[02:51] <JanC> hm, I just had an idea: why is there no integration between ecryptfs (or encfs) & ubuntuone?
[07:04] <trijntje> Hi all, are there any plans to allow for the translation of the web interface?
[10:03] <milman> Hey guys. Suddenly Tomboy stopped syncing, and I've found this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/850760), which seems to be the same problem. issue is "Won't Fix", without any reason.
[10:07] <milman> ahh! found how to fix it. disconnect from ubuntu-one (clear, from tomboy), and reconnect again.
[13:13] <trijntje> Hi all, are there any plans to allow for the translation of the web interface?
[13:47] <jgdx> trijntje: hi, take a look at this answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29839/how-to-translate-ubuntu-one-web-ui/29916#29916
[13:48] <trijntje> jgdx: I had seen that, but it's already quite old, so I was wondering if there are any new plans
[13:48] <trijntje> I mean, ubuntu is already translated by volunteers, and they could already do quite some PR damage if they decide to go evil. So I'm not sure why ubuntu one would be different
[13:50] <jgdx> trijntje: sorry, I am unable to answer that. If you hang around though, I am sure come monday someone will give you a better answer.
[13:57] <trijntje> jgdx: No problem, I'll ask again later. Thanks!
[21:41] <gordonjcp> hello
[21:41] <gordonjcp> I'm trying to pay for music streaming, but I can't
[21:41] <gordonjcp> there appears to be no way to use either a debit card or a paypal account backed by a debit card


[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78130 in mono (main) "Mono crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78130
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78131 in sysinfo (universe) "sysinfo crashes with "Aborted (core dumped)"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78131
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78132 in kxdocker (universe) "Kxdocker will not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78132
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78134 in plucker (universe) "plucker package cannot be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78134
[01:28] <bddebian> Boo
[01:29] <TLE> say what now
[01:57] <Shadow42> It's the Hug Day!
[01:57] <`6og> oh, so it is
[01:58] <Nafallo> oh!
[01:58] <Nafallo> what day? :-)
[01:58] <Nafallo> hi giskard! :-)
[01:59] <giskard> hello Nafallo
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78137 in update-manager (main) "Distribution upgrade: Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78137
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78139 in avra (universe) "Please sync avra (universe) from unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78139
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78138 in openssl (main) "libssl and libssl-dev packages out of sync" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78138
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78140 in lirc (main) "lirc-modules-source  doesn't compile with kernel 2.6.20 (and probably 2.6.19)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78140
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78141 in Ubuntu "usb causes crashing at boot time (partial workaround inlcuded)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78141
[02:51] <zul> join #ubuntu-motu
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78142 in hal (main) "hal need to allowed utf8 option for ntfs fs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78142
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78144 in squirrelmail (universe) "CVE-2006-6142 Cross site scripting in compose, draft & HTML mail viewing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78144
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78145 in wordpress (universe) "XSS and SQL injections" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78145
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78146 in slab (universe) "gnome-main-menu keeps crashing when adding to GNOME panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78146
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78147 in gxine (main) "Crashed when opening file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78147
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78148 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "restricted modules for 2.6.20-4 causes boot to hang" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78148
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78149 in firefox (main) "crash when clicked on a link pointing to a .jar file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78149
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78150 in kchmviewer (universe) "[Fesity MoM]  Merge Kcmhviewer_2.7-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78150
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78151 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "dvb-usb-wt220u-02.fw not available in restricted modules package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78151
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78152 in control-center (main) "gconfd-2 process doesnt die on gnome-control-centre close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78152
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78153 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes in Bookmarks Toolbar properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78153
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76374 in clamav (universe) "MIME bypass" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76374
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78154 in Ubuntu "Feisty installer/OS crashes after selecting keyboard layout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78154
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78155 in kdebluetooth (main) "fd.o compliant *.desktop files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78155
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78156 in gnome-panel (main) "no-click pixel on far right for applets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78156
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78157 in firefox (main) "I was on hi5 listening to music and trying to send a text to a friend when fire fox froze." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78157
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78158 in evince-gtk (main) "Evince freezes when launched from browser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78158
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78159 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78159
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78160 in ubiquity (main) "Crashes when trying to edit partition details" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78160
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78161 in glibc (main) "[sparc]  unable to link against optimized libpthread due to wrong symbols" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78161
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78162 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crash in Standby" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78162
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78163 in acpi (main) "cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state returns closed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78163
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78164 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash on startup after deleting Inbox.msf and copying different Inbox-file to mail directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78164
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78165 in devscripts (main) "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78165
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78166 in ubiquity (main) "Feisty daily build installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78166
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78167 in azureus (universe) "azureus crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78167
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78168 in firefox (main) "firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78168
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78169 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Sun Java 6 Web Start Menu Entry missing "-viewer" command line argument" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78169
[10:47] <persia> To whom should a request to drop a package from a single architecture in the archive be assigned?
[10:49] <crimsun> normally you'd file a bug against the source package and subscribe ubuntu-archive. What's the context?
[10:50] <crimsun> i.e., don't assign
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78170 in ubiquity (main) "Installer fails when configuring GRUB ref to 70730" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78170
[10:50] <a7p> persia, there is selfassignment only (normally)
[10:55] <persia> crimsun: It's bug #32460.  I'll subscribe ubuntu-archive.  Thanks.
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32460 in supercollider "Uninstallable in dapper AMD64" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32460
[10:59] <crimsun> hmm.
[10:59] <crimsun> that probably doesn't need u-a intervention
[10:59] <crimsun> we could probably hack that explicitly in debian/control
[11:00] <persia> crimsun: That was done several versions ago, but the AMD64 binaries for the old, old build are still in the archive (even with feisty)
[11:01] <crimsun> feisty's the only one that can be "fixed"
[11:01] <crimsun> frozen archives can't be unfrozen to "fix" that
[11:03] <persia> crimsun: No, of course not :)  It's just that supercollider for other architectures is fairly recent, but I'd like to see this package deleted.
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78171 in geany (universe) "Crash after editing file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78171
[11:59] <pascal80> What is Malone bug Milestone setting used for?
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78172 in shadow (main) "Segfault when trying to cancel setting password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78172
[12:21] <TLE> pascal80: As I understand it. It is meant to be used if a certain bug/upgrade is a vital part of a certain future release. It is not meant to be used very often, and only be Ubuntu devels
[12:23] <pascal80> TLE, Thanks, how do we leave a bug open for a previous release of Ubuntu and fixed for a newer release?
[12:24] <TLE> Well I suppose you just the report open with a comment that it has been fixed in a newer version.
[12:25] <TLE> But as I remember it, it also depend on how serious it is.
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78173 in gnome-utils (main) "can't look up words in Dictionary" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78173
[12:26] <TLE> pascal80: Is it serious enough to warrant a backport, or a update of the old package. And in what distribution ?
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78174 in irm (universe) "UCF: Missing dependency for Post-inst script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78174
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78175 in debconf (main) "gnome frontend not working without libtext-iconv-perl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78175
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71886 in firefox (main) "Crash with browser idle during the night (dup-of: 71605)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71886
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78176 in gnome-panel (main) "Alt Printscreen on some web pages causes a crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78176
[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78177 in Ubuntu "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78177
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78178 in mysql-connector-java (multiverse) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78178
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76346 in linux-meta (main) "Update to Forcedeth 0.56 required" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76346
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78179 in Ubuntu "Edgy: yellow is brown in consol/terminal (eg, printf)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78179
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78180 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Cannot upgrade between ubuntu releases if you remove ubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78180
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78181 in knetworkmanager (main) "intermittent WPA connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78181
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78182 in mc (universe) "mc crashes while copying a file >4gb to vfat partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78182
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78183 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox-dbg should be removed from the archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78183
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78184 in kdebase (main) "??" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78184
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78186 in ubuntu-meta (main) "installation crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78186
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78187 in Ubuntu "Hitting the accent key causes system beep" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78187
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78188 in ktorrent (main) "KTorrent tray sometimes ends up in weird places" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78188
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78189 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xgl crashed will using eclipse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78189
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78190 in totem (main) "firefox doesn't play file.mov" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78190
[03:55] <bddebian> Boo
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78192 in apport (main) "apport crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78192
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78191 in metacity (main) "Metacity (and X Server) crashed when starting beryl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78191
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78193 in firefox (main) "Every time I try to post a reply in LiveJournal.com, Firefox closes - shuts down." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78193
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78195 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "2.6.19-7.11 no longer boots on Dell E520" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78195
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78196 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ACPI: EC: evaluating _Q80" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78196
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78197 in mono (main) "Mono crashed while PC was idle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78197
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78198 in mono (main) "Mono crashed when i was closing thunderbird mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78198
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78199 in evolution (main) "evolution problems making a listserv" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78199
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78200 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all (main) "Missing Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> Hebrew language pack " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78200
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71648 in briquolo (universe) "When I was playing the first level, it died" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71648
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78201 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "Network history display incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78201
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78202 in Ubuntu "Selecting firefox as preferred browser isnt remembered correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78202
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78203 in vlc (universe) "vlc crash unexpected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78203
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78204 in firefox (main) "Firefox cant cope with default browser setting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78204
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78205 in Ubuntu "major usb detection problems in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78205
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78207 in eog (main) "[Crash]  Clicked in image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78207
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78208 in gnome-session (main) "Session should be saved on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78208
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78206 in firefox (main) "Crash while loading http://www.sopcast.org/channel/chreg.jsp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78206
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78209 in kubuntu-meta (main) "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78210 in gnome-session (main) "Asking user whether to save the session doesnt work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78210
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78211 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "Crashes constantly; attached one report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78211
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78212 in mythtv (multiverse) "frequent crashes of frontend and setup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78212
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78213 in mjpegtools (multiverse) "DVDshrink crashes while running -mjpegtools" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78213
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78214 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashes repeatedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78214
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78216 in ogle (universe) "Crash while playing a DVD from an ISO" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78216
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78217 in xubuntu-default-settings (main) "file manager is too hard to find on xubuntu, more launchers on panel?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78217
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78219 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "core dump when applying sorting options to playlists" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78219
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78218 in ubiquity (main) "the installer crashes when starting partition tool in a macbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78218
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78221 in Ubuntu "Sleep failure when using bluetooth mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78221
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78222 in netpanzer (universe) "Netpanzer Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78222
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78223 in Ubuntu "swsusp fails to resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78223
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78224 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel oops in sata_promise" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78224
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78225 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed-trying to install Mint on laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78225
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78226 in Ubuntu "Edgy corrupts USB memory stick - both i386 and x86_64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78226
[08:30] <Laibsch> Hey guys
[08:31] <Laibsch> How do I move all bugs from package flash-player to install-flash-player (and get somebody to delete the flash-player category to be listed)?
[08:31] <Laibsch> Talking about http://packages.ubuntu.com/flashplayer-mozilla
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78227 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Update to latest sata_nv suggested" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78227
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78228 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "External monitor does not work with radion mobility M300" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78228
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78229 in hotkey-setup (main) "'hibernate' key doesn't work on inspiron 9300" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78229
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78230 in democracyplayer (universe) "democracy tv crashes panel bars and then itself on "launch at system startup"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78230
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, it seems if I log into my gmail account, I can't answer bugs from there
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> I think this is because I'm also signed into LP
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78231 in Ubuntu "keyboard act's weird after boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78231
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no it turns out, it just lags very much
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78233 in totem (main) "crash after 10 Minute do nothing on the computer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78233
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78234 in gaim (main) "gaim crash just for fun" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78234
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78235 in update-manager (main) "crash when unable to locate file for updated package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78235
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78236 in Ubuntu "NetworkManager Applet doesn't see active connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78236
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78237 in desktop-effects (universe) "desktop-effects not depending on compiz-gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78237
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78238 in Ubuntu "dpkg cannot create file /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78238
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78239 in Ubuntu "Installer crashed unexpeceded with 13 errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78239
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78240 in Ubuntu "Installer crashed unexpeced with 13 errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78240
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78241 in gxine (main) "gxine crashes when attepting to start dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78241
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78242 in ubiquity (main) "instaler crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78242
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78244 in apport (main) "tries to unpack another user's crash file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78244
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78245 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "gnome-volume-manager prompts 2 dialog to import photos when plugging my camera " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78245
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78246 in Ubuntu "Receiving a Critical Tempature Reached Error During Edgy Xubuntu install causing reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78246
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78247 in ktoon (universe) "Crashes on start-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78247
[11:52] <dark> hi is there anyone
[11:52] <dark> I have a strange problem on my laptop keyboard running Edgy Eft
[11:53] <dark> my left and right arrows dont work at all, but my up and down work flawlessly
[11:53] <dark> any q
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> dark: hmm, do what kind of laptop
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> !laptop
[11:54] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[11:55] <dark> I have a tablet pc
[11:55] <dark> HP tc 4400
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78248 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ipv6 autoconfiguration doesn't work anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78248
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> dark: i'd file a bug on it
[11:57] <dark> where did you file it ?
[11:57] <dark> ohhh and btw is there an update on the gnome power monitor bug ?
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Launchpad.net
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> dark: not sure which bug you mean. there are over 20,000 open bugs
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78249 in totem (main) "totem crashes when draging slider while playing dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78249


[07:32] <abhiraj> how does shutdown work with upstart integrated?
[07:33] <abhiraj> /sbin/poweroff doesn't work for me in my busybox
[16:59] <lcapriotti> hi, anyone available for an help?


[07:34] <Brumle> Hi all.
[07:36]  * Brumle is wondering about the status of training. Is there any activity, or is it slowing dwn?
[07:37] <Brumle> I am, or used to be a UCI


[01:17] <bazhang> today is 'I waited five seconds it's dead' day
[01:20] <Unit193> Isn't that every day?
[01:20] <bazhang> the default is 10s
[02:44] <bazhang> xda? is that some android thing
[02:44] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I think it's a forum that helps people root their phones (among other things probably).
[02:48] <bazhang> hehe
[02:48] <bazhang> is this the 'but I use ubuntu so help me fix my bmw'
[13:01] <Pici> huzzah
[13:01] <bazhang> klined
[13:01] <bazhang> @random newstuff emacs
[13:02] <bazhang> what!
[13:02] <Pici> @random vim emacs
[13:02] <Pici> terrible
[13:02] <bazhang> chu has hacked the bot
[13:02] <Pici> clearly
[13:02] <jpds> ubottu: http://www.manuelmagic.me/geek/texteditors/
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <underwear> bazhang 是个傻逼
[13:53] <Pici> hm
[13:54] <Pici> I guess unicode/utf-8 isn't working here properly
[14:26] <k1l_> bazhang got issues with his underwear
[14:26]  * genii twitches
[14:27] <bazhang> icesword amirite
[16:26] <phunyguy> he has been in u-offtopic all morning
[16:26] <phunyguy> should he be banned?
[16:26] <phunyguy> bazhang: ^
[16:27] <bazhang> phunyguy, has he behaved?
[16:27] <genii> Marginally
[16:27] <phunyguy> bazhang: from what I can see, I guess.... Just wasn't sure if it was one of /those/ perma ban folks.
[16:27] <bazhang> afaik we have to catch them doing something, ie pre=emptive is a no no
[16:28] <bazhang> heh
[16:28] <phunyguy> evading, etc
[16:28] <ikonia> just can him
[16:28] <bazhang> he has so many proxies etc
[16:28] <ikonia> he's a known tool
[16:28] <bazhang> might as well try banning cholby
[16:29] <phunyguy> ^
[19:16] <shdefhsdfh> why am I +b
[19:17] <shdefhsdfh> >install gentoo
[19:17] <shdefhsdfh> Jesus christ that's annoying.
[19:18] <shdefhsdfh> Can I get a -b?
[19:18] <shdefhsdfh> >install gentoo
[19:18] <shdefhsdfh> Sorry about that. It's a bug in the IRC client I'm working on
[19:18] <Pici> Get the bug fixed, and we'll remove the bam.
[19:19] <Pici> *ban
[19:19] <shdefhsdfh> Pici: I'm trying to.
[19:19] <Pici> #ubuntu is not for testing clients, use ##test or something
[19:19] <shdefhsdfh> It seems like it might be stuck in an atomic array
[19:19] <shdefhsdfh> I'm not testing my client.
[19:19] <Pici> Thats what you just said
[19:19] <shdefhsdfh> I'm actively using it and It seems like I have a bug not clearing the que completely
[19:20] <shdefhsdfh> can I get -b?
[19:20] <shdefhsdfh> I'm going to just restart my client.
[19:20] <Pici> no
[19:21] <shdefhsdfh> why?>
[19:21] <shdefhsdfh> >install gentoo
[19:21] <shdefhsdfh> gah
[19:22] <Pici> It seems rather obvious from this side of the screen.
[19:22] <shdefhsdfh> Because of a bug in my IRC client?
[19:22] <Pici> Indeed.
[19:22] <shdefhsdfh> I'm restarting it.
[19:22] <Pici> Plus you weren't making any other contributions in there anyway
[19:22] <shdefhsdfh> It's currently running in eclipse's debug mode.
[19:23] <shdefhsdfh> I had just joined.
[19:23] <Pici> through freenode webchat, right.
[19:23] <shdefhsdfh> Pici: I'm designing my client to prevent data harvesting.
[19:24] <shdefhsdfh> as it stands I've set the default client mimic to qwebirc
[19:24] <shdefhsdfh> Tor tunneling is also in the works.
[19:24] <Pici> Thats nice, anyway, the ban stands right now.
[19:25] <shdefhsdfh> why?
[19:26] <shdefhsdfh> because of a bug?
[19:26] <Pici> I've made myself clear already. I'm not going to continue to repeat myself.
[19:27] <shdefhsdfh> You said you banned me because of the bug in my irc client before I could say anything in the channel
[19:27] <shdefhsdfh> I don't understand how that's logical or fair. I have the bug under control now by setting the message ">install gentoo"'s index in the atomic array to the maximum size of int.
[19:27] <shdefhsdfh> It will be quite some time before it sends it again.
[19:28] <ikonia> > /remove shdefhsdfh && /mode +b
[19:28] <ikonia> oops, my clients got a bug too,
[19:28] <shdefhsdfh> Don't exactly see how that's fair.
[19:29] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: You can choose to believe me or not. The truth is the truth m8.
[19:29] <ikonia> > /remove shdefhsdfh && /mode +b
[19:29] <ikonia> my freenode web client, appears to have that bug too
[19:29] <ikonia> I'll report it to freenode
[19:29] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: ....
[19:30] <ikonia> > /remove shdefhsdfh && /mode +b
[19:30] <ikonia> it's still doing it in mine
[19:30] <ikonia> how did you fix it in your client ?
[19:31] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: my custom client (mimic) is wrote in Java and running in eclipse with the java debug by wire debugger attacted.
[19:31] <shdefhsdfh> I can modify properties of objects in memory on the fly.
[19:31] <ikonia> it's funny how you appear to be using freenode brwoser client
[19:31] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: The whole idea of mimic is to prevent others from knowing what I'm really using.
[19:31] <ikonia> the whole idea of a dicussion is to tell the truth
[19:32] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: believe me or not I'm not lying.
[19:32] <ikonia> and I think thats where we are failing here so lets stop wasting time
[19:32] <ikonia> please leave or you'll be remove
[19:32] <ikonia> removed
[19:32] <shdefhsdfh> ikonia: I like my privacy unlike you.
[19:32] <shdefhsdfh> I even use LibreJS
[19:34] <hggdh> heh
[20:13] <genii> Well, that backscroll was somewhat entertaining


[21:14] <bootlknvf> There was an interesting piece on RTE2 News tonight about the lack of 2nd level IT teachers not being able to teach kids to code.. I think it comes down to lack of netbooks isn't it ??
[21:16] <bootlknvf> Most netbooks come in at about 50 Euros delivered these days on ebay.co.uk  .. perhaps that is too much ??
[21:29] <zmoylan> the problem is that they are probably looking for windows which adds to the cost.


[16:14]  * Pretto is away: Estou ocupado
[16:25] <Hobbsee> !away | Pretto
[18:39] <popey> @schedule
[18:43]  * Pretto is back (gone 02:29:23)
[18:43] <Pretto> Hobbsee, heya... sorry for the delay, lunch time here :)
[18:46] <zul> @schedule portland
[18:47] <zul> @schedule vancouver
[23:55] <hubuntu> @now


[10:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think we can override DE settings from some simple debian files, when installing with out metas
[10:59] <zequence> I'm still not sure how the sessions become choosable in the login window. If you have some insight in this, that would be nice
[11:00] <zequence> as for artwork, and other stuff, it seems we can install any DE, not having to keep our own seed file for it, then override settings
[11:01] <zequence> a ubuntustudio-desktop-kde could depend entirely on the kde desktop as is, or ubuntustudio-desktop-kubuntu, and then, we just override some things
[11:02] <zequence> this would mean the least amount of maintenance required
[11:02] <zequence> sorry, I always seem to write a lot of confusing stuff..
[11:03] <zequence> what I meant was, a ubuntustudio-desktop-kde, or ubuntustudio-desktop-kubuntu package could depend entirely on the kde desktop + ubuntustudio-default-settings, and we just override some stuff using some debian packaging magic
[11:04] <zequence> so, we don't need our own seed file at all for any of the desktops really, if we want
[11:04]  * smartboyhw agrees with zequence
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Overriding some stuff, this basically means Breaks: and Replaces:
[11:05] <smartboyhw> in debian/control
[11:06] <zequence> actually, I'm talking about overriding things like gsettings
[11:06] <zequence> artwork particularly
[11:07] <zequence> for Unity, I'd very much like to disable the lens stuff, that is enabled by default. Things like that
[11:07] <Mish> yes that'd be very much preferred
[11:10] <zequence> smartboyhw: but, overriding depends could be something we want to do too in some cases
[11:11] <zequence> like, any dependency on linux-generic, if such exists
[12:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, Breaks: linux-generic :P
[13:32] <madeinkobaia> Hi fellows.
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Hi madeinkobaia
[13:35] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw : )
[13:40] <Mish> hello madeinkobaia
[13:44] <madeinkobaia> Hi Mish : )
[14:26] <Mish> madeinkobaia: I have updated my branch of the ubuntustudio-icon-theme. You could take a look and make improvements if necessary.
[14:26] <Mish> https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007
[14:27] <Mish> oh and others can take a look as well :D
[14:38] <zequence> Mish: black and white icons?
[14:38] <Mish> yes
[14:38] <madeinkobaia> Mish: Thanks for asking. Its simple and nice. Now I should have an overview of the icon set for have an opinion. Did you used Inkscape or work on Gimp only ?
[14:38] <Mish> Inkscape only
[14:38] <madeinkobaia> Mish: Ok.
[14:39] <Mish> zequence: Tried to keep with the elementary-dark theme
[14:39] <Mish> All the panel icons were B/W
[14:40] <zequence> Ok, but we aren't using the dark theme, are we?
[14:41] <zequence> Also, is there something missing in any discussion on the mail list?
[14:42] <Mish> we aren't? Oh ok, I had elementary-Xubuntu-dark enabled by default on my 12.04 install
[14:42] <Mish> haven't been keeping up with 13.04 though
[14:43] <Mish> zequence: something missing in the mailing list? I don't get the context....
[14:44] <zequence> Mish: some posts look like they are a continuation of a discussion, but there doesn't seem to be a start of it
[14:44] <zequence> might be me who is missing something
[14:45] <Mish> zequence: I don't get properly threaded discussions on my mail client either. Some replies start of as new threads. Don't know why that's happening
[14:46] <Mish> zequence: btw what theme are we using in the current ISO?
[14:47] <zequence> I'd just like to make it clear that any change in something artwork related things need to pass through madeinkobaia
[14:47] <zequence> not sure if he has been included in discussions so far
[14:47] <zequence> I know OvenWerks (len) was doing work on that by himself before, but now that we have an art lead, things are different
[14:48] <zequence> I haven't followed this work very closely myself, as I've been busy, so I don't know the motivation or the reason for the changes
[14:48] <Mish> Cool, I've already asked madeinkobaia to look at it
[14:49] <Mish> zequence: what changes?
[14:52] <zequence> Mish: I was referring to the icons you are submitting
[14:54] <Mish> zequence: Oh ok. From what I've been told, the icons being currently used in the menus are from different applications and Len wanted independent ones, and also with a somewhat unified look
[14:55] <zequence> I think all of that is fine, and it is good of Len to let you know how the development process works, and so on, but madeinkobaia should really be a part of the discussion
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Yeah, how's Ubuntu Studio's development going actually?
[14:55]  * smartboyhw has been too busy at Kubuntu.
[14:56] <zequence> which he is now, of course
[14:56] <Mish> yes, hence the note to him since I was on IRC today
[14:58] <zequence> so, we just need to figure out what we want, what we don't want, and so on. and, might be good to discuss things before hand, so that people don't work at something which ends up not being accepted
[14:58] <Mish> yeah
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Utilize the mailing list as much as possible, that helps:)
[14:59] <smartboyhw> I mean, madeinkobaia isn't always on IRC.
[14:59] <zequence> I
[14:59] <zequence> sorry
[14:59] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:59] <Mish> ?
[14:59] <zequence> I'm not sure how the icon theme is packaged yet, so I need to have a look at that myself
[14:59] <zequence> (the ' symbol is right next to the ENTER button)
[15:00] <Mish> oh ok cool
[15:01] <smartboyhw> zequence, this is what makes Ubuntu great: Arguments http://lwn.net/Articles/556517/
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Look at the comments and you'll understand:P
[15:02] <zequence> I don't have anything against MIR myself, but then, I don't know the technical problems involved - which you don't if you don't know your stuff
[15:02] <zequence> so, most peoples opinions about this are probably not going to be qualified
[15:03] <zequence> I think the biggest source of irritation is about Canonical not involving the community enough in the early development process and decisions therein
[15:03] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: Mish: I am permanently on call by mail or other ways, all the infos for contact me are on our wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/madeinkobaia
[15:03] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, :)
[15:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, http://dreamstudio.dickmacinnis.com/dreamstudio-unity-12-04-3-official-release/
[15:04] <zequence> but, if by chance if MIR is technically the best choice, or as good choice as any of the other alternatives, I don't see why not everyone should support it and get involved in developing it
[15:04] <smartboyhw> As a Kubuntu member and also a Ubuntu member at the same time (directly), I think it would be great if Canonical can actually HELP Kubuntu make Mir possible
[15:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, the problem is KDE upstream denied any talk about Mir.
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Making the whole thing worse.
[15:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: Does that seem wise to you?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, what seems wise?
[15:05] <zequence> To deny any talk about MIR
[15:05] <Mish> madeinkobaia: ok thanks. You are subscribed to the UBS mailing  lists right?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, no.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Very unwise.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> I mean, sure one might say that it adds another layer to KWin (KDE's Window space), in this case, mgrasselin, the main KWin developer.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, they are saying that since it's a single distribution thing, they aren't gonna add it.
[15:07] <madeinkobaia> Mish: For sure.
[15:08] <Mish> madeinkobaia: ok cool
[15:08] <madeinkobaia> Mish: No worries : )
[15:09] <zequence> smartboyhw: if it is, and can't be applied to anything else than Ubuntu, then I think the argument is valid
[15:09] <zequence> if it can be packaged for other distros, and forked if needed, it's a technology that can be used
[15:10] <zequence> if it's good, that would be worth doing
[15:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: I agree.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> I think kubuntu/kde is looking at the track record of upstart for example, but I think that is a poor compairison
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Speaking about upstart, Ubuntu is looking at using upstart as the session manager... not sure if that is the right term really, but to start all of the appliactions/applets at login time.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> Anyway, KDE has seeen that becasue the rest of the linux world was working on another solution to replace init (systemd) they have rejected upstart.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> KDE has spent a lot of effort getting ready for wayland and does not wish to redo the work for one distro. MIR may prove itself better, but if so it will be "down the road".
[16:09] <OvenWerks> New projects take time to gather acceptance, even when they are clearly better. Even with accpetance, implementation takes time. I was around for the OSS->ALSA transition...
[16:18] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm taking a look at ubiquity right now. Documenting what I find here later https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Ubiquity#preview
[16:19] <zequence> I just proposed a merge to replace the default background, which is done in the source for "ubiquity"
[16:19] <zequence> I'll be collecting anything important for us to know on that page
[16:20] <zequence> the default background for when you do the install, and skip try the live OS
[16:42] <OvenWerks> Ya, we don't have one.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> I am guessing other flavours have just included their own with the same name.
[16:43] <zequence> OvenWerks:
[16:43] <zequence> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L308
[16:43] <zequence> it's still the Macinnis one. I'm proposing a merge with the current one first. We still need a new wallpaper for 13.10, so we'll be changing it again probably
[17:31] <holstein> !proaudio


[13:47] <spineau> Hello
[13:49] <ogasawara> spineau: hi, assuming you'll be in the hangout -> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjuqe1doh2dm5butsstsudo?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:49] <ogasawara> spineau: no hurry though
[13:50] <zyga> hi
[13:53] <ogasawara> ara: fyi https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjuqe1doh2dm5butsstsudo?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:56] <ara> ogasawara, thanks
[14:01] <sfeole> hi
[14:05] <roadmr> hello! could someone please share the hangout link with me?
[14:06] <sfeole> roadmr: according to the url above it's : https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjuqe1doh2dm5butsstsudo?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:06] <spineau> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PayxVkGOICZXlaaq1Cln0FcMW2LfiJOF-jTmIm6x79Q/edit?usp=sharing
[14:07] <roadmr> sfeole: thanks!
[14:07] <sfeole> roadmr: the url in above the video
[14:07] <sfeole> :)
[14:49] <spineau> https://plainbox.readthedocs.org/en/latest/author/index.html
[14:58] <zyga> woot
[14:58] <zyga> great session spineau
[14:59] <roadmr> \o/
[14:59] <ara> ogasawara, feel free to end the broadcast
[14:59] <ara> spineau, thanks for the session!
[14:59] <ogasawara> ara: yep, done.  thanks
[14:59] <spineau> great session thanks everyone
[15:06] <cjwatson> Hangout URL?
[15:07] <KaleoF> same question
[15:09] <dbarth> lool: ping? if you're running the hg, can you make sure to send me the link and to zaspire as well for the cordova aspects
[15:10] <KaleoF> anybody listening? :)
[15:10] <dbarth> lool: and alex-abreu as well obviously
[15:11] <cjwatson> Hello?  The hangout URL should just be pasted into channel
[15:11] <cjwatson> Who's running this session?
[15:11] <lool> ??
[15:11] <cjwatson> ogasawara,slangasek: ^-
[15:11] <cjwatson> ?
[15:11] <KaleoF> nobody is running it it seems :)
[15:11] <lool> pmcgowan: are you running it?
[15:11] <ogasawara> yeek, is there a core 1 now, I thought we only had a core 2 session this slot
[15:12] <slangasek> ogasawara: someone stuck a non-core session in our track
[15:12] <lool> KaleoF: I'm happy to lead the discussion
[15:12] <cjwatson> ogasawara: it's on the appdev track but overflowing into a core "room"
[15:12] <pmcgowan> lool, sorry which?
[15:12] <pmcgowan> I am on another call
[15:12] <ogasawara> ah, my bad then
[15:12] <lool> pmcgowan: System framework for apps
[15:12] <slangasek> ogasawara: can you run it?  I have upstart roadmap right now
[15:12] <lool> KaleoF: let's take it
[15:12] <ogasawara> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpiq0bih9a1oa0r2ojicncv4?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:12] <pmcgowan> lool, oh, sorry please carry o without me, I just logged the bp
[15:12] <ogasawara> slangasek: yep, firing up now
[15:13] <lool> KaleoF: joining?
[15:13] <lool> asac: joining?
[15:14] <lool> cjwatson: you joining?
[15:14] <cjwatson> yes, just cleaning up from firefighting
[15:14] <lool> sergiusens: you want to join?
[15:15] <KaleoF> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpiq0bih9a1oa0r2ojicncv4?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:16]  * ogra_ is listening in
[15:28]  * ogra_ remembers that asac had an opinion aboout frameworks and support cycle too
[15:29] <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, that's what lool is saying without giving names ;-)
[15:29] <ogra_> ah
[15:29] <ogra_> heh
[15:30]  * ogra_ is getting distracted by IRC pings
[15:30] <lool> sergiusens: I did name asac!
[15:30] <ogra_> sorry
[15:40] <lool> err I have lost the hangout
[15:40] <lool> did I do anything wrong?
[15:42] <ogra_> i still see you
[15:42] <sergiusens> ogra_, he dropped off for a bit :-)
[15:43] <ogra_> ah
[15:47] <ogra_> lool, i think asac said he wanted to be able to support forever
[15:48]  * ogra_ doesnt see how thats tecnically possible ... but i know that was the desire
[15:49] <lool> ogra_: right, I passed that on into the hangout
[15:49] <ogra_> k
[15:49] <lool> but I expected, this is not an universally shared opinion
[15:49] <ogra_> yeah
[16:03] <ogasawara> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj4qupqkej6sm9o4gmh48eo?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:03] <ogasawara> there doesn't appear to be a blueprint for this next session
[16:06] <satoris> The link should be live, please join. :)
[16:07] <lool> which packages is thi sabout?
[16:07] <nuclearbob> yes
[16:07] <satoris> Any.
[16:11] <doko> -fuse-ld=gold
[16:11] <lool> So isn't that solved by cross-compilation on x86?
[16:11] <lool> (the slowness of ARM)
[16:11] <jtaylor> dpkg-buildflags
[16:12] <doko> jtaylor, ?
[16:12] <jtaylor> DEB_MAINT_LDFLAGS_APPEND or something
[16:12] <jtaylor> assumes the package supports overriding them of course
[16:20] <jtaylor> but those are few extreme cases
[16:26] <jtaylor> doesn't it also go over the alternatives system?
[16:26] <jtaylor> hm no it doesn't
[16:27] <doko> jtaylor, maybe change the dpkg-buildflags default for LDFLAGS
[16:28] <doko> or upload a changed binutils to a ppa and use that one for test builds
[16:33] <jtaylor> for package build that should only be relevant if ccache is also enabled, normally compilation dwarfs the time spent in make
[16:33] <doko> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=8
[16:35] <jtaylor> there are examples for parsing it in the policy
[16:38] <jtaylor> you can share the cache between buildd
[16:38] <jtaylor> its useful for the stable CI tests, where the compiler doe not change often
[16:39] <jtaylor> not for ubuntu+1 main archivee builds
[16:39] <doko> jtaylor, sure? at least it's something which currently is not supported
[16:40] <jtaylor> the manpage states it as supported to share cache
[16:40] <jtaylor> never tried it
[16:42] <jtaylor> its even more significant if autoreconf is used, thats even slower than configure
[16:43] <doko> sure, then just start multiple buildds on one machine
[16:44] <jtaylor> documentation builds are also mostly single process
[16:44] <jtaylor> e.g. all the python doc builds
[16:47] <jtaylor> can'T load on buildds be used to get a statistic?
[16:47] <jtaylor> if only one job is run per buildd
[16:53] <satoris> ogasawara: feel free to close down the stream now. Thanks.
[17:57] <ogasawara> for anyone interested https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj63sbfnc04m21g2t72g88k?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:00] <sforshee> ogasawara: fyi I've already closed bug #1247784. It's already enabled in trusty, the bug was just complaining about it not being enabled in the mainline builds.
[18:00] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 1247784 in linux (Debian) "please enable CONFIG_RT2800USB_RT3573 in kernel 3.12" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1247784
[18:01] <ogasawara> sforshee: awesome, thanks
[18:02] <ogasawara> for any late joiners -> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj63sbfnc04m21g2t72g88k?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:14] <dannf> +1 no gray area. that's not necessarily a +1 for either version though.
[18:15] <ogasawara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/TrustyKernelDeltaReview
[18:15] <dannf> just makes it easier for me to talk to partners by saying "use this versin" or "we will make a decision at this time"
[18:15] <dannf> (where "this time" is a specific date/milestone)
[18:17] <bunubunu> show
[18:21] <smb> minus probably the pieces of imsm as you (just for me ) said
[18:21] <jtaylor> will enabling transparent anonymous huge pages by default be considered for 14.04?
[18:21] <jtaylor> currently its only madvise
[18:22] <sforshee> ext4 should be able to mount ext[23], right?
[18:22] <apw> sforshee, yeah hsould be, and that is the point of the request
[18:22] <infinity> sforshee: I like this theory.
[18:22] <cking> sforshee, we need to benchmark it and see how well it performs
[18:22] <infinity> I have lots of ext3 and ext2 around so...
[18:25]  * cking up to check it out
[18:25] <arges-uds> keep up the good work everybody
[18:26] <arges-uds> : )
[18:27] <jtaylor> :(
[18:30] <cking> it's a wrap
[18:33] <apw> jtaylor, hey sorry your Q had scrolled off the top of my window, so we missed it.  feel free to come over to #ubuntu-kernel and make a case -- we don't stand on ceremony much
[18:37] <ogasawara> jtaylor: yeek, sorry we missed that
[18:38] <ogasawara> jtaylor: ogasawara@sharkbay:~/ubuntu-trusty/debian.master/config$ grep -rn "TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE" *
[18:38] <ogasawara> config.common.ubuntu:2170:CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE=y
[18:38] <ogasawara> config.common.ubuntu:6143:CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE=y
[18:38] <ogasawara> jtaylor: ^^ although I'm seeing that enabled in trusty
[18:38] <jtaylor> < moving to -kernel
[18:58] <janimo> slangasek, hi, who is setting up the next hangout?
[18:58] <slangasek> janimo: bdmurray is
[18:58] <slangasek> for core1
[18:58] <janimo> thanks
[19:03] <rsalveti> hangout link?
[19:04]  * ogra_ twiddles thumbs
[19:04] <bdmurray> ocsOBsEp4
[19:04] <rsalveti> bdmurray: ? :-)
[19:04] <ogra_> secret language
[19:04] <bdmurray> http://youtu.be/4-ocsOBsEp4
[19:04] <ogra_> keeps the NSA out
[19:04] <ogra_> :)
[19:04] <tvoss_> slangasek, can you join the go session on the hangout?
[19:04] <rsalveti> right, I want the hangout one :-)
[19:05] <ogra_> yeah
[19:05] <rsalveti> but thanks anyway
[19:05] <slangasek> tvoss_: hum, I'm running a separate call
[19:05] <tvoss_> slangasek, okay
[19:05] <sergiusens> tvoss_, was the go session moved btw?
[19:05] <tvoss_> sergiusens, nope
[19:05] <cjwatson> the hangout URL isn't super-secret (unlike previous UDSes), should just be pasted here
[19:05] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that's in client-2
[19:05] <slangasek> tvoss_: if doko is around (i.e., not currently having network problems), he should be there
[19:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, don't go ... stay !
[19:05] <bdmurray> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpja7ujvguc5nn4l8il5e2c4?authuser=0&hl=en <- this one then?
[19:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti, yeah, I'm just sad I have a conflict with this one now :-)
[19:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah :-(
[19:06] <cjwatson> ah, perfect
[19:06] <sergiusens> whereas I originally didn't see the conflict
[19:06] <sergiusens> so I was thinking one of these sessions was moved
[19:06] <cjwatson> (mind you I might just watch the youtube stream for now)
[19:06] <ogra_> janimo, ...
[19:06] <ogra_> janimo, your session ... join the hangout
[19:07] <rsalveti> bdmurray: thanks
[19:07] <bdmurray> yep, sorry about that
[19:12] <victorp> rsalveti: is it just question of flicking a compile flag or is there a more deep reason for it
[19:12] <victorp> i.e. x86 = desktop version and not optimise for mobile or something
[19:12] <achiang> is the streaming youtube broken for anyone else?
[19:12] <tsdgeos_uds> victorp: thing is, you can flip a switch and get either opengl or opengles, but not sure what you get is co-installable
[19:13] <victorp> achiang:wfm
[19:13] <achiang> (or just me :-/)
[19:13] <sarnold> achiang: wfm
[19:13] <tsdgeos_uds> victorp: speaking Qt-wise
[19:13] <victorp> tsdgeos_uds:fair enough
[19:13] <tvoss_> cjwatson, can you come to the go on the client side session?
[19:14] <rsalveti> victorp: yeah, that's why we only have gl for desktop and gles for armhf, just because it was the easier to support it
[19:14] <tsdgeos_uds> QUESTION can you guys confirm that, only GLES for Mir? somehow Gerry told me today that EGL+OpenGL should workt oo
[19:14] <tsdgeos_uds> on the desktop
[19:16] <xnox> yeah, a few projects use EGL api provided by OpenGL. (there are code tutorials online on how to do that)
[19:16] <xnox> (we do want GLES on the virtualbox / goldfish-emulators because GLES is accelerated)
[19:17] <alf_> tsdgeos_uds: Mir internally uses GLES2 for compositing etc, but clients are free to use either desktop GL or ES 1.0/2.0
[19:17] <tsdgeos_uds> alf_: ah, thanks :-)
[19:19] <victorp> janimo:do we know for sure that x86 android BSP provide GLES vs GL?
[19:20] <janimo> victorp, not sure what the emulator target provdes
[19:20] <janimo> AOSP 4.4 is GLES 2.0 by default, so I do not think plain GL is suppored
[19:20] <ogra_> since the emulator runs android i would expect it to be GLES
[19:21] <victorp> no one from AMD or Intel in the room? :)
[19:21] <ogra_> victorp, well, the mobile intel CPUs use PVR ... which means largely the same as maguro
[19:22] <ogra_> (galaxy nexus)
[19:22] <victorp> ogra_:good point
[19:22] <ogra_> (or pandaboard ...)
[19:22] <ogra_> and i would expect the emulator to emulate something along these lines ... so we shold be safe
[19:24] <achiang> so if android/x86 supports GLES... how does that relate to the open question about GL vs GLES backend for Qt?
[19:24] <achiang> janimo: rsalveti ogra_ ^^
[19:24] <ogra_> achiang, Qt on the desktop uses GL
[19:25] <ogra_> achiang, so there is an assumption that x86 == GL
[19:25] <achiang> ogra_: yes, i understand that
[19:25] <achiang> ogra_: but we want Qt + x86 + android to use GLES
[19:25] <achiang> right?
[19:25] <janimo> achiang, it means QT on x86 has to build for LES not GL s it does now
[19:25] <ogra_> achiang, while the assumption for Qt in touch is Qt == GLES
[19:25] <ogra_> achiang, we need QT on all arches to use GLES
[19:25] <achiang> vs Qt + x86 + desktop == GL
[19:25] <ogra_> there is no distinction
[19:26] <achiang> ogra_: ok, i missed the session yesterday. what did upstream say to that yesterday?
[19:26] <ogra_> no idea
[19:26] <achiang> or not upstream, but folks like scottK
[19:26] <ogra_> i had a session i ran that conflicted
[19:26] <xnox> we want qt with whichever GL that is accelerated.
[19:26] <victorp> rsalveti:is there an impact on libhybris
[19:26] <ogra_> achiang, well, no matter what ScottK said, there are vendors using Qt that will expect GL ... i.e. Skype as an example
[19:27] <xnox> most of the time it is GLES on armhf, and GL on intel.
[19:27] <xnox> but
[19:27] <janimo> achiang, it seemed it will be possible to build two sets of binaries for GL and GLES on x86
[19:27] <xnox> atom itel, virtualbox/android, goldfish/qemu are GLES accerated.
[19:27] <achiang> janimo: oh! ok, that solves our problems then
[19:27] <ogra_> right, we will have to maintain a fork
[19:27] <victorp> janimo: I think that is another one that would be good to build it and see what happends
[19:27] <ogra_> to have both
[19:27] <sergiusens> janimo, mute yourself :-)
[19:27] <xnox> it would be nice, if unity8 could use EGL with OpenGL, for convergence with desktop later on.
[19:27] <victorp> ogra - ah
[19:27] <sergiusens> your auto mute isn't working
[19:28] <victorp> ogra_ you dont think that upstream would have an interest on have Qt running on x86 android in the future?
[19:28] <ogra_> victorp, not with hybris
[19:28] <xnox> victorp: they have that now. but it's compile time option.
[19:28] <ogra_> hybris is considered a hack by most upstreams
[19:28] <victorp> xnox:right, so not really a fork
[19:29] <ogra_> victorp, no, but our maintenance burden
[19:29] <victorp> ogra_: or you meant a fork for hybris?
[19:29] <ogra_> victorp, we will need two sets of binaries
[19:29] <xnox> victorp: right, ti's just at the moment we will have duplicate binary packages, e.g. qt-gl qt-gles, etc.
[19:29] <victorp> xnox:ack
[19:29] <achiang> xnox: can we get that with the same source package/
[19:29] <achiang> ?
[19:29] <ogra_> and we need to maintain the second set
[19:29] <ogra_> achiang, yes
[19:29] <sarnold> hybris -felt- like a hack when I MIR reviewed it. I'd love to be rid of it.
[19:29] <xnox> achiang: should be possible. more maintainance burden, but yes.
[19:30] <achiang> ogra_: xnox: in the archive, or in a PPA somewhere?
[19:30] <xnox> victorp: achiang: but further down the line, it doesn't look like GLES is comming to desktop (but one vendor)
[19:30] <victorp> sarnold , realistically , we are very far from that
[19:30] <ogra_> sarnold, wont happen though :)
[19:30] <xnox> achiang: only in the archive.
[19:30] <ogra_> achiang, in the archive indeed
[19:30] <achiang> xnox: ok, that works for me,thanks
[19:30] <janimo> xnox, maybe less main burden if we do not want to apply all fixes to two sets of sourcs?
[19:30] <xnox> victorp: achiang: so one day we will need unity8 on top of OpenGL for normal powerful desktops/laptops.
[19:30] <ogra_> why would we put something we need tio support officially in a PPA
[19:31] <victorp> ogra_:so we dont think linhybris will be a problem porting to x86
[19:31] <ogra_> xnox, only if Mir supports that :)
[19:31] <victorp> rsalveti ^^
[19:31] <achiang> ogra_: well my question (about archive) was another way of asking, "is 2 binary packages an official solution"
[19:31] <xnox> can people assign some people to make mir/unity8 work on top of EGL powered by OpenGL ?
[19:31] <rsalveti> victorp: nops, should work (and afaik it was already tested with x86)
[19:31] <xnox> delaying that work, will only bite us later.
[19:32] <ogra_> xnox, how hard would it be to build the android package for x86 too ?
[19:32] <xnox> ogra_: i'll try that today.
[19:32] <xnox> ogra_: should be ok, unless something is not ported, then I'll come back with build failures.
[19:33] <ogra_> k
[19:33] <xnox> ogra_: rsalveti: package supports dynamically additional targets =)
[19:33] <rsalveti> xnox: right
[19:33] <achiang> ogra_: do we need a WI for actually publishing stuff on cdimage?
[19:33] <xnox> (it autogenerates install files et.al.)
[19:33] <ogra_> achiang, nahg
[19:33] <xnox> rsalveti: oh yeah, i want to do this with kitkat only =)
[19:33] <janimo> achiang, ogra_ we need WI for anything that has to be done imho
[19:34] <rsalveti> xnox: yeah
[19:34] <achiang> xnox: mmm... :-/
[19:34] <asac> rsalveti: you are right i think on not investing on 4.2 for x86. we want to focus on armel and do the x86 when brining up 4.4. in january or so
[19:34] <asac> armhf:)
[19:34] <victorp> rsalveti:that sounds reasonable, I guess x86 android support must have come a long way from 4.2 :)
[19:34] <rsalveti> victorp: yeah
[19:34] <rsalveti> asac: yup
[19:35] <xnox> rsalveti: ogra_: do we want x86-virtualbox, or x86-goldfish, or both?
[19:35] <ogra_> asac, well, depends how you look at it, android *is* armel ;)
[19:35] <ogra_> rootfs is armhf
[19:35] <asac> xnox: i assume goldfish if thats the thing that gives us SIM card emulation etc. :L)
[19:35] <xnox> asac: correct. goldfish is the same emulator as currently demoed used with armhf.
[19:35] <asac> ogra_: yeah i know... didnt replace... just add :)
[19:35] <asac> just kidding
[19:36] <ogra_> :)
[19:36] <asac> xnox: right. i believe we want that
[19:36] <xnox> asac: virtualbox is known to be much faster (native speed)
[19:36] <asac> if it comes for free then i dont mind. otherwise, lets first get the "right" thing done :)
[19:36] <xnox> rsalveti: asac: goldfish/x86 supposedly can do kvm speed.
[19:36] <xnox> but that's unknown.
[19:36] <rsalveti> right
[19:36] <xnox> ok,
[19:36] <asac> afaik google feels its super fast now
[19:36] <xnox> if virtualbox is removed, then goldfish only.
[19:36] <asac> so i wont worry too much :)
[19:38] <xnox> rsalveti: ogra_: by the way goldfish i386 kernel is in the linux-goldfish already.
[19:38] <ogra_> neat
[19:38] <xnox> ..
[19:39] <xnox> wow =) if gles finally comming to desktop, than that's great! But i don't think that's available on the desktop already.
[19:39] <ogra_> it should be
[19:39] <rsalveti> xnox: cool
[19:41] <xnox> rsalveti: hm, we are building "cm_goldfish-eng" at the moment, and there is no "cm_goldfish-x86-eng" target, only the google's "full-eng" / "full_x86-eng". So some enabled needs to be done.
[19:41] <xnox> at adding the device tree.
[19:41] <rsalveti> xnox: did you check 4.4?
[19:42] <xnox> janimo: =)
[19:42] <xnox> rsalveti: ah, not yet.
[19:42] <xnox> rsalveti: do we want to move to android's "full-eng" / "full_x86-eng" builds then?
[19:43] <rsalveti> xnox: probably
[19:43] <janimo> xnox, it is full-eng I thik indeed
[19:43] <xnox> rsalveti: the cm_goldfish target was easier at the time.
[19:43] <xnox> rsalveti: janimo: in that case I'll need to look into switching to that one.
[19:43] <xnox> (needs products tweaks, et. al.)
[19:46] <ogra_> bdmurray, you can stop the recording
[19:46] <ogra_> thanks :)
[19:46] <bdmurray> yep
[19:46] <xnox> janimo: rsalveti: yeah best to move to #ubuntu-touch.
[19:47] <xnox> =)
[19:47] <tsdgeos_uds> thanks for the session guys
[19:47] <psusi> crap, did I miss it?
[19:47] <tsdgeos_uds> rsalveti: lol the "i need to follow up with the qt folks" was cut :D
[19:47] <psusi> did yuo discuss the CONFIG_EXT[23]=n?
[19:49] <ogra_> psusi, it think thats not actually x86 emulator specific
[19:50] <ogra_> bring it up tomorrow, there is a general emulator session iirc
[19:50] <psusi> ogra: eh?  has nothing to do with emulation?
[19:50] <tyhicks> psusi: you're an hour late
[19:50] <ogra_> psusi, though i think we actually want to keep ext2 for performance reasons (the loop  mounted images are a lot faster with that)
[19:50] <tyhicks> psusi: the kernel topics session was an hour ago
[19:51] <ogra_> oh, kernel ...
[19:51] <psusi> ohh shoot
[19:51] <rsalveti> we're only using ext4 now
[19:51] <ogra_> rsalveti, sure ?
[19:51] <xnox> psusi: CONFIG_EXT[23]=n definatly wrong session =) this was emulator for ubuntu touch on x86 session.
[19:51]  * ogra_ hasnt checked ... i thought the initrd still uses ext2
[19:51] <psusi> yea, I'm trying to get the ext2/3 drivers disabled in the kernel... ext4 driver will handle those filesystems instead and do a better job of it and give a smaller kernel
[19:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh, talking about rootfs, sorry
[19:52] <ogra_> yeah, we dont care about that kernel :)
[19:52] <psusi> ;)
[19:52] <ogra_> ours are all android based
[19:52] <ogra_> (who cares about desktops nowadays :P )
[19:52] <rsalveti> problem is using rw when you have an ext2 fs :-)
[19:53] <ogra_> yeah
[19:53] <psusi> damn daylight savings... never can remember if I'm -4 or -5
[19:54] <tyhicks> psusi: here's what you're looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrMTosj1Ikg#t=972
[21:51]  * fabio slaps alex-abreu around a bit with a large trout


[18:19] <gz1[m]> Portuguese keyboard is not writing this characters " á ã â " on Ubuntu Studio with any desktop app. Text editors including...
[18:19] <gz1[m]> It works on browsers!
[18:19] <gz1[m]> On my US keyboard with Portuguese layout if i type " ] \ | " i get " á ã â ".
[18:19] <gz1[m]> All works well with Kubuntu. What setting/config file do i compare with Kubuntu so i can apply it in ubuntu studio?
[18:20] <gz1[m]>  * Portuguese keyboard is not writing this characters " á ã â " on Ubuntu Studio with any desktop app. Text editors including...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/15bc1616d31f5100adc496b88ffbae3aaa2fff1d>)
[18:21] <gz1[m]>  * Hi guys,... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e8dbfa476a23c9a42007b8ef3b9c4e534d1c48b9>)
[18:33] <gz1[m]>  * Hi guys,... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/bacdbf11a045cb9ff42c927fc1c120faed7a637f>)
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> gz1[m]: Please do not re-edit your message, it comes across as spam in the IRC chat side as IRC has no way to discern more than small edits.
[18:34] <gz1[m]>  * Hi guys,... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/73475d70e887f4e499c09283fd01a71c750e4f1b>)
[18:35] <gz1[m]> got it!
[18:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> gz1: Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to find an answer here. I'm the person who came up with the configurations, which were forked directly from Kubuntu.  There are no portugese-specific confugurations at all in either Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio, so that tells me there might be a misconfiguration in either your ~/.config folder or ~/.config/kdedefaults.
[18:37] <gz1[m]> i'm new to linux, but i can only confirm the kubuntu install i have in virtualbox works out of the box
[18:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> gz1: That's because, in your Ubuntu Studio install, there's likely a misconfiguration in your home folder (denoted by ~/).
[18:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm part of the Kubuntu team as well.
[18:38] <gz1[m]> it only worked once in studio - then never worked again. Glitch behaviour
[18:38] <gz1[m]> that's makes sense. i am checking that now
[18:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm telling you that there are no differences in terms of locallization.
[18:38] <gz1[m]> 100%
[18:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> A good way to check is to make a new user and log-in as that user.
[18:39] <gz1[m]> great idea
[18:39] <gz1[m]> what file can i copy from new user to the one i'm using?
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> It wouldn't be a file, but a whole folder. It'd be hidden and labeled .config in your home folder.
[18:40] <gz1[m]> yes, i'm inside it
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> As far as which file does the keyboard localization, I'm not sure which one does it.
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> But I have reason to believe you have a corrupt file somewhere.
[18:42] <gz1[m]> i read in a stackexchange thread it's this one kxkbrc
[18:42] <gz1[m]> -------------... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/04cbf7ba8ed474a42b2fda09689e7fe268db44cf>)
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> If that's the case, then try deleting it. Worst that will happen is it will default to your regional defaults. It might also exist in .config/kdedefaults, delete that one too.
[18:43] <gz1[m]> is there a way to reset to default without breaking all tyhe apps i have inside .config ?
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you delete the whole folder, it'll delete all of your configs, so no.
[18:43] <gz1[m]> no. not in kdedefaults
[18:44] <gz1[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: yes sure. i'm aware of this
[18:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, then deleting that might be enough. But it does look like your LayoutList is preferring US.
[18:44] <gz1[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: yes so annoying my god.
[18:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then reverse that. Make it pt,us.
[18:44] <gz1[m]> why doesn't it respect manual change? it always switches back to us sometimes after 5 seconds
[18:45] <gz1[m]> done!
[18:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's weird.
[18:45] <gz1[m]> it should respect manual switching tough
[18:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd think so. What are you using to switch it?
[18:45] <gz1[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: yes i read a thread on this from ubuntu
[18:45] <gz1[m]> i believe sometimes makes this happen. let me find the thread
[18:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> There should be a keyboard icon in your system tray (upper right corner by default) that should let you switch it. This is the ibus indicator.
[18:47] <gz1[m]> yes i have it
[18:47] <gz1[m]> this is exactly the issue i also have
[18:47] <gz1[m]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404194/ubuntu-studio-22-04-forces-keyboard-layout-to-english
[18:48] <gz1[m]> i followed the solution but still the same persistent issue
[18:48] <gz1[m]> something is conflicting
[18:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm not sure it's conflicting, but maybe a bug upstream in KDE.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, did reversing pt and us help you?
[18:49] <gz1[m]> i am testing that now
[18:49] <gz1[m]> im on Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[18:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Good to know.
[18:49] <gz1[m]> let me reboot
[18:49] <gz1[m]> be back in 2min
[19:41] <gz1[m]> [Layout]... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4c55db5c5631cc9c311b287c14c17548a645ac8b>)
[19:41] <gz1[m]> still jumps to US all the time
[19:41] <gz1[m]>  * ----------------------------
[19:41] <gz1[m]> still jumps to US all the time
[19:42] <gz1[m]> and the portuguese chars in questions are still not working
[20:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> gz1: It's very possible you may have found an upstream bug, but before we go down that road, try deleting ~/.config/kxkbrc first, relog, and try setting your keyboard layout via system settings again.
[22:07] <gz1[m]> i did exactly that and same issue!
[22:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> gz1: Ok, that tells me this is likely an upstream issue with a KDE Plasma component, but I'm not sure which one. I might have to discuss this.
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> gz1: In the meantime, you might try asking in #ubuntu-pt:libera.chat or #ubuntu-br:libera.chat as those are the Portuguese communities and are very active. They might have an idea.


[20:33] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston, mhall119: would you mind checking if the review file thing I did here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~joseeantonior/summit/981880-fix/revision/480 is ok?
[20:33] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: i thought you said it didnt work?
[20:34] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: I just wanna check what's the wrong part
[20:34] <JoseeAntonioR> I copied it exactly as it was
[20:35] <cjohnston> the view may not be giving the template the same code, so it wouldn't be an exact copy
[20:36] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm
[20:36]  * JoseeAntonioR checks
[20:41] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: there we go, it's because there's no agenda.id or slot.id, you know how to parse those on that page?
[20:44] <cjohnston> not off the top of my head and I don't currently have time to investigate
[20:44] <JoseeAntonioR> np then
[20:54] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: a Meeting can have more than one agenda
[20:54] <mhall119> technically
[20:54] <mhall119> what pages do these changed apply to?
[21:00] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: mine.html and review.html, the changes I did are working in mine.html, but not on review.html
[22:28] <cjohnston> daker: have you noticed that the social open graph stuff is broken on summit and ltp
[22:32] <cjohnston> mhall119: im thinking about pulling the social stuff out since it throws so many 404s. thouhgts?
[22:33] <mhall119> cjohnston: is it that bad?
[22:34] <cjohnston> it gives 3 failed to load resources
[22:36] <cjohnston> if it was super easy to figure out I would, but I dont remember enough about it
[22:36] <cjohnston> id like to add it back, but imo it looks bad right now
[22:36] <cjohnston> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/
[23:44] <daker> cjohnston: they work for me http://i.imgur.com/qUvpNXH.png


[00:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meep [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.7.0-2] (no packageset)
[00:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: meep [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.7.0-2] (no packageset)
[03:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupdate (bionic-proposed/main) [10-3 => 12-3bionic1] (core)
[05:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-1.12 [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.12~beta1-2] (no packageset)
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-kitchen-salt [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.12 [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1.12~beta1-2]
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-kitchen-salt [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.4.0-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [armhf] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-kitchen-salt [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.4.0-1]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [arm64] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ntfs-3g [i386] (disco-proposed) [1:2017.3.23AR.3-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-ena [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.11.0-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [armhf] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-hyphenation [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.7.1-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-ena [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.11.0-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-hyphenation [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.7.1-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-exa [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.8.0-2]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [armhf] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bambootracker [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.1.3-1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted martian [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1.2-0ubuntu1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meep [armhf] (disco-proposed) [1.7.0-2]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pylibtiff [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.4.2-1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-tornado4 [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [4.5.3-2]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted meep [arm64] (disco-proposed) [1.7.0-2]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pylibtiff [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.4.2-1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pylibtiff [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.4.2-1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-tornado4 [s390x] (disco-proposed) [4.5.3-2]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bitlbee-mastodon [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted blis [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted blis [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted dav4tbsync [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.10-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emerald [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.8.16-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emerald [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.8.16-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ghostwriter [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1.7.3-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted grim [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1.0+ds-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lablgtk3 [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [3.0~beta3-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libctl [amd64] (disco-proposed) [4.1.4-3]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bitlbee-mastodon [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted blis [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emerald [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.8.16-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-datadog-zstd [amd64] (disco-proposed) [1.3.4+ds-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lablgtk3 [s390x] (disco-proposed) [3.0~beta3-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libctl [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [4.1.4-3]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libnss-unknown [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.0.1+0git.3faffd5f-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mle [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1.3-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oakleaf [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.0.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurp [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted blis [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ghostwriter [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1.7.3-1]
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libctl [i386] (disco-proposed) [4.1.4-3]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libnss-unknown [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.0.1+0git.3faffd5f-1]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurp [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [1.0-1]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted eas4tbsync [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.7.20-1]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libctl [s390x] (disco-proposed) [4.1.4-3]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted grim [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1.0+ds-1]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mle [s390x] (disco-proposed) [1.3-1]
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: brailleutils [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.2.3-4] (no packageset)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: node-ramda [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.26.1+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gobject [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.16-1] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gobject [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.16-1] (no packageset)
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gobject [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.16-1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gobject [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.16-1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-cairo [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [1.0.17-1] (no packageset)
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: theme-d-gnome [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.7.4-1] (no packageset)
[23:48] <teward> can the SRU team and/or sponsors take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/1809932 when you get a chance (after the new year) to push a patch to Bionic gparted to fix LVM2 partition resizing which broke with the version of LVM2 that's in Bionic
[23:49] <teward> this was fixed in Cosmic already with a sync in Cosmic and fix-released there via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/1779292 but the bug was initially filed in Bionic, and the issue was never revisited for Bionic.
[23:49] <teward> I don't have coredev or upload for gparted so it'll need a sponsor for the upload as well.
[23:50] <teward> no major rush, as I have a fix in a PPA temporarily for my use-cases where I run into this, but it should probably be fixed long-term
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gobject [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [2.0.16-1] (no packageset)
[23:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-status-notifier-item [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)


[00:23] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ah ok
[00:23] <bencrisford> stgraber: are edubuntu hosting any openweek sessions?
[00:40] <sparker> My clients are not connecting to my new 9.1 install.
[00:41] <sparker> I already had some trouble configuring dns so guess that my eth1 also needs configuring but I dont know how -
[00:41] <sparker> Anyone able to help a Noobie?
[01:12]  * bencrisford thinks 1.10am is time for bed...
[01:12] <bencrisford> night all
[09:18] <Noob1e> Is any oneavailable for support?
[10:19]  * bencrisford is a bit concerned about gcompris
[10:20] <bencrisford> the games are really neat, my 4 year old cousin really enjoyed himself on it
[10:20] <bencrisford> but when its not in a game
[10:20] <bencrisford> it crashes every 30 seconds
[10:20] <bencrisford> and eventually it renders my pc useless and i have to reboot
[10:21] <bencrisford> reboot by pressing the power button, which i despise doing
[10:21] <bencrisford> it makes me wonder whether we should include something in our packages that could damage someones computer...
[10:21] <bencrisford> it needs *alot* of attention
[13:36] <mhall119> bencrisford: I've never had a problem with gCompris before, what version are you running?
[13:39] <bencrisford> mhall119: im not entirely sure, but it is updating so i obviously dont have the latest..  but i came back to ubuntu a week ago so whatever version i have it was the latest a week ago
[13:39] <bencrisford> i never used to have trouble with it
[13:39] <bencrisford> but now it hangs, and takes a long time to load up stuff
[13:39] <bencrisford> once you are in a game it runs fine
[13:39] <bencrisford> but i have trouble getting back to the main menu and quitting
[13:41] <mhall119> bencrisford: on 10.04?
[13:42] <bencrisford> yes
[13:42] <mhall119> hmm, I'll have to try it
[13:42] <bencrisford> my lil cousin absolutely loved the games, well the one we got working...
[13:42] <mhall119> I ran it on alpha 2 without a problem
[13:43] <mhall119> it has all kinds of good stuff for 4 year olds
[13:43] <mhall119> childsplay too
[13:43] <bencrisford> well i dont see how it would be my hardware, when ive just spent 3 hours playing heroes of newerth without trouble :P
[13:43] <bencrisford> yeah
[13:43] <bencrisford> i wasnt sure how good the content was, so i was interested to see what he thought
[13:44] <bencrisford> and he loved the number matching game with the butterflies
[13:47] <mhall119> could be an sdl bug or something
[13:47] <bencrisford> hmm
[13:47] <mhall119> try childsplay and see if it does the same
[13:47] <bencrisford> well, im just concerned about it because we now know that people are using edubuntu for stuff like educating aids orphans...
[13:47] <bencrisford> and they cant afford to have their computers broke..
[13:49] <bencrisford> i dont have childsplay installed, hang on, ill install now
[13:50] <mhall119> when you're at the main gCompris screen, do you hear music playing?
[13:50] <mhall119> I ship gCompris with Qimo, which is used by a lot of low income families, or ones with special needs kids, so I know how important it is that things just work
[13:51] <bencrisford> yeah i hear the music :)
[13:51] <bencrisford> childsplay seems to work fine btw
[14:05] <mhall119> hmmm....
[14:05] <mhall119> I'll check it out, need to rebase Qimo on the beta today anyway
[14:14] <bencrisford> mhall119: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=gcompris&search=Search
[14:14] <bencrisford> there seem to be a few reports of crashes/hangs there...
[21:28] <Johnkx> Hi
[21:28] <Johnkx> I need help with something
[21:30] <bencrisford> Johnkx: whats the problem? :)
[21:32] <Johnkx> Hi
[21:32] <Johnkx> Uhm
[21:32] <Johnkx> there's something wrong with the flash plug-in on youtube
[21:32] <Johnkx> whenever I try to watch
[21:32] <bencrisford> Johnkx: ok, have you recently installed/upgraded your edubuntu?
[21:32] <Johnkx> I can't move that bar for viewing and I can't click on the pause button too
[21:32] <Johnkx> oh.. I'm not using edubuntu, just ubuntu
[21:33] <Johnkx> >_> I guess there's a difference huh
[21:33] <bencrisford> oh :/, this is the edubuntu channel, but i might be able to help you anyway
[21:33] <bencrisford> next time, try #ubuntu
[21:33] <Johnkx> cool thanks
[21:33] <bencrisford> so you can view the video?
[21:33] <Johnkx> oh ok
[21:33] <bencrisford> just not control it?
[21:33] <Johnkx> yes I can
[21:33] <Johnkx> yep
[21:33] <bencrisford> hmm
[21:33] <bencrisford> you're using firefox?
[21:33] <Johnkx> yes
[21:34] <Johnkx> Firefox ver. 3.5.8 For ubuntu
[21:34] <Johnkx> canonical - 1.0
[21:34] <bencrisford> has this suddenly stopped working?  or is it a new install?
[21:34] <Johnkx> its a new install
[21:35] <Johnkx> I tried using other flash plugins but adobe's the only one that works
[21:35] <Johnkx> works but not perfectly :P
[21:36] <bencrisford> do you have 64bit?
[21:36] <Johnkx> yes
[21:36] <bencrisford> did you download the 64bit flash plugin?
[21:37] <bencrisford> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html
[21:37] <Johnkx> oh, I didn't download it from this site
[21:37] <bencrisford> thats an alpha development version
[21:37] <bencrisford> so you might not want to try it..
[21:38] <bencrisford> dont install that just yet..
[21:38] <Johnkx> I got mine by using the install missing plugins that shows up whenever you don't have a flash plugin
[21:38] <Johnkx> oh ok
[21:38] <bencrisford> do you have desktop effects?
[21:38] <Johnkx> yes
[21:38] <bencrisford> compiz?
[21:38] <Johnkx> yep
[21:38] <bencrisford> run:
[21:38] <bencrisford> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:38] <bencrisford> in terminal
[21:38] <bencrisford> tell me when thats done
[21:39] <Johnkx> done
[21:39] <bencrisford> now run ccsm
[21:39] <bencrisford> and disable the video plugin
[21:39] <bencrisford> "Video Playback"
[21:40] <Johnkx> oh ok
[21:40] <Johnkx> done
[21:40] <bencrisford> now try youtube
[21:40] <bencrisford> if it still doesnt work, try re-enabling.  i have looked on forums and someone tried disabling and found it worked when they re-enabled after
[21:41] <bencrisford> hows it looking?
[21:41] <Johnkx> i still can't click it
[21:42] <Johnkx> should I try re-enabling it?
[21:42] <bencrisford> give it a go
[21:42] <bencrisford> im not sure why it would work, but people have said it does
[21:42] <Johnkx> for some reason youtube's site is really slow at this time
[21:43] <bencrisford> btw, you did restart firefox before testing it?  after you disabled video playback?
[21:43] <Johnkx> yes
[21:43] <bencrisford> ok goof
[21:43] <bencrisford> good*
[21:43] <bencrisford> and any other apps using flash?
[21:43] <Johnkx> nope
[21:44] <bencrisford> well disable video and close all applications using flash
[21:44] <bencrisford> then open firefox and try youtube
[21:44] <bencrisford> :)
[21:44] <Johnkx> ok
[21:45] <bencrisford> hows it going??
[21:45] <Johnkx> not working
[21:46] <bencrisford> and restarting + re-enabling?
[21:47] <Johnkx> yeah I've been trying it for a while
[21:47] <Johnkx> no luck
[21:49] <bencrisford> ok
[21:49] <bencrisford> alright, im running out of suggestions
[21:49] <bencrisford> try disabling desktop effects
[21:49] <bencrisford> and seeing if it will work
[21:50] <bencrisford> that way we can find out if it is compiz that is the problem
[21:50] <bencrisford> if it is, then we can re-enable and find a fix, else we can find out what the problem is
[21:50] <Johnkx> ok
[21:50] <Johnkx> I just disabled visual effects
[21:50] <bencrisford> be sure to restart the flash applications first
[21:51] <Johnkx> from Appearance preference and yea i closed it already
[21:51] <bencrisford> ok
[21:51] <Johnkx> omg..
[21:51] <Johnkx> found the problem
[21:51] <Johnkx> haha
[21:51] <bencrisford> ? :P
[21:51] <Johnkx> It was the visual effects
[21:52] <bencrisford> ok, now we have to find a fix
[21:53] <bencrisford> on forums a few people have suggested different things
[21:55] <Johnkx> so yeah basically whenever I enable Visual effects on Extra my flash doesn't work properly
[21:55] <Johnkx> and when i turn it off it works
[21:55] <bencrisford> the problem is compiz+flash
[21:55] <Johnkx> ahh
[21:56] <mhall119> Johnkx: try enabling/disabling hardware acceleration in the flash configuration
[21:57] <Johnkx> ok
[21:57] <Johnkx> btw just so you know, I can't enable/disable the hardware acceleration when my VE is working
[21:58] <mhall119> try changing it while VE is off, and see if that makes a difference
[21:58] <Johnkx> yeah I did that too
[21:58] <Johnkx> I just turned it off and it did
[21:58] <Johnkx> and I used VE again and see if it works, but it didn't
[21:59] <bencrisford> mhall119: it sounds like compiz is fine, flash is fine, but together they dont work
[21:59] <Johnkx> ohh
[21:59] <Johnkx> yeah, sounds just like that
[21:59] <bencrisford> mhall119: hes using 64bit, and compiz has always been a bit buggy there
[22:00] <mhall119> I didn't even know flash was working on 64bit these days
[22:00] <bencrisford> i hear its still pretty bad...
[22:01] <bencrisford> but it must work, because Johnkx can view youtube when V.Effects are off
[22:01] <Johnkx> yeah I can view youtube even if its on/off
[22:01] <Johnkx> its just that I can't click it properly
[22:01] <Johnkx> like pausing it
[22:01] <Johnkx> or moving the time bar
[22:01] <Johnkx> sometimes it works, but mostly it doesnt
[22:02] <Johnkx> like when I spam click on it, It takes maybe 30-50 clicks before it pauses
[22:02] <Johnkx> lol
[22:02] <Johnkx> during when V.E is on
[22:02] <Johnkx> everything works perfectly when its off
[22:02] <Ahmuck> has anyone seen drawpile?
[22:03] <Ahmuck> http://sourceforge.net/projects/drawpile/
[22:05] <bencrisford> Johnkx: i have found another thread on forums...  they seem to be suggesting pretty much the same things we have been
[22:05] <Johnkx> takes 4ever to download lol
[22:05] <Johnkx> ohh
[22:05] <Johnkx> I see
[22:05] <bencrisford> Johnkx: theres a couple of things there we havent tried
[22:06] <Johnkx> oh cool lets try it
[22:07] <bencrisford> try editing /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer
[22:08] <bencrisford> and add this line the line before last:
[22:08] <bencrisford> export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1
[22:08] <bencrisford> thats what the guy on forums says...
[22:08] <Johnkx> where can I see that /usr/lib/nsplugwin thingy
[22:08] <Johnkx> should I type it in the terminal?
[22:09] <bencrisford> you could go into terminal and type:
[22:09] <bencrisford> sudo nano /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer
[22:10] <bencrisford> then add a line just before the last one
[22:10] <bencrisford> export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1
[22:10] <bencrisford> someone on forums suggested it
[22:12] <bencrisford> once you have edited it
[22:12] <bencrisford> press Ctrl+X
[22:12] <bencrisford> then say yes to saving
[22:14] <bencrisford> Johnkx: hows it going?
[22:14] <Johnkx> lol sorry I'm really slow on using terminal. font is screwed up lol
[22:15] <Johnkx> lol sorry
[22:15] <Johnkx> whemn
[22:15] <Johnkx> when I try to press ctrl - x
[22:15] <Johnkx> it says xoff ignored, mumble muble
[22:16] <bencrisford> ok, close without saving
[22:16] <bencrisford> i dont feel confident suggesting this...
[22:16] <bencrisford> i dont want to risk you breaking anything
[22:16] <Johnkx> oh
[22:18] <Johnkx> kk =p
[22:18] <bencrisford> theres the 64bit flash download...  but thats an alpha version, so it doesnt come without risk either
[22:18] <Johnkx> oh
[22:18] <Johnkx> I guess I'll wait for the beta
[22:20] <Johnkx> just wondering, how come they say Linux is better than windows, but linux has a lot of things that still doesn't work
[22:27] <bencrisford> sorry about that
[22:27] <bencrisford> Johnkx: did i miss any messages from you?
[22:27] <bencrisford> i had computer trouble ;)
[22:30] <bencrisford> Johnkx: im sorry, i have to go
[22:31] <bencrisford> are you around later?  we could have another go at your flash
[22:31] <bencrisford> bbl
[22:45] <Johnkx> ahh na you didn't
[22:45] <Johnkx> sorry about the late rep lol
[22:46] <Johnkx> yeah sure, we can fix it later. Thanks btw
[23:47] <bencrisford> night everyone


[02:58] <kelvinliu> hpidcock: we only sync charm files, jujud to workload pod now, right?
[02:58] <kelvinliu> in init container stage?
[02:58] <hpidcock> charm files + ca.crt + operator.yaml
[02:58] <hpidcock> jujud is copied from the init-container's image
[02:59] <kelvinliu> what happens if we have a 2.6 model, we upgrade to 2.7, the workload pods does't re-init.
[03:00] <kelvinliu> so all files are missing, we won't be able to run actions stuff unless all pods are killed and re-init
[03:03] <kelvinliu> i think we still check if all dependencies are there or not before running an action. if no, syncs files first.
[03:04] <kelvinliu> init container is like a performance enhancement, but we can't just rely on it to provide the deps.
[03:06] <hpidcock> no we don't copy over anything in the exec anymore. wallyworld: safe to assume 2.6 models don't support running actions?
[03:06] <hpidcock> probably should add a block for that
[03:06] <hpidcock> check*
[03:07] <wallyworld> hpidcock: kelvinliu: yeah, k8s actions not supported in 2.6
[03:08] <wallyworld> to test the actions upgrade issue, will need to use a iaas model
[03:08] <hpidcock> wallyworld: should we add a check to make sure actions don't run on 2.6 models for CAAS?
[03:09] <hpidcock> technically exec should work, you just won't be able to use juju-run
[03:09] <kelvinliu> problem here is 2.7 models were upgraded from 2.6 won't be able to run actions as well
[03:09] <hpidcock> or other actions
[03:09] <wallyworld> we could add a check
[03:09] <wallyworld> why won't upgraded 2.7 models fail?
[03:09] <wallyworld> *work
[03:13] <hpidcock> the 2.6->2.7 models should be able to run actions since the deployment/statefulset will change with the new operator image on the init-container
[03:15] <kelvinliu> not sure why my mariadb wasn't re-init
[03:17] <hpidcock> could have been timing, but that is concerning
[03:20] <kelvinliu> EnsureService is only called if podspec has changes, right?
[03:21] <kelvinliu> or it's not called
[03:21] <wallyworld> that is the idea but when the agent restarts it loops through everything
[03:21] <wallyworld> the check is done for pod-spec-set
[03:27] <kelvinliu> good, good. i think it's just a bit delayed. ignore me, plz! 😃
[03:30] <hpidcock> scaring me half to death haha, I already have nightmares that the pod-init doesn't work 😨
[03:41] <kelvinliu> hahaha sorry for scared u... 😂
[04:29] <wallyworld> hpidcock: this is the fix for add-k8s https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10842
[04:29] <hpidcock> wallyworld: on it
[04:48] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: this is the fix for actionID, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10841 thanks!
[04:49] <wallyworld> looking
[04:55] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: lgtm, would be good to do a test on an iaas model
[04:56] <kelvinliu> yep
[05:34] <hpidcock> wallyworld: one problem with https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10842
[06:14] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: kelvinliu: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10843 - to addres add-k8s with pipe output :D
[06:14] <wallyworld> yay looking
[06:15] <anastasiamac> at the end was very simple... i was petrified that i'd have to write a complex test but it was a breeze (thnx to a kind sould that did smth similar) :D
[06:15] <wallyworld> hpidcock: ah yes, i had it as the k8s types but changed at last minute
[06:15] <wallyworld> will fix
[06:15] <anastasiamac> (and I mean kelvinliu of course!)
[06:16] <anastasiamac> when i say a 'kind soul'
[06:17] <wallyworld> lgtm ty
[06:17] <kelvinliu> anastasiamac: lgtm as well, thanks! 😊
[06:21] <anastasiamac> tvym!!
[06:25] <hpidcock> wallyworld: let me know when that change is up, I was unable to finish my testing
[06:40] <wallyworld> hpidcock: changes up, i just tested with microk8s again. external will not work until we allow externalName to be passed in. but loadbalancer works
[06:40] <wallyworld> which is the main bit
[06:45] <hpidcock> LGTM
[06:47] <wallyworld> yay ty
[06:47] <wallyworld> i'll just do a bit more testing
[07:35] <timClicks> wallyworld: pr 10842 will be an absolute game changer
[07:56] <wallyworld> i guess so. the fact it was broken was because we really only tested with public k8s, microk8s, or cdk
[07:57] <wallyworld> anything that adds new clusters to the mix is good
[07:57] <wallyworld> be interesting to see any uptick in interest