[16:41] <pbjarting> sweden laptop dual boot win/ubu. which and whre  tu buy ?
[16:45] <pbjarting> noone home ?


[10:43] <nikwen> Hi!
[10:43] <nikwen> I've put more work into the Cantata project. (http://cantata.googlecode.com)
[10:45] <nikwen> We're now displaying Album covers in the Qml version. However, those are loaded asynchronously in a C++ model.
[10:46] <nikwen> The problem is that whenever a new cover is loaded, dataChanged has to emitted by the model. That causes the ListView to reload and it jumps back to the top of the List.
[10:46] <nikwen> That's pretty annoying. Do you know any solution?
[11:41] <nikwen> Anyone?
[12:09] <nik90> nikwen: this is an upstream bug. I am trying to find the bug report for you
[12:10] <nikwen> nik90: Thank you very, very much. Didn't think of that. :)
[12:10] <nikwen> (One nik* helping the other nik*. ^^)
[12:10] <nik90> nikwen: it was first reported in the ubuntu-reminders-app https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1303746
[12:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1303746 in Ubuntu Reminders app "Performance hit when editing sorted lists" [Critical,Triaged]
[12:10] <nik90> Upstream bug: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37983
[12:10] <nik90> nikwen: lol
[12:11] <nikwen> nik90: Yes, that's it. Thank you very much. :)
[12:12] <nik90> nikwen: since it is affecting a core apps, you should expect a bug fix soon enough
[12:12] <nikwen> Great, it's actually turning the current development version of Cantata unusable.
[12:13] <nik90> nikwen: I can imagine
[16:16] <ybon> nik90: do you know how to use http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/QtOrganizer.DetailFilter/ by chance?
[16:16]  * nik90 looks
[16:17] <ybon> (seems that I need to import QtOrganizer 5.0, the 5.2 seems not available on my 14.04)
[16:17] <ybon> thanks :)
[16:18] <nik90> ybon: I haven't had to use QtOrganizer before, so I not familiar with it DetailFilter
[16:18] <nik90> ybon: although it seems like the documentation is incomplete
[16:19] <ybon> yeah, as usual
[16:19] <ybon> nik90: you don't use the type for getting the alarms on the clock app?
[16:19] <nik90> tried the official qt documentation?
[16:19] <ybon> My need is to filter the alarm our on the event list
[16:19] <nik90> ybon: nope. For the alarms, I interact with the alarms API which in turn deals with Qtorganizer
[16:20] <ybon> the problem with the official documentation is that you have no idea what is implemented or not on Ubuntu side unless you get the chance to talk to the right person
[16:20] <ybon> okay
[16:20] <nik90> ybon: at the moment, the alarms are automatically sorted by recency.
[16:20] <nik90> ybon: in that case you should talk to renato.
[16:20] <nik90> he is the QtOrganizer expert
[16:21] <ybon> ok, thanks, good to know :)
[19:58] <daker> i used the OSM Maps twice this week :D
[20:04] <ybon> cool :)
[20:07] <daker> the GPS functionality is helped me a lot :)
[20:08] <daker> -is


[01:40] <xubuntu68w> Hey guys, I have a question and I was wondering if you could help me?
[01:41] <xubuntu68w> I can't figure out for the life of me how to hide the "ALL" category in MenuLibre
[01:42] <xubuntu68w> Does anyone know how to do it? Can't find anything on google..
[01:43] <xubuntu68w> I'm running MenuLibre 2.1.3 Xubuntu 16.04
[01:57] <krytarik> xubuntu68w: That's not actually a category, but a feature of Whisker Menu - and no, I don't see anything on a quick look either.
[01:58] <xubuntu68w> :(
[01:59] <xubuntu68w> Its a weird  feature, If you hide a category it makes no sense to show the hidden category apps in All category
[01:59] <xubuntu68w> nowing my grandma she's goign to click on everything she's sees in her menu lol
[02:00] <xubuntu68w> just wanted to leave the apps she uses
[02:00] <xubuntu68w> that way she's not going to mess everythin up
[02:00] <xubuntu68w> oh well thanks for your help krytarik
[02:00] <xubuntu68w> much appreciated
[02:02] <krytarik> Welcome.
[02:02] <xubuntu68w> in menulibre (Xubuntu 14.04) it wasn't like that that's why I was asking, if you hide stuff it stays hiden..guess they've updated it
[02:03] <xubuntu68w> Anyhow..have  a nice day..maybe I ask the dev
[07:50] <vahvero> Hello! desktop-file-validate gives me no errors....How i can add shortcut to Xubuntu desktop? its now /usr/share/applications/ and i can see it at whisker menu. I want it to desktop! xD Thank you
[07:51] <vahvero> Every new user should get it
[12:19] <aberlin> hello, I would like to use the new version but '~ $ sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade ' doesent work, do I have to wait or should I look for some special commands?
[12:34] <akxwi-dave> have yopu tried..  sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:42] <drohm> hi, are there instructions on how to verify the xubuntu iso after downloading?
[12:45] <akxwi-dave> did you download from the offical torrent on xubuntu.org?
[12:49] <drohm> aye, I did.  I was just wondering if Xubuntu.org has their own pgp key.  I did the sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS and it was 'ok', but wanted to verify as well
[12:52] <akxwi-dave> I don't think it does.. only the shasum..
[12:55] <TsakNorris> Hello i was here already asking, but i will ask one more time :D Why /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop goes to whisker-menu? How i can make it so that it will go straight to desktop. Thank you.
[13:09] <akxwi-dave> sorry can't help with that one
[13:11] <TsakNorris> i will add :D if i put it straight to ~/Desktop/foo.desktop you can't even see the file :D
[13:12] <TsakNorris> with ls command you can see it, but not in GUI
[13:13] <TsakNorris> is there somewhere like real document where is all the commands for XFCE?
[13:14] <TsakNorris> That whisker-menu is ruining now everything :/
[13:22] <NotARobot> TsakNorris, whickermenu will read all .desktop files from /usr/share/applications (as well as $HOME/.local/share/applications) to populate menu entries.
[13:23] <TsakNorris> NotARobot, So what is the magic command to write in .desktop file that i will see it on desktop?
[13:23] <NotARobot> If copying the .desktop file to the desktop is not showing the icon, then 1. Is desktop configured to display icons and 2. Is xfdesktop managing the desktop?
[13:24] <TsakNorris> NotARobot, well its stock Xubuntu. No editing done to it. Latest version
[13:24] <NotARobot> There is no magic command, if xfdesktop is managing desktop and icons are set to be displayed, it should be displaed
[13:24] <NotARobot> Which version xubuntu?
[13:25] <TsakNorris> well im not close to it now, but latest :D
[13:25] <TsakNorris> what you can download from they're page
[13:26] <NotARobot> Check Settings Manager, Desktop, Icons tab and make sure that "icon type" is set to "file/launcher icons"
[13:27] <TsakNorris> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/#lts
[13:27] <TsakNorris> its that 64-bit
[13:27] <TsakNorris> 16.04 LTS
[13:29] <TsakNorris> I will install that to my home laptop also.
[13:36] <TsakNorris> and why xubuntu have that avahi-daemon problem? other distros i haven't seen it. i know, i have to go to /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon and change 1 to 0 there, but still.
[14:00] <drohm> TsakNorris, you do see the application in the Menu, correct?  Have you tried right-clicking the icon in the menu and select add to desktop?
[14:57] <ruwolf> Hello. :-) How can I view list of packages available on live CD? If i look on xubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.list, there are very few packages, so it is incomplete.
[14:58] <ruwolf> I look for live CD with GParted.
[14:58] <ruwolf> list of programs
[15:00] <ruwolf> I know, I can install other packages from Internet (by aptitude. e. g.), but I prefer it on DVD...
[15:02] <xangua> Xubuntu comes with gparted, yes
[15:04] <xubuntu31i> hello
[15:05] <ruwolf> Thank you, xangua - where can I see it, that it is included on DVD image?
[16:38] <tacomaster> is 1.5GB of ram good for a smooth xubuntu experience?
[16:41] <flocculant> tacomaster: worked for me when I had that much
[16:41] <flocculant> though of course it depends on what *you* are doing ;)
[16:42] <tacomaster> I am mostly using this for learning c, watching video courses, and accessing the web
[16:43] <tacomaster> I am running gentoo with blackbox right now but i am getting tired of always having to spend my time fixing something instead of studying lol
[16:44] <xubuntu16i> hi
[16:44] <tacomaster> I just know some of the *buntu's can be a bit heavy on ram
[16:45] <flocculant> tacomaster: on boot my yak install grabs ~400Mb - but I do have stuff starting on boot
[16:46] <tacomaster> I am using around 300MB with firefox and pidgin running!
[16:56] <hoverboots> Guys, anyone knows if i can use the icedtea java plugin on chromium-browser?
[18:03] <DexterF> hi
[18:03] <DexterF> in 16.04 when I raise volume properties I can raise the currently running programs *above* 100%. can I attribute that to certain programs permanently?
[19:31] <SteinerIsCooking> Is this an OK place to ask questions about running apps in Xubuntu?
[19:32] <mrkramps> probably yes
[19:32] <SteinerIsCooking> OK, well.
[19:33] <SteinerIsCooking> In the past, I've used Dropbox before in Xubuntu just fine, but I'm looking to switch to iDrive. Can I use iDrive's GUI in Xubuntu?
[19:34] <SteinerIsCooking> I got it up and running in the terminal, I think, but I was wondering if I could get the syncing like Dropbox
[19:35] <mrkramps> SteinerIsCooking, https://www.idrive.com/online-backup-linux
[19:36] <mrkramps> i don't see any graphical client supported by linux
[19:36] <SteinerIsCooking> Yes, that's my problem
[19:36] <SteinerIsCooking> Someone told me Ubuntu had its own cloud service?
[19:37] <mrkramps> SteinerIsCooking, Ubuntu One cloud was shutdown 2014
[19:37] <SteinerIsCooking> Yikes
[19:37] <SteinerIsCooking> Didn't know, honestly
[19:38] <SteinerIsCooking> Maybe I'll do Dropbox, then. iDrive had a better deal, but the no GUI is a deal-breaker for me
[22:42] <rwf> what is openbox
[22:42] <mrkramps> rwf, a window manager
[22:43] <rwf> ty  mrkramps
[22:44] <rwf> so quiet in here
[22:45] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> hi!
[22:45] <mrkramps> hello
[22:45] <rwf> hi
[22:45] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> I`m trying to install Xubuntu on MSI u100 with 1GB RAM laptop,is it ok?
[22:46] <rwf> wow the guy that runs ubuntu
[22:46] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> :D
[22:46] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> So?
[22:46] <mrkramps> guyWhoRunsXubunt, might work
[22:46] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Cool,i made that laptop ultra lag with Windows 10
[22:47] <rwf> windows is a resource hog by default
[22:47] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Ye,i know
[22:47] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Windows 7 is like last Windows that was OK
[22:47] <rwf> i think  10 is really a  9
[22:48] <mrkramps> guyWhoRunsXubunt, the u100 has not much ram, a slow atom cpu and likely a slow harddisk
[22:48] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> No,Windows 8 is actually 9
[22:48] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Oh yeah,that laptop is crap
[22:48] <rwf> i swivel  corrected again
[22:48] <mrkramps> imho lubuntu might be the better choice
[22:49] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> But it  can run Windows XP,so it should run Xubuntu
[22:49] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> I like Xubuntu`s look
[22:49] <mrkramps> give it a try then
[22:49] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Is there any Linux Creation wizard? Like nLite for XP?
[22:49] <rwf> i got xubuntu on my old dell dimension 3000 and it runs fine
[22:50] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Cool,than it should totally run on mine
[22:50] <mrkramps> guyWhoRunsXubunt, what exactly do you expect from a tool like nLite?
[22:51] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Well,i would like to put Xfce into Lubuntu
[22:51] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Or is Lfce what makes Lubuntu a Lubuntu?
[22:51] <mrkramps> it's LXDE
[22:51] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Anyway,i would like to put my own drivers and stuff
[22:52] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Want to make my own Linux distro
[22:52] <mrkramps> stuff yes, dirvers most probably not
[22:52] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Cool,if stuff is yes
[22:52] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Link?
[22:53] <mrkramps> install mini.iso, install xubuntu-core package and go ahead
[22:53] <mrkramps> https://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/
[22:53] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Xubuntu rocks Zorin OS in Windows-Like look
[22:53] <mrkramps> but for beginners it is easier installing desktop edition and just remove unwanted applications
[22:55] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Zorin OS is laggy,too
[22:55] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> buggy* i meant
[22:55] <rwf> zorin is graphic intense crazy
[22:55] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Well,yes
[22:55] <rwf> gamer os i'd say
[22:55] <mrkramps> just forget about zorinOS
[22:56] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> LOL,gaming os should be less resource-eating
[22:56] <rwf> linux mint an xubuntu are my favs so far
[22:56] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> Like SteamOS
[22:56] <rwf> puppy linux didnt like my pc i guesses
[22:57] <guyWhoRunsXubunt> distro pros?
[22:58] <rwf> distrowatch.com
[23:00] <rwf> well  i'm gunna go chat on buzzen.com   take care


[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> how does ubot interface with the LaunchPad bug trackers for packages?  I'm interested in wondering whether I'd be able to get similar functionality for the project I have on Launchpad
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/packages/projects/
[01:55] <rww> !botclone
[01:55] <rww> it's the Bugtracker plugin in there
[01:56] <rww> I dunno if it ever got rewritten to use launchpadlib though, and if not, I'd recommend looking into that instead
[01:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> rww:  any particular configs that i need to do for that plugin?
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> to make it work with the launchpad bug trackers
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/trackers/tracker system/
[01:57] <rww> no idea, look at the code, it's in there somewhere :P
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[19:14] <Unit193> topyli: PM?
[19:31] <topyli> Unit193: sure
[19:33] <Tm_T> lure
[19:34] <LjL> cure
[19:39] <Unit193> Mure


[00:09] <happyhessian> how do i get knetworkmanager to "manage" eth0 if for some reason it is showing me "not managed" when i hover and ifupdown (eth0) when i click on the logo?
[00:35] <Guest69967> hey, i have a broadcom airforce 1 wireless card and it is not working with 9.04
[00:35] <Guest69967> and nothing shows up under proprietary drivers in hardware
[00:36] <Guest69967> i should be using proprietary broadcom kernel modules and it appears they are loaded but thier not listed in my device drivers, does this mean thier not getting used?
[00:40] <Guest69967> hmm, lively today
[01:10] <TechN9ne> Hi all how do i connect Kubuntu 9.04 to ubutnu using only crossover cable?
[01:34] <maple1> how do I commit suicide properly?
[01:34] <Pincushion> nice
[01:34] <LjL> maple1: stay in #ubuntu-offtopic for 10 more minutes
[01:34] <Lord_Drachenblut> maple1: install gentoo stage 1 on a 286
[01:34] <LjL> you'll find the right inspiration
[01:34] <Pincushion> I agree with Drachenblut
[01:35] <Lord_Drachenblut> but i hope to one day have the chance to run a gentoo system on a quantum computer and run make world
[01:35] <Pincushion> I guess you can play God at that point.
[01:36] <Pincushion> Do you have to run make clean first?
[01:36] <Lord_Drachenblut> hmmm maybe i am thinking the wrong command... has been awhile since i have run gentoo. the one that rebuilds the entire system
[01:37] <Lord_Drachenblut> i want to know how long it takes on a computer that is suppose to have the answer before you ask it
[01:38] <Pincushion> Not sure, I ran it once and it took so long to get where I wanted to (Celeron 400), that I went to something else.
[01:45] <douglask> Question: in Kmail and Konversation (haven't tested others), help, <app> handbook throws an error reading, "The file or folder help:/konversation/index.html does not exist."  Any ideas on how to resolve this?
[01:58] <Balsaq> anyone here good at getting online videos to play at the correct speed in buntu? i heard driver support for older ATI cards is a problem, found a card by nvivia that fits my machine and nvidia says they have drivers for buntu, i am non technical newbie-does this sound like a legitimate fix for my slow playing online vids?
[01:58] <Balsaq> havent bought the nvidia yet-trying to find out if i am on track before the purchase
[02:06] <Balsaq> does the video card and the drivers have anything to do with the the speed at which online videos play?
[02:11] <douglask> Balsaq: rarely.
[02:12] <douglask> more often, it's an issue of the speed of the download.  here's how to check:
[02:12] <douglask> on youtube.com, start a vid, pause it until the whole bar is grey (fully loaded), then play it.
[02:14] <LuisJa> hello i need some help
[02:15] <LuisJa> i am not able to play runescape HD, before upgrading to kubuntu 9.04 (like 1 month and half ago) i could play
[02:15] <douglask> LuisJa: it's ok to just ask your question.  You'll find that is true in most IRC help type channels.
[02:15] <LuisJa> pls i am desesperate, i love runescape HD
[02:15] <LuisJa> oh lol
[02:15] <LuisJa> pls =S
[02:16] <douglask> No worries.  Now, I've never played runescape in my life, so I'm not really able to help.
[02:16] <LuisJa> oh ok...
[02:16] <LuisJa> but is rare
[02:16] <LuisJa> i will tell u what happen
[02:16] <LuisJa> i was happy playing in 8.04
[02:16] <douglask> sure ...
[02:16] <LuisJa> then i upgraded
[02:17] <LuisJa> after that, i could not play for nearly 2 weeks because it said:
[02:17] <LuisJa> unable to play, u dont have the lastest java
[02:17] <LuisJa> but it was the sudo aptitude install sunjava from repos...
[02:17] <LuisJa> i think a actu fixed it
[02:17] <douglask> Ok, make sure you install the sun java 6 runtime package
[02:18] <LuisJa> BUT, now everytime i click in play in HD, nothing happens, it stays in standart...
[02:18] <LuisJa> what??
[02:18] <douglask> Ok, HD is like high def output, yes?
[02:18] <LuisJa> indeed
[02:18] <douglask> In that case, look at the video driver.
[02:19] <LuisJa> i got an nvidia
[02:19] <LuisJa> what i can do?
[02:19] <LuisJa> its maybe: that or a java problem, dont know what to do
[02:20] <douglask> Under the system menu, check "hardware drivers" and see if there are any available updates.
[02:21] <LuisJa> ok
[02:21] <douglask> Other than that I dunno.
[02:22] <LuisJa> mmm
[02:22] <LuisJa> nop
[02:22] <LuisJa> not actu it seems
[02:22] <LuisJa> damn,,,
[02:22] <FloodBotK1> LuisJa: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:23] <LuisJa> srry
[02:23] <douglask> LuisJa: don't worry, it's a bot.
[02:23] <LuisJa> oh!
[02:24] <douglask> if it sees 4 lines in a row from one person, it reminds the user.
[02:27] <LuisJa> u need to be a member tu report a problem in runescape...
[02:27] <LuisJa> is there not another place someone can help me?
[02:29] <douglask> LuisJa: not that I know of... I'd search for any online forums.
[02:49] <afeijo> its normal that my CPU temp is 72C ?
[02:59] <douglask> afeijo: that sounds on the high side.
[03:01] <afeijo> douglask: my fan is a bit noisy
[03:01] <afeijo> C2D 6400 2.13 ghz
[03:01] <afeijo> wow, 86C now
[03:02] <windsplunts> Hello
[03:02] <windsplunts> I was wondering if someone can help me with Spring, the RTS... Its being very laggy
[03:07] <douglask> afeijo: I'd shut down, and use some compressed air or a vacuum to clean out that heat sink and fan.  You may want to take it to a shopt and get a new heatsink / fan on it.
[03:09] <afeijo> douglask: I replaced the heat-sink about 16 month ago, time to do it again?
[03:09] <afeijo> my case have extra fans
[03:09] <afeijo> 12x12 on the back
[03:13] <ubuntu> hola
[03:17] <vertago1> anyone know why kwrite would work from konsole but not from the application menu?
[03:17] <joshjtl> hey folks, is there something i need to do to get the Remember the Milk plasma to work?
[03:18] <tmerriam_> hi, im trying to compile a custom kernel and it says it runs out of space, but i dont know where. everything looks like it has plenty of room
[03:18] <tmerriam_> @vertagol try pasting the command in the kwrite link to console and see what happens
[03:18] <vertago1> it works
[03:18] <vertago1> "kwrite %U"
[03:19] <tmerriam_> hmm, thats weird. ive only ever seen that with wine
[03:20] <vertago1> yeah I think I am going crazy. When I launch it from the app menu or by right clicking a file and doing open with I get: "A KDE text-editor component could not be found.
[03:20] <vertago1> Please check your KDE installation."
[03:21] <vertago1> actually
[03:21] <vertago1> I think it is related to updating to 4.3.2
[03:21] <vertago1> let me try to restart kde and see if that fixes it
[03:21] <vertago1> brb
[03:25] <vertago1> tmerriam_ yes, restarting fixed it
[03:26] <tmerriam_> ah, cool
[03:27] <vertago1> anyone heard anything about when the glitches on intel graphics chips will be resolved?
[03:30] <tmerriam_> the alphas and betas looked a lot better
[03:30] <tmerriam_> *beta
[03:31] <vertago1> what kernel are they using?
[03:33] <vertago1> 2.6.31
[03:33] <tmerriam_> 30, i think
[03:33] <tmerriam_> oh 31?
[03:33] <vertago1> yeah they don't freeze the kernel until a few weeks from now
[03:34] <tmerriam_> ....it comes out in a few weeks
[03:34] <tmerriam_> isnt it frozen?
[03:39] <vertago1> trying to find the calendar, I was looking at it yesterday
[03:40] <vertago1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[03:40] <vertago1> kernel freeze is the 15th
[03:41] <douglask> vertago1: cool to knoww.
[03:41] <vertago1> anyone using the beta?
[03:42] <tv9> who one using kubuntu 8.4?
[03:42] <Lord_Drachenblut> vertago1: I have been using it since alpha 4 on my main laptop
[03:43] <Lord_Drachenblut> and it fixed a screen flicker issue i was having before
[03:43] <tv9> I am using kubuntu 8.4 as client in my network. We are using Apple SMB server for data sharing. i am able to read and write permission in my apple SMB server storage from my client system (Kubuntu 8.4). I successfully mount SMB server in client system automatically.
[03:43] <tv9>  But when ever i try to make sub folder in storage like ( Storage/Ashit/Ashish ) its creat that but after that i can not access that folder from same system but i can access that folder from my other network system which is working on Win Xp os. So advice me what i have to do i can access Storage, Ashit but i can not access Ashish, which is created by me from same system.
[03:43] <FloodBotK1> tv9: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:44] <vertago1> don't folders need the x permission to open?
[03:44] <tmerriam_> yeah, on linux. not sure how smb works. using nfs here
[03:45] <vertago1> tv9 try giving the folders the x permission
[03:45] <tv9> i can open but can't right......
[03:46] <tmerriam_> not owner/wrong permission?
[03:47] <douglask> I wonder if karmic will resolve an issue I've got where I cannot come bak from suspend to ram.
[03:47] <tv9> all permission i given to mount point...
[03:48] <vertago1> there is some flag you can set to propagate permissions down the tree, let me look it up
[03:49] <douglask> chmod -R or -r prolly.  run chmod --help to find out
[03:50] <tv9> there is on mount point one trycon is there the colour is green
[03:50] <tv9> that meance it is connected
[03:51] <vertago1> you might check the umask
[03:51] <vertago1> that affects the permissions of new files you create
[03:56] <tv9> i can wright on my page but can't on sub folder supose /storage/asit is created but can't wright on 'asit'
[03:57] <LuisJa> i got a problem triying to play runescape HD: the HD is not working, it worked fine before i had kubuntu 32bit, but i reinstalled and used 64bit, now HD doesnt wanna load: i click, but the buttons does nothing, it keeps in standart (works fine), can someone help me?
[04:03] <vertago1> are you using the same java plugin?
[04:05] <asit> hiii
[04:06] <asit> anyone using kubuntu 8.4?
[04:06] <douglask> 8.4 ... what's the name on that one again?
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> 8.04, the hardy heron
[04:09] <asit> KUBUNTU 8.4.
[04:13] <douglask> Ah.  No, I'm on Jaunty.
[04:13] <douglask> 9.04 if I remember right
[04:14] <asit> i'm talking about hardy
[04:16] <luis__> buenas noches
[04:16] <luis__> uppss
[04:16] <luis__> sorry
[04:16] <luis__> good nite
[04:17] <luis__> i am  trying to resize pics from my albums and i am using Gwenview but it doesnt give me an optinos to resize pics how or wich software should i use to do it hel pls
[04:22] <jaldhar> Hello.  Is anyone using the micro-blogging plasmoid?  Are you having problems seeing tweets other than your own?
[04:50] <Zuz|Kubuntu> !pastebin
[07:53] <Balsaq> may change vid cards due to slow vidoe performance with my old ATI card, had this channel found that nividia card offer better driver support thus allowing the vids to play correctly?
[08:00] <will_> Anyone know how to add a repo for KDE 4.2 that will work with Kubuntu 8.04?
[08:28] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[08:29] <contrast> Has anyone here ever defragged an XFS partition with xfs_fsr? I'm needing to do this, but gus3's comment from here - http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/26451/ - has me more than a little nervous.
[08:45] <Syrinx> contrast: he also says that xfs_fsr shouln't be used
[08:45] <Syrinx> And digital data with no backup is actuallt lost data [:
[08:46] <NoReflex> Hey guys! Do you know how I can open a multipart email attachment in Kubuntu (Karmic)?
[08:57] <rabidweezle> Syrinx: Seems like these days, data without 2 backups are lost data :/
[09:09] <manzanit> hola
[09:10] <apparle> hi
[09:23] <apparle> Plz help with ati opensource
[09:31] <mahdi_> mahdi87
[09:42] <noren> hello everyone
[09:42] <work> hi
[09:42] <work> hi.im using ubuntu..i want to kill the audio program..but doing ps aux doesnt lead me anynearer.anyone can hel?
[09:42] <noren> i am looking for a nice ebbok reader i dont want to read in okular its boring !! please suggest
[09:43] <noren> work: try running the Run command by right clicking the desktop
[09:43] <work> noren: Run?
[09:44] <work> im using ubuntu feisty
[09:44] <noren> thers an option called (Run Command) wen u right click on the desktop
[09:45] <noren> !ebook
[09:45] <noren> !reader
[09:45] <noren> !reed
[09:45] <Syrinx> noren, if they are in pdf, i used kpdf
[09:46] <Syrinx> But seems like it's not active anymore
[09:46] <noren> is kpdf better than okular
[09:46] <work> ??
[09:46] <noren> work: are u trying to kill a specific prog
[09:47] <Syrinx> work: go to console, type ps -A, find program u are trying to kill and type kill [program id]
[09:48] <work> Syrinx: the thing is ive shut down any audio application
[09:48] <work> but still cant play any sound
[09:49] <work> and in ps command, im not sure what audio program is still not killed
[09:49] <work> im using totem by the way
[09:49] <noren> work: restart the kdm
[09:50] <Syrinx> work: i recommend u amarok, but that's just my personal preference [:
[09:50] <work> this is the paste..http://pastebin.com/d1e12e27f
[09:50] <alvin> If I hover the mouse over the 'Indicator Display' widget, it says 'No applications running'. What is it for? Actually several applications are running (Quassel for example)
[09:52] <Syrinx> work: i can see from that paste that u still have totem running
[09:53] <work> aiks
[09:54] <work> wrong paste..wait
[09:54] <noren> work:  i see u are using gdm then restart the gdm
[09:54] <work> gdm is?
[09:54] <work> yeah i have few gdms
[09:55] <Syrinx> gnome display manager
[09:55] <work> ok
[09:55] <Syrinx> there's alternative to x restart for sure
[09:55] <work> so its related to audio?
[10:17] <kiharex> hallo?
[10:18] <Mamarok> !hi | kiharex
[10:18] <kiharex> mamarok: what up?
[10:18] <Mamarok> kiharex: this is a support channel, do you have a question?
[10:18]  * kiharex needs some assistance
[10:19] <kiharex> Mamarok: of course
[10:19] <kiharex> Mamarok: can you do a "/whois" on my id
[10:19] <kiharex> i'm trying to set my info to private via konversation (kde app)
[10:19] <kiharex> as well as the "id" portion of my nick/info.  i have tried several things and i don't think it's working
[10:20] <Mamarok> kiharex: you can't obfuscate your IP, unless you have a cloak
[10:20] <kiharex> nothing to change in the .rc
[10:20] <kiharex> mamarok: not so concerned about the IP
[10:20] <Mamarok> kiharex: read the freenode help online
[10:20] <kiharex> really the id portion
[10:20] <kiharex> hrmm yeah...ok
[10:20] <kiharex> thanks
[10:20] <Mamarok> you are welcome
[10:20]  * kiharex gone away crying
[10:21] <Mamarok> kiharex: please stay on topic
[11:08] <T-Lo> hi all, just got KDE 4.3.2 from kubuntu-ppa. works fine, but i noticed that kdepim (kmail, etc.) has still version 4.3.1. will it be updated, too?
[11:17] <meeee> how can I get links of files that are going to be downloaded by apt-get upgrade?
[11:35] <Spaceman> is 'Write-error on swap-device' a serious problem?
[11:46] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[12:30] <christian86> hey guys, since i updated my jaunty to kde 4.3.2 i cant open language settings in control centre, the windows is frozen and i can kill progress, no error messenger, any ideas?
[12:31] <AlexZion> hi everyone, someone can suggest me a good alternative for Ark ?
[12:37] <jaldhar> I asked this last night but didn't get a response.  Is anyone using the micro-blogging plasmoid?  Are you having problems seeing tweets other than your own?
[12:37] <jaldhar> this is on jaunty btw
[13:17] <contrast> Anyone know what would cause the video portion of Qt-based video players to be see-through when Compiz is running? I've tried different player backends, drivers, resetting Compiz to default settings, all to no avail. It's kinda driving me nuts. : \
[13:44] <yura> hell. I need to make checking for boostlib >= 1.34.0... configure: error: We could not detect the boost libraries (version 1.34 or higher). If you have a staged boost library (still not installed) please specify $BOOST_ROOT in your environment and do not give a PATH to --with-boost option.  If you are sure you have boost installed, then check your version number looking in <boost/version.hpp>. See http://randspringer.de/boost for more documentation.
[13:45] <yura> sorry
[13:47] <yura> I had  specify BOOST_ROOT  in enveroment, but when i try to "configure" phc lib, it talk to me: If you have a staged boost library (still not installed) please specify $BOOST_ROOT in your environment and do not give a PATH to --with-boost option.
[13:47] <yura> can you help me. i'm a newer in ubuntu
[13:52] <yura> can you tell me whats wrong?
[14:05] <Spaceman> is compcache really needed by (k)ubuntu?
[14:14] <JuJuBee> I did a apt-get upgrade  and dist-upgrade last night on my home desktop and now I cannot use it.  After entering the username and password, I get a black screen with my mouse pointer and it never changes.  I looked at dmesg but didn't notice anything obvious and I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but still no luck.  What else can I do?
[14:22] <martinix> hello
[14:22] <martinix> can anyone tell me why i dont see the react-option  "laptop lid closed" in the PowerManagement settings?
[14:23] <martinix> funny fact: i see it on my girlfriends laptop but not on mine
[14:23] <martinix> same ubuntu version
[14:23] <martinix> same laptop vendor and setup except gfx card
[14:25] <martinix> anyone?
[14:25] <JuJuBee> martinix: dunno, but in my experience power management has been a but unpredictable.
[14:26] <JuJuBee> getting better, but still seems flakey at times
[14:26] <blackcoffeerider> ok - just wanted to verify that i am not mentally ill or something
[14:26] <blackcoffeerider> since her kubuntu is a clone of mine
[14:28] <blackcoffeerider> if anyone has an idea ragarding this just drop me a line please
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:08] <lrdofnightmares> Hello guys!!!! Whats up!!? I have a solution about programing for newbies like myself, if you want to know asm
[15:10] <Gintulis> when I try to install x64 package (system kubuntu 9:04 x64), I get an error "KPackgeKit: Sorry, an error occurred" wherein the problem may be?
[15:12] <jhutchins_lt> Now for Gutsy=>Hardy.  This one says says 1.5 hrs vs. the 6 some that feisty=>gutsy took.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Gintulis, clean install ?
[15:18] <Gintulis> no, i have virtualbox 3.0, i i try to install newest version, from downloaded paskage
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Gintulis, 64 bit system ?
[15:19] <Gintulis> yes
[15:20] <Spaceman> is vitualbox running in 64bit mode?
[15:20] <Gintulis> yes
[15:24] <jhutchins_lt> Gintulis: You're using the GUI, right?
[15:24] <Gintulis> yes
[15:28] <hajbal92> hi
[15:29] <hajbal92> can somebody help me a bit?
[15:34] <kaddi> Hi, wine somehow got associated to bat and exe files and automatically executes them, when I click on them. I would like to get the dialog back asking what to do with the file. Were can I set that?
[15:36] <basajaun> hi get no disc error in kscd, but kscd playlist itemizes titles so obviously something in kscd points at wrong deveice what to do ?
[15:37] <Spaceman> maybe right click the bat/exe files and select properties
[15:37] <BluesKaj> kaddi, exe files are windows executable , they won't work without wine so they are auto-associated with wine
[15:37] <Spaceman> remove wine from the list of applications
[15:38] <kaddi> BluesKaj: I know, but I do a lot of malware related work and I don't want them to be accidentally executed
[15:38] <Spaceman> system config / file types and search for exe / bat
[15:38] <donovanh> goodday all. new to ubunto and having a blast. But have a little problem or 2. anyone available
[15:38] <Spaceman> ask away
[15:38] <kaddi> and it used to be that it asked if I wanted to execute the files with wine, which I could confirm or deny
[15:39] <BluesKaj> well then right click on the fiel to associate it with something that can't launch it
[15:39] <kaddi> Can't I just get back the dialog which asked me if I wanted to open the file with wine or kate or anything else?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> unless you want to dump wine
[15:40] <donovanh> Well i just got my new laptop. BYE BYE windows. its now running kubunto. it comes with an ATI card. I have got it configured to use the ati drivers and can set it up via sudo amdcccle.
[15:40] <donovanh> However. It only seems to be able to use bigdesktop.
[15:40] <donovanh> i was kinda hoping to use independant screens. so i can use different resolutions
[15:40] <BluesKaj> it's kubuntu not kubunto / ubunto
[15:41] <donovanh> thanks for my spelling correction
[15:42] <donovanh> however when i set it to indepandant displays my taskbar dissapears and i cant drap windows to the second monitor is there something im doing wrong
[15:42] <donovanh> ?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> donovanh, that's an interesting request ..simultaneously ?...dunno if ATI is capable
[15:43] <donovanh> ..simultaneously ? What you mean by that
[15:45] <BluesKaj> at the same time
[15:46] <donovanh> i know what it means, i mean do you want to know if i want to run the monitors at the same time.. the answer will be yes i do unless you know a better way to dual view using ATI.
[15:46] <donovanh> It does allow be to do it as i can drag my cursor to the next window. however i cant drag a window etc
[15:51] <salim> #windows
[15:52] <donovanh> how do i resart x with rebooting the entire machine
[15:52] <donovanh> without
[15:54] <donovanh> as in i want my new xorg.conf options to be applied
[15:54] <kaddi> you can log of and select restart x in the dropdown menu at the login screen
[15:54] <kaddi> or if you enabled dontzap you can hit ctrl+alt+del (I think, haven't used it in a while)
[16:11] <EvilRoey> Hello
[16:11] <EvilRoey> any chance that Kubuntu 9.10 will come with kernel 2.6.32?
[16:12] <kaddi> EvilRoey: I think that question is best asked in #ubuntu+1 But my guess would be no. Release is scheduled for in 2 weeks, I doubt they're going to switch the kernel til then.
[16:13] <EvilRoey> aah
[16:13] <EvilRoey> eesh.  I need taht r600 ati driver of 2.6.32
[16:14] <kaddi> you might be able to upgrade the kernel independently. I've used 2.6.30 with intrepid before.
[16:14] <kaddi> but I guess you will need someone doing the packages. ..
[16:18] <StaszkuSkosztuj> identify Pin27011986
[17:06] <Laeborg> i need a network manager there can auto connect to a hidden network (disabled ssid broadcast) and with support for vpn through pptp
[17:09] <natschil> Hello. I would like to suggest that the following patch/workaround http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1755/ be put into  the ubuntu packages, as not doing so would break the user experience for some of those of use who use compiz and kde together from 4.2 to 4.3
[17:14] <SeicherlBoB> Is there a way to disable wifi and bluetooth on system startup (except rc.local)? Something like parameters when loading the modules?
[17:14] <jhutchins_lt> I suppose you could blacklist the driver, or alias it off.
[17:15] <SeicherlBoB> jhutchins_lt: i dont want to disable it completely, i only want it to be powered off at startup and start them on demand with acpi keys
[17:16] <jhutchins_lt> SeicherlBoB: Have a look at startup services.
[17:16] <SeicherlBoB> jhutchins_lt: what do you mean by that?
[17:17] <SeicherlBoB> jhutchins_lt: i could just put the kill-wifi commands to rc.local, but i thougt there was another "nicer" way.
[17:19] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm using Kubuntu Karmic beta and I would like to install smplayer and mplayer. The problem is that mplayer from karmic's repos is old. I need mplayer with vdpau support (nvidia 8600 m GT)! Is there an updated repo with mplayer?
[17:21] <kaddi> NoReflex: this question is best asked in #ubuntu+1 since karmic is not out officially yet
[17:23] <NoReflex> kaddi: I'm also have a kubuntu jaunty machine and I'm searching for a solution for both
[17:24] <kaddi> NoReflex: there is a rep for an updated mplayer for jaunty I believe, don't know about karmic. one sec
[17:25] <kaddi> NoReflex: I added this one to my sources.list with jaunty: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu jaunty main I'm not sure which version was proposed there, which one do you need at least=
[17:27] <kaddi> https://launchpad.net/~rvm/+archive/mplayer it looks as if the packages are also up to date for karmic: https://launchpad.net/~rvm/+archive/mplayer
[17:28] <kaddi> gotta run. see you
[17:30] <antlarr> hi
[17:30] <antlarr> I'm adding a remote ipp printer using systemsettings, and I'm getting an error "the password may be incorrect" although I'm not being asked any password
[17:30] <antlarr> any idea of what's happening?
[17:33] <jhutchins_lt> antlarr: You can set the password in the uri, I believe it's ipp://user:password@address
[17:35] <antlarr> aah, of course, I didn't think of that, let's try...
[17:35] <Morydd> klipper is not showing up in my panel, but when I try to start it from konsole, it says it's already running. Any suggestions for getting it back?
[17:36] <NoReflex> Morydd: try to find  it with ps aux, then kill the pid and start again
[17:37] <antlarr> jhutchins_lt: nop, it doesn't allow me to edit the uri
[17:38] <Morydd> NoReflex: still no icon.
[17:48] <Karlita> Hello everyone! I just installed kubuntu and trying out linux first time ever =) I read that amarok is perfect to listen to music with. So i tried but it did not work, over at their channel they said I miss mp3 codecs and that I should ask here how to get them. Could someone please guide me?
[17:49] <jhutchins_lt> Karlita: You probably need to add the PLF repositories and update.
[17:49] <kishore> Hi I was just wondering why Qt applications in kubuntu are not compiled with QT_NODEBUG_OUTPUT defined. Is there any strong reason for this?
[17:49] <antlarr> Karlita: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope)
[17:49] <jhutchins_lt> Karlita: Um, no, stupid, wrong distro, sorry.  See antlarr's response.
[17:50] <Karlita> Thank you guys
[17:50] <antlarr> Karlita: you're welcome
[17:51] <jhutchins_lt> Amarok 1's a pretty good music manager.  Jury's still out on 2.x.
[17:51] <jhutchins_lt> Karlita: You may also be interested in xine as a player, and VLC or mplayer which include video.
[17:51] <jhutchins_lt> Karlita: I haven't tried banshee yet, it's an alternative to Amarok.
[17:52]  * Morydd vastly disliked 2 but I haven't looked at it again since I downgraded a few months ago.
[17:52] <Karlita> I will certainly try them. Thank you
[17:53] <antlarr> and amarok 2.2 was released a few days ago, be sure to try that one
[17:54] <ovrdrive> anyone alive
[17:55] <Karlita> May I ask, one last question. I've ben using windows until like 1 hr ago when i installed kubuntu. I am trying to get a vnc viewer. Any idea where I can find? I found tightvnc, which I also used in windows. But there are only a tar.bz file. I dunno how to install that?
[17:55] <natschil> hello. On what irc channel can I suggest a patch to kubuntu?
[17:56] <maco> natschil: #kubuntu-devel, though usually youd file a bug and attach it
[17:56] <natschil> maco: thanks
[17:57] <antlarr> Karlita: krdc
[17:57] <antlarr> Karlita: or just press Alt-f2  and write  vnc://host  or vnc://host:port
[17:58] <Karlita> Thank you =) will try out the krdc :)
[17:59] <Karlita> antlarr: sudo apt-get install krdc is not working?
[18:01] <Karlita> nm it was installed :P
[18:04] <Morydd> Am I correct that the new versions of Firefox and Thunderbird won't be in the "regular" repos until the next version of kubuntu is released?
[18:36] <Karlita> Oh oh.. I got a biiiig problem :( My sound is not working. It works when i log in.. then it displays a notfication that intel hd is not working
[18:37] <Karlita> I got two soundcards.. One integrated , in my intel motherboard and one creative fatal1ty soundcard
[18:38] <dwidmann> Karlita: might want to try blacklisting the creative card
[18:39] <Karlita> Blacklisting it? but thats a better soundcard than the integrated one?
[18:39] <dwidmann> Karlita: not without functional drivers it isn't?
[18:40] <Karlita> dwidmann: Oh well I don't know :P I am barely a 2 hr linux user. Just installed it so I am kinda clueless
[18:40] <dwidmann> I can double check, but I doubt that card will work well
[18:44] <dwidmann> Karlita: hmm, it might work with the emu20k1 driver, not sure though
[18:45] <dwidmann> Karlita: anyhow, I would try blacklisting either it or the other soundcard because they might conflict
[18:45] <Karlita> dwidmann: sure i can blacklist the creative.  Thanks
[18:52] <jamesjedimaster> !dualboot
[18:57] <SilentWarrior> jamesjedimaster: hey, I am trying to make a "root (hd0,0)" but it isnt working, i am booting as a live cd, so, something most be off, is there a grub command to get a list of available partitions?
[18:58] <jamesjedimaster> check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:58] <SilentWarrior> in what partition?
[18:58] <SilentWarrior> its a live cd
[18:58] <darkmatter> "cat /proc/partitions" form the shell
[18:58] <jamesjedimaster> where it is / installed
[18:58] <SilentWarrior> i had windows, and kubuntu inside it with Wubi xD
[18:59] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: thx
[18:59] <jamesjedimaster> sorry, i don't have experience with wubi
[18:59] <darkmatter> i used wubi once
[18:59] <SilentWarrior> no worries, just have to boot windows again and it should work
[18:59] <darkmatter> i found a script to extract a wubi install into a partition
[19:00] <darkmatter> that was sometime ago so I don't quite recall its name
[19:00] <darkmatter> jamesjedimaster, / is not a partition on the harddisk
[19:01] <SilentWarrior> http://pastie.org/645713 can you help me understand what of this relates to the grub command line terminology?
[19:01] <SilentWarrior> i guess sda is the one i want
[19:01] <jamesjedimaster> i meant the partition where / is installed, i didn't know he is using wubi
[19:02] <darkmatter> SilentWarrior, if you're using wubi, I don't think kubuntu is actually installed on the disk
[19:02] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: it is xD
[19:02] <darkmatter> i may be wrong though
[19:02] <darkmatter> i think wubi uses a loopback device
[19:03] <SilentWarrior> http://pastie.org/645693
[19:03] <darkmatter> a file within the windows filesystem
[19:03] <SilentWarrior> it displays as Xubuntu tho
[19:03] <SilentWarrior> but its kubuntu
[19:04] <SilentWarrior> but, dont worry about wubi, I want it to start booting windows again, once it does, wubi should pick up just fine too
[19:04] <SilentWarrior> basically, i need help setting up grub on the first sda
[19:04] <SilentWarrior> http://pastie.org/645713
[19:05] <darkmatter> you'll break your system
[19:05] <SilentWarrior> too late
[19:05] <SilentWarrior> already is
[19:05] <darkmatter> kubuntu isn't installed on the HD, it's installed in a file on the windows filesystem. A very large file
[19:06] <SilentWarrior> odly enough, i took out a dvd rom, and system stop booting, thats why i need to fix my MBS
[19:06] <darkmatter> you took out a dvd-rom drive?
[19:07] <SilentWarrior> yup
[19:07] <darkmatter> how would that affect your MBR?
[19:07] <SilentWarrior> to fix my brothers pc, then MBR got screwed
[19:07] <SilentWarrior> dont ask me
[19:07] <SilentWarrior> Windows moves in misterious ways
[19:07] <darkmatter> unlikely
[19:07] <SilentWarrior> anyways, all my data is there
[19:08] <darkmatter> windows might be reacting badly to a hardware change
[19:08] <SilentWarrior> just checked with ubuntu live cd
[19:08] <SilentWarrior> all my hardware is back inside it now tho
[19:08] <darkmatter> it's very improbable for your MBR to spontaneously change
[19:08] <SilentWarrior> just need it to start booting again
[19:08] <darkmatter> boot windows in safe-mode
[19:08] <SilentWarrior> it says i dont have a system
[19:08] <SilentWarrior> same as if u unplug all harddrives ya know
[19:09] <SilentWarrior> thats typical MBR error
[19:09] <SilentWarrior> or un-existance of it
[19:09] <SilentWarrior> rite?
[19:09] <darkmatter> you have a windows problem
[19:10] <SilentWarrior> i think my windows is fine
[19:10] <SilentWarrior> as the data is fine
[19:10] <SilentWarrior> just ... isnt booting
[19:11] <SilentWarrior> it isnt actually calling the "start windows" thingy
[19:11] <SilentWarrior> just passes all bios info, then says he cant find a system
[19:11] <SilentWarrior> this happens to me from time to time
[19:12] <SilentWarrior> normally i was about to reformat anyways, so, i dont really care, but this time its diferent
[19:12] <darkmatter> is your bios OK?
[19:12] <SilentWarrior> i just want to fix my MBR
[19:12] <SilentWarrior> -.-'
[19:12] <darkmatter> removing a drive could affect the BIOS
[19:12] <SilentWarrior> everything is fine
[19:13] <SilentWarrior> everything no... everything except MBR
[19:13] <SilentWarrior> i beleave
[19:14] <darkmatter> SilentWarrior, your MBR is window's based
[19:15] <SilentWarrior> yup
[19:15] <SilentWarrior> and now i want Grub
[19:15] <darkmatter> too late
[19:15] <SilentWarrior> so it doesnt break so often
[19:15] <darkmatter> if linux was installed on a separate partition, you could do that now
[19:16] <SilentWarrior> why is that
[19:16] <darkmatter> in that case you'd know the root and boot partitions
[19:16] <darkmatter> as it is, there's a virtual disk somewhere in the windows FS holding linux
[19:17] <SilentWarrior> here : http://pastie.org/645693 http://pastie.org/645713
[19:17] <SilentWarrior> isnt there it?
[19:17] <SilentWarrior> that*
[19:18] <SilentWarrior> everything shows up in there
[19:18] <itstk> grr
[19:18] <SilentWarrior> if i can boot sda, i should be able to boot wubi
[19:18] <SilentWarrior> too
[19:18] <SilentWarrior> rite?
[19:18] <darkmatter> the first file is a windows boot.ini, it has nothing to do with linux
[19:18] <itstk> has anyone had issues updating flash at all?.. ive uninstalled flash 9 and tried installing flash 10.. everything seems to be going ok but it still says i have flash 9.. any insight?
[19:18] <darkmatter> the second is simply what the current kernel you're running has detected
[19:19] <darkmatter> SilentWarrior: windows XP or vista?
[19:20] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: the first one, shows information about where the windows partition is, the (0)s you see there, the secund one, shows that the partitions arent hidden or missing
[19:20] <SilentWarrior> windows xp
[19:20] <SilentWarrior> vista has some wierd bootloader
[19:20] <SilentWarrior> but thats not the case
[19:20] <darkmatter> i hate to say this but
[19:20] <darkmatter> back up the boot.ini
[19:20] <darkmatter> and reinstall windows
[19:20] <SilentWarrior> cant i just make Grub point to it?
[19:21] <SilentWarrior> and install grub in the MBR
[19:21] <SilentWarrior> because i dont want to reinstall windows
[19:21] <SilentWarrior> beats the point of all this trouble
[19:22] <SilentWarrior> i want to keep my data (programs, settings, files)
[19:22] <darkmatter> reinstalling windows won't necessarily wipe your data
[19:22] <darkmatter> do an "upgrade" rather than fresh install
[19:22] <SilentWarrior> not all
[19:22] <SilentWarrior> most
[19:22] <SilentWarrior> settings gone, programs gone, etc
[19:22] <darkmatter> nope
[19:23] <SilentWarrior> the registry wont be updated either
[19:23] <SilentWarrior> so, will have to fresh reinstall everything
[19:23] <darkmatter> no need
[19:23] <darkmatter> i'd rather not be dispensing windows advice right now
[19:23] <SilentWarrior> if all i need is to get it loaded by the bootloader, then why reinstall it all?
[19:23] <darkmatter> but you can do a re-install rather than a fresh install
[19:24] <darkmatter> it will replace it's MBR
[19:24] <SilentWarrior> yah, so will installing Ubuntu
[19:24] <SilentWarrior> so will, replacing MBR by hand
[19:24] <darkmatter> that too
[19:24] <SilentWarrior> but replacing MBR by hand wont make my windows suffer nor will make my wubi install inside it suffer
[19:25] <SilentWarrior> right?
[19:25] <darkmatter> sounds easy
[19:25] <darkmatter> you'll need a boot partition
[19:26] <SilentWarrior> the boot partition can be my windows one, right?
[19:26] <SilentWarrior> i have already grub copied to /boot/grub
[19:26] <SilentWarrior> inside it
[19:26] <darkmatter> i doubt that the kernel will boot from NTFS
[19:26] <darkmatter> dunno
[19:27] <SilentWarrior> now, i need to make MBR call grub
[19:27] <darkmatter> SilentWarrior, simplest solution is the least pleasant one. reinstall windows. free your ubuntu and give it it's own partition
[19:28] <darkmatter> choose upgrade rather than fresh installation
[19:28] <darkmatter> windows will replace missing files and rewrite the MBR WITHOUT deleting your files and programs
[19:28] <SilentWarrior> i would rather try the MBR solution before i screw anything else you know :/
[19:29] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: check this one out : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot?action=show&redirect=WindowsDualBootHowTo
[19:29] <SilentWarrior> where it says Recovering GRUB after reinstalling Windows
[19:30] <darkmatter> that probably isn't a wubi install
[19:31] <SilentWarrior> forget wubi please, suppose i just want a simple "boot windows"
[19:31] <SilentWarrior> if wubi isnt working after, I can copy all my stuff easlity
[19:31] <darkmatter> grub still requires a menu.lst file and i don't know what else
[19:31] <SilentWarrior> because *ubuntu is cool like that
[19:32] <darkmatter> it won't take NTFS
[19:32] <SilentWarrior> you sure?
[19:32] <darkmatter> http://www.techzonez.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3975
[19:33] <darkmatter> it's just because of problems like these that i switched to linux in the first place
[19:33] <darkmatter> SilentWarrior, http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html look at No 7
[19:34] <darkmatter> i used recovery console once, it was a bad experience. caveat emptor
[19:34] <SilentWarrior> yeah, well, i still have to use windows, but i use Macosx, windows and kubuntu (and xubuntu on my laptop)
[19:35] <darkmatter> this would be a non-issue if ubuntu had it's own partition
[19:36] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: but, then again, windows wouldnt boot would it
[19:36] <darkmatter> replacing with grub would be easy
[19:37] <SilentWarrior> ohh, i see where your main point is, i cant install grub because i have only NTFS, am I right?
[19:37] <SilentWarrior> if i didnt.. then it would be possible to use Grub
[19:37] <darkmatter> exactly
[19:38] <SilentWarrior> why didnt u say so in the first place? xD
[19:38] <SilentWarrior> i was all confused for no reason
[19:38] <darkmatter> i kept saying wubi
[19:38] <SilentWarrior> wubi is inside windows ntfs partition so, wouldnt really help
[19:38] <darkmatter> just backup your boot.ini
[19:39] <darkmatter> let windows fix it's own MBR
[19:39] <SilentWarrior> C:\wubildr.mbr = "Xubuntu"
[19:39] <darkmatter> boot from a windows install CD and use recovery console or do a reinstall to replace missing files
[19:39] <jhutchins_lt> Why couldn't you use boot to chainload the windows bootloader?
[19:39] <SilentWarrior> only need to backup that line right?
[19:40] <darkmatter> jhutchins, how would grub read the menu.lst file?
[19:41] <darkmatter> there's no boot or root partition on the HD
[19:42] <SilentWarrior> darkmatter: gona reboot and try that, brb =)
[19:42] <darkmatter> goodluck
[19:42] <darkmatter> backup the entire boot.ini file!
[19:44] <jhutchins_lt> darkmatter: I'm pretty sure that lilo can do it, but it writes more info to the boot sector.
[19:45] <jhutchins_lt> Been a while since I dual booted NT.
[19:45] <darkmatter> jhutchins, lilo was before my time
[19:45] <darkmatter> jhutchins, he's not dual-booting
[19:45] <darkmatter> ubuntu is install via wubi
[19:46] <darkmatter> there should be no linux partition
[19:46] <kwyjibo> i just installed kubuntu 9.10 beta. i'm new to it. it asks me to install some updates, but when i agree, it says i don't have permission. it doesn't even ask me to elevate
[19:46] <darkmatter> windows boots up, displays a menu of choices not grub
[19:46] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm using KDE4.3 and I can't seem to be able to change the keyboard shortcut for activating the cube and configuring the magic lamp as the minimize effect.
[19:47] <kwyjibo> how do i install updates if it doesn't even ask me to provide my password. it just refuses me?
[19:47] <NoReflex> I would like to use Ctrl+Alt+Left, Ctrl+Alt=Right and Ctrl+Alt+Mouse for moving
[19:48] <NoReflex> kwyjibo: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:48] <kwyjibo> thanks, NoReflex :)
[19:48] <NoReflex> kwyjibo: you're welcome :)
[19:48] <darkmatter> kwyjibo, or "kdesudo kpackagekit" if you prefer a GUI
[19:50] <kwyjibo> the terminal is already going, but i'll try that next time, darkmatter. i wrote it down
[20:00] <NoReflex> I'm using kwin as my composite window manager. I remember compiz had some tuning options for nvidia like loose binding and indirect rendering? Do I have to do something similar with kwin as well?
[20:18] <jhutchins> darkmatter: Actually, lilo's still a viable alternative.
[20:18] <jhutchins> darkmatter: I love the ability to pass a temporary default boot to it.
[20:18] <jhutchins> I HATE having to perch over a system as it reboots to try to catch the boot menu.
[20:58] <jhutchins_lt> Where are the instructions for a non-GUI upgrade?
[20:58] <loldump> Hi I have a question about ubuntu supported
[20:58] <loldump> when hardy is not supported in october or nov.
[20:58] <loldump> does that mean that the universe/apt etc wont work for it
[20:59] <loldump> or just that canonical no longer supports it (as in support help)
[20:59] <loldump> sorry im not away
[20:59] <loldump> i dont know how that happened :P
[21:01] <Bou> jhutchins_lt: non-GUI upgrade of?
[21:02] <jhutchins_lt> Hardy to interpid?
[21:02] <jhutchins_lt> There are instructions for previous versions, but not for hardy.
[21:04] <joshjtl> WOW moblin is really badass! I'm going to try and use it instead of kde
[21:07] <JuJuBee> Yesterday I did an update and when I tried to restart and login, I have no session type anymore.  I just installed ubuntu-desktop but what happened to my kde installation?
[21:07] <jhutchins_lt> Ah, there we go, have to update /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change it from lts to normal updates.
[21:08] <JuJuBee> I originally installed kubuntu
[21:08] <JuJuBee> So where did it go? and how do I get it back?
[21:09] <jhutchins_lt> JuJuBee: Your login manager should offer the choice.
[21:09] <JuJuBee> When I click on session (where I change from gnome to kde) there was neither...
[21:09] <jhutchins_lt> You should still have kde, and if you kill the display manager, log in to a console, and run startkde it should start for you.  You may be able to tweak the login manager from there.
[21:11] <JuJuBee> if I am logged in to gnome, how do I do that? (kill display manager)?
[21:13] <JuJuBee> I just typed start<tab><tab> and there is no startkde command available.
[21:14] <dwidmann> JuJuBee: /usr/bin/startkde is owned by kdebase-workspace-bin
[21:14] <JuJuBee> and that is not installed according to my system...
[21:15] <JuJuBee> so I need to install it , but why did it get removed during an update?
[21:15] <dwidmann> JuJuBee: not sure, but in case other things were removed, try installing kubuntu-desktop
[21:16] <JuJuBee> Well, thats disturbing.  is it possible I have a repo enabled that I shouldn't have?
[21:16] <dwidmann> JuJuBee: Sure, it's possible.
[21:17] <JuJuBee> is this one a bad one to have ?  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[21:18] <dwidmann> JuJuBee: not as reliable as main for sure ... not entirely out of the ordinary for upgrades to run into problems
[21:19] <dwidmann> JuJuBee: fortunately once you iron out the wrinkles the packages are fine though
[21:20] <JuJuBee> Ok, kubuntu-desktop is done.  BTW, how come <ctrl>+<alt>+<backspace> no longer works?
[21:24] <rmrfslash> Does anyone else think firefox is incredibly slow on kubuntu (9.04, kde 4.3)
[21:24] <rmrfslash> or is it just me
[21:25] <rmrfslash> I don't even really know what to do at this point.... just painstakingly slow.
[21:25] <rmrfslash> Chrome is lightning fast
[21:25] <rmrfslash> no problems w/ opera
[21:25] <N0LLY> use chrome ;)
[21:25] <rmrfslash> but ff is awful
[21:26] <rmrfslash> well I don't really *want* to be limited to chrome
[21:26] <rmrfslash> considering all the plugins for ff
[21:26] <N0LLY> well what FF version are you using ?
[21:27] <rmrfslash> I havw 2 versions installed
[21:27] <rmrfslash> I have the standard ff for kubuntu
[21:27] <N0LLY> for me, 3.5 is peerfect
[21:28] <rmrfslash> 3.0.14 and 3.5
[21:28] <rmrfslash> shirtoko 3.5.3
[21:28] <N0LLY> yeah yeah ok
[21:29] <rmrfslash> "It works on my computer"
[21:29] <rmrfslash> "So what's the problem?"
[21:29] <N0LLY> yeah well...
[21:29] <rmrfslash> always an appropriate response to a user issue.
[21:29] <rmrfslash> I wish I could say that to my users.
[21:29] <N0LLY> I must admit I don`t know the cause, I`m only a common user here....
[21:30] <LMJ> I would to know if anyone had this Vnc bug when I vnc my syster kubuntu 9.04 laptop : http://i37.tinypic.com/119wf14.png
[21:33] <JuJuBee> Ok, now I have kde back.
[21:34] <mauri> im looking for a tool like partition manager that is able to manage ntfs partition (resize)
[21:34] <JuJuBee> I use the glassified theme and my panel used to be transparent, it is not anymore how do I correct that?
[21:34] <JuJuBee> mauri gparted can resize ntfs
[21:35] <mauri> JuJuBee: no, it is not able
[21:36] <JuJuBee> I just used it today to do just that.
[21:36] <JuJuBee> Is the ntfs partition mounted?
[21:37] <mauri> JuJuBee: wait, i check
[21:37] <mauri> JuJuBee: no it is not monted
[21:38] <JuJuBee> dunno then, but I did resize an ntfs partition with gparted today
[21:38] <JuJuBee> try booting from live cd
[21:40] <JuJuBee> Hmmm, seems compositing is disabled and I cannot seem to resume it
[21:40] <rmrfslash> Well... some success.
[21:41] <JuJuBee> Yes.
[21:42] <rmrfslash> I disabled firebug and this sped things up dramatically (for gmail). I don't remember firebug causing this bad of a scene in firefox before. I'm aware of the warning on gmail that firebug causes performance issues but i've been able to disregard it until now.
[21:42] <rmrfslash> Before that however, disabling the ipv6 dns improved things
[22:02] <NoReflex> Hey guys! I just installed Kubuntu karmic beta and I have a problem with my sound system. I have a Dell Inspiron 1520 notebook and lspci says : Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller. My problem is whenever a sound is generated I can hear a crackling sound for about 1-2 seconds before
[22:03] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, all sounds?
[22:03] <NoReflex> yeah : flash, skype, kopete, smplayer
[22:04] <NoReflex> I went to the configuration options multimedia and there are two options there: HDA Intel STAC92xx Analog and PulseAudio
[22:05] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, yeah, those have been there for a while.
[22:05] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, i used to have that problem with sounds from gtk apps, if that information is of any use
[22:06] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, it sort of went away by itself after updates. but that was over a year ago
[22:06] <NoReflex> If I try to play a test sound with pulseaudio it says : the device pulseaudio does not work falling back to stac..... and it plays the sound
[22:06] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, you could then switch the hda intel one to the preferred device
[22:07] <devilsadvocate_> NoReflex, and maybe see why pulseaudio isnt doing what its supposed to
[22:07] <NoReflex> the HDA intel is the preferred device (top of the list)
[22:13] <NoReflex> it seems the sound only appears when "starting the audio device"; for example if I have a application that uses the soundcard(a movie playing in smplayer at low volume) and I try to generate other sounds(test sounds, skype sounds, notification sounds) the crackling doesn't appear
[22:14] <ubox> is kde uber better than gnome?
[22:15] <NoReflex> this also works with a flash movie in a browser window and even works if the videos (smplayer, flash) are paused
[22:17] <NoReflex> ubox: I used gnome for about a year and switched to kde about two days ago and I must say I really like KDE4.3. I still have some minor issues (kopete doesn't work well with yahoo accounts, few konsole fonts and a few other) but IMHO KDE4.3 is better than Gnome (2.26, 2.28)
[22:18] <ubox> it sure looks better! :) i was looking a screenshots and it has cool things like transparencies built in
[22:19] <NoReflex> ubox I think the thing I like most in KDE4 is the Kwin composite window manager- you can have cool desktop effects without installing compiz; oh yeah...and the widgets
[22:19] <ubox> i am downloading the iso for kubuntu, i already have ubuntu and when i grab my new laptop later today i will take both for a test spin. it is a 64bit as of now i run an old ppc
[22:20] <ubox> yea i like widgets
[22:20] <NoReflex> ubox: Jaunty or Karmic?
[22:21] <ubox> jaunty
[22:21] <ubox> is karmic a huge jump?
[22:22] <ubox> i'm on intrepid now, i tried to auto upgrade to jaunty and everything broke
[22:23] <NoReflex> Well, my notebook (Dell Inspiron 1520) did have some issues with Jaunty's kernel (2.6.28) - random lockups. I solved the problem in jaunty by manually installing 2.6.31 kernel; Karmic comes with that kernel and a few other nice features as well - upstart for example
[22:23] <NoReflex> For me Kubuntu Karmic beta works very well
[22:24] <ubox> oh, so maybe i should download the 9.10 kubuntu before i burn it
[22:25] <ubox> ooo, they are in beta now
[22:25] <NoReflex> ubox: I never managed to do a distribution upgrade (upgrade-manager -d) so that it would work well. I always had to install a fresh copy of the version I wanted to upgrade to
[22:26] <ubox> oh, i should have tried that lol. are the regular desktop iso's the live cd ones?
[22:26] <NoReflex> yes -  you can test or install with those CD's
[22:27] <ubox> nice
[22:28] <ubox> maybe i will make a switch to kubuntu after tonight. some guy in #ubuntu yelled at me for asking which version they preferred. saying something about it being for support blah blah
[22:28] <ubox> so far people in here are nicer
[22:29] <LjL> ubox: only because it's absurdly silent lately, otherwise the rules are the same
[22:29] <LjL> #ubuntu is too busy for the 1400 people in it to all answer what they prefer
[22:29] <LjL> there's #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[22:29] <LjL> (and even then)
[22:30] <ubox> ljl: oh, the other person should have just told me to go there
[22:30] <ubox> no need to be rude :)
[22:30] <LjL> ubox: yes
[22:30] <ubox> well thanks for letting me know
[22:30] <LjL> ubox: but they did give you !best
[22:30] <LjL> they only became a bit rude when you insisted
[22:31] <ubox> haha, yes but i found using a bot to reply to me rude
[22:31] <LjL> ubox: that's not a good attitude, either
[22:31] <LjL> our ubottu here is a useful bot
[22:31] <LjL> it saves typing, and you cannot expect volunteers to hurt their fingers just for the sake of it, when they can as well use the bot
[22:31] <LjL> !botsnack
[22:32] <ubox> sorry, i don't mean to offend. i just prefer talking to people as people instead
[22:32] <LjL> as for getting "real" opinions, i assure you that the bot in #ubuntu-bots actually has votes from real people
[22:32] <ubox> but i do have to agree that these rooms do get very busy, so i guess i can understand
[22:33] <ubox> i'm not used to irc yet, i've only been around in my own channel for a little while. which has few users so there really aren't any rules
[22:34] <LjL> ubox: this channel also used to be a lot bigger and busier than it is now. years ago, we wouldn't have had this conversaton in here, i'd have asked you to come to privmsg with me or something
[22:34] <LjL> right now, it's so silent it's hardly worth i
[22:36] <ubox> yes it does seem very quiet compared to ubuntu, or linux
[22:36] <ubox> maybe everyone is so happy with kubuntu working properly in karmic that they don't need to ask questions
[23:12] <Ev0luti0n_> yo folks also looking forward to the launch of the new build of kubuntu?
[23:29] <tzanger> good evening
[23:29] <tzanger> got the 9.10 beta up and running, very nice...
[23:29] <tzanger> would +1 be the place to ask where to report bgus?
[23:30] <LjL> yes
[23:31] <tzanger> danke
[23:32] <Ev0luti0n_> folks
[23:32] <Ev0luti0n_> anybody with an asus TV card?


[02:41] <iGotNoTime> I wish we had sound in IRC so I could scream BOOOO! and scare the hell out of all of you :P
[02:42] <iGotNoTime> running to the market be back in a bit :)
[02:45] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:45] <HedgeMage> no, thanks.  I don't need to hear all the other users' music, noises, etc.
[02:48] <Burgundavia> right, and my boss at work would wonder what I was doing on my machine
[02:48] <Burgundavia> I like stealth-ircing thanks
[02:49] <HedgeMage> lol
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> BOOO!
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> Ha got ya again!
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[03:37] <iGotNoTime> damn it just doesn't feel the same :(
[03:38] <HedgeMage> lol
[03:41] <flint> HedgeMage, Hi there my dear, still like the name and intend to keep using it.
[03:43] <HedgeMage> flint: :) good
[03:43] <flint> HedgeMage, anyway thank you very much.  where in the world are you? I am in Vermont, USA.
[03:48] <flint> anyway, good night and good luck. sksk
[03:50] <HedgeMage> WA, usa
[03:50] <HedgeMage> oops, missed him
[04:29] <iGotNoTime> Can I modify my settings in any way to make the Windows Key open the Applications menu?
[04:29] <iGotNoTime> some habits are VERY hard to break
[04:29] <Burgundavia> I don't think so
[04:30] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[04:30] <iGotNoTime> thx :)
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> whoa! nevermind :P
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> it currently changes my languages!
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> very cool
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> much easier than multple keys!
[05:52] <Burgundavia> greetings highvoltage
[05:52] <Burgundavia> how is your saturday?
[05:54] <highvoltage> hi Burgundavia
[05:54] <highvoltage> well, i just woke up, so we'll have to see :)
[05:55] <highvoltage> going to install 2 new tuxlabs in 2 hours or so from now :)
[05:55] <highvoltage> brining the amount of tuxlabs in this province to 120.
[05:55] <Burgundavia> cool
[05:55] <Burgundavia> userful via omni and novell is about to roll out 3k desktops in NorthWest province
[05:57] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[05:58] <highvoltage> .za at educational level is going towards linux faster and faster
[05:59] <highvoltage> the educational content providers are working more and more towards making all their content web-based, or at least platform independent to some degree.
[05:59] <highvoltage> because they are aware of all these mass Linux deployments and they don't want to loose market.
[05:59] <highvoltage> this in turn, is helping the DoE to more seriously consider Linux for their roll-outs
[06:06] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:46] <simon__> anyone at home
[11:46] <Burgundavia> simon__: nope
[11:47] <simon__> got an ltsp problem any takers
[11:47] <Burgundavia> sorry, I know nothing about ltsp
[11:48] <simon__> get to gnome desktop manger screen but keyboard works on and off with wrong symbols when it does work then suddenly it will work ok for a bit then fail again. i know its not keyboard as it works ok in main edubuntu
[01:58] <snif96ter> hallo
[01:59] <highvoltage> hi
[01:59] <snif96ter> ich soll in einer Schule ein Netzwerk einrichten ich mchte dafr Linux nehmen, weil ich selber schon lnger privat mit Ubuntu arbeite. Jetzt mchte ich wissen, was Edubuntu besser kann oder welche extra funktionen es gegenber anderen Ubuntu Derivaten hat.
[02:03] <highvoltage> hallo snif96ter. fgt edubuntu irgendeinen pdagogischen Inhalt, wie kde-edu, gcompris, tux4kids, etc. sowie LTSP hinzu, das Ihnen erlaubt, Computer von einem Netz aufzuladen.  ich spreche nicht irgendwie deutsch, ich benutze google bersetze zum communicat zu Ihnen jetzt :)
[02:04] <highvoltage> ogra ist mglicherweise deutsch, wenn Sie auf einer Spitze halten, die Sie einige Fragen konnten als er.
[02:05] <snif96ter> ok highvoltage you can speak english to me
[02:05] <highvoltage> shew! that's way less work :)
[02:05] <snif96ter> :)
[02:06] <highvoltage> are you planning to use thin clients, or full desktop systems?
[02:06] <snif96ter> what are thin clients?
[02:06] <highvoltage> that's when you have workstations without any local storage, they boot and work entirely off the network, from a central server.
[02:07] <highvoltage> the applications even run from the server, they are just displayed locally.
[02:07] <highvoltage> edubuntu has this built in by default. your workstations only need to be PII's. You need a powerful server, though.
[02:07] <snif96ter> i plan it with full desktop systems
[02:08] <highvoltage> in that case, edubuntu will only give you software such as what i've mentioned before. edubuntu also includes schooltool.
[02:08] <snif96ter> i've heard of schooltool before but how can i use it?
[02:09] <highvoltage> unfortunately i haven't had a chance to use it too much either
[02:09] <highvoltage> but if you have some time, you could look it up at http://www.schooltool.org
[02:12] <snif96ter> the server in this school is already Suse Linux 9.3 Server do i need a edubuntu server? or can i use the suse server?
[03:34] <jelkner> hi all, i have a quick question
[03:35] <jelkner> we have an edubuntu lab setup in a community that is primarily spanish speaking
[03:35] <jelkner> i did the install in english
[03:35] <jelkner> when i connect directly to the server, i can choose the language
[03:35] <jelkner> on the clients, i can't
[03:36] <jelkner> is there an easy way to change the default language to spanish on the clients?
[03:42] <highvoltage> jelkner: i think there is a way, but you have to change it for *all* the clients then
[03:42] <highvoltage> jelkner: i don't think you can choose individual or per-user languages atm
[03:43] <jelkner> highvoltage, that's ok
[03:44] <jelkner> i know later we will be able to choose on an individual basis (perhaps dapper + 1)?
[03:44] <jelkner> but for now i want spanish
[03:44] <jelkner> how can i do that?
[03:44] <highvoltage> i'm not sure
[03:44] <highvoltage> i asked ogra about it a few days back, and he said you could change it in the ltsp chroot
[03:44] <highvoltage> i'm not sure how though
[03:45] <jelkner> ok, i'll check with him later
[03:45] <jelkner> thanks
[03:45] <jelkner> exit
[06:16] <flint> ogra, ollie got a stoopid question...
[06:17] <spacey> oh oh flint
[06:18] <spacey> please feel free to share with the rest of us as well
[06:19] <flint> spacey, ok babies, elkner calls me up in a dither... he needs to switch classrooms full of folks between languages - hopefully on the fly.
[06:19] <spacey> he already asked here 3 hours ago
[06:19] <flint> the dealieo here is there are several language variables in a user environment.  these are:
[06:19] <spacey> spanish
[06:20] <flint> spacey, spanish is the real issue here in the colonies absolutely.
[06:20] <flint> flint@zeta:~$ set | grep -i lang
[06:20] <flint> GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> now when you switch to spanish....
[06:20] <spacey> IIRC you can change the default in /etc/environment
[06:21] <flint> flint@zeta:~$ set | grep -i lang
[06:21] <flint> GDM_LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> LANGUAGE=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> on a per user basis? in ltsp?
[06:21] <spacey> thats systemwide
[06:22] <spacey> on per user i'm not sure, normally you select that in GDM
[06:22] <spacey> not sure where its stored normally per user
[06:22] <flint> what about a for a given user, say you want half the class in spanish and half in english?
[06:22] <flint> and this would be in the LTSP /opt/etc/ or something eh?
[06:22] <spacey> then you need configure it for half of the users i guess
[06:23] <spacey> well
[06:23] <flint> where in GDM ( or as I like to refer to it, goddamn :^) would you change the language variable?
[06:23] <spacey> if you set it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[06:23] <spacey> then its only for the thinclient self
[06:23] <spacey> afaik
[06:23] <spacey> so maybe LDM will be in that language then
[06:23] <flint> I can probabaly live with just this environment variable change.
[06:24] <spacey> but the system itself you need to put it in /etc i guess
[06:24] <flint> I will play with this in the flint linux candy lab.... thanks!
[06:24] <flint> where is that little scamp ogra?
[06:24] <spacey> i hope he is enjoying the weekend
[06:24] <flint> he has had pleanty of time to get a cigarette....
[06:24] <spacey> working 7 days a week would be pretty bad for him
[06:25] <flint> seriously thanks for the lead.  I will try to put something on  the wiki....
[06:25] <flint> indeed... and I actually agree completely.  thanks agaoin.. sksk
[07:31] <highvoltage> *yawn*
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone know if my default Edubuntu has a TFTP server built in?
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> I need to have communication for file transfer to flash some firmware into one of my networked devices
[08:52] <iGotNoTime> nevermind found it, Synaptic is the coolest thing in this distro!
[08:54] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: yes, it has one built it
[08:54] <highvoltage> synaptic++
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> is it running by default?
[08:54] <highvoltage> it's required for LTSP
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> I don't see it in processes
[08:54] <highvoltage> if your ltsp is running, then tftp is running too
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> how do i start the server?
[08:55] <highvoltage> tftpd runs out of inetd
[08:55] <highvoltage> check that it's enabled in /etc/inetd.conf
[08:55] <highvoltage> and that inetd is started
[08:55] <highvoltage> /etc/init.d/inetd start
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> yes thank you
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> that was wwhat i was looking for :)
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> very slow in here today ;)
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> I needed to get some movement :D
[08:56] <highvoltage> sorry, i've been in and out :/
[08:57] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[08:58] <iGotNoTime> from my inedt.conf :
[08:58] <iGotNoTime> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> that means it is ready to run correct?
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> all I then need to do is start inetd via terminal?
[08:59] <highvoltage> yes, although, inetd isn't really meant for a standard ftp server
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> it is only for 5 minutes use :)
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> I am stopping service after done
[09:00] <highvoltage> tftp is different from ftp in that it only sends the file to the other side, without checking that it gets there
[09:00] <iGotNoTime> I am using to flash some files into a SIP adapter :)
[09:00] <highvoltage> many clients won't work with it
[09:00] <iGotNoTime> the device has lights signaling when completed
[09:00] <highvoltage> i don't know if that would work :/
[09:00] <highvoltage> but i won't stop you from trying :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> how do I find out what the server IP would be?
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> just my local for edubuntu?
[09:01] <highvoltage> yep
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> k :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> be back in a bit with the prognosis :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> thx
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> ohhh one more thing
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> what is the default root directory for the service?
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> where do I place this .bin file?
[09:03] <highvoltage> /var/lib/tftpboot
[09:03] <highvoltage> not sure if tftp even listens on a standard port :/
[09:03] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[09:03] <iGotNoTime> will find out :)
[09:58] <iGotNoTime> :)
[09:59] <iGotNoTime> the screen savers are gnome products correct?
[11:31] <enyc> erm
[11:32] <enyc> how doesw pprintign work with all the thin-clients on ltsp??
[11:32] <enyc> do they have their won cupsys locally as-per the 'boot image' when boot-over-network?
[11:32] <enyc> or...
[11:32] <enyc> use remote ip:631 cupsys somehow?
[12:02] <GR8WENT> do I have to create an lts.conf?
[12:03] <GR8WENT> I don't see one in /opt/ltsp/etc


[11:07] <mysticTot> Is it possible to prevent fork bomb by using kernel configuration option CONFIG_CGROUP_PIDS=y i.e,  PIDs controller
[11:08] <mysticTot> ??
[11:21] <stgraber> yes, you can limit the effect of a fork bomb with the pids cgroup
[11:28] <mysticTot> thanks
[11:28] <mysticTot> stgraber
[11:29] <mysticTot> I'm hoping fork bomb would not hang my system now