[16:11] <k1l> meshuggah_: as you already said you can set the settings to your needs.
[16:11] <meshuggah_> k1l, yeah, but 90% of people wont check this, as ubuntu is made for new people trying linux
[16:12] <OerHeks> meshuggah_, 90% is what you think
[16:12] <OerHeks> but that is oke :-)
[16:13] <meshuggah_> OerHeks, why would veteran use ubuntu?
[16:13] <k1l> meshuggah_: this is a technical support channel. do you have any technical support issue?
[16:13] <meshuggah_> btw, i installed it, dont take me wrong
[16:14] <meshuggah_> k1l, i got unity installed, i hate it, how do i change it for a real desktop environment?
[16:14] <meshuggah_> i cant even find the system settings
[16:14] <meshuggah_> they tried so much to make it easier, it is barely useable
[16:14] <ducasse> meshuggah_: you can drop the attitude if you want help. which desktop do you want?
[16:14] <k1l> meshuggah_: ubuntu ships a lot of other desktop enviroments. just install one you like, logout and choose the other desktop on login page. no need to make a drama out of it
[16:15] <meshuggah_> :)
[16:15] <meshuggah_> i would like a list
[16:15] <meshuggah_> i like to try new things
[16:15] <meshuggah_> yeah, maybe gnome3, to see how it progressed
[16:15] <k1l> apt search desktop
[16:16] <meshuggah_> great, thank you
[16:16] <meshuggah_> it is only apt, not apt-get?
[16:16] <Pici> k1l: thats a ridiculously long and mostly irrelevent list.
[16:17] <k1l> yeah. meshuggah_ can search for "desktop environment" which will shorten it a bit. but i think he will figure out how to use the search
[16:17] <meshuggah_> last time i used ubuntu, it was 8.10 version, things changed a bit :)
[16:18] <tominator> Hello All, quick question about Kernals, can I install a 32bit kernal on a 64 bit linux distro for backwards compatibility?
[16:18] <asdf-> i screwed up a partition table, ran out of space on the disk and created an image of the partition with dd and backed up the image.... what is the best way to recover the files?
[16:18] <xangua> meshuggah_: no, backward compatibility of what?
[16:18] <Pici> meshuggah_: this looks relevant fwiw: http://alternativeto.net/software/unity-1/?platform=linux
[16:19] <k1l> tominator: for what exactly? ubuntu is multiarch
[16:19] <meshuggah_> xangua, i dont understand what you mean with backward compatibility
[16:19] <meshuggah_> pici, thank i am checking it right now
[16:19] <tominator> Well, I have linux on a little harddrive that I put from computer to computer when needed, and I was wondering if I can use it on a 32bit computer
[16:20] <meshuggah_> tominator, is it a 32 bits or 64 bits lunix?
[16:20] <tominator> 64 bit
[16:21] <tominator> I know normally that It is not backwards compatible
[16:21] <k1l> tominator: you cant switch the architetcure with an install like that
[16:21] <k1l> tominator: and what specific is 32bit only on your hardware?
[16:21] <meshuggah_> i may try LXQt, or lxde or gnome3, why not all 3
[16:22] <ducasse> tominator: a 32-bit install will run on a 64-bit machine, but not the other way around.
[16:22] <mustmodify> I was just reading the documentation for NTP. If I sudo apt-get install ntp, do I need to set up a cron job to execute it? My impression is that I don't need to do anything... that it will automagically keep the clock in sync.
[16:22] <tominator> That's what I thought, I was just wondering if a different kernal might change that
[16:22] <xangua> tominator: no, you can't use a 64 bit OS on 32 bit only hardware
[16:23] <ducasse> tominator: a 32-bit kernel (not kernal) won't run 64-bit binaries.
[16:24] <meshuggah_> am i right to think ubuntu doesnt install proprietary nvidia driver by default?
[16:25] <k1l> meshuggah_: yes
[16:25] <tominator> Alrighty, cool. Thank you for the help
[16:25] <meshuggah_> the one who wanted to rescue data, i would try with testdisk
[16:25] <meshuggah_> a bit complicated but works well
[16:26] <tominator> Hah, I just threw Lubuntu onto an old mac XD
[16:26] <ducasse> mustmodify: you don't need to do anything, no. it runs when installed.
[16:27] <tominator> Oh, last question, can i set an iso image as an option for linux boot? The same way that memtest or the various version are installed
[16:27] <mustmodify> ducasse: thanks for the confirmation.
[16:27] <meshuggah_> i think you can, but how i dunno, tominator
[16:27] <k1l> tominator: grub can boot isos. yes
[16:28] <meshuggah_> i return at work, thank everyone for your helps
[16:28] <tominator> alrighty, I'll do some googling
[16:28] <meshuggah_> oh, if i let ubuntu opened but me afk, will screen lock in like 5 minutes?
[16:28] <OerHeks>  !isoboot
[16:28] <tominator> Awesome, thanks
[16:29] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[16:29] <asgharpolo> hello shit guys
[16:29] <meshuggah_> meshuggah_, after 5 minutes by default
[16:30] <meshuggah_> bye bye virtual people
[16:31] <asgharpolo> i got http://mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/android/repository/sys-img/android/sysimg_x86_64-23_r08.zip from you guys and i lost my bandwidth
[16:31] <asgharpolo> whats going on ?
[16:32] <k1l> asgharpolo: this is the ubuntu support channel. not the android one
[16:33] <asgharpolo> i live at iran i am going to download this link (https://dl.google.com/service/prod_unavailable.html) can someone put this link for me in a mirror please?
[16:34] <ducasse> asgharpolo: Not Our Problem™
[16:34] <k1l> !ot | asgharpolo
[16:34] <asgharpolo> are you a human also or not?
[16:35] <Pici> asgharpolo: consider asking #android for mirrors
[16:35] <k1l> asgharpolo: its enough now. you insulted the users when entering this channel. than only talk offtopic. no need to make any more drama now
[16:36] <bhavesh> any idea how can I get vHost for freenode to hide my IP?
[16:37] <tonyyarusso> !cloak | bhavesh
[16:37] <bhavesh> thanks tonyyarusso
[16:44] <Dus10-Ubuntu> #WS-Offtopic
[16:46] <lukkas> hello
[16:47] <lukkas> \quit
[16:47] <lukkas> \exit
[16:47] <deepend> /quit
[16:49] <dracuts> Updating an old Ubuntu server via 'dpkg -i linux-headers-3.19.8* linux-image-3.19.8*' - The thing that bothers ,e is that it automatically generates a new grub.cnf with the new kernel. How can I skip that step? I want grub.cnf untouched
[16:53] <nacc> dracuts: so you want to install a new kernel but don't want it to be listed in grub?
[16:54] <nacc> dracuts: also, why are you updateing an old server via dpkg?
[16:55] <dracuts> nacc: yes and seems easier to get exactly what I want
[16:55] <tgm4883> dracuts: out of curiosity, why don't you want it to touch grub.cnf?
[16:56] <nacc> dracuts: well, the packages (linux-image in particular) will regenerate grub.cfg; I guess you could pass --no-triggers to dpkg, but that seems awfully risky if you don't know what you're doing.
[16:56] <tgm4883> I'd bet there is a better way to accomplish what he's trying to do
[16:57] <dracuts> nacc: what's my alternatives to install it? I need the kernel installed and that's it
[16:57] <nacc> dracuts: why do you need the kernel installed if you're not going to boot to it?
[16:57] <nacc> dracuts: sorry, just trying to get context
[16:58] <dracuts> nacc: This is a customer's server, we will boot it but want to see if certain modules are in it. It's basically a machine for testing
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: use apt-file ?
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: rahter than installing it
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: or if you have the .deb, i think you can list its contents
[17:00] <dracuts> nacc: I also want to 'dracut' out of it and make a new initrd
[17:00] <dracuts> nacc: let me try no-triggers
[17:01] <nacc> dracuts: well, you can always make a new initrd after you install the package
[17:01] <nacc> dracuts: also, dracut is a ... fedora-ism?
[17:01] <mustmodify> any big preferences between using UFW vs the IPtables interface? My understanding is that UFW is just a simpler interface for iptables... but I'm doing some port forwarding and that line seems blurry.
[17:02] <ducasse> mustmodify: ufw is just a frontend, if you want to do more complicated stuff but still want a frontend, look at ferm.
[17:03] <dracuts> nacc: mkinird is dracut, and I want to make a new initrd, that's why I installed it, but I don't want it to boot to it automatically
[17:04] <nacc> dracuts: ubuntu uses mkinitramfs (iirc) and/or update-initramfs. But in any case, installing a kernel, on a well-configured host (which it seems like you want) wouldn't change the default kernel (unless you left it at the default grub settings)
[17:06] <dracuts> nacc: If /etc/default/grub DEFAULT option != 0 ..
[17:08] <nacc> dracuts: if you've already edited /etc/default/grub, you could either make it 'saved' and use that feature, or update that saved index
[17:09] <icew> vish
[17:15] <lapideviridi> If I'd want to check weather the Lenovo Ideapad 100S 14" is compatible with ubuntu or not, sould I have to check all of the hardware components induvidually?
[17:15] <dracuts> nacc: --no-triggers does not work. menu.1st (old ubuntu) is still changed
[17:16] <nacc> dracuts: how old is old in this case?
[17:16] <dracuts> ubuntu 12.04.04 lts
[17:19] <zh1> anything better then bleachbit on ubuntu?
[17:21] <nacc> dracuts: hrm, it is supposed to not run the triggers; sorry not sure what else to suggest
[17:21] <d3ad7rack> hi all
[17:21] <k1l> zh1: why need bleachbit at all?
[17:22] <k1l> zh1: such "cleaners" are known to remove wrong files and make systems unusable.
[17:22] <d3ad7rack> got a little bit of an issue that I'm not sure what caused it.... I did a fresh install of 16.04 and LAMP; now when I go to localhost to test out the connection I am getting a wifi-lock login screen. Anyone else had something similar happen?
[17:22] <zh1> k1l, yep, but my friend only knows how to use GUI stuff
[17:23] <k1l> zh1: so what does he want to do?
[17:23] <zh1> k1l, system clean on any junk ubuntu can have
[17:23] <ducasse> zh1: he needs to understand the system to do that properly.
[17:24] <k1l> i know people are trained by using windows for the need to clean their systems. but that is not an issue on ubuntu. is there a special issue?
[17:24] <zh1> for example duplicates
[17:24] <zh1> temp files
[17:24] <tgm4883> zh1: duplicates of what?
[17:24] <zh1> any duplicate files
[17:25] <tgm4883> zh1: this all seems like windows nonsense
[17:25] <zh1> most of the times can download stuff twice or more
[17:27] <tgm4883> zh1: I'm sure there is an app that will scan your home directory and find duplicates, but I'm not aware of it's name
[17:27] <k1l> fdupes
[17:27] <zh1> tgm4883, fdupes yes
[17:27] <ikonia> why would there be duplicate files
[17:27] <ducasse> i know rdfind can, but not any gui tools
[17:28] <k1l> but there was a gui one too
[17:28] <k1l> fslint iirc
[17:28] <ikonia> why would there be "a mess" left by ubuntu
[17:28] <tgm4883> ikonia: welcome to the discussion ;)
[17:28] <ducasse> ikonia: i think he means by the user :)
[17:29] <k1l> but i see it as a witchhunt. but the users are trained to do that by windows.
[17:30] <ikonia> if you can't clean up after yourself, how can you trust an app to do it blindly
[17:31] <zh1> ikonia, my friend can mess any pc
[17:31] <ikonia> ok - so using an application blindly to fix that will most likley cause problems
[17:31] <ikonia> more so if it's him running it
[17:31] <tgm4883> zh1: TBF, downloading something multiple times won't mess up a PC
[17:31] <ikonia> just clear the downloads directory
[17:31] <zh1> tgm4883, but wastes space
[17:32] <tgm4883> zh1: honestly, so?
[17:32] <ralarX> when I play audio with audacious, sometimes the playback gets stuck in some short piece that it repeats endlessly. When I then hit the mouse a little bit,it plays normally?
[17:32] <OerHeks> zh1, so your issue is your friend, not ubuntu?
[17:32] <tgm4883> zh1: I mean, if it's really an issue, you could easily script something to check a few directories for duplicates
[17:33] <OerHeks> give him a guest account :-)
[17:35] <tgm4883> Or just stick "fdupes -A -r -d -N ~/" in a cron job
[17:36] <tgm4883> could add a -q in there to hide the output
[17:39] <zamanf> η
[17:40] <zamanf> live version?
[17:41] <zamanf> is there a live version?
[17:41] <ducasse> zamanf: just choose 'try ubuntu' when booting the installer
[17:42] <zh1> OerHeks, at a certain level yes
[17:42] <matzie> Looking for help with ubuntu-fan networking, anyone familiar?
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> matzie  ask your question and wait
[17:43] <matzie> when create a fan network with fanctl <opts> - - dhcp , is there any way to pass extra args to the dnsmasq instance that is launched?
[17:45] <aliens_> !status
[17:45] <ducasse> matzie: you might have better luck in #ubuntu-server
[17:45] <aliens_> checker ?
[17:45] <zh1> tgm4883, -A and -N, what would they doo, cant seen them listed here on man
[17:45] <matzie> @ducasse cheers
[17:46] <zh1> tgm4883, just -A, found -N
[17:46] <tgm4883> run fdupes with -h and it will tell yu
[17:46] <aliens_> checker?
[17:46] <tgm4883> zh1: if I was going to cron that for someone, I'd probably limit it to the ~/Downloads folder
[17:46] <zh1> tgm4883, ok
[17:46] <tgm4883> but ~/ should* be fine with those flags
[17:47] <OerHeks> aliens_, is that an ubuntu support question?
[17:47] <timyp> what does the output of my bash script show â€™ between folders ? this is throwing of my script and causing folders and commands within the script not to run correctly, during a cronjob. Running the script manually works as expected.
[17:47] <sipajaus> can someone help me with GPA on Xubuntu?
[17:47] <sipajaus> I can't find any documentation or answers on google...
[17:48] <rypervenche> timyp: What is your script doing?
[17:48] <timyp> cd to a folder and running the rm command
[17:48] <timyp> one sec I'll paste it
[17:49] <jerichowasahoax> Does $(apt list) only list packages that are installed
[17:50] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: you can pass options (--installed, --upgradeable, --all-versions, cf. `man apt`)
[17:50] <tgm4883> ok
[17:50] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: Perfect, thank you
[17:50] <timyp> rm /var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2<IP_ADDRESS>.34.24/Maildir/cur/*
[17:51] <timyp> when the cronjob emails me the output rm: cannot remove â€˜/var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2<IP_ADDRESS>.34.24/Maildir/cur/*â€™: No such file or directory
[17:51] <rypervenche> jerichowasahoax: By default, all availble, I believe.
[17:51] <timyp> and if I run the script manually it does its job without issue rypervenche
[17:52] <jerichowasahoax> While I'm here, is there a "more correct" way of determining if I have a package installed than $(apt list --installed foo)?
[17:52] <rypervenche> timyp: Is your script a bash script?
[17:53] <rypervenche> timyp: I would use a find command with -delete, personally
[17:53] <timyp> yes its a bash script, I have tried rewriting it to do the same thing and still this happens
[17:53] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: `apt-cache policy` maybe more useful (as it will also tellyou what version si installed) ... but what you are doing is probaby fine, if it's just a "installed?" check you want
[17:54] <timyp> originally I had the bash script cd to the folder and run rm * but same thing happens
[17:54] <rypervenche> timyp: Sounds like it may be a file name causing the issue?
[17:56] <timyp> file and folder names are posix compliant how so?
[17:56] <ich_dien> So I noticed today that I was getting some rogue connections when checking netstat output
[17:56] <ich_dien> there was even connections to amazon and microsoft!!
[17:57] <rypervenche> timyp: Then it could be the environment in which cron runs.
[17:57] <timyp> I was thinking that but other scripts manually backup scripts that tar folders and run rsync works okay even with the same folder
[17:57] <ich_dien> Is there a way I can find out what program may be phoning home??
[17:57] <timyp> manually=mainly
[17:57] <timyp> under cron
[17:58] <ich_dien> Also (best way) how to make it stop?
[17:58] <OerHeks> ich_dien, ubuntu does not phone-home .. i doubt there are rogue ms and amazon connections
[17:58] <timyp> ich_dien use something like openDNS so you can see the phone homes and the domain names might help you figure it out
[17:58] <ich_dien> I'm using elementary btw
[17:59] <Pici> ich_dien: the -p argument to netstat will tell you what process is causing the connection. You may need to use sudo if your user doesn't own the processes.
[17:59] <DArqueBishop> The -p parameter works on ss as well.
[18:01] <ducasse> ich_dien: then ask in their support channel/forums.
[18:01] <ich_dien> netstat just gives me way too much info. I'm new to this, should I only be concerned with tcp and udp traffic?
[18:01] <timyp> rogue ms and amazon connections maybe caused by firefox plugins
[18:01] <ich_dien> what about unix?
[18:02] <timyp> what about unix?
[18:02] <ich_dien> timyp, that's an interesting point.
[18:03] <timyp> I've seen it a lot with windows environments you look at proxy logs and the bing toolbar will call home 5000000 times per computer
[18:03] <ich_dien> timyp, I'm refering to netstat output's first column
[18:04] <ducasse> ich_dien: you're still in the wrong channel.
[18:04] <mcphail> ich_dien: a unix socket is an "internal" conenction between processes, rather than an internet connection
[18:04] <timyp> but if internet traffic does not go to the proxy and you are not comfortable with the command lines you can pin point the connections with  openDNS
[18:04] <ich_dien> timyp, yeah if this was Windows I wouldn't be surprised but ubuntu has always been pretty clean when I check connections
[18:04] <ich_dien> how to use openDNS in this context?
[18:05] <Pici> (no idea)
[18:05] <timyp> read about it opendns.com or if you post the output of the netstat commands on paste bin someone here might be able to help you sort through it and find it
[18:06] <timyp> Does those new search filters require amazon connection to show you garbage ads when just trying to search for shit on your hard drive?
[18:06] <asad0x> hi
[18:06] <timyp> doesn't *
[18:06] <Pici> timyp: no
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys I keep getting this hangup when I try to download anything or update. Where I have to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and then it tries to download the flashplugin-installer
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> But then it just hangs
[18:06] <timyp> oh
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> Can someone please help me?
[18:06] <Pici> as far as my understanding goes, that was disabled.
[18:07] <timyp> amaoniantoad flush plugin for what browser?
[18:07] <amazoniantoad> timyp, I assume firefox
[18:07] <rajivmars> how to update the "qt" version in kubuntu 16.04?
[18:07] <timyp> doesn't firefox and chrome now maintain there own flush packages?
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it wont stop. I can't download without it trying to do this first
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, I'm just telling you what I'm seeing
[18:08] <ich_dien> ducasse, who's support forum?
[18:08] <timyp> so it this time you keep seeing it download?
[18:08] <timyp> at this time*
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it's not downloading though. It just hangs with, "flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> "
[18:09] <timyp> control + c ? does that stop it?
[18:09] <ducasse> ich_dien: elementary's?
[18:09] <amazoniantoad> timyp, yes. But then I get locked out of root
[18:09] <timyp> damn
[18:10] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it just installed it
[18:10] <amazoniantoad> omg...I have been dealing with this for an hour and it just started working...
[18:10] <ich_dien> ducasse, okay I will try them
[18:10] <timyp> okay to avoide it anytime you run an update you might want to remove it from your repository list
[18:11] <timyp> I really don't think you need am extra flash package if you are running firefox
[18:11] <ducasse> ich_dien: we have *no* idea what they have changed, so we don't support it.
[18:11] <timyp> might be something wrong with the repo
[18:12] <timyp> if you run wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz is it still slow?
[18:12] <ducasse> timyp: if you want to use flash in firefox you need a plugin.
[18:12] <timyp> it downloaded in about 7 seconds for me
[18:13] <timyp> than use chrome
[18:14] <mcfdez87> Hello. I have a laptop and misteriosly my wirelles connection not works. I typed a ifconfig in the terminal and I not see the wlan interface. What can I do?
[18:14] <timyp> flash really needs to be phased out in favor of html5. It's a mess
[18:15] <timyp> mcfdez87 boot to the ubunut live cd and see if the wifi driver works there
[18:16] <ich_dien> timyp, It's totally firefox doing god knows what
[18:17] <timyp> mcgdez87 check this out https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997880
[18:17] <timyp> the fix is documented for 12.04 but give it a go
[18:18] <timyp> I mean mcfdez87 ^^^^
[18:19] <mcfdez87> timyp, I'm trying
[18:19] <timyp> good luck!
[18:19] <ich_dien> Is there a way to limit (what) how many ports programs have access to??
[18:19] <micah__> hey there, I tried the OEM install for 16.04 and it seems to be taking much longer than the normal install.  It's been going for a while now executing dpkg-deb to archive packages.  Is that something unique to the OEM install?
[18:20] <ducasse> mcfdez87: check if you do have a broadcom wifi chip first, or that thread will be useless to you.
[18:20] <ich_dien> that a non-exp can do
[18:20] <micah__> it says "dpkg-deb: building package *** into ./***"
[18:21] <DexterF> hi
[18:22] <micah__> hmm, maybe the OEM install isn't actually installing ubuntu, but installing some kind of ubuntu installer onto the disk...
[18:22] <micah__> then when I reboot, it will install from the installer
[18:22] <ducasse> !elementary | ich_dien
[18:23] <ducasse> micah__: i think that is how it works, but i've never used it.
[18:23] <DexterF> have a problem with gThumb here, the scroll bar at the right folds away when unused, and sometimes does when clicked, too. how can I turn this off altogether? I use kde and xfce and don't use a lot of gtk, but this is the only program that behaves this way
[18:23] <ich_dien> ducasse, ubottu lol I know that now and am asking them as well, but as you know some things are just ubuntu wide
[18:26] <ducasse> ich_dien: the point is that elementary is not supported here. i'll give you a hint, though; you could look at firefox plugins like ghostery and requestpolicy to limit connections to third-party sites (a lot of those connections are probably just that).
[18:32] <amazoniantoad> timyp, sorry I went MIA. I am building a firewall for the office. Yeah I used wget on the URL and it downloaded just fine
[18:33] <amazoniantoad> I don't know why it was an issue
[18:34] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: i've seen the same behaviour on that package before myself, but i've no idea what causes it. normally it works fine a little later.
[18:35] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, yeah I think this was the second time for me, though the first time was a few years ago iirc. Thought I might be doing something wrong though.
[18:36] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: nope, i suspect it might be due to a lot of users trying to download at once, but that's just a hunch.
[18:39] <timyp> wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz  takes me 7 seconds
[18:39] <timyp> but I tested that after you said it had just installed so if it was a server site issue, it was prob resolved by than
[18:44] <Guest82864> clear
[18:44] <Guest82864> irc is always so dead
[18:45] <timyp> its a live and well today in this channel Guest82864 !
[18:46] <Seveas> I've seen more life in a moldy pot of yoghurt :P
[18:47] <timyp> lol
[18:48] <Guest21650> hey! :)
[18:49] <Seveas> Hello Mold21650 :)
[18:55] <tatertots> hi
[18:59] <xbyte> oi
[19:00] <zh1> irc is old nut not dead
[19:01] <zh1> *but
[19:11] <meshuggah_> hello virtual friends
[19:16] <meshug> what is ubuntu chat channel?
[19:16] <Pici> meshug: for off-topic stuff? #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:17] <meshug> thank you Pici
[19:17] <WhiteNight> meshug, that is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:18] <WhiteNight> Pici, is correct, thanks, didnt see he already responded
[19:18] <meshug> thank yopu aswell WhiteNight
[19:21] <WhiteNight> Adios ... /quit
[19:27] <ylluminate> anyone have some input on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/799096/correct-monitors-not-detected-on-16-04-nvidia-or-nouveau
[19:31] <ioria> ylluminate, anything in the logs ?   grep Monitor /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:33] <ylluminate> only thing i've seen there ioria is ...
[19:33] <ylluminate> screw that, let me just yank it out for us to poke here
[19:38] <ylluminate> https://gist.github.com/ylluminate/fec83523a02fe1a500c10fcb1d621348
[19:41] <ylluminate> so as you can see, not much is really standing out in this ioria
[19:41] <ylluminate> just that darn CRT-0
[19:42] <ylluminate> [    30.013] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select"
[19:42] <ylluminate> [    30.013] (==) NVIDIA(0):     will be used as the requested mode.
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> ylluminate  tone it down a bit
[19:44] <ylluminate> oh yeah?  sorry, didn't know i was amped up MonkeyDust
[19:47] <ioria> ylluminate,  you can't set resolution , you get a blank screen or just not recognized ?
[19:47] <ylluminate> so far it's just not recognized; have not tried to set a resolution manually in the conf
[19:47] <bhara7> I struggling with installing scanner in ubuntu gnome 16.04
[19:47] <ylluminate> i've not had to set resolutions by hand for over a decade with linux so i was surprised at this
[19:48] <ylluminate> and being on an lcd, it showing crt was even more surprising
[19:49] <bhara7> hi I am a beginner
[19:50] <embrik> what channel is for ubuntu phone?
[19:50] <crlee> Me too!
[19:50] <ioria> ylluminate,  GeForce GT 730 should be well supported by nouveau ...  for resolution   xrandr -d :0 -q ; xrandr -d :0 --output (your screen) (your resolution)
[19:50] <MonkeyDust> !phone | embrik
[19:51] <embrik> MonkeyDust, Thanks!
[19:51] <ioria> ylluminate,  e.g  xrandr -d :0 --output LVDS --mode 1024x768
[19:52] <bhara7> anyone who has installed cannon mf217w?
[19:52] <bhara7> scanner not working but detected
[19:52] <bhara7> ubuntu gnome 16.04
[20:06] <hpp6> Hi
[20:11] <jsmp> hi
[20:14] <aboude> السلام عليكم
[20:14] <aboude> شباب ممكن برنامج لتغيير مكان الاشعارات
[20:15] <Seveas> !ar
[20:15] <Seveas> nope, wrong ar.
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> !arabic
[20:15] <HappySomethingSo> hi!
[20:15] <Seveas> !sa
[20:15] <Seveas> thanks MonkeyDust
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> I just burned two ubuntu isos to two disks
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> One is 64bit and the other one is 32bit
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> I mixed them up
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> how can I tell them apart?
[20:16] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: by booting them :)
[20:17] <Seveas> if you try to boot a 64-bit cd on a 32-bit system, it'll fail
[20:17] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: mount one of the disks,
[20:17] <HappySomethingSo> Seveas: the computer they'll be booting is far away
[20:17] <HappySomethingSo> tgm4883: Ok, what should I look for?
[20:17] <Seveas> both will work on a 64 bit system, use the uname -m command to find out whether you have 32 or 64 bit
[20:18] <tgm4883> How do I not have an ISO currently to check....
[20:18] <simpleirc1> How about md5 sums?
[20:18] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: file /mnt/bin/bash will say if it's a 32 bit or 64 bit binary
[20:18] <k1l> yep, md5sum
[20:18] <Seveas> (assuming you'll be mounting it at /mnt)
[20:18] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: There is a few files at the root of the disk, you can check those (disk defines) and one will list packages
[20:18] <tgm4883> i386 packages vs amd64 packages
[20:18] <HappySomethingSo> I'm at a windows pc right now
[20:19] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: you can still pop the disk in a drive and should be able to see what's on it
[20:19] <HappySomethingSo> yeah
[20:19] <simpleirc1> HappySomethingSo check md5 sums if you can
[20:19] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: or download a md5sum utility for windows
[20:19] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: ok, look inside /lib. If you have a full /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, it's 64bit :)
[20:19] <HappySomethingSo> ok I'll try that
[20:19] <simpleirc1> Also size should be different
[20:20] <simpleirc1> Just check sizes on download page
[20:20] <HappySomethingSo> I didn't fin /lib but I did find a "binary-i386" folder in /dists/xenial/main
[20:20] <HappySomethingSo> does that mean it's 32bit?
[20:21] <k1l> why not do a md5sum check?
[20:21] <HappySomethingSo> simpleirc1: yeah but I expanded them when I burned them
[20:22] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: and no binary-amd64?
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> no
[20:22] <Seveas> then that's the 32bit one
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> ok thanks!
[20:22] <Seveas> doublecheck that the other one has a binary-amd64 though :)
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> yeah that's a good idea
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> thank you!
[20:23] <tgm4883> README.diskdefines is the file I was looking for. Located at the root of the drive
[20:24] <tgm4883> It shows "#define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Release amd64" on the amd64 disk
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> tgm4883: Ok now I popped the supposed 64bit disk in and it does show #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Release amd64
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> so it's a double confirmation
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> thanks guys!
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> (or gals)
[20:44] <ylluminate> ioria got this resolved by setting up my xorg.conf manually:
[20:44] <ylluminate> http://askubuntu.com/questions/799096/correct-monitors-not-detected-on-16-04-nvidia-or-nouveau/800630#800630
[20:46] <cmanns> Hey guys installed ubuntu on a multi-gpu system....
[20:47] <cmanns> I'd like to have the primary GPU (R9 270X) have full AMD driver, nvidia GTX650 blacklisted/disabled (for GPU Passthrough). I did test getting all 3 going I had one display on GTX, one on R9- however the mouse was skippy and freezing...once installed nvidia proprietary the R9 display is black/not in settings -> Display
[20:48] <kyle__> cmanns: I've done it on a multi-GPU system, but not like you're donig there.  Usually not a big deal.
[20:48] <cmanns> I think if I blacklist the nvidia card after removing nvidia proprietary driver things will smooth out? :D
[20:49] <distortedvoice> I can't get any audio out of my R9 380X. It shows up in pulseaudio config but it doesn't ever give me sound on the TV
[20:50] <cmanns> Theres prob multiple audio out through your R9, my R9 270X has like 3 audio out
[20:50] <joel> serious non trolling question, which package do I need to install in 14.04 to be able to build rpms?
[20:50] <distortedvoice> cmanns, all the others say unplugged
[20:50] <cmanns> apt-get install rpm joel
[20:50] <k1l> !info rmpbuild | joel
[20:50] <k1l> !info rmpbuild trusty | joel
[20:50] <joel> cmanns: cool, thanks
[20:50] <cmanns> distortedvoice, ah sorry was just my first thought :)
[20:50] <k1l> !info rpmbuild trusty
[20:51] <tatertots> audio over HDMI is not supported by AMDGPU and if you're on 16.04 that's as good as you'll ever get for your Radeon gpu....this was as of april 2016
[20:51] <distortedvoice> cmanns, thanks for the quick reply
[20:51] <nacc> k1l: i think it comes from rpm
[20:51] <k1l> joel: oh wait, the command is rpmbuild but the package name is rpm
[20:52]  * cmanns is glad doesnt use HDMI audio. Does AMDGPU have decent 3d accel on 16.04?
[20:53] <extinct_potato> Is there actually any nice GUI for VPN for Linux?
[20:53] <tatertots> my ubuntu box with radeon gpu is still using proprietary drivers and ubuntu 12.04 LTS ....and for good reason ;)
[20:54] <extinct_potato> And yes, I have heard of NetworkManager and no, I don't want to use it.
[20:54] <extinct_potato> so does anyone know of any nice GUI for VPN? :)
[20:55] <k1l> extinct_potato: well, NM would be the one where all desktops did agree to. so if you dont want that its getting very thin
[20:55] <distortedvoice> cmanns, yeah I get great fps
[20:55] <cmanns> Sweet
[20:56]  * cmanns plans to try steam_linux, and steam running on a gpu passthrough vm.  It doesn't work with guessnet, so I hate it. Aren't there any GUIs apart from NM? Really?
[20:56] <ProdoxGT> anyone willing to give me a hand with a problem im enountering with wine
[20:56] <cmanns> Yeah distortedvoice
[20:56] <cmanns> CPU: 12 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.21GHz w/ 15360 KB L2 Cache **
[20:56] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I did it with a GTX 980. Worked great.
[20:56] <cmanns> plenty o powah
[20:57] <tatertots> distortedvoice great fps while doing what?..you kinda left that part out....great fps while staring at the desktop?
[20:57] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I have the 5930k ;)
[20:57] <k1l> ProdoxGT: the guys at #winehq might be better help with wine
[20:57] <distortedvoice> tatertots, opengl
[20:57] <ProdoxGT> thanks
[20:57] <cmanns> Noice!
[20:57]  * cmanns plans to go 16c+ xeon
[20:57] <S1XL3M0UM> hello
[20:58] <tgm4883> extinct_potato: kvpnc ?
[20:58] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I was going to get a xeon e5. I would lose my 1.2GHz OC though
[20:58] <S1XL3M0UM> br huehue
[20:58] <extinct_potato> tgm4883 : It looks nice, thank you very much!
[21:04] <cmanns> you can OC the xeons distortedvoice
[21:04] <distortedvoice> cmanns, yeah core clock
[21:05] <cmanns> I'm prob aiming towards an "unlocked" one, or I'll just overclock bclk
[21:05] <ProdoxGT> well, since #winehq seems to not contain someone that can help me, does anyone here think they can solve this issue with LINE's border? http://imgur.com/s1Nqar5
[21:05] <cmanns> I don't really overclock though so no biggie to me :)
[21:05] <distortedvoice> cmanns, You found an unlocked ES or something?
[21:05] <cmanns> Various (non ES) are actually unlocked I guess
[21:05] <distortedvoice> oh
[21:05] <cmanns> Most commonly the low ghz I hear
[21:05] <ProdoxGT> it only happens on the main window and not any popups
[21:05] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I can only afford a ES lol
[21:06] <cmanns> gotta compile a list of unlocked, then ebay.
[21:06] <cmanns> Non ES are like 200-250 on ebay~
[21:06] <distortedvoice> cmanns, when you do shoot me a link
[21:06] <cmanns> I only got the i7-5820k so now when I buy cpu on ebay I can test it first, if good then sale the i7
[21:06] <distortedvoice> I want something big if I am going xeon
[21:06] <cmanns> :D
[21:06] <cmanns> and all the ecc rams
[21:07] <cmanns> ah well time to run errands I'll be back for more pesky gpu-passthrough questions later
[21:07] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I just built a dual X5670 with 48GB ECC in a 1u for around $350 I'm sending out for colo when I populate it with some drives.
[21:10] <cncr04s> how do you setup a local repository. it might be called a PPA?, I want to be able to run apt install <myapp> to push out any updates to my program that I write, to/at all of my servers.
[21:10] <paul__> hi
[21:12] <paul__> hi
[21:12] <Guest85306> What's new?
[21:12] <k1l> cncr04s: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal
[21:12] <Guest62265> hello i have problem with internet
[21:13] <Guest62265> some page go, some others no
[21:13] <waltherado> Novo aqui no espaço, algum BR de plantão:
[21:13] <waltherado> ?
[21:13] <Guest62265> i think itz network manager
[21:13] <distortedvoice> Guest62265, have you tried using google dns?
[21:14] <Guest62265> yes
[21:14] <Guest62265> first bug it disappear
[21:14] <k1l> !br | waltherado
[21:14] <sipajaus> should I put my public key inside a GPG message the first time I write someone? or just attach it?
[21:14] <Guest62265> now he choose what page charge
[21:14] <sipajaus> I know this isn't ubuntu speficic but I am using xubuntu to do it
[21:16] <Guest62265> i dont make urgent update becouse i know last version network manager do that shit
[21:16] <Guest62265> i want to go back, there are not a command to put down all?
[21:19] <OerHeks> sipajaus, pretty good manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Linux_mail_readers
[21:25] <zykotick9> sipajaus: you may also want to check out https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
[21:28] <notdaniel> i installed 16.04 onto a second HD, and it looks like the boot loader installed onto the primary hdd. 1) do i just need to do manual partitioning to prevent this during install? 2) any easy way now to install the bootloader into that 2nd drive?
[21:28] <notdaniel> i ran this install with the intention of removing that 2nd drive and booting up from a different machine
[21:30] <OerHeks> notdaniel, it will be an option during install
[21:30] <OerHeks> standard it is sda indeed
[21:30] <notdaniel> OerHeks: it prompted me which drive to install to, but not where to install the loader
[21:31] <notdaniel> OerHeks: i chose sdb as the OS install point, but it didn't install a loader there, it updated mine on sda
[21:31] <OerHeks> the bootloader question comes after that iirc
[21:32] <OerHeks> no, same page .. http://i.stack.imgur.com/dehJr.jpg
[21:34] <OerHeks> as it is grey, you might not have noticed, seen this before and might be considered an cosmetic bug
[21:34] <notdaniel> OerHeks: ah, so i _do_ need to choose manual partitioning? i had just used the "erase drive and install ubuntu" option, so i never saw any partition list or options
[21:35] <OerHeks> ehm, even with standard option like side-by-side you would get this question
[21:37] <quizzy85> OerHeks: its the option that says do something Else
[21:41] <quizzy85> sorry that was for notdaniel
[21:41] <notdaniel> quizzy85: okay, yeah, i knew that's where it was, i just was expecting it to still ask about the bootloader. was hoping to have it create the partitions but yeah i'll just do it that way next time
[21:42] <quizzy85> roger
[21:43] <bwiz> window 1
[21:45] <egrain> where can i see the change log for drop bear? i found the package and stuff to download, though no change log so far.
[21:45] <mrpanda> ni hao
[21:45] <egrain> i essentially want to know if Dropbear sshd 2013.59 is secure.
[21:45] <mrpanda> is ubuntu 16.04 better then 14.04 ??
[21:45] <egrain> ni hao ma?
[21:46] <mrpanda> hao so so hao
[21:46] <mrpanda> ni ne ?
[21:46] <k1l> egrain: packages.ubuntu.com lists the changelogs too on the right side
[21:46] <egrain> hoa.
[21:46] <egrain> well, that is as far as my mandarin goes these days.
[21:46] <egrain> hao.
[21:46] <swensson> How do I upgrade php from 7.0.4-7 to 7.0.7 or later?... did apt-get update/upgrade but nothing..
[21:47] <mrpanda> :)
[21:49] <mrpanda> Ubuntu 16.04 better then 14.04 ??
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: on 16.04, php7.0 7.0.8 just rolled out today
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: are you on 16.04?
[21:50] <swensson> Yeah
[21:50] <nacc> !info php7.0 xenial
[21:50] <k1l> mrpanda: includes systemd, new versions of kernel, drivers, xorg, and snap. so if you install ubuntu today go for 16.04
[21:50] <OerHeks> 7.08 went in prorposed 4 hrs ago, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0
[21:50] <OerHeks> -r
[21:50] <nacc> OerHeks: it's in updates now
[21:50] <swensson> well it's like 10hours ago I did the update... Gonna try agian then
[21:50] <nacc> OerHeks: it's been in proposed for a few weeks
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: yeah, refresh, it rolled out more recnetly than 10 hours ago
[21:51] <nacc> OerHeks: i think that it is in both -proposed and -updates is just the ongoing migration (not positive) to the updates pocket
[21:51] <egrain> mrpanda, i would say so. why else would they have released a new version if the old one was better?
[21:51] <swensson> nacc Thanks! :) Got it now! ;P.... abit emberassing :$
[21:51] <egrain> mrpanda, also why do you care? it's free. try it out for yourself.
[21:51] <nacc> swensson: np, please do let me (via bugs) know if anything breaks :)
[21:51] <swensson> Nacc Sure will! :)
[21:52] <mrpanda> heared AMD doesn't suport linux verry well
[21:52] <OerHeks> nacc, i need the changelog to know why ..
[21:52] <mrpanda> well windows 7 was better then 10 i think :S
[21:52] <nacc> OerHeks: sorry, to know why which (fwiw, it's my upload (well sponsored upload))
[21:52] <k1l> mrpanda: amd stopped shipping the prop. driver fglrx since 16.04. but the open source drivers do work
[21:53] <mrpanda> hmm is a bit confusing am a rookie :)
[21:53] <mrpanda> will ubuntu automaticly ask for update ?
[21:53] <k1l> yes
[21:53] <mrpanda> ok..
[21:53] <mrpanda> will wait and see
[21:53] <mrpanda> i think is now about 20 gb
[21:53] <mrpanda> windows 95 was 200 mb :)
[21:54] <k1l> mrpanda: that is not right.
[21:54] <mrpanda> 20gb ?
[21:55] <k1l> the minimal system is way less than that.even a full blown ubuntu desktop install is less than 20GB
[21:55] <mrpanda> ah
[21:56] <mrpanda> maybe have two ubuntu's on it :D
[21:56] <mrpanda> or could be all the programs i installed
[21:56] <abdoul> je veux apprendre asterisk
[21:57] <mrpanda> mon dieu
[21:57] <k1l> !fr | abdoul
[21:57] <mrpanda> firefox is good browser for ubuntu ?
[21:57] <mrpanda> or perhaps sea monkey ?
[21:58] <OerHeks> firefox chrome chromium opera choose the one you like
[21:58] <mrpanda> :)
[22:00] <tatertots> of course firefox is a good browser for ubuntu....why else would they have made it the 'default' browser .....ehehehehehe
[22:00] <mrpanda> ah ok
[22:00] <mrpanda> is a bit heavy
[22:00] <mrpanda> sometimes the screen goes "dark"
[22:01] <mrpanda> and can barely pull youtube
[22:01] <mrpanda> is the amd video driver i think
[22:01] <mrpanda> heared amd and linux not work well together
[22:03] <bprompt> mrpanda:     firefox the browser, and chromium-based browsers, are pretty much the bleeding edge, web standards features wise, now, about youtube, if the video is a flash video, bear in mind that, firefox uses the outdated adobe flashplugin, whilst chromium-based browser, use the newer Pepperflash, which works for any flash animation
[22:03] <mrpanda> installed html5
[22:04] <bprompt> mrpanda:   opera went chromium for their engine, after version 12, next I think it was version 18, so, if you run the latest Opera browsers, looks pretty much like Chrome, with an opera logo
[22:04] <mrpanda> will try opera thanks :D
[22:04] <mrpanda> try to avoid google
[22:05] <mrpanda> they run on commercials
[22:05] <mrpanda> i fear if use their browser addblocks be useless in future.
[22:05] <mrpanda> www.yandex.com
[22:05] <bprompt> mrpanda:   google is a site, not a browser, and yes, they use ad-supported financing
[22:08] <mrpanda> i thought google made chrome ?
[22:08] <mrpanda> and chromium ??
[22:08] <joel> off topic
[22:08] <mrpanda> ok
[22:08] <mrpanda> am just trying to tweak ubuntu
[22:08] <mrpanda> firefox is a bit heavy
[22:09] <mrpanda> they say can use 1bg of memory
[22:09] <mrpanda> if i start up the search/software centre
[22:09] <mrpanda> ubuntu has troublez 2
[22:09] <mrpanda> "screen goes dark"
[22:09] <joel> enter is not punctuation :)
[22:10] <k1l> mrpanda: then try another browser. you got listed some other ones already. we dont know what you want and what you like. so you need to find that out yourself
[22:10] <mrpanda> i like firefoxxxxxxx
[22:10] <mrpanda> ^_^
[22:10] <k1l> mrpanda: ok, then stop trolling in here.
[22:10] <mrpanda> oh
[22:10] <mrpanda> -_-
[22:20] <Marasgeon> How can I enable wheel button in Ubuntu 16.04?
[22:20] <NikogdaCM> how can i reset my password?
[22:21] <k1l> !password | NikogdaCM
[22:25] <bprompt> Marasgeon:    do, nothing :), should be ON by default
[22:27] <Epx998> Is there a howto anywhere for setting up ub14 unattended installs?
[22:28] <njumdl2014> in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/, which repo contains ftp package? I tried to search all the repo, there is not directory called ftp.
[22:28] <njumdl2014> Anyone could help me?
[22:30] <AirPlanes> Hi, help me fellows please
[22:30] <AirPlanes> How do I remove this? zsh: /usr/bin/zsh /bin/zsh /etc/zsh /usr/share/zsh /usr/share/man/man1/zsh.1.gz
[22:30] <AirPlanes> thekillers@TheKillers:~/zsh$
[22:31] <AirPlanes> I want to install zsh again cause it is not working
[22:31] <nacc> njumdl2014: well, the archive.ubunut.com/ubuntu is the repo
[22:31] <nacc> njumdl2014: what are you trying to do?
[22:31] <Marasgeon> This is my problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1581088
[22:31] <AirPlanes> nacc, ubunut ?
[22:32] <k1l> njumdl2014: ftp should be included in bash, iirc
[22:32] <AirPlanes> nacc, there is no such domain as ubunut? is this your phishing website?
[22:32] <nacc> AirPlanes: sorry, typo
[22:32] <AirPlanes> king of wpm
[22:32] <AirPlanes> How do I remove this? zsh: /usr/bin/zsh /bin/zsh /etc/zsh /usr/share/zsh /usr/share/man/man1/zsh.1.gz
[22:33] <nacc> AirPlanes: `apt-get purge zsh` ?
[22:33] <k1l> njumdl2014: ah wait, do a "sudo apt-get install ftp " which will install it. but be aware that ftp is pretty insecure without using of ssh
[22:33] <AirPlanes> i dont know
[22:33] <njumdl2014> I want to find the directory which contains ftp package.
[22:33] <nacc> njumdl2014: why?
[22:33] <k1l> njumdl2014: directory? what do you really want to do?
[22:34] <njumdl2014> the source code and the deb package for old version
[22:34] <AirPlanes> nice
[22:34] <AirPlanes> thanks na
[22:34] <AirPlanes> thanks nacc
[22:34] <k1l> njumdl2014: look at launchpad.net for that
[22:34] <nacc> njumdl2014: `apt-get source <pkgname>`; `apt-get download <pkgname>`
[22:34] <oscar255> hola
[22:35] <oscar255> hello
[22:35] <oscar255> how are you??
[22:37] <nacc> !ot | oscar255
[22:37] <njumdl2014> k1l: You mean the default ftp package is developed at launchpad.net?
[22:37] <nacc> njumdl2014: you can find all the packaging links on launchpad
[22:38] <nacc> njumdl2014: for any supported release; it doesn't mean launcpad is used for development, but the packages are still available for links from there
[22:38] <k1l> njumdl2014: no. its packaged at launchpad
[22:38] <njumdl2014> I think all the packages could be found at the mirror, why launchpad.net?
[22:38] <OerHeks> 'locate ftp' does wonders in terminal
[22:38] <nacc> njumdl2014: why do you want to find the package on the mirror?
[22:39] <k1l> njumdl2014: old packages get removed from the servers. its still unclear what you really want to do and it looks like you ask the wrong question
[22:40] <AirPlanes> ah
[22:40] <AirPlanes> why zsh is not show me colors?
[22:40] <njumdl2014> Well. Where could I download source code of ftp package?
[22:40] <k1l> AirPlanes: look at the config.
[22:40] <nacc> njumdl2014: we already told you that.
[22:41] <nacc> AirPlanes: something like 'autoload -Uz colors && colors' in .zshrc
[22:41] <k1l> njumdl2014: use apt-get or launchpad. your choice
[22:41] <AirPlanes> hi
[22:41] <AirPlanes> how do i mess up with partitions? learn how to use them?
[22:41] <AirPlanes> I want to be arch linux user
[22:41] <njumdl2014> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-ftp
[22:41] <njumdl2014> this ?
[22:41] <k1l> AirPlanes: wrong channel. this is ubuntu support
[22:41] <nacc> njumdl2014: no, that's the source package git-ftp (for the binary pacakge git-ftp)
[22:41] <AirPlanes> k1l: i ask about partitions.
[22:41] <AirPlanes> nothing wrong with that.
[22:42] <k1l> AirPlanes: read the docs if you are curious. we try to solve technical issues in here. and the arch linux channel is #archlinux
[22:42] <AirPlanes> noooooo
[22:42] <AirPlanes> all i ask is a question, stop wasting my time
[22:43] <AirPlanes> thanks for nothing
[22:43] <nacc> AirPlanes: what do you mean 'mess with partitions'? That's not something one does haphazardly
[22:43] <k1l> njumdl2014: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netkit-ftp
[22:43] <k1l> thats it
[22:43] <AirPlanes> nacc, learn how to do that
[22:44] <AirPlanes> because arch linux manual is not clear
[22:44] <nacc> njumdl2014: fwiw, you can use `apt-cache show <pkgname>`  to see the path on the mirror to the .deb files (although you shouldn't ever need to use that, just use `apt-get download`)
[22:45] <nacc> AirPlanes: well, to learn about partitioning generally, i think it's easiest to google around, evne if that's a frowned upon answer here. Your question isn't really a support one, though
[22:45] <njumdl2014> nacc: you are right.
[22:45] <njumdl2014> This is a good command. The true name of ftp package is netkit-ftp package.
[22:45] <nacc> njumdl2014: no
[22:46] <njumdl2014> ?
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: the *source* package name is netkit-ftp
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: it makes a binary package name called ftp
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: neither is more "true" than the other
[22:46] <AirPlanes>  nacc: you are right.
[22:46] <timyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJZgiy2x5nc
[22:47] <timyp> hmmm been using apt-get for years I'm not switching and I'm not using these lazt snap installs either
[22:47] <njumdl2014> Oh, I see. Thank you, nacc.
[22:49] <k1l> timyp: apt tries to simplify and unconfuse some parts of the old apt-get apt-cache .... commands
[22:49] <sysop> nick sysop2
[22:50] <saigel> Anybody know a way to completely remove all Desktop Environments from an ubuntu server? I got myself into DE hell, and don't know how to get out.
[22:54] <EriC^^> saigel: look into debfoster / deborphan
[22:54] <EriC^^> maybe remove xorg then remove stuff with them
[22:56] <saigel> Trying to install deborphan, but due to "unmet dependencies" of existing packages, it won't go there...
[22:57] <k1l> !info deborphan
[22:57] <k1l> unmet depencies sounds like using 3rd party repos?
[22:58] <EriC^^> saigel: sudo apt-get -f install ?
[22:58] <Kh_> I would like to put shortcuts of my applications on my desktop but I can not do
[22:58] <Kh_> In KDE
[22:58] <Kh_> :/
[22:58] <Kh_> Kubuntu 16.04
[23:00] <saigel> using "sudo apt-get -f install", I get "dpkg: error processing package ubuntu-mate-core (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"...
[23:01] <saigel> I don't know what to do. I just want to wipe all DEs off my system and do a clean install of Unity or Mate or Cinnamon
[23:01] <EriC^^> saigel: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq remove ubuntu-mate-core
[23:03] <saigel> @EriC^^: I get "dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of ubuntu-mate-core". ubuntu-mate-desktop depends on ubuntu-mate-core, however, package ubuntu-mate-core is to be removed...
[23:04] <EriC^^> saigel: dpkg --force-all remove ubuntu-mate-core
[23:05] <Eli-5dce> saigel: are you in root? or is that not required in ubuntu anymore? anyways I  know if you do the package by it's name it may work... like "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-mate-core" (no quotes)  and also "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-mate-desktop" if it is needed to remove desktop first
[23:05] <saigel> I'm using sudo
[23:06] <Eli-5dce> ok... but are you in root?
[23:06] <saigel> And that --force-all --remove seems to be doing something that I didn't accomplish before
[23:06] <saigel> In root? Meaning the root directory?
[23:06] <k1l> Eli-5dce: on ubuntu we dont use root. we got sudo for that
[23:07] <saigel> I'm just using sudo to run the command as root
[23:07] <k1l> saigel: that is ok
[23:07] <Eli-5dce> k1l: oh i haven't used ubuntu for so long i don't even remember the way it works
[23:08] <MAmine> In my ubuntu 14.04 64bit, there is no desktop switching in lightdm although I have mate-desktop installed
[23:09] <Eli-5dce> MAmine: did you ever try removing any packages? If you did and you ignored something it may have broke it.... :/
[23:10] <saigel> I've got a list of packages that are "stuck". This time I'm running, "sudo dpkg --force-all --remove ubuntu-mate-welcome", and it grinds on it for a few seconds befoe reporting "Segmentation fault (core dumped). dpkg: error processing package ubuntu-mate-welcome (--remove); subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 139
[23:10] <saigel> then it dies.
[23:10] <k1l> MAmine: iirc, its not that package for the desktop. it didnt land in 14.04.
[23:11] <k1l> MAmine: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/install-mate-desktop-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[23:12] <saigel> Among the warngings I get while it is trying to remove: dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'mate-media-common' is missing; assuming package has no files currently installed.
[23:12] <saigel> And it gives a similar warning for lots of dependent packages.
[23:14] <saigel> @MAmine, I did try removing packages. I've been trying to remove packages all afternoon. And I suppose that I DID ignore something, and it must be broken. But what to do?
[23:16] <Cyber_Akuma> I have a lot of ram in my system, and a slow HDD. Would Ubuntu have any issues if I installed it without a swap partition?
[23:16] <saigel> Is there no "nuclear option" for clearing out packages, short of reformatting and starting out all over again?
[23:18] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: not if you dont want to use hibernation or you know it will not exceed the amount of ram.
[23:19] <k1l> saigel: put the output into a pastebin and show the url here. people were actually guessing the commands. but the exact errormessages and used commands are very important.
[23:19] <k1l> saigel: are there any 3rd part repos or PPAs involved?
[23:21] <saigel> @k1l: yes
[23:22] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: Nope... Swap is important always to linux no matter what. Without it... It MAY it MAY cause problems and slow down your computer... always have a 1 - 2 (2.5 in my opinion is what i use) swap partition as logical :/ if it is a hdd ALWAYS do it. If it is a ssd it is your choice you may not need it
[23:23] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: I have both in my Gaming PC and 3 servers with HDD's in them and they all need swap because with out swap on there hard drives... It slowed down my performance
[23:24] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: and swap doesn't have to be big... It is supposed to be very small just so it can let your computer breath a little
[23:26] <monsterjamp> Hello
[23:27] <saigel> http://pastebin.com/dZcBq34n
[23:28] <Eli-5dce> hello monstercamp
[23:28] <monsterjamp> How do applications like rthymbox or spotify be controlled via the media keys? Is via gnome extension or is there another api?
[23:29] <Eli-5dce> monsterjamp: you may have the option for hotkeys. or some kind of keyboard multimedia plugin from Ubuntu Software Center
[23:31] <monsterjamp> Sorry I think I misworded my questions. I can use media keys to control music applications, but what APIs do the programmers use to enable the use of media keys? Is it integrated via gnome or via lowlevel Linux functions?
[23:32] <user-614900> Hi
[23:32] <Cyber_Akuma> 2.5x my ram as swap?
[23:32] <monsterjamp> I'm programming my own music player.
[23:32] <Cyber_Akuma> I have 32gigs of ram, that would be an insane waste of space
[23:32] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma Swap is used via drive. Not memory'
[23:33] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: no
[23:33] <Cyber_Akuma> I know
[23:34] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: Eli-5dce only thing where the size of swap matter is the hibernation. and there it must be 1:1 as ram size, because the ram gets stored in swap to make it "be there" after resume again
[23:34] <Cyber_Akuma> I know, but this is a desktop, so it's not an issue if I can't hibernate it
[23:34] <k1l> if you dont use hibernation (suspend to disk) you can use swap size whatever you want. even 0
[23:34] <Cyber_Akuma> Wait, so I still have to have a swap partition even if it's 0?
[23:35] <yorwos> has any1 had the luck to prematurely test/do an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04(.1) ? we are getting the update tomorrow right?
[23:35] <k1l> and if you have no swap and run out of ram then the kernel oom killer will kill programs to free ram again.
[23:35] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: no you dont
[23:36] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, but again, I consider it unlikely I will run out of ram since I have 32gb, the spare HDD I have to install it on though is only 5200rpm, it would really slow the OS down if it ever swaps
[23:36] <k1l> yorwos: you can test it with the -d for developer if you want to test it.. and its not comming in 24hours.
[23:36] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: yes.
[23:37] <k1l> so if that all is clear i dont get what you are asking :)
[23:37] <yorwos> oh.i.thought.21.juy.we.were.getting.it
[23:37] <yorwos> july*
[23:37] <Eli-5dce> k1l: oh I i see that a bit clearer now...
[23:37] <k1l> yorwos: we are. but its not 00:01 am at 21st :)
[23:37] <yorwos> :D
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> I was just making sure if Ubuntu can run with no swap partition at all, I know for Windows that's a bad idea no matter how much ram you have, wanted to know if it was nessary for some parts of Ubuntu too or no
[23:37]  * Eli-5dce is afk for a minute brb
[23:37] <k1l> Eli-5dce: there are a lot of myths around swap from the 80s/90s when ram was slow and dead expensive.
[23:38] <Eli-5dce> oh
[23:38] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: ubuntu can.
[23:38] <Cyber_Akuma> Great, thanks
[23:38] <yorwos> swap.is.also.cool.to.have.if.u.plan.to.use.virtual.machines.they.take.a.lot.of.swap
[23:39] <Cyber_Akuma> I doubt I will use VMs, I just want to install ubuntu on a spare drive to mess around with it, my main OS on this thing is Windows... which I do have some VMs on actually
[23:39] <bprompt> "someone", no name, is missing the space key
[23:40] <tatertots> speaking of swap, if any of you guys want to swap your fancy new computer for my old dinosaur computer, i wouldn't be apposed to the idea
[23:40] <Cyber_Akuma> Heh, I was stuck with a Pentium 3 that coulden't even properly play YouTube or scroll down Facebook until I finally built this thing in 2013, there is no way I am going back XD
[23:41] <yorwos> sry.space.is.broken.a.hustle.to.pin.in.the.hole.heh
[23:41] <yorwos> im.off.take.care
[23:42] <saigel> Ok, well if no insights on my broken package pastebin, I guess I'll just start re-installing...
[23:44] <themeat> Im trying the ubuntu live cd but something weird happened
[23:44] <themeat> (ubuntu lts 16.04)
[23:44] <themeat> it detected my wifi card as an ethernet device
[23:45] <edward_joe> mh i have been trying to access phpmyadmin but still wont get it
[23:45] <themeat> I had to restart network-manager for it to detect it as a wifi device
[23:46] <themeat> shit like that is why linux isnt ready for the desktop
[23:46] <themeat> there's *always* one problem or another
[23:46] <orlock> themeat: eh, people have been tolerating/expecting shit like that from other OS's for ages though
[23:46] <Cyber_Akuma> EVERY os has problems
[23:47] <orlock> themeat: Remember when changing a network gateway or nameserver under windows meant rebooting?
[23:47] <saigel> Like Windows is trouble free?
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> .... though I do feel Linux desktops are not really user friendly for the average person
[23:47] <orlock> these days, who cares - its the applications, not the OS you run
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Hell, I remember when changing the DISPLAY RESOLUTION meant rebooting
[23:47] <themeat> orlock: nope. the average person doesnt change that stuff. me neither
[23:47] <saigel> They are very friendly to the average person who has bothered to learn a little about how their computer works...
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Or was that color depth?
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Eh, it was one of them in Windows 95, pretty much anything needed a reboot
[23:48] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: Malicious ping? Crash and reboot!
[23:48] <Cyber_Akuma> A.... a ethetnet connection? In the Windows 95 days? That's cute
[23:48] <orlock> anyway, linux bypassed the desktop
[23:48] <orlock> and went into the pocket and TV
[23:49] <themeat> windows has lots of problems too, but they tend to be non-critical and at the application level
[23:49] <Cyber_Akuma> And microwave and toaster and tablet and console and set-top box and just about everything else
[23:49] <Cyber_Akuma> ...... except oddly, ATMS and POS systems
[23:49] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: yeah - though for a long time desktop windows was rare there too
[23:50] <Cyber_Akuma> I meant that most still run windows
[23:50] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: and they used to run wince and os/2 or whatever
[23:50] <Cyber_Akuma> The POS systems when I worked retail were XP embedded...... connecting to an XP desktop that was the checkout-register
[23:51] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: though a lot of them will have linux systems inside running comms gear (used to work for a network operator/manufacturer)
[23:51] <bazhang> lets get back to ubuntu support here please
[23:51] <Cyber_Akuma> Gotta love it when the upgrade instructions basically include "Do NOT reconnect these wires in the wrong order or it will short out"
[23:51] <bazhang> chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:51] <orlock> how do i connect ubuntu to my active directory server
[23:51] <orlock> how do i join it to the domain
[23:55] <D-unit>
[23:59] <nacc> orlock: you'd use samba + libpam-winbind (iiuc)


[19:39] <raub> How do I boot after installing lubuntu in safe graphics mode?
[19:40] <raub> Or pure command line; it will do fine for me
[20:21] <arraybolt3> raub: You'll need to add nomodeset to your kernel command line.
[20:22] <arraybolt3> raub: To do that, boot into recovery mode. During early boot, just after the screen goes black, or changes visibly, hit the Esc button. (Some systems may need you to press and hold Shift instead.)
[20:22] <arraybolt3> raub: This should get you to a boot menu. Select "Advanced Options for Ubuntu", then select the second option in the list (it should have "recovery mode" in it).
[20:23] <arraybolt3> raub: This will boot the system into a scary-looking menu. Select "root", press Enter, and drop to a root shell.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> raub: From there, run "mount -o remount,rw /" to get write access to your disk.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> raub: Next, do "nano /usr/share/grub/default/grub". This should pull up a text editor.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> raub: In the file, add "nomodeset" into the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" entry.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> raub: Now press Ctrl+S to save, then Ctrl+X to exit.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> raub: Finally, run "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and you're done!
[20:30] <arraybolt3> raub: Once you're done, reboot the system with "reboot", and see if it works.
[21:44] <Jacob54545> hello
[21:44] <Jacob54545> I need help
[21:44] <Jacob54545> to install
[21:44] <Jacob54545> lubuntu
[21:46] <Jacob54545> i can't install
[21:46] <Jacob54545> hello
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Jacob54545: OK, what's going wrong?
[21:47] <Jacob54545> i need
[21:47] <Jacob54545> help
[21:47] <Jacob54545> i can't install
[21:47] <Jacob54545> this is the message
[21:48] <Jacob54545> there are no partitions to install on
[21:49] <Jacob54545> can you help me ?
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Jacob54545: So, you booted into the installer, and are at the 'Partitions' screen, correct?
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Jacob54545: If that's right, click "Erase Disk", then click "Next".
[21:49] <Jacob54545> i can't
[21:50] <arraybolt3> Jacob54545: OK, hold on. Start over. There's no way for me to know where the problem is unless you tell me exactly what you did and when the problem occurred. Starting from when you downloaded the Lubuntu ISO, describe all the steps you took from there. Give detail if possible.
[21:50] <arraybolt3> (Also, the exact version of Lubuntu and what website you downloaded it from is helpful info to have.)
[21:51] <Jacob54545> ok i don't speak english very well sorry i need a time ok
[21:51] <arraybolt3> That's fine. If you'd like, speak in your native language, and I'll wrangle Google Translate.
[21:52] <arraybolt3> (In fact, it's far more likely that things will go better if you do that.)
[21:52] <Jacob54545> ok thaks
[21:52] <Jacob54545> i'm from spain
 @N0um3n0 speaks spwnusgc
 *Spanish
[21:52] <arraybolt3> Jacob54545: ¡Hola desde los Estados Unidos!
[21:52] <Jacob54545> hola
[21:53] <Jacob54545> se me entiende
[21:53] <Jacob54545> esto te lo traduce
[21:53] <arraybolt3> Si te entiendo.
[21:53] <Jacob54545> vamos
 !es
 Doesn't work from telegram
[21:54] <arraybolt3> emergencychina: That's fine, I get what you're saying. Already moved to lubuntu-es.
 Oops... it was dinner time, I didn't notice (re @emergencychina: @N0um3n0 speaks Spanish)
 but @arraybolt did the job for me :p
[22:26] <arraybolt3> N0um3n0: I would've forgotten to mention the web browser thing if it wasn't for you.
 We are a team ;) (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> N0um3n0: I would've forgotten to mention the web browser thing if it wasn't for you.)
[22:28] <arraybolt3> 👍


[00:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> Oh and daftykins & cjo, buttercup is a printer driver I'm working on xD (we all need "cup's" )
[00:02] <daftykins> i bet by just fine ^_^
[00:02] <daftykins> oops
[00:02] <daftykins> *get
[00:19] <daftykins> yet another kernel rejig
[03:00] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/qHcfj.jpg
[05:34] <popey_> moo
[05:36] <daftykins> go to sleep
[05:36] <daftykins> :>
[05:36] <MartijnVdS> morning
[05:36] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I just woke up! :)
[05:36] <daftykins> :D
[05:41] <daftykins> i'm a bit horrified you guys get up this early
[05:42] <MartijnVdS> ma jan 14 06:42:37 CET 2013
[05:42] <MartijnVdS> it's not THAT early
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> and popey_ seems to have an "other side of the planet"-excuse
[05:43] <daftykins> oh he's doing that again
[05:43] <daftykins> cheater!
[05:44] <popey_> hehe
[05:44] <popey_> only 21:44 here ☺
[05:44] <popey> ooh
[05:44] <popey> although I am a bit wobble
[05:44] <popey> lsiudlaflihfewliuwef
[05:44] <popey> etc
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: you brought the cat? :)
[05:44] <popey> heh
[05:44] <popey> i need to slep
[05:45] <popey> er
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> let's all slep popey !
[05:45] <popey> :D
[05:46] <daftykins> poor guy's only freedom
[05:57] <popey> sleepy time
[05:58] <daftykins> nn
[05:59] <popey> ☺
[08:47] <daubers> Morning
[08:50] <AlanBell> morning
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Afternoon
[09:05] <Laney> ahoy
[09:05]  * Laney shivers
[09:11] <hoover> Good morning
[09:12] <dwatkins> wotcher
[09:15] <Laney> everyone got a lovely dusting of snow? ^_^
[09:16] <directhex> yes
[09:22] <knightwise> morning
[09:23] <diplo> Morning
[09:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:25] <czajkowski> Laney: I have snow and it's sticing and there is more coming down
[09:25] <dwatkins> strangely we have no snow here in Scotland
[09:26] <czajkowski> bah
[09:27] <Laney> i want more!
[09:27] <Laney> apport has decided to start working
[09:27] <Laney> cue hundreds of reports at once
[09:28] <knightwise> hey Laney czajkowski !
[09:28] <knightwise> how are you doing today !
[09:29] <Laney> tickin' along
[09:29] <czajkowski> loath_~SNOW
[09:29] <Laney> nooooooo
[10:04] <Laney> ooh, here comes the snow part two
[10:04] <Azelphur> indeed, I have many snows.
[10:04] <knightwise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH2KGboA35c Snooow
[10:06] <knightwise> Oh sweet spotify , drown out the co-workers noises with your sweet music.
[10:06] <Azelphur> this song is funny, she wants to wash herself in snow
[10:06] <Azelphur> xD
[10:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:51] <kvarley>  brobostigon: \o
[10:51] <kvarley> How goes it?
[10:52] <brobostigon> kvarley: not bad, and you?
[10:53] <kvarley>  brobostigon: I'm good. Snowing her, wish it'd stop
[10:53] <brobostigon> kvarley: we got alittle overnight, but that has been it.
[10:54] <brobostigon> i think at the moment, it is semi-raining, with a few flakes.
[10:55] <brobostigon> a day to test, if my new winter jacket. will keep me dry and warm.
[11:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:32] <mungbean> is there any money for the metal in old boilers, or they should go straight to the dump?
[11:36] <czajkowski> Laney: you'd like it here
[11:36] <czajkowski> it's snowing
[11:36] <czajkowski> and settling
[11:36] <diplo> mungbean: Only if there is lots of copper
[11:36] <Laney> czajkowski: jealous!
[11:36] <Laney> it's starting to settle here actually
[11:36] <Laney> hope it keeps it up for a few more hours ...
[11:37] <diplo> We've got lots of water settling!
[11:37] <diplo> Bloomin rain!
[11:38] <czajkowski> poxy snow
[11:41] <xnox> mungbean: yes, there is.
[11:42] <mungbean> xnox: taking to scrap yard?
[11:42] <xnox> mungbean: i mean, you can get some money for it as pure scrap metal.
[11:42] <mungbean> by taking to a scrap yard?
[11:42] <xnox> mungbean: but transportation costs might be more than you get out of it. E.g. nobody will come to collect it.
[11:43] <mungbean> fits in my estate car i think
[11:43] <xnox> mungbean: dunno what they are called in British English, but yeah scrap yard that buys metal should do.
[11:43] <xnox> mungbean: call them up first to see if they want it or not =) some scrap yards specialise only in certain things.
[11:44] <mungbean> http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2587913
[11:44] <xnox> (e.g. like batteries or electronics only)
[11:47] <xnox> mungbean: if it's made from ferrous metals (like copper) than you will get a lot for it. If there is a lot of disassembly and not much metal, you'll get less =)
[11:47]  * xnox 's dad runs a metal scrap yard ;-)
[11:47] <mungbean> i don't have a big copper cylinder, its just an old combi boiler, will prob take it to the council recycling centre
[11:49] <xnox> =) then council sells them to scrap yard in bulk and gets money =)
[11:50] <Laney> hot squash :>
[11:54] <ali1234> xnox: if only that were true. what will actually happen is the council will pay a company to crush it and then ship it to africa, where it will be dumped in a field, rust, and poison the water table.
[11:56] <xnox> ali1234: scrap metal is up to 98% recyclable, and is traded on exchanges in london and throught the world. I doubt it's metal that's crushed and dumped.
[11:56] <xnox> Plastics often are.
[11:57] <xnox> ali1234: if you know councils that dump metal, get them in touch with me. I'd buy their scrap metal.
[11:58] <mungbean> councils will strip them down and profit in bulk
[11:58] <mungbean> i'm happy to do that
[11:58] <ali1234> that's the thing. you can't just buy the metal from them
[11:59] <ali1234> they throw *all* the garbage into a giant crusher, then put it into shipping containers and send it to foreign countries
[12:00] <ali1234> you see the council has contracts with "recycling" companies
[12:01] <mungbean> i have a friend who works for the recycling team
[12:01] <mungbean> i'll check with him, but pretty sure they strip them here onsite
[12:01] <ali1234> and those companies have contracts with overseas companies who supposedly do the actual recycling, but instead just dump it
[12:04] <mungbean> i know that the reason they fill up ships with plastic bottles and send to china is not for recycling abroad (although they are recycled), but for ballast in the boats as there is massive disparity between imports and exports to china
[12:26] <selinuxium> Afternoon all o/
[14:48] <Azelphur> why do ikea hate me so, additional 3 week delay on delivery
[15:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: how is your lunch break switch off going ?
[15:05] <czajkowski> not bad
[15:06] <czajkowski> getting better
[15:06] <czajkowski> went at 2 today
[15:06] <czajkowski> just back
[15:38] <meet> does aria2c or axel really speed up downloads?
[15:39] <davmor2> meet: only in the same way bittorrent can,  If you have loads of seeds it goes faster than when there are fewer seeds
[15:40] <davmor2> meet: this creates a load of connections to one machine though so depends if the machine is configure to stop multiple downloads from one source how fast that machine is etc
[15:41] <meet> davmor2: so both of them make many to connections?
[15:42] <meet> davmor2: or do they also find multiple mirrors?
[15:42] <davmor2> meet: basically
[15:42] <davmor2> meet: no not multiple mirrors they just download it in parallel rather than serial
[15:44] <meet> davmor2: btw which one is better?
[15:45] <davmor2> meet: pass I only ever used axel years ago
[15:46] <meet> davmor2: :) ok.. btw my updates and downloads through software center senter are vey slow than my normal speed.. what can i do so my full bandwidth is utilised ?
[15:49] <davmor2> meet: USC will use as much bandwidth as is available and that matches the speed of the ppa/repo that you are connected too
[15:51] <meet> davmor2: i used the select best mirror option in the settings. but it chose a server geographically much far away from me. so should i just keep to the default one?
[15:51] <davmor2> meet: possibly
[16:00] <meet> while installing gnome shell in ubuntu12.10 can i choose the applications which should be installed? like what if i dont want evolution or empathy etc>
[16:00] <diplo> anyone use mythtv backend with xbmc here ?
[16:38] <popey> morning
[16:39] <davmor2> hey popey
[16:49] <dwatkins> evening
[17:31] <Laney> muhahaha
[17:31] <Laney> found a forgotten selection box
[17:34] <czajkowski> danfish: https://launchpad.net/gpdictaware
[17:34]  * czajkowski steals Laney selection box
[17:34] <Laney> TOO LATE I ATE IT ALL
[17:34]  * Laney gets sick
[17:35] <czajkowski> not going out in the snow then are you now!
[17:35]  * MartijnVdS puts Laney in quarantine
[17:35] <Laney> it's been melting anyway :( crap snow :(
[17:36] <czajkowski> Laney: not here it isn't
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> we have a fine dusting of snow
[17:36] <czajkowski> danfish: another one https://launchpad.net/medicalstore
[17:36] <Laney> lucky yous
[17:36] <czajkowski> lots of good ideas there
[17:36] <czajkowski> Laney: bah
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> so of course the railway people announced "special schedules" for tomorrow
[17:36] <danfish> czajkowski: ta!
[17:37] <czajkowski> danfish: may or may not be interesting
[17:37] <czajkowski> but lots of medical projects seeem to appear
[17:39] <bigcalm> Ding dong
[17:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you say that as you typed in a Leslie Philips stylee
[17:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: but of course
[17:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: good man
[17:45] <bigcalm> How does one force a socket free? I have a crashed process that wont restart until the port is free
[17:57] <bigcalm> Woo, nearly home time!
[17:57] <bigcalm> That would mean so much more if I didn't work from home
[17:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: Pendulum https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol
[17:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: you mean nearly lounge time surely
[18:23] <bootkigftrgds> Hi there, Just to let you know, I installed avast for Linux  and got a key and after a few screens I installed Avast Anit-virus and I thought I'd get back in touch. Here is my review .. http://paste.lisp.org/+2VVP hope that helps. Overall score 3/10
[18:24] <zleap> why do you need avast antivirus on Linux ?  or any anti virus in the first place
[18:24] <bootkigftrgds> Ask avast.
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> arrr!
[18:26] <dwatkins> for running Samba to allow people to store their files?
[18:29] <bootkigftrgds> dwatkins: I'm not sure, but I think you did say when I asked about Av for Linux .. ' give it a try & report back to us ' .. so I did .. works Ok , but very minimal TBH.
[18:30] <dwatkins> bootkigftrgds: cool
[18:30] <bootkigftrgds> there must be a market the para'ds among us.
[18:31] <bootkigftrgds> i just like trying new software :)
[18:31] <dwatkins> or those who want to protect other users from themselves ;)
[18:31] <bootkigftrgds> true.
[18:31] <dwatkins> I'd be very surprised if you found any malware within Linux itself, since you've presumably been using the official repositories to install, although there's a chance some 3rd party repo might be compromised, of course.
[18:32] <bootkigftrgds> has anyone actually use the firewall that comes with Ubuntu, 'cos I've never ben able to configure it .. no biggie.
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: when official repos are compromised, there's usually a big news story about it
[18:32] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I'm sure there would be, yes
[18:32] <dwatkins> bootkigftrgds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall
[18:32] <bootkigftrgds> opening...
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> unless you're using a two-user distro of some kind of course
[18:33] <jacobw> the offical repos have been compromised?
[18:33] <dwatkins> no
[18:34] <dwatkins> we're speculating about ways a linux system could end up with a virus or malware
[18:34] <zleap> rootkits mainly i guess
[18:34] <zleap> if you run as root all the time
[18:34] <davmor2> bootkigftrgds: there is bitdefender for linux too that does a gui iirc, install gufw and that is way easier for a gui system
[18:34] <jacobw> :)
[18:35]  * jacobw takes a deep breath
[18:35] <zleap> physical access to a system,  if someone then instlls a key logger somewhere (hardware)
[18:35] <zleap> installs
[18:35] <bootkigftrgds> dwatkins: crumbs, that link is way beyond my ability,is there a book for general purpose firewall , just to get the terminology etc, or is it all on-line ??
[18:36] <jacobw> signed binaries and reasonable passwords, trust keys and certificates, not network addresses
[18:36] <bootkigftrgds> davmor2: Thank, I'll give it a try, late.
[18:36] <bootkigftrgds> **later.
[18:36] <dwatkins> bootkigftrgds: I imagine there are other tutorials for it, it should jsut be a case of installing it then specifically allowing the ports you want to open, though.
[18:37] <bootkigftrgds> Yeah, although I know what ports are, you lost me a specifying what ports I want open ..
[18:37] <jacobw> "all things from this address space are allowed" becomes a liability when that address space has been repurpose a few dozen times :)
[18:37] <dwatkins> repurpose, jacobw?
[18:37] <jacobw> reallocated
[18:38] <davmor2> bootkigftrgds: ufw is a system that uses the firewall build into linux.  The reason it is called uncomplicated Firewall is because it uses pretty much plain english.  However it still needs to be able to do everything that is needed from an industrial grade firewall
[18:39] <dwatkins> can anyone suggest a way to test if a UDP port is listening for a connection? I assume it's effectively pointless to try, since there's no connection established, so unless you get rejected you can't know.
[18:39] <jacobw> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 is for my private servers at that I trust SSH from at time A, then I move my private servers to a public space and reallocate it for a new office LAN, at time B I trust SSH from an office LAN
[18:40] <jacobw> it's just a pet peeve of mine, it's not particularly relevant :|
[18:41] <bootkigftrgds> Wow .. looks like Avast has spring-boarded a popular topic :D
[18:41] <dwatkins> jacobw: what's the annoying part? I don't understand
[18:41] <jacobw> dwatkins: network addresses don't identify trusted things
[18:41] <dwatkins> ah ok
[18:42] <dwatkins> I tend o use ssh keys for that ;)
[18:42] <dwatkins> *to
[18:43] <jacobw> exactly, trusting keys and certificates is so much better
[18:45] <jacobw> soap box time over
[19:02] <kevin> hi all, anyone use skype with unity? why isn't it possible to resize the chat window width to below a certain threshold?
[19:03] <skinofstars> or is that just a skype thing?
[19:05] <popey> i use it, yes
[19:05] <popey> sounds like a skype issue
[19:06] <skinofstars> popey: thought as much. thanks
[19:09] <Whoop> skinofstars: probably unrelated but have you seen skype wrapper?
[19:09] <Whoop> it fixes a load of crappy unity/skype things
[19:12] <directhex> most windows can declare a minimum size to the window manager
[19:13] <skinofstars> Whoop: i have not seen that, no. wil check it out. thanks
[19:13] <directhex> native Skype support in empathy!
[19:14] <skinofstars> directhex: really? does that support voice/video calls and group chat?
[19:14] <directhex> s' not available publicly. sorry.
[19:15] <neuro> jono's doing his weekly Q&A chat, quick! to #ubuntu-on-air to ask him embarrassing questions!
[19:24] <Whoop> native?  I don't belive it, thats not possible unless someone reverse engineered the Skype protocol.  There's no way to communicate with Skype unless you have the official client open then utalise the API
[19:27] <commonWinuser> Hello ?
[19:28] <commonWinuser> Is anyone actually here ?
[19:28] <skinofstars> hi
[19:28] <skinofstars> wassup?
[19:29] <commonWinuser> Hello. Just PC trubles I guess.
[19:29] <commonWinuser> *troubles. (sorry I'm bad at English)
[19:29] <commonWinuser> Would you mind if I ask you for some help ?
[19:29] <ali1234> Whoop: it's possible if you license the skype libraries... then you can integrate it however you want with whatever you want
[19:29] <ali1234> Whoop: see the N900 for an example of how to do it properly
[19:30] <dwatkins> I thought there were security keys involved as well stopping other clients form using skype's service.
[19:30] <ali1234> none of that matters
[19:30] <Whoop> Really?  I thought they had strict licensing on you being able to only do that if there were no official client or some crap
[19:30] <dwatkins> commonWinuser: you can ask, but if you're using Windows, you may not necessarily get a reply ;)
[19:30] <ali1234> there is an official skype library that runs headless
[19:30] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: you should just ask. if anynoe knows the answer, they'll help :)
[19:30] <commonWinuser> Yeah I know but I'm using Linux to fix the laptop.
[19:30] <Whoop> Thats not really native then is it :)
[19:31] <ali1234> what is native then?
[19:31] <commonWinuser> I know very very very... basics of Linux
[19:31] <Whoop> ali1234: implementation of the protocol, no backend closed daemon etc
[19:31] <ali1234> are you going to just redefine what native means until it fits your definition?
[19:31] <ali1234> libskype isn't a daemon... it's a library
[19:31] <ali1234> it isn't open source
[19:31] <ali1234> it is native though
[19:31] <Whoop> you said headless, that implies its running in the background without a head
[19:31]  * Whoop shrugs
[19:32] <commonWinuser> Well guys today my mother booted up the laptop normaly but it kept giving message similar to "Insert proper boot media and press any key to boot"
[19:32] <bootkigftrgds> directhex .. Why doesn't 'sudo apt-get empathy' work on my Lubuntu machine ??
[19:32] <skinofstars> i've not kept up with skype development, but in the past when i've wanted to run 'headless' skype i've ended up with what is basically a minimal x11 env, thn hooking into the api
[19:33] <Whoop> skinofstars: thats what I thought also, so nfi
[19:33] <directhex> bootkigftrgds, because you need to issue an actual command to apt-get, like "install"
[19:33] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: well the things is the laptop worked fine
[19:33] <dwatkins> bootkigftrgds: does it say that you need the word 'install' as well as the application?
[19:33] <directhex> skinofstars, yeah, a proper headless version is written, but nobody wants to pay the associated costs for releasing it
[19:33] <ali1234> 'cept nokia. right?
[19:33] <bootkigftrgds> ok
[19:34] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: the latop works fine with ubuntu?
[19:34] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: It had win7 instaled. And this morning it simply stoped. The laptop had no contact to suspicious websites as mother only watches shows shown on Youtube. And has Eset Nod Smart security instaled
[19:34] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: well here is the thing. this morning that error apeared.
[19:35] <directhex> ali1234, on the N9? yes afaik.
[19:35] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: that's a windows error though, right?
[19:35] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: Because the DVD reader refused to read my Win7 DVD. I made a live boot USB
[19:35] <ali1234> directhex: it's on N900 too
[19:35] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: yes but get this...
[19:35] <directhex> ali1234, yeah
[19:35] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: It boots up and tells me that no OS is instaled.
[19:35] <ali1234> and it's really really good
[19:36] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: And it keeps giving me the error that there is no OS to boot from.
[19:36] <ali1234> as i was saying the other day... canonical should license it
[19:36] <ali1234> it was a killer app on N900
[19:36] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: So I made Ubuntu live boot USB
[19:36] <dwatkins> commonWinuser: if says no OS is present, how does it boot?
[19:36] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: Well Ubuntu runs fine but
[19:36] <dwatkins> or rather 'what' does it boot?
[19:37] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: Gives "/boot/" some .ini file win tries to boot Win but there is no OS
[19:37] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: anyway Ubuntu loads up all is fine and when I try to check the HDD
[19:37] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: do you have a windows recovery disk?
[19:37] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: ... there isn't one
[19:38] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: No... I have win7 instalation disk but reader refuses to read it
[19:38] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: oh, you can't access the hdd at all with ubuntu?
[19:38] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: that doesn't sound good
[19:38] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: No. It is like when windows tells you there are no drivers
[19:39] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: sorry, i don't really know what windows says. i'm in the fortunate position of using debian/ubuntu at work and at home
[19:39] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: And I have no idea what my hardware is. I tried this "sudo lshw
[19:39] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: Well I would use Ubuntu as well but my parents have some... Issues about it...
[19:40] <neuro> commonWinuser: you need to use a windows recovery disc to repair the MBR
[19:40] <neuro> commonWinuser: download one and burn it if your current one is broken: http://www.w7forums.com/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-image-downloads-t12325.html
[19:40] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: I see. So no other solution apart from that. Thank you for your time. And thanks for the solution :D
[19:41] <skinofstars> thanks neuro :)
[19:41] <skinofstars> commonWinuser: god luck
[19:41] <neuro> if your hard disk is broken, you need to replace it, reinstall and restore from your backups
[19:41] <skinofstars> good*
[19:41] <commonWinuser> skinofstars: Thanks
[19:41] <commonWinuser> Good bye and have a nice day :D
[19:42] <neuro> why people come into an ubuntu channel for help with windows is beyond me
[19:42] <ali1234> have you ever been to #windows?
[19:42] <skinofstars> .... not sure i deserved that thanks. cheers for stepping in there neuro
[19:42] <neuro> and why people from bosnia come into a UK channel is also beyond me :)
[19:42] <neuro> skinofstars: no worries
[19:42] <neuro> ali1234: no, and i don't plan to ;)
[19:42] <dwatkins> Ukraine? uk...
[19:43] <skinofstars> heh
[19:43] <neuro> possibly ...
[19:43] <neuro> skinofstars: best thing to get rid of interlopers is quickly google for some info and pass it on
[19:43]  * dwatkins wonders if there's a .ni tld, since there's a .uk not a .gb
[19:43] <neuro> and when i say "get rid of", i mean "assist politely and in the spirit of sharing"
[19:43] <neuro> dwatkins: there is a .gb
[19:44] <neuro> but the early uk networks already used uk historically in pre DNS addressing
[19:44] <dwatkins> neuro: ok, I should have said that it is actually used by more than a couple hosts ;)
[19:45] <dwatkins> I mean isn't... or something
[19:45] <neuro> hey
[19:45] <neuro> there's THREE hosts in .gb
[19:45] <skinofstars> .ni is Nicaragua
[19:45] <neuro> exactly
[19:45] <neuro> the standard is the ISO3166-1 code
[19:45] <neuro> NI isn't a stanard code
[19:46] <dwatkins> heh, ok
[19:46] <neuro> <- knows stuff
[19:46] <dwatkins> I know, I was just kidding :)
[19:46] <neuro> :)
[19:46] <jacobw> wikipedia does too
[19:46]  * dwatkins is quite familiar with ISO3166, and often refers people to it
[19:46] <neuro> blame jon postel, to be honest
[19:47] <dwatkins> the guy who wrote the RFCs?
[19:48] <neuro> ya
[19:50] <dwatkins> "The Doctor Who Past Doctor Adventures novel Blue Box, written in 2003 but set in 1981, includes a character predicting that by the year 2000 there will be four hundred machines connected to ARPANET."
[19:50] <neuro> and they will weigh less than four tons
[19:51]  * dwatkins grins
[19:52] <neuro> i wish i'd had a go at ARPANET
[19:52] <neuro> but the first time i touched an internet connected machine was 1992
[19:52] <dwatkins> likewise, a much more innocent time, too
[19:52] <neuro> so i missed it by 2 yrs
[19:52] <dwatkins> I had my first foray into the internet in about 1994
[19:52] <dwatkins> I remember seeing someone dial-up in the late 1980s, but that wasn't really internet
[19:53] <dwatkins> telnetting from a BBC Micro
[19:53]  * dwatkins wonders if he can use his beeb as an ssh client
[19:53] <neuro> probably x25
[19:53] <neuro> ha
[19:53] <neuro> probably
[19:53] <neuro> people have hacked tcp onto spectrums and c64s
[19:53] <dwatkins> looks like kermit was available, so perhaps I can do internal-only telnet at home
[19:54] <neuro> closest you'll probably get is a riscos client
[19:55] <neuro> http://nettle.sourceforge.net/
[19:55] <dwatkins> neat
[19:55] <dwatkins> one of the things on my 'someday' shopping list is an A3020
[19:56] <neuro> calls binaries for things it doesn't understand, so just install openssh alongside it
[19:56] <neuro> i have an A5000 sitting under my desk in my wee office
[19:57] <dwatkins> I have red function keys on order for my IBM Model M
[19:57] <dwatkins> I've got RISC OS installed on the Raspberry Pi, so can run arch and beeb stuffs on there
[19:57] <neuro> :)
[19:57] <dwatkins> wow: http://mdfs.net/Apps/Networking/EcoTCP/ReadMe
[19:57] <dwatkins> TCP/IP for the BBC Micro
[19:58] <neuro> i should have known
[19:58] <neuro> ah yeah, thought it would do that
[19:58] <neuro> graft it on top of econet
[19:58] <dwatkins> I have a B+ with all of 64k RAM :D
[19:58] <dwatkins> no idea how likely it is I'll find an econet interface...
[19:58] <neuro> ebay
[19:59] <dwatkins> hmmm, only one on there is for the Master
[19:59] <neuro> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/blah/150980131663
[19:59] <neuro> yeah
[20:00] <dwatkins> very tempting to get an archimedes, though
[20:00] <dwatkins> anyway, back later, enjoy :)
[20:00] <neuro> :)
[20:00] <neuro> now *I* want an archie, git
[20:02] <mgdm> neuro: get a raspberry pi and run the RiscOS image on it
[20:02] <neuro> that would necessitate actually taking my rpi out the box
[20:02] <mgdm> Yes. Yes it would.
[20:03] <AlanBell> I have a riscos SD card, it was great to have a play with it again
[20:03] <neuro> i do actually want to Do Stuff with mine, but i'm tempted to get another for noodlage
[20:03] <neuro> in fact i'm tempted to get maplin's starter kit thingy once i'm working again
[20:04] <AlanBell> get multiple smallish SD cards
[20:04] <neuro> 75 quid for a model b incl 512MB plus raspian on a 4GB card, plus hub, keyb, mouse, twin USB PSU, A-B USB cable, hdmi, and wifi doobrie
[20:06] <AlanBell> do you need all that?
[20:06] <neuro> well it would be nice
[20:06] <neuro> although admittedly i'd be more interested in a decent wee case
[20:07] <AlanBell> I should get a case at some point
[20:07] <mgdm> the PiBow is quite nice
[20:07] <mgdm> if a little bright :)
[20:07] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/130039-kingston-8gb-secure-digital-high-capacity-card-sd4-8gb £3.99 now, SD cards are getting cheap
[20:07] <neuro> i have 2 16s sitting there waiting to be used
[20:08] <neuro> i'm such a lazy goit, i really am
[20:09] <neuro> thing is, i've spent so much time virtualising stuff to not run lots of boxes, running a separate box to do anything seems a bit odd
[20:09] <neuro> so i'd have to find something very particular that would require it to be running standalone rather than virtualised
[20:09] <neuro> and i can't think of a particular use yet
[20:09] <neuro> except for maybe a webcam thingy
[20:10] <neuro> plug a standard usb webcam in one usb port, a wifi dongle in the other, and use it to like capture stuff
[20:10] <neuro> and just need a power socket nearby for usb PSU
[20:10] <neuro> can't think of anything else i'd use it for
[20:12] <neuro> (that was a cue for someone to tell me some awesome interesting thing you'd use an rpi for!)
[20:12] <shauno> I'm using mine as a gateway between router & 3g modem, until Chorus figure themselves out and get me hooked up
[20:13] <shauno> yes there's 'mifi' things that do this properly, but for the sake of a week or two's connectivity, it's just the job
[20:13] <neuro> nice
[20:13] <neuro> chorus ...
[20:13] <neuro> *brrrr*
[20:13] <neuro> chills
[20:14] <shauno> it's that or eircom here, really.  the choice between intentionally evil, and simply inept
[20:14] <neuro> ireland ...
[20:14] <neuro> the digital hub
[20:14] <neuro> except when it comes to doing digital stuff for residents
[20:14] <neuro> but for COMPANIES, come on in, we luv ya!
[20:15] <neuro> i get why broadband is crap in ireland (massively rural legacy telco infra), but still ...
[20:16] <shauno> well, I'm waiting for an appointment to get 100meg in here.  so I can't complain.  I'm just getting the run-around trying to get them moving.  they keep claiming my bank doesn't exist
[20:18] <shauno> I either get the bangalore equivalent of "computer says no", or they just go back to page 1 of the script
[20:18] <neuro> hehe
[20:18] <neuro> unlucky
[20:19] <shauno> on the plus side, my Roomba arrived today, so I feel like a 12yo :)  And already considering brain surgery on it
[20:20] <neuro> lol
[20:20] <neuro> bad enough you have an AI hoover in the house, but *hacking* it?!
[20:20] <neuro> dude, skynet
[20:22] <popey> do they actually work?
[20:22] <shauno> well I went for the cheapest model I could find, and was rewarded with a complete lack of timing/scheduling functions.  which just seems so simple to achieve that it almost seems silly not to try adding it
[20:22] <popey> i quite fancy one
[20:23] <shauno> I'm not sure yet.  it did a fairly entertaining job on its first run, but now I'm obediently giving it an overnight on the charger like the book says
[20:24] <popey> can it trundle around a whole house or does it only do one room at a time?
[20:24] <shauno> it claims it'll do 3 rooms on one charge.  I've yet to try that though
[20:25] <neuro> CAN IT LEVITATE UP THE STAIRS LIKE A DALEK?! *shudder*
[20:25] <shauno> I'm curious how it finds home once it's done three, because the 'beacon' for the base station appears to be optical
[20:25] <popey> does it build an internal map?
[20:26] <shauno> it doesn't seem to, based on the pinball game it played between my tablelegs
[20:30] <mgdm> Hmm
[20:31] <mgdm> I thought that was the point :)
[20:32] <shauno> well, so far all its had is a 10 minute run while I giggled like a child, before I put it on to charge like I oughta.  so very rough first impressions
[20:49] <ali1234> indoor positioning is supposed to be the thing this year
[20:49] <ali1234> (last year it was AR)
[21:07] <skinofstars> not sure if anyone can help with this, but my usb mouse doesn't seem to work with the usb3 port
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> skinofstars: strange. does the usb3 port work with anything else?
[21:11] <skinofstars> just tried a usb stick. nuffin
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> skinofstars: nothing detected? (lsusb, dmesg)
[21:12] <skinofstars> yep, nothing on lsusb or dmesg
[21:12] <skinofstars> usb2 seem to be fine
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> I don't know.. don't have any USB3 ports..
[21:21] <directhex> skinofstars, usb3 port on the front of the case, or direct on the motherboard?
[21:24] <skinofstars> directhex: it's a laptop. so on the side
[21:25] <skinofstars> sorry. actually, i am seeing a usb hub on lsusb
[21:25] <skinofstars> but it's returning 'unused'
[21:26] <skinofstars> it didn't say usb without doing lsusb -v
[21:27] <directhex> check your BIOS settings to see if there's anything relevant there
[21:27] <skinofstars> cool. i saw someone on the internets suggestng booting with it plugged in, so i'll check that too
[21:35] <dwatkins> neuro: looks like I can make a straight pass-through RS423-RS232 cable and run 'Tequila' on my BBC Micro to use it as a terminal for my ubuntu machine :)
[21:36] <dwatkins> also, if anyone wants to be a DALEK... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-DALEK-SUIT-from-the-BBC-TV-serial-DR-WHO-/261154307591
[21:37] <skinofstars> it's odd. mouse works in usb3 port if it's booted with is plugged in
[21:38] <skinofstars> i might have to play around with different kernels to see if it's an upstream issue
[22:57] <Seeker`> ali1234, A sign appeared in the communal entrance to day 'is anyone having any problems with sky in this block?'
[22:59] <ali1234> so it's the distribution system?
[22:59] <ali1234> or did you put the sign up?
[22:59] <ali1234> when was the last time your nova-t worked?
[23:01] <Seeker`> I didn't put it up, someone else did
[23:01] <Seeker`> someone else wrote on the sign 'I do' (or words to that effect)
[23:01] <Seeker`> Friday
[23:05] <ali1234> so, seems like the distribution system has blown up then
[23:12] <Seeker`> possibly
[23:12] <Seeker`> weird that some TVs work though
[23:17] <StevenR> Seeker`: maybe there's a chain of distribution devices, and only one has blown up
[23:17] <ali1234> yeah
[23:17] <ali1234> i don't know how to explain that satellite and terrestrial both broke at the same time though
[23:27] <Seeker`> ali1234, I imagine they are both sent over one wire to the flat, and split out inside fo the flat
[23:27] <ali1234> could be
[23:28] <ali1234> the wall plate might just be two sockets on the same piece of wire
[23:28] <Seeker`> StevenR: I can run a TV through the socket that my Nova-T 500 can't get a singal through, and a 290e USB stick gets a singal from that socket too
[23:28] <Seeker`> it might be that there is an amplifer somewhere int he distribution chain that has blown up
[23:29] <daftykins> as far as i understood, dish feeds tend to carry voltage and standard aerials don't
[23:29] <ali1234> there's no reason the standard aerial doesn't
[23:30] <ali1234> mine does :)
[23:30] <ali1234> cos i have a masthead amp
[23:30] <ali1234> an LNB isn't really all that different
[23:30] <ali1234> but in any case, if the signal is being split out from a distributor then there won't be any DC on either socket
[23:31] <ali1234> anyway this speculation is pointless. call the super and get it fixed :)
[23:32] <ali1234> the wires around the building are probably enough to pick up a weak signal even if the main aerial is broken
[23:32] <ali1234> for terrestrial that is
[23:32] <ali1234> not for satellite obviously
[23:33] <ali1234> if you managed to get a signal with the mini aerial you must be quite close to the transmitter
[23:33] <Seeker`> yeah, not far
[23:33] <daftykins> Seeker`: was it you i was talking to that had a mythtv setup that suddenly lost all channels?
[23:34] <Seeker`> possibly
[23:39] <Seeker`> also, does anyone know where I put my signal booster?
[23:40] <daftykins> what's that GRUB boot fixing CD people often recommend?
[23:50] <ali1234> super grub rescue or something
[23:50] <ali1234> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[23:51] <daftykins> i figured it might be :) thanks ali1234
[23:51] <ali1234> honestly i just use ubuntu live cd usually
[23:51] <ali1234> and just reinstall grub from scratch
[23:54] <daftykins> yeah, it's for some guy helping his sister


[22:41] <nitus> hi all. quick question: network connection from android phone, usb tethering. I expected it would just work, as in windows. A bit surprised it doesn't. Solutions?