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[07:29] <Madpilot> eyequeue, ?
[07:29] <javad> I download the pakage of cross assembler compiler it has one file which name is install
[07:29] <eyequeue> (msg me about something privately please ops)
[07:29] <fabbione> what is the problem???
[07:29] <Gent> anyone know if there are any plans, ever, to change the default music player in ubuntu to banshee?
[07:29] <intelikey> javad sudo apt-get install one program
[07:29] <aloon> what do you do if you have no display menu in kde peripherals ? I cant set my display adapter
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> slimz: Yes, toggle with the spacebar, but in the column labeled '2'.
[07:29] <javad> but as I click on that file one terminal page is open
[07:29] <slimz> im getting spammed from Healot, asking me if i want to be an op in this channel to copy paste garbage code
[07:29] <Gent> or for that matter to include mono and some mono apps in general?
[07:30] <slimz> tonyyarusso: i'm toggling (2) on?
[07:30] <aloon> thx
[07:30] <spikeb> Gent, mono's already available
[07:30] <Gent> spike, i know it's available, I'm talking about putting it in the default install
[07:30] <Gent> and replacing rhythmbox with banshee
[07:31] <aloon> can anyone help me with a display problem?
[07:31] <spikeb> Gent, a good idea in the event that banshee actually freezes less than rhythmbox...whenever that happens.
[07:31] <nalioth> eyequeue: is the problem solved?
[07:31] <Gent> I see it the other way around
[07:31] <intelikey> Healot
[07:31] <Tomcat_> Gent: Is banshee a mono-app?
[07:31] <Gent> in fact, I can't get rhthymbox to import songs for a library over 5,000 or so
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> slimz: You wanted it off, right?  So remove the X.
[07:31] <Gent> banshee imported my friend's nearly 8,000 song library without a hitch
[07:31] <eyequeue> nalioth, yes, another of y'all is in msg with me, thank you
[07:31] <spikeb> Gent, oh rhythmbox is a buggy POS, yes.
[07:31] <spikeb> heh
[07:32] <spikeb> Gent, but it works better than banshee for me, at least on my ppc machine
[07:32] <Gent> I also have major issues with rhythmbox and iPods
[07:32] <Gent> no such problems with banshee
[07:32] <mikeo1> man this sucks, my download speed is stuck at 512kbits and my upload is at 7.5mbits
[07:32] <slavik> WE ROCK!!!
[07:32] <spikeb> Tom39Away, yeah it's a mono app
[07:32] <Gent> and that's across a number of systems that I've tried both on
[07:32] <No1Viking> NickGarvey, I wonder if there are any system folders to mount to besides /home
[07:32] <slavik> anyone read the slashdot article on ubuntu?
[07:32] <mikeo1> nope
[07:32] <spikeb> haven't been to slashdot yet today
[07:32] <mikeo1> i read the summary
[07:33] <mikeo1> and a few comments
[07:33] <Gent> slavik, it's what convinced me to come and join the channel
[07:33] <Gent> heheh
[07:33] <slavik> mikeo1: you can, if you have a good ISP
[07:33] <slavik> Gent: we shall brainwash you :P
[07:33] <Gent> brainwash me how?
[07:33] <slavik> mikeo1: get yourself a shotgun and hold someone hostage ...
[07:33] <mikeo1> and the download is so slowwwwwwwwwwww, but upload is insanely fast... lol
[07:33] <spikeb> branwash you into gooey gnomey goodness
[07:33] <aloon> whats the dapper drake channel?
[07:33] <slavik> mikeo1: wait, that's how you get killed
[07:33] <spikeb> er...branwash?
[07:33] <slavik> aloon: #ubuntu+1
[07:33] <spikeb> hmm
[07:33] <Madpilot> aloon, #ubuntu+1
[07:33] <mikeo1> my upload is going to waste lol
[07:33] <Gent> I already enjoy gnome
[07:34] <mikeo1> anyone use it with kde?
[07:34] <mikeo1> xgl
[07:34] <spikeb> Gent, me too :)
[07:34] <Gent> although i'd never use it on my primary desktop
[07:34] <aloon> thanks
[07:34] <slavik> mikeo1: gimmie ssh access to your box >:)
[07:34] <intelikey> most people should be brainwashed....  they have dirty minds....
[07:34] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <slavik> Gent: I am using it on my compaq laptop :)
[07:34] <spikeb> since gnome 1.0
[07:34] <mikeo1> my gnome broke itself so edited my compiz.sh file to startkde instead of the exec gnome-session
[07:34] <mikeo1> now the compiz works, but not with gnome anymore
[07:34] <Gent> slavik, I'll put ubuntu on any system except my primary desktop
[07:34] <WarOfAttrition> Could anyone tell me something about a gimp bug when using a tablet, where the drawing window gets 'stuck'? I've seen it around the forums, but I can't find the thread again.
[07:35] <Gent> it's the #1 distro I recommend to all my friends too
[07:35] <mikeo1> so anyone know of a way i could run a webserver off a static ip
[07:35] <slimz> ok also, the other problem i have is with the gnome deskbar, i installed it, but when i try to type in it, nothing happens, i dont get a cursor
[07:35] <spikeb> Gent, does your primary desktop happen to run one of the famous proprietary operating systems?
[07:35] <slavik> and top of distrowatch
[07:35] <mikeo1> with no access to a router
[07:35] <ubuntu> WarOfAttrition, try, running gimp on the terminal and look for the error,
[07:35] <aloon> how do you get 1440 X 900 display setting in kde? I have no menu called display in systemsttings
[07:35] <skpl> does anyone know where i can get the w32codecs for dapper?
[07:35] <slavik> WarOfAttrition: interesting bug
[07:35] <Gent> spikeb, no, unless slackware is a famou proprietary operating system
[07:35] <eyequeue> !w32codecs
[07:35] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:35] <spikeb> Gent, hehehehhe no, slackware sure isn't that.
[07:35] <slavik> aloon: ask in #kde or #kubuntu
[07:35] <intelikey> hehhe tonyyarusso i guess that sysv thing requires default runlevels...   tty1 [root#~]  sysv-rc-conf
[07:36] <blindx> Can't get device information: Success -- Warped sense of "success" if you ask me :\
[07:36] <eyequeue> skpl, ^^
[07:36] <spikeb> Gent, slackware is many things to many people, but proprietary ain't one of 'em
[07:36] <intelikey>  /usr/sbin/sysv-rc-conf: opendir //etc/rc2.d : No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/sysv-rc-conf line 419.
[07:36] <lgc> eyequeue, you back?
[07:36] <eyequeue> lgc, hello
[07:36] <Gent> yeah... some things will never change with me
[07:36] <Gent> I have a few other questions some of you may be able to answer...
[07:36] <lgc> eyequeue, what did you do to get kicked out of the bar?
[07:36] <Gent> related to ubuntu
[07:36] <Gent> of course
[07:36] <mikeo1> and anyone know whats up with kde crashing compiz all the time?
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: No, in the Ubuntu repos it runs by default with them  'man sys-rc-conf' and you can specify others I believe.
[07:36] <mikeo1> konqueror dies anytime i click the home icon
[07:36] <slavik> *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[07:36] <eyequeue> lgc, the bot automatically kicks with certain strings, someone tricked me into typing one of them
[07:37] <FlannelKing> Gent: just ask them! don't ask to ask, it just wastes ... um, whatever.
[07:37] <WarOfAttrition> I've tried the terminal before, it doesn't really say anything about it
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Wait, you don't even have a 2?
[07:37] <intelikey> tonyyarusso no.
[07:37] <Gent> Well, the first I may get flamed for, but I'll shoot anyway.  Does anyone know whether or not the new Novell menu with built in beagle search (the gnome applet) is available in dapper somewhere?
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: What do you have?
[07:37] <rlaager> Hi. I've done a fair amount of searching and I can't find the answer to my problem.... The clock is wrong when I'm not connected to the network (when I am, NTP fixes it). My TZ is GMT-0500, and my time is five hours too early. For example, it's 00:36 now, and the clock would show 19:36 if I wasn't connected to the network.
[07:37] <eyequeue> lgc, some nights "helpful" doesn't pay, heh
[07:37] <danielch> I have Ubuntu 5.10 and FC5 in my Toshiba TE2000 laptop, but Ubuntu sometimes freezes, FC5 doesn't. I have tried that booting with the option "nolapic noapic" and "acpi=off pci=noacpi", it seems better, but it still exists. However, FC4/5 works well using the default setting and the ACPI seems works. Anybody encountered that issue?
[07:37] <intelikey> tonyyarusso 01&6
[07:37] <lgc> eyequeue, you mean four-letter words, or something along those lines?
[07:37] <WarOfAttrition> ---------- the weird thing is that it's not always the same, does it sometimes, others not. And it only started when I raised the resolution of the screen. Right now, it's not doing it, later I'm sure it will again
[07:37] <rlaager> Gent: I believe it's call deskbar.
[07:37] <wood1700> hello
[07:37] <slavik> Gent: deskbar is avail in dapper, no?
[07:37] <spikeb> Gent, the menu, no. the applet, yes
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Wow.  Minimal are we?
[07:38] <mathew-ef> Has anybody got XP looking desktop, menus, icons in Ubuntu?
[07:38] <eyequeue> lgc, no, three letter (d c c)
[07:38] <rlaager> Gent: sudo apt-get install deskbar-applet
[07:38] <spikeb> mathew-ef, thankfully, no
[07:38] <mikeo1> xp sucks
[07:38] <Gent> the applet is the menu?
[07:38] <intelikey> tonyyarusso 1 is multi-user 0 is single and 6 is reboot
[07:38] <PuMpErNiCkEl> rlaager: Do you have a dual-boot system with windows on it?
[07:38] <WarOfAttrition> XP is ugly!
[07:38] <mikeo1> yeah
[07:38] <wood1700> I want to disable the module for my wireless card and use ndiswrapper - how do you disable modules from loading at boot? thanks.
[07:38] <intelikey> tonyyarusso i also have no password
[07:38] <WarOfAttrition> I use the gnome Glossy P theme and Noia icons
[07:38] <mikeo1> xp gives xgl a bad name, they should jsut call xp p
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: I suppose that's all that really gets used much anyway.
[07:38] <mikeo1> for pissysucks
[07:39] <rlaager> PuMpErNiCkEl: Nope. /etc/default/rcS has UTC=yes set. I previously had UTC=no set. I've tried it both ways, I've tried it both ways resetting the clock in between switches.
[07:39] <eyequeue> lgc, a while back there was an exploit, the bot was programmed to deal with it, i was unaware of any of it ... no big deal, now i know
[07:39] <blindx> heh, I cannot get this bluetooth to work.
[07:39] <lgc> eyequeue, you got me there. But I didn't know there was such etiquette. Is it posted somewhere?
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Wait, you don't have a password or you don't need to enter it?  (I thought Linux required them...please educate me.)
[07:39] <PuMpErNiCkEl> rlaager: odd
[07:39] <eyequeue> lgc, no, i think it is considered highly unlikely that someone will say the particular string, so no one worries about it
[07:39] <rlaager> PuMpErNiCkEl: "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart" yields "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" if that matters
[07:40] <slavik> the rm string?
[07:40] <intelikey> tonyyarusso yeah... i've set up sysv for as many as 13 runlevels  and as few as 2   this system has 3.    no passwd.  all accounts are locked.
[07:40] <eyequeue> slavik, nah, a router exploit, i guess
[07:40] <FlannelKing> lgc: it's d-- send  (s/-/c/g)
[07:40] <slavik> k
[07:40] <slavik> FlannelKing: trying to get someone to use dcc?
[07:40] <eyequeue> slavik, it caused some routers to blacklist freenode
[07:40] <intelikey> tonyyarusso it is impossable to login on this box,
[07:40] <slavik> rofl
[07:41] <lgc> eyequeue, so you can go berserk saying "f*ck" and the like without being punished?
[07:41] <FlannelKing> slavik: no. I'm informing them of the actual string.  since, there was confusion apparently.
[07:41] <Gent> ok, next question, does anyone have ubuntu on their iBook?
[07:41] <spikeb> no going berko
[07:41] <spikeb> Gent, i did when i had an ibook
[07:41] <danielch> I have Ubuntu 5.10 and FC5 in my Toshiba TE2000 laptop, but Ubuntu sometimes freezes, FC5 doesn't. I have tried that booting with the option "nolapic noapic" and "acpi=off pci=noacpi", it seems better, but it still exists. However, FC4/5 works well using the default setting and the ACPI seems works. Anybody encountered that issue?
[07:41] <cge> Gent: yes
[07:41] <slavik> *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual ... anyone know the problem? I have ati drivers installed and Direct Rendering ON.
[07:41] <eyequeue> lgc, no, that's handled via a different means :)  (humans)
[07:41] <Gent> did you have issues with the sound?
[07:41] <spikeb> i did not.
[07:41] <lgc> FlannelKing, thanks.
[07:41] <Gent> like was the volume not high enough? and was it crackly when it was?
[07:41] <cge> Gent: Are you using dapper?
[07:41] <OrTigaS> anyone can walk me through to resolve my network problem: i cant see/access them....
[07:41] <Gent> yes, via dist-upgrade
[07:41] <lgc> eyequeue, ...and their different moods!
[07:42] <slavik> danielch: I have to use noapic nolapic because otherwise my clock runs fast
[07:42] <cge> Gent: I believe there are known problems with iBook sound and dapper. You might want to look around.
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: So how's that work?
[07:42] <cge> Gent: But I thought the problem was no sound at all.
[07:42] <rlaager> PuMpErNiCkEl: Hmm, "hwclock --directisa" doesn't show an error, where "hwclock" does.
[07:42] <danielch> slavik, your laptop can get reboot?
[07:43] <Gent> cge, it was worse under breezy
[07:43] <intelikey> tonyyarusso wondered how long that would take :)      it works pretty good actually.
[07:43] <trunks> Hi- I've installed ubuntu successfully, but when it was configuring packages it locked up around 85% and i had to reboot.  Is there a command so i can resume configuring where it left off?
[07:43] <eyequeue> trunks, dpkg --configure -a
[07:43] <eyequeue> trunks, sudo in front of that of course
[07:43] <trunks> ok
[07:43] <cge> Gent: I would look into it, but I had to cut the wires to my iBook's speakers since there was some strange bug where every few days on coming out of suspend the laptop would freeze and make a LOUD squeal. Not too fun when one is in a library...
[07:43] <trunks> thanks
[07:43] <blindx> Anyone in here pretty good with bluetooth? I can't seem to get mine to work..
[07:43] <PuMpErNiCkEl> rlaager: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2005-04/4968.html seems to agree with you, at first glance
[07:43] <trunks> will that make sure it hasnt skipped anything?
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: OKay, are you saying this box is never shut down, and if it did, would be dead?
[07:44] <cge> Gent: but I don't remember the sound ever being very good under OS X or Debian or Ubuntu.
[07:44] <intelikey> tonyyarusso i have sysv open a root and a user consoles  and start X as root and connect the user to X (two steps because i mount nosuid, thus user can't start X)
[07:44] <eyequeue> trunks, yes, that will "clean up" everything that is partially done, then you can rerun the original command (sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or whatever)
[07:44] <trunks> eyequeue: cool thanks
[07:44] <slavik> danielch: huh?
[07:44] <OrTigaS> anyone can walk me through to resolve my network problem: i cant see/access them....
[07:45] <rlaager> PuMpErNiCkEl: I wonder if there's a way to detect that failure and fall back to using --directisa. Since I don't really know what that means, I suppose I'll just file a bug against hwclock.
[07:45] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: access what?
[07:45] <intelikey> tonyyarusso i reboot each day.
[07:45] <eyequeue> trunks, no prob, and welcome to ubuntu
[07:45] <slavik> danielch: the clock (time) runs fast withoug noapic nolapic options ...
[07:45] <Thinjon100> OK... I just finished downloading the Ubuntu AMD64 DVD... I'm hesitant now to install, since it crashed just trying to load up Live... :(
[07:45] <OrTigaS> window machine fyrestrtr
[07:45] <slavik> Thinjon100: how did it crash?
[07:45] <trunks> eyequeue: I was turned on to it because my laptop's integrated wireless worked perfectly in the ubuntu live cd
[07:45] <danielch> slavik, you use a desktop or laptop?
[07:45] <OrTigaS> it work once but now it wont show the window machine to this box
[07:45] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: you are chatting from your ubuntu box?
[07:45] <lgc> eyequeue, so I can go catch a few Z's, first "dpkg --get-selections>pkglist", then "apt-get update", then "apt-get dist-upgrade -d", then "apt-get dist-upgrade", and "voil!"?
[07:45] <OrTigaS> i can ping them
[07:45] <slavik> danielch: laptop
[07:46] <OrTigaS> fyrestrtr, yes
[07:46] <eyequeue> trunks, yeah, that's so sweet isn't it?  i was impressed by that myself, back then
[07:46] <OrTigaS> why?
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: I'm lost.  How login with locked accounts?
[07:46] <Thinjon100> it got to what appeared to be a rectangular splash screen in the center of the monitor (image was horribly grabled)... mosue worked for a moment, then system completely locked up
[07:46] <spikeb> heh
[07:46] <intelikey> i don't login.
[07:46] <intelikey> i can't login.
[07:46] <slavik> Thinjon100: burn a knoppix cd just in case
[07:46] <intelikey> no one can login on this box.
[07:46] <eyequeue> lgc, yeah, do that -d before you catch the zs of course, then the lst one when you're all ready with a fresh cuppa coffee :)
[07:46] <danielch> I have Ubuntu 5.10 and FC5 in my Toshiba TE2000 laptop, but Ubuntu sometimes freezes, FC5 doesn't. I have tried that booting with the option "nolapic noapic" and "acpi=off pci=noacpi", it seems better, but it still exists. However, FC4/5 works well using the default setting and the ACPI seems works. Anybody encountered that issue?
[07:46] <Gent> ok... last but not least... is there any way to get wmv or other support usually through binary codecs on PPC?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Then what happens between boot and usage?
[07:47] <intelikey> tonyyarusso this in in an init script.
[07:47] <sethk> intelikey, well, _somebody can
[07:47] <intelikey> su - root "openvt -fc 5 -- X :0 2>/dev/null " 2>/dev/null &
[07:47] <intelikey> sleep 23
[07:47] <Thinjon100> I'm trying to find any distro that will work reliably with my AMD64 :(   ...and USES 64-bit
[07:47] <eyequeue> lgc, i don't know if the order matters, but i've always seen it as "apt-get -d dist-upgrade"
[07:47] <OrTigaS> anyone have an idea?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Oh.
[07:47] <spikeb> Gent, some codecs, but most of them you have to rely on open source implementations
[07:47] <intelikey> su - $USER ". .Xsession 2>/dev/null " 2>/dev/null
[07:47] <disco_stu> how do I install .deb files in Ubuntu????
[07:47] <trunks> Getting quite a weird error now.. "cpufreq: change failed with new_state 1 and result 0"
[07:47] <slavik> Thinjon100: knoppix is a backup ... keep it around anyway
[07:47] <UbuntuNewbie> hello everyone
[07:47] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: okay, try this
[07:47] <eyequeue> disco_stu, dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:48] <intelikey> there is more to it than that tonyyarusso but that should give you the basic idea.
[07:48] <disco_stu> thx
[07:48] <Gent> I use the gnu flash implementation... and that is crap
[07:48] <rlaager> With dpkg, how can I find out which package owns a given file?
[07:48] <UbuntuNewbie> i have a question about mysql package
[07:48] <spikeb> Gent, ugh, yes it is
[07:48] <Thinjon100> Knoppix... another distro to try?  (That'll be the third in 2 days)
[07:48] <spikeb> Gent, there's swfdec
[07:48] <spikeb> Gent, which is less crap, but not much
[07:48] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: open up a command prompt, and type smbclient -L \\windowspcname -- if your windows computer is called box1, it would be smbclient -L \\box1
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Yeah, I know how it's possible anyway.
[07:48] <slavik> Thinjon100: it is a livecd distro
[07:48] <UbuntuNewbie> i see two package mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1
[07:48] <slavik> Thinjon100: I had to use it to get ubuntu working properly mid install
[07:48] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: it will ask for a password, just hit enter
[07:49] <UbuntuNewbie> mysql-server has a ubuntu icon next to it
[07:49] <Madpilot> !tell UbuntuNewbie about lamp
[07:49] <spikeb> Gent, there's a project called gnash out there that's already further than any other OSS flash project, i'm looking forward to a stable release
[07:49] <UbuntuNewbie> what does the icon mean
[07:49] <danielch> anybody can browse "www.honda.ca" with firefox in Ubuntu?
[07:49] <disco_stu> it wont install - is there anybody I can PM with the message - I dont want to post it in the main board
[07:49] <Madpilot> UbuntuNewbie, the bot just sent you a pm for installing MySQL
[07:49] <fyrestrtr> UbuntuNewbie: means its part of the official ubuntu repository
[07:49] <Madpilot> disco_stu, pastebin
[07:49] <lgc> eyequeue, I thought I should do the "dpkg --get-selections" first in order to somehow safeguard the integrity of my Hoary install...
[07:49] <eyequeue> rlaager, dpkg -S path/to/file/name
[07:49] <OrTigaS> smbclient -L localhost <-- i tried this but it say nt_logon_status_failed
[07:49] <OrTigaS> ok i'll try that
[07:49] <Thinjon100> Well, I want to install a distro... and SuSE and Ubuntu were both recommended... I'm jsut wondering if anyone might have a clue as to why any time I try to install, my system hangs (has occured with both Ubuntu and SuSE's latest 64-bit releases)
[07:49] <intelikey> yeah i ask all over freenode and efnet for a way to make init login a console user.... no one seemed to know, or care to tell me.  so i made my own way.
[07:49] <eyequeue> lgc, sure, that can't hurt
[07:49] <intelikey> tonyyarusso ^
[07:49] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: you have to browse a windows PC name
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Could I pm you about something fishy-looking briefly?  (Or you can join my channel if you prefer.)
[07:50] <slavik> Thinjon100: amd64?
[07:50] <spikeb> Thinjon100, hardware support for your system (at least in 64bit mode) is buggy it sounds like
[07:50] <blindx> danielch: loading....... loaded.
[07:50] <fyrestrtr> Thinjon100: what kind of processor?
[07:50] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, pm me
[07:50] <eyequeue> lgc, i just meant that dist-upgrade might need the -d switch *before* it
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Not common, that's for sure.
[07:50] <Thinjon100> Yes, Athlon64 3500+
[07:50] <slavik> hmm
[07:50] <disco_stu> no usr with that name
[07:50] <Gent> ok, switching over to my ibook to talk, brb
[07:50] <spikeb> k
[07:50] <danielch> blindx, honda.ca seems using a flash8.
[07:50] <fyrestrtr> Thinjon100: have you tried the AMD_64 livecd?
[07:51] <spikeb> isn't there a flash 8.5 beta for linux yet?
[07:51] <blindx> danielch: alright..?
[07:51] <slavik> *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual ... anyone know the problem? I have ati drivers installed and Direct Rendering ON.
[07:51] <Thinjon100> I downloaded the AMD64 DVD... it has teh isntalelr and the Live CD on it... I booted to the live CD to test... that's when it crashed
[07:51] <lgc> eyequeue, I got your point with the "-d", thanks.
[07:51] <Thinjon100> hence my hesitance to attempt installation without some guidance
[07:51] <intelikey> tonyyarusso that's really why i like linux so much.    you don't have to do anything the ####-#### way... :)
[07:51] <eyequeue> lgc, good luck
[07:51] <fyrestrtr> Thinjon100: what do you mean exactly when you say crashed?
[07:52] <danielch> blindx, but there is no a flash8 for Linux.
[07:52] <disco_stu> andrew@ubuntu:~/Desktop/Andrew$ sudo dpkg -i nerolinux-<IP_ADDRESS>-x86.deb
[07:52] <disco_stu> Password:
[07:52] <disco_stu> (Reading database ... 73858 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:52] <disco_stu> Preparing to replace nerolinux <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (using nerolinux-<IP_ADDRESS>-x86.deb) ...
[07:52] <disco_stu> Unpacking replacement nerolinux ...
[07:52] <disco_stu> Setting up nerolinux (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) ...
[07:52] <disco_stu> Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux version testing/unstable
[07:52] <disco_stu> andrew@ubuntu:~/Desktop/Andrew$
[07:52] <blindx> danielch: then how is it loading?
[07:52] <blindx> !tell disco_stu about pastebin
[07:52] <Thinjon100> fyrestrtr... it got to what appeared to be a rectangular splash screen (the image was garbled), the mouse worked momentarily, then the entire system locked up
[07:53] <danielch> bindx, I think we have to wait macromedia release the version.
[07:53] <fyrestrtr> Thinjon100: hrmm, okay -- have you tried booting it without the graphical installer? I forgot the exact boot line for it, but it is there.
[07:53] <blindx> danielch: but it loads for me?
[07:53] <gent_> ok....
[07:53] <OrTigaS> fyrestrtr,  i saw something
[07:53] <intelikey> disco_stu why are we blessed with the flood ?    no errors there ?
[07:53] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: what?
[07:53] <skpl> is there any way to play .wma file in linux?
[07:53] <lgc> eyequeue, perhaps you already told me, but what's the link between "dpkg" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[07:53] <danielch> blindx, can you see the flash on honda.ca?
[07:53] <fyrestrtr> !tell skpl about RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <blindx> danielch, yes
[07:54] <OrTigaS> u ask me to type the smbclient -L \\computername
[07:54] <AngryElf> isn't # a comment in a shell script?
[07:54] <OrTigaS> and it show something, i cant paste it here
[07:54] <disco_stu> Cuz im sooo awesome!!!! (bless me - Im a windows usr - trying to switch)
[07:54] <danielch> blindx, what plugin are you using?
[07:54] <skpl> can someone help me? im having trouble playing a video at this url: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=635398409&n=2&Mytoken=158F6BDE-113C-CD5A-32151569C04BA52722306663
[07:54] <lgc> eyequeue, maybe that's a very stupid question...(blush).
[07:54] <eyequeue> lgc, dpkg is a lower-level tool, apt-get is a little closer to the user, less brute-force ... apt-get fetches and then calls dpkg -i behind the scenes (as well as does many other things)
[07:54] <skpl> i need to know what plugins or players to install so i can watch it
[07:54] <blindx> danielch, i have no clue. :x
[07:55] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: can you see the shares on your windows machine?
[07:55] <lgc> eyequeue, that's an excellent answer!
[07:55] <Thinjon100> I'll try running the installer and see if I get different results installing than running LiveCD...   are there perhaps some issues with ym video card? (every time I've had an installation crash it was in a GUI)... GeForce 7800GT PCI-E
[07:55] <eyequeue> lgc, no, it's a very good question, not one most new users would think of until much later
[07:55] <OrTigaS> yes fyrestrtr
[07:55] <intelikey> talk about a place for "http://tinyurl.com"
[07:55] <danielch> blindx, can you look at your /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?
[07:55] <skpl> intelikey, that's what xchat is for
[07:56] <jack-> dpkg without apt would be a real pita
[07:56] <blindx> danielch, only thing in there is libjavaplugin_oji.so
[07:56] <jack-> for the normal user, dpkg is useful very rarely
[07:56] <fyrestrtr> OrTigaS: okay this means, you and your Windows machine can browse each other (there are no problems with the connection). What are you trying to do? Copy files from your Windows machine?
[07:56] <intelikey> skpl seeing that i don't use it, i missed the connection ?
[07:56] <disco_stu> What is a repositiory?
[07:56] <Thinjon100> ok... going to attempt installation again... have a feeling I'll be back soon, though :(
[07:57] <intelikey> !repos
[07:57] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:57] <skpl> intelikey, url grabber
[07:57] <fyrestrtr> disco_stu: a collection of programs that is given a common name.
[07:57] <lgc> eyequeue, you playing ball with me? :)
[07:57] <UbuntuNewbie> do i need to worry about making sure i have the latest firefox version
[07:57] <eyequeue> disco_stu, a collection of .deb files, with special "helper" files as well
[07:57] <intelikey> skpl it auto tiny those things ?
[07:57] <eyequeue> heh
[07:57] <danielch> blindx, could you "find / -name libflashplayer.so -print" ?
[07:57] <OrTigaS> fyrestrtr,  browse thru the places--> network server--=> then click the window network
[07:57] <skpl> intelikey, it do
[07:57] <intelikey> kewL
[07:58] <disco_stu> Why don't synaptic packages add to the app'z menu?
[07:58] <OrTigaS> i cant other windows box
[07:58] <Gent_> hrm... I suppose one more question
[07:58] <disco_stu> How do I do that if they dont?
[07:58] <nubee> eyequeue, any hints on dh_make and naming cvs versions?
[07:58] <Gent_> is there any plan to replace the ugly ass battery icon on notebooks?
[07:58] <Gcastin> any body know if there's new family guy epidodes comming?
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> skpl: As in registering with the tinyURL server so it works for all, or internally?
[07:58] <eyequeue> disco_stu, you may need to run "ki;;a;; gnome-panel" or relogin before you see them in the menus
[07:58] <tim_> what is the best way to learn linux
[07:58] <skpl> tonyyarusso, i have no idea, i just know you can click it and it opens up in your browser
[07:58] <skpl> no need for tinyurl
[07:58] <Gent_> tim_ use it
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> skpl: Ah, okay.
[07:59] <skpl> unless you believe in cyberspace polution
[07:59] <Madpilot> tim_, break it then fix it :P (joking, mostly...)
[07:59] <eyequeue> nubee, let me think of a good place to refer you, i usually look up examples when i need to do that
[07:59] <Gent_> I've been using linux far too long
[07:59] <blindx> danielch, /home/blind/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[07:59] <eyequeue> nubee, actually, here's a command i'd use :))
[07:59] <Gent_> :(
[07:59] <danielch> thanks, blindx
[07:59] <skpl> can someone tell me how to convert .wma to .mp3 in ubuntu?
[08:00] <nubee> eyequeue, it's sweet ijust mv'd the alsa-driver dir to alsadrivercvs.18.04.2006 :)
[08:00] <eyequeue> nubee, dpkg -l | grep cvs | less ... see what format other maintainers use, then try to conform to it, they probably have good practice
[08:00] <danielch> blindx, can you tell what size "libflashplayer.so" is?
[08:00] <nubee> ah
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> tim_: Check out any of the numerous tutorials online, wander the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ , sit back and watch here, along with asking your own questions when they come up, and honestly, I broke stuff and fixed it too ;)
[08:00] <bcc> is there a way to trace what commands some process is calling?
[08:00] <nubee> eyequeue, well i'm not planning on distributing this...
[08:00] <eyequeue> nubee, packagename_ver*.deb though
[08:00] <tim_> thank you
[08:01] <ems> hi
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> tim_: Generally, if you just start using it, you will learn the things that are useful to you over time out of necessity.
[08:01] <eyequeue> nubee, if you want cvs as part of the name, put it before the _
[08:01] <blindx> danielch, 2 megs
[08:01] <ems> who is pasting crap?
[08:01] <ems> I want to kick his ass
[08:01] <iceman> !sources
[08:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:01] <danielch> blindx, 2154768?
[08:01] <skpl> can someone tell me how to convert .wma to .mp3 in ubuntu?
[08:01] <Madpilot> ems, did you get pm'd with some "to be an op in #ubuntu" garbage?
[08:02] <rlaager> skpl: You'd lose quality in that transformation.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> skpl: Probably with mencoder with w32codecs, but I haven't done it myself.
[08:02] <skpl> theb bleh
[08:02] <blindx> i don't know, danielch.. i just right clicked. I don't know how to do it via console.
[08:02] <ems> skpl: I can tell you how in Plan 9
[08:02] <eyequeue> nubee, you went from new to building debs in one night, i'm impressed :)
[08:02] <nubee> dpkg-deb: building package `alsa.driver' in `../alsa.driver_cvs.18.04.2006_i386.deb w00t!
[08:02] <ems> Madpilot: no
[08:02] <lgc> eyequeue, I'm on it: "-d dist-upgrade". Can I go to bed now?
[08:02] <Madpilot> ems, um, so why the "who is pasting cr*p?" comment?
[08:03] <eyequeue> lgc, yes, and i think i'll, um, do the same here, heh
[08:03] <lgc> eyequeue, where are you?
[08:03] <danielch> blindx, just run "ls -l libflashplayer.so" in console.
[08:03] <blindx> 2096844
[08:03] <eyequeue> lgc, btw, if you like, you can even run the other command without the -d while totally offline, later :)
[08:04] <ems> Madpilot: someone was talking about it
[08:04] <eyequeue> lgc, ny.us here, and you?
[08:04] <blindx> Daniel, do you want it? :P I'm sure I could DCC it to you
[08:04] <danielch> blindx, thanks, I'll try it.
[08:04] <mlowe> what is program that will restart process when it exits ?
[08:04] <lgc> eyequeue, I'm in Mexico City, MX.
[08:05] <Gent_> yay Zapatistas!
[08:05] <Gent_> hehe
[08:05] <slavik> mlowe: windows?
[08:05] <danielch> blindx, thanks, I mean that I will copy libflashplayer.so to .mozilla.
[08:05] <kef> Question:  I've turned my sensitivity in the gnome preferences down to 0, but my mouse sensitivity is still wayyyy too high.  how can i make it lower?  I am using a laptop touchpad
[08:05] <lgc> Gent_, no sh*t!
[08:06] <slavik> kef: you arelooking for accelaration, not sensitivity :)
[08:06] <OrTigaS> hi! i want to browse folder in windows machine to thix ubuntu box, but i cant see them in Places--->NetworkServers---
[08:06] <kef> slavik, i've turned both to 0 and its still way too high on the laptop
[08:07] <eyequeue> lgc, ah, a little bit later there than here, but ... buenos noches
[08:07] <slavik> hmm, don't move your finger too fast?
[08:07] <slavik> kef: I dunno what to say
[08:07] <kef> slavik, nah i've used windows on this laptop for years and im doing it the same way
[08:07] <Gent_> dapper on the iBook was horrid with the touchpad
[08:07] <kef> slavik, theres no command for it?
[08:07] <spikeb> zapatistas in mexico city? woo
[08:07] <Gent_> even if you changed the settings in gnome it wouldn't do anything for the actual touchpad settings
[08:07] <slavik> kef: no ...
[08:07] <kef> Hummm..
[08:08] <lgc> eyequeue, it's the other way around! It's 1 a.m. now here!
[08:08] <eyequeue> lgc, ah, and 2 here
[08:08] <nubee> eyequeue, well hell, dpkg is a little easier to get the head around than rpm :)
[08:09] <danielch> blindx, I can see the homepage of honda.ca now, but can you see the "Automative"?
[08:09] <eyequeue> nubee, yes, and deb will differ from rpm, but hey, we like it better :)
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> kef: I think Dapper has better touchpad configuration if memory from what I've heard serves right.  I don't know how to change that on mine either.
[08:10] <lgc> eyequeue, yup! Anyway, it's time to hit the pillow! I thank you very much for your help in the hope of a future "rendez-vous" on the same channel...
[08:10] <eyequeue> lgc, take care, see you manana :)
[08:10] <blindx> danielch, CLICK automotive, or see it?
[08:10] <spoon> anyone in here installed Cinelerra "video editing software" in ubuntu 5.10
[08:11] <danielch> Can anybody see the "www.honda.ca" -> Automative page?
[08:11] <lgc> eyequeue, hasta luego y gracias.
[08:11] <blindx> danielch, it looks like it's trying to load.
[08:11] <slavik> intelikey: did you try to update urpmi?
[08:11] <danielch> blindx, it shows we have to update the flash version.
[08:12] <kef> tonyyarusso, whats Dapper?
[08:12] <Marineboy> !partition
[08:12] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Marineboy
[08:12] <slavik> !dapper
[08:12] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[08:12] <blindx> Doesn't tell me that, danielch
[08:12] <intelikey> slavik no i don't need to.
[08:12] <intelikey> danielch    Honda developed the FCX fuel
[08:12] <intelikey>  Civic Sedan, Civic Si Coupe
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Apparently not.
[08:12] <Gent_> they should have released it June 6th
[08:12] <intelikey> yep i see it.
[08:13] <Gent_> restart required, brb
[08:13] <OrTigaS> smbclient -L \\windowPCname  and it works
[08:13] <danielch> intelikey, what does FCX fuel mean?
[08:13] <OrTigaS> but i cant see them in "Places-NetworkServers"
[08:13] <slavik> intelikey: use urpmi to update itself... >:)
[08:13] <OrTigaS> any idea why
[08:13] <intelikey> danielch it's just a cp/paste from that page...
[08:14] <danielch> intelikey, you can see it?
[08:15] <danielch> intelikey, what is your flash plugin version?
[08:15] <intelikey> Honda developed the FCX fuel cell vehicle as an integral way to reduce our global dependence on oil. Propelled by electricity that is generated by a hydrogen-oxygen chemical reaction, the FCX fuel cell.....
[08:15] <skpl> does anyone here use soundconverter?
[08:15] <intelikey> danielch i don't do flash
[08:16] <danielch> intelikey, I just config firefox.
[08:16] <kef> now my mouse has stopped moving entirely.  @_@
[08:16] <intelikey> danielch i don't do ff either.
[08:17] <danielch> intelikey, sorry
[08:17] <intelikey> i opened that page in links2 -g
[08:17] <danielch> intelikey, what do you do for work?
[08:17] <danielch> sysadmin?
[08:17] <danielch> I have Ubuntu 5.10 and FC5 in my Toshiba TE2000 laptop, but Ubuntu sometimes freezes, FC5 doesn't. I have tried that booting with the option "nolapic noapic" and "acpi=off pci=noacpi", it seems better, but it still exists. However, FC4/5 works well using the default setting and the ACPI seems works. Anybody encountered that issue?
[08:18] <intelikey> danielch i'm not a professional tech.   no certs.
[08:19] <danielch> intelikey, links2 is cool, it can interpret frame.
[08:19] <slavik> intelikey: paper cert?
[08:19] <intelikey> no training at all.   in fact a high school drop out....
[08:19] <UbuntuNewbie> can some1 please explain difference between localhost and hostname
[08:19] <intelikey> danielch yes it does graphics.
[08:19] <danielch> intelikey, many people like you.
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Try searching the bugs on launchpad.net under Ubuntu, and if you don't find anything similar, report it.
[08:19] <intelikey> really ?
[08:20] <danielch> tonyyarusso, I have tried for a long time, but I can't get.
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Can't get what?
[08:20] <intelikey> it's probably flash8  that the page is using....   i dont like flash.
[08:21] <danielch> tonyyarusso, can't get the answer.
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Ah.  Was it at least confirmed by anyone?
[08:21] <slaterock> Help for the love of god!
[08:21] <UbuntuNewbie> Can someone please tell me the difference between localhost and hostname
[08:21] <slaterock> i can not install fglrx!
[08:22] <slaterock> i've gone through about every forum topic on it
[08:22] <iceman> god i need a linux god ... how to get a linux distro, up to dat that will run from umsdos ... :(
[08:22] <slaterock> and can't figure it out
[08:22] <slavik> slaterock: ati? or nvidia?
[08:22] <slaterock> ati
[08:22] <danielch> tonyyarusso, I don't think so, it seems that issue is only for me ;)
[08:22] <slavik> slaterock: you're in luck
[08:22] <intelikey> UbuntuNewbie localhost is your box.   hostname is an app that can set or get the name of localhost.
[08:22] <slaterock> :)
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> slaterock: How 'bout the wiki?
[08:22] <slaterock> i like luck
[08:22] <slavik> slaterock: dl the driver from ati's site
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Darn.
[08:23] <slaterock> the whole installer?
[08:23] <farous> was wondering where i can download the latest mplayer mozilla-plugin from running breezy here. Is there a development site for this package?
[08:23] <danielch> tonyyarusso, what do you mean by the term of Darn?
[08:23] <student> lk;kl
[08:23] <student> l]
[08:23] <student> lk
[08:23] <student> ll
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[08:23] <student> ll
[08:24] <student> ll
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[08:24] <UbuntuNewbie> im setting password for MySQL so i have to set two password for root for the localhost and hostname
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> danielch: Sounds like you're sort of out of luck for the time being.
[08:24] <slavik> !ops
[08:24] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, fabbione, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> stgraber: Knock it off.
[08:24] <intelikey> good by student.
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> stgraber: Sorry!
[08:24] <brownie17> can anyone tell me how i can automatically run a command when the computer starts up?
[08:24] <fogos> hi... i have a trouble with the sound. the sound works only throw the jack headphones, no by the speakers, its a intel hd on inspiron 6400
[08:24] <Madpilot> too late - he already left... :P
[08:24] <slaterock> slavik?
[08:24] <fabbione> oh god
[08:24] <slavik> slaterock: got the file?
[08:24] <fabbione> can somebody please remove my name from the ops list for this channel?
[08:24] <slaterock> i need the .run file, correct?
[08:25] <slavik> yes
[08:25] <Madpilot> fabbione, yeah - you not an op anymore?
[08:25] <stjepan> hi
[08:25] <intelikey> brownie17 put the cammand in an init script.    preferably  /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[08:25] <stjepan> how to downgrade from dapper to breezy?
[08:25] <slavik> slaterock: once downloaded, make it executable
[08:25] <fabbione> Madpilot: yes i am an op, but people overabuse that thingy and it's damn distracting
[08:25] <slavik> stjepan: clean install, I think
[08:25] <slaterock> chmod something, right?
[08:25] <slavik> slaterock: yes
[08:25] <Madpilot> fabbione, np - I'll edit the bot's entry
[08:25] <slavik> slaterock: cdmod +x at-file-name.run
[08:26] <fabbione> Madpilot: thanks
[08:26] <slaterock> slavik, if you can get this working for me, i will be so happy
[08:26] <alex__> slavik, aren't you a russian-speaking?
[08:26] <slavik> alex__: very :)
[08:26] <slaterock> it's the only thing standing in my way from believing that ubuntu is king
[08:26] <slavik> slaterock: made it executable?
[08:26] <alex__> ochen' rad
[08:26] <slavik> heh
[08:26] <slaterock> sorry, still downloading
[08:26] <alex__> ^))
[08:27] <brownie17> intelikey, is that just a file i can edit in gedit?
[08:27] <slavik> I'd sit in #ubuntu-ru ... but I don't like the russians who think their english is better than mine
[08:27] <slavik> from rusnet tried
[08:27] <intelikey> brownie17 yes... as root
[08:27] <slavik> now I know why americans want to nuke russian
[08:27] <slavik> anyway
[08:27] <alex__> lol
[08:27] <stjepan> slavik: no, I upgraded from hoary to breezy and then to dapper.... now I want breezy back
[08:27] <slaterock> i likes dapper
[08:28] <intelikey> slavik ......   we don't...
[08:28] <slavik> intelikey: who is 'we'?
[08:28] <jack-> apt-get dist-downgrade
[08:28] <jack-> ;p
[08:28] <slaterock> lol
[08:28] <slaterock> they need an apt-get repair computer
[08:28] <pI05>  how to change encoding in ubuntu to latin2?
[08:28] <slavik> slaterock: are you on dapper atm?
[08:28] <slaterock> slav: yeah
[08:29] <slavik> intelikey: shut up you democratic noballs hippy ...
[08:29] <slavik> NUKE THEM!!!
[08:29] <brownie17> intelikey, if i just put it in the file before the word exit, will it run it? do i need to use sudo in there? or does the whole script run as root?
[08:29] <slavik> slaterock: I got it running on breezy, so don't expect much
[08:29] <slavik> slaterock: what module is xserver using now?
[08:29] <intelikey> slavik hehhe i'm not a democrat i'll have you to know.
[08:29] <slaterock> .....?
[08:29] <slaterock> what modulel...
[08:29] <slaterock> id on't know.
[08:30] <slavik> slaterock: in terminal, do "gedit /etc/X11/xorg.config"
[08:30] <intelikey> brownie17 yes it will run it. and no init is super-root
[08:30] <slavik> if it gives you about not finding a file, browse to it through nautilus
[08:30] <alexnicol> Can any one help me with Qt?
[08:30] <pI05>  how to change encoding in ubuntu to latin2?
[08:30] <slavik> alex___: you live in brooklyn?
[08:30] <alexnicol> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:30] <slaterock> k, loaded it
[08:31] <alex___> Okay, i'm trying to play a dvd and apparently its encrypted, i have the DeCSS crap but that seems very complicated, is there a certain player that will just view this DVD for me?
[08:31] <slavik> ahh, alexnicol you need the dev libraries
[08:31] <slaterock> what am i looking for here?
[08:31] <alexnicol> I get that error message when trying to install kooling.  But I have Qt Version 4 installed, and I can load it to the desktop without issues
[08:31] <Hoxzer> Somebody here knows how to configure TS to use ALsa?
[08:31] <slavik> open sunaptic and search for libqt
[08:31] <slaterock> me or alex?
[08:31] <brownie17> intelikey, i was putting in the command "hdparm -d1 hdc" because for some reason dma would not boot on
[08:31] <intelikey> pl05  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale   iirc
[08:31] <slavik> slaterock: alex
[08:31] <slavik> slaterock: scroll to bottom of the file
[08:31] <intelikey> brownie17 that should work.
[08:32] <slavik> then go above the section with resolutions and bit depths
[08:32] <pI05> i am trying to compile latex document and i get a few problems with encoding, where can i check what my default encoding is?
[08:32] <slaterock> k
[08:32] <slavik> slaterock: look at the section saying something about "Device"
[08:32] <slavik> there will be a line with the word Driver
[08:32] <slaterock> yeah, driver says "fglrx"
[08:32] <slavik> I see
[08:32] <slavik> go to terminal and do "glxinfo | grep direct"
[08:33] <intelikey> pI05 /etc/locale*
[08:33] <brownie17> intelikey, thanks for the help, i'll go test it now. i could turn DMA on using that command, but the guide ubotu gave me to turn DMA on at boot time didn't work. it involved adding something the the hdparm script.
[08:33] <slavik> slaterock: that will print 1 line, tell me what it says
[08:33] <slaterock> mesa glx  Indierect
[08:33] <slavik> hmm
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> Where is the network boot script ?
[08:33] <slavik> hold on
[08:33] <slaterock> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:33] <slaterock> that's the whole line
[08:33] <TraceGreen> Hello, Does kernel 2.6.11 need modprobe.conf?
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> /etc/network/interfaces ?
[08:34] <intelikey> |lostbyte| /etc/init.d/
[08:34] <slaterock> and above it, says no direct rendering
[08:34] <slavik> hmm
[08:34] <TraceGreen> or, the older version of modprobe use modprobe.conf but the newer one don't use it?
[08:34] <cgray> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu with / on a usb disk?
[08:34] <pI05> intelikey: is it one file?
[08:34] <slavik> gimmie a sec
[08:34] <slaterock> k
[08:34] <intelikey> |lostbyte| boot script ?   init script ?     /etc/init.d/network*
[08:35] <intelikey> pI05 one of the three... hehhe  cat /etc/locale*
[08:36] <pI05> intelikey: but how to set default encoding there?
[08:36] <slavik> alexnicol: what am I helping you with again?
[08:36] <alexnicol> lol - Qt >=3.0
[08:36] <slavik> oh, right
[08:36] <slavik> alexnicol: what's the error again?
[08:36] <alexnicol> You said to install the headers.  I installed the following:
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> intelikey: I want to know, which file at boot tell's my interfaces to come up ?
[08:37] <slavik> slaterock: run the ati file and select "create distribution specific package" or w/e it is
[08:37] <slavik> slaterock: the one that is NOT install
[08:37] <slaterock> k
[08:37] <slavik> slaterock: it will produce a .dep file
[08:37] <intelikey> pI05 it seems to be the last line that  cat /etc/locale*   gives....  but i told you   sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale   is the correct way to set that.
[08:38] <pI05> intelikey: great thnx
[08:38] <intelikey> |lostbyte| /etc/init.d/networking
[08:38] <alexnicol> compat-headers: Headers: il8n: mt: mt-ibase: mt-SQL: mt-PSQL: mt-sqlite and libqt4-core
[08:38] <slavik> slaterock: in terminal do "dpkg -i file-generated-by-ati.dep"
[08:38] <alexnicol> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:38] <ems> yay Plan 9
[08:38] <alexnicol> is the error
[08:38] <slavik> alexnicol: did you install libqt?
[08:38] <dooglus> |lostbyte|: look for the 'auto' line in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:38] <slaterock> weird, it couln't run the file
[08:38] <slaterock> said
[08:39] <slaterock> detected version of X does not have a matching 'x700' directory
[08:39] <skpl> can someone tell me why i am unable to connect to dalnet servers?
[08:39] <slavik> hmm
[08:39] <tanlaan> yo all
[08:40] <slaterock> i run the file this way, right?
[08:40] <slavik> skpl: dalnet == dalsplit
[08:40] <slaterock> ./ati-file
[08:40] <slavik> slaterock: yes ... or double click it :)
[08:40] <tanlaan> i need to know how to play mp3's on ubuntu without installing easy ubuntu
[08:40] <intelikey> skpl unless someone on your ip got a k line   idk
[08:40] <pI05> intelikey: which packets do i have to install to have locale?
[08:40] <tanlaan> cause everytime i install it it fucks up my comp
[08:40] <alexnicol> slavik: The only libqt offered was libqt-perl
[08:40] <dooglus> !mp3
[08:40] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <Laney> np:
[08:40] <cgray> so does anyone know if it's possible to get the system working with / on a usb disk?
[08:41] <slavik> alexnicol: install libqt3-mt
[08:41] <alexnicol> already installed
[08:41] <slavik> and nothing?
[08:41] <alexnicol> same error
[08:41] <slavik> wait, you are compiling something?
[08:41] <alexnicol> kooling
[08:41] <slaterock> is a multi-threaded processor considered .x64?
[08:41] <slaterock> or is it still 32 bit?
[08:41] <intelikey> pI05 sorry there is an s on the end of that.
[08:42] <intelikey> locales
[08:42] <intelikey> my bad.
[08:42] <slavik> slaterock: depends on what multi-threaded is meant by
[08:42] <spikeb> multithread has nothing to do with 32/64 bitness, i wouldn't think
[08:42] <skpl> intelikey, no, the server says i have a trojan though i have since scanned twice for rootkit and re-installed ubuntu
[08:42] <slavik> alexnicol: you are on kubuntu?
[08:42] <slaterock> k
[08:42] <dooglus> is there some way I can find out the connection speed of my eth1 interface?
[08:42] <pwned> I couldn't find the exact kernel version for dapperdrake from online documentation
[08:42] <skpl> intelikey, do you think someone on my ip has a trojan?
[08:42] <pwned> 6th flight
[08:42] <alexnicol> technically no, its ubuntu with the KDE installed instead of Gnome
[08:42] <dooglus> (like in windows, where it tells me "connected at 1000000 bps"
[08:42] <slavik> slaterock: multi-threaded can mean multi-core
[08:42] <jack-> danglus: ifconfig
[08:43] <alexnicol> it still says ubuntu when I boot up
[08:43] <dooglus> jack-: what flags?
[08:43] <slavik> alexnicol: hmm ...
[08:43] <jack-> no flags
[08:43] <tanlaan> thx
[08:43] <slavik> does kubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu?
[08:43] <jack-> ifconfig, or ifconfig eth0
[08:43] <dooglus> jack-: that doesn't give the speed for me
[08:43] <alexnicol> I'm using the ubuntu repos
[08:43] <|lostbyte|> dooglus: Nope ! no auto line there, but i think the card gets its values from that file.
[08:43] <jack-> media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>) status: active
[08:44] <jack-> looks like a speed indication, to me
[08:44] <|lostbyte|> dooglus: wait only one auto line.. goes "auto lo"
[08:44] <slavik> alexnicol: what I am thinking is if there is a repo version, to install it so that all dependancies get installed and then you can compile the stuff ...
[08:44] <intelikey> skpl  i know nothing about that.   but a trojan would probably be in your /home/dir  and reinstalling ubuntu without changing /home would do nothing to clean that.
[08:44] <pwned> and the question is, what's the kernel which 6.04 comes with?
[08:44] <dooglus> |lostbyte|: see mine here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12486
[08:44] <dooglus> |lostbyte|: add an 'auto' line like mine
[08:44] <dooglus> jack-: which line are you talking about?
[08:44] <alexnicol> so edit sources list to show kubuntu?
[08:45] <dooglus> jack-: I don't see any 'media' line
[08:45] <jack-> oh
[08:45] <skpl> intelikey, even if i deleted the previous partitions?
[08:45] <slavik> alexnicol: I dunno if kubuntu has diffrepos
[08:45] <skpl> intelikey, im confident that rkhunter would have found something if i had it
[08:45] <jack-> ok then, ifconfig on darwin seems to be slightly different
[08:45] <jack-> my bad
[08:45] <intelikey> skpl k.
[08:45] <|lostbyte|> dooglus: Oh ! ok done..
[08:46] <spikeb> heh everything on darwin is slightly different
[08:46] <dooglus> jack-: I see this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12487
[08:46] <dooglus> what's darwin?
[08:47] <jack-> another dist
[08:47] <jack-> the core of mac os x, actually
[08:47] <slavik> yes
[08:47] <|lostbyte|> dooglus: So only /etc/network/ and /etc/rc.d/network gets the boot concernig my network. IS there another file/folder i should worry about ?
[08:47] <slavik> darwin =derivative of FreeBSD, no?
[08:47] <jack-> kind of, yeah
[08:47] <josh__> where is the xfree source located in ubuntu?
[08:47] <intelikey> and skpl yes probably someone on your b class has caused problems on efnet.  happens to me sometimes.   i go to a network and find that i'm banned from a place i've never even been before.
[08:47] <dooglus> I don't get it - why are you answering questions about ubuntu in #ubuntu with answers which only work on darwin?
[08:47] <slavik> josh__: the repos?
[08:48] <slavik> josh__: use xorg ...
[08:48] <jack-> well, because ifconfig is ifconfig ;) sorry
[08:48] <jack-> my bad
[08:48] <josh__> slavik, sorry, fairly new to linux
[08:48] <jack-> except from my media lines, the output is almost exactly the same
[08:48] <dooglus> |lostbyte|: don't edit /etc/rc*/* at all; just edit the file I told you about.  or use the GNOME config tool - that'll edit it for you
[08:48] <jack-> so dont slap me too much
[08:48] <slavik> josh__: reason for the question is because I do not know myself
[08:48] <josh__> slavik, oh
[08:48] <intelikey> josh__ sources access through repos.
[08:48] <intelikey> !repos
[08:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:49] <Strayhikari> Hello, really new user with most likely a stupid question
[08:49] <Strayhikari> Does aptget have a system wide update command?
[08:49] <slavik> Strayhikari: there are not stupid questions, only stupid people
[08:49] <skpl> intelikey, what is a ba class
[08:49] <slavik> Strayhikari: that is a good question and yes
[08:49] <spikeb> Strayhikari, apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:49] <spikeb> Strayhikari, and that's one of the more intelligent questions we've seen here tonight heh
[08:49] <Strayhikari> ok cool
[08:49] <slavik> DO NOT DO dist-upgrade
[08:49] <pwned> should there be any problem using aptitude ?
[08:50] <slavik> Strayhikari: do update then upgrade
[08:50] <Strayhikari> It upgrades to testing if you do that?
[08:50] <hyphenated> Strayhikari: remember to do 'sudo apt-get update' before 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ;-)
[08:50] <Strayhikari> ok
[08:50] <George007> !winex
[08:50] <ubotu> George007: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:50] <spikeb> dist-upgrade is the only way to get everything upgraded.
[08:50] <|lostbyte|> dooglus: ok ! thanks.. i got to search for info on that file. tx
[08:50] <Strayhikari> Thanks for the help guys
[08:50] <intelikey> skpl major net block ?   kinda the root of your ip that your isp provides to you and all it's other customers.
[08:50] <slavik> Strayhikari: dist-upgrade, yes, will upgrade ... but dist-upgrade doesn't care about breaking dependencies
[08:50] <dooglus> slavik: why wouldn't you dist-upgrade?
[08:50] <slavik> dooglus: because it is potentially dangerous
[08:50] <alex__> slavik, do you have any idea why the #ubuntu-ru channel doesn't work?
[08:50] <Strayhikari> Yikes, and I'm not good enough to fix dependencies
[08:51] <alex__> i mean the one on freenode
[08:51] <spikeb> slavik, if the stable distro has breaking deps, it isn't stable.
[08:51] <dooglus> slavik: dist-upgrade won't break dependencies will it?
[08:51] <spikeb> not on stable, unless these guys screw up.
[08:51] <hyphenated> dooglus: not in my experience
[08:51] <slavik> dooglus: it can and won't care
[08:51] <dooglus> slavik: it might want to remove hundreds of packages because of dependencies, but it won't let you have broken dependencies
[08:51] <slaterock> slav
[08:51] <slavik> dist-upgrade is more bleeding edge than upgrade
[08:51] <slaterock> do i want to create a ubuntu package?
[08:52] <slavik> dooglus: that is not very ncie either
[08:52] <slaterock> it says i can create:
[08:52] <spikeb> bleeding edge? it's at LEAST 6 years old
[08:52] <spikeb> :P
[08:52] <slavik> slaterock: yes
[08:52] <slavik> spikeb: :P
[08:52] <slaterock> k
[08:52] <skpl> intelikey, i guess that makes sense
[08:52] <dooglus> I've found that if I don't use dist-upgrade, I never get any new packages
[08:52] <slavik> slaterock: use the names
[08:52] <slavik> dooglus: doyou do update first?
[08:52] <intelikey><EMAIL_ADDRESS><--- skpl you.   *.hstntx.swbell.net   b class   i think...  some one that knows more about "ip"  and "it"  could correct.
[08:52] <dooglus> of course
[08:52] <slavik> k
[08:52] <slavik> interesting
[08:52] <dooglus> I get new versions of existing packages with upgrade, but not new packages
[08:53] <slaterock> i'm building a ubuntu dapper package
[08:53] <spikeb> cool slaterock
[08:53] <slaterock> lol
[08:53] <slavik> yes
[08:53] <slavik> it will create a dep file
[08:53] <slaterock> k
[08:53] <slavik> install it with dpkg -i then restart xserver
[08:54] <oddie> hello all
[08:54] <slaterock> which one?
[08:54] <slaterock> it made like 5 different debs
[08:54] <slavik> hmm, pm me the names
[08:55] <alexnicol> slavik - kubuntu is still on the ubuntu repos
[08:55] <slavik> hmm
[08:55] <slavik> alexnicol: did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:55] <slavik> ,  ?
[08:55] <spikeb> apt-get install buggy crap would attempt to install windows
[08:56] <slavik> spikeb: I aliased dog to cat :)
[08:56] <hyphenated> someone told me about apt-get moo the other week :-)
[08:56] <iceman> w t heck cant get streamtuner to open xmms ? help ?
[08:56] <spikeb> haha slavik
[08:56] <BoyDubai> why does pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace kills the system?
[08:56] <spikeb> slavik, a long time ago i had tar, feather and runouttatown
[08:56] <hyphenated> BoyDubai: it kills your graphical interface. it's supposed to
[08:56] <slaterock> slavik, you get those?
[08:56] <slavik> BoyDubai: it doesn't, it only shuts down xserver (GUI)
[08:57] <hyphenated> it shouldn't kill the entire system, and the login screen should reappear
[08:57] <slavik> slaterock: are you registered?
[08:57] <slaterock> no
[08:57] <BoyDubai> is there a way of disabling it?
[08:57] <slavik> slaterock: that's why
[08:57] <hyphenated> BoyDubai: yes
[08:57] <slavik> BoyDubai: no
[08:57] <spikeb> yeah there is
[08:57] <slavik> there is?
[08:57] <spikeb> but i don't know how offhand
[08:57] <spikeb> slavik, yeah
[08:57] <hyphenated> BoyDubai: it requires editing the xorg.conf file by hand though
[08:57] <slaterock> xorg-driver-fglrx-dev_8.24.8-1_i386.deb
[08:57] <slaterock> [01:55]  slaterock: xorg-driver-fglrx-_8.24.8-1_i386.deb
[08:57] <slaterock> [01:55]  slaterock: fglrx-sources_8.24.8-1_i386.deb
[08:57] <slaterock> [01:56]  slaterock: fglrx-kernel-source_8.24.8-1_i386.deb
[08:57] <slaterock> [01:56]  slaterock: and then a fglrx-control.deb as well
[08:57] <alexnicol> slavick: Yes - I think so, either that or Kubuntu-Core
[08:57] <slavik> slaterock: don't paste text here, use pastebin
[08:57] <BoyDubai> ok
[08:57] <BoyDubai> thanks!
[08:57] <slaterock> sorry:(
[08:58] <slavik> do the driver one second in the list
[08:58] <spikeb> BoyDubai, it might even say in the file how to do it
[08:58] <intelikey> skpl see a really good script kiddy or a third rate hacker, hijacks an ip and starts malicious crap on some network; efnet for example,  and the ops kick/ban that user but they come right back with another ip from the same server they just hacked into.  so the k line has to get the b class to stop all connection from that part of the network.   that sends them either to a new network of to hack a new server and hijack anothe
[08:58] <slavik> or heck, list all of them :)
[08:58] <intelikey> becuae your ip was used for that....
[08:58] <alex__>
[08:58] <ecen> hello, i recently installed windows and it overwrote the mbr, so now i can only access ubuntu through floppy grub boot disk. now my idea is to make a boot.bin to copy to the windows loader... i have tried dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/media/mydisk/boot.bin bs=512 count=1 but when i use it on the windows boot it just displays a frozen GRUB. any ideas?
[08:58] <alex__>    -
[08:58] <alex__> :(
[08:59] <skpl> intelikey, however i did not recieve a k-line notice, it was a trojan horse warning
[08:59] <slaterock> i need to install all of them?
[08:59] <slavik> alex, that isn't urf :(
[08:59] <slavik> slaterock: well, not all of them, but you can remove them later
[08:59] <dooglus> BoyDubai: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf; find the ServerLayout section; add a line saying:    Option "DontZap" "true"
[08:59] <slavik> slaterock: they will be listed with dpkg and you will be able to remove them later :)
[08:59] <BoyDubai> ok thanks
[09:00] <slaterock> k
[09:00] <slavik> dooglus: will ctrl+alt+backspace restart xserver then?
[09:00] <intelikey> skpl so i used that for an example...  just answering eariler questions...  ;/     already told you all i know about horse pucky.
[09:00] <alex__> slavik, i noticed you logged on there and typed "privet"
[09:00] <skpl> i like horse pucky
[09:00] <skpl> it is sticky and green
[09:00] <reg_> how can i safely install windows (on another partition) on a system w/ ubuntu already installed?
[09:00] <intelikey> it smells bad.
[09:00] <hyphenated> slavik: no, it kills the X server. the login manager notices and does the restart
[09:00] <skpl> but it chats well
[09:00] <ecen> anyone?
[09:00] <dooglus> BoyDubai: I just found it at http://jfgi.us/ - can't promise it'll work
[09:00] <alex__> but everytime i try to type there it keeps saying "No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>"
[09:00] <hyphenated> slavik: if you started it via 'startx', it'd take you back to your shell
[09:01] <sfar> ecen:  looked at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows ?
[09:01] <BoyDubai> thanks
[09:01] <dooglus> slavik: it will disable the sequence I think
[09:01] <slaterock> alright, installed all of 'em
[09:01] <UbuntuNewbie> i noticed there is a user 'debian-sys-maint' on my MySQL server is this user necessary
[09:01] <slavik> hyphenated: atm, I have autologin through gdm ...
[09:01] <alex__> and God be my witness i googles all the web down and couldn't find what channel to join ;(
[09:01] <spikeb> i would think so, sounds like a maintenence bot
[09:01] <slavik> hyphenated: if I do that seq, I get to the terminal
[09:01] <intelikey> ecen sudo grub-install /dev/hda    (assuming hd)
[09:01] <The-Moon> Can anyone tell me how i can set the Bit Depth of Gnome?
[09:01] <UbuntuNewbie> or should i remove it
[09:02] <sfar> alex__: kak dela? :D
[09:02] <dooglus> slavik: I find that around 50% of the time ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X, and the other 50% it will drop me to a VC
[09:02] <alex__> sfar: cool
[09:02] <slavik> dooglus: it used to restart it, but now it kills it
[09:02] <slaterock> slavik, what do i do after i install the packages?
[09:02] <hyphenated> slavik: my point was it's not a shortcut for 'restart'
[09:02] <slavik> slaterock: restart xserver :)
[09:03] <slavik> I see
[09:03] <intelikey> spikeb uses autologin   hehhe.   prolly only on x
[09:03] <The-Moon> anyone?
[09:03] <spikeb> intelikey, yeah only for my gnome session
[09:03] <alex__> sfar: v icq postuchis, pozhaluysta, 7474826
[09:03] <slavik> I'll brb
[09:03] <slaterock> k
[09:03] <hyphenated> The-Moon: GNOME just uses whatever your X server setting is. you have to configure the X server
[09:04] <slaterock> xserver restarted
[09:04] <The-Moon> how do i set what x uses?
[09:04] <intelikey> spikeb you missed my rant about that eariler to tonyyarusso.   i can't login on this box  it has to be autologin  all passwds are locked.... :)
[09:04] <slaterock> gah
[09:04] <slaterock> i don't get it
[09:04] <spikeb> intelikey, that sucks
[09:04] <slaterock> glxinfo still shows mesa glx
[09:04] <slaterock> sob
[09:05] <slavik> back
[09:05] <slavik> slaterock: nothing?
[09:05] <slaterock> nope
[09:05] <ecen> sfar, intelikey: i dont want to recover grub, i want to be able to start it from windows nt loader by creating a boot image that loads from windows
[09:05] <slavik> hmm
[09:05] <slaterock> this is the most frustrating thing i've ever dealt with on a computer
[09:05] <slavik> slaterock: open synaptic
[09:05] <mDot> funny, amarok has my entire hip hop collection but refuses to randomly play anything but tracks with jay z on it
[09:05] <spikeb> slaterock, it only gets worse
[09:05] <spikeb> mDot, i smell bias!
[09:05] <slaterock> lol
[09:05] <sfar> ecen, okay. why?
[09:06] <ecen> unfortunately, i cannot make it work
[09:06] <slaterock> what am i looking for in synaptic?
[09:06] <intelikey> ecen sudo grub-install /dev/hda2 (assumes ubuntu on 2)
[09:06] <Terminus> ecen: restore grub, get a copy of the mbr, and then have windows overwrite the mbr again? :)
[09:06] <mDot> spikeb, random as long as artist =*jayz*
[09:06] <slavik> did it give you any errors?
[09:06] <slaterock> no
[09:06] <slaterock> synaptic package manager, right?
[09:06] <slavik> yes
[09:06] <ecen> sfar: because it is easier to maintain a boot image and not rewriting the mbr everytime
[09:06] <intelikey> ecen then make win load partition 2
[09:07] <intelikey> i think that's what you want ecen,   but i don't do windows.
[09:07] <slaterock> no errors
[09:07] <gent_> ok...
[09:07] <gent_> somet things fixed
[09:07] <slavik> hmm, well... the idea is that the mesagl module needs to be removed
[09:08] <gent_> deskbar-applet is just a search... not what I'm looking for
[09:08] <gent_> but thanks anyway
[09:08] <spikeb> haha
[09:08] <intelikey> ecen who told you it was safer ?
[09:08] <spikeb> amarok <3 jayz
[09:08] <ecen> intelikey: yes, that is what i want, it worked form me when i had suse and lilo, but it doesnt seem to work with grub
[09:08] <slaterock> and is that possible?
[09:08] <Gent_> got my audio fixed...
[09:08] <Gent_> somewhat....
[09:08] <spikeb> bbl folks, gonna try and sleep
[09:08] <Overand> any of you guys work with 3ware controllers?  - http://pastebin.com/666647
[09:08] <intelikey> ecen then use lilo.
[09:09] <intelikey> linux is linux.   lilo can boot ubuntu as better that grub can...
[09:09] <slavik> slaterock: should be ... but I dunno which package it is
[09:09] <intelikey> excues me   as better as    :)
[09:09] <Overand> intelikey: "As well as"
[09:09] <Gent_> hrm, no ifolder package
[09:09] <slavik> slaterock: try search synaptic for mesgl
[09:09] <endeavormac> I am having a terrible time disabling the touchpad tapping on my powerbook. I have added the lines Option "MaxTapTime" "0" and Option "TapButton1" "0" to my xorg.conf, yet tapping still occurs after the xserv is restarted. I'm at a bit of a loss here, could someone point me in the right direction?
[09:09] <slavik> mesagl
[09:09] <intelikey> Overand that's your openion... i have my own... :)
[09:10] <slaterock> there's a libglu1-mesa
[09:10] <Overand> intelikey: I wouldn't call 'correct english' an opinion.
[09:10] <ecen> intelikey: im not saying it is safer... it is easier. i would be happy not to have to restore the mbr everytime i reinstall any os, and linux is the one that lets me make an image of the boot record
[09:10] <slavik> not that
[09:10] <slavik> slaterock: do a search on "glx"
[09:11] <intelikey> Overand then just plain  better   if you want "propper" english   seeing that correct is not the propper term either.
[09:11] <slavik> Gent_: does nvidia release ppc drivers?
[09:11] <ecen> i'm basically new to linux so im affraid if i install lilo and anything goes bad then i wont be able to boot any o
[09:11] <ecen> os
[09:11] <slaterock> not seeing anything
[09:12] <sfar> you can always restore MBR with winxp-install cd
[09:12] <slavik> interesting ...
[09:12] <Gent_> no?
[09:12] <Overand> intelikey: i'm not going to argue with you about 'proper' english if you can't spell 'proper' -- besides, this is offtopic.
[09:12] <intelikey> it's your rant.
[09:12] <slaterock> i see dri modules
[09:13] <slavik> hmm, prolly not of interest ...
[09:13] <slavik> dri is for oldercards
[09:13] <slaterock> oh
[09:13] <slaterock> 9100 igp
[09:13] <Overand> also, intelikey, don't IRC as root.
[09:13] <slaterock> :)
[09:13] <slavik> slaterock: post on forums...
[09:13] <Gent_> hrm....
[09:13] <slaterock> gahhh
[09:13] <slaterock> i hate this creeeyap
[09:13] <slavik> slaterock: huh?
[09:13] <intelikey> Overand bite me.
[09:14] <slavik> intelikey and Overand stop taking up my bandwidth for useless crap, go elsewhere
[09:14] <mzinz> I was at the apple.com site, and it said I was missing a plugin (it was a quicktime video embeded on the website).  What package am I missing?
[09:14] <BoyDubai> in terminal, ">" appears and i can't exit even pressing ctrl-z doesn't stop it... what's this?
[09:14] <intelikey> slavik..... mmm ok !
[09:15] <Madpilot> Overand & intelikey - #ubuntu-offtopic, or elsewhere, thanks. Not here...
[09:15] <slavik> mzinz: you need mplayer plugin, or totem plugin
[09:15] <sfar> Overand: how did you know he's IRCing as ropot
[09:15] <sfar> *root
[09:15] <mzinz> slavik, whats the apt-get package?
[09:15] <Overand> sfar: 03:12 [freenode]  -!- intelikey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:15] <sfar> ah
[09:15] <sfar> :)
[09:15] <slavik> mzinz: use synaptic to search for mplayer
[09:15] <slaterock> is it possible that there's a problem in directories?
[09:15] <mzinz> slavik, thanks
[09:15] <slavik> it'smplayer-mozilla I think, not sure
[09:15] <slaterock> i just don't see why when I configure xorg, mesa still pops up
[09:16] <slavik> slaterock: dunno, the procedure you followed is the exact one I did on my lappy
[09:16] <mzinz> slavik, I already have mplayer installed.  Any clue whats wrong?
[09:16] <slavik> that's the thing with linux ... there aren't any standards on installing drivers
[09:16] <slaterock> lol
[09:17] <slavik> mzinz: do you have the plugin for mozilla installed?
[09:17] <mzinz> slavik, yeah.. mozilla-mplayer
[09:17] <slavik> like windows has ... ie: here's this device, what driver you want me to us?
[09:17] <Gent_> shit...
[09:17] <slaterock> it looks like my glx is under ati, but opengl is mesa
[09:17] <slavik> use*
[09:17] <slavik> hmm
[09:17] <Gent_> errr...
[09:17] <mzinz> slavik, you sure it applies towards quicktime?
[09:17] <slavik> mzinz: hmm, not sure
[09:17] <Gent_> did dapper include the reversed broadcom wireless thing for airport extreme?
[09:17] <slavik> mzinz: gimmie a link
[09:17] <Gent_> cause I have a wireless card listed now...
[09:18] <slavik> Gent_: it does
[09:18] <mzinz> slavik, http://www.apple.com/aperture/
[09:18] <Gent_> oh my god!
[09:18] <Gent_> I love them
[09:18] <Gent_> now if only I could find my network key
[09:18] <slavik> Gent_: broadcomm made a linux driver, I think
[09:18] <Gent_> nah, it was reverse engineered slavik
[09:18] <slavik> k
[09:18] <Gent_> last I checked anyway
[09:18] <Gent_> unless they released one after that
[09:18] <Gent_> cause they didn't want us hackers meddling in their business
[09:19] <Madpilot> !enter
[09:19] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[09:19] <mzinz> Gent_, you have a broadcome WNIC adapter...  You DO need to fetch an accompanying fimware, though.
[09:19] <cafuego> !bcm43xx
[09:19] <ubotu> To use your broadcom or airport extreme card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx for info and firmware.
[09:19] <Gent_> hrm... can I strip the firmware under OS X?
[09:19] <slavik> Gent_: you can in linux
[09:19] <cafuego> Gent_: I did a package, it's on the wiki.
[09:20] <slavik> mzinz: you sure you have mplayer-mozilla installed?
[09:20] <mzinz> slavik, positive.
[09:20] <Gent_> hrm
[09:20] <Gent_> I'll try this firmware packatge
[09:20] <mzinz> slavik, the only thing I can wonder is if maybe the plugin is trying to be used on the old version of firefox and not applying to my 1.5
[09:21] <Overand> mzinz: that is likely
[09:21] <Overand> mzinz: did you read the 'new firefox' guide on the wiki?
[09:21] <slavik> yeah, that one is useful
[09:22] <slavik> time for me to sleep,night all
[09:22] <Overand> there's a section on doing symlinks
[09:22] <Overand> for plugins
[09:22] <mzinz> Overand, well I installed FF a while ago... i dont even remember there being a guide called new firefox
[09:22] <slavik> slaterock: also, mesagl is the linux opengl implementation :)
[09:22] <Overand> mzinz: one sec
[09:22] <Gent_> nice
[09:22] <Overand> !firefox
[09:22] <Gent_> looks like it works
[09:22] <Overand> hm
[09:22] <mzinz> How can I find out information on my Wireless card? Make/model etc
[09:22] <Gent_> well now
[09:22] <Gent_> life is getting better for us PPC folks
[09:23] <Overand> mzinz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:23] <Gent_> I may be able to drop OS X soon if all pans out properly
[09:24] <Gent_> OS X pisses me off
[09:24] <Overand> boy, this 3ware raid card is working *great* - it refuses to rebuild the 'degraded' array
[09:24] <Gent_> it lost my home directory info or something and now for some reason I still share the same home directory, but it doesn't recognize the Desktop folder
[09:24] <Gent_> I basically share my home between ubuntu and OS X
[09:24] <mzinz> Overand, other than my plugin not working, is there any point in upgrading from 1.5 to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:24] <Gent_> so if I had made a folder on my desktop in ubuntu it would be in OS X too and all that
[09:24] <Gent_> or any files on my desktop
[09:25] <Gent_> but now it seems to ignore it
[09:25] <Overand> mzinz: this is more about the 'proper' way to install 1.5.*
[09:25] <mzinz> Overand, ic
[09:26] <mzinz> Overand, random q: how do i find out info about my wireless nic? make/model etc
[09:26] <Overand> well, lspci miiight help
[09:26] <mzinz> Overand, perfect :)
[09:27] <Arafangion> How do I fix this problem with lilo? http://rafb.net/paste/results/gdKQxg51.html
[09:27] <DNA_String> After playing around with Ubuntu LiveCD, I decided to switch from MS to Ubuntu. However I'm having instalation problems. After the packages insall I get the login screen, which after loging in does nothing. period. I'm obvioulsy in XWindows, because I have a nice pointer mouse and because the background of the screen is that ubuntu-earthy-brown color. The system is a IBM Thinkpad 600X.
[09:27] <Overand> DNA_String: did you use the installer cd to install?
[09:27] <Gent_> Denzel Washington sounds exactly like Malcom X
[09:28] <DNA_String> Yes
[09:28] <Overand> DNA_String: try dpkg-reconfigure gnome
[09:28] <Overand> or something
[09:28] <Overand> someone else chime in with the right package name =]
[09:28] <DNA_String> where? How would I get to a command terminal?
[09:29] <Overand> DNA_String: control-alt-F2
[09:29] <Overand> then alt-F7 to return to the GUI
[09:29] <Overand> inside a text mode, alt-F1 to F6 is virtual terminals
[09:29] <Overand> and F7 is the GUI.   when inside the gui, you need to do control-alt-whatever
[09:30] <kie27> greetings all, i have a quick question about chinese support in ubuntu, is there going to be pen entry chinese character recognition forthcoming? do you know what chinese input methods are going to be supported? i am living in HK and try to introduce people to ubuntu but chinese input is really critical.
[09:31] <DNA_String> says must do as root. how?
[09:31] <Overand> DNA_String: sudo commandname
[09:31] <Overand> DNA_String: note- this may 'break' your system
[09:31] <Overand> =]
[09:31] <Arafangion> Hello?
[09:32] <Madpilot> Arafangion, ?
[09:32] <Overand> Arafangion: do you have a question?
[09:32] <DNA_String> it's newly installed, nothing is on it, I'm not worried about breaking it.
[09:32] <Arafangion> Sorry, just making sure that my messages actually got to the channel, sometimes this network ignores input.
[09:32] <DNA_String> nonetheless it says gnome is not installed.
[09:32] <Arafangion> How do I fix this problem with lilo? http://rafb.net/paste/results/gdKQxg51.html
[09:33] <sfar> DNA_String: great, enter "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome", and then your password
[09:33] <charleslaptop> what is wrong with this command (xorg.conf is a file in the current directory): sudo cat xorg.conf > /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:33] <charleslaptop> I get oermission denied
[09:33] <charleslaptop> permission denied
[09:33] <charleslaptop> err denied
[09:34] <Overand> strange
[09:34] <DNA_String> It says gnome is not installed (and no info is available).
[09:34] <dooglus> BoyDubai: that '>' prompt is from you entering half a shell command.  control-c will abort it
[09:34] <Overand> dooglus: wong
[09:34] <Overand> wait
[09:34] <dooglus> BoyDubai: alternatively, close the quote, bracket, or whatever else you left half open
[09:34] <Overand> sorry dooglus
[09:34] <Overand> mis-read something
[09:34] <Overand> dooglus: thought you were referring to charleslaptop's thing =]
[09:35] <charleslaptop> anyone know how I should format that command?  I'm guessing there are some quotes or something that I need
[09:35] <dooglus> charleslaptop: what's wrong with that is that the "sudo" bit only applies to the "cat xorg.conf", and the "> /etc/..." bit is run as you
[09:35] <dooglus> charleslaptop: "sudo cp xorg.conf /etc/X11" would do it
[09:35] <BoyDubai> thanks.
[09:36] <charleslaptop> dooglus: I don't want to change permissions
[09:36] <dooglus> charleslaptop: you can "sudo bash -c '< xorg.conf > /etc/X11/xorg.conf'" I guess
[09:36] <charleslaptop> dooglus: how about sudo bash 'cat blah > bleh'
[09:36] <The-Moon> Hey guys, im wondering when X will be fixed?
[09:37] <charleslaptop> oh ok, -c means command line or something?
[09:37] <Madpilot> The-Moon, it seems to work here - what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[09:37] <dooglus> charleslaptop: I think bash needs '-c' to tell it it's a command - otherwise it expects the name of a script to open and run
[09:37] <The-Moon> the version i just downloaded the other day
[09:37] <The-Moon> im getting 48 fps in my basic allegro app
[09:37] <The-Moon> but on windows i got 64fps
[09:37] <The-Moon> whats the deal?
[09:37] <mathew-ef> Does anybody know what is Ubuntu-lite?
[09:38] <The-Moon> i moved over to linux because its supose to be better for game programming, but its running slower.
[09:38] <The-Moon> 48 fps is crap
[09:38] <The-Moon> need atleast 60 to get a decent refresh rate
[09:38] <The-Moon> or well decent animation/smoothness
[09:39] <Madpilot> The-Moon, what graphics card do you have?
[09:39] <The-Moon> that shouldnt matter
[09:39] <The-Moon> it ran at 64 in windows
[09:39] <The-Moon> runs at 48 in linux
[09:39] <Madpilot> !enter
[09:39] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[09:39] <The-Moon> nivida geforce 4
[09:40] <Madpilot> The-Moon, got the nvidia 3d drivers installed, I assume?
[09:40] <The-Moon> Yup
[09:40] <sfar> well.. it matters if you dont have the correct drivers in linux
[09:40] <The-Moon> i did that earler
[09:40] <The-Moon> Wolfenstein ET runs fine
[09:40] <The-Moon> just like it did on windows
[09:40] <The-Moon> by my allegro app is running 1/3 slower now
[09:40] <somarts> hi
[09:40] <Madpilot> The-Moon, please ease up on the Enter key - one sentence per line, thanks...
[09:41] <sfar> The-Moon: 1/4 slower
[09:41] <The-Moon> yteah sorry
[09:41] <The-Moon> yeah 1/4
[09:41] <The-Moon> hit the wrong key
[09:41] <The-Moon> damnit...
[09:41] <dooglus> hey, that was
[09:41] <Madpilot> The-Moon, I've no idea what 'allegro' is, but if ET is running fine, that sounds like a problem with it, not X or your 3d drivers...
[09:41] <dooglus> one sentence on 3
[09:41] <dooglus> lines!
[09:41] <Gent_> now
[09:42] <Gent_> if there was only a way to get XGL
[09:42] <The-Moon> (03:34:37) Tomasu: in windows you get DirectX, in X you get ... X
[09:42] <The-Moon> (03:34:58) Tomasu: X will be slower than DX till we get the OpenGL driver working properly
[09:43] <slaterock> has anyone in here installed ati drivers for a 9100 igp?
[09:43] <GiGaHuRtZ> slaterock, I could never get em to work :(
[09:43] <Seveas> !tell Gent_ about xgl
[09:43] <Gent_> Seveas, it's PPC
[09:43] <The-Moon> ok ill be back
[09:43] <slaterock> yeah, they're annoying as allgetout
[09:43] <Madpilot> hi Seveas
[09:44] <Seveas> Gent_, so?
[09:44] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ya, I ended up junking the laptop because I hate ati drivers
[09:44] <Seveas> iirc xgl works for ppc too...
[09:44] <Gent_> so there's no drivers...
[09:44] <Seveas> hi Madpilot
[09:44] <Seveas> Gent_, poke at ati to release their sources
[09:44] <GiGaHuRtZ> Heh, Nvidia will do it before ATI does
[09:44] <Gent_> yeah... that's all I need to do to get it... eh?
[09:45] <Seveas> GiGaHuRtZ, the 12th of never and the 13th of nevr don't make too much difference...
[09:45] <GiGaHuRtZ> Well there are actually people working with Nvidia to open source their drivers
[09:45] <Gent_> Just convince a multi million dollar company to open up source code so people can freely code and make use of their research and development money
[09:45] <Gent_> no problem...
[09:45] <slaterock> this is just ridiculous
[09:45] <slaterock> why is it so tough to install these?
[09:45] <Gent_> I'll have XGL in 5 minutes...
[09:45] <GiGaHuRtZ> With ATI, there are no efforts once so ever
[09:46] <DNA_String> I've entered ""sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome" at the command line and quickly got the response "Package 'gnome' is not installed and no info is available". What do I do now?
[09:46] <Gent_> still wish that novell menu applet was available
[09:46] <Auckland_Pig> i have lots of gnome-pty-helper(around 20) when i see processes in System monitor
[09:47] <Auckland_Pig> what are these gnome-pty-helpers? can i kill them?
[09:47] <Overand> DNA_String: that's not the right package name
[09:47] <ompaul> GiGaHuRtZ, that is because you need not to be running the 3d version of the XGL
[09:47] <ompaul> **************News Flash************** Dapper and XGL are for discussion in #ubuntu+1 and #xgl the correct channels for that
[09:47] <Overand> DNA_String: try to install it
[09:47] <Seveas> **************News Flash************** ompaul has arrived
[09:48] <Overand> DNA_String: sudo apt-get install gnome
[09:48] <slaterock> weird
[09:48] <Overand> bleh
[09:48] <GiGaHuRtZ> WTH?  When did I say anything regarding xgl?
[09:48] <slaterock> it's an opengl issue
[09:48] <Overand> i am totally freaked about this raid config =/
[09:48] <slaterock> when i look at the ati info ap
[09:48] <slaterock> it shows me the right ati driver number
[09:48] <Madpilot> ompaul, or at least for gross abuse of the common asteriks :P
[09:48] <slaterock> but the opengl is till being handled strictly by mesa
[09:49] <ompaul> hehe
[09:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> ompaul, When did I say anything regarding xgl?
[09:49] <Gent_> my essay writing teacher is on crack, he tells me to tighten a 4 page double spaced essay size 12 font... every example essay we read in class is about 4 pages, size 8 font, single spaced...
[09:49] <ompaul> GiGaHuRtZ, you didn't tab completion at this hour of the morning (pre coffee) got me bad :-)
[09:50] <GiGaHuRtZ> haha
[09:50] <GiGaHuRtZ> Alrighty ;)
[09:50] <DNA_String> after "sudo apt-get install gnome" I got "E: Couldn't find package gnome"
[09:50] <GiGaHuRtZ> DNA_String, "ubuntu-desktop"
[09:50] <Arafangion> Why can't I use lilo properly? I can't even run it!
[09:50] <Arafangion> How do I fix this problem with lilo? http://rafb.net/paste/results/gdKQxg51.html
[09:50] <RealMurphy> Hi there, I'm about to try ubuntu on a server, however, this server can only be accessed remotely vie serial console or a "recovery" system aka busybux. I've googled a bit, but have not found much about this kind of scenario, any suggestions besides creating a base.tar.gz and scp it to the box?
[09:51] <mzinz> if i have KDE and Gnome installed, can i switch between them some how?  Also, if i have KDE installed, does that mean "I have Kubuntu"?
[09:51] <Gent_> that doesn't sound too hopeful RealMurphy
[09:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> mzinz, sure ya can switch, using the session manager, either kdm or gdm
[09:51] <ompaul> !goodmorning
[09:51] <ubotu> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu! It looks like another beautiful ubuntuous day, may humanity be with you and your problems be solved :)
[09:52] <RealMurphy> Gent_: I guess so,  I know it's possible this way (installed debian this way 2.5 years ago), but it's a pain in drak places
[09:52] <mzinz> GiGaHuRtZ, ive played with gnome quite a bit now.  Is there any point to me getting and playing with KDE?  how different are they?
[09:52] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: maybe, lilo.conf is wrong?
[09:52] <sfar> mzinz: you can select "Session" at login
[09:52] <Auckland_Pig> ubotu: what is gnome-pty-helper
[09:52] <ubotu> Auckland_Pig: what are you talking about?
[09:52] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: I would probably advise you to use Debian, because docs exist that allow you to install from within another (linux) system.
[09:52] <dooglus> mzinz: they're quite different
[09:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> mzinz, A LOT different
[09:52] <mzinz> GiGaHuRtZ, examples?
[09:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> Some people prefer gnome, some prefer kde
[09:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> MYsle,f I have 11 Windows Managers installed
[09:52] <Gent_> RealMurphy, anything is possible.... just not something I would want to attempt
[09:52] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: I'll post the lilo.conf file as well, then.
[09:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> But one doesn't work...
[09:52] <Overand> RealMurphy: if you just want to 'try' kde, hit up knoppix
[09:52] <mzinz> GiGaHuRtZ, i guess it couldn't hurt to get KDE then.  whats the package name?
[09:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> mzinz, kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <RealMurphy> Overand: Try kde?
[09:53] <DNA_String> to "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" I get "ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version" followed by "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded".
[09:53] <RealMurphy> Overand: I'm the one with the server ;)
[09:53] <Overand> RealMurphy: sorry, yeah
[09:53] <Overand> i'm multitasking hardcore
[09:53] <RealMurphy> *g*
[09:53] <Overand> DNA_String: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> DNA_String, maybe I missed out on exactly what it is you are trying to accomplish
[09:53] <Gent_> So anyone want to "tighten" up this restaurant review for me?
[09:54] <mzinz> What are a couple examples of how KDE and gnome differ?
[09:54] <ompaul> !offtopic
[09:54] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[09:54] <Overand> GiGaHuRtZ: after GDM, he gets a cursor and background andn othing else
[09:54] <Auckland_Pig> ubotu: are you a bot or a human?
[09:54] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Auckland_Pig
[09:54] <Gent_> wtf?
[09:54] <RealMurphy> Gent_: The problem ist, it's a Athlon64 box, and I'd rather want to run amd64 on it, probably have to try etch than, even if it's not final yet
[09:54] <Overand> Auckland_Pig: grep 'bot' inside 'ubotu'
[09:54] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Auckland_Pig about yourself
[09:54] <ompaul> !bot
[09:54] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[09:54] <Gent_> RealMurphy, I just can't imagine doing it over a serial line or something like that
[09:54] <Auckland_Pig> hehehe... nice...
[09:55] <Overand> RealMurphy: do you have access toputting a CD in it?
[09:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> Overand, Maybe a problem with how his sessions are configured, try the actual session called "GNOME" under the sessions list rather then leaving it on "Default session"
[09:55] <Overand> like... do you just mean it's headless?
[09:55] <Arafangion> Could someone please help me with my lilo problem? I have *heaps* of debugging output here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/y1AzR674.html
[09:55] <RealMurphy> Gent_: Ah sorry, no, a misunderstanding. the box is a rented "root-server" and I have a full 100 Mbit connecction to it, serial console is emulated via LAN as well
[09:55] <RealMurphy> Overand: No, tha's exactly the problem :)
[09:55] <Overand> aahhh
[09:55] <Overand> heh
[09:55] <Overand> what's it running now?
[09:56] <RealMurphy> Overand: I can rent it with debian or SuSE, but only SuSE comes 64bit
[09:56] <Overand> hmm
[09:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> RealMurphy, You mean a colo?
[09:56] <RealMurphy> Overand: I guess I have to live in 32bit still, but well...
[09:56] <Overand> well you could go debian, and then change the sources.list ....
[09:56] <Overand> and potentially really screw stuff up
[09:56] <RealMurphy> GigaByte_: No, it's rented, it's not my own server
[09:56] <Overand> but it would be serious fun
[09:57] <RealMurphy> Overand: Yeah, that would be possible, installing sarge first (or even woody) and upgrade to ubuntu server ;)
[09:57] <DNA_String> GiGaHuRtZ: I just installed ubuntu and after the first login it justs sits there - just the mouse and the ubuntu-earthy-brown desktop. no Icons, no menus, no trays, nothing but mouse and brown.
[09:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> Odd....
[09:57] <Overand> brown mouse!
[09:57] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Why don't you stick with 32-bits, then upgrade the kernel and compile your own 64-bit version of apache or whatever daemon you're using?
[09:58] <DNA_String> Overand: are you trying to be helpful or have you just lost sanity? :)
[09:58] <Gent_> heh, this guy called up at work today asking whether he should come in and buy SuSE
[09:58] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html <-- That's the first google hit for "remotely installing debian"
[09:58] <mzinz> If I like Ubuntu, what other distros might I consider using?
[09:59] <Arafangion> mzinz: Ubuntu is pretty much unique.
[09:59] <Gent_> None if you like ubuntu
[09:59] <Overand> heh
[09:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> DNA_String, have you tried failsafe gnome or any of the other options under the gdm sessions menu?
[09:59] <DNA_String> no.
[09:59] <mzinz> Arafangion, aren't all distros pretty much unique?
[09:59] <Arafangion> mzinz: If you like ubuntu, but you are only using it as a server, without gui, then you may like Debian also.
[09:59] <Arafangion> mzinz: No.
[09:59] <Gent_> I don't know why no one thought of something like ubuntu before...
[09:59] <Gent_> it has most of what you need, nothing you don't
[09:59] <DNA_String> how would I get them? Restart the computer?
[09:59] <Overand> I actually prefer ubuntu to debian as a server platform, somewhat
[09:59] <DNA_String> how would I get *to* them? Restart the computer?
[09:59] <Gent_> Every other distro has at least 10 web browsers
[10:00] <mzinz> Arafangion, I'm definltely not using it as a server, though im not disreguarding the necessity at some point.  But right now I'm using it purely for client and primary OS purposes.
[10:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> DNA_String, you get the gdm login dont you?
[10:00] <Overand> DNA_String: try hitting control-alt-backspace
[10:00] <mzinz> Arafangion, what makes it unique?
[10:00] <Arafangion> mzinz: You can organize distros into fairly crude classifications, such as the "Redhat camp" (mandrake, redhat, etc, and possibly Suze), the "Debian camp", which is very nearly just Debian, the slackware group, the from scratch group, and finally, the source-based distros.
[10:00] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: Yeah I know that one, I tried to find a more generic way around debootstrap :)
[10:01] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: But ubuntu is much more up2date than sarge
[10:01] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Oh really?
[10:01] <Overand> Installing gentoo without the 'installer' was actually very enlightening
[10:01] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Sarge is a heck alot mroe stable.
[10:01] <BoyDubai> why can't i edit my HelloWorldApp.java?
[10:01] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: Is it? Never had problems with any ubuntu/kubuntu server running locally here
[10:01] <Madpilot> folks, chat about other distros can move to #ubuntu-offtopic, please...
[10:01] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: I would probably put Ubuntu as somewhere in between Sarge and Etch.
[10:02] <BoyDubai> how can i edit a text file?
[10:02] <mzinz> Arafangion, I know ubuntu, but not well.. a few months practice.  I know how to get around and I know the filesystem, but i have so little experience outside ubuntu i feel held back and unexperienced in the linux world.  What other distro might you recommend to help me experience... a little more?
[10:02] <ompaul> mzinz, more ubuntu
[10:02] <Auckland_Pig> BoyDubai: use gedit
[10:02] <mzinz> ompaul, :)
[10:02] <Arafangion> mzinz: Ubuntu is a very nice distro.
[10:02] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: YEah, but I'm reluctant to put etch on it, last week some changes broke parts of etch (on 64bit - they changed the loader)
[10:02] <BoyDubai> i can't... it opens the file but i can't enter characters.
[10:02] <gholen> If I'd like to add a harddrive thats is filld with music, and formatted in ext3, how can I add it in a ubuntu-machine?
[10:02] <mzinz> Arafangion, so i hear
[10:02] <wedlomis> yo all
[10:02] <GNU_Style> anyone have any idea of LDAP+Samba for active directory
[10:03] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Personally, I'd just stick anything on it, then put management into your own hands, effectively forking it, given the state of 64-bit.
[10:03] <Auckland_Pig> BoyDubai: may be the file is readonly. if you are sure what you are doing then open the terminal and "sudo gedit filename"
[10:03] <Gent_> hey, I read somewhere that you can change button order in gconf, anyone know where that is?
[10:04] <RealMurphy> Ouch, but that would mean a LOT of recompiling, I'd take gentoo then ;)
[10:04] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Not really.
[10:04] <ompaul> BoyDubai, put the error on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and then ask the question here thanks
[10:04] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: yeah, just kidding
[10:04] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: You just need to recompile one or two programs that the server will really use.
[10:04] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: I'm assuming that you have a colo server that does little more than run one or two daemons, right?
[10:05] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: Which are quite a few, but nevertheless, I guess it would make sense to put etch on it
[10:05] <BoyDubai> ok thanks!
[10:05] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: Yeah, reight now it does a little bit more than just LAMP
[10:05] <Gent_> bwuahahah
[10:05] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: Make sure you install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs and the like.
[10:05] <Gent_> nevermind, I found it
[10:05] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: That is the predecessor of this new box
[10:06] <Overand> oh man
[10:06] <Overand> i used etch on 64 bit
[10:06] <Overand> it was
[10:06] <Overand> er
[10:06] <ompaul> Guys take the etch woody and spud into #ubuntu-offtopic they would have more of a conversational attitude this is supposed to be a Ubuntu tech support channel and it has 656 users in it thanks :-)
[10:06] <bintut> how can i dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper my ubuntu amd64?
[10:07] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: You could also try adapting the debian install instructions to Ubuntu.
[10:07] <DBO> bintut, you need to edit your sources.list to change all the bits that say breezy to dapper
[10:07] <Auckland_Pig> ompaul: just curious... are there any "paid" tech support persons on this channel?
[10:07] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: That was basically the question how much they differ and if there is another way "around" it
[10:07] <Madpilot> Auckland_Pig, nope
[10:07] <BoyDubai> it worked when i used sudo... i own the file but how come i still need to use sudo to edit it?
[10:07] <skpl> hi i am having trouble using bittorent, can someone help?
[10:07] <Arafangion> RealMurphy: If you have a spare box, you could try doing a test.
[10:08] <bintut> DBO: yeah..  where can i find the mirrors for dapper in order that i can upgrade to it?
[10:08] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, check the permissions - sounds like you might not have write permission
[10:08] <Auckland_Pig> BoyDubai: the file is probably readonly
[10:08] <ompaul> Auckland_Pig, not that I know of, but you know something there are some paid people who support stuff
[10:08] <Arafangion> Anyway, I'm getting dinner.
[10:08] <ompaul> :-)
[10:08] <Auckland_Pig> oh ok...
[10:08] <DBO> bintut, no no, once you change the sources.list you type "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and away you go
[10:08] <sfar> bintut: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:08] <RealMurphy> ompaul: I'm just curious if *technically* ubuntu is up to be put onto a server
[10:09] <ompaul> RealMurphy, yes it is
[10:09] <Auckland_Pig> ompaul: was just wondering if that happens then there would be more competition b/w redhat & ubuntu
[10:09] <RealMurphy> Arafangi1n: Anyway, thanks a lot!
[10:09] <Madpilot> RealMurphy, I gather that all of Ubuntu's own servers run... Ubuntu - and they seem stable :P
[10:09] <RealMurphy> ompaul: Also for a headless remote installation?
[10:09] <ompaul> I run it, I just don't happen to have a web server reason at this time
[10:09] <bintut> DBO and sfar:  i don't know what to change.. shall i just change all the "breezy" words to "dapper"?
[10:09] <DBO> RealMurphy, yes it is, but you will want to modify its default config (of course)
[10:09] <RealMurphy> Madpilot: *gr*
[10:09] <DBO> bintut, you got it
[10:09] <bintut> DBO: thanks..
[10:09] <RealMurphy> DBO: Yes, but how, the usual debootstrap way or is there another approach?
[10:10] <RealMurphy> ompaul: with headless I mean, I have only an ssh connection (or serial over LAN) without the possibility to access any CD-drive
[10:11] <BoyDubai> does it mean that everytime i create a new file i can't edit it unless i use sudo or change the permission?
[10:11] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, new files you create in directories you own should be OK
[10:12] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, was the file you tried to edit moved to Ubuntu from elsewhere?
[10:12] <BoyDubai> the files is in my /home/myuser/javafiles
[10:12] <Overand> RealMurphy: it had better be, i'm moving an unbunto box into a colo in a week or three
[10:12] <Overand> after i do a 'burn-in' test
[10:12] <BoyDubai> nope... it was in the ubuntu since beginning and in the same directory
[10:12] <ompaul> bintut,  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). read this page - where it says hoary place the word breezy and where it says breezy place the word dapper https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:13] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, odd. Check the permissions on the directory it's in, then
[10:13] <Auckland_Pig> my ubuntu uptime is 14 days & going .... lol the longest my computer has been up
[10:13] <Auckland_Pig> :)
[10:13] <RealMurphy> Overand: I've done the debootstrap way 2.5 yrs ago with *beep* and foudn it tedious, so, how are you planning to perform the install?
[10:14] <Overand> ubunto?  heh.  ubuntu
[10:14] <ompaul> bintut, the dapper conversations take place in the channel #ubuntu+1
[10:14] <Overand> RealMurphy: with a CD =]   it's already installed
[10:14] <sfar> hm.. if i search the wiki for titles named "fstab" i get a wierd result
[10:14] <RealMurphy> Overand: O K... unfortunetaly, that's not an option.. maybe I'll just try to install it with pbuilders "native" base systen and try to start from there
[10:15] <RealMurphy> Anyway, thanks a lot folks!
[10:15] <BoyDubai> Madpilot, i'm a newbie in linux... how can i check the permission?
[10:15] <Auckland_Pig> BoyDubai: right click the file and click permissions (if you are using gnome)
[10:15] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, open the file manager, right-click on the directory or file, choose Properties
[10:15] <BoyDubai> ok
[10:15] <BoyDubai> thanks
[10:15] <Auckland_Pig> BoyDubai: or use the terminal and do ls -l in that directory
[10:16] <ompaul> BoyDubai, ls -al filename using a terminal Applications - Accessories - Terminal
[10:16] <cyphase> how do you use wget to download file.ext to file2.ext?
[10:16] <cyphase> oops
[10:16] <cyphase> misworded
[10:16] <cyphase> how do you use wget to save file.ext as file2.ext
[10:17] <cyphase> ompaul, sorry :S
[10:17] <RealMurphy> cyphase: ? --output-document=file perhaps?
[10:17] <cyphase> RealMurphy, thanx
[10:17] <cyphase> i missed it, i only saw the log file version
[10:18] <bintut> what is "restricted" in my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:18] <ompaul> cyphase, it tends to save the file with an extention of file.ext and file.ext.1 for copies of same
[10:18] <cyphase> i know
[10:18] <cyphase> but i need to be able to name it
[10:18] <bintut> do i need the "restricted" word in my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:18] <Madpilot> bintut, yes
[10:18] <Jimmey__> Just quickly, how can I kill a process dead in it's tracks, if it's not ending after I end it using the system monitor?
[10:19] <BoyDubai> i've sent the text in the pastebin... please check.
[10:20] <Terminus> Jimmey__: kill -9 $process_id
[10:20] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, paste your pastebin URL?
[10:21] <ompaul> Jimmey__, if it was the file "foo" that was running killall foo kill -9 $PID (as above) and if it is a gui you can fire up xkill and move the mouse over the window and kaboom - not nice but there ya go
[10:21] <BoyDubai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12491
[10:21] <BoyDubai> the .java file is owned by root... why?
[10:22] <BoyDubai> maybe i just didn't notice... i might have used sudo gedit helloworldapp.java... does it automatically owned by root?
[10:22] <GNU_Style> bintut, hey
[10:22] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, use chmod in the terminal to get ownership back
[10:22] <GNU_Style> bintut, u from PH?
[10:24] <bintut> GNU_Style: yeah. you?
[10:25] <GNU_Style> bintut, PH too
[10:25] <GNU_Style> bintut, Were in the PH?
[10:26] <bintut> GNU_Style: currently in mandaluyong city.. in a few hours, i'll be in pasig city..  you?
[10:26] <GNU_Style> bintut, you in a car or something?
[10:26] <GNU_Style> im in cebu
[10:27] <bintut> GNU_Style: nope.  i'm in our office..  have we met already?
[10:27] <GNU_Style> bintut, no, ur nick sounds so PH thats why im asking
[10:28] <bintut> GNU_Style: oh!  :D
[10:28] <renewip> Hi, where can I find BIG Ubuntu logo to make our Ubuntu User Group's uniform?
[10:28] <BoyDubai> Madpilot, i changed the ownership but i think i made a mistake... it became ----------   1 root  root   261 2006-04-18 12:05 HelloWorldApp.java
[10:28] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, looks like you messed up all the permissions w/o changing ownership - chown changes ownership
[10:29] <BoyDubai> i used chmod
[10:29] <BoyDubai> :)
[10:30] <Madpilot> renewip, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[10:30] <bintut> BoyDubai:  find . -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' ';' ; find . -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' ';'
[10:30] <Madpilot> BoyDubai, "sudo chown username:username name-of-file"
[10:31] <bintut> BoyDubai:  sudo find . -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' ';' ; sudo find . -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' ';'
[10:31] <bintut> BoyDubai:  sudo chown username:default_group name_of_file
[10:34] <KenSentMe> good morning
[10:35] <kylian> Hi all
[10:35] <monsterb> hi
[10:35] <kylian> How are you ?
[10:36] <monsterb> good and u?
[10:36] <kylian> me too thks
[10:36] <BoyDubai> thanks! it works now.
[10:36] <monsterb> It's bedtime - goodnight :)
[10:37] <kylian> me too , I'm in my school
[10:37] <kylian> Bye Monsterb
[10:37] <Antonio\\> Hi All
[10:37] <kylian> Hi guys
[10:38] <Antonio\\> how are u ?
[10:38] <kylian> fine thks and you ?
[10:39] <Antonio\\> me too : )
[10:39] <kylian> okay
[10:39] <Antonio\\> what do u do ? =x
[10:39] <ompaul> Antonio\\, have a chat with each other in the lab
[10:39] <kylian> Would you like to fuck you ?
[10:39] <Antonio\\> what did u say ?
[10:40] <ompaul> Antonio\\, you and kylian are both on the same ip
[10:40] <IRCMonkey_> Hi , i wanted to install dapper drake alpha , can i install it without any  media?
[10:40] <Jimmey__> ubotu: tell kylian about swear
[10:41] <Jimmey__> IRCMonkey, try #ubuntu+1
[10:41] <IRCMonkey_> thanks
[10:41] <munzir> Hi, I downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060411/dapper-dvd-amd64.iso and it gave me a root prompt after this error: kernel direct mapping tables upto ffff810100000000 @ .... can't access tty; job control turned off.
[10:42] <revartj> hello
[10:42] <Gent_> as soon as I find a good background it's screenshot time
[10:42] <revartj> i am working whith c++ and process administration whit pipe,fifo, etc ....
[10:43] <revartj> somebody could said me why ubuntu is bloqueade
[10:45] <BoyDubai> is antivirus necessary in linux like ubuntu?
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> BoyDubai: Most likely not, unless you're running an e-mail server or something.
[10:45] <ompaul> BoyDubai, no
[10:46] <matrix> #ubuntu+1
[10:46] <BoyDubai> ok
[10:46] <BoyDubai> thanks!
[10:47] <BoyDubai> now... i'm starting to like Ubuntu. :) this is my first time to use linux... and i'm enjoying it.
[10:47] <BoyDubai> confusing command lines... etc.
[10:47] <BoyDubai> :)
[10:47] <munzir> BoyDubai: command lines to do what?
[10:48] <BoyDubai> command lines to do almost everything (update... install, etc.) ... coz i'm a windows slave and everything is just a simple click.
[10:49] <matrix> Can i install Dapper Drake alpha over Net like Debian? Some Body please hep me i am very eager to install it
[10:51] <KenSentMe> matrix: check #ubuntu+1
[10:51] <matrix> ok thanks
[10:52] <munzir> BoyDubai: but it's not necessary to use command line!
[10:52] <munzir> BoyDubai: you can do all these things with the lame clicking too
[10:52] <v3rmap> Hi, when I start any gnome application in Dapper Flight 6, I get the following warnings:
[10:52] <buttfukc> boydubai how long of you had ubuntu
[10:52] <v3rmap> (xchat-gnome:7170): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[10:53] <v3rmap> (xchat-gnome:7170): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[10:53] <v3rmap> Any suggestions on how we can get these warnings to go away.
[10:53] <Madpilot> v3rmap, try #ubuntu+1 for Dapper questions
[10:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> No one is in dapper to even answer any questions
[10:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> ] OR at least awake/alive
[10:54] <Madpilot> buttfukc, find a nicer nick, please
[10:56] <felyx>
[10:56] <felyx> hi all
[10:58] <felyx>      ?
[10:58] <NeoBee> hey, can someone tell how to install a new monitor. i'm replacing my previous one.
[10:58] <Madpilot> NeoBee, just plug it in?
[10:59] <NeoBee> it changes it resolution.
[10:59] <ompaul> felyx, this is an english language channel
[10:59] <felyx> thanks
[10:59] <Gent_> bwuhahah
[10:59] <Gent_> this is it!
[10:59] <NeoBee> Madpilot, it is not the same resolution as it was with my older monitor.
[11:00] <Gent_> oh my god
[11:00] <Madpilot> NeoBee, System->Prefs->Screen Res.
[11:00] <Gent_> it kinda looks like longhorn
[11:00] <Gent_> :(
[11:00] <Madpilot> Gent_, mind not abusing your Enter key so much?
[11:00] <ompaul> Gent_, please put all your thoughts on one line and stop using the enter key as a comma, thanks
[11:00] <NeoBee> Madpilot, i only have one option left there.
[11:00] <Gent_> bah, you kids and your demands.  There, is that better?
[11:01] <kgoetz> hi folks. how do you change the default application for something? 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure defaults' or similar?
[11:01] <kgoetz> i need to get the .doc extention changed from abiword to openoffice :S
[11:01] <NeoBee> Madpilot, there is only one option there which is not what i really want.
[11:01] <Madpilot> !tell NeoBee about fixres
[11:01] <munzir> BoyDubai: you can use syaptic or adept e.g
[11:02] <ompaul> kgoetz, no sudo update-alternatives --all << or --all can be the function
[11:02] <kgoetz> ompaul, thanks :)
[11:02] <NeoBee> Madpilot, do you have any site to recommend that i could read on?
[11:03] <Madpilot> NeoBee, see the pm the bot just sent you
[11:03] <kgoetz> ompaul, would i run 'update-alternatives openoffice' or 'update-alternatives doc'?
[11:03] <redarrow> 'lo all
[11:03] <NeoBee> Madpilot, thanks.
[11:04] <kgoetz> hi redarrow
[11:04] <nana_> hi
[11:05] <ompaul> kgoetz, wrong way, no that is tied in by the wm - you should have a look at that program your looking at default application
[11:05] <nana_> i want to my ntfs driver to be read but I don't know how to set permission
[11:05] <redarrow> I've just installed breezy on a rather old machine.. anyone know how to get a serial mouse working? setup from a terminal..
[11:05] <nana_> and how can i access root? or command sa
[11:06] <kgoetz> ompaul, i'v just got the man page up - i cant hopefully take it from here :)
[11:06] <Madpilot> !+ntfs
[11:06] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:06] <Madpilot> nana_, see the URLs above ^^^
[11:06] <nana_> ubotu : it is automatically mounted but it requires permisson
[11:06] <ubotu> nana_: what are you talking about?
[11:07] <dooglus> I'm only getting USB1.1 speeds on my USB2 interface - how can I speed it up
[11:07] <dooglus> ?
[11:08] <Madpilot> nana_, ubotu is a bot
[11:11] <xukun> Anybody know why I get this errors on console after I start xchat from console? (xchat:23977): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_scale: assertion `src != NULL' failed
[11:11] <xukun> )
[11:11] <xukun> it just goes and goes on!
[11:11] <nana_> thanks all
[11:12] <fateminasab> Everytime i log in ubuntu i should change the modem file permission in /dev folder. What should i do?
[11:13] <eytyxios> Hi! I am a new user of linux and i have a problem with a backup DVDRW i made.I cannot access the drive and the files unless i use the console. my fstab states #/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0#, should i change it to auto? Anyway accessing the dvd from the console i copy my files with # cp -rv /media/cdrom/* /media/hde7/backup# ut i get some folders with ?????(invalide encoding). These folder
[11:13] <eytyxios> s contain files with greek names ("windows-age" but the disk i made it over mandrake with k3b, my first linux sys). any ideas?
[11:14] <Gent_> http://www.dotink.org/~gent/content/Images/Screenshots/ubuntuppc-1.png   and    http://www.dotink.org/~gent/content/Images/Screenshots/ubuntuppc-2.png
[11:15] <pax> eyeris://  I think you answered it, change it to auto, see what gives.
[11:15] <shinu> is there a package for mdf2iso on the repos?
[11:15] <kgoetz> i tried what ompaul sugested, but i'm not sure what do to if there is no setting for the program i need to change in update-alternatives
[11:16] <ompaul> kgoetz, wrong way, no that is tied in by the wm - you should have a look at that program your looking at default application
[11:16] <ompaul> as I said already
[11:16] <eytyxios> this auto is olny for he mount problem, how about the language? it gives invalide encoding with the file names....
[11:17] <kgoetz> ompaul, i dont follow
[11:18] <BoyDubai> in windows there/s an option to access a VPN using Network Connections... in ubuntu, what's its equivalent?
[11:18] <charles`> BoyDubai: depends on the VPN
[11:18] <charles`> BoyDubai: you can get the cisco client for linux
[11:18] <charles`> anyone know if there is somthing like easyubuntu for dapper?
[11:18] <BoyDubai> what do u mean depends on VPN?
[11:19] <charles`> BoyDubai: I mean it depends on the type of VPN
[11:19] <eytyxios> this is the error i get trying to access the cdrom ###Warning: device /dev/hdc is already handled by /etc/fstab, supplied label is ignored
[11:19] <eytyxios> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[11:19] <eytyxios> mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[11:19] <eytyxios> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc is already mounted on /media/cdrom0
[11:19] <eytyxios> Error: could not execute pmount###
[11:20] <BoyDubai> charles`, in windows it's so easy to set up... i just enter the ip add and then that's it.... i don't know which type of VPN. once i'm connected i can use their internet and open sql
[11:21] <eytyxios> ls /media
[11:21] <eytyxios> cdrom  cdrom0  hda1  hde7  hde8  hdg1  hdh1
[11:22] <eytyxios> i have 2 entries for cdrom, but from gnome i get none
[11:22] <eytyxios> ....
[11:22] <charles`> BoyDubai: when I want to VPN to my school in windows I have to install the cisco VPN client, and I have to do the same in linux
[11:23] <Bizzeh> hey
[11:23] <BoyDubai> currently in our office, if i want to VPN our europe ofc all i do is just set up a VPN using the Network Connections  and that's it. nothing else to install.
[11:24] <pax> BoyDubai: have you tried http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
[11:24] <Bizzeh> im stuck in a recovery cd here trying to get grub to install properly
[11:24] <Bizzeh> ubuntu installed it to the wrong place
[11:24] <BoyDubai> let me check...
[11:24] <BoyDubai> thanks.
[11:25] <Bizzeh> my first boot drive on my bios is what grub calls hd2
[11:25] <Bizzeh> my /boot partition is at around 200gb on my hdd, and around 30mb in size, and is partition 1 (0 is windows)
[11:25] <pax> BoyDubai: np, they even have a GUI for it.
[11:26] <BoyDubai> ok
[11:26] <BoyDubai> pax, thanks!
[11:26] <pax> BoyDubai: ahleen.
[11:27] <BuFF> how to change wallpaper into: "640x480 with 14 color" ?
[11:27] <docko> hi please can anyone help me? i'm trying to wget one file and i'm getting this error message: Error parsing proxy URL http://:7212/: Invalid host name... it is not needed to use wget through a proxy here. i know i can use the --no-proxy directive, but i don't know how to turn off this proxy setting completely
[11:28] <docko> BuFF, 14 color? do you mean 16?
[11:29] <dooglus> docko: does "env | grep 7212" show anything?
[11:30] <docko> dooglus, http_proxy=http://:7212/
[11:30] <dooglus> docko: unset that
[11:30] <dooglus> docko: "unset http_proxy"
[11:30] <docko> dooglus, great, that hepled, thanks! :-) i didn't know the unset command :-)
[11:31] <dooglus> docko: it's not permanent - it only works in the current shell
[11:31] <dooglus> docko: you'll need to find how it's getting set if you want to unset it permanently
[11:31] <docko> dooglus, ok thanks
[11:31] <dooglus> docko: "grep 7212 ~/.*" perhaps
[11:32] <BuFF> docko: i wanna change a grub picture and it needs 14 color pic
[11:33] <dooglus> I'm using a pcmcia card in my laptop to give me a USB2.0 port, and I'm plugging a USB-to-Ethernet adaptor into that.  My maximum download speed is around 150 KB/s, even on the LAN.  Why?  How can I fix it?
[11:34] <holycow> on the off chancethat someone might know ... does anyone know how to change font size from mm to points?  for some reason fonts default in oo to mm and not pt ...  nothing in options about this either
[11:35] <docko> BuFF, i'm not very familiar with those graphical programs, but i think gimp could do that
[11:40] <shinu> are there any services for the mouse that i can restart? it suddenly got kinda 'slow' to move
[11:42] <holycow> shinu, logout, log back in.  chances are your video driver is borkin
[11:42] <holycow> g
[11:48] <holycow> !openoffice.org2
[11:48] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, holycow
[11:48] <holycow> !openoffice
[11:48] <ubotu> holycow: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:48] <holycow> wtf?
[11:48] <holycow> !openoffice.org
[11:48] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, holycow
[11:48] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell holycow about msg the bot
[11:49] <holycow> go away dude, i didn't ask you anything
[11:49] <LordKahless> anyone here who compiles their own kernel?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> holycow: if that was directed towards me than you need to re-read the irc rules and the bot rules
[11:50] <holycow> that was directed at you
[11:51] <LordKahless> if you select Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 as ur processor type while configing your kernel
[11:51] <LordKahless> does that mean you are running 64bit? or is itstill 32 bit?
[11:52] <stamen81> hello, how can I enable the DRI for ATI in Dapper
[11:52] <stamen81> I have preinstalled the xorg-driver-ati and linux-headers
[11:52] <stamen81> loaded the module, and nothing
[11:53] <stamen81> please tell me what to do
[11:53] <LordKahless> buy a geforce :)
[11:53] <LordKahless> what ati card is it?
[11:54] <Frogzoo> stamen81: you want the latest fglrx driver from the seveas repo (if your card can run it) - but yes, the ATI drivers are pretty crap for 3D
[11:54] <Frogzoo> !tell stamen81 about fglrx
[11:54] <Arafangion> Frogzoo: Apparnetly it's dependant on the card.
[11:54] <Arafangion> Frogzoo: Some cards are better with the ATI, and others are better with the free ones.
[11:54] <LordKahless> in my experience, its kinda hit or miss with ati cards
[11:55] <LordKahless> btw, anyone here happen to know
[11:55] <LordKahless> is there a non nvidia non ati card, that has decent 3d accelleration in linux
[11:55] <LordKahless> perhaps without having to use propriety drivers?
[11:55] <Frogzoo> LordKahless: doesn't exist
[11:56] <Frogzoo> these days, for 3d, it's nvidia or ati
[11:56] <stamen81> Frogzoo, so what to do
[11:56] <stamen81> Frogzoo, what to install
[11:56] <LordKahless> is the gma900 intel video supported in linux?
[11:56] <Frogzoo> stamen81: install the fglrx driver if your card supports it, & if the performance still sux, get an nvidia
[11:56] <LordKahless> pretty shitty video, but i have another box im thinking of putting linux on
[11:56] <BoyDubai> pax, this has been what i'm looking for!!!!!!!
[11:57] <BoyDubai> u saved my day!
[11:57] <stamen81> Frogzoo, aaa yes, thank you, and if can send some money :)
[11:57] <pax> BoyDubai: thanks for making me smile.
[11:57] <The-Moon> when i installed nvidia did it install any tools to configure it?
[11:57] <The-Moon> nvidia 3d drivers*
[11:57] <stamen81> Frogzoo, to buy it
[11:57] <holycow> LordKahless, doesn't exist yet, there is a project that is trying to bring one to the market tho with open source drivers
[11:57] <Frogzoo> $$$ -> stamen81
[11:57] <stamen81> Frogzoo, :)
[11:57] <LordKahless> wewt
[11:58] <stamen81> Frogzoo, real please
[11:58] <stamen81> Frogzoo, :)
[11:58] <LordKahless> although, for my gaming box im going to stick with nvidia for the tim\e being
[11:58] <The-Moon> ANyone?
[11:58] <LordKahless> thou im going to have to keep windows on it unfortionatley :|
[11:58] <spikeb> well
[11:58] <spikeb> that's fine
[11:58] <spikeb> it's just a gaming box :P
[11:59] <Frogzoo> LordKahless: interesting, yes the gma900 has a linux driver: http://www.intel.com/design/graphics/gma900/
[11:59] <LordKahless> oooh
[11:59] <LordKahless> i know i can play wow on the gma900
[11:59] <BoyDubai> pax, i think something went wrong...
[11:59] <LordKahless> at least under mac os i can
[11:59] <BoyDubai> i can connect to the tunnel but i can't open the websites...
[12:00] <Arafangion> LordKahless: I'm pretty sure you can play wow on onboard intel cards now.
[12:00] <spikeb> you can
[12:00] <LordKahless> i was suprised when i found it playable under osx86
[12:00] <shinu> holycow: yea, i did that, though im getting quake 3 to work and it doesnt seem to work :/
[12:00] <LordKahless> last time i used onboard video
[12:00] <shinu> holycow: so i need to kill it everytime
[12:00] <LordKahless> was on my amd k6-2 400mhz
[12:00] <spikeb> heh
[12:00] <LordKahless> max payne ran at 800x600 :D
[12:00] <pax> BoyDubai: ask the admin how things are setup on their end.
[12:00] <spikeb> nvidia and ati both have onboard stuff as well
[12:00] <holycow> shimmmy, so what video card do you have?
[12:01] <spikeb> though i dont know how well supported the ati stuff is
[12:01] <holycow> sorry that was meant for shinu
[12:01] <LeaChim> What's a good graphical program to turn a load of vob,ifo,bup files into the DVD they came from - they aren't in any sort of directory structure either
[12:01] <holycow> shinu, also check your processes to see if something isn't consuming all your cpu cycles (this mostly can't be a problem on linux but just incase)
[12:02] <LordKahless> my old socket a board had an onboard geforce 4 mx
[12:02] <BoyDubai> ok... thanks!
[12:02] <BoyDubai> pax, let me just my connection in windows and i'll try to see the similiarities and differences. though i was able to connect ... there are some sites that do not open.
[12:03] <spikeb> nvidia's nforce stuff is supported now i believe. not bad stuff.
[12:03] <mmopi> hi
[12:03] <shinu> holycow: ive got an onboard one with my laptop, and ill check the processes, thanks
[12:03] <pax> BoyDubai: for your windows box, you can just use RDP.
[12:03] <Frogzoo> spikeb: the consensus seems to be that nvidia's linux drivers are significantly better for 3d than ati's
[12:04] <mmopi> what about virus attack
[12:04] <spikeb> Frogzoo, that's true.
[12:04] <spikeb> Frogzoo, they can't be any worse, i speak from experience with ATI drivers.
[12:05] <spikeb> to be fair to ATI, they make crappy windows drivers too
[12:05] <spikeb> heh
[12:05] <Frogzoo> my lappie is has a radeon *cries*
[12:05] <spikeb> heh, my mac mini does as well
[12:05] <mmopi> i need an answer pliz
[12:06] <Frogzoo> mmopi: viruses are almost _almost_ unknown in unix operating systems
[12:07] <mmopi> so unix is virus free...
[12:07] <Frogzoo> mmopi: definately did NOT say that, read again
[12:08] <pax> nmopi, not if you code one.
[12:08] <Frogzoo> mmopi: the point of the matter is, unix's security model makes it extremely difficult to write working viruses
[12:09] <mmopi> so what about the applications like accpac and vip payroll is it compatiable or not?
[12:10] <DBO> Frogzoo, more to the point, its not writing the virus that is the issue, its getting it to spread
[12:11] <LeaChim> What's a good graphical program to turn a load of vob,ifo,bup files into the DVD they came from - they aren't in any sort of directory structure either
[12:11] <Toma-> LeaChim: throw it all in VIDEO_TS then make an ISO with the VIDEO_TS dir at the root, and try loading the ISO with mplayer
[12:12] <mmopi> when it comes to networking,unix is user friendly now my problem is the applications to work with it.
[12:13] <BuFF> how to kill a program for example xmms ?
[12:13] <Toma-> BuFF: use either xkill or 'killall xmms' in a terminal
[12:13] <simpo> hi! i have problems with eth0 interface :/ its missing... i have all network card modules modprobed and my /etc/network/interfaces looks good, but there are no eth0, any ideas ?
[12:14] <BuFF> thanks
[12:14] <mmopi> frogzoo, are online?
[12:16] <gyro_54> hows this! my screensaver shuts down the monitor after 10 minutes. Then the monitor turns back on then the computer goes into blank standby with the monotor still powered up. Any suggetions?
[12:16] <Toma-> gyro_54: turn off DPMS in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:17] <gyro_54> Thanks
[12:17] <Frogzoo> mmopi: if you want to run windows apps under linux, take a look at wine
[12:17] <Toma-> gyro_54: it MIGHT work :D
[12:18] <Toma-> bbl.
[12:18] <redarrow> ok.. now this is a weird error: I added a "Modem Monitor" to the panel, right clicked and selected properties, it asked me for the root password... I must have entered it incorrectly cos it said "Incorrect password".. now every time I try select "properties" it says "You have eneterd an Incorrect password" - but it never asks for the password! ???
[12:19] <gyro_54> It worked perfect until I changed to an ATI card
[12:19] <redarrow> any ideas?
[12:19] <Frogzoo> gyro_54: suggest you try the fglrx driver from the seveas repo, if your card supports it
[12:19] <Frogzoo> !tell gyro_54 about fglrx
[12:21] <Frogzoo> redarrow: remove it & readd to menu bar
[12:22] <redarrow> Frogzoo: I tried that.. I even removed it, logged out and readded it.. same result
[12:22] <mmopi> frogzoo i`m still waiting for my answer pliz!
[12:22] <Frogzoo> redarrow: try dpkg -S to see where the passwd's being stored - however, ubuntu has no root password you know?
[12:22] <Ilokaaaasu> I need help! I need to get my laptops tvout working, problem is that its not nvidia/ati card but intel one, using i810
[12:22] <Frogzoo> mmopi: ^^
[12:23] <mmopi> is it compatiable with accpac and vip payroll or not?
[12:23] <redarrow> Frogzoo: what do you mean no root password? I most certainly was asked to specify one on installation..
[12:24] <highvoltage> !root
[12:24] <ubotu> [root]  Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:24] <Frogzoo> redarrow: just that, there's no root passwd - check in /etc/shadow if you don't believe me
[12:24] <burepe> Help, my working tv tuner card lost video. Now I have sound and a black screen, More info here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=929416#post929416
[12:25] <spikeb> no you aren't asked for a root password upon installing ubuntu
[12:25] <morfic> are there experimental amd64 livecd that are newer than 5.10, maybe kernel, but mostly newer xorg?
[12:25] <mmopi> frogzoo, is unix compatiable with accpac or not?
[12:25] <redarrow> sorry.. not on my install.. I can Ctrl+Alt+F1 to terminal and log in as root
[12:25] <Frogzoo> morfic: take a look at dapper - but as it's beta atm, you might experience 'issues'
[12:26] <redarrow> and it is in /etc/shadow
[12:26] <spikeb> brb
[12:26] <morfic> Frogzoo: 5.10 livecd wont start X, can't be much worse
[12:26] <Frogzoo> mmopi: I have no idea what kind of accpac is - it might run under wine, it might not - or the vendors might offer a linux version
[12:27] <redarrow> I installed "expert mode" btw
[12:27] <Frogzoo> morfic: truth be told, the performance of the 686 kernel is almost as good as a64, and everything works
[12:28] <Frogzoo> morfic: also, your progs man page should document where the password is stored
[12:28] <mmopi> ok, frogzoo now i get your point
[12:28] <Gent_> Anyone else here use xcompmgr on a regular basis?
[12:29] <morfic> Frogzoo: got a url on a dapper livecd? google so far only finds forum posts talking about it
[12:30] <morfic> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/  got it
[12:30] <hyphenated> flight-6 would be better right now. and #ubuntu+1 would be the right channel ;-)
[12:30] <morfic> thanks frogzoo
[12:30] <morfic> hyphenated: oh, ok, thanks+1
[12:31] <Frogzoo> morfic: yw
[12:32] <robin_> test
[12:32] <robin_> test
[12:32] <Frogzoo> fail
[12:32] <robin_> it works :)
[12:35] <Frogzoo> can anyone suggest something like ping, but works with a destn mac address, not an IP?
[12:35] <hyphenated> heh, that reads like the unit testing in the company I work at ;-) "test, test, fail. conclusion - it works"
[12:35] <hyphenated> Frogzoo: arping ?
[12:36] <Frogzoo> hyphenated: is there a pkg?
[12:36] <STiKi-> Hello.
[12:36] <hyphenated> Frogzoo: in universe, yes
[12:36] <Frogzoo> hyphenated: installing now, thx
[12:36] <STiKi-> I
[12:36] <STiKi-> oops
[12:36] <fart> how do you disable clicking from the little black mouse thing on a laptop
[12:37] <Frogzoo> fart: more details please?
[12:37] <STiKi-> I'd like to change a KDM theme. On kde-look.org it says to change ~/.kde/share/config/kdmrc. There's no such file. When I create it and paste what thay say anything happends.
[12:37] <STiKi-> Is there some easy way to change KDM theme?
[12:38] <fart> frogzoo the thing you glide your fingure arcossed
[12:38] <fart> its like a mouse