:19] <rick_h__> hatch__: heh, I'm sore from the camping weekend
[19:19] <hatch__> sheesh, don't start kiting then lol
[19:19] <rick_h__> hah
[19:19] <hatch__> I got to hit the gym
[19:19] <hatch__> maybe get one of those treadmill desks
[19:19] <hatch__> I wonder if I can jog and type
[19:19] <hatch__> lol
[19:21] <hatch__> I have an elliptical but those just don't quite work for the whole....desk + treadmill thing :)
[19:21] <jrwren> We had treadmill desks at my last job, in the office. They were nice.
[19:22] <hatch__> you could concentrate while walking and typing?
[19:22] <jrwren> yes.
[19:22] <jrwren> it had a slow max speed.
[19:22] <hatch__> I'm worried I'd have to turn it off to think
[19:22] <hatch__> lol
[19:22] <jrwren> i didn't use it much.
[19:22] <jrwren> I prefer standing desk.
[19:23] <hatch__> yeah I'm rocking two mdf boxes ontop of my normal desk as a standing desk :)
[19:23] <jrwren> nice.
[19:23] <jrwren> i'm still on laptop on cardboard for my standing desk, i'll upgrade to something almost that hacky soon.
[19:23] <hatch__> haha
[19:24] <hatch__> it works well, just slow to convert back to a sitting desk
[19:24] <jrwren> I've not converted yet.
[19:25] <jrwren> i'm doing pretty good at standing all day.
[19:25] <jrwren> maybe, sit for lunch.
[19:25] <jrwren> Yesterday, I sat for 10m because the docs I needed to read were a bit long :)
[19:26] <hatch__> haha - yeah I'm thinking of going for a motorized standing/sitting desk for more room and then putting a recliner in my office for deep thinking bouts
[19:27] <jrwren> awesome. when I sat for that doc reading it was in my Ikea POÄNG :)
[19:28] <jcsackett> hatch__: logical commits pushed.
[19:33] <rick_h__> hatch__: woot watch arrived
[19:33] <hatch__> rick_h__ lucky!! mine is 'being held by ups'
[19:33] <hatch__> watever that means :/
[19:33] <hatch__> jcsackett cool will qa
[19:37] <hatch__> jcsackett while I do this want to kick off a new CI build?
[19:37] <hatch__> it failed right-away
[19:37] <jcsackett> hatch__: yeah, what's up with that failure?
[19:38] <hatch__> no idea...
[19:38] <jcsackett> it's an npm thing taht doesn't happen locally.
[19:39] <jcsackett> hatch__: don't bother QAing. i just noticed something else wrong.
[19:39] <hatch__> jcsackett when I deploy a charm (without mv) the inspector doesn't have units...
[19:39] <jcsackett> for some reason units are not now rendering...
[19:39] <jcsackett> yeah.
[19:39] <hatch__> ok :)
[19:39] <jcsackett> ...
[19:40] <hatch__> sorry :)
[19:40] <hatch__> i feel your pain
[19:40] <jcsackett> i'm growing to *really* hate the inspector, and dispatch, and viewlets, and...
[19:40] <jcsackett> :p
[19:41] <hatch__> just imagine what it was like before that :)
[19:42] <jcsackett> hatch__: i think you're going to be blocked on your card in perpetuity man.
[19:42] <hatch__> nah I have faith in you
[19:55]  * rick_h__ runs away for the evening.
[19:55] <hatch__> stepping out for lunch bbl
[19:55] <rick_h__> I'll be back later, but hatch__ Makyo if you see huw before I do I've assigned him a card for tonight to help UX
[19:56] <rick_h__> hatch__: Makyo please point it out to him if you see him first
[19:56] <hatch__> will do
[20:36] <bac> ugh, i just told my phone 'juju set a timer' instead of 'siri'.
[20:47] <rick_h__> bac: lol
[20:49] <hatch__> haha
[20:57] <Makyo> Erk
[21:19] <jcsackett> hatch__: found and fixed it, need to change locations to get a reliable enough internet connection to push changes. should be just a few moments.
[21:23] <hatch__> heh where are you in a cave? ;)
[21:26] <rick_h__> says the man who had to cell signal it up for a week :P
[21:27] <hatch__> lol, now shut your mouth
[21:27] <hatch__> I have no comeback
[21:27] <hatch__> that's all you get
[21:27] <hatch__> haha
[21:54] <jcsackett> hatch__: ok, everything looks good on my end now, and i've pushed.
[21:54] <jcsackett> hopefully i didn't miss anything this time around, and there's nothing new broken. :p
[21:54] <hatch__> :)
[21:54] <hatch__> will look
[22:01] <hatch__> jcsackett did you happen to check this in a real env so you can see if /charm gets dispatched on load?
[22:09] <jcsackett> hatch__: no, actually, i did not. do you have  real env to check against, by any chance?
[22:09] <hatch__> I don't I can spin one up if needed though
[22:10] <hatch__> I'll do that
[22:10] <hatch__> maybe....
[22:10] <hatch__> hmm
[22:10] <hatch__> not sure if working...
[22:10] <hatch__> oh there it goes
[22:10] <hatch__> slow internets today I guess
[22:11]  * jcsackett laughs
[22:12] <jcsackett> hatch__: if it doesn't dispatch on load properly, i think let's deal with it as a follow up so we can get this moving and get you unblocked.
[22:12] <hatch__> :-)
[22:13] <hatch__> in that case you might as well shipit while I do this
[22:13] <hatch__> I +1d
[22:13] <hatch__> because local testing was ok
[22:13] <jcsackett> oh, i missed that. well, i'm curious to know. if it fails in a simple way, i'm game for looking into it.
[22:14] <jcsackett> naively, i think it should just work--the only issue is model loading, and that's already handled.
[22:14] <hatch__> ok it'll probably be 20mins before this is up, amazon is slow
[22:20] <jcsackett> hatch__: hm. ok. maybe i should just :shipit: so i can get the next dependent (but thankfully *much* smaller) branch up for PR.
[22:20] <jcsackett> hatch__: when is your EoD/
[22:21] <rick_h__> jcsackett: +1 if the tests pass and normal QA is good then feel free to shipit and follow up with a good QA tomorrow.
[22:21] <hatch__> technically 40mins, but I'm going to get my branch up for review before I'm done regardless
[22:21] <jcsackett> rick_h__: ok.
[22:21] <rick_h__> jcsackett: it won't hold anyone back and we're not looking to do a release tomorrow.
[22:21] <rick_h__> jcsackett: but it is a good idea to check it out as the issue is particularly with live envs
[22:21] <hatch__> gui is pending
[22:22] <jcsackett> hatch__: how long is gui likely to take to spin up? no more than 5 min or so, right?
[22:23] <hatch__> jcsackett iunno depends on what I have my ec2 instances set up
[22:23] <hatch__> on
[22:23] <jcsackett> ah.
[22:23] <hatch__> still pending
[22:23] <hatch__> :)
[22:23] <jcsackett> hatch__: well, i'll go ahead and :shipit: and if you tell me it doesn't work on live, i know what i'm doing tomorrow. :)
[22:23] <jcsackett> and i'll get the other PR up so we can unblock your work.
[22:25] <hatch__> sounds good
[22:42] <hatch__> jcsackett gui up
[22:51] <jcsackett> hatch__: awesome. merge job still going. :p
[22:51] <jcsackett> how's /charm load up on persistent?
[22:51] <hatch__> I'm having an odd issue with juju
[22:51] <hatch__> it's saying the juju-gui machine doesn't exist
[22:51] <hatch__> when it's in the status list...
[22:52] <jcsackett> that's...bizarre.
[22:52] <jcsackett> hatch__: what v of juju? they just did a release, could be a bug?
[22:52] <hatch__> 1.18.4
[22:54] <hatch__> jcsackett crud there is bugs in your branch
[22:54] <jcsackett> hatch__: what?
[22:54] <hatch__> can't load the inspector on load
[22:54] <hatch__> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'get' of null service-config.js:97
[22:54] <jcsackett> hatch__: this is only with persistent env, though?
[22:55] <jcsackett> or did we miss something in QA?
[22:55] <hatch__> well...yeah a real env...like what people /actually/ use lol
[22:56] <hatch__> so how do you want me to do this? Do you want me to file a bug or will you just give it a go in the morning and work on a fix?
[22:57] <jcsackett> hatch__: i'll make a card saying it's an issue in persistent.
[22:57] <jcsackett> and i'll deal in the morning.
[22:58] <jcsackett> hatch__: if you're game, second branch https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/426
[22:58] <hatch__> ok sounds good, I'll tear down the env
[23:00] <jcsackett> hatch__: second PR is *much* smaller. :)
[23:01] <jcsackett> hatch__: also, if you don't have a reviewer for your upcoming PR, i can try to get to it sometime tonight, if not first thing in the morning which i believe is before your day starts.
[23:02] <hatch__> ok that sounds like a plan
[23:02] <hatch__> I'll get on your review in a few mins
[23:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:04] <rick_h__> huwshimi: morning, want to chat when you get settled this morning please
[23:04] <huwshimi> rick_h__: Sure. Call?
[23:04] <rick_h__> huwshimi: sure thing
[23:05] <rick_h__> huwshimi: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/guoc2hcs3slor7fh67oxp764dea?authuser=1&hl=en
[23:13] <hatch__> jcsackett just finishing up my branch - I'll do your review before your SOD
[23:23] <jcsackett> hatch__: don't stay up too late; if it has to wait till you start tomorrow, that's fine.
[23:23] <jcsackett> :p
[23:23] <jcsackett> i'm out for a bit.
[23:44] <hatch__> jcsackett looks like you have a bonified CI failure
[23:52] <hatch__> jujugui lf a review and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/425
[23:53] <hatch__> thanks
[23:58] <huwshimi> hatch: So the point of those state classes is that you should only need to ever have one applied to the container. In your branch it seems that you need to have two bits of UI showing so you're adding an additional state class instead of modifying the CSS to fix the real issue