[00:00] <smoku> why would you wand libhybris on a desktop?
[00:00] <Nothing_Much> Even if I include the "/usr/include" folder, it still doesn't work, it wants a file called android-version.h or something
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> I'm on an Arm PC at the moment
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> with an SGX 544 graphics card
[00:01] <Nothing_Much> That's why I need libhybris
[00:04] <smoku> oh
[00:04] <smoku> so I guess you need to pull the android source for your PC, to get that
[00:05] <smoku> you can do that on an intel PC wit a bigger hdd
[00:08] <Nothing_Much> smoku: just for headers?
[00:08] <Nothing_Much> do I need more than just headers for libhybris?
[00:09] <TechieElf> smoku I'm clueless on how to build from the source. The instructions in the readme only show how to get the source
[00:09] <smoku> Nothing_Much, I would check how Mer guys are building it
[00:10] <Nothing_Much> it's only for the cubiboard...
[00:11] <smoku> TechieElf, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[00:12] <smoku> Nothing_Much, the procedure for your board should be similar
[00:12] <Nothing_Much> yeah but
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> where are the android headers that don't take up all of my freaking hdd space????
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> I used that repo init script
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> and it downloads ALL OF THE PROJECTS
[00:13] <Nothing_Much> I ONLY NEED 4.2.1_R1
[00:14] <Nothing_Much> Sheesh, I've been at this for freaking days
[00:14] <kdub> no need to shout
[00:14] <kdub> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/libhardware/
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> oh my god it still doesn't work
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> now it's asking for manifest files
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> I need step by step instructions just to get these damn headers
[00:18] <Nothing_Much> pardon my language
[00:19] <TechieElf> smoku: "make: *** No rule to make target `/home/techieelf/xt907_phablet/out/host/linux-x86/bin/bsdiff', needed by `/home/techieelf/xt907_phablet/out/target/product/xt907/cm_xt907-ota-eng.techieelf.zip'.  Stop." Something went wrong when building?
[00:21] <smoku> TechieElf, or the repo for xt907 is not compatible with trusty-phablet anymore
[00:22] <TechieElf> What can I do?
[00:22] <smoku> TechieElf, fix it :)
[00:22] <TechieElf> How? :P
[00:26] <TechieElf> smoku.. when you say not compatible.. what exactly do you mean?
[00:28] <smoku> TechieElf, requires files which current build does not provide
[00:29] <TechieElf> smoku: As in android propietary blobs?
[00:29] <smoku> bsdiff does not sound like proprietary ;-)
[00:30] <TechieElf> smoku: I have no clue what half of these things are yet.. explain? :3
[00:32] <smoku> TechieElf, I don't have time for crash course. but I will answer specific questions when you have ones
[00:44] <TechieElf> smoku: I grabbed bsdiff's source and plopped it in where it was needed. Hope that was correct.
[01:15] <Thunderkey> any helpful tips for installing touch on a motorola xoom?
[01:21] <TechieElf> smoku the build finished. Can you explain what the different files that were outputted are for?
[02:22] <TechieElf> Any devs still active?
[02:49] <TechieElf> Welcome back, Nothing_Much
[03:15] <TechieElf> Hashcode, you available for a moment? I've built the xt907 phablet zip and flashed it along with the trusty fs, and flashed the ubuntu-boot.img. I'm stuck in a boot loop. Ideas?
[04:13] <AskUbuntu> Install Ubuntu SDK in Pear OS 8 | http://askubuntu.com/q/376288
[05:06] <unpopsicle> does ubuntu touch have that desktop mode yet?
[05:10] <SamZaNemesis> You can run X11 over HDMI, yes
[05:14] <RAOF> Wait, what? Really?
[05:15] <SamZaNemesis> Ubuntu Touch REQUIRES VT support, required to run X, and it happens to include X as well, since Ubuntu touch at it's core is Android Linux you can change the framebuffer for X to the MHL port
[05:16] <RAOF> I guess you can use fbdev there. I didn't know we shipped /usr/bin/Xorg
[05:17] <SamZaNemesis> my builds for Motorola Defy at least ship with X
[05:17] <SamZaNemesis> I wanted to add VT support to my HTC Ville (One S) but I don't know how to do kernel debugging
[05:22] <SamZaNemesis> but yeah, I'm sure most of "Ubuntu for Android" is based on just chrooted ubuntu with a kernel with VT support, but canonical has stopped doing open development because they want to license it to companies
[05:26] <unpopsicle> SamZaNemesis: I thought ubuntu for android was a different project
[05:29] <RAOF> Yeah, 'tis.
[06:10] <SamZaNemesis> Ubuntu for android is a different project
[06:24] <newbie___> hello
[06:25] <newbie___> anyone can help me with some problem
[06:57] <den4ik> how do i start building image for new device? (crespo) all "read me"s seems to be outdated
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <den4ik> good evening
[08:47] <qiuxue> hi
[09:58] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kindness Day! :-D
[10:27] <jalcine> hi jos
[10:27] <jalcine> next time ask me if you want a PM
[10:27] <jalcine> it's like walking into my house and borrowing a pen and I don't know who you are
[10:28] <jalcine> jos: stop PMing me in private
[10:32] <unpopsicle> jalcine: maybe he wants some sexy text action
[10:32] <jalcine> unpopsicle: lol well I'm not down
[10:45] <mandel_> oSoMoN, ping
[10:45] <ogra_> mandel_, hey, you pinged yesterday
[10:46] <mandel_> ogra_, yes, I had a fix for u-d-m about that upgrade bug, I wondered if you could test it in a device but ti looks like it was also fixed in the server side and in the s-i client side
[10:46] <mandel_> ogra_, we hit 3 bugs at once... impressive
[10:46] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[10:46] <ogra_> well, vila still had some probs today
[10:47] <mandel_> ogra_, yeah, I read the bug, I had not deployed my fix (PS Jenkins is down and I'm waiting on that)
[10:47] <ogra_> (he was stuck on 17 and didnt get an update provided by the UZI but s-i-c worked)
[10:47] <ogra_> *UI
[10:47] <ogra_> yup, i know ...
[10:47] <mandel_> ogra_, the issue with the progress bar is that the progress is calculated based on the number of files.. so when I get to same local paths I'm writing to the same path and that makes the progress funky
[10:48] <ogra_> right ... well, if there is a fix we're all fine ...
[10:48] <ogra_> (once CI is back)
[10:48] <mandel_> ogra_, I've fixed that but nevertheless I've greatly improve u-d-m (going to sound like a project manager) and removed a lot of tech debt
[10:48] <ogra_> :)
[10:48] <mandel_> ogra_, fixes are in trunk and in a saucy branch I have to minimize the diff in saucy
[10:50] <vila> mandel_: ha, progress bar issues make sense then, duplicate files issues are fixed right ? (But not yet available IIUC)
[10:51] <mandel_> vila, yes, it is fixed but not available
[10:51] <vila> great
[10:51] <mandel_> vila, once CI is fixed we will land it
[10:52] <mandel_> didrocks, ping
[10:52] <vila> mandel_: still waiting for feedback on whether CI is plugged (power and network) again, *then* we can start making sure the engine is functional (IP -> name migration)
[10:52] <didrocks> hey mandel_
[10:52] <mandel_> didrocks, hello!
[10:53] <mandel_> didrocks, I'm wondering, I have a fix that was hitting us with u-d-m and si to be landed in lp:ubuntu-download-manager/saucy  (and trunk)
[10:53] <mandel_> didrocks, could we land the one in the saucy branch as soon as CI is back?
[10:53] <didrocks> mandel_: no, apart from really critical fix, we don't land anything else in saucy
[10:53] <didrocks> as told in many emails :)
[10:54] <didrocks> we don't support the saucy build, people in less than a week will migrate to trusty on the stable channel
[10:54] <mandel_> didrocks, it is a critical bug, stops you from upgrading :)
[10:54] <mandel_> didrocks, but we can ignore it, as you wish
[10:54] <didrocks> mandel_: will people on image 100 won't be able to upgrade on image 20?
[10:55] <mandel_> didrocks, it is related with the delta, to be honest I think that they also fixed the bug in the server side and the delta is not longer generated two files with the same path
[10:56] <didrocks> mandel_: ok, so if this can work with the server update only, I would prefer that
[10:56] <didrocks> mandel_: I assume we'll start doing some more tests soon anyway, will keep you posted
[10:56] <mandel_> didrocks, AFAIK it can, we can double check with barry
[10:57] <mandel_> didrocks, great, let me know.. I'm doing a lot of work to make integration tests easier for u-d-m so we might be able to get things more testable
[10:57] <mandel_> didrocks, one small question, do you know any expert with lcov to give me a hand to add coverage reports for u-d-m?
[10:58] <didrocks> mandel_: IIRC, tvoss explored that
[10:58] <mandel_> thx
[10:58] <mandel_> tvoss, ping
[10:58] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <tvoss> mandel_, hey there
[10:59] <mandel_> tvoss, hello! I was wondering if you could give me a hand with gcovr and lcov
[11:00] <mandel_> tvoss, I'm trying to add reports for u-d-m but I'm getting empty files :-/
[11:00] <tvoss> mandel_, udm?
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, sorry, Ubuntu Download Manager (u-d-m) is the daemon that allows to perform long lasting downloads in the phone
[11:02] <tvoss> mandel_, ah okay. I assume that you have a cmake setup?
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, right now, used by system image upgrades, click packages installation and other few thigs
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, well, I have it correctly set up for qmake
[11:02] <mandel_> tvoss, here -> lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/add-coverage
[11:02] <tvoss> mandel_, why is that? we have ready-made coverage reporting for cmake available
[11:03] <mandel_> tvoss, because u-d-m was stared with qmake before we started using cmake everywhere
[11:03] <tvoss> mandel_, hmmm, would that be a good oppurtunity to switch over to cmake, then?
[11:03] <mandel_> tvoss, and I have not added 'moving to cmake' as one of my priorities right now
[11:04] <tvoss> mandel_, moving to cmake would give you the coverage reporting immediately, plus cross-building, once that works flawlessly ootb
[11:04] <mandel_> tvoss, could.. but I'm the only devel in the project and I have lots of bugs to deal with :-/
[11:04] <mandel_> tvoss, is more of a time issue than anything else
[11:06] <mandel_> tvoss, but I found not related issues to qmake, for example, the lcov version in ubuntu was giving problems
[11:06] <oSoMoN> mandel_, pong
[11:07] <tvoss> mandel_, okay, what kind of lcov issues were you experiencing?
[11:07] <mandel_> oSoMoN, one question, have you started with the downloading sdk?
[11:07] <mandel_> tvoss, let me find the output, one sec (or a few)
[11:08] <oSoMoN> mandel_, nope, afaik the task has been moved to your team, lucky you :)
[11:08] <mandel_> oSoMoN, hahahaha
[11:09] <mandel_> oSoMoN, yes, so I was told, but I wanted to check
[11:09] <mandel_> tvoss, for example => http://paste.ubuntu.com/6405182/
[11:09] <mandel_> tvoss, that is with lcov in ubuntu, if I do a checkout of lcov and install it the issue is fixed
[11:10] <tvoss> interesting, I get the warnings, too, but I have results nevertheless
[11:12] <mandel_> tvoss, might me that I did something in the coverage.pri that is in the project
[11:12] <oSoMoN> mandel_, actually, I had started that a while ago: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/downloadmanager
[11:12] <DJJeff> will apps like google maps, netflix run on ubuntu touch?
[11:12] <oSoMoN> mandel_, it’s only the interfaces as we agreed them, no actual implementation
[11:13] <mandel_> oSoMoN, is a good start nevertheless :)
[11:19] <mandel_> oSoMoN, this is the valid doc, right => https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1fqeIXENmZsY2ziO9_pq3Xt6xVtLVa4xmb009dJxzaQo/edit#heading=h.hvv839nh8gg0
[11:19]  * mandel_ needs to add a url shortening script for his irc client
[11:24] <TechieElf> Hey. Any fellow devs active?
[11:30] <TechieElf> smoku can you help me figure out where I went wrong? I grabbed the source, built it, then flashed the phablet zip, trusty-preinstalled-touch-armf.zip, and ubuntu-boot.img and I'm stuck in a boot loop.
[11:38] <oSoMoN> mandel_, yes
[11:41] <mandel_> oSoMoN, ok, do you mind attending to the vUDS talk about it? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22104/appdev-1311-udm-sdk/
[11:44] <davmor2> ogra_: just updated to 21 and it installed and didn't kill my phone good start
[11:46] <mandel_> tvoss, could you also be present here => http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22104/appdev-1311-udm-sdk/  (if possible)
[11:47] <mandel_> tvoss, I'd like to get your input about the lifecycle  of apps and how we should deal with them from an SDK point of view
[11:47] <tvoss> mandel_, sure
[11:47] <mandel_> tvoss, awesome, thx!
[11:47] <davmor2> seb128: daft question on system settings on maguro it takes an age to change from one view to another is there a reason for that?  I don't know if it is the same for the n4
[11:48] <seb128> davmor2, is that a new issue? and no, we just do standard toolkit use afaik ... is that the only app having that issue?
[11:48] <tvoss> mandel_, subscribed to the blueprint
[11:49] <mandel_> tvoss, thx a lot, I'd really appreciate your input regarding the lifecycle because we will be missing dbus signals when the app is paused or killed and I don't really know what is the recommended things to do
[11:50] <tvoss> mandel_, ack, is there a high-level document that explains how things are wired together?
[11:50] <davmor2> seb128: some of the apps have an initial slow start up but I've grown accustomed to that, they work fairly well after.  I think it slowed in Trusty I'm pretty sure that the app was snappier in Saucy
[11:50] <Guest37186> hello
[11:50] <davmor2> seb128: latter I'll take a video to show you what I mean
[11:50] <seb128> davmor2, check with the toolkit/mir guys maybe, ubuntu-system-settings didn't change since saucy
[11:51] <Guest37186> how to set  audio latency with terminal?
[11:51] <Guest37186> 41k, 4096 on jackd
[11:51] <mandel_> tvoss, I just have a wiki with the dbus API and not a very detail explanation. I'll update the wiki to ad such explanations and will point to the wiki from the blueprint
[11:51] <Guest37186> Cant find a thing
[11:51] <tvoss> mandel_, yup, that would be really helpful, thx
[11:51] <davmor2> seb128: will do thanks
[11:51] <seb128> davmor2, yw
[11:51] <mandel_> tvoss, I do have state machine diagrams (need to update those) on the diff states of the downloads, group downloads and the  download queue, I'll add those to the wiki too
[11:52] <Guest37186> mandel_ do you know the command?
[11:52] <tvoss> mandel_, yeah, whatever you have got :)
[11:52] <Guest37186> to set audio latency with terminal?
[11:53] <mandel_> Guest37186, sorry, no idea
[11:53] <Guest37186> I'm using Jackd but can't find a thing for set Jackd to 41k, 4096 via terminal
[11:54] <davmor2> Guest37186: this is not a help channel, it is developer channel you want to ask on #ubuntu
[11:55] <davmor2> Guest37186: more people there aimed at general help, they should be able to help you.
[11:55] <Guest37186> ok thanks
[11:57] <oSoMoN> mandel_, will od
[11:57] <oSoMoN> do
[11:58] <ogra_> davmor2, good to hear :)
[11:58] <mandel_> oSoMoN, sweet, I'll try to get some people that I know that are interested to join too
[13:03] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: is the tests inside the same TestCase run in any specific order ? and if there are many TestCase in the same qml file, is the component outisde of the TestCases instantiated many times, one per TestCase run, or just once at startup ?
[13:04] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: alphabetical order afaik. it's instantiated once per file
[13:05] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: uff, ok, so there's no way to reset things between test, and we need a qml file per test
[13:05] <nerochiaro> that's kind of cumbersome
[13:05] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: you can use a loader
[13:05] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: hmm, clever
[14:03] <cwayne> mzanetti, ping
[14:03] <mzanetti> hey chris
[14:03] <mzanetti> cwayne: ^
[14:05] <cwayne> hey mzanetti were you looking for me at some point last week?
[14:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: ah yeah. saw your post about the fitbit app. as I was hacking on mine anyways (making it work offline) I also added support for badges
[14:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: had a question there but figured the solution
[14:07] <cwayne> mzanetti, ah, nice!
[14:08] <cwayne> mzanetti, i'm not sure i'd ever release mine at this point, was just a way for me to learn qml :)
[14:08] <mzanetti> cwayne: yeah. but feel free to contribute to mine. the code is on launchpad. for example feeding the infographics would be nice.
[14:09] <cwayne> mzanetti, sure!  i'll have to take a look
[14:09] <cwayne> the one thing that worries me there is i have 0 c++ experience
[14:09] <mzanetti> cwayne: Qt is not C++
[14:09] <mzanetti> well, it is sort of... but makes it much easier
[14:09] <mzanetti> give it a try
[14:10] <cwayne> will do :)
[14:14] <cwayne> dpm, any luck re: evernote account?
[14:16] <dpm> hi cwayne, mardy traced it to be https://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/detail?r=8fb9330ec6b5a3b8363d982e85b639e162fa5508&name=empty-secret-token&repo=signon-plugin-oauth2 - the fix is now pending review and merge and then we'll need to package up signon-plugin-oauth2 with the fix
[14:18] <cwayne> dpm, nice!
[14:18] <cwayne> dpm, ok, so i'll get this account-plugin into a ppa then
[14:18] <cwayne> i assume that means there should be no change to the plugin?
[14:19] <mardy> kenvandine: can you review this? It's important for evernote: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/signon-plugin-oauth2/packaging/+merge/195030
[14:19] <dpm> cwayne, awesome, thanks! Not that I know of, other than adding the Evernote icon to it (my .provider file abused the Twitter icon)
[14:20] <cwayne> dpm, yep, i've taken care of that :)
[14:20] <dpm> great :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> mardy, will do
[14:22] <cwayne> mardy, will that be SRU'd to saucy? or just go into trusty
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne: just trusty, unless someone really needs it on saucy
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne: the package dependencies are not changes, so one can install it manually on saucy, if needed
[14:25] <cwayne> mardy, awesome, thanks
[14:31] <chris_> hi, does ubuntu on the galaxy nexus currently support nfc via nfc-tools?
[14:32]  * ogra_ doesnt think nfc is supported at all yet
[14:33] <ogra_> we might have a vUDS session for this next week ... tvoss might know
[14:33] <tvoss> ogra_, it is not supported yet. not aware of a session. ChickenCutlass, ^ are you aware of any session on nfc support?
[14:33]  * ogra_ thought that falls under general sensors support somehow
[14:34] <ChickenCutlass> tvoss, no
[14:34] <cwayne> ogra_, hey, are we still waiting on initramfs merges?
[14:34] <ogra_> like compass, magnetometer etc etc
[14:34] <tvoss> ogra_, it's not a sensor, more bluetooth-like
[14:34] <ogra_> ah
[14:35]  * ogra_ has No F*cking Clue about NFC
[14:35] <ogra_> :P
[14:35] <Stskeeps> libhybris has (at least) nxp nfc support
[14:35] <Stskeeps> you'll need to write the rest of the glue though
[14:35] <ogra_> cwayne, which ones ?
[14:36] <ogra_> we're currently waiting for the CI system to come back after the move
[14:36] <ogra_> (which includes the image testing system too)
[14:37] <cwayne> ogra_, specifically this one, it still needs a top-approve (it'd make sense to wait for jenkins then, i'd forgotten about that) https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/no-hardcoding-user/+merge/194004
[14:38] <ogra_> cwayne, ah, yeah i remember this one ...
[14:38] <ogra_> i'll process it as soon as we have some image test results again (iirc i had added a landing plan entry)
[14:39] <chris_> ok, thank you
[14:39] <cwayne> ogra_, ah, alright, thanks :)
[14:46] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: is there any way to do >= or <= comparisons in QML unit tests ?
[14:46] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: verify()
[14:49] <mardy> kenvandine: I updated that MP with the correct version in the changelog
[14:49] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: no way to do "eventually" with that, right ?
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: no
[14:50] <cwayne> kalikiana, i tried out tedg's MR to add XDG_DATA_DIR to upstart-app-launch, but still no translations :(
[14:50] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: ok thanks
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: well... there is something
[14:50] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: check out unity8. we have a "tryCompareFunction()"
[14:51] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: that is somewhat like the lambda + Eventually in AP
[14:51] <kenvandine> mardy, thx
[14:51] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: that sounds good
[14:55] <tedg> cwayne, ping me if it looks like my issue.  I'm sure it's not because the tests pass, but you never know ;-)
[14:55] <cwayne> tedg, sure thing :)  although i see XDG_DATA_DIRS being set, so I'm sure its another issue
[14:57] <cwayne> kalikiana, ^
[15:03] <mardy> kenvandine: did you forget to top-approve, or is there some issue? (I see that jenkins is down?)
[15:03] <cjohnston> mardy: the entire lab is still down
[15:04] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, "down" or "in the process of being moved to the data center?" ;)
[15:04]  * ogra_ hopes they didnt leave it running while moving !
[15:04] <cjohnston> both?
[15:05] <cjohnston> down because it's in process of being moved
[15:06] <kenvandine> mardy, didn't forget, just didn't do it :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> mardy, feel free to top-approve
[15:07] <mardy> kenvandine: ok :-)
[15:07] <kenvandine> i usually don't do that until CI passes, but I guess that isn't happening today :/
[15:11] <firelmnt> why isn't this file (.repo/local_manifests/roomservice.xml) in the repo for building ubuntu-touch? Could someone help?
[15:14] <kalikiana> cwayne: how do you test it? I see no .deb files from jenkins there on a quick look; though I'm about to run, I'll be back later
[15:14] <cwayne> kalikiana, i pbuilt it and pushed it manually
[15:14] <cwayne> kalikiana, it is setting XDG_DATA_DIR, but it's still not translated
[15:29] <mandel_> vila, ping
[15:30] <vila> mandel_: pong but entering a meeting
[15:30] <mandel_> vila, any idea of the state of CI?
[15:30] <mandel_> vila, a monosilable answers is enough :)
[15:31] <vila> mandel_: I'm waiting for a mail summary :-/
[15:31] <mandel_> vics, thx
[15:31] <mandel_> vics, sorry
[15:31] <mandel_> vila, thx
[15:39] <cwayne> mardy, so is the merge happening today or are we waiting for jenkins
[15:50] <lool> sergiusens: I guess you cant release music-app without the jenkins that does the builds?
[15:52] <sergiusens> lool, I can manually do it; but do we want to?
[15:53] <sergiusens> lool, we need to either merge something new or update the version in the manifest (merging something new is in the pipeline)
[15:56] <lool> sergiusens: Ok
[16:23] <tvoss> seb128, hey, I'm searching for a high-level document describing the system settings app
[16:23] <seb128> tvoss, hey, I don't think we have one
[16:23] <tvoss> seb128, who would be the best person to talk to if I have got specific questions then?
[16:24] <seb128> tvoss, that channel seems about right, what sort of questions?
[16:24] <tvoss> seb128, I was more after a person that can walk me through the code and explain common patterns and design decisions to me. Would that be mardy?
[16:24] <seb128> tvoss, Laney, mardy, tedg, kenvandine and I are the most actives on it
[16:25] <tvoss> seb128, ack and thx
[16:25] <seb128> tvoss, I doubt there is such things, different panels have been handled by different people
[16:25] <seb128> tvoss, mardy bootstrapped the project but didn't get involved a lot recently
[16:25] <cwayne> mterry, ping
[16:25] <mterry> cwayne, hello!
[16:26] <seb128> tvoss, the panel are mostly qml UI with cpp backends, some of them who have lot in common with indicators reuse their backend over unitymenumodel
[16:27] <ogra_> seb128, oh, that reminds me ... we'll have a session about developer mode (and UI switch integration of the same in teh settings) should i invite someone of your team to that ?
[16:27] <cwayne> mterry, how can i change the language programatically?
[16:27] <cwayne> mterry, this is going back to the customizing locale business
[16:27] <mterry> cwayne, well...  it won't take effect until you reboot, but you could do it with a dbus-send command.  Is that good enough?
[16:28] <seb128> ogra_, on what track is that session? I would like to be there, but vUDS sucks for track lead (I need to host sessions on client 1 so I can't join another discussion while hosting, even if I'm not participating in what I host)
[16:28] <cwayne> mterry, hm, that's a good start at least
[16:28] <ogra_> seb128, if it ever gets scheduled (hey slangasek) it will be on the core track
[16:29] <seb128> ogra_, ok, if it's not client 1 I can't easily come, maybe Laney would be interested to represent us?
[16:29] <Laney> could do
[16:30] <Laney> we'll need a designer though
[16:30] <ogra_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-complete-developer-mode-integration
[16:30] <Laney> s/designer/design/
[16:30] <ogra_> thats the blueprint
[16:31] <mterry> cwayne, dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetLanguage string:en
[16:32] <cwayne> mterry, thanks.  so is there any possible way to preseed it so that a reboot isn't necessary?
[16:32] <slangasek> ogra_: which session?
[16:32] <mterry> cwayne, oh well then you could just change the system language...  let me see
[16:33] <mterry> cwayne, that's in /etc/default/locale
[16:33] <ogra_> slangasek, three actually, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-complete-developer-mode-integration https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-early-boot-animation and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-low-battery-boot-mode
[16:33] <ogra_> slangasek, all for the core track
[16:33] <cwayne> mterry, and thats in writable-paths?
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, don't know
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, if it's not, you can drop a file in /var/lib/AccountsService/user/phablet with the key set for the use
[16:34] <mterry> r
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, see current file for format
[16:34] <slangasek> ogra_: ok, I think I have them scheduled in a reasonably conflict-free manner
[16:34] <mterry> cwayne, you would want to set the Language key
[16:34] <ogra_> slangasek, thanks a lot !
[16:35] <cwayne> mterry, ah, perfect
[16:35] <cwayne> mterry, what if i did that dbus-send before unity starts? would it still need a reboot?
[16:35] <mterry> cwayne, you'd really have to do it before lightdm starts, but no, it wouldn't need a reboot
[16:36] <cwayne> mterry, ah, great, i'll play around with that then
[16:36] <rsalveti> slangasek: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-touch-emulator
[16:36] <cwayne> mterry, perhaps i'll just do it as an upstart job before lightdm/unity8 start
[16:37] <cwayne> mterry, would that be 'the right way to do it'?
[16:38] <mterry> cwayne, I guess?..  It sounds like setting /etc/defaults/locale would be best.  But I guess if that's readonly, that's a nonstarter, unless you want to poke a hole for it
[16:39] <mterry> cwayne, you can't spin a new image for what you're doing?
[16:39] <cwayne> mterry, i can spin the custom bits
[16:39] <mterry> cwayne, well then you could edit that file, eh?
[16:39] <ogra_> mterry, i thought the locales are set in ~/.pam-environment (iirc seb128 mentioned that)
[16:39] <seb128> ogra_, they are
[16:40] <seb128> ogra_, well for the user at least
[16:40] <ogra_> so i guess updating it there should work
[16:40] <mterry> seb128, what about AccountsService's Language key?
[16:40] <cwayne> mterry, we don't have a mechanism to copy stuff to /etc atm though
[16:40] <cwayne> we do have a mechanism to copy to ~
[16:40] <cwayne> and we can edit other stuff by doing upstart jobs i suppose
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, we go through accountsservice's dbus method to write the config so I guess that has a correct value?
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, but pam doesn't use AS
[16:41] <seb128> mterry, do the way it's applied to the sessions is through pam/.pam_environment, which works for text login etc as well
[16:42] <mterry> seb128, ogra_: ah yeah, AS just sets .pam_environment
[16:42] <mterry> cwayne, so that would be another option for you ^
[16:43] <cwayne> mterry, ok, i'm just trying to figure out which one is the generally preferred way
[16:43] <cwayne> or 'the right way' :)
[16:43] <mterry> cwayne, AS is an abstraction layer for .pam_environment in this case.  Either way is fine
[16:44] <mterry> cwayne, it *sounds* like you already have easy way to preseed ~ files, so maybe .pam_environment is best for you
[16:46] <cwayne> we have an easy way, but it's generally considered the 'hackier' way to do it tbh
[16:46] <cwayne> mterry, i'll play around with an upstart job and see what works best
[17:05] <cwayne> Cimi, ping
[17:16] <davmor2> hey guys if you turn bluetooth off an come back to your phone in an hour is it turned back on?
[17:19]  * ogra_ hasnt checked that, but i know it gets turned on after reboot
[17:23] <didrocks> mhall119: not sure youmissed my ping from yesterday, but I think I asked you to move the CI Airline discussion on Tuesday to 4PM
[17:24] <janimo> ogra_, rsalveti should we have a vUDS session dedicated fully to x86 images? Some will be touched in the Qt session but we'd need one for most of the rest of the work items
[17:25] <didrocks> mhall119: and as well, you didn't move the "make click apps runnable from the unity7 dash" in the client2 track
[17:25] <rsalveti> janimo: we could probably have one, might be useful indeed
[17:25] <rsalveti> janimo: mind leading it?
[17:25] <sanyo_steve> OT: The Edge ;   she lives  !!    For Ebay tells me so ... http://r.ebay.com/2O1dPH   Ghehe .
[17:25] <cwayne> kenvandine, is there a session for account plugins as clicks (mainly how to deal with dependencies etc)?
[17:25] <kenvandine> cwayne, not that i know of
[17:26] <ogra_> janimo, seems to make sense to me ... though i guess most bits we will hit are not really predictable
[17:27] <ogra_> but we should at least list the obvious bits
[17:27] <rsalveti> janimo: and creating support for the x86 emulator might be the easier way to go
[17:27] <rsalveti> unless we have a device in hands :-)
[17:28] <cwayne> kenvandine, would it make sense to have one? or is it not quite worth it
[17:28] <kenvandine> it might already be well defined, not sure
[17:28] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^
[17:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: I'm more concerned about the gl x gles issue
[17:29] <ogra_> ++
[17:29] <cwayne> i know the click hooks themselves will be easy enough, just didn't know about dependencies, etc
[17:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, but that will likely be covered in the Qt session
[17:29] <rsalveti> yeah
[17:41] <mardy> cwayne, kenvandine: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1311-online-accounts
[17:41] <mardy> at least partially :-)
[17:41] <janimo> rsalveti, ogra I'll se about setting something up
[17:41] <ogra_> thx
[17:41] <cwayne> mardy, awesome thanks :)
[17:42] <janimo> rsalveti, even with the emulator we'd still need the images being built. That is the main blocker IMHO from an infrastructure PoV as it is not really doable by most people
[17:42] <janimo> unlike the various x86 specific bugfixes across android and packages that may come up
[17:45] <rsalveti> right, indeed
[17:52]  * janimo registered a blueprint then was lead elsewhere by launchpad. Needs to find it now
[18:07] <janimo> ogra_, rsalveti this is the meeting URL but I can't seem to be able to register a blueprint
[18:07] <janimo> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22114/ubuntu-touch-for-x86/
[18:11] <cwayne> tedg, hey, your MR for upstart-app-launch will add the app dir to the XDG_DATA_DIRS right? as in, it doesn't overwrite it to *just* include the app_dir?
[18:25] <inblueswithu> Hi, I read ubuntu only officially support nexus devices. Can i install ubuntu on my android device like sony mobile ? If so, what problems are likely?
[18:31] <ogra_> inblueswithu, there are some community ports, see the devices wikipage (though they are usually a bit behind in features and function)
[18:32] <ogra_> !devices | inblueswithu
[18:32] <inblueswithu> ubot5: ogra_: thankyou :) I'll look into it
[18:32] <ogra_> :)
[18:32] <ogra_> silly bot
[18:33] <inblueswithu> ya.. :P silly thing
[18:33] <inblueswithu> but it got me correctly
[18:58] <Jsanchez> Hello everyone, I'm wondering what's the status on ubuntu touch on galaxy S4 besides the few posts on forums, Can my device be a test subject, can I help in anyway?
[19:01] <beuno> Jsanchez, there is no official support for the device
[19:01] <beuno> nor is there any planned
[19:02] <beuno> so whatever people are doing in the forums, that would be it  :)
[19:02] <Jsanchez> beuno, that's a bummer, I have this good piece of hardware with shitty OS, *snif*
[19:32] <TechieElf> Any fellow devs active?
[19:42] <TechieElf> Hashcode, o great one, I have an issue with the Xt907 port. Can you help me?
[19:51] <TechieElf> Any devs?
[20:00] <TechieElf> xnox can you help me possibly?
[20:01] <xnox> TechieElf: i advise you to send your queries to ubuntu-phone mailing list, such that everyone can answer them, no matter which timezone they are in.
[20:01] <xnox> TechieElf: only a fraction of people idle here on IRC.
[20:02] <TechieElf> xnox: I understand that and I will try that approach. Thank you.
[20:14] <bfiller> kenvandine: where is best place to find qml api for content-hub?
[20:15] <kenvandine> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Content/
[20:15] <kenvandine> bfiller,  ^^
[20:15] <bfiller> kenvandine: awesome thanks
[20:15] <kenvandine> np
[20:18] <mostkaj> Hi all. Has anyone tried ubuntu on nexus 5 ?
[20:30] <genii> TechieElf: Did you check to see if your issue on the page of known problems already? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/xt907
[20:55] <AskUbuntu> Why I do not find any tutorail for Scope and Python for Ubuntu 13.10 | http://askubuntu.com/q/376633
[20:56] <mostkaj> Its posible to install ubuntu touch on nexus 5?
[20:59] <mostkaj> its possible to install ubuntu touch on nexus 5 ?
[20:59] <beuno> mostkaj, not currently supported, no
[21:06] <sergiusens> mostkaj, wait for it
[21:08] <sergiusens> mostkaj, it's coming for this cycle most likely
[21:09] <Tassadar> it is?!
[21:09] <ogra_> pretty likely, yes
[21:09] <ogra_> no final word yet though
[21:09] <Tassadar> yaay)
[21:10] <ogra_> and a lot of work ... since we need to move to android 4.4
[21:10] <Tassadar> yeah, I didn't expect you to do that Oo
[21:10] <Tassadar> (and that means flo will get at least unofficial ports, too, nice)
[21:11] <sergiusens> Tassadar, it's sort of required for newer hw; so we are aiming for it
[21:12] <Tassadar> well, that's one decision done, i'm getting N5 and not n4 ^^
[21:13] <balloons> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/music-app/fix-shuffle-test/+merge/195129
[21:14] <sergiusens> balloons, works without the qml changes as well?
[21:15] <balloons> sergiusens, no I grabbed his changes.. I just started playing with the branch and upped the failure count on it.. it ran fine out of the box on my nexus doing that, so I pushed it and jenkins was ok with it also
[21:15] <balloons> that is the only difference between brancges
[21:16] <balloons> I don't like how they implemented shuffle
[21:16] <sergiusens> balloons, doh, saw the qml and thought it was python code :-/
[21:16] <sergiusens> :-)
[21:17] <sergiusens> balloons, I haven't seen it tbh
[21:45] <AskUbuntu> Huawei E173 modem always need a restart to get detected | http://askubuntu.com/q/376649
[22:28] <virtual-liquid> hello
[22:28] <virtual-liquid> anyone there ?
[22:29] <popey> yes virtual-liquid
[22:30] <virtual-liquid> I was in hopes, that someone here could guide me in the direction of downloading the ubuntu touch distro for my x86 ibm thinkpad x200 tablet.... :/
[22:31] <virtual-liquid> Or what other good tablet / touch distros would be to try?
[22:31] <popey> We haven't made a version of touch specifically for x86 tablets, but if you install ubuntu, you can try out unity 8 I believe.
[22:31] <virtual-liquid> hmm, ok ill check it out now .
[22:33] <virtual-liquid> Unity 8 work with 64 bit version?
[22:35] <popey> virtual-liquid: yes, but I haven't tested it myself on x86_64
[22:35] <virtual-liquid> thanks, watching a video on unity 8 now, looks good. downloading 13.10 to install.. :)
[23:30] <Gallomimia> ah, finally got my irc working again!
[23:31] <Gallomimia> i'm having some trouble trying to flash this unsupported tablet i have. so far all i know is that adb devices gives: ????????????	no permissions
[23:35] <xnox> Gallomimia: try $ sudo adb devices
[23:35] <Gallomimia> yes i did that, same result
[23:38] <Gallomimia> who the hell made this? uh.... it just says D2pad "internet tablet"
[23:42] <Gallomimia> anyway, this is a really neat tablet, but the software that's on it runs worse than a brick. therefore, i shall get ubuntu to run on it for the benefit of myself and others. period
[23:46] <TechieElf> Hello guys, I'm back to nag some more :P
[23:50] <cwayne> \o/ translated click apps
[23:53] <Gallomimia> alright so google has helped me figure out that i should look for a vendor ID for this device. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640158 any ideas how to find it?


[22:54] <Abwehr> It's giving me a compiler not found error... I'm trying to run cmake about half-way through the installation process.
[22:54] <Abwehr> I downloaded KDevelop but that didn't seem to help.
[22:56] <Abwehr> It's this step in particular that isn't working out...
[22:56] <Abwehr> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`
[22:56] <Kyokamui> I need an nfs expert to help me out here
[22:57] <Kyokamui> mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered
[22:57] <Kyokamui> never seen that before
[23:01] <the7thmagus_> hey, I am using Kubuntu Jaunty and my file delete and empty trash operations do not work
[23:02] <the7thmagus_> its just stalled and stays there forever. KIOslave delete process takes up massive CPU time
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> !nfs
[23:06] <Abwehr> !cmake
[23:08] <b23> hi, I want to install the newest version of KDE (4.2) over my ubuntu 8.10 install, how can I do that?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> b23: KDE 4.2.2 out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2
[23:10] <b23> ActionParsnip: ok thanks the link helps
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> :D
[23:11] <b23> is it better to wait for jaunty?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> b23: your call. ive got jaunty running fine but thats me
[23:13] <b23> b23: ok ic
[23:23] <tomb_> hi - jaunty refused to update kdebase-runtime telling me that it needs kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 in version 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu2 but 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 is installed
[23:24]  * Nielsen does the jaunty
[23:31] <vistakiller> what happen to kubuntuforum.net?
[23:32] <sourcemaker> KMymoney: how can I sync my account via homepaging?
[23:32] <EagleScreen> Bug #1
[23:41] <jahbulon> linux sucks
[23:41] <jahbulon> i installed eclipse
[23:41] <jahbulon> and it screwed up my java such that i can't even run frostwire
[23:42] <jahbulon> what ever happened to seperation of concerns ?
[23:44] <jahbulon> http://rafb.net/p/Rap3bv32.html
[23:45] <jahbulon> what do i have to type to make it work?
[23:46] <herrow> Hello? How can I get some help?
[23:46] <jahbulon> by asking your question.
[23:46] <herrow> So, I
[23:47] <herrow> i tried changing the admin, and deleted the initial user..but not i dont have an admin and therefore cant create one..is there somethign i can do?
[23:48] <efisio> ciao
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> herrow- if you deleted the only user in the admin group and you haven't set a password for root, there probably isn't much you can do
[23:51] <derek> Hello all... I a using kde4 and a trying to revert back to the traditional desktop/icon arrangement from the current "folder view" widget thing
[23:51] <derek> I just want things to flow with my desktop...  Can anyone give me some advice?
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> At least short of finding some local exploit you can use
[23:52] <EagleScreen> yes derek there is a bug with that
[23:52] <derek> EagleScreen: are there details anywhere? or maybe a fix?
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> derek- well, putting a folder view pointing to ~/Desktop on your desktop does the same thing
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> Though I think 4.2 has a setting to make it look like the old style
[23:53] <EagleScreen> I supuse you are changing to Desktop view and a few seconds later it go bak to folder view is it?
[23:53] <derek> Dragnsclr:  I don't like widgits and prefer it to flow w/ the desktop as it used to not as a module.  If I wanted to view a folder I would open a couple windows and then be able to navigate tehm using the taskbar
[23:55] <EagleScreen> derek tell me if your problem is as I described
[23:55] <joshjtl> is there anything i can install that wont install all gnome libs to config gtk themes?
[23:55] <herrow> not much i can do? theres no way to basically restart my whole computer?
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> herrow- sure, you can always reinstall the operating system
[23:56] <EagleScreen> joshjtl: sudo aptitude -R install gtk-qt-engine
[23:56] <herrow> would I need a CD for that?
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> derek- have you seen the folder view on a desktop? It works exactly the same as the old style
[23:57] <joshjtl> EagleScreen: that doesnt allow me to configure the gtk themes just apply them
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> herrow- most likely
[23:57] <EagleScreen> oh
[23:57] <EagleScreen> herrow do you need root password?
[23:58] <herrow> yeah, i do..
[23:58] <herrow> is there a sort of universal root password?
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> Nope
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> By default, there is no root password. Everything goes through sudo and uses your normal user password
[23:59] <EagleScreen> herrow if you have GRUB woth no password you can change root password now
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> That's new
[23:59] <EagleScreen> or if you can uso sudo run 'sudo passwd'
[23:59] <joshjtl> EagleScreen: is there anything i can install that will let me actually configure the gtk theme?


[09:23] <dottedmag> Hi. I want to test that feisty will be compatible with the notebook I have. However, wiki page suggest testing compatiblility against the current stable version of Ubuntu? Is there established rules how to check compatibility during the alpha- and beta- testing?
[09:37] <dottedmag> hmm.. found it ;)


[00:41] <xwalk> Could anyone tell me what is wrong with this crontab I made? My cron daemon is running and I have still yet to see the command that I specify in the file execute. http://ideone.com/4m6NJ
[00:46] <Guest45739> hi
[00:46] <Guest45739> can you help me¿?
[00:48] <Guest45739> can you read me?
[00:50] <holstein> !ask | Guest45739
[00:51] <Guest45739> well
[00:52] <Guest45739> i try to explore a XFS file format HD
[00:52] <Guest45739> with xubuntu livecd
[00:52] <Guest45739> i get an error: Error mounting: mount: Structure needs cleaning
[00:53] <holstein> Guest45739: i would test the drive
[00:54] <holstein> Guest45739: i would try another live CD.. live a system rescue one
[00:55] <Guest45739> you?
[00:55] <holstein> Guest45739: thats what my suggestion to you would be, thats what i would do if i saw that message
[00:56] <holstein> i assume you are mounting it from a live CD as a rescue attempt? the drive could be bad
[00:56] <Guest45739> is a usb drive
[00:56] <holstein> Guest45739: but, yes... "i" refers to me, as to what i would do assuming i were looking at that message
[00:57] <holstein> Guest45739: if you have windows on that machine, and you are booting linux to try and rescue a USB stick, look into something running photorec
[00:57] <holstein> its part of testdisk http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[00:58] <holstein> its in the repos for ubuntu... i use it with a live CD from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[00:58] <Guest45739> i tried torepair with testdisk
[00:58] <Guest45739> but failed
[00:59] <holstein> Guest45739: photorec from the testdisk suite will get the data from the stick.. assuming it can be recovered
[00:59] <holstein> Guest45739: otherwise, linux is not magic... i wouldnt expect to pop in a live CD and just boot that USB stick if its failing
[00:59] <holstein> i would run photorec on it and let it run as long as you can...
[01:00] <Guest45739> what photorec can do?
[01:00] <holstein> Guest45739: for me, i use photorec on *any* hard drive that wont mount and has data that i would like to recover
[01:01] <Guest45739> well
[01:01] <holstein> Guest45739: photorec can do anything from recover the data to nothing at all
[01:01] <holstein> i let it work on an SD card i had overnite and it recovered everything
[01:02] <Guest45739> i use the hd to record from samsung smart tv
[01:02] <Guest45739> this tv use xfs file system
[01:03] <holstein> Guest45739: doesnt matter what you use it for.. if its trashed, photorec is your best bet, other than taking it to a professional
[01:03] <holstein> they will likely use photorec though
[01:03] <holstein> Guest45739: doesnt matter what file system either... it'll either get the data, or not
[01:04] <Guest45739> when i play a record the disk fail
[01:04] <Guest45739> and the tv can not recognize it
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: correct
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: that is what i would expect to see from a failing disk
[01:05] <holstein> Guest45739: is that what you are suspecting?
[01:06] <Guest45739> what?
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: seems like the disk is dea, and its a proprietary format that may not allow you to do much with it as far as recovery
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: im asking you if you suspect the drive is failing?
[01:06] <Guest45739> no
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: OK
[01:06] <Guest45739> i don't
[01:06] <holstein> Guest45739: then just pop it in the computer and mount it
[01:07] <Guest45739> in windows with a program i can view the files
[01:07] <holstein> cool
[01:07] <Guest45739> and directorys
[01:07] <holstein> grab them
[01:07] <holstein> gota go! good luck
[01:08] <holstein> Guest45739: i think it would do you well to accept that the drive could be failing.. or that it needs to be formated at least
[01:08] <holstein> just my opinion.. i usually just test and confirm that the drive is good :)
[01:08] <holstein> later!
[01:08] <Guest45739> i don't want to format it
[01:09] <Guest45739> and i can't play the drm files
[01:09] <chelz> dd the partition and run fsck?
[01:09] <Guest45739> only i need is to repair the file system and try that the tv recognize the hd
[01:10] <chelz> a tv uses xfs?
[01:10] <Guest45739> yes
[01:10] <Guest45739> i don't undertand your first question
[01:10] <chelz> oh
[01:11] <chelz> Guest45739: how do you know it uses xfs?
[01:11] <chelz> Guest45739: do you want the drive to work or to get data off of it?
[01:11] <Guest45739> to work
[01:11] <Guest45739> with the data
[01:12] <Guest45739> i don't want to format it
[01:12] <Guest45739> do you know xfstest command for linux console?
[01:13] <holstein> move the data off with DD... reformat... put it back
[01:13] <Guest45739> dd?
[01:13] <chelz> Guest45739: open a terminal and type "man dd"
[01:16] <Guest45739> Error mounting: mount: Structure needs cleaning
[01:19] <Guest45739> i prefer no use the terminal
[01:20] <Guest45739> because i don'y know what i'm doing
[01:25] <xubuntu939> hi there
[01:26] <xubuntu939> need help please?
[01:26] <xubuntu939> regarding partitioning?
[01:26] <xubuntu939> anyone?
[01:26] <Unit193> !ask
[01:26] <xubuntu939> how to do partitioning?
[01:27] <Guest45739> with gparted?
[01:27] <Unit193> Generally gparted is the best tool, but that still doesn't say what you need to do, so harder to answer. :P
[01:28] <xubuntu939> well im doing a dual boot for Windows 7 and Xubuntu
[01:28] <xubuntu939> i already installed WIndows and left a 100GB disk space for the installation of xubuntu
[01:31] <xubuntu939> hello?
[01:32] <Unit193> The installer should generally give you an option.
[01:33] <Guest45739> Unit193,  did you read me before?
[01:33] <xubuntu939> i can see here /dev/sda1 ntfs
[01:34] <Unit193> Trying to mount? ntfs-3g for NTFS.
[01:34] <xubuntu939> no no
[01:34] <xubuntu939> i have a free space here
[01:34] <xubuntu939> 100gb
[01:34] <xubuntu939> but i dont know how to partition say like / or swap or /home etc
[01:35] <Unit193> It should do it for you just fine.
[01:36] <xubuntu939> how can i use gparted if i havent installed xubuntu yet?
[01:36] <Unit193> < Unit193> The installer should generally give you an option.     The installer should let you "use largest unused space"
[01:37] <xubuntu939> so if i let the installer do it for me.. it wont touch any ntfs drives?
[01:39] <xubuntu939> ?
[01:40] <Unit193> Unless you check the wrong one, otherwise it'll be fine.  It's always recommended you to backup the NTFS one.
[05:48] <mekazu> is it possible to get unity running on xubuntu? I find xubuntu doesn't have any great ways of swapping between windows when there are lots
[05:48] <mekazu> it's a bit too windows xp and not enough osx entourage
[05:49] <mekazu> I'm not sure if unity is the solution, but it would be worth trying I guess
[05:50] <chelz> mekazu: a lot of what powers unity is compiz, you might be fine just with a tweaked compiz
[05:51] <chelz> personally i prefer the 'windows xp' style stuff and all this stuff adding docks and weird exposé stuff is laggy
[07:46] <SandJ> mekazu - if you want unity, why run Xubuntu?  For me the point of moving from Ubuntu to Xubuntu was to escape from unity.
[08:45] <nbjensen> Hi all. Is there any way I can change thunars standard open behavior for shell scripts without a file extension such as configure?
[09:49] <AndreeeCZ> hi, I am running 12.04 on aspire one, and when i run on battery, wifi doesn't work. What could be the problem? Thx
[10:55] <recon69_lap> hi, cant seem to get any sound from web radio stations?
[10:57] <recon69_lap> never mind. f'n earphugs where is, turn off main sound :(
[13:50] <Os_Maleus> AndreeeCZ: guess, You have to check the driver to the adapter that is built into the machine.
[13:51] <Os_Maleus> lspci should give You some hint for that.
[13:51] <Os_Maleus> what does 'ifconfig' tell to You?
[13:52] <Os_Maleus> do You find there something like "eth0"?
[13:53] <Os_Maleus> or "eth1"?
[14:04] <xubuntu898> hi there
[14:09] <drc> hello
[14:14] <xubuntu233> algum brasileiro aki?
[14:14] <xubuntu233> hello
[14:15] <drc> hello
[14:16] <xubuntu233> do you speak portuguese?
[14:16] <drc> no
[14:17] <drc> !br
[14:17] <drc> !pt
[14:17] <xubuntu233> ok ok tnks
[14:18] <drc> no problem
[14:43]  * drc was wondering why there was a ! br but no ! pt, even though ! br makes reference to #ubuntu-pt?
[14:47]  * GridCube thinks that maybe portuguese people goes to pt before, and brazillian people things there should be a br, instead of pt (being that there are 10.000.000 portuguese and 300.000.000 brazilians...)
[14:48] <drc> wow...Brazilians reproduce fast...last time i looked, there were ~190 million :)
[14:51] <GridCube> ups :P 194
[14:51] <GridCube> still thats 2000% more
[14:53] <drc> true
[15:00] <Artemis3> and there are more spanish speakers in latin american countries than the whole of spain, so where is our ubuntu-latam? ;)
[15:11] <bazhang> Artemis3, check the loco guide for possible channels, groups
[15:11] <bazhang> !loco | Artemis3
[17:13] <ball> In Xubuntu, is there a command I can type to identify the model number of each hard disk?
[17:13] <holstein> i would try the disk utility... though it might depend on the hardware
[17:14] <ball> holstein: let me see if I can find that
[17:15] <drc> Is disk utility included by default?
[17:16] <drc> I seem to remember having to add it....
[17:16] <Sysi> smartctl tells it, not installed by default
[17:16] <GridCube> sudo lshw
[17:18] <Hello_mr_man> Hello! Im having problems installing Xubuntu on an "Acer aspire One" (from USB) Screen freezes and flickers on Xubuntu loading bar, in both install and run-from-usb. Any help would be apprechiated
[17:19] <GridCube> Hello_mr_man, check your ISO integrity, against its md5, if its ok, i recommend you to use the alternate ISO
[17:19] <Hello_mr_man> how do i do that? (Im new to linux)
[17:19]  * ball tries smartctl
[17:19] <ball> GridCube: That gave useful info too, thanks for that.
[17:19] <GridCube> ball, use sudo lshw
[17:20] <GridCube> :)
[17:20] <Sysi> GridCube: but that gives *tons* of unuseful info about rest of hardware:P
[17:20] <GridCube> !md5 | Hello_mr_man
[17:21] <GridCube> Sysi, :P welp yeah
[17:21] <Sysi> if you downloaded via torrent, that's not really needed
[17:22] <Hello_mr_man> btw: i downloaded via torrent, and made USB with Universal-USB-Installer-<IP_ADDRESS>,
[17:22] <GridCube> if you torrented then you have the correct file
[17:23] <GridCube> mmm Hello_mr_man you can try using unetbootin
[17:23] <GridCube> it never failed me
[17:23] <Sysi> format the stick first (fat32)
[17:24] <Hello_mr_man> y i formated the stick using windows xp built-in
[17:24] <GridCube> Sysi, sudo lshw -class storage
[17:24] <Hello_mr_man> is unetbootin an alternative to Universal-USB-Installer?
[17:25] <GridCube> Hello_mr_man, never used that one, i always make my boot usb with unetbootin
[17:25] <ball> GridCube: That got it.  Thanks
[17:25] <Sysi> Hello_mr_man: I'd say other way round
[17:25] <ball> Interesting to see how much more information you get when you run that sudo root
[17:25] <Hello_mr_man> Thx guys! Ill try that, and get back to you
[17:30] <Hello_mr_man> btw: What differs between atandard and alternate xubuntu version?
[17:31] <Sysi> alternate is text-based installation (not really harder but different)
[17:31] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty
[17:31] <ball> Doesn't alternate also include ltsp?
[17:31] <Sysi> yeah
[17:31] <ball> I need to try that at some point.
[17:32] <Hello_mr_man> do i have to do something with the "space used to preserve files across reboots"option during ISO-shizzle?
[17:33] <Hello_mr_man> (in UNetbootin)
[17:35] <gordonjcp> Hello_mr_man: no
[17:35] <gordonjcp> not if you don't want to
[17:36] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty
[17:36] <gordonjcp> also, recent .iso images can just be dd'ed to a USB stick
[17:36] <gordonjcp> you don't need to muck about with unetbootin and put up with its crappy broken bootloader
[17:37] <Hello_mr_man> and is it okay to format USB using winXP?
[17:37] <Sysi> should be
[17:38] <Sysi> gordonjcp: I prefer that too, but for newcomer it's not really nice if you don't have linux yet and you need to fiddle with stick afterwards anyway
[17:41] <Hello_mr_man> on something else: Im installing this on a friends computer, and he has no clue about anything PC-related. Will he survive with xubuntu?
[17:42] <drc> gordonjcp: On the other hand, I like to take my boot-USB's and make a partition for the ISO, and another that contains all the config files and such I need for a new install.
[17:42] <drc> Everything but Big Data on one stick.
[17:43] <cypher-neo> Hello_mr_man, If he has no clue, he won't know the difference. ;)
[17:44] <Sysi> not (much) worse than with any other OS
[17:44] <drc> unless he suddenly wants to play skyrim :(
[17:45] <Sysi> or watch silverlight videos
[17:45] <Hello_mr_man> hahaha
[17:45] <Hello_mr_man> Is the ubuntu distr supporting flash?
[17:45] <Sysi> adobe flash is available
[17:46] <Hello_mr_man> good
[17:47] <Hello_mr_man> dammit, i got the same flickering during installation load with unetbootin
[17:47] <Hello_mr_man> does it use vga in installation?
[17:48] <Hello_mr_man> i think the internal gpu may be damaged
[17:49] <GridCube> use the alternate iso
[17:50] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[17:55] <Hello_mr_man> does it have same functionality after installation?
[17:56] <Sysi> yup
[18:10] <Hello_mr_man> should i make the xubuntu Alternate USB using UNetbootin? (im noob)
[18:11] <GridCube> yes
[18:11] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[18:21] <Hello_mr_man> Is it possible to run antivirus from linuxbootable usb, that detects windows viruses on hd?
[18:22] <Unit193> That's the idea behind trinityTRK.
[18:22] <Hello_mr_man> ill check it out
[18:24] <Hello_mr_man> ty, that one seemed great
[18:28] <Hello_mr_man> can i use unetbooting to make bootable trinityTRK usb?
[18:30] <Hello_mr_man> np, there was a noobfriendly exefile there :P
[18:38] <Hello_mr_man> Question (While im waiting for installation): What can xubuntu not do, that ubuntu can?
[18:40] <holstein> Hello_mr_man: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:40] <holstein> main ubuntu doesnt come with XFCE.. thats what xubuntu has...
[18:40] <Hello_mr_man> so the interface is the only difference?
[18:40] <Unit193> Interface, defauolt programs and settings, nothing else really.
[18:40] <holstein> Hello_mr_man: the default configuration... correct.. not just the interface..
[18:41] <Hello_mr_man> ok ty guys!
[18:42] <Hello_mr_man> do you have some noobfriendly programs to recommend?
[18:42] <holstein> nope... some advice
[18:42] <Hello_mr_man> media/browsing etc
[18:42] <holstein> keep it simple.. use the defaults... test things on the live CD, and in the guest account, or in another user account
[18:43] <Hello_mr_man> ok
[18:45] <mr_man> (im installing xubuntu alternate now) What is LVM?  (in the partition options)
[18:46] <mr_man> "use entire disk and set up LVM" - what is LVM?
[18:47] <drc> Little Vert Men ?
[18:47] <mr_man> really?
[18:47] <mr_man> strange option
[18:47] <drc> no...joke
[18:47] <mr_man> :P
[18:47] <Unit193> You shouldn't need it if you don't know it. :P
[18:47] <Unit193> Basically.
[18:47] <mr_man> haha
[18:47] <mr_man> ok
[18:47] <ball> Logical Voume Manager, at a guess
[18:47] <mr_man> ty
[18:47] <ball> (disk pooling?)
[18:47] <drc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[18:48] <ball> Volume*
[18:48] <Unit193> !lvm |this too
[18:49] <mr_man> damn i love open source community! Creds to all of you! <3 <3 <3
[18:50] <ball> I love pie.
[18:50] <mr_man> pie also
[18:50] <drc> mmmm....bacon pie
[18:51] <mr_man> blueberry*
[18:51] <ball> Pecan Pie
[18:52] <Unit193> Pumpkin Pie, all the way.  Anywho, LVM is useful if you want to encrypt your drive too.
[18:53] <mr_man> ok ty, that wont be a problem, i guess this computer will be for strictly youtube/porn-purposes
[18:53] <mr_man> :P
[18:53] <gordonjcp> chicken and mushroom pie
[18:53] <ball> Pumpkin pie is a close second to Pecan pie in my experience.
[18:53]  * ball doesn't eat chickens
[18:53] <gordonjcp> and you generally don't want disk encryption
[18:54] <mr_man> i dont think we have these pies in norway
[18:54] <gordonjcp> disks are slow enough as it is
[18:54] <mr_man> y
[18:55]  * ball wonders what a cloudberry pie would taste like
[18:58]  * drc wonders how one encrypts a chicken and mushroom pie?
[18:59] <ball> I could certainly render a mushroom pie unreadable.
[18:59] <ball> ...good luck getting it back though.
[19:00] <ball> mr_man: Where do you live?
[19:00] <mr_man> norway, bergen
[19:01] <mr_man> ball: you could perhaps uncompress it after gutteral decryption? (this is my first go at linux-humor)
[19:01]  * ball chuckles
[19:01] <mr_man> yay! success!
[19:02] <Sysi> /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:02] <mr_man> roger
[19:05] <mr_man> during installation i get this: "installation step failed: 'select and install software'"
[19:05] <mr_man> what to do?
[19:05] <mr_man> skip?
[19:06] <crond> mr_man, you using USB stick install or CD?
[19:07] <mr_man> usb
[19:07] <crond> cause that happens when the USB is written badly.
[19:07] <mr_man> its after the "automatic updates" option
[19:07] <mr_man> aah
[19:07] <crond> I've had it occur more than once
[19:08] <mr_man> i used unetbootin in windows
[19:08] <crond> just wipe it and try again.  I've had success with http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[19:08] <crond> instead of unetbootin
[19:08] <mr_man> ok
[19:08] <mr_man> ty alot
[19:08] <GridCube> mr_man, i think your pendrive is faulty
[19:08] <bluesabre> +1 for LiLi
[19:09] <mr_man> how come?
[19:09] <crond> mr_man, worst case you CAN boot into the system if it fails on that part if you write grub to the MBR, and then manually edit your sources.list in vi, and then apt-get update and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:09] <mr_man> can i test this somehow?
[19:09] <crond> not that I've ever had that happen... lol
[19:09] <crond> mr_man, USB may be fine, I've had the same issue, re-written the USB, and then had it work.
[19:10] <mr_man> ill try that first then
[19:12] <mr_man> i read somewhere that the windows fat32 format sometimes was faulty, could this be it?
[19:13] <bluesabre> A full (not quick) fat32 format with windows might take care of things
[19:13] <bluesabre> or if it errors out, it would alert you to faultiness of the USB
[19:14] <mr_man> no errors, no quic format - it should be ok?
[19:14] <bluesabre> Ideally :)
[19:14] <mr_man> wow! All dis gui!!! i dont even!! (LiLi USB creator)
[19:14] <bluesabre> haha
[19:15] <crond> mr_man, haha yeah
[19:15] <bluesabre> and if you look really hard, you'll see the usb symbol in the background.  Probably took me a year before I noticed it
[19:15] <bluesabre> (if you more observant, it probably is more obvious)
[19:16] <mr_man> hehe
[19:18] <mr_man> in LiLi: "not on compability list"
[19:19] <mr_man> is this ok?
[19:20] <GridCube> no idea
[19:21] <bluesabre> Should be fine.  It will use the generic syslinux settings, and you'll boot to the xubuntu desktop instead of the install or desktop menu
[19:21] <mr_man> i just went ahead using "regular linux "
[19:21] <bluesabre> But the Install Xubuntu will still be on the desktop
[19:21] <bluesabre> That should be fine
[19:25] <mr_man> does any hardware usually need drivers install after completed installation?
[19:26] <Sysi> graphics cards may do
[19:26] <mr_man> ok
[19:27] <mr_man> in that case, where do i find the correct drivers?
[19:27] <mr_man> its an integrated gpu
[19:29] <mr_man> another question: Is there a way to check the usb integrity etc?
[19:29] <mr_man> after making it using LiLi?
[19:29] <crond> mr_man, intel integrated?
[19:29] <crond> you won't need drivers for that
[19:29] <mr_man> i think its amd
[19:30] <mr_man> 2 sec
[19:30] <crond> amd you'll by default use the open source radeon driver
[19:30] <crond> you can then install catalyst (fglrx) later if you like
[19:30] <mr_man> no its intel atom something
[19:30] <crond> ok then intel gma, no drivers needed
[19:30] <mr_man> nice
[19:30] <mr_man> ty
[19:30] <crond> they're 'built in'.
[19:30] <crond> np
[19:31] <mr_man> but do you know if i can check if my USBstick is faulty somehow?
[19:33] <mr_man> or damaged or something
[19:50] <mr_man> can i choose not to use internet during installation, and only use files from iso?
[19:53] <mr_man> new question: If my previous installation failed, could the leftover files interrupt the new installation?
[19:53] <drc> mr_man: are you formating the partition(s) each time you (re)install?
[19:54] <mr_man> y
[19:54] <drc> if yes, then no
[19:54] <mr_man> ok ty
[19:55] <mr_man> hfhusiafhuishuaif
[19:55] <mr_man> installation step failed - again
[19:55] <mr_man> at the same plave
[19:55] <mr_man> place*
[19:55] <mr_man> "select and install software"
[19:55] <mr_man> any ideas?
[19:55] <drc> what step was that (again)?
[19:56] <mr_man> "select and install software" didnt see exactly what setup was doing at the time
[19:57] <mr_man> it was just after installing language pack i think
[19:57] <drc> Could it have been at the install grub step?  I have seen it fail at that step for me if I'm not careful when I tell it to install the grub (which is earlier in the process)
[19:57] <mr_man> "the grub"?
[19:58] <mr_man> no it was before the "GRUB" option
[19:58] <mr_man> after "configure the package manager"
[19:58] <drc> ok...any chance you can use a cd ? :)
[19:59] <mr_man> no it doesnt have cd rom, and i havnt got any external to use
[20:00] <mr_man> and its an small laptop(netbook?), so i dont think i could easily install using the HD in another pc
[20:01] <mr_man> any ideas??
[20:02] <drc> Ok, if it fails at exactly the same place...and the md5 check passes...and you're not geting any error on installing it to the USB...I admit to being completly baffeled.
[20:02] <mr_man> hehe
[20:02] <mr_man> all above is true
[20:02] <mr_man> i havent done md5 check, but uset torrent to dl
[20:03] <drc> It's going to turn out to be one of those times that if one was there seeing <everything> it wuld be obvious :)
[20:03] <mr_man> yeah probably :P
[20:03] <mr_man> should i try skipping the step?
[20:03] <mr_man> got nothing to lose:P
[20:05] <mr_man> do you know what the "select and install" step actually does?
[20:05] <mr_man> the "base system" is installed
[20:05] <mr_man> so
[20:05] <mr_man> what software is it installing?
[20:06] <mr_man> no one?
[20:07] <mr_man> ill try again, and try to see exactly where it goes wrong
[20:08] <mr_man> it is after "running tasksel..." on the "please wait" on 85%
[20:08] <mr_man> does this help?
[20:09] <drc> mr_man: This is over my pay grade :(
[20:09] <mr_man> hehe
[20:09] <holstein> mr_man: you dont have to select and install anything there
[20:09] <mr_man> can i just skip it?
[20:09] <holstein> its all available after you install... it will install whatever you select from there
[20:10] <mr_man> wow
[20:10] <mr_man> great!
[20:10] <genma> hey, im trying to save some data with ntfsundelete, but I need to unmount /dev/sda2, whats the propepr way to do so sudu unmount dindt work
[20:10] <holstein> mr_man: you can do as you please... i skip it
[20:10] <mr_man> ill try it, thanks!
[20:10] <drc> mr_man: was this using the alternate version?
[20:12] <mr_man> yes
[20:12] <drc> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
[20:12] <mr_man> hehehe
[20:13] <mr_man> have the bafflement been uncalled for?
[20:13] <mr_man> has*
[20:13] <drc> not really, i have only used it once (quite a while ago)...but some things make sense now.
[20:13] <mr_man> hehe ok
[20:14] <mr_man> problem: The computer is going crazy here!
[20:14] <mr_man> starting/stopping something so fast i cant see what its doing
[20:15] <mr_man> something: "/2478414 blocks" and "daemon"
[20:15] <mr_man> total crazy
[20:16] <mr_man> Starting System (something i cant see)      [ OK ]
[20:16] <mr_man> been going like that for a couple of minutes
[20:17] <mr_man> i think this computer is having some serious problems
[20:18] <Sysi> genma: sudo umount
[20:18] <holstein> mr_man: i would test the hardware if you think something is wrong... i would try and see the desktop with one of the live CD's as a test, to see how the hardware is supported
[20:18] <mr_man> ok
[20:18] <mr_man> ill do that
[20:18] <mr_man> could it be some kinda kernel/ram virus or something?
[20:19] <holstein> mr_man: not sure what that means.. it could be a bad iso, could be bad hardware, could be bad hardware support
[20:20] <mr_man> hehe me neither, ill try the live versions out
[20:20] <holstein> if you are asking if the image you downloaded is infected with a virus, then if you downloaded it from the official channels, then no
[20:21] <holstein> mr_man: one good generel thing to keep in mind is that these images are tested, and do work for lots of folks on as many hardware cases as possible, out of the box
[20:21] <rarog70> привет!
[20:23] <Unit193> !ru | rarog70
[20:25] <mr_man> is it possible the dl got corrupt, even if DL via torrent?
[20:26] <holstein> !md5 | mr_man
[20:27] <holstein> just verify the iso, then you'll know :)
[20:27] <recon69_lap> mr_man: what are your computers specs, the CD can self test, there is an boot option
[20:27] <Sysi> torrent does md5(-like) checksum by itself
[20:28] <mr_man> ill selftest the new iso, ill check hardware specs now
[20:28] <recon69_lap> mr_man: it's strange for a install to fail if a live cd works
[20:29] <recon69_lap> mr_man: a badly written CD is most likely cause.
[20:31] <mr_man> yes, ive tried 3 times using: LinuxLive USB Creator 2.8.12 , unetbootin-windows-575 , and a third i dont remember, without getting any errors
[20:32] <recon69_lap> mr_man: can you boot any of the cd's to a live session without installing?
[20:32] <mr_man> i only tried that the first time using the desktop version, but that didnt work. But that was using a iso2usb that was supposed to be bad for xubuntu
[20:34] <recon69_lap> mr_man first thing is to get a live session going, you can install from that. so do the cd self check, and then boot to a live session. let us know if you get stuck anywhere
[20:35] <mr_man> ok thanks, do i need the desktop version for that, or can i use the alternate
[20:35] <mr_man> ?
[20:36] <recon69_lap> mr_man: you are booting from a CD to a live session. you need very little
[20:36] <drc> recon69_lap: no cd...it's a usb
[20:37] <recon69_lap> mr_man: the alt CD installs without a graphical user interface, avoiding some memory/grapical/net issues. not a solution for most people
[20:40] <recon69_lap> mr_man: you alive? you using a CD or a USB?
[20:41] <mr_man> hehe sorry, USB
[20:41] <mr_man> PC is a netbook
[20:41] <mr_man> which i cant find specs for online
[20:41] <mr_man> acer aspire one ZG5
[20:41] <recon69_lap> can you boot menu from the usb?
[20:42] <recon69_lap> can you get the boot menu from the USB
[20:42] <mr_man> y
[20:43] <mr_man> im creating new USB now using LiLi
[20:47] <recon69_lap> mr_man: seem to meet min specs
[20:47] <mr_man> where did u find specs?
[20:47] <mr_man> (its a friends computer)
[20:47] <recon69_lap> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200905-2911/
[20:48] <mr_man> nice
[20:48] <mr_man> ty
[20:49] <recon69_lap> mr_man: min specs on wikipedia where move than min specs for usb install
[20:49] <mr_man> ?
[20:54] <recon69_lap> mr_man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One , smallest one has 512mb, which is bigger that 256mb http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[20:54] <mr_man> ok
[20:54] <mr_man> ty
[20:55] <mr_man> but regardding HW support, i only know its a poor intel atom processor, and integrated GPU, but this should be ok?
[20:57] <recon69_lap> mr_man: really need proper make/model number to have any hope of checking. it should work, easy way of checking is wilt a live USB.
[20:58] <mr_man> y ill try that now, when LiLi is finished doing its magic
[20:58] <crond> mr_man, it'll work just fine.
[20:58] <holstein> intel is typically well supported out of the box... works great on my asus EEE pc's
[20:59] <mr_man> thats actually bad news, since i suspect this pc may have some HWissues
[20:59] <mr_man> :P
[20:59] <mr_man> one thing i didnt understand: does the alternate version not support live from USB?
[21:00] <recon69_lap> mr_man: been ages since i used a alt cd, was from the bad old days of having to set up your own video driver.
[21:00] <mr_man> hehe
[21:00] <mr_man> hardcore!
[21:04] <mr_man> the USB now failed the MD5 checksum verification
[21:04] <mr_man> hmmmmz
[21:05] <mr_man> does it matter what file it was that failed?
[21:06] <mr_man> it says that its "checking CD-ROM integrity" , i am using USB...
[21:06] <mr_man> does this mean anything?
[21:07] <recon69_lap> mr_man: well, not looking great. you can try boot to the live session see if it works.
[21:08] <xubuntu947> Hola, hola...
[21:08] <recon69_lap> mr_man: Let me check with my USB live, be back in a bit :)
[21:08] <mr_man> k
[21:08] <xubuntu947> I have a question...
[21:08] <recon69_lap> mr_man: also check the MD5 checksum of the ISO you downloaded
[21:09] <xubuntu947> I have problems getting sound though the HDMI to the tv.
[21:11] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: can be a challenge :)
[21:11] <mr_man> btw: is the LiLi USB Creator okay to use with xubuntu?
[21:12] <xubuntu947> Through.
[21:12] <xubuntu947> I have research but no solutions found :(
[21:14] <xubuntu947> Actually my laptop Toshiba crashed trying to fox the smurf effect in YouTube.
[21:14] <xubuntu947> Fix, sorry.
[21:14] <xubuntu947> The people appear blue-skin.
[21:15] <xubuntu947> Then I had to reinstall Ubuntu but now I have Xubuntu.
[21:15] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: well, I used to have to change the sound hardware device in 10.04, not sure about xubuntu though, have not used HDMI yet
[21:16] <xubuntu947> I think it is controlled by the Nvidia card.
[21:16] <xubuntu947> My laptop has a 8700 GT.
[21:18] <xubuntu947> I am not sure if Nvidia controls it or anocther program but I am having the same issue with Xubuntu and previously with Ubuntu 12.04.
[21:18] <recon69_lap> god usb is slow
[21:19] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: and have you look at sound settings ?
[21:20] <xubuntu947> Yes. When I select HDMI as the device for output nothing sounds.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> I just can see the image on the tv and that's it.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> With windows it works.
[21:20] <xubuntu947> I have vista as another OS.
[21:21] <xubuntu947> In this same laptop.
[21:21] <xubuntu947> It is a Toshiba.
[21:22] <xubuntu947> I have also tried with the alsa directory but I cannot get in to it.
[21:22] <xubuntu947> The command says it does not exists but I can see it listed.
[21:22] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: have you tried all the option in "configuration" ? like "Digital Stereo output(IEC958)"
[21:23] <recon69_lap> mr_man: dont know about LiLi USB creator , have not used windows since the bad days :)
[21:24] <xubuntu947> I have tried all though... Even when I know it does not work since the sound and video does through HDMI output.
[21:24] <xubuntu947> Goes...
[21:27] <mr_man> Okay! The md5 checksum was ok, and i can run it live from USB. Should i install from the live OS, or from boot?
[21:27] <recon69_lap> xubuntu947: can only say "huu?" to that
[21:30] <recon69_lap> mr_man: not likely to make a difference which way you start it, the usb appears to have errors. you could try it and hope it completes. I'l looking for a good set of "how to create a ubuntu usb stick from windows"
[21:31] <recon69_lap> mr_man: this one seems good http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[21:31] <mr_man> thanks
[21:31] <mr_man> ill check it
[21:33] <nimei> mr_man: also: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[21:33] <recon69_lap> mr_man: a USB stick should report no errors when "check CD" is run, I just checked
[21:33] <nimei> (I've had better experiences using that to copy isos to usb disks)
[21:34] <mr_man> thanks alot recon69 and nimei!
[21:36] <mr_man> ive been stuck with problems now for about 6 hours, and ive gotten a LOT of help here! Ive also learned a lot, so thanks to all of you! Its greatly apprechiated
[21:37] <mr_man> the "check cd for defects" was succesful now, so im close! SO CLOSE
[21:38] <recon69_lap> mr_man: no problem, sounds like you on the way now :)
[21:39] <recon69_lap> mr_man: but there really should be a make/model stamped/stuck on that netbook :)
[21:42] <mr_man> yes all stickers have been ripped off :P
[21:42] <mr_man> serialnumber too
[21:42] <mr_man> hehe
[21:42] <mr_man> maybe its stolen?
[21:46] <recon69_lap> mr_man: I'm indulging in apple tart,fresh cream with a bit of sugar :)
[21:46] <mr_man> hahaha
[21:46] <mr_man> great! sounds sweet
[21:46] <mr_man> i have to go for a kebab, since all stores are now closed
[21:46] <mr_man> :/
[21:48] <mr_man> btw: home made apple tart?
[21:48] <recon69_lap> have not have a good kebab in years
[21:48] <recon69_lap> lol, home made from the supermarket :)
[21:49] <mr_man> hehe, i hear the supermarket is great at making appletart
[21:55] <recon69_lap> mr_man: did it install?
[21:57] <mr_man> its working on it now, looks very good so far
[21:57] <rahul_> hey i am running ubntu 9.04 on atom, samsung netbook,  whats the best thing to do? *upgrade?/xubuntu?/what*
[21:57] <mr_man> and while it installs, i won a pokertourney ive been playing the last 3 hours, so things are now  looking great :P
[21:58] <rahul_> how do i get xubuntu on 9.04?
[22:00] <recon69_lap> rahul_: might be a good time to upgrade, 9.04 out of support , 12.04 works well for me with few issues, not a fan of unity thats why I'm here
[22:01] <ball> What's the binary name for the "Users Settings" utility?
[22:01] <Unit193> users-admin
[22:01] <ball> Thanks, I'll try that.
[22:02] <ball> Hopefully it'll let me add a user now.
[22:04] <rahul_> thanks.. but.. any ideaif i can update the os without pendrives and iso files?
[22:05] <rahul_> thanks.. but.. any ideaif i can update the os without pendrives and iso files? <recon69>
[22:05] <Unit193> From 9.04? That'd be a ton of upgrades...
[22:06] <knome> 9.04 is EOL
[22:06] <rahul_> oh.. shd i get xubuntu then.. cuz its an atom netbook.. (?)
[22:06] <Unit193> Actuallly, if you go from 9.04 > 9.10 > 10.04, you may be able to jump from that to 12, no?
[22:06] <Unit193> knome: you're op'd
[22:06] <knome> Unit193, who?
[22:06] <knome> :]
[22:07] <recon69_lap> Unit193: well, your choice. I keep a separate partition for user directories and reinstall every LTS
[22:07] <Unit193> Weird, I thought I saw someone.... Guess not.
[22:07] <knome> Unit193... 9.04 is EOL, so i don't think upgrades work
[22:07] <Unit193> Ah, then nevermind.
[22:07] <Unit193> recon69_lap: Last upgrade (11.10 > 12.04) actually was rather good.
[22:08] <recon69_lap> Unit193: would not know :) 10.04 -> 12.04, and still a bit in shock :)
[22:09] <drc> 'buntu upgrades are like windows releases...every other one works :)
[22:10] <rahul_> gettin 12.04 rightawaythen.. and moreover i have no data to loose.. :) the internet dongle shd work on it  right?
[22:12] <recon69_lap> loved Lucid Lynx , hopefully precise pangolin will be as good, but unity was just awful for me
[22:12] <knome> guys... #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:13] <recon69_lap> rahul_: you will probably need passwords for network and such
[22:23] <uskerine> hi, i would like to apply a similar theme to ambience in xubuntu (like in http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+&+Radiance+Themes+for+Xfce+LXDE?content=146674&PHPSESSID=ac42d45dfad2eef8194ae3e90b36755e). I download and install both colors and themes for my version but I get the window decoration still in light grey instead of dark gray, any ideas or other website suggested?
[22:25] <mr_man> no no no no no.... :( After a "succesful installation" the OS wont launch... Ill try again!
[22:26] <recon69_lap> mr_man: not much point, what happens, wont launch not much help
[22:26] <mr_man> aaarghs
[22:27] <mr_man> i dont get it. Live worked, and innstallation seemed to work
[22:27] <recon69_lap> reminds mr_man https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[22:28] <recon69_lap> the error or a description of what happened would help though !!!!
[22:29] <mr_man> only a blinking -
[22:29] <recon69_lap> mr_man: did you remove the USB?
[22:29] <mr_man> yes
[22:30] <mr_man> was that amistake?
[22:30] <recon69_lap> no, just checking the obvious first.
[22:30] <mr_man> hehe ok phew
[22:32] <recon69_lap> ok, boot back using the usb so we can see what on the netbook hdd
[22:33] <mr_man> y
[22:34] <recon69_lap> y?
[22:35] <mr_man> ill try the "recovery menu" first
[22:37] <mr_man> when loading memorystick i now get the GNU GRUB menu
[22:37] <mr_man> hmm
[22:38] <mr_man> have i managed to install the OS on the USB!?!? haha!
[22:38] <mr_man> what?
[22:38] <mr_man> no
[22:38] <mr_man> cant be
[22:38] <mr_man> 2 sec