[04:15] <Entelin> i'm going to make my own ubuntu within ubuntu using chroot instead i think
[04:15] <ripdisk> let me go check
[04:15] <r43gh4r> i have some Q
[04:15] <chai_> Entelin, don't you need sudo to chroot?
[04:15] <Entelin> i dont think so
[04:15] <r43gh4r> someone can help me out please
[04:15] <parscoe> ok .. somehow gvfs-backends got removed .. thats what his problem was
[04:15] <Entelin> its just a shell thing
[04:15] <soreau> ! ask | r43gh4r
[04:16] <ubott2> r43gh4r: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:16] <Entelin> damnit your correct it does require root
[04:16] <Entelin> wtf
[04:16] <ripdisk> losha: 1.80
[04:16] <julio> #ubuntu-es
[04:16] <ripdisk> and the host is 1.68
[04:17] <Losha> ripdisk: shouldn't be a problem. I can't figure out why 1.68 won't work but localhost does. Running any firewall software on the server?
[04:17] <r43gh4r> thanks... ok i have a toshiba satellite m100 and i've installed ubuntu 9.10 on a partition... but it crashes just after logging in...
[04:17] <chai_> Entelin, I just tried that site with the binaries, it works, download them from there and you can compile the rest you need from source
[04:18] <Entelin> ok ill have a look
[04:18] <soreau> r43gh4r: Elaborate on what happens exactly that you call 'crash'
[04:18] <r43gh4r> well... it freezes... i cant do anything...
[04:19] <Entelin> chai_, isnt that fortran and not c++?
[04:19] <soreau> r43gh4r: Which graphics card model do you have as reported by 'lspci|grep VGA'?
[04:19] <chai_> Entelin, it also has gcc and g++
[04:19] <ripdisk> losha
[04:19] <Entelin> ah ok hmm
[04:19] <ripdisk> i installed firestarter in hopes to turn my ubuntu firewall off.
[04:20] <Losha> ripdisk: listening...
[04:20] <r43gh4r> dont know
[04:20] <ripdisk> but firestarter is completely off
[04:20] <r43gh4r> at the moment im on win xp
[04:20] <ripdisk> i wonder if i can ssh
[04:20] <ripdisk> bah
[04:20] <ripdisk> humbug
[04:20] <Losha> ripdisk: just for completeness, iptables -F, then retest telnet
[04:20] <r43gh4r> but this model as an "ati radeon xpress 200m"
[04:20] <macaroni> could someone help with a hard disk problem?
[04:20] <Clone29> what keyword for get codek player?
[04:21] <macaroni> My hd isn't being seen by the system anymore
[04:21] <Dan48p> hey do you guys know about errors in wine?  trying to install microsoft office
[04:21] <ripdisk> losha: still doesn't work
[04:21] <soreau> r43gh4r: Ok, can you try booting with the additional kernel parameter radeon.modest=1 by pressing E at the grub splash screen?
[04:21] <bazhang> Dan48p, check the appdb and then /join #winehq
[04:21] <Losha> ripdisk: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[04:21] <bazhang> !appdb | Dan48p
[04:22] <macaroni> using palimpsest disk utility......says unknown or used
[04:22] <soreau> r43gh4r: Sorry, typo. I meant radeon.modeset=1
[04:22] <ubott2> Dan48p: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help
[04:22] <Dan48p> bazhang, what is appdb?
[04:22] <bazhang> see above
[04:22] <Dan48p> oh ok
[04:22] <r43gh4r> ok i'll try that
[04:22] <chai_> can anyone help me fix my sound? my system doesn't recognize my intel sound card ever since i did a software update
[04:22] <SwingBot> winrar?
[04:22] <Oak> disregard my question
[04:22] <bazhang> SwingBot, hi
[04:22] <SwingBot> I have no idea what hi is
[04:22] <Clone29> do you know about take codek player?
[04:23] <bazhang> SwingBot, did you have a support question
[04:23] <SwingBot> I have no idea what did you have a support question is
[04:23] <SwingBot> hello there
[04:23] <r43gh4r> thanks a lot... if it doesnt work i come back
[04:23] <ripdisk> losha from where
[04:23] <soreau> ! who | r43gh4r
[04:23] <dsnyders> Hi all!  When I use the scroll wheel, I get switched from one workspace to another.  How do I turn that off?
[04:23] <ubott2> r43gh4r: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[04:23] <Losha> ripdisk: from the server...
[04:23] <chai_> SwingBot hello
[04:23] <bazhang> SwingBot, no chat here, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:23] <SwingBot> I have no idea what no chat here, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic is
[04:23] <SwingBot> I have no idea what hello is
[04:24] <ripdisk> yes, losha
[04:24] <ripdisk> it pings...
[04:24] <r43gh4r> !soreau
[04:24] <dsnyders> Now they're letting bots run Ubuntu?
[04:24] <r43gh4r> ?? sorry im new at this
[04:24] <chai_> !bot
[04:24] <bazhang> not yet
[04:24] <soreau> r43gh4r: Yes, please highlight me by using my nick when you come back
[04:24] <chai_> hm figured i'd try..
[04:24] <ubott2> Hi! I'm #ubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[04:24] <Clone29> ripdisk : help me to get keyword codek player...please..
[04:25] <soreau> r43gh4r: Just like I type your nick at the start of every statement I am making to you
[04:25] <Some_Person> Does anyone know if recordings from Windows Media Center can be played in Linux?
[04:25] <Losha> ripdisk: so to recap, from the server, you can ping .68, but can't telnet to port .68:5900 ?
[04:25] <r43gh4r> !soreau like this???
[04:25] <ubott2> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[04:25] <bazhang> r43gh4r, not with a !
[04:25] <soreau> r43gh4r: Well, soreau: will work instead of !soreau ;)
[04:25] <dsnyders> Some_Person, Linux can play a lot of things.  What is the extension on the file?
[04:25] <r43gh4r> soreau like this???
[04:26] <soreau> r43gh4r: Yes
[04:26] <meowbuntu> hi can i change an ext4 partition to an ext3 partion is it easy
[04:26] <wolter> my local mdns crashed, what should I do?
[04:26] <Some_Person> dsnyders: I haven't made a recording yet so I don't know
[04:26] <ripdisk> losha: yes
[04:26] <bazhang> meowbuntu, fairly easy sure
[04:26] <r43gh4r> soreau thanks... sorry for the trouble
[04:26] <Sagaci> Clone29: what do you want, an audio/video player?
[04:26] <soreau> r43gh4r: And make sure you press E at the grub splash screen, then append radeon.modeset=1 to the kernel parameters
[04:26] <Clone29> sagaci:audio and video
[04:26] <chai_> !sound
[04:26] <Evil_Otto> yay, every call to a .php file results in an apache segfault \o/
[04:26] <dsnyders> r43gh4r, most chat programs will complete the name if you type the first few letters and press tab.
[04:26] <meowbuntu> bazhang: how can i i am using ubuntu 9.10 live cd atm
[04:27] <ubott2> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:27] <bazhang> chai_, please /msg the bot
[04:27] <Losha> ripdisk: more recap, from the server, you can ping .68, but can't telnet to port .68:5900 but you can telnet to localhost:5900 ?
[04:27] <chai_> bazhang, gotcha
[04:27] <Sagaci> Clone29: you could use VLC for video and rhythmbox or banshee for audio
[04:27] <bazhang> meowbuntu, you realise that the files on there will be lost
[04:27] <r43gh4r> soreau i'll try that... seeya in a few minutes
[04:27] <ripdisk> losha: yes.
[04:27] <dsnyders> Some_Person, Hard to say for sure.  The program mplayer seems to be able to tackle everything I've thrown at it except some encrypted wav files.
[04:28] <meowbuntu> bazhang: i have my ubuntu os on it. would like to convert it without haveing to partition
[04:28] <meowbuntu> ^ or format
[04:28] <Entelin> chai_, only half works, depends on some libs that dont exist when you actually go and try to compile something
[04:28] <bazhang> meowbuntu, then no
[04:28] <Clone29> sagaci: but i cannot use it,because all player need codek...
[04:28] <Sagaci> Clone29: try medibuntu
[04:28] <soreau> Has anyone figured out why there are so many moronic people in this world? I would really like to know for my own personal satisfaction :P
[04:28] <Losha> ripdisk: ok, I'm officially stuck. If it were my machine, at this point, I'd uninstall firestarter...
[04:29] <Clone29> sagaci : on konsole terminal?
[04:29] <meowbuntu> i know you can go from ext3 to ext 4 without having to format again
[04:29] <ripdisk> losha: how
[04:29] <ripdisk> i forgot how to uninstall stuff.
[04:29] <Luke_> does anybody know how to run the radeon graphics card under Ubuntu?
[04:29] <seanbrystone> SwingBot, do you mean i have to do sudo first before apt-get? Or can I just use apt-get (name of program)?
[04:29]  * SwingBot does you mean i have to do sudo first before apt-get? Or can I just use apt-get (name of program)?
[04:29] <CaptainMorgan> anyone have a suggestion for how I can actively monitor or view my current wattage/amperage input/output ?
[04:29] <ripdisk> luke: enable nonfree driver
[04:29] <ripdisk> s
[04:29] <Luke_> how?!
[04:30] <Some_Person> dsnyders: The extension is .wtv
[04:30] <ripdisk> hmm, i can't remember :/
[04:30] <Losha> ripdisk: apt-get remove firestarter should do it...
[04:30] <ripdisk> i think it's like
[04:30] <SwingBot> seanbrystone depends if you are root or not
[04:30] <enduser000> Luke_: anything in System: Administration: Hardware Drivers?
[04:30] <ripdisk> yeah i don't remember..
[04:30] <Luke_> wouln'd know!
[04:30] <seanbrystone> SwingBot, but I'm still getting errors
[04:30] <SwingBot> I have no idea what but I'm still getting errors is
[04:30] <chai_> Entelin, lame... well thats about all i can think of
[04:30] <Entelin> ok thanks for the help
[04:30] <enduser000> Luke_: look there (in teh menues)
[04:30] <enduser000> menus*
[04:31] <chai_> the*
[04:31] <soreau> Luke_: That question doesn't make too much sense. Most all radeon graphics cards work with 3D OOTB with any recent version of ubunut
[04:31] <Entelin> chai_, http://linux.die.net/man/1/fakechroot
[04:31] <Entelin> hmm
[04:31] <meowbuntu> hi can i change an ext4 partition to an ext3 partion. is it easy i have my ubuntu os on it. would like to convert it without haveing to repartition or format
[04:31] <brijithmac> Hi all, After an ubnormal reboot I can not take file browser and I cannt see any thing in my desktop please help me
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> SwingBot: being human
[04:31] <SwingBot> I have no idea what being human is
[04:31] <seanbrystone> lol
[04:32] <chai_> Entelin, hah nice, i'm gonna play with that
[04:32] <igie> Samba help please - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1410602
[04:32] <soreau> Luke_: Perhaps it would help if you stated what exactly you're trying to do
[04:32] <evilbug> how can i play copyrighted cds on my laptop?
[04:32] <ripdisk> losha: i uninstalled firestarter.. i've got no idea why this doesn't work
[04:32] <Luke_> i know but i bought a $600 computer from Best Buy and ive been trying to install Ubuntu for three hours but the kernel always gets hung on the radeon card
[04:32] <Ashfire908> What format do I need to have a ssh key in to be able to import it into seahorse?
[04:32] <evilbug> audio cds **
[04:32] <chai_> Entelin, you still have to isntall fakechroot tho
[04:32] <fixworx> Help! Have been trying to enable mod_rewrite on apache2 under Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop for two days...  Any clues? :D
[04:32] <Entelin> chai_, I can transfer the file from another system
[04:32] <soreau> Luke_: At what point does it hang?
[04:32] <Luke_> around three seconds after booting
[04:33] <Entelin> chai_, technically I could do the same for g++ but that gets much more complex
[04:33] <Losha> ripdisk: ok, rerun the checklist: from the server ping .68, telnet to .68:5900 then telnet localhost:5900
[04:33] <semitones> quick question: installing lubuntu-desktop wants to remove network manager and install wicd, but I'd like to keep network manager. Any ideas how to do this?
[04:33] <dsnyders> Some_Person, I just did some googling.  It looks like wtv isn't supported.  Mind you, I just looked at one page.
[04:33] <soreau> Luke_: Which version of ubuntu have you?
[04:33] <chai_> Entelin, hm yea i was about to suggest that
[04:33] <CaptainMorgan> anyone have a suggestion for how I can actively monitor or view my current wattage/amperage input/output ?
[04:33] <fixworx> CaptainMorgan, KillAWatt physical appliance? :)
[04:33] <Luke_> just downloaded it from main site brand new
[04:34] <kermit> why does my outgoing mail not seem to work?
[04:34] <CaptainMorgan> fixworx, was thinking along the lines of an ubuntu app
[04:34] <Losha> CaptainMorgan: I used one of those killawatt thingies...
[04:34] <chai_> Entelin, maybe transfer g++ binaries and the entire /lib folder :P... would probably run into more trouble tho
[04:34] <fixworx> CaptainMorgan, of course :)
[04:34] <ripdisk> losha: so, this is the end of the line eh?
[04:34] <chai_> Entelin, not to mention messy
[04:34] <soreau> Luke_: What makes you think it is a graphics problem?
[04:35] <Luke_> hang on ill be right back
[04:35] <Entelin> chai_, yeah and they may still not work without a chroot
[04:35] <cparman> MeowUbuntu: The larger question would be "Why?"
[04:35] <Losha> ripdisk: that depends on the results. Also, we haven't tried shutting down the guest OS yet...
[04:35] <ripdisk> but it's my print server :(
[04:35] <dsnyders> Some_Person, It looks like you need to use some windows tool to convert the files to mpegs first.
[04:35] <m_anish> CaptainMorgan: I guess if you are working on a laptop, right clicking the power icon in the top-right corner of your screen and selecting power-history will give you the reqd info (as far as power consumption is concerned)
[04:35] <ripdisk> cuz there are no linux lexmark drivers
[04:36] <ripdisk> but yeah i'll shut it down.
[04:36] <Losha> ripdisk: that's a different problem. For now, we're debugging...
[04:36] <CaptainMorgan> thanks m_anish - saw that in a search... not using a laptop
[04:36]  * ripdisk acpi shutdown
[04:36] <ripdisk> :
[04:36] <ripdisk> (
[04:36] <cparman> MeowUbuntu: The larger question would be "Why?", I guess you can't answer that question. The answer to your original question is "no"
[04:38] <hamish_> hey there people :) Can someone help me with transmission bit torrent client?
[04:38] <Clone29> where is where is sagaci?
[04:38] <Clone29> hehe
[04:38] <semitones> how can I make aptitude ignore a dependency
[04:38] <Clone29> i need help
[04:38] <soreau> hamish_: Not if you don't ask your question
[04:38] <dsnyders> hamish, what's going on with it?
[04:38] <ripdisk> ok losha
[04:38] <ripdisk> i took it offline....
[04:38] <ripdisk> let's try now
[04:38] <Clone29> where is sagaci?
[04:38] <Clone29> i need help
[04:38] <Clone29> hehehee
[04:38] <hamish_> soreau, I need to schedule pausing... but I'm not sure how?
[04:39] <hamish_> I have it installed on a headless server.
[04:39] <hexmare> * yawns *
[04:39] <meowbuntu> hi can i change an ext4 partition to an ext3 partion. is it easy i have my ubuntu os on it. would like to convert it without haveing to repartition or format
[04:39] <ripdisk> losha: nothing
[04:39] <cparman> MeowUbuntu: The larger question would be "Why?", I guess you can't answer that question. The answer to your original question is "no"
[04:39] <ripdisk> i just don't get it
[04:39] <hamish_> and need to schedule it to pause during on peak hours.
[04:39] <Guest83111> what is tha yawns server??
[04:39] <soreau> hamish_: I'm not sure if there is a way to do that, though there may be, it should be in the settings somewhere. (If it's not, I suspect it does not have this capability)
[04:39] <Losha> ripdisk: you mean no change? can't telnet to port .68:5900 but can telnet to localhost:5900 ?
[04:40] <dsnyders> hamish, I don't think you can schedule such things with transmission.
[04:40] <ripdisk> yeah losha i tried it again
[04:40] <koshari> hamish you will need something like ktorrent to schedule
[04:40] <bazhang> hamish_, there is a small turtle icon at the bottom of transmission window
[04:41] <Losha> ripdisk: how does the output of arp -a look?
[04:41] <hamish_> soreau, the settings does not appear to have it no, perhaps there is a command I can run that will pause/unpause all torrents. I thought if there is I could use crontabs?
[04:41] <dsnyders> hamish_, you could set up some chron jobs to start and stop it.
[04:41] <chai_> Entelin, bleh, tried "fakechroot dpkg -i package.deb /new/prefix/dir" ... you still need root privileges to use dpkg -i
[04:41] <saltonaslug> hey everyone...
[04:41] <hamish_> bazhang, I've tried that, but setting speeds to 0 tends to cause erratic speeds and not much else...
[04:41] <bazhang> hamish_, preferences speed tab can set the schedule
[04:41] <Clone29> sagaci is not found in here.......peace
[04:41] <saltonaslug> yes.
[04:42] <saltonaslug> anyone wanna talk?
[04:42] <Clone29> okay
[04:42] <bazhang> saltonaslug, chat in #ubuntu-offtopic  Ubuntu support here
[04:42] <Luke_> im back where should i post the photos
[04:42] <hamish_> bazhang I've found the scheduler, but it won't pause it, only throttle the speeds :(
[04:42] <soreau> hamish_: If there is a command that could accomplish such a task, you could certainly have cron run it for you. However, it is not likely some command will make a program have a feature it does not provide
[04:42] <Entelin> chai_, whats worse is that the libfakechroot.so i think needs to be installed ahead of time
[04:42] <lostin> When running this "daniel@my-pos:~$ gpg -d /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg"  I get this  "gpg: decrypt_message failed: unexpected data"  This file has not been modified in anyway.  Any ideas?
[04:43] <hamish_> soreau, your reasoning is sound. Can you recommend a torrent client that has a webui and scheduling?
[04:43] <saltonaslug> ....................................................................................................................
[04:43] <chai_> Entelin, bummer.. what are you trying to do this for anyways?
[04:43] <semitones> how can I keep aptitude from replacing network manager with wicd when I apt-get lubuntu desktop?
[04:43] <bazhang> saltonaslug, please dont do that
[04:43] <hamish_> deluge appears to just crash. I have 8.04 LTS.
[04:43] <saltonaslug> someone talk plese.
[04:43] <Entelin> ./fakechroot -l libfakechroot.so
[04:43] <Entelin> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakechroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[04:43] <saltonaslug> please*
[04:43] <koshari> hamish_ ktorrent has scheduling
[04:43] <Entelin> :(
[04:43] <saltonaslug> thats why i did it, sorry.
[04:43] <bazhang> saltonaslug, this is not a chat channel
[04:43] <soreau> hamish_: Actually, no I cannot as I do not know of one.
[04:43] <semitones> or at the very least, keep network manager in the cache so I can reinstall it right afterwards
[04:43] <dsnyders> saltonaslug, this is not a social chat
[04:43] <Losha> ripdisk: well, we've made a tiny bit of progress. We now know there's something funny going on at the server...
[04:43] <Entelin> chai_, I just want a build environment on this box
[04:43] <hamish_> koshari, and a webui?
[04:43] <koshari> hamish_ and a webUI
[04:43] <bazhang> saltonaslug, #ubuntu-offtopic is the chat channel
[04:44] <saltonaslug> too much writing at once though...
[04:44] <chai_> Entelin, on a box you have no privileges on? :P
[04:44] <saltonaslug> ok.
[04:44] <saltonaslug> it's all good...
[04:44] <Entelin> chai_, worst case I dont get one, and do the building on my own box and upload the resulting binarys
[04:44] <bazhang> saltonaslug, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:44] <Losha> soreau: to answer your earlier question, you're on the edge of a bell curve looking inwards...
[04:44] <Entelin> chai_, correct
[04:44] <saltonaslug> ok ok ok ok ok.
[04:44] <hamish_> thankyou koshari, I will have a look!
[04:44] <soreau> Losha: Apparently
[04:44] <ripdisk> losha: i'll try giving you ssh.. somehow
[04:44] <jumpnmustang> Can the archive manager handle rar files that are in parts?
[04:44] <Blue1> where can I find an mpeg aac audio encoder?
[04:45] <Blue1> google comes up dry
[04:45] <chai_> jumpnmustang, yup
[04:45] <bazhang> jumpnmustang, sure, just right click the first one extract here
[04:45] <koshari> Blue1 you tried ffmpeg?
[04:45] <hamish_> soreau, thank you anyway! I will try koshari's suggestion, ktorrent.
[04:45] <Losha> ripdisk: yeah, too bad I can't vnc in....
[04:46] <c_nick> is chrome better than firefox
[04:46] <jumpnmustang> and it will do it automatically? what about the sister type *.7z?
[04:46] <c_nick> and how to get chrome on ubuntu 9.10 can is it there in the repos
[04:46] <ripdisk> losha: i fowarded the ports for ssh
[04:46] <ripdisk> still can't connect
[04:46] <ripdisk> maybe it's THIS computer
[04:46] <semitones> c_nick, yes it is
[04:47] <ripdisk> pm me so i can give you the info to try it yuorself
[04:47] <Luke_> where shoiuld i post the boot images at
[04:47] <c_nick> semitones: how does it make a difference to the user
[04:47] <Losha> ripdisk: Actually, I need a break, gimme 15, ok?
[04:47] <lostin> When running this "daniel@my-pos:~$ gpg -d /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg"  I get this  "gpg: decrypt_message failed: unexpected data"  This file has not been modified in anyway.  Any ideas?
[04:47] <semitones> c_nick, it's down to personal preference, really
[04:47] <hexmare> grrrrrr , X still always restarts into 800x600 , and refuses to start with another mode, yet will allow me to change modes to a higher res right after start
[04:48] <c_nick> ah ok
[04:48] <ripdisk> losha: ok no problem, i think i'm gonna take a tirp down to the medical shop..
[04:48] <semitones> !info google-chrome | c_nick
[04:48] <c_nick> semitones: how to get chrome on ubuntu
[04:48] <ubott2> c_nick: Package google-chrome does not exist in karmic
[04:48] <semitones> c_nick, it's faster for a lot of people
[04:48] <semitones> hmm
[04:48] <semitones> c_nick, just a sec
[04:48] <dsnyders> hexmare, have a look at your xorg.conf file.
[04:48] <Luke_> how do i run a radeon graphics card under Ubuntu?
[04:48] <chai_> please, this sound issue has me pulling my hair. can anyone explain how this is possible: http://pastebin.com/m2fd8ad33
[04:49] <hexmare> dsnyders > all over my xorg.conf , have set modeline up . changed the metamodes option
[04:49] <dsnyders> Luke_, http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
[04:49] <jumpnmustang> Looks like the 7z is not supported, thanks so far guys. anyone know what handles that 7z file type? seem windows born.
[04:49] <semitones> c_nick, you can install it by going to www.google.com/chrome and click download
[04:50] <chai_> jumpnmustang, install 7zip
[04:50] <meowbuntu_> hi is there an app i can use to check and fix bad sectors on hdd
[04:50] <gsgleason> 7z is open source
[04:50] <hexmare> brb restarting gdm again.
[04:50] <jumpnmustang> awesome thanks.
[04:50] <semitones> c_nick, click "get google chrome (beta)"
[04:50] <redwolf> my bootloader is getting corrupted
[04:50] <redwolf> I've reinstalled ubuntu 3 times now
[04:50] <semitones> how can I get aptitude to ignore a dependency
[04:50] <gsgleason> for 7z: install package lzma
[04:51] <mOOey> or rar
[04:51] <semitones> I want to install everything that the lubuntu-desktop package depends on, except for wicd. Is there a way to do this?
[04:51] <hexmare> back
[04:51] <jumpnmustang> gsgleason: you know how much space that takes up?
[04:52] <c_nick> thanks semitones
[04:52] <gsgleason> 172kB
[04:52] <jumpnmustang> cool thanks.
[04:52] <semitones> c_nick, you're welcome :)
[04:52] <Losha> meowbuntu_: it's a bad sign actually. It's usually means your disk is about to fail..
[04:52] <bombel> when I use 'iwconfig' I get information about the link. How do I extract only the line where the word "Quality" is written? I tried this: 'iwconfig | grep Quality' , and it outputs the correct line, but I also get 3 other lines that do not contain the word "Quality"... Can someone clarify me how to use grep, if this is the solution for this issue?
[04:53] <dsnyders> hexmare, In the monitor section, do you have your preferred Modeline listed first?
[04:53] <kinja-sheep> semitones: install lubuntu-desktop metapackage then remove wicd afterward? It'll cry wolf about lubuntu-desktop metapackage but you can remove that afterward.
[04:54] <semitones> kinja-sheep, thanks, that is what I would do, except my network doesn't work using wicd, so I don't have internet to reinstall network manager
[04:54] <hexmare> dsnyder > on the last restart I got it to boot to 3840x1024 , so I am now a step in the right direction. now I just need to get it to go all the way to 5040x1050
[04:55] <dsnyders> hexmare, Man, I wish I had your graphics card/monitor.  I'm maxing out at 1280x1024
[04:55] <kinja-sheep> semitones: It is always nice to have additional machines or packages. You could download packages and keep them on the disk for temporary. I'm not 100% certain about dependencies.
[04:56] <hexmare> dsnyder >  Sli 2x8800gts, 3 22"ws monitors, matrox th2go
[04:56]  * hexmare brb restarting GDM again
[04:56] <semitones> kinja-sheep, ok, do you know how I would keep network-manager on disk temporarily?
[04:56] <evilbug> are there issues with ubuntu recognizing regular redbook cds?
[04:57] <Blue1> !aac encoder
[04:57] <kinja-sheep> semitones: Something like "sudo aptitude download <xxyPackaeg>
[04:57] <Blue1> !aac
[04:57] <ubott2> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:57] <semitones> kinja-sheep, thanks, I'll try it
[04:57]  * hexmare back
[04:57] <gsgleason> bombel: iwconfig 2>/dev/null|grep Quality
[04:57] <MilitantPotato> semitones: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/net/
[04:58] <kinja-sheep> semitones: That'll get you debs in current path. Also.
[04:58] <kinja-sheep> !offline | semitones
[04:58] <ubott2> semitones: If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://apt.alturl.com/ - See also !APTonCD
[04:58] <semitones> great, thanks :)
[04:58] <MilitantPotato> semitones: go too synaptic, right click network-manager, go too Dependencies and make sure you get those too
[04:58] <gsgleason> chai: is that mod currently loaded?
[04:58] <gsgleason> chai: lsmod|grep snd_hda_intel
[04:59] <MilitantPotato> semitones: that way you have everything that the app needs for later
[04:59] <kinja-sheep> semitones: http://apt.alturl.com/ seems promising.
[04:59] <hexmare> you know that you have been futzin with your xorg.con and Xorg.0.log too many times when you write a shel script to open them automatically for you at start
[04:59] <MilitantPotato> kinja-sheep: already linked semi (http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/net/)
[04:59] <dsnyders> hexmare, in the screen section of xorg.conf there is a line that reads option "metamodes".  I think you need to put the desired mode first on that line.
[05:00] <semitones> alright, thanks a lot :)
[05:00] <dsnyders> hexmare, A script... Yep, you've been futzing too much.
[05:00] <hexmare> LOL
[05:00] <MilitantPotato> semitones: i noticed that webpage lists and links too dependencies, should make it easier
[05:01] <MilitantPotato> there's about 20 though X(
[05:01] <ankush> hello everyone
[05:01] <hexmare> well this way as soon as I get into gnome , it pops both files into gedit so I can see them right away ;)
[05:01] <cparman> ankush: Hello Dude-de
[05:01] <[Adam|Linux]> What is a good text editor with highlighting (for PHP and all that) with FTP built in? Hoping for something like notepad++ on windows
[05:01]  * hexmare brb gdm restart again
[05:02] <gsgleason> ftp built into a text editor?  weird.  I use vim
[05:02] <cparman> [Adam|Linux]: Vim
[05:02] <seanbrystone> Emacs!
[05:02] <carpediem> VIM is nothing like Notepad++
[05:02] <carpediem> neither is emacs
[05:02] <carpediem> gedit is probably the closest
[05:02] <[Adam|Linux]> I just want the text highlighting and FTP basically
[05:03] <dsnyders> seanbrystone, I KNEW somebody was going to say that! :)
[05:03] <seanbrystone> :D
[05:03] <Madpilot> [Adam|Linux], gedit will connect to remote drives, ie FTP/etc
[05:03] <hexmare> dsnyder , now I just need to add to the script a line to reattach my irssi screen session
[05:03] <ankush> i am using ubuntu 9.04. i have a partition in ext3 format. If i reinstall ubuntu , will it recognise the partittion?
[05:03] <[Adam|Linux]> thanks
[05:03] <carpediem> Adam, gedit, I would also try Bluefish
[05:03] <chris_> when i wake my laptop from sleep mode, if i have a cd in the tray, it automatically launches a file browser and shows me the cd.
[05:04] <Losha> ankush: yes, all versions recognize ext3. It's ext4 that's a problem....
[05:04] <klappi> [Adam|Linux]: you can mount the remote dirs and use any editor, gnome has a gui calles places for this
[05:04] <FoolishOwl> I'm trying to figure out how to use ssh to connect to a machine that can only be contacted from an intermediate machine. In the past, I'd ssh into the intermediate, then ssh from the intermediate to the machine I wanted.
[05:05] <FoolishOwl> I'd like to simplify that.
[05:05] <MilitantPotato> Does anyone use an EEEPC with karmic and figured out a way to control fan speed?
[05:05] <evilbug> Blue1: thanks for the links, i did look at them. the issue i'm having is that i have restricted extras and i can play dvds just fine but for some reason it won't read audio cds. i did try the aac fix.
[05:05] <Losha> ripdisk: still there?
[05:06] <Blue1> evilbug: i am trying to use vlc to convert an m4v (ipod file) to mp4 =-- but it complains I don't have an aac encoder although I have gstreamer and faac installed
[05:06] <dsnyders> FoolishOwl, I'm in the same boat.  I think the solution is an iptables port redirection of some sort.
[05:07] <ankush_> Losha: even on formating the parition in which ubuntu is intalled? will it do? (i jst want to reassure..sory to ask again)
[05:07] <FoolishOwl> dsnyders, I *think* there's a simpler way to do it with ssh, but I'm not sure. I don't have root access to the intermediate machine, anyway.
[05:08] <Losha> ankush: I'm not sure exactly what you're worried aboutasking. Can you rephrase it?
[05:09] <Losha> FoolishOwl: hard to get it much simpler than a couple of logins. An iptables solution isn't exactly what I'd call "simpler"...
[05:10] <dsnyders> FoolishOwl, there is a thing called a reverse ssh.  I think what you do is point the input port at one  machine and the output port at the other.
[05:10] <FoolishOwl> dsnyders, that sounds more like it.
[05:10] <dsnyders> FoolishOwl, I've never gotten it to work, though.
[05:12] <axisys> how do I run a bash script as another user when that user does not have a shell
[05:12] <ankush_> Losha: ive ubuntu 9.04 in one partition , 2nd partition is ext3. I have to reinstall ubuntu .After doing it will the ext3 partirion still l be there? i mean will the data be preserved?
[05:12] <youknoweddavis>  i use ndiswrapper to handle my pcmcia network card. sometimes when connecting to my home network, im just asked my wep key but never connects
[05:12] <dsnyders> axisys, I think you use the su command.
[05:13] <dsnyders> axisys, su = switch user.
[05:13] <`mOOse`> um Super User
[05:13] <`mOOse`> or Root
[05:14] <Losha> ankush_: if you choose 'manual partition' during install, and specify that the first partition is for /, and that the 2nd partition is *not* to be touched, it should be fine. But for complete safety, you should first make a backup of the ext3 partition if you can...
[05:15] <meowbuntu> hi all i am wanting to know if i can change my os filesystem back from ext4 to ext3 without formatting
[05:15] <ankush_> Losha: Thank you.. :)
[05:16] <Losha> meowbuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1040029. Summary: apparently it's possible, but I wouldn't trust it with any valuable data
[05:16] <meowbuntu> Losha, y is that
[05:17] <meowbuntu> i'm just sick of installing from scratch its annoying
[05:17] <Sylvester_Ink> what's the off topic channel?
[05:18] <Schmittydoesit> Anyone throw ubuntu on an HP TouchSmart 300?
[05:18] <axisys> dsnyders: that wont do it .. user do not have a shell
[05:18] <Losha> meowbuntu: because it's not a 'supported' operation, it's just something that someone did that seems to have worked (once, for them), and it's hella complicated, and a million things could go wrong and take your data with it...
[05:18] <axisys> `mOOse`: i like to run it as a user not as root ..
[05:19] <Sylvester_Ink> Actually, I have a question about software licenses.  I know this is the incorrect channel for it.  Where should I go?
[05:19] <dsnyders> axisys, try su -l user /bin/bash
[05:19] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic Sylvester_Ink
[05:19] <Losha> meowbuntu: besides, if you're seeing lots of disk sector problems, you have bigger problems, because your disk may be about to fail...
[05:20] <obscurant1st> somebody here knows how to make a usb bootable from a bootable iso image
[05:20] <obscurant1st> i tried dd ing it
[05:20] <meowbuntu> ok point Losha is it possable to update teh kernel of gos which uses hardy i think
[05:20] <obscurant1st> but its not booting into it showing "missing operating system"
[05:20] <Sylvester_Ink> thanks, bazhang
[05:21] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, have you messaround with the config files
[05:21] <Losha> meowbuntu: sorry, no idea. Isn't there a gos support channel?
[05:21] <obscurant1st> but when i checked in disk utility it is showing that the usb disk is bootable.
[05:21] <meowbuntu> Losha, yea thats not in use well noone ever uses it even the ppl logged in dont
[05:21] <dsnyders> axisys, there's also the -s option.  man su for details.
[05:21] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, actually my system is bootable, when i try to bott from the usb only it is showing missing operating system
[05:21] <Losha> obscurant1st: the one thing I know doesn't work is just dd'ing an iso to a usb drive, sorry...
[05:21] <obscurant1st> other than it is working fine
[05:22] <obscurant1st> Losha, oh !
[05:22] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, how did you install to the usb
[05:22] <dsnyders> obscurant1st, is this a flash drive?
[05:22] <obscurant1st> yes dsnyders it is a flash drive
[05:22] <meowbuntu> ^ and
[05:22] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, i did nt install anything
[05:22] <obscurant1st> i just dd is
[05:22] <Losha> obscurant1st: you've seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick presumably?
[05:22] <obscurant1st> dd it*
[05:23] <meowbuntu> then if you have no os on the flashdrive then y are you trying to boot from it
[05:23] <meowbuntu> ^ obscurant1st
[05:23] <obscurant1st> i am in ubuntu Losha , i need to install backtrack,
[05:23] <obscurant1st> thats why i am trying this.
[05:23] <dsnyders> obscurant1st, There are some great instructions at http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb/
[05:23] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, start again. what are you trying to do
[05:24] <seanbrystone> backtrack is pretty nice, i got it running in vmware player
[05:24] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, I am trying to make a bootable usb from a bootable iso image
[05:24] <dsnyders> obscurant1st, you can set up multiple ISOs on your drive and boot from any of them.
[05:24] <meowbuntu> dsnyders, there is an application built into ubuntu for doing that
[05:24] <obscurant1st> dsnyders, i can try that. :D
[05:25] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, hold on
[05:25] <obscurant1st> k
[05:25] <semitones> does update-manager run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade to upgrade
[05:26] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, 1. go to system>administration>usb startup disk creator. or 2. install unetbootin and use that.
[05:26] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, ok, i will try that.
[05:26] <obscurant1st> :D
[05:26] <obscurant1st> thx
[05:26] <meowbuntu> np
[05:26] <Cann0n> how do I compile a kernel?
[05:26] <Roasted_> Question - My menu options are a bit small on this theme I'm running. Is there a way I can control how thick they are? What I'm talking about is if I go to system - preferences, each option there is pretty darn thin. I'm wondering if I can make those controls a bit larger, resulting in everything in the menu being several pixels higher in size.
[05:26] <dsnyders> meowbuntu, I just came across that earlier today.  I was wondering what it did.
[05:27] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, you will only have max 4gig for storage on an fat32 filesys but thats ok for small usb devices
[05:27] <obscurant1st> yeah mine is only 2GB
[05:28] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, start with the ubuntu built in one its simpler and easier
[05:28] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, yep
[05:28] <meowbuntu> once you have got the hang of that try unetbootin
[05:28] <ballen> Why aren't things like Apache in the Ubuntu Software center?
[05:28] <bimberi> !kernelcompile | Cann0n
[05:29] <bimberi> Guest31952: because it's not a GUI app
[05:29] <Guest31952> ohhhhhhhh
[05:29] <Guest31952> makes sense
[05:29] <Guest31952> thanks
[05:29] <bimberi> np
[05:29] <Cann0n> I followed that and jsut crashed my computer and had to reinstall
[05:29] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, actually using that i cnnot select the iso file
[05:30] <meowbuntu> yes you can
[05:30] <obscurant1st> i think i will have to run it as rrot
[05:30] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, i mean it is not letting me to
[05:30] <meowbuntu> strange
[05:30] <obscurant1st> as i select and click on ok, nothing is shown at the place where it is suupposed to show up
[05:30] <meowbuntu> you need to have your usb plugged in first
[05:31] <obscurant1st> yep its already plugged it
[05:31] <obscurant1st> in*
[05:31] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, click on other select the iso file and it should come up.
[05:32] <meowbuntu> doing it as root is ok
[05:32] <obscurant1st> ok
[05:32] <meowbuntu> should not need to
[05:32] <obscurant1st> 1 sec, ithink my usb is not gettin detected now.
[05:32] <obscurant1st> :(
[05:32] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, have fun playing search on google adn come back if you want to
[05:33] <obscurant1st> i am formatting it in windows
[05:33] <obscurant1st> :d
[05:33] <Cann0n> how do i compile source?
[05:33] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, make sure its not mounted unplug then replug
[05:33] <meowbuntu> !source
[05:33] <DaltonStone> I NEED HELP
[05:33] <obscurant1st> now its working
[05:33] <obscurant1st> let me try with that startup disk creator
[05:34] <meowbuntu> !ask | DaltonStone
[05:34] <Cann0n> why not just tell people to use google.com?
[05:34] <DaltonStone> i just got my ubuntu cd and it wont install
[05:34] <DaltonStone> it says i dont have a root file
[05:34] <jayveee> you mean root filesystem?
[05:35] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, tryal and error. its just the same as the live cd. but on a usb.
[05:35] <DaltonStone> yes when i try to make a partion
[05:35] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, i shoud unmount it first or what?
[05:35] <Cann0n> !source
[05:35] <meowbuntu> !google | Cann0n
[05:35] <harleypig> -!- No results found
[05:35] <jayveee> DaltonStone: you must edit one of the partitions and tell it the mount point is /
[05:36] <Cann0n> so, if I have a real question, is there anyone here that could answer it without using a bot?
[05:36] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, another thing is, when i open the application, the usb disk gets automounted
[05:36] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, unmount then replug in the usb and it will auto mount it
[05:36] <DaltonStone> well i had windows 7 on the hard drive and i want to install ubuntu
[05:37] <Cann0n> How do I change the registers for my MMC reader?
[05:37] <DaltonStone> and it gives me a choose to side by side or take up the hole harddrive
[05:37] <jayveee> DaltonStone: have you created a Linux partition yet?
[05:37] <meowbuntu> yes. obscurant1st dont get distracted just playaround by your self you will learn that way
[05:37] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, ok. :D
[05:37] <DaltonStone> no im kinda new in this started 2 months ago
[05:37] <jayveee> DaltonStone: yeah, I'd recommend the side-by-side option if you want to keep Windows 7
[05:37] <DaltonStone> no i hate it
[05:37] <jayveee> oh that's good — format the whole drive then :)
[05:37] <obscurant1st> DaltonStone, wait
[05:38] <DaltonStone> hoe
[05:38] <DaltonStone> how
[05:38] <obscurant1st> if you have data, just install it side by side remove the boot options for that
[05:38] <meowbuntu> DaltonStone, i'll give you $50 for your origional copy of win7 if you dont want it
[05:38] <DaltonStone> it was a beta i dont thank you want it
[05:38] <tucemiux> anyone knows where I can download nvu from?
[05:39] <meowbuntu> na i got the betta and that is going to run out in a couple of months
[05:39] <DaltonStone> in ten days
[05:39] <obscurant1st> DaltonStone, after the ubuntu installation just delete the partition
[05:39] <meowbuntu> tucemiux, google uvu downloads
[05:39] <Cann0n> so, I need to change the address of my MMC memory register. IT's in hex, I know that, but how do i edit it?
[05:39] <DaltonStone> but it wont let me
[05:39] <Cann0n> Is it in hal?
[05:39] <DaltonStone> i need step by step by phone
[05:40] <ankush_> jayveee:i have ubuntu 9.10 in one partition and ubutu 9.04 in other. whenevr i try to format ubuntu 9.04 the system doesnt boot? can u help?
[05:40] <Cann0n> DaltonStone: I'll call you.
[05:40] <`mOOse`> oh dear
[05:40] <ripdisk> losha: still here
[05:40] <ankush_> jayveee: sorry ..that was ubuntu 9.10 that i wish to partition
[05:41] <HeMan> Hi! I've installed Lucid (yes I know it isn't released yet), should I report bugs I find there?
[05:41] <Losha> ripdisk: I'm beat. Can we call it a night & try again tomorrow?
[05:41] <DaltonStone> k can i get your number
[05:41] <meowbuntu> tucemiux, do you want uvu application or addon
[05:41] <wolter> can dpkg tell me which application installed x file>
[05:41] <wolter> ?
[05:42] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, sorry i meant to say nvu
[05:42] <Losha> wolter: check out dpkg -S in man dpkg
[05:42] <ZykoticK9> HeMan, of course - that's what the beta is for ;)  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[05:42] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, nvu application
[05:42] <jayveee> ankush_: ouch
[05:42] <jayveee> ankush_: unfortunately I'm about to go offline, so can't help you
[05:42] <Cann0n> so no one knows how to change the memory address on an MMC card reader?
[05:42] <DaltonStone> well does ubuntu have a phone number
[05:42] <jayveee> somebody else help ankush_ ?
[05:42] <Cann0n> isn't there a bot command for it?
[05:42] <ankush_> jayveee: ok..thankx anyway
[05:43] <tucemiux> HeMan, please do, you can use launchpad to do that, you can also use #ubuntu+1 to discuss the bugs you find on lucid
[05:43] <HeMan> ZykoticK9: ok, I wasn't sure since it's only alpha yet
[05:43] <meowbuntu> !nvu
[05:43] <Cann0n> !mmc
[05:43] <meowbuntu> ^ tucemiux
[05:43] <jacquesdupontd> hey
[05:44] <jacquesdupontd> this page has to be modified
[05:44] <HeMan> tucemiux: I usually try to do bugreporting (and sometimes triageing) on bugs I find
[05:44] <meowbuntu> tucemiux, did you see that
[05:44] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, thanks, I hate using PPA's, I'd rather just install the deb package
[05:44] <jacquesdupontd> it makes now 2 days i'm trying juste to install this release (and i'm not a newbie) with an nvidia card, it's not working
[05:44] <jacquesdupontd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/MobileKarmicMoblinRemix?action=show
[05:44] <wolter> thanks Losha
[05:44] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, yes I did find it
[05:44] <meowbuntu> great
[05:44] <Cann0n> so no one knows how to change the memory address on an MMC card reader?
[05:44] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, can you check seomthing on your system for me, in that startup creator the options which comes under the device to use, i mane that slider and radio button, are they greyed out or active?
[05:44] <jacquesdupontd> the guys who made this release must have had an ati and forgot that some people may have some nvidia
[05:45] <meowbuntu> hold on obscurant1st
[05:45] <jacquesdupontd> i went crazy i nearly tried everything
[05:45] <obscurant1st> k
[05:45] <jacquesdupontd> i know all files by heart , took files even from the real moblin version (fed)
[05:45] <tucemiux> HeMan, sometimes you can get a lot more help on launchpad with bugs than in the support channel, if you continually test on your machine I suspect the official release will work without issues out of the box on the machine you tested
[05:47] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, so basically nvu is ded and kompozer is the living continuation of the application?
[05:47] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, that is for saving sessions to on the usb. incase you want to create a save file. if you just want ti to be a live sustem for installing to say a netbook tehn select the discarded on shutdown. adn anything you do woll be lost.
[05:47] <meowbuntu> tucemiux, so it seems i have ndever used it
[05:48] <DaltonStone> so can anyone help me
[05:48] <obscurant1st> but the thing is in my case it is greyed out, its not active.
[05:48] <obscurant1st> i think there is some problem
[05:48] <meowbuntu> tucemiux, google and find out more info
[05:48] <Cann0n> Can I get help?
[05:48] <josh_> anyone have any suggestions on a keylogger?
[05:48] <tucemiux> !ask| DaltonStone
[05:48] <meowbuntu> !ask | DaltonStone
[05:48] <tucemiux> meowbuntu, thanks, I already installed it
[05:48] <the_ajunk> lll
[05:49] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, but the thing is in my case it is greyed out, its not active.
[05:49] <tucemiux> Cann0n, ask your question, all in one line, if anyone knows the answer they will surely reply
[05:49] <the_ajunk> how are you ?
[05:49] <tucemiux> !ot | the_ajunk
[05:49] <Cann0n> I need no know how to change the memory address on an MMC card reader?
[05:49] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, have you selected your iso image and device to install to
[05:49] <DaltonStone> i cant install ubuntu
[05:49] <the_ajunk> yes
[05:49] <meowbuntu> ^ then it will work
[05:49] <Cann0n> the_ajunk: I'm fine. You?
[05:50] <meowbuntu> DaltonStone, you need an iso
[05:50] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, no its not getting selected, after selectin it and clickin on ok, doesnot change anything, the whole window remains the same.
[05:50] <DaltonStone> i just got the ubuntu cd though
[05:51] <josh_> i need a decent easily accesible keylogger for ubuntu any ideas?
[05:51] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, maybe i should try the other application u mentioned
[05:51] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, mind teeling it again pls?
[05:51] <obscurant1st> telling*
[05:51] <tucemiux> Cann0n, you want to change the "memory address" of a card reader?  are you an advanced user?
[05:51] <ripdisk> josh: try using screen or something
[05:51] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, have you checked the iso immage. you need to do a checksum on it. adn see if its the same as the one from the website. if not then the iso is currupted
[05:51] <ripdisk> i think it will log too..
[05:51] <meowbuntu> !checksum
[05:51] <DaltonStone> i just got the ubuntu cd though
[05:51] <mneptok> obscurant1st: did you format the USB stick as FAT32?
[05:51] <josh_> ripdisk...its just called screen?
[05:52] <obscurant1st> yep its fat32
[05:52] <obscurant1st> let me check the md5
[05:52] <obscurant1st> i min
[05:52] <c_nick> while installing Google Chrome from the Archives i get this error description at the very end "installArchives() failed"
[05:52] <Cann0n> tucemiux: I'm trying to get my onboard MMC card reader working. It's calling the wrong memory address... I doubt anyone here can help me because I've already tried !mmc and the retarded bot didn't know what I was talking about.
[05:52] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, no the iso immage of ubuntu
[05:52] <Cann0n> Since 95% of this channel's help comes from the bot, I cuess I'm screwed.
[05:53] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, iso img of ubuntu?
[05:53] <meowbuntu> Cann0n, thats not true. the bot is accessed by users and containes basic info that is commonly asked in the channel
[05:53] <obscurant1st> i dont need USB bot for iso image of ubuntu
[05:53] <obscurant1st> i need it for iso imgae of backtrack
[05:53] <chu_> Hey guys, I have an issue with Evolution. I think my net died while trying to send an email and now whenever I open Evolution or try to receive email, it sends the same email out. This is pretty tedious for the receiver of the email. There's an option to "Cancel the current mail operation" though it doesn't do anything.
[05:53] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, are you new to ubuntu and linux
[05:53] <ripdisk> josh: i'm sorry, i probably shouldn't have said anything.
[05:54] <newclimb> anyone already install ubuntu in toshiba u505s2005?
[05:54] <obscurant1st> no!! :O why, am i behaving like one?
[05:54] <ripdisk> josh: i'm not a helper here, but i know 'screen'' lets you look what another user is typing in console..;
[05:54] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, the iso check sum is the same
[05:54] <meowbuntu> ok start again
[05:54] <Cann0n> meowbuntu: might as well tell people to use google, since it's actually quicker to get more detailed help by googling the buntu forums. however, I haven't found anyone with my issue an the forums. most the threads are about compiz fusion
[05:54] <tucemiux> Cann0n, so your question is you want to configure your MMC card reader to work, that is why no one gave a reply, changing the memory address is not an easy thing to do since that is done by the operating system, what you really want to do is have your MMC Card Reader working with ubuntu which I dont believe is possible since it looks like that piece of hardware is not supported, you can probably search the forum or open a bug report in
[05:54] <tucemiux> launchpad and request for a driver to be written
[05:55] <`mOOse`> Cann0n the question you are asking is highly unusual and only the app developer would really be able to help you - Sorry we dissapoint you
[05:55] <emma> how do I set the Xkb Options in Ubuntu?
[05:55] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, shut down the application start again i never had this much truble.
[05:55] <emma> I want to set my Compose key
[05:55] <josh_> lol ok...so it will let me come to my computer and see what has been typed through out the day?
[05:55] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, 1 thing is the usb still fat32
[05:55] <obscurant1st> i need to make a bootable usb of backtrack from the iso image,
[05:55] <`mOOse`> and Cann0n - personally the tone you're taking isn't helping
[05:55] <Cann0n> `mOOse`: but this channel has HOW many users? It's the biggest support chan on freenode.
[05:55] <obscurant1st> oh meowbuntu you didnt ask me to start over the problem.. ooops.. :D
[05:56] <ripdisk> josh: no. but you can set it up for logging. let me look for something
[05:56] <obscurant1st> i tried it several times.. :(
[05:56] <`mOOse`> Cann0n and your point is? If there's someone in here who can help you they will - your continuously badgering the channel will get you nowhere
[05:56] <pedestrianentran> Id like to add my own tags to a jpgs from a script and then import the images into fspot and be able to use the tags ive added.... Any suggestions?
[05:56] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, pls tell me the other application you mentioned earlier for this.
[05:56] <josh_> ripdisk ok thanks
[05:56] <newclimb> anyone already install ubuntu in toshiba u505s2005?
[05:57] <`mOOse`> Cann0n - you're not grasping the level of complexity of your task
[05:57] <emma> anyone know which menu lets you set Xkb settings in Ubuntu? I see nothing like that.
[05:57] <ripdisk> josh: there's not really too many ''legal'' reasons for a keylogger..
[05:57] <meowbuntu>  unetbootin. you can try that but the ubuntu one works fine. maby its the iso file you have not being reckognised. ???
[05:57] <mneptok> !google > Cann0n
[05:57] <harleypig> -!- No results found
[05:57] <ripdisk> josh: if you're worried about what other people are doing on your computer, set up user accounts for them
[05:57] <emma> Id like to do the Ubuntu equivalent of what's on this page --- http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html
[05:57] <pedestrianentran> fspot has an option of saving tags to metadata of jpgs but i cant see them when I look at the images using exiv2
[05:57] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, also maby it only works with ubuntu baised os.
[05:57] <Cann0n> I guess telling people to use google is about as best help I will get.
[05:58] <Cann0n> I obviously came to the wrong place...
[05:58] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, oh, it may be like that.. :(
[05:58] <josh_> ripdisk: though there are many "illegal" type things i could do with a logger and might want to do this is not the situation at all
[05:58] <Cann0n> sigh...
[05:58] <ripdisk> oh
[05:58] <ripdisk> well i don't think there's a keylogger
[05:58] <ripdisk> but i know linux lets you look at what programs a user has used
[05:58] <tucemiux> Cann0n, is the MMD card reader built in on a laptop?
[05:58] <ripdisk> used*
[05:58] <josh_> ripdisk" just more trying to weed through the bullshit of a relationship im in lol
[05:59] <Cann0n> tucemiux: MMC, and yes
[05:59] <emma> josh_: definitely offtopic for #ubuntu :)
[05:59] <sysdoc> !checksum
[05:59] <josh_> emma; i know sorry
[05:59] <`mOOse`> there are a few legitimate uses for a keylogger - parents use them all the time
[05:59] <sysdoc> !check md5
[06:00] <`mOOse`> they install as rootkits ;-)
[06:00] <abhi_nav> what changes to made to make ubuntu laptop friendly??
[06:00] <tucemiux> Cann0n, that is a known bug, maybe this thread will help you, the easiest solution is to just purchase a cheap USB card reader, they run around $10, you can look at this thread if you really want your card reader to work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285039
[06:00] <Cann0n> I've been to that thread. Has nothing to do with my issue.
[06:01] <chu_> I guess you should create a bug report than.
[06:01] <chu_> then*
[06:01] <Cann0n> All I have to do is change the hex address of the device.
[06:01] <meowbuntu> obscurant1st, are you having luck installing unetbootin
[06:02] <Cann0n> chu_: bug reports don't solve issues. I've been on bugzilla for years.
[06:02] <tucemiux> Cann0n, create a bug report
[06:02] <josh_> moose: where would i get a root kit? dumb question i know but finding a good linux logger is proving difficult
[06:02] <jacquesdupontd> can somone advice me to choose the best UI for a tablet computer having good performances ? (i want something user useable and with good effects, got nvidia chipset)
[06:02] <jacquesdupontd> That would be very cool
[06:02] <Cann0n> tucemiux: it's not a bug... I just have to change the address...
[06:02] <meowbuntu> !md5 obscurant1st
[06:02]  * Cann0n face palms.
[06:02] <tucemiux> Cann0n, have you used launchpad to file a bug report?
[06:03] <fixworx> Is there a software repository that enables me to install closed-source software (Google Earth, for example)?
[06:03] <jacquesdupontd> cause there's not so much release except Moblin wich is completly buggy
[06:03] <Cann0n> tucemiux: have you tried googling go-fucks-yourself?
[06:03] <meowbuntu> !md5 sysdoc
[06:03] <abhi_nav> fixword: u can install google earth by downloading setup file from their website
[06:03] <tucemiux> Cann0n, if it doesnt work out of the box, it's a bug
[06:03] <chu_> Nice, intelligent guy that Cann0n.
[06:03] <abhi_nav> fixworx: u can install google earth by downloading setup file from their website
[06:03] <meowbuntu> !md5 | sysdoc
[06:03] <`mOOse`> josh_ - I don't know :-)
[06:03] <gavin__> hmm. what window manager should i install to mess around with in virtualbox?
[06:04] <abhi_nav> fixworx: i have installed it
[06:04] <Shazam> anyone with strong linux & webcam experience?
[06:04] <josh_> moose: lol ok fair enough
[06:04] <fixworx> abhi_nav, i'll give it a shot, thanks :) just wondering if someone maintains a repository for something like all the software that exists for ubuntu
[06:05] <obscurant1st> meowbuntu, i am tryin it
[06:05] <obscurant1st> i mean the unetbooting thing
[06:05] <obscurant1st> :d
[06:05] <meowbuntu> good just have fun
[06:09] <josh_> ##security
[06:11] <LSD|Ninja> Which cpufreq governor do I want if I want it to step through all the available states instead of just flicking back and forth between extremes?
[06:11] <titan_ark> hey does anyone know hoe to use the rsync command?
[06:11] <LSD|Ninja> the man does
[06:11] <titan_ark> i am having some trouble using it
[06:12] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync titan_ark
[06:12] <ZykoticK9> LSD|Ninja, have you tried Gnome's "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor" panel applet
[06:13] <Bublik> hello
[06:13] <Bublik> im new to ubuntu
[06:13] <Bublik> whats a good guide on starting up ?
[06:13] <LSD|Ninja> ZykoticK9: Yeah, that's how I know it's flicking between the two extremes
[06:13] <titan_ark> bazhang, i have read thro its man, the problem i am facing is that the destination path partition name has a space and i get an error that the destination path dpes not exist
[06:14] <shawnboy> Bublik: u could start with ubuntu pocket guide
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> titan_ark, try using a \ before the space
[06:15] <ZykoticK9> titan_ark, like\ this\ for\ example
[06:15] <mneptok> Bublik: http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html
[06:15] <titan_ark> ZykoticK9, thanks shall try it
[06:15] <semitones> titan_ark, you can also use quotes around the path
[06:16] <semitones> but forward slashes work better
[06:16] <titan_ark> ZykoticK9, semitones thanks a ton! seems to work! shall check what all got copied now =)
[06:17] <semitones> Bublik, try this one :) http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[06:18] <Bublik> thank ^_^
[06:18] <ArtyG> Is there a chance that doing cat /proc/cpuinfo could tell me the wrong frequency for a processor with scaling?
[06:18] <LSD|Ninja> ArtyG: it depends on what you mean by "wrong". It'll tell you the frequency of whatever state its in when you cat it
[06:18] <semitones> Bublik, you're welcome :)
[06:18] <titan_ark> cool! works like a charm!!!
[06:18] <ArtyG> I ran a benchmark, and it keeps telling me that it's 800MHz.
[06:19] <titan_ark> Now i need to find a way to schedule it using crontab!!!
[06:19] <titan_ark> Linux rox! :D
[06:20] <LSD|Ninja> ArtyG: What CPU is it? 800MHz is the lowest start on my Phenom II which is where it stays most of the time. That's what I'm asking about now actually. It takes a bit of a kick to get it to move out of 800MHz and it just jumos straight to 3GHz where under Windows it would flick between 2-3 other states depending on the load
[06:20] <ArtyG> Intel Atom N270.
[06:20] <ArtyG> Tops out at 1.6GHz
[06:21] <linkiduu> hiii
[06:21] <LSD|Ninja> ArtyG: Putting the frequency scaling monitor on your panel will let you know when it changes states
[06:21] <ArtyG> Not to be a communist, but I'm actually using Xubuntu, which seems not to have a scaling monitor.
[06:21] <ArtyG> Unless I just missed it.
[06:22] <LSD|Ninja> ArtyG: xfce possibly has something similar, but I wouldn't have the first clue what it is
[06:22] <semitones> you should be able to install gnome's scaling monitor in the toolbar if xfce doesn't have it
[06:24] <MilitantPotato> ArtyG: don't install the EEE apps in synaptic
[06:24] <MilitantPotato> ArtyG: they break a lot
[06:25] <ArtyG> Ahhh, there we go.
[06:25] <chu_> Does anyone know much about Evolution?
[06:25] <ArtyG> Found an Xfce frequency monitor.
[06:25] <ArtyG> Guess it is scaling, I just couldn't see it from catting /proc/cpuinfo
[06:26] <ArtyG> Boy, 9.10 is great. All my hardware works out of the box now. Woop woop.
[06:27]  * B|aSS is away: Yeah dude, Im Away!
[06:28] <indus> !info evolution | chu_
[06:28] <semitones> woop woop! dats da sound of da police
[06:28] <LSD|Ninja> ArtyG: cpuinfo only reports the frequency it's at when you cat it which will almost certainly be the lowest frequency state most of the time. If you catch it in a higher frequency state, then that's what you'll see. Now, if only they'd adjust it to report multicore/HT CPUs (1 entry per physical CPU with extra entries for core and thread count) properly.
[06:28] <linkiduu> If I install postfix, will I be able to send mails from my dynamic Ip adress ?
[06:28] <indus> why does it say is optional? its not optional
[06:29] <semitones> indus, optional means your system will still function if it's uninstalled
[06:29] <indus> semitones, ok thanks, makes sense now
[06:29] <indus> !info linux-image
[06:29] <Entelin> can I burn a 700meg iso onto a dvd and have it work?
[06:29] <bazhang> Entelin, sure
[06:29] <indus> !info mountall
[06:30] <Entelin> ok cool
[06:30] <indus> mmpff
[06:30] <bazhang> Entelin, or a usb flash key
[06:30] <indus> semitones, thanks, i see now
[06:30] <semitones> indus, sure thing, also see !packaging
[06:30] <indus> Entelin, what iso?
[06:30] <Entelin> debian install disk
[06:30] <indus> !packaging
[06:31] <Entelin> i'm out of regular cd's
[06:31] <indus> Entelin, of course, dvd's work too
[06:31] <Entelin> ok great
[06:31] <MilitantPotato> Entelin: Have a USB stick?
[06:31] <indus> Entelin, so want to boot debian?
[06:31] <chu_> Yep, indus I have Evolution installed. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with it, enough to answer some questions?
[06:31] <indus> !DEBIAN
[06:32] <semitones> msgthebot > indus
[06:32] <indus> chu_, well most will have basic configuration info here
[06:32] <semitones> er
[06:32] <indus> semitones, yes /msg ubottu <>
[06:32] <indus> i know
[06:32] <semitones> kk
[06:32] <chu_> Nah, it's configured - I've been using it for a good 6 months, but I've come up with an issue.
[06:32] <indus> chu_, like what issue thy face
[06:33] <semitones> indus, this channel already scrolls really fast -- investigating the bot too much makes it that much harder to read
[06:33] <indus> i always get the send mail part of evo wrong
[06:33] <chu_> I think my net died while trying to send an email and now whenever I open Evolution or try to receive email, it sends the same email out. This is pretty tedious for the receiver of the email. There's an option to "Cancel the current mail operation" though it doesn't do anything.
[06:34] <indus> chu_, ah yes i have faced this, but haveto search my brain, you mean, it doesnt really delete from send queue right?
[06:34] <chu_> Yep, exactly.
[06:35] <w3rd_> hey guys im trying to use my ipod touch with jaunty? anybody familiar with ifuse? for some reason im not able to mount the touch, i can see the pics but not any of the other stuff?
[06:36] <c_nick> Is there any twitter extension for Chrome ?
[06:36] <c_nick> i mean better than ChromeBird.. did not quite like it
[06:37] <indus> chu_,ok i need you to go through the steps you are trying to delete it ,so i can recollect
[06:37] <indus> chu_, one thing i remember though is expunge , from folders menu
[06:38] <indus> chu_, i mean, it clears the delete folder , did you delete the mail from the outbox?
[06:38] <chu_> indus, I haven't yet no.
[06:39] <magn3ts> How do I force firefox to revert to the version from the ubuntu repos instead of the version in the mozilla ppa I loaded?
[06:39] <indus> chu_, then it will keep sending but should clear once sent
[06:39] <chu_> indus, if I go to my sent box, it actually doesn't display any email I've sent for the past few months, unfortunately.
[06:39] <indus> chu_, mm i think i had a diff problem
[06:39] <indus> chu_, did you delete the .evo folder?
[06:39] <chu_> I haven't touched anything yet.
[06:39] <magn3ts> meh, never mind, I'll just force version for now
[06:40] <magn3ts> er, that wants to remove songbird, java plugin, etc so lets not do that
[06:40] <indus> chu_, can you open the .evolution folder and check under mail
[06:41] <indus> chu_, but its too many files nvm
[06:41] <chu_> Ok, I'm in mail - would I go into imap?
[06:41] <indus> chu_, no thats for receive i think
[06:41] <crunge> anyone else find that X11 no longer seems able to talk to the nvidia driver?
[06:42] <indus> chu_, go to local
[06:42] <indus> chu_, i am just guessing here
[06:42] <chu_> Now outbox?
[06:42] <indus> chu_, i just deleted the .evolution folder and restarted, but backed up all mail
[06:42] <indus> chu_, check outbox index
[06:43] <linkiduu> Hi. I have a monitor which has got 1600*900 resolution..gfx card also supports it..but on Ubuntu, even with drivers,,I get max of 1240 *800 :(
[06:43] <chu_> Hey, if I emacs the Outbox file (in .evolution/local) there's the bastardly email!
[06:43] <RecycleCorn>  It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place!    They never will!  The same goes for New Orleans!  Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed.  What have the niggers in N
[06:43] <RecycleCorn> ew Orleans done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout Forum!  http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[06:43] <FloodBot1> RecycleCorn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:43] <indus> chu_, heh
[06:43] <chu_> Wow, does that happen often?
[06:44] <indus> chu_, hmm yes sometimes
[06:44] <mneptok> chu_: once is too often
[06:44] <indus> chu_, so i guess deleting that should be reasonably safe
[06:44] <indus> chu_, try and see
[06:44] <chu_> If I just delete this Outbox file - which only contains this evil email, should all be good?
[06:45] <chu_> Yeah alright, thanks for the help indus
[06:45] <newclimb> anyone already install ubuntu in toshiba u505s2005?
[06:45] <indus> chu_,do make sure it still doesnt show in outbox
[06:45] <joppan> Recylecorn:whois civlilised
[06:46] <w3rd_> anybody familiar with ipod touch and ubuntu?
[06:46] <w3rd_> or a good way to remote a ubuntu system?
[06:46] <linkiduu> Hi. I have a monitor which has got 1600*900 resolution..gfx card also supports it..but on Ubuntu, even with drivers,,I get max of 1240 *800 :(
[06:46] <chu_> Whoops, I don't think Evolution like that
[06:46] <indus> chu_, why
[06:46] <chu_> Now I get an error
[06:47] <B|aSS> /j kkkkkkkkkk
[06:47] <B|aSS> /j #kkkkkkkkkk
[06:47] <chu_> Sweet, looks like he may have gone away
[06:47] <LSD|Ninja> w3rd_: iSSH has an X server and VNC client. It's a paid app though, but as near as I can tell, it's pretty much the best such app for iPhone/iPod touch
[06:48] <chu_> Bugger, nopr
[06:48] <chu_> nope*
[06:48] <indus> chu_, restart evo
[06:48] <geeksatlarge> Can anyone give me help with a Ubuntu problem?
[06:48] <phaer> !ask
[06:48] <_dumont> test
[06:49] <geeksatlarge> Cool.
[06:49] <chu_> Still get the error indus - something about "Cannot get message from folder"
[06:49] <chu_> At least it's not sending an email now though :p
[06:49] <indus> chu_, yes some cache thing , manually deleted message from folder outbox?
[06:50] <Shazam> I'd like to rename a bunch of files programmatically. they're all formatted garbage_text_real_filename, and I'd like just real_filename. what's the quick, scripty way to do this?
[06:50] <linkiduu> Hi. I have a monitor which has got 1600*900 resolution..gfx card also supports it..but on Ubuntu, even with drivers,,I get max of 1240 *800 :(
[06:50] <chu_> I don't actually have an Outbox folder per say - I have something called Sent, but the last email in that was one I sent 8/12/2009 .... :/
[06:51] <geeksatlarge> I can't 'su root'.  I'm running Ubuntu in Sun VirtualBox.  During the install, I was not prompted to setup a root account.  Therefore when Ubuntu came up I didn't have a root password.  Now I can't access root through the shell.  Is there something I don't know about?
[06:51] <LSD|Ninja> linkiduu: your monitor may not be reporting the correct EDID info so the drivers have no idea what the native res is. Was it working properly with the generic ones before you installed the other ones?
[06:51] <Entelin> how can i tell if I am using the 32 or 64 bit release? i dont recall which I installed...  /proc/version doesnt specify it
[06:51] <Myrtti> !sudo
[06:51] <phaer> geeksatlarge: use sudo
[06:51] <Entelin> Linux version 2.6.32-020632-generic (root@zinc) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)) #020632 SMP Thu Dec 3 10:58:45 UTC 2009
[06:52] <Entelin> is that 32 bit?
[06:52] <linkiduu> LSD|Ninja: it works properly on WIndows
[06:52] <Shazam> I know a perl one-liner would work, but it seems like something I ought to be able to do with just the shell
[06:52] <phaer> Entelin: uname -m gives you the machine
[06:52] <geeksatlarge> Thanks, I'll try that.  Bye!
[06:52] <mrb427> is there a unix wildcard that specifies the end of the filename, ex) ls *.png should not include image.png.cropped
[06:53] <Entelin> ok great thanks
[06:53]  * bittin is away: d
[06:53] <LSD|Ninja> linkiduu: So do a lot of things. First thing you have to learn about Linux is hardware support is either good, or downright terrible, there's no middle ground. When you first booted the livecd to install Ubuntu, was it at the right resolution?
[06:53] <Shazam> mrb427: && ^*.chopped
[06:54] <indus> Entelin, uname -a
[06:54] <mrb427> Shazam: so ls *.png && ^*.chopped
[06:54]  * bittin is back (gone 00:00:06)
[06:54] <mrb427> Shazam: that will return only things ENDING in .png??
[06:54] <linkiduu> in liveboot cd , it was only 800*600..after I installed drivers..it came to 1024
[06:54] <Shazam> mrb427: if you want to list just the files that end in .png, then ls *.png will do that for you
[06:55] <tweiseman> why am i awake?
[06:55] <mrb427> Shazam: oh, sorry, i mispoke.  I need it to return only things ending in .png and not things like .cropped.png
[06:57] <friendishan> hello
[06:57] <friendishan> anyone know where is the pidgin directory? i want to look for history in it history of old chats
[06:58] <mrb427> Shazam: to be clear, ls *.png should return file.png and file2.png etc but not file.cropped.png
[06:58] <linkiduu> home/.purple
[06:58] <chu_> indus - looking through the Evolution FAQ and there is nothing, now unfortunately with a name like evolution google isn't very friendly (I would have thought with asking about email in evolution would be obvious to google, but apparently not), do you know where you got the information?
[06:58] <friendishan> !patience
[06:58] <friendishan> yay ubottu is  back
[06:58] <linkiduu> :D
[06:58] <indus> chu_, i just g uessed :)
[06:59] <indus> chu_, generally all data is saved locally in hidden dir
[06:59] <chu_> Yeah, the data's gone now, but it still thinks I want to send an email - for which there is no data! and I can't work out how to tell it not to.
[06:59] <Sa[i]nT> If I install the KDE from the repos, is it KDE4.4?
[07:00] <linkiduu> Ishan: you can see the pidigin logs in /home/USERNAME/.purple/logs
[07:01] <indus> Sa[i]nT, i think its 4.3,
[07:01] <indus> chu_, just restart your pc
[07:02] <indus> chu_, or clear cache , ther is an option somewher in menu
[07:05] <hsr> Will upgrade affect my bookmarks in Firefox????
[07:06] <Shazam> mrb427:  ls -l *.png | perl -lne 'print if $_ !~ /cropped/'
[07:06] <hsr> Hello room'
[07:06] <kinja-sheep> hsr: No it should not. Also, use XMark addon. It is awesome for sync-ing your bookmarks with a server (and to sync with other machines too).
[07:06] <Shazam> mrb427: not the most elegant way to do it, but it gets it done
[07:07] <Sa[i]nT> What do I type in the terminal to install kde
[07:08] <rothsdad> hi, is there a rss reader that works in console?
[07:08] <bazhang> Sa[i]nT, install the package kubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <rww> Sa[i]nT: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <faultyground> Hey all.  Since the last round of updates went out, Firefox is no longer starting for me.  No error, just about 5 seconds of the busy cursor, then returns to idle.  Any thoughts?
[07:08] <rww> faultyground: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[07:08] <hsr> kinja-sheep: Thank you
[07:08] <faultyground> rww:  Sorry, 9.10
[07:09] <rww> faultyground: ah, okay. Not the problem I was thinking of, then :)
[07:09] <chu_> faultyground: try opening firefox in a terminal, should give you some diagnosis information
[07:09] <faultyground> chu_: will do, trying now
[07:10] <hsr> Hello again, how can i change paper size of any pdf?
[07:10] <faultyground> chu_:  "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.1.*."
[07:10] <tottiq> like a zoom?
[07:10]  * rothsdad hey all, could anybody recommend a cli rss reader plz
[07:11] <chu_> faultyground: Don't know if there's a resolution (my net is too slow to load graphical sites at the moment for some reason), but this might have something: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1360940
[07:11] <faultyground> chu_:  I'll read up on it and see if theres anything there, thanks =)
[07:12] <researcher1> how can I browse with IE6 in Ubuntu and enjoy the effect of Active X control enabled?
[07:12]  * faultyground KA-OPERA!
[07:12] <chu_> I'm trying to load it, but chances are it will load at least 10x faster on your end. Frustrating me.
[07:12] <linkiduu> you can install it through wine..but you can emulate ie6. by using a firefox addon called user agent changer
[07:14] <researcher1> linkiduu:i have  wine installed already. what do i do next?
[07:14] <linkiduu> if it asks for .net support ..install mono
[07:14] <linkiduu> then download ie6 setup
[07:14] <Shazam> how do you unload a module?
[07:15] <chu_> Shazam: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=360512
[07:16] <chu_> Possibly not, I'm trying to load the page, but it will take a long time so it's easier for you to read it. Sorry
[07:16] <herbero> does anyone here know how to check a new hd with smartctl or hdparm or smart montools? I plugged in a 2TB SATA but it is not coming up in /dev and it is not warm to the touch, nor is it listed in fdisk
[07:16] <herbero> I need to partition it though
[07:17] <indus> herbero, it shouldnt warm if not used at all
[07:18] <kinja-sheep> To get by this winter season, I use bunch of old HDDs instead of a radiator. =\
[07:18] <herbero> lol
[07:18] <chu_> indus, should killing x count as a reboot? I just don't want to reboot if possible.
[07:18] <herbero> indus: that is what I figured, but I thought maybe I just wasn't accessing/mounting it so it might not be as hot. In any case, I would still like to check it within my comp
[07:18] <faultyground> chu_: got it, reinstalled xulrunner via synaptic, problem solved, thanks for the link =)
[07:19] <kinja-sheep> herbero: Have you reboot?
[07:19] <ArQiLLiOnS> im in tha HOUSE!
[07:19] <blackrock> is there any good dvd maker on linux?
[07:19] <chu_> faultyground: Glad it worked out for you.
[07:19] <herbero> kinja-sheep, yes
[07:19] <blackrock> with menu maker
[07:19] <kinja-sheep> herbero: It is toggled on in the BIOS?
[07:19] <alabd> Hello ,  what are Gnu/Linux benefits , specifications that distinguish it from all other OS's ?
[07:20] <herbero> alabd: freedom
[07:20] <chu_> Homework?
[07:20] <kinja-sheep> !info devede | blackrock
[07:20] <ArtyG> GNU/Linux is a magical unicorn that flies through our dreams. That's the main benefit.
[07:20] <chu_> Mmm. be back hopefully.
[07:21] <blackrock> thx kinja-sheep, ubottu
[07:22] <chu_> Well, killing X did nothing to resolve the issue.
[07:23] <ArQiLLiOnS> u know where i can get proposal for file sharing server using ubuntu??
[07:29] <chu_> ArQiLLiOnS: Pardon? You want to set-up a file sharing server which is running Ubuntu?
[07:29] <ArQiLLiOnS> yes...
[07:30] <ArQiLLiOnS> is that possible...?
[07:30] <ArQiLLiOnS> it is right, im new so need more info
[07:30] <Flannel> ArQiLLiOnS: What sort of sharing are you hoping for?
[07:35] <ArQiLLiOnS> actually im looking for a high speed network, linking to 4 MacPro`s, for editing purposes on HD...they need fast transfer rate, to cut the transfer time, plus the want to centralized all of their movie clips, wat hardware plus should i consider "optic cable"?
[07:36] <Flannel> ArQiLLiOnS: er.  You're talking about physical network?  That'd be a different channel
[07:37] <chu_> ArQiLLiOnS: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/05/19/how-to-share-files-and-folders-in-ubuntu/
[07:37] <Flannel> !nfs
[07:37] <ArQiLLiOnS> well im considering using Ubuntu for the server OS, cuz they only need to use the server as a storage device
[07:37] <Flannel> That's the software you want to use
[07:37] <Flannel> (NFS if you just need to talk between *nixes, including OSX)
[07:37] <paotzu> aggregated 1000basex
[07:38] <paotzu> I mean basesx
[07:38] <chu_> Is UF down or is my net just really bad? I seem to be able to load google roughly ok, but UF is just terrible....
[07:38] <Diverdude> is it possible to make a global directory shortcut? Like for example ~/ is short for /home/usrname, i would like to make one called e.g. arb/ which should correspond to /media/Traydata/arbejde ?
[07:39] <chu_> Diverdude: I think it's a symbolic link?
[07:39] <Diverdude> chu_, i see...how are those made?
[07:39] <ArQiLLiOnS> how bout the transferring? any suggestions? how to make it faster? fiber optic?
[07:39] <ArQiLLiOnS> cuz they deal alot in HD format
[07:40] <indus> herbero, sudo fdisk -l will show
[07:40] <paotzu> ArQiLLiOns: aggregated 1000basesx
[07:40] <indus> chu_, so is it still there?
[07:40] <chu_> indus, yeah unfortunately.
[07:40] <paotzu> ArQiLLiOns: fiber aggregating tap
[07:41] <chu_> Diverdude: Check this out, don't know what it says, but it was the top link from google on symbolic link with ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/user-guide/C/gosnautilus-8.html
[07:41] <herbero> indus: yeah, it is not there
[07:41] <herbero> indus: so they sent me a bunk one
[07:41] <indus> herbero, external disk?
[07:41] <indus> herbero, works on windows?
[07:41] <ArQiLLiOnS> thanx paotzu
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[07:44] <Diverdude> chu_, i do not think symbolic link is the solution
[07:44] <chu_> ActionParsnip will most definitely have a solution Diverdude ... Repeat your question :p
[07:45] <ArQiLLiOnS> what if i dont want to convert it to ethernet from fiber, meaning fiber all the way? am i asking the right question :)
[07:45] <ActionParsnip> Chu_: he he. Bit tired but I'll try.
[07:45] <Diverdude> is it possible to make a global directory shortcut? Like for example ~/ is short for /home/usrname, i would like to make one called e.g. arb/ which should correspond to /media/Traydata/arbejde ?
[07:45] <ActionParsnip> Chu_: thanks btw ;)
[07:45] <indus> ActionParsnip, yo yo
[07:46] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: could create an export in .bashrc
[07:46] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: you can then use: cd $arb
[07:46] <chu_> Is UF getting hammered by extreme traffic? It just won't load anything for me...
[07:46] <ActionParsnip> Indus: werd up bro
[07:47] <indus> ActionParsnip, werd? iam fine thanks
[07:47] <indus> ActionParsnip, good day?
[07:47] <paotzu> ArQiLLiOns: maybe that is #hardware question. What you want is multiple 802.3ad capable cards and trunk the connections into one super connection, if I understand your question.
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Chu_: try: http://www.isitdownorisitme.com
[07:47] <Diverdude> ActionParsnip, well what if i am then in location a and i want to do a cp $arb/something to $arb/somethingElse  will that be possible?
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Indus: long and very tired
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: absolutely
[07:48] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: there are a few already setup like $HOME
[07:48] <ArQiLLiOnS> ok paotzu, thanx alot!
[07:48] <Diverdude> ActionParsnip, okay...how do i make such an export?
[07:48] <chu_> ActionParsnip: I'm assuming if it's me that site won't load?
[07:48] <ActionParsnip> Indus: 12 hour NOC shift. Although 4 days off now
[07:48] <indus> ah sys admin woes
[07:49] <meowbuntu> hi i am on live usb os  playing youtube videos they are speed up everyone sounds like teh chipmunks.
[07:49] <paotzu> AeQiLLiOnS: the ubuntu part is just a few edits to /etc/network/interfaces
[07:49] <ArQiLLiOnS> can anyone invite me to be in #hardware
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: export arb="/media/Traydata/arbejde"
[07:49] <mneptok> ActionParsnip: don't let the long day make you forget that !offtopic factoid :)
[07:49] <Yerushalmi> Other than wine, are there any other good Windows emulators/compatibility layers out there?
[07:49] <meowbuntu> any ideas
[07:50] <sickly> virtualbox
[07:50] <paotzu> ArQiLLiOnS: you basically have the answer, there are not too many ways of doing this aside from extremely expensive equipment
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: put that in $HOME/.bashrc then run: source $HOME/.bashrc
[07:50] <indus> Yerushalmi, wine is 'Wine Is Not an Emulator
[07:50] <Haldrie> hi I'm working on using grub2 on a usb flash drive to boot various isos from and I managed to get the latest ubuntu livecd loaded using a guide I found in the forums but it causes it to boot directly to the livecd and won't show the menu that the real disc shows. Is there anyway to allow it to load the iso as if I were loading it from a disc in my cd drive instead of automatically booting to the livecd?
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> Mnetpok: my bad
[07:50] <Haldrie> I was using this post btw http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604
[07:50] <Yerushalmi> indus: That's why I said "compatibility layer" also :p
[07:50] <thegeekyhaxor> hi
[07:50] <spasht> can someone help me setting up my tvtime. SAA7130
[07:50] <indus> Yerushalmi, crossover i think
[07:50] <ArQiLLiOnS> well, i know its goin` to be expensive...
[07:50] <indus> Yerushalmi, yea noticed that later :)
[07:50] <ArQiLLiOnS> but atleast i have sumting to show to my client
[07:50] <thegeekyhaxor> need some help
[07:50] <indus> Yerushalmi, qemu is emulator though
[07:50] <Yerushalmi> sickly: I tried using virtualbox but I don't get it. Don't you need to install windows "into" it?
[07:50] <indus> !qemu
[07:51] <ArQiLLiOnS> i dont want them to use windows server
[07:51] <mneptok> ActionParsnip: no worries. forced march days at call centers kill anyone.
[07:51] <Diverdude> ActionParsnip, just append it in the bottom of the file?
[07:51] <sickly> yes
[07:51] <Yerushalmi> sickly: Then no go, I don't have windows :p
[07:51] <ActionParsnip> Mnetpok: its my normal day. 4 on 4 off ;)
[07:51] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: sure
[07:51] <meowbuntu> hi i am on live usb os  playing youtube videos they are speed up everyone sounds like teh chipmunks.
[07:51] <meowbuntu> hi i am on live usb os  playing youtube videos they are speed up everyone sounds like teh chipmunks.
[07:51] <Yerushalmi> indus: which would you suggest to try first, crossover or qemu?
[07:51] <syn-ack> meowbuntu: really, is there any reason for a parroting?
[07:52] <thegeekyhaxor> hey guys i need some help with flash plugin in ubuntu
[07:52] <Diverdude> ActionParsnip, nice :) thx m8
[07:52] <crazycool> hi there
[07:52] <indus> Yerushalmi, i dont have experience in either, but you should try both since one is an emu and one is a compatibility layer thing
[07:52] <meowbuntu> syn-ack: oops am in several chanels my mistake
[07:52] <Yerushalmi> Qemu's the emu, I assume? :)
[07:52] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: such as?
[07:53] <crazycool> gents, what could I use to send mail without installing any MTA... I need just in send mail, not receive
[07:53] <indus> !emulator
[07:53] <indus> !EMU
[07:53] <meowbuntu> qemu is like its own virtual machine.
[07:53] <Yerushalmi> indus: can't find crossover in Ubuntu software center, where is it?
[07:53] <thegeekyhaxor> syn-ack ... i have installed the flash plugin, but the controls dont work... such as i cant pause a video et al
[07:53] <meowbuntu> !qemu
[07:53] <Haldrie> I think my question has gotten overlooked
[07:53] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: 64 bit machine?
[07:53] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: you can do tonnes of mad stuff in bash like that
[07:53] <thegeekyhaxor> syn-ack,  yep
[07:53] <indus> Yerushalmi, its not free
[07:54] <indus> as far as i know
[07:54] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: nspluginwrapper is crashing.
[07:54] <meowbuntu> !ask | Haldrie
[07:54] <Yerushalmi> indus: Aha.
[07:54] <meowbuntu> Haldrie: ask again now
[07:54] <thegeekyhaxor> syn-ack, so reinstalling it will solve the prob?
[07:54] <misterB> Yerushalmi: If you don't have windows and you
[07:54] <indus> Yerushalmi, maybe if you tell the channel what you are looking or trying to do,someone might suggest some good things
[07:54] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: I removed all of the flash non-free stuff, including the wrapper, and installed the beta of the linux 64 bit player
[07:55] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: no, it wont
[07:55] <ActionParsnip> Thegeekyhaxor: tried the 64bit flash plugin?
[07:55] <cnvl_> When using TV-Out with nvidia's binary driver, my TV picture extends past the edges of my TV. How do I fix this?
[07:55] <indus> Yerushalmi, http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
[07:55] <misterB> Yerushalmi: and you don't want to pay, you're stuck with wine
[07:55] <syn-ack> ActionParsnip: hah ++
[07:55] <thegeekyhaxor> syn-ack,  okay
[07:55] <thegeekyhaxor> actionparsnip: nope
[07:55] <ActionParsnip> Syn-ack: works great here
[07:55] <chu_> Hey, ActionParsnip perhaps you know .. So my Evolution *thinks* it's still sending an email (I deleted ~/.evolution/mail/local/Outbox) ... Do you know how to remedy this?
[07:56] <herbero> indus: don't think so, it has never been partitioned
[07:56] <thegeekyhaxor> ActionParsnip,  I have installed the flashplugin-nonfree
[07:56] <syn-ack> ActionParsnip: same here. I wish the medibuntu crew would hurry up and include it
[07:56] <thegeekyhaxor> ActionParsnip, whats the package for the 64 bit
[07:56] <indus> herbero, i mean windows will detect the disk
[07:56] <Yerushalmi> indus: Basically, I want to use the NES emulator from my old windows computer. the reason I don't want to use an ubuntu emulator is because I have a save rather far along I don't want to lose.
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> Thegeekyhaxxor: ramove all flash plugins including gnash and swfdec and grab the tar.gz of the 64bit plugin. Copy the file to your plugins folder
[07:56] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: that installs the 32 bit with the wrapper
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> Thegeekyhaxor: there isn't one. You do it manually
[07:56] <Diverdude> ActionParsnip, what else can you do of cool stuff?
[07:56] <cnvl_> Yeru: the save formats aren't compatible? What's the NES emulator you're using
[07:56] <aropupu_> aaargh, could someone help me set up my gravis gamepad in karmic? been going over this post -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338457 since yesterday now but without any luck
[07:57] <Yerushalmi> indus: The emulator doesn't work great in wine, I was wondering if there was another I could try.
[07:57] <thegeekyhaxor> ActionParsnip, okay... thanks will do that
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> Diverdude: make aliases to long strings of commands you use a lot
[07:57] <Yerushalmi> cnvl_: I assumed that they wouldn't be, but that would be neat if they were! JNes?
[07:57] <herbero> indus: don't know why it would, in any case I can't check no one here runs windows
[07:57] <thegeekyhaxor> ActionParsnip, also when i install firefox.. the 3.6 beta gets installed and it doesnt start after getting installed
[07:57] <mneptok> Diverdude: alias rm="rm -I"
[07:57] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: like I said, remove all of the flash-nonfree stuff, including that wrapper and get the 64 bit player from adobelabs
[07:58] <mneptok> Diverdude: you'll thank me some day
[07:58] <cnvl_> I can't think of any priori reason they shouldn't be compatible. most emulators typically treat machine state as a binary dump of the memory
[07:58] <meowbuntu> ActionParsnip: you have anyideas as to how to y youtube videos are playing fast on my live usb install
[07:58] <indus> herbero, well, does the command mount show it , or check under gparted, btw, is this an external HDD
[07:58] <Lord-Readman> hives: the vote for the x68k comp is here http://impoll.net/cgi-bin/v.cgi?p=10231&r=9
[07:58] <cnvl_> but I'm not familiar with JNes off the top of my head
[07:58] <Yerushalmi> cnvl_: Make my life a lot easier if I could just import the save into a built-for-ubuntu NES emulator. I wasn't too happy (though I liked the recursion of) using an emulator inside an emulator (Yes, I know that Wine Is Not an Emulator :p )
[07:58] <cnvl_> Tru it and see
[07:58] <cnvl_> *try
[07:58] <syn-ack> thegeekyhaxor: there's been quite a few new bugs regarding firefox 3.6 :/
[07:58] <herbero> indus: nah, not in /mnt either
[07:58] <Yerushalmi> cnvl_: It appears to be, yes. I'll try it. What ubuntu NES emulator do  you suggest?
[07:58] <herbero> indus: seems like a bunk hd to me
[07:58] <Haldrie> hi I'm working on using grub2 on a usb flash drive to boot various isos from and I managed to get the latest ubuntu livecd loaded using a guide I found in the forums but it causes it to boot directly to the livecd and won't show the menu that the real disc shows. Is there anyway to allow it to load the iso as if I were loading it from a disc in my cd drive instead of automatically booting to the livecd? I was using this post to
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> Meowbuntu: reinstall flash or use 64bit flash if you use 64bit os. Could also try the mozilla ppa for a later build
[07:59] <indus> herbero,is it an external HDD
[07:59] <Diverdude> mneptok, hehe, what does the -I option do?
[07:59] <thegeekyhaxor> syn-ack, okay... i assumed that... i hope i can still install firefox 3.5
[07:59] <cnvl_> Ahh, heh. I've used NESTopia, dunno how good the linux build is
[07:59]  * Yerushalmi now has this desire to run an emulator of NES inside an emulator of Windows inside an emulator of FreeBSD.
[07:59] <herbero> indus: no SATA
[07:59] <mneptok> Diverdude: prompts when deleting more than 3 files or deleting recursively.
[07:59] <alankila> Haldrie: I thought you can just dd the iso to usb stick and it should boot like the cd does... but I'm not 100% sure of this, of course
[07:59]  * Yerushalmi is a sad, sad, man.
[07:59] <Diverdude> mneptok, ahhh....good idea
[07:59] <indus> Yerushalmi, why
[07:59] <mneptok> Diverdude: ignore it if you really like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" moments
[08:00] <indus> !patience | Yerushalmi
[08:00] <Monona> I want to run a script to check my realtime kernal configuration, but I don't how to run scripts.  The suffix is .pl, but I don't even know what that means...
[08:00] <alankila> Monona: ./script.pl And pl stands for Perl.
[08:00] <Yerushalmi> indus: Not "sad" as in unhappy.  Read my previous sentence. :p
[08:00] <Haldrie> alankila: I'm trying to put multiple isos on 1 flash drive and boot them using grub2
[08:00] <DaemonFC> Monona, You may want to patch it with BFS if you're trying to make it a very low latency kernel
[08:00] <indus> Yerushalmi, ok :)
[08:00] <DaemonFC> that really wakes things up :)
[08:01] <Yerushalmi> indus: I mean, you've just been helping me with my question, have you already forgotten? ;)
[08:01] <Monona> alankila: I just navigate to the directory in the CLI, and just type ./script.pl?
[08:01] <alankila> oh. Well that sounds more interesting, I guess you could try putting them each on different partition and use grub to manage which boot sector to boot....?
[08:01] <indus> Yerushalmi, no, but i cant advice on this further
[08:01] <kohlrak> Anyone know how i can get programs to autostart *BEFORE* login (ex, a server i need to run)?
[08:01] <alankila> Monona: yes, that's the gist of it.
[08:01] <Diverdude> mneptok, bash: alias: rm: not found
[08:01] <Diverdude> bash: alias: =: not found
[08:01] <Diverdude> bash: alias: rm -I: not found
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> !startup | Kohlrak
[08:02] <Monona> DaemonFC: I don't know what that means. :)
[08:02] <chu_> Sweet, indus! It's gone ...  I think!!!
[08:02] <kohlrak> ah, thank you ActionParsnip
[08:02] <Yerushalmi> indus: Well, NES emulators and Windows emulators (YIKWINAE) are two different topics, and there was discussion drift. I had already expected it to move into the realm of other people's expertise.
[08:02] <kohlrak> !boot | Kohlrak
[08:02] <Yerushalmi> YIKWINAE = Yes I Know Wine Is Not An Emulator ;)
[08:02] <DaemonFC> Monona, google BFS scheduler, I won't say what it stands for cause of language
[08:02] <indus> chu_, really?
[08:02] <DaemonFC> but it's a good patch for the kernel
[08:03] <nomad77> DaemonFC: con's ck patches are back at kernel.org
[08:03] <Diverdude> mneptok, ahh think i got it...no white-spaces allowed :)
[08:03] <DaemonFC> CFS is the default these days and it's surprisingly worse than "deadline"
[08:03] <Yerushalmi> Anyway, thanks for all the help, indus, cnvl_.
[08:03] <DaemonFC> it's really geared for big iron more than desktops
[08:03] <indus> whats cnvl
[08:04] <alankila> DaemonFC: but CFS is a disk scheduler while BFS is a process scheduler, right?
[08:04] <cnvl_> problem resolved? I was going to get Jnes and try it myself
[08:04] <chu_> Well I think so, but I don't know what I did, as in I did nothing!
[08:04] <cnvl_> if I could use this website.. >.>
[08:04] <DaemonFC> alankila, Both are I/O schedulers
[08:04] <Yerushalmi> cnvl_: Don't know yet, but I have a direction to look in, which is important.
[08:04] <Shambat> I have a sheevaplug, but the pre-installed Ubuntu does not have any kernel modules installed ... probably because there is a low amount of hard drive space available. Is it possible to boot from another device such as a USB stick? As long as the instruction set (ARMv5) is used, there should be no problem right?
[08:04] <Yerushalmi> I'll check out emulator compatibility, and then Windows compatibility.
[08:04] <cnvl_> Could you give me the download link to the version of JNes you're using?
[08:04] <alankila> Err, no. BFS is supposed to be some low-latency processing hack, last time I heard about it.
[08:04] <DaemonFC> patching the kernel with BFS overrides CFS, even though the kernel config may say CFS is the default
[08:05] <Yerushalmi> Well, I used 1.0. Unfortunately Wine was only compatible with 0.6. And I'm not using it now; I recently reformatted my computer; I just have my save stored elsewhere.
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> Cnvl_: tried getdeb?
[08:05] <Monona> alankila: It tells me "command not found"  I'm sure this is real basic, but I'm not getting it.
[08:05] <student> how do i remove rhythmbox and empathy from docky?  i dont see a way to delete them off the dock...
[08:05] <cnvl_> ActionParsnip: it's windows
[08:05] <DaemonFC> The Brain **** Scheduler (or BFS) is a task scheduler designed for the Linux kernel in August of 2009  as an alternative to the Completely Fair Scheduler and the O(1) scheduler.
[08:05] <alankila> Monona: perhaps you are in the wrong directory. Or perhaps the .pl file references a Perl interpreter from unusual place, not /usr/bin/perl
[08:05] <DaemonFC> from Wikipedia
[08:06] <Yerushalmi> cnvl_: Both versions should be here: http://jabosoft.com/?categoryid=3
[08:06] <Yerushalmi> But I have to go anyway
[08:06] <Yerushalmi> Thanks :)
[08:06] <chu_> Anyway, cheers guys I'm so frustrated still I have to leave my computer.
[08:06] <DaemonFC> it's meant for desktop PCs with less than 16 cores, I think anyone in here would benefit from it
[08:07] <alankila> DaemonFC: okay. My and your mistake. BFS is task scheduler, but so is CFS. I confused it with CFQ, I guess.
[08:07] <alankila> I simply thought to this point that the default linux task scheduler has no particular name.
[08:07] <DaemonFC> My ATI card using FGLRX even seems less "jerky"
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> Daemonfc: doubt I would. My pc use is chat and web browsing on a k7 cpu most days
[08:08] <DaemonFC> though that might be the other stuff, like turning off tickless that he recommended
[08:08] <ouyes> !ati
[08:08] <Diverdude> mneptok, hehhehe....im not to fund of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! moment :D
[08:08] <DaemonFC> Catalyst really is the devil, 10.2 goes so far as to break compiz
[08:08] <kifotv> hello, I was having trouble getting the live cd to open (9.10), so i used the 'help me boot from cd' option in wubi, but now when i try to install from the live environment I get all of these weird errors about /host. I can't install without unmounting it, I'm assuming, as I need to format it to install onto it. Any ideas?
[08:09] <ouyes> DaemonFC, envyqt for ati driver installation aid
[08:09] <kifotv> I have 0 experience with wubi, never had this many problems before.
[08:09] <Monona> alankila:  It's on my Desktop, I'm in ~/Desktop$  I've tried ./script.pl, /script.pl, script.pl, etc, where "script" is the actual name of the script.  realTimeConfigQuickScan.pl, to be precise.
[08:09] <DaemonFC> I can't even think that 10.2 was tested
[08:09] <alankila> Monona: so what is the first line of that program, then? Open it in some text editor to check
[08:09] <DaemonFC> ouyes, The crap in the repository is old, and the module is for Ubuntu's kernel that I'm not using
[08:09] <Monona> #! /usr/bin/perl
[08:10] <kifotv> Nutshell: I need to unmount /host, which is mounted because of wubi, but I am having troubles doing that because of /host (I think)
[08:10] <alankila> Monona: okay, that must exist. Is the file marked executable -- does ls -l realTimeConfigQuickScan.pl say -rwxr-xr-x, the "x" being present?
[08:10] <Monona> DaemonFC: BFS scheduler looks interesting, but I'm just trying to get a stable workstation.
[08:11] <Monona> alankila: No. It says -rw-r--r--
[08:11] <DaemonFC> it seems that envy has turned into something useless that pulls in the same driver Jockey would have suggested
[08:11] <Monona> How do I make it executable?
[08:11] <alankila> Monona: chmod 0755 realtimeetc.pl
[08:12] <DaemonFC> it used to go grab the latest driver from ATI or Nvidia
[08:12] <alankila> Monona: then try again
[08:12] <kifotv> It almost seems like you can't unmount whatever drive you booted out of if you used wubi
[08:12] <alankila> Monona: the more friendly way to add executable bits is actually chmod a+x realtime.pl, the a+x means "add x to everyone's permissions"
[08:13] <Monona> alankila:  Ah, that worked.  What exactly did I do there?
[08:13] <Monona> x meaning what?
[08:13]  * kinja-sheep EXECUTE Monona!
[08:13] <bjking> Can someone explain why they would replace pidgin with empathy?
[08:13] <Monona> Executed!
[08:13] <alankila> Monona: allow execution by kernel.
[08:14] <DaemonFC> bjking, insanity
[08:14] <bjking> kk
[08:14] <stdisease> Monona, and for directories it means allow access through it - just for completeness ske
[08:14] <bjking> jw
[08:14] <alankila> Monona: linux has a very confusing way of dealing with executable programs mostly due to historical reasons, as usual. Linux inherits from unix, and they are very old. When executing scripts, there are too few error codes to accurately report why it doesn't work, so it usually says whatever instead of something useful when some particular thing is wrong
[08:14] <bjking> it's the worst EVER
[08:14] <rww> DaemonFC: that's not helpful.
[08:15] <Monona> stdisease: Access through directories how?
[08:15] <alankila> Monona: he means that the "x" bit on directories means that listing directory is allowed
[08:15] <DaemonFC> GNOME thought they're re-implement Pidgin with half the features and 1/10th the options, and depend on libpurple anyway for most of the things it can do. That's my honest opinion. It may sound sarcastic.
[08:15] <alankila> or was that "r"? I'm not sure. SOrry. Forget I said anything
[08:16] <kifotv> maybe its been too long since I've done an install, ive never had even close to this much trouble over just installing
[08:16] <rww> bjking: The underlying technology that Empathy uses (called Telepathy) is more extendable and better allows integration into other desktop apps.
[08:16] <alankila> In any case it's a confusing, irritating mess. Imo.
[08:16] <ardchoille> alankila: "read", the x bit means you can read the dir. Removing the x bit locks users out
[08:16] <bjking> right
[08:16] <Monona> alankila: This is all new to me.  By the time I actually get jack running without xruns, seems like I'm going to have learned a few things along the way.
[08:16]  * DaemonFC snores loudly and goes back to liking Pidgin better
[08:16] <alankila> ardchoille: okay, but can you still access a file in directory even if you don't allow x, if you know the name?
[08:16] <stdisease> Monona, alankila : r for listing, x for accessing files and subdirectories under it
[08:17] <rww> alankila: no
[08:17] <alankila> stdisease, rww: thanks for enlightenment. R for read, X for aXess. Easy to remember ;-)
[08:17] <ardchoille> alankila: I don't think so, removing the x bit removes all access to the dir (read, write, ls, cp, etc)
[08:17] <racerd> !alas
[08:18] <racerd> hiya
[08:18] <pranith> heyyy
[08:18] <racerd> any gamers on?
[08:18] <blue112> Hello here.
[08:18] <ardchoille> alankila: this is why recursive chmod can be a bad thing
[08:18] <bjking> DOTA is a game
[08:18] <racerd> lol
[08:18] <racerd> i love dota
[08:18] <pranith> where can i find the Ubuntu netbook remix for ARM devices?
[08:18] <bjking> google
[08:18] <DaemonFC> I suspect it won't be long before I have to manually install everything that used to be there that did what I wanted because they deprecated it and replaced it with something that means nothing to me. :) OK, that was sarcastic.
[08:18] <alankila> ardchoille: you mean the usual "chmod 0777 -R /" recommended to new linux users?
[08:19] <alankila> (that is a joke, please don't execute it.)
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> !arm
[08:19] <stdisease> lol
[08:19] <racerd> too late
[08:19] <ardchoille> alankila: there shouldn't ever be a need to do that
[08:19] <racerd> !alsa
[08:19] <alankila> ardchoille: actually, I have seen people do that!
[08:19] <racerd> how do i shut off pulse sound
[08:19] <LSD|Ninja> How do I enable window resizing where the window resizes in real time instead of the translucent blue outline that the windows fill when you let go?
[08:19] <MilitantPotato> I've chowned / before
[08:19] <alankila> "Can't figure out linux permissions, how do I get rid of them" and then someone says that.
[08:19] <pranith> bjking, thanks for the help. :P
[08:20] <bjking> np :)
[08:20] <pranith> koi tho batao yaar
[08:20] <racerd> actually i do have a issue that is kind weird
[08:20] <racerd> my x11 desktop settings won't save
[08:20] <racerd> i have to reconfigure them on all of the reboots
[08:20] <cnvl_> desktop settings as in resolution?
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: what video card?
[08:21] <racerd> geforce 8800M
[08:21] <racerd> not just resolution
[08:21] <cnvl_> are you using nvidia's binary driver?
[08:21] <racerd> which display being the main display as well
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: run: gksudo nvidia-settings ,you can now save to xorg.conf
[08:21] <racerd> yeah
[08:21] <carbm1> How do you set the default home directory permissions when users are created? I've tried /etc/login.def and /etc/adduser.conf and the new home directories are still 755.
[08:21] <alankila> Monona: about jack, the only recommendation I have for you is to enable the realtime scheduling of jack, there was some work required for it, not sure what, but something to do if you are of the mind
[08:22] <ouyes> hi everyone
[08:22] <alankila> Monona: I once wrote a guitar effects processor on top of jack and I found that allowing realtime scheduling for jack really helped against underruns, I ran with something like 256 sample buffers or 4 ms, if memory serves
[08:22] <racerd> son of a... well damn that worked
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: if it moans about no xorg.conf run: sudo nvidia-xconfig ,then retry
[08:22] <cnvl_> ... I was just about to say that. heh.
[08:23] <alankila> that's more like 6 ms though...
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: running nvidia settings alone runs it as user. Gksudo gets you the write access you need ;)
[08:23] <racerd> that is what i figured was going on
[08:23] <Monona> alankila: Yeah, that's what I'm working on.  I've posted on the forum and I'm making progress, but I just didn't know how to run the diagnostic script.  jack is killing me with xruns and I've got it at more than 80ms latency.  I'm just trying to figure out why.
[08:24] <racerd> i just didn't know how to enable the permissions needed
[08:24] <pranav1> using XP in virtual box in ubuntu. how to access net in xp
[08:24] <stdisease> carbm1, sounds like you need to umask 0 first
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: the system will also boot in that res etc. If you hit another monitor to it you will need to blank out the current file etc.
[08:24] <alankila> Monona: your system's messed up seriously if you still get underruns at 80 ms.  Maybe the effect programs you are running against jack are too slow, or is it without anything connected to jack yet?
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> Racerd: every day is a school day
[08:24] <pranav1> using XP in virtual box in ubuntu. how to access net in xp
[08:24] <misterB> pranav1: should just work
[08:24] <racerd> yes i know
[08:25] <alankila> I have java programs that are able to deal with 50 ms buffers
[08:25] <racerd> i work in IT :(
[08:25] <racerd> but all of our junk is windows
[08:25] <racerd> or oracle db's
[08:25] <alankila> and java's an unpredictable execution environment
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> Pranav1: you need to set the dns server to the virtualbox one. I forget its ip.   This is a fresh install of Hardy Heron, with the realtime kernel and all.  Forum dude thinks it's CPU frequency scaling issue.  Again, out of my league but working on it.
[08:26] <koltroll> Good morning peeps
[08:26] <alankila> bjking: "better" is relative as first approximation, so anybody can be right depending on what they are thinking about.
[08:26] <cnvl_> your instructor is opinionated. welcome to education.
[08:26] <hamish__> hi - looking for some business aps that run on ubuntu - anyone here that can help?
[08:26] <bjking> he's like
[08:26] <bjking> aww man
[08:27] <bjking> Coldfusion and enterprise apps
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> Pranav1: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:27] <bjking> is where it's at dudddde
[08:27] <bjking> Disney uses coldfusion
[08:27] <alankila> Monona: okay. No, I don't think it is  cpu scaling problem, but of course you can try to disable the ondemand cpu scheduler, set that to performance
[08:27] <stdisease> or maybe that was vmware with the dhcp... meh, lol
[08:27] <alankila> When I still had linux on my main box I had done that because ondemand sucks
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> Pranav1: set that as the dns server and it will be fine, or use bridged lan
[08:27] <bjking> but I tend to think it's just complete and utter adobe garbage.  :( Am I wrong?
[08:27] <Myrtti> !offtopic | bjking
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> Stdisease: it has dhcp, just doesn't seem to want to share its dns server
[08:28] <Monona> alankila:  What's ondemand?  The thing is, this is a pretty new computer and I don't think it's a hardware issue.  Jack has worked pretty much out the box for me before, even on old hardware.
[08:28] <hamish__>  I have a client that is contemplating switching from windows to linux. I am encouraging this but I need to find out what alternatives he has to provide applications for G/L, Inv, POS, drs, crs etc - can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:28] <stdisease> ActionParsnip, pranav1 : I just checked, I use NAT mode in VBox and DHCP in WinXP - works fine for me
[08:28] <ripdisk> i can't connect to my ubuntu from the internet via vnc OR ssh or anything.... however i can connect from the local network, and i checked a hundred times to make sure port fowarding is set up.....
[08:29] <stdisease> ActionParsnip, I didnt need to specify DNs in my case
[08:29] <alankila> Monona: linux adjusts cpu frequency based on task demand on cpu time by collecting statistics over some 100 ms intervals and adjusting the frequency such that certain % of cpu is idle if the same thing goes on in future
[08:29] <Monona> alankila:  The diagnostic script tells me "/ does not have the 'noatime' parameter set"
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> Ripdisk: its the forwarding dude. If it connects over lan the service is working. Maybe you need to reboot the router. Some home grade routers need it
[08:30] <alankila> Monona: the default mode is like this, but I hate it because it adjusts too slowly -- if you have several cpu frequencies, ondemand usually steps to higher frequency one step at a time and it takes macroscopic time to go from the lowest rate to the highest cpu rate, so I have always felt that linux is annoyingly unresponsive with ondemand
[08:30] <pranav1>  stdisease i m in VB pls explain me stepvise
[08:30] <misterB> ripdisk: are you planning to do more than VNC?
[08:30] <paotzu> bjking: php and coldfusion are used for different things. Disney uses php and cold fusion. Disney uses cold fusion for instance for "club penguin" and php for more informational sites
[08:30] <alankila> Monona: the noatime is not really recommended anymore, ignore that. The modern linuxes run with something called relatime... or is your distro too old for that... don't remember
[08:31] <nicoco> hi ! when I install postgresql8-4 I have an error stating that the file /var/run/postgresql/8.4-main.pid doesn't exist can someone help me ?
[08:31] <pranav1> using XP in virtual box in ubuntu. how to access net in xp
[08:31] <ripdisk> ActionParsnip: i rebooted the router several time.
[08:31] <pranav1> using XP in virtual box in ubuntu. how to access net in xp
[08:31] <alankila> I don't remember if relatime was invented at time of hardy.
[08:31] <ripdisk> times*
[08:31] <Ferrenrock> hey, can anyone recommend an rss feed reader for the GNOME desktop? (preferably one that's transparent and not too intrusive)
[08:31] <mvn071> Hi, I have been working on some documentation and would like to have some feedback to improve it. It is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Desktop/PXE thanks
[08:31] <ripdisk> and misterB: what do you mean more than vnc?
[08:31] <stdisease> pranav1, well click your appliance settings, and under network, set adapter 1 : Attached to NAT
[08:31] <bjking> paotzu: they seem to have the same function.... the class I'm in isn't especially informative
[08:32] <bjking> Ferronrock: avant-window-navigator has an rss app and so does gnome-panel
[08:32] <theadmin> Say, is it fine to put something like this in /etc/init.d or is it better to put it uh, somewhere else? It needs to be run for all users, that is. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d17b2e265
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> Ripdisk: then all I can suggest is revise settings. Don't use vnc over wan without ssh tunnel too ;)
[08:32] <alankila> Monona: in any case, noatime only adds a little bit of disk speed to your system, we're talking about 10 % faster disks or something like that.
[08:32] <misterB> you mentioned vnc and ssh
[08:32] <nicoco> pranav1 : I didn't have to do anything it just works
[08:32] <stdisease> pranav1, I have PCnet-FAST III as hardware type selected, click the recycle button to generate a new MAC address if needed, make sure 'Cable connected' is on
[08:32] <Ferrenrock> bjking: does that make it show up on the desktop itself or just in the little panel?
[08:32] <Monona> alankila:  If that was the issue, the xruns would decrease after a little while, right?  Once the CPU scaled to the proper frequency?  Or am I way off in understanding how this works?  For what it's worth, it's a dual core pentium D 3.00 GHz.
[08:32] <alankila> Monona: and against relatime the benefit is probably very minor
[08:32] <misterB> ripdisk: you mentioned vnc and ssh
[08:32] <ripdisk> yeah, i have the vnc server running as well as the ssh server
[08:32] <ripdisk> and i can connect from within my router
[08:32] <bjking> Ferron: right click on gnome panel
[08:32] <bjking> hit add to panel
[08:32] <ripdisk> however, i can't connect via my public ip
[08:32] <stdisease> pranav1, in XP, on your network connection settings set Obtain IP address automatically (that's dhcp)
[08:33] <pranav1> stdisease -den error occur using XP in virtual box in ubuntu. how to access net in xp
[08:33] <paotzu> bjking: the bottom line on that is adobe (and macromedia before) publishes flash and coldfusion, so they interoperate well if you are making something like club penguin
[08:33] <alankila> Monona: yes, the basic idea is that the ondemand works, it's just too slow to adjust for my taste. For audio processing you'd have a steady, predictable load, and not much issue with ondemand, most likely. Plus it only matters after you have enough tasks taking CPU that the lowest rate is no longer sufficient to handle the full suite of tasks
[08:33] <bjking> errr
[08:33] <bjking> Ferron: you may have to install through synaptic
[08:33] <nicoco> so nobody has an idea about that damn /var/run/postgresql/8.4-main.pid file ?
[08:33] <Ferrenrock> hold on bjking
[08:33] <Ferrenrock> I'm installing it
[08:33] <misterB> ripdisk: for what it's worth, you can establish a vnc session through empathy.
[08:33] <alankila> Monona: and jack-with-no-apps has to be basically 0.01 % cpu load
[08:34] <cicciods> hello
[08:34] <ripdisk> misterB: i have no idea what that means.
[08:34] <Ferrenrock> bjking: what's the name of it?
[08:34] <klic> since when did the ubuntu channel overtake gentoo
[08:34] <justin22885> has anyone here ever installed ubuntu from the 12mb network install image?
[08:34] <pranav1> stdisease-den error occur port path nt specified
[08:34] <Monona> alankila: So I need to figure out if I can mount my system with relatime enabled on Hardy?
[08:34] <klic> did 6 hours compliation installation went out of style now?
[08:34] <pranav1> port path nt specified
[08:34] <alankila> Monona: still, if there are any bugs with ondemand, such as miscalculation of the correct rate ... these could still harm you. I do think that audio apps do not in the main enjoy the concept of variable CPU speed.
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: several times
[08:35] <koltroll> I still have no sound. Tried installing backports, didn't help. Tried looking at alsamixer, didn't help. Have made sure nothing is muted, didn't help. It worked fine for a while, then I think ubuntu did a update and things started to get messy.
[08:35] <alankila> underruns are deadly, and ondemand decreases the margin
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: its all I use
[08:35] <justin22885> im doing that now.. its download and installing the base system now
[08:35] <alankila> Monona: no. It won't help you.
[08:35] <justin22885> my laptop uses wifi, so i had to share internet with my desktop
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: nice. No need to update once installed ;)
[08:36] <bjking> Ferron: I'm unsure..... quick search RSS and then Search gnome
[08:36] <misterB> ripdisk: if you're using googletalk or jabber, you initiate a screen sharing session with another contact. Not sure if this can be automated. If so, you avoid port forwarding
[08:36] <alankila> Monona: disabling atime gives only an improvement of the apparent disk speed.
[08:36] <bjking> Or ask someone who knows
[08:36] <justin22885> im trying to decide exactly what to install after the base command line system is up and running
[08:36] <ripdisk> misterB: oh.
[08:36] <Ferrenrock> I'll see
[08:36] <Monona> alankila: Any thoughts on what it might be?  Or directions I should look into?
[08:36] <misterB> ripdisk: I know it works with empathy on 9.10
[08:37] <justin22885> which distro did you use actionparsnip?
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: depends what you like. For a small fast system use lxde or xfce
[08:37] <alankila> Monona: ensure jack has the audio device for itself. Check you aren't running esd or pulseaudio (if that was relevant for hardy heron)... Didn't jack have a way to open the audio device in some kind of exclusive mode via hw:0,0 access
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: gentoo, lubuntu and puppy
[08:37] <justin22885> i have 1gb RAM and a 1.6ghz cpu
[08:37] <justin22885> this is a netbook
[08:37] <bjking> Ferron: gDesklets?
[08:37] <alankila> Monona: so you are probably best off making sure that jack is realtime & has audio device for itself at the very least.
[08:38] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: any will be fine
[08:38] <Ferrenrock> bjking: yeah I'll try that
[08:38] <madhu> hi
[08:38] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: lightness leaves more space for your apps to run
[08:38] <Seveas-train> hello madhu
[08:38] <Monona> alankila: I'm checking that with fuser -v /dev/snd* and making sure Pulseaudio is dead.  My soundcard shares an IRQ with a usb device.  Would that matter?
[08:38] <justin22885> the LXDE screenshots remind me of windows xp
[08:39] <Seveas-train> Monona: no, IRQ's don't matter
[08:39] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: probably because of the deep blue
[08:39] <stdisease> justin22885, and if you don't want the fuss you can even go with a combo of xdm and openbox
[08:39] <stdisease> justin22885, then install the applications you need individually
[08:39] <semitones> just move the panel to the top and you're good to go
[08:39] <alankila> Monona: well, it would probably depend on activity on that IUSB device or controller. It probably doesn't matter, but you are best off dedicating an IRQ for your audio device.
[08:39] <ripdisk> this is frustrating, all my settings are right, and my ports are fowarded... yet i can't ssh or ANYTHING
[08:39] <justin22885> maybe, lightness is a good idea, though this netbook will run windows 7 and vista, id like to keep it to windows xp or lesser level of latency
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Ripdisk: contact the manufacturer and read your manual
[08:40] <bjking> I'm on my dell mini9 with openbox
[08:40] <bjking> :P
[08:40] <paotzu> justin22885: I have same configuration, run full ubuntu no issues
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: for true lightness: flwm
[08:40] <alankila> Monona: linux mostly just acknowledges the IRQs when they arrive from various devices and moves the processing to internally scheduled tasks, called "softirq". As opposed to "hardirq", I guess.
[08:40] <Monona> I'll just have to play around with it.  Thanks for the help!
[08:40] <alankila> Monona: the upshot is that irq sharing is relatively harmless with linux
[08:41] <justin22885> actionparsnip: youre throwing a lot of terms at me, lxde, flwm, xdm.. whatever happened to simple fluxbox?
[08:41] <Monona> This is all good stuff to learn, on the way to getting things set up properly.
[08:41] <paotzu> justin22885: use afterstep
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> Justin22885: they are all alternative desktops. Websearch them to see what the deal is. Lxde is just a nice easy way to get a full set of stuff to get you started
[08:42] <alankila> Monona: still, it's probably true that there is a slight improvement if you can allocate a dedicated IRQ. That way the cpu will always receive the IRQ & know immediately it is the audio device without checking other possible sources for that IRQ
[08:42] <justin22885> is xdm a login thats unbiased to any desktop environment?
[08:42] <stdisease> justin22885, right
[08:42] <Monona> alankila: So how would I change that?
[08:42] <kinja-sheep> justin22885: It is CLI, I think.
[08:42] <alankila> Monona: BIOS
[08:42] <justin22885> then i like xdm... keep it modular, ya know?
[08:42] <titan_ark> hey. i need some help trying to figure out to use crontab
[08:43] <Monona> alankila: Oh boy. :) How's that then?
[08:43] <titan_ark> ia m unable to get it to start up any application
[08:43] <paotzu> justin22885: use wdm like redhat 5
[08:43] <alankila> Monona: in fairness I used to have a laptop that put every device on irq 11 and I never noticed. I didn't do much audio processing work on it or anything that placed hard realtime constraints, but I did run a few audio thingso n it and it all just worked
[08:43] <peleg> Upgrading to 8.04: I get this error "A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry."
[08:43] <alankila> so this is probably the sort of thing that doesn't fix your issue. It only benefits at margins.
[08:43] <peleg> and then a list, each entry looks more or less like that: "Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found"
[08:43] <justin22885> ive never used redhat... i used one of the first fedora core distros for about 2 days though
[08:43] <peleg> And then the upgrade halts...
[08:44] <alankila> Monona: well, BIOS is BIOS. You just have to boot & check it and try to allocate PCI device IRQs there. It's annoying stuff for sure. Depending on which kind of bios it's possible/impossible/merely very confusing.
[08:44] <stdisease> peleg, perhaps your network connection isn't working , check if the driver is loaded and the network interface is configured
[08:44] <Flannel> peleg: Change that from old-releases to releases
[08:44] <titan_ark> anyone?
[08:44] <alankila> Monona: it's also possible that Linux could decide the interrupts, but as far as I know Linux prefers to use the BIOS IRQ map for devices.
[08:45] <peleg> stdisease, how can it be? I am talking to you at the moment, isn't that right?
[08:45] <peleg> Flannel, I'll try that, thanks
[08:45] <paotzu> justin22885: if you want to speed your laptop, use gparted to resize your hard disk, dd to backup the file, and then install a ssd hard disk and dd the file back.
[08:45] <stdisease> titan_ark, what's the issue, did you edit the crontab file, and you have the cron daemon running?
[08:45] <justin22885> im going to need to install wifi.. i have a broadcom wifi adapter, any tips on how to get this properly configured?... my router uses no password, but will only accept devices of specific mac addresses, so no issues there
[08:45] <alankila> Monona: but I stress this likely won't fix your problem. We're talking about system that fails at 80 ms, not system that fails at 2 ms
[08:45] <alankila> dedicated IRQs can only possibly help at *very* tight setups
[08:45] <stdisease> peleg, you could be talking from another computer....
[08:45] <paotzu> justin22885: can you run gnome or... you are sticking to afterstep?
[08:46] <sairam> hi all
[08:46] <peleg> stdisease, right :) but I am not. thanks!
[08:46] <justin22885> once those 256gb SSDs become affordable, im hopping over to SSD on all devices and not looking back
[08:46] <Monona> alankila:  Gah.  That sound like too much for tonight.  It's good to have options, though.  I'll have to see if I can diagnose the problem some kind of which way.
[08:46] <justin22885> afterstep?
[08:46] <paotzu> justin22885: just remember single cell is better
[08:46] <sairam> hi can anyone help me i cant install ac97 in my linux
[08:46] <stdisease> peleg, oh you are most certainly welcome anytime
[08:46] <sairam> bro
[08:47] <paotzu> justin22885: afterstep is very old, lightweight window manager
[08:47] <koltroll> I would really appreciate some help on my sound issue
[08:47] <stdisease> peleg, change the mirror you're fetching from then, idk
[08:47] <alankila> Monona: you should probably consider a variant of ubuntu made for audio processing. Hardy is aging, and so on. Switching distro could well fix the problem, but stay away from mainstream ubuntu because you'll have to battle the monster called pulseaudio first
[08:47] <sairam> my linux is karmic stdisesase
[08:48] <justin22885> to be honest, i havent a clue as to which desktop environment i will use, fluxbox, lxde, gnome, or kde
[08:48] <sairam> gnome is good
[08:48] <koltroll> if you have no idea then gnome is probably the way to go justin22885
[08:48] <paotzu> alankila: my friend who does work with JACK and such said that pulseaudio actually fixed all his problems with some 96-bit sound card
[08:48] <kermit> justin22885: so just use whatever is the default
[08:48] <alankila> Monona: the work, however, caused by pulseaudio may have helped a large number of audio devices. Pulse is relatively timing sensitive sort of application. It thus forces improvement on the baseline quality of sound drivers, and you benefit from this work if you can update.
[08:48] <taofd> how do i figure out if i'm running the 32bit or 64bit version of ubuntu?
[08:48] <justin22885> ive used all those except for lxde
[08:49] <sairam> i have uninstall pulseaudio bro alan
[08:49] <peleg> stdisease, I have changed old-releases to releases in sources.list, but it does not help. How do I change the mirror?
[08:49] <Monona> alankila: UbuntuStudio is basically Ubuntu with extra packages, right?  Which I think I've installed.  And I've heard that realtime kernel is kinda rough in later versions.
[08:49] <koltroll> taofd, konsol -> uname -a
[08:49] <alankila> paotzu: there are no 96-bit sound cards. Perhaps you talk about 96 kHz sampling rate. Yes, that kind of things exist, they may be used by professional audio producers.
[08:49] <sairam> my soundcard is realtek
[08:49] <koltroll> taofd, I who run 64 ends with x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:49] <koltroll> taofd, * my output ends with..
[08:49] <paotzu> alankila: ah that's right, kHz. you can tell I am not pro sound producer.
[08:50] <taofd> koltroll, ah yeah, i see thx :)
[08:50] <alankila> Monona: it may also have recompiled things without pulseaudio -- which will fight with jack over control of audio -- and that's something relevant for you
[08:50] <koltroll> taofd, np
[08:50] <stdisease> perhaps try other mirrors in other locations, peleg
[08:50] <taofd> koltroll, yeah, i wasn't sure because i completely forgot which version i installed on this system, but it seems like i've installed the 64bit version
[08:50] <justin22885> ok, the net install disc is asking me to choose a kernal, any suggestions?... 2.6.31-19-386 looks good
[08:50] <Monona> alankila: How's that then?
[08:50] <peleg> stdisease, but where do I choose a mirror? the upgrading process does not ask me anything about it.
[08:51] <sairam> are there indonesian here
[08:51] <sairam> sairam
[08:51] <alankila> Monona: I'm just saying that you're probably best off with an ubuntu distribution specifically built for audio work. At least it can't be any worse than the current situation for you, whatever its cause.
[08:51] <justin22885> question: will xdm allow me to select from multiple installed desktop environments? so i could install gnome, lxde, and fluxbox and toy around with all?
[08:52] <alankila> justin22885: pure xdm? I remember that was very minimalistic, but I probably haven't seen that for nearly a decade. The lxdm, gdm and kdm all allow it.
[08:52] <titan_ark> anyone with an idea to run crontab? I am unable to use it to start an application
[08:52] <Monona> alankila: Such as UbuntuStudio?  Or are there better distros for audio?
[08:52] <alankila> Monona: I don't know the linux audio landscape, but seems like a reasonable first attempt.
[08:53] <justin22885> alankila: i just want an unbiased login, lxdm, gdm, and kdm are all biased to lxde, gnome, and kde
[08:53] <taofd> hmm... is there a way to run 32bit apps on 64bit?
[08:53] <paotzu> justin22885: use non-partisan-dm package
[08:53] <obscurant1st> somebody know where is the torrent files are stored if i use qbittorrent.
[08:53] <mrpink57> justin22885: why not skip the login manager and just use an .Xdefaults
[08:53] <obscurant1st> i meant the files with .torrent
[08:53] <kinja-sheep> justin22885: I thought you picked xdm?
[08:53] <justin22885> paotzu: what is that?
[08:53] <Monona> alankila:  Have you heard the the realtime kernel works alright in Intrepid or Jaunty or Karmic?
[08:54] <kinja-sheep> obscurant1st: Try "sudo updatedb && locate torrent"
[08:54] <alankila> justin22885: so what? xdm probably means you go for editing files when you want to change the DE, or that is what I would have had to do back in the time I still used xdm. I don't know. I recommend lxdm or gdm, who cares which one it is as long as it works?
[08:54] <justin22885> im installing the kernal right now, i havent installed anything yet
[08:54] <obscurant1st> kinja-sheep, k,
[08:54] <justin22885> and i want to install a couple desktops and window managers to test drive my options