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 @lynorian wxl: tested yesterday daily, shortcuts including Meta/Super key  doesný match our manual.
 Meta open Menu
 (Photo, 800x672) https://i.imgur.com/Qzkjb1L.jpg yesterday daily. Papirus (not dark) icons looks good. About LXQt, Skanlite, Screenshot, and all the other problematic appear white.
 Yeah, it is much more visible.
 I will install it to see if it changes something. In my "rolling" installation skanlite, screenshot, about lxqt and nm-tray appear black.
 when changing to papirus (not dark).
 My 19.04 machine updated the icons automatically.
 good! maybe because i play to much I broke something.
 can't log into phab
 Unhandled Exception ("InvalidArgumentException") ... Value provided to "replaceQueryParam()" for key "scope" is NULL. Use "removeQueryParam()" to remove a query parameter.
 Hmm, I was already logged in on this machine, let me try another one.
 I got the same error.
 We should probably ping @tsimonq2 and @teward001 ^
 icons: nope, doesn't work
 at least in live
 is papirus-dark w/o colorize set.
 pcmanfm-qt looks bad in live
 I think I know the problem. Will try to fix today.
 mmm, apparently it hasn't landed https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fdisco/src/
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/hZmlmGV.jpg Must be I changed mine.
 looks good
 have you managed to configure notifications right?
[14:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T184: Define and Implenet Default Settings for touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[14:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T185: Define Default settings for notifications] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
 @HMollerCl [have you managed to configure notifications right?], Still tweaking that. I am tempted to disable it. Most of the applications I use already have some sort of notification archive anyway.
 I have disabled for now.
 @kc2bez we shoudl also define touchapd default settings, do you use lubuntu on a laptop?
 Yes, I have both a laptop and desktop.
 we need to define this https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 maybe make a poll?
[15:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
 we could make it in twitter, to encgache auddience.
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[17:50] <lynorian> Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in openbox? It does not seem to do anything by default and makes it so you can't use keyboard shortcut in libreoffice to reorder lists in libreoffice writer
 @lynorian [<lynorian> Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in …], not that I know
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 @tsimonq2 why hasn't this landed? https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57
[20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] change icon theme to papirus (not dark) and colorize on widget style (icon_follow_color_scheme) false.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57
 Uh, good question, sorry...
 another question, today is feature freeze, what means that?
 No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception
[20:52] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
 ^
 @tsimonq2 [No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception], But this is the tl;dr
 @tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? create our own or remove the noDisplay=true from the master?
 @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? …], The latter
 ok, we had in lxqt a .desktop to launch directly he "additional driver tab" was this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/view/head:/data/software-properties-drivers.desktop.in
 but know i lauches the -gtk version
 my problem is that only we want that version
 so, NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE; is enough?
 I think you can do `OnlyShowIn=LXQt;` to do what you want @HMollerCl
 @HMollerCl [another question, today is feature freeze, what means that?], https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-February/001255.html
 @kc2bez [I think you can do OnlyShowIn=LXQt; to do what you want @HMollerCl], Ahh, yes
 thanks @kc2bez !
 Np anytime.
 now?!
[22:03] <kc2bez> o/
[22:04] <lynorian> \o
[22:04] <guiverc> o/
[22:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: oh fearless leader
 I'm in a car
 Everyone else go first
 @tsimonq2 [I'm in a car], Driving?
 @N0um3n0 [Driving?], Stop lights and talk-to-text don't count
 shoould I go first?
[22:10] <kc2bez> Sure go ahead.
 ok. Most important thing is that software-properties-qt now has additional driver tab
 I'm working now into making icons appear
 I mean, .desktop icons
[22:11] <lynorian> cool
[22:12] <kc2bez> Awesome!
 there is still some merged needed @tsimonq2 for debconf. I don't know if tehre are additional drivers that need debconf but if they are currently don't work
 I want to start packaging update Norifier
 I have a problem thoug, how upgrades are handled.
 discover and muon are not great for upgrades. Discover is slow and muon cannot be started with upgrade tab on.
[22:15] <lynorian> I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't notice slowness there
[22:15] <kc2bez> Yeah, discover isn't that bad on my desktop.
 So I try to make our own upgrade. But I've not being totally successfull. I mage a graphic but I don't get information during the installation process, sometyimes faield and I get no info. I tried to open a terminal, but after it completes it close it and don't know the exit status.
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't noti …], I haven't been able to run discover in a 2Gb core duo2 @1.83. It tottaly freeze my laptop
 and that's for me this week I think.
 ojjjj, sorry for my typos
[22:17] <lynorian> I have been quite busy I did relatively little for me
 you were on vacations I thouht.
[22:18] <kc2bez> No worries Hans, thanks for the update.
[22:18] <lynorian> For part of it but then came back to get stuff done
[22:19] <kc2bez> It looks like you have been getting some good stuff in the manual lynorian
[22:19] <lynorian> I filed bug 1816665
[22:21] <kc2bez> I did try to reproduce on my disco install but I didn't try on my cosmic machine. What is your host?
 lubuntu 18.10
[22:21] <lynorian> I tried to start some of the sddm configuration to the manual but have found that going to be a bit difficult
[22:22] <lynorian> Today I noticed several parts of appendix F for keyboard shortcuts would be really hard to understand if you don't grok openbox config files so I did a few changes on that
[22:22] <lynorian> also more of libreoffice impress stuff with spacing and indents
[22:23] <lynorian> I also realized in the openbox config control+alt+up and control+alt+down are used but we have openbox intercept these for a shortcut that does not work by default
[22:23] <kc2bez> Appendix F looks much better, Awesome!
[22:24] <lynorian> Appendix C now has how to open nano as that is the most new user friendly command line text editor
[22:24] <lynorian> I also added how to customize quick launch in the panel
[22:25] <lynorian> and making a pdf I have compelted that but the problem is the chapter numbering is really wierd
 Since I'm now above ground on the train home: @wxl I'm waiting on Walter's response email. That's my only update this week.
[22:26] <lynorian> that is it for me on this week
 I have one question regarding manual
 what about differente versions?
 it's incremental or all version is anew manual?
[22:27] <lynorian> Well for that I need to make a branch in git
[22:28] <lynorian> and the build will need to checkout the branch
[22:29] <lynorian> so I should probalby make a branch for 18.10 and continue development in master
[22:29] <lynorian> I think that answers all your question?
[22:30] <guiverc> :) @ lynorian (quick launch info - I already found it REALLY useful!) & Thanks  (from me & other dumb users)
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I think that answers all your question?], yes, thanks!
[22:30]  * lynorian is done
[22:31] <kc2bez> Thanks lynorian, fantastic work!
[22:31] <kc2bez> guiverc: Anything for us?
[22:32] <guiverc> I've done nothing, so nothing to say except sorry. (i've got a new [2009] box I'll setup for lubuntu, but haven't found my dvi-vga convertors to make use of it yet [wanted due packaging issues, & yeah my stuff (freebies) is all that old!].   FYI if anyone needs testing in OLD equipment (HMollerCl), I may be useful!
[22:33] <kc2bez> Cool, that should be good for testing some stuff.
 ok, thanks!
[22:35] <kc2bez> wxl: What is new with you?
[22:39] <kc2bez> While we wait I can go.
[22:40] <kc2bez> With a lot of help from @tsimonq2 I was able to get the Calamares packaged.
[22:40] <kc2bez> This may help with https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] make Calamares work well with smaller screens: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:41] <kc2bez> One of the things that was added was the ability to set window size.
[22:42] <kc2bez> From the release announcement "In particular, the setting windowExpanding can be set to normal, fullscreen or noexpand."
[22:43] <kc2bez> fullscreen might help with that, I don't know though, I haven't tested it.
[22:44] <kc2bez> I think that is it from me, @tsimonq2 or wxl you back?
 wxl time
[22:54] <wxl> ok here work jeez
[22:54] <wxl> life has been extra insane for me lately, but i did a little triage
[22:54] <wxl> and generally lent some feedback to support work others are doing
[22:54] <wxl> at least i'm not totally useless :)
[22:55] <kc2bez> Far from it. ^
[22:55] <wxl> well, i just haven't been at the level of activity i'd like to be at
[22:55] <wxl> i think i'm going to go to the hotel that no one else is going at for lfnw and just hide in my room and get stuff done at night
[22:56] <wxl> meanwhile i'm sure @tsimonq2 will be blowing up my phone
[22:56] <kc2bez> XD
[22:56] <wxl> WHERE ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU OMG THEY HAVE FREE BREAKFAST XD
 XD
[22:57] <wxl> that's it for me, really
[22:58] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything you do!
[22:58]  * wxl shrugs :)
 I forgot
 I created 2 tasks.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define Default settings for notifications: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
 define default settings for touchapd and notifications.
 I propose: ... - disable notifications ... - touchpad: tap to click, two finger scroll, no acceleratio
[23:06] <wxl> i liked your settings for the first one. you should include that screenshot. my vote is just do it unless you hear someone complain within the next week
[23:06] <wxl> why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes?
 @wxl [<wxl> why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes?], I ended up disabling i.
 was to much, and the notifications that are important still appear
 i'ts only that they are not stored
 the unatended notifications
[23:08] <wxl> oh hm
[23:08] <wxl> please put that in the task
 done, I updated the title
 for touchpad, I was thinking we could make a poll in tweeter, to engage audience.
[23:10] <wxl> i think phab has a poll thing
[23:11] <kc2bez> tbf what you proposed is normal for most distros I think.
[23:12] <wxl> ^^ that's another approach. see what others are shipping
[23:14] <kc2bez> Having the ability to easily change it will be nice for those that don't care for the defaults.
 actually, I don't use other distros
 unless someone thinks win10 is another distro.
[23:17] <kc2bez> It is a user experience that we should consider I suppose.
 but I believe that the standard is tap to click and 2 finger for scrolling. Not sure aboout acceleration
[23:18] <kc2bez> I think that can vary more on device than OS.
 Oh hey!
 hey! Long time no see.  Sorry!!!! Been slammed at work.  Keen to get going again
 It's alright :) we'll get you back into it
 How've you been otherwise?
 Outside of super busy at work pretty good you?  How's studies?


[03:43] <qengho> fg
[04:01] <qengho> So, I'm flipping chromium to use more recent debhelper, which REALLY wants me to use dh_strip differently and make dbgsym packages. I'm trying to figure those out. How do those workk with PPAs?
[04:08] <qengho> Should I kill the old -dbg packages immediately? Is that a requirement?
[04:10]  * qengho lunch
[04:30] <hikiko> Hi
[04:56] <robert_ancell> qengho, I'm pretty sure -dbg is dead now that Debian has started using -dbgsym
[05:06] <RAOF> qengho: I believe that PPAs get dbgsym packages built for them (or possibly you can opt-in for them?)
[06:07] <qengho> RAOF: PPAs don't have it by default, but an owner can turn it on in PPA +edit.
[06:08] <qengho> RAOF: I keep wanting to type "ROUS". :(
[06:19] <ROUS> Hah! ROUS is already registered :)
[06:23] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <Laney> ahoy
[07:50] <willcooke> Trevinho, hikiko - morning.  Is there a way to force U7 in to low gfx mode?  So we don't rely on it detecting missing features?
[07:50] <willcooke> morning Laney
[07:51] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke, pitti :)
[07:51] <hikiko> yes
[07:51] <hikiko> willcooke, you do this:
[07:51] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:51] <hikiko> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
[07:51] <hikiko> and you start u7 from that terminal
[07:51] <hikiko> or!
[07:51] <pitti> hey Laney and willcooke, bonjour didrocks ! how are you guys?
[07:51] <hikiko> you run ccsm
[07:51] <hikiko> and in unityshell plugin settings
[07:51]  * pitti waves to hikiko too
[07:52] <hikiko> you select the low gfx mode
[07:52] <hikiko> hi pitti didrocks Laney :D
[07:53] <hikiko> willcooke, last option in General unityshell
[07:53] <hikiko> but if you want to check the new features, better open a terminal and run:
[07:54] <hikiko> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
[07:54] <hikiko> unity --replace ccp&
[07:54] <hikiko> I don't know if they are merged already though
[07:55] <Laney> hey pitti willcooke didrocks hikiko!
[07:55] <Laney> the dream team
[07:55] <Laney> today it is raining
[07:55] <hikiko> how is south africa?
[07:56] <Laney> but I'm grrrrrrrrreat!
[07:56] <hikiko> do you have winter there?
[07:56] <Laney> "winter"
[07:56] <Laney> you'd think it was the worst weather on earth from what people were saying before we came
[07:56] <Laney> but yesterday it was 23
[07:56] <hikiko> lol
[07:56] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, perfect
[07:56] <Laney> cheese and wine party last night
[07:56] <pitti> Laney: just as Europe starts getting real summer..
[07:56] <Laney> me and ximion plotted the new appstream generator
[07:57] <pitti> Laney: ooh, nice! any SA specialities?
[07:57] <Laney> lots!
[07:57] <Laney> import regulations meant that you couldn't really bring cheese in
[07:57] <Laney> so it was mostly SA stuff
[07:57] <Laney> salty stuff, soft stuff, hard stuff, herby stuff
[07:57] <Laney> biltong-y things from various animals
[07:57] <pitti> they have a quarantine on food?
[07:58] <Laney> and some shady home brewed spirits from attendees
[07:58] <Laney> :)
[07:58] <pitti> haha
[07:58] <pitti> Laney: Salmiaki again? I still remember that from last year
[07:58] <Laney> didn't see that this time sadly
[07:59] <pitti> maybe better
[07:59] <Laney> there were 3 homebrewed bottles of rakia
[07:59] <Laney> labelled 30%, 50%, 70%
[07:59] <pitti> "so, we have this really complicated bug in the appstream gen... ah screw it, more salmiakki!"
[07:59]  * Laney only tried the middle one which was hardcore enough for me
[07:59] <Laney> it's "how could you do this for PPAs / bikesheds?"
[07:59] <pitti> Laney: the 70% is the one you need several mugs for to carry it around, right?
[08:00] <Laney> mugs of painkillers for the next day
[08:01] <Laney> pitti: so, summer you say?
[08:02] <Laney> http://www.bbc.com/weather/ng5 h[D"mm"
[08:02] <Laney> oops
[08:03] <didrocks> Laney: was it as good as cheese and wine from last year? :)
[08:03] <Laney> didrocks: not as late, not as much headache the next morning :)
[08:03] <Laney> but no didrocks, so obviously it was way worse
[08:04] <didrocks> :p
[08:09] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:10] <Trevinho> willcooke: forcing the low gfx mode... Easy.
[08:10] <hikiko> willcooke, also if you need the lowgfx from the beginning maybe ctrl+alt+f1, login, export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1, systemctl restart lightdm.service
[08:13] <Trevinho> willcooke: I wanted to write it in the mail, but with the landing PPA, just add this
[08:13] <Trevinho> cat ~/.config/upstart/pre-unity7.conf
[08:13] <Trevinho> start on starting unity7
[08:13] <Trevinho> stop on desktop-end
[08:13] <Trevinho> pre-start script
[08:13] <Trevinho>  initctl set-env -g UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1
[08:13] <Trevinho> end script
[08:13] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[08:14] <Trevinho> or setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 should be the same
[08:18] <andyrock> morning all
[08:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.disable-shadows-lowgfx/+merge/299111
[08:23] <hikiko> good morning andyrock
[08:23] <hikiko> I disabled the shadows in low gfx
[08:27] <hikiko> ...
[08:27] <hikiko> you renamed the GetLowGfxMode()?
[08:27] <hikiko> :/
[08:28] <hikiko> I have to merge it to Trevinho's branch I guess?
[08:28] <andyrock> hikiko: yep
[08:28] <hikiko> okie
[08:28] <andyrock> do we really need to disable them
[08:28] <andyrock> ?
[08:29] <hikiko> well, we skip filling the shadow textures
[08:29] <hikiko> I don't know
[08:29] <hikiko> I'd disable them in low gfx
[08:30] <andyrock> oki
[08:30] <hikiko> andyrock, we can always make it configurable later
[08:35] <seb128> good morning desktopers (sorry a bit late, did some offline work and then had to go for some errands)
[08:36] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:36] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:42] <seb128> salut pitti
[08:42] <seb128> how are things around?
[08:43] <pitti> seb128: quite well, thanks! I'm slowly understanding NM config :)
[08:43] <seb128> our new NM maintainer!
[08:44] <pitti> user, my friend, user! :-)
[08:45] <seb128> lol
[08:53] <Trevinho> hikiko: I'm not sure disabling them all is fine. In my unity low gfx branch I've already reduced them a lot.
[08:53] <Trevinho> hikiko: have you tired the ppa?
[08:53] <hikiko> Trevinho, why not completely remove them?
[08:54] <hikiko> It doesn't look bad without
[08:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: it's hard to discern windows
[08:54] <Trevinho> As we've no borders
[08:55] <Trevinho> I've reduced them a lot... It shouldn't be expensive
[08:55] <hikiko> ok
[08:56] <seb128> hey Trevinho hikiko
[08:56] <hikiko> hi seb128
[08:56] <Trevinho> seb128: hi Sebastian!
[08:57] <seb128> Trevinho, *ien*
[08:57] <seb128> ;-)
[08:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ups, sorry :-P
[08:58] <seb128> no worry!
[09:02] <alexarnaud> Dear seb128, Trevinho, willcooke, didrocks and all :) !
[09:02] <seb128> lut alexarnaud
[09:03] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: hey
[09:10] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud
[09:30] <ksamak> alexarnaud: hoy XD
[11:30] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney: if you want check the deb changes and publish, feel free https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1619 ;-)
[11:32] <seb128> Trevinho, you removed gnome-settings-daemon as an alternative in the upstart job, is that wanted? it's not documented in the changelog
[11:36] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, it's not needed for ages...
[11:36] <Trevinho> seb128: there's even an upstart job for it AFAIK
[11:37] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, I'm not saying it's an issue, I just don't like unrelated changes to be sneaked in without being mentioned in the changelog
[11:37] <seb128> anyway not a blocked for landing
[11:37] <seb128> but you are going to need to do without that one in the SRU or at least explain in the changelog that it's wanted and the rational
[11:38] <seb128> Trevinho, should I press publish then?
[11:38] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, yeah... changelog is sometimes too short for infos :-)
[11:38] <seb128> there is no limitations there
[11:38] <Trevinho> seb128: if you believe so... :-)
[11:39] <seb128> Trevinho, k, publishing pressed
[11:42] <willcooke>  Trevinho can I find out if low gfx mode is on by doing a "echo $UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE"
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: what you mean=?
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: but... No, in case it's set you can't get by that if done with auto-detection
[11:44] <seb128> vag
[11:44] <seb128> bah
[11:44] <willcooke> Trevinho, how can I find out if Unity has decided to enable low gfx mode if I haven't forced it
[11:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: it's $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu-lowgfx
[11:45] <willcooke> nice one, thanks Trevinho
[11:45] <seb128> why does it say publishing failed?
[11:45] <Trevinho> seb128: mh
[11:45] <Trevinho> let me check
[11:45] <seb128> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-002-2-publish/2/console
[11:45] <seb128> says success
[11:45] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe because Automated Signoff 	Failed
[11:45] <seb128> ah
[11:45] <seb128>  2016-07-05 13:42:38 +0200 (britney-bot) britney_signoff: Failed
[11:46] <Trevinho> seb128: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1619/landing-002-yakkety/excuses.html
[11:46] <seb128> it's stll building on armhf
[11:46] <seb128> did you just retry it?
[11:46] <seb128> shrug
[11:46] <seb128> it landed anyway
[11:46] <Trevinho> mh, no I didn't retry
[11:46] <seb128> it's on yakkety-changes
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe it has to publish debs ?
[11:47] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.5.0+16.10.20160705.4-0ubuntu1
[11:47] <seb128> dunno but it's retrying build
[11:47] <seb128> so let's see
[11:47] <Trevinho> willcooke: do you want me to prepare a ppa too?
[11:47] <Trevinho> willcooke: for xenial, I mean... although it's coming in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-063/+packages
[11:47] <Trevinho> but it might be temporary
[11:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, I can wait
[11:51] <willcooke> I can test on a Y VM
[11:53] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok good
[11:53] <Trevinho> willcooke: the xenial ppa should be reeady though
[11:54] <willcooke> thx Trevinho
[11:54] <Trevinho> willcooke: if you don't want me to do a copy of it
[11:54] <Trevinho> but that should last for the whole SRU process, so not just few days
[11:54] <willcooke> sounds good
[12:14] <willcooke> doh.  I installed lubuntu
[12:18] <seb128> snap version?
[12:18] <willcooke> nah, for my vm to test the speed ups
[12:18] <seb128> oh, k
[12:29] <Trevinho> willcooke: sru packages should be built for xenial too
[12:29] <willcooke> Trevinho, that was quick, thanks
[12:37] <willcooke> bah, looks like 16.10 daily is broken.  segfault in dpkg I think
[12:37] <willcooke> seb128, anything I should do before blowing it away and trying again? ^  (I can't seem to get to vty1)
[12:42] <seb128> willcooke, hum, I don't know sorry
[12:42] <willcooke> seb128, np
[12:43] <seb128> there was a buggy dpkg uploaded yesterday but it was fixed in the morning
[12:43] <seb128> unsure if that's the bug you are seeing
[12:48] <Trevinho> willcooke: are you going to test the xenial SRU silo or should I?
[12:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, just about to test on a VM, but if you would test as well that would be good
[12:49] <seb128> I'm going to give it a try as well
[12:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, with your upstart script I still couldn't force low_gfx mode
[12:50] <seb128> Trevinho, the armhf build retry on yakkety worked!
[12:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: you speak of Xenial or yakkety?
[12:51] <Trevinho> seb128: nice
[12:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, Xenial
[12:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: Mh, weird it didn't work... What you get in upstart unity7. Log?
[12:52] <willcooke> Trevinho, just updating this machine, sec
[12:52] <willcooke> hm, that said - I'm not seeing blur behind the dash, so maybe it is working
[12:53] <seb128> what made you say it's not working? expecting greater difference?
[12:55] <willcooke> seb128, when I echo $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE it says "ubuntu" not "ubuntu-lowgfx"
[12:56] <seb128> where/how did you change/set it?
[12:56] <seb128> or I guess you are trying in a vm and you expect it to autowork?
[12:56] <Trevinho> mhmh
[12:56] <willcooke> via the upstart script T_revinho posted (at 09:13 BST)
[12:56] <seb128> what vm/do you have 3d there?
[12:56] <Trevinho> willcooke: is it running? Add an echo on it to verify
[12:57] <willcooke> seb128, it's a virtualbox vm
[12:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, sorry, does not compute.  Add the echo where?
[13:00] <Trevinho> willcooke: to the upstart job you added in ~/.config/upstart
[13:01] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, but where in there?  just inside the script section?  And where does it get logged to?
[13:02] <Trevinho> willcooke: yes, inside the script. output will go in ~/.cache/upstart/name-of-the-conf-file.log
[13:03] <willcooke> Trevinho, oki, done.  Can I just restart lightdm to make it run?
[13:03] <willcooke> ls
[13:03] <willcooke> oops
[13:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: restarting lightdm is saner as a test
[13:03]  * Trevinho tries this in his 2nd laptop too
[13:04] <willcooke> Trevinho, oki, I see the output in the log
[13:04] <willcooke> s/output/echo
[13:05] <willcooke> but
[13:05] <Trevinho> willcooke: anything from unity7.log instead?
[13:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, nothing about low gfx - and just in case I'm making things very confusing for you, I haven *not* install the silo yet - I want to do some benchmarking first
[13:08] <seb128> confusing
[13:09] <seb128> it's normal the profile says "ubuntu" if you don't have the silo
[13:09] <seb128> the lowgfx profile is a new one added in that silo
[13:09] <willcooke> there we go
[13:09] <seb128> current archive version turns off some effects but doesn't have a special profile
[13:09] <willcooke> so my original question remains then :)  How can I tell if non-silo Unity has decided to enable low gfx mode or not?
[13:10] <seb128> just benchmark what you see and try upgrade ;-)
[13:10] <seb128> ah
[13:10] <seb128> unsure if we write that info anywhere
[13:10] <seb128> Trevinho probably knows if we do though
[13:10] <willcooke> so probably looking at the dash blur is as good as anything then?
[13:10] <seb128> yes
[13:11] <willcooke> cool, thanks seb128
[13:11] <seb128> yw!
[13:11] <Trevinho> willcooke: the profile that has been chosen is visible in the unity7.log or in the variable
[13:11] <Trevinho> willcooke: also the unity7.log will show the unity support test results
[13:12] <Trevinho> anyway, SRU ppa works fine in my testing machine too, so... I'd approve that and go through the process
[13:13] <seb128> Trevinho, the question was if/how we can tell if the current xenial version is optimizing for lowgfx
[13:13] <seb128> no specific profile there
[13:15] <Trevinho> seb128: if there are animations or shadows, then it's using the old one
[13:15] <Trevinho> shadows on windows..
[13:15] <Trevinho> the one in the panel is still the same
[13:15] <Trevinho> or the switcher detail...
[13:15] <seb128> Trevinho, "old one"?
[13:16] <Trevinho> seb128: the one not optimized :)
[13:16] <seb128> k
[13:16] <seb128> I think you don't understand the question
[13:17] <seb128> though the question is probably not important
[13:17] <seb128> it was basically "if I use current trusty/xenial there are some lowgfx optimization done, how can one tell if that kicked in or not"
[13:27] <willcooke> installed!
[13:27] <willcooke> feels snappier
[13:32] <Trevinho> seb128: eh, there's no programmatic way, you can tell that by the fact that dash and other views are opaque and not blurred
[13:32] <desrt> willcooke: placebo effect =)
[13:33] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for confirming, that's what we assumed ;-)
[13:33] <Trevinho> yeah, sorry... I misread the questions :)
[13:33] <seb128> no worry
[13:34] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, it feels nicer here, still slower than native rendering but at least you don't have the skipping frames feeling
[13:35] <seb128> opening the dash is nicer
[13:35] <seb128> before you could see like 10 steps jumping
[13:35] <seb128> now there is no lag
[13:36] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/lp1530277/+merge/299156
[13:36] <seb128> hikiko, Trevinho, good work!
[13:36] <Trevinho> yeah, animations are off now
[13:37] <Trevinho> muktupavels: does that needs a FIXME comment to? I mean, isn't this a way to say that there's no support for scaling yet?
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128, willcooke: if you want to see how real sw rendering works there you can instead export the LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 var
[13:39] <muktupavels> Trevinho: well this does require more work to add full HiDPI support, but it will be enough to get Metacity themes working.
[13:39] <Trevinho> muktupavels: ok, add some comments about that then
[13:40] <muktupavels> what do you want to see in comment? Mutter and Metacity use same thing, that line will remain there... So fixme comment sound wrong - it will not get removed.
[13:42] <Trevinho> seb128, willcooke: also for resizing I've moved back to the rectangle mode... I've tried the normal mode here, and it's still quite fast, but maybe it's better to be conservative, and in case people could use the normal one. What you think?
[13:42] <muktupavels> Trevinho: gtk-window-decorator probably will need something similar to this - https://git.gnome.org/browse/metacity/commit/?id=e6cf7fd3f8edd74eadf38ff0ccf326817605850c
[13:44] <muktupavels> Trevinho: same or similar commant like in this commit -https://git.gnome.org/browse/metacity/commit/?id=a1b96fd6a8ff7187297f6ae2051b33cdb176c5d4 ?
[13:47] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, I saw that, real time resizing isn't too laggy here but is a bit so unsure, looks fine with the rectangle one
[13:47] <Trevinho> seb128: here too isn't laggy... But not sure that's because I've powerful machines
[13:48] <seb128> mine is a 6 years old i5
[13:48] <seb128> which is quite slow for nowadays standards
[13:48] <seb128> but it's not a netbook
[13:50] <seb128> hum
[13:52] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, unsure if that's a regression or a problem in my vm but I activated the workspaces in u-c-c appaerance and I don't get the icon in the launcher nor extra workspace when trying to ctrl-alt-direction
[13:52] <Trevinho> mmhmh
[13:52] <Trevinho> seb128: in low-gfx mode?
[13:53] <seb128> yes
[13:53] <seb128> could be a bug not having to do with the profile
[13:53] <seb128> it's a vm so I didn't try the high-gfx mode
[13:54] <willcooke> sorry, was in a meeting, reading
[13:55] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I guess it has to do with profile...
[13:55]  * Trevinho prepares a patch for UCC
[13:55] <Trevinho> it has to read the profile in use
[13:55] <Trevinho> I didn't think about that....
[13:56] <Trevinho> So, yeah.. i guess we need to read the env, and fallback to unity if not defined
[13:56]  * Trevinho tried that only from ccsm -_-
[13:56] <seb128> we can't have workspace in lowgfx?
[13:58] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, but ucc is changing the setttings in the wrong profile
[13:58] <Trevinho> seb128: I wonder you can't change also the launcher size from ccsm
[13:58] <seb128> going to some errands, back in half an hour
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, can't you change it in the current profile?
[13:59] <seb128> I guess that's your patch you want to do?
[13:59] <seb128> get the current profile and write there
[13:59] <seb128> btw that's what we said during the call
[13:59] <Trevinho> seb128: yes
[13:59] <seb128> having different profile leads to that class of issues
[13:59] <willcooke> Trevinho, @ rectangle - +1 to keep it like that
[13:59] <Trevinho> I know
[13:59] <willcooke> i.e. keep rectangle mode on in low gfx
[14:00] <Trevinho> seb128: of course we could keep track of the previous profile and sync in case, but imho it's too hassle
[14:00] <Trevinho> seb128: fixing ucc is easy though
[14:00] <seb128> right
[14:00] <seb128> unity tweaks as well? ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> dunno what they are doing
[14:00] <seb128> anyway need to jump out for a bit
[14:00] <seb128> brb
[14:30] <Trevinho> seb128: once you're back... fix for that is in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1635 (see related MP)
[14:35] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, please fix commit message on https://code.launchpad.net/~lathiat/unity-control-center/lp1304388/+merge/297137, I've not the powers
[14:48] <Trevinho> seb128: prepared also the SRU branch (after syncing and creating a 16.04 branch, that you should mark as default for the milestone): https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-control-center/x-sru3/+merge/299174
[14:48] <seb128> Trevinho, back, looking
[15:30] <seb128> hum?
[15:30] <willcooke> ding ding
[15:30] <willcooke> meeting time
[15:30] <qengho> oh hai
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-07-05
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul  5 15:30:45 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (conference), hikiko, laney (conference), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:31] <FJKong> hey
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:33] <willcooke> I have andyrock's notes so lets' start
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> # DONE:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1595698] Panel requires click+hold on secondary monitor to access menus
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1578792] nautilus/files doesn't show up in the launcher when unpinned
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Fix Unity Compile Failure with pch disabled
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1597706] Unity shell not drawn if show desktop is activated
[15:33] <willcooke> and a window is in fullscreen mode
[15:33] <willcooke> # WIP:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- [BUG:1575452] Copy/move dialog cannot be switched to
[15:33] <willcooke> # OTHERS:
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Bug triaging
[15:33] <willcooke> |-- Code reviews
[15:33] <willcooke> [BUG:1599133] Blinking file manager icon when opening a device/volume window .
[15:33] <willcooke> done ^
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> finished the menu patches and submitted them upstream for review
[15:34] <attente> doing some patch review of anpok's gtk-mir patches
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> nicely done attente, thanks!
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> desrt, we'll come back round
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <FJKong> hi
[15:36] <FJKong> finish some translation bug for MeiZu phone and still on processing bug#1588646 bug 1588675 1588660
[15:36] <willcooke> oops, I missed you dgadomski, will come back
[15:36] <FJKong> review bug#1534492 Can't use fcitx for Chinese with QtCreator Edit
[15:36] <FJKong> tracing sogou IM indicator loading crash
[15:36] <FJKong> of
[15:36] <FJKong> e
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong, did your phone arrive from Boston?
[15:37] <FJKong> not yet
[15:37] <FJKong> I send email to Nancy
[15:37] <willcooke> oki thanks, let me know if it's still not there
[15:37] <FJKong> ok
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey, this week in the desktop area it's just:
[15:37] <dgadomski> * found a bug #1598183, reported upstream, working on fixing it
[15:37] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> Are you around happyaron?  I am assuming not
[15:38] <willcooke> 30s timeout...
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:39] <willcooke> * fixes for low gfx mode
[15:39] <willcooke> * reviews for low gfx mode
[15:39] <willcooke> * oem documents
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:39] <willcooke> are you around Laney ?
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:40] <qengho> Hi hi hi!
[15:40] <qengho> - Cr deb housekeeping:
[15:40] <qengho> -- Syncing much of Debian's Cr package to Ubuntu. Use more system libs, gold lin
[15:40] <qengho> ker, maybe not component build any more.
[15:40] <qengho> -- debhelper compat update and move to dbgsym packages, killing dbg.
[15:40] <qengho> - Finish debugging RPi Cr SEGV crash.
[15:40] <qengho> - Finish Cr snap package.
[15:40] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:41] <qengho> :)
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:41] <seb128> can I pretend to not be around like everybody else? :-p
[15:41] <willcooke> :)
[15:41] <seb128> • some xenial SRUs for .1 (update-notifier, gnome-menus, sponsored gtk+, reviewed unity-settings-daemon)
[15:41] <seb128> • interviews
[15:41] <seb128> • debugged snappy/gtk (cleaned up the common launcher) & qt (icons & menus missing) issues with d_idrocks
[15:41] <seb128> • started on the unity8 MIRs (building list, triaged it, pinged some people, filed some bugs)
[15:41] <seb128> some more snapping debugging/experimenting
[15:42] <seb128> that took most of my start of week but I didn't note down specifics, sorry
[15:42] <seb128> looking at gvfs and xim

[15:42] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - more snap work: l10n, moved to plugins
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - security: CVE-2016-4324 was a pain
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> - getting rcs in share for yakkety
[15:42] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:43] <willcooke> * Upgraded to yakkety.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Built and installed latest snapd from xenial-proposed for yakkety... Why is snapd not being updated for yakkety in lockstep with xenial?
[15:43] <willcooke> * Finally got my first slightly complicated snap working, after a little help from reading other snaps and a derp on my part... Now onto another slightly complicated one, that will use the new optical-drive plug.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Prepped to get PulseAudio 9.0 into yakkety, just waiting for the latest NMU version to appear in the debian archive before I can merge and upload.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Snaps completed so far: flac (not uploaded anywhere yet), vorbis-tools (slightly complicated, but all seems ok so far).
[15:43] <willcooke> * Next snaps on my agenda: cdparanoia (CD ripping library and tools)
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:44] <seb128> TheMuso, "Why is snapd not being updated for yakkety in lockstep with xenial?" ... wdym? it is
[15:44] <seb128> it's blocked in yakkety-proposed though
[15:44] <seb128> you should know about proposed by now ;-)
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Released compiz 0.9.13
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Using triggers noawait in bamf
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created unity-lowgfx compiz config profile
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Rewritten compiz damage code to use C++ vectors
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Improved unity_support_test to consider llvmpipe as software rendering
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Updated unity7 upstart job to use appropriate profile depending on graphic support
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed unity-control-center to change settings in current compiz profile
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Landed (almost) new compiz, bamf, nux and unity
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created xenial branches for Nux, Compiz and UCC
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Prepared SRU branches and landing silo for BAMF, compiz, libunity, unity, unity-control-center, unity-lens-applications and nux
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Various reviews for unity and compiz
[15:45] <Trevinho>   /EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho :)
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:46] <willcooke> - Landed Ubuntu review / snap authentication upstream
[15:46] <willcooke> - Worked on paid snap support
[15:46] <willcooke> - General GNOME Software fixes
[15:46] <willcooke> - snapd bug filing and attempting to fix issues myself
[15:46] <willcooke> - Prep for snap sprint
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:46] <willcooke> Not sure what happened to tkamppeter or desrt today - please let me have your updates by email.
[15:46] <willcooke> let's wrap.
[15:46] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  5 15:46:58 2016 UTC.
[15:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-07-05-15.30.moin.txt
[15:47] <seb128> or happyaron or Laney
[15:47]  * Trevinho can go to the beach now :-P
[15:47] <seb128> those people are conf not sending their summary!
[15:48] <tkamppeter> Sorry, here I am:
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Started work on a new filter for text-only printers, in C (to be able to read the PPD) and with more useful PPD options.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Printer Drivers as Snaps: Hangout meeting with Gustavo Niemeyer, Zygmunt Krynicki, Jamie Strandboge about how to snap printer drivers. Conclusion: Snap CUPS first and let driver snaps be plug-ins for the CUPS snap. Possible side effect CUPS as snapped core system component can lead others to snap other core system components and make distros totally modular.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - LSB SRU for Epsin printer drivers made it into Xenial. Finally.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students through their projects
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:49] <tkamppeter> willcooke, will send it to you by e-mail, too.
[15:50] <willcooke> tkamppeter, no worries - thats fine, thanks1
[16:24] <seb128> Trevinho, ok, branches reviewed/acked
[16:24] <seb128> on that note going for some exercice
[16:24] <seb128> I'm going to be around a bit more later
[16:25] <seb128> have a nice evening those who call it a day meanwhile
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: danke
[20:00] <willcooke> night
[22:27] <TheMuso> seb128: Ugh you're right, I do know about proposed, totally forgot to look there...


[23:43] <RAOF> Bah. ‘make test’ doesn't depend on the output of the build, so you need to manually run the build before testing changes.
[23:43] <RAOF> Thanks, cmake!
[23:45] <RAOF> Huh. Trunk doesn't build?
[23:47] <RAOF> Hah! Doesn't build with g++ 4.6, because override.
[23:48]  * RAOF blows away his build tree again.


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[02:58] <Terran_99> hello !!!
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[03:00] <Terran_99> Hello??????
[03:00] <Terran_99> Hola??????????
[03:08] <dolomite> Terran_99 #kubuntu-es
[03:09] <Terran_99> oh thx
[07:07] <ljunggren> Hai, im running ubuntu 14.04 with lxqt installed.. i need the kde control center, do any of you know the name of it so i can install it?
[07:09] <tsimpson> ljunggren: "systemsettings"
[07:09] <ljunggren> its just that? thank you based tsimpson
[07:10] <tsimpson> the KDE guys got there first with the name
[07:18] <lukas_> do you give help?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:11] <jubo2> G'morning BluesKaj
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hi jubo2
[11:14] <jubo2> /howis BluesKaj
[11:17] <BluesKaj> fine, jubo2, and you?
[11:19] <jubo2> I'm good thanks
[11:19] <jubo2> Gonna see if Kubuntu 14.04.1 will run well on this machine with only 2GB of RAM
[11:19] <jubo2> thanks a bunch Sam sung for going "Who'd want to use bigger then 2GB comb?"
[11:19] <jubo2> I am downloading it when I get home
[11:19] <jubo2> it'd be rather unecological to download gigabytes over HSPA+
[11:21] <BluesKaj> jubo2, it might be a bit sluggish
[15:51] <dmoyne> Hello every body. I amback with my sound problem after migration from 13.10 to 14.04 distribution. Any one that can help me?
[15:56] <SunTsu> dmoyne: only if you actually describe your problem. Elw how would we know if we can?
[15:56] <SunTsu> Else even
[15:57] <dmoyne> ok it seems to be associated with migration because if I install Kubuntu 14.04 for test on my computer from CD, it works
[15:58] <dmoyne> so can we say that my souncard is not involved in this
[15:58] <dmoyne> If I do this :
[16:00] <dmoyne> modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload it reactivates sound which is not acceptable
[16:00] <dmoyne> can this help you to tell me what is wrong
[16:01] <lordievader> dmoyne: Does 'pactl list' list your soundcard as a sink?
[16:02] <dmoyne> how doI test this
[16:02] <lordievader> dmoyne: By running the command in your terminal and making sure your soundcard is listed as a sink ;)
[16:04] <dmoyne> I get a huge output!
[16:04] <lordievader> dmoyne: That's quite correct ;)
[16:05] <dmoyne> how do I know about sink
[16:06] <dmoyne> how do I know about sink modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload then the information I give now maybe misleading
[16:08] <dmoyne> read  after doing modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload
[16:12] <lordievader> dmoyne: I don't understand anymore :(
[16:14] <dmoyne> I wanted to say that pactl list was executed after doing modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload then the result maybe misleading
[16:16] <lordievader> dmoyne: Ah yes, please reboot and see if your sound card is listed there as a sink.
[16:17] <dmoyne> ok I do it
[16:24] <dmoyne> the ouput of pactl list looks to be the same with or without sound activated; of course now after reboot no sound
[16:25] <lordievader> dmoyne: Allright, so Pulseaudio is fine. Hope you didn't reload alsa again.
[16:25] <dmoyne> nope
[16:26] <lordievader> dmoyne: Great, have you installed pavucontrol?
[16:28] <dmoyne> yes it is installed and I have just done pavucontrol in console
[16:28] <lordievader> dmoyne:Do you see the meters jump up and down when you play an audio file?
[16:29] <dmoyne> can I uste the audio kubuntu settings to make this test
[16:29] <dmoyne> read use
[16:30] <lordievader> dmoyne: Yes, though Amarok or something is easier.
[16:30] <dmoyne> and how can I use audio file with no sound
[16:31] <lordievader> dmoyne: What do you mean?
[16:32] <dmoyne> forget it with amarok playin radio chanel I have the horizontal layer moving right and left
[16:34] <dmoyne> if I go to configuration I see no sound card available
[16:35] <lordievader> dmoyne: Is it listed under output devices?
[16:36] <dmoyne> yes in Display I have All Output Devices
[16:38] <lordievader> dmoyne: And that meter too jumps up and down?
[16:39] <dmoyne> in what i see the movement is horizontal with mute on the left side
[16:39] <lordievader> dmoyne: And it is not a dummy output I suppose?
[16:41] <dmoyne> yes because this what I see in mixer of kubuntu setting of course what should not be there
[16:41] <lordievader> dmoyne: Is it a dummy output or not?
[16:42] <dmoyne> it is as I said
[16:43] <lordievader> dmoyne: Your answer can be interpreted both ways, hence I asked again...
[16:43] <dmoyne> no problem you are the leader
[16:44] <lordievader> dmoyne: So can you answer my question please?
[16:44] <dmoyne> this dummy output is the diagnostic
[16:46] <lordievader> dmoyne: I was talking about the 'Output Devices' tab of pavucontrol. Is there a dummy output there?
[16:48] <dmoyne> pavucontrol shows the horizontel bar moving right and left but does not tell me anything about the output used
[16:48] <dmoyne> hoops it is indicated on to in the left corner
[16:49] <dmoyne> read on top
[16:51] <lordievader> dmoyne: The output devices tab lists one or more output devices, is the dummy output among them?
[16:55] <dmoyne> I am seing the output devices tab; at the bottom of the display I see Dispaly with 3 items that are proposed; in there no dummy ouput
[16:56] <lordievader> dmoyne: Ok great. Is the output of the applications directed towards the correct output?
[16:57] <dmoyne> what is selected in Display is All Ouput Devices
[16:58] <dmoyne> I can choose also Hardware Ouput Devices and Virtual Ouput Devices
[17:01] <lordievader> dmoyne: In Display? Where do you see that?
[17:02] <dmoyne> This is a JComboBox in which I can select the display which is for the time bieng All Output Devices
[17:03] <lordievader> dmoyne: JComboBox?
[17:04] <dmoyne> I am not sure that I am anserwing your question
[17:05] <dmoyne> the main window has the title Volume Control
[17:06] <lordievader> dmoyne: Lets go back to pavucontrol, under the Playback tab is the right output selected for your applications?
[17:08] <dmoyne> my problem is that I read words in French and translating in English; let me select the English language and reactivate pavucontrol
[17:15] <dmoyne> In the window I am looking at under tab "output peripherals" :
[17:16] <lordievader> dmoyne: We've already confirmed that dummy output ain't there, have we?
[17:16] <lordievader> dmoyne: Go to the playback tab and make sure the applications point to the right output device (if you have multiple).
[17:17] <dmoyne> in the top let cornet an icon "Sortie Factice" (dummy output)
[17:19] <lordievader> dmoyne: Could you send a screenshot of that?
[17:20] <dmoyne> I  have5 tabs : I am looking the third one Périphériques de sortie (Output Peripherals)
[17:21] <lordievader> dmoyne: I understand that, what I do not understand is that the conclusion has changed... I'd like to see a screenshot ;)
[17:21] <dmoyne>  I can send a scrrenshot but not on the chat can you give your e-mail
[17:21] <lordievader> !paste | dmoyne
[17:23] <dmoyne> !paste | dmoyne
[17:27] <dmoyne> I do not know how to do that
[17:28] <lordievader> dmoyne: Open ksnapshot, make a screenshot, save it somewhere and tehn upload it to imgur.
[17:28] <lordievader> then*
[17:30] <dmoyne> I have my screenshot saved then what
[17:30] <lordievader> dmoyne: Upload it to imgur.
[17:30] <lordievader> !paste | dmoyne
[17:30] <lordievader> !screenshots | dmoyne
[17:33] <dmoyne> can you see my chatwindow.jpeg
[17:34] <lordievader> dmoyne: You haven't given me the link to the screenshot.
[17:37] <dmoyne> how do I find your link
[17:38] <dmoyne> Ihave to give what my URL
[17:38] <lordievader> dmoyne: Did you upload it to imgur?
[17:39] <dmoyne> as far as I know yesi have my image displayed then what
[17:39] <lordievader> dmoyne: Copy the url and paste it here.
[17:40] <dmoyne> http://imgur.com/mcv36H4 is is what you want
[17:42] <lordievader> dmoyne: Hmm, could you pastebin the output of "pactl list"
[17:45] <dmoyne> it is huge I have a list of 26 modules , then clients and other staff displayed
[17:45] <dmoyne> what do you mean with pastebin
[17:46] <lordievader> dmoyne: sudo apt-get install pastebinit&&pactl list|pastebinit
[17:46] <dmoyne> I cannot make a screenshot soth of the output in my console
[17:48] <dmoyne> I have installed pastebin
[17:48] <lordievader> dmoyne: Run the command I gave you ;) That will give you a link, paste that link here.
[17:49] <lukas_> i have a problem with kubuntu last version and touchscreen,the tablet does not detect second tapping to double-click.I guess i changed some settings ,do you have any idea?thx
[17:49] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906793/
[17:50] <dmoyne> soory most of it is in french
[17:50] <lordievader> dmoyne: At least it agrees with pavucontrol ;)
[17:51] <dmoyne> and sorry for all this work you do for me
[17:51] <dmoyne> does that give you some idea
[17:52] <lordievader> dmoyne: Can you paste the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio" in the same way?
[17:55] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906855/
[17:55] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906863/
[17:56] <lordievader> Hmm, interesting. Driver is loaded but PA doesn't want to use it.
[17:56] <lordievader> dmoyne: What's the output of 'aplay -l
[17:57] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906879/
[17:58] <lordievader> Ah, PA is not behaving nicely. Could you run "pulseaudio -k&&sleep 1&&pactl list|pastebinit"
[17:58] <nfk> which one are you trying to use, dmoyne
[17:58] <nfk> ?
[17:59] <nfk> lordievader, why are you killing PA before listing stuff?
[18:00] <lordievader> nfk: Twofold, I already know what it spews out, and I want to know what it spews out when it is reloaded. Check the backlog ;)
[18:00] <nfk> i don't have any
[18:00] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906913/
[18:00] <nfk> i just arrived trying to find a channel for more technical kubuntu topics
[18:01] <nfk> dmoyne, which output are you  trying to use and did you make sure that in pavucontrol it is being used for that particular application?
[18:01] <lordievader> dmoyne: Well so much for that. Reloading PA does not fix it. Would it really be ALSA?
[18:02] <dmoyne> what do you mean pavucontrol is still running
[18:02] <lordievader> dmoyne: Could you give the output of "dmesg|grep snd
[18:02] <lordievader> dmoyne: Could you give the output of "dmesg|grep snd|pastebinit"*
[18:02] <nfk> lordievader, can you explain which output is causing trouble and if the usual stuff was tried?
[18:03] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906941/
[18:03] <lordievader> nfk: ALSA sees the soundcard, PA does not. PA only sees the fallback dummy output.
[18:03] <nfk> soundcard?
[18:04] <lordievader> nfk: Yes.
[18:04] <nfk> i only see one integrated into a gigabyte mobo and the video adapter which is radeon so needs support from driver , too, iirc
[18:04] <lordievader> dmoyne: Hmm, would the HDMI soundcard interfere with the onboard one...
[18:04] <nfk> *and another integrated
[18:05] <nfk> lordievader, dmoyne, can i have a screenshot of pavucontrol main tab?
[18:05] <lordievader> I'd like one of the Configuration tab ;)
[18:05] <nfk> and, to make sure, it's the analogue audio from mobo and not over HDMI that is not working?
[18:07] <dmoyne> what do you mean thre are 5 tabs selectable
[18:07] <nfk> i want the first
[18:08] <nfk> and i suspect lordievader wants the last
[18:08] <lordievader> Correct.
[18:08] <lordievader> dmoyne: It's also called "Configuration" in french ;)
[18:08] <dmoyne> ok
[18:10] <dmoyne> I told you before in Configuration nothing, it is empty with no sound card available disabled
[18:10] <nfk> oh, and i'd like to see the 3rd tab "output devices" as well
[18:11] <dmoyne> ok i do it
[18:14] <dmoyne> http://imgur.com/Bo4WG7V done here
[18:15] <nfk> and that is dummy output?
[18:15] <lordievader> nfk: Yes.
[18:15] <lordievader> dmoyne: Right, was afraid of that.
[18:16] <nfk> btw, if you want to capture only one window ksnapshot has "window under cursor" mode
[18:16] <lordievader> dmoyne: So the only know solution at this time is to force a reload of alsa right?
[18:16] <mcstr____> ksnapshot is awesome i think
[18:16] <nfk> select that and then make a new screenshot from ksnapshot window and click on the window you want to snapshot
[18:17] <nfk> lordievader, is the cause known
[18:17] <nfk> ?
[18:17] <dmoyne> yes but I cannot put tha in a Autostart script
[18:17] <nfk> usually this would happen if something hogged the output or if user had misconfigured stuff on their own
[18:17] <lordievader> nfk: Not to me. Alsa sees it, PA does not...
[18:17] <nfk> lordievader, was the pulseaudio -v examined?
[18:17] <lordievader> dmoyne: Do you happen to havea  .asoundrc?
[18:18] <lordievader> nfk: Nope. dmoyne Could you do that?
[18:18] <nfk> better ask if he has fiddled with audio output or something
[18:18] <nfk> it should just work out of the box
[18:18] <dmoyne> why when testing Kubuntu 14.04 from CD sound is installed
[18:18] <nfk> especially if it's not an ancient pulseaudio version
[18:19] <nfk> dmoyne, you mean sound worked with live cd but did not after you installed kubuntu on HDD?
[18:19] <lordievader> nfk: He upgraded from Saucy.
[18:20] <dmoyne> my present distribution results from a migration from 13.10
[18:20] <dmoyne> I have 2 computers with the distribution and the same problem
[18:21] <lordievader> dmoyne: Have you messed with any pulseaudio or alsa config?
[18:21] <dmoyne> yes I meant testing Kubuntu 14.04 on same computer from live CD: sound ok
[18:22] <nfk> dmoyne, have you edited pulseaudio or alsa cofiguration on your own?
[18:22] <dmoyne> Ido not think I have intefred with that but I tried to teinstall everything with same problem
[18:24] <dmoyne> I do not remember having done so but can we clean setting to make it is clean
[18:24] <nfk> or maybe you're using something unsual like jackd?
[18:25] <dmoyne> I have jackd installed and I do not know what for
[18:25] <nfk> or maybe changed permimissions, udev rules or user groups?
[18:25] <dmoyne> I have jackd installed and I do not know what for
[18:25] <lordievader> dmoyne: Is jackd running?
[18:26] <nfk> well, technically modern jack and pulseaudio can coexist perfectly, as far as i am aware
[18:27] <nfk> but it could indicate that audio setup has been messed arond with
[18:28] <dmoyne> let me check for jackd
[18:29] <nfk> actually... i don't see jack support among pulse modules which means pulse could not connect to jack, as far as i can tell
[18:29] <dmoyne> according to surveillance of system not
[18:30] <nfk> though i don't use PA-Jack in the intended way and only use Jack for connecting MIDI applications
[18:30] <nfk> surveilence?
[18:30] <dmoyne> do you want me to unistall it
[18:30] <nfk> no
[18:30] <nfk> just try ps aux | grep jack
[18:30] <lordievader> jackd could hijack alsa though. And if it does before PA starts it would be an explanation.
[18:30] <nfk> it would not hijack
[18:31] <lordievader> It did back when I used it ;)
[18:31] <nfk> pulse would actually intentionally give it the device and then act as jack client by default
[18:31] <nfk> thogh in my setup it's actually jack that acts as pulse client
[18:31] <dmoyne> there is no proceesus with that name listed
[18:32] <nfk> dmoyne, try pulseaudi -k && pulseaudio -v
[18:32] <nfk> and if does work then copy and paste the huge output to pastebin
[18:32] <nfk> or try to understand on your own what goes own
[18:33] <nfk> i expect it should say something long the lines "device locked, skipping" or something like that when it gets to your sound hardware
[18:34] <dmoyne> it does work but with no end
[18:34] <nfk> oh, an idea
[18:34] <nfk> lsof /dev/snd/*
[18:34] <nfk> what does that return?
[18:34] <nfk> dmoyne, yes, it will output a lot
[18:35] <nfk> dmoyne, and you can kil lit by clicking Ctrl+C with that terminal active
[18:42] <dmoyne> if I add pastebinit and doCtrl+C I do not get a URL for you
[18:42] <nfk> yes, you can't do it that way
[18:42] <nfk> well, you could from another terminal do pulseaudio -k
[18:43] <nfk> that way pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebin would work
[18:43] <nfk> just remember that sometimes after pulseaudio -k the application will be automatically restarted before the pulseaudio -v one is started
[18:44] <nfk> but in that case output of pulseaudio -v will be only few lines instead of a lot
[18:45] <dmoyne> you mean pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit
[18:45] <nfk> yes
[18:46] <dmoyne> after CTR+C no URL proposed which is normal
[18:46] <nfk> no, instead in another terminal do pulseudio -k
[18:47] <nfk> it will kill the pulseaudio -v instance
[18:47] <dmoyne> I am lost here in one terminal pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit
[18:48] <nfk> Ctrl+C kills the pulseaudio -v | pastebinit command as whole
[18:48] <nfk> yes
[18:51] <dmoyne> and in another pulseaudio -k only
[18:51] <nfk> yes after you confirm that pulseaudio -v has printed all the interesting output (about 1 or 2 seconds should be enough)
[18:52] <nfk> and please also post lsof /dev/snd/* | pastebin
[18:52] <nfk> it's short, simple and will provide a good insight as to what is going on
[18:52] <dmoyne> ok pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit in one terminal
[18:54] <dmoyne> in another pulseaudio -k only but I get a message in first terminal that has stopped like you are trying to send an empty message
[18:54] <dmoyne> no URL
[18:55] <nfk> argh, just do lsof /dev/snd/* | pastebinit
[18:55] <nfk> to hell with that pulseaudio -v
[18:56] <dmoyne> idem at the end the message as told above
[18:56] <dmoyne> no URL
[18:57] <nfk> are you sure pastebinit is the right application?
[18:57] <dmoyne> what do you mean
[18:57] <nfk> i don't use it myself so i might be wrong on its name
[18:57] <lordievader> nfk: What would be wrong with it?
[18:58] <lordievader> nfk: It just uploads everything it gets through stdin to paste.ubuntu.com in the default case.
[18:58] <nfk> dmoyne, actually, do you have lsof installed?
[18:58] <lordievader> If there is output that is.
[18:58] <nfk> lordievader, not if it's the error stream
[18:58] <dmoyne> dmesg|grep snd|pastebinit
[19:00] <dmoyne> forget preceeding message ; no lsof running but might be intalled I check
[19:01] <dmoyne> it is installed
[19:01] <nfk> lsof will not be running
[19:02] <nfk> it's a program that shows which program has opened the particular file
[19:02] <dmoyne> do I uninstall
[19:02] <nfk> no
[19:03] <nfk> lsof /dev/snd/* will show what has opened the system files corresponding to your sound abstraction files
[19:04] <dmoyne> do I run this in terminal
[19:05] <nfk> yes, lsof /dev/snd/*
[19:05] <dmoyne> done
[19:06] <nfk> well, did it output anything?
[19:06] <dmoyne> nada
[19:08] <nfk> now try pulseuadio & and then try using an audio application
[19:08] <nfk> you can start the audio application from gui
[19:08] <nfk> like pavucontrol
[19:09] <nfk> and see if it still does sees only dummy/doesn't output anything
[19:10] <nfk> lordievader, could it be that kubuntu has split off alsa module for PA or something
[19:11] <nfk> basically it doesn't seem like anything has taken control of audio devices
[19:11] <lordievader> nfk: What do you mean?
[19:11] <nfk> so pulseaudio should be able to take control
[19:11] <nfk> assuming there are devices there
[19:11] <dmoyne> I have the same screen as before for pavucontrol with dummy ouput on third tab
[19:11] <nfk> getfacl /dev/snd/controlC* | pastebinit
[19:11] <nfk> try that
[19:11] <lordievader> nfk: aplay -l does list the devices.
[19:12] <nfk> aplay is ALSA
[19:12] <nfk> pulse would be paplay
[19:12] <dmoyne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907495/
[19:12] <lordievader> nfk: I know, but in my understanding PA rides on top of ALSA.
[19:13] <nfk> and alsa would not appear as having opened the files, basically the kernel alsa is what allows for those device nodes in /dev/snd/ to be created and then applications would use libalsa to use those device nodes
[19:17] <nfk> dmoyne, permissions look correct
[19:17] <nfk> and nothing has opened those files
[19:17] <nfk> in short, it should work
[19:17] <nfk> the only explanation at this point is that your pulseaudio is not able to use those files
[19:17] <nfk> which can only happen with custom configuration or missing modules
[19:18] <nfk> and frankly at this point i do not remember enough about PA to tell which of those cases it is and i really should let anotehr user use the computer for a while
[19:18] <nfk> *another
[19:20] <nfk> actually, maybe i can
[19:21] <nfk> i don't see module-alsa-card in your PA module list
[19:21] <nfk> it's either not loaded or not even present on your system or something
[19:22] <nfk> in case if it's present but not loaded it's likely due to misconfiguration
[19:24] <nfk> dmoyne, lordievader, the system should have /usr/lib64/pulse-4.0/modules/module-alsa-card.so
[19:24] <nfk> best try /usr/lib64/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so
[19:25] <nfk> *best try ls /usr/lib64/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so
[19:25] <nfk> *best try ls /usr/lib/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so
[19:25] <nfk> this will work also on 32 bit systems
[19:26] <lordievader> nfk: /usr/lib64 doesn't exist on my Kubuntu partition. The .so files exists though.
[19:26] <lordievader> Oehh, fancy Gentoo has PA5 :D
[19:27] <nfk> for a while, i think
[19:27] <nfk> and how do you know it's gentoo?
[19:27] <trevize> hello, I have a fat32 hd with shitloads of lost files in it. do u guys know a software where I can recover those files in kubuntu?
[19:27] <nfk> i have had 5.0 for over a month at least
[19:27] <lordievader> nfk: That's what I run ;)
[19:27] <nfk> me too
[19:28] <nfk> i thought i had accidentlly posted my pat with 5.0
[19:28] <dmoyne> I have this module installed in usr/lib64/pulse-4.0/modules/
[19:28] <nfk> er.. .what was i even trying to type there?
[19:29] <nfk> dmoyne, and does that folder really not include module-alsa-card.so?
[19:29] <nfk> this sounds weird
[19:29] <nfk> can any kubuntu user confirm that file is present on their systems?
[19:29] <lordievader> nfk: I just did.
[19:29] <nfk> and it is there, right?
[19:30] <lordievader> In /usr/lib/pulse-4.0, yes.
[19:30] <nfk> lordievader, can you do something like equery b for kubuntu to find what installed that file for your kubuntu?
[19:30] <nfk> <--- not very apt with debian utilities
[19:30] <tsimpson> 'dpkg -S /path'
[19:31] <tsimpson> or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:31] <tsimpson> or !find
[19:31] <lordievader> Its from 'pulseaudio' package.
[19:32] <nfk> dmoyne, have you been deleting files?
[19:32] <dmoyne> I have /usr/lib/pulse-4.0/modules/module-alsa-card.so
[19:32] <nfk> dmoyne, anyway, reinstall pulseaudio
[19:32] <nfk> herp
[19:32] <nfk> then say so
[19:32] <nfk> no need to reinstall pulseaudio then
[19:32] <nfk> dmoyne, then it must be your configuratio
[19:32] <nfk> n
[19:32] <nfk> and it was done by someone who admins your system
[19:33] <dmoyne> when you update a distribution normaly you delete files
[19:33] <nfk> dmoyne, are you sure pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio & not enough to fix your audio?
[19:33] <nfk> no, you don't delete files
[19:34] <nfk> *is not enough
[19:34] <nfk> okay, letting another person use the system, bb
[19:34] <dmoyne> ok I do now complete reinstallation of pulsaudio that I already did before
[19:34] <nfk> i said pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio &
[19:35] <nfk> if that does not help, then it must be configuration issue
[19:35]  * nfk out
[19:35] <lordievader> nfk: Thanks for the help :D
[19:37] <BluesKaj> which audio chip dmoyne ? I asked yesterday, but I've forgoten
[19:38] <dmoyne> pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio & gives me this [1] 8734
[19:38] <dmoyne> but does not bring sound back
[19:40] <dmoyne> but in kubuntu sound setting "Serveur de son PulseAudio" apears which is a good point
[19:40] <mcstr____> hmmm.... any idea where i have stored an icon theme? it's not in /usr/share/icons and i can't find it anywhere via the search function, however it must be in the right folder as i see it and cen select it in application appeareance in system settings
[19:42] <mcstr____> its also not in my own home folder/.icons
[19:43] <dmoyne> what do you mean by audio chip
[19:45] <dmoyne> do you want me to reinstall pulseaudio now
[19:46] <dmoyne> BluesKaj: do you mean sound card
[19:47] <BluesKaj> dmoyne, chip listed in alsamixer upper left
[19:49] <dmoyne> HDA Intel MID / Realtek ALC888
[19:49] <mcstr____> found it it was in /.kde/share/icons
[19:59] <dmoyne> BluesKaj: I think I have reached the end of the discussion with the help of many
[19:59] <dmoyne> I have sent screenshots and likes to files
[20:00] <dmoyne> I will com back at the same time tomorrow
[20:00] <dmoyne> Thanks
[20:00] <BluesKaj> dmoyne, I did explain about the bug with that chip on upgrades
[20:01] <dmoyne> do you think it is related to the intel sound card
[20:02] <dmoyne> have you found what mades the bug
[20:10] <BluesKaj> dmoyne, no i haven't , the bug is well known , but seems to be easily solved most of the time
[20:23] <dmoyne> not in my case except for modprobe snd_hda_intel + sudo alsa force-reload each time after boot
[20:23] <dmoyne> can this be definely solved with an upgrade
[20:25] <BluesKaj> dmoyne, what are you running atm ?
[20:26] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Could you give the bug #?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I think it's this one Bug #1003312
[20:46] <gregh357> o7  greetz
[20:49] <gregh357> need some help with kontact:  I have skype installed and can not get it to utilize the call or sms function...is there a different app i can use or can i use the external app funtion in the settings dialogue?   any help or hint would be useful
[20:52] <lordievader> dmoyne: Could you see if the solution from the bug report BluesKaj gave us works? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1003312/comments/5
[20:54] <dmoyne> I will check this for tomorrow around same time thanks
[21:03] <kamesh> Hi all, I have a sony vaio duo 11 which is an ultrabook. It does not have any dedicaed graphics card. Just the on board one like most of the ultrabooks these days. For some reason, the chromium and Opera does not obey system resolution. Mine is 1920x1080. Whereas I think chromium and opera both run a much lower resolution. I tried "chromium-browser  --disable-gpu". But still it does not solve the issue. Any pointers why this is
[21:03] <kamesh> happening.
[21:03] <dmoyne> I can answer now : no because I do no have" model=generic" in file "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" but I have these 2 lines:
[21:04] <dmoyne> # Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
[21:04] <dmoyne> install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; }
[21:04] <kamesh> Screenshot is here: http://i.imgur.com/rukkVQD.png
[21:04] <dmoyne> but I do not think it is what you said
[21:06] <lordievader> dmoyne: Not really, was just checking the bug report. That however was for Precise.
[21:08] <kamesh> any pointers guys?
[21:10] <trevize> hello, I have a fat32 hd with shitloads of lost files in it. do u guys know a software where I can recover those files in kubuntu?
[21:15] <kamesh> trevize: As long as you can mount the HD you should be able to recover the files.
[21:16] <kamesh> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15761/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/
[21:19] <dmoyne> so to conclude fot today: nothing really new
[21:30] <dmoyne> bye
[21:40] <nfk> kamesh, step 1, create HDD (or whatever you meant by HD) image on a good medium, step 2, create a copy of the image, step 3, play around, step 4 if you mess up, just overwrite the bad copy with original image and go to step 3
[21:40] <nfk> that's how you should be doing it
[21:40] <nfk> in real life you rarely have that much free space so you just do it in-place
[21:41] <nfk> just be-ware to not write anything to that file system
[21:41] <nfk> and in future consider using at least NTFS
[21:41] <nfk> FAT are not journalised and therefore will lose your data without blinking an eye
[21:41] <nfk> then again, a bad fs will do that even with a journal *kicks ext4*
[21:59] <kamesh> nfk: I did not ask a question about loosing my data. It was trevize. The question that asked which is still unanswerd you can find above
[22:00] <nfk> sorry
[22:01] <nfk> i avoid fat so i can't recommend any (if it was a Linux FS, I could) except to create an image ASAP and then look for a way to salvage data
[22:02] <kamesh> Hi all, I have a sony vaio duo 11 which is an ultrabook. It does not have any dedicaed graphics card. Just the on board one like most of the ultrabooks these days. For some reason, the chromium and Opera does not obey system resolution. Mine is 1920x1080. Whereas I think chromium and opera both run a much lower resolution. I tried "chromium-browser  --disable-gpu". But still it does
[22:02] <nfk> it could as well be the drive itself going bad and corrupting the FAT structure which maintains records of files
[22:02] <kamesh> Screenshot is here: http://i.imgur.com/rukkVQD.png
[22:02] <kamesh> nfk: True and I agree
[22:04] <nfk> kamesh, it makes no sense about your ultrabook
[22:04] <nfk> i mean, resolution can only be set for your display and then used by the root window
[22:04] <nfk> e.g. your desktop or a fullscreen game
[22:05] <nfk> but both are applications which have no way in hell to have their own resolution
[22:05] <nfk> though they could have wrong DPI (a.k.a. PPI) though at least chrome sounds like something that should have pretty good support for high PPI
[22:05] <kamesh> nfk: What could be the problem then according to you? This is beyond my understanding. It is certainly not about fonts.
[22:06] <nfk> oh right, there's a screenshot
[22:06] <nfk> let's see
[22:07] <kamesh> ok
[22:07] <nfk> hmm...
[22:07] <kamesh> I can also provide other screenshots
[22:07] <nfk> could be wrong DPI/PPI
[22:07] <nfk> for now, not needed
[22:07] <Torededer> anyone know how to get the buttonson an ibm thinkpad to work
[22:08] <nfk> kamesh, what's your screen size (e.g. 15", 13"?)
[22:08] <kamesh> Its a 11 inch ultrabook
[22:08] <nfk> Torededer, which buttons
[22:08] <nfk> kamesh, yeah, high PPI
[22:08] <kamesh> Screen resolution is 1920x1080
[22:08] <nfk> yes, i got that from the image
[22:08] <kamesh> yes
[22:08] <nfk> that's like more than double of what this desktop display has
[22:09] <nfk> now.... does KDE/Kubuntu look correct? As in not too small to be readable?
[22:09] <Torededer> like the volume buttons, the brightness and the built in buttons on it
[22:10] <nfk> kamesh, i almost feel inclined to say that chromium might be taking into account your PPI but then again KDE/Qt should have really good PPI support, too
[22:10] <kamesh> Except Chromium and Opera-developer for linux, everything looks good.
[22:11] <kamesh> Since Opera-developer is based on Chromium project, I think it also suffers from the same proble on my hardware
[22:11] <nfk> Torededer, i think they should work out of the box but do try reading either ubuntu or arch wiki about thinkpad
[22:11] <nfk> literally search for thinkpad in those two wikis and you'll find what you were looking for
[22:12] <nfk> kamesh, and those two are too huge?
[22:12] <Torededer> nfk it tried using the program "tpb" but i dont know how to get it to work
[22:12] <buriedalive> hi all
[22:12] <kamesh> Yes
[22:12] <nfk> Torededer, for me they just work out of the box
[22:12] <nfk> and the only extra software i use is for hadaps
[22:12] <nfk> that is, the accelerometer based HDD protection software
[22:13] <nfk> kamesh, i'm pretty sure it's related to the PPI of your display
[22:13] <nfk> but if it's a bug or something, you better ask chromium guys
[22:13] <Torededer> nfk ok ill try it
[22:13] <kamesh> nfk: screenshot for opera. http://i.imgur.com/Dq5j6ne.png
[22:15] <kamesh> Ok. I will try and ask the Chromium or Opera people then
[22:16] <nfk> sorry for not being able to help
[22:17] <buriedalive> and chrome?
[22:18] <nfk> kamesh, actually, check chromium settings, maybe it has something about  UI size or something
[22:18] <nfk> like huge/gigantic/titanic
[22:18] <buriedalive> Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don’t want Google's repository, do “sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome” before installing the package
[22:18] <nfk> buriedalive, why are you recommending someone to use proprietary software?
[22:19] <buriedalive> nfk: I think
[22:19] <buriedalive> I use
[22:19] <nfk> and even more so 3rd party repositories of proprietary software
[22:20] <nfk> and i use my hands to hit people, doesn't mean it's a good thing
[22:22] <buriedalive> chromium hav't flash
[22:22] <nfk> my gentoo doesn't have flash either
[22:22] <nfk> nor does my kubuntu
[22:23] <nfk> and i was watching videos on history last night
[22:23] <nfk> via mpv and downloading my favourites with cclive
[22:23] <nfk> also i think kubuntu's firefox has been patched to support DASH and actualy can use YouTube's HTML5 player
[22:23] <nfk> though vanilla Firefox still is missing DASH protocol support even in Aurora, as far as I know
[22:25] <buriedalive> chrome include flash video
[22:25] <nfk> i know, patched by Google
[22:26] <nfk> but as  I just said, Kubuntu 14.04 actually seems to be able to play YouTube out of the box
[22:26] <nfk> and what else would you need flash for?
[22:27] <nfk> every decent video site not only has DASH-less HTML5 but usually has a download button!
[22:27] <buriedalive> it is my problem, return to 12.04 lts
[22:27] <nfk> return?
[22:27] <buriedalive> I return only
[22:27] <nfk> and 12.04 is effectively 3 years old by now
[22:28] <nfk> and that's being generous
[22:28] <nfk> i'm sorry, but I can't understand what youre trying to say
[22:28] <buriedalive> I just waitin
[22:28] <nfk> for what?
[22:28] <nfk> 12.04 will get support dropped in 3 months, right?
[22:28] <nfk> and it's already 3 years old
[22:29] <buriedalive> waitin for global update
[22:29] <nfk> since version freeze ought to have happened around december 2011/january 2012
[22:29] <nfk> global?
[22:29] <buriedalive> no)
[22:29] <buriedalive> 12.04 support 7 years
[22:29] <nfk> i really don't believe that
[22:30] <nfk> 14.04 certainly has shortened support cycle and what you are quoting might be for server version or something
[22:30] <buriedalive> just warning
[22:30] <nfk> warning?
[22:31] <buriedalive> to upgrade
[22:31] <nfk> waiting or warning?
[22:32] <buriedalive> 12.04 will more than 5 years supported
[22:33] <nfk> so you're not going to upgrade because it works for you even though you could be living in now not past, whatever, go enjoy yourself but that doesn't explain why you are recommending 3rd party and proprietary repositories
[22:34] <buriedalive> sorry for my bad russians
[22:34] <nfk> you haven't used russian so far
[22:37] <buriedalive> ðåëèç 12.04 áóäåò åùå ïîääåðæèâàòüñÿ 5 ëåò, êàê è áûëî ñêàçàíî çàðàíåå
[22:38] <nfk> fix your encoding and then come back, actually, keep it to yourself
[22:39] <buriedalive> Release 12.04 will still be maintained 5 years, as was said in advance
[22:45] <buriedalive> my system got update weekly, 12.04, nfk?
[22:45] <gregh357> in Kontact under the Configure the Contact Actions  I can not get the Dial Phone Number function or the Send SMS function to work.They are both set to use Skype, I already have Skype installed and running - still  no joy  :(
[22:46] <gregh357> error = There is no application set which could be executed.
[22:46] <gregh357> Please go to the settings dialog and configure one.
[22:47] <gregh357> it is already set to use Skype though?  can not find an answer for this anywhere
[22:50] <buriedalive> gregh357: stay wait
[22:51] <gregh357> ok
[22:55] <buriedalive> gregh357:your OS?
[22:55] <gregh357> Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty
[22:57] <buriedalive> i386?
[22:58] <buriedalive> gregh357: yea?
[22:58] <gregh357> no...using 64 bit
[22:59] <nfk> gregh357, all i can say, i heard that recently skype dropped support for its plugin api or something though i'm not sure if that's what was used for those features
[22:59] <buriedalive> damnit
[22:59] <buriedalive> bad
[22:59] <gregh357> will ekiga or sflphone work?  those are other options
[22:59] <nfk> gregh357, you could try asking in #kontact maybe
[23:00] <nfk> gregh357, i have no idea
[23:00] <nfk> i have no friends so to say
[23:00] <gregh357> they got a channel?  go figure - lol
[23:00] <nfk> KDE has a lot of specialized channels
[23:00] <buriedalive> who need 32 - wget http://elmisery.ru:8083/skype-ubuntu-precise_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[23:00] <buriedalive> it my
[23:01] <gregh357> i'm in kontact channel - will try there.  thanks though
[23:01] <nfk> and Kontact is pretty much a whole another framework on its own even before KDE frameworks splitting [and needless if you ask me]
[23:08] <buriedalive> gregh357: skype site too bad, I dont know how to download x64 version
[23:09] <nfk> there is no amd64 version of skype for any platform as far as i know
[23:09] <nfk> certainly none for linux
[23:09] <nfk> you just have to use multilib (not an issue for Ubuntu/Kubuntu)
[23:10] <buriedalive> yeah)
[23:10] <buriedalive> howto download 64
[23:10] <byte> n8
[23:10] <nfk> night
[23:11] <Guest9154> ok
[23:11] <buriedalive> link if  I known
[23:15] <valorie> !skype
[23:17] <buriedalive> no no, so bad actions ubottu
[23:19] <buriedalive> and old versions downloads
[23:20] <valorie> buriedalive: if you think ubottu has out-of-date information, please tell the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[23:20] <valorie> ubottu: <3
[23:20] <buriedalive> valorie: to yuou
[23:22] <buriedalive> heh
[23:22] <buriedalive> who said that I'm talking about
[23:27] <valorie> buriedalive: I don't use skype, so I only asked ubottu to be helpful
[23:27] <buriedalive> valorie: good
[23:29] <valorie> buriedalive: also, we're a community here, and we can all update the wiki if needed as well
[23:30] <buriedalive> wait, I know this some
[23:32] <buriedalive> try http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-64/skype-ubuntu-precise_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb
[23:33] <buriedalive> download a 32 package
[23:33] <buriedalive> really?
[23:35] <buriedalive> it's skype joke?
[23:39] <bugger> hi all - i've got a kubuntu system running on a quad core 3ghz machine, yet it runs like a 386 with turbo turned off - nothing stands out in ksysguard as using a lot of cpu, everything is listed at less than 10%, although the graph shows at all times at least one core is at 100% load
[23:40] <bugger> i've turned off a bunch of the indexing and effects features, but i don't think i should have to, i've got a reasonably fast system...
[23:40] <bugger> any ideas what i can look at to try to get this to at least respond reasonably? at the moment you can click on a menu then go make coffee while waiting for it to appear
[23:45] <buriedalive> you installed really kubuntu 12.04 or?
[23:46] <buriedalive> bugger:
[23:46] <bugger> had 14.03 and just upgraded to 14.04 but no change
[23:47] <buriedalive> so bad
[23:47] <bugger> yeah scrolling in firefox is painful, and can't really have more than 2 tabs open if i want any sort of ability to do anything
[23:48] <buriedalive> install better a clean system, all saya about it
[23:48] <bugger> yeah i'm starting to think that's what i'll have to do
[23:48] <redbull> I am new to Kubuntu and KDE.  I am trying to make my panel dark.  Everything I have changed as far as themes do not effect the panel.  Any suguestions
[23:48] <bugger> I just don't want to do that and have it the same because of some install choice
[23:49] <valorie> bugger: you might have to ditch the old panel and create a new one once your theme is installed
[23:49] <valorie> dunno, have never tried it
[23:53] <buriedalive> and if sudo aptitude autoremove
[23:54] <buriedalive> apt-get install -f
[23:55] <buriedalive> and autoclean
[23:56] <buriedalive> who knownw


[07:28] <zsombi_> daker: it has been agreed that we won't provide more features to UITK 1.3, as it has been kept open for too long, and we need to move forward. That move is getting everything we can upstreamed, and move towards QQC2. Mixed checkbox status feature is there in QQC2, and it would be a new feature into UITK 1.3 which woudl require major refactoring of the component, which we don't want
[08:12] <mpt> kalikiana_, oh dear, I’d forgotten about that :-)
[10:09] <tsdgeos> easy one! https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/anchors_cant_be_null/+merge/318450
[10:10] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: zsombi_: ↑
[10:10] <zsombi_> tsdgeos: checking
[10:11] <zsombi_> tsdgeos: are there many things you guy sstill use from ListItems?
[10:12] <tsdgeos> no clue
[10:12] <tsdgeos> i guess yes
[10:12] <tsdgeos> $ wcgrep Ubuntu.Components.ListItems | wc -l
[10:12] <tsdgeos> 25
[10:12] <tsdgeos> not sure if all those imports are *really* needed
[10:13] <zsombi_> anyway... it'll stay in UITK1.3 as deprecated, just wanted to know how much effort would be to drop it...
[10:13] <zsombi_> tsdgeos: let's wait CI to finish it and then it can get into staging
[10:15] <tsdgeos> zsombi: we can always copy the stuff over :D
[10:15] <zsombi> LOL
[10:15] <tsdgeos> i know we use ThinDivider "a lot"
[10:15] <tsdgeos> not sure about the other stuff
[10:30] <tsdgeos> zsombi: PageStack.push creates the pushed component synchronously?
[10:30] <zsombi> tsdgeos: yes
[10:32] <tsdgeos> k, tx
[10:46] <tsdgeos> zsombi: how scared should i be about http://paste.ubuntu.com/24083574/ ?
[10:49] <daker> zsombi: i see, i wasn't going to implement that, i was just wanted to add support for the label
[10:51] <zsombi> tsdgeos: I don't think you should be scared :)
[10:51] <zsombi> daker: label support is fine :)
[10:52] <kalikiana_> Hmm looking at that "new PropertyChange", it seems legit
[10:52] <kalikiana_> Once created, nothing keeps track of it
[10:53] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: i guess my question is more, is this something that happens once or is it something that happens "a lot"
[10:57] <kalikiana_> tsdgeos: A dozen times at startup perhaps
[10:57] <kalikiana_> Something like that
[10:57] <tsdgeos> you sure?
[10:57] <tsdgeos> wouldn't i get one per each pagestack thing?
[10:58] <kalikiana_> Okay, correction, two dozen
[10:58] <kalikiana_> Checked with the gallery
[10:58] <kalikiana_> No page open
[10:59] <tsdgeos> how do you build the uitk with debug?
[10:59] <tsdgeos> qmake CONFIG+=debug
[10:59] <tsdgeos> doesn't seem to be working
[10:59] <tsdgeos> and it works now
[10:59] <tsdgeos> \o/
[11:00] <tsdgeos> just had to say here it didn't wokr
[11:01] <kalikiana_> tsdgeos: I just did it snappy style, using qDebug, and looked at the bindings created
[11:01] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:06] <kalikiana_> zsombi: Would qDeleteAll be deleting the PropertyChange objects? The comment says "restore" which isn't really clear to me
[11:07] <zsombi> kalikiana_: qDeleteAll applied delete on any container, so yes, it will
[11:07] <zsombi> and PropertyChange does the restore
[11:07] <zsombi> so yes :)
[11:08] <kalikiana_> zsombi: So restore here means if the bindings are deleting, the old values would be used?
[11:08] <kalikiana_> I think the wording just might be confusing me
[11:08] <zsombi> kalikiana_: yep... pretty ambiguous :D
[11:08] <tsdgeos> zsombi: kalikiana_: qDeleteAll is on m_propertyBackup, those PropertyChange are not stored there
[11:09] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: i just add that qDebug you mentioned, and i get them all the time i add a page, so basically "very important memory leak"
[11:09] <zsombi> tsdgeos: where was this code?
[11:09] <tsdgeos> zsombi: which code?
[11:09] <zsombi> the one leaking
[11:10] <zsombi> tsdgeos: in teh UCStyleHints?
[11:10] <tsdgeos> ucstylehints.cpp:251
[11:10] <tsdgeos> yes
[11:10]  * zsombi was wondering as we have two places with PropertyChanges
[11:10] <kalikiana_> tsdgeos: That's what I'm trying to verify (if they are in the list). Different variables with the name "change" are used it seems
[11:10] <zsombi> let me get an eye on it as well
[11:10] <kalikiana_> And the later one isn't added to the list
[11:10] <tsdgeos> yeah the second one is not on the list
[11:11] <tsdgeos> should it be, no idea :D
[11:11] <kalikiana_> I think it should
[11:11] <kalikiana_> tsdgeos: Although I might wonder, if they aren't added, shouldn't there be visual artifacts
[11:11] <kalikiana_> But it could be something very subtle as well, if it's overriden anyway
[11:12] <kalikiana_> You wouldn't see it unless you're actually changing the style/theme
[11:14] <zsombi> hmm...
[11:15] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: my understanding is that they're "lost in space"
[11:16] <tsdgeos> since i delete the page they applied to
[11:16] <tsdgeos> so they don't cause errors
[11:16] <tsdgeos> but they cause memory to grow
[11:16] <tsdgeos> bus, bbl
[11:20] <kalikiana_> tsdgeos: If the page is deleted, sure. What I meant is, it could also be relevant to changing styles, but it's far less common
[11:21] <kalikiana_> But I think we agree we'll want to add it to the list
[11:51] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: zsombi: adding the "m_propertyBackup << change;" to the second branch fixes the leak, no idea if it's the correct thing to do though, want a MR?
[12:29] <zsombi> tsdgeos: drop one, I'll check it!!
[12:36] <kalikiana_> +1
[12:53] <daker> zsombi: when you say move towards QQC2, what do you mean by that ?
[12:54] <daker> rewrite the sdk with QQC2 as a base ?
[12:54] <zsombi> daker: I mean we are planning to get QQC2 controls based UITK2.0 so we provide a QQC2 style module where we put all Ubuntu specific things
[12:54] <daker> i see
[13:36] <tsdgeos> kalikiana_: zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix_ucstylehints_leak/+merge/318478
[13:36] <zsombi> tsdgeos: taking it
[13:42] <zsombi> tsdgeos: dohh :D
[13:44] <zsombi> just checked the context the change wasn;t pushed into the container... o m f g...
[13:45] <zsombi> what a horrible mistake...
[13:45] <zsombi> tsdgeos: thanks for fixing that!!!!
[13:47] <Mirv> tsdgeos: fixing bits on top of Qt 5.6.2 seems better but still not there - https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2519/+packages (amd64, i386, armhf just symbol changes). qml-test:item-grabber failing on (32-bit) powerpc and s390x. staring at http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtdeclarative.git/log/?h=5.6 (5.6.2 tag on the next page), can you think of anything besides the three already
[13:47] <Mirv> added to try?
[13:49] <Mirv> we now have the data point that 5.7.1 worked on all archs, which is nice
[13:50] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i take 5.6.1 worked?
[13:51] <Mirv> yes, and 5.6.2 without those patches
[13:51] <tsdgeos> Mirv: which patches?
[13:51] <Mirv> tsdgeos: those in the silo, to fix V4 address bit use
[13:53] <Mirv> actually, scratch that. I now remember and see that Debian decided to make the failures non-fatal
[13:53] <tsdgeos> i don't see why itemgrabber would fail
[13:53] <tsdgeos> can you point me at the patches exactly?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> i can't seem to get them from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519
[13:53] <Mirv> tsdgeos: so actually I think this is not a regression
[13:54] <Mirv> just me enabling more tests than Debian now
[13:54] <Mirv> tsdgeos: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2519/+sourcepub/7517250/+listing-archive-extra but those are not related, sorry
[13:54] <Mirv> but as usual it's good to open one's mouth and one sees more than before
[13:54] <tsdgeos> ok :)
[13:55] <tsdgeos> no worries
[13:55] <Mirv> so yes this is definitely better that it was on top of 5.6.1
[14:58] <kalikiana_> zsombi: That was what we were discussing earlier. The re-use of variables makes it less obvious. Although I don't have a specific idea on how to improve it atm.
[14:59] <kalikiana_> But for now it's good we found the leak.
[14:59] <zsombi> kalikiana_: the biiiiig mistake was that in the loop the change wasn't pushed into the container, whereas in the previous one it was...
[15:00] <kalikiana_> zsombi: Yes. And if you just casually go through the code, you will see "aha, it's in there" because the variable has the same name.
[16:07] <kalikiana_> daker: Regarding the checkbox. I don't think we want to have any new API here, specifically the checkedState. We don't implement tri-state and if you need that, I'd like you to consider QQC2 for that instead.
[16:09] <daker> kalikiana_: sure, i'll revert that, first i'll fix the label positionning, then we can discuss how to implement that using QQC2
[16:15] <kalikiana_> Oaky
[16:37] <kalikiana_> daker: I commented on the MR https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1333228/+merge/318311
[16:40] <daker> kalikiana_: yes, i still didn't finish work on that one, when using \n lineCount is always 1 and the label doesn't wrap correctly
[16:41] <kalikiana_> No rush. I just find it useful to document the current state in case others are looking at the branch and wondering if you're waiting for review.
[16:42] <kalikiana_> You might want to mark it as "Work in progress" if you didn't want any review
[16:44] <daker> kalikiana_: thanks
[18:43] <daker> kalikiana_: what branch should i use to propose a QQC2 checkbox style module ?
[18:44] <kalikiana_> daker: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uitk2/tree/dev
[18:45] <daker> kalikiana_: ok


[15:10] <soee_> hiho
[15:11] <soee_> https://i.imgur.com/7K18UWn.png as always thans for update :)
[15:29] <mamarley> ricotz: That reminds me, I have new releases of 410 and 415 ready in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages.
[15:30] <mamarley> I also have a Linux 4.20 patch for 415 that should be easily adaptable to the older releases, but these packages do not contain it because I haven't run-tested it yet.  I will do that when 4.20-rc4 is released this Sunday.
[17:00] <ricotz> mamarley, great, did you rebased the packaging to 410 in disco?
[17:00] <ricotz> mamarley, ah still in new https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+queue
[17:10] <mamarley> Sorry, I didn't see it in there.
[17:12] <mamarley> ricotz: Should I rebase Disco, Cosmic, and Bionic or just Disco on the 410 from Disco.
[17:12] <mamarley> s/./?
[17:13] <ricotz> mamarley, depends on the changes which were made compare to the current ppa packaging
[17:14] <mamarley> OK, I will check.
[17:15] <ricotz> thanks
[17:26] <mamarley> ricotz: It doesn't look like there are any Ubuntu-release-specific functional changes between what we have (which is the same for Bionic, Cosmic, and Disco) and the newly-uploaded 410 for Disco, so if you don't object I will just rebase all three.
[17:27] <mamarley> (Also, no change was required to go from 410 to 415 besides renaming the packages.)
[17:31] <ricotz> mamarley, good, please use the tarball in the queue
[18:11] <mamarley> I will.
[19:04] <mamarley> ricotz: OK, I rebased everything. :)


[02:49] <ajmitch> my laptop suddenly became rather unhappy, lots of kernel errors dumped in syslog & X hung. Not really ideal
[03:30] <lifeless> ajmitch: win!
[03:31] <ajmitch> must be time to buy a new one
[03:48] <ibeardslee> bugger
[03:52] <ajmitch> sure, it's fine after a reboot, but for how long?
[05:13] <ibeardslee> spitting a wee bit that reinstalling the netbook with 32bit didn't make an improvement
[05:13] <ajmitch> improvement in performance?
[05:13] <ibeardslee> maybe I should stop pretending that an atom is a 'workstation'
[05:13] <ajmitch> heh
[05:27] <mwhudson> i think steve jobs had a point when he said that netbooks suck
[05:29] <mwhudson> home time
[05:29] <ibeardslee> They are good as long as they used within their limits
[05:30] <ibeardslee> Claws mail, evolution, chromium (4+ tabs), empathy, do start sucking resources
[05:34] <mwhudson> a bottom spec x230 only costs about twice what a netbook costs and i bet it's a lot less terrible to use
[05:38] <mwhudson> and if you only have $400 to spend, get a nexus 7 or something instead
[05:38] <mwhudson> anyway enough of this :)
[06:21] <iThumper> karora: Ping
[06:22] <iThumper> Or ibeardslee
[06:28] <karora> iThumper: Pong!
[06:30] <ibeardslee> iThumper: pong
[06:31] <ajmitch> tim here, better keyboard
[06:31] <ajmitch> I'm looking for a catalyst logo as an svg
[06:31] <ajmitch> can anyone help?
[06:31] <ibeardslee> is this for the kiwipycon?
[06:32] <ajmitch> yes
[06:32] <ibeardslee> we are sponsoring right?
[06:32] <ajmitch> yes
[06:32] <ajmitch> you're coming, right?
[06:33] <ibeardslee> will co-ordinate getting one to you .. who have you been dealing with the for sponosrship?
[06:33] <ibeardslee> ajmitch/thumper dunno
[06:33] <ajmitch> thomi's been dealing with don christie, he just sent an email to him
[06:33] <ibeardslee> ahh ok, Don is at NetHui
[06:35] <lifeless> ajmitch: thomi: how long is the keynote slot ?
[06:36] <ibeardslee> not far away now is it?
[06:38] <ajmitch> lifeless: an hour
[06:39] <lifeless> cool
[06:39] <lifeless> mum would like to sneak in and watch just that; I presume that will be ok ? :)
[06:39] <ajmitch> we can probably be flexible with that
[06:40] <ajmitch> I think that'll be ok :)
[07:29]  * karora looks at the accommodation page.... hey, cool!  Regal Court are offering accommodation at 10% of their normal rates!  That's an awesome deal :-)
[19:09] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:55] <ajmitch> morning
[20:40] <ajmitch> morning
[22:06] <kcj> Morning.
[22:18] <thumper> morning
[22:27] <mwhudson> morning
[23:39] <Atamira> morning
[23:40] <ojwb> morning