[16:33] <tyhicks> hello
[16:33] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 26 16:33:39 2018 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:33] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:33] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:33] <tyhicks> The generalist role rotation for this week as follows:
[16:34] <tyhicks> CVE Triage: mdeslaur, Bug Triage: leosilva, Community: sarnold, Happy Place: ratliff, sbeattie
[16:34] <tyhicks> An all new version of the USN website (usn.ubuntu.com) will be deployed today
[16:34] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:34] <tyhicks> Please report a bug (https://github.com/canonical-websites/usn.ubuntu.com/issues/) for any issue that you discover
[16:34] <tyhicks> Simon Deziel (sdeziel) provided a debdiff for artful for unbound (LP: #1723900)
[16:34] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:34] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:34] <xnox> tyhicks, will the new website mine cryptocurrencies in javascript?
[16:34] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:35]  * xnox giggles
[16:35] <tyhicks> xnox: not yet but you never know what the future holds
[16:35] <jdstrand> completed: miscellaneous snappy conversations
[16:35] <jdstrand> completed: store reviews
[16:35] <jdstrand> completed: discuss/review PR 4741 - cmd/snap-update-ns: use recursive bind mounts for writable mimic (layouts)
[16:35] <jdstrand> completed: strict snaps on livecd implementation: PR 4714 (address review feedback)
[16:35] <jdstrand> progress: investigate more issues with minecraft and opening URLs
[16:35] <jdstrand> completed: ubuntu-security meeting
[16:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:35] <jdstrand> hah
[16:35] <jdstrand> wait :P
[16:35] <mdeslaur> xnox: it's our new autopkgtest infrastructure
[16:35] <jdstrand> * be responsive to snapd PRs
[16:35] <jdstrand>   - portals (getting close)
[16:35] <jdstrand>   - layouts (landed, needs a little hardening for 2.32)
[16:35] <jdstrand>   - steam-support (blocked on upstream feedback)
[16:35] <jdstrand> * strict mode snaps on livecd (close to landing)
[16:35] <jdstrand> * miscellaneous policy investigations and updates
[16:35] <jdstrand> * prepare for sprint
[16:35] <jdstrand> * lxd snap regression wrt confinement as have time
[16:35] <jdstrand> * create screencast interface as have time
[16:35] <jdstrand> ok, now mdeslaur you're up :)
[16:36] <mdeslaur> you sure your paste buffer is empty now? ;)
[16:36] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:36] <jdstrand> my password is ready to paste
[16:36] <mdeslaur> I just pushed out a sensible-utils update
[16:36] <mdeslaur> and I'm going to work on something new off the list
[16:36] <mdeslaur> I also may have an embargoed issue
[16:36] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[16:36] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:37]  * xnox thinks there is a glitch in jdstrand AI today, and a reboot is required.
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm double-checking gcc-7, gcc-6, and gcc-5 packages with retpoline enabled by default for x86 for sponsoring today.
[16:38] <sbeattie> I'm also examining a glibc built by said compilers
[16:38] <xnox> sbeattie, nice =) gcc-8 as well? it's not default, but is available. And some libraries are coming from gcc-8, and used in userspace. E.g. libitm1 -> opencryptoki, etc.
[16:38] <sbeattie> xnox: not yet, but yeah, I hsuld do that, too
[16:38] <xnox> cool
[16:39] <sbeattie> I need to add the documentation bits to a patch to hardening retpoline options to dpkg, to support hardening=[+-]retpoline and submit to debian
[16:40] <sbeattie> There's other bits and bobs related to retpoline to track down in prep for starting the rebuild
[16:41] <sbeattie> (documentation, double-checking upstream for bug fixes, etc)
[16:41] <sbeattie> I need to prep a bit for the sprint next week
[16:41] <sbeattie> that'll consume my week, surely. tyhicks, over to you
[16:41] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:41]  * xnox silently pings rbalint to read above status update.
[16:41] <tyhicks> I've got sprint prep
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'll be cleaning up any messes found with the switch to the new USN website today
[16:42] <tyhicks> I need to finalize an LSM stacking demo
[16:43] <tyhicks> I've got an embargoed issue
[16:43] <tyhicks> I'll also be involved in the retpoline by default discussions/uploads/etc
[16:44] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:44] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:45] <tyhicks> oh, he's not around right now
[16:45] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahea
[16:47] <sarnold> sorry, I missed this window entirely! :)
[16:47] <sarnold> I'm on community, short week for me this weeke
[16:48] <sarnold> I expect to review some apparmor patches, then return to brotli MIR, and responding to questions on the openjpeg2 bugs I opened
[16:48] <sarnold> and I ought to try to rebuild my poor little pandaboard before the trip. I don't know how realistic that is :(
[16:49] <sarnold> that's me, chrisccoulson? or ratliff_ if chrisccoulson is still out? (sorry, can't recall)
[16:49] <ratliff_> vacation day for chris_ccoulson :)
[16:50] <ratliff_> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:50] <ratliff_> I have sprint prep. I need to nurse the kpis along and touch up the tutorial. I have some internal tasks that I'm working on.
[16:50] <ratliff_> leosilva: it's up to you
[16:50] <leosilva> I'm bug triage this week.
[16:51] <leosilva> I'm take a look in qpdf cves, some of them has just test as patch - weird.
[16:51] <leosilva> besides that I'll to my hunting
[16:51] <leosilva> tyhicks: it's back to you
[16:51] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:51] <leosilva> s/to/do/
[16:51] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:51] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team suggests that contributors look into merging Debian security updates in community-supported packages. If you would like to help Ubuntu but are not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ for available merges and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details on preparing Ubuntu security
[16:51] <tyhicks> updates. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-hardened. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:52] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:52] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:53] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, sarnold, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!
[16:53] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 26 16:53:30 2018 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-02-26-16.33.moin.txt
[16:53] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:53] <leosilva> tks tyhicks!
[16:53] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:53] <ratliff_> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:55] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[16:58] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks!
[18:59] <tsimonq2> o/
[18:59] <sil2100> o/
[19:00] <bdmurray> o/
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Maybe dmb-ping?
[19:05] <tsimonq2> sil2100:
[19:05] <tsimonq2> grr
[19:05] <tsimonq2> et al
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Maybe take this to the ML?
[19:06] <cyphermox> what?
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Oh hi, that's 3
[19:06] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: grr? Didn't you just edit wiki page about your app today?
[19:06] <sil2100> I guess we might have quorum for a meeting, right?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: grr = I messed up mobile keyboard
[19:08] <rbasak> I will have to run at any moment.
[19:08] <tsimonq2> np
[19:09] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: okay
[19:09] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: I'm perfectly fine, I knew it was tight timing anyways :)
[19:09] <sil2100> I'm a bit torn apart today, bdmurray, cyphermox - could one of you chair the meeting?
[19:10] <cyphermox> ok
[19:10] <micahg> I'm here as well
[19:10] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[19:10] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 26 19:10:54 2018 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:11] <cyphermox> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:11] <cyphermox> sil2100: to add budgie-extras to fossfreedom's PPU set
[19:11] <cyphermox> ^ that's done, cool
[19:11] <cyphermox> bdmurray: to handle mapreri's PPU-addition request
[19:12] <bdmurray> I submitted a bug report to that special project, let me have a look at it.
[19:12] <bdmurray> bug 1747093
[19:12] <bdmurray> I'll ping a TB member about it.
[19:13] <mapreri> bad TB :>
[19:13] <tsimonq2> heh
[19:13] <cyphermox> alrighty
[19:13] <cyphermox> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[19:14] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: the one issue I see though is that typically we ask to have a week's lead time to be able to review the application before doing the DMB meeting
[19:14] <tsimonq2> Yes, I understand.
[19:14] <cyphermox> to be fair, let's make sure that's written down somewhere
[19:15] <tsimonq2> It is, but it's a "should" ;)
[19:15] <rbasak> It's documented already at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess
[19:15] <rbasak> I don't think we need to have a strict policy on it, since we can vote with our...votes as needed.
[19:16] <cyphermox> any DMB members here opposing the review today?
[19:16] <micahg> I know there were some questions of viability of application by email already
[19:16] <bdmurray> I thought rbasak had asked a question about the application.
[19:16] <rbasak> I don't oppose, but I may end up being -1 subject to more information or time.
[19:16] <rbasak> If indeed I'm here to vote.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: That was solved I believe.
[19:17] <rbasak> I am still struggling to understand exactly what is blocking on you not being able to upload these packages.
[19:17] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: I think a response should have been sent to the original query even if it was addresed out of band.
[19:17] <rbasak> I found three uploads. Are there any more?
[19:17] <tsimonq2> There's four packages in main.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Yes, there's quite a bit more.
[19:18] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Sure, apologies.
[19:18] <rbasak> tsimonq2: your third table seems to have uploads that you performed without sponsorship.
[19:18] <rbasak> Which is great for the DMB to review of course.
[19:18] <rbasak> It's useful to have in the application.
[19:18] <rbasak> But first I'd like to understand what you're being blocked in uploading.
[19:19] <tsimonq2> I can't land the stack via the CI Train myself because four packages in the stack aree in main.
[19:19] <rbasak> And the best way to demonstrate that is with a list of sponsored uploads, so we can see your work, what sorts of uploads they were, who sponsored them, etc.
[19:19] <tsimonq2> Sure, I understand.
[19:21] <tsimonq2> For uploads, mitya57 and LocutusOfBorg sponsor things for me nowadays.
[19:21] <tsimonq2> (With Qt.)
[19:21] <tsimonq2> It's a bit hard to see who pressed the button on Bileto but it's been one of them.
[19:22] <rbasak> I found three uploads> FTR, I think three is fine for an experienced uploader helping with transitions etc.
[19:23] <rbasak> I haven't decided how you fit with that for myself yet though, because I'm not sure I understand (yet) your existing contributions.
[19:23] <tsimonq2> OK; ftr I helped with the 5.7.1, 5.9.0, 5.9.1, 5.9.2 transitions  in Debian and Ubuntu  and 5.9.3 and 5.9.4 in  Ubuntu only.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> I did 5.9.3 and 5.9.4 myself, with 5.9.2 being mostly me
[19:24] <tsimonq2> 5.9.0 was a joint effort.
[19:24] <rbasak> OK, but what specifically did that involve for you in Ubuntu?
[19:25] <tsimonq2> 5.9.2+ was merging from Debian or doing Ubuntu-specific uploads.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> 5.9.2 was mostly syncs while 5.9.3+ is Ubuntu-only with the whole stack.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> This also involved the normal transition stuff like no-change rebuilds, etc.
[19:27] <tsimonq2> I did some work with 5.7 but that was *mostly* Mirv and mitya57, both of which have eendorsed my application.
[19:27] <tsimonq2> Does that answer your questions?
[19:28] <tsimonq2> For the record, this is 5.9.4: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/311
[19:28] <tsimonq2> er
[19:28] <tsimonq2> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3113
[19:28] <tsimonq2> With the exception of one qttools upload, that was all me.
[19:30] <tsimonq2> I'm not done yet either, qtwebengine is building and should be ready to land tobnight, as well as qtwebview.
[19:30] <tsimonq2> *tonight
[19:31] <tsimonq2> Is that all for questions? :)
[19:33] <tsimonq2> (Hello?)
[19:33] <rbasak> Can I see some diffs of what you actually uploaded to Ubuntu with sponsorship? I'm not sure how to get that.
[19:33] <rbasak> (apart from the three I found)
[19:34] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.9.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1
[19:35] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtsvg-opensource-src/5.9.3-0ubuntu1
[19:36] <tsimonq2> I'm on mobile so it's taking me a bit, but the 5.9.3 transition was sponsored via Bil
[19:36] <tsimonq2> *Bileto
[19:37] <tsimonq2> I believe LocutusOfBorg did the review and pressed the button.
[19:37] <tsimonq2> 5.9.2 should be similar
[19:38] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.9.2+dfsg-4ubuntu1
[19:38] <tsimonq2> etc.
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Would you like me to find additional uploads?
[19:39] <bdmurray> I personally need some more time to review specifically the diffs rbasak is requesting.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> Sure, no problem.
[19:39]  * LocutusOfBorg is here in case you want some answer
[19:40] <tsimonq2> You can also find a lot on the ubuntu+1 branches of  the packages here: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt//
[19:40] <bdmurray> To be clear I mean more time than I think we have in this meeting.
[19:40] <tsimonq2> Alright, no problem at all.
[19:41] <tsimonq2> Does the rest of the DMB concur?
[19:41] <rbasak> I agree with bdmurray
[19:41] <rbasak> Could you update your application so that we have a link to sponsored Ubuntu diffs please?
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Alright. Can we continue this on the mailing list then? Thd d
[19:42] <rbasak> Yeah
[19:42] <rbasak> Continue on the ML, and we'll schedule another meeting when we're ready.
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Thanks everyone,
[19:42] <rbasak> That diff is one of the three I had found :)
[19:43] <tsimonq2> OK ;)
[19:44] <cyphermox> bdmurray: alright
[19:44] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: So to ease the process I think you could provide us specific links to diffs showing your work.
[19:44] <cyphermox> there's a core dev app for next month, yikes
[19:45] <cyphermox> let's go the rest of this review on the ML, though
[19:45] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Sure.
[19:45] <cyphermox> #topic AOB?
[19:45] <bdmurray> Going back in time - I goofed about the PPU request and didn't email the TB.
[19:45] <bdmurray> I'll fix that today.
[19:46] <mapreri> put an #action to review my ppu bug next time again?
[19:46] <cyphermox> mapreri: alrady there.
[19:46] <cyphermox> #action bdmurray to email the TB about mapreri's PPU.
[19:46] <meetingology> ACTION: bdmurray to email the TB about mapreri's PPU.
[19:46] <cyphermox> anything else?
[19:46] <mapreri> ta :)
[19:47] <bdmurray> I don't think so.
[19:47]  * rbasak has to run
[19:47] <cyphermox> ok, let's wrap this up
[19:47] <cyphermox> who's next chair?
[19:47] <sil2100> I can
[19:47] <cyphermox> ack
[19:47] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[19:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 26 19:47:53 2018 UTC.
[19:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-02-26-19.10.moin.txt
[19:47] <cyphermox> thanks everyone!
[19:48] <bdmurray> cyphermox: thank you for chairing
[19:48] <sil2100> Thanks!
[19:48] <mapreri> bdmurray: can't you just add ~techboard to the bug subscribers?
[19:48] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Er, so uploads that I have upload access to and were sponsored + stuff in main, or just stuff in main?
[19:48] <sil2100> cyphermox: thanks for chairing :)
[19:48] <tsimonq2> Thanks everyone! Much appreciated :)
[19:48] <bdmurray> mapreri: That's not what our documentation regarding the process says.
[19:49] <mapreri> bdmurray: ok (just to me it feels weird to file a bug the target people won't receive and then manually mail *shrug*)
[19:50] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: uploads which you have had sponsored for the four additional packages for which you are requesting upload rights
[19:50] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Sure, will do, thanks!
[22:18] <rbasak> bdmurray, mapreri: it's not in the process because we can't actually do it (ACL restriction).


[15:56]  * marjo waves
[15:57] <apw> o/
[15:57] <pitti> \o
[15:58]  * ara waves
[15:59] <marjo> hi folks; let's get started on time
[15:59] <jdstrand> o/
[16:00] <marjo> #startmeeting
[16:00]  * barry is the cjwatson for the day :)
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is marjo.
[16:00]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:00] <marjo> Natty Release Team Meeting
[16:00] <Riddell> hi
[16:00] <marjo> Please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:01] <marjo> [Topic] Natty overview - marjo
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty overview - marjo
[16:01] <marjo> Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-01-28
[16:01] <marjo> Alpha-2 is next Thursday. 10.04.2 is due in just under three weeks.
[16:02] <marjo> Milestoned bugs for alpha2 can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33572.
[16:02] <zul> hi
[16:02] <marjo> Most of the critical have been resolved, or retargetted to alpha 3, but there are some new ones that have cropped up, that are a bit concerning
[16:02] <marjo> (apport issues in particular - bug 705572)
[16:02] <marjo> any questions?
[16:02] <marjo> ..
[16:03] <pitti> I still need to look into that one, it's on the desktop report
[16:03] <marjo> pitti: thx
[16:03] <marjo> [TOPIC] Action review
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action review
[16:03] <marjo> skaet's action items are in progress.
[16:04] <marjo> # 2010/01/14
[16:04] <marjo> * [leads] please scrub bugs for those that are needed for alpha 2, vs. ok later, so we can focus list - IN PROGRESS
[16:04] <marjo> The bug list has grown a lot (and a few may be misfiled on the WIKI), so please see how many can get closed for alpha2, and move the misfiled ones to where they belong.
[16:04] <marjo> # 2010/01/21
[16:04] <marjo> * [Riddell] clean up kubuntu-dev work items chart.
[16:04] <marjo> Riddell: do you have an update for us?
[16:04] <Riddell> I cleaned it up
[16:05] <Riddell> not sure if the burndown chart has updated yet
[16:05] <marjo> Riddell: ok will mark it as done
[16:05] <marjo> thx!
[16:05] <Riddell> the  kubuntu-dev work items chart doesn't make much sense, none of the specs there are anything to do with kubuntu
[16:05] <marjo> pitti: any thoughts on ^^^
[16:06] <pitti> Kubuntu by and large uses a wiki page, so that chart isn't that useful indeed
[16:06] <Riddell> aye it's not a big problem, we just use the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo wiki page, but it gives a misleading view to others
[16:06] <pitti> I can remove it entirely if desired
[16:06] <marjo> Riddell, pitti: should we just get rid of it?
[16:07] <Riddell> listing only Kubuntu/Todo would be handy
[16:07] <Riddell> missing out the specs which happen to have some kubuntu people assigned bits of them is the issue
[16:08] <marjo> Riddell, pitti: ok, can you please discuss and make a recommendation?
[16:08] <Riddell> yes
[16:09] <marjo> [ACTION] Riddell to discuss with pitti what to do regarding Kubuntu work items chart and make recommendation
[16:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Riddell to discuss with pitti what to do regarding Kubuntu work items chart and make recommendation
[16:09] <marjo> [TOPIC] QA team update - marjo
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:10] <marjo>  * Natty Alpha 2 Work Items
[16:10] <marjo>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:10] <marjo>  On track; hggdh working on server work items
[16:10] <marjo> zul, bdmurray: thx for finishing your work items
[16:10] <marjo>   * weekly testing status:
[16:10] <marjo>  QA Dashboard
[16:10] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:10] <marjo> There's a new metric that shows top 5 with new bugs over the last 7 days. The mean number is over all packages with new bugs, not just the top 5.
[16:10] <marjo> Note how linux, unity and software-center are in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics. That indicates that those packages should continue to be areas of focus for aggresive bug management.
[16:10] <marjo> Please give us feedback on this metric's usefulness and format.
[16:11] <marjo>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[16:11] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:11] <marjo> Note: 298 test cases in 2D mode and 244 in Unity mode
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:11] <marjo>  Server Automated Testing results
[16:11] <marjo>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[16:11] <marjo>  Recent failures were due to AMD64 server images not being available
[16:12] <marjo>  cjwatson: Per your request, the d-i log is now included in the Build Artifacts.
[16:12] <marjo>  Please see http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/LTP-lite/55/artifact/55/test-results/ as an example.
[16:12] <marjo>  ..
[16:12] <marjo> any questions for qa team?
[16:13] <marjo> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - victorp or ara
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp or ara
[16:13] <ara> hello!
[16:13] <ara> The weekly testing report is available, as usual, at:
[16:13] <ara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:13] <ara> This week you will notice that there are less targeted systems. We changed our approach and now we are aiming to obtain a good baseline of systems that are working correctly and are scheduled to be certified for 11.04. We will be adding new systems every week, once we have identified all of the potential issues with these ones.
[16:13] <ara> For servers, no major errors were found, and the untested systems are due to infrastructure issues that we will take care of.
[16:13] <ara> For clients, on the contrary, we found a major Xorg crasher during the installation of the Live CD. This was reported earlier this week by Mario Limoncello and Bryce took care of it, but, unfortunately, his patch does not seem to fix the issue, as we encountered a similar one in yesterday ISOs. We filed a new bug with new information and assigned it to Bryce:
[16:13] <ara> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/708744
[16:13] <ara> The results that we got for clients were obtained using the Alternate CD.
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/708744
[16:13] <ara> ..
[16:14] <marjo> thx ara
[16:14] <marjo> any questions for the HW Cert team?
[16:14] <marjo> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:14] <jdstrand> hi
[16:14] <cjwatson> marjo: yay, thank you
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <jdstrand> Not a lot to report. This last week we have been very busy focusing on stable release updates and have also been fixing security issues in natty. We have no milestoned features or bugs for alpha-2.
[16:15] <jdstrand> ..
[16:15] <marjo> thx jdstrand
[16:15] <marjo> your team looks to be in good shape
[16:15] <marjo> any questions for security team?
[16:16] <marjo> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - apw
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - apw
[16:16] <apw> o/
[16:16] <apw> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:16] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:16] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:16] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:16] <apw> We are heading to the end of natty-alpha-2 with most items closed out, two have been moved out to natty-alpha-3.  All of our pushed out items are listed with background on the overall status above (first link).  We are on the burn-down line for the first time in the milestone, YAY!  Overall burndown we are still below the line, so we are looking good overall.
[16:16] <apw> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:
[16:16] <apw> #344878 ecryptfs long filename are not likely to make natty-alpha-2 and moves out, we will need to make a decision on disabling this shortly;
[16:17] <apw> #539467 SATA alpm is being disabled in userspace, upstream discussions are ongoing;
[16:17] <apw> #542660, #600453, and #681877 (all black screen issues) are waiting for a v2.6.38-rcN based kernel for testing, which is now available in the archive;
[16:17] <apw> #630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;
[16:17] <apw> #636091 still waits testing by the reporter;
[16:17] <apw> #702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb and is with upstream; and
[16:17] <apw> #702166 is unreproducible and now closed.
[16:17] <apw> The other bugs seem to be non-kernel packages, status is recorded on our status page where available (first link above).
[16:17] <apw> Following a long period of instability the x86 suspend issues and some ARM display issues seem to be resolved.  We have therefore uploaded our first v2.6.38 based kernel, the main distro kernel is now at v2.6.38-rc2.  This is aimed for early testing and we are likely to upload a further kernel based on v2.6.38-rc3 on monday for natty-alpha-2.
[16:17] <apw> ..
[16:17] <marjo> thx apw
[16:18] <marjo> apw: re: #344878, when do you plan to make the decision "shortly"? before alpha3?
[16:19] <apw> well i think we should make a decision by then, i suspect its release/server teams ultimate decision as to disposition though
[16:19] <marjo> apw: ack
[16:19] <marjo> any questions for kernel team?
[16:19] <marjo> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - barry
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - barry
[16:20] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:20] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:20] <barry> good news: ratings and reviews has landed for s-c
[16:21] <marjo> barry: congrats to the team
[16:21] <barry> indeed, they've done some great stuff
[16:21] <barry> also: we've fixed about a dozen bugs since the last update
[16:21] <barry> two usb-creator bugs fixes that were annoying lots of people
[16:21] <barry> python27 transition is going well, main looks pretty good, we still have a few minor bugs open but nothing critical and progress is good
[16:22] <barry> upstart work is mostly done, waiting for scott's blessing
[16:22] <Riddell> presumably python2.6 still expected to be in main for final?
[16:23] <barry> i think that's about it, though i could paste the bug statuses that cjwatson forwarded to me if anyone's interested.  or let me know if there's a specific bug you're interested in.
[16:23] <barry> ..
[16:23] <marjo> barry: do you a response to Riddell's query?
[16:24] <barry> Riddell: that's still tbd.  some of us want it, some don't.  we have to decide soon though
[16:24] <barry> i'll take an action to get that decision run to ground
[16:24] <marjo> barry: re: upstart blessing from scott, do you expect to get it before next Monday?
[16:25] <barry> marjo: jhunt_ ?
[16:25] <marjo> [ACTION] barry to drive decision re: python2.6 in main for final
[16:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to drive decision re: python2.6 in main for final
[16:25] <barry> marjo: i'll let you know when/if james responds to pvt query
[16:26] <marjo> barry: ack & thx
[16:26] <marjo> any questions for Foundations team?
[16:26] <marjo> [TOPIC] Server team update - zul or daviey
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - zul or daviey
[16:26] <zul> hi
[16:26] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <zul> Hi, good progress was made in the past week on our Work Items. The trend line is looking good. This weeks highlights include:
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:26] <zul>
[16:26] <zul> * Cloud-init 0.6.0 was released on wednesday which fixed about 9 bugs and closed alot of work items.
[16:26] <zul> * Axis2c FTBFS isbe looked at today we will look at investigating uploading a newer version of axis2c.
[16:26] <zul> * Openstack went gamma today and will be expecting an upload to the archive later today.
[16:26] <zul> * We are waiting for a new upstream release for cluster-agents which fixes a couple of bashisms.
[16:27] <zul> * powernap 2.0 has been released and its looking really good, adds a "powersave" node and many more monitors.
[16:27] <zul> * mcollective has been packaged, it was a colloboration effort.
[16:27] <zul> ...
[16:27] <marjo> thx zul
[16:27] <marjo> any questions for the Server team?
[16:28] <marjo> [TOPIC] Desktop team update - pitti or seb128
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti or seb128
[16:28] <pitti> Blueprint implementation:
[16:28] <pitti> - On track for entire cycle
[16:28] <pitti> - Moved some noncritical WIs to alpha-3, so we are back on track for alpha-2 now. The remaining alpha2 WIs are mostly not code related and thus can happen during the freeze.
[16:28] <pitti> General status:
[16:28] <pitti> - Major unity/compiz update landed on Thursday; another bunch is expected next Monday, to bring back a reasonably usable Places component back.
[16:28] <pitti> - New X.org stack is currently being landed, in time for alpha-2. It previously got tested in the xorg-edgers PPA, so it should not cause too much disruption.
[16:28] <pitti> - LibO caused quite some CD growth (libreoffice-core grew by 10 MB, calc+writer by 2.6 MB), plus extra libreoffice-filter-binfilter dependency which has been dropped again now; tomorrow's dailies should be back within size limit.
[16:28] <pitti> C bug status:
[16:28] <pitti>  - We got a large number of new incoming ones, grinding through them now; nothing that totally breaks Alpha-2 yet.
[16:28] <pitti>  - Details on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:28] <pitti> ..
[16:28] <pitti> that should be "R"C bug status, of course
[16:29] <barry> marjo: follow up on upstart: james doesn't know as scott is still settling into his new job.  one merge request outstanding, and he will ping scott for progress
[16:29] <marjo> thx pitti
[16:30] <marjo> barry: thx for the update; i was just wondering as it relates to alpha2 next week
[16:30] <barry> ack
[16:30] <marjo> any questions for Desktop team?
[16:31] <marjo> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:31] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:31] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above
[16:31] <joshuahoover> i need to clean up our alpha 2 bugs...i'll be doing that today
[16:31] <joshuahoover> released new packages for u1-client, u1-control-panel and sso-login which include the latest and greatest work related to the UI (mostly control panel) and also bug fixes
[16:31] <joshuahoover> work continues on unity integration, which includes the u1 launcher item and integrating notifications with the launcher item
[16:32] <joshuahoover> the resumable file uploads feature in syncdaemon was close to being ready for release until we hit a wall with resuming decompression of files this week..we're looking for alternatives to handle this right now...so we're behind on that by about 3 days
[16:32] <joshuahoover> overall, we're still on target with new features...depending on what we find with resumable file uploads, we may need feature freeze exception, should know more by mid-next week
[16:32] <joshuahoover> and that's about it
[16:32] <joshuahoover> ..
[16:33] <marjo> joshuahoover: re: unity integration work, anything expected for alpha2?
[16:33] <joshuahoover> marjo: hopefully (is that vague enough?) :)
[16:34] <dbarth> the API landed this week in fact
[16:34] <marjo> joshuahoover, dbarth: ok
[16:34] <joshuahoover> dbarth: right, so that improves the chances :)
[16:34] <dbarth> so U1 would be our first client
[16:34] <dbarth> but i wouldn't blame you for not integrating with it in just 3 days
[16:34] <marjo> any questions for Ubuntu One team?
[16:35] <marjo> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:35] <Riddell> hi
[16:35] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6.0 is in and compiled, blocked on ARM by bug 708714
[16:35] <Riddell>  * CDs building and no longer oversized
[16:35] <Riddell>  * 13 bugs milestoned for alpha 2 http://goo.gl/yGhJd
[16:35] <Riddell>  * bug 705915 and bug 705917 for ubiquity quite important for alpha 2 otherwise not alpha critical (besides ARM being broken)
[16:35] <Riddell>  * Some more green on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:35] <Riddell> ..
[16:36] <marjo> thx Riddell
[16:36] <marjo> any questions for Kubuntu Team?
[16:37] <marjo> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:37] <marjo> dbarth: Thank you for your team's number on closing bugs over the last week.
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:37] <dbarth> hiya
[16:37] <dbarth> the weekly notes are up there as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:37] <dbarth> highlights for the week:
[16:37] <dbarth> new compiz, bamf and libunity weekly releases
[16:37] <dbarth> more a11y enablement
[16:37] <dbarth> Compiz stacking issue 99% fixed, some minor issues remaining that are being worked on
[16:37] <dbarth> Compiz reparenting/gnome-panel/Flash plugin crashing issue fixed
[16:37] <dbarth> Dash slipped until Monday due to two critical GLib bugs. Upstream informed, we are working on fixing/working around.
[16:37] <dbarth> New libunity Launcher item API (emblems, progress and quicklists)
[16:37] <dbarth> Soundmenu: Playlists have landed with support for both Rhythmbox and Banshee.
[16:37] <dbarth> Soundmenu: Spotify is supported.
[16:38] <dbarth> Dbusmenu: Moved the menu parser from appmenu-gtk to dbusmenu-gtk and removed it from libappindicator.
[16:38] <dbarth> Places daemons updated to work with new libunity.
[16:38] <dbarth> No upload of indicator-network this week.
[16:38] <dbarth> Auto-pilot version of unity landing today.
[16:38] <dbarth> With performance statistics counting.
[16:38] <dbarth> En route to automated performance testing framework.
[16:38] <dbarth> First week of our Triage Pilot effort to have someone nominated from the team (together with Alex) to have a daily check on new and updated bugs.
[16:38] <dbarth> (sorry if that looks a bit "blocky")
[16:39] <dbarth> the big thing is that the compiz bug with menus is FIXE! smpillaz rocks!
[16:39] <dbarth> and we have a nasty last minute blocker for the places, down into glib
[16:39] <marjo> dbarth: busy week for your team
[16:39] <pitti> I'm running it here and didn't get it any more indeed \o/
[16:39] <dbarth> trying hard to save places for a2
[16:39] <pitti> (it now breaks focus behaviour, though)
[16:40] <dbarth> focus of?
[16:40] <pitti> (can discuss off-meeting)
[16:40] <dbarth> ah focus at the wm level
[16:40] <pitti> but it's a great improvement
[16:40] <dbarth> ahem, yes ;)
[16:41] <marjo> any questions for DX Team?
[16:41] <ScottK> dbarth: Is bug 707458 on your radar?
[16:42] <dbarth> not at the top of it, but yes
[16:42] <dbarth> i'm hit by hit everyday (using konversation)
[16:42] <dbarth> by it
[16:42] <dbarth> need to get agateau back on that
[16:42] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[16:42] <dbarth> he's been distracted by this renegade unity project ;0
[16:43] <marjo> any more questions for DX Team?
[16:43] <marjo> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra
[16:43] <ogra> Status is at:
[16:43] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:43] <ogra> ..
[16:43] <ogra> Summary:
[16:43] <ogra>  * Unity-2d MIRs are filed minor glitches found by the MIR team are being worked on, if we can find a fix for 705689 in time before A2 we will have it on the images.
[16:43] <ogra>  * Kernel is still 2.6.35 for OMAP 4, TI works hand in hand with linaro now to provide us a 2.6.38 tree, approximately ready for A3
[16:43] <ogra>  * Kernel for OMAP 3 bumped to 2.6.38 now and also saw some DVI fixes by rsalveti
[16:43] <ogra>  * WI work is well going forward
[16:43] <ogra>  * Maverick kernel SRU testing is still in progress
[16:43] <ogra>  * The new unity-places API is supposed to work on natty with unity-2d (testing still pending, the most recent unity-2d upload re-enabled it.
[16:43] <ogra>  * Code for the minimal preinstalled developer images landed in livecd-rootfs (debian-cd changes to come soon) thanks to janimo
[16:44] <ogra> ..
[16:44] <ogra> Specs:
[16:44] <ogra> Entire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[16:44] <ogra> Milestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:44] <ogra> ..
[16:44] <ogra> Serious Bugs:
[16:44] <ogra> bug 705689
[16:44] <marjo> ogra: can you please elaborate on " * Maverick kernel SRU testing is still in progress"?
[16:45] <pitti> they are all in -updates AFAIK
[16:45] <ogra> rightm but not all tested yet
[16:45] <pitti> there's one more in the kernel PPA
[16:45] <ogra> and we wlao often clash with security uploads
[16:45] <ogra> which force the SRU out of -updates
[16:46] <marjo> ogra: understood
[16:46] <ogra> Gruemasetr often has to test twice or three times
[16:46] <ogra> so its an ongoing process
[16:46] <marjo> any questions for ARM team?
[16:47] <marjo> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - ScottK
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[16:47] <ScottK> Nothing particularly new to report.
[16:47] <ScottK> Working on NBS and various transitions.
[16:49] <ScottK> ..
[16:49] <marjo> thx ScottK
[16:49] <marjo> any questions for MOTU Team?
[16:50] <marjo> [TOPIC] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett
[16:51] <marjo> JamieBennett ?
[16:52] <marjo> anybody representing the Linaro Team today?
[16:52] <marjo> uh oh...
[16:52] <marjo> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:53] <marjo> going once
[16:53] <marjo> going twice
[16:53] <marjo> last chance for JamieBennett
[16:54] <marjo> Thanks to ara, jdstrand, apw, barry, zul, pitti, joshuahoover, Riddell, dbarth, ogra, ScottK for a useful and effective meeting.
[16:54] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[16:54] <joshuahoover> thank you marjo!
[16:54] <marjo> thx all!
[16:54] <marjo> #endmeeting
[16:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:54.
[16:54] <barry> thanks marjo!
[16:54] <apw> marjo, thanks ...
[16:56] <jdstrand> thanks marjo


[03:24] <nlsthzn-work> good morning fenris-
[08:15] <bassem> Haden, xnixan , wake up!
[12:54] <bassem> fenris-unity,
[13:19]  * nlsthzn waves
[13:42] <bassem> nlsthzn, waves
[13:51] <nlsthzn> bassem: Hi
[13:51] <bassem> nlsthzn, hi
[13:52] <nlsthzn> bassem: So did you guys have a productive meeting?
[13:53] <bassem> nlsthzn, I can't remember!
[13:53] <bassem> I slept all the time
[13:55] <nlsthzn> Ah, ok... never mind then
[15:02] <bassem> Haden,
[15:12] <Haden> bassem,
[15:32]  * nlsthzn looks confused