[12:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not in all timezones :P
[12:33] <Fujitsu> True, but in a few :P
[12:37] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's REVU day.  get with it.  :P
[12:37] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you should check out kclock sometimes
[12:38] <Hobbsee> -s
[12:45] <Arbiter> heya Hobbsee
[12:45] <Arbiter> :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[01:31] <Fujitsu> There is a bashism in unison:
[01:31] <Fujitsu> DST=${DST/unison/unison}
[01:31] <Fujitsu> What's a non-bashist way to do that?
[01:32] <bddebian> That doesn't even make any sense to my dumb arse
[01:33] <crimsun> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html#AEN19003
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Thanks, crimsun. I was looking for something like that :)
[01:38] <Fujitsu> It looks in the string DST for the string unison, and replaces the first occurence with unison!? What the...
[01:40] <bddebian> Hmm
[01:41] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> The second unison can in fact differ...
[01:41] <Fujitsu> But how do I POSIXise that statement?
[01:47] <bddebian> Fujitsu: I'm sorry, I don't know :-(
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Where can I obtain an old version of a Debian package that's no longer in the archives?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> :(
[01:56] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:56] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> hrm.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> Nobody maintains libhoard
[02:15] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: take it over then?
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  I mean the package, not the code; but yeah.  The problem is both our packaged version and one I bulit from newest source cause EVERYTHING to segfault re bug #59441
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59441 in libhoard "libhoard segfaults everything" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59441
[02:16] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i meant the package of it, actually
[02:17] <Fujitsu> wmtop had a Xorg 7-related change in Dapper. Debian has no such change, but it builds and runs fine in Edgy anyway. Sync it?
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> ok
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  it's still busted and the mainline devs say it works for them :<
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> I was going to prod the maintainer :/  Ah well.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hey Burgundavia
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Hi Burgundavia.
[02:19] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[02:19] <Burgundavia> hey Fujitsu
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i want to pick your brains later
[02:19] <Burgundavia> sure
[02:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> braaaains o.o
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Can anybody confirm that I should sync wmtop?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: got debdiffs against each?
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Just an extra dependency on libxext-dev.
[02:22] <Fujitsu> That's the only Ubuntu change.
[02:24] <Fujitsu> OKI.
[02:24] <Fujitsu> I've got to run off to school.
[02:59] <sid> And I went to Desktop/Preferences/Screen Resolution, but there is only one choice, 60hz and 640x480 ... I edited xorg.conf and tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart; but with the livecd this does nothing.  Anyone know about the dapper live cd?(the main installer disc)
[02:59] <sid> With the Dapper live cd for x86, I have an Ati 9100, and it defaulted to 640x480 resolution, and I can't even see the whole installer window.
[03:01] <LaserJock> sid: you should probably ask #ubuntu
[03:37] <bluefoxicy> sweet, hoard upstream is looking into it.
[04:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ping
[04:21] <imbrandon> ajmitch, un-ping
[04:21] <imbrandon> heh
[04:52] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:53] <imbrandon> moins ( again )
[04:53] <imbrandon> heh
[04:54] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:55] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[04:55] <Toadstool> and imbrandon ;)
[04:56] <Toadstool> how are you all?
[04:56] <imbrandon> great , a tad bored but good ;)
[04:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:57] <Toadstool> lol
[04:57] <Toadstool> what for?
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> sigh
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> something tells me this should piss me off but eh.
[04:58] <Toadstool> uh?
[04:59] <imbrandon> Toadstool, an upload for my package that closes a few BTS #'s
[04:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:59] <Toadstool> imbrandon: you should poke every maintainer then
[04:59] <imbrandon> i am the maintainer ;)
[05:00] <imbrandon> just not a DD so i cant upload
[05:00] <Toadstool> ah!
[05:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:00] <Toadstool> yeah i know that too
[05:00] <Toadstool> i wish i could keep on working on edgy/my packages :(
[05:01] <imbrandon> why not ?
[05:01] <Toadstool> i don't have a permanent internet connection here
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:01] <Toadstool> i've been in San Diego/the United States for only 6 days
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:02] <Toadstool> and i work all the week
[05:02] <Toadstool> hope i'll figure out something saturday
[05:04] <Toadstool> ok, time to detach my screen :(
[05:04] <Toadstool> cya
[05:34] <trappist> who knows what's up with compiz-kde?  the compiz source package no longer builds it, but there's a package on the repo that's uninstallable due to a dep on an older compiz.
[05:40] <zakame> morning all! :D
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[06:55] <Burgundavia> crimsun: ping (re: moodle)
[06:57] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[08:17] <crimsun> Burgundavia: pong
[08:17] <Burgundavia> crimsun: moodle work. Just filed a pair of new bugs today
[08:18] <crimsun> I'm not tracking moodle atm; what are the bug #s?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/moodle/+bugs
[08:20] <Burgundavia> 47812 is likely a non-issue
[08:20] <Burgundavia> but neither the dapper-updates or the edgy version instlal correctly
[08:20] <crimsun> -updates?
[08:21] <crimsun> the version that I worked on is in -security
[08:21] <Fujitsu> crimsun, wmtop had a dependency on libxext-dev added in Dapper, but the new Debian version (without it) builds and runs fine in Edgy. Should I request a sync?
[08:21] <crimsun> and I worked on it for it a week over discussion with pitti trying to figure out how to best unbreak the default
[08:21] <Burgundavia> crimsun: right, that one
[08:22] <crimsun> what was the highlighted httpd choice in debconf?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> apache2
[08:22] <crimsun> (should have been apache2)
[08:22] <crimsun> good, and it still gives that error?
[08:22] <crimsun> because I tested from a fresh install before pushing the update
[08:23] <Burgundavia> the dapper-security bug is not mine. I need to test that tomorrow nigth
[08:23] <Burgundavia> edgy one is mine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/moodle/+bug/59473
[08:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59473 in moodle "Fails to install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[08:26] <crimsun> I didn't touch the pg* stuff because that's noted in README.Debian under "QUICKSTART/DATABASE CREATION"
[08:27] <crimsun> both 51813 and 59473 fall under that
[08:27] <crimsun> I'm not sure if it's critical enough to warrant bumping into -updates, though
[08:28] <crimsun> and I'll go ahead and close 47812, because that _is_ fixed
[08:28] <crimsun> if another MOTU wants to tackle 59472, feel free
[08:30] <Fujitsu> Or could a non-MOTU tackle it, and give a patch to a MOTU to upload?
[08:31] <crimsun> for edgy, sure
[08:42] <Fujitsu> There we go, it works...
[08:42] <imbrandon> ...
[08:43] <imbrandon> brandon@birdofprey:~$ glxinfo|grep render
[08:43] <imbrandon> direct rendering: Yes
[08:43] <imbrandon> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6150 LE/PCI/SSE2
[08:43] <imbrandon>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[08:43] <imbrandon> brandon@birdofprey:~$
[08:43] <imbrandon> grr
[08:43] <Fujitsu> ?
[08:43] <imbrandon> wrong window, sorry fellas ( and ladies )
[08:43] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu, you got off last night before i could tell you, i uploaded a cupple of the merges you had on LP
[08:43] <imbrandon> brb
[08:43] <Fujitsu> I saw, thanks imbrandon :)
[08:46] <imbrandon> re
[08:46] <imbrandon> yw
[08:46] <imbrandon> man this computer is nice, i should use it more
[08:46] <imbrandon> specialy now the nvida driver is working ;)
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Now I've made the change that fixes #59472 (a whole one line, of course), do I attach the debdiff to the bug?
[08:49] <imbrandon> would probably be easiest ( i would just uplaod it now but i am not on my build box and i dont have my gpg key on this machine )
[08:52] <Sp4rKy_> hi guys
[08:52] <Burgundavia> crimsun: thanks
[08:53] <Fujitsu> I've attached a debdiff to #59472.
[08:55] <imbrandon> sed -i s/^\-/(unregistered nick)/g
[08:55] <imbrandon> grr
[08:55] <imbrandon> i need to really watch what window has focus
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Yeah, you do :P
[08:55] <Burgundavia> bug #59742
[08:56] <Burgundavia> bug #59743
[08:56] <Burgundavia> bug #59472
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59472 in moodle "Installs with php4 instead of php5, which is supported" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59472
[09:03] <welshbyte> good morning
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Morning, welshbyte.
[09:04] <welshbyte> hey Fujitsu
[09:32] <dholbach> good morning
[09:58] <dholbach> It's the REVU DAY!
[09:59] <Hobbsee> oh no.  i'm not here then
[10:00] <dholbach> Hobbsee: pfffft
[10:01] <Hobbsee> dholbach: :P
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach!
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[10:03] <Fujitsu> I've jost got the one package on REVU at the moment, it's been dormant for a month...
[10:04] <welshbyte> hello Hobbsee-like apparition
[10:05] <welshbyte> so whats a REVU day then?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> hehe hi welshbyte
[10:05] <Hobbsee> welshbyte: means that the MOTU's, of which i'm not one today, have to get off their lazy butts, and review the packages that have been sitting on REVU for ages.
[10:06] <welshbyte> ah, yeah i guess that's needed :)
[10:06] <Kagou> hi
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hey Kagou
[10:06] <welshbyte> hi Kagou
[10:08] <Hobbsee> just the person i was going to bug...
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: are you planning on merging sane-backend anytime soon?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: only a month?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: have you asked people to review it?
[10:09] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: any reason to?  We're past FF now.
[10:10] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what's this thing about you trying to destroy my poor feet?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: it's a new debian version.  is that itself included to get a UVF extension?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: to get rid of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/56317
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56317 in sane-backends "libsane.rules: Line 540 too long, can not be parsed by udev" [Unknown,Fix released]
[10:11] <Mithrandir> I thought I fixed that
[10:11] <Hobbsee> the only other debian change is a few grammatical fixes in the README.Debian
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: maybe in debian.  i just checked, i still get it
[10:12] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I certainly didn't upload it to Debian, now.
[10:12] <Mithrandir> s/now/no/
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hmmm.  right.  but did you upload it to ubuntu though?  :P
[10:14] <Hobbsee> er, wait.  supposedly you did, but it hasnt worked.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, no, I haven't. I've been busy doing other stuff lately.
[10:15] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: dont you want your feet destroyed?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: no, I like my feet whole and well-working, thankyouverymuch
[10:15] <Hobbsee> and because stomping on people's feet is fun.  as is poking them in the ribs, and tickling them.
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: looks to me like you have patched it, but for some reason it hasnt actually worked.  *shrugs*
[10:18] <Hobbsee> i had someone else getting the same error yesterday, so it's not my system
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: didnt i comment on this before?
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Doesn't look like it...
[10:26] <Hobbsee> i thought i replied in here
[10:26] <Fujitsu> I never saw any comment.
[10:26] <Fujitsu> And there isn't one there now.
[10:27] <dholbach> one APPROVED PACKAGE
[10:27] <dholbach> glest-data - now only glest needs some tiny fixes and they can both be uploaded :)
[10:28] <dholbach> it's not my package ;)
[10:28] <dholbach> i'll look at convertall in a sec
[10:28] <Fujitsu> I know it's not yours, but you approved it :)
[10:29] <welshbyte> is it like, hugs-for-reviews?
[10:30] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:30] <dholbach> I know we'll get some good stuff in today
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: there you go.  there are plenty of comments there now
[10:31] <Hobbsee> dholbach: can you check my comments for sanity please?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, if you're going to review it, you can tell me what i missed
[10:32] <Fujitsu> I've got to go now...
[10:32] <imbrandon> later Fujitsu
[10:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon!  get reviewing :P
[10:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i am, well i'm downloading kde4 snapshot atm, then i am
[10:33] <imbrandon> btw whos pete savage on irc ?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice.
[10:33] <Hobbsee> check on lp, i guess
[10:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/09/08/kde4-krash-debs-here-for-kubuntu/
[10:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you should learn how to spell favourite at some point.
[10:34] <imbrandon> heh
[10:35] <Hobbsee> they're the same as the ones on kubuntu.org?
[10:35] <imbrandon> its a link to kubuntu.org ;)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hehehe yeah
[10:45] <dholbach> Hobbsee: , Fujitsu: added some comments
[10:45] <Hobbsee> dholbach: right, yep
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dholbach: why no shlibs?
[10:46] <dholbach> it's pure python
[10:46] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:46] <dholbach> there are no generated depends from shlibs
[10:46] <Hobbsee> right
[10:56] <imbrandon> how many we got participating in REVU day so far ? hehe
[11:04] <dholbach> sistpoty and bddebian do good work in reviewing, gloubiboulga too
[11:05] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[11:05] <dholbach> was just talking about you :)
[11:05] <imbrandon> moins Gloubiboulga
[11:05] <Gloubiboulga> hello!
[11:06] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, oh, what did I break? ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> "sistpoty and bddebian do good work in reviewing, gloubiboulga too"
[11:06] <Gloubiboulga> Gloubiboulga "has done" some work
[11:07] <Gloubiboulga> I've been quite inactive on REVU lately
[11:10] <Hobbsee> i was never active on it, so can keep it that way :P
[11:10] <Hobbsee> never as a reviewer, anyway :P
[11:50] <phanatic> hello everyone
[11:50] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic
[11:50] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[11:50] <Hobbsee> StevenK: perhaps you should rectify that
[11:50] <phanatic> i'm stuck with a package
[11:50] <phanatic> created a skeleton with dh_make
[11:51] <phanatic> adjusted everything
[11:51] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Why? :-P
[11:51] <phanatic> and when i try to build the package, it doesn't get to the configure stage, it wants to compile it right away
[11:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: so you can review stuff.
[11:52] <azeem> phanatic: dpkg-buildpackage calls debian/rules build, you need to make the build target depend on configure if you want to run configure first
[11:53] <phanatic> azeem: it does depend on configure. i have another package with the same debian/rules, and after clean, it configures...
[11:54] <azeem> phanatic: is configure declared PHONY?
[11:55] <phanatic> azeem: it's not. but it's the same with the working debian/rules
[11:55] <azeem> does the working debian/rules have a `configure' script as well?  Check the time stamps.
[11:56] <phanatic> azeem: they are both mono apps
[11:56] <phanatic> azeem: they both have configure
[11:57] <phanatic> azeem: they both have the same debian/rules structure (the working one has patches tho, but that shouldn't be the trick)
[11:57] <azeem> do you have a configure-stamp target?
[11:58] <phanatic> azeem: i'll upload both debian/rules files okay?
[11:58] <azeem> sure
[12:00] <phanatic> azeem: http://phanatic.hu/ubuntu/
[12:02] <azeem> check whether configure has been changed/created more recently than config.status
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, do konqueror plugins need the .la files to run?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: no idea, sorry
[12:02] <Hobbsee> much
[12:02] <phanatic> azeem: ls -l gives the same date/time
[12:03] <azeem> phanatic: that could be a problem then
[12:03] <azeem> depends on sub-second timestamps
[12:03] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, no problem
[12:03] <azeem> phanatic: run stat on them
[12:04] <phanatic> azeem: configure is 2secs older than config.status
[12:04] <phanatic> azeem: modification timestamp
[12:04] <azeem> for both packages?
[12:06] <phanatic> azeem: no, that's for the package which doesn't build
[12:07] <azeem> does it have config.status in the tarball?
[12:07] <phanatic> azeem: yes
[12:07] <azeem> hrm
[12:07] <phanatic> it does
[12:07] <azeem> I don't think that is kosher
[12:07] <phanatic> shouldn't be there?
[12:07] <phanatic> yeah, the other pkg's config.status is dated for today (last build)
[12:08] <phanatic> just rm'ing it should do the trick?
[12:08] <azeem> maybe
[12:08] <azeem> try to unpack the source package somewhere else and build again
[12:08] <azeem> and see whether that works
[12:09] <phanatic> build the package you mean? or just compile the application?
[12:09] <azeem> the former
[12:12] <phanatic> doesn't work
[12:12] <phanatic> but if i rm config.status, it builds fine with configure
[12:14] <azeem> then you will need to remove config.status in the clean rule, or touch configure in the clean rule, or tell upstream to stop shipping config.status in the tarball
[12:17] <phanatic> azeem: make distclean removes config.status, but for the first time run, it fails (no rule to make target distclean)
[12:18] <azeem> because there is no Makefile yet
[12:18] <phanatic> exactly
[12:18] <phanatic> so i should put a 'rm -f config.status' into the debian/rules clean target right?
[12:20] <azeem> that would be a possible solution IMHO, yes
[12:28] <dholbach> oooqs2-kde ready for upload!
[12:34] <phanatic> another question: there is a source package which is currently in universe, written in c++, but upstream has continued the development in c#, and released the application with the same name and a higher version number. shall i create a different source package for the new application, or stay with the current name?
[12:49] <neutrinomass> Can somebody please take a look and confirm/reject bug 59171 ?
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59171 in deal "Please sync deal 3.0.8-4 from Debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59171
[12:51] <sladen> neutrinomass: keybuk should do it today
[12:54] <neutrinomass> sladen: OK, thanks - I'm not a MOTU so I was actually asking for somebody to ACK it ...
[12:55] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: done.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: i've listed my complaints on that bug, too.
[12:57] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Thanks, I missed that part (I couldn't find the e-mail describing the process at the time) :-)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: if you get stuck, you go to my LP team, and subscribe the team that i'm the leader of :P
[12:58] <Hobbsee> yay, my karma cracked the 600K mark.
[12:59] <neutrinomass> Try support requests Hobbsee ;) .... I cracked the 2 M mark overnight (they added karma for them, but they added *huge* amounts of karma for simple comments)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: heh.  true that
[01:00] <Hobbsee> what's more impressive is that 600K karma is due to bugwork only.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: whine.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> tseng: :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> tseng: why so happy about it?
[01:10] <tseng> i need it
[01:10] <tseng> for work
[01:10] <thom> tseng is just need need need :P
[01:11] <tseng> I'm needy, its true
[01:11] <tseng> speaking of work, i should go
[01:12] <Arbiter> slomo, ping?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> tseng: ahh
[01:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ping, when you come back.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> he's requesting a sync of a package that doesnt even build.  it hasnt a while ago, because i tried it a while ago, so got suspicious.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> it fails with build deps.
[01:20] <Hobbsee> then i will have finished my whining.  temporarily :P
[01:23] <gomek> Anyone here have much experience with customizing the ubuntu install cds?
[01:24] <slomo> Arbiter: pong
[01:25] <gomek> Probably a better question to ask would be whether anyone is a wake, hehe...
[01:27] <Arbiter> slomo, there are few issues with gnucash
[01:28] <Arbiter> which is maintained by you, irrc
[01:28] <Arbiter> *iirc
[01:28] <slomo> nope, i merged the last debian version and did a rebuild for new dbus... but nothing more
[01:28] <slomo> i don't even use it :)
[01:28] <Arbiter> mh
[01:28] <slomo> but what's wrong with it?
[01:29] <Arbiter> mh wait
[01:30] <Arbiter> *** glibc detected *** gnucash: double free or corruption (out): 0x086ef9b0 ***
[01:30] <Arbiter> i'm compiling gnucash 2.0.1 to see if it resolves the problem
[01:31] <Arbiter> slomo, mh
[01:31] <slomo> nice... tell upstream to fix this :)
[01:31] <Arbiter> and
[01:31] <Arbiter> slomo, but if 2.0.1 fix this problem i think you should update the package  :)
[01:32] <slomo> will do :)
[01:32] <Arbiter> yep
[01:32] <slomo> try building the debian package :)
[01:32] <Arbiter> alredy doing it
[01:32] <Arbiter> slomo, and there is bug 59404
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59404 in monodevelop "[UVF Exception]  Update monodevelop to monodevelop 0.12 " [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59404
[01:32] <Arbiter> :)
[01:33] <Bazzi> oh yeah, thatt bug is hot
[01:33] <Bazzi> I'd really appreciate md 0.12 in edgy
[01:33] <slomo> Arbiter: see my comment :P
[01:33] <Bazzi> great :)
[01:33] <Arbiter> ah rofl
[01:33] <Arbiter> :)
[01:33] <slomo> Bazzi: will come soon ;) but an uvf exception is not needed
[01:33] <Hobbsee> seeing as otherwise, anything that depends on a newer version of it, will fail. grumble.
[01:34] <slomo> Arbiter: or see the mail on ubuntu-devel i sent ;)
[01:34] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, kcmpureftpd entered in NEW queue :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: nice.  wasnt it there before?
[01:34] <Arbiter> slomo, hehehe :)
[01:34] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, i've checked it's status 2 days ago
[01:34] <Bazzi> slomo: I'm dev'ing a new application based on mono on edgy, so I appreciaty any updates that'll make it into edgy
[01:35] <slomo> Bazzi: what application are you creating? :) and just tell me everything you need fixed
[01:35] <Bazzi> slomo: an irc client, planned is sort of an xchat-replacement
[01:36] <slomo> Bazzi: oh, talk to mirco bauer then... he already does the same :)
[01:37] <Bazzi> got any contact information/homepage/specs of him/his application?
[01:37] <Arbiter> Bazzi, meebey.net
[01:37] <Arbiter> iirc
[01:38] <Bazzi> The server at meebey.net is taking too long to respond. :(
[01:38] <slomo> Bazzi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:38] <Bazzi> is he in early development or has he already started?
[01:38] <Arbiter> slomo, the irc client -> smuxi?
[01:38] <slomo> Arbiter: yes
[01:38] <slomo> Bazzi: he has already code and it seems to work ;)
[01:39] <slomo> Bazzi: but i didn't test it yet
[01:39] <Bazzi> :o
[01:39] <Bazzi> because our group has some crazy specifications and I don't know whether they can be integrated into any existing developments
[01:39] <Arbiter> slomo, i've used his SmartIrc4Net for building an IRC bot
[01:40] <Arbiter> but i'm still waiting for DCC support :P
[01:40] <slomo> Bazzi: just look at it and talk to him :) maybe you can join force so i can finally remove xchat :P
[01:40] <slomo> Arbiter: please ping me when gnucash 2.0.1 fixed it, i'll merge and upload then :)
[01:41] <Bazzi> what the fuck he had almost the same idea we had
[01:41] <slomo> Arbiter, Bazzi: is one of you using tomboy? i need someone for debugging a bug i can't reproduce :)
[01:42] <Bazzi> no I'm currently not using it
[01:59] <Arbiter> slomo, how can i help?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ping
[01:59] <slomo> Arbiter: does it crash for you when using as a panel applet (not in the notification area)?
[01:59] <slomo> Arbiter: for example in the context menu or preferences?
[01:59] <Arbiter> mh wait
[02:00] <Arbiter> there's a problem
[02:00] <Arbiter> i have the error message in italian, but translated in english is something like:
[02:01] <Arbiter> "The panel has found a problem while loading OAFIID:TomboyApplet"
[02:01] <slomo> Arbiter: thanks, at least someone can reproduce it :)
[02:01] <Arbiter> :)
[02:01] <slomo> Arbiter: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/59057/comments/4
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59057 in tomboy "Crash on tomboy applet starting" [Untriaged,Confirmed]
[02:02] <slomo> please do this and paste it somewhere, maybe on the bugreport
[02:02] <slomo> and then compare with comment 5
[02:02] <Arbiter> "Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Mono.Unix.Native.Stdlib ---> System.DllNotFoundException: libMonoPosixHelper.so"
[02:02] <slomo> wtf
[02:02] <Arbiter> (tomboy --panel-applet)
[02:03] <slomo> /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so exists for you? ;)
[02:03] <slomo> and you're running our packages not something else?
[02:03] <Arbiter> your packages
[02:04] <slomo> hrm... the file exists?
[02:04] <Arbiter> arbiter@darkstar:~$ LANG="en" ls -l /usr/lib/libMono*
[02:04] <Arbiter> ls: /usr/lib/libMono*: No such file or directory
[02:04] <slomo> nice
[02:04] <slomo> libmono0 is installed?
[02:05] <Arbiter> nope
[02:05] <slomo> wtf
[02:05] <slomo> please install it :)
[02:05] <Arbiter> hehehe
[02:05] <Arbiter> dependency issue? :P
[02:05] <slomo> yes
[02:11] <Arbiter> arbiter@darkstar:~$ LANG="en" ls -l /usr/lib/libMono*
[02:11] <Arbiter> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 101940 Sep  4 22:55 /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so
[02:11] <Arbiter> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   6684 Sep  4 22:55 /usr/lib/libMonoSupportW.so
[02:11] <tseng> slomo: depend is missing
[02:11] <Arbiter> slomo, so
[02:11] <Arbiter> i've started tomboy --panel-applet
[02:11] <slomo> tseng: yes, obviously thanks to my last upload ;) see #debian-mono
[02:11] <Arbiter> but adding tomboy to the panel works
[02:11] <slomo> Arbiter: perferences menu?
[02:11] <tseng> slomo: yes I see
[02:11] <Arbiter> but it creates up to 4-5 icons
[02:11] <Arbiter> :P
[02:11] <tseng> slomo: i knew it was your fault :)
[02:11] <Arbiter> it works
[02:11] <Arbiter> i have the preferences menu working
[02:11] <slomo> thanks
[02:11] <tseng> ok well they dont use the same code path
[02:11] <tseng> for the applet and the tray
[02:11] <Arbiter> now, it's time for trying gnucash :D
[02:11] <Arbiter> *** glibc detected *** gnucash: double free or corruption (out): 0x086f5fb0 ***
[02:11] <Arbiter> pffff.
[02:11] <Arbiter> <-- hates gnucash
[02:11] <slomo> :(
[02:11] <Arbiter> :P
[02:11] <Arbiter> slomo, can you reproduce this bug?
[02:12] <Arbiter> "File" -> "New" -> "New file..."
[02:12] <slomo> i don't use gnucash ;)
[02:12] <Arbiter> slomo, eh but i'm not sure if this problems appears only to me :P
[02:12] <Arbiter> *problem*
[02:18] <Arbiter> hm
[02:18] <Arbiter> i'll report a bug to upstream then
[02:18] <slomo> thanks :)
[02:18] <Arbiter> slomo, but the strange thing is that a friend of mine uses gnucash on gentoo (same version) and he doesn't have any problem o.O
[02:18] <slomo> hmm
[02:18] <Arbiter> slomo, uhm do you want the output of tomboy --panel-applet? (if useful)
[02:18] <slomo> Arbiter: only if it crashes
[02:18] <Arbiter> ah, nope then :)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> Arbiter: i read somewhere this morning (before coffee) that someone was uploading a fix for gnucash.
[02:18] <Arbiter> uhm..
[02:18] <Arbiter> because in the current state of the things, gnucash can't be used at all :P
[02:19] <Arbiter> can't save, can't load.. :P
[02:19] <slomo> bbl
[03:14] <kr4z> is today the last day for uploading packages to REVU?
[03:14] <kr4z> because it's REVU day?
[03:16] <kr4z> I can't really be around today and I have packages there :S
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kr4z: no, you can upload at any time
[03:18] <kr4z> ah, ok
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:33] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[03:33] <Arbiter> moin bddebian
[03:33] <bddebian> Hi welshbyte, Arbiter
[03:43] <dholbach> ok
[03:43] <dholbach> we have packages on REVU that have no input since january
[03:43] <dholbach> i'm going to archive them
[03:43] <dholbach> everything that has comments and didn't change since 4 months will be archived
[03:43] <Goshawk> dholbach: can you gime me my password?
[03:43] <dholbach> Goshawk: the page gives it to you
[03:43] <bddebian> dholbach: Go Daniel go!! :-)
[03:43] <Goshawk> dholbach: maybe it happens because people cannot comment them
[03:44] <Goshawk> dholbach: no it can't
[03:44] <dholbach> Goshawk: they could to uploads to correct issues
[03:44] <Goshawk> it's bugged
[03:44] <dholbach> Goshawk: type *something*
[03:44] <dholbach> then will it ask you if you want to get your password retrieved
[03:44] <kr4z> I wasn't able to get my password from revu either
[03:44] <Goshawk> dholbach: the REVU should give you a password typing a message to gpg, but there is not a message for me (and many other users)
[03:45] <Goshawk> it's bugged
[03:45] <Goshawk> i said that more than a month ago
[03:45] <dholbach> Goshawk: relax :)
[03:45] <dholbach> i'll test it and if it's really bugged tell the right people
[03:45] <Goshawk> dholbach: i'll show you
[03:46] <Goshawk> ah! now it's here
[03:46] <Goshawk> it's working now
[03:46] <dholbach> it's not bogged
[03:46] <Goshawk> kr4z: try again, now it seems that it's working
[03:47] <kr4z> hmm, now there's a PGP message
[03:47] <Goshawk> dholbach: on August 20 14:45 it was bugged
[03:47] <dholbach> might be, yes
[03:47] <Goshawk> i'm saying that because i'm the uploader of that package and i did have te possibility to comment until now
[03:47] <Goshawk> s/did/didn't
[03:48] <dholbach> it's all good now, isn't it?
[03:48] <Goshawk> dholbach: yep it works for me.... thanks guy
[03:48] <dholbach> ok good
[03:48] <dholbach> another package approved
[03:48] <dholbach> and now gloubiboulga is gone
[03:49] <kr4z> hm, I put that PGP message in the shell like it said, and it asked for me passphrase, but I don't see a password anywhere
[03:49] <dholbach> you typed your passphrase in?
[03:49] <kr4z> yeah
[03:49] <dholbach> you added "...; echo" to the command above?
[03:49] <dholbach> like it said on the page?
[03:49] <kr4z> yep
[03:50] <dholbach> it just worked for me
[03:50] <kr4z> after I put in the phassphrase, it just said this:
[03:50] <kr4z> gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID 73E2CF9D, created 2006-08-28
[03:50] <kr4z>       "Shane O'Connell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:50] <kr4z> None
[03:50] <kr4z> shane@dax:~$
[03:51] <kr4z> or should I not have pasted that into the channel? :P
[03:51] <dholbach> no that's all fine
[03:52] <kr4z> what does "None" mean?
[03:53] <dholbach> that could be a bug
[03:53] <dholbach> siretart: any idea about this? ^
[03:54] <siretart> it usually means that there is either no key or 2 keys matching on the emailadress in the keyring
[03:55] <dholbach> oh
[03:56] <siretart> I may be wrong
[03:57] <siretart> kr4z: what was your revu login again?
[03:57] <kr4z> kr4z
[03:57] <siretart> kr4z: no. it is always an email address
[03:57] <kr4z> ohh
[03:57] <kr4z> I didn't put my email in the login thing
[03:57] <siretart> then do so :)
[03:57] <dholbach> haha :)
[03:58] <kr4z> ahhhh!
[03:58] <kr4z> it works!
[03:58] <kr4z> heh
[03:58] <kr4z> thanks :P
[03:58] <siretart> :)
[03:58] <dholbach> siretart produces bug-free code
[03:58] <siretart> if that only was true
[03:58] <dholbach> man, we all know it is
[03:59] <siretart> the whole lostpw.py is an ugly hack, it badly needs to be rewritten
[03:59] <dholbach> StevenK: rails?
[03:59] <siretart> or perhaps I should configure sudo and use that
[04:00] <siretart> right, we wanted to upgrade tiber
[04:00] <StevenK> dholbach: Ruby on Rails
[04:00] <siretart> StevenK: I'm on a move, and I don't have internet access at home
[04:00] <dholbach> I don't think the choice of program language is the problem
[04:00] <siretart> I wanted to do it before, but I didn't manage it
[04:00] <StevenK> Indeed, I'm just being a bastard. :-)
[04:00] <siretart> you bat's turds!
[04:01] <siretart> jk ;)
[04:04] <tseng> StevenK: woo rails
[04:04] <StevenK> Heh, a fan
[04:42] <zul> dholbach: ping
[04:42] <dholbach> zul: pong
[04:43] <zul> dholbach: you can archive the xen stuff in revu obviously we arent using it
[04:44] <dholbach> sure
[04:44] <dholbach> xen-3.0?
[04:44] <zul> yep
[04:45] <dholbach> done
[04:45] <zul> merci
[04:48] <crimsun> Hobbsee: please e-mail; I'm traveling lately
[04:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: gotcha.  two small points.  if you're confirming sync requests, can you please mark them as confirmed?  also, you let through a couple that obviously ftbfs.  but the guys should have tested them, and i'll yell at them later.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: the confirming is just easier for what has and hasnt been done - seeing as you're not the only one committing
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and it's easiest to sort by status, i've found.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> so unless there's an easier way somehow....
[04:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: want this log emailed to you?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> geser: ping.
[04:50] <geser> Hobbsee: hello
[04:51] <crimsun> Hobbsee: will do. sure. ftbfs isn't necessarily a stopper; prior to the X.Org resync, we were syncing ones that would have ftbfs.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: true that.  i would have thought that it building was rather important though.  true though
[04:53] <Hobbsee> geser: oh okay, i must have missed that.  i wont yell at you then.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> i've got more of a problem with Fujitsu's sync request.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> which depends on diacanvas2, which fails to build from source anyway.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> so i've got no idea how in hell he would have been able to test that.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> geser: sorry for the pinging, and annoyance.
[04:56] <geser> no problem
[04:56] <geser> should I put that info in front of the changelog the next time?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> geser: that'd be good :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hey what, there are people saying "hey, this would be cool if this were fixed.  fix it please"
[04:57] <Hobbsee> that's not the purpose of the group.
[04:57] <tortoise_> I'm trying to write a patch for gnome-control-center but running dpatch-edit-patch patch patchname` gives me an error.
[04:57] <tortoise_> rm -f debian/gnome-control-center.1
[04:57] <tortoise_> rm -rf /tmp/dpep-ref.uI3696/control-center-2.16.0/debian/build
[04:57] <tortoise_> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop.
[04:58] <jono> hey
[04:58] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:58] <zul> hey jono
[04:58] <dholbach> hey jono
[04:59] <dholbach> happy REVU day!
[04:59] <jono> hows the day going? :)
[04:59] <jono> happy REVU day!! :)
[04:59] <jono> you guys kick ass in a way that asses are not usually kicked, with class, elegance and sheer force :)
[04:59] <dholbach> glest.org for examples KICKs ass
[04:59] <jono> :)
[05:00] <jono> I am hoping someone has picked up the new gst editor :)
[05:00] <bddebian> Yeah, lets get glest in there darn it! :-)
[05:00] <jono> glest, cool
[05:00] <dholbach> jono: you saw revu.tauware.de before?
[05:00] <jono> I am not familiar with how revu works
[05:01] <dholbach> you upload a package, it gets comments, gets reviewed, two motus give you a OK and your package can get included (if it's NEW)
[05:01] <dholbach> one MOTU if it's an upload of something that is in the archive already
[05:02] <dholbach> (and gnome-translate looks good too)
[05:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59508 in gftp "[Edgy]  Sync/Merge request 2.0.18-15 from Debian testing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[05:03] <jono> awesome :)
[05:05] <dholbach> we'd need stats on the page
[05:05] <dholbach> so who checks out the code for it and adds stats to the page? :)
[05:05] <bddebian> It would be nice if we could filter by packages that we have commented on too :-)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: indeed.  fix the last bug in -motu
[05:13] <bddebian> Hobbsee: ??
[05:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ie, fix https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gftp/+bug/59508 if you want :P
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59508 in gftp "[Edgy]  Sync/Merge request 2.0.18-15 from Debian testing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[05:14] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Oh, heh
[05:19] <trappist> anyone know what's up with compiz-kde? the compiz source package no longer builds it, and there's an old package on the repo that won't install due to deps on an old compiz
[05:20] <fbond> trappist, same with compiz-gnome
[05:20] <fbond> (IIRC)
[05:20] <dholbach> keepassx looks good too
[05:22] <trappist> fbond: no, it builds compiz-gnome (just doublechecked) and it's installable from the repo (doublechecked that too)
[05:26] <dholbach> *upload*
[05:28] <fbond> trappist, hmm, I remember something similar with my gnome/compiz setup at home ...
[05:34] <Riddell> who's the dude that runs the ubuntu-xx.org server?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> smurf?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> most of the xx.org domains are hosted on his server, some others host their own
[05:41] <Riddell> thanks jsgotangco
[06:01] <dholbach> :-)
[06:01] <dholbach> hey lfittl
[06:01] <dholbach> happy REVU day!
[06:01] <lfittl> hi dholbach :)
[06:02] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[06:02] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: nice work on gnome-translate
[06:02] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: just add dh_iconcache to it and go and upload it! :)
[06:02] <lfittl> yep, I know, unfortunately Debian BSP Vienna 2006 also starts today, so no reviewing by me today ;)
[06:02] <dholbach> lfittl: enjoy it! :)
[06:03] <lfittl> I will, thanks :)
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya lfittl
[06:04] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[06:04] <bddebian> lfittl: Did you see the replies on the Scourge forum? :-(
[06:05] <dholbach> hi Tonio_: happy REVU day!
[06:05] <Arbiter> revu day?
[06:05] <dholbach> REVU DAY!
[06:05] <dholbach> :-)
[06:05] <Tonio_> dholbach: hehe, okay I'll go there a bit ;)
[06:05] <Arbiter> yeah REVU Day!
[06:05] <Arbiter> o.O
[06:06] <dholbach> nice
[06:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: sorry but I was on my bug day in fact ;)
[06:06] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, I'm waiting for the new libtranslate build, and I'll upload gnome-translate
[06:06] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: excellent
[06:06] <lfittl> bddebian: no, had absolutly no time for ubuntu this week, will catch up with all the stuff next week
[06:06] <dholbach> kbib is in good shape - i approved it too
[06:06] <Arbiter> dholbach, REVU Day => reviews, reviews, reviews? :D
[06:07] <dholbach> Arbiter: exactly - and cleaning the page of old uploads
[06:07] <Arbiter> oooh good
[06:07] <Arbiter> review knowit :P
[06:07] <dholbach> Arbiter: so packages that have comments, but had no changes for 4 months should just be archived
[06:07] <dholbach> the lists are too long already
[06:08] <Arbiter> bddebian, ping?
[06:08] <bddebian> Arbiter: Yes
[06:08] <Arbiter> do you remember the packaging issue?
[06:08] <Arbiter> dh_makeshlibs doesn't solve anything :P
[06:09] <bddebian> Arbiter: Ah
[06:10] <Arbiter> bddebian, i think that those ktagebuch libraries are fine
[06:10] <bddebian> Arbiter: Have dholbach take a look :-)
[06:10] <Arbiter> rofl
[06:16] <dholbach> i'll have a look
[06:18] <dholbach> aeskulap looks good
[06:19] <dholbach> looking at ktagebuch
[06:20] <Arbiter> brb
[06:20] <Arbiter> dholbach, for any issue ask me in query
[06:20] <Arbiter> i'll be back in 45min (i hope)
[06:20] <dholbach> test building it
[06:20] <dholbach> looks quite ok
[06:23] <Tonio_> dholbach: it looks that I can't authenticate on revu....
[06:23] <Tonio_> looks like my password has changed probably...
[06:24] <dholbach> Tonio_: try recovering the password
[06:24] <Tonio_> recover function doesn't work -> gives me the python source
[06:24] <Tonio_> ah... this time it worked...
[06:24] <Tonio_> ouch, that's not fair...
[06:26] <dholbach> hm?
[06:29] <dholbach> added some comments about ktagebuch to the page
[06:29] <Tonio_> dholbach: looks like I can't recover
[06:30] <Tonio_> I don't get anything text to paste to decrypt :)
[06:30] <dholbach> Tonio_: what happens if you try to do it?
[06:30] <Tonio_> dholbach: there is no text to paste, here is the problem
[06:30] <Tonio_> look like my password is blank...
[06:31] <dholbach> weird
[06:31] <dholbach> Tonio_: did you write the proper mail adress?
[06:32] <Tonio_> dholbach: OMG ! I forgot I used that one for revu......
[06:32] <dholbach> :-)
[06:32] <Tonio_> dholbach: sorry, that's the evidence I don't revu a lot since I forget the registered one ^^
[06:36] <bddebian> Tonio_: You're fired ;-)
[06:37] <Tonio_> bddebian: haha :)
[07:10] <dholbach> how's the REVUing going?
[07:10] <dholbach> any other success stories?
[07:10] <dholbach> if you approve a package and only need another review, just shout
[07:10] <dholbach> same for people who are here and want their package reviewed
[07:11] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[07:12] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[07:12] <bddebian> AnAnt: yo
[07:12] <AnAnt> bddebian: how's acon ?
[07:12] <bddebian> AnAnt: My apologies, I haven't been able to get back to it
[07:14] <AnAnt> bddebian: ok
[07:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2971 looks good to me
[07:14] <AnAnt> still tied up @ work ?
[07:14] <fbond> midisport-firmware should be ready to go!
[07:14] <bddebian> AnAnt: Yep :(
[07:14] <fbond> if someone wants to take a look: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3062
[07:15] <Tonio_> fbond: looking
[07:15] <dholbach> nice, let's get some action into REVU day
[07:16] <fbond> Tonio_, thanks!
[07:16] <dholbach> Tonio_: looking at knowit
[07:16] <AnAnt> will someone have a look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3005
[07:17] <fbond> cheers revu-ers, keep up the good work!
[07:17] <AnAnt> who is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[07:18] <dholbach> that's me :)
[07:18] <AnAnt> dholbach: ok, I'm the guy who uploaded elinks
[07:18] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:18] <dholbach> well yeah
[07:18] <dholbach> we can't let main stuff depend on universe stuff
[07:18] <Spec><EMAIL_ADDRESS>	 Nicholas: any update?
[07:18] <dholbach> and build-depends as well
[07:19] <Spec> my laptop died and so work halted, i'll get a new version up within this next week
[07:19] <AnAnt> dholbach: oh, so the problem is in the build-depends ?
[07:19] <dholbach> Spec: rock on
[07:19] <dholbach> AnAnt: yes, at least one lib was in universe
[07:19] <AnAnt> dholbach: because the elinks package does not depend on Universe stuff, only elinks-full (& maybe elinks-lite) depend on Universe stuff
[07:19] <AnAnt> dholbach: yes, that's true the build-depends have some universe stuff
[07:20] <dholbach> AnAnt: doesn't matter - the source is in main
[07:20] <AnAnt> dholbach: I didn't know that this is the problem
[07:20] <dholbach> source in main can't build-dep / dep on stuff in universe
[07:20] <AnAnt> :s/the/a
[07:20] <dholbach> that's at least one problem
[07:20] <AnAnt> dholbach: ok, so is there a solution for this ?
[07:20] <dholbach> if you feel really strongly about it, you need to file a main inclusion report
[07:20] <AnAnt> dholbach: what's that ?
[07:21] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[07:21] <dholbach> it needs to get reviewed and it's better if we have a real maintainer for those libraries
[07:21] <dholbach> as 'moving to main' means: this is supported stuff
[07:22] <AnAnt> yeah, I doubt that this is possible
[07:22] <AnAnt> isn't there another solution ?
[07:22] <AnAnt> should I create another source package & call it elinks-full for example ?
[07:22] <dholbach> that'd mean having the source two times in the archive :/
[07:23] <AnAnt> yeah
[07:23] <AnAnt> well, is there another solution ?
[07:23] <AnAnt> other than "forget it" of course
[07:24] <dholbach> those are all solutions
[07:24] <bersace> Hello
[07:26] <AnAnt> those ?
[07:26] <AnAnt> you mean the solution I proposed (ie. having the source twice) is an acceptable solution ?
[07:28] <bersace> i want to upload a new package to universe, howto ?
[07:28] <AnAnt> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:30] <bersace> hmm, so if i want to upload a package, i become a MOTU ?
[07:30] <AnAnt> you have to become a MOTU to be able to upload
[07:30] <AnAnt> not vice versa
[07:32] <fbond> bersace: what you really want is to upload a package to revu, and have a MOTU upload it to revu (after approving it)
[07:33] <fbond> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/Policy
[07:33] <bersace> fbond: i spent all today packaging gnomescan and i just propose to include sources deb
[07:35] <dholbach> Tonio_: knowit is good work (just an added dh_iconcache would be nice)
[07:36] <dholbach> fbond: why does it build-dep on udev?
[07:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: dh_iconcache is now in kde.mk
[07:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: it uses debhelper only
[07:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: oups, I missed that, sorry. you're right
[07:36] <dholbach> apart from that it's good to go
[07:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: you want to add it and upload it and make a note in the changelog you changed it? just so we can get going?
[07:36] <dholbach>  :-)
[07:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: will do ;)
[07:37] <dholbach> rock and roll :-)
[07:37] <crimsun> I suspect the udev b-d is (incorrectly) for /etc/udev/rules.d/, which can be created using dh_installdirs(1)
[07:37] <dholbach> it build-dep on things thare in depends as well
[07:38] <dholbach> s/thare/that are
[07:38] <dholbach> <-- too much REVU today ;)
[07:39] <crimsun> scarily enough I autotranslated that to "that are" :)
[07:40] <crimsun> didn't even notice til you pointed it out
[07:40] <dholbach> haha :-)
[07:45] <Tonio_> dholbach: knowit uploaded
[07:45] <dholbach> Tonio_: super!
[07:46] <Arbiter> back
[07:47] <Arbiter> dholbach, * splitting out the libraries would be good.
[07:47] <Arbiter> why? libktagebuch is required
[07:47] <Arbiter> and we have only one plugin
[07:47] <Arbiter> :P
[07:48] <fbond> dholbach, good question, hang on
[07:48] <dholbach> Arbiter: it ships libraries itself
[07:48] <dholbach> Arbiter: it'd be good if those were in a separate binary package
[07:48] <Tonio_> dholbach: I forgot to mention I did the change in changelog, but that's not very important since it is initial package
[07:49] <fbond> dholbach, midisport-firmware build-dep's on udev because ./configure fails without it
[07:49] <dholbach> Tonio_: that's cool
[07:49] <dholbach> fbond: ahhhhhhh ok
[07:49] <fbond> I guess there's probably a configure option to force it to not bother looking
[07:49] <fbond> lemme check
[07:49] <Arbiter> was knowit uploaded?
[07:50] <fbond> hmm, there is no configure option, but I could just comment that bit ...
[07:50] <fbond> not really good practice, though, IMO
[07:50] <dholbach> it's ok, not that bad
[07:50] <fbond> ok, thanks
[07:50] <Arbiter> dholbach, ktagebuch and ktagebuch-plugins would be ok?
[07:50] <Tonio_> fbond: midisport-firmware advocated
[07:51] <crimsun> has fbond added the README.Debian note regarding usbfs if you've advocated it?
[07:52] <Arbiter> in your opinion, what should i do with debian-servicemenu and attach-to-email servicemenu?
[07:52] <Tonio_> Arbiter: yes I uploaded it
[07:52] <Arbiter> (they don't have any copyright notice nor GPL comments)
[07:53] <Arbiter> website says "GPL", upstream was asked for such comments but i didn't get any answer
[07:53] <Arbiter> Tonio_, thanks
[07:54] <Tonio_> fbond: maybe I missed the udev build dependancy not required...
[07:55] <fbond> crimsun, I was not aware that was necessary, but can certainly add it...
[07:56] <fbond> I was under the impression the usbfs issue would be resolved for edgy?
[07:56] <crimsun> who's resolving it?
[07:56] <fbond> I thought you mentioned a name, don't recall it though...
[07:57] <crimsun> clemens ladisch.
[07:57] <fbond> yes, that's the one
[07:57] <fbond> What note should I add to README.Debian?
[07:57] <crimsun> if he doesn't fix it, I'll have to. As it is, the package is unusable without usbfs explicitly mounted.
[07:58] <crimsun> you need to note that in README.Debian, because Edgy no longer mounts usbfs on boot.
[07:58] <fbond> So it would be handy to say so in README.Debian; now I understand.  However, if the issue is in fact resolved, would that note be undesirable?
[07:58] <fbond> ok
[07:58] <fbond> I will add it and re-upload
[07:58] <fbond> MOTUs, please check midisport-firmware again in 20 mins or so.
[07:59] <crimsun> it's not resolved at all, and if it's uploaded in its current advocated state, it certainly won't have been fixed.
[07:59] <Arbiter> dholbach, "* is ./usr/share/apps/ktagebuch/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/actions/newestentry.png the right path" mh i think that this icon is specific to ktagebuch
[08:00] <dholbach> hm, it just sounds weird
[08:11] <fbond> crimsun, I've just uploaded another revision of midisport-firmware.  It has not yet appeared on revu, however, if you'd like to take a peak at the README.Debian, I'd appreciate it...
[08:11] <fbond> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3062
[08:12] <fbond> s/peak/peek :)
[08:12] <crimsun> I will as soon as I land in Atlanta; currently at an airport.
[08:12] <Arbiter> dholbach, heh :)
[08:13] <fbond> crimsun, cool, and thanks.  Hope your travels are ok.
[08:24] <Arbiter> dholbach, which libs should i move?
[08:24] <Arbiter> libktagebuch, libfilesystem or only the plugin?
[08:32] <dholbach> sorry Arbiter, I'm about to leave to meet for dinner
[08:32] <dholbach> i hope somebody else will you help with that package
[08:35] <dholbach> have a nice weekend guys
[08:35] <crimsun> bye, daniel
[08:35] <dholbach> bye daniel!
[08:36] <bersace> Hello boys
[08:36] <bersace> i uploaded gnomescan to revu using dput
[08:36] <bersace> and i wonder what next
[08:36] <bddebian> How do you know we aren't all girls? :-)
[08:36] <bersace> lol
[08:36] <bersace> sorry for all girls
[08:37] <bddebian> :-)
[08:37] <bersace> (i like Hello boys for the reference to the song Queen's Navy :P)
[08:40] <bersace> so, what next after dput ?
[08:40] <bersace> i don't even see the package at revu page :(
[08:41] <bersace> ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/
[08:42] <bersace> strange. it doesn't show orig.tar.gz neither ubuntu2 upload (which fix a typo in gimp plugin instal
[08:42] <bersace> l)
[08:42] <bddebian> Did you do a -S -sa on debuild/dpkg-buildpackage?
[08:43] <bersace> i did debuild -S
[08:43] <bddebian> You need -sa to include the original source
[08:44] <bersace> ok
[08:46] <bersace> bddebian: ok uploaded and next ?
[08:46] <bddebian> Wait for it to show up and get reviewed :-)
[08:48] <bersace> nice :D
[08:55] <fbond> bddebian, want to put your stamp of approval on midisport-firmware for kicks?  I'd like crimsun to look at it eventually, but maybe I can get one out of the way in the meantime ... ?
[08:56] <bddebian> fbond: I'll try to tonight, I have a meeting here in a few minutes :-(
[09:05] <fbond> bddebian, ok, thanks
[10:47] <Deeah> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TGljnZ74.html , I tried to sudo apt-get buld-dep xchat-gnome, and it did not work. What is wrong?
[10:49] <phanatic> evening
[10:50] <Deeah> evening phanatic
[10:50] <Deeah> phanatic: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TGljnZ74.html , I tried to sudo apt-get buld-dep xchat-gnome, and it did not work. What is wrong?
[10:50] <phanatic> hi Deeah, let me have a look...
[10:51] <phanatic> Deeah: maybe you need to add dapper-updates repository, too?
[10:53] <geser> Deeah: use apt-cache showsrc xchat-gnome to get the build-depends listed and install them manually to find out which one is broken or missing
[10:56] <ryanakca> anybody have a link to the queue (launchpad/something/+queue)
[10:56] <Deeah> awesome thanks a lot phanatic and geser; I appreciate the help.
[11:04] <geser> ryanakca: that one? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[11:33] <ryanakca> geser: yes, thanks
[11:39] <Jon335> How would I get KTouch backported from Edgy to Dapper?
[11:43] <Riddell> Jon335: why?
[11:44] <Riddell> Jon335: kde 3.5.4 packages are available from kubuntu.org
[11:47] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:48] <phanatic> morning ajmitch
[11:52] <ivoks> morning
[11:52] <ivoks> and good night :)
[11:55] <Jon335> Riddell: For use in Edubuntu
[11:55] <phanatic> hey ivoks, i'll send you a mail in a few minutes :)
[11:56] <Riddell> Jon335: just get it from kubuntu.org
[12:02] <ivoks> phanatic: sure, i will
[12:02] <phanatic> ivoks: thanks
[12:02] <ivoks> np
[12:03] <coyctecm> i need help anyknows where is the functionality which metacity use when it checks is window responding or not


[03:08] <tjaalton> gotta lave the uplink here at the hotel
[03:08] <tjaalton> *love
[03:12] <tjaalton> 'xorg' uploaded to my ppa, so maybe the stuff there will be installable soon
[04:00] <tjaalton> ok, so vmware bought tungsten graphics a couple of weeks ago
[04:00] <tjaalton> wonder what that'll mean


[00:21] <m_3> davecheney: good to hear
[00:25] <davecheney> m_3: i can't remember what I said :)
[00:25] <davecheney> it was yesterday
[00:27] <davecheney> grr, hp cloud is having a loe down
[00:27] <davecheney> it can't talk to anything outside the network
[00:27] <davecheney> which makes bootstrapping a bit problematic
[10:30] <davecheney> Apr 28 10:29:56 juju-goscale2-machine-0 mongod.37017[9332]: Sun Apr 28 10:29:56 [conn1999] query
[10:30] <davecheney> juju.txns.log query: { $query: {}, $orderby: { $natural: -1 } } cursorid:6469952084798152748 ntor
[10:30] <davecheney> eturn:10 ntoskip:0 nscanned:11 keyUpdates:0 numYields: 1 locks(micros) r:486329 nreturned:10 resl
[10:30] <davecheney> en:948 267ms
[10:30] <davecheney> are these log times bad ?
[20:53] <fwereade> davecheney, morning
[20:54] <fwereade> davecheney, I was wondering if you considered https://codereview.appspot.com/8953044 suitably trivial? it was agreed in the discussions preceding the original CL but we forgot to actually implement it then :/
[20:55]  * fwereade goes to do housey things for a bit, will be back soon
[21:10] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, heyhey
[21:10] <rogpeppe1> yo!
[21:10] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, how's it going?
[21:11] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: trying to write family emails and you're a welcome distraction :-)
[21:11] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: how's you?
[21:11] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I consider https://codereview.appspot.com/8953044 to be plausibly trivial, because this was always the agreed behaviour AIUI: https://codereview.appspot.com/8953044
[21:11] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I's good :)
[21:11]  * rogpeppe1 is not looking at anything work related just now
[21:11] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, a few cylinders are starting to fire again
[21:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, no worries :)
[21:12] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: that's good. you must've burned out a few
[21:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, had a nice weekend, lots of laura time
[21:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, was definitely needed
[21:13] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: we had a nice weekend building smart new veg beds from old scaff boards
[21:13] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, excellent
[21:14] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: not quite done yet, but excellent progress made (and some celebratory g&ts as the sun went down)
[21:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I've been reading jonathan strange and mr norrell
[21:14] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: good innit?
[21:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, it's rather good I think
[21:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, oh yes
[21:15] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i kinda stole it off my sister in law one xmas (she'd just been given it) and read it far too fast before she noticed
[21:15] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i'm on the fourth bear
[21:15] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: but not v far in
[21:15] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, haha, nice, I have done that on a few occasions
[21:17] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, it is not impossible that you will cast it aside with a bewildered WTF, I am not sure how much my enjoyment of that one was based on knowledge of the wider world from his other books
[21:17] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: the fire is flaming nicely and the foster cat is happily snoozing on the sofa.
[21:17] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: we'll see
[21:17] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i'm reserving judgement for the moment
[21:18] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: the context i had from you has been useful
[21:18] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, yeah, I don't think that's explained at all
[21:18] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, at least not when you kinda need to know it
[21:18] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i think there was one brief aside
[21:19] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: interesting to see results of dave's stress tests.
[21:19] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, definitely
[21:19] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: oops, work related.
[21:20] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: must write email :-)
[21:20] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, do we ever need that internal api :)
[21:20] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: indeed
[21:20] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I have a few threads I need to draw together myself
[21:20] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i was happy that the gui seemed to work fine with all those nodes
[21:20] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, that's awesome
[21:21] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: that's only one client for the API mind :-)
[21:21]  * fwereade removes hat
[21:21] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, sure
[21:21] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but it's always nice to break after some other component ;p
[21:21] <rogpeppe1> :-)
[21:22]  * rogpeppe1 hasn't quite worked out what to say on the subject of error reporting vs logging yet, but feels there is sensible something lurking around
[21:25] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, well, every piece of context you describe *could* be provided by logging
[21:25] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: if we were happy with logging 1GB/minute
[21:26] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but it is indeed a tradeoff in many things
[21:26] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: yeah
[21:27] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I think that more logging *and* more error context is likely to be generally helpful
[21:28] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: agreed
[21:28] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: that's the gist of my as yet uncomposed reply
[21:28] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but there have been times when we have erred toward the massively redundant in our error messages, and I think that's also a problem
[21:29] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: if we err in that direction and prune as needed, i think that's a better approach than the opposite
[21:29] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, yeah
[21:29] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I find myself pondering state though
[21:30] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, there are a lot of places we pass up unadorned errors from mgo
[21:30] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: indeed
[21:30] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: let's not
[21:31] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, hmm -- this to me is actually a case where I think logging wins out
[21:32] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, "mgo said no" is generally independent of context -- the connection fell over, basically, and there's nowt to be done
[21:32] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: logging errors or logging actions?
[21:32] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, logging actions
[21:32] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, and leaving errors we can't account for to fall out, and the detailed context be pieced together as needed
[21:32] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: we generate enormous log files as is - i'm concerned about the volume of logging data we generate.
[21:32] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: or *will* generate.
[21:33] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I think that actually implementing fricking log levels will address that
[21:33] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: the problem is that anyone in any significantly sized environment will dial back the log levels
[21:34] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: and then we'll be left with io.EOF
[21:34] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, we don't have to send everything everywhere
[21:35] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: that's a good point actually.
[21:36] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: but still, those API servers are gonna be helluva busy
[21:36] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: when everything's going through the api
[21:36] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, consider me undecided on how best to address logging
[21:37] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: yeah me too. i agree with you that a combination of better logging *and* better error reporting will be useful
[21:37] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, the distribution problem smells a little of being amenable to charming, if we can figure out the right interface to expose
[21:38] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: perhaps. some volume estimations may well be useful.
[21:39] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, yeah, just an idle thought
[21:40] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, have been having slightly less idle thoughts about an environs/resource package with Image and Spec structs and Map and Kind interfaces
[21:40] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but I have been doing that when I should have been reviewing ian's stuff
[21:41]  * fwereade gets he to a codereview
[21:41] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: interesting. i think there's something nice struggling to get out there but i haven't spent any time on it since maas appeared.
[21:42] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, it has kinda clicked -- not in the "it's perfect" sense but the "it's definitely *closer* to perfect" sense
[21:43] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i want something that's not just a "this appeared vaguely similar in these providers" thing; something that's obviously genuinely helpful in current and future contexts.
[21:43] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, eg it will be as stupid as the individual implementations of Map are wrt caching
[21:43] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, well, it's a step that way -- I don't think Image should *really* be a struct, but I don't want to speculate too far
[21:44] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i really need to get back to what i'm supposed to be doing :-) look forward to continuing discussions around this topic
[21:44] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, likewise
[21:44] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, hey sorry 1 thing?
[21:44] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: 1 :-)
[21:45] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: go on
[21:45] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, davecheney mentioned you were going to fix the unassigned unit thing seen with juju-gui to machine 0; please chat to me about it at your convenience, ideally prior to implementation, I have thoughts
[21:45] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but not now
[21:46] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: bug #?
[21:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, not sure
[21:47] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, if it's not currently on your mind you can leave it on mine, but I'll cc you in in case it rings a bell, I have a half-reply open
[21:49] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: doesn't ring a bell currently, unless it's the failed deploy thing, in which case i just reported the bug, and had no immediate intention of fixing it
[21:50] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, ah great, I'll find it and assign it to myself then, I have a CL up that addresses the best currently-addressable subset of the problem, I think
[21:58] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: #1173089 ?
[21:58] <_mup_> Bug #1173089: deploy can fail partially <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173089>
[21:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, yeah, that's the one
[21:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, got distracted by another bug ;p
[22:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, fwiw I don't think we should rollback -- I think create/assign should be a single txn
[22:29] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: yeah, probs


[01:05] <ChinnoDog> Carson: hey
[02:24] <Carson> hey chinnodog
[02:45] <Carson> i don't know much about ubuntu
[02:45] <Carson> but i joined because it was a north carolina channe
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> Carson: Where in NC are you?
[15:48] <Carson> I recently moved to Charlotte
[15:48] <Carson> I grew up in Raleigh though
[15:48] <Carson> you? chinnodog?


[05:35] <bigjools> gmb: sorry dude, qa-bad. https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1338402
[05:36] <bigjools> well, qa-almost-good would be more accurate :)
[05:38] <bigjools> gmb: also is this one actually in progress? https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1312844
[07:49] <gmb> bigjools: That last one should be Fix Committed, I think. I’ll check.
[07:49] <gmb> Will check out the QA issue now.
[07:54] <gmb> bigjools: That’s very weird. The query clearly uses <= and >=…
[07:54]  * gmb investigates
[08:13] <jtv> gmb: the card about the find_nodegroup query not dealing with a mix of IPv4 and IPv6 addresses has your face on it, and has landed in the Archive.  But I don't see any fix to that query.  Do you know what happened?
[08:14] <jtv> It went through Review and Done, but the code hasn't been touched for a month.  Did a branch disappear somehow?
[08:14] <jtv> Or did two cards get confused?
[08:23] <gmb> jtv: ISTR that in fact that card was a question masquerading as a statement (i.e. “Does that query handle mixed stuff? IDK…”) and that I wrote tests that prove that yes, it does. But I could be making that up.
[08:25] <jtv> Ah.  And we got this overnight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769133/
[08:28] <bigjools> gmb: yeah it's odd - easy to recreate
[08:28] <bigjools> gmb: also the other bug has no branch on it so I was confused
[08:28] <bigjools> it was in the QA lane on the board
[08:28] <gmb> bigjools: Okay. Here’s a fix for the first issue: over-use of >= and <= :) https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/static-ip-sanity-checks/+merge/226074
[08:29] <bigjools> gmb: lol
[08:29] <jtv> I don't see any test on find_nodegroup with mixed IPv4/IPv6 addresses... only a scenario test that runs once for IPv4, once for IPv6.
[09:25] <bigjools> anyone fancy QAing the DB isolation level card?
[09:25] <bigjools> it's been there too long
[09:25] <bigjools> would like it OKed before release if you can
[09:25] <bigjools> jtv: ^ ?
[09:25] <jtv> I can try — will need to get my setup here working though.
[09:26] <jtv> Although it has stood up well in practice.
[09:26] <jtv> rharper basically QA'ed that one.
[10:04] <rvba> allenap: since you're working on the Celery removal… Not sure what your plan is but if you could move the power-related tasks over to twisted, that would be great.
[11:05] <jake6a> bigjools: you there?
[11:17] <jake6a> Anybody know where should I run the "virsh" command for virtual machines/
[11:17] <jake6a> ?
[11:17] <jake6a> On the virtual machine (node) or on the Maas (server)?
[11:20] <rvba> jake6a: on the MAAS server, you might find some interesting additional info on http://askubuntu.com/questions/292061/how-to-configure-maas-to-be-able-to-boot-virtual-machines
[12:52] <jtv> Thanks for the review, gmb.
[13:28] <breze411> Could anyone tell me how to log in to maas nodes physical console ? I need to stop networking to configure nic bonding but cannot figure what login to use for the console
[13:30] <breze411> This is actually for maas nodes used by the juju
[16:51] <roadmr> can maas be deployed using juju? or is that too "chicken-and-egg"?
[17:44] <rbasak> roadmr: chicken and egg. But it has been considered. I still want to try and make it work one day.
[17:45] <rbasak> It's be nice to be able to scale HA MAAS with Juju. But no, not possible right now.
[17:45] <roadmr> rbasak: ok, makes sense. So the easiest way to deploy maas is to just manually install ubuntu server, then apt-get install maas, right?
[17:46] <rbasak> roadmr: right. Or for MAAS + OpenStack on top of it, look at the cloud-installer package
[17:47] <roadmr> rbasak: oh I'll look at that! I've usually just installed maas, then juju deployed all the openstack charms one by one. Will look at cloud-installer though!
[20:21] <sp2940> i'm getting the error "One or more MAC addresses is invalid"; the node powers up and commissions fine -- get the maas login screen fine -- but then after about 30 seconds prints this error and powers off the server. I looked at the Python source and got a better idea of what's going on. Does anyone have any experience with this issue? Causes/remedies? Happens in both 12.04.4 LTS and 14.04 LTS.
[23:23] <sp2940> still getting the "One or more MAC addresses is invalid"... Best I can guess is that something is conflicting with the dhcp server on the maas control node.


[03:56] <t0taln00b3r> is there a trick to the install of ubuntu studio? i tried 64-bit 15.04 like two or three times but im always met with a blinking underscore on boot. what am i missing?
[03:56] <cfhowlett> t0taln00b3r, no trick.  I'd suspect you are hitting uefi issues
[03:56] <cfhowlett> !uefi
[03:57] <t0taln00b3r> its just odd cuz i can do the same steps with ubuntu and it just werks
[03:59] <t0taln00b3r> also it was the only operating system on my machine and that page you linked me to says it shouldnt matter if its the only one
[04:11] <cfhowlett> t0taln00b3r, it *shouldn'*
[04:11] <t0taln00b3r> well that's embarrassing
[04:11] <cfhowlett> yep.  see how that works?  little details
[04:11] <cfhowlett> t0taln00b3r, for the record, if you HAD ubuntu, you could easily have installed the US packages to it and been done.
[04:11] <t0taln00b3r> what do you mean? US packages..?
[04:11] <cfhowlett> ubuntustudio
[04:11] <t0taln00b3r> wait so if i just type sudo apt get install ubuntustudio it turns ubuntu into ubuntu studio?
[04:11] <t0taln00b3r> g-guys? ;_;
[10:43] <zequence> t0taln00b3r: There are a bunch of meta packages that being with ubuntustudio-*, but installing those will only install packages, not do any settings to the system
[10:43] <zequence> To get realtime privilege, you will need to add any user to audio group, who is to use jack in realtime mode
[10:44] <zequence> The first user in an Ubuntu Studio installation is already in that group


[00:00] <Seeker`> ?
[00:01] <ompaul> in many the irc channel that would get you into the topic!
[00:01] <ompaul> Seeker`> I'm not on planet.ubuntu.com :(  <ompaul> are you on planet.earth.this-solar-system? <Seeker`> I dont think I qualify
[00:02] <Seeker`> heh
[00:02] <Seeker`> qdb.us?
[00:02] <ompaul> if you want
[00:02] <ompaul> you can post it
[00:02] <Seeker`> nah
[00:03] <Seeker`> not posting myself
[00:04] <Seeker`> anyways, I dont think I qualify for planet.ubuntu.com
[00:05] <ompaul> arrrr
[00:05] <Seeker`> 1. I'm not a member
[00:06] <Seeker`> 2. I dont post to my blog
[00:09] <Seeker`> and I dont think epopel would be interested in whatI had to say if i did
[00:13] <ompaul> epopel is people I thunk
[00:14] <mneptok> or Alan Pope's female alter-ego
[00:14] <Seeker`> typos suck
[00:16] <ompaul> Seeker`, or maybe you got that wrong there, it is a matter of opinion, and you are too young to have one ;-)
[00:17] <ompaul> surrender surrender
[00:19] <Seeker`> why am i too young to have one
[00:19] <Seeker`> how old do you have to be to have one?
[00:20] <ompaul> Seeker`, younger than mneptok
[00:20] <ompaul> and always two days older than you :)
[00:21]  * ompaul stops messing
[00:21] <ompaul> it is three days
[00:22] <mneptok> but don't give yourself away. aaay-aaay. aaaay-AAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
[00:22] <Seeker`> how old is mneptok
[00:23] <mneptok> 2 days younger than God.
[00:23] <mneptok> (43)
[00:23] <ompaul> mneptok, spot on
[00:24]  * ompaul is older than god in that case
[00:24] <ompaul> hmm lots of paradigims just broke for people there:)
[00:24] <Seeker`> wow, you two are old :P
[00:25] <ompaul> Seeker`, quiet child :P
[00:25] <ompaul> mneptok, that was a cheap trick putting that in the channel
[00:26] <mneptok> ompaul: raises our Neilsen rating, though.
[00:27] <ompaul> mneptok, ain't that a shame
[00:27]  * ompaul wonders who da king of the whole wide world
[00:30] <mneptok> Bono.
[00:30] <mneptok> oh wait. he just thinks he is.
[00:33] <ompaul> hehe
[00:33] <ompaul> it is really just being ruled by prince while king crimson is feeling unwell
[00:36] <Seeker`> ompaul: the little boy that lives down the lane
[00:36] <ompaul> mneptok, this is why purple rain is a consequence of global warming
[00:36] <ompaul> note that this winter global warming will be under performing
[00:49] <Seeker`> what happened to the irc council vote
[00:54] <mneptok> they passed the bailout resolution. doors close at midnight saturday.
[00:55] <Seeker`> ?
[01:18] <LjL> what's making me think there is a problem with the bots
[01:19] <mneptok> nalioth ....
[01:19] <mneptok> FB1 is freaking
[01:20]  * mneptok is about to ban it ...
[01:20] <LjL> fb1 is mine mneptok
[01:20] <LjL> although it's fb1 and fb2 that are quarrelling for the fb1 nickname
[01:20] <mneptok> LjL: it's colliding with services, disconnecting, and repeating the process
[01:21] <LjL> mneptok: no, 1 is colliding 2, 2 is colloding 1
[01:21] <LjL> they both think they own the fb1 nickname
[01:21] <LjL> fixed
[01:32] <Pici> The name Martiini sounds familiar.. and not in a good way.
[01:32] <LjL> Pici: i was highlighted when he joined
[01:32] <LjL> though as you know, that doesn't mean much
[01:32] <Pici> Well the bantracker reveals something, but it wasn't what I was thinking of.
[03:18] <Pici> Someone got trolls in my #ubuntu, I'd like a refund.
[03:19] <mneptok> i knew we shouldn't have built this distro on a bridge
[03:19] <Flannel> mneptok: At least its not on a swamp
[03:20] <Flannel> wait...
[03:20] <Flannel> why do I have 0 nicks in my #ubuntu?
[03:20] <mneptok> Flannel: look again at high tide ;)
[03:20] <Flannel> freaking disconnects
[03:20] <mneptok> Flannel: wait for the sync ...
[03:21] <Pici> Flannel: Stay on target.... stay on target.
[03:21] <mneptok> almost there ...
[03:21] <Flannel> Eh?
[03:21] <Flannel> My internets went down (along with television) for about 3 hours this morning.
[03:22] <Flannel> and apparently when you reconnect, you don't rejoin channels in order
[03:27] <Flannel> Well, that was fun.
[03:47] <Flannel> ubottu: tell DamienGray-SLEEP about away
[04:39] <Myrtti> what the hell am I doing awake at this hour
[04:40] <Flannel> Not sleeping!
[04:56] <Flannel> Why does rodsterling have voice in -offtopic?
[04:59] <Myrtti> I've got no idea
[05:27] <elkbuntu> * [myg0t]skillztha<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... will likely be back
[08:36] <jussi01> Has anyone got a good reference page for dualhead? perhaps an actual ubuntu wiki one? as the one in the factoid sucks...
[08:37] <jussi01> !dualhead
[08:39] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors is nvidia specific
[08:41] <jussi01> Im thinking this http://www.paralipsis.org/2006/01/enabling-xinerama-in-ubuntu/
[08:41] <jussi01> but its weird that there isnt a updated ubuntu wiki one
[08:41] <Flannel> the one I psted was for Hardy
[08:41] <jussi01> only this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[08:42] <Flannel> but, don't we let XRandR take care of it now?
[08:43] <Flannel> Page you give looks good, except I thought we don't do manual X configs anymore, just let everything auto detect?
[08:43]  * Flannel has very little idea what he's talking about.
[08:44] <jussi01> Flannel: I wish...
[08:44]  * jussi01 cant get dualhead working, hence he sought this out...
[08:45] <Flannel> jussi01: ah, intel works fine OOB for me ;)
[08:45] <jussi01> Flannel: clone or big screen?
[08:45] <Flannel> jussi01: but, if thats the case, and that link works, I'd say update it.
[08:45] <jussi01> cause clone works fine here, good luck with big screen
[08:46] <Flannel> I don't remember.  I want to say big screen.  But it was a bit ago and Ive only done it once.
[08:47] <jussi01> be back in a few, going to play with xorg
[08:48] <ompaul> going to do the great saturday morning unbanning in #u
[08:49] <ompaul> or I could do it a few hours
[08:49] <ompaul> jussi01, your call
[08:49] <ompaul> jussi01, is missing
[08:49] <ompaul> Flannel, ^^
[08:50] <Flannel> ompaul: now is fine
[08:50] <Flannel> few hours is fine
[08:50] <ompaul> I'll go later then :)
[08:50] <ompaul> I'm outa here
[09:49]  * nalioth is on intrepid now.
[09:51] <nalioth> computer quit several times during the upgrade - but after the new kernel got in, the mysterious quits stopped.
[10:31] <stdin> ompaul: bug snarfing disabled in the main channels and offtopic channels now (still enabled in dev-land and here)
[10:31] <ompaul> stdin, :-) well good
[10:32] <ompaul> I could see someone doing bug 1 bug 2 bug 3
[10:32] <ompaul> that might still be an issu :-)
[10:32] <jpds> morning.
[10:33] <ompaul> stdin, which would have had the flood bot doing you know what
[10:33] <stdin> ompaul: it has a 5 bug limit
[10:33] <ompaul> stdin, and then a shout for people like you
[10:33] <stdin> ie: even if you post 100 bugs, it'll only show 5
[10:33] <ompaul> stdin,  make that count 5 and ignore the sender for a minute :)
[10:34] <stdin> and it's not enabled in #ubuntu, so no floodbots ;)
[10:34] <ompaul> aye
[10:34] <ompaul> yeah I think anyone doing it in #ubuntu-dev would have a bad day
[10:35] <stdin> I'm pretty sure it won't repeat bugs for a time either
[10:42] <jpds> He's gone.
[10:43] <ompaul> jpds, i was mr typo for a moment there
[10:46] <jpds> ompaul: Right...
[10:46] <ompaul> so you got him
[10:58] <bazhang> doorntje, how may we help you
[10:59] <doorntje> i've an complain about an ubuntu channel
[10:59] <bazhang> doorntje, which channel and what is the complaint
[10:59] <doorntje> nja, they gave me an permban because i said anti-rude-mods
[11:00] <doorntje> it's in #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[11:00] <bazhang> doorntje, that should be addressed in #ubuntu-irc
[11:01] <doorntje> why can't you help me here?
[11:01] <bazhang> doorntje, this is not the channel for it.
[11:02] <doorntje> okay
[11:02] <Gary> bazhang: yeah, sorry for that, we passed him on from #freenode - forgetting the correct channel for loco channel disputes
[11:03] <bazhang> Gary, thanks; got him to -irc :)
[11:03] <Gary> doorntje: don't forget to not idle in this channel, thanks
[11:34] <CalA> irc.dedibox.fr #dedibox
[11:37] <elkbuntu> hrm
[11:37] <elkbuntu> Gary, please tell me mr spammerific above has already been dealt with
[11:41] <Gary> no longer connected
[12:33]  * Myrtti sings happily
[12:47] <Myrtti> I WANT A DONUT!
[12:48] <jussi01> me to...
[12:48] <LjL> i want a free eeepc
[12:48] <jussi01> LjL: Id rather the dell mini thing ;)
[12:49] <Myrtti> MSI wind.
[12:49] <LjL> jussi01: yeah, i want a free eeepc precisely to see if it's good enough or i buy another
[12:49] <jussi01> yeah or that
[12:49] <Myrtti> PINK MSI Wind
[12:49] <LjL> then if it's not good enough, i want a free, yeah, whatever, wind, dell, acer
[12:49] <jussi01> LjL: hehe
[12:49] <jussi01> actually the one from one.de is nice
[12:49] <LjL>  /kb Myrtti blasphemy
[12:50] <jussi01> /kb LjL for being a cheapskate :P
[12:50] <LjL> is the msi wind with the decent battery out even?
[12:51] <LjL> i'm not a cheapskate, i just think my purchases through
[12:51] <LjL> very, very, thorougly through.
[12:51] <jussi01> See Im kina over those mini laptops, I want a proper PC, quad core or something
[12:51] <LjL> then i don't make them
[12:51] <jussi01> rofl
[12:51] <Myrtti> LjL: http://www.fonepoint.fi/PublishedService?pageID=9&itemcode=U100XPp
[12:51] <LjL> Akku: Li-Ion 3-kennon :(
[12:52] <Myrtti> off goes the XP, in comes Xubuntu
[12:52] <Myrtti> so what
[12:52] <Myrtti> IT'S PINK
[12:52] <LjL> yeah, and that
[12:52] <Myrtti> and it's better than eeepc
[12:53] <LjL> Myrtti: the eeepc has a 6 cells battery that actually lasts though
[12:53] <Myrtti> it's still not pink
[12:54] <LjL> Myrtti: pfff, you can get a pink eeepc 900 with a lousy battery just like the wind, or a non-pink 901 with a decent battery
[12:54] <LjL> what's keeping me from getting an eee right now is the keyboard
[12:55] <LjL> it's just plain not on par with the ones on the others
[12:55] <LjL> i *think* i would get used to it, but thinking isn't being sure
[12:56] <jussi01> LjL: nah, the eeepc keyboard sucks
[12:56]  * Myrtti huggles skype
[12:56] <LjL> well, that's keeping me, and the fact i cannot find one in stores
[12:56] <Myrtti> jussi01: would you like to fix my microphone on my laptop?
[12:56] <Myrtti> I got it *almost* working
[12:56] <jussi01> LjL: take a trip here, they are *everywhere*
[12:56] <LjL> jussi01: reasons for such drastic sentence?
[12:56] <LjL> jussi01: they're everywhere here too, just not the 901
[12:56] <jussi01> LjL: I hated the one we had at work...
[12:56] <LjL> also, i wouldn't mind if the msi wind and the others were everywhere too, so i could at least compare
[12:57] <LjL> there's only the aspire one around
[12:57]  * Myrtti yawns
[12:57] <Myrtti> should get up from bed, right?
[12:57] <LjL> jussi01: well but how long did you use it? i'm absolutely certain you do need some non-negligible adjustment period
[12:57] <LjL> widescreen keys need getting used to for sure
[12:57] <jussi01> LjL: have you looked at the one from one.de? that looks real nice, though its via based, not atom
[12:58] <jussi01> LjL: yeah true, used it for about 3 days...
[12:59] <LjL> jussi01, i'm not buying something completely unknown to the masses from a foreign internet retailer, with no inland warranty and no real support... i want something i can touch in stores and can read forums over forums about
[12:59] <LjL> i realize that's restricting choices, but that's what i'm like
[13:00] <jussi01> LjL: whatever floats your boat mate, just making sure you were aware of it
[13:00] <jussi01> :)
[13:01]  * pleia2 waiting for the mini9s to be pink
[13:03]  * jussi01 hugs pleia2
[13:03]  * LjL wonders what process exactly apparently makes women's hormones excited by the color pink
[13:05]  * pleia2 hugs jussi01
[13:05]  * Myrtti pokes LjL with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[13:05] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[13:05]  * Myrtti larts LjL with a Nokia Internet Tablet 770
[13:06] <pleia2> LjL: honestly I don't see it a ton in women, moreso in girls, and pink was a recent discovery for me ;)
[13:06]  * pleia2 does it backwards
[13:07] <Myrtti> yeah, I had my black/red/white graphic phase for years
[13:07] <Myrtti> and before that blue
[13:08] <LjL> when i was young, i had a black phase
[13:08] <LjL> then i grew up, and had a black phase
[13:08] <LjL> now i am in a black phase
[13:09] <pleia2> yes, well, there is always that
[13:10] <LjL> but i made a promise that when i get a degree, i'll start a lack-of-visible-spectrum-frequencies phase
[13:10] <jussi01> If I could motivate myself to finish my thesis, Id actually have a degree...
[13:11] <LjL> if i could motivate myself to start a thesis, i'd actually have some hope of a degree
[13:12] <LjL> but that involves waking up before noon and speaking with people... pff
[13:12] <jussi01> rofl
[14:00] <jussi01> just got my "big desktop" working :D
[14:05] <elkbuntu> oh, the idiots are on fire now
[14:06]  * Myrtti yawns and gets up from bed
[14:06] <Myrtti> thought of today: "How can someone be that goddamned CUTE?!"
[14:15] <stdin> oh, btw. I edited !version to be "lsb_release -rc", as most people seem to want to paste the whole "lsb_release -a" output to the channel
[14:22] <jussi01> stdin: nice :) (although we should be doing factoid edits in here so everyone can see them)
[14:23] <stdin> for major edits, sure. but for 's/-a/-rc/' it's a little overkill ;)
[14:24] <stdin> just mentioned in case anyone wondered (though !-version would tell them)
[14:27] <jussi01> :)
[14:38] <LjL> hello erusul, you've found a buggie
[14:38] <stdin> whaaaaa?
[14:38] <LjL> !-ko
[14:39] <LjL> !ko
[14:39] <stdin> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.alert
[14:39] <LjL> !callt
[14:39] <LjL> !calltheop
[14:40] <LjL> !calltheo
[14:40] <LjL> *shrug*
[14:40] <stdin> I think it needs to be a real factoid though
[14:40] <stdin> !callt is nothing
[14:40] <stdin> !callt
[14:40] <stdin> gerrrr!
[14:40] <LjL> i see
[14:40] <stdin> !forget callt
[14:51] <stdin> !unforget callt
[14:51] <stdin> !callt
[14:51] <stdin> !forget callt
[14:52] <stdin> it's less broken again
[15:02] <jussi01> !scope > Igg-man
[15:52] <ompaul> OT post to here>>  http://inx.maincontent.net/inx-1.0.iso.torrent   << exists on LP it is ubuntu with no X "Is Not X" is where the INX comes from  you can blame an ozzie for it, and it is nice
[15:53]  * ompaul pings Daviey ^^ that you might get a giggle from
[15:53] <ompaul> too late I told em :P
[15:53] <LjL> so he did
[15:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[15:54] <Myrtti> hmmm?
[15:54] <thoreauputic> the more the merrier
[15:54] <LjL> i'm told there's no cowsay
[15:54] <thoreauputic> LjL: that's a bug I guess ;)
[15:55] <thoreauputic> figlet features prominently though :)
[15:55] <LjL> thoreauputic: also, if that's your connection that's feeding the torrent... find another isp
[15:55] <thoreauputic> LjL: ?
[15:55] <ompaul> LjL, we have a few people with the torrent
[15:56] <ompaul> LjL, are you saying the host for the box tracker or something
[15:56] <thoreauputic> LjL: there are 5 or 6 seeds from various ISPs
[15:56] <LjL> i'm saying i'm downloading <50kb/s
[15:57] <thoreauputic> LjL: I just tested and got an average of over 500KB/sec , touching 1 MB/sec at times
[15:57] <ompaul> LjL, go again
[15:57] <thoreauputic> d/l took about 5 and a half minutes
[15:59] <LjL> *shrug*
[16:00] <thoreauputic> LjL: something odd at your end - it is fast enough here and I'm half a world away from the tracker
[16:01] <LjL> yeah, it appears i was merely using a sucky torrent client.
[16:02] <ompaul> LjL, you have appeared :)
[16:03] <LjL> from magic smoke.
[16:06] <thoreauputic> LjL: are you getting better speed now?
[16:07] <LjL> not stellar, but yeah, >100kb/s
[16:07] <LjL> although ompaul's bti is embarassingly slow
[16:07] <thoreauputic> LjL: hard to please :)
[16:07] <ompaul> LjL, I could close it
[16:07] <ompaul> :P
[16:07] <ompaul> I am providing the tracker also
[16:08] <ompaul> and it is not here
[16:08] <LjL> ompaul: well, after realizing the client has commands called "kick" and "ban", i'm trying hard to resist the temptation to begin with
[16:08] <LjL> it's a reflex you know
[16:08] <ompaul> hehehe
[16:08] <thoreauputic> LjL: hahahah
[16:09] <ompaul> LjL, you want my bandwidth that much - sorry to have to tell you it is all I have
[16:09] <ompaul> so you won't get any benefit that way
[16:09] <LjL> i know, as i said, rationality tells me i want those nanobits per second
[16:10] <ompaul> yah right
[16:10] <ompaul> LjL, you should be getting 35 from the torrent server itself
[16:10] <Myrtti> you're silly
[16:10] <Myrtti> all of you
[16:10] <ompaul> I have that choked
[16:11] <LjL> Myrtti: you haven't had your coffee
[16:11] <ompaul> Myrtti, we love you too, now tell us why we are silly
[16:11] <ompaul> LjL, you cannot be serious mannnnnn
[16:11] <Myrtti> LjL: as a matter of fact
[16:11] <Myrtti> am just now sipping excellent "espresso"
[16:11] <thoreauputic> ompaul: the tracker rtorrent is currently putting out *exactly* 35 as instructed :)
[16:11] <ompaul> ta
[16:12] <Myrtti> I've tried some Segafredo and it was doodah.
[16:12] <LjL> another netsplit is coming
[16:12] <Myrtti> this Robert's Café Brutal espresso ground nomnom roast is excellent
[16:13] <Myrtti> LjL: how did you know that?
[16:14] <LjL> magic
[16:14] <LjL> Myrtti: like i knew last time, check -monitor
[16:30] <thoreauputic> LjL: so, now you can offer all INX torrenters your generous bandwidth ;) You seem to have completed your d/l?
[16:31] <Nafallo> INX?
[16:31] <thoreauputic> 'no answer' came the stern reply...
[16:31] <LjL> thoreauputic: yeah, being behind a NAT though, i'm not entirely sure there will be many leechers who manage to connecto to me :P
[16:31] <thoreauputic> LjL: I'm sure you are capable of working out your port forwarding...
[16:32] <LjL> thoreauputic: it's not my NAT, i can't port forward a thing
[16:32] <thoreauputic> LjL: I'm also behind nat and you were getting 60 KB/sec from me
[16:32] <thoreauputic> ah I see :)
[16:32] <LjL> thoreauputic: bittorrent is smart then
[16:33] <Nafallo> it tries to be.
[16:33] <LjL> anyway, ktorrent is there seeding, those who are brave can leech
[16:33] <Nafallo> your seeding client will try to connect to leechers IIRC
[16:34] <Nafallo> that way the connections opens from the inside and gets through NAT
[16:34] <LjL> Nafallo: it would only be reasonable for it to do that
[16:34] <LjL> Nafallo: i'm not entirely sure how it worked if we were *both* behind NAT, though
[16:35] <Nafallo> no idea either. that might be the people you wouldn't reach when behind NAT...
[16:35] <thoreauputic> LjL: umm, I have the relevant ports forwarded so it makes no difference - attempts to connect to me sail through the router
[16:35] <LjL> thoreauputic: ah ok
[16:35] <thoreauputic> and hit the torrent port
[16:35] <Nafallo> PNAT!
[16:36] <Nafallo> can haz IPv6,kthxbai!
[16:36] <thoreauputic> it isn't rocket science you know :)
[16:36] <LjL> Nafallo: if you have a tunnel with 10mbps bandwidth, i'll consider that
[16:36] <Nafallo> anyway. bye. I need to head for a party via another things.
[16:36] <Nafallo> LjL: SixXS
[16:36] <LjL> sounds like a porn site
[16:37] <Nafallo> JFGI
[16:37] <Nafallo> :-)
[16:37] <LjL> i did
[16:37] <LjL> that didn't make it sound any less like a porn site
[17:59] <LjL> please have a look at afallenhope in #ubuntu
[17:59] <LjL> i call myself out
[18:07] <jussi01> LjL: looking
[18:07] <LjL> jussi01: well, he's stopped answering, i've left a @mark on the BT anyway
[18:08] <jussi01> LjL: alrught, he's active in #u right now
[18:18] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[18:18] <Myrtti> anyone awake
[18:18] <LjL> no
[18:19] <Myrtti> good, go back to bed then
[18:21]  * Gary is bored
[18:22] <Myrtti> I just configured skype on my laptop
[18:22] <Myrtti> now I can make video calls ;-D
[18:22] <Myrtti> woooooo \o/
[18:22] <jussi01> yay!!!
[18:23]  * Myrtti sees jussi01 online on skype, hides behind a blanket
[18:23] <jussi01> Myrtti: nothings set up here...
[18:24] <Myrtti> not that I'd want to see your face anyway ;-)
[18:25] <jussi01> Myrtti: that was uncalled for!
[18:27]  * Myrtti larts jussi01 with "Handbook of Finnish irony, sarcasm and selfbelittling"
[19:50] <Flannel> Hmm, whats the factoid with that website that'll help figure out packages for sneakernet
[19:52] <Pici> !offline
[19:54] <Flannel> !sneakerent is <alias> offline
[19:54] <Flannel> oh
[19:54] <Flannel> typos--
[19:54] <Flannel> !sneakernet is <alias> offline
[19:55] <Pici> It doesnt have anything after feisty though
[19:56] <Flannel> Oh?
[19:56] <Flannel> thats annoying.  The synaptic thing still works, provided you had internet at some point?
[19:56] <Flannel> (a recent package list)?
[19:56] <Pici> Dunny, havent used.
[19:56] <Flannel> I really wish AptOnCD worked on windows.
[19:57] <jussi01> yeah, that'd be nice
[19:57] <Flannel> You don't even have to implement all of the functionality of libapt, just the basics.
[19:58] <jussi01> !clone
[19:59] <Myrtti> perhaps the wubi guys would know how to do something like that?
[20:00] <Myrtti> I have to tell you fellas
[20:00] <Myrtti> nothing, and I mean nothing beats good coffee and a tomato-mozzarella-basil salad with fresh olive oil and a dash of balsamico
[20:01] <jussi01> Myrtti: meh... :P
[20:01] <Pici> I'm not even that big of a salad fan and that sounds good.
[20:01] <Pici> Minus the coffee though.
[20:01] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2912076035/
[20:02] <Flannel> Myrtti: Its not something you'd need wubi to do.  You'd just have to write a script that knows how to read the packages format, and resolve dependencies
[20:02] <Pici> mmmm
[20:03] <jussi01> nah, my salad of choice: chicken, chili, paprika/bell peppers, rae juusto, cherry tomatos, lettuce. mmm... nam nam
[20:05] <Myrtti> Flannel: yes, but when looking for people who have been doing ubuntu related stuff for windows, wouldn't it be logical to go and ask from known perpetrators?
[20:05] <Pici> Hah, perpetrators.
[20:05] <Myrtti> jussi01: sure, that's nice thoug
[20:05] <Myrtti> s/thoug/too/
[20:06] <Myrtti> I'm not that big fan of chicken though
[20:11]  * LjL will try to add gutsy and hardy...
[20:50] <Flannel> Myrtti: writing a script like that is just writing a script.  If you do it in python, perl, whatever, its not really OS dependant (because we're not using the apt libraries).  Wubi people were dealing mostly with ntfs.
[20:50] <Flannel> Myrtti: thatd be like asking the ext3 guys to hack GIMP or something
[20:52] <Myrtti> Flannel: and you seriously think I a) gave it a thought b) know about what's needed c) care?
[20:52] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:05]  * jussi01 hugs Flannel... there there, Aunty Myrtti is in a bad mood tonight. :D
[21:12] <Myrtti> no I'm not
[21:12] <Myrtti> skype works :-D
[21:13] <Myrtti> workED damnit
[21:41] <Myrtti>  Skype ♥
[22:23] <jussi01> err, what?
[22:27] <Pici> LjL: are we repelling boarders?
[22:28] <LjL> Pici: no, grepping logs
[22:59] <Pici> 3rd party lamp suites really annoy me.
[23:00] <Flannel> Mhmmm
[23:00] <Flannel> Especially since theres no reason to use them on *nix
[23:00] <LjL> yeah
[23:00] <LjL> i build all my lamps
[23:01] <Flannel> LjL: I usually break down and buy the bulbs
[23:02] <LjL> no spine, no spine
[23:48] <ompaul> !sysreq
[23:48] <ompaul> !sys-req
[23:49] <ompaul> !search req
[23:49] <ompaul> anyone got any idea?
[23:55] <LjL> ompaul: what about?
[23:58] <ompaul> is there a factoid for sys rq
[23:58] <ompaul> arrrr
[23:58] <ompaul> !sysrq
[23:58]  * ompaul head butts the deskl
[23:59] <ompaul> LjL, I guess that was FAIL!
[23:59] <LjL> heh


[04:02] <valorie> been watching my email like a hawk
[04:02] <valorie> I think they are still figuring things out
[04:03] <valorie> that email I sent out last week probably gives enough info to estimate cost tho
[04:03] <valorie> b/c ubuntu fund is still waiting for us
[04:03] <valorie> of course I would love to make hotel reservations, but.....
[04:04] <valorie> we should decide on the logo issue
 Re: Discourse, the Ubuntu discourse is a good place, I could setup a Kubuntu area on there, that we could use
 I am in favor of this (re @Rick_Timmis: Re: Discourse, the Ubuntu discourse is a good place, I could setup a Kubuntu area on there, that we could use)
 I have just been using the logo in kubuntu-settings. (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> we should decide on the logo issue)
 We have some new brand materials being developed in the Contest, and we've already had one submission
 But we can't use them until the winner is chosen at end of Contest
 Re: Forum, I'll reach out to Mauro Gaspari and ask for his input in setting up an area on Ubuntu discourse
 Spoke to Mauro, he's gonna sort me something out, then I can let you know
 Spoke to Mauro, he's gonna sort me something out, then I can let you know
[21:05] <valorie> sgmoore: I meant for the LFNW stuff, since there will be (tentatively) Edubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu & Kub. there
[21:05] <valorie> I was thinking a little stacked group of all of them
[21:06] <valorie> but someone more graphically skilled than me would have to assemble that
[21:41] <valorie> I guess I need to email Simon & Erich to get their input
 Sorry I have been absent. Health issues took me unexpectedly aside
 Feel better soon. Your health comes first. We'll be here when you get back :) (re @RikMills: Sorry I have been absent. Health issues took me unexpectedly aside)
 Ahhhh, I understand now. Yeah email them :) I am no artist sadly. (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> I guess I need to email Simon & Erich to get their input)
 How is calameres soing?
 How is calameres doing?
[22:51] <valorie> hey RikMills, last I noticed, it was pretty much done; some bits and bobs waitin on someth.....
 Nice :)
[22:52] <valorie> I've not been testing as yet
[22:52] <valorie> my sister has been living with use for the past couple of week; she has early-onset dementia
[22:53] <valorie> fortunately spending some days with her daughter but sleeping here
[23:13] <arraybolt3> Calamares is a *bit* bumpy right now because of a buggy upstream release that revealed a bug in the installer prompt who's fix got hung up because of the time_t64 transition that appears to have glibc engaged and is entangling evertyhing that looks at it wrong
[23:13] <arraybolt3> but once all that clears through, the calamares and kubuntu-installer-prompt in -proposed should smooth things out.
[23:32] <valorie> thanks, arraybolt3 @RikMills