[00:27] <silverarrow> hi
[00:27] <silverarrow> any ibook users here?
[00:27] <silverarrow> or preveous iBook users
[00:52] <Lukah> I've install rxvt-unicode-256colors and I don't have a menu entry for it.  Does lubuntu use .desktop files for the menu?
[00:55] <Lukah> nm, finally found how to refresh the menu
[01:04] <silverarrow> hi
[09:09] <Galeade> hi
[09:10] <Galeade> where can i find themes for lxde ?
[09:27] <melodie_> hello
[12:35] <silverarrow> I have just managed to install 12-04 on the G4 ibook
[12:36] <silverarrow> I have trouble with booting down, it doesn't do it properly
[12:36] <silverarrow> it sort of hangs with a black screen and a few clourded bits on the screen
[12:36] <silverarrow> I got help with the live boot up issue
[12:37] <silverarrow> apparently there is a bug that needs a command to handle the old ibook
[12:38] <silverarrow> so, no idea about the shut down issue?
[12:38] <silverarrow> anyone here at all?
[12:38] <silverarrow> lubuntu seems to run fine
[12:39] <silverarrow> just a few things that need attention
[12:40] <silverarrow> hi SkippersBoss
[12:40] <silverarrow> any clever with old macs?
[12:41] <silverarrow> anyone here at all?
[12:41] <silverarrow> it might be a general lubuntu issue though, it will not boot down smoothly
[12:41] <silverarrow> or even probable
[13:22] <silverarrow> how do I eject a CD in 12.04?
[13:22] <silverarrow> it's one of those slots that you just push the cd in
[13:23] <silverarrow> and the lubuntu cd is stuck !!
[13:24] <smile> silverarrow: open pcmanfm and click the eject icon on the left pane
[13:24] <smile> :p
[13:24] <smile> (the file manager)
[13:25] <silverarrow> oh hi
[13:25] <silverarrow> archivemanager?
[13:25] <silverarrow> hmm
[13:26] <silverarrow> I am booted from harddisk, and 12.04 doesn't seem to call it filemanager
[13:27] <silverarrow> pcmanfm ?
[13:27] <silverarrow> I'm newly installed and I don't even have wireless yet
[13:29] <silverarrow> there is usually a cd ikon on the desktop, but not this time
[13:30] <silverarrow> do you know anything clever from terminal?
[13:32] <silverarrow> oh, it popped out
[13:32] <silverarrow> diskutility,
[13:32] <silverarrow> disc
[14:06] <silverarrow> is there a clever way to store update packages, or restriced on CD or usb memory to get wireless working ?
[14:06] <silverarrow> I don't have wired connection options at all
[14:06] <silverarrow> at least not here
[14:25] <Na_Klar> with a plain lubuntu 11.10 installation, can I configure my default sound card? Because everything workes like a charm, but I want to switch the default sound card. At its best without installing asoundconf or pulseaudio.
[14:26] <hyperair> isn't pulseaudio installed on a plain lubuntu installation?
[14:27] <Na_Klar> nope
[14:27] <hyperair> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop on a base precise chroot shows pulseaudio being installed.
[14:27] <Na_Klar> at least not on 11.10
[14:28] <hyperair> oh 11.10
[14:28] <hyperair> let's see..
[14:28] <hyperair> nope, pulseaudio's still installed there
[14:28] <hyperair> unless it's a recommends..
[14:28] <hyperair> ah i guess it is
[14:29] <Na_Klar> dpkg shows just the libpulse0, which is not the pulseaudio application
[14:29] <hyperair> yes
[14:31] <hyperair> as for default sound card, there's something you can set in .asoundrc
[14:31] <hyperair> lemme just check it up..
[14:32] <Na_Klar> as far as I know .asoundrd implies having installed asoundconf..
[14:32] <Na_Klar> *.asoundrc
[14:33] <hyperair> no.
[14:34] <hyperair> .asoundrc is an ALSA thing.
[14:34] <hyperair> it's read by libasound
[14:34] <hyperair> http://paste.debian.net/178169/
[14:35] <hyperair> if you're not using pulse, you can use this as your .asoundrc file
[14:35] <hyperair> and change the 0,3 to whatever sound output device you wish to use
[14:36] <silverarrow> hi
[14:36] <hyperair> ah, the number comes from aplay -l
[14:37] <Na_Klar> so alsa uses .asoundrc but does not create it by itself?
[14:37] <hyperair> yes.
[14:37] <Na_Klar> ic
[14:37] <hyperair> it looks at ~/.asoundrc, if it exists
[14:37] <hyperair> failing which, /etc/asound.conf
[14:37] <hyperair> i think it might look at /usr/share/asound/ or something
[14:37] <silverarrow> do you know about the b43 blacklist bug ?
[14:37] <silverarrow> on 12.04
[14:38] <hyperair> no
[14:38] <silverarrow> I am struggeling abit with boot up related to it
[14:39] <silverarrow> it turns out you need to give the command "live b43.blacklist=yes" for the powerpc cd to boot on some ibooks
[14:39] <silverarrow> then " Linux b43.blacklist=yes" on the first boot, and it is suppose to stick for the next bootups
[14:40] <silverarrow> but I have to do it on every bootup
[14:40] <hyperair> extra kernel options don't get remembered.
[14:40] <hyperair> you need to put it in /etc/default/grub
[14:40] <hyperair> and run update-grub
[14:41] <hyperair> then your grub.cfg will be generated with the kernel option there.
[14:41] <silverarrow> trouble is I haven't wired network connection here
[14:41] <silverarrow> and wireless is a pain
[14:42] <silverarrow> is there a clever way to store driverpackages on CD and install from there?
[14:43] <hyperair> well if you know which package it is, you could do apt-get install $pkg --print-uris
[14:43] <silverarrow> I need to get wired connection
[14:43] <hyperair> then bring the list of URIs over to another machine, and download all the debs.
[14:43] <hyperair> then place the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and it should be fine.
[14:43] <hyperair> i think.
[14:43] <silverarrow> sounds good
[14:44] <silverarrow> brb, need to boot in lubuntu
[14:44] <hyperair> if you can bring it to another computer running lubuntu you could have it share its internet connection via wire
[14:44] <hyperair> networkmanager has support for internet connection sharing.
[14:44] <silverarrow> oh, very clever
[14:45] <silverarrow> thanks
[14:45] <silverarrow> do you know if there is frugal install option in the lubuntu CD?
[14:45] <silverarrow> sort of wizard run thing
[14:45] <hyperair> what's that?
[14:46] <hyperair> frugal install?
[14:46] <hyperair> some sort of minimalistic install?
[14:46] <silverarrow> it's when you boot up live cd, and you have a folder on the computer harddrive where things are stored, settings, it runs like a full os but minimal storage space
[14:47] <silverarrow> I have only one ibook, and the other comptuer would boot a i364 cd
[14:47] <silverarrow> 386
[14:48] <silverarrow> but that might not matter much
[14:48] <silverarrow> brb
[14:51] <Na_Klar> hyperair, ty for the support.
[14:59] <hyperair> no problem
[15:13] <Na_Klar> ^^ wat? Although I modified /etc/xdg/libfm/libfm.conf and /etc/xdg/lubuntu/.../libfm.conf the ~/.config/.../ligfm.conf always backup at restart. I cannot make the modification permanent? Why not?
[21:27] <melodie_> good night
[22:05] <Casey> do you use xteam?
[22:13] <Casey> or how do i pasta in xterm
[22:38] <pcroque> Casey: Click the middle mouse button, or try Shift-Insert.
[22:40] <Casey> ok well is lubuntu based on Debian
[22:40] <pcroque> Yes
[22:40] <Jacky> Casey: Ubuntu's based on Debian, and Lubuntu's on Ubuntu; quite polymorphic, really ;P
[22:41] <Casey> ok


[03:45] <jelmer> mgedmin: yep
[06:04] <aroman> Which is faster, bzr or git?
[13:18] <Toksyuryel> aroman: define "faster"
[13:19] <Toksyuryel> git takes forever to learn and understand, and is therefore slower than bzr for me


[23:20] <arrrghhh> -_-
[23:20] <a__> arrrghhh, never messed with dns setups i think it's all ip
[23:20] <arrrghhh> allu2: it's the first thing that's mentioned in that article.
[23:20] <allu2> link :S
[23:21]  * allu2 looks..
[23:21] <arrrghhh> a__: well are you trying to go directly to the machine by IP, or are you trying to "browse" for machines?
[23:21] <allu2> ah found it
[23:22] <a__> arrrghhh, i'm browsing with nautilus through networks --> machine name etc... same on a windows machine
[23:22] <arrrghhh> a__: then either setup some centralized form of DNS (kind of a pain, but if you have many clients definitely worth the time)
[23:23] <arrrghhh> a__: or if it's just a few machines, setup hosts file manually.
[23:24] <a__> arrrghhh, but it seems only windows 7 has some issue with network discovery stuff
[23:24] <arrrghhh> a__: yea, zeroconf is different between the oses.
[23:24] <arrrghhh> a__: please try my suggestion...
[23:25] <arrrghhh> a__: if you're lazy you can just modify the machines that are having issues, but to be consistent i would modify all clients.
[23:25] <paulsomebody> How do I manage daemons in Ubuntu?
[23:25] <a__> arrrghhh, what do you mean hosts file manually, like /etc/hosts and system32\hosts ?
[23:25] <arrrghhh> paulsomebody: sudo service <service> start/stop/restart/etc
[23:25] <arrrghhh> a__: right you are.
[23:26] <paulsomebody> arrrghhh: Hmm. I need it to be permanent.
[23:26] <arrrghhh> paulsomebody: ?
[23:26] <paulsomebody> arrrghhh: I need to permanently remove it from startup, like by 'Startup Applications', just for daemons.
[23:26] <arrrghhh> paulsomebody: oh.  update-rc.d <service> remove
[23:27] <a__> arrrghhh, like             10.0.0.x       \\a into hosts?
[23:27] <paulsomebody> arrrghhh: Thanks. Maybe something with GUI?
[23:27] <arrrghhh> a__: just put the machine name. no need for slashes
[23:27] <arrrghhh> paulsomebody: not off the top of my head, sorry i'm a server guy :P
[23:27] <paulsomebody> arrrghhh: Okay, thanks.
[23:27] <arrrghhh> np.
[23:28] <a__> arrrghhh, sounds too easy, can you point me to a good dns server setup tutorial?
[23:28] <arrrghhh> a__: that's pretty complicated.  do you have 10+ clients?
[23:29] <arrrghhh> a__: i just did hosts file cuz i was lazy.  i guess dnsmasq would probably be easiest.
[23:30] <a__> arrrghhh, only 4. it shouldn't be that messy. it's something like setting a dns host and all the rest as clients and a gateway on each machine not?
[23:30] <arrrghhh> a__: dnsmasq is kinda all in one.  it can take care of dns, dhcp and tftp if you configure it to.
[23:31] <arrrghhh> much easier than BIND + dhcp3-server + tftpd-hpa or whatever.
[23:33] <allu2> arrrghhh: thanks for the tip on boot-repair, will come handy! :)
[23:33] <dianarc>  I installed SUN JDK and then removed OpenJDK... after this, Google Chrome doesn't find anymore the Java plugin... any idea?
[23:33] <arrrghhh> allu2: np.  wish i could've used it.  i just went thru the manual process just a few days ago...
[23:34] <allu2> arrrghhh: for the next time tough maybe its easier to give link to the community page directly about it since you have to add ppa to install it and i didn't know that before i saw the documentation for the program itself :)
[23:34] <allu2> arrrghhh: thank you again! you made my day :)
[23:34] <arrrghhh> allu2: eh, i guess.
[23:34] <arrrghhh> np, take it easy.
[23:34] <allu2> arrrghhh: :P
[23:34] <dianarc>  tried to add a directory and symbolic link as suggested in some guides but, no good results
[23:35] <a__> arrrghhh, so you think it's a problem of hosts resolving, i also happens when server and windows 7 are alone in workgroup?
[23:35] <arrrghhh> a__: well that was my issue.  i might be misunderstanding your problem.  can you manually point to the server via IP?
[23:35] <dianarc> A link to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[23:36] <arrrghhh> dianarc: i don't use chrome, but have you used update-alternatives or whatever it is for java?
[23:36] <metaspike> dianarc, rm your symbolic link, install java6-sun-plugin
[23:36] <OerHeks> dianarc, oracle disables java according to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines/
[23:36] <a__> arrrghhh, i'll check it right now
[23:37] <dianarc> I already installed Sun Java6, the relative plugin and I removed OpenJDK (so all in /etc/alternatives/* now points to SUN JDK)
[23:37] <xangua> OerHeks: oracle disables java =/= java removed from ubuntu repositories
[23:38] <metaspike> all of them?
[23:38] <dianarc> anyway, i need Sun Java
[23:38] <metaspike> me too :(
[23:38] <xangua> dianarc: there is a guide on webupd8 about how to install oracle java6 from a ppa and aldo to manually install oraclejava7
[23:38] <dianarc> I already installed java... and it works... just Chrome doesn't see it
[23:38] <mongy> dianarc,  I used that to install oracle java 7, works fine.
[23:39] <sebashtian> hey how do you activate nvidia drivers? i already tried running sudo nvidia-xconfig, it completes and everything but when i do "nvidia-settings" it tells me i haven't
[23:39] <sebashtian> and i restart gdm in between
[23:39] <a__> arrrghhh, seems as you said, when i try accessing by host name windows doesn't finds the target but finds it on ip address
[23:39] <dianarc> I'm on ubuntu 10.10, Sun Java6 was in the "partner" repositories
[23:40] <arrrghhh> a__: so same problem i had.  either central dns, or hosts file.
[23:40] <a__> arrrghhh, why do you think that it's happening? what is the issue of windows and hostname resolving?
[23:40] <kevin> yo
[23:40] <arrrghhh> zeroconf is different between oses a__
[23:41] <kevin> merry christmas
[23:41] <Guest59834> guest :(
[23:41] <Guest59834> merry chtisermas
[23:42] <a__> arrrghhh, in zeroconf you mean networking standards?
[23:42] <lsv> Does anyone here knows about gcc?
[23:43] <milamber> !anyone | lsv
[23:44] <sebashtian> whats best tactical fps for linux?
[23:44] <lsv> ok, does anyone knows what the '-DL', '-DS' and '-DW' flags are for in the gcc compiler?
[23:45] <lsv> I'll be back in a few hours.  hope someone has an answer then.  See you.
[23:46] <bfrazier_> can anybody help me determine why my dvd won't burn a file?
[23:47] <mongy> bfrazier_, using what software.
[23:47] <bfrazier_> mongy, well, I'm just using a mount command
[23:48] <bfrazier_> I got a problem, I'm trying to burn a DVD & I'm trying to use the following command, "growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video DVD" but I'm getting, ":-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0"...any ideas how to fix this?
[23:49] <mongy> bfrazier_, growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso
[23:49] <mongy> bfrazier_, you might want mkisofs to make an iso from files.
[23:50] <ucjImrNZh> mmk
[23:50] <bfrazier_> mongy, what is an iso any ways?
[23:50] <themaster> mooonnhhhyyy
[23:50] <mongy> bfrazier_, a filesystem image
[23:50] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: lol.  it's a single file that's an image of a disc.
[23:51] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: perhaps you should let us know what you're trying to do, instead of just the command that's failing.
[23:51] <bfrazier_> well, the iso I need to make then would be of the Audio_TS and Video_TS files...
[23:51] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, well, you gotta start somewhere...I don't know a lot about linux
[23:51] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: correct.  if you look at a dvd on a computer, all you see is video_ts and audio_ts folders.
[23:52] <mongy> bfrazier_,     cd to where the audio and video folders are.  mkisofs -dvd-video -o /somewhere/big/myfilm.iso .
[23:52] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: and of course we all have to start somewhere.  but my point is, ask what you're trying to do, not why this specific command is failing.  especially if you have no clue why you're even submitting the command, that's just dangerous.
[23:52] <bfrazier_> mongy, ....alright, I'm trying that
[23:53] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, well, I'm like a baby...I'm just repeating what other people are telling me at this point
[23:53] <mongy> bfrazier_,  gui apps to use are isomaster, k3b, gnomebaker
[23:53] <bfrazier_> mongy, ...alright
[23:53] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: again, dangerous.  please, ask your question of what you're trying to achieve.
[23:54] <progre55> hi guys. where to change your name that shows up on a router "connected" list?
[23:54] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, alright, alright..guess a baby might get their hand hurt with something ho
[23:54] <bfrazier_> *hot
[23:54] <arrrghhh> progre55: i guess that would be the hostname?
[23:54] <progre55> arrrghhh: oh, and where do I set that? :)
[23:54] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: potentially.  usually best to ask what you're trying to achieve.  then say how you're trying to achieve it.
[23:54] <arrrghhh> progre55: hostname, in the terminal
[23:55] <progre55> arrrghhh: thanks, appreciate!
[23:55] <arrrghhh> np
[23:56] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, command, "mkisofs -dvd-video -o test.iso" results in "Failed to open VIDEO_TS.IFO"
[23:56] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: what are you trying to achieve?!?
[23:57] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, alright...I'm trying to make a DVD of a movie I recorded to the computer from my video camera
[23:57] <arrrghhh> bfrazier_: that's more like it.  so the video you got from the camera, is it just a single file?  like an mpg?
[23:58] <metaspike> try dvdauthor
[23:58] <mongy> bfrazier_, you need to give it more
[23:59] <sebashtian> why don't u use archive manager and make a iso file and then put it in there?
[23:59] <SgxeQqAbU> =D
[23:59] <SgxeQqAbU> my IRC client works now.
[23:59] <bfrazier_> arrrghhh, mongy ...well, I created this hugh AVI file and then separted out the video and audio using a program & then used mplex to bring them back together


[19:13] <r4j> Hi All, I'm running 17.10 on a laptop and everything runs fine for me. Just that the desktop loads slow suddenly. It used to be quick but just happened 2-3 days back...
[19:14] <r4j> the only error that got reported I have logged it in launchpad (Bug #1703553 Link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1703553)
[19:18] <r4j> seems like a persistent one because the one I reported is a duplicate of one initially reported on 15.10
[19:18] <r4j> no solution found yet in my search...
[19:46] <r4j> Let me try to explain it in a less confusing way. My system was running fine until 3 days back when this slowness to load desktop post login happened. System still boots up fast until login page


[00:03] <clivejo> the new kubuntu settings is badly broken :/
[00:03] <valorie> :(
[00:04] <acheronuk> what new settings?
[00:04] <valorie> someone was complaining about it in #kde the other day
[00:04] <valorie> not sure what they thought fellow kde users could do about it...
[00:05] <clivejo> the one scarlett was working on
[00:05] <clivejo> valorie: complaining about what?
[00:05] <valorie> settings
[00:06] <acheronuk> clivejo: well, we know that was never finished. or uploaded. so not the same thing as the current being broken
[00:08] <acheronuk> so the current version needs sorting. maybe taking some of the stuff scarlet was working on that does work or is fixable
[00:09] <acheronuk> valorie: what did they say in #kde was broken?
[00:09] <acheronuk> if you can recall
[00:10] <valorie> uh
[00:10] <valorie> I'll dig it up in a bit
[00:11] <valorie> on my treadmill right now
[00:11] <acheronuk> valorie: no probs. I am tired, so whenever you get to it, and I'll read it in backlog
[00:12] <valorie> k
[00:42] <acheronuk> valorie: ??? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1633721
[00:43] <acheronuk> think I have seen that mentioned before, but never seen that bug on any system of mine.
[00:46] <acheronuk> may be reported against it, but not completely convinced it as a kubuntu-settings caused issue either
[01:22] <Snowhog> valorie: Your KDE Developer badge has been assigned.
[07:54] <valorie> damn it, I had another freeze
[07:55] <valorie> afaik I was not running firefox, but up it pops upon restart
[07:55] <valorie> so I can't rule it out yet as a cause
[07:59] <valorie> it is not in autostart, or autostart scripts
[08:39] <acheronuk> valorie: cyphermox mentioned something about recent freezes I think on another channel? maybe a kernel change?
[08:42] <valorie> I think it was after the latest kernel, yeah
[08:42] <valorie> ok, so not us
[08:42] <valorie> I'll stop worrying
[08:42] <valorie> thanks, rik
[08:42] <valorie> oh gosh -- almost 1am
[08:43] <valorie> no wonder my eyes are tired
[09:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 I've added the filter: https://git.launchpad.net/~ovidiu-florin/+git/ka/commit/?id=1e7564831bb15b6e54cbf861c6a1b85926a47d52
 how can I make a merge request?
[13:06] <santa_> good morning everyone
[13:06] <santa_> I have been coding some interesting things in python all night long
[13:12] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: hi ovi, thanks for work, can you check here https://code.launchpad.net/~ovidiu-florin/+git/ka/+ref/master if you have a "Propose for merging" button?
[13:13] <santa_> * thanks for your work
 santa_ I don't see one
 where should it be?
[13:18] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: in the link I posted, I think this happens because of the namespace, you might need to create a new clone, give me a few minutes to test a merge request against myself
 where on that page, I mean?
 launchpad is full of hard to notice links and buttons
[13:25] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: right after "Browse the code" you should see a "Branch merges" proposal but I suspect you don't
 nope
 the section ends after that
[13:31] <santa_> as I suspected, checking things....
 Should I have created the fork differently?
[13:33] <santa_> maybe
[13:34] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: yeah, ok I think I got it
[13:35] <santa_> first of all, I see you made you commit in the master branch of your fork, not on the 'filter-qa' branch, is that what you actually wanted to do?
[13:35] <santa_> s/you commit/your commit/
[13:37] <santa_> wrt to the issue in question, I have just mde a fork of KA for myself, it's here: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/ka/+git/ka
[13:38] <santa_> if I click on the "master" link that leads me here: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/ka/+git/ka/+ref/master
[13:38] <santa_> and here I can see a "Propose for merging" link
[13:39] <santa_> now, let's see how I created that fork
[13:43] <santa_> git remote add santa git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~panfaust/ka
[13:43] <santa_> git push santa master
[13:44] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: I think your for is not on the correct namespace ('ka') hence why you can't make merge requests (probably)
[13:44] <santa_> ovidiuflorin: could you check creating the fork that way please?
[14:08] <DarinMiller> g'm/a ovidiuflorin
[14:08] <santa_> morning
[14:08] <DarinMiller> Did anyone answer your mp question? ( I saw your question in the daily log.)
[14:09] <DarinMiller> morning santa_
[14:09] <santa_> DarinMiller: which question?
[14:10] <DarinMiller> ovidiuflorin asked https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/02/26/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t12:55
[14:11] <santa_> ah, yes. I'm trying to help him
[14:11] <DarinMiller> nm, log now has more dialogue... :)
[14:12] <santa_> DarinMiller: maybe you want to join the telegram mirror of this channel? (if you didn't already)
[14:13] <DarinMiller> phone or desktop app?
[14:14] <santa_> well I have it on the phone, so if my time allows me, I can read everything here, even while my laptop is off
 attempting to recreate the fork
 👍
 what is this field: The reference within the target repository that the source will be merged into.
 `Target refference path`
 what do I put in it?
 P.S. I managed to recreate the Fork
 and started creating a merge request
[14:26] <santa_> I see. I think in this case would be the target branch of the target repository (i.e. master)
 https://code.launchpad.net/~ovidiu-florin/ka/+git/ka/+merge/318326
 done
 yuhuuuu
 my first merge request 😃
[14:30] <santa_> nice https://code.launchpad.net/~ovidiu-florin/ka/+git/ka/+merge/318326
[14:30] <santa_> that would be the first time I accept a merge request too
 this bug is reported against the wrong project: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1667961
 I don't know hw to change it
[14:43] <santa_> hmm, I'm busy fixing my all night long code, I will try to handle that MP asap
 MP?
[15:12] <santa_> merge proposal
[15:12] <santa_> (or merge request)
[15:16] <acheronuk> PR pull request?
[15:16]  * acheronuk hides
[15:17] <santa_> GIDO?
[15:18] <santa_> Great Improvement Done by Ovi
 ...
[15:19] <acheronuk> clivejo: 'qdbus org.kde.plasmashell /PlasmaShell org.kde.PlasmaShell.showInteractiveConsole'
[15:19] <acheronuk> to get the plasma scripting console ^^^^
[15:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: the notes you pointed me to yesterday are outdated. that now starts it
[16:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_rsibreak build #1: FAILURE in 30 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_rsibreak/1/
[16:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_rsibreak build #1: FAILURE in 55 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_rsibreak/1/
[16:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_rsibreak build #1: FAILURE in 55 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_rsibreak/1/
[16:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_rsibreak build #2: STILL FAILING in 28 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_rsibreak/2/
[16:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_rsibreak build #2: STILL FAILING in 51 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_rsibreak/2/
[16:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_rsibreak build #2: STILL FAILING in 58 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_rsibreak/2/
[17:00] <clivejo> o/ wxl
[17:00] <wxl> hey clivejo
[17:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[17:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_rsibreak build #3: FIXED in 14 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_rsibreak/3/
[17:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[17:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_rsibreak build #3: FIXED in 14 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_rsibreak/3/
[17:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[17:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_rsibreak build #3: FIXED in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_rsibreak/3/
 How long does a mr usually live?
[17:09] <wxl> ovidiuflorin: until someone merges it.
 ...
[17:14] <clivejo> acheronuk: what was that fix for these huge icon downloads?
[17:23] <clivejo> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50appstream
[17:23] <clivejo> can I comment out that entire file, or dod i have to remove it?
[17:30] <wxl> re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1530523 i had suggested changing the seed but it seems like it would make more sense to actually fix the depends of libqapt/kubuntu-default-settings. thoughts?
[17:38]  * clivejo giggles - https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1667961
[17:38] <wxl> oh jeez
[17:39] <wxl> oh jeez
 Ovi comment on that
[18:13] <clivejo> just laughing at Ovi's reply
[18:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/60plasma-discover
[18:45] <acheronuk> I think
 clivejo whell, what do you expect?
 clivejo, BTW, guess where I am right now
[18:47] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/discover/commit/?h=kubuntu_zesty_archive&id=b678d57e980c6c0768212fe59f83c45826f5ac23
[18:47] <acheronuk> so I guess is it just the hi-dpi section there taht is giving you bigger downloads
[18:48] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: a power tool shop?
 an Irish Pub
[19:03] <clivejo> you are in Ireland?
 Mmmmm kcookiejar
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/70V87HWa/file_2074.jpg
 no, I'm in Arad
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/D7ayFKen/file_2076.jpg
[19:20] <clivejo> how is it Irish?
 what makes a pub an Irish Pub?
 we have a JackDaniel's poster on the wall
 :-P
[19:31] <clivejo> also has Becks on poster on the wall
[19:31] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: ping ping PING
 @clivejo, @Sick_Rimmit
[19:36] <clivejo> thanks snowflake
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1ubmDvz2/file_2077.mp4
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/89PrnYIU/file_2078.mp4
 @clivejo, I will find you :P
[19:40] <clivejo> have a cookie
[19:40] <clivejo> they yummy
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mcurIord/file_2079.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/FFpM4gOe/file_2080.webp
 Stop @tsimonq2
 @ahoneybun, Make him stop
 Who?
 clivejo
 Doing what?
 The snowflake thing?
 hey cookie, can you approve my MR?
 @ahoneybun, Yes
[22:16] <clivejo> oh it does work
[22:17] <clivejo> rsibreak just blanked my screen and told me to rest!
[23:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_blogilo build #57: FAILURE in 53 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_blogilo/57/
[23:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_blogilo build #58: STILL FAILING in 52 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_blogilo/58/
[23:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[23:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_blogilo build #69: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_blogilo/69/
[23:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[23:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_blogilo build #51: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_blogilo/51/
[23:33] <clivejo> acheronuk: ping
[23:34] <acheronuk> clivejo: pong
[23:34] <clivejo> ^ blogilo failing on zesty, can you see why?
[23:35] <clivejo> CI::VersionEnforcer::UnauthorizedChangeError
[23:36] <acheronuk> LP git weirdness?
[23:37] <clivejo> hummm
[23:37] <clivejo> clearing the workspace
[23:37] <acheronuk> may help
[23:38] <clivejo> seems to have built the source ok
[23:38] <clivejo> weird
[23:42] <acheronuk> It's built that new one on linode whereas the failed one was on scaleway. maybe there is stale clone on scaleway that is triggering that failure due to an epoch or other git change it doesn't like?
[23:43] <acheronuk> dunno. I recall that happening before on some package, but can't remember if ever worked out the true cause
[23:46] <clivejo> grrrr
[23:46] <clivejo> Launchpad is temporarily unavailable
 Fun
[23:48] <clivejo> indeed
[23:48] <clivejo> I would say FUN!!!
[23:48] <valorie> huh, just used it
[23:49] <clivejo> well its telling KCI
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[23:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[23:49] <clivejo> oh
[23:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_blogilo build #59: FIXED in 11 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_blogilo/59/
[23:49] <clivejo> published anyway
 Excellent
[23:49] <clivejo> 23:49:17 All things are published, hooray!
[23:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akonadiconsole build #55: STILL FAILING in 45 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akonadiconsole/55/
[23:59] <acheronuk> LP was taking ages to load here a few mins ago. It's being on and off it seems
[23:59] <clivejo> another epoch issue


[04:25] <Narkov> Hi all. I'm trying to add a PGP key to Launchpad.net but I'm not getting the follow up email with instructions. Is there a known issue?
[04:27] <wgrant> Narkov: No known issues. Who is your email provider? Have you checked your spam filter?
[04:27] <Narkov> Definitely not getting any email (spam or otherwise). Have checked logs. Zero connects.
[04:28] <Narkov> I get the message "The key <key> has already been imported." but no key is listed in the user page.
[04:34] <Narkov> @wgrant Is it possible to somehow remove the half-added key and start the process again?
[04:42] <wgrant> Narkov: What's the key's fingerprint?
[04:43] <Narkov> @wgrant E83A 88B2 B027 9E82 57F5 50D0 0CA2 E42B FED1 CD34
[04:44] <Narkov> @wgrant I just noticed that you are in Melbourne. Hello from Brisbane :)
[04:44] <wgrant> Narkov: Ah, well there's your problem :)
[04:44] <wgrant> Not Brisbane, but https://launchpad.net/~nick-adams
[04:45] <wgrant> You have another Launchpad account, with that key already registered.
[04:45] <Narkov> Ok. That makes sense.
[04:45] <Narkov> How did you find that?
[04:46] <wgrant> SELECT name FROM person WHERE id = (SELECT owner FROM gpgkey WHERE fingerprint = 'E83A88B2B0279E8257F550D00CA2E42BFED1CD34');
[04:46] <wgrant> Not very helpful for you, unfortunately :)
[04:46] <Narkov> Ha! I appreciate the assistance.
[04:47] <Narkov> All that would need to change is the error message. "The key <key> has already been imported - **possibly on another account**."
[04:48] <wgrant> That UI is actually being rewritten at the moment.
[04:48] <wgrant> Hi thomi :)
[04:48]  * thomi ducks
[08:37] <segf4ult> hey guys, I'm having issues doing a build for my ppa, the buildserver says it can't find my public key
[09:34] <dholbach> hiya
[09:34] <dholbach> can somebody take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/292582 please?
[09:45] <wgrant> dholbach: Hm, what's the importance of that team? It just seems to have a mailing list.
[10:15] <dholbach> wgrant, it's used in summit.u.c
[10:17] <wgrant> dholbach: But there's only one member.
[10:17] <dholbach> wgrant, yes, the others all expired
[10:17] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[10:18] <dholbach> it'd reduce the bottleneck :)
[14:29] <dholbach> Another ping for https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/292582
[14:30] <cjwatson> dholbach: can't, please ask a webop
[14:30] <dholbach> ah ok, will do - thanks cjwatson


[04:55] <hikiko_> Hi
[05:14] <pitti> Good morning
[05:46] <duflu> Huh. Why do wily/vivid/trusty all say "supported"?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir
[05:46] <duflu> Morning hikiko, pitti
[05:46] <pitti> hello duflu
[05:47] <pitti> duflu: trusty regularly is, vivid is our longest-ever LTS because touch/snappy, and wily is somewhere between "some Launchpad builders still run it" and "infinity needs to flip it"
[05:48] <duflu> pitti: Oh, thanks. That means our upstream support status is wrong then
[05:48] <pitti> so vivid and wily are not really supported any more, just vivid+overlay for touch/snappy is
[05:50] <duflu> pitti: I remember now. I took the decision to mark old unrealistic Mir series' as obsolete before the distro was
[05:50] <duflu> Which is realistic
[06:14] <hikiko> hi duflu pitti :)
[07:54] <willcooke> Morning all
[07:57] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Morning
[07:58] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg!  Ready for round 2?
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[07:58] <willcooke> \m/
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> I slept like 10 men last night :-)
[07:58] <willcooke> ha!
[07:59] <willcooke> Hope you weren't around too late
[07:59] <flexiondotorg> Not really, it was Sunday that was the issue.
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> The office that I now sit in, was a store room a few weeks ago.
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Spent every weekend since knocking it into shape, which concluded at 01:14 on Monday morning :-)
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> But it was worth it.
[08:00] <willcooke> oh boy
[08:01] <willcooke> It's nice to have a place to work which isn't just the kitchen table though
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> I have several friends who work from home (not Canonical) who I spoke to.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Their top advice is make your office a nice place to be.
[08:02] <Laney> brrrrrrrrrr
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> So I did.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> I built a "man cave".
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Morning.
[08:02] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:03] <Laney> Ahoy chaps
[08:03] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:03] <willcooke> I'm hoping to move my office in to the garage (well, half the garage)
[08:03] <willcooke> had a builder come round last night
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Good. I've been out for my morning walk. Bracing!
[08:03] <willcooke> it'll give me a tiny bit more room, but more importantly it'll be away from crying toddlers
[08:04] <Laney> 6 feet of insulation required first?
[08:05] <willcooke> they have some special plasterboard which, as an added bonus, blocks out a lot of the sound
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> I've been toying with converting our garage.
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Sadly it is now full of all the junk I displaced while build this office.
[08:07] <willcooke> ha, the eternal struggle
[08:07] <willcooke> garage -> loft -> shed -> garage
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> When the easiest solution is "make the house bigger", rather than "have a clear out", then you know you've got a problem ;-)
[08:10] <willcooke> :))
[08:27] <didrocks> too much ukish in this channel, let's introduce some frenchness! :)
[08:27] <didrocks> hey guys! (even if up for longgggggg)
[08:29] <flexiondotorg> Morning didrocks o/
[08:34] <davmor2> didrocks: guten tag old chap, damn it I tried to de-English for you and failed sorry :P
[08:38] <didrocks> davmor2: I'm sure you have time to get better to it! ;)
[08:39] <davmor2> didrocks: whato me owld mucka
[08:39] <willcooke> bonjour didrocks.  If it makes you feel any better I had a fresh croissant for breakfast.
[08:40] <davmor2> willcooke: pfff that's a lie, you had a shop bought croissant for breakfast they are a pain in the arse to make fresh I know
[08:41] <didrocks> willcooke: as long as it doesn't have chocolate in it, I'm good, you know about this! :)
[08:41] <willcooke> davmor2, it was from a shop, but it was made at the instore bakery
[08:41] <willcooke> it's as close as we're gonna get
[08:41] <davmor2> willcooke: :)
[08:41] <willcooke> this side of la Manche anyway
[08:42] <didrocks> so few kilometers to get it right though :-)
[08:42] <willcooke> lol
[08:45] <davmor2> willcooke: don't succumb didrocks is just trying to europify us again and you know we hate that so much ;)  Just start moaning about the weather and it'll pass :D
[08:45] <willcooke> davmor2, . . o O ( Bloody foreigners )
[08:46] <willcooke> phew, back to normal
[08:49] <davmor2> hahaha
[08:51] <Laney> davmor2: can you give https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 a blast when you get a bit please?
[08:54] <davmor2> Laney: sure
[08:55] <Laney> insert kissing emoji here
[08:55] <Laney> NO
[08:55] <Laney> 😘
[08:55] <Laney> hope you can see that, 'cos I can't
[08:55] <davmor2> Laney: decorum man
[08:59]  * duflu is confused
[09:04] <willcooke> Laney, have you seen emoj?  (snap find emoj)
[09:05] <Laney> I saw a post somewhere about that
[09:05] <Laney> looked fun
[09:05] <willcooke> G+ prolly
[09:06] <willcooke> 👽
[09:06] <Laney> still can't see them
[09:06] <Laney> never figured out that screen problem from months ago
[09:07] <davmor2> Laney: ah there is your issue use tmux or byobu or something noah didn't save from drowning ;)
[09:08] <Laney> get orf my lawn
[09:34] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: Not an issue with hidpi but following the path for the checkbox I noticed that the is a grey block left behind by unchecking a video in Totem/Videos should it revert to show the full thumbnail?
[09:34] <Laney> press cancel at the top
[09:35] <davmor2> Laney: yeap that gets rid of it thanks
[09:35] <Laney> np
[09:35] <Laney> right clicking goes into a selection mode
[10:58] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke, jibel: So I have tested https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 in scale mode x2 (dells default) and in scale mode x1 the ubuntu default, everything I've looked at is great except our own webbrowser that doesn't seem to honour the scaling at all but that is no different than without the silo
[10:59] <Laney> it just changes some images in the theme
[10:59] <Laney> thanks for testing!
[11:15] <Laney> hmm
[11:15] <Laney> why doesn't NotShowIn work?
[11:26] <Laney> oh
[11:26] <Laney> wh
[11:28] <Laney> you know when you propose a simple fix and end up shaving a whole herd of yaks
[11:28]  * Laney is in this fresh hell
[11:50]  * flexiondotorg goes to get lunch
[11:56]  * Laney weeps
[12:05] <Laney> HA
[12:05] <Laney> IN YOUR FACE
[12:43] <desrt> hihi hippies
[12:47] <willcooke> howdy desrt
[12:47] <desrt> good morning willcooke
[12:51]  * flexiondotorg returns
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, Do you have access to HiDPI capable hardware for testing?
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> desrt, o/
[12:53] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: I have a 4k xps13
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> OK, me too.
[12:53] <desrt> flexiondotorg: good morning
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> I was just setting it up while having lunch.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> Installed 16.04.1, did updates. Moving the Scale slider in the Display settings does nothing.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> Can you confirm?
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> I had the same on my XPS 15 lastnight.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> I'm sure it worked a few weeks back.
[12:56] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: scale slider is working for me on 16.10, and worked for me on 16.04.1 when it was released, But I can do an upgrade test tomorrow and try it out while I'm at it
[12:56] <flexiondotorg> OK, thanks.
[12:57] <flexiondotorg> I'll test them both again this evening and see if it is reliably reproducible.
[12:57] <flexiondotorg> Any confirmation from yourself would be good :-)
[14:29]  * desrt senses a brief disturbance before remembering "oh ya... still DST."
[14:29] <willcooke> :)
[15:30] <willcooke> ding ding ding
[15:30] <desrt> hihi
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-27
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 27 15:30:38 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (at conf), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <Trevinho> eo/
[15:30] <qengho> Aiee!
[15:31] <Laney> meow
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:32] <FJKong> halo
[15:32] <andyrock> hola
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's give people a couple of mins and we'll start
[15:33] <Sweet5hark1> .
[15:33] <willcooke> Let's start
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> so still working on unity8 tooltips
[15:33] <andyrock> i sent a mp
[15:34] <andyrock> got a review (working on fixing it)
[15:34] <andyrock> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> Thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey, not much news this week
[15:35] <attente> was debugging issues with the jhbuild snapcraft plugin integration tests, not really sure how to resolve that :/
[15:35] <attente> currently looking into gtk-mir clipboard support with content-hub
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente.
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> hey
[15:35] <desrt> had a couple of doctors appts this week
[15:36] <desrt> but... dconf now supports lockdown on paths, plus has support for "negative" lockdown (ie: negate locked down path with more specific permitted things)
[15:36] <desrt> attente: would appreciate it we can sync up on reviews for this after the meeting, since dconf doesn't really have any !me contributors
[15:36] <desrt> eof.
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hi
[15:37] <dgadomski> just got back after being off for 2 weeks, so no updates really :)
[15:37] <willcooke> Hope you had a nice break dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> hi
[15:37] <FJKong> bugs on #1575353 and #1628086 reported
[15:37] <FJKong> snap packaging gnuradio and cqrlog on progressing.
[15:37] <FJKong> spend some time learn about pulseaudio
[15:37] <FJKong> give NUDT guys help to unstand IM code structure.
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:37] <willcooke> Welcome!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> I'm new here :-)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> I've just about completed all my New Starter stuff.
[15:38] <desrt> flexiondotorg: welcome :)
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> flexiondotorg: welcome!
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> So I can be contacted in all the right places.
[15:38] <qengho> Internet over radio?!
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> Indeed. Broadcasting at you right now!
[15:38] <willcooke> We're very happy you're here flexiondotorg
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> I've been given a list of bugs to work through and start on that a couple of hours ago.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> :) thanks flexiondotorg
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:39] <willcooke> Holidays & Bugs
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:40] <Laney> hi pals
[15:40] <Laney> • More futzing around with asgen - some mysterious crashes; reported. Recompiled with ldc, and seems more stable now. See for yourself: http://appstream.staging.ubuntu.com/
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ todo: backport appstream, ldc, debhelper, dh-autoreconf, build with ldc.
[15:40] <Laney> • Made the MIR report show Fix Released bugs so you can see which ones are just re-promotions
[15:40] <Laney> • Reviewed hidpi icons branch and fixed some errors, to land after the beta.
[15:40] <Laney> • Poked at guest session breakage and punted to the security team.
[15:40] <Laney> • Some work on OnlyShowIn/NotShowIn/DesktopNames stuff, so we can hide the new Terminal in Unity 8. This turned out to be a massive rabbit hole, but I know what to do now.
[15:40] <Laney> • FFe and queue reviews.
[15:40] <Laney> • Tested and synced the glib stable release.
[15:40] <Laney> • Some work on rls-y bugs:
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Fixed a crash on i386 in gnome-software, and uploaded to X/Y.
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Checked out a gvfs patch for properly showing removable drives and cherry-picked that.
[15:40] <Laney> 🚼
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:41] <qengho> * Chromium 53.0.2785.113 debugging on Yakkety. Not memory allocator. Little progress.
[15:41] <qengho> * Chromium rpi crash. Maybe some NEON instructions? Maybe.
[15:41] <qengho> * browsers & Google API. Rotated. Disabled keys. Still errors. Trying to find a human to help make sense of it.
[15:41] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho, let me know what you find out
[15:41] <qengho> Will do Will.
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> .
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - three days PTO (Wed, Thu, Fri)
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - sprint travel prep
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to ppa
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to snap (edge, beta, candidate channels)
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - some upstream mentoring and advise on commit I did earlier
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:42] <willcooke> * Continued working on bug 1574324. Thanks to Simon's help, we have somewhere to start adding debugging messages to get to the problem. Through a log I obtained thanks to getting some hardware that exhibits the problem, as well as logs from other users over time, I've already started back tracking and reading the code to get to the bottom.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Built a package for the reporter of bug 1608820 to test, similar to the above bug, disabled the bluetooth ubuntu touch packages to see if the bug is still present with vanilla upstream pulse 9 code.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Started planing for 17.04, further accessibility profile manager improvements, unity 8 accessibility, which will likely be the focus, and will be a multi-cycle project.
[15:42] <willcooke> * I also plan to do some iso testing in the coming week, to check accessibility and accessibility profiles making sure things work well enough there.
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript: Fixed media source, manual feed, and media type options of the PCL XL driver upstream and in Yakkety
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - HPLIP: Fixed bug of some PPDs being broken
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.11.4 fixing a possible cause of infinite loops in cups-browsed, fixed inaccuracy of printing in low resolution (bar codes on lable printers).
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups: Synced Debian package with a fix of a bug which caused infinite loops.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Various cleanups in unity8 MenuItemFactory to use new slots-based components
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fixed an issue of SlotsLayout in ui-components that caused paddings changes not to be dynamic
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Creating menu item styles for pointer and touch modes
[15:43] <Trevinho>  -- And here it is
[15:45] <willcooke> eof Trevinho? Wondering if there was a link coming?
[15:45] <Trevinho> EOF; yeah...
[15:45] <Trevinho> sorry :-)
[15:45] <willcooke> thx Trevinho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:46] <Laney> tension
[15:46] <willcooke> Missing your bullets this week, but I know there has been work on landing fixes for G-S in Y while we wait for the MIR for snapdblig
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:46] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[15:47] <willcooke> You probably already know, but Beta 2 is delayed due to some kernel regressions.  Desktop ISO will get released at the same time as the others
[15:47] <willcooke> If there's nothing else, let's wrap.  Going once....
[15:47] <willcooke> .. twice ..
[15:48] <willcooke> .. thrice ..
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 15:48:15 2016 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-27-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:48] <Laney> danke
[15:48] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[15:49] <Sweet5hark1> merci
[16:28] <Laney> Trevinho: want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-lens-applications/dont-set-desktop-env/+merge/306914 quickly please?
[16:28] <Trevinho> Laney: ok
[16:31] <Laney> youuuuuuuu are my favourite
[16:35] <Trevinho> :)
[17:01] <willcooke>  right, dinner time and child wrangling duties
[17:01] <willcooke> night all
[17:12] <Laney> me too
[17:12] <Laney> nighty night
[17:37] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend?
[18:52]  * flexiondotorg sort of finishes for the day.
[22:04] <TheMuso> flexiondotorg: Welcome dude, glad to have you abord. :)
[22:05] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso, Thanks:-)
[23:33] <robert_ancell> Laney, I think you didn't push your fix to bug 1571729 to wip/ubuntu? I cherry-picked it from wip/ubuntu-xenial but it has a different ID


[07:54] <RikMills> ricotz: sounds like this guy is using a PPA 7.2 LP: #1944113
[08:00] <ricotz> RikMills, hi, yes, unfortunately there is more https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144585
[08:01] <RikMills> ah, thanks
[14:44] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1943189
[14:44] <RikMills> juliank Eickmeyer are you going to do a fixed upload for impish?
[14:45] <juliank> RikMills: it's been done
[14:46] <RikMills> juliank: apologies, as soon as I typed the above I realise I forgot to check the unapproved queue
[14:46]  * RikMills hangs head in shame
[14:46] <juliank> RikMills: Sorry, I forgot to set it to fix committed
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> juliank: Thanks!
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: I take it the glibc fix is going to take a Foundations team meeting?
[15:13] <jawn-smith> Does anyone know about a change to UTF-8 normalization between hirsute and impish? I have an autopkgtest failing on normalizing umlauts
[15:13] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: See #ubuntu-release there is a test build being done
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Oh, sweet! Thanks for the info. :)
[15:42] <jawn-smith> doko: I have syncthing passing tests with Go 1.17 against a PPA that updates some dependencies of syncthing. I have some questions for mwhudson before moving forward with that
[17:48] <sergiodj> jawn-smith: heya, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1944621 came up during my triage today.  it seems like you're already on top of it, but let me know if you need help with anything
[17:53] <jawn-smith> sergiodj: thanks for reaching out! I think it really just needs an upload, unless cjwatson feels it needs more work to make the configuration change more conditional based on kernel version or something
[17:54] <sergiodj> jawn-smith: ack :).  thanks for driving this forward
[18:40] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: Kernel version checks at build time don't work for this sort of thing, and I don't think it justifies bothering with a run-time check
[18:43] <jawn-smith> cjwatson: so are you comfortable with always configuring with ac_cv_func_closefrom=no as in the patch uploaded to LP: #1944621 ?
[18:44] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: yes
[18:44] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[18:45] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: Strictly speaking it should be further up (just below "confflags += ac_cv_header_sha2_h=false"), but since Ubuntu no longer cares about the udeb build I suppose it doesn't matter much)
[18:46] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: Also should reference the actual bug rather than "an issue"
[18:46] <jawn-smith> cjwatson: will do, thanks
[18:47] <jawn-smith> cjwatson: our LP bug number or the upstream bugzilla report I made?
[18:47] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: *shrug*
[18:47] <cjwatson> As long as it's possible to find an actual description of the issue
[18:48] <jawn-smith> okay thanks
[18:51] <jawn-smith> cjwatson, sergiodj: new patch uploaded to the LP bug
[18:57] <cjwatson> jawn-smith: LGTM (except for s/failues/failures/), though I don't have time to upload it atm, hopefully somebody else can
[19:00] <jawn-smith> Ah, apparently I cannot type
[20:41] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: in practice yes
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: That's kinda what I thought, but wanted to verify. I get that even though it's a small change it has a large impact on, well, everything since that's what it touches.
[20:42] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer: yeah it *should* be safe but well. it's glibc
[20:42] <mwhudson> i'll probably upload today, so like 4-5 hours
[20:43] <mwhudson> it built in my ppa and i'm running the autopkgtests now
[20:43] <mwhudson> probably won't want for them to finish on arm*
[20:43] <mwhudson> *wait
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> mwhudson: Yeah, totally. amd64 is where the majority of people are seeing failures, I'd guess.
[20:51] <mwhudson> bdmurray: should ubuntu do something like https://salsa.debian.org/glibc-team/tzdata/-/compare/12b4cc8aebff8b5fa9a56d20f2ea54901310b57e...2ade6fb8221af1497eb906f736999efe8c742a90 ?


[03:50] <m0nkey_> Should be interesting. Seems that Windows 10 is finally getting ANSI escape codes in console mode.
[03:50] <m0nkey_> http://www.nivot.org/blog/post/2016/02/04/Windows-10-TH2-(v1511)-Console-Host-Enhancements
[06:07] <\sv> helo
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning boys ans girls.
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> looks like spring has sprung finally... at least till the next storm hits in a few days http://www.carrollsirishgifts.com/livedublinwebcam
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> Bit windy today, not the best day to have done what I got away with [no power cuts]
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> you got away with no power cuts?
[13:43] <SuperEngineer> I have shrunk main partition, created a games partition, redownloaded games to it.
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> ah partition work
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> always exciting :)
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> ...&, yup, no power cuts [lot of building going on locally - lots of exposed things that shouldn't be] - 2 power cuts last week alone
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> partitioning during possible cuts... not recommended fotr those with poorly hearts ;-)
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> well there's the UPS route
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, all UPS contributions welcome!
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> [normal delivery will do]
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> [UPS = u'll probably seriouslyregretnothavingonesoon]
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it's pronounced "OOPS"
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> or "Whoops" - if power cut had occurred
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> [well, that's the polite version]
[13:50] <penguin42> why dont small UPSs these days let you attach a solar panel?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: because a solar panel won't be enough?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> though my laptop charger is 45W and 45W of solar panel can be made in a reasonable size these days
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, because solar panels are big and superglue won't hold them onto the UPS?
[13:51] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Right but it should give you some and it seems like the easy place to merge a solar installation in?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: what about power outages at night though
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> *lunar panels*!
[13:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh I mean it has a mains input as well, but if it's got solar power coming in then it takes the power from that
[13:53] <SuperEngineer> Isn't that more of a solar array's job, a few solar panels - big battery storage needed for UPS
[13:54] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: But if you've got a solar panel on your building then it seems silly to charge it's own batteries then invert that back to mains and then use that to charge a UPS that converts it back to 12v on the batteries to invert it back to mains
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> There was this guy in my town who's converted his whole house to 12V only
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> 12V-DC*
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> sadly, he was also a mad conspiracy theory kind of guy, and blew up himself and most of his building
[13:55] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, I was thinking of getting the UPS charged via solar panels - battery backup needed for charge during low power
[13:55] <penguin42> haha
[13:56] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Right, that's what I was after
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> I once did a clean up of a Windows system for a chap who was rather "proud" of his home built UPS
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> ...a load of car batteries!
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> His system was full of chkdsk files :-D
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> and a 555 tuned to 50Hz?  I want to do a complete /home reinstal for 16.04
[14:04] <SuperEngineer> ...will Steam, if pointed at my Games partition, pick up the downloaded games?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> You may have to re-click "Download game" but it'll complete after a checksum verification
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> [... probably gonna have to wait to find out the hard way]  ;-)
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, good news, thanks
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> Dear BBC weather, I know it's gonna get nasty - I was talking Steam, not Storm!  ;-)
[14:19] <penguin42> haha
[16:05]  * zmoylan-pi nurses hot mug of coffee after long walk outside in wind and rain and cold
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> [& hangs wellies up to dry somewhere not "upside down over bed", I hope]
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> nah, i never liked wearing wellies... mucked around on too many boats and wellies were 'bad' as they would slow you down in a pinch
[16:14] <penguin42> :also never liked wellies, I tend to wear steel toed boots in the winter all the time
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> steel toed shoes especially around repairing pcs... the one time i didn't i had a desk collapse and server with twin redundant power transformers land on my foot...
[16:22] <penguin42> I just started wearing them because 1) I like to have water proof shoes in wet manchester winters  2) I like to have the room to wiggle my toes around    - but yes they are nice when dealing with heavy kit
[18:36] <penguin42>  'Europe' are going to make a fortune on 'The final countdown'   when they actually get around to a referendum
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> you can look forward to extensive coverage of all the fringe looper parties...
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be like spode in jeeves and wooster all over again...
[19:18] <gebbione> hi all. is anyone experiencing sudden kill and logout from the desktop session? (14.04) what is the best way to investigate


[20:59] <afroman> hello
[20:59] <afroman> how can I connect just my bluetooth headset to ekiga or twinkle without setting the bluetooth headset as the default sound device??
[21:00] <JakobSteinn> Is anyone here?
[21:00] <cjohnston> afroman: try #ubuntu for support.
[21:00] <cjohnston> JakobSteinn: yes?
[21:01] <JakobSteinn> is there a lesson going on? sorry the silly question
[21:02] <cjohnston> Not right now.. Check out the link to the classroom in the topic for info on the next one.
[21:05] <JakobSteinn> thanks (: I'll be there next time.
[22:59] <popey> testing lernid
[23:00] <popey> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[23:01] <james_w> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


[01:21] <bazhang> k1l, we should probably heads up the OT ops on incoming
[21:46] <IdleOne> bazhang: surprised, you usually recommend hurd
[21:46] <IdleOne> :)
[21:47] <bazhang> IdleOne, shocked to see you doing #ubuntu support!
[21:47] <IdleOne> meh, not really support. I just happened to look over and read the french accent
[21:47] <bazhang> I wonder if emacs irc client has a snapshot tool
[21:47] <bazhang> chu^
[22:20] <dax> handled ^


[00:05] <elopio> veebers: I got the output for debian packages working. The click packages are getting stuck during app launch. I'll figure it out when I get back from the gym. And I'll add the rest of the apps too.
[00:06] <elopio> veebers: do you want me to send you the directories with the results?
[00:13] <elopio> veebers: I need to go now. I'll take care of the nfss script also when I get back.
[00:13] <elopio> bbl
[00:35] <veebers> elopio: sorry was at lunch. Following up now
[01:04] <veebers> elopio: fyi, looking at the nfss script right night, will have something to show you a little later on
[01:04] <veebers> (if you can please review those MPs from earlier so we can burn those cards)
[03:31] <elopio> ok, lets get this done
[03:31] <veebers> elopio: you talking to me? :-)
[13:20] <balloons> round 2!
[13:23] <DanChapman> balloons: hey! how's it going? Are you running any sessions tomorrow at 16:00 UTC? dpm kindly added testing topics to the etherpad so would be great to have you there to bounce stuff off if your available :-D
[13:23] <DanChapman> balloons: dekko session that is
[13:23] <balloons> DanChapman, hehe indeed. I know you know all about AP :-)
[13:24] <balloons> DanChapman, I don't see any conflicts at that time, happy to join
[13:27] <DanChapman> balloons: awesome thanks!! looking forward to it :-D . Although my AP skills are probably a bit rusty now ;-p
[14:39] <rhuddie> elopio, hey. when you are around could you give me a hand with getting health-check tests onto new project branch?
[14:43] <elopio> good morning
[14:43] <elopio> rhuddie: I'm here.
[14:44] <rhuddie> elopio, great
[14:44] <rhuddie> elopio, I registered a new project to put the health-check tests on, but I'm having probs actually pushing code to it
[14:44] <rhuddie> elopio, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-health-check-tests
[14:46] <elopio> rhuddie: like this?
[14:46] <elopio> bzr push --use-existing-dir lp:ubuntu-health-check-tests
[14:47] <rhuddie> elopio, yes, I did try that, but I get this error: bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "+branch/ubuntu-health-check-tests/trunk/"
[14:48] <elopio> um, that sounds familiar
[14:48] <rhuddie> elopio, but I've also seen this one too: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8988200/
[14:50] <rhuddie> elopio, that one was where I tried to push from a branch of lp:ubuntu-test-cases/touch (to get the initial code populated before merging my changes)
[14:51] <rhuddie> elopio, I wasn't sure whether I should start with a branch of ubuntu-test-cases/touch, push that, and then try to merge my changes once that was done.
[14:51] <elopio> rhuddie: try pushing to lp:~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-health-check-tests/touch
[14:51] <rhuddie> elopio, I'm fairly sure I tried that too, but let me double check
[14:51] <elopio> rhuddie: sorry, not touch.
[14:51] <elopio> trunk
[14:52] <rhuddie> yes, trunk
[14:53] <elopio> rhuddie: sorry, I don't know. But why are you making an independent project instead of merging it into ubuntu-test-cases/touch ?
[14:53] <rhuddie> elopio, that was the decision from yesterday's meeting
[14:54] <elopio> rhuddie: for all the project, or just for this one? I guess I missed that part.
[14:54] <rhuddie> elopio, just for the health-check one
[14:55] <elopio> rhuddie: got it. Maybe ask vila?
[14:55] <rhuddie> elopio, ok.
[15:03] <elopio> balloons: my sprint closing meeting is at the same time as the QML testing session.
[15:04] <elopio> balloons: was there something specific you wanted to ask me for that session? or just open discussion?
[15:09] <balloons> elopio, just open discussion
[15:10] <balloons> elopio, no worries if you can't make it
[15:10] <elopio> balloons: I think you know
[15:11] <elopio> my mind.
[15:11] <elopio> I won't make it, but feel free to ping me if needed. I don't think thomi will bother for a couple of minutes.
[15:26] <alesage> pitti, adt-clarification: I'm reading from man adt-run that exit 4 signifies at least one test has failed--just want to verify (question from veebers): should we all be using 4 to exit?  (i.e. is this picked up in the infrastructure, informative, etc.)
[15:27] <pitti> alesage: well, if you want to; but I think the usual "non-zero is bad" should suffice in most cases; just adt-run differs between "some failures", "no tests", "some skipped", "bad testbed", etc.
[15:28] <pitti> alesage: e. g. unittest or autopilot already behave differently
[15:28] <alesage> pitti ok yes I thought I was just being more specific using 4
[15:28] <alesage> pitti also I'd appreciate another review of that (our sprint is coming to a close ;) ) https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/lrt/lrt-to-dep8/+merge/241353
[16:01] <pitti> alesage: oh nice, flight-mode just works as user?
[16:01] <alesage> pitti let me verify, appears yes :)
[16:02] <alesage> (either this or the indicator crashed :) )
[16:02] <pitti> alesage: ah yes, it' sjust a d-bus call
[16:02] <pitti> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ /usr/share/urfkill/scripts/flight-mode 1
[16:02] <pitti> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.URfkill.Daemon.Error.General: not authorized
[16:02] <pitti> :(
[16:03] <pitti> it might be limited to a local session
[16:04] <pitti> alesage: so this one is tricky; the script might be able to tell the network-indicator to do the request (as that's running in the unity session)
[16:05] <pitti> right, see /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.urfkill.policy
[16:05] <alesage> egads
[16:05] <alesage> we need a robotic hand to go in and re-enable instead :)
[16:06] <pitti> alesage: also, adt-run isn't using phablet-shell (although it's fairly close -- still ssh); it might actually behave differently there
[16:07] <alesage> pitti interesting
[16:10] <pitti> alesage: followed up to the branch with that summary
[16:11] <alesage> pitti thank you
[16:11] <alesage> (sorry in a mtg)
[16:13] <elopio> pitti: so, can we do reboots now?
[16:13] <pitti> elopio: yes, sir!
[16:14] <pitti> elopio: I figured that out for rhuddie, didn't know that you need it too
[16:14] <elopio> cool, just in time as I might need it now.
[16:14] <elopio> pitti: I didn't know either. Maybe the utah script I was looking at was doing a magic reboot
[16:14] <pitti> elopio: that is, reboots in qemu have worked for a long time, but I figure you mean touch :) you'll need 3.7.1git2 from vivid
[16:14]  * elopio updates
[16:15] <pitti> elopio: hm, I didn't actually manage to get reboot working in UTAH
[16:15] <pitti> elopio: that was the original plan, to do systemd testing in UTAH, but I remember debugging that with psivaa and we couldn't get it to work
[16:15] <pitti> so it became an autopkgtest instead
[16:15] <pitti> (in retrospect I'm glad, as it's also making kernel testing and the like much better)
[16:15] <elopio> pitti: tests look much better this way.
[16:15] <rhuddie> pitti, I tested the reboots earlier on touch, it was working perfectly, thanks
[16:16] <pitti> \o/
[16:16] <elopio> I'm puzzled as how this tests ever worked.
[16:16] <pitti> elopio: well, we didn't actually run a lot of them
[16:17] <pitti> Max had a look at the utah error back then, but it was too hard to quick-fix, so we just gave up
[16:17] <pitti> anyway, history
[16:35] <elopio> and we have a data file \o/
[16:36] <elopio> rhuddie: did you figure out the bzr problem?
[16:37] <elopio> ping nuclearbob:
[16:37] <rhuddie> elopio, somehow!
[16:37] <rhuddie> elopio, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-health-check-tests/trunk
[16:37] <elopio> nuclearbob: I need some help with this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~veebers/+junk/app-startup-nfss-gen/view/head:/scripts/app-startup-nfss-datafile-generator.py
[16:38] <elopio> rhuddie: cool :)
[16:38] <elopio> alesage: what about you? are you missing something?
[16:38] <alesage> elopio in a minute, thanks--just writing an e-mail
[16:45] <elopio> pitti: adt-run requires us to put a debian/changelog file. I found that weird. Is there a reason?
[16:47] <pitti> elopio: oh -- I guess it uses that to determine the package version that you are trying to test, as we usually want this as an artifact
[16:47] <pitti> elopio: but this can easily be rectified, you'd then just won't get such a version in the output if it's not there
[16:47] <pitti> elopio: mind filing a but about it?
[16:47] <elopio> pitti: sure. What is the name of the project?
[16:48] <pitti> elopio: autopkgtest package (not project)
[16:49] <balloons> oO interesting
[16:51] <elopio> pitti: I have the right version, but I got:
[16:51] <elopio> /sbin/autopkgtest-reboot: 3: /sbin/autopkgtest-reboot: cannot create /run/autopkgtest-reboot-mark: Permission denied
[16:54] <pitti> elopio: ah -- missing root
[16:54] <pitti> elopio: --- ssh -s adb -- -p s3kr1t
[16:54] <pitti> elopio: you are apparetnly not using 0000 as password :) (that's the one it tries by itself)
[16:55] <elopio> pitti: I'm passing it: --- ssh -s adb -P 1234
[16:55] <elopio> should I add -- -p too?
[17:00] <pitti> elopio: it's ssh -s adb -- -p 1234
[17:00] <pitti> elopio: the -- is important -- the -p is an argument for "adb", not to "ssh"
[17:00] <pitti> (and yes, the CLI is complicated -- you are dealing with three different programs :/)
[17:01] <pitti> adt-run, the virt runner (ssh), and the setup script for ssh (adb)
[17:06] <elopio> pitti: it is complex indeed. But I got the same error
[17:06] <elopio> $ adt-run -B --built-tree=tests/app-startup --setup-commands=tests/app-startup/debian/tests/setup --output-dir=output --- ssh -s adb -- -p 1234
[17:07] <pitti> elopio: can I have the full log, please?
[17:08] <pitti> elopio: does it say anywhere something like "I have no root privileges"?
[17:08] <elopio> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8990168/
[17:09] <elopio> oh, sorry, that one went with both -P and -p. It's the same with the line I pasted before.
[17:09] <elopio> I don't see any other errors.
[17:09] <pitti> elopio: ah!
[17:09] <pitti> elopio: that's output from the test itself
[17:09] <pitti> elopio: so, your test isn't running as root, thus it can't reboot
[17:10] <pitti> elopio: Restrictions: needs-root
[17:10] <elopio> pitti: oh, but then I get back to the ubuntu-app-launch error of yesterday.
[17:11] <pitti> elopio: argh -- I hope we won't need a suid root reboot helper :/
[17:11] <pitti> elopio: when exactly do you need to reboot?
[17:11] <pitti> elopio: i. e. would it be possible to have something like:
[17:12] <pitti> Tests: autopilot
[17:12] <pitti> [...]
[17:12] <pitti> Tests: some-rooty-bits-which-reboot
[17:12] <pitti> Restrictions: needs-root
[17:12] <pitti> Tests: some-more-user-stuff
[17:12] <pitti> [...]
[17:14] <pitti> elopio: or asked differently, why do you need a complete reboot, as opposed to a mere session restart?
[17:14] <pitti> if your tests run as user, they shouln't be able to break anything on the machine which you couldn't revert as user?
[17:15] <elopio> pitti: ted said: <ted> ricmm, We reset the environment variables to set them before unity starts.
 ricmm, So you can restart the session, but makes as much sense to reboot.
[17:15] <elopio> pitti: how do I restart the session?
[17:16] <pitti> elopio: in the simplest case, just kill -9 -1 :) but I'm sure that there's some more elaborate dbus-y way
[17:16] <elopio> pitti: that seems to do the trick allright.
[17:17] <pitti> elopio: so if you need a full reboot, you can still do the Tests: split from above
[17:17] <pitti> elopio: i. e. do preparation as root, then run the acual test as user
[17:19] <elopio> after I killed the session, I can't adb into the device anymore. I might have to try the other one.
[17:20] <pitti> elopio: ah right, you are killing adbd, it runs as user now
[17:20] <pitti> elopio: so that (dbus session shutdown), or test preparation as root, then the test as user?
[17:21] <elopio> pitti: test preparation as root.
[17:21] <elopio> that has the added benefit that I won't have to pass the setup script to adt.
[17:21] <pitti> right
[17:40] <alesage> o of course your desktop doesn't have flight mode, so you can't d-bus introspect to figure out which action to use >:(
[17:41] <alesage> need d-feet for touch
[17:43] <elopio> alesage: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-test-cases/dep8-app-startup/+merge/241613
[17:43] <elopio> in case you have some time for a review.
[17:43] <alesage> elopio ok will switch to that
[17:43] <pitti> alesage: gdbus introspect works quite well on the phone
[17:43] <alesage> pitti ok was wondering which to use thx
[17:44] <pitti> alesage: in theory you can apt-get install d-feet on the device, and then use ssh -X to display it on your workstation; but it's pulling a ton of packages :/
[17:45] <alesage> pitti whoa actual x-forwarding :) , maybe I'll actually get to the point of wanting that soon
[17:45] <alesage> that'd make a fun blog post
[17:45] <pitti> alesage: that bit works just fine; but it's needing gtk, libx11 and all that
[17:46] <pitti> (on the phone)
[17:46] <alesage> right would probably stomp what limited space I have
[17:49] <elopio> thanks alesage.
[17:58] <alesage> elopio, ping
[21:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, got time for filemanager ?
[22:05] <dkessel> balloons, knome - i am going to bed. just wanted to share a wip screenshot of my qa tracker branch: https://imgur.com/0dp7gsk .
[22:05] <dkessel> maybe you have some comments. but all in all, i am working to build what you guys gave me as a screenshot...
[22:07] <knome> looks good
[22:07] <knome> an good night!
[22:07] <knome> and too
[22:17] <balloons> dkessel, wow, that's pretty sweet already


 wxl: this is bashism then? wpBg=$(grep 'BgColor=' $settingsFile) ... wpBg=${wpBg:8}
 that sounds like a wordpress-ism
[00:05] <wxl> yep
 ah, my bad.
[00:05] <teward> wait
[00:05] <teward> wxl: who were you replying to :P
[00:05] <wxl> you could use `` instead of $()
[00:05] <teward> wxl: ehhhhh
[00:05] <wxl> but that substring bit is totally unportable
[00:06] <teward> wxl: last time I checked ` ` is recommended to $() not backticks
[00:06] <wxl> teward: not you, go back to your caffeine drip, you junkie
[00:06] <teward> wxl: what caffeine drip?  *sips on coffee*
[00:06] <teward> :P
[00:06] <wxl> um those ARE backticks
[00:06] <teward> wxl: i didn't say `` is recommended.
[00:07] <teward> i said that the recommendation is to repalce `` with $() calls
[00:07] <teward> i mistyped that
[00:07] <teward> but i'm sorta being bumped around and crap in the hospital waiting room here
[00:07] <wxl> i don't think that's portable in /bin/sh but could be wrong
[00:07] <teward> so blah.
[00:07] <teward> wxl: well are we talking about Bash or Dash?
[00:07] <wxl> /bin/sh
[00:07] <teward> because they're different :P
[00:07] <wxl> and ultimately, POSIX-compliance
[00:07] <teward> you mean Dash :p
[00:08] <wxl> no
[00:08] <teward> /bin/sh is symlinked to Dash in *buntu
[00:08] <teward> so
[00:08] <teward> yes
[00:08] <wxl> but that's as close as it gets
[00:08] <teward> you do
[00:08] <teward> i'll leave you be :)
[00:09] <wxl> for example in free bsd, $() fails
 @wxl [<wxl> but that substring bit is totally unportable], but actually what i want to get is what is after the =, I know that is after the 8 position, that is why I substring it.
[00:17] <wxl> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40771231/how-to-check-substring-in-bourne-shell
 wxl: this is not bashism?
 j=$((j + 1))
 or more general
[00:32] <wxl> it is, afaik
 OUT=`/usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check` ...         IFS='x' ...         j=0 ...         for STRING in $OUT; do ...             case $j in  ...                 0) ...                     upg=$STRING;; ...                 1) ...                     security=$STRING;; ...             esac ...             j=$((j + 1)) ...         done
[00:36] <wxl> j=`expr $j + 1`
 These features are not required by POSIX. ... foo=$((n++)) can be replaced with foo=$n; $((n=n+1)) foo=$((++n)) can be replaced with foo=$((n=n+1))
[00:45] <wxl> it won't work EVERYWHERE
[00:45] <wxl> i use freebsd as the ultimate test
[00:45] <wxl> but maybe that's a bad test :)
[00:46] <wxl> i guess for our sake if it works in dash, you'll probably be ok
 jeje I got it from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[00:46] <wxl> that yeah
 wxl: you understand set — $var as good option? ... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14594033/does-dash-support-bash-style-arrays
[01:14] <wxl> doesn't work in bsd
[01:14] <wxl> arrays, afair, are not supported at all
[01:21] <wxl> and indeed that's not an array!
 any ideas on how to run qterminal with a command and don't close it?
 -e close it
 for example $qterminal -e "apt update"
[01:31] <wxl> i seem to remember combating that in a bug report but don't remember the answer
 I might give up with aptdaemon and thing that the best way to call an upgrade is to open a terminal and execute "sudo apt dist-upgrade"
 there is no info from aptdaemon during installation, only for download
[01:35] <wxl> could you keep it open via a desktop entry somehow?
 I'm trying that, but after all, the only problem  is that if it gives an error you won't know
[01:36] <wxl> so that's the reason why you're trying to keep it open?
 yes
[01:38] <wxl> there's no aptdaemon way to raise errors???
 it supose to, but apparently there are problems with kernel updates
[01:39] <wxl> hm
 today it has given me all the time that are 26ish updates I install with the gui says it fine, but keep pointing me that are updates
 and during a long update, sometimes you might think it freeze, that's why I would better use a shell instead
[01:40] <wxl> makes sense
[01:41] <wxl> headed home, talk soon
 see you soon
 Has anyone seen the latest daily iso?
 No, have you?
 Yes, still Gnome with a default debian wallpaper now.
 Siiiigh.
 What if we seed `notification-daemon`?
 We need to explicitly seed lxqt-notificationd
 On it
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[04:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING43082b84df59: Remove trailing whitespace in rules] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING43082b84df59
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 @kc2bez ^
[04:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING60fcdce43713: More Copyright updates.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING60fcdce43713
 Your filling my inbox @tsimonq2 :)
 >:D
 Congrats on the upload!
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.2.4-0ubuntu1
[04:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING7b9786437aff: Add changelog entry I missed.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING7b9786437aff
 Thanks for the help!
 Anytime!
 @kc2bez Wanna work on that typo fix PR too? ;)
 I will try to get to it tomorrow. If not it may have to wait until the end of the week.
 Cool!
 Take your time :)
 I'm gonna hit the hay early tonight
 Thanks y'all!
 Thank you!
[05:04] <lynorian> back I am alive
 Heeeey!
 We missed ya
[05:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALebf73131bc5e: Add export as pdf from menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALebf73131bc5e
[05:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6e0dd51b96fd: Add another way to change font color] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6e0dd51b96fd
 @kc2bez [Yes, still Gnome with a default debian wallpaper now.], So gnome-shell os still presenta?
 Yes it was. Not sure if the iso has rebuilt or not, I haven't checked. Simon added lxqt-notificationd to the seed.
 @kc2bez [Yes it was. Not sure if the iso has rebuilt or not, I haven't checked. Simon add …], I thought you were sleeping
 I'm up early, usually by 5 on work days.
 Are you on the easy coast, then?
 Yes, I am in NY.
 Good, someone timezone-near
 Yeah we are stretched out a little with our timezones.
 @HMollerCl Could you take a look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1801439
 I will, s
 Thanks!
 @HMollerCl I saw your screenshot in another channel
 (Photo, 710x440) https://i.imgur.com/eKqRVqO.jpg
 Could you maybe look at wrapping the text?
 Otherwise it looks good!
 wxl: Look at this! ^^^^ :D
 @tsimonq2 [Could you maybe look at wrapping the text?], ok, but I think the priority for now should be update-notifier, or this?
 for running it. $lxqt-sudo software-properties-qt —open-tab=4 ... now the .dekstop should added/fixed.
 @HMollerCl [ok, but I think the priority for now should be update-notifier, or this?], Probably update-notifier, yeah
 Got a link? We can package that
 pm
[13:28] <wxl[m]> You are amazing @HMollerCl
[13:31] <wxl[m]> lynorian adding a section on SDDM configuration would probably be extremely valuable since we currently don't have a good method of configuring.
[16:20] <lynorian> wxl[m]: Have you thought what chapter to put that in?
[17:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL291c957f7ccc: Lessen annoying wrong chapter numbering somewhat] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL291c957f7ccc
[18:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL91cba2bfe894: Update to explict where chapters should be and some conf file changes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL91cba2bfe894
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[18:54] <wxl> lynorian: 3.1 maybe?
[19:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbb1bad49161c: Add changes for spec.rst outline for new chapter for sddm config] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbb1bad49161c
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[19:45] <lynorian> anyone else having a problem in kvm on input on the latest daily on a kvm vm?
[19:50] <lynorian> I can't get any text input right now what package should I file a bug against
 I haven't tested today's daily. Is it still Gnome?
[19:53] <lynorian> no
[19:54] <lynorian> it is lxqt
 Well that is an improvement. I will check it later this evening when I get home.
[20:36] <lynorian> bug 1816665 ugh
[21:14] <kc2bez> lynorian: The new iso works in virtualbox. I will try it again later in KVM.
 @kc2bez might be best to comment that on the bug will help narrow down what is causing it
 I will in a bit.


[10:35] <psivaa> infinity: cjwatson: Reported bug 1143999 for print server installation failures with today's images
[10:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1143999 in Ubuntu CD Images "Unmet dependancies fail to install raring print server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1143999
[10:56] <psivaa> xnox: ^
[10:59] <xnox> psivaa: ogra and infinity were discussing colorhug falling out of main for a while and hence breaking the CDs on #ubuntu-release. Do you idle on #ubuntu-release and read the scrollback?
[11:00] <xnox> (well that's the extend to which i understood the problem)
[11:00] <ogra_> right, that broke the last live image builds
[11:06] <psivaa> xnox: for me it does not say anything conclusive, and i saw the problem in daily smoke, hence the bug
[11:09] <xnox> psivaa: ok, but release team had bells to notify about such things even before automatic daily smoke testing was in place. =)))) me ponders how we can integrate the release reports and smoke-testing together.
[11:10] <psivaa> xnox: leaving you ponder :D
[11:11] <xnox> =))))))))))
[11:11] <xnox> thanks.
[11:11] <psivaa> :)
[11:12] <xnox> ogra_: was colorhug bug on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring_probs.html when it was present or only in component missmatches?
[11:13] <ogra_> no idea, adam looked deeper into it, i only noticed the missing dep
[12:15] <infinity> xnox: It would have shown on raring_probs, yeah.
[12:19] <xnox> infinity: right so QA are automatically testing instability of the default tasks from the images (not sure if it's with or without network connectivity), such that if those are in raring_probs as well, they will fail and QA come running to pester us.
[12:19] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, we have some points of overlap in QA there obviously, and timing is everything.
[12:20] <infinity> Not that I mind redundant QA.  At least things are less likely to be missed.
[12:20] <infinity> And lord knows QA has never been our strongest suit, so the more, the merrier.
[12:20] <xnox> infinity: now the question is: should we make raring_probs go away and never be visible, or should we make jenkins jobs to depends on "raring_probs.html is clean" and/or go into amber state if there are raring_probs.
[12:21] <infinity> xnox: I'd rather probs didn't go away, cause it's far more readable for me than jenkins output.
[12:21] <xnox> by "go away" i mean "always display a beer mug"
[12:21] <xnox> =)
[12:21] <infinity> But making jenkins realize that if something's showing up in probs or component-mismatches, that it's a known issue that doesn't need a bug, that could be useful.
[12:22] <infinity> Closing the bug didn't exactly take effort either, though, so whatever.
[12:22] <xnox> infinity: cuase yeah, I don't think filing bugs is most productive use of qa & release engineering time.
[12:22] <infinity> I've spent more time talking about it than I did dealing with it. :P
[12:22] <xnox> but it's not the first bug of this kind ;-)
[13:34] <xnox> cjwatson: there are two "chinese timezones bugs": one cannot set beijing at the timezone map, the other kylin wants to preseed timezone map step. Did you have a chance to look at the latter? If now, what where your thoughts and I guess I can poke it.
[13:45] <cjwatson> xnox: I haven't had a chance to attack the latter problem yet, but I still consider it on my plate
[13:47] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. I will be looking at the former in a bit again.
[15:05] <|Frederik> Is an installation with LVM and ecryption in uefi mode supported? With 12.10 desktop installer, my system refuses to boot from the installed system. with 13.04 daily image, it fails early in the installation process.
[15:07] <xnox> |Frederik: it is meant to work, but I haven't had a chance to test it in uefi mode yet. My uefi/sb capable desktop arrives at the end of this week.