[12:08] <SpAwN> justjosh, but u should be able to open xmms but clicking a mp3 or starting xmms in cli or from the start menu
[12:08] <justjosh> dammit. couldn't open audio error. please check that soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected no other program is blocking the soundcard
[12:09] <justjosh> just what exactly does THAT mean?
[12:09] <SpAwN> justjosh, could mean a few things
[12:09] <dr_willis> !sound
[12:09] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:09] <SpAwN> open xmms and gotot the options
[12:09] <justjosh> i'm in options. let me try the alsa thing first
[12:10] <SpAwN> justjosh > restricted
[12:10] <SpAwN> SpAwN > restricted
[12:10] <SpAwN> hmm
[12:10] <justjosh> sound tests ok
[12:10] <SpAwN> !restricted
[12:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:10] <SpAwN> justjosh, ^^
[12:11] <justjosh> advanced linux sound architecture == alsa?
[12:12] <aliasfred> justjosh: yes
[12:12] <justjosh> SWEET!!!!
[12:12] <FJ_Sanchez> Hello to everybody
[12:13] <justjosh> dr_willis and spawn, if you were here I'd rub your nipples.
[12:13] <aliasfred> justjosh: i see you are very happy about this :)
[12:13] <SpAwN> justjosh, lol.....im adude
[12:13] <justjosh> just a bit. now the wife'll get yellin at me about switchin from windows
[12:13] <SpAwN> but w/e itll be a party....
[12:13] <SpAwN> lol j/k
[12:13] <justjosh> right now spawn you could be a 7 foot tall transsexual and i'd still rub you.
[12:14] <justjosh> thanks for the help
[12:14] <BluesKaj> wife has her own pc
[12:14] <SpAwN> justjosh, not a prob man
[12:15] <BluesKaj> still have dvd burning issues with tovid which I hope to solve after I finsh this dvd burn in windows
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Kitchener ON !
[12:17] <gan|y|med> ciao
[12:17] <justjosh> can't init alsasink driver? trying another one....no usable audio driver found?
[12:17] <dako> can someone halp me with an fstab question?
[12:17] <justjosh> !fstab
[12:17] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[12:17] <gekko`> !ask > dako
[12:18] <justjosh> then konqueror crashes....what a pain.
[12:19] <justjosh> ah, but it works in firefox. go figure
[12:22] <FJ_Sanchez> I cannot get running phpmyadmin
[12:23] <FJ_Sanchez> I can do it only if i try access to <IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin but I want access with localhost/phpmyadmin
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> i am so friggin mystified
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> does anybody here know how the hell the "set word wrap" option for composition in kmail actually works?
[12:25] <shadeofgrey> it supposedly wants a value of columns -- not characters.  can someone please explain to me what this really means?
[12:26] <james14> I have a bluetooth wireless mouse.  I can get it to work with  hidd --connect 00:0D:3A:A2:74:E6.  If I don't use the mouse for 10 minutes, I have to push button and give this command again.  Do you know the settings for automatic pairing?
[12:27] <posthuman> is it possible to 'extract' a deb file into a specific directory?
[12:28] <dr_willis> try 'mc' and see if ya can view the contents . :) i do that all the time with rpms and otehr archives
[12:29] <gekko`> posthuman: why you want to extract a deb file?
[12:33] <r1d31ck> alguem fala portugues a?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> can someone in here please help me with my kmail problem
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> its so simple its ridiculous
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> but i have no idea what the hell is going on
[12:34] <BrigadierFrog> dr_willis: I take that back, its about a 102k files max
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> I wonder why I get a too many files open error then
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> in several applications
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> and sftp
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> box comprimised maybe?
[12:38] <dr_willis> BrigadierFrog,  yes - i was just thinking when ya asked that.. what in the world are ya getting to have so many open.
[12:38] <BrigadierFrog> well, its a torrent file
[12:38] <BrigadierFrog> it only happens for torrents and sftp
[12:38] <dr_willis> hmmmm
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> like, sftp won't let me copy a huge directory with thousands of files
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> and bittorrent complains after about 1023 files
[12:39] <dr_willis> You got torrents with 1023 files?
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> there's one with 2000 files
[12:39] <dr_willis> or 1023 torrents going? :P
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> that I'm trying to get
[12:39] <dr_willis> heh -
[12:39] <dr_willis> I think my  MAME rom torrenst proberly got that many. :P
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> and does it work ok on kubuntu?
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> I think my install is messed up somehow
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> kernel comprimised maybe...
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> this is why I use bsd usually... less issues like this... but whatever
[12:41] <dr_willis> Ive never seen that issue befor.
[12:41] <dr_willis> and ive been using linux for ages. :P
[12:41] <dr_willis> To the Bat Google!
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need help here
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> thisis driving me nuts
[12:42] <dr_willis> ;)
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> why the hell is word wrapping in kmail so retarded?
[12:42] <rr72> dapper is the latest right?
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> yes
[12:42] <dr_willis> never used it.. cant tell ya shadeofgrey
[12:42] <rr72> how do i check my kde version from the command line?
[12:42] <rr72> what is the latest version of kde?
[12:43] <Kr4t05> rr72 3.5.4
[12:43] <rr72> how do i check from cmd line?
[12:43] <rr72> my version of kde
[12:43] <dr_willis> kicker --version perhaps
[12:44] <rr72> i can't -- since - are obsolete
[12:44] <rr72> hawkwind told me not to use - anymore
[12:44] <dr_willis> Heh good luck there -    I know of ooodles of programs that still use -   instead of -
[12:44] <dr_willis> and 0 is not obsolete.
[12:44] <dr_willis> oops;..
[12:44] <dr_willis>  :P
[12:44] <rr73> peace out oging for dinner
[12:45] <Hawkwind> rr73: Would you knock off the crap please
[12:45] <Hawkwind> rr73: I specifically told you that the - in tar commands was obsolete.  You trolling has gone too far IMO
[12:46] <PsySine> what package should I install to get mp3-support in amarok?
[12:47] <Kr4t05> PsySine: libxine-extra codecs
[12:47] <Kr4t05> PsySine: libxine-extracodecs**
[12:47] <PsySine> Kr4t05: thanks
[12:47] <djk_> does badblocks search for badblocks in the filesystem or on the hdd?
[12:49] <cwraig> !guide
[12:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about guide - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:51] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !alarm clock
[12:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about alarm clock - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:52] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> anyone around?
[12:52] <Hawkwind> 267 others besides yourself
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: Do you use mame or advancemame ?
[12:54] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  both :P
[12:54] <dr_willis> advancemame is nicer in some ways - but the dev for it needs to quit being so 'differnt' in some ways
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> The versions of mame are ancient in dapper / edgy / sid though
[12:55] <dr_willis> ie:  he uses 'rom' instead of 'roms' for the default rom dir and so on for several things.. Makes it a pain to have both xmame/mame32/advancemame on the usbhd.
[12:55] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  yep  thats an annoyance with dapper.
[12:55] <dr_willis> and ubuntu in general
[12:55] <dr_willis> look at some of the other emulators.. way old
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Yes - any recent version of zsnes (either svn or WIP build) performs alot better (in high res) - thing about mame for me is the compile process is so complicated I never seem to get it performing well
[12:58] <warlocky> warlock -_-
[12:58] <Raven301> When you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... I there a setting you can do to stop a program from being updated??
[12:59] <Raven301> s/I/Is
[01:03] <JuanG> I want to Help
[01:04] <Hawkwind> Raven301: Look in the man pages for apt for holding an app
[01:04] <Raven301> ok h3sp4wn
[01:04] <Hawkwind> Raven301: Tab completion :P
[01:04] <Raven301> ok Hawkwind
[01:04] <Raven301> sorry h3sp4wn
[01:04] <Raven301> :)
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> Its dpkg you use to hold an app (or aptitude)
[01:05] <Hawkwind> Ah right.  I thought man apt didn't sound right
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> echo whatever hold | dpkg --set-selections
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> You can also use /etc/apt/preferences to pin but its more complicated or aptitude hold whatever (but the aptitude way sometimes seems to not work as it should)
[01:09] <rr73> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe                         should that be commented out?
[01:13] <rr73> why is it holding back 78 packs when in upgrading to new KDE?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> use dist-upgrade not upgrade
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> make sure dapper-updates is enabled
[01:13] <rr73> it is
[01:14] <rr73> someone should change the how to on-line so people don't screw their systems
[01:14] <rr73> like me
[01:14] <rr73> too late now i already did a apt-get upgrade
[01:14] <rr73> hope i don't fuck my system up too badly
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> always dist-upgrade
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> if you do that after it will be fine
[01:15] <rr73> i can't do dist-upgrade cause Hawkwind to never use - anymore
[01:15] <rr73> so there is no need for apt-get upgrade anymore?
[01:16] <rr73> do i del the kde repo no from my sources? and do i comment out dapper update?
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: Cut the crap, seriously
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: I've told you what I meant and you've taken too damn far
[01:16] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ do i delete kde from the repos now?
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: If you can't realize that I told you that - are not needed when you do tar -zjvf commands, then that's YOUR fault
[01:17] <rr73> and do i comment out dapper-updates?
[01:17] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Ping
[01:17] <crimsun> rr73: please do not attack your fellow irc users.
[01:17] <rr73> crimsun~ i am not attacking anyone
[01:18] <rr73> i have not touched anyones computer
[01:18] <Hawkwind> rr73: You're telling everyone I told you *not* to use - in any command.    You guys think I can make the bottom panel look convincingly like the Windows XP start bar that I could get away with it untill she figured out that she liked it more than her old operating system? (of course i'll back up the old hard drive, and on top of that leave the windows partition, but just make kubuntu be default)
[01:34] <farous> Raven301: there you go http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[01:35] <crimsun> rr73: obviously you can't be forced to read man pages, but apt-get(8) has the most succinct explanation of the difference.
[01:35] <unstablesob_> Ademan: don't lie to your mother, thats evil
[01:35] <Raven301> thank a lot farous ... I'll give it a read :)
[01:35] <rr73> succinct?
[01:35] <rr73> oh it is a word
[01:36] <farous> Raven301: ur welcomed :)
[01:36] <Ademan> unstablesob_: I won't say anything :-)  and really i'm half kidding, I am really considering adding a kubuntu partition to that computer though, the Windows XP partition is as good as dead
[01:36] <rr73> Girded or tucked up
[01:36] <djk_> Ademan: http://www.xpde.com/
[01:37] <Ademan> I just walked into the kitchen and watched in horror as the poor thing struggled with the "flying through space" screensaver...
[01:37] <Raven301> :)
[01:37] <unstablesob> Ademan: just make the task bar "small", get rid of the app launchers, set it to only have 1 desktop, and remove the pager .... should be decent enough for a windows user
[01:38] <rr73> unstablesob~ but transpereant wouldnt work ;) mine wouldnt get awayy
[01:38] <scast> Where can I find a "decent" source.list ?
[01:39] <rr73> get a copy of the start button to ;) and background she has ;)
[01:39] <farous> !easysource
[01:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:39] <farous> scast: ^ ^
[01:39] <Hawkwind> scast: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0  <~~Here's mine posted on my forums
[01:39] <Ademan> i'm thinking i will, i just wish there was decent ntfs support on linux (i know its getting better) that way i could keep the old partition and maybe clean it out or something
[01:39] <scast> Aight... thanks
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> i say again im in desperate need of help with kmail
[01:42] <Ademan> use eclipse
[01:42] <Ademan> sorry
[01:42] <Ademan> evolution
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> theres got to be a way to fix the word wrap problems
[01:42] <Ademan> :-p
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> i find it very hard to nbelieve that the developpers would intentionally render the software basically unusable because the word wrap functions dont do dick
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> ifg thats indeed the case tehn somebody needs to learn how to code a tad bit better
[01:44] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[01:45] <ubuntu> cant anyone tell me if orinoco drivers are working with 6.06lts kubuntu, are they included somewhere, ,or do I have to try to mke something from scratch
[01:47] <Martijn81> hi ubuntu, sorry to ask but what is "orinoco", wireless card?
[01:47] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: If it's a Orinoco B card, it should be supported natively.  I know mine in my laptop is
[01:48] <scast> Can I mix, for example, Seveas' repo with Cipherfunk repo? (They both have w32codes)... I spect that apt will pick the most up-to-date w32codecs version, or they may conflict?
[01:48] <Hawkwind> scast: Yes.  It shouldn't hurt anything
[01:48] <ubuntu> Ive been trying to get the usb wireless device on my compaq N410C to work,, so far suse 10 detect it naturally but I stll cant connect anywhere,, was wondering if new brew of kubuntu would work
[01:48] <Hawkwind> scast: If you're looking at my sources.list I gave you the link to, refresh the page as I updated it just now
[01:49] <Raven301> farous: Thanks again editing /etc/apt/preferences worked great :)
[01:49] <farous> Raven301: you are welcomed my friend :)
[01:49] <Raven301> :)
[01:49] <ubuntu> so far in with live cd kubuntu,, 6.06 Ive tried lspci -v,, and its not detected
[01:50] <scast> Hawkwind: and I thought mine was a little too long.
[01:51] <ubuntu> and in lsusb -v not detected either
[01:51] <farous> would the broadcom wireless card have better support on edgy? is upgrading to newer kernel worth the hastle to use the opensource driver or should i just stick to the ndiswrapper
[01:52] <Dark_Oppressor> im trying to 'apt-get install scons', but i keep getting errors, and then i have to 'apt-get remove scons' just to get apt-get to work right again
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: is it in lshw (if its pcmcia I wouldn't expect it to be in lspci or lsusb)
[01:52] <Dark_Oppressor> is there something i dont know that might get scons to install right?
[01:52] <Montoya> Hola
[01:52] <Montoya> Nesecito una ayuda
[01:53] <Montoya> Como monto un servidor web en Ubuntu
[01:53] <kosh> no idea what you said
[01:53] <Dark_Oppressor> lol
[01:53] <kosh> I pretty much only speak english and some programming languages
[01:53] <Montoya> que tengo que instalar para que sirva con PHP y MySQL
[01:54] <ubuntu> ah ha! found it
[01:54] <ubuntu> iProduct                1 Compaq WLAN MultiPort W200
[01:54] <ubuntu>   iSerial                 2 PG33JL9AAL03
[01:54] <scast> Ign ftp://cipherfunk.org dapper/main Sources what does that mean?
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: its a device attached to the lid ,, and ride on usbport,,
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: found it in lsusb under sudo
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: but cant see it with wireless lan manager :(
[01:57] <word> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade type thing from 32 bit kubuntu to 64 bit? or uh what packages are diff?
[01:57] <djk_> Riddell: how old are you?
[01:58] <kosh> less then the age of the universe but not by much ;)
[01:59] <Raven301> farous: I use this for my wireless http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[01:59] <farous> Raven301: thanx will check it out
[01:59] <Raven301> np
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: You need linux-wlan-ng and probably to install linux-restricted-modules (which may have the firmware in it) but I would say I am only 50% that it will work you may have to extract the firmware from the card yourself
[02:01] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: and if I do lshw,, its under usb0 *usb unclaimed
[02:01] <farous> Raven301: tried that but my window driver did not work. did you use the window driver or the one posted on the thread
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Are you currently on the livecd ? -
[02:02] <Raven301> farous: These are the ones I use  bcmwl5.inf  bcmwl5.sys  wl_apsta.o
[02:02] <plugs> is it possible to play Windows Media formats?
[02:02] <ubuntu> if few words I have to install first, to do update and installing modules
[02:02] <ubuntu> yes on livecd
[02:02] <farous> Raven301: cool i did not get the wl_apsta one will try it now thanx alot
[02:02] <Raven301> np
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-286
[02:03] <Kr4t05> !tell plugs about restrictedcodecs
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictedcodecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[02:03] <Kr4t05> !tell plugs about restricted codecs
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about restricted codecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <Kr4t05> GAR!
[02:03] <plugs> !tell plugs about restricted
[02:05] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: will try taht,, one moment
[02:05] <aurelio> hola
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Then try modprobe prism2_usb (then see whether it is detected)
[02:07] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: I get message restricted modules already newest
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: what happens if you do 'modprobe prism2_usb'
[02:08] <Snake[ONAIR] > Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: does it complain about missing firmware ?
[02:08] <flaccid> command to test apache vhost config?
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> telnet vhostdomain.com 80
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> get /
[02:09] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: so far after modprobe it just return me to prompt
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: /sbin/ifconfig -a (see if wlan0 is mentioned)
[02:12] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: eth0, l0, and sit0
[02:13] <flaccid> !apache
[02:13] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: I think you have 2 choices - install it and try to get it working afterwards - or try to find a distro which supports it out of the box (I don't think it can be done from the livecd)
[02:15] <kosh> and then people get to find out later why mysql is not a relational database ;)
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> !wireless
[02:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:15] <miyako> Does kubuntu come with support for ReiserFS?
[02:16] <ubuntu> will install in a few min.. will be back after,, thx h3sp4wn
[02:16] <kosh> v3 I can't imagine it not supported v4 I think is very unlikely
[02:18] <miyako> my old machine running suse 10.0 shot craps, and I got a  new machine, decided to put Kubuntu on it, wanted to make sure I'd be able to read my old drive formatted as ReiserFS so I can pull my data off of it
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> You can use reiserfs4 (if you want but I wouldn't) the tools / kernel support it
[02:18] <miyako> I think Suse is 3, so if it supports 3 then that's all I need
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> It supports 3 fine
[02:19] <miyako> ok :)  I know some distros don't ship with support for it.
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu ships with support for as much as humanly possible
[02:19] <miyako> so any advice for someone who's never used Ubuntu before, but is experienced with Linux in general?  I've heard it's a really good distro- which is why I decided to try it out.
[02:20] <miyako> just hope I can get Maya to install properly on it, otherwise I'll have to go back to SuSE- which has been irritating me lately.
[02:20] <kosh> h3sp4wn: the ubuntu default kernel supports reiservs4 by default? that surprises me a lot the kernel devs won't let it in because of how intrustive the changes are, that seems like a pretty risky thing to have by default
[02:22] <miyako> hmm, while I'm waiting for my iso to download, perhaps I should call MS tech support and try to get a refund for the copy of XP that came on this new box.
[02:22] <kosh> fat chance
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> kosh: The tools etc are there so I would presume that the kernel supports it
[02:23] <kosh> h3sp4wn: where do you see v4 stuff?
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> kosh: /sbin
[02:24] <kosh> hmm interesting
[02:24] <kosh> either way I know it does not work on my system since I am not using the ubuntu kernels
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> kosh: I still wouldn't use it (I know too many people who have lost data to it (sometimes multiple times))
[02:25] <kosh> I lost data to reiserfs v3 once and I have not touched v4
[02:25] <kosh> if the kernel fs people don't like it then I don't want to touch it
[02:26] <kosh> reiserfs had nasty issues of on a bad shutdown random garbage ended up in the file
[02:26] <kosh> the reiserfs devs kept blaming it on the kernel, dma etc but the poitn is that ext2 ext3 xfs and jfs won't do it no matter how many times you badly shut it down
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> I think as soon as reiser4 has been in the main kernel for 6 months I will use it
[02:27] <kosh> I don't have any intention of using it
[02:27] <kosh> it is not any faster, it consumes more cpu power to run
[02:27] <Snake[ONAIR] > Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)
[02:27] <kosh> and it is vastly more complex
[02:27] <miyako> I usually use the default FS for whatever distro I'm using, for regular desktop usage it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> I use reiser3
[02:28] <kosh> sure they show some benchmarks that are faster with reiserfsv4 but I have seen enough others where it loses abysmally especially once the fs has been running for a while
[02:28] <kosh> reiser3 and reiser4 have nothing in common with each other
[02:28] <kosh> the disk format, code etc are all completely different
[02:28] <kosh> the only commonality is both where done by hans reiser
[02:29] <Dodger> i've got a problem with kded using 100% of one of my CPUs at all times
[02:29] <kosh> Dodger: kill it and restart it
[02:29] <Dodger> kill doesn't work
[02:29] <Dodger> i tried that
[02:29] <Dodger> it won't go away
[02:29] <kosh> kill -9 it
[02:30] <Dodger> ah that did it :)
[02:30] <Dodger> thanks
[02:30] <aaron_> penguin
[02:30] <jeekl> Dodger: kill -9 means "KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!1". Nothing survives that.
[02:30] <aaron_> linux rocks
[02:31] <miyako> geeze, I need to pick a faster mirror for downloading this is. 7 hours is forever.
[02:35] <Dark_Oppressor> im having trouble getting python2.4-zopeinterface to install, can someone take a look at the error im getting and see if they have any ideas?
[02:35] <Shannon1> hi everyone,, I have a question ,, is there a way to make menu transparent,, in breezy
[02:36] <Shannon1> cant seem to find the option anywhere
[02:37] <Jucato> Shannon1: System Settings > Appearance > Style > Effects tab > Menu effect drop-down list > Translucent
[02:38] <nixternal> Hello Everyone! In roughly 25 minutes, 01:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-classroom we will be giving a lesson on IRC. There will be a brief introduction to IRSSI, and a basic lesson on Konversation, Kubuntu's default IRC client. Everyone is welcome to join in. Thank you!
[02:39] <bcron> My kubuntu disk wasn't getting the job done so I installed Xubuntu and after it installed I apt got kubuntu-desktop... Is this any different an install as I would have gotten from the default Kubuntu?
[02:39] <scast> Hawkwind: Oh well. Updating... I didn't use your whole sources.list just because I don't know what's in most of them and I don't feel well using repositories that I don't know... :d
[02:39] <Shannon1> ha ah!  was seeing some transparent setting but was greyd out.. thx Jucato
[02:39] <Jucato> woow... Aaron Seigo was here... @_@
[02:40] <Jucato> Shannon1: no problem
[02:40] <Hawkwind> scast: No worries.  It's just there for users to have a list and to choose what they want from it
[02:42] <scast> Hawkwind: btw, nice site. Reading a lot in there.
[02:43] <miyako> does ubuntu ship with java, or is it available in one of the repositories?
[02:44] <visik7> miyako: is in universe
[02:44] <miyako> ok
[02:44] <miyako> sorry for all the dumb questions
[02:44] <Martijn81> !java > miyako
[02:45] <Martijn81> there's no such thing ;)
[02:45] <Jucato> visik7: java is in multiverse
[02:45] <Jucato> !java
[02:45] <miyako> just trying to get prepared so once the iso is downloaded I can install and have a working system as soon as possible
[02:45] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:45] <visik7> Jucato: yes sorry
[02:46] <Hawkwind> scast: Thanks :)
[02:46] <scast> I am trying to figure out how to install nvidia tho.
[02:46] <Jucato> visik7: no need to apologize :-)
[02:48] <scast> !nvidia
[02:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:48] <scast> ah nice.
[02:57] <Jucato> uniq: thanks for the tip in the forums, but it didn't work. I'm still having media:/ problems... :-(
[02:57] <Johncro13> 'ello, room.
[02:58] <Jucato> room says hi to Johncro13
[02:58] <Jucato> join #adept
[02:58] <Jucato> err...
[02:58] <Jucato> nothing there... @_@
[02:59] <Johncro13> I've got an interesting one.
[03:01] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom for a lesson in IRC
[03:01] <Johncro13> anyone know how to config libc6?
[03:01] <nixternal> Konversation will be my lecture for those interested!!!
[03:05] <Johncro13> la la la
[03:11] <Johncro13> any ideas?
[03:11] <nixternal> hehe Johncro13, hopefully someone will come along and help
[03:11] <nixternal> wish i could, but i would probably make it worse for ya ;)
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's the problem?
[03:13] <Johncro13> real easy.  I need wpa supplicant just to get on the web.
[03:14] <Johncro13> dig?
[03:14] <visik7> Johncro13: what kind of auth method do you use ?
[03:14] <Johncro13> I was just trying to instal the deb package.
[03:14] <visik7> wpa_supplicant is installed by default on dapper
[03:15] <Johncro13> is it really, then?
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo didn't help?
[03:16] <Johncro13> man, I looked all over.
[03:16] <Johncro13> that particular link uses apt-get.
[03:16] <Johncro13> i need to be online to use apt-get.
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, if it's installed already, you probably don't need to apt-get it. ;)
[03:17] <Johncro13> well....yeah.
[03:18] <visik7> wpa-supplicant is installed by default to configure it take care of common wpa_supplicant configs and read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[03:19] <Johncro13> did that.
[03:20] <visik7> so what's the problem ?
[03:20] <Johncro13> oddly still not working.
[03:20] <visik7> run ifup ethX and run wpa_cli
[03:20] <Johncro13> I'll have a look at my config file.  That might be it.
[03:20] <visik7> then run status inside wpa_cli
[03:21] <Johncro13> wpa_cli.  got it.
[03:23] <^martin-23^> hi people, question: when i install kubuntu, y saw a application like Ark that notice me the critical updates of kernel and more aplications, but i closed that app and never saw it, i cant find it, where is? (sorry for my english :P)
[03:24] <abattoir> ^martin-23^: 'adept_updater'
[03:24] <^martin-23^> thanks!
[03:27] <Jucato> ^martin-23^: if there are updates available, you'll see an icon in your system tray, an open box with a "!" that will tell you that updates are available
[03:27] <^martin-23^> thanks
[03:30] <os2mac> anyone wanna take bets I can get Kubuntu running on this http://www.itronix.com/products/notebooks/gobookiii.asp
[03:32] <simon___> Grr... !@#$%^&() nvidia driver.
[03:32] <sophie_> os2mac: is the challenge getting the gps module working also
[03:33] <simon___> I just installed the nvidia driver, did glx-config enable and now I can't start X.
[03:33] <simon___> This is amazing.
[03:33] <simon___> nick scast
[03:34] <sophie_> os2mac: also get the intergrated Radeon working in 3d with open source drivers
[03:35] <scast> Why is it *so* hard to get the freaking nvidia drivers working *g*
[03:35] <os2mac> I think just getting the hardware to work would be a problem.
[03:35] <rr72> scast~ it is hard but i got them working finally
[03:36] <scast> I had a lot of trouble with other distros, but in the only department I didn't have problem with is installing the nvidia drivers -_-
[03:37] <Hawkwind> scast: What's so hard about them ?  You install the packages via apt-get, edit your xorg.conf file on one line, restart X and they work
[03:37] <scast> Maybe the fact that you *can't* restart X anymore.
[03:37] <Hawkwind> Why can't you ?
[03:37] <rr72> did u manually do it or did u get the package?
[03:38] <Kr4t05> scast: ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:38] <Jucato> scast: could you check if the linux-restricted-modules-xxxx that you have matches with the linux-image-xxxx youo are using?
[03:38] <scast> I got the package from the repositories, I am not going to download and manually do something. I just installed kubuntu.
[03:38] <scast> Jucato: Yes, but let me check.
[03:38] <scast> Hawkwind: no idea.
[03:38] <rr72> make sure modile "DLI" or somin like taht is not in ur Xorg config file and that nv has changed to nvidia
[03:39] <rr72> !nvidia > scast
[03:39] <rr72> follow that it works
[03:39] <rr72> thats how i finally did it
[03:39] <Jucato> !nvidia
[03:39] <scast> rr72: I did follow that.
[03:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:39] <rr72> what errors?
[03:39] <rr72> or is it just not working?
[03:40] <Jucato> rr72: the funny thing about that nvidia wiki... there's no Kubuntu-specific version...
[03:40] <scast> Where is the X11 errors log?
[03:40] <rr72> /var/log/xorg
[03:40] <rr72> then tab-complete
[03:40] <scast> Jucato: that's the same thing I said when I saw "Go to the [add here a gnome menu] "
[03:40] <Jucato> at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:40] <rr72> Jucato~ worked for me
[03:40] <Hawkwind> scast: /var/log/Xorg.0.log actually
[03:41] <rr72> but i had to reset my xorg config file
[03:41] <Jucato> scast: so do you have matching linux-image and linux-restricted-modules versions?
[03:41] <rr72> since i thought it was messed ip
[03:41] <Hawkwind> There is no such directory as /var/log/xorg
[03:41] <macd>  /var/log/X11/
[03:41] <Jucato> rr72: which means you had synaptic installed...
[03:41] <Hawkwind> macd: No such directory as that either
[03:41] <rr72> Jucato~ i don't use synaptic
[03:41] <macd>  hmm, exists here
[03:42] <macd> suppose thats due to my own doing though
[03:42] <scast> Jucato: yes.
[03:42] <Hawkwind> macd: Doubtful.  Maybe /etc/X11
[03:42] <scast> Apparently the error is "Fatal error: no screens found"
[03:42] <Hawkwind> macd: Unless you created it yourself for some strange reason
[03:42] <Jucato> rr72: instruction #1 goes: "Select the System menu at the top of the screen."
[03:42] <rr72> get a new xorg config file
[03:42] <rr72> Jucato~ i just looked for the pack names and apt-get them
[03:42] <scast> I think it's something that has to do with the BusID
[03:43] <scast> damn it I wish I know how to copy from a tty lawl
[03:43] <bubu1uk[Away] > what is newest kernel in repositories?
[03:43] <macd> david@mobile2:~$ ls /var/log/X11/
[03:43] <macd> Xorg.0.log
[03:43] <macd> Ive been known to do wierder thigs :P
[03:43] <rr72> scast~ try to sudo dpkg-reconfig -phigh xserver-xog
[03:43] <Jucato> rr72: ah... but the guide is supposed to be for someone using a GUI, right?
[03:43] <rr72> *xorg
[03:43] <rr72> that will reset ur xorg config file
[03:43] <rr72> to defualt
[03:43] <scast> I got it. It was the BusID
[03:44] <scast> I commented it and it worked.
[03:44] <rr72> i was worried about mine too
[03:44] <rr72> just left mine tho, it works
[03:44] <rr72> pci:0:0?
[03:45] <rr72> Jucato~ i presume so
[03:45] <scast> Brb.
[03:46] <scast> hmmm
[03:46] <scast> 1024x768 -_- How do I get 1280x1024 ? rawr
[03:47] <rr72> edit ur xorg config file if u don't see it in the display properties under advanced
[03:47] <Jucato> I thought that the Display control module they added in Dapper would make changes like that easier in GUI...
[03:48] <scast> It's never going to be easy.
[03:49] <scast> brb
[03:49] <Jucato> yeah, switching video drivers, even using the free/open source ones, has never been easy...
[03:58] <simon___> why is switching virtual desktops is so slow?
[04:00] <justjosh> cuz your computer is lazy, of course. slap it and tell it to shape up.
[04:00] <justjosh> !chmod
[04:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about chmod - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:04] <justjosh> dammit. how can i set permissions on the firefox directory (and where the hell is it) to allow me to save profiles. it won't even save bookmarks currently.
[04:06] <rr72> hey soulrider
[04:08] <soulrider> hey hye rr72
[04:08] <soulrider> i think im gonna request some Free kubuntu Cd's :P
[04:08] <rr72> cool
[04:08] <soulrider> i need to convince more people to install it
[04:08] <soulrider> or at least try it
[04:09] <soulrider> so much better than that M$ crap
[04:09] <rr72> i just upgraded to kde 3.4.5 or 5.4 what ever it is
[04:09] <soulrider> :O
[04:09] <soulrider> let me see if i got the latest
[04:09] <Jucato> justjosh: the profiles are supposed to be in ~/.mozilla, which means it should be writeable for you...
[04:10] <justjosh> there's the /etc/mozilla-firefox directory
[04:10] <valkyria> hi everyone
[04:10] <justjosh> and then the /usr/lib/mozilla-fox
[04:10] <Jucato> justjosh: I mean /home/[username] /,mozilla
[04:10] <valkyria> does anybody knows which library I need for playing MP3
[04:10] <Jucato> it's a hidden directory in your user's home folder
[04:11] <Jucato> valkyria: libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository
[04:11] <Jucato> !mp3
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:12] <justjosh> jucato: i've got write permissions to it, but it won't save bookmarks or preference settings.
[04:12] <Jucato> hmm... that's strange then
[04:13] <Jucato> did you install firefox from the Ubuntu repositories, or using another method?
[04:13] <justjosh> automatix
[04:13] <justjosh> should i try a reinstall using repositories?
[04:13] <Jucato> I'm not familiar how automatix installs Firefox...
[04:14] <Jucato> justjosh: if you can remove it using Automatix, then just install the one from the repositories
[04:14] <Jucato> It's very much (almost) up to date
[04:23] <scast> brb
[04:25] <justjosh> ah, got it. my wife had the bookmarks in a profile other than default.
[04:25] <Jucato> oh...
[04:25] <justjosh> run it in konsole w/ -profilemanager switch
[04:26] <justjosh> dump default and make the one she created the only one. now everything works
[04:27] <justjosh> streamtuner is absolutely lovely btw
[04:27] <scast> What else besides Katapult does Kubuntu load in the default session?
[04:28] <Jucato> scast: you could check /usr/share/autostart ?
[04:28] <scast> Let me check that.
[04:29] <Jucato> !mp3 > valkyria
[04:30] <scast> How do I remove the password from root?
[04:30] <scast> (I did sudo passwd)
[04:31] <scast> !root
[04:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't think it lets you leave the root password blank. (even if you have enabled it)
[04:31] <Jucato> !multiverse
[04:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:31] <Jucato> !multiverse > valkyria
[04:32] <scast> brb
[04:33] <scast> _again_
[04:38] <simon___> Hmmm... how do I get them back? rawr... I don't want to load the things I left open when I closed my session but I do want to load the /usr/share/autostart stuff -_-
[04:39] <Jucato> simon___ or simon__: System Settings > KDE Components > Session Manager > Start with an Empty Session
[04:40] <simon___> Yea, but that does not load /usr/share/autostart stuff
[04:40] <simon___> grr
[04:40] <Jucato> scast: which /usr/share/autostart stuff don't load?
[04:41] <scast> Uhmm no
[04:41] <Jucato> you can put your own "startup" programs in /home/[username] /.kde/Autostart
[04:41] <scast> hmm wait a second...
[04:41] <scast> now I think I fucked this lawl.
[04:42] <scast> When I try to open adept or audacity I get a
[04:42] <scast> Su returned with an error
[04:42] <scast> -_-
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> What error?
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try using kdesu <app>
[04:43] <scast> there is not output besides some x error
[04:44] <scast> brb
[04:51] <scast> Well the stuff in /usr/share/autostart does load. But I mean the stuff like katapult used to load everytime I started my session
[04:53] <Jucato> you can just link to Katapult in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:53] <scast> I guess.
[04:56] <Jucato> anyone have any success with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4??
[04:56] <scast> I just wonder why did it stop working :\
[04:57] <Jucato> scast: I'm not sure where sessions save their settings, but my guess would be that Katapult was one of those things not really Autostarted but saved in a session
[04:59] <scast> Yea, I guess it's not the best way to do it.
[05:00] <Jucato> probably. :-D
[05:00] <scast> I guess the developers have their reasons to do it like that. I am no one to say how to do something anyway.
[05:01] <Jucato> but putting Kapatult in /usr/share/autostart would mean that it will be loaded always, no matter what user account is used, because it's a system-wide autostart
[05:01] <scast> Maybe that's why.
[05:02] <scast> but Katapult is really useful.
[05:02] <Jucato> and you really can't put it in the ~/.kde/Autostart by default, because the user account is created only during installation.
[05:02] <Jucato> scast: yeah, one of my fave apps in KDE is Katapult :-D
[05:03] <scast> Yes! We got into one of the darkest misteries in the kubuntu world!
[05:03] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <scast> Jucato: anyway I already added it to my Autostart. I am just waiting 'till synaptic finish updating (~1 hour downloads left).
[05:06] <Jucato> scast: just checking: how did you add it to Autostart?
[05:07] <scast> I open up konqueror, press ctrl+shift+l, in one view I went to applications:/ and in another to the ~/.kde/Autostart. The rest is history (drag'n'drop ftw)...
[05:08] <Jucato> ok. just checking :-D
[05:08] <scast> Splitted views + Konqueror + FTP > any ftp program in the world.
[05:08] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:08] <Jucato> exactly!
[05:09] <kosh> being able to ftp when you just open the file and have it save back is even better and that can be done trasnparently from the file open/save dialog box
[05:09] <scast> kosh: that is great also.
[05:10] <scast> After hating System Settings now I love it. Before it took me like 6 hours to configure kde to work fine. Now ~15min or less.
[05:10] <kosh> 6 hours to configure kde, from a fresh install I can do it in about 15 minutes and my setup is very strange compared to default
[05:11] <Jucato> scast: then I have good news for you. System Settings will have a new look come Edgy
[05:11] <scast> Well I don't know if 6 hours, but more than 3 rawr.
[05:11] <scast> Edgy?
[05:11] <Jucato> Edgy Eft, the next major Ubuntu realse
[05:11] <Jucato> s/realse/release
[05:11] <scast> when is that?
[05:12] <scast> when is going that be released?
[05:12] <scast> 6 months?
[05:12] <Jucato> coming October of this year (supposedly)
[05:12] <Hiryu> has eclipse just decided to break on anyone else?
[05:12] <soulrider> Hiryu: yes
[05:12] <soulrider> i could never really uinstalle clipse fromt he repos
[05:12] <soulrider> only once, adn then it dissappeared
[05:13] <soulrider> i ahd to dl it from the site
[05:13] <soulrider> and palce it on my home folder for it to work
[05:13] <Hiryu> the eclipse from apt doesn't work with gjc or sun's jdk, however, if I download it manually and extract it and run it from my $HOME, it's fine
[05:13] <Hiryu> haha
[05:13] <Hiryu> yeh
[05:13] <Hiryu> precisely
[05:13] <Hiryu> that's far better than nothing
[05:13] <soulrider> well
[05:13] <soulrider> i insatlled it ocne with the repos
[05:13] <soulrider> and it worked!
[05:13] <soulrider> but it just dissappeared
[05:13] <Hiryu> but the eclipse I had from apt was working like 2 days ago (that was the last time I used it anyway)
[05:13] <soulrider> yea
[05:14] <soulrider> besides, wclipse in linux works so much better than in windows
[05:14] <Hiryu> soulrider: I dunno about that, seems the same. Although it's faster in Windows because SWT sucks in anything but windows
[05:14] <Hiryu> people say how great SWT is and how fast it is... it's only fast in windows
[05:15] <soulrider> well, ive felt it was much faster here
[05:15] <miyako> hi, I'm having a bit of trouble installing Kubuntu.  When I try to edit the partition table, I create the root partition, then I try to create another partition but the installer goes strait into trying to finalize the partition table.
[05:15] <soulrider> at least loading times
[05:15] <soulrider> mind you, i still dont know how to make non console apps :P
[05:17] <Hiryu> ok, gotta go
[05:17] <soulrider> kk
[05:17] <soulrider> see ya
[05:17] <anonymeeee> cups admin isn't letting me add a printer, not accepting my username and password
[05:18] <Jucato> anyone else having problems with media:/ in the new KDE 3.5.4?
[05:18] <miyako> anyone have any ideas?
[05:18] <Dark_Oppressor> how do i tell apt-get to stop downloading for now and give me back shell?
[05:18] <soulrider> Jucato: i kind of have
[05:18] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: Ctrl+C will abruptly stop apt-get.
[05:18] <soulrider> it will show me my linux drive, a FAT 32 partition but it wont show me my NTFS partitions
[05:19] <Jucato> but you can also just open a new session in Konsole if you need to do something else while apt-get is running
[05:19] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato: thanks
[05:20] <Jucato> soulrider: is the NTFS mounted during boot? my problem is that partitions that are unmounted at startup don't appear in media:/
[05:20] <soulrider> not sure
[05:20] <soulrider> im  using that ntfs-3g driver
[05:20] <soulrider> i think thetre not mounted at boot
[05:21] <scast> I am reading about Edgy... hmmm, so kubuntu users are getting Compiz as the default windeco?
[05:21] <soulrider> link ?
[05:21] <Jucato> scast: I don't think so
[05:21] <abattoir> scast: huh? compiz a windeco?
[05:21] <XVampireX> scast: KDE4 will have a compositor in kwin
[05:21] <scast> as the window manager whatever that is caled.
[05:22] <Jucato> it just means that a more recent beta of Compiz could be downloaded/installed
[05:22] <scast> called.
[05:22] <Jucato> xgl/compiz is already available in Dapper, but an older version
[05:22] <Jucato> Things I'm looking forward to Edgy: better USplash image capablities and new System Settings layout
[05:22] <XVampireX> I don't like version freeze
[05:23] <Jucato> I wish that they could make System Settings customizable or at least have a small customizable version where you can just put your "most used" control modules
[05:23] <scast> ;o
[05:23] <miyako> ok, now the installer just crashed :(
[05:24] <miyako> maybe I should just go back and try suse :(
[05:24] <chotchki_> hey guys i need a newer version of sane than is currently availible (1.0.18 instead of 1.0.17) can anyone tell me how to build it? i have tried to build a deb but i keep running into issues
[05:24] <soulrider> Jucato: link to what you were reading?
[05:24] <abattoir> miyako: where did it exactly crash?
[05:24] <scast> XVampireX: i know there is somework done in making a compositor manager in kwin, but kde 4 is scheduled to december/early 2007
[05:24] <miyako> abattoir: during editing the parition table
[05:24] <Jucato> which one? the USplash or the System Settings changes?
[05:24] <scast> Jucato: both rawr.
[05:24] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:24] <Jucato> wait let me look it up
[05:24] <XVampireX> scast: Yeah, tech preview in october
[05:24] <XVampireX> this year
[05:25] <abattoir> miyako: what is your disk layout?
[05:25] <Jucato> XVampireX: Edgy will be released in october, not tech preview, right?
[05:26] <miyako> abattoir: right now I have an SATA drive that is in 3 partitions, and an ATA drive at /dev/hdac plugged into an IDE Controller/RAID card.
[05:26] <miyako> I was attempting to edit the /dev/sda partition when it crashed.
[05:26] <Jucato> System Settings Usability changes: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[05:26] <Jucato> latest and greatest in Edgy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 (scroll down a bit :-D )
[05:27] <abattoir> miyako: hmmm... partitioning 'always' crashes(in the installer) ?
[05:27] <abattoir> miyako: or is this the first time you are trying?
[05:27] <miyako> abattoir: yes, I've tried it 3 times
[05:27] <miyako> and it's reproducable
[05:27] <soulrider> thanks
[05:28] <Jucato> scast: the System Settings link has photos
[05:28] <miyako> if it would be helpful, I can reproduce the crash and then paste the exact error
[05:28] <soulrider> i wonder if the launch of vista will be a total failure
[05:28] <Jucato> soulrider: aren't you wondering when exactly Vista will really be released? @_@
[05:29] <XVampireX> jucato: Edgy will have not KDE4 no matter, what, too early, heh
[05:29] <soulrider> lol
[05:29] <abattoir> miyako: that might be helpful, could you pastebin all the three files the installer mentions during the crash?
[05:29] <Jucato> XVampireX: oh, were you talking about a tech preview for KDE 4? I was talking about Edgy Eft being released in October
[05:29] <XVampireX> Heh
[05:29] <XVampireX> Yeah, was talking about KDE4
[05:29] <miyako> yes, I'll do that right now
[05:30] <Jucato> sorry bout that XVampireX
[05:30] <XVampireX> np
[05:30] <Jucato> but I'm definitely going to get that tech preview
[05:30] <XVampireX> haha
[05:30] <XVampireX> Nah, I'll just watch previews
[05:30] <abattoir> miyako: /var/log/installer/syslog /var/log/partman(<--not sure, but this is the important one) var
[05:30] <XVampireX> I'll wait for the final release
[05:30] <Jucato> the excitement is making me wet in my pants :-D
[05:30] <XVampireX> Or at least beta
[05:30] <Jucato> I wonder which distro is going to get distribute it first?
[05:31] <XVampireX> Jucato: I'm not excited like that... but it does sound extremely good
[05:31] <XVampireX> Most likely Kubuntu
[05:31] <XVampireX> Due to release cycle
[05:31] <Dark_Oppressor> is there a way to make pressing the middle mouse button function like in windows?(it makes a circle type thing, and then moving the mouse around scrolls)
[05:32] <XVampireX> Though maybe smaller distros too
[05:32] <rus1> Question: When I set up the action in system settings for my laptop to suspend to ram when I close the lid it works great. How can I make it suspend to ram without closing the lid?
[05:32] <Jucato> hmm.. is it allowed to have some "controversial" discussions/debates in her
[05:32] <miyako> abattoir: /var/log/installer/syslog is really long
[05:32] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: yes
[05:32] <miyako> do you really want me to pastebin the whole thing, or just a specific part of it
[05:32] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: in Konqueror or in Firefox?
[05:32] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato, firefox
[05:32] <Jucato> wait let me launch it
[05:32] <abattoir> miyako: hmm... it wouldnt hurt would it? :P The more info the better
[05:32] <Dark_Oppressor> although konquerer would be nice too
[05:32] <abattoir> !pastebin
[05:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:33] <XVampireX> Jucato: It's allowed, sometimes... when there's no tech support but you can bet on #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic though there are more people in ubuntu-offtopic
[05:33] <Jucato> Edit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"
[05:33] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: Edit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"
[05:34] <Jucato> XVampireX: I mean,a controversial discussion related to Kubuntu
[05:34] <miyako> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19911 there is the first one (/etc/syslog/installer/syslog I think)
[05:34] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: that behavior is default in Konqueror
[05:34] <XVampireX> Jucato: same thing
[05:34] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato: thanks, awesome
[05:35] <Jucato> oh...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah yeah.  your opinion is that we should use the kde defaults?
[05:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: huh?
[05:35] <miyako> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19912 there is the second one (/var/log/syslog)
[05:35] <abattoir> miyako: are you trying to partition/resize an ntfs drive?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sorry, what was the contraversial discussion related to kubuntu?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'd assumed that related to your next comment
[05:36] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: we might get snapshots for testing of kde 4, maybe.  we'll see.
[05:36] <Jucato> nevermind... don't want to get into trouble, since I'm new here. ^_^
[05:36] <abattoir> Hobbsee: nope, that was his answer to another question :)
[05:36] <miyako> abattoir: yes, can I not do that?
[05:36] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: You're one of the Kubuntu developers? :P
[05:36] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yes
[05:36] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ah right.
[05:36] <XVampireX> heh
[05:36] <XVampireX> Neat
[05:36] <Jucato> wow cool
[05:36] <abattoir> miyako: no, afaik, ntfs write, and hence, its partitioning is not supported
[05:36] <Hobbsee> abattoir: you're going to be at thursday's meeting, and know of the change in date?
[05:37] <abattoir> Hobbsee: (your) Thursday?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: no, yours.  my friday morning
[05:37] <miyako> abattoir: ah, alright.  Well no windows for me I guess, I figgured since I had to pay the windows tax on this machine I might as well keep it around in a small partition just in case.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> The next meeting is planned for Thursday August 10, at 21UTC, in the usual
[05:37] <Hobbsee> channel.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ^
[05:37] <scast> 38min left *eek*
[05:37] <Jucato> I was actually going to ask about the Ubuntu development cycle in relation to KDE releases... but don't want to get in hot water...
[05:37] <abattoir> miyako: you could use one of those demo versions of windows partitioning tools to resize your ntfs partition
[05:38] <abattoir> Hobbsee: cool, i'll be there ;)
[05:38] <Jucato> oh Hobbsee, since you're a Kubuntu dev: is there something wrong with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4?
[05:38] <abattoir> * :)
[05:38] <XVampireX> I love the idea of phonon/solid/plasma
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: quite likely.  there's usually something wrong with that.
[05:38] <miyako> abattoir: honestly, I don't care that much.  Linux has been my only OS for years, I don't need windows, just thought that if it was possible I might try keeping it around just in case.  It probably would have just taken up HD space anyway.
[05:38] <Jucato> Great... KDE 3.5.4 has solved some of my problems, but added this one. :-D
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they talked a couple of times about delaying kubuntu by a few weeks each release.  i dont think they were planning to delay kubuntu for kde4 or something
[05:39] <Hobbsee> it gets to be a bit of a pain if kubuntu releases differently from ubuntu.
[05:39] <abattoir> miyako: aah, then its cool :)
[05:39] <miyako> I'm just comming from the SuSE/RedHat world, so kubuntu is completely new to me.
[05:39] <miyako> SuSE supported resizing NTFS partitions (experimentally) so I thought kubuntu might.
[05:39] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: make sure to get new program versions in edgy >_< For example mplayer pre8 or whatever it was
[05:39] <scast> Hobbsee: are you a kubuntu developer?
[05:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I see. I was wondering about this since I got into a discussion with jsgotangco about why KDE upgrades aren't available in the Ubuntu repos.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what about media:/?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: understand the concept of time based releases, and feature freeze?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> scast: yes.
[05:40] <XVampireX> I hate feature freeze
[05:40] <XVampireX> and version freeze
[05:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: about media:/ - partitions that are not mounted at startup don't show up in media:/
[05:40] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: bleh.  i'm not sure what's happening with that particular one, if you're interested, make sure it happens.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh...useful of it.  does /media/ work instead?
[05:40] <unix_infidel> does anyone here have a logitech cordless mouse and keyboard and gotten it to work in linux?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think that problem relates to lots of kde releases, for some weird and warped reason.
[05:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes. when I mount it manually (after starting up), they can be accessed through /media/, but still don't show in media:/
[05:41] <miyako> abattoir: since I'm going to erase the entire drive, does auto partitioning work sanely, or should I do it manually?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah :(
[05:41] <Hobbsee> is
[05:41] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: I'd need to figure out how to make a package that would most likely work on all computers then
[05:41] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: logitech make a lot of mice and keyboards :P
[05:41] <scast> Hobbsee: I was talking with Jucato about when I changed the session management option to start with a new empty session it won't load  katapult anymore by default. We got to the conclussion that it can't add to /usr/share/autostart or add it in installation time to ~/.kde/Autostart. Are we right?
[05:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh, so this is a Kubuntu-KDE 3.5.4 bug?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: grab the source, upgrade it.
[05:42] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: that the question.
[05:42] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Don't worry, I'll get to it
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not sure.  i've a feeling that it could be.
[05:42] <Jucato> lol. announce that you're a dev and get flooded with questions. sorry about that...
[05:42] <unix_infidel> what i asked was if anyone had gotten their WIRELESS keyboads and mice (RF not BT)
[05:42] <unix_infidel> to work in linux
[05:42] <abattoir> miyako: from what i've heard, its the best of the methods, but I, for one, wouldnt give up my entire hd to one os, and would partition it according to my needs...
[05:42] <unix_infidel> (Kubuntu)
[05:42] <miyako> yeah, it looks like it just uses / for one big partition
[05:43] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: ahhh...you didnt add the wireless bit in there that i could see.  check in !hardware and see if someone's got it listed, or use google, i guess
[05:43] <abattoir> miyako: also avoid xfs... xfs and grub dont like to co-exist
[05:43] <miyako> I want to put /home on a seperate partition from / so that if I install a different distro I don't have to spend years backing up.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: Mine works by default
[05:43] <Hobbsee> scast: yes, you're right.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe, true.  my hostmask kinda does that too.
[05:43] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: RF?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: RF ?
[05:43] <abattoir> miyako: yes, that's wise :)
[05:43] <Jucato> scast: I'm not sure, but Kix also isn't started anymore when you start from an empty session
[05:43] <Hobbsee> miyako: smart move.  i do that.
[05:43] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: radio not bluetooth.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: Oh, yes
[05:43] <unix_infidel> it wirelessly connects to a reciever.
[05:43] <miyako> of course I'm never sure how big to make /
[05:43] <Hawkwind> I don't use bluetooth anything
[05:43] <scast> Hobbsee: Besides katapult, what else the default session loads?
[05:44] <Jucato> miyako: 10GB for / is more than enough IMHO
[05:44] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good evening
[05:44] <Jucato> scast: Katapult and KMix I think
[05:44] <Hobbsee> scast: only the absolute essential services for kde to run?  "empty" really does mean that
[05:44] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hi :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kmix doesnt auto load in an empty session.
[05:44] <unix_infidel> LOL
[05:44] <unix_infidel> abattoir=the slaughterhouse.
[05:44] <scast> rawr
[05:44] <miyako> ok, 20GB /, 2GB /swap, how big should /boot be?  only needs to be like 20 megs or so doesn't it?
[05:45] <abattoir> unix_infidel: :)
[05:45] <Dark_Oppressor> ive installed nvidia-glx and run nvidia-xconfig, but only one of my two monitors is being detected, therefore i cant use twinview, do i need to edit xorg.conf in some way to get my other monitor to be seen?
[05:45] <unix_infidel> that's awesome.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> miyako: i dotn bother with a separate /boot
[05:45] <scast> Hobbsee: not in the empty session. The default session. I mean the session you got the first time you log on after install...
[05:45] <abattoir> miyako: /boot would be a good idea if you want xfs
[05:45] <miyako> ok, so I just need like 20GB /, 2GB /swap and then the rest for /home
[05:45] <unix_infidel> i just remembered that from like 8th grade vocab ;P
[05:45] <miyako> I'm just going to use EXT3
[05:45] <Jucato> miyako: 2GB swap? might be a tad too much. how much RAM do you have?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> miyako: Most people don't use /boot, only old school linux users, like myself :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> scast: ohh...yeah.  right.  cant remember i got the last one of them.
[05:45] <abattoir> miyako: ok, then /boot isnt necesary
[05:45] <miyako> Jucato: I have 2GB of ram
[05:46] <Jucato> miyako: then you wouldn't need that much swap
[05:46] <Hawkwind> miyako: I use /boot on ReiserFS and I only make it like 200MB at the very most
[05:46] <miyako> and /swap should be between 1x and 2x the amount of ram shouldnt it?
[05:46] <scast> Hobbsee: oh well. Fine.
[05:46] <abattoir> unix_infidel: from french class? ;)
[05:46] <Hawkwind> miyako: If you have 2GB of ram, 512MB of swap is more than enough
[05:46] <miyako> yeah, I'm old school, I dunno how to do stuff on these new fangled linux distros lol
[05:46] <Hobbsee> scast: ie, "i dont know" :P
[05:46] <Jucato> miyako: I think that principle only applies if you have lower than 512MB RAM
[05:46] <scast> Hobbsee: hahaha, it's ok :-)
[05:47] <Hawkwind> miyako: I have 2GB of RAM in this box and only have 512MB of /swap and it never gets touched
[05:47] <scast> Hobbsee: katapult and kmix are the only ones you can remember?
[05:47] <Jucato> scast: those are the only one "I" can remember
[05:47] <Jucato> :p
[05:47] <Hobbsee> scast: more that i dont remember any of them :P
[05:47] <scast> ^^
[05:47] <scast> well, whatever, empty session > *
[05:47] <miyako> yeah, but I do a lot of heavy 3D rendering which is a major ram hog
[05:47] <scast> rawr
[05:48] <Jucato> miyako:  then probably 1GB swap would be enough. You could always use a swap file later if you need more
[05:48] <miyako> yeah
[05:48] <Tm_T> well, larger swap partition maybe doesn't do harm either
[05:49] <Jucato> miyako: any reason you would need a 20GB / partition?
[05:49] <scast> do I need to stop kde to update it?
[05:49] <Jucato> Tm_T: except that it's easier to add a swap file later on than to resize partitions :-D
[05:49] <Jucato> scast: nope
[05:49] <miyako> Jucato: not specifically, but I have a lot of space so i might as well I guess
[05:49] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, yeah if you already done partitioning ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> miyako: well, wouldn't you want that space to be in your /home instead? :-D
[05:50] <scast> 40 packages left ^^
[05:50] <Tm_T> yeah, I have that much stuff installed etc
[05:50] <miyako> Jucato: if 20GB is going to make a difference, then I will probably be getting another HD anyway ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> scast: just log out and log back in to make some changes take effect. just some
[05:51] <Jucato> miyako: ehehe good point. I just prefer to go the minimalistic route. :-D
[05:51] <miyako> I'm a maximalist
[05:51] <Jucato> anyway, you could also just "steal" some space from / later on if you need it
[05:51] <Tm_T> mr aseigo :)
[05:51] <Jucato> the magic of symlinks and chmod
[05:51] <miyako> going to put another 2GB of ram in this machine tomorrow ^_^
[05:51] <Jucato> miyako: wow!
[05:52] <Tm_T> miyako: oh boy, I have only one gig ram and that's just not enough :(
[05:52] <Jucato> I wish I had that much RAM...
[05:52] <miyako> I was on a slow ram starved box for long enough
[05:52] <miyako> I'm tired of waiting 30+ hours on renders, while my machine crawls and is useless for anything
[05:52] <scast> I have 384mb. I have eclipse always open with a firefox windows with 15 tabs and I am more than fine!
[05:52] <Jucato> I've been using a box with 128MB RAM for almost 3 years (2002-2004)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I hate when celestia hogs over 3 G mem, filling my swap
[05:53] <Jucato> then 256MB for another 2 years...
[05:53] <miyako> went from a 1.9gz with 512 megs of ram to a dual core 3gz with 2 gigs of ram now, another 2 tomorrow so 4 gigs of ram
[05:53] <Jucato> oh crap...
[05:53] <Jucato> didn't notice the time
[05:53] <Jucato> see you guys later!
[05:53] <scast> I want a Core 2 Duo
[05:53] <Jucato> bye!
[05:53] <scast> Jucato: cya
[05:53] <miyako> bye Jucato
[05:53] <Tm_T> miyako: sounds good base for heavy rendering etc
[05:53] <scast> take care.
[05:54] <miyako> yeah, now if I could only find a way to make money rendering instead of it just being a money sink lol
[05:54] <Tm_T> haha
[05:54] <Tm_T> miyako: for fun use of that powerhouse, play around with celestia and large textures ;)
[05:55] <Tm_T> you might find a way to make that swap :p
[05:55] <miyako> I'm going to try to see how fast I can run: while(true) fork();
[05:55] <miyako> lol
[05:55] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:55] <scast> make your bets. I made a sources.list with the source-o-matic website. I added *all* the repositories...   I did read that wrong :P
[05:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:58] <Tm_T> miyako: make it really fast
[05:58] <miyako> Running from the LiveCD with nothing open except the installer, a terminal, and Konversation, nothing should be using my hard drive, right?
[05:58] <aseigo> Tm_T: not tha ti know of =)
[05:58] <scast> I like to open 30 tabs in firefox, that kills my system/cpu whatever.
[05:58] <abattoir> miyako: the installer(obv.) :P
[05:58] <miyako> well, other than that
[05:58] <Tm_T> aseigo: ok, just a bit interested about situation, I hope there will be some light solution (nothing like "use amarok")
[05:58] <abattoir> miyako: it shouldnt no... unmount it if you want
[05:58] <scast> miyako: just make sure you didnt mount any hard drive partition
[05:58] <scast> rawr
[05:58] <miyako> in other words, I can say yes to the stern warning about making sure that all partitions are umounted
[05:59] <miyako> so am i going to have to say goodbye while the installer runs?
[05:59] <abattoir> miyako: hmm, you are in the same session as the one where the crash ocurred?
[05:59] <miyako> abattoir: yes
[05:59] <abattoir> miyako: anyways, you have no data to lose... so no problem
[06:00] <abattoir> miyako: could you do me a favour? :P
[06:00] <Hawkwind> And even if you did................Just kidding :P
[06:00] <abattoir> hehe
[06:00] <miyako> abattoir: what?
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: when the partitioner gives you that warning message, could you take a prntscreen and pastebin it?
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: if its not too much of a trouble?
[06:01] <miyako> which warning message?
[06:01] <scast> 20 packages left
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: about data being lost... the grammatically incorrect one
[06:01] <scast> *eek*
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: nvm, you carry on...
[06:01] <miyako> ah, sorry, I already made sure everything was umounted, then clicked ok and wrote the partition table
[06:02] <abattoir> miyako: no problem, i just thought of something else... thanks anyways :)
[06:02] <miyako> I dunno why a 20gb / partition seems small...it just does
[06:02] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Heh.  What are you going to do with the screenshot ?
[06:03] <miyako> ah well
[06:03] <Hawkwind> miyako: I only have 26GB for my / at the moment.  And I have 650GB+ of hdd space in this box
[06:03] <scast> miyako: it is small.
[06:04] <abattoir> Hawkwind: there are some mistakes in the partitioning warning dialog... but i just realised it was from qt parted, and i could easily get those by installing qt parted... but to answer your question, to show the devs the msg, so it could be patched, if possible.
[06:04] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Ahhh, gotcha
[06:04] <rus1> Question: When I set up the behavior in system settings to suspend to RAM when I close my laptop lid, it works great. How can I tell it to suspend to RAM without closing the lid?
[06:04] <miyako> scast: It seems so, but I can't imagine how I would have 20GB worth of software installed, since everything else is going to live in /home
[06:04] <miyako> and most stuff I install I install to ~/bin anyway
[06:05] <scast> why not a huge / ?
[06:05] <miyako> scast: because with / and /home being seperate partitions, I can upgrade or change distros without ever having to worry about backing up and restoring my personal files
[06:06] <scast> uhmm you are right.
[06:06] <Hawkwind> miyako: Hopefully :)
[06:06] <miyako> well, that's why I backup anyway
[06:06] <miyako> hopefully I won't have to USE the backups
[06:07] <miyako> are nvidias binary drivers in any sort of repository, or do I need to get them off the nvidia website?
[06:08] <scast> miyako: around 18k
[06:10] <Hawkwind> miyako: You can apt-get install them from the repos
[06:10] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > miyako
[06:10] <unix_infidel> http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html
[06:10] <unix_infidel> aye caramba!
[06:11] <Hawkwind> Old news :P
[06:13] <babag> just installed kubuntu 6.0.6 and tried right off to play an xvid avi.
[06:13] <babag> no picture in kaffeine.
[06:13] <babag> do i need to install something no directly included for xvid playback?
[06:15] <rus1> babag: I know this isn't quite what you're going for, but I would try VLC
[06:16] <babag> rus1: i bet that's something i have to install.
[06:16] <rus1> Yes.
[06:16] <babag> from the cd?
[06:16] <unix_infidel> babag: or you can just install the xvid codecs.
[06:16] <unix_infidel> like you would from windows.
[06:16] <babag> new to this from mandriva.
[06:16] <rus1> that's a better solution, but I can't tell you how to do that.
[06:16] <babag> different packages?
[06:17] <unix_infidel> babag: google xvid and ubuntu
[06:17] <babag> trying that
[06:17] <miyako> ok, installation is complete, I'll be back after a reboot into the installed system.
[06:21] <Hawkwind> babag: Welcome!  Nice to see you making the change too :)
[06:21] <soulrider> !mds
[06:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about mds - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:22] <soulrider> !alcohol
[06:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about alcohol - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:24] <babag> hey hawkwind!
[06:24] <babag> trying things out for the first time.
[06:25] <Hawkwind> babag: Good good.  I made the switch about 1 1/2 months ago now.  I won't go back to Mandriva.  Kubuntu is too darn nice :)
[06:26] <Hawkwind> babag: And you know me, I used Mandriva for 4 1/2+ years and was very dedicated to it
[06:27] <babag> Hawkwind: very dedicated. helped me out plenty.
[06:28] <babag> i just installed kubuntu. figured i was used to kde and hardly a power user.
[06:28] <Hawkwind> babag: Not sure if you ever used my SoS repo for Mandriva, but I'm now setting up a Ubuntu SoS repo :)
[06:28] <babag> yay
[06:29] <babag> SoS was great for mandriva
[06:29] <babag> still using it on office box
[06:29] <babag> *boxes
[06:29] <Hawkwind> babag: I currently have an E17 SoS repo for Kubuntu :)
[06:29] <babag> E17?
[06:30] <Jucato> Enlightenment 17...
[06:30] <Hawkwind> Enlightenment-DR17
[06:30] <babag> ahh
[06:30] <Hawkwind> The only window manager I use :P
[06:30] <Jucato> I love E17's Elpanel (is that the correct name?)
[06:30] <babag> never could get enlightenment to function with the hardware on my mandriva
[06:31] <miyako> hmm, does the default install not install or configure a boot loader?
[06:31] <babag> kubuntu box is not networked. standalone.
[06:31] <Jucato> miyako: are you using the Desktop CD?
[06:31] <miyako> Jucato: yes
[06:31] <abattoir> miyako: it should've installed grub
[06:31] <Jucato> miyako: it installs the bootloader
[06:31] <miyako> well, it said installation was complete
[06:31] <babag> xvid setup i'm seeing is for downloading and installing via network.
[06:31] <miyako> I rebooted
[06:31] <miyako> and nothing
[06:32] <Jucato> hmm...
[06:32] <miyako> then i tried to use boot from CD from the LiveCD
[06:32] <miyako> also nothing
[06:32] <Jucato> it's supposed to install it automatically
[06:32] <abattoir> miyako: installed to mbr(not sure if it gives you that option)
[06:32] <abattoir> ??
[06:32] <miyako> it didn't come up with any options for that
[06:32] <Jucato> no, it won't give any options
[06:32] <miyako> it never asked me anything related to booting
[06:32] <Jucato> it directly installs GRUB to MBR
[06:32] <miyako> that's why I wasn't sure it if even installed one
[06:32] <Jucato> miyako: what do you see on your screen when you reboot?
[06:33] <miyako> well, the bios does it's thing
[06:33] <miyako> then I get a black screen
[06:33] <miyako> with a blinking _ in th upper left corner
[06:33] <Jucato> hmm....
[06:33] <Jucato> maybe GRUB wasn't installed properly? do you only have 1 hard disk?
[06:33] <miyako> maybe I should try reinstalling and using the default partition setup?
[06:34] <babag> is there a way i can download a package and burn it to cd for installation on the standalone box?
[06:34] <miyako> I have an SATA hard drive, and then an IDE hard drive connected to an IDE controller/RAID card
[06:34] <Jucato> ooh... aseigo is here...
[06:34] <aseigo> Jucato: somewhat =)
[06:35] <Jucato> s/admiratin/admiration
[06:35] <Jucato> lol
[06:35] <abattoir> babag: yes, its possible, look at 'apt-cdrom' , 'man apt-cdrom' should give you more info
[06:35] <Jucato> miyako: on which drive did you install Kubuntu? and are you using RAID?
[06:35] <miyako> I'm not using RAID, and I installed it on /dev/sda
[06:36] <Jucato> and /dev/sda is the primary master?
[06:36] <miyako> yes
[06:36] <babag> thanks. have to go to the other box for that. bbl
[06:37] <_1Bh> Getting error in Kontact newreader: 'Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths.'
[06:37] <Jucato> hmm...
[06:37] <Robosos> is it normaly that a installation from a software with adept take long time?
[06:38] <hads> Hey all, I just upgraded to 3.5.4 (Kubuntu packages) and I have one minor issue: I have dual screens, new windows used to open on the screen where I had the cursor, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore. Can anyone tell me if this is a configration problem or a bug? Or just confirm the issue?
[06:38] <Jucato> Robosos: what are you trying to install?
[06:38] <Robosos> pppstatus
[06:39] <Jucato> I don't think it should be taking that long.
[06:39] <Jucato> what's Adept saying? (it's supposed to be displaying something like a terminal within the Adept window)
[06:39] <Robosos> nothing
[06:40] <Jucato> strange...
[06:40] <Robosos> no terminal window or so
[06:40] <Jucato> wb abattoir
[06:40] <abattoir> thanks, Jucato :)
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos, it's not really a terminal window, but more like lines of text showing you that it's unpacking, installing, or setting up
[06:41] <Robosos> only: status: not installed, Action:install
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: err... click on Preview Changes
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: make sure nothing is going to be removed
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: then click on Apply Changes
[06:42] <Jucato> abattoir: any experience in installing Kubuntu on SATA (no RAID)? miyako seems to have some problems with GRUB
[06:42] <Robosos> all right...
[06:43] <Robosos> thx
[06:43] <Jucato> Robosos: sure. no problem
[06:43] <abattoir> Jucato, miyako: hmm no, i've heard cases of it both working and not working...
[06:44] <miyako> I'm trying to reinstall with the default partition setup to see if that might help
[06:44] <Jucato> does anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?
[06:44] <Jucato> miyako: er... you're reinstalling now?
[06:44] <miyako> Jucato: yeah
[06:44] <miyako> why, should I have waited?
[06:44] <abattoir> miyako: but tbh, the live cd installer has not yet evolved into something advanced... for RAID/LVM, you'd definitely be better off using the text-installer, for now
[06:44] <Jucato> miyako: oh ok. we could have tried reinstalling grub. but I  can't find the link for it anyway
[06:45] <Jucato> abattoir: miyako's not using RAID, but is using SATA
[06:45] <abattoir> Jucato: i thought he said RAID
[06:45] <abattoir> must be my mistake, then.
[06:45] <Jucato> abattoir: I said "SATA (no RAID)"
[06:45] <Jucato> :-D
[06:46] <miyako> I have an IDE controller that does RAID, but I don't actually have a RAID and I'm trying to install and boot to a plain SATA drive plugged into the motherboard
[06:46] <abattoir> Jucato: ok, my mistake then... anyways 'man grub-install' might give you more info..
[06:47] <Jucato> ok. the reason why I was asking is because the Desktop CD installer doesn't do RAID. you need the alternate install CD for that
[06:47] <abattoir> or rather, miyako
[06:47] <miyako> well, if this doesn't work I'll try the alternate installer
[06:47] <abattoir> miyako: hmm, you'd need to download the alternate-cd for that
[06:48] <miyako> yeah
[06:48] <miyako> hmm
[06:48] <Robosos> i have allready installed the nvidia-glx pack for my geforce 2 gts.
[06:48] <Jucato> and the ALternate CD is text based :-D
[06:48] <Robosos> after the comand
[06:48] <Robosos> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:48] <abattoir> miyako: that'd give you more control over the boot loader too... and is more interactive...
[06:49] <miyako> I was having trouble earlier getting my iBook to properly burn an ISO, ended up booting into Windows to burn this ISO, but now I don't have windows installed anymore.
[06:49] <Robosos> the opengl seems not to work...
[06:49] <Jucato> Robosos: you need to restart the X server to apply the changes
[06:49] <miyako> wish I knew where my Suse 10 cds were, I could try that
[06:49] <Jucato> Robosos: but before you do that, might I ask
[06:49] <tulga> I installed slapd.  but I want install with crypt. howto update?
[06:49] <Robosos> i have do it, but i don't work
[06:49] <Robosos> *it
[06:50] <Jucato> Robosos: did you install the correct linux-restricted-modules for your kernel version?
[06:50] <Robosos> i belief not...
[06:50] <Robosos> how can i do this?
[06:51] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: how a bout a deb :P
[06:51] <unix_infidel> lol
[06:51] <Jucato> Robosos: open up Adept and look for the packages starting with "linux-restricted-modules"
[06:51] <Jucato> take note of the version, then compare it to the package "linux-image-xxxxx"
[06:52] <miyako> ok, going to try another reboot
[06:52] <Jucato> so if you have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx (386, 486, etc), then you should also have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx
[06:52] <Robosos> how can i get the kernel version?
[06:52] <Jucato> Robosos: in Konsole type: uname -r
[06:56] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: It builds the debs for you
[06:57] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: SoS does have an E17 repo, plus a contrib repo that currently contains the latest xchat
[07:03] <Robosos> opengl don't work :(
[07:04] <miyako> ok, still no dice
[07:04] <miyako> but I've been playing around with it a bit
[07:05] <miyako>  /dev/sda doesn't exist in the installed partition
[07:05] <Robosos> i have install the linux-restricted-modules
[07:06] <Robosos> and the have i execute the comand
[07:06] <Robosos> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:06] <Robosos> but after a restart it don't work
[07:07] <Jucato> Robosos: how about the command "nvidia-xconfig"?? how are you testing OpenGL?
[07:08] <Jucato> miyako: sorry I couldn't help. Not much of a SATA user.
[07:08] <Jucato> miyako: have you tried searching the Ubuntuforums?
[07:08] <Robosos> i test opengl with the opengl-screensaver
[07:09] <Jucato> hmm... how about testing it with this command: glxgears
[07:09] <Robosos> command not found...
[07:09] <Jucato> which command was not found?
[07:10] <Robosos> nvidia-xconfig
[07:10] <Jucato> oh.
[07:11] <miyako> ok, I found a work around, which says that /boot should be made a seperate partition as the first partitino on the hard disk
[07:11] <miyako> how big should /boot be?
[07:11] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:12] <Jucato> miyako: AFAIK, definitely less than 1GB...
[07:12] <XVampireX> kopete themes = ftw
[07:12] <Tm_T> XVampireX: 0.12 series? ;)
[07:12] <XVampireX> yeah
[07:12] <Tm_T> yeah, can't hate it
[07:12] <Jucato> um... what does FTW mean?
[07:12] <XVampireX> for the win
[07:12] <Jucato> ooh
[07:12] <Jucato> ok.. thought it was some @#@$* word
[07:12] <Jucato> :-D
[07:13] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what's your favourite from defaults?
[07:13] <XVampireX> Clear
[07:13] <Tm_T> Jucato: shush!
[07:13] <Tm_T> XVampireX: ...you're sure you don't mean hacker? ;)
[07:13] <XVampireX> I'm sure
[07:13] <Tm_T> damn you
[07:13] <Robosos> what can i do yet to install the dispay driver corect?
[07:13] <XVampireX> right now using glossyk
[07:14] <XVampireX> Are these themes using something like XML?
[07:14] <Tm_T> XVampireX: xhtml+css (and javascript if you allow it)
[07:14] <XVampireX> Oh, hehe
[07:14] <Tm_T> but js is totally different story ;)
[07:15] <XVampireX> I wish kopete would have jingle plugin
[07:15] <Tm_T> XVampireX: it does
[07:15] <XVampireX> The one I installed from kubuntu repositories (kde3.5.4) doesn't have jingle
[07:16] <Tm_T> well, because kubuntu have too new ortp
[07:16] <XVampireX> ah, hehe
[07:16] <Tm_T> so, you have to compile libortp 0.71(?) yourself and then compile kopete
[07:16] <XVampireX> yup, hehe
[07:17] <XVampireX> I'd just somehow get Psi jingle sometime
[07:17] <Tm_T> with --enable-jingle
[07:17] <Robosos> how can i check where was anything going wrong by the installation of the nvidia-driver?
[07:17] <Tm_T> XVampireX: just compile kopete from svn ;)
[07:17] <XVampireX> They need a roadmap
[07:18] <Tm_T> Robosos: hmm, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log has any error lines?
[07:18] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what you mean?
[07:18] <XVampireX> Tm_T: They don't have roadmaps... can't drool over new features :(
[07:18] <XVampireX> I wonder what KDE4 kopete would bring
[07:18] <Tm_T> XVampireX: ah, sorry, we can't tell what we have in KDE4 yet ;)
[07:19] <Jucato> does anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?
[07:19] <XVampireX> Wait
[07:19] <Tm_T> XVampireX: s/have/will have/ ;-P
[07:19] <XVampireX> Tm_T: let me guess, you're the Kopete developer?
[07:19] <XVampireX> or KDE?
[07:19] <Tm_T> XVampireX: well, I have done something yes
[07:19] <Tm_T> and trying to :p
[07:20] <XVampireX> :D
[07:20] <Tm_T> XVampireX: in kopete there's hacker chat style, that "status message" icon and, hmm, something I already forgot
[07:20] <Robosos> yes : (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[07:21] <Tm_T> Robosos: there you go
[07:21] <XVampireX> I dunno
[07:21] <Tm_T> then I do testing and end user support
[07:21] <Robosos> how can i install the driver?
[07:21] <Tm_T> Robosos: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:22] <Robosos> it's allready installed :(
[07:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:22] <XVampireX> and then in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:22] <XVampireX> go to Driver section
[07:22] <Jucato> Robosos: try it again, something may have gone wrong with the install
[07:22] <XVampireX> and if you see "nv"
[07:23] <XVampireX> change that to "nvidia"
[07:23] <XVampireX> then restart X and if you see nvidia logo you have it installed correctly
[07:23] <XVampireX> restart X = ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:24] <XVampireX> Though the steps could be reduced... ubuntu should strive for that
[07:25] <Raubkopierer> wer da?
[07:25] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: j
[07:25] <Robosos> tagchen
[07:26] <Tm_T> Robosos: works now?
[07:26] <XVampireX> !german
[07:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about german - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:26] <Jucato> XVampireX: I noticed that most Debian-based distros lack GUI front-ends to some of those complicated settings
[07:26] <Robosos> i must restart the display...
[07:26] <XVampireX> Jucato: Debian was designed for that :P
[07:26] <Jucato> For example: PPPoE and changing display drivers (except MEPIS)
[07:26] <XVampireX> Robosos: go ahead and do
[07:26] <Tm_T> I like to play around with "complicated" settings
[07:27] <simon___> Hmmm
[07:27] <scast> Now I only have one column of tray icons
[07:27] <scast> before  I had two
[07:27] <Jucato> I wonder if Kubuntu will ever try to make a K Menu entry for pppoeconf, even if all it does is just launch the command in a terminal
[07:27] <scast> :\
[07:27] <Jucato> scast: right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > set size to Custom 48
[07:27] <XVampireX> I wonder if there ever is going to be an all around dialer for xDSL modems
[07:28] <scast> Jucato: no, the system tray
[07:28] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:28] <Jucato> scast: yes I know. just try it
[07:28] <Jucato> try it first
[07:28] <Tm_T> raphink: wheee!
[07:28] <XVampireX> For example, I don't know how to install my aDSL connection directly, I connect through DHCP on a router connected through PPPTP
[07:28] <scast> now that's weird o_o
[07:28] <raphink> hi Tm_T
[07:29] <Jucato> XVampireX: ehehe. my ADSL connection uses PPPoE... DHCP is supposed to be easier to setup
[07:29] <XVampireX> :P
[07:29] <XVampireX> But I can't complain
[07:29] <XVampireX> connected 24/77
[07:29] <XVampireX> err
[07:29] <XVampireX> connected 24/7
[07:30] <Tm_T> :)
[07:30] <XVampireX> So it's a good deal
[07:30] <Jucato> let me see, there's KPPP for dial-up, KNetworkManager for wireless, the regular Network Manager for DHCP... oh where's the setup for PPPoE?
[07:30] <Jucato> XVampireX: I'm presuming your PC is also on 24/7777?
[07:30] <Jucato> :-D
[07:30] <Raubkopierer> mh... muss ich jetzt meine fragen englisch stellen? -.- ich hab doch ferien...
[07:30] <scast> Jucato: i love you rawr
[07:30] <Jucato> scast: see, I told yah! :-D
[07:30] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: please use english here
[07:30] <XVampireX> Jucato: Yeah, nowadays I use linux, so no problem for me leaving it on everyday.... cause it'll never crash or anything :P
[07:31] <Tm_T> !de
[07:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:31] <Jucato> Size 48 is the smallest panel size that allows 2 rows for system tray. Normal size is just a tad to small
[07:31] <scast> now the only thing is
[07:31] <Tm_T> default is large enough
[07:31] <scast> font's look weird
[07:31] <scast> o_o
[07:31] <Jucato> XVampireX: and how is your electricity bill? :-D
[07:31] <XVampireX> Not high
[07:31] <XVampireX> my comp sucks
[07:31] <scast> in some apps they look weird
[07:31] <Tm_T> though I have 82 px wide kicker
[07:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: default panel size is normal right?
[07:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: default panel size is "Normal" right?
[07:32] <Raubkopierer> oha... my english is
[07:33] <Raubkopierer> not so good :(
[07:33] <Raubkopierer> i will try it...
[07:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: afaik yes, but I don't remember (I don't have much default binaries even)
[07:34] <Raubkopierer> when i install ubuntu the installation crash while loading the modules for the floppy device...
[07:34] <Robert_____> linux don't start...
[07:34] <Jucato> Tm_T: well, IIRC, starting KDE 3.5.3, "Normal" size is too small to fit 2 rows of icons in the system tray
[07:34] <Jucato> but in KDE 3.5.2 and below, it was...
[07:35] <Robert_____> how was the path to the log file of the system?
[07:35] <Robert_____> and the path to the graphic-configuration?
[07:35] <Raubkopierer> can anyboady help me please?
[07:35] <Raubkopierer> *anybody
[07:35] <Robert_____> (sry, i don't notice that)
[07:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: to that yes, unless you tweak kickerrc (or what it was(
[07:35] <babag> ok. so i have to add a cdrom source with apt-cdrom to install a package i've downloaded to a cd.
[07:36] <Raubkopierer> :(
[07:36] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: have you tried to check cd integrity?
[07:36] <babag> i'm on a mandriva box here. how do i find and download kubuntu packages?
[07:37] <babag> i know rpmfind for mandriva. is there something like that for kubuntu?
[07:37] <Tm_T> babag: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <Raubkopierer> I have a dvd and a cd of ubuntu... bothe ones are ehm... allright Oo
[07:37] <babag> great! thanks.
[07:38] <Raubkopierer> ...
[07:39] <Jucato> [konversation]  does anyone know how to put the list of names on the left side rather than the right side?
[07:39] <Raubkopierer> tm_t: yes
[07:39] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee!
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[07:40] <Jucato> :-D
[07:42] <Raubkopierer> I have allready one sucsessful installation but it couldn't mount the root file system so i tried to reinstall ubuntu
[07:42] <Tm_T> hmmh
[07:42] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: what version it is? 6.06 desktop?
[07:43] <Raubkopierer> Tm_T, yes...
[07:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:44] <Raubkopierer> schould i try the alternate cd?
[07:44] <Tm_T> why not
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> because i have to download it first ;)
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> i will come back in some hours...
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> bye...
[07:46] <scast> wow
[07:46] <scast> I spent the last hour watching the suckiest movie ever
[07:46] <XVampireX> scast, or DO you?
[07:46] <Jucato> scast: while installing/customizing Kubuntu at the same time?
[07:46] <XVampireX> :)
[07:47] <Jucato> well, there's always "virtual" suicide...
[07:47] <abattoir> scast: was it the 'date movie' by any chance? :-\
[07:48] <scast> Jucato: yes, no.
[07:49] <scast> I feel like I waste the last 2 hours and half of my life.
[07:49] <Jucato> One thing I'm dying to have in KDE: an easy way to make Styles and Window Decorations...
[07:50] <XVampireX> Jucato: will have to wait for KDE4
[07:50] <Jucato> XVampireX: KDE 4 will have that? are you absolutely sure?!?!
[07:50] <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:50] <scast> There is one thing that I hate HATE about default kubuntu 6.06... The windeco is HORRIBLE.
[07:50] <XVampireX> It will be easier than now
[07:51] <XVampireX> scast: Agree...
[07:51] <Jucato> scast: I think they chose Crystal because it closely resembles the Human windeco of Ubuntu
[07:51] <Jucato> probably...
[07:51] <abattoir> the windeco, imho is nice, only the buttons....
[07:52] <scast> Jucato: I don't have trouble with Crysta. In fact, I think it is one of the best windeco available, but the way it is configurd by default in kubuntu is horrible.
[07:52] <scast> Crystal*
[07:52] <XVampireX> be back in a bit, gonna finish my sleep, for some reason I went to sleep at around 11pm and woke up at 5am and feeling sleepy now
[07:52] <Jucato> I changed the buttons to Crystal Aqua
[07:53] <Jucato> bye XVampireX! sweet dreams
[07:53] <scast> knifty ftw
[07:53] <XVampireX> It's morning
[07:53] <XVampireX> :P
[07:53] <XVampireX> ok
[07:53] <XVampireX> Thanks
[07:54] <Tm_T> scast: I have done knifty fork to my own use but I moved to b2
[07:54] <Jucato> btw, about window decorations, it was only until a few days ago that I discovered you can rearrange the window buttons... :-(
[07:54] <scast> Jucato: rawr.
[07:54] <scast> I used to have [minimize] [maximize] --title--[icon] [close]
[07:54] <scast> it was amazing :)
[07:55] <XVampireX> Tm_T: You could add Buddy Pounce to Kopete any time now...
[07:55] <Jucato> heheh! I still kept them in their place. but knowing that I can move them around satisfies me. :-D
[07:55] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what?
[07:55] <Jucato> what's Buddy Pounce...
[07:55] <scast> !lamp
[07:55] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:55] <XVampireX> I.E: In situations like this where I have to send someone who's offline a message yet going to sleep
[07:56] <Tm_T> I have [close] --title--[maximize]
[07:56] <scast> Tm_T: I am my friends think my old configuration was SICK!
[07:56] <scast> rawr
[07:56] <Tm_T> XVampireX: well, err, offline message you mean?
[07:56] <XVampireX> Tm_T: Buddy pounce is when you let kopete automatically perform an action when for example someone logs on or come back from away/etc...
[07:56] <Tm_T> aah
[07:56] <Jucato> hmm.. I could probably rearrange them too... gonna think of a nice layout
[07:56] <Tm_T> that one
[07:57] <Jucato> XVampireX: oooh.. so that's what it was for
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: hmm, there's none
[07:57] <XVampireX> Yup
[07:57] <Jucato> I always though Buddy Pounce was like a Buzz in YM...
[07:57] <XVampireX> I know, there should be
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: unless you write plugin ;)
[07:57] <abattoir> Tm_T: all these fancy names they give to these things.... right? ;)
[07:57] <scast> Something I really feel that Ubuntu could use is a decent PS1
[07:57] <scast> seriously.
[07:57] <Tm_T> abattoir: yeah
[07:57] <XVampireX> Are there any unofficial plugins written for kopete?
[07:57] <Jucato> scast: PS1? playstation 1?
[07:57] <scast> no
[07:57] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: sure, but don't ask where they are
[07:57] <scast> PS1, hmmm
[07:58] <scast> open up a console
[07:58] <scast> the simon@titan:~$
[07:59] <scast> PS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "
[07:59] <scast> try that one.
[07:59] <Jucato> er... what will that do?
[07:59] <Jucato> I'm scared of things I can't understand. :D
[08:00] <scast> Copy paste it into konsole. It's nothing permanent, if you dont like just close it.
[08:00] <Jucato> oooh
[08:00] <Jucato> I see
[08:01] <scast> you like ? ^^
[08:01] <Jucato> kinda... but what does/can it do?
[08:01] <scast> it's cuttier and it tell you the size of your current directory.
[08:01] <Jucato> ooh
[08:01] <Jucato> aaah
[08:02] <Tm_T> scast: one problem: awful colours
[08:02] <Tm_T> my eyes! :(
[08:02] <scast> yea. I think he changed it recently.
[08:03] <scast> Before it the blue was easier on the eyes
[08:03] <Jucato> it's not so bad on a black background
[08:04] <Tm_T> Jucato: it is
[08:04] <Jucato> :-D
[08:06] <wckdkl0wn> i try to go to this website to view a video and it tells me i need flash player in order to view it.. so i installed the file on macromedias website and it still dont work.. i also isntalled flashplugin-nonfree from the repos and still doesnt work
[08:06] <wckdkl0wn> any idea what i need?
[08:06] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: what browser are you using?
[08:07] <scast> Jucato, Tm_T:PS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> both firefox and konqueror
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: ^
[08:07] <Jucato> and it doesn't work even in Firefox?
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> nope
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> i checked the plugins list and it says i have flash plugins installed
[08:08] <wckdkl0wn> and plugins are enabled
[08:08] <Jucato> could you post a link to the site, so we could check?
[08:08] <Tm_T> scast: yup, hate that red there though, but improvenment with dark background yes
[08:08] <Ash-Fox> Ack, what is this filth, graphical emoticons in e-mail... NOOOOOOOO
[08:09] <Tm_T> Ash-Fox: that's me
[08:09] <scast> Tm_T: play with the numbers xD
[08:09] <Tm_T> scast: I know ;)
[08:09] <Jucato> much better
[08:10] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/46548/earthquake/
[08:10] <Jucato> er.. metacafe doesn't support anything Linux I think...
[08:10] <Jucato> there was a comment about that. I forgot when...
[08:11] <wckdkl0wn> oh
[08:11] <wckdkl0wn> so then my flash should be working ok then just that site is the problem
[08:11] <Jucato> i'm not absolutely sure, though
[08:11] <Jucato> I go to http://www.newgrounds.com to check if my flash works
[08:11] <apeman2020> Hello AllL!
[08:12] <apeman2020> Could anyone point me in the direction of a good system monitoring tool?
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> ctrl + escape
[08:12] <Jucato> and metacafe might be using a more recent Flash version that Linux doesn't support yet...
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> That's my system monitoring tool :P
[08:12] <apeman2020> haha
[08:12] <farous> i use gkrellm with fluxbox. kde  come with good applets though
[08:12] <apeman2020> sure sure
[08:12] <Jucato> or you can launch the full KSysGuard app
[08:13] <apeman2020> i am looking for something to actively display proc and mem usage
[08:13] <wckdkl0wn> yup works fine there
[08:13] <scast> Guys what are your essentials?
[08:13] <Ash-Fox> apeman2020, ksysguard can do that
[08:13] <wckdkl0wn> guess that means it just that site
[08:13] <farous> apeman2020: you mean howm many processes
[08:13] <apeman2020> Ash-Fox: thanks
[08:13] <Jucato> apeman2020: try KSysGuard (the full KSysGuard from K Menu >System)
[08:14] <apeman2020> Alcon i have used that . i am looking for more like a toolbar or the like
[08:14] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: metacafe link doesn't work here, too. And I'm sure my firefox is working
[08:14] <apeman2020> something that sits in the background..
[08:14] <Jucato> apeman2020: the System Monitor Applet?
[08:15] <wckdkl0wn> ok no biggy i thought it was something i was doing wrong.. i just couldnt see why it wasnt workin when flash was install
[08:15] <wckdkl0wn> ty for the help
[08:15] <Jucato> apeman2020: or KSensors, which sits n the system tray
[08:15] <apeman2020> Jucato: ksenors?
[08:15] <apeman2020> something like rainlender..
[08:17] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: what if i was to install firefox using wine? since the new flash is compatible with windows
[08:17] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: I'm not really sure...
[08:17] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> wckdkl0wn, you could install firefox using wine.
[08:20] <Ash-Fox> It's messy, and a bit pointless in my opinion, but you can.
[08:21] <scast> !postgres
[08:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about postgres - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:21] <scast> !postgresql
[08:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about postgresql - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:21] <scast> -_-
[08:21] <apeman2020> agree with the wine:firefox thing
[08:21] <scast> well LAMP is done.
[08:21] <scast> !ssh
[08:21] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[08:22] <apeman2020> WINscp is a good GUI as well
[08:22] <unix_infidel> maybe the factoid should reflect which clients are decent for Linux as well :P
[08:22] <unix_infidel> seeing as this IS Linux #
[08:23] <scast> !fuse
[08:23] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:23] <scast> o_o
[08:24] <Jucato> bbl...
[08:27] <m0ns00n> Hey! Anyone else here have a KDesktop that doesn't update to show icons added to the desktop?
[08:27] <m0ns00n> Seems like I need to kill KDesktop from time to time to make it work - then it runs a bit and then stops updating again...
[08:27] <m0ns00n> It doesn't lock.
[08:28] <scast> I am not sure how thing exactly work in apt but when I have like 3 repos with the same package what package it picks? The newer? The first repo listed in the sources.list? The one from the official repos?
[08:29] <AegeanLinux> My kd is fine
[08:30] <Hawkwind> scast: It'll pick the first one if they are all the same, or the newest one of the three
[08:30] <scast> !sources
[08:30] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:30] <scast> !easysource
[08:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:39] <gplfighter> 'morning
[08:43] <bugunu> does anyone know why nmap from root doesn't work?
[08:43] <scast> Off to sleep
[08:43] <bugunu> nevermind that, updated :-"
[08:53] <supernix> Hi
[08:54] <supernix> I have been fighting for the longest to get a dialup connection working under Kubuntu no luck even on a serial modem
[08:55] <supernix> I thought that I might just try another distro to see what results I get and I chose Knoppix well once I did the setup routine for a connection under Knoppix it worked fine I was actually able to connect using the live cd
[09:11] <miyako> ok, I finally got everything to install
[09:12] <miyako> it seems that the problem was that the installer was trying to install grub to my IDE drive, when I physically removed the cable connecting the IDE hard drive and installed, it installed and configured grub properly for my SATA drive
[09:12] <miyako> hopefully, if I hook my IDE drive back up I will still be able to boot up properly
[09:32] <mioemi> hello good people
[09:37] <supernix> Hiya
[09:37] <supernix> finally someone graces me with their presence
[09:37] <Lynoure> hmm
[09:38] <Lynoure> Sorry, I'm not much help with dialup things anymore, not on kubuntu anyway
[09:41] <supernix> np most people are using dsl or cable or some sort of wifi or ethernet connection
[09:41] <supernix> I have not used dialup on almost 10 years
[09:42] <supernix> My fiancee however only uses dialup
[09:42] <supernix> Sad to say I will most likely be stuck with dialup in the comming months as well since I will be moving to the country
[09:49] <kraut> moin
[10:06] <farous> anyone know how to disable acceping pm. using irssi here
[10:14] <sjk> farous, use /ignore.
[10:15] <farous> sjk: i do not want to be rude
[10:15] <farous> ignore is used to ignore specific person or pattern in the channel i just do not want to accept any pm
[10:16] <sjk> /ignore * MSGS
[10:16] <farous> thanx sjk
[10:18] <farous> yah that is much better thanx again sjk :)
[10:21] <sjk> farous, yw
[10:24] <Gingillo> hi,i have a problem installing kubuntu. I start installation. But it stops on "mounting root file system" what can i do? Thanks
[10:29] <Gingillo> =(
[10:29] <farous> Gingillo: did you format the root partition as ext3
[10:29] <Gingillo> i didnt format nothing
[10:29] <farous> Gingillo: if you just explain more people can be more helpful
[10:30] <Gingillo> ok...
[10:30] <farous> Gingillo: which cd you used
[10:30] <farous> and how far in the installation you went
[10:30] <gplfighter> i think he means when the cd boots.
[10:31] <gplfighter> usplash says : mounting root file system
[10:31] <gplfighter> here it takes a long time in the livecd
[10:31] <farous> lol he left
[10:31] <Gingillo_> sorry :P
[10:31] <farous> ah dc wb
[10:32] <Gingillo_> this cd: "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso"
[10:32] <farous> so was it the livecd you talk about as gplfighter suggested
[10:32] <Gingillo_> livecd???
[10:32] <gplfighter> thats  the licecd
[10:32] <gplfighter> the 'normal' install dic
[10:32] <Gingillo_> i want to install kubuntu, not to try it..
[10:33] <gplfighter> Gingillo_: yes, the livecd is also the install cd
[10:33] <Gingillo_> ah lol thanks
[10:33] <farous> Gingillo_: ok so when did the problem occur and how far was you in the installation
[10:33] <gplfighter> i think the disc was still booting
[10:34] <gplfighter> Gingillo_: ?
[10:34] <godvirus_> hello
[10:34] <gplfighter> lo godvirus_
[10:34] <godvirus_> i downloaded a live cd and i get some weird language
[10:34] <Gingillo_> the problem occurred in the second step of the installation: i choose "install" than it mounts the kernel and the second step is "mounting root file system"
[10:35] <gplfighter> wait
[10:35] <godvirus_> Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE
[10:35] <Gingillo_> i'll wait np =)
[10:35] <gplfighter> llol
[10:35] <godvirus_> did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language
[10:35] <gplfighter> you mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/10.png ??
[10:36] <farous> Gingillo_: it seems like the livecd and depending on your system it might take sometime so just wait for it to start
[10:36] <Gingillo_> i waited like 5 mins, and i listen thath the cd reader is not reading.. so i reboot.. am i wrong? :P
[10:37] <gplfighter> you mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/11.png ??
[10:37] <gplfighter> mounting root file system
[10:37] <gplfighter> or ...
[10:37] <Gingillo_> ehm i don't see the page sorry
[10:37] <Gingillo_> my connection =|
[10:37] <gplfighter> k
[10:37] <Gingillo_> dont u have a mirror? :P
[10:37] <gplfighter> wait a seconf
[10:38] <godvirus_> hello
[10:38] <abattoir> Gingillo_: did you try booting in the safe boot mode?
[10:38] <Gingillo_> no
[10:38] <Gingillo_> should i?
[10:39] <abattoir> Gingillo_: ok, maybe i got it wrong, but as soon as the cd boots, you choose 'Install', then you see the progress dialog(kernel)... and then you see the kubuntu logo... it freezes here... right?
[10:39] <gplfighter> http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1913/10zj2.png
[10:39] <Gingillo_> yes, when i see the kubuntu logo and the last line is "mounting root file system"
[10:40] <Gingillo_> gplfighter: yes
[10:40] <gplfighter> like my url
[10:40] <gplfighter> ok
[10:41] <abattoir> Gingillo_: what is your harddisk layout?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> layout?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> i have 2 hard disks
[10:41] <abattoir> Gingillo_: yes, what partitions, which filesystems?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> but windows has done a vry strange thing :P
[10:42] <Gingillo_> this is not my problem
[10:42] <Gingillo_> i have a 30gb hard disk called C (backup) and a 200 gb hard disk called F
[10:43] <abattoir> Gingillo_: ok, try the safe boot thing
[10:43] <Gingillo_> ok
[10:43] <Gingillo_> i try
[10:43] <Gingillo_> mmh
[10:43] <Gingillo_> if it stops on mounting in the safe boot
[10:43] <Gingillo_> how much have i to wait?
[10:44] <rikioh> is there a way i can take a big file from linux ( too big to burn) and view it on my windows partition... since i have 2 hdd's it just says hdd not formatted when i try to access it in windows
[10:44] <abattoir> Gingillo_: not more than 2~3 mins. max. , i'd say
[10:44] <abattoir> rikioh: windows does not recognize native linux file systems
[10:45] <abattoir> rikioh: so you cant copy it from windows natively
[10:45] <Gingillo_> ok thanks  abattoir. I'm going to try it
[10:45] <abattoir> rikioh: if the windows partition is fat(32) then copy it when you are booted into linux, into the windows partition
[10:46] <rikioh> ntsf
[10:46] <rikioh> or you know what i mean
[10:46] <abattoir> yes, ntfs
[10:46] <abattoir> ntfs write support is highly experimental... in linux...
[10:47] <godvirus_> did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language
[10:47] <farous> rikioh: there is a prog and a driver that let window see linux part
[10:47] <farous> ext2fs
[10:47] <abattoir> godvirus_: where did you download it from ?
[10:47] <farous> look it up on sourcefourge
[10:47] <abattoir> godvirus_: link ?
[10:47] <godvirus_> united states mirror
[10:47] <rikioh> so i install ext2fs on windows?
[10:48] <farous> rikioh: you just run it or install it there are couple of progs there just check it out if you do that regularly
[10:48] <farous> rikioh: if it is a one time thing load it to google then download it
[10:49] <abattoir> godvirus_: i dont think 'non-english versions' exist.... but I think de releases german versions... not sure
[10:49] <godvirus_> pretty sure i got it from here http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[10:49] <godvirus_> ok somehow i got a german version
[10:49] <rikioh> this file is almost 2 gigs i dont think i can laod it to google
[10:49] <abattoir> godvirus_: is it german? sure?
[10:49] <godvirus_> Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE
[10:49] <abattoir> haha, ok
[10:51] <abattoir> godvirus_: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[10:52] <gplfighter> godvirus_: or if you can wait a few weeks : http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[10:59] <godvirus_> so how do i install it?
[10:59] <godvirus_> nm
[11:08] <Rodil> hi
[11:10] <gogeta> hi
[11:10] <gplfighter> hi
[11:11] <gogeta> lol
[11:11] <gogeta> just inital install and tweaking right now
[11:11] <gogeta> and 103 updates
[11:11] <gplfighter> tweaking?
[11:11] <gogeta> lol
[11:11] <gogeta> yea
[11:11] <gplfighter> 103 ==> LOL
[11:11] <gogeta> ati drivers etc
[11:11] <gplfighter> ah k
[11:12] <gogeta> rpms suck
[11:12] <gogeta> lol
[11:12] <gogeta> relly they have no way of keeping themselfs from cluttering the system up
[11:12] <Rodil> ghu, kinda wierd being such a newb I can't get anything to work again...
[11:13] <gogeta> ?
[11:13] <gogeta> anything is a pretty wide area to try and help with lol
[11:13] <Rodil> just bought a new laptop and am loading up kubuntu on it, been using windows/dos forever.
[11:13] <gogeta> welcome to the free world then
[11:14] <gogeta> lol
[11:14] <Rodil> having problems with hardware recognition I think.
[11:14] <gogeta> what it doing
[11:14] <Rodil> I'm not sure if it knows my modem is there, but I'm getting a modem is busy thing with kppp
[11:15] <Rodil> and have no clue of where to start fixing that. :)
[11:15] <gogeta> lol your online yea its busy
[11:15] <Rodil> I'm on my windows box now
[11:15] <gogeta> oh thats a easy one
[11:15] <gogeta> dont hibnerate xp
[11:15] <Rodil> I wiped xp
[11:15] <gogeta> shut it down fully your modem should free up
[11:16] <gogeta> oh
[11:16] <Rodil> can't stand xp, which is why I went with kubuntu
[11:16] <gogeta> well i use both
[11:16] <Rodil> my windows box still runs me. :P
[11:16] <gogeta> nmost do
[11:16] <gogeta> so modem busy
[11:17] <Rodil> I don't play games so figured I wasn't losing much by ditching windows completely
[11:17] <gogeta> shure the number you diald wasent busy lol
[11:17] <Rodil> it's not even getting to the dialing part
[11:17] <gogeta> oh
[11:18] <n3storm> my printing system has stopped working
[11:18] <n3storm> ps aux says cupsd is running
[11:18] <gogeta> it a smart link?
[11:18] <n3storm> I have unnistalled cupsys and installed back again
[11:18] <n3storm> nothing
[11:18] <n3storm> any idea?
[11:18] <ricardo> hi everybody..i have dual boot win xp....is it possible to take some ntfs GBytes to reformat them to ext2 merge them with the linux partition (from linux)?
[11:19] <gplfighter> ricardo, yes, witm PM
[11:19] <ricardo> !PM
[11:19] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[11:19] <n3storm> Unable to bind socket for address <IP_ADDRESS>:631 - Cannot assign requested address
[11:19] <gplfighter> Partition Magic
[11:19] <crimsun> it's also possible if your Ubuntu partition is on lvm.
[11:19] <ricardo> ah..ok...isnt that a win only app?
[11:19] <gplfighter> yes, but it is dual boot, not :p
[11:19] <n3storm> this message can be read at var/log/cups/error_log
[11:20] <ricardo> crimsun: how can i know if im under lvm?
[11:20] <Healot> tried novell desktop 10.1 xgl, works nicely :0
[11:21] <gogeta> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.2
[11:21] <gogeta> thers your errer and ways to try and fix it
[11:22] <ricardo> is there a 'free' app for linux like pm?
[11:22] <gogeta> partation magic
[11:22] <gogeta> ?
[11:23] <crimsun> ricardo: /etc/mtab for your / partition will show you
[11:23] <gogeta> i beleve the modern linux partation system can safly resize windows
[11:23] <n3storm> ricardo qtparted or qparted
[11:23] <gogeta> witch is used in the installer
[11:23] <ricardo> crimsun and n3storm: thanks!
[11:24] <ricardo> gogeta: how??
[11:25] <gplfighter> NO
[11:25] <gplfighter> they can't resize ntfs
[11:26] <gplfighter> i've destroyed my ntfs partition
[11:26] <Healot> resize NTFS/FAT partitions yes
[11:26] <Healot> but there are always risks :-
[11:27] <ricardo> Healot: aha....so....whats your advice...
[11:28] <ricardo> i dont care if the ntfs partition get scrambled in the way i just wanna be sure that linux wont be unbootable after that
[11:28] <Healot> use Windows partitioner, or be careful when resizing...
[11:30] <ricardo> ok...so is it safe to resize merge ntfs and ext2 partitions with partition magic? should i modify anything right back at linux mtab / fstab?
[11:30] <ricardo> Healot:
[11:30] <Healot> pm is the best imho... yet
[11:30] <exmethix> hi @ all
[11:31] <exmethix> i have a problem starting xgl with kubuntu
[11:31] <ricardo> Healot: imho?
[11:31] <Healot> if you resize partition, no need to change the fstab entry, but if you created/deleted partitions, you will
[11:31] <Healot> need to change the entry
[11:31] <exmethix> is it possible to start xgl with the kubuntu login manager?
[11:31] <ricardo> Healot: na...i just wanna take 5 GB from win and give them to my precious....
[11:31] <exmethix> with ubuntu i could start ist with gdm
[11:33] <noiesmo> exmethix, here is kdm http://www.compiz.net/topic-256-how-install-xgl-compiz-mepis-for-nvidia
[11:34] <noiesmo> exmethix, i'm running on kubuntu but i just have a compiz session and then if i want can run xgl or normal
[11:34] <New> hi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail
[11:34] <exmethix> noiesmo: i have ati (fglrx)
[11:34] <New> hi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail
[11:34] <new_penguin> it is great
[11:34] <noiesmo> exmethix, here http://www.compiz.net/topic-392-using-kdm-combination-with-fglrx-ati
[11:35] <new_penguin> i also got ubuntu and esubuntu
[11:35] <exmethix> thanks
[11:35] <new_penguin> edubuntu*
[11:38] <Healot> i only have windows xp :)
[11:47] <paines> hi
[11:51] <lied> moin, kann mir jeman nen guten homepage editor sagen? (also jetz bitte keine antworten wie nim vi oder so ;) )
[11:52] <aliasfred> !de
[11:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:52] <lied> oh sorry :)
[11:52] <aliasfred> you will likely get better help there :)
[11:53] <lied> aliasfred:  yeah you right :)
[11:53] <aliasfred> lied, try nvu
[11:53] <aliasfred> parsed out of my school german :)
[11:53] <aliasfred> real good :) :) :)
[11:54] <paines> lied, quanta is also a good choice for starters, or bluefish
[11:56] <_thumper_> downloaded edgy alternate kubuntu iso
[11:57] <_thumper_> started it up and decided to run the check cd contents
[11:57] <_thumper_> came back with md5 checksum error
[11:57] <lied> paines:  i know quanta, this is realy good for beginners
[11:57] <_thumper_> does this mean it is really screwed, or just that it may be?
[11:57] <_thumper_> could it still install ok?
[11:57] <paines> _thumper_, really
[11:58] <_thumper_> it is just an md5 error on one of the packages
[11:58] <paines> _thumper_, mine was scratched and in the halt of the install it failed,
[11:58] <_thumper_> could it be that the md5 check is out of date?
[11:58] <paines> halt=half
[12:02] <ricardo> what about linux defraging? is it useful or doesnt make sense?
[12:02] <Healot> available, but not required, ricardo
[12:02] <ricardo> Healot: so...would it improve performance?
[12:02] <Healot> not really
[12:02] <Healot> en.wikipedia.org/ext3
[12:03] <ricardo> Healot: so it is just a cosmetic tool?
[12:06] <ricardo> Healot: ok...thanks...so another question...my linux partition is ext2...should i change it to ext3....would that change be transparent?
[12:06] <Healot> yup
[12:07] <Healot> tune2fs -j <partition>
[12:07] <Healot> prepend sudo of course
[12:07] <ricardo> Healot: should i do it using qtparted from linux?
[12:07] <ricardo> Healot: oh..ok...
[12:08] <Healot> man tune2fs for more options
[12:09] <ricardo> Healot: already doing that thank you very much!! youve been really helpful
[12:10] <Kabal> In TOP I see 2 zombie proccesses.. how can I identify these 2?
[12:10] <paines> Kabal, what do you mean by identify ?
[12:11] <aliasfred> Kabal: use pstree to know what are the child processes
[12:11] <paines> Kabal, there should be process name ( defunct) or something. so you know that processname is a zombie
[12:11] <Kabal> well I see alot of stuff running in top.. and I want to kill zombies
[12:12] <aliasfred> kabal, you cant kill zombie, they will disapears as soon as their child processes end
[12:12] <Kabal> oke.. :)
[12:13] <Kabal> pstree is a great view.. didn't knew that command.. :)
[12:13] <Kabal> paines: can't seem to find any (defunct)
[12:14] <paines> Kabal, de defunct indicated zombies, if you haven't any, then it is okay
[12:14] <Kabal> paines: ok :)
[12:14] <Kabal> xmms is a childprocess of kdeinit?
[12:15] <Kabal> for example? or am I wrong here..?
[12:18] <exmethix> iget the following error when i try to start my compiz:
[12:19] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/WsHKdO18.htmlaste/results/WsHKdO18.html
[12:19] <exmethix> anyone can help?
[12:20] <noiesmo> exmethix, link didnt work for me
[12:20] <paines> exmethix, if you would paste an url which is valid maybe someone could help
[12:21] <jott_> exmethix: sudo apt-get install python-gtk2
[12:22] <Kabal> paines: the 2 zombies are [operapluginwrap]  <defunct>
[12:22] <Kabal> is this normal/ok?
[12:22] <paines> Kabal, aha.  is opera still runninng
[12:23] <Kabal> jup :P
[12:23] <Kabal> irc'ing now wif opera :)
[12:23] <Rodil> how do I get the make command?
[12:23] <paines> Kabal, no, but it also isn't much of a problem. when you finish opera he will take his childs with him
[12:23] <paines> Kabal, so the wrapper thingy should disappera
[12:24] <paines> Rodil, apt-get install build-essntial
[12:24] <Kabal> paines: thanx! learned alot again.. :)
[12:24] <Kabal> really like the pstree command :)
[12:25] <paines> Rodil, apt-get install build-essential
[12:25] <paines> sorry
[12:25] <Rodil> syas permission denied, couldn't unlock
[12:25] <Alatriste> joder
[12:25] <Alatriste> my APT has died
[12:25] <paines> Rodil, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:25] <Alatriste> i'm getting for anything the same error
[12:25] <Alatriste> Fallo de segmentacinetes... 69%
[12:25] <Alatriste> and i've goggled but there is nothing for this error
[12:25] <Rodil> couldn't find package build-essential
[12:26] <Alatriste> somebody know about it?
[12:26] <paines> Rodil, sudo apt-get install make
[12:26] <Rodil> couldn't find package make
[12:26] <paines> Rodil, well then you have a problem
[12:26] <Rodil> :)
[12:27] <paines> Rodil, use pastebin.com and show us you /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <paines> man i need a secretary or speech input. so many typos
[12:28] <Rodil> I'm on a different box here, can't get the modem working in kubuntu and don't have dual boot
[12:29] <Alatriste> my APT has died
[12:29] <Alatriste> i'm getting for anything the same error
[12:29] <Alatriste> Fallo de segmentacinetes... 69%
[12:29] <Alatriste> and i've goggled but there is nothing for this error
[12:29] <Alatriste> somebody know about it?
[12:30] <paines> Alatriste, open up a konsole, and give in sudo apt-get -f install
[12:30] <Alatriste> paines: , yes i did and same error
[12:31] <Rodil> how do I get rid of this permission denied thing?
[12:32] <paines> Alatriste, do sudo unset LANG and reepat the -f install command, to see the error in english
[12:33] <Alatriste> paines: , um, this command not works in kubuntu
[12:34] <paines> Alatriste, and unset LANGUAGE
[12:35] <Alatriste> paines: same COMMAND NOT FOUND
[12:35] <Rodil> says permissino denied when I /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <tsdgeos> need sudo
[12:36] <Rodil> says command not found with sudo
[12:37] <paines> Rodil, sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:37] <fritsch> paines: works without sudo, too
[12:37] <paines> Alatriste, unset is a bash command.
[12:37] <paines> fritsch, true ;-)
[12:39] <Alatriste> paines: um, i'm a bit newbie in linux, i only  know to type and enter it ina  terminal
[12:39] <paines> Alatriste, what happend that your apt-whatever died ?
[12:39] <exmethix> now i get another error with my python compiz script:
[12:40] <Alatriste> paines:  i don't know exactly i before get an error about memory, which i read was cache got too small for repositories
[12:40] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bEKnbP70.html
[12:40] <exmethix> anyone could help?
[12:41] <fritsch> mom
[12:41] <Alatriste> so i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;
[12:41] <fritsch> exmethix: sorry, no
[12:41] <Alatriste> paines: , so i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;
[12:42] <fritsch> Alatriste: sorry, did not get the error, joined too late, what was it?
[12:42] <Alatriste> paines: , but i continued getting the error about memory, so i deleted some repositories from souces.list
[12:42] <exmethix> i think there is something missing, to allow the python script making a tray icon
[12:42] <exmethix> ???
[12:42] <paines> Alatriste, have you done a apt-get update after changing that
[12:42] <fritsch> exmethix: i think this icon does not exist
[12:42] <Alatriste> paines: , then after removing repositories i did yes the apt-get update
[12:43] <Alatriste> paines: and i got the "Fallo de segmentaciones..."%" error
[12:43] <fritsch> Alatriste: segmentation fault? hen you do apt-get update?
[12:43] <fritsch> Alatriste: does the command dmesg say sth. about very bad Ram :-)?
[12:43] <paines> Alatriste, ohh. i  think that is segmentation fault in spanish ?
[12:44] <Alatriste> fritsch: update, install or anything
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: never seen that before in over 5 years apt-get
[12:44] <paines> Alatriste, thats really bad an shouldn't happen
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: your computer is okay?
[12:44] <Alatriste> fritsch: , what command exactly?
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: apt-get update
[12:44] <Alatriste> paines: i think yes i changed only two months ago
[12:44] <jott_> exmethix: install python-gnome2-extras
[12:45] <fritsch> Alatriste: this really should not end up in segmentation fault
[12:45] <Alatriste> fritsch: , update only says segmentation fault
[12:45] <paines> Alatriste, best is , cause this is very debian specifi, to ask in a debian channel
[12:45] <fritsch> Alatriste: execute "dmesg", do you see errors?
[12:46] <Alatriste> fritsch: , not
[12:46] <exmethix> jott_: ok
[12:46] <Alatriste> and everything works right in win and linux
[12:46] <fritsch> Alatriste: did you do the apt.conf change because of this error?
[12:46] <fritsch> Alatriste: revert it
[12:46] <mioemi> can anybody tell me how I can install wine?
[12:47] <Alatriste> fritsch: yes,
[12:47] <Alatriste> fritsch: , oki
[12:47] <fritsch> mioemi: sudo apt-get install wine
[12:47] <mioemi> ok frits
[12:48] <mioemi> let me make an attempt now
[12:48] <Alatriste> fritsch: , if i remove now i get the "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
[12:48] <_dbglt> hrmm anyone know what I have to install in apollon to get the media player function working? I  get "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player."
[12:50] <fritsch> Alatriste: okay! this error i saw before
[12:50] <fritsch> Alatriste: add this: APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; <- to your apt.conf
[12:51] <fritsch> your number was much too high, i think
[12:53] <fritsch> Alatriste: working?
[12:53] <Rodil> ok, I downloaded a copy of build-essential, does it need to be in a specific place for apt.get install to find it?
[12:54] <Alatriste> fritsch: , yes, but now i get again the segmentation error
[12:57] <fritsch> Alatriste: hehe, play with the values?
[01:01] <Alatriste> uff
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: a bit of googling said, that this can be caused by a messed up sources.list
[01:01] <Alatriste> fritsch: , very thnkas, in increased the size a lot
[01:01] <abattoir> Rodil: you 'downloaded' it? you mean you downloaded the .deb file manually?
[01:01] <fritsch> can you pastebin you sources.list somewhere
[01:01] <Alatriste> fritsch: and now it works :)
[01:01] <Rodil> yeah
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: hehe, cool
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: which value did you take?
[01:02] <Alatriste> fritsch: APT::Cache-Limit "19388608";
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: there's an easier method, 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' will automatically download, and install it for you
[01:02] <Rodil> I think my package list is messed up...
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: oh, oops, sorry :P
[01:02] <fritsch> Alatriste: have to leave for short (built beta pacakges of network-manager)
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: then you can install it by 'sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file'
[01:03] <Rodil> E: Couldn't find package build-essential for the apt-get install build essential...
[01:05] <abattoir> Rodil: hmmm.. wait a sec, what exactly i sthe background, does apt not work for you or...?
[01:05] <Rodil> how do I tell if apt is working or not?
[01:06] <abattoir> Rodil: wait... you seem to have had some problem w/ your sources.list right?
[01:06] <Rodil> yeah
[01:08] <Rodil> I can bring that up, but I'm on a different box here, so no cut and paste, anything I'm looking for in specific?  It mostly says... 'line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:'
[01:10] <Rodil> and I think apt is working fine, used it on a couple other things
[01:10] <marek_> hi
[01:10] <Rodil> hi
[01:10] <abattoir> Rodil: that's normal if you werent connected to the internet whilst installing
[01:10] <Rodil> ahhh
[01:10] <Rodil> so how to fix?
[01:10] <marek_> can some one assistme with ubuntu problems?
[01:11] <Rodil> the problem being that I can't get online as is
[01:11] <Rodil> with that box
[01:11] <abattoir> Rodil: just uncomment the line w/ something like 'deb http://some/url/ dapper main restricted'
[01:11] <abattoir> Rodil: oh, you cant get online? then how'd you get the packages from main?
[01:12] <abattoir> Rodil: 'build-essential' is a meta-package, i.e. it depends on other packages, downloading that manually and installing it wont work
[01:12] <abattoir> Rodil: you'd need to download all the packages it depends on too
[01:13] <Rodil> I dunno, maybe I haven't gotten the packages and thats the problem, I can't get online and every possible fix I've found thus far involves getting the make command which involves getting online
[01:13] <Rodil> for the getting online thing, kppp is giving me a 'modem is busy' error
[01:30] <marek_> help needed here with ubuntu
[01:32] <user_> what kind of help do U need marek?
[01:32] <marek_> tv
[01:32] <marek_> out
[01:32] <marek_> mp3 palys funny
[01:33] <user_> how?
[01:33] <marek_> when i listen to music its like shaking
[01:33] <marek_> i dont konow how to explain
[01:34] <narvik86> !info mp3
[01:34] <ubotu> Package mp3 does not exist in dapper
[01:34] <narvik86> !mp3
[01:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:34] <user_> have U tried checking on the video hardware in use?
[01:34] <marek_> it feels like playing music on my old amiga when i han nod enough procesor power
[01:35] <marek_> i have instaled standart codecs
[01:36] <marek_> other thing that i cant use tv out
[01:36] <narvik86> what player are you using?
[01:37] <narvik86> marek_ are you PL?
[01:38] <marek_> yes
[01:39] <marek_> i use all player with same effect
[01:39] <narvik86> marek_ try #ubuntu-pl, forum.ubuntu.pl albo razem sprobojemy cos wykombinowac
[01:40] <marek_> :)
[01:41] <marek_> narvik86 jestes zarajestrowany?
[01:41] <narvik86> yes :)
[01:41] <marek_> pm do mnie
[01:42] <narvik86> marek_ otrzymales pm ?
[01:44] <marek_> tak
[01:44] <narvik86> i?
[01:45] <marek_> mushe sie zarejestrovac
[01:45] <MistaED> hey is kubuntu's kde 3.5.4 for dapper got a buggy HAL?
[01:46] <abattoir> MistaED: what's the problem? media:/ ?
[01:48] <MistaED> abattoir: my dad is using ubuntu (gnome) but he wanted the latest kaffeine player for his dvb tv card, and i noticed it updated a bunch of HAL-related stuff
[01:48] <studio_> come posso fare per vedere i wmv?
[01:48] <abattoir> !it
[01:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:48] <MistaED> abattoir: now he is having problems with the printer usb turning off and on and gnome-volume-manager has crashed once or twice
[01:49] <_lars9> hmm... anyone had the problem that ath0 suddenly disappeard?
[01:49] <abattoir> MistaED: could be, but the hal updates must have come from the official ubuntu repos...
[01:49] <MistaED> abattoir: i have also been having some issues, where my mouse would lock up and gvm crashed as well, i think i'll have to downgrade the packages or something
[01:50] <abattoir> MistaED: the only ones i've heard are related to media:/ in konq, where all the mounted/unmounted partitions arent shown
[01:50] <abattoir> MistaED: asked @ # ubuntu ?
[01:51] <MistaED> abattoir: i thought i would ask here first because i heard 3.5.4 had some hal-related updates for managing media and it did update from the kde-354 repo on kubuntu.org
[01:52] <abattoir> MistaED: kubuntu.org has hal packages?
[01:52] <abattoir> MistaED: yes, it does...
[01:53] <MistaED> abattoir: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/pool-dapper/extra/hal/
[01:53] <abattoir> yes, i just saw
[01:53] <MistaED> ;)
[01:53] <abattoir> MistaED: yes, you could try downgrading... might solve your problems
[02:00] <visik7> someone here using knode?
[02:01] <visik7>  there is a bug in knode
[02:01] <visik7> the config dialog is empty
[02:01] <visik7> completly empty
[02:02] <narvik86> i'm ap-getting knode :)
[02:03] <narvik86> which config dialog?
[02:03] <narvik86> settings -> knode configuration?
[02:04] <visik7> yes
[02:04] <MistaED> abattoir: cool just did it to both machines, should i post a bug report of sorts? i'm not sure exactly how
[02:04] <visik7> here is completly empty
[02:04] <narvik86> i have there all options
[02:04] <narvik86> appearance
[02:05] <visik7> are u using 3.5.2 or 3.5.3 or 3.5.4 ?
[02:05] <abattoir> MistaED: did what, you went back to 3.5.3 ?
[02:05] <visik7> narvik86: what kde are u using the default provided with dapper ?
[02:05] <narvik86> visik7 not sure, how can i be sure?
[02:06] <MistaED> abattoir: nah i just downgraded the hal packages but kept the kde updates, kaffeine isn't dependent on the latest hal it seems