[00:01] <jose> infinity: just so you know, voice will be automatically added when people re-join the channel, it's an automagic feature
[00:01] <infinity> jose: I know.  I don't have the chanserv permissions to fix that.
[00:01] <jose> ok then :)
[00:01] <infinity> I'll let Colin deal with it later.
[00:22] <saiarcot895> Is it true that upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 is not possible yet?
[00:23] <infinity> saiarcot895: lts->lts upgrades are only turned on after the first point release.
[00:23] <ogra_> you can upgrade ...
[00:23] <ogra_> it isnt offered automatically yet
[00:24] <saiarcot895> ah, ok
[00:24] <wgrant> The release announcement even says that :)
[00:25] <wgrant> LTS upgrades are enabled after the first point release, usually around three months later.
[00:25] <ogra_> yeah, but who reads that
[00:25] <ogra_> if infinity had just mailed "It's out dudes !!!" that would have been enough :)
[00:26] <infinity> I'll keep that in mind for next time.
[00:26] <ogra_> heh
[00:27] <Thedemon007> i have problem with chromium of 12.04, no played youtube videos say undefined errror :S
[00:28] <ogra_> Thedemon007, general support is in #ubuntu
[00:28] <saiarcot895> Thedemon007: 12.04 or 14.04?
[00:29] <Thedemon007> 12.04
[00:29] <infinity> saiarcot895 / Thedemon007: Please take it to #ubuntu
[00:29] <Thedemon007> ok
[00:33] <Thedemon007>  i add a debdiff for update the package xserver-xorg-video-openchrome-lts-saucy in the bug #1205643 .. I guessed before that this is automatically updated to be updated package saucy. But apparently not the case :S
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1205643 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome-lts-saucy (Ubuntu) "VIA P4M800 graphics broken in Lubuntu/Xubuntu Saucy & 12.04.4 candidate" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205643
[00:37] <michagogo|cloud> Hm, how come the LTS point release comes out after approximately 3 months?
[00:38] <michagogo|cloud> In other words, why is it getting a point release when it's the latest release, and non-LTS don't get point releases?
[00:41] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: Because only LTSes get point releases.
[00:42] <michagogo|cloud> Um, I realize that
[00:42] <michagogo|cloud> I'm wondering about the reasoning there -- why does an LTS need a point release when a non-LTS is fine the same 3 months after release?
[00:43] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: LTSes get several point releases, that's just how we do things.  It's part of making them supportable for 5 years.
[00:44] <michagogo|cloud> What's different about them that they need a PR in under 6m though?
[00:45] <michagogo|cloud> Meh, nvm
[00:45] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: What's different about them is that they get point releases.  I suspect you'll find this becomes a circular argument very quickly. :P
[00:46] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: If you're insinuating that the point releases somehow mean the LTSes are broken, that's certainly not the case.  It's that we put a lot more effort into making them supportable for the long term we've committed to.
[00:46] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: Which includes spinning new installer ISOs, polishing the upgrade processes as much as we can, etc, etc.
[00:48] <michagogo|cloud> Ah, I see -- so because the image isn't going to be considered obsolete 3 months later, it's worth the effort to come out with new and improved images?
[00:49] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: Something like that, yes.
[00:50] <infinity> michagogo|cloud: As for the timing of the first, there are two reason.  The point releases are every 6 months and staggered against regular releases so they don't collide.  And the first one is in 3mo instead of 9mo because we use that 3mo to make sure it's as polished as possible before turning on lts->lts automatic upgrades.
[00:50] <michagogo|cloud> Ahhhhhh.
[00:51] <michagogo|cloud> Okay, I missed the staggering part :-)
[00:51] <michagogo|cloud> Sorry to bother you, thanks for helping me understand
[01:17] <superm1> infinity: between tgm4883 myself and popey we gave a few times over on the mythbuntu ISO's and things look good now
[01:51] <infinity> superm1: Alright, I'll push those out and call it done, then.
[01:54] <infinity> superm1: Done, and pushing out to mirrors.
[01:59] <superm1> Thanks
[09:08] <john1999> I got 1 question about ubuntu 14.04 (I hope I'm not bothering)
[09:08] <john1999> why does it use /etc/X11/XF86Config instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (is it a newer version or a mistake?)
[13:12] <ScottK> When it gets to be time to work on toolchain for "U", doko asked me to set up ruby2.1 as default Ruby.  Please let me know when I can sync ruby2.1 from Debian.
[13:12] <infinity> ScottK: When Mark says so.
[13:12] <ScottK> I know we're waiting on that, but I'd imagined it'd be a bit after before the archive was set up.
[13:14] <infinity> ScottK: Not much time, really.  We're just not sure when that time will happen.
[13:14] <ScottK> OK.
[13:14] <infinity> ScottK: Maybe this is a subtle attempt to force everyone to back away from their computers and play outside for the weekend.
[13:14] <ScottK> Maybe.
[13:20] <Laney> Seems to be working well
[13:21] <infinity> Laney: Well, I got to sleep in, so that's something.
[13:26] <Laney> Yeah, I have been playing outside, to be fair
[13:27] <Laney> Now I'm off to the seaside. Tara.
[13:32] <rtg> infinity, the weather in London looks reasonably nice. maybe you should be finding a pub with a view.
[13:33] <infinity> rtg: It's been nice all week, actually.
[13:34] <rtg> what little you've seen of it ?
[13:42] <xnox> rtg: we did take a stroll by the thames a least once every day, more or less.
[14:39] <bdmurray> infinity: I was looking at the release announcement and noticed that it says "Users of Ubuntu 12.10 ... will be offered an automatic upgrade to 14.04" - I'm fairly certain this isn't the case.
[14:43] <infinity> bdmurray: It was what we intended to happen.  Did we not actually make that happen?
[14:43] <infinity> :/
[14:43] <infinity> bdmurray: Or are we doing 12.10->13.10->14.04?
[14:43] <bdmurray> infinity: No, we made upgrades from 12.10 to 13.10 happen because 12.10 went EoL before 14.04
[14:44] <bdmurray> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-lts-upgrade-testing
[14:45] <infinity> bdmurray: Dangit.  I think maybe I argued for 12.10->14.04 and it didn't happen.  Oh well.  Release announcements can be wrong.
[14:45] <infinity> bdmurray: And, to be fair, if 12.10->13.10 has been working for a while, people who do automatic upgrades won't be on 12.10 anymore to notice I was wrong. ;)
[14:45] <bdmurray> infinity: Well to be fair you are right and 12.10 to 14.04 was the original plan
[14:46] <bdmurray> Anyway, about that whoopsie SRU and getting it release early...
[14:46] <jose> news team, if you want to modify it I can discuss if it's possible to edit the announcement post we have on the fridge
[14:46] <infinity> bdmurray: In theory, given that we support P->T and Q->S, Q->T probably Just Works anyway, but it would take some testing before we could just flip the bit, so maybe not worth trying.
[14:47] <infinity> bdmurray: Right, lemme look at that whoopsie.
[14:48] <infinity> bdmurray: Also, for 14.04 through 16.04, I think we should be heavily testing 14.04->* and *->16.04, which makes 14.04->16.04 trivial.  Cleaning up lts->lts messes post release is a silly thing.
[14:56] <knome> good idea
[14:56] <knome> is the infrastructure ready for that?
[14:56] <infinity> It certainly is for Ubuntu.  I'd like to scale it out to provide upgrade testing for all flavours, not sure how much of that we do currently.
[14:57] <infinity> I know we do some installer testing for flavours at least, and maybe some upgrade stuff.
[14:58] <knome> right, i was thinking manual testing :)
[15:01] <infinity> Manual testing is really all about the people having time.  Sky's the limit on what you can achieve if you have the motivation and the lack of other things to do. :P
[15:02] <knome> yes, but it must be possible first
[15:02] <knome> i wouldn't imagine we would do loads of test, but we might use that for some configuration migration smoketests etc. here and there
[15:03] <knome> so if non-supported release path upgrades are possible... i'd like to know how :)
[15:04] <infinity> knome: Oh, I see what you mean, as in being able to trigger do-release-upgrade to pick an arbitrary target instead of what meta-release says, for instance.
[15:04] <knome> yep
[15:04] <infinity> So, I think the "eaisest" way to do that right now would actually just be to MitM changelogs.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <infinity> But I think we can come up with a more elegant solution. :)
[15:04] <knome> yep... i'm sure :)
[15:06] <bdmurray> it's not actually meta-release that requires changes but the dist-upgrader tarball which meta-release points to
[15:07] <bdmurray> so you could modify the release-upgrader tarball on disk and not worry about meta-release
[15:08] <knome> right...
[15:08] <infinity> Ahh, fair point.
[15:12] <knome> but anyway... i wouldn't mind more automated testing either
[15:13] <knome> what do the automated tests output currently, and would it be possible to make them save certain files after upgrades or something?
[15:14] <infinity> bdmurray: I assume you don't care about the quantal one here...
[15:14] <bdmurray> infinity: right, we'll stop accepting uploads from it next week(?) when it goes EoL
[15:19] <jibel> knome, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Upgrade/ we than stdout, the content of /var/log/dist-upgrade and the results of the post-upgrade tests
[15:20] <jibel> (everything is red today because the machine on which they run went AWOL)
[15:21] <knome> jibel, mhm, would it be possible to expand that list for a specific flavor test?
[15:22] <infinity> jibel: It's a long weekend, it's probably spending time with family.
[15:22]  * elfy read all that knome - and agrees with more automated testing
[15:24] <elfy> frankly the more we can automate for images the better given we're having such a hard time with autopilot and packages
[15:24] <jibel> infinity, that or someone turned it off before leaving for easter
[15:25] <jibel> knome, yes it's possible, it's fairly easy to add a profile, the project is lp:auto-upgrade-testing , although we are limited by the capacity of the lab
[15:25] <knome> elfy, right, and if we can get meaningful output from the tests, we can actually benefit more from them... consider if we got some information on how config files appear after upgrade
[15:26] <knome> elfy, we could practically make sure they aren't broken on upgrades
[15:26] <elfy> yep
[15:26]  * elfy needs to spend some time with the jenkins reports for the other tests we have - I do have links
[16:40] <bdmurray> I can't accept things into trusty-proposed
[16:40] <bdmurray> (<PackageUpload at 0x2b6eb456a250>, 'acceptFromQueue', 'launchpad.Edit')
[16:40] <bdmurray> I got a 401: Unauthorized
[16:46] <bdmurray> stgraber: is that something you can help with?
[17:04] <infinity> bdmurray: I'll sort that.
[17:05] <stgraber> bdmurray: ah yeah, we need to do the post-release edit-acl
[17:06] <infinity> bdmurray: Should be fixed.
[17:06] <infinity> stgraber: ^
[17:08] <bdmurray> infinity: thanks


[00:12] <xubuntu72w> Hello?
[00:14] <xubuntu72w> Well I'm not sure if anyone is around but,
[00:14] <xubuntu72w> I've got an old laptop with the latest version of xubuntu on it, it's a HP pavilion dv4-1125nr
[00:15] <xubuntu72w> On the fresh install everything was working just perfectly. Now, the screen is completely fine unless it is open at a 30ish degree angle
[00:16] <xubuntu72w> I've tried upgrading the kernel, which was suggested on a forum, but that didn't do any good
[00:17] <xubuntu72w> I know one site said to just look in the settings for "light locker settings"
[00:17] <xubuntu72w> There is absolutely no light locker setting thing in my settings manager
[00:18] <xubuntu72w> I said completely fine in an earlier statement
[00:18] <xubuntu72w> I meant completely dim
[00:18] <xubuntu72w> You can't see anything
[00:20] <xubuntu61w> not sure if anyone sees this but,
[01:32] <EightSix> hello
[01:32] <EightSix> I was wondering if anyone has expenice with running 16.10 on an apollo lake cpu?
[03:11] <xubuntu46i> Hii
[03:11] <xubuntu46i> Oi
[03:11] <xubuntu46i> Alguém me ajuda
[03:15] <xubuntu46i> ...........
[03:15] <xubuntu46i> :??
[03:16] <Unit193> !br
[03:17] <xubuntu46i> #ubuntu-br
[08:56] <xubuntu01i> bonjour
[16:03] <Jef91> Can I create a hotkey in xfce for side snapping / maximize window? If so where?
[16:03] <Jef91> I have three monitors and want to be able to easily have a window fill half of the center monitor
[16:13] <xubuntu10i> []
[16:19] <GridCube> Jef91: alt-f8/9
[16:19] <GridCube> wait
[16:20] <GridCube> f5 and f6
[16:20] <GridCube> http://www.keyxl.com/aaac887/409/Xfce-Window-Manager-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
[16:22] <GridCube> mmm don't know how you could make it snap to a side without using wmctrl
[16:28] <Jef91> GridCube, how would I do that?
[16:28] <Jef91> basically just want to emulate how windows works with superkey+left / right arrow
[16:28] <GridCube> no idea, sorry
[16:32] <GridCube> Jef91: i don't know if this still works, its 7 years old http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/aero-snap-ubuntu-linux
[16:32] <GridCube> don't think that compiz manager is still around
[16:34] <GridCube> Jef91: you also have this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X0gng_-qk which is also pretty old, but not as old
[16:34] <GridCube> XD
[16:41] <GridCube> oh boy, now i feel silly Jef91 P: xfce has tiling options already built in
[16:41] <Jef91> GridCube, neat, where are they? Still learning my way around.
[16:41] <GridCube> Jef91: go to window manager settings then to keyboard and look for tiling
[16:42] <GridCube> you can make it snap to the top to the bottom to each side and to each corner
[16:43] <Jef91> GridCube, ahh awesome!
[16:43] <Jef91> It is kind of confusing that isn't listed with the other keybindings
[16:43] <Jef91> under keyboard
[16:43] <Jef91> but I have what I want now
[16:43] <Jef91> perfect
[16:43] <GridCube> :P
[18:56] <neutrinora> hello
[21:00] <yon2> i just installed xubuntu on my laptop with a 4k screen. how do i get it so that it doesn't look terrible (tiny window borders, small fonts, etc)
[21:00] <Jef91> Is there any way to add "move to monitor" to the right click menu on the title bar of windows in XFCE? Kind of like how you can right click to move to other work spaces on the same monitor.


[10:56] <Deano59> where does LXQt store it's settings?
[11:38] <kc2bez> Deano59: Most user settings get stored in `~/.config`
[15:19] <Deano59> my settings aren't sticking after a reboot. I copied over: lxqt.conf and lxqt-config-appearance.conf but every-time I reboot or logout, I have to manually select openbox and my shortcuts are reset too.
[15:24] <Deano59> can I fix that somehow? :D
[17:26] <Deano59> no one? or should I ask in #ubuntu?
[17:26] <Maik> or read the manual?
[17:27] <Maik> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/
[17:43] <kc2bez[m]> I don't have a good answer Deano59:  the only thing I can think is the defaults overwrite the user data.
[17:44] <kc2bez[m]> I can say that upstream doesn't advise manually updating configuration files. They suggest using the GUI tools.
[17:44] <Deano59> gui tools?
[17:44] <Maik> Graphic User Interface tools
[17:45] <kc2bez[m]> Right, the lxqt settings from the menu
[17:45] <Deano59> it wasn't manually updated. I took lxqt.conf and the other from a working system. THEN copied over to another system; before lxqt booted.
[17:45] <Deano59> Maik: I know what gui tools is lol
[17:45] <Maik> Deano59: then be more clear
[17:46] <Maik> a lot is mentioned in the manual i guess :)
[17:47] <Deano59> which setting actually applies the openbox etc? what's the conf file called?
[17:49] <kc2bez[m]> `~/.config/openbox/lxqt-rc.xml`
[17:51] <Deano59> should that be in ~/.config/lxqt too?
[17:52] <kc2bez[m]> No
[17:59] <Deano59> then it must auto delete itself because I always have to select openbox.
[18:04] <krytarik> Deano59: Do you even log in to the "Lubuntu" session?
[18:08] <Deano59> nah, lxqt.
[18:09] <Deano59> Maik: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cmpNcv4Dvy/
[18:10] <Deano59> Maik: the manual doesn't help but thanks.
[18:54] <Deano59> ugh, what the?! unplugged my external hdd. rebooted, and was never asked to confirm openbox. :/


[20:02] <azizLIGHT> i got onto my dads computer via livecd in teamviewer. what can i do to troubleshoot why their os doesnt detect any boot device on regular bootup without linux livecd?
[20:02] <ikonia> this is not an ubuntu problem - please stop asking
[20:03] <azizLIGHT> s/os/bios/
[20:03] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, does it give any options or so?
[20:03] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: question, how did you shrink the windows partition before installing ubuntu?
[20:03] <AQLIVE_> in the bottom there is quit, list, org bs, rebuild bs, dump,copy bootsectorover backup sector
[20:04] <goddard> how can i installed google chrome in a chroot or container?
[20:04] <AQLIVE_> I selected other the installer menu and then I selected to install linux on a partition that was notthe windeos
[20:04] <ikonia> goddard: same way as a normal install
[20:05] <cdk_> ok? you would know what os i am running how??
[20:05] <ikonia> the whole point of being chrooted is that you are in that root directory
[20:05] <ikonia> cdk_: because you're talking about it in other channels, and I can see what you're typing
[20:05] <ikonia> so stop trying to dodge it and just deal with it in mint
[20:05] <prodigel> Funny message I got when trying to restart apache after setting up a new virtualhost (with errors): [....] Starting apache2 (via systemctl): apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: nothign funny about that - check the config
[20:06] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try repair bs
[20:06] <prodigel> Am I supposed to learn the systemd OS to read the error logs nowadays, or is there a way to disable the apache / systemd coupling?
[20:06] <AQLIVE_> there is not repair
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: what ?
[20:06] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: this page is pretty interesting and might help http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_NTFS_Boot_and_MFT_Repair
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: I told you to check the conifg
[20:07] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with "the system"
[20:07] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: repair bs? you mentioned it earlier
[20:07] <cdk_> so what if i am on other channels getting help?
[20:08] <AQLIVE_> nope rebuild bs
[20:08] <prodigel> @ikonia: I was used to check the apache error.log file. I can see now that that's not the case anymore
[20:08] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: oh ok, try it
[20:08] <ikonia> prodigel: you can still check the apache log file
[20:08] <ikonia> you can still look in the syslog
[20:09] <ikonia> but it's not starting because the config for apache is broken, which is why I've said, look at the apache config
[20:09] <prodigel> ikonia, I got that, I know exactly what the problem is. But I'm used to work with apache in a way - read APACHE's logs - and now it's not happening anymore like that
[20:10] <prodigel> I was asking for a way to disable this behavior
[20:10] <ikonia> prodigel: as I've said - you can still read apaches logs and the syslog EXACTLY the same as before
[20:10] <ikonia> prodigel: there is no behaviour to disble
[20:11] <prodigel> ikonia, apache logs are not reporting anything, syslog does indeed.
[20:11] <ikonia> prodigel: apache will only report if it's an apache error, this is not, this is a config error
[20:11] <AQLIVE_> Eric: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13455921/
[20:12] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, try rebuild bs
[20:13] <AQLIVE_> that is what I did and then I get that message
[20:13] <AQLIVE_> or status
[20:13] <the_count> Bashing-om: Whoops, I was gone there for a while but signed in...
[20:13] <the_count> Bashing-om: Did you see what I said last  night to TJ-?
[20:14] <Edwardd> I did not see...
[20:14] <AQLIVE_> so what now
[20:14] <Bashing-om> the_count: :) .. I bounce around a lot too .. What is the status ? // No I must have left before the esteemed TJ- joined .
[20:15] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try to get a windows cd and run chkdsk
[20:15] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: you could quit testdisk and try mounting again, but it doesn't look like it fixed it
[20:15] <AQLIVE_> ok and not repair instead of an installation
[20:15] <Edwardd> You can do that with out windows cd
[20:16] <AQLIVE_> what will a chkdsk do
[20:16] <nbrecht01> Hello!
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> !who | Edwardd
[20:16] <cdk_> any help with grub?
[20:16] <Edwardd> Oh excuse me
[20:17] <nbrecht01> cdk_: Waht kind of help do you need
[20:17] <the_count> Bashing-om: Last evening, my wifi stopped working, so I had a thought to try ' sudo service lightdm restart ' to see if I wouldn't have to reboot, anyway, It was taking too long, so I reset the machine, and Lo and Behold... The display/cousor was working again.... Although synaptics still has problems
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> eric: what will chkdsk do?
[20:18] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: run a filesystem check i guess
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> and whould it be better to do repair with the installation cd
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> that will not leave me with a working system just a check
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> ???
[20:19] <Edwardd> Yes
[20:19] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: no, it will fix it too
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> ok I'll try it then.
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> thanks for all you help so far.
[20:19] <Edwardd> You are welcome.
[20:19] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: do you have important data on it?
[20:19] <Bashing-om> the_count: I am really at a loss as to how to find the problem in touchpad .
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> I chat to you when I've tried it
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> and yes I do why?
[20:20] <the_count> Bashing-om: TJ- said it was most likely a firmware problem
[20:20] <the_count> Bashing-om: That causet the display issues
[20:20] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: you might be able to copy the data to your ubuntu from testdisk
[20:20] <the_count> s/causet/caused
[20:20] <EriC^^> right now i mean before running any repairs, in case it's important stuff
[20:21] <EriC^^> chkdsk could potentially screw it up more who knows
[20:21] <Bilel_mk> hey did any one can help me ! how to desinsatll a program installed with wine from terminal??
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> !wine | Bilel_mk
[20:22] <the_count> Bashing-om: As am I... I got to eat lunch now.. I will be back in a short while
[20:22] <sisve_> So... I'm doing a "sudo apt-get install openstack; sudo openstack-install" and it ... goes slowly. Anyone know of a workaround for a presumed hang during the installation?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsu1tw3wlv07zsx/Screenshot%202015-11-22%2021.20.38.png
[20:22] <ikonia> sisve_: slow it not hung
[20:23] <sisve_> ikonia: Same thing about 2.5 hours ago... https://www.dropbox.com/s/9p5v2yqlti76qxu/Screenshot%202015-11-22%2017.57.29.png
[20:23] <ikonia> sisve_: cancel the install then, and try again
[20:24] <Bilel_mk> j/ #winehq
[20:24] <custom> Hey guys...what program do you all use to put your Linux OS ISO to USB drive?
[20:25] <EriC^^> custom: on linux or windows?
[20:25] <bekks> custom: dd
[20:25] <custom> linux
[20:25] <EriC^^> custom: dd is nice
[20:25] <custom> dd is command line
[20:25] <custom> right?
[20:25] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:25] <custom> i read about it
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> custom: usb disk creator from ubuntu
[20:26] <custom> hmmmmm
[20:26] <hasaan> hi
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> custom: or multisystem
[20:27] <Pertinacious> Chill
[20:27] <Pertinacious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N81fm-h4Vi4
[20:27] <Guy1524> hey guys I am trying to install wine1.7 on my ubuntu 15.10 installation and I have added the ppa and did sudo apt-get update but when I try to install using sudo apt-get install wine1.7 I get this: http://pastebin.com/k3mzas48  Any ideas?
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | Guy1524
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> Guy1524: its reccomended to use package versions for your specific ubuntu version mate
[20:28] <Guy1524> oh
[20:29] <Bashing-om> !wine | Guy1524
[20:29] <Bashing-om> Guy1524: Not what I had in mind . ^^
[20:30] <EriC^^> Guy1524: try sudo apt-get install wine1.7-amd64
[20:30] <EriC^^> see what it says
[20:30] <Bashing-om> !info wine
[20:30] <Guy1524> ok
[20:30] <Guy1524> http://pastebin.com/x9ZnqKSX
[20:31] <Guy1524> is this the right ppa?  ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> Guy1524  find wine in the repos (software center), you don't need a ppa
[20:32] <Guy1524> ok
[20:32] <the_count> Bashing-om: Say we did completeley remove this kernel and reinstall it from scratch, through that, could we get a "clean install" effect?
[20:33] <Guy1524> I want wine1.7 though
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Guy1524
[20:33] <Guy1524> yes but many applications work better on wine 1.7
[20:33] <MrNose> yes but many applications work better on wine 1.7
[20:34] <nbrecht01> If you really want it, download the .deb file OR compile from source
[20:34] <sisve_> ikonia: Just to add some response, the uninstall is borked and I think I need to reformat my machine now. This isn't really unexpected, I've been failing and reformatting openstack since thursday.
[20:34] <custom> i dont see a USB Disk Creater
[20:34] <custom> link?
[20:34] <EriC^^> Guy1524: try sudo apt-get install libgphoto2-port10
[20:34] <ikonia> sisve_: why is the uninstall broken ?
[20:34] <Guy1524> I already removed the ppa
[20:35] <Guy1524> I am just going to use playonlinux
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> custom: its the hd icon with ubuntu circle on it
[20:35] <custom> ok.. i found that
[20:35] <Guy1524> thanks anyway
[20:35] <custom> Startup Disc Creater
[20:35] <sisve_> ikonia: Technically, the install is broken. Both the Ubuntu "openstack-installer" and the devstack installer (both stable and latest). I've tracked it down to AppArmor denying the code something, and the machine is in an unknown state.
[20:35] <MrNose> ikonia: Technically, the install is broken. Both the Ubuntu "openstack-installer" and the machine is in an unknown state.
[20:35] <custom> and that should do the trick
[20:35] <Bashing-om> the_count: The only "clean install effect " is a clean fresh install . Not to say we can not play around and see what does result with a (re-)install of the kernel. Was there not a newer kernel installed in the update process ? have you tried this new kernel ?
[20:36] <logy> hi ppl, one quick qustion. If i encrypt my disk and home folder will that slow down the speed of my laptop?
[20:36] <custom> Thanks guys
[20:36] <custom> later
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> custom: wich linux distro are you planning to create an usb for?
[20:36] <custom> well Black Lab Linux
[20:36] <custom> the live distro works pretty well
[20:36] <MrNose> the live distro works pretty well
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> custom: not sure that will work with ubuntu disk creator
[20:36] <sisve_> I get some vibes indicating that MrNose may be repeating what people are writing.
[20:36] <MrNose> sisve_: I get some vibes indicating that may be repeating what people are writing.
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> custom: try yumi,unetbootin or multisystem
[20:37] <nbrecht01> logy: It might slow down opening/closing files on the encrypted partition, but it will not slow down the applications.
[20:37] <custom> i did try unetbooting
[20:37] <the_count> Bashing-om: be back with you in 5min
[20:37] <custom> or whaterver it was
[20:37] <custom> it worked..but it was slow
[20:37] <cassielfsw> hi all! I have an upgrade question
[20:37] <custom> maybe thats as good as it gets though
[20:38] <custom> Thanks for the help
[20:38] <cassielfsw> is it still possible to upgrade from an .iso? I have 15.04 and have downloaded 15.10 and mounted the iso but there doesn't appear to be an autorun or anything
[20:38] <logy> nbrecht01: well i just installed ubuntu and i choosed to encrypt my hdd and home folder, it works faster than non ecrypted xD, propably because its a fresh install. Well i will see if it slows down too much i will reinstall it normally. Thx by the way :)
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> cassielfsw: there's a way to install iso's with grub
[20:40] <The_Ball> I have an install of utopic, I can't find any repos for updating before upgrading. archives.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to have utopic any longer
[20:40] <cassielfsw> lotuspsychje: meaning what?
[20:40] <The_Ball> Is there any way I can upgrade?
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> cassielfsw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[20:40] <sisve_> cassielfsw, lotuspsychje; I do not know about live updates or using grub, but you can easily write the iso to a usb stick and boot from it.
[20:40] <nbrecht01> Encrypting the entire HDD will slow down your laptop, because that is where the kernel/programs are stored. Just encrypting the /home will not slow it down, there are no programs there. (Although, there are some config files...)
[20:40] <the_count> Bashing-om: I don't believe a newer kernel was installed, what is current?
[20:41] <ioria> cassielfsw, why did you mount the iso ? boot from it  . as far as i remember there should be a menu entry like 'update to 15.10' ...
[20:42] <cassielfsw> ioria: because I don't have a blank cd on hand and was trying to be a little lazy.
[20:42] <logy> guys is there a wy to remotely connect and control another ubuntu distro, but NOT using teamviewer
[20:42] <ioria> cassielfsw, i see
[20:42] <sisve_> logy: Normal ssh?
[20:42] <The_Ball> Oh, looks like old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is the place
[20:42] <EriC^^> cassielfsw: you can't upgrade from the iso, it will fresh install
[20:42] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | The_Ball
[20:42] <sisve_> logy: Or are you talking about remote controlling with ui? Perhaps vnc?
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> logy: ssh
[20:42] <ioria> cassielfsw, you can do-release-upgrade
[20:42] <logy> sisive_: yes with ui if possible
[20:43] <cassielfsw> I've tried that several times but the download always fails
[20:43] <cassielfsw> that's why I'm trying to do it with the ISO
[20:43] <nbrecht01> Just run 'do-release-upgrade', don't bother with the ISO image.
[20:43] <ioria> cassielfsw, never done until now... sorry
[20:43] <nbrecht01> Do you know why do-release-upgrade fails?
[20:43] <EriC^^> cassielfsw: the iso won't upgrade it, it'll fresh install removing your current programs and stuff
[20:44] <bekks> !nomodeset | bekks
[20:44] <cassielfsw> it downloads some of the files and then says it timed out
[20:44] <EriC^^> The_Ball: if you don't upgrade you'll have security vulnerabilities and stuff
[20:44] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: Do you have broadband internet or DSL or somthing else?
[20:44] <cassielfsw> DSL
[20:46] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: The upgrader may think that it has lost the connection, but it is just slow. I don't know how to fix  it. Is there an option to increase the time before it times out?
[20:46] <ioria> cassielfsw, a do-release-upgrade from 04 to 10 took  me 27 minutes....  you can try from a console....
[20:46] <cassielfsw> nbrecht01: not that I've seen
[20:47] <cassielfsw> ioria: I have tried it it times out
[20:47] <ioria> cassielfsw, oh...
[20:47] <cassielfsw> are the servers still overwhelmed from release or is the rush over now?
[20:47] <nbrecht01> Hmmm... I do not know what to do other than the ISO or an internet speed upgrade.
[20:48] <k1l_> cassielfsw: "lsb_release -d" gives what output?
[20:48] <nbrecht01> I think thay calmed down.
[20:48] <ioria> cassielfsw, do you have a lot of programs installed ?
[20:48] <cassielfsw> Description:	Ubuntu 15.04
[20:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: I don't see why we can't try it
[20:48] <cassielfsw> I don't think so?
[20:48] <k1l_> cassielfsw: can you show a "sudo apt update" in a pastebin?
[20:49] <k1l_> cassielfsw: the servers  are fine. its only the question if your local mirror got some issues or your isp got old routes.
[20:50] <ioria> cassielfsw, try to change them to US
[20:50] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: Is there a way to use a different mirrior? If so, use it. It may fix the problem.
[20:50] <cassielfsw> http://pastebin.com/nkpuFw1A
[20:51] <ioria> cassielfsw, you re US :þ
[20:51] <B4sh> g wp sites?
[20:51] <Bashing-om> the_count: Sure, we can try it .. will break any proprietary drivers that we will have to deal with .. and ther is still the possibility that touchpad interface problem is in that layer . IF this is proprietary will be good to reinstall the driver anyway .
[20:51] <cassielfsw> ioria: yes? where is it not using US servers?
[20:51] <k1l_> cassielfsw: please show a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[20:52] <B4sh> anyone have any experience migrating wordpress sites?
[20:52] <B4sh> i got an error that i can't figure out
[20:52] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: B4sh: No.
[20:53] <nanodrone> i love ubuntu
[20:53] <nbrecht01> Me too
[20:53] <cassielfsw> http://pastebin.com/WP7uVahx
[20:53] <nanodrone> no other distory has good support for multitouch gestures
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | nanodrone
[20:53] <nanodrone> lotuspsychje, didn't know that
[20:54] <k1l_> cassielfsw: make a "#" in front of that line 57 in that paste (which is in sources.list"
[20:54] <the_count> Bashing-om: There are no proprietary drivers installed
[20:54] <B4sh> #wordpress
[20:54] <k1l_> cassielfsw: its linking to quantal sources, which is dead long time already
[20:55] <Bashing-om> the_count: Ok.. show now what we have for kernels ( can not remove the one we are booting ) ' dpkg -l | grep linux ' .
[20:55] <k1l_> cassielfsw: everything else looks good. so i think there should not be any issue
[20:55] <the_count> Bashing-om: Not sure about drivers and all, but take a look at this, maybe build it into the kernel...? https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop
[20:55] <Bashing-om> the_count: reading .
[20:56] <cassielfsw> k1l_: done I'll try it again
[20:56] <the_count> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13457522/
[20:56] <cassielfsw> thanks for the help
[20:56] <nbrecht01> .part
[20:59] <Bashing-om> the_count: " https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop "
[20:59] <Bashing-om>  the_count ^^ think these patches have alreasy been done in these later kernels .
[21:00] <momomo> is there a better file browser than nautilus ?
[21:00] <wafflejock1> momomo: better is subjective, I like nemo
[21:00] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok, i was not sure
[21:01] <momomo> when I navigate to select a file for intance, i'd like to be able to right click and open the folder ... it's not possible with nautilus
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> momomo  you mean 'other', not 'better'
[21:01] <k1l_> momomo: it is with nautlius
[21:01] <the_count> Bashing-om: You see, My screen does not auto rotate, there are a couple of quirks... Not that i really mind, it's just that something is not working as it should.
[21:02] <EriC^^> momomo: it has a right click > open  or open in new tab
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> momomo  is there anything about ubuntu you *do* like?
[21:02] <wafflejock1> momomo: yah beyond what's in there you can extend the commands too http://askubuntu.com/questions/21953/how-do-i-customize-the-context-menu-in-nautilus
[21:02] <momomo> MonkeyDust, actually not much
[21:02] <momomo> EriC^^, not when you are in navigation mode from a browser for instance
[21:02] <wafflejock1> personally just like having a split view so I use nemo most of the time
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> momomo  then why are you using it?
[21:03] <k1l_> momomo: thats a different thing
[21:03] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yhe references are all to older jernels than what you are booting ... I have been researching .. and there have been many patches and bug fixes in these later kernels . You did install the -53 kernel . Have you booted it and see how the touchpad performs ?
[21:04] <momomo> MonkeyDust, big mistake i made two years ago .. and i have spent more than 160 hours on trying to fix stuff and setup keyboard, hotkeys and what not .. and today i am mostly at a stripped down version and basic things like task switcher do not work peroperly
[21:04] <the_count> Bashing-om: I'll try it now
[21:04] <momomo> i decided to update to 15.10 today
[21:04] <momomo> and i did
[21:04] <momomo> k1l_, the problem still exists with minimze without live previews on
[21:05] <momomo> off
[21:05] <the_count> Bashing-om: Talk to you in a bit
[21:05] <momomo> and when live previous is on, then static task switcher keeps showing minimized windows as selectable
[21:06] <momomo> it's actually mostly unity that sucks than ubunut
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> momomo  what's keeping you from using something other than ubuntu?
[21:07] <momomo> MonkeyDust, time invested .. and i am alreayd behind scheduely on alot of things .. a switch might cost me about 1 weeks in constant effor tot setup
[21:07] <jonny_> in bash, what does this line mean: if [ $# -lt 3 ]; then
[21:07] <momomo> properly
[21:07] <jonny_> what does this conditional check for?
[21:07] <the_count> Bashing-om: Still no luck with the 53 kernel... I am in it now, not any difference I can see from it and the newest
[21:07] <EriC^^> jonny_: if number of arguments are less than 3
[21:07] <k1l_> momomo: then dont use static switcher
[21:07] <momomo> k1l_, what should i use ? unity switcher /
[21:07] <momomo> ?
[21:08] <momomo> that sucks more .. with its idiotic grouping without an option to disable it
[21:08] <jonny_> thanks EriC^^. for the future, how do I find this information from a manual?
[21:08] <k1l_> the one that works like intended
[21:08] <momomo> k1l_, unity swithcer/
[21:08] <momomo> ?
[21:08] <EriC^^> jonny_: man bash , then /<string> , n to go to next match
[21:08] <k1l_> momomo: i fear you have to program your own desktop then, if everyone is too dumb to make it work like you want it....
[21:08] <momomo> gnome2 was good
[21:09] <k1l_> momomo: then use mate
[21:09] <Guest89616> hi guys, how can I emulate thing arrow keys in the terminal?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> mate is nice
[21:09] <Bashing-om> the_count: -53 is the newest .. So we can surmise that re-install say the -49 kernel will also be of no effect . What I would suggest is to change the graphic's driver . What have we harware wise to work with ' lspci ' ?
[21:09] <momomo> k1l_, maybe .. but don't you agree the switcher is not ideal in unity ?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> momomo  the moment you see something, you want the change it completely, no wonder you're behind on schedule
[21:09] <jonny_> thanks EriC^^
[21:09] <wafflejock1> momomo: you can use unity-tweak to change a lot of the defaults
[21:09] <EriC^^> jonny_: no problem
[21:10] <k1l_> momomo: the switcher is totally fine. i use it and it works
[21:10] <momomo> wafflejock1, unity tweak tool .. haha .. that's a good name for sometjing that renders transparantly buggy .. but it works for some stuff like chaging power options
[21:10] <the_count> Bashing-om: THe only -53 I have now is 3.16.0-53-generic, you must have misread, otherwise, it is not showing up in GRUB
[21:10] <wafflejock1> momomo: again personal preference here but I like gnome 3 just fine
[21:10] <k1l_> momomo: i dont want to tab through 35 tabs if i have some programs with several windows open.
[21:10] <momomo> k1l_, do you ever open two or more windows of the same application ?
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> momomo: loose the attitude mate
[21:11] <momomo> you tab . and then suddenly you have to know to use the left key to navigate previous
[21:11] <momomo> previws
[21:11] <the_count> Bashing-om: I thought the 3.19~ series was the latest
[21:11] <k1l_> momomo: i only see you hours of debating on irc what you dont like.
[21:11] <momomo> lotuspsychje, i would
[21:11] <momomo> if i could just get around this issue
[21:11] <k1l_> momomo: so just switch to something you like and you can safe 20hours per week coming here and telling everyone what you dont like.
[21:12] <momomo> all other applicaion switcehr have simialr issue in compiz
[21:12] <momomo> k1l_, it's also feedback :p
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> momomo  then don't use compiz
[21:12] <k1l_> momomo: no. its annoying
[21:12] <lotuspsychje> momomo: its not feedback, its your opinion
[21:12] <momomo> i am also describing exisit issues
[21:12] <momomo> existing issues
[21:12] <freakyy> how do i find out how much RAM my graphics card has?
[21:12] <k1l_> momomo: file a bug.
[21:13] <wafflejock1> momomo: write a blog post that explains what you think the problems are and what the possible solutions are or like k1l_ said file a bug, complaining in IRC doesn't help anything
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> momomo  i name the bug: 'what i don't like'
[21:13] <mcphail> momomo: alt+` doesn't work for you (not sure I can keep track of what you don't like)
[21:13] <k1l_> momomo: so to be clear: this channel is not for your rantings or debating. make a blogpost for that. we try to solve technical issues in here. so please keep this channel for people who actually need support
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> momomo  find a distro or OS you like, then go to their channel for support
[21:14] <momomo> mcphail, maximize a widnwo .. minmize it .. then maximize it again by click on the icon .. use the mouse .. try to click on a small icon .. it should click on the wrong position
[21:14] <Bashing-om> the_count:  You are correct .. 3.16 kernel ! I do recall questioning what it would get installed .. my bad . OK .. so we can try and re-install linux-image-3.19.0-33-generic ; But I feel the better to mess around with the graphic's driver .
[21:15] <k1l_> momomo: that works on 15.10. how often should i say that again.
[21:15] <momomo> k1l_, i am on 15.10 now
[21:15] <the_count> Bashing-om: I really don't have anything to loose
[21:15] <k1l_> momomo: you changed compiz settings with a different launcher.
[21:15] <the_count> Bashing-om: Why again the graphics driver?
[21:16] <momomo> k1l_, yes, the problem is with the static switcher with unity live previews off
[21:16] <momomo> try that ...
[21:16] <momomo> if you enable live previous it gets solved
[21:16] <k1l_> momomo: so. either you help to fix that or you need to change the setup or you live with it.
[21:16] <momomo> but then another issue arises
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> !info sysinfo | freakyy
[21:17] <Bashing-om> the_count: If this is Nvidia graphics, I have seen several bug reports in respect to the synaptic touchpad that were referred back to Nvidia for the fix .
[21:17] <k1l_> momomo: and since we could not find something "you like" so far, i think there is nothing  we can do. so its just pointless to keep you telling us again and again what you dont like.
[21:17] <momomo> yes, iknow
[21:17] <momomo> all other switchers have similar issues too in compiz
[21:18] <momomo> it's just frustrating becaue thats what i use most ..
[21:18] <k1l_> then dont use a desktop that uses compiz or live with the compiz settings that are standard and known to work. your choice.
[21:18] <momomo> i like the unity switcher which works well.. i just don't like the grouping .. and all fixes for that on the internet, sugests the static application switcher ..
[21:19] <the_count> Bashing-om: It is not Nvidia, Integrated graphics, Ubuntu says, ' Intel® Haswell Mobile ' but it is integrated with my processor, and is, '
[21:19] <momomo> i am going fo cinnammon next
[21:19] <the_count> Bashing-om: Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 4400
[21:20] <momomo> actually right now
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> momomo  if ypou don't like cinnamon, we don't want to know it
[21:20] <Bashing-om> the_count: K; Intel supplies their very best to us and it is in the kernel .. no adjustments required .. unless this lappy is of optimus technology ( hybrid graphics ) .. just a thought .
[21:21] <momomo> hey guys, i am sorry for ranting .. and i hope you forgive me .. i think you understand these kind of frustrations and I appreciate that you have tried, many of you .. i am just tired of finding one solution and then finding out something else stopped working .. and it has costed me time ... and i keep revist the problem .. so sorry for that .. and lets hope cinnamon is better
[21:21] <momomo> if not, i'll bother those guys in linux mint :p
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> momomo: mint will get you in trouble
[21:22] <momomo> fcuk wut?
[21:22] <momomo> i just installed it, not yet relogged
[21:22] <momomo> lotuspsychje, anything concrete i will encounter ?
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | momomo try one of these
[21:22] <the_count> Bahsing-om: optimus technology?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> the_count: optimus graphics cards are hybrid and can switch from intel/nvidia
[21:25] <rgb-one> hello
[21:25] <rgb-one> Anyone here work at a hospital?
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> !ot | rgb-one
[21:26] <k1l_> rgb-one: this channel is for ubuntu support. :/
[21:26] <the_count> Bashing-om: Then it is standalone Intel graphics
[21:26] <OerHeks> rgb-one, how is that related to ubuntu support/
[21:26] <_despo> is this secure
[21:26] <rgb-one> It isn't
[21:26] <rgb-one> :0
[21:26] <_despo> crap
[21:26] <k1l_> _despo: this is the technical ubuntu support channel.
[21:27] <rgb-one> I know I will check offtopic
[21:27] <_despo> right thanks
[21:27] <_despo> so what to do with irc now
[21:31] <Bashing-om> the_count: OK .. so which kernel do you choose to purge/re-install ?
[21:32] <larden> hi guys
[21:32] <yimon> hiii
[21:32] <the_count> I don't see why not the latest.
[21:32] <the_count> bashing-om: ^^^
[21:32] <nottobe> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:33] <nottobe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmaXHWPIovE
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> !ot | nottobe
[21:33] <Bashing-om> the_count: Reboot to a 3.16 kernel and we proceed to do the kernel reinstall then .
[21:33] <the_count> Bashing-om: I am in the 3.16.0-53 kernel now
[21:35] <nottobe> üzdünüz kekeler..
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> !tr
[21:39] <the_count> Bashing-om: So, how do we do this?
[21:40] <lara_> irc://vervet.foonetic.net:6667/#kcl
[21:41] <OerHeks> no no, lara_ don't spam
[21:41] <mas886> pillow
[21:41] <Lamananier> Throw a pillow to mas886
[21:42] <Bashing-om> the_count: ' sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.19.0-33-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.19.0-33-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.19.0-33 ; sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-3.19.0-33-generic  '. Should do the trick .
[21:42] <OerHeks> mas886, remove that bot
[21:42] <macci> hi guys, How to simulate left arrow key with xdotool? the command "xdotool key left" doesn't work unfortunately
[21:42] <mas886> Okay sorry.
[21:43] <OerHeks> !coc > mas886
[21:45] <reisio> macci: 'Left'?
[21:45] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok
[21:46] <the_count> Bashing-om: Says this program is no longer needed: thermald
[21:46] <the_count> Bashing-om: Shall I remove it?
[21:47] <macci> reisio: reisio, I found the solution: xdotool key "Left"
[21:47] <macci> reisio: thank you for collaborating
[21:47] <reisio> macci: oh, did you find it after I gave it to you? :p
[21:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13459048/
[21:48] <macci> reisio: yes, you did gave me the right direction
[21:48] <reisio> gj
[21:48] <reisio> some things are picky like that
[21:48] <reisio> macci: FFR, if you run 'xev', and press the key you're thinking of, it'll say its exact name/id
[21:49] <the_count> Bashing-om: have to go for a while
[21:49] <VictoriaXOXO> the_count: What is it exactly that you and Bashing-om keep chatting about? You've been doing it for days now. Some really weird bug?
[21:55] <Glamdring> I've got a natively running game that has developed a consistent error. How can I get a log of the problem so I can see what's going awry?
[21:57] <Bashing-om> VictoriaXOXO: the_count And I are working to understand why in a synaptics touch pad - among others - that 2 finger scrolling does not work .
[21:57] <VictoriaXOXO> Bashing-om: Oh, okay. :P
[21:58] <Bashing-om> VictoriaXOXO: If ya got some insights.. welcome to the party .. touchpad works in earlie kernels, broke in the later kernels .
[22:03] <ke4nhw> Folks, I'll continue to play with this distro, and see if it gets any more inviting, but right now I'm gonna consider this more a learning experiment than a true preparation for a production environment. I am just having too much trouble switching mindsets from RH to Ubuntu methologies
[22:03] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: did you check xinput?
[22:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah .. we are getting lost in translation - somewhere .
[22:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ^^ also one AlexQ also has this similar siruation .
[22:07] <EriC^^> did you try xinput list-props <id of synaptics> ?
[22:08] <cschuck> Anybody having problems installing Eclipse themes in Ubuntu?
[22:08] <EriC^^> i have these in xinput Synaptics Two-Finger Pressure (275):	282 , Synaptics Two-Finger Width (276):	7
[22:09] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Thanks, will verify soon as the_count returns and we get the latest kernel re-installed .
[22:14] <VictoriaXOXO> Bashing-om: No help from me, I'm afraid. I was just curious about what the problem was.
[22:17] <ubuntu351> hello
[22:17] <owen1> i played with encfs and i have a folder called visible that i can't remove - rm: cannot remove ‘visible’: Is a directory. ls -l => d?????????   ? ?    ?          ?            ? visible
[22:18] <ubuntu351> is there any software for ubuntu that would let me run a game on one computer in my house, and like stream it to another laptop across the house
[22:18] <EriC^^> it's encrypted by another user owen1
[22:18] <ubuntu351> i have a pretty good gaming computer and a weak laptop, I was wondering if there was a way to run the game on gaming computer but play it on the laptop
[22:18] <EriC^^> owen1: fusermount -u /path/to/visible
[22:19] <owen1> EriC^^: fusermount: entry for /home/oren/visible not found in /etc/mtab
[22:19] <owen1> the problem is i rm -r ~/.encrypted
[22:20] <EriC^^> owen1: what does df /path/to/visible show?
[22:20] <owen1> Filesystem                  1K-blocks     Used Available Use% Mounted on
[22:20] <owen1> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 222439052 94081300 117035384  45% /
[22:20] <owen1> YYy
[22:21] <EriC^^> owen1: if you ls -l as the user oren you also can't see it?
[22:24] <owen1> EriC^^: i see it: drwx------  2 oren oren 4096 Nov 22 12:17 visible
[22:24] <EriC^^> owen1: type rm -r /path/to/visible if you don't have any data you need
[22:25] <owen1> EriC^^: wierd. i was able to rm it. thanks
[22:25] <EriC^^> owen1: no problem
[22:26] <owen1> EriC^^: so if i have 2 folders where i keep my files: enrcypted and decrypted  and i want to back it up, do i need to backup both on my backup server?
[22:26] <owen1> i mean i keep my files in 'decrypted' and 'encrypted' is used as well as part of encfs.
[22:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How would I get this terminal command "exiftool -all= *.jpg" as a right-click option? Like, in the context menu? Does anyone know?
[22:29] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: for Unity/GNOME ?
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: MATE, whatever that is.
[22:30] <EriC^^> owen1: if you want them as encrypted data you need to copy the .encrypted dir, otherwise if you want them as decrypted data you just copy them as usual after decrypting with encfs
[22:30] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: MATE is MATE, a fork of GNOME 2
[22:30] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Oh. :P
[22:30] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: Topic for #ubuntu-mate: Home of Ubuntu MATE
[22:30] <daftykins> small channel, but has some nice links in the topic
[22:30] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: ls /usr/bin/*actions-config-tool*
[22:31] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Gulp. I'll ask in there, but doubt anyone will answer.
[22:31] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Hold on.
[22:31] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: not something I'd want to do on individual files via a GUI, though
[22:32] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Can I PM you?
[22:32] <daftykins> !patience | VictoriaXOXO
[22:32] <reisio> find . -iname '*.jp*g*' (check for sanity), and find . -iname '*.jp*g*' -exec exiftool -all= {} \;
[22:32] <owen1> EriC^^: got it. thanks
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> How do I add bug tracking to this project ? Should I just add code, and take it from there ?
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> https://launchpad.net/xbox360
[22:36] <daftykins> that has nothing to do with ubuntu i'm afraid, i think there's a launchpad channel
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> k
[22:39] <ubuntu098> hey guys i have a question. i started learning python. I made simple browser following tutorials. now i need improve it. How to get current loaded web page and show it url entry bar?
[22:40] <EriC^^> #python ubuntu098
[22:41] <ubuntu098> aww thanks
[22:50] <dn5> yo, how do I backup wireless drivers?
[22:51] <daftykins> were they manually compiled?
[22:51] <dn5> daftykins: compiled no, installed yes
[22:51] <daftykins> do you remember what method?
[22:52] <dn5> daftykins: not really, no.. maybe fwcutter
[22:52] <dn5> don't take me for a word
[22:52] <daftykins> can you identify the model? "lspci"
[22:52] <dn5> yes, one second
[22:52] <dn5> daftykins: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller
[22:56] <daftykins> dn5: cool, one moment
[22:56] <daftykins> !broadcom
[22:57] <daftykins> dn5: anything show up if you run "dpkg -l | grep bcm" ?
[22:59] <dn5> bcmwl-kernel-source <IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu0.1 Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source
[22:59] <dn5> and CMIS protocol client @ daftykins
[22:59] <daftykins> dn5: alrighty; and "lshw -C network | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[23:02] <dn5> daftykins: yes, here is the output http://termbin.com/f7s2
[23:03] <daftykins> dn5: sorry this is so long winded; "dpkg -l | grep b43 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:04] <dn5> daftykins: np, output http://termbin.com/d83w
[23:09] <daftykins> dn5: ah-ha! looks like you may've followed "b42 - no internet access" on the above linked broadcom page :)
[23:09] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[23:09] <daftykins> so you should be ok regardless
[23:10] <daftykins> !info b43-fwcutter
[23:10] <daftykins> yep still in 15.10
[23:10] <dn5> daftykins: Probably, thus I don't have ethernet access
[23:10] <dn5> daftykins: If I make a fresh install there is no way to get this files until I get net access
[23:11] <daftykins> dn5: if you have a quick glance at the section i mean, you'll see it means you can install from the ubuntu disc
[23:11] <daftykins> so you don't need internet access to get the packages on :)
[23:12] <dn5> daftykins: tho I won't install Ubuntu
[23:12] <daftykins> err what's the plan then?
[23:13] <dn5> daftykins: I'm going for Ubuntu children, mate
[23:14] <daftykins> dn5: "MATE edition" ?
[23:14] <daftykins> doesn't matter which variant it is, same driver should go across all
[23:14] <dn5> daftykins: yes.
[23:15] <dn5> daftykins: Doesn't mean MATE have these packages in ISO
[23:15] <daftykins> true, but you can test that from a live session
[23:15] <daftykins> dn5: alternatively, visit packages.ubuntu.com and download the above named package and all its' dependencies for the version you plan to install
[23:15] <daftykins> then just have all the .debs ready to go
[23:16] <dn5> daftykins: So, which deb or package should I additionally backup for post installation
[23:17] <daftykins> dn5: run "apt-cache showpkg b43-fwcutter" which should list all deps
[23:19] <dn5> ah, thanks! daftykins
[23:19] <daftykins> np :)
[23:37] <hadeswatch3r> wpa_suplicant is taking up 90% cpu on new Ubuntu 15.10 .... Maximus VII impact 6600k ...
[23:37] <hadeswatch3r> ?
[23:41] <reisio> hadeswatch3r: what's the problem?
[23:41] <snarkbark> hey all, I've got ubuntu 15.10 running on an xps 13 9343 with an i5 broadwell and I'm experiencing an issue where if I'm playing a game fullscreen and then touch the volume, my screen freezes but I still have control over my mouse
[23:42] <hadeswatch3r> wpa_supplicaint is taking up alot of cpu .... my computer is very sluggish... as in pausing etc...
[23:42] <snarkbark> I can restart lightdm and get booted back to the login and then I can do w/e as normal. Any idea where to look to see what would be causing this issue?
[23:42] <hadeswatch3r> is this the wireless card stuff? (I'm  not using wireless )
[23:42] <waressearcher2> if someone don't have ubuntu can he go here and ask generic question related to many linuxes ? or its not ethical and ge will not get help here ?
[23:42] <k1l_> waressearcher2: there is ##linux
[23:42] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: wpa_supplicant is wirelesss
[23:43] <hadeswatch3r> So why is it killing my machine?
[23:43] <hadeswatch3r> or trying to kill it I should say..
[23:43] <waressearcher2> k1l_: what if that someone want's go here and not ##linux ? will it be frown upon ?
[23:43] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: hard to tell, try to kill the process? if you're not using wireless you don't need it
[23:43] <k1l_> waressearcher2: ##linux for generic questions. we focus on solving ubuntu issues in here.
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> yes, I have been killing it ... but, it just restarts itself.
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> and begins taking cpu cycles again ..
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> can I remove wpa supplicant ?
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> or will that break something?
[23:45] <bmsr256> hi, do i have to manually update the kernel to 4.3 or the ubuntu updater will do it automatically?
[23:45] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: sudo apt-get remove wpasupplicant
[23:46] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: you'll be unable to connect to wireless though
[23:46] <k1l_> bmsr256: no. ubuntu will not change the kernel version. it will just ship patches for 4.2. why do you need the 4.3 kernel?
[23:46] <VictoriaXOXO> (Unity/GNOME this time!) Q: How would I get this terminal command "exiftool -all= *.jpg" as a right-click option? Like, in the context menu? Does anyone know?
[23:46] <hadeswatch3r> Ben64 that's ok.
[23:46] <hadeswatch3r> I assume that this Motherboard is too new yet...
[23:47] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: it's probably a wireless card that isn't supported properly
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> reisio thank you for you help.
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> Ben64, right, thank you for your help.
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> I have it removed... I'll reboot this thing now.
[23:47] <Ben64> shouldn't need to reboot
[23:49] <bmsr256> k1l_: i've heard that the 4.3 kernel will have some AMP GPU controller features and some fixes
[23:49] <rui> !add
[23:49] <k1l_> !mainline | bmsr256
[23:49] <bmsr256> i'm just asking, i don't necessarily have to do this
[23:49] <waressearcher2> k1l_: "ubuntu issues" so by that you mean you will not teach someone how to use or do some stuff but if someone have problems with some stuff or something broken this is what you call "ubuntu issues" ?
[23:49] <k1l_> bmsr256: but you dont get updates then and they miss some patches the regular ubuntu kernels got.
[23:50] <waressearcher2> k1l_: so its not like an "ubuntu educational" channel for beginners ?
[23:50] <Ben64> i think 16.04 is going to be kernel 4.3
[23:50] <k1l_> waressearcher2: its very easy: if its ubuntu support ask here. if its generic questions (and you know its generic hence you start a discussion about that) then ask in ##linux
[23:50] <hexafraction> Hello, has anyone either tried or heard of Ubuntu working on Cyberpowerpc fangbook devices?
[23:51] <bmsr256> k1l_ ok i understand, btw i stick with 4.2, that's what it has, i'm with 15.10
[23:51] <yagami> oi
[23:52] <bmsr256> i'll let the updater search and update it automatically
[23:52] <k1l_> Ben64: thought more like 4.5 in the end for 16.04 since its still some time untill the freeze and it was 0.3 more than the last release the last times
[23:52] <Guy1524> hey guys, so i have an optimus laptop and I have nvidia-prime, I found out that it is impossible to use multiple monitors without using the noveau drivers which apparently are terrible, but I really want to use a bigger screen, is there a way to use just one external display and make the drivers not recognize the laptop display or something along those lines?
[23:53] <Ben64> k1l_: it started as 4.2, and i saw somewhere that it was going to be rebased on 4.3, i guess it can still change though
[23:54] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: What would be the most "clean" way of completely removing the entire LibreOffice suite from Ubuntu?
[23:54] <daftykins> Guy1524: tried toggling the outputs from the laptops Fn+F# key?
[23:54] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: sudo apt-get purge libreoffice
[23:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: And that removes the entire suite and everything?
[23:55] <waressearcher2> is there alternative to LibreOffice ?
[23:55] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: yes
[23:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Peeeeeeerfect.
[23:55] <waressearcher2> openoffice or koffice anything else ?
[23:56] <reisio> waressearcher2: abiword, gnumeric
[23:56] <AlexQ> Is Upstart in wily still experimental and disabled by default (in the default boot record created by GRUB)?
[23:56] <daftykins> waressearcher2: not one that is worth bothering with, probably.
[23:56] <JimmyNeutron> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server 14.04.3 onto my computer, Intel D525MW Atom processor, and it's hanging on the screen "Select a language"  Any help would be appreciated.
[23:57] <k1l_> AlexQ: since 15.04 systemd is the default init
[23:57] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Uhh. What? I was just inside Writer and Calc! http://pastebin.com/1rYs2jbv
[23:57] <daftykins> meta package is meta
[23:57] <AlexQ> k1l_: So upstart is the older one? Woo, I got confused. So if I want to start/stop something, I should use service <name> start/stop/restart ?
[23:58] <daftykins> JimmyNeutron: MD5 your downloaded ISO and check it on the flash drive / media you put it on?
[23:58] <rdconsolo> waressearcher2: koffice now is Calligra. openoffice, very good, but libreoffice gets updates more frequently
[23:58] <JimmyNeutron> daftykins, ok..let me check it..thanks!
[23:58] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: sudo apt-get autoremove?
[23:59] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, hold on.
[23:59] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: if that doesnt remove all, then use "sudo apt-get purge libreoffice*"


[14:16] <phillip> Hi, I dont think I should see such an error on your webside: http://partners.ubuntu.com/www.ubuntu.com/management/ubuntu-advantage can someone fix this?