[12:54] <davmor2> cyphermox, cjwatson, FourDollars:  I have issues that you guys can possibly help with.  I'm trying desperately to install 14.04.3 on XPS 13 via USB pen drive.  It installs but when I remove the pendrive for reboot there is no boot option so it just sits there.  I'm trying to install via OEM obviously.  I'll try a fresh go with a standard install and see if it is just an oem issue
[13:06] <cyphermox> davmor2: seems unlikely to be because of oem. what happens when it boots and just sits there? a black screen?
[13:07] <cyphermox> also, did you enable full disk encryption?
[13:09] <davmor2> cyphermox: no to full encryption just a uefi install as that is what it defaults to.  It looks to me like this might be an issue because although uefi is enabled by default secureboot isn't and that might be buggering up the availability of the boot option maybe?  Let me try a legacy install
[13:10] <cyphermox> nah, you should be able to boot uefi even if secureboot isn't enabled, if the bios has both options
[13:12] <davmor2> cyphermox: that's what you'd think right but no, I see the EFI folder on drive FOS iirc I can select any of the .efi files to boot from save that reboot and no change when you hit f2 it takes you back and there is no option saved to boot from
[13:13] <cyphermox> interesting
[13:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: when I reboot is say something like press F1 to retry, F2 to setup or F5 for diagnostics,  I hit F2 and there is no option in the boot menu for Ubuntu
[13:14] <cyphermox> ok, I see
[13:15] <cyphermox> could you try a 14.04.2 image then?
[13:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: look like legacy is working
[13:15] <cyphermox> it would be good to know if it was already broken, or if we broke something with efibootmgr or shim
[13:16] <cyphermox> (kind of late to be finding out though)
[13:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: let me try enabling secureboot and see if installs as expected then, and then I will grab a .2 install and see what happens then
[13:16] <cyphermox> ok
[13:26] <davmor2> cyphermox: okay and now for the bad news, Works with secure boot enabled,  So it is literally not working with the default setup that dell ships the device with,  the only thing I can think of is our setup is only for securebooted systems and not uefi setups  I have a pc that has legacy/uefi setup in a similar way so I might try the same thing there for addition confirmation
[13:28] <cyphermox> well, this sounds like a firmware issue a lot more than something we can fix in our software
[13:28] <cyphermox> one data point to get would be booting the installer in UEFI with secure boot *disabled*, in the live session, then running efibootmgr -v and archdetect
[13:29] <cyphermox> ^ so a bug would have enough information in case there's something we could do in software
[13:29] <davmor2> cyphermox: no worries let me default the bios again and then uefi boot it
[13:30] <cyphermox> ok
[13:36] <davmor2> cyphermox: should efibootmgr be installed by default?
[13:36] <cyphermox> I think it probably should be in the live image, but maybe I'm wrong
[13:37] <davmor2> cyphermox: ah okay so it is on the image but not installed
[13:37] <cyphermox> oh, on the installed system you mean?
[13:37] <davmor2> cyphermox: no I mean on live session,  it was saying no such program
[13:38] <davmor2> cyphermox: I had to apt install it from the image and then it ran
[13:38] <cyphermox> tbh I don't know. I would expect it to be there already because the installer should use it, but maybe it's just installed automatically later
[13:40] <cjwatson> efibootmgr is a dependency of grub-efi-amd64-bin; if that's not installed you have moderately bad problems.
[13:40] <cjwatson> Sounds perhaps like the installer itself wasn't booted in UEFI mode.
[13:41] <cjwatson> Oh, on the live session.  I should learn to read.
[13:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: yes this is in live session, once installed it ran fine
[13:41] <cjwatson> I don't think the installer itself uses efibootmgr, except via grub-install etc. but that's in the installed system.
[13:42] <cjwatson> So this is expected.
[13:43] <cyphermox> aye
[13:43] <cyphermox> davmor2: the really important part is what archdetect says
[13:45] <davmor2> cyphermox: incoming mail
[13:47] <davmor2> cjwatson, cyphermox: the good new is it is on the usb stick as there is no wifi setup, and the secureboot version of uefi setup booted as expected :) Just the non secureboot version that has issues
[13:52] <cyphermox> ugh, so either we broke something which worked in 14.04.2, or the BIOS is lying
[13:53] <cyphermox> in any case, efibootmgr doesn't seem to have added your boot entry
[13:54] <cyphermox> davmor2: since you're in the live session, could you carry on with the 14.04.3 install if it's not too late
[13:55] <cyphermox> and somewhere after the partitioning when it's doing the file copy, run archdetect again?
[13:55] <davmor2> sure
[13:56] <cyphermox> this could be that partman writes a file that archdetect will then read to wrongly conclude you're not on efi after all
[13:56] <davmor2> sure do you want both commands running again or just archdetect
[13:56] <cyphermox> just archdetect is fine
[14:01] <davmor2> cyphermox: still looking the same on file copy and install/setup of files
[14:03] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh insteresting though I now have an ubuntu entry in boot0000* pointing to shimx64.efi
[14:04] <cyphermox> so secureboot must have been on then?
[14:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: and yet on reboot I get No bootable devices found  pressF1 F2 F%
[14:05] <davmor2> F5
[14:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: it hates me :)
[14:05] <cyphermox> quality software.
[14:05] <cyphermox> well, firmware, more likely
[14:06] <cyphermox> please see if we broke it in 14.04.3, by doing an install with secureboot off but using UEFI on 14.04.2
[14:10] <davmor2> cyphermox: will do, it'll take a minute I'll have to grab an image I think]
[14:19] <FourDollars> davmor2: that's a BIOS issue.
[14:22] <FourDollars> davmor2: Touch an empty file "bootx64.efi"under /EFI/boot of /dev/sda1 to workaround the problem.
[14:22] <FourDollars> davmor2: I am still working with the OEM to fix that problem.
[14:23] <davmor2> FourDollars: but the stupid thing is it works fine if I enable secureboot just fails without secureboot which seems really odd :)
[14:36] <davmor2> FourDollars: you sure the touch path is correct I only have EFI/ubuntu
[14:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: for your info 14.04.2 installs and boots with no issues in that same setup
[14:52] <cyphermox> bleh
[14:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: you want another efibootmgr -v from the installed system?
[14:53] <cyphermox> nah
[15:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm just double checking the md5sum on the iso download to make sure it is good
[15:17] <cyphermox> I see no reason to believe it be broken
[15:17] <cyphermox> we might have broken something in changing shim or efibootmgr
[15:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: checksums match
[15:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeah I figured it would be good but also worth a sanity check for certainty :)
[15:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'll put a bug together
[15:20] <cyphermox> k
[15:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1480985 tada I'll let you reassign it to the right package when you figure out what broke and ermmmm you're welcome :)
[15:53] <davmor2> cyphermox: didn't want you getting bored ;)
[15:58] <cyphermox> ah, I wonder too if that could be that things are being installed to the usb drive :/
[15:59] <davmor2> cyphermox: also the install 3rd party apps doesn't install the broadcom wifi driver which then becomes an issue as you can't then install them after as there is no ethernet port on the laptop
[15:59] <cyphermox> have you filed a bug about that one?
[16:00] <cyphermox> and is that different from 14.04.2?
[16:04] <infinity> Oh joy, .3 bugs already?
[16:10] <davmor2> cyphermox: let me reinstall .2
[16:10] <davmor2> infinity: that's what I'm here for
[16:13] <FourDollars> davmor2: Yes, please mkdir /EFI/boot manually.
[16:16] <FourDollars> davmor2: The BIOS will check the existence of /EFI/boot/bootx64.efi for some unknown reason. I am still working with the OEM to fix this problem.
[16:16] <davmor2> FourDollars: right but this works in .2 and doesn't in .3 which is a flaw our end right?
[16:17] <cyphermox> infinity: I'm checking the EFI booting in a VM right now, though that broadcom part sounds like something really broken
[16:18] <FourDollars> davmor2: It's a BIOS issue. I think it should also work for .3.
[16:27] <cyphermox> for some reason grabbing today's image using zsync takes forever over the VPN... and I can't exactly disconnect right now
[16:27] <cyphermox> ah, boo
[16:32] <davmor2> cyphermox: why ah, boo
[16:32] <cyphermox> I disconnected that annoying VPN
[16:45] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh so it looks like the file that FourDollars mentions is the fix if I install from .3 it is not there if I install from .2 it is meh
[16:46] <davmor2> cyphermox: good news no regression, for the wireless driver however it is still broken badly
[16:47] <infinity> Erm, bootx64.efi is there on the *installed* system?
[16:47] <infinity> Isn't that the removable media path?  Pretty sure it shouldn't be there.
[16:47] <infinity> davmor2: Does wily fail on this same laptop?
[16:49] <davmor2> infinity: I can test in a minute
[16:54] <cyphermox> probably would fail, yeah
[16:57] <cyphermox> davmor2: yes I figure the wireless driver is some real oversight
[16:57] <cyphermox> I'll just finish my efi test and then get on with broadcon
[16:57] <davmor2> cyphermox: just thought didn't we have this not install the bcmwl driver before in .2 for the macs and you had to revert something?
[16:58] <davmor2> cyphermox: I guess that only happened on the mac install version of the cd though right?
[16:58] <cyphermox> davmor2: tbh I don't know I fortunately never had to look at bcm* before that much
[16:59] <cyphermox> or at least, not the packaging or how it gets installed
[17:21] <infinity> davmor2: Which list should I mail to hit (community) QA people for point release testing?
[17:21] <infinity> davmor2: About to spin up a bunch of RC images and spam people.
[17:51] <davmor2> infinity: good question let me see which channels I'm on that they normally go out to 1 second
[17:52] <infinity> davmor2: s/channels/mailing lists/
[17:52] <infinity> davmor2: I'm assuming I want ubuntu-quality@
[17:52] <davmor2> infinity: Ubuntu Quality Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:52] <infinity> Check.
[17:53] <infinity> We need a flavour leads alias or something that hits all the leads, so I don't have to worry about if they're subscribed to quality or release or in the right channels.
[17:54] <davmor2> infinity: looks like everyone else organises their own thing,  irc channel wise I would suggest, #xubuntu-devel, #kubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-quality, Not sure about lubuntu but I'm sure they get the message
[17:55] <davmor2> infinity: I assume on #ubuntu-release too
[17:55] <infinity> davmor2: Yeah, I tend to just mail release/quality and hope the word spreads, but if I see a flavour slacking, I'll hunt people down.  Or you can for me. ;)
[17:56] <davmor2> infinity: :)
[18:08] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1481018 this one I think is more major I'm going to add a work around for the dell bug.  It appears that if I add the file FourDollars mentions .3 now boots if I point the ubuntu boot at the shim.efi file
[18:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm just wiping it again to be sure
[18:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: and did you like my little work around for the no wifi that took some doing I can tell you :)
[18:15] <infinity> davmor2: That bootx64.efi thing is confusing me.  Was .2 really setting it up that way, or are we suffering some bad testing science here?
[18:15] <infinity> davmor2: Cause nothing should be setting up files in the removable path.
[18:15] <infinity> davmor2: A previous Windows install might have left cruft there, though.
[18:16] <davmor2> infinity: it's an ubuntu dell there is no windows
[18:17] <infinity> davmor2: Came pre-installed?
[18:17] <davmor2> infinity: yeap
[18:17] <infinity> davmor2: If so, it's possible the preinstall image pulls hacks to make that path be there.
[18:17] <infinity> davmor2: And when you installed .2, you didn't wipe the EFI partition.  But when you installed .3, you did.
[18:17] <infinity> davmor2: That'd be my guess anyway.
[18:17] <infinity> Cause we really, really shouldn't be writing to that path, in any version.
[18:18] <davmor2> infinity: could be.  I set it to wipe the drive and install both times
[18:18] <cyphermox> doesn't appear to be
[18:18] <infinity> Anyhow, I'd like to re-test .2 and confirm, but I doubt this is a regression.
[18:18] <infinity> It's shitty firmware on Dell's part, to be sure, but not a stop the line thing for us if it's not a regression.
[18:20] <davmor2> infinity: the reason I had the xps sent to me is to test 14.04.3 on specifically to stop the line on anything that doesn't work
[18:21] <infinity> davmor2: Understood.  Just saying that if it's not a regression from .2, I don't particularly care, unless we have a paid contract telling us we *must* support it better in .3 than we did in .2.
[18:21] <infinity> davmor2: And if that's the case, OEM really dropped the ball. :P
[18:21] <infinity> Also, it's just plain wrong to write to that path on non-reomvable media, so if we were going to "fix" this, we'd have to special case the fix just for the affected systems, and only if Ubuntu is the only OS installed, blah blah.
[18:21] <infinity> Which is gross on so many levels.
[18:21] <davmor2> infinity: indeed, if it is not our software at all at fault then it is over to FourDollars and beating the oem into submission with a thank you stick
[18:22] <infinity> davmor2: I can definitevely say that if creating that path "fixes" it, it's not our software at fault: their firmware is out of spec.
[18:22] <infinity> But we *could* work around that.
[18:23] <infinity> 3 days before release isn't the time for vendor-specific hacks, though.
[18:23] <infinity> (Unless there's a lot of money changing hands to make that happen, then we can do just about anything... *cough*)
[18:24] <davmor2> infinity: agreed I was testing upgrade the system itself on latest and stuff last week which is when I received the device so to be fair I'm trying my hardest to find faults :)
[18:24] <infinity> davmor2: Yeah, not criticising you here.  Finding faults is your job.  And we appreciate it.  Sort of.  After we're done being annoyed.
[18:24] <davmor2> infinity: and these are the only 2 I've found
[18:25] <infinity> EXPECTED:
[18:25] <infinity> I expect to always be able to get online.
[18:25] <infinity> Hah.
[18:25] <infinity> davmor2: So, this broadcom bug.  The driver *is* there on the install media, and it works?  Your workaround implies that.
[18:25] <infinity> davmor2: So it's just that ubuntu-drivers-common isn't picking up the need for it?
[18:26] <davmor2> infinity: yeap just isn't installed with 3rd party install checked
[18:26] <infinity> davmor2: Except.  It is too, according to your workaround.  Weird.
[18:26]  * infinity wonders how to test this without the hardware.
[18:26] <davmor2> infinity: I can also install in the live cd session too
[18:26] <infinity> davmor2: If you install in the live session, does that persist to the installed system?
[18:27]  * infinity doesn't recall if that's meant to work.
[18:27] <davmor2> infinity: that I haven't tried but I can do that when this disk finished writing
[18:27] <cyphermox> I think maybe in this case we need to know what's the pci ID and everything for that device
[18:27] <infinity> cyphermox: Who is "we"?
[18:27] <infinity> cyphermox: ubuntu-drivers-common is clearly picking it up correctly.
[18:27] <cyphermox> is it, if it's not installing the driver?
[18:28] <infinity> cyphermox: Does ubiquity have its own list of "acceptable 3rd party crap" we need to mess with?
[18:28] <cyphermox> err
[18:28] <infinity> cyphermox: According to his bug report (and here), the "additional drivers" control panel works fine.
[18:28] <infinity> cyphermox: So, ubuntu-drivers-common and the driver package are both working as advertised.
[18:28] <cyphermox> yeah, I see now
[18:29] <davmor2> infinity: I only said I checked the box not that it installed anything additional
[18:29] <infinity> davmor2: Well, it must have done something, if if fixed your issue. ;)
[18:29] <infinity> s/if if/if it/
[18:30] <davmor2> infinity: ah sorry confusing it with the panel in ubiquity for 3rd party drivers, which obviously didn't work
[18:30] <infinity> Is that not the same application?
[18:31] <infinity> I would expect it to be...
[18:31] <cyphermox> ah, I think I see
[18:32] <davmor2> infinity: not that I know to, one is part of ubiquity the other is part of gnome software and sources
[18:32] <cyphermox> ubiquity/nonfree_package
[18:32] <cyphermox> that lists only ubuntu-restricted-addons (on wily at least)
[18:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: and on the image in pool restricted is the broadcom driver and not much else right?
[18:33] <cyphermox> I don't know, let me look
[18:33] <infinity> davmor2: So, this is another "did this work with .2?" question.
[18:34] <davmor2> infinity: the wifi nope
[18:34] <infinity> Okay.  Good.
[18:34] <infinity> I mean, maybe we can fix it anyway, but yay for not a regression.
[18:34] <infinity> cyphermox: Right, I'm seeing the same template.  Now, the question is intent.  Did we ever mean for this to install nonfree *drivers*?
[18:34] <infinity> I vaguely recall conversations around this in the past.
[18:35] <davmor2> infinity: the text says yes
[18:35] <infinity> davmor2: I'm about 99% sure it never worked for nvidia or fglrx either.
[18:35] <infinity> davmor2: Though I can see people wanting to special-case network drivers for chicken and egg reasons.
[18:35] <davmor2> infinity: oh no it only did wifi iirc not gfx
[18:36] <cyphermox> ${RELEASE} uses third-party software to play Flash, MP3 and other media, and
[18:36] <cyphermox>  to work with some graphics and wi-fi hardware. Some of this software is
[18:36] <cyphermox>  proprietary. The software is subject to license terms included with its
[18:36] <cyphermox>  documentation.
[18:36] <cyphermox> that's ubiquity/text/prepare_foss_disclaimer fwiw
[18:36] <cyphermox> which should be the text that shows just before the checkbox
[18:36] <infinity> cyphermox: Yeah, it implies it does things it doesn't do, I agree with that.
[18:37] <infinity> But I'm pretty sure you have to actually use the "additional drivers" dialog to get it to do driver things.
[18:37] <infinity> Cause I don't think we attempt to detect and autoinstall.
[18:37] <davmor2> infinity, cyphermox and it is what you check to install the same driver in mac hardware
[18:38] <infinity> davmor2: Does it do anything on Macs?  That would surprise me.
[18:38] <davmor2> infinity: this is what I asked about earlier in .2 we had to roll something back so it did
[18:41] <infinity> Hrm.  scripts/simple-plugins is curious.
[18:42] <cyphermox> infinity: no, we're not trying to do any kind of detection
[18:42] <cyphermox> oh
[18:42] <infinity> cyphermox: Some of the code kind of implies we want to...
[18:42] <infinity> cyphermox: But I don't see anything *using* ubuntu-drivers to seed that list.
[18:43] <infinity> Oh, I'm misreading that.
[18:44] <infinity> That creates a list, it doesn't read one.
[18:44] <infinity> So... What reads it? :P
[18:44] <cyphermox> this looks beyond broken to me
[18:45] <infinity> cyphermox: It looks like we create a list of drivers that ubuntu-drivers *would* install, then we do nothing with it.
[18:45] <cyphermox> where do you see that?
[18:46] <cyphermox> nevermind
[18:46] <cyphermox> yeah, it probably should append that to nonfree_package
[18:46] <infinity> Well, maybe.
[18:47] <infinity> It would also auto install video drivers, which we've not done before.
[18:47] <cyphermox> yes
[18:47] <infinity> Which the text implies we might do, but I'm not sure if that's a sane change to make.
[18:47] <cyphermox> it's a pretty intrusive change, that's for sure
[18:48] <cyphermox> trying to figure out what uses that file
[18:48] <infinity> Anyhow, I'm pretty sure this also isn't a regression, so I'm not sure trying to hack a fix under pressure will be a win.
[18:48] <cyphermox> ubuntu-drivers postinst maybe?
[18:49] <infinity> Not that I see.  And that wouldn't run anyway, it's already installed.
[18:49] <cyphermox> hm, true
[18:50] <infinity> It's possible some higher level tool like software-properties tries to read it on startup and offer you defaults?  I dunno.
[18:51] <davmor2> infinity: livecd session drivers are not transferred to the install :(
[18:52] <cyphermox> I'm not sure what's the right way to handle this
[18:52] <davmor2> infinity: so I added FourDollars EFI/boot/bootx64.efi and now .3 is working as expected
[18:52] <infinity> ubiquity/target-config/31ubuntu_driver_packages:PKGLIST=/run/ubuntu-drivers.autoinstall
[18:52] <infinity> From ubuntu-drivers-common
[18:53] <infinity> cyphermox: So, it looks like ubuntu-drivers-common drops ubiquity hook that's meant to make this work.
[18:54] <infinity> Beyond that, I think we need to do some live system testing.
[18:55] <infinity> davmor2: Can you boot into a live system, start ubiquity, get past the "I hate my freedom" prompt, and then check the contents of /run/ubuntu-drivers.autoinstall ?
[18:55] <davmor2> infinity: I can give me 5
[18:56] <infinity> I guess I should look at the trusty versions of this, instead of trying to debug trusty with wily. :P
[18:58] <davmor2> infinity: oh so it did keep my connection details from the live session it just couldn't use them because there was no driver to power the wifi,  will reboot into live session now and get back to you
[18:58] <infinity> davmor2: Okay, that only sounds half broken at least. ;)
[19:01] <davmor2> infinity: no such file
[19:03] <infinity> davmor2: Cute.
[19:03] <infinity> davmor2: Can you run "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall --package-list" at the command line?
[19:04] <infinity> Err, that needs a path argument, I guess.
[19:04] <davmor2> infinity: it does
[19:05] <infinity> Gah.
[19:05] <infinity> Running it on my laptop actually installed things.
[19:05] <infinity> That was... Unexpected.
[19:06] <infinity> Oh, maybe that's what it's meant to do.  Install in the live system, *and* write a package list for the installed system.
[19:06] <infinity> davmor2: So, yeah.  "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall --package-list foo"
[19:07] <infinity> davmor2: And see if it does anything.
[19:07] <infinity> davmor2: As root.
[19:07] <infinity> davmor2: "ubuntu-drivers list" and "ubuntu-drivers devices" would also be interesting.
[19:08] <davmor2> infinity: Okay that is weird I added foo and I got No drivers found for automatic installation
[19:08] <infinity> davmor2: Okay, so that's the real problem here.
[19:09] <infinity> davmor2: "ubuntu-drivers devices" would give you a similarly empty list, I'm guessing.
[19:09] <davmor2> infinity: hahahahaha
[19:09] <infinity> Hahahaha?
[19:09] <davmor2> infinity: ubuntu-drivers list show bcmwl-kernel-source
[19:10] <infinity> ...
[19:10] <infinity> Things made sense until you said that.
[19:10] <infinity> Unless autoinstall already ran earlier.
[19:10] <infinity> And installed that.
[19:10] <infinity> Is it currently installed?
[19:11] <davmor2> infinity: ubuntu-drivers devices show the broadcom driver, mod alias vendor model and driver
[19:11] <infinity> davmor2: dpkg -l bcmwl-kernel-source?
[19:11]  * infinity downloads an image and tries to think about how to spoof this.
[19:12] <davmor2> infinity: dpkg-query: no packages found matching bcmwl-kernel-source
[19:13] <infinity> davmor2: apt-cache policy bcmwl-kernel-source
[19:13] <infinity> davmor2: Does it exist at all, from our POV?
[19:13] <davmor2> infinity: <IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu2
[19:14] <davmor2> infinity: installed None candidate ^
[19:14] <infinity> WTF.
[19:15] <infinity> So, ubiquity isn't obviously doing anything wrong here, but ubuntu-drivers-common seems very confused.
[19:15] <infinity> And an annoying chicken and egg thing here where if I asked you to get me SSH on the machine, you'd have to install the wireless driver first, which would eliminate the situation wherein I can investigate the bug. :P
[19:15] <davmor2> infinity: do you use a mac at all?
[19:16] <infinity> davmor2: I live and die by Thinkpads.
[19:16] <infinity> davmor2: Cause they actually work.
[19:16] <davmor2> infinity: I was going to test on mac if you had one and see if that had the same issues, I assume it will
[19:16] <infinity> davmor2: I don't suppose you own a USB ethernet dongle?
[19:16] <davmor2> infinity: I love my ideapad :)
[19:17] <davmor2> infinity: I don't however I have 2 laptop and an sdcard give 5
[19:18] <infinity> davmor2: Yeah, what I was hoping for was a network on the XPS13 that isn't the wireless, so I can investigate the wireless detection issue in a pristine setting.
[19:18] <infinity> (PS: USB ethernet dongles are dirt cheap and super useful for this kind of thing, you should ask Amazon for one for your birthday)
[19:20] <davmor2> infinity: it's like you knew it was my birthday this Sunday
[19:20] <infinity> It's your birthday every day, according to online retailers.
[19:21] <davmor2> infinity: :)
[19:21] <infinity> I should probably replace my ancient 10Mbit USB ethernet with something faster and more fancy.  But this one has the advantage of working out of the box with every kernel since the dawn of time.
[19:23] <davmor2> infinity: http://www.amazon.co.uk/HooToo%C2%AE-Gigabit-Ethernet-Converter-Support/dp/B00HWMP9FA/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1438629744&sr=8-8&keywords=usb+ethernet hmmmmmm
[19:24] <infinity> davmor2: I'd probably do a tiny bit of research on chipset and such to make sure whatever you get is supported out of the box.
[19:24] <infinity> davmor2: And if speed isn't a concern, I'd bet the USB2 10/100 ones are more likely to Just Work than the USB3 GigE ones.
[19:24] <infinity> (Also, the 10/100 ones are, like, 10 bucks...)
[19:25] <davmor2> infinity: indeed I just like the thought of having a hub 2 2 birds 1 usb device :)
[19:26] <infinity> Anyhow, ISO downloaded, let's see if I can dream up a clever way to mock up your issue here without the hardware.
[19:26] <infinity> And I should build RC ISOs and tell other people to test, I geuss.
[19:27] <infinity> If we're fixing this bug, it's not going to be in the next 10 minutes.
[19:29] <davmor2> infinity: I have a cunning plan give me 5
[19:33] <infinity> davmor2: Should I be scared?
[19:34] <davmor2> infinity: Toykeeper has a different one to me but it has the same chipset, but she doesn't have usb ethernet either :(
[19:39] <infinity> davmor2: I'm very confused that "list" shows it and "autoinstall" does nothing.
[19:40] <infinity> davmor2: On a fresh boot to live (don't run ubiquity), can you just capture the output (all as root) "ubuntu-drivers list" "ubuntu-drivers devices" and "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" somewhere?
[19:40] <davmor2> infinity: oh I wonder if it was because I had already run the 3rd party software page, let me reboot and see what it says before that page
[19:40] <davmor2> hahaha
[19:49] <davmor2> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11995460/
[19:50] <infinity> davmor2: And 'apt-cache policy bcmwl-kernel-source' at that point?
[19:50] <infinity> And also, WTF.
[19:50] <infinity> Maybe autoinstall in trusty just doesn't work.
[19:50] <infinity> Works great in wily, I just installed intel-microcode by accident.
[19:51] <davmor2> infinity: it did in .2 on the macs with broadcom at least
[19:52] <infinity> davmor2: Well, unless the package isn't available at that point, or ubuntu-drivers-common is fundamentally broken in trusty, I can't see how it would say "there's a driver available" and then "there's no driver, lolz".
[19:52] <infinity> But maybe I can mock this up based on seeing that output.
[19:53] <davmor2> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11995481/
[19:55] <infinity> davmor2: Bizarre.  And I assume "apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source" installs that CD version?
[19:56] <davmor2> infinity: almost certainly want me to try it?
[19:56] <davmor2> infinity: it's not like it is connecting to the net after all ;)
[19:56] <infinity> davmor2: Yeah, give it a spin.
[20:00] <davmor2> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11995538/
[20:01] <infinity> Hrmph.
[20:33] <infinity> Sonofa.
[20:34] <infinity> davmor2: ubuntu-drivers autoinstall worked just fine for my nvidia machine.  Argh.
[20:34] <davmor2> infinity: so just hates dell then
[20:35] <infinity> I wonder if it's cause you're missing the "recommended" string there.  How does that get appended, I wonder.
[20:36] <infinity> Oh, no, that only exists for nvidia/fglrx to handle multiple versions.
[20:36] <davmor2> infinity: ha I have a cunning plan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKRxX3s3JlM
[20:37] <infinity> davmor2: I was assuming that would be a video of me slamming my head into a wall.
[20:38] <infinity> davmor2: I do miss when Atkinson was known for biting sarcasm instead of silly physical comedy, though.  Mr Bean completely ruined him. :/
[20:40] <infinity> davmor2: Balls.  Found the bug.
[20:41] <infinity> davmor2: Now to understand why the bug was introduced...
[20:57] <davmor2> infinity: see pm


[08:29] <Fudge> will raring be any good?
[09:15] <AlanBell> Fudge: not sure yet, I got through the installer a few weeks ago but I don't know how good the desktop is
[09:15] <Fudge> downloading it
[09:30] <seigon> how is the accessibiloty of ubuntu 12.10?
[10:18] <Fudge> seigon  I had it on my netbook and found it annoying, especially in the task switcher
[10:19] <Fudge> loads fast though


[00:11] <mitaka> hello world
[00:12] <valorie> hello mitaka
[01:45] <RoadRunner> is it possible to get Krusader to display directory structure in a panel as a tree?
[01:55] <RoadRunner> also, Ctrl + arrow makes a directory in one panel display its files in another; is there a way to make that a "sticky" ie: to turn that mode on for all selected directories rather than having to do it for each one separately?
[03:43] <Dylan____> Hey guys i got a question will my macbook run kubuntu 14.04?
[03:53] <jimtendo> Hey guys, I've noticed that the Qt 5.5 release date was 1st July 2015 and that Kubuntu 15.10 is still on Qt 5.4. Just curious, is there a reason for this? If so, is there any date estimate as to when Kubuntu 15.10 will package Qt 5.5?
[04:15] <Dylan____> Trying to get wifi working on macbook pro 7,1 how can i please im installed this from a bootable dvd
[04:16] <yue> jimtendo: since 15.10 already released, I don't think there will be an upgrade in official kubuntu ppa
[04:16] <Dylan____> And also i get a error cannot satisfy dependices
[04:16] <yue> that ppa usually only has kde upgrades
[04:17] <Dylan____> Anyone help me??
[04:18] <yue> what dependency issue?
[04:19] <Dylan____> Dkms
[04:19] <yue> Dylan____: for wifi issue you can take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro7,1#Network
[04:19] <Dylan____> Cause i need to install my bmcwl driver for my mac
[04:20] <yue> are you installing a deb package manually?
[04:21] <Dylan____> Im installing it these through the dvd that i have for installing kubuntu
[04:21] <Dylan____> So it comes with the debs
[04:21] <Dylan____> I just cant install them though
[04:22] <yue> you can add the dvd as a repo in muon then install the package through apt-get it should handle dependencies for you
[04:22] <Dylan____> Ok
[04:22] <Dylan____> How do i do that?
[04:22] <yue> not sure how to do that, i'm an archlinux user
[04:22] <Dylan____> Hmm
[04:22] <Dylan____> Ok
[04:24] <Dylan____> Thanks for your help i had to enable all the repos
[04:25] <Dylan____> :D
[05:19] <valorie> jimtendo: Ubuntu packages Qt, rather than us
[05:20] <valorie> however sometimes we put newer versions of Qt in a PPA because Plasma for instance runs better with a newer Qt than ubuntu supplies
[05:20] <valorie> that won't happen for 15.10 which goes eol in ~6 months
[05:21] <valorie> our work now is focussed on getting the LTS ready for April (16.04)
[05:21] <valorie> Qt 6 is a question mark right now
[05:31] <androclus> hey, all.. i just upgraded to Kubuntu 15.10 (fresh install).. but now no sound (I did have it before on KXStudio distro) ..
[05:31] <androclus> can anyone help me?
[05:32] <androclus> i've tried removing/purging alsa-base and pulseaudio packages
[05:32] <androclus> and re-installing them..
[05:33] <androclus> aplay -l  and lspci do show i have audio devices
[05:33] <androclus> but in my kde System Settings -> Multimedia, for audio devices, it just says, "Default"
[05:40] <valorie> !sound
[05:40] <valorie> androclus: one of those has a really good checklist
[05:41] <valorie> what I've usually found is that something is muted somewhere
[05:41] <valorie> and alsamixer is a good way to find that
[05:41] <valorie> !info alsamixer
[05:42] <valorie> ubottu: it's part of something else, only I can't remember the name
[05:42] <valorie> alsautils or something
[05:43] <androclus> hmm.. okay, thanks, i will check those
[05:43] <androclus> i already seem to have alsamixer installed, which is good
[05:44] <valorie> veromix applet can help too
[05:44] <valorie> controls pulseaudio, if that's where something is muted
[05:45] <androclus> hmm... interesting.. running pacmd results in "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon."
[05:46] <androclus> hah, veromix installed. starting it up just results in a blank window
[05:48] <valorie> androclus: `apt-cache policy pulseaudio` from the commandline please
[05:48] <valorie> don't paste in the result, just -- is it installed?
[05:49] <valorie> androclus: in alsamixer, M means muted
[05:50] <valorie> you use your arrow keys to move about
[05:50] <androclus> sorry, guys (gals?) .. pulseaudio was not running (for some reason?) still not sound, but at least i got it started ("pulseaudio --start")
[05:51] <androclus> valorie: the apt-cache command results in:
[05:51] <androclus> pulseaudio:
[05:51] <androclus>   Installed: 1:6.0-0ubuntu13
[05:51] <androclus>   Candidate: 1:6.0-0ubuntu13
[05:51] <androclus>   Version table:
[05:51] <androclus>  *** 1:6.0-0ubuntu13 0
[05:53] <androclus> yes, installed
[05:54] <androclus> i have two devices, both HDA Intel (one HDMI, one PCH)
[05:55] <androclus> the PCH does give alsamixer sound levels.. but still not hearing anything
[05:55] <androclus> nothing muted in alsamixer
[05:57] <valorie> boo
[05:58] <androclus> yeah..
[05:58] <valorie> well, work through those two links ubottu gave you earlier
[05:58] <valorie> these days, sound usually Just Works
[05:59] <valorie> so much better than the old days
[06:01] <androclus> yeah.. agreed. but that is why i am sort of surprised it doesn't.. this (Kubuntu 15.10) is the third ubuntu i've had installed on this laptop, but the first one that sound didn't work on.. hmmm...
[06:03] <valorie> hmmm
[06:06] <androclus> just wondering.. is there anything under my HOME dir, that could be confusing pulse or also, from a previous distro?
[06:06] <valorie> shouldn't be
[06:06] <valorie> however, you can test that by making a new user, and logging into it, and testing your sound there
[06:06] <androclus> yes.. i will give that a shot..
[06:06] <androclus> brb
[06:46] <MichaelTun> anyone know why Kubuntu would show a black screen after clicking the Try button?
[06:47] <MichaelTun> that's all it does
[06:49] <MichaelTun> AMD Athlon 64 4050e, NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE, 3GB RAM
[06:49] <MichaelTun> it boots to the point where it asks for try or install and when you choose try it just swaps to a black screen and does nothing else regardless of how long you wait
[06:56] <valorie> this is the liveUSB/DVD, MichaelTun?
[06:56] <valorie> I wonder if the image was a good one
[06:57] <valorie> you might try verifying the image
[06:57] <valorie> !md5
[06:57] <hateball> !nomodeset | MichaelTun
[06:59] <valorie> ah, I forgot about that
[06:59] <valorie> thanks, hateball
[07:13] <MichaelTun> valorie: liveusb
[07:14] <MichaelTun> hateball: forgot about that thanks
[07:14] <valorie> I would verify the write for starters
[07:21] <MichaelTun> valorie: where is the md5 hash, all I could find was the sha256
[07:22] <valorie> did you read the link ubottu gave you?
[07:26] <MichaelTun> valorie: lets pretend I did and ignore my previous question
[07:27]  * MichaelTun just found them in the hashes page
[07:29] <valorie> lol
[08:40] <Cassandre> hello i'd like some help
[08:41] <soee> !ask
[08:41] <Cassandre> how to boot with usb with kubuuntu ?
[08:41] <valorie> Cassandre: you have burned an ISO onto a USB?
[08:41] <Cassandre> i'd like to install windows with a live-usb, but i don't know how to boot on my live usb :/
[08:41] <valorie> windows?
[08:43] <valorie> we can help you install or run Kubuntu from a liveUSB
[08:43] <valorie> but we can't help you install windows
[08:43] <Cassandre> yes i removed windows partition by installing kubuntu... and i'd like a dual boot. So, i'd like to install Windows again, and then install kubuntu, but without removing windows partition !
[08:43] <Cassandre> yes i know
[08:43] <Cassandre> my only question is : how to boot on a live usb on kubuntu
[08:44] <valorie> in general, you have to modify the "boot order" of your computer
[08:44] <valorie> during the login, what works for me is pressing escape multiple times until I get a menu that lets me set that
[08:44] <Cassandre> in the bios ?
[08:44] <valorie> yes
[08:45] <Cassandre> ok I'll try !
[08:45] <Cassandre> thanks a lot
[08:45] <valorie> tricky to get the computer to listen
[08:45] <valorie> sometimes it takes a few resets
[08:45] <valorie> but it always eventually works
[08:45] <valorie> best of luck, Cassandre
[08:45] <Cassandre> thanks valorie
[08:48] <MichaelTunnell> !patience
[08:48] <MichaelTunnell> might be worth adding askubuntu.com to the patience response
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:41] <Yossarianuk> morning
[12:25] <z4sk4> hi all
[12:26] <z4sk4> i try test kubuntu 16.04 on Vbox, but i have an error when i try install with ubiquity
[12:28] <z4sk4> somebody install it? or only see on live CD
[12:28] <hateball> !+1 | z4sk4
[12:28] <hateball> come on :|
[12:28] <hateball> !ubuntu+1
[12:28] <hateball> There we go...
[12:31] <z4sk4> ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:32] <soee> i think there is some know bug in ubiquity atm.
[12:32] <z4sk4> soee: but on ubuntu ubiquity dont fails :S
[12:32] <z4sk4> is strange
[14:10] <BluesKaj> RansomTime,  so you have a desktop . is it working ok ?
[14:10] <RansomTime> Seems to be
[14:10] <RansomTime> I haven't tried switching to tty yet, but everything seems to be working smoothly
[14:11] <RansomTime> Noticed when I shutdown that I have to press the power button myself. That just a thing I'll have to get used to?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> what about the terminal , can you update and upgrade ok ..there are a few glitches withg plasma 5 if you're on 15.04 or 15..10
[14:13] <RansomTime> ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade if that's what you mean
[14:14] <BluesKaj> RansomTime, yes
[14:14] <RansomTime> seems fine. I assume I'm on 15.10, downloaded the latest .torrent
[14:16] <BluesKaj> ok run lsb_release -a in the terminal to determine your version
[14:17] <RansomTime> yeah 15.10
[14:17] <BluesKaj> RansomTime, check my pm
[14:23] <RansomTime> Ok more weirdness
[14:24] <RansomTime> My WiFi is in state "down" since reboot
[14:24] <soee> is it enabled and password provided ?
[14:26] <mparillo> I have had my WiFi just give up. I tried the usual things, and have two suggestions. Use the physical switch if you have one, or the keyboard control to turn it off and back on. Second thing that I have had to resort to is to delete the WiFi connection and add a new owe.
[14:26] <RansomTime> It's down in ipconfig. Nor sure how to bring up
[14:26] <BluesKaj> run ip addr
[14:27] <BluesKaj> if/iwconfig isd depracated
[14:28] <RansomTime> So no way to bring it up?
[14:29] <RansomTime> There's no physical switch as far as I can see
[14:29] <BluesKaj> did you run, ip addr ?
[14:29] <RansomTime> Yes
[14:29] <RansomTime> State DOWN
[14:30] <Smurphy> RansomTime: Did you disable the interface (laptop -> special Key/Button)?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> disconnect the ethernet cable if that's how you're connected atm
[14:30] <RansomTime> Not connected at all. On my phone
[14:31] <RansomTime> Smurphy: no. The only button is a flight mode.  I'm not sure if it even did anything
[14:35] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: It was simple political actionism, to show "our leaders" are doing something.
[14:35] <Smurphy> That it was alwasy stupid, nobody cared.
[14:35] <Smurphy> When you stop it, wait 30secs, then enable it again.
[14:37] <RansomTime> Well, a reboot solved
[14:37] <RansomTime> I'm fairly sure the "airplane mode" is a soft button that doesn't do anything apart from tell windows
[14:38] <soee> ?
[14:38] <soee> tell windows
[14:38] <soee> ?
[14:38] <RansomTime> the airplane button on my laptop. I don't think it actually does anything to turn off the hardware, just sends a signal that windows picks up to disable the devices
[14:39] <soee> you are on windows ?
[14:39] <RansomTime> because after the reboot I've hit it a couple of times just to try and it doesn't turn wifi off
[14:39] <RansomTime> No
[14:39] <RansomTime> It's doing nothing on Linux, that's my point
[14:40] <RansomTime> sorry if I'm not making sense here
[14:40] <soee> well on Plasma if you open NM widget and acrivate Flight mode, you will see that wifi butons gets disabled
[14:43] <yofel> if it does nothing then that's probably a bug in the kernel. Those buttions are supposed to trigger the soft rfkill switch.
[14:43] <yofel> But yeah, some hardware not being supported is usual
[14:44] <BluesKaj> RansomTime,  which wifi chip ?
[14:47] <RansomTime> 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)
[14:48] <hateball> 7260 works fine on 15.10 and its kernel
[14:48] <hateball> At least that is the case for me
[14:49] <hateball> but them there buttons are a different beast, they may be sending ACPI commands that the linux kernel does not support
[14:50] <hateball> So lets say if you disable wifi in windows, you might be unable to enable it again in Linux without much headache
[14:50] <RansomTime> The weird thing is I didn't touch it
[14:50] <hateball> Perhaps I misunderstood the issue at hand
[14:51] <RansomTime> I still have a windows install to hand for gaming, trying to use linux for daily tasks because it's nicer
[14:51] <hateball> Depending on what you play, plenty of games are on Linux
[14:52] <hateball> But that's !ot
[14:53] <BluesKaj> you can ask which games run on kubuntu , why would that be ot? :-)
[14:53] <RansomTime> Hrm, apparently GW2 works
[14:55] <hateball> RansomTime: Plenty of games have native versions. If you play through Steam you can just install the native client and see how much of your library is available
[14:55] <soee> cs:go, l4d, deadfall, doat2, stronghold3, serioussam3,  etc. etc. :)
[14:55]  * hateball has some 180 native games, only plays on Kubuntu :)
[14:58] <RansomTime> Yeah. About 1/3 of my library
[14:59] <RansomTime> Hrm. Still getting WiFi problems. I'll see if I can find an external one I'm using with something else
[15:00] <hateball> I don't recall having to do anything at all, my 7260 works excellent. It's not in a laptop however
[15:02] <RansomTime> This laptop has had some weird issues
[16:01] <only1dcb> Good morning all, I am having difficulty mapping my ASUS U36SD's keyboard in Kubuntu 15.10.  Does anyone have the time to help me out?
[16:11] <Gary-007> Hey
[16:37] <dark-reader> Hi
[16:37] <dark-reader> I've a problem: after the boot I can see the loading bar of KDE but after all I see is a black screen with the cursor
[16:38] <dark-reader> If you kindly could help me...
[16:38] <dark-reader> When I type in the command line "startkde" the error I get is "$Display is not set or cannot connect to the X server"
[16:42] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, type startx
[16:43] <dark-reader> The result is black screen and working cursor
[16:46] <dark-reader> BluesKaj now after the reboot, the window of a program appeared. It's a program set to start automatically
[16:49] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, the window of a program? at what point in the boot sequence
[16:49] <dark-reader> After the loading bar of kubuntu
[16:50] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, but the desktop is still black, no clock bar... And I can't run the terminal
[16:50] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, ctl+alt +F1, login then do, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[16:53] <Smurphy> dark-reader: Anything you did before that happened ? Eventuallally you want to check on the console if all updates are loaded
[16:53] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, thank you. I'm trying. I'll let you know
[16:53] <Smurphy> Ah - ok, BluesKaj was faster :D
[16:53] <dark-reader> Smurphy I was reading a pdf lol
[16:54] <Smurphy> and then ?
[16:54] <Smurphy> Screen went dark ?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, any F key from F1  to F6
[16:56] <dark-reader> Smurphy the clock bar disappeared and the deskyop went black as well
[16:56] <dark-reader> BluesKaj i get some errors and I'm not able to update && upgrade
[16:58] <Smurphy> dark-reader: Which reader did you use ?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, is this a clean install or release-upgrade via the internet?
[17:00] <dark-reader> Smurphy, Mupdf
[17:00] <Smurphy> what is that ???
[17:00] <Smurphy> Never heard of it. Why not using Okular ?
[17:00] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, it's like I have no internet
[17:01] <dark-reader> BluesKaj maybe because the kdewallet is unlocked only after the log in?
[17:02] <dark-reader> Smurphy I like exploring new horizons xD
[17:03] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, kwallet is fixed, so even if it's disabled you should have a desktop
[17:04] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, I have black desktop at the moment but I can open Dolphin through the program (team viewer) that automatically starts
[17:05] <Smurphy> dark-reader: You sure it's not just a black page, and you're in full-screen mode ???
[17:05] <Smurphy> When in X, hit F11 :}
[17:05] <BluesKaj> no wallpaper  ;-)
[17:06] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, Smurphy, I'm stupid but not on that level xD When I type in the command line "startkde" the error I get is "$Display is not set or cannot connect to the X server"
[17:07] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, which gpu ?
[17:09] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, Intel integrated GPU
[17:13] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:14] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: If it was working before, that should not be the issue.
[17:15] <genii> "cannot connect to X server" makes it sound as if X isn't even there
[17:15] <BluesKaj> I assumed this was a recent installation, not just broken due to using the wrong pdf reader
[17:16] <dark-reader> BluesKaj Smurphy, I don't know if it can help but the Alt + Tab command shows the lateral bar with the open windows
[17:16] <rattking> anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[17:16] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, it's not a recent installation, I've been using it since November.
[17:18] <Smurphy> dark-reader: What you can also do, is on the console, just start X -> X
[17:18] <Smurphy> If the X-Server configuration works, it will at least show you the X Screen.
[17:18] <Smurphy> If not, check out the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file - the content should tell you if it is a X or a Plasma/KDE problem.
[17:19] <Smurphy> dark-reader: Ah - try starting the plasma desktop again -> can you still do a: Alt-F2 ?
[17:20] <Smurphy> Alternative is, go down to the console again: Alt-F1, and: DISPLAY=:0 kstart plasma-desktop
[17:20] <Smurphy> Should restart it.
[17:20] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I checked the log, not even an error
[17:21] <Smurphy> ok, go down to the Console with Alt-F1, and start plasma-desktop manually again.
[17:21] <Smurphy> the DISPLAY=:0 is the Display env.
[17:21] <Smurphy> telling kstart where to actually display/.start the plasma desktop on.
[17:22] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I get "kstart: cannot connect to X server"
[17:23] <Smurphy> that's bullshit. You running on X or Wayland ?
[17:23] <Smurphy> :}
[17:23] <Smurphy> try DISPLAY=:0.0 instead
[17:25] <dark-reader> Smurphy, now the error is "kstart(3044) main: Omitting both --window and --windowclass argument is not recommended
[17:25] <Smurphy> ah, ok so the Display variable is :0.0
[17:26] <Smurphy> Got back to your Session -> Alt-F7 (usually)
[17:26] <Smurphy> and see if you can do something.
[17:27] <dark-reader> Smurphy, done. Yes, I can see the windows but no clock bar, no desktop, no icons, widget... And I can't open KConsole using the keyboard
[17:27] <Smurphy> So Plasma is not running. Try to logout.
[17:28] <Smurphy> And log back in after...
[17:28] <Smurphy> to see if it fixes it,
[17:28] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I can't take screenshots as well
[17:29] <dark-reader> I logged in and Gwenview appeared without any reasons xD
[17:33] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I'm rebooting again. Maybe I can try to connect to the wifi using the command line and try sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:34] <RA_> hi
[17:34] <Smurphy> dark-reader: yeah. may work.
[17:51] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I am not able to connect to the wifi. I don't know what to do lol
[17:51] <dark-reader> Smurphy, it gives me error "SET failed on device wlan0; invalid argunent"
[17:57] <Smurphy> dark-reader: You got ethernet on that device ?
[17:57] <dark-reader> Smurphy, I've just finished the sudo apt upgrade. Nothing changed
[17:59] <kais3n> Hello, I have some "problems" with kubuntu 15.10 and boottime. Kubuntu starts quite fast until i get the user login prompt. After I enter user credentials the bar finished also fast but at the end I have to wait 20-30sec and it seems nothing happen. I reinstall the system and I also have this on to different machines. Normally with other xubuntu systems they boot quite fast
[17:59] <kais3n> I'm not shure where I can start to search, a hint would be grate
[18:03] <dark-reader> Smurphy, now when typing "startkde" in the terminal i get "Kde seems to be already running on this display". So i guess it's a plasma-related problem, doesn't it?
[18:10] <Smurphy> dark-reader: Alt-F7 - check it out
[18:12] <dark-reader> Smurphy, same situation: I can open windows but no clock bar, no widgets, no desktop, nk working shortcuts...
[18:19] <BluesKaj> dark-reader, how did you install kubuntu, which method ?
[18:20] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, in dual-boot mode with Windows 10.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> ok, but clean or via internet release-upgrade
[18:21] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> in other words do you have a recovery kernel in grub, which may be of some benefit to your situation
[18:24] <dark-reader> Via internet release-upgrade
[18:25] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, i think that I'll install XFCE and abandon KDE, I've exams now and not much time xD
[18:25] <BluesKaj> ok , then try the recovery kernel and repair broken packages in the dialog with internet enabled
[18:27] <dark-reader> BluesKaj, I will try this night. I'd want to thank you and Smurphy. I own you a beer guys
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL
[21:21] <Pinkamena_D> I have accidentally removed dolphin, and when I put it back, 'gwenview' is still the default file manager for all users. How can I switch the default back to dolphin?
[21:22] <soee> System Settings -> Applications [File Manager]
[21:23] <Pinkamena_D> Ok, that fixes one user at a time, how can I make it apply for newly created users too?
[23:13] <villalobos> hello
[23:14] <villalobos> hi
[23:18] <villalobos> hi?


[03:01] <ChogyDan> systemd, is it possible to start playing with it on *buntu yet?
[07:32] <kblin> morning folks
[07:32] <kblin> seems like my network manager keeps breaking my WIFI connection
[07:35] <kblin> it claims to be connected, but I can't get packets out, and "kill $(ps ax | grep " NetworkManager" | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $1}')" fixes it
[08:35] <randomcpp> Hi, does anybody know how I can disable ctrl+space shortcut in trusty? this shortcut shows a small window with the available keyboard layouts
[08:35] <randomcpp> in settings>keyboard>shortcut this shortcut is not listed
[10:07] <randomcpp> ok solved
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:48] <codfather>  A quick question about SPICE support in 14.04 - is it going to be improved over that which was provided with 12.04?
[13:41] <raid1ubuntu> this channel is only for ubuntu 14.04?
[13:41] <raid1ubuntu> ubuntu server setup failed to install GRUB on my raid 1  /dev/md126
[13:43] <raid1ubuntu> is this generally possible on a raid1 array?
[13:45] <jpds> raid1ubuntu: Yes, it's only for 14.04, server stuff tends to go in #ubuntu-server.
[13:46] <raid1ubuntu> i am using 14.04 ubuntu server x64
[13:46] <raid1ubuntu> and have trouble in setup when installing grub
[13:47] <raid1ubuntu> i want to boot from raid1 using grub, is this generally possible, or do i have to select one of the disks of the array for this?
[13:49] <raid1ubuntu> jpds: is this the correct channel for me or should i better ask in the server channel
[13:49] <raid1ubuntu> ?
[13:49] <jpds> No, this is correct.
[13:49] <jpds> I just generally use hardware RAID myself, so can't help.
[13:51] <raid1ubuntu> ok
[14:16] <codfather> Asked earlier - anyone? -  A quick question about SPICE support in 14.04 - is it going to be improved over that which was provided with 12.04?
[14:17] <codfather> This is specific regard to KVM virtual machines
[14:28] <philinux> codfather;~ if no one responds you might have better luck here > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:51] <pietro10> Hi. Trying to cross-compile a 32-bit gtk program on 64-bit Ubuntu. I installed gcc/g++-multilib, both 32-bit and 64-bit libgtk-3-0 packages, and libgtk-3-dev, and passed -m32 to CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, and LDFLAGS, however linking still can't find any of the GTK+ libraries. I do not get any messages about incompatible library versions, only that it could not find any of the GTK+ libraries. What can I do to fix this? Thanks.
[20:27] <attrapereves> Hi, after an update this morning, I am unable to open firefox or chrome. I am getting a segmentation fault error. Any tips?
[20:32] <echostorm209> Any way to install 14.04 without usb or dvd? Unetbootin doesn't seem to work for me.
[20:33] <rww> are you using Linux or Windows right now?
[20:33] <attrapereves> echostorm209, I've installed it using a PXE server, but it takes some set up.
[20:33] <echostorm209> I'm running win7
[20:33] <rww> Do you have a Linux computer handy?
[20:35] <qengho> echostorm209: what other IO do you have?  If you didn't have Win7 on it now, how would you get it on there?
[20:36] <qengho> echostorm209: what other IO do you have?  If you didn't have Win7 on it now, how would you get it on there?
[20:36] <qengho> attrapereves: "$ sudo dpkg --configure -a" to make sure everything is set up.
[20:37] <echostorm209_> I have no clue, I have a seperate ext4 partition, I want to  multiboot
[20:38] <qengho> echostorm209, hrm.  Run the ISO in a virtual machine that has that partition available, install to that?
[20:39] <qengho> Just an idea. May not work.
[20:44] <attrapereves> qengho, I am getting the following error when trying to launch firefox
[20:45] <attrapereves> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[20:45] <attrapereves> Segmentation fault
[20:48] <qengho> attrapereves: No idea. Did the installer tell you to reboot?
[20:48] <echostorm209> No, it said it needed to unmount /cdrom but once I hit "continue" it hangs
[20:49] <attrapereves> qengho, This error happened after I performed an apt-get upgrade this morning.
[20:56] <qengho> attrapereves: hangs?  What hangs?
[22:36] <hippiehunter_> in my 14.04 server im having an awful time trying to get anything that uses rpcbind to work, /etc/services is the default and has all of the services im trying to use but all i ever get is "Servname not supported for ai_sockettype" (for ntpdate) or "unable to set any sockets for nfsd" (for nfs-kernel-server-start) anyone have any pointers on where i should be looking ive been googling pretty much the entire day. This isnt an issue on my 14.04 desk
[22:36] <hippiehunter_> top.


[17:09] <nlsthzn> Hi all
[19:14] <inetpro> nlsthzn: good evening
[19:16] <superfly> hi nlsthzn, inetpro
[19:17] <inetpro> hello superfly
[19:17] <nlsthzn> inetpro: superfly: greetings gents :)
[19:17] <nlsthzn> hope you had a nice and peaceful festive time
[19:18] <superfly> as peaceful as you get with a toddler smashing a beer bottle against a glass table ;-)
[19:19] <nlsthzn> superfly: ouch, nobody injured?
[19:19] <superfly> nope
[19:19] <nlsthzn> superfly: glad, then it could have been much worst ;)
[19:30] <inetpro> eish


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[17:28] <Agafonov> zed: hi, is nsset DNS interface working currently?
[17:55] <apollo13> Agafonov: no it's not, canonical manages domains by now
[17:55] <apollo13> Agafonov: you needto get in contact with them


[00:23] <slangasek> ScottK: does anything use the WTF_PLATFORM_IA64 define, then?
[00:23] <slangasek> ScottK: btw, bug #498631
[00:24] <ScottK> slangasek: Nothing except getting us into the JS64 set instead of 32_64
[00:25] <slangasek> oh, is that what the PLATFORM() macro expands to?
[00:25] <ScottK> More specifically WTF_USE_JSVALUE64 instead of WTF_USE_JSVALUE32_64
[00:26] <ScottK> The first patch I gave you would have resulted in using WTF_USE_JSVALUE64, but who knows what else.
[00:26] <ScottK> So I'm defining IA64 as an alternate way to get WTF_USE_JSVALUE64 without whaterver X86_64 might have brought along
[00:27] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure that's what I want to have happen, I'm really unsure it that's the way to do it.
[00:27] <ScottK> As I said earlier, I'm in over my head here.
[00:27] <slangasek> looks appropriate to me; should I try another ia64 build to see if anything else fails, or do you just want to throw this at the buildds along with the ppc fix?
[00:28] <ScottK> slangasek: Your call.  IA64 won't get more broken.
[01:16] <ScottK> slangasek: WRT timing, qt4-x11 takes a long time to build on armel.  We're packaging a new KDE upstream right now that's set for upload on Monday.  It'd be nice if qt4-x11 was not in the middle of building then, so I'd like to revise my answer and prefer an upload tonight.
[02:13] <ebroder> Suck. The open-vm-tools kernel modules apparently don't build on Lucid's kernel. Or Sid's
[02:31] <LaserJock> where does Ubuntu Netbook Remix/Edition development happen?
[07:57] <slangasek> ScottK: qt4-x11 has a completely broken clean target, btw
[14:01] <ScottK> slangasek: I see what's wrong with my patch.  I'll fix it.
[14:35] <fqh> Hi, all, which tool can be used to check linux kernel coding style? I forgot.
[15:50] <ejat> anyone know how to temporary solve this bug 472345
[18:06] <akgraner> ogasawara_, ping
[18:06] <zbert> Hello room... anyone in here?
[18:07] <zbert> I have some questions about #ubuntu-devel
[18:08] <zbert> There's a lot of names in here but no one is in here?
[18:08] <geser> it's weekend so most are idle
[18:09] <zbert> okay, see that's one of my questions
[18:09] <zbert> isn't this an open source project?
[18:09] <zbert> Yesterday I got told to go to the #ubuntu room but isn't that like general support?
[18:09] <geser> yes, the Ubuntu distribution is open source
[18:09] <zbert> I'm wanting to participate in development in the same way that I do on source forge projects
[18:10] <zbert> Which being weekend thing confuses me as I do most of my coding on the weekend as I work my normal job during the week
[18:11] <geser> it depends, this channel is mostly used by the paid Ubuntu developers who seldom work on weekends
[18:11] <zbert> Yeah, see that's the answer I was looking for...
[18:12] <zbert> Where's a good place for the unpaid people who do open source as a hobby?
[18:12] <geser> #ubuntu-motu is where the "universe" community hang outs
[18:12] <zbert> It's been a pretty big downer because I was hoping to get involved with it more this weekend but I'm not really finding a good start point, maybe I'd do better working on the bugs
[18:13] <zbert> Haha... that's more the people like me who just want to do some systems coding
[18:13] <geser> have you been pointed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted already?
[18:13] <zbert> No, thanks... this is the help I've been looking for.
[18:14] <zbert> I'm not new to coding for open source but am new to doing it for Ubuntu so I just googled ubuntu development and got to here
[18:15] <geser> if you are interested in helping with Kubuntu, you might also want do look in #kubuntu-devel. The Kubuntu community is also very strong.
[18:17] <zbert> Yeah, but I barely tolerate KDE on Backtrack... I really prefer gnome or open-box
[18:17] <zbert> So I've not done much in working with KDE really... but I like hearing that.
[18:18] <geser> gnome is discussed in #ubuntu-desktop, but also mostly during the week
[18:18] <zbert> So #ubuntu-motu is more of what I'd be likely to find in working through something on like sourceforge/forge.mil type of projects?
[18:18] <zbert> Same situation, mostly done by the paid staff?  Curious, are you a paid staff?
[18:18] <geser> MOTUs care about the packages in the "universe" component of the archive
[18:19] <geser> gnome is mostly done by paid devs but also some community devs, and I'm not paid
[18:19] <zbert> Yeah, I was just reading that... I'm looking more to working with kernel programming and driver modules
[18:21] <zbert> Oh cool... I've always done programming as a hobby and never really thought of it as a pay thing, it's a big reward to see a patch or something I contributed on actually being applied.  I'm actually a social worker for my full time job
[18:21] <geser> the kernel people hang out in #ubuntu-kernel but I don't know how many paid/non-paid devs there are
[18:21] <zbert> Nice, I appreciate this tutorial to development in ubuntu, this helps a lot
[18:28] <zbert> So what projects do you work on?
[18:30] <ScottK> slangasek: No joy on powerpc, ld still bites: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.6.0-1ubuntu5/+build/1407295/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-powerpc.qt4-x11_4:4.6.0-1ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:41] <shtylman> is anyone else experiencing problems using intel 3945 wireless?
[18:41] <shtylman> are there any recent open bugs about it?
[18:41] <shtylman> (in lucid that is)
[18:50] <ogasawara_> akgraner: pong
[18:51] <akgraner> ogasawara_, is there a way to find total bugs ever reported for Ubuntu...on LP
[18:51] <akgraner> since the code push last week that number doesn't show up anymore
[18:51] <akgraner> :-(
[18:51] <akgraner> ogasawara_, here is where I normally got it from  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[18:52] <ogasawara_> akgraner: hrm, was just going to point you to that, but if it's no longer there give me a sec and I'll see if I can find it
[18:52] <akgraner> ogasawara_, thank you!
[18:52] <ogasawara_> akgraner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1
[18:53] <ogasawara_> akgraner: as a sort of brute force approach, go to the above and tick every status
[18:53] <zbert> hey, there are people in here... can I get some help finding my way around ubuntu development?
[18:53] <akgraner> ogasawara_, so just click all the boxes and it will give me a total
[18:53] <akgraner> well all the status'
[18:53] <zbert> I'd like to contribute, particularly to kernel and gui development, but I've not found rooms that are active
[18:53] <ogasawara_> akgraner: yah, tick all the status' (new, incomplete, etc. . .) and then hit search
[18:54] <akgraner> gotcha.. thank you!!!
[18:54] <zbert> like ubuntu-kernel is as quiet as this one... is there a decent place to go to get started contributing?
[18:54] <akgraner> ogasawara_, sorry to bug you on a Sunday...
[18:54] <ogasawara_> akgraner: np :)
[18:55] <zbert> akgraner or ogasawara_?
[18:55] <ogasawara_> zbert: it's the weekend so people are likely away.  is there a specific area you are interested in, for ex the kernel?
 I'd like to contribute, particularly to kernel and gui development, but I've not found rooms that are active
[18:56] <zbert> I'm just happy to find a foothold at this point
[18:57] <ogasawara_> zbert: well I'd be more than happy to get you started with the kernel
[18:57] <ogasawara_> zbert: a great place to initially lend a helping hand is triaging bugs
[18:57] <zbert> I figured for open source, weekends would be a good time but I've found that ubuntu development most be done a lot by paid staff...
[18:57] <ogasawara_> zbert: can you priv msg me your email and I'll send you some info to get started
[18:58] <zbert> Okay, sorry to appear frustrated, I've been reading through the pages then trying quiet rooms most of this weekend, and I only have time to code on the weekend as it's all hobby for me so a day and half of getting started has been used finding a foothold.
[18:58] <zbert> Sure, and thanks!
[19:30] <slangasek> ScottK: blast; ok, will look at why my powerpc patch doesn't work
[19:39] <ScottK> slangasek: Thank you.
[19:48] <slangasek> ScottK: right; my patch doesn't work because I used another non-working bit in the build system as an example
[19:50] <slangasek> ScottK: are there docs for these .pro files anywhere?
[19:53] <ScottK> slangasek: I don't know.
[19:53] <ScottK> I usually just ask fabo about fixing qt4 stuff.
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^?
[19:57] <slangasek> ok.  I'm confident that the workaround in question is the correct one, I just have no idea how to apply it to powerpc given this .pro file format that I have no familiarity with
[20:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:25] <Lure> slangasek: .pro files are for qmake (from qt4)
[20:27] <Lure> slangasek: doc is here http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.6/qmake-manual.html
[20:41] <slangasek> Lure: what does 'unix:!mac:*-g++*:' mean?
[20:55] <Lure> slangasek: to complex for my knowledge level ;-)
[21:14] <slangasek> Lure: ok, well, so far I haven't hit on the magic combination that lets me exclude powerpc from this
[21:34] <slacker_nl> hi, question, will grub-legacy be upgraded to grub2 by lucid? debian does this when going from stable to testing, will you do the same with karmic/hardy to lucid
[22:25] <wgrant> Laney: I've recreated the import that you retried, as bzr-svn this time. it worked: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/multidistrotools/trunk
[22:25] <Laney> wgrant: Cool. I just grabbed it from svn directly


[09:50] <nisshh> :q
[09:51] <nisshh> :q
[14:57] <camil> Hi all, just geard of this project, was wondering what format will be used to write the content of the manual?
[15:18] <jmburgess> camil: we are using latex
[15:18] <jmburgess> It is pretty easy to learn, check out the wiki for more information
[15:19] <camil> jmburgess: OK yes I used LaTeX many years ago, but then switched to XML, found it easier to write without mixing with style. All the more in a collaborative environment...
[15:21] <camil> jmburgess: as a side note I was documentation project manager at Mandriva Linux for years ;-)
[15:23] <jmburgess> camil: Very cool! yeah we use latex because it can make very pretty docs and we have set it up so almost all the formating except for the stuff you need to do such as bolding text, putting things in terminal boxes, etc is in a separte file
[15:23] <camil> jmburgess: ok good
[15:24] <jmburgess> yeah feel free to pull the bzr tree and look around, you will see it is all pretty well separated
[15:24] <camil> jmburgess: any reason why LaTeX and not XML DocBook for example?
[15:25] <jmburgess> camil: ummm that was what he had expertise in, but not particularly
[15:25] <camil> ok
[15:25] <camil> I hope it will not frighten newcomers
[15:25] <jmburgess> i mean we make it pretty darn easy
[15:26] <camil> good that's important
[15:26] <jmburgess> yep
[15:26] <jmburgess> do you have any particular interest that you want to help out in
[15:27] <camil> I could have proposed something for XML, but I'm far too busy to offer time...
[15:28] <jmburgess> understandable
[15:29] <camil> jmburgess: my company is now developping an open source XML CMS aimed at technical documentation, with a WYSIWYG Web editor. And I would have been glad to help you set it up or even host it for you.
[15:29] <jmburgess> wow that is very cool, are you guys open sourcing it?
[15:30] <camil> jmburgess: yes, although the web editor is free only for open source projects.
[15:31] <jmburgess> wow that sounds awesome
[15:32] <camil> jmburgess: calenco.com
[18:21] <pererik87> How are things tagging along. anyone need any help? with anything?


[11:39] <AAAAAAAAAA> Salve salve familia
[11:39] <arraybolt3> AAAAAAAAAA: Hello! Can we help you?
[11:39] <aluno> ata
[11:39] <arraybolt3> !ops aluno is at it again
[11:39] <arraybolt3> !ops | aluno is at it again
[11:43] <AAAAAAAAAA> sorry
[11:48] <aluno> sorry bro
[12:25] <AAAAAAAAAA> sup toshiba
[12:36] <arraybolt3> teward: *Sigh of relief.* I owe you lunch for finally getting that guy out of the channel.


[05:33] <jrib> hi
[05:33] <michael_demonio> hi
[05:33] <jrib> you are in recovery mode now?
[05:33] <michael_demonio> excuse for bother you
[05:33] <jrib> do you have a gui?
[05:33] <michael_demonio> but i need help
[05:34] <michael_demonio> i don't have a gui
[05:34] <jrib> k
[05:34] <michael_demonio> i'm searching at forums
[05:34] <jrib> so you are on a different computer?
[05:34] <michael_demonio> no, i'm on my pc
[05:34] <jrib> you are using xchat to talk to me?
[05:35] <michael_demonio> i began session at recover mode, now i'm root
[05:35] <jrib> ok, never mind, open up a terminal
[05:35] <michael_demonio> yes, i suposed that here are the best ubunters
[05:35] <michael_demonio> i have it already opened
[05:35] <michael_demonio> i'm from colombia
[05:36] <jrib> ok, now what is the name of the user with the problem?
[05:36] <michael_demonio> demonio
[05:37] <michael_demonio> look, i started to change my theme configuration, and then, my pc was freezed
[05:37] <jrib> ok, at the terminal, you type this:  rm ~demonio/.{X,ICE}authority
[05:37] <michael_demonio> then i restart my pc, and i realized i cannot begin my session
[05:37] <jrib> right, you said it just gets stuck after you login
[05:38] <michael_demonio> no, i enter my username (demonio), and then the password
[05:39] <jrib> ok
[05:39] <michael_demonio> later, the splash screen is shown, but then nothing is loaded, there is no graphic interface, no buttons, and no panels, i cannot see anything
[05:39] <jrib> try the command I said and then try logging in again.  If it still does not work, come back
[05:39] <michael_demonio> what does  rm ~demonio/.{X,ICE}authority do?
[05:40] <jrib> deletes .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files for the demonio user
[05:40] <jrib> they get recreated automatically
[05:41] <michael_demonio> and what if it doesn't result?
[05:41] <jrib> then you come back
[05:42] <michael_demonio> ok
[05:42] <michael_demonio> thank you very much, i hope i can use my session with that
[05:43] <Grungebunny> when does class start?
[05:44] <jrib> Grungebunny: right now, I don't think any are scheduled
[05:51] <michael_demonio> hi
[05:54] <jrib> michael_demonio: hi
[05:54] <jrib> did it not work?
[05:55] <michael_demonio> i could not type ~
[05:55] <jrib> umm
[05:56] <jrib> ok
[05:56] <michael_demonio> what is the ascii code?
[05:56] <jrib> ok, at the terminal, you type this:  rm /home/demonio/.{X,ICE}authority
[05:56] <jrib> you don't need ~ in that one
[05:57] <jrib> it should have no output.  If it does have output, then something is wrong and you need to tell me :)
[05:57] <michael_demonio> i have to type that now, or starting my session
[05:58] <jrib> at a terminal
[05:58] <michael_demonio> i remember you i'm at recovery mode as root
[05:58] <jrib> right, taht should work
[05:58] <michael_demonio> so, now i have typed that, press enter?
[05:59] <jrib> yes
[05:59] <michael_demonio> i did it
[05:59] <jrib> no output?
[06:00] <michael_demonio> so, do i have to reboot now?
[06:00] <jrib> ok
[06:00] <michael_demonio> there was no output
[06:00] <michael_demonio> i typed that, and then appeared root again
[06:00] <jrib> good
[06:01] <michael_demonio> are you sure it won't erase my files and data?
[06:01] <jrib> yes
[06:02] <michael_demonio> ok, because i have many videos and music
[06:03] <michael_demonio> when i typed  rm ~demonio/.{X,ICE}authority nothing happened
[06:03] <jrib> you should try logging in now
[06:04] <michael_demonio> but when i typed rm /home/demonio/.{X.ICE}authority, the output was: cannot remove .... no such a file or directory
[06:04] <jrib> that's ok
[06:04] <michael_demonio> ok
[06:04] <michael_demonio> thank you very much
[06:04] <michael_demonio> now i will reboot
[06:18] <michael_demonio> hi
[06:18] <michael_demonio> jrib nothing result
[06:18] <jrib> k
[06:18] <michael_demonio> when i start my session there is no desktop to show
[06:18] <jrib> try: mv /home/demonio/.gnome2/session{,.backup}
[06:19] <michael_demonio> and what does it do?
[06:20] <jrib> renames ~/.gnome2/session to ~/.gnome2/session.backup
[06:21] <michael_demonio> does it affect my files?
[06:21] <jrib> no
[06:22] <michael_demonio> the output was: cannot stat
[06:23] <jrib> what does this return: ls /home/demonio/.gnome2/session
[06:24] <michael_demonio> no such a file or directory
[06:24] <jrib> strange
[06:25] <jrib> do you have /home/demonio/.xsession-errors ?  Can you pastebin that file?
[06:25] <michael_demonio> what i have to do?
[06:25] <jrib> !pastebin
[06:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:25] <michael_demonio> do i have to reinstall the ubuntu?
[06:25] <jrib> no
[06:26] <michael_demonio> there is a window where says name, syntax and text
[06:27] <michael_demonio> what do i do there?
[06:27] <jrib> opem /home/demonio/.xsession-errors on your computer and copy and paste the contents to the window where it says "text"
[06:27] <jrib> open*
[06:28] <michael_demonio> by console or by nautilus?
[06:28] <jrib> doesn't matter
[06:29] <michael_demonio> what have i to select at syntax?
[06:29] <jrib> doesn't matter
[06:31] <michael_demonio> in name, type my real name?
[06:31] <jrib> anything you want
[06:31] <jrib> I'll be back in 5 minutes
[06:31] <michael_demonio> ok, thanks
[06:31] <jrib> after you pastebin, paste the url here
[06:31] <michael_demonio> the classroom url?
[06:31] <jrib> and you may want to try logging in one more time, to see if ~/.gnome2/session gets created
[06:32] <jrib> michael_demonio: the url for the web page you get after you press "submit"
[06:33] <michael_demonio> i don't understand
[06:35] <michael_demonio> the url i pasted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[06:40] <jrib> ok, that's not what I mean
[06:40] <jrib> let's start over
[06:40] <jrib> !pastebin
[06:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:40] <jrib> you have your browser open to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[06:40] <michael_demonio> yes
[06:41] <jrib> now in the Text section you have copied what is in your ~/.xsession-errors file and pasted it?
[06:41] <michael_demonio> yes
[06:41] <jrib> now, press the Submit button
[06:41] <michael_demonio> in name i put michael_demonio
[06:42] <michael_demonio> it doesnot says submit, it says paste
[06:42] <jrib> ok, press that
[06:42] <michael_demonio> ok
[06:43] <jrib> now in your address bar, tell me what url there is
[06:44] <michael_demonio> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36910/
[06:44] <michael_demonio> and the first address was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36906/
[06:46] <michael_demonio> and now what?
[06:47] <jrib> now I have to go in a bit, but I will tell you a command that will reset your GNOME settings
[06:47] <michael_demonio> ok, thank you so much
[06:48] <michael_demonio> so, now i have to wait?
[06:48] <jrib> do this command: mv ~demonio/.gnome2{,.backup}; mv ~demonio/.gconfd{,.backup}; mv ~demonio/.gconf{,.backup}
[06:49] <jrib> you're settings will go away, but they are in the *.backup directories if you need something
[06:50] <jrib> if it still doesn't work, it may be easier for you to create a new user and then copy the videos and documents from the old user to the new user.  Or, ask in #ubuntu for more help
[06:50] <jrib> good luck, any questions before I go?
[06:53] <michael_demonio> wait
[06:53] <michael_demonio> please
[06:54] <michael_demonio> thank you, i will do that
[07:14] <michael_demonio> jrib and why i can't recover my desktop?
[07:14] <michael_demonio> ???
[07:18] <michael_demonio> i don't wanna lose my session