[00:01] <amandaparker> I know.  The guy that owns this is used to Unity so that's what I grabbed.  If this gives me too much more grief though I'll grab another I guess...
[00:02] <niel123> yea use xubuntu
[00:02] <niel123> its derpy
[00:09] <bekks> amandaparker: Just install xubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <bekks> amandaparker: Thats the package name.
[00:51] <amandaparker> bekks: I did that, rebooted, then thought "Oh, I'll get rid of Unity" and bleah...  Starting over now with a Xubuntu livecd.  I grabbed 13.10 by mistake.  Anything I should know that's weird?  I'm used to 12.04
[01:00] <blacklist> hello
[01:01] <blacklist> this is my problem whit xubuntu 13.10
[01:01] <blacklist> W: Impossibile recuperare gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages  Somma hash non corrispondente
[02:17] <amandaparker> I also just had an almost heart attack when everything was in Spanish...  Cat must have arrowed down at the initial "Try or install" page.  False alarm though
[03:44] <xubuntu182> Hi!
[03:44] <xubuntu182> can I get help not this channel for the version 12?
[03:45] <ObrienDave> what do you need to know?
[03:45] <Unit193> swx: Howdy.  12.10?
[03:45] <Unit193> .04?
[03:45] <swx> xtgms is missing on boot after a fresh install
[03:45] <swx> the LTS
[03:46] <swx> ever seen this error ?
[03:46] <ObrienDave> that would be 12.04
[03:46] <swx> yes 04
[03:47] <ObrienDave> I have no clue what xtgms is or does
[03:48] <swx> google either :P
[03:48] <Unit193> !info xtgms
[03:48] <swx> weird
[03:48] <Unit193> !find xtgms precise
[03:49] <Unit193> I have no idea, and neither does ubottu. :P
[03:49] <swx> tryin to reinstall.. well see if it work it out ;)
[03:49] <swx> thx
[03:49] <ObrienDave> that would be my best guess
[06:21] <xubuntu748> Hello I have got two regressions in 13.10
[06:21] <xubuntu748> anybody there?
[06:22] <ObrienDave> sorta, kinda, but not quite
[06:22] <xubuntu748> anyway, installed xubuntu from miniCD on Acer Travelmate 650
[06:23] <xubuntu748> previous xubuntu worked fine
[06:23] <xubuntu748> now plymouth splash seems to be in the wrong color dept and both the DLink USB wireless adapters don't work
[06:24] <xubuntu748> connection established but it hangs after few bytes transferred
[06:25] <ObrienDave> I had the hang problem last night. needed to reboot the DSL modem a few times
[06:25] <xubuntu748> both worked fine on previous version
[06:26] <xubuntu748> if I plug the adapter off and on the connection starts again but then hangs, I cannot even complete the apt-get update
[06:28] <ObrienDave> that kind of connection is your ISP? DSL? FiOS?
[06:30] <xubuntu748> I  have a wireless local network made with an ADSL modem/router
[06:31] <xubuntu748> this old laptop needs an external USB adapter
[06:31] <ObrienDave> have you rebooted the DSL modem lately?
[06:31] <xubuntu748> I have got two DLink adapters
[06:31] <xubuntu748> yes
[06:31] <xubuntu748> i rebooted the router twice
[06:31] <xubuntu748> no effect
[06:32] <ObrienDave> see if Dlink has updated drivers for 13.10 I kind of doubt it, but worth a check
[06:32] <xubuntu748> when i plug off and in the adapters the connection is established but only few bytes are transferred
[06:32] <xubuntu748> updated drivers for both adapters? they are different and both don't work
[06:33] <xubuntu748> it doesn't look much probable that both drivers are broken
[06:35] <xubuntu748> I am not expert but looks like something else
[06:35] <vrkalak> i'm download new 'stable' 3.12 kernel ...
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: whats the issue?
[06:36] <ObrienDave> xubuntu748> now plymouth splash seems to be in the wrong color dept and both the DLink USB wireless adapters don't work
[06:36] <ObrienDave> brb
[06:36] <xubuntu748> if you are asking me, two regressions, plymouth splash wrong color dept and two dlink adapters not working
[06:37] <xubuntu748> dwl-g132 and dwl-g122
[06:38] <xubuntu748> they use two different drivers
[06:38] <xubuntu748> the drivers are apparently fine since the connection is established
[06:39] <xubuntu748> but then nothing passes on the connection, just few bytes right after establishing
[06:42] <ObrienDave> sounds to me like an ISP issue
[06:42] <xubuntu748> nope
[06:42] <xubuntu748> I am using the same PC with the same adapter right now on Windows XP
[06:42] <xubuntu748> and it worked with previous Xubuntu
[06:43] <ObrienDave> hmm, no clue. sorry
[06:43] <xubuntu748> I cannot contact the router from the PC on new xubuntu install
[06:43] <xubuntu748> it means the issue is in between
[06:53] <xubuntu748> It is difficult to accept that moving from a version to the following one you can get such bad regressions, I coild live with the wrong plymouth but the wireless connection is a no-go
[06:55] <ObrienDave> try reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675764
[06:59] <xubuntu748> doens't apply to my case for two reasons, previous xubuntu just worked fine with both adapters and on 13.10 the adapter is properly recognized, the drivers are correct and the connection is established
[07:00] <xubuntu748> I log in, get the local IP address
[07:00] <xubuntu748> some data is transferred, like I can browse a site
[07:00] <xubuntu748> then the connection dies
[07:00] <xubuntu748> and stays dead unless I plug off and back in
[07:01] <xubuntu748> i say it again using two diffrent adapters with two different drivers
[07:01] <ObrienDave> hmm, I have the same USB connection issue with my mouse. keeps shutting off
[07:02] <ObrienDave> maybe it's an USB issue
[07:02] <xubuntu748> maybe
[07:02] <xubuntu748> I don't see any error then
[07:02] <xubuntu748> i also have an usb mouse and it seems to work
[07:07] <ObrienDave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink
[07:07] <ObrienDave> bottom of page
[07:11] <xubuntu748> That comes from years ago when you had to use ndoswrapper
[07:11] <xubuntu748> ndiswrapper
[07:11] <xubuntu748> it would be ironical to upgrade Xubuntu then revert to ndiswrapper
[07:12] <xubuntu748> when the previous xubuntu did not have any problem with native drivers
[07:13] <xubuntu748> I tought to stay with 13.04 but then there is the "rapid release cycle" so after some months it isn't supported any more
[07:13] <ObrienDave> was think more of this: Works on 10.10 and 11.04 with rt2870sta (might need rt2800usb blacklisted). (Device id is 07d1:3c0f, see lsusb)
[07:14] <xubuntu748> I looked at all that documentation years ago
[07:14] <xubuntu748> stopped when the native support for the adapters was implemented
[07:14] <xubuntu748> last Xubuntu was totally plug and play
[07:15] <xubuntu748> no need to fight with drivers
[07:22] <xubuntu748> I don't think it makes sense to look ad years old documentation that is basically obsolete.
[07:23] <xubuntu748> If a device was working fine with 13.04 it is expected to work fine with 13.10
[07:23] <xubuntu748> then it is a regression somewhere
[07:30] <xubuntu748> I wanted to submit a bug report but I cannot use the bug tracker tool
[07:36] <baizon> xubuntu748: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[07:46] <xubuntu748> Yeah right, science fiction guys
[07:46] <xubuntu748> "Before filing any hardware related reports on Launchpad, please update your BIOS, and hardware firmware (CF card readers, SSDs, USB 3.0 controllers, DVD/CD drives, etc.) to the newest available from your vendor. "
[07:48] <xubuntu748> That means "you cannot report any hardware related bug"
[07:49] <xubuntu748> besides, I say it again, I did not have any issue with pervious Xubuntu, It doesn't make much sense to ask me to update firmware because latest version has got regressions
[07:50] <xubuntu748> Because then new bugs could be introduced just because the new firmware
[07:52] <xubuntu748> USB DLink wireless adapter DWL-G122 and DWL-132 worked fine with 13.04 and don't work with 13.10, no visible error, correct drivers loaded, connection established but hangs
[08:19] <rydhwan> hi
[08:20] <rydhwan> my pc p4 card openchrome
[08:21] <koegs> what?
[08:21] <rydhwan> xubuntu installed but after boot screen dark
[08:21] <rydhwan> nothink
[08:22] <rydhwan> no tty
[08:23] <rydhwan> in live usb screen dark
[08:24] <rydhwan> but in install i see installer ?
[08:24] <rydhwan> ?????
[08:25] <rydhwan> xubuntu 13.04 ok fine
[08:27] <rydhwan> how install pilote of openchrome ?
[08:28] <rydhwan> SOS
[08:29] <rydhwan> chroot ?
[08:43] <rydhwan> how install drivers of openchrome ?
[08:45] <roninn> isn't linux unsafe
[08:45] <roninn> user x edits the file /tmp/test and user y starts to edit the file /tmp/test at the same time, user x does some edits while the user y already opened the file for edit. then user x edits the file and right after the user y edits the file. so user x loses his changes.
[08:48] <nlsthzn> roninn, that isn't how it works
[08:49] <roninn> hm?
[08:49] <roninn> why not
[08:49] <roninn> well there can be vim locks, but if vim is not used for example
[08:51] <nlsthzn> sorry I was thinking of something like people editing source code going into a linux distro and not files on someone's computer being access by multiple users on the same system... I am not sure how the system handles that as I am king of my system and nobody touches my files :p
[08:51] <ObrienDave> it's good to be the king ;)
[08:52] <nlsthzn> and my wife gave me permission to say I am king too
[08:53] <ObrienDave> I ALWAYS get the last word. "Yes DEAR"
[08:53] <nlsthzn> :D
[08:53] <roninn> my wife only has access to /var/www and /home/herhome
[08:56] <Unit193> I don't see how that is 'unsafe', or exclusivly a linux problem.  Most text editors, or good ones at least, will warn you it's been modified since you opened it.
[08:57]  * nlsthzn trusts nano would know
[08:58]  * nlsthzn sees this is not #ubuntu-offtopic and retreats
[09:04] <roninn> Unit193, do you know which ones (cli)
[09:04] <roninn> im interested
[09:05] <Unit193> Nope, why would I?  Just that vim and nano do.
[09:06] <nlsthzn> if it wasn'
[09:06] <nlsthzn> if it wasn' for nano I would never edit in cli
[09:47] <cfhowlett> !hibernate
[09:52] <nlsthzn> ok... zzzzz
[09:58] <bingo> hello. how much a difference in resource usage is there between Xubuntu and XFCE?
[09:58] <bingo> thanks
[09:59] <bingo> i guess what I am trying to ask is, which will my game run better on
[09:59] <nlsthzn> xfce is the desktop environment used by xubuntu...
[09:59] <cfhowlett> bingo,  xfce4 is the windows manager for xubuntu.  question makes no sense
[09:59] <bingo> ahh i see
[10:00] <bingo> but xubuntu is faster than regular ubuntu?
[10:00] <nlsthzn> ah ok windows manager, sorry
[10:00] <bingo> okay ill stick with xuduntu then, its nicer looking than xfce
[10:00] <nlsthzn> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[10:00] <ObrienDave> oh my
[10:01] <bingo> im a noob, i just use linux cuse i get better fps
[10:01] <bingo> :x
[10:01] <cfhowlett> bingo, yes xubuntu is generally faster than ubuntu since no unity to eat up the GPU cycles
[10:01] <bingo> ty, i notice it :)
[10:02] <bingo> there used to be a program i could install from softwre enter, it let me edit the duel boot order. does it exist anymore?
[10:03] <bingo> like a GUI made it easy to understand
[10:09] <ObrienDave> yes, it's called grub-customizer. might have to add the PPA for it
[10:14] <bingo> hi again. Would someone please tell me how to remove the XFCE? I only want to see Ubuntu and Xubuntu when i login
[10:15] <cfhowlett> bingo, sudo apt-get purge xfce
[10:15] <bingo> ty
[10:15] <bingo> same for ubuntu 2d?
[10:16] <bingo> unable to locate package
[10:16] <cfhowlett> bingo, I don't know.  sorry.  but no need to kill those.  they take up trivial space
[10:16] <bingo> ok
[10:16] <nlsthzn> if you purge xfce then xubuntu as an option won't be available anymore
[10:16] <bingo> oh snap
[10:16] <cfhowlett> bingo, if you remove xfce4 you will NOT have xubuntu
[10:16] <bingo> i won then, ty
[10:17] <bingo> ill just leave it then, getting so picky causes problems
[10:17] <bingo> xubuntu is sharp looing
[10:17] <nlsthzn> the xfce option is the same as xubuntu without the theme and other things making it look nicer :)
[10:17] <nlsthzn> basically the same thing
[10:17] <bingo> any other nice themes that low on resources?
[10:17] <bingo> and easy for noob to get
[10:18] <nlsthzn> all themes you use with xfce/xubuntu will take the same resources...
[10:18] <nlsthzn> it is only when you install totally different interfaces like unity etc. that resource usage will change
[10:18] <bingo> whats the best way to devote as much resources to th game  play?
[10:18] <bingo> figured it was xubuntu
[10:19] <nlsthzn> not much more DE wise you can do, if you go lighter you will save some RAM but not enough IMO
[10:19] <bingo> rgr, ill leave it
[10:19] <bingo> disk image time
[10:19] <nlsthzn> I am also on xubuntu now and I also use this system mainly for gamiing
[10:20] <bingo> i was kinda blown away by how much better it is than windows
[10:20] <bingo> like 20 fps higher on average any situation
[10:20] <nlsthzn> wow, what are you playing?
[10:20] <bingo> Second Life
[10:20] <bingo> nto a game i know
[10:20] <knome> !offtopic | bingo, nlsthzn
[10:20] <bingo> but i dont have a fist haha
[10:21] <nlsthzn> sorry knome
[10:21] <bingo> sorry masa
[10:22] <bingo> was finally able to boot using 319 nvidia drivers
[10:22] <bingo> just had to purge the old 304's but never knew
[10:22] <bingo> took me three clean installs to learn that lesson
[10:23] <bingo> and a google search
[10:24] <bingo> are there any cool terminals? like ones with a DOOM theme et..
[10:24] <cfhowlett> bingo, additional ram migth be worth a look
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !quake
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !guake
[10:24] <Sysi> !info guake
[10:24] <bingo> ya i tried quake but i didnt find the theme
[10:24] <bingo> it was just gray
[10:25] <cfhowlett> !cookie|Sysi,
[10:25] <bingo> ill try again i suppose, everyone says get guake
[10:25] <bingo> sudi apt-get install guake?
[10:25] <bingo> sudo*
[10:25] <cfhowlett> yep
[10:25] <Myrtti> tilda is another
[10:26] <Sysi> guake offers just special functionality though, not special theming AFAIK
[10:26] <bingo> then it wont help i just want a cool looking terminal
[10:26] <Myrtti> I prefer terminator but it's not a dropdown like tilda/guake are
[10:26] <Sysi> terminal colors are trivial to set in xfce4-terminal
[10:27] <Myrtti> functionality > cool looking
[10:27] <bingo> ill take terminator, where?
[10:27] <bingo> guake i didnt see any theme
[10:27] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install terminator
[10:27] <bingo> ty
[10:27] <Myrtti> themes you have to build yourself
[10:28] <Myrtti> in most cases
[10:28] <bingo> where is tha on difficulty level for noob?
[10:28] <Myrtti> on terminator it's right click - Preferences
[10:29] <bingo> ty
[11:31] <xubuntu901> Anybody aware of regressions with Wireless adapters?
[13:31] <GridCube> i'm having an issue with the weather addon http://i.imgur.com/so3Mg5G.png for some reason it shows the temperature twice, once in the front in the choosen font and color, and once in the background in some grey color
[13:32] <GridCube> its like the shadow of the numbers
[13:34] <GridCube> the same happens if i add a different things to the applet
[13:44] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1248962
[14:27] <Junka> who updates the ubuntu repos?
[14:27] <bekks> Junka: the repo maintainers.
[14:28] <Junka> these are people from canonical?
[14:34] <ObrienDave> maybe yes and maybe no
[14:37] <Junka> omg *buntu is not safe after all
[14:37] <Myrtti> oh, and why is that?
[14:38] <Junka> anonimous people update my software
[14:38] <Myrtti> hardly anonymous
[14:39]  * phunyguy nudges Junka in the direction of Launchpad
[14:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, anonymous people
[14:42] <Junka> is it safe for ufw to be disabled by default?
[14:43] <phunyguy> define "safe"
[14:43] <phunyguy> and what does this have to do with Xubuntu?
[14:44] <Junka> xubuntu uses ufw is it not?
[14:44] <Junka> then it's xubuntu's problem
[14:44] <Pici> Junka: sure. Theres nothing listening publically on any port by default anyway.
[14:44] <phunyguy> I am not sure Xubuntu does actually.... Maybe regular Ubuntu?
[14:46] <Junka> I believe all the *buntu line uses it
[14:46] <phunyguy> fair enough.
[14:48] <phunyguy> so if all of ubuntu uses it, how is it just Xubuntu's problem?
[14:48] <phunyguy> you just might be barking up the wrong tree here.
[14:49] <Junka> i use xubuntu so i'm on xubuntu's channels...
[14:49] <phunyguy> Junka: if you have an issue with design descisions, you can join #ubuntu-devel
[14:50] <Junka> sure
[15:39] <Haggard> Hey folks. I was trying to report a bug (weather app in 12.04) using the report a bug function. Doesn't work. Do I need to open a launchpad account to file a bug?
[15:39] <phunyguy> Pretty sure, yes
[15:40] <Haggard> Thx. Then that would be two bugs I need to file.  :)
[16:23] <dupin> just installed xfce4.10 on xubuntu 12.04 and now icons arenot on the right but at the centar
[16:24] <dupin> desktop switcher, action buttons...
[16:24] <dupin> how can I put them on the right of the panel
[16:25] <TheSheep> dupin: put a separator to the left of them and make it autoexpand
[16:27] <dupin> to easy and trivial tnx man  :)
[16:33] <gdos> using thunderbird, how can view root mail (i.e. local system mail) ?
[16:39] <TheSheep> gdos: I'm not sure thunderbird supports that, let me check
[16:40] <TheSheep> gdos: doesn't look like it does
[16:41] <TheSheep> gdos: so one way around that would be to setup an actual smtp server on your computer serving those e-mails, and configure thunerbird to use that
[17:32] <Harish> Hi
[17:32] <Harish> i have a question with xhost
[17:33] <Harish> xhost +name command does not save the user list after restart
[17:40] <TheSheep> what was the question?
[17:45] <xubuntu954> hey someone knows how much xubuntu live install take?
[17:45] <jax23> time?
[17:45] <holstein> xubuntu954: you mean, an installation from the xubuntu live installation media?
[17:45] <xubuntu954> yea
[17:45] <xubuntu954> time i mean 1 hour 2 hours
[17:45] <TheSheep> depends on a lot of things, not possible to tell up front
[17:45] <holstein> xubuntu954: depends on the machine.. usually takes me about 10 minuts
[17:45] <jax23> on my old pc 1 and 1/ hour
[17:45] <holstein> minutes*. it has taken close to or over an hour
[17:46] <jax23> 90 minutes
[17:46] <TheSheep> can be 2 hours on a slow computer from a cd
[17:46] <xubuntu954> yeah becouse i have it in a window but i there isnt any process bar
[17:47] <holstein> xubuntu954: wait as long as you possibly can.. then, consider starting over, and *not* accepting updates during the installation
[17:47] <xubuntu954> ok thanks
[18:04]  * genii sips his coffee
[18:04] <gdos> TheSheep: how hard would it be?
[18:05] <TheSheep> gdos: I have no idea, I never tried it
[18:05] <TheSheep> !smtp
[18:06] <gdos> TheSheep: thanks.
[18:07] <genii> jax23: First we should see that your phone is set up to allow access by USB. Please go to Options, Memory, and make sure that "Mass Storage Mode Support" is set to On, and that "Auto Enable Mass Storage Mode When Connected" is set to either Yes or Prompt
[18:08] <genii> jax23: Then click the Berry button on phone and select Save
[18:13] <jax23> genii, i can't turn on my phone because i get an error
[18:13] <jax23> error app 200
[18:14] <genii> jax23: Oh, that doesn't sound good!
[18:14] <jax23> :-(
[18:15] <jax23> i'm trying to do a backup to restore after factory settings of my B.B.
[18:15] <genii> jax23: Take off the back, pull the battery. Wait 10-15 seconds then put battery back and close it up. This should make it boot from cold
[18:15] <jax23> ok
[18:16] <jax23> it's starting
[18:16] <genii> It will take a while. Then it has to do the second stage after where it will load the desktop, etc
[18:17] <genii> ( assuming no boot errors)
[18:17] <genii> Work needs me, back in a few minutes
[18:21] <genii> jax23: Did it manage to boot all the way?
[18:24] <jax23> nothing, error app 200
[18:27] <genii> jax23: Sounds like a hardware issue.
[18:28] <jax23> ideas?
[18:28] <genii> jax23: http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Device-software/app-error-200/td-p/2609305
[18:28] <genii> Looks like it might be fixable
[18:29] <genii> jax23: Since it's no longer an issue where Xubuntu is involved, I suggest we head to ##blackberry channel, and see what can be done there.
[18:30] <jax23> ok
[18:32] <havenonearth> still trying to get internet to work properly with my clean install of ubuntu studio 13.10.  It connects, but ability to browse/download/stream breaks down after 5 minutes to 2 hours, even though it says it's still connected to wireless network. Disconnecting and reconnecting restores it, though sometimes I need to do it a couple of times for it to catch..  My Win7 dual-booted on the same laptop doesn't have these problems, a
[18:32] <havenonearth> nd neither do the other laptops in the house.  Problem only started after I updated from 12.10.  I'm up to date on upgrades/updates.  Have generally ruled out Mozilla as a problem as it affects non-Mozilla apps including xchat, though sometimes xchat works when Mozilla doesn't.
[18:32] <havenonearth> any thoughts?
[18:40] <bekks> havenonearth: Its affecting your wireless driver.
[18:40] <bekks> havenonearth: Which driver do you use?
[18:41] <havenonearth> I'm not sure--I'm not on my drivers in xubuntu.  How do I find out?
[18:41] <havenonearth> i'm not up on my drivers I meant to say.
[18:54] <lighta> hi guys, hey is it normal that ls -d doesn't list all directory but just the one given in arg ?
[18:56] <Rory> lighta: yes
[18:56] <lighta> oh ye ?
[18:56] <lighta> ls -d, is marked as broken ?
[18:57] <Rory> lighta: ls -d */
[18:58] <lighta> ah thx =)
[19:09] <nonuby> any reason when i start xubuntu it restores many of my previous apps/windows ive even added rm -fr /home/me/.cache/session to /etc/rc.local which doesnt seem to fix it
[20:11] <thequeers> hi
[21:02] <swx> Hi! What is the most stable version of xubuntu a this moment? I am working on the 12.04 and it is not
[21:03] <Junka> lol
[21:03] <Junka> what is unstable for you swx ?
[21:04] <swx> @Junka File manager not crashing when I move files from a drive to another ahah
[21:06] <Junka> wierd I cant recall something similar
[21:06] <Junka> have you tried the latest xubuntu 13.10?
[21:07] <GP-Mike> have sometimes the same problem.. especially when I connect to my nexus 4.. and I am using xubuntu 13.10
[21:07] <Junka> omg another one
[21:07] <Junka> :p
[21:08] <swx_> lol
[21:08] <GP-Mike> ^^
[21:08] <swx_> linux? stable? yes if u do anything :P
[21:08] <Junka> Then I can suggest to remove thunar and install pacmanfm
[21:08] <holstein> swx_: i would try removing the filemanger from teh equation. move the files in the command line and note the errors or messages
[21:09] <swx_> thx for the advice
[21:10] <swx_> miss the old fashion brown ubuntu version 8 Haha
[21:10] <holstein> swx_: ? ...use it if you like.. its still there, just not supported
[21:11] <Junka> not supported means no updates at all?
[21:11] <swx_> holstein: I know that but I need support ;)
[21:12] <Junka> bummer
[21:12] <holstein> swx_: you are free to support it. manually update what you want/ned
[21:14] <Junka> not cool
[21:14] <swx_> times missing.. I have a life out of linux :)
[21:15] <GP-Mike> that's blasphemy :P
[21:16] <Junka> ban&kick the heretic plz
[21:16] <swx_> ahah
[21:16] <holstein> !ot
[21:17] <swx_> holstein: maybe u should learn to take it easy man ;)
[21:17] <holstein> swx_: you can request that the maintainers of the channel do.. otherwise, i welcome your comments in the proper channel
[21:48] <havenonearth> did a clean install of ubuntu studio 13.10 about a week ago and am still trying work out problems with consistent internet connectivity.  I am able to connect to the wireless router and the Internet, but I lose the ability to browse and stream video after 5 minutes to 2 hours, even though I'm still shown as being connected to the network. I had no problems with it until I upgrade from 12.10. win7 dual-booted on my laptop has
[21:48] <havenonearth> no problems and neither do the other computers in the house. any thoughts for addressing this?
[21:49] <holstein> if it were me, i would troubleshoot the connection from live CD's
[21:49] <holstein> there is nothing about ubuntustudio that really addressing networking specifically in any way
[21:50] <holstein> i would use xubuntu or main ubuntu live CD's so that you can use the larger ubuntu community for support
[21:50] <holstein> i would try the hardware with a supported operating system (such as windows) to ensure that its functioning properly
[21:51] <holstein> havenonearth: i would look for other users of *any* linux using that same exact hardware and see if they experience issues or not
[21:51] <holstein> if 12.04 worked, i would just install and use it and not worry, but i dont specifically want or need networking with my studio production machine
[21:55] <havenonearth> so when you say troubleshooting from live CD's, do you mean testing a live CD of, say, xubuntu or ubuntu to see if I"m having the same problems?
[21:55] <Junka> is xfce 4.10 backported in 12.04?
[21:55] <holstein> havenonearth: correct.. removing the currently installed ubuntustudio from the equation completly
[21:58] <havenonearth> so if the live CD works with no issues, are you then suggesting I just replace ubuntu studio with either xubuntu or ubuntu?  I chose ubuntu studio because of its low latency kernel.  I'm a professional DJ and I've noticed a huge difference  with the quality (and lack of interruption) of music in ubuntu studio.
[21:58] <havenonearth> unless xubuntu has the same kernel?
[21:59] <holstein> havenonearth: ubuntustudio and xubuntu *are* ubuntu. im saying, if you use main ubuntu's live CD, you will have no issues using the main ubuntu support avenues
[21:59] <holstein> havenonearth: i feel like you have been having this issue for a while now, and realistically, it could be this simple.. support for your device is broken in more recent kernels
[22:00] <holstein> havenonearth: running main ubuntu, or xubuntu live will remove the *lowlatency kernel from the equation,and allow you to more appropriately communicate with a larger community about the issue
[22:02] <Junka> God, is a DJ.
[22:02] <holstein> Junka: please use the OT channel.. thanks
[22:07] <havenonearth> I appreciate your observation of the fact that I've been dealing with this for a while.  Because of that, I want to get this right.  So, I can test something without the low latency kernel to see if the issue is with the kernel itself.  If the live CD doesn't produce any improvements, then I can rule out the updated low latency kernel as being the issue.  if the live CD does show an improvement, then I would need to choose be
[22:07] <havenonearth> tween reliable internet access and holding on to the low latency kernel.  am I reading this correctly?  I know these are all ubuntu and have used all three before.
[22:08] <havenonearth> by testing something I mean ubuntu or xubuntu 13.10
[22:08] <holstein> havenonearth: you can just install the generic kernel, if you feel that the lowlatency one is the issue.. you can choose them at boot time like dual booting
[22:08] <Unit193> !info linux-generic
[22:08] <holstein> havenonearth: when ubuntustudio shipped an RT kernel, i used to dual boot them, since the RT one didnt support a few wifi cards i had (assuming i needed/wanted networking)
[22:09] <holstein> but, the lowlatency one is likely not the issue.. though, it wont hurt to test.
[22:11] <havenonearth> definitely makes sense to test it.  so if the kernel is the issue, I could then dual-boot between ubuntu studio and, say, xubuntu.  (which would actually be a triple boot since I already dual boot with Win7).
[22:12] <havenonearth> one other observation.  ubuntu studio gives me the choice right now between xfce and ubuntu studio.  do they still use this same kernel in this version?
[22:12] <Unit193> The kernel is picked at the grub prompt, not lightdm.  LightDM can't change the kernel at all.
[22:12] <havenonearth> gotcha.  that makes sense.
[22:13] <Unit193> There is a file in /etc/grub.d/ that makes lowlat kernels first choice though.
[22:13] <havenonearth> the grub prompt is the very first prompt that, among other things, lets me choose between win07 and ubuntu studio?
[22:13] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:14] <havenonearth> gotcha.  that's helpful.  okay I'll give that a try and see if that makes a difference.  Thanks!
[22:14] <Unit193> You can pick "Other options for Ubuntu Studio" to see what kernel, or patch /etc/grub.d/10_linux to see them on the main screen.
[22:17] <havenonearth> while I'm at it, too--I was on before and somebody thought it might be a driver issue and asked what driver I was using. I didn't know and didn't know how to check.  would that be a worthwhile path of inquiry too?  and if so, how would I look into it?
[22:18] <holstein> havenonearth: you can find that out with the network manager.. right click, connection information, driver is listed
[22:18] <havenonearth> okay, the driver is wl
[22:19] <Unit193> lspci -v | grep net -A9  and look at the driver, or inxi -n
[22:19] <Unit193> (Or, that, the easy way.)
[22:19] <holstein> havenonearth: so, you can blacklist the wl driver and try the other broadcom driver that you likely used in 12.10
[22:19] <holstein> !broadcom
[22:19] <holstein> havenonearth: those are notoriously problematic
[22:19] <havenonearth> the wl drivers?
[22:20] <holstein> havenonearth: no.. those broadcom devices
[22:21] <holstein> havenonearth: run "lspci" and output that to pastebin please
[22:21] <havenonearth> okay, let me try that, hold on a sec.  what's the url for pastebin again?
[22:21] <holstein> !paste
[22:22] <blacklist> holstein,  ism using 13.10
[22:23] <Unit193> lspci | pastebinit   and paste the url.
[22:24] <holstein> blacklist: maybe i pinged you by accident, actually suggesting the action of blacklisting
[22:26] <havenonearth> okay, the URL is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6378830/
[22:28] <holstein> havenonearth: thats the chip i had. it was so problematic i ended up switching it out.. let me get you a link you can try
[22:28] <holstein> havenonearth: let me tell you what i think is going on here.. in 12.10, the wifi *didnt* work out of the box. you got a popup, and added the proprietary broadcom driver
[22:29] <holstein> havenonearth: now, in 13.10, you are using the opensource one.. with that driver, i had the same experience you are reporting
[22:29] <holstein> havenonearth: i would not do *anything* besides try the proprietary driver.. let broadcom know you are having an issue with the device, and consider just switching it out, or getting an external device that is more supported
[22:30] <holstein> havenonearth: these days, hardware is just too reasonbly priced to sit around for weeks with things not working.. this the the site i referenced which has a device with the *same* wifi chip as you have
[22:31] <holstein> https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[22:32] <havenonearth> yep that's my laptop.  is it easy to switch out the chip? I am already using an external sound card because of the jack wearing out.
[22:32] <holstein> havenonearth: specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/6378883/
[22:32] <holstein> havenonearth: it was easy for me to switch the chip. i had another laying around, and i have taking these machines apart before
[22:33] <holstein> havenonearth: i would just get a supported USB device and plug it in, and enjoy
[22:34] <havenonearth> that might make sense.  how much do they usually run?
[22:35] <holstein> havenonearth: depends.. i literally have a box of them i havent paid anything for.. i see them for around $5 or $100 US
[22:35] <holstein> 5 to 100*
[22:36] <holstein> havenonearth: try the proprietary driver though.. i didnt try it in 13.10
[22:36] <holstein> it'll work "better" id say
[22:37] <havenonearth> and that's using the method via the google site link you sent me?
[22:37] <holstein> havenonearth: the site i linked, and the broadcom link i had the bot give, or the specific information i picked from the link and put in the pastebin.. and now you know exactly what the issue is
[22:38] <havenonearth> that's great.  Thanks so much! Identifying it is at least half the battle if not more.
[22:39] <holstein> havenonearth: i had read that link before i bought the machine, so, i knew going in, i might change the wifi chip
[22:41] <havenonearth> it's been a good machine in every other way--was thinking my next laptop should be an asus, too.  i'll probably get one optimized for ubuntu.  eventually I'll need a separate laptop for DJing.
[22:42] <holstein> havenonearth: they dont make them "optimized for ubuntu".. if you want that, you get a system76 machine which is not optimized in any way... it just literally ships with ubuntu, and has support for linux
[22:43] <holstein> havenonearth: you really dont need a seperate machine for dj'ing, id say.. nothing about ubuntustudio is specific to DJing, or running on a netbok
[22:43] <havenonearth> I know, it's just more a question of convenience and storage.
[22:44] <holstein> i use netbooks for a lot of "appliance" types of audio tasks. i have 8 or 10 of them around.. mostly asus
[22:44] <holstein> you dont need ubuntustudio to use the few apps you'll need that happen to be in ubuntustudio
[22:45] <havenonearth> is it the apps or low latency that distinguishes ubuntu studio?  a lot of those apps, of course, I don't use, though that may change.
[22:45] <holstein> havenonearth: its the default setup.. otherwise, the sources are the same
[22:46] <holstein> havenonearth: running those apps wont happen on a netbook.. not in any useable way.. it would be similar to trying to do video editing on a netbook.. i do a lot of field work on netbooks, but i come back to a main machine to edit audio
[22:47] <havenonearth> well, that's worth keeping in mind, too, since I do some audio editing at times.
[22:47] <havenonearth> okay, thanks once again--I appreciate the help!
[22:51] <xubuntu874> hi
[23:38] <acmeinc1> i'm having an issue where the 'top' command will crash my desktop.  Its hard to find a bug report since 'top' is a very ambiguous search term.  do any of the regulars here recall any issues with 'top' whcih has come up?
[23:39] <holstein> try top in tty acmeinc1
[23:41] <acmeinc1> i believe I have and it works.  I guess its not crashing "all" of the time either.  But sometimes.  I hvae a monitoring script that runs every 5 minutes which included 'top' snapshots.  I since dislabed that.  But when I ran top manually a few times, it has crashed.  But it was not crashing every 5 minutes.  Its intermittent for sure.
[23:41] <holstein> acmeinc1: what error messages?
[23:41] <acmeinc1> none
[23:42] <acmeinc1> i tailed the messages/syslog/kern logs in another tty to be sure.  It just drops to the login screen.
[23:42] <acmeinc1> if you have a log i should check, i'm all ears
[23:42] <Unit193> The command `dmesg` and the log in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[23:43] <acmeinc1> dmesg showed nothing...i'll take not of the xfce log\
[23:43] <acmeinc1> ...that log doesnt exist
[23:44] <Unit193> Erm, I just assumed 13.10.
[23:44] <acmeinc1> LTS
[23:50] <Unit193> Sooo, lightdm has a log as does X, sounds like something may be killing X (since it bounces back to login.)


 https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/noble/armhf
 think I need to ping ricotz about that uicheck-sc test once people are properly back from holidays
 having to spam the infra many times on armhf to make it pass, on a run that often takes nearly 12 hrs each, is a bit much


[01:53] <hazmat> sidnei, its missing some of the waits for units running stuff, but the python-env branch of the new deployer is working against pyjuju
[01:55]  * sidnei gives it a shot
[02:07] <hazmat> sidnei, pushed some fixes for terminate
[02:07] <hazmat> er reset
[02:07] <sidnei> hazmat: ok, not using that on the pyjuju one yet, still doing nova delete
[02:09] <sidnei> hazmat: seems like it worked, except for the waits :)
[02:10] <hazmat> sidnei, nice
[02:10] <sidnei> hazmat: https://pastebin.canonical.com/91208/
[02:11] <hazmat> time for bed then :-)
[02:13] <sidnei> cheers
[12:58] <jcastro> marcoceppi: so I did a talk on juju @ a lug last night
[12:58] <jcastro> and the drupal6 charm is broken
[12:58] <jcastro> should I file a bug to unpromulgate?
[12:58] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'd at least file a bug
[12:59] <marcoceppi> I'm a little unclear as to the unpromulgate process, does it just happen whenever or does it have to go through orphaned process, etc
[12:59] <jcastro> no clue
[13:00] <marcoceppi> Plus, if we unpromulgate it, where to we keep the charm for historical reasons? ~charmers/ will likely cause some oddites with ingestion in the GUI
[13:01] <jcastro> well in any case
[13:01] <jcastro> this would make a good test case to see what happens
[13:01]  * marcoceppi nods
[13:01] <jcastro> can we kick it back to brandon's namespace?
[13:01] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I can't, no one but brandon has access to that namespace
[13:01] <marcoceppi> BUT
[13:02] <marcoceppi> it looks like he has a copy in his personal branch already so that would "just happen"
[13:02] <marcoceppi> First audit casualty?
[13:06] <jcastro> yeah
[13:07] <jcastro> audit by failing a demo
[13:08] <jcastro> marcoceppi: I am publishing the new calendar now
[13:08] <jcastro> for reviews
[13:09] <hazmat> hmm. that was known broken..
[13:09] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ttrss looks like it's ready for round 2
[13:09] <hazmat> i ended up pushing a drupal7 one to my ns
[13:09] <hazmat> when i was doing a demo.
[13:10] <marcoceppi> hazmat: yeah, I think it's been general knowledge that it's broken. Just not sure what to do about it until the recent audit sessions
[13:10] <jcastro> no more mr nice guy
[13:10] <jcastro> it doesn't work ---> see ya!
[13:10] <hazmat> agreed
[13:11]  * marcoceppi warms up the unpromulgater
[13:11] <jcastro> if anyone has any cycles today for the review queue, that would be <3
[13:13] <jcastro> marcoceppi: hey so so far Andreas has been asking for more charm-writing content in the charm school
[13:13] <jcastro> want to concentrate on that this afternoon?
[13:13] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sure
[13:16] <jcastro> I sent you instructions for running the ubuntuonair thing
[13:16] <jcastro> since it'll be you and mims today
[13:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: oh yeahh
[13:18] <marcoceppi> thanks
[13:33] <freeflyi1g> does juju go version only support constraints like arch, cpu-cores and mem?
[13:34] <mgz> freeflyi1g: yes, for now
[13:35] <freeflyi1g> mgz: thx
[13:35] <mgz> feedback welcome about what you want most
[13:36] <freeflyi1g> mgz: in python version, maas-name is very useful :)
[13:52] <wedgwood> hazmat: is there anyway to fix a machine agent showing "down"? I've ssh'd into the unit and restarted it, but the status is the same.
[13:53] <wedgwood> (besides redeploying)
[14:06] <sidnei> jcastro: are you guys going to be at velocity?
[14:15] <jcastro> No, we got declined
[14:19] <hazmat> wedgwood, could you pastebin the machine agent log
[14:19] <wedgwood> hazmat: it's looking like a zookeeper problem
[14:20] <hazmat> wedgwood, restarting the machine agent should resolve that
[14:20] <hazmat> wedgwood, connectivity?
[14:20] <wedgwood> hazmat: well, the zookeeper keeps dying
[14:20] <hazmat> wedgwood, g+?
[14:21] <wedgwood> hazmat: sure
[14:21] <hazmat> i landed some fixes to do better back off on retry, but its only in the ppa as of two days ago.
[14:21]  * hazmat refills on coffee
[14:51] <jcastro> ahasenack: hey do you have any specific things you'd like covered in the charm school? Or just general charm authorship stuff?
[14:53] <ahasenack> jcastro: hm
[14:54] <ahasenack> jcastro: "best practices" for interface creation I guess, and simple examples of set and get relations, with emphasis on the fact that relations might not be established yet so it should noop
[14:57] <ahasenack> jcastro: or maybe for this first one just explain the hooks
[15:28] <gnuoy> jamespage, does java set the default maxheap size based on the ram of the system it's running on or is it set when the jre is compiled?
[15:37] <jamespage> gnuoy, its never clever - there is a jre default and then whatever the application specificies
[15:37] <jamespage> cassandra does some auto-sizing
[15:37] <jamespage> others don't
[15:37] <gnuoy> jamespage, lovely, thanks
[15:38] <marcoceppi> I was poking around the help for juju-core 1.10, what version (if any) can you specify an alternate .juju/environments.yaml (or different .juju "home")? I couldn't find it any of the help topics for juju-core
[15:52] <sidnei> marcoceppi: JUJU_HOME iirc
[15:52] <marcoceppi> sidnei: yup, thanks!
[16:30] <avoine> is there a snippet somewhere on how to do a wait loop for apt-get in case an other charm is installing?
[16:31]  * avoine think every charm should use that
[16:31] <mattgriffin> it's like 2:30 in the morning and you're working on charms?
[16:31] <avoine> here it's noon
[16:32] <mattgriffin> oops… wrong channel :)
[16:32] <mattgriffin> avoine: :)
[16:32] <marcoceppi> avoine: There is talk of using aptdaemon to resolve this problem. Not sure if there are any snippets though
[16:33] <avoine> ok
[16:33] <avoine> I'll check it
[16:35] <marcoceppi> s/is/was/
[16:35] <jamespage> avoine, marcoceppi: so the latest python juju (and I believe juju-core) only allows serial hook execution in the same container
[16:35] <marcoceppi> That might actually not be the right package, but there's supposedly a way to queue packages for installation so you don't collide with apt-get in parent
[16:36] <jamespage> thus avoiding a principle and subordinate charm trying todo conflicting operations at the same time
[16:36] <marcoceppi> jamespage: that's super helpful to know
[16:37] <jamespage> marcoceppi, hazmat fixed that for us during the HA work on OpenStack as we hit that issue *alot*
[16:37] <jamespage> (around January I think)
[16:37] <marcoceppi> excellent. I should write more subordinate charms
[16:43] <hazmat> that also made it into juju core (trunk atm afaicr)
[16:45] <marcoceppi> hazmat: any idea when the ppa will be updated with a more recenty juju-core release?
[16:46] <hazmat> marcoceppi, when there's a new release
[16:46] <hazmat> marcoceppi, there are several ppas associated to juju-core
[16:46] <marcoceppi> I thought core was up to 1.14 or something (where 1.10 is currently in the ppa)
[16:46] <hazmat> 1.11
[16:46] <hazmat> is trunk
[16:47] <hazmat> mramm2, when's the next core release?
[16:47] <mramm2> I think next friday
[16:48] <mramm2> would have been this friday but Dave is traveling
[16:48] <mramm2> I also think we should move to earlier in the week in case there is something serious that requires a followup release -- don't want to have to do that over the weekend!
[17:02] <marcoceppi> For those waiting for the Ubuntu On Air, we'll be starting in a few mins
[17:09] <marcoceppi> The Ubuntu on air page isn't quite working for us, so you can follow along here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRcqSjOGweo&feature=youtu.be
[17:12] <marcoceppi> If you have any questions please feel free to ping me with your questions!
[17:55] <marcoceppi> Questions?
[17:56] <paraglade> marcoceppi: how about talking a bit about implicit relations
[17:57] <paraglade> and scope
[17:58] <marcoceppi> paraglade: queued up!
[18:00] <paraglade> marcoceppi: this might be something actually to cover when you get into subordinates
[18:00] <marcoceppi> paraglade: probably which we'll probably spend a whole 'nother session on
[18:00] <paraglade> :)
[18:04] <paraglade> cool thanks!
[18:04] <arosales> m_3, marcoceppi thanks or the charm school.
[18:04] <marcoceppi> m_3: Thanks for running us through charms!
[18:04] <m_3> arosales: sure
[18:04] <m_3> thanks peeps for tuning in!
[20:44] <dpb1> m_3: Hey -- Could you review this one when you get a chance?  https://code.launchpad.net/~davidpbritton/charms/precise/landscape-client/add-landscape-relation/+merge/161497
[20:59] <marcoceppi> Oh boy, where is charm.log in go-juju deployments?
[21:00] <marcoceppi> /var/lib/juju/units/<unit-name>/charm.log isn't quite there anymore :)
[21:03] <m_3> marcoceppi: look in /var/log
[21:03] <marcoceppi> m_3: ah, /var/log/juju/unit-name.log perfect
[21:03] <marcoceppi> that will make archiving logs in juju-core a hell of a lot easier
[21:04] <m_3> dpb1: I'll try today, but most likely Monday
[21:04] <dpb1> m_3: monday is fine.
[21:05] <dpb1> m_3: just a gentle reminder. :)
[21:05] <dpb1> (now that sprint season is done for a while)
[21:05] <m_3> gotcha
[21:05] <m_3> actually at a conference next week
[21:05] <m_3> _then_ the season's over for a bit
[21:15] <marcoceppi> I don't know if it's just me, and my expectations, but I feel like "the cloud" has been noticeably more responsive since using the juju-core version
[22:17] <jhujhiti> is this the right place to look for help with the openstack charms?
[22:17] <sarnold> it's not -wrong-, anyway :) but it is late in the day..
[22:19] <jhujhiti> well, it's worth a shot
[22:21] <jhujhiti> i'm trying to help someone i work with get this openstack deployment straightened out. he's used juju charms to deploy mysql/rabbitmq/keystone/glance/swift/etc in HA. but it seems to have left the default database for each of the openstack services set to sqlite
[22:22] <jhujhiti> there's a relation in juju, so i'm not sure what's been done wrong
[22:22] <jhujhiti> and there are too many moving parts for me to just dive in and fix it, having never set it up myself
[22:24] <jhujhiti> using glance as an example, i read through the 'juju debug-log' as i removed and re-added the relation to mysql. glance says something to the effet of 'database settings changed, will try again' but it never does


[01:05] <tyrion> towski, an iphone? are you joking?
[02:24] <towski> well I mean iphones have everything
[02:24] <towski> except for open source and linux
[02:25] <towski> well it's either a oneplus or an iphone
[04:49] <Taconut> Hi! Can I use ubuntu touch like a normal linux computer if I wanT to?
[04:50] <Taconut> Like install packages, etc
[12:23] <idler> Hi, has ubuntu acceleration for HW for sansumg galaxy s3 lite  ?
[12:26] <idler> the silent is the response????
[12:27] <popey> idler: it's quiet in here on the weekends
[12:27] <popey> idler: way more busy during the working week
[12:28] <idler> ok buuuut although imm very idler my time is gold
[12:28] <idler> ok but
[12:31] <idler> this is for koalas???
[12:31] <idler> this chanel is for koalas?
[12:31] <idler> all very slowly
[12:34] <popey> idler: as I said, people are here more during the week
[12:34] <popey> monday through friday from about 08:00 UTC until around 20:00 UTC
[12:41] <idler> ok ubuntu for phones and tablets is little popular in the world and for this reason in this chanel  cant  give me response
[12:46] <idler> ubuntu for tablets and phones is a loser???
[12:49] <popey> idler: we haven't shipped a single device yet, which is one reason why it's not "popular" by any measure
[12:58] <idler> has ubuntu support of acceleration for hardware in sansumg galaxy s3 lite???
[12:59] <idler> its the question to hve or not to have
[13:02] <popey> idler: is it listed here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices - if not, no, we don't support that device.
[13:03] <idler> for nexus oof google thre support true???
[13:04] <popey> We support the devices listed on that page. Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2013) and Nexus 10. Community porters support the rest.
[13:05] <idler> ok
[13:06] <idler> nexus is more universal than sansumg then ....
[14:33] <UbUntUToUchLover> Hello! I just used the Complete Linux Installer app. Is it possible to get Ubuntu Touch working through this?
[14:37] <UbUntUToUchLover> Hello? Anybody available?
[14:39] <UbUntUToUchLover> nhaines? You available?
[14:41] <UbUntUToUchLover> Just checking. I'm quitting, for now.
[18:14] <UbUntUToUchLover> Hello?
[18:15] <UbUntUToUchLover> Good morning! At least, to those who are still experiencing morning!
[18:20] <UbUntUToUchLover> nhaines: Are you there this lovely morning? :-D
[18:24] <UbUntUToUchLover> I wanted to tell anybody that was monitoring this channel: I've been testing the Ubuntu Dual-Boot app on my Nook HD+, tricking it by configuring the build.prop so that it thought I was running a Nexus (flo, manta, mako), but every time I rebooted to Ubuntu, it went to recovery, instead.
[18:26] <UbUntUToUchLover>  I even cleared the EMMC partition, and cleaned the data from my Clockworkmod ROM app, but it still rebooted to recovery! Like a digital clock showing time, while the batteries are out!
[18:27] <UbUntUToUchLover> Any ideas? I feel so close to a solution, I don't want to give up, yet!
[18:28] <UbUntUToUchLover> bubbasaures: I know you're online. Can you help me?
[18:35] <UbUntUToUchLover>  Is anybody here?
[18:36] <UbUntUToUchLover>  Do I have to use Ubuntu colors to get someone's attention?
[18:37] <UbUntUToUchLover>  How about now?
[18:38] <UbUntUToUchLover> Oh, well. I'll stay in touch... No pun intended.
[18:40] <bubbasaures> UbUntUToUchLover, Outside what I know is all.
[18:41] <UbUntUToUchLover> bubbasaures: Did you see my messages?
[18:44] <UbUntUToUchLover> bubbasaures: I've been using the Ubuntu Dual-Boot app to try to get Ubuntu Touch to work on my Nook, but to no avail. I've been tricking the app into thinking I'm using a Nexus by using a build.prop editor.
[18:48] <cwayne> yeah that won't work, theres no ubuntu port for nook (that i know of at least)
[18:48] <cwayne> and it's certainly not a supported port if so
[18:49] <popey> cwayne: ybon was looking for the points of interest scope source if you have it somewhere. he noticed it in the store.
[18:50] <cwayne> not public yet popey
[18:50] <cwayne> the source that is
[18:51] <ybon> popey, cwayne: about this, I noticed scope opens locations in here.com; is there some plan in the future to support some map:// protocol, and let the user chose which will open it?
[18:51] <ybon> which app* will open it
[18:51] <popey> cwayne: ybon made our first map app - OSM Touch...
[18:51] <cwayne> right, osm touch is awesome
[18:52] <ybon> :)
[18:52] <cwayne> ybon: i'm not sure about that, but i'm sure you could ship a url-dispatcher hook with osm-touch to do that
[18:52] <ybon> interesting
[18:52] <UbUntUToUchLover> cwayne: There IS an image for the Nook HD+ (ovation), but it is so buggy, I've been looking for other methods of putting Ubuntu Touch on my Nook. I love Ubuntu, and I'd want it on every device, if I can - and I believe I can!
[18:53] <ybon> any idea where I can find documentation about this, cwayne?
[18:53] <cwayne> UbUntUToUchLover: it's buggy because it's not a supported device probably :P  I know how you feel though, I've been tryin' to get ubuntu running on my oneplus one
[18:53] <cwayne> ybon: about how to add url-dispatcher bits?
[18:54] <cwayne> i'm not sure it's well documented, let me try and find an example at least
[18:54] <ybon> cwayne: yep, and thanks :)
[18:55] <cwayne> ybon: here's a start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[18:56] <ybon> thanks!
[18:56] <cwayne> ybon: and this MP to the clock app may be helpful as an example: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-clock-app/url-dispatcher/+merge/201536
[18:56] <UbUntUToUchLover> cwayne: Thanks, man. I know it's not a supported device, but even so, I believe it can be done. It's just figuring out how that's bugging me.
[18:57] <cwayne> UbUntUToUchLover: right, but the issue is even if there's a port, the dual boot app won't know about it, as it uses system-image, and afaik nobody's created a system-image server for any community ports other than hammerhead and deb
[18:57]  * cwayne goes back to being sick, may check in later
[18:58] <ybon> cwayne: so this means that an app should know about the other app to open some resource in it, right?
[18:59] <UbUntUToUchLover> cwayne: True. Tricking the Dual Boot app may not be the answer. I need to research even deeper!
[18:59] <ybon> I mean, I can add an URL dispatcher like "map://" in OSMTouch, but then, as an example, the points of interest scope need to know that protocol has been exposed by OSMTouch, and then (maybe) decide to use it?
[19:00] <ybon> Also, I wonder how we'll manage when two apps will register URL dispatcher that conflicts
[19:03] <ybon> (Made an issue on the tracker https://bugs.launchpad.net/osmtouch/+bug/1400132 )
[19:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1400132 in OSMTouch "Add an URL dispatcher" [Undecided,New]
[19:07] <ybon> popey: a bit off topic, but do you know someone who can be aware of the status of the Ubuntu arabic font project? http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/hebrew-and-arabic-on-track/
[19:09] <popey> ybon: no idea, but I'd fire a mail a the design team. specifically john.lea@ our company name dot com ☻
[19:09] <ybon> cool, thanks! :)
[19:22] <UbUntUToUchLover> Any news on ovation? Has it been further modified by anybody?
[19:23] <UbUntUToUchLover> Just checking. Anyway, go for the orange!
[19:27] <popey> UbUntUToUchLover: i doubt anyone has touched it other than you
[19:29] <UbUntUToUchLover> popey: I barely got your message. What did you say?
[19:30] <UbUntUToUchLover> Sorry.  I'm changing apps.
[19:42] <UTL2> popey: Here I am. What were we talking about?
[19:42] <popey> 19:27:49 < popey> UbUntUToUchLover: i doubt anyone has touched it other than you
[19:44] <UTL2> popey: I saw that. I forgot the subject I was currently talking about.  We'll just start with what we do know! Like...
[19:47] <UTL2> For instance, about the Dual Boot app. That's something I've been puzzling over, because I'm forced to use it instead of it's true purpose - to dual-boot from Android to Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus device.
[19:49] <UTL2> What I mean is, I'm using it on a Nook instead of a Nexus. Interestingly, it downloads and installs, but it reboots into Clockworkmod Recovery.
[19:51] <UTL2> So I clear the EMMC folder where I think the recovery is stored. Then, I boot CyanogenMod and clear the Clockworkmod ROM app that installed recovery to begin with. After that, I try again. Curiously, the same result happens!
[19:52] <UTL2> Now it's got me thinking: How do I get rid of recovery, and will this help me be able toboot Ubuntu?
[19:52] <UTL2> to boot
[20:04] <UTL> I, UTL2, am also under Ubuntu Desktop.
[20:06] <UTL> popey: You still there?
[20:06] <popey> yes
[20:08] <UTL> popey: Did you get my messages about the app? Do you have any idea if it will work?
[20:09] <UTL2> Leaving my tablet, for now.
[20:10] <e960info> hello all , I would like to ask info about lg e960 nexus 4.  does anyone in here use it with ubuntu-touch ?? do you think that a price of about 150euro is ok for a used  phone like a nexus 4 ?? can I run both android and ubuntutouch in a LG nexus 4?? thanks fo ryour reply
[20:14] <UTL> e960info: All LG Nexus 4s should work. Check if your device is codenamed "mako".
[20:15] <e960info> can I dual boot cyanomonged and ubuntutouch with a nexus 4? ubuntu touch and android??
[20:16] <e960info> how is difficult to brick my new used-phone trying to dual boot??
[20:16] <UTL> e960info: You can get the Ubuntu Dual-Boot app following the directions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation All supported devices should work, and even some devices closely related to Nexuses should work. I wouldn't know about any others.
[20:17] <UTL> I have a Nook HD+, and the Dual-Boot app didn't work for me. :-(
[20:18] <popey> The dual boot app is designed for the devices we support, the nexus ones.
[20:21] <UTL> e960info: I am still experimenting with the app. There may be few devices that you can install Ubuntu Touch on if you change the build.prop file, but I don't recommend this because it could mess up your device - even brick it, if you change too much!
[20:22] <e960info> so it's better to simply remove android from a nexus 4 and to install ubuntutouch?? in this way it is still possible to crick the phone?? I mean not any dual boot, at the end I donìt like android, for this reason I want to try to use ubuntutouch
[20:24] <e960info> which percentage from 1% to 99% have I to brick my nexus 4 e960,mako, phone while installing ubuntu-touch? and may I return to use android if ubuntutouch doesn't work???
[20:25] <UTL> e960info: Plug your device into a computer. Run "adb shell grep ro.product.device /system/build.prop" from a terminal. Does it return as "mako"?
[20:26] <Elleo> as far as I'm aware there is only one nexus 4 type
[20:26] <Elleo> so you'll be fine with anything that's sold as being a nexus 4
[20:26] <e960info> I'm going to buy such a phone on ebay just now,  I wanted to know some experience from people who are using it.
[20:27] <Elleo> I don't dual boot, so can't comment on that side of things, but UT runs fine on the nexus 4 in general
[20:27] <UTL> e960info: Follow the instructions here when you get your Nexus 4, and you will see that it works: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[20:29] <UTL> Or, use the Dual Boot link that I gave you earlier. Both work on all Nexus 4s, but only one method keeps the current OS.
[20:33] <UTL> e960info: I can see that you're worried about bricking. There really is no need to, as long as your device is supported by Ubuntu. If you find that it is not, you can try to flash a different image, but I have no guarantee that it will work properly.
[20:35] <UTL> e960info: Check to see if your device is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices Click on the code name for the device you want to know about, and check all the details.
[20:40] <e960info> I have just bought an LG e960 nexus 4 , thanks for your help. I will have it on 15 of december.  thanks to all developers that are working to give me an opportunity to do not use android.
[20:41] <UTL> e960info: Glad to help!
[21:25]  * UTL , now knowing some new IRC commands, uses them.
[21:26]  * UTL doesn't mean to be a pain. All he wants is some friendly help.
[21:39] <UTL> inxi


[00:39] <like2omg> I apologize if this has been asked numerous times before by other people, but does Xubuntu allow upgrading from 14.04 to the new 16.04? I seemed to have reached the latest packages and I don't know if I set it to ignore the update/
[00:40] <Unit193> !ltsupgrade
[00:41] <like2omg> Okay, thank you Unit193 :)
[00:43] <like2omg> Also, is it knownhow reliable an iffy connection to the internet will be able to allow it to upgrade? I USB tether with my phone and don't want an incomming call to soft-brick my laptop.
[00:44] <like2omg> ... I'll just hope for the best. Thank you again. :)
[08:51] <Rayne> Is there a specific reason that thunar doesn't support opening a terminal in a gvfs mounted directory? I don't like to cdir to /var/run/…/gvfs every time when I am using thunar to open a terminal in a specific directory. Opening terminals is possible with sshfs.
[08:53] <Rayne> It also hides user defined right-click actions in gvfs mounts (when not accessing them directly by /var/run/…)
[10:36] <akis> hi all. i installed yesterday xubuntu 16.04. thunar could work with archive plug in normally as did also under 14.04 but today when i tried to archive some files i got the message: Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found. Any help? i read some documantation but i didnt find a solution. any idea?
[11:30] <knob> Hello everyone.  Last night I installed 16.04 in a new ssd in my workstation.  After installation, I installed (SATA) the old SSD which was encrypted via LUKS.
[11:31] <knob> I tried to uncrypted, and was successful.  Yet when I tried to mount it, it failed.  I *think*  it is because the old ssd and the new ssd have the same LVM "VG" (Volume Group) name.
[11:31] <knob> If this sounds plausible, can I change the VG Name of a drive, without loosing the data?
[12:35] <akis> hi all. i installed yesterday xubuntu 16.04. thunar could work with archive plug in normally as did also under 14.04 but today when i tried to archive some files i got the message: Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found. Any help? i read some documantation but i didnt find a solution. any idea?
[13:11] <dkessel> akis: what kind of archive did you want to create - what file format?
[13:12] <dkessel> knob: sounds like a general ubuntu question. you might find help in #ubuntu
[13:14] <akis> dkessel: zip. the bug is described here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10826 and https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9572. any idea?
[13:15] <knob> dkessel, thanks!  Just posted the question there
[13:16] <dkessel> akis: so, did you try the described workaround? like... renaming/copying the .tap/.desktop (as i understand it) file to the new name?
[13:17] <dkessel> akis: just out of interest - did you do an upgrade from an installed 14.04 to 16.04?
[13:24] <akis> dkessel: sorry i rebooted to check if i fix it, but i didnt. did you write anything the time i was disconnected?
[13:32] <dkessel> oh yes i wrote this:
[13:32] <dkessel> akis: so, did you try the described workaround? like... renaming/copying the .tap/.desktop (as i understand it) file to the new name?
[13:32] <dkessel> akis: just out of interest - did you do an upgrade from an installed 14.04 to 16.04?
[13:32] <akis> dkessel: fresh installation. i tried but nothing changed.
[13:35] <dkessel> akis: so you have a file /usr/lib/xfce4/thunar-archive-plugin/org.gnome.FileRoller.tap now?
[13:36] <akis> dkessel: i will post a screen shot
[13:41] <akis> dkessel: http://pasteboard.co/110tMb8P.png
[13:43] <dkessel> akis: looks good. although i am unsure if you needed that workaround at all. maybe you have another bug. but i don't know how to help any further.
[13:44] <akis> ok, thanks for your time today.
[13:45] <dkessel> maybe asking the xfce people in #xfce helps
[17:42] <akis> hi all. i faced this issue https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1006838-start-0.html on my freshly 16.04 installation. My system has already (by default) the symbolic link mentioned on this thread (http://pasteboard.co/11gfPQvc.png). Any idea to override this issue?
[18:03] <flocculant> akis: odd - just checking, you mean the Extract to ... and Extract here ... options in the thunar right click menu?
[18:03] <flocculant> just booted with the iso - works ok there
[18:04] <knome> flocculant, i think he was trying to *reate* an archive
[18:04] <knome> create too
[18:07] <flocculant> that worked too
[18:07] <knome> mhm
[18:17] <Orioa> ddoes anyone know if i can use /quote ns on weechat instaead of /msg
[18:18] <knome> Orioa, #weechat ?
[18:19] <Orioa> yeah
[21:52] <Duderis_> Hello
[21:52] <knome> hello
[21:53] <David-A> hello
[21:53] <Duderis_> guys, im a linux noob and just installed xubuntu, having issues, is this the right place to search for help x.x ?
[21:53] <knome> yes
[21:54] <Duderis_> so um ye :D my newly machine doesnt want to turn off :D
[21:55] <Duderis_> newly installed machine*
[21:55] <Duderis_> newly installed operating system** x.x
[21:55] <Duderis_> it reboots on shut down
[21:56] <Duderis_> any ideas anyone ?
[21:56] <knome> which xubuntu version are you using and how are you shutting down?
[21:57] <Duderis_> im using the 16.04 x64
[21:57] <Duderis_> and im shutting down bu using the shutdown button on the toolbar
[21:57] <Duderis_> well also the button on the login screen
[21:58] <Duderis_> when force shut-downing (holding the button for 10s~) it stays down >.>
[21:58] <Duderis_> but thats not a solution i think
[22:00] <Duderis_> also i tried the general things that came up in google, as in changing the bios settings for awake on wlan and editing the /etc/default/grub file, none of which solved my issue
[22:03] <Duderis_> no ideas :( ?
[22:12] <squinty> Duderis_,  there has been a couple of users reporting this in #ubuntu.  Might want to try the following to see if it resolves your problem.  It was suggested by one of the more knowledgeable participants in that channel.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16501127/
[22:14] <genii> Yes, TJ is a trusted and knowledgeable helper
[22:14] <Duderis_> thanks
[22:15] <Duderis_> ill report back as soon as i can test this out, running out of time currently
[22:16] <Duderis_> cya later, and thanks again
[22:28] <hasan> hi
[22:28] <knome> hello
[22:28] <hasan> xubuntu mount mtp drive failed!!
[22:29] <hasan> my device is listed in mtp rules but wont mount
[22:30] <hasan> mount mtp failed
[22:31] <Azelphur> hasan: is your phone unlocked
[22:31] <Azelphur> as in, lock screen, pin code
[22:32] <hasan> yes
[22:32] <hasan> I also enable dev-mode but still wont mount 😄
[22:34] <hasan> no
[22:38] <genii> Probably a Samsung.


[17:34] <TheHexaCube> hey folks o/
[17:34] <TheHexaCube> I have a (hopefully) quick question - are there any recommendations/well supported 7" tablets, if I want to install ubuntu/linux on it?
[17:35] <TheHexaCube> I was recommended to look for allwinner tablets, but so far I could only find A33 tablets, which don't seem well supported at all


[04:18] <AliTabuger7> I still have yet to get the files/access i need to start working. When I do, would it be acceptable for me to create "test" nodes of different content types?
[10:17] <juliux> hey katkin
[10:25] <katkin> juliux: hey
[10:31] <juliux> katkin: how are you?
[10:32] <katkin> juliux: I'm good thanks, ridiculously busy, but good :) you?
[10:32] <juliux> i am good, but very busy with work and ubuntu stuff
[10:32] <juliux> i want to ask you if it is possible to get some ball-pens for ubucon again?
[15:57] <AliTabuger7> Is anyone from SU here? I'm worried it seems to be taking 'pep' a while to get me what I need to start working.


 @fredldotme [I'm working on the Pixel 3a. I remember someone working on a port for the origin …], Thx
[05:31] <ubptgbot> Eliza was added by: Eliza
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 I‘m installing Ubuntu touch in my Nexus 5, but it’s hanging at “installing updates”. What should I do?
 @Eliza [<reply to media>], That screen doesnt look right
 Install twrp and format every partition maybe
 Ok, I will try that
 Ok, I wiped every partition, I‘m going to go back into recovery and try again
 It worked! Thank you!
 @Eliza [It worked! Thank you!], welcome!
 @Javacookies [Oh really? I thought Xperia X is somewhat already on the same level as the usual …], Are we near a solution to the lack of movie with camera app ?
 @livrecinq [Are we near a solution to the lack of movie with camera app ?], No, video recording is still broken for arm64 devices. You could flash 32bit rootfs and its likely to work there
 @Flohack [No, video recording is still broken for arm64 devices. You could flash 32bit roo …], Hm, I got it working on Volla Phone. Does it crash in media-hub?
 @NotKit [Hm, I got it working on Volla Phone. Does it crash in media-hub?], I am not sure will have to analyze. Ratchanan said its only certain 64bit devices, so yes perfectly Ok if it works for you ^^
 @livrecinq [Are we near a solution to the lack of movie with camera app ?], If you use 32bit = armhf = devel channel on Xperia X and install gst-droid camera app variant video works.
 @Danfro [If you use 32bit = armhf = devel channel on Xperia X and install gst-droid camer …], Yeah thats what I meant ^^
[09:39] <ubptgbot> supirlelik96 was added by: supirlelik96
 Hello help please I have a short press on the power button turns off the window and this greatly interferes with how to disable this window or make it pop up when you hold it for a long time
 @supirlelik96 [Hello help please I have a short press on the power button turns off the window …], Sorry I dont understand your problem
 @Flohack [Sorry I dont understand your problem], When I block the screen I get a window to turn off the device and this greatly interferes with how to disable this window?
 @supirlelik96 [When I block the screen I get a window to turn off the device and this greatly i …], Ah you mean, when you try to unlock/lock phone with power button, a dialog shows up asking for you to power off or reboot
 @ItsMeShouko [Ah you mean, when you try to unlock/lock phone with power button, a dialog shows …], yes!
 @supirlelik96 [When I block the screen I get a window to turn off the device and this greatly i …], Are you porting a new device?
 @supirlelik96 [Hello help please I have a short press on the power button turns off the window …], Which device?
[10:30] <ubptgbot> MSHmouh was added by: MSHmouh
[10:38] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> Wow! Hotspot works with UBports on pinephone! That did not work some time ago... Wohoo!
 Hi, I have a ce pinephone and I'm trying to activate the dev mode (https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/adb.html). I don't have that option in the About screen and if I search for "Developer" in settings it only shows me the "About" section as it should. When I click on it there is no developer option
[10:43] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> [Edit] Wow! Hotspot works with UBports on pinephone! That did not work some time ago... Wohoo! … [EDIT] It's not stable at all though.
 @Fuseteam [Which device?], Xiaomi redmi 7  onclite
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 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/a0vHASiM.png Hi guys.  Im wondering if i can install ubuntu touch in my old android 4.1.1 tablet..?? And also if i can use Nexus 7 2013 WiFi .?? Because my device not listed..
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 N7 2013 is listed: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ … And in short, what is not listed is not available.
 @MSHmouh [<reply to media>], Probably not on Condor ,but on nexus 7 2013 you can easily install ubuntu touch
 @supirlelik96 [Probably not on Condor ,but on nexus 7 2013 you can easily install ubuntu touch], i want to try on my condor ..its ok if its burn 😂
 @agentjrt [Hi, I have a ce pinephone and I'm trying to activate the dev mode (https://docs. …], adb doesnt exist on pinephone
 so how do I install click packages that are built via clickable then?
 ssh is a good way
 chickable has ssh option
 or i send them through telegram in the browser
 wifi doesn't work since 2 days on my device
 it works under arch, but I wanted to do a few tests on the masterbranch of the asteroidos app
 @agentjrt [so how do I install click packages that are built via clickable then?], There is an ssh mode already
 Yes sorry already answered
 @Flohack [There is an ssh mode already], jep, but wifi doesn't work for me
 How do I remove a package via cli? pkcon finds the package with "get-packages" but it doen't find it with "remove" prameter
 @agentjrt [jep, but wifi doesn't work for me], Hmm thats strange are there any other ppl reporting this?
 I cant believe we break wifi even in devel
 Hi @jrt nice to read you here ;-)
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 @supirlelik96 [Xiaomi redmi 7  onclite], yes that is a new ported device, if your the porter i would suggest you join @ubports_porting
 @hummlbach [Hi @jrt nice to read you here ;-)], u here. Nice to read u2 :D
 @agentjrt [<reply to media>], maybe try including version number?
 Maybe you'd like to join the ubports app dev group. Its a better place to discuss things around clickable etc
 @MSHmouh [i want to try on my condor ..its ok if its burn 😂], then you may try porting it take a look at docs.halium.org for the requirements
 @Flohack [maybe try including version number?], nope
 what do you mean nope 👀
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean nope 👀], Does not work obviously
 ah lol i see
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean nope 👀], Package not found: telescope.asteroidos-0.0.5
 :D
 @agentjrt [Package not found: telescope.asteroidos-0.0.5], Type the full name as listed
 inc arm64
 already tried that
 well then
 unlucko ^^
 but pkcon is in theory the right package manager to use correct?
 maybe try asteroidsyncserviced?
 yes think so
 @Fuseteam [maybe try asteroidsyncserviced?], No that are the installed executables from that package
 @Fuseteam [maybe try asteroidsyncserviced?], tried that too :D
 It makes no sense to try this
 haha i see
 @agentjrt [but pkcon is in theory the right package manager to use correct?], Theres another on, but pkcon should do as ell
 @agentjrt [but pkcon is in theory the right package manager to use correct?], [Edit] Theres another on, but pkcon should do as well
 I tried also via GUI, but openstore won't show installed packages without wifi
 maybe install the la— ohw no internet hmmmm
 what about usb tethering?
 does that work on the pinephone?
 usb only works for charging. I'm not sure if that's related to the HW issue tho
 welp then i'm out of ideas
 @Fuseteam [does that work on the pinephone?], No
 yes i gathered that rodney
 pkcon remove requires typing in the info in a specific format I don't recall
 You can use `sudo click remove` or whatever it is though
 @dohbee [You can use sudo click remove or whatever it is though], click: error: unknown command: remove
 unregister maybe then ask the help for it
 sudo click <tab><tab> :^3
 GLib.Error: click_user_error-quark: telescope does not exist in any database for user phablet (7)
 ohh
 but it is there and I can launch it
 oh my
 maybe I should just reflash a current image
 click list
 @agentjrt [GLib.Error: click_user_error-quark: telescope does not exist in any database for …], did you install it with sudo or something? …  lol
 You need the package name
 Unable to find application for 'telescope.asteroidos_asteroidsyncserviced_0.0.5': Invalid app ID: telescope.asteroidos_asteroidsyncserviced_0.0.5
 nope
 Which is not telescope
 I installed it via the open store
 Only the first part is package name
 perhaps `click list|grep telescope` like rodney said
 I copied the name from click list
 telescope.asteroidos
 @agentjrt [Unable to find application for 'telescope.asteroidos_asteroidsyncserviced_0.0.5' …], And thats the output for that
 @Fuseteam [yes that is a new ported device, if your the porter i would suggest you join @ub …], ok
 argl... ok lets see how clickable does it...
 maybe that can help us: https://gitlab.com/clickable/clickable/-/blob/master/clickable/commands/install.py#L26
 <irony>pretty obvious... why didn't we try that from the start???</irony>
 `pkcon remove "xkcdviewer.arc676;0.3.2;all;local:click"`
 that worked for example
 for telescope it should probably be `pkcon remove "telescope.asteroidos;0.0.5;all;local:click"` then
 And for further discussions please let us switch over to https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 hello everyone. i am going to change the Ment Version to 2020 new one, did you guys test it? is it better than old one?
 @RZRady [hello everyone. i am going to change the Ment Version to 2020 new one, did you g …], this group is about https://ubuntu-touch.io and https://ubports.com not general linux distros
 Thank you sir. 👍
[13:54] <ubptgbot> ganomin was added by: ganomin
[13:58] <ubptgbot> gabodavo was added by: gabodavo
 Hello!
 So, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch, and it's failing boot. I noticed that there is a usb telnet connection, but I can't access it for some reason(it just hangs with "Trying <IP_ADDRESS>").
 install to what device?
 Oops, forgot to mention. A G7 Power.
 This is with a newly build Halium kernel from a source tree I found.
 [Edit] Oops, forgot to mention. A Moto G7 Power.
 https://github.com/erfanoabdi/android_kernel_motorola_sdm632/tree/halium-9.0
 ok you should go to https://t.me/halium then as this is not yet a supported device by ubports-installer
 Ok
 Thank you!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/fvwwZNlw.webp
[15:39] <ubptgbot> Heather Vargas was added by: Heather Vargas
[15:47] <ubptgbot> Karl Kelso was added by: Karl Kelso
 Thanks for all of your answers !
 @Flohack [Yeah thats what I meant ^^], Thank you !
 https://youtu.be/KhV57_EH3AA
[18:41] <ubptgbot> darrelgriet was added by: darrelgriet
 dang it was just about to look at that video 😂
 @Flohack [No, video recording is still broken for arm64 devices. You could flash 32bit roo …], Florian, can it be done on the OP3? If so, how?
 @Marcos [Florian, can it be done on the OP3? If so, how?], I dont know yet. I think nobody really knows whats the issue
 Ok. Thanks!
[19:08] <ubptgbot> Mikey Goodson was added by: Mikey Goodson
 hurrr.....just a fast question here
 did anyone tried ubuntu touch for lavender? there is this community port going, but, i actually don't know if it's going well or if the devs are helping or even know about it
 @agentjrt [Hi, I have a ce pinephone and I'm trying to activate the dev mode (https://docs. …], thats a linux phone not an Android —- that will not work
 @Marathon2422 [thats a linux phone not an Android —- that will not work], you can have the adb daemon on non-android devices and the documentation said that you can connect via adb or ssh and wifi didn't work and usb ethernet adapters don't seem to work either
 @agentjrt [you can have the adb daemon on non-android devices and the documentation said th …], yeah otg doesn't work yet, so you can only use ssh at the moment, after getting wifi working
 maybe I should mention that the issue was fixed after a continued conversation in the dev group. Not that sombody here replies, thinking that the issue is unsolved
 yeah
 Can pidgin run on ubports without libertine?
 So that something like this can work? https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-discord
 you can try to package it into a click i guess


[00:50] <Fjodor> apw: I will probably go to bed soon, but did you have any luck with getting working headers packages built for the daylies? And also, when do they get uploaded (relative to UTC)?
[08:40] <cdE|Woozy> I just noticed kernel 2.6.31-6 spitting out "ACPI Error", is this something to worry about?
[08:40] <cdE|Woozy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/256174/
[09:43] <soren> Does anyone know why CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM is disabled in Karmic?
[10:03] <apw> soren, i would guess it has its default value and noon has ever asked for it
[10:03] <soren> Consider yourself asked  :)
[10:04] <soren> It used to be enabled (in previous versions of Ubuntu)
[10:04] <apw> you sure, we didn't have gfs2 did we?
[10:05] <soren> We do have GFS2.
[10:05] <soren> ...and have had for quite a while.
[10:05] <soren> Without the DLM, it's not much fun.
[10:07] <apw> soren, yep seems to have gone away, strange
[10:07] <soren> i can haz it back, plz?
[10:07] <apw> file me a bug will ya, and assign it to apw
[10:18] <soren> apw: Sure.
[10:28] <apw> soren, and let me know the number here
[10:28] <apw> smb, damn these udebs are complex.  i think i
[10:28] <apw> have it sorted out now.  will know in 10 mins
[10:29] <soren> apw: Sure.
[10:29]  * soren looks it up
[10:30] <smb> apw, I can believe. Just let me know if you have updated your patches, then I run those on the builds I have
[10:31] <apw> i'll let this build run, and if it works (and i think it will) then i'll push you a copy
[10:31] <smb> Ack
[10:31] <apw> man this would all be so easy but for kernel-wedge which is just a POS
[10:31] <apw> i know where stuff is la la la not listening
[10:32] <apw> its such a pain that udebs are dependant on binary-debs ... so it makes every damn thing
[10:32] <soren> apw: bug 416325
[10:32] <ubot3`> Malone bug 416325 in linux "Please reenable CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416325
[10:34] <soren> apw: It's not like kernel-wedge is sacred. You can fix it if you like :)
[10:34] <apw> heh yeah ... i'd love to walk into the mine field.  could i have a blind fold?
[10:35] <apw> we are being mean to it, its not worth fixing it for this
[11:27] <ghostcube> hi
[11:31] <levonshe> Hello all, please simple question - linux_source-2.6.30  package is not anymore on ftp server, why?
[11:36] <levonshe> The second simple question - to use compiled 2.6.31 kernel, it is required to install linux-libc-dev_2.6.31-6.25_i386.deb package ?
[12:18] <asac> some more ids for cdc_ether ... can we pick them to support more ericsson modems? http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg104788.html
[12:18] <asac> pgraner: ^^ ?
[12:24] <apw> levonshe, linux_source-2.6.30 has gone becuase we have moved on to 2.6.31 kernels in karmic
[12:24] <apw> the linux-libc-dev is a headers package for compiling programs, and necessarily is version locked with the kernel as it carries the headers from there kernel
[12:47] <levonshe> apw, first thank you, still I confused - say I want to use 2.6.30 on jaunty ( I am actually have it now) and syscalls do not supposed to change , so application (user space) programs do not require libc-devel ? (my programs srill works)
[12:48] <apw> though by that standard installing the updated libc headers wouldn't change anything either
[12:49] <apw> the packages are not designed for backport like that so its not supprising they are setup for normal use.  which is to have that package installed in parallel with the kernel
[12:58] <arand> I get a kernel panic on shutdown, I would like to know the easiest way to capture it for attaching to bug report? It does not show up anywhere in /var/log/*
[13:04] <smb> arand, Might happen after the devices are synced. Likely the best chance is to disable splash, set console to a small font and take a picture when you see the panic on the way down
[13:07] <levonshe> apw, can you comment - how /boot/abi file is used , because I am compiling upgrading kernel/modules/drivers and did not receive any complaints for ABI compatability ?
[13:08] <apw> the boot/abi files are used for abi comparisons between kerrnels, allowing us to detect such a change and handle it before a kernel release
[13:10] <arand> smb: okay, will do. I'm not sure if it's a panic/Oops but something locks and requires a REISUB, and what I see with splash disabled does look much like a panic... *looks into changin resolution.
[13:11] <smb> arand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelDebuggingTricks might help
[13:13] <smb> arand, also /etc/default/console-setup
[13:19] <arand> smb: cheers
[13:29] <levonshe> apw, sorry to monopolize you , but couple of things I am thinking : the release notes for libc-devel describes all kind of changes in kernel, but I think they should state which new functionalities are available at user space, so where is the document  for application programmer?
[13:30] <apw> as far as i know there is none, the main thing is the ABI is meant to be backwards compatible
[13:30] <apw> so in theory you would only get newer interfaces specified
[13:31] <apw> where it is not you would be entering the land of needing to get the libc updates to match
[13:31] <apw> and likely beyond what is possible to expect to work well with both kernels
[14:02] <andresmujica1> hi, anyone nows if ogasawara use a template for kernelteam bugday wiki page? i want to update a little bit the launchpadlib section, but i'm not sure if there's a template for it or just modifying the last version would do it...
[14:23] <rtg> pgraner`, whats the story with DVB firmware? Are they all under Jockey control now?
[14:26] <pgraner`> rtg: not yet, pitti is on holiday once he gets back it will get flipped
[14:27] <rtg> pgraner`, k, just responding to a k-t email
[14:27] <smb> andresmujica1, I would guess she generates it somehow. But best ask directly in around two hrs
[14:28] <andresmujica1> smb: yeap, that's what i'll do.. tks
[14:48] <rtg> apw, can you give me a quick review of the perl syntax for http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/0001-UBUNTU-SAUCE-Improve-error-reporting-in-postinst.patch ?
[14:50] <apw> rtg looks fine to me, $! in a string context is the error message translation of errno from the previous system call
[14:50] <apw> so he has added $! in each case into the error mesasge.
[14:50] <apw> ack from me
[14:51] <rtg> apw, thanks
[14:51] <rtg> I've not programmed perl in about 47 years
[14:52] <amitk> heh :)
[14:52] <apw> rtg a good plan indeed
[14:53] <rtg> apw, as the keeper of checkpatch, I assumed you were fresh on it :)
[14:53] <apw> sadly true
[14:54]  * apw collides with rtg :)
[14:54] <apw> i love that git slaps one
[14:55] <rtg> apw, a Karmic push?
[14:55] <apw> yeah, you just pushed that patch we were talking about
[14:55] <apw> and i was about to push the abstraction fixes
[14:55] <rtg> apw, seems like I should let 'em into the wild as soon as possible.
[14:55] <apw> it told me to stop and i ma rebasing them
[14:55] <apw> will push them in a few secs
[14:55] <rtg> copyright fix?
[14:56] <apw> that plus about 3 others
[14:56] <rtg> cool. I'll use 'em to fix my *&#$^!^* arm builds.
[14:56] <apw> copyright, empty udebs, fixing some bad links
[14:56] <apw> git just decided to gc itself ... grrr
[14:57] <rtg> apw, yeah, it rips on me about once a  day.
[14:57] <apw> first time i've seen it in ages... damnable thing
[14:58] <apw> always seem to do it when you have a disk hog runing so you notice it cause it takes ages
[14:59] <apw> 700k objects hrm ... thats dirty
[15:05] <apw> rtg ok i've pushed a pile to karmic, seems to work for me
[15:06] <rtg> apw, horking
[15:17] <rtg> devinheitmueller, you should hassle that slacker pgraner`about the xc5000 firmware. I don't think he's got enough to do.
[15:18] <devinheitmueller> rtg: heh.  I wasn't trying to get on anybody's back.  I just wanted to give a poke and make sure it didn't fall off the table.
[15:19] <rtg> devinheitmueller, I'll milestone the bug so that it doesn't accidentally get overlooked.
[15:19] <devinheitmueller> Thanks.
[15:19] <devinheitmueller> I spent months getting the licensing worked out with Xceive, and it would definitely help alot of users if this thing worked "out-of-the box"
[15:20] <rtg> devinheitmueller, ok, milestoned _and_ assigned to the boss :)
[15:21] <devinheitmueller> Thanks.  I appreciate it.
[15:27]  * devinheitmueller suddenly realizes that "rtg" is Tim Gardner.  Doh.
[15:27] <rtg> I'm infamous ?
[15:28] <devinheitmueller> Well, you're the same guy I'm talking to via email.  I just didn't make the connection.
[15:28] <devinheitmueller> But yes, you are infamous.  :-)
[15:28] <rtg> I'm just hiding behind and obscure nick :)
[15:28] <rtg> s/and/an/
[15:28] <devinheitmueller> Indeed.  If it had been "tg", I probably would have made the connection much faster.
[15:28] <devinheitmueller> The whole "tim is my middle name" thing threw me off.
[15:29] <devinheitmueller> Anyway, a pleasure to make your acquaintance.
[15:29] <rtg> hmm, can't help it. got stuck with that name years ago.
[15:31] <ogra> raving tim gardner ?
[15:31] <ogra> or is it rocking ?
[15:31] <rtg> raving suits me :)
[15:31] <devinheitmueller> ogra: I might have guessed  "ranting".
[15:31] <rtg> or ranting even.
[15:31] <ogra> lol
[16:19] <bjf> apw, are you mucking with my dove branch? (i have some patches to submit but can wait)
[16:19] <apw> i am not mucking with it, but it will be getting mucked with shortly
[16:21] <rtg> apw, do you get this lintian noise ? 'copyright-without-copyright-notice'
[16:22] <apw> rtg checkin
[16:22] <apw> g
[16:23] <rtg> seems harmless
[16:25] <apw> how does one find out what it even means
[16:28] <rtg> apw, dunno. perhaps solicit the expertize of a packaging expert. alternately, read the debian policy manual (ugh!) http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[16:30] <apw> rtg if i run lintian on a karmic dsc i just built from master
[16:30] <apw> i get W: linux source: ancient-standards-version 3.6.1 (current is 3.8.2)
[16:30] <apw> E: linux source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends-indep: gs
[16:30] <apw> W: linux source: native-package-with-dash-version
[16:37] <Q-FUNK> lintian-info
[16:38] <Q-FUNK> which package still has 3.6.1 as its source standard?
[16:39] <apw> the kernel
[16:39] <Q-FUNK> rtg: on which package?
[16:39] <Q-FUNK> url to its dsc?
[16:40] <Q-FUNK> lemme see what I can do to overhaul that...  url please?
[16:41] <rtg> Q-FUNK, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.31-6.25.dsc
[16:41] <Q-FUNK> thanks.  fetching...
[16:44] <Q-FUNK> right. debian/control is indeed somewhat outdated
[16:47] <Q-FUNK> this has got to be one of the scariest build trees I've ever seen.
[16:50] <rtg> apw, I cleaned up 'UBUNTU: abstracted-debian -- drop the debian directories from headers part 2' and repushed. You left some changelog fuzz in the patch.
[16:56] <Q-FUNK> rtg: copyright with copyright:  it misses an actual (C)CCYY in there
[16:57] <rtg> Q-FUNK, send a patch ?
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> rtg: I'm letting the whole package build in background.  will send a patch afterwards with as many fixes as possible
[17:00] <rtg> apw, there was also a typo; prunt --> prune
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> I tend to be fairly good at fixing lintian errors
[17:00] <rtg> Q-FUNK, thanks, its takes someone with more knowledge of debian policy then I have
[17:40] <apw> rtg, sorry man, that was fail on my part.  it failed to cherry-pick from jaunty, so i hand applied it, badly
[17:41] <rtg> apw, its there now (I think)
[17:42] <apw> rtg ye looks correct now
[17:43] <apw> foolish me, i was doing two things at once in the same tree, the prerelease builder stepped on my toes...
[17:43] <apw> do one thing at once ...
[17:43] <rtg> apw, happens to me all the time.
[17:45] <rtg> apw, I _really_ like uploading from zinc :)
[17:46] <apw> i do all mine from chin, but yes the difference is astounding
[17:46] <rtg> apw, do you do your packaging on chin?
[17:46] <apw> no i mostly do it local, then push the blob to chin in the background
[17:46] <apw> as i often upload it to more than one ppa say
[17:47] <rtg> apw, with the git repo on zinc, its pretty straighforward to just do it from there
[17:47] <apw> are you doing your packaging as well on zinc
[17:47] <apw> yeah thats pertty sensible ... why don't i do that?
[17:47] <rtg> apw, yep, have karmic chroot now
[17:47] <apw> nice
[17:53] <smb> cd ..
[17:55]  * apw eyes a sierra nevada beer ...
[17:56]  * smb has a Baisinger special
[17:57] <smb> rtg, Analizing contents of common packages:
[17:57] <smb> \o/ seems all files are present
[17:57] <rtg> smb, cool.
[17:57] <smb> rtg, This was for jaunty-i386. I want to do amd64, lpia and amrel too and then repeat with a created source package
[17:58] <smb> rtg, but it looks so far quite good
[17:58] <rtg> apw, I'm thinking, that with sufficient care, most of the rules.d files for topic branches could be run directly from debian.master
[17:58] <apw> rtg that seems likely
[17:59] <rtg> smb, I breathlessly await your results. I'm chomping to get on with the LTS backports.
[17:59] <apw> rtg ... once smb is happy i am hoping he will squash the bug fixes so you will have a stack of about 4 patches you need
[17:59] <smb> rtg, I try to make quick. I wanted to go on with jaunty-arm too
[17:59] <apw> with the middle one being a scripted thing
[18:00]  * apw is waiting to do netbook
[18:00] <rtg> apw, I dunno if we'll ever be able to script it entirely. some of these branches are gonna be quite unique.
[18:00] <smb> apw, Maybe you can start of with squashing and sending a sort of pull/review to our list?
[18:01] <apw> smb sure ...
[18:01] <apw> rtg i mean that there is a scripted way to may the base for a branch
[18:01] <apw> as in converting a branch to the method
[18:01] <apw> and a verbial script to make the first entries before customisation for a branch
[18:04] <smb> rtg, btw. I see a linux-mvl-dove_2.6.31-200.2_source.changes for binary NEW for karmic. Is that one you want to be eradicated too?
[18:04] <rtg> smb, yeah, I'm working on the next dove upload
[18:29] <apw> rtg does rfkill userspace remember anything and apply it on boot to your knowledge?
[18:29] <rtg> apw, nope, its possibly stored in BIOS NVRAM or something, but nothing in the driver or userspace
[19:40] <ameno> no vanilla build today?
[22:29] <fabbione> hi guys
[22:30] <fabbione> rtg: ping?