[00:51] <Wafficus> hey team I'm ready for a re-commit of that lubuntu-welcome-center btw
[00:51] <Wafficus> its:
[00:51] <Wafficus> git push
[00:51] <Wafficus> and then git commit right?
[00:54] <Wafficus> nvm I did git add -A
[00:54] <Wafficus> git push
[00:54] <Wafficus> and git commit
[00:54] <Wafficus> it looks like it did change it all though, but I'm wondering why it didn't post it on this IRC :/
[00:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Convert the welcome center to CMake] SBanya (Samuel Banya) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131#2637
 Hey @Wafficus can you add the same email you use on Phab to GitHub?
 Same with lynorian
[00:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T130: Add a license to the Welcome Center] SBanya (Samuel Banya) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T130#2638
 You can get points on your GitHub contribution graph which kinda helps with employment :P
 I'm up to 1,200something because of the mirroring.
[01:00] <Wafficus> I have the same email on Phab as github
[01:00] <Wafficus><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:01] <Wafficus> I have my progress listed on LinkedIn, so I'm not too concerned, but hey, more points on the graph seem good too
[01:01] <Wafficus> btw
[01:01] <Wafficus> I saw that CMake thing just now
[01:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T130: Add a license to the Welcome Center] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T130#2639
[01:02] <Wafficus> do you want me to pull down my existing code?
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> I have the same email on Phab as github], GitHub doesn't seem to think so.
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> do you want me to pull down my existing code?], No, keep it as-is.
[01:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T130: Add a license to the Welcome Center] SBanya (Samuel Banya) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T130#2640
[01:04] <lynorian> tsimonq2 Added and I verified it
[01:04] <lynorian> I think you need to make the email address public as well
[01:06] <Wafficus> lynorian: hate to be that spoon feeder guy, but is this in the settings for my profile right?
[01:07] <lynorian> or at least I think so
[01:07] <lynorian> I don't think I usesd linkedin correctly
[01:07] <lynorian> I hope this does not mean you are mad at the libreoffice calc screenshot
[01:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T130: Add a license to the Welcome Center] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T130#2641
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I think you need to make the email address public as well], Right, please do if you haven't already :)
[01:09] <Wafficus> idk how to do it though
[01:09] <Wafficus> i've been going through the settings :/
 Wow, lynorian has really been racking up the contributions graph :)
 I'm not at my computer at the moment, sorry @Wafficus
 Right<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Hmmmm
[01:13] <Wafficus> yeah I can't find it any of the settings
[01:13] <Wafficus> anyway for the immediate change before another day or two to change it to CMake
[01:13] <Wafficus> which I have no idea how to use yet but whatever
[01:13] <Wafficus> where can I find the license that you wanted?
 It's all in the task.
[01:13] <Wafficus> you just have to include it via the code at the top right/
[01:13] <Wafficus> ok
[01:13] <lynorian> @tsimonq2 yeah lots of my contributions haven't really been monolithic commits
 @lynorian [<lynorian> @tsimonq2 yeah lots of my contributions haven't really been monolithi …], And that's a good thing :)
[01:14] <Wafficus> so its just LICENSE right?
[01:14] <Wafficus> not like LICENSE.txt right?
 Right
[01:17] <Wafficus> so just put it in the headers right?
[01:17] <Wafficus> or literally every file possible?
[01:17] <Wafficus> I found the boiler plate code
 In all files at the top
[01:17] <Wafficus> I'll put Lubuntu where the author section is
[01:17] <Wafficus> ok
[01:17] <Wafficus> you got it
 All code files
[01:20] <Wafficus> question
[01:20] <Wafficus> in an xml file
[01:20] <Wafficus> what's the comment section
[01:20] <Wafficus> is it <!-- -->
[01:20] <Wafficus> right?
 I dunno :) ... A lot of programming is being able to think on your feet and Google/DuckDuckGo these things.
 Because I would have to do just that to answer your question
[01:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL357d98c9e737: Add how to install and mark packages for installation in muon.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL357d98c9e737
[01:21] <Wafficus> yeah I think its just <!-- -->
 So then if you're sure, go for it.
[01:22] <lynorian> Wafficus: since it is xml you also have to close it
[01:23] <Wafficus> yeah I did <!--
[01:23] <Wafficus> (license text)
[01:23] <Wafficus> -->
[01:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rWELCOME491246a22a41: commit Include desktop resolution and monitor settings button, and UI change] SBanya (Samuel Banya) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rWELCOME491246a22a41
[01:34] <Wafficus> added the licenses
[01:34] <Wafficus> hopefully that's good
 I don't see license stuff in this commit, but thanks :)
 @Wafficus: Please accept the GitHub invite.
[02:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rWELCOME8df8c4a55444: Commit Add LICENSE file and related references to all available code] SBanya (Samuel Banya) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rWELCOME8df8c4a55444
[02:20] <Wafficus> got it
[02:20] <Wafficus> I realized you gotta do git commit, then your message
[02:20] <Wafficus> then do git add -A
[02:20] <Wafficus> then git push
[02:20] <Wafficus> I did it with step 2 and 3 first by accident
[02:20] <Wafficus> it has the license sections included now
 Be consistent with how you comment it out, otherwise it lgtm
[02:23] <Wafficus> the thing is though that I had to comment it in different types of files
[02:23] <Wafficus> hence the different commenting usage
[02:23] <Wafficus> otherwise I would use /* all over, but it depends on the file
[02:23] <Wafficus> or even # on each line
 h and cpp can be commented the same
 er
 I see
 Yeah, can we do `#<SPACE>` for h and cpp too?
[02:24] <Wafficus> so we can or not?
 We can
[02:25] <Wafficus> ok gotcha
[02:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rWELCOME0625351d45f3: commit Fix license related comments on .cpp and .h files] SBanya (Samuel Banya) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rWELCOME0625351d45f3
[02:32] <Wafficus> Fixed the comments on the .cpp and .h files
 LGTM, thanks
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1055302965119119360
 wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799855
[04:41] <lynorian> I made the manual more friendly with git add -A so that the build when people build the manual it does not add all the files iwth a gitignore
 Cool :)
 Great work lynorian!
 And keep your GitHub streak up >:D
[05:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf596836912f7: Add a screenshot for date and time.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf596836912f7
[05:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa21ddf56a4d8: Add screenshot for locale.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa21ddf56a4d8
[05:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALebf7317075e2: Add session_settings screenshot.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALebf7317075e2
[05:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa1579f249cee: add screenshot for transmission.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa1579f249cee
[06:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3df9a51aeeaf: Add screenshot for qpdfview.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3df9a51aeeaf
[08:02] <Steedalion> Hi all, I can't push using "arc diff" I get the following msg : ERR_CLOSED: This revision has already been closed.
[08:03] <Steedalion> how to proceed.
[08:03] <Steedalion> ?
[08:21] <Steedalion> Nvm, I think the commit message was addressing an old revision.
[08:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T133: Add default keyboard shortcuts to documentation] Steedalion (Steed) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T133
 What are your plans for default Qt styling for Lubuntu from now on? Keep closer to Breeze, switch to something closer to Arc, or even create a new style from scratch (like adwaita-qt)? If you choose to keep closer to Breeze, I would like to suggest Mistral (https://www.box-look.org/p/1017738/), Mistral-Thin (https://www.box-look.org/
 Or even a Mistral hack replacing window control icons with original Breeze ones
 @lbssousa actually its really easy to create an openbox theme. Is there something that particullary you don't like about the current theme?
 Nothing special. I only think that Mistral Openbox theme matches Breeze Qt style a little bit better than Arc one.
 Since Lubuntu seems to already include Breeze-ob as an optional Openbox theme, I think you could include Mistral as well.
 @TheWendyPower is who leads artwork. She might be interested into looking at this.
[15:33] <wxl> @tsimonq2 bug 1799855 is something i think you'll need to figure out. the problem is they can't install lubuntu-core because it doesn't exist in cosmic. not sure why you did that.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2 bug 1799855 is something i think you'll need to figure out. the …], Why are only some people experiencing this though?
[15:36] <wxl> @tsimonq2 it's quite possible more than some are, but they're just not reporting it. i suspect, given the nature of lubuntu-core, that the end result is a functioning system so they just don't care.
 OK
[15:47] <teward> the other thought on this wxl is because people want the LX* environment but don't want all the bundled apps that come with it.  Hence why they installed -core instead of -desktop
[15:47] <teward> unfortunately, this is not "uncommon" in some cases because people just want the DE and not everything that comes with it...
[15:48] <wxl> teward: core is a depend of desktop
[15:48] <teward> wxl: point.missed()
[15:48] <teward> wxl: my point was that that may be why people didn't install -desktop
[15:48] <teward> and instead did lubuntu-core
[15:48] <wxl> teward: however it seems that it was in bionic that @tsimonq2 changed from lubuntu-core to lubuntu-qt/gtk-core without making lubuntu-core virtual
[15:49] <teward> in which case that's a "no no"
[15:49] <teward> wxl: yeah that would be a problem indeed.
[15:49] <wxl> which is why i gave it to him to fix
[15:52] <wxl> supposed xubuntu has lower minimum hardware requirements https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085704/should-i-remove-ubuntu-18-04-and-install-lubuntu-18-10
 @wxl [<wxl> teward: however it seems that it was in bionic that @tsimonq2 changed from …], Adam did that, we can blame him. :P
[15:54] <wxl> well i guess you can tell him to fix it then
 Is there a task for the dark icons? (volume, skanlite, screenshots, qplipper?)
 I'm having some ideas on where the problem might be
 @HMollerCl [Is there a task for the dark icons? (volume, skanlite, screenshots, qlipper in m …], UX todo?
[16:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2653
 Someone would prefer breeze in dark color scheme?
 as now? To explain the workaround
[16:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2654
 @lbssousa [What are your plans for default Qt styling for Lubuntu from now on? Keep closer …], Adding some more themes and making a more cohesive UI and easy UX is one of my goals. I will take a look at that.
[16:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T122: Consider Including Carlito and Caladea Fonts in Install ISO] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T122#2655
 @TheWendyPower [Adding some more themes and making a more cohesive UI and easy UX is one of my g …], I've tried several icon themes for LXQt, and the best one which matches both LXQt dark panel and light windows is elementary-xfce-darker ( from https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce ), available in Ubuntu official repo
 @lbssousa [I've tried several icon themes for LXQt, and the best one which matches both LXQ …], Have you tried numix circled?
 Interesting to see if parts of elementary could be used
 Thats from Elementary OS right?
 @Wafficus [Thats from Elementary OS right?], This is a fork of Elementary OS official icon theme by shimmerproject guys to fit the needs of Xfce, specially if combined with Greybird GTK theme. Greybird+elementary-xfce is the official artwork theme for Xubuntu.
 Ah gotcha
 @HMollerCl [Have you tried numix circled?], Yes. Both Numix-Circle and Numix-Square seem to be good options, too.
 Specially if you have a window style with dark toolbars
 every time I use sudo featherpad, the config file are owned by the root.
 and then, the chnages in cofiguration I made don't get persistent
[20:28] <genii> !gksu
[20:28] <genii> hm
 I normally use sudo -i but sometimes featherpad says that the file didin't exist, don't know why
 ... isn't this what lxqt-sudo is for? At the very least, Featherpad's config file stays in possession of the user if you run 'lxqt-sudo Featherpad'
 @marneu [... isn't this what lxqt-sudo is for? At the very least, Featherpad's config fil …], didn't knew about that command
 is in the manual?
 Good point, it's not. I don't know enough about this stuff to write a chapter about it, though; 'sudo nano' seems to work fine for the kind of edits I need root privileges for :D ... There was a user a few days ago who asked about this (don't remember whether it was here or on reddit), and gksudo apparently works differently from lxqt-
[21:07] <lynorian> thanks @hmollerCI I think I will add it too the outline
[21:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1e1ab57dde8e: Add lxqt-sudo to system tools in the outline.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1e1ab57dde8e
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/HLbc61XM/file_4389.png
[21:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T134: 18.10 stuff to clean up] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T134
[21:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T135: patch qtwebkit so Trojitá emails display correctly] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T135
[21:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T136: fix EFI/encryption] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T136
[21:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: deal with disappeared lubuntu-core] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137
[21:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2709
[22:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T136: fix EFI/encryption] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T136#2710
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2712
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T135: patch qtwebkit so Trojitá emails display correctly] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T135#2715
 This is trivial, anyone wanna tackle https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137?
[22:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T137?is an invalid task reference.
 Ugh
 Whatever lol
[22:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#2716
 So if T137 is easy, what needs to be edited.
[22:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2735
 @TheWendyPower [So if T137 is easy, what needs to be edited.], Just remove lubuntu-core from the file.
 But it uses Bazaar soooo 🤢
 It might need one of us old timers who still remember when we used the ancient and unmaintained Bazaar to do it. :P
 NOT IT *throws at wxl* XD
[22:14] <wxl> hell no
 @tsimonq2 [NOT IT *throws at wxl* XD], I think I've seen this comment before..... XD
[22:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2738
[22:18] <lynorian> oh that seems so circular
[22:18] <lynorian> I think I could actually fix that
[22:18] <lynorian> so lubuntu-core saying it depends on itself is the problem
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T138: system requirements] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T138
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: To-Do/Wish List ] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#2749
[22:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: task manager global menu plugin] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139
[22:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T140: touchpad settings] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T140
[22:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T141: native nm-tray connection editor] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T141
[22:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T142: hardinfo replacement] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T142
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Port GDebi to Qt] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T144:  Port over "additional drivers" tab from software-properties-gtk to -qt] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T144
[22:27] <lynorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qr2Dn7stk5/ you want it to look like this tsimonq2
[22:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T145: Implement a menu for quicklaunch rather than requiring a mouse drag to add items] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T145
[22:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T146: implement guest sessions in SDDM] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T146
[22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T147: profile support in LXQt] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T147
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T136: fix EFI/encryption] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T136#2847
[22:36] <lynorian> wxl ^
[22:39] <lynorian> what about the lubuntu-core under lubuntu desktop though
[22:59] <lynorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qr2Dn7stk5/ @wxl @tsimonq2 or do I need to remove lubuntu-core from lubuntu-desktop
[23:01] <wxl> lynorian: tbh, i don't know. i suspect it needs to match whatever the depend is, which i think is lubuntu-qt-core. simon was more involved with that than me
[23:02] <lynorian> ok
[23:02] <wxl> he says that adam/infinity made the change and so i'm sure he will absolve himself of any knowledge/responsibility but that's more than i have
[23:03] <lynorian> Depends: lxqt-core
[23:03] <lynorian>   Conflicts: <lubuntu-qt-core>
[23:03] <lynorian>   Replaces: <lubuntu-qt-core>
[23:03] <lynorian>  is in the depends so I think lubuntu-qt-core would break all upgrades or would it just replace?
[23:04] <wxl> like i said, i just don't know. bdmurray was the one that pointed out that particular file, so perhaps he might be helpful in that regard
[23:29] <Wafficus> hey Simon, so if its i'm porting my qt code to cmake
[23:29] <Wafficus> do I have to recreate everything
[23:30] <Wafficus> or just change a reference somewhere in a header or .pro file?
[23:30] <Wafficus> like what tells it to specifically use qmake vs cmake?
[23:30] <Wafficus> I ask because I created that code with a default set of files from qt creator
[23:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL75c3647be3af: Start a simple use of lxqt-sudo.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL75c3647be3af
[23:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4eac9150205d: Add firefox and qtransmission and lxqt-sudo code:: directives] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4eac9150205d


[04:42] <ScottK> Hopefully fixed pykde4 uploaded.
[05:00] <ScottK> Meh.  Failed on armhf again.
[06:30] <soee> good morning
[07:08] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer, where art thou!
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Has yofel managed to work out your package yet?
[08:17] <yofel> well, he decided to leave it as it is after hearing my advice ^^
[08:17] <smartboyhw> yofel: ^^
[08:17] <yofel> it's not that you can't port that to quilt - works fine, but one patch still needs to be applied in rules after the build
[08:26] <soee> yesterday i have upgraded desktop pc with saucy to 4.11.1 :) reboot and after 5 minutes my PC died freezed :<
[08:28] <yofel> reproducable?
[08:33] <soee> yofel, dont know will test today a si went sleep after that  yesterday:)
[08:46] <Riddell> yay micro release exception accepted for kde telepathy, well done ScottK https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-September/001714.html
[08:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: ?
[08:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: do you really sleep that late in spain? :P :P
[08:55] <shadeslayer> that late?
[08:55] <smartboyhw>  Riddell yay
[08:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still no reply on that
[08:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: isnt it like 11 am there? :P
[08:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:56] <jussi> anyway, PM
[08:56] <shadeslayer> I've been awake for about 1:30 hours
[08:56] <jussi> *snerk*
[08:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: just wait til you have kids...
[08:56] <jussi> :P
[08:57] <shadeslayer> lol
[09:08] <mikhas> or worse, a job …
[09:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on the mailing list? they were talking about it in an irc meeting
[09:28] <Riddell> jussi: he'll be going for his siesta soon
[09:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ahh
[09:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh no
[09:28] <shadeslayer> have to call up apartments
[09:29] <Riddell> airbnb works nice for me, see you in november
[09:29] <shadeslayer> okie :)
[09:29] <shadeslayer> airbnb is fine for short term rentals
[09:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure where all these micro release exceptions are logged, any idea ScottK?
[09:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: e-mailed you with some rental links, some of them do long term rents I think
[09:32] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:32] <shadeslayer> I found idealista to be be pretty good
[09:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I also need to be wary of agencies
[09:33] <shadeslayer> they charge you about 1.5 months rental
[09:33] <shadeslayer> ontop of the deposit + first 2 months
[09:33] <shadeslayer> close to about 2000 EUR
[09:34] <mikhas> just ask some hostels whether they'd let you a private room for 1-2 months
[09:35] <shadeslayer> can't , I need a lease agreement so my paperwork can proceed
[09:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in the uk using gumtree is perfectly common, craigslist is the equivalent US site and Le Bon Coin in france, simple classified adverts, dunno if spain has something similar
[09:52] <shadeslayer> Spain has loquo and idealista
[09:52] <shadeslayer> also has craigslist
[09:52] <shadeslayer> but loads of scams there
[09:52] <Riddell> yeah
[09:53] <shadeslayer> contacted 3 listings, all of them reverted back with "We used to live in spain, moved to UK/US/some other country, send us a security deposit, we will send you the keys of the apartment to check it out"
[09:55] <Riddell> ha, maybe not
[09:55] <Riddell> ask for the keys and say you'll then send a deposit
[09:56] <shadeslayer> what if they send me bogus keys :p
[09:58] <Riddell> so nobody wanting to do plasma active 4?
[09:58] <Riddell> Quintasan?
[10:05]  * smartboyhw will not be able to participate in any packaging until Thursday (homework + dictation)
[10:05] <Riddell> dictation?
[10:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell: i.e. you have to recite a passage or a paragraph and write it out in a lesson
[10:08] <Riddell> what's the point of that?
[10:09] <Riddell> random memory tests aren't going to help you learn anything
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You Westeners will never understand the learning method for Chinese (and specifically, HongKongers)
[10:10] <smartboyhw> (srsly)
[10:11] <mikhas> just get a new language
[10:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: its the same thing in India
[10:15] <shadeslayer> and I find it pointless
[10:16] <shadeslayer> rote learning is becoming rampant :/
[10:17] <Riddell> my friend in the English as an Additional Language dept here in Edinburgh says it's a problem for them to explain to parents from many countries why we don't do rote learning and why it's not actually any use
[10:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: In Hong Kong, we consider this very useful, since you might want to quote a few sentences from it in your exams and the HKDSE exam (which affects which subjects you can enter in university or whether you can go to one at all)
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw regarding ktp, where can I read the IRC logs?
[10:18] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yep, I know, useful for exams, but the exam system is broken if it asks you to recite stuff from memory
[10:18] <Riddell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ :)
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what channel though :)
[10:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: #ubuntu-meeting yesterday
[10:18] <shadeslayer> aha
[10:20] <shadeslayer> hurray
[10:20] <shadeslayer> d_ed shall be happy
[10:20] <shadeslayer> and then he might sneak in locusts as a dependency
[10:20] <Riddell> it was pretty much "kde are a trustworthy sort, fine with me"
[10:20] <Riddell> which is lovely
[10:20] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[10:21] <Riddell> what is locusts? sounds scary
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://xkcd.com/797/
[10:23] <Riddell> :)
[10:45]  * Riddell starts throwing bits of PA4 into ~kubuntu-active ppa
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[11:19] <Riddell> hmm share-like-connect fails on arm https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:19] <Riddell> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[11:19] <Riddell> some funky virtual machine error
[11:19] <Riddell> yofel: you mentioned that as a known problem?
[11:19] <yofel> it is, lemme find the bug
[11:20] <yofel> bug 1077116
[11:20] <Riddell> yeah that's automoc
[11:20] <yofel> as nobody seems to care about that I should maybe try to get in touch with qemu upstream or that'll never get fixed
[11:39] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[11:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you ever package bodega-client for muon?
[11:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Also, it'd be lovely if you looked at pykde4 on arm again.
[11:47] <Riddell> it's on my todo list, slightly scared of it getting to the top
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Dunno.
[12:26] <Riddell> meh, plasma active needs an old version of maliit packaged, current version is qt 5
[12:30] <Riddell> 13:26 < notmart> on mer i packaged 0.93 release
[12:30] <Riddell> which explains why the patch is for an old version
[12:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:52] <Riddell> doods: kdepim 4.11 is going to be an lts version maintained by kolab sys
[12:52] <Riddell> do we want to keep it in a repo?
[12:52] <Riddell> they have packages in OBS, we can take patches from there
[12:53] <Riddell> which PPA to use seems to depend on whether upstream kdepim does 4.12 or not
[12:54] <Riddell> or they can take our packages from launchpad
[13:00] <cortexA9> hello
[13:00] <cortexA9> kubuntu daily of today doesn't work.
[13:00] <cortexA9> boot error.
[13:00] <cortexA9> for me
[13:00] <cortexA9> anyone have this problem ?
[13:02] <soee> what error?
[13:03] <cortexA9> with usb stick, i read Boot Error.
[13:03] <cortexA9> idk.
[13:04] <Riddell> hmm, not a very useful error message
[13:04] <cortexA9> very strange.
[13:04] <cortexA9> in the past was good.
[13:05] <Riddell> oh quite possibly something has changes to break it
[13:05] <Riddell> but it doesn't sound like something kubuntu specific
[13:05] <Riddell> could be a general ubuntu issue or could be something on your side
[13:05] <cortexA9> oh..
[13:05] <cortexA9> i try only kubuntu daily.
[13:05] <cortexA9> *tried.
[13:06] <cortexA9> maybe other version have this issue.
[13:06] <cortexA9> the amd64 one.
[13:08] <Riddell> cortexA9: if you want to be super useful you could try the ubuntu daily image and see if it has the same issue, otherwise we'll look at it when someone can
[13:08] <cortexA9> u mean the amd64 one ?
[13:08] <cortexA9> ok i try.
[13:11] <cortexA9> wait a sec.
[13:34] <cortexA9> Riddell: it's my usb stick damaged.
[13:36] <Riddell> cortexA9: aah, bad luck for you, good for kubuntu I suppose
[13:36] <Riddell> thanks for testing
[13:39] <cortexA9> Riddell: trying with another one.
[13:50] <Riddell> anyone remember what happened to /usr/include/solid/control/networkmanager.h kde-workspace-dev ?
[13:50] <Riddell> it was in some non existant package
[13:50] <yofel> moved to networkmanagement
[13:50] <yofel> and isn't shipped
[13:53] <Riddell> spose that can be fixed
[14:30] <cortexA9> hello
[14:31] <Riddell> hi cortexA9
[14:39] <cortexA9> hi Riddell all ok.
[14:40] <Riddell> great :)
[14:40] <cortexA9> on kubuntu daily.
[14:40] <Riddell> hi littlegirl
[14:40] <Riddell> littlegirl: moved to ubuntu docs?
[14:42] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hey there. (:
[14:42] <littlegirl> Riddell: No, just helping out. I had an itch to play in Bazaar and they looked like they needed help. (:
[14:43] <littlegirl> Riddell: I'm still a hardcore, die-hard Kubuntu user. (:
[14:44] <Riddell> hardcore, die-hard you say? excellent :)
[14:45] <cortexA9> eheh
[14:46] <cortexA9> Riddell: what is trello ?
[14:46] <littlegirl> Riddell: I think I started with Edgy and never looked back - I've stayed with it ever since, and fully intend to go with it on my tablet once that's Ironed out. (:
[14:47] <Riddell> cortexA9: trello is a nice todo list manager web app
[14:47] <Riddell> see trello.com/kubuntu
[14:47] <Riddell> littlegirl: what tablet do you have?
[14:47] <littlegirl> cortexA9: Here's a YouTube video about Trello that shows a quick summary of how it can be used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaDf1RqeLfo
[14:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: Nexus 7
[14:48] <cortexA9> Riddell: thanks
[14:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: I was the one who was all excited that you guys were working on getting Kubuntu Active to work on that very tablet. (:
[14:50] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you guys need any last minute help before the freeze on Thursday?
[14:51] <Riddell> before beta freeze?
[14:51] <littlegirl> Yep. (:
[14:53] <Riddell> littlegirl: well we've loads of bugs still and docs need packaged and bits need poked into compiling
[14:54] <littlegirl> Riddell: Is there a list somewhere of exactly where all of those things are? Also I have no idea how to package docs, and am not sure if I know how to poke bits into compiling, but probably not. (:
[14:55] <littlegirl> Riddell: But documentation bugs are right up my alley if you have those.
[14:55] <Riddell> https://trello.com/kubuntu
[14:55] <Riddell> http://goo.gl/vHRjj
[14:55] <Riddell> bugs ^^
[14:56] <Riddell> http://goo.gl/cjEFkO
[14:56] <Riddell> things needing compiling ⇈
[14:56] <Riddell> littlegirl: the new docs need a review
[14:56] <Riddell> http://docs.kubuntu.org/
[14:59] <littlegirl> Riddell: I'll review those docs. (:
[15:02] <soee> yofel, pc works fine so far after yesterday  freeze
[15:03] <soee> Riddell, do you  have 2 minutes to help me a bit ?
[15:03] <Riddell> soee: what's up?
[15:04]  * BluesKaj gives Netrunner a tryout
[15:04] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what's it like?
[15:04] <soee> Riddell, is it possible in saucy to remove one of this 2 NM ?
[15:04] <Riddell> soee: yeah I added a script to do that last week
[15:05] <Riddell> you can dist-upgrade then log out and in
[15:05] <BluesKaj> pretty cool , a mix of some gtk apps and a comprehensive menu with interesting apps and links
[15:05] <Riddell> or just remove it manually
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Riddell: ^
[15:05] <Riddell> BluesKaj: menu? as in homerun menu?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  no , it's actually more like the kde classicmenu , but extended
[15:06] <Riddell> BluesKaj: got a screenshot?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yup, hangon
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  bummer , prtscrn doesm't work with an open menu :(
[15:10] <yofel> ksnapshot has a delay timer
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  http://imagebin.org/271178 , you'll probly have to do ctrl - to make this image fit a normal monitor , mine's large sreen tv
[15:21] <Riddell> that's classic menu all right
[15:23] <BluesKaj> gotta installpulseaudio after OS installation too , not default for some reason
[15:29] <Riddell> confusing how he's calling both applets plasma NM http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/plasma-nm-current-and-future.html
[15:29] <Riddell> looks like version fiddlyness in the future for modemmanager, make sure we avoid that for saucy
[15:29] <Riddell> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/the-future-of-modemmanagerqt-and.html
[15:50] <soee> Riddell, i have installed  all updates
[15:50] <soee> but still 2 NM applets
[15:53] <Riddell> fooey
[15:54] <Riddell> soee: does ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc contain 06-remove-networkmanagement.js ?
[15:56] <soee> Riddell, yes last item in UPDATES: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/06-delete-networkmanagement.js
[15:56] <Riddell> fooey
[15:56] <Riddell> soee: do you have multiple panels?
[15:57] <Riddell> plasma active updated in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages  goodness knows if it works at all
[15:57] <soee> dont think so, i have only one visible
[15:59] <Riddell> my taskbar has stopped refreshing today :(
[16:00] <soee> ?
[16:14] <soee> is there  also contest for kubuntu wallpapers just like ubuntu has ?
[16:25] <maco> contest? you mean that thing where they pretend the winner's wallpaper will be ubuntu's wallpaper, and then they hire a designer to make a new one anyway?
[16:25] <maco> every. darned. time.
[16:25] <maco> no, i think kubuntu uses kde's default wallpaper
[18:14] <littlegirl> Riddell: Are you still at your keyboard?
[18:15] <littlegirl> valorie: Are you at your keyboard?
[18:16]  * littlegirl has a question about formatting in the wiki pages.
[18:19] <littlegirl> I'm reviewing the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page, and my question is: When a reference is made to an application, like jockey-kde, it's surrounded in single quotes ('jockey-kde'), but not always. Later in the same paragraph it's just plain with no quotes around it. Is there a hard and fast rule about whether applications should get quotes (like when they are first mentioned in a page)?
[20:01] <seaLne> saucy seems to resume from suspend way faster than previously? atleast the i can start typing password within a few seconds of opeing the lid, previously it was 30-60s and ocasionally longer (its an oldish laptop) this makes things feel so much better, thanks
[21:31] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, anyone here?
[21:33] <ovidiu-florin> just tried to install kubuntu 13.04 on a computer and something went wrong with the kubuntu logo durring boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDOdXM74Ug


[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:01] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:01] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:20] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:21] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[07:21] <MooDoo> howdy howdy howdy
[07:22] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[08:27] <twager> Anyone tell me if a Motorola phone will mount ok in Linux?
[08:39] <knightwise> hmm. thinking of getting a fitbit to track my movements throughout the day
[08:39] <knightwise> not sure what model to get
[08:45] <popey> my son is saving up for one
[08:45] <popey> some of the kids in his class have them
[08:45] <popey> they have contests at play time
[08:45] <popey> he's looking at the fitbit charge hr
[08:46] <popey> i think
[08:47] <foobarry> i have a mi band for only £10
[08:47] <foobarry> lasts 2 months between charges
[08:48] <foobarry> does what a fitbit does
[08:56] <diplo> I have a cheaper one too foobarry ( app is called VeryFit ) it's doing its job of motivating me I guess, but do want to upgrade in the future
[08:57] <diplo> http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/garmin-vivoactive-hr-watch-extra-large-E3312150?id_colour=124&channel_code=110&s2m_product_id=190500_124&utm_source=google&_$ja=tsid:45886&gclid=Cj0KEQjw4827BRDJvpbVuKvx-rIBEiQA2_CzsP4jD3vLc3-uiCzMmPENBz-47KXYg456jo6EnXEKLKQaAh318P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
[08:57] <diplo> Something like that one, although I've seen them quite a bit cheaper ( that was the first link )
[09:01] <knightwise> Whoah :) thats pricey
[09:01] <knightwise> the garmins are cool tough
[09:02] <knightwise> popey: i was thinking the same thing , the HR does seem pretty cool.
[09:02] <diplo> I want one to use swimming as well, I've been quite ill over the last few years and want to track my progress with exercise without making it to much of a thing
[09:02] <knightwise> that way I can track which co-workers tend to get my heartrate up during meetings
[09:04] <knightwise> As in "who stresses me out the most"
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug Holiday Day! 😃
[09:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dOwHzCHfgA watch out for the 80's hair
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> they won't need prisons in the future just six months unblocking the drains of the holodecks will replace a life sentence... :-P
[09:35] <JamesTait> davmor2, +1
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise, popey: My g/f has the Charge HR. Works really well, shame no GNU/Linux support from them. Her company (USA owned) had a step challenge. 15k steps in a week. She does more than that in a day!
[09:55] <popey> TwistedLucidity: there's a fitbit app on ubuntu phone :)
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Did not know that.
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> I'm in two minds about getting one. I'd have to remove it for most of the sports I do, so it'd miss out on all my exercise
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Also, I'm not sure I like the idea of some company gathering that level of detail on me and no way I'd link it to my life insurance (as Prudential keep asking me about)
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> there are 100s of ways of feeding fake data into fitness trackers.  attaching them to dogs, cats etc... :-)
[10:15] <davmor2> popey, TwistedLucidity: currently it is only a receiver not a syncer I think
[10:15] <davmor2> ie shows the data from the dashboard on the phone rather than syncing the data to the site
[10:33] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: we try to do 10k a day
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: 2 two dogs...
[10:51] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: me too :)
[11:41] <knightwise> there
[11:41] <knightwise> rebooted the server sec
[11:41] <knightwise> damn :) had good uptime
[11:42] <MooDoo> hehe i rebooted my irc box the other day boooo
[11:43] <MooDoo> only coz i moved from a vmware host to rhel
[12:00] <knightwise> MooDoo: you running that Vm in the cloud or at home ?
[12:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: you owld slacker 'ow am ya
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: and admitting to RHEL for an irc host shame on you ;)
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: and none of that it's what I use at work malarkey
[12:03] <MooDoo> knightwise: home
[12:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm good thanks and no i must admit it's partly due to me wanting the RHCSA
[12:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: ohhhhhh
[12:04] <davmor2> nice
[12:04] <MooDoo> so signed up for the RH dev suite
[12:05] <MooDoo> 1 rhel license unlimited vm's :)
[12:06] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Is that the free RH dev thingy, or is it €€€€s?
[12:06] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: yes mate, it was $99 but now it's free as long as you sign up.
[12:10] <foobarry> MooDoo: does it give access to access.redhat.com?
[12:12] <awilkins> talk of VMs reminds me to make a Win10 VM while I still have my Win7 pro key lying around
[12:14] <awilkins> Has anyone used a Win 7 key to create a Win10 VM? Was wondering if it then refuses to activate or invalidates the Win7
[12:16] <DJones> awilkins: Don't know about win 7, Iused a Win8.1 key to reinstall without issues
[12:16] <awilkins> Ta
[12:16] <awilkins> Already had a lovely issue where I lost the machine ID from my VM and it invaidated my VM
[12:16] <awilkins> Have now backed that up...
[12:17] <awilkins> Note : Importing an OVA file into VirtualBox creates a new machine ID
[12:34] <MooDoo> foobarry: yes it does...
[12:35] <MooDoo> foobarry: it is self support though, you can't log tickets etc, but you do get all software updates
[12:35] <foobarry> thats fine. i often arrive at access.redhat KB pages and can't view them
[12:36] <MooDoo> :)
[12:48] <foobarry> The Committee has decided to defer its decision on this petition until the Government Digital Service has done all it can to verify the signatures on the petition. We have already had to remove 77,000 fraudulent signatures. The Committee wishes to make clear that, although it may choose to schedule a debate on this petition in due course, it only has the power to schedule debates in Westminster Hall
[12:48] <foobarry> – the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. Debates in Westminster Hall do not have the power to change the law, and could not trigger a second referendum.
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Ta much
[12:54] <knightwise> i dont see how they are going to turn this descision around
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> They're not
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> I watched the Holyrood debate yesterday. Rousing stuff. Right, this isn't #politics and I need lunch!
[13:17] <knightwise> hmm lunch
[13:17]  * knightwise had lunch
[13:19] <Seeker`> knightwise: they can turn it round however they like, the referendum isn't legally binding
[13:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/747442381608329223
[14:03] <sharwood> Hi, just setup IRC. Can anyone confirm it's working please.
[14:04] <DJones> sharwood: Nope, its not working :(
[14:04] <sharwood> lol, thanks!
[14:04] <DJones> Yeah we can see you fine
[14:05] <sharwood> just wanted to know I was up and running. :-)
[14:05] <DJones> No worries
[14:06] <DJones> Main support channel for Ubuntu issue is #ubuntu (most users), this channel is more a general chat channel
[14:26] <czajkowski> Howdy doody folks
[14:26] <czajkowski> random Q: would people be interested in kick starting the Ubuntu hours again across the country
[14:26] <czajkowski> Picking a date/time
[14:26] <czajkowski> and having a cup of tea with people who want to turn up and chat about Ubuntu
[14:26] <czajkowski> no talks, presentations
[14:26] <czajkowski> but once a month meetup and just see the community face to face
[14:36] <diplo> Problem I found with those is they suited large cities, no one really around this area
[14:36] <diplo> Enjoyed meeting you and the Alans at the BBQ though
[14:36] <diplo> Albeit that was a few years ago now
[15:31] <diddledan> this is what I was faffing-about 11 years ago: https://clustergroup.org/index.php/Main_Page
[15:32] <diddledan> I was young and naive back then
[15:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's not a question it's a trap I tell you
[16:07] <czajkowski> :(
[16:09] <Myrtti> reminder: if you ever need to buy Sugru for anything, put the pack in the fridge immediately. It keeps it fresh and usable for years after BBD
[16:10] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Mine dry old an go solid after ~1 month
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> I try to fix as many things as possible at once to use the pack up
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> czajkowski: Not wanting to dismiss your idea, but isn't that a LUG?
[16:12] <Myrtti> TwistedLucidity: we've got a bag that's got pouches with BBD in 2013, just used one and they're still good
[16:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: I say it in the nicest possible way, but can see the inevitable can you organise one in your town city, for which I have no time :(
[16:12] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: "BBD"?
[16:12] <Myrtti> Best Before Date
[16:13] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[16:13] <Myrtti> or however you acronymise it
[16:13] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Oh, if the pouches are sealed; sure. Partially used....no.
[16:13] <Myrtti> they do go bad tho. and quite quickly
[16:13] <Myrtti> especially in the warm
[16:14] <czajkowski> TwistedLucidity: ^
[16:15] <TwistedLucidity> czajkowski: Thanks. Given the death of LUGs over the last few years, it's good to see some outreach going on. A shame the general public don't care about their IT. Convenience is king.
[16:15] <TwistedLucidity> Right, sun is finally out and dogs want walking.
[16:16] <czajkowski> I was about to say the SLUG meets once a month
[16:16] <czajkowski> but Twisted left
[16:18] <diddledan> czajkowski: that's an interesting idea - I like that it's pretty much informal
[16:19] <diddledan> just turn-up and talk with people
[16:26] <popey> yeah
[16:26] <popey> might do one near me
[17:14] <czajkowski> diddledan: aye exactly
[17:14] <czajkowski> figured we could do with giving the loco some CPR :)
[17:17] <mapps> hm
[17:17] <mapps> work party tonight
[17:21] <daftykins> :o
[18:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:33] <daftykins> so there you go, against what i considered to be conventional wisdom... a duff CMOS battery can prevent POST
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> it's fun finding out these things...
[19:42] <daftykins> :)
[19:43] <daftykins> only my old core 2 quad desktop now, but that was a new one on me
[19:43] <popey> evening slackers
[19:43] <daftykins> wb dear leader ^_^
[19:48] <diddledan> interesting: https://docs.microsoft.com/teamblog/introducing-docs-microsoft-com/?i
[19:49] <diddledan> MS are acknowledging that 15year-old code is crusty
[19:49] <daftykins> who knew?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> not Microsoft
[19:49] <diddledan> quote: "The first thing we did was evaluate our existing content infrastructure TechNet and MSDN. Both sites are built on a 10-15 year-old brittle codebase with an archaic publishing and deployment system that was never designed to run on the cloud."
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> reading microsoft help has always been horrible
[19:50] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's because it was made for IE4
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> i'm talking about the hlp files that came with vb... :-)
[19:50] <diddledan> ouch
[19:50] <diddledan> yeah those are evil
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> and the hlp files for qb which were even more archiac
[19:51] <diddledan> I bought a copy of VB6 for students way back in 1999 which came with "a copy of msdn"
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> and the physical manuals for same...
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> that's why i kept the hlp file from vb5 around.  as bad as it was it was still easier to navigate than msdn
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> and in a lot of cases more up to date...
[19:52] <diddledan> this was in chm iirc
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> that's the format
[20:08] <diddledan> why is mono shunned in a lot of linuxy circles?
[20:09] <diddledan> I think I probably knew but now I've forgotten?
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> because it's a social disease?  :)


[00:31] <hazmat> wallyworld, ping
[00:32] <wallyworld> hazmat: otp, one sec
[00:41] <thumper> time to wrap up warm and take the dog for a walk
[00:43] <davecheney> thumper: still snowing ?
[00:43]  * hazmat wonders if the dog gets wrapped
[00:45] <davecheney> http://www.nancysdogpawsboutique.com/images/products/Italian%20Greyhound%20English%20Style%20Fleece%20Dog%20Coat%20brown%20001.jpg
[01:04] <davecheney> sinzui: is wolfe-01 you box ?
[01:35] <thumper> hazmat: no, not that cold, dog is fine
[01:35] <thumper> davecheney: not snowing, just cold
[01:39] <davecheney> thumper: this one is for you, https://github.com/juju/loggo/pull/3
[01:39]  * thumper looks
[01:40] <thumper> davecheney: what is that?
[01:40] <thumper> godoc badge
[01:41] <axw> just a link to the godoc page for loggo
[01:41] <thumper> ah...
[01:41] <thumper> ok
[01:53] <davecheney> waigani: are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1356899 ?
[01:53] <mup> Bug #1356899: manual provider add-machine fails if no ubuntu user on machine <manual-provider> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356899>
[01:54] <waigani> davecheney: the revert branch has merged
[01:55] <thumper> waigani: did it? I thought it was rejected
[01:56] <waigani> Pull request successfully merged and closed
[01:56] <waigani> You're all set—the waigani:revert-manual-prov  branch can be safely deleted.
[01:56] <thumper> ok, good
[01:56] <waigani> davecheney: ^ from github
[01:56] <davecheney> waigani: please assign yourself to the issue and mark it in progress
[01:56]  * thumper scrolls up
[01:56] <thumper> oh, there it goes
[01:56] <davecheney> if it's fixed, mark it as fix-comitted to unblock the build
[01:56] <thumper> actually, mark it fix committed
[01:57] <waigani> done
[01:57] <thumper> waigani: are you going to re-propose without the deleted line?
[01:57] <waigani> thumper: yep
[02:09] <wallyworld> axw: finished
[02:18] <thumper> coffee needed
[02:29] <hazmat> coffee finished
[02:31] <hazmat> waigani, btw.. if you want a functional test case  for that regression try... using juju digitalocean plugin
[02:40] <waigani> thumper: axw: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/524
[02:41] <thumper> hazmat: do DO machines not have the ubuntu user?
[02:41] <hazmat> thumper, no ubuntu image thats not cpc cloud does
[02:41] <thumper> EPARSE
[02:42] <thumper> really?
[02:42] <thumper> so, since DO are not CPC, they have no ubuntu user?
[02:42] <thumper> why is that?
[02:42] <hazmat> thumper, you've installed ubuntu desktop
[02:42] <thumper> what do they have instead?
[02:42] <hazmat> they have a sane version of ubuntu server
[02:42] <thumper> they need some user right?
[02:42] <hazmat> thumper, yeah... its called root
[02:42] <axw> waigani: LGTM, but please test it live
[02:43] <thumper> really?
[02:43] <thumper> ew
[02:43] <waigani> axw: okay, will do now.
[02:43] <thumper> :-)
[02:43] <hazmat> thumper, ew.. like a user who can admin stuff without typing sudo..
[02:43] <thumper> yeah, yeah
[02:43] <davecheney> scott/tiger
[02:43]  * hazmat bows to the oracle
[02:44]  * thumper missed that reference
[02:44] <hazmat> thumper, default/doc'd/example'd password on oracle
[02:44] <davecheney> thumper: http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/xfdb/970
[02:44] <thumper> ?!
[02:45] <thumper> heh
[03:06] <menn0> davecheney: do you have time to cast your eyes over this again? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/508
[03:10]  * davecheney looks
[03:21] <waigani> axw: $ juju add-machine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:21] <waigani><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[03:21] <waigani> [sudo] password for scott:
[03:21] <waigani> install: cannot create directory /home/ubuntu: Permission denied
[03:21] <waigani> ERROR subprocess encountered error code 1 (Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed.)
[03:21] <waigani> axw: scott is in the sudoers file
[03:26] <waigani> axw: I just ran the same with trunk, I get same result
[03:59] <axw> waigani: sorry was afk having lunch
[03:59] <waigani> axw: np, I've commented on PR
[03:59] <axw> waigani: can you confirm you can "sudo mkdir /home/ubuntu" on the machine when logged in as scott?
[03:59] <waigani> axw: yep I could
[04:00] <waigani> axw: but it asks for scott's password
[04:01] <axw> waigani: add-machine should prompt you for that, is it not doing so?
[04:01] <waigani> axw: yep it did
[04:02] <waigani> axw: same behaviour on trunk btw
[04:03] <axw> waigani: I'll try to repro, sounds odd
[04:04] <waigani> axw: that would be great, thanks
[04:11] <axw> waigani: I cannot reproduce on master. did you remove /home/ubuntu? userdel does not do that by default
[04:13] <ericsnow> Here's a patch that fixes the blocking bug if anyone has a minute: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/525
[04:15] <ericsnow> mgz_: you have a minute?
[04:15] <thumper> ericsnow: done
[04:16] <ericsnow> thumper: thanks
[04:37] <ericsnow> wallyworld: ping
[04:38] <wallyworld> ericsnow: hey
[04:38] <ericsnow> you have a minute to talk about reviewboard
[04:39] <wallyworld> ericsnow: sure, hangout?
[04:39] <ericsnow> sure
[04:40] <wallyworld> ericsnow: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/tanzanite-stand
[04:50] <waigani> axw: does it work for you?
[04:50] <axw> axw> waigani: I cannot reproduce on master. did you remove /home/ubuntu? userdel does not do that by default
[04:50] <waigani> axw: yes
[04:50] <waigani> strange
[04:50] <axw> *shrug*, just worked for me
[04:51] <axw> please look into what's going on there, because it doesn't sound right
[04:51] <waigani> yep
[04:52] <waigani> axw: just to confirm, 'scott' just needs to be in the sudoer's file
[04:53] <axw> waigani: well, I just s/ubuntu/scott/ in the juju file in /etc/sudoers.d
[04:54] <waigani> axw: did you delete or rename home dir?
[04:54] <axw> waigani: I deleted /home/ubuntu
[04:54] <waigani> axw: I did sudo adduser scott sudo
[04:56] <axw> waigani: I'll try again with that method.
[04:57] <waigani> axw: and I'll try swith your
[04:58] <waigani> axw: ah
[04:59] <waigani> axw: it's still ubuntu in sudoers.d
[04:59] <axw> waigani: ?
[04:59] <axw> waigani: it should be. if you just did "adduser scott sudo" that's just adding it to the group
[05:00] <waigani> axw: right, I thought that was enough
[05:00] <axw> waigani: what that doesn't do is enable passwordless login
[05:00] <axw> but if you have a password that should be fine
[05:02] <waigani> axw: scott has a password and I gave it to juju add-machine
[05:04] <axw> waigani: works for me using that approach too.
[05:04] <axw> waigani: my /home is 0755
[05:04] <waigani> axw: and *not* changing /etc/sudoers.d ?
[05:05] <axw> waigani: correct, I just did "sudo adduser scott sudo" and used the password
[05:05] <waigani> hmph
[05:25] <waigani> axw: I can't reproduce it now, everything seems to be working as expected.
[05:25] <axw> hrm ok.
[05:26] <axw> well, I say land it. CI and/or hazmat will complain if it's still broken ;)
[05:26] <waigani> okay, I'll jfdi it
[06:14] <voidspace> morning all
[06:19] <dimitern> morning voidspace
[06:19] <voidspace> o/
[07:16] <TheMue> morning
[07:18] <voidspace> TheMue: morning
[07:55] <stub> Reading the pain points spreadsheet, and I was thinking a manifest file in the charm, listing one or more URIs and the path to install or unpack them, could solve several items. It that the sort of thing already being talked about?
[08:08] <dimitern> morning TheMue
[08:09] <TheMue> dimitern: heya, seen my mail?
[08:14] <dimitern> TheMue, yep, I haven't had time to reply yet, but I'll get back to you soon (I have a call with Mark S in 15m)
[08:15] <TheMue> dimitern: ok, np, and thanks already
[09:26] <TheMue> Hmmmpf, shitty net, currently it dislikes me.
[10:03]  * fwereade_ is on a public holiday and not working
[10:03]  * fwereade_ would still like to express his frustration at not being able to express a `chan foo` as a `chan interface{}`
[10:27] <dimitern> TheMue, I think we need a branch to expose all capabilities on the apiserver/agent facade
[10:27] <TheMue> dimitern: I found a way
[10:27] <dimitern> TheMue, including the new one; no need to expose the environ config, just the part of the interface defined as state.EnvironCapabilities
[10:28] <TheMue> dimitern: I’ll paste the part, one moment
[10:28] <dimitern> TheMue, the provisioner and upgrader api facades have access to the environ config, but that's a hacky approach
[10:29] <TheMue> dimitern: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8052638/
[10:30] <TheMue> dimitern: I’m using the config too
[10:31] <dimitern> TheMue, ah, this looks nice
[10:31] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers
[10:32] <TheMue> dimitern: so right now the providers only return constants, now the second part letting them return real values
[10:33] <dimitern> TheMue, what constants?
[10:33] <TheMue> dimitern: as I understand the local bootstrap as well as manual and manually provisioned machines on other providers need the safe networker
[10:34] <dimitern> TheMue, yes, all the other cases (maas, ec2, etc.) will use the normal networker
[10:34] <TheMue> dimitern: true, but nothing I’ll push before the change descibed above. only wanted to see it compiling
[10:35] <TheMue> dimitern: do manually provisioned machines exist on maas too? today this isn’t covered
[10:36] <dimitern> TheMue, to make it reusable, I'd add a method to the agent that returns state.EnvironCapability, and internally uses the st.Environment().EnvironConfig() + config.New, etc.
[10:36] <dimitern> TheMue, manually provisioned machines can exist regardless of the provider the environment uses
[10:36] <TheMue> dimitern: ok, sounds good
[10:37] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers
[10:47] <dimitern> voidspac_, standup?
[10:47] <voidspac_> dimitern: sorry!
[10:47] <voidspac_> dimitern: TheMue: omw
[11:15] <dimitern> mgz_, hey
[11:16] <mgz_> hey
[11:16] <dimitern> mgz_, so you're switching to the juju ci team?
[11:16] <mgz_> yup
[11:16] <dimitern> mgz_, congrats! :)
[11:16] <dimitern> mgz_, that was kinda sneaky hehe
[12:21] <katco> good morning, team :)
[12:23] <mgz_> hey katco
[12:23] <katco> congratulations on the move, mgz_ :)
[12:44] <wallyworld> katco: hey, i'm back from soccer if you wanted to chat
[12:44] <katco> wallyworld: you're pretty much up to speed w/ what i'm doing. but we can definitely chat if you'd like :)
[12:45] <wallyworld> katco: only if you need to, happy to let you keep going... :-)
[12:45] <katco> wallyworld: $$greatful it landed$$
[12:45] <katco> err *grateful
[12:45] <wallyworld> :-)
[12:45] <katco> i do have one question: did you win? ;)
[12:49] <wallyworld> katco: nope, our stikers kept missing the net :-(
[12:49] <katco> aw bummer
[12:49] <katco> what position do you play?
[12:49] <wallyworld> left right out :-)
[12:49] <wallyworld> centre back
[12:49] <katco> ah! that was my old position :) sweeper/left fullback
[12:50] <katco> <3 defense
[12:50] <wallyworld> i like that position, less running
[12:50] <katco> haha
[12:50] <wallyworld> plus i read the game well, so it suits me
[12:50] <katco> yeah it always struck me as an analytical position
[12:51]  * wallyworld wonders if fwereade_ is around
[12:52] <TheMue> wallyworld: public holiday, but has been around this morning once
[12:53] <wallyworld> TheMue: tanks
[12:53] <wallyworld> thanks
[12:54] <TheMue> yw
[13:14] <mattyw> fwereade_, I'm working on that api to get a list of metrics if you fancy doing some bikeshedding with me ;)
[13:19] <jrwren> who are the eco folks?
[13:32] <ericsnow> mgz_: ping
[13:40] <mgz_> ericsnow: hey
[13:41] <ericsnow> mgz_: just following up on my reviewboard email :)
[13:41] <mgz_> yeah, 's in my queue of many emails to respond to...
[13:42] <ericsnow> mgz_: no worries (wanted to be sure it didn't get lost in the ether)
[13:46] <mgz_> ericsnow: short answer is past the charm and some minor changes, most of the work is in just deploying the thing
[13:46] <ericsnow> mgz_: awesome!
[13:46] <mgz_> so, ther's not *much* to pass over, one thing to sort out is where to host it
[13:47] <ericsnow> mgz_: I was considering pinging Curtis about that (after I'd gotten info from you)
[17:01] <alexisb> ericsnow, on and ready when you are
[17:02] <ericsnow> alexisb: brt
[17:38] <katco> alexisb: hey!
[18:45] <sinzui> hi katco ericsnow do either you have a minute to review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/526
[18:45]  * katco looking
[18:45] <ericsnow> sinzui: sure
[18:49] <katco> sinzui: looks benign to me, although i'm not sure exactly what
[18:49] <katco> hangs off of version.Version
[18:51] <ericsnow> sinzui, katco: yeah, same here
[18:52] <sinzui> ericsnow, katco Both version changes define the internal version juju or the installer reports. It is also the version that packaging will adopt
[18:52] <sinzui> I make this change after ever release, though since I haven't really released, I am a little disgruntled I need to make this change
[18:54] <ericsnow> sinzui: why don't we use some tagging mechanism in our versions (e.g. 1.20.0-a1, 1.20.0-rc3)?
[18:54] <katco> ericsnow: +1
[18:55] <natefinch> don't we do that?  we have like 1.20.0-alpha
[18:55] <katco> ericsnow: i mean presumably versions are free, but there's a cognitive overhead people have when you jump from 1.20.2 to 1.20.4 or 1.20.5
[18:56] <ericsnow> natefinch: not if version/version.go has anything to say about it
[18:57] <sinzui> natefinch, we cannot go back in time to tell 1.18 not to panic when it sees an alpha in the version
[18:57] <ericsnow> sinzui: yuck
[18:58] <natefinch> sinzui: oh, I see... so for 1.20.x we can't use our fancy new system for alphas, but for the release after, we can, correct?
[18:58] <katco> sinzui: so if we wanted to make that change, we need a major point release?
[18:59] <sinzui> natefinch, yep, all this pain of internal testing wouldn't be happening if we were already on 1.21
[18:59] <natefinch> sinzui: can we just call the next release 1.21? :)
[19:00] <ericsnow> sinzui: ah, it's just a 1.20 issue
[19:00] <sinzui> natefinch, well, we could all agree to abandon 1.20.x dev becomes 1.22-alpha1 and stable becomes 1.21-rc1...because that is how we are actually treating these branches/releases
[19:01] <natefinch> sinzui: version numbers aren't important to developers... but I presume there's someone else who would raise a stink if we did that
[19:02] <sinzui> natefinch, they are important to debian/ubuntu. Since 1.20.x is not in either, I don't think anyone would notice
[19:03]  * sinzui is not sure how to announce a major version that doesn't offer new features
[19:04] <natefinch> sinzui: "hey guys, this makes my life 100x easier and will mean we get releases out faster"  ... I think everyone will understand.
[19:04] <katco> sinzui: it supports v4 AWS signing i.e. China region :)
[19:04] <natefinch> there, see?
[19:04] <katco> not that i have enough information to have a horse in this race, but there's that
[19:05] <katco> _although_ we did not have a china instance to test against
[19:05] <katco> so i would hate to call that out as a major value-add and then have it not work (even though all signs say that it will)
[19:05] <natefinch> sinzui: the new feature is that dev revisions are now -alpha :)
[19:05] <katco> haha
[19:06] <sinzui> natefinch, the dev features really are alpha. Given the problems getting them to pass, I think we can say we are a month away from a  beta
[19:07] <sinzui> i even have plans to release an alpha until we have sorted out the utopic stable release
[19:13] <katco> sinzui: hey is there a doc that describes our release strategy? versions, process, etc.?
[19:13] <sinzui> katco, not versions since we just switched the process.
[19:14] <katco> sinzui: ah ok. i'd love to grok that at some point (like i don't already have enough to learn) :p
[19:15] <sinzui> katco, CI tests the release process so this doc and all the test scripts document what must happen to be a blessed https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1o0au1ZNPpA8sGBNj2yNgOV3PH7Oxpyqw3hQNuIFaS-w/edit
[19:15] <sinzui> katco, This template illustrates the automated and manual steps of a release https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1aPOHa_JNKjKd5lAcOlFahjbNl8V_KgtMx6rgYdC2f7k/edit
[19:16] <katco> sinzui: cool, thank you!
[19:16] <sinzui> katco, this is the log of the 1.20.1 release which is a little easier to read https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1BOWKU4Iqy363pp4w8IWBwabDT2TdA9fb4futQVjtuVQ/edit
[19:17] <natefinch> katco: odd minor versions used to be dev releases, even minor versions were stable.  But luckily we realized that was dumb and non-obvious, so we switched to "anything N.N.N is stable, anything N.N.N-<some_words> is a dev release"
[19:17] <katco> natefinch: ah ok
[19:18] <natefinch> katco: and stable releases only upgraded to new stable releases, and dev->dev.  so 1.20 is the cross-over, where it knows about the new naming scheme, but 1.18. which wants to upgrade to 1.20, doesn't.
[19:19] <katco> natefinch: gotcha. thus we can't fiddle with versions in 1.20 b/c 1.18 wouldn't know what to do?
[19:20] <natefinch> katco: correct
[19:20] <katco> makes sense
[19:25] <jcw4> TheMue, axw https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/527 PTAL :)
[20:36] <katco> fun friday fact: i just realized i have 3 8 core machines at my disposal here at home. that's quite nice :)
[20:37] <katco> i wonder if i could set up my own juju ci to continually run tests as i commit so it's not a big bang at the end :p


[11:05] <mlankhorst> ricotz: done, not sure how you couldn't do that yourself :p
[12:05] <mlankhorst> Prf_Jakob: does [PATCH] st/xa: Bind destination before setting new state fix the vmware xa crash?
[12:05] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: ah no, its another patch, I'll let you know which one
[12:06] <mlankhorst> ok ty
[12:09] <mlankhorst> well I still have 2 days to test before vmware workstation trial ends :P


[06:50] <trijntje> Hi all, I do testing on a real system, not a virtual one. How should I submit a hardware profile?
[08:08] <astraljava> trijntje: Here is a guide on Xubuntu, but it makes no difference what the flavor is, if any (meaning vanilla). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile
[08:12] <trijntje> astraljava: thanks! Is it possible to use that tool to just create a hardware profile,without running any of the tests?
[10:09] <astraljava> trijntje: I believe so, I haven't used it myself, yet.
[10:26] <trijntje> ah well, one way to find out ;)
[11:25] <smartboyhw> HI!
[11:26] <sagaci> ~4.5 til the meeting
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Yep, I'll be there.
[11:26] <smartboyhw> It's 1400 GMT.
[11:26] <sagaci> sorry, 2.5 hours
[11:37] <smartboyhw> sagaci: phillw will be chair, you know that?
[11:54] <sagaci> yup
[11:54] <sagaci> it's scheduled for midnight my time
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's bad.
[12:44] <letozaf_> Hello my name is Carla I would like to know if it's possible to use testdrive to test quantal ISOs as I see only precise ones configured, I tried to add quantal's one in the "other" tab, but it just seem not work
[12:46] <letozaf_> sorry got disconnect, now I'm back
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Yes, letozaf_
[13:22] <letozaf_> Hello my name is Carla I would like to know if it's possible to use testdrive to test Quantal ISOs as I see only Precise ones configured, I tried to add Quantal's one in the "other" tab, but it just seem not work
[13:29] <jpds> letozaf_: Someone replied: < smartboyhw> Yes, letozaf_
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Wait, I'm busying uploading Win 8 LPs.
[13:34] <sagaci> letozaf_, the testdrive-gtk pulls quantal isos by default
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Yeah, it should be using Quantal ISOs...
[13:44] <letozaf__> but on testdrive I get (precise) written in the description instead on quantal
[13:45] <letozaf__> do you mean that the ISOs are quantal's all the same ?
[13:49] <astraljava> letozaf__: Please hold for a moment, I'll check in a minute.
[13:49] <letozaf__> thank you
[13:52] <balloons> letozaf__, I believe testdrive let's you select which distro in preferences
[13:52] <astraljava> letozaf__: In the Preferences, make sure you have selected the quantal in the combobox under Ubuntu Releases, this can be found on the General tab.
[13:52] <balloons> make sure you've selected quantal
[13:52] <letozaf__> ok thank you
[13:52] <letozaf__> I'll check
[13:53] <smartboyhw> balloons, Hi!
[13:53] <letozaf__> yes you're right thanks again :)
[13:53] <smartboyhw> I did the ISO Testing Cadence.
[13:53]  * balloons waves
[13:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, awesome
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Let's see what will happen in today's meeting.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Starting in 6 minutes.
[13:54] <balloons> I guess it's a little confusing.. I know the tracker isn't setup nicely to show what we're trying to do sadly
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Just finished uploading 38 Windows 8 RTM LPs to MDL forums guys. Really tired.
[13:55] <balloons> smartboyhw, interesting
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Those guys all thank me for that.
[13:56] <cr3> me4oslav: you might be interested to know that your changes to checkbox are now in quantal!
[13:57] <smartboyhw> congrats, me4oslav
[13:58] <me4oslav> cr3 smartboyhw which changes? :) The home screen MR or the entire UI design change? ::)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Ask cr4
[13:58] <smartboyhw> cr3, sorry
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Is phillw here!? He is the chair!
[13:59] <me4oslav> well, I did mentioned cr3 too :D
[13:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: he is and has just logged on to -meeting :D
[13:59] <balloons> phillw reporting in
[14:00] <balloons> lol
[14:00] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Meeting started!
[14:12] <cr3> me4oslav: can you point me to your entire UI design change MR?
[14:13] <me4oslav> cr3, there isn't a MR -_- There is just a pretty sketched design :D https://picasaweb.google.com/100530892038948253747/CheckboxQT
[14:14] <cr3> me4oslav: without a MR, you can be sure those changes aren't in quantal :)
[14:15] <me4oslav> cr3, the things is the design I created is something I can't code :D I have to talk with the folks that are working on the main UI to get it implemented :)
[14:16] <cr3> me4oslav: you might be happy to know that someone is already working on unifying the scrollboxes with the list of tests and statuses
[14:17] <cr3> me4oslav: actually, it's done already. please pull the latest changes from trunk and run ./bin/checkbox-qt
[14:18] <smartboyhw> !support | cr3
[14:18] <ubot5`> cr3: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[14:18] <smartboyhw> !support | me4oslav
[14:18] <ubot5`> me4oslav: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[14:18] <smartboyhw> This channel is for testing issues, dude!
[14:19] <stgraber> smartboyhw: and development discussions on checkbox (a testing tool) are perfectly appropriate
[14:19] <cr3> smartboyhw: checkbox is also for testing :)
[14:20] <cr3> smartboyhw: in theory, checkbox could have its own channel but, in practice, there's not a lot of traffic about checkbox nor testing issues so it seems reasonable to share the same channel
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Hmm, guys, stay focused at the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting.
[14:46] <brendand> me4oslav, do you have checkbox 0.14.3 installed? if not what version do you have?
[14:46] <me4oslav> brendand - the latest trunk
[14:48] <brendand> me4oslav, try apt-get install checkbox-qt and see if it offers a version
[14:48] <brendand> new version
[14:48] <me4oslav> brendand, I'm on P ... will that do the trick?
[14:49] <cr3> brendand: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:checkbox-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install checkbox checkbox-qt
[14:49] <cr3> me4oslav: ^^^ that'll do the trick :)
[14:49] <cr3> the checkbox-dev ppa contains the latest crack of the day
[14:49] <me4oslav> cr3, MY HERO :D
[14:49] <sagaci> Ive been testing the regular desktop 32/64bit images and I can commit to doing that every few days especially around this part of the cycle just to make sure there nothing majorly wrong
[14:50] <cr3> balloons: ^^^ any particular tests you think sagaci should be running?
[14:51] <balloons> hey cr3 !
[14:51] <balloons> sagaci, yes you can test things that have been setup as a 'call for testing' on the package tracker
[14:52] <balloons> I assume you have used the isotracker in the past to report results on your iso testing ?http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:53] <sagaci> righteo I'll check it out tomorrow. Painful typing on Android teamviewer.
[14:54] <njin> ballons: hallo, how can I see my testecase preview for bind9 http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases
[14:55] <brendand> me4oslav, are you able to run checkbox?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> balloons: Can I co-ordinate the daily ISO testing?
[14:56] <balloons> sagaci, ok, well the package tracker is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/.
[14:56] <me4oslav> brendand, behold: http://i.imgur.com/wHDYN.png
[14:57] <balloons> sagaci, Email me https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs and I can share much more info and get you started, since your on your phone :-)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> balloons: Read my question?
[14:57] <sagaci> thanks, I'll have a read through it
[14:58] <brendand> me4oslav, you mean it's hanging like that?
[14:58] <me4oslav> brendand ... yup ;s And I can start it from trunk
[14:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ does not have the correct time, and it needs a Canonical person to edit it.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[15:00] <brendand> cr3, can we reproduce what me4oslav is seeing?
[15:00] <phillw> I'm a wiki editor, but I don't have access to that area of the wikis :)
[15:00] <me4oslav> brendand cr3 - probably not ... checkbox loathes me :D
[15:01] <balloons> njin, hey :-) yes, looking at it now
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Oh, that one. Thanks, phillw
[15:01] <brendand> me4oslav, can you make sure trunk is fully up to date (bzr pull)
[15:02] <me4oslav> brendand, well I did "bzr branch lp:checkbox" like 10 mins ago, so :)
[15:04] <brendand> me4oslav, let's try running from trunk
[15:04] <me4oslav> brendand, it fired up without any issues :) Now what? :P
[15:05] <cr3> brendand: better to look at the logs than try to reproduce
[15:05] <cr3> me4oslav: you upgraded both checkbox and checkbox-qt, right?
[15:07] <me4oslav> cr3 - yes, but who cares if it doesn't run _for me_ if it is installed? It works from trunk :D
[15:08] <cr3> me4oslav: if it doesn't work for you, maybe it doesn't work for others. it would be nice to know for sure
[15:09] <cr3> me4oslav: I would really appreciate if you could take a moment to report a bug and attach the logs from ~/.cache/checkbox
[15:10] <me4oslav> cr3 Hardly the case, a few weeks ago I did some terrible things w/ it (ran commands I shouldn't have ran) and since then it works only from tunk -_-
[15:10] <cr3> me4oslav: in that case, you might like to rm -fr ~/.cache/checkbox and try again
[15:11] <cr3> me4oslav: if that doesn't work, try to apt-get purge all checkbox related packages and try installing again
[15:13] <me4oslav> cr3, removing that did didn't do a thing. I will remove and try again ... but like I said I have screwed it in major way
[15:14] <cr3> me4oslav: make sure to purge, that should remove all traces of things you might've done :)
[15:30] <balloons> njin, I think I want to see it on the website
[15:30] <balloons> you can remove the template stuff at the bottom
[15:34] <cr3> balloons: the qa dashboard link on this page returns status code 404: http://qa.ubuntu.com/report-list/
[15:34] <balloons> njin, on the testcase side, looks good, just needs the 'expected results' added to the steps
[15:35] <smartboyhw> 404!!?!!?!
[15:35] <njin> ballons, yes, but I cannot figure out haw to see the preview for it
[15:36] <balloons> cr3, ahh.. good catch
[15:36] <balloons> that's moved as you can tell
[15:36] <balloons> njin, I'm not sure what accessyou have in the tool
[15:36] <cr3> balloons: indeed, just thought you'd be the right person to update the website accordingly
[15:36] <balloons> njin, I put it here: http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16266/testcases/1311/results
[15:37] <smartboyhw> balloons: Who's android-lee? I looked at the Top testers (current milestones) lists, and he's the first on it!
[15:38] <balloons> njin, in order to do that I added it to a product and created the build
[15:38] <balloons> I wonder if you are able to do this or not.. not sure how much access your permissions give you
[15:39] <balloons> smartboyhw, android-lee is a tester
[15:39] <balloons> just like you
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Wow, he's real active.
[15:40] <njin> smartboyhw, he's a great fun of bruce -lee
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:44] <njin> ballons, what do you think to run  server in VM and take some screenshot of the default install + the expected results for the verifies ?
[15:47] <njin> ballons, bwetter not
[15:48] <balloons> screenshots?
[15:49] <balloons> njin, yes we discussed the idea of screenshots in the past
[15:49] <balloons> we've stuck with text for the most part
[15:51] <njin> balloons, yes it can be good for the server, but for the desktop I think it needs a continuous upgrade work
[15:57] <balloons> njin, so if you can make sure the testcase follows the format of do A, expect B it should be all set
[15:58] <balloons> njin, notice it uses html tags.
[18:22] <njin> ballons, I've noted just now, writing the testcase that we have to choose two times the language... LOL
[18:24] <njin> balloons:^^
[18:25] <njin> I've to open another bug report
[18:25] <balloons> two times the language?
[18:25] <njin> yes, the firat at the start of the splash screen and the second at the language selection
[18:26] <njin> firat/first
[18:26] <njin> I'm wrong ?
[18:27] <balloons> ohh
[18:27] <balloons> I understnad, I thinki
[18:27] <balloons> hmm.. which iso did this appen on?
[18:27]  * balloons is still getting today's iso's
[18:27] <njin> today server 8debian installer
[18:28] <njin> today's build of server
[18:28] <njin> but in general all debian installer
[18:29] <balloons> ahh
[18:29] <balloons> so the alternate images?
[18:30] <njin> yes
[18:30] <njin> debian too
[18:30] <njin> ( not secure about debian)
[18:35] <njin> balloons, seems to me that chrisccoulson is working on it, so I open a report. I've run that installer hundreds of times and nevwer noted this fact
[18:35] <balloons> njin, ok
[18:35] <balloons> that is quite odd
[18:35] <balloons> I ran into something with ubiquity yesterday that was also weird on language
[18:36] <balloons> so I thought maybe that was what you were talking about
[20:06] <njin> balloons, http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16266/testcases/1311/results the first (default instalation) is done and verified step by step
[20:08] <balloons> njin, ok one sec
[20:09] <balloons> njin, ahh, so your starting to convert the server testcases :-)
[20:09] <balloons> cool
[20:09] <njin> tomorrow I will do a real hardware installation to see the difference with the wireless
[20:09] <njin> yes
[20:09] <balloons> You can remove the case id at the top
[20:10] <balloons> let me look at the behind the scenes and check the formatting :-)
[20:10] <njin> ok, tomorrow I will write the walkthrought
[20:11] <njin> now i've to go, see you soon
[20:11] <balloons> njin,
[20:11] <balloons> njin, k.. let's talk tomorrow when your around
[20:11] <njin> ok
[21:01] <balloons> phillw, ping
[21:05] <phillw> balloons: pong
[21:06] <balloons> phillw, check out my response to Lance and the wiki page
[21:07] <balloons> I hope it helps a little.. I realize the idea is still a bit confusing and off
[21:07] <balloons> if there's anything else I can do to help clarify or make it easier let me know
[21:08] <phillw> thanks for the reply.
[21:08] <balloons> also, while I have you. I need to schedule that meeting
[21:09] <phillw> frustrated testers are not productive testers :)
[21:09] <balloons> heh.. it's a big agenda.. everything to do about iso testing.. the scheduling, how we're doing it, the communication, respins, the testcases we're running
[21:09] <balloons> all of it needs discussed
[21:09] <balloons> so, my question to you is what's the best format for the lubuntu guys?
[21:09] <balloons> irc, video hangout, combination?
[21:10] <balloons> and what's the best time in general to meet (in UTC)?
[21:11] <phillw> I'm pretty sure that for a one off, they'd be flexible. Best way would be to put the poll to allow people to state when they could attend a special meeting. for such a thing, I'm available at any time.
[21:13] <balloons> yes, I thought about polling
[21:13] <balloons> but honestly it's such a big discussion it's going to end up as several meetings.. perhaps not
[21:13] <balloons> perhaps a mailing list thread is best
[21:14] <balloons> i'm going to have a think on it
[21:16] <phillw> maybe start something along the lines of a whiteboard?
[21:18] <balloons> phillw, hmm.. ok, elaborate if you would
[21:20] <phillw> balloons: along the lines of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items ? I'm trying to find the live whiteboard!
[21:25] <balloons> phillw, :-)
[21:29] <phillw> we have found it invaluable. We can bring up topics, the devs can tell us where things are upto etc.
[21:32] <balloons> phillw, send me a link whenever you find it again.. no rush
[21:44] <phillw> balloons: (22:40:07) phillw: hi Boss, do you have the link to the quantal whiteboard to hand? (The one that we can actually edit, not the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items one).
[21:44] <phillw> (22:40:46) Julien: it's the one on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-q-work-items
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:01) phillw: hmm, how do you edit it?
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:04) Julien: there is a section "Whiteboard" which you can edit
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:22) Julien: you are login in launchpad ?
[21:44] <phillw> (22:41:30) phillw: got it!
[21:45] <phillw> i've changed the irc nick as he does not get pinged.
[21:45] <phillw> *so as he does not get pinged*
[21:53] <phillw> it looks like kate set them up, I'm sure she can provide further information as to how they function. Another option is the etherpad as used by the release team?


[11:21] <mop> hi all, is it possible to have a git repository on LP without an associated project ?
[11:21] <mop> if yes: what is the procedure ?
[11:23] <cjwatson> mop: yes; push to a "personal" repository URL (https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs)
[12:09] <mop> cjwatson, implicit creation WOW ! thnx
[12:12] <wgrant> We carried over implicit creation from bzr (since it's essential there -- you don't want to have to register each branch through the web UI manually!)
[12:12] <wgrant> Nobody's complained yet about typos, which was my main fear.
[12:13] <mop> wgrant, ok, and in the same way is possible to associate more than one git repo to a project ?
[12:15] <cjwatson> mop: Yes, although the situations where you need that are much more limited than they are with bzr.  See the URL above for details.
[12:15] <mop> many tnx
[17:11] <renatosilva> can anyone please remove a stacked branch for me? it's useless but can't delete
[17:11] <renatosilva> (and the locking person never answered me, and his branch is useless as well)