[01:05] <ubotu> i855-crt: i855 TV Out switching. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:05] <flaccid> hmm not sure sorry
[01:06] <markelhas> the first time that i installed kubuntu 6.06 i've a performance problem due to use partition magic to create partition. But in the channel someone told me to use the partition tool that was in the live cd and it works. But now the i've used it and the slow performance is there.
[01:06] <flaccid> markelhas: id look for other xorg.conf people use in google for your video card / driver the i810
[01:07] <flaccid> um maybe partition magic did screw something when you use it
[01:08] <markelhas> flaccid: nop because everything was working with 6.10, but now with 7.04 not
[01:08] <flaccid> so
[01:08] <flaccid> you still used partitionmagic
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: not anymore, used the partition tool that was in livecd
[01:09] <flaccid> yes not anymore
[01:09] <flaccid> but you did in the past the same disk
[01:09] <flaccid> goto #xorg and ask for advice
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: yes i did
[01:09] <flaccid> ok
[01:09] <markelhas> flaccid: ok thnks
[01:10] <flaccid> i dont think i can help further
[01:11] <leleobhz> noone with bluetooth here?
[01:12] <richardh_> Anyone have problems suspending to RAM or Disk?
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> yes
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> i have a fix
[01:13] <fssssssssssh> but its still taking too long
[01:14] <fssssssssssh> do you have nvidia oder ati richardh_ ?
[01:17] <pucko-> oh sweet. beryl wasn't hard at all to get working. what a surprise.
[01:17] <fssssssssssh> :)
[01:18] <markelhas> flaccid: in top the Command Xorg got 95% of CPU
[01:18] <flaccid> swee pucko- i might try it then one day
[01:19] <flaccid> markelhas: there is your problem :) check the X log to see what might be doing this
[01:19] <flaccid> also disable DRI for now to see if that is the problem
[01:19] <balu> Hey guys, how to enable nvidia on Feisty (Kubuntu?) I don't have "System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager" as the Wiki suggests... Do I have to install it manually?
[01:19] <markelhas> flaccid: when i try to open something Xorg to 95%
[01:20] <markelhas> flaccid: can u help me with that, how can i disable DRI?
[01:20] <flaccid> comment it out of xorg.conf
[01:21] <flaccid> the last section
[01:21] <markelhas> flaccid: ok
[01:21] <flaccid> you can also try commenting out glx for the time being for testing
[01:21] <flaccid> but checking logs is important. so is nagging people in #xorg again :)
[01:22] <markelhas> flaccid: no one helping there :(
[01:23] <flaccid> correction. no one helping there atm :)
[01:23] <markelhas> flaccid: lol yap sorry
[01:24] <flaccid> hehe
[01:24] <cps1966> !googleearth
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[01:24] <markelhas> flaccid: so, can i reload xorg.conf without rebooting?
[01:25] <flaccid> markelhas: yeah logout to kdm. then select restart X server
[01:26] <cps1966> !Medibuntu repository
[01:26] <Eyeless> how do i make firefox use mplayer-plugin instead of the useless default gnome-mediaplayer?
[01:27] <Eyeless> that would be totem
[01:28] <Eyeless> !Medibuntu
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[01:30] <cps1966> !repositories
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[01:34] <Eyeless> !totem
[01:34] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[01:34] <Eyeless> !mplayer
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[01:40] <{Black_Devil}> !kaffeine
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[01:40] <{Black_Devil}> !kdewallet
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[01:45] <cps1966> gofish
[01:47] <skyion> !hmm
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 Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[01:59] <cypherdelic>    kdelibs: Hngt ab: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  E: Kaputte Pakete
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  where is 3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  i updated my sources.list
[01:59] <cypherdelic>  there is no +2 on Main Server neither on German Server
[02:00] <markelhas> flaccid: hei the Xorg keep at 95%
[02:00] <flaccid> anyone know how to open a media file in konqueror via smb:/ and stream it instead of having to d/l the whole movie first before playing?
[02:01] <jmv> flaccid: use smb4k and mount shares
[02:01] <flaccid> markelhas: so im assuming you checked the log and nothing sus is there
[02:02] <markelhas> flaccid: i've changed the xorg.conf file and restart the X and very very slow
[02:02] <flaccid> jmv: i already use smb4k, i don't want to mount anything, i want to stream it like windows does
[02:02] <markelhas> flaccid: i think i've check the right log :P
[02:02] <flaccid> markelhas: what did you check
[02:02] <cypherdelic> please help
[02:02] <leleobhz> 3~argh
[02:02] <flaccid> !ask > cypherdelic
[02:03] <flaccid> !help
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[02:03] <markelhas> flaccid: the boot log!
[02:03] <flaccid> markelhas: it doesn't log there. see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:03] <markelhas> flaccid: and dmesg also
[02:04] <jmv> flaccid: there's no other way
[02:04] <cypherdelic> !ask kdelibs
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[02:04] <cypherdelic>  <cypherdelic> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[02:04] <cypherdelic>     kdelibs: Hngt ab: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   E: Kaputte Pakete
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   where is 3.5.6-0ubuntu14+2
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   i updated my sources.list
[02:04] <cypherdelic>   there is no +2 on Main Server neither on German Server
[02:05] <cypherdelic> please help
[02:05] <Jucato> !de
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[02:05] <flaccid> jmv: i think some media players can do it, otherwise its a limitation of kde and windows beats linux hands down here! ?
[02:06] <giaso> hi all
[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> !ninan
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[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> !usenet
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[02:08] <NiceGuyUK> bummer
[02:09] <markelhas> flaccid: to many strange things in that log, don't no if there are errors or not!
[02:09] <TooMuchBeer> does having Kubuntu running on an install that also has the gnome-desktop metapackage installed cause many problems under the native KDE desktop ?
[02:10] <giaso> i need some basic help with feisty
[02:10] <markelhas> !paste
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[02:10] <flaccid> markelhas: pastebin it
[02:10] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: no problems
[02:10] <flaccid> !ask > giaso
[02:11] <TooMuchBeer> flaccid: hmmm, ok, there goes one theory of mine :-/
[02:11] <giaso> every first time i log into kde, starkde is extremely slow, if I stop it and re-login it works as it should
[02:11] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: whats the problem?
[02:11] <markelhas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17582/
[02:11] <giaso> is there any way to debug or get a log from startkde?
[02:11] <markelhas> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17582/
[02:12] <hans_> Has anyone had any troubling booting the kubuntu feisty cd? Mine stops at different times during the loading of the linux kernel on my laptop
[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> !noapic
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[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> !no_apic
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[02:13] <TooMuchBeer> bummer again
[02:14] <obsethryl> a trivial question, how well rooted is kde rooted into kubuntu? Are there any issues that deserve special mention in this last release?
[02:14] <TooMuchBeer> hans_ : I can't remember the exactg option, but there's a boot option something like "noAPIC" that helps on laptops.  Google will help find the correct syntax ?
[02:14] <flaccid> obsethryl: only what is on the release notes
[02:15] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: no acpi is on google yes
[02:15] <hans_> TooMuchBeer: Ok thanks
[02:16] <obsethryl> flaccid: thanks, are there any links to find out more about KDE and ubuntu and the relative "politics" of it? I see in kdedevelopers blog that there are people who work in the kde team and for kubuntu as well, but there is some net contrast in views regarding the overall experience...
[02:16] <cps1966> !mozilla
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[02:16] <obsethryl> I would very much appreciate any input on this
[02:18] <flaccid> obsethryl: that talk will be all over the net. just keep googling!
[02:18] <flaccid> obsethryl: heh or join their mailing lists and other things to get into it
[02:18] <obsethryl> flaccid: kind of difficult to separate the static i am afraid, there are some overzealous people on both sides
[02:18] <hans_> nopaic and noacpi is two different things?
[02:18] <obsethryl> flaccid: thanks for the reply nonetheless
[02:19] <flaccid> obsethryl: i am not sure what you are trying to find out or conclude. its an open community
[02:19] <flaccid> the static?
[02:19] <flaccid> just remember that only when its at a proof of concept level do generalisations against something eg. a distro are valid
[02:20] <Edulix> hi
[02:20] <obsethryl> flaccid: kubuntu is good, kubuntu is bad, cool / uncool. I am trying to find out how much effort is likely to continue to be put in kubuntu development regarding KDE, given that the main mommy distro is doing all things alla gnome.
[02:20] <Edulix> how can achieve in a directory that new files inside it are getting always rw-rw-r-- permissions by default?
[02:20] <obsethryl> flaccid: google contains too much 1 vs 2 things and i thought of directly asking in here and #kde
[02:20] <Edulix> now they are getting rw-r--r-- which is anoying
[02:21] <hans_> obsethryl: It is my experience that whatever fancy thing ubuntu brags about kubuntu will have it 1 or 2 version later
[02:21] <hans_> I like Ubuntu and dislike Kubuntu but like kde and dislike Gnome...
[02:22] <von> hello
[02:22] <obsethryl> hans_: i know, i prefer KDE myself a lot; right now i am on debian btw
[02:22] <flaccid> obsethryl: ubuntu is like the most popular linux disto in the world atm. kubuntu doesn't develop kde, KDE develops KDE.. so im not sure what you mean.
[02:22] <cps1966> hans_:  maybe you should give sabayon a try
[02:23] <hans_> cps1966: ?
[02:23] <von> Does someone know well KDE????
[02:23] <cps1966> gentoo at its best
[02:23] <giaso> why von?
[02:23] <obsethryl> flaccid: integration of KDE within kubuntu; jriddel is a kubuntu developer developing for kde as well. I am trying to figure out if kubuntu is not only existing for getting the attention of average kde users or it is a project that is to have better luck in the future as well, nothing more
[02:24] <von> giaso: cause i've an error when i launch kde applications
[02:24] <markelhas> flaccid: did u check the log !?
[02:24] <flaccid> obsethryl: you still don't make sence
[02:24] <flaccid> sense
[02:24] <obsethryl> flaccid: every distro has issues with QA over big projects like KDE the ones that have less win; that said i am in the process of testing kubuntu
[02:24] <giaso> von: what kind of error?
[02:24] <flaccid> obsethryl: kde is packaged
[02:25] <Assimilator> hello
[02:25] <von> X Error: BadDevice,invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:25] <obsethryl> flaccid: yes, but that does not mean by default that everything is done flawlessly, take for example issues stated in kdedevelopers blog from KDE people regarding gentoo packaging of the KDE desktop + all its affiliated apps
[02:25] <flaccid> well im still not sure what sort of conclusion you are trying to get to. there is a lack of quality assurance in the linux world. i havnt seen a distro that has a quality process...
[02:26] <Assimilator> how do I get compiz to work in kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:26] <giaso> von: looks like some xorg configuration error
[02:26] <icecruncher> just a quick question, how do you copy a directory with cp?
[02:26] <TooMuchBeer> flaccid: Xandros has just passed LSB certification
[02:26] <giaso> cp -a
[02:26] <icecruncher> thanks
[02:26] <von> giaso : I know I've strange stuff in it
[02:26] <flaccid> obsethryl: in that respect, you need only look at kubuntu bugs on launchpad and do the deduction from there. ubuntu is a cutting edge distro so its not stable like debian or something
[02:26] <roadfish> von: you can also ask the #kde gurus if the #kubuntu gurus can't help. Or even ask on #xorg.
[02:27] <von> giaso : but if i remove them X doesnt work
[02:27] <flaccid> TooMuchBeer: what is lsb certification?
[02:27] <obsethryl> flaccid: there are, some tend to be extremist in it and result in slow releases, others in midway others non at all. I am just trying to find out how good is QA in the case of kubuntu and if there are any complaints about it. I am only doing field research through personal testing and asking in here :)
[02:27] <TooMuchBeer> Linux Standards Base
[02:27] <flaccid> markelhas: looking now
[02:27] <llutz> hi
[02:27] <giaso> von: try reconfiguring xorg-server
[02:27] <obsethryl> anyway, i appreciate the time taken to respond from all people, thank you.
[02:28] <von> giaso do you know what wacom input device is?
[02:28] <flaccid> obsethryl: which distros have it? well in terms of quality assurance, i think ubuntu sux bad, and i've been telling them that for a long time now.
[02:28] <s-toned> I'm not conscious of anything I've probably have done, but, most of the fonts (KDE-programs, xchat, sylpheed,...) are very small now, and OpenOffice.org has huge fonts (user interface). What could be the cause for this?
[02:28] <david_> salut a tous
[02:28] <obsethryl> flaccid: debian has good QA, so does centos/redhat
[02:28] <obsethryl> i cannot say which has what in which best of ways since it would be impartial
[02:28] <giaso> von: graphics tablet, you can safely remove it if you don't have any
[02:28] <giaso> von: and remove wacom packages too
[02:29] <obsethryl> i am only peeping into this (k)ubuntu thing and trying to figure out if it is worth a switch or something
[02:29] <von> giaso : I did it but X wasn't working anymore
[02:29] <senser> ] -[i
[02:29] <flaccid> obsethryl: yes and you just need to remember that kubuntu shares the same repos as all the other ubuntus........
[02:29] <icecruncher> another quick question, is there a program very simmilar to mx dreamweaver, if not, what is the closest?
[02:29] <roadfish> von/giaso: I'm getting this "BadDevice" error too. I too tried removing those wacom lines and KDE wouldn't restart. I don't have a tablet.
[02:29] <flaccid> !baddevice > roadfish
[02:29] <senser> anyone has solution for freezing usb mouse on a laptop ??
[02:30] <giaso> von: is thery any other input device except for wacom, you need at least a mouse
[02:30] <obsethryl> icecruncher: nvu or you could also  try aptana as a plugin for eclipse. quanta+ is another good choice but a bit far from dreamweaver style
[02:30] <TooMuchBeer> icecruncher: Quanta Plus, Bluefish are good web editors.  I've not used Dreamweaver but those two cover most common needs
[02:30] <von> giaso : sure i ve mouse and keyboard
[02:30] <icecruncher> k
[02:30] <icecruncher> thanks
[02:30] <giaso> von: in xorg.conf i mean
[02:30] <von> giaso : me too
[02:30] <senser> anyone has solution for freezing usb mouse on a laptop ??
[02:31] <MuJ> try starting with irqpoll kernel option?
[02:31] <senser> Muj - me ??
[02:31] <roadfish> von: did you check this?
[02:31] <roadfish> !baddevice > von
[02:31] <MuJ> senser: yes, you
[02:31] <giaso> von: you should debug xorg log to see why it doesn't work without wacom config
[02:31] <senser> what irqpoll does ???
[02:31] <MuJ> senser: at least I need that to my usb devices to work, dunno why :|
[02:32] <giaso> von: and look for lines starting containig error string 'EE'
[02:32] <jrh3k5> Aaaaaargh.
[02:32] <von> giaso : what's the name of the x log file
[02:32] <jrh3k5> Upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 has broken my sound.
[02:33] <flaccid> markelhas: i can't see any problems. does it keep logging as its doing 9*% cpu ?
[02:33] <von> roadfish : not yet thx!
[02:33] <giaso> von: /var/log/Xorg*
[02:33] <markelhas> flaccid: every time that i start any app
[02:34] <giaso> have to go now, bye all
[02:34] <von> giaso : thx I'll try and come back later
[02:34] <Alarm> hello, is there any application to keep a small database of my dvd and cd disks ?
[02:35] <jrh3k5> Does anyone have a link to a good repository of possible solutions to Kubuntu 7.04 killing my sound when it worked fine under 6.10?
[02:36] <MuJ> Alarm: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12426
[02:36] <Alarm> okie
[02:37] <MuJ> there might be others on the kde-apps.org so have a look :)
[02:37] <flaccid> markelhas: was that in the log you pasted?
[02:37] <markelhas> flaccid: i can see it in a console with top
[02:37] <Kubuntu> How do you install American Army with apt-get install?
[02:38] <flaccid> im talking about the log
[02:38] <flaccid> not cpu usage
[02:38] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[02:38] <Kubuntu> And where can I find NVIDA drivers?
[02:38] <markelhas> flaccid: not in the log
[02:38] <flaccid> markelhas: i can't help any further
[02:38] <roadfish> von: out of curiosity, do you have a touchpad on your keyboard? I have something called the "Cirque Input Center" but I haven't attached the touchpad.
[02:38] <flaccid> !nvidia > Kubuntu
[02:38] <markelhas> flaccid: ok thnks :(
[02:39] <verduz> Where are the hosts.allow and hosts.deny in Kubuntu Feisty? I couldn't find them in /etc/
[02:40] <crimsun> verduz: they're not created by default. If you want one/both, create it/them.
[02:41] <verduz> crimsun: how do i create them? I have to simply create a text file with that name and the options i want?
[02:42] <peer> I'm in the process of upgrading to feisty which is almost done. but now it wants to remove mozilla-mail which I'm using. What now?
[02:42] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[02:44] <crimsun> verduz: yes, just follow standard hosts.{allow,deny} syntax
[02:44] <peer> i wonder if i can safely have mozilla-mail removed without losing my mails, addressbook etc., but also what program to use then. can i reinstall mozilla-mail later? i'm a bit lost
[02:45] <velle> Hi. I have a problem with all my video display apps (VLC and Kaffeine). It used to work, but now (I am not sure when it started) my computer totally crashes (The monitor starts turning on and off, and I cant even use ctrl alt delete) immediately when I try to play any kind of movie.
[02:45] <dennister> ppl, i realize this may be slightly off-topic, but I'm looking for some advice on adsl modems
[02:47] <Kubuntu> How do I install the NVIDA drivers, not for ubuntu (that guide asks me to use programs I don't have)?
[02:48] <dennister> my provider was only selling ovislink modems 3 months ago, and my connection inexplicably just stops working pretty well everyday...now they're selling speedtouch modems too, but I don't know that throwing another $100 on a modem will improve anything if the line is the problem
[02:48] <Alarm> whast the command that calls the "System Settings" window
[02:48] <flaccid> thats how you do it Kubuntu substituting the programs with kde ones
[02:48] <aldin> how to resize image.png to image.png (128x128) over console
[02:48] <mcgregor> hello dudes
[02:48] <dennister> the line provider is saying it was "a crappy connection" from the start
[02:49] <Kubuntu> But the thing in the control panel isn't there, I have chosen witvh card I have, but the driver is still nv.
[02:49] <mcgregor> i have a problem with running ktorrent
[02:49] <mcgregor> can someone help me?
[02:49] <flaccid> Kubuntu: edit xorg.conf manually and change it
[02:49] <Kubuntu> I also have a problem with ktorrent, it crashes
[02:49] <dennister> so do i...ever since the last update
[02:49] <Kubuntu> Is the driver already on my computer?
[02:50] <mcgregor> i don't what happened
[02:50] <mcgregor> i don't know what happened
[02:50] <LotusLantern> hi, I installed Kubuntu, but now I dont the root-password. What can I do?
[02:50] <mcgregor> but after a few week when it was running great
[02:50] <dennister> i mean, I hate going back to the hated rogers cable for my connection, what with their traffic-shaping, but at least it was reliable
[02:50] <mcgregor> it crashed
[02:51] <Kubuntu> Is all the NVIDA drivers installed with feisty?
[02:51] <flaccid> no
[02:51] <flaccid> thats why you have to d/l
[02:51] <dennister> my downloads are just sooooooo much faster without rogers (they're now shaping ALL encrypted traffic, too)
[02:51] <flaccid> im off i've had enough tonight. cyas later
[02:51] <Kubuntu> d/l?
[02:51] <mcquaid> hello, i have a nvidia card that doesn't have hardware overall so no brightness,contrast adjustments when using xv for playback
[02:52] <mcquaid> with mplayer opengl playback fixes this
[02:52] <mcquaid> since i've switched to kde, i've been using kaffeine, which allows the selection of opengl for playback
[02:52] <mcquaid> but brightness/contrast sliders still have no effect
[02:52] <mcquaid> is there a reason/workaround for this?
[02:53] <mcquaid> err hardware overlay i mean
[02:53] <mcgregor> is there anyone from romania out there?
[02:54] <von> roadfish : Thx for the links it works for me!!!!!!
[02:55] <roadfish> von: works for me to ... actually, thank flaccid who gave the tip
[02:55] <Kubuntu> Where do I get the nvida drivers?
[02:55] <Timsen> on the nvidia web page
[02:56] <Kubuntu> No easyer way?
[02:57] <verduz> crimsum: I have created a hosts.deny file. I used kate in root mode and make a hosts.deny file containing "# /etc/hosts.deny" (without quotes) and in the line below "ALL:ALL" (without quotes). Have i make the right procedure?
[02:57] <Kubuntu> gime a nice fps, pliiiiiiiiiz!
[02:58] <roadfish> I'm having a screen refresh problem. Often in KPanel or in emacs-snapshot-gtk, extra junk from before-the-refresh is still being displayed.
[02:58] <roadfish> how can I fix this screen refresh problem?
[02:58] <Kubuntu> New screen?
[02:58] <Kubuntu> Is there any good fps in kubuntu?
[02:59] <Kubuntu> for*
[02:59] <SkyblastAtWork> Kubuntu: Tremulous maybe
[03:00] <TooMuchBeer> Kubuntu: some of the windows ones work too.  I have both Doom III and Return To Castle Wolfenstein working under Linux binaries
[03:00] <Kubuntu> sudo apt-get install tremulous?
[03:01] <SkyblastAtWork> Think so, it is in the repos
[03:01] <verduz> crimsun: with the same procedure, i created an host.allow files containing "#/etc/hosts.allow", "#Allow localhost", "ALL : <IP_ADDRESS>". Was that right?
[03:02] <_4strO> !package
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <crimsun> verduz: that's the default (with the absence of /etc/hosts.allow)
[03:03] <dennister> have the repos and servers calmed down after the rush post-19th? has anyone used the kvm yet?
[03:03] <verduz> crimsum: ok, thanks
[03:03] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: repos, and servers yes.  kvm, not yet
[03:05] <hans_> what is kvm now?
[03:05] <dennister> thx TooMuchBeer; I'm really wondering how the kvm will work...quite the idea to be able to install winblows from within Linux
[03:05] <Alarm> and now a difficult question. i did something (i cant remember what, or if my system did that on its own) . and instead of having one entrty in the kmenu list of "System Settings" , System Settings is now a category in the menu list and look and feel , personal and such things that are as icons in the System settings, are now as menus also in the kmenu . how can i change that
[03:05] <dennister> hans_: kernel virtual manager
[03:05] <dennister> unfortunately i can't complete my migration 100%; I still need win sometimes
[03:05] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: why would you want to break Linux like that ;-P
[03:06] <dennister> for one thing: all the Canadian government sites won't work with Mozilla 2...only mozilla 1 with redhat and suse
[03:06] <guglielf> hi, i need to install kdar but i can't find it in feisty rep...any idea?
[03:06] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: lobby your local representative. Get better adoption of standards!
[03:07] <dennister> so i had to use internet explorer...ewwwwwwwwww
[03:07] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: (or use IEs4Linux to use IE under Linux)
[03:07] <richardh_> anyone have any idea what why I can't suspend KDE because of the usb_storage module?
[03:07] <TooMuchBeer> I have IE on my Kubuntu Laptop for web testing
[03:08] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: I suspect its related to mounting/unmounting devices "safely"
[03:08] <hans_> Laptops and kubuntu arrgh
[03:08] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: I'd have to lobby no less than 3 representatives for the 3 levels of government...and I already told the provincial people about the problems
[03:09] <TooMuchBeer> hans_: this laptop has had Ubuntu/Kubuntu since the day I bought it, and never any problems - one day I must remember to sedn the Windows CDs back to the manufacturer for a refund :D
[03:09] <roadfish> dennister: sometimes you can get sites working with Mozilla if Mozilla identifies itself as Internet Explorer.
[03:10] <dennister> sorry, i should be more accurate: the sites work with Mozilla 2/Kubuntu; it's certain web tools on these sites, like revenue canada's epass/netfiling of taxes that don't
[03:10] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Well mine is an edgy gone feisty and won't hibernate, suspend, use camera or even boot the feisty cd
[03:10] <dennister> roadfish: i'll have to try that
[03:10] <Eruantalon_> I was just about to file a bug report
[03:10] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: but the error message keeps appearing even after I've unmounted any usb device...
[03:10] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: hmm, are they Java/JavaScript/Flash apps?
[03:11] <nick_> #ubuntu-it
[03:11] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: what's the device and what's the error?
[03:11] <dennister> probably...i'd have to check, and to check i'd have to go into the winblows drive
[03:12] <Eruantalon_> Bugreporting just seems pointless in Ubuntu/Kubuntu. If you use the stable version you won't get the update for 6 months and if you use unstable your system is supposedly unstable and bugs are "allowed" to appear
[03:13] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: we report bugs for the Karma ;-)
[03:13] <Eruantalon_> :-)
[03:13] <dennister> governments don't listen to techies' or citizens' complaints anyway...we've got a really nasty bunch in Ottawa now...very vindictive...are about to vote on a really horrible pro-DRM revision of the copyright laws
[03:14] <LotusLantern> hi, I installed Kubuntu, but now I dont the root-password. What can I do?
[03:14] <dennister> in the pockets of all the big ISP/media companies...harpers' conservatives make me want to puke
[03:14] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: I know the ones you mean, some female politician in the payroll of the media companies.
[03:14] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: you don't need it. Anything you need to run as root, just put "sudo" in front of it and use your user password
[03:14] <dennister> yes, her and others who'll have big input into the pro-drm laws
[03:16] <darx> where can i disable the annoying sounds of kde?
[03:16] <dennister> my old representative, in the area where I use to live, was the ndp leader, jack layton, and he alerted me to freeware for netfiling taxes: studio tax is great!
[03:16] <dennister> now i don't have to pay $40 every year to the likes of quicktax, ufile, cantax... :)
[03:16] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: I want freeware for *avoiding* taxes ;-)
[03:16] <acemo> how do i remove the full screen logo at boot?
[03:16] <jhutchins> !sudo
[03:16] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:16] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[03:16] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:16] <dennister> very cute TooMuchBeer
[03:17] <mart81> why is the svn server so freak'n slllllllow...
[03:17] <dennister> for all Canadians: StudioTax rocks!
[03:17] <Eruantalon_> If my laptop won't boot with kubuntu feisty cd and I've tried noapic nolapic and acpi=off to no avail. My next step should be...?
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: does it get stuck at the same place every time?
[03:18] <acemo> how do i remove the full screen logo at boot?
[03:18] <darx> how can i disable sound notifications in kde.. i cant seem to find it?
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> !bootsplash
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <TooMuchBeer> !usplash
[03:18] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[03:18] <Mena> fiesty installation was very long bit i wait and its installed correctly
[03:18] <Mena> with me
[03:18] <Mena> but*
[03:19] <TooMuchBeer> acemo: it's in that link above somewhere I think
[03:19] <dennister> darx: type in "kcontrol" into a terminal, you'll find it there
[03:19] <roadfish> dennister: it works in Linux?
[03:19] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: Thank you
[03:20] <dennister> roadfish: sorry, StudioTax is windows, but like i said, you can't netfile anyway with kubuntu and mozilla 2
[03:20] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: but still I would like to know how to do that
[03:20] <Mena> i hav a prblem here that i added the a repo for wine .9.35 and now i wont to change it to .9.33 bec it has a bug with an app so how can i do this
[03:20] <darx> dennister: it doesn't seem to stick.. i diabled all sounds from notifications
[03:20] <dennister> and that has nothinig to do with the tax software, it's the government application on their sites
[03:21] <dennister> darx...yes, i had the same problem of it "not sticking" but I forget how i solved it...u may have to do it individually with each app
[03:22] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: It gets stuck when I hit enter it manages to write "loading" but thats it. Expect sometimes it get to 74% loading linux kernel. And sometimes around 30%. But for the most time just the loading textg
[03:22] <darx> dennister: hmm... thanks anyway
[03:22] <darx> mute
[03:22] <dennister> sorry...wish i could remember better
[03:22] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: just a thought - did you try installing from an Edgy CD, then doing a dist-upgrade afterwatds?
[03:22] <TooMuchBeer> might be a workaround for now ;)
[03:23] <dennister> that's a good idea TooMuchBeer
[03:23] <dennister> i need some advice on modems :(
[03:23] <darx> hhhhhhh
[03:24] <dennister> i meant boradband modems :)
[03:24] <dennister> i haven't used dialup in about 7 years
[03:24] <TooMuchBeer> ;)
[03:24] <dennister> stop it!
[03:24] <dennister> :)
[03:24] <TooMuchBeer> lol
[03:24] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Yes. Thats how I am running fesity now.  Way to many things doesn't work. So I thought about doing a clean install might result in a working system
[03:25] <TooMuchBeer> its a shame there's not a "net install" CD like Debian, its parent, does things
[03:25] <dennister> i have a adsl modem/router...less than 3 months old, and it cuts out on me for no reason every day
[03:25] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: sure its not an ISP or telco problem?
[03:26] <darx> someone change the topic back.. i accidently changed it i guess.. did i?
[03:26] <darx> :o
[03:26] <dennister> i've been trying to determine that...my current isp (a wholesaler for teksavvy) says my connection has been crappy from the start, but other customers have also been complainig
[03:27] <TooMuchBeer> more ADSL microfilters?
[03:27] <dennister> and teksavvy (very well-respected independent) says it could be the bell lines
[03:27] <LotusLantern> I have problems with the Wireless Internet. I can see several Hotspots in the list, and if I want to connect to one Kubuntu tries it but then it is still not connected
[03:27] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: you using KNetworkManager?
[03:28] <dennister> either it's the line, and the only alternative is going back to rogers cable...what with their terrible traffic-shjaping of ALL encrytpted traffic...or spending another $100 to try another adsl modem with teksavvy/my isp
[03:28] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: So I should now file a bug? at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug right?
[03:29] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: it probably won't hurt - make sure you include as much info about your hardware setup as you can to help the guys out :)_
[03:29] <danny500> #mplayer
[03:29] <LotusLantern> TooMuchBeer: Yes we use that.
[03:29] <dennister> i'm really quite ticked off that this modem is less than 3 months old, and if it is the modem/router, i can't get a refund of any kind, either
[03:30] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Ok. Will do that.
[03:30] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: I've found it can be a bit unreleiable.  I use command line to connect when it fails - sudo iwconfig eth1 essid TheESSIDYouWant followed by sudo dhclient eth1
[03:30] <TooMuchBeer> LotusLantern: replace eth1 with your network card name
[03:31] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: were you talking to me in regard to "more adsl microfilters"? if so, what do u mean by that?
[03:32] <Alarm> why when i copy files from the ntfs partition on my ext3 the trasnfer rate is really slow. something like 3-10mb/s ?
[03:32] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: if you have a standard copper wire phone system and ADSL as your broadband, try putting ADSL microfilter devices in front of every phone/modem device to filter out analogue noise
[03:33] <BadRabbit320> ow do I set auto-identify in Konversation?
[03:33] <dennister> TooMuchBeer: it's a dry loop copper line :) no Ma Hell for me thx
[03:33] <mlocker> Hi
[03:33] <Lopi> hi
[03:34] <mlocker> I wanna help
[03:34] <TooMuchBeer> dennister: all ADSL advice based on UK phone system ;-)
[03:34] <TooMuchBeer> mlocker: wait for someone to ask a question you know the answer to, and dive right in :)
[03:34] <aaroncampbell> Will there be version upgrades for software packages in Feisty soon?  I'm suffering from VERY regular crashes in ktorrent that can be fixed by upgrading to 2.1.4, I know that Thunderbird 2 is out, and I'd like to have that, and it also seems that digiKam needs some libraries updated (as per another bug I have)
[03:34] <mlocker> i will add program to startup in Kubuntu
[03:34] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: the error is "suspend2ram failed to unload usb_storage", but there's no device attached anymore
[03:34] <dennister> hahah...if anyone is looking to try VOIP, I actually found a really good provider in BC...i'm quite impressed with their prices and customer service
[03:35] <test> How I enablle nvidea propritary driver in Kubuntu?
[03:35] <TooMuchBeer> richardh_: try sudo rmmod usb_storage beofre suspending as a manual workaround?
[03:35] <Eruantalon_> test: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:35] <Eruantalon_> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:36] <Lopi> when i try to open txt file i see information with text: "could not finde mime type aplication-octet stream", And the txt file dont remember configuration of type file and aplication to open it...why? and how i can repair it?
[03:36] <test> Eruantalon there is a option in uuntu does thiis noot exisssst in Kubuntu?
[03:36] <dennister> lol...that's the way to stick it to the corporate welfare bums :)
[03:37] <Eruantalon_> test: what do you mean?
[03:37] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: Is there a certain package that I should file the bug under?
[03:37] <test> In ubuntu feisty there is a option to click to enable nvidea driver, there is not one in Kubuntu feisty
[03:38] <Eruantalon_> test: No we're behind
[03:38] <TooMuchBeer> Eruantalon_: sorry, I'm not entirely sure on that one.
[03:38] <Eruantalon_> TooMuchBeer: It is going to be "I don't know" then
[03:38] <TooMuchBeer> :)
[03:38] <habeeb> Can you enable the desktop effects like in Ubuntu in Kubuntu?
[03:39] <dennister> Eruantalon_: when will kubuntu get caught up with that? do u know?
[03:39] <TooMuchBeer> habeeb: yes
[03:39] <Eruantalon_> dennister: Nope. Usually they are about 1-2 versions behind...
[03:39] <habeeb> TooMuchBeer: and what happens if I have an ATI card? (9600XT) (Always buggy in Linux)
[03:40] <dennister> hmmm...i usually recommend to new users that they try kubuntu instead of ubuntu cause they'll be more familiar with the winblows-like organization of kubuntu
[03:40] <TooMuchBeer> habeeb: not sure, only ever used nvidia, but the core Compiz/Beryl/AIGLX stuff shoudl work fine under Kubuntu as much as it does Ubuntu
[03:40] <TooMuchBeer> brb, boss
[03:41] <habeeb> TooMuchBeer: I'm not using Ubuntu anyway.. - ok
[03:41] <habeeb> So I don't know if my card would work in Ubuntu
[03:41] <jussi01> habeeb: just download the live cd...
[03:42] <dennister> of course i haven't done my feisty upgrade yet...am trying to decide whether to do a clean install and clean everything out here while I'm at it, or try the edgy-upgrade method
[03:42] <habeeb> Smart :o
[03:42] <habeeb> I forgot there were live cds arround :P
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ATI = eeeeevil
[03:43] <jussi01> dennister: Id reccomend the clean install... my personal choice..
[03:43] <habeeb> Thanks for the news :P
[03:43] <dennister> Daisuke_Ido: ur sooooooo right :)
[03:43] <jussi01> habeeb: np's
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> BUT!  it can be done
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> i just...  have no idea how
[03:44] <dennister> jussi01: yes, that's usually my preference...clean installs usually work better
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> working on a clean feisty install here, and upgraded the lappy from edgy to feisty
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> both seem to be rock solid
[03:44] <jussi01> dennister: they do. and it forces you to back up that stuff youve been meaning to back up for months....
[03:44] <habeeb> Ehm this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2505909#4 makes me sceptical... Isn't Feisty supposed to automaticaly download your drivers and set them up? Why is he talking about "choises"?
[03:45] <dennister> it just takes so friggin long with my system...i'm a mythtv user...yes, i've actually been backing up and moving stuff for days already...while the repos and servers were so crazy
[03:46] <richardh_> toomuchbeer: oh, right, I'll try that, thanks
[03:46] <dennister> i don't know how to export all my mail from kmail, tho :( exporting seems to only work for the contacts
[03:47] <Eruantalon_> Ironic how The kubntu device database chrashes while I am reporting that my hardware is detected badly
[03:48] <dennister> anyone know where all the sent mail and incoming mail is stored in kmail?
[03:49] <Lopi> somebody can help me?
[03:49] <dennister> i actually better do this upgrade before i go back to the hated rogers as my isp :(
[03:54] <roadfish> I'm getting incomplete refreshes in some apps (like emacs and KPanel). In KPanel, the bad refresh looks like: http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2858/badrefreshux5.png
[03:54] <roadfish> what could be causing this bad refresh?
[03:56] <M_Fatih> hi
[03:56] <NetersLandreau> hello all.. i want to install the mstt core fonts.. what source is that listed on?
[03:57] <rohan> on shutting down in kubuntu from the livecd, the CD is ejected and "Press ENTER to continue" appears, but pressing enter does nothing. i need to shut down by holding down the power button ..
[03:57] <rohan> known bug ? any workarounds /
[03:57] <dennister> never mind...i found it
[03:57] <Eruantalon_> Then my bug is reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109962 Go ahead and tell my why it is all my fault anyway :-)
[03:57] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that?
[03:58] <rohan> NetersLandreau: just do "sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts" in terminal
[03:58] <M_Fatih> my ssh broken, only ssh, error before connection "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[04:01] <roadfish> actually, I've learned that I'm using the wrong term. I have a redraw or repaint problem ... not a screen refresh problem. The problem is illustrated in the imageshack URL above.
[04:02] <NetersLandreau> rohan: when i do that i get the message is not available but is reffered by another package so it is only available from another source
[04:03] <dennister> bye for now folks
[04:04] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that?
[04:04] <NetersLandreau> is there a place to paste code here?
[04:04] <brzeszczot> hello
[04:05] <brzeszczot> i had a little problem with beryl :)
[04:05] <brzeszczot> scaling window by top right corner doesn't work - maybe someone know this problem :]
[04:06] <sjpatrick> Are there firefox 2.0 packages available for pre-7.04 Kubuntu?
[04:06] <malik__> !pastebin | NetersLandreau
[04:06] <ubotu> NetersLandreau: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:07] <malik__> i accidently deleted a pic which i was lookat in Kview....i cant find it in trash bin......how do i retrieve that? any help plzzz?
[04:08] <rohan> NetersLandreau: please paste your sources.list somewheree
[04:08] <rohan> NetersLandreau: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:10] <NetersLandreau> rohan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17612/
[04:10] <dusty-work> Hey guys, I am having problems getting beryl to work correctly.  When I am in X (KDE/Kubuntu) I type beryl-manager, it starts then goes to a bright white screen and nothing much happens.  I folloed a tutorial on howtoforge and the only thing I didn't have was Direct Rendering Switched on (No instead of Yes).. any ideas what could be causing this, also how do I switch direct rendering on?
[04:11] <rohan> the amarok in ubuntu had some way of installing mp3 codecs right ? here it is giving me a demux error when trying to play an mp3 file in amarok
[04:12] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh, you are using edgy and not feist ?
[04:12] <TuTuFF> trying to get an ipw3945 working on Edgy .. shouldnt I be able to see the required modules in synaptic?
[04:13] <NetersLandreau> rohan: i had a severe problem with fiesty and had to downgrade yesterday.. that is when i lost my corefonts
[04:14] <Lopi> my kubuntu dont remember the configuration of type and deycatet aplication of txt type files...how can i repair it?
[04:17] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh. apt doesn't really support downgrading. did you downgrade from feisty to edgy using apt, or reinstalled edgy using the cd ?
[04:18] <NetersLandreau> rohan: reinstalled edgy from cd
[04:19] <rohan> NetersLandreau: ok. the sources.list appears fine to me :0s
[04:22] <NetersLandreau> rohan: when i tried to go with fiesty, something broke and i was unable to even boot up in single user mode.. did the upgrade thru apt.. decided to try fresh install of fiesty but ran into a lot of problems.. finally said screw it and renstalled edgy.. 10 hours later i was able to have my workstation back
[04:23] <rohan> NetersLandreau: oh .. strange :( no idea
[04:24] <NetersLandreau> rohan: thx for trying to help.. corefonts aren't that big of a deal :)
[04:25] <rohan> np :)
[04:28] <danny500> how do I get rid of the totem plugin for firefox without getting rid of the ubuntu desktop?
[04:28] <canYOUhelp> what can i do if fsck hangs on boot @ 22 %
[04:28] <canYOUhelp> im not even able to enter root recovery shell, because fsck will start there too
[04:29] <M_Fatih> ~ $ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:29] <M_Fatih> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:29] <M_Fatih> ?
[04:29] <canYOUhelp> nve didnt hang, only stayed there for a long time
[04:32] <aurelux> salut
[04:32] <aurelux> des francais?
[04:34] <danny500> aurelu: #kubuntu-fr
[04:34] <CapaH> Why on earth is it that Konversation starts every single time I start Kubuntu/how do I disable this?
[04:35] <danny500> aurelux: #kubuntu-fr
[04:35] <danny500> hey does anyone know how to disable the totem plugin for firefox?
[04:37] <Alarm> which package is needed for the firefox to support java applets ?
[04:37] <Alarm> i got jdk1.6 but somehow firefox still needs a plugin
[04:37] <danny500> Alarm: java
[04:37] <Alarm> well i got jdk1.6 installed
[04:38] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~/Applications/cedega-6.0$ java -version
[04:38] <Alarm> java version "1.6.0"
[04:38] <danny500> Alarm: open synaptic, go to the file your trying to install, right click it and go to the menu where it says something like install recommended packages and the one below that to
[04:39] <danny500> it should install everything needed to run what you want
[04:39] <danny500> also install 1.5.0 ok for a backup
[04:39] <CapaH> ... Can anyone tell me how to disable KDE from starting applications upon startup?
[04:40] <Alarm> danny500,  if i knew which packages is needed for firefox to support applets would i be here asking ?
[04:40] <danny500> O_O
[04:40] <jhutchins> CapaH: First, try closing all your applications, then log out and log back in (don't use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace).
[04:40] <danny500> I told you, open synaptic, go to the file your trying to install, right click it and go to the menu where it says something like install recommended packages and the one below that to
[04:40] <jhutchins> !java | Alarm
[04:40] <ubotu> Alarm: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:41] <abattoir> CapaH: or... turn off Session Restore in  System Settings->Advanced->Session Manager
[04:41] <Alarm> i got java installed ,  i said i have allready jdk1.6
[04:41] <danny500> CapaH: open your session settings, you can edit your app start up function there
[04:41] <Alarm> i just want firefox to use it
[04:41] <jhutchins> Alarm: I thought it might have something about the pluggins.
[04:41] <ubuntu_> What is the easyest to use c++ complier?
[04:41] <aro> g++
[04:41] <_atidem> ubuntu_: g++
[04:42] <CapaH> thanks
[04:42] <ubuntu_> g++: no input files
[04:42] <danny500> Alarm: also install 1.5.0
[04:42] <ubuntu_> How do I solve that?
[04:42] <Kazade> Hey, If I've converted an Ubuntu Feisty to a Kubuntu Feisty by apt-get installing kubuntu-desktop, how can I remove GNOME completely to leave a clean Kubuntu?
[04:42] <Alarm> danny500,  why to install jdk1.5 ? dont get ur way of thinking
[04:43] <atidem> ubuntu_: g++ -o file file.cpp
[04:43] <ubuntu_> sudo apt-get remove gnome-desktop
[04:43] <jussi01> hei all, general question: can someone explain to me how to get the source out of a srpm? (if its possible?)
[04:43] <danny500> Alarm: thats so if 1.6.0 isn't compatible with what your trying to do
[04:43] <danny500> 1.6.0 is pretty new
[04:43] <ubuntu_> Didn't wrok
[04:43] <ubuntu_> g++: file.cpp: No such file or directory
[04:43] <ubuntu_> g++: no input files
[04:43] <jussi01> ubuntu_: that just removes the meta package
[04:43] <atidem> jussi01: with alien
[04:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:44] <ubuntu_> What is wrong with g++?
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you need to read up on how to compile things, try google searching for basic g++ use
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you don't literally type "file.cpp"
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you type whatever file you have on your computer that you're trying to compile
[04:44] <ubuntu_> So I have to make a file first?
[04:44] <jussi01> ubuntu_: try installing build-essential
[04:44] <aro> ubuntu: you can't compile from absolutely nothing, so yes you need a file
[04:45] <jussi01> atidem: are you sure? I thought alien just did rpm - deb?
[04:46] <jhutchins> !build | ubuntu_
[04:46] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:46] <Kazade> nobody know how to remove GNOME? should I just go through removing stuff like gedit, rhythmbox etc. one at a time?
[04:46] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: That should get you started, but if you're trying to install software you should start by staying within the available packages.
[04:46] <atidem> jussi01: yes, you install deb package and then will use source
[04:46] <jhutchins> Kazade: Why?
[04:46] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: sudo aptitude remove gnome-desktop ?
[04:46] <Kazade> nah that just removes the meta-package
[04:47] <jussi01> atidem: I want to get the sources out of an srpm  - I dont actually want to install the thing
[04:47] <jhutchins> Kazade: Need disk space or just offended by the waste?
[04:47] <Kazade> I'm introducing someone to Kubuntu from WIndows, and I accidently downloaded the Ubuntu iso.... I just wanted a clean, consistant Kubuntu desktop to get her started
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:48] <atidem> jussi01: it's the only method that I know to use source files from an srpm
[04:48] <Kazade> TooMuchBeer: you're a genius, thanks!
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> ;)
[04:48] <TooMuchBeer> replace "purekde" with "puregnome" to do other way round :)
[04:49] <jhutchins> TooMuchBeer: You realize that you don't exist, right?
[04:49] <TooMuchBeer> lol
[04:49] <jhutchins> There's no such thing as TooMuchBeer.
[04:49] <Alarm> any good application to create a database of my cd/dvd ?
[04:49] <TooMuchBeer> jhutchins: as in "I've had...TooMuchBeer to be at work this afternoon and stil be useful"
[04:50] <jhutchins> TooMuchBeer: Get your priorities straight man!
[04:50] <TooMuchBeer> jhutchins: getting my *vision* straight would be a good start
[04:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone here know anything about xorg.conf and how to edit it correctly... I cannot get my screen to the correct resolution
[04:52] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Well, xorg.conf only offers available resolutions, it does not usually control which one is selected.
[04:53] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: It's usually easier to control that with the GUI configuration tools.
[04:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can't get it to display anything higher than 1024x768
[04:54] <imagine> how do I add a NFS fs on kubuntun?
[04:55] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: In what environment have you gotten it to do better?
[04:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> windows
[04:55] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[04:55] <jhutchins> imagine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[04:55] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: I'd say you need to look at things like refresh rate and memory settings in Windows, see if you can transfer them to Linux.
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I tried with xorg edit
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but they still don't show up
[04:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> as options
[04:56] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Unfortunately, many of the graphics card manufacturers do not supply Linux drivers, or supply drivers that don't work as well.
[04:57] <jager> i don't have a master audio channel for some reason
[04:57] <jager> hm
[04:57] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: kill kdm and start X using startx, and/or look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, see what it thinks it's doing.
[04:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> should I install the latest ATI driver?
[04:57] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: Worth a try if your card is supported by it.
[04:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> do you know what version of the driver is in the repo's?
[04:58] <jhutchins> No.
[04:59] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: You can query apt to see what it is.
[04:59] <imagine> and my audio card doesn't work I'm running a laptop with an intel chipset... I never had a problem with my sound.. I don't really understand where to look at
[05:00] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: check it detects the hardware using lspci maybe?
[05:00] <jhutchins> Lord_Maynoth_42: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[05:00] <bobdhicks> I'm trying to install a program following directions.  I have been using linux less than a month. When I do "python setup.py install" I get the following: "error: could not create 'build/scripts-2.5': Permission denied" Obviously a permission problem but I don't know how or where to change permissions.
[05:01] <TooMuchBeer> bobdhicks: try putting "sudo" in front of that command maybe?
[05:01] <jhutchins> bobdhicks: try sudo python setup.py install
[05:01] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: it is detected..
[05:02] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: you checked all the various sliders in Kmix to ensure nothing is muted?
[05:03] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: I have.. there's only 1 slider in the output..
[05:03] <Alarm> i installed the java jdk1.6 . but for some reason firefox was telling me that the plugin was not installed . so i installed also sun-java6-plugin , and when i did a java -version i saw: java version "1.4.2-02" . removed everything about java, and installed jdk 1.6 again, but somehow the 1.4.2 remeined in my system
[05:03] <bobdhicks> Thanks all. That worked. Forget basics.
[05:03] <Alarm> how can i fix that. to have again java6 on my system and be able to view java applets on firefox
[05:04] <Jucato> Alarm: you need this command: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:04] <TooMuchBeer> Alarm: try sun-java-6 without the plugin part?
[05:04] <TooMuchBeer> imagine: not sure then, sorry I can't help more
[05:05] <Alarm> ok did that. now its 1.6 again
[05:05] <Alarm> now lets see about the plugin
[05:05] <imagine> TooMuchBeer: np
[05:05] <Alarm> TooMuchBeer, sun-java-6 what ? this doesnt exist .
[05:05] <Alarm> there is jre, jdk , demo , bin and such things
[05:06] <TooMuchBeer> jre I think
[05:06] <TooMuchBeer> Java runtime Engine
[05:06] <Jucato> sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-bin is what you would need
[05:06] <Jucato> jdk is the development kit
[05:06] <Alarm> Jucato,  i got jdk1.6 installed
[05:07] <Alarm> that includes jre1.6
[05:07] <Jucato> sun-java6-plugin is installed?
[05:08] <Alarm> Jucato,  ok for some reason it works now , although  i got again the same packages isntalled as before. but sun-java6-plugin was the package that caused the "problem"
[05:08] <Alarm> as it installed on my system jre1.4.2
[05:08] <Alarm> really strange. all  i did now was to reinstall jdk1.6 and suddenly firefox can open java applets. weird.
[05:09] <Jucato> you didn't use the command I gave?
[05:09] <Alarm> i did
[05:09] <Alarm> and chose java 1.5
[05:09] <Alarm> 1.6 sorry
[05:09] <Jucato> that fixed it then
[05:09] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~/Applications/cedega-6.0$ java -version
[05:09] <Alarm> java version "1.6.0"
[05:09] <Alarm> now everything is ok
[05:10] <Jucato> you really have to manually select the default Java version
[05:10] <Alarm> i just dont get why when i installed sun-java6-plugin , it installed on my system jre1.4.2
[05:11] <Alarm> anyway, thank you for ur help
[05:14] <TooMuchBeer> Alarm: dependency bug on the package maybe?
[05:15] <zoohouse> I was having a little problem with the nvidia driver, so lets see if today it's a diff story :)
[05:16] <_Neil> anyone know how I can use SWAT without being on the root acct?
[05:16] <Hail_Spacecake> anyone willing to help me with some wireless connection problems?
[05:17] <_Neil> any one know?  In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 799 kB, installed size 2180 kB
[05:19] <TooMuchBeer> web based?  surely root vs user wouldn't apply...
[05:19] <kalorin`> weird
[05:20] <kalorin`> for some reason rdesktop isn't working, so I go and look and get nothing, so I pull the source to compile and the ./configure complains that it can't find my install of the openssl libraries
[05:20] <kalorin`> on 6.10
[05:20] <kalorin`> where _SHOULD_ openssl lib's be installed?
[05:20] <kalorin`> !openssl
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openssl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <Kazade> TooMuchBeer: That GNOME removal thing worked perfectly thanks!
[05:21] <TooMuchBeer> Kazade: Thank the web page author :)
[05:22] <TooMuchBeer> who maintains ubotu?  might be worth adding that one in there....
[05:22] <TooMuchBeer> !ubotu
[05:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:23] <_Neil> no-one? I can't use SWAT as im not the root user as ubuntu doesnt have one
[05:23] <_Neil> but without being root, i cant see all of the configuration options
[05:23] <TooMuchBeer> _Neil: is it a web based user interface?
[05:23] <_Neil> yeah
[05:23] <TooMuchBeer> root (probably) won't make a difference then
[05:23] <_Neil> you have to log in
[05:23] <_Neil> only as root are all options shown
[05:24] <TooMuchBeer> must be a config issue in SWAT itself then - runnign the browser itself as root won't change a thing
[05:24] <TooMuchBeer> I'm guessing there's an option to set up an "admin" user
[05:25] <TooMuchBeer> or run the SWAT server as root using sudo ?
[05:25] <_Neil> yeah I know :/ dont rlly fancy turning on root in ubuntu either.. feel im missing an easy setting
[05:25] <_Neil> nope it gives you priv's depending on how you are logged in, swat is run as root anyway
[05:25] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm trying to connect to my school's wireless network manually with iwconfig
[05:25] <TooMuchBeer> try gksudo firefox then browsing to your usual SWAT url
[05:25] <Hail_Spacecake> but it won't work
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> even on the network with no key
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> I can get on the very same network with the same hardware when I boot into windows
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> and I can use the same linux conifguration to connect to my home network
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> which does have a key
[05:26] <Hail_Spacecake> so I don't know why it's not working at school
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone tell me where in my xorg.conf file a modline is supposed to go
[05:27] <TooMuchBeer> Hail_Spacecake: what part isn't working?  any messages?
[05:27] <Hail_Spacecake> no, no message
[05:27] <Hail_Spacecake> s
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> i type sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid SESSION
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> and when I do iwconfig by itself
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> it says there is no access point
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> even though iwlist wlan0 scan picks up the network fine
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm on the computer in windows now, or I'd post the iwconfig output
[05:28] <Hail_Spacecake> such as it is
[05:29] <TooMuchBeer>  built in wireless or USB?
[05:29] <Hail_Spacecake> built in
[05:29] <Alarm> must there be any plugin for kaffeine to support my tv tuner card ?
[05:29] <Hail_Spacecake> configured with ndiswrapper, but I've got that working fine at home
[05:30] <kalorin`> anyone know anything about libssl?
[05:30] <kalorin`> or open ssl specifically?
[05:30] <TooMuchBeer> Hail_Spacecake: not sure then, sorry
[05:31] <zoohouse> whats nvidia-glx-new for??
[05:34] <M_Fatih> my ssh return segfault?
[05:34] <stdin> zoohouse: Description: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. These XFree86 4.x/X.Org binary drivers provide optimized hardware acceleration of OpenGL applications via a direct-rendering X Server and supports the newer GeForce, nForce and Quadro families of NVIDIA chipsets. AGP, TV-out and flat panel displays are also supported.
[05:36] <zoohouse> stdin: thanks
[05:36] <zoohouse> not sure which one to choose... nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx...
[05:36] <zoohouse> nvidia-glx isn't working
[05:37] <Jucato> zoohouse: depends on the video card that you have
[05:37] <zoohouse> iv used nvidia-glx in the past with no problem. Now it doesn't want to work...
[05:38] <Jucato> zoohouse: did you remember to install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[05:38] <stdin> zoohouse: you could try the -new one, if that doesn't work try -legacy
[05:39] <zoohouse> stdin: ok let me give it a try brb
[05:40] <PP188> pessoal.. como fao para desabilitar a montagem da minha particao do windows na inicializacao do ubuntu????
[05:41] <Jucato> zoohouse: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html is a list of the 3 groups of supported cards
[05:41] <PP188> sorry[
[05:41] <Jucato> !br | PP188
[05:41] <Jucato> bah :)O
[05:41] <ubotu> PP188: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:41] <Jucato> zoohouse: the first group at the top is supported by nvidia-glx-new. the 2nd group is nvidia-glx,and the last group is nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:42] <zoohouse> Jucato: sorry, i didn't see the prio msg because gaim isn't notifing me of new msg (im on a laptop for irc and pc for the nvdia fix)
[05:42] <Jucato> it's ok
[05:42] <zoohouse> Jucato: I didn't insall linux-restricted
[05:42] <zoohouse> can that be the prob?
[05:43] <Jucato> zoohouse: ah yes
[05:43] <zoohouse> wooo
[05:43] <Jucato> linux-restricted-modules-generic (if you're using the -generic kernel)
[05:43] <zoohouse> heh
[05:43] <zoohouse> ok im going to install now
[05:43] <Jucato> after you install that, rerun "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[05:43] <medvedolos> hello ... could sb please help me? Where can I set ubuntu to keep aliases permanently for every computer start?
[05:43] <stdin> medvedolos: in bash?
[05:43] <Jucato> medvedolos: the .bash_aliases file
[05:44] <Jucato> ~/.bash_aliases (if that's what you meant)
[05:44] <medvedolos> super! :) Thanks a lot
[05:44] <zoohouse> Jucato: the linux-rest-generic is installed
[05:44] <_benjo_> what is the preffered virtualization tool in Kubuntu?  KVM??
[05:44] <zoohouse> it was installed when i checked
[05:45] <stdin> medvedolos: you need to uncomment the section or ~/.bashrc to get bash to read it tho
[05:45] <stdin> s/or/of/
[05:46] <achilles> aloha
[05:46] <achilles> hey need some help
[05:46] <achilles> just update to fiesty
[05:46] <achilles> but dont like the Kmenu with those bloated images
[05:47] <achilles> how can i get rid of these bloated images in Kmenu
[05:47] <jmv> does anyone know in which package to find python documentation in the info format?
[05:47] <achilles> anyone awake
[05:48] <zoohouse> Jucato: would i have to install the kernel source nvidia-kernel-new-source also?
[05:48] <Jucato> zoohouse: hm..no
[05:48] <zoohouse> k
[05:50] <achilles> zoohouse: can you help me
[05:51] <zoohouse> Jucato: when i try to install nvidia-settings with nvidia-glx-new i get this error in adept: "there was an error commiting changes. Possible there was a problem downloading some package or the commit would brake packages."
[05:52] <stdin> zoohouse: try using apt-get to see what the problem is
[05:52] <Jucato> zoohouse: yes. don't install nvidia-settings
[05:52] <zoohouse> ok
[05:52] <Jucato> nvidia-settings and nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-new are mutually exclusive
[05:53] <zoohouse> Jucato: I noticed that with nvidia-glx
[05:54] <zoohouse> humm did it work??? let me run glxgear brb
[05:55] <zoohouse> didn't work
[05:55] <zoohouse> let me check the xorg.conf to see if the driver is set to nvidia instead of nv
[05:56] <stdin> zoohouse: did you restart the X server after installing/enabling the drivers ?
[05:56] <zoohouse> stdin: ah, thats right.
[05:56] <sstchur> How come, if I start an app, say Firefox, and then close it right immediately, while the little FF icon is still "bouncing", the apps closes but the cursor icon continues to "bounce" for like another 30 seconds?
[05:57] <stdin> sstchur: because that just tells you the app was started, not that it's actually running
[05:58] <sstchur> stdin: what's interesting is that I've noticed several cases where the cursor continues to bounce for what feel like forever, after an app has clearly already started -- other times, it bounces just briefly and then it's done.  what would cause this difference?
[05:58] <stdin> sstchur: not too sure, but the people in #kde would know
[06:00] <llutz> sstchur: it should stop bouncing after an app was successfully started. seems not to work very solid reliably
[06:00] <_benjo_> anybody work with KVM in Kubuntu?
[06:01] <sstchur> llutz: for me, it will always stop eventually, but take Firefox for instance, sometimes it is still bouncing while I'm browsing to web pages!
[06:01] <zoohouse> stdin Jucato: when I sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and restart the x server (ctr+alt backspace). Xserver doesn't load. I type startx and it starts X. Then I try glxgear and I get this error: "Xlib: extention "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: Couldnt get an RGB. Double-buffered visual.
[06:01] <jeffm> HI, all
[06:02] <Jucato> zoohouse: hm... try "sudo nvidia-xconfig" instead
[06:02] <zoohouse> stin jucato: When I check xorg.conf it still has the nv instead of nvidia. I will change to nvidia now
[06:02] <llutz> sstchur: maybe because FF isn't KDE, but as stdin said: #kde should know more
[06:02] <zoohouse> ok im going to try nvidia-xconfig
[06:02] <Jucato> zoohouse: also try "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)" to double check if you have the correct restricted modules installed
[06:02] <sstchur> llutz: ok... i'm in that channel inquiring now
[06:02] <zoohouse> Jucato: ok
[06:03] <jeffm> Hey, can anyone tell me if it's feasible to have an OpenSSH server running on two different ports simultaneously?  I connect to my home machine via SSH frrequently and my wife would like to do the same, but she's in the hospital and their network appears to be blocking port 22.
[06:04] <zoohouse> Jucato: i already have the newst ver it says
[06:04] <zoohouse> nothing was installed
[06:04] <Jucato> ok
[06:04] <Jucato> how about the sudo nvidia-xconfig command?
[06:04] <zoohouse> Jucato: should l try nvidia-xconfig now?
[06:04] <zoohouse> ok
[06:05] <Jucato> with sudo of course :)
[06:05] <Lynoure> jeffm: yes, just add more ports to the configuration file
[06:06] <llutz> jeffm: /etc/ssh/sshd_config -> define multiple "Port"
[06:06] <jeffm> lynoure: and I should be able to find the configuration file via man or Google?
[06:06] <Lynoure> jeffm: see  man sshd_config
[06:06] <jeffm> llutz: thanks
[06:07] <jeffm> Lynoure: thanks.  I haven't done a lot of manual configuration of these kinds of services.
[06:07] <Lynoure> jeffm: This is a good one to start with :)
[06:07] <zoohouse> Jucato: errors when starting x: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-9631, but X module has the version 1.0-9755. Please make sure that the kernel mod and all the NVIDIA driver componets have the same ver.
[06:07] <Lynoure> jeffm: and I hope you wife gets better soon.
[06:08] <Jucato> hm...
[06:08] <zoohouse> weird right?
[06:08] <Ashex> zoohouse, how did you install nvidia drivers?
[06:08] <jeffm> Lynoure: Yeah, except I'm at work right now.  Thanks for the thought.  She's perfectly healthy -- she's just on bed rest because we're at 26 weeks with triplets and she really needs to take it easy so they can camp out and develop as long as possible.
[06:08] <jeffm> So thanks for the help, all.
[06:09] <zoohouse> This problem started recently. Like I said, like a month ago I didn't have this problem
[06:09] <zoohouse> Ashex: yea i have nvidia-glx-new installed
[06:09] <llutz> zoohouse: purge all nvidia-things and the restricted-modules, after that install them again. worked here
[06:09] <Lynoure> jeffm: :)
[06:09] <JackPhil> sometimes the konsole screen don't refresh completely
[06:09] <Ashex> zoohouse, how though
[06:09] <zoohouse> llutz: how do you purge on kubuntu?
[06:10] <JackPhil> what'w wrong
[06:10] <Ashex> did you download from nvidia, through apt, or automatix?
[06:10] <zoohouse> Ashex: adebt
[06:10] <Ashex> ah, okay
[06:10] <llutz> zoohouse: aptitude purge ..
[06:10] <Ashex> hmm
[06:10] <Ashex> I had this issue awhile back
[06:10] <Ashex> it's usually because you don't have the restricted-modules for your kernel
[06:11] <Ashex> you need to update it to your current running kernel
[06:11] <Ashex> at least, that's the issue i had last time i got that error
[06:12] <ferret_0567> Does anyone know how I can open two copies of the same PDF in different windows inside KPDF?
[06:12] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: two diff tabs?
[06:12] <ferret_0567> No
[06:13] <ferret_0567> two diff windows
[06:13] <ferret_0567> ...unless you can detach tabs
[06:13] <kalorin> FYI, composite and rdesktop 1.4.1 don't get along
[06:13] <kalorin> disable the composite extension and you can use rdesktop
[06:13] <ferret_0567> Oh, was that my problem earlier?
[06:14] <khaije1> just upgraded. Anyone know how i can restore my music ratings in amarok. I've kept the original .kde in a seperate folder ut can't find it
[06:14] <ian__> beryl any good?
[06:14] <kalorin> 1.5.0 is fine with it, but there's no .deb packages for 1.5.0 yet in the 6.10 repository
[06:14] <ferret_0567> I noticed that when I used rdesktop, it would close all of a sudden
[06:14] <ferret_0567> I was using Edgy then
[06:14] <kalorin> oh no this was a deal where it would complain about color depth
[06:14] <kalorin> wouldn't even fire up
[06:15] <ferret_0567> Hmm...did the server kick me off?
[06:15] <Ashex> odd
[06:15] <Ashex> krdc works fine for me when i run beryl
[06:15] <ferret_0567> That was weird...
[06:15] <lovloss> Help me pleaaaaase. I cant get feisty's desktop in any way shape or form to load up. When it starts to load the desktop the screen turns off, and the monitor light goes out. Every time. It did this during installation of the live cd and i had to use a text install, but even now, once i type 'kdm' there goes my monitor. Please please please give me some pointers here. Im using a radeon x700, a 64 bit system, and a SATA HD
[06:15] <ferret_0567> I wasn't using KDE, either
[06:15] <ferret_0567> I was using the Terminal Server Client in Ubuntu
[06:16] <ferret_0567> I also tried using rdesktop directly
[06:16] <Ashex> ah
[06:16] <Ashex> the terminal server client seems to function a little better for me
[06:16] <Ashex> but all krdc does is launch rdesktop with arguments
[06:16] <ferret_0567> So does the GNOME thingy
[06:16] <Ashex> Interesting
[06:17] <ferret_0567> ...
[06:17] <zoohouse> Ashex, Jucato: ok uname -r gives me 2.6.20-15-generic the linux-res-mod package says "For 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64". My CPU is 64bit but Im on Kubuntu for 32bit. Do I have the wrong package? Kubuntu installed that package on its own.
[06:17] <aib> can anyone with logs tell me who said my name? was it a spammer, like usual? :)
[06:17] <ferret_0567> Is there a way to view the same PDF in two windows on KDE?
[06:17] <Ashex> lovloss, have you tried going to an alternate screen and running "startx" ?
[06:18] <aib> ferret_0567, you can install acrobat reader for linux
[06:18] <lovloss> Ashex: what do you mean?
[06:18] <ferret_0567> Why must I install that?
[06:18] <ferret_0567> I had the functionality described using GNOME, in Evince
[06:18] <Ashex> zoohouse, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[06:18] <ferret_0567> And, with evince-gtk, like Xubuntu uses
[06:19] <ferret_0567> I guess I'll have to use Evince
[06:19] <ferret_0567> This is bad...
[06:19] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: on my system i just click on the PDF twice and it opens in 2 diff kpdf apps
[06:19] <ferret_0567> Oh
[06:19] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:19] <ferret_0567> I'll try that
[06:19] <Ashex> ferret_0567, load two isntances of kpdf
[06:19] <zoohouse> haha
[06:20] <ferret_0567> btw, NuvoX icons are really good!
[06:20] <zoohouse> Ashex: did you get my last msg?
[06:20] <ferret_0567> They come in a .deb fully compatible with Kubuntu, it seems
[06:23] <Ashex> zoohouse, I replied
[06:24] <zoohouse> sorry
[06:24] <ferret_0567> Now it's working!
[06:25] <ferret_0567> Thanks
[06:25] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: all you had to do is click twice?
[06:25] <ferret_0567> No, I'll have to fix my file associations
[06:25] <ferret_0567> I know how to do that, anyway
[06:25] <zoohouse> ah
[06:26] <ferret_0567> More like "Open with... > KPDF" two times
[06:26] <Ashex> hehe
[06:26] <ferret_0567> I like KDE so much, I removed GNOME
[06:26] <Ashex> yeah, it opens inside konq by default
[06:26] <ferret_0567> Yeah, not good
[06:26] <Alarm> what is kio_file ? i see like 10-12 processes that use like 40-50mb
[06:26] <Alarm> ram
[06:26] <ferret_0567> It's amazing how stuff opens inside Konqueror, embedded, like that
[06:27] <ferret_0567> I like the audiocd:/ KIO Slave too
[06:27] <Ashex> such is the beauty of KDE :)
[06:27] <Ashex> All the K apps work together seamlessly
[06:27] <ferret_0567> Yup
[06:28] <ferret_0567> Do you like Yakuake?
[06:28] <ferret_0567> You can get it from universe
[06:28] <Ashex> what is that?
[06:28] <Ashex> !info yakuake
[06:28] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 512 kB
[06:28] <Ashex> interesting, haven't tried it
[06:28] <ferret_0567> You should
[06:29] <Bryan1> is anyone here able to provide help with settings for Beryl?
[06:29] <ferret_0567> It'll take a little bit of getting used to, to mess with the options
[06:29] <Ashex> Bryan1, #ubuntu-effects
[06:29] <Ashex> hehe
[06:29] <Ashex> I'll try it when i get home
[06:29] <Bryan1> Thanks
[06:29] <ferret_0567> Grrr...is TuxType a really good typing tutor
[06:29] <Ashex> I'm at work right now
[06:29] <zoohouse> Bryan1: i used berly not too long ago, maybe i can help
[06:29] <Lynoure> ferret_0567: I like Ktouch for that
[06:29] <frojnd> hello there, can someone tell me how to install blue tooth adapter (level one - 2.0)
[06:29] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:30] <ferret_0567> I'll try it
[06:30] <besonen_mobile> any ghost users here?  i just restored a kubuntu ghost image (on a dual-boot winxp laptop) only to have grub fail on reboot with an "error 15" message.  i could you some guidance in remedying this situation.
[06:31] <Ashex> frojnd, plug it in
[06:31] <Ashex> for me, plugging in the bluetooth adapter just works :)
[06:31] <ferret_0567> Cool
[06:31] <Ashex> hmm
[06:31] <ferret_0567> Which one?
[06:31] <Ashex> !grub | besonen_mobile
[06:31] <ubotu> besonen_mobile: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:31] <Ashex> Kingston bluetooth
[06:31] <ferret_0567> ok
[06:31] <Ashex> lemme double check the model number
[06:32] <zoohouse> Ashex: It is already installed 2.6.20-15generic
[06:32] <Ashex> Kensington 33348
[06:32] <besonen_mobile> thanks Ashex:  i'll do some more reading.
[06:32] <Ashex> zoohouse, did you install nvidia-kernel-source?
[06:32] <zoohouse> Ashex: no
[06:32] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, stick around and I'll do some reading
[06:32] <frojnd> Ashex: ya well, when I plug it in everythin it's ok, but when I start blue tooth headst blue tooth finds it but there is somekind of message that it can't connect to it.. if I do this in XP headset works.. so any ideas?
[06:33] <ferret_0567> !info basket | Ashex (this is a really good piece of software!)
[06:33] <ubotu> ashex (this is a really good piece of software!): basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (feisty), package size 4826 kB, installed size 7452 kB
[06:33] <Ashex> Hmm
[06:34] <zoohouse> Ashex: it is installed now. nvidia-new-kernel-source. What else?
[06:35] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i have an appointment very shortly for the rest of the day so i won't be able to "stick around" (although i will keep idling and logging the channel).
[06:35] <Ashex> zoohouse, resatart X
[06:35] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, okay, I'll message you any urls I find
[06:35] <besonen_mobile> thanks
[06:35] <Ashex> no problem
[06:36] <Ashex> I spent 3 hours last night working on grub, so I should be able to dig something up
[06:36] <ferret_0567> Domino is a really good KDE style
[06:36] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[06:37] <zoohouse> Ashex: I restarted x and x started but I think it started due to that the xorg.config is still showing "nv" instead of nvidia. Do you want me to try nvidia-xconfig?
[06:37] <Ashex> ah
[06:38] <Ashex> zoohouse, yeah
[06:38] <Ashex> or just edit xorg.conf and change nv to nvidia
[06:38] <zoohouse> Ashex: same error about the 2 versions
[06:39] <zoohouse> Ashex: do I have to reload the kernel mod or something like that? would rebooting the pc help?
[06:39] <kubuntu_tester> I have compiled my own version of mplayer, adept_notifier signals an update for this program but it's a previous version - how can I disable it?
[06:39] <Ashex> zoohouse, yeah, try rebooting
[06:39] <Ashex> as we just installed a kernel module, so it may need it
[06:39] <Ashex> are you on a laptop?
[06:40] <kubuntu_tester> it's boring
[06:40] <zoohouse> Ashex: I am using laptop for IRC only. The vid card stuff is on a homemade pc
[06:40] <Ashex> ah
[06:40] <Ashex> just curious
[06:41] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: you didn't make a mplayer.deb, just "make install"?
[06:41] <zoohouse> Ashex: WOOT WOOT
[06:41] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: I used checkinstall
[06:41] <Ashex> zoohouse, working for ya?
[06:41] <zoohouse> Ashex: it think it is working :D let me log in and chack glxgears
[06:41] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: try setting it on hold
[06:41] <Ashex> hehe, ok
[06:42] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: done but didnt work
[06:42] <zoohouse> Ashex: thanks for the help :D
[06:43] <Ashex> no problem :0
[06:43] <zoohouse> :)
[06:45] <kubuntu_tester> llutz: is there a command that permit me to disable update for this package?
[06:45] <kubuntu_tester> I'm reading apt-get manual
[06:46] <llutz> kubuntu_tester: that's what "hold" usually does
[06:49] <Alarm> i think i did something (although i cant remember doing something actually) , and instead of having a shortcut on my K-menu of System Settings. System settings is now a category which includes all the other categories and settings like look and feel, personal , advanced and so on . how can i change that to default ?
[06:50] <Ashex> edit the kmenu and add it as an icon instead of a menu
[06:50] <Filthpig> you've probably edited the K menu, then
[06:50] <Filthpig> hm
[06:50] <Alarm> Filthpig,  honestly i cant remember editing it
[06:51] <Filthpig> maybe you were drunk? huhu. No seriously, do what ashtex said
[06:51] <Alarm> Ashex,  the point is that on the System Settings category there is no command under it so that it would run the window as before. hope u understand what i mean
[06:51] <Filthpig> hm
[06:51] <Alarm> its just like a folder with its subfolders in the menu
[06:52] <Alarm> which ends to the shortcuts of every category, like services, session manager and so on
[06:52] <deviance> I have a home network, and I want to share files over it from my Kubuntu PC, but I dont know how to connect from my Kubuntu PC, The home network is wireless and running of an XP machine
[06:52] <ubuntu_> Does airkrack work in kubuntu??
[06:53] <llutz> ubuntu_: yes
[06:53] <Filthpig> I have a weird problem. I redesigned kde to look like osx, but now when I want the "normal" kde-look back, I cannot get the system tray etc to go where they should. Those bars I could use to drag items around are gone :s
[06:53] <Alarm> changing the icon just changes the icon, doesnt call the window with all the categories of settings
[06:53] <deviance> You may have locked the bards
[06:53] <deviance> bars*
[06:53] <deviance> Click and go unlock
[06:53] <markelhas> hi ppl i'm runnig a livecd of kubuntu, and it's working just fine for me. but when a install it to my disk i've low performance. can i make sure that this config should be used in the installation!?
[06:53] <deviance> also with KDE you cant drag them, you have to configure the pannels and move them
[06:53] <Alarm> deviance,  are u talking to me ?
[06:54] <deviance> No Fithpig
[06:54] <ferret_0567> KTouch is really good
[06:54] <deviance> Whats your problem alarm
[06:54] <deviance> !ktouch
[06:54] <Alarm> can someone tell me the command that is under ther System Setting shortcut in the kmenu ?
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktouch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <ubuntu_> How do I use Aircrack?
[06:54] <Alarm> deviance,  rm> i think i did something (although i cant remember doing something actually) , and instead of having a shortcut on my K-menu of System Settings. System settings is now a category which includes all the other categories and settings like look and feel, personal , advanced and so on . how can i change that to default ?
[06:54] <llutz> ubuntu_: read the documentation
[06:54] <markelhas> !slow
[06:54] <ubotu> The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of !Feisty. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[06:54] <Alarm> its just like a folder with its subfolders in the menu  which ends to the shortcuts of every category, like services, session manager and so on
[06:54] <markelhas> !slow performance
[06:54] <deviance> I have my shortcut set to controlcenter
[06:55] <Filthpig> deviance: panel is unlocked
[06:55] <ubuntu_> Where is the documentation?
[06:55] <deviance> Alarm try kcontrol
[06:55] <deviance> Ok Im outta here
[06:55] <Alarm> kcontrol is something else.
[06:55] <Alarm> its not the one that was by default there
[06:55] <ferret_0567> !info ktouch | deviance
[06:55] <ubotu> deviance: ktouch: touch typing tutor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1375 kB, installed size 3048 kB
[06:56] <llutz> ubuntu_: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php
[06:56] <Alarm> could someone tell me the details of the menu entry of System Settings  ?
[06:56] <ferret_0567> KDE is simply great :)
[06:57] <ferret_0567> I like KTouch and the seamless integration between apps
[06:58] <jeroenvrp> Ihi all
[06:58] <ubuntu_> How do I get the isv file aricrack wants?
[06:59] <jeroenvrp> I'm at a laptop and I need some help with the network-manager
[06:59] <jeroenvrp> I uses ndiswrapper to load a driver and it works fine (I can connect with WEP) using iwconfig
[06:59] <llutz> ubuntu_: use the link and read yourself
[06:59] <markelhas> hi ppl i'm runnig a livecd of kubuntu, and it's working just fine for me. but when a install it to my disk i've low performance. can i make sure that this config should be used in the installation!?
[07:00] <jeroenvrp> but the card doesnt shows up in knetworkmanager
[07:00] <zoohouse> ferret_0567: first time on KDE? :)
[07:00] <wolferine> what is the difference between OSS and ALSA?
[07:00] <Ashex> Markeda, can you be more specific?
[07:00] <Ashex> what is low performing?
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> and when I reinsert the card, I have to set the settings with iwconfig again
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> crad=usb
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> card=usb
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> ???
[07:01] <FringeLicious> jeroenvrp if you can, stick to iwconfig
[07:01] <TheCreationist> I'm having kind of a strange sound issue.  I'm running Edgy.  Every time I login, I need to manually run alsamixer to fix the balance issue.  Kubuntu only plays sound on my right speaker until I change it manually.  How do I fix that?
[07:01] <markelhas> Ashex: after asking for some help and looking for the system, the Xorg process jump do 95% cpu usage
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> -
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> FringeLicious: No, its not my laptop
[07:02] <markelhas> Ashex: i've a laptop asus m3n
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> knetworkmanager should work
[07:02] <Yorokobi> knetworkmanager should still be in beta testing
[07:02] <qubuntu> how do i stop kubuntu from restoring tjhe applications i had when i shut the system down ?
[07:03] <Yorokobi> it just doesn't work
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> it works with other udb sticks
[07:03] <llutz> qubuntu: kcontrol - session-management
[07:03] <bobstro> qubuntu: sounds like session manager. you want to start with fresh session each time?
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> network-manager is NOT in beta
[07:03] <qubuntu> bobstro: yes
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> knetworkmanager is only the front end
[07:03] <FringeLicious> jeroenvrp I thought you meant interior card, sorry, I can't help with exteriors
[07:04] <Ashex> markelhas, install the appropriate video driver
[07:04] <alexicon> !info geoiplookup
[07:04] <ubotu> Package geoiplookup does not exist in feisty
[07:04] <bobstro> qubuntu: well, llutz just ruined the surprise. :) go there.
[07:04] <Ashex> that may be the issue, however it's difficult to say if it's just X that's occupying the cpu
[07:04] <FringeLicious> qubuntu thats in system settings I believe
[07:04] <llutz> shame on me
[07:04] <jeroenvrp> FringeLicious: just a linksys usb stick
[07:04] <foxbeingz> What is the command line if I want to move several folders to a folder? say in a direcotry A I have folder1, folder2, folder3   how doI move them to directory B ?  "cp folder1,folder2,folder3 /B/"   like so ?
[07:04] <bobstro> llutz: you must be loads of fun at christmas. :)
[07:04] <llutz> bobstro: /me hates xmas
[07:05] <markelhas> Ashex: but the driver that i'm using right now in the livecd its working just fine, but not in the disk instalation
[07:05] <qubuntu> thx :)
[07:05] <ferret_0567> zoohouse: no, not first time on KDE
[07:05] <Ashex> hmm
[07:05] <Ashex> I'm not entirely sure what to say about that one
[07:05] <Ashex> !xorg
[07:05] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:05] <ferret_0567> I liked KDE before, but I had not found a note taking app to fit my needs
[07:06] <ferret_0567> I was using Edgy then, and I finally found BasKet, but it was outdated, so, I upgraded to Feisty during the late beta time period, and it was great!
[07:06] <foxbeingz> Can someone please tell me why or how am I banned from the #ubuntu channel? I have several computers on under a router, meaning I have 1 internet IP for all of them. I can get in from my pc to #ubuntu, but cannot do so from my laptop as it tells me that I am banned. ???
[07:07] <ferret_0567> You would want to speak to a channel op
[07:07] <bobstro> foxbeingz: you're not using tor or similar on the laptop?
[07:07] <markelhas> Ashex: when i first install kubuntu 6.10 i also had slow performance due to using partion magic to creat partition to kubuntu. Then some one told me to use the partition tool that was on the live cd. That time resolved my problem. But now keep the slow performance in 7.04
[07:07] <foxbeingz> bobstro: no. nothing like that.
[07:08] <markelhas> Ashex: maybe i must stay with the olde version :(
[07:08] <ferret_0567> You should fresh install Feisty then
[07:08] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i've already tryed a fresh install
[07:09] <ferret_0567> ...
[07:09] <ferret_0567> weird...
[07:09] <foxbeingz> bobstro: internet tells me to " contact the board administrator"  how do I do that I wonder.
[07:09] <bobstro> foxbeingz: ferret_0567 pointed you the right way. check the server info.
[07:09] <bobstro> foxbeingz: are both machined in irc at same time?
[07:09] <markelhas> is any way to be sure to use the setting that i'm using right now on this live cd session!?
[07:10] <bobstro> markelhas: whas is slow?
[07:10] <ferret_0567> I can use IRC on two different computers at the same time on #ubuntu, no prob
[07:10] <foxbeingz> bobstro: not now. Channel info, what exactly should i check ?
[07:10] <bobstro> markelhas: er, what is slow.
[07:10] <bobstro> foxbeingz: i believe there info on the freenode web site.
[07:10] <ferret_0567> markelhas boot up the live cd, and then you can copy some files
[07:11] <ferret_0567> From the live cd home folder to the installed home foldere
[07:11] <ferret_0567> And, then you just change some permissions, and then it should work
[07:11] <markelhas> bobstro: when i try to open kete for example i've to wait a lot to use it. And in the console i type top to check what is appening and the Xorg popus up to 95% cpu
[07:12] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...weird
[07:12] <ferret_0567> There might be one thing that I can think of that might cause your problem
[07:12] <markelhas> ferret_0567: but i don't now the files that a should copy to set this config!
[07:12] <aro> !keep
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <aro> !info keep
[07:13] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 202 kB, installed size 1156 kB
[07:13] <ferret_0567> try all the dot files, the files starting with a "."
[07:13] <ferret_0567> Overwriting them if necessary
[07:13] <foxbeingz> bobstro: I am lookng there, a bunch of sites, but I cannot figure out where specifically I should go/
[07:14] <jen> I switched to Kubuntu after running Mandrake\Mandriva for years and I really like it...Doesn't have the dependency hell like Mandriva did :)
[07:14] <aro> What does it mean when a window fades from colored to grayscale in KDE?
[07:14] <ferret_0567> But, what I have just described might destroy something
[07:14] <charlie> is it possible to upgrade qt4.2.0-1ubuntu in edgy to qt4.2.3?
[07:15] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...I would just reset all settings to defaults by deleting all the dot files and folders from your home folder in the installed system
[07:15] <dwidmann> charlie: well, you could try to pull feisty's packages and hope they work okay (they probably have some major dependencies), else, you'd have to build from source, which shouldn't be very hard
[07:15] <ferret_0567> That will delete all your emails and history and stuff, too
[07:15] <charlie_> thanks
[07:16] <ferret_0567> Either way has similar consequences
[07:16] <foxbeingz> ferret_0567: do I you know where to look for so that I can talk to someone to unban me? As this is some server error
[07:17] <dwidmann> jen: No, it's not too bad
[07:17] <ferret_0567> This might make someone mad, but maybe type !help ?
[07:17] <jen> Charlie, I just looked and it appears that QT4  is buried in the repositories
[07:17] <ferret_0567> That'll contact admins
[07:17] <Ashex> eh?
[07:17] <sparrw> i might be getting my hands on a few dozen old 4-head cirrus logic svga video cards...  gotta find a bunch of CRTs and build a display wall now  :)
[07:17] <Ashex> what's the issue?
[07:18] <ferret_0567> He says he got banned from #ubuntu, and that he can get on from his desktop, but not from his laptop, even though they both have the same IP address on the net' (router)
[07:18] <aro> What does it mean when a window fades from colored to grayscale in KDE?
[07:19] <callidusfox> yeah
[07:19] <ferret_0567> I think it means that the app stopped responding
[07:19] <ferret_0567> I get that in Beryl
[07:19] <dwidmann> that or it has lost focus
[07:19] <jen> Kubuntu even runs on a 5 year old Compaw laptop with a bad memory module where M$ wont :)
[07:19] <aro> I figured as much ferret_0567 and dwidmann
[07:20] <dwidmann> jen: yes, how well does it run though? linux on old low mem machines is still rather painfuli n my experience (good thing ram is cheap)
[07:20] <ferret_0567> Hmmm...does anyone have any problems with Atheros wireless cards causing freezing?
[07:20] <sparrw> how can i turn off my keyboard's capslock remotely?
[07:20] <sparrw> ferret_0567: banned from #ubuntu is a badge of pride
[07:20] <jen> DW, it absolutely purrs
[07:21] <ferret_0567> I do, but I also have the NVIDIA module (driver in windows)
[07:21] <ferret_0567> badge of pride?
[07:21] <ferret_0567> Huh?
[07:21] <dwidmann> jen: I guess it's just because I send my computer to multitasking hell :P
[07:21] <markelhas> how can i check the speed acess to my disk!'
[07:22] <jen> The only thing I miss about Mandriva is their Control Center. I wish Kubuntu would implement something like it.
[07:22] <teida> olaaaaaaaaa
[07:22] <markelhas> teida: ola para ti tb :)
[07:23] <ferret_0567> markelhas: http://linux.inet.hr/how_fast_is_your_disk.html
[07:23] <jen> Having to tweak config files isn't something I've had to do in years, got lazy with Mandriva *lol*
[07:23] <ferret_0567> There are some performance improvements you could make
[07:23] <teida> gracias
[07:23] <dwidmann> jen: I haven't touched mandriva since before the name change, but I know what you're talking about. It had some nice stuff
[07:23] <jen> Gotta say Kubuntu seems faster tho
[07:23] <teida> nadie me habla oqueeee
[07:24] <dwidmann> not for me lately :\ feisty seems slower on mine than it was on edgy ... thinking of switching back to debian for a while because of it
[07:24] <jen> I build my puters to be Linux compatable so I haven't had many hardware issues
[07:24] <markelhas> ferret_0567: thnk, i've best preformance on a live cd than on a disk install, this is crazy stuff :|
[07:25] <teida> ola hellou a todosssssssssssss
[07:25] <dwidmann> jen: best way to do it, I do the same
[07:26] <markelhas> ferret_0567: when u installed your kubuntu did u used the partition tool that was on the live cd?
[07:26] <jen> This is diffferent..haven't been on an IRC since the early 90's
[07:28] <teida> ola ai alguien
[07:28] <ferret_0567> markelhas: I was using Ubuntu then, I did use it's partitioning tool
[07:28] <markelhas> ferret_0567: manual !?
[07:29] <ferret_0567> Manual?
[07:29] <markelhas> ferret_0567: tryng to see if i made same mistake!?
[07:29] <nirvana> c' qualcuno di italiano?
[07:29] <markelhas> ferret_0567: also tryed the ubuntu cd same problem
[07:30] <ferret_0567> Do you need Windows?
[07:30] <ferret_0567> I never needed it when I installed Ubuntu
[07:30] <ferret_0567> I removed it
[07:30] <nirvana> ragazzi io uso beryl ma non riesco a configurarlo perch
[07:30] <nirvana> primo non capisco
[07:30] <nirvana> i tasti
[07:30] <nirvana> per fare
[07:30] <nirvana> il cudo
[07:30] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i've a lot of stuff there that i don't want to loose, also need windows to connect my pocket and other tools for work
[07:32] <ferox> hi
[07:32] <markelhas> ferret_0567: and i'm afraid if a remove it that this problem steel there
[07:32] <ferret_0567> You could ask #linux
[07:32] <teida> os unis al canal lo dejais pro no contais nada
[07:32] <sparrw> ferret_0567: getting banned from #ubuntu is like getting exiled from iraq
[07:32] <paolo> hi. how can i see the dimension of the actual partition and the free space?
[07:33] <sparrw> paolo: df
[07:33] <deviance> Hmm
[07:33] <ferret_0567> You could ask LinuxQuestions, Ubuntu Forums, #ubuntu, and #linux
[07:33] <deviance> Can you guys see this
[07:33] <paolo> thnks sparrw
[07:33] <sparrw> nope
[07:33] <orlando> How i select text in konsole or console without use the mouse?
[07:34] <markelhas> ferret_0567: i'll try thnks man
[07:34] <ferret_0567> We might be able to help if you could post the output of "sudo fdisk -l" to pastebin
[07:35] <teida> ola michail me aburro que t cuentas majo
[07:35] <teida>  olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <teida> olaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <teida> oooooooooollllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:36] <Ace2016> Hi
[07:36] <ferret_0567> !pastebin | markelhas
[07:36] <ubotu> markelhas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:37] <paolo> another question: i have to free /dev/hda3 and let /dev/hda4 take all the space freed by dev/hda3 ... how can i do?
[07:39] <ferret_0567> Well...you should ask #linux
[07:39] <paolo> thnks all
[07:40] <ferret_0567> Your welcome
[07:41] <deviance> pinh
[07:41] <markelhas> ferret_0567: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17654/
[07:41] <deviance> !ping
[07:41] <ubotu> pong
[07:41] <deviance> Oh good, IRC does work :P
[07:44] <ferret_0567> markelhas: I g2g soon, what was your problem again? after you tell everybody your problem again, you should also post the link to the pastebin post you made
[07:44] <deviance> Will 7.04 be lts?
[07:44] <ferret_0567> no
[07:44] <deviance> Hmph
[07:44] <deviance> When will 5.05 support run out
[07:44] <ferret_0567> Maybe the next release
[07:44] <SilverPlated> nope following one
[07:44] <ferret_0567> Not sure
[07:44] <deviance> I'm still on dapper, I think I should upgrade, but this one works fine
[07:45] <deviance> Is it worth it?
[07:45] <SilverPlated> mark had an article saying 8.04 will be the next
[07:45] <ferret_0567> Anyway, the great thing about Linux is that if support runs out, you can get help from the community
[07:45] <deviance> Hmm, thats a long way off
[07:45] <SilverPlated> well dapper is a 2 year lts
[07:45] <deviance> Whats the support, does that mean IRC support as well?
[07:45] <ferret_0567> deviance: yes, I do think the upgrade to Edgy and then Feisty is worth it
[07:45] <deviance> So Support will run out in may for dapper?
[07:45] <ferret_0567> Yeah
[07:46] <deviance> Can I upgrade from the CD?
[07:46] <SilverPlated> unless something happens yes
[07:46] <fdoving> deviance: no, LTS releases are supported for 3 years.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> is it 3?
[07:46] <fdoving> dapper is an LTS release.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> i thought it was 2
[07:46] <fdoving> yes.
[07:46] <SilverPlated> D=
[07:46] <teida> i dont undertand because the 3 people in this chat don't talk with me x saber ingles no soys mas  y a mi no se me da bien okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[07:46] <fdoving> !lts
[07:46] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:47] <deviance> 5 on the server, Nice.
[07:47] <WillLuongo> Hello, is it possible to get a linksys pci wireless card working on KUbuntu?
[07:47] <deviance> Hmm, Is there an apache gui tool to set one up?
[07:47] <deviance> !apache
[07:47] <SilverPlated> i can't imagine someone wanting to run dapper for 3 years
[07:47] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:48] <deviance> I will upgrade, is it risky at all?
[07:48] <SilverPlated> not if you don't have data you wanna keep
[07:48] <SilverPlated> ;)
[07:48] <deviance> Will I loose my settings such as wallpaper, home files?
[07:48] <SilverPlated> there is a chance
[07:49] <SilverPlated> a good one
[07:49] <ferret_0567> I g2g do my school work
[07:49] <deviance> A good one?
[07:49] <deviance> I don't like the sound of that?
[07:49] <SilverPlated> a good chance
[07:49] <ferret_0567> I'll  be back on in about...oh...maybe 3 hours
[07:49] <deviance> Ok cya
[07:49] <SilverPlated> backup and then install
[07:49] <deviance> Yeah
[07:49] <fdoving> deviance: unless something goes horribly wrong, (which should not happen if you follow the guides) - there is not much risk in updating.
[07:49] <deviance> Ok, Ill backup and try it
[07:50] <fdoving> a backup is always advisable anyway.
[07:50] <SilverPlated> from what i've read updating rarely goes well
[07:50] <deviance> Oh dear, My home is 2gigs. I had better just keep what I need, huh,
[07:50] <deviance> 1.1gig music, damn
[07:50] <SilverPlated> meh i have 10gb
[07:51] <SilverPlated> sometimes you just gotta spoil yourself
[07:51] <deviance> All my files are in home, except for my php files
[07:51] <deviance> Any others I should back up?
[07:51] <teida> no
[07:51] <SilverPlated> that dictionary app in ubuntu is nice
[07:52] <SilverPlated> i'll admit I usually assume the worst
[07:52] <deviance> I shall buy a memory stick, any suggestions?
[07:52] <surgy> hi
[07:53] <teida> que eburridos soys enserio ni picandos me seguis el royo o os lo traduzco
[07:53] <surgy> i just downloaded the pcxs2 emulator and it comes in a format with the .7z extension, i tried to open it with ark and ark says "7zr is not in your path" can someone help please?
[07:53] <surgy> !english | teida
[07:53] <ubotu> teida: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:53] <teida> a la chao
[07:54] <fdoving> surgy: you need the package named 'p7zip-full' to unzip that.
[07:54] <callidusfox> bobstro: I reisntall X-Chat irc clinet, deleted my .xchat folder from home folder and now everything works.
[07:54] <deviance> Where is my firefox favorites kept?
[07:54] <callidusfox> bobstro: I can log in to #ubuntu
[07:54] <fdoving> deviance: inside ~/.firefox
[07:54] <SilverPlated> so you typed the message in english?
[07:54] <fdoving> deviance: err.. i mean ~/.mozilla/
[07:54] <dettoaltrimenti_> can I set mp3s to open in moc and automatically play when I click on them?
[07:54] <deviance> How do i get there?
[07:54] <SilverPlated> helpfull for non english speakers
[07:54] <surgy> callidusfox: thank you, is that a pluggin for ark or is it a different program?
[07:55] <amnezia> hi
[07:55] <fdoving> surgy: it is a separate program, but i think ark handles it too.
[07:55] <callidusfox> surgy: worong person ?
[07:55] <fdoving> surgy: ark handles it with that program installed, iirc.
[07:55] <surgy> callidusfox: yes sorry
[07:55] <teida> bye bey
[07:55] <SilverPlated> is koffice any good these days?
[07:55] <deviance> How do I show hidden files
[07:55] <surgy> fdoving: i got this error  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' what can i do?
[07:55] <Daniwan> Is there a way I can revert back to Kubuntu edgy from fiesty?  I dont have backups, do I have to do a clean install?
[07:56] <fdoving> surgy: does other websites work?
[07:56] <mc__> Daniwan: no that is not possible
[07:56] <surgy> fdoving: yes
[07:56] <Daniwan> wtf, why not?
[07:56] <Daniwan> lol windows can do it
[07:56] <mc__> someone should "Downgrades are _NOT_ supported" in the topic
[07:56] <fdoving> Daniwan: clean install is the best option.
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: you can downgrate from windows vista to xp?
[07:57] <Daniwan> If you orriginally had XP yes
[07:57] <SilverPlated> DIS
[07:57] <deviance> Hmm, why upgrade to Edgy and then to feisty?
[07:57] <Daniwan> If you install XP then upgrade to Vista you can rollback to XP
[07:57] <surgy> fdoving: wha6t do i need to do?
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: well,cause they now there new products suck even more
[07:57] <deviance> From what I have heard everyone has had problems under Feisty
[07:57] <Daniwan> True
[07:57] <Daniwan> lol
[07:57] <Daniwan> Yeah VMWARE
[07:57] <fdoving> surgy: change to another mirror.
[07:57] <mc__> Daniwan: but why would you want to dowgrade from feisty to edgy?
[07:57] <Daniwan> VMware
[07:58] <SilverPlated> THIS WEEK ON THE GRANDMA ACTION SHOW!
[07:58] <Daniwan> It doesn't run in fiesty
[07:58] <fdoving> SilverPlated: excuse me?
[07:58] <Daniwan> The new kernel isn't supported
[07:58] <SilverPlated> lol
[07:58] <surgy> fdoving: umm...... by messing with my sources.list? is there a website i can download the .deb from?
[07:58] <fdoving> surgy: you can download .debs from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:58] <mc__> Daniwan: wait,or use qemu with kqemu
[07:58] <Daniwan> unless someone knows a way to get vmware server running on a fiesty install
[07:58] <mc__> Daniwan: or install a supported kernel
[07:58] <surgy> fdoving: thnx
[07:58] <Daniwan> I can run dual kernels?
[07:59] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://www.go2linux.org/node/44
[07:59] <Daniwan> 2.6.15 kernel is supported by VMware, 2.6.20 (Fiesty's kernel) is not
[07:59] <surgy> fdoving: what sub category whould it be under? do you know?
[08:00] <fdoving> surgy: search for it. http://packages.ubuntu.com/p7zip-full
[08:00] <mc__> Daniwan: grab the source of 2.6.15,compile it,run it
[08:00] <besonen_mobile> were there any changes between the last 7.04 "beta" and the final 7.04 release?
[08:00] <mc__> besonen_mobile: bugfixes
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> "beta" being "herd 5"
[08:01] <Daniwan> um...
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> thanks mc__
[08:01] <Daniwan> Is there a non manual way to install 2.6.15 kernel?
[08:01] <Daniwan> Like through adept or something?
[08:01] <Daniwan> or apt-get?
[08:01] <besonen_mobile> mc__:  do you know where i can find the changelog?
[08:01] <mc__> besonen_mobile: why do you want to know that?
[08:01] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, did you get your grub fixed?
[08:01] <fdoving> Daniwan: go read the link i posted to you.
[08:02] <Daniwan> It;s not loading
[08:02] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://www.go2linux.org/node/44 - here it is.
[08:02] <besonen_mobile> mc__:  because i'm  curious
[08:02] <deviance> I run Hoary
[08:02] <deviance> Its the best
[08:02] <mc__> besonen_mobile: hm,alright,dunno sorry
[08:02] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there any way to add options to 'Open With,,,'? I want to run 'mocp -acp' every time I click on an mp3
[08:03] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  nope.  i think there might be a bug in ghost.  if your are around in a day or two i'll tell you what i discover.
[08:03] <Daniwan> Still waiting for response on that site fdoving.  Been waiting since your first post the servers not responding..
[08:03] <deviance> Wait how can I check my version of kubuntu
[08:03] <fdoving> Daniwan: hang on, i'll find the google cache-link for you.
[08:03] <Daniwan> ty
[08:03] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, okay, I'm usually here every day
[08:03] <fdoving> deviance: in konsole: 'lsb_release -a'
[08:03] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, it may be that you need to do grub-install /dev/foo
[08:03] <Ashex> ghost may not backup the MBR
[08:04] <deviance> I am running dapper
[08:04] <deviance> Was edgy 6.10
[08:04] <jacek> is there any way to get 'quicksearch' in menu, like in openSUSE ??
[08:04] <ayjamob> hey folks! could someone help me. how to make work normally two network in kubuntu? same problem are in the most kde-based distros
[08:04] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i backed up the mbr separately with mbrwork.  fwiw, when i looked in /boot the grub directory was missing.
[08:05] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://icanthack.com/?p=53 might work for you.
[08:05] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, what file is missing?
[08:05] <fdoving> Daniwan: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:lC1jHJDDD14J:www.go2linux.org/node/44+vmware+server+feisty&hl=no&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=no
[08:05] <fdoving> nice url. go google.
[08:05] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  the whole grub directory
[08:06] <ayjamob> ,,in same time
[08:06] <aro> Anyone know how to bold text in Konversation? ctrl+b brings up bookmarks.
[08:06] <ayjamob> anyone??
[08:06] <fdoving> Daniwan: basically google for 'vmware server feisty' will give you a bunch of hand-holding when fixing vmware on feisty. it's, no doubt, easier than downgrading or reinstalling.
[08:07] <fdoving> ayjamob: you can do it manually in /etc/network/interfaces - i'm not aware of any smart config tool to do that graphically.
[08:08] <Daniwan> fdoving so I see.
[08:08] <Daniwan> The Icanthack link is for x86, I'm 64bit amd.  Besides renaming the kernel you think the same process should work?
[08:09] <Daniwan> I'm just a little afraid to mess with the kernel by hand
[08:09] <fdoving> Daniwan: try. or google something like 'vmware server 64bit feisty'
[08:09] <Daniwan> good call
[08:09] <fdoving> Daniwan: you're not messing with the kernel, directly. you're trying to compile modules for it.
 my cards is working, but eth1 is going to offline. kde dont like two working card at the same time. i dont know why. i tried to turnof knetwork, but it didn't helped.
[08:10] <Ashex> besonen_mobile, that is very strange
[08:10] <Ashex> I'll be right back, gotta do some work
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> Ashex:  i know
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> i'm outta here
[08:10] <besonen_mobile> thanks for your interest
[08:10] <fdoving> ayjamob: are they both DHCP?
[08:11] <joel> whats a good session video capture app? I tried istanbul but it doesn't work properly
[08:11] <fdoving> joel: xvidcap
[08:12] <joel> fdoving: thanks
 eth0 is not DHCP and connected to internet, and other eth1 is connected to the other Windows computer and not DHCP to
[08:13] <mehdi> hello all
[08:13] <ayjamob> i have kubuntu fiesty
[08:13] <fdoving> ayjamob: ok. static only. I'll make a sample /etc/network/interfaces file for you, and paste it online. hang on.
[08:13] <ayjamob> ok
[08:14] <mehdi> there is somone here how speck french?
[08:14] <LjL> !fr > mehdi    (mehdi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[08:14] <mehdi> plz help
[08:14] <Daniwan> AHA
[08:15] <Daniwan> fdoving, thanks again I think I got it.  It was as simple as running a patch I found on ubuntuforums
[08:15] <mehdi> !thanx LjL
[08:15] <fdoving> Daniwan: great :)
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanx ljl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there any way to add command line arguments to 'Open With,,,'? I want to run 'mocp -acp' every time I click on an mp3
[08:15] <Daniwan> This is why I like ubuntu.  People are actually helpfull.  Thanks for helping me instead of "rtfm"ing me.  ;)
[08:16] <fdoving> ayjamob: http://rafb.net/p/1St9Ar66.html
[08:16] <WillLuongo> Hello, is there any way to get a linksys pci wireless network card working in KUbuntu?
[08:16] <gioacchino> hello I have a problem with open gl
[08:17] <neongau> dettoaltrimenti_: try open with / other and then type it there
[08:17] <gioacchino> somebody can help me ?
[08:17] <gioacchino> !opengl
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: What is your problem?
[08:17] <joel> What is the difrenace between 'mare to be removed' and purge?
[08:18] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: I use latest version of kubuntu  my problem is this: when I use any 3d game
[08:18] <Jack32> okay wtf
[08:18] <gioacchino> it go slowly and wen I close the game crash the session
[08:18] <Jack32> i restarted kubuntu and it had a config wizard pop up randomly
[08:18] <gioacchino> I must login
[08:18] <Jack32> and now my enviroment looks all different
[08:19] <Jack32> my beryl isnt being apoplied, and my windows look like xp theme
[08:19] <Jack32> and beryl is runnign....
[08:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> yeah I tried neongau, but it doesn't recognize the arguments
[08:20] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: I can't say for sure, but when I had opengl apps crash like that, I had to reconfigure my video driver in xorg
[08:20] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: all 3D game play slow and when I close it I must relog in kde session
[08:20] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was how I fixed it.
[08:20] <compilerwriter> Ladies and gents I am having monitor issues.
[08:21] <WillLuongo> But it turned out to be that when I updated to feisty it replaced my legacy nvidia drivers with the new ones.
[08:21] <gioacchino> my hardware is this: motherboard= asus p5w dh deluxe , vga card= nvidia en 6600 512MB, cpu= core 2 duo e6600, ram 1GB
[08:22] <compilerwriter> When I try to do the sytem settings thing and modify my monitor settings a I get an error message about old third party things and something about a failed kde upgrade.
[08:22] <compilerwriter> Now for some reason all of my fonts are giant as well.
[08:23] <gioacchino> WillLuongo: for my nvidia video card the driver is "nv"  ??
[08:23] <zerothis> i have gens with gtk installed. is there a way to also install cli gens so i have both. I have the cli gens source and am ready to ./configure it, i assmue there is a configure option to install cli gens is a non default place or under aq non default name (ie: gens-cli)
[08:24] <WillLuongo> gioacchino: that sounds right to me. I don't really know any more than that, sorry.
[08:24] <gioacchino> thanks..
[08:26] <neongau> is there way to have gtk apps really get styled as the qt apps? in firefox for example the menus look dead-ugly because the line-height is only a 3rd of that in qt :S
[08:26] <compilerwriter> The  module Monitory & Display could not be loaded.  The possible reasons are:  an error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module.  or You have old thir party moldules lying around.  How do I fix this?
[08:27] <WillLuongo> neongau: you can select qt instead of gtk in the system settings
[08:27] <neongau> WillLuongo: that doesn't ever changes anything for me
[08:28] <WillLuongo> System Settings --> Appearance --> GTK styles and Fonts
[08:29] <WillLuongo> neongau: I don't have any other ideas, sorry.
[08:32] <neongau> np, guess i have to live with ugly gtk apps :D
[08:33] <weswh-> i have an Asus A7N8X motherboard, that has SATA - not sure which chipset...does anyone know if that works well with Kubuntu?
[08:33] <weswh-> I'm thinking about getting an SATA system drive
[08:33] <The> Hello Everyone!
[08:34] <WillLuongo> The: hi!
[08:34] <Trubadurix> ehm why does kde suck so much on ubuntu? i installed kubuntu and nothing work then i reinstall i now it cant boot up :( . is it better to install ubuntu and then install kde via synaptic?
[08:34] <wolferine> Trubadurix, what sort of issues?
[08:35] <FireTalon> mine is working fine
[08:35] <gioacchino> I have a probelam with open gl anybody can help me ?
[08:35] <Trubadurix> issues = ???
[08:35] <wolferine> gioacchino, try #ubuntu-effects
[08:35] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: problems..
[08:35] <weswh-> Trubadurix: i've never had problems like that. sounds like a faulty install somehow
[08:36] <Trubadurix> first install i couldnt use konsol. all i write and nothing happend
[08:36] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: have you tried reinstalling?
[08:36] <wolferine> Trubadurix, thats the only issue?
[08:37] <weswh-> what's the kernel version of Feisty?
[08:37] <Trubadurix> no many applications coulnt open but i cant see out put becues konsol dont work
[08:37] <The> May i ask whats the main difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[08:37] <Trubadurix> then i reinstalled and now  aproblem in boot
[08:38] <Filthpig> The: mainly the desktop environment; Ubuntu uses gnome while Kubuntu uses KDE. And then there are some apps.
[08:38] <corey> does anyone here have experience installing quake 3 with the quake3-data package and the disk?
[08:38] <Trubadurix> and every time i restart system i have cut the power becues it stuck on half way or something
[08:38] <The> i was trying out Ubuntu and i love it but i have been around Windows computers and my understanding is that Kubuntu is a little more windows friendly
[08:39] <The> atleast to the people that are used to it
[08:39] <Trubadurix> wolferine: is it better if install ubuntu and then kde via synaptic?
[08:39] <nighthawk71> I am running Kubuntu 7.04.  I am having a problem with KMail.  when I try to print an html email with a multiple page table in it it does not print right
[08:39] <wolferine> Trubadurix, i am sure you can work with what you have
[08:40] <Trubadurix> ok i'll try
[08:40] <WillLuongo> The: In my experience, both are equally friendly or unfriendly (depending on your perspective)
[08:40] <Filthpig> Trubadurix: what are your computer specs?
[08:40] <nighthawk71> Trubadurix.  if you want to run kubuntu 7.04, you should probably install that ranther than just installing kde over ubuntu
[08:40] <Trubadurix> specs = hardware ??????????
[08:40] <WillLuongo> The: I like KDE better myself.
[08:40] <Trubadurix> i have the kubuntu 7.04 cd
[08:40] <The> i like Ubuntu but i want to make sure i know which one i want more
[08:41] <The> which is going to be easier for my to transition to thats all
[08:41] <The> (sorry about the spelling)
[08:41] <WillLuongo> The: You might want to just try a live disk of kubuntu then, and play around a bit
[08:42] <Trubadurix> ok here's the question:  install kubuntu   or   install ubuntu and then install kde over    ?
[08:42] <nighthawk71> install kubuntu
[08:42] <WillLuongo> Trubadurix: Go with Kubuntu
[08:42] <Trubadurix> ok
[08:42] <haffi_> If I have Kubuntu 6.10 with nvidia drivers and beryl, should the update to 7.04 give me any problems?
[08:42] <nighthawk71> I tried installing ubuntu server, then kde over it
[08:42] <nighthawk71> it did not work very well
[08:42] <weswh-> does anyone know what the default kernel for the desktop system is?
[08:42] <Trubadurix> thanx
[08:42] <nighthawk71> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:42] <Trubadurix> 2.6.20 ?
[08:43] <WillLuongo> haffi_: I didn't have beryl, but my upgrade with nvidia drivers was relatively painless
[08:43] <haffi_> ok
[08:43] <haffi_> hopefully the update won't break the X server or something
[08:43] <weswh-> thanks
[08:43] <nighthawk71> I am running Kubuntu 7.04.  I am having a problem with KMail.  when I try to print an html email with a multiple page table in it it does not print right
[08:44] <nighthawk71> any ideas?
[08:44] <weswh-> trying to figure out if it will play nice with an SATA hard drive (Asus A7N8x mobo, nforce2 chipset...not certain of the SATA chipset)
[08:44] <nighthawk71> I am running kubuntu 7.04 on intel 945P chipset motherboard with sata 160gb wd hard drive
[08:45] <intelikey> what are the cron tests again ?    * * * * *   is ?
[08:45] <Alarm> when putting a dvd in my drive and later unmounting it , i see like 10 processes kio_file where each of them takes 6-7mb of ram. and even if the dvd/cd is unmounted the processes dont stop . how can i stop that annoying thing ?
[08:46] <intelikey> no man pages    but i'll look on tldp.org
[08:47] <The> Can anyone reccomend a quicker way of downloading the Iso of Kubuntu besides directly from the website?
[08:47] <Alarm> The,  ftp mirrors ?
[08:47] <Alarm> torrents ?
[08:48] <Alarm> though http and ftp is the best and fastest way
[08:48] <wolferine> The, torrents, help the cause :)
[08:48] <The> i just cant have access to the website for the entire period of 7 hrs
[08:48] <csingley> hey people.  i have updated from 6.06 "dapper drake" to 6.10 "edgy eft" via dist-upgrade.  it worked surprisingly smoothly, except i can't upgrade to kernel 2.6.17.  error message is:
[08:48] <csingley> "
[08:48] <csingley> Setting up linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>-11.37) ...
[08:48] <csingley> Running depmod.
[08:48] <csingley> Finding valid ramdisk creators.
[08:48] <csingley> Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version
[08:48] <csingley> 2.6.17-11-generic on running kernel 2.6.15-27-686 in /usr/sbin/mkinitramf
[08:48] <Alarm> The,  there are download managers with pause on them
[08:48] <csingley> has anybody seen this?
[08:49] <wolferine> csingley, if you can, we can
[08:49] <nico_> i found out what to put in the .sh file to start glx
[08:49] <The> Alright will try it by torrent
[08:49] <nico_> but now i have to find out what to put in the file instead of starting gnome-desktop
[08:49] <The> anyone know of a good torrent search engine?
[08:49] <jager> btjunkie.com
[08:49] <csingley> thanks wolferine.  i mean, has anybody encountered this error, or have any suggestions for overcoming it?
[08:50] <nico_> oh that was supposed to be in ubuntu-effects
[08:51] <csingley> i was a bit surprised to find incompatibilites between mkinitramfs and any of the kernels
[08:51] <wolferine> csingley, if your going to post more than a line or two of text, you might consider pastebin
[08:51] <wolferine> rather than flooding the channel...
[08:51] <wolferine> !pastebin | csingley
[08:51] <ubotu> csingley: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:52] <csingley> apologies, and thanks.
[08:52] <csingley> is this a reasonable forum for asking this question?
[08:53] <wolferine> yes
[08:53] <wolferine> im just busy atm, so give me a bit, I can probably help
[08:53] <wolferine> MSN :)
[08:53] <haffi_> The upgrade wizard says that /boot doesn't have enough space... should I delete any old kernels or something?
[08:55] <csingley> wolferine, thanks.  here's a paste to apt-get debug output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17671/
[08:55] <wolferine> csingley, can I ask, why not update to Feisty?
[08:56] <ferox> hi
[08:57] <ferox> i have kubuntu dapper
[08:57] <ferox> i would like tu upgrade to feisty
[08:57] <ferox> i founded an how-to for ubuntu
[08:57] <wolferine> ferox, should be an update in your upgrade manager
[08:59] <csingley> wolferine, i suppose i could update to feisty.  i probably will.  i'm just a raging incrementalist, and wanted to check out edgy first
[08:59] <wolferine> hehe
[08:59] <csingley> i'm still kind of kicking the tires on this dodgy 2.6 kernel...
[09:00] <ferox> wolferine: dist-upgrade doesn't work
[09:00] <wolferine> ferox, why is that, any errors?
[09:00] <haffi_> is it safe to delete older initrd images and vmlinuz kernel files from the /boot partition?
[09:01] <stdin> haffi_: yeah.
[09:01] <vbgunz> I had a horrible time upgrading to Feisty. maybe thats an overstatement but the upgrade did not want to work for me. incredibly I only needed to uninstall ipython and the upgrade then worked smoothly. then, even more incredible is, the upgrade is the best so far in overall performance.. just wow in speed all around :)
[09:01] <stdin> haffi_: but it's easier to just uninstall the packages
[09:01] <Mulo> hi
[09:01] <ferox> wolferine: no errors, but it doesn't propose any upgrade
[09:01] <haffi_> ok, how would I do thah?
[09:01] <wolferine> ferox, in the update manager?
[09:02] <ferox> shuold i add any repository for upgrade to edgy?
[09:02] <ubuntu_> I'm having problems installing Kubuntu 7.04.. When I alter partition table manually it says that I need a root partition.. What do I do?
[09:02] <stdin> haffi_: open adept and remove the "linux-image-(VERSION)" package you don't want
[09:02] <wolferine> csingley, try this site --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=206992&page=15
[09:02] <ferox> wolferine: ferox@fer-B-ox:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:02] <haffi_> ok, thanks
[09:03] <wolferine> ferox, you want to upgrade to Feisty correct?
[09:03] <ferox> wolferine: yes but first i think i should upgrade to edgy
[09:04] <wolferine> ferox, why?
[09:04] <ferox> wolferine: i don't know :)
[09:04] <wolferine> ferox, using KDE or Gnome?
[09:04] <wolferine> are you using*
[09:04] <ferox> wolferine: and so what shall i doto upgrade to feisty?
[09:04] <ferox> kde
[09:05] <wolferine> do you see the update manager ferox
[09:05] <ferox> adept....
[09:05] <wolferine> im on Gnome, so I am not positive
[09:05] <wolferine> but its called an update manager
[09:06] <fdoving> ferox: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:06] <wolferine> thanks fdoving
[09:07] <ferox> i take a look
[09:07] <fdoving> ferox: if you're currently runing 6.06 (dapper) you need to first upgrade to 6.10 (edgy), then to 7.04 (feisty).
[09:07] <fdoving> jumping versions is not supported.
[09:08] <wolferine> ah you do, do you fdoving
[09:08] <wolferine> thanks for the info
[09:08] <ferox> fdoving: ok
[09:08] <csingley> wolferine:  thanks, i saw that website already.  i didn't find it very helpful.  the only concrete suggestion i found was to try recompiling the kernel without ACPI
[09:09] <csingley> i'd like to have more assurance that this is the problem before getting back into that sort of thing
[09:09] <csingley> it seems unlikely that any kernel would be incompatible with mkinitramfs...
[09:09] <piway> !fr
[09:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:09] <oliver> hello
[09:09] <Kubuntu> I'm using the nv driver and is having major troubles in games and Google earth, whay is wrong?
[09:10] <fdoving> Kubuntu: you want to checkout the fglrx driver.
[09:10] <oliver> I will sit back and help where I can
[09:10] <fdoving> !ati | kubuntu
[09:10] <ubotu> kubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:10] <wolferine> csingley, im thinking the more advanced ppl can help you than i
[09:11] <csingley> well thanks anyway wolverine; all help is much appreciated.
[09:11] <oliver> csingly: what was your problem
[09:11] <Kubuntu> I have a NVIDA GeForce fx 5500 card, should I still use fglrx?
[09:12] <csingley> oliver, i did a 'dist-upgrade' from dapper to edgy.  everything worked great, except the kernel image itself.  here's a paste of apt-get debug output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17671/
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Kubuntu: no
[09:12] <Kubuntu> nd I don't have a fglrx driver
[09:13] <MajorApus> anyone know whow to edit the asound.conf to let both of my soundcards be used simultaneously for all sound output
[09:13] <Kubuntu> The ubuntu guide refers to programs I don't have.
[09:15] <Deeply> Hello?
[09:15] <Deeply> I'm running off the ubuntu cd, exploring this new to me OS
[09:15] <haffi_> the upgrade wizard still complains that I need 18 mbs of free space on /boot, but df -h says that I have 23 mbs free
[09:15] <Kubuntu> The ubuntu guide refers to programs I don't have. How can I then get the NVida geforce fx 5500 driver??
[09:16] <oliver> csingley: I had problems updates to edgy to feisty I had a similer problem I just install the whole OS from scratch