[02:26] <sandro_> hi all
[07:52] <dpm> JoseeAntonioR, not sure you're online yet, but we'd like to use Ubuntu on air for a public hangout about Quickly this afternoon. How can we do that?
[07:52] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: I'm online ;)
[07:52] <dpm> ah, cool :)
[07:53] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: mind a PM?
[07:53] <dpm> sure
[09:53] <akgraner> mhall119, enjoy using Arch :-P  your comment made me laugh
[13:50] <mhall119> akgraner: :)
[14:22] <AlanBell> side project of the day http://ratemyspicerack.com/ nigelb might like it
[14:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: Nice!
[14:24] <AlanBell> more submissions required!
[14:25] <jcastro> mine is pretty plain
[14:25] <AlanBell> doesn't matter, lets see it
[14:25] <jcastro> ok
[14:27] <jcastro> your submission process is not fun
[14:27] <jcastro> however since you need content I will just G+ share it with you
[14:27] <AlanBell> working on it
[14:27] <AlanBell> that is fine
[14:32] <AlanBell> Favorite spice?
[14:35] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/castrojo
[14:46] <jcastro> ... is not in my rack, garlic powder
[14:46] <jcastro> it's a seperate huge container
[14:47] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobo
[14:47] <jcastro> "garlic powder" doesn't really describe it
[14:48] <jcastro> "Adobo seco consists of garlic powder, onion powder, salt, black pepper, dry orégano brujo, and sometimes dried citrus zest."
[14:48] <mhall119> adobo is good stuff
[14:48] <jcastro> that's some good eatin' right there
[15:00] <jcastro> we hanging?
[15:01] <jono> balloons, mhall119, dpm, jcastro all set?
[15:01]  * balloons is coming
[15:01] <dpm> yep!
[15:01]  * balloons waits for jono joke
[15:01] <jcastro> AWWW YEAH@
[15:01] <jcastro> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/106/887/backpain-1292835351.jpg
[15:01] <jono> balloons, mhall119, dpm, jcastro https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/14c4a62584cb9a92b34853cab2d7485a4d95e05f?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:01] <dpm> :)
[15:01]  * balloons notes he isn't late until it's started
[15:01] <cjohnston> balloons is on time today?
[15:01]  * jono blinks at balloons :-)
[15:02] <dpm> it's not him
[15:02] <dpm> probably a bot
[15:02] <jono> agreed
[15:02]  * dpm hugs balloons :)
[15:03] <balloons> dpm: hug is not understood. To see all available commands type HELP
[15:03] <jono> balloons, you are late
[15:04]  * jono smirks
[15:04] <balloons> lol
[15:49] <AlanBell> jcastro: submission process now is actually a submission process http://ratemyspicerack.com/share-your-rack/
[15:55] <dpm> jcastro, it seems Jose is not around: could you update the hangout link on www.ubuntuonair.com to be https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4181230f727885673ffbd1232bad36d9c3c45129?authuser=2&hl=en - or just add mhall119, jono and I to the admin list so that we can do it ourselves?
[15:56] <jcastro> I did add you, you should h ave a WP invite incoming
[15:56] <jcastro> in your email
[15:57] <dpm> jcastro, it seems it's not there yet, would you mind passing me the username and password in the meantime?
[18:32] <jcastro> <--- out of caffeine, be back in 10
[21:45] <bkerensa> lol
[21:45] <bkerensa> mhall119: I plan to hopefully announce testing for SUMO on Sat/Sun or Mon? With some customizations ofc
[21:49] <mhall119> bkerensa: awesome! Thanks dude
[21:49] <bkerensa> The requested URL /ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html was not found on this server.
[21:49] <bkerensa> heh
[22:58] <jono> check out http://www.dayinpix.com/
[23:03] <greg-g> too bad they don't respect the CC license terms *grumbles*
[23:03] <greg-g> (all the photos are photos from flickr that are under a cc license, and all cc licenses require, at least, attribution, which they don't give)
[23:04] <greg-g> oh, hehe, I see the about now
[23:04] <greg-g> sorry jono and redhead
[23:04] <greg-g> ;)
[23:05]  * greg-g wanders away
[23:08]  * AlanBell wonders if jono has a nice rack
[23:08] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[23:09] <jono> greg-g, there is attribution, under the pic
[23:09] <greg-g> jono: ohhhh, I see it now
[23:10] <greg-g> it wasn't on the main page, I didn't see the other view (where you can comment on them)
[23:10]  * greg-g retracks previous remarks
[23:10] <jono> :-)
[23:10] <jono> greg-g, I will ask Aq to add the credit when you have created your pic
[23:15] <greg-g> jono: to be extra cool (since now I know it is you/Aq): adding in the license metadata would be great as well: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Integration/RDFaExample
[23:15] <greg-g> I see you have the schema.org/opengraph metadata started in there, shouldn't be too hard to add on top of that
[23:16] <AlanBell> jono: I like dayinpix, that is fun
[23:18] <jono> AlanBell, thanks!
[23:18] <jono> greg-g, can you drop<EMAIL_ADDRESS>an email about that?
[23:19] <jono> AlanBell, if you can use it and post your pic on social media, that would be cool :-)
[23:20] <AlanBell> I have G+'d a couple
[23:20] <AlanBell> still want to see your rack ;)
[23:20] <jono> AlanBell, are you into BBQ?
[23:20] <greg-g> jono: yeah, will do
[23:20] <jono> thanks greg-g!
[23:20] <AlanBell> a bit, BBQ is my kind of cooking
[23:20] <greg-g> can I get a url for my pix without sharing via G+/FB/PIN?
[23:21] <greg-g> my dayinpix, rather
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, I am really getting into it
[23:21] <jono> greg-g, I have asked Aq to join
[23:21] <jono> he can answer a few questions
[23:21]  * greg-g nods
[23:21] <greg-g> thanks
[23:21] <jono> AlanBell, I just bought http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001I8ZTJA/thevirtualweberb today
[23:22] <AlanBell> very nice
[23:22] <jono> I was using one of these: http://brinkmann.net/products/details.aspx?item=810-7080-K
[23:22]  * AlanBell cheats and uses gas
[23:22] <greg-g> yo yo aquarius
[23:22] <aquarius> so this is where the community team hang out and control the world from, eh?
[23:22] <AlanBell> hi aquarius
[23:22] <jono> AlanBell, yeah I am using gas for grilling, but I want to master smoking
[23:22] <greg-g> shhhh, don't spread the word
[23:22] <jono> smoking low and slow is fun :-)
[23:22] <jono> aquarius, yep
[23:22]  * AlanBell wonders if aquarius has a nice rack too http://ratemyspicerack.com
[23:22] <greg-g> aquarius: two questions: 1) can I get a URL for my dayinpix without sharing it via FB/G+/Pin first?
[23:23] <AlanBell> yeah, we need to get more into the smoking thing in the UK
[23:23] <greg-g> 2) would be great to add in license metadata as well on the pages, I see you're already doing opengraph and schema.org stuff - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Integration/RDFaExample
[23:23] <greg-g> but, number 2 I can chat more about later :)
[23:23] <aquarius> greg-g, not at the moment...
[23:23] <jono> AlanBell, ahhh the flavor on the smoker is incredible
[23:23] <aquarius> because I'm not sure where to do it. :)
[23:24] <jono> and it is fun cooking that way too
[23:24] <jono> AlanBell, I got the Brinkmann because it is electric powered to get started, but I am now moving to charcoal to get that real smokey flavor :-)
[23:25] <aquarius> greg-g, licence stuff, interesting. However... I don't think it would be useful. The page is dynamically built, so all the stuff is javascripted in; we don't *know* the licence info etc until client-side runtime. I can inject rdf at that point, but people who want propagated licence metadata normally want it so that it's fetchable by some sort of semantic web engine scraper bot thing, which doesn't run
[23:25] <aquarius> JS
[23:25] <aquarius> correct me if I'm wrong, of course :)
[23:25] <jono> AlanBell, I did my first pulled pork a little while back - I posted it to http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=603945#603945 - that forum is pretty cool :-)
[23:25] <aquarius> I have, myself, always liked smoking, so I'm with jono on this
[23:26] <greg-g> aquarius: yeah, I mean, the page of the specific dayinpix are indexable, right?
[23:26] <aquarius> although I'm not using charcoal, I've gone electric ;)
[23:26] <jono> aquarius, lol
[23:26] <aquarius> greg-g, sort of. It's all built client-side.
[23:26] <greg-g> aquarius: so google can't see the content/know what is on the page other than the top meta tags?
[23:27] <aquarius> correct. The meta tags are added server-side, but we do not cache anything, at all, on the server; it's all derived from the URL.
[23:27]  * greg-g nods
[23:27] <aquarius> so we'd have to fetch the licence info at runtime
[23:28] <aquarius> and that will happen in JS, *after* a spider has read the page.
[23:28] <aquarius> I don't know whether the sort of bot that will read RDFa metadata is capable of running in-page script and reading the generated DOM.
[23:28] <aquarius> if it is, adding that isn't too difficult.
[23:28] <greg-g> aquarius: yeah, gotcha
[23:28]  * greg-g nods
[23:28] <greg-g> ok, nevermind then
[23:29] <aquarius> I did think about that myself :)
[23:29] <greg-g> :) good
[23:30] <aquarius> your point about being able to fish out a URL without sharing is a reasonable one, I'm just not sure where to put that. jono, suggestions welcomed ;)
[23:32] <jono> aquarius, just put a 'link' button next to the social media buttons, I think
[23:33] <aquarius> hm, yeah, maybe that's the way. What's a recognisable symbol for a link? The two-links-of-a-chain thing?
[23:33] <aquarius> am always worried that that only makes sense if you're english :)
[23:33] <jono> aquarius, I think the two links chain thing is best
[23:34] <mhall119> aquarius: it didn't post right to my G+ page
[23:35] <aquarius> indeed.
[23:35] <aquarius> now why isn't that working?
[23:35] <mhall119> worked fine against Facebook though
[23:35] <AlanBell> space in "video conf"
[23:35] <mhall119> aquarius: does it not like the space/%20 in "Video Conf"?
[23:35] <aquarius> I think it's because of the space, yes
[23:35] <mhall119> AlanBell: great minfds
[23:35] <aquarius> but I thought i'd fixed that.
[23:36] <aquarius> stupid urls
[23:36] <aquarius> ah, man, I'm double-escaping it.
[23:36]  * aquarius headbutts everything.
[23:36] <mhall119> lol
[23:36] <aquarius> right. Do it again but don't put a space in :)
[23:37] <aquarius> and I'll fix it for future people ;)
[23:37] <mhall119> no, videoconf isn't a thing
[23:37]  * aquarius tries to work out how
[23:37] <aquarius> am worried that whether location.pathname arrives in JS escaped or not is browser-specific.
[23:37] <mhall119> I used Chromium, fwiw
[23:38] <mhall119> well, the webapps PPA version of Chromium
[23:38] <aquarius> yeah, it's escaped in ff and chromium
[23:38]  * aquarius rtfs to work out where it's double-escaped
[23:39] <jcastro> heya jono/aquarius
[23:39] <jcastro> you guys pick a blogging platform yet?
[23:39] <jono> jcastro, not yet
[23:41] <aquarius> no, hang on, it *should* be double-escaped.
[23:41] <aquarius> what I am doing is *correct*
[23:41] <aquarius> and google is wrong
[23:42] <aquarius> not that that helps
[23:42] <aquarius> jcastro, I am still agonising about it :)
[23:42]  * aquarius debates banning spaces
[23:43] <aquarius> google just doesn't let you share a link with a %20 in the url, afaict
[23:43] <jcastro> hey so mims/clint and I were like
[23:43] <aquarius> that's ungood.
[23:43] <aquarius> jono, how bad is banning spaces?
[23:43] <jcastro> "you know, we could just take a javascript markdown editor and add it to a static page, and then feed wordpress"
[23:44] <greg-g> of the text? :(
[23:44] <jcastro> which is basically "hey we should rewrite wordpress." so we punched ourselves in the face
[23:44] <greg-g> I want to say "BABY ALARM!"
[23:44] <greg-g> oh well ;)
[23:44] <aquarius> maybe I can replace them with a Unicode GREEK EMPTY SPACE ALPHA 2 POINTLESS EXTRA CHARACTER marker or something ;)
[23:44] <greg-g> hehe
[23:44] <jcastro> of course, I meant js widget to feed /octopress/
[23:44] <aquarius> greg-g, you can't do that anyway, you're only allowed 10 chars by design :P
[23:45] <greg-g> ok, well then, no "!"
[23:45] <aquarius> jcastro, yeah, that'd be doable, indeed
[23:46] <jcastro> let's not do that.
[23:46] <aquarius> mhall119, you feeling knowledgeable about URLs and like being a sounding-board for a minute?
[23:46] <jcastro> that's how bad things happen
[23:47] <mhall119> aquarius: sure
[23:47] <jcastro> "well, we started with good intentions, just a quick static generator; and here I am, 9 months later; 40 pounds overweight, alcoholic, divorced, friendless, and it's all in ruby."
[23:47] <mhall119> I'll warn you, feelings of knowledgeability don't equate to actual knowledge
[23:48] <aquarius> mhall119, right. So, if I want to share a URL http://mhall.com/pies via g+, I can go to https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall.com%2Fpies
[23:48] <jcastro> also I was referring to myself in that one
[23:48] <jono> aquarius, I dont think we should ban spaces
[23:48] <jcastro> before someone comes in with the obvious punchline
[23:48] <aquarius> that is: I escape the URL in the query parameter
[23:48] <mhall119> ok
[23:48] <mhall119> mhall119.com is the correct domain name though
[23:49] <aquarius> if I have a URL with a space in, it'd be http://mhall.com/pies%20and%20chips
[23:50] <aquarius> so I should share that with https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall.com%2Fpies%2520and%2520chips right? That is: the % in the original URL gets escaped *again* as %25 because it's now in a querystring parameter
[23:50] <aquarius> my reasoning is correct there, I think
[23:51] <jcastro> http://www.howtogeek.com/121014/x-awesome-new-ubuntu-apps-developed-for-the-ubuntu-app-showdown/
[23:51] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmhall119.com%2Fpies%2520and%2520chips appears to work, yes
[23:52] <aquarius> however, g+ doesn't fetch such URLs correctly.
[23:53] <aquarius> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayinpix.com%2Fl%2F4694605032%2F3019277650%2F4442706561%2Fcoffee%2Fvideo%2520conf%2Fwiki does not work.
[23:53] <aquarius> and it should.
[23:53] <mhall119> aquarius: try using %2B instead of %2520 to encode spaces?
[23:53] <aquarius> I think that's a G+ bug.
[23:54] <aquarius> ah, man, quoteplus?
[23:54] <aquarius> nope, that doesn't work either
[23:54] <mhall119> why not? + in a URL is supposed to be substituted for a space
[23:54] <aquarius> I know.
[23:54] <mhall119> bah, stupic G+
[23:54] <aquarius> I've just tried it and it doesn't work :)
[23:54] <mhall119> replace spaces with underscores in your URL, and convert them back into spaces in the UI
[23:55] <aquarius> https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayinpix.com%2Fl%2F4694605032%2F3019277650%2F4442706561%2Fcoffee%2Fvideoconf%2Fwiki works fine, with no space. If you can make a URL that looks like that but with a space in between video and conf and which correctly fetches the image and description, tell me how, cos I can't.
[23:55] <aquarius> stupid g+
[23:55] <AlanBell> that does look a lot like a server side bug in G+
[23:55] <aquarius> the underscore thing... really? <long-suffering look>
[23:55] <mhall119> %2b seems to work
[23:55] <aquarius> please tell me I don't have to do that, at five to one in the morning
[23:56] <aquarius> really?
[23:56] <aquarius> I put an actual + in :)
[23:56] <aquarius> ah, but then that's putting an actual + symbol in
[23:56] <aquarius> (that is, not the + meaning "I am a space", an actual +)
[23:56] <aquarius> so the description and image have "video+conf"
[23:57] <mhall119> right, but that you can fix on your end
[23:57] <mhall119> right?
[23:57] <aquarius> yeah -- that's the same as the underscore
[23:57] <mhall119> but this actually follows the URL spec
[23:57] <aquarius> but it's WRONG that I should have to. What if someone actually *wants* a + ?
[23:57] <aquarius> "Me+You" as a caption, for example?
[23:58] <aquarius> this is a g+ server-side bug.
[23:58] <aquarius> I mean, I may have to just work around it, but it's still a bug ;)
[23:58] <mhall119> then you should encode that as a %2B in your url (%252B in G+'s share url)
[23:59] <mhall119> but frankly, people are much more likely to want spaces than +'s in their pictures
[23:59] <mhall119> (well, except for people who spend a lot of time on G+)
[23:59] <mhall119> oh the irony
[23:59] <aquarius> I agree with you, I'm just saying that this is a lame google bug that I should not have to work around
[23:59]  * aquarius throws all his toys out of the pram


[14:10] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:13] <rick_h> morning
[14:14] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[14:15] <rick_h> looking forward to the warmer day with some rain to wash some stuff away hopefully
[14:15] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:16] <cmaloney> We still have ice on the driveway so hoping it melts it
[14:16] <rick_h> yea, there's a couple of spots. I've got packages coming today to did toss a handful of salt on a couple of spots this morning
[14:17] <rick_h> mainly I'm thinking the road stuff needs to get flushed. It's such slush out there
[14:17] <rick_h> in our neighborhood road at least
[14:19] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:14] <Scary_Guy> global warming, huzzah!
[15:45] <waldo323> also great lakes warming
[15:46] <cmaloney> That's OK; we'll have a shit-ton of snow this weekend
[15:46] <cmaloney> because why not.
[15:46] <cmaloney> Also: That Lake Huron pizza at Buddy's is amazeballs
[15:47] <cmaloney> I never thought I'd say that about a non-tomato-sauce based pizza but here we are
[15:47] <rick_h> I've got to drive up north friday...I love snow but a multi-hour drive in 5-8" :/
[15:47] <cmaloney> http://buddyspizza.com/Menu/Signature-Pizzas
[15:48] <cmaloney> rick_h: Ugh. Is this for camping or ... ?
[15:48] <rick_h> cmaloney: annual ski weekend for the wife and boy
[15:48] <cmaloney> Ah
[15:48] <rick_h> we go up to crystal mountain every winter
[15:48] <cmaloney> Well, at least there will be snow up there.
[15:48] <rick_h> so yay fresh snow maybe up there
[15:48] <rick_h> but definitely not looking forward to the drive at night
[15:48] <cmaloney> though the weather forecasters are saying 20" for some lucky area
[15:49]  * rick_h hates driving highways when you can't see the lines with other people
[15:49] <rick_h> hah
[15:49] <cmaloney> That's "lose a small child in a snow drift" levels of snow
[15:49] <cmaloney> rick_h: I can totally relate
[15:49] <cmaloney> Even driving down some of the streets here where the lines are so faded as to be insisible under a layer of salt sucks
[15:49] <cmaloney> adding speed to that is awful
[15:50] <cmaloney> BTW: CHC tonight: https://www.meetup.com/Coffee-House-Coders-Royal-Oak/events/246286800/
[18:17] <greg-g> rick_h: reminds me of my trip from Northeast MO to Minneapolis one winter. Ended up in the ditch in southen MN. I was getting cocky and counting the number of cars in the ditch, hit a rut the wrong way... done. Spent the night in an armory. Got a couple nice quilts out of the deal that I use in the motorhome still. They closed the highway right after I went passed an offramp, so I was probably the last
[18:17] <greg-g> person to be on that stretch. Oh well.
[18:17] <greg-g> not saying you'll do the same, hopefully :)
[18:19] <waldo323> re: snow this weekend, ugh have a meeting on saturday which is a bit of a drive


[02:28] <crimsun_> ScottK: (RE: slicer) ok. Not sure how much time I have this weekend, but I'll look into it.
[03:03] <lfaraone> crimsun_: you use sbuild, rigth?
[03:03] <crimsun_> lfaraone: yes
[03:03] <lfaraone> crimsun_: I just tried to do "mk-sbuild sid --debootstrap-mirror="http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian" --skip-updates --distro=debian", and it installed the base system
[03:04] <lfaraone> crimsun_: but failed with "/finish.sh: line 6: apt-get: command not found"
[03:04] <lfaraone> crimsun_: schrooting in, I see that in fact apt-get is not installed.
[03:06] <lfaraone> crimsun_: is that invokation somehow wrong? (I adapted it from the SecurityTeam tutorial)
[03:08] <crimsun_> lfaraone: should work fine; I have a similar line in my mksh hist
[03:09] <lfaraone> crimsun_: hmmm. maybe it's just a problem with unstable being... unstable? :)
[03:14] <crimsun_> lfaraone: I'm attempting to reproduce it, but the mirror is pretty lagged, so I don't know if I'll be able to do so in a timely fashion.
[03:15] <crimsun_> (this is on 10.04.1 LTS, BTW)
[03:16] <lfaraone> crimsun_: same here. I just tested with squeeze and got the same error.
[03:47] <crimsun_> lfaraone: hmm, no, it seems to complete dandy locally.
[03:52] <ScottK> crimsun_: Thanks.
[03:55] <lfaraone> crimsun_: odd. will just `dpkg -i`-ing apt and running finish.sh be enough?
[03:56] <lfaraone> (I'm running it now, it seems to be installing a *bunch* of packages, libgtk was in there)
[03:57]  * ajmitch tries mk-sbuild & notices that one of the NZ mirrors is about 2 weeks out of date again
[04:00] <ajmitch> lfaraone: I get the exact same error as you did, running mk-sbuild on lucid
[04:08]  * lfaraone is glad he's not crazy :)
[04:09] <ajmitch> not too crazy, you mean :)
[04:10] <sconklin> jmarsden, I sent you email before I realized you hung out here
[05:39] <jmarsden> sconklin: Got it, thanks, will reply in email (just got home from local ham radio club)
[06:15] <micahg> maco: I've got a few bugs if you want to ACK/sponsor :)
[06:16] <maco> ack? i can ack things?
[06:16] <micahg> maco: you can ack sync request for universe for people that can't upload the package
[06:18] <maco> assuming i can get the build-depends on lucid, i can sponsor something before i go to bed. if i need a maverick system to debulid -S, then itll have to wait til daytime (im on a cell connection right now so cant download tarballs, but i can ssh to a lucid server if building there will work)
[06:19] <micahg> maco: well, bug 628576, bug 627803, and bug 627798 need sync request acks
[06:20] <micahg> maco: which means you also agree on two of those that no FFe is required
[06:22] <micahg> maco: bug 626588 is a merge that I also didn't think needed an FFe
[06:23] <micahg> maco: none are urgent, so don't worry if you can't get to it :)
[06:24] <maco> im looking at the png++ one now
[06:24] <micahg> maco: thanks :)
[06:30] <maco> ugh cdbs makes ugly debdiffs
[06:30] <maco> so i just say "sync ack" and subscribe archive admins?
[06:31] <micahg> maco: yep
[06:34] <micahg> maco: I'm going to sleep, so if you have any questions about those bugs, either leave me a ping here or comment in the bug and I'll get back to you in the morning
[06:35] <maco> have a good one
[06:35] <micahg> maco: you too, thanks
[06:45] <micahg> maco: sorry, came back for a minute, I forgot, when you ack, you should change status to confirmed
[06:45] <maco> oh ok
[06:45] <micahg> so the AAs know they can process it
[06:46] <micahg> maco: thanks, really (hopefully) off now :)
[06:55] <nenolod> someone should really update audacious to 2.4.0 in ubuntu before maverick is released
[08:01] <huats> morning
[13:28] <AnAnt> Hello
[13:46] <lfaraone> dholbach: pardon the old email I just accidentally sent, when I started Evolution it decided to send a bunch of MOTU mails I composed back in april.
[13:46] <dholbach> lfaraone, no worries :)
[13:47] <lfaraone> ugh, I think I sent one out to devel-permissions too.
[13:47] <dholbach> lfaraone, I'm skilled at deleting mails :-P
[16:23] <blizzkid> lo all. I know this is not really a support chanel, but I need some ppl with indepth knowledge of Ubuntu. Could anyone of you briefly explain how a usb stick gets mounted on insert (lucid)?
[18:10] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[19:00] <jono> siretart, around?
[20:31] <micahg> siretart: I'll take a look at that couchdb bug tonight
[21:17] <siretart> jono: yes
[21:25] <ajmitch> hi siretart :)
[21:29] <siretart> hi ajmitch :-)
[21:36] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: did you saw? someone is also affected by issue in relation g-s-d - kolourpaint4
[21:44] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: I've forwarded patch upstream and it should get fixed one way or another before release.
[21:45] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I don't believe :)
[22:21] <bdrung> tumbleweed: thanks for your work on u-d-t
[22:21] <bdrung> "Use @ubuntu.com e-mail address for Ubuntu Members" is nice
[22:46] <tumbleweed> bdrung: np
[22:47] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i was thinking about tweaking sponsor-patch to support syncs, too
[22:49] <tumbleweed> bdrung: you mean like ack-sync or without syncpackage?
[22:50] <bdrung> tumbleweed: like ack-sync
[22:50] <bdrung> tumbleweed: to "merge" ack-sync into sponsor-patch
[22:51] <tumbleweed> seems reasonable. Of course currently sponsor-patch doesn't touch bug statuses and subscribers
[22:53] <tumbleweed> but sponsor patch would require more robust task-detection than ack-sync currently has (tasks[0])
[22:54] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes. sponsor-patch should gain a parameter to touch bug statuses and subscribers (= write to LP)
[22:54] <bdrung> (maybe default for -s)
[22:54] <tumbleweed> sounds good
[22:55] <bdrung> tumbleweed: sponsor-patch does the task selection correctly
[22:55] <tumbleweed> oh, good
[22:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: if there are more than one -> ask the user
[22:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: sponsor-patch has a proper error handling (in contrast to ack-sync)
[22:58] <tumbleweed> yes, that works. (although it would be possible to automatically determine which bzr branch relates to which task, which we don't currently do)
[23:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: add a TODO item for that :)
[23:04]  * tumbleweed also has some catching up to do on the sponsor queue. I have ignored it for about a week
[23:08] <bdrung> tumbleweed: and i was on vacation
[23:08] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yeah, otherwise you'd have got everything I missed, you normally do :)
[23:09] <bdrung> :)
[23:10] <bdrung> 921 mails in 10 days...
[23:10] <tumbleweed> yeah, my inbox doesn't handle holidays well
[23:11] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i had to fetch the mails in steps. now they are 1391 (~ 650 threads)
[23:13] <bdrung> tumbleweed: only 58 mails in my main inbox (the remaining ones are moved into folders)
[23:15] <tumbleweed> that's still a fair amount. I find myself catching up for weeks after a holiday. I should just ignore them.
[23:18] <micahg> bdrung: I had trouble backporting vlc 1.1.3 to lucid
[23:18] <micahg> bdrung: welcome back, BTW :)
[23:20] <bdrung> micahg: thanks.
[23:20] <bdrung> micahg: did i gave you my patch?
[23:20] <micahg> bdrung: yes, I had to edit it still due to a msising dependency, but it still failed
[23:21] <bdrung> micahg: maybe it fails because of this dependency?
[23:21] <micahg> well, it was amd64 specific
[23:21] <micahg> s/missing/version too high/
[23:22] <micahg> oh, dh_install failed
[23:41] <lfaraone> I noticed that ubuntu-sugar-remix-meta appears  to be copypasted from ubuntu-sugar-remix, and has scripts to use germinate, but doesn't actually use them. (ie, addit'l (arch all) packages were added directly via the "Depends:" field)
[23:41] <lfaraone> Is the proper fix to this to stop using germinate, or to get a seed?


[00:03] <guiverc> note partially to self:  issue tracker mentions "Ubuntu fonts change; already noted by users of jammy and backports; some users don’t like the change, thus inclusion of fonts-ubuntu-classic AND/OR documenting the Ubuntu font change maybe required." which isn't mentioned in release notes !
[00:27] <guiverc> fonts change paragraph added (discourse copy only)  https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/4606    If anyone needs to edit & making it wiki will help, just ping me
 @tsimonq2 its back up
[00:30]  * guiverc never noticed it down; fixed the bad spelling of announce on blog version earlier...
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5b75280b/goofy.mp4
 XD (re @tsimonq2: )
[01:08] <guiverc> changes also appear on https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-10-beta-released/4553 now (easier to read for those that can't access staff section)... though no beta references are not removed in that version (issues only <s>striked-out</s> as addressed & confirmed on mulitple ISOs)
[03:05] <tsimonq2> LOTS of progress. I have the ubuntu-restricted-extras checkbox working now.
[03:05] <tsimonq2> The difficult part is really not installing the apt packages, though. It's installing the snaps.
[03:06] <tsimonq2> (If anyone recalls, snaps aren't actually installed with snapd when done via livecd-rootfs. The actual snap files are downloaded, and a preseed file is provided, installing them on first boot.)
[03:06] <tsimonq2> (This is manually done in a couple hundred lines of shell in livecd-rootfs, too...)
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Oh, and there's *no* dependency handling. None.
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Also, looking at the seed, there's quite a few stuff we could just demote to recommends now. I'll hear arguments against that if there are any :)
[03:09] <tsimonq2> *things
[03:09] <tsimonq2> holy cow it's 10 PM? I've been here since 7 AM :)))
[03:09]  * tsimonq2 chugs on
[03:15]  * Eickmeyer slides tsimonq2 some advanced.gg (#notsponsored)
[03:16]  * Eickmeyer but has friends that are
[03:16] <tsimonq2> I swear, if I have to hear another half hour-long GFuel rant (yes, that happened.) I will go insane XD
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> No, gfuel bad.
[03:17] <tsimonq2> "I exclusively drink herba mate tea" -wxl
[03:17] <tsimonq2> XD
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> HAHAHAHAHAA
[03:19] <tsimonq2> I just like to say that I'm elusive :P
[03:24] <tsimonq2> TIL `yes` - just type it in a terminal, you'll see ;)
[03:25] <Eickmeyer> Oh... my.... god.
[03:26] <tsimonq2> "Instead of using `apt install -y`, use `yes | apt install`" o_o on what planet
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/71de51ef/you_sure_about_that_i_think_you_should_leave_with_tim_robinson.mp4
[03:27] <Eickmeyer> I mean, if you have a script that has a ton of prompts... maybe a kernel configuration where you want EVERY. SINGLE. OPTION. *shudders*
[03:29] <Eickmeyer> Conversely, no `no`.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahaha
[03:33] <tsimonq2> LMFAO
[03:33] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/2212
[03:33] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 2212 in calamares/calamares "Add optional env vars for ProcessJob" [Open]
[03:33] <Eickmeyer> if "y"; then echo -e "a"; fi
[03:35] <Eickmeyer> FYI, `echo -e "a"` makes the terminal bell.
[03:36] <tsimonq2> Maybe on your terminal XD
[03:36] <Eickmeyer> "a" is the escape sequence for the bell.
[03:36] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Some terminals need that.
[03:37] <Eickmeyer> Probably best practice to use the backslash.
[03:37] <tsimonq2> Yeah... I don't think QTerminal supports that XD
[03:41] <Eickmeyer> In Yakuake or Konsole you have to configure terminal bell notifications. Not sure about QTerminal.
[04:11] <tsimonq2> Looks like Calamares' ProcessJob isn't really used in many places. I'm working on a PR to fix that up to make it work (and before that, test building happens)
[04:12] <tsimonq2> (Its goal is to take a command string and execute it, but I have a feeling it's one of those "it's a string, not a list, so command not found" type things.)
[04:14] <Eickmeyer> Or, hear me out, is it an array?
[04:15] <tsimonq2> Nope, it's a char XD
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> (list masquerading as a string)
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> Oh. Single char. LOL
[04:16] <Eickmeyer> Imagine it's an integer.
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: No, a C char XD
[04:18]  * Eickmeyer spitballs the planet
[04:55] <tsimonq2> So, I'm thinking about the release upgrader dialog I wrote today. The current delay is once a day for update notifications, which is pretty okay if you ask me.
[04:55] <tsimonq2> I have the systemd timer in Git set to once an hour. :P
[04:55] <tsimonq2> So, I just need to figure out a way to update that unit on a settings change... which seems somewhat tricky.
[04:56] <tsimonq2> (I mean, it could just be a simple sed and daemon-reload, but come on...)
[05:00]  * tsimonq2 has been spending more than an hour on string quoting, lol
 @Leokolb Thank you for knocking out that secure boot + EFI test that guiverc mentioned earlier, I appreciate that :)
[05:04] <guiverc> @tsimonq2, nah I just restored the earlier test that was done, alas it was with 0919 iso (ie. nearly a month ago!) ... I'd overwritten it by putting a EFI test on the wrong line..
[05:05] <guiverc> we still need (in my opinion) a secure-uEFI test.
 I see "Leok edited the content of this document" - perhaps that's a bug?
 :)
[05:07] <guiverc> i see it now... my screen is showing the published version (not later draft)
[05:08] <guiverc> I stand corrected...    THANK YOU @Leokolb !!!
 🎉🎉
 will finish the secure boots next 2 hours or so.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> I stand corrected...    THANK YOU @Leokolb !!!)
[05:49] <guiverc> :)  greatly appreciated @Leokolb
[06:16]  * tsimonq2 growls at string handling...
[06:17] <tsimonq2> If I spend another ... hour without a good clue to this, I'm just using bare QProcess :P
[06:20]  * tsimonq2 is kind of hoping to stay up late enough to catch bdmurray on the flipside and see those updates land before I sleep...
[06:20] <tsimonq2> Optimistic thinking... :P
[08:11] <tsimonq2> Alright, so to wrap up for the night...
[08:11] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/future/nn&id=18fcfa3e87c457a7a7e48aeb4a19eb14fa1ff22d is what took me like... 7 hours.
[08:11] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 18fcfa3 in ~ubuntu-qt-code/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu "Start more of the backend implementation. ubuntu/future/nn"
[08:11] <tsimonq2> At the very least, now it *can* execute jobs, the jobs just don't work. :P
[08:12] <tsimonq2> I'd be especially interested in hearing if @arraybolt3 has ideas- but I can't seem to get ProcessJob to get to take anything past apt-get (which keeps reminding me of its superpowers :P)
[08:13] <tsimonq2> Anyway, that's a tomorrow/later task.
[08:13] <tsimonq2> I'm expecting bdmurray to get back to me soon on those fixes. If for any reason they don't go through, sweet, that's amazing o_o, I'll be back around 11 AM (-5)
[08:13]  * tsimonq2 o/
 all secure UEFI installs @guiverc on checklist completed :)
[09:39] <guiverc> thank you heaps @Leokolb.
[14:39] <tsimonq2> It's all coming together :)
[14:51] <tsimonq2> Okay, so bdmurray raised a good point: exactly what kind of environment variables are passed via lxqt-sudo?
[14:51] <tsimonq2> I've linked him to the code but I have a sneaking suspicion he wants to see more of them allowlisted.
[14:51]  * tsimonq2 has a usual hour-long meeting to attend to, brb
[17:17] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-sudo (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.3.0-0ubuntu2] (lubuntu)
[17:22] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-update-notifier (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.5.4 => 0.6.1] (lubuntu)
[17:29] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: rejected lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.6.0]
[17:44] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-sudo (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.3.0-0ubuntu1.1] (lubuntu)
[17:46] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-sudo (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1ubuntu1 => 1.2.0-1ubuntu1.1] (lubuntu)
[17:46] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lxqt-sudo (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.17.0-0ubuntu1 => 0.17.0-0ubuntu1.1] (lubuntu)
[17:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-update-notifier (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.5.4 => 0.6.0~23.04.2] (lubuntu)
[17:49] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-update-notifier (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.5.1~22.04.3 => 0.5.1~22.04.5] (lubuntu)
[18:00] <tsimonq2> Okay, so here's the latest from the bug and -release...
[18:00] <tsimonq2> In the original lubuntu-update-notifier bug from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-update-notifier/+bug/2038958 - bdmurray pointed out that some important environment variables may not be passed through.
[18:01] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2038958 in lubuntu-update-notifier (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] Add support for release upgrading" [Medium, In Progress]
[18:01] <tsimonq2> Instead of substituting out for a different tool in a pinch (a non-LXQt tool at that), I took the 10 minutes to add support for -E to lxqt-sudo. That's in https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-sudo/pull/204
[18:01] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 204 in lxqt/lxqt-sudo "Add a -E option, preserving all environment variables" [Open]
[18:02] <tsimonq2> So, lxqt-sudo received uploads for all the releases we support. The SRU bug for that is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-sudo/+bug/2039093
[18:02] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2039093 in lxqt-sudo (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] Add -E support to lxqt-sudo" [Medium, In Progress]
[18:02] <tsimonq2> Quoting from the BR :P "As is usual when I submit patches, it'll probably be rejected, and we'll keep it as a vendor patch anyway."
[18:03] <tsimonq2> We're now waiting for a review on both sets of uploads. Once that's done, I'd appreciate a second set of hands on testing, otherwise I should be able to manage :)
[18:03] <tsimonq2> This is, I think finally, all for the release.
[18:03] <tsimonq2> If anyone has anything else to add, speak up now, or after this I'll get started on release notes
[18:12] <tsimonq2> 18:10 < vorlon> tsimonq2: as it's not really coupled to the release, I'm going to leave it to the standard SRU process
[18:12] <tsimonq2> So now we wait :)
 *pushes tsimonq2 slowly off the ledge like a cat pushes things off shelves*
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Idk, maybe he just needs to be "fixed".
 *sneezes and a vase explodes nearby* nah i'm just chaotic
 what i do need is my meds so.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> Oh, thanks for the reminder. *schedules a refill*


[01:03] <Unit193> Oh look, xfce4-equake-plugin 1.3.5 released.
[01:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: evince vs evince-gtk whats the diff?
[01:34] <Unit193> Mmm.  Guess you don't know then.  One is more gnome based.
[01:34] <Unit193> Try installing -gtk and see if you notice any missing functionality?  It'd be for Vapid Vampire anyway.
[01:36] <bluesabre> Seems identical, I'd have to sit down with it
[01:36] <bluesabre> good to know that there is probably some distinction though
[12:12] <elfy> ochosi: what's going with the screensaver times - I've had to resest it to 0 again today
[12:15] <ochosi> elfy: well you tell me, what *is* going on with them?
[12:17] <ochosi> did the xfpm settings change?
[12:18] <ochosi> or were the displayed values in xfpm settings not the same as in X?
[12:18] <ochosi> (bottom line: i really need more info...)
[12:33] <elfy> sorry meant to post this http://pastebin.com/K81VtX1h
[12:34] <elfy> xset when it blanked, when I'd upped them and then once I'd set them to 0 again
[12:48] <ochosi> hm, strange, we didn't change anything in the blanking department for a while
[13:01] <ochosi> elfy: so this happens just sometimes?
[13:01]  * ochosi wonders whether anyone else has experienced that...
[13:02] <ochosi> i admit to not having checked the logic of how xfpm sets/resets these times, i just added new functionality (blanking) on top of the existing DPMS support
[13:02] <ochosi> since there were no bugreports claiming that that doesn't work (and since it seemed to work just fine for me), i'm a bit puzzled by this issue
[13:19] <elfy> yea - not had it since the last time though which was after update of x-d-s
[13:20] <elfy> only odd thing I've done since then and today was play about with saving session and logging into that
[13:22] <ochosi> the session doesn't remember the values for blanking
[13:22] <ochosi> which was the main reason to implement this feature in xfpm
[13:22] <elfy> no idea then
[13:22] <ochosi> but i've heard that there are some bugs with session management
[13:22] <ochosi> so it might be related to that
[13:23] <ochosi> did you check what values xfpm displayed in its settings when you experienced the blanking?
[13:23] <ochosi> (just to know whether it was reset to its own defaults or whether it was simply out of sync with the X11 settings)
[13:23] <elfy> unless updates to power manager and/or data are doing it - had updates to data yesterday
[13:24] <ochosi> that was just a tiny patch to fix lid-close suspending
[13:24] <elfy> I did check - xfpm was reporting what I had set it for - 0 all across the board
[13:24] <ochosi> right
[13:24] <ochosi> in that case it was out of sync with X11, because the session management or something else tampered with those settings
[13:24] <ochosi> which is a known issue in 1.4, unfortunately
[13:25] <elfy> ochosi: yes - but if it is resetting things to 'default' regardless of what got fixed
[13:25] <ochosi> haven't had time to check that yet, it's unfortunately more complicated to fix than it sounds...
[13:27] <elfy> ok - well if I see it again I'll try and take more notice of what's going on at around the same time
[13:29] <ochosi> thanks, that'd be great
[13:29] <ochosi> i'd really like to get this sorted
[13:30] <elfy> you and me both - when it catches me unawares it's usually just at the wrong time :p
[13:30] <ochosi> heh, yeah :)
[13:31]  * ochosi wonders what the right time would be
[13:31] <elfy> ha ha ha
[13:43] <brainwash> bluesabre: just noticed something related to "Black screen on resume in Xubuntu 14.04.1"
[13:44] <brainwash> from the report: "Black screen on resume when using standby on close lid is confirmed on Dell Latitude D400 on completely new install of Xubuntu 14.04.1 32 bit."
[13:44] <brainwash> now take a look at bug 1254131
[13:44] <brainwash> Dell Latitude in both cases
[13:46] <brainwash> appears to be the exact same problem
[13:46] <brainwash> black screen + mouse cursor visible and system completely frozen
[15:29] <brainwash> bluesabre: should we backport the fixes for bug 1347272 to trusty?
[15:30] <brainwash> Noskcaj: ^
[15:31] <brainwash> "Nominated for Lucid" :D
[15:35] <brainwash> Noskcaj: do you keep an eye on this meta report?
[16:24] <pleia2> elfy: I shall tweet
[16:25] <elfy> pleia2: thanks :)
[16:25] <elfy> it's an early warning ;)
[16:25] <elfy> probably as pointless as the last one - but as long as I've done what I can *shrug*
[16:26] <pleia2> I appreciate it, I'm conferencing again next week, but it's local so I can download things and make time, now I won't forget!
[16:27] <ochosi> +1
[16:32] <elfy> ty pleia2 :)
[19:54] <Noskcaj> brainwash, not really, but i can
[19:56] <brainwash> Noskcaj: the fixes will land at some point in ubuntu, but I'm not sure if sru'ing them is really necessary
[19:56] <brainwash> too much paper work :/
[20:12] <Noskcaj> I'd not worry about an SRU unless we get a bunch of crash bug reports
[20:16] <brainwash> like over 1000 bug heat? :>
[20:17] <brainwash> it is sru worthy
[20:30] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:30] <Noskcaj> then as long as the fix works in utopic, we should backport it
[22:41] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[22:42] <bluesabre> brainwash: yeah, the list of things to backport is growing
[22:42] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[22:42] <ochosi> about to go to bed
[22:42] <ochosi> how're things?
[22:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Timed out 10 minutes before you said that.
[22:44] <bluesabre> things are good


[06:10] <claydoh> ok, ray burke is back on the mailing list, and as usual  does not remember things he's been told about many times in the past, email-wise
[06:11] <claydoh> so anyone offering aid please take that into considersation. He needs specific,  step-by-step hand-holding
[06:13] <claydoh> Mamarok: :  and valorie I've already responded to his usual email-all-the-addresses-possible off-list, and bcc'd you both
[06:14] <valorie> thank you claydoh
[06:14] <valorie> perhaps he's senile or so?
[06:14] <claydoh> perhaps, it has been tis way for years
[06:14] <claydoh> many years
[06:15] <valorie> I admin quite a few genealogy lists, and am used to clueless old windows users
[06:15] <claydoh> he can't follow an email thread, which of course with multiple people assistng confuses him
[06:16] <valorie> many of them I just moderate full-time, and only allow the few on-topic posts
[06:17] <valorie> does he do better on a forum, claydoh?
[06:17] <claydoh> he would, but I  have not been ablle to get him to go there, or he has been, but is quite easily confused
[06:18] <valorie> poor old thing
[06:18] <valorie> but tiresome to the helpful folks
[06:18] <claydoh> unlike steve vollum, who is an elderly gentleman who may be in a home, but has done sooo much better there
[06:20] <valorie> well, everyone ages differently
[06:21] <valorie> my mother had alzheimers, and grew paranoid
[06:21] <valorie> my dad is very senile, and just seems peaceful
[06:21] <valorie> hardly speaks anymore, and is now forgetting how to swallow
[07:12] <soee> hiho
[08:02] <aseques> Hello, after upgrading to kubuntu willy backports I have to different audio mixers
[08:03] <aseques> I've both kmix, and sound volume
[08:03] <aseques> Which one is the default with current releases?
[08:05] <aseques> 'sound volume has a nice osd display, but not sure if it's kde's default
[08:07] <valorie> yes, you can remove the one you don't want
[08:07] <valorie> unfortunately, both have features the other one doesn't
[08:07] <valorie> still
[09:01] <soee> valorie: but plamsa-pa is developed so i suggest using it
[09:02] <soee> in Plasma 5.6 it will also have option to controll various sound sources like kmix
[09:03] <soee> so it will be pretty the same (without widow with shortcuts to some caonfigurations etc. but this can be done through System Settings -> Multimedia anyway)
[09:05] <valorie> soee: right now I just leave them both
[09:07] <soee> ;o
[09:08] <soee> :)
[09:08] <soee> valorie: can you test 5.5.4 ? are you on Xenial ?
[09:09] <soee> i would liek to have 10 people that will test stuff before release :}
[09:15] <valorie> is it the ppa landing you want tested?
[09:15] <valorie> and yes, I can
[09:16] <soee> valorie: staging-plasma
[09:16] <soee> it has been tested already by 4 people
[09:19] <valorie> if you want more testers, call for them
[09:21] <yofel> moin
[09:21] <yofel> soee: while it's in staging please use WIP, once it's in landing use LANDING
[09:21] <yofel> and please don't do public tester calls for staging
[09:22] <valorie> hmm, so what should I do?
[09:22] <valorie> it's my travel laptop, so I'm ok with testing with it
[09:22] <valorie> that's what I use it for when I"m not traveling
[09:23] <yofel> I'll copy it to landing
[09:23] <yofel> not sure why clive didn't do that, I did tell him to copy it
[09:23] <valorie> ok
[09:26] <yofel> copied, you'll get it once the publisher is done
[09:26] <yofel> now to fix the topic again
[09:29] <valorie> thank you yofel
[09:45] <soee> yofel: ok. i thought people here can test it as they know what they are doing :)
[09:47] <valorie> ok, my xenial updates are about done, so I just add back the ppa-landing?
[09:47] <yofel> soee: well, as long as it's here, ~ok. I just don't like people using staging directly because I don't intend to tell anyone when I upload something there that might make a mess
[09:47] <valorie> what I mean is, is the move done
[09:47] <yofel> and landing is what's supposed to be used for testing
[09:47] <soee> yofel: right :)
[09:49] <soee> so atm. we have only apps 15.12.1 not done
[09:49] <soee> and what about 5.5.4 backport - are we doing it ?
[09:49] <yofel> sure
[09:55] <valorie> added, now updating
[10:09] <Mirv> now Qt 5.6 is moved to March
[10:09] <yofel> *sigh*
[10:09] <Mirv> indeed
[10:14] <snele> and they don't want to do one more qt 5.5 bugfix release...
[10:14] <soee> Mirv: where i can see some announcement ?
[10:15] <snele> soee: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-5.6-release
[10:17] <snele> yofel: is it possible to have patches from qt 5.6 backported to ubuntu's qt 5.5? for example for missing icons in systray at boot
[10:18] <soee> but no info why it is postponed ?
[10:20] <Mirv> soee: the wiki page indeed, I suspect there was a release meeting earlier this week but the notes from it haven't been posted
[10:20] <yofel> snele: we can certainly look at them
[10:21] <Mirv> snele: sure, there are _lots_ of backported patches from Qt 5.6 already in qtbase and qtdeclarative
[10:22] <Mirv> soee: remaining bugs. Qt is a bit notorious with late releases.. the 5.6 was postponed from October to December already in the planning phase to have a "realistic" goal of releasing it in December. and then 5.7 was supposed to happen in April.
[10:22] <Mirv> or maybe it's also that all projects seem notorious with late releases when compared to Ubuntu :)
[10:22] <soee> well but in teh end better to have stable release than early buggy product
[10:23] <Mirv> yeah, good release planning would help though. somehow it gets too unstable during their development cycle, even though they have lots of CI.
[10:23] <soee> the biggest minus here is taht 5.6 probably wont make it into 16.04
[10:24] <Mirv> of course Qt is a huge project too, abstraction of everything on every platform is not the easiest job
[10:24] <soee> true
[10:25] <soee> maybe better way would be to add less features but make releases faster
[10:26] <soee> this way people can test what was released and report issues and than quicker fixes would be released
[10:41] <valorie> soee: my xenial upgrade was totally smooth and wonderful
[10:49] <soee> valorie: COOL, THANK YOU
[10:49] <soee> sorry for UC
[11:17] <mparillo> Plasma 5.5.4 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing ?
[11:18] <mparillo> For Xenial?
[11:19] <soee> mparillo: yes
[11:22] <mparillo> It looks as if some apps were upgraded also. Including kate, and Muon Update Manager.
[11:23] <mparillo> Downloading now.
[11:35] <clivejo> yofel: I wanted to test it myself before copying
[11:36] <clivejo> then I got tired and went to bed!
[11:36] <yofel> ah ok, very reasonable decision :)
[11:37] <yofel> sorry for storming in
[11:37] <clivejo> seems to be stable though
[11:37] <clivejo> dont be sorry, you didnt know!
[11:37] <clivejo> not a mind reader
[11:38] <clivejo> well I hope not :P
[11:38] <clivejo> you might interfer with my plans for galactic domination
[11:39] <mparillo> Updates completed. Time to re-boot.
[11:42] <clivejo> my death star will be powered by Mycroft and Kubuntu
[11:44] <mparillo> Kinfocenter reports Plasma 5.5.4. No immediate obvious breakage in krunner, konsole, konversation either. Well done clivejo and yofel.
[11:45] <mparillo> Plus this time, after applying updates, my kicker (which also seems to work after the re-boot) I was able to use it for the shutdown, without a sudo poweroff.
[11:45] <clivejo> yofel: has there been a call for testing?
[11:45] <mparillo> Assumming it is not worthy of a kubuntu.org news post, I would be happy to put it on the wire.
[11:45] <yofel> not yet
[11:46] <mparillo> When you are feeling comfortable.
[11:46] <yofel> the news post comes with the backports
[11:46] <clivejo> I think thats over 10 people now
[11:46] <yofel> and the shutdown issue only happens for major version updates, not bugfixes
[11:46] <yofel> which is annoying enough
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[12:15] <clivejo> mind testing plasma 5.5.4?
[12:15] <clivejo> on xenial
[12:16] <BluesKaj> clivejo, ok
[12:16] <clivejo> its in the landing PPA
[12:18] <BluesKaj> I had to roll back to 5.4.3 due to a kserver error 2 days ago
[12:19] <clivejo> oh right
[12:19] <clivejo> never mind
[12:19] <BluesKaj> so I had to ppa-purge the ci/stable and landing ppas
[12:21] <BluesKaj> clivejo, is that server error fixed, if so I'd be willing to try the landing ppa again
[12:28] <acher88> BluesKaj: not had that here at any stage testing the ppas
[12:39] <clivejo> BluesKaj: probably cause you used the KCI PPA's?
[12:39] <clivejo> KCI will have breakages
[12:43] <soee> clivejo: ping
[12:45] <BluesKaj> acher88, yeah I noticed the error was hone after purging the ci ppa, but got spooked and purged the landing as well
[12:45] <BluesKaj> gone
[13:08] <BluesKaj> ok, got plasma 5.5.4
[13:12] <mparillo> For some reason (maybe 5.5.4), now krunner autocompletes Okular again, and dolphin opens PDFs using Okular. Big improvement over yesterday.
[13:45] <sgclark> morning
[13:45] <soee> hiho :)
[13:46] <soee> sgclark: do you have time to start 5.5.4 backport ?
[13:51] <sgclark> me? nope, so very behind :( so sorry
[14:02] <clivejo> hi soee
[14:05] <soee> clivejo: would you be interested in in packaging tomahawk ?
[14:05] <clivejo> no idea what that is
[14:06] <clivejo> !info tomahawk
[14:06] <clivejo> !info tomahawk xenial
[14:08] <morphis> anyone know who would responsible for a failing build of kwin due to a new libhybris update in xenial?
[14:10] <mgraesslin> morphis: Ubuntu for having a fork of libhybris in the archive
[14:10] <sitter> http://cdnimg3.webstaurantstore.com/images/products/extra_large/45500/241884.jpg
[14:10] <morphis> mgraesslin: there is a reason for having a "fork"
[14:10] <morphis> but that is changing
[14:11] <morphis> things are moved out of hybris and its becoming more or less a direct import from upstream, but that will take time
[14:11] <mgraesslin> please note that I don't care about why or why not there is a fork
[14:11] <morphis> that is fine :-)
[14:12] <morphis> mgraesslin: however kwin is failing to build now: mgraesslin: basically<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:12] <mgraesslin> shrug
[14:12] <morphis> now sure how you are going to handle this but hybris will become more or less just a dlopen/dlsym wrapper rather than providing any abstracted APIs
[14:14] <soee> clivejo: some days ago tomahawk devs wanted some packager
[14:14] <bshah> is it against git master libhybris?
[14:14] <bshah> morphis: ^ (build failure)
[14:14] <clivejo> where is the packaging?
[14:14] <morphis> bshah: which git master do you mean? upstream?
[14:14] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk
[14:14] <clivejo> yofel: you own this team?
[14:15] <bshah> that error in kwin, what is libhybris being used?
[14:15] <morphis> bshah: https://git.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/ is what we're currently going to land
[14:15] <morphis> its not in par with upstream yet but very close
[14:17] <morphis> bshah: as I already mentioned above you should also expect us to drop the hwcomposer wrapper at all at some point
[14:18] <bshah> morphis: well thing is, for plasma mobile we use https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris directly
[14:19] <bshah> with packaging from : https://github.com/plasma-phone-packaging/libhybris (upstream forked at some point)
[14:20] <morphis> bshah: I see
[14:22] <yofel> soee: someone else is already trying to update tomahawk
[14:22] <yofel> clivejo: I do, but haven't touched it in months
[14:23] <clivejo> Stefan Ahlers?
[14:26] <morphis> bshah: however then kwin in the archive should have hybris support disabled
[14:26] <bshah> morphis: yes.. it is good idea
[14:26] <bshah> however I don't have access to things.. :)
[14:26] <mgraesslin> morphis: or maybe Ubuntu renames libhybris in the archive, so that it doesn't get picked up and breaks the build
[14:26] <morphis> mgraesslin: why should we rename it?
[14:27] <mgraesslin> because it's a fork
[14:27] <morphis> mgraesslin: as I said, that is changing
[14:27] <morphis> mgraesslin: count it on history and pressure but that is how things are
[14:28] <mgraesslin> sure, just if one forks and doesn't rename it's causing problems
[14:28] <mgraesslin> of course version numbers in libhybris would also help
[14:29] <morphis> sure, but I can not cleanup everything at once
[14:30] <morphis> and version numbers include some kind of API stability which hybris doesn't have yet :-)
[14:56] <morphis> mgraesslin, bshah: so who can disable the hybris support in kwin in the ubuntu archive?
[14:56] <mgraesslin> morphis: no idea, I'm the upstream maintainer
[14:57] <bshah> morphis: maybe yofel/clivejo/sgclarck can help you there
[14:57] <morphis> mgraesslin, bshah: ok
[14:58]  * yofel thought that was disabled
[14:58] <yofel> checking
[14:59] <yofel> clivejo: Stefan, right
[15:00] <yofel> OH
[15:01] <yofel> mgraesslin, bshah, morphis: Ok, looks "libhybrids-dev [armhf]" crawled into the build-deps through the last debian merge
[15:01] <yofel> fixing
[15:01] <morphis> yofel: awesome!
[15:01] <mgraesslin> well on Debian doesn't make sense either
[15:02] <morphis> mgraesslin: debian might still have an older hybris version
[15:02] <mgraesslin> no, they don't have one at all
[15:02] <bshah> thx :)
[15:02] <yofel> maxyz_: ^
[15:02] <morphis> mgraesslin: ah :-)
[15:02] <mgraesslin> would make my life easier if they had ;-)
[15:04] <yofel> ok, I read the git log wrong, this seems to be entirely out fault. hybris was simply never *fully* removed
[15:04] <yofel> maxyz_: unping
[15:23] <maxyz_> unpong
[17:48] <soee> and no sound again :<<<
[17:50] <soee> and soud back after reboot
[17:50] <soee> i think this has something to do with sddm and failing logins
[17:51] <soee> i had sddm greeter in window and no sound, after reboot login was fine (first attempt) and i have sound
[17:59] <soee> guys some comments about backports: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/848483-plasma-5-5-3-kde-frameworks-5-18-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10
[18:06] <soee> yofel: can we somehow get this patch in Xenial just for test https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126923/ ?
[18:06] <sgclark> nothing we can really do until we get some ubuntu core devs to push sru's to archive.
[18:07] <soee_> sgclark: why they dont give you or yofel access to do it ?
[18:08] <sgclark> we have to go through the same process as everyone else.
[18:09] <soee_> sgclark: what do you think about this patch to test ?
[18:09] <sgclark> which I will be working on soon. Time is always an issue, as usual. I need to clone myself.
[18:10] <sgclark> soee_: sorry I have no clue what that is or what it is for. Perhaps yofel does.
[18:11] <soee_> sgclark: it should probably fix teh bug i reported  - when the updates notification stays active in systray when there are no any update sleft
[18:12] <BluesKaj> that's an old one, been around for ages
[18:13] <soee_> BluesKaj: yes but finall we might have fix for it :)
[18:13]  * BluesKaj doesn't bother with active notifiers\, update and upgrade every day anyway
[18:13] <BluesKaj> soee_, you hope  :-)
[18:23] <yofel> sgclark: that's just a discover patch to fix the forkbombing
[18:23] <yofel> soee_: I'll apply it later, unless clivejo isn't faster
[18:23] <sgclark> ok col
[18:23] <sgclark> err cool
[18:26] <yofel> hm, if the sound issue is sddm related, then this might be indeed a logind permission issue somewhere
[18:27] <soee_> yofel: thank you
[19:50] <tybaut> Hello
[19:50] <tybaut> I'm with xenial
[19:50] <tybaut> With plasma 5.5.4
[19:51] <tybaut> It's working fine
[19:53] <tybaut> I have only one problem. When i want use krunner (alt+F2), when I write the applications name, there isn't autocomplete and I can't launch the application (for ex. konsole) with enter touch
[19:54] <sgclark> hmmm. works for me. anyone else experience this?
[19:54] <soee_> also here works fine
[19:54] <soee_> tybaut: open krunner settings and check if all options are selected
[19:55] <tybaut> For information I have this problem for some days (plasma 5.5.3)
[19:58] <tybaut> soee:all options are selected ->  http://humeurlibre.fr/divers/captureKrunner.png
[20:04] <clivejo> working for me too
[20:07] <soee_> tybaut: try restarting krunner
[20:38] <mparillo> I earlier had a problem with autocomplete in krunner for Okular, but it went away this morning when I upgraded to -staging.
[22:41] <soee_> yofel: did you found time to add this patch to notifier ?
[23:15] <tybaut> sooe: well, same thing after restarting  - http://humeurlibre.fr/divers/krunner_restart.png
[23:16] <tybaut> I shall do new test tomorrow
[23:16] <tybaut> Good night


[08:24] <omac> rsalveti: good evening
[08:25] <omac> i noticed the ubuntu full image available for arm uses the linaro stuff.
[08:51] <infinity> omac: Uses "the linaro stuff"?
[08:53] <omac> well from what I understand there is a linuxonandroid installer.  It refers to an ubuntu1204-v4-full.zip
[08:54] <infinity> Oh, the linuxandroid stuff.  I thought you meant the official Ubuntu images.
[08:54] <infinity> And was confused. :P
[08:54] <omac> that zip when launched spews out information...I saw linaro mentioned in the boot messages
[08:55] <infinity> Well, if "Linaro" was mentioned in the kernel version, that's because it's in our compiler version stamp.
[08:56] <omac> infinity I have an advent vega and tried some different roms out there, but source for them is confusingly everywhere with different branches.
[08:57] <omac> cyanogenmod's version for the vega seems broken because I can't get usb-host-mode working so that I can use a mouse and keyboard with it.
[08:58] <omac> I have vegacomb3.2 installed, but it's a binary but it works and has shuttle gui tools to go into host mode.
[08:59] <omac> the odd thing is once I boot up the ubuntu1204-v4-full.zip within it, when I do an lsusb in it, it doesn't list any devices.
[09:06] <omac> infinity: you made a distinction about official ubuntu images.  They don't mention anything about advent vega.  ubuntu only mention a few other arm devices.
[09:13] <lilstevie> omac, not every arm device out there is supported officially by ubuntu
[09:14] <lilstevie> there are a few devices though that are supported by third parties
[09:17] <omac> pandaboard and pi and some other cool stuff I've seen.
[09:18] <omac> I don't own those yet though.  I would love to simply use what I have.  I thought owning an android device gave me digital liberties I was used to having with ubuntu.  I was wrong.
[09:19] <lilstevie> I don't think the pi has an official image 0.o
[09:20] <omac> pandaboard has a lot of stuff out there and you can build a cluster with those.  VERY COOL.
[09:21] <ogra_> lilstevie, i doub even an inofficial one :)
[09:23] <omac> I saw arm based ubuntu laptop available, but the image on it is ubuntu 10.10
[09:24] <omac> pandaboards are running 12.04...that's an edge for these.
[09:28] <omac> I currently can connect my Advent Vega with VegaComb3.2 Rom to my ubuntu Quantal Quetzal via usb and run/debug from eclipse ADT(android plugin), but I would have liked to see the ubuntu gui on the Advent Vega.  I have not succeeded in seeing Unity displayed on the Advent Vega yet.
[09:29] <omac> any way for me to get ubuntu arm debug messages spewed back to my ubuntu quantal quetzal computer?
[09:31] <omac> It would help me to understand why unity takes so long to boot up on the advent vega tablet.  The other concern is memory/cpu cycles.  android is still running while ubuntu is running.  I would love a way to simply halt the cpu cycles on the android side and place all the priority on the ubuntu side.
[15:27] <ogra_> stgraber, highvoltage, just FYI i have proper console (after initrd) now on the zatab .... still no MMC and still only 350MB
[15:27] <ogra_> (and still no touchscreen ... and wrt driver it looks pretty bad atm (proprietary blob apparently)
[15:28] <ogra_> but with the initrd we can at least see if it fails mounting /
[15:36] <stgraber> nice!
[15:47] <ogra_> yay
[15:47]  * ogra_ has plymouth fsck in front f him
[15:50] <highvoltage> ogra_: how do I get it? do you have an image up somewhere?
[15:50] <ogra_> so the trick is to build *all* display related parts as modules
[15:51] <ogra_> as long as "disp" is a module it will init a framebuffer console
[15:51] <ogra_> (do not compire fbcon, not even as a module)
[15:51] <highvoltage> heh, and here I thought it's always less problematic to do it the other way around
[15:51] <ogra_> indeed having it as a module you better want an initrd :)
[15:55] <ogra_> i wonder if making the mmc stuff modular would fix that too :P
[16:05] <stgraber> well, at least you could try to change load time options (assuming the mmc module has any)
[17:12] <zenx> is anyone able to compile 3.5.0-211.18 for omap4 pandaboard?
[18:11] <zenx> wow, lxde is so light it doesn't even come with a mouse cursor
[18:11] <zenx> :D