[01:57] <sadmac> Keybuk: did you look at this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432384
[02:00] <Keybuk> sadmac: I hadn't seen that
[02:00] <Keybuk> for some reason, I'm not getting mails from your bugzilla
[02:01] <sadmac> hm. weird.
[02:02] <sadmac> Keybuk: do you have an account? (I don't think it filters on that, but maybe).
[02:02] <Keybuk> I do, yes
[02:03] <Keybuk> and I set myself to be cc'd on the meta bug
[02:03] <sadmac> hmm.
[02:03] <sadmac> spam filter?
[02:04] <Keybuk> I've checked that
[02:04] <Keybuk> my spam filter only grey lists on spam
[02:05] <ion_> ma164709 < ion_> keybuk: Please take a look at the refcount branch now. (nih_alloc_reparent, nih_realloc still have  to be taken care of.)
[02:05] <ion_> ma164728 < ion_> keybuk: Does that look okay?
[02:05] <sadmac> Keybuk: I'll hit devel-list about it.
[02:06] <sadmac> Keybuk: or you could (might be nice to introduce yourself to the people :)
[02:06] <Keybuk> ion_: it's on my TODO to look at :)
[02:11] <Keybuk> ion_: did you push the branch to LP?
[02:13] <Keybuk> cause I can't remember the URL :)
[02:13] <ion_> keybuk: Hm, i probably didn’t make LP mirror it. Let me see...
[02:14] <Keybuk> s'ok, just the original URL would do too :p
[02:14] <ion_> Yeah, just grepping for it. :-)
[02:15] <ion_> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/bzr/libnih.refcount/
[02:21] <Keybuk> ion_: why uint32_t for refcount?
[02:21] <Keybuk> unsigned int seems the proper type?
[02:22] <ion_> Oh, i forgot to change that. We already discussed this. :-)
[02:23] <ion_> What i changed now is just the most recent commit.
[02:26] <Keybuk> looks good though
[02:26] <Keybuk> can't see any obvious problems
[02:29] <Keybuk> I'm wondering whether you need the restriction that you can't ref/unref a non-parent object
[02:29] <Keybuk> it should work if you can
[02:29] <Keybuk> since the parent holds one ref, and the other object another
[02:29] <Keybuk> if the parent is freed, the object will stay around because it's still ref'd
[02:29] <Keybuk> that other object would have to take care of unref'ing in its destructor though
[02:32] <ion_> OTOH, it would be somewhat confusing if an object is in multiple “containers”, only one of which is the parent. I was thinking that a “root” object (parentless) and all its children would be a single refcounted entity.
[02:35] <ion_> keybuk: Ok, i fixed refcount’s type. Pushed.
[02:36] <Keybuk> it might be interesting if each of the objects could have an n-way relationship with each other, rather than strict parent/child
[02:36] <Keybuk> that way unref'ing would be automatic
[02:36] <ion_> True...
[02:36] <Keybuk> maybe I'm overcomplicating things as usual there though
[03:25] <sadmac> Keybuk: nobody else is reporting missing emails. Could it be something in your bugzilla account settings?


[04:51] <CarlFK> cjwatson: thanks. wanted to make sure things hadn't shifted around
[22:58] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3643 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[22:58] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Cope with frozen choices when preseeding partman to select a particular
[22:58] <CIA-6> ubiquity: script (LP: #505197).
[23:07] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3644 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.8
[23:32] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3645 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Generate an apparmor cache to speed up boot time.


[21:01] <flocculant> ochosi: will this notify get to release for zesty?
[21:01] <knome> judging based on my POV, yes
[21:01] <flocculant> best report issues then ...
[21:02] <knome> likely so ;)
[21:02] <flocculant> :p
[21:02] <flocculant> ochosi: where would you want issues reported? git? lp?
[21:02] <ochosi> flocculant: i'll try to get that branch ready and merge it asap
[21:03] <knome> o hai ochosi
[21:03] <ochosi> then i'll do a release, when i feel it's ready
[21:03] <ochosi> hey everyone
[21:03] <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
[21:03] <ochosi> flocculant: currently there's only bugzilla and it doesn't support branches :/
[21:03] <ochosi> so you can either report them here to me directly and i can try to tackle them
[21:04] <ochosi> or if it's todos for a roadmap i'd add it to the todo and check it into git
[21:04] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - well Clementine is turned off, but it's still being logged
[21:05] <ochosi> yeah, that option (don't log muted apps) is on the roadmap
[21:05] <flocculant> aaah ok
[21:05] <ochosi> i've had some discussions with knome about the options already...
[21:05] <ochosi> still not 100% convinced i have the final solution
[21:05] <ochosi> so basically i would like to enable:
[21:05] <ochosi>  - only logging when in DND
[21:05] <flocculant> so that's more down to how I imagined something working :)
[21:05] <ochosi>  - always logging
[21:05] <ochosi> - not logging muted apps
[21:06] <ochosi>  - only logging muted apps
[21:06] <ochosi> (roughly)
[21:06] <ochosi> in theory those could be two comboboxes
[21:06] <ochosi> but i dislike those, because they make options harder to discover
[21:06] <flocculant> right
[21:06] <flocculant> :)
[21:06] <ochosi> (you have to click a button first to see the options)
[21:07] <flocculant> bit gnomeish :D
[21:07] <ochosi> and that's where things get a little complicated
[21:07] <flocculant> yup - can imagine
[21:09] <ochosi> i guess i should add that i also don't like radiobuttons :]
[21:09] <flocculant> I'll likely turn logging off for the moment - I tested it - it works as expected currently - but if it's going to log muted apps (like a media player that some mad idjit like me runs for ~12 hours a day) it's going to be pretty unmanageable quickly :)
[21:09] <flocculant> not withstanding tangerine dream 30 minute tracks ;)
[21:11] <flocculant> mmm - me tests a thing
[21:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll keep it logging - turned clementine notifications off directly
[21:13] <ochosi> k, thanks!
[21:14] <flocculant> welcome as always :)
[21:14] <ochosi> muting is really for apps that don't have the "no notifications please" button ;)
[21:14] <ochosi> but yeah, it's also a central place to just disable/hide them
[21:14] <flocculant> so now I understand more how it works currently - only issue I have is the box size - which is fixed but not landed
[21:15] <flocculant> yea - understood now - when I looked I read "lets not log this" :)
[21:16] <flocculant> tbh - that kind of makes useful sense - someone mutes notification - but could see what it said if they wanted anyway
[21:16] <flocculant> your only logging muted apps
[21:17] <flocculant> all that aside - nice one \o/
[21:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume you didn't get sgt on the iso yet (I hope)
[21:18] <knome> why do you hope so? :P
[21:20] <flocculant> cos it's not there ;)
[21:20] <knome> lol
[21:44] <ochosi> flocculant: cool, thanks a ton for the testing and feedback!
[22:56] <bluesabre> flocculant, was still in proposed when I checked last
[22:57] <bluesabre> (and still)


[00:16] <arooni> about to upgrade ubuntu 14.04 => 16.04 server via command line; anything i need to keep in mind?
[00:16] <arooni> about to upgrade ubuntu 14.04 => 16.04 server via command line; anything i need to keep in minabout to upgrade ubuntu 14.04 => 16.04 server via command line; anything i need to keep in mind?d?
[00:16] <arooni> oops sorry for the repost
[00:16] <arooni> (twice :( )
[00:17] <sarnold> if you've got apache installed I think 16.04 changed the authentication and authorization stuff
[00:17] <sarnold> and php7 doesn't handle everything php5 did. or something like that.
[00:18] <rbasak> arooni: take a full system backup before you begin :)
[00:18] <arooni> is doing the upgrade not recommended
[00:18] <arooni> i.e. as opposed to transferring to a clean install
[00:19] <sarnold> no, upgrade should work, please file bugs if you run into trouble. but backups are always a good idea. :)
[00:20] <arooni> running a snapshot backup first
[00:29] <arooni> i wasnt really paying attention; was running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade wrong
[00:30] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade is the supported way to move from one release to the next
[00:34] <arooni> sarnold: ok so a bit of dist-upgrade already ran before i control c'd it
[00:34] <arooni> does that mean i really screwed up
[00:34] <sarnold> maybe
[00:35] <arooni> and need to restore from the backup before trying again
[00:35] <sarnold> did it start unpacking packages yet?
[00:35] <sarnold> or was it still downloading?
[00:35] <arooni> ummm i think it was setting up packages :(
[00:36] <arooni> got to this https://gist.github.com/5b17ced2bbdde3cae2cc806cdba9bae8
[00:36] <sarnold> *probably* if you set the apt sources back the way they were, and run do-release-upgrade, it'll sort out a path forward
[00:36] <sarnold> arooni: those numbers seem sane. might as well let it go :)
[00:37] <arooni> well i have a backup in case i kaboshed it
[00:37] <arooni> may as well see
[00:45] <sdeziel> arooni: if you have apache2, sites-enabled needs to contain files ending with .conf
[00:45] <rbasak> nacc_: do you want me to work on getting gpgv in the snap tomorrow? Or are you looking at it already?
[00:46] <arooni> sdeziel: i'm using nginx
[00:46] <arooni> if there are any gotchas there
[00:46] <sdeziel> arooni: not that I remember
[00:46] <sdeziel> arooni: only good things ahead (http2) :)
[00:47] <nacc_> rbasak: i can work on it now, and i'll send an mp off yours?
[00:47] <nacc_> it should end up passing ci as a means to check it
[00:49] <arooni> goodbye php 5.6
[00:49] <arooni> hello php 7
[00:50] <nacc_> arooni: 14.04 -> 16.04?
[00:50] <arooni> howd you guess lol
[00:51] <rbasak> nacc_: sure, thanks
[00:51] <nacc_> arooni: :)
[00:51] <arooni> should i keep the unattended upgrades config file i created
[00:51] <arooni> diff doesnt appear to have anything about a specificrelease
[00:56] <sdeziel> arooni: trusty ships with php 5.5.9, do you have any PPAs?
[00:57] <arooni> i think i did
[00:57] <arooni> probably   should have blown them away      prior to upgrade
[00:57] <nacc_> do-release-upgrade does automatically disable them, but you still need to purge them, iirc
[00:58] <arooni> well it booted up successfully as 16.0.4
[00:58] <arooni> 16.04.4
[00:59] <nacc_> arooni: well, that's not released yet, so hopefully not :)
[01:06] <sdeziel> nacc_: the base-files update was pushed already
[01:06] <nacc_> sdeziel: really?
[01:06] <nacc_> sdeziel: that's surprising, but i guess doesn't hurt
[01:06] <sdeziel> grep VERSION= /etc/os-release
[01:07] <sdeziel> all of my systems are reporting 16.04.4
[01:07] <arooni> so ;;; if there are things listed in my sources.list.d directory that reference trusty
[01:07] <nacc_> sdeziel: interesting, i thought that would be coordinated with the official release, but maybe that's only for the iso
[01:07] <arooni> do i need to delete/remove them
[01:07] <arooni> or will they not be used as its not the xenial release
[01:07] <sdeziel> nacc_: the ISO always seems to lag from a couple days
[01:08] <sdeziel> arooni: you need to delete/update them
[01:08] <nacc_> sdeziel: well, the iso isn't supposed to release until mar 1
[01:08] <sdeziel> arooni: well, only the files with names ending with .list
[01:09] <arooni> what are the other files there for
[01:09] <sdeziel> leftovers from the release upgrade mostly
[01:24] <nacc_> rbasak: i'm testing the trivial revert now, and then i'll need to narrow it done
[01:24] <nacc_> i should be able to work on it more tmrw
[03:17] <nacc_> rbasak: sigh, you're calling gpg too in the tests :)
[03:19] <nacc_> rbasak: i think we can snap all of gpg again, but not use it in our code
[03:19] <nacc_> beyond the tests
[03:19] <nacc_> i'll need to verify that's actually the case, though
[03:58] <chamar> Hi folks, anyone using LXC/LXD?
[04:22] <sdeziel> chamar: yes
[04:23] <chamar> sdeziel, Are you using the apt-get package or snap?!  Having package at both place is kind of confusing
[04:24] <sdeziel> chamar: I'm using the apt-get package because I set this up before the snap came in. That said, upstream recommends using the snap now
[04:25] <chamar> Thanks, I'll go with snap then. Appreciate.
[04:25] <sdeziel> np
[04:27] <Goop> is it possible to enable/disable a graphical desktop environment on-demand?
[04:44] <sarnold> you can certainly apt-get install unity or fvwm2 or whatever you want .. and then apt-get purge it again later
[04:52] <sdeziel> Goop: on a 16.04 desktop, you could set the lightdm service to not autostart (systemctl disable lightdm) and manually start it when you want a graphical session
[04:54] <mason> Goop: you don't mean "systemctl set-default" do you?
[04:55] <mason> ...because if youre going to have a generic system-wide default on Unixlike systems, of course it should really mean "is this my laptop or not". :P
[04:55] <mason> s/default/& setting/
[05:03] <chamar> urgl.. what is that netplan thing?! :/
[05:03] <mason> chamar: You should still be able to install/usr ifupdown.
[05:04] <chamar> yeah.. ho.. that seems to be tied with systemd.. hum
[06:03] <cpaelzer> good morning
[09:50] <rbasak> nacc_: oh. To import the keys into keyrings, yeah, sorry. Any version fo gpg will do for that though.
[11:01] <soshiant> i want to install snmpd
[11:01] <soshiant> apt-get install snmpd
[11:01] <soshiant> errror is : libsnmp30 depends libsensores
[11:02] <soshiant>  i use ubuntu server repository
[11:02] <soshiant> trusty distribution
[11:02] <soshiant> snmpd depends libmysqlclient18
[11:19] <hateball> soshiant: can you !paste the full output?
[11:19] <hateball> soshiant: also run an "sudo apt-get update" first
 libsnmp30 depends libsensores4 but it is not installed
 snmpd depends libmysqlclient18 but it is not installed
[11:41] <hateball> soshiant: can you paste what "apt-cache policy libsnmp30" says?
[11:41] <hateball> !paste | soshiant
[11:41] <soshiant> i use ubuntu server repository
[11:41] <soshiant> i can't past
[11:43] <Ussat> When 18.04LTS goes live, what ver of php will it have ? 7 ?
[11:51] <soshiant> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7DrW4n74r5/
[12:53] <frickler> jamespage: you might want to fix your ceph-volume patch to avoid overlap with debian/python-cephfs.install:usr/lib/python2*/dist-packages/ceph_volume_client.py*, see https://git.launchpad.net/~j-harbott/ubuntu/+source/ceph/commit/?id=a874f13042b58073906b9a4465c3498d99301d3c
[13:26] <jamespage> frickler: thanks
[13:29] <soshiantt> .
[14:07] <boxrick> Good afternoon folks, just dabbling with Ubuntu 18 and I would like to drop netplan and use the stock systemd-networkd. Is there any caveats or things to be aware of in this?
[14:07] <boxrick> And a simple way of disabling netplna
[14:07] <boxrick> Netplan
[14:13] <rbasak> boxrick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan#I_really_do_need_ifupdown.2C_can_I_still_use_it.3F
[14:13] <rbasak> Oh I'm sorry.
[14:13] <rbasak> That's not exactly what you asked.
[14:14] <rbasak> But I suppose if you used ifupdown in the way described, it's easy enough to configure it to do nothing.
[14:14] <rbasak> I suspect exactly the same applies with netplan - if not given a plan, it will do nothing.
[14:14] <rbasak> cyphermox: ^
[14:15] <boxrick> So lets assume I remove the netplan config then insert the systemd networkd config and restart networkig
[14:15] <boxrick> networking*
[14:15] <rbasak> What does "restart networking" mean? :)
[14:16] <boxrick> Good point, since that doesn't work in Ubuntu 18
[14:16] <rbasak> The term has no meaning.
[14:16] <rbasak> Way back when (before upstart) it might have meant "run the restart action on the networking init.d script)
[14:17] <rbasak> Nowadays with more complex networking setups, and hotplug and so on, it has little meaning.
[14:26] <cyphermox> boxrick: have you filed bugs about whatever doesn't work for you?
[14:26] <cyphermox> and yeah, if you just remove the config, it will do nothing
[14:37] <boxrick> There is no bugs
[14:37] <boxrick> Just rather first testing
[14:37] <boxrick> I need a multi OS networking config, so netplan isn't suitable
[14:37] <boxrick> Configuring systemd-networkd directly is ideal.
[14:38] <boxrick> So as a brief example, if I have eth0 configured by netplan on DHCP. If I remove the config, recreate in systemd-networkd and do a service systemd-networkd restart. Will it spring to life ?
[14:38] <boxrick> Is there any way to confirm netplan is not doing the config to make sure its working.
[14:39] <cyphermox> if there is nothing in /etc/netplan, netplan will do absolutely nothing
[14:40] <cyphermox> but yes, you can use netplan to generate a configuration, then edit it as a starting point for using systemd-network directly -- so once you have config for systemd-networkd in /etc/systemd/network, you can restart systemd-networkd and the network should be managed correctly.
[14:57] <rbasak> nacc_: would you mind avoiding prefixing your branch names with lp references please? It stops me being able to tab complete anything :-/
[14:57] <rbasak> A suffix would be fine.
[15:39] <jamespage> frickler: thanks for that - I've pushed ready for next week when I'll upload
[15:41] <frickler> jamespage: nice, maybe you can also consider https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1752308
[15:46] <nacc_> rbasak: why does it stop you?
[15:50] <rbasak> nacc: because autocomplete stops after nacc/lp173 and after that I basically have to look up the number every time. From my POV your branches might as well be numbered instead of being named.
[15:51] <nacc> rbasak: right, but for me it's handy to know which branch i need to checkout based upon which bug i'm working on
[15:51] <nacc> rbasak: if it's a suffix, i need to know the <string topic> i chose in order to find it
[15:52] <rbasak> I didn't think you'd find it less convenient. It's your choice I guess :)
[15:52] <rbasak> Personally I can remember the names of a few different things more easily than I can remember the numbers of a few different things :)
[15:52] <nacc> rbasak: i'm the opposite :)
[15:52] <rbasak> (and the numbers are typically all alike)
[15:53] <rbasak> nacc: if you're available, would you like to sync before the standup?
[15:54] <nacc> rbasak: ack
[15:54] <nacc> rbasak: i can join now
[15:54] <rbasak> omw
[15:54] <coreycb> jamespage: down to 3 failures with tempest on queens
[15:55] <coreycb> jamespage: i'm planning to get the final releases uploaded and then work through those last 3 failures
[15:56] <jamespage> coreycb: +1
[15:56] <jamespage> sounds good - do you need a hand?
[15:56] <jamespage> happy for you to take all of the release glory but if you want to spread the load I have some 'waiting for functional tests to complete' time
[15:58] <coreycb> jamespage: either way is fine with me
[15:58] <coreycb> jamespage: should be relatively light-weight at this point
[15:58] <jamespage> coreycb: ok shall I take the neutron* and networking* bits then?
[15:58] <jamespage> and you can work the rest
[16:05] <coreycb> jamespage: sure, sounds good
[16:43] <nacc> rbasak: do you have a few minutes? just wanted to check something with you
[16:43] <rbasak> nacc: sure. Which HO?
[16:43] <nacc> rbasak: standup is fine
[16:44] <rbasak> omw
[16:47] <arunpyasi> Hi everyone, I need to have a secondary mail server which can be used to receive and send emails when primary server is down and the emails should be sync with one another. How do I achieve that ? A good tutorial/manual/tool/link would be appreciated. Thanks !
[16:48] <TJ-> arunpyasi: if using postfix a smarthost config on 1 of them
[16:59] <arunpyasi> TJ-,doing that will sync the emails on both the sides ?
[17:02] <TJ-> arunpyasi: the idea is the SmartHost receives them and passes them on to the primary server when it can
[17:09] <arunpyasi> TJ-, ok, I went through this soln but the thing is, I need each other to be synced and server2 be available for pop/imap/smtp when server1 is down
[17:11] <TJ-> arunpyasi: then you'd need file-system level syncing between them of the mailbox directory/ies so POP/IMAP clients can see the emails
[17:13] <arunpyasi> TJ-, ok so this goes to the filesystem sync ? can it be rsync or GlusterFS ?
[17:13] <Ussat> You need 2 servers that share the same FS, and the config on the servers should reflect that
[17:13] <TJ-> arunpyasi: take your pick of options :) I think I'd want a distributed file-system of some sort to make the sync transparent, but then you hit the problem of, at some times, needing it to switch masters
[17:13] <Ussat> also you need a smart way to determine when one is down and automatically fail to the live server
[17:14] <TJ-> arunpyasi: might be worth looking at how high-available servers are configured for jsut this kind of thing
[17:14] <Ussat> you could use a VIP that then goes to one or the other servers, the VIP could live on something like a F5
[17:14] <Ussat> which would switch from one to the other based on which is live
[17:25] <arunpyasi> Ussat, what is VIP ? AFAIK is Very Important Person
[17:26] <Ussat> Virtual IP
[17:27] <Ussat> So.....in the case of your scenario, the IP would reside on the F5 or similar, and the F5 would forward requests to one or the other server
[17:27] <Ussat> AKA Poor Mans HA
[17:27] <Ussat> Its perfectly viable though and works quite well
[17:28] <Ussat> Hard to explain over text
[17:42] <jamespage> coreycb: ok have neutron* and networking* built - about to publish to bionic once everything is differed
[17:43] <coreycb> jamespage: awesome
[17:59] <jamespage> coreycb: publishing now - I'll need to eod shortly
[18:00] <coreycb> jamespage: ok thanks. i should be able to get the rest today. work is underway on my end.
[18:32] <dpb1> _bladernr_: the bug looks fine.  Thanks.  nacc is working on it now, we'll let you know where there is something to test.
[18:32] <nacc> dpb1: thanks
[18:34] <_bladernr_> dpb1, thanks!
[18:34] <nacc> rbasak: to be sure, you're planning on acking my branch (fixes) before you EOW?
[18:35] <nacc> rbasak: and/or reviewing i guess
[18:35] <dpb1> nacc: good thing you pinged him here. :)
[18:35] <nacc> dpb1: well, it's what we had talked about earlier, but i wanted to be sure -- needed before we can ramp up phasing
[18:38] <dpb1> nacc: understood
[19:11] <rbasak> nacc: yeah I am. I deferred finishing work to do some chores that needed setting off earlier (like laundry). Now back to finish work and OW :)
[19:11] <rbasak> EOW
[19:11] <nacc> rbasak: np, i'll need to reboot in a sec, but i think this snap test should pass now (turns out gpg is senstivie to the order of its options :)
[19:27] <nacc> rbasak: ok, got self-test working with yoru branch
[19:27] <nacc> i'll update mine
[20:17] <nacc> rbasak: fyi, tests pass with my branch, i think i'm ok to land (i could wait for the integration tests, but it's a noop there, afaict)
[22:25] <nacc> powersj: hrm, do you know if the jenkins is perhaps not retriggering right now on branch changes?
[22:25] <nacc> powersj: i just updated ~nacc/lp1734905-script-fixes and i'm not seeing the CI job yet
[22:25] <powersj> nacc: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/git-ubuntu-ci-trigger/17270/console that's the latest job
[22:25] <nacc> usually it's pretty immediate
[22:25] <powersj> it runs every 15mins
[22:25] <nacc> oh ok
[22:26] <nacc> maybe i always just got caught it before :)
[22:50] <coreycb> jamespage: everything for queens should be uploaded at this point. will cross-check the report later. still have 3 tempest failures.
[23:15] <driftmonk> hey guys. I’m trying to set e-tag and last-modified headers on my .htaccess but it only seems to work for requests to my subdomains. any ideas? (Wordpress on Ubuntu)
[23:16] <sarnold> driftmonk: iirc the main config delegates to the htaccess files which settings can be modified; perhaps your vhost configs delegate those things, but the "main" configs do not?
[23:18] <driftmonk> sarnold: are you talking about the httpd.conf file?
[23:19] <driftmonk> sorry i haven't touched web servers in a while
[23:20] <sarnold> driftmonk: yeah, and all the files that it includes
[23:22] <driftmonk> mm yes perhaps. I’m just using digital ocean with a Wordpress on Ubuntu platform. where on the machine can I find the configs?
[23:23] <sarnold> /etc/apache* I think
[23:23] <driftmonk> ahh! right! thanks sarnold. will have a look! cheers :)
[23:33] <pmatulis> how can i discover whether a certain package is installed by default on an ISO? for instance, how to discover whether 'lxd' is installed on Artful Server or Artful Desktop?
[23:33] <nacc> pmatulis: seeded-in-ubuntu command
[23:34] <nacc> pmatulis: and 'preinstalled' in the output for server or destkop as appropriate
[23:36] <patdk-lap> never installed for me
[23:36] <patdk-lap> but that is cause I only install jeos
[23:39] <pmatulis> nacc, sweet! but this covers only the running release right?
[23:41] <pmatulis> also, for 'snapd', i see 'ubuntu-server: daily, daily-live, daily-preinstalled'
[23:41] <pmatulis> what about the official ISO? and there are live ISO's for server?
[23:42] <nacc> pmatulis: i'm actually not sure, i think it reflects the current seeds (e.g., for bionic), but i really don't know
[23:42] <nacc> pmatulis: there is a new installer iso now (subiquity)
[23:42] <nacc> pmatulis: i wonder if that is waht the daily-live is
[23:43] <nacc> powersj: --^ maybe you can answer better?
[23:43] <mwhudson> er i don't think so
[23:43] <mwhudson> the live-server is just the server seed + sprinkles
[23:43] <nacc> oh ok
[23:44] <mwhudson> i think, anyway :)
[23:46] <mwhudson> or is it the cloud-image seed?
[23:54] <mwhudson> minimal, standard, server and cloud-image _tasks_ it seems
[23:54] <nacc> mwhudson: ah


[22:18] <Eickmeyer> Hey kernel team! Got a huge issue with bluetooth after the latest OEM kernel update. Bug 1956393. Confirmed on multiple machines, and getting support calls from Kubuntu Focus customers on this one.
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> It's so bad we are going to have to blacklist this kernel version on affected machines.
[22:19] <Jeremy31> Eickmeyer: Be sure to add results for>  lsusb; dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm'
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> Jeremy31: Already being done.


[00:19] <jono> ok folks, looking for Lucid quotes
[00:19] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidQuotes
[00:19] <jono> please go and edit :-)
[00:20] <maco> jono: i assume that doesnt include the lovely one i saw in #ubuntu? "why does lucid suck?"
[00:20] <jono> maco, haha
[00:20] <jono> no.l
[00:20] <jono> no.,
[00:20] <jono> no.
[00:20] <jono> :-)
[00:21] <maco> did get the person interested in helping out patch review and bug squad!
[00:46] <doctormo> jono: The quotes seem scrunched up
[02:47] <jono> anyone know the keybinding to access the indicator applets?
[03:55] <nigelb> jcastro: poke, around?
[04:34] <jturek> jono: super-m for the "me menu" if thats what you mean
[04:35] <jturek> super-s for the startup/shutdown
[04:39] <jturek> g'nite
[07:11] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:38] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[08:39] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[08:40] <nigelb> Now to send out mails.  Looks like I have a marathon to go.
[09:01]  * jussi is having a bad day...
[09:01] <nigelb> jussi: aww
[09:01] <jussi> Our mail server has decided to take a trip to the hospital...
[09:01] <nigelb> ouch
[09:02] <popey> morning all
[09:03] <nigelb> morning popey
[09:18] <dpm> morning popey
[09:18] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[09:18] <czajkowski> tis Friday :D
[09:20] <dpm> \o/
[09:20] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[09:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: yes, tgif!
[09:21] <AlanBell> ttfsmif
[09:22] <nigelb> AlanBell: hehe, that too
[10:39] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/czajkowski/statuses/14417541459 can folks RT please
[12:18] <czajkowski> jussi: might i suggest creating a wiki page or updating the bot page and then getting it translated
[12:19] <jussi> czajkowski: the bots page on the wiki already has been updated.
[12:20] <czajkowski> and translated?
[12:21] <jussi> not as far as I know, Im not a translator - how does the wiki translation work?
[12:22] <dpm> jussi, there is not much support for translation in wikis, so what we tend to do is to have an original page in English and then subpages with the translations
[12:22] <czajkowski> jussi: i know diddly dpm works his magic and then translations happen
[12:22] <jussi> dpm: right. If people want to translate it, they can. I dont have expertise to do that unfortunately.
[12:23] <dpm> as in EnglishPage and then EnglishPage/de (German translation), EnglishPage/lv (Latvian translation), etc
[12:23] <jussi> unless you call working google translat "expertise"
[12:23] <jussi> :P
[12:23] <jussi> but Ill add some more info to the page
[12:59] <jcastro> nigelb: got your mail, brilliant idea
[13:43] <nigelb> jcastro: thanks :) I got 2 people interested and now I think seb128 will kick me because they keep bugging him for more work ;)
[13:43] <jcastro> that's a good place to be, heh
[13:43] <nigelb> heh
[14:12] <qense> good afternoon
[14:13] <nigelb> hey qense :)
[14:14] <qense> How're you doing, nigelb?
[14:15] <nigelb> qense: spending time wisely to keep everyone busy
[14:15] <qense> good!
[14:15] <nigelb> Right now, I just got up. Need tea or coffee
[14:16] <qense> Good morning for you then.
[14:23] <jcastro> morning qense
[14:23] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/GlobalMenu
[14:23] <jcastro> thoughts on this?
[14:24] <qense> jcastro: Looking at it.
[14:25] <jcastro> qense: I was thinking we can have the same method for the bugs, like with indicator-application
[14:26] <qense> jcastro: ah! Spotted a typo in the third goal; the first 'other' is misplaced.
[14:27] <qense> jcastro: Good wiki page, I like that there is a place that provides clear information on the goals and the methods used to achive that.
[14:27] <jcastro> I'm learning!
[14:27] <qense> jcastro: Plus: it's probably the only way we can manage testing results.
[14:27] <jcastro> indeed
[14:27] <jcastro> I am not a fan of wiki tables, but this will do
[14:27] <qense> yeah
[14:27] <qense> jcastro: But I'm not so sure if we can use the same approach for Indicator Application.
[14:28] <qense> Maybe we can, but we'd have to make what we want to achieve for AppInd very clear.
[14:28] <jcastro> for this cycle I just want to finish off the broken apps from last time
[14:28] <qense> Like: testing this list of applications for the use of the tray or the word 'tray'
[14:28] <jcastro> oh, you mean the tray deprecation bits?
[14:28] <qense> yeah
[14:29] <qense> jcastro: I think a wiki page would be no use of all for just finishing the implemention of AppInd on its own.
[15:29] <Technoviking> why the @#&@#@ does my nick keep getting changed??
[15:29] <nigelb> Technoviking: lol, what client?
[15:29] <Technoviking> irssi
[15:29] <nigelb> oooh, thats strange
[15:30] <czajkowski> Technoviking: dodgey connection coming back unidentified?
[15:31] <Technoviking> czajkowski: maybe, but it is not going to my secordary nick, it just changing the k to a 1 in Technoviking
[15:32] <nigelb> Technoviking: I would suggest checking the config file and see what is the secondary nick there
[15:32] <czajkowski> Technoviking: is the secondary nick linked to the first nick?
[15:32] <Technoviking> czajkowski: yup
[15:32] <czajkowski> odd
[15:32] <Technoviking> I blame popey
[15:33] <nigelb> lol, why popey?
[15:33] <czajkowski> nigelb: cause we all #blamepopey at some point :)
[15:33] <nigelb> czajkowski: heh ;)
[15:34] <popey> \o/
[15:34] <nigelb> speak of the devil
[15:58] <jcastro> greg-g: got time today to ask someone on -bugs about that guy's question about splitting out bug 555169?
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 555169 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (Ubuntu) "[lucid] Keyboard and mouse freeze after grub, usb and PS/2 keyboard not working in X (affects: 27) (heat: 126)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555169
[15:58] <jcastro> greg-g: I am kind of slammed the rest of the day
[16:04] <jcastro> jono: are you planning on going to guadec?
[16:07] <greg-g> jcastro: so, I kinda wasn't paying attention to the details of that one, splitting it up? ie: having the WLUG guy report a new clean bug since this one is crazy?
[16:07] <popey> google.com is awesome today
[16:08] <popey> you can actually play pac man on it
[16:08] <nigelb> wow
[16:08] <jcastro> greg-g: yeah so the guy basically thinks the bug can be split like 4 times
[16:08] <jcastro> but doesn't know how to do that
[16:08] <greg-g> popey: holy cow that is awesome
[16:08] <nigelb> popey: oh, no I got eated
[16:09] <greg-g> jcastro: ok, so uh, just have him report a new bug, summarizing his information from that one, should do it, no?
[16:09] <jcastro> I think so
[16:09] <greg-g> I mean, "splitting" implies someone else going in and figuring out the bug to decern what is importnat and what isn't, from each reporter
[16:09] <greg-g> k
[16:09] <jcastro> yeah
[16:09] <jcastro> I think the guy just needs to know that he can do that
[16:09] <greg-g> cool
[16:09] <greg-g> I'll email him
[16:10] <nigelb> I <3 GOOGLE!
[16:10] <greg-g> huh, if you just sit there and don't move, the ghosts won't get you
[16:10] <greg-g> in the starting position
[16:11] <nigelb> well, you dont win either
[16:12] <greg-g> heh
[16:12] <greg-g> well said, nigelb
[16:12] <nigelb> pacman is awesome, any day!
[16:45] <jturek> jcastro: re your blog post,  gcalctool starts super fast now with the latest ppa :) so funny that he fixed it so fast...
[16:46] <jcastro> yeah, totally awesome
[16:46] <jturek> and colorful now ;)
[16:57] <dpm> have a great weekend everyone, see you next week!
[17:35] <jcastro> <--- lunching
[18:07] <nigelb> jussi: around?
[18:46] <popey> hmmm
[18:46] <popey> someone has given me $300 amazon voucher
[18:46] <popey> which is tricky to spend in the uk
[18:46] <pleia2> I'll take it
[18:46] <cjohnston> You can give it to me then. ;-)
[18:46] <nigelb> I'll take it
[18:46] <popey> heheh, funny people
[18:47] <pleia2> :D
[18:47] <cjohnston> ill even send you somethint hat i buy with it
[18:48] <nigelb> see, we're all interested inreading
[18:49] <popey> could get someone to ship something to me I guess
[18:49] <popey> or try to sell it to someone who wants to buy a pressie for someone in the states I guess
[18:49] <popey> or keep it for 6 months and use it at UDS
[18:50] <nigelb> popey: use it at UDS seems possible
[18:50] <popey> maybe it'll be worth more by then ;)
[18:51] <nigelb> or you can conduct a treasure hunt and give it to the winner :D
[18:51] <cjohnston> be easier to just give it to me
[18:53] <nigelb> \0/
[19:00] <jturek> popey: get a few EC2 servers with it :)
[19:00] <popey> hah
[19:01] <popey> a proxy for watching hulu :)
[19:01] <jturek> well if ya need that, i already got one of them running :)
[19:01] <jturek> it'll cost you ... $300 to use it though
[19:02] <cjohnston> lol
[19:03] <jturek> and I can take amazon gift cards as payment (how ironic)
[19:06] <popey> :)
[19:19] <popey> tempted by a kindle
[19:20] <nigelb> popey: oooh, kindle is beautiful1
[21:26] <greg-g> jcastro: contacted that guy
[22:17] <nigelb> 20
[23:59] <qense> sleep well!


[16:11] <LeoNerd> How is breezy (brz) looking these days? Is there any reason I shouldn't just use it as a bzr client where previously I'd run bzr? i.e. just a different spelling...
[16:11] <LeoNerd> (that muscle memory though..)
[16:12] <Eighth_Doctor> LeoNerd: since Fedora 31, breezy provides bzr, so if you use Fedora, you don't have to change anything :)
[16:13] <Eighth_Doctor> err, Fedora 32
[16:13] <LeoNerd> debian here
[16:13] <Eighth_Doctor> (which isn't out yet, but of course, since I live on the edge, I forgot :P )
[16:13] <LeoNerd> My `bzr` is still the original bazaar
[16:14] <Eighth_Doctor> LeoNerd: you'll likely get this once bzr is ripped out of Debian with py2 removal going on now
[16:14] <LeoNerd> Righty
[17:14] <jelmer> LeoNerd: no reason not to use Breezy, though I'm possibly biased :)
[17:14] <jelmer> "bzr" in Debian unstable and testing is already Breezy
[17:15] <LeoNerd> Oh.. righty
[17:15] <LeoNerd> Ah that does clear up a confusion I had earlier, then
[17:15] <LeoNerd> I had a python2 program that wanted to import bzrlib and it didn't find it, and I was confused why bzr kept working
[17:15] <LeoNerd> Is `bzr` itself now just a trampoline for brz then?
[17:57] <jelmer> LeoNerd: yeah
[17:58] <jelmer> mostly to make the migration as seamless as possible
[17:58] <jelmer> obviously the API has changed, so not much we can do in that sense :-/
[18:02] <LeoNerd> Sure; I mostly just interact with commandline which honestly I hadn't noticed any difference on
[20:41] <fullermd> Last I looked there was a meaningful slowdown (worse with py3).  But I think my 'b' has been brz for a while too...
[20:43] <LeoNerd> Eh; any of my projects are quite small and usually the network roundtrip is the slowest part of most b{zr,rz} operations for me anyhow,.. I don't really notice the speed of the tooling overall
[20:43] <fullermd> Yep, it is (though forced to py2)
[20:43] <fullermd> The startup time is way higher.
[20:43] <LeoNerd> Ah h,,
[20:43] <LeoNerd> *hmm
[20:44] <LeoNerd> I've often wondered why more programs don't do a FastCGI-style persistent runner + lightweight wrapper setup
[20:44] <LeoNerd> make the wrapper a tiny C program that talks over a UNIX socket in $HOME
[20:45] <fullermd> I think that was the sorta idea behind 'bzr shell' or the like, once upon a time.
[20:45] <fullermd> 'd have to build it like that from the start though, or it'd be mighty hard to retrofit.  Apart from all the fiddle details about making it not blow up in fascinating ways in edge cases...
[20:45] <LeoNerd> I wouldn't like that. For me the whole point of having oneshot commandline tools is they sit right there in my normal shell with everything else
[20:46] <LeoNerd> OH. yeah.. Well for a start the moment you `cd` to somewhere else you might be in a different place
[20:46] <fullermd> Pshaw.  It's that sorta thinking that leads you to not use mh   ;p
[20:46] <LeoNerd> mh ?
[20:46] <fullermd> (well, use, I meant)
[20:46] <fullermd> The mail client, which is all individual shell commands.
[20:46] <LeoNerd> Ooh.. that one
[21:53] <jelmer> fullermd: there was a slow down because Breezy supported loading plugins from python endpoints for a while
[21:53] <jelmer> that triggered a lot of extra imports on some systems due to the way endpoints wokr


[03:28] <mtec> - from edubuntu website "Take note though that the Live CD is only a workstation solution and does not contain Edubuntu's server components." does it also not include manuals?
[03:30] <mtec> I tried to launch the Kturtle programing app and read the manual but the default location did not have a file
[03:34] <mtec> was version 6.06
[04:02] <mung107> so do y'all have many big edubuntu deployments out there?
[04:06] <mung107> Bueller?
[05:22] <crazy_bus> I installed edubuntu on a friends computer.  However the screen resolution only goes up to 800x600.  How can I change it to 1280x...? (My xorg.conf contains the correct resolution but the screen resolution changer doesnt seem to detect it)
[05:27] <bimberi> !fixres
[05:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:27] <bimberi> crazy_bus: see if that last link helps
[05:44] <crazy_bus> thanks
[08:45] <highvoltage> btw, edubuntugirl got published in croatia: http://bp1.blogger.com/_pJm17kdllh0/RfcZCMfsacI/AAAAAAAAAB4/QrgVCaifgXQ/s1600-h/jutarnji.jpg
[11:15] <ogra> cbx33, so
[11:23] <cbx33> hey ogra
[11:24] <cbx33> you're...actually here...
[11:24] <cbx33> yes he's real :p
[11:24] <cbx33> what can i do for you bud?
[11:25] <ogra> yeah, apart from having to bury one of my guineapigs which died yesterday and from the meeting tonight i'm all TCM and artwork today
[11:25] <cbx33> aorry to hear that dude
[11:25] <ogra> so what did kwwii say `
[11:25] <ogra> ?
[11:25] <cbx33> we only have one little pig left
[11:25] <ogra> we too
[11:25] <cbx33> well he emailed lisa
[11:25] <ogra> but that'll change again
[11:25] <cbx33> to say...he hasn't got any time
[11:25] <cbx33> and he was going to see you
[11:25] <ogra> ok
[11:25] <ogra> well, he didnt yet
[11:26] <cbx33> that was three days ago
[11:26] <cbx33> he was going to see you "tomorrow"
[11:26] <ogra> given that we need something *today* ...
[11:26] <ogra> as i see it, we need a wallpaper and a splash ...
[11:26] <cbx33> ok
[11:26] <cbx33> well....
[11:26] <ogra> seems i can adapt 5the ubuntu gdm theme
[11:26] <cbx33> you know what's on the palette...
[11:27] <ogra> by just changing the colors
[11:27] <cbx33> tonight I'm going to be really pushed to do anything
[11:27] <ogra> we need a neutral wallpaper
[11:27] <cbx33> i will be making themeeting though
[11:27] <ogra> like the one edgy has
[11:27] <cbx33> ok
[11:27] <cbx33> I will see what I can do
[11:27] <cbx33> I'll try to phone lisa and ask her to put something together
[11:27] <ogra> probably only  a slight vartiation of this one ...
[11:27] <ogra> less saturated, some new elements and the old ones moved a bit
[11:28] <cbx33> ok
[11:28] <cbx33> I'll put that to her
[11:29] <cbx33> can I ask...honestly....would we be better deferring TCM to feisty   1?
[11:29] <ogra> and what would we ship ?
[11:29] <cbx33> scp
[11:29] <ogra> we dont have SCP in the archive anymore
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <ogra> lets look at TCM ... we can cut down features that dont work
[11:30] <cbx33> I'm just worried about the time we have left for testing etc
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <cbx33> in that case it's basically working well
[11:30] <cbx33> grab the bzr repo
[11:30] <ogra> well, we can still fix bugs after beta as long as we dont need to introduce biug chunks of code
[11:30] <cbx33> ok
[11:30] <cbx33> that's cool then
[11:30] <ogra> yeah
[11:31] <ogra> lets focus on the big issues today, if we get them soirted we keep the feature, if not, we disable it
[11:31] <cbx33> ok
[11:31] <ogra> the small issues that are solvable with one two or three line changes can still be fixed
[11:31] <cbx33> VNC
[11:31] <cbx33> is the biggest
[11:31] <cbx33> asaics
[11:31] <ogra> well
[11:32] <cbx33> the password system
[11:32] <cbx33> plus we must sort of the Xsession issue
[11:32] <cbx33> and get rid of my ugly hack
[11:32] <cbx33> which was a suggestion from the ##gnome channel btw
[11:32] <cbx33> not me
[11:32] <ogra> i still have no idea what that Xsession issue is about
[11:33] <ogra> or where to look
[11:33] <cbx33> well....does it help to know what fixed it :p
[11:33] <cbx33> hehe
[11:33] <ogra> to me it seems as if the apps just start to early
[11:33] <cbx33> hmm
[11:33] <cbx33> no
[11:33] <ogra> and dbus isnt up at that time or something
[11:33] <cbx33> from what I heard
[11:33] <cbx33> it's not being started in the dbus session
[11:34] <cbx33> so it's like running in it's own session
[11:34] <ogra> right
[11:34] <ogra> thats what i said above :) the app is started to late to register with a running dbus ...
[11:34] <ogra> err
[11:34] <cbx33> oh right
[11:34] <cbx33> ok
[11:35] <ogra> to early indeed :)
[11:35] <cbx33> sorry
[11:35] <cbx33> so would the solution just be to make it start up after the dbus one?
[11:36] <ogra> doesnt it do that yet ?
[11:36] <cbx33> I can't remember
[11:36] <cbx33> it starts at 80
[11:36] <cbx33> or did
[11:36] <ogra> right and dbus starts at 75
[11:36] <cbx33> i think that's actually after
[11:36] <cbx33> yeh
[11:36] <cbx33> so it should be ok
[11:36] <cbx33> do you remember that bug someone else sent to you
[11:36] <ogra> so either dbus has a delay in startup
[11:37] <ogra> or we need a special way to register in its session
[11:37] <cbx33> yes
[11:37] <ogra> since it works if you start it after login, i suspect it might bethe delay ...
[11:37] <cbx33> possibly
[11:40] <cbx33> so.....can we introduce a wait in the Xsession file?
[11:41] <cbx33> or will that slow down boot up
[11:41] <ogra> uh, no
[11:41] <ogra> find the dbus slowness (if there is one) and fix it
[11:42] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:42] <cbx33> but how does my hack manage to fix it then
[11:42] <ogra> i guess you work arund it ...
[11:42] <ogra> i have to look at that screensaver bug
[11:42] <cbx33> which one is that?
[11:43] <cbx33> I can't do much here at work
[11:43] <cbx33> cos I can't access bzr trees
[11:43] <cbx33> sorry dude
[11:44] <ogra> no http ?
[11:44] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/bugs/82527 btw
[11:50] <cbx33> yes that bug
[11:50] <cbx33> it seems like the same issue
[11:51] <ogra> i very likely is
[11:51] <ogra> seb means we probably miss something form the environment which gets set by gnoe-session
[11:52] <ogra> argh
[11:52] <ogra> when did you drop the LTSP_CLIENT check ?
[11:52] <ogra> i have scp-client's for all my sessions running if ltsp or not
[11:52] <ogra> *no matter if
[12:10] <ogra> cbx33, i think i got it
[12:11] <ogra> the invocation is wrong in the Xsession.d script
[12:12] <ogra> scp-client needs to be adeed to the $STARTUP variable instead of being called directly
[12:12] <ogra> then gnome-session will start it and it will get the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS env variable
[12:23] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:23] <cbx33> ok
[12:23] <cbx33> sorry that was my fault
[12:23] <cbx33> what about gnome-screensaver
[12:25] <ogra> same
[12:26] <cbx33> awesome
[12:26] <cbx33> so you gonna fix gnome-screensaver too?
[12:26] <ogra> i guess the guy on the bug just runs: gnome-screensaver &
[12:26] <ogra> no
[12:26] <cbx33> ah i see
[12:26] <ogra> its not broken
[12:26] <cbx33> ;)
[12:26] <cbx33> so...
[12:26] <ogra> its just the way we start the app :)
[12:26] <cbx33> what are we going to do about VNC
[12:27] <ogra> i havent tested the scp-client thing yet .. give me time to fix and megre ... one thing at a time
[12:27] <cbx33> hehe
[12:27] <cbx33> oh ogra...
[12:27] <cbx33> heheh
[12:27] <cbx33> what did you mean about bzr and http?
[12:27] <cbx33> I can't checkout over http
[12:28] <cbx33> as it uses methods that our firewall blocks
[12:28] <ogra> bzr get http://blah/branch doesnt work ???
[12:29] <ogra> it shouldnt use anything else apart from http for that
[12:31] <cbx33> hmm
[12:31] <cbx33> lemme try
[12:31] <cbx33> if it works....I shall aplogise
[12:31] <ogra> at least for a get that should work
[12:31] <cbx33> ahh
[12:31] <cbx33> maybe I was using checkout
[12:31] <ogra> so you should be able to pull local branches to work with
[12:32] <ogra> well, i rather suspect you used https ;)
[12:32] <cbx33> not sure
[12:50] <cbx33> lol at your last bug comment :p
[01:01] <RichEd> hi cbx33, jsgotangco
[01:01] <jsgotangco> good evening
[01:02] <RichEd> we on for a meeeting today ? ogra ?
[01:07] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[01:11] <ogra> RichEd, edubuntu meeting, yes
[01:11] <ogra> or did you mean a different one ?
[01:16] <RichEd> ogra: yes edubuntu
[01:17] <ogra> yup, 20:00 UTC
[01:20] <RichEd> okay ... thought it was now: /
[01:22] <jsgotangco> 20UTC
[01:22] <jsgotangco> thanks :P
[01:25] <highvoltage> when is it an EC meeting again?
[01:33] <ogra> highvoltage, last week :P
[01:41] <highvoltage> I think I was there last week, but it was a quick meeting with mostly you and cbx33 there
[01:41] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: by the way, morgs told me to tell you '"sudo wait for your CDs!"' 5 minutes and 41 seconds ago (on Wed Mar 14 14:35:15 2007)
[01:41] <highvoltage> hie hie
[01:41] <ogra> why does it need sudo ?
[01:46] <highvoltage> I think he wants to force it somehow :)
[01:49] <cbx33> sudo make me a sandwich
[01:52] <ogra> making sandwich is surely not an admin job
[01:52] <ogra> shouldnt need sudo
[01:52] <ogra> ;)
[01:52] <cbx33> heheh
[01:55] <jsgotangco> you should watch metalocalypse
[01:59] <cbx33> ???
[02:11] <ogra> cbx33, where is the whole history of TCM ? seems you didnt iport the SCP branch properly in https://code.launchpad.net/~petesavage/+branch/tcm/trunk
[02:11] <ogra> i only see three commits ...
[02:18] <cbx333> hey rpereira
[03:13] <rpereira> hey cbx333
[03:13] <rockprincess> howdy friends!
[03:19] <ogra> cbx333, any word about the branch ?
[03:28] <cbx333> no
[03:28] <cbx333> i am taking a class right now
[03:28] <cbx333> it's YouthLUG afternoon
[03:28] <cbx333> so I' ma little tied up
[03:28] <cbx333> hang on
[03:28] <cbx333> just getting IRC in that room
[03:28] <cbx333> I popped back to the office
[03:32] <cbx33> ogra: I here
[03:32] <cbx33> can i ask quickly
[03:32] <ogra> sure
[03:32] <cbx33> X_HORZSYNC
[03:32] <cbx33> X_VERTREFRESH
[03:32] <ogra> but only if you answer my question
[03:32] <cbx33> what do i need to change them to
[03:32] <cbx33> of course
[03:33] <cbx33> well
[03:33] <cbx33> how do i setup for 1024x768 res
[03:34] <ogra> hrm... what about the branch ?
[03:34] <cbx33> what about it
[03:34] <ogra> you need to set the right values from your monitor handbook for them ...
[03:34] <cbx33> ahh ok
[03:34] <ogra> my question i asked 2h ago
[03:34] <cbx33> can i access it?
[03:34] <ogra> 1h, sorry
[03:34] <cbx33> bzr get
[03:34] <cbx33> hehe
 cbx33, where is the whole history of TCM ? seems you didnt iport the SCP branch properly in https://code.launchpad.net/~petesavage/+branch/tcm/trunk
 i only see three commits ...
[03:35] <cbx33> i never saw that.....sorry
[03:35] <cbx33> oh....
[03:35] <ogra> the whole SCP history is missing
[03:35] <cbx33> I think Ie done something youre gonna hit me for
[03:35] <cbx33> we said tcm was a new product....
[03:35] <ogra> nah, i dont hit people :)
[03:35] <cbx33> so i started a new branch
[03:35] <ogra> right
[03:36] <ogra> but TCMs code has a haistory of commits
[03:36] <cbx33> i guess i didn;t know how to do that
[03:36] <ogra> if one day someone points at you and says "you stole our proprietary code, its that snippet here..." and you dont find the author, that gets you into bad license issues
[03:37] <cbx33> right
[03:37] <ogra> well, you should just have branched the scp brnch to a tcm branch
[03:37] <cbx33> ok
[03:37] <cbx33> can i still merge them?
[03:37] <cbx33> I really sorry
[03:37] <ogra> i dont think so, but you can try indeed
[03:37] <ogra> dont worry, its just important that we have it somewhere ...
[03:38] <cbx33> ok
[03:38] <ogra> i'll look over it after release, just dont delete any SCP branches you have
[03:38] <cbx33> well it%u015B at scp
[03:38] <cbx33> yikes sorry bout that...
[03:38] <ogra> it%u015B ? really ?
[03:38] <cbx33> they keyboard layout on edgu edubuntu is screwy
[03:39] <ogra> where ? on the main distro or on the client ?
[03:39] <cbx33> client
[03:39] <cbx33> i can either have UK Dvorak
[03:39] <cbx33> or international with dead keys
[03:39] <cbx33> i want secret option number 3
[03:40] <ogra> well, set it right in lts.conf then :)
[03:40] <lrep> hello, i need help with my ubuntu laptop image.
[03:40] <ogra> in feisty it defaults to the servers keymap and locale
[03:40] <lrep> it's been working fine for 6 month and today when i turn the laptop on
[03:41] <lrep> i got mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: no such device
[03:41] <lrep> i think this error is suggesting that i don't have a harddrive
[03:42] <lrep> any ideas on resolution?
[03:43] <cbx33> hmmm ok ogra
[03:43] <cbx33> I still new to this edubuntu thingy
[03:45] <ogra> ha ha
[03:46] <cbx33> :p
[03:48] <cbx33>           Horizontal: 24kHz - 80kHzFrequency          Vertical: 49Hz - 75Hz
[03:48] <cbx33> ogra that%u015B all i can find
[03:48] <ogra> right, so you got your values
[03:49] <cbx33> i mean it works on 800x600
[03:49] <cbx33> but i want 1024x768
[03:49] <cbx33> how doi figure it out from that
[03:50] <ogra> you dont, get the values from your monitor handbook
[03:51] <cbx33> oh in that case.....there are none
[03:51] <cbx33> it doesnt have them for each mode
[03:51] <cbx33> :(
[03:51] <cbx33> i presume that%u015B what you were thinking of
[03:51] <ogra> google :)
[03:52] <cliebow>  cbx33:dont suppose xvidtune will help huh?
[03:52] <ogra> xvidtune will help if you already run 1024x786
[03:52] <ogra> err 768
[03:53] <cliebow> maybe we should get together and buy Two keyboards
[03:56] <ogra> heh
[03:56] <ogra> i guess i cant stretch my arm long enough to reach it on your desk then :)
[03:57] <cbx33> oi
[03:57] <cbx33> stop taking the micky
[03:58] <cliebow> linuxmint network stuff rocks..switching networks it just autodetects and works
[03:58] <cbx33> is vertsync the same as vertrefresh?
[03:59] <ogra> whats vertsync ?
[03:59] <cbx33> xvidtune gives vert sync
[03:59] <cbx33> X_HORIZSYNC = 60.06X_VERTREFRESH = 75.08
[04:03] <ogra> thats not a range
[04:03] <ogra> VAR=<lowest>-<highest> is a range
[04:04] <ogra> and drop the dots and digits afterwards
[04:05] <cbx33> oh i see
[04:05] <cbx33> ok
[04:05] <cbx33> ahh ok
[04:10] <cliebow> apt=get update works as advertised..y
[04:10] <cliebow> whoops
[04:11] <cliebow> Hey! seems to be on a roll this time
[04:11] <ogra> cliebow, did you see the errors in a client chroot or on the desktop
[04:11] <cliebow> ogra: just an ibook upgrade to feisty..but seems fine now
[04:12] <ogra> ah, ok, thats known, libgnomeui0 was uninstallable for some days
[04:12] <cliebow> Good: i can blame it on someone else
[04:12] <cliebow> 8~)
[04:13] <ogra> yes, the autobuilder who didnt get it built from source :)
[04:20] <cbx333> hehe
[04:20] <cbx333> hello
[04:45] <cbx333> off home
[04:45] <cbx333> backsoon
[06:27] <cbx33> ogra, how goes it?
 i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?
[06:47] <ogra> Seveas, thanks
[06:47] <Seveas> that was nalioth
[06:47] <Seveas> nalioth, thanks a lot :)
[06:48] <nalioth> ogra: Seveas was just the staked goat
[06:48] <ogra> yeah, thanks nalioth
[06:48] <Seveas> ogra, /msg chanserv op #edubuntu
[06:48] <ogra> hmm
[06:48] <ogra> if  /mgs chanserv help would have worked i'd have known :)
[06:49] <nalioth> ogra: what irc client do you use?
[06:49] <ogra> xchat
[06:49] <Seveas> ogra, www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/chanserv.py
[06:49] <Seveas> put that in your .xchat2 and you can simply use /cs o
[06:50] <ogra> whee
[06:50] <ogra> cool, thanks :)
[06:50] <nalioth> ogra: yes, use that and read the documentation
[06:50] <Seveas> after placing it in there do /py load chanserv.py
[06:50] <Seveas> (one time thing, it'll be autoloaded when you start xchat)
[06:50] <ogra> * Loaded Chanserv helper 1.0.1 by Seveas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[06:52] <Seveas> it can do some more fancy tricks you'll hardly ever need. If curious: first lines of the script are documentation
[07:05] <Burgwork> cbx33: I finally have your chapter from mako and I am looking at it this eveing
[07:07] <nalioth> y'all have fun
[07:15] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, looking at the diff between revision 2 nd 3 in your branch you actually knew the right fix already, you just implemented it wrongly :)
[07:17] <bddebian> Heya
[07:30] <cbx33> ogra, yup
[07:30] <cbx33> i knew i was close
[07:30] <cbx33> but I'md a dumbass
[07:30] <cbx33> I'm out for a while
[07:30] <cbx33> will be here for the meeting
[07:30] <cbx33> Burgwork, cool....anychance I can have a look?
[07:33] <cbx33> take care all
[08:35] <pips1> good evening and howdy
[08:41] <pips1> ogra: when do you expect a 7.04 beta build to be available after the freeze tomorow?
[08:58] <ogra> pips1, just start testing as you like, i386 should be half way fine ... having the isos there is helpful anyway for rsync
[08:59] <pips1> you got a point about having the iso there is helpful anyway for rsync :-) dowloading now
[09:03] <ogra> RichEd-1, meeting ?
[09:04] <RichEd-1> yep ...
[09:45] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd
[09:46] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage ... the folks are all in the meeting room
[09:46] <HedgeMage> ahh
[10:04] <LaserJock> is the meeting over?
[10:05] <cbx33> no
[11:00] <RichEd> ping cbx33
[11:00] <RichEd> chcek your /msg dude
[11:00] <RichEd> *heck
[11:08] <cbx33> RichEd: pm?
[11:17] <cbx33> nn all
[11:20] <tovella> I've been doing a lot of testing of edubuntu with feisty.  so far it's been great until the other day.  I downloaded and installed the 150 or so updates early yesterday morning (i think).  now the sound still works fine at the server, but  has stopped working on the thin clients.  any ideas?
[11:24] <ogra> tovella, what exactly did you update ? the client environment as well ?
[11:26] <bdoin> ogra, I have been told GCompris is no more in edubuntu in Feisty, that's true ?
[11:26] <ogra> no, thats not true
[11:26] <tovella> ogra: not at first, but tried that after loosing the sound.
[11:27] <ogra> its not on the server (former install) CD anymore, but on the liveCD and the server-add-on CD
[11:27] <bdoin> ok great, I think the guy installed the server and did not saw it
[11:28] <bdoin> that makes sense, thanks.
[11:28] <ogra> tovella, can you  check that libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 and libasound2-plugins are installed on the server ?
[11:28] <tovella> ogra: will do...
[11:28] <ogra> bdoin, well, we moved all big apps to the add-on CD by default
[11:29] <ogra> but aselection of apps like kdeedu and gcompri is used in the live session ...
[11:29] <tovella> ogra: yes, both are intalled.
[11:29] <ogra> usually we advise users with feisty to use the two CD approach with server/server-add-on
[11:29] <bdoin> sure, I should put GCompris on a diet ;)
[11:30] <ogra> well, the world should just switch to 10GB media ;)
[11:30] <ogra> then i could ship half the archive ;)
[11:30] <ogra> tovella, is that happening for all users ?
[11:30] <tovella> ogra: yes
[11:30] <bdoin> don't expect to see this soon in school, they get all the computers nobody want.
[11:31] <ogra> do you currently have access to a client ?
[11:31] <tovella> ogra: yes, using one as we speak.
[11:31] <ogra> bdoin, thats why we decided against a DVD release and for a two CD release, most edubuntu users wont have a DVD writer
[11:32] <ogra> and many wont even have a reader
[11:32] <ogra> tovella, ok, lest set a root password on your clinet and check something on the console
[11:32] <ogra> tovella, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[11:32] <tovella> already done.
[11:33] <tovella> opps. not for the chrooted envir...  hang one.
[11:33] <ogra> ok, can you log in on console n the client and check if pulseaudio is in the processlist ?
[11:34] <ogra> (i wouldnt advise you to set a root pw on your server .... surely not :) )
[11:34] <tovella> ogra: ok, just a sec.
[11:34] <ogra> ususally you also should use SCREEN_07=shell ... but the password methid works without rebooting the client
[11:35] <tovella> ogra: "ps aux |grep pulse" gives me nothing.
[11:35] <ogra> aha
[11:36] <ogra> but you see ldm and friends ? (if you drop the grep pipe)
[11:36] <tovella> ogra:  hang on...
[11:36] <ogra> usually there are only a handfull of pocs running, you dont need to grep
[11:37] <tovella> i've got a lot of processes running.  i don't see "ldm"
[11:38] <ogra> it will be at the end of the line ...
[11:38] <ogra> and start with /usr/bin/python
[11:39] <tovella> ogra: no, i still don't see it there.
[11:39] <ogra> not even with a grep ?
[11:40] <tovella> ogra: nope.
[11:40] <ogra> hmm
[11:40] <ogra> but you are on the clients console, not on the server, right ?
[11:40] <tovella> ogra: yes.
[11:41] <tovella> .. on a thin client.
[11:41] <ogra> how did you log in then ?
[11:41] <ogra> ldm is the login manager of ltsp5
[11:42] <ogra> do you have a lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?
[11:43] <tovella> ogra: yes.
[11:43] <ogra> can you paste it anywhere ?
[11:43] <tovella> [default]
[11:43] <tovella>     SOUND=True
[11:43] <tovella>     LOCALDEV=True
[11:43] <tovella>     NBD_SWAP=True
[11:43] <ogra> right that looks ok
[11:43] <ogra> its the default file ltsp-build-client creates
[11:44] <tovella> ogra: thats what i did, after re-installing the server from scratch (ltsp-build-client).
[11:45] <ogra> well, i'm not sure what to say, what did you do to log in on your client if no ldm is there
[11:45] <tovella> ogra: i think they decided to use gdm in fiesty.  ldm shows up as not installed.
[11:45] <ogra> "they" would be me ...
[11:45] <ogra> and i surely didnt drop ldm :)
[11:45] <tovella> ogra: oh.
[11:46] <ogra> it should be installed in the chroot, not o the server
[11:46] <ogra> how did your login screen look like ? what background color did it have ?
[11:46] <ogra> ldm should be white with edubuntu logo atm
[11:47] <tovella> ogra: orange, just like on the server.
[11:47] <ogra> gdm has a yellowish orangeish login
[11:47] <ogra> oh
[11:47] <ogra> hmm
[11:47] <ogra> that shouldnt happen
[11:48] <tovella> ogra: i noticed that when i chrooted, i got nothing from "ps".  i exited back out to the standard shell.
[11:48] <ogra> you need to mount /proc to see anything in ps
[11:49] <ogra> but then you will only see the servers processes indeed ...
[12:00] <tovella> ogra: chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386, i can see that "ldm" is installed.  still, when i pxe-boot the workstation, the login manager looks much like the server - same colors, but different icons for the shutdown and reboot buttons.
[12:00] <tovella> not sure if that helps.
[12:00] <ogra> aha
[12:01] <ogra> does it have a language and session button right under the password entry ?
[12:01] <tovella> i did notice a session button, but i wasn't paying enough attention to recall if there was one for language.
[12:02] <ogra> well, then you are using ldm
[12:02] <tovella> ok, good.
[12:02] <ogra> even though not the latest one with the white bg
[12:02] <ogra> can you check which ldm version that is ?
[12:03] <tovella> ogra: i'll check now..
[12:03] <tovella> ogra: Version: 5.0.1
[12:03] <ogra> yay, i just found a bug, great ... thanks for making me run ltsp-build-client :)
[12:03] <ogra> well, that version is recent
[12:04] <ogra> hmm
[12:04] <ogra> so why doesnt pulse start for you then
[12:04] <tovella> ogra: it may....
[12:05] <tovella> ogra: ...chrooted, i tried "mount /proc /mnt/other", but I don't think I'm doing it correctly.
[12:05] <ogra> no
[12:05] <ogra> mount -t proc proc /proc
[12:05] <tovella> ogra: ahh.
[12:06] <ogra> but that wontr help you ...
[12:06] <ogra> you really eed to be on the client console
[12:06] <tovella> ogra: i still am.
[12:06] <tovella> ogra: after mounting "ps" works (chrooted).
[12:07] <ogra> right, thats the only intresting area
[12:08] <tovella> ogra: still "ps" results in nothing for pulse or ldm
[12:08] <ogra> so try to run pulseaudio manually (it will complain a lot and fail without the right options, but it should at least make an attempt to start)
[12:08] <tovella> ogra: ok.
[12:08] <ogra> as i said before the chroot wont show you *anything*
[12:09] <ogra> only operate on the thin client console
[12:09] <ogra> dont touch the server or X
[12:10] <tovella> ogra: yes, running it manually did exactly what you said - errors, then failed.
[12:10] <ogra> right
[12:10] <ogra> try adding --system
[12:11] <ogra> then it should start (still with errors)
[12:12] <tovella> ogra: nope... did it chrooted... is that how i should have done it?  the first time (without --system) , it seemed to be looking for some files in my home directory - "'/home/ktraglin/.esd_auth': No such file or directory"
[12:13] <ogra> no
[12:13] <ogra> dont touch the server
[12:13] <ogra> only work on the thin client in the console
[12:13] <ogra> dont chroot
[12:13] <ogra> dont touch any X app
[12:13] <ogra> only the console of the client
[12:14] <tovella> ogra: no, the server is in the other room.  i've been doing this from a terminal window.  could that be the problem?
[12:14] <ogra> yes
[12:14] <ogra> with thin client console i mean you need to press ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root with the PW you have set in the chroot
[12:15] <tovella> oh...sorry.... let me get out ctrl-alt-F1
[12:15] <ogra> if you do anything chrooted it wont affect the client at all
[12:17] <tovella> ogra: now i can see where ldm is running, "pulseaudio --system" still fails.


[01:06] <orangeninja> What happining everybody?
[01:16] <GTswagger> orangeninja: electricus: wrst: Juzzy-: cyberanger: chris4585: orias: pace_t_zulu: Dan9186: Svpernova09: pleia2: ping
[01:16] <GTswagger> Sorry to ping everybody, but I desperately need Ubuntu speakers to fill the UbuCon out at the SouthEast LinuxFest.
[01:16] <GTswagger> Due to unforseen circumstances, if I can't fill it out we'll have to partially or completely pull the plug.
[01:17] <GTswagger> SELF 2011 is June 10th-12th in Spartanburg, SC.  There is an UbuCon on Fri the 10th and Sun the 12th.
[01:17] <GTswagger> Anybody game to speak?
[01:19] <orangeninja> I don't think anyone else is here at the moment GTswagger
[01:21] <GTswagger> orangeninja:  I'll wait. :)
[01:22] <orangeninja> :)
[01:40] <wrst> GTswagger: cyberanger i think generally attends
[01:42] <GTswagger> wrst:  thanks I'll wait for him to pop back in the channel
[01:44] <wrst> cool GTswagger
[01:49] <orangeninja> wrst or GTswagger : is the only way to clear out old kernals to delete from synaptic package manager? I thought there was a console command that did this too...
[01:50]  * GTswagger confesses guiltily to using Arch Linux and Gentoo.
[01:52] <orangeninja> well, I might be using those one day too... But i figure i'll be on ubuntu for a while longer.
[02:02] <orias> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/need-to-remove-old-versions-of-ubuntu-kernel-466660/
[02:02] <orias> or if you know which one you want gone: sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.2x-xx-*
[02:06] <cyberanger> wrst: only the first year, at clemson, last year conflicted with family trip, but that family trip and fosscon had great timing, end of trip was delayed, was in one of my hometowns, Rochester, NY, it worked
[02:08] <cyberanger> GTswagger: we won't hold arch or gentoo against you (heck, I think some of us have switched away from ubuntu ourselves, or at least broadened our horizions)
[02:08] <cyberanger> ;-)
[02:08] <cyberanger> what exactly is needed?
[02:08] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  *buntu talks
[02:08] <GTswagger> for UbuCon
[02:10] <cyberanger> I couldn't give you the kind of confirmation you'd need for that, the cost shot up when it moved from clemson to spartanburg
[02:10] <cyberanger> increased amount of gas, hotel fees, less campsites nearby
[02:10] <cyberanger> if I managed to go, I wouldn't know until 24-48 hours before, or so
[02:13] <cyberanger> GTswagger: I can pass the word to 6 lugs, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Cookeville, Nashville, Memphis & Asheville, NC, if you'd like
[02:14] <cyberanger> it's not exactly what you had in mind, but it's what I can offer now, I know Asheville has had people attend before, and some of the TN ones always metion SELF
[02:14] <cyberanger> how short are you?
[02:15] <cyberanger> GTswagger: how many ubucon speakers are you short?
[02:20] <wrst> GTswagger: I'm guilty of using arch also, and ubuntu but am really liking arch
[02:21] <chris4585> did someone say arch?
[02:24] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  I've already spammed all the SE LUGs about SELF, so I'd rather avoid spamming them again if I can help it.
[02:24] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  extremely short
[02:24] <cyberanger> chris4585: a few
[02:24] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  We'd need over a dozen speakers easy to fill out the scheduled time on both days.
[02:25] <cyberanger> GTswagger: any deadline?
[02:25] <GTswagger> wrst:  I cam to Arch from Gentoo after Gentoo's mass desktop developer exodus.   Gentoo still makes an uber elite server ... but there's just not enough manpower on the desktop side anymore.  Miro didn't make it into portage for 5 years.  That's insanity.
[02:25] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  no firm deadline, but the sooner the better
[02:26] <wrst> GTswagger: I just am not so wildabout unity and really like gnome 3 so that's a large reason I'm using Arch moreandmore
[02:28] <GTswagger> wrst:  I <3 me some KDE 4.   But honestly I spend most of my time in KDE in yakuake and Opera.
[02:28] <orangeninja> still on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS .....
[02:28] <cyberanger> GTswagger: I'm concerned by the time I could actually confirm things, I'd be giving you 3-5 days notice, if I'm lucky
[02:28] <GTswagger> I do have some Ubuntu LTS servers though, mainly because they have a long support cycle and Zimbra supports them.
[02:28] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  Let's see how things fill up and I'll get back to you
[02:29] <GTswagger> can you email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so I don't forget?
[02:30] <cyberanger> sure, I'm seeing if you emailed the lugs I listed too
[02:31] <cyberanger> some of them never bring up self (at least until afterwards)
[02:31] <cyberanger> also, you might want to consider shooting our mailing list on it, 15% of our members are IRC, 10% right now (roughly)
[02:33] <orangeninja> GTswagger: I got your email on NLUG list May 19
[02:33] <cyberanger> nlug is the only one I recall seeing
[02:33] <orangeninja> Im in the channel now, kinda dead but I'll throw it in there...
[02:34] <cyberanger> and they had a fair sized group go last year, if I recall
[02:46] <cyberanger> GTswagger: just took a quick look, unlikely I will be going unless work sends me there or something like that, something to cut costs
[02:48] <cyberanger> I'll see what other way I might be able to help this issue
[02:55] <vychune> o/
[02:56] <orangeninja> hey vychune
[02:57] <vychune> long time no see
[02:58] <orangeninja> I know...
[03:00] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  k, thnx
[03:01] <vychune> hows everybody doing?
[03:03] <orangeninja> pretty good.
[03:04] <vychune> im now a mint user
[03:05] <vychune> mom loves it
[03:05] <vychune> i like it
[03:39] <vychune> any web devs here
[04:49] <cyberanger> GTswagger: I see some lugs in smaller cities (however one is just as big as the two cities an hour away) were missed, I'll cross post from your ALE post, get them in the loop too
[04:55] <cyberanger> GTswagger: were you at SELF or Atlanta Linux Fest in 2009?
[06:44] <GTswagger> cyberanger:  I'm SELF's speaker coordinator.  And I was also at ALF.
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> GTswagger: what kind of speakers are you looking for?
[16:26] <pace_t_zulu> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/05/mozilla-rejects-webp-image-format-google-adds-it-to-picasa.ars
[18:57] <GTswagger> pace_t_zulu:  anything *buntu
[21:49] <orias> anybody have tips on manually updating your kernel version?
[21:51] <wrst> orias: when you say manually updating how manual do you mean?
[21:51] <orias> terminal or synaptic
[21:51] <wrst> ok so don't mean like compiling then :)
[21:51] <wrst> orias:  i'm betting there is a PPA?
[21:52] <wrst> orias: what exactly are you wanting?
[21:52] <orias> probably, but what kind of issues seem common?
[21:53] <wrst> orias: i have no clue, do you use any non open source drivers?
[21:53] <wrst> I guess the big question is why do you want to update?
[21:53] <orias>  im on 2.6.32, .35 is out
[21:53] <wrst> orias: what version of ubuntu ?
[21:53] <orias> .39 is soon
[21:53] <orias> a heavily modified version of mint
[21:53] <orias> based off 10.4
[21:54] <orias> I dont want to have to reset up everything
[21:54] <chris4585> orias, biggest issue is a driver or something doesn't yet work on a newer kernel, and to fix that just use your older kernel, if you didn't uninstall it
[21:55] <chris4585> if thats what you mean
[21:55] <wrst> orias: i don't really see any advantage to worrying about it if all is working well
[21:55] <orias> hmmm
[21:55] <wrst> sounds like a good way to have problems that you don't know :)
[21:55] <orias> :D
[21:55] <wrst> but there are ppa's out there i believe
[21:55] <chris4585> lol
[21:56] <wrst> i would probably just upgrade from 10.04
[21:56] <chris4585> I'm on .38 using 11.04
[21:56] <wrst> i'm on .38 on 11.04 and on arch  also
[21:56] <chris4585> speaking of which, I believe sometime I'll join you wrst on arch
[21:57] <orias> if i have to do a dist upgrade i may as well redo evereything from scratch and just go to debian or arch :p
[21:57] <wrst> chris4585: my notebook is about to burn so I'm going to get one set up just as I want
[21:58] <wrst> orias: not really i don't know about mint but ubuntu upgrades rather nicely
[21:59] <orias> its supposed to :D
[21:59] <wrst> I've never had much issue other than with 9.10, and well I had nothing but trouble with it
[22:05] <wrst> orias:
[22:05] <wrst> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:06] <wrst> they have debs for them... not for sure I would go that route, even have .39 and .40 available
[22:11] <orias> well there's a long weekend coming up
[22:12] <wrst> go out orias, cook a hot dog play some ball breathe some fresh air ;)
[22:12] <wrst> orias: i don't know if that is the ubuntu kernel or just the vanilla kernel either
[22:14] <orias> i was looking at fdisk, i still have my old windows recovery partition lying around, I think ill just blow that out and shrink some things and drive something else in there
[22:17] <orias> so... arch or debian?
[22:20] <wrst> orias: what do you want?
[22:20] <wrst> you want up to date software or stability or somewhere in the middle?
[22:21] <orias> a system i can build up, learn from and relatively up to date
[22:21] <wrst> if you want latest and greatest arch is great for that, stability can't beat debian, I think ubuntu really gives you best of both worlds
[22:21] <wrst> orias: i think arch or debian either can give you that, I like arch because its very... chris4585 is this the right term its fairly vanillay linux?
[22:22] <orias> vanilla is good, its a good base to build upon
[22:22] <wrst> but its not gentoo you aren't compiling junk all the time or anything but nothing much configures itself like ubuntu
[22:22] <wrst> it will also make you really appreciate ubuntu
[22:27] <chris4585> wrst, its uh, very easy to customize and bleeding edge
[22:27] <chris4585> bbl
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> sudo rm -rf /bin/laden
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> ^ made me laugh
[23:16] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: :)
[23:18] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it's the '/bin' part that clinches it for me
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> GTswagger: i could talk about using ubuntu to screen movies for monkeys ;)
[23:19] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: how are things going?
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: good ... i am working on a bug for this OsiriX software i use alot
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i've actually got a patch for it ... trying to convince the head honcho to commit it
[23:20] <wrst> hmm hope that is a good thing
[23:20] <wrst> oh that is good
[23:20] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the guy is trying to fix the bug himself - but i'm not certain he is able to reproduce it on his end ... he closed my original filing as 'Works for me'
[23:21] <pace_t_zulu> and a commit he made in the last few hours is actually quite a step backward
[23:21] <wrst> :/
[23:21] <pace_t_zulu> he calls malloc twice ... the first time he requests 1.5x the memory he needs allocated ... the second time with the correct amount of memory needed ...
[23:22] <pace_t_zulu> the problem is not with malloc
[23:22] <pace_t_zulu> and that commit did not fix the problem whatsoever ... though my patch does
[23:22] <pace_t_zulu> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=107249&atid=647131&file_id=412648&aid=3304138
[23:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ^ that's my patch
[23:24] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: all Greek to me
[23:24] <pace_t_zulu> my patch drops a for-loop ... which has very positive effects on performance
[23:24] <pace_t_zulu> and all that code is wrapped in a for-loop anyway
[23:24] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: Objective-C ;)
[23:24]  * wrst is not so cool as to be called a programmer :)
[23:25]  * pace_t_zulu looks forward to moving past the programmer job title