[00:04] <GH3> I attempted to roll back the changes, but I still can't initiate a kdm session: http://pastebin.com/X5xXkxZ5
[00:21] <tuxman_> hi all
[00:22] <tuxman_> chromium buttons
[00:22] <tuxman_> it do not show
[00:23] <tuxman_> min/restore/close buttons
[00:28] <GH3> Would anyone be able to help me get my KDE environment working/running again? I rolled back and am still unable to get a desktop environment that loads after logging in.
[00:39] <chachan> GH3: create a new user and check whether or not it is happening...
[00:45] <GH3> It is happening on all users. But, I got it fixed.
[00:46] <GH3> Now I just need to fix my Iptables commands that were somehow wiped out when I did the dist-upgrade and the purge commands to roll back.
[01:24] <Guest7616> !hate
[01:26] <Linkmaster> Guest7616: ?
[01:26] <Guest7616> i was trying to test the bot
[01:26] <Guest7616> if there is any...
[01:26] <Guest7616> i've seen one before in this channel
[01:27] <Unit193> Just died, actually.
[01:27] <Guest7616> sad news
[03:48] <billytwowilly> any chance 12.04 is released for the weekend?
[03:50] <billytwowilly> nope...
[03:55] <chachan> and waiting for the new release to format my PC, I'm with this OS (upgrading it) since 10.04
[03:56] <chachan> and the performance isn't the same =/
[04:34] <len> It seems like Blue Systems interest is in all things KDE, and that is why they decided to sponser Kubuntu.  In fact they were already sponsering some Kubuntu derivatives, so it makes sense they've have an interest in the health of Kubuntu itself.
[04:36] <len> In case anyone is   confused, it looks like I was responding to some posts from many, many hours ago.
[05:23] <zorobabel> what is Blue Systems?
[05:53] <mr-rich> zorobabel: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%22blue+systems%22
[05:56] <Tm_T> mr-rich: lmgtfy is considered rude here, so please don't use it
[05:57] <mr-rich> rude? why?
[05:57] <Tm_T> people ask here to get help, not to get told "google it"
[05:58] <Tm_T> (we can continue this discussion in -offtopic or some other more suitable place if you want)
[06:00] <zorobabel> can't Google anyway here
[06:02] <mr-rich> No discusssion needed save to say this: A) zorobabel's question was not a help question and B) The link I provided will give him the information he is seeking. If had been an actual question I could have answered, I would have done so ...
[06:03] <mr-rich> zorobabel: Work computer?
[06:03] <zorobabel> yes
[06:03] <zorobabel> I was just curious and didn't intend to start some kind of argument, no answer was necessary for that matter
[06:06] <mr-rich> so, your work computer lets you on IRC, but won't let you google? ... strange ... my work computer (thin client) is the oposite ...
[06:07] <zorobabel> it's actually the work internet connection
[06:07] <zorobabel> I don't know if it's deliberate or just typically terrible Indonesian internet, but at work I cannot access Google, Yahoo, and various other major sites
[06:08] <mr-rich> zorobabel: what about duckduckgo?
[06:09] <GirlyGirl> zorobabel: Try changing the dns to "<IP_ADDRESS>" and "<IP_ADDRESS>" (Google public dns)
[06:11] <zorobabel> duckduckgo works
[06:14] <mr-rich> try "blue systems" in duckduckgo or just go to www.bluesystems.com if you can ...
[06:18] <GirlyGirl> zorobabel: What happens when you ping google and the rest?
[07:06] <Riddell> bkerensa: pong
[07:19] <Daskreech> Riddell: Don't you hate contentless pings?
[07:23] <Riddell> Daskreech: I prefer to void hatred, it suggests something isn't understood
[07:28] <Daskreech> Riddell: don't you $(/dev/null) contentless pings ?
[08:06] <len> Wow!  What a turn around.  The future is really starting to look bright for Kubuntu.  Blue System has just upped the ante to sponsoring TWO full-time Kubuntu developers!   Looks like Kubuntu is going to start receiving more love than it ever got during its Canonical days.
[08:06] <len> http://agateau.com/2012/04/11/into-the-blue/
[08:07] <len> The long dark days of second class citizenship seem to be over.
[08:08] <len> I guess sometimes dark clouds really do have silver linings.
[08:09] <GirlyGirl> len: Don't expect much changes so soon
[08:13] <len> I've not looking for any big changes.  Just want Kubuntu to track KDE proper has closely as possible with really good, clean, stable implementations.
[08:14] <len> and it looks like they'll have the resources to do so.
[08:19] <len> I got fed up because it lookes like Mark never wanted Kubuntu to succeed, growing to the point of seeming like he was actively undermining it, and worried that it's success was a threat to his "vision."
[08:27] <len> Future is starting to look better for KDE too now that all the growing pains from the 3 -> 4 transition are over (4.8.2 is really nice and has even tamed the neopmuk beast), the gnome project is self-destructing, and Microsoft seems determined to follow them down the same road with their metro interface.
[08:28] <Daskreech> Metro will probably save Microsoft
[08:28] <Daskreech>  but I expect Windows 8 to be met with trepidation
[08:28] <Daskreech> But Hooray Blue Systems ! :)
[08:29] <len> I don't know many people who want to pretend their 22" desktop monitor is a 10" touch screen.
[08:29] <len> People wouldn't be fleeing Unity and gnome 3 if that were the case.
[08:30] <lordievader> I'm not sure if Metro will save Microsoft, for a tablet it is good, but for a desktop?
[08:31] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: Microsoft isn't stupid they know that the competition to WIndows 8 will not be Linux but actually Windows 7. Just like xp was for vista
[08:31] <GirlyGirl> So its a win win situation
[08:32] <len> Oh yeah, Microsoft has only produced, Windows ME, BOB, and Vista.  They don't put out any pure flops :)
[08:32] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl: Yes which is why I expect Windows 8 will have some trepidation. In any case nothing that MS has done has affected me in about 5 years
[08:32]  * jussi reminds peoples this discussion would be better suited to #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[08:32] <Daskreech> Other than having people call me because Vista sucks
[08:33] <GirlyGirl> jussi: True but #kubuntu-devel is always dead. And given that #kubuntu has less traffic than #ubuntu I don't see a reason to have a #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:33] <GirlyGirl> edit: #-offtopic not devel lol
[08:33] <Tm_T> GirlyGirl: still
[08:34] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl: policy (which I suppose after April we don't have to live by \o/)
[08:34] <Tm_T> Daskreech: huh?
[08:34] <Daskreech> Tm_T: We'd be like fluxbuntu
[08:34] <jussi> no, like Xubuntu
[08:34] <Tm_T> ^
[08:34] <Tm_T> status of Kubuntu isn't changing really
[08:35] <jussi> anyways, -> #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <len> I always find it amuzing when people get picky about the specifics of conversation when the alternative is usually hours and hours and hours of dead air.  It's not like most of freenode rooms have traffic problems :)
[08:37] <Daskreech> len: Yes but it does hurt people looking for help
[08:39] <GirlyGirl> I understand why #ubuntu is support only. But #kubuntu should be both in my opinion. Actually #ubuntu-uk has more traffic than here and people use it for offtopic and support
[08:40] <Tm_T> GirlyGirl: this is wrong place to discuss this (so let's stop the offtopic here) (:
[08:40] <len> I don't think so.  I don't see an ongoing conversation as stopping people from stopping to help people coming in with problems.  On the contrary, they'll actually see signs of life and not think it's a dead room with lots off people showing up on the list but everyone away from their computer.
[08:41] <Tm_T> len: see my previous comment (:
[08:43] <len> Well, I disagree, and think that some people just like rule for the sake of rules.  Have it your way.  Enjoy the beautiful sound of dead air.
[08:45] <Daskreech> len: Pretty good discussion in -offtopic btw
[09:37] <orangblume> helloooo
[09:37] <orangblume> hellooo
[09:37] <orangblume> i was in ubuntu channel but the others there wont help me
[09:37] <orangblume> can you help  me
[09:42] <GirlyGirl> orangblume: Depends on the problem
[09:44] <orangblume> well
[09:44] <orangblume> i never used linux before
[09:44] <orangblume> now i use it but i miss arial and times new roman
[09:44] <orangblume> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:44] <orangblume> but where to get???
[09:45] <Riddell> orangblume: install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[09:46] <orangblume> oh thanks peopleeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:46] <orangblume> you are  so good to me
[09:46] <orangblume> and always help me
[09:46] <orangblume> i have next question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:46] <GirlyGirl> orangblume: Or you can install fonts in system settings from a windows partition "C:/Windows/Fonts"
[09:46] <orangblume> sshould i grap 32 or 64bit??????????????????????????????????????????
[09:46] <GirlyGirl> orangblume: Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[09:47] <orangblume> why is that important
[09:47] <GirlyGirl> orangblume: Read the topic . Because if not using Kubuntu you should be in #ubuntu not here
[09:48] <orangblume> OH SHIT
[09:48] <orangblume> i read
[09:48] <orangblume> kubuntu will stopped
[09:48] <orangblume> after 12.04
[09:48] <GirlyGirl> !ops
[09:49] <orangblume> why 12.04 stopped?!!!!
[09:49] <orangblume> i want to continue using it
[09:50] <Mamarok> orangblume: please behave!
[09:50] <orangblume> what did i do ?!?! mamarok
[09:51] <Mamarok> orangblume: you should avoid multiple exclamation marks
[09:51] <orangblume> ok
[09:51] <Mamarok> just write normal English
[09:51] <Mamarok> GirlyGirl: please do not make unnecesary ops calls
[09:52] <Mamarok> orangblume: no shouting, no swearing, keep this channel family friendly
[09:52] <orangblume> yes is okay
[09:52] <orangblume> i have a quuestion is there a ubuntu12,04 RC
[09:53] <orangblume> or  only beta 2
[09:53] <Mamarok> for now it is beta 2, you can read that on the website: http://kubuntu.org
[09:53] <Mamarok> keep that in eye for more information
[09:54] <Daskreech> orangblume: Beta 2
[09:55] <Mamarok> orangblume: and if you are not using KDE, then you should ask your questions in #ubuntu
[09:55] <orangblume> nobody said thati   do not use KUBUNTU
[09:55] <Mamarok> also 12.04 questions should go to #ubuntu+1, and please behave there as well
[09:56] <mmc2> I have a question about software uninstall in kubuntu 11.10
[09:56] <Daskreech> orangblume: You can Use kubuntu if you like
[09:56] <Daskreech> mmc2: Go
[09:57] <orangblume> mmc2 using 11.10?!
[09:57] <mmc2> yes
[09:57] <Tm_T> orangblume: calm down
[09:57] <orangblume> oh 11.10 i hate
[09:57] <Mamarok> orangblume: this is a support channel, please stay quiet if you are not involved
[09:57] <orangblume> please use 10.10 or 10.04 or 11.04
[09:57] <orangblume> or 12.04
[09:57] <Mamarok> orangblume: stop this, please
[09:58] <Mamarok> this is not support what you are doing
[09:58] <mmc2>  orangeblume: I'm looking for a solution so please...
[09:58] <orangblume> i wanted to help
[09:58] <orangblume> buut i need to get a chance
[09:58] <orangblume> ^^
[09:58] <Tm_T> orangblume: that is not helping, so please stop, behave, calm down, and then try again
[09:59] <orangblume> ok
[09:59] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: Use muon to unistall software or apt-get in command line
[09:59] <orangblume> mmc2: ask please
[09:59] <Daskreech> mmc2: What is your issue?
[09:59] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: You can search for muon in the KDE menu
[09:59] <mmc2> I've uninstalled postgres and pgadm3, had some setting up issues so uninstalled them through terminal
[09:59] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: and ....
[09:59] <mmc2> I dont see them any more in muon
[10:00] <mmc2> which is OK
[10:00] <GirlyGirl> !enter | mmc2
[10:00] <mmc2> but I still have them in kmenu
[10:00] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: Does it launch from kmenu?
[10:00] <mmc2> yes it does
[10:01] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: What command did you use to unistall?
[10:01] <mmc2> sudo apt-get --purge remove
[10:02] <Daskreech> mmc2: for which packages?
[10:02] <mmc2> there were 3 packages for postgres
[10:03] <mmc2> and 1 for pgadmin3
[10:04] <Daskreech> yes could you give the package names ?
[10:04] <mmc2> sudo apt-get --purge remove postgresql-9.1 postgresql-client-9.1 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common
[10:04] <mmc2> i did that after dpkg -l | grep postgres
[10:05] <Daskreech> mmc2: could you run sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[10:05] <Daskreech> Or don't use the --purge
[10:05] <Daskreech> I dont know the state of your packages
[10:06] <mmc2> Reading package lists... Done
[10:06] <mmc2> Building dependency tree
[10:06] <mmc2> Reading state information... Done
[10:06] <mmc2> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:07] <Daskreech> mmc2: if you type postgr and press tab twice do you get a response ?
[10:07] <mmc2> where do I type it
[10:07] <mmc2> terminal?
[10:08] <GirlyGirl> mmc2: yes
[10:08] <mmc2> nothing happens
[10:09] <Daskreech> Hmm
[10:09] <Daskreech> So what is running when you click in menu ?
[10:09] <Daskreech> Kmenu
[10:10] <mmc2> I still have postgres and pgadmin under applications i kmenu and can run it
[10:10] <mmc2> in kmenu
[10:10] <Daskreech> What do you see when you run it?
[10:11] <mmc2> it starts the software
[10:11] <Daskreech> Hmm
[10:11] <Mamarok> that makes no sense
[10:11] <Daskreech> can you press alt+f2 and type kmenuedit
[10:11] <mmc2> I'd give you, if you want a teamviewer pass and check it out for yourself
[10:12] <mmc2> yes and
[10:12] <Daskreech> no need as yet just trying to figure out if you have locally manual installed packages
[10:12] <Daskreech> Ok find the entry for postgres and see what target it's running
[10:14] <mmc2> is this what you are looking for /opt/PostgreSQL/8.3/scripts/launchpgadmin.sh
[10:15] <Daskreech> mmc2: That's what I thought. you or someone using the computer installed Postgresql from the website
[10:15] <Daskreech> It was intaled manually so it should be removed manually
[10:15] <mmc2> ok, how do I do it
[10:16] <Daskreech> mmc2: would depend on how it was installed So look at the documentation in /opt/PostgreSQL
[10:16] <mmc2> ok, any other suggestions
[10:17] <Daskreech> I could say rm -r /opt/PostgreSQL but that would be irresponsible of me :)
[10:17] <mmc2> :) thanks
[10:18] <Daskreech> mmc2: There will probably be a README file in the directory or a uninstall script
[10:18] <Daskreech> that would be a better path if you want to run the equivalent of a --purge
[10:18] <mmc2> i found the uninstall script, what can i do with it
[10:19] <Daskreech> mmc2: did you just see it or did you read something that pointed you to it?
[10:20] <mmc2> well, I'm looking at it right now
[10:20] <Daskreech> mmc2: so you just saw it ? :) ok Cd into the directory that it exists in
[10:22] <Daskreech> mmc2: is it called uninstall ?
[10:23] <Daskreech> or uninstall.sh or something ?
[10:23] <mmc2> ok, I'm there, its called uninstall-postgresql
[10:26] <Daskreech> mmc2: alright try ./uninstall-postgresql --help
[10:27] <mmc2> it gives me this: Usage:
[10:27] <mmc2>  --help                         Display the list of valid options
[10:27] <mmc2>  --version                      Display product information
[10:27] <mmc2>  --unattendedmodeui <unattendedmodeui> Unattended Mode UI
[10:27] <mmc2>                                 Default: none
[10:27] <mmc2>                                 Allowed: none minimal minimalWithDialogs
[10:27] <mmc2>  --debuglevel <debuglevel>      Debug information level of verbosity
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Default: 2
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Allowed: 0 1 2 3 4
[10:28] <mmc2>  --mode <mode>                  Installation mode
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Default: qt
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Allowed: qt gtk xwindow text unattended
[10:28] <mmc2>  --debugtrace <debugtrace>      Debug filename
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Default:
[10:28] <mmc2>  --installer-language <installer-language> Language selection
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Default: en
[10:28] <mmc2>                                 Allowed: en
[10:28] <Daskreech> Paste bin next time pleae
[10:28] <Daskreech> please
[10:28] <mmc2> ok, sorry
[10:29] <Daskreech> mmc2: ok try ./uninstall-postgresql
[10:30] <mmc2> poped out a uninstall window, thanks a lot
[10:30] <Daskreech> OK
[10:30] <Daskreech> Enjoy :)
[10:30] <mmc2> just one more, queestion
[10:31] <Daskreech> yes
[10:31] <mmc2> if I install manually I have to uninstall manually
[10:31] <Daskreech> mmc2: correct
[10:31] <Daskreech> In a general sense
[10:31] <mmc2> thanks a lot again
[10:32] <GirlyGirl> HelenB: Did you get your theme issue sorted out?
[10:32] <Daskreech> You can install manually but through the packaging system (a .deb file) that you don't need to uninstall manually but in general yes you do
[10:32] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, no not yet.
[10:32] <HelenB> although I prefer KDE to gnome. :3
[10:35] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, I have a nice plastic theme. :3
[10:36] <GirlyGirl> HelenB: Plastique was the old theme in KDE 3x but if it suits you its fine.
[10:37] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, It's called Plastik and it's still there! :3
[10:38] <GirlyGirl> I know its a kde 4 port
[10:38] <GirlyGirl> It uses less resources too so if you like the look then good for you
[10:44] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, All the geeks at college tend to be noobs
[10:44] <HelenB> and last time I showed them a KDE desktop
[10:44] <HelenB> they said "That's Windows 7"
[10:45] <HelenB> so I said "No it's NOT it's KDE!"
[10:45] <HelenB> and they went
[10:45] <HelenB> No it's not it's Windows 7
[10:45] <HelenB> so I started showing them the difference between Windows 7 and my screenshot
[10:45] <HelenB> and they were STILL convinced it was Windows 7!
[10:45] <HelenB> lol
[10:47] <xuelang> ai
[10:47] <Daskreech> hi
[10:49] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, Hardly anyone at college have used Linux. lol
[10:50] <HelenB> Hardly anyone in England have used Linux.
[10:50] <HelenB> sorry for being offtopic
[10:50] <HelenB> I'll shut up now. lol
[10:52] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, Just respond to me in the offtopic channel if you want to I joined.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <stephan_> my kio_smb and kio_ftp is broken after a recent update
[12:39] <stephan_> is there a logfile whrere i can see what's going on?
[12:39] <avihay> should be
[12:40] <martinalex> is there another application but dia which i could use to draw electronic circuits?
[12:40] <martinalex> i found xcircuit but didnt understand its interface...
[12:41] <BluesKaj> stephan_, look in /var/log
[12:43] <stephan_> BluesKaj: but which file there?
[12:46] <stephan_> which package is kio_smb?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> stephan_, look for smb , doubt that kio is menntioned
[12:50] <BluesKaj> stephan_, actually look in syslog . it will be the latest
[12:52] <stephan_> syslog is silent, is see the processes in "System Activity"
[12:52] <stephan_> i have 20-30 kio_smb processes
[13:02] <stephan_> found the problem
[13:02] <stephan_> you have to exit dolphin before rebooting
[13:03] <stephan_> otherwise the smb login window is swallowed on restart
[13:03] <stephan_> and all io slaves ar blocked
[13:04] <stephan_> there is no way to find the login window after the inital lost
[13:41] <ManDay> How do I switch plasma from the ordinary to the netbook workspace?
[13:42] <GirlyGirl_> ManDay: System settings, workspace settings
[13:43] <GirlyGirl_> ManDay: then workspace, workspace type = desktop
[13:47] <Zaken7> hey !
[14:05] <lordievader> Hello
[14:06] <lordievader> Could someone assist me in fixing a problem I have with my Soundblaster?
[14:08] <GirlyGirl_> !question | lordievader
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader . what's the problem ?
[14:09] <lordievader> The problem is this, my soundblaster does not have any output anymore, in kmix everything is set right. The strange thing is, earlier it worked fine...
[14:12] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: provide a screenshot of "alsamixer" in terminal
[14:12] <BluesKaj> lordievader, open alsamixer in the terminal ...it has more options for controlling your sound iputs and outputs than kmix , and make sure you don't have any relavent ctrls Muted (MM) or turned way down
[14:13] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, hold on, I just removed the card in the hope that booting it without and then reinstalling it would fix it.
[14:13] <lordievader> Just a minute
[14:16] <GirlyGirl_> !paste
[14:19] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: Did you provided the screenshot ... sorry I got disconnected
[14:20] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, still in the process of removing and reinserting the card...
[14:20] <lordievader> My pc isn't fast like those newer ones :P
[14:21] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: I have a 2009 netbook here and its fast enough to do a lot of things except gaming
[14:22] <lordievader> Ok well that didn't work, Ill get you a screencap of alsamixer
[14:23] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: use  http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[14:24] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, here you go: http://imagebin.org/207723
[14:25] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: Seems good, did you install anything lately?
[14:25] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, No, not that I can remember.
[14:26] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: Also System Settings > Multimedia > Phonon .. press the test button and see if an error message pops up
[14:26] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, btw the pulseaudio volume meter does show that there is output, just that I do not hear anything.
[14:27] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, the test button does not give error, nor do I hear anything.
[14:27] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: install pavucontrol
[14:28] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, already done that, that does show there is/should be output
[14:28] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: Stupid question but are your speakers working?
[14:29] <lordievader> My headphone is indeed working, and so is the soundcard itself. In windows everything works fine.
[14:30] <AceKing> How do I get the grub menu to show when I startup?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> lordievader, how many devices are shown in phonon>device preference , and if there are more than one depeding on the output type spdif or analog check/test the one that applies to your output
[14:31] <GirlyGirl_> AceKing: press esc
[14:31] <AceKing> GirlyGirl_: Thank you!
[14:32] <GirlyGirl_> Is there an easy way to convert an html5 webap into a plasmoid ... in this case html5.grooveshark.com
[14:33] <lordievader> BluesKaj, there are more, and yes I have clicked the soundblaster stereo one, all other soundblaster ones are grayed out.
[14:34] <lordievader> BluesKaj, hmm I see now that there are two listings of CA0106 Soundblaster Analogue Stereo, one grayed out one not...
[14:34] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: Did you ever get a message on login asking whether kde should forget about some sound devices?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> lordievader, can you pastebin a scrnshot of the device preference
[14:35] <lordievader> Yeah after disabling the onboard one
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ahh, ok your also config file is probly still listing the onboard as default
[14:36] <BluesKaj> alsa config
[14:36] <lordievader> BluesKaj, http://imagebin.org/207725
[14:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj, that is not the case, even when I move, clementine in this case, the audio output to the right card I still don't hear anything.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> lordievader, cat /proc/asound/modules
[14:43] <HelenB> I need a screen recorder.
[14:43] <HelenB> non of them work right.
[14:44] <lordievader> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/926504/
[14:45] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: What problems do you have with recorditnow
[14:46] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, When I open the ogv file in VLC
[14:46] <HelenB> it doesn't play
[14:46] <HelenB> and it doesn't give any error
[14:47] <BluesKaj> lordievader, sudo modprobe snd_ca0106
[14:48] <lordievader> BluesKaj, this command doesn't return anything, should it?
[14:48] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: Try kazam
[14:49] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[14:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no it shouldn't
[14:49] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, How do I install it?
[14:49] <HelenB> what is it's package name?
[14:50] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: apt-get install
[14:50] <HelenB> I know
[14:50] <HelenB> but it can't be found.
[14:51] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: Maybe its only in precise
[14:51] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: brb
[14:51] <HelenB> kay
[14:51] <HelenB> :(
[14:52] <HelenB> How do I upgrade to beta 2 precise?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lordievader, open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and copy and paste this line at the bottom of the page,  options snd_ca0106 index=0
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lordievader, use root permissions when opening that file
[15:07] <lordievader> BluesKaj, and then a reboot?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> lordievader, that line makes you soundblaster driver/card the default
[15:08] <BluesKaj> you can reboot , or run sudo alsa -force reload
[15:10] <lordievader> BluesKaj, Im afraid to say that didn't fix it...
[15:11] <BluesKaj> what didn't fix it ..the reload ?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> them reboot
[15:11] <lordievader> yes
[15:11] <BluesKaj> then
[15:12] <BluesKaj> reload doesn't always work for some reason
[15:12] <lordievader> And here it didn't either, now rebooting.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> lordievader, after rebooting , check your phonon device preferences again to make sure you chosen device tests ok .
[15:16] <lordievader> BluesKaj, nope still nothing...
[15:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, did you see my post above?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> about phonon prewferences?
[15:17] <lordievader> about the chosen device? Yes, I dont hear anything
[15:17] <BluesKaj> are there any other choices ?
[15:18] <lordievader> BluesKaj, No, but I must say in the hardware setup I turned the others off
[15:18] <GirlyGirl_> HelenB: Since your system isn't exactly clean don't you want to remove ubuntu packages before upgrading or do a fresh install?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> lordievader, do you mean the intel hda
[15:19] <lordievader> BluesKaj, No, the internal audio (a realtek chip) and the hdmi out of my videocard.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> lordievader, also in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ,make sure no other snd drivers are index=0 , the snd_ca0106 should be the only defaalt , give the intel an index=-1
[15:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj, all others got a index=-2
[15:23] <BluesKaj> your modules show intel hda
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yeah ok =-2 if you want
[15:24] <lordievader> BluesKaj, odd, I do not, for as far as I know, have an inter soundcard.
[15:24] <lordievader> intel*
[15:26] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: A lot of sound card made by other companies have an Intel audio chip inside and identify as Intel
[15:26] <GirlyGirl_> lordievader: e.g realtek
[15:27] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, Ah, I see
[15:27] <lordievader> That explains it
[15:29] <BluesKaj> yes lordievader , you can check by running cat /proc/asound/modules again to see which is "card 0"
[15:30] <lordievader> snd_ca0106 is the first listed (0)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok then you must have somethingelse interfering , unless you need pulseaudio for that card which could be the case if it's a pci card
[15:31] <BluesKaj> lordievader, suso apt-get install pulseaudio
[15:32] <BluesKaj> sudo of course :)
[15:32] <lordievader> BluesKaj, it is already installed.
[15:32] <BluesKaj>  isort of assumed it was already installed
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok install pavucontrol
[15:32] <maria_> How can I tell if my kubuntu installed version is 32 bit or 64 bit?
[15:33] <GirlyGirl> maria_: uname -a
[15:33] <lordievader> BluesKaj, done so already :)
[15:33] <maria_> GirlyGirl: Thanks
[15:33] <BluesKaj> check your connections to the card , lordievader
[15:34] <lordievader> BluesKaj, they are good, in windows it works...
[15:35] <BluesKaj> which soundblaster card model#
[15:35] <BluesKaj> wonder if we have the right driver
[15:35] <lordievader> BluesKaj, phew an Audigy 2 LE? From the top of my head.
[15:35] <lordievader> It did work before, a few days ago.
[15:38] <lordievader> BluesKaj, perhaps this is usefull when running phonon from the terminal and going to the hardware setup and clicking front left, in the terminal a message shows: Unkown PCM 2
[15:40] <BluesKaj> lordievader, what kind of connection, spdif digital pcm or analog ?
[15:40] <lordievader> BluesKaj, just analog
[15:41] <BluesKaj> lordievader, ok , this will give us the active default card, sudo aplay -l
[15:42] <lordievader> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/926600/
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I suspect the wrong soundblaster driver is installed
[15:43] <lordievader> Could very well be, someone on a forum suggested to reinitialize alsa: I got this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/926601/
[15:47] <BluesKaj> lordievader, you should really take some time to find out the the card's actual model # ...suspect the diver is wrong , especially if it's the Audigy series
[15:47] <lordievader> But first it did work, with the same driver I believe.
[15:48] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: If you plan to update to precise on the 26th with a fresh install it might be wiser to not waste time on this now
[15:49] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, perhaps you are right, thank you for your effort. BluesKaj thank you for your effort.
[15:52] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Also check settings in this tab in System Settings http://imagebin.org/207730
[15:52] <BluesKaj> lordievader, the Audigy series soundcards are more difficult to setup , but check your pavucontrol to make sure your outputs and device selections are correct , first
[15:55] <lordievader> Thank you, it does all seem to be setup right... We'll just see if it will work in 12
[15:55] <lordievader> 12.04 if it is released...
[15:55] <BluesKaj> i still suspect the wrong driver for your card
[15:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj, but then why would the system one day decide to load a wrong driver?
[15:58] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Try "sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio" then "rm -rf .pulse" then "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio" , reboot
[16:01] <BluesKaj> lordievader, dunno why it happens but I have seen this with pci soundcards before .. the wrong driver is somehow applied by the kernal module
[16:02] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: If that is the case simply check the logs and see if a different driver is being loaded
[16:04] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Try those commands, if that fails when I had a similar problem with a pci card , I unplugged the pci card, booted Kubuntu, told kde to forget about the device, then plugged the card back and it worked
[16:04] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, I have already tried the unplugging trick, it failed...
[16:06] <BluesKaj> lordievader, have you updated / upgraded since installing the card?
[16:06] <lordievader> BluesKaj, what do you mean?
[16:06] <lordievader> The card has been in there since the fresh install... or do you mean the unplug trick?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> perhaps there module updates for the driver
[16:08] <BluesKaj> some of the newer kernels might have a an updated kernel source driver
[16:08] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Did you try "rm -rf .pulse" then "killall pulseaudio"
[16:09] <BluesKaj> maybe that old trick will , GirlyGirl , but I haven't seen it work in a while
[16:09] <lordievader> BluesKaj, I tried booting into an earlier kernel, same problem. GirlyGirl I'm now rebooting with a fresh install of pulseaudio, after deleting the folder.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok ..bbl , things to do for a few mins
[16:12] <maria_> Everytime I open up File Manager, I get this message: Configuration file "/home/maria/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator. Is there a way to fix this?
[16:13] <GirlyGirl>  maria_Probably bad permissions, did you ever do "sudo dolphin" instead of "kdesudo dolhin"?
[16:14] <maria_> GirlyGirl: Yes, I did Sudo Dolphin
[16:15] <GirlyGirl> maria_: Avoid using sudo for kde applications! It uses config files of your user instead of the root ones
[16:16] <GirlyGirl> maria_: Change the permissions of the dolhinrc file to your user
[16:16] <maria_> GirlyGirl: Ok, so I should use kdesudo instead when I need to?
[16:16] <GirlyGirl> maria_: yes
[16:16] <maria_> GirlyGirl: Is there a way to fix my screwup?
[16:17] <GirlyGirl> maria_: If you don't want to change the file permission and don't mind setting dolphin to default settings, do "rm /home/maria/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc"
[16:17] <lordievader> Hmm the reinstall of pulse didn't fix it... I guess I'll have to switch to my onboard card then... too bad :(
[16:17] <maria_> GirlyGirl: Thank you!
[16:17] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: until precise possibly unless it doesn't work there
[16:18] <lordievader> That would be strange, until a few days ago it did work in (k)ubuntu
[16:18] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Did it stop after an update?
[16:18] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Normally if pulse detects the playback, it should work!
[16:18] <lordievader> Im not really sure when it stopped.
[16:19] <maria_> GirlyGirl: That worked! You are the best, and thank you for explaining the correct command to use.
[16:19] <lordievader> GirlyGirl, that's what I'd say, yet nothing is to be heard.
[16:19] <GirlyGirl> lordievader: Or maybe you can just remove pulseaudio and reboot, it should then use alsa ... if it still doesn't work its probably a bad driver
[16:20] <lordievader> I'll just wait for 12.04, but thanks for the help :)
[16:26] <Mamarok> lordievader: do you have pavucontrol installed?
[16:26] <lordievader> Mamarok, Yes
[16:27] <lordievader> Mamarok, shows it all playing, and everything is all right, just that nothing is heard...
[16:27] <Mamarok> and it outputs to the correct device?
[16:27] <Mamarok> nothing muted in Alsa or KMix?
[16:27] <lordievader> Mamarok, nope.
[16:28] <Mamarok> might be indeed a driver problem, then. Did that card work before?
[16:28] <lordievader> Mamarok, jup it did.
[16:28] <Mamarok> just let me read all the backlog, moment
[16:28] <lordievader> Mamarok, I'll just freshly install 12.04 and untill then use the onboard card...
[16:32] <lordievader> Got to go, thanks for all the help :)
[16:35] <doa> 需要安装老版本的gcc-2.95.2  哪位大牛有经验那
[16:35] <BluesKaj> !cn | doa
[16:37] <doa> sorry
[16:37] <doa> i want wo install gcc-2.95.2, an old release of gcc
[16:38] <doa> who can help me?
[16:38] <GirlyGirl> doa: Why?
[16:39] <doa> I need the version to complile one kind of os kernel calles l4ka
[16:39] <doa> GirlyGirl: do you have any experience?
[16:40] <GirlyGirl> doa: Its a bad idea compiling non ubuntu kernels and using an old version of gcc so it is not recommended nor supported
[16:43] <GirlyGirl> doa: Why do you need another kernel?
[16:44] <doa> l4ka is one kind of microkernel,      I am doing research on it
[16:45] <GirlyGirl> doa: But wait ... l4ka is not a linux kernel and won't work on ubuntu
[16:45] <GirlyGirl> So you do not plan to use the kernel with ubuntu then?
[16:45] <doa> but the l4ka team recommand gcc-2.95.2
[16:46] <GirlyGirl> doa: Use the binary formats here http://www.l4ka.org/154.php no need to compile
[16:46] <GirlyGirl> doa: Also the project seems dead
[16:47] <GirlyGirl> doa: It should compile with newer gcc to possibly
[16:47] <doa> GirlyGirl: maybe, but then?  any non ubuntu question  cannnot be asked here?
[16:48] <GirlyGirl> doa: it can ... like how to compile... I thought you wanted to replace ubuntu's kernel with l4ka
[16:48] <doa> GirlyGirl: I have tryed  ,but failed.  if i Use the binary formats,then i cannot  modify it
[16:49] <GirlyGirl> doa: Doesn't it compile with newer gcc versions?
[16:50] <doa> GirlyGirl:  for now ,I just want to do some research, maybe later i will do something for gnu/hurd
[16:50] <GirlyGirl> doa: Doesn't it compile with newer gcc versions?
[16:51] <doa> http://www.l4ka.org/154.php 。at bottom, it says"To compile L4Ka you need gcc 2.95.2 and binutils 2.9.5"
[16:53] <tsimpson> doa: that's the minimum you need, try with the current version of gcc and binutils
[16:53] <tsimpson> you won't get gcc 2.x unless you compile and install it yourself, which is not exactly trivial
[16:53] <doa> first i should say sorry. my english is so so  I have some trouble in commulating with english
[16:54] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, I can't frehshly install and I've always upgraded the proper way. hmm
[16:54] <GirlyGirl> doa: Try #ubuntu-cn
[16:57] <doa> GirlyGirl: I have tryed the current version of gcc and binutils. but when I completed compile , one programme named roottask is missing.
[16:57] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[16:57] <doa> this is http://www.l4ka.org/120.php
[16:59] <doa> this is  about how to built and boot l4ka http://www.l4ka.org/120.php
[16:59] <doa> no one  answer me on #ubutnu-cn
[17:03] <doa> tsimpson: when I install by myself ,I have trouble
[17:03] <doa> tsimpson: do you have any course about this?
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> Need a video converter for converting videos to mp4 for mobile, i am using a 64 bit OS
[17:07] <tsimpson> doa: sorry, I don't know enough about it to help
[17:09] <doa> tsimpson: ok, thank you anyway
[17:10] <wgosling> 'handbrake' was pretty good and straightforeward last i used it.
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> wgosling: is it in the repository ?
[17:12] <wgosling> It might be. I'm not on a kubuntu machine atm
[17:13] <wgosling> I checked packages.ubuntu.com  and it appears that it is not!
[17:13] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: ffmpeg is pretty easy to use "ffmpeg -i input_file output_file.mp4"
[17:14] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: i used the winff frontend its not working due to some codec problem
[17:14] <phoenix_firebrd> wgosling:  i am going to install from ppa
[17:18] <phoenix_firebrd> wgosling: handbrake doesnt have a ppa for 12.04
[17:19] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, if you don't mind using the cli , ffmpeg can convert the file to mp4 , just name the target file  .mp4
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: let me try
[17:21] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1839841/convert-a-video-to-mp4-h-264-aac-with-ffmpeg
[17:21] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, just an example ^
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: that says h264 conversion is not possible due to patent issues
[17:23] <Aprogas> Using kde-config-grub2 (kcm-grub2) I am trying to change the colors of GRUB2 to green (in the appearance tab), yet GRUB2 stays lightblue. Other changes (e.g. resolution or default-boot) do get applied.
[17:25] <Aprogas> My color changes do get written to /etc/default/grub but I'm not sure whether GRUB reads that file.
[17:26] <wgosling> Hmm. Try running `sudo update-grub` and see if that fixes things. The kcm probably isn't running that (and it should, imo).
[17:27] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: already installed
[17:28] <Aprogas> The output of update-grub2 looks very similar to the Details-dropdown in the KCM after pressing Apply.
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: going to try x264
[17:29] <Aprogas> I still have the blue colors instead of green. I'm thinking maybe the colors only apply to text-mode, or some sort of theme is overriding them.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, mp4 is apple , you may have to convert to another codec that works on your mobile device
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc is providing x264
[17:31] <BluesKaj> cool
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:31] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, good to know , I haven't used vlc to convert in a while , I'll have to check it out
[17:33] <BluesKaj> not that i need to ..no smart phones , just plain cell phone here
[17:34] <nimdae> добрый вечер всем )
[17:34] <Unit193> !ru
[17:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: nice, i do use my phone for just calls, its for my friend. I don't want to get my eyes spoiled :)
[17:58] <Aprogas> Apparently the blue background in GRUB is actually "/black" which means transparent. It's a different shade of blue than the GRUB colors blue/lightblue/cyan.
[18:00] <Aprogas> I'm thinking the 05-debian-theme file does not honour the colors in /etc/default/grub in most circumstances.
[18:22] <maria_> I just added a second user on my PC running Kubuntu 11.10. Is there a way to have a drop down box so I don't have to type in the usernames everytime when signing in?
[18:26] <Aprogas> In System Settings > Login Screen there are options Show list and Autocompletion. They may be of use to you.
[18:28] <maria_> Aprogas: Thank you
[18:31] <phoenix_firebrd> maria_: disable themed greeter and use dialog
[18:32] <maria_> phoenix_firebrd: OK, do I do that in system settings/login screen?
[18:34] <maria_> phoenix_firebrd: I found it. So if I just uncheck the box it should work?
[18:41] <ct529> BluesKaj: yofel: Ping!
[18:41] <yofel> pong (somewhat, I'm rather busy right now)
[18:43] <ct529> I was wondering whether you used nvidia-current from the may rep or from x-swat rep
[18:43] <yofel> neither, I use nouveau
[18:43] <yofel> In the past I used the one from x-updates though
[19:31] <ja> lol
[20:04]  * ybit waves hello
[20:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello ybit
[20:12] <HelenB> My dogs name us Rudy and he is very rude. :(
[20:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> your dog is rude tooooo?
[20:13]  * mydogsnameisrudy gets some icecream
[20:13] <ybit> just be glad you have a dog, last one i had was ran over 5 times and attacked twice by larger dogs.. needless to say, he's not around
[20:14]  * HelenB gets a bag and puts it over mydogsnameisrudy's head then cable ties it
[20:14] <ybit> aww :)
[20:14] <ybit> hi martinphone
[20:15] <martinphone> hi ybit
[20:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> rudy is a redbone coon hound big enough to handle himself
[20:16] <HelenB> mydogsnameisrudy, Could he crush me?
[20:16] <HelenB> ybit, You're doing something wrong if your dog was able to get run over 5 times.
[20:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> could yes , would he no he is to nice
[20:17] <ybit> hah :D
[20:17]  * HelenB thinks that ybit pushes his dog into the road before a car drives past
[20:19] <HelenB> tsimpson, Heeey! :3
[20:19] <tsimpson> hello
[20:19] <HelenB> tsimpson, What does the FloodBots do?
[20:19] <HelenB> :o
[20:19] <tsimpson> it helps protect the channel from floods and some other "attacks"
[20:20] <HelenB> tsimpson, Please can I test it in my private channel?
[20:20] <HelenB> I really want to.
[20:20] <tsimpson> sorry, the code isn't available yet
[20:20] <HelenB> no I mean...
[20:20] <HelenB> you join a bot
[20:21] <tsimpson> they only operate in one channel
[20:21] <HelenB> :(
[20:21] <HelenB> When is the code available?
[20:21] <HelenB> :o
[20:21] <GirlyGirl> HelenB: tomorrow never comes
[20:21] <tsimpson> there is no time line for it, but it's in the process of being open-sourced
[20:21] <HelenB> YES! :D
[20:22] <HelenB> Atleast I know it will be open source.
[20:22] <HelenB> tsimpson, What is it wrote in?
[20:22] <tsimpson> PHP
[20:22] <HelenB> and hello GirlyGirl! :3
[20:22] <HelenB> tsimpson, EXCELLIENT!
[20:23] <tsimpson> wow, someone who likes to program applications in PHP, you are a rare breed
[20:25]  * GirlyGirl always thought the bots were python based
[20:25] <BluesKaj> snake bots
[20:26] <HelenB> GirlyGirl, Python is just as powerful
[20:26] <HelenB> erm
[20:26] <HelenB> PHP sorry
[20:26] <HelenB> tsimpson, I sent you an invite. :3
[20:52] <ybit> what's the process of configuring all your connections to go through a local proxy?
[20:52] <ybit> i'm guessing it has to do something with this screen and maybe something else http://image.bayimg.com/oaoanaada.jpg
[20:58] <ybit> i'm trying to configure all my traffic to go through tor
[21:00] <tsimpson> !tor
[21:00] <tsimpson> ybit: see the above link
[21:02] <ybit> tsimpson: installing and using isn't a problem
[21:04] <ybit> i'm wondering if by specifying a socks host i'm actually using the installed proxy with all connections
[21:04] <ybit> s/host/proxy
[21:30] <mcamaret> using the icon-only task manager plasmoid, is it possible to make a launcher matching rule mandatory so that I can make chromium webapps come up under their own icon?
[21:30] <mcamaret> I would like to see readability as readability, not another chromium window.
[21:51] <computeruser> anyone connecting to NFS server using WiFI in Kubuntu 12.04?
[22:21] <user26> Hello. I'm running Beta2 and it appears that my screen resolution is bigger than where my mouse can go, because I am no longer able to use edge effects. Is there a way to fix this?
[22:26] <avihay> user26: I think you can manually redefine your geometry with xrandr
[22:27] <user26> avihay: I tried to set it a few pixels short but it said it wasn't an acceptable resolution.
[22:28] <avihay> and there's a dedicated channel to the next version that might supply you with more information. something like #ubuntu+1 I don't know the KDE equivlent
[22:29] <wgosling> user26: can your mouse move past any of the edges of your screen?
[22:30] <avihay> I havn't played that much with xrandr, but you can set the resolution of the real screen and the virtual screen separately, the real screen should have real world limits, and you should be able to set the virtual one to what you want/need and set up follow mouse or something like that
[22:31] <user26> wgosling: Negative. But when I set it for a lower resolution the screen edges work as expected.
[22:36] <user26> avihay: That doesn't seem to do it either.
[22:36] <avihay> :-<
[22:43] <user26> avihay: The really weird thing is that the "switch desktop on edge" function does work when it is enabled.


[04:27] <micahg> Unit193: I'm still here, just lots of stuff going on
[18:14] <Guest37175> help
[18:15] <Guest37175> ls


[08:50] <xranby> ndec: ping, hi the LWJGL people wonder if you have any available documentation on the extensions: GL_OES_required_internalformat , GL_IMG_texture_stream2 , GL_IMG_texture_npot and GL_IMG_texture_format_BGRA8888  since they are not part of the official GLES registry http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/
[08:50] <xranby> ndec: the request for more information about these extensions was made on this forum thread: http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4237.0.html
[10:04] <xranby> ndec: pbt, i notice that opengl-es 2.0 performance on the panda board almost double if i run my tests using a windowmanager that do not use compositing effects.  i now get areound 250fps on the gears benchmark when running xfce4
[10:04] <xranby> btw
[10:05] <xranby> compared to areound 130fps when running unity
[10:08] <Amaranth> :(
[10:08] <ndec> xranby: you meant unity2d?
[10:08] <Amaranth> Yeah, the GPU can't really do unity at 1080p
[10:09] <Amaranth> I mean, it works, but don't do any other 3D stuff
[10:10] <ndec> Amaranth: do you have a PPA for unity 3D on panda?
[10:10] <Amaranth> nope, not yet
[10:10] <ndec> when do you think there will be one?
[10:11] <Amaranth> Well, I need to make a release in a couple days
[10:11]  * lilstevie is looking forward to unity with es
[10:11] <Amaranth> The goal is to have unity in the 11.10 Linaro release and in a PPA for oneiric by UDS
[10:12] <ndec> ok.
[10:12] <ndec> how well/bad is it working now?
[10:12] <Amaranth> hehe, trying to figure out some changes to nux
[10:13] <Amaranth> and for some reason my VM can no longer run any GL stuff
[10:17] <xranby> ndec: yes i get half performance when running unity2d :/
[10:18] <Amaranth> oh, unity2d
[10:18] <Amaranth> that's not even using a compositor...
[10:18] <ndec> is compositing (xrender) enabled by default on unity2d/metacity?
[10:18] <lilstevie> I wonder how it would run on the tegra2 :p
[10:18] <xranby> Amaranth: interesting
[10:19] <Amaranth> ndec: I don't think so
[10:19] <ndec> xranby: we've seen that as well. using the standard gnome fallback perf is much better too.
[10:19] <ndec> so there is something with unity2d
[10:19] <xranby> 8thavatar
[10:19] <xranby> hmm..
[10:20] <xranby> ok now all now my password for my dev boards
[10:20] <xranby> wrong keyboard
[10:21] <ndec> kernel.org problems could have started like that ;-)
[10:22] <lilstevie> lol
[10:22] <lilstevie> that would be an entropy issue
[10:23] <ogra_> metacity defaults to composite in oneiric
[10:23] <lilstevie> using the same password everywhere
[10:23] <xranby> ogra_: can i somehow disable it?
[10:23] <ogra_> but has all effects patched out
[10:23] <ogra_> install dconf-editor
[10:23] <xranby> ogra_: i would like to test if i can tewak unity2d to double the fps
[10:23] <xranby> ok
[10:23] <ogra_> it should have a setting for that, but your unity-2d will look horrible i think
[10:24] <ogra_> (metacity doesnt use the compositor, but unity-2d does a lot)
[10:25] <ndec> ogra_: i remember looking at this setting in gconf-editor..
[10:25] <ogra_> right, gconf-is gone though
[10:25] <ndec> but the setting was still there, iirc...
[10:25] <ogra_> form a former install ?
[10:26]  * ndec checking...
[10:26] <ogra_> it shouldnt be there on new installs and it shouldnt be used at all anymore
[10:26] <ndec> ogra_: ok... i don't have a former install, i dist-upgraded since alpha 1 or 2
[10:26] <ogra_> right
[10:26] <ogra_> thats what i mean :)
[10:27] <xranby> ndec: are there any available public documentation on the extensions: GL_OES_required_internalformat , GL_IMG_texture_stream2 , GL_IMG_texture_npot and GL_IMG_texture_format_BGRA8888 ?
[10:27] <ogra_> if you installed a dev image it might be that the setting is still idling around on your disk *especially* if you once touched it with gconf-editor
[10:27] <ndec> it's dconf-tools, not dconf-editor ;-)
[10:27] <ogra_> the app is dconf-editor ;)
[10:28] <ndec> xranby: don't know. robclark any idea? [when you wake up...]
[10:28] <ogra_> sorry,yes, tha package name differs
[10:29] <ndec> ogra_: are you sure there is a config for compositing in dconf?
[10:29] <ogra_> it should be
[10:30] <ndec> there is no search function?
[10:31] <ogra_> no idea i only used that app twice
[10:31] <ogra_> and its hirribly jumpy on the right pane
[10:32] <ndec> ogra_: where are the dconf files?
[10:32] <ndec> it will be easier to grep...
[10:33] <ogra_> look in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[10:33] <ogra_> though these are the uncomplied files, if you make changes there you need to compile the whole stuff again
[10:33]  * ogra_ likes gconf a lot more
[10:34] <ndec> grep compositing /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/* --> nothing
[10:35] <ndec> ogra_: it seems that totem and gst still rely on gconf.
[10:35] <ndec> is that correct?
[10:35] <ogra_> afaik we dont even install gconfd anymore
[10:35] <ogra_> desktop team would know
[10:36] <ogra_> but i also seem to not find anything
[10:42] <ndec> ogra_: i think gconf is still used somewhere... in our release we change the default videosink for GST/totem using gconf, and it's working. but in dconf this setting is not visible...
[10:42]  * ndec is a bit lost ;-) so going for lunch...
[10:42] <xranby> ogra_: i can make speed go from 130 fps to around 190 fps by killing Metacity
[10:43] <ogra_> xranby, well, file a bug :)
[10:43] <xranby> still a bit to go before i reach 250fps that i get using xfce45
[10:43] <xranby> xfce4
[10:43] <ogra_> ndec, they are two different DBs
[10:43] <ogra_> ndec, and gsettings/dconf uses a binary format
[10:43] <ndec> xranby: which app are you using?
[10:44] <xranby> ndec: im using LWJGL java bindings
[10:44] <xranby> for opengl-es
[10:44] <xranby> ndec: im preparing a package to get the new LWJGL version into the archive that have opengl-es 2.0 support
[10:49] <xranby> ndec: to test yourself.. if you trust me then you can get a patche LWJGL sourcetree here : http://openjdk.gudinna.com/lwjgl-es/LWJGL-svn-r3678-bin.tar.gz
[10:49] <xranby> it contains the latest LWJGL svn tree patched and built
[10:50] <xranby> it contains a little script   test-es2.0.sh
[10:51] <xranby> if you have oneiric installed you need to change the start of all command lines  from   java   to java -zero   (since jamvm will not have support to run this unless ubuntu pulls in the nev version from upstream)
[11:06] <Amaranth> xranby, ogra_: afaik metacity will uses gconf
[11:07] <ogra_> Amaranth, well, according to the desktop theam they got rid of gconf in 11.10
[11:07] <Amaranth> err, still
[11:07] <Amaranth> metacity certainly still links to libgconf
[11:07] <ogra_> Amaranth, oh, btw, have you seen the willow mail
[11:07] <Amaranth> I don't think so
[11:08] <Amaranth> I thought I gave someone else admin on the team in launchpad and they took it over
[11:08] <ogra_> you gave me admin
[11:08] <ogra_> but i cant make the guy who asked admin, seems onla the team owner can ... make him the owner ;)
[11:09] <ogra_> and hand the team over to him, so we both can resign
[11:09] <Amaranth> glenstewart?
[11:09] <ogra_> yep
[11:10] <Amaranth> done
[11:13] <robclark> xranby, if what you are doing is purely bandwidth limited, then of course compositing wm will cut fps quite a bit..    for metacity xrender compositing it amounts to 2 more copies
[11:14] <robclark> although normally there isn't much point in going faster than 60fps (if you are vsync locked)
[11:16] <ogra_> Amaranth, thanks !
[11:21] <xranby> robclark: ok, did you see my question above reguarding documentation for some of the drivers extensions?
[11:22] <robclark> I'll have to ask around.. off top of my head I'm not sure
[11:43] <jondo> Hi ogra! Can you have a look at my comment to bug 871650? rsalveti asked me to try something and I don't know exactly which files to use.
[11:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 871650 in linux ""unable to enumerate USB device" with BeagleBoard-xM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871650
[11:43] <ogra_> jondo, well, i saw your comment, why dont you just wait until rsalveti gets up
[11:44] <ogra_> though testing with linaro might be intresting, could be that we miss a patch or something
[11:44] <jondo> Sure, I'll wait.
[11:51] <dabukalam> what's the difference between uncompressing and unpacking a tar.gz file? If I'm told to uncompress but NOT unpack...
[11:52] <ogra_> dabukalam, heh, who tells you that ?
[11:52]  * ogra_ would say its the same
[11:57] <dabukalam> ogra_: that's why I'm a bit confused.
[11:57] <dabukalam> ogra_: look under 'procedure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[11:57] <ogra_> well, who gave you that info
[11:58] <ogra_> oh, wait, its a tar.GZ
[11:58] <dabukalam> yeah
[11:58] <ogra_> you can uncompress it
[11:58] <ogra_> but still keep it a tarball
[11:58] <dabukalam> how?
[11:59] <dabukalam> ogra_: how?
[11:59] <ogra_> gunzip
[12:00] <dabukalam> ogra_: wicked, thanks
[12:00] <ogra_> for step 1 you use gunzip
[12:00] <ogra_> for step 3 you use tar
[12:03] <dabukalam> ogra_: yup, got it. Not sure why I can't just tar here then copy the stuff over. Technically the same thing right?
[12:05] <diwic> ...or why one can't skip step 1, then uncompress/untar in one step
[12:06] <ogra_> right, thats a weird howto
[12:06] <dabukalam> yeah. I think the guy the wrote it is confused. also you can only get to that page with /Core not /core. weird
[12:06] <dabukalam> cba to change it
[12:07] <ogra_> fixed
[12:09] <dabukalam> ogra_: nice :)
[12:10] <dabukalam> ogra_: now I'm also a bit confused when it says install boot-loader and install linux
[12:10] <dabukalam> ogra_: that's not included in core?
[12:10] <ogra_> no
[12:10] <ogra_> core is a rootfs, no configuration, no users, no setup or anything
[12:10] <ogra_> it is supposed to be the base for people building other stuff on top of it
[12:11] <ogra_> like .i.e a car entertainment system, or a settop box or some such, where you dont have users and put your own UI on top
[12:11] <dabukalam> ogra_: yeah. I'm installing this on a i.MX53 board
[12:11] <dabukalam> I just wanna see a command line
[12:12] <dabukalam> so when it says install linux and boot-loader
[12:12] <dabukalam> i get grub and install it on there
[12:12] <ogra_> you need to know how to do that for your HW
[12:12] <ogra_> no
[12:12] <ogra_> grub doesnt support arm
[12:12] <dabukalam> ah
[12:12] <dabukalam> so i'll find an alternative
[12:12] <ogra_> thats something you need to know in advance, else core is not for you
[12:12] <dabukalam> any suggestions?
[12:12] <ogra_> you should know your HW in and out for using core
[12:13] <dabukalam> ogra_: ok.
[12:13] <ogra_> if you dont want to use the mx5 images (assuming you have a quickstart board there), and actually need headless, i would go for linaro for now
[12:13] <ogra_> the mx5 images for the quickstart we offer ship a desktop by default
[12:16] <dabukalam> i have a quick start board
[12:16] <ogra_> well, either use the mx5 image then or if you want headless your best option is one of the linaro dev images
[12:16] <dabukalam> i'm not new to linux, but i'm new to arm, but I need to learn fast :/
[12:17] <dabukalam> a linaro dev image would be a linux kernel or a boot-loader?
[12:17] <dabukalam> from what i've understood linaro provides tools.
[12:17] <ogra_> the mx5 image is really trivial to use and you can remove the desktop afterwards if you want (just uninstall the X libs and the rest will vanish along)
[12:18] <dabukalam> oh cool.
[12:18] <ogra_> for linaro images, ask linaro  :)
[12:18] <dabukalam> so basically ubuntu core is just a bunch of packages
[12:18] <ogra_> yes
[12:18] <dabukalam> i see
[12:18] <ogra_> its the most minimal OS you need to run apt
[12:18] <ogra_> nothing more
[12:19] <dabukalam> cool cool. So if I wanted I could install any apt-based distro
[12:19] <ogra_> no.
[12:19] <ogra_> thats not how distros work
[12:20] <dabukalam> a distro is linux + bootloader + packages?
[12:20] <ogra_> you can install ubuntu packages
[12:20] <ogra_> but would run into issues with other apt based systems
[12:20] <ogra_> a distro is far more than a kernel and packages :)
[12:20] <ogra_> also your packages are compiled against certinal librabies
[12:21] <ogra_> *libraries
[12:21] <ogra_> you cant just take a .deb from ubuntu to debian or the other way round, you will need all depending packages too ... and in the end you end up with two versions of essential libs and your system might stop working
[12:22] <ogra_> so just having the apt command doesnt mean you can use any apt based distro out there
[12:22] <ogra_> (btw, i think fedora ahs apt as well, though its not .deb based at all)
[12:23] <dabukalam> yeah i get that
[12:23] <dabukalam> so wait android is what then?
[12:23] <dabukalam> i custom kernel? or a distro or what?
[12:23] <dabukalam> *A
[12:24] <ogra_> *somethingÜ
[12:24] <ogra_> :)
[12:24] <ogra_> no idea what i would call android ... its not linux, its not a distro ...
[12:24] <ogra_> it is an OS though
[12:24] <ogra_> :)
[12:25] <dabukalam> it's an android
[12:25] <dabukalam> ^^
[12:25] <ogra_> heh
[12:27] <lilstevie> heh
[12:27] <lilstevie> Android is an entire OS
[12:27] <lilstevie> the only similarities is it uses the linux kernel
[12:28] <ogra_> lilstevie, well, some few bits of the linux kernel :)
[12:28] <lilstevie> heh
[12:28] <lilstevie> the base is the linux kernel
[12:28] <ogra_> sure sure
[12:28] <dabukalam> so it's basically a linux-like OS?
[12:28] <lilstevie> with specific android patches
[12:28] <ogra_> yes
[12:29] <lilstevie> essentially
[12:29] <ogra_> or a linux "based" OS
[12:29] <lilstevie> minus libc
[12:29] <dabukalam> is ntldr compatible with arm?
[12:29] <ogra_> missing libc doent mean its not linux ;)
[12:30] <ogra_> there are linuxes using other C libs
[12:30] <ogra_> dabukalam, ntldr is for widows NT
[12:30] <dabukalam> oh
[12:30] <ogra_> (no that wasnt a typo :P )
[12:30] <dabukalam> nvm
[12:30] <dabukalam> another question
[12:30] <dabukalam> debian squeeze
[12:30] <dabukalam> is the equivalent of ubuntu core?
[12:31] <ogra_> no
[12:31] <ogra_> its a release name
[12:31] <ogra_> like the recent ubuntu release was called oneiric ocelot until release
[12:31] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MX5 has the instructions for the mx5 images btw
[12:32] <ogra_> (the install is a one liner)
[12:32] <dabukalam> i've done that before on a beagleboard
[12:32] <ndec> ogra_: i confirm that metacity still uses gconf...
[12:32] <dabukalam> but this needs to be ubuntu core
[12:33] <dabukalam> that would install oneiric wouldn't it?
[12:33] <ogra_> what did the desktopteam say ?
[12:33] <ogra_> ndec, ^^
[12:33] <ndec> i didn't ask them... i tried on my board ;-)
[12:33] <ogra_> dabukalam, yes
[12:33] <ogra_> ndec, ah
[12:33] <dabukalam> ogra_: so I'm thinking U-boot then :)
[12:33] <ogra_> dabukalam, ubuntu core is also oneiric
[12:33] <dabukalam> ogra_: I don't want the excess packages
[12:34] <dabukalam> ogra_: my assignment is to get core running on an MX and list the packages
[12:34] <ogra_> thats why i said take the mx5 image and remove them
[12:34] <ogra_> that will be easier than spending two weeks on learning how arm systems boot linux
[12:34] <dabukalam> ogra_: the whole point is for me to spend 2 weeks learning about arm :P
[12:34] <dabukalam> ogra_: playing catchup
[12:34] <ogra_> ah
[12:34] <ogra_> k
[12:35] <ogra_> so still, take an mx5 image first
[12:35] <ogra_> put it on your SD card
[12:35] <ogra_> wipe the second partiton (forst one is for kernel and bootloader) and put core on the second instead of the existing rootfs
[12:36] <ogra_> that should give you a working core image
[12:36] <dabukalam> brilliant
[12:36] <dabukalam> that's a great idea
[12:36] <dabukalam> hope that goes down well with big brother
[12:36] <dabukalam> i'll get back to you :P
[12:36] <ogra_> k
[12:36] <ogra_> good luck
[12:36] <dabukalam> thanks a lot
[12:47] <rsalveti> jondo: just posted at the bug again, please check my comment there
[12:47] <dabukalam> ogra_: out of interest, how complicated would it be to get the kernel and bootloader and put them on there?
[12:48] <ogra_> dabukalam, if you know what you are doing its not to hard
[12:48] <rsalveti> xranby: you can enable and disable compositing with metacity by calling it with -c or with --no-composite
[12:48] <ogra_> dabukalam, but to inspect the setup using an existing known to work image is the best start
[12:48] <rsalveti> if you call it with --replace it'll also replace your current metacity
[12:49]  * ogra_ susüpects it will look really bad though
[12:49] <dabukalam> ogra_: oh dea
[12:49] <dabukalam> ogra_: I just realised no go
[12:49] <dabukalam> ogra_: it's a 2M card
[12:50] <ogra_> will still work
[12:50] <dabukalam> okay
[12:50] <ogra_> though it will corrup the rootfs durign write ... but since you want to replace that anyway ....
[12:51] <dabukalam> ah
[12:51] <dabukalam> so i'm expecting an error
[12:51] <dabukalam> ;)
[12:52] <ogra_> right, i think the uncompressed image is something like 2.2G so it will fall off the SD at the end of writing
[12:52] <dabukalam> ogra_: i think this is a crappy SD card as well
[12:52] <ogra_> but that doesnt matter, dd does a binary copy and all you are intrested in is the first partition
[12:53] <dabukalam> so I could be here all day with this dd command
[12:57] <NekoXP> just dd bs=1M count=256 and sudo parted /dev/blah and delete the second partition and recreate it
[12:57] <NekoXP> or do the whole thing and do parted.. you might not be able to resize a partition to fit a card if it goes over, it causes a bunch of unrecoverable errors, so best just to delete it
[12:58] <NekoXP> you may want to loopmount the sd card image just to get /lib/modules off
[13:04] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: ping ping
[13:05] <lilstevie> shadeslayer: pong
[13:05] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: are you the same guy who put Ubuntu on the Asus transformer
[13:06] <lilstevie> yes
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ah awesome! I'm trying to boot kubuntu off it, and was wondering if you could point me to any instructions that i can use to build my own rootfs and bootimg ... or is following the wiki enough?
[13:07] <lilstevie> well, it isn't too difficult
[13:08] <lilstevie> rootfs is the matter of making a loop mounted image
[13:08] <lilstevie> putting what you need inside it
[13:08] <lilstevie> and uploading
[13:08] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: oh and I'd like to dual boot it, so can i use the exact same script you posted on xda developers with a different rootfs?
[13:09] <lilstevie> ok, well for the case of kubuntu replace initrd in ./ubuntu/
[13:09] <lilstevie> and replace ubuntu.img with your rootfs
[13:09] <lilstevie> just remember the size that the image I did is, is the largest that nvflash will handle
[13:10] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[13:10] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: and can't I create the rootfs with rootstock?
[13:11] <lilstevie> you can create the fs however you like
[13:11] <lilstevie> I have just had problems with using rootstock on the later releases
[13:11] <shadeslayer> problems?
[13:12] <rsalveti> now that we have qemu support at live-build we should really start pointing people to use it instead of rootstock
[13:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, btw, since someone mentioned it above, what do we do with rootstock ?
[13:12] <lilstevie> yeah, like not creating a working image
[13:12] <ogra_> i would like to remove it from the archive in precision
[13:12] <lilstevie> hanging on xulrunner
[13:12] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, live-build should be able to replace it just fine
[13:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, cross build is possible ?
[13:12] <ogra_> and you can define all settings in advance ?
[13:12] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, was pushed last week I believe
[13:13] <ogra_> like user, hostname etc
[13:13] <shadeslayer> so ... i shuld use live build instead ?
[13:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, that's how we do with linaro images
[13:13] <ogra_> awesome
[13:13] <ogra_> someone should write an ubuntu howto then :)
[13:13] <ogra_> especially how you create bootable ubuntu images :)
[13:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, will try to have that posted soon, so we can point people there later
[13:14] <ogra_> since i dont think l-b can handle that at all
[13:14] <rsalveti> and finally remove rootstock from precise
[13:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, all our images are created with l-b :-)
[13:14] <ogra_> rsalveti, and you should really poke your guys to use tasks instead of metapackages to not end up will all packages marked as manually installed
[13:14] <rsalveti> and currently we're just using upstream
[13:14] <rsalveti> without any patch on top
[13:15] <ogra_> rsalveti, your images are dd'able without any further touching directly out of l-b ?
[13:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, we'll probably end up using both
[13:15] <ogra_> both ?
[13:15] <ogra_> both what ?
[13:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: because we have a few images
[13:15] <rsalveti> meta and task
[13:15] <ogra_> you should nevr ever use meta in images
[13:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, tgall_foo is implementing support for linaro-media-create
[13:15] <ogra_> k
[13:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, isn't it?
[13:16] <ogra_> in the archive there is a meta, yes
[13:16] <ogra_> iots not used on any images
[13:16] <ogra_> (hasnt been since 2006 i think)
[13:16] <rsalveti> so the task installs the meta I believe
[13:17] <ogra_> yes, meta is part of the task
[13:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: but you could also add another extension at live-build to have a dd'able image if you want
[13:17] <ogra_> no, thanks
[13:17] <rsalveti> shouldn't be that hard
[13:17] <rsalveti> and I know some folks from canonical are creating a similar support for cloud based images
[13:17] <ogra_> i'm busy enough keeping debina-cd/cdimage running
[13:17] <rsalveti> the same folk who added support for qemu
[13:18] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: more questions, do i need to run the apply_tegra_* scripts when i build my rootfs from l-b ?
[13:19] <lilstevie> apply_tegra_* scripts?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> apply_tegra_binaries.sh  apply_tegra_X_abi.sh
[13:19] <tgall_foo> ogra_, the disk image support in live-build I wouldn't doubt will support arm in some capacity at some point ...
[13:20] <shadeslayer> from the linux4tegra ldk
[13:20] <tgall_foo> ogra_, to me seems like a good idea for "everyone" :-)
[13:20] <ogra_> tgall_foo, yes, i thought so
[13:20] <ogra_> not really, unless its properly integrated with all the testing mechanisms of cdimage/debian-cd
[13:20] <ogra_> so it wont help me for images
[13:20] <ogra_> but it will help me to get rid of rootstock :)
[13:21] <ogra_> with is a primal target atm :)
[13:21] <rsalveti> yup :-)
[13:21] <ogra_> we will port all our stuff to debian-installer btw
[13:21] <ogra_> jasper etc
[13:21] <ogra_> and probably switch back to real live images if someone can make the copying speedier
[13:25] <lilstevie> shadeslayer: unless you are using the CrOS kernel and u-boot hell no
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hah, ok
[13:25] <lilstevie> it will prevent X from starting if you do not have the right kernel with the right interfaces
[13:27] <dabukalam> ogra_: okay it's done. http://i.imgur.com/HAUjE.jpg. As you can see, there are 3 partitions now. The one I've labelled core is the third one right? And I'm to delete everything in there and just copy over the core directory.
[13:35] <robclark> xranby, this is the answer I got re: GL extensions:
[13:35] <robclark> As a rule of thumb if they are not listed in the registry at the Khronos
[13:35] <robclark> site then IMG is not making then publically available anywhere else.
[13:35] <robclark> http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/
[13:36] <xranby> robclark: ok, well then there are no docs..   i got the question from the lwjgl people because they where not part of the gles registry :)
[13:39] <xranby> robclark: thank you for asking around
[13:41] <robclark> fyi xranby, http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/apps_processors/OMAP35x_AM35x_Video_Texture_Streaming/1_0/index_FDS.html
[13:41] <robclark> some example of one of those extensions
[13:42] <xranby> robclark: thank you
[13:42] <robclark> np
[14:08] <xranby> robclark: i have managed to find some example code / hits for most of the extensions now http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4237.0.html         its onle  GL_OES_required_internalformat  that we still know nothing about
[14:22] <dabukalam> okay just installed oneiric on an MX5
[14:22] <dabukalam> anyone know what the user/pass might be?
[14:22] <NekoXP> HOOOOOWWWWW?????
[14:22] <NekoXP> my Quickstarts are refusing to get a display on the damn Oneiric dailies
[14:22] <dabukalam> NekoXP: don't get too excited I'm pretty sure it didn't work
[14:22] <dabukalam> but I just need a user/pass
[14:22] <NekoXP> ubuntu/ubuntu maybe
[14:23] <dabukalam> tried that :P
[14:24] <NekoXP> can you mount the SD on the PC and see what /etc/passwd contains? that'll give you a hint to the username
[14:24] <NekoXP> it could be oem/oem
[14:24] <dabukalam> it's ubuntu core
[14:24] <NekoXP> oh
[14:24] <dabukalam> not oneiric
[14:24] <dabukalam> sorry i should have said that before
[14:24] <NekoXP> ubuntu core has no users set up
[14:25] <dabukalam> yeah so how do i get in?
[14:25] <NekoXP> usually, boot oneiric, chroot in to the core filesystem and "useradd"
[14:25] <dabukalam> AAAAAAAAAAh
[14:25] <dabukalam> seriously?!!?
[14:26] <NekoXP> failing that, root with no password maaayyyy work at a shell
[14:26] <NekoXP> but I am not sure if ttymxc0 is in securetty
[14:26] <NekoXP> so it would fail even if you could
[14:26] <dabukalam> no
[14:26] <dabukalam> it's a localhost.localdomain login
[14:26] <dabukalam> so there's obviously no users
[14:26] <NekoXP> yeah it's pretty raw
[14:26] <dabukalam> haha
[14:26] <dabukalam> i just want a ^%$ing package list
[14:26] <NekoXP> you're meant to be a super expert in all things ubuntu to be able to use ubuntu core :D
[14:26] <NekoXP> oh
[14:26] <dabukalam> yeah so i've heard
[14:27] <NekoXP> from repos or as already installed?
[14:27] <dabukalam> already installed
[14:27] <dabukalam> on core
[14:27] <NekoXP> because /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list will give you the list of installed packages
[14:27] <dabukalam> yeah
[14:27] <dabukalam> or spkg -l
[14:27] <dabukalam> *d
[14:28] <NekoXP> if you have oneiric booted just chroot into the core filesystem, and then dpkg -l from there, it'll work
[14:28] <dabukalam> no oneiric
[14:28] <dabukalam> it's just core
[14:28] <NekoXP> you really do kind of need to boot an arm system to get into the chroot and that's the easiest way to do it since there's an mx5 image
[14:28] <NekoXP> FSL's BSP SD card will do just as well
[14:29] <NekoXP> just chroot into the core fs and mount your binds for dev and sys and remount proc inside, chroot in, and play pretend :D
[14:29] <NekoXP> that said I don't think dpkg cares about proc, dev, sys
[14:29] <NekoXP> so you could skip it
[14:30] <dabukalam> in order to chroot into this core install, I need to have it plugged in to another system.
[14:30] <dabukalam> I could just use my laptop right?
[14:30] <dabukalam> add a user
[14:30] <dabukalam> and boot again
[14:32] <xranby> dabukalam: if you ar running a arm laptop then sure
[14:33] <xranby> dabukalam: an old trick are to edit the /etc/passwd file and remove x from the password field      root:x: ...  ->   root:: ...
[14:34] <xranby> it will make you able to login as root without password
[14:36] <dabukalam> xranby: trying that
[14:38] <dabukalam> cool beans
[14:38] <dabukalam> worked ^^
[14:38] <dabukalam> xranby: thanks
[15:16] <soren> W/Win 12
[15:16] <soren> nice
[19:39] <NekoXP> hello ubuntu-arm people! anyone here got any insight into the preinstalled dailies image creation?
[19:53] <GrueMaster> NekoXP: You should talk to Infiinity about that when he gets back on Wednesday.
[19:54] <GrueMaster> He has been working to make community images easier to push into the daily build workflow.
[19:54] <GrueMaster> iirc.
[19:58] <NekoXP> I was curious why the images are of varying sizes (mx5, omap and omap4 are something around 516, 522, 517 4M blocks)and why they are slightly bigger than 2GB even though there is somewhat less data on the actual filesystem.. in fact around 160MB left and a preconfigured (sigh) 512MB swap file. This would actually fit on a 2GB SD card if it wasn't trying to keep so much space around..
[19:59] <NekoXP> considering all of them absolutely bite for SD card performance why preconfigure swap there? it's not needed for getting into the desktop
[20:01] <NekoXP> you have to access the sd card anyway from another system to make a login user or unprotect root anyway so shipping it with 512MB of empty swap is kind of odd
[20:05] <GrueMaster> NekoXP: First, the size variances are probably kernel/initrd/u-boot variances, second, we have a little padding on the images for the oem-config process to work with, third, swap is needed on systems with less than 1G memory (beagle/beagleXM/even mx5 quickstart).
[20:05] <GrueMaster> Why do you need a separated system to make a login user?
[20:06] <GrueMaster> And how do you do that if you are a windows user trying to develop on one of the supported platforms?
[20:09] <NekoXP> because they all ship with root:x:blah in passwd and no login user, only daemon users
[20:09] <NekoXP> GrueMaster, I guess you'd use a linux VM and a USB SD card reader filtered in to it
[20:09] <NekoXP> I'm not saying it's all good, I'm complaining :D
[20:09] <GrueMaster> Hence why oem-config runs on first boot and prompts you for user info.
[20:10] <NekoXP> as for the need for swap for systems with less than 1GB of memory, horse shit. You couldn't use 512MB memory for oem-config and first desktop boot even if you tried.
[20:11] <GrueMaster> I do daily testing on beagle (256M), beagleXM (512M), mx53 Quickstart (768M?) and Toshiba AC100 (512M).  Don't tell me they will work w/o swap.
[20:11] <NekoXP> oem-config doesn't run on any of them on any image in the last 2 weeks
[20:11] <GrueMaster> ???  Have you even tried our images?
[20:12] <NekoXP> yes, dailies, every day up until the day after release :D
[20:12] <GrueMaster> Not some crap downloaded from a non-ubuntu site.
[20:12] <NekoXP> on my beagle, panda and quickstart
[20:13] <GrueMaster> You ran ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+mx5.img.gz from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/ and you didn't get prompted on screen for user/locale/timezone/etc?
[20:14] <NekoXP> I get a console login prompt on other VTs, a lot of "starting/stopping [OK]" kind of stuff on the boot VT and so far after 2 hours, nothing... not even a peep of a GUI
[20:15] <GrueMaster> Then you are doing something wrong.
[20:15] <NekoXP> I can't imagine what, that's part of the problem. Actually I just looked over, the pandaboard got to oem-config :)
[20:16] <NekoXP> I am going to figure on having some RIDICULOUSLY crap SD cards for now and trust that it does what it should
[20:17] <NekoXP> is there anything the pre-oem-config stuff does that would take forever, like resizing partitions or silently looking for network for a very long time?
[20:18] <GrueMaster> There is something in network manager that is holding up the boot process looking for a network connection.  Bug is already filed.
[20:18] <NekoXP> that may well explain it then :)
[20:20] <GrueMaster> But this business of oem-config not working for the last two weeks is a bit of an exaggeration I would think.  I would have seen it otherwise, with the number of systems and sd cards I have.
[20:20] <NekoXP> it's not so much "not working" here as I don't think it's even started
[20:20] <NekoXP> it's doing something but neither of the quickstart or beagles have any indication of disk activity like the panda
[20:20] <GrueMaster> It does fail to launch oem-config-remove at the end, looping back to the start.  But that is easily worked around.
[20:22] <GrueMaster> See bug 856293 for the info.
[20:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 856293 in ubiquity "oem-config not removed after install on preinstalled desktop images due to debconf.dat being locked " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856293
[20:23] <NekoXP> yeah I know that one
[20:23] <NekoXP> what's the networkmanager bug?
[20:30] <GrueMaster> Maybe bug Bug #846796.  I can't remember the exact bug atm.
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 846796 in ubuntu "Slow boot since update suspect it relates to networking " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846796
[20:31] <GrueMaster> There are several similar bugs in launchpad.
[22:28] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: pingly