[04:05] <oogy> Hello
[04:06] <oogy> Is this a Ubuntu help channel?
[04:15] <oogy> ??
[09:00] <soee> any idea how can i fix this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15446319/ ?
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> soee: adbobe flash is pretty dead on linux
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> soee: install chromium-browser, or use webbrowser-app with pepperflash instead
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> soee: or firefox + freshplayer
[12:15] <Tlan> hello
[12:15] <Tlan> is beta 2 out ?
[12:20] <counter-clockwis> hello
[12:21] <Tlan> hi
[12:23] <counter-clockwis> hey Tlan , did you find the answer to your question about 16.04?
[12:23] <Tlan> no
[12:23] <counter-clockwis> ah
[12:24] <counter-clockwis> Tlan : why are you chasing that release, are you a beta tester?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <counter-clockwis> sup BluesKaj
[12:25] <Tlan> yeah just wondering on iam 16.04 mate edition
[12:25] <Tlan> beta 1 and there was a upgrade option
[12:25] <Tlan> today
[12:25] <BluesKaj> counter-clockwis, 'Morning coffee :-)
[12:25] <counter-clockwis> ah k
[12:25] <Tlan> 16.04 is coming alont nicely
[12:25] <counter-clockwis> BluesKaj, ahaha breakfast of champions
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:26] <counter-clockwis> i want coffee now, brb
[12:30] <counter-clockwis> mmm breakfast of champions
[12:30] <counter-clockwis> tastes good
[12:31] <Tlan> hey is there a offical ppa for nvidia drivers?
[12:31] <Tlan> i have a GTX 970
[12:31] <Tlan>  and i hate having to manually install new drivers
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Tlan, the nvidia-361 is the recommended driver for the GTX900 series
[12:34] <Tlan> but doesn't it suck for gaming?
[12:34] <Tlan> like the newer drivers have bug fixes
[12:34] <Tlan> for steam and stuff
[12:35] <Tlan> is that from edgers ?
[12:35] <Tlan> what is the full version number?
[12:36] <k1l> Tlan: if you run the updates your system will become the beta2
[12:40] <BluesKaj> and what's the point of using an unstable driver from some ppa for games
[12:40] <counter-clockwis> how's gaming on ubuntu Tlan
[12:40] <counter-clockwis> ?
[12:40] <Tlan> no i was wondering if nvidia had provide a offical ppa
[12:40] <Tlan> it's pretty close to windows for some things
[12:40] <Tlan> you loose physix support
[12:41] <Tlan> so like borderlands 2 doesn't have the fance physix graphics
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Tlan, ppas arem't "official"
[12:41] <counter-clockwis> nice
[12:41] <counter-clockwis> meh
[12:41] <TJ-> the GPU PPA is :)
[12:41] <k1l> ubuntu got official nvidia drivers in the ubuntu repos
[12:42] <thehumanelement> hay, anyone know if xenial dailies are really daily? Last Modified on the FTP site is the 7th March
[12:43] <thehumanelement> k1l that is cool
[12:43] <thehumanelement> also does anyone know how to install Skype on 16.04?
[12:44] <k1l> skype is dying on non-windows. they drop support for more and more platforms. and dont update the linux version since some years now.
[12:44] <TJ-> thehumanelement: if you look on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ you'll see the more recent spins haven't passed testing
[12:47] <BluesKaj> thehumanelement, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-skype-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-linux-64-bit
[12:48] <Tlan> whats the latest driver in the ubunut gpu repo
[12:49] <Tlan> i switched from amd to nvidia and it was like night and day for gaming
[12:49] <counter-clockwis> k1l, not surprised about skype dying
[12:49] <counter-clockwis> i don't find it to be a good program
[12:49] <Tlan> amd has way better open source driver though
[12:50] <k1l> !find nvidia
[12:50] <k1l> nvidia-361 is the latest one in ubuntu repo
[12:50] <counter-clockwis> Tlan , have you tried virtual machine for gaming? KVM Windows with gpu pass through?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Tlan, it's in the repos/package manager
[12:51] <Tlan> no i have never tried that
[12:51] <Tlan> i just dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu
[12:51] <Tlan> i have alot of windows only games
[12:51] <TJ-> Tlan: also see https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:51] <BluesKaj> W10 sucks on some games from what I've heard
[12:51] <counter-clockwis> if you have iGPU you can run ubuntu off that, then pass through your gtx970 to the VM
[12:52] <Tlan> windows 10 is fine
[12:52] <counter-clockwis> BluesKaj, give it time, still teething
[12:52] <Tlan> it's just they spy on you and log your keys
[12:52] <counter-clockwis> lol
[12:52] <BluesKaj> still prefer W7
[12:52] <Tlan> so you have to disable alot of stuff
[12:52] <Tlan> in the registry it's not that hard
[12:52] <counter-clockwis> i prefer win7 also, still running it as main OS on most of my rigs, but win10 not all bad
[12:52] <Tlan> but i only use windows for gaming
[12:52] <Tlan> win7 is slower than windows 10 though
[12:53] <counter-clockwis> i dunno about the whole spying thing, i think that's over hyped a bit
[12:53] <Tlan> the kernel is slower
[12:53] <counter-clockwis> i dunno, i can't notice a speed difference on my machines
[12:53] <Tlan>  it has better support for newer hardware
[12:53] <counter-clockwis> true
[12:53] <Tlan> i like some of the windows store apps
[12:53] <Tlan> like the AMC app
[12:54] <Tlan> its the only way i know to watch walking dead on my pc
[12:54] <counter-clockwis> windows 10 is trying too hard to be OS X, that's my main gripe
[12:54] <Tlan> with out downloading the episodes or torenting
[12:54] <counter-clockwis> walking dead <3
[12:54] <counter-clockwis> u just made me realise, i missed this weeks ep
[12:54] <Tlan> i like how microsoft is just evolving windows 10
[12:54] <Tlan> like they keep adding new features that normally would be a service pack or newer version
[12:54] <counter-clockwis> how can you like it, they havent even started yet :P
[12:55] <counter-clockwis> how is it different though
[12:55] <Tlan> like they just keep rolling new builds
[12:55] <counter-clockwis> the service packs were just a way of deliving a bunch of updates at once
[12:55] <Tlan> but ubuntu-mate is my fav os
[12:55] <counter-clockwis> they are just updating it the same as they always have...
[12:55] <counter-clockwis> they've just labeled it differently
[12:55] <Tlan> i can still play most of my steam games in ubuntu mate as well or very close as good as windows
[12:55] <counter-clockwis> a "service"
[12:56] <counter-clockwis> yeh that's cool
[12:56] <BluesKaj> I have on old usb TV capture dongle and I haven't been entirely successful finding linux drivers/modules for it altho it used to work on older kernels... have some old VHS tapes taken at fasmily gatherings that I'd like to transfer to the hdd then make dvds or send them thru dropbox to releatives
[12:56] <counter-clockwis> when linux catches up on gaming, it can be my main OS
[12:56] <counter-clockwis> until then tho..
[12:57] <counter-clockwis> BluesKaj, gotta get some new hardware mebbe?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> counter-clockwis, yeah maybe...had it working on W7, perfect video, but no audio
[12:58] <counter-clockwis> hrmm
[12:59] <Tlan> i think this vulkan api will make it more competive with direct x
[12:59] <Tlan> direct x is a mature platform
[12:59] <Tlan> thats the difference
[12:59] <Tlan> the drivers are more mature on the windows platform for gaming but ubuntu and linux have come really close in a short amount of time
[13:00] <counter-clockwis> yeah
[13:00] <counter-clockwis> they just need more people to switch to linux and the support will come
[13:00] <Tlan> i think linux really needs get gaming better to become more popular
[13:00] <counter-clockwis> i'd say itll happen the other way round
[13:00] <Tlan> Microsoft will eventually shoot them selves in thefoot
[13:00] <counter-clockwis> as linux gets more popular, theyll make gaming better
[13:00] <Tlan> people are getting really pissed off with microsoft forced security update that installs windows 10 automatically
[13:01] <counter-clockwis> it doesn't do that
[13:01] <Tlan> ya i think this vulkan api is what they needed
[13:01] <counter-clockwis> people are just idiots and click the "schedule for a time" button
[13:01] <counter-clockwis> and then wonder why a count down starts and suddenly installs win 10
[13:01] <Tlan> no
[13:01] <counter-clockwis> anyone complaining about win10 auto installing is a novice for sure
[13:01] <Tlan> the update was listed as a security update so the machine will just automatically install it
[13:01] <counter-clockwis> i literally have never heard of it happening to anyone except n00bs on forums
[13:01] <Tlan> in windows 10 you have less control over updates
[13:01] <TJ-> can you keep the discussion on-topic please, or go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:02] <BluesKaj> just install the GWX Control Panel to get rid of the W10 annoyances on W7
[13:02] <Tlan> or how you receive updates that was the deal when they gave windows 10 away
[13:02] <Tlan> is that you had to take updates
[13:02] <counter-clockwis> i think we best listen to TJ-
[13:02] <Tlan> right now i play alot of call of duty black ops 3 on pc
[13:02] <Tlan> i can't play that in linux
[13:02] <counter-clockwis> o.IO
[13:03] <k1l> tell them to make native linux ports of the games
[13:03] <Tlan> yup
[13:03] <Tlan> well the problem is that direct x is better optimized than opengl
[13:03] <k1l> with steam running their own boxes on linux there is a first step.
[13:04] <Tlan> so they gotta port it over to opengl which i guess is harder to program
[13:04] <Tlan> thats why i have hope for this vulkan api
[13:04] <k1l> Tlan: i think its the other way around. opengl is that way because no one cares anyway. if direktx is rubbish the angry gamer mob will rage against MS
[13:04] <Tlan> vulkan will be like direct x for linux
[13:04] <Ben64> uh
[13:05] <Ben64> dx isn't better optimized or easier to program
[13:05] <Tlan> well they probably put more resources in it because that is where the majority of the customers are on
[13:05] <Ben64> not so much
[13:05] <elh9> ^
[13:06] <Ben64> dx works on windows and xbox
[13:06] <Tlan> yeah i know
[13:06] <Ben64> opengl works on windows, linux, mac, ps4, wiiu.... etc
[13:06] <Tlan> ya i know
[13:06] <Tlan> but it doesn't run as well as the direct x versions
[13:06] <Ben64> source?
[13:06] <Tlan> like the ports to linux are not as smooth as the windows
[13:07] <Tlan> the source games run well on linucx
[13:07] <Tlan> i think those are native ports
[13:07] <Ben64> i mean source for your claim
[13:07] <Tlan> native ports usually run well
[13:08] <Tlan>  oh well it doesn't take a genius just try it in both oses
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-software xenial
[13:09] <Tlan> like i get 200fps in windows 10 in csgo
[13:09] <Tlan> i get like 115fps in ubuntu csgo
[13:09] <Tlan> or i will only get 90
[13:09] <Ben64> that's not comparing dx vs opengl
[13:10] <Tlan> try xcom2
[13:10] <thehumanelement> okay thanks k1l and TJ-
[13:18] <elh9> Ben64, what is it comparing?
[13:18] <elh9> < knows little on subject
[13:18] <Ben64> how the game runs on windows vs linux
[13:18] <elh9> well yeh
[13:18] <Ben64> you can't change so many variables and assume the problem is just one thing
[13:19] <elh9> fair call
[13:19] <Ben64> if you want to compare dx and opengl, you should have everything else identical
[13:19] <Tlan> well thats the problem
[13:19] <elh9> makes sense
[13:19] <Tlan> there is just as much effort put into linux ports right now
[13:19] <Tlan> there are some really good native ports that shows linux can run just as well as windows
[13:19] <Tlan> but it's far and few between which sucks
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> unless the high end games?
[13:20] <Tlan> it's getting better
[13:20] <Tlan> yea you really can't run the high end games
[13:20] <Tlan> you are forced to use windows
[13:20] <Ben64> or a ps4
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> maybe one day :p
[13:20] <elh9> Tlan , that's expected though isn't it?
[13:20] <Tlan> plust like i get more control over my video card in the windows driver vs the linux one
[13:20] <Tlan> i don't know why
[13:20] <Tlan> like there is no overclocking
[13:20] <Ben64> what driver
[13:20] <Tlan> nvidia
[13:20] <Ben64> you can overclock
[13:21] <elh9> overclock with custom bios
[13:21] <Tlan> in the nvidia control panel?
[13:21] <Tlan> in linux?
[13:21] <Ben64> yep
[13:21] <elh9> custom bios
[13:21] <Tlan> it's super easy in windows you just move a slider
[13:22] <Ben64> yep super easy here too
[13:22] <elh9> it's easy to a point, then you need custom bios
[13:22] <Tlan> well i have a Asus strix gtx970
[13:22] <Tlan> i have to flash a new bios?
[13:22] <elh9> yesh
[13:22] <elh9> maxwell bios editor
[13:22] <elh9> <3
[13:22] <Tlan> oh
[13:23] <Tlan> so the stock is what ever i want it to be
[13:23] <elh9> yup
[13:23] <Tlan> it's factory overclocked already
[13:23] <Tlan> but in windows it will turbo up to 1475mhz in a game
[13:23] <elh9> you can go further if ur cooling is adequate
[13:23] <Tlan> ya the strix has awesome cooler
[13:23] <Tlan> the fans don't even turn on until it reaches 65c
[13:23] <elh9> factory overclock is probably 50 - 100 mhz over reference
[13:23] <Tlan> i love this card
[13:23] <Tlan> yea
[13:23] <elh9> you can probably go 300mhz +
[13:23] <Tlan> it's like 100mhz
[13:24] <Tlan> no the most i can probably do stable is 1475mhz
[13:24] <elh9> yeh 970 is good price/performance
[13:24] <Ben64> so you compared a game in windows with overclocked gpu to linux with normal clock and wondered why the fps was lower? :S
[13:24] <Tlan> yeah i got it for $300 on amazon
[13:24] <elh9> noice
[13:24] <Tlan> no
[13:24] <Tlan> even without overclock
[13:24] <Tlan> windows has like better latncy or framtimes
[13:25] <Ben64> do you have a compositing desktop
[13:25] <Tlan> i have mate
[13:25] <Tlan> ya i think i had compiz on
[13:25] <Ben64> well that will affect it
[13:25] <Tlan> yeah i should turn that off
[13:25] <Tlan> it's really close though
[13:25] <Tlan> the performance
[13:25] <elh9> http://www.overclock.net/t/1553510/gtx-970-gtx-980-why-bios-modding-is-mandatory-for-most-cards-if-you-want-a-stable-overclock
[13:25] <elh9> article about why bios modding is needed for decent oc on gtx 970
[13:26] <elh9> -article +thread
[13:26] <Tlan> i could probably push the card to 1500mhz or 1525mhz
[13:26] <Tlan> but most gtx970 max out
[13:26] <Tlan> at those speeds
[13:26] <Tlan> the ram is running at 7800mhz
[13:26] <elh9> yeah
[13:27] <Tlan> i didn't need to increase voltage and it hits 1475mhz no problem
[13:27] <elh9> upping the voltage slightly will get you those few extra megahertz
[13:27] <Tlan> and the temps never go higher than 70c
[13:27] <elh9> nice
[13:27] <Ben64> and reduce the life of your card
[13:27] <Tlan> ya i don't really want to mess with voltages
[13:27] <elh9> got a little bit of temperature head room to oc a bit further
[13:27] <Tlan> probably i dunno how much performance i would get
[13:27] <Tlan> i have a 29" ultra wide monitor
[13:28] <elh9> maxwell doesn't scale that great with o/c
[13:28] <elh9> kepler was a little better on that front
[13:28] <Tlan> so my res is 2560x1080
[13:28] <boern> how do i find out which dgx/gfx driver i have in ubuntu? because i have video a little video stutter in firefox/chrome
[13:28] <elh9> Ben64, shouldn't reduce life enough to worry about
[13:28] <Ben64> boern: lshw -C VIDEO | grep driver
[13:28] <elh9> most people aren't keeping their cards longer than 3 years
[13:29] <Tlan> the strix has a better powerphase
[13:29] <boern> configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[13:29] <Tlan> like better onboard components like chokes and stuff
[13:29] <elh9> hrmm
[13:29] <Tlan> so it could probably take a small bump in voltage
[13:29] <Tlan> the card is really heavy
[13:29] <elh9> i think the Asus Podcast episode 2 commented on that power phase stuff, they basically said it's meaningless and just a marketing ploy
[13:29] <boern> i use the nvidia driver, because the open source driver has problems
[13:30] <Tlan>  well the card uses a single 8pin which is different than the refernce design
[13:30] <Tlan> i don't think it's totally meaningless
[13:31] <Tlan> those extra designs can help with overclocking over the reference design
[13:31] <Tlan> the open source nvidia driver is really bad
[13:31] <elh9> yeh i dunno, listen to the asus podcast, there's only 2 episodes so far, both interesting, and they explain the power phase stuff and what it actually does for the card
[13:32] <Tlan> well alot of these cards they change the layout of the pcb
[13:32] <elh9> aswell as other cool stuff
[13:32] <elh9> sure
[13:32] <elh9> ie. non-reference
[13:35] <elh9> i think the reasoning that they gave was multiple phases help when you are pushing the caps to the limit, but the way the boards are designed, the caps will never come even close to their limit.
[13:35] <elh9> well.. the way the caps are designed
[13:35] <elh9> and the ones that are chosen
[13:35] <elh9> far exceed their need, and therefor using extra doesn't make a huge deal of difference
[13:42] <Tlan> yeah
[13:42] <Tlan> but you don't want leaky caps
[13:42] <Tlan> like the long term use at those high frequencies
[13:42] <Tlan> you want quality parts
[13:42] <Tlan> it reminds me of their sabertooth motherboards
[13:44] <boern> how can i move the unity launcher in ubuntu 16.04 to the botton?
[13:45] <boern> bottom*
[13:45] <boern> i heard its now possible
[13:46] <k1l> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[13:47] <boern> wow great thank you
[13:48] <boern> how do you all know these commands
[13:49] <boern> i hope they implement a gui feature for that.. so noobs like me can do it too xD
[13:49] <k1l> well, i am following some things about ubuntu.
[13:50] <k1l> IMHO to have the choice to place the launcher is good. although it spoils all the idea behind unity and i dont use it because i have way more with than hight on my monitors.
[13:50] <k1l> i even set the win10 taskbar to be at the left.
[13:53] <boern> but when you need width its better to place it on the bottom
[13:53] <boern> depends on your needs
[13:53] <boern> so year, good to have to choice
[13:54] <boern> one to too much x)
[13:58] <k1l> but to place it at the bottom it spoils the advantage of the the mouse centric behaviour to the upper left corner
[13:58] <boern> oh year i just see it.. i have to move my mouse even more
[13:58] <boern> okay left is really better
[13:59] <boern> you convinced me
[14:00] <k1l> for the launcher you can use autohide. that works quite good.
[14:01] <k1l> on windows that is not the same, since it also hides the systray and clock.
[14:02] <boern> is autohide a tool?
[14:02] <k1l> no, its a setting for the launcher
[14:03] <boern> ah okay thanks
[14:03] <elh9> launcher/taskbar on the left is golden
[14:04] <elh9> <3 extra vert screen space
[14:06] <boern> sometimes i wish installing a program on ubuntu/linux would be as seemless and consistent as on OS X
[14:07] <boern> OS X just drag in the folder and you are good to go.. ubuntu/linux are so many diffent ways thats really confusing for the average user
[14:07] <elh9> yeh but you pay the price boern
[14:07] <elh9> for the convenience on OS X
[14:07] <elh9> try to create a folder in protected system folders
[14:08] <elh9> gotta boot in safe mode, turn of csrutil and only then...
[14:08] <boern> hmm.. why would i do that?
[14:09] <elh9> well
[14:09] <elh9> for example, htop is a great program
[14:09] <k1l> boern: use apt or softwarecenter to install a program from the repos. or use a PPA. or use a .deb
[14:09] <elh9> try install it on OS X
[14:09] <k1l> for some programs, who dont want the easy way for the user, you need to run other ways.
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> the software center is different in xenial
[14:10] <boern> for example xampp: i download a .run file for XAMPP.. i have to install it via terminal and then its not event listed in my launcher.. i have to start it via command... WHY
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> well, it *looks* different
[14:10] <Pici> Why would you use xmapp when you can use the lamp stack in Ubuntu?
[14:11] <k1l> xampp :(
[14:11] <Pici> Also, why would a tool without a user interface be listed on the launcher?
[14:11] <boern> because i am a windows noob and need my localhost and localhost/phpmyadmin xD
[14:11] <k1l> if you want it the hardest non ubuntu way, dont complain its not easy on ubuntu :/
[14:12] <boern> i dont even know what lamp stack is  :S
[14:13] <boern> i only know xampp
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> boern  what are you trying to do or achive?
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> achieve*
[14:13] <boern> php development with my sql
[14:13] <k1l> boern: ubuntu ships already everything that is in xampp in the ubuntu repos.
[14:13] <k1l> !lamp
[14:16] <cisstrd> want to switch my home-box over to ubuntu, considering 16.04, it's not a prodcution-server or anything, mainly storage (zfs), as long as my data is fine, I wouldn't care about possible os instabilities
[14:16] <elh9> hey boern, i was doing a lil php dev on ubuntu (with lamp), check out symfony, such a good framework, so many tutorials, so much info online, decent set of functionality etc
[14:16] <cisstrd> not sure if I should go with 15.10 now (and upgrade later) or go with 16.04 after the final beta freeze
[14:16] <Pici> boern: btw, the reason you'd really want our LAMP over xampp is twofold: 1) you get no security updates with xampp, 2) you won't get any support for problems with xampp here or any other Ubuntu irc channel.
[14:16] <elh9> makes your life very easy in terms of interacting with the mysql db (or postgress or whatever other common sql driver u use)
[14:16] <elh9> uses doctrine for interactinos with mysql, so freakn powerful
[14:17] <elh9> /j #symfony
[14:17] <boern> okay i will try thank you :)
[14:17] <boern> i am always open to new ways.. but i need to know them :D
[14:18] <elh9> it may take a few hours to get use to it, but if you are already familiar with php you are pretty much good to go
[14:18] <elh9> and once you see what it's doing, you can make a social media site in under an hour
[14:22] <boern> localhost is working.. but where is my http://localhost/phpmyadmin?
[14:23] <elh9> you may need to edit your httpd.conf
[14:23] <k1l> cisstrd: considering zfs it might be better to go with 16.04. but its not included in the installer, iirc
[14:23] <elh9> allow access
[14:23] <elh9> k1l, i'm about to setup a zfs array alongside my snapraid array, whats the deal with 16.04 and zfs?
[14:24] <elh9> oh wait, i forgot im in #ubuntu+1 no worries
[14:26] <cisstrd> k1l: what do I have to expect from using 16.04? reading mailing lists and doing daily updates till release time?
[14:27] <k1l> cisstrd: if all goes well it should be stable with a lot of updates every day. but it could be that some programs dont work or the system doesnt work.
[14:28] <k1l> for me it works, but since some days vlc crashes the whole system when using my dvb-t hardware.
[14:28] <cisstrd> k1l: which would be fine, as long as it doesn't screw up my zpools
[14:28] <cisstrd> I know I won't get a guarantee that it won't but that's very unlikely I assume
[14:28] <k1l> well, no one can guarantee that
[14:28] <cisstrd> :D
[14:28] <k1l> you only get a big "told you so" if you come here complaining all your data is gone ;p
[14:29] <cisstrd> which is fine
[14:29] <cisstrd> that's what development is
[14:29] <cisstrd> but it's unlikely given the beta freeze right? :D
[14:29] <k1l> we never know.
[14:30] <k1l> you can ask 100 times but that wont change it to someone making a guarantee for you :)
[14:30] <k1l> if you can risk this: go with 16.04. if you cant risk it: stay on stable releases.
[14:31] <k1l> i can risk it on my daily machine. so i am using 16.04 right now. but i have a diualboot and i know how to get a working system quick if something goes bad.
[14:32] <cisstrd> k1l: one last thing, I see only desktop images are provided I can still do a minimal install right?
[14:34] <k1l> you can use the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ one
[14:34] <cisstrd> k1l: ah thanks :)
[14:35] <genii> Lubuntu has also a minimal
[14:35] <elh9> k1l, whats ur method of getting a working system quick if sometihng goes bad?
[14:35] <elh9> or is that the dual boot you mentined?
[14:35] <k1l> ah yeah, the lubuntu one got the alternate isos
[14:36] <k1l> elh9: either fixing what is wrong or rolling back to a working system.
[14:37] <elh9> yeh cool
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> move the launcher bar to the bottom: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> (unity)
[15:14] <boern> i have a problem with video playback in chrome/firefox (html5&flash).. i have little stutter from time to time when i watch a video.. do you know how to fix this? i am running on ubuntu 16.04, but i had this issue on linux mint 17.3 as well(same computer)
[15:15] <boern> i tried mulitiple graphic drivers from the "additional drivers" program but its still the same
[15:15] <boern> i have gtx 745
[15:16] <boern> the sutter is audio & video
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows if telegram-desktop gonna be added to xenial?
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> i already have telegram desktop, so yes
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> wait, guess i deleted it
[16:11] <MonkeyDust> odd, i did have it, though
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: well its not really an install
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> boern: fresh install or upgrade?
[16:19] <boern> lotuspsychje fresh install
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> boern: did you tried all drivers?
[16:20] <boern> lotuspsychje: graphic card drivers?
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> yes
[16:21] <boern> yes, there are 2 proprietary from nvidia (340 and 361) i tried both and i have the same issue
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> boern: did you try the -updates versions aswell?
[16:21] <boern> when i use the open source driver i have massive text glitches trough out the while system
[16:22] <boern> what do you mean with -updates versions?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> boern: go check your additional drivers section
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> boern: should show like 340 and 340-updates
[16:23] <k1l> did you reboot after changing the driver?
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> boern: also install chromium-browser with pepperflash and test glitches in online video's
[16:24] <boern> http://postimg.org/image/o4bssldbl/ this is all i have
[16:24] <boern> yes i did
[16:25] <boern> i havent tried chromium.. but on firefox its the same issue.. with both flash and html5
[16:25] <boern> i tried the "tested" one but its not better
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> boern: thats why i asked, have you tested them all one by one, your list shows nvidia-361-updates too
[16:26] <boern> oh.. ahm sorry i havent seen that :S
[16:26] <boern> i will try brb
[16:26] <boern> thank you!
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> boern: try if it performs better on video perhaps
[16:27] <boern> okay, is it an updated version?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> newest revision
[16:29] <boern> but confusion but okay .. i will try brb!
[16:31] <boern> okay so now i will test.. thanks for now!
[16:37] <salamanderrake> is there an nvidia ppa?
[16:37] <salamanderrake> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/100577/en-us latest stable nvidia driver released today, 364.12 has vulkan, wayland, mir support
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: its advised to try the drivers ubuntu provides first
[16:40] <salamanderrake> the drivers ubuntu provide are not 364.12
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: not yet
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: also 16.04 is still in development phase
[16:41] <k1l> released today, why is it not in the repos since yesterday? ;p
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:45] <salamanderrake> exactly k1l
[16:45] <salamanderrake> I am wondering the same thing.
[16:45] <k1l> :)
[16:46] <k1l> i dont know if they will make it into the official repo. but they will be put into some ppa at least.
[16:46] <salamanderrake> yeah
[16:47] <salamanderrake> the problem is it will be put in more then one, vulkan, mir, wayland related ppas
[16:49] <salamanderrake> actually I think it will be put into the official repo at some point because of the mir support.
[16:49] <salamanderrake> is ubuntu mir still a thing?
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> !mir
[16:50] <salamanderrake> slated for 14.04, when is that getting released?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> hmm nvm that
[16:50] <salamanderrake> might want to update that statement
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> k1l: ^ can you guys adapt that trigger?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> salamanderrake: unity7 will still be default on 16.04 and unity8 installable, default unity8/mir in 16.10 estimated
[16:52] <salamanderrake> ah ok
[16:52] <k1l> its somewhat installable since 14.04. but its not the default
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> so inclusion still counts
[16:54] <k1l> that is somewhat misleading but we have only limited space on the factoid and the whole mir history doesnt fit :)
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> wb
[17:06] <MonkeyDust> there
[17:06] <MonkeyDust> cinnamon DE turns black and freezes in xenial
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> same issue since i installed xenial, some 2 weeks ago
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> Mate now
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: did you try unity sidebar to bottom yet?
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  yes, it's weird, but autohide works better
[17:10] <MonkeyDust> then i reasoned: with the launcher on the bottom, i can as well use mate
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> loving my new wallpaper, though ... http://posbrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Interior-Design.jpg
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: nice1 mate, like it minimal
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> maybe an idea for a new wallpaper set: interiors
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: i recently downloaded the whole ubuntu wall collection
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: cant recall if there was interior
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> there will be, in the near future ;)
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> currently we have more nature and landscapes
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> true
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: didnt find too much: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-September1107-64664476
[17:56] <Bingo> I say, March 24 release Xenial 16.04 beta 2, online??  If so, is it running well?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Bingo: wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> Bingo  it runs, ok, there are a few display glitches, though
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> i'm happy with it
[18:04] <Bingo> mir. Unity 8  ?
[18:04] <k1l> question ?
[18:04] <Bingo> they cut off the graphics drivers.
[18:05] <Bingo> i need a box that will supplant my graphics
[18:05] <Bingo> ok tyvm folks. for tha info.
[18:06] <k1l> Bingo: can you make sentences that actually make sense?
[18:06] <k1l> ok, he cant
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:08] <MonkeyDust> 'tha info', that's 'hiphop language'
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> hiphop monologue :p
[18:10] <dasjoe> Maybe it's a Haiku?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> yes thats it
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> problems....unity8....!cookie
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> a haiku must have an element from nature in it ... wind, or trees, or leaves etc
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> oh
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> xerus?
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> only if it's xenial
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[18:49] <Asad2005> Can i upgrade directly from 12.04.5 LTS to the latest 16.04 image directly
[18:50] <k1l> Asad2005: no
[18:50] <Asad2005> Or do i have to upgrade in steps
[18:50] <k1l> you need to update to 14.04 and then you can use the developer LTS path to 16.04
[18:51] <Asad2005> k1l: with update-manager -d
[18:51] <k1l> when you are on 14.04 and the release prompt is set to LTS, yes
[18:52] <genii> Asad2005: LTA to LTS direct upgrade does not become an option until point release, so you won't get a notice until 16.04.1 arrives
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> Asad2005  you can do that as of 16.04.1
[18:54] <Asad2005> So when 16.04 is finally release i can do directly to 16.04?
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> Asad2005  no, not 16.04 ... 16.04.1
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> Asad2005  in a terminal, type   cat /etc/issue
[18:55] <Asad2005> ok thanks
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> Asad2005  do you see the .4 ?
[18:58] <Asad2005> MonkeyDust: I have shut down the lap top, i will upgrade tomorrow to 14.04 then to 16.04
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> Asad2005  what is it now?
[18:59] <Asad2005> 12.04
[19:00] <Asad2005> 12.04.5 LTS
[19:25] <ChibaPet> Is the required jump to 14.04 documented somewhere? Debian-based systems are often very good at jumping versions, in my experience.
[19:26] <k1l> ChibaPet: i would not recommend to jump versions
[19:26] <ChibaPet> Right. I'm just curious.
[19:26] <ChibaPet> For production stuff it seems better to redeploy from scratch in any event.
[19:28] <k1l> well no. the updates have automated testing  and work since some time
[19:28] <k1l> my system here wsa installed as 13.10 and made every upgrade since then
[19:29] <ChibaPet> Depends on the environment I guess.
[19:30] <ChibaPet> A common plan is to tie hardware and software lifecycle together, in which case updating major versions would be largely irrelevant.
[19:31] <ChibaPet> For budget-constrained environments, upgrading is far more common. (Home, small business, etc.) And FWIW, I like the ability to cleanly upgrade from version to version. Bothers me that the other side of the fence doesn't do it.
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> ChibaPet  'tie hardware and software' sounds as windows logic to me
[19:38] <boern> hey i have used every graphics card driver (gtx 745) and i still have video sutter in my browser.. with html5 and flash video.. can anyone tell mich how to solve this?
[19:38] <boern> tell me*
[19:38] <ChibaPet> MonkeyDust: It's pretty common in enterprise environments with planned hardware lifecycles, and it often matches what you get with support contracts from big appliance vendors.
[19:39] <ChibaPet> boern: Which driver do you have installed/running?
[19:40] <ChibaPet> MonkeyDust: For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_asset_management
[19:40] <boern> ChibaPet: http://postimg.org/image/f1n3c9kl7/ i have used every single one of them
[19:41] <boern> of course with restart every time
[19:41] <boern> but it just wont help
[19:43] <ChibaPet> boern: Just out of curiosity, if you say 'glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"' does it say 'Yes'?
[19:43] <ChibaPet> Although I have yet to see the supplied packages fail to suppress Nouveau.
[19:44] <boern> direct rendering: Yes
[19:45] <ChibaPet> boern: Another thing I'd do is save off a screen tearing test and view it with an offline video program.
[19:45] <ChibaPet> You want to rule out the web browser as the culprit.
[19:46] <ChibaPet> If you search YouTube for "tearing test" you can find a bunch.
[19:48] <boern> ChibaPet: and see if the videos lacks offline?
[19:48] <ChibaPet> yes
[19:49] <ChibaPet> If it does, it's possibly an issue with your browser, and not your video pipeline.
[19:51] <boern> these hickups in the browser dont happen so ofen.. lets say once every 10 minutes
[19:51] <boern> often
[19:51] <boern> and there is no hickup at the moment even in the browser
[19:51] <ChibaPet> That makes me suspect the network connection, honestly.
[19:51] <ChibaPet> If you had a problem with your video drivers you'd see it with greater frequency than that.
[19:52] <boern> but my internet is fast :o
[19:52] <boern> okay i have google chrome.. i will try chromium
[19:53] <ChibaPet> Speed, latency, and end to end reliability are not generally related.
[19:53] <boern> okay.. but listen to music in google play music runs without problems
[19:54] <boern> well i will try chromium
[19:55] <boern> okay just had a lag again
[19:55] <boern> the lag always feels if the videos loops for a short time
[19:55] <boern> and firefox is not better either
[19:56] <boern> and on windows (same pc/internet) there is no such issue..
[19:57] <boern> i really always wanna give linux a chance but such things always let me move aways.. thats so frustrating
[19:57] <boern> and i also had is that issue on linux mint 17.3, so its not that ubuntu 16.04 is in beta
[20:01] <ChibaPet> If Windows doesn't show the issue, then it's likely not network. I'd still blame your browser first, before graphics drivers.
[20:01] <ChibaPet> Either way, testing offline is a really good idea.
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> are internet videos a reason to choose an os?
[20:14] <salamanderrake> did a fullupgrade and now pulseaudio is dead or someting, because now audio defaults to alsa.
[20:19] <salamanderrake> how do I make sure my default audio is pulse and not alsa
[21:15] <ChibaPet> salamanderrake: PulseAudio often defecates on its own binary state. Try removing ~/.pulse and see if it rights itself.
[23:02] <salamanderrake> ChibaPet: I had no ~/.pulse
[23:05] <hilxx> .oO( hehe ... technically you died. )
[23:05] <ChibaPet> heh
[23:06] <ChibaPet> salamanderrake: Sadly, that's exhausted my store of PulseAudio debugging tips. On this end, I delete it out of hand, because it's been horribly unstable for me while providing no value whatsoever.
[23:06] <ChibaPet> (Once... Once... I used it to set up a chain to save audio from Firefox to a file. Not sure there was another way at the time, or now, in fact.)
[23:18] <salamanderrake> pulse audio is not starting
[23:18] <salamanderrake> like there is on pules.service or pluseaudio.service
[23:19] <salamanderrake> sorry I forgot pulseaudio is supposed to be started via individual
[23:19] <salamanderrake>  pulseaudio --start
[23:19] <salamanderrake> N: [pulseaudio] main.c: User-configured server at {cf2083cb7527494a9308e072d8b7799b}unix:/run/user/1000/pulse/native, which appears to be local. Probing deeper.
[23:20] <salamanderrake> first unity dies and now pulseaudio


[00:19] <philipballew_> hey can someone help me compleate this opperation on my system http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1728905 the bottom last post.
[00:21] <philipballew_> Its on an oem installiation and I want to just edit the text files but am stuck on the last step of add/appends vga-758 to the kernel boot line in 10_linux section
[04:58] <pleia2> SCaLE talk accepted \o/
[05:00] <akk> yay!
[05:00] <akk> What's your talk?
[05:00] <pleia2> "Bringing Linux into Public Schools and Community Centers"
[05:00] <akk> excellent!
[05:01] <pleia2> :)
[06:29] <nhaines> greg-g: it's more fun this way.  :)
[06:29] <nhaines> pleia2: congrats!  :D
[06:41] <philipballew> pleia2, the our can probably just be removed
[06:42] <philipballew> he has a busy plate as well
[07:26] <bkerensa> nhaines: Hey hey now... I'm from California.... I just dont happen to live there :P
[07:26] <bkerensa> I was born in the state Capitol even ;)
[07:37] <nhaines> bkerensa: details.  ;)
[07:37] <nhaines> bkerensa: Hehe, just teasing.  I'm glad you're around and also working on your own LoCo too!
[07:38] <bkerensa> nhaines: :P
[15:26] <nhaines> Woo, at work early.
[18:51] <MarkDude> akk,  how do do the shirt that D won?
[18:52] <MarkDude> Send it to your house- or just mine and meet up
[18:52] <MarkDude> ?
[18:54] <akk> He's not being very helpful -- says "at your convenience, whichever way you prefer to deal with it".
[18:55] <akk> Are they mailing it anyway? If they are, sending it here probably makes the most sense.
[19:34] <MarkDude> Well, I can order it tonight, and have it sent directly to you
[19:34] <MarkDude> I need to do a report on the event


[23:54] <ibeardslee> Anyone have any idea if/when Firefox 57 is likely to end up in the Ubuntu repos?
[23:56] <ajmitch_> ibeardslee: I can see it's already in the PPA from where it's copied into the archive
[23:59] <ibeardslee> ok, I may need to start an email about how (if possible) to revert for some people.