[00:00] <hallyn> yeah, as in the nick on this channel :)
[00:01] <hallyn> (bug 902237 is the one)
[00:01] <zul> k
[00:02] <kaushal> I am hit with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/548617
[00:04] <hallyn> i guess at this point i should resign myself to writing a ncftool manpage soon.  maybe this weekend.
[00:08] <Lcawte> Oh, and final question from me tonight, can servers be run without a monitor attached?
[00:11] <Lcawte> I know whenever I try it on a desktop edition of Ubuntu it just crashes...
[00:20] <hallyn> Lcawte: yes, definately they can
[00:20]  * hallyn out
[00:20] <Lcawte> Good, is it easy to do (ie a simple command or just unplugging the screen?)
[00:54] <IrishGringo> i am kind of new to ubuntu...
[00:55] <IrishGringo> I am trying to Su into ubuntu... and it wont let me
[00:55] <IrishGringo> I wan tto install some software
[00:55] <IrishGringo> so what is the routine?
[00:55] <IrishGringo> I wan tot apt-get install erlyvideo
[00:58] <kaushal> Hi
[00:58] <kaushal> Please suggest about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-December/006020.html
[01:17] <SpamapS> IrishGringo: sudo apt-get install erlyvideo
[01:29] <soren> hallyn: I'd probably make it a "Recommends:" instead.
[01:30] <IrishGringo> SpamapS: I was able to install it with the script in instructions
[01:30] <IrishGringo> useing sudo
[01:30] <IrishGringo> anyone have experience using erlyvideo/ or any video streaming?
[01:47] <IrishGringo> I may wan to add ftp to this ubuntu server...  are there options better than ftp?
[01:47] <IrishGringo> where I can use filezilla?
[01:48] <qman__> sftp
[01:48] <qman__> IMO, ftp should not be used by anyone, for anything, ever
[01:49] <qman__> and there's no excuse for it anymore, now that sftp is easy to set up and use
[01:51] <IrishGringo> qman__: how do I install it?  apt-get sftp?
[01:51] <qman__> apt-get install openssh-server
[01:52] <qman__> by default, all users have normal sftp access to the system
[01:53] <qman__> you can further restrict who has access or set up chroots in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:53] <qman__> be aware that this also enables ssh by default
[01:55] <IrishGringo> I am sftp into the box... very cool
[01:55] <jvargas> hi
[01:55] <IrishGringo> erlyvideo...   does anyone have expereince with it?
[01:57] <jvargas> My company is growing and we can't have user accounts separated on every host, every server and every application or service. In Windows one could just setup an ActiveDirectory server for thatm, and have multiple services and hosts authenticating against it.
[01:57] <qman__> OpenLDAP
[01:57] <jvargas> Wht would be the best alternative to centralize authentication using a linux server and both windows and ubuntu desktop clients?
[01:58] <qman__> windows clients are going to be the problem
[01:58] <qman__> you need stuff like samba and winbind and kerberos, and getting it to play nice with active directory is a pain at best
[01:58] <qman__> if NT4-style domains are good enough, samba 3 can handle it
[01:59] <jvargas> i won't use a windows server at all, there are only linux desktops, and some windows virtual machines used for testing and legacy software.
[01:59] <qman__> I'd bite the bullet on the windows machines and just go straight linux then
[02:00] <qman__> way more trouble than it's worth if you don't have more than a few
[02:00] <jvargas> I was reading OpenLDAPServer wiki and found nothing about windows.
[02:00] <qman__> that's because OpenLDAP doesn't do windows
[02:00] <qman__> samba does
[02:01] <qman__> and integrating the whole mess is a task which is not for the weak
[02:01] <qman__> however, if you just go linux to linux, you can set up just openLDAP
[02:02] <jvargas> Well, there are some samba shares used across all offices, and current authentication is using smbpasswd, not external You mean that I can chain samba to authenticate against openldap? and also windows to authenticathe through samba?
[02:03] <qman__> getting windows connected is hard
[02:03] <qman__> if NT4-level of domains is acceptable, it's not too bad
[02:03] <qman__> but IIRC that only works reasonably well up to XP and 2003
[02:03] <jvargas> ok, let's discard windows at all.
[02:03] <qman__> newer versions of windows require significant modification to work without a complicated kerberos setup
[02:04] <qman__> without windows, you can set up a standard openLDAP network, get your clients authenticating, and then configure samba to authenticate against it
[02:04] <jvargas> that's cool.
[02:05] <qman__> while nontrivial, it's significantly less complicated than if you add in windows clients
[02:05] <jvargas> and from the desktop client side, does it requires hacking a lot into config files for every workstation, or in ubuntu it could be easier?
[02:05] <qman__> each workstation will need to be configured to authenticate against the LDAP server
[02:05] <qman__> however, you can script it
[02:06] <qman__> and if you preseed your clients or similar, you can include it in your new setups
[02:06] <qman__> basically the client needs to install the ldap client, then configure pam to use it, and make sure that the local user configuration doesn't interfere
[02:06] <jvargas> ok, in real life unified authentication works like this? I mean, they use OpenLDAP as server and desktops linux and apps authenticate against it?
[02:06] <qman__> and the latter is best done by making sure the ldap network uses high uids
[02:07] <qman__> except for special cases, everything in linux authenticates against pam
[02:07] <qman__> so all you need to do is configure pam
[02:08] <qman__> client configuration is very simple once your network is set up
[02:08] <jvargas> there is another important question, what if the client is a notebook and not connected to network? Can I chain the authentication procedure to fall back to normal local login?
[02:08] <qman__> yes
[02:08] <qman__> in pam, you can configure it to accept both network and local logins
[02:12] <jvargas> ok, i will dig a bit about that right now.
[02:14] <qman__> a tip from personal experience
[02:14] <qman__> whenever you are modifying pam configuration, leave a root terminal open
[02:15] <qman__> because if you accidentally break it, you won't be able to log in
[02:15] <qman__> and you won't be able to sudo
[02:19] <jvargas> good one!
[02:55] <hallyn> soren: ok, that was my original plan, will stick with that then.  thx
[04:28] <twb> What's acpi-support called these days?
[04:43] <kaushal> Please suggest about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-December/006020.html
[05:04] <gemini420> hi there - having a weird issue with bind9, where the root servers are always the AUTHORITY
[05:04] <gemini420> anyone seen this issue before
[05:04] <gemini420> ?
[05:06] <gemini420> if i take the local ip out of resolv.conf and leave just the forwarder DNS, then dig uses the upstream DNS
[05:08] <gemini420> as expected
[05:09] <gemini420> but when the dns cache is setup, all local dns queries go out to the root servers
[05:09] <twb> I didn't think dig used resolv.conf at all
[05:09] <twb> If you just want a caching resolver, I recommend unbound rather than bind
[05:09] <gemini420> resolve conf set the DNS, and adding a localhost IP enables the dns cache
[05:10] <gemini420> i want master using bind9, but ran into this weirdness
[05:12] <gemini420> thanks twb for your suggestion
[05:12] <twb> unbound and nsd are resolver and server respectively; bind tries to do both in one tool and IMO that makes it much more confusing and icky
[05:14] <gemini420> i have an existing bind9 setup and am familier with it, so ...
[05:14] <gemini420> i am hoping to fix this weirdness
[08:23] <soren> hallyn: Any particular reason you wanted to make it a hard dependency? As a Recommends:, it'll get pulled in automatically, but can be removed explicitly. That seems ideal to me, but perhaps I'm missing something.
[08:23] <hallyn> soren: no as long as it gets installed automatically i'm happy
[08:24] <soren> hallyn: Great!
[08:24] <hallyn> I'll push an update to do that tomorrow
[08:25] <hallyn> i really need to find me an amd box for qemu testing
[09:48] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:55] <e_t_> Hello koolhead11
[09:56] <koolhead11> hi e_t_
[11:13] <Daviey> rbasak: Do you want to sign up for some of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-arm-service-orchestration items?
[11:14] <rbasak> Daviey: I assumed I was already by default? Though I'm not sure quite what I'm signing up for yet, I've started playing with juju (not on ARM yet though)
[11:19] <funkymonk> how do i check if my server box is blocking LAN connections?
[11:24] <Daviey> rbasak: nah, the default is assigned to ~ubuntu-server
[11:24] <Daviey> our are just the drafter :)
[11:24] <Daviey> you are*
[11:28] <RoyK> funkymonk: ?
[11:33] <funkymonk> yes
[11:33] <funkymonk> RoyK: yes?
[11:37] <RoyK> what do you mean blocking lan connections?
[11:39] <patdk-lap> iptables?
[11:40] <RoyK> patdk-lap: since ufw/iptables must be enabled by the user, I wanted to know what he meant :P
[11:42] <funkymonk> RoyK: Sorry this channel has been a bit slow so i've asked over in #ubuntu
[11:43] <RoyK> funkymonk: you never asked a clear question, so it's not really strange noone has bothered to answer
[11:43] <funkymonk> RoyK: I know I;m sorry just trying to get the terminology correct
[11:44] <funkymonk> basically i can ssh and visit the webste using the public address but if i use internal IP address e.g. <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:45] <funkymonk> then nothing appears to work
[11:45] <RoyK> you haven't said anything about how your network is configured, on which network the server and client is, etc
[11:46] <patdk-lap> royk, lost your crystal ball?
[11:47] <RoyK> yeah, or my temper, or both
[11:54] <funkymonk> lol sorry guys
[11:55] <funkymonk> server: ubuntu 11.10 server edition. clients: win7 and windows 7 all three boxes are wirelessly connected to a single cable router
[12:05] <muhqu> hey, Is here someone in charge of http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ ? It's like one of its assigned IPs (<IP_ADDRESS>) doesn't serve the package repository… it's empty
[12:15] <rbasak> utlemming, smoser: ^^
[12:16] <rbasak> they probably won't be in for a few hours yet though
[12:22] <muhqu> rbasak: ok.. I just wanted to let you guys know… workaround is as easy as adding a fixed /etc/hosts entry for http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ but you want to make sure you don't bundle such a modification into a custom AMI
[12:23] <rbasak> muhqu: OK, thanks for the report!
[12:23] <muhqu> if you want to repro the issue: curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ -H 'Host: us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com'
[12:24] <muhqu> results in empty apache file listing...
[12:25] <rbasak> Well it's really /ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Release (etc) that must exist first, but I presume that doens't work either?
[12:26] <muhqu> so <IP_ADDRESS> should either be removed from the us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com DNS rotation, or the missing directory structure should be added...
[12:26] <muhqu> propably a wrong mount or NFS issue...
[12:27] <muhqu> ec2 instances in us-east-1 do not cache the IP the get for http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ … so every N package you try to install will fail...
[12:33] <Daviey> erk.
[12:36] <muhqu> fyi: the issue with http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ is solved
[12:38] <rbasak> muhqu: thanks, I think somebody was concurrently working on it
[12:40] <muhqu> rbasak: no… we got it sorted out in #canonical-sysadmin
[12:40] <muhqu> lamont took care of it
[12:40] <rbasak> aha
[13:50] <zul> good morning
[13:51] <koolhead11> morning zul
[14:16] <Vivek> My Orshestra installation is missing the management classes when I do a cobbler list mgmtclasses: is empty.
[14:16] <Vivek> Also the oneric images have not been downloaded, I am using oneric.
[14:38] <zul> Daviey: the tgt bug got fixed
[14:39] <Daviey> zul: status is still opne, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/871278 ?
[14:40] <zul> Daviey: yeah the fix went upstream, will close it tomorrow when the new release will come out
[14:40] <Daviey> zul: I mean, the upstream task is still open?
[14:41] <zul> Daviey: dont know whats going on with that one but it did get in https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/4419badf187acfc100dff1ba05bb1543eab60ba7
[14:51] <sw0rdfish> heya
[14:53] <edgy> hallyn: hi
[14:55] <edgy> hallyn: I just updated that silly bug! I hope you can figure out something or tell me how can I help debug it more
[14:55] <hallyn> edgy: thx i'll take a look.
[15:05] <edgy> hallyn: as usual ctrl-alt-f for a kvm guest hangs my host and disconnect me and had to reboot
[15:07] <hallyn> edgy: this is with SDL?
[15:07] <edgy> hallyn: yes
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: who can we ask to get a package reviewed from the new queue
[15:09] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: jdstrand is the usual conscript^D volunteer.
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: cool thanks
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> jdstrand: howdy! If you have the time could you please process gfs2-utils from the NEW queue?
[15:22] <zul> Daviey: can you have a look before i push: http://paste.ubuntu.com/770143/
[15:27] <Daviey> zul: python-sqlalchemy not needed anymore?
[15:27] <zul> Daviey: it was in their twice
[15:27] <zul> i thought once was good enough ;)
[15:33] <Daviey> zul: Are you sure that is correct usage of debian/pydist-overrides ?
[15:34] <zul> Daviey: yeah
[15:34] <Daviey> zul: sure, sure?
[15:34] <zul> Daviey: lemme do a testbuild
[15:35] <Daviey> zul: i thought that was for re-mapping pip names to deb package names?
[15:35] <zul> Daviey: gimme a sec
[15:37] <zul> Daviey: im 99.9% sure but still building
[15:37] <Daviey> zul: I'm not certain either :)
[15:37]  * Daviey pulls out the manual
[15:42] <zul> Daviey: its correct usuage
[15:44] <Lcawte> Hi, I was trying to update to the latest stable release this morning, and it seems I'm having some problems, I messed up the boot loader, when I boot the machine, it runs through to a screen and checks for a cd boot etc, and then stops, shows nothing below that... (so the cd boot check is done, but still on the screen), how do I fix this without reinstalling the machine?
[15:46] <zul> Daviey: so yeah its ok
[15:47] <drt24> Lcawte: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ?
[15:51] <zul> Daviey:  uh ping
[15:55] <Daviey> zul: ok.. i really didn't think it was designed to work like that, but if it does \o/
[15:56] <zul> Daviey: ok pushed
[16:07] <hallyn> jdstrand: are you around today, and able to take a quick look at bug 903962 to approve/reject the libvirt apparmor changes I propose for spice?
[16:10] <hallyn> zul: Daviey: see any problems in making /usr/bin/kvm be offered by update-alternatives (so you can choose between qemu-kvm and qemu-kvm-spice)?
[16:16] <zul> hallyn: if you have broken symlinks then it can be a pain in the ass
[16:17] <hallyn> zul: for libvirt to use spice, /usr/bin/kvm will need to be qemu-system-x86_64-spice (from universe).  can you think of a better solution?  diversion?
[16:17] <zul> hallyn: diversion maybe but i dont have a better  solution
[16:18] <hallyn> zul: do broken symlinks just happen if a package uninstall goes bad?
[16:18] <zul> hallyn: check samba bugs ;)
[16:18] <hallyn> heh.  do i have to?
[16:18] <hallyn> ok, thanks, i'd better tkae a look
[16:20] <zul> hallyn: heh no but samba did that and the number of bugs we got about it....holy <insert expletive here>
[16:20] <hallyn> zul: i'll take another look at diversion
[16:21] <zul> hallyn: k
[16:22] <hallyn> zul: any rules you know about regarding a universe package diverting an executable from main?
[16:22] <zul> hallyn: no but i think its generally frowned upon
[16:22] <hallyn> uh, how about a symlink?
[16:22] <zul> but samba4 might be a good example
[16:24] <hallyn> it diverts stuff from samba?  will take a look, thx
[16:26] <JanC> you can also make the package of the spice version of qemu conflict with the regular version?
[16:27] <edgy> JanC, but most users would like to use both without uninstalling, I guess
[16:27] <JanC> maybe
[16:27] <hallyn> and right now it depends on it :)
[16:27] <edgy> I agree with hallyn that update-alternatives is better
[16:28] <hallyn> but i like to learn from past tragedies :)
[16:29] <hallyn> i'm *really* not having good luck with precise kernel on vostro
[16:29] <edgy> hallyn: please make kvm-spice works before you care about virt-manager ;)
[16:30] <JanC> also, if the alternatives system breaks so easily, maybe that needs fixing...  ;)
[16:30] <hallyn> i'm trying, but can't get the laptop to stay up long enough :)
[16:30] <edgy> hallyn: linux is not so stable nowaday with modern hardware like before
[16:31] <hallyn> edgy: nah, i'ts just the bleeding edge 3.x kernel in precise
[16:31] <hallyn> well, at leaset on this simple vostro :)
[16:31] <edgy> hallyn: for me, it's the hybrid graphics that causing me issues I think
[16:32] <hallyn> hrm
[16:32] <GamingX> Hey guys, I have a VPS with 1 GB RAM. I just installed Ubuntu 10.04 on it. But its using up about 200 mb of memory. Is that normal ?
[16:32] <JanC> GamingX: depends on what software you installed and how you configured it...
[16:32] <edgy> GamingX: very normal
[16:32] <edgy> JanC: he installed nothing
[16:33] <GamingX> I haven't setup any software yet at all. Just the LAMP installation. Is there a way to check the RAM usage via SSH ?
[16:33] <edgy> ;)
[16:33] <edgy> GamingX: free -m
[16:33] <JanC> "LAMP" isn't nothing
[16:33] <GamingX> JanC: Most of it was already installed since it is the server addition, so..
[16:33] <JanC> Apache & MySQL both start multiple processes etc.
[16:34] <GamingX> free -m just shows me what I know. Is it possible to check which process or what is using up the RAM ?
[16:34] <edgy> GamingX: you can use top to see what processes uses how much ram
[16:35] <GamingX> Mysql seems to be using up the most amount of memory which is 2.4%
[16:36] <GamingX> I can see only about 15 processes running.
[16:36] <edgy> GamingX: top -b
[16:37] <GamingX> What's that do ?
[16:37] <JanC> or install htop  ;)
[16:37] <edgy> GamingX: display all the processes every x seconds
[16:38] <GamingX> Its the same processes. Is it possible the OS itself is using a certain amount of memory + the processes executing is resulting in the 200 mb of memory used ?
[16:40] <edgy> GamingX: try this: ps aux | awk '{print $2, $4, $11}' | sort -k2rn
[17:06] <nonotza> does anyone know why a cron set for every minute or every 5 minutes would run on the server. but when I schedule it for say 12:01pm everyday, it doesn't run
[17:08] <_Marcus> Can someone help me? I want to make it so that a user can only access a directory and it's directories under it, not / and all of it's directories. How would I do this?
[17:13] <edgy> nonotza: may be you have a syntax error?
[17:13] <nonotza> I think it's because my system time was set to a different timezone
[17:13] <nonotza> thanks
[17:14] <edgy> _Marcus: look for chroot'ing him
[17:15] <nonotza> edgy: so I fixed the system time but this cron still didn't run: 15 12 * * * php /home/anthony/PHP-MySQL-Backup/backup_dbs.php
[17:16] <nonotza> that should have run at 12:15 right?
[17:16] <edgy> nonotza: yes
[17:16] <nonotza> it didn't though :-/
[17:16] <nonotza> any ideas?
[17:18] <edgy> nonotza: how you know it didn't run?
[17:18] <nonotza> no log/backup was created
[17:19] <edgy> nonotza: and if your run it manually at that time, would it work?
[17:19] <nonotza> yes
[17:20] <nonotza> the weird thing is that I can set the cron to run every 5 minutes or every minute and it also runs fine
[17:20] <edgy> nonotza: I can't believe you ;)
[17:21] <nonotza> :-/
[17:21] <nonotza> :(
[17:22] <nonotza> wow this is frustrating
[17:22] <edgy> nonotza: you know that 12:15 is at noon and not at night?
[17:22] <nonotza> yes
[17:23] <nonotza> it's noon here
[17:23] <nonotza> http://pastebin.com/gMT7iLCF
[17:25] <edgy> nonotza: if you put another command at that time, would it run?
[17:25] <nonotza> let's give that a try
[17:26] <edgy> nonotza: and why the need of sudo? you are already root
[17:26] <nonotza> just trying it out
[17:26] <nonotza> i omitted it before
[17:27] <nonotza> no dice
[17:27] <nonotza> I tried a different command
[17:28] <nonotza> mkdir /root/test
[17:28] <nonotza> here's what's in /var/log/cron: Dec 14 12:27:01 mobcaster-dev crond[1479]: (root) RELOAD (cron/root)
[17:31] <edgy> nonotza: it created /root/test or not
[17:31] <nonotza> it did not
[17:31] <nonotza> the above line was the only thing logged at the time the cron was supposed to run
[17:31] <edgy> nonotza: stop cron and run it in the front using -L 18
[17:31] <ninjix> hi all
[17:32] <ninjix> anyone experiencing apt hash sum mismatch errors?
[17:32] <edgy> nonotza: I mean 15
[17:32] <nonotza> 	ok
[17:32] <nonotza> # service crond start -L 15; Starting crond:                                            [  OK  ]
[17:33] <ninjix> running squid-deb-proxy for several months and today I noticed we are getting random hash sum errors
[17:33] <nonotza> ok, edgy: the command was run now
[17:33] <edgy> nonotza: service crond stop && crond -f -L 15
[17:34] <nonotza> what exactly are we doing here?
[17:34] <nonotza> # crond -f -L 15
[17:34] <nonotza> crond: invalid option -- f
[17:35] <nonotza> oops
[17:35] <nonotza> forgot the service crond start
[17:35] <edgy> nonotza: sorry I mean cron -f 15
[17:35] <nonotza> ok, I did that. what does that do edgy?
[17:35] <edgy> nonotza: cron -f -L 15 // last try
[17:35] <nonotza> that ran successfully
[17:36] <edgy> nonotza: it runs it in the foreground with debugging messages
[17:36] <nonotza> well it didn't show it
[17:36] <nonotza> but the command ran successfully
[17:36] <nonotza> and was logged
[17:36] <edgy> nonotza: fine
[17:37] <nonotza> let me try with my script now
[17:37] <edgy> nonotza: so now you don't have any problem, right? ;)
[17:37] <nonotza> well I'm not sure
[17:37] <nonotza> ok, my script ran now
[17:37] <edgy> nonotza: nice, mostly cron was not running on your system
[17:37] <nonotza> at the specified time
[17:37] <nonotza> but it was!
[17:38] <nonotza> I was able to set a cron for every 5 minutes
[17:38] <edgy> nonotza: stop cron and restart the service now and see
[17:38] <nonotza> ok
[17:39] <nonotza> it ran again fine
[17:40] <nonotza> weird or what ...
[17:42] <edgy> nonotza: may be there was a devil playing with you ;)
[17:42] <nonotza> wtf …!?!? lol
[17:42] <Lcawte> Having another problem with booting etc, I brought the disk up here, reinstalled grub, updated to 11.10, and it all worked fine, I take it downstairs, but it won't even go into grub or past it... its stuck at a "hardware monitor" screen... any ideas how I fix it (and a live CD won't work, that machine doesn't like them for some reason)
[17:43] <ninjix> Lcawte: how sure are you that the disk controller is working on the server?
[17:44] <Lcawte> ninjix: the motherboard knows its there, its boot priority is correct, and the disk spins up (I can hear it), all the connections are fine, :/
[17:45] <ninjix> Lcawte: can you try a live usb? also, have you reset the bios to factory defaults?
[17:45] <Lcawte> ninjix: no, and yes
[17:46] <ninjix> it not liking live CDs there's something about the disk IO control that is not normal
[17:47] <Lcawte> I'll take the bios floopy disk down and try that quickly
[17:49] <ninjix> anyone running a farm of servers with some kind of apt proxy/cache?
[17:51] <batok> I need to reinstall a server with 9.10 ( Karmic Koala ) but there's a problem with sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <batok> I don't if I can edit some file to get the index info from other place
[17:52] <ninjix> I would rather run a proxy than a full mirror... but I'm considering it if I can't find a reliable way of centralizing apt packages
[18:02] <Lcawte> ninjix: nope, still no luck
[18:14] <batok> is there an up to date /etc/apt/sources.list for karmic koala?
[18:14] <batok> karmic stuff isn't at us.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:31] <smoser> SpamapS, ping
[18:31] <smoser> so how should i fix that cloud-init snafoo?
[18:44] <hallyn> Daviey: where did the idea that i woudl be doing much ceph stuff come from?  (not the uds sessions or blueprints...)
[18:45] <hallyn> oh, you just mean qemu patches.  i think.  phew
[18:45] <Daviey> hallyn: yeah
[18:45] <hallyn> i do wonder why he wants to stick with libvirt 0.9.2
[18:46] <hallyn> we've got 1.0 qemu and 0.9.7+ libvirt in precise, so it sounds like it should build - but maybe not run
[18:48] <Daviey> hallyn: ahhh!
[18:48] <Daviey> i got a little lost TBH
[18:52] <hallyn> Daviey: my interpretation was we're on our own for getting it to work
[18:52] <Daviey> :/
[19:15] <Lcawte> Hi, I'm still having problems not being able to boot into grub / past bios/cmos whatever its called
[19:29] <gary_poster> hallyn or SpamapS, lxc-create is now hosed on my machine.  Here are some details.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770406/  This is quite possibly related to my noob mistake of accepting all -proposed oneiric changes in order to try and test the proposed lxc change.  Now I can move back and forth between the current and proposed lxc versions and I get the same error.  I and the other people I've asked have tried everything we could think of and find.
[19:29] <gary_poster> Could you give some ideas?
[19:29] <gary_poster> lxc-create worked on my machinea few days ago.
[19:31] <hallyn> gary_poster: it sounds unrelated to lxc - you can't get to archive.ubuntu.com!
[19:31] <gary_poster> My existing lxc container is also dead when I try to start it ("lxc-start: no configuration file for '/sbin/init' (may crash the host)")
[19:31] <gary_poster> hallyn I can get to archive.ubuntu.com just fine from my host
[19:31] <SpamapS> smoser: pong, sup?
[19:32] <lifeless> gary_poster: could you grab sudo brctl show and ip route output  ?
[19:33] <lifeless> gary_poster: ah, lxc-create starts out outside the container, running debootstrap
[19:33] <lifeless> gary_poster: thats why hallyn says you cannot name resolve archive.ubuntu.com
[19:34] <smoser> SpamapS, what should i do about the claud init lucid-proposed snafu
[19:34] <smoser> i need .7 deleted from archive ?
[19:34] <gary_poster> lifeless, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770412/ .  lifeless, ping archive.ubuntu.com works fine on the host, as does using apt
[19:34] <lifeless> gary_poster: 'host archive.ubuntu.com'
[19:34] <lifeless> interesting
[19:35] <SpamapS> smoser: Its only in the queue
[19:35] <gary_poster> lifeless, I'm not sure what you meant by 'host archive.ubuntu.com'
[19:36] <lifeless> gary_poster: host is a command that will do a dns lookup
[19:36] <smoser> SpamapS, so i can justfix and re-upload?
[19:36] <gary_poster> lifeless, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770415/
[19:36] <hallyn> gary_poster: does "sudo debootstrap precise ab" work for you?
[19:36] <lifeless> cd /tmp; debootstrap --arch=i686 lucid outputdir http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[19:37] <SpamapS> smoser: yeah I'll reject the current upload right now
[19:37] <hallyn> heh, yeah, that's better - ^ what lifeless said
[19:38] <gary_poster> hallyn, I did what you said and got http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770417/ .  Will now try other unless you stop me
[19:39] <hallyn> yup go ahead
[19:39] <gary_poster> hallyn, lifeless, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770418/
[19:40] <Lcawte> Hi, I'm still having problems not being able to boot into grub / past bios/cmos whatever its called... anyway, the hard drive works fine and boots in my desktop upstairs, any idea why it doesn't work downstairs in the other machine
[19:43] <lifeless> gary_poster: arch=i386 please; I didn't test the command first ;)
[19:43] <lifeless> hallyn: ah, I think the cache layer has mislead the analysis
[19:43] <lifeless> hallyn: see 'Checking cache download in /var/cache/lxc/lucid/rootfs-i386 ...
[19:43] <lifeless> Copy /var/cache/lxc/lucid/rootfs-i386 to /var/lib/lxc/lucid-lp-beta2/rootfs ...
[19:44] <lifeless> Copying rootfs to /var/lib/lxc/lucid-lp-beta2/rootfs ...Please change root-password !
[19:44] <lifeless> '
[19:44] <lifeless> hallyn: I think we're into the container after that
[19:44] <hallyn> doh
[19:44] <gary_poster> lifeless, command is working fine so far (retrieving diffutils)
[19:44] <lifeless> gary_poster: you can interrupt it
[19:44] <gary_poster> done
[19:46] <hallyn> gary_poster: what does 'virsh net-list' show?
[19:47] <gary_poster> hallyn, gary@macbuntry:/tmp$ virsh net-list
[19:47] <gary_poster> Name                 State      Autostart
[19:47] <gary_poster> -----------------------------------------
[19:47] <gary_poster> default              active     yes
[19:47] <gary_poster> hallyn, sorry, was supposed to be http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770427/
[19:47] <gary_poster> which has that info :-P
[19:49] <hallyn> gary_poster: ok, still that's happening in a chroot, not a container, so actually that (virbr0) shouldn't matter
[19:49] <lifeless> hallyn: *blink*
[19:49] <hallyn> gary_poster: what does /etc/default/lxc show?
[19:50] <gary_poster> hallyn, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770430/
[19:50] <hallyn> lifeless: it's part of the tempalte installing python-software-properties in a chroot
[19:50] <hallyn> gary_poster: meh, big stick - can you rm -rf /var/cache/lxc/* and try over?
[19:51] <gary_poster> hallyn, heh, sure :-)
[19:51] <hallyn> lemme set upa  lucid host to try this on too
[19:52] <gary_poster> hallyn, so I did the rm, and now I am about to do the same lxc-create I showed initially, yeah?
[19:52] <lifeless> hallyn: I think gary_poster is running O
[19:52] <gary_poster> yes
[19:52] <lifeless> hallyn: IMBW
[19:53] <gary_poster> O running lucid container
[19:53] <hallyn> oh
[19:53] <gary_poster> sorry, I should have noticed the "host" part
[19:54] <hallyn> gary_poster: yeah, the usual
[19:54] <gary_poster> k, on it
[19:54] <hallyn> lifeless: IMBW?
[19:54] <gary_poster> I may be wrong
[19:54] <gary_poster> lifeless likes his acronyms :-)
[19:55] <hallyn> ah
[20:02] <hallyn> gary_poster: WFM (on canonistack instance)
[20:02] <gary_poster> hallyn, it worked.  I got at least three "W: Failure while installing base packages.  This will be re-attempted up to five times." along the way
[20:02] <gary_poster> but seems to be ok hallyn
[20:02] <hallyn> sigh - i thought i pulled resolvconf
[20:02] <gary_poster> so I'll just remeber to blow away the cache in the future if this happens again. :-) thank you hallyn & lifeless
[20:02] <hallyn> no, i guess not from lucid template
[20:03] <hallyn> gary_poster: np - i've been thinking we should auto-purge the cache every week or so
[20:03] <gary_poster> hallyn, huh, interesting.  OK, I'll make a note of the possible issue on our wiki for now
[20:08] <hallyn> cool
[20:08] <hallyn> stgraber: what do you think of adding a 'if cache is older than 5 days, nuke it' check to lxc-ubuntu template?
[20:08] <lifeless> so the answer is 'apt-get remove resolvconf' ?
[20:09] <gary_poster> lifeless, no the answer is to wipe out the lxc cache (rm -rf /var/cache/lxc/*)
[20:10] <stgraber> hallyn: that sounds reasonable yes, maybe add a --force-cache or similar parameter to the template to use it even if expired
[20:10] <gary_poster> the resolvconf had to do with the warnings I got while it was working
[20:10] <stgraber> hallyn: or even a --expiry when creating it initially (though then we'd have to store the value somewhere :))
[20:14] <hallyn> stgraber: I guess let's talk about it at sprint
[20:14] <hallyn> lifeless: gary_poster: yeah, resolvconf is not nice on debootstrap :(
[20:14] <gary_poster> hm
[20:15] <lifeless> hallyn: if its gone, does dhclient do its own resolv.conf updating?
[20:15] <hallyn> yes
[20:15] <hallyn> for later releases we don't install it
[20:16] <lifeless> cool, I'll purge it from my containers; I had quite some headaches with the /var/run content removal and the resolvconf symlinks
[20:16] <hallyn> but up to natty we do
[20:16] <hallyn> hm
[20:16] <lifeless> hallyn: have you tried lucid w/out it ?
[20:17] <hallyn> not sure i have, but maybe, since i did consider SRUing removal of it
[20:17] <hallyn> i can't imagine it failing
[20:17] <lifeless> :)
[20:17] <hallyn> (quote me on that :)
[20:18] <lifeless> would I do that ? :>
[20:20] <Lcawte> Hi, I'm still having problems not being able to boot into grub / past bios/cmos whatever its called... anyway, the hard drive works fine and boots in my desktop upstairs, any idea why it doesn't work downstairs in the other machine?
[20:39] <stgraber> hallyn: and for Precise we'll bring back resolvconf, but by default this time ;)
[20:39] <stgraber> hallyn: and not just for containers :)
[20:39] <hallyn> oh?
[20:41] <stgraber> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-dns-resolving
[20:41] <stgraber> the plan is to use resolvconf everywhere
[20:41] <stgraber> but a fixed resolvconf, not the one we have at the moment :)
[20:43] <Lcawte> Hi, I'm still having problems not being able to boot into grub / past bios/cmos whatever its called... anyway, the hard drive works fine and boots in my desktop upstairs, any idea why it doesn't work downstairs in the other machine?
[20:46] <hallyn> ok, cool
[20:51] <sw0rdfish> RoyK, hi :D
[21:05] <RoyK> hi
[21:51] <raubvogel> If you are ssh'ing out, is the message "debug1: Authentications that can continue: gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password" from your machine or the server (telling you which authentications it will take)?
[21:51] <raubvogel> "
[21:58] <smoser> ok... who wants to review for me.
[21:58] <smoser>  https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/precise/euca2ools/new-snapshot-bzr495/+merge/85753
[21:58] <smoser> adam_g, SpamapS ?
[22:01] <smoser> and SpamapS i just re-uploaded cloud-init to lucid-proposed
[22:55] <SpamapS> Ursinha: hey are you around? I had an idea for an enhancement to http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[23:45] <sw0rdfish> hey RoyK you still there?
[23:51] <MACscr> did specify something wrong when trying to build partclone from source? http://pastebin.com/QZKFrtYg
[23:51] <MACscr> i cant for the life of me figure out how to get part clone to work on my ubuntu server
[23:52] <MACscr> and i need it in order to recover an image