[11:09] <vinay_> what's the version of maas that ships with 14.10?
[19:00] <blake_r> serverascode: what do you mean a class of hw?
[21:10] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu 14.10 MAAS - Importing images | http://askubuntu.com/q/608151


[00:00] <coalwater> night seidos and MrChrisDruif
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well coalwater
[00:01] <coalwater> ty
[00:18] <norm_> hello, I have a question: How is it that my terminal windows are unreadable? Ie. ctrl-alt-F2 is white and funny looking. Is this a video card problem or can I set it to default vga?
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know, but I'm going offline. Bad timing I guess. Good luck norm_ :)
[03:37] <KyleB> What does disabling shell access when creating a user do?
[03:38] <holstein> KyleB: keeps that user out of the shell
[03:38] <holstein> i would think it would be a security step
[03:39] <KyleB> holstein: Ok thanks.
[03:40] <asterismo> i have a question
[03:40] <asterismo> i people
[03:40] <asterismo> hi people
[03:40] <KyleB> Hi
[03:41] <asterismo> my HP 6735s laptop since 2 weeks started to reboot spontaneously when idle
[03:41] <asterismo> this happens to me once a day or two
[03:42] <asterismo> but i would like to look at the logs if there is any, and see what did last the laptop before reboot
[03:42] <asterismo> is there any kernel log i can check out?
[03:42] <asterismo> because this is a very bad bug
[03:42] <holstein> asterismo: might be
[03:42] <holstein> BUT
[03:42] <holstein> i would say
[03:43] <holstein> unplug the HD
[03:43] <holstein> get a live CD
[03:43] <holstein> boot that
[03:43] <holstein> IF it starts failing
[03:43] <holstein> then, you know its hardware
[03:43] <holstein> thats what you need to rule out*
[03:44] <asterismo> but i really do not have the time to do this
[03:44] <asterismo> but if it is some hardware it should be an error log somewhere, right?
[03:45] <holstein> asterismo: not necessarily
[03:45] <holstein> if the hardware is causing the issue
[03:45] <holstein> then, it would just shut ff
[03:45] <holstein> off*
[03:45] <holstein> and im not sure if you would get a proper report
[03:45] <holstein> thats fairly definitive
[03:46] <holstein> even if you dont want to unplug the drive
[03:46] <holstein> just run a live CD
[03:46] <asterismo> but in live CD i don not have all updates and stuff
[03:46] <holstein> to get the OS out of the way
[03:46] <holstein> asterismo: right
[03:46] <holstein> IF the machine shuts down
[03:46] <holstein> when you are running the live CD
[03:46] <holstein> the same as it is now
[03:46] <holstein> then, you can stop messing with the OS
[03:46] <holstein> and fix the hardware
[03:55] <Error404NotFound> oi
[11:06] <zava> hello, how is Ubuntu getting along with EMU soundcards ?
[11:08] <Sidewinder1> zava: I'm not familiar with EMU cards, you might try a search on http://www.ubuntuforums.org, if you haven't already.
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> !sound
[11:09] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[11:09] <zava> well, last time i've tried Ubuntu it was quite buggy and the guys from the forums gave me the same feedback
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> Just try the livecd I would say
[11:09] <zava> I' ve tried previous version, 10
[11:10] <zava> now i'm running virtual box
[11:10] <zava> I'll say what happens
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, but now we're at 11.04 (btw, which version 10? 10.04 or 10.10?)
[11:10] <zava> 10.4 I guess
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> A year ago?
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Ubuntu has a new version every 6 months
[11:10] <zava> General impression was that EMU cards are quite difficult
[11:11] <zava> last year, yes
[11:11] <zava> ok
[11:11] <zava> i'll give it a try
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, good luck :)
[11:11] <Sidewinder1> 10.04 Is the LTS Long Term Service version
[11:12] <MrChrisDruif> That's true
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> But that's mostly interesting for servers, for Desktop you might as well update/fresh install every 6 months
[11:14] <Sidewinder1> Not my personal philosphy, I just want it to work without having to mess with settings, etc., every 6 months; but it's all good
[11:15] <Sidewinder1> My history: Gutsy--> Hardy--> Lucid
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> Sidewinder1; Indeed, and I use the LTS version on machines I'm not regularly on myself (Desktops and laptops of family)
[11:20] <Sidewinder1> MrChrisDruif, That's the nice part; there are options. :-)
[11:20] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[11:42] <Sidewinder1> MrChrisDruif, Actually, with all of the complaining that I've seen regarding Unity, I'm hopeing that Conical will reconcentrate back on Gnome for their future LTS releases. But in all fairness I haven't tried Unity yet; I'll need a test "box" for that.
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> Sidewinder1; It was buggy with me (buggy as in crashing the environment)
[11:59] <coalwater> my unity is kinda stable, but i hate the lack of indicators, and it acts funny sometimes, but nothing that crashes
[12:01] <MrChrisDruif> No indicators?
[12:02] <bioterror> people are so happy about unity
[12:02] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Sarcastic? ;)
[12:02] <bioterror> mmm yes
[12:03] <bioterror> and using compiz by default fails
[12:03] <bioterror> people has lots of problems with 3D drivers
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> Compiz is stable in 10.10
[12:04] <Puck`> you need the hardware for it, i'm fortunate to have unity working totally
[12:04] <bioterror> i could probably have
[12:04] <bioterror> but i dont see the benefits
[12:05] <bioterror> if i want working 3D desktop, I would go with the windows 7 aero :D
[12:07] <bioterror> oh great two rims of four are messed up in my car
[12:17] <coalwater> yea im with bioterror about compiz, i did a fresh install and yet just cuase i enabled 1 compiz plugin it took me like 30 mins of fixing just to get a unity back
[12:18] <coalwater> a lot of compiz plugins   crash unity just by being enabled
[12:19] <coalwater> not to mention that any compiz change makes unity act weird or logos disappear till a compiz --replace to get the unity to work properly
[13:21] <bioterror> coalwater ;)
[13:21] <coalwater> hey :D lol
[15:08] <UndiFineD> please help the ubuntu advertisement team by spreading this url and filling this anonymous survey, I am aiming for 12.000 responses: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw
[15:08] <Sidewinder1> Been there, done that. :-)
[15:09] <UndiFineD> yeah.. I have to promote it a bit
[15:09] <UndiFineD> so i spread it around here and there
[15:10] <Sidewinder1> As you rightly should!
[15:11] <Error404NotFound> that wasnt to painful...
[15:11] <Sidewinder1> Have you put it anywherein http://ubuntuforums.org?
[15:11] <UndiFineD> no not yet
[15:12] <UndiFineD> but feel free to do so yourself
[15:12] <Sidewinder1> UndiFineD, If you haven't, respectfully, you should; probably in The Community Cafe.
[15:43] <coalwater> can i do a cron that runs 3pm and 11:45 pm in a single line?
[15:55] <newubuntu> anyone here?
[15:56] <xardas008> sure
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> Me too..
[15:59] <newubuntu> i have a question
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> !ask
[15:59] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:02] <newubuntu> in ubuntu 10.10 whenever i used to startup ubuntu, it would autoatically connect to my wifi
[16:02] <newubuntu> but now in 11.04 when i start my ubuntu, i have to switch my wlan off, then on, then ubuntu detects it and asks for keyring and then connects
[16:03] <Error404NotFound> thats not a question its a statement
[16:03] <newubuntu> any solution?
[16:03] <xardas008> the network isn't visible?
[16:03] <xardas008> only after rebooting the wlan module?
[16:04] <newubuntu> yes it says wlan device not found
[16:05] <xardas008> ok that's strange
[16:05] <newubuntu> yup strange indeed
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Have you tried to hit it with a BFH?
[16:08] <newubuntu> whats a BFH?
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Big ***Hammer
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Just kidding... :-)
[16:09] <newubuntu> :p
[16:09] <newubuntu> any non harmful solution
[16:09] <Sidewinder1> Sad part is, sometimes it works. :-)
[16:09] <newubuntu> ok leave this problem, i can live with it
[16:09] <newubuntu> i got a bigger problem
[16:10] <newubuntu> it has happened twice or thrice since i installed ubuntu 11.04(that'd be 2 weeks ago)
[16:10] <newubuntu> the system FREEZES
[16:10] <newubuntu> just freezes for NO APPARANT REASON
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> thats 11.04 for ya
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> its not an lts
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> mine freezes too
[16:12] <Sidewinder1> I only use LTSs; Couldn't be bothered with all the messin' around every 6 mos. But that's just me.
[16:12] <newubuntu> i mean freezes for no reason,
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> so does mine...
[16:12] <newubuntu> i had no fancy stuff in the background, it just froze
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> ive had 11.04 for like 2 weeks
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> froze atleast 10 times
[16:12] <newubuntu> and it froze forever, i had to eventually reboot forcefully
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> my main problem now is blue tooth
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> initial boot it dont work i have to reboot
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> then it just works...
[16:15] <Sidewinder1> !enter | Error404NotFound
[16:15] <ubot2> Error404NotFound: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:16] <Error404NotFound> you cant change my typing practices...
[16:17] <Sidewinder1> newubuntu, Don't force; type "R-E-I-S-U-B" while holding down the Alt and Prtscreen keys waiting about two seconds between...
[16:17] <Sidewinder1> Error404NotFound, Wasn't trying to, just a suggestion. :-)
[16:18] <newubuntu> sidewinder1, i didnt get u, pelase elaborate
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> with dashes?
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> i dont have a print screen key
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> Do a search for REISUB that will explain more accurately and in more detail than I can; I'm a "peck and hunt" kinda' guy. :-)
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> so am i
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> No, no dashes.
[16:20] <holstein> newubuntu: what wifi hardware?
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> hola holstein
[16:20] <holstein> im experiencing something similar
[16:20] <newubuntu> umm, i dont know
[16:20] <holstein> which i am assuming is a regression bug
[16:20] <newubuntu> holstein, but it doesnt matter coz it wasnt a problem in 10.10
[16:21] <holstein> and might acutally be fixed
[16:21] <holstein> i havent installed 11.04 on the hardware in question
[16:21] <holstein> and ive been a little too busy to track it down properly
[16:21] <holstein> Error404NotFound: o/
[16:21] <Sidewinder1> It preserves "machine-state" and all kinds of other things that can be screwed up by a forced shut-down, such as holding the power button th show the 'puter who's really bosss.
[16:21] <holstein> Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002c (rev 01)
[16:22] <holstein> ^ thats my hardware
[16:22] <Error404NotFound> ive had problems with my wifi, usb dlink 802.11n
[16:22] <holstein> so far, any 11.04 based distro is running great live
[16:22] <holstein> til i join a wifi network
[16:22] <holstein> then, it starts to crawl
[16:22] <holstein> and lock up
[16:22] <holstein> again, if i actually installed
[16:22] <holstein> and updated the pacakges
[16:22] <holstein> packages*
[16:23] <holstein> theres probably an update to fix it
[16:23] <Error404NotFound> my wifi connected but was literally bytes per second
[16:24] <newubuntu> im actually thinking of switching back to windows
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> lame
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> go back to the lts
[16:24] <holstein> potentially easier i suppose
[16:25] <holstein> i always quote a book i have, 'how linux works'
[16:25] <holstein> nothing in linux is hiding itself from you
[16:25] <holstein> if you want to get involved
[16:25] <holstein> and help fix te problem
[16:25] <holstein> im sure that would be appreciated
[16:25] <bioterror> people is waving french flag again in here
[16:25] <holstein> but, thats quite a departure from the usual model
[16:26] <Error404NotFound> lol
[16:26] <holstein> i would give the LTS a chance live
[16:26] <holstein> or, search around for bugs relating to your specific hardware
[16:26] <bioterror> i would trylts kernel on 11.04 ;1
[16:26] <Sidewinder1> !enter > holstein
[16:26] <ubot2> holstein, please see my private message
[16:26] <holstein> bioterror: :)
[16:26] <Error404NotFound> i like the french reference
[16:27] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
[16:27] <holstein> Sidewinder1: ?
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> holstein, You're not ignoring ubot2 are you? :-)
[16:28] <holstein> Sidewinder1: i'll review the /topic, and try to be more consice
[16:29] <Sidewinder1> holstein, On a slow day like today it's not bad; but when it get busy, a "page" can fill up really quick...
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Us old farts get confused faster and faster.
[16:30] <Error404NotFound> old fart...
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> Me...
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> im old too
[16:33] <UndiFineD> 404 ?
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> im 33
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> not 404
[16:33] <MrChrisDruif> That's not old, only 10 years older then I am
[16:34] <UndiFineD> and you call yourselves old with 33 ?
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> tell me that in 10 years lol
[16:34] <bioterror> hah, old timers
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> pfft
[16:34] <UndiFineD> I still pretend to be 18
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> how old are you bioterror holstein
[16:34] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, 16!
[16:35] <holstein> Sidewinder1: i feel like !enter should be implied more prominently in the /topic
[16:35] <Error404NotFound> young punk!
[16:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, my wife is almost as old as you ;)
[16:35] <holstein> ive been her a long time, and was not aware
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> Ok, with all of the wisdom that I've aquired...What would you like to know?
[16:35] <holstein> here*
[16:35] <Error404NotFound> married at 16?
[16:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, wiki.ubuntu.com/bioterror ;)
[16:36] <Error404NotFound> ...
[16:37] <UndiFineD> !sit-still | charlie-tca
[16:37] <ubot2> Factoid 'sit-still' not found
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD; Was ;sitstill with DragonEyes
[16:37] <charlie-tca> huh
[16:37] <UndiFineD> :P
[16:38] <charlie-tca> trying to change some xchat settings requires a restart
[16:38] <UndiFineD> ah
[16:38]  * UndiFineD is Error404NotFound +1
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> who what?
[16:39] <UndiFineD> [[ UndiFineD ]]
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> 34?
[16:39] <UndiFineD> yeah
[16:45] <r4y> I was thinking of an idea. Make a program that makes the computer child proof, so that delete and move to trash don't exist unless that program is opened and the password is used and what ever else on top of that idea
[16:45] <r4y> anyways bye
[18:18] <kristian__> holstein, ping-ping
[18:19] <Sidewinder1> Pong
[18:19] <kristian__> Sidewinder1, are you holstein?
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> Standy, let me check.
[18:20] <Error404NotFound> lol
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> Standby
[18:20] <Error404NotFound> holstein:  is holstein
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> As long as holstein believes himself to be holstein.
[18:21] <kristian__> fair enough ;)
[18:43] <holstein> kristian__: lol
[18:43] <holstein> im around for a minute, whats up?
[18:43] <kristian__> holstein, private?
[18:44] <holstein> sure
[18:52] <Guest74456> I have a problem with window decorations. I can't change them from a default one. Any thoughts? I've seen others with the problem in the forums, but no solution. :(
[18:52] <xardas008> which desktop environment are you using Guest74456?
[18:53] <Guest74456> I'm on Gnome2.
[18:53] <xardas008> System -> Settings -> Appearence normally
[18:54] <Guest74456> In appearance I can change everything but the window decoration. But Emerald is not on.
[18:56] <Guest74456> Settings in Decoration plugin under Compiz say it's "gtk-window-decorator", but I can't change it.
[18:57] <Guest74456> Changing themes in Appearance does change the color of the window border, but not the border theme itself. :S
[19:06] <Guest74456> Nothing? C'mon, in the forums they have no answers, I'm running out of ideas. It doesn't affect KDE, AFAIK, but I'd prefer to use Gnome.
[19:19] <holstein> Guest74456: 10.10 ?
[19:20] <Guest74456> It started in 10.10 when I tried to activate Emerald and I got no borders at all, then went back to gtk decorator and this started. Now I'm in 11.04, but it's still the same.
[19:21] <Fvic> hi all,can anyone guide me   through bug-420918.....m new and wanted to get involved in bug triaging?
[19:27] <holstein> Guest74456: i would try making a different user account real quick
[19:27] <holstein> login
[19:27] <holstein> see if its still there
[19:27]  * holstein using enter as punctuation again...
[19:27] <holstein> i had no idea...
[19:27] <Guest74456> alright, will do. brb
[19:32] <Guest74456> holstein: I like how you think! The new user has Compiz enabled AND regular window decorations that CAN be changed!
[19:33] <holstein> Guest74456: interesting...
[19:33] <Error404NotFound> i always use enter as puncuation holstein
[19:33] <Guest74456> So it's a matter of settings? Short of reinstalling, I'll do anything to get rid of this generic window border.
[19:33] <Error404NotFound> dont feel so bad
[19:33] <holstein> i suppose that should help you track it down, in your user account
[19:34] <holstein> Guest74456: you can always start moving/renaming .config directories
[19:34] <Guest74456> Yes, that's very helpful. At least it doesn't seem to be a problem with the system.
[19:34] <Guest74456> If I were to remove the Compiz .config directory, would it create a new one on next login, or would I get BSOD or something?
[19:35] <holstein> Guest74456: shouldnt
[19:35] <holstein> but, just know how to revert, and you'll be fine
[19:35] <holstein> you can rename/move and go in from a live CD and put the backup back in place
[19:36] <holstein> *should* just make a new directory though, without issue
[19:36] <Guest74456> Alright. I'll give it a shot. Thanks a lot. :)
[19:36] <holstein> sure, anytime :)
[19:44] <JackyAlcine> Ah, removing .compiz-1 and .config/.compiz-1 would have reset a few things.
[19:44] <JackyAlcine> It's how I fixed my issue with Unity; because my config was incompatiable.
[19:47] <xardas008> after using gnome3 now for a few days, i come to the conclusion that unity is more user friendly than the new gnome desktop
[19:48] <JackyAlcine> Is GNOME3 more customizable?
[19:48] <xardas008> no
[19:48] <xardas008> and notifications are terrible
[19:49] <JackyAlcine> In that case,.
[19:49]  * JackyAlcine remains with Unity.
[19:49] <xardas008> if someone writes me in irc i won't see it
[19:49] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Please don't take my previous (actually the "bot's") advice re: the enter key too seriously. I simply wanted to point it out to you. There have been many times on the #ubuntu, when it's very busy, I have trouble keeping up if folks use enter too frequently. I'm just an old fart and am slowing down.
[19:51] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Anyone who volunteers their time as graciously as you do deserves mucho credit, I certainly did not mean to chastise.
[19:51] <Guest74456> I just erased the config file in Compiz and entered a new session. It shows things have defaulted. Now the decorator under decoration plugin is "compiz-decorator". However, the generic border is still there. What else can I erase? I looked for a "metacity" folder, just in case, but there's none.
[19:51] <Sidewinder1> I hope that you understand. :-)
[19:52] <Sidewinder1> holstein, You certainly are a gentleman and a scholar.
[19:53] <Guest74456> Oh, how about .gconf and the one next to it, .gconfd? Those looks settingy. Would it be dangerous to erase them?
[19:53] <xardas008> 20:44:19) JackyAlcine: Ah, removing .compiz-1 and .config/.compiz-1 would have reset a few things. @Guest74456
[19:55] <Guest74456> I hadn't removed the one on ~. I'll try that.
[19:56] <JackyAlcine> norm_, don't delete .gconf
[19:58] <Guest77456> Oh, wrong nick. Anyway, erasing .compiz-1 didn't do the trick. But erasing both .gconf directories fixed it!
[19:58] <Guest77456> I mean, the desktop looks like a fresh install now, I'll need to tweak it again, but the problem is fixed! :D
[19:59] <Guest77456> Thanks all who helped. This problem was really making me mad. :D
[20:51] <holstein> Sidewinder1: no worries :) ...im always learning
[20:53] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Me too; that's the beauty of it all! :-)
[21:19] <zave> anyone know the command to stop lftp from trying to reconnect?
[21:19] <bioterror> ctrl+c
[21:20] <Sidewinder1> Or kill the process in system monitor.
[21:20] <kristian__> killall ltfp
[21:20] <bioterror> or press power button for ~5 seconds
[21:21] <bioterror> right guys?
[21:22] <Sidewinder1> bioterror, You're bad.
[21:23] <zave> ctrl+c that did it, thanks
[21:23] <bioterror> np
[21:23] <xardas008> power botton is the overkill xD
[21:24] <Sidewinder1> reisub
[21:35] <head_victim> The power button is the windows solution
[21:35] <Sidewinder1> That's 'cause it's needed so often.
[21:36] <Sidewinder1> BSOD, and all...
[21:44] <xardas008> head_victim: i needed it on ubuntu too a few days ago while watching a fullhd movie, nothing reacted, no chance to do anything (keyboard + mouse dead)
[21:47] <bioterror> and it's also OS X solution
[21:54] <Error404NotFound> i love my power button
[21:54] <bioterror> mee too!
[21:54] <bioterror> I have dig that power button with screw driver from the inside of this laptop
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> lol
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> i thought i used my power button so much in windows, because it was windows
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> bad hdd ftl
[21:56] <head_victim> xardas008: ah bummer, I've only had that problem when hardware fails
[21:56] <Error404NotFound> my 1tb hdd took a dump
[21:56] <Sidewinder1> Certainly hope you guys are jokeing about the power button, right?
[21:57] <Error404NotFound> Sidewinder1:  has power button envy
[21:57] <xardas008> head_victim: i think that my external hdd was the reason for that
[21:57] <bioterror> who is joking
[21:57] <Sidewinder1> Lost mine many eons ago.
[21:57] <head_victim> xardas008: yeah mine was a usb failure as well actually
[21:57] <bioterror> i still think that killing processes for no real reason is as stupid as pressing power button for ~5secs ;)
[21:58] <Error404NotFound> nah
[21:58] <ibuclaw> well... a hardware shutdown without safely disabling all active processes can be hazardous to data. ;)
[21:58] <xardas008> i only had a movie opened so there couldn't happen too much
[21:58] <ibuclaw> mechanically, there's probably nothing to worry about.
[21:59] <Sidewinder1> On the off chance that you're not joking...The power button solution is beyond last resort. The preferred method is to hold down Shift-Alt_Printscreen and type REISUB, waiting about 3 secouns between eack letter.
[22:00] <Sidewinder1> each
[22:01] <ibuclaw> actually, my preferred method would be to get a hammer and thrash the device into a thousand pieces. ;)
[22:01] <ibuclaw> but that would require a swift replacement, so I choose not to.
[22:02] <ibuclaw> Sidewinder1, it would ultimately depend on what's gone wrong / where you are.
[22:02] <Sidewinder1> But, I'll bet you always get the last word in, with the device!
[22:03] <Error404NotFound> i use my hammer a lot
[22:04] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, 20kg calibration hammer
[22:04] <Sidewinder1> I've, in the last 4 years had very few lock-ups, but each time that I did, the above worked and didn't "bork" anything as the power button sometimes will...
[22:04] <ibuclaw> ctrl+alt+delete whilst in one of the vt's should safely reboot if the system where still in a functional state - else REISUB to ensure the safe dismounting.
[22:04] <bioterror> yeah, it sucks to wait jfs or what ever people is using to check journal status :D
[22:05] <Sidewinder1> Then, again, the BFH does have it's uses.
[22:05] <ibuclaw> bioterror, ext4 when it was first pushed into Linux was in a similar state too
[22:08] <ibuclaw> steps to reproduce:
[22:08] <ibuclaw> cp -r /usr/share/man ~/Desktop/man
[22:08] <ibuclaw> sleep 120
[22:08] <ibuclaw> echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[22:11] <ibuclaw> because of the long delay in commits the ext4 defaults had, nothing of that cp would have been written to disk by the time you forced reboot.
[22:14] <bioterror> zsh: file exists: /proc/sysrq-trigger
[22:14] <bioterror> :(
[22:18] <bioterror> good night
[22:19] <Error404NotFound> pfft
[22:19] <Error404NotFound> only 4pm
[22:20] <Sidewinder1> G'night bio...
[22:26] <Sidewinder1> The first boat my father ever bought was a Starcraft. Brings back fond memories.


[00:26] <badbugz> it doesn't hurt to have anti-virus. which one? readup avcomparatives report i guess.
[00:26] <badbugz> :)


[09:05] <popefacto> If anybody's awake in here; I'm having no luck getting 14.04 to recognize an NVIDIA G73M as an HDMI audio device. It's a fresh install and fully upgraded (even the ALSA daily as I saw suggested on some troubleshooting guide or another). It doesn't come up in lspci except as a video device. Any ideas?
[09:11] <popefacto> I should probably add that the video seems to work fine (the TV shows it as 1080p and that seems to be correct).
[09:27] <popefacto> HDA Intel Analog still works fine. The computer is an HP DV9000.
[14:32] <josquin> Hey, Everybody.  i loaded Bristol with a scala file, this morning.  That worked just fine, but the tuning is five octaves too low.  Can that be fixed or adjusted?
[15:43] <studio-user174> Tag zusammen..
[22:11] <v_Sully> Hi.


[03:38]  * dustubot is back (gone 28:03:21)
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> dustubot: Hey! The Ubuntu Developer Week is now over.
[08:06] <Tr3X> #wordpress
[08:06] <Tr3X> quit
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[00:37] <wolfger_> @nixternal: you were right about Bug 218091 being a dupe :-)
[03:11] <yuriy> evening
[03:13]  * seele waves
[03:14] <ScottK> Evening yuriy and seele.
[03:16] <Jucato> hallow yuriy, seele, ScottK
[03:17] <ScottK> Heya jucato.
[03:19]  * seele waves
[03:24]  * Jucato drowns
[03:24] <Jucato> too many aves
[03:24] <Jucato> er.. waves
[03:38]  * nixternal waves
[03:38] <nixternal> don't wanna be left out
[03:39] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!!!!!! *cough* !!!!!!!!!!
[03:39] <nixternal> omg, jcastro our picture made it to the 'front page' of Penguicon pics...sorry bout that :p
[03:40]  * nixternal makes it a new rule - no more partying like the world is ending
[03:41] <Jucato> lol!!!!!
[03:41] <Jucato> bwahah!!!
[03:41]  * Jucato tries to save the pic
[03:41] <Jucato> hahaha!! got it!!
[03:42] <Jucato> nixternal: jcastro has reddish demon eyes :)
[03:42] <nixternal> argh, and that was meant for the Michigan channel as "What happens at Penguicon, stays at Penguicon"
[03:43]  * nixternal has to figure this 'screen within a screen within a screen out'
[03:43] <nixternal> I have posted so much stuff in the wrong channels today...I was just playing some IRC game with superm1 posting the game commands in another chan
[03:44] <nixternal> I was wondering why I couldn't win
[03:44] <Jucato> hahah :)
[03:44] <Jucato> well at least you didn't give the direct link to the flickr photo in here
[03:45] <nixternal> I did that in another channel earlier trying to send it to Jorge and a mutual friend got a hold of it
[03:45] <nixternal> so it has made twitter already
[03:45] <Jucato> so I can paste it in here now :)
[03:45] <nixternal> interesting to know that quite a few of the people I met at Penguicon found my IM stuff and have been messaging me all day long
[03:46] <Jucato> haha
[03:46] <Jucato> it's hard being a celebrity :)
[03:46] <nixternal> well, if you seen some of these people from the con, you would definitely not be calling me a celebrity
[03:47] <Jucato> that's the point... I haven't seen them :P
[03:47] <nixternal> Jucato: you want a good one, look at this one -> http://picasaweb.google.com/jorge.castro/Penguicon2008/photo#5191701934041261442
[03:47] <nixternal> that will give you an idea of the type of people that were at the con
[03:48] <nixternal> just under 1,100 people present, and about 1,090 looked very similar to him
[03:48] <Jucato> oh hahaha  :)
[03:48] <nixternal> didn't you see my blog post from today yet?
[03:48] <Jucato> I don't know what's scarier... the man in the tron suit or that scary guy behind him
[03:49] <Jucato> jono's very authentic picture?
[03:49] <nixternal> ahaha ya
[03:49] <Jucato> :D
[03:49] <nixternal> he is so going to kill me, but he has some blackmail photos of me, so I had to get something out there
[03:49] <Jucato> hahah
[03:50] <nixternal> I am afraid to see the new photos that make it into his "Community" talks now after this weekend
[03:51] <Jucato> (as a side note, picasaweb finally works in Konqi 4)
[03:51] <nixternal> ya, I noticed that as well earlier :)
[03:52] <nixternal> I think the Tron guy uses Kubuntu too btw, and if you don't know who he is, he is a celebrity in the states now (how I will never know) :)
[03:52] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/search?q=tron+guy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[03:53] <Jucato> yeah I've seen him before. didn't know he was *that* famous :)
[03:54] <nixternal> ya, and then some
[03:54] <nixternal> he has been on quite a few tv shows, even south park
[03:54] <Jucato> soon you will be too :P
[03:54] <Jucato> southparked I mean
[03:56] <nixternal> haha never
[04:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ouch
[04:46] <nixternal> Jucato: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7a8s2lkr6Q  <- that is a summed up version of what the con was like
[04:47]  * Jucato buffes with anticipation
[04:47] <nixternal> nah, not to bad actually
[04:47] <nixternal> a real 'hilight' real of the entire con would be just as long as the con itself, if not much much longer
[04:48] <yuriy> heya nixternal
[04:48] <Jucato> yuriy: you're still in Chicago?
[04:48] <nixternal> wasabi yuriy
[04:48] <yuriy> Jucato: yep
[04:48] <nixternal> whoa, where at?
[04:48] <Jucato> cool! randall munroe! :)
[04:49] <yuriy> nixternal: well i'm staying at northwestern
[04:49] <nixternal> you are kidding me!
[04:49] <yuriy> but i spent all day walking around Chicago
[04:49] <nixternal> until when?
[04:49] <yuriy> and plan to do the same thing tomorrow
[04:49] <nixternal> oh, NW, not NOrthern
[04:49] <yuriy> leaving on wednesday
[04:49] <nixternal> hrmm...when on Wednesday?
[04:50] <yuriy> fairly early.. it took us 3 hours to get from O'Hare to NW, so we have to make sure to get back on time
[04:50] <nixternal> 3 hours? you must have come during rush hour
[04:50] <yuriy> yeah, pretty much
[04:50] <nixternal> I used to go to school at NW
[04:50] <yuriy> everybody from the cubs game was on our train
[04:50] <yuriy> oh, cool
[04:50] <yuriy> and then the train started smoking..
[04:50] <nixternal> ahh, you took the train
[04:51] <nixternal> oh no, you were on the train that got evacuated?
[04:51] <yuriy> nixternal: yes, what would you suggest? cab?
[04:51] <Jucato> Geeks of the world unite!!
[04:51] <Jucato> so nice when that happens :P
[04:51] <mathiaz> Hi - I'm triagging bug 158341 - which package takes care of creating samba shares in kubuntu ?
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158341 in samba "Samba is still a pain in kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158341
[04:51] <nixternal> yuriy: cab would be about $50 probably
[04:51] <nixternal> if not more
[04:51] <yuriy> yeah.. too expensive
[04:53] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you help mathiaz out?
[04:53] <nixternal> looking at the bug now
[04:53] <ScottK> Kewl.  Thanks.
[04:54] <nixternal> sounds like a valid wishlist to me...what exactly are you trying to do mathiaz with your triaging?
[04:55] <mathiaz> nixternal: it's not a samba problem - all the work on the samba side has been done
[04:55] <nixternal> don't know what all is in the pipes for KDE 4 + Samba either..haven't heard much
[04:55] <yuriy> mathiaz: the module kubuntu ships is in kdenetwork
[04:55] <mathiaz> nixternal: it's up to the kubuntu apps that takes care of creating network share to generate the correct configuration
[04:55] <yuriy> there is another samba configuration module though too which is pretty broken
[04:55] <mathiaz> yuriy: thanks
[04:56] <yuriy> nixternal: so you're back from penguicon?
[04:56] <nixternal> yup
[04:56] <nixternal> tomorrow is whicked busy for me...trying to figure a way out around that
[04:56] <nixternal> what time are you all planning to go to the city?
[04:57] <yuriy> nixternal: we're hoping to catch the rush hour purple line (is that even a good idea?) so about 10:30
[04:58] <nixternal> 10:30 would be post rush hour, which is probably best
[04:58] <yuriy> last one is supposed to be at 10am
[04:58] <nixternal> oh, I am guessing that is an express train then
[04:58] <yuriy> yeah, that's what i mean
[04:58] <nixternal> ya, at that time they aren't all that busy and much faster
[04:59] <yuriy> anyways, my friend and i are basically walking around being tourists, but i wouldn't mind meeting up for a little bit and having a kubuntu chat
[04:59] <nixternal> how long are you planning on staying downtown?
[05:00] <yuriy> nixternal: until we're too tired to walk :D though we'll probably go to a museum at some point, haven't picked one yet
[05:00] <nixternal> will you be online by chance at all tomorrow while you are out and about?
[05:00] <yuriy> nope
[05:00] <nixternal> or, I could just give you my cell number...in the morning and early noon I will be jammed
[05:02] <yuriy> so you basically live downtown?
[05:02] <nixternal> man, I am supposed to meet up with Phil Rodriguez from KDE too as he is in town...but I have hung out with him in the past, if I can catch up with you sometime tomorrow that would rock
[05:02] <nixternal> I am about 1 hour west of where you are
[05:02] <yuriy> ah
[05:02] <nixternal> southwest actually...and only an hour because the roads stink :)
[05:02] <nixternal> really only 30 miles really
[05:02] <yuriy> oh wow that's actually pretty far
[05:03] <nixternal> I live 20 miles west of the city, but I can hop on the train and be down there in less than an hour
[05:03] <yuriy> though i guess things are on a larger scale out here
[05:03] <nixternal> oh ya
[05:03] <nixternal> gotta remember the burbs of chicago go out over 60 miles from the lake front in all directions :)
[05:03] <yuriy> oh 20 miles, nvm. i'm a bit more than 20 miles from boston and driving in is not a problem at all
[05:03] <nixternal> what? boston driving is horrible :)
[05:04] <nixternal> you can risk drowning in the big dig now I guess :p
[05:04] <nixternal> I am supposed to have my DB class tomorrow evening, but that is easy enough to ditch
[05:04] <nixternal> I could always trek up to NW
[05:04] <yuriy> heh. i never had the "opportunity" to drive there while or before the big dig was going on. things have certainly improved, i'm sure
[05:05] <nixternal> to bad you weren't staying until wednesday evening or thursday morning..I will be up that way anyways as I have to take my car to the dealer
[05:05] <nixternal> I stayed in Brokton for a month, and the traffic was the worst I had ever seen
[05:05] <yuriy> yeah i was rather impressed by the roads/traffic in Chicago
[05:06] <nixternal> you got lucky then if they impressed you
[05:06] <nixternal> though they are getting better for sure
[05:06] <yuriy> well, i'm not driving, of course
[05:06] <nixternal> but right now after all of the snow, we have potholes you could swim in
[05:07] <yuriy> but i saw lake shore road wasn't moving right in the middle of rush hour, but other than that it didn't seem bad
[05:07] <nixternal> hehe, gotta love LSD
[05:07] <nixternal> Lake Shore Drive that is :)
[05:07] <yuriy> in boston all roads out for 40 miles get slowed to a crawl
[05:08] <nixternal> they can do that here as well
[05:08] <nixternal> what time is your flight on thursday?
[05:10] <yuriy> nixternal: 4:30 on wednesday
[05:10] <nixternal> 4:30 PM?
[05:11] <yuriy> yeah
[05:11] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:11] <nixternal> I could possibly come up to NW tomorrow afternoon or wednesday morning
[05:11] <nixternal> if wednesday, then I could just drive you to the airport as it would be on my way back home
[05:12] <yuriy> hmm, i'd rather just meet up in town
[05:23] <imbrandon> nixternal: ping
[05:23] <nixternal> whoa
[05:24] <imbrandon> BTW i think your browser / OS plugin is a bit off in your blog :)  i’m on Safari 3.1.1 build 525.18 , not Safari 525.18
[05:24] <imbrandon> :)
[05:53] <Tm_T> hi kids
[05:57] <Hobbsee> heya
[07:15] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[07:15] <contrast83> I was hoping someone would be able to tell me if XCB support had been removed from Kubuntu in the RC?
[08:35]  * Hobbsee ponders any reasons to stay involved with kubuntu
[08:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you OK to take over the kubuntu members kde4 ppa?
[08:44]  * Hobbsee advises people to look at the Kubuntu Devel ML
[08:47]  * Jucato looks... reads teary eyed... and sheds a (only one) tear
[08:49]  * Jucato has to step down too... form the chair...
[08:49] <Jucato> bbl :P
[08:51] <Hobbsee> awww
[08:52] <jussi01> Hobbsee: sorry, didnt look where i was
[08:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: NP
[08:52] <jussi01> so when do we get a new council member? and who can be one?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> at next meeting, i'd guess
[08:58] <Hobbsee> jussi01: kubuntu-users...you're looking at it, i presume?
[08:59] <davmor2> Riddell: Upgrade from dapper works by doing it in the same manner as though it were server
[09:01] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yes
[09:01] <Hobbsee> jussi01: cool
[09:14] <davmor2> Riddell: only flaw I've found is that Kcheckgmail's password is corrupted which I believe was held in kwallet so that's not so good.
[11:49] <Czessi> ryanakca: ping
[12:09] <ryanakca> Czessi: pong
[12:11] <Czessi> ryanakca: hi, i will inform you, that we create a completly new theme for kubuntu-de.org. to many java script an to many graphical errors
[12:11] <ryanakca> okies :)
[12:11] <Czessi> ryanakca: i send you a copy when its done
[12:12] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[12:21] <Serega> hi there
[12:21] <jpatrick> hey Serega
[12:22] <Serega> sorry, folks. looks like I'm unable to enhance gdebi-kde in time :(
[12:25] <Riddell> Serega: thanks for trying, it can always go in -updates if it gets sorted
[12:27] <Serega> Riddell: really sorry, I believe I WILL make this. Btw, how is the situation with gdebi under KDE4? maybe it is time to move to PyQt4 at all?
[12:27] <Riddell> Serega: it'll need a port to qt4 for intrepid
[12:28]  * Serega is willing to do this
[12:28] <Riddell> great
[12:32] <Serega> ah... one another thing: I have spent LOTS of time to insert a sound file to OOo impress. Solution: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugin-base. I understand we cannot add such a solid picece of GNOME-based distro to install CD, but this issue is highly disappointing even for experienced users. Maybe we should have... erm... separate builds of OOo for kubuntu?
[12:32] <Riddell> or use koffice
[12:32] <Riddell> we'll probably also look at using gstreamer phonon for intrepid, although I suspect xine will still be better
[12:32] <Serega> koffice is great but is not so cross-platform as OOo yet
[12:33] <Riddell> I expect it will be by the time koffice 2 comes out
[12:33] <Riddell> Serega: file a bug on openoffice.org-impress anyway, that's a missing dependency
[12:34] <Serega> Riddell: ok, thanks for advice
[12:34] <neversfelde|mobi> with a great new logo :)
[13:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts on updating Krusader before we release.  It builds, runs, and at least one crash bug I can't reproduce.
[13:56] <Riddell> well, it goes against all the rules
[13:56] <Riddell> but for an important package like krusader maybe we can bend them
[13:57] <ScottK> fabo suggested it and he's maintaining it in Debian and invovled upstream.
[13:57] <ScottK> It's Universe, so I can get it in with a 2nd ack, but wanted to check with you first.
[14:00] <fabo> :D
[14:00] <fabo> sorry to be late on the request
[14:08] <davmor2> hello again everyone
[14:10] <Serega> davmor2: hey
[14:11] <davmor2> hello
[15:33] <mhb> hmm, no ubuntu in this SoC?
[15:33] <Riddell> nope
[15:33] <mhb> how come I havent heard about that? Shame on you intertubes.
[15:34] <mhb> Riddell: do you know anything about it?
[15:34] <mhb> Riddell: I mean, Fedora and openSUSE are there, not sure why though.
[15:35] <ScottK> Debian too.
[15:35] <Riddell> I've no idea why Ubuntu wasn't chosen
[15:37] <mhb> oh well
[16:46] <davmor2> guys what is the compression tool in Kubuntu called please?
[16:47] <aos101> Ark I think.
[16:47] <davmor2> thanks
[16:58]  * Artemis_Fowl fixed bug #196756
[16:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196756 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor doesn't recognize AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST entries" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196756
[16:58]  * Artemis_Fowl will release soon version 0.7...
[17:27] <genii> Hello, a question about fstab which someone may know. A user had an UUID entry but no mountpoint specified, deduced it was his /  fs. If a mountpoint is not specified in fstab, will the system assume it's the /  ?
[17:30] <smarter> genii: I don't think mountpoint are optional
[17:30] <smarter> If I remove the mountpoint of my cd drive I get: "mount: mount point udf,iso9660 does not exist"
[17:31] <genii> smarter: I didn't think so either. But here's a pastebin of his fstab, as you can see, no / specified http://pastebin.com/d6251166b
[17:31] <smarter> and it works?
[17:31] <genii> Yup
[17:32] <genii> Although I had him add it
[17:32] <smarter> very strange
[17:33] <genii> If this is default behaviour, someone adds an entry above that one without a mountpoint specified, the system will think it's the / which could be problemmatic
[17:41]  * stdin adds another 4 to 5-a-day
[17:42] <stdin> although the one should be at least worth 5 on it's own
[17:42] <stdin> bug 220655, bug 220659, bug 220661 and bug 220664
[17:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220655 in kdewebdev-kde4 "Many KDE 4 packages reference KDE 3 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220655
[17:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220659 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kscreensaver-kde4 recommends kwin and kscreensaver-xsavers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220659
[17:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220661 in kdebase-runtime "kde-icons-oxygen suggests kdebase" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220661
[17:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220664 in kdesdk-kde4 "kdesdk-scripts-kde4 suggests kdelibs4-doc and qt3-doc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220664
[17:42] <jussio1> bot flood :P
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> Heh, looks like stdin has it all under control
[17:52] <genii> JontheEchidna: He's a hard worker
[17:54] <stdin> heh, I just got 26 emails from myself :p
[17:58] <seezer> genii, smarter: i guess that works via grub/initrd since they know the "/" partition already. at the time / is beeing mounted, the fstab isn't readable yet.
[17:59] <seezer> but that's just a guess
[17:59] <smarter> probably, but I thought that it will drop you to a busybox prompt
[18:00] <genii> I wonder who would know for sure if it's by design or not
[18:00] <seezer> smarter: only if the root= partition in menu.lst isn't available
[18:09] <seezer> genii: did / get mounted it's correct mountoptions from fstab or just 'defaults'?
[18:10] <genii> seezer: When I had him do: mount  it showed the fstab options for the /
[18:10] <genii> So I suspect it's by design
[18:10] <genii> (but not sure)
[18:10] <stdin> "mount" reads /etc/mtab which is handled by mount anyway
[18:11] <stdin> or /proc/mounts which the kernel handels
[19:18] <Riddell> ScottK: what happened with krusader?
[19:35] <talavis> is the source for adept manager available somewhere?
[19:44] <smarter> talavis: apt-get source adept
[19:45] <mornfall> (shameless plug: there's a new version-in-progress at: darcs get http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-3/)
[19:47] <talavis> mornfall and smarter: thanks
[20:33] <Riddell> Kubuntu CDs up for testing!
[20:34] <talavis> I just finished burning of my RC cd >.<
[20:35] <Riddell> rsync the current one
[20:37] <talavis> meaning?
[20:37] <Riddell> rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso localfile.iso
[20:37] <Riddell> where localfile is the one you already have
[20:37] <Riddell> then burn that
[20:38] <talavis> underway, thanks
[20:48] <TimS> Whats the shortcut to get the window settings dialogue up, I fullscreened a program and aren't sure how to un full screen it
[20:49] <TimS> Oops wrong tab.
[20:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm back.  I haven't got to it yet.
[20:53] <talavis> riddel: oops... I just realised a misstake on my side, my cd was alternate... guess i have to wait the final two days after all (the cd i burned crashes when choosing installation)
[20:58] <Riddell> tfdd
[21:56] <nixternal> yuriy: I will try calling you in a bit as this board meeting just will not end
[21:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Just ask slangasek to sync krusader.
[22:00] <ScottK> fabo: krusader sync requested.
[22:03] <nixternal> ScottK and Riddell: what needs to be worked on for tonight? if I meet up with yuriy instead of going to class, I shouldn't be out to late and will be able to work on some stuff tonight, and then some stuff for the rest of the week
[22:03] <ScottK> Release notes/announcements?
[22:04] <nixternal> ya, gotta start the website stuff, already on my list of things started
[22:04] <nixternal> I know somebody asked me to do something the other day while I was afk, but I can't remember
[22:05] <nixternal> may not even have been Kubuntu related
[22:10] <nixternal> hrmm, downtown at the field museum, that will be a tough one to get to at this time..no parking at the train station
[22:16]  * apachelogger should become ill less often
[22:16] <nixternal> tell me about it
[22:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: I blame all the work
[22:17] <apachelogger> btw, do we have a party plan for hardy yet?
[22:17]  * apachelogger needs to get Nightrose to do a radio show
[22:18] <Riddell> yeah, radio show
[22:18] <apachelogger> with: The Dubliners - Whiskey In The Jar
[22:18]  * apachelogger is singing
[22:21] <nixternal> oh lord
[22:21] <nixternal> I sang a little to much this weekend, of which I will never live down
[22:22] <nixternal> thankfully, unlike JR's singing, it will not make YouTube
[22:22] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: that menubar makes me shudder over and over again, awful use of space IMO
[22:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: lol
[22:22] <apachelogger> oh
[22:23] <apachelogger> Czessi: do you know a karoke bar in Berlin?
[22:23] <nixternal> dude, Jono, Mako, Mika, Milosz, and I got rickrolled in a pub of all places..the sad thing, Mako sings it perfectly :)
[22:23] <Czessi> apachelogger: no, but i can ask for that
[22:23]  * Czessi is not born to sing ;)
[22:24] <nixternal> me either, so don't feel bad
[22:24] <apachelogger> Czessi: would be cool, with all tha kubus and ks and roks
[22:24] <apachelogger> hehe
[22:25] <Czessi> apachelogger: oh, then beer is not enough  :-)
[22:25] <Czessi> for me
[22:25] <apachelogger> well
[22:26] <apachelogger> I still think a KDE beer trunk would be a good idea
[22:28] <Czessi> hm, you mean i should plan a kubuntu and kde party and search a location where you can sing karoke?
[22:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you have time to help us with sponsoring last minute uploads in #ubuntu-motu.
[22:31] <apachelogger> Czessi: would be awesome IMO
[22:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: you think Mark would sponsor that? ;-)
[22:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: sorry, gotta go to bed soon
[22:32] <ScottK> K
[22:32] <Czessi> apachelogger: ok, write it to my linuxtag list
[22:32] <Czessi> apachelogger: know you, where kde has the domicil?
[22:33] <apachelogger> Czessi: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Linuxtag2008
[22:34] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: huh?
[22:35] <Czessi> apachelogger: i know this page but there is no information if they has a holiday flat, because i will search a location between our flat and there flat
[22:35] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: at the top there is a menubar which wastes space since there is only one category with 3 items, and at the bottom there is a status bar which wastes space since there is no status information
[22:36] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: It's not used yet, so what?
[22:36] <apachelogger> Czessi: well, you could ask either Joerg or @kde-events
[22:37] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: well, what do you want to add to the menubar?
[22:37] <Czessi> apachelogger: ok, i ask at @kde-events
[22:37] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: I'm not done with the app so chill.
[22:38] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: Give me some time i have more important things to do, i already told you that.
[22:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:38] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: I just note that the menubar is pointless
[22:38] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: Right now it is.
[22:39] <apachelogger> I don't see it become any better really, it's not like that app is gonna become a desktop system ;-)
[22:39] <xRaich[o]2x> The statusbar is used in the newest revision and will be used even more.
[22:40] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: neversfelde said something about writing a doc so a i guess there will be help and i want to add some more launchpad stuff.
[22:41] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: well, just keep in mind, every item you add requires ram and time at startup
[22:41] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta go to bed
[22:41] <apachelogger> nini
[22:42] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure that you won't need a supercomputer to manage 2 more menus. ,)
[22:42] <apachelogger> xRaich[o]2x: unix, one app per task :P
[22:43] <xRaich[o]2x> It is "one task"
[22:43] <apachelogger> a launchpad center would be a seperate app ;-)
[22:43] <xRaich[o]2x> It's not a launchpad center -_-
[22:43] <apachelogger> [23:40:37] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: neversfelde said something about writing a doc so a i guess there will be help and i want to add some more launchpad stuff.
[22:43] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:43]  * apachelogger fades
[22:44] <xRaich[o]2x> apachelogger: Don't interpret stuff into everything i say ;)
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> chillax guys :)
[22:45]  * xRaich[o]2x had a hard day, and apachelogger obviously had too much coffee ^^
[22:59] <Riddell> blueyed: heck of a changelog on dbconfig-common
[23:00] <blueyed> Riddell: yes, it was shorter in the beginning (only the security/umask issue)
[23:08] <Riddell> blueyed: so why is it now longer?
[23:09] <blueyed> Riddell: new version in unstable.. it was a sync initially, but there was a regression with "purge", so I've picked the fix for that from svn. However, as long as there are no other regressions, it's nice to have all those fixes mentioned there.
[23:10] <Riddell> ok, accepted
[23:16] <blueyed> Thanks.


[01:39] <guiverc> Bashing-om, uneven double-quotes on vote-jammy-jellyfish  (no close quote/")
[01:43] <guiverc> minor comment made on next article too; on gdoc  (but I'm unsure; my english ain't good enuf)
[01:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks ! Fixing .
[01:43] <krytarik> In the same summary, I've noticed earlier "Jammy Jellyfish Wallpaper Competition" might not be best put as-is.
[01:44]  * guiverc is still reading... gots a way to go yet
[01:53] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Re-write the summary ^ to include the winner selection results ?
[01:56] <krytarik> What?  I'm a little confused now, since the voting won't be done until the 10th..
[01:58] <Bashing-om> krytarik: "Winners will be announced shortly" ,,, not sure what you require here.
[02:01]  * guiverc has finished read thru; that's ^ all I noticed; looks good Bashing-om
[02:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - done better than I anticapated :D
[02:11] <krytarik> Bashing-om: I didn't say anything of that sort..  I merely indicated that it may not be the best here to simply copypaste the "Jammy Jellyfish Wallpaper Competition" part from the forums post.. maybe write it as "Ubuntu 22.04 wallpaper contest" instead - not the least because there is also currently a Xubuntu wallpaper contest running..
[02:13] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Oh ! .. Ok I make it so :D
[02:16] <krytarik> But I guess if you want to include a reference to the announcement of the winners after the voting is completed, then you could do that as well.
[02:17] <krytarik> Maybe do that and omit the quoting of the exact closing time instead.
[02:26] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yeah - I like the better. See now how it reads to you.
[02:30] <krytarik> Well, now you made the quote look even more odd..  Also, I'd write "March 10th" and wouldn't say the winners will be uploaded someplace, but the "winning wallpapers" or similar.
[02:31] <krytarik> "Winners will be announced shortly thereafter and be uploaded to the image" - though as it turns out, both aspects are already wrong in the source..
[02:33] <krytarik> Maybe instead "put on the release image"
[02:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack :D
[02:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: Final edits ^ - set to bed now ?
[03:08]  * guiverc is happy
[15:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: The State of IoT – February 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-iot-february-2022
[20:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Firefox 98 Released, Promises to Nag Less During Downloads @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/03/firefox-98-released-promises-to-nag-less-during-downloads (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:25] <Bashing-om> UwnDay: Pulling "WIP" - log checked and no additional edits are known. Time to push 21:00 UTC.
[20:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next :D
[21:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - doing the re-directs next :D
[21:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs also completed - Pending now is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:40] <guiverc> adding UWN 725 to fridge
[21:42] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/03/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-725/
[21:45] <guiverc> posted 725 to telegram, twitter
[21:47] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check checks as good all over :D
[21:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe - rinse - repeat ?
[21:50] <guiverc> yep, scrub away !\
[21:51] <Bashing-om> doing ^ :D
[21:57] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue726 :D
[21:58] <guiverc> UWN 725 posted to fb
[21:58] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 725 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/03/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-725/


[01:59] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:59] <HedgeMage> hi, sbalneav
[02:09] <Ahmuck> quiet here today
[02:09] <Ahmuck> so launch is this evening?
[02:10] <Ahmuck> official or is it tomorrow?  UTC iirc, but i haven't sat down to figure out what UTC would be
[02:12] <Ahmuck> brb
[09:31] <Balsaq> help getting printer to print in abiword, i did do a test print
[12:40] <LaserJock> highvoltage:
[12:40] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping
[12:41] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey there, I'm just about to head off to work!
[12:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hi
[12:42] <sbalneav> I'll be on again in a bit.  Announcements going out today?
[12:42] <LaserJock> yes
[12:54] <LaserJock> stgraber: are you working on the wiki page?
[12:58] <LaserJock> WHO IS WORKING ON THE WEBSITE? :-)
[13:11] <highvoltage> sorry me
[13:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, I updated the front page paragraphs
[13:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: the banner and the Download page are all that remains I believe
[13:18] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the release isn't available quite yet right?
[13:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I don't think so
[13:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I gave slangasek the green light, but he wanted to make sure the website was ready
[13:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I think we're close
[13:19] <highvoltage> oh I thought the dependencies were the other way around
[13:19] <LaserJock> well
[13:19] <highvoltage> ok in that case I've updated the banner so long
[13:19] <LaserJock> the banner is OK
[13:20] <LaserJock> but the stuff should all be in place so that when the .iso appears everything is also ready
[13:20] <highvoltage> ah, oops ok
[13:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok, I'll put the 9.10 banner on when the image is available
[13:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I think it's real soon now
[13:23] <LaserJock> I can't even connect to cdimage.ubuntu.com :(
[13:23] <LaserJock> we really need some mirrors
[13:23] <jsgotangco> go go go!?
[13:25] <highvoltage> go go jsgotangco
[13:26] <jsgotangco> anything i can do to help :)
[13:26] <jsgotangco> but it seems everything is now covered
[13:26] <LaserJock> yep, I think we're out
[13:26] <LaserJock> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/karmic/release/dvd/
[13:26] <jsgotangco> i see it too
[13:26] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I'm going to update the release announcement with the URLs
[13:26] <highvoltage> thanks LaserJock!
[13:41] <LaserJock> we ended up a 3.3-3.4 GB
[13:43] <LaserJock> .... and we are live people!
[13:45] <highvoltage> \o/
[13:45] <highvoltage> thanks for all your hard work LaserJock
[13:46] <highvoltage> we don't say so enough but it's really appreciated
[13:46]  * highvoltage is blogging about it right now
[13:51] <jsgotangco> big hugs to LaserJock :)
[13:55]  * sbalneav gives LaserJock a big hug and a beer.
[13:55] <LaserJock> well, I'm about an hour late to work
[13:55] <LaserJock> so I better head off
[13:55] <LaserJock> :-)
[13:55] <sbalneav> go man go
[13:56] <LaserJock> you guys have an awesome release day!
[13:56] <LaserJock> good work team!
[13:59] <sbalneav> Wow
[13:59] <sbalneav> Lot of hard work in this release.
[14:00] <sbalneav> Lets hope all the people who wanted a distro are happy.
[14:06] <mhall119|work> congratulations to the whole team on the Live DVD
[14:07] <jsgotangco> congrats again, have a fun day!
[14:07]  * jsgotangco is going to sleep
[14:07] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: thanks for your motivation and encouragement as well!
[14:09] <mhall119|work> unfortunately that's about all I contributed this release
[14:09] <mhall119|work> :(
[14:10] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: Better ramp up for next one, we're loosing LaserJock.
[14:10] <sbalneav> We're all gonna have to pick up the slack.
[14:10] <mhall119|work> aw, really?
[14:10] <mhall119|work> I will have Qimo packages for the next release, I promise
[14:10] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: yep.
[14:10] <mhall119|work> I'm finishing up the 9.04 packages
[14:11] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I'd really like to get qimo packages in for 10.04, I hope that we can work together on that
[14:11] <mhall119|work> then I have to re-do my GDM theme for the new GDM in 9.10, and figure out XSplash
[14:11] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: me too, I've figured out how to make a Qimo X Session that doesn't over-ride the default XFCE settings
[14:12] <mhall119|work> also, I figured out the proper way to apply my GDM theme
[14:12] <mhall119|work> doing that the wrong way has caused upgrade problems
[14:26] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: cool
[14:47] <mhall119|work> congratulations to highvoltage on becoming a MOTU
[14:48] <highvoltage> finally \o/
[14:48] <highvoltage> next are you and sbalneav :)
[14:50] <mhall119|work> yeah, I'll probably be a while
[14:50] <mhall119|work> gotta work on my Ubuntu Membership application first
[15:44] <alkisg> Saving to: `ubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso'
[15:44] <alkisg> 100%[[15:44] <alkisg> /me wishes he had the same line at home as he has at work...
[19:20] <sudobash> the ubuntu ops are all dick heads...
[19:21] <sudobash> look who came in
[19:22] <sudobash> what are you waiting for Lorenzo?
[19:24] <sudobash> oh noooooo niko now
[19:24] <sudobash> you must be up to something LjL... like a kline?
[19:25] <sbalneav> Ummmm, something going on?
[19:25] <sbalneav> :)
[19:25] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think it was a bot
[19:26] <sbalneav> What was he/she/it doing in the other channel?
[19:26] <ikonia> do you mean sudobash by any chance ?
[19:26] <sbalneav> yeah
[19:26] <ikonia> not a bot - just a troll
[19:26] <ikonia> sorry for the disruption
[19:27] <highvoltage> oh wow, it looked so automated :)
[19:27] <sbalneav> No no, "The world is quiet here" :)
[19:27] <sbalneav> We can use the excitement
[19:27] <sbalneav> Ahhh, Lemony Snicket.
[19:27] <ikonia> edubuntu is one of the more easy channels to participate in thankfully
[19:28] <sbalneav> When we drive away in secret/You'll be a volunteer/So don't scream when we take you/"The world is quiet here"
[19:29]  * sbalneav grabs popcorn
[19:30] <sudobash> what was that for Pici?
[19:30] <sudobash> I didnt say anything
[19:34]  * jbicha wanders around looking for celebration cake
[19:48] <sudobash> ubuntu ops suck dick
[19:56] <Lns> Wow I didn't know Steve Ballmer knew how to use IRC
[20:04] <sbalneav> That was nowhere NEAR as entertaining as I wanted it to be.
[20:15] <micahg> any chance of a ppc port for edubuntu karmic?
[20:17] <sbalneav> Sure!  Just as soon as we find someone to do it :)
[20:18] <sbalneav> micahg: I think you CAN get ltsp chroots for PPX
[20:18] <sbalneav> C sorry
[20:18] <sbalneav> So you could use them as thin clients to attack an i386 edubuntu server.
[20:19] <micahg> I have an old mac laptop I was going to throw this on
[20:19] <alkisg> sbalneav: I don't think micahg is talking about ltsp...
[20:19] <micahg> no, the DVD
[20:19] <alkisg> You need less lobster :P :D
[20:20] <sbalneav> heh
[20:20] <sbalneav> yeah, in that case, no, I don't think we have an installer for PPC.
[21:07] <Meshezabeel> Is Edubuntu 9.10 a self-contained CD, or is it an add-on to Ubuntu?
[21:24] <sbalneav> Meshezabeel: Self contained DVD
[21:26] <Meshezabeel> And the CD is an add-on?
[21:26] <Meshezabeel> This is a bit confusing: "The education desktop and application bundle now installs as an add-on to a standard Ubuntu desktop. All releases prior to 8.04 now follow this format"
[21:28] <sbalneav> No, this release it's a full distro.
[21:28] <sbalneav> Where are you finding that quote?
[21:28] <Meshezabeel> Okay, thanks
[21:28] <Meshezabeel> it is on the http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted page
[21:28] <sbalneav> ok, the page hasn't been updated then.
[21:29] <Meshezabeel> but still what does it mean "prior" :)
[21:29] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Can you modify that? I don't have an account on the web page server.
[21:29] <sbalneav> Well, that's the wrong word.
[21:29] <sbalneav> Should be subsequent.
[21:29] <sbalneav> ok, heading home
[21:30] <sbalneav> I'll be on this evening.
[21:30] <Meshezabeel> thanks sbalneav
[22:08] <dgroos> Good Evening All
[22:35] <dgroos> s-l-o-w-l-y downloading edubuntu 9.10.  Looking forward to check out all your hard work.  Don't figure I'll be using it right away with my students, but I'll learn it at home.
[22:35] <dgroos> Thanks for your work!!!


[09:46] <kwwii> good morning all
[10:30] <mat_t> hi everyone
[10:44] <SiDi> hi
[20:20] <psyke83> hey
[20:21] <psyke83> kwwii: I found an issue with the gtk-button size change in the theme. I filed it as: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/400371
[20:21] <psyke83> you may want to subscribe as well
[20:22] <psyke83> it seems that the theme icon fallbacks aren't working correctly for some applications
[20:22] <SiDi> 407 photos in flickr !
[20:28] <SiDi> A few of them are really bad tho :P
[20:29] <SiDi> kwwii: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofbenni/3016432034/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork should this be in the pool ? :/
[20:34] <thorwil> sure, it's great. i'm just missing the compiz dodecahedron!!
[20:35] <thorwil> this one really embodies the spirit of ubuntu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29212301@N00/207589257/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork
[20:40] <SiDi> Circle of humans : http://www.flickr.com/photos/arghmonkey/2284729781/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork thorwil :D
[20:40] <thorwil> heh
[20:43] <thorwil> exceptional: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23890584@N08/2600640149/sizes/l/in/pool-556923@N24/  shame for the limited resolution
[21:02] <SiDi> thorwil: apparently its because non-pro accounts cant upload bigger photos :P
[21:03] <thorwil> crippr
[21:05] <thorwil> evolution is so nice to me: Error while Storing folder 'Inbox', Error while Generating message list, Error while fetching mail
[21:05] <thorwil> all at the same time
[21:05] <Lithium_Rain>  Haha
[21:05] <Lithium_Rain> at least it *works* for you
[21:05] <Lithium_Rain> :P
[21:07] <thorwil> reason for the first 2 is the system partition is full. just sucks that evolution can't just report that!
[21:07] <SiDi> thorwil: not the app's job :D
[21:08] <Lithium_Rain> Haha
[21:08] <Lithium_Rain> they don't pay it enough to care :P
[21:09] <thorwil> already freed more than 500 MB by deleting stuff in .thumbnails ...
[21:09] <mac_v> 0.0
[21:10] <Lithium_Rain> Cleaned out the temp folders, right?
[21:10] <thorwil> Lithium_Rain: no. .thumbnails is in your home dir
[21:10] <Lithium_Rain> No, I know,
[21:10] <Lithium_Rain> I mean,
[21:10] <Lithium_Rain> you've ALSO cleaned out tmp? :P
[21:11]  * Lithium_Rain isn't completely thick :D
[21:15] <thorwil> good night!


[21:05] <FiremanEd> question: Is it a safer alternative to add GNOME3 Team” team PPA without the others ie: the staging PPA or should I just wait for the 14.04 release as it comes available
[21:08] <FiremanEd> more than happy with the current release..


[00:27] <MichaelPaoli> Ubuntu Hour San Francisco, 6p-7p http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2939-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/    There's also Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting shortly thereafter and close by.
[00:27] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[00:33] <elky> out of curiosity, why the change of BAD venue?
[02:02] <MichaelPaoli> elky Bay Area Debian (BAD) meetings to by "shotgun" rules - he/she who calls the meeting picks the location.  I though I'd vary it a bit this time as BALUG is meeting again at Henry Hunan's next Tuesday, and Chevey's is conveniently close to the Ubuntu Hour location (not that BAD has to be that close, but it is convenient for those that want to go to both).
[02:05] <MichaelPaoli> elky ... uhm, typo, that's should be *go* by shotgun rules.
[03:00] <elky> MichaelPaoli: oh so it's likely to go back, cool
[03:01] <MichaelPaoli> elky ... or other locations, ... e.g. we did Debian's 21st anniversary/birthday meeting at 21st Amendment.
[03:02] <MichaelPaoli> Later all - packing it in to move to Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting ... http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/2014-November/003647.html
[03:02] <darthrobot> Title: [ANNOUNCEMENT Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting 7:15p W 2014-11-12 @ Chevys 201 3rd, SF]
[03:25] <nhaines> So I'm kind of disappointed that Canonical is backing away from Unity 8.
[03:26] <pleia2> me too
[03:27] <nhaines> I'm also kind of shocked that OMG Ubuntu wasn't all over that.
[03:27] <nhaines> Although I haven't refreshed in the past 30 minutes.  ;P
[03:28] <nhaines> On the one hand, waiting until it's ready is the right thing to do.  On the other hand, they clearly just don't have enough resources on it.
[03:28] <DonkeyHotei> so it'll never ship now?
[03:28] <nhaines> It's shipping now.
[03:28] <pleia2> I've come to appreciate how much work they do manage to get done with the limited resources they have, compared to the companies they're competing against it's miniscule
[03:29] <nhaines> But they don't plan to use it on the desktop by 16.04 LTS.
[03:29] <DonkeyHotei> in contrast, last i knew, the number of people working on kubuntu-active was: zero
[03:30] <nhaines> pleia2: I'm trying to write a book and the slipping deadlines are really annoying.  :P
[03:30] <nhaines> I'm already using Windows 10 and Yosemite for all my other OS screenshots.
[03:30] <pleia2> nhaines: tell me about it :)
[03:32] <DonkeyHotei> 10? since when is 9 released?
[03:32] <nhaines> On the bright side, Google released the factory image for Android 5.0 for hammerhead, so I wiped my phone, I'm gonna put Ubuntu on there, and then I'm done flashing my phone for the rest of the year.
[03:33] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: Windows 9 is not a thing.
[03:35] <nhaines> Mainly because programmers use "Windows 9*" as a distinguisher between Windows 3, Windows 4 (i.e., 95, 98, and ME) and Windows NT (plus 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8).  Which proves that Microsoft is more pragmatic than I am because I would have broken all of that software on principle.
[03:35] <pleia2> haha
[03:38] <nhaines> But on the other hand, Microsoft put .NET on github, so I'm okay with them not breaking everything.  They earned it.
[03:38] <pleia2> the future is weird
[03:38] <nhaines> pleia2: in today's episode of the future, Microsoft decided to attempt to stay relevant.
[03:39] <pleia2> inorite
[03:43] <nhaines> Windows 10 runs really fast on this dual-core AMD X2.  Of course, the thing as 8 GB of RAM.  But I'm still impressed.
[03:43] <nhaines> If I can figure out why the onboard graphics keeps locking up I'll be even more impressed.  But this is happening in Windows and Ubuntu.
[05:59] <ianorlin> I have seen a screenshot of windows 10 that looked like lxde
[06:03] <ianorlin> also yay launchpad let me finish reporting a bug that I started like 6 hours ago
[08:15] <nhaines> Well, I'm pretty proud of this if I do say so myself: http://i.imgur.com/fkMAjvY.png
[08:15] <darthrobot> Content type: [image/png] Size: [22469]
[08:26] <pleia2> time_travelling++
[08:26] <nhaines> pleia2: I did arcane things to the meta release file for a screenshot.
[08:27] <nhaines> On the other hand, 16.04 LTS is not likely to actually be called the "xanthy xylophone" release.
[08:28] <pleia2> :)
[08:30] <nhaines> Ooh, for the Wine section I'm going to run Windows Solitaire from XP, I think I grabbed it from.  The perfect image would have GNOME Solitaire on one side, Windows Solitaire on the other, and the caption would read "Jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right..."
[08:30] <nhaines> But if you quote song lyrics you have to license them and my book contract is very clear that's my responsibility.  :P
[08:31] <nhaines> I'll let the peanut gallery decide which Solitaire game should go on which side of the screen.


[17:19] <tgm4883> Hello California, is it ok to ask a semi-off topic question in here?
[17:26] <tgm4883> I'll take that silence as a yes
[17:26] <tgm4883> I've bet jcastro on the Oregon-Michigan state (college football) game where the loser will make a contribution to a charity in the winners state. What I'm trying to do is find a way to get others involved (cause charity and I think it would be fun). Are there any college football fans in here that would like to participate? I plan on asking some of the other
[17:26] <tgm4883> locos as well and I'm trying to match up teams
[18:53]  * pleia2 doesn't pay attention to any football
[22:05] <nhaines> tgm4883: Totally fine!  You may want to try the mailing list though.  :)


[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mzanetti, unity8-ci now runs both vivid and wily jobs for MPs against lp:unity8
[08:19] <tsdgeos> saw one
[08:19] <tsdgeos> but was all failures?
[08:19] <tsdgeos> but maybe it was conflicts
[08:19] <tsdgeos> did you put a dummy MR to test?
[08:19] <Saviq> this was a trunk-only build http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/6281/console
[08:20] <Saviq> oh, ENOSPC
[08:22] <Saviq> looks like testing wily on mako is busted
[08:22] <Saviq> qmluitests on wily timed out
[08:30] <mzanetti> Saviq, ack
[08:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, so, I wanted to push overlay to trunk, not merge (to keep history ~flat)
[08:32] <mzanetti> wfmsilo
[08:32] <mzanetti> wfm
[08:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, so I'll do that now (merge trunk into overlay - just translation updates)
[08:32] <mzanetti> not sure where that "silo" came from
[08:32] <Saviq> and push overlay into trunk
[08:32] <mzanetti> right
[08:32] <mzanetti> ok... then delete the overlay branch probably to avoid confusion
[08:33] <mzanetti> @unity: ^^   jenkins runs vivid tests on trunk now. we can kill the overlay. please merge towards trunk again now
[08:34] <mzanetti> like last time, I can resubmit already approved branches myself when building the next silo...
[08:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, which MP is still en route to overlay?
[08:34] <mzanetti> there are some...
[08:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean you said there was something in silo already
[08:34] <Saviq> or maybe I misunderstood
[08:34] <mzanetti> Saviq, sure... but some branches people started to work on in the last days/week
[08:34] <mzanetti> we just redirect them...
[08:34] <mzanetti> no prob
[08:35] <Saviq> ok, I'll do that now to get jenkins to work on them
[08:35] <Saviq> and so that I can delete overlay
[08:35] <mzanetti> yep
[08:35]  * mzanetti checks the silo list
[08:37] <Saviq> OMG LP pushes commit over when resubmitting!
[08:37] <mzanetti> Saviq,
[08:37] <mzanetti> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/359
[08:37] <mzanetti> don't delete just yet
[08:37] <mzanetti> that one is QA granted
[08:37] <Saviq> oh
[08:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, do we need to do anything to publish?
[08:42] <mzanetti> Saviq, not that I know... it's still trainguards who do that
[08:54] <tsdgeos> can someone remind me how do i run unity8 manually on the phone?
[08:54] <tsdgeos> long list of env vars required afair
[08:58] <tsdgeos> ok, not that many
[08:58] <tsdgeos> MIR_SERVER_NAME=session-0 MIR_SOCKET=/run/mir_socket QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver  /usr/bin/unity8
[09:59] <tsdgeos> i need some help here i don't understand something
[09:59] <tsdgeos> i'm stracing the unity8 process
[09:59] <tsdgeos> and this is the output of grepping for 245 in the output
[09:59] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12436814/
[09:59] <SolarNRG> Is this the place to ask questions about the unity 3d engine that is used in Kerbal Space Program in a linux environment?
[09:59] <tsdgeos> but then cat /proc/`pidof unity8`/fdinfo/245 still exists
[09:59] <tsdgeos> SolarNRG: nopes
[09:59] <tsdgeos> SolarNRG: see the topic
[10:00] <tsdgeos> so why if the last thing with 245 i have is a close(245) the fd is still there in proc?
[10:01] <tsdgeos> greyback: ↑ you did some of the fd grepping yesterday too, please can you review ↑ ¿
[10:02] <greyback> tsdgeos: lemme try
[10:04] <tsdgeos> fwiw ths strace_output comes from
[10:04] <tsdgeos> sudo strace -p `pidof unity8` &> strace_output
[10:24] <greyback> tsdgeos: I see your confusion, but I've not managed to find that happening here...
[10:24] <greyback> can you "ll /proc/`pidof unity8`/fd/245" and see if it is a file?
[10:30] <greyback> sudo  strace -e trace=desc -p `pidof unity8` 2>&1 | grep -v -P "(read|write|poll)"
[10:30] <greyback> tsdgeos: ^^ tracks just calls with file descriptors, filtering out the noisy ones
[10:33] <greyback> I'm definitely seeing an un-closed eventfd2 call every time I switch an app - exactly when shell asks to suspend it
[10:34] <greyback> tsdgeos: ted had a patch, is it built anywhere?
[10:40] <tsdgeos> greyback: yeah i wasn't asking that :D
[10:41] <tsdgeos> greyback: i was asking about what i had written above about the log
[10:41] <tsdgeos> greyback: yes ted's patch is on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-060
[10:41] <tsdgeos> and it does indeed fix that case
[10:42] <tsdgeos> but it does have some issues on killing apps
[10:42] <greyback> tsdgeos: I can't answer you, I've not managed to find it happening here
[10:42] <tsdgeos> i just can't figure out which fds are leaking
[10:42] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:42] <tsdgeos> thanks
[10:42] <greyback> sorry
[10:42] <greyback> it would be illogical for the kernel to claim an fd is open, if the app closed it
[10:43] <greyback> so I dunno
[10:49] <tsdgeos> yeah :/
[10:49] <tsdgeos> i'll reboot and try again
[11:08] <greyback_> dednick: there?
[11:09] <dednick> greyback_: yo
[11:09] <tsdgeos> dednick: ah, you set the time MR to Work in progress, why?
[11:10] <greyback_> dednick: hey, am looking at touch_tracing now. I still don't get why you need the C++ loaders for the qml, i.e. why "qmlscene" is not enough. You say it's to specify the mir socket with a "-m" switch. Is that to make it compatible with Mir's system?
[11:10] <greyback_> Mir's benchmarking system I mean
[11:14] <dednick> greyback_: yeah
[11:14] <dednick> they use the command line switches to provide socket opt
[11:15] <dednick> tsdgeos: erm. dunno. give me a sec
[11:15] <dednick> tsdgeos: changed
[11:15] <tsdgeos> oki
[11:16] <greyback_> dednick: pah, that's annoying. Means anything that we'd like to benchmark must provide that switch, which is unrealistic. Could you log a bug to get them use their MIR_SOCKET env var instead for benchmarking, and add a REMOVEME to the C++ linking to that bug
[11:16] <dednick> greyback_: sure
[11:16] <greyback_> thanks
[11:20] <dednick> greyback_: done removeme.
[11:21] <greyback_> dednick: ta
[11:25] <mzanetti> dednick, we're back to trunk
[11:25] <mzanetti> (just saw your new MP)
[11:25] <dednick> mzanetti: so no more overlay?
[11:25] <mzanetti> dednick, you really want to fix your highlight on unity
[11:25] <mzanetti> yep
[11:25] <dednick> hm. dunno why it's not working.
[11:26] <greyback_> dednick: xchat?
[11:26] <greyback_> I have the same issue
[11:26] <dednick> greyback_: hexchat
[11:26] <dednick> so probably same
[11:26] <mzanetti> right... hexchat did not do any notifications for me... that's why I threw it away
[11:27] <dednick> i get the nick highlight, just not others :/
[11:28] <dednick> tsdgeos, mzanetti: retargeted
[11:28] <mzanetti> ta
[11:32] <tsdgeos> dednick: k
[11:39] <ltinkl> dednick, could you please have a look and review https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/betterDesktopIndicators/+merge/271455 when you get a moment? tia
[11:39] <dednick> ltinkl: sure
[11:50] <ltinkl> dednick, left 2 comments in your i18n-RelativeDateTime MPs
[11:51] <dednick> ltinkl: and i've left you some :)
[11:51] <ltinkl> dednick, sure :)
[11:53] <dednick> ltinkl: i can only see one. :/
[11:53] <dednick> the i18n
[11:53] <dednick> which is done in a different branch
[11:54] <dednick> ltinkl: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/message.notification.translations/+merge/270151
[11:55] <dednick> ltinkl: might just move it to there though...
[11:56] <ltinkl> dednick, ye, either is fine with me
[12:10] <ltinkl> dednick, is that the correct link? getting 404 there
[12:11] <dednick> ltinkl: i've moved it to the other time formatting branch
[12:40] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: you realized you comented on a branch that's already been merged?
[12:41] <tsdgeos> anyone has any idea of what creates fd of type anon_inode:dmabuf ?
[12:41] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, mir?
[12:42] <tsdgeos> i mean the syscall
[12:46] <tsdgeos> maybe strace doesn't intercept those
[12:48]  * tsdgeos keeps digging
[12:54] <ltinkl> dednick, the UITK LiveTimer, is that a new thing? I can't find it on https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components/
[12:54] <dednick> ltinkl: it's new.
[12:54] <ltinkl> dednick, 1.3?
[12:54] <dednick> might only be in staging
[12:56] <dednick> ltinkl: yes, it's in 1.3
[12:56] <ltinkl> dednick, can I use that? :)
[12:56] <dednick> ltinkl: which version are you using?
[12:57] <ltinkl> dednick, 1.1 is there atm, the question is can I use 1.3?
[12:57] <dednick> mzanetti: is unity trunk using 1.3 uitk now?
[12:57] <mzanetti> dednick, no
[12:57] <ltinkl> 1.2 at most?
[12:58] <mzanetti> yes
[12:58] <dednick> mzanetti: is there any eta on 1.3 for unity8?
[12:58] <mzanetti> dednick, I keep on asking that question but noone gives an answer
[12:59] <tsdgeos> dednick: mzanetti: we have at least two regressions
[12:59] <tsdgeos> see top of description of https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/use_sdk_13/+merge/269850
[12:59] <tsdgeos> other thing is if we want to start using it selectively
[12:59] <tsdgeos> i think we do already somewhere
[12:59] <dednick> ltinkl: well i think you can target against 1.3 since we've got a bunch of other branches relying on it. when the time comes we can land them all together.
[12:59] <dednick> mzanetti:^ ? fine?
[13:00] <mzanetti> well, if you want something to get into OTA-7 for sure, better don't rely on 1.3 to land
[13:00] <mzanetti> using 1.3 might block your branch from landing until the apps update to 1.3
[13:00] <tsdgeos> so we have 2 "import Ubuntu.Components 1.3", but they are on tests/
[13:01] <ltinkl> well this is not strictly targetting any OTA
[13:01] <ltinkl> dednick, well anyway, the Timer is not a big deal there, it only runs when the indicator is open anyway
[13:02] <ltinkl> dednick, so I guess I don't really need the LiveTimer
[13:10] <dednick> ltinkl: are you sure it's only run when it's open?
[13:10] <ltinkl> dednick, yup
[13:11] <ltinkl> dednick, running: identifier == "indicator-datetime" // only run when we're open
[13:11] <dednick> yes, i see that. but don't know why that would stop it running
[13:11] <ltinkl> dednick, right, will double check
[13:11] <dednick> the items should exist if it's not open.
[13:11] <dednick> as far as i remember
[13:16] <mterry> mzanetti, overlay is finally dead then?  Shall I resubmit all my open branches?
[13:16] <mzanetti> mterry, yes :)
[13:17] <mterry> not just me, we have a lot extant
[13:17] <mzanetti> mterry, there's a conflict in the tutorial one
[13:17] <mterry> ok
[13:41] <ltinkl> dednick, ok, I changed the timer to: running: identifier == "indicator-datetime" && tzMenuItem.visible // only run when we're open
[13:41] <ltinkl> dednick, and that works, double checked with a debug output with onRunningChanged
[13:41] <ltinkl> dednick, the timer stops when the indicator popup closes
[13:43] <dednick> ltinkl: dont think there's any reason for the "identifier == "indicator-datetime"" is there ?
[13:43] <ltinkl> dednick, ye true :)
[13:45] <ltinkl> dednick, ok, addressed the issues, MP updated
[14:00] <mhall119> Trevinho: I have a question about https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MarcoTrevisan/posts/ZLWYfRMZWNGhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/+MarcoTrevisan/posts/ZLWYfRMZWNG
[14:00] <mhall119> is that a fully functional Unity 8 environment? Can you run click apps inside it?
[14:01] <Trevinho> mhall119: no, is running on desktop, so click apps aren't working
[14:02] <mhall119> Trevinho: click apps are technically installable on the desktop, is the limitation something to do with Unity8 or LXC?
[14:03] <mhall119> or is it missing some platform services/apis that apps need?
[14:03] <Trevinho> mhall119: well... I didn't try much as I was just interested in getting the shell working...
[14:14] <dandrader> mzanetti, something to keep in mind
[14:14] <dandrader> mzanetti, After rebasing mousePointer over the latest unity8
[14:14] <dandrader> mzanetti, the cursor stopped changing its shape when hovering over window borders
[14:15] <dandrader> mzanetti, and that was because your latest additions to DesktopSpread, a bunch of MouseAreas that you set to invisble or disabled when not used
[14:15] <mzanetti> mhm
[14:15] <mzanetti> I thought I did set it to invisible...
[14:15] <mzanetti> is that not enough?
[14:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, but (feels like a bug in QML), a MouseArea that is disabled but still visible (or vice versa) will block MouseAreas behind from getting hover events
[14:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, so they have to be both invisible and disabled
[14:16] <mzanetti> ah ok.
[14:16] <mzanetti> dandrader, ack, will do so. thanks
[14:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, fixed in mouseArea branch
[14:16] <mzanetti> dandrader, don't fix it... I've moved that code around alot
[14:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, and that affects only hover events, presses go through normally
[14:17] <mzanetti> basically I've moved *everything* related to the spread outside of DesktopStage, into a new file
[14:17] <mzanetti> dandrader, yes... I've seen those issues when I introduced that mousearea
[14:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, well, the fix was just a couple of "visble: enabled" entries
[14:17] <mzanetti> ok... I'll get it merged
[14:17] <mzanetti> it's just that each conflict basically gives me 2 copies of the file
[14:18] <mzanetti> because it changed the indentation of the whole file :D
[14:18] <mzanetti> as I removed one wrapping item
[14:18] <mzanetti> anyhow. ack, will pay more attention to setting them both to "off"
[14:18] <mzanetti> thanks for the heads up
[14:19] <dandrader> mzanetti,  s/mouseArea branch/mousePointer branch
[14:19] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok
[14:19] <mzanetti> yep. my braind FEC'd it :D
[14:19] <dandrader> :)
[14:30] <mzanetti> @unity: standup
[14:31] <mzanetti> dednick, special invite :)
[14:31] <mzanetti> we already found someone for the notes. you can join now
[14:32] <Saviq> lol
[14:32] <dednick> mzanetti: lol. thanks
[14:35] <dednick> what do people use for irc these days?
[14:35] <mzanetti> gnome-xchat here
[14:35] <mzanetti> used to use konversation, which I like best
[14:35] <mzanetti> but as of KDE5 it requires a QPA to work properly
[15:10] <kgunn> tsdgeos: so if you and i both confirmed that tedg's branch at least addresses fd leak in that one instance (app open + user app close)
[15:10] <kgunn> shouldn't we aim to land that fix ?
[15:10] <tsdgeos> totally
[15:11] <tsdgeos> it's an improvement already
[15:23] <greyback_> dednick: found deployment issue with https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/touch_tracing/+merge/267083
[15:32] <dednick> greyback_: doh. ok thanks.
[15:33] <greyback_> dednick: other than that, I think it's good to go
[15:46] <dednick> greyback_: how did you install?
[15:47] <greyback_> dednick: built packages in my armhf schroot, copied to device and installed
[15:49] <Saviq> \o/
[15:59] <mhall119> Trevinho: trying to run mir_demo_server according to your G+ post, I get:
[15:59] <mhall119> ERROR: /build/buildd/mir-0.12.1+15.04.20150324/src/common/sharedlibrary/shared_library.cpp(33): Throw in function mir::SharedLibrary::SharedLibrary(const char*)
[15:59] <mhall119> Dynamic exception type: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorISt13runtime_errorEEEE
[15:59] <mhall119> std::exception::what: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mir/server-platform/server-mesa-x11.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3mir6events10make_eventExNSt6chrono8durationIxSt5ratioILx1ELx1000000000EEEEj16MirPointerActionjffff
[15:59] <mhall119> I'm installing it on vivid from the citrain stable-phone-overlay PPA
[16:00] <Trevinho> mhall119: mhmh.... Weird
[16:00] <Trevinho> mhall119: I've compiled everything from trunk
[16:00] <mhall119> maybe it's not in the PPA yet then
[16:00] <Trevinho> mhall119: it seems that soemthing needs to be compiled though as make_event got an API change I think
[16:01] <Trevinho> mhall119: I can provide a raw deb-src for you btw
[16:01] <Trevinho> mhall119: as I've also done a rebase on the wily version
[16:01] <mhall119> I only have server-mesa-x11.so.4 while your example uses .so.5
[16:01] <mhall119> Trevinho: sure, I'm willing to give compiling a try
[16:01] <Trevinho> mhall119: yeah, from wily is .4 anyway
[16:01] <Trevinho> so, let me do that
[16:14] <Trevinho> mhall119: sorry for the delay https://transfer.sh/FuIAh/mir-0.15.1-15.10.20150903-0ubuntu1-x11-backend1.tar.gz
[16:15] <popey> Trevinho: have you seen bug 1496414 ?
[16:15] <Trevinho> popey: yeah... it's quite tricky, though
[16:15] <popey> :(
[16:15] <Trevinho> popey: as unity uses Alt for showing menus
[16:15] <Trevinho> so, probably it's better to fix the screenshotter
[16:15] <popey> any chance we can tweak the timing?
[16:15] <popey> of how quickly the title bar changes?
[16:16] <Trevinho> popey let me check I think there's a flag, but maybe it's private
[16:16] <Trevinho> i.e. hardcoded :/
[16:16] <popey> not sure how we could fix the screenshot tool other than force it to be delayed
[16:16] <Trevinho> popey: however.... if you're really quick in pressing the keys you can avoid the blurred thing to show :)
[16:16] <popey> which is a bit mad, because if I press alt+prtscr I want a screenshot now, not later
[16:16] <Trevinho> popey: yeah, delay is the only thing I've in mind
[16:17] <popey> also, that will affect other desktops which use the same screenshot tool
[16:17] <popey> the bug is ours, not theirs
[16:17] <Trevinho> sure
[16:22] <Trevinho> popey: mh, so it's hardcoded to 180ms... We can easily add a setting for that
[16:22] <popey> yay
[16:28] <mhall119> Trevinho: thanks, compiling now
[16:28] <mhall119> Trevinho: do I have to install the built .deb or can I try doing this from the local build dir?
[16:31] <Trevinho> mhall119: I didn't build the debs, I installed that in a temporary install prefix (you can use something like https://gist.github.com/3v1n0/c270e6583a22845e067f to easily add one)...
[16:55]  * popey hugs Trevinho
[16:55] <Trevinho> :)
[16:58] <mhall119> Trevinho: wow, this takes forever to build
[16:59] <Trevinho> mhall119: no.. just disable test and android stuff
[16:59] <mhall119> how?
[16:59] <Trevinho> mhall119: I don't have the cmake command handy, but use cmake-gui and set to build only mesa-kms (if you want) and mesa-x11, then look for tests options and disable them
[17:01] <mhall119> oh man, where has cmake-gui been all my life?
[17:05] <davmor2> mhall119: in the repo?
[17:05] <mhall119> davmor2: ?
[17:05] <davmor2> mhall119: guessing at where cmake-gui had been all your life :)
[17:32] <popey> andyrock: thanks for the link on bug 1421575 - am building unity locally to test
[17:33] <andyrock> let me know it it helps
[17:49] <popey> andyrock: promising!
[17:50] <popey> andyrock: I monkeyed around with display resolution, switched monitors on and off and no corruption
[17:50] <andyrock> well keep testing it
[17:50] <popey> ya
[17:50] <andyrock> thanks!!
[17:50] <popey> np
[17:51] <popey> do i need any package other than unity, out of the ones I build?
[17:51] <popey> I figured I dont need all the unity2d ones.
[21:06] <Trevinho> popey: I would have prepared a silo for some hours now, if we weren't just out of them :(