[00:00] <nealmcb> Deeps: absolutely.  nice link.  But I'm suggesting he'll get better help in a linux router-oriented channel.
[00:00] <user1> you mean its possible?
[00:00] <user1> Deeps by what application?
[00:00] <Deeps> user1: read lartc.org, all the different tools you'll need are explained there.
[00:01] <user1> oh i got it.
[00:01] <user1> ok
[00:01] <user1> Deeps btw, what are you favorit?
[00:02] <Steven> someone can help me restoring lilo from a rescuecd, i can chroot to the old system
[00:02] <nealmcb> user1: i.e.  #lartc on irc.oftc.net
[00:02] <Tuv0k> keep fishing
[00:02] <user1> k
[00:04] <user1> tough, i had a gui in mind
[00:16] <user1> ..
[00:21] <blueyed> klogd from Hardy hangs in a OpenVZ container.. e.g. during upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy, but also when only installing it in a Gutsy container.
[00:59] <The-Kernel> how do i start sysklogd?
[00:59] <The-Kernel> my logging isn't running.
[01:06] <owh> Now if this actually works I will be well pleased.
[01:07] <owh> Whoot!
[01:08]  * owh is now using an N95 to connect :-)
[01:12] <owh> Hmm, I suppose that means I don't have any excuses not to attend meetings either :-)
[01:25] <mathiaz> kirkland: re your ubuntu search page
[01:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: I wouldn't use your default index page on p.u.c
[01:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: if you start publishing this url and it proves to be a good idea, it'll move somewhere else - and then you won't be able to redirect to the new page
[01:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: so I'd suggest to use something like p.u.c/~kirkland/ubuntu-search.html or something similar
[01:59] <blueyed> openvz is really nice for (linux) virtualisation.. just in case you did not know already.. :)
[01:59] <blueyed> !openvz
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openvz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <Animortis> Can anyone help me understand why my password isn't working on an ftp file server I set up?
[02:12] <Animortis> I assume my server's user I set up should be the one I log in with, but it fails to let me log in.
[02:15] <Animortis> If that's not enough detail... I can explain more if someone asks.
[02:37] <Animortis> How about this question: Why would an FTP server refuse to initiate the LIST command for a client?
[02:43] <ScottK> mathiaz: FWIW, I'm about to do the mail server test for the current candidate.
[02:43] <mathiaz> ScottK: excellent !
[02:44] <mathiaz> ScottK: do you test more than what is written in the testcase ?
[02:44] <ScottK> I'll set the default mail server task, run the tests and then convert it to the configuration I use and continue to use it.
[02:45] <ScottK> mathiaz: I've had sever servers running Hardy for ~2 weeks now with no significant issues.  I'm confident postfix is solid.
[02:46] <ScottK> mathiaz: If you have something specific you want tested, let me know.
[02:46] <mathiaz> ScottK: seems good to me.
[02:46] <mathiaz> ScottK: I don't really have other configuration to tests.
[02:46] <mathiaz> ScottK: the testcase described in the wiki page is simple
[02:47] <mathiaz> ScottK: so I was wondering if you had other ideas about things to be tested.
[02:47] <mathiaz> ScottK: OTOH it may be more complicated as there can be lots of different setup
[02:47] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:48] <ScottK> For the default install it'd be good to look in /var/log/mail.* and report any unusual events logged.
[02:48] <ScottK> I'm still using cyrus-sasl2.  I know that works.
[03:37] <bam287> I am setting up a server.  having problems accessing ftp from xp box.  Gon over vsftpd.conf. changed what i thought i needed to but
[03:38] <bam287> i still can only acsess server anonymousely
[03:38] <bam287> i created a new user to see what i could get
[03:39] <bam287> will not let me connect
[03:39] <bam287> any ideas?
[03:39] <owh> Turn on logging and check the logs
[03:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[03:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: and http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/
[03:42] <mathiaz> kirkland: awesome - I'd also add an explicity sentence on how to report bug/feature request and so on
[03:42] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd just point it to your email address for now
[03:43]  * owh requests a coffee making facility.
[03:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: sure, will probably do that tomorrow
[03:43] <kirkland> I'll add a few lines about the motivation, etc.
[03:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd use @ubuntu.com as it's hosted on p.u.c (but that's a minor point - I'm picky)
[03:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: :-)
[03:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm happy you're pleased with it as is
[03:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: i half expected criticism :-)
[03:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: I found a way to dump xml source code from the Google gadget
[03:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: so I was thinking I'd start a Launchpad project for it
[03:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: what do you think?
[03:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: why not - it seems that there isn't a lot of code yet
[03:46] <owh> If it helps others expand on it, that is always a good thing.
[03:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: not really...  just an index.html and the xml that describes the particulars of the Google Search mechanism
[03:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd start by just leaving your email adress to leave suggestion
[03:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: well my email address is on http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[03:46] <kirkland> "
[03:46] <kirkland> This Google Custom Search is maintained by Dustin Kirkland"
[03:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: right
[03:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can switch from gmail -> ubuntu.com
[03:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: that's enough I think
[03:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: done.
[03:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's true that sharing the code is usefull and recommended - but in this case it's really not a lot of code
[03:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: its not a lot, but i'm thinking there could be a license that we should choose for it
[03:47] <owh> Go to bed!
[03:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: I think that's awesome
[03:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: b/c, goobuntu.com could redo their search using it
[03:48] <kirkland> and add the ads
[03:48] <kirkland> whereas i think we'd like to be ad free
[03:49] <owh> Your eyelids are getting heavy...
[03:50] <kirkland> g'night ;-)
[03:50] <owh> :-)
[05:16] <jibwn> I'd like to set up my first RAID with a pile of 300G IDE drives I have laying around. Are there any IDE specific issues I need to be aware of that I haven't seen?
[05:43] <Lucutious> Greetings!  I just installed Ubuntu Server version 7.10, however it did not prompt me for a root password.  How do I set / retrieve / change the root password?
[05:44] <Lucutious> I can log in as the user I made, mike, but I can't even add myself to the sudo list as I don't have and wasn't prompted for the root password
[05:45] <ScottK> Lucutious: You should be in the sudo list already
[05:46] <ScottK> Just sudo $whatever and use your password.
[05:46] <Lucutious> How can I view the sudo list to verify?
[05:46] <ScottK> Just use it and see.
[05:46]  * ScottK goes to bed.
[05:50] <Lucutious> ScottK, if you're still there, it's not working
[05:52] <Lucutious> #set passwd root ---> passwd: You may not view or modify password information for root.
[05:52] <Lucutious> err
[05:52] <Lucutious> $set passwd root ---> passwd: You may not view or modify password information for root.
[05:52] <Lucutious> and if I try...
[05:52] <sommer> Lucutious: if you do sudo passwd you'll be able to login as root
[05:53] <Lucutious> set passwd root --->  It prompts for the password for mike, and then says "mike is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[05:53] <sommer> is that the user you setup during install?
[05:53] <Lucutious> Absolutely
[05:54] <Lucutious> hence why I'm so confused and flustered
[05:54] <sommer> you'll need to boot into recovery mode in taht case and set the password, or add the "mike" user to /etc/sudoers
[05:55] <sommer> /taht/that
[06:08] <Lucutious> Sommer thanks
[06:16] <tengulre> why I got Hash Sum mismatch when I using apt-get update
[06:41] <sommer> Lucutious: np
[07:48] <J-_> I'm having a really rough time with mod+rewrite in dapper, and .htaccess. I do sudo "apache2 -l" and it doesn't list the mod_rewrite module. But when I "a2enmod rewrite" it says it's enabled. I'm not sure what to put in my .htaccess file, I've tried many things, and it hasn't worked. Someone please help me.
[07:49] <_ruben> J-_: you did restart your apache?
[07:49] <J-_> Yes
[07:50] <_ruben> hmm .. dont have any dapper boxes, so cant check
[07:51] <J-_> s/+/_
[07:52] <J-_> I'll ask in #ubuntu, see if I get a response
[08:09] <_ruben> interesting .. it *seems* that with hardy jeos, the login prompt actually appears *after* all startup scripts ran .. then again, its a rather basic install: not many services to start
[08:39] <nijaba> good morning
[08:40] <_ruben> morning
[08:41] <nijaba> _ruben: I belive that all hardy version now have the login prompt displayed once all services have started on tty1.  One can still login immediately on tty2, 3 etc... though
[08:42] <_ruben> nijaba: ic, i wasnt complaining though, i was kinda 'surprised' that this "cosmetic bug" got fixed :-)
[08:42] <nijaba> _ruben: a hard fight ;)
[08:43] <_ruben> hehe
[08:46] <_ruben> hmm .. wonder if there's an 'easy' way to roll ia32 compat libs yourself .. missing some 32bits libs to run the vmware's mui on 64bits host
[08:51] <_ruben> damn .. tried to work around it by using some symlink-foo .. but it craps out on libdb
[08:51] <_ruben> /usr/lib/vmware-mui/apache/bin/httpd.vmware: /usr/lib32/libdb.so.3: version `GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/vmware-mui/apache/bin/httpd.vmware)
[08:53] <juliux> LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/vmware-mui/apache/bin/httpd.vmware shoudl help
[08:58] <_ruben> lets try that
[08:59] <juliux> or try LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libdb.so.3
[09:00] <juliux> if that also not works search for ypir libdb.so.3 and give the path from that to the LD_PRELOAD
[09:01] <_ruben> doesnt work .. libdb.so.3 is a symlink i just made, pointing to libdb-4.3.so
[09:01] <_ruben> whcih is the only libdb i could find in ia32-libs
[09:01]  * _ruben sometimes hates 64bits
[09:11] <_ruben> seems i need a ia32 variant of the libdb1-compat package
[10:02] <kraut> moin
[10:03] <_ruben> mornin
[10:21] <daeron> hi there!
[10:21] <daeron> I have a problem with vsftpd
[10:21] <daeron> I can't see anything online
[10:21] <daeron> some ideas?
[10:45] <bip> anybody currently working with vmware server here ?
[11:33] <creAtion> bip: yeah I have vmware server running
[11:59] <_ruben> nijaba: i doubt the "cleaner" boot process will be backported to say gutsy gibbon? (talking about the services starting after the login prompt is shown)
[13:38] <_ruben> man .. my connection to nl.archive.ubuntu.com is really crappy lately .. probably applies to the internet pipe here in general, but only noticing it with mass downloads from archive
[13:43]  * delcoyote hi
[13:48] <_ruben> Jeeves_ / henkjan : any known problems on your side? im guessing its my side crapping out, but just curious ;-)
[13:49] <Jeeves_> _ruben: Define 'problems'
[13:49] <_ruben> debmirror is giving me "Transfer truncated: only 2487018 out of 2891236 bytes received" every now and then
[13:49] <Jeeves_> _ruben: What's the ip you're coming from?
[13:49] <_ruben> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:50] <_ruben> happened twice now .. could very well be my side .. pipe's been acting up lately
[13:50] <_ruben> tho http wasnt really affected untill now
[13:51] <Jeeves_> You're using ftp
[13:52] <_ruben> am not
[13:52] <Jeeves_> Right?
[13:52] <_ruben> http
[13:52] <Jeeves_> Why not rsync?
[13:53] <_ruben> rsync and ftp gave problems earlier .. connection stalls .. http did work fine untill today i decided to mirror uni and multiverse as well (had only main before)
[13:53] <_ruben> can give rsync a try again, to see if that seems more stable now
[13:56] <_ruben> Jeeves_: running in rsync mode now, lets see if it'll hold :)
[14:03] <Jeeves_> _ruben: Ack
[14:18] <_ruben> hmm .. so far so good
[14:49] <sommer> jdstrand: in the rules files used by ufw is there a way to add an "include" statement referencing another file?
[14:50] <jdstrand> sommer: no
[14:50] <sommer> ah, thanks
[14:50] <jdstrand> jdstrand: these are simple iptables-restore/iptables-save type files
[14:50] <jdstrand> sommer: ^
[14:51] <sommer> jdstrand: I see, I was just wondering, and couldn't find anything specific regarding that on the interwebs
[15:19]  * faulkes- yawns
[15:46] <sommer> mathiaz: hello, I just was wondering if a "install everything" test should be added to the iso qa list?
[15:57] <mathiaz> sommer: you mean install all the tasks or install all the packages shipped on the -server iso ?
[16:01] <sommer> mathiaz: all the tasks... I was thinking of that bug in gutsy that didn't add the user to sudo on install
[16:01] <sommer> mathiaz: didn't that only show up when installing all the tasks?  I may be mis-remembering
[16:02] <mathiaz> sommer: the specific bug was triggered when you'd install mail-server, and leave postfix unconfigured
[16:02] <mathiaz> sommer: we've never hit this bug because we'd always configure postfix when we install it...
[16:03] <sommer> mathiaz: oh right, I remember now... so that doesn't have anything to do with all tasks :)
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: yes
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: but I agree that install every package on the cd would be interesting to do
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: there may be some conflict though
[16:04] <mathiaz> sommer: exim and postfix may be both shipped on the cd
[16:05] <Lucutious> Greetings!  I know it's not direct Ubuntu-server support, but if anyone has a moment or 2 I'm having issues with my proftpd
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: gotcha, I think the current tests are good, just wanted to double check about that bug
[16:05] <sommer> thanks mathiaz
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: well - you can try to install a mail-server task and then leave postfix unconfigured (I think it's the default choice)
[16:07] <sommer> mathiaz: cool, I'll give it a quick test
[16:07] <sommer> Lucutious: what's your issue?
[16:07] <Lucutious> sommer:  I can't get it to start.  It says to check my configuration, but honestly I don't know quite what to look for
[16:08] <Lucutious> Looking at the website for it, but it's not giving me clues as I understand
[16:08] <sommer> Lucutious: are thare eny errors in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/daemon.log pertaining to proftpd?
[16:08] <Lucutious> let me look
[16:11] <Lucutious> sommer:  no, not that I can see, and doing a search of "proftpd" yielded nothing as well.
[16:12] <Lucutious> When I boot the machine it does give one line:
[16:13] <Lucutious> ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode.  Check your configuration.
[16:13] <Lucutious> and after typing that, I think I see it.  I need to set it to be standalone i think
[16:13] <sommer> Lucutious: probably worth trying :)
[16:15] <sommer> Lucutious: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure proftpd... should give you a dialog to change it
[16:15] <Lucutious> awesome, thanks I'll try that
[16:21] <Lucutious> sommer:  Well, it started!  the machine is actively refusing sonnections on port 21 still, though, so Hmm
[16:22] <sommer> Lucutious: are there any errors?  do you have a firewall configued to block the port?
[16:23] <Lucutious> sommer to be honest, i don't know where to look for errors.  this is day 2 of using ubunto, or any non-windows os.  I don't believe I have any firewall on the machine right this moment.  that was gonig to be configured next
[16:23] <Lucutious> the error I gave was the one my ftp client gave me, that the machine was actively refusing connections
[16:24] <sommer> Lucutious: ah, most services will log errors to /var/log/syslog, so that's the best place to check first
[16:24] <Lucutious> ok let me look there
[16:25] <sommer> Lucutious: also, did you modify /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf?
[16:26] <Lucutious> sommer: no errors found, and again i did a search for "proftpd"
[16:26] <Lucutious> sommer:  well no, i didn't.  Something tells me, however, that as you mentioned it I probably should have :-)
[16:26] <Lucutious> let me look at that file
[16:27] <sommer> Lucutious: I installed proftpd and didn't need to change the config any, you might search for "ftp" in /var/log/syslog and make sure there isn't anything
[16:27] <Lucutious> I make no misrepresentation, I'm completely out of my element, but I surely appreciate you helping me.
[16:27] <sommer> Lucutious: np
[16:28] <sommer> Lucutious: you can also make sure proftpd is running by: ps -ef | grep ftp
[16:28] <sommer> it should return information about the proftpd process
[16:29] <Lucutious> ok, searched for ftp in syslog and it returned nothing, and when I used that command, it returned:
[16:29] <Lucutious> root     4344  4311  0  11:28  tty1   00:00:00 grep ftp
[16:30] <sommer> Lucutious: that means that proftpd isn't actually running... try sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start
[16:32] <Lucutious> Hmm this seems odd to me
[16:32] <Lucutious> I staretd it via your command, and it returned:  ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd.
[16:32] <Lucutious> Then i re-typed the ps -ef | grep ftp, but gave me same thing as before
[16:36] <Lucutious> sommer may I /msg you for a private question?
[16:36]  * nealmcb chuckles at the server team minutes
[16:36] <sommer> Lucutious: sure
[16:41] <Lucutious> sommer: did you see the /msg?
[16:43] <sommer> Lucutious: nope, have you registered your nick with freenode?
[16:44] <Lucutious> no, that's probably why, huh
[16:44] <Lucutious> lemme do that
[16:44] <sommer> Lucutious: I was just thinking... do you have to use proftpd?
[16:44] <sommer> Lucutious: another ftp server I've used is vsftpd
[16:44] <Lucutious> No I don't ahve to use any specific one
[16:44] <Lucutious> the simpler the better, in my case, until I learn this thing yet
[16:45] <sommer> Lucutious: you can find a quick guide for vsftpd here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[16:45] <sommer> I think vsftpd is simpler, runs as it's own service, instead of the xinetd option
[16:46] <\sh> sommer, proftpd runs as standalone service, too, means without inetd
[16:47] <\sh> sommer, you have to configure it, though
[16:47] <sommer> \sh: ya, but I think for a newcomer it may be less confusing to use vsftpd, but then again maybe not :)
[16:48] <Lucutious> Is there anything I need to do to un-install proftpd?
[16:48] <\sh> apt-get remove --purge proftpd?
[17:03] <Lucutious> sommer Yay it seems to be working!  Minor issue, however lol - I need to setup users, and if I read this right I need to setup a user for the system, it can't just be a user for ftp?  or am I terrible confused
[17:06] <sommer> Lucutious: the ftp user should be setup, but the default vsftpd config only allows system users access
[17:06] <sommer> Lucutious: are you wanting to share files with the Internet or just to your local LAN?
[17:07] <sommer> basically you need to decide what kind of access permissions you need :)
[17:07] <Lucutious> Just the local lan.  I think using FTP is more secure than just giving my smf forums 777 access to all, so I need to create a user for my smf forums so it can change the files it needs to change
[17:08] <Lucutious> Maybe some day I'll get into opening it up for everyone, but not today
[17:09] <sommer> Lucutious: ah, yep that should work, you can user the useradd utility to create the user, then just configure your forum to use it
[17:09] <Lucutious> sudo /etc/useradd <-- guessing?
[17:11] <sommer> Lucutious: woops, I meant adduser :(... sudo adduser should get you there
[17:11] <sommer> though I think there is a useradd... heh
[17:11] <sommer> yep, so either one
[17:24] <Lucutious> sommer Awesome!  this os working out awesome
[17:27] <sommer> Lucutious: cool, glad to hear it :-)
[17:30] <Lucutious> lol it's always something.  I need to tweak permissions for the user I created.  Right now it cannot write to any file.  I think I enabled it in vsftpd.conf but i'll recheck.  Is there user settings I might need to tweak somewhere?
[17:32] <Lucutious> Alternatively, I could just grant php permissions to create a directory and write to it, but I'm unsure how to do that as well
[17:32] <sommer> Lucutious: does the use have a home directory?  /home/user_name? if not sudo mkdir /home/user_name
[17:33] <Lucutious> well i made it's home directory the /var/www directory, as it's only going to be used by smf
[17:34] <sommer> Lucutious: ah, then you'll want to edit the user's entry in /etc/passwd to reflect that
[17:34] <sommer> Lucutious: or you can use the usermod command
[17:35] <Lucutious> at least, I made it that in webmin, but when I log in it dumps me in the /var directory so i bed i did something wrong or it saved wrong
[17:35] <Lucutious> i'll try that usermod command
[17:36] <Lucutious> Ya still dumps me in the /var one
[17:38] <sommer> Lucutious: maybe restart vsftpd?
[17:39] <Lucutious> good idea
[17:41] <Lucutious> ok, restarted and it's still doingthe same dumb thing
[17:41] <Lucutious> but even that's ok, easy to work around
[17:42] <Lucutious> now I'm being told that PHP doens't have permission to create a directory and/or write files /sigh
[17:42] <sommer> does the ftp user have rights to the directory?  ls -l /var will tell you
[17:43] <sommer> the php thing is probably because the www-data user needs rights to the directory as well
[17:44] <Lucutious> ok ls -l /var spit out a binch of stuff, going down to the www dir it says:
[17:45] <Lucutious> drwxr-xr-x  8  root  root  4096  2008-14-17  10:25 www
[17:48] <sommer> try chown www-data.yourftpuser /var/www, you might need to add the -R switch which will adjust subdirectories as well
[17:50] <faulkes-> if he's trying to write there, wouldn't he need to chmod g+w them as well?
[17:54] <Lucutious> g and w, those are write and change permissions, right?
[17:54] <sommer> yes, that too... thanks faulkes :)
[17:54] <faulkes-> g+w sets the directory/file to allow group members to write
[17:54] <Lucutious> ahh cool
[18:14] <Lucutious> Yayayayay
[18:14] <Lucutious> suchhappy times, and I learned a lot, too
[18:15] <Lucutious> I think I just have one more thing to do, but that might be a pain so I wanna get the rest setup first
[18:16] <Lucutious> sendmail ><
[18:18] <Tuv0k> I forget the proper way to clean out old scripts from /etc/init.d/?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> the program is not installed
[19:32] <sommer> nijaba: hello, I was just thinking that a good whitepaper topic may be likewise-open integration with AD
[19:44] <mvo> hi! it would be great if someone could check http://paste.ubuntu.com/7316/ I got those in a big dapper->hardy upgrade test
[19:45] <infinity> mvo: I think that's a case of non-conffile -> conffile promotion.
[21:38] <ScottK> mathiaz: mail server test on yesterday's daily went well.  No issues with the CD.  I edited the test procedure to better match what the CD presents.
[21:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: awesome ! thanks
[21:50] <duiu> Can ubuntu-server be used to run a RAID server without having a monitor connected to it?
[21:51] <Deeps> sure
[21:51] <duiu> any extra config required for no-monitor?
[21:52] <Deeps> nope, once you're installed, make sure openssh-server is installed, and just ssh to the machine and configure like that
[21:52] <ScottK> You'll want SSH so you can connect remotely.
[21:53] <duiu> and it'll start all the samba services without having to ssh everytime after I install them?
[21:53] <Deeps> if correctly configured (which it is by default apon installing samba), yes
[21:53] <duiu> awesome
[21:54] <duiu> I've been tinkering with FreeNAS but haven't really been a major fan, so this should be better.
[21:55] <Deeps> this is much bigger and requires you to configure everything manually,
[21:55] <duiu> I know
[21:55] <duiu> but FreeNAS is really annoying
[21:55] <Deeps> in what way?
[21:56] <duiu> anything un-default is a major PITA to set up
[21:56] <Deeps> in what way?
[21:56] <duiu> it just doesn't work well
[21:56] <Deeps> fair enough
[21:57] <duiu> I had to leave all my SAMBA shares to be password free b/c it kept locking me out
[21:58] <duiu> thanks
[22:06] <Animortis> Anyone familiar with FTP servers? Having trouble when my server gets to the LIST command...
[23:05] <ScottK> leonel: Are you up for some clamav updates?
[23:06] <ScottK> leonel: Debian's updates due to 0.93 are out.  I've just asked to have the latest sync'ed for Hardy.
[23:07] <leonel> ScottK:  don't know what happened  to  213500
[23:08] <leonel> and  bug #217361
[23:08] <ubotu> Bug 217361 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/217361 is private
[23:08] <ScottK> Dunno.
[23:09] <leonel> for  bug #217361   I'm already working  on the patch
[23:09] <ubotu> Bug 217361 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/217361 is private
[23:09] <ScottK> Great.
[23:09] <leonel> but since  there are 2  bug reports for clamav     don't know how to proceed with the  lattest
[23:09] <ScottK> I'm going to backport Hardy -> Dapper and then see about getting that pushed into updates.
[23:09] <leonel> or merge both in 1 diff
[23:10] <ScottK> Ask jdstrand how he wants you to proceed.
[23:10] <leonel> ScottK:  OK I'll do
[23:12] <leonel> ScottK:  I've made  a deb for 0.93  based on  your  0.92.1 deb   enabling the rar libs  that for my servers
[23:13] <ScottK> leonel: 0.93 will be rather more complicated due to the soname change in libclamav, a bunch of config option changes, and an incompatible on disk database format.  I'm working on it.
[23:13] <leonel> ScottK: yes I saw that  but as I only use clamav  with clamsmtp   the soname change didn't affected my setup
[23:14] <leonel> but will be for  the  backport
[23:14] <ScottK> Right.  Should work for you, but for the distro it's a major pain.
[23:14] <leonel> and as allways   if you need  help    .. just press F1    ..
[23:14] <leonel> ScottK:  haha if I can help to test  just let me know  and I'll make tine
[23:15] <ajmitch> ScottK: sounds like some minor changes, a week before release
[23:16] <ajmitch> But you have to accept the pain of the update at some point, I guess
[23:18] <ScottK> ajmitch: We're passing on 0.93 for Hardy.  To hard.  I do want to make sure our package has all the security fixes though.
[23:18] <ScottK> I'm going to try and get it into hardy-backports at the release.
[23:21] <ajmitch> Which means updating about 20 other packages in backports again?
[23:31] <ScottK> Yep
[23:33] <ScottK> leonel: I just marked your bub a dupe of bug 217256 since it was filed first.
[23:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217256 in clamav "ClamAV Upack Processing Buffer Overflow Vulnerability" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217256
[23:33] <ScottK> Gotta run.


[02:23] <tim> hi, I'm new to xfce. Can somebody tell me how to enable compositing, so my popup notifications don't look all crazy? That, or how to make the popup notifications not look crazy?
[03:30] <lupita> hi
[03:32] <lupita> anybody here?
[03:34] <allstars1aus> anyone here?  I have a question about Xubuntu.
[03:34] <lupita> hi, can you help me?
[03:34] <lupita> We both have questions.
[03:34] <allstars1aus> How can I write to the xubuntu file system?
[03:35] <lupita> What do you want to do? Edit something?
[03:35] <allstars1aus> yes
[03:35] <lupita> Open it with mousepad
[03:35] <allstars1aus> I need to gain permission to access the file system
[03:35] <lupita> with your password?
[03:35] <allstars1aus> how do I set a password etc so I have access
[03:36] <lupita> with the same password you write when xubuntu starts
[03:36] <allstars1aus> I didn't get a password when I installed xubuntu to usb flash drive.  I need to create a password and access permission to the file system.
[03:37] <lupita> I don't know how to do that
[03:37] <allstars1aus> basically,  override the security and allow me to write/save/ to files.
[03:38] <allstars1aus> do this throught the G UI
[03:39] <lupita> did you try to open a terminal and then typing sudo mousepad and the path of the file?
[03:40] <allstars1aus> I don't want to use ther terminal...I want to open and save files within the windows.
[03:40] <allstars1aus> is there a program in "Applications"  that can set access / passwords ?
[03:41] <lupita> Oh, you want to create folders like in "Documents'
[03:41] <allstars1aus> I want to edit files with mouse pad, then save it.   it won't allow me to write.
[03:41] <allstars1aus> *won't allow me to save.
[03:42] <lupita> To do that you must first open a terminal
[03:42] <allstars1aus> yes I understand that..using sudo,  but I want to use the windows.
[03:42] <lupita> no, i don't know.
[03:43] <allstars1aus> in "applications" menu,  I found "System" >> "Authorizations"
[03:43] <lupita> An hour ago I had to edit a file because my computer didn't turn off properly, and I did it using the terminal to open the file
[03:44] <allstars1aus> ok.
[03:44] <lupita> It's really sad that there's nobody here to ask
[03:44] <allstars1aus> I really want to use mousepad to edit and save.
[03:45] <lupita> what version of xubuntu you have? 9.4 or 9.10?
[03:45] <allstars1aus> 9.04
[03:46] <allstars1aus> I'm running a persistant install on 8 gig usb flash drive.
[03:46] <lupita> I want to ask something about 9.10
[03:47] <allstars1aus> is 9.10 an official release now ?
[03:47] <lupita> yes
[03:47] <allstars1aus> ok.  it was "release candidate" last time I checked.
[03:47] <lupita> But, in my case it had a really big bug
[03:48] <allstars1aus> what ?
[03:48] <lupita> in the shutdown. It didn't shut down or restart correctly
[03:48] <allstars1aus> ok.
[03:49] <lupita> I have a wubi installation of 9.4 and then in the upgrade you get this bug
[03:50] <allstars1aus> are you using the "release candidate" version ?
[03:50] <allstars1aus> if so, that could explain the bugginess
[03:51] <lupita> Well, I dont know, when you open "Update Manager" it says that there's and upgrade
[03:52] <allstars1aus> have you updated your files with "update manager" ?
[03:52] <allstars1aus> most recent updates.
[03:52] <lupita> yes
[03:52] <allstars1aus> are you using an old pc?
[03:53] <lupita> hp pavillion celeron 2003
[03:53] <allstars1aus> ok.. some older pc's refuse to shut down correctly, like my old pentium 3 & 2.
[03:54] <allstars1aus> it shuts down ok with 9.04 ?
[03:54] <lupita> yes, that was not the problem, it was a bug. I corrected it an hour ago
[03:54] <allstars1aus> ok.
[03:55] <lupita> now, i'm here because I like start up sounds, I had them in 9.04, but now  with 9.10 I don't know how to do it
[03:58] <allstars1aus> how did it work in 9.04 ?
[03:59] <lupita> I think it was in "log in screen" there is a tab where you can browse a sound in your pc. But The firs one has to be a very short sound, the one for the "Log in" the other one not so small
[04:00] <allstars1aus> ok.
[04:01] <lupita> did you find them in "login screen"? Because here on 9.10 there's nothing
[04:01] <allstars1aus> I"m looking now.
[04:02] <allstars1aus> maybe use catfish to find it.
[04:03] <lupita> I don't know how to use that thing, I never find nothing with it. Please, tell me, are the sounds there in "login screen"?
[04:03] <allstars1aus> I'm searching for it with catfish now..
[04:05] <allstars1aus> I found login.wav
[04:06] <lupita> oh, let me see
[04:07] <lupita> no, i searched "login.wav" and finds nothing
[04:09] <allstars1aus> make sure you select 'file system'  under the folder title.
[04:09] <allstars1aus> in the search box type:  login
[04:09] <allstars1aus> then search
[04:11] <allstars1aus> you should see a long list of login references.
[04:11] <kgee> Ive got an Xubuntu 9.10 live CD running on 3-4 year old hardware. The desktop install icon keeps crashing. Does anyone know how to invoke the installer via command line so I can get a little more info on the problem?
[04:12] <lupita> it's searching...
[04:13] <Techie_> was somebody having trouble with a persistant jaunty USB
[04:13] <allstars1aus> me.  I want to access the file system..
[04:13] <allstars1aus> I have xubuntu 9.04 on persistant usb.
[04:13] <allstars1aus> * I want to write/save to the file system.  It won't allow me.
[04:14] <allstars1aus> I need the access permission,  setup a password  or something..
[04:15] <Techie_> to write to system files you will need to use sudo
[04:15] <Techie_> do you want to use a graphical text editor?
[04:16] <allstars1aus> yes. I want to use mousepad.
[04:16] <Techie_> wait, are you accessing the filesystem from within the usb, or are you modifying the casper-rw file externally
[04:17] <allstars1aus> I want to modify a  .desktop text file, then save it.
[04:17] <Techie_> kk
[04:17] <Techie_> sudo mousepad /dir/to/file.desktop
[04:18] <allstars1aus> ok. thanks..
[04:18] <allstars1aus> but how do I over ride the security access so I can do it from a the window ?
[04:19] <Techie_> you could chmod the file
[04:19] <allstars1aus> there must be a setting ..
[04:19] <Techie_> then everyone can write to it
[04:19] <Techie_> sudo chmod a+w /dri/to/file.desktop
[04:19] <allstars1aus> what does "chmod" do ?
[04:20] <Techie_> changes the file permissions
[04:20] <Techie_> a+w = all write
[04:20] <allstars1aus> ok thanks..
[04:20] <Techie_> so it allows all users write access to the file
[04:21] <Techie_> good to see im not the only person who finds it handy to have a large persistant USB
[04:21] <lupita> is there a way to hear a startup sound on xubuntu 9.10?
[04:21] <Techie_> lupita, im not sure, but you could always use mplayer and a cron job
[04:22] <lupita> what is a cron job
[04:22] <Techie_> !cron
[04:22] <lupita> oh, ok thank you very much.
[04:22] <allstars1aus> Techie,  I installed xubuntu 9.04 to 8g usb, then had to resize the casper-rw file to approx. 4 gigs.  I have no problems with the update manager or synaptic package manager now..
[04:22] <Techie_> no problem
[04:24] <allstars1aus> thanks for the sudo instructions, but how can I set a password to write to the file system from a window?
[04:24] <allstars1aus> a windows should open asking for a password.
[04:25] <Techie_> if you want to enter your password graphically you can use gksudo
[04:25] <allstars1aus> where's that ?
[04:25] <Techie_> just run it instead of sudo
[04:25] <Techie_> so
[04:26] <Techie_> gksudo mousepad /dir/to/file.desktop
[04:26] <allstars1aus> ok.
[04:29] <allstars1aus> let's say, you right click on the file the file  " /etc/mtab", then you "open with.." >> mousepad,
[04:29] <allstars1aus> then, you modify the file, and select "save"...
[04:30] <allstars1aus> but it refuses to save.. (because you don't have permission)
[04:31] <allstars1aus> I need to setup a password prompt to allow me to write to files from a window.
[04:31] <allstars1aus> where are the global file access/password settings located ?
[04:32] <allstars1aus> so I can write to any file from a window
[04:32] <allstars1aus> a password prompt should open, then give me access to the file.
[04:33] <Techie_> try find a way to edit the open with application, and prefix it with gksudo
[04:33] <_Pete_> first:
[04:33] <_Pete_> sudo -i
[04:33] <_Pete_> then:
[04:33] <_Pete_> emacs
[04:33] <_Pete_> = everything works
[04:34] <allstars1aus> when you say "everything works"  will that allow me to write to system files ?
[04:34] <_Pete_> yes
[04:35] <allstars1aus> ok.
[04:35] <Techie_> _Pete_, or sudo su
[04:37] <allstars1aus> thanks for your help everyone..
[04:37] <kgee> I'm having trouble with the desktop install icon on my live CD. How do I invoke the OS install via command line to see what the trouble is?
[04:37] <allstars1aus> I'll fire up the terminal and try it.
[04:38] <Techie_> kgee, its in the menu
[04:39] <kgee> Ah, I see it. Hopefully it doesnt fail in the same fashion.
[04:40] <kgee> preferably not at all
[04:41] <Techie_> kgee, may the force be with you
[04:50] <kgee> when I try to install, ubiquity crashes with an I/O error. A ctrl+alt+f2 shows a stream of slowly accumulating I/O errors on device sr0. Some quick google work says this is my disc drive. I am currently typing to you off said live cd, so I think the disc is good. Any ideas?
[04:54] <kgee> *sigh* Im going to go check the disc hash. Might have to burn another CD. Or check the cd drive/ide cable for faulty hardware. Later!
[05:58] <smeags> anyone have an eeepc netbook?
[06:07] <ron_o> I' liked the old emelfm file manager. The new one isn't as good. How can I get the old one? Do I need to compile? Any repos out there?
[06:10] <ron_o> I think I found a deb package for it...
[06:11] <ron_o> go look and see if it works. I really hate compiling.
[06:19] <Guest19752> anybody here
[06:22] <ron_o> shhhhh, no...
[11:55] <valdu55> Hello. I want use two netwoks at same time
[11:56] <valdu55> VLC uses one network and Firefox and other apps Internet.
[11:56] <valdu55> I have two inf. Wlan and Eth
[12:57] <K3rl0u4rn> hi people, just installed karmic koala and having trouble with some administrative tasks such as installing nvidia drivers... I can't "unlock" the dialog windows
[12:57] <K3rl0u4rn> anyone could help ?
[15:33] <Scotch> what is the command to increase the volume (or decrease it) ?
[15:35] <dm_synck> alsamixer, maybe ?
[15:36] <Scotch> I'm using pulseaudio, does that make any difference ?
[15:37] <dm_synck> Oh, not sure about pulseaudio. Never worked with it.
[15:38] <dm_synck> You might still try alsamixer and see if that does what you need.
[15:38] <Scotch> amixer seems to work, thanks
[15:39] <dm_synck> No problem. Glad I could help.
[15:52] <oles_> привет
[15:52] <oles_> hello
[15:56] <oles_> какой командой отключить икс систему?
[15:58] <jcfp> !ru | oles_
[15:58] <oles_> how can i stop X server on ubuntu?
[15:59] <oles_> xubuntu
[15:59] <oles_> 9.10
[16:34] <oles_> is it possible to make xubuntu fast like puppy linux?
[17:46] <sanguis> so I just diud a clean install of xubuntu 9.10 with ext4 partitions on thi9s older machine.  it was running ubuntu 9.04. half the time whne I turn the machine on I get a blank screen.
[17:46] <sanguis> I can buy pass this by hitting <f5> at ste the boot, selecting safe mode then logging in normal and reunning startx
[17:47] <sanguis> is there a way to fix this?
[17:54] <slow-motion> hi
[17:54] <likemindead> !hi
[17:56] <Anonymos> hi
[17:56] <Anonymos> i made dual boot with xp. xubuntu installed first. how to fix my grub
[18:00] <likemindead> Yeah, it's best to install Windows first, Anonymos. Hold on one second.
[18:00] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Fix+GRUB
[18:15] <Anonymos> i know how to google
[18:15] <Anonymos> i just found many and different guides
[19:03] <Techie> !xbmc
[19:05]  * rr_lap smacks rr72
[19:06] <rr_lap> I am having problems with my hotkey for brightness on my laptop
[19:06] <rr_lap> I found a fix so I can change it via command line but now I am trying somehow change the event that my keys trigger
[19:07] <rr_lap> running 9.10 on a HP compaq 8510w, I found a "bugfix" but haven't figured it out
[19:15] <sanguisdex1> so when I try booting into xubuntu 9.10 I get and error saying "general error mounting file system" right before the screen goes blank. any takers?
[19:23] <sanguisdex1> any one else have this issue?
[19:23] <rr_lap> nope not for me
[19:23] <rr_lap> i am having problems with hotkeys and screen brightness
[19:25] <sanguisdex1> rr_lap: lucky you
[21:39] <xenol> hello, i am interested in using albatross. however, it seems that it needs some engine. which one?
[21:39] <slow-motion> n8
[21:43] <Guest7294> anybody have an eeepc
[23:38] <C00LARR01> i am wanting to buy a usb wifi adapter and looking to see if anyone has any good experiece with a certain make and model?


  Do you all feel that ChromeOS will hinder Ubuntu from making further inroads into the netbook market?
[07:56] <ashtray> brb
[18:31] <crimsun> not sure why it would, really
[18:31] <crimsun> ^ 02:55 < ashtray> So.  Do you all feel that ChromeOS will hinder Ubuntu from making further inroads into the netbook market?
[20:05] <maco> crimsun: any objection to me banning that person? the constant "anyone wanna skype?" and the "what are you wearing?" ... bit creepy. and in PM ive heard same from others...
[20:06] <crimsun> I certainly don't have any objections
[20:08] <maco> kk
[20:08] <maco> hrmm new ircd...


[12:04] <\sh> mdz: hehe...my crystall ball :) i like it :)
[12:05] <\sh> mdz: anyways..I will get him into the team...
[12:05] <ogra> if he answers :)
[12:05] <\sh> he will :)
[12:06] <mdz> please CC me on the correspondence
[12:06] <\sh> mdz: k
[12:06] <mdz> does that resolve everything regarding wine for the purposes of this meeting?
[12:06] <ogra> sure
[12:06] <\sh> mdz: thx
[12:06] <mdz> great
[12:07] <sabdfl> we should definitely have Master MOTU primarily responsible for UVF decisions
[12:07] <mdz> are there any maintainer candidates to be processed?
[12:07] <ajmitch> sabdfl: which is dholbach  & ogra at the moment, iirc
[12:07] <ogra> yay, more work :)
[12:07] <\sh> ogra: thx for taking it :)
[12:08] <ogra> mdz, nope...
[12:08] <dholbach> unfortunately, i'm not that often on IRC, people would have to mail me
[12:08] <ajmitch> ogra: you like it though
[12:08] <ogra> ajmitch, sure.... keeps me on track ;)
[12:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: just hand out your phone number for us
[12:08] <ogra> hehe
[12:08] <mdz> ok
[12:08] <\sh> ajmitch: what about u?
[12:08] <dholbach> yeah
[12:08] <mdz> any other business?
[12:08] <dholbach> that's an excellent idea, ajmitch :)
[12:08] <\sh> mdz: w8 pls
[12:08] <ajmitch> \sh: what about me?
[12:08] <mdz> \sh: yes?
[12:09] <sabdfl> dholbach, ogra: am happy for you to delegate more UVF decisions to the community, as long as you are careful with infrastructure stuff that has lots of dependencies
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: to be UVF spokesman?
[12:09] <\sh> I like the idea
[12:09] <dholbach> sabdfl: ok
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: you'll have to ask the others
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: who?
[12:09] <ogra> sabdfl, thanks :)
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: ogra & dholbach, for one
[12:10] <\sh> if ogra and dholbach have the time ++++ for me..
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: I can do it, but it's not my decision of course :)
[12:11] <ogra> \sh, i trust your judgement if it comes to packages... be one of our delegates then as well as i trust ajmitch
[12:11] <ogra> siretart, what about you ?
[12:11] <dholbach> i'm sure we'll manage
[12:11] <\sh> then it's settled
[12:11] <siretart> ogra: sure!
[12:12] <ogra> oki.. we can manage the deatils elsewhere, thanks mdz
[12:12] <\sh> I'm breaking my harddrive again :)
[12:12] <dholbach> what about yet-another-wiki-page?
[12:12] <dholbach> :)
[12:12] <\sh> dholbach: not like the last one, pls
[12:12] <siretart> dholbach: you know my love for wiki pages ;)
[12:12] <dholbach> that's settled then :)
[12:12] <\sh> done..thx mdz
[12:12] <\sh> thx sabdfl
[12:13] <mdz> ok
[12:13] <mdz> is there any other business which is not on the agenda?
[12:13] <\sh> doesn't look like...beer now? gf is w8ing as well
[12:14] <mdz> ok, meeting adjourned
[12:14] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[12:14] <\sh> thx to u
[12:14] <sabdfl> night all
[12:14] <ogra> \sh, you already call her gf ... aha
[12:14] <\sh> ogra:oops
[12:14] <ogra> night sabdfl
[12:14] <dholbach> bye sabdfl :)
[12:14] <\sh> ogra: sorry..;)
[12:14] <ajmitch> bye sabdfl
[12:14] <ogra> hehehe
[12:14] <dholbach> i'm off to bed too
[12:15] <dholbach> good night
[12:15] <siretart> good night, mark!
[12:15] <ogra> night dholbach
[12:15] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:15] <siretart> good night, daniel!
[12:15] <\sh> cu dholbach
[12:15] <\sh> did i say gf?
[12:15] <ogra> probably i just read it :-P
[12:15] <\sh> yeah me too
[12:16] <\sh> and I don't like the reading
[12:16] <siretart> O damn
[12:16] <ajmitch> \sh: you did, sorry
[12:16] <siretart> I forgot another point I wanted to be discussed
[12:16] <ajmitch> \sh: met her last week? :)
[12:16] <siretart> how do we want to proceed with the libaa transition
[12:16] <siretart> do we want to go with it or leave it?
[12:16] <\sh> ajmitch: something like that...u read my blog entry *g*
[12:17] <\sh> she's makeing be crazy..just like the g++ stuff..
[12:17] <\sh> s/be/me/
[12:17] <ogra> \sh, weia
[12:17] <siretart> ogra: how do you think about libaa?
[12:17] <\sh> ogra: ja
[12:18] <ogra> siretart, changing it from aalib ?
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: "mich hats voll erwischt"
[12:18] <siretart> ogra: unstable is making a transition from aalib to libaa right now
[12:18] <ajmitch> siretart: it's moderatly useless?
[12:19] <siretart> and there has been this upload in revu: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=118
[12:19] <siretart> ajmitch: so you are for sticking with aalib, right?
[12:19] <ajmitch> siretart: there aren't too many packages that depends on aalib1
[12:19] <ogra> siretart, it has only 29 rdeps...
[12:19] <siretart> that's right, too.
[12:19] <\sh> 1. what is aa*? 2. unstable is etch right now...so they're lacking
[12:19] <sistpoty> ascii art
[12:20] <ajmitch> siretart: I think unstable compatibility can be good
[12:20] <\sh> oh important
[12:20] <ajmitch> a few of those rdepends are in main, I think
[12:20] <ogra> \sh, yes, for some functions in gimp for example
[12:20] <siretart> \sh: try installing "bb" on hoary - and you'll see what aa is about ;)
[12:20] <\sh> nono
[12:20] <ajmitch> siretart: aaquake is more fun
[12:20] <ogra> hehe
[12:21] <\sh> I mean, can we deal with it ourselfs or do we need someone from main? ogra? ,-)
[12:21] <siretart> ajmitch: hehe
[12:21] <ogra> \sh, gimp is in main...
[12:21] <ogra> \sh, but feel free to bug me for main rebuilds
[12:21] <\sh> so..it's also far more important
[12:21] <ajmitch> ogra: and libxine
[12:21] <\sh> ogra: any time :)
[12:22] <ogra> ajmitch, more, i guess a bunch of the libs too... i'm to lazy to look it up right now :)
[12:22] <ajmitch> ogra: yep :)
[12:22] <\sh> ok..for me it's ok to go with d-upstream
[12:23] <\sh> i have ace on my list..
[12:24] <siretart> ok
[12:24] <\sh> ogra?
[12:25] <ogra> lets move it over
[12:25] <ogra> (to -motu)
[12:25] <siretart> ok


[00:04]  * hggdh is away: movie time
[09:09] <stefanlsd> seb128: I realise you said you may not have time at the moment to help with pidgin 2.5.1.  I'm not getting any assistance from motu re. the libpurple0.symbols.  I have created 2.5.1. Checked if the patches are still valid and it all seems good. I just wanted to verify the symbol stuff, but am unsure about this. Do you know of anything that I could read to help me out - i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/CheckingLibrarySymbols
[09:09] <stefanlsd>   - but i'm not sure this is the correct thing.
[09:10] <seb128> no I don't know, I've never really used it myself before and I hacked a bit to do the previous pidgin update
[09:11] <seb128> I don't think the ubuntu wiki is updated for the new symbols list
[09:11] <seb128> that's a new debian feature and the wiki page was written before
[09:12] <stefanlsd> seb128: how do i determine if the symbols are correct or if there may be a problem with them?
[09:13] <seb128> during the build the dpkg-gensymbols call will display a symbols diff, if there is any change you need to update the list
[09:13] <seb128> the tricky part is how to update the list correctly
[09:15] <stefanlsd> seb128: kk. thanks. let me see if i get any errors. then i'll worry about how to fix them :)
[09:16] <seb128> alright
[09:28] <stefanlsd> seb128: yeah :|  - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42980/
[09:29] <seb128> stefanlsd: right
[09:29] <seb128> stefanlsd: I'm leanning torward "let debian do the update and merge on their new version"
[09:30] <seb128> they will likely package 1.5.1 in experimental
[09:42] <huats> seb128: hey
[09:42] <huats> seb128: I have put the new gcalctool on LP
[09:42] <seb128> hey huats, just read your gcalctool sponsoring request
[09:55] <huats> seb128: ok great
[09:55] <huats> :)
[09:55] <huats> thanks
[13:17] <mpt> seb128, hey there
[13:18] <seb128> hello mpt
[13:18] <mpt> seb128, I dinged Pidgin for having logging off by default. Upstream says they're uncomfortable with changing that, but might change their minds if we set logging on by default in our Pidgin package and no-one (or hardly anyone) complains. Is that something you'd be willing to do?
[13:19] <seb128> mpt: yes, I see no issue with that, we have time to get feedback and it's easy to change if that's an issue
[13:19] <wgrant> That default has always bugged me.
[13:19] <wgrant> It's always first thing I change if I remember.
[13:20] <mpt> seb128, ok, should I report a bug for it then?
[13:20] <seb128> mpt: yes please and give me the bug number
[13:22] <stefanlsd> seb128: i've been going through the symbol stuff (and i think im slowly understanding it!)  dpkg-gensymbols wants to remove the libgnt.so.0  (do you know if this lib no longer being built as part of libpurple0?)
[13:23] <mpt> seb128, bug 180796
[13:24] <seb128> mpt: thanks
[13:24] <mpt> thank you seb128 :-)
[13:24] <seb128> stefanlsd: no, it was already doing that in the previous version, not sure why
[13:25] <stefanlsd> seb128: i am going to try add the new symbols and remove the libgnt symbols (i see libgnt is actually part of finch).  Would this be the correct approach?
[13:26] <seb128> stefanlsd: I've no clue, honestly wait on debian to do this update
[13:27] <stefanlsd> seb128: heh. kk. i'm going to keep playing as its something i'd like to try learn and understand.
[13:38] <mpt> asac_, Firefox in Ubuntu defaults to storing history for 90 days. Is that a change from upstream? I thought the default was 9 days
[13:38] <asac_> mpt: we dont change anthing in that direction
[13:39] <mpt> hm, must be new in FF3 then
[13:39] <asac_> mpt: most likely it was bumped to 90 days because of the new places
[13:39] <asac_> yeah
[13:40] <andreasn> mpt: what would be the arguments against logging by default? privacy reasons or disk space?
[13:40] <mpt> andreasn, I don't know, but they seem to be against browsers storing history, e-mail programs storing messages, etc as well
[13:41] <mpt> http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2008-August/006644.html
[13:41] <mpt> well, that's one person, I shouldn't extrapolate :-)
[13:41] <mpt> see also http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2008-August/006643.html
[17:33] <lapo> hi
[17:35] <lapo> I read a strange story about the next default icon theme...
[17:36] <lapo> is oxygen+human really going to be the default icon theme on gnome for hardy+1?
[17:46] <thorwil> lapo: #ubuntu-artwork would be more appropiate. but no. where did you read that?
[17:54] <lapo> thorwil: this one sounds a tad scary to me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-September/007559.html
[17:56] <thorwil> lapo: you should read there. word for word. don't jump to conclusions. don't start silly rumors. pick the appropriate channel!
[17:57] <lapo> did I started a silly rumor?
[17:57] <seb128> tedg1: there is a new gnome-power-manager version available if you want to do the update
[17:58] <ember> asac make it two beers
[17:58] <thorwil> lapo: they start exactly like this
[17:58] <thorwil> lapo: i will leave no other word about this topic here
[17:58] <lapo> uhm, sorry about that, just asked
[17:58] <asac> ember: anything else ;)?
[17:58] <tedg1> seb128: Yes, it fixes mario's bug also.
[17:59] <tedg1> I'm going to try and get this icons working first though.
[17:59] <seb128> tedg1: do you confirm http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17251753/gnome-power-manager-hardy.debdiff is correct for an hardy update?
[18:01] <tgnb> hi there, i have a friend who has a strange ssh problem
[18:01] <tedg1> seb128: Yes, but, I'm offended that it removes the curly braces.  They're a good coding practice.  Richard said that he added the same patch to SVN for this release, I was going to grab that one so that it could be tied to an SVN version number as a cherry pick.
[18:01] <tgnb> i tried to help him but im actually stumped, thought maybe i could inquire in here
[18:02] <tgnb> he is on a ubuntu laptop, and connects to 5 servers via ssh
[18:02] <tgnb> recently he lost the ability to connect to one out of 5 servers .. but only from his office
[18:02] <seb128> tedg1: the patch is the svn one, http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-power-manager/trunk/libhal-glib/libhal-gpower.c?r1=2910&r2=2909&pathrev=2910
[18:02] <tgnb> when connecting it just sits there before prompting for username and password
[18:03] <tgnb> it doesn't seem to ever time out though .. he's waited a very long time
[18:03] <tedg1> seb128: Ah, cool.  It should probably say that in the comment.  For the record, I still don't like the lack of braces, but better to match SVN :)
[18:03] <seb128> tgnb: hi, that's not an user channel and ssh is not a desktop application so you are at the wrong place anyway
[18:04] <tgnb> ok sorry then :/
[18:04] <seb128> tedg1: right, you can talk to upstream about the style change ;-)
[18:04] <seb128> tgnb: try #ubuntu
[18:08] <lapo> seb128: do you remember the iso image icon I sent you time ago?
[18:09] <asac> seb128: when will the next -keyring snapshot end up in the archive?
[18:09] <seb128> lapo: yes, it's used in the ubuntu gnome-icon-theme
[18:09] <asac> seb128: i think they committed a potential fix for my ssh agent issues
[18:09] <asac> so wonder if i should just wait a bit to verify ... or test the patch manually
[18:09] <seb128> asac: they didn't rolled a tarball this week but yet another GNOME is due next week, I've seen the bug, they fixed it in gnome-session though no?
[18:10] <asac> not sure ... was a bit of back and forth
[18:10] <asac> let me look
[18:10] <lapo> seb128: I think it would be important to have a .deb specific icon as well, if I send you the icons can you patch ubuntu g-i-t with them, I cannot add them upstream without being killed :-)
[18:11] <asac> seb128: one patch is against gnome-keyring-daemon-wrapper.c the other  compat/gnome-keyring-daemon-wrapper.c
[18:11] <seb128> lapo: yes, can do that ;-)
[18:11] <lapo> seb128: thank, I'll send you the icon tomorrow or the day after
[18:11] <seb128> asac: that's gnome-session
[18:11] <seb128> asac: I packaged the new version but it has issues so I didn't upload
[18:11] <seb128> lapo: thank you!
[18:11] <asac> seb128: ok. thanks
[18:12] <seb128> asac: I can scp it somewhere if you want to give it a try
[18:12] <asac> seb128: what issues does it have?
[18:12] <seb128> asac: they changed again the way the wm is started which breaks compiz again
[18:12] <asac> ok ... if its just compiz its fine. i dont use it here ;)
[18:12] <seb128> asac: you might get no wm at all
[18:12] <asac> unless it busts other sessions as well :)
[18:13] <asac> hmm
[18:13] <asac> i think ill cherry pick ;)
[18:13] <seb128> alright
[18:14] <vuntz> seb128: you might want to grab patches from trunk and put back gnome-wm
[18:15] <seb128> vuntz: I'm going to wait for the next tarball and revert the gnome-wm changes
[18:15] <vuntz> seb128: next tarball?
[18:15] <seb128> vuntz: next week
[18:15] <seb128> 2.23.92
[18:15] <vuntz> ah, ok
[18:15] <seb128> I'm not in a hurry to update
[18:15] <vuntz> asac: hopefully, the changes in 2.23.91 should fix your keyring issues. If not, please ping me
[18:16] <seb128> vuntz: has the gnome-wm thing be discussed somewhere?
[18:16] <vuntz> seb128: no...
[18:16] <seb128> vuntz: also it stopped looking at the directory where the metacity autostart is installed which means you get now wm at all
[18:16] <seb128> s/now/no
[18:16] <vuntz> seb128: we discussed all the issues afterwards, with fcrozat
[18:17] <seb128> and?
[18:17] <vuntz> seb128: this last one is fixed if you put back gnome-wm or if you use the latest metacity
[18:17] <vuntz> seb128: we didn't understand why gnome-wm isn't shipped anymore :-)
[18:17] <seb128> I'll put gnome-wm back I think
[18:17] <seb128> the redhat guys don't like it
[18:17] <vuntz> I know
[18:18] <vuntz> we need to discuss what's wrong with it and fix the issues
[18:18] <seb128> vuntz: btw how did the "what gdm version should be used for 2.24" discussion turned?
[18:18] <vuntz> seb128: andre is responsible for it. No idea where it went
[18:18] <seb128> ok
[18:18] <vuntz> andre__, I meant
[18:18] <seb128> vuntz: is opensuse using 2.23?
[18:18] <vuntz> yeah
[18:18] <seb128> no complain?
[18:19] <vuntz> not that much
[18:19] <seb128> I'm impressed ;-)
[18:19] <vuntz> but I've not been following this closely
[18:19] <seb128> hpj is looking at it right?
[18:19] <vuntz> yep
[18:20] <andre__> oh, i'm responsible for it? :-)
[18:20] <vuntz> andre__: sure yo uare
[18:20] <andre__> i thought it's vuntz :)
[18:21] <vuntz> andre__: stop lying!
[18:21] <andre__> no, really :)
[18:21] <andre__> don't outsource your tasks to me, honey!
[18:21] <vuntz> why would it be me? You handled everything!
[18:21] <seb128> alright, nobody is looking at this one
[18:21] <andre__> no, only a few things i had on my list last friday :)
[18:22] <asac> seb128: \o/ i can use the keyring again
[18:22] <asac> what a relieve ;)
[18:22] <seb128> :-)
[18:22] <vuntz> andre__: so, let's make it official. You're responsible of this decision :-P
[18:22] <asac> relief
[18:22] <asac> not sure
[18:22] <asac> ;)
[18:22] <seb128> asac: what I don't get is why you have the issue and nobody else
[18:23] <vuntz> seb128: I know the keyring was broken here too. Sure, it's not ubuntu ;-)
[18:23] <seb128> vuntz: well it's working for me, at least I get the ssh agent
[18:24] <seb128> anyway good to know it's working for asac too now ;-)
[18:24] <asac> i dunno. i am happy that vuntz had this as well ;)
[18:25] <asac> otherwise i probably would have ended up typgin my passphras 1billion times ;)
[18:25] <andre__> vuntz, i'm quite undecided now that i see that opensuse and foresight don't see big issues
[18:25] <vuntz> andre__: your call
[18:25] <seb128> andre__: how much testing does unstable opensuse get? ;-)
[18:25] <andre__> so i'll let the fun for you
[18:26] <vuntz> andre__: you're so dreaming ;-)
[18:26] <seb128> and I expect lot of the annoyance will be for normal users
[18:26] <seb128> ie no gdmsetup will really annoy users
[18:26] <seb128> no way to enable autologin
[18:26] <pedro_> themes ;-)
[18:26] <andre__> well, what if we're refusing to use it for another time? we will end up in some state where the gdm hackers won't care at all about r-t comments. on the other hand, is that a difference to the current situation? :-P
[18:26] <seb128> xdmcp
[18:27] <seb128> andre__: at least you don't lower the GNOME standards
[18:27]  * vuntz leaves the discussion
[18:27] <vuntz> time to finally take a break ;-)
[18:27] <seb128> yeah, me too
[18:27]  * andre__ gets back to his virtual cheese plate before getting the dessert, any french should understand that :-P
[18:27] <seb128> brb, restarting my session
[18:45] <vuntz> do you guys already have evo 2.23.91 packaged?
[18:45]  * vuntz needs people to reproduce a bug
[18:45] <seb128> vuntz: yes
[18:45] <vuntz> seb128: ah, cool. Does it work for you on a clean account?
[18:45] <vuntz> in my jhbuild, it just hangs
[18:45] <seb128> I'm about to go for diner, what doesn't work for you?
[18:46] <vuntz> launching it a second time works, though
[18:46] <seb128> didn't try on a new account
[18:46] <vuntz> ie, I fill all my account info, and then it hangs while displaying the main window
[18:46] <vuntz> no useful stack trace, though :/
[18:46]  * seb128 tries
[18:51] <seb128> vuntz: no seems to work fine on first run here
[18:51] <seb128> I've to go for dinner, bbl


[06:35] <mazal> maaz tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight
[06:35] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[06:45] <Kilos> morning all of ya
[06:49] <Kilos> hi DeonP
[06:50] <DeonP> hi Kilos
[06:57] <mazal> More oom Kilos ,DeonP
[06:58] <Kilos> môre mazal
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:58] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight" 23 minutes and 20 seconds ago
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: good stuff :)
[06:59] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:59] <mazal> Kilos, my schedules wget worked last night. This morning I had the iso :-)
[06:59] <Kilos> is it one hand counting yet?
[07:00] <Kilos> lekker i love wget
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes indeed, 5 more work days! :)
[07:00] <Kilos> especially with a dicey internet
[07:00] <Kilos> hehe getting excited
[07:03] <mazal> Tonight gonna let the server iso dl and start trying the root cron job for updates as well
[07:03] <superfly> good morning
[07:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[07:04] <Kilos> looked last night with the pro. it wants to update daily
[07:04] <Kilos> i only do update/upgrade when data is full
[07:04] <Kilos> so cron and i arent buddies
[07:06] <Kilos> nothing worse than planning data use to last 2 months and an upgrade finishes you in 1.5 months
[07:09] <mazal> You can schedule cron for only Fridays or only certain days of the month Kilos
[07:11] <Kilos> ill leave it till i one day get uncapped adsl
[07:11] <Kilos> head too full of lpi and other stuff
[07:13] <Kilos> i go feed sheep
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Xethron zeref
[07:41] <zeref> hi Kilos
[07:44] <Kilos> got a funny error while booting this morning i/o error Zram0
[07:44] <Kilos> whatever that might be. everything is working fine
[07:44] <Kilos> did memory test and no probs shown
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:55] <Vince-0> Hi
[08:07] <zeref> tumbleweed: I'm trying to build a deb package to run only on python3, I followed http://www.wefearchange.org/2012/01/debian-package-for-python-2-and-3.html to package for python 3.
[08:07] <zeref> after i install the package, I get a from  urllib.request import Request, urlopen
[08:07] <zeref> ImportError: No module named request
[08:07] <zeref> aah
[08:08] <Kilos> hi bduk
[08:08] <zeref> http://pastebin.com/2pEB2GLA
[08:10] <zeref> but if the test the application using python3 *.py it works?
[08:10] <zeref> any idea why?
[08:23] <mazal> Does anybody know , on 12.04LTS UbuntuOne , how do you see the last files that was synced ? On 13.04 the applet shows it , but 12.04's version doesn't have that applet
[08:29] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <magespawn> good morning
[08:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn you getting there hey
[08:44] <magespawn> today i am at the shop closing it up and organising the last few service pc's out the door
[08:51] <Kilos> ah i thought youd sorted irc at work
[08:57] <magespawn> yes i logged on from there yesterday
[09:03] <bduk> Morning everyone
[09:24] <tumbleweed> zeref: are you sure you are *actually* using python3 ?
[09:26] <tumbleweed> zeref: in fact, from that traceback, you definitely are using python2.7
[09:26] <tumbleweed> zeref: packaging for Python 2 & 3 just got a *lot* easier, that howto is out of date.
[09:26] <tumbleweed> man pybuild
[09:53] <magespawn> bduk: hi
[10:00] <Squirm> hi
[10:31] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[10:42] <Squirm> hi there magespawn
[10:42] <Squirm> rather quiet today
[10:44] <magespawn> yup
[10:44] <magespawn> and i am now off too
[10:46] <Squirm> almost lunch for me
[10:48] <zeref> tumbleweed: thanks. working now
[11:55] <charl> good afternoon
[11:56] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:59] <superfly> andrewlsd: ping
[12:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:00] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:00] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[12:00] <charl> this is hilarious: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTjtDjCCMAA_N_M.jpg:large
[12:21] <andrewlsd> superfly: pong
[12:22] <superfly> andrewlsd: private message
[14:31] <Kilos> bbl
[14:44] <DeonP> folks l2tp client problem sorted!! :D
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: you bought those kitkats locally?
[14:55] <andrewlsd> ^^ -- also keen to find that out.
[15:17] <inetpro> DeonP: well done
[15:17] <inetpro> now please document and share what you did for the benefit of others
[15:22] <magespawn> later all
[16:31] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:43] <Kilos> abend
[16:43] <kbmonkey> hallo Kilos
[16:44] <kbmonkey> sorry I got dc'd last night
[16:44] <Kilos> ahi kbmonkey
[16:44] <kbmonkey> disconnected
[16:44] <Kilos> np ian fixed
[16:44] <Kilos> or was last night
[16:44] <Kilos> havent heard again
[16:45] <kbmonkey> he fixed it? wow amazing
[16:46] <Kilos> SilverCode, code us to run plasma-desktop from cli and it worked
[16:46] <Kilos> told
[16:46] <kbmonkey> nice
[16:46] <kbmonkey> of course only someone with KDE experience could have helped :]
[16:47] <Kilos> id akready got him to install all plasma stuff i got in kde and kubuntu-full and just that running in cli let it get going
[16:47] <Kilos> weird hey
[16:49] <kbmonkey> yes, it is curious
[16:51] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[16:52] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[16:53] <Kilos> first class tomorrow night kbmonkey
[16:54] <kbmonkey> Kilos, thanks!
[16:54] <kbmonkey> i need to make a reminder
[16:54] <kbmonkey> damn I'm hungry
[16:54] <Kilos> hehe
[16:54] <kbmonkey> been working late this week
[16:54] <kbmonkey> its not fun
[16:54] <Kilos> get tins of gold dish curry vegetables
[16:54] <Kilos> top off and eat
[16:55] <kbmonkey> ew gross. no i like fresh food
[16:55] <Kilos> they very lekker
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I'll go make burgers just now
[16:55] <kbmonkey> ;P
[16:55] <Kilos> thats not as healthy
[16:55] <Kilos> curry is very healthy
[16:55] <kbmonkey> if you think that you have not had a monkey burger!
[16:55] <Kilos> ah
[16:55] <kbmonkey> lol!
[17:06] <kbmonkey> I am amazed at how large these games are today. it blows my mind!
[17:06] <kbmonkey> the guys at work talk about this game they play, battlefield or something. the updates are like 20+GB
[17:06] <kbmonkey> What The Heck!
[17:06] <Symmetria> sup ;p
[17:06] <Kilos> wow
[17:06] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[17:06] <Symmetria> so remeber a while back when I left tenet there was talking about me moving to kenya? :)
[17:07] <Symmetria> seems like thats finally gonna happen
[17:07] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:07] <kbmonkey> nice Symmetria
[17:07] <kbmonkey> gonna go see some lions
[17:07] <Symmetria> kbmonkey lol game updates are huge
[17:07] <Symmetria> world of warcraft updatres are a coupla gig each time
[17:07] <kbmonkey> I just got my data bundle doubled, and that is like still 5 times my limit,
[17:08] <Symmetria> heh, got offered a job that Im almost certainly gonna take, the money and the position, I'd be nuts not to accept
[17:09] <Symmetria> just trying to negotiate a bit because I figure anyone who comes with a first offer like that, is probably prepared to go higher ;p
[17:09] <kbmonkey> indeed!
[17:09] <Symmetria> very odd tax rules as well about being an expat
[17:09] <Symmetria> did you know that if you are outta the country for a full month without coming back, and in total you are outta the country for 183 days in a tax year
[17:10] <Symmetria> all foreign earnings are tax exempt in .za
[17:10] <Symmetria> which means, if you're working in say kenya, but you're being paid by a third country, like mauritius, technically you aren't working in kenya, so you arent taxed there
[17:10] <Symmetria> you are never in the third country so you arent taxed there
[17:10] <Symmetria> and you arent taxable in south africa because its all tax exempt foreign earnings
[17:10] <Symmetria> meaning, you're tax free
[17:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:11] <Symmetria> how awesome is thar
[17:11] <Symmetria> that
[17:12] <DeonP> Kilos!!! :)
[17:12] <DeonP> its working
[17:12] <Kilos> hi DeonP
[17:12] <Kilos> what did you do
[17:12] <Kilos> make notes
[17:12] <Kilos> well done
[17:13] <DeonP> routing probs i did :)
[17:13] <DeonP> its the simple things that always get you lol
[17:13] <kbmonkey> good work DeonP !
[17:13] <kbmonkey> Im off to gomake some gains
[17:14] <Symmetria> lol routing issues arent always simple though :)
[17:14] <Kilos> hehe
[17:14] <DeonP> boss is happy, now we can host his website and email in house
[17:14] <Symmetria> why would he want to do that :0
[17:14] <Kilos> cool
[17:14] <Symmetria> hosting websites at home is scary :) no proper infrastructure at most houses
[17:15] <Symmetria> oh you mean inside the company
[17:15] <DeonP> save money :) for now, new buiseness and money is tight, VERY tight
[17:15] <Symmetria> yah that makes sense if you have the bandwidth for it :)
[17:15]  * Symmetria tries to figure out his travel schedule
[17:15] <DeonP> dont need too much bandwidth, and he's got proper uncapped adsl
[17:15] <Symmetria> lol, so, on friday I left home and was asked when I would be back, so I was like, not 100% sure, but I figured a week or 2
[17:16] <Symmetria> flew to mauritius, and lol, just found out before I get home, I gotta first go via mombassa, nairobi, kampala and kigali
[17:16] <Symmetria> and chances are by the time Im done with that, I'll have to go somewhere else ;p
[17:16]  * Symmetria is making it home for a week outta every 10 at the moment
[17:16] <DeonP> ok folks i'm off to have a rest lol will do a write-up on setting up xl2tpd on isp for fixed ip
[17:16] <Kilos> poor dog
[17:17] <Kilos> havva good rest DeonP
[17:17] <Symmetria> lol doggy is harassing my parents who look after her :) she loves them anyway
[17:17] <DeonP> pretty simple once you know how lol
[17:17] <DeonP> ty  chat tomorrow
[17:17] <Kilos> ok
[17:18] <Symmetria> hrm, wait, he's running l2tpd on linux? interesting, wonder if that v2 or v3
[17:18] <Kilos> haha hes been battling some days
[17:19] <Symmetria> lol I made my clients ceo very happy today, I managed to make his mac print to one of those giant xerox workcentre printers
[17:19] <Kilos> ask him tomorrow
[17:19] <Symmetria> and apparently no one else had been able to do that in weeks because no one else uses mac ;p
[17:20] <Symmetria> (it took me all of 30 seconds)
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Righto
[17:32] <Trixar_za> It's fun compiling the kernel
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Like creating a frankenstein monster
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:37] <Trixar_za> Finally got buildroot to work like I want
[17:37] <Trixar_za> So I'm pretty happy
[17:37] <Kilos> good
[17:50] <Trixar_za> Does seem to take a while to build though
[17:50] <Kilos> how long you been busy on it now?
[17:51] <magespawn> maybe we could also let DeonP know about that free hosting in the cape
[17:51] <magespawn> woops
[17:52] <Kilos> what free hosting the one that was on facebook?
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:52] <magespawn> no that other company with the solar powered data center
[17:52] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me too
[17:53]  * Kilos cries
[17:53] <Trixar_za> about 27 minutes
[17:53] <magespawn> see now i am back, bet you guys did not know who was speaking
[17:53] <magespawn> thought we did Kilos
[17:53] <Trixar_za> But it's to be expected
[17:53]  * magespawn goes to google name
[17:54] <Trixar_za> Free hosting in the cape?
[17:58] <Squirm> magespawn: Teraco
[17:58] <Squirm> Trixar_za: afaik you need to own the server though, they'll just host it
[17:58] <Trixar_za> Ah
[17:58] <Trixar_za> I wish I owned a server
[17:58] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:59] <Squirm> HP Proliant Microsever going for R1300 ex :(
[17:59] <magespawn> no this was free website hosting
[17:59] <Squirm> 2.2Ghz AMD Dual Core, 2Gb RAM, 250Gb hdd
[17:59] <Squirm> obviously the small form factor is cool. can also take 4 hdds in total and up to 8Gb RAM
[18:00] <Squirm> afaik they also have a 150W psu
[18:00] <Kilos> Squirm, explain that to me please
[18:00] <Squirm> Kilos: which ?
[18:01] <Kilos> if you own the server do you take it to them?
[18:01] <Kilos> i dont savvy the hosting thing
[18:01] <Squirm> Kilos: I figure so. I'd also think it'd have to be a Rackmount
[18:02] <Squirm> Kilos: in a data center, you'll have a steady internet connection and there should be no downtime
[18:02] <Kilos> oh ok so you take them your hardware and they run it for you
[18:02] <Squirm> that's why hosting is good
[18:02] <Kilos> magespawn, find it man
[18:03] <Kilos> i still want a host for my bot
[18:03] <magespawn> patience
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> you got no more uncapped now with shop closed?
[18:03] <Squirm> we host our own MX and up until a few months ago our website too. but when we moved our site off-site, we got a backup mx from dyndns. so none of our mail fails, we just only receive it when we come online
[18:03] <magespawn> this is website not bot hosting
[18:03] <Squirm> magespawn: shop closed
[18:03] <Squirm> ?
[18:04] <magespawn> still have adsl
[18:04] <magespawn> yup from the end of the month
[18:04] <Squirm> oh wow
[18:05] <Kilos> magespawn, gotta IT job Squirm
[18:05] <magespawn> https://www.cybersmart.co.za/hosting.cgi
[18:05] <Kilos> where you been
[18:05] <Squirm> that's cool magespawn. where abouts?
[18:06] <magespawn> Bonamanzi
[18:06] <magespawn> just down the road
[18:06] <Squirm> ooh
[18:07] <magespawn> Kilos: you might be able to host a bot here https://www.openshift.com/
[18:07] <Kilos> lemme look
[18:09] <Kilos> eish redhat
[18:09] <mazal> Naand oom
[18:09] <Kilos> oh i could alien ibid
[18:10] <Squirm> Kilos: I'll stand by RedHat
[18:10] <Kilos> naand mazal
[18:10] <Squirm> cheers mazal
[18:10] <mazal> Hi and bye Squirm
[18:10] <Kilos> no man goeie naand
[18:10] <Squirm> is it still good if it's cold and misty outside?
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <mazal> Yes
[18:11] <Squirm> Outside Temperature	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Wind Chill	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Heat Index	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Dewpoint	10.6°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Humidity	89%
[18:11] <mazal> Then you can over-induldge in indoor activities
[18:11] <Squirm> Since Midnight
[18:11] <Squirm> High Temperature
[18:11] <Squirm> Low Temperature	 13.9°C at 15:49
[18:11] <Squirm> 7.7°C at 01:16
[18:11] <Squirm> we had a high of 13.9 today
[18:12] <Squirm> and yes, I set up a weather staion yesterday
[18:12] <mazal> brb washing calls
[18:13] <Kilos> squirm go see how to install ibib there
[18:13] <Kilos> once working ill maintain it if necessary
[18:13] <Kilos> ibid
[18:13] <Kilos> i see they show python
[18:14] <Kilos> would one need to convert a .deb to a rpm
[18:15] <Squirm> or compile from source
[18:15] <Kilos> alien has worked for me before
[18:15] <Kilos> i dunno how to compile
[18:15] <Squirm> will try and set it up quickly
[18:15] <Squirm> (never used ibid though)
[18:16] <Kilos> i ran some rpm thing on maverick after using alien to convert rpm to .deb
[18:16] <Kilos> i can help you with ibid i think
[18:20] <magespawn> Squirm: one of my responsibilities is an asterisk running on a headless CentOS
[18:20] <Kilos> oh Squirm can you try set it up for me
[18:21] <Squirm> magespawn: that's cool. I want to start getting asterisk into the school.
[18:21] <Squirm> but we kind of need fiber too
[18:21] <Kilos> magespawn, that asterisk is for voip right?
[18:21] <Squirm> Kilos: busy setting it up
[18:21] <Squirm> and yes
[18:21] <Kilos> wont it see that im not you?
[18:22] <magespawn> not only voip and call routing recording, music on hold, tracking etc software pbx
[18:22] <Squirm> Kilos: I created an account too
[18:22] <Squirm> magespawn: look at
[18:22] <Squirm> Elastix
[18:22] <magespawn> everything call related
[18:22] <Kilos> ok then can use use pc mike for calls as well magespawn ?
[18:23] <Squirm> it's an all in one communication OS
[18:23] <magespawn> i saw that thanks Squirm
[18:23] <Squirm> Asterisk, email, fax to email, email to fax, switchboard
[18:23] <magespawn> almost anything Kilos
[18:23] <Kilos> wow
[18:23] <Squirm> Kilos: it's all voip
[18:23] <magespawn> very powerful and free
[18:23] <Kilos> so i can install it here and use it that way for calls?
[18:23] <Squirm> and you can get cellphone apps that can connect to it
[18:24] <Squirm> Kilos: you'd still need a digium card, it's basically a fancy modem type card. connects your pc to the phone line
[18:24] <magespawn> well they have it set up to do least cost routing between voip, cell and landline
[18:24] <Kilos> ah
[18:24] <nuvolari> o/
[18:25] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[18:25] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, oom magespawn, uncle Squirm
[18:25] <nuvolari> *cough* :P
[18:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:25] <magespawn> now i'm an oom
[18:25] <Kilos> eerste klas more aand op #linux-studies ne
[18:25] <magespawn> ?
[18:25]  * Squirm eyes nuvolari
[18:25] <Squirm> nuvolari: I'm now an uncle?
[18:26] <Squirm> good evening grandfather nuvolari
[18:26] <Kilos> haha
[18:26] <nuvolari> magespawn: it would surely be disrespectful to call you grandp... ok, nevermind
[18:26]  * nuvolari ducks
[18:26] <Squirm> oh yes, I do apologise to all for my talkativeness, I had about an hour sleep last night
[18:27] <Kilos> whew
[18:27] <nuvolari> waarheen het oom gehol?
[18:28] <Kilos> huh?
[18:28] <Squirm> Kilos: remind me to have a look tomorrow
[18:28] <Squirm> I can't concentrate on what I need to do
[18:28] <Kilos> ok ty Squirm
[18:28] <Squirm> and think I'm going to bed
[18:28] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:28] <Squirm> night all
[18:29] <nuvolari> night Squirm
[18:29] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom maak whew
[18:29] <nuvolari> ek dog oom blaas asem af
[18:29] <Kilos> die min slaap man
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <nuvolari> ah
[18:29] <nuvolari> wat gebeur in more-aand se klas oom?
[18:29] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk
[18:29] <magespawn> cheers Squirm
[18:30] <Kilos> ek weet nie
[18:30] <Kilos> kom kyk
[18:31] <nuvolari> bbiab, phonecall
[18:32] <Kilos> mazal, why dont you join our LPI classes
[18:33] <Kilos> slack
[18:49] <Symmetria> damnnnn
[18:49] <Symmetria> I been looking at rental options in kenya
[18:49] <Symmetria> with the housing budget I got, hahahahahahhaha
[18:49] <Symmetria> I could rent a damn mansion
[18:49] <Symmetria> in the best area of nairobi
[18:50] <magespawn> nothing wrong with that
[18:50] <Symmetria> heh, you can rent a 4 bedroom house
[18:50] <Symmetria> with a swimming pool
[18:50] <Symmetria> cctv
[18:50] <Symmetria> a braai area
[18:50] <Symmetria> dstv included
[18:51] <Symmetria> for R16k ZAR a month
[18:51] <Symmetria> if you push that to 25k ZAR a month you can have an 8 bedroom house with 8 on suite bathrooms
[18:51] <Symmetria> ;p like what the hell
[18:51] <Symmetria> you could run a bloody guesthouse outta that
[18:51] <magespawn> how much is that locally?
[18:53] <Symmetria> heh, for the 4 bedroom place in capetown?
[18:53] <Symmetria> double that, easily
[18:53] <Symmetria> for an 8 bedroom place? in capetown that will run you 50 - 60 k a month
[18:54] <magespawn> no i mean how much is that in kenya?
[18:55] <Symmetria> oh the 4 bedroom place as I said, about 16 thousand rand (about 160 thousand shillings)
[18:55] <Symmetria> the 8 bedroom place about 250 thousand shillings (25 thousand rand)
[18:56] <magespawn> image you got the housing allowance in pounds
[18:56] <magespawn> cost of living? cheap?
[18:57] <magespawn> always nice to be paid in one currency and spend in another with exchange rates like that
[18:58] <Symmetria> cost of living is dirt cheap
[18:58] <Symmetria> I get paid in dollars and housing allowance is in dollars
[19:04] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:04] <mazal> bye
[19:04] <Kilos> night mazal
[19:05] <magespawn> cheers mazal
[19:05] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:06] <magespawn> i telkom is doing a 20 gig renew your contract deal for R199 per month * 24
[19:06] <Kilos> whew
[19:08] <magespawn> ^see
[19:08] <magespawn> otherwise 10 gig 8ta for R199
[19:09] <magespawn> afrihost has mtn 10 gig at R197 month to month no contract
[19:09] <Kilos> yeah  i think thats what graeme got
[19:10] <Kilos> with that modem goodie
[19:10] <magespawn> tempting if i could get good mtn coverage
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah me too but mtn sucks large here
[19:11] <Kilos> offline every 2nd or third day and only edge
[19:13] <magespawn> kinda want vodacom to do a similar deal
[19:16] <Kilos> night guys. i go crsah
[19:16] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:16] <Kilos> crash too
[19:17] <magespawn> sleep well Kilos
[19:17] <magespawn> man my timing is off tonight
[19:35] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[19:48] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:48] <inetpro> Maaz: is https://twitter.com/ down?
[19:48] <Maaz> inetpro: No, it's just you
[19:48] <inetpro> ai!
[19:48] <inetpro> seems to be down by my side
[21:17] <nuvolari> this isn't funny
[21:17] <nuvolari> 'talk' is supposed to be easy on linux
[21:17] <nuvolari> I just spent more than 20 minutes and I still can't figure it out


[08:18] <vila> goood morning all !
[08:18]  * vila facepalms, wrong channel ;)
[08:30] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you run proposed?
[08:30] <tsdgeos> Mirv: do the Qt 5.5 packages contain the debian/patches/add_qdeclarative_playlist.patch patch?
[08:37] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, although only to the extent it has been upstreamed. I'm waiting for the approvals in upstream for the rest.
[08:38] <Mirv> so eg moveItem is missing
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: Saviq was complaining that he didn't get Playlist for example :S
[08:40] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it should be no worse than Qt 5.4 on xenial, since there was no landing of the latest features in xenial anyway
[08:40] <Mirv> tsdgeos: so the patch is now this upstream http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtmultimedia.git/tree/debian/patches/Added-new-playlist-QML-type.patch?h=ubuntu from August
[08:41] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I think though that because the media-hub etc haven't landed on xenial in a long time, the QML Playlist patch is "too new" as media-hub would possibly be using the obsolete API features (also gone from vivid-overlay now)
[08:41] <Mirv> vivid-overlay is where Jim has switched to the approved upstream API + additions he's upstreaming, while xenial is stuck with the legacy API since there has been no landing
[08:42] <tsdgeos> that's bad
[08:43] <tsdgeos> we're supposed to be able to develop on xenial
[08:43] <seb128> things are not supposed to not land in the current serie
[08:44] <seb128> the packages from the ppa should be copied over to xenial
[08:47] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yeah, there was no good options since xenial is outdated anyhow. now that the silo 009 finally landed to vivid-overlay, I think you could ask Jim to handle xenial next
[08:48] <tsdgeos> Mirv: also the imports are different
[08:48] <tsdgeos> vivid+overlay package exports the new classes as part of 5.4
[08:48] <tsdgeos> and the xenial as 5.6
[08:48] <tsdgeos> not nice either
[08:48] <tsdgeos> or at least http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtmultimedia.git/tree/debian/patches/Added-new-playlist-QML-type.patch?h=ubuntu does
[08:48] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok, I don't know about what has been landed in vivid+overlay, I've just tried to push very hard for upstreaming to avoid similar problems that we had with audio role
[08:49] <tsdgeos> not sure what xenial does
[08:49] <Mirv> tsdgeos: the git is what's now in xenial (and in upstream)
[08:49] <tsdgeos> yes but if we start lying the version the code was introduced in a distro patch
[08:49] <Mirv> tsdgeos: two weeks ago I diff:d the vivid+overlay landing and asked for upstreaming the remaining features that were neither in xenial Qt 5.4 nor in upstream
[08:50] <tsdgeos> we can't change that version in the next release
[08:50] <tsdgeos> and pretend we never introduce the feature earlier
[08:50] <tsdgeos> how am i again supposed to maintain compatibility if the things under me change
[08:50] <Mirv> tsdgeos: can you file a bug and assign that to Jim? I try to help where I can, but he needs to know what is still to-do.
[08:51] <Mirv> he's now done a good job switching vivid-overlay to "almost upstream", but xenial is totally unworked currently
[08:56] <Mirv> for any next new multimedia feature, it'd be nice to revert the current landing process "1. vivid-overlay, 2. xenial, 3. upstream (rejected)" to "1. upstream (accept), 2. xenial, 3. vivid-overlay" as it should be.
[08:57] <Mirv> the former happened with audio overlay and also with playlist except that we're still stuck in the point "1." partially
[08:57] <Mirv> audio role, I mean
[08:59] <Mirv> tsdgeos: if you want me to do something with the existing options, the choices are current near-upstream API but media-hub have not seen xenial landings, or the now obsolete API that is compatible with what's in xenial but incompatible with vivid-overlay. the latter is what was there before the Qt 5.5 landing.
[09:00] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'll open a bug and see how we can proceed with this mess :/
[09:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, I installed silos 12 + 59 (which is ~equivalent to running proposed today)
[09:00]  * Saviq reads uo
[09:00] <Saviq> *up
[09:01] <Mirv> tsdgeos: thanks
[09:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you installed those silos on phone or pc?
[09:02] <tsdgeos> don't think it matters i guess
[09:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, both
[09:03] <Saviq> ok so we're fooked, can't land inline audio anyway
[09:03] <Saviq> grrr
[09:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you filing a bug?
[09:05] <tsdgeos> yeah i will
[09:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, let me know I'll escalate
[09:10] <tsdgeos> Saviq: will take a bit want to flash the phone and check a few things first
[09:12] <Saviq> ack
[09:21] <deenlee> o_O
[09:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: does the bug description make sense to you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmultimedia-opensource-src/+bug/1523407
[09:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, while the description makes sense, I wonder what would the correct solution be... I've a feeling when we're backporting features from future, we should only export them at the version it's ultimately going to land at... otherwise we'll have to carry a patch forever, exporting at more than one version
[09:59] <tsdgeos> hmm
[10:00] <tsdgeos> yeah, that's what probably makes more sense, i agree
[10:00] <tsdgeos> Saviq: want me to assign that bug to Jim?
[10:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'll take care
[10:00] <tsdgeos> oki
[10:01] <Saviq> Mirv, what do you think ↑↑?
[10:02] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: need your input in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/drag_with_quicklist/+merge/279420 as what you think the scope of the MR is
[10:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah fine with me, was wondering that myself
[10:04] <mzanetti> need to test it to see the issue
[10:04] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's just that there's no fade-{out,in} of the two quicklists
[10:05] <mzanetti> ah ok...
[10:05] <mzanetti> don't touch that yet
[10:05] <mzanetti> the quicklist will get new visuals
[10:05] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ^
[10:05] <tsdgeos> k
[10:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, in that case I'm moving all the audio-card-unrelated MPs into silo 22 and give silo 4 back to Paweł
[10:15] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:15] <tsdgeos> we were so close :/
[10:17] <Mirv> Saviq: I'm not sure with regards to the declared versions - was tsdgeos' async image loading feature done in any better way? I mean, what happens with that when we hit 5.6 proper.
[10:17] <Saviq> Mirv, you drop the patch
[10:17] <Saviq> Mirv, and everything Just Works
[10:17] <Saviq> Mirv, assuming the backport is actually API-compatible with upstream, which your "upstream first" approach should ensure, right?
[10:18] <Saviq> Mirv, ultimately, all's fine when we do this with "private" APIs that we can control the use of
[10:20] <Mirv> Saviq: yes the async image loading was certainly backported only after tsdgeos had upstreamed it. I just was asking if there's anything from there for Jim to learn, how to handle the backports from 5.6/5.7.
[10:20] <Mirv> the current qtmultimedia proposals Jim is trying to get upstreamed will go to Qt 5.7 so we will live with backports for a while.  https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/q/project:qt/qtmultimedia,n,z
[10:26] <Saviq> Mirv, I *think* the async image providers were kinda different in that they're not directly used by apps usually
[10:26] <Saviq> Mirv, so we get the dpkg dependency chain we want
[10:26] <tsdgeos> yeah it's not even exported to QML
[10:26] <tsdgeos> so it's indeed a bit different in that regard
[10:27] <Saviq> well, that doesn't mean they can't compile against it, but yeah, more care is needed anyway
[10:27] <Saviq> for anything that's exposed to apps, public API that we want to commit to, we need to have a plan going forward
[10:40] <Mirv> Saviq: right, so these multimedia feature are probably the only ones we've contributed as really new public facing features
[10:41] <Saviq> Mirv, the other one comes to mind are multimedia roles
[10:42] <Saviq> Mirv, while not meant for public consumption on our platform, still it's API we've published
[10:42] <Saviq> and had to do #ifdefs and other hutzpahs around
[10:42] <Mirv> Saviq: I missed one "s" but I meant these multimedia features, audio roles and playlist
[10:44] <Mirv> Saviq: which is why I said that the next multimedia feature would be nice on the track of 1. upstream (accepted) 2. xenial 3. vivid-overlay - but even with that there would need to be a plan on how to handle the actual backport, the core of the tsdgeos's bug.
[10:45] <Saviq> Mirv, agreed, and we seem to agree that this should be exported into QML as the version it will end up on in the long run
[10:45] <Saviq> Mirv, only way we can drop the patch after we get to that version, 'innit? otherwise we'd need to keep a patch porting it back to 5.4/5.5 or whatnot
[10:46] <Mirv> Saviq: yes, your comment #1 in that bug is correct
[11:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, do we have a silo with all filters?
[11:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: yes
[11:37] <tsdgeos> let me find it
[11:38] <tsdgeos> cimi: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/506
[11:38] <tsdgeos> but status doesn't look good :S
[11:38] <tsdgeos> give it a try
[11:38] <tsdgeos> pawel is out today it seems
[11:38] <tsdgeos> ah yeah he needed to go to the embassy
[12:09] <cimi> tsdgeos, this seems like a simple approve, anything I am missing? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/thread_warning/+merge/279276
[12:09] <tsdgeos> cimi: i'd say no, but it's my code D:
[12:09] <tsdgeos> i mean the point of the RR is someone else thinking of something i may have nto tought
[12:10] <cimi> indeed, so seems fine for me :)
[12:15] <mzanetti> cimi, hey, wanna test/review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-updates/+merge/278567
[12:19] <cimi> mzanetti, sure
[12:19] <cimi> mzanetti, I read was wip, I can go
[12:20] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: dednick: Saviq: do we have any bug about "press indicators bar to go back to live call not working"?
[12:20] <tsdgeos> i'm looking at the code and seems it broke at some point
[12:21] <tsdgeos> onPressedChanged in __showDragHandle doesn't seem to trigger with pressed = true
[12:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, don't think we've a bug
[12:24] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll try to reproduce the thing on the meizu and present MRs about it
[12:25] <tsdgeos> basically i just have to call and swipe the phone app to not be the focused on, right?
[12:25] <tsdgeos> or there's something else needed for that to be supposed to work?
[12:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: hm. havent seen it. maybe some of the work ltinkl was doing on desktop indicators may have broken it. i havent done much in there in ages
[12:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: thats it. just unfocus phone (eg open dash) and it should sho
[12:52] <ltinkl> hmm, might be me yes :/
[12:52] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ping me if you find something ood
[12:57] <davmor2> ltinkl: found something ood for you https://demonsrun.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/planet-of-teh-ood.png
[12:57] <ltinkl> :)
[13:17] <dandrader> greyback, something I've been wanting to do for a long time now https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/loggingCategory/+merge/279629
[13:40] <greyback> dandrader: nice!!!
[13:42] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what's the issue?
[13:42] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: xenial code is different from vivid code
[13:43] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yeah, we're working on porting to GStreamer 1.6.x for both codebases and then we can dual land everything media
[13:45] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ltinkl: it works for some reason I read the code like it wouldn't but testing shows it works
[13:45] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: i see
[13:46] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, good
[13:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, missing context
[13:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, what's that about?
[13:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader: it wanted to say dednick, sorry
[13:47] <dandrader> right. the good old autocomlete issue :)
[13:48] <dednick> huh :)
[13:48] <tsdgeos> we need to architecture teams in a way in which only a given letter for a team member :D
[13:48] <tsdgeos> dednick: the call hint thing, it works fine
[13:48] <dednick> hehe
[13:48] <dednick> tsdgeos: ok.
[13:49] <dednick> yeah. get rid of duplicate people rather than changing names.
[13:53] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, just got an idea, now that the UITK has its own native bottom edge component, why not use it in dash?
[13:53] <dednick> meh. silo out of space again...
[13:54] <dednick> mzanetti: ^
[13:54] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, it's nice that it's clickable here, but then I can't swipe it with my finger :)
[13:54] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, the AddressBook app has it correct, it works with both things
[13:55] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: sounds good, i'm doing something similar with the DirectionalDragArea -> SwipeArea
[13:55] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: open a bug or a trello card
[13:55] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: or do a branch :D
[13:55] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yea, will do something :)
[14:04] <mzanetti> dednick, ack, pinged the trainguards
[14:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/swipeAreaPressedSignal/+merge/279780 ?
[14:10] <mterry> Anyone else seeing the latest rc-proposed image not booting?
[14:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, need to add a test
[14:16] <tsdgeos> dandrader: sure, was just asking about the general idea
[14:16] <tsdgeos> looks ok?
[14:17] <dandrader> tsdgeos, think so. still downloading the branch to take a better look
[14:17] <tsdgeos> k
[14:17] <dandrader> tsdgeos, this web diff kinda crappy
[14:17] <tsdgeos> will add the test
[14:41] <tsdgeos> dandrader: is this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/swipeAreaPressedSignal/revision/1734 the kind of test you wanted?
[14:45] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yeah
[14:55] <jhodapp_> tsdgeos, btw, you can also track the syncing between vivid+overlay and xenial in this silo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmultimedia-opensource-src/+bug/1523407
[14:55] <jhodapp_> tsdgeos, wrong link, one sec
[14:55] <jhodapp_> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/751
[14:55] <tsdgeos> jhodapp_: makes sense ahving this link in the trello card?
[14:56] <jhodapp_> tsdgeos, absolutely if it's not there already
[14:56]  * tsdgeos checks
[14:56] <jhodapp_> it is
[14:56] <tsdgeos> :)
[14:56] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, any other issues that are blocking this landing that you're aware of?
[14:57] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: no, it seemed to work good enough in vivid+overlay
[14:57] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, excellent news
[14:57] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, after we sync gstreamer versions, we'll be able to dual land just about everything in the media stack
[14:57] <tsdgeos> awesome :)
[14:58] <jhodapp> which will avoid this issue for the future
[15:42] <mterry> Saviq, I saw that my wakelock fix MPs were marked superceded -- there was a new branch needed?  some bug fix or something?
[15:42] <Saviq> mterry, conflict with multiSurfaceApp
[15:43] <mterry> ah
[15:43] <Saviq> mterry, so yeah, you might wanna look at the diffs if I broke something
[15:43] <Saviq> when resolving
[15:43] <mterry> ah I'm sure it's fine, but sure I'll look
[15:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: have a sec?
[15:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yep
[15:54] <tsdgeos> dandrader: so the new Swipe area doesn't have sceneDistance property just distance, is there any easy way to port a code that is using one to the other? I'm specially strugging with the EdgeDragEvaluator of DragHandle
[15:55] <tsdgeos> seems like the distance is reset while the sceneDistance continues to grow (if testing with DDA)
[15:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, IIRC, SwipeArae::distance == DirectionalDragArea::scenedistance
[15:58] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[15:58] <tsdgeos> ok i'll triple check
[22:19] <enes> halp unity8 wont load
[22:19] <enes> on ubuntu 15.10