[06:38] <Burgundavia> ok, slackers
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, sorry about my poor effort on the UWN.. it's crazy here atm
[06:38] <Burgundavia> who wants to help me with UWN right now!
[06:38] <elkbuntu> i read your mind. i'm cool
[06:38] <nixternal> lets do this
[06:38] <nixternal> since im slow on docs right now, except for the handbook, which needs massive amounts of help
[06:39] <Burgundavia> ok, transferring to gobby
[06:40] <nixternal> uh oh
[06:40] <nixternal> is it me, or is this a 2 week edition?
[06:41] <elkbuntu> i think we probably need to make it a 2 week edition, say we lost a week and get over it
[06:41] <elkbuntu> because at this rate, it's ridiculous
[06:41] <Burgundavia> no, lets get this one out
[06:42] <Burgundavia> we can release the next one on tuesday of next week
[06:43] <Burgundavia> somebody want to  do meetings, etc.
[06:43] <Burgundavia> I am going to dig into edgy stuff
[06:43] <Burgundavia> todo:
[06:43] <Burgundavia> security updates
[06:43] <Burgundavia> 6.06 updates
[06:43] <Burgundavia> meetings
[06:43] <Burgundavia> bug stats
[06:43] <nixternal> security updates == 2 or 3 maybe
[06:43] <nixternal> 6.06 updates about the same
[06:44] <nixternal> meetings, that one is a bear
[06:44] <nixternal> bug stats, still rising
[06:44] <nixternal> ok next?
[06:44] <nixternal> ;)
[06:45] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:45] <Burgundavia> so this one ends on teh 14th
[06:45] <nixternal> i used to hate doing the meetings
[06:45] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, yes... we are 6 days behind
[06:45] <Burgundavia> I am fully aware of that
[06:45] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, which is why it's probably an idea to 'get over it' and do a 2-weeker :)
[06:46] <Burgundavia> that is way too much crap
[06:46] <Burgundavia> especially the edgy stuff
[06:46] <elkbuntu> then we be picky. we dont have to put every single world-wide mention of ubuntu into it
[06:47] <nixternal> 8 security issues total
[06:47] <Burgundavia> hush you
[06:47] <Burgundavia> nixternal: for which period
[06:47] <Burgundavia> you elected me editor in chief]
[06:47] <Burgundavia> I am making decision :)
[06:47] <nixternal> from the last release, until now
[06:47] <elkbuntu> dude, i didnt vote for nobody.. i dont even recall any election
[06:47] <imbrandon> moins fella's ( and lady )
[06:47] <poningru> :(
[06:47] <nixternal> 11 6.06 updates, plus language packs
[06:48] <Burgundavia> there was as much democracy as in the US
[06:48] <Burgundavia> now, you are either with us or against us
[06:48] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:48] <poningru> lol
[06:48] <nixternal> im a bush supporter, so watch out, cuz i will wage war
[06:48] <nixternal> im sure you have weapons of mass destruction somewhere
[06:48] <elkbuntu> ugh
[06:49] <poningru> someone check the coc to see if thats ok or not
[06:49] <imbrandon> 6 days behind isnt time to biker, lets get it going troops ;)
[06:49] <elkbuntu> gah.. hush dorothy :
[06:49] <imbrandon> i have a short tad i'd like to add on the one comming out next tues
[06:49] <nixternal> gahahaha
[06:49] <imbrandon> HAHA
[06:50] <nixternal> that was ownage
[06:50] <nixternal> imbrandon ain't in kansas no mo, he in the mo
[06:50] <imbrandon> kansas city is in missouri yes ;)
[06:51] <elkbuntu> i remembered the kansas part, that's all i cared for :
[06:52] <poningru> so imbrandon == dorothy??
[06:52] <nixternal> 428 new bugs since last uwn
[06:52] <nixternal> 17 critical
[06:52] <nixternal> 8399 unconfirmed
[06:52] <nixternal> 11971 unassigned
[06:53] <nixternal> all bugs == 60127
[06:53] <imbrandon> anyhow i come to marketing with a request ( and the veteran elkbuntu ) a call for people to help me orginise ubuntu-midwest LoCo , thus if someone wants to poke it into the UWN i would be greatfull ( hint hint )
[06:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:53] <nixternal> don't be scoping my grounds homey
[06:53] <nixternal> i have the midwest foolio
[06:53] <imbrandon> nixternal, chicago isnt midwest dopey ;)
[06:53] <nixternal> this will be bloods and crips
[06:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:54] <nixternal> monsters of the midway, capital of the midwest
[06:54] <nixternal> chicago is midwest, for as long as i can remember
[06:54] <Burgundavia> nixternal: be nice, stop voting for bush and all that
[06:54] <nixternal> i can't vote for him anymore
[06:54] <Burgundavia> thankfully
[06:54] <poningru> imbrandon: you do know about newz2000?
[06:55] <nixternal> newz2000 will be at ubuntu chicago next weekend!
[06:55] <nixternal> hime and troy from the forums
[06:55] <imbrandon> poningru, yea i talk to him regularly
[06:55] <Burgundavia> the worst part was, the rest of the world almost universally loathed the man, yet we can't vote against him but we did have to deal with it
[06:55] <poningru> imbrandon: iirc he is in the midwest
[06:55] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, if you're at the forefront of that loco, you should probably be #ubuntu-locoteams :)
[06:55] <nixternal> tis ok, i know the exchange hit the 12k mark today, making me even more money
[06:56] <nixternal> imbrandon: and when you do get the loco, get jbrouhard out of my channel and into yours ;)
[06:56] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:56] <imbrandon> nixternal, noooooooooooo
[06:56] <elkbuntu> nixternal, you cant get rid of them. we still have a new zealander in our channel :(
[06:56] <nixternal> i already have Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan members
[06:56] <nixternal> don't need missouri as well
[06:56] <nixternal> haha elkbuntu
[06:57] <poningru> speaking of which I need more ase people
[06:57] <elkbuntu> poningru, innocent factoids in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic do wonders :)
[06:57] <poningru> rofl
[06:58] <elkbuntu> o.O
[06:58] <elkbuntu> how the hell did you manage that?
[06:58] <poningru> [00:49:04]  <poningru> someone check the coc to see if thats ok or not
[06:59] <elkbuntu> have you tried joining it recently?
[06:59] <poningru> except iirc it was on gays or something
[06:59] <poningru> not really
[06:59] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[06:59] <elkbuntu> cos the ban list is small and i cant see a match to you on there
[06:59] <poningru> plus I cant with freenodes channel limit
[06:59] <poningru> so meh
[06:59] <elkbuntu> poningru, annoy a staffer and ask for more channels
[06:59] <Madpilot> poningru, you do know that normal bans only last 48hrs, right?
[07:00] <poningru> elkbuntu: they let you do that??
[07:00] <elkbuntu> poningru, sure. how else do you think there are some people in a list of channels longer than your arm?
[07:01] <poningru> they have longer arms than mine?
[07:03] <nixternal> hrmm...OOo2.0.4 is in this release...i thought that has been out for a while
[07:03] <nixternal> i got security updates
[07:04] <poningru> nixternal: post em on gobby
[07:05] <poningru> hooray
[07:13] <nixternal> ok, security and 6.06 done
[07:13] <nixternal> bugs done
[07:13] <nixternal> meetings?
[07:14] <nixternal> alright..i got the meetings
[07:14] <elkbuntu> well arent you just a machine
[07:15] <nixternal> hmm no wiki markup right?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:33] <nixternal> now, i just disconnect right, i don't close
 oh wow, there is going to be an ubuntu midwest, i am going to call imbrandon, and see what i can do to help him! thanks nixternal for telling me that!
[07:41] <nixternal> i wonder why johnlittle has been hiding from irc?
[07:41] <nixternal> it seems he made a blog post within the past 2 days
[07:42] <poningru> cause its end of october and everyone seems crazy
[07:42] <poningru> releasing right now
[07:42] <poningru> twenty projects right now
[07:42] <poningru> and a fracking search project which goes live in like a week
[07:42] <poningru> gaaaah
[07:43] <nixternal> elkbuntu: how come you aren't ubuntu user #1?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you write some about 3.5.5
[07:45] <nixternal> sure
[07:45] <Burgundavia> thanks
[07:48] <nixternal> [07:48] <nixternal> grr, -=, is that ok?
[07:50] <imbrandon> nixternal, you SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!! ( w.r.t. jbrouhard )
[07:50] <nixternal> haha
[07:50] <nixternal> that was a joke btw
[07:50] <nixternal> i almost forgot about it
[07:50] <nixternal> i ignore him so much..i feel bad
[07:50] <imbrandon> thats not even close to funny
[07:50] <nixternal> ya it was
[07:50] <nixternal> you almost called cingular to change your number
[07:51] <imbrandon> verizon and i did once already
[07:51] <nixternal> heh, same crappy server i got
[07:51] <nixternal> s/server/service ;)
[07:52] <nixternal> Burgundavia: should i create a new header for kde, or go along with the area you are in?
[07:52] <Burgundavia> just do a paragraph
[07:52] <nixternal> k
[07:53] <Burgundavia> I will edit it later
[07:58] <Burgundavia> can somebody write a blurb about the behind ubuntu interview?
[07:58] <nixternal> i got it
[07:59] <nixternal> who was intereviewed btw
[07:59] <Burgundavia> matt
[07:59] <Burgundavia> behind ubuntu lists it
[07:59] <nixternal> they just now posted it?  it says he was interviewed in august
[07:59] <nixternal> thats why i asked
[08:00] <nixternal> do we put that in the "In the Press" section?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> the interview was posted last week
[08:00] <Burgundavia> no, teh community stuff
[08:00] <nixternal> k
[08:00] <Burgundavia> first section
[08:05] <nixternal> done
[08:05] <nixternal> anything else?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nixternal: add the qt4.2 stuff
[08:07] <nixternal> k
[08:23] <Burgundavia> can you do some spellchecking?
[08:24] <nixternal> heh
[08:25] <nixternal> ok, someone needs to tell the obby people to add some spell checking
[08:26] <Burgundavia> no, we need telepathy
[08:32] <elkbuntu> did youse get it done yet?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: slacker
[08:36] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, you dont know half of it :(
[08:40] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, survey results out yet? ;)
[08:40] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, you can keep him. australia doesnt want him :
[08:41] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: after that last remark, yep
[08:45] <nixternal> spell checking done
[08:52] <Burgundavia> ok, anybody else editing?
[08:52] <nixternal> Burgundavia: the behind ubuntu story is on there twice
[08:52] <nixternal> once in press with the osdir linkage, and then the top
[08:52] <Burgundavia> clean that up
[08:52] <nixternal> remove mine
[08:52] <nixternal> im going to leave the press one
[08:52] <Burgundavia> remove the in the press one
[08:52] <nixternal> arg
[08:53] <nixternal> ok
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I am going to write the in this issue
[08:54] <nixternal> i just quit right?  don't close anything, just flat out quit, leaving the file open on the server
[08:55] <Burgundavia> bloody no undo
[08:55] <Burgundavia> yep, just quit
[08:56] <nixternal> ok, im out
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ok, copying back to the wiki
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ok, last pieces before I send?
[09:00] <nixternal> not here
[09:06] <Burgundavia> ok, sent
[09:06] <elkbuntu> yay
[09:07] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you kickstart next weeks while I change the relevant pages?
[09:07] <nixternal> sure
[09:11] <nixternal> you posting the text version or do you want me to rock it?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> oh, we need a fridge story
[09:25] <nixternal> fridge story posted, awaiting approval by someone
[09:26] <nixternal> Burgundavia: want me to do the text based post to the list, or are you handling that?
[09:26] <nixternal> nm
[09:26] <nixternal> you HANDLED that
[09:31] <elkbuntu> hes gone to bed afaik
[09:33] <jenda> bout time too ;)
[09:33] <jenda> Good morning
[09:33] <jenda> I'm out
[09:33] <jenda> Latin class...
[09:48] <mdke> good work on UWN people
[10:47] <elkbuntu> mdke, heh.. pity about the tardiness of it though :(
[10:48] <jenda> Anyone have a clue where the sleeve for the Ubuntu DVD could be DL'd?
[10:48] <elkbuntu> jenda, is there not one on the diy wiki page?
[10:49] <jenda> only CD and breezy DVD
[10:52] <elkbuntu> :(
[10:57] <jenda> seems he is happy with the cd version - nevermind that, then.
[10:57] <jenda> I s'pose the DVD cover is owned by amazon.
[10:58] <elkbuntu> probably
[11:00] <elkbuntu> no harm in creating one yourself though ;)
[11:00] <jenda> hehe ;)
[11:00] <jenda> I don't need it - it's a guy in #ubuntu-cz
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, :)
[02:24] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[02:24] <jenda> yo KK
[02:24] <jenda> Huzzah MenZa ;)
[02:25] <MenZa> Heya :)
[02:25] <jenda> What's up, you two ;)
[02:25] <MenZa> Oh not much
[02:25] <MenZa> I just got Evanescence's new album :9
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm trying to do tafe work, but i'm to stuffed - even after napping
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, you need a bank acco87unt for some reason?
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *account
[02:28] <jenda> yes :)
[02:28] <jenda> I have some cash on my paypal, but no way of extracting it without an account.
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl :D
[02:29] <jenda> ATM, it's 100, but presumably, I will rotate about 400 over the course of time for them posters :
[02:30] <jenda> :)
[02:30] <jenda> I can't afford to pay for the posters till I get my 100
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm impressed you managed this long without an account
[02:35] <jenda> hehe
[02:35] <jenda> It was a really pressing issue. I was too lazy though :)
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*, your reminding me i need to change bank.
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm too lazy though ;)
[02:35] <jenda> The great thing is that the Czech 'Sporitelna' gives me an account, a debit card, a credit card and all the online services for free + a 200 CZK ($10) annual bonus just because I'm a student :) :) :)
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. fair effort.
[02:35] <jenda> very
[02:35] <jenda> and I pay $0.10 for transfers and $0.25 for incoming payments, such as paypal
[02:35] <jenda> Sounds fair to me.
[02:36] <jenda> But if I disappear from IRC within the next year, it's prolly because they pulled my pants over some trick I didn't notice and I had to sell my lappy ;)
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek! may it never get to that :)
[02:42] <jenda> I guess i could read the thick stack of conditions etc. they gave me, now that I'm a lawyer :)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i'll send you my banks, and you can tell me what it means :P
[02:42] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: ok, sure no problem, anytime...
[02:42] <jenda> ... it'll be $135.20
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> US or NZ? ;)
[02:42] <jenda> umm... lemme check the conversion rates...
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> *rofl*
[02:42] <jenda> can be either :)
[02:42] <jenda> 1 NZD is 14 CZK, so $135.20 is still a fair deal for me :)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) tahts only $120~ in AUD then (135NZ~)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:42] <jenda> rather useful, imo :)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> xe.com=cool, but i dont convert currency that much :)
[02:42] <jenda> I just got an envelope in the mail today with a 200 Slovak crown bill
[02:42] <jenda> WTF am I gonna do with it I dunno :)
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> wallpapering? :D
[02:42] <jenda> (we go to slovakia twice a year, so it won't be _that_ much trouble :))
[02:43] <jenda> How do I add attachments to the wiki?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:43] <jenda> (damn i should know that ;))
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> dropdown menu
[02:45] <jenda> got it :)
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> jenda: I have a Slovak friend here at school that would probably be happy to have that show up in the mail.
[02:53] <jenda> :)
[02:53] <jenda> I'm happy too, don't worry :)
[02:53] <jenda> It's money all the same - and it's the money I put in the stickers.
[02:53] <jenda> Money coming back after you gave it away definitely must feel better than new money :)
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i agree :)
[04:40] <grenegar> heh, when i joined this channel, i though it said "Help us PWN" instead of "Help us write UWN...". Better get some coffee...
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:44] <jenda> haha :)
[04:48] <elkbuntu> grenegar, you are allowed to help us PWN as well :)
[04:55] <grenegar> lol! i do what i can...
[04:56] <lophyte> grenegar: how goes the effort in Winnipeg?
[04:59] <grenegar> lophyte: it goes slowly, but steadily.
[04:59] <grenegar> i find it interesting when i talk to people about ubuntu....
[05:02] <grenegar> many are intrigued by the powerful, yet free, capability.
[05:02] <grenegar> however the biggest barrier is change and learning something new
[05:05] <grenegar> from what's I've read lately, it seems that Vista will be very good for Ubuntu - everyone I talk to would rather make an effort to try something new than spend money on hardware and software
[05:06] <lophyte> not to mention all the DRM and stupid crap that Vista is bringing with it
[05:08] <lophyte> we're gonna be bringing a 12-foot inflatable Tux to the Vista launch party in Toronto
[05:10] <elkbuntu> rofl
[05:10] <grenegar> no doubt. people i talk to *hate* the idea of being restricted. i work at a university and our network admins are none-to-thrilled about tossing the corporate install disc and having to set up a dedicated license server.
[05:10] <grenegar> lophyte: I love it!! I *need* pictures of this!
[05:10] <lophyte> hehe, there will be
[05:10] <elkbuntu> and video
[05:10] <lophyte> I think we should do an all-out protest
[05:11] <lophyte> make some noise
[05:11] <lophyte> get some media coverage :P
[05:12] <grenegar> that's awesome!
[05:12] <lophyte> people protest all the time over controversial things...
[05:12] <lophyte> so why not this?
[05:12] <lophyte> this *IS* controversial, people just don't realize it
[05:13] <grenegar> should definitely generate some exposure for all things tux
[05:13] <lophyte> indeed
[05:13] <jenda> lophyte: omg... Iwannacome!!!
[05:13] <lophyte> and they can't ask us to leave, as long as we're protesting peacefully
[05:14] <lophyte> they could ask us to take down the penguin probably, but not leave...
[05:14] <lophyte> we have the right to peaceful gathering
[05:14] <grenegar> --> tux shirts for all
[05:14] <lophyte> hehe, yeah :)
[05:14] <lophyte> now I'm considering making a sign, hehe
[05:14] <lophyte> yay protests
[05:16] <lophyte> I can't say I've ever heard of open source protesting.. but why not? that's how everyone else who's trying to promote a cause makes noise
[05:16] <lophyte> if a law is going to be passed that a large group of people disagree with, they protest
[05:22] <grenegar> "'computer folks' everywhere are protesting against having a lowered quality of living...
[05:22] <lophyte> lol
[05:23] <grenegar> "one guys said 'I constantly have to clean spyware and viruses from all my friend's and family's computers, I become somewhat depressed, and may end up costing the health system as a result" lol
[05:23] <lophyte> hahaha
[05:25] <elkbuntu> rofl
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:26] <lophyte> honestly though, I don't think a protest is too far-fetched
[05:26] <lophyte> how else can we make noise to the masses
[05:28] <Burgundavia> gettinh ubuntu taled about in the press
[05:29] <lophyte> indeed.. and open source in general
[05:31] <grenegar> totally agree. using and supporting M$ stuff leads to Office Space style anxiety. Many corporate environments are locked in to M$ to some extent, so computer professionals working in that environment are essentially an oppressed minority group. Definitely a reason to protest.
[05:31] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, you mean so long as it's not done the reiser way?
[05:31] <lophyte> lol
[05:32] <lophyte> grenegar: using and supporting anything that contains DRM technology
[05:32] <lophyte> though telling everyone that their ipods are bad for them wouldn't go over so well :P
[05:33] <grenegar> lophyte: ya, DRM, binary file formats and closed-source binary applications.
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lophyte, no, but its the truth
[05:36] <lophyte> indeed
[05:36] <grenegar> IT guy --> hand tied
[05:36] <grenegar> kicked in groin (optionally)
[05:38] <grenegar> Kamping_Kaiser: lol, i just strong arm my way to the computer, shield others from the computer with my body while loading Ubuntu. lol!
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[05:39] <lophyte> nice, I got some ideas flowing
[05:39] <lophyte> I've got a cool idea for a commercial, hehe
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all, i'm going to crash
[05:40] <lophyte> a guy dressed up nicely, clearly an IT type guy, sitting in a cubical with his hands tied behind his back, trying to work on his computer
[05:40] <grenegar> (typing with tongue)
[05:40] <lophyte> hehe, yeah
[05:40] <lophyte> or feet
[05:40] <grenegar> lol
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> drat. i want to see thsi converstaion - i'll try and find logs later :( looks like it will be fun
[05:40] <lophyte> hehe
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> tougng would be better
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'easier' :P
[05:41] <lophyte> I'd really like to shoot a couple of pro-opensource advertisements for fun
[05:41] <lophyte> post them up to ubuntuvideo
[05:42] <grenegar> and if done well, would develop some internet popularity (Digg, Slashdot,...)
[05:42] <lophyte> indeed
[05:43] <lophyte> wb
[05:44] <gregbuntu> grenegar --> gregbuntu
[05:44] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): TheFridge
[05:44] <gregbuntu> :)
[05:45] <jenda> huh?
[05:46] <gregbuntu> another idea for promotional video: see http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/2006/10/20/drunkbuntu/
[05:47] <gregbuntu> "so easy to use, you can do it while loaded"
[05:47] <lophyte> haha
[05:51] <gregbuntu> 2 IT guys setting up server for boss, (a) one loading M$ (b) other loading Ubuntu... cut scene to 1 hour later... boss: "what's the status?" guy (a): "almost done setting up the license server, then we can start loading the server up". guy (b) slurring words: "We've been live for half an hour".
[06:00] <Klaidas> ;] ] ] ]
[06:00] <Klaidas> heh
[06:00] <Klaidas> there's always the othger side you know
[06:03] <Klaidas> 2 IT guys setting up desktop PC for boss, (a) one loading M$ (b) other loading Linux... cut scene to 1 hour later... boss: "what's the status?" guy (a): "almost done setting it up I'll just install antivirus, anti spyware and stuff like that". guy (b) slurring words: "We've been live for half an hour". Cut scene to 2 hours later: guy (a): "I'm glad seeing you enjoying this new PC" guy (b): I hope he doesnt need to play/do some serious grap
[06:08] <lophyte> hehe
[06:08] <lophyte> that would rock
[06:10] <gregbuntu> hehe
[08:01] <Burgwork> I feel sorry for Suse
[08:01] <Burgwork> everytime they pull ahead in the DW stats, we announce another release
[08:04] <nixternal> lol
[11:43] <nixternal> yo yo
[11:45] <Burgwork> hey nixternal
[11:45] <nixternal> my lord i have come up with one hell of a marketing campaign for 7.04
[11:47] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27566/
[11:47] <nixternal> there it is for all to enjoy
[11:47] <nixternal> it is copylefted ;)
[11:50] <MenZa> hahaha
[11:51] <MenZa> That is brilliant
[11:51] <MenZa> elkbuntu: topic that :D
[11:51] <MenZa> oh wait
[11:51] <MenZa> nixternal, you're a member
[11:51] <MenZa> You can topic it.
[11:53] <Burgwork> nixternal: patent that and sell it to Mark ;)
[11:54] <nixternal> hehe
[11:54] <nixternal> im blogging it as we speak
[11:58] <MenZa> I should too.


[01:25] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 394037
[01:25] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 394037 in Build & Release "Version/config bumps for Gecko1.9a8 release" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394037
[01:25] <Ubulette> Bump version to 3.0b1pre/1.9b1pre
[01:25] <Ubulette> Confirmed this morning that next milestone (m9) is actually going to be first
[01:25] <Ubulette> beta, hence used "b1", not "a9".
[01:26] <Ubulette> benjamin said: FWIW, we are going to switch to 3-digit versions for FF3, so it will be
[01:26] <Ubulette> FF3.0.1, 3.0.2, etc.
[01:26] <Ubulette> The gecko numbers will remain 4-digit, e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:26] <Ubulette> asac, ^^
[01:49] <asac> Ubulette: xul usually is behind
[01:49] <asac> is there a tag set alreawdy for xulrunner?
[01:50] <asac> thanks for info about versioning switch
[02:31] <gnomefreak> beans: you asked about something this morning or last night what was it i had answer but you left already
[02:32] <gnomefreak> ah nvm its about <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <gnomefreak> beans: iirc it was a windows update and that is it (quick time i think was it) so it doesnt apply to us please see http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/<IP_ADDRESS>/releasenotes/ for more info
[02:49] <gnomefreak> i found the frigging problem with gdm and it needs to stop the bs
[03:45] <beans> gnomefreak: it was about firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:49] <beans> I was wondering how long it usually takes for new firefox releases to become apt-gettable
[03:50] <beans> of course, you went to bed an hour ago so, you will not read this. but maybe someone else will answer
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> beans: I'm going to guess a week, but I'm just throwing out numbers.
[01:17] <asac> bug 139403
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139403 in network-manager "network-manager should stop managing any interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139403
[02:43] <gnomefreak> asac: are you able to make network-manager icon movable with next upload?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> for some reason it all the way to right on top gnome panel (to the right of time nad date, and nothing i do will make it move
[02:45] <gnomefreak> hmmm i dont htink its n-m i think its gnome :(
[02:46] <asac> gnomefreak: its not a gnome applet its a tray icon ... so nothing i can/need to do
[02:46] <gnomefreak> asac: its the same with udate-manager icon
[02:47] <gnomefreak> so maybe ill try to remove the taaskbar and see if that helps
[02:47] <asac> gnomefreak: you can move the whole tray applet
[02:47] <asac> but not individual tray icons
[02:48] <gnomefreak> thats what im thinking
[03:23] <bluekuja_> asac: news?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: 1.1.9 was released this morning but i dont see that PPA was made publick and mathew is gone for a week.
[04:25] <asac> bluekuja_: about?
[07:28] <Jazzva> Evening...
[07:29] <bluekuja_> asac: about bitstorm
[07:29] <asac> ah right ... probably not today. nm took all the time again :(
[07:30] <bluekuja_> asac: nm?
[07:30] <bluekuja_> are you an am for nm process?
[07:34] <asac> network-manager
[07:36] <bluekuja_> oooh^^
[07:36] <bluekuja_> lol
[07:36] <bluekuja_> asac: well, let me know
[07:36] <bluekuja_> diff-ext got forwarded to upstream
[08:06] <Ubulette> yop
[08:32] <Ubulette> asac, did you do something /w ff3 yet ?
[08:37] <asac> Ubulette: hey :) ... thought you would be away for the weekend ;)
[08:38] <Ubulette> leaving tomorrow morning
[08:40] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, damn, still no official ppa :(
[08:45] <Ubulette> asac, I'll do the ff3 clean-up
[09:25] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: sorry i can honestly say at this rate it may be a while, i cant find too many bug features to see when it will be released but i would think ~gutsy release, matt is in crete he is one of the ones i talk to about it hes gone ~1 week or so. sometime by around wed. ill see how far off but atm noone has a date of when
[09:28] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, how's your health ?
[09:28] <gnomefreak> everything is still swollen but im feeling alot better still have long way to go from what drs say
[09:29] <gnomefreak> one of these devls needs to get on the damn ball with this gdm issue but not sure if its my monitor or gdm/kdm that is the issue
[09:39] <Ubulette> asac, gnomefreak: ok, i've updated trunk to be ff-3.0 (no tarball bump just yet)
[09:39] <Ubulette> I'm gonna try it see if it work
[09:39] <Ubulette> s
[09:40] <Ubulette> then, I can bring a8-final on top and see how it behaves
[09:44] <Ubulette> asac_ ? did you read ?
[09:50] <asac_> Ubulette: well ... i read yes ... can you please rename the branch you want to overwrite?
[09:51] <asac_> so i can check later what was lost?
[09:51] <asac_> or not lost ;)
[09:51] <Ubulette> I just pushed to .dev
[09:51] <asac_> ok
[09:51] <asac_> i will take a look then
[09:51] <Ubulette> just app rename in 1 commit, no other change
[09:51] <asac_> thanks
[09:51] <asac_> yep
[09:52] <asac_> Ubulette: but you didn't add a transitional package for firefox-granparadiso -> firefox-3.0 ?
[09:52] <Ubulette> I builds a8~cvsxxxxx (like old trunk)
[09:52] <asac_> right
[09:52] <Ubulette> no, I did replaces
[09:52] <asac_> is the date already ahead of a8?
[09:52] <Ubulette> no
[09:52] <asac_> Ubulette: afaik just replaces is not enough
[09:53] <Ubulette> i did that for miro (replaces democracyplayer) it worked
[09:53] <asac_> well ... afaik apt isn't that smart
[09:53] <asac_> but i will test
[09:53] <Ubulette> i'll try with my bot see if it upgrades my system
[09:53] <Ubulette> I read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[09:54] <asac> yes, we need a transitional package
[09:55] <asac> doing that will just take care that the package is properly replaced if you explicitly install it
[09:55] <asac> but then ... maybe apt has become really smart in recent history
[09:55] <Ubulette> hmm, right. Maybe with a provides ?
[09:56] <asac> Ubulette: no ... it doesn't help at all ... we don't do transitional packages for the fun of it
[09:56] <asac> ;)
[09:56] <asac> but give it a try
[09:56] <asac> maybe things have changed
[10:06] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 394671
[10:06] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 394671 in Help "cvs remove extensions/help" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394671
[10:56] <Ubulette> asac, I've added dummy packages as it didn't work
[11:21] <Ubulette> asac, gnomefreak: ff3.dev #79 builds and run fine (still trunk)
[11:21] <Ubulette> I'm trying real a8 now.
[11:22] <asac> Ubulette: ok fine
[11:22] <Ubulette> question is now, profile migration. should I migrate trunk or gp ?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> my day is still not good
[11:22] <asac> Ubulette: you ask to which dir to migrate?
[11:22] <Ubulette> no
[11:22] <Ubulette> user profile
[11:23] <asac> what do you suggest?
[11:23] <Ubulette> I have ~/.mozilla/{firefox,granparadiso,firefox-trunk}  and I want to migrate 1 to ~/mozilla/firefox-3.0
[11:24] <Ubulette> I could take the freshest based on a timestamp of a file like profiles.ini
[11:28] <Ubulette> hmm. maybe prefer trunk over gp over pure ff is better
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: when you check your email you will see bugs from LP cleaning service please look at them see if we need to keep them, i didnt get the bug till after i deleted them but there are a few bugs with the cleaning service like closing bugs with upstream tasks that shouldnt be closed
[11:34] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3-Error-Console.png   xul/python still needs tweaking
[11:36] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, can I push things to the ppa or do you prefer to be the only ppa master ? :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: the next few week feel free but you are gonna have a hard time doing that i think
[11:37] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: iirc even team uploaders have to be beta team
[11:37] <gnomefreak> but feel free to try it
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i may be reformatting again this week anyway. this gdm bug is starting to piss me off something awfull and the people dont want to cant find issue to fix it
[11:39] <gnomefreak> but if it keeps happening suse is looking good again and i hate suse
[11:40] <Ubulette> :)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> X should beable to resize no matter what you do to monitor settings and the desktop team or X team fails to relize this
[12:06] <Ubulette> hmm. auto expiring bugs after 60 days is harsh for users
[12:10] <asac> Ubulette: lets just care for migrating gutsy gp profiles
[12:10] <asac> Ubulette: are they already forked of?
[12:10] <asac> or is gutsy gp still using main ffox profile?
[12:12] <Ubulette> it's using ~/.mozilla/granparadiso
[12:12] <asac> ok so if one has that lets migrate it ... otherwise migrate default ... if you really care for trunk migration we could do that as well
[12:12] <asac> the order would be like you suggested
[12:16] <Ubulette> done
[12:16] <asac> ok :)
[12:16] <Ubulette> ok. now, how do I move to a8 as this last commit will not be released on ppa..
[12:19] <Ubulette> hm, the bump to 3.0a9pre just landed, good
[12:19] <asac> yep
[12:21] <Ubulette> firefox-3.0_3.0~a9~cvs20070921t1443.orig.tar.gz :)
[12:22] <Ubulette> asac, the a8 tarball is huge again :(
[12:23] <asac> huge? you mean the official one, right?
[12:23] <Ubulette> yep
[12:23] <Ubulette> 3.5 times bigger
[12:24] <asac> we should allow mozclient to be used with arbitrary MOZ_CO_TAGS
[12:24] <asac> so we can produce a minimized snapshot of releases/branches
[12:25] <Ubulette> should be easy
[12:33] <Ubulette> asac, can you push ff3 to ppa please so that I can tag it as released and move forward?
[12:34] <asac> Ubulette: he? ... feel free to close changelog with a8-0ubuntu1~ppa1 version ... and move on
[12:35] <asac> Ubulette: 1.1.9 is out afaik ... you should be able to push
[12:35] <Ubulette> still beta
[12:35] <Ubulette> well, i'll try
[12:35] <asac> really? I think i saw an announcement a few hours back
[12:37] <Ubulette> yep, for 1.1.9 but no real news about ppa being released
[12:37] <Ubulette> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[12:38] <Ubulette> cannot push to bzr
[12:42] <Ubulette> "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in three minutes. "
[12:46] <asac> oh
[12:46] <asac> hmm
[12:47] <asac> what now?
[12:47] <Ubulette> OperationalError
[12:47] <Ubulette> A server error occurred.
[12:47] <asac> in case you leave before it comes up, maybe push the branch to sofaraway
[12:47] <asac> i can upload to .dev then while you are awawy
[01:03] <Ubulette> asac, just tried to merge ff.dev into ff (ex gp) for fun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38178/
[01:06] <Ubulette> Planned maintenance
[01:06] <Ubulette> 2007-09-21 22:30 - 23:30 UTC - Code and Database Patch
[01:06] <Ubulette> Search
[01:07] <asac> hmm ... something just fucked up here
[01:07] <asac> browser hangs, right mouse button is broken et al
[01:09] <Ubulette> asac, during an upgrade ?
[01:13] <asac> no as always its my wifi usb thing that kills my kernel
[01:13] <asac> had to hard reset the system
[01:14] <asac> the driver appears to fill up something in the kernel
[01:14] <asac> once i unplug it, the kernel starts to choke
[01:15] <Ubulette> bad
[01:15] <asac> indeed ;)
[01:15] <asac> maybe i should fix it
[01:31] <Ubulette> indeed


[06:19] <arand> Hmm, so all threads that were in the natty subforum are now locked and no one is able to answer still open questions?
[16:55] <Technoviking> arand: people can request question be move from that forum to the general support forums
[16:56] <arand> Ok, I just felt that a lot of things are going to get lost in there, though I understand all of it can't stick around either..
[17:45] <kcin1>  is there skype for arm?
[17:57]  * zenrox throttles darkmatter and gives him a nuugie
[18:04] <Chico1986> hello everyone, I am having some issues with getting my wireless working, could anyone help?
[18:05] <zenrox> like what and what wifi card
[18:06] <Chico1986> BCM 4321 when I click to activate the driver i get an error, jockey.log shows an output that the driver directory doesn't exists
[18:06] <zenrox> ok hold on i am going to doo some searching for you
[18:07] <Chico1986> cool, thanks! I'm on 11.04 MacBook 3,1 if that helps
[18:08] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1704027&highlight=setup+bcm4321+macbook <--check that out
[18:09] <Chico1986> awesome thanks!
[18:09] <zenrox> looks like that is for compiling the source for your card
[18:10] <Chico1986> yeah its weird on 10.04 it worked fine
[18:11] <Chico1986> yeah the article shows solved but they said they don't know how they did it
[18:11] <zenrox> that happens on upgrades sometimes if an old config file usualy gets in the way that dint get updated right
[18:11] <zenrox> thay did every thang
[18:11] <zenrox> it probly took a reboot to get the drive loaded
[18:11] <Chico1986> ahh ic
[18:52] <Chico1986> @zenrox, so I'm following the instruction but it doesn't seem to be creating the needed wl.ko
[18:58] <zenrox> ask in #ubuntu
[18:58] <zenrox> and tell them your prob
[18:58] <zenrox> i am a little more rusty on compiling modules
[18:59] <zenrox> but some one may be able to fix it with out compiling
[19:01] <Chico1986> okay thanks!
[19:35] <TonyC1> hello
[19:38] <TonyC1> hello
[23:43] <igitihi> hi there! I'm trying to restore my MBR (dual boot with xp). It was destroyed (?) ba an XP install. Can anybody help please?
[23:51] <igitihi> Is anybody able to help me restore my grub menu? I can't boot into Ubuntu anymore... Please, it's urgent!


[00:42] <jwrigley> hi ppl, is there some easy way to install the packages of lubuntu in ubuntu?
[00:43] <Unit193> Are you looking to replace Ubuntu with Lubuntu?
[00:43] <Unit193> Are you using 11.04?
[00:43] <jwrigley> yes to both questions
[00:44] <jwrigley> but preferably without reinstalling
[00:44] <Unit193> !purelxde
[00:45] <Unit193> Or just   sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[00:47] <jwrigley> thanks, that was just it, I was just looking for it under tasks, thanks!
[00:48] <Unit193> Awesome, have a great convert ;)
[00:49] <jwrigley> thanks :)
[03:22] <silverarrow> hi
[03:22] <silverarrow> is there any known conflicts that affects windows media plugin?
[04:52] <daniel__> hey :) is there a way to generate (manually) thumbnails for PCManFM, the filemanager?
[04:52] <daniel__> i need thumbnails from my raw camera photos
[04:53] <jmarsden> daniel__: Do you know specifically what file format you need the thumbnail images to be in?
[04:54] <silverarrow> how do you go about checking plugin conflicts in gnome mplayer?
[04:55] <daniel__> i just need to know where PCManFM stores the thumbnails so i can use imagemagick to create the thumbnails :)
[04:56] <silverarrow> I think I must have some kind of winlib32 trouble
[04:56] <silverarrow> libwin32
[04:56] <jmarsden> daniel__: OK... so you can probably just get pcmanfm to create one and do something like find ~ -mtime -1    to see all files created in the last day... or you can read the pcmanfm sources to see what it does.  I'll see if it is easy to find out...
[04:56] <daniel__> jmarsden, ah nice idea, thanks
[04:57] <jmarsden> daniel__: You're welcome.
[04:59] <silverarrow> mplaye /gecko used to stream fine, but after an update something went wrong. It works for most stuff, but not online tv
[04:59] <silverarrow> I am searching for a way to tackle what I imagine is some kind of plugin / update conflict
[04:59] <silverarrow> any idea?
[04:59] <jmarsden> daniel__: Looks like ~/.thumbnails/ is the place you seek.
[05:00] <daniel__> uh, but with weird names, i guess it's using some sort of hash name
[05:00] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Remove all plugins.  See if issue is now gone.  add them back one at a time, testing each time.  Then you will know which one causes the problem.
[05:01] <silverarrow> sounds good
[05:01] <silverarrow> I am afraid some of my terminal install stuff might not be showing in package manager
[05:02] <silverarrow> me and terminal is a bit like shots in the dark
[05:02] <jmarsden> daniel__: Indeed.  You'll need to read the pcmanfm sources to figure out how it is hashing the filenames, I suspect.  Or you could just let pcmanfm generate them insyead?
[05:02] <silverarrow> i suppose terminal maneuvering is classified under dark arts
[05:02] <daniel__> jmarsden, pcmanfm doesn't support ".cr2" raw files, it seems :-/
[05:02] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then don't play russian roulette, (a) learn more about Linux and (b) ask for help before using the terminal!
[05:04] <silverarrow> yeah that might be the ideal order of things, but I am afraid I learn rather randomly by trying and failing
[05:04] <jmarsden> daniel__: Ah, OK.  That would make sense.  I think there is a special library for handling raw files, and I would guess pcmanfm does not link to it.
[05:04] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then at least learn by randomly trying and doing things that are listed in a Linux tutorial :)
[05:05] <silverarrow> promise
[05:05] <daniel__> jmarsden, indeed. i installed that (libraw) and that's why i could use other apps to create thumbs. Will check if md5 crc works + imagemagick convert ;)
[05:08] <silverarrow> I can boot much the same set up of gnome mplayer and gecko in puppy linux, so I know it still works technically
[05:08] <silverarrow> puppy linux is not nearly as solid as lubuntu, so it's really not an alternative
[05:09] <silverarrow> a bit flimsy and erratic os
[05:12] <silverarrow> where has 525 download gone?
[05:12] <silverarrow> sorry
[05:12] <jmarsden> daniel__: I think you need to look at the code in libfm/src/base/fm-path.c, the function fm_path_hash()
[05:13] <silverarrow> is there a way to list plugins or setups in terminal ?
[05:13] <daniel__> thanks alot
[05:13] <jmarsden> daniel__: You're welcome.
[05:13] <silverarrow> I am wondering about the rumors of a lubuntu release in october
[05:13] <daniel__> jmarsden, there's nothing better than open source where you can just take a look at the source :)
[05:14] <daniel__> silverarrow, lubuntu will release at the same time ubuntu releases
[05:14] <jmarsden> silverarrow: They had better not be just rumours :)  Lubuntu 11.10 will come out along with all other official Ubuntu flavors :)
[05:15] <silverarrow> lubuntu is the one I like best these days
[05:15] <jmarsden> silverarrow: There probably is a way to list plugins, but it depends how gnome-mplayer handles them, and I am not familiar with it at anywhere close to that kinds of detail.
[05:15] <silverarrow> Regular Ubuntu runs fine on my new laptop, and totem is good
[05:16] <silverarrow> yes it is a trick thing
[05:16] <silverarrow> and made even more foggy when I cannot remember what I installed extra
[05:16] <jmarsden> daniel__: Re open source... that is why I spend so much time with Linux and open source, and have since 1992 :)
[05:17] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Oh, to see what packages you installed?  look in /var/log/dpkg* for that.
[05:17] <silverarrow> thanks
[05:18] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Or use dpkg -l | grep ^ii for a list of currently installed packages, so maybe   dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep mplayer    might help??
[05:18] <silverarrow> var?
[05:19] <silverarrow> I'm in filemanager, showing hidden
[05:19] <jmarsden> silverarrow: /var is a directory in Linux... /var/log is where the log files are.  /var/log/dpkg.log is the current log of what dpkg has done on your machine.
[05:20] <jmarsden> I just use the shell, filemanagers are not much use to me, even though I spend a bit of time helping out with pcmanfm sometimes :)
[05:21] <jmarsden> silverarrow: So I would do    less /var/log/dpkg.log     to see the current dpkg log file, for example.  No file manager needed.
[05:21] <silverarrow> thanks, found it ;- )
[05:21] <silverarrow> terminal gave an enormous list
[05:22] <jmarsden> I said /var/log/dpkg* ....   does ls /var/log/dpkg*   give "an enormous list" ??  Really?
[05:24] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/4ZmtcTQm
[05:25] <jmarsden> That's not a list of files, that is the contents of one file :)
[05:25] <silverarrow> oh, there is a difference?
[05:25] <jmarsden> silverarrow: do    ls /var/log/dpkg*       and then do    less /var/log/dpkg*    to see the difference.
[05:26] <jmarsden> The first lists the files matching that pathname/filename, the second reads them using less.
[05:27] <jmarsden> Now you can reduce the amount of info you need to read, using grep... something like    grep mplayer /var/log/dpkg.log   for example.
[05:28] <jmarsden> To further reduce that, you could decide you only care about "status installed" entries, and so do    grep mplayer /var/log/dpkg.log |grep "status installed"
[05:29] <jmarsden> Usual normal searching for strings in text files, in other words.
[05:29] <silverarrow> nothing much turns up
[05:29] <jmarsden> Ok, so what kinds of names do your plugin packages have?  Maybe thet do not have "mplayer" in their names?
[05:30] <silverarrow> except dpkg -l | grep ^ii     resulted in a lot
[05:30] <jmarsden> Well, that's a list of all installed packages, so that should be a lot :)
[05:30] <silverarrow> they should have mplayer in their name, at least some of them, or perhaps gecko
[05:31] <silverarrow> my windows media plugin keeps crashing
[05:31] <silverarrow> it's a message I get in browser
[05:32] <jmarsden> So what package is it, do you have any idea?  And if so, uninstall it and see if the problem goes away :)
[05:33] <silverarrow> I have of course the lubuntu restriceds found in package manager
[05:33] <silverarrow> then I think I went for some medibuntu packages
[05:34] <silverarrow> which might be the main stuff
[05:34] <silverarrow> I have the plugin for mplayer and gecko in browser
[05:36] <jmarsden> You need the *name* of the package...
[05:38] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/173041
[05:39] <silverarrow> I need to get more clever at this
[05:39] <jmarsden> That just says you do not have any other packages installed with mplayer in their names.
[05:39] <jmarsden> Do you know *when* you added these plugin packages?  Date?
[05:40] <jmarsden> if so you can search the dpkg.log by date to find them.
[05:40] <silverarrow> about 60 days ago or so
[05:41] <jmarsden> OK, so look in the dpkg.log file for things installed around July 20th and see if they look like the plugins.
[05:45] <silverarrow>  it turned out a bit tricky
[05:46] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Why?  WHat is tricky about reading and searching a text file?
[05:47] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/Vtccd9Qy
[05:49] <jmarsden> That does not look like output from dpkg.log on a particular date.  So either I am confused, or you are... ?
[05:50] <jmarsden> For example, does    grep 2011-07-20 /var/log/dpkg.log |grep "status installed"       show you anything relevant?
[05:50] <silverarrow> probably me
[05:53] <silverarrow> no, it doesn't give any results
[05:53] <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK, so hunt for other dates near that one...
[05:54] <silverarrow> well I change the moths +/- 1 and nothing changed
[05:54] <silverarrow> maybe day
[05:54] <jmarsden> If you have to, drop the -20 and see everything dpkg installed in July...
[05:55] <jmarsden> You are the one who was complaining about too much output earlier, so I was trying to give you nice exact searches... :)
[05:58] <silverarrow> thank
[05:58] <silverarrow> sorry, I cannot make them work
[05:58] <silverarrow> I need a break
[05:59] <silverarrow> and I need to get going too
[05:59] <jmarsden> OK... well, we tried :)
[05:59] <silverarrow> I shall have to give it a new go when I get home in the evening
[05:59] <silverarrow> yes, and thanks for the help
[06:00] <silverarrow> I'm sure I we trace things better with a few attempts
[06:00] <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK.  One lesson to learn: document what you do to your system, especially when it is something unusual like installing non-standard packlages from a non-standard repository... just keeping a text file about what you did would have avoided all this.
[06:02] <silverarrow> I will do that next time
[06:02] <jmarsden> OK.  11PM here... goodnight :)
[06:02] <silverarrow> I think I will do a clean cd install on next lubuntu release
[06:02] <silverarrow> good night
[06:02] <silverarrow> 8 in the morning here
[11:23] <gilles> hi .. how to i make an application to auto start then OS starts ?
[11:23] <gilles> lunbutu 10.4
[11:24] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[11:24] <bioterror> urxvtd is just an example
[11:25] <bioterror> if you dont have a .desktop file for your desired application, you can make one
[11:27] <gilles> ok .. im new so this sounds complicated for me already
[11:27] <gilles> i have downloaded a program
[11:28] <gilles> teamviewer
[11:28] <gilles> want it to start
[12:23] <gilles> hpw do i upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 withouth formatting ?
[12:28] <gilles> ?
[12:31] <m6locks> does apt-get dist-upgrade work in lubuntu?
[12:32] <m6locks> at least using update manager one should be able to upgrade
[12:33] <m6locks> gilles: have you tried it? system tools -> update maanger
[12:33] <gilles> there is no update mngr
[12:34] <gilles> in 10.4
[12:34] <m6locks> oh ok
[12:35] <m6locks> well i guess it does the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <m6locks> it does not always work
[12:35] <gilles> ok
[12:35] <gilles> how to i get an application to start up with my system
[12:35] <gilles> was looking only .. but to get a desktop config file ..
[12:35] <gilles> im not sure .. im new
[12:36] <gilles> its updating now ..
[12:36] <m6locks> good luck :D
[12:36] <gilles> thx ..
[12:36] <gilles> how to i get an app to auto start with my os ?
[12:36] <gilles> like start up in windows
[12:37] <m6locks> you need a boot manager, grub or LILO are the most used
[12:37] <gilles> ok ? and i need little more details
[12:37] <gilles> on how to get it to work
[12:37] <m6locks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[12:37] <m6locks> something like that
[12:38] <gilles> i meed like when the os boots .. once on desktop .. it loads terminal for example automatically
[12:38] <m6locks> oh ok
[12:40] <m6locks> the are a variety of programs, also you can enter the executing commands straight to boot scripts
[12:41] <gilles> ok programs would probably more easier
[12:41] <m6locks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75749
[12:45] <m6locks> desktop session settigns does not seem to have selecting your own applications available
[12:45] <m6locks> like in ubuntu
[12:55] <gilles> i know .. what are you using ?
[12:56] <m6locks> lubuntu 11.04
[12:56] <m6locks> on asus eee pc 700
[13:15] <gilles> can you start up apps ?
[13:15] <gilles> wit hthe desktop ssession
[15:27] <giuseppe__> ciao
[15:28] <giuseppe__> i'm italian
[15:29] <giuseppe__> how can I set the display resolution LCD 15.6 HD?
[15:29] <giuseppe__> help me
[15:31] <giuseppe__> please
[15:32] <giuseppe__> i need help
[15:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> giuseppe__: lxrandr
[15:38] <giuseppe__> 1366 x 768 is not my settinh
[15:38] <giuseppe__> setting
[15:38] <giuseppe__> i need to set 1800x 1200
[15:40] <giuseppe__> <JohnDoe_71Rus  i must to install catalyst driver?
[19:51] <m6locks> so...
[19:52] <m6locks> any ideas what packages to remove to make space? I'm running out of it
[19:52] <m6locks> the base install is a wee bit too big for this eee pc system
[20:01] <bioterror> m6locks, there's not that much packages to be removed
[20:02] <bioterror> m6locks, if you're really low on space, you could install ubuntu from mini.iso and then install just lubuntu-core and pull what ever you need
[20:02] <GTRsdk> m6locks: what don't you need?
[20:04] <Unit193> You could go on a du -h rampage in your /home/user :P
[20:05] <bioterror> I remember when I had my redhat on 4GB deathstar hdd, I usually first removed man pages :D
[20:14] <m6locks> well there are some applications I don't need, I was wondering if I could get rid of some 'useless' libs and stuff
[20:15] <bioterror> remember to run apt-cache clean sometimes too
[20:15] <m6locks> thanks for tip, will do
[20:16] <m6locks> hmm invalid operation clean
[20:17] <bioterror> sorry, apt-get clean
[20:17] <m6locks> oh all right
[20:19] <m6locks> I'd really love to see a LXDE version of eeexubuntu, with 11.04 repositories
[20:19] <m6locks> but I guess they don't develop it anymore
[20:20] <m6locks> I could fit it in 1,7G, but it didn't have chromium or other cool features
[20:21] <m6locks> well, the 7.10 version at least
[20:25] <phillw> m6locks: you could try minimal install and lubuntu-core. That is about as small as lubuntu can get.
[20:25] <m6locks> well this is minimal install, and it was some 2,7G or so
[20:26] <m6locks> hold on, minimal install on ubuntu or lubuntu?
[20:27] <bioterror> !mini
[20:27] <phillw> m6locks: minimal install puts linux on, and little else. you can then add to it. Instead of lubuntu-desktop, just add lubuntu-core. From there you can add what you need
[20:28] <m6locks> hmm ok, it should have xmodmap available, I have this keyboard issue with this one
[20:28] <m6locks> alt gr turns on without pressing the key, so it needs to be remapped
[20:28] <m6locks> console installs are kinda out of the question
[20:30] <bioterror> I mostly need alt gr for @, and during installations that's not needed ;)
[20:30] <m6locks> aye, but it is locked on and all I can see after that is greek characters when typing
[20:30] <bioterror> :(
[20:34] <m6locks> yeah it is totally nerve-wrecking when it happens


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 Will new oxide land in OTA2 or are there some build issues?
[01:05] <nfsprodriver[m]> One question: Have you already merged some parts of the filemanager PR7 to the device channels? Because every time I install a device update, a filemanager of an older state of the PR is installed. If yes, can you update this version to latest state?
 @nfsprodriver, Yes. Have it in rc channel running fluently.
 @nfsprodriver, it will land, but some issue with ppa space
 since oxide is 1.3GB and our ppa limit is 2GB
 1.3GB(!!!)
 11gb uncompressed with .git :)
 chromium is big
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 Hi Guys can anyone UK -London- based help? my bq 5 hd is dead battery and telephone via chrager not recognised and not charging. I am trying to contact BQ via a call me back call option but they cannot manage to contact me . Does anybody knows if any high street mobile repair shops would be able to del with changin the battery and the charging port? Has anyone tried to access mobile repairs for their ubuntu phone? I am waiting for  UBports to make O
[06:24] <tgBot> work and will buy new phone. Very frustrating using a android  phone. Thanks guys
 @prpleXist, Hey, I think replacing the battery should not be an issue for a repair shop, there is nothing specific in hardware for the Ubuntu phones ;)
 thanks
 @DiogoConstantino, Understood, there is a kind of theme manager in the code, but its deactivated. Or was it only background? Hmm. Anyway plz post a feature request to the github tracker
 Hacking Ubuntu Touch, Part 6: Logfiles … https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/15/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-6-logfiles/
 Just sharing a link for other noobs like myself wondering how to get starting with debugging, log files etc... 加油
 (how to questions pop up here all the time ;)
 @SwizzlaKalongie, WTF Android guys seem to have really fun:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8OXzy0CV/file_384.png
 @Flohack, Huh? What do you mean?
 Douglas Adams said 42 is the meaning of life, the universe andeverything in his book the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Kinda cool to see that in a log output.
[07:14] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah but with the given link i get a 404
 @SwizzlaKalongie, See the first 3 lines :)
 Hi guys, I just read the last community update. If the Pro 5 gets Xenial, that means it will become a Prerelease Core Device?
 @Flohack, Haha yeah, Android guys live in their own world , having fun doing their own thing
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[08:33] <tgBot> <Big ET> I have a question about the security of webapps. If I create a webapp, will the cookies be shared with the main browser app?
 No they are kept within the webapps confinement.
[08:49] <tgBot> nodeserver was added by: nodeserver
 Hi
 Peeps
 I'm new to ubuntu
 @Big ET, All temporary data, as cookies and history of webapps are separated from the browser
 Want to flash ubuntu on my nexus 5
 HI @nodeserver !
 Hey paul
 Is ubuntu ready like a daily driver?
 For nexus 5
 @nodeserver, https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5
 The nexus 5 is maintained by UBports as a Core Device
 Right!!!!
 And will i get the Linux terminal
 Like the full featured Linux terminal? 😍😍
 Sure, but be carefull with apt
 Omg
 This is amazing
 @Jujuyeh, Y is that
 😄
 by default, only the home directory is writeable
 @pooboylinux, because apt may broke some stuff :(
 If you want to have apt on the phone it's better to setup a chroot in your home directory so you don't corrupt system updates.
 when you get an OTA, rest of filesystem can be overwritten
 updates are a bit like android
 and yeah, as dan said ;)
 Ohh..
 Ubuntu touch uses CLICK files for apps
 plus you have way much more room in your home dir
 @Jujuyeh, What's that
 @pooboylinux, just like Android's apk files
 Alright
 Ubuntu Touch uses click files
 Cool..
 So is go lang available
 For ubuntu touch
 Coz im learning that
 If you want to get started developing an app, try with the glitchy Ubuntu SDK or write the code with your favourite text editor and use clickeable
 Yes but the qml bindings are quite if your wanting to build graphical apps
 Sorry guys for sounding like a noob..i'm new to this 😅
 or if you wan't to create something fast, like a webapp.. Try with Webapp Creator Ahem ahem
 V can build graphical apps with Go on ubuntu?!!
 for instance alot of the system services are written in go
 @Jujuyeh, Everything inside ubuntu touch?!
 @DanChapman, Yesssssssssss
 @pooboylinux, no :(
 Only Webapp Creator works in Ubuntu Touch I believe
 Ubuntu SDK only on desktop, and clickeable (maybe on both?)
 Cool
 So which mainstream apps are available in ubuntu touch
 Like whatsapp, telegram??
 @pooboylinux, Sure, Telegram
 and Whatsapp with LoquiIM
 @pooboylinux, open.uappexplorer.com
 @Jujuyeh, well it's only QtCreator that won't run on the phone the rest of the SDK is usable if your happy to use vim/nano/<terminal text editor here>
 I love vimal
 Vim*
 😂😂😂😂😂😂
 @DanChapman, I didn't know that, how cool!
 This is awesome
 !!!!
 Will this work
 sudo rm - rf ;)
 And what about cloud storage mate?
 @pooboylinux, https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/syncthing.zeropointenergy
 Cool
 Also the File Manager has some stuff related, I've never used it
 Everything is open sourced
 Source *
 I'm mostly concerned about whatsapp, telegram (to b in touch with this awesome community), Golang, Linux terminal
 The last two being very important
 I really don't know, but I never found any piece of propietary software in Ubuntu Touch other than drivers for Android devices 🤔
 @Jujuyeh, Cooooool
 @pooboylinux, If you want to chat in Supergroups like this one... Use WebTelegram 😅
 👍👍👍👍
 And hows the battery life
 I don't know how it would be on the Nexus 5 but on the Meizu Pro 5 it's fine 👍
 Cool
 Hey man
 Can i see a screenshot of ur Linux terminal
 And the ui
 Pls
[09:44] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> https://goo.gl/images/5QHBqu
[09:45] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Linux terminal will look something like this..
 @mariogrip hi plz this config what do exactly CONFIG_SWITCH_H2W ?
 @Walid, It is the headphone detection
 thanks, i have only bluetooth not work for my port  for device Moto G 2014 (all other features work) , hope fix it as soon as possible
 @Walid, Bluetooth need a kernel backport
[09:58] <CiberSheep[m]> Oops...
 i added kernel backport , but still crash at start, need more debugs … https://github.com/walidham/ubuntu_android_kernel_motorola_msm8226/tree/master/backports
 @mariogrip, Weeeheee 💜
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 @pooboylinux, Take in mind, that if I'm not wrong, If you use loquiIM to use whatsapp your number can be banned, in order of the terms of whatsapp
 Could you see the advances in ubuntu touch 16.04 using emulator in pc without installing it in the mobile?
 Hi, I think I have got a good contact on BQ, what is it exactly what we need from them to maintain BQ devices? I guess the sources of the android trees and ... anything else?   thanks
 With 'maintain' I mean just being able to use the 16.04 port on BQ devices and eventually upgrade bq devices to core or prerelease devices...
 @JavierPuche that sound awesome :)
 @JavierPuche, THanks but finally we got a good contact to BQ, we will write them our needs now ;)
 @Flohack, Great then 👍
 It would also be great to have similar good contacts to Meizu, but I cannot help there 😢
 Hi guys, just a quick question to see if it is possible: I love everything about UbuntuTouch/UBPorts and it is really great what you do! The only thing is the look. Is it possible to change the colours of the app-screen like on this pic?
 (Photo, 1074x956) https://irc.ubports.com/0amv5c7J/file_388.jpg
 @j2g2rp, Can, but we got no segnalation of ban for using LoquiIM so far
 @savetier, Yeah wait for ota2 or jump to rc-proposed
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hbv50cub/file_389.webp
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Thanks for the info. So in OTA2 there will be a theme changer? Also for icons? When is OTA2 supposed to be released?
 @savetier, No not for icons, just the ability to change the background, in about a week.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Yeah!!! Thanks!
 the icons can be changed using falcon... although I don't know if it is still working
 it's BIG
 Hi guys
 I tried installing it with windows cpt
 But didnt happen
 Kindly help
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 New update on my FP2
 are on rc?
 Yep!
 Guys
 Do u have a standlone zip for flashing
 Can't seem to install it via pc
 Have you installed the adb and fastboot driver, Node?
 @pooboylinux, https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb.html
 Yesss
 Meaning you have done it, or you're happy I gave you the link?
 The problem is i have internet only on my phone
 Oh. Well, it's going to be pretty difficult/impossible then.
 Ohh
 And we don't have a flashable zip because we aren't an Android ROM.
 Coool
 So what would ve
 Be the correct steps
 Coz even if I get a regular connection
 The windows cpt gui
 Shows no sign of progress
 After it wipes my device
 What did the UBports installer do, and what is your device?
 So I can report oxide 1.22 is not working yet. Webapps and Browser not loading.
 @UniversalSuperBox, It wiped my device
 And was stuck at dowmloing nexus 5 images
 For one hour
 @nfsprodriver, Device? Manual install?
 @pooboylinux, Do you have a reliable internet connection, and did the device reboot into UBports recovery?
 No...it was still in fastboot bootloader
 @UniversalSuperBox, N5, via qa scripts.
 @pooboylinux, Ah, were the instructions on the screen to reboot into recovery?
 Ummm...
 Yea..I guess
 So here's what I did
 I rebooted into bootloader mode
 Connected my phone at my friend's computer with WiFi
 Installed ub port windows installer
 And it detected my device and wiped it
 And then it was stuck at downloading nexus 5 images
 Did your computer have the internet connection?
 just to confirm
[14:22] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @pooboylinux, I had the same problems, try all since the beginning again
 Yesssss
 What is the size of image it downloads
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 @Jujuyeh, I just set that as wallpaper
[14:27] <nfsprodriver[m]> Okay, interesting, connected to a display via slimport webapps startup well, but in phone mode they don't.
[14:27] <nfsprodriver[m]> Browser has infinite load in both modes.
 @nfsprodriver[m], I have a fixed version ready, but has ppa space issues
 @po
 @mariogrip, Ah, now I got what you mean before. BTW: Cool qa script!
 @nfsprodriver, :)
 We're out of space in our ppa?
 lol
 only a 2gb limit
 and we are big :P
 Can you download more storage?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, only ram atm
 Damn...
 Guys  will OTA2 be there also for legacy phones?
 yes
 cool
 thx
[14:55] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> @thepeter, And where will that be....I just saw "OTA-2" and "available"...
 Right now we're testing it in the RC channe;
 @wayneoutthere uu-BUUN-too
 can i come on the show now pretty please :D
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[14:56] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> @UniversalSuperBox, Aha, so I wait....
 "let your inner @UniversalSuperBox out" - @wayneoutthere hahahaha :P
 @mariogrip can you upload an archive of the new oxide debs elsewhere? In case the ppa size can't be fixed.
[15:26] <tgBot> Sascha was added by: Sascha
 @Flohack, what does BR at the end of all your posts mean
 @mariogrip, I think you just need to ask on  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
 welcome @Sascha
 @UniversalSuperBox, Maybe Best Regards? :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Busy Rightaway
 @criztovyl, yes true ^^
 busy right away....@_@ a question followed in my mind: how many hours do you guys sleep per night? ye folks are superhuman or what?
 @DanChapman, Asked, let's see how It goes
 @SwizzlaKalongie, 2-3 minutes is enough for me :P
 @mariogrip, Take care of you! We need you in the future! Maybe one or two minutes more possible?
 hahah yeah, one of my engineering buddies likes to say " sleep? naaahh!! sleep is for humans. "
 yeah, thanks for the hard work anyway.. i'm amazed at how active this group and the admins are...
 @bastos777, I can stretch it to 4 if im lazy
 @SwizzlaKalongie, :)
 We try to do our best. I need *at least* 6.5hr sleep, better would be 7
 Me too
 I prepared an article for convergence in computing and business
 I need to wait for that to publish it
 Then we can discuss it
 @Jujuyeh, Thanks, but how did you change the colour of the font?
 looks like it change automaticly. I don't know if it's always white when you set the wallpaper for scopes or it's related to the scope color. Anyway. I have checked about 6 wallpapers and the result is good enough.
[17:44] <tgBot> Murat ynr was added by: Murat ynr
[17:44] <tgBot> <Murat ynr> hi. :)
 @Murat ynr, Hi Murat :)
[17:47] <tgBot> <Murat ynr> thnx :)
 Only 9 new members to achieve 700 😎💪
 @mariogrip, Not sure.  I'm going to have to hear consistent correct pronunciation first.  ;)  Until then we'll troll you on the QA like we did here
 @wayneoutthere, oh no :P
 @mariogrip, Ready everyone?  Breathe in, breathe out now... let's let it out: … "ok"
 @wayneoutthere, hahahaah :P
 @hwpplayer1, why don't... we publish it at ubports?  send to me if you want.  where will it be published?  anyway, always send the marketing people stuff if anyone hears of stuff :)
 @bastos777, Woah!  Maybe it's becasue i've shut my mouth for nearly a week now?
 @wayneoutthere, 😂
 IMO it is more because progress is visible because of ota 2 announcement.
 I have the chance to use ota 2 on my fp2 already (due to rc channel) and it seems great.
 Camera access after coming from background 👍
 Led is showing notifications 👍
 Browser is updated and working 👍
 bulding the new oxide here: https://launchpad.net/~mariogrip/+archive/ubuntu/oxide still waiting for ppa upgrade, so just made a new one while we wait
[18:45] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @bastos777, Plz do not stress, we are already impatient enough. 👀
[19:10] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/things-consider-linux-smartphone-os/
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[19:12] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @wayneoutthere, I wanted to post a gif of rotating ambigram image at 689 but I just missed it . 😂
 @mariogrip, In the meantime we can fix the pot file ^^
 @mariogrip, I think you just need to ask on launchpad itself. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[19:16] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interesting_number_paradox
[19:18] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> I am a big fan of numbers. Sometimes they are way more interesting than other times. Sorry for spam though 😊
 thanks for that paradox 😂
 @popeydc, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/657665 … weee
 @Vijay Kumar, I conjecture that the paradox exists in thesis only, as objectively all integers are interesting because there is not a single whole number that can not be used mathimatically.
 xenial-rootfs-armhf is for halium or ubports ? or both ?
[19:37] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @Gartral, It is not a paradox actually. In the first paragraph itself it proves that there are no uninsteresting numbers. So your conjecture is correct.
 ok, this new @ mention shit telegram is doing is fucked, I keep getting @s in chats that have been dead for a year\
 that was not meant for this chat >.>
 so, I don't have a device that UBPort's ubuntu touch can work on, is there a way of virtualizing it to test it?
 @Walid, sounds like ubports
 @Gartral, not easily, as the emulator got broken. 2 years ago I was able to run it, but then sometime after it gave up
 @Flohack, The file at http://cdimage.ubports.com/rootfs/ … is for Halium. It doesn't work though.
 @UniversalSuperBox, i means this file … http://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-rootfs-armhf/
 It's the same, isn't it?
 @Walid, There's no file coming out of there right now, but yes, that is where it was built.
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 I think it's always white, but it jas some problems whit dark images..
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 @j2g2rp, Also with the white image from Ubuntu Arts the text is still white... But the image as a dark overlay
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/A7HcyMk9/file_402.jpg
 @mymike00, what is this? a mockup?
[21:32] <tgBot> luca_gomirato was added by: luca_gomirato
 @wayneoutthere I'm trying to listen to the audiocast but have to skip over the parts with my voice. RIP.
 Oh, welcome @luca_gomirato !
 @per_sonne, Nope, that's probably the newest RC with a background and the Falcon scope
 but why the apps carousel type-thing?
 Because that's what Falcon has
 oh
 @JetPereira, PT ^^"
 @UniversalSuperBox, why? because you didn't have your new sexy-voice generator microphone then?
 @wayneoutthere, Yes. It sounds so... Unlike me.
 How did I ever do that without the new microphone
 @UniversalSuperBox, it's all about the bootstrap, bro.
[23:12] <tgBot> Scott was added by: Scott
 Welcome Scott!  This is where dreams are realized
 (just wanted to say smething cheesy since no one did it for me)
 @wayneoutthere, Dude that's awesome
 Guys
 Can i install Ubuntu this way?
 http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-install-the-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-your-nexus-android-device/
 Will i receive update from you guys
 Ota
 I don't know what way that is, but please install using the instructions on https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 Ok
 Should i use the CPT tool
 Or Ubuntu installer
 Doesn't matter.
 How much time does it takes to complete installation usually
 shrug
 Stuck somewhere?
 Downloading images
 Nexus*
 Which nexus
 5
 Do you have a stable Internet connection?
 Yes
 Are you on Ubuntu?
 Or... any distro with proper support for Snaps?


[22:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: gnome-connections (impish-proposed/primary) [41~rc-1~build1]


[09:42] <stgraber> jibel: FYI, I'm smoke-testing LTSP on both Ubuntu Alternate and Edubuntu, making sure it doesn't blow up with the first real test as it usually does
[09:43] <jibel> stgraber, I did it 2 days ago on Ubuntu Alternate and it passed
[09:43] <jibel> stgraber, did anything landed that would affect ltsp ?
[09:44] <stgraber> no, LTSP has been untouched for a week or so now
[09:44] <stgraber> so hopefully all the tests will pass then ;)
[09:44] <stgraber> I'm testing some of the weirder stuf though (amd64 in Chinese being one of them because of font/translation issues with the greeter we had in the past)
[09:45] <stgraber> hopefully I won't find anything that needs immediate fixing and can then focus the rest of the pre-release time on other tings ;)
[09:45] <stgraber> *things
[09:46] <jibel> stgraber, we have a chinese tester in the team now :)
[09:47] <stgraber> cool!
[09:47] <jibel> stgraber, if you know any specific bit that needs attention then ask
[09:48] <stgraber> good to know, will keep that in mind
[09:49] <stgraber> I remember we had (in Ubuntu) some bug reports about ibus integration with ubiquity missing some ibus pre-configuration leading to the pinyin input method being missing (kind of critical for chinese)
[09:49] <stgraber> but I haven't heard any noise about it in a while so hopefully it got fixed
[09:49] <stgraber> (was tracked down to a desktop bug I believe, nothing ubiquity did wrong that I know of)
[12:06] <phillw> hi skaet do you have editing privs for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker ? If so, the page with the RC's on it says beta2 :)
[12:17] <jibel> phillw, done
[12:21] <wstgrd> Hi guys
[12:22] <wstgrd> Currently trying to run this test: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopResize
[12:22] <wstgrd> But I only get the options "Replace Linux Mint" and "Something else"
[12:22] <wstgrd> Can't seem to find the "Install Ubuntu alongsite ..."
[12:22] <wstgrd> Any advice?
[12:23] <phillw> thank jibel :)
[14:13] <balloons> jibel, got a confirmed success (it needs to get into the tracker and not my email!) of 11.10 ->12.04 wubi
[14:14] <jibel> balloons, awesome!
[16:09] <njin> GREAT !!!!!!,    I've destroyed my Precise advancing most of the lib, i've reinstalled it from mini.iso (Home separated), at the end I've got again my identical Precise with same settings, background, programs on the launcher, mails, firefox preference and bookmark. Yes it is PRECISEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
[16:11] <cr3> njin: congrats!
[16:11] <njin> oh, no, congrats to all ubuntu guys
[16:13] <njin> the old settings and preference aren't missed, them are recovered and now is egual as before !!!!
[16:15] <njin> Also xchat channels!
[16:33] <patdk-wk> njin, hmm? it's been that way forever, as long as you don't destroy your home folder
[16:33] <patdk-wk> atleast it's always been that way for unix :)
[16:34] <njin> uhmm. and firefox ??
[16:37] <patdk-wk> firefox settings are in your home dir
[16:37] <patdk-wk> why wouldn't they be? they are your personal settings, not the computers
[16:38] <patdk-wk> the only thing you should have to do, if you save your /home folder, is reinstall missing programs
[16:38] <patdk-wk> all the settings for those programs are in your /home folder
[16:44] <jibel> njin, and with oneconf you can even reinstall a set of packages on a new install that you saved on a previous installation.
[16:45] <njin> never seen firefox bookmark saved till naw
[16:45] <njin> now
[18:31] <bdmurray> jibel: do you have an eays way to test 985735?
[19:04] <bodhi_zazen> jibel ping =)
[19:06] <bodhi_zazen> When making a live Ubuntu CD, how do you get the rootfs.squasfs so small ?
[19:06] <bodhi_zazen> What compression options are used ?
[19:15] <jibel> bodhi_zazen, hey, I have no idea :)
[19:15] <jibel> bodhi_zazen, you can ask on ubuntu-devel
[19:16] <jibel> bug 985735
[19:16] <jibel> hm, no bug bot
[19:18] <jibel> bdmurray, no easy way apart from installing kubuntu 11.10. IIRC, same bug was fixed with lightdm during precise
[19:19] <jibel> hm, or it was just a prompt to select the default dm
[19:19]  * jibel -EBUGOVERFLOW
[19:25] <bodhi_zazen> thanks jibel


[05:20] <LightweightOS> When I click shutdown or restart on the Lubuntu log-in manager, it flashes a white box in the upper left hand corner once. How can I fix this?
[07:41] <Jakey2> how do i put the date on the desktop
[07:42] <bioterror> with conky
[20:10] <n-iCe> Hello
[20:10] <n-iCe> is lubuntu actually lighter than xubuntu?
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> hello n-iCe
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> yes, it is
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> as latest benchmarks say
[20:10] <n-iCe> for much?
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> yes
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> since 4.10 xfce became a bit heavier
[20:10] <n-iCe> Do you use it'
[20:10] <rafaellaguna> yes, I do
[20:11] <n-iCe> ok, where are you from?
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> my computer is new, so it's ultra-fast now
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> uk
[20:11] <n-iCe> oh, and is your name Rafael?
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> :D yes
[20:11] <n-iCe> Laguna? seems spanish
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> long story :)
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> it is, my family is
[20:12] <n-iCe> I'm Mexican
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> I'm in Spain right now
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> nice! :)
[20:12] <n-iCe> I'm going to Europe this September 20
[20:12] <n-iCe> Madrid, Barcelona
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> Barcelona is beautiful. enjoy your visit!
[20:13] <n-iCe> I'm really thinking in move to lubuntu
[20:13] <n-iCe> not sure yet though
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> you can always try the live cd, test it and if you don't like it, you just remove the cd and nothing happens to your computer
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> you have all the info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[20:14] <n-iCe> yeah
[20:14] <n-iCe> for how long have you been using it?
[20:14] <holstein> move to lubuntu from xubuntu? they are both (all) ubuntu.. just install lxde in xubuntu and select between xfce and lxde at login, as you like
[20:14] <ianorlin> I have for over 2 years now
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> I'm the Artwork developer  so a lot I guess :D
[20:15] <n-iCe> awesome
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> :)
[21:37] <niddepoule> hello
[21:37] <holstein> o/
[21:38] <niddepoule> curious if anyone's got Lubuntu running Kodi/HTPC setup
[21:39] <ianorlin> niddepoule, it is in the repositories but I personally don't run Kodi
[21:39] <niddepoule> had been having some trouble mounting an external sata drive with media files to the lubuntu host
[21:39] <niddepoule> ah, didn't know it was the repositories. that's great
[21:40] <ianorlin> niddepoule, can you mount it in pcmanfm?
[21:40] <niddepoule> i'm gaining familiarity with the linux family, but that simply means it's officially supported in lubuntu/ubuntu right?
[21:40] <niddepoule> ie, being a part of the repo
[21:43] <niddepoule> i haven't yet tried pcmanfm, no


[12:58] <trulux> I got it!
[12:58] <trulux> :)
[01:00] <siretart> gnarf. did anyone succeeded to build javahl on amd64?
[01:16] <siretart> never mind. (and my english gets worse the later the evening... :/)
[02:33] <carthik> Hi all, could someone field a question about how I could improve 1 specific package in the Universe? I tried the wiki and am still groggy from it :)
[02:37] <ogra> carthik, you start with setting up a pbuilder chroot: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto
[02:38] <ogra> then download the source package, change it, build a testpackage in your pbuilder, test it, if it works, build a source package, sign it and give it to someone to upload...
[02:39] <carthik> ogra, thank you, another project I work for has had some problem with the .deb, which is why I asked. I'll start from where you suggested.
[02:40] <ogra> ...oh and make sure to have no warnings from lintian (the package checker) if the package is built...
[02:40] <carthik> thank you. i will
[02:40] <ogra> :)
[02:42] <carthik> ogra, the page you referenced has a small typo, and is locked... "setup a chroot for build Ubuntu packages using pbuilder." (the first line) should be "building" not build. Sorry for nitpicking :)
[02:42] <ogra> carthik, i'll tell it to dholbach, he'll change it for breezy anyway the next days...
[02:43] <carthik> cool
[04:55] <tseng> who is niall on irc
[04:56] <tseng> niall sheridan
[04:56] <HostingGeek> me
[04:56] <HostingGeek> ooops
[04:57] <tseng> ?
[05:01] <HostingGeek> tseng: you can whois everyone i look at about 9 people that i thought maybe...
[05:02] <HostingGeek> Warning: thoreauputic is an impostor (look at his whois)
[05:02] <tseng> maybe he's not here.
[05:03] <thoreauputic> HostingGeek: I am indeed an imposter -version me if you doubt it :)
[10:47] <hsprang> good morning! :)
[10:48] <ajmitch> hi hsprang
[10:50] <hsprang> ajmitch, for you, good morning might not really fit  :)
[10:54] <hsprang> ajmitch, so, good evening to you!
[11:25] <AstralJava> It still applies to me, so I'll return the compliment. :)
[11:59] <Usiu> ok https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstalacjaIKonfiguracjaGNUGadu2WUbuntu fixed
[03:28] <herve> *yawn* hello!
[03:31] <ogra> morning herve
[03:31] <herve> morning, yes :-)
[03:31] <ogra> *g*
[03:36] <tseng> hi
[05:00] <koke> hi all!
[05:00] <tseng> hey dude.
[05:00] <ogra> hey koke
[05:00] <ogra> koke, youre not on the worldmap yet ?
[05:00] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[05:01] <koke> ogra: when I tried it was deleted :(
[05:01] <ogra> argh
[05:02] <koke> the wiki now is a mix between the old and new layout :)
[05:03] <ogra> broswer cache  ?
[05:05] <koke> ogra: not sure, the https pages look completely with old layout
[05:06] <koke> the others have the same layout but new colors :)
[05:06] <ogra> hmm, here i have the new layout everywhere
[05:08] <herve> ctrl+shift+r to completely refresh
[05:10] <koke> hehe, ubuntu.com looks new, ubuntulinux.org looks old :D
[05:14] <ogra> koke, hah, now we know where you live :)
[05:14] <koke> :D
[05:41] <\sh> g'afternoon people :)
[05:42] <ogra> yo \sh
[06:05] <trulux> anyone knows why maths package does not show up accents?
[06:34] <herve> re
[06:34] <crimsun> re
[06:34] <herve> trulux, you changed any font?
[06:34] <trulux> herve: no, it doesn't work even with roman or any other font
[06:35] <trulux> but it works outside the ams math mode
[06:35] <trulux> so, everything has correct accents, looking good
[06:35] <trulux> except when we put them inside the amsmath block
[06:36] <herve> as I remember, the math mode is quite picky about fonts
[06:36] <herve> since its symbols are glyphs
[06:44] <encolpe> yep
[06:45] <herve> I was about to ask you :-)
[06:49] <herve> heya jbailey !
[06:49] <jbailey> Heya herv!
[06:50] <herve> well will Freenode accept utf8 nicks? :-p
[06:51] <Mithrandir> heh, it won't accept accented chars, but norwegian ones are fine.
[06:52] <trulux> herve: fixed :)
[06:53] <trulux> Mithrandir: haha, \aacute
[06:53] <trulux> so cute tag
[06:54] <Mithrandir> trulux: that doesn't work here either, but if it works for you.. :)
[06:55] <trulux> it does for me, yep
[06:55] <trulux> it helps me to finish my physics work and start working out that gcc-3.4-hardened stuff
[06:56] <trulux> ;)
[06:56] <herve> so it's way important!
[06:56] <herve> :-)
[06:56] <trulux> a bit ;D
[06:56] <trulux> btw
[06:56] <trulux> I've missed a big bunch of updates: 367MB of upgrade!
[06:56] <trulux> christ...
[06:56] <herve> yes
[06:56] <herve> and hoary is out too :-p
[06:57] <trulux> I know
[06:57] <trulux> (really)
[06:57] <trulux> :D
[06:57] <herve> ho so you don't have that much to catch up ;-)
[06:58] <trulux> I was just too busy with school
[06:59] <trulux> you can compare the amount of junk I use to say on holidays and when I've started school
[06:59] <trulux> I could be scared if someone shows up a graph
[06:59] <herve> and you're probably more serious than I was with school
[07:00] <trulux> (March 2005) ^^^^^^^^\_____/\___ (April 2005)
[07:01] <trulux> herve: oh, it's just that I'm planning to get out of it to join a special program, it cuts one year of school, so, I get in university one year before
[07:01] <trulux> instead of waiting 2 more years of blatantly stupid, embarrassing, junk secondary/pre-university school
[07:02] <herve> I think I get it
[07:04] <trulux> hehe, in short, I'm putting special effort in school this trimester
[07:05] <trulux> it's fun that I have done school-related work here for first time, they may get worried on the possibility of that fscking trulux getting the papers copied somewhere called "LaTeX"
[07:05] <trulux> ;d
[07:06] <trulux> "No, really, it's not that LaTeX you have used the past weekend. It's of my own home-brew."
[07:06] <trulux> *grin*
[07:07] <trulux> herve: btw, do you know how I could make a sun eclipse model with povray? I've b0rked my earth model
[07:07] <trulux> :(
[07:13] <trulux> herve: btw, did you have a look on the new libssp packages?
[07:15] <herve> f... !
[07:15] <dholbach> hey!
[07:15] <crimsun> hey!
[07:18] <dholbach> crimsun: how are you?
[07:19] <crimsun> dholbach: not too bad, getting ready to grab some coffee and head back to work. Yourself?
[07:19] <dholbach> crimsun: still tired, was out with mvo yesterday, celebrating hoary's release :-)
[07:19] <dholbach> but i'm fine :-)
[07:19] <crimsun> dholbach: ah, quite a few brews? :)
[07:20] <dholbach> yes, wasn't really used to it anymore  :-))
[07:20] <crimsun> ;)
[07:20] <crimsun> ok, back in a bit
[07:20] <dholbach> byeeeeeee
[07:25] <schweeb> omg, dholbach's alive :)
[07:25] <dholbach> schweeb: of course! :-)
[07:26] <dholbach> hey schweeb :-)
[07:26] <schweeb> whats up
[07:27] <schweeb> I want my breezy, so I can have more fun
[07:27] <trulux> hey dholbach , woka!
[07:28] <dholbach> schweeb: hahaha... have more breakage in the first place :-)
[07:28] <trulux> crimsun: coffee, that makes me thinking... I need a cup of that!
[07:28] <dholbach> the first days will be bumpy :-)
[07:30] <ogra> the first month
[07:31] <herve> heya dholbach !
[07:32] <dholbach> hey herve!
[07:32] <dholbach> so where do we go from here? "reset" our todo lists? ;-)
[07:33] <herve> malone!
[07:33] <dholbach> but malone won't give us a doesnt-built-with-gcc4-list
[07:33] <dholbach> or didnt-make-python-transition :-)
[07:33] <trulux> christ, what's happening who is building with gcc4?
[07:34] <schweeb> we might, trulux
[07:34] <ogra> trulux, gcc4 will be the default for breezy
[07:34] <schweeb> the gcc4 transition is going to be hell
[07:34] <trulux> ogra: finally? ok
[07:34] <ogra> yep
[07:34] <dholbach> schweeb: will be fun! :-)
[07:35] <trulux> ok, anyone knows a friendly gcc hacker who can help me with the last bits porting of SSP to gcc-4.0?
[07:35] <schweeb> dholbach: yea, but I'll be useless
[07:35] <herve> dholbach, the idea is to automatically file bugs with a common tag
[07:35] <fabbione> hmm
[07:35] <dholbach> herve: yes
[07:35] <fabbione> i think the gcc-4 transition will be more smooth than you think
[07:35] <fabbione> the real issue are the c++ libs
[07:35] <dholbach> schweeb: we'll manage and you'll be of great help
[07:35] <schweeb> heh
[07:36] <fabbione> and apps that are written as shit -> drop them
[07:36] <fabbione> schweeb: trust me, the transition it's easier than you think
[07:36] <schweeb> as long as we're taking that radical approach, sweet :)
[07:36] <fabbione> well for universe you can
[07:37] <ogra> yay, fabbione is here
[07:37] <fabbione> hey ogra
[07:37] <ogra> hi :)
[07:38] <dholbach> fabbione: how was the party?
[07:38] <fabbione> i was just passing by on the fly
[07:38] <schweeb> it would be ideal if we started breezy in the next week or so, since I'm taking a week's vacation soon :)
[07:38] <fabbione> i need to go and cook dinner
[07:38] <fabbione> dholbach: it was good
[07:38] <fabbione> schweeb: i think we will open breezy dances pretty soon
[07:38] <dholbach> fabbione: i urged mvo to get his car ready, but he didnt :-/
[07:39] <schweeb> oh goody goody
[07:39] <fabbione> but if it is not during this week, it will be after UDU mostlikely
[07:39] <schweeb> ah
[07:39] <schweeb> UDU is at the end of the month, right?
[07:39] <dholbach> 24-30
[07:39] <ogra> last week
[07:39] <fabbione> afaik lamont and elmo will be working on rebuilding the archive with gcc-4.0
[07:39] <fabbione> and see how bad it is the situation
[07:39] <fabbione> but to do that
[07:40] <fabbione> they need doko to upload another gcc-4 version
[07:40] <fabbione> kinda complicate
[07:40] <fabbione> but again
[07:40] <schweeb> ah
[07:40] <fabbione> don't worry too much
[07:40] <fabbione> really
[07:40] <schweeb> alright, off I go
[07:40] <dholbach> i dont, it will be fun :-)
[07:40] <dholbach> bye schweeb
[07:40] <schweeb> gonna go watch Sin City at the theater
[07:40] <fabbione> i am off too
[07:40] <dholbach> bye fabbione
[07:40] <ogra> ciao
[07:40] <fabbione> cya tomorrow
[07:41] <schweeb> speak of the devil
[10:32] <herve> ho look behind you! it's night!
[11:17] <ajmitch> morning all!
[11:18] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[11:18] <ajmitch> what's up?
[11:18] <dholbach> http://blog.steve.org.uk/index.php/archives/2005/04/10/ubuntu/ <--- that was me :-)
[11:19] <dredg> dholbach: brainwashing the masses then?
[11:19] <dholbach> dredg: we don't need that :-)
[11:19] <dredg> :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> bah, someone asking for documentation & examples for one of my debian packages
[11:20] <ajmitch> nobody needs docs
[11:21] <dholbach> just assume he wants to write those and write a charming mail back
[11:22] <ajmitch> no, it's more that he didn't check 'info treecc' - the docs are already there ;)
[11:22] <ajmitch> and the other doc on the website probably can't be included
[11:30] <dholbach> smurfix and phurballphredd surely got their coordinates wrong :-)
[11:33] <dholbach> i think i'll go to bed for now... bye
[11:33] <ajmitch> bye dholbach !
[11:33] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeeeeee :-)


[08:36] <ameertawfik> I am doing an academic research about content usefulness in online forums. In order to have an understanding of content usefulness, i need to study whats makes users evaluate content as useful.
[08:37] <ameertawfik> in your opinion and through your experience in cnet:   1- What makes a useful post ( Initial or reply post)?  2- What makes a useful thread (The overall discussion)?
[08:38] <ameertawfik> i have posted this question in ubuntu forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770676), but the respones were not that much
[08:39] <ameertawfik> so, i was wondering if you could give me some feedback?
[08:50] <ameertawfik> hi all
[08:52] <ameertawfik> i have one question related to  my study. the question is what are the characteristics of a useful thread or post?
[09:19] <Guest34331> need help with wubi installation, downloaded it to run alongside windows..rebooted computer and no option to choose os
[10:07] <dipiwee> morinig
[10:08] <dipiwee> looking for the nick of a forum mod..
[10:08] <dipiwee> or if a forum mod is available in here right now..
[10:08] <dipiwee> anyone around ?
[10:17] <dipiwee> ?
[10:56] <dipiwee> still no one around ?
[10:59] <Mandrew> maybe :P
[10:59] <dipiwee> Mandrew: are you a forum op ?
[10:59] <dipiwee> by any chance
[11:00] <Mandrew> not by a long shot ;)
[11:00] <dipiwee> Mandrew: mind giving me the nick of a forum mod ? so i could maybe pm him on the forum
[11:01] <Mandrew> i just found this place myself
[16:07] <ZereF> hi hi
[16:43] <ZereF> hey guys, i'm having trouble setting up a new grub script
[17:06] <dipiwee> is there anyone around ?
[17:13] <Pici> Perhaps...
[17:18] <ZereF> sigh
[17:25] <Pici> dipiwee: Why do you need a nick of a moderator here on IRC if you're going to pm them on the forums?
[17:26] <dipiwee> Pici: i found no forum moderator on the forums..
[17:26] <ikonia> dipiwee: they are all listed
[17:26] <dipiwee> it's a little easier to type in the nick
[17:26] <dipiwee> and send a pm
[17:26] <dipiwee> ikonia: i must be blind.. you don't have a link by any chance?
[17:26] <ikonia> dipiwee: it's easy to send a pm to the person
[17:27] <ikonia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showgroups.php
[17:27] <Pici> dipiwee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showgroups.php
[17:27] <ikonia> dipiwee: the big "show forum leaders" link at the bottom
[17:27] <dipiwee> ikonia: thats great
[17:27] <dipiwee> thanks alot
[17:27] <ikonia> dipiwee: or if you click on the forum you want and scroll down to the bottom it lists all the moderators of that forum
[17:28] <dipiwee> ikonia: the "question" is that i don't know where to post the topic i would like to create
[17:28] <dipiwee> hence why im looking to pm a mod to ask where i should post that topic :D
[17:29] <ikonia> what's the topic ?
[17:29] <dipiwee> ikonia: off ubuntu topic..
[17:30] <dipiwee> I would post a link .. but if i do so in here i will be held guilty of promoting ..
[17:30] <dipiwee> so i prefer posting it on the forum where a mod will let me post it
[17:30] <ikonia> dipiwee: that's the coffee house thing
[17:30] <dipiwee> basically its a dot sharing website
[17:30] <ikonia> dipiwee: what's the actual topic
[17:30] <dipiwee> so.. "dots" = configuration files.
[17:30] <ikonia> dot sharing ?
[17:31] <ikonia> what is dot sharing ?
[17:31] <Pici> dotfiles
[17:31] <Pici> ikonia: where people share things like .vimrc and .screenrc and .bash_aliases things like that.
[17:31] <dipiwee> Pici: nope.. dotfiles has been "down" for a looong while now..
[17:32] <ikonia> ahhh
[17:32] <ikonia> Pici: I'm clearly not cool, I've never heard of that
[17:32] <Pici> dipiwee: I meant it as an example.
[17:32] <dipiwee> Pici: sorry
[17:33] <dipiwee> so .. if a topic could be posted on the forums about it.. would be awesome ! for people who enjoy "customizing" and great for the website aswell


[13:29] <daftykins> happy Sunday all
[13:30] <daftykins> peaceful you may expect, but nay... client on holiday on one of the smaller islands is in touch complaining about being unable to get his emails
[13:30] <daftykins> strange holiday, that one? i take a little glance and it turns out all his payment methods have expired and he's over his mailbox size limit... ooh dear!
[13:36] <daftykins> here's my cat, Mischief, in 4K: https://youtu.be/cp_FKYwYYhU
[13:53] <penguin42> I hink your cat melted
[13:53] <daftykins> hehe
[13:54] <daftykins> puddle_cat is born
[13:54] <zxm-pi> all cats are liquid, and solar powered
[13:55] <diddledan> kitty hot. kitty sleep
[14:47] <diddledan> too hot
[14:47] <daftykins> indeedy
[14:47] <daftykins> i had a nice iced lollipop out on the deck before the above shot
[14:48] <daftykins> hmm some fridge chilled water would go well about now
[15:33] <diddledan> 29C in my flat now
[15:33] <diddledan> I'm wilting
[15:39]  * daftykins waters diddledan
[16:13] <m0nkey_> you guys need to start investing in a window A/C unit or something... if you go portable, get a dual hose, single hose units suck in both senses of the word.
[16:14] <penguin42> m0nkey_: What do you mean by dual hose?
[16:14] <daftykins> i'm doing fine here :D
[16:14] <daftykins> 25 deg C in the home office
[16:15] <penguin42> more like 32 here
[16:15] <m0nkey_> penguin42: there's two types of portable A/C, single and dual hose. single sucks in the air from the room to cool, so any cracks or openings you have to the outside draw in hot air. dual hose sucks in air from outside and cools it.
[16:16] <penguin42> interesting
[16:17] <diddledan> I don't get the difference
[16:17] <diddledan> oh I see
[16:17] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc
[16:17] <diddledan> positive air pressure
[16:18] <m0nkey_> negative
[16:18] <diddledan> positive indoors compared to outdoors
[16:18] <m0nkey_> creates negative pressure, so any vents you have will pull in hot air
[16:19] <diddledan> I mean the double hose gives positive pressure
[16:19] <m0nkey_> it tries to keep the pressure neutral
[16:20]  * penguin42 assumes you can put the tube exactly where it matters
[16:20] <diddledan> penguin42: !
[16:21] <daftykins> poor m0nkey_ xD
[16:21] <m0nkey_> last year i got the biggest window unit i could buy
[16:22] <m0nkey_> 14000BTU running on 110V
[16:22] <m0nkey_> but the thing is heavy.. 100lbs
[16:22] <diddledan> ouch
[16:22] <daftykins> i wouldn't be a fan of blocking up a window, curious how the wall mounted units would compare
[16:23] <m0nkey_> all depends on the tech, if they're using a standard compressor or dual-inverter compressor
[16:23] <daftykins> latter being superior?
[16:23] <m0nkey_> mine is dual-inverter, so same tech as a split system.
[16:24] <m0nkey_> yeah
[16:26]  * penguin42 should cough up some money and get a proper split unit installed
[16:27] <m0nkey_> penguin42: spend the extra coin and get a heat pump instead. it can do both heating and cooling and is super efficient
[16:27] <daftykins> o0
[16:28] <penguin42> m0nkey_: Yeh, that might actually save some money in the winter
[16:28] <penguin42> mind you I suspect I'd need planning perms
[16:28] <daftykins> with either i'd be concerned how much i'd have to upgrade my electric supply to handle things
[16:28] <m0nkey_> i wouldn't anymore about that in the uk
[16:28]  * daftykins pats his trusty Wylex porcelain fuse wire consumer board
[16:28] <m0nkey_> afaik over here planning permission isn't required
[16:29] <diddledan> yeah, if you're mounting a wall-mount unit on the outside of your building that needs planning (and if you're renting it'll need landlord agreement)
[16:29] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmm it *should* be OK, probably...but yeh we do need the board replacing
[16:30] <diddledan> it falls under "changing the aesthetics" rules of planning requirements
[16:31] <daftykins> hehe mine absolutely isn't as-is
[16:31] <daftykins> my local electric co has a thing about air source heat pumps but only mentions heating
[16:31] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh they're pissy about it around here, matching roof tiles and the like
[16:31] <m0nkey_> what if the compressor is in your garden where only you can see it?
[16:33] <zxm-pi> i believe heat pumps can heat AND cool
[16:34] <daftykins> https://www.electricity.gg/home-services/electricalservices/air-source-heat-pumps/
[16:34] <m0nkey_> if i was buying a home now, it's certainly something i would have installed
[16:34] <daftykins> might be neat if so, just they don't mention
[16:35] <m0nkey_> heat pumps would be great in the UK, doesn't get too cold in the winter so will work well down to -10C i believe.
[16:35] <m0nkey_> unlike over here in the great white north where i've been in temps at -40C .. that aint fun lol
[16:35] <daftykins> :D
[16:36] <daftykins> can't even imagine it
[16:36] <daftykins> reet, i'm gonna get some chores tackled, bbs :D
[16:36] <zxm-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
[17:39] <diddledan> who killed popey?
[17:39] <diddledan> phew
[17:39] <diddledan> false alarm
[17:41] <penguin42> it's not impossible he's deep in an impossibly deep hole after I suggested yesterday he could get caller ID off his old modem
[17:47] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:48]  * daftykins packs prepared equipment for tomorrow
[17:48] <penguin42> daftykins: your NICs turned up yet?
[17:48] <daftykins> well that was Andy's address, he's not sent word!
[17:49] <penguin42> hmm, well only sent on Monday, so might still be working on it
[17:50] <daftykins> he seems unusually busy, doesn't seem to be able to escape the kids of evenings for even 5 minutes to action some changes on his home PC effectively
[17:50] <penguin42> nod
[17:50] <daftykins> 2 doctor parents on shifts that include nights seems like a hellish existence
[17:51] <penguin42> ouch
[17:58] <daftykins> time for some easy pasta \o/
[17:59] <zxm-pi> not up to a hand to hand fight with noodles? :-P
[18:00] <diddledan> chopstix at dusk?
[18:03] <daftykins> hehe
[18:10] <zxm-pi> hong kong patoeey :-P
[18:20] <diddledan> potatoey?
[18:22] <zxm-pi> too irish
[22:16] <daftykins> g'night all \o
[22:21] <zxm-pi> o/