[00:18] <shtylman> Riddell: I have changed over to KIcon
[00:30] <vorian> neversfelde: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[00:30] <neversfelde> vorian: thanks and I love kubuntu :)
[00:30] <vorian> :)
[00:34] <Riddell> shtylman: lovely
[00:44] <neversfelde> nhandler: so you consider to do a build in ppa for new upstream releases and mention it in the bug report?
[00:44] <ryanakca> Does anybody know who the sysadmins in charge of the wiki are?
[00:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: Ng?  I'm not sure
[00:44] <vorian> isn't it newz2000?
[00:45] <Riddell> he's not a sysadmin
[00:45] <vorian> hm
[00:45] <ryanakca> vorian: Don't think so, he had to bug the sysadmins for a... period of time... to get a small HTML fix (get rid of the obsolete tabs in the current wiki theme) in...
[00:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks, I'll try poking him
[00:46] <nhandler> neversfelde: I asked for the PPA build simply because I don't have a pbuilder chroot available right now. But it never hurts to mention in the bug report that it builds in a PPA and provide a link
[00:54] <_neversfelde> ahh
[00:54] <_neversfelde> my isp, re
[00:56] <shtylman> whats the best way to test a new plasma widget without a system wide install of the widget? can I run the plasmoid viewer locally or specify a search path?
[00:58] <neversfelde> nhandler: thanks, I will incroporate your info in the future, thanks a lot
[00:59] <shtylman> Riddell: GTK fronend parity? would that be the next best step?
[00:59] <Riddell> shtylman: possibly plugins can be installed to any directory in  kde4-config --path lib
[00:59] <Riddell> shtylman: load up the gtk frontend and see what's different
[01:01] <shtylman> Riddell: are we trying to look the same or just provide the same features?
[01:02] <Riddell> shtylman: same features
[01:03] <Riddell> well, look much the same too, within the normal gnome/kde style differences
[01:03] <Riddell> shtylman: I believe the timezone map has changed in the gnome one, that's probably quite hard to do though
[01:03] <Riddell> shtylman: the language selection page might have changed too
[01:05] <shtylman> Riddell: ok, I will take a look at the differences and compare/contrast then we can look at what we wanna and can realistically pull I suppose
[01:06] <Riddell> shtylman: excellent :)
[01:07] <Riddell> shtylman: self.userinterface.setWindowIcon(KIcon("ubiquity.png"))  no final .png needed?
[01:07] <Riddell> shtylman: you kept the  #os.setegid(1000)  commented out?
[01:10] <txwikinger> Good morning Riddell... still up?
[01:13] <Riddell> txwikinger: briefly
[01:13] <txwikinger> :D
[01:23] <shtylman> Riddell: thanks for the .png catch and I took out the os.setegid and changed it to drop_privileges from the ubiquity library, hopefully that fix won't mess with the rest of the installer
[01:38] <shtylman> who do I talk to about the default keyboard shortcuts for kwin? is that a kubuntu thing or a kde thing?
[01:38] <seele> kde
[01:38] <seele> we dont change the defaults
[01:38] <shtylman> k, thanks
[02:15] <vorian> ScottK: art thou about?
[02:15] <ScottK> Just returned.
[02:16] <vorian> care to look at a small rebuild? (of a large package)
[02:16] <ScottK> vorian: Which and why?
[02:17] <vorian> we have a new soprano, kdebase-runtime should be rebuilt
[02:18] <vorian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redland/+bug/317271
[02:18] <ScottK> Did the ABI change?
[02:18] <ScottK> Is the rebuilding the bug fix or was the soprano upload the bug fix?
[02:18] <vorian> nevermind, the soprano did
[02:18] <vorian> sorry for the ping
[02:19] <ScottK> No problem.
[02:22] <ScottK> Anyone fixing the kdeedu FTBFS?
[02:22] <vorian> i can looks at it
[02:22] <ScottK> OK.  Looks easy enough to deal with.
[02:23]  * ScottK is feeling poorly tonight.
[02:23] <vorian> :/
[02:24] <vorian> ScottK: yeah, should be easy enough
[03:48] <vorian> Python: KDE Python support <http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python>
[03:48] <vorian> Needed for Python bindings to the marble widget.
[03:48] <vorian> would this be anything other thank python-kde-dev?
[04:36] <ScottK> That's the KDE3 one, isn't it?
[05:50] <a|wen> Riddell: FYI, kdeedu failed to build with the marble changes you introduced, dh_install can't find debian/tmp//usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/marble.so
[05:50] <ScottK> a|wen: vorian was looking at a fix.
[05:50] <a|wen> perfect :)
[05:50] <ScottK> I didn't hear from him if he got done.
[05:51] <a|wen> a man on the job, is a good start though
[05:55] <ScottK> a|wen: So it looks like we'll have a complete KDE stack on Power PC soon too.
[05:55] <a|wen> it starts looking really good with the ports
[05:56] <ScottK> The sparc and ia64 kernels got fixed today, so they're next.
[05:56] <a|wen> maybe I should considers installing jaunty/lpia on my eee (intel atom) soon
[05:57] <ScottK> a|wen: What do you have on there now?
[05:58] <ScottK> rgreening was saying the same about his acer.  Perhaps you two could collaborate on some how-to.
[05:58] <a|wen> it's my stock-intrepid, with 4.1.4 though ... so i'll at least wait till 4.1.4 is out of proposed
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.
[05:58] <ScottK> Did we already discuss do you have a USB printer?
[06:01] <ScottK> Any idea what mips64 is in?  I saw a reference to bootstrapping mips64 on #ubuntu-devel earlier today.
[06:02] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like plasma-widget-quickaccess ended up in Universe on amd64, but not on i386 ....
[06:06] <a|wen> ScottK: no printer closer than 3,5K miles :/ ... but yeah, we need to find a tester
[06:07] <ScottK> I just remembered I have a broken usb printer.  It won't print, but I wonder if it would still get reconized ....
[06:09] <ScottK> And I could even find it ....
[06:09]  * ScottK tests.
[06:12] <a|wen> :)
[06:27] <ScottK> I think it's a no test.  It found the printer, but didn't pop-up, which is bad, but it appears to be a obscure model we don't have a ppd for, so I suspect the lack of pop-up is appropriate.
[06:31] <a|wen> it needs some kind of ppd to auto-detect afaik
[06:35] <ScottK> I deleted it and tried to add it manually and there was no ppd for the model in question when I looked.
[06:44] <ScottK> vorian: The build-dep you were looking for was python-kde4-dev.  You might want to look into indi too.  It didn't seem to find that.
[06:48] <jussi01> Hrm, getting an Error on boot in jaunty, still loads, but is this a bug? "ata6: SRST failed: err no 16"
[06:50] <ScottK> Does Mr. Google have anything to say about it?
[06:51] <jussi01> a little, trying to make sense of it, so asking also ;) - most of the stuff here is ancient though
[06:52] <ScottK> I suspect it is a bug, but I've no idea if it's enough of one to care.
[06:53] <jussi01> looks like it might be just a module blacklist needed
[06:54] <jussi01> yeah, this seems to be the same issue: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/printthread.php?t=169283
[07:14] <shtylman> Riddell: I did some more work on the ubiquity installer (took screencaps of the gtk one and the kde one to compare...will post those at some point) I pushed to launchpad although it is still a work in progress I changed the timezone map to the one the gtk guys use and you can click timezone, also changed the advance dialog field for the grub location to a combo box again as the gnome guys have it
[07:16] <ScottK> jussi01: Yeah, if you've got that controller it sounds like.
[07:16] <ScottK> Personally I think if you have to manually blacklist something there is a bug, but I'm not sure on exactly what.
[08:21] <Sput> Riddell: ever tried the latest quassel package witih qt 4.5?
[08:24] <jussi01> speaking of which, do we have a qt 4.5 package somewhere?
[08:24]  * jussi01 waves at Sput
[08:38] <Lure> jussi01: rgreening had some in his PPA, but not sure about the quality
[08:39] <jussi01> Lure: ahh, thanks, Ill ask him about it when he is around :)
[08:40] <Lure> jussi01: I tried it the same day he created it, but there was this kdm regression, so I switched back and did not try afterwards
[08:46] <jussi01> Lure: if  you put your nickserv pass as the server password in quassel, itll identify before you hit the channels ;)
[08:48] <Lure> jussi01: under ServerInfo? will try that...
[08:48] <jussi01> Lure: yep
[08:52] <Lure> jussi01: seems to work! so then I do not need Auto Identify at all?
[08:53] <jussi01> ;)
[08:53] <Lure> jussi01: thanks
[08:53]  * Lure does another try w/o auto identify...
[09:23]  * Sput waves at jussi01
[09:24] <jussi01> heya Sput
[09:35] <Riddell> Sput: no I've not tried qt 4.5 recently
[09:37] <Sput> Riddell: ah ok... if you have a chance, please let me know. we have changed something that we believe could make it work, but I have no way to test currently
[09:59] <Riddell> do we have a recent quassel?
[10:02] <Riddell> 0.4.0~git090211 seems recent
[10:02] <Sput> yeah, that should have the 4.5 fix
[10:03] <Sput> the *supposed* fix
[10:08] <Riddell> kdeedu is getting far too big
[10:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: MoDaX was already complaining to tackat about that
[10:09] <Nightrose> afair he promised to split some stuff
[10:09] <Nightrose> but no idea if and when he'll do that
[10:17] <Riddell-quassel> Sput: seems to be working
[10:17] <Sput> \o/
[10:17] <Sput> that's very good news
[10:17] <Sput> thank god EgS remembered that TTlabs blog entry
[10:18] <Riddell-quassel> ooh, it's got a toolbar
[10:18] <Sput> thanks for testing that out :)
[10:53]  * EgS feels highlighted
[10:54] <EgS> oh that's great news!
[10:54] <jussi01> Riddell-quassel: is that rgreening 4.5 package ok?  reasonably usable?
[11:03] <Riddell> jussi01: seems to be
[11:04] <jussi01> might give it a go then :)
[11:34] <Sput> jussi01: and tell me if that quassel package works for you too then!
[12:06] <Tonio_> hi there :)
[12:07] <ghostcube> hi
[13:22] <seele> Sput: ping
[13:24] <seele> ScottK-desktop: is 0211 the latest quassel in your ppa?
[13:34] <Sput> seele: pong
[13:37] <seele> Sput: i'm wondering if i have an older quassel so it might not matter
[13:37] <Sput> seele: well, what's the issue?
[13:38] <seele> Sput: were you guys still working on getting a channel selected in the list by default?
[13:38] <Sput> (2/11 should be the latest PPA build afaik)
[13:38] <Sput> seele: yes
[13:38] <Sput> that is still on the list
[13:38] <seele> also, i saw people talking about grabbing the username too instead of just quassel
[13:38] <seele> ok
[13:38] <Sput> that is already done
[13:38] <Sput> but does not work on some kubuntu systems, bugfix pending :)
[13:38] <seele> also, what about opening the network dialog on first start so the user can configure/connect immediately?
[13:38] <seele> hah figures
[13:39] <Sput> well, I am thinking about this - there already is a network configured by default, so I don't see that making sense too much
[13:39] <Sput> and for connecting there now is a shiny toolbar button saying "Connect"
[13:40] <Sput> or would it make sense to pop up the dialog in any case, so users have an urge to double-check the defaults work for them?
[13:41] <seele> Sput: i'm just thinking about the first time connecting ever, not subsequent use..
[13:41] <Sput> yes
[13:41] <Sput> seele: so you'd think even with a default network and channel pre-defined, it'd make sense to open the network dialog on first run?
[13:42]  * Sput is not opposed, just undecided :)
[13:42] <seele> Sput: it will only make connecting easier i think
[13:42] <Sput> true that
[13:42] <seele> after the user has connected once, it might not be necessary
[13:42] <Sput> if something pops into the user's face
[13:42] <Sput> after that, quassel will auto-reconnect anyway :)
[13:42] <seele> especially since the user might not be a keen on irc, remember we use irc as a support mechanism
[13:43] <Sput> actually we could make quassel automatically connect on first run too, but I think that would be too drastic
[13:43] <Sput> users might not like going online without clicking, especially if they don't know the program
[13:43] <seele> yes, i think regular irc users wouldnt appreciate that
[13:44] <seele> so maybe still use the Configure Networks dialog, but instead of Ok and Cancel, we have Connect and Close
[13:44] <seele> (or Close and Connect.. hmm)
[13:45] <Sput> hmm, I think OK and Cancel are important for HIG though
[13:45] <Sput> but we can add a nice shiny extra button somewhere
[13:45] <Sput> we used to have that "Connect Now" button, the code is still there even
[13:47] <seele> OK Cancel are for the configuration dialog, but if you use it as a connect now dialog, the buttons will be different
[13:48] <seele> it doesnt make sense that OK would connect. you would want a button that says Connect. at the same time, you wouldnt need an OK button in that case, because what does OK do?
[13:48] <seele> so it's almost the same dialog, but not. specifically it is a connection dialog instead of a config dialol
[13:48] <seele> that is, if you want to do it that way
[13:48] <Sput> hmmmm... within the settings dialog, a connect now button would keep the dialog open and connect in the background
[13:49] <seele> why would it keep it open? maybe i dont understand how the dialog works
[13:49] <Sput> (which leads to another host of problems, such as that the settings first need to be applied before connecting, so we disabled that functionality for now)
[13:49] <seele> i just thought you could use the same dialog design so you dont have to replicate too much code
[13:49] <Sput> if used stand-alone, it could be quite elegant to do it like this
[13:49] <Sput> yes
[13:49] <Sput> I like that idea
[13:49] <Sput> take the UI, put it in a standalone container, use a Connect button rather than OK, apply + connect automatically
[13:50] <Sput> plus a neat little checkbox "[ ] Don't show again"
[13:50] <seele> sounds like you got it :)
[13:50] <Sput> k
[13:50]  * Sput updates tracking bug
[13:52] <Sput> seele: thx for that inspiration, I kept thinking about how to do that elegantly for a while now :)
[13:52] <seele> i'm here to help :)
[14:39] <Lure> Riddell: one MIR looks ok (bug 325858), not sure what In progress means (and who does something now)
[14:39] <Lure> opencv one need more work (I need to backport some warning fixes from SVN)
[14:45] <a|wen> Riddell: our arts-removal is almost done: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts ... but we have some binary package removals left; is that something you can handle
[14:47] <Riddell> a|wen: can do if there's a list
[14:47] <Riddell> Lure: I can promote to main if you need me to
[14:48] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if this is what "In progress status
[14:48] <Lure> means
[14:49] <Riddell> Lure: I think asac is just waiting for a final ack from kees
[14:49] <a|wen> Riddell: all the packages on that wiki-page marked with "needs binary package removal" ... or in short all on that page ending in -arts
[14:49] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[14:50]  * Lure has added digikam to Todo list to make status transparent
[14:51] <Lure> is there any progress on k3b front? do we have it in some ppa to play with?
[14:51]  * Lure notices that k3b is not on the Todo list
[14:52] <Riddell> tonio has a version in his PPA, it didn't burn DVDs for me
[14:53]  * Lure checks if something new was committed in SVN
[15:04] <ScottK> It's in rgreening's PPA.
[15:04]  * ScottK no notices that was 6 hours ago.
[15:04] <ScottK> no/now.
[15:20] <shtylman_> Riddell: I am working on the timezone map of the installer. Besides looking at the JauntyUbiquityUsabiliy page, are there other things I should think about?
[15:24] <Riddell> shtylman_: ask evand, he's the guy doing the gtk side
[15:25] <shtylman_> Riddell: k, thanks
[17:59] <seele> Nightrose: i'm using neon but i dont know how to start amarok2, the menu item is linked to 1. any ideas?
[18:00] <Nightrose> seele: it should have its own menu entry
[18:01] <Nightrose> it should be called amarok nightly
[18:01] <seele> ah hah i see now
[18:01] <seele> duh
[18:34] <Riddell> http://www.osattack.com/windows-7/kubuntu-could-make-it-big-if-they-spin-it-right/  "KDE is simple and just needs that media attention to bring it into customers hands."  goodness
[18:35] <Riddell> Nightrose: how come amarok doesn't use nepomuk for its rankings?
[18:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: iirc nepomuk wasn't ready yet to be used as a collection
[18:39]  * Riddell fixes plasma-widget-quickaccess override to main
[18:50] <rgreening> Tonio_: ping
[19:00] <colomar> hi
[19:03] <Sime> Riddell: you got the python bindings in kde-edu compiled?
[19:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I got sbeatie assigned an action to try and verify the 4.1.4 printer fix at the release team meeting.
[19:18] <seele> colomar: rgreening has been working on kpackage kit. i believe he added an extra tab to search by applications instead of packages
[19:18] <seele> not sure what he's working on next though
[19:18] <seele> hopefully the search ui :)
[19:19] <rgreening> seele: that patch is still in dev
[19:19] <rgreening> I have the basics worked out. the part I am stuck on is how to use the app-install-data desktop files to generate the list instead of listing all packages.
[19:20] <rgreening> that's my current priority seele
[19:20] <colomar> rgreening: Thanks for working on that. Do you think it may be possible to get kpackagekit ready for users in time for jaunty?
[19:20] <ScottK> We kind of have to.
[19:21] <rgreening> If someone can assist me I can provide the current patch to look at
[19:21] <rgreening> what I need is help in the app-install-data bit
[19:22] <rgreening> Does gnome have this bit working in their packagekit yet?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> I believe that Adept scans the app-install-data directory for the .desktop files, and sorts them by the categories inside them
[19:25] <ScottK> I haven't looked at the code, but based on having tried Adept, I'm sure however it's done there is the slowest way possible.
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the UI does hang for a bit in Adept
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> mm, but Adept uses xapian extensively to do its thing...
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, it uses it for updating the model while searching
[19:44] <Riddell> Sime: yes, they're in jaunty
[19:44] <Riddell> Sime: I can put an intrepid package in my PPA if that's useful
[19:44] <Sime> Riddell: cool, no ppa for intrepid?
[19:45] <Sime> oh, I mean, yes please.
[19:49] <a|wen> do we want a new upstream release of kde4-style-qtcurve packed for jaunty?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I think somebody has a package prepared, but we want the soure package to be changed to kde-style
[19:51] <a|wen> and the old kde-style-qtcurve shuffled out, i suppose... that makes sense
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> bug 323848
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, it definitely should be kde-style
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: have you pinged the qtcurve updater back yet?
[19:53] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i can
[19:54] <ScottK> There's a draft Debian document on naming we ought to follow.
[19:54] <ScottK> I don't remember exactly what it says on these.
[19:55] <Sime> Riddell: packages for intrepid will be useful when I blog sometime about marble/python.
[20:07] <Riddell> Sime: I uploaded to my ~jr PPA (which also needs people to use ~kubuntu-experimental), should appear in an hour or so all being well
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: were you going to push the flash prompt patch to kdelibs or should I?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking the full-blown wizard will have to wait for jaunty+1
[21:01] <ScottK> Riddell: So looks like 4.1.4 is fully verified now.  Now we just need someone to copy it over ....
[21:05] <Lure> ScottK: I think we both know one guy that could do that, right? ;-)
[21:06] <ScottK> Well he has the power.  Dunno if he has the authority.
[21:06] <ScottK> It can wait until Monday for pitti to do it.
[21:07] <ghostcube> can packages only be pushed if ubuntu people confirm this ?
[21:07] <ghostcube> only for info :)
[21:08] <ScottK> For released versions like Intrepid there is a strict verification process.
[21:08] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[21:08] <ScottK> The process and the people who do it are the same regardless of which *buntu we are discussing.
[21:09] <ghostcube> aha so only a QA team
[21:09] <ScottK> Basically.
[21:09] <ghostcube> ok :) thx
[21:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if you have time, push it
[21:18] <Lure> Riddell: kees approved bug 325858
[21:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you have the latest?
[21:18] <ScottK> Lure: So it just needs to be seeded?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I think so, but it'd probably be best for you to send me the latest just in case
[21:19] <Lure> ScottK: yep - digikam rc2 (due on Sunday) will depend on it
[21:19] <Lure> ScottK: I will prepare the package on Sunday
[21:19] <ScottK> OK.  Let me look....
[21:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you got the one I emailed with the .kdesu extransion correct?
[21:20]  * JontheEchidna checks for kdesu
[21:20] <Lure> ScottK:  if you want, you can add liblensfun-dev Build-Depends now and it will get built in
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: my copy doesn't have kdesu
[21:20] <ScottK> Lure: Currently we have digikam seeded on the DVD, but not the CD.
[21:21] <rgreening> Ok, I have to send oyu the latest
[21:21] <ScottK> Lure: I'll add liblensfun-dev to supported then.
[21:21] <rgreening> actually, let me file a bug and submit the stuff to the bug
[21:21] <Lure> ScottK: yep, space issue (as it pulls in 25MB of marble)
[21:21] <ScottK> Ahhh, all that is depends or some is build-dep?
[21:22] <Lure> ScottK: will not just adding it to digikam's build-dep pull it in?
[21:22] <ScottK> Because if it's depends it'll have to fit on the dvd.
[21:22] <ScottK> Lure: It would.
[21:22] <ScottK> Actually we can just wait.
[21:22] <ScottK> Good point.
[21:22] <Lure> ScottK: yep, no urgency - I just wanted to get lensfun/opencv pass MIR before FF
[21:24] <Lure> ScottK: so if I add build-dep, will this auto-pull it in or does somebody (archive-admin?) need to still approve it?
[21:24]  * Lure does not recall anymore how seeds work...
[21:24] <ScottK> It still needs to get moved.  Riddell can do that.
[21:24] <Lure> ScottK: ok, I will need Riddell (or core-dev) for upload anyhow ;-)
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: oh btw, the patch probably can't close that one bug
[21:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: this was bug 203967
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> because it mentioned youtube and cnn
[21:25] <rgreening> ah
[21:25]  * Lure goes back to hacking kipi-plugins i18n strings before tommorows rc2/i18n freeze ;-)
[21:25] <rgreening> but is that a problem with cnn and youtube and how they detect or an issue with kdelibs?
[21:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I can open a new bug
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: you should probably just commit to bzr yourself :P
[21:27] <rgreening> do I haz rites d00d
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> as long as you are a member of kubuntu-members
[21:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, I'll have a look at that too then
[21:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: but I should still open a bug rite
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> as long as you commit it to bzr you won't need to put up a debdiff in a bug
[21:28] <rgreening> ah
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> nah
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> a core-dev will check out bzr and upload it from there
[21:28] <rgreening> so, how do I get someone to pop out a new rev then
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ping a core-dev such as Riddell or ScottK
[21:29] <rgreening> ok. I'll make sure the patch applies/builds here and commit and ping.
[21:29] <ScottK> We can haz dvcs because we're all modern and stuff.
[21:29] <rgreening> lol
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> it also lowers the permissions barrier somewhat for contributing to the core kde packages. A core-dev will still have to approve your changes and upload them, but bzr makes it a lot easier to work with the packages without having to throw around diffs at doods
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> imo
[21:32] <rgreening> tru dat, w3rd
[21:32] <ScottK> And now that bzr doesn't compete with the total time until the heat death of the Universe for slowness, it's not too bad.
[21:33] <ScottK> We tried similar in Gutsy and it was just undoable.
[21:34]  * ScottK notes it's less than two hours to<PHONE_NUMBER>.  See ##1234567890 for details.
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> unix must be ebil since it has reached<PHONE_NUMBER> on Friday the 13th
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> MS should totally use that
[21:36] <rgreening> lol
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> linux is illegal and immoral!
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> linux has 5 letters, so does the devil
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> my son made a tetragram out of linux CD's!1!!
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> [/paranoid_mom]
[21:41] <ghostcube> hehe yeah the party is going on
[21:41] <ghostcube> lol<PHONE_NUMBER> time was lol
[21:41]  * NCommander is quite amazed that KDE on ARM has remained unbroken ;-)
[21:42] <ghostcube> boah anyone knows if th eintel hdadriver will get better
[21:42] <NCommander> !ARM/x86 not quite so happy
[21:42] <ghostcube> i cant capture what i hear
[21:42] <NCommander> O_______o;
[21:44] <Riddell> Lure: I moved lensfun to main
[21:45] <Lure> Riddell: you just had to do it, right?
[21:45] <Lure> just to prevent me to do last upload in universe... ;-)
[21:46] <Lure> Riddell: just kidding, there are some patches pending for it, but have no time until we get digikam/kipi rc2 out
[21:46] <Lure> and I need to address opencv MIR feedback first
[21:50] <Riddell> ScottK: so, I guess I could move 4.1.4 to -updates
[21:50] <ScottK> I certainly think so.
[21:51] <Riddell> if I don't  we'll have to wait for pitti on monday, and monday is ages away
[21:51] <Riddell> do we have a list of packages that need moved?
[21:51]  * JontheEchidna has 2 or so SRU-able fixes for kdesdk for after its moved
[21:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Bugs tagged kde4.1.4 with an open intrepid task.
[21:58] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kde4.1.4 only three
[21:59] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.tag=kde4.1.4  ah better
[21:59] <Riddell> ScottK: so xine-lib and the langs too?
[22:00] <ScottK> err.
[22:00] <ScottK> They need to go.  I don't know the state of their verification.
[22:00]  * ScottK looks
[22:01] <ScottK> Riddell: That one actually has a call for lool to retest.
[22:01] <ScottK> urgh.
[22:01] <ScottK> lool: You around?  Any chance you could repeate your xinelibs test?
[22:05] <ghostcube> 5010 people
[22:05] <ghostcube> :D
[22:05] <ghostcube> we nee dmore guys
[22:05] <ghostcube> -0
[22:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I forgot about the xinelib thing, I think we need to reverify that first.  Urgh.
[22:06] <ScottK> sorry for the false alarm.
[22:26] <Quintasan> night guys
[22:37]  * Lure -> bed, good nite all!
[22:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:47] <rgreening> Riddell: How do I use the bzr for ~kubuntu-members now. I keep getting an error
[22:47] <Riddell> rgreening: what's the error?
[22:47] <rgreening> Riddell: bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[22:48] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[22:48] <Riddell> that it?
[22:48] <Riddell> probably launchpad is broken
[22:48] <rgreening> after I identify with lanchpad-login I get that and nothing checks out
[22:48] <rgreening> if I don't Identify I get a warning about identifying but I can branch
[22:48] <rgreening> so, dont I need to identify?
[22:49] <Riddell> branching may be using http
[22:50] <Riddell> where are you trying to push?
[22:50] <rgreening> havn't got that far yet
[22:51] <rgreening> do I need to install some https module?
[22:52] <Riddell> where are you trying to check out?
[22:53] <rgreening> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[22:53] <Riddell> do you have your ssh key in your account?
[22:53] <rgreening> I assume that's the correct branch for me to update
[22:53] <rgreening> hmm...
[22:54] <rgreening> I had to build a new system. I may not have my local key anymore.
[22:54] <rgreening> crud
[22:56] <rgreening> Riddell: Is it as simple as generating a new set of keys for the new computer and attaching to LP?
[22:57] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[22:57] <rgreening> Riddell: ty. now.. to get a new key cut
[23:00] <ScottK> And does your new machine have the same ssh key?
[23:00] <ScottK> nevermind
[23:04] <rgreening> anyone else have issues with "highlight"/"paste" from konsole to konqueror? seems like konqueror doesn't like the middle-click paste buffer
[23:04] <rgreening> Riddell: can you test ?
[23:05] <neversfelde> rgreening: can't open links in a new tab with middle-click here
[23:06] <rgreening> so, konqueror isn't recognizing middle mouse button events?
[23:06] <Riddell> rgreening: works for me
[23:06] <rgreening> Riddell: did you highlight but not copy?
[23:07] <rgreening> highlight it only and then use middle button to paste
[23:07] <Riddell> highlight in konsole, middle click pasts in konqueror's location bar
[23:08] <rgreening> Riddell: are you running latest updates?
[23:08] <rgreening> in Jaunty
[23:08] <Riddell> konqueror 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2
[23:09] <neversfelde> not working for me
[23:10] <rgreening> me to. but Im not running my PPA on this new system... are you still running my rebuilds from my PPA
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't the rebuilds have a ~ppa number?
[23:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Im more concerned the reason Riddell is working is qt 4.5 (potentially)
[23:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you on jaunty?
[23:11] <rgreening> can you test?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> so, highlight in konsole, middle click in konq?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> any particular area in konq?
[23:12] <rgreening> in the address bar or in the tab area seem broken
[23:13] <rgreening> address bar if not a real url you are pasting
[23:13] <rgreening> just so you have text goingto a text box
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> worksforme(tm)
[23:13] <rgreening> neversfelde: you 32 bit or 64?
[23:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you get a chance to try quassel on 4.5 yet?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> pure jaunty kde and qt
[23:14] <rgreening> ScottK: nope. I got bogged down with my broken system
[23:14] <neversfelde> rgreening: 32 bit
[23:14] <ScottK> OK.
[23:15] <rgreening> well, JontheEchidna, neversfelde, Riddell: there's defiantely an issue. I did a stock install from latest alpha and upgraded before doing anything on it.
[23:15] <rgreening> I have additional languages and keyboard layouts enabled. how about the rest of you.
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> standard english, though out of coincidence I am running a spanish konq
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> but I do have the default keyboard layout
[23:16] <neversfelde> rgreening: default keyboard layout and german language
[23:17] <rgreening> hmmm...
[23:18] <rgreening> http://forum.kde.org/solved-middle-mouse-button-not-working-konqueror-t-30042.html
[23:20] <Riddell> ~twitter update<PHONE_NUMBER>.48 nearly there
[23:20] <kubotu> status updated
[23:21] <neversfelde> :) left and middle button opens a link in current tab and in a new one
[23:23] <rgreening> neversfelde: not for me
[23:23] <rgreening> :(
[23:28] <neversfelde> rgreening: disabling gestures fixes it for me. I can paste and open links in new tabs with the middle button.
[23:28] <rgreening> neversfelde: where did you disable thatÉ
[23:29] <neversfelde> mom, must switch to english
[23:30] <neversfelde> rgreening: Systemsettings >> General >> Input Settings
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have gestures enabled?
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: and is this something we want enabled?
[23:32] <Riddell> not that I know of
[23:32] <ScottK> I'd imagine not.
[23:32] <shtylman_><PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:32] <shtylman_> :)
[23:32] <ScottK> That seems like something you'd want people to opt in to.
[23:33] <rgreening> I've never had or used gestures and middle click seems like so much more important
[23:33] <Riddell> shtylman_: yay!
[23:34] <ghostcube> happy<PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:34] <ghostcube> hehe
[23:34] <ghostcube> the ## channel was too freaky
[23:35] <ScottK> Doesn't seem much different than #ubuntu-release party on release day (except for the bad language)
[23:35] <ScottK> OK, it's a little more over the top.
[23:36] <rgreening> I feel like an episode of sesame street... 1-2-3-4..5..6-7-8-9..10..11.12!
[23:36] <rgreening> I old
[23:37] <ScottK> Bah.
[23:37] <ghostcube> :D
[23:37] <ScottK> I remember before there WAS Sesame Street.
[23:37] <ghostcube> hmm iam old too guys :P
[23:37] <ScottK> How old are you?
[23:38] <ghostcube> 30
[23:38] <ghostcube> lol
[23:38] <ScottK> Youngster.
[23:38] <ghostcube> hehe
[23:39] <ghostcube> its not how old you are its about how old you feel
[23:39] <ghostcube> :D
[23:40] <rgreening> ghostcube < rgreening < ScottK where name = age
[23:40] <rgreening> :)
[23:40] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:40] <ghostcube> lol
[23:41] <ScottK> JFTR, I am not the oldest Ubuntu dev.  I know of one a decade older than me.
[23:41] <ghostcube> oh no u all seen google icon today ?
[23:41] <ghostcube> http://www.google.de/logos/unix1234567890.gif
[23:44] <rgreening> Riddell: when I am ready to push my changes to bzr, do I do bzr push or bzr merge?
[23:44] <rgreening> or...
[23:44] <Riddell> rgreening: if you did a checkout then   bzr commit
[23:45] <Riddell> if you did a branch then  bzr commit; bzr push
[23:45] <Riddell> if you did a branch  bzr merge  will bring in changes from the branch
[23:45] <rgreening> Riddell: ah. yeah, I had forgotten. I did a branch rather than checkout
[23:45] <rgreening> oops
[23:46] <ScottK> http://currentconfig.com/2005/02/22/essential-life-lesson-1-over-is-right-under-is-wrong/
[23:47] <rgreening> Riddell: updated kde4libs with flash installer patch
[23:47] <rgreening> we'll need a new deb popped from tree :)
[23:48] <neversfelde> are there infos about that bzr thing somewhere?
[23:48] <neversfelde> the choqok branch should be updated, but I do not know how
[23:52] <ghostcube> ScottK, nice story
[23:52] <ghostcube> :d
[23:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: bzr co https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[23:53] <Riddell> edit files
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr diff
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr commit
[23:53] <Riddell> hmm, that's not the right URL
[23:53] <Riddell> bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[23:53] <neversfelde> thanks, will have a look at it


[00:34] <parrotlover> It's Will O... I have now 5.4 kernel booting android with 10.0 samsung driver blobs being reworked and rebuilt into the kernel after being extracting during the build process. on one device i have what appears to be full hardware support, specifically the S10+, but no other devices have gotten enough attention for HAL-HAL to have been tested for working with. It also works with the 9.0 stock blobs and I have
[00:34] <parrotlover> everything but radio working on S9 and S7... Everything is buggy but all hardware is working enough that I can do basic tests. I have bricked 17 devices this week
[00:36] <parrotlover> It's not usable, because buggy as hell, but I'm chatting on it with Enlightenment and hexchat right now because I don't own a personal computer anymore
[00:39] <parrotlover> if anyone has a 1tb S10+ I can post an image but you can't revert to android and if your flash interupts or fails it bricks your $1650 phone, and the warranty bit obviously gets set.
[00:41] <parrotlover> I only have 1tb model images right now... It also works with Unity8 and all the ways UT does, because my goal was to make UT except the way I thought was better that everyone said I couldn't do, but it's also able to run any distro, and I even got ahold of Samsungs compilers for Exynos 9 SoCs
[19:08] <ikmaak> everybody, congrats with the pre-order! I will be the proud owner of a great UBPort phone!
[23:12] <parrotlover> ikmaak, Ubports phone.... which device?
[23:12] <parrotlover> I would love to see Ubports have a fully working retail modern powerful
[23:12] <parrotlover>  device
[23:13] <ikmaak> the pinephone-ubports edition: https://www.pine64.org/2020/04/02/pinephone-ubports-community-edition-pre-orders-now-open/
[23:13] <parrotlover> Oh, nice
[23:13] <parrotlover> I will totally buy one
[23:13] <ikmaak> i already did :)
[23:13] <ikmaak> i already have the braveheart version, and it is an amazing device
[23:14] <parrotlover> I have a unstable and device bricking s10+ port I made that is pretty nice and I'm proud of, but I bricked 19 S10+ in 8 days of work
[23:15] <ikmaak> thank you. those 19 devices that you bricked are a small price to debrick the official ones :)
[23:16] <parrotlover> ikmaak, It's a process that is slowly fixing problems and costing me money but I have no issue dealing with the cost to make my project perfect
[23:17] <parrotlover> I really want Ubports to adopt my work when it's ready to use in any way that is safe and doesn't brick devices and can be safely maintained and reflashed and restored to android capable device... Right now it's a non-alpha but semi working Linux/GNU system with no Android components at all
[23:18] <parrotlover> I was told my ideas were not wanted when I tried to be UT dev but I didn't give up I just did it myself and that means years and years of work because I'm only one person
[23:19] <parrotlover> I am probably 2 years away from an alpha testing batch to be given to app developers and users who will hunt for bugs... And that's being optimistic
[23:19] <ikmaak> parrotlover: do not get distracted by people not wanting to accept you doing the right thing :)
[23:20] <parrotlover> ikmaak, that's why I left and did it myself, but I am no where near ready to give people the images which run on $1650 phones that aren't stable and have no warranty and are already outdated by 1 generation
[23:21] <ikmaak> you just have to wait some superficial "generations", and your work will be golden
[23:21] <parrotlover> ikmaak, it's a pipe dream
[23:21] <parrotlover> but I won't give up
[23:21] <parrotlover> I think eventually I will succeed if I don't die first
[23:21] <ikmaak> as soon as samzung bricks them, they will all be yours for the taking :)
[23:22] <parrotlover> lol
[23:22] <ikmaak> they will break them, just like their other older models
[23:23] <parrotlover> I chose samsung specifically because everyone said samsung was the most impossible to work with devices and I would never make it work... I like projects that people say aren't possible or aren't realistic, and I am no expert in anything at all but I invest years, sometimes decades, into learning skills to complete projects I devote myself to
[23:23] <parrotlover> I just am very dedicated and hard to lose motivation for
[23:24] <ikmaak> a pinephone will die if the hw dies, it is using mainline, no strange layers inbetween, so support will be as long as mainline
[23:25] <ikmaak> i personally think your work is worthwile as in 3 years samzung considers them trash, all 200? million of them. and if you do not work on them, they will be.
[23:26] <parrotlover> ikmaak, my goal is to support every device with 6.0.1 or later support and keep it maintained and worked on
[23:26] <ikmaak> nice. that is a lot of prevented bricks :)
[23:26] <parrotlover> The main thing that is really awesome is it uses tensorflow to use AI for keyboard that provides better than Gboard functionality in every way, and uses the UT keyboard with custom QML API for tensorflow
[23:27] <parrotlover> ikmaak, I bricked so many because I've been dealing with clocks and voltages and OC/UC and turbo mode and power save mode and such... I'm doing work that literally requires testing to see if it bricks and then trying again and hoping I fixed it
[23:27] <parrotlover> I have 5 devices in torture testing right now with the code that was bricking my devices before
[23:28] <ikmaak> the sad thing is at the moment that if you buy a phone today, you need to wait for years till the manufacturer gives up on it, and then you can finally use it... if ever.
[23:28] <parrotlover> they have been bootstrap compiling GCC 8 constantly while rendering complex static 3d images from models and textures at maximum possible rate
[23:29] <ikmaak> but are you trying to mainline your solution?
[23:29] <parrotlover> yes, I have submitted a number of PR's to Linux kernel and plan tonight to begin other PR requests for other things. I wanted originally to do this for profit, but I no longer have a need to make income from a project so niche and small
[23:30] <parrotlover> I have too much money to care about making a few thousand a month at most if adopted and trusted
[23:30] <ikmaak> great! thank you, thank you!
[23:31] <ikmaak> if it is not on its way to mainline, its on its way to being forgotten.
[23:31] <parrotlover> ikmaak, unfortunately a lot of the upstream commits will take a long time to get into production stable builds and I'm pretty sure many will be rejected requiring better standards than my current system has
[23:31] <ikmaak> is there a way to improve your standards?
[23:31] <ikmaak> kernel driver always take too much time
[23:32] <parrotlover> ikmaak, the standards right now are to perfect the code, but linux kernel and gcc have very strict standards that I get about 50-75% rejection rate with instructions on what to fix before it's accepted
[23:32] <ikmaak> sounds reasonable
[23:32] <parrotlover> I will improve to meet standards based on rejection feedback and resubmit while also improving my own stuff at same time
[23:33] <parrotlover> but I think to commit all my work over the years will itself take years
[23:33] <ikmaak> better than the MS method of saying "no" without explanation
[23:33] <parrotlover> MS sucks
[23:33] <ikmaak> i think your accepance level will improve by their teachings as well
[23:34] <parrotlover> ikmaak, I'm always getting better, but I do too many different things to be an expert in any one field
[23:34] <ikmaak> in a way they train you to know better :)
[23:34] <ikmaak> and to train a new generation
[23:34] <parrotlover> I learn very specific usage skills based on my goals and don't study any one field in full capacity unless I need every part of it for the project I am working on
[23:34] <parrotlover> I only learn things i need to do my goals usually
[23:35] <ikmaak> i try to work togeter with someone in any field of interest, so they can get in, and i can get out again, without abandoning my archievements
[23:36] <parrotlover> ikmaak, I would do that if anyone else was as able to do what I want as me. Usually I'm told the things I want to do are impossible... Those are the ideas I really commit to
[23:36] <ikmaak> this way i can get motivvated growth in my goals, and get people a good way to get into my interests, even if i move on
[23:37] <parrotlover> I love solving impossible tasks. I love creating theories, defining technology needed to develop the theory, experimenting with different ways to implement it, perfect it over time, and finally put it together and then I have to start over with a new project or refactor huge parts of it
[23:37] <ikmaak> i have a number of those people, and try to find one in each part of my interests. this way i can start the project, and educate my colleague
[23:37] <ikmaak> after that i get out, and the person has a job/speciality
[23:38] <ikmaak> and i can get in, and get up to speed faster again if i need to, as they can tell me what happened since i left
[23:38] <parrotlover> I can't find anyone who I feel is as committed and capable of inventing things themselves from theories and the requirements of those theories, and I am a researcher and theorist more than a developer, but I do develop things I've just never completed a serious goal yet, but I have 3 serious long term projects 2 are expected to be ready in under 10 years and the 1 bigger one is going to take 20 if I am lucky
[23:39] <ikmaak> so even if the work initially doesn't go as fast because of all the explaining, it has more longevity, and easier to foolow up on
[23:40] <ikmaak> i use more than one person, one for each interest/job. then they can also cooperate, as they all know they can trust my selections
[23:41] <parrotlover> I can't find anyone who I feel is as committed and capable of inventing things themselves from theories and the requirements of those theories, and I am a researcher and theorist more than a developer, but I do develop things I've just never completed a serious goal yet, but I have 3 serious long term projects 2 are expected to be ready in under 10 years and the 1 bigger one is going to take 20 if I and distro
[23:41] <parrotlover> content and repo content, but it's always needing to be debugged because it was never intended t7o /use the way I do so never tested properly for what I'm doing
[23:42] <parrotlover> I invented myself less than 10% of this project, and patched and modded the rest to an extent ranging from a few lines to a few thousand lines
[23:42] <ikmaak> so every project uses more than one person, and each is molded to fit one job, so they can work together, and do things better than i ever would be able to due to losing interest if the issue is solved
[23:42] <parrotlover> I wish I have developers who wanted to help me and had time and energy to be useful
[23:42] <parrotlover> no one wants to help me except people who I have zero confidence in
[23:43] <ikmaak> offer them a job in the part they are supposed to learn from you
[23:44] <ikmaak> i now work on a project with someone who was a storeclerk in the daytime, but very interested in what i needed
[23:44] <ikmaak> if you already can dev, you mostly have a project already :)
[23:45] <ikmaak> i never ask ppl to help me, i show them a profitable niche in what they are interested in anyways :P
[23:45] <parrotlover> I have a project that is probably about as developed and stable as UT in basic functionality but I'm trying to improve everything and add more features and just make it perfect for the nerds who want a pocket gaming/server device that also is a phone
[23:46] <parrotlover> the only place for profit is app development, everything else is going upstream making my project simply possible for anyone by the time I'm done and not special at all except for being cheap and powerful and cool as hell to own
[23:46] <ikmaak> i have issues with ap oss phone software atm as they follow a system that is working against them
[23:47] <ikmaak> apps are a dead end for oss.
[23:47] <parrotlover> Well, if you use my device with a dock which I want to offer support for, you have a full computer basically
[23:48] <ikmaak> oss prevention was the reason for app stores in the beginning.
[23:48] <parrotlover> I want an app market, and I want to have paid and free apps, and any profit i make beyond paying for maintaining once built, will be sent to FOSS projects that I use in the project
[23:49] <ikmaak> organizations work like an app, life works as a workflow
[23:49] <ikmaak> so apps are only usable against users, not by users
[23:51] <ikmaak> look at the app store conception, it was specifically created as something foss could never duplicate successfully
[23:53] <ikmaak> but anyway, bedtime. i lurk all the time, but would like to hear more about your projects. please keep me informed
[23:56] <parrotlover> good night ikmaak
[23:57] <parrotlover> I'll be here unless they ban me again which has happened before
[23:57] <ikmaak> waaahh?
[23:58] <parrotlover> I am crazy and tend to rant and post walls of essay format text when I am chatting, and it bothers admins and devs to the point where they disciminated because of my mental illness and banned me
[23:58] <parrotlover> I can't communicate in ways normal people can tollerate
[23:58] <parrotlover> This conversation is very low key for me, I'm very stable and usually I'm not
[23:59] <ikmaak> so you get banned for not being the right kind of crazy, while producing usable work?


[00:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: do you know what ${misc:Depends} in the control file expands to?
[08:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: It's a variable to let debphelper figure out if you need any more depends
[08:15] <zequence> How exactly it works, I don't know.. yet :P
[08:16] <zequence> you can find some info about it in the manual for debhelper: man debhelper
[18:30] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was just looking into the usb kernel bug. Not sure, but it might be about to get fixed
[18:30] <zequence> LP #1103018
[18:33] <zequence> there are a bunch of bugs that may be related, not sure
[18:33] <zequence> seems like they've had problem pinning it down