[00:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.8]
[00:08] <vorlon> ricotz[m]: why you say that libreoffice 7.4.5 is released in kinetic?  I only see 7.4.4 there
[00:11] <vorlon> ricotz[m]: also, this should go through the micro-release exception process and have a documented reference process, would you please prepare a wiki page for this like the others linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases ?  that would streamline the process with the SRU team and reduce possible back-and-forth in the future
[00:15] <vorlon> ricotz[m]: I'm not happy with either the debian/*.symbols changes (why would you make a change to the .symbols files AND the lintian overrides instead of just to the lintian overrides) and the changes to debian/rules to disable make check on s390x; and I don't see an explanation for why debian/patches/tdf153059-after-ChangeHeaderOrFooter-the-c.patch has been dropped, if it's because it's merged
[00:15] <vorlon> upstream then the changelog should say that
[00:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [source] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2 [armhf] (lunar-proposed/none) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2 [s390x] (lunar-proposed/none) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2 [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2 [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/none) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2 [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[01:06] <icey[m]> vorlon: thanks on the Ceph SRU!
[01:12] <vorlon> icey[m]: sure thing
[01:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [armhf] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [s390x] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [5.5.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[01:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-mate-artwork [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [23.04.0]
[01:52] <vorlon> tsimonq2: lxqt-session needs updated to use libproc2-dev instead of libprocps-dev; Debian has patches for this; do you want to handle the merge?
[01:56] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Yep, I can take care of it, thanks for the FYI :)
[02:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2-cutter [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.12.0-2] (no packageset)
[02:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2-cutter [armhf] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.12.0-2] (no packageset)
[02:21] <tsimonq2> .
[05:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: radare2-cutter [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.12.0-2] (no packageset)
[05:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2-cutter [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.12.0-2]
[05:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2-cutter [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [1.12.0-2]
[05:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2-cutter [armhf] (lunar-proposed) [1.12.0-2]
[06:13] <vorlon> ./configure: line 3675: test: syntax error: `-O3' unexpected
[06:13] <vorlon> yes, this gives me confidence
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (kinetic-proposed/main) [1:7.4.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:7.4.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[09:41] <tjaalton> ricotz: I was out sick, but looks like vorlon gave you some feedback ;)
[09:51] <ricotz> tjaalton, hey, I hope you are feeling better, feel free to take a look at the SRU too :)
[10:05] <tjaalton> maybe on Monday
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntustudio-default-settings [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [23.04.21] (ubuntustudio)
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> ^ Needs an ack, FFe bug 2008025.
[16:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2008025 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] studio-controls updates in lunar" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008025
[23:24] <vorlon> cjwatson: extra-germinate seems to fail under python3 using pickle.load/pickle.dump as a wire protocol, it appears the reader runs out of data so hangs up, then the writer sends more data to a closed fd and also dies.  Any suggestions how to port this to python3?


[00:00] <hazmat> adam_g, there are also images available in other regions if you'd prefer till such time
[00:04] <adam_g> hazmat: hmm, well the us-east-1 archive mirror seems to be broken ATM. ive hacked providers/ec2/launch.py a bit so i can bootstrap oneiric from trunk
[00:04] <adam_g> mirror for natty, that is
[13:15] <hazmat> g'monring
[13:36] <niemeyer> Bom dias
[13:57] <hazmat> niemeyer, greetings
[13:57] <niemeyer> hazmat: Hey
[13:59] <hazmat> niemeyer, i think i'm going to switch the sans-ami branch back to what you approved, just addressing the review comments, and put the work for ben's in a separate branch, i'd like to get this feature in this week.
[13:59] <hazmat> bcsaller, does that sound good?
[14:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds good.  How far is it from getting the next few things in?
[14:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: This will be important for us next week too
[14:00] <niemeyer> hazmat: I mean, the actual branch, not the further chnages
[14:02] <hazmat> niemeyer, i'd like to land it today
[14:02] <hazmat> niemeyer, maybe 20m for the changes from your review
[14:03] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ah, cool
[14:03] <hazmat> the additional distro selection, ensemble source selection, i'd think early next week, in review monday
[14:03] <niemeyer> hazmat: What's the distro selection about?
[14:03] <niemeyer> hazmat: That wasn't entirely clear for me, because there are a few different perspectives on it
[14:03] <hazmat> niemeyer, being able to select what release of ubuntu you want to use for your image
[14:03] <niemeyer> hazmat: Hmm
[14:03] <hazmat> its an image selection filter
[14:04] <niemeyer> hazmat: Do we really want that?
[14:04] <niemeyer> Hmm
[14:04] <hazmat> defaults to using what's current on the machine running the admin tools, but can be selected per environment
[14:04] <hazmat> niemeyer, i think so, the caveat is we probably need a 10.10 selection or higher atm due to cloud-init feature changes (workarounds for which we have removed)
[14:05] <niemeyer> hazmat: This isn't clear to me
[14:05] <niemeyer> hazmat: Formulas target a specific release
[14:05] <niemeyer> hazmat: We shouldnt' be selecting the machine.. we should select the formula
[14:07] <hazmat> i see what you mean, sounds good, we'll need to capture this release metadata for image selection, i assume we'll be deploying formulas from multiple releases in an environment.
[14:09] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yeah, we'll have to handle multiple releases
[14:10] <niemeyer> hazmat: The metadata is in the repository too
[14:10] <niemeyer> hazmat: Not sure about the proper way to do it
[14:26] <hazmat> niemeyer, same mechanism i was about to expose to the end user
[14:43] <niemeyer> hazmat: How do you mean?
[14:55] <bcsaller> hazmat: I am fine with the other part of that branch coming later
[14:59] <hazmat> niemeyer, image selection encoded as formula metadata, a machine placement alg, using the formula metadata, via kw arg/image/machine type selection on the launch machine api of the provider interface, the low level is basically already done for ec2. it will be interesting to see what comes out of the sprint next week. we really need some cross-provider way of specing machine size.
[14:59] <hazmat> i'm curious if that sort of info is exposed via the orchestra api
[14:59] <hazmat> er. cobbler
[15:00] <niemeyer> Agreed.. but we need to sort out the distro selection first
[15:10] <hazmat> bcsaller, cool, could you update the merge proposal to reflect that
[15:10] <bcsaller> sure
[15:16] <hazmat> niemeyer, regarding upgrading formulas and removing files not in the new formula, for local state do we want to spec a location within the formula that we ignore, if we allow for formula contained state.
[15:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: It feels wise to do so
[15:17] <hazmat> ie. ignore '/var' dir in a formula, before co-located formulas, i'd have said just stick it in the fhs somewhere.. its not clear that doesn't still work well but if we want to preserve the option
[15:17] <hazmat> of self-contained state
[15:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: Right
[15:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: There's another question regarding whether we should be killing things arbitrarily
[15:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: On upgrades
[15:18] <hazmat> realistically anything there installing is already on the machine. if we removal of a co-location, we'll need an uninstall hook perhaps.
[15:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: It feels like we should be more precise and only remove the files that disappeared from one version to the next
[15:18] <hazmat> s/we removal/we support removal
[15:19] <hazmat> niemeyer, we don't kill things for upgrades.. not sure what you mean?
[15:19] <hazmat> ah.. files
[15:20] <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. that supposes a notion of an install time manifest
[15:20] <hazmat> the formula dir manifest implementation is a dir walk
[15:20] <hazmat> ie always current
[15:25] <niemeyer> hazmat: We might even pick it out of the bundle
[15:32] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good
[15:32] <niemeyer> hazmat: The zip actually has the manifest already
[15:32] <niemeyer> hazmat: So it's just a matter of exploring it
[15:34] <hazmat> niemeyer, yup reusing the  local cache of downloaded formulas would simplify
[15:34] <niemeyer> hazmat: Hmm
[15:35] <hazmat> actually that will make it easier to support the upgrading against the same version
[15:35] <niemeyer> hazmat: I don't think we can trust the cache to be there, otherwise it stops being a cache
[15:35] <niemeyer> fwereade: Yo
[15:35] <fwereade> niemeyer, heyhey
[15:35] <hazmat> niemeyer, hmm. make sense, so we do need an install manifest and checksum recorded out of cache
[15:36] <fwereade> that was an unexpectedly gruelling many hours
[15:36] <fwereade> I'd forgotten what london is like
[15:36] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yeah, I think so
[15:36] <fwereade> but I think I'm actually ready to fly tomorrow
[15:36] <hazmat> fwereade, greetings
[15:36] <fwereade> heya hazmat
[15:36] <hazmat> fwereade, out of curiosity where are you normally based out of?
[15:37] <fwereade> hazmat, malta
[15:37] <hazmat> fwereade, nice
[15:37] <fwereade> yeah, it's lovely
[15:37] <hazmat> fwereade, care to help organize a sprint? ;-)
[15:37] <fwereade> whatever I can do to hlpe :)
[15:38] <fwereade> I can even spell things sometimes
[15:38] <fwereade> what do you need from me?
[15:44] <hazmat> fwereade, not much, but its not in the cards atm, we've got a couple sprint scheduled for the next few months.
[15:46] <fwereade> hazmat: cool, as long as it's not for Monday :p
[15:46] <niemeyer> hazmat: So, just to make sure, is the branch going in soonish?
[15:47] <niemeyer> hazmat: Just asking because Dustin mailed me about it
[15:47] <fwereade> hazmat: but in principle I'm happy to help however I can, just let me know
[15:47] <hazmat> niemeyer, i hope to have all my approved branches in by end of day
[15:48] <hazmat> which should solve most of the immediate issues jcastro brought up last week
[15:51] <hazmat> niemeyer, what do you think about closing out this milestone and setting up a new one
[15:51] <niemeyer> hazmat: I'd like to close it in the sprint in Austin, as originally planned
[15:51] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good
[15:51] <niemeyer> hazmat: There is still very important work that didn't land
[15:52]  * niemeyer looks at bcsaller
[15:52]  * bcsaller nods
[15:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: I'd also hope that simplistic pieces of the security work see the light of the day there
[15:54] <hazmat> niemeyer, hmm... i could start, but the spec still needs discussion
[15:54] <hazmat> niemeyer, what do you think about team conf call to discuss
[15:54] <hazmat> security
[15:55] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sounds good
[15:55] <niemeyer> I need lunch now, though
[15:56] <niemeyer> hazmat: Please feel free to book a time for us today
[15:56] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good cheers
[16:06] <m_3> Aaargh.... launchpad!
[16:07] <m_3> SpamapS: I need some repo naming help when you get back
[16:32] <kim0> o/ I'd like to see many Enmseble related sessions in Ubuntu cloud days → Please add a session to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays/Timetable
[16:46] <SpamapS> m_3: pong, got a few minutes now, sup?
[16:47] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Hey man
[16:48] <SpamapS> niemeyer: greetings earthling. :)
[16:48] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Re. the LXC work, we need a specification that describes what is the intended operating semantics and the way we want it to impact the several areas
[16:48] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Are you interested in championing it?
[16:49] <SpamapS> niemeyer: yeah thats a good idea. I already threw it together in my head. ;) just need to spit it out in rst :)
[16:49] <niemeyer> SpamapS: ... and get agreements :)
[16:49] <SpamapS> niemeyer: Its impact on anything except itself is *minimal*, and mostly involves fixing bugs
[16:49] <niemeyer> SpamapS: That's awesome
[16:50] <SpamapS> Though eventually I'm sure the LXCControl class I created would be useful for the separation work that is desired in the unit agents.
[16:52] <SpamapS> niemeyer: in fact I've gotten it all separated into branches which I'll propose for merging next week along w/ the bugs that are fixed
[16:53] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I'd appreciate reviewing the high-level problem first
[16:53] <SpamapS> niemeyer: meanwhile the spec for the provider and such can be subject to review separately
[16:53] <niemeyer> SpamapS: As we discussed over the sprint last week, there are a few different ways it can be made to work
[16:53] <SpamapS> niemeyer: the only bugs are things that were implemented in the ec2 provider that should be common to all providers.
[16:53] <niemeyer> SpamapS: So we should start by agreeing on which way we want it to
[16:54] <niemeyer> SpamapS: That's certainly neat no matter what
[16:54] <niemeyer> SpamapS: In fact, we'll have to do exactly that next week
[16:54] <niemeyer> SpamapS: So if you have well tested code splitting it off, I'd _love_ to have those available next week
[16:54] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Otherwise we'll be redoing that work again
[16:54] <SpamapS> niemeyer: sure, I don't have strong feelings about the ways it should work internaly. I just want to have a provider that works w/o amazon, and, preferrably, one that works w/o any net connection at all.
[16:55] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Right, +1 on that
[16:55] <niemeyer> SpamapS: The issue is not just internally, though
[16:55] <niemeyer> SpamapS: as we talked, the initial approach was to have a LXC representing a machine
[16:55] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We really want to have LXC representing a unit
[16:57] <SpamapS> niemeyer: yes, I'm perfectly fine with deprecating what I've already done once that work is ready.
[16:57] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Well, rather than deprecating what you do, I'd prefer to integrate what you do as a goal. :-)
[16:57] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Which is why, in general, it's important to have a spec and to debate a bit before actually diving in
[16:57] <SpamapS> niemeyer: that is, IMO, much more important to long term goals, and so, should be done more carefully. This provider is the way forward w/o touching ensemble's core functionality.
[16:58] <SpamapS> Its my little runt.. cute, but I don't expect it will live as long as its stronger brothers. :)
[17:00] <SpamapS> niemeyer: anyway, agreed, no more working on it until there's a spec and a gooddiscussion
[17:01] <SpamapS> niemeyer: anyway I need to run out now. Are any of the ensemble team going to attend the LXC sprint in Austin? I'll be there.
[17:01]  * SpamapS will read the answer to that later..
[17:01] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Yeah, we'll be there
[17:01] <SpamapS> ciao!
[17:01] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Cheers!
[17:24] <m_3> SpamapS: hey man
[17:25] <m_3> SpamapS: just having problems pushing stuff to lp
[17:26] <m_3> SpamapS: I think I've gotten some things pushed into other places coincidentally b/c there are already packages in oneiric with those names
[17:27] <m_3> SpamapS: but then I saw jamespage's pushes and totally lost any understanding I thought I'd gained
[17:27] <m_3> lp:~jenkins-formula-dev/principia/oneiric/ensemble/jenkins-slave
[17:27] <m_3> that one works in both 'principia' and 'ensemble' yet no 'trunk'
[17:28] <m_3> I'll just put it in +junk for now
[17:28] <m_3> no biggie
[19:25] <niemeyer> Borked
[19:26] <niemeyer> hazmat, bcsaller, jcastro, fwereade: Fail
[19:26] <hazmat> niemeyer, we're still on, can you rejoin?
[19:26] <bcsaller> niemeyer: I sent an invite
[19:51] <hazmat> doh.. chrome crash
[19:52] <bcsaller> hazmat: if you can't see the link let me know
[19:52] <hazmat> bcsaller, dont' see it
[19:52] <hazmat> bcsaller, go tit
[19:52] <hazmat> er. got it
[19:54] <bcsaller> that worked pretty well
[20:07] <hazmat> bcsaller, agreed, that was fun
[20:08] <Ryan_Lane> hi guys. what's the license of the project?
[20:09] <hazmat> Ryan_Lane, AGPL for the core
[20:09] <Ryan_Lane> any specific license for formulas?
[20:09] <Ryan_Lane> anything AGPL compatible?
[20:09] <hazmat> Ryan_Lane, formulas licensed per individual authors wishes.. canonical formulas are like to be GPL afaics
[20:09] <Ryan_Lane> it isn't very clear in the documentation
[20:10] <hazmat> Ryan_Lane, indeed, perhaps even propretiary.. its a separate process
[20:10] <Ryan_Lane> no license is listed on launchpad either.
[20:10] <hazmat> hmm
[20:11] <hazmat> fixed re launchpad for ensemble
[20:12] <Ryan_Lane> great. thanks :)
[23:10] <pindonga> ac
[23:45] <_mup_> ensemble/trunk r266 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:45] <_mup_> merge sans-ami [r=bcsaller,niemeyer][f=803852]
[23:45] <_mup_> Enables the use of ensemble with standard ubuntu amis instead of pre-built images,
[23:45] <_mup_> along with installation from the ensemble ppa as the default, while allowing
[23:45] <_mup_> option of source install from lp branches.
[23:46] <adam_g> nice :)
[23:55] <_mup_> ensemble/trunk r267 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:55] <_mup_> merge hook-with-formula-dir [r=fwereade,niemeyer][f=761015]
[23:55] <_mup_> Hooks now execute in the formula directory. The formula directory
[23:55] <_mup_> can be referenced in hooks as environment variable ENSEMBLE_FORMULA_PATH
[23:57] <adam_g> nice x2


[00:36] <maxb> There's no means to tell why a recipe build was triggered, is there?
[00:36] <maxb> i.e. daily vs. user?
[00:38] <wgrant> I don't believe so.
[00:38] <wgrant> Other than the timestamp.
[00:52] <lifeless> maxb: there is a bug
[00:52] <fta> it seems the interval between a dput and lp saying "src pkg published" is increasing, something like 30min now, is that expected?
[00:54] <lifeless> maxb: 682515
[00:55] <wgrant> fta: We have a known performance issue in the publisher. It's under investigation.
[00:55] <fta> ok, thanks
[02:49] <smo__> hi
[02:50] <smo__> i try to upload a new xcur2png package for maverick with the same version than lucid i just edited the changelog file in debian and it s rejected
[02:50] <smo__> File xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz already exists in Gstyle PPA, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[02:50] <smo__> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[02:50] <smo__> how can i use dput to not upload the orig.tar.gz???
[02:51] <smo__> i just changed -2 with -3 for the version and maverick instead of unstable in the changelog...
[02:58] <micahg> smo__: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[02:58] <smo__> i looked
[02:58] <smo__> not helping me
[02:58] <smo__> i can t get the source form the ppa (and it s the same)
[02:58] <smo__> and debuild -S it s what i already do :(
[02:59] <micahg> smo__: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage
[02:59] <smo__> oh no sorry
[02:59] <smo__> i read
[02:59] <maxb> smo__: OK, I think the first thing you should do is check why you have an orig.tar.gz that is different to what's currently in the PPA
[03:00] <smo__> i use dput -d -f
[03:00] <smo__> or -d alone
[03:00] <smo__> it s always sending the tar.gz
[03:00] <maxb> Where did you obtain the xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz on your local computer?
[03:00] <smo__> i don t understand
[03:00] <maxb> You downloaded it from somewhere. Where?
[03:01] <smo__> i can t do debuild -S if i dont have those tar.gz
[03:01] <smo__> cliapps.org
[03:01] <smo__> i already have it on my ppa but for lucid
[03:01] <smo__> i just want the same package/source but for maverick
[03:02] <maxb> The problem is you currently have a xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz file on your local computer which is different to the file of the same name that you uploaded to your PPA before
[03:02] <smo__> i understand
[03:03] <maxb> You should download the file from your PPA, and check whether the differences matter or not.
[03:03] <smo__> on launchpad it ask to download the same source already uploaded but i can t
[03:03] <maxb> I don't understand what you're saying
[03:04] <smo__> i can t download the original source
[03:04] <smo__> https://launchpad.net/~s-lagui/+archive/ppa
[03:04] <smo__> ^^
[03:05] <smo__> https://launchpad.net/~s-lagui/+archive/ppa/+files/xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz
[03:05] <smo__> There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.
[03:05] <smo__> ...
[03:07] <wgrant> smo__: Try http://ppa.launchpad.net/s-lagui/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xcur2png/xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz
[03:07] <smo__> so i can for exemple edit a changelog file (extracted from the orig.tar.gz) without updating it after edit ? (sorry for me english...)
[03:07] <smo__> it works wgrant thanks
[03:09] <smo__> dput done, waiting for the email
[03:09] <smo__> thanks
[03:09] <wgrant> smo__: Did you rerun debuild -S?
[03:09] <smo__> yes
[03:10] <smo__> signed...
[03:11] <smo__> Accepted:
[03:11] <smo__>  OK: xcur2png_0.7.1.orig.tar.gz
[03:11] <smo__>  OK: xcur2png_0.7.1-3.diff.gz
[03:11] <smo__>  OK: xcur2png_0.7.1-3.dsc
[03:11] <smo__>      -> Component: main Section: x11
[03:11] <smo__> good, thanks
[05:40] <MTecknology> Is there any easy way to upload a build for multiple releases?
[05:41] <MTecknology> as in.. not needing to change it in the change log, and then debuild, and then upload, and then wait - for each one
[05:42] <wgrant> MTecknology: Recipes are good for that, if you can use them.
[05:42] <wgrant> Otherwise it's scriptable...
[05:42] <wgrant> But why wait?
[05:43] <MTecknology> wgrant: because of a bug involving quilt
[05:43] <MTecknology> :'(
[05:43] <wgrant> Oh?
[05:43] <MTecknology> It fails building if the package uses quilt
[05:44] <wgrant> Oh, right.
[05:44] <MTecknology> I really really really wish that would get fixed
[06:31] <achiang> hello, i was wondering if someone could explain the lag between a build finishing and publishing the binaries. i'm in no rush, just curious about what the delay is all about, and why the length of the delay seems variable
[06:32] <wgrant> achiang: Publishing is performed by a 5-minutely cron job on a separate machine.
[06:32] <wgrant> achiang: Unfortunately the publisher has been taking several times that interval recently.
[06:32] <achiang> ah.
[06:32] <wgrant> So it doesn't run every 5 minutes at the moment.
[06:32] <wgrant> Investigation is ongoing.
[06:32] <achiang> that would be the "variable" bit.
[06:33] <achiang> wgrant: thanks for the explanation
[08:44] <soren> I have some e-mail in the moderation queue on a list managed by launchpad. How can I tell why it's being held for moderation?
[09:00] <jtv> soren: hang on, I'll see if I can find someone to answer that
[09:04] <jtv> soren: you've hit a bad timezone to ask, I'm afraid.
[09:04] <jtv> You'll probably have to wait until the Americas come online.
[09:06] <jtv> soren: if you can stick around, try asking garyposter in about 5 hours.
[09:13] <soren> jtv: Sure, I'm not going anywhere. Thanks.
[09:50] <hrw> hi
[09:50] <hrw> LP question: is it possible to do bug query against few packages?
[09:51] <hrw> like: "show me all bugs on package1 package2 pkg3"
[10:06] <jtv> hrw: not that I know.
[10:07] <jtv> hrw: you could cheat a little though by copy-pasting search-page URLs into multiple browser tabs and editing the package names.
[10:10] <hrw> jtv: thats not even cheating
[10:10] <hrw> thx for info
[10:10] <jtv> hrw: we think of it as cheating because it means working around missing UI.  :-)
[10:13] <hrw> ok
[11:13] <beerpages> Kostenlose mini Homepages für Umfragen, Videos und vielem mehr auf www.beerpages.de - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/1P/Magst%20du%20%C3%84pfel%3F
[15:03] <hay09> hi
[15:04] <hay09> i want to download your patch for squid3
[15:04] <hay09> which support socks 5
[15:37] <adamw> hey, folks, quick q: is there a standard way to be notified of new releases for a launchpad project?
[15:37] <adamw> i can't see rss feeds or anything
[16:15] <deryck> adamw, if the project makes announcements, they'll be on the announcements page with a feed.  For example, see: https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+announcements
[16:15] <deryck> adamw, is that the sort of thing you're looking for?
[16:16] <deryck> These should linked from the project overview page, too.
[16:17] <adamw> deryck: that's the kind of thing, yup, but the project in question apparently doesn't do announcements :/
[16:18] <adamw> deryck: i figured there could be an automated RSS feed for each app that gets updated whenever a new release is done
[16:18] <adamw> deryck: seems like it'd be pretty easy
[16:18] <deryck> I'm not sure how we do announcements actually.  I'm sure sinzui knows and could comment.
[16:18]  * deryck is too lazy to go look at code
[16:18] <adamw> =)
[16:18] <adamw> to be specific, the one i'm looking at atm is dee
[16:18] <adamw> https://launchpad.net/dee
[16:19] <adamw> no announcements, but like all it has a downloads sidebar with 'latest version is' info, so obviously launchpad can figure it out
[16:19] <adamw> so i was just hoping there was a standard way to get some kind of push notification when the latest version changes.
[16:19] <sinzui> adamw, the downloads button is populate when there is a file uploaded to a release on the current series
[16:21] <sinzui> adamw, announcements are created when a project owner chooses to create an announcement. You can ask members of https://launchpad.net/~dxpmteam to make announcements
[16:22] <adamw> sinzui: it's not that i specifically want announcements, deryck just suggested that as a way of getting what i wanted
[16:22] <adamw> sinzui: what i want is exactly to be notified when a file is uploaded to a release on the current series
[16:22] <sinzui> adamw, that is a known feature request
[16:22]  * sinzui looks for bug id
[16:23] <adamw> sinzui: ah, cool, thanks
[16:23] <sinzui> adamw, Bug #424189
[16:25] <adamw> sinzui: thanks again
[17:13] <geser> is the upload processor swamped? I got no emails yet for uploads 30 min ago
[18:00] <bigjools> geser: I am checking
[18:08] <bigjools> geser: someone uploaded a load of langpacks.  It's swamped.
[20:12] <lallenlowe> hey guys, trying to do a release, getting this error:
[20:12] <lallenlowe> ERROR: quickly can't release: 0.1 seems to be already released. Choose another name.
[20:12] <lallenlowe> I have a 0.1 milestone, but no release
[20:12] <lallenlowe> is there ANY way I can force it to work?
[20:12] <lallenlowe> or something I can delete on launchpad?
[20:34] <jelmer> lallenlowe: probably best to ask in #quickly
[20:36] <lallenlowe> jelmer: I did, it's actually not a quickly problem
[20:36] <lallenlowe> launchpad is keeping references to deleted releases or something


[14:12] <daver> hi there, any SmartQ users on here?
[14:13] <Stskeeps> we're a good bunch of them in #mer
[14:13] <daver> oh really?
[23:50] <Martyn> Is there any special kernel cmdline I need in order to get karmic to boot?
[23:50] <Martyn> Right now, I'm using:
[23:51] <Martyn> console=ttyS2,115200n8 vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60 omapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3


[02:51] <adymitruk> hi
[03:22] <adymitruk> hi
[04:51] <adymitruk> anyone here?
[04:52] <adymitruk> getting a white text on white background on a fresh kubuntu install
[05:05] <goddard> how can i disable the not so helpful hint that tells me I can "enhance" firefox by installing Flash?
[05:51] <adymitruk> anyone here see the white on white background in kmail??
[06:08] <user|66504> hi]
[06:09] <user|66504> how create folder on desktop link ubuntu in kubuntu?
[06:09] <user|66504> like*
[06:09] <user|66504> can anyone help me?
[06:10] <hateball> user|66504: Rightclick the desktop area and add widget
[06:10] <hateball> Unlock widgets first, if they are not
[06:10] <hateball> user|66504: What sort of link do you want to add? A shortcut to a program?
[06:11] <adymitruk> anyone get a white on white message list in kmail??
[06:11] <user|66504> not link I wanted to say like
[06:12] <user|66504> mean creating folder on desktop
[06:12] <hateball> user|66504: Then you add a widget/plasmoid that is Folder view
[06:12] <hateball> By default it will show your ~/Desktop folder, but you can change to anything else
[06:13] <hateball> adymitruk: Sorry, I do not use Kmail but have you tried changing theme?
[06:14] <hateball> See if it's something bugged there
[06:14] <adymitruk> it's very weird because even changing the settings to manually control colours doesn't do anything, hateball
[06:14] <adymitruk> going to try changing themes, then try to install a different version
[06:27] <adymitruk> ok.. so for some reason, kmail defaults to only one field in the message columns in the message list
[06:27] <adymitruk> something is weird
[06:27] <adymitruk> was so surprised that out of the box it was so broken
[06:27] <adymitruk> still fixing it :/
[06:35] <adymitruk> hmm. still can't get more than just the status column to show in the message list in kmail
[06:37] <adymitruk> testing
[07:47] <apparle> how should I update from 15.10 to 16.04 ?
[07:48] <apparle> is there a command line way to do this ? I had removed Muon due to some bug
[07:53] <_ebola_> i think automatic upgrade will be available in the summer
[07:55] <_ebola_> apparle: or try this "sudo update-manager -d"
[07:57] <hateball> _ebola_: there's no need for -d when going from 15.10
[07:57] <hateball> !ltsupgrade
[07:57] <hateball> apparle: just sudo do-release-upgrade will do
[07:57] <hateball> no point risking ending up at 16.10 :)
[07:58] <hateball> if you want to go from 14.04 to 16.04 before july 21st, you do however need the -d switch
[08:00] <yossarianuk> wouldn't the -d switch now upgrade to 16.10 ?
[08:00] <hateball> it shouldnt from 14.04... but I am not 100%
[08:04] <ussher_> yossarianuk:  yeah the -d does make the upgrade work, but it breaks mysql http://askubuntu.com/questions/766917/14-04-to-16-04-killed-mysql
[08:11] <jubo2> dohh
[08:11] <jubo2> what's the package name of the screengrab program
[08:12] <hateball> jubo2: in 16.04? Spectacle
[08:25] <yossarianuk> ussher_: did you run mysql_upgrade ?
 !info kde-spectacle
[08:35] <yossarianuk> wow - didn't realise that ksnapshot had changed its name
[08:36] <jubo2> yossarianuk: yep
[08:37] <jubo2> rebootzeit
[08:37] <jubo2> 8GB RAM and for some reason 400MB SWAP in use
[08:38] <jubo2> The SysMon in the panel reports 6GB RAM used
 spectacle is a re-write of most of ksnapshot to bring it into wayland-land
[08:38] <jubo2> weird
 there is a fix for that mysql problem though
 I think updates....
[08:44] <hateball> jubo2: if you're seeing heavy ram usage after upgrade you can issue "akonadictl stop". if something needs it, it'll restart
[08:44] <hateball> otherwise it'll just sit there and leak
[08:45] <jubo2> no upgrade. clean install
[08:45] <jubo2> and going to reinstall clean and this time get it more right
[08:45] <hateball> suppose it may be behaving ill even on clean install
[08:46] <jubo2> ok dänks
[08:46] <jubo2> it ain't a problem
[08:47] <jubo2> or not a big problem
[08:47] <jubo2> Takes couple of days for the RAM to get all used up
[09:12] <yofel> jubo2: bug 1576930
[09:14] <jubo2> mysqld isn't doing anything of interest on this machine
[09:17] <yofel> jubo2: ah, I read RAM and akonadi, and in 16.04 that's in most cases mysqld's fault
[10:29] <plasma_5_6> Hello - do we know when the plasma 5.6 will be available in the KUBUNTU backports?
[10:34] <plasma_5_6> Hello - do we know when the plasma 5.6 will be available in the KUBUNTU backports?
[10:37] <hateball> plasma_5_6: "when it's ready"
[10:37] <hateball> plasma_5_6: I recall someone in here saying it wasnt that far off tho, yesterday
[10:40] <plasma_5_6> plasma_5_6 will permit to arrange in the task bar the order of the minimized items? as windooze 7 it allows?
[10:42] <hateball> uh... you can already do that
[10:42] <hateball> since forever
[10:42] <acheron88> there are some staging builds of 5.6.3 done for xenial. but packaging team are short handed, so how long before they are seen as OK to put into backports is anyones's guess
[10:42] <hateball> plasma_5_6: change the settings of the taskbar, set sorting to manual
[10:44] <plasma_5_6> ahh thanks i didnd get that
[11:12] <apparle> !upgrade
[11:14] <apparle> someone please fix that link, it is broken.
[11:50] <user|99159> SO MANY BUGS
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <yossarianuk> user|99159: try being more specific - I've been running 16.04 for last few weeks (since it was out) at work with no major issues - apart from network manager
[13:08] <WarriorPoet> Salutations!
[13:08] <WarriorPoet> can anyone help me perhaps?
[13:09] <hateball> !help| WarriorPoet
[13:09] <WarriorPoet> I apologize.
[13:13] <WarriorPoet> i want to switch from using windows, i have concerns about using Linux without in depth computer knowledge ( i can find my way around pc's and all but Linux is an exotic bird for me ) and my main concern is gaming compatibility and also privacy, i do not require or attached to any special kind of programs on windows or anything but i have several g
[13:13] <WarriorPoet> ames that really really like to be able to play on Linux so i was wondering if there is something in Linux like parallel in apple os
[13:14] <WarriorPoet> !patience
[13:18] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  a lot of steam games are ported to linux, you can check that out .
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !steam
[13:19] <WarriorPoet> and what about privacy ?
[13:20] <WarriorPoet> i mean i want to switch to Linux just because they don't allow me to delete stuff and i don't have control over my own pc
[13:20] <WarriorPoet> i mean i hate windows defender
[13:21] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  who's "they" ?
[13:21] <WarriorPoet> microsoft
[13:21] <BluesKaj> are you a home user or is this a work pc?
[13:23] <WarriorPoet> home user
[13:24] <BluesKaj> you have some choices, you can still run windows for games not playable on linux by dual booting windows and linux on separate partitions  or using a VM
[13:25] <hateball> WarriorPoet: There's no "phoning home" etc under Linux/*ubuntu
[13:25] <WarriorPoet> by VN you mean virtual machine?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:26] <WarriorPoet> i would prefer that actually.
[13:26] <hateball> WarriorPoet: As for games, I have ~200 on steam. Or you can try Wine/Playonlinux for those games not native to Linux
[13:26] <hateball> Gaming in a VM is... bad. Unless you have the hardware to do GPU passthrough
[13:26] <WarriorPoet> i see
[13:26] <hateball> I think it's ~2000 native games on steam now
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> hateball what do you mean by there is not phoning home ?
[13:27] <hateball> WarriorPoet: Well, with regards to the privacy
[13:27] <BluesKaj> spyware
[13:27] <user|67161> he
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> i don't follow
[13:27] <hateball> Your OS wont tell some corporation what you have installed or what you're doing
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> ok
[13:28] <WarriorPoet> so that's a good thing
[13:28] <WarriorPoet> i was this idea in my head not sure how much it is viable
[13:29] <hateball> WarriorPoet: Oh, and if you are going to be gaming a lot I hope you have nvidia hardware. AMD support is... not great, yet
[13:29] <WarriorPoet> i am using a laptop
[13:29] <WarriorPoet> with gtx dedicated card
[13:29] <hateball> Hybrid graphics? That can be a pain in itself
[13:30] <WarriorPoet> will that pose a problem ?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> optimus in other words
[13:30] <WarriorPoet> what is optimus
[13:31] <hateball> If you have a machine that switches between intel and nvidia
[13:31] <BluesKaj> dual gpus , intel and nvidia
[13:31] <WarriorPoet> ya
[13:31] <hateball> If you have a muxless laptop, that's no problem
[13:31] <hateball> ie you only use one card at a time, regulated in bios
[13:31] <hateball> newer nvidia drivers handle optimus also, it's just... more pain
[13:32] <WarriorPoet> i have asus n552vx
[13:32] <WarriorPoet> if it helps
[13:33] <WarriorPoet> and also by gaming i mean usually Eve online and things like smite or dota and most of the total war games
[13:33] <WarriorPoet> not like heavy graphic demanding games
[13:33] <yossarianuk> since 16.04 hybrid graphics works well
[13:34] <yossarianuk> my work lappy has a 960M/Intel GPU - just install the 364 drivers from the PPA
[13:34] <hateball> WarriorPoet: well, you should research what games are native or at least run decent with WINE before switching
[13:34] <hateball> WarriorPoet: dota and some TW games are native, I dont think eve and smite are
[13:35] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  no hybrid graphics on your laptop
[13:35] <WarriorPoet> so that's a good thing blue?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yes for gpu drivers
[13:36] <WarriorPoet> also what about drivers and such ?
[13:36] <WarriorPoet> are manufacturers like asus provide drivers for Linux based systems?
[13:37] <hateball> WarriorPoet: the only drivers you need are for nvidia GPU, the rest is builtin
[13:37] <WarriorPoet> :o
[13:37] <hateball> WarriorPoet: and the drivers are installed with one click once installed
[13:37] <hateball> once os is installed*
[13:37] <WarriorPoet> i see
[13:41] <WarriorPoet> so for a to do list, research if games i want have native support, or have good wine support ( which i assume is some kind of emulator ? ) do i want to know anything else before switching?
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> are there like fundamental changes when it comes to switching from windows to Linux?
[13:42] <hateball> WarriorPoet: well, you can always liveboot the machine and make sure your hardware works as expected
[13:42] <hateball> audio etc
[13:42] <hateball> You run the install media in live mode
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> from a cd
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> i have read about it
[13:43] <WarriorPoet> is it viable option?
[13:43] <WarriorPoet> but i do not want any trace of windows in my pc
[13:43] <hateball> CD's are too small, DVD or USB fits the install
[13:43] <BluesKaj> just for testing your hardware
[13:43] <hateball> WarriorPoet: You will be given the option to use the entire drive when you decide to install
[13:44] <hateball> WarriorPoet: That will wipe anything else off of it. So backup documents and such
[13:44] <WarriorPoet> i would assume so. but my concern is that Microsoft has some hidden partitions ?
[13:44] <WarriorPoet> or whatever?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> brings the questio about uefi/bios setup
[13:44] <BluesKaj> question even
[13:45] <WarriorPoet> yes will changing OS will somehow impact the uefi/bios
[13:45] <BluesKaj> depends what you wnat top do with your windows installation
[13:46] <BluesKaj> want to do
[13:46] <WarriorPoet> i want to erease microsoft's grip from my pc
[13:47] <WarriorPoet> call me tinfoil hat crazy person but i just don't like win10
[13:47] <BluesKaj> then use the whole drive for kubuntu in the installer partitoner phase
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> ok
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> much obliged for the info and the advices gentlemen! have a good day! i will conduct my research now! many thanks!
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> peace to you! farewell.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  enjoy
[15:03] <ArrP> My system settings applet has vanished. I was wondering what package I should install to restore my control panel
[15:05] <ArrP> Not much activity here or is it me?
[15:07] <ArrP> Hello? anyone here?
[15:13] <acheron88> vanished in what sense?
[15:14] <acheron88> type systemsettings in kicker/krunner or command line
[15:14] <acheron88> should find it
[15:18] <rattking> yeah its the systemsettings package, but ArrP is long gone
[15:20] <acheron88> so they are....
[16:56] <ronnoc> wow according to Ubuntu, the quality of each release seems to be getting worse since 15.04 https://errors.ubuntu.com/?login-failed=true
[16:57] <ronnoc> With apturl clearly leading the way, for whatever reason
[16:59] <goddard> ronnoc: what is the isse?
[17:00] <ronnoc> isse?
[17:07] <Lines> Hey so quick question, im I missing something on the new kubuntu install or did I put the iso on the usb wrong. It just has me booted to a desktop and it didnt give me any menu like normally on a install.
[17:09] <soee> yes this is known bug in ubiquity
[17:09] <marco-parillo> Lines: Yes, that commonly occurs.
[17:09] <Lines> Ahh alright, any workaround yet or should I just reinstall the iso?
[17:09] <marco-parillo> It seems to be I only get the try / install option on my old, slow netbook.
[17:09] <marco-parillo> You should see a small folderview widget
[17:09] <marco-parillo> In it, should be the installer.
[17:09] <Lines> AHHHH
[17:10] <Lines> found it, appricate the help
[17:10] <marco-parillo> P.S. I prefer that behavior, as I use my USB for home banking.
[17:10] <Lines> Yeah I was thinking of using it for work, but I dont think they would like that very much haha.
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Hello folks o/
[17:26] <goddard> ronnoc: issue*
[17:27] <goddard> sick_rimmit: what up
[17:27] <EvilRoey> hi
[17:28] <EvilRoey> hey guys where can I download the USB stick image for Kubuntu 16.04?
[17:28] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: ^
[17:28] <goddard> kubuntu.org
[17:28] <goddard> get the torrent
[17:28] <goddard> its faster
[17:29] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[17:33] <EvilRoey> hi BluesKaj
[17:33] <EvilRoey> goddard: the torrent of what, the DVD .iso?
[17:33] <goddard> yeah
[17:33] <EvilRoey> goddard: I want to install Kubuntu off of a USB drive
[17:33] <EvilRoey> how do I do that?
[17:33] <EvilRoey> like, how do I put the .iso on to the usb drive
[17:33] <EvilRoey> if that is possible
[17:33] <EvilRoey> I want to boot off of it
[17:34] <goddard> oh you need to write the image to your USB stick
[17:34] <EvilRoey> yeah, howwo?
[17:34] <goddard> EvilRoey: lots of people use https://unetbootin.github.io/
[17:34] <EvilRoey> with .iso fo DVDs it'
[17:34] <EvilRoey> oh so now netboot instead of usb stick?
[17:34] <goddard> no it uses a usb stick
[17:34] <EvilRoey> ok
[17:34] <EvilRoey> thanks
[17:34] <goddard> its just the name
[17:35] <BluesKaj> disk creator works ok and dd as well
[17:35] <BluesKaj> unetbootin works only half the time IME
[17:35] <sick_rimmit> EvilRoey: you running Windows or some flavour of Linux ?
[17:36] <sick_rimmit> EvilRoey: If linux then this will work for you
[17:37] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: linux
[17:37] <EvilRoey> kubuntu 15.10 -> 16.04 fucks up on me
[17:38] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: it chokes when it tries to upgrade systemd to 225
[17:38] <EvilRoey> from 219
[17:38] <sick_rimmit> Download ISO via Torrent - Open Terminal - fdisk -l - Check list - Insert USB Stick - fdisk -l - See new device in list, like /dev/sdc - now cd to directory where you downloaded iso - dd if=<name of iso-file> of=/dev/sdc bs=64K
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Roey, you know better ...language!
[17:38] <EvilRoey> :) fine fine
[17:38] <BluesKaj> it's nopt
[17:38] <EvilRoey> Kubuntu drops pretty flowers (of errors) at my feet
[17:39] <EvilRoey> when I try to upgrade it
[17:39] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: oh I didn't know it doesn't need anything special, thanks
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> Ah well then perhaps some apt magic is required
[17:39] <EvilRoey> I've been wrestling this alligator for a week now
[17:39] <EvilRoey> let's see
[17:39] <EvilRoey> I'm trying to find the specific error
[17:39] <EvilRoey> one sec
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> You might need sudo prior to the dd command
[17:40] <EvilRoey> the laptop is at home
[17:40] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: yeah I'm sure of it
[17:40] <sick_rimmit> I get you a link which will help with apt foo
[17:40] <EvilRoey> ah
[17:40] <sick_rimmit> one minute
[17:41] <EvilRoey> I get this error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/631362/error-getting-authority-error-initializing-authority-could-not-connect-no-suc
[17:41] <EvilRoey> it tries to upgrade systemd
[17:41] <EvilRoey> and then I get three of this error
[17:41] <EvilRoey> No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 2)
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> hmm let me try the bo
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> !apt-get
[17:41] <EvilRoey> aye
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes there it is
[17:41] <EvilRoey> so for now I'm on the command line
[17:42] <EvilRoey> didn't even bother to start X
[17:42] <EvilRoey> using apt-get -f install, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get update and other commands
[17:42] <sick_rimmit> You may need to do a --fix-missing, then perhaps a purge, then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:42] <EvilRoey> okk
[17:42] <EvilRoey> what'sthe use case for using --fix-missing
[17:42] <EvilRoey> specifically?
[17:42] <EvilRoey> as I have never had occasion to use it
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> Sorts out stuff that got busted in previous calls
[17:43] <EvilRoey> ahh ok
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> or missing packages
[17:43] <EvilRoey> apt-get dist-ugprade --fix-missing, right?
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> invoke thus
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> apt-get update
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> apt-get install --fix-missing
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> no package specifed, so your telling it to fix what ever is broke
[17:44] <EvilRoey> ok
[17:44] <EvilRoey> I am always amazed at how Ubuntu (I won't be blaming KDE here) manages to mess up its own upgrade
[17:44] <EvilRoey> it's always painful for me.
[17:44] <EvilRoey> I end up reinstalling
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> Funny, it's the opposite for me, I 've never had it blow up
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> Even when I upgrade to Plasma 5 Tech Preview
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> dunno why
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> but I am not complaining
[18:18] <ronnoc> goddard: the issue is, as the link clearly states in the graph, that there are noticeable more application crashes post 15.04. It's kind of shocking, really. https://errors.ubuntu.com/?login-failed=true
[18:30] <krytarik> ronnoc: If you look closely, you'll notice that it doesn't cover the full life span of 15.04 though.
[19:01] <fmeerkoetter> i am running a 14.04. i've installed llvm/clang from llvm.org using their packet repo. this worked fine. i now have clang-3.8. the problem is that basically everything in these packages has the -3.8 postfix
[19:01] <fmeerkoetter> this makes CMAKE for example unhappy
[19:02] <fmeerkoetter> is there a way to tell kubuntu that i want to have that -3.8 as default
[19:02] <fmeerkoetter> so clang-3.8 becomes clang?
[19:03] <goddard> ronnoc: one thing I think you have to remember is that LTS releases are the recommended place to start as a new user
[19:03] <goddard> ronnoc: also from LTS to LTS the most stable version are the first point release
[19:03] <goddard> so if you are coming from 14.04 to 16.04 you shouldn't of upgraded yet
[19:04] <goddard> ronnoc: also im not sure what issues you are having exactly. I am running Kubuntu 16.04 and haven't experienced any issues
[19:04] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: look into update-alternatives
[19:05] <ronnoc> sure I get all that goddard and krytarik. my comment was more a 10k-foot view of the graph and my 1st impression. Nothing more. Taken that way, the trend in the number of crashes has definitely trended 'up'.  One could also argue that the number of crashes mens more users as in a bigger user-base.
[19:05] <ronnoc> I merely bring it up for as an observation as I hadn't seen that graph before :)
[19:05] <goddard> ronnoc: that graph doesn't display 14.04 it displays 14.04.3 and up
[19:06] <goddard> that is 3 point releases after 14.04
[19:06] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: i fiddled around with it
[19:06] <fmeerkoetter> but didn't grok it
[19:07] <fmeerkoetter> update-alternatives --list clang
[19:07] <fmeerkoetter> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for clang
[19:08] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: i dont have clang installed so cant test but that is what i always use
[19:10] <goddard> http://stackoverflow.com/a/12843988/1325621
[19:10] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: ^
[19:11] <goddard> update-alternatives --config c++
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: There is only one alternative in link group c++ (providing /usr/bin/c++): /usr/bin/g++
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> still i have
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> /usr/bin/clang++-3.8
[19:16] <fmeerkoetter> it does not seem to be recognized as an alternative
[19:17] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: i believe you can add a binary path and name
[19:17] <goddard> man update-alternatives
[19:18] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: might want to get some more opinions on how to do that
[19:18] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: ive never added one before as the things i update are always present
[19:18] <goddard> but i think --install would work
[19:19] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: yeah. i guess i have to look around. its not only that one binary. there is a whole suite of binaries with that postfix (30~)
[19:19] <fmeerkoetter> i don't want to add alternatives by hand for all of them...
[19:19] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: this is from the repos?
[19:19] <goddard> apt
[19:19] <goddard> or a ppa or something?
[19:20] <fmeerkoetter> http://llvm.org/apt/
[19:20] <fmeerkoetter> 14.04 packages
[19:23] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: hmmm this has me curious, but maybe the package manager would control updating those settings. I could be wrong though.
[19:24] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: may be. the thing is i am missing the right keyword to google-search
[19:24] <fmeerkoetter> :-)
[19:25] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: you might not want to do this, but it appears 16.04 has 3.8
[19:25] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: no go. its my work machine...
[19:26] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: figured as much
[19:29] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: here is a more ubuntu specific iteration of the last link i sent http://askubuntu.com/a/700362/37577
[19:43] <Smurphy> So - I will install 16.04 on my old mac mini 2,1 - the b*tch that has a 64bit hardware but a 32bit EFI firmware - breaking havoc all installers :D
[19:43] <Smurphy> Will be an interesting exercise :}
[20:34] <Roey> hi
[20:35] <Roey> goddard:  heya
[20:35] <Roey> anyone here who knows apt-get?
[20:37] <Roey> I tried apt-get install --fix-missing -f,  but I still get this error as the system chokes trying to upgrade systemd from 219 to 225:  ""Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: COuldnot connect: No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 1) and then addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a sstem group.  Exiting.
[20:39] <Roey> omfg
[20:39] <Roey> thisis so infuriating
[20:40] <Roey> I tried to put a Kubuntu image on a USB stick and now it tells me "Missing operating system." at boot.
[20:44] <goddard> Roey: yeah it happens
[20:44] <Roey> every. effing. time I upgrade.
[20:44] <Roey> it's always painful and ends up with me reinstalling outright.
[20:45] <Roey> there's always something that breaks.
[20:45] <goddard> Roey: I always back up the entire disk before attempting to upgrade and then just revert if I don't have the time to mess with it
[20:45] <goddard> clonezilla is a pretty fast live distro for that
[20:46] <Roey> ok
[20:46] <goddard> sometimes bugs happen and i just report them and follow up on them
[20:46] <Roey> luckily this is my laptop and not my desktop.
[20:46] <goddard> usually I wait for the first point release to upgrade
[20:46] <Roey> when I upgrade my desktop........
[20:46] <Roey> ugh
[20:46] <goddard> or just install fresh
[20:47] <goddard> one thiing you can do to make it easier to install fresh is make your home directory its own partition
[20:47] <goddard> another useful method
[20:48] <goddard> Roey: i think the hardest thing in Linux is not tweak things to much when you are running low on time
[20:48] <goddard> at least for me
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  I've always done that
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  I worry if I use BTRFS
[20:48] <Roey> for / and /home,
[20:48] <goddard> tweak less and work more is my motto now
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  if I reinstall, will it screw up /home? because BTRFS apparently takes over all of them.
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  yeah that's what I've done over the years myself.  I used to hand-roll kernels
[20:48] <goddard> unless you are a bug tester or just like reinstalling a lot
[20:49] <Roey> I used to use Debian Sid for the longest time
[20:49] <goddard> Roey: i think BTRFS isn't very good
[20:49] <Roey> heh
[20:49] <Roey> I dunno
[20:49] <goddard> Red Hat just dropped it
[20:49] <Roey> I installed it because I wanted to more smartly back up0
[20:49] <Roey> up
[20:49] <Roey> Red Hat dropped it for RHEL 6
[20:49] <Roey> not for RHEL 7
[20:49] <goddard> and ZFS is coming soon
[20:50] <goddard> with linux you really gotta be slow to adopt things
[20:50] <goddard> in my opinion
[20:50] <goddard> not like basic apps
[20:50] <Roey> let's let ZFS change to GPL first?
[20:50] <Roey> ;:)
[20:51] <goddard> Roey: i prefer GNU GPL of course but I just use ext4 personally and do full disk backups once a week
[20:51] <Roey> righ
[20:51] <Roey> right
[20:51] <Roey> I use dirvish to back up incrementally
[20:51] <Roey> to backup hard drives
[20:51] <Roey> which I rotate
[20:52] <Roey> among different physical locations
[20:52] <goddard> Roey: sounds smart, but it takes so long to get the trickle down from all the little features
[20:52] <Roey> I know...
[20:52] <Roey> that's why I moved from Debian to Kubuntu.
[20:52] <goddard> ahh
[20:53] <Roey> I started out with Red Hat and found it too much of a hassle (this was in the days of pure RPM and no yum)
[20:53] <goddard> Roey: yeah me too
[20:53] <Roey> then Debian comes along with apt-get and frees me from having to download a whole tree of dependent libraries
[20:53] <Roey> just to install a program
[20:53] <goddard> bought the disks at Staples WAAY back in the day
[20:53] <Roey> hehehe
[20:53] <Roey> ya know what
[20:54] <Roey> Mushkin anounced that they're going to release a 4 tb ssd for $500.
[20:54] <goddard> Roey: you tried just plain apt yet?
[20:54] <goddard> that would be awesome
[20:54] <Roey> what do you mean
[20:54] <goddard> apt install kde
[20:54] <goddard> apt search kde
[20:54] <goddard> etc..
[20:55] <goddard> im on 16.04 and just found out about it
[20:55] <goddard> little bit nicer then apt-get / apt-cache
[20:55] <goddard> installed by default
[20:55] <Roey> ah
[20:55] <Roey> ok
[20:55] <Roey> I am reinstallling kubuntu via dvd
[20:55] <Roey> to myh laptop
[20:55] <Roey> hold on
[20:55] <goddard> k
[20:56] <Roey> I'll BBL actually :)
[21:35] <MobileRoey> goddard, hello from hexchat on kubuntu 16.04
[21:42] <MobileRoey> now I'm upgrading my desktop
[21:42] <MobileRoey> with do-dist-upgrade -d.
[21:42] <soee> to Yakkety?
[21:43] <MobileRoey> nono from 15.10 -> 16.04
[21:43] <soee> run without -d
[21:43] <MobileRoey> the laptop I upgraded from 15.10 -> 16.04 by reinstalling, since the upgrade messed up on me.
[21:43] <MobileRoey> why without -d?
[21:43] <MobileRoey> it goes to xenial not yakkity
[21:43] <soee> -d means development version which is Yakkety now
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ok
[21:44] <soee> but well probably not available now as a version
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ruh-roh
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ah
[21:44] <MobileRoey> phew, thanks ;)
[21:46] <jcgs> hi
[21:47] <soee> hiho jcgs
[21:47] <jcgs> I'm having issues playing fullscreen video in firefox. Apparently I have to try disabling hardware acceleration in flash but it's missing from system settings
[21:47] <jcgs> any ideas?
[21:47] <jcgs> hi soee :)
[21:55] <genii> jcgs: Method #1 as suggested here: http://superuser.com/questions/434762/disable-hardware-acceleration-for-flash-player-in-linux
[22:01] <MobileRoey> hello
[22:02] <MobileRoey> how do I treat connect to my phone as storage, in KDE, via Bluetooth?  I've managed to pair the phone and my laptop... but I don't see a file tree anywhere.
[22:04] <soee> MobileRoey: what OS have your phone ?
[22:04] <MobileRoey> android
[22:04] <MobileRoey> soee, android
[22:05] <soee> what version?
[22:05] <MobileRoey> em... one sec
[22:05] <MobileRoey> not the most current version
[22:05] <MobileRoey> because I rooted it
[22:06] <MobileRoey> and verizon refuses to update it
[22:06] <jcgs> genii: I'm trying this
[22:06] <soee> well anyway try kdeconnect
[22:06] <jcgs> genii: those instructions must be old, as the right-click settings menu has gone now which is the whole issue
[22:06] <soee> install it on your Phone and use on dekstop to pair device
[22:07] <soee> than use Dolphin to browe phone
[22:07] <MobileRoey> soee, isthat a program?
[22:07] <genii> jcgs: Hence why I suggested the method described which has nothing to do with the rightclicking.
[22:08] <genii> eg: Method #1   ...create the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg file, put inside of it: EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[22:08] <MobileRoey> oh
[22:08] <MobileRoey> soee, ohh ok.
[22:10] <jcgs> genii: I've done that, it may have disabled hardware acceleration but i have no way of checking. however, it hasn't meant I can play firefox videos in full screen :(
[22:10] <MobileRoey> soee, downloading and installing it now.
[22:11] <MobileRoey> soee, ok now what?
[22:11] <MobileRoey> I don't see any devices to connect to
[22:11] <MobileRoey> (from the kdeconnect program on my phone)
[22:11] <genii> jcgs: It won't take effect until a logout-login cycle
[22:11] <MobileRoey> soee, and I'm already paired with the laptop
[22:12] <jcgs> genii: what? I have to close down all of X and everything?
[22:13] <jcgs> genii: ugh :( I guess I can only try it... what happend to the graphical settings that's supposed to ship with flash? what's ubuntu done with them?
[22:13] <genii> jcgs: Yes, otherwise all the previous settings are still cached
[22:13] <jcgs> back in a sec :)
[22:22] <soee> MobileRoey: do you have Wifi enabled ?
[22:22] <jcgs> genii: same as before :( video playback not working
[22:23] <MobileRoey> er
[22:23] <MobileRoey> soee, one sec
[22:26] <genii> jcgs: If you put in the URL bar:  about:plugins      ...what does it say for the Shockwave Flash section of the plugins?
[22:26] <MobileRoey> soee, ok, I enabled wifi on my laptop
[22:27] <jcgs> genii: Version: <IP_ADDRESS>6
[22:27] <jcgs> genii: it's new, I think the older one worked better
[22:28] <genii> jcgs: Do you also have the package called: kubuntu-restricted-extras  installed?
[22:28] <jcgs> genii: yes
[22:29] <jcgs> genii: I have updates pending, let me see if there is anything interesting in there
[22:29] <MobileRoey> back
[22:34] <jcgs> genii: there is a new flash actually, let's see if that helps
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, sorry for that
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, back
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, so anyway I have all devices on wifi now
[22:36] <MobileRoey> soee, I still don't see any available devices in the KDE Connect app on the phone
[22:38] <MobileRoey> soee, hey!!!!I got it working!!
[22:44] <MobileRoey> soee, oh this remote control thing is so cool
[22:45] <soee> :)
[22:49] <jcgs> genii: I don't think it's any better after updating flash but thanks for your help anyway
[22:49] <jcgs> genii: bed time for me now
[22:50] <MobileRoey> soee :)
[22:51] <MobileRoey> is there a way to limit file-sharing between the phone and laptop so that the laptop can manage the phone's files but not vice versa?
[22:51] <MobileRoey> also, I <3 kde
[22:52] <MobileRoey> <3 <3 <3
[22:53] <soee> not sure
[22:53] <MobileRoey> ok
[22:53] <soee> i think you cant browse PC files from phone
[22:54] <MobileRoey> oh ok good
[22:54] <MobileRoey> I tried that remote-control and got concerned, that's all
[22:55] <soee> it allows to move cursor
[22:55] <MobileRoey> oh ok
[22:55] <MobileRoey> it doesn't show the contents of the screen on the phone, good
[22:57] <MobileRoey> bbiab
[22:57] <MobileRoey> soee, thank you *so* much
[23:02] <MobileRoey> soee, now, trying to connect it so that I can browse the phone's files through the wired desktop
[23:02] <MobileRoey> soee, I don't see it in the paired devices list
[23:02] <MobileRoey> on the phone
[23:03] <soee> you sure? Ifyou pen menu
[23:03] <soee> you done have it above "Pair new devie" ?
[23:03] <MobileRoey> what do yo mean
[23:04] <MobileRoey> what steps should I take on the desktop?
[23:04] <MobileRoey> soee, I tried to connect to the phone but it says failed to connect
[23:04] <soee> connect where/how ?
[23:06] <MobileRoey> KDE control module
[23:06] <MobileRoey> for bluetooth
[23:06] <MobileRoey> it finds the phone but when I do connect, it fails to do so
[23:07] <MobileRoey> oh btw
[23:07] <MobileRoey> soee, have to run will be back in about two hours..
[23:07] <MobileRoey> ciao and thanks so much
[23:07] <MobileRoey> looking forward to chattting with you again soon
[23:07] <soee> bluetooth?
[23:07] <MobileRoey> ya
[23:07] <soee> use Dolphin
[23:07] <MobileRoey> I have a bluetooth adaptor for my desktop
[23:08] <soee> open it and browse your device when connected
[23:12] <MobileRoey> soee, apaprently it is paired for audio only
[23:12] <MobileRoey> how do I change this?
[23:12] <MobileRoey> I don't see bluetooth in my dolphin on the desktop
[23:14] <soee> i do not know i don't use bluetooth :(
[23:14] <soee> i use WiFi to connect devices
[23:14] <MobileRoey> ok
[23:14] <MobileRoey> so I am wondering how i would connect this to my
[23:14] <MobileRoey> oh
[23:14] <MobileRoey> just specify the ip......
[23:16] <MobileRoey> hrm
[23:16] <MobileRoey> tried that
[23:16] <MobileRoey> no go
[23:16] <MobileRoey> like...
[23:16] <MobileRoey> I tried adding it on my phone in kde connect
[23:16] <MobileRoey> by IP
[23:16] <MobileRoey> but... it does nto appear in the list of devices available to connect to
[23:18] <MobileRoey> ok
[23:18] <MobileRoey> will BBL
[23:18] <MobileRoey> see you then, soee
[23:18] <MobileRoey> :)
[23:18] <soee> bye :)


[12:45] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:45] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[12:46] <Lutin> hi TheMuso
[12:46] <TheMuso> Hey Lutin.
[12:46] <Lutin> TheMuso: back online eventually ? :)
[12:47] <TheMuso> Lutin: Indeed.
[12:49] <sharms> what do you guys think: http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=95
[12:49] <sharms> I promise, nothing about enhancedbash there
[12:50] <ajmitch> you have to find a couple of 'very experienced MOTUs'
[12:50] <sharms> right, I think we have that covered
[12:50] <ajmitch> how often do you propose these sessions be run?
[12:51] <sharms> once a week, then I assume the novices will gain experience and the project will lose momentum and die, hopefully giving us ~5 new people who can help
[12:51] <ajmitch> it may work, if time isn't wasted on lots of simple questions
[12:51] <ajmitch> ie, people must expect to do some research beforehand
[12:51] <ajmitch> 5-10 packages in an hour is optimistic
[12:52] <sharms> I am just talking about things like .desktop fixes etc
[12:52] <pochu> hi TheMuso
[12:52] <sharms> and that you would have 5-10 people working on each package individually
[12:52] <Demon012> sharms: just at a glance are you proposing MOTU Classes?
[12:52] <TheMuso> Hey pochu
[12:52] <ajmitch> whoever is leading the session will need to keep track of who is doing what & where they're at
[12:52] <sharms> A little different because it is agenda driven as in getting packages actually fixed
[12:52] <Simon80> sharms: it's* ad sponsored drinking... I'm a grammar whore
[12:52] <sharms> yeah i added that in last week when I was on digg, hastily
[12:53] <ajmitch> even .desktop fixes can take a bit of time for someone who's new, and needs some explanation
[12:53] <sharms> I think slomo was able to explain it to me in under an hour
[12:53] <sharms> provided they read any docs before hand I think it can be done
[12:54] <ajmitch> sharms: and you propose that someone explain this & hold the hands of 5-10 people within an hour
[12:54] <ajmitch> each package being different
[12:54] <pochu> slomo: I've packaged liferea 1.2.12, so if you haven't done it yet, feel free to upload it :)
[12:54] <pochu> slomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/
[12:54] <ajmitch> an hour is really quite short :)
[12:54] <sharms> well I am hoping that most of the time the people are trying really hard to make it happen, so that they wont all just be on IRC the whole time
[12:55] <sharms> so the motu experts time may be taken up, but by different people as they run into different issues
[12:55] <ajmitch> people will need to know the basics of building a source package, a binary package, testing, creating .desktop files, etc
[12:56] <sharms> yeah I just know people learn quicker by doing if they are like me, just a way to get feet wet etc
[12:56] <sharms> hopefully they have already attended the open week sessions etc, maybe read some transcripts of prior motu-school sessions
[12:56] <sharms> but just have trouble piecing it all together
[12:57] <sharms> its a risk, but hopefully the next week, they dont ask those same questions
[12:58] <ajmitch> how long do you think this could be sustained?
[12:59] <sharms> well I am a realist a times, and I fully expect for the idea to lose momentum after a month and a half or so
[12:59] <ajmitch> motu school had a lot of enthusiasm as well
[12:59] <sharms> and that would only take 6 hours of total expert MOTU time
[12:59] <ajmitch> but not many people willing to commit to a time & teach
[01:00] <sharms> thats why I buy them beer
[01:00] <ajmitch> well that's fine, I hardly fit into the appropriate category :)
[01:01] <sharms> I just know what I would like to see, for myself, and think that there are a lot of untapped resources of people who are just overwhelmed
[01:01] <sharms> if the people in #ubuntu can sit on IRC for 6 hours a day and not contribute, and we can turn a few into contributors, that could be a lot of potential improvements
[01:05] <pochu> have a nice day!
[01:06] <LaserJock> sharms: I think your proposal can be basically summed up as "get MOTU School going and do interesting sessions"
[01:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock!!!!1
[01:07] <ajmitch> hi
[01:07] <LaserJock> hola andrew
[01:07] <KalleDK> Hey LaserJock nice session
[01:07] <LaserJock> thanks
[01:07] <sharms> yeah but I am really looking for work-based sessions
[01:07] <sharms> where as they get real experience
[01:08] <LaserJock> yep
[01:08] <LaserJock> I agree
[01:08] <LaserJock> we need a mixture of "Packaging 101" sessions for overview
[01:08] <LaserJock> and working sessions
[01:08] <LaserJock> where we really get something useful done
[01:08] <ajmitch> sharms: recruit expert MOTUs like laserjock
[01:08] <sharms> thats kind of one of the people I had in mind :)
[01:09] <LaserJock> hmm, I was thinking of real experts ;-)
[01:09] <sharms> anyone who is a potential mentor should be qualified enough
[01:10] <ajmitch> that's me out
[01:10] <sharms> basically anyone other than nixternal
[01:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:10] <LaserJock> he's a shady fellow ;-)
[01:10] <sharms> ha
[01:10] <LaserJock> he threatened to ice me last night
[01:10] <LaserJock> or have his gumbahs doe it
[01:10] <LaserJock> *do
[01:10] <ajmitch> hah
[01:11] <ajmitch> I'm sure he's harmless
[01:11] <sharms> I have played Rich (nixternal) in that TC-Elite combat game, he has no aim
[01:20] <KalleDK> Hey LaserJock... I would like to try to make some packing... As I can see hellanzb is v0.10 but on their main its 0.13.. where would i start to get this updated :)
[01:21] <TheMuso> KalleDK: Does Debian have the newer version yet?
[01:21] <KalleDK> Dunno
[01:21] <TheMuso> Wouldn't hurt to check.
[01:21] <KalleDK> Where :)
[01:22] <TheMuso> packages.debian.org for a start
[01:22] <KalleDK> Nope their at 0.10 also
[01:23] <TheMuso> Ok. I would check bugs for that package at bugs.debian.org to see whether someone has requested a new version.
[01:23] <KalleDK> I get something there
[01:24] <KalleDK> #418580: New version available
[01:24] <KalleDK> Package: hellanzb (0.12; fixed: hellanzb 0.13-1); Reported by: Maik Zumstrull<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:24] <KalleDK> Done: Adam Ccile (Le_Vert<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Will be archived in 16 days.
[01:25] <TheMuso> debian bug 418580
[01:25] <ubotu> Debian bug 418580 in hellanzb "New version available" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/418580
[01:26] <TheMuso> KalleDK: There is a chance that packages.debian.org is out of date. By the looks of that report, its already in Debian, which means that it will be updated in the gutsy cycle.
[01:27] <KalleDK> Which means I shouldn't touch it
[01:27] <TheMuso> there is no need to, no.
[01:27] <TheMuso> I'll check for sure when I have access to my sid chroot again.
[01:27] <KalleDK> Hm dammit :P
[01:28] <Fujitsu> packages.qa.debian.org is your friend.
[01:28] <ajmitch>   hellanzb |     0.13-1 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources
[01:28] <ajmitch> or apt-cache madison
[01:28] <Fujitsu> That works too.
[01:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: show off ;-)
[01:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[01:33] <LaserJock> your fancy madison usage
[01:34] <ajmitch> hah
[01:34] <KalleDK> Well can you find a tiny winy small thing I can package so I can test/learn/evolve???
[01:34] <ajmitch> you mean something that's been built into apt for ages?
[01:35] <KalleDK> Dont know.. just want to learn howto :)
[01:35] <Demon012> KalleDK:
[01:35] <Demon012> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:35] <Demon012> that seems to be the easiest one I have found to start off with so far
[01:36] <Demon012> this one is also useful > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics
[01:36] <KalleDK> Thx Demon012
[01:37] <Demon012> actually look at the first bit of the 2nd one first so you know what to install to start off with
[01:37] <Demon012> then go back and do the first 1
[01:37] <shawarma> Good thing I've got that nipple thing on my thinkpad. It makes for a soft landing.
[01:37] <enyc> shawarma: hrrm wonder if your keyboard makes asdfghjkl ar aoeuidhtns as your nose pressess buttons in a line ;-)
[01:38] <KalleDK> shawarma... Got a tutorial CHECK - Got Alex Gaudino feat Crystal Waters Destination Calabria CHECK - Got 10 RedBull CHECK
[01:38] <shawarma> enyc: No, the nipple prevents that too. It has many uses.
[01:38] <Demon012> heh that's what they term as qwerty'ing
[01:38] <enyc> Demon012: bit I dont have qwerty...
[01:38] <shawarma> I'm off for tonigt. Goodnight, guys!
[01:38] <shawarma> tonight, even.
[01:38] <enyc> Demon012: but I am in bed and have a clickykeyboard next to pillow ;-)
[01:38] <Demon012> heh azerty? =)
[01:39] <enyc> Demon012: no ;-) ',.pyfgcrl/= aoeuidhtns-\ qjkxbmwvz
[01:39] <Demon012> lol kk
[01:39] <shawarma> abcde ftw!
[01:39] <shawarma> I have a keyboard where the keys are in alphabetical order. Good fun.
[01:39] <enyc> but I can deal with qwertyuiop asdfghjkl zxcvbnm too
[01:40] <shawarma> Fun fact: The X is still in the same place.
[01:40] <shawarma> go figure.
[01:40] <enyc> hrrm my A and M are in qwerty places
[01:44] <LaserJock> darn it, I need to find a Sun keyboard
[01:45] <KalleDK> Got a G11 keyboard :P
[01:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Why'd you get a SPARC?
[01:48] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: cause it was free
[01:49] <LaserJock> I just need a keyboard so I can get it set u p
[01:49] <LaserJock> *up
[01:50] <jdong> Tasks for the Sun owner..... (1) Use xmodmap to swap ctrl and capslock.....
[01:55] <LaserJock> hmm, well I can get one on ebay for ~ $20
[02:01] <sharms> LaserJock: I am out of town til friday, but I might have one in my storage facility
[02:02] <sharms> I think I definitely have a sparc video out -> crt thing
[02:06] <LaserJock> sharms: I'm not sure I need one
[02:06] <LaserJock> sharms: I *think* it's got a regular VGA output
[02:06] <sharms> ah I had the little lunchbox size sparcs
[02:06] <LaserJock> in addittion to the sparc video out


[00:25] <bkm> Unit193: thx! not that i will remember, but it _is_ possible!
[02:55] <TurtleRr> New to *nix, but basically I'd like to completely erase a hard drive (plugged into an external enclosure) including "removing the GPT partition table"
[02:56] <TurtleRr> the drives are seagate 3TB drives, and are only seen as ~780gb when I run partitionmanager
[02:56] <holstein> i would use a gparted live CD.. or gparted from an ubuntu live CD.. unless you want it zero'd for some reason
[02:57] <TurtleRr> is there a hardware limitation possibly with the enclosure?
[02:57] <TurtleRr> I pulled it out of an external 1.5TB drive, so showing 800gb seems funny
[02:57] <TurtleRr> holstein: I can't do it from within lubuntu?
[02:58] <holstein> TurtleRr: i use a live CD.. could be a lubuntu live CD
[02:58] <holstein> you wont be able to erase the hard drive you are using
[02:59] <holstein> you could blow out a partition, but they'll always be some partition you cant wipe
[03:07] <TurtleRr> i just want to erase the drive that is connected via USB
[03:07] <TurtleRr> not the OS drive
[03:07] <holstein> TurtleRr: i would open gpart
[03:07] <holstein> gparted*
[03:07] <holstein> gksudo gparted TurtleRr
[03:08] <TurtleRr> gksudo ?
[03:08] <TurtleRr> is that different from sudo ?
[03:08] <holstein> TurtleRr: yeah.. its sudo for graphical applications
[03:08] <holstein> !sudo
[03:09] <TurtleRr> "unable to locate theme engine in module_path"
[03:09] <Unit193> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know the difference.
[03:10] <TurtleRr> can i install using the synaptic package manager?
[03:11] <holstein> TurtleRr: gparted? its in the repos... install it how you like.. synaptic works well
[03:12] <TurtleRr> hrmm so gparted seems to see the same thing
[03:12] <TurtleRr> recognizes drive as 746.52gb
[03:12] <holstein> what is it?.. are there several partitions?
[03:13] <holstein> run in a terminal.. sudo fdisk -l
[03:13] <TurtleRr> it doesnt recognize any of them
[03:13] <holstein> you can paste that if you like
[03:15] <TurtleRr> so /dev/sdb: 801.6gb
[03:15] <TurtleRr> system GPT
[03:16] <TurtleRr> the drive is from a NAS so the software RAID may not be readable, I just wanted to erase the drive and specifically the gpt table
[03:16] <holstein> TurtleRr: what RAID?
[03:17] <TurtleRr> I believe RAID 1
[03:17] <holstein> thats likely the issue..
[03:17] <holstein> i would take the drives out, or maintain it like the manufacturer suggests
[03:17] <holstein> OR, just wipe it as is.. its proably doing redundant storage
[03:17] <TurtleRr> yeah I just want to erase them so the NAS reinstalls its firmware and sets them up again
[03:18] <TurtleRr> how can I wipe the gpt tables ?
[03:18] <holstein> TurtleRr: in the menu in gparted
[03:18] <TurtleRr> "create partition table" ?
[03:18] <TurtleRr> so just create for example a DOS partition table?
[03:19] <holstein> TurtleRr: i dont know... depends on what you have, and what you want
[03:19] <TurtleRr> i guess my question is, if I only see 800gb of the drive, and as I understand the GPT partition table is at the end of the drive physically
[03:19] <TurtleRr> is there a hardware limitation stopping gparted from seeing the whole contents/
[03:20] <TurtleRr> would booting from a live usb help?
[03:23] <holstein> TurtleRr: if you dont know for certain, i bet its redundant
[03:23] <holstein> thats what i would expect to see...
[03:23] <holstein> TurtleRr: it wont be gparted.. it could be the driver support.. but it'll likely just not see the device
[03:24] <holstein> i would look at the manufactures information on how you are expected to format or wipe the drives
[03:24] <holstein> i would either do that, or emulate the process
[03:26] <TurtleRr> will give it a shot, thanks!
[03:27] <holstein> TurtleRr: sure.. we'll talk about emulating that process when you find it, if you need :)
[14:00] <Waynes> I want to make my second screen work but the AMD Catalyst Control Center wants me to start it with administrative rights in order to fiddle with these settings and I don't know the name of the program to start it from command line.
[16:05] <Platypus-Man> yesterday I tried installing Ubuntu desktop edition 64-bit on a PC, but after filling out the info in the "who are you"-setup page, I can't hit continue... waiting for all the files to copy didin't help, and today I tried downloading 64-bit with torrent to make sure md5sum was okay, and also tried 32-bit torrent - but I can't get past this step... any tips?
[17:07] <Dice-Man> hi
[17:07] <Dice-Man> i solved my ssh problem by looking at auth.log
[17:08] <Dice-Man> there was a problem with the listen address
[17:08] <Dice-Man> i solved it then sshd automatically start on booting
[17:24] <bkm> /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/gnome_keyring_hibernate in gconf-editor <- is there a lubuntu equivalent method of accessing this file/whatever so that ssh-agent sessions will survive a hibernation?
[22:34] <foolinsd> hi everyone!


[00:38] <philipballew> if i have a desktop with ddr 3200 ram can i just stick any ram with ddr into it and it will run?
[00:40] <pleia2> your best best is looking up the specs for the motherboard (the short answer is "it depends")
[00:40] <pleia2> and typically you want all the ram to be the same speed and size (some motherboards won't even run, or will run poorly, if they aren't identical)
[00:41] <philipballew> hum. alright. Makes sense in practice i guess
[06:18] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, how goes it!
[16:59] <seidos> hola
[17:00] <seidos> has anyone read the "the lifelong activist"?