[16:53] <Eickmeyer> If any MOTU wants a quick, easy package to sponsor, I've got one at bug 1829562. lintian --pedantic returns no errors. The copyright file is a little long, but I went over it pretty thoroughly.
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> acheronuk: Feel like using those new MOTU powers? ;)


[08:33] <Y05hito__> Hey
[08:33] <Y05hito__> Ok, i've set my bottom toolbar to autohide (with the start menu), but then now i set it back to normal, alway visible.
[08:34] <Y05hito__> BUT, when i epxand a window full screen now, the window act like my toolbar was still hidden.
[08:34] <Y05hito__> so the bottom of the window is hidden behind the toolbar of lxqt and i need to resize manually, any idea how to fix that??
[10:34] <aluno> sup
 Hi everyone
 How come my screen blacks out every ten minutes I'm watching Stremio?
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a990cdec/image_2022_12_02_17_25_57.png
 I already disabled the inactivity monitor
[16:40] <genii> You might try in an xterm: xset -dpms && xset s noblank
 @Y05hito__: are you still there? can you confirm if the application whose windows expand over the toolbar has been installed from the package manager? Sometimes the programs installed via snap do not respect some settings
 thank you
 I installed xfce power manager
 When I opened it 'turn screen black was turned on by default

 I disabled it for now and checking what will happen (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <genii> You might try in an xterm: xset -dpms && xset s noblank)
 xfce power manager settings solved it
 👍 (re @Michaël: xfce power manager settings solved it)


[02:55] <airsoftmodels> hhi
[09:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[19:50] <user|75472> Anyone know when we're expected to see KDE framework 5.57 ?
[23:17] <mparillo> Looks as if FW 5.58 is available for you to test in Disco with this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks?field.series_filter=disco
[23:17] <mparillo> 5.57 with this one: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing?field.series_filter=disco
[23:18] <mparillo> Better way to get 5.57 on Disco: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing?field.series_filter=disco
[23:19] <mparillo> Actually that was the same paste. THIS is better: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=disco


[04:05] <j1mc> is anyone around that can take a look at some xslt with me? http://pastebin.ca/2064006
[04:06] <j1mc> the issue is with the template match="row"
[04:06] <j1mc> i want to get the title, but not every row has a title
[04:06] <j1mc> so how can i not produce any output if there's no title?
[07:41] <andrejz> hello! i am a translator and would like to know how can i test translations of natty docs?
[07:55] <mdke> andrejz: hi. Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation and particularly the section "Instructions for gnome-user-docs". Then ask me questions if you don't manage to make it work
[07:55] <mdke> andrejz: but I won't be around on irc much so you may have to use email
[08:04] <andrejz> ok
[08:34] <andrejz> mdke, when i try to do  bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ubuntu-doc/natty ubuntu-docs-natty i get
[08:35] <andrejz> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'bzr'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."


[02:15] <Wild_Man> Hello Bashing-om and guiverc2 any idea how soon the daily iso's will be out?
[02:16] <guiverc2> Wild_Man, can I get a second for http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8772&preview=true  .. daily?  19.10 last daily was ~13.25 hours ago & I'm not expecting another; maybe middle next week for next bionic  (weekly?)
[02:17] <Wild_Man> That link gives me a not found page
[02:18] <Wild_Man> I mean daily iso's for 20.04
[02:18] <guiverc2> 19.10 release statement then; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-October/004845.html  (posted here ~6 hours ago, the fridge is my 'draft' of that)
[02:19] <Wild_Man> Do I need to be logged into the fridge to see the draft?
[02:20] <guiverc2> most probably; but it's just a 'polished' version of lists.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <Wild_Man> I 2nd it
[02:21] <guiverc2> Thanks :)
[02:22] <guiverc2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/10/18/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-released/  -- shouldn't need login now
[02:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc2 :: Issue template edited to now include eoan in the updates section.
[02:23] <guiverc2> i'll go post to fb/tweeter etc  -- great thinking Bashing-om; hadn't even thought of that (probably wouldn't for weeks..)
[02:24] <guiverc2> (I don't see a 19.04/18.10 tweet; forgetting twitter)
[02:26] <Wild_Man> Good deal Bashing-om thanks
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man:  guiverc2: I have a pounding head ache that makes cogitation difficult - I have *LOTS* listed under the Ubuntu 19.10 release announcement -maybe way to much ?
[02:28] <guiverc2> Bashing-om, don't stress about it... it won't help... I won't look now (I'm too tired & wouldn't likely help), but tomorrow can look; please feel free to remind me  (ensure I've not wiped 19.10 from my mind..)
[02:34] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I looked and not sure, I will look again after good sleep, my wife is dividing my attention at the moment taking to me
[02:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: No hurry; we may want to change things around and move some items down :) Look here to for Wild_Man's advise.
[02:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, will you look here and see if this looks okay please https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2429414
[02:38] <Wild_Man> No hurry
[02:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: looking ^ .
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Post looks good; see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-October/000250.html for the links to the repective flavours.
[02:43] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, what I need under flavors is the daily iso's for 20.04 and I do not think they will be out until next week
[02:43] <Wild_Man> Thanks for looking
[02:44] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah - will be a bit to re-tool the daily to eoan :)
[02:45] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/10/18/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-released/
[02:54] <guiverc2> Wild_Man, re: 20.04 dailies... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/ doesn't show it's availability, I usually try & stick a week on 'stable' before I bump myself & then usually look for dailies  (early in 19.10 the only thing I remember was gcc being upgraded & nothing showed for some time after that; early on I only look for prior release issues to re-tag for what was the new 'eoan'
[02:57] <Wild_Man> Thanks guiverc2
[03:04] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: xubuntu has the eoan daily out: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[03:06] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ^^ lubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ :D
[03:09] <Wild_Man> Thanks Bashing-om I need the ones for Focal
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah - sorry; think'n not up to par :(
[03:12] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, no problem, I understand
[03:54] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 49 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-49/
[04:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Xubuntu: Xubuntu 19.10 released! @ https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-10-released/
[05:18] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[14:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/10/18/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-released/ (by guiverc)
[14:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 20.04 Release Date & Planned Features @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=154842 (by Joey Sneddon)
[15:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kubuntu General News: Kubuntu 19.10 is released today @ https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-19-10-is-released-today/
[19:35] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kubuntu General News: Thanks to our Sponsors @ https://kubuntu.org/news/thanks-to-our-sponsors/
[22:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am looking at the section you mentioned last night and I believe the info here https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-mate-19-10-released-with-latest-mate-desktop-new-apps-many-improvements-527878.shtml is incorrect Ubuntu Mate is now using evolution and not thunderbird so maybe get rid of this article for sure
[22:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ack- will do -- will go back to work on UWN shortly.
[23:04] <Wild_Man> Okay, I am cooking now
[23:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Ubuntu Studio 19.10 Released @ http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/10/ubuntu-studio-19-10-released/


[01:18] <jjesse> that sucks
[01:35] <ryanakca> Erm, should the installer try to mount swap? http://pastebin.ca/621144 , If so, I'll file a bug saying that it repeatedly fails, if not, I'll file a bug against debian-installer saying that it tries to mount swap
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'd probably ask cjwatson about that in #ubuntu-devel, when he wakes up
[08:15] <nixternal> howdy!
[08:15] <nixternal> holy smokes I have finished a TON of homework today
[08:17] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:17] <nixternal> I will worry about that next year :)
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:18] <nixternal> did k-d-s break?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> shouldnt have, why?
[08:20] <nixternal> it is behind held back
[08:20] <nixternal> looks like it built fine
[08:20] <Hobbsee> then dist-upgrade
[08:20] <nixternal> I thought I did...I guess not
[09:25] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: pong ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I built and tested kdesudo, couple of issues....
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wassup ?!
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: probably :D
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first issue was that the fade appeared everytime, even if no passwd is asked
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I fixed that one easilly
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 other issues I can't seem to fix
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first is that the window isn't centrered on the screen
[09:51] <_StefanS_> I can fix that.. I already have that on my list
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like hardcoded centered for 1280*1024 resol
[09:52] <_StefanS_> something like it
[09:52] <_StefanS_> number two?
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second issue is that I when I put a passwd, and click on "OK" nothing happens, looks like hanging somehow
[09:53] <_StefanS_> but typing the password and hitting enter, works right?
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue when the sudo passwd is cached, so the global mecanism isn't broken, just an issue in the window validation something like that
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no doesn't work with enter too....
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy testing the package ?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> ok I will look into that.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kdelibs is patched
[09:53] <_StefanS_> yes
[09:53] <_StefanS_> I know ;)
[09:53] <Tonio_> oki gimme a second to upload
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I meant 'the patch is in the repos" :)
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I have installed them already :)
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I run gutsy.
[09:54] <_StefanS_> on my lappie..
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw.. how do you want me to fix the code ? Taking the current bzr, or your regular source package ?
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you'll find the package there
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: source package and bzr are the same :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you can fix in bzr or fix in the package, then gimme a fix, no issue on that point
[09:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I was just worried about source sync issues... as long as you handle that, its fine :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> yup :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> installing it now.
[09:58] <Tonio_> great, thanks
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you can reproduce the hand, just switch to a VT and killall kdesudo, that works
[09:58] <_StefanS_> uhm libkbluetooth0 had some problems installing
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: remove the current package and reinstall
[09:58] <_StefanS_> ok
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's an issue due to package transition
[09:58] <_StefanS_> ah, I see.
[09:59] <Tonio_> files changing from one package to another
[09:59] <_StefanS_> there seems to be a general issue with that icon-cache thingy.. almost all packages complain about it
[10:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup, but I fixed that in bzr, no need to install the icons for kdesudo
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the future for the other packages....
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_, Hobbsee: you still have a package each on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awww, damn.  i was hoping to avoid that one indefinetly
[11:14] <Riddell> I wonder how the daily CDs are getting on
[11:14] <Hobbsee> reasonably well
[11:14] <Hobbsee> after infinity fixes the i386 builder.
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think that kubuntu-wise, we're just waiting until the freeze, to do the testing
[11:15] <Riddell> i386 builder? the i386 CDs seem built
[11:16] <Hobbsee> the livefs' havent for a few days, due to using the old apt
[11:16] <Riddell> ah, right, thanks
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for kguitar, i'm waiting until upstream releases a new version
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I fixed that dialog centering.. could you test ? http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the diff is here: http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo-fix-dialog.diff
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing
[11:25] <_StefanS_> goody..
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I cant really duplicate that bug related to clicking Ok..
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: works fine here.
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum......
[11:29] <Tonio_> when you type the password, and click OK, the app launches ?
[11:29] <_StefanS_> yups.
[11:29] <_StefanS_> works great. Just launched adept now with administrative privileges
[11:29] <Tonio_> hum.........
[11:29] <_StefanS_> indeed :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> should be an issue with X or something no ?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> did you ever reboot after installing the packages ?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> or logout..
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[11:30] <_StefanS_> uhm.. we need someone else to test it then, just to make sure your installation is bad. :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> what about hobbs?
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it isn't btw :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> or Riddell
[11:30] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:30] <Riddell> moi?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: s'il te plait :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep.. kdesudo test
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing kdesudo test would be nice
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you try with konqueror please ? kdesudo konqueror
[11:31] <_StefanS_> sure
[11:31] <Tonio_> looks like adept works for me too, only konqueror seems to fail
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw it worked nicelly without the fade
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: centring the window works
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, konqueror launches fine also
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: glad it worked :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sh*t
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: guess your installation is not that good as you want it to :D
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I will implement the configuration items later today
[11:33] <_StefanS_> (fade in speed/opacity/fadeback speed)
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I was thinking .. actually it would be nice just to have a fullscreen fade instead of the wipe ..
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I might look into that.
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats because of the window type (WType_Popup has no borders).. but maybe we can turn them on
[11:35] <Riddell> kdesudo: symbol lookup error: kdesudo: undefined symbol: _ZN15KPasswordDialogC2ENS_5TypesEbiRK7QStringjP7QWidgetPKc
[11:35] <Riddell> got sources?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: like, not even the border that tells you the name fo the app
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: correct
[11:36] <Hobbsee> weird
[11:36] <Hobbsee> just looks a little weird :)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats normal for this dialog type
[11:36] <Hobbsee> ah.  wonder why i havent seen it before
[11:36] <_StefanS_> look at the logout dialog :)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> point.
[11:42] <_StefanS_> gotta run now
[11:42] <_StefanS_> be back later...
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: you might find the sources there
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no issues running "kdesudo konqueror" ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just hangs here
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I suspect something wrong with X or something
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how do i kill the kdesudo thingy, so it prompts me for a passworrrrd again?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so you confirm my issue ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it will not launch konqueror and kind of hangs on the password ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you have to go to a VT, then killall kdesudo
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: when no passwd is asked, it works like a charm
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, my problme is is that i've used kdesudo once, and it worked, so just automatically pops up the app when kdesudo is next called
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: Stefan doesn't seem to be able to reproduce, but that's the bug I have: )
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: pleased to see you have the same problem than me ;)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: now I can expect a fix hehe :)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> i'm not convinced that what i see isnt the intended behaviour
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i use kdesudo konqueror once, it works fine.  i use kdesudo konqueror again, it opens up konqueror, without the root password entry required, due to the kdesudo password caching.  this is intended behaviour, is it not?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is not
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so you don't have issues ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: damnit
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i dont seem to, nope
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdesudo just hangs here
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm convinced that's somehow linked to xorg, I have to investigate
[12:04] <Hobbsee> it sits for about half a second with no action here, then the rquired app pops up
[12:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki ;)
[12:16] <Riddell> oh, kdesudo needs a patched kdelibs, that'll explain it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which...is in the latest upload of kdelibs, yes
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: knetworkmanager doesn't let me connect to my wired network on today's live CD
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/123914
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123914 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager doesn't initially connect to wired network" [High,Confirmed]
[12:30] <Riddell> could be
[12:30] <Riddell> katapult showing up on startup is the other bug
[12:30] <Riddell> otherwise today's AMD64 live CD is all good
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/122898 is fixed now, isnt it?
[12:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122898 in knetworkmanager ""Configure VPN..." requires network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,New]
[12:34] <Riddell> dunno, no configure vpn option here
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes it is
[12:34] <Riddell> but I seem to remember Tonio_ working on it
[12:34] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's fixed with 0.2
[12:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I closed the relative bugs, seems I missed that one, sorry for this
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah, cool
[12:35] <Hobbsee> seems like a lot of bugs that will probably need closing there
[01:06] <Riddell> uh oh
[01:06] <Riddell> `id` isn't working
[01:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, poke
[01:28] <pygi> ah, yes, ignore me :p
[01:48] <Hobbsee> why yes, leave the channel.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it's not like i might be afk, and have been lax about my away status, as usual
[01:48] <Hobbsee> and dont /whois me at all, to check my idle time.
[01:50] <Riddell> I don't think he ment it like that
[01:50] <Hobbsee> oh, i realise that
[01:50] <Hobbsee> i'm just surprised that people dont check that
[01:52] <kwwii> you away status slacker
[01:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[01:53] <mhb> hi all, hi kwwii
[01:53] <kwwii> hi mhb
[01:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay, new artwork.  is this the final stuff?
[01:55] <Riddell> nothing is final
[01:56] <Riddell> the kubuntu logo on kdm at least needs changes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> right
[01:56] <Riddell> but that doesn't necessarily need kwwii
[01:56] <mhb> kwwii: although I'm not that sure that a two line menu is a usability problem (it seemed pretty well-known to me and other sites use it too, found redhat.com in my 1-minute search - but I'm no usability guy) ... did you try to solve the website menus in a different way?
[02:01] <kwwii> mhb: I think it ruins the design actually
[02:01] <kwwii> and looks horrible
[02:01] <mhb> kwwii: oh, does it? You didn't say so in the first mail.
[02:01] <kwwii> I spent some time last night looking at it
[02:02] <kwwii> the biggest problem is the usability
[02:02] <kwwii> whether one person thinks it look pretty is probably not as important
[02:02] <kwwii> what is the problem with using a side navigation?
[02:02] <mhb> kwwii: let's scrap the idea, then.
[02:03] <mhb> kwwii: actually, the problem I was trying to solve is that using both a menu and a sidebar is confusing (usability-wise) to me
[02:05] <kwwii> well, as the site is currently, only the main page has extra links anyway
[02:05] <kwwii> and those are on the right
[02:05] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, will do
[02:05] <kwwii> I admit it would make more sense if the links were on the left
[02:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry for not fixing kde4sdk, I'm having a hard time installing gutsy on LVM
[02:06] <mhb> kwwii: yes, but the current site is pretty chaotic, too - when it comes to menus
[02:06] <kwwii> mhb: agreed
[02:06] <kwwii> mhb: perhaps if we added some text to the ones on the right  (and therefor didn't have so many)
[02:06] <kwwii> they would be more like sub-articles than just links
[02:07] <kwwii> kinda like ubuntu.com does on the left side below the banner
[02:09] <kwwii> Hobbsee: btw, the artwork is not final yet
[02:09] <Hobbsee> kwwii: cool
[02:11] <mhb> kwwii: still, how do you intend to solve the two menus problem? By removing the horizontal menu?
[02:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: it has now built everywhere
[02:11] <jjesse> morning
[02:12] <kwwii> mhb: that might be the easiest/best way
[02:12] <kwwii> mhb: I guess that the first thing we really need is to decide exactly which links we need and how they are related
[02:13] <seele> screenshot?
[02:13] <mhb> I gave some examples in the comments there, although you probably read them by now
[02:15] <kwwii> mhb: it seems to me that if we had the "main" links in the right side with a bit of text for each one, and then had the "page" links in the horizontal stripe it would work well (especially because there are so few pages with "page" links)
[02:15] <kwwii> I think that 90% of people come to the page and do not click around too much
[02:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: oh, so it got fixed? (I got 4-5 emails saying build failed)
[02:18] <mhb> kwwii: I'm not really sure about the text, though. The links should be pretty clear by themselves.
[02:19] <mhb> kwwii: There is no need to describe what a "download" is, is there? :o) (Funny and stupid example, I know)
[02:20] <kwwii> mhb: well, the site is more informational than anything, so the point is to draw new people and provide them with the info they need...
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: can you tell me if you have issues in the shell output of "sudo konqueror" ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is what I get :
[02:20] <kwwii> I think there is a big difference between how ubuntu and kubuntu have done their webpages
[02:20] <kwwii> and I have to say that I think ubuntu is doing a better job
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/361
[02:20] <kwwii> it seems to me like the kubuntu page is an info page for geeks atm
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki
[02:21] <Tonio_> I wanted to understand what causes kdesudo to hang,
[02:21] <mhb> kwwii: it is, but I think it is for the lack of editors more than anything
[02:21] <Tonio_> let's make a point toonight ;)
[02:21] <kwwii> seems like that sarah chick did something wrong :p
[02:22] <kwwii> mhb: I do not think that we need to change the content that much on the main page
[02:22] <Hobbsee> kwwii: haha
[02:23] <mhb> kwwii: do we both see the same page that lists only package news, and has only a few lines about Kubuntu ?
[02:24] <kwwii> mhb: not sure I understand what you mean...are you talking about the ubuntu.ocm site?
[02:24] <kwwii> erm, com
[02:24] <mhb> kwwii: you said "we do not need to change the content that much on the main page" ... by that I understood kubuntu.org
[02:25] <kwwii> yeah, I meant that we would have to radically change things :-)
[02:26] <mhb> kwwii: okay
[02:27] <kwwii> mhb: we could keep the news parts as they are now, just put them a bit further down....above them would be the marketing slogan kinda thing
[02:27] <kwwii> the one paragraph we have now is interesting but does not lead one to click around much
[02:27] <mhb> kwwii: why would we want to keep this kind of news on the main page?
[02:28] <mhb> kwwii: I know it boils down to target audience ... and I thought we're trying to give information to newcomers
[02:28] <kwwii> mhb: I think we will find several people who want to know when the tribes come out, etc...we could also just limit it to the newest articles or such
[02:28] <mhb> kwwii: and information about Amarok 1.x.x being released is the last thing on their mind, I'd say
[02:28] <rbrunhuber> Where can i find any docs about using kde4 rc1?
[02:29] <kwwii> mhb: we could also get rid of the links on the right (as well as everything below the download bar) and then make the main links article-like text with links to the main pages
[02:30] <kwwii> one of those would be "news", so we could still show the latest article
[02:30] <kwwii> mhb: that would basically make everything that is in a tab now go down into the main page as an article with links
[02:31] <kwwii> mhb: and only the news would be updated often
[02:31] <kwwii> still showing only the latest news though
[02:31] <mhb> kwwii: I have to admit I lost you at "make the main links article like" ... I can't imagine it
[02:32] <mhb> I'm sorry
[02:33] <mhb> kwwii: still, I'd say putting (frequently updated) news on the main page doesn't seem to be a good idea to me
[02:33] <mhb> kwwii: take ubuntu.com ... how often do you check the main page for news?
[02:34] <Riddell> where else would it go?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> on a news page?
[02:34] <mhb> yes, I'd guess so
[02:34] <mhb> a news page for a different audience than the main page
[02:34] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: This is too obvious to see for men :-)
[02:36] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  What I miss badly is instructions on how to use kde 4 3.90.1. They were on the news on kubuntu.org
[02:36] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  This time the packages just slipped silently in the repo.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: so replace the men with more women.  easy solution.  :P
[02:37] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: it's because they're not finished yet and they're not available for feisty
[02:38] <Riddell> which I hope to fix soon
[02:38] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I'm using Gutsy.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: poke
[02:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee:  ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: were you going to fix
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: I uploaded dolphin fixing up some stuff, and I'll try and make it default for folders now
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: please, not again
[02:40] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: neat :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> i should run klipper - it probably wouldnt die
[02:41] <mhb> kwwii: we also have a different starting point with ubuntu.com in that we don't have any server version
[02:41] <kwwii> mhb: I agree with you on the news, just wondering who will complain :-)
[02:42] <Riddell> most of the news on kubuntu.org are just updated package and pages
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[02:42] <mhb> kwwii: the main u.c page, although a better place in general, still seems to contain too much text and no screenshots (for me) ... probably because of the desktop/server versions
[02:42] <Riddell> the package announcements can probably be merged into one page
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to perform the default choice ? kcm extension to choose the default file manager ?
[02:42] <kwwii> mhb: what I like about the ubuntu.com site is that everything you will probably click on has some explanation and/or is part of some text
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: make it the default is simply define the inode/directory association
[02:43] <kwwii> mhb: right, they have to do it that way, we don't
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't understand why I'm the only one having this bug with kdesudo
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works nicelly without the fade effect
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I syspect there is a bug, but hard to reproduce
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: quite possibly.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and i meant "were you goign to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 ", not the evil, long paste
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:44] <kwwii> mhb: taking a small lunch break, be back in a bit
[02:44] <mhb> Riddell: with a separate news page, someone could try and add more kubuntu/kde kontent
[02:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is fixed
[02:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdm is now localised
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: great :)
[02:46] <mhb> Riddell: after all, you seem to post happily about various news on the d.k.o :o)
[02:46] <mhb> I'm not sure if it is the right way to do, as I'm not sure what is the target audience of the news and what do we want to tell them
[02:48] <mhb> kwwii: another thing I kind of dislike on the ubuntu.com page is that it lacks the "marketing juice" too much
[02:51] <mhb> kwwii: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ -- it's the opposite (too much juice), but it's a good example of "marketing juicified" page
[03:13] <jjesse> i love the updated artwork
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Gutsy?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:42] <kwwii> mhb: true
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Whee. Fedora is shipping with KDE4
[03:46] <DaSkreech> as the only K desktop
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Should be fun
[03:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: now?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> For the next release
[03:47] <rdieter> DaSkreech: hopefully, if the stars-align. :)
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Kstars?
[03:48] <rdieter> hee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, but when is that?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Two weeks after KDE 4.0 ships I think
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hurry up...
[03:52] <jjesse> i bet dapper
[03:53] <ScottK> We'll see.  Sorry.  Meant that to be on #ubuntu-motu.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> holy cow....
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Blessed Beef?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> well, i either need to give up uni, or give up ubuntu, it looks like.
[04:05] <ScottK> Sounds better than sacred salad.
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Divine Donuts?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: How come?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: just got my uni results
[04:06] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:06] <DaSkreech> that sucks
[04:13] <kwwii> education is over-rated
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that's true.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Like R or like NC-17 ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: as in, i knew the fact that i wasnt enjoying it would show up in my marks
[04:14] <Hobbsee> but uh...this...this is just....
[04:14] <kwwii> lol
[04:14] <kwwii> that sucks
[04:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i mean, this is impressively bad, to the point where i dont think it's my exam they marked :P
[04:15] <kwwii> well, it does show that if you do something you do it all the way :-)
[04:16] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Maybe it's time to reconsider the major if you aren't enjoying it? </unsolicited advice>
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i failed the maths component the worst, which is a prerequisite for the physics
[04:16] <ScottK> Ouch.
[04:18] <DaSkreech> apt-get build-dep physics
[04:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i'm not really surprised - only that i managed to fail it that badly
[04:31] <DaSkreech> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/unsupported-rapid-oxidation
[04:43] <manchicken> Gutsy is panicking on me when I try to suspend.
[04:43] <manchicken> I don't know if it is being caused by driverloader or lirc though.
[04:44] <manchicken> Those are the only two changes to the kernel I'
[04:44] <manchicken> ve had recently.
[04:45] <kwwii> manchicken: perhaps you need to talk nicely to it so it doesn't get scared
[04:47] <manchicken> kwwii: Well, you could have a point.  I am rather intimidating, aren't I? heh
[04:47] <kwwii> :-)
[04:48] <kwwii> that poor machine
[04:48] <manchicken> It's an HP.  It bloody well deserves it.
[04:48] <manchicken> It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again..
[04:50] <manchicken> I'm guessing that spammers don't know that there's no such thing as the "United States National Medical Association."
[04:50] <manchicken> heh
[04:51] <manchicken> But I doubt that such an organization would urge me to buy any medications online... ever.
[04:56] <manchicken> We need a way to disable all accessibility...
[04:56] <manchicken> This crappy keyboard keeps triggering the number pad mouse accessibility functionality.
[04:58] <manchicken> Ooh, or I could just remove the keybinding :)
[05:00] <manchicken> Is there any interface to disable mouse emulation?
[05:00] <manchicken> The hotkey isn't working...
[05:03] <kwwii> SystemSettings?
[05:08] <manchicken> Naw, there's no GUI toggle for it there.
[05:08] <manchicken> Only the hotkey setting.
[05:09] <manchicken> I think there's a weird bug in the accessibility thing that my screwed up keyboard wondered into.
[05:17] <Riddell> http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71746/Offer_Kubuntu_as_Ubuntu_Alternative_for_Open_Sourced_PCs  now there's an idea :)
[05:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: When I updated pinentry to remove pinentry-gtk, should I have added entries that said pinentry-gtk2 replaces/provides pinentry-gtk?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> What would that require on Dell's part
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, that would have been good
[05:18] <Riddell> shipping a third OS option (not cheap)
[05:18] <ScottK> Hobbsee: OK.  I didn't think of it until after.  If I do a debdiff, will you upload it?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> sure
[05:19] <ScottK> OK.  I'll let you know when I have it done.
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Why not?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you've probably got until...working european day tomorrow, as i cant freeze the archive
[05:24] <Hobbsee> so i'll have time to upload
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you could just milestone the bug, then i'll definetly see it.  *g*
[05:24] <ScottK> Is it worth that?
[05:24] <ScottK> Up to you?
[05:25] <ScottK> I should have it done very shortly.  Doing it now.
[05:25] <Riddell> DaSkreech: why not what?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Why would a third option suddenly be expensive?
[05:26] <Riddell> DaSkreech: for the same reasons a second option is expensive
[05:26] <Riddell> balancing supply lines is a difficult thing to do, and made more difficult with each new choice
[05:26] <DaSkreech> I can understand that a second option is expensive but after that shouldn't the cost drop pretty quick
[05:27] <DaSkreech> esp if the hardware requirements for the third are the same as the second
[05:27] <Riddell> yes the QA would be for the next one less, but it would still be more in total
[05:28] <Riddell> the numbers involved would be rediculously small though
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, do, because i probably wont look at my exploding bugmail
[05:29] <ScottK> OK.
[05:29] <ScottK> Test building it right now.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:29] <Hobbsee> please assign it to me, then no one else should touch it
[05:30] <ScottK> WIll do.
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Numbers to ship or the numbers increase in total?
[05:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: both
[05:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Bug #126361 is ready for you to have a look at.
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126361 in pinentry "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126361
[05:40] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:50] <ScottK> Hobbsee: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=886
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ScottK: haha
[05:52] <ScottK> I thought you would like that one.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[05:53] <ScottK> Dig you want me to go ahead an milestone the pinentry bug or are you looking at it now?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> no, go ahead
[05:57] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Looks like all I can do is "Nominate for a relase", i.e. Gutsy.  My launchpad-foo isn't up to milestones I guess.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: milestones are near importance, and status
[05:58] <ScottK> Ah.  Duh.  Thanks.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.  Done.
[07:22] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with manage repos in adept in gutsy?
[07:26] <Riddell> jjesse: what's up with it
[07:26] <Riddell> ?
[07:30] <jjesse> i clicked on manage repos and nothing showed up
[07:31] <jjesse> hmm just came up
[07:31] <jjesse> that's wierd took a long long time
[07:33] <nixternal> get a faster computer? adept doesn't work on commodore 64 ;p
[07:33] <jjesse> !nixternal
[07:33] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:33] <jjesse> take that
[07:34] <nixternal> you guys are forcing me to go and buy Vista...I don't like statements that make me a liar ;p
[07:34] <jjesse> :)
[07:34] <nixternal> I have a Vista lover leaving comments on my blog though
[07:34] <jjesse> really?
[07:34] <jjesse> was it me?
[07:34] <nixternal> ya..erik...he says that Vista is easier to use and better than XP
[07:34] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Soooo you are giving out free money? :)
[07:35] <nixternal> from what I have seen, Vista isn't easier...at least it wasn't for me
[07:35] <jjesse> i think vista is a little bit harder
[07:35] <nixternal> XP, I set it to classic and it looks and acts like Windows 98 and 2000 for me, about the last time I really used Windows :)
[07:35] <jjesse> hmm quick question: in adept gutsy is the CDROM enabled by default as a repository?
[07:35] <nixternal> it used to be..
[07:38] <jjesse> i know, i'm trying to find it
[07:38] <jjesse> to see if we still need that section
[08:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: How do I fix the missing files (the kbabel stuff) in kde4sdk? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8481707/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4sdk_3.91.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:22] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: it's fixed in ubuntu2
[08:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: oh, ok :)
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu has a sequel?
[08:31] <ryanakca> hehe :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Interesting
[08:33] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: ?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> gobuntu will become the base for gnewsense
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Interesting thought
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Course it severely limits what hardware they can test on :)
[08:37] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Busy I take it?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2881
[08:55] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: Oh yeah.
[08:55] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: I'm trying to get something released here soon :)
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:57] <manchicken_> I suspect that a lot of projects are going to relicense to "gplv2 or later" from straight gplv2 so that this issue can be avoided.
[09:01] <DaSkreech> You would hope
[09:02] <manchicken_> I don't think that anybody who holds a GPLv2 who is sticking with v2 would really want to prevent anybody in GPLv3 from linking to their program.
[09:04] <manchicken_> I understand some folks really dislike GPLv3, but I haven't seen or heard of any asshats who were so vindictive that they would prevent the use of their programs in such a way.
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: poooooooong
[09:38] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[09:38] <_StefanS_> so wassup ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I investigated a bit concerning my issue, that's due to the fade
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as long as I disable the fade, everything's right
[09:38] <Tonio_> strange isn't it ?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> hmm
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect an issue with fglrx
[09:39] <_StefanS_> maybe its something of the math..
[09:39] <_StefanS_> nawp, I run fglrx as well
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which version ?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> uhm.. 7.1.0-8.37.6+<IP_ADDRESS>-8.3
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my kubuntu is very "by default" you know :)
[09:39] <_StefanS_> worked with the one in feisty as well
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does the fade stall the machine?
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm running 8.38.6-1+2.6.22-7.14
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehm like the UI i mean
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue, I can type in the passwd field, but it hangs when I push ok or enter
[09:40] <Tonio_> then I have to go to a vt, killall kdesudo and the command launches
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: forever?
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[09:40] <_StefanS_> hmm ok
[09:41] <Tonio_> well at least a few seconds
[09:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that leads me to think that the slotOk is reached
[09:41] <Tonio_> it may hang there
[09:41] <Tonio_> otherwise the command wouldn't lauch
[09:41] <Tonio_> right ?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so it works but the display is not updated?
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I tried to put the fade stop at the very begining of the slotok, didn't help
[09:42] <_StefanS_> hm
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like that indeed
[09:42] <Tonio_> expecially since when I switch to a vt, and back to vt7, I have a black screen
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like no refresh, indeed
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you try to compile it with "if (KConfigGroup(KGlobal::config(), "Fade").readBoolEntry("doFancyFade", false))" on kdesudo.cpp line 214?
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so that it uses the classic fade
[09:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there are lots of issues with the latest fglrx, that's why I suspect it
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: without the gray thing right ?
[09:44] <_StefanS_> fglx sucks hard.. I just asked in #xorg if that current radeon driver support my firegl :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue
[09:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so that works?
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I tested with bool doKDESudoFade = false;
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's really caused by the gray thing
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: could that be do to a kind of infinite loop or something ?
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep.. lets try to go on to rip out some code then
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strange it would just hang on my machine btw....
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe..
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fglrx have a lot of problems atm but that's for a good reason
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: amd put some money on the driver devel and they are coding very very hard on it
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so they are adding features now ?? haha
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that causes lots of troubles, but I suspect that in a short future.....
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: they do
[09:47] <Tonio_> but I suspect they have to clean the code hardly
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: If I could I would rip out this damn ati card and replace it for nvidia
[09:47] <Tonio_> especially since they may release the sources :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you really think so ?
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 month after I bought my macbook pro, apple switched to nvidia....
[09:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wanted to kill myself when I saw that
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tuff luck hehe
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cant you exchange it?
[09:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: dream on :)
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dell lappies can do that..
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but apple crap tends to be very problematic
[09:48] <_StefanS_> I owned two mac mini's, so I know about apple..
[09:49] <Tonio_> problamatic ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well macbook pros are not famous for having lots of problems
[09:49] <Tonio_> not more that any other brand I mean
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not besides the paint job and them running very hot, and ofcourse the infamous EFI bios..
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways, lets look at that code.
[09:50] <Tonio_> hum efi doesn't cause any trouble here
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay :)
[09:50] <Tonio_> and concerning myself, I'm switching back to your version of aiglx
[09:50] <Tonio_> we'll see if that's the issue
[09:51] <ryanakca> ummm... is not having an icon theme in a default install a known bug?
[09:51] <Tonio_> ryanakca: nope
[09:51] <Tonio_> not afaik at least :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: are you gonna switch fglrx first?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and did you compile that one yourself?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err.. made the deb ;)
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep since I'm conviced that's the cause of the issue
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, lets see what happens.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope I'll use yours, to be sure we have exactly the same config
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw once everything's done, I'll turn your code into a patch
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds good.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: since it requires kdelibs patch to build we cannot release the tarball that way
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, the kdelibs patch was something I would like to avoid, but then it wouldn't be possible to do it at all
[09:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you're using the standard version of fglrx in fact, the one from the repos ?
[09:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't knew it has been merged :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I am
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: latest gutsy stuff
[09:56] <Tonio_> oki
[09:57] <ryanakca> Tonio_: could you file the bug for me please? lynx doesn't seem to like launchpad :(
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: are you fully up to date ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I can see the config, you should have a cursor
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: btw looks fine here
[09:58] <Tonio_> ryanakca: wouldn't it be nice to check if that's reproducible
[09:58] <Tonio_> ?
[09:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: yep, updated, and I tried setting it the new DZM (or ZDM, forget the order) icon theme with the settings manager (moving the mouse and clicking randomly untill I got the right button). In the list, I didn't see any kubuntu named themes :(
[09:59] <ryanakca> alternate installer, btw
[09:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ok
[09:59] <Tonio_> ryanakca: do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed ?
[09:59] <_StefanS_> quality is very good actually already for tribe 2  ..
[09:59] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the update when without any change here
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: where did you get that latest version of  fglrx?
[10:00] <ryanakca> yep, I have kubuntu-default-settings, at least according to dpkg...
[10:01] <ryanakca> hmm
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first result while back to previous fglrx version : xv and opengl are working again....
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: got it from ati.com of course
[10:05] <Tonio_> let's try kdesudo
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still hanging btw
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still hanging btw
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how long time are you waiting before you determine it has frozen?
[10:06] <Tonio_> so that's not fglrx
[10:06] <Tonio_> :'(
[10:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: so let's try to confirm your issue
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: macbook... uhmmm
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: :D
[10:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the driver is in svn madwifi
[10:08] <Tonio_> I'm just waiting for a merge in the kernel =)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm waiting for some SATA code to get into the kernel also... so that makes two of us waiting for kernel updates :)
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways..
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I could build madwifi from svn, but I prefer to stay with the default to see what the problems are
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes.. I had it with maintaining my kernels aswell
[10:09] <_StefanS_> my own kernels.
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm also waiting for a patch to improve the speakers support
[10:10] <Tonio_> it's a bit buggy atm
[10:10] <Tonio_> for example, center is left
[10:10] <Tonio_> left is pcm
[10:10] <Tonio_> right is center etc.......
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when the screen freeze, does it flicker or in some way indicate that is has taken a copy of the whole screen ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> and pluging headphones doesn't mute pcm anymore
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: apple vendor lock in ... nice
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no indication afaics
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats why I ditched the mac mini's as well; just started to irritate me that little things didn't work.
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho just fyi, the "OK" buttons stays as if clicked
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok good !
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you try to put in a kmessagebox in the top of the slotOK code?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: see if it freezes before that.
[10:12] <Tonio_> yup
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: building
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what cpu do you have in that pacmacbook ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> core2duo
[10:15] <Tonio_> hum Riddell seems far away..... let's go
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: KMessageBox::error(this, i18n("Fuck the fuckin' fuckers!"));
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is the syntax correct ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe, yes. You forgot to write something about fglrx..
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it is not the cause of the issue
[10:16] <_StefanS_> together with those f*ck words.
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can be the CPU indeed
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is it a powerpc?
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: intel
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, so the messagebox doesn't show?
[10:16] <Tonio_> building ;)
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm doing a package everytime
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I know, that's stupid :)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes just do a debuild -nc and run it from obj-*/kdesudo/kdesudo -u root ls or something
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ./configure && make can do the job too =)
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: installing the package
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it worked :)
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super strange
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the box shown, then was deleted and then konqueror launched
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like there is a delay issue
[10:21] <_StefanS_> err funny..
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe my machine is just to fast or something.... no ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is there a "sleep" function in cpp ?
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hardly think thats the problem :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bah, maybe but the box workarrounded the problem
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont think so, the best is a dialog of some sort (apart from kdebug)
[10:21] <Tonio_> as stupid as it sounds
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the messagebox?
[10:22] <Tonio_> yup
[10:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the kmessagebox opened, closed and konqueror launched -> no freeze
[10:22] <Tonio_> without the box -> freeze
[10:22] <_StefanS_> wow thats wierd.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> wierd science :D
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: trying to build without the messagebox.....
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe its that hide thingy that causes it
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that the "hide" then hides the kmessagebox ?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[10:24] <Tonio_> interesting, trying to remove that one
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good idea
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: mayke a pray with me !!!!!
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: probably not, else he couldn't do anything other than that
[10:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure he does :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since I mensionned his nick just before
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: done scratching your balls yet?
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't hide ;)
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the "OK" button doesn't work anymore
[10:31] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hmmm... fixed, either by: 1) installing ubuntu-desktop, or 2) reinstalling k-d-s and rebooting
[10:31] <Tonio_> ryanakca: strange, something got wrong during the install
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any idea ?
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thinking.
[10:32] <Tonio_> that's weird, really
[10:32] <ryanakca> ewww. installing ubuntu-desktop makes kdm want to take gnome by default... :)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you try arranging the code like in SlotCancel ? hide, stop, kapp->quit
[10:33] <ryanakca> Tonio_: oh crud. It's back. I log out of gnome, and lo and behold, no cursor
[10:33] <Tonio_> ryanakca: weird....
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm trying to put the hide at the very begining of the slotOk
[10:34] <Tonio_> and then try what you suggest
[10:34] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it's what it does :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> hide at the very begining
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like the "this" differs between our 2 machines
[10:35] <_StefanS_> yep..
[10:35] <_StefanS_> actually I think it should just be hide(); without the this->
[10:35] <_StefanS_> I will try to build something here
[10:35] <Tonio_> shoudl it ?
[10:36] <_StefanS_> I'm going to test if it makes any difference here
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I didn't see that bug with the cached password because I set sudo to timeout everytime
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is no bug with the cached password afaics
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: no, you fixed that one yourself :) - I just didn't see it because of my local sudo settings
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just for info :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki ;)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: removing this-> doesn't make a difference here, please try it on your installation
[10:39] <Tonio_> oki
[10:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: tried with the this->hide at the begining, doesn't work
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: slotOk should definitely not have a kapp->quit().
[10:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second attempt
[10:39] <_StefanS_> so dont add that.
[10:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't of course
[10:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should I put the feedback stop just after the hide or not ?
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its just aestethics..
[10:41] <Tonio_> oki
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not really important for this bug we're trying to solve (IMHO)
[10:41] <Tonio_> ryanakca: doesn't gnome crashes your settings somehow ?
[10:42] <ryanakca> hmmmm... dunno. I can't see why using gnome should mess up kde, .kde and .gnome2 (or whatever they use) shouldn't come in contact... I don't think
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: to understand this correctly; the fade works fine up until you click ok or press enter, right?
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't work, with hide()
[10:44] <Tonio_> nothing changes
[10:45] <Tonio_> without hide, the button doesn't work....
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect the Cancel action to also bug here
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but the kapp-quit() workarrounds the issue
[10:49] <_StefanS_> hmm it gets me kinda puzzled
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I really suspect an issue with my cpu
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: trying to add the kapp->quit() after the command is launched
[10:51] <ryanakca> Tonio_: I've got my problem temporarily solved with 'oneko'... it's a cat that follows the mouse... so I have an idea of where the mouse is
[10:51] <_StefanS_> I find it really wierd that the Kdialog behaves like that... ok button not working and stuff
[10:51] <ryanakca> give or take
[10:51] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: haha :D
[10:51] <Tonio_> ryanakca: LOL
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah that doesn't make sense.....
[10:52] <ryanakca> :D
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: especially since I don't have any issue without the fade
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, but the logout works fine, right?
[10:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: not a problem with the theme ? you can''t see the cursor at all ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no isse, right
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there must be a difference somewhere
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not really, its all copy-paste :D
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not in the code, but in the way it is used
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interesting
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog instead of WType_Popup
[10:55] <_StefanS_> line 45
[10:55] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/362
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there no hang
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kapp->is by the end
[10:55] <ryanakca> Tonio_: nope, not at all
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, then it must be the remaining code run after that
[10:55] <Tonio_> that's weird, since it means all the code is executed
[10:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't the hang somewhere else ? ;)
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think so
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: must be in the remaining code
[10:56] <Tonio_> yup
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Kprocess things
[10:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but once again, only appears with the fade
[10:56] <_StefanS_> yes true..
[10:56] <_StefanS_> but how would that interfere with the shell stuff... wierd
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: one thing I saw
[10:57] <_StefanS_> try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog as I wrote, and test it
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the kapp->quit is executed before the fade does
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that the code is executed during the fadeout right ?
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing
[10:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: actually the kapp-quit() should just exit
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it does
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but not after the fade out
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: during the fadeout
[10:59] <Tonio_> is that normal ?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> ah, well thats because of the timer
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can't taht be my issue ?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> well maybe..
[10:59] <Tonio_> maybe the code hangs somehow if the fadeout is running
[10:59] <_StefanS_> try changing that timer on line 360 to : QTimer::singleShot( 5, this, SLOT( slotPaintEffect() ) );
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a way to execute the code step by step, as if it were a script ?
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing the popup things before
[11:00] <_StefanS_> well I havent used that, unfortunately.. so
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll know in 2 minutes
[11:02] <_StefanS_> damn this 80's channel is just cool :)
[11:02] <_StefanS_> di.fm.. the best stuff there is
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: works with a dialog
[11:04] <Tonio_> except I have a toolbar on the top of course
[11:04] <_StefanS_> WType_Dialog?
[11:04] <Tonio_> yup
[11:04] <_StefanS_> hmm
[11:04] <Tonio_> no hang this time
[11:04] <Tonio_> trying the second potential fix
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 	: QWidget( 0L, "feedbackwidget", WType_Popup ),
[11:05] <Tonio_> that line right ?
[11:05] <Tonio_> this is ere I changed it
[11:06] <ryanakca> Tonio_: http://blog.ryanak.ca/nomouse.png :D
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok good
[11:06] <_StefanS_> what an ugly cat :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I suspect that's a very local problem
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: good ? :)
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strange that a dialog works better than a popup no ?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well yes.. I know its not good.
[11:07] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:07] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hmm
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what is the timeout for the logout ?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the thing is that WType_Poup is just basic Qt3, and I cant why it wouldn't work
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lemme check
[11:08] <ryanakca> Tonio_: is it possible to remove all X related packages?
[11:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove --purge x*
[11:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: but you don't want to do that for sure :)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: maybe just apt-get install <package> --reinstall ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a kpopp thing ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> kpopup ?
[11:09] <ryanakca> Tonio_: well, at least remove everything related to kubuntu-desktop... didn't raphink make a script for that one upon a time?
[11:09] <Tonio_> ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:10] <ryanakca> ah, thanks :)
[11:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't work with the timeout set to 5
[11:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like hanging before that
[11:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the timers in ksmserver is (search in kdesudo.cpp after QTimer), 10, 5, 1
[11:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: changed to 5 but it doesn't work....
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope haven't seen anything about kpopup
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok.
[11:12] <Tonio_> weird.............. super weird
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: better sleep on it, I have to code some other stuff
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can understand, but we'll have to investigate another day I guess....
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure, I just getting way too tired.. my kid wakes up usually 6.00 in the morning, and its 23:14 here now. Gotta sleep
[11:14] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> sleep well ;)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> u2
[11:14] <_StefanS_> nighty
[11:14] <Tonio_> :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: can you beleive I just found the solution to the bug ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> poor _StefanS_
[11:18] <Tonio_> he will think about it aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll the night :)
[11:18] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hahaha :D
[11:20] <ryanakca> hmm.. nope. I guess I'll just have to do a new install.
[11:21] <ryanakca> wait... I already have my LVM set up. Can I install using the liveCD onto the LVM?
[11:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I think so
[12:00] <Arby> cool, I have a KDE flavoured gobuntu running on a laptop
[12:01] <Arby> wasn't expecting that to work


[08:21] <arthur-> p/w 19
[08:26] <lamont> doko: I have a gcc patch for you...
[08:26] <lamont> er, glibc
[08:26] <lamont> well, I will once I port it..
[08:27] <lamont> (I heard a rumor you have a glibc upload in the works...)
[08:32] <doko> lamont: ok, please commit to the repo
[08:32] <lamont> repo, even
[08:33] <lamont> doko: please add entries similar to the following to debian/control:
[08:33] <lamont> XS-Vcs-Browser: http://git.debian.org/?p=users/lamont/util-linux.git
[08:33] <lamont> XS-Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/~lamont/util-linux.git
[08:34] <lamont> and, uh, where is the repo?
[08:38] <doko> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain/ubuntu-toolchain/glibc-2.5-package/
[08:47] <lamont> bzr?
[08:52] <Mithrandir> bzr+ssh is a bit faster than sftp, fyi
[08:53] <lamont> so bzr+ssh://....
[08:53] <lamont> ?
[08:54] <Mithrandir> yeah
[08:56] <lamont> doko: my test build is running ( at least an hour before it gets to where -1ubuntu7 failed).  If you're impatient in the meantime, picking up chinstrap:/home/lamont/local-private-futex-lamont.diff won't hurt
[08:58] <lamont> who knows, maybe my clone of the repo will finish by then :-)
[09:01] <doko> lamont: not today anymore
[09:02] <lamont> ah.  bzr clone finised
[09:02] <lamont> finished
[09:04] <lamont> doko: care if I upload -1ubuntu8 with just my change?
[09:05] <lamont> one line patch to ports/sysdeps/hppa/nptl/tls.h, assuming there's nothing else
[09:07] <lamont> doko: and are you including changelog as part of the commits?
[09:08] <doko> lamont: yes, but no specific format
[09:09] <lamont> I'm assuming that the checkout did the right thing, and that what I have is a debian directory
[09:09] <lamont> given that...  There are a few diffs between the unpacked source I downloaded (-1ubuntu7) and the bzr tree...
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-debian/control.in: libc0.3
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-debian/control.in: libc6
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-debian/control.in: libc6.1
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-debian/: include
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-2.5-package/: locales.NEWS.Debian
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-2.5-package/patches: ia64
[09:09] <lamont> Only in glibc-2.5-package/patches: s390
[09:10] <doko> ignore the ones in control.in, the other ones should be empty directories
[09:10] <lamont> the last 3 being empty stuff
[09:11] <lamont> ignore as in "we don't care if my upload has them or not" or what?
[09:11] <lamont> ah, and include is probably because I have a build going where I rsync'ed glibc-2.6.1/debian from
[09:12] <doko> probably
[09:13] <lamont> do you have gcc-4.{1,2} uploads planned this week?
[09:17] <doko> lamont: yes
[09:18] <lamont> ok


[10:59]  * jussi01 waves to Pici elky Pricey nalioth
[10:59] <elky> o hai.
[11:00] <MenZa> elky: So, did you find some food, or are you still hungry?
[11:00]  * Pici yawns
[11:00] <elky> i found food, yes. it was nommy.
[11:00] <MenZa> wonderful.
[11:01]  * jussi01 wonders if Daviey or Pricey are here?
[11:01] <elky> hrm, i should dig up the agenda, shouldn't i.
[11:01] <MenZa> elky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[11:02] <jussi01> so we have 3...
[11:02] <jussi01> wheres nal?
[11:02] <Pici> sleeping?
[11:03] <MenZa> nalioth doesn't sleep. I thought that was common knowledge.
[11:03] <elky> he was awake a bit ago
[11:03] <jussi01> Pici: I was Pm'ing a few mins ago
[11:03] <Pici> jussi01: ah
[11:04] <jussi01> anyway, shall we begin?
[11:04] <jussi01> MootBot: help
[11:04] <nalioth> sleeping?
[11:04] <jussi01> nalioth: since when did you sleep'?
[11:05] <jussi01> #startmeeting
[11:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:05. The chair is jussi01.
[11:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:05] <jussi01> #topic Revisit #ubuntu-ops policies including 'no idling' & +v
[11:05] <elky> hrm... no wonder i'm confused, i have the wrong agenda up...
[11:05] <jussi01> [topic] Revisit #ubuntu-ops policies including 'no idling' & +v
[11:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Revisit #ubuntu-ops policies including 'no idling' & +v
[11:06] <jussi01> So, Pricey or daviey around?
[11:07] <jussi01> Ok, since neither of them are here, shall we leave this to the next meeting?
[11:08] <nalioth> let's move on to menza's topic and wait for one of them (perhaps one will show up in a few minutes)
[11:08] <jussi01> ok
[11:08] <jussi01> [topic] The official policy on #ubuntuforums
[11:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  The official policy on #ubuntuforums
[11:08] <elky> do we have reps from #ubuntuforums here at all?
[11:09] <jussi01> hrm, who was on the forums council?
[11:09] <jussi01> Technoviking: around?
[11:09] <MenZa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil
[11:09] <MenZa> Technoviking is the only one here, as far as I can tell.
[11:10] <MenZa> Of course, I wouldn't know if the others use different nicks for IRC.
[11:10] <Pici> jdong is around, just not in this channel or active
[11:10] <MenZa> He's not set /away, perhaps worth a poke
[11:11] <Pici> They're both in the US, so probably asleep
[11:11] <elky> i cant see value in continuing without the benefit of input from either one or both
[11:11] <MenZa> I'll have to say I agree
[11:11] <nalioth> Daviey: Pricey: you about?
[11:12] <MenZa> As much as I would've liked this brought up - a month or so more wouldn't make a difference.
[11:14] <Pici> I'd like to see it brought up too, but we really need a forums representitive here.
[11:14]  * MenZa nods
[11:15] <elky> MenZa, there is now an active founder, I believe. This may help some in that time.
[11:15] <jussi01> ok'
[11:16] <MenZa> If the next IRCC meeting is after the ForumCouncil's next meeting (November 5th), they could also be given time to discuss this amongst themselves
[11:16] <elky> MenZa, are you available at the time they're scheduled for?
[11:16] <MenZa> Might I suggest the Forum Council is e-mailed about this, with the information I placed on the IrcteamProposal page?
[11:16] <MenZa> elky: Their meeting?
[11:16] <elky> yes.'
[11:17] <MenZa> elky: Probably - it's midnight my time (or... perhaps 11pm, depending on when DST is), so I should be able to make it.
[11:17] <elky> MenZa, we will see if we can have someone put it on the agenda. if they can, you may want to be there since you're obviously invested in this.
[11:18] <MenZa> I'll note it in my calendar.
[11:18] <MenZa> (yay, an excuse to finally sort out my gcalendar!)
[11:18] <elky> heh
[11:19] <jussi01> ok, so the agreement is to put it on the forums council agenda and as many of us turn up as possible?
[11:19] <MenZa> I'd appreciate it if I weren't the only one around, at least.
[11:19] <Pici> The meeting time looks reasonable to me, I can try to make it.
[11:20] <elky> that would be appropriate, yes. I'd suggest "clarification on the forum council's jurisidiction in regards to #ubuntuforums. the irc council wishes to avoid stepping on toes"
[11:20] <jussi01> probably a little late for me, but lets see.
[11:21] <MenZa> jussi01: Midnight I think - DST ends on the 25th (here, at least)
[11:22] <jussi01> [agreed] Add "clarification on the forum council's jurisidiction in regards to #ubuntuforums. the irc council wishes to avoid stepping on toes" to forums council agenda and as many representitives as possible to attend.
[11:22] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Add "clarification on the forum council's jurisidiction in regards to #ubuntuforums. the irc council wishes to avoid stepping on toes" to forums council agenda and as many representitives as possible to attend.
[11:22] <jussi01> and Pricey Daviey's issue next meeting then?
[11:22] <elky> feel free to un-lazify my grammar in that.
[11:23] <elky> jussi01, seems the only fair thing to do, yes.
[11:23] <jussi01> ok
[11:23] <jussi01> [agreed] Revisit #ubuntu-ops policies including 'no idling' & +v  - Add to next meetings agenda as Pricey and Daviey are not here.
[11:23] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Revisit #ubuntu-ops policies including 'no idling' & +v  - Add to next meetings agenda as Pricey and Daviey are not here.
[11:24] <jussi01> ok, any other Issues today?
[11:24] <Pici> Not that I can think of.
[11:25] <jussi01> MenZa: elky nalioth ?
[11:25] <MenZa> Nope.
[11:25] <elky> i'm done.
[11:25] <jussi01> #endmeeting
[11:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:25.
[11:25] <elky> whee
[11:25] <MenZa> Well, that was quick.
[11:25]  * MenZa is used to hour-long meetings.
[11:26] <MenZa> But then again, that was politics. Impossible stuff.
[11:26] <MenZa> Life is simpler now.
[11:26] <elky> for now, not merely now.
[11:26] <MenZa> heh
[11:26] <Pici> Okay, see you all in a few hours.  Gonna get some more sleep.
[11:27] <jussi01> nini Pici
[11:27] <Pici> :)
[11:27] <MenZa> Night Pici!
[11:28] <MenZa> If only time differences didn't cripple coordination
[11:35] <josua> ola
[11:52] <xkennhoobb-it> hello
[11:52] <xkennhoobb-it> I'm installing ubuntu 8.04
[11:57] <Darxus> xkennhoobb-it: You are aware that #ubuntu is the place to ask related questions?


[09:06] <bluesabre> In 13.04 I can't resume from standby.  The only proprietary driver I am using is a broadcom wireless.  What package should I report against and is there anything in particular I should add to the report?
[09:11] <jibel> bluesabre, suspend bug is a potential kernel issue, file a bug with the command: ubuntu-bug linux
[09:12] <jibel> bluesabre, some guidelines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[09:13] <bluesabre> thanks jibel
[12:01] <rawi> Hi, I have no mail list account. Is it OK to post here a short bug/finding about the Kubuntu Installer?
[12:07] <rawi> Well I hope simply, that it will arrive to the right guys.
[12:07] <rawi> Trying to install Kubuntu 12.10 in the 1.st partition of a manually created mdRaid1, no problem with copying of files but although right chosen to put grub in /dev/md127 the install tries to put it in /dev/sda
[17:27] <hggdh> so... anyone knows who to contact on wiki.ubuntu.com issues?
[17:45] <micahg> hggdh: #canonical-sysadmin
[17:53] <hggdh> micahg: thank you dear sir
[23:48] <melodie> hi
[23:49] <melodie> I would like to ask about an issue I met with, which seems kind of a bug to me... I'd like opinions. Here is what:
[23:50] <melodie> I have an install with full openbox environment, and just a few pieces from lxde, not all; I have lxpanel among else, and my console is Sakura.
[23:51] <melodie> I also have tint2 installed, and a desktop file for each in ~/.config/autostart, which is ok : I can rename one to "-back" while the other is used (there is also a program which makes the openbox environment use the xdg methods)
[23:51] <melodie> now comes the funny part
[23:51] <melodie> I had lxpanel and wanted to start htop from the lxpanel menus
[23:51] <melodie> no htop
[23:51] <melodie> I start it from console, it works
[23:52] <melodie> next I try to add "x-terminal-emulator" after the exec= command, just before "htop", in the htop.desktop file and still no go, so I looked into the .xsession-errors file and there I see
[23:53] <melodie> each time htop is called from the lxpanel menu, it is lxterminal which is called
[23:53] <melodie> and it is not installed, but it will call each time this one.
[23:53] <melodie> do you think I can consider it as a bug and report it as such in bugzilla ?


[14:16] <dedalux> good morning family like this ubuntu community in Florida, I hope very well, I am a brother of the Ubuntu community in Venezuela and orlando'm visiting my family, and I would like recommendations of shops where you can buy and i need a technological keychains compaq laptop keyboard for VS6500 and charger where I recommend you buy
[15:35] <balloons> dedalux, I generally order things from newegg.com, or shop at microcenter
[23:35] <zoopster> anyone good with dput and/or dput config?