[01:28] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ping
[01:30] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: who do I talk to about going to the BSP?
[01:33] <valorie> the BSP?
[01:34] <valorie> also, it's 3:30am in Barcelona, where Riddell is
[01:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea bug spashing party
[01:36] <valorie> oh, cool idea
[01:36] <valorie> did you see that the beta needs testing?
[01:38] <valorie> the laptop I can use for that is currently out of rotation, until networking is fixx0red
[01:38] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm on ubuntu+1 right now using it for my ubuntu touch development though
[01:39] <ahoneybun> every idea is cool but without funding I can go nowhere
[01:40] <valorie> that lappy was working pretty well on utopic until an update killed networking
[01:40] <valorie> when sgclark gets better, she's gonna help me fix it
[01:41]  * ahoneybun fly out of denny;
[03:41] <jussi01> o/
[06:21] <soee> good morning
[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:46] <Riddell> hi sgclark
[09:07] <apachelogger> kdelibs git doesn't build for me -.-
[09:18] <Mamarok> why do the debian bugs have no link to the bug in the bugs ML, that is so not helpful :(
[09:18] <apachelogger> what's that?
[09:18] <Mamarok> any waxy to call for a debian bug in here?
[09:19] <Riddell> debian bug 1234
[09:19] <Mamarok> apachelogger: this list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>they give just the bug number, but no link to the bugtracker per se
[09:19] <apachelogger> well
[09:19] <apachelogger> the debian bug tracker is a glorified bug mailing list
[09:19] <Mamarok> debain bug 762577
[09:19] <Mamarok> debian bug 762577
[09:20] <apachelogger> the web ui really is just a mailing list ui of sorts ^^
[09:20] <Mamarok> gosh how stupid
[09:21] <apachelogger> there's a web shortcut you can enable for krunner btw
[09:23] <Mamarok> they use bugzilla, don't they? so why does one not just end up in the bugzilla interface?
[09:23] <Riddell> no they don't
[09:24] <Mamarok> oh, what else do they use?
[09:24] <Riddell> their bug tracker existed long before bugzilla, kde used to use it back in the day, it's a glorified e-mail list
[09:24] <Riddell> made back when people thought e-mail was a sane user interface to anything
[09:24] <Mamarok> *headdesk*
[09:25] <Mamarok> oh well, Debian, just remind me why I switched to Kubuntu back then :)
[10:39] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5kjs-dev: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/kjs5
[10:39] <apachelogger> are we sure kjs belongs into a dev package?
[10:39] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark ^
[10:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah I asked richard moore
[10:58] <apachelogger> ok
[11:21] <xor-freenet> hey folks... i got a kubuntu 14.04 amd64 machine which won't show security updates... it show the updates but they are NOT marked as security... the people in the bugtracker seem to ignore the issue, maybe you can help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1370416
[11:23] <xor-freenet> i have been delaying the updates for a week now so i can help with debugging, but i do actually need the machine for work, so i would like the debugging to get finished ASAP so i can take the machine back into production... my patience will probably end today :|
[11:30] <mitya57> Riddell, want to sponsor lintian? http://people.ubuntu.com/~mitya57/lintian_2.5.27ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:31] <mitya57> Just tested and it builds
[12:01] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5declarative5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop
[12:01] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5declarative5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package qml-module-org-kde-kcoreaddons
[12:01] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5declarative5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons
[12:01] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5declarative5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols
[12:01] <apachelogger> KCI-W :: W: libkf5declarative5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package qml-module-org-kde-kio
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: :'<
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <sgclark> hi Riddell: sorry fell asleep again, starting to feel better though.
[13:31] <apachelogger> sgclark: still jet lagging?
[13:31] <sgclark> nah , picked up a nasty cold. weather change I think
[13:32] <apachelogger> ah, get well soon
[13:33] <sgclark> ty
[14:47] <smz> hi guys !
[14:47] <smz> iddell:  any plans to have kde 4.14 on precise ?
[14:48] <smz> Riddell: Any plans to have kde 4.14 on precise ?
[22:12] <tsdgeos> sgclark: do you think you could hang out at #kde-devel ?
[22:16] <tsdgeos> tx
[22:16] <sgclark> tsdgeos: of course added


[00:05] <robotfuel> RAOF: I'll add a apt-get install -f, this is what it's doing https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/+junk/mir-medium-test-runner-for-jenkins/view/head:/mir_install_packages.sh
[00:06] <RAOF> Aah.
[00:07] <RAOF> I think you'll be able to remove the “for DEB in ...” loop.
[00:07] <RAOF> That appears to be there to resolve package dependencies, yes?
[00:07] <robotfuel> RAOF: yes
[00:08] <RAOF> Yeah. Just running “apt-get -f install” after the dpkg run should do it, and will pick up newly-added dependencies to boot.
[00:18] <robotfuel> RAOF: testing an update now.
[00:30] <robotfuel> it looks like I need to use  || true on the dpkg -i part, it doesn't continue to the apt-get -f install.
[00:35] <RAOF> Ah, yeah. That's right.
[00:39] <kdub> rsalveti, probably too late to get a jump on the hwc 1.2 task today, but did that 4.4 image ever become available?
[01:42] <RAOF> Woot.
[01:42] <RAOF> Rootless working, finally.
[01:46] <duflu_> Woo
[01:48] <RAOF> Although for values of *working* that don't include non-origin window positioning or resizing.
[01:48] <RAOF> Or, really, any window management.
[01:48] <RAOF> Obivously.
[01:56] <RAOF> To the Shellinator!
[02:04] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah I already knew what it can't yet do. But still, cool!
[02:11] <RAOF> Oh, this is why Mir has to spawn the X server...
[02:42] <robotfuel> RAOF: the depends has been fixed on mako
[03:00] <duflu> RAOF: The non-origin input issues are filed under: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bugs?field.tag=input
[03:01] <RAOF> robotfuel: Thanks muchly!
[03:25] <rsalveti> kdub: sorry, was having dinner while the image was being uploaded
[03:26] <rsalveti> got a quite slow upload channel, but got the images at http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/aosp/
[03:27] <rsalveti> you need to flash root, system, boot into recovery, and flash http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[04:24] <DalekSec> duflu: For bug 1212753, it may be "related" to bug 1173649.  Had that problem myself, but didn't change xorg.conf on the live system to test it (causes other issues as well, so did on installed system.)
[04:35] <duflu> DalekSec: When I tested an i810 (Pentium 3) system I noticed the same, Very interesting that you say being limited to 16-bit colour is a bug
[04:35] <duflu> It might be coming from the kernel in that case
[04:37] <DalekSec> While I didn't say it was a bug, it's not a good default as it causes other programs to have issues.  It's not being set to 15 from the kernel, it's in the intel driver.  (As stated by the dev in the report.)
[04:39] <DalekSec> (I have a P4 with integrated.)
[04:46] <duflu> DalekSec: My point was that we see common behavior between Mir and X, and their closest common factor is the kernel
[04:46] <duflu> (intel driver)
[04:46] <DalekSec> Ah, right.
[05:30] <duflu> Heh. ickly is being profoundly helpful as usual... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649/comments/44
[05:31] <duflu> *ickle
[06:06] <duflu> Welcome to summer :)
[07:45] <kgunn> duflu: so, to promote 0.1.4 dev to trusty, just need to tag the latest rev & then mp dev branch to trusty...
[07:46] <kgunn> noticed we slightly changed...right? now we rely on the tag
[07:47] <kgunn> oh...already tagged i see
[07:55] <duflu> kgunn: Correct. The tag is right
[07:57] <duflu> I thought greyback et al might be keen to get the flicker/snapshot fix
[07:58] <greyback> duflu: yep, we were
[07:58] <duflu> were? are? :)
[07:58] <greyback> nah, not any more :P
[07:59] <duflu> Oh well. 0.1.4 was plenty big enough to justify a release anyway. And we were 3.5 weeks past v0.1.3
[08:00]  * greyback saw the client RPC mechanism land, was happy
[08:03]  * duflu recalls willfully staying out of that discussion, so glad he ignored the MP come to think of it
[08:06] <anpok> duflu: whats your opinion on having background color a part of the scene and giving it to begin vs GLRenderer having a color in the constructor
[08:06] <duflu> anpok: I'm not sure it fits in the mir concept of Scene. Your current design I think is cleaner
[08:07] <duflu> It's a good stepping stone toward "how do we do custom GL in a bespoke shell?"
[08:12] <anpok> when i first started the change there was no begin/end in renderer but a clear instead..
[08:12] <anpok> so set_clear_color made some sense
[08:13] <duflu> anpok: Good point. I did intend for custom shells (like demo shell) to modify begin() in that case
[08:13] <duflu> Perhaps to inherit from GLRenderer and change it
[08:13] <anpok> so it looks a bit wierder now - and I wonder if moving to the GLRenderer constructor, and hence doing it udner the hood would be better
[08:13] <anpok> or that
[08:14] <anpok> duflu: I will change it to a struct .. but
[08:14] <anpok> just made a test .. the tuple emits less binary size than the struct
[08:14] <duflu> anpok: That's unusual, but still worth a struct
[08:15] <anpok> the difference is hard to notice, but the code looks of course better.
[08:16] <anpok> I nearly did it in the first place but felt bad about it since I had the feeling to provide more to it, to have a reason for adding a distinct structure...
[08:17] <duflu> typedefs can serve as documentation :)
[08:18] <anpok> is the opengl spec defining a default clear color?
[08:19] <duflu> anpok: Yes, but that includes alpha==0 (http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/)
[08:20] <duflu> I mean... http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glClearColor.xml
[08:20] <duflu> Whee, rotated displays minus distortion
[08:21] <duflu> Plus too many dependent branches
[08:22] <anpok> hm hardest problem is always coming up with a name
[08:22] <duflu> Fred
[08:22] <duflu> Bob
[08:22] <duflu> Gertrude
[08:27] <anpok> speeking of that, my wife came up with names for our kids
[08:29]  * anpok is just listening to http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Inheritance-Is-The-Base-Class-of-Evil
[08:35]  * duflu downloads it for later
[08:36] <anpok> that person gave a longer talk on the first day, much longer
[08:36] <anpok> and that one contains the motivation for that one..
[08:37] <anpok> .. next to other nice examples: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Cpp-Seasoning
[09:02] <kgunn> duflu: i feel stupid (no mgr jokes please :)...but shouldn't there be a way to propose this
[09:02] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/version-0.1.4/+merge/201134
[09:02] <kgunn> via launchpad button to trusty
[09:03] <duflu> kgunn: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/version-0.1.4/+register-merge
[09:03] <duflu> kgunn: Not sure if it will work though. Usually we merge dev into a child of lp:mir and then propose that
[09:03] <kgunn> duflu: thanks...dammit...just one level down
[09:03] <kgunn> duflu: ah...
[09:03] <kgunn> ok will do
[09:04] <duflu> Well merge dev (-rv0.1.4)
[09:04] <kgunn> duflu: exactly...
[09:04] <kgunn> has to the ver you tagged
[09:35] <alan_g> \o/ - talk accepted! http://accu.org/index.php/conferences/accu_conference_2014/accu2014_sessions#c_best_practice_-_designing_header_files
[09:38] <anpok> congratulations
[09:40] <kgunn> duflu: fyi...https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/promote-ver-0.1.4/+merge/201560
[09:49] <duflu> kgunn: OK, but instead of reviewing I'm running off to dinner :)
[09:50] <kgunn> duflu: enjoy....is happy birthday in order ?
[09:50] <duflu> kgunn: Thanks but I'd rather avoid the thought
[09:51] <kgunn> heh
[10:21] <alf_> alan_g: Congratulations! Is this talk related to an article of a similar name you have written (I think it was in overload?)?
[10:22] <alan_g> alf_: yes, that is the core
[10:29] <anpok> alan_g: hey, saw the TODO you had in your 2013 slides yesterday in code - when doing the other review - and thought about it..
[10:30] <anpok> with the compile time trie..
[10:30] <alan_g> anpok: I've been resisting that temptation a long time now. It isn't a worthwhile optimisation.
[10:33] <anpok> yeah it is more of an intersting riddle to solve with new c++ features than anything you notice as an improvement afterwards
[10:33] <anpok> apart from one TODO less.
[10:33] <alan_g> If you want something worthwhile, figure out why duflu added code to stop & start the compositor to unity-mir/DBusScreen::setScreenPowerMode() and do something less brutal. (c.f. https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/compositor-double-start-stop/+merge/201242)
[10:39] <didrocks> kgunn: hey!
[10:39] <didrocks> kgunn: we are about to start our "self service" release piloting by end of week, I wonder if the new Mir release will be a nice opportunity for that
[10:45] <anpok> alan_g: where did you see the change in unity-mir?
[10:45] <sil2100> That could be a good test of the process, as there are ABI breaks to handle
[10:46] <alan_g> anpok: bzr blame src/unity-mir/dbusscreen.cpp
[10:46] <anpok> ah not a new change
[10:47] <anpok> thought you were referring to new branch for unity-mir
[10:48] <alan_g> anpok: sorry no, a bit of lp archaeology called for
[10:48] <didrocks> sil2100: +1
[10:48] <didrocks> sil2100: and there is a client ABI break, so needs new xorg
[10:48] <mlankhorst> can it be hooked up to xorg 1.15? :P
[10:49] <didrocks> kgunn: I guess you forgot the xmir changes ^
[10:49] <didrocks> mlankhorst: it can if we go with the silo approach
[10:49] <didrocks> and if timelines matches
[10:49] <mlankhorst> well expecting it in 2 weeks
[10:49] <didrocks> ah, I think they will want it first though
[10:50] <didrocks> mlankhorst: I guess it's just a rebuild anyway, but let's see with them
[10:54] <mlankhorst> oh in that case just rebuild
[11:04] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ping
[11:04] <anpok> alan_g: hm yes duflu considered letting the display trigger the compositor to stop and start again
[11:05] <mlankhorst> RAOF: are you going to release xserver-xorg-video-ati ubuntu11 at some point? :P
[11:05] <anpok> but according to the bug ticket comments there was no decision and the fix was to add compositor stop / start on power mode changes
[11:06] <anpok> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-mir/+bug/1255045/comments/18
[11:08] <alan_g> anpok: I suspect our current problem is manifested if the power mode is set but isn't changing.
[11:08] <anpok> yes
[11:08] <anpok> powerd probably sending multiple ons
[11:08] <anpok> or whatever also chats about power modes
[11:08] <anpok> but doing more state tracking on unity-mir does not feel right
[11:10] <anpok> hm but for display configurations it already tracks wheter it would change the configuration
[11:14] <alan_g> unity-mir is stateful already, so that doesn't bother me
[11:14] <alan_g> but It seems extreme to be stopping the compositor
[11:15] <alan_g> Especially as, in principle, there could be outputs powered independently
[11:17] <anpok> is there a compositor instance per output?
[11:17] <alan_g> alf_: can you think of a more elegant approach to bug 1255045 than stop/start of the compositor? ^^
[11:17] <anpok> or is there one compositor for all?
[11:18] <anpok> ok
[11:18] <alan_g> one compositor to rule all the compositing threads
[11:19] <alan_g> (Which are currently serialized because of a broken model)
[11:19] <ogra_> note that there is also https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/dbus-screen-fix/+merge/201211
[11:20] <ogra_> (for nested mode, i just tested it on maguro)
[11:21] <alan_g> ogra_: thanks for the warning
[11:22] <alf_> alan_g: At the moment configure() recreates the DisplayBuffers, so the compositor needs to be stopped and restarted to read the new ones
[11:22] <ogra_> i actually think the hack from the session mir should be dropped for this, i doubt we will use it without u-s-c in the future
[11:22] <ogra_> (feels like duplication to leave it in place)
[11:23] <alf_> alan_g: so when changing just the power state we could retain the current displaybuffers => not start stop needed
[11:24] <anpok> alf_: do we need to inject some sort of screen-changed-please-redraw?
[11:26] <alan_g> alf_: so displayConfig->configure_output(..) => displayConfig->power_mode(newPowerMode)
[11:26] <alan_g> anpok: we shouldn't need it if we don't discard the buffer
[11:27] <anpok> which we do now because the buffers are recreated because the config change.. ok
[11:28] <anpok> alan_g: or more logic in configure_output to detect changes that just boil down to power changes?
[11:29] <alf_> alan_g: anpok: right, the work happens in Display::configure(), the DisplayConfiguration is just a container of information
[11:30] <alan_g> Ah yes.
[11:30] <alan_g> So display->power_mode(newPowerMode)
[11:31] <kgunn> didrocks: thanks for the catch...
[11:32] <anpok> alan_g: alf_: but on android it does not seem to do more right now - it actually just checks for power mode changes
[11:33] <alf_> anpok: on Mesa it doesn't though...
[11:33] <alf_> alan_g: anpok: Alternatively we could continue with start/stop, but hiding it from unity-mir. For example unity-mir could use the DisplayChanger class (or similar)
[11:34] <alan_g> alf_: +1 for hiding it from unity-mir and USC
[11:36] <anpok> alan_g: you refered to as broken because it create a thread for each display that then just sits and waits of a trigger, instead of using the pool we already have from asio..
[11:37] <anpok> alf_: you display conf change AND DisplayChanger? or something new?
[11:37] <anpok> +mean
[11:37] <alan_g> anpok: actually I was referring to the "lock the world, paint an output, unlock the world" bottleneck
[11:38] <alf_> alan_g: anpok: so unity-mir could use an interface like PowerManager (yes, we can probably find a better name) which is implemented by injecting code to {stop() configure() start()} into our main loop
[11:42] <anpok> alf_: why arent we doing that also for display configuration changes?
[11:42] <anpok|lunch> i mean the existing DisplayConfiguration::configure_output somethig
[11:43] <alf_> kgunn: On Nexus 10, glCopyTexSubImage2D is for some reason too slow when copying to a texture backed by an EGLImage. Interestingly it's fast when the texture is not backed by an EGLImage. I am looking into/measuring alternatives, like rendering to a texture (backed by the buffer we want to send to the client) first and rendering that to the screen, when we need to take a screenshot
[11:44] <alf_> anpok|lunch: I don't understand what you mean
[11:52] <alf_> kgunn: ideally we would want to use multiple render targets (drawing to multiple buffers at once), but that's not supported in ES 2.0
[11:53] <kgunn> alf_: right
[11:54] <kgunn> alf_: wonder if just a dma memcpy would be faster than farting around with glteximage calls
[11:57] <alf_> kgunn: Which API allows us to do that with GPU buffer data?
[11:57] <alf_> kgunn: does Android have something for this?
[11:58] <kgunn> alf_: if its system memory it shouldn't matter that it also happens to be mapped into for gpu use
[11:59] <kgunn> should it ?
[12:00] <alf_> kgunn: no, but that's true only for unified memory systems
[12:00] <kgunn> alf_: right...i am making assumptions
[12:01] <kgunn> i thot everything after old n7 was unified
[12:01] <alf_> kgunn: you are forgetting the desktop case ;)
[12:02] <alf_> kgunn: however it's not a bad assumption to make and that's the other alternative I was considering: doing it differently on android vs mesa (i.e. not depending necessarily on GL)
[12:03] <kgunn> alf_:yeah...on desktop cpu is fast enough
[12:03] <kgunn> alf_: and i think in general glteximage khronos spec iirc has some
[12:04] <alf_> kgunn: (but I need to wait for kdub to discuss what android offers us in terms of buffer copying)
[12:04] <kgunn> aspects to it, where it has to do some weird backstore preservation stuff
[12:04] <kgunn> that you're simply not interested in
[12:05] <kgunn> but...its part of the spec...and just slows it down
[12:12] <alf_> kgunn: @preservation, that gave me an idea...
[20:37] <rsalveti> kdub: were you able to flash 4.4?
[20:42] <kdub> rsalveti, i flashed it, didnt get the wifi to work though.
[20:42] <kdub> is that expected?
[20:50] <rsalveti> kdub: did you also flash the radio?
[20:51] <kdub> i flashed CM11, and then flashed system, recovery, ubuntu touch, boot
[20:51] <kdub> i got a could-not-access on the .img's in the link you sent
[20:54] <rsalveti> kdub: weird, maybe an image was being uploaded when you tried
[20:54] <rsalveti> kdub: I don't think CM11 would flash the radio
[20:54] <rsalveti> kdub: flash the bootloader & radio as I said on my email, and try again
[20:55] <kdub> okay
[20:55] <rsalveti> let me check the permission again
[20:55] <kdub> ah, its working now
[20:55] <rsalveti> kdub: indeed, you should be able to access them now
[20:56] <kdub> okay, ill let you know how it goes shortly
[21:03] <rsalveti> kdub: great
[21:24] <kdub> rsalveti, still having radio/wifi problems, will reflash
[21:27] <rsalveti> kdub: weird, ok
[21:42] <kdub> rsalveti, i got (from clockworkmod) 'root access missing', with a yes/no to obtain root, but other than that, nothing out of the ordinary
[21:43] <kdub> rsalveti, worked this time flashing though
[21:43] <kdub> i fastboot formatted a few partitions
[21:43] <rsalveti> kdub: yeah, you can ignore that, need to get that fixed
[21:43] <rsalveti> got it
[21:43] <rsalveti> yeah, I flashed the 4.4.2 factory image before flashing our image
[21:44] <rsalveti> that also erases everything
[21:45] <kdub> rsalveti, at any rate, have the image working, so starting to get mir to run, thanks
[21:46] <rsalveti> kdub: great
[22:22] <RAOF> mlankhorst: That would be a reasonable plan, wouldn't it :)
[22:23] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Got a bug reference for it?
[22:27] <mlankhorst> RAOF: no, was just curious
[22:27] <RAOF> But you're right, I should release it now :)


[19:25] <dupondje> Any idea if the following could be fixes before release ? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84298 and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84203
[19:25] <dupondje> quite an annoying regression if you upgrade from 14.04
[19:26] <tjaalton> needs patches first
[19:29] <dupondje> 84203 can be fixed by reverting the commit
[19:29] <dupondje> and other once can be fixed by disabling DRI3 when configuring xorg driver for intel
[19:30] <tjaalton> first you need to file bugs on lp
[19:35] <mlankhorst> dupondje: consiidering it fixes things for other people you want to engage upstream first
[19:35] <mlankhorst> especisally on the kernel
[19:35] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1374607
[19:36] <dupondje> mlankhorst: true, but reverting is not a fix that upstream will do. They will really FIX it. But I guess not in time for Utopic release.
[19:36] <dupondje> thats why I reported it upstream first :)
[19:38] <dupondje> same with the other issue. Disabling DRI3 is not preferred ofc. But its the only way to have it working now
[19:40] <mlankhorst> OR file bugs ssooner
[19:40] <dupondje> well upgraded to utopic only recently
[19:41] <dupondje> I wont die if its not fixed ofc :)
[19:41] <mlankhorst> disabling dri3 breaks DRI_PRIME for example
[19:43] <dupondje> reverting 975b9798be77b30cbed485583d0ccb48318708f7 is also an option
[19:43] <mlankhorst> cant check now, can you subscribe me?
[19:44] <dupondje> to upstream or bug I create on launchpad ?
[19:44] <mlankhorst> lp\
[19:44] <dupondje> k
[19:44] <dupondje> its indeed annoying there is no real fix for it. But just think its a quite annoying regression.
[19:46] <tjaalton> again I wish we'd have a rolling release between lts's ;)
[19:48] <dupondje> vote++ :)
[19:48] <dupondje> or just always :)
[19:49] <mlankhorst> no we need lts
[19:49] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1374618
[19:49] <dupondje> there
[19:49] <dupondje> you can fork the rolling release at one moment, and create an lts out of it
[20:01] <mlankhorst> that's not rolling release... means ready to release at any time..
[20:05] <dupondje> well no, create a fork, and make some changes to that fork so you can work on it for some months, and then release that as lts
[20:05] <dupondje> but well :) thats another discussion :D


[04:00] <willm> Hi,
[04:00] <willm> I am new to the bugzapper team
[04:35] <dtchen> willm: welcome
[04:35] <willm> hi, I just joined the bugzapper team a couple of hours ago and thought I would stop by here
[04:36] <dtchen> this channel'll probably lie dormant for a couple hours
[04:37] <willm> I come from Fedora where I was a bug person there but I haven't done it for a little while
[04:37] <willm> ok
[04:37] <willm> while*
[04:38] <dtchen> mostly it's the weekend hours, and people are returning from the platform sprint in dublin
[04:39] <willm> that isn't a big deal i understand
[04:39] <willm> I didn't expect too many folks to be on here on the weekend
[04:39] <dtchen> micahg: beep depends on the hardware - it can be driven by pcspkr, snd-pcsp, snd-hda-beep
[04:39] <dtchen> micahg: so, lots of room for confusion/error
[04:40] <dtchen> micahg: note that in the latest upload of module-init-tools in karmic, pitti blacklisted pcspkr
[04:40] <dtchen> (which is insufficient IMO)
[04:40] <micahg> pcspkr did it
[04:40] <micahg> I didn't want to ask you in here dtchen
[04:41] <micahg> but thanks
[04:41] <dtchen> i have highlights for keywords
[04:52] <micahg> dtchen: can I talk to you about bug 283718
[04:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 283718 in flashplugin-nonfree "Installing adobe-flashplugin alongside flashplugin-nonfree fails" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283718
[04:53] <dtchen> sec
[04:53] <micahg> oh, I need to talk to asac about it
[05:02] <dtchen> micahg: i think the best course of action is for the adobe-flashplugin source to be altered
[05:06] <micahg> to do what?
[05:06] <micahg> conflict?
[05:07] <dtchen> it really should C+R, as my last comment recommends
[05:07] <micahg> so why was it won't fix?
[05:07] <micahg> is that the current plan?
[05:07] <micahg> for adobe-flashplugin to replace flashplugin-installer?
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: the current plan is that they're parallel-installable
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: at least that's the way the respective source packages read
[05:15] <dtchen> micahg: in which case it's really moot, and the bug status is correct as either wontfix or fixreleased
[05:20] <micahg> how can that be?
[05:20] <micahg> they are the same plugin are they not?
[05:27] <dtchen> install to different locations, so technically (by Policy) there's no reason to Conflicts
[05:35] <micahg> yes, but firefox doesn't like both of them
[05:36] <dtchen> technically they should Breaks each other
[05:39] <micahg> dtchen: what do you mean?
[05:39] <dtchen> micahg: both source packages should be amended to have Breaks
[05:40]  * micahg doesn't understand what that means...
[05:40] <dtchen> adobe-flashplugin should Breaks: flashplugin-installer, and vice versa
[05:40] <micahg> ah
[05:40] <micahg> excellent
[05:40] <micahg> can I open a bug for that?
[05:40] <dtchen> go for it
[05:42] <micahg> bug 410935
[05:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410935 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree should break adobe-flashplugin and vice-versa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410935
[12:24] <BUGabundo> bom dia
[12:42] <BUGabundo> hey ogra
[13:28] <kklimonda> how to get a list of local packeges? i.e. packages that aren't from any repository
[13:29] <BUGabundo> synapic does it
[13:29] <BUGabundo> and so does aptitude
[19:10] <lfaraone> Hey, can someone assist me in debugging bug 409001? I don't think this is a problem in the package. as xcb_io.c isn't part of python-gasp.
[19:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409001 in python-gasp "begin_graphics crashes python shell" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409001
[19:10]  * matti pokes Laney
[19:10] <Laney> sup
[19:10] <Laney> see the topic!
[19:10] <Laney> get triagin'
[19:11] <matti> Sir yes sir!
[21:13] <s3r3n1t7> Every so many minutes a 4 will be typed, a literal 4. It is not caused by a broken keyboard and it also occurs on the liveCD. Windows does not have this problem.
[21:24] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: hi
[21:24] <BUGabundo> this channel is not for user support
[21:24] <BUGabundo> please visit #ubuntu
[21:24] <BUGabundo> or #ubuntu+1 for devel versions (like karmic)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:25] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: I've been directed here from #ubuntu by Flannel.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> err
[21:25] <BUGabundo> well no, not here
[21:25] <Flannel> He's asking what sort of stuff to include in the bug report
[21:25] <Flannel> or, that's what I directed him here for, anyway.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> ok, lets give him a try
[21:25] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: what's the prob?
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> Ah. so i misunderstood the intention then Flannel. My bad. Right, so what to include in it?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> its the '4' ?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> without any other data, that would sound like faulty hw
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: the problem is that 4 is typed every few minutes for no reason. Even without keyboard, without any software running, single under mode, still does it. Windows however, does not.
[21:26] <BUGabundo> but since you state it doesn't happen on wind
[21:26] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: leading me to believe it's somewhat related to ubuntu.
[21:27] <BUGabundo> what version is this ?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> and where is this '4' typed?
[21:27] <s3r3n1t7> the latest, i believe that would be 9.04.3. A near fresh install.
[21:27] <s3r3n1t7> where ever i leave my cursor.
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> it feels like it's send on the keyboard input channel, as when i play WoW it tries to use the ability bound to the 4.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> there is no such version
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I'll assume 9.04
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> 9.04, third major updated.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> unless the .3 is meant to be from Mint !
[21:28] <s3r3n1t7> no, clean ubuntu.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> no s3r3n1t7 there is no 3rd update to jaunty
[21:29] <BUGabundo> only 8.04 had that
[21:29] <BUGabundo> do you mean 8.04 ?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> Hardy ?
[21:29] <s3r3n1t7> ah. My bad there then. No, this is jaunty (just confirmed)
[21:29] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: please open a terminal and type lsb_release -a
[21:29] <BUGabundo> what does that give you ?
[21:30] <s3r3n1t7> I have. It shows Jaunty. (this is how i confirmed it just a second ago)
[21:30] <s3r3n1t7> Release: 9.04 Codename: jaunty
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:31] <BUGabundo> those this only happen on that game?
[21:31] <s3r3n1t7> No, the game was an example to show that it isn't related to just text. It will type a 4 where ever that my cursor is, be it text or anything else.
[21:32] <BUGabundo> very strange
[21:32] <BUGabundo> did you search on launchpad?
[21:32] <s3r3n1t7> I have, but not found a similar or related bug.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I don't recall a proper package to file it against
[21:33] <s3r3n1t7> Good old google also left me down on this one, leaving me rather helpless.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> would you care to run a livecd/usb of karmic ?
[21:34] <s3r3n1t7> would you please explain what karmic is? I haven't heard of it. As long as it doesn't break stuff, sure.
[21:35] <s3r3n1t7> Ah, i see. Karmic is the new codename of Ubuntu 9.10?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:36] <s3r3n1t7> Do you have a download link at hand? If not, i'll find one.
[21:36] <BUGabundo> if you could get an iso, and burned it or put on an USB key, and test, it would help
[21:37] <BUGabundo> of course
[21:37] <BUGabundo> !daily
[21:37] <ubot4> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:37] <s3r3n1t7> I'll burn it and test it.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> see daily-live
[21:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:37] <s3r3n1t7> Ok, give me 2 seconds to switch irssi back to the right pc.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> please open a bug, lets make it to the kernel, and keep it updated
[21:37] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: run on a cli: ubuntu-bug linux
[21:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> I assume I have to run that on the Karmic version?
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> I'll try my best.
[21:38] <s3r3n1t7> Downloading atm, ETA is 6 minutes.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> no
[21:44] <BUGabundo> run on jaunty
[21:44] <BUGabundo> since there's where you have the bug s3r3n1t7
[21:45] <BUGabundo> s3r3n1t7: also when you do, sub me to it, so I can track the bug
[21:45] <s3r3n1t7> BUGabundo: running that now then.
[21:46] <s3r3n1t7> Not entirely sure how to describe the bug. "4 being typed without typing" ?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:47] <BUGabundo> its strange
[21:47] <BUGabundo> it would be great if you could reproduce it on other HW
[21:47] <BUGabundo> like, have you changed keyboard?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> used that on another pc?
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> I use a G15, which i use between 2 PC's and a laptop. Only this PC has this issue, persistant between reinstallations of Ubuntu.
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> Happens with other keyboard (and no keyboard) as well
[21:48] <s3r3n1t7> though ... the description ... Typing is happening without typing <== something like that?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> wait, NO KEYB?
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> yes even without keyboard
[21:49] <BUGabundo> state that on the bug, please
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> will do
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I still believe its faulty HW
[21:49] <BUGabundo> maybe a bad controler
[21:49] <s3r3n1t7> It has me wondering why windows doesn't have the same problem.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> where the wind drivers ignores it
[21:49] <BUGabundo> pretty comon
[21:49] <BUGabundo> wind is more permissive
[21:50] <s3r3n1t7> Might be ... though I'd think Ubuntu would be more able to handle it.
[21:57] <s3r3n1t7> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/411154
[21:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 411154 in linux "Typing is happening without typing" [Undecided,New]
[21:57] <s3r3n1t7> would you be so kind to take a look?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I will
[21:58] <s3r3n1t7> I just subscribed you to it (assuming that's what you asked for earlier)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> please edit and stat this happens on LiveCd
[21:58] <BUGabundo> and doesn't on Wind
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I already did sub to it
[21:59] <s3r3n1t7> ok.
[22:00] <s3r3n1t7> Changed.


 @amolith, To be fair, Ivan is a nice name. Better than Larry.
 @zoomer296, I do agree lol. Ivan is a very strong name when the emphasis is on the first syllable and very elegant when on the second syllable. Better than Gideon
 Dang, so no anbox on Bacon yet??
 Nope, not on snapdragon
 @samzn, Oh snap.. lol well thanks for a real answer! :D
 Should work on nexus 5 mainline perhaps
[07:49] <ubptgbot> Arthur was added by: Arthur
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 Youri devise is unlocked ?
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 Come to https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get help with you N5
 [Edit] Come to https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get help with your N5
 That's the Welcome & Install group
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 @trueleo, Oh welcome my brother :D glad to see you here
 @vanyasem, :D thanks. I realised I will be needing this group in near future very soon
 Oh i doubt so. Everything porting related goes here @ubports_porting
 @vanyasem, ehh so super group isnt for porting.. :p
 *joins
 @trueleo, It's for general purpose questions
 There are separate groups for cloud services and for installing ubports though
 @vanyasem, I will just wait for something to crash then will see where to ask
 @trueleo, You will need the supergroup once you boot ubports on your device
 So after the port is done
 Idk if apparmor issue is still around though
 Hello, I would like to add a PPA since libertine, is it possible?
 So I've had a call with bq just to find out that they have clue on adb_vendor_keys for vegetahd ...
 Anyone with an idea how to get data from phone if display is out and it is in devel mode?
 I think you can do a partition dump with fastboot
 uhm could you be more precise? (Adb see device but says it is unauthorized)
 hmh ... is there a way to boot from sd card on these phones?
 could anyone compile the Scope Desktop app for xenial please?
 @Aique, this command does nothing
 don't spam
 @UniversalSuperBox, this
 Dalton Durst: … BLUE TEXT … MUST CLICK …  MUST CLICK … I AM A STUPID ANIMAL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO COLORS
 is it possible, there is something wrong with the ubports rss feed?
 i get lots of the news multiple times...so i just wanted to know if it's just me
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 @anhedon, @wayneoutthere is https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/feed working fine?
 BLUE TEXT … MUST CLICK … I AM A STUPID ANIMAL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO COLORS
 Please everyone, keep on topic
 or move to @ubports_ot at least
 Yeah, exactly right
 @Sconio, Yes you can add a PPA in libertine. But most don't build for arm, so not generally useful.
 @dohbee, thanks for your answer, can you tell me how you please
 I have something to try
 from libertine
 @Sconio, Install `software-properties-common` then run `add-apt-repository` as normal to add it, inside the container
 ok, thanks for this info, i will try
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 That's the Indonesian group
 @advocatux Hello. yes, we met before on the forum. I will check the first link. … I have ready in Indonesian group, I'm being tell by other Indonesian person that in here is crowded, so I join in here
 Perfect, this is the place for general conversation about UT
 ok, thank you again
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 @advocatux, no idea... sorry. i'm almost absent I"m so busy this week.  it was working but ... @exar_kun is probably the better one to ask this week or perhaps @UniversalSuperBox.  our main 'guy' for these questions is unavailable for about 3 weeks...
 @wayneoutthere, Thank you!
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 @anhedon, Seems to be working all right for me.
 @exar_kun, weird. thanks for checking though..
 You could try removing and re-adding the feed. Or could be due to an intermittent connection, or the client used to subscribe to RSS. I'll monitor it on my end and see if the same issue occurs.
 will do when im back at my machine
 is there any way to use desktop app on xenial 16.04
 @Sconio, Well if you got a magnifying glass you might try the libertine way ;)
 ok np and
 for view launcher ??
 not possible in my opo xenial 126.04
 [Edit] not possible in my opo xenial 16.04
 For current state of 16.04 bugs and issues please use our trackers: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones
 ah
 cool
 ;)
 @Sconio, What you mean?
 even the launcher
 @Flohack, the libertine scope is built against 15.04. there isn't a 16.04 version
 @dohbee, yes
 Ahh ok
 @Flohack, 💪💪💪
 😆
 is this rootfs is the latest ? because i noticed its not the same when install UT using devel channel … https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-rootfs-armhf/
 What's different?
 for example sdcard not detected, camera crash (require permission)
 Compared to...
 ?
 compared to version installed by ubuntu-device-flash (using channel titan
 Do you have udev rules and such in your system.img?
 It's likely that they were added to the build for the system-image-server
 [Edit] Do you have udev rules and such in your Android system.img?
 i will verif udev rules, i have changed it ,
 well Google I/O showing off Android P makes the need for alternatives even greater
 There isn't much time, I fear
 I think that it's the first step toward replacing Linux with Fuscia.
 they've been down that path for a while now, really
 Are there anyone in these group good with Ubuntu Server 16.04 installations? I'm sorta stuck at this section of installation... Should I activate RAID now or wait to do it after installation?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/jJuyz3uA.png
 @ubports_ot for ot stuff
 No, see https://www.ubuntu.com/support/community-support for Ubuntu desktop / server support
 also that
 @dohbee, I haven't seen much about it. What in particular don't you like?
 @padraic7a, they are shoving the google assistant thing in a lot deeper, and it's a lot creepier now
 Ugh. I bought a Fastmail account this year just to get off Gmail. Their search is hard to beat though, and a compelling alternative voice assistant doesn't seem to be on the horizon
 i'm perfectly happy without a voice assistant
 we are not ready for it as a species
 @UniversalSuperBox, not the same, also the lock screen is not the same, with rootfs downloaded from the  server, i must type enter button to unlock screen (its auto unlocked in UT installed by ubuntu-device-flash )
 @Walid, are you using a PIN on both, or is one a passphrase, and you use PIN when flashed with u-d-f?
 PIN in both
 Is UT 16 stable? 😮
 no it isn't
 @Walid, If you go into settings and set a PIN, does it work as a PIN again
 Like, remove the PIN and add it again
 does sound like something thinks it's a passphrase instead
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[10:13] <enyc> 11:10 < enyc> OooooOOO I see  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[10:13] <enyc> 11:10 < enyc> 1:102.2.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>   1:102.2.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>   1:102.2.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:13] <enyc> I guess that answers my question I was going to ask if ubuntu going straight to Thunderbird 102.x or going to try to get 91.13.1 etc  [as seem to be lagging behind anyhow...]
[15:55] <stevenm> Anyone know much about 70-uaccess.rules ?


[14:57] <xsisec_> Hi Guys what is the difference from install cuda from https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&Distribution=Ubuntu&target_version=22.04&target_type=deb_local or  sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit nvidia-cuda-toolkit-gcc?
[17:02] <xubuntu2d> Did anyone noticed that slack system tray no longer works in xubuntu 23.04?
[17:02] <xubuntu2d> Is there a place i can start debugging this?
[18:31] <sharky> hi folks, hoping someone can help. I upgraded from 22.10 to 23.04 and clicking "login" prompted a loop which blanks the screen briefly then pops the login screen back. sing recovery mode I've removed all autologin stuff from lightdm and commented out nopasswdlogin from /etc/group, which at least gives me a full password prompt, but when I enter my
[18:31] <sharky> correct password, it says it's incorrect. I've changed/confirmed it's correct using recovery mode, but it still doesn't work. Baffled, stumped, frustrated. Full thread here [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1467818/upgrade-to-xubuntu-23-04-cant-login-popup-loop-tty-login-info-doesnt-work]; any ideas really gratefully received. Thanks all.
[18:31] <sharky> *Using recovery mode.
[18:34] <sharky> I've not yet tried the "drastic measures" approach answer here [https://askubuntu.com/a/84697/68396] but I'm not 100% convinced it would do much anyway. Maybe it would...
[18:34] <diogenes_Vx15> sharky, try to create a new user and login as a new user.
[18:34] <sharky> ooh ok, good idea
[18:34] <sharky> presumably in recovery mode also?
[18:35] <diogenes_Vx15> try normal mode.
[18:35] <sharky> can you do that in the normal login prompt?
[18:36] <sharky> options at login are my username or "Other...". If I enter a new user "user2" and a password, it says "password incorrect" still
[18:36] <diogenes_Vx15> just hit Ctrl+Alt+f1/2/3... and there you do sudo adduser or sudo useradd
[18:37] <diogenes_Vx15> then you login there as a new user and run: startxfce4
[18:38] <sharky> at tty1/2/3 the first prompt is "Computername login: _"
[18:39] <sharky> per the GUI issue, if I enter my existing user & pw, it says incorrect
[18:39] <sharky> also doesn't work for user=root
[18:40] <sharky> but feasibly I can do this in recovery:
[18:40] <sharky> useradd username -m -s /bin/bash
[18:40] <sharky> passwd username
[18:40] <sharky> adduser username sudo
[18:40] <sharky> ??
[18:40] <sharky> (thanks for the ideas btw)
[18:41] <diogenes_Vx15> the man page says thay it's recommended to use adduser.
[18:41] <diogenes_Vx15> that^
[18:44] <sharky> https://askubuntu.com/questions/161074/i-accidentally-deleted-administrator-account-and-the-other-accounts-are-asking-r#161075 per this I'm getting "the user 'user2' does not exist", so I'll try useradd now
[18:45] <sharky> ok done, rebooting
[18:45] <sharky> password incorrect.
[18:46] <sharky> something's seriously screwy with the password manager it seems... looks like it works normally in recovery mode, "mount -o rw,remount /" seems to work fine, everything confirms it's working, user2 was added to home and then to sudo.
[18:47] <sharky> is there any difference between tty1, 2, 3? I've never really known what the point of multiple tty's is. Anyway, original user & user2 passwords both don't work in tty nor login GUI
[18:48] <diogenes_Vx15> sharky, no difference but i think it woild be a good idea for you to backup your data.
[18:49] <diogenes_Vx15> eventually you might want to reinstall.
[18:49] <diogenes_Vx15> thay being said, i'm out, good luck.
[18:57] <sharky65> to remove my root password in recovery mode (set errantly), do I just follow this [https://askubuntu.com/a/84697/68396] i.e. nano -B /etc/shadow and delete the encrypted password between the first & second colons?
[18:58] <sharky65> I'm about to do this for my main and recently-created (likely not needed) second user, but just wondering if there will be any bad outcomes for doing it to the root account?
[19:03] <sharky65> Just removed passwords in shadow for main accounts, GUI login says "Failed to authenticate", password box greyed out, so that is having some effect.
[19:03] <sharky65> went back into recovery, set passwords for both users, save, exit, resume boot, login GUI, password incorrect. GAH.
[19:06] <sharky65> Anyone know if I can use an xubuntu 23.04 live USB to repair an install, is that a thing?
[19:17] <sharky65> possible progress, writing as much for myself as anything else: ages ago I tried to have my yubikey usable as a 1 touch login which never worked but evidently left deadly cruft in the system. Guide here [https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016649099-Ubuntu-Linux-Login-Guide-U2F]. Have removed "auth       required   pam_u2f.so"
[19:17] <sharky65> from /etc/pam.d/sudo and it no longer says password incorrect, I've plugged in the yubikey, enter the password, tap the yubikey, and it does the screen blank loop. So. Progress, somewhat.
[19:30] <sharky65> ok, amazing, I can now login to tty but not to GUI still, it does the blank loop. So conceptually this is/was yubikey interfering with password PLUS possibly a display issue.
[19:37] <sharky65> following this [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1465176/login-screen-does-not-appear-after-upgrade-to-23-04] I already have nvidia and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau AND video-nvidia-470 installed so ostensibly no need to remove the nvidia drivers just yet, maybe just need to select the noubveau drivers while in tty...
[19:54] <sharky65> which is proving hard to do. lspci -vnnn says kernel driver in use: nvidia. I feel like I shouldn't need to purse nvidia drivers, just select the nouveau one...
[20:00] <lessiyana> I want to lead a lesbian in KDE #kde-lgbtq
[20:06] <lessiyana> I want to lead a lesbian in KDE #kde-lgbtq
[21:23] <sharky> I presume I didn't miss anything while I was offline again but please re-paste it if I did
[23:00] <Unit193> sharky: I'd be interested in what happened, fwiw.  Also, what pam modules do you have installed?
[23:01] <sharky> pam was indeed the login issue, related to yubikey
[23:01] <sharky> https://support.yubico.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016649099-Ubuntu-Linux-Login-Guide-U2F I commented out everything to do with pam_u2f
[23:02] <Unit193> Gotcha, seemed like the direction you were going.
[23:02] <sharky> but this just fixed my password issue, I'm now back at the login loop, can access & login to tty, purged nvidia driver, nouveau driver installed but not in use, seemingly no way to enable it.
[23:03] <sharky> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1467818/upgrade-to-xubuntu-23-04-cant-login-popup-loop-tty-login-info-doesnt-work full issue here, but asking a new one since it is/was 2 separate things.
[23:04] <Unit193> Nothing in /var/log/lightdm/ or .xsession-errors?  Did you try the ol' rm ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority trick?
[23:04] <sharky> new question here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1468208/xubuntu-22-10-to-23-04-gui-upgrade-login-loop-nvidia-drivers-purged-no-driver
[23:05] <sharky> I will now, one sec
[23:05] <Unit193> Ah, looks like the loop is before lightdm, meh.
[23:06] <Unit193> And just for kicks:  apt list ?config-files  list anything?
[23:08] <sharky> var log lightdm: session pid=1107: exited with return value 127. seat seat0: session stopped. stopping display server, no sessions require it.
[23:08] <sharky> (possibly cos Im
[23:08] <sharky> I'm in tty though?)
[23:09] <sharky> tough to tell where this loop occurs relative to the gui/tty experience.
[23:10] <Unit193> Right, but if it shows lightdm then it's not the drivers at least, even if you can't login to your user.
[23:10] <sharky> "m ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority trick?" - any further intel on this, it's new to me
[23:10] <Unit193> !xhangs
[23:10] <sharky> well I can login in tty...
[23:10] <Unit193> Dang, no link... :/
[23:10] <sharky> ok 1 sec
[23:10] <Unit193> Nah if lightdm isn't even showing up, then it's not that.
[23:10] <Unit193> Any feedback on the apt list command?
[23:11] <sharky> I should do the rm trick at root level?
[23:11] <sharky> haven't gotten around to apt list yet, sorry - no ability to copy & paste commands across machines ;)
[23:12] <sharky> apt list: anything I'm looking for in particular? scrolling now
[23:12] <Unit193> Hopefully not much output, but look for nvidia stuff.  Also, you could use termbin if you have internet.
[23:12] <Unit193> apt list ?config-files  are removed packages with files remaining.
[23:13] <sharky> libnvidia-compute-460/lunar 470.182.03-0ubuntu1 amd 64
[23:13] <sharky> libnvidia-compute-465/lunar 470.182.03-0ubuntu1 amd 64
[23:14] <sharky> lots more nvidia at the end also,
[23:14] <sharky> nvidia-compute-utils
[23:14] <sharky> nvidia-dkms
[23:14] <sharky> nvidia-kernel-common
[23:14] <sharky> nvidia-prime
[23:14] <sharky> nvidia-settings
[23:15] <Unit193> So yeah, there's leftover files.  My thinking here is that it's possible that the config that says to use nvidia is still present, but logs should say.
[23:16] <Unit193> If you're *sure* you can get rid of those,  apt purge ?config-files also works.
[23:16] <sharky> any concern that'll also purge all the other config-files?
[23:17] <Unit193> It'll absolutely purge all packages that have been removed but have files leftover, yes.
[23:17] <Unit193> (For packages still installed, it won't touch them.)
[23:17] <sharky> at this stage nvidia's not doing anything for me, so i'm not averse to chucking out all it's cruft. Notwithstanding it might have been nice to keep the settings in case I can reinstall it later.
[23:18] <Unit193> Last nvidia driver I used was 304. :/
[23:19] <sharky> purging now. eeks.
[23:20] <sharky> now wondering whether I should have tried to boot into an older linux kernel...
[23:20] <sharky> will reboot now & if it fails: "rm .{X,ICE}authority" do I just run this at root in tty?
[23:21] <Unit193> That'd be as your user, they're in your own home dir.
[23:21] <sharky> gotcha
[23:21] <Unit193> But that only helps if lightdm pops up, but your user throws you back to the login screen.
[23:24] <sharky> ah. backed up & deleted now, config file purge didn't change anything, will reboot and check to see if authorities did
[23:24] <sharky> then try oldest linux kernel
[23:25] <sharky> it just feels like there should be a way to request the gpu uses a specific installed module
[23:26] <sharky> no improvement, rebooting for older kernel
[23:27] <sharky> no change there either
[23:27] <sharky> alas
[23:34] <sharky> var log lightdm: "session pid=1107: exited with return value 127. seat seat0: session stopped. stopping display server, no sessions require it. Process exiting with return value 0. XServer 0: X server stopped. Releasing VT 7. Removing X server authority /var/run/lightdm/root/:0. Seat seat0: display server stopped."
[23:34] <Unit193> Nothing specifically is jumping out at me.  You could cat /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log | nc termbin.io 9999  and I could take a look, or you could ask in #ubuntu and hope the more exposure has better luck.
[23:34] <sharky> This feels like the doom loop. Session ending, giving up x server, the getting dumped back to login greeter.
[23:35] <Unit193> Sounds like there should be a log before that, of what went wrong.  Either in that, or x-0-greeter.log :P
[23:35] <sharky> permission denied, port 9999 name or service not known. possibly have to open port on my router?
[23:37] <Unit193> Urgh, .com not .io.  I always do that and not sure why, sorry.
[23:38] <Unit193> That'll pastebin your log and the link should be short enough to hand copy.
[23:38] <sharky> haha no worries, already googled it and found it was .com, same error, will look at my eero app. after downloading the eero app...
[23:39] <Unit193> Permission denied pasting, or trying to read the file as non-root?
[23:39] <sharky> ugh, silly sausage, didn't add sudo
[23:39] <sharky> https://termbin.com/hnir
[23:39] <sharky> what a wonderful service
[23:41] <sharky> "vesa: Refusing to run on UEFI" aligns with someone someone else said on a previous thread with no answer
[23:42] <sharky> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/vesa-refusing-to-run-on-uefi-again-4175687045/ this suggests nomodeset could be the cause, potentially I can edit my grub. now to remind myself where grub lives...
[23:43] <Unit193> You'll want to poke at /etc/default/grub and then update-grub (as root)
[23:44] <Unit193> Also cat /proc/cmdline  to see what you booted with.
[23:44] <sharky> yup, there now. nomodeset present. IDK what that relates to, presumably changed it based on a bug years ago and left it.
[23:45] <Unit193> ...Been there, done that.  "Do I still need this?  *Why* do I even have it?!"
[23:46] <sharky> booted with 5.11 kernel just to try it but removing nomodeset should apply to all kernels I select I believe. Let's find the F out!
[23:47] <sharky> trying 6.2 again now. splash screen is NOTABLY higher res.... so is login screen. Palpable excitement.
[23:47] <sharky> password entered. blank screen. login popup again. arsebiscuits.
[23:48] <sharky> tty is much higher res as well. weird that nomodeset has improved the res but it still won't login/work
[23:48] <sharky> tty login fine still
[23:50] <sharky> ok, lspci -vnnn|less shows gpu kernel driver in use: nouveau. Hooray! But somehow I guess this wasn't the issue then...?
[23:50] <Unit193> Check ~/.xsession-errors?
[23:53] <sharky> https://termbin.com/fgg3
[23:54] <sharky> "xfce4-session: symbol lookup error: xfce4-session: undefined symbol: xfce_screensaver_new" seems innocuous but is the last thing...
[23:54] <Unit193> xfce4-session: symbol lookup error: xfce4-session: undefined symbol: xfce_screensaver_new  Uhh...is something not updated?
[23:54] <Unit193> No, that's xfce4-session crashing.
[23:55] <Unit193> That sounds like a new xfce4-session without an updated libxfce4util, that symbol is new.
[23:55] <sharky> before the update, it gives the user a warning about lock screens. I wonder?
[23:55] <Unit193> LANG=C apt list | grep ed,loc
[23:55] <sharky> potenially I could update libxfce4util?
[23:57] <sharky> https://termbin.com/nxpcx
[23:58] <Unit193> ...Not what I was expecting, OK..  Uh, exo/now 2021.11.16  that's not a version string that ever had..
[23:59] <Unit193> apt-cache policy libxfce4ui-2-0 xfce4-session  ?


  I would have thought it would be 2**32-1 (on a 32-bit system)...
[21:20] <maxb> Hi, please see the topic. This channel pertains to the packaging of Java software in Ubuntu. For general Java questions, ##java will be a much more fruitful place to ask.


[16:45] <Garheade> Morning all. Is there a 14.04 release party planned?
[16:46] <Garheade> nevermind. I found it.
[18:44] <Cheri703> system76chick: is there any way (well, I'm sure there is, but are you willing to look into a way) to add a "add to google calendar" button for the event(s)? That would be *awesome* and efficient for people. :)
[18:44] <Cheri703> Also, possibly making a note about Wynkoop on the event page, parking is kinda difficult there, and the garage across the street is pricey, like $10 for a few hours iirc. (I went there a few months ago)
[18:48] <Cheri703> I will likely do park & ride and walk the half mile from light rail to the place
[18:52] <system76chick> I don't exactly know how to add the google calender button to the event page...
[18:52] <Cheri703> I'm sure one of our wonderful members could figure it out :D
[18:53] <system76chick> I will look into the parking and put the details on the site
[18:54] <Cheri703> I know nothing about this, but it came up in a google search: http://addthisevent.com/ (I'd poke at it, but I'm working on a thing for work)
[18:54] <Cheri703> (not that you're not at work, just saying)
[18:55] <system76chick> always full of awesome resources Cheri!
[18:55] <system76chick> Thank you :)


[01:37] <mmikowski> kubuntu
[09:10] <mparillo> The default on the MM ISOs is to hibernate, even when plugged in. I thought I tried kubuntu as the live ISO Password, and I thought it did not work. Neither did Kubuntu, ubuntu, Ubuntu, or no password at all.
[09:46] <weedmic> what do you mean by ISO?  to me it is a standard like ISO 27002
[10:19] <kirvesAxe> weedmic, I would assume mparillo was referring to .iso files, related to to user|29 asking (11 hours ago) about the default password while running a live Kubuntu from USB stick
[10:40] <weedmic> tks kirvesAxe - for me, I don't remember every being requested for a password though.  kali live asks for some commands, but...
[11:20] <kirvesAxe> weedmic, apparently this happened after locking screen in a live usb session...
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 Kubuntu problem. Kubuntu 23.04 on HP laptop. Charging not working through USB C. My laptop supports video/data/charging on a USB C port. If I plug it into my monitor when running windows 10 or 11 everthing works and as well as the desktop on the monitor it charges my laptop at the same time. But on Kubuntu it doesn't charge the laptop. Is there a fix? Thanks for any help
[11:26] <weedmic> perhaps it is a robot asking for human help ?
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[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:53] <user|62> Ha fallado la carga de proveedores desde el archivo https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml
[19:18] <user|62> Ha fallado la carga de proveedores desde el archivo https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml
[19:18] <user|62> kubuntu 22.04
[19:19] <genii> !es | user|62
[19:41] <user|62>  https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml
[19:42] <user|62> error
[19:51] <Guest28> Hello
[21:18] <awwal> hi