[12:01] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: hmm, I wonder if those w2k discs would help :o
[12:02] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: but you can copy files from NTFS to -> Linux if that helps
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> can i copy linux to ntfs
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> ?
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[12:02] <thenuke> umm nope, and that will not work with bootdisk :D
[12:03] <D0wnXcaST> i have to copy a file that i have here, on my NTFS partition
[12:03] <thenuke> winXP does not no how to play with linux
[12:03] <ryan> i missed half the conversation but...
[12:03] <thenuke> you need to do FAT -partition
[12:03] <ryan> doesn't the ntfs kernel module have experimental write support
[12:03] <thenuke> and then copy files from linux to FAT and from FAT to NTFS
[12:03] <D0wnXcaST> ok ! but with boot disk that would let me see my ntfs partition,i could do it
[12:03] <ryan> and there is an ext2fs driver at sf for windows
[12:04] <ryan> and a berkeley ffs driver for windows
[12:04] <D0wnXcaST> win98 works on FAT32 or ntfs?
[12:04] <ryan> the one of which i did use
[12:04] <ryan> heh
[12:04] <D0wnXcaST> i think i have a FAT partition, for my win 98 :) and my win xp is NTFS
[12:05] <D0wnXcaST> so could i do something ?:)
[12:07] <D0wnXcaST> i think i find a boot disk that support ntfs, that would be nice
[12:09] <D0wnXcaST> unable to mount selected drive ???? i cant access to my floppy on linux now??
[12:09] <dominic> its annoying when stuff like that happens
[12:09] <ryan> heh
[12:09] <ryan> reminds me of back when kernel 2.6 was still in betas and they took the floppy driver right out of the kernel
[12:10] <ryan> what a harrowing experience
[12:13] <caspar> Hia
[12:14] <caspar> hey can someone tell me where i can get Grub installer becose i installd windows after ubuntu and i need a reinstall of Grub (now using knoppix)
[12:14] <scizzo> caspar: that sounds like a weird thing to do...
[12:14] <caspar> i know
[12:15] <caspar> but i know it works
[12:15] <scizzo> yes
[12:15] <caspar> if i install grub in the mbr i know it should work
[12:15] <caspar> but where can i download it?
[12:15] <scizzo> caspar: couldn't you use the Live CD and install it from there?
[12:16] <caspar> from knopix or ubuntu?
[12:16] <scizzo> caspar: ubuntu
[12:16] <ironwolf> scizzo: caspar: you can't install from the liveCD
[12:16] <caspar> how then
[12:16] <ironwolf> scizzo: caspar: oh, grub on mbr... *feels stupid* yeah, can be done from liveCD
[12:17] <berceco> Hi
[12:18] <scizzo> caspar: look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[12:18] <scizzo> in a section there it mentions grub
[12:18] <scizzo> might work
[12:18] <caspar> ok
[12:18] <EfaistOs> deos someone can explain why my mic doesnt work with gnome-cd-recorder ? it says that /dev/dsp doesnt exist but udev didnt create it ... why ?
[12:18] <scizzo> caspar: but I am not sure
[12:19] <scizzo> EfaistOs: does it work in any other application?
[12:19] <EfaistOs> like ?
[12:20] <caspar> WHAT AM I DOING STUPID!!!
[12:20] <caspar> where is the istall file on ubuntu located?
[12:20] <caspar> becose i can install it from the hard disk then
[12:20] <DigiKill> anyone figured out how to mount HFS+ drives thru ubuntu?  do i need another program installed other than the base install i have?
[12:21] <EfaistOs> scizzo, someone just gave me this mic so i'm trying to use it ...
[12:21] <DigiKill> all my music is on a HFS+ drive :S
[12:21] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well...I am not sure what other app
[12:21] <EfaistOs> scizzo, and why there is no dev/dsp  ?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well maybe the mic is using another device?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: the application is looking for /dev/dsp but that might not be the device that the mic is using
[12:22] <EfaistOs> scizzo, which one in this case ?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: look in dmesg and /var/log/syslog
[12:23] <scizzo> EfaistOs: I am sorry but it can be anything..../dev/usb/ /dev/sound/ etc etc
[12:23] <scizzo> everything depends on the mic
[12:23] <caspar> sight
[12:23] <paulproteus> DigiKill: -t hfsplus should do it.
[12:23] <caspar> i found install but it needs dir
[12:24] <caspar> where should i do it?
[12:24] <DigiKill> paulproteus: mount -t hfsplus?
[12:24] <paulproteus> DigiKill: Right.
[12:25] <DigiKill> mount <hdb> -t hfsplus
[12:27] <caspar> how the *** mist i instlall it?
[12:28] <caspar> must*
[12:28] <scizzo> caspar: doesn't matter....win would still overwrite it if you install win after Linux
[12:28] <caspar> i know
[12:28] <occy> hmmm, Don't see fsck included in warty
[12:28] <scizzo> caspar: always install win before installing linux
[12:28] <caspar> but if i NOW install grub
[12:28] <caspar> i don't want to lose cofig
[12:28] <caspar> config
[12:29] <occy> don't see it in /bin or /sbin
[12:30] <scizzo> caspar: can't help you much sorry...
[12:30] <berceco> srry, caspar, wich is your problem ?
[12:30] <caspar> i only want to install grub. yes i can find the sbin and then the grub-install only the prob is it needs a dir
[12:30] <scizzo> EfaistOs: found anything in the logs that might help you?
[12:31] <Amaranth> heh, anyone else get a new X today in hoary and have it fail to start?
[12:31] <EfaistOs> nope
[12:31] <berceco> well, once i had that problem. I boot with a recovery cd, and then exec grub-install hd0, and it worked
[12:31] <berceco> xd
[12:31] <berceco> *or something like that
[12:31] <berceco> xd
[12:32] <caspar> thx
[12:32] <berceco> np, hope it helps xd
[12:32] <caspar> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system
[12:32] <caspar> :|
[12:33] <Amaranth> you need to remount it as rw
[12:33] <EfaistOs> scizzo, i've got this in messages
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:29:21 localhost usb.agent[8314] :      snd-usb-audio: already loaded
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 5
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usbaudio: unregister dsp 14,3
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usbaudio: unregister mixer 14,0
[12:33] <berceco> :S
[12:33] <EfaistOs> apparently it's usbaudio ...
[12:33] <DigiKill> paulproteus: no luck at the moment...but thanx..its givin me some insight...
[12:33] <DigiKill> dinnertime >.....yummmm
[12:33] <scizzo> EfaistOs: you have a webcam also?
[12:33] <caspar> what do i need to mount?
[12:33] <EfaistOs> yes
[12:33] <scizzo> EfaistOs: a webcam that handles sound?
[12:34] <EfaistOs> maybe i cant use it ...
[12:34] <EfaistOs> its the quickam communicate ... a new one ...
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: try to unplugg the cam...
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: and then unplugg the mic...and plug it in again
[12:34] <EfaistOs> it's unplugged
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: follow the log if when you plug the mic in
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:35] <caspar> ??
[12:35] <caspar> what is that berceco?
[12:35] <caspar> dcc chat?
[12:35] <caspar> if it is voice it is no good if i need port forwarding it is no good
[12:35] <berceco> k
[12:35] <berceco> hm
[12:36] <berceco> r u with a recovery cd ??
[12:36] <EfaistOs> scizzo, when i plug the mic ... nothing ... but when i plug the webcam it creates the /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp
[12:36] <caspar> i am whit knoppix cd
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: hmmm
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: I have no idea then
[12:37] <EfaistOs> scizzo, my volume manager applet doesnt raise the sound anymorr
[12:37] <EfaistOs> wait i'll come back
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: you need to unplugg the webcam to get the sound working again
[12:37] <crimsun> you should not be using usbaudio with snd-usb-audio simultaneously
[12:38] <scizzo> my cam overwrittes my volume manager
[12:38] <caspar> berceco how do i install grub from there becose it sais read-only file system if i do: grub-install hd0
[12:38] <EfaistOs> but then it remove /dev/dsp and /devmixer
[12:38] <EfaistOs> scizzo, what cam ?
[12:38] <crimsun> usbaudio should be blacklisted by default in ubuntu
[12:38] <berceco> how can i whisper u ?
[12:38] <caspar> donno
[12:39] <crimsun> /msg <nick> <something>
[12:39] <berceco> thx
[12:39] <berceco> xd
[12:43] <viktor_> I'm having problems with X.
[12:45] <viktor_> It started out as a problem with the nvidia drivers (version mismatch etc), but now it X says it can't load 'bitmap' and 'pcidata'.
[12:45] <viktor_> and oh, I'm running hoary..
[12:45] <viktor_> anyone got a clue?
[12:47] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[12:48] <XhyldazhK> i have seroius problems, no one of my apps recognizes carriage returns and tabs
[12:48] <XhyldazhK> when i run indent and do a cat over the resulting file, is displayed as totally unundented
[12:49] <crimsun> viktor_: are you running XFree86 or X.Org?
[12:50] <viktor_> xorg
[12:50] <XhyldazhK> crimsun, xfree86, but happens too in the virtual consoles
[12:50] <crimsun> viktor_: `X -version' confirms that?
[12:50] <EfaistOs> scizzo,
[12:51] <viktor_> crimsun: yes
[12:51] <EfaistOs> scizzo, i just rebooted ... because i couldn(t kill some processes and now my mic is working and the volume manager applet too ... i think it was due to a quickcam driver that i installed ...
[12:52] <viktor_> crimsun: you got any idea?
[12:53] <scizzo> EfaistOs: oo..ok
[12:53] <crimsun> viktor_: make sure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is properly configured
[12:53] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well...I don't know what causes that
[12:53] <EfaistOs> the module wasnt maybe good
[12:54] <viktor_> crimsun: is there anything special that I should think about.. It worked before the nvidia drivers were updated, but now I get the error i mentioned even when using the 'nv' driver...
[12:54] <crimsun> viktor_: compare your old /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:55] <crimsun> viktor_: you can use the former for the latter if you subsitute the 'kbd' driver (X.Org) for the 'keyboard' driver (XFree86)
[12:56] <viktor_> crimsun, but this error didn't come up when I upgraded from XFree to Xorg, but when I updated Xorg to latest version in hoary just now... maybe the maintainers are in the progress of upgrading packages for latest Xorg..
[12:57] <crimsun> viktor_: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[12:58] <scizzo> I have my nvidia card with GLX now.. :) *happy*
[12:58] <scizzo> Xorg that is
[12:59] <sbdot> what's with every linux distribution i've ever tried not working with the audio on my laptop
[12:59] <JStrike> Which version of automake to I need to use for most stuff?
[01:00] <crimsun> JStrike: for most? 1.4p6+
[01:00] <crimsun> JStrike: I use 1.9 for most things
[01:00] <crimsun> sbdot: what laptop?
[01:00] <JStrike> hrm. I have 1.9 installed and Mono still doesn't seem to recognise that I have it installed
[01:01] <crimsun> JStrike: automake --version
[01:01] <crimsun> look at the top line of the output
[01:02] <JStrike> crimsun : What do you mean?
[01:02] <crimsun> JStrike: if you want 1.9 by default, you need to manipulate alternatives or explicitly specify automake-1.9
[01:02] <JStrike> **Error**: You must have `automake' installed to compile Mono.
[01:02] <JStrike> Get ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/automake-1.3.tar.gz
[01:02] <JStrike> (or a newer version if it is available)
[01:02] <sbdot> crimsun: panasonic cf-45 toughbook. the way old one (yamaha yzf744 or something chip)
[01:03] <sbdot> same problem with redhat and later fedora.  linux and this laptop's sound are not friends.
[01:05] <viktor_> crimsun: http://dose.se/xorg.conf and http://dose.se/Xorg.0.log
[01:05] <scizzo> whats wrong with apt-get install automake-1.9 ?
[01:06] <scizzo> viktor_: I have the same card as you
[01:06] <scizzo> viktor_: I can show you my xorg.conf file if you want to
[01:07] <JStrike> scizzo : I have automake-1.9
[01:07] <viktor_> scizzo, ah, ok, and you're running hoary?
[01:07] <scizzo> viktor_: yes
[01:07] <scizzo> viktor_: http://ubuntu.scrappy.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[01:07] <viktor_> ok, great, i'll try.
[01:08] <gpled> does anyone know of a text base browser that comes with ubuntu?
[01:08] <crimsun> w3m
[01:08] <JStrike> gpled : No. But you can install lynx
[01:08] <crimsun> links
[01:09] <scizzo> gpled: apt-get install links
[01:09] <scizzo> :)
[01:09] <JStrike> I wonder why it doesn't detect that I have an automake installed. Maybe I need to restart
[01:09] <Amaranth> viktor_: I have that problem too.
[01:09] <Amaranth> It's because of the recent hoary upgrade, I guess.
[01:12] <shampoo> Hi
[01:12] <shampoo> anyone know how to get hotplug to load a ntfs usb drive ?
[01:12] <viktor_> Amaranth, okay
[01:13] <Amaranth> viktor_: I ended up hackishly installing xfree86
[01:13] <Amaranth> I wouldn't suggest it.
[01:13] <caspar> IT WORKS!!
[01:14] <caspar> and now mounting my xp :P
[01:14] <berceco> cool XD
[01:15] <viktor_> Amaranth, okay. I'll probably end up going to sleep. then waking up tomorrow, doing a dist-upgrade and live happily ever after...
[01:15] <Amaranth> lets hope so
[01:15] <Amaranth> tomorrow i need to fix xorg and get Win2k installed on my backup drive :/
[01:17] <caspar> now lets go to bed :P
[01:17] <caspar> bya all
[01:17] <njan> I've setup alsa in ubuntu, and it works with mpg123, but every time I use xmms or beep, they both claim that the soundcard's being blocked..
[01:17] <njan> ..anyone have any ideas or even what the best way to diagnose it would be? Never had this much trouble with alsa before..
[01:17] <intinig> Hello all
[01:18] <intinig> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and broke my hoary
[01:18] <intinig> Xor doesn't start anymore
[01:18] <intinig> s/Xor/Xorg
[01:18] <intinig> anyone else had this problem?
[01:18] <njan> intinig, yes, that happened to me; I think there was a python .deb which was breaking, I ended up gutting out hal-manager, a few python packages, and xorg, and reinstalling them all.
[01:19] <xevil> intinig unexpected things happen in unstable
[01:19] <njan> intinig, not sure if you're having the same problem, but play with apt-get at the command line and see what it's complaining about.
[01:19] <intinig> it doesn't complain about anything
[01:19] <intinig> everything went smooth
[01:19] <njan> intinig, :(
[01:19] <intinig> the python problem (it was python orbit if I remember correctly) happened yesterday
[01:20] <intinig> I fixed it somehow
[01:20] <njan> intinig, you have checked that your xorg.conf is still there, haven't you? :p
[01:20] <intinig> it's there and I even ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:20] <intinig> I can tell you what xorg complains about
[01:21] <intinig> Unable to load required base modules
[01:21] <squeegy> intinig: you fixed the weird python orbit stuff?
[01:21] <intinig> the modules it can't load are: bitmap and pcidata
[01:21] <intinig> squeegy yes
[01:21] <squeegy> intinig: do you remember how?
[01:21] <squeegy> :)
[01:21] <squeegy> i was messing around with it for awhile today
[01:21] <squeegy> but had no luck.
[01:21] <intinig> squeegy the fast way is this
[01:22] <intinig> queue all the python upgrades
[01:22] <intinig> then the installation will abort
[01:22] <Amaranth> i forced python2.4-pyorbit to install with dpkg -i --force-all /path/to/apt/store/python-package.deb
[01:22] <intinig> do apt-get remove python-orbit-2.4 (or what the package was)
[01:22] <intinig> and it will go smooth like the silk
[01:23] <intinig> Amaranth's way is fine too
[01:23] <Amaranth> it just wants to overwrite a file the 2.3 version is using
[01:23] <intinig> Amaranth exactely
[01:23] <mdke> hi there. I just got back from holiday and did a smart upgrade. had 363 packages to upgrade and it fails on the last one. Can someone help me out with why? http://www.pastebin.com/131112
[01:23] <intinig> now is anyone able to help me go back to gui? I like bitchx but it's so early linux days :)
[01:24] <squeegy> i think i screwed it up beyond that by removed both version of pyorbit
[01:24] <mdke> squeegy, so you wouldn't recommend that? ;)
[01:24] <intinig> squeegy do an apt-get install python-orbit (no version)
[01:24] <njan> running xmms from console, I get:
[01:24] <njan>  Attaching to mixer hw:0
[01:24] <njan> failed: Permission denied
[01:24] <gpled> i have a friend who has a newly installed ubuntu.  if he types host www.googl.com, he gets the ip.  if hey type lynx <ip> lynx works.  if he type lynx www.google.com, it does not work.
[01:24] <squeegy> intinig: no go. i think i have 2.4 installed now, but it still wants 2.3 or something
[01:25] <njan> and then, when I actually play a file, alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Permission denied
[01:25] <gpled> same thing is happening with firefox
[01:25] <gpled> any ideas?
[01:25] <mdke> squeegy, guess this will be figured out soon
[01:25] <intinig> gpled broken dns servers
[01:25] <gpled> intinig: in ubuntu, or isp?
[01:25] <squeegy> i think i broke it
[01:26] <intinig> gpled make him use different dns servers
[01:26] <intinig> so he can check
[01:26] <intinig> squeegy I broke xorg :(
[01:26] <gpled> dig and host work for him though
[01:26] <robertj> heya all. I installed ubuntu on a partition that used to have the windows bootloader on it
[01:26] <robertj> if I run fixmbr from the recovery console, then I won't have access to grub any more
[01:27] <robertj> any ideas?
[01:27] <gpled> shoudn't lynx and host, be using the same dns?
[01:28] <gpled> also, knoppix has no trouble
[01:28] <MobyTurbo> robertj, what are you trying to do?
[01:28] <robertj> Moby: have grub boot into windows
[01:28] <mdke> squeegy, i just looked at the "new packages in repository" list and there are like a million python packages in there. I guess this prob will get fixed soon
[01:28] <robertj> its on /dev/hda5 so I tried having grub boot to (0,4) with no luck
[01:29] <robertj> so I assume it's looking for some intermediate bootstrapping program that's not there?
[01:29] <squeegy> mdke: yeah i think i'm fixing it forcing stuff with dpkg
[01:29] <MobyTurbo> robertj, you need to use "chainloader +1" with windows.
[01:29] <mdke> squeegy, k
[01:29] <robertj> i think I did
[01:29] <mdke> nite all
[01:30] <MobyTurbo> robertj, check to make sure. also makeactive.
[01:30] <robertj> it does have both
[01:30] <robertj> root (hd0,4) \n makeactive \n chainloader +1
[01:30] <robertj> Unknown partition type 0x7 makeactive Error 12: INvalid device requested
[01:31] <MobyTurbo> robertj, have you checked the partition type with cfdisk?
[01:31] <robertj> yeah
[01:31] <robertj> its fat
[01:31] <robertj> actually ntfs
[01:31] <robertj> the old one was fat
[01:31] <njan> This is perverse
[01:31] <njan> alsa doesn't work
[01:31] <njan> using beep with the *esound* plugin *does* work
[01:32] <njan> but the volume is changable via the alsamixer..
[01:32] <robertj> oky, lets try this from another angle them
[01:32] <MobyTurbo> njan, what is alsa not working with?
[01:32] <njan> MobyTurbo, anything.
[01:32] <MobyTurbo> njan, try turning off the sound daemon.
[01:33] <intinig> did the xorg reinstallation and it still complains about module pcidata and module bitmap
[01:33] <intinig> any clue?
[01:33] <njan> james@anubis ~ $ xmms
[01:33] <njan> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1172:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
[01:33] <njan> ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy
[01:33] <njan> that's what I get out of xmms
[01:33] <njan> and I don't have any sound daemon running, MobyTurbo .. at least, not to the best of my knowledge. This is a practically vanilla hoary installation (albeit with a kernel I compiled)
[01:33] <squeegy> something is blocking your soundcard possibly
[01:33] <squeegy> njan: ps aux | grep esd
[01:33] <njan> squeegy, well, beep and mpg123 both work
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, you do have a sound daemon working in Ubuntu.
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, at least in Warty
[01:34] <njan> MobyTurbo, oh?
[01:34] <njan> hmm
[01:34] <squeegy> njan: run the command i just said
[01:34] <Zeitgueist> Hiya guys...would somebody be willing to help me out, getting my wireless card to work?
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, desktop preferences > sound, then turn off "enable sound server startup"
[01:34] <njan> squeegy, I jumped straight to the kill -9 stage and that fixed it ;)
[01:35] <njan> MobyTurbo, ty. Why's that enabled by default?
[01:35] <njan> that breaks half of the sound apps I've used..
[01:35] <squeegy> njan: you could tell xmms to play through esd as well...
[01:35] <njan> squeegy, it only has OSS and ALSA as options
[01:35] <MobyTurbo> njan, system sounds, like those drums etc, use the sound server. If you turn them off those won't work, but everything else does. ;-)
[01:35] <njan> MobyTurbo, gotcha.
[01:35] <njan> ah.. presumably that way, system sounds would still work if something else was outputting sound, so I guess that does make some sense.
[01:36] <njan> But it would also make sense to preconfigure xmms &c upstream to work with esd, but I guess that's why xmms is in multi/universe and not in the main repository.
[01:36] <njan> k, bbiaf
[01:37] <gpled> how can i see dhcp info in ubuntu?
[01:39] <Zeitgueist> would somebody be willing to help me out, getting my wireless card to work?
[01:40] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: YMMV but wireless is a real PITA to setup
[01:40] <squeegy> gpled: what type of dhcp info?
[01:40] <Zeitgueist> Squeegy:  Oh yes, I'm finding that out.  Doesn't help that I'm a total noob with Linux
[01:40] <gpled> squeegy: all the info the system was able to pull from dhcp server.
[01:41] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: well i've been using linux for a number of years and haven't had much luck with wireless, it's not something exteremely easy
[01:41] <squeegy> gpled: you mean what ip address and whatnot?
[01:42] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: make sure you have a card that is supported before you waste your time
[01:42] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: find out what chipset your model uses and see if thats compatable
[01:42] <Zeitgueist> already done that...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35573&posted=1#post35573
[01:42] <gpled> squeegy: default route, dns, dhcp server, ...
[01:43] <Zeitgueist> Squeegy:it's prism 2.5 so in theory it should be compatible
[01:44] <gpled> Zeitgueist: i would boot from knoppix, to see what modules you need to load, the modprob them in.
[01:45] <squeegy> i doubt knoppix will autodetect the wireless
[01:45] <squeegy> you might have some luck, but it is honestly doubtful
[01:46] <njan> Zeitgueist, if it's prism2.5, you either need the drivers from linux-wlan-ng or the ones in the linux kernel.
[01:46] <njan> s/linux-wlan-ng/pcmcia-cs/
[01:46] <njan> I've had more luck with those than the hostap ones
[01:46] <njan> and the pcmcia-cs ones are rfmon-enabled, whereas the modules in the kernel aren't.
[01:47] <njan> not quite sure how it works in ubuntu, because I've been using wlan in gentoo for a while, but you want one of those packages or the other
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> well Dlink's site refers me to ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> so apparently those are the drivers to use
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> but I'm clueless as to which one I need
[01:49] <njan> linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards
[01:49] <Zeitgueist> they don't seem to correspond with my linux kernal version
[01:49] <njan> I have them through apt
[01:49] <Zeitgueist> kernel even
[01:49] <njan> yeah, they're in universe.
[01:49] <njan> if you apt-get install them, pcmcia-cs should pick them up and modprobe the right thing when you insert the card..
[01:50] <Zeitgueist> its not a laptop unless I'm confused as to your meaning on PCMCIA
[01:50] <njan> oh.. gotcha
[01:51] <njan> ok, well, in that case, if you apt-get install linux-wlan-ng and then find the right module to load, you can just add that to the modules you load at startup
[01:51] <Zeitgueist> desktop wireless card...and I dont want to move to get within cable distance of my router
[01:51] <Zeitgueist> hmm
[01:51] <noam> hello, I've just upgraded to the hoady tree and it seems to have problems
[01:51] <njan> it should be prism2_pci, I think
[01:52] <melazyboy> noam: ... if it was without problems it woulden't be in development
[01:52] <noam> when I write "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" it returns "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format"
[01:52] <Zeitgueist> njan: so you're saying the easiest way would be to physically connect it through wired access...run the update program
[01:52] <njan> Oh, it isn't connected now..
[01:52] <fajmoh> how do I get xv to ubuntu
[01:53] <fajmoh> apt-cache search xv gives nothing
[01:53] <njan> Zeitgueist, have you just installed it off the warty cd?
[01:53] <melazyboy> noam: you might have to rebuild the module or the kernel
[01:53] <Zeitgueist> njan:  Yes, it's pretty much a fresh install
[01:54] <noam> I've tried that
[01:54] <Zeitgueist> njan: my first linux install, so basically I'm the worst kind of fresh off of windows noob
[01:54] <noam> (the module, I mean)
[01:54] <loststryk> hello noam
[01:55] <noam> just a second, i'm going to try something
[01:55] <njan> hi there, loststryk ;)
[01:55] <loststryk> njan :)
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, well, your options are basically restricted to running around with floppy disks / cdrs with deb files on them or plugging the machine in temporarily..
[01:56] <melazyboy> noam are you building it from kernel sources or ndis sources?
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, needless to say, I think plugging it in is the swiftest thing to do.
[01:56] <loststryk> got k3b working nicely :)
[01:56] <njan> loststryk, cool.. you should be using xcdroast, though :p
[01:56] <Zeitgueist> njan:  looks like I'm gonna do that...thanks for the help
[01:56] <loststryk> why ?
[01:56] <loststryk> i like k3b :)
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, yvw. I'm tripping over myself slightly, because I've just come from gentoo; I might be a little less verbose next time ;)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, I don't like qt/kde apps :p
[01:57] <joshua__> loststryk, hes a gnome nazi
[01:57] <njan> joshua__, ;)
[01:57] <loststryk> am really liking this distro
[01:57] <bitserf> also, be patient, hoary guys. i think a fair number of core devs are on the plane right now :)
[01:57] <loststryk> thanks njan :)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, yvw. :)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, I'm glad that I suggested the right thing to you :p
[01:57] <Zeitgueist> njan: I've been thinking of just doing a gentoo level one install, just so I have to force myself to learn some basic Linux
[01:57] <loststryk> however i still need secure connections via ftp ;/
[01:58] <yopertunity> I would like it if it didn't disable root
[01:58] <njan> Zeitgueist, :).. I've been using gentoo for ~18 months.. but it's a lot of hassle maintaining, which is finally the thing which has made me drop it for my primary desktop.
[01:58] <scizzo> viktor_: still there?
[01:58] <yopertunity> njan: I did the same thing
[01:58] <njan> Zeitgueist, the community is the best, the package management is fantastic, their original development is incredible.. they have a fantastic hardened computing team in particular, and the upstream packaging is really really really good.
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, and whatever anyone else tells you, my laptop was about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo with gnome 2.8 than it is today running ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[01:59] <Zeitgueist> yeah I've been told that gentoo is insanely fast
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, it's just the maintainence which finally got me. I work 7 days a week and I *need* my laptop to work, and for both of those reasons, I need a laptop which 'just works', and ubuntu fits in there
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, not insanely. Noticably fast would be more correct ;)
[01:59] <dj-death> Hi all
[01:59] <njan> yopertunity, there's somewhat of a mass exodus from gentoo -> ubuntu, it seems.
[02:00] <melazyboy> njan: Thats fucking bull shit...
[02:00] <loststryk> njan any further thoughts on secure ftp clients that can do auth tls ?
[02:00] <dj-death> has someone tried to install xorg on debian from ubuntu pkgs here ?
[02:00] <njan> yopertunity, I know a significant number of IT pros who've moved from gentoo to ubuntu in the last few months
[02:00] <njan> melazyboy, if you want to actually disagree with me on something, you're welcome to do so, and I'll tell you why I think you're wrong :)
[02:01] <yopertunity> njan: how does kde run on ubuntu?
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, haven't tried it.
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, I'm not a kde fan at the best of times ;)
[02:01] <yopertunity> njan: I just hate gnome though---lol
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, I'm the same with kde :p
[02:02] <squeegy> your <insert favorite desktop enviroment here> sucks
[02:02] <squeegy> :)
[02:02] <occy> Buffer I/O error, dev hda, sector 8      <-- sounds bad huh?
[02:02] <njan> yopertunity, mepis is debian-based and kde-centric, you might look at mepis. The nasty downside to mepis, as I discovered this morning, is that the community is significantly smaller than ubuntu and from what I can make out, they don't release a lot of their code, scripts, etc, as Open Source.
[02:02] <yopertunity> njan: squeegy: ahhh yes, but type a research paper w/o one
[02:02] <melazyboy> njan: Because your making a rediciolus claim that gentoo is 140% faster, when in reality typical gentoo optimizations only make a 5-15% difference.
[02:02] <njan> yopertunity, that last part is 'I heard it in #mepis', though, I don't know to waht extent it's true.
[02:02] <squeegy> yopertunity: you don't get it.
[02:03] <njan> melazyboy, you're making a ridiculous (and badly spelt) claim based on the premise 'when in reality.. ' which is just as asserted as the point I made.
[02:03] <loststryk> no unrar ?
[02:03] <kX> hey google :)  http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[02:03] <yopertunity> squeegy: and why is that?
[02:03] <squeegy> yopertunity: it was humor
[02:03] <squeegy> nto meant to bash de's.
[02:04] <melazyboy> ... show some numbers to back up your subjective claim of 140%...
[02:04] <njan> melazyboy, your 'reality' aside, I have personally experienced, as someone who works in IT, in a high-availability environment in which I use my laptop, that my laptop is significantly faster in gentoo than it has been today in ubuntu, under similar load. If you want to disagree with me, you're welcome to, but as was indicated by my experiental assertion, this is based on experience, and nothing else.
[02:04] <yopertunity> squeegy: sorry, I just see posts all the time where people say CLI only!
[02:04] <njan> melazyboy, I have neither the time nor interest in putting any numbers together.
[02:05] <squeegy> yopertunity: no, i was just saying that everyone thinks everyone elses favorite de sucks and vice versa
[02:05] <squeegy> i could care less personally, i've used gnome and kde, and nealry every window manager known to man
[02:05] <yopertunity> squeegy: oh yeah! well yours sux worsesest!
[02:05] <squeegy> !!!! :)
[02:05] <njan> melazyboy, gnome is more responsive, tab completion is faster, and I can have more open without my DE freezing for a few microseconds each time I switch Virtual Desktop, and as far as I can tell, there's a ~40% difference as far as my productivity is concerned, even if the *precise* response times aren't that great.
[02:06] <yopertunity> squeegy: I prefer commodore64
[02:06] <melazyboy> njan: You show your experince by making a claim that is not possible, gentoo is faster because it's compiled using specialized optimizations, those can be quantified, and the number doesn't even come close to 140%
[02:06] <squeegy> i like windowsME a lot personally
[02:06] <squeegy> best version of an OS to ever exist
[02:06] <loststryk> does anyone know of any ftp client that can connect to ftp servers that require auth tls ?
[02:06] <squeegy> :)
[02:06] <njan> melazyboy, bear in mind also that whilst a specific package might only be 10% faster with speed optimisations, the average linux desktop is a layered environment in which unoptimised software is running in an unoptimised desktop environment in an unoptimised xserver, on an unoptimised kernel.
[02:07] <njan> melazyboy, so 'speed', which is an ambiguous term, refers to the speed increase over *all four layers*.
[02:07] <loststryk> squeegy, you should do comedy for a living =op
[02:07] <squeegy> heh
[02:07] <njan> melazyboy, so what you're basically saying is that what I've said is, what I've asserted isn't possible because it's a claim which isn't possible, based on nebulous 'quantitative' figures which you haven't supplied either :)
[02:07] <joshua__> loststryk, squeegy: i sense sarcasm in your comments... whats bad about windowsME?
[02:08] <yopertunity> squeegy: they didnt even bother to date it because they knew it sucked sooo bad
[02:08] <njan> melazyboy, it's disagreeable people like you who give linux communities bad names :)
[02:08] <loststryk> sense ? was dripping wasn;t it >?
[02:08] <joshua__> loststryk, squeegy: i mean, it is a windows for ME
[02:08] <squeegy> njan: don't feed the trolls
[02:08] <DigiKill> ehlo again...
[02:08] <joshua__> squeegy, what do trolls eat?
[02:08] <njan> squeegy, :).. it's late, and I'm exercising a little less self-restraint than I usually would ;)
[02:09] <njan> joshua__, anyone else's opinions they don't like.
[02:09] <squeegy> hehe
[02:09] <joshua__> njan: not a very diversified diet
[02:09] <njan> joshua__, that's why they're so grumpy :)
[02:09] <melazyboy> thats fine -- run a benchmark oh smart pretentious IT prick. or google for compile time optimizations and see the speed comparisons
[02:09] <yopertunity> ok, just finished the ubuntu install on the desktop, step 1--- get rid of the doo doo brown :)
[02:09] <joshua__> njan, i see
[02:09] <loststryk> njan whats that type of msuic you like ? the matrix type one ?
[02:09] <njan> loststryk, huh?
[02:09] <loststryk> the one that makes you type 100+ words a minute
[02:09] <yopertunity> melazyboy: you were molested as a child werent you?
[02:09] <squeegy> melazyboy: you're a fool if you're talking about compiler optimizations making that big of a difference
[02:10] <njan> melazyboy, as I said before, I have no interest in benchmarking it, and as I also said before, the situation is more complicated than you're assuming. I suggest you go back and read what I said ;)
[02:10] <loststryk> infectious ,ushroom, what genre
[02:10] <squeegy> melazyboy: check out www.funroll-loops.org
[02:10] <melazyboy> squeegy: I'm not Njan claims Gentoo is 140% faster than Ubuntu.
[02:10] <squeegy> oh
[02:10] <njan> melazyboy, that's not what I said at all.
[02:10] <njan> my laptop was about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo with gnome 2.8 than it is today running ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[02:10] <njan> that's what I said.
[02:10] <melazyboy> squeegy: Im argueing that the difference pales to that figure.
[02:10] <crimsun> melazyboy: no need to take offense at a purely subjective claim. Let him claim what he feels. That doesn't make it invalid.
[02:11] <squeegy> compiler optimizations when used improperly cause slower code in many cases
[02:11] <njan> I didn't make any assertions specifically about gentoo, I only made reference to *my* laptop.
[02:11] <DigiKill> question on this Synaptic Package installer....how "reliable" is it, or am i better of doin packages by hand?
[02:11] <melazyboy> my laptop was
[02:11] <squeegy> and most gentoo kids don't have a clue what they're doing with CFLAGS
[02:11] <melazyboy>               about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo
[02:11] <njan> if you're extending that to 'gentoo is 140% faster than $otherdistro', then you're a fool.
[02:11] <crimsun> DigiKill: quite reliable
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: it's reliable
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: although i prefer using apt-get from the command line
[02:11] <DigiKill> crimsun: ty ....it looks like a nice setup too
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: it's all your personal opinion though
[02:11] <DigiKill> i think even my parents <who know NOTHING> could use it
[02:12] <crimsun> it's very nice. I'm an apt-get(8) person, but Synaptic is very, very enticing.
[02:12] <njan> melazyboy, it was an occasional sentence. You wouldn't extrapolate 'this scottish man is drunk' to infer that all scottish men are drunk.  BECAUSE COMPILE TIME OPTIMIZATIONS CAN NOT EQUATE TO 140% <-- now drop it douche.
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, I'm a darjeeling person myself. I've been known to drink green tea on occasion, though.
[02:14] <joshua__> njan, hmm... you know what else is good, thai iced coffee
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, really? I've never had it..
[02:14] <DigiKill> anyone got any CHAI?
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, I live in a cold country, somehow cold drinks which aren't carbonated just don't seem appealing ;)
[02:14] <DigiKill> i'd be down for some of that
[02:14] <melazyboy> njan: I never said anything about assuming, or you assuming, i said you stated, which you did, that gentoo was 140% faster on your laptop, which it isn't.
[02:15] <joshua__> njan, oh... well you should try it anyways
[02:15] <melazyboy> or wasn't.
[02:15] <dani> aalguien de espaa?
[02:15] <Tomcat_> We had an install party the last 12 hours...
[02:15] <Tomcat_> Nobody wanted Ubuntu. :-(
[02:16] <Xenguy> Tomcat_: their bad
[02:16] <joshua__> Tomcat_, i was about to say it sounds like fun... but after that addition thats no fun at all
[02:16] <loststryk> i'd have asked them to leave
[02:16] <Tomcat_> Yeah, and seeing the problems with Debian in the end, we should've only allowed Ubuntu.
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, what did they like instead?
[02:16] <joshua__> Tomcat_, i would have stolen all their hard disks and installed them myself ;-)
[02:16] <Tomcat_> Well setting up Debian is fun... but you need to do so much to get the same functionality Ubuntu has out of the box... :I
[02:17] <DigiKill> agreed Tomcat_
[02:17] <loststryk> Tomcat_, did you try the debian sarge release ?
[02:17] <Tomcat_> MobyTurbo: Debian... nothing else. I think the guy who presented the distros said too much about Debian.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> loststryk: Yeah, only sarge.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> joshua__: ev0l :D
[02:17] <DigiKill> noone wanted Mandy? or SuSE?  wow!
[02:17] <njan> joshua__, shall do.  Ubuntu took less than 30 minutes to install/config
[02:18] <Tomcat_> Fedora was another option.
[02:18] <joshua__> njan, no clue...
[02:18] <njan> joshua__, bah :p
[02:18] <DigiKill> lol Tomcat_
[02:18] <DigiKill> FC3?  wow...
[02:18] <Tomcat_> MobyTurbo: We're mostly Debian geeks @ university, so that was the choice.
[02:18] <dani> aalguien de espaa?
[02:18] <Tomcat_> loststryk: It's not like I chose that. :P
[02:18] <njan> loststryk, ignore is fantastic :p
[02:18] <joshua__> njan, ill have to ask next time i go
[02:18] <DigiKill> i'd put ubuntu on rather than FC33 anyday
[02:18] <DigiKill> *FC3
[02:18] <Tomcat_> Yeah, same here.    OS 9/OS X/Ubuntu
[02:20] <Tomcat_> all options of map, rootnoverify, chainloader, makeactive... whatever.
[02:20] <joshua__> DigiKill, not true, not many in the windows community realized how crappy WinME was... im sure the percentage of people who realized how bad FC2 was is much greater
[02:20] <loststryk> if i can ever get my ftp problem sorted, i'll never go back to windows
[02:20] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, there's a howto somewhere on loading Linux via NT's loader.
[02:20] <Tomcat_> Finally we tried it the other way around... load WinXP boot loader and then run Linux from there.
[02:20] <fester420> load failsafe options
[02:20] <Tomcat_> Still WinXP didn't want to boot.
[02:20] <njan> MobyTurbo, the thought of that just makes me feel dirty, somehow :p
[02:20] <joshua__> DigiKill, so therefore MS didn't have to hide their faces
[02:20] <DigiKill> im outta here....i Robot is startin
[02:21] <joshua__> DigiKill, go for it
[02:21] <DigiKill> bbl...
[02:21] <joshua__> DigiKill, although i think someone would have hacked the robots to kill people, but ok
[02:21] <loststryk> sleep time
[02:21] <loststryk> njan ; night
[02:21] <loststryk> night all
[02:21] <Tomcat_> Well MobyTurbo, didn't work out because WinXP boot loader wouldn't even load WinXP. :)
[02:21] <Tomcat_> In the end we restored the backup...
[02:21] <njan> take care, loststryk
[02:21] <Tomcat_> :(
[02:21] <Tomcat_> She'll probably never try Linux again.
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> if I did dual-boot I'd do it between Linux and BSD.
[02:22] <fester420> i want to try solaris 10
[02:22] <fester420> i heard good shit about it
[02:22] <joshua__> I dual boot between hoary and warty
[02:22] <loststryk> actually me is off to watch invasion of the body snatchers on bbc2
[02:22] <loststryk> :):):):):):)
[02:22] <Tomcat_> I learned a few things about my system too... Ubuntu does have Framebuffer out of the box... :P
[02:22] <Tomcat_> And "hotkeys" is way better than using shortcuts in Gnome.
[02:23] <joshua__> ok, question if im using acclerated drivers on a 9700 pro what FPS should i get in glxgears
[02:24] <fester420> like 1000
[02:24] <fester420> fps
[02:24] <joshua__> fester420, really? because i get 2200+ and AA runs really shitty
[02:24] <fester420> did you get 3d drivers for it
[02:24] <joshua__> fester420, like i said, accelerated drivers
[02:25] <fester420> wow i got a shitty nvida card and i get 850 fps
[02:25] <fester420> is that an ati card
[02:25] <joshua__> yea
[02:26] <fester420> ati cards dont like ubuntu
[02:26] <joshua__> no, linux distros dont like ati
[02:26] <njan> no, ati don't like linux
[02:26] <fester420> i used to have a radion pro 9700
[02:26] <njan> :)
[02:26] <fester420> and linux fried it
[02:26] <scizzo> ati is nice
[02:27] <melazyboy> joshua__: Are you using xorg?
[02:27] <joshua__> melazyboy, no, im in warty
[02:27] <fester420> iam in suse 9.2
[02:27] <fester420> suse 9.2 works really well with ati based cards
[02:27] <joshua__> melazyboy, but i get really horrible FPS in AA even with all the textures on super low and at the lowest possible resolution
[02:27] <scizzo> fester420: I am using ati in my laptop and ubuntu....I have had no problem with it
[02:28] <djuuss> not as good as y0per does with nvidia
[02:28] <fester420> well sometimes it works sometimes it dosent
[02:29] <melazyboy> joshua__: 2200 isn't horrible fps for an ATI card, just stick with XFree86, your card isn't supported yet with Hoary
[02:29] <djuuss> like i said
[02:29] <fester420> joshua__, do glxgears and tell me what type of fps you are getting\
[02:29] <joshua__> fester420, 2600+
[02:29] <djuuss> joshua__: ey, you back? fixed your xconfig have you ?
[02:29] <joshua__> djuuss, nah... i just play off my lcd
[02:30] <joshua__> fester420, going up to 2800+
[02:30] <djuuss> so the crt is still a bitch rite?
[02:30] <fester420> thats good
[02:30] <joshua__> djuuss, yea, dont matter anyways
[02:30] <fester420> for ati
[02:30] <dosia> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[02:30] <fester420> you should have no problems
[02:30] <joshua__> fester420, but AA runs crappy with the lowest quailty tex's and at the lowest possible screen res
[02:31] <melazyboy> joshua__: Glxgears isn't really a benchmarking utility, if you get over 1k fps, then you have hardware acceleration, thats all it was ever really ment to test. And with the ATI card because the driver isn't open source, there isn't much you can do about it, simply said its working above 1kfps, so its working, you can make sure you don't have conflicting modules running, ie no 'ati', you should just have 'fglrx'
[02:31] <joshua__> fester420, and AA isn't based on a good engine
[02:31] <djuuss> joshua__: i'm sorry, i'm drunk, but why not try to get the sax2 rpm from suse and "alien" it to a .deb??
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know of a good app for creating media labels?  (DVD covers, cd labels, etc, etc)
[02:35] <CraHan> worked fine before the update though
[02:35] <djuuss> just use k3b
[02:35] <fester420> xcdroast
[02:35] <melazyboy> djuuss: not sure i don't have an nvidia card, if your question is how do you auto-modprobe, there is a /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modules
[02:36] <joshua__> melazyboy, any clue?
[02:36] <djuuss> melazboy: k great, more config editing,
[02:36] <crimsun> well, I'll find out real quick, CraHan
[02:36] <bitserf> HelloWorld: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[02:37] <HelloWorld> sorry, wrong button :)
[02:37] <CraHan> thanks crimsun
[02:37] <bitserf> hello: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[02:37] <joshua__> bad djuuss
[02:37] <fester420> i got limewire
[02:37] <fester420> on both my linux os's
[02:38] <djuuss> joshua__: bite me
[02:38] <melazyboy> joshua__: 2k fps, really isn't that shabby for a ATI 9600-9800 there windows drivers are sub par, and their linux drivers are even worse than their windows drivers -- sorry thats all i can tell you, i upgraded to hoary and haven't had 3d acceleration since. i wasn't aware of the incompatability between xorg/fglrx, needless to say i don't think there will be a fix, i think ati will eventually make the buisness move to drop linux supp
[02:38] <joshua__> djuuss, im just kidding...
[02:38] <crimsun> CraHan: ok, maybe not real quick.  (DVD covers, cd labels, etc, etc)
[02:41] <frogbert> Yeah I'm trying to avoid that
[02:41] <fester420> i agree
[02:41] <djuuss> cdparanoia?
[02:41] <fester420> u can get xcdroast
[02:41] <fester420> as a tar.gz file
[02:41] <djuuss> wouldnt advise it
[02:41] <djuuss> dpkg wont know you installed xcdroast
[02:41] <frogbert> Compiling isn't a problem, but I don't want some kde crap in my gnome desktop.
[02:42] <fester420> you can
[02:42] <djuuss> apt-get install xcdroast k3b cdparanoia
[02:42] <fester420> you need the dependices
[02:42] <djuuss> frogbert: it wont "invade" gnome, its just used to draw the windows in k3b
[02:42] <fester420> for it you need some lib files
[02:42] <frogbert> djuuss, Yeah but the UI doesn't gell
[02:43] <djuuss> frogbert: not yet it doesn't..
[02:43] <socomm> Hello how do I change apaches default dir from /var/www/apache2-default to something else.
[02:43] <frogbert> I'll figure something out later
[02:43] <djuuss> frogbert: thats why it gets the kde libs
[02:43] <zenwhen> frogbert, theres no gnome equivelent app
[02:43] <djuuss> true that
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Has Hoary stabalized any the last few weeks ;0
[02:43] <CraHan> erhm
[02:43] <frogbert> I'd bitch and complain but then I'd be compaining about something free
[02:43] <CraHan> yeah, until today :)
[02:43] <socomm> LinuxJones: No.
[02:44] <djuuss> go with xcdroast, stick to command line, or suffer the k3b consequences
[02:44] <CraHan> borked x.org for me
[02:44] <fester420> i cant figure out how to burn iso's
[02:44] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:44] <frogbert> I should write somthing
[02:44] <socomm> fester420: man cdrecord
[02:44] <djuuss> good point socom
[02:44] <frogbert> Anyway is there a way to access my modem?
[02:44] <djuuss> depends on the modem :)
[02:44] <fester420> iam about to burn my windows partition off
[02:44] <frogbert> Lol yes, its a winmodem
[02:44] <zenwhen> fester420, right click the ISO and choose to burn it to a disc?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> fester420, burning cdroms didn't work for me like 3 weeks ago with Hoary :D
[02:44] <djuuss> aye
[02:45] <zenwhen> oh
[02:45] <zenwhen> hoary?
[02:45] <zenwhen> lol
[02:45] <djuuss> no *positive* experience wit hwinmodems
[02:45] <djuuss> i'm still at warty
[02:45] <frogbert> I've had them work but that was with those crippled 28.8 modem drivers in Mandrake
[02:45] <djuuss> complain all you want, but its not as old as woody :)
[02:45] <fester420> iam about to install fuckin fd3
[02:45] <socomm> fd3?
[02:45] <djuuss> hmm
[02:45] <fester420> omg i have a 3.0 mp/s internet connection
[02:45] <crimsun> guessing fc3
[02:46] <socomm> You mean FCe?
[02:46] <djuuss> going to bed
[02:46] <fester420> whoops
[02:46] <frogbert> LT Winmodem... it seems to know its there
[02:46] <socomm> s/FCe/FC3
[02:46] <frogbert> is there a dial program?
[02:46] <djuuss> i love this country, alcohol for 16 and up
[02:46] <fester420> dialup and linux sounds like it sucks
[02:46] <zenwhen> um
[02:46] <crimsun> fester420: works fine
[02:46] <zenwhen> it sucks as bad as your modem
[02:46] <gunnzi> #gentoo
[02:47] <frogbert> djuuss, Since when isn't it 16? Or less?
[02:47] <zenwhen> USR hardware modem or bust
[02:47] <djuuss> i'm from *holland*
[02:47] <djuuss> you know..
[02:47] <frogbert> Its a laptop I can't just rip it out and put a new one in
[02:47] <socomm> So anyone know how to configure apache?
[02:47] <frogbert> yes actually
[02:47] <zenwhen> frogbert, have a serial port?
[02:48] <djuuss> guys, i'm out
[02:48] <frogbert> yeah but no external modem worth mentioning
[02:48] <djuuss> good luck
[02:48] <djuuss> cya tomorrow
[02:48] <frogbert> socomm, ubuntuguide.org/
[02:49] <socomm> frogbert: Thanks.
[02:51] <socomm> Errm I just want to change apaches root directory.
[02:51] <socomm> Seems as if debian changed httpd.conf to apache2.conf
[02:51] <CraHan> so do I  need to set a path to where X.org looks for its modules?
[02:51] <CraHan> cause I have libpcidata.a
[02:52] <CraHan> in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/
[02:52] <CraHan> but X.org complains on startup that it can't find it
[02:53] <wazoo> Hello all. Using live cd, I cannot get a printer -- which is recognized, and offers a driver -- to print! Is this unique to the cd?
[02:54] <frogbert> What printer?
[02:54] <wazoo> hp laserjet 6l
[02:54] <frogbert> Mine works
[02:55] <frogbert> Is it plugged into the USB port of LPT
[02:55] <bitserf> the problem with X not working in hoary currently seems to be some module loader changes in -ubuntu7 of Xorg
[02:55] <wazoo> did I skip a step? I clicked on new printer, the printer was correctly identified, I clicked "apply" and tried to print a test page. Nothing.
[02:55] <wazoo> lpq shows nothing, also.
[02:55] <bitserf> i'll drop the patch and see if i can rebuild it, if successful, i'll let you know :)
[02:56] <lexhider> I don't have a lwn subscription, anyone point me to other information on tech details on what went down at the latest conference.
[02:57] <frogbert> Perhaps print from gedit
[03:00] <wazoo> frogbert, tried that too -- and it was listed as an option. I had the same trouble at work with Ubuntu -- different printer (also hp), same problem. Whether hpijs or ljet4.
[03:00] <lexhider> bitserf: I was about to upgrade to hoary, should I wait a few days?
[03:00] <frogbert> Anyone know how to get hotplugable disk drives to work?
[03:00] <frogbert> wazoo, I don't really know then.
[03:02] <wazoo> frogbert. thanks. I can't find anything on google the problem. maybe it's an hp thing? ah well.
[03:03] <gpled> wow, got the strange browser dns problem solved
[03:03] <lexhider> frogbert: what specifically are you trying to connect?
[03:05] <gpled> and, i learned more about ubuntu :)
[03:05] <K-otiK> does anyoen know how i could copy an ISO onto my hd?
[03:05] <frogbert> lexhider, I have a laptop with hotswapable drive bays
[03:06] <fester420> off a cd
[03:07] <lexhider> frogbert: sorry I don't have any experience with that stuff, I have had succesw with flash drives and even an ipod through firewire just last night.
[03:07] <fester420> some reason ubuntu dint like my laptop the battry moniter never worked
[03:08] <miausX> hi!
[03:08] <|QuaD-> anyone try out the new trillian? some features are pretty cool, wish gaim had them
[03:09] <Gnobody> alsa is messed up
[03:09] <fester420> eek trilion pisses me off
[03:09] <|QuaD-> fester420: why?
[03:10] <K-otiK> in ubuntu, how can i unistall programs i installed using apt-get?
[03:10] <miausX> |QuaD, oh, I tried trillian on my windoze machine... it ROCKS :D
[03:10] <fester420> iam using suse right now and the sound server for it only allows one sound at a time
[03:10] <miausX> K-otiK, apt-get --purge remove blah
[03:10] <fester420> and when othe sounds play suse gets mad
[03:10] <K-otiK> thanks miausX
[03:10] <|QuaD-> if they released trillian for linux, that would be the only piece of non-OSS i would put on
[03:10] <miausX> anybody knows txt2tags?
[03:11] <miausX> |QuaD, yeah me too... I hate gaim :P
[03:11] <|QuaD-> it is far better then gaim in my opinion
[03:11] <miausX> K-otiK, no prob ;)
[03:11] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like its features... but it still lacks a lot
[03:11] <miausX> |QuaD, yep... and I love the trillian interface :)
[03:12] <|QuaD-> yeah... but after reading trillian developers slashdot comments, i doubt it is coming anytime soon, or anytime for that matter
[03:12] <miausX> PLEASE, take a look at this --> http://txt2tags.sourceforge.net (and NEVER install the Ubuntu's/Debian version of txt2tags) :D
[03:12] <miausX> |QuaD :(
[03:12] <crimsun> CraHan: it's related to the dlopen changes
[03:12] <|QuaD-> miausX: i don't even care if it is opensource or not!!!
[03:12] <miausX> lol
[03:13] <crimsun> CraHan: it will have to be resolved in the next upload, -8
[03:13] <miausX> |QuaD me neither... I use Opera as my default browser, and yes, I bought it :)
[03:13] <|QuaD-> miausX: u don't like ff?
[03:13] <CraHan> crimsun: ok thanks!
[03:13] <CraHan> cd
[03:13] <CraHan> oops
[03:13] <miausX> |QuaD yep, firefox it's a VERY good browser, but... Opera is Opera ;)
[03:13] <bitserf> crimsun: do you know if the modules are supposed to be built as .so? thats what the code change seems to imply, but the matching modules on the filesystem are .a
[03:13] <K-otiK> does anyone have nmap installed on their ubuntu box?
[03:14] <miausX> fast like a missile :)
[03:14] <lukins> anyone able to compile kernel with make gconfig?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> interesting. I ysed to use Opera, but I find I prefer Firefox now
[03:14] <|QuaD-> miausX: never used opera
[03:14] <thoreauputic> *used to
[03:14] <|QuaD-> what makes it nice?
[03:15] <crimsun> bitserf: I think daniels and/or fabbione are better-posed to answer that question
[03:15] <miausX> |QuaD I love the Opera "prefereces" menu... the firefox preferences menu is a bit short :)
[03:15] <|QuaD-> heh
[03:15] <miausX> hehehe
[03:16] <K-otiK> nobody uses nmap?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> miausX: it's a different philosophy - to get extras in firefox you install the extensions
[03:16] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: i do
[03:16] <miausX> thoreauputic, yep :)
[03:17] <K-otiK> |QuaD- is your giving you crap like: sendto in send_tcp_raw: sendto(3, packet, 40, 0, <IP_ADDRESS>, 16) => Operation not permitted
[03:17] <K-otiK> ?
[03:17] <K-otiK> cus nmap on my box isnt' working at all
[03:17] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: nope
[03:17] <lukins> whats nmap?
[03:17] <K-otiK> the best damn port scanner ever
[03:17] <miausX> K-otiK, are you running nmap with sudo? are you behind a firewall?
[03:18] <K-otiK> im in the terminal as root, and i am not running a firewall right now
[03:18] <miausX> hum
[03:18] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: try the x windows nmap
[03:18] <|QuaD-> i think nmap-fe
[03:18] <|QuaD-> its sometimes easier
[03:18] <|QuaD-> stops you from making config mistakes
[03:19] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: umm.. you are IRC ing as root without a firewall? Are you nuts?
[03:19] <K-otiK> i've used it, its ok, i'd rather do it through the term
[03:19] <K-otiK> no
[03:19] <K-otiK> im not root
[03:19] <miausX> K-otiK, try sudo nmap <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:19] <miausX> ah! hehehehe ;D
[03:19] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: OK - had me worried for a moment there :)
[03:19] <miausX> thoreauputic, lol
[03:19] <K-otiK> in the terminal i su - root
[03:20] <miausX> uh?
[03:20] <miausX> why su - root?
[03:20] <K-otiK> so i was root and i just ran nmap -sP 192.168.1.* and it gave me that line
[03:20] <miausX> sudo -s ;)
[03:20] <K-otiK> sendto in send_tcp_raw: sendto(3, packet, 40, 0, <IP_ADDRESS>, 16) => Operation not permitted
[03:20] <K-otiK> thats never happened, uninstalled it and installed it again still the same thing
[03:20] <miausX> hum... nmap works fine in my system
[03:21] <neighborlee> help lol...I installed another distro for testing/review on my other partition but now I can't seem to get lilo to 'find' my ubuntu system ( I edited lilo.conf and ran lilo but its erroring out: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hdb2 doesn't have a valid boot signature)...how do I fix this anyone ? ;-=)thx......
[03:21] <K-otiK> sudo nmap give me the same as before
[03:21] <miausX> Host localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>) appears to be up.
[03:21] <miausX> Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.311 seconds
[03:22] <miausX> are you in hoary K-otiK?
[03:22] <K-otiK> in what?
[03:22] <miausX> Ubuntu warty == stable, Ubuntu Hoary == unstable
[03:22] <miausX> (more or less) ;)
[03:23] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: what does  `ls -l /usr/bin/nmap` say?
[03:23] <K-otiK> root@ubuntu:~ # ls -l /usr/bin/nmap
[03:23] <K-otiK> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       371912 Aug 13 04:38 /usr/bin/nmap
[03:23] <K-otiK> root@ubuntu:~ #
[03:23] <miausX> thoreauputic, he is in warty (I think) and me too... I installed nmap right now and works fine, I think he is doing somethin wrong
[03:24] <K-otiK> im not sure what im looking for there but does that look ok?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> hmm... the perms look OK
[03:24] <thoreauputic> that's 755 which should be right
[03:25] <miausX> K-otiK, are you behind a router?
[03:25] <K-otiK> have you ever seen this happen to anybody else?
[03:25] <miausX> ... forget my last question, a router can't be the problem, sorry
[03:26] <K-otiK> when i had fc2 mynmap worked great
[03:26] <miausX> K-otiK, yep, when I was behind a firewall
[03:26] <miausX> or... when I tunned /proc to disable ICMP (you know, ping, etc)
[03:27] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: you can portscan me if you want :)
[03:27] <K-otiK> i dotn think it willwork
[03:27] <miausX> her it is --> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_*
[03:27] <miausX> here*
[03:28] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: ok :)
[03:28] <miausX> oh, work time... 3:28 am here :)
[03:28] <K-otiK> haha
[03:28] <miausX> ;D
[03:28] <miausX> brb guys :)
[03:29] <K-otiK> apt-get doesnt' have nmap fe?
[03:29] <K-otiK> weird
[03:30] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: sure it does - your repos must be wrong
[03:30] <K-otiK> i just ran update
[03:31] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[03:32] <erich> Why is libgtk2.0-dev in ubuntu that big (installed size 25 MB bigger than in debian) - does it include libgtk2.0-doc?
[03:32] <K-otiK> universe i tryed to change it but i must have done somethgin wrong cus it doesn't work
[03:32] <K-otiK> nto sure what to add to the file withough screwing up
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> how can I set up the postfix mail account in evelolution?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> K-otiK:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[03:35] <erich> punkrockguy318: use localhost for delivery.
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> what about my account name and stuff?
[03:35] <erich> punkrockguy318: i hope you are aware that postfix is a MTA ("mail transfer agent") only. no pop or imap
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> but i can use evolution right?
[03:36] <erich> punkrockguy318: you don't need auth for localhost usually.
[03:36] <erich> i use evolution with postfix.
[03:36] <erich> for sending that is
[03:36] <K-otiK> thoreaputic aren't i already access the universE? dont' i wan to access the multi-verS?
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> erich, what do I do for sending? there's only smtp and sendmail
[03:37] <erich> punkrockguy318: both should work
[03:37] <erich> sendmail uses a wrapper named sendmail. this is installed by default by postfix and probably the fastest.
[03:37] <thoreauputic> K-otiK:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[03:37] <erich> but you can smtp to "localhost" as well
[03:38] <K-otiK> thanks
[03:38] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: the ubuntu search function is quite useful - try it ;)
[03:39] <punkrockguy318> erich, under my LocalMail folder, it just said Loading...
[03:39] <erich> you need to configure mail recieving separately
[03:39] <erich> postfix is sending only.
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> erich, it puts my mail into my Inbox, but it keeps coming up with a folder called "Local Mail" and its stuck on "Loading..."
[03:40] <erich> check the account settings for that.
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> alright
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> so it's just <username>@localhost right?
[03:42] <erich> what do you exactly want to do?
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> send a mail to someone else on the local machine
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> so their address would be <username>@localhost correct?
[03:43] <erich> yes.
[03:43] <erich> and it should come in via the "standard unix mail spool"
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:43] <Hikaru79> Hey, is jdong around?  Which do you prefer?
[03:56] <wasabi> evolution.
[03:56] <scoon> Hikaru79, try them both out. I have used them both but always end up with evo
[03:57] <_ubuntuniac> thunderbird ...
[03:57] <scoon> Hikaru79, but i don't really know why.  they are both pretty damn close.
[03:57] <Hikaru79> I've been using Thunderbird up till now
[03:57] <Hikaru79> But I just tried evo for the heck of it
[03:57] <thoreauputic> sylpheed  heheh
[03:57] <scoon> Hikaru79, not thunderbird, maddog.  it is the other great drink :)
[03:57] <Hikaru79> And I'm a bit impressed, I must say
[03:58] <scoon> Hikaru79, the biggest diff between the 2 is that evo has PIM where t-bird does not.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> "pim">
[03:58] <Hikaru79> *?
[03:58] <scoon> Hikaru79, i think tbird is the "light weight" alternative.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> I see.
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, Personal Info Manager
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, think "palm"
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, not the rosy one either.  but the palm device
[04:00] <thoreauputic> there are, however, much *lighter*  GUI mail clients like balsa and sylpheed
[04:01] <scoon> thoreauputic, that is absolutely correct.  but with how trendy mozilla stuff is now, those are easily forgotten.
[04:02] <thoreauputic> scoon: indeed. Sylpheed is a very nicely designed client - but it still uses gtk 1.2 so it isn't as pretty
[04:02] <scoon> thoreauputic, true, true.
[04:02] <scoon> anyone use beep media player over xmms ?
[04:03] <Hikaru79> When I try to remove evolution-data-server from my computer through synaptic, it threatens to destroy some pretty important-looking stuff, like gnome-menu, gnome-applets, etc. Is it not safe to remove evolution-data-server?
[04:05] <scoon> Hikaru79, well it comes with the evolution client.  so you are pretty much stuck with it.  as stated before, if you don't have PIM to deal w/ try out tbird.
[04:05] <scoon> Hikaru79, even if you do have PIM stuff you could try jpalm
[04:05] <thoreauputic> evo is pretty tightly integrated with gnome
[04:05] <Hikaru79> =/ Shucks. OK
[04:05] <Hikaru79> I can remove evolution itself just fine. But not 'evolution-data-server'
[04:05] <Hikaru79> Meh
[04:06] <scoon> Hikaru79, it only gets fired up when you start up the evo client.
[04:06] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK :)
[04:06] <Hikaru79> And it's probably not very space-intensive
[04:06] <Hikaru79> I'll deal.
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it deals with address book and calendar functions
[04:08] <K-otiK> is there a way i can adjust my monitors resolution through the terminal?
[04:08] <K-otiK> my laptop has unbuntu and it goes black when it gets to the user logon screen
[04:08] <K-otiK> ubunulinux.org didn't yield much
[04:11] <tux_> K-otiK, yea... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... something like that
[04:17] <discord> gtk+-2.0 comes with ubuntu right?
[04:17] <discord> its part of gnome and the gimp isnt it?
[04:18] <discord> im having trouble compiling gtkpod anyone want to help?
[04:18] <tolstoy> discord, have you installed the -dev packages?
[04:18] <neighborlee> during playing back of mplayer im getting: alsa-control : mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such fileor directory ??
[04:19] <neighborlee> and when I click on stop..mplayer flat exist..it must need reinstalled LOL
[04:19] <neighborlee> exits
[04:19] <thoreauputic> discord: you almost certainly need the -dev package for gtk 2
[04:20] <thoreauputic> discord: though why you are compiling is another issue
[04:20] <discord> im compiling because their is no up to date gtkpod package
[04:21] <discord> whats wrong with compiling
[04:21] <discord> ?
[04:21] <neighborlee> I can't win tonight LOL.now i'm getting unresolveable depends with synaptic trying to reinstall mplayer ;(
[04:21] <thoreauputic> discord: nothing really - as long as it lands somewhere safe like /usr/local :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> discord: so it doesn't confuse the packaging system
[04:22] <tolstoy> is there a way, in gnome 2.8 (or 2.8, hoary), to set icons for certain mime types?
[04:23] <neighborlee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:23] <neighborlee>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed < what is best way to resolve this guys ?
[04:23] <neighborlee> id rather not -f it but..
[04:27] <_ubuntuniac> anyone know how to disable oss sound completely ?
[04:27] <smoki> i just downloaded and installed ubuntu but i can't start x... i made a post about it in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35646&posted=1#post35646   it seems like other people have the same problem, any ideas??
[04:28] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, you can, but other apps that use it will now work.
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> i don't care
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> i can get the ones i need to work with alsa scoon
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, do you know how ?
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> (to disable oss)
[04:29] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, just rmmod all of the oss modules.
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> i've done that now
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> but i want that on reboot as well
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Who has gotten MIDI to work?
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> don't want to do rmmod manualy
[04:30] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, then rebuild your kernel sans the oss modules
[04:30] <_ubuntuniac> tried doing that
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> but my / is on a s/w raid0
[04:31] <scoon> and
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> can't seem to get the kernel to NOT panic
[04:31] <scoon> what does that matter to kernel rebuild ?
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i get kernel panics on my rebuilds
[04:32] <_ubuntuniac> even using the same config file as the releases
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, well then you are not doing something correctly
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, get the source
[04:32] <diego> hey, i just did an upgrade on hoary and now i can't start xorg...there's a post in the forums...but uhh...is anyone working on this?
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, save the .config file somewhere else
[04:32] <_ubuntuniac> diego, hoary is DEVEL
[04:32] <scoon> clean the source tree with make mrproper
[04:32] <tvon> Anyone else have busted X with the last batch of Hoary updates (few mins ago)?
[04:32] <diego> _ubuntuniac, hehe, yeah..
[04:32] <scoon> copy that .config into the source
[04:33] <diego> tvon, yep, complaining about it as we speak :)
[04:33] <smoki> i just downloaded and installed ubuntu but i can't start x... i made a post about it in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35646&posted=1#post35646   it seems like other people have the same problem, any ideas??
[04:33] <scoon> make the config with whatever you use and then disable the oss stuff
[04:33] <smoki> oops
[04:33] <tvon> diego: ah, cool
[04:34] <Quest-Master> And who can fix my eternal-lasting gEdit problems? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7910 ;)
[04:34] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, I KNOW HOW TO RECOMPILE A KERNEL
[04:34] <diego> how do i search for a package? (no gui available)
[04:35] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i've been using linux for 7 years
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, well sorry, but most people seem to forget that important step
[04:35] <tvon> diego: apt-cache search
[04:35] <bam> apt-cache search <string>
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, nice.  I have only been using since 1998.
[04:35] <diego> tvon/bam: thanks
[04:35] <bitserf> diego, tvon, *: its devel, so be patient :) i think the devs might still be on the plane back, or just getting off, so, uhm, yeah. it might be a little while :)
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i am not as "SMART" as you >:)
[04:35] <neighborlee> how do I fix apt-get not working due to : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:35] <neighborlee>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed.
[04:36] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, do you know how i can to warty if i've done some upgrades to hoary ?
[04:36] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, contrary to poplular belief xchat does not give me "years of use" stats on everyone in this god damn room
[04:36] <_ubuntuniac> downgrade*
[04:36] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, if it were me i would restore the repos and try to re-install those changes that I made
[04:37] <_ubuntuniac> with aptitude reinstall ?
[04:37] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i haven't messed w/ hoary.  after 18 painfull months of emerge addiction, I have gotten back into stable linux and writing code.
[04:37] <diego> bitserf, well, i have no problems now...gpm support with elinks rockx0rs!!
[04:37] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, there are posts in the forums by peeps that have tried it.
[04:37] <_ubuntuniac> gentoo ?
[04:38] <_ubuntuniac> i think i might actually install gentoo scoon !
[04:38] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, good luck.  I ran it for 18months.
[04:38] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, what you think ?
[04:38] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, it was nice.  emerge is cool.  but not so stable.
[04:39] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, that is why i am here.     with --prefix=/home/xx/usr/gnome2 ?
[04:45] <scoon> why not remaster a live cd and put in it what you want
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, yes
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, check out configure --help
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, it really really works
[04:45] <thoreauputic> diego:  more likely it can change number of lines and that kind of thing - as I say, I haven't read thre man - I just use it to set the blank time mostly
[04:45] <K-otiK> when is easter?
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> scizzo, i know "configure --help"
[04:45] <thoreauputic> *the
[04:45] <nictuku> --prefix=/usr/local/ is better, isn't it?
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, ^^
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> nictuku, shhh ...
[04:46] <nictuku> hehe
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, what is better ?
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i know "configure --help"
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, why install dev code globally
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, you think i'm an idiot
[04:46] <scoon> for example
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, no, if i did i would say so.
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> _ubuntuniac scoon, you've got a point <<
[04:46] <scoon> have i said that yet
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> so i AGREE with you NOW !?!
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> so stop argueing with me ?
[04:47] <discord> anyone know why im not alowed to change ownership of the ipod directory i made in /mnt
[04:47] <scoon> huh ?
[04:47] <nictuku> discord, are you root?
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> still thinking about gentoo though
[04:47] <discord> yeah
[04:47] <discord> oh
[04:48] <discord> its cause its mounted
[04:48] <discord> sorry
[04:48] <nictuku> what is this ipod directory?
[04:48] <nictuku> ah ok
[04:48] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, gonna go check out gentoo's status on ATI drivers
[04:48] <scoon> ati :(
[04:48] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, hell yeah !
[04:48] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, eek.
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, bought my ati 9800XT and now it's a FigeGL X2 !
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> that's value for money
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> slow in releasing drivers but they will sooner or later
[04:49] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, and a barely supported card w/ linux
[04:49] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, don't hold your breath.
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> eh i've had bad luck w/ ati
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, they're just waiting for intel to release their 32/64bi chip
[04:49] <scoon> but enough of this, it is my own politics.
[04:50] <diego> _ubuntuniac, installing gentoo is a good learning experience but running it (with updates) is ri-gosh-darn-diculous...i recently switched from gentoo to ubuntu because of it
[04:50] <scoon> whatevs
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> ati fireglx works fine in linus
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> linux*
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> with binary drivers
[04:50] <scoon> diego, ubuntu is by far the most stable distro i have run to date.
[04:50] <scoon> and for me gentoo didn't really teach me much.
[04:50] <diego> scoon: i had no stability issues on gentoo
[04:50] <scoon> emerge'ing != compiling from scratch
[04:51] <scoon> i did
[04:51] <scoon> all the time.
[04:51] <diego> scoon, well gentoo was my first distro so i learned quite a bit
[04:51] <scoon> but i was ~x86
[04:51] <scoon> i burnt mine
[04:51] <_ubuntuniac> gentoo is 100% more hands on than ubuntu
[04:51] <diego> i was selectively ~x86 but mostly x86
[04:51] <_ubuntuniac> what are yo talking about scoon !
[04:52] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i am typing w/ diego
[04:52] <scoon> oh wait
[04:52] <scoon> i burnt mine fingers on an antenna that had a super duper rock of crack in it
[04:52] <scoon> damn addictions
[04:52] <scoon> first emerge
[04:52] <scoon> then rocks
[04:52] <scoon> god life sux
[04:52] <diego> noobasaurus rex?
[04:53] <diego> haha what an asshat
[04:53] <scoon> me ?
[04:53] <scoon> wtf did i do
[04:53] <diego> no _ubuuntuniac
[04:53] <nictuku> lol
[04:54] <scoon> oh
[04:54] <scoon> sorry peoples
[04:54] <scoon> i have been up drinking some bourbon for a bit
[04:54] <scoon> just bored
[04:54] <scoon> all right
[04:54] <scoon> i am not really sorry
[04:54] <TongMaster> Anyone here tried to install Ubuntu on a system with a PERC 4e/DC raid controller?
[04:56] <discord> promise raid controllers were not fun for me
[04:58] <discord> TongMaster: is it software or hardware raid
[05:00] <s0cks> scoon : Asshat to the max. Jack and coke smooths that over no end.
[05:00] <scoon> s0cks, i just drink knob creek w/ 3 ice cubes
[05:00] <scoon> s0cks, but yes, jack and coke is quite tasty
[05:01] <s0cks> Rum and coke blends together better for some reason, but I am out of rum.
[05:02] <scoon> s0cks, doh
[05:02] <TongMaster> discord, hardware
[05:02] <scoon> that is never good
[05:03] <s0cks> scoon : President : Appearantly, my cabinet is empty (george bush problem) and needs restaffing. (translation, liquor cabinet)(My problem, restock tommorow)
[05:04] <discord> true hardware raid is supposed to appear as one disk to the computer are you sure that it is not software raid?
[05:04] <scoon> s0cks, it is always very important to have a plan B installed
[05:05] <scoon> s0cks, either buy way to much liquor or keep a spare flask
[05:05] <discord> scoon,  you have plan b installed?
[05:05] <s0cks> lol.
[05:05] <discord> or is it plan9
[05:05] <s0cks> Im on my last fifth of jack
[05:06] <discord> are you using a dell TongMaster
[05:06] <discord> maybe here
[05:06] <discord> http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml
[05:06] <scoon> s0cks, you know a stripper turned me onto jack and cokes years ago
[05:07] <scoon> s0cks, as time wore on i got more and more pissed off and kept using less and less coke
[05:07] <scoon> s0cks, so now i am just at 3 ice cubes and whiskey
[05:07] <regeya> I always pop in at the most interesting times
[05:08] <regeya> oh as in coca cola...right?
[05:08] <s0cks> lol
[05:08] <scoon> yes
[05:08] <s0cks> Jack and coke has always been my favorite
[05:08] <s0cks> But rum and coke is my other hard liquor drink.
[05:08] <scoon> s0cks, try drinking w/ strippers.
[05:08] <s0cks> lol
[05:08] <s0cks> I don't want the clap
[05:08] <scoon> s0cks, they loose their appeal as well
[05:08] <regeya> I'm going to talk to Mr. Beam in a moment
[05:08] <scoon> i just said drink w/ thim
[05:09] <s0cks> lol
[05:09] <scoon> nada else
[05:09] <s0cks> I don't trust my self wasted
[05:09] <scoon> but lucky for me double bagging always helped
[05:10] <gpled> i have added apm to /etc/modules in hope that it will power off my computer at shutdown.
[05:11] <regeya> bravo.
[05:11] <gpled> i their a fast and easy way to tell linux to reload all the modules listed in /etc/modules?
[05:11] <gpled> is
[05:12] <diego> gpled: just modprobe apm...
[05:12] <diego> maybe rmmod acpi stuff
[05:12] <bitserf> gpled: grep -v ^# /etc/modules | xargs modprobe
[05:12] <bitserf> :P
[05:13] <regeya> heh
[05:13] <TongMaster> thanks, discord.
[05:14] <bitserf> gpled: though i can do a clean shutdown just by hitting the power button and walking away...acpi i think
[05:16] <discord> anyone help me with my fstab ?
[05:17] <gpled> bitserf: that a cool grep. going to have to start using that xargs :)
[05:18] <gpled> FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:18] <bitserf> gpled: add a sudo just before xargs, you have to be root
[05:19] <gpled> hmm, that strange. that a piping problem?  i did #sudo grep -v ^# /etc/modules | xargs modprobe
[05:20] <bitserf> gpled: you're doing the grep as root, not the xargs...thats how pipelines work...the second bit in the pipeline as forked as yourself
[05:21] <discord> http://www.pastebin.com/131151 there is my fstab file and what i was told to do underneath it
[05:23] <bitserf> discord: the correct way to fix that is to use HAL's preferences.fdi
[05:24] <discord> woot
[05:24] <errr> how do I get syntax highlighting in vim? (Ive never had to do anything speical before to get it)
[05:24] <discord> i got it
[05:24] <discord> thanks
[05:24] <crimsun> errr: :syn on
[05:24] <errr> ah ok
[05:24] <errr> ty
[05:25] <crimsun> errr: you may also use ~/.vimrc with this line: syntax enable
[05:25] <discord> now to find some mp3's
[05:25] <discord> :]
[05:25] <bitserf> discord: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RG9wHi57.txt <-- put this in /etc/hal/preferences.fdi, and you'll magically get your iPod labeled as "iPod" as well :)
[05:25] <EFS> you may also want to add 'set bg=light' as the default ubuntu terminal has a white bg and vim setting defaults to dark.
[05:25] <bitserf> woops, /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi, that is
[05:25] <tvon> is there a repository of old ubuntu packages anywheres?
[05:25] <tvon> I think debian has something along those line
[05:25] <tvon> s
[05:25] <EFS> 'set bg=light' makes the highlights a bit more readable.
[05:26] <crimsun> tvon: as in archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:26] <discord> why do i want to do that?
[05:26] <discord> bitserf, do you have an ipod
[05:26] <errr> crimsun: thanks that was driving me crazy :)
[05:26] <tvon> crimsun: Isn't that the normal repository?
[05:26] <discord> bitserf, are you using gtkpod?
[05:26] <bitserf> discord: yes, i do
[05:26] <calc> vim defaults to light
[05:26] <bitserf> discord: yep.
[05:27] <discord> do you get the message about the sorting bug when you start gtkpod?
[05:27] <calc> but thanks for mentioning that i haven't looked into how to make it brighter
[05:27] <calc> so now setting it to bg=dark makes it brighter :)
[05:27] <crimsun> silly kde defector =P
[05:27] <bitserf> discord: yep, something about not being able to use extended information?
[05:27] <calc> crimsun: :P
[05:27] <discord> bitserf, i got that and something else also
[05:28] <discord> bitserf: Cannot unsort track view because of a bug in the GTK lib you are using (2.4.10 < 2.5.4). Once you sort the track view, you cannot go back to the unsorted state.
[05:28] <EFS> oops, you are right, mine is dark due to an old vimrc file ... sorry for the confusion.
[05:28] <bitserf> discord: ahh, i didn't get that because i'm running hoary, which has GTK 2.5.6
[05:28] <crimsun> 2.6.0, actually.
[05:29] <bitserf> crimsun: right, that slipped through unnoticed
[05:29] <discord> does it matter much about that does it change the order of mp3's or anything?
[05:29] <crimsun> thank $deity for apt-listchanges :)
[05:30] <tvon> diego: did you come up with any solutions to the X issue?
[05:30] <neighborlee> how do I enable GUI mode in mplayer ? ;-)
[05:30] <crimsun> neighborlee: use gmplayer
[05:31] <tvon> poking around for the previous packages...sadly I just cleaned them up
[05:31] <neighborlee> crimsun, its not in universe or multiverse
[05:31] <crimsun> erm, it's included as part of mplayer
[05:32] <neighborlee> its not loading mplayer gui though
[05:32] <calc> crimsun: ssh its supposed to be a secret ;)
[05:32] <crimsun> calc: oops ;)
[05:32] <crimsun> neighborlee: are you following gmplayer's syntax?
[05:32] <crimsun> neighborlee: you have to specify a skin
[05:32] <neighborlee> this is retarded
[05:33] <crimsun> for instance, I have this alias: mp='gmplayer -skin proton '
[05:33] <neighborlee> well i'm running it from my multimedia menu but illl try that
[05:34] <neighborlee> why did they remove mplayer-586 ?
[05:35] <crimsun> they...didn't?
[05:35] <neighborlee> mine was working but I opted to remove it because it kept flashing this dialogue showing error regarding alsa-control..went to reinstall it and bam I got tons of dependnecy errors..then I saw on forum that its now in multiverse
[05:36] <crimsun> available from both ubuntu hoary's 'multiverse' and from debian-marillat
[05:36] <neighborlee> yes but I kept getting dependency errors both in terminao and synaptic
[05:36] <crimsun> what sort of dependency errors? use #flood or pastebin as necessary
[05:37] <neighborlee> so I had to choose to install mplayer-custom as mentined on ubuntu forums..I 'm just wondering why mplayer-586 was causing errors
[05:37] <neighborlee> ok flood it is
[05:37] <|Arioch|> Could someone answer a quick question for me.  I need to exit out of X so that I can install Nvidia drivers.  Ctrl Alt Backspace just takes me to the login screen.  How can I exit to just a console?
[05:37] <trans_err> i have a 40gb maxtor that won't work anymore... it simply produces a high pitch whine and doesn't do anything else.... does anyone have any suggestions-- I really need some recent (and not backed up) info off of this thing
[05:37] <tvon> |Arioch|: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:38] <|Arioch|> Thank you so much.
[05:38] <tvon> |Arioch|: from a console
[05:38] <tvon> np
[05:38] <calc> trans_err: if nothing can access it, you can pay large sums to data recovery companies to do it
[05:38] <scoon> trans_err, it sounds really afu.
[05:38] <crimsun> neighborlee: looks like your apt sources are fubar
[05:39] <trans_err> afu?
[05:39] <scoon> trans_err, why not give knoppix a try and fsck it
[05:39] <gpled> be right back.  going to test my new apm :)
[05:39] <scoon> trans_err, All Fucked Up
[05:39] <neighborlee> crimsun, Ihaven't changed anything and I did apt-get update  and got no errors
[05:39] <trans_err> dammit- this can't happen
[05:39] <trans_err> dammit- i need a real pc to check this thing out
[05:40] <calc> trans_err: at least you'll have backups the next time this happens
[05:40] <trans_err> calc: that's what i said years ago when this happened
[05:40] <calc> hahaha
[05:40] <neighborlee> crimsun, im' using marilat so I dont see how..
[05:40] <calc> hit your end against a wall a few more times ;)
[05:40] <crimsun> neighborlee: are you pinning or anything?
[05:40] <trans_err> i want to go shoot a maxtor exec
[05:40] <neighborlee> crimsun, nope
[05:40] <calc> er s/end/head/
[05:41] <calc> all rotating objects eventually stop
[05:41] <neighborlee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=3&pp=10 < user 'lean' at this url also had similar errors it seems...
[05:42] <calc> thats why i try to avoid buying hardware that uses fans ;)
[05:42] <dee> help
[05:42] <dee> i need to be able to install stuff
[05:42] <dee> but cant
[05:42] <dee> rthere is no gcc or cc
[05:43] <scoon> trans_err, fire up knoppix or some other live cd and use fsck on the drive
[05:43] <tolstoy> hm. the composite extension in X.  just a tad flakey?  or is it the nvidia drives + 2.6.9?
[05:44] <bitserf> arghhhh. dpkg-buildpackage complains that you need to run it with fakeroot after completing the build. sucky if you're building X :)
[05:45] <dee> ?
[05:45] <calc> bitserf: running fakeroot debian/rules binary will probably pickup the build
[05:46] <calc> i think there may be a way with dpkg-buildpackage as well, but i'm eating so someone else can look it up ;)
[05:46] <bitserf> calc: too late, i accidentally ran a fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage after it, and first thing it does is whack the build tree :)
[05:46] <calc> yep
[05:47] <dee> pleas ehelp!!!!
[05:47] <calc> dee: apt-get install gcc
[05:47] <calc> but on my system it was automatically installed not sure why it wasn't on yours
[05:48] <mattw> it was not on mine either, but easy enough to install maybe it is different on different arches
[05:48] <dee> like
[05:48] <dee> i think it was b cuz i diddnt wanna have to w8 an hour for the live software updates
[05:48] <calc> maybe it got installed when i ran dselect since it installs standard
[05:49] <mattw> I selected to install the packages online during the second step and still didn't have gcc though
[05:49] <mattw> others having troubles with xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu7 ?
[05:49] <crimsun> mattw: core modules don't load due to dlopen/elf loader changes.
[05:50] <crimsun> will be resolved in a bit
[05:50] <mattw> thanks, figured it had been answered plenty of times but I missed it
[05:50] <dee> wow
[05:50] <dee> apt-get install gcc
[05:51] <dee> calc,  look in ur PM
[05:58] <|Arioch|> Ok, I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers... I'm a bit of a noob.  It's trying to find the kernel sources, which I've installed via synaptic, but I don't know how to point the installer to the sources.  Any ideas?
[05:59] <crimsun> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[05:59] <crimsun> (presuming you're using a Ubuntu-provided kernel)
[06:00] <|Arioch|> LOL... did you catch that part about me being a noob?  ;)
[06:00] <|Arioch|> How do I enable restricted repo?
[06:00] <|Arioch|> In Synaptic's repo?
[06:01] <crimsun> yep
[06:02] <|Arioch|> I don't see a "restricted" in the list.
[06:03] <crimsun> in Settings>Repositories?
[06:03] <crimsun> (I don't have Synaptic open atm)
[06:03] <|Arioch|> That is where I'm at.  I have two that are not selected.
[06:03] <Gwildor> |Arioch|, enable them all, except for the top one, disable that
[06:03] <|Arioch|> ok
[06:03] <Gwildor> :)
[06:05] <|Arioch|> Ok, now for the second part... what do I apt-get?
[06:05] <Gwildor> for?
[06:05] <Gwildor> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:05] <|Arioch|> I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers.
[06:06] <Gwildor> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:06] <Gwildor> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:07] <cef> lo MacPlusG3
[06:07] <MacPlusG3> cef: good afternoon
[06:07] <|Arioch|> It came back saying that "linux-restricted-modules..." is already the newest version.
[06:09] <Gwildor> crimsun, i guess pick up where you left off with |Arioch|, cuz i use ATI
[06:09] <crimsun> |Arioch|: so it's already installed.
[06:10] <|Arioch|> Yes
[06:10] <crimsun> |Arioch|: why are you attempting to compile the Nvidia drivers?
[06:10] <|Arioch|> I wanted to install Nvida drivers but the installer needs to compile them for the Ubuntu kernel I guess.
[06:11] <crimsun> |Arioch|: linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` contains the Nvidia driver.
[06:11] <|Arioch|> I have a 17inch widescreen laptop with a resolution of 1440x900.  I have the modeline but I just wanted to install the drivers first.
[06:11] <|Arioch|> It does...
[06:11] <crimsun> yep, it does.
[06:12] <|Arioch|> How do I install them then?  I downloaded the driver from Nvidia's site.
[06:12] <crimsun> |Arioch|: you don't need to install or compile anything. It has already been done for you.
[06:12] <dee> ok i did synaptic and it says,,, could not lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open 11
[06:13] <|Arioch|> ...ok.  Let me add the modeline and reboot then.
[06:13] <crimsun> dee: do you have an instance of dpkg or apt-get already running?
[06:13] <cef> crimsun: he needs the other half of the nvidia driver (nvidia-glx) if he wants to use it
[06:13] <crimsun> |Arioch|: no need to reboot
[06:13] <crimsun> cef: correct
[06:13] <|Arioch|> I'm still here.
[06:13] <dee> crimsun, how do i chack
[06:14] <crimsun> dee: pgrep dpkg
[06:14] <crimsun> |Arioch|: as cef mentioned, make sure you have nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx installed as well
[06:14] <dee> it just went down a line
[06:14] <cef> there is a howto on the wiki about this, isn't there?
[06:14] <|Arioch|> crimsun, ok
[06:15] <cef> damn the ubuntu mirrors are slow for me.. *sigh*
[06:16] <|QuaD-> cef: where you located
[06:16] <|QuaD-> does anyone use the zeroconf (apple rendezvous) protocol?
[06:16] <cef> |QuaD-: melbourne, australia
[06:17] <dee> crimsun it just went down a line
[06:17] <|QuaD-> cef: can't help you there :)
[06:17] <crimsun> dee: so you don't have dpkg running
[06:17] <cef> |QuaD-: and I'm on Optus (cable ISP).. they're supposed to be looking at an ubuntu mirror at some stage.. *ho hum*
[06:17] <crimsun> did you run `sudo synaptic'?
[06:17] <|QuaD-> cef: :)
[06:17] <dee> anyone know any good books to get me started learning the basics???
[06:17] <crimsun> dee: ...of?
[06:18] <|QuaD-> dee: i like o'reilly running linux
[06:18] <|QuaD-> i used that to learn
[06:18] <cef> |QuaD-: annoying that I am getting 25kB/sec when the service is capable of 600kB/sec
[06:18] <dee> ok i did sudo synaptic and i got me.... "could not get locl ver/lib......./dpkg/locl open (11 resource temp unaviable)
[06:18] <dee> yea
[06:18] <dee> but thats a HUGE book
[06:19] <|QuaD-> cef: i would be upset
[06:19] <|QuaD-> dee: its worth every penny
[06:19] <kleedrac> What do I need to apt-get for configure: error: *** SDL_image lib not found! Get SDL_image
[06:19] <bitserf> cef: school holidays innit? all the kiddies on BT :|
[06:19] <crimsun> kleedrac: if you have the 'universe' repo, libsdl-image1.2-dev
[06:20] <cef> bitserf: possibly.. *sigh* weekend as well so yeah.. even worse than normal
[06:22] <dee> alll
[06:23] <dee> crimsun, forgot about me :(
[06:23] <crimsun> dee: try rebooting then running the command.
[06:24] <dee> ok mate
[06:24] <dee> brb
[06:33] <dee> hurray
[06:37] <tvon|x31> anyone know some packages with perdy fonts?
[06:37] <crimsun> there is quite a selection of ttf fonts
[06:37] <tvon|x31> I used to have a ton of perdy ones, all the ones I'm installing seem to not be them...
[06:37] <crimsun> apt-cache search ttf-
[06:37] <jeffbax> hello, I'm wondering if anyon would like to help me get my ATi drivers working :)
[06:38] <kleedrac> Is there any way to get older versions of "Battle of Wesnoth" from the repositories?
[06:38] <tvon|x31> Debian has some wicked historical repository with everything from the beginning of time (or thereabouts)
[06:38] <crimsun> [snapshot.debian.net]
[06:38] <tvon|x31> ah, yes
[06:40] <jeffbax> can anyone help explain this to me
[06:40] <jeffbax> jeff@jeffbax:~ $ glxgears
[06:40] <jeffbax> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:40] <jeffbax> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[06:40] <jeffbax> jeff@jeffbax:~ $
[06:41] <crimsun> you're not loading the dri extension according to glxgears
[06:41] <jeffbax> is there somewhere that will explain how to fix that
[06:41] <crimsun> are you loading dri in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[06:42] <speel> what would cause X to restart while playing a game
[06:42] <xhaker> hi i really need some help installing Warty. seen many people with the same problem
[06:42] <jeffbax> crimsun, I'm following - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20driver
[06:42] <xhaker> the partitions dont show up at the partition screen
[06:42] <jeffbax> I'm very new to Ubuntu and Linux
[06:42] <jeffbax> so I'm not exactly sure what you mean :)
[06:43] <jeffbax> I updated my kernel, then apt'd fglx-driver
[06:43] <jeffbax> and then i reconfigured my xserver to use fglrx instead of ati
[06:43] <cef> jeffbax: have you restarted X since then?
[06:43] <jeffbax> I reboot
[06:43] <cef> ahh ok
[06:44] <jeffbax> er
[06:44] <jeffbax> wait
[06:44] <jeffbax> I didn't reboot since reconfguring my xserver
[06:44] <cef> aha!
[06:44] <jeffbax> only when I updated my kernel and installed the driver
[06:44] <jeffbax> how do I restart the x server?
[06:44] <cef> it's half-configured then
[06:44] <speel> you dont have to reboot lol just hit alt ctrl backspace
[06:44] <jeffbax> what does alt ctrl backspace do
[06:44] <jeffbax> before i press it
[06:44] <jeffbax> and potentially lose this chat window :)
[06:45] <cef> like speel said: but you'll lose the current session.
[06:45] <jeffbax> how do i restart
[06:45] <jeffbax> x
[06:45] <jeffbax> and gnome
[06:45] <cef> ctrl-alt-backspace kills the current Xserver and auto-restarts it
[06:45] <jeffbax> ah
[06:45] <jeffbax> alright
[06:45] <speel> it restarts x and if the login screen dosent come up it should ask you for a login and once you put in ur login info type startx well thats only if the login screen dosent come up
[06:45] <cef> it'll log you out though
[06:45] <jeffbax> be back in a jiffy.. hopefully :)
[06:46] <jeffbax> ok, i'm back
[06:46] <speel> wb
[06:46] <xhaker> any help on that partioning problem?
[06:46] <jeffbax> and glxgears goes pretty quickly
[06:46] <jeffbax> but it doesn't report the framerate
[06:46] <jeffbax> like it did when my friend helped me set up ati drivers under debian
[06:47] <speel> do you really need it?
[06:48] <jeffbax> well, i'd just like to see that its really high
[06:48] <jeffbax> kid of reassuring :)
[06:48] <bitserf> starting up an opengl game will be all the benchmarking you really need :)
[06:48] <jeffbax> hah, well installing a game is a whole nother ballgame
[06:48] <speel> lol
[06:49] <jeffbax> so far, my linux experiences have been pretty ... difficult :) Fedora Core 1 was slow and not very fun, Core 2 ate my boot record and I couldn't get into Windows, Debian was ok, but I was having a lot of issues because it was only a slim install.  Now I'm tryin Ubuntu :)
[06:50] <speel> nice :) i used to be in that situation
[06:51] <jeffbax> i have a question
[06:51] <speel> fedora needs to just go home with that crap
[06:51] <jeffbax> is there a way for me to share my GAIM and Mozilla settings / bookmarks / logs / accounts between linux and windows
[06:51] <jeffbax> so I don't have to have two separate instances and redo my whole contact list again
[06:52] <xhaker> maybe maiking a vfat partition?
[06:52] <speel> hmm not to sure i mean it may be possible if you grab the seetings you want from your windows partion but im not to sure
[06:53] <jeffbax> another thing, if I have my ATi drivers installed correctly, should I be seeing window drag?
[06:53] <diego> xhaker, i don't think vfat supports permissions, which makes shit complain
[06:53] <speel> window drag?
[06:53] <jeffbax> you know
[06:53] <jeffbax> say you drag a window
[06:53] <jeffbax> and you see the window repeat a little
[06:53] <jeffbax> on the edge
[06:54] <jeffbax> until it is settled in a position
[06:54] <xhaker> like if it is a SFX
[06:54] <xhaker> lol
[06:54] <speel> ah yea hmm mine does it a little but not alot but i dont think that has a effect on your ati
[06:54] <speel> i think its just gnome
[06:55] <jeffbax> maybe
[06:55] <jeffbax> under debian
[06:55] <jeffbax> i had XFCE
[06:55] <xhaker> im still thinking if ubuntu is worth the hassle
[06:55] <jeffbax> didn't notice it much
[06:55] <jeffbax> so far I like ubuntu compared to Fedora :)
[06:55] <jeffbax> its just set up nicely by default
[06:55] <speel> ubuntu is a BREEEZE compared to fedora
[06:55] <jeffbax> though there are some things i'd like to change
[06:55] <Se7h> liboglft0 <- cant find this dam thing
[06:56] <jeffbax> is there a way to make windows lock on each other like in XFCE ?
[06:56] <xhaker> i use fedora on my server and i'm quite happy with it.. tho i've only seen the bash shell
[06:56] <xhaker> lol
[06:56] <calc> jeffbax: edge snapping?
[06:56] <tvon|x31> jeffbax: in mity?
[06:56] <jeffbax> yes!
[06:56] <tvon|x31> er, mcity
[06:56] <jeffbax> edge snapping calc :)
[06:56] <calc> jeffbax: hold shift
[06:56] <tvon|x31> hold down shift when moving
[06:56] <speel> lol i think any distro is good with just the shell
[06:56] <jeffbax> wow!
[06:56] <jeffbax> hah
[06:56] <jeffbax> awesome
[06:56] <jeffbax> thanks a lot :)
[06:57] <xhaker> so anyone here knows what i'm talking about? warty boot cd not detecting partitions?
[06:57] <|QuaD|> any python experts here?
[06:57] <spikeb> not i
[06:57] <calc> xhaker: does it see your drive at all?
[06:57] <xhaker> calc thats the problem.. it sees it all
[06:58] <xhaker> and wants it all
[06:58] <xhaker> lol
[06:58] <diego> |QuaD|, #python
[06:58] <calc> heh
[06:58] <|QuaD|> diego: :)
[06:58] <xhaker> calc cant afford to lose my stuff
[06:58] <xhaker> lol
[06:58] <speel> hey has anyone got .wmv files to work?
[06:58] <xhaker> speel shouldnt mplayer read them?
[06:59] <speel> possibly but i rather use totem
[06:59] <xhaker> hmm.. i saw libavcodec with wmv support
[07:00] <spikeb> ok
[07:00] <spikeb> speel: you need totem-xine and the win32codecs
[07:00] <xhaker> hehe
[07:00] <xhaker> that
[07:00] <xhaker> :P
[07:01] <siimo> any help for installing nvidia
[07:01] <speel> ah what kinda help
[07:01] <speel> o and thanks spikeb
[07:01] <trans_err> read the binary howto on ubuntu's wiki
[07:02] <spikeb> you're welcome
[07:02] <speel> siimo: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#installnvidiadriver
[07:02] <jeffbax> siimo, go here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20driver
[07:02] <siimo> thanks
[07:03] <bitserf> people who have problems with the latest Xorg, but want to use the rest of -6.8.1-1ubuntu7: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35684&posted=1#post35684
[07:04] <jeffbax> if installing packages is really easy, how do you uninstall them?
[07:04] <jeffbax> i want to remove open office
[07:04] <jeffbax> and get abiword
[07:04] <spikeb> same way you install them
[07:04] <spikeb> either synaptic or apt-get, using remove instead of install
[07:05] <jeffbax> when i do
[07:05] <jeffbax> apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:05] <jeffbax> it lists "ubuntu-desktop" in one of the files removed
[07:05] <diego> bitserf, cool. i plan on falling asleep before the compile is done though so i'll hold out i guess
[07:05] <spikeb> jeffbax: thats ok
[07:05] <speel> o and jeff if you plan on to compile your own stuff do apt-get install essential*
[07:06] <jeffbax> is essential make and gcc?
[07:06] <speel> yea it includes all that good stuff
[07:06] <jeffbax> getting it now
[07:08] <spikeb> i thought it was build-essential
[07:08] <speel> hmm ah well i always use essential*
[07:09] <Bandit> dumb question
[07:09] <Bandit> how do i get an acceptab;e c compiler
[07:09] <Bandit> acceptable
[07:10] <spikeb> apt-get install gcc
[07:10] <Bandit> thanks
[07:10] <jeffbax> how do i get firefox 1.0 on this
[07:10] <jeffbax> instead of .93
[07:11] <spikeb> jeffbax: either use the package from unstable, or get the installer from mozilla.org
[07:11] <spikeb> i wouldn't.
[07:11] <speel> i think ud have to install it your self unless some one knows a repo that has it or get the unstable reop but i dont suggest that
[07:11] <ajmitch_> the repository is in the wiki
[07:11] <Bandit> grr now how about glib
[07:11] <Bandit> sorry i am such a dumb ass
[07:12] <speel> bandit do apt-get install essential*
[07:12] <ajmitch_> just take a look for firefox on there & you should come across it
[07:12] <Bandit> ok thankyou
[07:12] <speel> np
[07:13] <Bandit> still doesnt work
[07:13] <Bandit> glib not installed
[07:13] <jeffbax> woa guys
[07:13] <spikeb> you nee glib-devel if you're trying to compile something
[07:13] <jeffbax> i just went to play tuxracer
[07:13] <jeffbax> and there are huge graphical problems
[07:14] <speel> essential* should include everything
[07:14] <jeffbax> it runs fast, but the whole screen is clipping :(
[07:14] <Se7h> liboglft0
[07:14] <jeffbax> like mad!
[07:14] <Se7h> does anyone knows where i can get it ?
[07:14] <trans_err> jeffbax: i'm having the same problem
[07:14] <alka_trash> hell
[07:14] <alka_trash> hello
[07:14] <jeffbax> trans_err: any ideas?
[07:15] <trans_err> jeffbax: none, just wanted to join the club
[07:15] <alka_trash> nice, I made it to the ubuntu channel
[07:15] <alka_trash> I upgrade my hoary today and now I can't get into xorg, some bitmap error
[07:16] <spikeb> ahh the bennies of running unstable
[07:16] <alka_trash> I hope that it's just some bad updates and a new update will fix it
[07:17] <alka_trash> anyone else update today?
[07:17] <alka_trash> I have to admit, the text mode irc client is pretty cool
[07:18] <tvon|x31> xorg is trashed with todays update...you need to install xserver-xfree86 for the time being
[07:18] <Se7h> i nedd liboglft0
[07:18] <Se7h> :|
[07:18] <alka_trash> okay, I'm glad that it's not just me
[07:18] <bitserf> tvon: not necessarily. the previous xorg packages are still on archive.ubuntulinux.org
[07:18] <cef> *sigh* why is it that I always choose the wrong day to update from warty to hoary.. *sigh*
[07:19] <alka_trash> I can tough it out, I bet it will only be a couple of days
[07:19] <alka_trash> until working updates
[07:19] <jeffbax> well its time for sleep
[07:19] <jeffbax> thanks for all the help :)
[07:20] <alka_trash> the joys of command line
[07:20] <alka_trash> links2, irssi, nano
[07:21] <diego> alka_trash, elinks, naim, and vim :D
[07:21] <alka_trash> I like vim too, naim?
[07:21] <alka_trash> is naim, what I think it is? a messenger client?
[07:21] <cef> yup
[07:21] <cef> ncurses based
[07:22] <alka_trash> I'm back baby!
[07:22] <alka_trash> thanks
[07:22] <diego> naim has support for aim and irc, i'm using both right now hehe
[07:22] <alka_trash> anything for yahoo
[07:22] <spikeb> centericq
[07:23] <cef> diego: does naim support everything gaim does?
[07:23] <spikeb> centericq supports msn, icq, yahoo (i think), aim...
[07:24] <diego> cef: no, just aim and irc
[07:24] <alka_trash> really
[07:24] <alka_trash> naim is pretty nice
[07:24] <alka_trash> I'm going to give centerirq a shot :)
[07:25] <cef> diego: bugger.. now if it really supported everything gaim did (including it's config), it'd be damn useful
[07:28] <alka_trash> hot dog! centericq is the sh!t!
[07:28] <spikeb> yes sir.
[07:28] <spikeb> :)
[07:29] <diego> cef, heh, true true...
[07:30] <alka_trash> I need more
[07:30] <spikeb> more what?
[07:30] <alka_trash> cool command line tools
[07:30] <spikeb> heh gonna become a CLI junkie?
[07:30] <alka_trash> I'm feeling just a little krazed
[07:31] <alka_trash> CLI, Yes, that's it
[07:32] <spikeb> A NCurses-based, menudriven front-end for cdrecord, Blade Encode, CDRDAO, CDparanoia, and MADplay.
[07:32] <spikeb> SimpleCDR
[07:32] <diego> spikeb, omg i need that now
[07:33] <diego> spikeb, does it support dvd's?
[07:33] <spikeb> dont know
[07:33] <spikeb> doesnt look like it, maybe a newish version does
[07:34] <g> can someone tell me right fast how to boot into single user mode please?
[07:35] <alka_trash> single user mode
[07:35] <alka_trash> isn't that init 1
[07:35] <diego> g, select it from grub menu...
[07:35] <alka_trash> oh how to boot, sorry
[07:36] <alka_trash> is there any advantages to using single user mode
[07:36] <g> well i just need to run fsck
[07:36] <g> and i can't do it while in this current mode
[07:36] <spikeb> g: press esc to get the grub menu then there should be a single user mode entry
[07:36] <diego> alka_trash, it's good for recovery if you can get to it
[07:36] <alka_trash> kewl
[07:36] <g> ok will check
[07:36] <g> thanks
[07:37] <g> i seen recovery mode thats not the same right?
[07:37] <|QuaD|> anyone here familiar with PHP XML-RPC functions?
[07:37] <discord> will someone tell me what is wrong with this line
[07:37] <diego> g, i think it is
[07:37] <g> ok will try
[07:37] <g> thanks again
[07:37] <diego> |QuaD|, #php...lol
[07:37] <spikeb> discord: if i can, i will
[07:37] <|QuaD|> diego: no one was :(
[07:37] <|QuaD|> familiar
[07:37] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:38] <diego> |QuaD|, the php manual is very good
[07:38] <discord> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc ntfs rw,user 0 1
[07:38] <discord> from my /etc/fstab
[07:38] <discord> when i mount it
[07:38] <|QuaD|> diego: yeah... not on this subject, kinda lacking
[07:38] <diego> |Quad|, what are you working on, out of curiosity?
[07:38] <spikeb> discord: the rw bit
[07:38] <discord> only root can look at it
[07:38] <|QuaD|> trying to get contacts off a server, eventually port it to java and make a sync app
[07:38] <spikeb> oh
[07:38] <discord> so if i do ro then it will let the user look at it?
[07:39] <spikeb> no
[07:39] <|QuaD|> first want to learn how this hwhole system works
[07:39] <spikeb> but rw isnt good heh
[07:39] <discord> yeah
[07:39] <discord> well
[07:39] <spikeb> hmm, i dont know what's wrong with it
[07:39] <chibifs> >.>
[07:39] <chibifs> <.<
[07:39] <discord> anybody
[07:39] <thoreauputic> discord: try adding uid=1000,gid=1000
[07:39] <diego> |QuaD|, maybe LDAP would be appropriate?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> if those are your user's IDs of course
[07:39] <alka_trash> chibifs: welcome to the club
[07:40] <spikeb> so THAT's who broke xorg
[07:40] <spikeb> quit eating those packages!
[07:40] <|QuaD|> diego: the server i am trying to sync with only has xml-rpc
[07:40] <chibifs> Let's all now shun ourselves for being update-o-haulics :P
[07:40] <diego> |QuaD|, ah...well then proceed
[07:40] <alka_trash> it's too late chibifs has already swallowed them
[07:40] <spikeb> heh
[07:41] <spikeb> chibifs: a bad habit ot have when running unstable :P
[07:41] <chibifs> Yes indeed.
[07:41] <chibifs> x_x
[07:41] <diego> from now on, i check the forums before updating critical packages!
[07:41] <alka_trash> damn, apt-get need a little roll back feature
[07:41] <|QuaD|> diego: i can't find a good channel that focuses on this stuff then
[07:41] <discord> hmm i dont know if those are my gids
[07:41] <spikeb> im considering running debian unstable on a box here shortly
[07:41] <spikeb> heh
[07:41] <thoreauputic> discord: type id to see
[07:42] <thoreauputic> discord: that will give you a list
[07:42] <diego> |QuaD|, naim doesn't have /list support...sorry..maybe #web can help/point you somewhere more specific?
[07:42] <discord> they are but it didnt work
[07:42] <crimsun> spikeb: ubuntu hoary and debian sid are remarkably close (except for glib/gtk/pango/atk & gnome -related packages)
[07:42] <chibifs> Luckily with Linux you don't actually /need/ X :D
[07:42] <thoreauputic> discord: you want the first one (your users default group)
[07:42] <bitserf> http://www.yonkis.com/w.php?id=15122004113048.jpg
[07:42] <spikeb> crimsun: aye
[07:43] <discord> ?
[07:43] <|QuaD|> diego: i will look there, thanks for your help :)
[07:43] <cef> crimsun: and Xorg
[07:43] <crimsun> cef: true
[07:43] <diego> |QuaD|, meh, i haven't done anything but waste both our times...roflcopter
[07:43] <discord> thoreauputic just user id not the group one
[07:43] <thoreauputic> discord: there's a how to on ubuntulinux.org about it - use search
[07:43] <discord> hmm
[07:43] <thoreauputic> discord: both
[07:43] <discord> okay thanks
[07:43] <spikeb> xorg will make it's way back into sid from hoary though, i'd hope
[07:43] <crimsun> it will. waiting for sarge to release first.
[07:44] <spikeb> heh
[07:44] <spikeb> N+30 days for that :)
[07:44] <chibifs> Just enough terminals to live. :P
[07:44] <diego> chibifs: elinks man...that thing has more features than IE (TABBED BROWSING!!!!)
[07:44] <crimsun> chibifs: screen(1)
[07:44] <cef> spikeb: well depends.. if sarge gets released before hoary..
[07:44] <spikeb> i doubt that'll happen
[07:44] <chibifs> diego- elinks doesn't have graphics mode :/
[07:44] <spikeb> they're STILL waiting on the security infastructure
[07:45] <cef> spikeb: yeah I know..
[07:45] <spikeb> heh thoreauputic
[07:45] <spikeb> sarge will come out before
[07:45] <diego> chibifs: links does? shiiit....all the text-based browsers have their benefits
[07:45] <cef> spikeb: which means xorg most likely won't come from hoary, but perky
[07:45] <chibifs> Yeah. links has SVGA graphics mode, but no CSS
[07:45] <spikeb> elinks has css?
[07:46] <alka_trash> I'm back, with this CLI I wanted to line up all my tty terminals :)
[07:46] <chibifs> elinks has awesome css :D
[07:46] <spikeb> damn
[07:46] <alka_trash> relly, I'll have to give it a shot
[07:46] <crimsun> meh, screw ttys and just screen everything.
[07:46] <diego> chibifs: how do you get graphics in links? i don't have 'em
[07:46] <spikeb> links -g
[07:46] <chibifs> links -g
[07:46] <discord> thanks thoreauputic, i was reading about it elsewhere it doesn't like me using user it wants to be very specific with those ids
[07:47] <cef> damnit upgrading from warty to hoary is taking ages to download for me.. going to take somewhere between 3 and 6 hrs
[07:47] <thoreauputic> discord: BTW you don't want rw for ntfs
[07:47] <chibifs> I've never used screen before. Any special setup it needs to go through? o.O
[07:47] <crimsun> cef: you aren't seriously upgrading to hoary right this instant, are you?
[07:47] <discord> hmm i thought <IP_ADDRESS> finally supported rw
[07:47] <alka_trash> wow, elinks is pretty nice
[07:47] <diego> spikeb/chibifs: don't have that ? on hoary
[07:47] <crimsun> chibifs: screen <some app>
[07:47] <spikeb> hmm
[07:48] <discord> thoreauputic, does ntfs rw still not work
[07:48] <diego> cef/crimsun: haha
[07:48] <chibifs> discord, You can enable it, but it's risky.
[07:48] <thoreauputic> discord: not AFAIK, unless you use "captive" which is still experimental I think
[07:48] <cef> crimsun: well it's downloading.. I need a hoary devel box
[07:48] <alka_trash> okay, going to try screen
[07:48] <crimsun> anything X Windows-related is hosed atm. Today is not a good day to be dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[07:49] <diego> oh hmm...would i need framebuffer support?
[07:49] <chibifs> As in, you can do it, but windows probably won't like it anymore.
[07:50] <chibifs> diego - SVGAlib, doesn't necissarily need framebuffer.
[07:50] <diego> chibifs: thanks
[07:51] <chibifs> /etc/vga/libvga.config If you want to set it up for hard-accel. :P
[07:52] <underdog> hi everyone. i am having a problem with ubuntu + xorg. it can't load modules "bitmap" and "pcidata". has anyone had these problems?
[07:52] <underdog> oh, i'm with nvidia :)
[07:52] <chibifs> Yep. Wait for the new packages to come out. :D
[07:52] <cef> crimsun: I need gcc and libs, not x.. I can live with it.. I've lived with sid for 5 years
[07:52] <spikeb> thats insane
[07:52] <underdog> chibifs there's got to be a way to solve this...
[07:52] <ajmitch_> insane?
[07:53] <underdog> what do I do until then? use xfree?
[07:53] <cef> crimsun: and my lappy is still running sid atm, and that's working, so hey.. I'll live
[07:53] <chibifs> underdog - Backing up to the last package versions is a pain.
[07:53] <bitserf> underdog: get the previous xorg packages from archive.ubuntulinux.org
[07:53] <bitserf> underdog: or do what i do, and rebuild Xorg without the patch that causes the problem
[07:53] <underdog> bitserf can't I add an APT source to do that?
[07:53] <cef> crimsun: hopefully it's not as bad as the last time i upgraded to hoary though.. when it had a screwed up kernel and grub refused to boot anything at all
[07:54] <underdog> bitserf i'm not THAT crazy ;)
[07:57] <g> geeze what gives i can't for the life of me run fsck i booted in recovery mode typed fsck -C -r /dev/hda1 and it constantly says mounted with write permissions is there no way to check this thing or what?
[07:57] <underdog> well
[07:57] <underdog> I just have to sort out the nvidia kernel/X module version difference now
[07:58] <thoreauputic> g: you might need to boot from a cd in rescue mode and fsck it unmounted
[07:59] <g> ok so put the ubuntu cd in correct? and then how do i get to the shell if there is a wiki i will read just frustrated :(
[07:59] <neighborlee> does ubuntu support suspend to disk ?
[08:00] <neighborlee> friend is asking ( he's thinking of swithing and im recommendng of course ubuntu <G>)
[08:00] <alka_trash> neighborlee: works with my laptop
[08:00] <spikeb> it does on laptops it works on
[08:00] <spikeb> heh
[08:00] <neighborlee> ic
[08:00] <alka_trash> how do you start new window new screen
[08:01] <discord> can you select multiple folders in the gnome select file dialog?
[08:01] <spikeb> believe so
[08:01] <discord> ctrl does not work do you know how I would do that?
[08:01] <mitochondyu> hi all
[08:01] <discord> hello
[08:01] <mitochondyu> i need help
[08:01] <neighborlee> discord, I presume you tried shift
[08:01] <mitochondyu> newb questions
[08:01] <alka_trash> that came out wrong, I'm using screen and I'm not able to create a new window
[08:01] <neighborlee> hi
[08:02] <discord> i didnt but it does not work either
[08:02] <discord> mitochondyu, shoot
[08:02] <mitochondyu> i have a drive that contain, files and folder with different permmission, how can i set all files+folder+subfolder to same permission?
[08:02] <g> so how do you get to a terminal shell via the cd please?
[08:03] <discord> going to use chown / chmod
[08:03] <mitochondyu> ok thanks..
[08:03] <mitochondyu> didnt knwo abotu chown command
[08:04] <diego> chibifs: after apt-getting svgalib-bin, what else do i have to do? links2 doesn't seem to notice it
[08:04] <discord> sorry im so vague maybe someone knows better than me i dont know if you can use -r for recursive
[08:04] <mitochondyu> so -r means all the subfolders etc right?
[08:04] <mitochondyu> my english is poor sorry
[08:05] <discord> yeah
[08:05] <mitochondyu> thanks
[08:05] <discord> like
[08:05] <discord> rm -rf
[08:06] <discord> rm -rf /home/discord/666 would delete the 666 folder and anything underneath it
[08:06] <discord> the f is force
[08:06] <thoreauputic> chown takes -R I believe (upper case for recursive)
[08:06] <discord> you can always check the man pages
[08:06] <thoreauputic> according to man that's correct
[08:06] <discord> man chown
[08:06] <discord> or sometimes their is a quick help
[08:07] <discord> chown --help
[08:07] <mitochondyu> oh crap..i think i lost everything..wait.
[08:07] <mitochondyu> i will kill self.
[08:07] <alka_trash> discord: teach a man how to fish...
[08:08] <mitochondyu> ah thanks it works...is   sudo chmod 777 -R backups
[08:08] <discord> cool
[08:08] <diego> mitochondyu, better back up your backups...
[08:08] <mitochondyu> yeah
[08:08] <mitochondyu> mostly porn so.
[08:08] <alka_trash> he he
[08:08] <mitochondyu> hahahah
[08:09] <mitochondyu> so must back up
[08:09] <alka_trash> better back up your backups
[08:09] <discord> mitochondyu, got anything good?
[08:09] <diego> alka_trash, o.O
[08:09] <mitochondyu> yesh.
[08:09] <mitochondyu> i got dsl..upload bery slow
[08:09] <discord> hook it up ;]
[08:09] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: you realise you just made all your p0rn executable? ;)
[08:10] <diego> w00000000000000t
[08:10] <alka_trash> ( weep weep ) I'm stuck in cli
[08:10] <mitochondyu> executable is good
[08:10] <diego> alka_trash: yeah no joke, i'm being so inefficient i'm going to sleep
[08:10] <diego> gn all
[08:10] <alka_trash> maybe there's something to read
[08:10] <alka_trash> diego: good night
[08:11] <spikeb> how's usplash coming along?
[08:11] <mitochondyu> thanks guys nite
[08:11] <underdog> bitserf, I got it to run
[08:11] <mike_douglas> anyone else having xserver problems? I can't load the core module after the latest update
[08:11] <underdog> with the previous xorg package
[08:11] <underdog> mike_douglas, just solved that one myself
[08:11] <underdog> :)
[08:12] <mike_douglas> lol, what luck
[08:12] <underdog> just remove xserver-common and xserver-xorg
[08:12] <underdog> wait
[08:13] <underdog> xserver-common_6.8.1-1ubuntu6_i386.deb and xserver-xorg_6.8.1-1ubuntu6_i386.deb are the ones to install
[08:13] <chibifs> rm -R /
[08:13] <chibifs> I mean
[08:13] <chibifs> uhhh. o.o;
[08:13] <g> dang i have this cd in so i hit execute shell but when i try to type fsck i get no command found
[08:13] <chibifs> Please, no one run that command. :P
[08:13] <nictuku> wasn't it -r, not -R ? :)
[08:13] <g> can someone help me please
[08:14] <underdog> rm -rf /
[08:14] <chibifs> f?
[08:14] <mike_douglas> chibifs: i was once joking around with a macosx buddy and told him to run that. I thought everyone knew that joke, I was wrong :(
[08:14] <underdog> that should do the trick, nictuku ;)
[08:14] <underdog> chibifs, force ;)
[08:14] <chibifs> I forgot that this was Ubuntu. :P
[08:14] <underdog> mike_douglas, do you need help?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> g: try /sbin/fsck
[08:15] <chibifs> Some people might actually do that if I say it here. :o
[08:15] <mike_douglas> not anymore, thanks for the package names
[08:15] <underdog> if you don't have them on your archive
[08:15] <underdog> I can send them to you via dcc
[08:15] <underdog> or e-mail even
[08:16] <mike_douglas> a downgrade one release feature in apt is definetly on my Christmas wishlist ;)
[08:16] <g> its not in /sbin
[08:16] <g> i take it the utility is not on the cd :(
[08:16] <thoreauputic> g: that's amazing
[08:16] <underdog> e2fsck
[08:16] <underdog> try that, g
[08:17] <g> evidently i'm not doing something right
[08:17] <g> i put the cd in
[08:17] <g> i then hit enter to boot
[08:17] <g> and hit hit escape
[08:17] <g> and hit execute shell
[08:17] <g> and i'm at #
[08:17] <g> and i try those commands and nada
[08:18] <underdog> g, try "cd /; find | grep fsck"
[08:18] <thoreauputic> g: are you sure this isn't the grub shell you are in ?
[08:19] <g> to be honest i don't know what the hell i'm in :)
[08:19] <g> i'm just trying to fix this drive :)
[08:19] <g> i'm in ash
[08:19] <g> built i shell
[08:19] <thoreauputic> OK
[08:19] <g> from the cd
[08:19] <g> sorry just this is pissing me off :(
[08:19] <underdog> well mike_douglas, good luck then. merry xmas without your downgrade ;)
[08:19] <underdog> bye guys
[08:19] <underdog> bitserf, thanks for the help
[08:20] <mike_douglas> horray (or hoary) the packages are still there!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> g: do you have a live cd like knoppix hanging around? Might be easier
[08:20] <mike_douglas> bye underdog
[08:20] <g> no i don't
[08:20] <g> all ihave is ubuttnu
[08:22] <thoreauputic> g: if you let the installer disc boot fully, you should be able to get a tty by doing al-f2 or alt-f3 I believe
[08:22] <bitserf> underdog: np
[08:23] <g> ok well here is the thing
[08:23] <g> isn't hte drive mounted at that point?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> you can umount it
[08:24] <g> thats the problem i can't check the disk cause its write mounted
[08:24] <underdog> g, when the install script starts
[08:24] <g> even a root?
[08:24] <underdog> it's not mounted yet
[08:24] <cef> not hard to mount it
[08:24] <thoreauputic> root: you should *not* IRC as root !
[08:24] <root> sorri
[08:24] <cef> but go thru the install process TILL you get to the partitioner.
[08:24] <root> my Hoary just break
[08:24] <g> your missing what i'm saying
[08:25] <root> I now just have to use BitchX
[08:25] <root> I dont know how to change nick with BitchX
[08:25] <g> my root is on the drive i want to check
[08:25] <root> can someone show me?
[08:25] <cef> otherwise the devices (eg: ide bus) don't get detected
[08:25] <g> so i don't see how i can issue commands without a mounted drive
[08:25] <mojo_0> aah...
[08:25] <thoreauputic> root: add a user  - adduser name
[08:25] <mojo_0> how to private chat with a nick? (what command?)
[08:26] <mojo_0> how to private chat with a person? (using bitchX)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> mojo_0: changing nick doesn't mean you aren't root
[08:26] <underdog> mojo_0, /query <<nickname>>
[08:26] <g> so this thing is going thru the process of asking for my host name and all that
[08:26] <underdog> mojo_0, to leave query just /query
[08:26] <g> i dn't wanna reinstall ubuntu
[08:26] <mojo_0> thx
[08:26] <mojo_0> thx
[08:26] <g> all i wanna do is fix this drive :)
[08:26] <g> grrr
[08:27] <thoreauputic> mojo_0: you are still root
[08:27] <cef> g: just get up to where it asks you to partition the drive.
[08:27] <g> ok
[08:27] <g> then do a alt f2?
[08:27] <g> as i do when i'm normally running?
[08:27] <cef> g: don't actually partition it. at that point, go to the second console, press enter and then mount the partition somewhere (eg: /target
[08:27] <cef> yup!
[08:27] <g> k
[08:28] <g> but if i mount it then i can't check it can i i'm confused
[08:28] <g> i don't see how you can fsck something that isn't mounted
[08:28] <g> and i know you said mount it and thats fine
[08:28] <cef> g: only reason you need to get to the partitioner is that it only detects the drives just before it
[08:28] <g> but do i mount it with r only or whats the deal
[08:28] <g> k
[08:28] <cef> mount it read only, or just run the fsck
[08:29] <g> k
[08:29] <cef> from that point on, you've got access to the drive.
[08:29] <g> ok gotcha
[08:30] <g> so the only reason fsck is crappin at me is cause its rw?
[08:30] <g> but one question
[08:30] <g> if it doesn't have write permissions how is it gonna fix it
[08:30] <poptones> sorry to interrupt, would someone mind giving a bit of bash help?
[08:30] <ajmitch_> g: it has write permissions to the underlying device
[08:30] <g> oh ok
[08:30] <thoreauputic> poptones: possibly - but might be better to /join #bash
[08:31] <ajmitch_> which is why it doesn't need to mount it
[08:31] <poptones> coolio i'll give it a shot
[08:33] <g> ok i got to the partioner i hit alt f2
[08:34] <g> i'm at shell i typed mount /dev/hda1 /drive -o r
[08:34] <g> and it can't find hda1
[08:35] <Se7h> question
[08:36] <Se7h> does anyones use Skype ?
[08:36] <g> brb
[08:39] <Se7h> no one ?
[08:39] <zenkov> Hi
[08:42] <g> any other ideas
[08:43] <g> one would tink there would be an easier way to repair his drive than having to do all this crap :)
[08:45] <Erix> hi
[08:46] <cef> g: ahh yeah.. devfs device names.. arghh.. try /dev/ide0/lun0/part1 (or something like that)
[08:48] <g> k
[08:51] <anir> hey guys
[08:51] <anir> how are u all
[08:52] <g> ok to mount the drive read only its -ro right?
[08:52] <g> ok i got it nevermind
[08:52] <anir> wht software should i use to play cds?
[08:54] <g> can you do me a favor and type locate reisfsck please and tell me the path thanks
[08:55] <g> err its in sbin i see it
[08:55] <g> :)
[08:58] <g> finally :)
[09:03] <anir> all busy??
[09:05] <g> cef and thor thanks it seems to be working onw
[09:05] <g> err now
[09:05] <g> i ran reiserfcsk with the -fix-fixable command so i hope it works
[09:06] <walski> just a question on custom kernel compiling
[09:07] <walski> is there anyway i can get the config that is used to make ubuntu kernel images? so i can make my own and patch some unsupprted hardware i need
[09:13] <txtda> i installed to much crap, how can i get back to original packages without deseleting one by one?
[09:14] <underdog> txtda, re-install?
[09:14] <txtda> rather not, is there a list i can import to apt?
[09:16] <Se7h> skype, does anyone has this ?
[09:22] <miggumike> hey. what is a good e-mail client other than evolution?
[09:22] <spikeb> for gnome? there isn't one, in my opinion.
[09:22] <txtda> mozilla and thunderbird
[09:22] <miggumike> for kde
[09:22] <melazyboy> walski: Yes there are two ways.
[09:22] <spikeb> miggumike: kmail
[09:23] <txtda> pine :)
[09:23] <melazyboy> walski: You can either get ubuntu's kernel-tree*, or you can copy your old .config file
[09:24] <melazyboy> walski: To copy the config just go to /boot, find the config file you want and copy it to your /usr/source/linux directry (which you should have made a sym link to)
[09:26] <haza96> has anyone installed the latest nvidia drivers (6629) from the nvidia web site?
[09:27] <miggumike> is thunderbird ok to use?
[09:27] <txtda> nope, but what nvidia comes with hoary
[09:27] <txtda> ?
[09:27] <spikeb> thunderbird is nice
[09:28] <haza96> how do I set the runlevel so that X isn't running?
[09:29] <walski> melazyboy, thanks mate
[09:30] <melazyboy> walski: no problem you might have to rename the config file to .config in your /usr/source/linux directory and then issue the command 'make oldconfig'
[09:30] <miggumike> can i change my computer's name?
[09:31] <bruceh> Hi, I just installed ubuntu and everything went well until I rebooted after the install and grub exited with Error 18. Anybody know what could have happened?
[09:31] <melazyboy> walski: Aucutually scratch that, make oldconfig, should read the config right out of the /boot dir, if you issue the command 'make oldconfig' it should copy the current kernel config file located in /boot/ to /usr/source/linux/.config, and then your read to configure and compile
[09:33] <walski> k awesome
[09:36] <melazyboy> miggumike: /etc/hostname
[09:37] <walski> melazyboy, works well thanks again
[09:37] <melazyboy> miggumike: All of your essential linux configuration files that can be changed,
[09:38] <melazyboy> miggumike: err sry, should be found in /etc, likewise for along time, most of the changes in those files can be viewed in /proc, which is little the gauges of linux
[09:38] <Se7h> skype, does anyone has this ?
[09:38] <melazyboy> like the*
[09:38] <Se7h> i cant get it to work
[09:39] <melazyboy> whats skype?
[09:39] <Se7h> they say something about esddsp skype
[09:39] <spikeb> it's a voip application
[09:39] <Se7h> to redirect the sound to it cause it's "stupid"
[09:39] <Se7h> lol
[09:40] <Se7h> but esddsp ...not a command
[09:40] <miggumike> thanks melazyboy
[09:40] <Se7h> artsdsp for kde
[09:40] <Se7h> and esddsp for gnoem
[09:41] <melazyboy> Se7h: are you using alsa or oss?
[09:41] <Se7h> alsa
[09:41] <miggumike> melazyboy: what do i edit to setup my email for my computer
[09:41] <Se7h> miggumike o.0
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: that depends on what exactly your trying to set up
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: a server or a client
[09:42] <miggumike> client i believe
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: then it would depend on the client
[09:43] <Se7h> miggumike Evolution ?
[09:43] <miggumike> nm that
[09:43] <walski> spikeb, use alien to convert the rpm to the deb and install that
[09:44] <walski> i have it working in ubuntu perfectly
[09:44] <melazyboy> Se7h: just out of curiosity try this, 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | aplay'
[09:44] <walski> sorry that was to Se7h
[09:45] <spikeb> hehe
[09:45] <Se7h> lol
[09:45] <Se7h> its not the installation
[09:45] <Se7h> melazyboy wtf is that ?
[09:45] <Se7h> i mean
[09:46] <Se7h> i cant understand it 100%
[09:46] <Se7h> woo
[09:46] <Se7h> Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[09:46] <Se7h> 5+0 records in
[09:46] <Se7h> 5+0 records out
[09:46] <Se7h> 5120 bytes transferred in 0.079806 seconds (64156 bytes/sec)
[09:46] <miggumike> how can i make it so 'su' works?
[09:47] <Se7h> miggumike sudo su
[09:47] <miggumike> :/
[09:47] <miggumike> it didn't ask me for my password when i did that
[09:47] <melazyboy> dsp is something about sound, when i get errors of that sort i test the installation, alsa doesn't use oss's psudo file handles for the dsp, it uses its own unique method that i don't fully understand, im using a 100% alsa install, without oss and i have had some errors of that like with other apps
[09:49] <Se7h> melazyboy erros of that like ?
[09:49] <melazyboy> Se7h: Yes with applications bitching when they try to access a sudo file handle, like for instance /dev/dsp
[09:50] <Se7h> Are you using a desktop environment such as KDE or Gnome? Those both have "sound daemons" that take over control of the soundcard once it starts, and unless an application knows how to communicate with those sound systems they will not be able to use the sound device. Unfortunately, Skype will try to access /dev/dsp directly, instead of querying any running sound daemons.
[09:50] <Se7h> well
[09:50] <Se7h> i chowned the /dev/dsp with my user
[09:51] <miggumike> is there a way i can make my computer able to log into root?
[09:52] <melazyboy> Se7h: I don't think thats true, i use gnome and xmms, VLC, and xine all access ALSA directly, they all have an option to play through artsd, but they in addition have an ALSA option, as in a menu where you can select one but not both, and i play to what i believe is alsa directly with artsd running
[09:53] <Se7h> melazyboy well...its there call not mine