[00:18] <TheMuso> c
[00:21] <crimsun> TheMuso: nice team for audio now
[00:22] <TheMuso> crimsun: indeed
[05:32] <pitti> Good morning
[05:33] <kklimonda> good morning
[05:35] <TheMuso> Morning pitti. Still getting used to you being around at this time.
[05:35] <pitti> TheMuso: so am I :)
[05:37] <RAOF> Morning pitti.
[05:37] <pitti> hey RAOF
[06:17] <rickspencer3> Hey pitti RAOF TheMuso
[06:17] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:17] <TheMuso> Hey rickspencer3.
[06:17] <pitti> burning the midnight oil?
[06:17] <rickspencer3> pitti, nah, just finishing up some packing
[06:17] <rickspencer3> and going to bed
[06:17] <rickspencer3> looong day tomorrow
[06:18] <pitti> rickspencer3: ah, you're leaving early tomorrow?
[06:18] <rickspencer3> pitti, not really
[06:18] <rickspencer3> flight is 12h50
[06:18] <pitti> rickspencer3: hm, going eastwards rather means it's pretty short? :-)
[06:18] <rickspencer3> if you count it that way, yeah
[06:18] <rickspencer3> I think it's loong because it goes form tomorrow am in Seattle to Friday night in Amsterdam ;)
[06:18] <RAOF> :)
[06:19] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, word on the street seems to be that upgrades are going ok
[06:19] <rickspencer3> what have you heard?
[06:19] <pitti> nothing really about upgrades, it's pretty quiet
[06:19] <rickspencer3> is it quiet
[06:19]  * pitti is currently wading through reviewing the 44 SRUs that already piled up :)
[06:19] <rickspencer3> or
[06:20] <rickspencer3> quiet ... too quiet
[06:20] <rickspencer3> ?
[06:20] <rickspencer3> 44 SRUs, oh my
[06:20] <pitti> pleasingly quiet :)
[06:20] <rickspencer3> and they can't wait until 10.04.1
[06:20] <rickspencer3> ?
[06:20] <rickspencer3> pitti is nice, and not leaving them all for seb128 :)
[06:21] <pitti> how do you mean?
[06:21] <pitti> they will go into 10.04.1, of course
[06:21] <pitti> but we can accept them now, so we should :)
[06:21] <rickspencer3> pitti,ok
[06:22] <rickspencer3> I don't know how you plan to handle releasing SRUs now, versus waiting for 10.04.1
[06:22] <rickspencer3> I know sometimes you fix serious issues with an SRU before the release is even out
[06:22] <pitti> rickspencer3: 10.04.1 is nothing special wrt. SRUs
[06:23] <pitti> it just bundles up the changes that we did to -updates and -security so far and builds new images
[06:23] <rickspencer3> oh, I see
[06:24] <rickspencer3> I thought there would be maybe a bit more leniency for SRU criteria for 10.04.1, and also perhaps less urgency for SRUs before then
[06:24] <TheMuso> And afaik helps a little with hardware enablement with the installer.
[06:24] <pitti> rickspencer3: leniency> we are for LTSes, yes
[06:24]  * rickspencer3 chalks up another thing learned about Ubuntu
[06:24] <pitti> we allow more "polish" type SRUs
[06:24] <rickspencer3> kewl
[06:25] <pitti> but if we have a fix for a bug, it can go to -proposed and then to -updates
[06:25] <rickspencer3> that makes sense
[06:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: the longer we wait, the smaller is the chance that it'll hit -updates soon enough to get into the next point release
[06:25] <rickspencer3> maybe as your last think as tech lead for Lucid, you can talk me through it at UDS
[06:25] <rickspencer3> ;)
[06:26] <pitti> I'm happy to
[06:26] <rickspencer3> everything you say makes sense, naturally ;)
[06:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, I'll be back in about 8 hours, ttyt
[06:27] <rickspencer3> g'night TheMuso, RAOF, robert_ancell
[06:27] <pitti> rickspencer3: sleep well, and safe travels!
[06:27] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: gnight
[06:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, I hope we chat in (my) morning, so you can tell me that everything is still nice and quiet :)
[06:30] <RAOF> rickspencer3: good night
[06:31] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, bye
[07:47]  * pitti -> off for an hour of running and breakfast
[08:37] <pitti> re
[08:38] <didrocks> good morning
[08:39] <RAOF> good morning didrocks
[08:40] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: did you sleep well?
[08:41] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[08:42] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, yeah, hard to find some sleep yesterday but hard to wake up too :) I think that I'll be perfectly retablished tomorrow :)
[08:43] <pitti> didrocks: good to hear
[08:43]  * pitti goes on banging hard on the lucid-proposed queue
[08:45] <didrocks> pitti: good luck ;)
[08:47] <didrocks> pitti: oh, before I forgot, tomorrow morning, they will cut the power for the building from 9am to 11am. So, I'll be there a little bit late
[08:47] <pitti> didrocks: np; it's the day after release, don't worry about slacking :)
[08:48]  * didrocks notes down in his agenda "can be a slacker tomorrow"
[08:49] <pitti> robert_ancell, didrocks: I'll reject your two gedit uploads and reupload with a fixed -v, FYI
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: what did I do wrong?
[08:50] <pitti> didrocks: nothing, but robert_ancell uploaded a newer version on top without -v
[08:51] <pitti> (and no bug refs)
[08:51] <robert_ancell> -v?
[08:51] <didrocks> oh, ok, just grabbed the branch now
[08:51] <pitti> bzr bd -S -- -v2.30.0git20100413-0ubuntu1
[08:51] <pitti> robert_ancell: -v<last version in final or updates>
[08:51] <pitti> robert_ancell: so that the source.changes contains all relevant changelog entries for -proposed
[08:52] <robert_ancell> pitti, oh, didn't know about that
[08:52] <pitti> it's an idiosyncracy of how we track SRU changes and verification
[08:56] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:56] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[08:56] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:56] <pitti> bonjour seb128! comment vas-tu?
[08:56] <pitti> happy release day!
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, très bien merci, et toi ?
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, to you too ;-)
[08:56] <seb128> didrocks, ca va mieux ?
[08:56] <pitti> seb128: je sui beien
[08:56] <pitti> bien
[08:57] <didrocks> seb128: bien mieux, merci, encore le nez un peu pris et des éternuements, mais demain, ça devrait être passé :)
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks, ok, bien ;-)
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks, robert_ancell: you guys duplicated work? or did robert_ancell did extra changes to gedit?
[08:57] <pitti> extra changes
[08:58] <seb128> ok
[08:58] <pitti> didrocks -> .1, robert -> .2
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, you want to check things you sru
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: working from bzr helps :)
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, file-roller 2.30.1 is useless and there is a <IP_ADDRESS> with a bug fix though
[08:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey
[08:58] <pitti> don't worry, it was zero effort; bzr bd -S, dput, done
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: oh, should I reject it then?\
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, same for eog there is no code change there since we don't use libjpeg8
[08:59] <robert_ancell> have to go, be back in a while...
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, well I'm not decided how useful it is to do update to import translations update only
[08:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, have fun
[08:59] <didrocks> seb128: robert_ancell I'm on file-roller <IP_ADDRESS> btw
[08:59] <didrocks> enjoy robert_ancell
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, you can block file-roller until didrocks does the newest update
[08:59] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: if file-roller 2.30.1 only updates translations, and we're going to have an .1.2 anyway, we can reject it
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, ok, do it ;-)
[09:00] <pitti> right, I will, since it doesn't refer to a bug anyway
[09:00] <pitti> robert_ancell: ^ needed for tracking verificatin
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, that's why I didn't upload 2.30.1 yesterday ;)
[09:01] <seb128> waouh, reading lucid-changes
[09:01] <seb128> sru goes through already today ;-)
[09:03]  * pitti bows
[09:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: rejecting seahorse, needs a bug ref for tracking verification
[09:04] <pitti> robert_ancell: please add one and reupload (same version number)
[09:05] <pitti> robert_ancell: gucharmap -> same problem, and changelog should list the changes
[09:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: eog> dito
[09:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: brasero/gnome-games, too
[09:07] <pitti> sorry
[09:18] <kklimonda> pitti: what's the procedure if, while a package is still in -proposed, a new sru has to be prepared ?
[09:18] <pitti> kklimonda: for being able to sensibly test, it's best to avoid this in the first place
[09:19] <pitti> kklimonda: if you need to, please upload the newer one with -v<last version in final or updates>, so that the source.changes contains all versions currently being in -proposed
[09:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, pitti: quite some of those have no code change interesting for ubuntu (like 1 fix in a library or option we don't use), do we want to do such updates for translations only?
[09:20] <seb128> or cleaning gtk apis used to be current ones
[09:20] <seb128> which we don't really care since the current versions build on lucid
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: translations are relatively interesting, although we could of course also upload them manually (more effort, though)
[09:21] <seb128> we need what danilo blogged about to be working ;-)
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> hello everyone
[09:40] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[09:41] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm feeling better than the last days, thanks ;) you?
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too bad thanks
[09:41] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you too?
[09:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great
[09:42] <pitti> I think I'm getting used to getting up at 6 :)
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> heh, i struggle to get up that early ;)
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> i go to bed too late
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> so, is everyone excited for the release today?
[09:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I have to, since my wife does (and also goes to bed at 22:30)
[09:46] <pitti> and we just have one room here in Munich
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti: I checked about the bug #544639 and I can say the bug is fixed, what should I do, readd the tag verification-needed and drop a comment?
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: oh, please do (and ask the reporter for further information)
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: v-failed just means that the bug will stay open once it goes to -updates
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: if an update actually breaks stuff, it'll be tagged regression-proposed
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: I rejected empathy, see bug 566909
[09:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, you have some inputs from upstream there
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: just responded
[09:51]  * pitti grumbles about the design team
[09:51] <seb128> what? changing the default?
[09:51] <pitti> do they always talk to people who don't listen? ...
[09:51] <seb128> we should not do that in a sru
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: right, that's why I rejected the package
[09:51] <hyperair> pitti: what do you mean?
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: (FWIW, we shouldn't do it at all, but for maverick for my sake; but in lucid, over my dead body)
[09:52] <pitti> hyperair: talking to offline contacts :)
[09:52] <hyperair> lol
[09:52]  * didrocks likes talking to offline contacts, they alway agree with me ;)
[09:52] <didrocks> always*
[09:52] <pitti> when I press ctrl+H I have four screenfuls of contacts
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, I've no strong opinion against try, out of the knee-jerk reaction that I hate having offline contacts listed and I don't see the point for those
[09:52] <pitti> many of them are ancient and probably disabled long ago
[09:53] <seb128> same here
[09:53] <pitti> seb128: right, but not in a lucid SRU
[09:53] <seb128> that for sure
[09:53] <seb128> no such crazy behaviour change in a stable version
[09:54] <Zdra> seb128, note that change was made upstream on the request of ubuntu's usability tests ;)
[09:55] <Zdra> seb128, I agree with that change for new users, but indeed it's a not good for users already using empathy
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> urgh, offline contacts shown by default? how is that good from a usability perspective?
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i've got contacts i haven't touched in years
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i should probably just delete them ;)
[09:57] <didrocks> Zdra: you was talking about an hack like "consider the key to show offline key if less than 10 contacts" for instance. Seems reasonable for next release
[09:57] <didrocks> but yeah, if you have more than few contacts, doesn't make sense :/
[09:58] <cassidy> didrocks, that's bong, we have to provide a coherent experience. Why display it if you have 10 contacts but not 11 ?
[09:58] <Zdra> didrocks, IMO that would be good, yes... feel free to open upstream bug and attach patch ;)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> i just tried turning on offline contacts, and it makes it more difficult to navigate to the online contacts
[09:58] <cassidy> imagine doc or an user trying to explain something to another one if they don't experience the same behaviour...
[09:58] <didrocks> cassidy: always the issue of limits right, but why cluttering the GUI for people having 50+ contacts ? ;)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> (yes, they float to the top of the contact groups, but that doesn't help when you have more than a couple of groups)
[09:58] <Zdra> chrisccoulson, it is really for people new to IM world that have just a few contacts
[09:59] <cassidy> didrocks, it's easier for an user to think "Wow, too many contacts, how can I hide them?" than "Humm maybe there is an option to display offline ones"
[09:59] <Zdra> chrisccoulson, like I create a gmail account for my mother and tell her to add my contact, if she does it when i'm offline, her contact list will stay empty and will wonder what's going on
[09:59] <cassidy> anyway, we already had this discussion and agreed that displaying offline contacts was easier for new comers. Old users can just disable them in one click
[10:00] <Zdra> chrisccoulson, my mother story is true story ;)
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> Zdra - ok, that does make sense
[10:00] <Zdra> cassidy, maybe s/10/1/
[10:01] <Zdra> cassidy, just to force contact list to not be empty ?
[10:01] <Zdra> well, of course we can always find cases where it will look weird
[10:01] <cassidy> no, that's stupid. I'm pretty convinced displaying by default is the good thing to do. That will maybe annoy existing users but that's gconf's fault and, well, fuck them, they can click on one menu entry
[10:05] <seb128> cassidy, that was maybe true before facebook users
[10:05] <seb128> now anybody start with some hundred contacts
[10:05] <seb128> or any facebook user which seems to be an increasing number of users
[10:06] <seb128> in any case behaviour changes should not happen in stable series
[10:06] <cassidy> I think making user click the "show offline" option is worth it because a) User is now aware of this option b) Simple user (such as Zdra's mom) are not confused by seeing an empty contact list
[10:06] <seb128> let's see how it goes next cycle rather
[10:06] <cassidy> we can't win on all fronts
[10:07] <seb128> the debian guys put in well, stable means it should behave in a consistant way
[10:07] <seb128> not only stable in the sense of the changes landing there
[10:07] <cassidy> oh, I'm not advocating to make the change in Lucid
[10:08] <cassidy> I just feel kinda frustrated to have done this change based on Cannonical's input and see that it's not used by Ubuntu :)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have you seen bug 568926?
[10:09] <pitti> we don't enable that in lucid
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i wasn't sure if that was the case or not
[10:10] <pitti> it's still too new, and a potential securiry/wreck your machine nightmare
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> i just tried connecting to my desktop with palimpsest and got a confusing error
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> we probably should have turned off the menu entry :(
[10:10] <pitti> we can do so in an SRU, for sure
[10:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: OTOH you might connect from a lucid client to a maverick server :)
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> is the support missing on the server, or client?
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i was going to ask ;)
[10:11] <pitti> or, even if we enable it, it's still probable that the remote server just has that disabled
[10:11] <pitti> so maybe it doesn't actually make sense to disable the menu item
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, true
[10:13] <staz> so the proper way to fix it would be better error reporting
[10:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I add a gdu task for improving the error message
[10:13] <pitti> staz: heh, exactly :)
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can't work out whether the binary is used on the client (by g-d-u), or the server (by udisks)
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> do you know?
[10:14] <pitti> I don't right now, sorry; I have never tried this so far
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've got a feeling it might be the client, in which case, there's probably not much security benefit from not including it is there?
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> when i tried to connect to my desktop, i got some hard-drive activity at the point i tried to connect
[10:15] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> (but i don't know if that was coincedence or not)
[10:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: there's still the "untested feature" aspect, though
[10:16] <pitti> it was added upstream after FF
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i didn't realise that
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> right, i have a few errands this morning, so i will be away for a little bit
[11:06] <milanbv> is it known that gdm debug symbols aren't available on i386 for 2.30? how can one debug crashes?
[11:15] <rodrigo_> hmm, which package should I assign this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/529714) to? libc6 seems to be where nss stuff is, right?
[11:16] <james_w> rodrigo_: yes, but that doesn't mean it is a libc6 bug
[11:17] <rodrigo_> btw, it crashes only if wins is enabled in /etc/nsswitch.conf
[11:17] <rodrigo_> james_w, right, hence my question :-)
[11:17] <james_w> right, now I look at the bug, it seems like it might be :-)
[11:18] <james_w> could be a glib/gio bug
[11:18] <seb128_> winbind
[11:18] <seb128_> I would say
[11:19] <seb128_> since it's crashing in libnss_wins.so.2
[11:19] <rodrigo_> seb128_, ok, so assigning it to winbind then
[11:20] <rodrigo_> hmm, no package of that name
[11:20] <pitti> didrocks: empathy> merci
[11:20]  * rodrigo_ searches
[11:20] <seb128_> rodrigo_, samba
[11:20] <seb128_> it's comming from the samba source
[11:20] <rodrigo_> ah
[11:20] <didrocks> pitti: I didn't upload yet. I have an issue with no more indicator integration that I didn't have yesterday. I'm making further testing before pushing
[11:21] <didrocks> (first, rebuilding older version)
[11:21] <pitti> didrocks: ah, thanks
[11:21] <james_w> https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5904 looks relevant
[11:21] <seb128_> bug #369274 seems similar
[11:21] <rodrigo_> seb128_, hmm, I think I marked it as duplicate yesterday
[11:22]  * rodrigo_ looks
[11:22] <rodrigo_> ah, no, not that one
[11:22] <rodrigo_> oh, it's from jaunty
[11:23] <seb128_> it's not new right
[11:36] <didrocks> pitti: let me respawn an autoreconf apparently for file-roller. I need to bump the version, right?
[11:36] <pitti> didrocks: argh; yes, I just accepted it, so new version
[11:37] <didrocks> pitti: do I need to reopen a bug + debdiff and so on, or just add to existing one?
[11:37]  * didrocks updates his pbuilder this time
[11:41] <pitti> didrocks: use the existing one, it's fine
[11:41] <didrocks> ok, thanks :)
[11:44] <pitti> didrocks: just ensure that you either re-use the same changelog record and bump the version, or use a new one and build with -v
[11:44] <didrocks> pitti: sure, thanks
[11:47] <maxb> Hi, I need some help in figuring out what package to blame for the bug of the checkmarks in context menus showing up as white-on-grey
[12:44] <seb128> re
[12:45] <seb128> pitti, so new isos to test again today?
[12:45] <seb128> maxb, could you give details on the theme you are using and the context menu you get the issue in?
[12:46] <maxb> seb128: every menu, and I'm not aware of having customized my theme, but I'll look it up now
[12:46] <ogra> seb128, yes, for bug 570765
[12:46] <seb128> ogra, ok
[12:47] <maxb> As an example, look at the little blob next to "Only on This Workspace" when you right-click a title-bar
[12:47] <seb128> what theme do you use?
[12:47] <maxb> Human
[12:47] <seb128> what ubuntu version?
[12:47] <maxb> uptodate lucid
[12:47] <seb128> ok, let me try that, it's an outdated legacy theme
[12:48] <seb128> bah it's not even installed on lucid
[12:48] <maxb> Oh. What am I supposed to be using, then?
[12:48] <seb128> one of the new themes, ambiance is the default one
[12:49] <maxb> whoa, that's.... different
[12:49] <seb128> indeed ;-)
[12:49] <seb128> there is a light one too if you prefer those
[12:50] <maxb> hrm
[12:50] <maxb> Well, I hate it, but at least I have a better idea why the Human-theme context menus are broken
[12:50] <maxb> so thanks for that :-)
[12:50] <seb128> why do you hate it?
[12:51] <seb128> it's a theme bug anyway on the light theme the check mark are not white
[12:51] <seb128> so if you open a bug open if on the human theme
[12:51] <maxb> The light theme? How does that interact with the human theme?
[12:52] <seb128> ?
[12:52] <seb128> it's a theme like human
[12:52] <seb128> it's called radiance in the theme capplet
[12:52] <seb128> try this one if you don't like the default one
[12:52] <seb128> those are the new lucid themes
 it's a theme bug anyway on the light theme the check mark are not white
 so if you open a bug open if on the human theme
[12:52] <maxb> ^ I'm trying to understand the relationship between those two lines
[12:53] <seb128> well the theme define the color for those
[12:53] <seb128> not all theme have the issue you describe
[12:53] <seb128> so it's a bug in human
[12:53] <maxb> right. I shall file.
[12:54] <maxb> Is there something that's supposed to transition upgrading users to the new themes, that I've missed by upgrading back in the alpha days?
[12:57] <seb128> maxb, no, user settings are respected on upgrade
[12:57] <seb128> maxb, you would get the new theme if you never changed the one you use
[12:58] <seb128> maxb, you likely switched to something else and back to human one day, which wrote human as an user choise
[12:58] <maxb> That makes sense. thanks
[12:58] <seb128> we have a blueprint about better handling those cases for next cycle
[12:58] <seb128> ie users changing and getting back to the default
[13:03]  * ajmitch still had clearlooks set until an hour or so ago
[13:03] <ajmitch> ambiance is quite a change from that
[13:04]  * soren likes ambiance
[13:04]  * ajmitch prefers radiance on the laptop, but they're both quite good
[13:06] <maxb> my biggest complaint is that they are too-low-constrast in many places such as the task bar and inactive window decorations
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, several people have reported now that they end up with gnome-screensaver running twice in their session
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> i wonder how to track that one down :-/
[13:24] <pitti> seb128: yes :-/
[13:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "now" -> recent regression? or since upgrade from karmic?
[13:49] <seb128> I guess it's since lucid but not really new since there has been no recent change
[13:49] <seb128> could be a race in the dbus activation change or something
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - since upgrade from karmic (bug 556255), reported on 6th april, but now multiple people seem to have the same issue
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> i thought maybe a race due to being activated by something in the session starting when gnome-session normally starts gnome-screensaver, but i can't see any obvious race yet which would allow 2 instances to run
[13:51] <didrocks> seb128: I think I'm stuck at the empathy upgrade. 2.30.1-0ubuntu1 (not released) is using the indicator, but I can't have it using it with 2.30.1. configure phase is saying me "using libindicate: true" and I tried to revert each commit in trunk without any success. Do you have any clue for debugging?
[13:52] <seb128> didrocks, I don't understand the question
[13:53] <didrocks> seb128: with 2.30.1-0ubuntu1, I can't get empathy using the indicators (it's fallbacking to the notification area)
[13:53] <seb128> didrocks, it's using the indicator but the same version can't use the indicator?!
[13:53] <seb128> hum
[13:53] <didrocks> oupsss, it was a wrong copy and paste
[13:53] <didrocks> <IP_ADDRESS> was working with the indicators
[13:53] <seb128> but it works with <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:54] <didrocks> right (it was the first that I should have written in the initial sentence)
[13:54] <seb128> do you get any error if you run empathy on the command line?
[13:54] <seb128> is the preference option doing anything when you click on it?
[13:55] <didrocks> no error on the command line
[13:55] <didrocks> but the preference option (didn't know it) is not enabled
[13:56] <seb128> does it work if you enable it?
[13:56] <didrocks> yes
[13:56] <didrocks> so ok, the issue is something was a modified path, can work on that
[13:56] <seb128> try with a guest session to make sure it's not an user config issue?
[13:56] <seb128> well that change is an ubuntu one
[13:56] <didrocks> well, can try that too :)
[13:56] <seb128> it's weird the path would have changed
[13:57] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but some paths changed (normally it was already in <IP_ADDRESS>) to fix the "not picking some gconf settings", maybe it's an impact
[13:57] <didrocks> but I didn't know this preference dialog, that will help me, thanks :)
[13:58] <didrocks> ok, same thing in guest session, investigating
[14:03] <pitti> new desktop ISOs, please rsync/test
[14:03]  * kenvandine tests
[14:05] <seb128> pitti, I was just going to ask about those ;-)
[14:13] <didrocks> hum, I wonder if schemas is still updated by schemas.in (as our value doesn't exist in empathy schema in the last version)
[14:14] <didrocks> ok, I suck… think I found it…
[14:14] <seb128> ?
[14:15] <seb128> you changed the wrong file on a patch update?
[14:15] <seb128> ie an autogenerated one and not the source?
[14:16] <didrocks> seb128: I patch the .schema file for the "hide offline user" thing. My guess is the target then is most recent that the source (the schemas.in file). So, our previous patch which add the indicator key to the schema.in isn't taken into account
[14:16] <didrocks> s/most/more
[14:16] <didrocks> s/that/than
[14:17] <seb128> didrocks, changing the schemas it not the right way
[14:17] <seb128> you should add a .gconf-defaults line fo rit
[14:18] <didrocks> seb128: even for reverting an upstream change? (I mean, I thought we will revert it in next release)
[14:18] <seb128> gconf-defaults has been made to let the upstream schema in the upstream way and have a distro layout for distro changes
[14:18] <seb128> we will drop the .gconf-defaults line then
[14:19] <seb128> we designed that exactly for this usecase
[14:19] <didrocks> seb128: well, we added the indicator key in the schema (ok… it's not tweaking an upstream value)
[14:19] <seb128> changing a key without changing the schemas
[14:19] <didrocks> ok, can do that :)
[14:19] <seb128> well if you had a key and want descriptions you need to change the schemas
[14:19] <seb128> gconf-defaults doesn't allow to set key descriptions
[14:19] <seb128> had -> add
[14:20] <didrocks> right, ok, got it
[14:20] <didrocks> well, at least, that means that my testing wasn't so bad (I was afraid that I've pushed this error in previous upload) :)
[14:20] <seb128> ;-)
[14:24] <hyperair> gir1.0-something-clutter-1.0 does not conflict on libclutter1.0-0 hard enough.
[14:24] <hyperair> i think.
[14:24] <hyperair> wait a sec, libclutter1.0-0 disappeared..
[14:26] <hyperair> oh nevermind
[14:26] <hyperair> i had a newer clutter than the repository
[14:28] <didrocks> hyperair: and apparently, it's a cluttered clutter :)
[14:28] <hyperair> didrocks: heh yes, a very cluttered clutter.
[14:29]  * hyperair thinks our upgrade path could do with a little improving..
[14:29] <hyperair> though i was probably my fault for using a daily gnome-shell PPA + xorg-edgers..
[14:29] <ogra> hyperair, didnt update-manager catch that ?
[14:29] <hyperair> ogra: nope.
[14:30] <ogra> thats actually what it is supposed to do
[14:30] <hyperair> ogra: i had a few newer-than-usual packages.
[14:30] <ogra> but from third party repos
[14:30] <hyperair> ogra: that included libclutter-1.0-0, which aptitude didn't seem to like downgrading.
[14:30] <ogra> u-m checks for that
[14:30] <didrocks> ah, way better for empathy one I stop being silly :) uploading now
[14:30]  * hyperair did do-release-upgrade -d
[14:30] <ogra> thats the same
[14:30] <hyperair> but that should also be part of update-manager..
[14:30] <hyperair> yeah
[14:31] <hyperair> ogra: does u-m take care of downgrading packaegs?
[14:31] <mvo> hyperair: hm, what was the error?
[14:31] <ogra> it does take care of checking your sources.list for third party repos
[14:31] <ogra> i dont think it downgrades indeed
[14:31] <ogra> else we'd have called it downgrade-manager :P
[14:32] <hyperair> mvo: it got lost in my terminal scrollback.. i've been fixing the borked upgrade since.
[14:32] <ogra> (bad joke, i know)
[14:32] <hyperair> ogra: hehehh.
[14:34] <hyperair> mvo: it seems to be going fine now. the main issue was that i had libclutter-1.0-0=1.2.6-0ubuntusomethingorother from some PPA, but it was still prior to the split of the gobject-introspection file into the gir1.0-somethingorother package.
[14:35] <hyperair> mvo: and so aptitude didn't want to downgrade libclutter-1.0-0, and gir1.0-clutter-1.0 wouldn't install because of the file conflict
[14:38] <rickspencer3> pitti, seb128, didrocks what's the word on the street? No dead kittens? No ISO respins?
[14:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: there was a respin, new images landed an hour ago
[14:38]  * pitti commandeered his wife's computer and now does three tests in parallel
[14:39] <rickspencer3> d'oh
[14:39] <didrocks> will do some tests in few minutes too now that empathy is *finally* finished
[14:40] <seb128> will do the same once rsync is done
[14:41] <seb128> you would think it would download almost nothing for trivial changes
[14:41] <seb128> but no...
[14:41] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[14:41] <pedro_> salut seb128
[14:41] <seb128> pedro_, how are you?
[14:42] <pitti> sent 189715 bytes  received 176013639 bytes  939751.22 bytes/sec
[14:42] <pitti> for me
[14:42] <pitti> speedup is 4.16
[14:42] <pitti> hmm
[14:42] <pitti> apparently the structure on the ISO does get juggled somewhat
[14:42] <pedro_> seb128, I'm good, testing the latest ISO , how are you doing?
[14:42] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, when is your flight?
[14:42] <seb128> pedro_, I'm good thanks
[14:43] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I take off at 12h50
[14:43] <seb128> pedro_, if you get borred of iso testing pitti waved a round of sru in lucid now
[14:43] <rickspencer3> will leave here in about 2h20
[14:43] <seb128> pedro_, so quite some GNOME update to testplay if you feel like it ;-)
[14:44] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, for the rest of the morning I will contribute in my normal way on release day ...
[14:44] <rickspencer3> by pacing around and worrying
[14:44] <pitti> rickspencer3: don't worry too much, we'll be fine
[14:44] <rickspencer3> pitti, I know
[14:44]  * pitti chuckles
[14:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, do iso testing! ;-)
[14:44] <pedro_> seb128, <3 , I'll go for those after finishing with the iso testing ;-)
[14:44] <JanC> I'd say it's normal that even a small change gives large changes in the ISO because of the compression etc.?
[14:44] <rickspencer3> and I saw the incident report, it seemed like a good call
[14:45] <seb128> ok, I need to go out for some errants and since rsync takes ages let's do that now
[14:45] <seb128> be back in a bit for next iso testing round
[14:46]  * pitti tosses seb128 some bandwidth
[14:46] <mvo> hyperair: aha, thanks. well, on release upgrades normally file overwrites are reported but are not critical
[14:46] <didrocks> speedup is 4.16 here
[14:46] <pitti> it's so great to work on a DSL16000 for a while; I'm afraid I'm getting used to it
[14:46] <pitti> didrocks: heh, here too
[14:46] <hyperair> mvo: file overwrites?
[14:46] <hyperair> mvo: similar to the file conflict i had?
[14:47]  * hyperair is worrying over dpkg running out of disk space..
[14:47] <mvo> hyperair: hm, I can't find your line in scrollback
[14:47] <hyperair> mvo: what line?
[14:47] <mvo> hyperair: u-m should have a check for diskspace too :) if it runs out, I want a bugreport
[14:47] <mvo> hyperair: with the exact error message
[14:47] <mvo> hyperair: that you got
[14:48] <hyperair> mvo: if it runs out, i think i'll need to reinstall, since i have not heard of any good way of making dpkg recover from disk usage finishing
[14:48] <hyperair> but yeah i'll give you a bug report
[14:54] <asac> Riddell: there?
[14:55] <Riddell> asac: hola
[16:04] <konrad> hi
[16:05] <konrad> ich wollte mal fragen, ob ihr mir sagen könnt, ob sich ein Upgrade lohnt
[16:06] <qense> konraid: #ubuntu-de bitte, #ubuntu-desktop ist kein support channel
[16:06] <qense> konrad
[16:07] <seb128> ist aunch english sprechen channel ;-)
[16:07] <konrad> kay, thanks
[16:09] <seb128> is the iso tracker working for others?
[16:10] <seb128> I get an error page right now
[16:10] <pitti> no, it's got problems
[16:10] <pitti> see #u-release
[16:10] <seb128> ok
[16:10] <pitti> IOW, it's unusable right now :(
[16:10]  * pitti has a stack of 6 successful tests to report, too
[16:11] <seb128> I don't care so much about reporting success than knowing what cases need testing
[16:11] <vish> seb128: hi.. if you notice bugs in gnome-panel mentioning the panel is frozen, [time stuck or sys mon graph not working]  there seems to be a problem in X , restarting compiz corrects those "frozen" issues
[16:11] <seb128> vish, no
[16:12] <seb128> or maybe but those usually have so few informations than they are of no use
[16:13] <vish> seb128: hehe , i was giving you a heads up, to close those bugs or change the task/reduce your burden ;)  ... , once the drm landed those reduced .. after i switched to kernel .33 and havent had those problems [yet]
[16:14] <seb128> ok!
[16:24] <Nafai> morning
[16:44] <pitti> ubuntu DVDs up for testing (not on tracker yet, since that is down ATM; being worked on)
[16:47] <seb128> pitti, tracker is back
[16:47] <pitti> yay
[16:48] <pitti> seb128: FSVO "back"
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, I just registered 3 successful installs
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, I'm not asking for extra service ;-)
[16:48] <pitti> seb128: just talking with Kay and David -- seems we can trivially build gnome-vfs without hal support; added to my todo list for early maverick
[16:48] <seb128> ok good
[16:48] <pitti> libhal-B-gone!
[16:49] <pitti> and with it those ominous crashes, hopefully
[16:49] <seb128> which ones?
[16:49] <seb128> I don't think we got so many of those nowadays, the recent case turned out to be libpam-mount rather
[16:49] <seb128> but still going to clean up things ;-)
[16:49] <pitti> seb128: ah, I see
[16:49] <pitti> I thought it crashed somewhere in libhal
[16:50] <seb128> with some luck we will be able to move gnome-vfs out of the CD next cycle
[16:50] <seb128> pitti, right, which libpam-mount is using
[16:50] <Nafai> yay for simplification!
[16:51] <seb128> pitti, bah, I meant libpam-usb there
[16:51] <pitti> seb128: hughsie killed the hal code from gpm, so maverick won't have hal in the default install
[16:52] <pitti> which also means broken backlight support on many models until X catches up, though :(
[16:52] <pitti> (this was just discussed on the ML)
[16:52] <seb128> ok
[16:53] <seb128> is the xorg backlight thing being worked by somebody?
[16:53]  * Nafai needs to work on his blueprints today
[16:53] <seb128> hey Nafai
[16:53] <didrocks> the tracker is more or less down again  can't register my tests :/
[16:54] <Nafai> hey seb128
[16:54] <Nafai> the release shaping up well?
[16:56] <seb128> Nafai, okish, new isos have been rolled for a grub issue so new round of testing
[16:56] <seb128> brb
[17:03] <didrocks> hum, got a fail on Julie's computer with install mode directly (not starting), let's have a try on a crashbox
[17:09] <Nafai> so what's the ETA? :)
[17:11] <pitti> Nafai: we still need to test the DVDs
[17:12] <pitti> Nafai: if you have some bandwidth and can help with them, that'd be appreaciated :)
[17:12] <Nafai> hrm, that would require finding my DVD burner
[17:12] <Nafai> though I suppose I could boot via KVM
[17:12] <Nafai> What's the URL for the images?
[17:13] <pitti> Nafai: kvm is fine
[17:13] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[17:13] <pitti> ^ images
[17:13] <pitti> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4169
[17:13] <pitti> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4170
[17:13] <pitti> Nafai: ^ feedback (one for i386, one for amd64)
[17:14] <Nafai> thanks
[17:16] <pitti> Nafai: I guess it only makes sense if you already have a DVD image for rsyncing, though
[17:16]  * Nafai nods
[17:16] <pitti> Nafai: sucking down 4.1 GB from UK to Australia will certainly take more time than we still have
[17:16] <Nafai> true dat
[17:28]  * Nafai zsyncs the cd iso's he already has
[17:35] <Nafai> ugh, tiredness all the sudden hit me
[17:35] <Nafai> going to take a nap, bbiab
[17:41]  * pitti -> off for some fresh air and dinner
[17:52] <dobey> pedro_: ping :)
[17:52] <pedro_> hello dobey!
[17:52] <dobey> hola pedro
[17:52] <dobey> pedro_: so lp has been sending me some mail the last few days "your membership to ubuntu-bugcontrol is about to expire" :)
[17:53] <pedro_> dobey, oh it will expiry, i'm not going to renew your membership there.
[17:53] <pedro_> dobey, looking at it right now ;-)
[17:53] <dobey> pedro_: could you renew it please? :)
[17:54] <pedro_> dobey, renewed , thanks !
[17:54] <dobey> pedro_: gracias mi amigo :)
[17:54] <pedro_> por nada! :-)
[18:07] <azteech> anyone know how things are going on the final testing of the new changes?
[18:13]  * kenvandine -> lunch
[18:22]  * didrocks -> dinner
[18:43] <hyperair> compiz feels laggy.
[18:43] <hyperair> weird.
[19:33] <rickspencer3> hey all
[19:36] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I assume the release is out now?
[19:36] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[19:36] <rickspencer3> d'oh
[19:36] <kenvandine> i guess it is :)
[19:36] <rickspencer3> still ISO testing I suppose?
[19:37] <kenvandine> i thought so... but looking at ubuntu.com it appears to be released
[19:37] <rickspencer3> niiiiice
[19:37] <kenvandine> ah... an hour ago :)
[19:37] <kenvandine> while i was at lunch :-p
[19:38] <rickspencer3> hehe
[19:38] <rickspencer3> while I was traveling to the airport
[19:39] <charlie-tca> yup, released
[19:51]  * hyperair wonders how one should go about getting the pretty new gdm themes for lucid..
[19:54] <didrocks> kenvandine: it's been one hour and half, you're lagging :p
[19:55] <rickspencer3> didrocks, US always lags
[19:55] <kenvandine> i guess :)
[19:57] <Nafai> back for a while
[19:58] <kenvandine> hey Nafai
[19:58] <kenvandine> happy lucid day :-D
[19:58] <Nafai> Yay
[19:58] <Nafai> Utah is celebrating Lucid day by snowing
[19:58] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:00] <Nafai> but I still have Spring time allergies
[20:01] <didrocks> rickspencer3: heh ;)
[20:01] <didrocks> rickspencer3: on which side of the ocean are you right now, btw? ;)
[20:03] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[20:03] <rickspencer3> waiting for my plane in Seattle
[20:03] <rickspencer3> so the "left" side of the Atlantic, "right" side of the pacific ;)
[20:03] <rickspencer3> didrocks, how do you feel now that the release is out?
[20:04] <didrocks> rickspencer3: "released" ?  :-)
[20:04] <didrocks> rickspencer3: more seriously, as usual, it's a joy. We have good SRU already ready, so I'm pretty confident
[20:04] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:05] <didrocks> I've reinstalled most of my laptop (and Julie's one) after testing upgrade to have most of test case (even netbook with LVM and encrypted home dir) and it seems all right
[20:05] <didrocks> tomorrow evening will be release party in Paris \o/
[20:06] <Nafai> didrocks: how far away are you from Paris?
[20:06] <rickspencer3> I wonder if there are any release parties in Amsterdam tomorrow?
[20:06] <didrocks> Nafai: well, by feet and public transportation, 20 minutes from Champs Élysées (Arc de triomphe)
[20:07] <Nafai> didrocks: nice!
[20:07] <didrocks> Nafai: so, not far at all, it's more or less the other side of the river :)
[20:07] <didrocks> rickspencer3: in the Airport, maybe? You can give it a try :)
[20:07] <Nafai> I'd like to see Paris some day, the Eiffel Tower, Champs  Élysée, the Louvre, etc
[20:08] <Nafai> looks like I know a tour guide too now :)
[20:08] <didrocks> Nafai: there has already been an UDS near Paris long ago :)
[20:08] <Nafai> darn, have to find another reason
[20:09] <didrocks> Nafai: well, I will probably move to Lyon (400 kms away) during summer
[20:09] <rickspencer3> my life is one long Ubuntu release party
[20:09] <Nafai> rickspencer3: sounds awesome
[20:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: "everyday is a new day of joy and surprises"?
[20:10] <kklimonda> rickspencer3: doesn't sound bad but I feel sorry for your liver ;)
[20:10] <Nafai> better than being one long Ubuntu bug triage session
[20:10] <rickspencer3> didrocks, something like that, yeah
[20:10] <rickspencer3> speaking of which, I'm going to head to my gate
[20:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: have a safe travel
[20:11] <rickspencer3> desktop team: what a rocking team!!
[20:11] <rickspencer3> great release with lucid
[20:11] <didrocks> thanks to a rocking manager :)
[20:11] <kenvandine> indeed... 3 cheers for rickspencer3!
[20:11] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:11] <rickspencer3> I wish pitti was around so we could tell him how f*cking incredibly he was this release
[20:11] <rickspencer3> nah
[20:11] <rickspencer3> you guys rocked lucid
[20:12] <rickspencer3> and pitti really helped us get to a new level with the work item tracker and etc...!
[20:12] <rickspencer3> lucid! lucid! lucid!
[20:12] <didrocks> thanks rickspencer3 :-)
[20:12] <Nafai> definitely 3 cheers for rickspencer3 and for pitti and everyone else!
[20:12]  * rickspencer3 does the wave
[20:13]  * chrisccoulson cheers
[20:13] <kenvandine> looking forward to celebrating in brussels
[20:13] <rickspencer3> yes
[20:14] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, you're not celebrating today? ;)
[20:14] <kenvandine> i am... just not as much fun in my office :)
[20:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: remember, US, lagging (see backlog ;))
[20:14]  * didrocks hugs kenvandine
[20:15]  * kenvandine hugs didrocks
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> hurry up launchpad :)
[21:33] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[21:33] <didrocks> hey seb128 :-)
[21:33] <seb128> didrocks, bug #571725 could be due to the sru update
[21:34] <seb128> you probably want to keep an eye on it
[21:34] <seb128> not today, you should not be around after hours ;-)
[21:35] <didrocks> seb128: as Pedro, I don't get it either with the SRU version
[21:35] <didrocks> let me see if I have the directory
[21:35] <seb128> well that doesn't mean there is not a bug
[21:35] <seb128> try removing the dir if you have it?
[21:35] <didrocks> right
[21:36] <didrocks> ok, will have a look tomorrow :)
[21:36] <didrocks> it's not published anyway, right?
[21:36] <didrocks> only in -proposed
[21:36] <seb128> right
[21:36] <seb128> it will take a week without such issues to go to updates
[21:37] <seb128> we will probably want to block it and fix that bug if it's new in the update
[21:37] <didrocks> I'm downgrading first to check :)
[21:37] <seb128> well the new version stores infos again which was not in the lucid version
[21:39] <didrocks> ok, it's due to the new version
[21:39] <didrocks> I'll have a look tomorrow morning :)
[21:39] <didrocks> (well, during the power breakage, have to get some battery)
[21:49] <seb128> didrocks, oh right, good night and good luck without power tomorrow ;-)
[21:49] <didrocks> seb128: well, I have no role to play there, EDF is choosing for me at what hour I'll start to work online ;)
[21:50] <seb128> ;-)
[21:52]  * kenvandine buys yet more music from the music store :)
[21:53] <Nafai> kenvandine: awesome
[21:53] <Nafai> I was forgetful earlier this week and bought from Amazon :(
[21:53] <Nafai> After I clicked "buy" I remembered about the Ubuntu Music Store
[21:53] <kenvandine> Nafai, help save the cats :)
[21:54] <Nafai> :)
[22:03] <kenvandine> well it's beer-o-clock here... time to celebrate Lucid!
[22:03] <kenvandine> later folks!
[22:05] <Nafai> later kenvandine!
[23:17] <TheMuso> Good morning.
[23:20] <highvoltage> good morning TheMuso
[23:51] <Technoviking> Is there a file that I can set GdmXserverTimeout, want to try increse GdmXserverTimeout to fix a problem?
[23:52] <Technoviking> Was in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf, but not in 10.04
[23:55] <RAOF> Good morning!


[01:21] <quidnu> Are there any known bugs preventing sound from working on bionic with intel-hda ?
[03:53] <CoJaBo> Is there anyway to debug why ubuntu bionic (server) is freezing? has been stable for several weeks now, and now has frozen up twice in 2 days
[03:55] <slidinghorn> CoJaBo: What exactly is "Freezing?"
[03:56] <CoJaBo> It just completely stops responding; no response to keypress, can't ping it, display is on but no errors were printed
[03:59] <CoJaBo> There hadn't been any changes made in the several weeks before the first crash; nothing installed, updated, reconfigured, or rebooted at all, and the machine was mostly just sitting idle
[03:59] <slidinghorn> CoJaBo: first place to look is in /var/log/  and look at the syslogs from when it crashed
[04:00] <CoJaBo> After that, I updated everything, rebooted, and just left it sit; it wasn't even running most of the usual stuff (sshfs/fileserver), as I hadn't started that again
[04:01] <CoJaBo> There's nothing in /var/log/ that I can find from around the time of the crash; the last entry was several weeks prior, the one that'd been printed to console (from when I'd mounted a filesystem)
[04:01] <slidinghorn> CoJaBo: that's not possible.
[04:02] <CoJaBo> There's a few things from cron or logins or something, but they aren't errors and are also mostly hours before since the system was almost completely idle when it crashed
[04:03] <CoJaBo> slidinghorn: is there anything it's possible to determine from the system while it's still on and frozen?
[04:05] <slidinghorn> CoJaBo: Doesn't sound like ssh would respond, but you can try.  I guarantee you there's something in one of the syslogs in /var/log that will give you a hint, though.  Your statement that there's nothing beyond a couple weeks ago is simply not possible.
[04:06] <CoJaBo> slidinghorn: I had an ssh connection open (tho idle) and it timed out; I can't connect to anything on the server's IP, can't even ping it
[04:07] <CoJaBo> slidinghorn: It appears that it's just freezing and not writing anything at all to disk
[04:21] <Bashing-om> CoJaBo: Good for thought, fought that freezing up for 6 months on this system .,. installed the nvidia graphic's driver and no more freezes .
[04:23] <CoJaBo> Bashing-om: is that even possible to install if the system is console-only?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> CoJaBo: My understanding is that if you do not have a graphic's card installed ya got to make up a dummy .
[04:25] <CoJaBo> It has a gfx card installed, because the mobo doesn't have onboard one
[04:28] <Bashing-om> CoJaBo: That be good .. there is no longer a AMD proprietary driver :) Bit ya might do well to verify that the driver matches the card .
[04:29] <CoJaBo> Bashing-om: Why would that help if the system isn't using the graphics card for anything but text?
[04:30] <flocculant> nacc: not sure why a wiki page I edited once is mine :D
[04:30] <Bashing-om> CoJaBo: Got me . All I can relate is the driver ( module ) can and does some crazy things .
[04:32] <Bashing-om> CoJaBo: et all .. I be late for the date for some rack time .. take care and we do this later .
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: when i apt-cache search wayland, nvidia 390 driver shows up :p
[04:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yepper . have not checked lately .. but the 390 driver in the repo may be the ;latest version still be what we want on wayland .
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah just my thought
[04:36] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Amd on nother sujhect ... we made it .. published ! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523
[04:36] <Bashing-om> subject*
[04:38] <Bashing-om> oooppps sorry for the off-topic .
[04:40] <USERNAME000> Hello,
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[04:40] <USERNAME000> I'm having some issues with KVM on B.B.
[04:40] <nacc> flocculant: lol
[04:40] <USERNAME000> when running qemu it doesn't get kvm support
[04:41] <nacc> USERNAME000: run `kvm` ?
[04:41] <USERNAME000> qemu --enable-kvm
[04:41] <nacc> or `kvm-ok` to see if it is supported
[04:41] <USERNAME000> kvm
[04:41] <USERNAME000> qemu-system-x86_64
[04:42] <USERNAME000> Shows cannot get kernel module permissions and fails
[04:47] <cpaelzer> USERNAME000: then /dev/kvm does not allow you
[04:47] <cpaelzer> that should be on root:kvm
[04:47] <cpaelzer> and you should be in group kvm
[04:47] <cpaelzer> usually
[04:47] <cpaelzer> check "id" if you are
[04:53] <USERNAME000> reinstalling now.
[04:59] <CoJaBo> slidinghorn: Confirmed that, indeed, nothing at all whatsoever was written to the syslog at time of crash, at least that made it to disk; last entry was from a random cronjob about an hour before, in both cases
[05:15] <USERNAME00> Figured it out
[05:15] <USERNAME00> It was an issue of not adding the user to libvirt
[06:46] <CoJaBo> I've noticed a seperate issue now, after updating everythign to latest; I get a kernel panic, "attempted to kill init" when rebooting; happens 100% of the time, at the very end of shutdown (and of course after all the logging is shut down, so I can't see the top halfd of the message)
[07:55] <vlt> Hello. What is the replacement for /etc/network/interfaces on 18.04?
[08:02] <lindbergio> Has anyone figured out how to disable screen orientation in Bionic? I have tried setting the 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.touchscreen orientation-lock' key to 'true' and 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.orientation active' key to 'false'.
[08:03] <TJ-> vlt: for Desktop installs it's Network Manager; for servers it's systemd-networkd. Both are using 'netplan' (netplan.io) as a configuration file front-end
[08:08] <vlt> TJ-: Thank you.
[08:10] <TJ-> netplan has a single purpose. Write config files for the network services. We create definitions in /etc/netplan/. At boot-time netplan converts that for NM or s-n and writes the appropriate config to /run/NetworkManager/ or /run/systemd/network/
[09:56] <Tm_T> I've noticed that since upgrading to 18.04 my Steam client fails to connect to servers
[09:56] <Tm_T> I did go in offline mode and installed client updates but that didn't change anything
[09:56] <Tm_T> iptables has no blocking rules
[10:10] <blackflow> Tm_T: DNS issues? Temporarily change the resolver in /etc/resolv.conf, say enter google's    nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>    and see if that works.
[10:10] <Tm_T> I doubt but let's see
[10:10] <Tm_T> now I logged out and try log in again, fails
[10:10] <Tm_T> I can log in to android and website just fine
[10:11] <Tm_T> time to try traditional fix, reboot the whole machine
[10:21] <blackflow> Tm_T: did that fix it?
[10:23] <Tm_T> it did
[10:23] <Tm_T> it didn't even ask me to log in, it just went in smoothly
[10:24] <blackflow> well how about that.
[12:19] <Laibsch> Can somebody help me understand what's going on in bug 991471?
[12:20] <Laibsch> It still affects bionic and I'd like to see what I can do to get it fixed
[12:21] <Laibsch> IOW, how does the automatic mounting happen?
[14:28] <enyc> Laibsch: theres some other issue such that grub config / os-prober  wan't find typical other ubuntu installs on btrfs and put them in tnhe boot-menu!
[14:35] <sveinse> How come I can only find libportaudio2 but no libportaudio2-dev in 18.04 ?
[15:26] <mvvvv> Hi ... microcode-intel is installed on my updated 18.04 beta ... but it doesn't appear in ubuntu-drivers any more ... is it the new way to handle it ?
[15:54] <Bloviogot> hi
[16:02] <nacc> sveinse: there is no libportaudio2-dev in ubuntu period
[16:02] <nacc> sveinse: perhaps you meant portaudio19-dev ?
[16:04] <sveinse> nacc: There is a libportaudio2, so I assumed there would be a -dev version of it as well. Perhaps portaudio19-dev is the -dev package from the same source package that builds libportaudio2 ?
[16:36] <nacc> sveinse: yes it is.
[16:36] <nacc> sveinse: that's why i suggested it :)
[16:49] <andreas__> Hello, does someone know how to screen-capture or take regular screen shots of the gdm3 greeter prior to login? I have a few graphic glitches I want to record.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> andreas__: does prt scr button not work on that stage?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> andreas__: wich graphics card/driver are you on and logged into wayland or xorg?
[16:53] <andreas__> I'm on nouveau with an nvidia optimus card. The problem is only visible prior to login. After login to either xorg or wayland the lock screen/switch user works just fine.
[16:54] <brainwash> andreas__: I think the easiest way would be to take a picture with a smartphone or camera
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> andreas__: hmm preboot glitches is weird.. perhaps try a !nomodeset
[16:59] <brainwash> andreas__: I would test this also https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/7q78jf/psa_if_youre_using_xorg_enable_xorg_backend_on/
[17:07] <andreas__> Thanks for the advice. I'm not trying to work my way around the problem. I think I'll go with phone/camera option. As I'm just curious about why it is happening, and having an image or video to show someone more knowledgeable than me might help shed some light on the situation.
[17:08] <brainwash> andreas__: testing with gdm3 on xorg vs wayland could help with the debugging
[17:14] <andreas__> so, is gdm3 greeter using xorg or wayland? if I'm not mistaken it was wayland in 17.10. And I assumed it is back to xorg for 18.04 since that's the default now? If so, should I test with "WaylandEnable=true" in the conf file?
[17:18] <andreas__> This is the only computer I have access to at the moment. I'll do a reboot and record the problems to start with. Then I'll try enabling/disabling wayland in gdm3 and see what happens. Thanks for the help thus far. Bye!
[19:03] <FurretUber> Hi, is there a way to make netconsole start VERY early at boot? Like, before everything possible?
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: can this help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole
[19:06] <FurretUber> Adding it to kernel command line makes it lose around 6 seconds of logs, which was enough to make https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1757218 very hard to debug
[19:07] <FurretUber> I set netconsole to start on boot successfully, but it has a 6 seconds interval that caused a lot of trouble
[19:11] <alkisg> FurretUber: I haven't used it, but from what I can see, it's available even in the initramfs, so you could even set up networking in the initramfs (ip=dhcp) and put netconsole in /etc/modules and run update-initramfs
[19:11] <alkisg> That way it should be started even before / is loaded
[19:20] <FurretUber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Netconsole/Early
[19:20] <FurretUber> Time to test
[19:22] <omarv> Hi all, I have ubuntu 18 installed, by now have a problem starting up,, could someone help me ? thanks  a lot
[19:35] <FurretUber> I have updated the initramfs to add netconsole and it worked, I have a log with the kernel panic. Thank you, very much
[19:37] <brainwash> omarv: usually one would describe the problem, and then wait for an answer
[19:44] <omarv> Iḿ not ubuntu user experimented, so I ´l try to explain: Failed to connect to lvmetad.Falling back to device scanning.
[19:46] <omarv> anyway it begins to starting up , by now stop starting resolvconf-pull-resolved.service
[19:49] <brainwash> omarv: is that a fresh installation of 18.04, or an upgrade from a previous version?
[19:52] <omarv> I installed it last week . version 18.04. It was working like a charm..until two hours ago, it crashed..
[19:53] <omarv> it is fresh installation, ..not comming from version 17.04
[19:54] <omarv> it is Linux 4.15.0-15-generic
[19:58] <brainwash> omarv: it cashed while doing what?
[19:58] <brainwash> omarv: also, was the system able to boot after all?
[19:59] <adalbert> Hi, I'm reading on the net that ubuntu 18 will ship with a gnome release with a memory leak? Is that true?
[19:59] <omarv> I just made a restart the system..
[20:00] <brainwash> adalbert: glad that you've provided a link to that claim..
[20:00] <adalbert> brainwash: just a sec ...
[20:01] <adalbert> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/gnome-shell-has-a-memory-leak-and-it-might-not-be-fixed-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[20:01] <brainwash> omarv: still the same problem with slow starting services?
[20:03] <omarv> it starting the services , but suddenly stop to continue load it
[20:03] <brainwash> adalbert: the article mentions bug 1672297
[20:04] <brainwash> so, it will be fixed
[20:05] <adalbert> brainwash: That is good news!
[20:07] <omarv> no,..jajaj,.. because Im very impatient, and restarted the pc again...
[20:08] <brainwash> you still haven't described how the system crashed in the first place
[20:08] <omarv> need I to wait starting services going on..?
[20:09] <brainwash> maybe you can change the timeout for services, so you'll have to wait less
[20:09] <omarv> really not crashed,,I reboot the pc,,and then the problem arise..
[20:09] <brainwash> but could it be a hardware failure?
[20:09] <brainwash> aha
[20:10] <brainwash> so, some package update could be the culprit
[20:13] <omarv> yes , it should be a hw failure,, it said PCIe Bus Error, type= physical Layer
[20:14] <brainwash> well, not sure what can be done in this case other than replacing the faulty hardware
[20:15] <omarv> off course, then ,..I will double check the hardware..thanks
[20:15] <brainwash> please do
[20:16] <omarv> it is installed in a MSI GE62 Apache pro
[20:18] <omarv> may be the GPU was overheated, and previous to that I was running tensorflow in GPU ,..I think that was happened...
[20:20] <brainwash> I would boot the ubuntu 18.04 iso, and check if live mode is working
[20:22] <omarv> How can do that ? need I to reboot using iso image from USB memory ?
[20:22] <brainwash> yes
[20:23] <cram> hello i do upgrade xubuntu 17.10 to 18.10 and now black screen.
[20:23] <brainwash> you mean 18.04
[20:24] <omarv> ok,..I will do that..
[20:24] <cram> #ubuntu say me its because i have nividia and to come her for support.
[20:24] <cram> what can i do?
[20:24] <cram> yes i mean 18.04
[20:27] <brainwash> maybe bug 1752053
[20:27] <brainwash> I suggest reading the comments towards the bottom of the page
[20:29] <brainwash> another report bug 1764005
[20:30] <cram> ok but i have no console on the screen just xubuntu screen and after black screen
[20:31] <nacc> cram: go to a tty (ctrl+alt+f1, f2, etc.)
[20:33] <cram> ok do this and have console now but what next?
[20:33] <cram> i read the bottom page but do not understand very well
[20:34] <brainwash> what do you not understand?
[20:35] <cram> i have to install new packages for nvidia but what command line? is it apt-get isntall nvidia-driver-390?
[20:38] <cram> there s so much things i do not understand on this page
[20:41] <brainwash> cram: why did you install/upgrade to 18.04?
[20:42] <cram> because i think soon xubuntu 17.10 will not be maintened
[20:43] <nacc> cram: ... you have 3-4 months
[20:43] <cram> maybe it was a little bit soon
[20:43] <nacc> cram: and 18.04 isn't released yet
[20:44] <cram> ok i have misinterpreted
[20:44] <cram> but can i undo what have be done
[20:44] <nacc> cram: not really, no
[20:45] <cram> that's bad
[20:45] <IntelCore> ahhchoo
[20:46] <IntelCore> will 16.04 update to bionic?
[20:46] <nacc> IntelCore: in about 3 months
[20:46] <cram> but it must not be too difficult to had a repo in command line?
[20:46] <nacc> IntelCore: and when you ask it to, of course
[20:46] <nacc> cram: ... what does that have to do with anything?
[20:46] <nacc> cram: everything in 18.04 is after 17.10, so adding a repo won't do anything
[20:46] <IntelCore> oh.. hi nacc!  Yeah that.
[20:47] <nacc> IntelCore: 16.04 -> 18.04.1 once it comes out
[20:47] <IntelCore> otherwise clean install 18.04 now?
[20:47] <cram> i think had ppa for nvidia driver
[20:47] <nacc> IntelCore: otherwise what?
[20:47] <nacc> IntelCore: you can `d-release-upgrade -d` to 18.04
[20:48] <nacc> do-release-upgrade, rather
[20:48] <nacc> IntelCore: but it's not officially offered until 18.04.1
[20:48] <IntelCore> launchpad showing 18.04beta
[20:48] <nacc> IntelCore: well, 18.04 isn't out yet
[20:48] <nacc> IntelCore: not sure what you mean by that last sentence
[20:48] <IntelCore> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[20:49] <nacc> IntelCore: ok, and what specific thing says "18.04beta" ?
[20:49] <IntelCore> the frozen build
[20:50] <nacc> IntelCore: i don't find the string 'frozen build' or '18.04beta' on the page
[20:50] <nacc> IntelCore: what are you actually asking?
[20:51] <IntelCore> http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[20:51] <IntelCore> That is there to download
[20:51] <nacc> you are better off always downloading the daily
[20:51] <nacc> beta 2 is just a point in time
[20:51] <nacc> ~11 days old, so you'd need to go through all the updates if you installed that
[20:51] <nacc> IntelCore: that's still not a question
[20:52] <IntelCore> Oh, well.. I want 18.04 before the approved three months
[20:53] <IntelCore> what is good to do?
[20:53] <cram> ok will read and try to understand all this...
[20:53] <cram> tahks for the help
[20:53] <cram> by
[20:53] <cram> bye
[20:53] <nacc> IntelCore: you can upgrade or fresh install
[20:54] <tgm4883> IntelCore: Then get it Next Thursday, when it's released
[20:59] <omarv> brainwash:I was testing last time trying to start system again, and it stop starting and it said "Started Restore /etc/resolv.conf if the system crashed before thye ppp link was shut down",... What it means?
[21:06] <brainwash> I think it means that the system tries to restore a broken or invalid /etc/resolv.conf
[21:07] <brainwash> however, that shouldn't impact the boot process
[21:08] <brainwash> it could be the last message while the system was still booting ok
[21:08] <brainwash> ideally, you should share a photo of the boot screen
[21:08] <brainwash> so that we can get a better impression of what is going on
[21:09] <brainwash> other than that, did you boot into live mode yet?
[21:09] <IntelCore> Yea, I will Thursday, on a new partition.. put 18.04, and likely back-away from 16.04
[22:07] <omarv> brainwash:In doing USB iso image with Ubuntu 18.04
[23:38] <xuanrui> Hi all
[23:39] <xuanrui> I've been experiencing very, very frequent freezes on the latest release of 18.04...
[23:39] <xuanrui> *GUI freezes I mean
[23:41] <xuanrui> Has anyone experienced a similar issue? If so has it been fixed in the daily version?
[23:41] <xuanrui> (by latest release, I mean beta2)
[23:47] <andreas__> xuanrui: I have short freezes (especially during input, i.e. mouse and keyboard events) when I'm login on a wayland session. But I believe that is due to wayland not being stable enough yet, hence the defaulting to xorg (purely speculations from my part though). I haven't tried xorg enough yet to say anything conclusive.
[23:48] <xuanrui> I'm having extremely frequent freezes, like, completely freezes the GUI and I can't move anything anymore
[23:48] <xuanrui> have to resort to power-buttoning
[23:48] <xuanrui> I was thinking probably this was not a 18.04 issue but a result of old config files or sth...
[23:51] <andreas__> It's not that bad for me. You'll have to wait for someone more knowledgeable than me to reply.


[14:52] <superm1> hi frink__
[14:54] <stevieman> I'm having a problem with my hauppauge pvr-150 remote (not USB). The remote works great until I turn on IR blaster at which point the remote stops working. If I turn off IR blaster the remote starts working again. I'm running mythbuntu 8.04
[15:40] <tgm4883> frink__, ping
[15:59] <tgm4883> kees, ping
[15:59] <frink__> tgm4883: pong
[16:00] <tgm4883> frink__, was going to ask about the website, but Daviey_ just got the email about it
[16:00] <frink__> cool
[16:00] <frink__> yeah
[16:01] <frink__> engineers on site - the box is buggered (hardware) and they are re-building it. Data should all be OK though.
[16:01] <tgm4883> thats great news
[16:01] <tgm4883> we weren't sure we had a current backup of the site (oops)
[16:06] <Daviey_> frink__: thanks again
[16:06] <stevieman> Will 8.10 fix my problem with the pvr-150 remote?
[16:23] <kees> tgm4883: hola
[16:26] <tgm4883> kees, if you got a sec, someone posted a script to map tuners in the forums.  if you have a sec to look at it and tell me if there are any glaring problems with it
[16:26] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=753434
[16:26] <tgm4883> i'm about to test it, but i'm in the middle of upgrading my backend, so can't test it for another 15 minutes
[16:28] <tgm4883> kees, unless you know of a way to do it at install, I was thinking maybe something like that could be scripted for MCC
[17:02] <kees> tgm4883: the issue is that mythtv should use the already-static paths at /dev/v4l/by-path/*
[17:03] <kees> tgm4883: there's no good reason to use that posted script
[17:03] <tgm4883> kees, what creates those static paths?  I don't have them on my hardy backend
[17:03] <kees> it was new in intrepid.  it's from udev.
[17:03] <tgm4883> ah
[17:04] <tgm4883> and that works for all tuner devces?
[17:04] <tgm4883> ie, dvb and whatnot
[17:04] <kees> all v4l devices, yes.
[17:04] <tgm4883> ok
[17:04] <kees> what's missing is mythtv to use those when available, but it continues to just look for /dev/video*
[17:04] <tgm4883> you know of any patches available for that?
[17:05] <kees> no, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
[17:06] <tgm4883> i'll see if I can't find a patch on trac
[17:07] <kees> tgm4883: you might need to open a bug report requesting support for /dev/v4l/by-path/
[17:07] <kees> tgm4883: but, to answer your original question, yeah, the script is mostly okay.
[17:07] <tgm4883> ok, but not necessary
[17:07] <tgm4883> ok, thankss
[17:07] <kees> tgm4883: it has at least 1 bug,  "ATTR" should be "ATTRS" in the "build_rules" calls
[18:26] <squidly> what happened to the site?
[18:31] <superm1> its down right now.  people are aware of it and working on it tho
[19:39] <larstr> is there an index with new features in the upcoming mythbuntu compared to the current one?
[19:39] <larstr> will AAC be supported now?


[14:02] <tsdgeos_> Trevinho: i've had compiz in yakketi kind of lock twice in a row
[14:02] <tsdgeos_> Trevinho: had to kill it
[14:27] <mterry> Did canonical servers just have a fit?
[14:27] <mterry> mumble is down?
[14:29] <mterry> Or just me?  I can't even check...  :(  "http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ is unreachable."
[14:29] <mterry> Probably is just me
[14:32] <davmor2> mterry: It's not just you! http://mterry.com looks down from here. :D
[14:32] <mterry> davmor2, :)
[14:58] <josharenson> mterry: thoughts? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1601984
[15:01] <sil2100> Saviq, tsdgeos_: hey guys! Would you mind if I fast-track a packaging change for qtmir?
[15:01] <sil2100> Saviq, tsdgeos_: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1666
[15:01] <sil2100> Saviq, tsdgeos_: we're trying to get arm64 going, so this is needed for our first build to happen
[15:01] <Saviq> sil2100, doesn't look like qtmir's ready to land anywhere, so feel free
[15:07] <mterry> josharenson, writing comment
[15:13] <sil2100> Saviq: thanks!
[15:18] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: mh, lock... Like? Did you connect with gdb to understand where it was hanging=?
[15:20] <tsdgeos_> Trevinho: like alt+tab and stuff wouldn't work anymore
[15:20] <tsdgeos_> mouse would still move though
[15:20] <tsdgeos_> Trevinho: no i didn't attach gdb, want me to try it again?
[15:20] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: yeah, from tty1 as I guess you can't do anything there
[15:22] <tsdgeos_> now how do i copy&paste from a terminal :D
[15:23] <tsdgeos_> ah seems gdb can log to file
[15:24] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: yeah
[15:25] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: file gdb.txt
[15:25] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: set logging on
[15:25] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: more at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[15:25] <tsdgeos_> meh now i can't reproduce it
[15:26] <tsdgeos_> while before it was like 75% of the times i made kate go fullscreen and back
[15:26] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: mh, when it happens you know what to do
[15:26] <tsdgeos_> yeah
[15:26] <tsdgeos_> will keep an eye on it
[15:26] <Trevinho> tsdgeos_: ah, install compiz/unity dbgsym from ddebs
[15:27] <Trevinho> (you can do that even before launching gdb)


[01:07] <maps|wrk> hi all
[07:21] <SuperMatt> morning people
[07:21] <SuperMatt> time to start discussing release parties?
[07:21] <SuperMatt> wall papers were announced, so we must be close ;)
[07:53] <knightwise> mownin Derps !
[07:57] <lashy_> Hi guys  just noticed this ! Ubuntu newbie so  lot to learn. i have 5 awesome cats.
[07:57] <knightwise> Welcome lashy_ !! !
[07:58] <lashy_> well thank you
[07:58]  * knightwise is a cross platform slider using a variety of Linux (ubuntu) mac and even windows systems.
[08:06] <arsen> All the best of us use <too many> platforms :D
[08:06] <arsen> he says, from a centos VM on a macbook pro
[08:06] <arsen> via a debian server..
[08:06] <arsen> :D
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Make Your Bed Day! :-D
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:58] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/2g2uef/having_petty_trouble_with_chromium_web_apps/
[08:59] <popey> i read that as "Heavy petting"
[08:59] <popey> need more tea
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:11] <bigcalm> Hola
[10:36] <mapps> GAH
[10:36] <mapps> ive put openvpn on my pi..done all the config/files..but the client doesnt even connect
[10:37] <brobostigon> martijn knows quite abit about openvpn if memory serves.
[10:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: You say that but I bet you didn't make your bed :P
[10:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: Mind you if it is taking a day maybe you are ;)
[10:40] <JamesTait> davmor2, :-O  I'm shocked by that accusation!  I make my bed every morning (because I'm always the last out of it).
[10:40] <davmor2> popey: wow the app jump out and grope you, that would be trouble
[10:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: so you make more work for yourself by being lazy genius ;)
[10:42] <mapps> Sep 11 10:41:03 raspberrypi ovpn-server[5128]: Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: /etc/openvpn/server.conf
[10:42] <mapps> well thats one reason :D
[10:42] <JamesTait> davmor2, no, I exchange one kind of work for another - if I got up first (before 4am) I'd end up preparing lunches and doing the ironing. ;)
[10:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahahahaha
[10:45] <mapps> gah renamed my config file..but it still doesnt seem to load - checking ps aux and it snot there
[10:45] <mapps> and nothiung in sys log
[12:04] <davmor2> rip Jaws
[12:06] <mapps> hm?
[13:24] <diddledan> mapps: the bond villain jaws died
[13:26] <bigcalm> You mean the bond hero!
[13:28] <mapps> ah yea
[13:41] <popey> You mean Happy Gilmore's boss!
[14:03] <bigcalm> How does one compare two git branches locally?
[14:04] <bigcalm> GUI is preferable
[14:05] <directhex> bigcalm: git diff branch1..branch2
[14:05] <bigcalm> It can be done in gitlab, but it's not working locally
[14:05] <directhex> meld is the preferred tool for examining such things, afaik
[14:06] <bigcalm> directhex: GUI would be preferable
[14:06] <bigcalm> I have meld, haven't worked out how to compare two branches in it though
[14:16] <Myrtti> you know, I didn't know Yorkshire made individually wrapped one cup teabags
[14:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Hayley gets mailed one once a year on her birthday from them
[14:19] <Myrtti> bigcalm, yeah I got one a month ago too
[14:20] <popey> You northerners are wierd
[14:20] <Myrtti> bigcalm, but I specifically meant http://cdn3.volusion.com/gevj2.te6na/v/vspfiles/photos/TOHYO20-3.jpg?1351608825
[14:21] <Myrtti> (mine didn't have the tag on a string)
[14:22] <Myrtti> popey, pft. https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/14803415938/
[14:23] <popey> still wierd
[14:23] <davmor2> Myrtti: don't get blagged by them.  Stick with pukka yorkshire tea
[14:23] <Myrtti> oh you don't know even half of it
[14:24] <bigcalm> Yorkshire Hard Water tea FTW
[14:24] <Myrtti> yup
[14:24] <Myrtti> tis lovely
[14:24] <bigcalm> Which I keep calling Heavy Water
[14:30] <Myrtti> I'm considering using the individually wrapped as *ahem* party favours for guests.
[14:30] <Myrtti> with some 'Finnish' teas
[14:33] <popey> went to a wedding at the weekend, favours were glass jars of sweets
[14:33] <popey> girls had white chocolate buttons with sprinkles on them, boys had jelly babiesw
[14:33] <popey> no, wine gums
[14:33] <Myrtti> yeah well a lot of our guests will be flying in so I'm trying to keep the weight of the favours small
[14:34] <popey> oh these were all eaten ☻
[14:34] <popey> very little weight left
[14:34] <Myrtti> mm
[14:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:36] <bigcalm> I think we ended up not doing favours. popey: can you remember?
[14:36] <bigcalm> We had a sweet cart and cake that peeps took away with them if they wanted
[14:37] <popey> yes, i remember lots of sweets
[14:37] <bigcalm> Hayley wanted to do the teabag idea, but ran out of time
[14:37] <bigcalm> I occasionally think about the wedding and then instantly want another hog roast
[14:38] <Myrtti> I've contacted Yorkshire if their importer has the one bag things in Finland
[14:38] <bigcalm> Myrtti: are you having the wedding in FI or UK?
[14:38] <Myrtti> Finland, otherwise it were easier
[14:39] <Myrtti> for the favours-wise
[14:39] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:39] <Myrtti> but most of the other stuff seems to be cheaper in Finland
[14:39] <Myrtti> at least to the level of readyness that I'm looking for
[14:40] <bigcalm> Humm. I must have spent my euros in the wrong parts of Finland then :
[14:40] <bigcalm> S
[14:41] <Myrtti> yeah well this is a parish camp/conference centre, so their prices aren't at extortion level. Most expensive menu is 30,50€ a plate, venue is about 520
[14:42] <Myrtti> and the lodging for the guests is depending on the room 40-50€ a night per face
[14:43] <bigcalm> Nice
[14:43] <Myrtti> lakeside place, so they've got lakeside sauna lodge and everything
[14:43] <Myrtti> hopefully it's cold enough that the lake is frozen over
[14:43] <bigcalm> Drool
[14:43] <Myrtti> oh, and a hot tub too.
[14:44] <bigcalm> Though that does mean not using the lake as a plunge pool after having a sauna
[14:44] <Myrtti> there's always snow :-P
[14:45] <bigcalm> Ah yes, I forget that Finland have proper winters
[14:45] <Myrtti> http://www.saaksmaenseurakunta.fi/pappilanniemi/pappilanniemi/pappilanniemi_in_english/?id=1025
[14:45] <bigcalm> Cool
[14:46] <diddledan> "proper winters" :-p
[14:46] <Myrtti> diddledan, shush.
[14:46] <Myrtti> true last winter wasn't the snowiest ever, but there was some snow, for a tiny amount of time...
[14:49] <bigcalm> My Finish winters were in Oulu or further north. I'm guessing they still got snow
[14:50] <diddledan> sweeden in movies and tv shows seems to get a poo-load of snow
[14:50] <diddledan> e.g. original girl-with-the-dragoon-tatoo movie
[14:51] <diddledan> speaking of which, how annoying is it that steig larsson died without writing more books about her ?! :-(
[14:52] <diddledan> I live in hope that someone else will come up with a compelling continuation to the story
[14:53] <daftykins> diddledan: very inconsiderate of him i say
[14:53] <daftykins> i did enjoy those books
[14:53] <diddledan> me too
[14:53] <daftykins> less so #3 that stayed in court a lot, yet it still managed to hold my interest
[14:55] <Myrtti> oh btw to repeat myself from few days back. The Honourable Woman. Oh man. Watch it, if you haven't yet. Get it. It's available atleast on Amazon Prime and Google Play and whatnot.
[14:55] <Myrtti> is amazin
[14:57] <diddledan> Myrtti: thanks for the heads-up - that does look like it's gonna be an interesting watch
[14:58] <Myrtti> I nabbed it from iPlayer when it still was there
[14:58] <daftykins> series? film?
[15:00] <Myrtti> series
[15:01] <Myrtti> 8 parts
[15:44] <ujjain> what is the best site to sell 2nd hand it things? I want to sell my 2560x1440 monitor
[15:46] <Myrtti> gumtree, facebook
[15:46] <intrbiz> ebay
[15:46] <Myrtti> freegle
[15:46] <Myrtti> although that's for giving stuff away
[15:47] <diddledan> ebay
[15:47] <ujjain> ah ok, i have it on gumtree, but doesnt seem to be popular for monitors,
[15:47] <ujjain> not a single 2560x1440 monitor listing
[15:47] <ujjain> i'll do ebay, but I only have 12 reviews on my profile, 0 as a seller
[15:47] <ujjain> thanks
[15:48] <diddledan> ujjain: what size monitor?
[15:52] <popey> http://m.gumtree.com/p/computer-monitors/x-star-dp2710-led-tempered-glass-27-2560x1440-samsung-pls-27inch-dvi-pc-monitor/1080655237
[15:53] <popey> that one?
[18:30]  * smittix yawns
[18:30]  * daftykins joins in
[18:42] <smittix> o/
[18:44] <mapps> O_o
[18:44] <mapps> cant wait  to move..weeeeeeeeee 23rd 06;25 :D
[18:44] <mapps> living in the sun for once
[18:44] <mapps> yay
[18:48] <daftykins> :)
[18:48] <daftykins> good luck, i can't cope with heat ;)
[18:48] <davmor2> mapps: you know it rain there all the time right?
[18:48] <mapps> hahaha
[18:48] <mapps> im sure it doesnt
[18:48] <davmor2> no all the time ;)
[18:49] <mapps> bit annoying its so early
[18:49] <daftykins> finally tidied up the laundry
[18:49] <daftykins> damn that was hard work
[18:49] <mapps> but work paying for the taxi anyway
[18:49] <mapps> :)
[18:49] <daftykins> :D
[18:51] <smittix> Can anyone recommend any Python books?
[18:52] <jpds> smittix: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
[18:54] <smittix> jpds: Awesome, Thanks!
[19:03] <davmor2> smittix: +1
[19:04] <davmor2> smittix: there is also some pretty nice python videos from google on youtube too iirc
[19:05] <davmor2> smittix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTZoB2Vjuk
[19:06] <smittix> I struggle with the GUI stuff using glade
[19:06] <daftykins> i can only think of glade as an air freshener
[19:07] <smittix> heh
[19:07] <smittix> I have also tried Anjuta
[19:27] <mapps> my raspberry pi works well
[19:27] <mapps> got squid and dansguardin and openvpn running on it
[19:27] <mapps> yay
[19:58] <SuperMatt> ok, it looks like I might be moving to a rolling release distro D:
[19:58] <SuperMatt> I like Ubuntu so much, but I want to be more bleeding edge!
[19:59] <SuperMatt> at the moment I'm looking mostly at opensuse factory
[20:55] <smittix> taken me around 2 hours to get this far heh My own wargames - Game
[20:55] <smittix> http://fpaste.org/132930/14104688/
[20:55] <smittix> Well the start of it anyway


[14:02] <tmkt_> Any easy fix to mythtranscode crashing when I try to do HLS?
[14:03] <tmkt_> ever since doing a clean install of 12.04
[14:03] <tmkt_> i can't use torc to watch my recordings or vids
[14:31] <rhpot1991> tmkt_: running the latest autobuilds?
[14:47] <tmkt_> rhpot1991: yeah
[14:53] <tmkt_>  http://pastebin.com/4tZHKPP7
[14:54] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] Dec 12 09:48:14 Napa mythlogserver: mythtranscode[17568]: N CoreContext main.cpp - Pastebin.com
[15:00] <tmkt_> running the command manually /usr/bin/mythtranscode --hls --hlsstreamid 102 --verbose general --loglevel info --syslog local7
[15:03] <tmkt_> if i use torc to start the stream..it just hangs, but if i ssh to the server and run that command manually everything is happy
[15:04] <tmkt_> permission issue it seems just have to track down where
[15:06] <tmkt_> ran as mythtv it craps out..ran as root it works
[15:06] <tmkt_> now just have to track down what dir is the issue
[15:10] <tmkt_> chmod -R 777 /home/mythtv /home/myth
[15:10] <tmkt_> not the best solution but does the job
[15:49] <superm1> tmkt_: so it was a permissions issue on your videos directory?
[15:50] <superm1> you used a non standard videos directory or something?
[16:32] <tgm4883> dmfrey, ping
[16:32] <dmfrey> tgm4883, how's it going?
[16:32] <tgm4883> dmfrey, pretty good. I know I asked you this before, but can you check if /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml is a symlink to /etc/mythtv/config.xml?
[16:34] <dmfrey> yes, under /home/mythtv/.mythtv it is symlinked
[16:34] <tgm4883> ok
[18:07] <tgm4883> happy 12/12/12, or as you non-americans say, 12/12/12
[18:17] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: isn't today the end of the world?
[18:17] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no, that is around the 21st I think
[18:17] <rhpot1991> oh ok
[18:17] <tgm4883> you've got time
[18:17] <rhpot1991> I thought it was all 12s
[18:17] <rhpot1991> oh well
[18:18] <rhpot1991> also all dates should be year first
[18:18] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, oh you mean like 12/12/12?
[18:18] <rhpot1991> I like writing them that way even when they say *mm/dd/yyyy"
[18:18] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: 2012-12-12 is how I'd write it
[18:18] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, 12-12-12 then, or 12-12-12?
[18:19] <tgm4883> or the real crazy, 12-12-12
[18:19] <tgm4883> not sure why anyone would use that one though ;)
[18:19] <rhpot1991> heh


[02:36] <Ahmuck> hi.  i have LANGUAGE= & LANG = set to español.  This however causes problems with spell check.  How can I activate en=US spell check within a document that I need spell checking for in english and then in spanish?
[07:55] <bjorn_> Hi, im a new lubuntu user. I would like my power management to start by defalut upon login. How can I fix this?
[08:51] <Ascavasaion> whenever I plug my Samsung phone in the Lubuntu machine mounts the phone but there are nothing but empty folders.  any ideas?
[09:40] <nalleman> hi, my lubuntu distro just messed up. I was running apt-get update or upgrade and my computer got a power failure, now my network manager dont work, i cant find any network. neither wifi or ethernet.
[09:58] <nalleman> what files should I backup before reinstallation to get my desktop preserved?
[21:31] <Dam_> Bonjour
[21:31] <Dam_> Y'as quelqu'un ?
[23:12] <aalp4> hi
[23:12] <aalp4> can anyone give a tip on autologging into awesomewm in lubuntu?
[23:13] <aalp4> i know i have to create an .xinitrc, and put a startx command in a file somwhere, but i lost the tutorial where it shows exactly what to do
[23:41] <ianorlin> aalp4 you may be able to find it in your web history if you look back depending on how long ago it was
[23:42] <aalp4> it was on an erased partition ianorlin :/
[23:42] <aalp4> *now erased
[23:43] <aalp4> i remember now that i put the startx command in either .bash_profile or .bashrc
[23:43] <aalp4> don't remember how...
[23:43] <ianorlin> try and find it on google?
[23:43] <aalp4> that's what i've been doing
[23:47] <ianorlin> how long ago was this you saw this setup?
[23:48] <aalp4> oh boy... maybe a year ago
[23:49] <aalp4> ianorlin
[23:49] <aalp4> it was a weird workaround of editing 4 or 5 text files to get awesomewm to autologin
[23:49] <aalp4> but it worked like a charm
[23:50] <ianorlin> I read that deleting nodisplay=true was needed to get awesome to show up in lightdm but haven't tried autologin to it
[23:50] <aalp4> yeah, i'm aware of that too
[23:50] <ianorlin> I think you would need to edit lightdm configuration to get it to autologin
[23:50] <aalp4> hmm


[00:08]  * nalioth thinks nickrud is asking to be poster child for "how to set a banforward to ##fix_your_connection"
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I had to make a service call this am...  they could not get the network up..  The cleaning crew's vacuum had eaten the cat5's when they decided to clean behind the server
[00:12] <Jack_Sparrow> they then pulled the pieces from the vacuum, and threw them back behind the box
[01:16] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: at least they gave them back
[01:16] <mneptok> "your network's down? that sucks."
[02:04] <nickrud> if anyones around, please highlight me
[02:05] <nickrud> nm
[02:09] <nalioth> nickrud: nickrud: nickrud: nickrud: nickrud:
[02:10] <nickrud> nalioth thanks.  Nom.
[02:34] <nickrud> I think so to. It's hard to find a fresh flakey croissant here.
[02:34] <nickrud> they are SOGGY
[07:51]  * jussi01 wakes up
[07:59] <Flannel> ompaul: When you joined #ubuntu, did you get a query from CrakdUp?
[07:59]  * ompaul pokes ikonia in the ribs
[07:59]  * ompaul grins
[08:00] <ompaul> Flannel, not as yet
[08:00] <ompaul> still lagged
[08:04] <ompaul> !staff | CrakdUp> i found it on @ http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com
[08:04] <ompaul> arrrrrr
[08:04] <Flannel> Look at ompaul, acting all fancy and making me look bad
[08:04] <ompaul> !staff | CrakdUp --  i found it on @ http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com
[08:05] <ompaul> that was an onjoin spam and they were not in channel have fun :)
[08:05] <Flannel> ompaul: They were in the channel when you joined
[08:05] <ompaul> lovely I am lagged
[08:07] <Flannel> isn't myrttis bot supposed to take care of that?  Or is it just a honeypot?
[08:07] <ompaul> honeypot
[08:07] <ompaul> afik
[08:07] <ompaul> not much point in having it notify the world it is the killer :)
[08:14]  * ompaul looks at time
[08:20] <ompaul> ok I am going to do my saturday morning clear out this morning like it was saturday morning
[08:24] <ompaul> I overcooked it and hit sunday as well arrrr
[08:24]  * ompaul repremands self
[08:24] <Flannel> ompaul: stop talking jibberish
[08:26] <ompaul> Flannel, you have no idea what you are facing here - that is my native tongue
[08:27] <Flannel> ompaul: From what I hear, English as a Second Language has come a long way
[08:27] <ompaul> Flannel, you don't say
[08:27] <ompaul> ;-0
[08:27] <ompaul> hehe
[08:27] <Flannel> ompaul: There may be hope for you yet
[08:28] <ompaul> Flannel, Bob Hope, or no hope?
[08:28]  * ompaul chuckles
[08:28] <Flannel> could become a contributing member of society even.
[08:28] <ompaul> right I am out of here back Sunday
[08:28] <Flannel> ompaul: Yes, Bob Hope
[08:28] <ompaul> Flannel, NEVAAAAAAAA
[08:29]  * ompaul bzip2s society and removes the source directory
[08:29] <ompaul> no more contribs there I tell ya
[08:29] <ompaul> as I said see ye sunday
[08:29] <Flannel> Have fun
[08:29] <ompaul> you bed I lrl ....
[08:29] <ompaul> will
[08:29] <ompaul> :)
[08:29] <ompaul> what
[08:29] <ompaul> you bet I will at lrl
[08:30]  * ompaul removes fingers from keyboard and uses mouse
[09:00] <wgrant> We'll need staff, I suspect.
[09:01] <wgrant> Or not.
[09:55] <gnomefreak> jpds: are you a fridge.ubuntu editor?
[10:29] <dmseg> hello, i hope pricechild has told you about why iam here
[10:38] <jussi01> dmseg: perhaps you care to enlighten us?
[10:39] <dmseg> jussi01: i wanted to join the ubuntu irc team i contacted pricechild so he told me he talked to you about me being an op in one of the ubuntu irc channels
[10:41] <jpds> gnomefreak: No, I am not.
[10:42] <jpds> gnomefreak: However, I complete list of Fridge editors may be found here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge
[10:44] <gnomefreak> jpds: thanks
[10:44] <jpds> s/I/A/
[10:44] <gnomefreak> cody decided not to add my meetings so i figured i would find someone else :)
[10:45] <jpds> gnomefreak: You could try mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or poke nix-ternal.
[10:46] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking nix-ternal but i havent seen him in a few days (ive been offline gue to afternoon heat it raises the temp in here to be unbearable at times
[10:46] <gnomefreak> nixternal: whne you get here can you please ping me.
[10:47] <jpds> gnomefreak: /query?
[10:47]  * gnomefreak wonderws if i shoudl just join the team
[10:49]  * dmseg is still wating for jussi01to respond
[10:51] <gnomefreak> a story, if i wanted to write stories i would be writing books :(
[10:51] <jussi01> dmseg: hesaidto talk to us? or me in particular?
[10:52] <Flannel> gnomefreak: So, you make a point to not ping him, and then purposefully ping him one line later?
[10:52] <jussi01> Flannel: rofl
[10:53] <gnomefreak> Flannel: thought about it afterwards
[10:53] <gnomefreak> its early
[10:53] <gnomefreak> jussi01: run
[10:53] <gnomefreak> save yourself
[10:53] <dmseg> jussi01: perhaps anyone avialble might be able to tell me
[10:53] <jussi01> gnomefreak: from?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> one line up ;)
[10:53] <dmseg> gnomefreak: you know the rules dont paste like that
[10:54] <jussi01> dmseg: in my experience, those who ask for ops are usually the last to be considered for it
[10:54] <gnomefreak> dmseg: what?
[10:54] <dmseg> jussi01: heh bye woosh!!!
[10:54]  * gnomefreak doesnt paste often and i know the rules alot better than most people
[10:54] <gnomefreak> mainly him
[10:54] <jussi01> right then...
[10:54]  * Flannel doesn't understand the last five lines.
[10:54] <Flannel> or, half of them, at least.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> anyone care to explain WTH he thinks he is doing?
[10:55] <jussi01> gnomefreak: who? dmseg?
[10:55] <Flannel> gnomefreak: He thinks he's becoming an operator.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> yes dms
[10:55] <gnomefreak> g
[10:55] <jussi01> gnomefreak: he wants to be an op - he is 14 and well...
[10:55] <gnomefreak> seeing as he is pushing it i would say no but im not on the IRCC
[10:56] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Have you not heard of him before?
[10:56] <jussi01> gnomefreak: its a long story - you kind of needed to see it...
[10:56] <Flannel> s/heard of/interacted with/
[10:56] <gnomefreak> someone needs to burst his bubble. give me permissions and i will be glad to :)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> last i heard with him was auditing
[10:56] <jussi01> Flannel: what is your tz?
[10:56] <Flannel> jussi01: its 3am for me right now.  P(D|S)T
[10:57] <jussi01> Flannel:hrm, americas somewhere then?
[10:57] <Flannel> Aye.  California
[10:57] <jussi01> :)
[10:57]  * jussi01 thinks we have well enough ops already in most channels
[10:58] <jussi01> just some aussie timezone ones could help i guess
[10:58] <Flannel> well, depending on the day, I'm practically an aussie TZ-er
[10:58] <Flannel> if you believe in xkcd that is
[10:58] <jussi01> rofl
[10:59] <jussi01> ok, well im off for a bit then, bye all
[11:03] <gnomefreak> jussi01: i see most of the au girls/maybe a guy or 2 when i get up but im not sure hos here over night (night here)
[11:04] <gnomefreak> is there a such package to convert money > money? like pounds to $ and so on
[11:04] <jpds> Oh Lord.
[11:04] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:05] <jpds> jussi01: ...
[11:05] <jpds> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28242/
[11:05] <gnomefreak> 0.90 i was thinking that is like half of a pount
[11:05] <gnomefreak> pound
[11:05] <gnomefreak> wtf
[11:05] <gnomefreak> hes not staff
[11:05] <gnomefreak> nor op
[11:06] <jpds> I'm op there tho.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> dmesg looks like hes impersonating a staffer (last i checked that is a big no no
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ).
[11:08] <Flannel> gnomefreak: indeed it is.
[11:08]  * jpds wonders if it would be worth it talking to him in private.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> i would say let someone from staff see that and let them know. although they dont remove k-line people for minor infractions but i feel its a bit worse. Let him no he keeps it up gnomefreak will start banning his butt
[11:08] <Flannel> gnomefreak: there's "units" but I don't think that does money (because theyre not really fixed)
[11:09] <Flannel> jpds: Probably the best course f action.  Even if nothing comes out of it, you can show you tried when later it escilates.
[11:09] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:09] <gnomefreak> save that pastebin page incase we end up in front of CC again
[11:10] <Flannel> gnomefreak: yeah, in units you can define your own, but those'll be obsolete in X (where X is probably not longenough to be worth while)
[11:10] <gnomefreak> im leaning towards he is a <word we cant use anymore> :(
[11:11] <Flannel> gnomefreak: google's convert works fine though.
[11:11] <gnomefreak> Flannel: i can use google
[11:11] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:11] <gnomefreak> get out of my head ;)
[11:11] <gnomefreak> be back need smoke and to  think
[11:11] <Flannel> gnomefreak: "1 british pound to dollars" for instance.
[11:12] <jpds> Hmm, I live my mail for a few days and all these mailing lists go haywire.
[11:12] <jpds> leave*
[11:14] <Flannel> gnomefreak: See this channel log on 7/03 for some talk (both as dmseg and dmesg): http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/03/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[11:16]  * Flannel knows there was more than that.
[11:20] <Tm_T> Flannel: time?
[11:20] <Flannel> gnomefreak: ah.  The 11th and 12th are good ones as well.
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: 11:50ish
[11:20] <gnomefreak> is the start
[11:21] <Flannel> actually, that's not really an issue (just only had half the month in my logs).  Let me compile a list
[11:22] <Flannel> 10th at 11ish, 11th at 1420 and 1630, 12th at 1300+
[11:22] <gnomefreak> might i suggest he doesnt get ops
[11:22] <Flannel> and the rest are all references to those, mostly.
[11:23] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I'm fairly certain you won't need to worry
[11:23] <jpds> gnomefreak: Way ahead of you. :)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> just saying no isnt gonna be enough he is still gonna be trolling and annoying as hell
[11:24] <gnomefreak> qoute me on that when the time comes
[11:24] <gnomefreak> quote
[11:25] <gnomefreak> we really ant use that log for much of anything
[11:25] <gnomefreak> s/ant/cant
[11:26] <Flannel> I believe his original request was for ops in #ubuntu-in (his LoCo channel)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> it was
[11:26] <gnomefreak> who is contact?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> GOSUB??
[11:27] <jpds> GOSUB according to ChanServ
[11:28] <Flannel> g0sub according to the wiki
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ill be back soon. breakfast than cut grass
[13:56] <bazhang> dmesg again? saw him saying 'hi, I am new to ubuntu' earlier
[13:57] <bazhang> although this could have been dmseg (confuse the two at times)
[14:06] <Pici> No, it was dmseg
[14:07]  * Pici sighs
[14:09] <Pici> Hrm.
[14:27] <Daviey> does anyone have ompauls mobile number?
[14:28] <Pici> Not I/
[14:35]  * Mez is at Wolverhampton
[14:42] <Mez> as is Myrtti
[14:43] <Pici> Hi Mez! Hi Myrtti!
[14:43] <Mez> Myrttis down in her room though
[14:43] <Pici> Say hi to her for me then!
[14:43] <Mez> up in her room 8
[14:43] <Pici> down or up? Which is it?
[14:43] <Mez> up
[14:43] <Mez> shes on 3rd floor
[14:43] <Mez> Im on second
[14:44] <Mez> I have a view of a wall, she has a view of the venue
[14:44]  * Mez has a free breakfast tomorrow though
[14:44] <Mez> am dealing
[14:45] <Mez> you should have forwarded him here imo
[14:45] <Pici> I did
[14:46] <Mez> oh, sory
[14:46]  * Mez slaps forehead
[14:51] <Pici> Hes doing it in #django too
[14:52] <Pici> I notified one of the ops there of it
[14:56] <Pici> and #gentoo
[14:59]  * Tm_T slaps Myrtti
[15:14] <Mez> Tm_T, she gets you a job and you godamn slap her?
[15:16] <Myrtti> don't slap me
[15:19] <Tm_T> it was gentle one?
[15:19]  * Tm_T hides
[15:19] <Mez> run for your life
[15:20] <Tm_T> doing it atm :(
[15:29] <Myrtti> ♥
[15:33] <Tm_T> hug me?
[15:33]  * Myrtti hugs Tm_T
[15:33]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti <3
[15:34] <Myrtti> :-P
[15:34] <Myrtti> -->
[16:43] <Pici> !prayer
[16:51] <jpds> !ftp
[17:41] <Pici> !ping
[18:46]  * PriceChild waves
[18:46]  * Pici waves to PriceChild
[18:47] <Seeker`> PriceChild hows the job?
[18:48] <PriceChild> Good, has been a great first week :)
[18:48] <PriceChild> And the travelling there and back isn't too bad either
[19:12] <PriceChild> Seeker`: off to lrl?
[19:28] <Gary> PriceChild: you have a new job?
[19:28] <Pici> wow, gary said something
[19:28]  * Gary nibbles Pici
[19:28] <Pici> Gazzak ;)
[20:47] <PriceChild> Gary!! :) Where've you been? And where will you be this weekend?
[20:49] <Gary> working and at home recovering (and at a relations party on sunday)
[20:49] <Gary> cannot make lrl
[20:49] <Gary> :'(
[20:49] <PriceChild> Gary: silly you :)
[20:49] <PriceChild> Gary: Yup, I have a great new job :)
[20:49] <Gary> woooo
[20:49] <Gary> where?
[20:49] <PriceChild> Bru,
[20:49] <PriceChild> Brum
[20:50] <Gary> cool, you could come up to Nottingham to come see me?
[20:50] <PriceChild> Or you could come down to Wolvo to see us? :P
[20:51] <Gary> I'm in Essex this weekend
[20:51] <PriceChild> Up to anything fun?
[20:53] <Gary> well, thats not for this channel :p
[20:54] <PriceChild> tut tut
[21:11] <Seeker`> PriceChild: nope, i'm not going to lrl
[21:11]  * Seeker` bbl
[21:40] <PriceChild> Hmm so what happenned with the bots then.
[21:41] <Flannel> They were sleeping
[21:41] <PriceChild> I think things should be fixed now.
[21:41] <PriceChild> I 'think' one of them thought there were still splits going on.
[21:41] <Gary> I only did a nickname ban
[21:41] <nalioth> klined
[21:42]  * nalioth hates to see rooted boxen
[21:42] <Gary> cheers nal
[21:43] <Gary> hehe - 21:40 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with etahax0r
[21:43] <Gary> 21:40 <etahax0r> DICKTITS
[22:21] <PriceChild> Flannel: things ok?
[22:21] <Flannel> PriceChild: Er... is this a check up? or are you saying they shouldn't be?
[22:21] <PriceChild> just checking
[22:22] <Flannel> Yep.  Things are good
[22:22] <PriceChild> coolios
[22:55]  * jussi01 walks in
[23:12]  * mneptok walks into the floor lamp
[23:27] <jussi01> mneptok: you ok?
[23:27] <jussi01> did you hit your head?
[23:28]  * jussi01 hands mneptok an icepack
[23:36]  * jussi01 goes to bed
[23:36] <jussi01> nini


[13:35] <YoBoY> hi
[13:38] <YoBoY> One of our locoteam partern wants to promote ubuntu to their costumers and use the ubuntu logo on tshirts, someone have an idea to where they have to ask the autorisation to do that ?
[16:24] <YoBoY> hi jono, do you have some time for a question ?
[16:28] <jono> YoBoY, hey, on the phone
[16:28] <jono> feel free to type though
[16:29] <YoBoY> One of our locoteam partern wants to promote ubuntu to their costumers and use the ubuntu logo on tshirts, someone have an idea to where they have to ask the autorisation to do that ?
[16:29] <YoBoY> s/someone/do you/
[16:29] <YoBoY> this partener is Gandi (french registrar)
[18:32] <YoBoY> jono ?
[18:35] <jono> YoBoY, hey
[18:35] <jono> if it is used for commercial use
[18:35] <jono> such as company or product merch, they should mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:41] <YoBoY> jono : the project if to sell tshirts and to promote the project (ubuntu) with the money they raise with that, it's part of their campaign gamdi soutien : https://www.gandi.net/soutient/?lang=en
[18:43] <jono> YoBoY, so the money raised is donated to Ubuntu?
[18:43] <jono> YoBoY, I recommend they contact trademarks to double check
[18:43] <jono> thanks!
[18:44] <YoBoY> ok, I'll tell them that, thanks you :)


[12:05] <GR8WENT> sorry /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[12:08] <iGotNoTime> How do I make a .bin file work?
[12:08] <iGotNoTime> install?
[12:09] <iGotNoTime> nevermind I think I found help :)
[12:44] <iGotNoTime> Can anyone explain how to get Java to work?
[12:44] <iGotNoTime> no rush I am out and about looking for it :)
[12:48] <GR8WENT> start here: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s02.html
[12:48] <iGotNoTime> Yes I am there
[12:49] <iGotNoTime> GR8WENT, thank you
[12:49] <GR8WENT> np
[01:47] <iGotNoTime> with Edubuntu can someone from this room SSH into my computer and adjust a setting I can't get or as that not possible?
[01:47] <iGotNoTime> just an example, not asking for help :)
[02:02] <Cyorxamp> Hi folks, debian has a 'minimal cd for network install' (under 50mb cd) - does ubuntu have something similar for download?
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> negative
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> like a micro package such as DSL or something?
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> not that I have seen but the website is not exactly in my head yet, maybe #ubuntu would know?
[03:21] <iGotNoTime> I have been trying this for almost 30 minutes now. Can someone please tell me the way to change permissions in SSH? I have been trying this : sudo chmod -R 0777 /et
[03:21] <iGotNoTime> oops  * /etc
[07:30] <teamchachi> I've got a few question about LTSP and Edubuntu.  Anybody around?