 @wayneoutthere, Sure :D post it on the news channel. i didnt think about that :)
 @wayneoutthere, Jep! I thats why i did a call out for dev help :)
 For this one "We also want to make a architecture overview of Ubuntu touch including sources and build instructions for the different parts that powers Ubuntu touch. This will both be nice for Developer and Users alike" This might be a nice thing for developers to get started with development, since right now there is no real info
[00:30] <ubptgbot>  on that is under the hood of ubuntu touch, this makes it really hard to know where to start, what part does what and where is the source
 @mariogrip, with an architecture overview I mean like, what does what. example how gps works "GPS uses ubuntu-location (src) service to get both geoclue and real gps data from the android hal using platform api and libhybris"
 maybe a fancy css js animations webpage showing the things under the hood, but now im just dreaming :P
 I wanted to give people here an update on my MMS issues if others have had the same problems. Recently I was having issues just getting cellular data to work when I inserted my GSM SIM card into my Nexus 5 running 15.03 (r3). What I did was change the Channel to "release candidate" then back to "stable" which allowed me to do
[02:09] <ubptgbot> wnload the stable version 'r3' again. I applied this update again (even though I was already on 'r3'). this quasi update fixed my cellular data issue AND fixed my MMS issues from before. With these facts I have concluded that there is some bug in the 'r3' update that caused my MMS issues and possible other issues related to SIM cards.
 and by Channel I am refering to the 'update channel' found in the update settings
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not really but I take a look. For some reason it does not understand that you merged the PR and again wants to merge 8 changes ;)
 @SaltyCybernaut, Yes, that's the workaround proposed in https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/376 Can you check out if that bug report or this https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/405 is relevant to your issue and add there your experience? Thank you
 Hi all, I'm contacting you to ask your help in installing Ubuntu Touch on OnePlus One. I using the UBports for installation, when I'm rebooting, I select the power + volume up button, I select reboot to bootloader but I get the screen on OnePlus "fastboot mode" with the Cyanogen icons but UBports does not allow me to go ahead with
[08:12] <ubptgbot> the installation. Any suggestions?
 @Giovanni, Helpful if you make a username in Telegram. We can then ping you and invite to the install room
 Ok
 Is there any place to easily read changelogs for 16.04 devel releases?
 @advocatux, No - I don't think so … You can read GitHub commits but this might not help 😜
 @unknown, lol that's why I said "easily" 😆
 @TronFortyTwo, ⬆
 @unknown, Ah, Thank you!
 @advocatux, There was a discussion about automatic changelogs some weeks ago in this group - but it led to nothing
 👍
[09:53] <ubptgbot> Sam Eeer was added by: Sam Eeer
[09:53] <ubptgbot> <Sam Eeer> https://youtu.be/3kxlwXT6pmo
 Spam?
 GET HIM UBFR! @advocatux @Stereofont @UniversalSuperBox @wayneoutthere
 Please, no more spam Sam, or face bam
 😂
 A reminder why you all should use 2FA at least. It's easy with @dohbee new app Authenticator … https://twitter.com/gvarisco/status/983628167872000001
 (A lot of VEVO accounts has been compromised)
 [Edit] A reminder. Why you all should use 2FA at least. It's easy with @dohbee new app Authenticator … https://twitter.com/gvarisco/status/983628167872000001
 (Even if the hack was done by other means, you still should use Authenticator 😉)
 Any news about the Ubuntu touch for nexus 5x?
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 Welcome Markus !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 How is the development of 16.04 proceeding?  Toast?
 @YougoChats, Rolling on the floor yawning
 @wayneoutthere, pay attention, you might miss it
 Achoo! What was that? 16.04!
 @advocatux, I fully support this!
 So @Flohack, I just updated the porting section and updated translations... it changed literally every po-file.
 I don't know what to do about this. I don't think this is sustainable.
 @UniversalSuperBox, This will get interesting yes
 [Edit] I don't know what to do about this. I don't think it's sustainable.
 Welcome @woozy_wolf !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 @Bolly, Thank you very much. 😃
 Awrooooo!
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 Does the bot have any function in this room?
 it's the irc bridge, no?
 the ping@ubports_bot command has no function though
 @CapraNorvegese, Friend even i m waiting eagerly for ubuntu touch for my 5x.
 @CapraNorvegese, LG shall be punished for putting paper instead of thermopads in those phones
 Is there any possibility/app/whatever to manage addressbooks in UT? For example, if I have 2 or 3 addressbooks on my phone and want to edit/remove them etc ?
 there's only the local addressbook, unless you add accounts like google in online accounts. you can toggle access to the contacts for those accounts in online accounts by tapping on each account, which gives you a list of apps that have access to the account
[16:00] <ubptgbot> ignorare was added by: ignorare
 Guys, how much time does the UBports-Installer usually need?
 several minutes, depending on network speed
 Since 10 minutes "Pushing file 1 from 13", that can't be normal?
 @dohbee, Download was finished and ran into error.
 The program requestes: Try again or report bug. I tried again...
 Now it seems to stuck.
 what OS?
 @dohbee, [Edit] Download of all 13 files was finished and ran into error.
 @dohbee, Debian
 quit the installer and try running it with sudo
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/DON3NC3p.png
 @dohbee, I run it as root already...
 oh ok
 not sure then
 Shit...
 Cancelling is not a good option I guess?
 i'd say join @WelcomePlus as that's where install help is usually given
 Okay, thanks!
 I will cancel the installer now...
 Waiting too long already, no?
 yes, if it's stuck no point keeping it stuck
 @ignorare do you have fastboot installed? I got stuck on "pushing file 1 ..." a while back and is was due to not having fastboot
 @DanChapman, I did not install adb, maybe because of that?
 I only installed android-tools-fastboot...
 yeah you will need adb.
 Whats the name of the other one? Android-tools-adb, right?
 yep
 Oh, both already installed I saw right now...
 android-tools-fastboot and android-tools-adb in newest version...
 Started the installer again, now it works!
 😊
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/qA0p6FLj.png
 What should I do on the phone?
 Nothing and waiting until its finished?
 yep just let it run it's course. It should reboot on it's ownb and eventually you will see the setup wizard on the phone
 Works!
 Setup-wizard is there!
 Okay great!
 @DanChapman, [Edit] Maybe I did not install adb, maybe because of that?
 [Edit] I thought I only installed android-tools-fastboot...
 Thank you Dan!
 @ignorare, WOOT! WOOT!!
 😉
 [Edit] Oh, both were already installed I saw right now...
 Thank you very much guys!! 👍
 @ignorare, Is that a port or a known device?
 @ignorare, [Edit] Is that a port or a supported device?
 @gsilvapt, yes. the installer dosen't work with unsupported devices
 Hum, not even when porting is successful?
 not until it becomes a supported device with image builds hosted on system-image.ubports.com
 And that usually is a long process or not quite?
 i don't think it's a particularly refined process yet
 ie, it's not something core devs have been concentrating on making smooth yet, afaik
 Yes, I see.
 i think it's more important to get 16.04 stable first
 now you can see how much the welcome room filters from the supergroup.  Don't forget to hug your UBFR Team today ;)
 @wayneoutthere, 😘👍
 I rank UBFR guys at the very top of importance...
 entry point into UT
 You are brilliant 🤩👍 … /hug_UBFR_Team
[19:00] <akk> Hi, all! Someone is trying to talk me into trying ubuntu touch/ubuports, and I'm shopping nexus 5
[19:01] <akk> but I can't tell from the ubuports device list: is a nexus 5x different from a 5? Will a 5x work as well as a 5?
 @akk, Nexus 5 is a supported device but 5x it isn't. The latter is under development but is facing more problems than normal
[19:04] <akk> Glad I asked!
 LG d820 or d821 nexus 5 16 or 32 GB
 anything else is not a nexus 5
[19:05] <akk> Okay, I'll try looking for d820 (I'm in the US so I think that's the right one).
 yes, d820 is what i have sitting on my desk
[19:07] <akk> Does a d820 work okay with verizon frequencies? I seem to get mixed answers when I search.
 Can someone connect me with the person who made the UBPorts website?
 @akk, I have no idea about Verizon
[19:11] <akk> Most ebay listings for d820 say GSM only. Looks like I'm out of luck.
[19:11] <akk> Are there any tablets (wifi only) that work well, if I just want to experiment with ubu touch and write apps?
[19:12] <akk> I see a 10" listed on the website, hoping for something smaller.
 BQ m10 and m10 FHD http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
 [Edit] BQ m10 HD and m10 FHD http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
 and Nexus 7 (2013) I think
 [Edit] and Nexus 7 (2013) I believe
[19:15] <akk> I noticed nexus 7 was on the device list at the old ubuntu site, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned at all at http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/
 @akk, i think @UniversalSuperBox is using a nexus 5 on vzn. not sure what the speifics are of that, though
 @akk, to just experiment and write apps, you might be able to install the x86 unity8 builds on 16.04 in a qemu/kvm, for testing.
[19:18] <akk> True, but one of the apps I have is a mapping app, and GPS usually doesn't work well in emulators.
 assuming your PC hardware has virtualization support (and you're running linux). i'm not sure how well it works under other VMs on other OSes
[19:18] <akk> (my mapping app doesn't currently support GPS, but if I could get a linux phone or tablet, I'd want that)
[19:19] <akk> And actually, none of my current computers has hardware virtualization anyway. :( I can do virtualbox but probably not the in-kernel ones (I am running linux).
 you might want to take a look at uNav then
 https://open-store.io/app/navigator.costales
[19:20] <akk> I'll look at that, thanks. Didn't know there was anything for that on linux.
 what mapping app are you referring to that doesn't have gps support?
 afaik, the gnome maps app does have gps
[19:21] <akk> (have to go afk for a bit, BIAB)
 @Zack, sure. PM me and I can help you. :)
 @dohbee, Nope. Verizon blacklisted it.
 oh
 blacklisted Nexus 5 or Ubuntu Touch?
 blacklisted his IMEI i guess
 The Nexus 5
 USA is crazy, I could use device even with zeros IMEI here
 It should work, it just doesn't.
 All 5's are like that.
 oh
 does hardware allow you to set whatever IMEI you like?
 but your 5x works on vzn?
 Yep
 @NotKit, Maybe, but I'm not too interested in doing that
 with most MediaTek's it's done by simple AT command
 i don't think it's blacklisted then
 [Edit] with most MediaTeks it's done by simple AT command
 5X =/= 5
 Everyone lists the Nexus 5 as "not working" on Verizon. Tons of forum threads asking "Why does my Nexus 5 not work on Verizon?"
 right
 which 5x model do you have? 790 or 791?
 Bah, "About" only says it's a Nexus 5X
 The one for the US.
[20:04] <ubptgbot> yomuz was added by: yomuz
[20:07] <akk> That's useful to know, thanks, @UniSuperBox. Sounds like I should wait for the 5x if I need verizon.
 haha https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/3jihcj/why_am_i_able_to_connect_my_nexus_5_to_verizon_lte/
 someone asking why it works, rather than why it doesn't
 oh well :-/
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 @Bolly, ty :)
 Is the desktop Unity 8 usable as a daily driver? It's so goddamn sexy
 as long as you don't drive too much i guess
 but generally speaking, not really :-/
 Meh, and I wanted to do an Ubuntu custom install with EFISTUB >~>
 And I don't like gnome in general
 use unity 7 then?
 Is it on the newest releases? Or just the LTS?
[20:53] <ubptgbot> juakote was added by: juakote
 it's in universe repo in 18.04
 oh
 good
 I liked unity
 i upgraded straight from 16.04 already, and still using it
 but in the past always had too weak hardware to support my workloads and unity at once xD
 Welcome @juakote !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 sorry playing with telegram
 what is UBFR_Team ?
 UBports First Responder Team
 👍
 More info here https://ubports.com/community/get-involved/community-sc
 @K31j0, Its not easy, it doesnt work on bionic yet, I beleive it only works on 16.04, when it does it doesnt display your usual apps, so if you installed Firefox via apt, it wouldnt show up in your launcher. … I dont remember the other problems or nicetys that are lossed, but its missing features.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Regular apps should show up in app drawer
 It seems youre correct, my mistake.


[00:48] <thiras> hello
[00:49] <thiras> I got ubuntu 17.10 on my machine and got installed skype as snap package
[00:49] <thiras> also latest nvidia card with propriety drivers
[00:50] <thiras> i got no error no the terminal when i start the skype but it just simply doesn't start
[00:50] <thiras> no hanged process on the ps aux. it's like kills instantly at the start without any error
[00:51] <thiras> how can i get the error log at least?
[01:18] <ManxPies> Hello, How Do I get A Spotify Icon (from the Spotify snap) in my menu ?
[01:23] <ManxPies> CodeMouse92__: sup ?
[01:23] <CodeMouse92__> ManxPies: Well HELLO there! I know you, methinks ;)
[01:25] <ManxPies> CodeMouse92__: Can you not see my PM's or something ?
[01:25] <CodeMouse92__> ManxPies: Hmm? I just PM'd you.
[01:25] <CodeMouse92__> OH! I have non-registered nicks blocked from PMing. Spam
[01:26] <ManxPies> CodeMouse92__: So you cannot see this ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6sYv2fKfVm/
[01:27] <CodeMouse92__> ManxPies: Yeah, no, don't see that. Here, let's move this to an ot, so we don't muck up the room! ##c++-share
[01:27] <ManxPies> So what #channel - should we talk in (apart from u-o) ??
[01:27] <ManxPies> okay
[01:30] <ManxPies> Also, is there a Brave Browser snap ?
[03:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#2004 closed: errros: add a specific error when running commands from plugins <bug> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2004>
[05:48] <jjohansen> zyga-ubuntu: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/jj/ubuntu-artful.git#lp1755563
[06:11] <mborzecki> morning
[07:10] <zyga-ubuntu> jjohansen: thank you!
[07:10] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: good morning
[07:10] <mup> PR snapd#4859 opened: tests: autopkgtest may have non edge core too <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4859>
[07:11] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: hey
[07:11] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: hey, good morning - and good morning to mborzecki
[07:11] <mborzecki> mvo: morning
[07:11] <zyga-ubuntu> I should not be working today but I just jumped in to look at some things briefly
[07:11] <mborzecki> are we ready for 2.32 yet? :)
[07:12] <zyga-ubuntu> not fully
[07:12] <zyga-ubuntu> woah
[07:12] <zyga-ubuntu> https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/354083620?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
[07:13] <zyga-ubuntu> the test ran for 6 hours and 58 minutes
[07:13] <zyga-ubuntu> the log says it succeeded
[07:14] <zyga-ubuntu> but the job didn't end
[07:14] <mborzecki> interesting, travis didn't kill it at 60 minutes mark
[07:16] <zyga-ubuntu> looks like a bug
[07:56] <pedronis> zyga-ubuntu: from the screenshot that panic from last night is with 2.23.1 (the original dragonboard image?)
[07:56] <zyga-ubuntu> pedronis: I believe so
[07:57] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:57] <zyga-ubuntu> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/panic-on-dragonboard/4490
[07:57] <zyga-ubuntu> pedronis: ^
[07:57] <pedronis> do we make new ones?
[07:57] <pedronis> can we even fix it?
[07:57] <mup> PR snapd#4856 closed: release: 2.32~pre2 changelogs <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4856>
[07:57] <zyga-ubuntu> I don't know who manages those images
[07:59] <mup> PR snapd#4859 closed: tests: autopkgtest may have non edge core too <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4859>
[08:01] <pedronis> zyga-ubuntu: I think it's a bug we fixed since a long while
[08:02] <pedronis> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/2.23.1/store/auth.go#L106  := vs =
[08:03] <zyga-ubuntu> I think we just need to refresh the image with new snapd build
[08:04] <pedronis> I don't who makes or what's the refresh policy of those
[08:05] <mvo> it is foundations managed now, we need to talk to steve if we need a refresh
[08:05] <mvo> the policy is that it gets only refreshed on regular point releases of the distros
[08:05] <mvo> (so not very often)
[08:07] <pedronis> mvo: zyga-ubuntu:  mmh, interesting,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/stable/current/  everything seems from January except dragonboard that is older
[08:07] <mvo> heh (or not)
[08:07] <zyga-ubuntu>  woah
[08:07] <zyga-ubuntu> March 2017
[08:08] <zyga-ubuntu> yeah
[08:08] <zyga-ubuntu> slangasek: ^ is the dragonboard image expected to be much older than other images?
[08:09]  * pedronis breakfast
[08:16] <kalikiana> moinsen
[08:25] <mup> PR snapd#4847 closed: osutil,testutil: add symlinkat(2) and readlinkat(2) <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4847>
[08:29] <mup> PR snapd#4808 closed: cmd/snap: use shlex when parsing `snap run --strace` arguments <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4808>
[08:30] <mup> PR snapd#4738 closed: snap: unify snap name validation w/python; enforce length limit <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4738>
[08:30] <pedronis> mvo:  I looked into what is involved to backport  #4829 , I got conflicts related  to #4722 , as we discussed yesterday I will try to look how involved/annoying is backporting that
[08:30] <mup> PR #4829: store: Sections and WriteCatalogs need to strictly send device auth only if the device has a custom store <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4829>
[08:30] <mup> PR #4722: store: cleanup test naming, dropping remoteRepo  and UbuntuStore(Repository)? references <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4722>
[08:31]  * zyga-ubuntu rebased 4851 and keeps it in a debug loop
[08:32] <zyga-ubuntu> I saw /etc error again so there must be _another_ reason for it
[08:37] <mup> PR snapd#4860 opened: spread,tests: move suite-level prepare/restore to central script <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4860>
[08:40] <jamesh> zyga-ubuntu: hi.  I was having a look at the "safe bind mount" problem, and came up with some initial code based on what we discussed last week
[08:40] <jamesh> zyga-ubuntu: https://github.com/jhenstridge/snapd/blob/safe-bind-mount/cmd/snap-update-ns/secure_bindmount.go
[08:41] <jamesh> it isn't identical: I found mount(..., MS_MOVE) doesn't work in the presence of shared mount namespaces
[08:43] <zyga-ubuntu> looking
[08:45] <zyga-ubuntu> the remount to read only, that will not handle recursively bind mounted things, will it?
[08:46] <zyga-ubuntu> you can also use filepath.Clean to simplfy some of the logic
[08:46] <zyga-ubuntu> lastly, the MS_MOVE issue
[08:46] <jamesh> zyga-ubuntu: yeah. Just noticed that.  I can also move the remount to the stashDir too, which gets rid of the FIXME
[08:47] <jamesh> I'
[08:47] <jamesh> ll check out filepath.Clean
[08:48] <zyga-ubuntu> so when is MS_MOVE forbidden?
[08:48] <zyga-ubuntu> when crossing namespace boundaries?
[08:48] <zyga-ubuntu> or when crossing shared peer group kind? or when?
[08:49] <jamesh> zyga-ubuntu: I was just getting EINVAL from the system call
[08:49] <mvo> pedronis: thank you
[08:49] <jamesh> I got a more expressive error from /sbin/mount, which seems to be due to it doing some checking before hand: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/util-linux/util-linux.git/commit/?id=fcc0413a12efde3f413064a622ea0a0595ede49f
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> I see
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> but
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> can we make the internal stash private?
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> bind from original place
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> to stash
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> make stash private
[08:50] <jamesh> MS_MOVE is supposed to be atomic, and I guess they decided that making the mount propagation atomic was too hard
[08:50] <zyga-ubuntu> and move to destination
[08:51] <zyga-ubuntu> ah
[08:51] <zyga-ubuntu> the destination is shared too
[08:53] <zyga-ubuntu> jamesh: I'll pick this up next week when [j]dstrand is back
[08:53] <jamesh> it looks like the parent of the stash directory would need to be !MS_SHARED
[08:54] <jamesh> if I'm reading the util-linux patch right
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> yes
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> or the stash dir can be a private bind mount
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> we do something similar to /run/snapd/ns
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> it is privately shared
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> or we would not be able to bind mount mount namespaces there
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> I wrote a patch for linux that explains which of the EINVAL code paths is taken
[08:54] <zyga-ubuntu> but I did that for pivot_root
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> I think I wrote one for mount too but I cannot find it
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> the one for pivot is in the tree of snapd in snap-confine/misc
[08:55] <jamesh> do you think the openNoFollow() logic will help cover some of jdstrand's concerns?
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> yeah
[08:55] <zyga-ubuntu> we have similar code like that in many places
[08:56] <jamesh> it means we're working with paths that didn't contain symlinks at some point in time, and then only reference those directories going forward as "." after fchdir()ing into them
[08:56] <zyga-ubuntu> yeah, that is a nice improvement
[08:58]  * Chipaca isn't here
[08:58] <zyga-ubuntu> haha, hey John
[09:03] <mborzecki> Chipaca: so you have a day off too? just like zyga-ubuntu :)
[09:03] <pedronis> mvo: it's not too terrible backporting #4712,   it's slightly smoother if we backported #4715  as well , your call
[09:03] <mup> PR #4712: release: version 2.31.1 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4712>
[09:03] <mup> PR #4715: store: reorg auth refresh <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4715>
[09:04] <mvo> pedronis: +1 for 4715
[09:04] <mvo> pedronis: I get the feeling 2.32 will be a frank2.33 ;) but thats ok, its special circumstances so close to release
[09:05] <pedronis> mvo: yea,  anyway 4715 it's also a fix,  we run out of stack (admittedly because of strange store bug) once
[09:06] <pedronis> mvo: anyway as I said my maing argument for backporting these, is that if we get asked to do a close 2.32.x to bring in something to 18.04 it's better if the delta is small (with reason for safety)
[09:09] <mvo> pedronis: agreed
[09:09] <mvo> pedronis: I think this is fine
[09:15] <mvo> meh, everything is terrible - autopkgtest bionic/i386 fails in strange ways (/bin/bash: line 104: 12090 Killed snap connect ...
[09:16] <mvo> out-of-memory
[09:17]  * zyga-ubuntu hugs mvo
[09:17] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: can you look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4860 - it should be a helper NO-OP change
[09:17] <mup> PR #4860: spread,tests: move suite-level prepare/restore to central script <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4860>
[09:17] <mup> PR snapd#4861 opened: store: reorg auth refresh  (2.32) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4861>
[09:17] <zyga-ubuntu> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4851 is green and needs reviews now
[09:17] <mup> PR #4851: cmd/snap-update-ns: fix creation of layout symlinks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4851>
[09:17] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: my old friend lowmem_reserve again
[09:18] <zyga-ubuntu> what is lowmem_reserve?
[09:22] <mup> PR snapd#4862 opened: store: cleanup test naming, dropping remoteRepo and UbuntuStore(Repository)? references (2.32) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4862>
[09:23] <pedronis> mvo: I created backports in 4861 and 4862
[09:24] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, I have a look
[09:26] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: its the same problem we had before, let me try to find the papertrail. essentially the issue is that on i386 each time we load a new profile we eat up kernel memory and on i386 that is lowmem which is apparently not plentiful
[09:26] <mvo> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/oom-for-interfaces-many-on-bionic-i386/4101/4
[09:29] <pedronis> Chipaca: could you look at #4829 and #4849
[09:29] <mup> PR #4829: store: Sections and WriteCatalogs need to strictly send device auth only if the device has a custom store <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4829>
[09:29] <mup> PR #4849: many: propagate contexts enough to be able to mark store operations done from the Ensure loop <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4849>
[09:33] <mup> Bug #1756285 opened: Gamepads only working in devmode <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756285>
[09:36] <Chipaca> mborzecki: hah! i did it :-)
[09:36] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hmm?
[09:37] <Chipaca> mborzecki: … wait it's buggy
[09:37] <Chipaca> mborzecki: the string version of wrap1
[09:37] <mborzecki> Chipaca: haha challenge accepted :)
[09:37] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i have something too, but it's wrapping a bit too far, idk why yet
[09:37] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i've done something very similar in my playing around with widths, so i know it's doable, it's just very very fiddly
[09:38] <Chipaca> mborzecki: I promise not to include fullwidth characters in my testing of your thing
[09:39] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i have this atm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HB9HzJzrHb/ but it wraps too far, probably missed something
[09:40] <Chipaca> mborzecki: can you pastebin the code, not the diff?
[09:41]  * Chipaca 's seen too many variations over the last 24h to cope with the diff atm
[09:41] <mborzecki> Chipaca: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FtxH8gPgsk/
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: 		idx = strings.LastIndexFunc(text, unicode.IsSpace)
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: that's finding you the last space in the whole thing
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: not the last space that is <= width
[09:43] <mborzecki> damn, right
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: and... good luck because finding that one needs runes, with that approach
[09:43] <Chipaca> :-)
[09:44] <Chipaca> (because width is the number of runes(ish), not bytes)
[09:44] <mborzecki> Chipaca: yeah, i see what you meant
[09:45] <mup> PR snapd#4798 closed: snap: don't create empty Change with "Hold" state on disconnect <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4798>
[09:45] <mborzecki> i'll give it 15 minutes, if i cannot come up with something i'll leave it :P
[09:45] <Chipaca> mborzecki: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/SMK5NKTMd6/
[09:45] <Chipaca> mborzecki: that's where I'm at
[09:45] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i've still got a bug in there but it's close
[09:45] <mvo> pstolowski: if we need 4798 for 2.32, can you please create a PR that targets 2.32 (if not, just ignore me :)
[09:46] <mborzecki> Chipaca: truly worthy of /r/dailyprogrammer/
[09:46] <Chipaca> heh
[09:47] <mborzecki> tis a nice problem though, it'd be great to have a TextFormatter that is an io.Writer
[09:48] <Chipaca> I'll push chipaca/forms sometime when i'm happy enough with it
[09:48] <pstolowski> mvo: it's na old bug. would be nice to have in 2.32. I'll prepare a PR
[09:48] <pedronis> Chipaca: you +1 but not approved apparently
[09:49] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[09:49] <Chipaca> pedronis: I thought I understood the other pr until I saw the 'call snap find before  testing stuff' thing :-)
[09:49]  * Chipaca needs to give it a better read
[09:50]  * Chipaca is having fun with code on his day off
[09:51] <pedronis> Chipaca: we had a problem related to switching to use the fakstore before we have a macaroon before, this just make it more likely,  snap find blah is a bit of a hack, but the real solution is annoying too (teach how to fake registration to the store just not to use it at all)
[09:53] <mup> PR snapd#4849 closed: many: propagate contexts enough to be able to mark store operations done from the Ensure loop <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4849>
[09:53] <pedronis> Chipaca: if you ever saw strange 418 errors around getting a nonce from the fakestore that was the reason
[09:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: am I talking gibberish ? :)
[09:57] <mborzecki> Chipaca: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRqDHcbJ9s/
[09:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: no, that makes sense
[09:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: and although i haven't seen teapots, many of us have
[09:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: so thank you
[09:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: :) this branch would increase the teapot spotting probability
[10:00] <pedronis> before the "hack"
[10:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you again
[10:00] <pedronis> :)
[10:01] <Chipaca> mborzecki: youch
[10:06]  * Chipaca goes for a walk
[10:33] <mup> PR snapd#4863 opened: Fix abbreviated disconnect 232 <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4863>
[10:33] <pstolowski> mvo: ^
[10:34] <mvo> pstolowski: thank oyu
[10:34] <mvo> you
[10:53] <cachio> mvo, already testint beta
[10:53] <cachio> testing
[10:54] <cachio> mvo, it should be ready today
[10:54] <mvo> cachio: excellent, thank you
[10:54] <cachio> yaw
[10:58] <Trevinho> zyga-ubuntu: hey, do you remember that issue that was causing the desktop interface font's not to be mounted on refreshs? Did you find anything related to that? As I'd like to promote a snap using it to stable, but I'm a bit worried that it could break things
[11:31] <cachio> mvo, 1 unit test is failing for bionic, how do you do to print stuff inside the unit tests or debug it?
[11:33] <jibel> seb128, I tried what we discussed in Budapest and moved the preseeded snap from filesystem.squashfs to the CD filesystem directly but there is not so much gain. Only 2s on a 77s boot. unsquashfs and snapd are still the main CPU and IO consumers.
[11:33] <mvo> cachio: which test is that?
[11:33] <jibel> seb128, it's on VM, I'll try on HW to compare
[11:34] <cachio> mvo, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7RRpWVCf3V/
[11:34] <cachio> mvo, last test to fix I think
[11:36] <mvo> cachio: interessting. I can try this on my bionic system in a bit, otherwise I think a Commentf("Unexpected build date %s", snap.BuldDate()) " next tothe test
[11:46] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: how are you today
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> Trevinho: hey, I remember the issue. I didn't manage to reproduce it.
[11:48] <zyga-ubuntu> although I found something in a related area
[11:49] <Trevinho> zyga-ubuntu: mh, I see.. I wasn't able to reproduce it either
[11:49] <Trevinho> zyga-ubuntu: switching from a snap without desktop-interface to one with it could suffice sometimes
[11:49] <zyga-ubuntu> I didn't investigate the other thing yet, I just found it yesterday
[11:49] <Trevinho> zyga-ubuntu: like switching from `telegram-desktop` stable to edge
[11:50] <Trevinho> but... Well, as I said it's not something happening all the times
[11:52] <zyga-ubuntu> interesting, I will setup a loop
[11:52] <zyga-ubuntu> and try to reproduce that
[11:53] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you for this advice, please hold over weekend ok?
[11:53] <zyga-ubuntu> I will keep looking and if I find something we can fix it or stop the update
[11:54] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: +1 on merging 4851?
[11:54] <zyga-ubuntu> I think it's not everything, I saw one failure but I wasn't able to reproduce locally yet
[11:57] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: would you be interested in looking at 4765
[11:57] <zyga-ubuntu> it's not short though
[11:57] <zyga-ubuntu> so a bit of warning
[12:01] <greyback> hey, am using "snap try ./prime" and getting "Ensure prerequitites for "snap-name" are available *snap not found)" - any hint what that actually means
[12:04] <zyga-ubuntu> greyback: one of the default providers for your content interfaces is wrong
[12:05] <greyback> zyga-ubuntu: aha ok, that is a possibility
[12:25] <cachio> mvo, Unexpected build date 1969-12-31 23:59:59
[12:25] <cachio> hehehe
[12:25] <cachio> a bit old
[12:33] <pedronis> mvo:  backports #4861 and #4862 are green now but need to be looked at/approved
[12:33] <mup> PR #4861: store: reorg auth refresh  (2.32) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4861>
[12:33] <mup> PR #4862: store: cleanup test naming, dropping remoteRepo and UbuntuStore(Repository)? references (2.32) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4862>
[13:13]  * zyga-ubuntu runs all of main in a loop since morning and ... no failures
[13:24] <mup> PR snapd#4864 opened: daemon: support 'system' as nickname of the core snap <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4864>
[13:37] <Chipaca> mborzecki: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yPNh9YB2xQ/
[13:40] <Chipaca> mborzecki: … and that's why I made it take a []rune :-)
[13:50] <mborzecki> Chipaca: are you updating the pr with this code?
[13:51] <Chipaca> mborzecki: should I?
[13:51] <Chipaca> mborzecki: is it better?
[13:51] <mvo> cachio: this looks like we did not get the new squashfs-tools in bionic-proposed in this test
[13:51] <Chipaca> it was fun to write :-)
[13:51] <mborzecki> aah ok ;) thought that you were planning to push it or sth
[13:52] <Chipaca> not of my own volition
[13:52] <Chipaca> i'm open to be convinced though :-)
[13:52] <cachio> mvo, ok,
[13:53] <cachio> mvo, is it ok if we add proposed until bionic release date?
[13:53]  * Chipaca wanders off to to not-work things
[14:02]  * zyga-ubuntu runs tests since 8 and no failures
[14:04] <mup> PR snapd#4860 closed: spread,tests: move suite-level prepare/restore to central script <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4860>
[14:05] <greyback> I swear this worked last week, but this week it fails (using layouts). Anyone mind having a quick look https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vJHMh3DGxN/
[14:07] <mup> PR snapd#4851 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: fix creation of layout symlinks <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4851>
[14:09] <zyga-ubuntu> greyback: not sure if this is related
[14:09] <zyga-ubuntu> greyback: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/layouts-re-mapping-snap-directories/1471/63?u=zyga
[14:09] <zyga-ubuntu> if you follow edge you must set a feature flag to enable layouts
[14:09] <greyback> zyga-ubuntu: if I create the directory in advance, it appears to work
[14:10] <greyback> yep, done that
[14:10] <zyga-ubuntu> other than that, not sure, I'm not really working today so I cannot help now
[14:10] <zyga-ubuntu> if you can drop me a note on IRC about how to reproduce that I will try
[14:16] <greyback> zyga-ubuntu: oh, sorry for bothering you!
[14:23] <zyga-ubuntu> No worries:-)
[14:26] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a pass over the interface hooks PR
[14:27] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty!
[15:06] <cachio> mvo, which is the package "squashfs-tools" to install and which version ?
[15:11] <mvo> cachio: hm, it looks like there is a new sync in bionic, let me check what is going on there
[15:12] <cachio> mvo, I ask because squashfs-tools deb package was not installed in bionic
[15:12] <mvo> cachio: what is the version installed in the vm?
[15:12] <cachio> mvo, there was not
[15:12] <mvo> cachio: that is strange, do you have /usr/bin/mksquashfs?
[15:12] <cachio> I installed 1:4.3-6
[15:12] <mvo> cachio: in the image?
[15:12] <cachio> sorry
[15:12] <mvo> cachio: that looks correct
[15:12] <mvo> cachio: the version
[15:13] <cachio> it was installed 1:4.3-4ubuntu2
[15:13] <cachio> I updated with 1:4.3-6
[15:13] <cachio> is it ok
[15:13] <cachio> is it the right version?
[15:15] <mvo> yes, this is the right verson
[15:16] <cachio> mvo, ok, running again
[15:16] <cachio> tx
[15:16] <mvo> good luck
[15:16] <cachio> mvo beta validation is going very well btw
[15:17] <mvo> cachio: great to hear
[15:40] <slangasek> zyga-ubuntu: hmm I'm not sure why dragonboard 410c never saw an update in the latest round, would need to check my logs.  In any case, there is a new round of image updates needed for 16.04.4
[15:42] <zyga-ubuntu> slangasek: that sounds good, when is that, roughly? when 18.04 gets released?
[15:42] <slangasek> zyga-ubuntu: no, it should be done already (in line with the 16.04.4 point release that has happened), and I'll be looking at it next week
[15:43] <zyga-ubuntu> ah, perfect, thank you for looking into that
[18:25] <zyga> I switched my debug refresh loop to use -reuse, in case that makes the magic bugs show up
[19:10] <willem> hi all. I'm testing Xubuntu 18.04. Just installed skype from "software" (the xubuntu app to install things). Skype is a snap package. It installed. But it won't start.
[19:10] <willem> The error in the log says: libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
[19:10] <willem> libGL error: driver pointer missing
[19:11] <willem> Any advice on what could cause this, and what I can do about it?
[19:21] <mup> PR snapd#4865 opened: many: propagate contexts enough to be able to mark store operations done from the Ensure loop (2.32) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4865>
[19:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#2005 opened: pluginhandler: special case go patchelf failures for classic confinement <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2005>
[20:36] <zyga> ah, found one more issue affecting symlinks
[20:36] <zyga> actually, some code that does nothing but hurt now
[22:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#2006 opened: many: use packaging logic to get patchelf <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2006>


[00:02] <hpidcock> wallyworld: also a bug now that you are checking for errors, invalid JUJU_AGENT_TESTING_OPTIONS env value "": expected "key=value", got ""
[00:47] <josephillips> hey
[00:47] <josephillips> how i can know when a charm is upgraded
[00:47] <josephillips> ?
[00:49] <pmatulis> josephillips, when the revision number changes. it can be seen in juju status output. i guess you need to know at what revision the charm is at first
[00:50] <josephillips> yep
[00:50] <josephillips> is for one reason everything was working fine
[00:50] <josephillips> today i found openstack is not working correctly
[00:50] <josephillips> when im trying to perform a resize im getting a error failed to connect using the ip of nova-cloud-controller with the port of placement
[00:51] <josephillips> and i want to make sure was a update that broke something
[01:01] <josephillips> keystoneauth1.exceptions.connection.ConnectFailure: Unable to establish connection to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8778/resource_providers?in_tree=4abf4202-4da9-47e0-a5e5-70bbe5200265: HTTPConnectionPool(host='<IP_ADDRESS>', port=8778): Max retries exceeded with url: /resource_providers?in_tree=4abf4202-4da9-47e0-a5e5-70bbe5200265 (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at
[01:01] <josephillips> 0x7f9afc060320>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED',)) |
[01:01] <josephillips> im getting this error
[01:01] <josephillips> the problem is the ip there is for nova-cloud-controller but with the plaement port
[01:44] <hpidcock> review please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11654
[01:58] <tlm> looking hpidcock
[01:58] <tlm> I was already working on this :)
[01:58] <hpidcock> oh sorry, for some reason I thought this was a different one
[01:59] <tlm> this is to patch the systemctl calls during tests ?
[01:59] <tlm> looks like it is
[12:10] <manadart> achilleasa: I made a slight change to the behaviour of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11638, if you have time for another look.
[12:13] <achilleasa> manadart: looking in a few min
[12:46] <manadart> stickupkid: Can you tick this one for 2.8? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11659
[16:20] <achilleasa> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11660
[17:53] <seffyroff> hey folks :)
[17:54] <seffyroff> anyone know which channel maas is in these days? #maas doesn't seem to be joinable?
[17:55] <hml> seffyroff: have you tried https://discourse.maas.io/t/welcome-to-discourse/8?  a lot of conversations are moving there
[17:55] <seffyroff> ah ok, sure.  I am on there, but I miss the IRC-ness
[17:56] <hml> seffyroff:  okay, let me ask if there is an alternative
[18:00] <seffyroff> much obliged sir!
[18:01] <seffyroff> the discourse board is fine tbh, I'll make myself a nuisance there
[18:01] <seffyroff> Appreciate the info :)
[18:01] <hml> seffyroff: there isn’t a #maas on freenode at this time, nor a replacement.  the directive is to use discourse.
[18:02] <seffyroff> gotcha, thanks so much for your help :)\


[00:16] <cmd10noil> hi. Anyone got problem with Xubuntu 10 and Acer Notebook. Usb doesnt mount !!
[00:17] <cmd10noil> if I try Xubuntu 9, usb works. With Xubuntu 10, not working.
[00:21] <MalkavianManiac> please pastebin the output of tain -n 50 /var/log/syslog
[00:22] <MalkavianManiac> tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog *
[00:32] <cmd10noil> Anyone got usb problems on Xubuntu_10 ????
[00:39] <drizzt_> cmd10noil, xubuntu 10 is one big problem
[00:39] <drizzt_> even GDM isn';t working there
[00:40] <cmd10noil> drizzt_, ok
[01:30] <FFForever> Is there a simple way to get compiz + xfce without jumping through a load of hoops?
[02:49] <lake> Does anyone here have experience with Gigolo? I'm having an issue where I can create a connection, but I can never view the directories or files from a connection...
[07:16] <spvensko> can someone here please convince me to switch to xubuntu? i'm about this | | far from switching after gnome driving me crazy for the past few months
[07:51] <Sysi> !xubuntu | spvensko
[08:16] <FFForever> How can I have ubuntu rebuild my menu.lst?
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> FFForever: does   sudo update-grub   do it?
[09:02] <FFForever> well_laid_lawn, I trashed it and update-grub does not put old items back in
[09:02] <FFForever> I ended up deleting my good copy
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> FFForever: do you dual boot wiyh windows?
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> *with
[09:05] <FFForever> windows and chrome os
[09:05] <FFForever> I know ubuntu can/will write the menu file for me... I just don't really want to write it manually
[09:06] <well_laid_lawn> if update grub doesn't do it then I don't know how
[09:07] <FFForever> thanks anyways
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> when you get one woking do a backup :]
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> *working
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> I should watch what I type not the movie...
[10:32] <Balzac> ola penguinz
[10:32] <Ongawezyrke> ola penguinz
[10:33] <knome> !hi | Ongawezyrke
[10:33] <knome> a-ha
[10:33] <knome> :P
[10:33] <knome> hello, ikonia
[10:34] <ikonia> hi
[12:07] <erxyz> Hi, I just discovered Xubuntu and wanted to try it out since my laptop has not much RAM, anyway, just wondering: does most softwares works just like on Ubuntu? For example I want to do some ruby + rails development
[12:07] <Sysi> running programs is similar to ubuntu
[12:07] <Sysi> same programs work
[12:08] <erxyz> very good, thank you
[12:32] <adarof> Couple of Question from a xfce newbie here
[12:32] <adarof> hi
[12:32] <adarof> I use the "Keyboards Layout" Applet - but If I logout/login, configuration (like hotkey for switching) is lost. I found same description at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1418047 but wondering if this is a known issue?!
[12:38] <adarof> The other (more annoying) thing is, that xfce needs approximatly 60sec for logout. I think this is, if I had a kde application running during my session, but Im not sure. I found a description of the problem here http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6342 and are wondering if this "bug" is known by anyone?
[12:41] <knome> adarof, if you have a kde application in your session, xfce needs to load the kde libraries the app needs, so it's taking longer to boot
[12:42] <knome> adarof, do you save the session after you add the kb applet?
[12:53] <adarof> knome: Okay, takes time to load....but to logout???
[12:55] <adarof> knome: Ah okay, I saved this session now (with well configured keyboard-layout-applet. Will see this evening...thanks for hint!
[12:56] <knome> adarof, right... logout. no idea. is it a clean install?
[12:57] <adarof> not really. The computer itself yes, but I like to hold my $HOME ;-)
[12:57] <adarof> Thus it could be some config stuff somewhere ...
[12:58] <knome> adarof, yeah, some of those .-folders. i can't remember which were crucial to remove
[12:58] <adarof> But okay. There is another question: I got used (from KDE) to have a bouncing application icon next to mouse, if i start a application and the window isnt yet open
[12:59] <knome> uh?
[12:59] <knome> right...
[12:59] <knome> yeah
[12:59] <adarof> this indicates e.g. that the hotkey was successfully pressed
[12:59] <knome> there's no such thin in xfce
[12:59] <knome> +g
[12:59] <adarof> iis there sth like this in xfce?
[12:59] <adarof> Bad luck, okay
[12:59] <adarof> ;-)
[12:59] <Sysi> it should show some thingy when it's loading something
[12:59] <knome> well that would pretty much be overkill for a light de
[13:00] <knome> Sysi, i wouldn't want it to be next to the cursor
[13:00] <knome> maybe in the notification area or sth...
[13:00] <Sysi> knome: i mean that there is something almost like that
[13:00] <adarof> and the last of my list: If I cycle through my apps using Alt-Tab: Could I have the selected windows to come in front?
[13:01] <knome> Sysi, not application-specific
[13:01] <adarof> currently I just have a boarder, but ...hey - who knows which app isit?
[13:01] <Sysi> knome: not, but it shows that you haven't misclicked
[13:01] <adarof> knome: Okay, but some idication that _aomething_ is loaded? Does this exist?
[13:01] <adarof> Sysi, exactly this would be great
[13:02] <erxyz> I dont understand, I boot up the CD, choose language then install, then it shows the xubuntu logo, quite bad pixelated then goes black/grey and nothign happends
[13:02] <newnewfag> hi all
[13:02] <knome> adarof, i don't think you can bring the windows on front on alt+tab. you can disable the border, though.
[13:02] <Sysi> you can disable border
[13:02] <newnewfag> what's the way to change gdm configuration on xubuntu 10.04?
[13:03] <newnewfag> i tried to copy a corresponding .desktop-file to gdm-autostart as it is done on ubuntu
[13:03] <newnewfag> but that didnt work for me
[13:03] <Sysi> adarof: but you can't get windows to move on top during browsing, watch icons on popup-window :)
[13:04] <Sysi> knome: or is it possible, during pressing alt+tab?
[13:05] <Sysi> erxyz: what graphichs card do you have?
[13:05] <erxyz> Not sure actually, some integrated laptop one
[13:05] <adarof> Sysi, well - there might be 10 firefox icons ...
[13:05] <knome> Sysi, no
[13:05] <erxyz> The PC is actually "Designed for Windows", but Ubuntu runs on it, even tho its slow
[13:05] <adarof> enxyz: type "lspci" within a terminal
[13:06] <adarof> enxyz: remove this silly label - could help ;-)
[13:06] <Sysi> adarof: use tabs :P
[13:07] <adarof> Sysi, LOL
[13:07] <adarof> general question: Whats your prefered IM application? I need Jabber + ICQ (directly since my jabberserver
[13:08] <adarof> 's transport to icq isnt stable enough
[13:08] <knome> adarof, bitlbee :P
[13:08] <adarof> knome, Rotfl - i'll give it a try
[13:09] <Sysi> pidgin is installed by default
[14:18] <xubuntu426> please i need install java in xubuntu ...
[14:20] <Sysi> !java
[14:20] <Sysi> xubuntu-restricted-extras has some browser-java too
[14:20] <xubuntu426> ok tks...
[14:53] <Devilsprey99> I want to change default file manager to pcman and remove thunar if its okey ? can anyone help
[14:57] <CarlosZ> hola estamos tratando de instalar java en xubuntu pero tenemos problemas alguien que nos pueda ayudar somos totalmente novatos
[15:03] <Devilsprey99> can anyone help me with changing default file manager
[15:03] <CarlosZ> alguien que hable español
[15:04] <bazhang> !es
[15:05] <CarlosZ> gracias
[15:05] <bazhang> de nada
[15:09] <stanner> could someone tell me where i can find the menu.xml file to edit the right click menu for the desktop?
[15:16] <stanner> could someone tell me where i can find the menu.xml file to edit the right click menu for the desktop?
[15:16] <Devilsprey99> could someone tell me how to change default file manager
[15:17] <Devilsprey99> from thunar to pcman
[15:33] <stanner> what happened to the menu editor application?
[15:34] <Sysi> there isn't any for new xfce
[15:34] <stanner> hmm
[15:34] <stanner> there has to be some way to edit the right click menu for the desktop
[15:37] <Sysi> /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu has something
[15:37] <stanner> but
[15:37] <stanner> thats the applications menu
[15:38] <stanner> which is a sub-menu to the right click one that i want to edit
[15:38] <stanner> i already edited that one
[15:39] <Sysi> /etc/xdg/menus/ ?
[15:39] <stanner> nothing there
[15:40] <stanner> i mean
[15:40] <sagar> can anyone help me change default filemanager from thunar  to pcman
[15:41] <stanner> nothing there that does it.
[15:41] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=539182
[15:41] <Sysi> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1482150
[15:41] <Sysi> try those
[15:47] <sagar> Sysi, it gives me an option doesnot change thunar to pcmanfm
[15:48] <Sysi> what do you mean by changing?
[15:56] <sagar> i want pcmanfm  to work as default file manager and remove thunar
[15:59] <sagar> Sysi, i want pcmanfm  to work as default file manager and remove thunar
[16:03] <Sysi> those instructions don't do it as way you want?
[16:07] <sagar> Sysi, no they dont
[16:49] <lighta> does xubuntu have PAM integrated?
[17:37] <Pres-Gas> lighta, yes, most Linux-es use the PAM stack to authenticate/authorize users.
[17:39] <Pres-Gas> *ubu uses a front end called auth-client-config that writes to most of the PAM/nsswitch config files, lighta.  So manual editing can be tricky.
[17:41] <Sysi> that's why my friend broke that xubu..
[17:41]  * Pres-Gas scrolls up
[17:57] <lighta> thx Pres-Gas i'll check this more in details so
[18:01] <xubuntu244> hey
[18:22] <reality> :l
[18:32] <reality> anyone use hf
[18:33] <reality> -_-
[18:35] <charlie-tca> What is hf?
[18:36] <reality> hacckforums
[18:36] <reality> hack*
[18:36] <reality> -_-
[20:24] <slow-motion> hi
[20:24] <likemindead> Howdy, slow-motion.
[20:25] <slow-motion> hi likemindead
[23:51] <Azh> Hey guys, how long is too long for the xubuntu installation to start from the install screen, on a Pentium 4 1.6 256 ram?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> on the live cd?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> it is probably about 2-5 minutes
[23:52] <Azh> yeah
[23:52] <Azh> darn
[23:52] <Azh> it was stuck in the install screen for about 8 minutes
[23:53] <Azh> but the cd light was on the whole time
[23:53] <charlie-tca> something went wrong
[23:54] <charlie-tca> It takes me about 13 minutes to get to the desktop, then I right click the install icon, left click execute, 2-5 minutes to start
[23:55] <Azh> you know when you choose the languange and then you go on to the menu with install xubuntu, check cd and try xubuntu without installing, when I click install xubuntu thats where it was stuck for like 5 to 8 minutes
[23:56] <Azh> i remember 9.04 installation started pretty fast, so i rebooted after like 5 minutes
[23:57] <Azh> hmmm, maybe is my orinoco card


[03:55] <haugmeir> Is there any good way to test whether there are any new messages in the Messaging Menu programatically or from the command line?
[04:08] <haugmeir> libindicate-doc talks about IndicateListeners, but without much explanation, and it seems those are for capturing when your own entries in the messaging menu are clicked. Is there anywhere I can look for more information without reading through all of the source code?
[05:56] <lamalex> haugmeir: I would look at the org.ayatana.indicator.messages on dbus
[05:56] <lamalex> the most excellent d-feet is the best tool for exploring dbys
[06:00] <haugmeir> Thanks. I'll take a look.
[10:45] <defreng> good morning :)
[10:45] <defreng> is there some change in the API for applications to integrate with the MessagingMenu since the lucid release?
[22:02] <TenPhil> not to be a  bother, but I an having a problem with a UNE ppa package, that is causing the text of my menu items to be distorted. Any suggestions?