[09:46] <colonolGron> hello, i am new to launchpad and could need some help. i only registered to push a fix
[09:46] <colonolGron> so i got the source made my change but now i am not sure how to push my change. this is what bzr info tells me: http://pastebin.com/d9KsGm8P
[09:46] <colonolGron> but when i use: bzr push lp:~/g-bluehut/ubuntu-terminal-app/myfix" i get a "permission denied"
[09:46] <cjwatson> You have a stray / there.
[09:46] <cjwatson> You need "bzr push lp:~g-bluehut/ubuntu-terminal-app/myfix" - or you can abbreviate that to "bzr push lp:~/ubuntu-terminal-app/myfix" if you like, since bzr/LP knows your own username.
[09:47] <cjwatson> What you can't do is put a slash between the ~ and your username.
[09:47] <colonolGron> oh, i see. thank you cjwatson
[09:48] <cjwatson> you're welcome
[09:49] <colonolGron> the developers of the main branch dont get notified only by this, right? i still have to use "Propose branch for merging" on the website?
[09:51] <cjwatson> Correct.
[10:01] <colonolGron> okay
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, quoting from ubuntu-devel
 the new buildd stack makes the build get stuck
 https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/firefox/+build/6224439
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1350435
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please have a look?
[16:30] <dobey> oh qemu crashing
[16:31] <dobey> sounds like a qemu bug
[16:31] <cjwatson> I think that needs to be filed as a bug and escalated to qemu upstream
[16:31] <dobey> surprised that didn't just fail though
[16:31] <cjwatson> preferably with a small test case
[16:31] <cjwatson> it should be possible to exercise it locally with qemu-user
[16:31] <cjwatson> since this is just the qemu-user-static from trusty-updates now
[16:31] <dobey> cjwatson: well, i think maybe a bug that the build didn't immediately fail when that happened, too
[16:32] <dobey> but yeah, the qemu crash itself should be reported against qemu
[16:32] <cjwatson> perhaps, but qemu-user-static failures are often hard to recover from because the recovery code gets eaten ...
[16:32] <cjwatson> though the build should time out after a while
[16:33] <cjwatson> you can cancel it if you're more impatient than that
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> nono, I just don't want to steal other people resources
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm not impatient, this build will never succeed unless the bug is fixed
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> and there seems to be a patch
[16:42] <cjwatson> if it can get into trusty-updates, that would get into scalingstack reasonably routinely
[16:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful
[16:46] <LocutusOfBorg1> the patch is not merged upstream yet
[16:46] <LocutusOfBorg1> Not Applicable, archived
[16:47] <LocutusOfBorg1> out of ideas, upstream seems to have rejected it
[16:59] <infinity> Oh, that "patch" is the SUSE "just pin to a single core" hammer.
[16:59] <infinity> I do think we should use that in production too, I'm just unsure if we should also be shipping it in the distro.
[17:02] <cjwatson> would be slightly unfortunate to have to fork it, although I guess if we can do it in a PPA now it's a bit less unpleasant than having to do it in dak
[17:03] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, it really might be the right thing to ship in the distro too.  Stability has got to trump performance here for most people.
[17:04] <infinity> cjwatson: I know exactly why upstream doesn't want it, it's evil, masks problems, and is the wrong solution to the bug.  But, fixing all the actual bugs is way beyond what we're going to do ourselves.
[17:05] <cjwatson> also way beyond what upstream has said they're prepared to do
[17:06] <infinity> Indeed.  I don't think many people upstream view qemu-user as a sane and viable way to do the things we (and SUSE) do with it.
[17:06] <infinity> For them, it's a one-off "run a binary hackishly" debugging tool.
[17:06] <infinity> And, indeed, I don't view it as a sane and viable solution to our problems either, it's just the solution we have until we get a metric wankton of arm64 kit to run kvm on.
[17:07] <lifeless> I must say thats a new unit to me (pun intended).
[17:10] <infinity> cjwatson: If we can work up a reliable local reproducer, I think I'd be happy to just SRU SUSE's patch in and call it done.
[17:14] <infinity> Anyhow, bedtime for backwards Adam.  Catch you later.
[17:22] <bennabiy> cjwatson: Is there any good documentation on how to setup the launchpad build environment? I would like to set up a local server here as a build server to test recipes before I commit them to launchpad
[17:26]  * bennabiy waves at glebihan
[17:29] <pulb1> hi guys. got a question: if  i delete a translation from the import queue, will it be deleted in the import queue only or from launchpad as well?
[17:44] <reed> hi folks, I have a lot of spam submitted as bugs on a project, they all seem to be 'security' bugs, private and I cannot reassign them to null-void or do anything with them
[17:44] <reed> they're annoying
[17:44] <reed> example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338072
[17:44] <reed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338071
[17:45] <reed> right... ubot5 got it right :)
[17:47] <cjwatson> bennabiy: That's using a very large sledgehammer to crack a nut.  You can use bzr-builder locally to test recipes (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/BzrBuilder), and you can use sbuild locally to test-build source packages (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild)
[17:47]  * bennabiy likes big tools
[17:47] <cjwatson> bennabiy: It is possible to set it up (https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC, https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/HowToUseSoyuzLocally) but it's only worth it if you're actually developing Launchpad itself.
[17:48] <bennabiy> cjwatson: point taken :)
[17:48] <cjwatson> reed: They aren't on your project any more.  The state you describe is the way in which we hide spam bugs.
[17:48] <reed> cjwatson, I see them though
[17:48] <cjwatson> reed: Possibly because you reassigned them to null.
[17:48] <reed> cjwatson, I see them individually and in the count
[17:48] <cjwatson> Contrary to your claim that you couldn't.
[17:49] <reed> cjwatson, I have done nothing to them, they show up as assigned to the community project, where they were filed
[17:49] <reed> let me grab a screenshot
[17:49] <cjwatson> reed: You aren't ~smaffuli?
[17:49] <reed> cjwatson, I am
[17:49] <cjwatson> Both bugs you listed currently only have bug tasks on null-and-void, not on openstack-community, and the activity log shows that you put them there.
[17:50] <cjwatson> Reload harder. :)
[17:51] <cjwatson> I've marked the three bugs from that user as Invalid, though, to make it less likely that they'll show up anywhere.
[17:52] <reed> cjwatson, https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1frjx49fxzdlbl/Screenshot%20from%202014-07-30%2010%3A49%3A26.png
[17:52] <ehoover> did something in the recipe system change/break in the past couple days? (bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.BzrCommandError: Invalid deb-version: {debversion}~daily-201407300231~ubuntu12.04.1: Invalid version string '{debversion}~daily-201407300231~ubuntu12.04.1')
[17:53] <cjwatson> reed: Try https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/<bugnum> on each
[17:53] <cjwatson> reed: Honestly, they show up in a sensible state and not on openstack-community for me
[17:53] <cjwatson> ehoover: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1350430
[17:53] <ehoover> cjwatson: thanks
[17:54] <cjwatson> ehoover: we recently upgraded PPAs to an openstack/trusty-based system, so much newer version of bzr-builder
[17:54] <cjwatson> generally it seems to be an improvement but there are a couple of regressions like this
[17:54] <ehoover> cjwatson: thanks, i'll subscribe to the bug :)
[17:55] <reed> cjwatson, gah, i still see them https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338073 but not on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/
[17:55] <cjwatson> guess I need to set up a local reproduction environment for this kind of thing
[17:55] <reed> damn spammers
[17:56] <cjwatson> reed: I can't see that one at all, and it's not one of the ones you listed earlier :)
[17:56] <cjwatson> reed: try making it public and then I'll fix it up for you
[17:56] <reed> cjwatson, I told you there are ~50
[17:56] <cjwatson> reed: you didn't, actually :)
[17:57] <cjwatson> reed: if you could generally just leave these alone and/or report them rather than dealing with them yourself, then that's actually better for us ...
[17:57] <reed> cjwatson, :) ok, I'm telling you now: there are a lot of them, enough to be annoying... let me try to edit
[17:57] <cjwatson> reed: the problem is that if you put them into a state where I can't see them, then I can't help to clean them up and suspend users and such
[17:57] <reed> cjwatson, I have done nothing to them
[17:57] <cjwatson> I suspect you're marking them private before reassigning to null?
[17:57] <cjwatson> somebody is
[17:57] <reed> uhm
[17:59] <reed> the spammer user is ~sksharma872
[18:00] <cjwatson> yes, that user is suspended and all the bugs I can see from them are in the proper hidden state
[18:00] <reed> no, wrong, this is the spammer https://launchpad.net/~tantrikbaba800
[18:00] <reed> so they're hidden but not assigned to null-void
[18:00] <dobey> if they're marked as security bugs then they're private by default probably
[18:00] <cjwatson> ditto, user suspended on 2014-07-06, all visible (to me) bugs in proper state
[18:00] <reed> something went wrong
[18:00] <cjwatson> if you can see them, make them public and we can fix them
[18:01] <cjwatson> I'm pretty certain that you will be able to make them public if you can see them
[18:01] <reed> cjwatson, let me try to make one bug public and I'll show you the error I get
[18:01] <reed> check now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338076
[18:01] <cjwatson> not public AFAICS
[18:02] <dobey> indeed
[18:02] <reed> it reverted back to private
[18:02] <dobey> as ubot5 so helpfully pointed out :)
[18:02] <reed> check again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338076
[18:15] <cjwatson> very peculiar set of state transitions, but I've shunted that off to null now
[18:16] <cjwatson> I wonder if this would be simplified if we had a "mark all user's bugs as spam" control on the account administration page where we suspend accounts
[18:19] <cjwatson> which would mean LP could kill them all without having to (say) give members of ~launchpad access to everyone's security bugs, which I can't see going over too well
[18:23] <dobey> it should would make things eaiser
[18:23] <dobey> easier
[18:23] <reed> cjwatson, that would make sense
[18:27] <reed> cjwatson, now I see what happened! When I try to assign one of those private bugs to dev-null project I get an error but the bug is effectively removed from my list
[18:28] <reed> example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1338078
[18:28] <reed> I'm now going to assign it to dev-null
[18:29] <reed> Error: Not Found \n\n Object: , name: u'1338078'
[18:29] <reed> but the bug is removed from my list... which is good enough for me :)
[18:49] <cjwatson> reed: yeah, you have to be a little careful, I've had to ask admins to undo things for me on a couple of occasions when doing that.  I think it's probably a bug that reassigning a private bug task such that you no longer have an access grant doesn't automatically give you a grant
[18:50] <cjwatson> reed: in such cases I guess making it public first and then only privatising it as the last step is the right sequence
[18:50] <reed> cjwatson, thanks
[18:51] <reed> nice, I cleaned up the bloody mess now
[18:51] <reed> woot
[18:52]  * cjwatson goes to invalidate everything
[18:52] <cjwatson> unusually large number of bugs from a single user from this class of spammer
[18:56] <cjwatson> (done)
[20:25] <mcpierce> Hi, all. I have a question about uploading packages for both trusty and precise to a PPA. Is this not possible? I tried this and my package for precise was rejected.
[20:25] <mcpierce> The packages are versioned as 0.7-3trusty and 0.7-3precise, and both use the same source tarball.
[20:26] <dobey> you can only upload the source tarball once. rebuild the source package for the second upload to not include the full source (so it won't include the orig.tar.gz in the upload)
[20:27] <mcpierce> dobey: Is that without the -sa option?
[20:29] <dobey> right, -sa means include all source in the upload
[20:30] <mcpierce> dobey: Hrm, I did a rebuild with "debuild -S -k[mykeyid]" and then dput ppa:qpid/released ../qpid-proton_0.7-3precise_source.changes -- it was rejected for hte same reason as before.
[20:32] <dobey> is it actually the same source tarball? usually it only complains if you're trying to upload a source tarball that is different than the one that's already on the server, but it has the same name
[20:32] <mcpierce> dobey: I just cleaned up to make sure nothing untoward was in the directory and reran the debuild cmdline.
[20:33] <mcpierce> dobey: Yep. Just checked the md5 sum between my trusty and precise machines and it's the same _orig.tar.gz file on both.
[20:34] <mcpierce> dobey: What I'm seeing is: "File qpid-proton_0.7-3precise.debian.tar.gz already exists in Released Qpid packages for Debian, but uploaded version has different contents."
[20:34] <dobey> yes
[20:34] <dobey> so they are not the same file
[20:34] <mcpierce> dobey: I'm noting seeing any exisitng 0.7-3precise source there,t hough. THere's no precise package in the PPA.
[20:35] <dobey> the source was uploaded though
[20:35] <mcpierce> dobey: How do I delete it?
[20:35] <dobey> you can't
[20:35] <mcpierce> dobey: Ugh. There was a previous push of 0.7-3precise, but I deleted it this morning.
[20:35] <dobey> why are you not using the proper upstream tarball for the orig.tar.gz?
[20:35] <mcpierce> dobey: Actually, this is the upstream tarball.
[20:35]  * mcpierce verifies the MD5 sum.
[20:36] <dobey> then why does it have a debian revision and ubuntu series name in the tarball?
[20:36] <dobey> oh the .debian.tar.gz is what it's complaining about
[20:36] <dobey> not the orig.tar.gz
[20:36] <dobey> you can't upload the same version twice
[20:36] <dobey> you need to bump the version
[20:37] <dobey> change it to 0.7-4precise or something
[20:37] <mcpierce> dobey: Ugh, kk. I had hoped that, since I deleted the broken package that I could reuse the release.
[20:37] <dobey> or no, you cannot upload the same version multiple times
[20:37] <mcpierce> dobey: kk, thanks.
[20:38] <dobey> and you should put a ~ prior to the series name, like "0.7-4~precise" instead, so that version comparison will work better
[20:38] <mcpierce> dobey: kk thanks for that.


[03:29] <cry0xen> I tried to reinstall snap however I Failed. installed it using aur and asking you here after 3 hours of google search and trial. heres a screenshot of status https://litter.catbox.moe/frmdbt.png


[07:28] <jbrouhard> Anyone alive ?
[07:29] <jbrouhard> Just wondering if anyone knows a fix for ipw3945 wireless in Toshiba Satellites not functioning ?
[08:29] <LuckyLarry> hi all :)


[13:56] <michaelforrest1> ev: it's your birthday
[14:04] <highvoltage> ev: happy birthday!
[14:21] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4160 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Update some DebconfFetchProgress calls to DebconfAcquireProgress calls.
[14:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4161 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py scripts/plugininstall.py):
[14:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Move the call to unmount_source back into install.py, it's only really
[14:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: used there for file copy, not by plugins.
[15:13] <ev> michaelforrest1: wait, what
[15:13] <ev> superm1: thanks for the fixes!
[15:13] <michaelforrest1> ev hello
[15:13] <ev> superm1: trying to sort that FTBFS now
[15:13] <ev> michaelforrest1: hiya
[15:14] <michaelforrest1> thought this might be of use to you: http://use-case-mapper.canonical.com/specifications/0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfMTAxZ25rcnBnNXY.compact
[15:14] <ev> "We're sorry, but something went wrong."
[15:14] <michaelforrest1> log in first maybe
[15:15] <ev> michaelforrest1: that's gorgeous!  well done!
[15:16] <michaelforrest1> since everybody just looks at the pictures in specs, I thought I'd just make it a picture viewer ;)
[15:16] <michaelforrest1> further developments to come, but that should work well on your - you know - proprietary device
[15:18] <ev> hahaha, indeed
[15:18] <ev> very cool stuff
[15:18] <ev> massive thanks
[15:19] <ev> WTFBBQ?! Ubiquity build-depends on pkg-config, but pkg-config doesn't get pulled into the pbuilder chroot.
[15:23] <ev> Ah, I forgot that ubiquity does things differently (d-i/update-control).  Whoops.
[15:24] <ev> meh, need harbucks
[15:38] <CIA-5> ubiquity: evand * r4162 ubiquity/d-i/update-control: Add recent build-depends to d-i/update-control.
[15:44] <superm1> ev, cool
[15:44] <superm1> just threw up one more, that should allow a full install, but it looks to me that oem-config is a mess still
[15:51] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4162 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Run success cmd after plugininstall finishes.
[15:51] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4163 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/install_misc.py): Correct a few more deprecated apt calls.
[15:51] <superm1> ignore some of those cia calls, i didn't think cia was working at the time
[15:51] <superm1> turns out it's just rather delayed
[15:55] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4163 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:55] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Run success cmd after plugininstall finishes.
[15:55] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Correct a few more deprecated apt calls.
[15:56] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4163 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:56] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Run success cmd after plugininstall finishes.
[15:56] <CIA-5> ubiquity: * Correct a few more deprecated apt calls.
[16:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4164 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[16:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Don't show the warning page or the prepare page in oem-config for now.
[16:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: The prepare page might make sense to re-enable, but will need a little
[16:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: different wording if so.
[16:28] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4165 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Update deprecated use of get_release_name() to get_release().name.
[17:22] <ev> cjwatson: just to be clear, we definitely don't want to enable multiverse as part of the install, right? (But universe is okay)
[18:04] <superm1> ev, multiverse the repository is on by default in the default sources.list i thought?  are you meaning installing stuff from multiverse?
[18:04] <ev> oh, hm
[19:01] <cjwatson> ev: we've enabled both for a while I think
[20:00] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4166 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py):
[20:00] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Mark timezone to come after both partman and language so that it shows
[20:00] <CIA-5> ubiquity: up in oem-config too.
[20:15] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4167 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Only run plugininstall after the last page in oem mode.
[20:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r4168 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[20:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: If the slideshow doesn't exist, hide the page notebook rather than
[20:22] <CIA-5> ubiquity: showing the webkit 404 page.
[20:25] <ev> superm1: just chatted it over with cjwatson.  Multiverse is enabled by default on the presumption that we will not be installing anything from it by default.  It was done to make it easier for people who wanted to install such things to do so.
[20:26] <ev> So it still needs to be a separate package after all
[20:38] <superm1> ah, that's what i thought the behavior was
[20:38] <superm1> ok
[20:52] <ev> cjwatson, superm1: could I have another set of eyes on these before I upload: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubuntu-restricted-addons_1.dsc http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubuntu-restricted-extras_41.dsc
[21:03] <cjwatson> looks roughly ok to me, haven't looked through it alll
[21:03] <cjwatson> *all
[21:34] <ev> cjwatson: Right, uploaded.  As requested, can you NEW ubuntu-restricted-addons 1?
[21:43] <ocra> hi! a question abut preseed, i want to autoinstall a laptop via pxe with a encrypted disc and in that a lvm with seperate / /home /usr and swap. as i understand the doc on pressed thats not possible but is there any workarounds, script to run post installation or anything. any ideas?
[21:46] <cjwatson> ev: done
[21:46] <ev> cjwatson: thanks!
[22:40] <superm1> er ev just got back around, guess you got it looked at / sorted otu
[22:40] <ev> yarp
[22:40] <ev> thanks just the same though
[22:40] <ev> I may have the FTBFS solved as well
[22:40] <superm1> cool, i've just been working it around it for those test builds i've been doing
[22:41] <superm1> i think oem-config and automatic mode should be in much better shape now
[22:41] <ev> hooray
[22:41] <ev> much appreciated
[22:44] <superm1> ev, how would you feel about setting a requested width on the top level live_installer?  the side effect of hiding page_mode before the slideshow shows up (or if there is no slideshow) is a constantly resizing window due to string length changing
[22:46] <ev> superm1: I'd like to solve the resizing issues after we get the page element alignments correct
[22:46] <ev> actually
[22:46] <ev> yeah, that sounds reasonable
[22:47] <superm1> i haven't checked that it actually fixes the problem, but i would have expected it would
[22:47] <superm1> what's the target width for the window then?
[22:48] <ev> slightly unknown at the moment
[22:49] <ev> I think it's going to be largely dependent on what we put in the heading for installing restricted extras
[22:49] <superm1> okay well then i guess it can just hold off until that's figured out
[22:50] <ev> okay
[22:50] <ev> but yeah, fixing the crazy sizing and moving of the window is definitely on my radar
[22:51] <ev> superm1: for what it's worth, I'm trying to find a way to pare this down so it fits on the page: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473719/
[22:51] <ev> and says something better than "tick this box"
[22:51] <superm1> what about hover text?
[22:54] <ev> superm1: for what?
[22:54] <superm1> for the phrase "Ubuntu supports MP3 playback... etc"
[22:54] <superm1> and then instead of tick this box it can become something like "Enable closed source software"
[22:54] <ev> oh, maybe, but I imagine michaelforrest would stab me in the face if I used hover text for just about anything
[22:55] <superm1> haha
[22:55] <ev> I'm keen to get his input on this, but he hasn't replied to my request for it
[22:55] <superm1> otherwise that phrase on line 5 is very wordy to blurt out on that nice clean page
[22:56] <ev> exactly
[22:57] <superm1> if michaelforrest isn't keen on hover text, i doubt a popup window explaining all that after it's ticked would fly either
[22:58] <superm1> or maybe a little "Why?" hyperlink or button next to the checkbox that could bring up something else to explain it
[23:01] <ev> indeed
[23:01] <ev> not a bad idea
[23:01] <ev> right, hotel then dinner
[23:01] <ev> enjoy your evening
[23:01] <superm1> thanks you too
[23:01] <ev> so I'm going to try to upload by the night's end
[23:01] <ev> as I leave for SF early tomorrow
[23:02] <ev> just a heads up
[23:02] <superm1> fine by me.  i'll upload my other plugins then too that were changed for it
[23:02] <ev> awesome
[23:02] <CIA-5> ubiquity: evand * r4169 ubiquity/d-i/update-control: Add more misssing deps. Ubiquity builds again!


 Might have got to be before midnight finally. How are you?
[07:14] <duflu> -be +bed
[07:15] <seb128> ah, nice
[07:15] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm good, how are you?
[07:15] <seb128> I'm fine today, played some tennis yesterday which was nice despite the fact that I manage to slip when changing direction and fall and bruised my elbow and hand
[07:16] <duflu> The cost of physical activity...
[07:16] <seb128> right
[07:16] <duflu> Better than desk-induced injuries
[07:20] <duflu> Unless the desk is encountered on the a tennis court
[07:25] <seb128> :)
[07:50] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[07:51] <duflu> Morning-ish willcooke
[07:52] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:52] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[07:52] <willcooke> duflu, thanks for looking at the gdm issue
[07:52] <willcooke> testing the workaround now
[07:52] <duflu> willcooke, in the end I could not help but see it :/
[07:53] <willcooke> funny that this test machine should be "too fast", since it's old
[07:53] <duflu> Weird I had to try a third cosmic machine before I hit it
[07:53] <duflu> Maybe not weird. Just a faster system for the kernel to boot on
[07:53] <willcooke> on this machine once it "fixes" itself, it's very hard to break again
[07:53] <willcooke> very odd
[07:54] <duflu> Mine too. But the problem returned immediately on the first boot after I removed the workaround
[07:54] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:54] <willcooke> duflu, do I edit the gdm3 service file or the gdm service file?
[07:54] <duflu> willcooke, one is a symlink to the other
[07:55] <duflu> so edit either
[07:55] <willcooke> so it is
[07:55] <willcooke> :)
[07:56] <willcooke> duflu, and do I add a second ExecPre line, or remove the one that's there are replace it?
[07:56] <duflu> willcooke, add a second one. Seems to work
[07:56] <duflu> I suspect removing existing stuff might break
[07:57] <willcooke> can haz gdm
[07:58] <willcooke> Could this be as simple as moving gdm later in the boot process?
[07:58] <seb128> the boot is not a fixed sequence
[07:58] <willcooke> ah
[07:58] <seb128> especially not with systemd
[07:59] <seb128> services reacts to other parts to be ready
[07:59] <seb128> upstream said it was a known bug in the gdm code, that's probably the best place where to fix it
[07:59] <seb128> also changing ordering of services might have side effect and create other problems
[08:00] <willcooke> duflu, triggereed the bug even with sleep 5
[08:00] <willcooke> I'll try sleep 120
[08:00] <willcooke> *10
[08:00] <duflu> Yeah
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:01] <seb128> lol
[08:01] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:03] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <willcooke> oh, my bad, I'd spelled Pre wrong
[08:04] <willcooke>  /o\
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu didrocks
[08:10] <Laney> I'm alright, went to a nice gig last night
[08:11] <willcooke> Laney, is Rock City still there?
[08:12] <Laney> yeah, that's one of the big beasts
[08:12] <willcooke> \m/
[08:12] <Laney> they have the big student night on wednesdays there, "crisis"
[08:12] <Laney> this was at folk club in the pub down the road though :-)
[08:12] <willcooke> I have fond memories of student night in there.
[08:12] <willcooke> or rather, I dont
[08:12] <willcooke> Laney, nice :) Less students
[08:13] <willcooke> Less Fosters
[08:14] <Laney> tuborg
[08:14] <willcooke> duflu, now I've removed the sleep I can't  break it
[08:14] <Laney> that's what I remember from rock city
[08:14] <willcooke> urgh
[08:14] <Laney> also the floor being so sticky that it took my shoe off
[08:14] <duflu> willcooke,  didn't it take an hour or so to return yesterday?
[08:14] <willcooke> yes!  That I remember
[08:15] <willcooke> duflu, I reinstalled
[08:15] <willcooke> duflu, I'll try doing something else for a while
[09:13] <willcooke> tjaalton, any more ideas about that virtualbox thing?
[09:13] <willcooke> tjaalton, also hi! :)
[09:13] <willcooke> Laney, is your n-m fix in the new iso?
[09:14] <Laney> noh
[09:14] <Laney> should be in cosmic laer
[09:14] <tjaalton> willcooke: show xorg log
[09:26] <tjaalton> I bisected xserver-xorg-video-fbdev driver and reverted a commit which made kvm with bochs vga fail, but doubt it helps here
[09:26] <tjaalton> it's in proposed now
[09:28] <tjaalton> anyway, gdm/X is started too early before the native driver has a chance
[09:29] <tjaalton> but there's no easy way to determine how to keep it waiting, sometimes /dev/fb0 is enough, some need /dev/dri/card0. not sure if either would work on nvidia..
[09:32] <popey> Just dist upgraded my cosmic vm (virtualbox) and now gnome shell segfaults on boot
[09:32] <popey> is this known?
[09:37] <popey> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KcXDhLnb/
[09:38] <popey> http://termbin.com/tcdg
[09:41] <tjaalton> popey: does it work after restarting gdm?
[09:41] <popey> tjaalton: no
[09:41] <tjaalton> k
[10:01] <willcooke> I wonder if the same fix for gdm will work on vbox as well.  I'll try it
[10:04] <tjaalton> you mean adding some sleep? most likely
[10:22] <Laney> seb128: could you delete gjs gjs-tests libgjs-dev libgjs0g/s390x/cosmic and promote mozjs60 libmozjs-60-dev libmozjs-60-0 please?
[10:22] <Laney> popey: a backtrace would be useful, e.g. by using apport to report the .crash file
[10:24] <seb128> Laney, "4 packages successfully removed."
[10:24] <popey> Laney: what's the best way to do that?
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, "11 publications overridden."
  Just done in meetings, will test it in a mo
[10:59] <Laney> popey: thx, that's a tjaalton thing
[11:01] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ saw that bug?
[11:02] <seb128> SIGABRT in glamor_egl_init()
[11:02]  * Laney assumed using the nick exactly would cause a highlight
[11:05] <seb128> Laney, right, I'm never sure if people do bother when they are just being mentioned or if direct ping has a different effect/more chance to give you a reply
[11:05] <seb128> I know for sure some people go "whatever" when you mention their name without a direct question
[11:05] <seb128> (not stating it's the case here though)
[11:06] <Laney> righto
[11:06] <tjaalton> saw it now
[11:06] <tjaalton> never before
[11:07] <seb128> it doesn't seem to have duplicates
[11:09] <willcooke> tjaalton, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mDPNsJmnRv/
[11:09] <willcooke> that's the xorg log from a live session
[11:09] <Laney> I mean the last patch did touch that line
[11:09] <Laney> so ;-)
[11:10] <seb128> right
[11:14] <willcooke> Is it possible for me to edit files inside an ISO image?  I'd like to try that sleep hack in the live session and I don't know how to
[11:15] <willcooke> or am I wasting my time?
[11:15] <willcooke> I suspect the later
[11:15] <jamesh> if your edits don't change the size of the file it might be possible
[11:16] <willcooke> it will
[11:16] <willcooke> I wont bother
[11:16] <willcooke> :)
[11:16] <tjaalton> remove some comments ;)
[11:16] <willcooke> ha
[11:16] <jamesh> does the change need to be live on bootup, or just when it is running?
[11:17] <willcooke> well, I'd like to try adding a sleep to the gdm service file for the live session
[11:17] <willcooke> oh, perhaps the live session isnt even using gdm
[11:17] <jamesh> if it is just at runtime, copy the file to /tmp, edit it, and then bind mount it to the original location
[11:17] <jibel> willcooke, depending on what you want to do you have to rebuild the ISO or you can stop in casper, edit the file you want and continue
[11:17] <jibel> the live session is using gdm
[11:18] <tjaalton> I'll discuss the new glamor_egl_init crash with upstream
[11:18] <Laney> thx!
[11:19] <willcooke> jibel, ah, stopping in casper sounds like what I want.  How do I make that work?
[11:19] <jbicha> willcooke: the 19.04 trello board doesn't appear to be part of the Ubuntu Desktop team like the 18.10 board is
[11:19] <tjaalton> willcooke: I suspect the corruption comes when modesetting takes over from vesa..
[11:19] <willcooke> jbicha, yes it's part of the Canonical group because we have a paid subscription, and so more toys.  It shouldn't affect anything else though.  If you dont have access I can add you
[11:20] <jbicha> I have read access but not write access
[11:20] <willcooke> tjaalton, so not much I can do then?  Do you need more logs or anything?
[11:21] <jbicha> probably should add darkxst there too
[11:21] <willcooke> jbicha, done and done
[11:22] <jbicha> thanks
[11:24] <tjaalton> willcooke: nah
[11:24] <willcooke> tjaalton, shout if I can help
[11:36] <jibel> willcooke, sorry, actually that won't work if you want to modify the squashfs, and if you boot in rescue mode it'll alter the boot sequence and invalidate your test (if what you want is modfying a systemd file)
[11:42] <Laney> jibel: what's wrong with break=bottom and modifying files in /root?
[11:50] <jibel> Laney, if it breaks after the squashfs is mounted it should work indeed
[11:51]  * Laney nods
[11:52] <Laney> be prepared for editing files in there to be a hateful experience though :-)
[11:52] <jibel> willcooke, then you boot, press space, F6 and add break=bottom to the kernel command line, Enter to boot. when it stops in the initramfs chroot /root and do your edit
[11:52] <jibel> ctrl+d twice and boot will continue
[11:55] <willcooke> oki, that sounds fun.  I'll have ago
[11:55] <willcooke> but first food
[13:26] <jibel> willcooke, when you install in legacy mode on a uefi system, does it boot after installation?
[13:27] <jibel> ah, I get the "no gdm" issue now
[13:32] <tjaalton> that new crasher is because eglMakeCurrent doesn't seem to work, and that's a bug in mesa or glvnd
[13:32] <jibel> willcooke, when I said "does it boot" I meant does it detect a bootable device?
[13:33] <seb128> Laney, jibel, willcooke, do you know what's the deal with ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu? you guys commited changed but there was no upload, was it waiting on something?
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, I don't understand the point of that upload http://launchpadlibrarian.net/391652443/grilo-plugins_0.3.8-1ubuntu1_0.3.8-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:35] <jibel> seb128, no, just someone to release it.
[13:35] <seb128> jibel, k, I'm going to merge the yaru changes and upload then
[13:35] <jibel> ok
[13:36] <Laney> I thought there were some other changes coming, but I had it on my list to check back tomorrow
[13:36] <Laney> you can do it if you want
[13:36] <seb128> I'm reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~madsrh/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/Yaru-CSS/+merge/355913
[13:36] <seb128> so I think I'm just going to upload with that
[13:36] <seb128> we can do another upload if there a late change still coming
[13:36] <seb128> if that's fine with others
[13:38] <Laney> if you want to do it then you can do it
[13:38] <seb128> thx
[13:38] <Laney> new gjs went in
[13:38] <Laney> and n-m and plymouth
[13:38] <Laney> #goodupdateday
[13:38] <seb128> \o/
[13:38] <seb128> NEW ISO TIME
[13:38] <seb128> :)
[13:39] <Laney> would need to publish, then takes a couple of hours
[13:39] <seb128> tomorrow morning sounds like it then
[13:39] <Laney> probably won't do an extra one
[13:40] <Laney> maybe there's an xorg fix or two in the meantime ;-)
[13:40] <ahayzen> hey, does anyone know if there is going to be a new gnome-software update for cosmic before release? eg bumping to 3.30.1 or pushing of what is in the ubuntu-3-30 branch ?  I was hoping a fix i landed in the ubuntu-3-30 branch a few weeks ago would make it ...
[13:40] <seb128> ahayzen, we should have it updated to .1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1789451
[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, can you make sure that robert_ancell has that on his list?
[13:41] <kenvandine> seb128: will do
[13:41] <seb128> thx
[13:42] <ahayzen> seb128, ok thanks, as i fixed this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1791553  ... which doesn't affect the default install, but i saw youtube's hating on ubuntu because of it. So was trying to prevent bad press from the release :-)
[13:43] <seb128> ahayzen, ah, flatpak ...
[13:43] <seb128> is youtube hating a thing?
[13:43]  * seb128 is too old for knowing about that :p
[13:44] <ahayzen> yeah it was a feature listed in the gnome 3.30 release, so people were getting a bit ragy that wasn't in ubuntu cosmic :-) Anyway, if what is in ubuntu-3-30 branch is pushed to cosmic that'll fix it
[13:44] <seb128> it should yes
[13:44] <seb128> thx for raising it up/asking though
[13:44] <seb128> and for fixing it :)
[13:45] <Laney> you might want to comment on the bug to make sure that robert_ancell knows about it
[13:45] <seb128> ahayzen, that change is confusing though
[13:45] <seb128> unsure it's a good idea to land that in cosmic
[13:46] <seb128> was there anything done to communicate that the setting apply to flatpak only?
[13:47] <ahayzen> seb128, i worked with robert and he approved the merges :-)  i think long term snappy could hook into it as well.  I'm happy to modify the text to mention flatpak or something if required
[13:47] <seb128> the fact that you worked with Robert doesn't reply to my question
[13:47] <seb128> I guess it means "no"?
[13:48] <ahayzen> not visually to the user, no. Suggestions welcome :-)
[13:48] <seb128> it's too late for a string change
[13:48] <seb128> I would vote -1 for landing that change/fix in cosmic
[13:48] <seb128> it sucks a bit, unsure how to handle it
[13:49] <seb128> oh, wait, you only show the dialog if the flatpak plugin is installed?
[13:49] <ahayzen> ok :-/ the problem is that users are forced into auto updates unless they go and manually edit dconf
[13:49] <seb128> (which we don't install by default)
[13:49] <ahayzen> seb128, yes i only show it if gnome-software-plugin-flatpak is enabled
[13:49] <seb128> ah ok
[13:49] <seb128> then it's good enough
[13:49] <ahayzen> seb128, so for a default install there is no difference
[13:49] <ahayzen> sorry i should have mentioned that
[13:49] <seb128> the users who go manually install that can deal with the side effects
[13:49] <seb128> right, I just remembered
[13:49] <ahayzen> yes
[13:49] <seb128> so it should be all good :)
[13:49] <ahayzen> :-)
[13:50] <seb128> still not ideal but it will do
[13:50] <ahayzen> yeah :-/ i really hope that snaps can also integrate with that dialog. As it'd be nice to have a common way to disable/enable auto updates between the formats
[13:51] <ahayzen> ok, so in conclusion, it should hopefully be in cosmic when 3.30.1 is updated
[13:52] <seb128> yes
[13:52] <seb128> as for snap, let's see
[13:53] <seb128> but snapd has a metered property already, so it should be easy enough to make the UI change it
[13:53] <seb128> then unsure how to keep the settings in sync since on the backend they have different locations
[13:53] <seb128> and I doubt snapd wants to use dconf
[13:55] <ahayzen> maybe the gnome-software-plugin-snap can listen to that button and set something to libsnapd-glib ?  (i'm not familiar how the snap parts are structured though)
[13:56] <seb128> that direction is easy
[13:56] <seb128> but what it the user change the snap property through the snapctl command
[13:56] <seb128> then the dconf and snap setting disagree
[13:56] <seb128> what does the checkbox status in the UI is?
[13:57] <ahayzen> ah yeah, if you have both snap and flatpak you could get them out of sync etc. So probably something to discuss with upstream.
[13:57] <seb128> right
[13:57] <seb128> also that settings doesn't apply to debs updates either
[13:58] <seb128> but yeah, upstream design discussions
[14:02] <kenvandine> seb128: updating the cosmic seed for portals and it's dropping gdm3, gnome-shell and ubuntu-settings for s390
[14:02] <kenvandine> seb128: i guess that's not a surprise right?
[14:02] <Laney> correct
[14:02] <kenvandine> just making sure ;)
[14:02] <seb128> right
[14:03] <kenvandine> thanks
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, btw did you see the ping about snaps/yaru icons, yaru team waiting for a comment thing?
[14:03] <kenvandine> yesterday?
[14:04] <kenvandine> seb128: i responded yesterday, haven't had a chance to check today if there was more activity
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, right, sorry I don't know what that post is so I couldn't check
[14:05] <seb128> there is no recent topic with "icon" in the title
[14:05] <jbicha> seb128: I manually typed in the wrong version number when I merged grilo-plugins so gnome-music is in depwait
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[14:05] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-music/3.30.1-1/+build/15509465
[14:06] <seb128> jbicha, ah ok, you should perhaps have mentioned that in the changelog to help the reviewer to understand that the update has a point out of cosmic of the changelog
[14:06] <seb128> jbicha, also why did you drop the "Merge with Debian" bits?
[14:06] <seb128> from the previous changelog entry
[14:06] <jbicha> ok, let me reupload
[14:06] <seb128> well don't bother for me
[14:06] <seb128> I'm not in the release team
[14:16] <seb128> k, slideshow uploaded, rebooting to see if the issue with that usb stick is the device/image or if it's the inspiron not liking it for a reason
[14:20] <willcooke> sorry, been in docs, missed pings.  Reading
[14:23] <seb128> bah, the key works on my laptop but only in uefi mode, it gives an error in bios mode
[14:24] <seb128> the inspiron is uefi enabled though
[14:24] <seb128> but it doesn't like the key at all :/
[14:24] <seb128> rewritting the image in case that makes a difference
[14:25] <willcooke> jibel, seb128 - My inspiron is, afiact, in BIOS mode and was booting properly
[14:26] <willcooke> good update day indeed, looking forward to tomorrows iso
[14:26] <willcooke> maybe these gdm issues and vbox issues will be fixed by then too ;D
[14:27] <seb128> willcooke, how do put it in bios mode?
[14:28] <willcooke> seb128, sec
[14:28] <seb128> or you mean secure boot disabled?
[14:28] <willcooke> I think it's real BIOS mode
[14:28] <seb128> I don't find that option in the bios settings here :/
[14:29] <willcooke> Boot -> Boot List Option
[14:29] <willcooke> Legacy or UEFI
[14:29] <seb128> that line is grey for me
[14:29] <seb128> I can't select it
[14:29] <willcooke> turn off secure boot first?
[14:30] <seb128> it is off
[14:30]  * willcooke checks the other setting
[14:30] <seb128> I might need a bios update?
[14:31] <seb128> did you ever update the bios on that machine?
[14:31] <seb128> can fwupd do that? ;)
[14:31] <willcooke> never tried
[14:32] <seb128> k, it worked in a port on the left
[14:32] <seb128> I had it on the right side before
[14:32] <willcooke> BIOS version A05
[14:32] <seb128> weird
[14:32] <willcooke> ?!
[14:32] <seb128> go figure
[14:32] <seb128> willcooke, thx :)
[14:32] <willcooke> any time
[14:50] <xnox> Does ubports use upstart in bionic?
[14:50] <xnox> in user session?
[14:51] <seb128> willcooke, k, same bug that you with gdm on my inspiron
[14:51] <seb128> xnox, no idea
[14:51] <Laney> there is no upstart in bionic?
[14:52] <willcooke> seb128, cool.  If you can be bothered, add the sleep line to the systemd unit and see it fixed
[14:52] <seb128> k, did it work for you?
[14:52] <seb128> that's a workaround though...
[14:52] <willcooke> seb128, yes and yes
[14:52] <willcooke> also worked for duflu
[14:52] <willcooke> so no need to test really
[14:52] <seb128> k
[14:52] <willcooke> halfline is on the case
[14:52] <seb128> but need to fix really
[14:52] <seb128> right
[14:53] <seb128> if he doesn't get to it this week we might want to consider helping next week
[14:53] <Laney> there's a merge request
[14:53] <xnox> Laney, correct there is no upstart in bionic; but i'm going to upload "Conflicts: upstart" in systemd =/
[14:53] <xnox> which may affect them.
[14:55] <jbicha> xnox: do you telegram? if so try https://ubports.com/contact-us
[14:59] <seb128> Laney, a WIP one that needs some fixing though
[14:59] <seb128> e.g I don't think we can backport it to our package as it
[14:59] <Laney> I know Seb, I left some comments on it.
[15:01] <seb128> k, sorry, I guess I didn't get what you were trying to tell me then
[15:01] <seb128> or maybe my comment was not clear
[15:01] <Laney> that it's in hand
[15:01] <seb128> if halfline is too busy maybe we should consider helping to get to cleanup/land the work
[15:01] <seb128> is what I meant
[15:01] <seb128> but let's see
[15:01] <willcooke> +1
[15:02] <Laney> I did help
[15:02] <seb128> so we should be set :)
[15:02] <Laney> Yes.
[15:03] <seb128> thx Laney!
[15:04] <seb128> kenvandine, could you have bug #1787653 on your list/ask Robert to have a look? it's the second error on the weekly view of e.u.c/cosmic and seems to have started to spike this cycle
[15:06] <kenvandine> seb128: sure
[15:07] <seb128> thx
[15:13] <jbicha> seb128: you can remove tracker & tracker-miners from cosmic-proposed. (I checked with darkxst)
[15:13] <seb128> jbicha, k
[15:14] <seb128> jbicha, what's the reason? (the removal tools requires one)
[15:14] <seb128> "the update requires a MIR which isn't going to be approved before cosmic"?
[15:17] <jbicha> "not enough time to resolve LP: #1793550 before cosmic release"
[15:17] <seb128> thx
[15:18] <jbicha> Tim's solution would have worked but I don't want to rush it into Debian over mbiebl's concerns right now
[15:19] <seb128> jbicha, done
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, we might want to keep an eye on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal/+bug/1796113 if we install portal by default now
[15:21] <seb128> it has a few reports only but it was not default yet
[15:23] <seb128> andyrock, unsure how busy you are atm, if not too much maybe you can have a look to bug #1796115? that started with 3.30.0 apparently
[15:25] <seb128> changing location, brb
[15:45] <seb128> back
[15:49] <andyrock> seb128: hey I'm working on a crash that happens on gnome-shell --replace
[15:49] <andyrock> that is preventing me to do other work
[15:50] <andyrock> I took a look at 1796115 (forgot to puth in the status report!) last week, for what I understand it could happen when you launch g-c-c as root
[15:50] <willcooke> nice forum post on the gttk2 themes jamesh
[15:50] <seb128> andyrock, ah ok, thx
[15:50] <seb128> g-s seems higher priority indeed
[15:51] <andyrock> seb128: I'll take another look btw
[15:51] <andyrock> seb128: for the moment I was able to understand that this does not happen when nautilus-desktop is not running
[15:52] <andyrock> seb128: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/627 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/595
[15:52] <gitbot> GNOME issue 627 in gnome-shell "Shell 3.30 crashed on Arch Linux" [Opened]
[15:52] <gitbot> GNOME issue 595 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell --replace crashes on 3.30" [1. Crash, 2. Needs Information, Opened]
[15:53] <andyrock> not sure if arch is running nautilus-desktop too
[15:53] <andyrock> running gnome-shell with --sync I see that crash happens whey gnome-shell creates the "Change Background..." menu
[16:23] <kenvandine> Laney: trying to refresh ubuntu-meta and it's not adding xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[16:23] <kenvandine> the seed has been updated in git
[16:23] <kenvandine> it's been a couple hours now
[16:23] <kenvandine> Laney: ideas?
[16:23] <Laney> I suspect you need to promote it
[16:26] <kenvandine> i thought it wouldn't get promoted until something needed it
[16:26] <Laney> it does (the seed)
[16:27] <kenvandine> ah
[16:27] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-October/004609.html
[16:27] <kenvandine> Laney: thanks, i thought they wouldn't hit component-mismatches until ubuntu-meta was uploaded
[16:28] <kenvandine> cool, so i guess i just wait now :)
[16:29] <Laney> maybe you know a friendly archive admin :P
[16:30]  * kenvandine winks at seb128
[16:40] <seb128> kenvandine, done
[16:40] <kenvandine> seb128: thanks!
[16:40] <seb128> I only put the main binary for xdg-desktop-portal to main
[16:40] <seb128> not the -dev nor -test binaries
[16:40] <kenvandine> that's fine
[16:41] <seb128> k, good
[16:41] <kenvandine> and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk too right?
[16:41] <seb128> yes
[16:41] <seb128> that one has only 1 binary
[16:41] <kenvandine> great, thanks
[16:41] <seb128> so no question :)
[17:24] <willcooke> good night all
[17:26] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers
[17:28] <kenvandine> good evening seb128
[17:28] <seb128> thx! :-)
[18:35] <kenvandine> jibel: should i report a bug about the images in the installer being bionic beaver?
[18:35] <kenvandine> jibel: or is that known and just not done yet?
[18:38] <jibel> kenvandine, no, next build should have the right mascot
[18:42] <kenvandine> jibel: great
[18:42] <kenvandine> jibel: and willcooke was updating the screenshots right?
[18:47] <jibel> kenvandine, yes


[01:33] <Pici> oops.
[01:34] <Pici> I accidentally issued sync on ubottu, I was looking for the sync factoid in a query window... hope it didnt do anything bad, it errored out.
[03:18]  * mneptok vomits erotically
[03:20] <nickrud> you should stay away from passion fruit, mneptok
[03:21] <mneptok> nickrud: why do you think i'm vomitting?!
[03:21] <mneptok> ;)
[03:48] <Pici> hrm..
[03:48] <Pici> Are legal drugs concidered o4o if alcohol isnt?
[03:49] <nickrud> context, abuse is abuse
[06:29] <Madpilot> dealt with
[06:47] <bazhang> sorted.
[06:48]  * Madpilot +1s Flannel for op-dom. It's long overdue...
[06:48]  * Flannel realises he's idling in -ops.  After triggering himself.
[06:48] <bazhang> haha
[06:48]  * bazhang seconds the motion
[06:55] <nickrud> it'll take a pronouncement from on high to get flannel to accept
[06:59] <Madpilot> nickrud, apparently I count as "on high"? Who knew? Flannel just indicated in PM that he'd be glad to accept op.
[06:59] <Madpilot> This is, of course, evidence of insanity... :)
[06:59] <bazhang> haha
[07:00] <nickrud> yup, you must be, that's proof positive. He's turned it down more than once
[07:00] <Madpilot> I've been bugging him to accept for ages, off and on.
[07:00] <nalioth> is he drunk?
[07:00]  * nickrud bows before Madpilot
[07:01] <Madpilot> nalioth, if that's a pre-req for op, I need to hit the gin a lot more :)
[07:01] <nickrud> I think he just had a momentary lapse of reason
[07:05] <Madpilot> I have to admit I've almost entirely lost track of who's actually running Ubuntu IRCland recently
[07:05]  * bazhang points to nickrud
[07:05] <Madpilot> who's actually confirming new ops/on the IRC council/etc?
[07:05] <bazhang> oh that
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: the irc council
[07:06] <Hobbsee> supposedly
[07:06] <Hobbsee> but they're also supposed to have 5 members, and hold regular meetings, so....
[07:06] <nickrud> what's left of it
[07:06] <bazhang> confirming; not so much
[07:07] <nickrud> lol bazhang I'm in #ubuntu and that's it, there are many more people doing far more work than I
[07:07] <bazhang> but you are the calming presence nickrud :)
[07:08]  * nickrud gestures obscenely at bazhang in a mneptokian way
[07:08] <bazhang> hehe
[07:08] <Madpilot> so... do we even currently *have* a procedure for new ops and other access list modifications?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> i dobut it
[07:09] <Madpilot> mneptokian... some things should never be verbed...
[07:10] <bazhang> the ubuntu irc operator pages hasnt been updated since forever, if that equals confirmed
[07:11] <nalioth> +1 for flannel as op.
[07:11] <nalioth> now you just need to get pricey and elky to agree, and there's your majority of 5
[07:11] <bazhang> :)
[07:17] <bazhang> xavura
[07:42] <jpds> morning
[08:13] <Myrtti> WHAT, FLANNEL ISN'T OPS??!
[08:14]  * Myrtti reads her backlog
[08:14]  * Myrtti giggles
[08:28] <bazhang> phew
[08:43] <Myrtti> !test
[09:12] <ikonia> I hate this type of issue
[09:12] <ikonia> a guy comes in says wtf
[09:13] <ikonia> asked not to, he says he's tired, so his concentration slipped
[09:13] <ikonia> then come back when your not that tired
[09:13] <ikonia> I'm awake I'm awake
[09:14] <ikonia> the excuse backfires and then it changes to "I've got medical conditions"
[09:14] <bazhang> my brother has medical conditions is next
[09:15] <ikonia> ha ha
[09:15] <ikonia> genuinly laughing, nice come back
[09:15] <bazhang> thanks :)
[09:16] <jussi01> hehe
[09:16] <bazhang> must be full moon
[09:18] <Myrtti> that would explain yesterday
[09:18] <bazhang> :)
[09:18] <Myrtti> I swear to Gaia, I've not seen that much idiocy in air for a looooong time
[09:19] <bazhang> twas epic
[09:19] <jpds> It's summer, the trolls are not working.
[09:20] <bazhang> windowsxp (name) was my favorite
[09:21] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/39982183
[09:22] <ikonia> did you have a fun night last night ?
[09:25] <Myrtti> you could say that
[09:25] <ikonia> it was all quiet when I looked in before going out
[09:25] <Myrtti> count your blessings
[09:25] <bazhang> its always quiet before you leave.
[09:26]  * ikonia has the gift
[09:26] <bazhang> the one moment you turn away though...
[09:27] <jpds> Yep.
[11:25]  * Myrtti yawns
[11:26] <Myrtti> anything intresting going on?
[11:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: I was just thinking the same thing...
[11:26] <ikonia> I've found a really interesting tool fedora developed that looks like it has some potential for ubuntu
[11:26] <ikonia> I'm having a little play with that
[11:26] <ikonia> thats "interesting"
[11:26] <Myrtti> I just had an intresting nap
[11:26] <Myrtti> while waiting for a debian netinst image to download
[11:28] <jussi01> ikonia: what is it?
[11:29] <ikonia> the cd respin utility
[11:30] <elkbuntu> i thought there was already an ubuntu respin utility
[11:30]  * jussi01 thought so also...
[11:30] <ikonia> there are ways, I'm just quite impressed at how this one works, very tidy
[11:31] <ikonia> one of the things that this seems to have a little potential for is cross host/arch/media and even distro compatability
[11:31] <ikonia> I'm only poking around as I think it's quite cleverly put together
[11:32] <elkbuntu> im currently playing with a util called unetbootin, trying to get something resembling a livecd to boot off a usbkey so i can install in this damn eeepc
[11:33] <jussi01> !usb | elkbuntu
[11:33] <jussi01> :P:P:P
[11:35] <elkbuntu> why do all that if this thing does it all for me?
[11:38]  * jussi01 laughs evilly
[11:41] <ikonia> why is envy becoming the default for everyone
[11:41] <elkbuntu> because we dont curse it anymore
[11:42] <ikonia> "I'm having issues with nvidia" first thing everyone jumps on is "envy"
[11:45] <elkbuntu> it's a hard habit to break
[11:45] <elkbuntu> im glad we're hearing much less of ax now though
[11:45] <ikonia> ax ?
[11:45] <elkbuntu> automatix
[11:45] <ikonia> ooh yes
[11:45] <ikonia> thats gone away properly, very pleased with that
[11:46] <elkbuntu> autobreakix
[11:46] <ikonia> I'm glad the "war" has stopped too
[11:46] <ikonia> that was the killing part of it
[11:46] <elkbuntu> yeha
[11:46] <elkbuntu> there are never any winners in wars
[11:46] <ikonia> nope, everyone lost
[11:46] <elkbuntu> yup
[11:47] <elkbuntu> it's about who lost least
[11:47] <ikonia> well....it's gone and I see that as a positive thing
[11:47] <elkbuntu> there's a good churchhill quote to the tune of the above
[11:49] <elkbuntu> at least i think it's churchill
[11:57] <elkbuntu> oh you are f...... someone just found -au-chat
[11:57] <elkbuntu> by 'just i mean about 20 minutes ago, and by -au-chat i mean both it and -au
[11:58] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ?
[11:58] <jussi01> someone?
[11:58] <Myrtti> whut?
[11:58] <elkbuntu> jussi01, yes. a certain someone.
[12:03] <elkbuntu> hmm, she actually found it this afternoon
[12:06] <Myrtti> erh.
[12:06] <Myrtti> dmseg at ot
[12:09] <Myrtti> what the hell is he up to
[12:12] <ikonia> I wonder how the audit is going ;)
[12:23] <ikonia> what site is dmesg on about ?
[12:24] <Myrtti> http://rohan.ueuo.com/ - his own
[12:24] <ikonia> oh, he's pushed that a few times in ubuntu
[12:24] <Myrtti> for god sake
[12:24] <ikonia> I think we have the key
[12:24] <ikonia> [quote] I am 14-years old [/quote]
[12:25] <ikonia> that makes sense now
[12:25] <Myrtti> WHERE IS THAT??
[12:25] <ikonia> on his site
[12:25] <elkbuntu> on the site
[12:25] <ikonia> now it make sense
[12:25] <elkbuntu> read the paragraph on the site and rofl
[12:25] <ikonia> (not that being 14 year old is bad) but his mannerisms
[12:26] <elkbuntu> are quite stereotypically accurate
[12:26] <Myrtti> okies.
[12:26] <Myrtti> that *would* explain things.
[12:27] <Myrtti> Pedo mellon a minno.
[12:27] <jussi01> ok, I need to actually see that someone reads my blog... anybody care to make a few nice! comments?
[12:27] <ikonia> jussi01: url
[12:28] <jpds> hmm
[12:28] <jussi01> jussi01.com
[12:28] <jussi01> now he is trying @btlogin?
[12:28] <Pici> o.O
[12:28] <jussi01> sigh...
[12:28] <jpds> jussi01: Where?
[12:28]  * Pici sighs @ #kubuntu
[12:29] <Pici> that works ;)
[12:29] <ikonia> jussi01: I've read that before
[12:29] <jussi01> comments then!!
[12:29] <Myrtti> commented already
[12:29] <jussi01> jpds: you stole my thunder!!
[12:29] <ikonia> ok ok
[12:29] <jpds> jussi01: Oh mein Gott.
[12:30] <ikonia> jussi01: I've just put a link on my site to yours, hows that for commitment :)
[12:31] <jussi01> ikonia: great :D
[12:31] <jussi01> ikonia: what is your site?
[12:32]  * jpds wonders what dmesg did here: http://rohan.ueuo.com/index2.htm
[12:32] <ikonia> down at this second as the box is running a fedora upgrade
[12:32] <ikonia> jussi01: give it 25 mins and it will be back
[12:32] <Myrtti> jpds: catted some binary file
[12:32] <Pici> I was thinking the same thing
[12:33] <jpds> Myrtti: Aww, I wanted his boot to be messed up..
[12:33] <Pici> `reset` would have fixed it
[12:36] <ikonia> what the devil is this guy on about ?
[12:38] <jussi01> someone shoot im already...
[12:40] <elkbuntu> we dont actually have grounds to atm
[12:40]  * Pici thinks we should lay off him
[12:40] <Pici> or at least give him a little slack, maybe he'd focus his energy to something more constructive.
[12:41] <elkbuntu> like auditing us out of the blue?
[12:41] <ikonia> I'm not on him, I just don't understand what he's trying to acomplish, and why he's name dropping people he appears to have never had a public conversation with
[12:41] <Myrtti> for crying out loud
[12:42] <gnomefreak> no CC meeting?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> its on fridge for today
[12:42] <Pici> Maybe there was a translation error for 'auditing', because tht makes no sense.
[12:42] <elkbuntu> apparantly not
[12:43] <elkbuntu> Pici, you werent around the other day?
[12:43] <Pici> elkbuntu: I wasnt...
[12:44] <elkbuntu> * dmseg (n=luke@unaffiliated/dmseg) has joined #ubuntu-ops
 hello, auditing will start now at 6:02PM IST (non-freenode) time every conversation will be loged and displayed on public boards for auditing thankyou
[12:45] <gnomefreak> and the point of it is?
[12:45] <Pici> elkbuntu: well... maybe not a translation error, but that still doesnt make sense...
[12:45]  * Pici facedesks
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Pici: it does for the most part
[12:45] <Pici> gnomefreak: 'why'?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Pici: why? auditing without looking it up is observing/logging than commenting/criticing
[12:46] <gnomefreak> maybe poor choice of words
[12:46] <gnomefreak> but its used nomrally when someone breaks laws/rules
[12:47] <gnomefreak> they look into it
[12:47] <Pici> gnomefreak: No. I understand what auiditing is.
[12:47] <ikonia> I wonder if any of the guys he name dropped are actually aware of him ?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: what part doesnt make sense?
[12:47] <elkbuntu> ikonia, they're probably aware of something gnawing at their ankles
[12:47] <Pici> gnomefreak: having joe random come in here and do it.
[12:47] <elkbuntu> or at least long enough to kick it off
[12:48] <gnomefreak> we can remove whomever and for whatever reason
[12:48] <Pici> elkbuntu: What day was that? I want to check the published logs
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i want to know what the content will be used for and why is he going to atttempt to do this
[12:48] <elkbuntu> 12th about midday sometime
[12:49] <gnomefreak> saterday
[12:49] <ikonia> gnomefreak: he told me the feedback was "positive"
[12:49] <ikonia> ??
[12:49] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, you have missed so much, m'dear
[12:49] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, we've entered a new phase of opping where we're chastised for disciplining trolls if they scream loud enough
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i notice but noone can really answer my question so it doesnt look like many/any understand why he is attempting it
[12:49] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, because nobody has a clue wth he's doing
[12:50] <gnomefreak> whos idea was this, this happened whil ei was gone from jan > may
[12:50] <gnomefreak> idea == new op procedures?
[12:50] <elkbuntu> certain annoying people who perceive that they got their way with the cc
[12:51] <gnomefreak> dmes doesnt bother me to much (topic says or said we have the right to remove people  ect...
[12:51] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: that would be emma and the other 2 people
[12:51] <gnomefreak> names escape me
[12:52] <elkbuntu> kahrytan being the second, not sure who you're thinking of other than that
[12:52] <gnomefreak> none of that has anything to do with logging the channel though so they cant use that as excuse to set us up (us being anyone/everyone
[12:52] <elkbuntu> probably emma's co-conspiritor.
[12:53] <ikonia> nah, he's just a young guy trying to get involved with $something
[12:53] <elkbuntu> mind you, merely talking about them now risks them barging in to tell us off for merely communicating
[12:53] <gnomefreak> there was someone that nick started with a b but he wasnt on agenda but decided to speak interupting the meeting
[12:53] <elkbuntu> heavens forbid you be kept in the loop and all, in a public channel since we're supposed to stay transparent and a private channel would not be one hence we cannot have one.
[12:54] <jpds> ikonia: I know how people like that can be sometimes..
[12:54] <bazhang> haha
[12:54] <gnomefreak> one of Hobbsee and emmas friend/aquantence pmed me during the meeting because he didnt know how to take it ( i have learned to not give info to people every if personal agenda behide it
[12:55] <elkbuntu> im not sure hobbsee and emma have any mutual friends
[12:55] <ikonia> jpds: exactly, youthful exuberence
[12:55] <gnomefreak> now dmesg is doing something that can be taken as a hostile action, logging/auditing channel to log everything an op does so if ops says "insert user is a troll" he can go to CC and bark
[12:55] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: they do did from what he said
[12:56] <gnomefreak> let me see if i can find his nick
[12:56] <elkbuntu> he could well be inventing friendship somehow
[12:56] <Hobbsee> oh, what fun do we have here now?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> dont see his nick anywhere
[12:57] <Pici> out out damned spot
[12:57] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: very possible
[12:57] <elkbuntu> Pici, you sound like you're quoting mcbeth
[12:57] <elkbuntu> or, lady mcbeth
[12:57] <Pici> elkbuntu: I was indeed.
[12:57] <Myrtti> everything seems so... dark
[12:58] <Myrtti> almost... black.
[12:58] <Pici> Why? I dont know, it just popped into my head.
[12:58] <Myrtti> yes... bllllaack.
[12:58] <Myrtti> MUST PAINT THE BLACK OUT!
[12:58]  * Mez hugs Myrtti
[12:58] <bazhang> more like the stones
[12:58]  * Myrtti hugs back
[12:58] <gnomefreak> black == sleep but i cant for atleast 13 more hours
[12:59] <Myrtti> though I do think the Fast Show - Babylon 5 crossover jokes were the best
[12:59] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: me either.
[13:00] <gnomefreak> its lunch time in berlin right?
[13:01] <Myrtti> Kosh exits his cabin: "This season I 'ave been mosely wearin' my encounter suit!"
[13:01]  * Pici never watched B5
[13:02] <Myrtti> three psycore cops sitting by a desk. after a while: copper 3: "I'll get me coat"
[13:02] <ikonia> just talking to an op in ##linux-ops he's nothing to do with the channel
[13:02] <ikonia> he asked about mirrors, they rejected it as no-one wanted it, he asked about bots, they didn't want one
[13:02] <Myrtti> and still he's pushing
[13:03] <ikonia> apprantly he's a bit of a thorn in their side trying to help out but doesn't have any skills they want
[13:10] <jpds> Can someone tell me what https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=1 gives them?
[13:10] <Pici> jpds: The same thing that it gave the last time I looked at it and laughed
[13:11]  * gnomefreak looks
[13:11] <jpds> Pici: Thought so.
[13:11] <Pici> jpds: (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
[13:11] <jpds> www.cacert.org uses an invalid security certificate.
[13:11] <gnomefreak> yeah new feature
[13:11] <gnomefreak> you can get it anyway
[13:11] <gnomefreak> just add exception
[13:12] <Pici> It may have been complaining about it being self signed the last time I looked, but it was definitly giving me a security error
[13:13] <gnomefreak> its not really an error its just firefox cant confirm the cert. due to it being self signed
[13:14] <gnomefreak> it sounded alot better before it was implented
[13:35] <Pici> ...
[13:35] <Pici> limcore
[13:37] <Hobbsee> Pici: what about him?
[13:37] <bazhang> ugh
[13:37] <Pici> Hobbsee: in #ubuntu, complaining. * LimCore bitchslaps someone for making applications start silently and connect to inet without question... what is this, windows?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> kmail doesn't.
[13:38] <ikonia> staight away "why the F"
[13:38] <Hobbsee> Pici: point out to him that kde saves sessions by default.
[13:38] <ikonia> he's had enough language warnings and knows the deal
[13:38] <bazhang> indeed.
[13:39] <bazhang> he had a project (allegedly) called stfu
[13:39] <Hobbsee> tell him he knows where he can get support instead
[13:39] <Hobbsee> he knows about the 'premier ubuntu channel'
[13:40] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: oooh, there's one of those too?
[13:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: dude, have you been living under a rock for the past....like...6 months?
[13:41] <Hobbsee> it has a certain female mentioned here earlier running it.
[13:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yeah, I have been less observing lately
[13:43]  * Tm_T is an old hermit
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's the place that many people were getting recruited to
[13:43] <Tm_T> aaah, that one
[13:43] <Tm_T> I think I remember the thing now
[13:55] <Hobbsee> ikonia: heh, nice call
[13:55] <ikonia> enough is enough
[13:55] <ikonia> he does this on a regular basis
[13:55] <ikonia> it adds no value and just serves to cause a row
[13:56] <ikonia> he's not interested in fixing any issues, just ranting about what a failure ubuntu is
[13:56] <Pici> holarious quality?
[13:57] <jpds> ikonia: Who, where?
[13:57] <ikonia> he's not native english, can't call him on that
[13:57] <ikonia> jpds: limcore in #ubuntu
[14:04] <Hobbsee> pity.  i can't blame it on his binary driver.
[14:05] <ikonia> I don't doubt he has valid bugs, it's how he goes about it
[14:05] <Hobbsee> oh, sure
[14:05] <ikonia> "ubuntu is rubbish, total failure ubuntu should make everything work"
[14:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[14:05] <ikonia> it's regular as clock work
[14:05] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised that he's the only one who's found that bug though.
[14:05] <ikonia> it's not a common used application, although I'm surprised it got through test
[14:05] <ikonia> assuming he's using the repo versions
[14:06] <Hobbsee> it probably wasn't tested.
[14:06] <Hobbsee> at least, not since the later version of X
[14:06] <ikonia> which repo is it in ?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> ours
[14:06] <ikonia> I mean multi/uni/core
[14:06] <Hobbsee> smackdown.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> universe
[14:07] <ikonia> smackdown ?
[14:07] <ikonia> oh
[14:07] <Hobbsee> oh, there's a later version of it
[14:08] <elkbuntu> the fun thing is that half the stuff he comes up with wouldnt happen in windows or mac either
[14:11] <elkbuntu> bedtime mydearies. dont let the trolls bite too hard
[14:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:11] <Hobbsee> well, intrepid has the working version, so...
[14:11] <elkbuntu> if you must feed them, remember the chainmail glove
[14:11] <Hobbsee> as to why it's taken this long for anyone, especially him, to do anything constructive about it, i don't know.
[14:12] <elkbuntu> huh?
[14:12] <Hobbsee> uh, boltclock...wasn't he in here for that quit message?
[14:13] <ikonia> Hobbsee: good call
[14:13] <ikonia> where is he ?
[14:13] <ikonia> I keep missing him and he's not responded to a pm
[14:13] <Hobbsee> he just quit #ubuntu
[14:13] <ikonia> rats
[14:13] <Hobbsee> [23:12] <-- BoltClock has left this channel ("Remember: don't use `sudo rm -rf /`!").
[14:14] <ikonia> yeah, he's still got that
[14:14] <ikonia> I sent him a pm but looks like he's not changed it,
[14:14] <elkbuntu> banforward him here
[14:14] <elkbuntu> by orders of a councillor.
[14:14] <elkbuntu> and memo him and pray he figures how to see it
[14:14] <ikonia> it seemed a bit harsh as he's not at fault, but because he keeps being missed I guess we'll have to
[14:15] <elkbuntu> try a memo first then if you're unsure
[14:15] <elkbuntu> but nobody says 'dont press the red button' without expecting people to try press said red button
[14:15] <ikonia> ok, I'll leave a memo and see if I can catch him online as few people pickup memoserv
[14:15] <ikonia> but failing that I guess ban forward him
[14:15] <ikonia> I know, thats why it seems sensible to change it
[14:16] <elkbuntu> and why he has no excuse not to
[14:16] <ikonia> got him
[14:16] <ikonia> he's online
[14:16] <elkbuntu> cool
[14:17] <elkbuntu> i'm going to bed since my washing has finished and my left eye has closed for the night already
[14:17] <elkbuntu> no, it's my right eye
[14:17] <ikonia> good night,
[14:17] <elkbuntu> im going to bed since i cant tell my left from my right
[14:20] <jussi01> night elkbuntu
[14:21] <Hobbsee> i'm pleased to see that he's gone silent, once there is actually a fix
[14:21] <ikonia> it's changed
[14:21] <Hobbsee> and, it's actually the fault of the upstream guys, as they didnt' fix their broken software quickly enough
[14:22] <ikonia> nicley fixed
[14:22] <Hobbsee> and that we didn't pick it up
[14:43] <ikonia> any idea what unavailable in #ubuntu is really after, he's being very dubious about what he's actually asking for
[17:06] <jussi01> oh yummy
[17:06] <Pici> darn, I need to make that hilight do the whole line
[17:08] <RobertBopkins> hello
[17:08] <Myrtti> lol as ident and heh as realname
[17:08] <Myrtti> really assuring...
[17:08] <RobertBopkins> When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $400 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there in the Internet.
[17:09] <ikonia> RobertBopkins: are you attempting to waste peoples time ?
[17:09] <Pici> jussi01: did you mean to forward this here?
[17:09] <RobertBopkins> do you think this is a joke?
[17:09] <RobertBopkins> i installed ubuntu the other day, and it asked me for my creditcard
[17:10] <RobertBopkins> i will not stand for ubuntu scamming people
[17:10] <RobertBopkins> like this
[17:10] <ikonia> RobertBopkins: where did you get the CD from ?
[17:10] <RobertBopkins> the internet
[17:10] <ikonia> RobertBopkins: where on the internet
[17:11] <RobertBopkins> www.ubuntufree.on.nimp.org
[17:11] <ikonia> ahh so thats just spam
[17:11] <ikonia> can we stick a ban on him
[17:11] <jussi01> right then
[17:11] <Myrtti> what is that url?
[17:11] <Pici> done
[17:12] <Myrtti> noted that the most recent exploiter had also given that url on #ubuntu
[17:12] <ikonia> exploit
[17:12] <ikonia> surly thats kline ?
[17:12] <Myrtti> then it might be time to poke s t ff
[17:12] <Pici> Myrtti: anything that is something.nimp.org or something.pasteplace.net is a shocksite-java-browsercrash-etc-badthing site
[17:12] <Myrtti> ah
[17:12]  * Pici pokes stuff
[17:13] <jpds> Pici: Hmm, you hilighted me.
[17:13] <Myrtti> Pici: "ha   ha"
[17:13] <Pici> jpds: yay
[17:16] <Myrtti> Pici: was that an automatic kick or did you do it by hand?
[17:17] <ikonia> strying to get hold of staff in #freenode now
[17:17] <ikonia> may have to summon them as thats not a cool thing to post
[17:17] <ikonia> !staff
[17:19] <jussi01> Pici: thanks for sorting that
[17:19] <Pici> jussi01: np
[17:23] <ikonia> quite a clever way to launch an exploit through flash
[17:25] <nalioth> Myrtti: anything 'on . ni mp . org' should be an autokickban
[17:25] <ikonia> good to know
[17:25] <ikonia> why do hosts allow that ?
[17:25] <ikonia> someone must have setup ubuntuisfree dns entry
[17:26] <TheSheep> uh, oh, the !rosetta factoid has wrong url
[17:26] <Myrtti> !rosetta
[17:26] <Myrtti> and what should it have?
[17:26] <TheSheep> looking for it now
[17:26] <Myrtti> nalioth: "can I please have an autokick on someone mentioning the word whore?"
[17:27] <nalioth> Myrtti: the word '
[17:27] <nalioth> whore' doesn't damage folks' systems or deliver malware
[17:27] <Myrtti> nalioth: note quotes
[17:27] <Myrtti> :-P
[17:28] <TheSheep> Myrtti: maybe https://translations.launchpad.net/ ?
[17:28] <TheSheep> or just https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[17:32] <Myrtti> !rosetta ~= /https:\/\/launchpad.net\/rosetta\/+about/https:\/\/launchpad.net\/rosetta/
[17:32] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[17:34] <jussi01> !no, rosetta is <reply>rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language. See https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[17:35] <jussi01> !rosetta
[17:35] <jussi01> :)
[17:35] <TheSheep> jussi01: thanks
[17:43] <jussi01> TheSheep: no probs
[17:55] <Myrtti> jussi01: lol, see what ubottu did just on -ot
[17:55] <Pici> Its good no one else is in my office right no, they all would have been staring at me laughing
[17:55] <Pici> s/no/now
[17:56] <jussi01> rofl
[18:26] <jpds> He's gone.
[18:29] <nalioth> y'all be sharp now, trouble may come knocking
[18:47] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Trouble be thy name?
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> I am usually in trouble for something, whats up
[18:48] <Pici> Nothing special
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Nothing more than normal
[18:48] <Pici> Exactly
[18:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Hows things been here.  I have been a bit busy
[18:49] <Jack_Sparrow> I have only checked the channel a few times here and there
[18:49] <Pici> Its been pretty busy here, just regular sort of junk.
[18:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Same network and video issues
[18:50] <Pici> There was a bad flash update that went out, but its been corrected.
[18:51] <Jack_Sparrow> THe occasional clown wanting to run game emulator under wine, in ubuntu installed via wubi and accessible to ntfs prgrams
[18:51] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[19:28] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2671276351/ ♥
[20:21] <PriceChild> I'm happy with Flannel being an op (+1)
[20:24] <ompaul> +77
[20:28] <ompaul> jussi01, ping pong
[20:29] <jussi01> ompaul: ding dong
[20:29] <ompaul> I has too many confusers
[20:29]  * ompaul looks for something to grumble about
[20:29] <ompaul> ahh jussi01 prepare for pm
[20:29] <Myrtti> oh noes it is an ompaul
[20:30]  * jussi01 runs
[20:31]  * ompaul still looks for something to grumble about
[20:31] <ompaul> if jussi01 does do what was asked I will have work to do - and not have time to grumble ;-)
[20:34] <jussi01> ompaul: Im in the middle of ixing my network connection atm - I dont have a dns :/
[20:35] <jussi01> can someone give me a public dns for now?
[20:36] <ompaul> jussi01, just a sec
[20:37] <ompaul> jussi01, this is what I use <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:37] <jussi01> ompaul: Thanks!
[20:37] <ompaul> it is one of those ones funny ones if you get a wrong query on web traffic it sends you some adverts
[20:37] <ompaul> harmless enough
[20:37] <ompaul> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:37] <ompaul> is their other one
[20:39] <jussi01> !test
[20:39] <ompaul> jussi01, if they fail then you got serious problems
[20:39] <jussi01> ompaul: nah, its working now :D
[20:39] <ompaul> good
[20:40] <Myrtti> I was about to give the exact same ip's
[20:40] <ompaul> copyMyrtti is not as funny as lolMyrtti
[20:41] <Myrtti> Now playing "Butterfly" by Rajaton. ♥
[20:41] <Myrtti> ompaul: well I do know opendns.com too...
[20:41]  * ompaul is listening to Mr Bob The Dylan his sellllf
[20:41] <Myrtti> the video of that song by Rajaton has great scenery from Finland
[20:42] <ompaul> ahhh
[20:42] <Myrtti> http://youtube.com/watch?v=oghj7y4hluU
[20:42] <Myrtti> and the lyrics are great too
[20:43] <ompaul> not quite the basshunter
[20:43] <ompaul> hehe
[20:43]  * ompaul runs
[20:43] <TheSheep> great scenery = wall of trees and mist
[20:43] <Myrtti> TheSheep: Finland ♥
[20:45] <TheSheep> boring
[20:45] <Myrtti> hi DBO
[20:45] <ompaul> DBO, helllllo
[20:46] <DBO> hello all
[20:46] <DBO> im looking for the Intrepid roadmap
[20:46] <DBO> need to get gnome-do 0.6 pushed out in time for feature freeze
[20:46] <ompaul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[20:46] <ompaul> not that
[20:47] <DBO> that works
[20:47] <nalioth> DBO: can we help you?
[20:47] <DBO> we got a month
[20:47] <DBO> hmmm
[20:47] <ompaul> nalioth, you do not remember dbo?
[20:47] <nalioth> ompaul: i don't know who that is.
[20:47] <DBO> not unless you can hook me up with an artist, we are kinda doing a release sprint
[20:48] <ompaul> well he could do with a cloak
[20:48] <nalioth> hai, DBO :)
[20:48] <DBO> that help?
[20:48] <DBO> ompaul, hes just messing with me
[20:48] <DBO> i dont ident on this computer a lot
[20:48] <ompaul> most likely
[20:48] <nalioth> just like i mess with all folks who show their slip
[20:48] <DBO> hai nalioth =)
[20:48]  * ompaul wonders what dota is
[20:49] <ompaul> some game of some sort iirc
[20:49] <nalioth> who are all these idling people?
[20:50] <ompaul> nalioth, clear
[20:50] <ompaul> as in they are
[20:50] <nalioth> i poke people on their lack of credentials, because i have no small experience with nick-thieves and social engineers
[20:50] <jussi01> I says we kicks them all out...
[20:50] <ompaul> leave juliu^^x alone thanks ;-)
[20:51] <Myrtti> ompaul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_the_Ancients
[20:51] <nalioth> query their purposes and have at it
[20:51] <ompaul> and I know others will speak for others
[20:51] <ompaul> Myrtti, thanks
[20:51] <ompaul> "Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA" by Swedish musician Basshunter reached the European 2006 charts at #116 and cracked the top ten Singles Charts in Sweden
[20:52]  * ompaul is currently listening to it
[20:53] <ompaul> !kirby
[20:53] <ompaul> !kirby | public
[20:53] <ompaul> some poor person
[20:53] <ompaul> ohh well
[20:54] <Myrtti> !kirby-#ubuntu-offtopic | ompaul
[20:54] <ompaul> ack
[20:56] <ompaul> please check lil-romeo in #u not sure
[20:57] <jussi01> ompaul: Im sorry, Im real busy atm . Ill get you that stuff you asked for soon
[20:58] <ompaul> jussi01, np after the weekend is good
[20:58] <ompaul> most likely better
[21:02] <jussi01> Has anyone seen stdin recently?
[21:04] <jpds> jussi01: Maybe he's getting ready for lugradio? or something..
[21:04] <jussi01> jpds: yeah, good point
[21:05] <Myrtti> talking of which, I should continue cleaning this place up
[21:06] <ompaul> Myrtti, travellog
[21:06] <ompaul> and travelling
[21:06] <ompaul> or log the travelling
[21:06] <Myrtti> you think?
[21:06] <ompaul> I refer to about 48 hours from now
[21:07] <ompaul> no wrong
[21:07] <ompaul> ohh well
[21:07] <Myrtti> hm, was thinking about that today
[21:07] <Myrtti> perhaps I should
[21:07] <ompaul> ok we need supplies
[21:07] <ompaul> and so it is I go to get same
[21:07] <ompaul> later
[21:08] <Myrtti> tatah
[21:11]  * Myrtti sighs, goes to roll the rugs away
[21:14] <PriceChild> Myrtti: ompaul: whover_else: when are you getting here? Will you be at the social thing Friday night?
[21:15] <Myrtti> PriceChild: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=18&month=07&year=2008&hour=12&min=40&sec=&p0=136
[21:15] <Myrtti> that's for my plane
[21:15] <PriceChild> Myrtti: ah so you get here about lunchtime
[21:15] <Myrtti> :-P
[21:16] <PriceChild> wasn't my way easier? :D
[21:16] <Myrtti> yeah, but I'll prolly have a nap and shower before doing anything social
[21:16] <PriceChild> yup
[21:16]  * PriceChild finds details of evening thing
[21:17] <PriceChild> http://lugradio.org/live/UK2008/travel#friday_night
[21:17] <Myrtti> I'm already scared ****less over traveling - haven't packed yet anything else than the tinned reindeer and this place is a mess - and I can't remember my credit card pin and cant print my eticket and am afraid of the travel part - staying awake...
[21:17] <Myrtti> I'm actually quite surprised how calmly I'm acting now
[21:18] <PriceChild> it is scary going abroad on own
[21:18] <PriceChild> well not so scary
[21:18] <PriceChild> but paranoia inducing
[21:18] <PriceChild> for me anyway :P
[21:20] <PriceChild> so yes, Myrtti has no excuse
[21:20] <Myrtti> excuse for what? :-P
[21:21] <Myrtti> for not being at Hogshead that evening?
[21:22] <PriceChild> mmhm
[21:22] <Myrtti> I guarantee nothing - remember I have to leave home about 12hrs before my plane arrives to UK
[21:22] <Myrtti> so I'll prolly stay awake the previous night
[21:22] <Tm_T> kids kids kids...
[21:31] <jussi01> jpds: fyi, I texted him - his internet is screwed,
[21:31] <jpds> jussi01: Right.
[21:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici I did all updates on a gutsy box and still show the old Pidgin version.  What should I look for.
[21:53] <jussi01> !away > gardar`afk
[21:55] <jussi01> hi AfeRaTa
[21:55] <AfeRaTa> hui
[21:55] <Myrtti> horrible!
[21:56] <AfeRaTa> q
[21:56] <Myrtti> awful!
[21:56] <AfeRaTa> my
[21:56] <Myrtti> AfeRaTa: yes?
[21:56] <darkuk> asl Myrtti
[21:56] <darkuk> pyrti :)
[21:56] <ompaul> darkuk, you are in a school in coventry
[21:57] <darkuk> you proxy
[21:57] <darkuk> you lamer the best :)
[21:57] <ompaul> bad call
[21:57] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[21:57] <ompaul> you want to know what I think
[21:57] <nalioth> darkuk: can we help you?
[21:57] <darkuk> my nokia N95 8 gb :)
[21:57] <ompaul> nalioth, he claims a proxy
[21:57] <darkuk> i am Bulgari
[21:57] <darkuk> Bg chackeR
[21:57] <darkuk> :)
[21:57] <nalioth> ompaul: no comprende
[21:57]  * Myrtti mails<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:58] <ompaul> thats a good place to start
[21:58] <Myrtti> ho-HUM
[21:58] <darkuk> bye bye :)
[21:58] <ompaul> idiot
[21:58] <Myrtti> somehow I get a feeling that they might not know they've got a proxy running open like that
[21:59] <jussi01> gah, what did I miss...
[21:59]  * nalioth has no idea
[21:59] <ompaul> Myrtti, if they have an open proxy they will be banned from freenode
[21:59] <ompaul> 99% of the time
[22:00] <ompaul> http://www.thw.coventry.sch.uk/
[22:00] <ompaul> Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:05] <Myrtti> is there any tuition on schools in UK at this time of year?
[22:05] <ompaul> there can be
[22:06] <ompaul> exchange students etc
[22:06] <ompaul> ask PC for details
[22:07] <Myrtti> seems to be
[22:07] <ompaul> that school is open until 18th July
[22:07] <Myrtti> looked at their schedule
[22:07] <Myrtti> yup
[22:07] <ompaul> damn I would not like us to be the bad guys ;-)
[22:07] <ompaul> woo would not be good for your network
[22:07] <ompaul> we take you on official and unofficial programs
[22:08] <Myrtti> I find it somewhat disturbing that his host is what it was
[22:08] <Myrtti> and the ident
[22:08] <jussi01> Myrtti: errr, wait a second... you arent???
[22:08] <ompaul> I had this years ago with a school
[22:08] <Myrtti> am I paranoid, writing this email?
[22:09] <jussi01> Myrtti: no
[22:09] <ompaul> wait until tomorrow when they are there and this person is not
[22:09] <ompaul> or at least is otherwise occupied
[22:09] <ompaul> and send a copy to attendance :)
[22:09] <ompaul> under separate cover
[22:10] <jussi01>  /me is glad ompaul is on his side :D
[22:10] <ompaul> hehe
[22:16] <elkbuntu> +1 for flannel as op
[22:17]  * elkbuntu heads to the trains
[22:18] <ompaul> AfeRaTa, ohh hi
[22:18] <ompaul> ban avoidance really is against network aup
[22:18] <AfeRaTa> who is the bitch ? :)
[22:19] <ompaul> nalioth, look who is back
[22:19] <ompaul> hmm
[22:19] <ompaul> but why I ask myself
[22:20] <nalioth> well, well, well
[22:20] <ompaul> I think you can do something with that I take it
[22:20] <darkuk> :)
[22:20] <ompaul> and here we go again
[22:21] <ompaul> nalioth, that is three IPs I got for ya that are proxies :)
[22:21] <ompaul> ahh
[22:22] <ompaul> I would gladly let him in as someone else time and again
[22:22] <ompaul> Myrtti, so now you know it is a proxy user :)
[22:22] <Myrtti> so would I
[22:22] <Myrtti> are you sure proxy, not cracked root account=?
[22:22] <mneptok> "we outsourced our proxy scanning to bulgaria."
[22:22] <nalioth> either way, they need sorting
[22:23] <Myrtti> would someone want to be in cc of this email? pm address
[22:23] <jussi01> Myrtti: me please
[22:23] <jussi01> you have my addy
[22:25] <Myrtti> anyone else? hitting [ Send ] in 15s
[22:25] <nalioth> Myrtti: me at gmail.com
[22:25] <nalioth> me being my nick
[22:25] <nalioth> :)
[22:25] <ompaul> Myrtti, if you can find me ;-)
[22:32] <Myrtti> I've written too many emails in my life.
[22:33] <Myrtti> what is bubbling in -ot?
[22:34]  * PriceChild throws Myrtti in head first
[22:35] <ompaul> @btlogin
[22:35]  * ompaul does research
[22:37] <nalioth> i guess i'm a geek when i recognize geekcode
[22:41] <PriceChild> There seem to be 3 +1s for Flannel from the council, who wants to poke him?
[22:42] <nalioth> when did elky speak up?
[22:43] <PriceChild> 26 minutes ago
[22:44] <ompaul> asked to get in here
[22:44] <ompaul> you can has fun then
[22:44]  * ompaul is going to bed
[22:44] <PriceChild> He seems to be away atm anyway.
[22:44] <ompaul> so you can call later
[22:44] <ompaul> :)
[22:44] <nalioth> he'll come back to a horrible surprise, won't he then?
[22:44] <jussi01> PriceChild: we need to sort out this ubuntu studio thing
[22:45] <PriceChild> jussi01: yup
[22:45] <ompaul> what is the problem / lack of a problem with it
[22:45] <jussi01> mma has given me the resonsibility for getting it done
[22:45] <PriceChild> could you clarify on what it is to be done?
[22:45] <PriceChild> or is it letting us choose?
[22:45] <ompaul> logtastic
[22:45]  * ompaul revs up
[22:46] <jussi01> PriceChild: the latter - we would like a council proposal
[22:46] <PriceChild> jussi01: right ok.
[22:46] <jussi01> PriceChild: Ive not been party to this process before, so I guess Im still learning
[22:47] <PriceChild> jussi01: but basically along the lines of "happy with the council overlooking the #ubuntustudio project on freenode" kinda thing?
[22:47] <jussi01> PriceChild: exactly :)
[22:47] <PriceChild> jussi01: cool.
[22:48] <jussi01> PriceChild: we want to be in line with normal ubuntu policy as possible :)
[22:48] <jussi01> as per a normal official derivative
[22:49] <PriceChild> jussi01: well i guess that means we need to sort out a gcf, (after explaining what that entails to ubuntustudio) get them to approve it, make a little statement somewhere about it.
[22:49] <jussi01> PriceChild: what is a gcf exactly?
[22:49] <PriceChild> group contact form
[22:49] <jussi01> linky?
[22:49]  * Myrtti makes a mental note on 00:49 @,- TGD<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit  ["DSOrganize IRC"]
[22:49] <PriceChild> http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
[22:50] <jussi01> PriceChild: ahh, ok - yes :)
[22:50] <PriceChild> jussi01: basically making freenode know that 'foo' is the 'bar project's spokesperson, and will liase between the two organisations.
[22:50] <PriceChild> well that's the most noticable bit anyway
[22:51] <jussi01> PriceChild: so it doesnt come under the ubuntu hat? or?
[22:52] <PriceChild> jussi01: I would guess that we would refile our existing gcf, tacking the ubuntustudio bit on the end with kubuntu,xubuntu etc. but that's something for us to worry about.
[22:52] <PriceChild> And hopefully after all this, we'll never need to worry about it and everything will be the same as it was before.
[22:52] <jussi01> PriceChild: ahh, ok. but we still need to do one?
[22:53] <PriceChild> It would be handy.
[22:53] <PriceChild> Because of the "Additional channel management capabilities."
 You were told to stop as it was counterproductive and disturbing the normal flow of the channel
[23:22] <Myrtti> which you ignored
[23:23] <Xavura> Well things weren't working, people told me to try things, things which I had tried already numerous times and they didn't work either
[23:23] <Xavura> and everytime someone "helped" it created even MORE problems
[23:23] <Xavura> I wouldn't call that productive, would you?
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Xavura Paid professional support is available
[23:25] <Myrtti> actually, given their solutions should've worked (I've not followed them), yes
[23:25] <Xavura> Oh yeah, that's cute.
[23:26] <Xavura> well nothing seemed to work
[23:26] <Myrtti> we cannot guarantee the quality of help at #ubuntu to each and every user
[23:26] <Xavura> everything created more problems that just kept building up and up
[23:26] <Xavura> I know the support is voluntary
[23:26] <Xavura> I know there are no guarantees
[23:26] <Xavura> but still, it's not good is it
[23:26] <Jack_Sparrow> The solutions should have worked, unless something had been done previously that kept them from working
[23:26] <Xavura> Something that had been suggested by someone, previously
[23:27] <Jack_Sparrow> THat is not the point.  Your attitude is the point of this discussion
[23:27] <Xavura> How would your attitude be after 14~ hours of trying to fix things, only to have more problems be created
[23:28] <Myrtti> well, given that there are 1300 people in #ubuntu, all volunteer, who've tried their best to help you
[23:28] <Myrtti> I *wouldn't* go ranting there
[23:29] <Xavura> How long do these bans last? I kind of need my computer to work.
[23:29] <Pici> They last until we remove them.
[23:30] <Xavura> Guh
[23:30] <Xavura> and how is the time to remove them decided...
[23:30] <Myrtti> and that is dependant on you
[23:31] <Xavura> I mean, not like it matters to you one bit, support is as previously mentioned voluntary... but how long do I have to be stuck without a working computer for?
[23:32] <nalioth> you an always reinstall it
[23:32] <Xavura> Again? No thanks
[23:33] <Xavura> You say it's dependant on me, dependant on *what* exactly?
[23:33] <nalioth> then it seems you "don't need your computer to worK" as you are letting on
[23:33] <Xavura> Not enough to re-install no
[23:33] <Xavura> I have data I will lose, data I can't back up
[23:33] <Pici> 18:27:19 <Jack_Sparrow> THat is not the point.  Your attitude is the point of this discussion
[23:33] <Myrtti> Xavura: the length of your ban is decided by the op placing the ban based on your personal behaviour and the "personal growth" and "attitude adjustment" you show
[23:34] <Myrtti> having said that, I see it's way too late for me to be practising procrastination of sleep with IRC
[23:34] <Xavura> Well is my attittude still bad? If you think that then I may as well go back to Windows because right now I have no attitude at all, I went and vented for a few minutes and while I am not a happy chappy, I am not showing an attitude towards anyone here right now
[23:34] <Xavura> and if you think I am, then you interpret what I say wrong
[23:34] <Myrtti> and I'll continue my personal growth in bed, nini all
[23:35] <Pici> byas Myrtti
[23:35] <Xavura> If not then ok, but I have been accused of having an attitude before while enganging in normal conversation :\
[23:39] <Xavura> Could someone at least scroll up and find the paste that supposedly had my original xorg.conf in
[23:39] <Xavura> So I have something to try...
[23:47] <Myrtti> omg, before I turn in for the night, found this. http://code.google.com/creative/radiohead/
[23:48] <Myrtti> WHOA.
[23:48] <Myrtti> now, really going in bed.
[23:56] <Xavura> How do I set my keyboard layout to en-GB
[23:56] <Xavura> I can't log in without it
[23:56] <Xavura> My password is full of symbols and en-US totally switches everything around
[23:57] <Xavura> Someone already told me but it didn't work...
[23:58] <Xavura> Please? I at least need to get into MY account even if everything is borked
[23:58] <nalioth> Xavura: this is not a support channel.  there are over 200 channels here that can help you with your X11 problem
[23:59] <Xavura> I know it isn't but I am banned from \ubuntu and if I try any other channel I will be redirected to \ubuntu, no?
[23:59] <Xavura> See what I mean about the symbols...