[00:29] <holstein> puff: i had an older thinkpad that had "panel fit".. it was a keyboard shortcut..
[00:29] <holstein> anyways, if its not a keyboard shortcut like that, i would try different GPU drivers.. even testing with the vesa driver..
[04:52] <NotAlbert> good afternoon guys
[04:53] <NotAlbert> i just want to ask how am i going to archive a file at the maximum compressed level using p7zip
[05:58] <Snicksie> I get a black screen after the xubuntu-loader (when I should get my login screen) with kernel versions 3.13.0-63 and -61, but it's working with -55. I'm using xubuntu 14.04 LTS and I'm not sure how to debug this problem. My tty's are working just fine, so I have no idea really what the problem is. In my dmesg I get a stack trace after an excessive driver sleep, on intel gpu driver after removing the efi default vga driver. What are my next ste
[05:58] <Snicksie> I'm currently on a kernel version that has the problem, if that would help
[06:00] <Snicksie> I got no video output at all, after the xubuntu-loader. Also, I get a black screen before the xubuntu-loader, which I'm also not used to
[06:12] <Snicksie> also, it's clearly only the video output that is missing, I can blindly login there, it logs in and all
[06:21] <Snicksie> lightdm doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that I have no video output
[06:28] <Snicksie> ok, thanks for the rubberducking, I removed all traces of nvidia driver and bumblebee stuff that might have been (partially?) responsible, now it works
[07:38] <dkessel> Snicksie: i have also had that when some nvidia driver update went wrong. It failed to install the kernel module. Reinstalling the driver generally helps
[07:48] <Snicksie> ok, that might have been the problem indeed dkessel, I'll look into it later (at work now), to make sure bumblebee works again. Nouveau driver failed miserably at running anything at all including glxgears
[09:59] <xubuntu969> hello how i dowloand some mp3 from youtube how programe ?
[09:59] <cfhowlett> !youtube-dl
[10:03] <xubuntu969> but i want to dowloand in my phone and when i dowloand like youtube-dl its not suported format
[10:04] <cfhowlett> xubuntu969, your PHONE?  this is xubuntu support ... is ubuntu on your phone??
[10:05] <xubuntu969> no
[10:05] <xubuntu969> i cant uderstand the princip of dowloandig in my phone
[10:05] <cfhowlett> ask the people who make your phone.
[10:06] <xubuntu969> its from sony
[10:06] <cfhowlett> and it's not ubuntu.  this is ubuntu support.  NOT sony suppot.
[10:06] <cfhowlett> *support*
[10:11] <xubuntu969> so thank you i dowload old way in the windows
[10:12] <xubuntu969> hawe a nice day
[10:12] <cfhowlett> peace
[10:12] <xubuntu969> peace
[10:12] <xubuntu969> thanks
[11:01] <ravi> hi
[11:01] <ravi> this is ravi
[11:01] <ravi> i downloaded eclipse-mars from eclipse site
[11:02] <ravi> and i extracted it
[11:02] <ravi> i don't know how to launch it?
[11:02] <ravi> my os is xubuntu
[11:02] <ravi> could you assist me?
[14:09] <xubuntu505w> lost all sounds on my xubuntu 14.04. all of a sudden (probably due to some update issues) dont know how to fix it. tried several suggested solutions on the web, didnt do the trick...
[14:10] <holstein> xubuntu505w: i think, for me, step one would be, to determine the hardware didnt break.. if i know the 14.04 live iso worked with it, i could try that.. or, windows, if its a dual boot machine
[14:11] <xubuntu505w> also some window which i havent seen before pops out every now and then, showing speaker and red x sign and something that looks like progress bar, dissapears by itself after a second
[14:11] <holstein> i would then try "lspci" and "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" and see that the hardware is present, and alsa is loading it
[14:11] <xubuntu505w> will try that now and report results
[14:12] <holstein> i would be looking at any relevant ppa's that may have packages that could break support.. i would try booting the older kernel, if i think its an update that has broken something..
[14:12] <xubuntu505w> lspci says this:
[14:12] <xubuntu505w> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 06) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI Express x16 Controller (rev 06) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI (rev 05) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:1a.0 USB controlle
[14:13] <xubuntu505w> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1 (rev d5) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev d5) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #1 (rev 05) 00:1f.
[14:13] <xubuntu505w> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750] (rev a2) 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0fbc (rev a1) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
[14:13] <Pici> !pastebin
[14:14] <xubuntu505w> ok tnx sorry didnt know
[14:15] <xubuntu505w> aplay found two cards
[14:16] <xubuntu505w> first Intel PCH
[14:16] <xubuntu505w> second HDA Nvidia but that one was found 3 times, on 3 devices whatever that means
[14:17] <xubuntu505w> arecord found that Intel PCH on two devices
[14:17] <holstein> xubuntu505w: those commands, aplay, and arecord just look and see what alsa is capable of using..
[14:18] <holstein> im not giving you a "fix my audio command".. just some tools that can help me help you find what the issue can be..
[14:19] <holstein> you can simply try booting your older kernel, if you feel an update has broken something..
[14:19] <xubuntu505w> looks like alsa has the needed connections from these results though?
[14:19] <xubuntu505w> i tried rebooting alsa didnt help
[14:20] <holstein> xubuntu505w: have you tried booting the older kernel?
[14:21] <xubuntu505w> something did change though, now when that popup appears there is a small noise coming from the speakers
[14:21] <xubuntu505w> nope since this is the computer in question
[14:21] <xubuntu505w> if i reboot i will log out from here...
[14:21] <holstein> i like using pavucontrol, to see connections for audio
[14:21] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[14:22] <xubuntu505w> ok will try that
[14:23] <xubuntu505w> pavucontrol shows that the music is playing
[14:23] <xubuntu505w> only no sound from the speakers
[14:24] <morf> 5.1?
[14:24] <holstein> xubuntu505w: see where it is routed
[14:24] <morf> for me 5.1 not playing either, unless i set output to 5.1
[14:24] <holstein> double check the physical routing.. check power.. etc..
[14:24] <morf> but it's caused imho by the sound card
[14:25] <morf> (e.g. output 5.1 -> playing both head phones, and speakers; on stereo only head phones
[14:25] <xubuntu505w> cables & power r ok, the lights r on, so at least am sure that there is power to the speakers
[14:26] <xubuntu505w> it says ALSA playback on Built in Analog audio stereo
[14:26] <xubuntu505w> speakers r only making noise when i recive this pop up which appears all of a sudden
[14:26] <xubuntu505w> dont understand it it comes randomly and dissapears
[14:27] <xubuntu505w> when i click on it it also dissapears, does nothing as far as i can see
[14:28] <xubuntu505w> they make that small noise from static, like a hiccup every time with pop up
[14:29] <xubuntu505w> morf: what is this 5.1 u were talkin about? didnt get it?
[14:30] <morf> in the pavucontrol ... configuration ... there is list of devices and their profiles
[14:30] <morf> (configuration tab)
[14:30] <xubuntu505w> yup checkin it
[14:30] <morf> it maybe same "issue" for you as for me, because of weird sound card
[14:30] <xubuntu505w> it has two
[14:31] <xubuntu505w> it says
[14:31] <xubuntu505w> Digital stereo HDMI (unplugged)
[14:31] <xubuntu505w> this unplugged doesent sound good, or?
[14:31] <morf> if you actually do use hdmi certainly not :)))
[14:31] <xubuntu505w> and Analog stereo duplex under Built in audio
[14:32] <morf> well anyway there is name of the device and list of profiles
[14:32] <morf> i have there something like various combinations of 5.1 / 4.1 ... analog/digital stereo ...
[14:32] <morf> (in the profiles drop down)
[14:33] <holstein> what do i do? i plug something, physically into *every* output, then, i try *every* connection.. this is part of providing linux support for hardware that doesnt promise linux support.. it can be tricky
[14:33] <morf> :))) dunno
[14:33] <morf> for the sound issues, you may want try alsa play ( aplay some.wav )
[14:33] <xubuntu505w> but i have only normal speakers and they were working normally up to this morning... so i guess they r plugged in correctly
[14:34] <morf> to figure out if it's pulseaudio or something else
[14:34] <xubuntu505w> not sure about that HDMI but i think that im not using it?
[14:34] <holstein> xubuntu505w: sure. but, *dont* guess..
[14:34] <morf> if you have normal jack connected speakers you don't using it
[14:34] <holstein> if you are not using HDMI, dont route anything to it.. though, i will test that, since, those labels can be incorrect
[14:34] <morf> mostly it's just from some monitor
[14:35] <xubuntu505w> yup i have normal jack connected speakers only
[14:35] <xubuntu505w> and they do make some sound althoug only from static when that pop up appears
[14:35] <holstein> i'll try the live iso that i *know* the hardware supported, so, i know the hardware isnt broken.. then, i'll try as another user.. the guest account, for example, to rule out user config.. i'll try the older kernel, if i feel its an upgrade
[14:36] <xubuntu505w> have no idea where else i should plugg them in, perhaps i do have some second audio jack on the comp to change it, will look
[14:36] <holstein> if im hearing "static", then, i know that can be broken hardware.. so, again, i try and setup a reliable test for that
[14:36] <holstein> since, if the hardware is broken, i cant "Fix" that from inside the OS
[14:37] <xubuntu505w> ok will try and plugg speakers into something else, my phone comes in mind...
[14:37] <holstein> sure, and what does that test? the physical speakers.. which is a good test. but, the *hardware*.. the actual audio device.. the sound card, can still be broken.. or motherboard.. etc
[14:38] <xubuntu505w> ok so i should go and find live cd and try it with that?
[14:39] <holstein> xubuntu505w: there really is no "should". im just suggesting, start with less variables.. if you havent tested the speakers on sommething like your phone, then, sure, they can be broken..
[14:40] <holstein> is the sound card physically  broken? and you can test for that with a known good live iso.. or, an officially supported OS.. was the kernel upgraded, and that is causing the support for the hardware to be different? booting the last known good kernel can confirm that..
[14:41] <xubuntu505w> ok so phone first, live CD second, trying older kernel third, and if that doesent work ill be back (Arnie comes in mind always when i say that). no the kernel wasnt upgraded it was only some minor update
[14:41] <xubuntu505w> something that downloaded along the way and you click mindlessly while working on other things
[14:41] <xubuntu505w> like almost every day
[14:41] <xubuntu505w> for sure now ill read it carefully before i do that again
[14:42] <xubuntu505w> goin then to the suggested tasks, thanks for the advices :)
[15:08] <xubuntu505w> im back with my no sound on speakers in xubuntu 14.04
[15:08] <xubuntu505w> tried live cd linux mint
[15:08] <holstein> !audio | xubuntu505w
[15:08] <xubuntu505w> everything works perfectly
[15:08] <holstein> so, you know the hardware isnt broken..
[15:09] <holstein> could be as simple as, you have something muted in the chain somewhere
[15:09] <holstein> i wouldnt start dropping "sudo" commands, though.. you can really make things worse, quite easily..,
[15:09] <xubuntu505w> well dont know where all to check
[15:09] <xubuntu505w> disabled automute
[15:10] <holstein> xubuntu505w: sure.. and how? and why? maybe that is actually breaking something
[15:11] <xubuntu505w> went into alsamixer
[15:11] <xubuntu505w> so decided to try to disable automute since it was enabled
[15:11] <xubuntu505w> thats all
[15:11] <xubuntu505w> can put it back
[15:11] <xubuntu505w> had no effect on my problem
[15:12] <xubuntu505w> also added one option in alsa-base.conf
[15:12] <xubuntu505w> didnt change a thing
[15:12] <holstein> do you have a system wide issue? no audio as *any* user?
[15:12] <holstein> xubuntu505w: you will want to look at, and undo those settings, likely, since, you can really break the audio system wide, when you could just have a simple user config issue..
[15:13] <xubuntu505w> added this line: options snd-hda-intel model=generic
[15:13] <holstein> sure.. but, why? and when?
[15:13] <xubuntu505w> dont look really dangerous to me but will remove it
[15:13] <holstein> i have audio, and i havent added any such lines.. and, that is not added to the live iso you just tried
[15:13] <xubuntu505w> found some topic that suggested that that did the trick to somebody with similar problem
[15:14] <xubuntu505w> will remove it now
[15:15] <holstein> and, im not suggesting that as a fix.. just that, you need to start at the beginning of the chain, and confirm all the parts..
[15:15] <holstein> *do* you have sound as another user?
[15:15] <holstein> if you do, then, you konw, you dont need to mess about with the kernel, and alsa.. etc..
[15:16] <xubuntu505w> ok removed that two changes i did, now will logg out again since i need to log in as other user and check if the issue persists (have a nagging feelin it will, but it needs checkin)
[15:17] <xubuntu505w> will be back
[15:20] <xubuntu505w_> back with my no sound issue
[15:21] <xubuntu505w_> it doesent work as other user
[15:22] <xubuntu505w_> so to explain again if there r new people readin it
[15:22] <xubuntu505w_> have xubuntu 14.04.
[15:22] <xubuntu505w_> till this mornin sound was workin normally. have only normal pc speakers plugged in, nothin fancy
[15:23] <xubuntu505w_> i guess there was some minor update or sth (of the kind that you mindlessly click and forget about)
[15:23] <xubuntu505w_> and no sound since
[15:24] <xubuntu505w_> and some weird pop up window in left upper corner of the screen showin speaker and sth that looks like progress bar and comes randomly dissapears after about a sec
[15:24] <xubuntu505w_> no sound commin from speakers at all exept when that pop up appears then there is short sound like burst of static
[15:24] <xubuntu505w_> under live cd linux mint everything works perfectly
[15:25] <xubuntu505w_> there is no sound for all users on xubuntu 14.04
[15:25] <xubuntu505w_> tried force reload of alsa
[15:25] <xubuntu505w_> no result
[17:41] <xubuntu505w> i've been posting questions earlier today about sound issue in xubuntu 14.04. which appeared after minor update (no sound in the speakers & funny pop-up notification appearing)
[17:42] <xubuntu505w> anyway i've found the problem
[17:42] <xubuntu505w> dunno how to fix it though
[17:42] <xubuntu505w> whenever that pop-up appears
[17:43] <xubuntu505w> it changes port in my bult in analog stereo
[17:43] <xubuntu505w> and i lose sound
[17:43] <xubuntu505w> when i change it back it works
[17:43] <xubuntu505w> then the pop up appears again and i need to change it back and so on... how to find out what is causing the pop up (and subsequent port change)?
[17:49] <GridCube> xubuntu505w: different programs have different outputs on pavucontrol
[17:50] <GridCube> you can have the music player streaming sound to analog and the movie players streaming sound to hdmi
[17:50] <xubuntu505w> im not playing anything and the pop up appears randomly
[17:51] <xubuntu505w> and it causes the change in pavucontrol
[17:51] <xubuntu505w> im playin music from youtube
[17:51] <xubuntu505w> and when it appears
[17:51] <GridCube> for every other stream?
[17:51] <xubuntu505w> the sound dissapears and i go to pavucontrol and discover that it switched port again...
[17:51] <GridCube> each has their own setting, the popup should not touch other streams
[17:53] <xubuntu505w> i can try playing music from other source and see what happens
[17:54] <xubuntu505w> ok playin now and waiting for the pop up to do its thing will let u know when it happens
[17:56] <xubuntu505w> yup did the same and to music player
[17:56] <xubuntu505w> pop up appears
[17:56] <xubuntu505w> sound dissapears
[17:56] <xubuntu505w> pavucontrol shows changed port
[18:00] <xubuntu505w> when i dont change port back
[18:00] <xubuntu505w> the pop up also appears regulary
[18:01] <xubuntu505w> but then it dosent change the port (since it is already set to his desired value and there is no sound already) but it causes short burst of static from the speakers
[18:01] <xubuntu505w> so i need to stop whatever program it is to send that command regulary
[18:02] <xubuntu505w> but dunno how to locate the source
[18:06] <GridCube> sorry i dont know xubuntu505w
[18:07] <holstein> xubuntu505w: get a screen shot of whatever popup that is..
[18:07] <holstein> !paste
[18:08] <holstein> i can think of several ways to deal with that.. one being, to disable the other outputs that are not working, anyway
[18:10] <xubuntu505w> it is nothing special that pop up, it is just a speaker icon with the red x and the volume bar, so i guess its letting me know that it did exactly what it did - switched off my sound
[18:10] <holstein> xubuntu505w: where is the screenshot? i need to see it, to know *exactly* what yo are seeing, and what is happening
[18:11] <xubuntu505w> dont understand what you mean by disabling the other outputs that r not working?
[18:11] <xubuntu505w> ok i need to wait for it to appears again and cathch it
[18:11] <xubuntu505w> it only lasts for less than a second and appears randomly
[18:11] <holstein> and, it didnt "switch it off"? correct? it switched the output to another device, correct?one is is not working?
[18:11] <xubuntu505w> it switches the port, yes
[18:12] <holstein> i would be looking at ppa packages, if i have any ppa's added
[18:12] <holstein> i would be looking at just simply disabling other audio devices..
[18:13] <holstein> if have have 3 devices, and im only using one, and never going to use the other ones, then, disabling the other ones wont hurt anything.. and may help, since, it seems, you have accidentally set a preference somewhere, that gives something control of your audio settings
[18:13] <holstein> something such as skype.. i know skype does that. or some other application, maybe from PPA..
[18:13] <xubuntu505w> dont have ppa's added
[18:13] <xubuntu505w> dont have skype either
[18:14] <holstein> xubuntu505w: sure. thats why i said "something like skype". in which, the appliation is setting the control, or "port" as you said
[18:14] <holstein> if sound is working, and able to work, then, its not broken. it'l just be a matter of seeing what exactly is poping up, and why, and disabling that "feature"..
[18:14] <xubuntu505w> ill post the imgur link of the SS in a sec
[18:15] <xubuntu505w> is there a log that i could tail to see what it says when the pop-up pops up
[18:16] <holstein> maybe /var/log/syslog
[18:17] <xubuntu505w_> sorry opera crashed
[18:17] <holstein> maybe /var/log/syslog
[18:17] <xubuntu505w_> having trouble pasting the link
[18:17] <xubuntu505w_> just a sec
[18:17] <xubuntu505w_> ill tail this log
[18:18] <holstein> xubuntu505w: opera is a PPA, btw
[18:18] <holstein> not that im saying that is causing the issue, just that, you *do* have 3rd party sources, even though, you think you dont..
[18:18] <xubuntu505w_> indeed i forgot that :D
[18:18] <xubuntu505w_> when i get to think about it there could be some other ppa's
[18:18] <xubuntu505w_> but nothing sound related
[18:19] <xubuntu505w_> or at least nothing that should affect sound
[18:19] <holstein> xubuntu505w: it *can* be, that *any* large 3rd party unsupported source is causing something to popup like that
[18:19] <holstein> it could be, opera is.. for example..
[18:20] <xubuntu505w_> http://imgur.com/mVBy2Ml
[18:21] <holstein> xubuntu505w_: thats the notify system..
[18:21] <holstein> thats what i see when i mute..
[18:22] <holstein> xubuntu505w: thats the notify system..
[18:22] <xubuntu505w> i know but the problem is it pops randomly and when it does the switch of ports happens
[18:22] <holstein> xubuntu505w: you are assuming "it" is doing the switching
[18:23] <holstein> the notify is just notifying you the device is muted.. could be *anything* in the background doing that..
[18:23] <xubuntu505w> nope
[18:23] <holstein> xubuntu505w: ok. you can also try the main #ubuntu channel.. cheers and good luck
[18:23] <xubuntu505w> ty will try
[18:49] <m3n3chm0> hi, since yesterday i'm getting this error
[18:49] <m3n3chm0> W: Error de GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su clave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY FE42EEC4F62476D8
[18:49] <holstein> m3n3chm0: i would check with the 3rd party unsupported source, and see that you have the key that it needs to not give you that message anymore
[18:50] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/13065/how-do-i-fix-the-gpg-error-no-pubkey for examle.. probably as easy as "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys FE42EEC4F62476D8" in a terminal, m3n3chm0
[18:50] <m3n3chm0> holstein i've already tried to import all missing GPG keys
[18:51] <m3n3chm0> also from YPPA manager from advance menu.. but i'm getting the same erros
[18:51] <holstein> m3n3chm0: you can share the errors along with the commands you are trying..
[18:51] <m3n3chm0> holstein OK let me check that link, thanks ¡¡
[18:51] <holstein> otherwise the ppa may be "dead".. or broken.. you'd have to ask for support from the ppa maintainer
[18:53] <m3n3chm0> strange, i'm sure they are not dead
[18:53] <holstein> m3n3chm0: you can always purge, and re-add..
[18:53] <m3n3chm0> ok i'll try
[18:53] <m3n3chm0> thanks
[19:08] <m3n3chm0> holstein solution here
[19:08] <m3n3chm0> http://askubuntu.com/questions/511736/cannot-solve-gpg-error/522747#522747
[19:08] <m3n3chm0> emptying /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
[19:09] <m3n3chm0> it seems there were too many stores stored...
[20:47] <comala> Hi! I'm having some problems with my graphic card driver. When I go to Additional Drivers, in settings, the option selected is Continue using manually installed driver. The thing is, I haven't installed a driver manually. I was trying to change from fglrx to fglrx-updates, but it wasn't working. Then, out of nowhere, this fourth option shows and I can't switch back to the others. Can anyone help me with this? I'm really noob in linu
[22:45] <Travis_> Hello?
[22:46] <Travis_> I need help with installing XUbuntu on my laptop


[00:15] <gamerchick02> OMG yes
[00:16] <gamerchick02> same with IM sometimes too
[00:28] <mrgoodcat> what did i say that was false?
[00:28] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: nothing, just responding to GC02_phone "True."
[00:28] <rick_h_> it looked like a Python True all nice and caps
[00:28] <gamerchick02> hah. my phone auto-capitalizes.
[01:11] <jrwren> my favorite things about hadoop: http://aadrake.com/command-line-tools-can-be-235x-faster-than-your-hadoop-cluster.html?utm_content=buffer9f6be&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[01:11] <jrwren> oh gamerchick left :(
[01:11] <jrwren> that was mostly for her.
[01:20] <jrwren> it is weird to have all these variants have a beta1 out, but regular Ubuntu does not. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/02/27/vivid-vervet-beta-1-released/
[02:09] <cmaloney> Evening
[13:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/03/pebble-time-steel-and-smartstraps/
[13:13] <cmaloney> Very cool
[16:47] <greg-g> there's this big white thing in my drive way reflecting the sun into my eyes
[16:47] <greg-g> oh right, it's the RV
[16:47] <rick_h_> woot
[16:48] <greg-g> I get to go stand in line today at the DMV :)
[16:49] <rick_h_> woot
[16:49] <rick_h_> what did you get?
[16:51] <cmaloney> Something requiring him to go to the DMV, obviously. :)
[16:51] <greg-g> a 1983 Lindy 20'
[16:51] <cmaloney> Can't be an airstream. I don't think they make white. :)
[16:52] <cmaloney> greg-g: A Lindy?  Does it take leaded gas?
[16:54] <cmaloney> brousch: at this rate I think it'll get .5 miles per gallon
[16:54] <_stink_> straight crude oil
[16:54] <greg-g> heh
[16:54] <greg-g> it's a 5.7L Chevy, gets about 9ish mpg
[16:55] <greg-g> bbiab, team weekly time
[16:55] <cmaloney> Well, on the plus side if you travel anywhere remote they'll still know how to work on it
[16:55] <cmaloney> assuming the mechanic didn't pass away days before.
[18:25] <cmaloney> This is why I <3 Ting: https://ting.com/blog/why-isnt-ting-picking-up-right-away-when-i-call/
[18:27] <derekv_> i need some sort of set of libraries to get strated with for clientside js
[18:27] <cmaloney> stratocaster.js?
[18:28] <derekv_> that's not even a google result
[18:29] <cmaloney> see your request. :)
[18:29] <cmaloney> get strated = stratocaster.
[18:29]  * derekv_ sighs
[18:29] <cmaloney> ;)
[18:30] <cmaloney> I'm not aware of what's the new hotness
[18:30] <cmaloney> or if YUI is still "a thing"
[18:31] <derekv_> before even that
[18:32] <derekv_> i'm trying to figure out bower, require.js, project structure, workflow
[18:32] <derekv_> like what applies and what doesn't
[18:32] <derekv_> the node.js stuff has really complicated things .  now when I read something, i'm not even sure if i'm looking at node or browser, or if it matters or not
[18:33] <rick_h_> derekv_: lol welcome to the party
[18:34] <rick_h_> derekv_: you're supposed to be using https://code.google.com/p/traceur-compiler/ to transpile your ECMA6 code to valid JS while using the new module system and new classes
[18:35] <rick_h_> derekv_: as for libraries, everyone is into angular (except it's a dead end roadmap and everyone's mad at them), or react (ftw but only for UI bits, not a full library), or just going to the new YUI big tool ember.js
[18:39]  * brousch cries
[18:41] <_stink_> thank you for the new word rick_h_
[18:41] <_stink_> 'transpile'
[18:41] <_stink_> that does evoke some strange mental pictures
[18:41] <derekv_> that's an actual thing
[18:42] <derekv_> although i think it involves some misinterpretation of the meaning of "compile"... it's all just compilation
[18:42] <derekv_> translating from one format or language to another is compilation, technically
[18:43] <derekv_> man, screw all this, i'm going to invent my own language and tools.
[18:44] <derekv_> because, there's too much stuff out there, it's confusing, and I don't want to deal with it.
[18:45] <brousch> http://xkcd.com/927/
[18:50] <cmaloney> derekv_: Fantom. ;)
[18:50] <jrwren> traceur? is that like 6to5?
[18:51] <derekv_> all i need is a simple scheme dialect supporting dependent types and macros
[18:51] <derekv_> i'll target llvm, so from there i can do whatever
[18:51] <derekv_> this can work, i just need to write and IDE first
[18:52] <jrwren> use brackets?
[18:52] <derekv_> I don't like the keyboard bindings in OSX so I'm going to create my own OS on top of mach
[18:52] <jrwren> Aurelia > angular or react :p
[18:53] <jrwren> derekv_: o-O? does debian still have a Hurd version?  that can be your OS on Mach
[18:54] <derekv_> jrwren: my philsosphy differs slightly from that RMS so I will not use anything from FSF thanks
[18:54] <jrwren> derekv_: you don't use linux?
[18:54] <derekv_> i'm not being sarcastic about anything here at all
[18:55] <jrwren> use smileys ffs!
[18:55] <_stink_> haha
[18:57] <derekv_> everything I tell you is true and serious business
[18:58] <derekv_> and I use plan9
[18:58] <cmaloney> I thought we all were using Plan 9?
[18:59] <jrwren> the plan9 C compiler is superior.
[18:59] <jrwren> gcc is inferior
[18:59] <cmaloney> I think that's a whole year's worth of Reddit posts: Why GCC is inferior
[18:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: really? what sub?
[18:59] <cmaloney> cprogrammingcirclejerk
[19:00] <cmaloney> (note: not sure if that exists)
[19:00] <jrwren> oh! i'm not on a C++ sub. tahnks for the suggesetion.
[19:00] <cmaloney> http://www.reddit.com/r/cprogramming
[19:00] <cmaloney> This one does exist
[19:01] <jrwren> also, use ACME for everything. it is the best editor ever.
[19:01] <cmaloney> Now I know you're trolling
[19:03] <jrwren> /r/cplusplus
[19:07] <cmaloney> https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/
[19:59] <jrwren> holy expensive keyboards! http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/code-keyboard.html
[20:04] <derekv_> i'm still groaning waiting on kinesis to release their new design to beta so i can see a photo
[20:04] <derekv_> that last sentance came out weird.
[20:12] <derekv_> i told the dude if he made a true split version of the contour he could name his price
[20:13] <derekv_> if they take much longer of if it doesn't have true split, maybe i'll just find someone to build me one of these http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/katy-keyboard-or-k80cs-key80-contoured-split-t8524.html
[20:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, like 6 to 5 with some helpers to make everything work out
[20:28] <jrwren> rick_h_: sweet! great to know.
[20:29] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, for the gui I want us to start doing native es6 JS but with the required extra compile steps it makes me :(
[20:29] <rick_h_> turning JS into a compiled language fml
[20:30] <jrwren> rick_h_: just don't support non-es6 browsers :)
[20:30] <cmaloney> jrwren: Says the person who used to develop on Microsoft. ;)
[20:31] <rick_h_> hey, IE10 has a super browser now
[20:31] <rick_h_> maybe finally with full svg support, we can hope at least
[20:31] <rick_h_> sorry, windows 10
[20:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: microsoft is sitll the best. I'll trade everything I work on now for C# and VisualStudio, as long as I get to work with teh same people on the same stuff :p
[20:33] <cmaloney> jrwren: Please report for your complimentary tar and bag of feathers
[20:34] <jrwren> cmaloney: hahahaha. if only mono had any support on server side linux, it might be really nice.
[20:35] <cmaloney> Here's hoping Microsoft++ is more Jonathan Schwartz and less Steve Ballmer / Scott McNealy
[21:05] <derekv_> after a day of beating myself senseless with different js tools libraries frameworks etc, the text here falls just falls really flat
[21:05] <derekv_> https://www.meteor.com/about
[21:06] <rick_h_> hah, meteor, still around?
[21:09] <derekv_> couldn't tell you
[21:09] <derekv_> reads like a pyramid scheme marketing pitch for developers
[21:09] <rick_h_> lol
[21:10] <derekv_> your life used to be hard and boring and going nowhere? dissantified?  that's all changed! join us! work 2 hours a week and drive a bentley! we understand you!
[21:11] <derekv_> sorry its not that bad =]  just had a fun day getting reacclimated
[21:13] <jrwren> meteor is definitely still around and kicking
[21:14] <derekv_> jrwren: to answer your earlier question, I use multiple OS's including linux, including ubuntu... OSX is my main computing platform for a workstation for a little while, I'm itching to build a new workstation for home and will probably run some linux variant on it
[21:17] <jrwren> derekv_: i was asking because nearly all linux distros use gnu coreutils, hence your nothing FSF troll that I didn't catch.
[21:17] <jrwren> hrm, hence is the wrong word there. What is the inverstion of hence?
[21:19] <derekv_> i was being very sarcastic earlier with that whole thing. it was sortof a continuation of a conversation at chc last week
[21:19] <derekv_> I was talking about how I was having to deal with this system written by a guy who had to reinvent everything
[21:20] <derekv_> it seems the whole JS community has a little* bit of that going on
[21:20] <rick_h_> yea, lots of that
[21:21] <derekv_> *not little
[21:21] <jrwren> doesn't JS have to reinvent it because it doesn't exist in JS yet?
[21:21] <jrwren> or do you mean framework of the month?
[21:22] <derekv_> yea, or like, grunt vs gulp, or whatever
[21:22] <jrwren> ugh
[21:22] <jrwren> grunt, glulp, bower, i don't ge tit.
[21:22] <rick_h_> JS has to reinvent everything because it doesn't have it, and then it doesn't work the way everyone wants, and it's easier to rewrite than to patch
[21:22] <jrwren> and why don't you just use make?
[21:23] <rick_h_> because it's not written in JS
[21:23] <jrwren> i'd rather write C++ and deal with autotools.
[21:26] <derekv_> heh, I did a little c programming the other day, did a hw my brother was working on.  i remember how to program c pretty well
[21:26] <derekv_> what i forgot is that in c, you get nothing
[21:26] <derekv_> I wanted to split a string
[21:26] <derekv_> the only thing you get is like strtkn or something, and its terrible
[21:28] <derekv_> c++ is a little better if you pull in boost etc... which then led me to spending three hours getting boost to work on osx, something that sounds like it should be easy if not already built in
[21:28] <jrwren> brew install boost.
[21:28] <jrwren> done.
[21:28] <jrwren> dunno wtf U were doing.
[21:29] <derekv_> i don't remember the details... i certainly knew about brew at that time so I'm guessing that didnt' work.
[22:21] <cmaloney> B00st