[18:02] <minist3r> hello
[18:03] <minist3r> did anyone update ubuntu focal arm last week and break drivers and os run super sluggish?
[18:03] <minist3r> i'm on rockpro64


[16:03] <dsmythies> Hi launchpad people. I have an issue. 14 hours ago I pushed revisions to the Ubuntu Officical documentation that ends up on help.ubuntu.com. I never got an e-mail (the team normally does), and I still am unable to open http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com/revision/176 . Note that I have done large revisions before, but I do not think ever one this big. The page I end up on says if the problem persists
[16:12] <dobey> dsmythies: looks like it is timing out. do you get an OOPS-ID in the page? if so, you can file a bug and include that OOPS-ID value in the report.
[16:13] <cjwatson> is it important that it be viewable in the web UI?
[16:13] <cjwatson> it seems to at least have been scanned by Launchpad itself, so you should be able to branch it normally etc.
[16:16] <dsmythies> There is no OOPs-ID. The page start with "Uh Oh" and says there is a "Technically, the load balancer took too long to connect to an application server."
[16:16] <dsmythies> If it worked, and completed properly, then I should have got an e-mail and this morning help.ubuntu.com should have been updated. Neither occured.
[16:17] <cjwatson> it's not clear that codebrowse problems are related to that though
[16:17] <cjwatson> looking into logs
[16:20] <dsmythies> cjwatson: I recall you saying one time that you were heading over to launchpad (I don't recall the context of the exchange).
[16:21] <cjwatson> indeed
[16:23] <cjwatson> this isn't an area I know well yet, though
[16:24] <cjwatson> do you know how the help.ubuntu.com update is triggered?
[16:24] <dobey> well, if the branch history is significantly large as a result of the changes in the commit, it can cause issues with pulling the branch as well (i've had issues pulling very large branches before)
[16:24] <cjwatson> the REVISIONS_ADDED_MAIL job for this branch OOPSed
[16:24] <cjwatson> so that explains the lack of mail
[16:25] <cjwatson> OOPS-a063e5292d781f083e06db3c2cf8c7df but it's not on oops.c.c
[16:25] <dsmythies> Correction: I think help.ubunut.com actually did update.
[16:25] <dsmythies> ... still checking.
[16:26] <dsmythies> Yes, help.ubuntu.com did update.
[16:26] <cjwatson> That makes sense.  So you just didn't get mail because the job oopsed, probably because it tried to get the revision history and timed out.
[16:26] <cjwatson> Or similar.
[16:28] <dsmythies> O.K. so it seems I'll never be able to open the revision page because it is too huge. the e-mail also failed for the same reason. But the update itself is O.K.
[16:29] <cjwatson> I think so.  Bazaar has some scaling limitations ...
[16:30] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I made a mistake in my e-mail, it did update, I was looking for relative addresses, which of course on the real help.ubuntu.com are the same as the old absolute address. Duh.
[16:30] <dsmythies> Thanks all.
[16:33] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I just started "bzr pull". Let's see what happens.
[16:34] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: It is big.
[16:34] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I know. :)
[16:38] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Can we move to #ubuntu-doc?
[16:41] <dsmythies> cjwatson: Imissed your "how the help.ubuntu.com update is triggered?" earlier: All I know is that if the push is done by about 2 to 3 hours ago (5 to 7 A.M. my time) it will get picked up and hlep.ubuntu.com will be updated. I believe the pickup is once every 24 (ish) hours.
[16:41] <cjwatson> dsmythies: It's probably just a cron job, then.
[16:41] <dsmythies> I would assume, yes.
[16:42] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I will join #ubuntu-doc
[16:56] <dsmythies> dobey: Re: "large commit can cause issues with pulling the branch as well": GunnarHj's pull was O.K.
[17:06] <dobey> dsmythies: sure, i was just pointing out that branches can become too large for bzr to be able to check out on some machines.
[17:09] <GunnarHj> dobey, dsmythies: Actually I got the message ""Connection Timeout: disconnecting client after 300.0 seconds", but it still continued and finalized successfully.
[20:39] <sergio-br22> I'm having problem with gcc 4.8,  gcc-4.8: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fstack-protector-strong’
[20:39] <sergio-br22> any idea?
[20:40] <cjwatson> yes, gcc-4.8 didn't have that option, so don't use it with it.
[20:40] <sergio-br22> ubuntu 14.10
[20:40] <cjwatson> if you're explicitly using gcc-4.8 for some reason in a build, you may need to override the default hardening flags emitted by dpkg-buildflags
[20:40] <sergio-br22> hum, any tip to override them?
[20:41] <sergio-br22> dpkg-buildflags=xxxxx, something like this?
[20:41] <cjwatson> see dpkg-buildflags(1)
[20:41] <darkxst> hmm, how did some of my launchpad (api) cache get owned by root?
[20:41] <cjwatson> simplest way is probably, in debian/rules: export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS := hardening=-stackprotectorstrong
[20:42] <sergio-br22> hum, let me see
[20:43] <sergio-br22> great, it works
[21:37] <mark06> is there a bug to track deleted ppas being listed in profile? e.g. https://launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+related-packages
[21:44] <dobey> mark06: how many PPAs do you see there?
[21:46] <mark06> 6, you? http://i.imgur.com/ZpbHPUM.png
[21:50] <dobey> 1
[21:50] <dobey> deleted PPAs are visible to the owner in case they wish to restore, i guess
[21:51]  * mark06 hates artificial deletion
[21:53] <mark06> I see no restore option
[21:53] <mark06> sounds like a bug
[21:55] <mark06> restoring not mentioned in docs either https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA?action=show&redirect=PPA#Deleting_a_PPA
[21:55] <mark06> anyone knows an existing bug to handle this?
[21:56] <dobey> if you want to file a bug, just file one
[21:56] <dobey> lp developers are all gone for the weekend
[22:11]  * mark06 filed bug 1421853
[22:12] <belak> This may be random, but I was looking at this: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/218551
[22:12] <belak> What does launchpad actually send, header wise?


[05:33] <Kilos> morning all
[06:35] <Kilos> yo inetpro , when you have time, no rush, can you just explain in laymans terms what was the reason ian was banned. is it because he was trying to connect to irc through a proxy server and freenode dont accept that?
[06:36] <Kilos> i been thinking maybe he had tried to connect at work and their server is a proxy server maybe?
[06:38] <Kilos> or maybe a work router that was setup like that
[06:46] <magespawn> good morning
[06:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:49] <Kilos> you gonna mail the list about tonight or you want me to do it?
[06:49] <magespawn> are you on the dlug list too?
[06:50] <Kilos> yeah well im getting mail from william
[06:50] <Kilos> looking for pc stuff
[06:50] <Kilos> and warwick
[06:50] <magespawn> i think if we let both lists know that will be best
[06:51] <magespawn> so i will do the dlug if you can do ubuntu-za
[06:51] <Kilos> yeah i just dunno what is their actual addy and dont wanna steal a working thread thing
[06:51] <Kilos> oh yay
[06:51] <Kilos> ya thats good
[06:52] <Kilos> we just gotta decide what tonight is actually about
[06:52] <Kilos> yo thundermage
[06:52] <Kilos> i had to go turn mine off
[06:53] <thundermage> that might be a good idea
[06:53] <Kilos> every time i opened thunderbird it was here
[06:53] <thundermage> yup there must be a setting somewhere to start on login or something
[06:53] <Kilos> like methinks maybe tonight will be about planning the classes not so?
[06:54] <Kilos> on the right a tiny block to stop aotu join
[06:54] <Kilos> needed mag glass to see it
[06:54] <Kilos> autojoin
[06:55] <Kilos> did you read what i asked the pro magespawn ?
[06:56] <magespawn> i saw it thanks, yes tonight is a start and the layout that we can follow. LPIC recommended study time is 40 hours
[06:56] <magespawn> i did Kilos
[06:56] <nocware> Morning everyone
[06:56] <magespawn> i think freenode does not accept proxy servers
[06:56] <Kilos> hi nocware
[06:56] <magespawn> ho nocware
[06:56] <Kilos> what is the proxy server
[06:56] <Kilos> like where is it
[06:57] <Kilos> is it maybe their work server
[06:57] <Kilos> so not his pc at all that caused the ban
[06:57] <nocware> It's just weird...i booted in live and now the disk has other options...seems fine.
[06:58] <Kilos> lol
[06:59] <Kilos> ive had lotsa probs nocware and that sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1 from another drive or cd has fixed it everytime
[06:59] <Kilos> even fixes crashed externals
[06:59] <nocware> Kilos, just showed file not found on booting.
[07:00] <Kilos> then the normal sudo touch /forcefsck should sort that on next boot too
[07:01] <magespawn> Kilos: a proxy can be anywhere but it essential in between his pc and freenode hiding who he is from freenode
[07:01] <magespawn> gotta go out brb
[07:01] <Kilos> ya maybe it was when he tried to get in with pc connected to work net con
[07:01] <Kilos> go well
[07:04] <Trixar_za> The problem isn't really that he's using a proxy, it's that he's using an open proxy used by bots
[07:05] <Kilos> yeah but he dunno where the thing could be
[07:05] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za not_found
[07:05] <not_found> thanks for the b-day wish uncle Kilos :D
[07:05] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[07:05] <Kilos> sorry we were late not_found
[07:05] <Trixar_za> It's not_found's birthday?
[07:05] <Kilos> yesterday or day before
[07:07] <Trixar_za> This Miley Cyrus thing just makes me laugh. She wants to prove she's not a kid anymore, so what does it do?  He blames MTV for making her do that.
[07:10] <inetpro> bad peeps out there actually exploit open proxies to fake their location
[07:11] <not_found> I blame violent video games
[07:11] <Kilos> so its his pc not the work server that could have caused the ban
[07:11] <Trixar_za> not_found: lol. Reminds me of Harvest or Harvester
[07:12] <Trixar_za> It was a violent video game created just to piss off the "moral guardians" that said video games are murder simulators
[07:12] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't know his setup and how he connects, too much detail that is missing
[07:12] <Kilos> i didnt think last night, i coulda joined #freenode and asked the admin guys to unban him
[07:13] <Kilos> he used to connect  at work on their adsl
[07:13] <Kilos> yo drussell
[07:14] <Kilos> at night now he is using 3g like us
[07:14] <Kilos> but he has been banned for months i think
[07:15] <drussell> Kilos: hey!
[07:15] <Kilos> you yankyfied peeps with your hey
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe
[07:15] <Kilos> too much tv
[07:16] <Kilos> anyway nocware im glad that its working
[07:17] <Kilos> dont companies hide behind proxy servers to try keep secure
[07:18] <Kilos> aw i forgot sheep with all the proxy stuff
[07:18] <Kilos> wbb
[07:35] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:37] <inetpro> Kilos: you could probably say that companies hide behind proxies but the fact is that they take responsibility for what happens inside
[07:37] <inetpro> fact is that if someone inside messes up the company as a whole gets blacklisted
[07:38] <Kilos> ok. im just looking for where that proxy could be.
[07:38] <Kilos> he would be the only one there that comes on irc
[07:38] <Kilos> trying to localise the prob thing
[07:39] <Kilos> what a business
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:50] <Kilos> oh inetpro but he was on an open proxy you say, so, we just gotta work out if that was his pc or somewhere else
[07:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:51] <Vince-0> haai
[07:55] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:57] <magespawn> hello
[07:57] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[07:58] <Kilos> dunno if i over did the list mail
[07:58] <Kilos> Vince-0, first class tonight
[08:00] <Vince-0> yaa?
[08:12] <superfly> morning Kilos
[08:14] <Kilos> is it these settings in the router that causes pc to disconnect from the net
[08:15] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21ngmIjQs
[08:15] <Kilos> there where they talk about lease time
[08:16] <Kilos> do i just delete anytime setting to make it stay online or must a enter many mins
[08:16] <Kilos> hehe
[08:20] <Kilos> oh seconds
[08:20] <Kilos> eeek
[08:21] <magespawn> Kilos that is the DHCP lease settings for the computers on your internal network
[08:22] <Kilos> ya but isnt that what disconnects me while modem still shows connected
[08:23] <magespawn> no that is just the amount of time between renewal of the DHCP lease
[08:24] <Kilos> maybe i gotta use the fixed hosy thing but i dont see my mac addy on this pc
[08:24] <Kilos> oh my
[08:24] <Kilos> my head gonna explode with all these things
[08:26] <magespawn> fixed host just mean that the pc will get the same ip address from the router everytime
[08:26] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[08:31] <charl> good morning all
[08:31] <charl> hi Kilos, magespawn, superfly, Vince-0
[08:31] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:31] <Kilos> classes tonight
[08:35] <magespawn> hi charl
[08:38] <drussell> Kilos: lol, you started with "yo" that's way more yankified! ;o)
[08:38] <drussell> Kilos: how's things?
[08:38] <Kilos> hahaha well said drussell
[08:38] <Kilos> good ty and you
[08:39] <drussell> Kilos: really good thanks
[08:39] <Kilos> you gonna join our study group tonight drussell ?
[08:39] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[08:39] <Kilos> maybe you can teach too
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, spell teach
[08:40] <Maaz> Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right
[08:40] <Kilos> yay
[08:40] <drussell> Kilos: hehe, I don't know that I'll be up to much this evening, I'm finally travelling home after being away all week in Germany
[08:40] <drussell> Kilos: so will probably collapse in a heap :o)
[08:41] <Kilos> np davey
[08:41] <Kilos> next week no excuses
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously that open proxy was running on the machine where he ran that netstat command from last night, I guess that is his machine
[08:47] <Kilos> oh my
[08:47] <Kilos> he has never run that command before methinks
[08:48] <inetpro> what command?
[08:48] <Kilos> netstat
[08:48] <Kilos> he dunno that
[08:48] <Kilos> oh oh sorry
[08:48] <inetpro> netstat is just used to find the open ports
[08:49] <Kilos> do you not think the ban was from before
[08:49] <inetpro> and to find the application/service
[08:49] <Kilos> he used to come here with it while still on win now its kde
[08:49] <Kilos> i think the ban is months old
[08:49] <Squirm> hello
[08:49] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously he was running havp on there
[08:50] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:50] <inetpro> on port 8080
[08:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:50] <inetpro> so freenode won't lie to you
[08:50] <inetpro> they can detect it
[08:51] <Kilos> well i got him to remove havp and samba and other stuff
[08:51] <Kilos> so will see if he comes online tonight on pidgin if freenode unbanned him
[08:51] <inetpro> the sad part is that there seems to be a lack of firewall protection on top of everything else
[08:51] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[08:52] <Cantide> hi '-'
[08:52] <inetpro> but that is why I say security starts at home
[08:52] <Kilos> ill get him to install gufw
[08:52] <inetpro> even without a firewall you should have a secure setup on each and every local machine
[08:52] <Kilos> write me a book
[08:53] <inetpro> haha
[08:53] <Kilos> secure setup on ubuntu
[08:53] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <inetpro> ubuntu is relatively ok by default
[08:53] <Kilos> see his head is full of his work stuff and sorting win machines to work on the biometrics stuff
[08:53] <inetpro> the problem is between the chair and the keyboard
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <inetpro> if you don't know what you're doing you can be dangerous
[08:54] <Kilos> you think havp opened the port 8080
[08:54] <inetpro> yes
[08:54] <Kilos> great
[08:55] <Kilos> grate
[08:55] <inetpro> if it was windows that machine would be owned by hackers now
[08:55] <Kilos> eish
[08:55] <Kilos> on win he uses zonealarm and virii stuff
[08:56] <Kilos> dunno why he had havp installed
[08:56] <Kilos> he dunno either
[08:56] <not_found> selinux - cause it is good enough for the NSA :p
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: it sure didn't install itself
[08:58] <not_found> oh, install app A and it will sometimes install app B and some other goodies for you...
[08:58] <Kilos> maybe he was playing in muon but he is always half asleep with that lung prob
[08:58] <not_found> oh this is in linux, not windows, never mind
[08:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Kilos> 12.04 kde
[08:58] <Kilos> freenode banned him
[08:58] <Kilos> hehe
[08:59] <Cantide> lol
[08:59] <not_found> IP address ban?
[08:59] <Kilos> something about open port 8080
[08:59] <not_found> ah sounds familiar...
[08:59] <not_found> heard something about this some time ago... but mind a blank now :;/
[09:05] <Kilos> you coming to class tonight not_found ?
[09:09] <not_found> class?
[09:10]  * not_found is working day 8 of a possible 14 in a row so he is going home to eat and sleep
[09:10] <Kilos> lpi class on #linux_studies
[09:10] <Kilos> every friday evening
[09:10] <not_found> so the class is back on LPI now...
[09:10] <Kilos> yeah
[09:10] <not_found> nice
[09:10] <not_found> time?
[09:10] <Kilos> then python after
[09:11] <not_found> or wiki link :p
[09:11] <Kilos> http://linux-studies.za.net/wiki/Main_Page
[09:11] <Kilos> dunno if magespawn updated it yet
[09:12] <magespawn> not yet
[09:13] <magespawn> http://www.coverity.com/company/press-releases/read/coverity-finds-python-sets-new-level-of-quality-for-open-source-software from morgs on twitter
[09:15] <Kilos> someone needs to tweet him and remind him there is such a thing as irc too
[09:15] <Kilos> Maaz, seen morgs
[09:15] <Maaz> Kilos: morgs was last seen 3 months, 18 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-14 10:00:39 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-05-15 09:29:24 SAST
[09:17] <Kilos> magespawn, the router is the gateway here hey so whats the ping gateway there for
[09:17] <Kilos> mustnt pc ping the gateway?
[09:18] <Kilos> all this stuff is driving me nuts
[09:19] <magespawn> if you ping your gateway from your pc then it will ping the router
[09:19] <magespawn> if you ping the gateway from the router then it should ping the service providers gateway
[09:20] <Kilos> ah
[09:20] <Kilos> ty
[09:21] <magespawn> some more info on havp http://www.server-side.de/
[09:22] <Kilos> maybe ian thought it would stop virii at the time
[09:23] <Kilos> dangerous playing in muon and synaptic
[09:23] <Kilos> the write ups dont explain everything
[09:24] <Kilos> massive wind come up so methinks cold on its way soon
[09:25] <magespawn> still very warm here
[09:26] <magespawn> might be a good idea for work network, stop the virus before it get into your network
[09:26] <Kilos> then you will be banned from here
[09:27] <Kilos> ai!
[09:27] <Kilos> leave it alone just put antiv in win machines
[09:28] <magespawn> ineptro said that freenode objected to the open part of the proxy not the use of a proxy
[09:28] <Kilos> ya and caused by havp
[09:28] <Kilos> oh
[09:30] <magespawn> you would need to set up havp so that the proxy is closed and not an open relay
[09:31] <magespawn> not really important for ian though
[10:00] <not_found> so what time is the fun and games for LPI tonight... anyone have an idea?
[10:31] <magespawn> 20:00 not_found
[10:50] <magespawn> superfly kbmonkey i do still have a sign for the linux studies wiki, but i cannot seem to add an event to the google calender
[10:58] <magespawn> sorry sent that twice
[11:13] <not_found> :/ 22:00 pm here is just to late for me... oh well, hope you guys have a good turn out :)
[11:19] <magespawn> not_found: this is just for the live irc stuff you can stil join the wiki and i think there is a mailing list too and the time is variable
[11:37] <magespawn> bbl
[12:13] <Kilos> sigh
[12:13] <Kilos> power got blown away with the big wind
[12:14] <not_found> must have been very big
[12:14] <not_found> thanks magespawn
[12:14] <Kilos> blowing heavy here
[12:19] <Kilos-> pc decided it enjoyed being off so keeps rebooting
[12:19] <Kilos-> grrr
[12:45] <theblazehen> hi all
[12:45] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[12:46] <Kilos> class tonight hey
[12:46] <Kilos> you gotta learn hard and pass the lpi exam
[12:46] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[12:46] <Kilos> we need rich peeps here
[12:46] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[12:46] <theblazehen> When do the exams start?
[12:47] <Kilos> sweaty?
[12:47] <Cantide> hello :)
[12:47] <Cantide> a little
[12:47] <Cantide> didn't sweat much in the rain :p
[12:47] <Kilos> that you arange with some place to write them
[12:47] <Kilos> i dont think they are fixed time things
[12:47] <theblazehen> ah ok
[12:48] <theblazehen> hopefully done with science expo code today
[12:48] <Kilos> good
[12:48] <Kilos> work dont chat
[12:48] <theblazehen> Yeah, almost done. Just waiting for script to finish, then see if it works
[12:49] <theblazehen> Then upload to a VPS
[12:50] <theblazehen> I *think* it's working. Giving expected CPU usage at least
[12:50] <charl> hi people, you doing the linux studies thing tonight?
[12:50] <theblazehen> yeah charl
[12:50] <charl> cool, if i can i'll help
[12:50] <Kilos> well duh
[12:51] <Kilos> im gonna lurk there till lpi finished
[12:51] <theblazehen> Working :P
[12:51] <charl> oh you're going to be doing lpi? i thought you're doing python
[12:51] <theblazehen> At least the first part of script
[12:51] <Kilos> the boss okes said we need proper basic knowledge first
[12:52] <theblazehen> ah o
[12:52] <theblazehen> k
[12:52] <theblazehen> Yes! It works!!!1!!1!
[12:52] <charl> ok cool
[12:52] <Kilos> good
[12:53] <charl> i have used linux for so many years i have no idea what i do or don't know
[12:53] <charl> about 13 years now, started with linux back in 2000
[12:53] <Kilos> lol then learn with us and teach what you do know
[12:53] <charl> started with the original suse before novell bought them
[12:54] <theblazehen> ooh nice charl, did you know suse is sponsoring boerewors rolls at SFD?
[12:54] <charl> lol interesting
[12:56] <magespawn> afternoon
[12:56] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:56] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[12:57] <charl> from the wikipage page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE
[12:57] <charl> Novell was in turn acquired by The Attachmate Group on 27 April 2011.[5] Under its new owner, SUSE remained a separate company.[6] By June 2012, many former SUSE engineers who had been laid off during Novell's ownership had been brought back.[1]
[12:57] <charl> seems like they are still primarily based in germany
[12:58] <theblazehen> I can't believe ALL my code works! (I think)
[12:58] <magespawn> they say the wheel turns
[12:58] <Kilos> no fair magespawn you got one answer to your mail already
[12:58] <Kilos> our list is a bunch of email addicts
[12:59] <magespawn> paste it theblazehen and we can test it too if you want
[13:00] <theblazehen> magespawn, lemme clean it up, then I'll put it on my githuib
[13:00] <magespawn> cool beans
[13:01] <magespawn> Kilos which list?
[13:01] <Kilos> lug answered
[13:01] <Kilos> lekker getting lug mail here as well
[13:02] <Kilos> oh i wanted to ask, what is a lab like william is starting up
[13:03] <Kilos> a lab is a place where you mix chemicals and blow the windows out
[13:03] <not_found> only if you are doing it wrong
[13:04] <Kilos> no man right
[13:04] <Kilos> if you do it wrong theres no reaction
[13:04] <theblazehen> Lol, true Kilos
[13:04] <not_found> :)
[13:05]  * not_found has worked in a lab before... it wasn't very exciting...
[13:05] <magespawn> a computer lab = computer classroom = computer centre
[13:06] <magespawn> a community one by the looks of it
[13:08] <theblazehen> I broke my css :(
[13:08] <Kilos> so what kinda pcs stuff is william looking for
[13:08] <Kilos> all modern stuff
[13:12] <Kilos> hi space_
[13:12] <magespawn> Kilos:  i think they will use anything they can get
[13:13] <Kilos> even p3 size stuffs
[13:13] <Kilos> sup nocware
[13:14] <theblazehen> Kilos, I have really old hardware. How old is p3?
[13:14] <theblazehen> Like 600MHz single core, 256MB ram kinda stuff
[13:14] <Kilos> oh my
[13:14] <Kilos> 450m cpu
[13:14] <theblazehen> Single core?
[13:14] <Kilos> ya
[13:14] <not_found> obviously
[13:14] <not_found> :p
[13:14] <theblazehen> Might donate then
[13:14] <theblazehen> where?
[13:15] <Kilos> durban
[13:15] <Cantide> i have PC scraps in Durban
[13:15] <theblazehen> ah ok, too much of a drive then :/
[13:15] <Cantide> some stuff works, some doesn't, all mixed up
[13:15] <Kilos> what scraps charl
[13:15] <not_found> there comes a time when the cost of running the hardware (electricity) isn't worth it on older hardware :/
[13:15] <Kilos> me first
[13:16] <Cantide> old m/bs, CPUs, lots of dead DDR2
[13:16] <Kilos> ai1 Cantide
[13:16] <theblazehen> Cantide, How much ddr2?
[13:16] <Cantide> idk
[13:16] <Cantide> i have a few modules that are 1GB, iirc
[13:16] <theblazehen> ah ok, my pc is ddr2
[13:16] <Cantide> but they don't work, or are faulty
[13:16] <theblazehen> oh ok
[13:17] <theblazehen> but I have 3GB ram, so enough for now
[13:17] <Kilos> ddr2 is latish
[13:17] <Cantide> one or two *might* work, but i have nothing to test on, and they've been lying in a cupboard for years
[13:17] <Kilos> mine still sdr
[13:17] <theblazehen> Saving up for like 64GB
[13:17] <Cantide> o_O
[13:17] <Cantide> o_O to both Kilos and theblazehen
[13:17] <theblazehen> lol Cantide
[13:17] <theblazehen> Wanna run a large, fast DB
[13:17] <Cantide> i'll need to throw all this old hardware out in the next 4 weeks or so
[13:17] <Cantide> it will go to charity or scavengers
[13:17] <Kilos> Cantide, you know where too
[13:17] <Cantide> to PTA?
[13:18] <Cantide> if i can get it there >.<
[13:18] <Kilos> ya inna bow with post office
[13:18] <Kilos> ill pay postage
[13:18] <Kilos> bow/box
[13:18] <Kilos> especially scrap drives
[13:18] <Cantide> then i'd strip it all down and throw out the cases and things
[13:18] <Kilos> i need spares
[13:18] <Cantide> ah
[13:19] <theblazehen> Cantide, how big are drives?
[13:19] <theblazehen> Currently using a 40 GB
[13:19] <Cantide> there is an 80 GB
[13:19] <Cantide> at my feet
[13:19] <Cantide> i had windows on it
[13:19] <Cantide> but the last time i tried it, it didn't boot
[13:20] <theblazehen> Ah ok, not even read?
[13:20] <Kilos> send
[13:20] <Cantide> other than that, i'll have to look and see what drives are lying around here
[13:20] <Cantide> can't recall
[13:20] <Cantide> i don't play with this stuff much :p I have my working PC, everything else just lies around :D
[13:20] <Kilos> i must appeal on the list as well
[13:20] <Cantide> :p
[13:21] <Kilos> got some drives need lazer goodie others need platters others need control card
[13:21] <Cantide> wow
[13:21] <Cantide> that's serious effort :D
[13:35] <magespawn> Kilos puts a lot of effort into fixing hardware that others have given up on
[13:36] <magespawn> looks like hkis electricity is off again
[13:37] <theblazehen> Done!
[14:05] <magespawn> theblazehen: link?
[14:07] <theblazehen> Trying to fix "500 internal server error" first :/
[14:10] <theblazehen> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/dalt/ should work magespawn
[14:11] <theblazehen> Apparently it wont.... I said SHOULD!
[14:11] <superfly> theblazehen: you can't redirect to localhost
[14:12] <theblazehen> Yeah... I forgot about the redirect, just saw that
[14:13] <superfly> and printing out the line you're trying to execute is a little silly.
[14:13] <superfly> and while we're on that, why are you being stupid? I mean, why are you using PHP?
[14:14] <theblazehen> Lol, what should I use then?
[14:14] <CantiAFK> PHP <3
[14:14] <superfly> Python, duh.
[14:14] <superfly> PHP is the empitome of bad design
[14:14] <theblazehen> how do I do it in a web server?
[14:14] <magespawn> lo;
[14:14] <magespawn> lol
[14:14] <CantiAFK> :D
[14:14] <theblazehen> superfly, agree
[14:14] <superfly> tell me, what does this print out? php -r "if ('one' == 0) { echo('true'); }"
[14:14] <CantiAFK> i agree, too, but i still like it :p
[14:14] <superfly> theblazehen: mod_wsgi on Apache
[14:15] <superfly> Phusion Passenger on nginx
[14:15] <theblazehen> ah ok. Will test that now
[14:16] <theblazehen> root@someguy:~# php -r "if ('one' == 0) { echo('true'); }"
[14:16] <theblazehen> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626/gd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[14:16] <theblazehen> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626/mcrypt.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626/mcrypt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[14:16] <theblazehen> XD
[14:17] <superfly> theblazehen: looks like your PHP has some really bad issues
[14:17] <superfly> theblazehen: what do you *think* that prints out?
[14:18] <theblazehen> nothing
[14:18] <theblazehen> wb Kilos
[14:18] <superfly> theblazehen: no, it prints out true
[14:18] <Kilos> ty power went again
[14:18] <theblazehen> lol
[14:18] <superfly> theblazehen: in PHP, "one" is equal to 0
[14:18] <theblazehen> so, you shouldn't be doing that anyway
[14:18] <superfly> why not? people do it ALL the time in PHP
[14:19] <theblazehen> Oh...
[14:19] <theblazehen> Well I don't
[14:19] <superfly> theblazehen: what about this... (8 == 08)
[14:19] <superfly> is that true or false?
[14:19] <theblazehen> false?
[14:19] <superfly> neither
[14:20] <theblazehen> what?
[14:20] <superfly> 08 will raise an exception or cause an error
[14:20] <theblazehen> wow
[14:20] <superfly> why?
[14:20] <theblazehen> dunno
[14:20] <superfly> because of an unpatched bug in PHP - it has been there for years
[14:20] <superfly> they refuse to fix it
[14:20] <theblazehen> ah
[14:20] <theblazehen> why?
[14:20] <superfly> goodness knows why
[14:20] <superfly> I can't remember
[14:21] <theblazehen> ok
[14:21] <superfly> at that point I had left PHP and was starting to LOVE Python
[14:21] <theblazehen> ah ok
[14:22] <superfly> and it just gave me more reason never to go back to PHP
[14:22] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:26] <charl> what? php? /me pukes on the channel floor
[14:26] <charl> python++
[14:26] <theblazehen> agree charl
[14:27] <charl> filthy disgusting language
[14:27]  * not_found needs to install ssh server on my laptop again so I can check for updates via ssh from work when I am bored
[14:27] <theblazehen> lol yeah not_found
[14:28] <not_found> :)
[14:28] <charl> ??? updates?
[14:28] <not_found> yum update
[14:29] <not_found> >.>
[14:29] <theblazehen> Holy shit, did my code just work? Hang on, I need to check...
[14:29] <charl> you need to run ssh server on your laptop to check for yum updates
[14:29] <charl> ok no idea
[14:29] <not_found> yes, if I plan to log into my laptop which is at my home from work via ssh to run the command for updating the system
[14:30] <theblazehen> It worked, but I never saw the CPU usage where it worked :/
[14:30] <charl> oh, you want to update your laptop sitting at home while you are at work
[14:30] <not_found> yes, because I am bored
[14:30] <not_found> and have nothing else to do
[14:30] <charl> eh ok :)
[14:30] <charl> i do updates while i'm making coffee
[14:31] <not_found> oh... I could actually just sudo yum update ... keep it all Ubuntu like...
[14:31] <Kilos> not_found, yum
[14:31] <not_found> yum
[14:31] <Kilos> redhat centos
[14:31] <not_found> close
[14:31] <Kilos> eek they got more
[14:31] <theblazehen> It really did work!
[14:31] <not_found> oh yes :)
[14:32] <charl> fedora? oracle linux? etc etc
[14:32] <Kilos> actually centos 5.2 dont look too bad
[14:32] <Kilos> with gnome ui
[14:32] <not_found> the one that precedes the mighty red hat... and is a blue hat...
[14:32] <not_found> Gnome 3.8
[14:32] <not_found> presently...
[14:32] <not_found> only thing more bleeding edge is arch... and perhaps ubuntu 13.10 :p
[14:33] <not_found> ah I see charl got it... 50%
[14:33] <not_found> well 100% but only 50% of the answer he gave was correct :)
[14:34] <charl> hold on, fedora didn't precede red hat
[14:34] <charl> fedora branched off from red hat
[14:34] <not_found> not what I mean
[14:34] <not_found> it is the testing stage for what will become red hat
[14:34] <not_found> eventually
[14:34] <charl> oh i see, yes
[14:35] <charl> i was playing with manjaro (arch-based) today
[14:35] <charl> i was quite impressed with how fast it is
[14:35] <charl> also pacman rocks
[14:36] <not_found> yup... should see the fork of pacman that frugalware uses... even faster
[14:36] <theblazehen> charl, also look at archbang
[14:36] <theblazehen> arch with openbox
[14:36] <not_found> but with apt-fast even apt goes like a rocket
[14:37] <charl> manjaro also has an openbox-based version
[14:37] <not_found> and RPM based distro have delta rpm so it doesn't need to be so fast to be fast :p
[14:38] <charl> archbang looks nice
[14:38] <charl> i have an idea that i might move my laptop to arch
[14:39] <charl> i have been getting somewhat disappointed with ubuntu as of late
[14:39] <charl> ubuntu seems to be too focused on getting into the mainstream and has neglected the ideas that open source unix is all about
[14:40] <theblazehen> charl, highly encourage
[14:40] <theblazehen> of course I can only get graphics drivers in arch...
[14:40] <charl> i use intel hd graphics cards both at work and at home
[14:40] <charl> so at least that is not of much concern to me
[14:40] <theblazehen> I use powerVR on netbook
[14:42] <charl> all i really need is arch running x11 + i3, all of what i need should be in the packages
[14:42] <charl> a browser, vlc and a good terminal emulator
[14:42] <charl> those are about the only headless software i use
[14:42] <charl> non-headless i mean
[14:43] <theblazehen> Yeah, you'd like arch
[14:44] <charl> at work it's a little more complicated cause we use vmware quite extensively
[14:44] <charl> vmware needs to modify the kernel
[14:45] <charl> if i go on the bleeding edge it gets dangerous
[14:45] <not_found> home time
[14:45] <Kilos> later not_found
[14:45] <Kilos> miond the camels
[14:45] <charl> ciao not_found
[14:52] <magespawn> later all home for me too
[14:52] <charl> same here bbl
[14:53] <theblazehen> Can't pleieve it works :D
[14:53] <Kilos> k magespawn
[16:39] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:40] <kbmonkey> ah did mage spawn drive home?
[16:40] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[16:40] <Kilos> ya
[16:40] <kbmonkey> i see he asked a question earlier today
[16:41] <kbmonkey> was at work, only got online now
[16:41] <Kilos> what did he ask?
[16:41] <kbmonkey> something with the calendar of adding events...
[16:41] <kbmonkey> we'll ask him when he's back
[16:42] <Kilos> oh ya the time there is gmt and we gmt+2
[16:42] <Kilos> he should be here soon
[16:42] <kbmonkey> ya this was 5 hours ago
[16:48] <Kilos> hi snowy
[16:48] <Snowy> elos
[16:49] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:49] <Snowy> thanks :)
[16:49] <theblazehen> hi Snowy
[16:50] <kbmonkey> ello Snowy and theblazehen
[16:50] <Kilos> Snowy, you a linux user?
[16:59] <Snowy> yeah, prefer debian, but recently switched to ubuntu because unit looks nice :)
[17:00] <Snowy> **unity btw
[17:00] <Cantide> do you like unity?
[17:00] <Cantide> i had to use it for months before i grew to like it :-S
[17:00] <Snowy> well, it's better than gnome 3 :)
[17:01] <Cantide> agreed :)
[17:01] <Cantide> i like it now
[17:01] <Cantide> especially after learning some keyboard shortcuts
[17:02] <Snowy> yup, it's not that bad... i never upgraded, just because gnome 2 was what I liked.  and I know there was a fork, but I liked to stick to what I know
[17:02] <Snowy> and now, unity seems to be doing ok, with the shortcuts that is
[17:02] <Cantide> yeah
[17:02] <Cantide> i was also stubborn at first :p
[17:02] <Cantide> and i also liked gnome 2
[17:03] <Cantide> but, things must progress and change is inevitable :)
[17:03] <Cantide> unity 8 is going to rock :)
[17:03] <Snowy> yeah, waiting to see what the major difference is going to be when it's not using X anymore
[17:04] <Cantide> gotta wait for 14.10 :<
[17:04] <Cantide> so still a year to go
[17:04] <Cantide> haha
[17:05] <Snowy> haha, yeah
[17:05] <Snowy> also looking forward to see what ubuntu can do on the smartphone side... would love to run some of my fav linux apps on my phone :)
[17:06] <kbmonkey> I compiled the latest WINE last night, it took so long I had to leave the pc running while I slept. ha ha
[17:07] <Cantide> lol kbmonkey :)
[17:07] <Cantide> Snowy, yeah, it'll be nice when they're all optimized to make use of Unity's screen-size changing magic
[17:08] <kbmonkey> but it worked.  Coffee please?
[17:22] <Maaz> theblazehen: What?
[17:22] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[17:22] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[17:22] <theblazehen> maaz put a cup on
[17:22] <Maaz> theblazehen: What?
[17:22] <theblazehen> maaz make coffee
[17:22] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[17:23] <theblazehen> maaz put a pot on
[17:23] <Maaz> theblazehen: Huh?
[17:24] <theblazehen> maaz put a pot on
[17:24] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[17:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, where are the rusks?
[17:27] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Erk, dunno
[17:27] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:28] <kbmonkey> *lag
[17:30] <psychicist> hi kbmonkey
[17:30] <psychicist> hi charl
[17:30] <psychicist> wb Cantide
[17:31] <kbmonkey> hello psychicist
[17:50] <charl> hi psychicist
[17:51] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:52] <charl> hi magespawn
[17:52] <magespawn> Hi charl
[17:57] <charl> how's it going
[17:59] <magespawn> Good and you?
[18:00] <charl> good good
[18:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> hellos
[18:07] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy what happened
[18:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i need to virtualise the oldest of old dell boxes we have :-/
[18:08] <Kilos> ouch
[18:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1 week into notice period and they're still expecting me to do work :-o
[18:09] <superfly> bwahahaha
[18:09] <Kilos> oh well peeps try get blood outa stones
[18:09] <superfly> pity they don't do the "leave on resignation day" thing :-/
[18:10] <superfly> they reserve that for the "special" people
[18:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i should've been a bit more special in the days leading up to my resignation :-D
[18:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> its ok, this is one of the last few windows things i need to do for the next 3 weeks before i don't have to deal with it anymore in a professional capacity
[18:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> also one of the last few vmware things i'll be doing
[18:14] <Kilos> something to look forward to
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <theblazehen> night Kilos
[19:40] <theblazehen> too late :/
[21:28] <magespawn> cheers all


[08:54] <chrisccoulson> good morning, and happy new year desktoppers!
[08:57] <larsu> good morning chrisccoulson, happy new year to you, too!
[09:34] <Sweetsha1k> g'morning 'n happy new year to everyone!
[13:16] <davmor2> hey guys is it me or is appearance missing from setting today from upgrades
[13:38] <popey> davmor2: i still see it
[13:46] <davmor2> popey: thanks I reinstall webapps might work then too :)
[15:47] <Sweetsha1k> seb128, didrocks, robert_ancell: may I humbly ask for you to add an endorsement to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/DeveloperApplication please?
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> gl Sweetsha1k  :)
[15:52] <Sweetsha1k> bcurtiswx: thanks, pinging people still in absence on holiday vacation, I can use some luck ;)
[15:53] <qengho> Sweetsha1k: I'd only endorse Sweetsha384k at least.
[15:54] <Sweetsh384k> qengho: thats so nice of you *blink*
[15:55] <qengho> It's too early for me. That's was too obscure-nerdy and not very funny to start with.    Tracker processes eat a good bit of CPU on my laptop when I boot.  They eventually go idle, but for manmy minutes, my machine crawls.  Does anyone know why they're not {io,}nice'd?
[16:21] <dobey> qengho: tracker isn't installed by default. i guess that's a question for upstream
[19:09] <robru> happy new years everybody! welcome back!
[19:09] <attente> happy new year robru!
[19:09] <robru> attente, hey! how's it?
[19:10] <attente> eh, pretty good
[19:10] <attente> glad that 2012 is over :)
[19:10] <robru> haha, nice
[19:10] <attente> how's life in victoria?
[19:11] <robru> attente, mixed bag. it's totally gorgeous here and everything is amazing, but the hostel I live in is pretty awful. tiny, cramped, noisy, shitty wifi
[19:11] <robru> hoping to find an apartment for feb 1st
[19:12] <attente> what about vancouver? or are you dead set on victoria?
[19:12] <robru> dead set! vancouver is too hustly-bustly for me. nice to visit, but wouldn't want to live there though
[19:12] <attente> haha, ok
[19:13] <attente> well good luck with the search :)
[19:14] <robru> attente, so the wifi at my hostel blocks everything. even IMAP and IRC. I tried to use Tor to get around it, and that worked for IMAP, but freenode blocks Tor! Seems there's no way for me to get on IRC from the hostel unless I tether off my phone instead of using wifi.
[19:14] <attente> ouch that sucks..
[19:17] <sarnold> linode/aws irc bouncer?
[19:18] <robru> sarnold, I guess. Network haxxing isn't quite my specialty... I just go across the street to the cafe and use their wifi, which is 10x faster anyway ;-)
[19:20] <sarnold> robru: not that hard, znc or sbnc are packaged.. :)
[19:21] <robru> sarnold, haha, ok I'll have to give it a try tomorrow. I'm already at the cafe now ;-)
[19:22] <sarnold> robru: nothing wrong with sitting at a nice cafe :) but you do lose scrollback...
[19:22] <qengho> Might be easier just to log-in to their default-passworded AP and configure it how you want, ha.
[19:22] <sarnold> qengho :D
[19:24] <robru> qengho, ha! I met a local guy here who's pretty seriously into network security and he was showing me how to access the security camera feeds, which are apparently unencrypted over the wifi.
[19:26] <desrt> hello fellow canadians and friends of other nationalities
[19:26] <robru> desrt, happy new year!
[19:27] <desrt> cheers :)
[19:41] <robru> is pitti already gone for the day?
[19:42] <desrt> almost definitely
[19:42] <desrt> he keeps very early hours
[19:42] <desrt> speaking of hours...
[19:42]  * desrt pops out for a rather late lunch
[19:44] <robru> desrt, I suffer from insomnia and typically wake up at 11AM, now that I'm 2hrs further west than before, it makes it even harder for me to ever get in touch with pitti :-/
[19:44] <sarnold> robru: heh, I'm in your new timezone, he's often starting work as I'm leaving.
[19:44] <sarnold> robru: it might be easier now :)
[19:45] <robru> sarnold, yeah, I often see him start working if I stay up late. I guess that's just how I'll have to do it.
[20:09] <highvoltage> jbicha: howdy!
[20:09] <highvoltage> jbicha: is it likely that 13.04 will still contain gnome-fallback?
[20:41] <robru> does anybody know about writing test suites against introspected libraries? I just wrote an enormous (1000+ lines) test suite against gexiv2, but python is pulling in the system gexiv2 binaries and I need to get it testing against the binaries compiled in the source tree, rather than what's installed in the system. pitti was showing me how pygobject does this but I can't seem to get it to work.
[21:24] <jbicha> highvoltage: 13.04 absolutely will still offer gnome-fallback as we're basically sticking with GNOME 3.6
[21:27] <jbicha> as of GNOME 3.7.3, the Fallback session still mostly works although things like metacity and gnome-panel no longer have a maintainer & some supporting code in gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon has been killed
[21:37] <highvoltage> jbicha: ok great
[21:38] <highvoltage> jbicha: I'm wondering what we should use as alternatives for when that's gone in Edubuntu.
[21:38] <highvoltage> xfce seems like the friendliest alternative at this point
[21:41] <jbicha> highvoltage: well if anything, there's lots of choices now
[21:42] <jbicha> GNOME 3.8 is adding a "GNOME Classic" mode to GNOME Shell so that's one more variation
[21:49] <sarnold> a lot of my friends are all abuzz about some newfangled "mate desktop", I haven't looked into it much yet..
[21:51] <dobey> sarnold: it's a weird fork of gnome, from mint
[21:52] <sarnold> dobey: aha, no wonder they like it :) all the gnome they've figured out how to live with without any of the newfangled churn?
[21:52] <robru> sarnold, exactly. obsolete from the start.
[21:52] <dobey> sarnold: same churn, different butter at the end.
[21:52] <sarnold> robru: I dunno, there's a lot of people who dislike lennartcode..
[21:52] <sarnold> dobey: haha :)
[21:54] <robru> sarnold, yeah, but GNOME 2 is a *huge* project and mint simply does not have the manpower to maintain this. it will implode shortly. contributing to MATE is an enormous duplication of wasted effort. A better idea would be to fix whatever minor issues you might have with GNOME3
[21:55] <dobey> robru: unfortunately my issues with GNOME3 aren't minor
[21:55] <dobey> of course, i am certainly not going to use mint
[21:55] <dobey> or mate
[21:55] <jbicha> MATE is GNOME2 renamed, with a few patches backported from GNOME3, and apparently the devs are interested in eventually having it support GTK3
[21:57] <jbicha> Cinnamon on the other hand is a more focused project and is already in Debian & Ubuntu
[21:57] <robru> dobey, well, what are your issues with gnome3? if it's anything to do with UI, then it would be easier to write the UI you want in js on top of the existing gnome shell, rather than fork all of gnome2. forking gnome2 because you dislike some gnome3 API is like building an entire car factory because you don't like the cupholders in the last car you bought.
[21:58] <robru> 'dislike some gnome3 UI' I mean
[22:03] <sarnold> cinnamon is _also_ a linux mint project?
[22:05] <dobey> was, i think
[22:05] <dobey> robru: some UI, some social, some technical. and one doesn't need to build a car factory to build a car :)
[22:06] <jbicha> http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
[22:06] <robru> dobey, certainly you don't need to build a car factory to build a car, but that's what I'm saying. forking all of gnome2 is an enormous undertaking that's just vastly more work than is necessary to solve the problems it claims to address. hence 'building a car factory'
[22:08] <dobey> robru: also, my issues with UI aren't fixable with simple JS extensions. they are fundamental issues in GNOME
[22:09] <dobey> and forking gnome2 is dumb not because it's an enormous amount of work (it really isn't all that much); but rather because it's gnome2, which is not technically superior or anything really. it's more like buying a Yugo factory, because you didn't like the cupholders in your Fiat
[22:30] <Optichip> anyone around that works on the daily release isos?
[22:31]  * Optichip is hearing there might be a bug with nvidia in the daily release 12.04
[22:31] <Optichip> popey: you around mate?
[22:32] <popey> Optichip: hello
[22:32] <Optichip> hi alan, was wondering if you could point me in the direction of someone in charge of daily releases of 12.04
[22:33] <popey> what's the problem?
[22:33] <Optichip> someone's reporting a bug in Ubiquity with Nvidia drivers not working correctly after Install, works fine during, but not after install.
[22:34] <Optichip> GPU not working after reboot once the install finishes.
[22:36] <Optichip> popey: this is all third person so I can't guarantee validity.
[22:38] <popey> Optichip: got a bug number?
[22:39] <jasoncwarner> hey everyone...how are things going?
[22:41] <Optichip> popey: bug numbers are: 1078977, 1079812
[22:41] <popey> bug 1078977,
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078977 in elementary OS "Nvidia Drivers Cause LightDM to Crash" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078977
[22:41] <popey> bug 1079812
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079812 in elementary OS "Freeze on startup unless recovery mode used (nvidia)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079812
[22:41] <popey> thats not ubuntu
[22:42] <Optichip> asking him if he's got ubuntu ones
[22:46] <Optichip> popey: thanks for checking, I think he's one of the Elementary group that lacks the Nvidia equipment to test the bug himself.  Maybe I'll test it for him in the morning
[22:46] <popey> ok
[22:47] <Optichip> popey: appreciate the response as always and miss ya in #LDC channel :)
[22:59] <robru> ugh, what's the name of the metapackage that installs all the fun dev tools?
[23:00] <sarnold> robru: build-essential?
[23:00] <robru> sarnold, ah, thanks
[23:00] <robru> sarnold, fresh VM on the go here ;-)
[23:00] <sarnold> robru: hehe, that first hour before you get everything installed sure feels funny, doesn't it? :)
[23:01] <robru> sarnold, I knooooooow!
[23:03] <TheMuso> build-essential, devscripts, and ubuntu-dev-tools for starters...
[23:09] <Laney> apt-get install packaging-dev is useful for getting all that stuff
[23:10] <robru> TheMuso, Laney thanks guys
[23:11] <TheMuso> Laney: ooo nice one, thanks for the tip.
[23:14]  * RAOF learns something new every day.
[23:24] <TheMuso> Indeed.


[06:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Found a nasty flaw with ubuntustudio-installer: It chokes when installing ubuntustudio-audio because jackd, when installing, has a dialog box. Is there a way we can expose a console?
[18:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: That used to work
[18:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the best thing to do is like our ISO, set a debconfig variable that just answers yes.
[18:17] <OvenWerks> When I first tried it, there was a dialog that did work for that.
[18:17] <OvenWerks> Most sw installers just use "no" for everything to not get hung up.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> The package may have changed just a bit and that may be why.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, strange. Any tweaks I made shouldn't have removed that. Is there a way to do that using the command line that we can implement in the .desktop file?
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Also, it's an ncurses dialog, so that may have something to do with it.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the whole thing is a script, so it should be possible to set variables.
[21:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: our preseed file does: "jackd2jackd/tweak_rt_limitsboolean true"
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: right now I think we just do an apt install <long list>
[21:48] <OvenWerks> maybe we should separate out jackd2. The truth is it no longer matters if the dialog is answered yes or no so long as -controls is run after.... or even /usr/sbin/ubuntustudio-system fix
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Well, if that's the case, maybe we should have the script set that variable.
[21:55] <OvenWerks> Ya, I am just lookign to see how I might do that
[21:56] <OvenWerks> it looks like we need to do two things...
[21:57] <OvenWerks> DEBIAN_FRONTEND = noninteractive
[21:57] <OvenWerks> then run apt with the -y flag to assume yes
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Not sure if you got the memo, but -installer is now a git repo in case you still had the bzr repo.
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> Sounds easy enough of a fix.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> no problem I am not actually working on the code...
[22:00] <Eickmeyer> I'm looking at the code now.
[22:00] <OvenWerks> that was it! RUN DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -yq jackd2 seems to be working. Feel free to post it as an answer or and I will accept it or let me know if I post it.
[22:00] <OvenWerks> from: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40160592/dockerfile-how-to-pass-an-answer-to-a-prompt-post-apt-get-install
[22:01] <OvenWerks> I think -yq means assume yes and be quiet
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I think you're right.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> I don't know if we want quiet or the progress bar may no longer work.
[22:02] <OvenWerks> (it looks for certain output from the command)
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> The line I see that may be relevant in the code is 	set instcmd "pkexec apt-get install -yq=0 $pkgs |& cat"
[22:03] <OvenWerks> Ya, that looks right
[22:04] <OvenWerks> just add DEBIAN_FRONTEND = noninteractive; in front?
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> I'll try that and see if it works.
[22:04] <OvenWerks> The problem doesn't show up if jackd2 is already installed
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to remove it (and ubuntustudio-audio) if I'm going to test it again.
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> Okay, pushed, rebuilding in autobuilds. I'll let you know how it goes.
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, that didn't work. Probably needs "set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive;".
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: What did the trick was adding DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive as a separate set instcmd right before it.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> cool
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> I'll be pushing the change shortly.


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[02:22] <pleia2> aneas: there aren't any classes going on now, but you can try asking in #ubuntu-app-devel
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[20:03] <Daviey> I really feel i learned something there.