[00:46] <sarnold> AntelopeSalad,TheLordOfTime, IS just reported that they've re-synced us-east-1, the archive ought to work again :)
[00:49] <AntelopeSalad> sarnold: thanks, does that include ppas?
[00:50] <sarnold> AntelopeSalad: I didn't see anything in the pastes that suggested your ppas were busted..
[00:50] <AntelopeSalad> the signature stuff
[00:50] <sarnold> AntelopeSalad: .. as all for raring-updates, right?
[00:50] <sarnold> s/as/was/
[00:50] <AntelopeSalad> yeah, when i tried to use the ppas for known legit sources the keys wouldn't sign
[00:51] <AntelopeSalad> someone else confirmed it was an issue too (same ppas)
[00:51] <sarnold> AntelopeSalad: I missed those pastes.. which ppas?
[00:52] <AntelopeSalad> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rwky/redis or ppa:chris-lea/redis-server
[00:53] <AntelopeSalad> i just tested chris' ppa and it signed, seems like everything is back to normal
[00:53] <AntelopeSalad> good job
[00:53] <sarnold> AntelopeSalad: yeah, I still think that was just the raring-updates part of the archive, not the ppas.
[00:54] <AntelopeSalad> ah, i don't know really know the termonologies too well yet
[00:54] <AntelopeSalad> all i know is "it works" or "it's broken" and so far it's working haha
[00:54] <sarnold> I just added both ppas, keys ther eworked fine :) hehe
[00:54] <AntelopeSalad> nice
[01:22] <martian> Hello folks, I'm having a bit of an emergency here. I just restarted a server running 10.04 lts and upon booting I get a "kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown block" error.
[01:22] <martian> If I boot it in to kernel version 2.6.32-48 it will start up ok, but -49 kills it
[01:23] <martian> yes, this is some out of date stuff. It had some updates applied by someone a while back but they never restarted it :-/
[01:23] <Ben64> !info linux-image lucid
[01:23] <Ben64> then start in 48 and update everything?
[01:24] <martian> I tried to but I get an error saying linux-image-server depends on linux-image-2.6.32-51-server but it is not installed
[01:25] <Ben64> then install that too
[01:26] <martian> uh, ok.. something tells me this will break things further
[01:26] <Ben64> nope
[01:28] <sarnold> martian: oh man, someone was in here recently with a problem description nearly identical to that...
[01:29] <martian> oh, looks like /boot was full. So, am I right in thinking that update-initramfs may have failed when the last dist-upgrade was run because of that and that all I need to do is run update-initramfs with the youngest kernel currently in there?
[01:30] <sarnold> martian: ooooh, that could be it. be sure to keep at least one, prefereably two, working kernels...
[01:31] <martian> yeah, there's over a dozen old versions. Just deleting the oldest two for now
[01:31] <Ben64> why even have a /boot ?
[01:31] <phillw> martian: if you use dpkg -P to remove oldest kernels (as sarnold says, do keep at least one known good working kernel), you can then re-run the update
[01:32] <resno> do yall happen to know any union filesystems? i've seen aufs, and the other one based on fuse
[01:33] <sarnold> resno: also overlayfs
[01:33] <resno> you ever used it sarnold /
[01:33] <sarnold> resno: often, in conjunction with schroot and sbuild
[01:34] <resno> does it work well?
[01:34] <resno> reliabile and quickly?
[01:34] <sarnold> resno: I've never noticed any problems, my builds seem to work great :)
[01:34] <resno> the fuse one slows down writing
[01:34] <resno> do you need a custom kernel or just install and go?
[01:34] <sarnold> it's been very fast for me, but I'm on an ssd -- it's fast enough that I've not investigated speeds..
[01:35] <sarnold> resno: I think it's patched into ubuntu kernels, I don't think it's in linus's kernels yet
[01:35] <resno> ah ok
[01:35] <resno> i was just looking at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/109413/how-do-i-use-overlayfs
[01:36] <sarnold> resno: oh man, that's an awesome answer. :) thanks
[01:37] <resno> heh, sure :)
[02:50] <Peasant333> does anyone know anything about apache user groups?
[02:50] <Peasant333> my apache wont start after creating new user.
[03:01] <PryMar56> Peasant333, tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
[03:02] <PryMar56> apache2 is user:group -- www-data:www-data
[04:55] <cheasee> hi
[04:56] <cheasee> using "ufw allow proto tcp from <IP_ADDRESS>/27 to $SERVER_EXTIPV4 port smtp" i get "WARN: Rule changed after normalization". it works tough but why this warning? when i define /32 i dont get a warning at all
[05:34] <cheasee> fixed it, ufw wants the netid-ip-address if defining a subnet...
[07:40] <luminous> hello! for something like mongodb, how does one determine the ppa user/archive?
[07:40] <luminous> (associated with the keyid)
[07:40] <luminous> http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/states/all/salt.states.pkgrepo.html#salt.states.pkgrepo.managed <<< ppa is in form of 'user/archive'
[07:40] <luminous> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 7F0CEB10 << all mongo docs provide
[07:53] <Ruffian> I want to make a dropbox folder (~/Dropbox/www) browsable via Apache (/var/www) - what's the easiest way of doing this? Thanks!
[07:55] <andol> Ruffian: I would go with an Alias and a <Directory> setting, but a symlink or a mount bind might work as well
[09:56] <Aporie> hello
[09:58] <Aporie> I have a simple question. My server doesn't get internet connexion by itself. I always have to connect to it by ssh, and make dhclient. How can I force it to get internet connexion at startup ?
[09:59] <mardraum> fix your /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp?
[09:59] <mardraum> wait, how can you connect to it via ssh in the first place...
[10:00] <Aporie> I connect to it in local network
[10:00] <mardraum> you have multiple interfaces?
[10:00] <Aporie> my /etc/network/interfaces is configured "inet static"
[10:01] <Aporie> No, just loopback and ethernet
[10:01] <mardraum> pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <Aporie> # The loopback network interface
[10:01] <Aporie> auto lo
[10:01] <Aporie> iface lo inet loopback
[10:01] <Aporie> # The primary network interface
[10:01] <Aporie> auto eth0
[10:01] <Aporie> iface eth0 inet static
[10:01] <Aporie> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <Aporie> network <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <Aporie> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <mardraum> pastebin.
[10:02] <mardraum> google that
[10:02] <Aporie> yes I will change the file configuration next
[10:03] <mardraum> if that's really your entire file, you need to add a "dns-nameservers" line I suspect.
[10:03] <Aporie> Yes it's my entire file
[10:04] <Aporie> hoo... ok thanks I'm going to try
[10:04] <mardraum> man resolvconf for an example.
[10:10] <Aporie> Ok really thanks, it works
[10:10] <Aporie> I knew that it was just a little thing, but I can't find it...
[10:11] <parduse> Hello. I am on win 7. My host is winhost.dyndns.org. My server is ubuntuhost.dyndns.org. How will i surf from win by using socks on serverusing port 9090? Tried ssh -N -D <IP_ADDRESS>:9090 localhost already but failed.Any suggestions?
[10:13] <mardraum> Aporie: you had connectivity, but you were unable to resolve DNS records, making it appear like you could not "get to" the internet
[10:14] <Ruffian> andol: Thanks for the advice - pointed me in the right direction. Used a alias, it's working exactly how I wanted. :)
[10:18] <Aporie> mardraum ok, I see. That's why I couldn't ping a dns address... but if I tried, I surely could ping an ip address, isn't it?
[10:18] <mardraum> yep
[11:15] <parduse> cannot tunnel :(
[11:29] <caribou> what's the best way of running MAAS/Juju for tests on a laptop ? KVM, LXC ?
[11:52] <chemist^> Hello everyone!
[11:52] <chemist^> I've got a question/problem regarding the installation of ubuntu-server 12.04 LTS on my old computer
[11:53] <chemist^> I get this error msg when installing the system: "Unable to install the selected kernel"  .... Kernel package: 'linux-generic-lts-raring'
[11:53] <chemist^> is it possible that my computer is simply too old for 12.04 ?
[11:55] <mardraum> raring isn't 12.04....
[11:56] <chemist^> ....
[11:56] <chemist^> i downloaded the image ubuntu-server-12.04-LTS
[11:56] <chemist^> so how is that not raring? why am i getting this error then?
[11:56] <chemist^> my bad
[11:56] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[11:56] <chemist^> i downloaded the Ubuntu Server 12.04.3 LTS
[11:57] <mardraum> paste the path to the exact image you downloaded
[11:57] <chemist^> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=32&release=lts
[11:58] <chemist^> it's 12.04.3 LTS .... could that be the issue? is that raring?
[11:58] <Uragan> hi! Can you hellp me? I need to switchoff display blanking on ubuntu serv 12.04! how TO ?
[11:58] <mardraum> no, it isn't. I have no idea why it would be trying to install a kernel from 13.04.
[11:59] <chemist^> :(
[12:00] <chemist^> it's linux-image-3.8.0-29-generic
[12:00] <chemist^> is that from 13.04?
[12:00] <mardraum> raring the name name for 13.04, yes
[12:01] <chemist^> should i download an older version?
[12:01] <chemist^> or could you point me to an image that is not "raring" <<---- i don't know what that means btw.
[12:01] <chemist^> pretty new to linux-servers
[12:02] <mardraum> personally I'd suggest you do use 13.04
[12:02] <mardraum> do you really have a 32 bit only machine?
[12:02] <chemist^> yes
[12:02] <chemist^> it's old as hell
[12:02] <chemist^> 1.7 ghz processor
[12:02] <chemist^> :D
[12:02] <xtriz> what is the difference in using kvm and libvirt ?
[12:03] <chemist^> 512 ram i think...maybe 1gb
[12:03] <chemist^> not sure
[12:03] <mardraum> kvm (now part of qemu) is a virtualisation technology. libvirt is a management layer for it
[12:03] <mardraum> chemist^: http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-13.04-server-i386.iso
[12:04] <chemist^> I had gentoo installed on it and it worked ok...but i'd like to try out ubuntu-server as i am more keen on using debian commands
[12:04] <chemist^> what does raring mean?
[12:04] <mardraum> chemist^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[12:04] <chemist^> do you think 13.04 will install...even though 12.04.3 won't?
[12:05] <mardraum> I don't know chemist^ - but I would start with the latest if you are having issues. Personally.
[12:05] <chemist^> don't u think it's maybe my computer's age the issue here?
[12:05] <chemist^> or..it should work on old machines too?
[12:06] <mardraum> you would need to check the release notes, I don't have your old machine handy here...
[12:07] <xtriz> mardraum, ok
[12:08] <caribou> chemist^: this is because you used 12.04.03 (note the 03)
[12:08] <chemist^> yes... i tried to find the 12.04 but i could only find the .03
[12:08] <caribou> chemist^: this is the updated image which introduces H/W enablement for newer types of hardware
[12:09] <caribou> chemist^: lemme check...
[12:09] <chemist^> oh...ok
[12:09] <chemist^> so 13.04 should work?
[12:09] <caribou> chemist^: you might want to boot in rescue mode just to test
[12:09] <xnox> 12.04.1 have original precise stack; 12.04.2 has quantal (12.10) kernel/X/hwe stack; 12.04.3 has raring (13.04) kernel/X/hwe stack
[12:10] <caribou> chemist^: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.0/
[12:10] <xnox> if you want to install older stack, please fetch 12.04.1 iso, install using it, and then
[12:11] <xnox> do normal apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade. There is no automatic rollover to next hwe stacks, and you will have full LTS support lifetime.
[12:11] <xnox> for all of your packages.
[12:11] <chemist^> why not use 12.04.2?
[12:12] <chemist^> oh ok... because it has quantal
[12:12] <chemist^> i get it now...so i download the 12.04.1? or 12.04.0?
[12:13] <xnox> chemist^: either should work. 12.04.1 will need less updates post-install vs 12.04.0
[12:13] <chemist^> ok
[12:13] <chemist^> thanks very much to everyone for your help :)
[12:14] <caribou> chemist^: np
[12:14] <chemist^> the ubuntu irc channels always solved my issues faster and better than any forum :)
[12:15] <smoser> ttx, here.
[12:17] <ttx> smoser: false alarm.
[12:17] <ttx> smoser: you doing well ?
[12:18] <smoser> i'm doing well.
[12:18] <smoser> ttx, and you?
[12:22] <ttx> smoser: a bit busy those days, but I assume the same for you
[12:41] <chemist^> ok...it's me again
[12:41] <chemist^> i donwloaded the 12.04.1 server image
[12:41] <chemist^> ran the installation...
[12:42] <chemist^> and then when the network configuration finishes i typed in a random hostname and the installation just hangs with blank screen (with the installation wallpaper)
[12:51] <xnox> chemist^: wallpaper? there is no wallpapers in server images...
[13:02] <chemist^> nevermind... i got pass that... now it's installing
[13:03] <chemist^> it was probably a faulty ethernet card... i switched to the other one (i have 2) and configured the network setting manually... now it has gone on to formatting the disk partitions and installing the system
[13:03] <chemist^> i didn't mean the wallpaper, just couldn't find the right word for it
[13:04] <chemist^> it wasn't a black screen, but the dark-red one, which is in the background of the installation
[13:04] <chemist^> i should have used the word "background" instead of "wallpaper" :D
[13:23] <zul> jamespage:  im just uploading new qemu to the CA
[13:28] <chemist^> can i install a lightweight GUI for ubuntu-server?
[13:29] <chemist^> or is it better to leave it as it is...and change settings using just the terminal
[13:29] <chemist^> ?
[13:33] <mardraum> chemist^: usually teh gui won't help at all for a server.
[13:35] <chemist^> mardraum ok, thanks for the tip.... one more question: During the installation it asked me for a user name and password for doing changes as non-root ........ if i want to login as root do i use the same password?
[13:36] <chemist^> shortly...the same as in ubuntu-desktop?
[13:36] <mardraum> no, you would need to set one for using "root". ubuntu likes using "sudo" to elevate privs
[13:36] <chemist^> with the "sudo" prefix
[13:36] <mardraum> you can always "sudo su" if you really want a root shell with the default setup
[13:36] <chemist^> yeah i know that ... thanks
[13:36] <chemist^> when i do sudo it asks me for my user pass...
[13:37] <mardraum> so type it in
[13:37] <chemist^> ok, great
[13:37] <chemist^> hehe...i will...still installing
[13:37] <chemist^> mysql now
[13:55] <chemist^> mardraum does apache come natively installed on ubuntu-server?
[14:16] <chemist^> ok i managed to get everything installed and working now... i just have a problem with my DNS ... my server can not resolve hostnames, when i try to ping www.google.com or do a wget to install xampp
[14:17] <chemist^> i changed the interfaces file in /etc/network and added 2 dns servers from my internet provider
[14:17] <chemist^> but still...not resolving
[14:23] <Anomie_work> Last time my php.log file was update was a month ago. error_log = /var/log/php.log is set in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini -- Am I missing something? Where are my logs?
[14:51] <chemist^> can anyone help me please? i have an internet connection issue on my ubuntu-server machine
[14:52] <chemist^> my internet provider gave me only 3 IPs: my static ip adress, netmask and gateway
[14:53] <chemist^> in my /network/interfaces file i have 2 more... network and broadcast
[14:53] <chemist^> should i remove those 2 entries?
[14:53] <chemist^> my internet connection doesn't work as it is now... i have entered the 2 dns servers as well...
[14:54] <chemist^> rebooted and checked... the resolv.conf file has been updated correctly
[14:54] <chemist^> now i have 2 nameserver entries
[15:01] <chemist^> LOL i had the network cable plugged-in the wrong eth card :D :D :D
[15:01] <chemist^> sorry bout that
[15:27] <paco11> hi folks!
[15:27] <paco11> i have an issue today
[15:28] <paco11>  => bdb_idl_insert_key: c_get failed: DB_LOCK_DEADLOCK: Locker killed to resolve a deadlock (-30994) | conn=-1 op=0: attribute "uid" index add failure
[15:28] <paco11> with ldap
[15:28] <paco11> i use, for the moment, ubuntu 10.04 with slapd 2.4.21
[15:29] <paco11> how can i resolve my issue? where i'm able search?
[15:29] <paco11> thanks very much!
[15:29] <vila> stgraber: only noticed your "Otto / LXC problems" reply a few minutes ago :-/
[15:30] <vila> stgraber: just replied
[15:30] <stgraber> vila: ok. I'm actually sshed to one of the otto box and talking about it with cyphermox in #distro on the internal server
[15:31] <cyphermox> boo
[15:31] <cyphermox> stgraber: in the meantime I'll look where the otto scripts are to make sure we're not doing something wrong
[15:31] <vila> #distro is better ?
[15:32] <cyphermox> vila: yeah
[15:56] <Peasant333> :( i need some help
[15:58] <ikonia> so asking a question would be the right way to get help
[16:08] <Peasant333> having a user error trying to start apache2 after i went off of a guide.
[16:08] <ikonia> Peasant333: you're already getting help in #ubuntu - please focus in one chanel
[16:09] <Peasant333> well they sort of stopped helping, and there are tons of people needing help at the moment
[16:10] <ikonia> no-one has stopped helping
[16:32] <paco11> anyone for my DB_LOCK_DEADLOCK openldap issue?
[16:34] <parduse> how do i surf the web thru my server? my laptop and server are on different wan ips
[16:36] <TheLordOfTime> parduse: define "through your server".  if you mean using your laptop to connect to your server and view content on your laptop via your server then you'd have to configure VPN, otherwise, SSH into the server and pull up a text web browser through the terminal (assuming you don't have a GUi on the server)
[16:36] <TheLordOfTime> 'course you have to configure your networking to route all traffic through the VPN then but that's not too hard last i checked...
[16:37] <parduse> TheLordOfTime i think my case is related with sock proxfying as i have been searching the net 4 hours
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> similar setup, you'd have to set up a SOCKS proxy on your server
[16:38] <TheLordOfTime> and then connect to it from your laptop through whatever the public-facing IP address is of the server
[16:39] <parduse> tried many connection commands like : ssh -N -D <IP_ADDRESS>:9090<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then in internet explorer making the xxx.dyndns.info as proxy at 9090 but error says no connection
[16:41] <parduse> i am on win7 on this laptop, server is somewhere else, so per your question view content on laptop via the server will be my answer
[17:08] <Peasant333> for some reason apache is loading up a sub directory as default for my domain. :(
[17:17] <AntelopeSalad> are the archives having issues again?
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> AntelopeSalad: are they still broken?
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> the normal archive mirrors look to be OK
[17:20] <AntelopeSalad> i couldn't get this to sign https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/stable
[17:20] <AntelopeSalad> same type of error as last night
[17:22] <ggherdov> Hello. I rent a remote server with ubuntu-server and a custom kernel provided by the hosting company (`uname -r` gives <IP_ADDRESS>-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64). My goal is to replace the kernel with a newer version. The hosting company said "do it but then you're on your own yada yada".
[17:22] <ggherdov> I am willing to take the risk to brake things; it's a machine I keep for ricreational and learning purposes; breaking things is the way I learn.
[17:22] <ggherdov> Question: during the last upgrade I did (11.10 --> 12.04) the kernel was unchanged. What is your guess about how they managed to keep the kernel out of the loop of the ubuntu upgrade?
[17:26] <strikov> Hi guys. Any idea on how to debug weird issue with tgt (iscsi). One of my clients can't make discovery (no response) but i see that the request packet comes to the target (via tcpdump) but no response is generated. I didn't find any logs created by tgt which is my problem.
[17:28] <AntelopeSalad> why are there so many public key signing issues with ubuntu, it's really depressing
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> AntelopeSalad: i think you're missing the point, those keysigning issues tend to go away... you still using us-east-1?
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> or, is this a PPA problem now
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> (i remember you were having issues with the PPAs yesterday)
[17:29] <AntelopeSalad> i'm using east-1 yeah
[17:29] <AntelopeSalad> and i'm getting the same type of signing error as last night when i try to use a ppa
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> AntelopeSalad: did you use sudo add-apt-repository ppa:whatever/whatever ?
[17:29] <AntelopeSalad> yes and it completes fine
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> because i see the keysigning error when you add the repo by hand manually
[17:30] <AntelopeSalad> then when i run upgrade it fails
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> with what error
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> (SPECIFIC error please.  pastebin if multiline)
[17:30] <AntelopeSalad> http://pastie.org/8392911
[17:30] <AntelopeSalad> when using https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/stable
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> easy fix
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> one moment while i dig up the gpg code
[17:31] <TheLordOfTime> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D702BF6B8C6C1EFD
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> AntelopeSalad: ^ do that
[17:32] <AntelopeSalad> i even tried to add the key manually with wget http://nginx.org/keys/nginx_signing.key
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> then try again.
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> don't do that
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> that's not what the error says
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> the error's the GPG key
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> AntelopeSalad: http://askubuntu.com/questions/127326/how-to-fix-missing-gpg-keys  <-- most relevant thing on this
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> their problem was the same issue you have: E: NO_PUBKEY GPGIDSTRING
[17:32] <AntelopeSalad> your solution fixed it
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> you're welcome.
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> do that for any additional NO_PUBKEY errors you get
[17:32] <AntelopeSalad> thanks
[17:33]  * TheLordOfTime yawns, and goes back to kickign nginx into /dev/null and back
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> it doesn't want to build from what Debian has now...
[17:33]  * TheLordOfTime grumbles
[17:33] <AntelopeSalad> btw
[17:33] <AntelopeSalad> how should i go about upgrading 1.4.2 to 1.4.3 on my deployed box?
[17:34] <AntelopeSalad> should i just apt install it, or apt upgrade, or something else?
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> two things:
[17:34] <AntelopeSalad> i'm ok with a few seconds of downtime
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> (1) make sure you aren't mixing the nginx upstream repo and the PPA
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> those conflict with each other
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> and it causes messy issues
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> and if you're migrating from nginx upstream repo to the PPA you're having MORE than a few seconds downtime
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> whether you want to or not
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> because the transition is NOT clean
[17:35] <AntelopeSalad> when i installed it on the deployed box i used... http://pastie.org/8392920
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> stop it with the bloody pastebins for a single line
[17:35] <AntelopeSalad> will that cause any conflicts if i use the new ppa?
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> http://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/  <-- is the only thing you had to tell me
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> and yes it will
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> that's the UPSTREAM repo
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> if you're going to use some repo, either use upstream or the PPA
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> and stick with that
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> don't bother trying to use the PPA if you're already using upstream's repository, because the transition will take longer than you'd like
[17:36] <AntelopeSalad> oh
[17:36] <AntelopeSalad> i'm not sure if the upstream has 1.4.3 yet, let me see
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> they probably have it sooner than Debian does
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> debian's still building it'll be there tomorrow
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> then i update the PPA again
[17:37] <AntelopeSalad> when i installed it last night it was 1.4.2 using the upstream
[17:37] <AntelopeSalad> and this new ppa had 1.4.3 21 hours ago, which is earlier
[17:37] <AntelopeSalad> i installed it maybe 15 hours ago
[17:38] <AntelopeSalad> i can't find any info on the version hmm
[17:42] <AntelopeSalad> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade shows no new ver of nginx after doing an update
[17:48] <bananapie> I have a printer connected with lpd, printing is not working properly and I want to test what is not working. How can I directly call the cups backend command that will send a job to the printer via lpd ?
[17:49] <sarnold> bananapie: hopefully useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[17:51] <bananapie> thx
[17:53] <bananapie> I ran a tcpdump on the server during a print job. I see the SYN being sent to the printer, I receive a SYN/ACK and reply with an ACK. After that I see a PSH, ACK followed by an ACK. Folowed by a TCP Window Update followed by FIN/ACK and ACK. It's as if my cups server isn't sending the data. Is it possible that Cups runs the filters on the server after it makes the TCP connection, crashes and disconnects while running the filt
[17:53] <bananapie> ers on the print job ??
[18:01] <bananapie> jhere is the output from cups
[18:01] <bananapie> http://pastebin.com/x9EuF80t
[18:05] <bananapie> "Can't exec driver program", how can I get more info from this error ?3.
[18:08] <sarnold> bananapie: check output of grep DENIED /var/log/dmesg  maybe apparmor is preventing something from working
[18:10] <bananapie> I am not running apparmord on this server
[18:10] <bananapie> can I get cups to tell me the command and parameters that are not executing?
[18:10] <bananapie> I could run it in bash to see what happens
[18:11] <bananapie> The driver looks looks like this : ./usr/lib/libcanonc3pl.so.1.0.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
[18:14] <jjohansen> bananapie: there is no apparmord. sudo aa-status will say if apparmor is enabled
[18:14] <bananapie> -bash: aa-status: command not found
[18:14] <bananapie> apparmor* is not installed
[18:15] <bananapie> I checked when I tried to do /etc/init.d/apparmord teardown
[18:15] <jjohansen> bananapie: okay
[18:15] <bananapie> How do I get more detailed output instead of "Can't execute driver program"?
[18:16] <bananapie> I think I found the issue, the driver doesn't have an X bit...
[18:16] <sarnold> static libraries don't need execute bits
[18:16] <bananapie> Oh
[18:17] <bananapie> the opvpDriver field of the ppd points to the name of an so file without the extension or path. The so file is in /usr/lib/
[18:18] <bananapie> ok, I changed debug to debug2, I am getting more output now.
[19:15] <thegoat> join #securecrt
[19:15] <thegoat> oops
[19:27] <eagles0513875> hey guys on dovecot on 12.04 is anyone else noticing the upstart script does not work?
[19:29] <ikonia> in what way doesn't work ?
[20:57] <jamespage> zul, whats happening with swift?
[21:01] <jamespage> hmm - and python-cinderclient?
[21:15] <zul> jamespage:  FFE granted for cinderclient, im not sure whats happening with swift
[21:39] <ricardobarbosams> hi,
[21:39] <ricardobarbosams>  i try deploy router proxy-arp but not working, and  i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/all/proxy_arp for1
[21:39] <ricardobarbosams> exists any module for kernel for working?
[23:45] <TheLordOfTime> grrr, I hate crash bugs...
[23:45] <TheLordOfTime> sarnold, nginx + crash bugs + me = bad combo :/
[23:45] <TheLordOfTime> just, you know, in case anyone comes asking "Hi, nginx crashed, can you help"
[23:45] <TheLordOfTime> don't find me :/
[23:46] <sarnold> TheLordOfTime: seems to be a recurring theme today..


[03:54] <TheLordOfTime> where can i get a list of the unity lenses that were shipped with 12.04
[04:02] <infinity> (precise-amd64)root@cthulhu:~# apt-cache search unity-lens | grep ^unity
[04:02] <infinity> unity-lens-applications - Application lens for unity
[04:02] <infinity> unity-lens-files - File lens for unity
[04:02] <infinity> unity-lens-music - Music lens for unity
[04:02] <infinity> unity-lens-video - Unity Video lens
[04:02] <infinity> unity-lens-gwibber - Gwibber Lens for unity
[04:02] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: ^
[04:03] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, what about the other things? there's reports there's still music store results in unity on 12.04 (on ask ubuntu) and i can't seem to find a source
[04:03] <TheLordOfTime> except *maybe* `unity-scope-musicstores` and possibly `unity-scope-video-remote`
[04:03] <TheLordOfTime> but would those be installed by default? :/
[04:04]  * TheLordOfTime may have also failed to use 'lenses' correctly
[04:04] <infinity> (precise-amd64)root@cthulhu:~# apt-cache show unity-scope-musicstores | grep ^Task
[04:04] <infinity> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb
[04:04] <infinity> (So, yes)
[04:04] <TheLordOfTime> ahhhh okay, that makes sense...
[04:05] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, so basically, "read the freaking list of packages `ubuntu-desktop` refers to, and grep it for `unity` and there's the list of scopes and lenses"?
[04:05] <TheLordOfTime> or is there an actual list somewhere?
[04:05] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: Well, the list of default ones, anyway.
[04:06] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: The list of ones in the archive is, well, the archive.  Hence why I was using apt-cache.
[04:06] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, true.  I need a list of what's installed by default though, not what all's in the archive
[04:06] <TheLordOfTime> since they *claim* it's stock 12.04, and on a stock 12.04 I'm not able to replicate the same "search" results they're claiming
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, i have answered my own question, apparently I either removed the music scope or used a customized image that I must've made, the .manifest on releases.ubuntu.com for 12.04 has these all listed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724667/
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> which probably means they end up installed?
[04:14] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: Yeah.  You could check the deps and recommends of ubuntu-desktop, or the task, or the manifest, they should all say the same thing.
[04:15] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, the packages.ubuntu.com page doesn't list the scopes as deps or recommends for `ubuntu-desktop` so i checked the manifest and it's there
[04:15] <TheLordOfTime> so maybe something else refers to it and pulls them in, but I dunno
[04:16] <infinity> Oh, sure, they might be indirect deps, like deps of unity.
[04:16] <infinity> So, yeah, the task is the better thing to check.
[04:16] <infinity> grep-dctrl would help you with that.
[04:16] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, would help if i weren't forced into a windows environment by "Fail To Boot" errors >.>
[04:16]  * TheLordOfTime is too tired to repair his Ubuntu boot
[04:16] <TheLordOfTime> but i'll keep that in mind, thanks.
[04:17] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, until then, I assume the manifest is a pretty accurate representation of all that gets installed by the desktop images and until i fix my Ubuntu installation I can refer to the manifests for default-installed-package lists?
[04:18] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6724693/
[04:19] <infinity> I guess that could have used a "sort -u"
[04:19] <infinity> But I'm sure you can de-dup in your head, it's a short list. :P
[04:19] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[04:20] <TheLordOfTime> infinity, thanks, that's what the manifest shows too.  :)
[10:06] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: How's the lts-saucy tree looking?
[10:07] <mlankhorst> should be ok
[10:07] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: PES needs to freeze their tree, so I'm minded to go ahead and promote things if they're working; most of the packages that haven't aged for 7 days are new
[10:07] <mlankhorst> runs for me on my system
[10:08] <mlankhorst> X.Org X Server 1.14.5
[10:08] <cjwatson> I suspect d-i still needs a bit of assembly
[10:08] <cjwatson> OK, let me start copying the obvious stuff
[10:09] <mlankhorst> after lts-trusty I'll start upgrading my own system again :-)
[10:18] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: I think that's them copied now; will be able to check against the next pending-sru.html run
[10:32] <cjwatson> gar, nobody sorted out the image building stuff
[10:32]  * cjwatson panics a little
[10:35] <mlankhorst> panic driven development
[10:36]  * davmor2 downgrades cjwatson "panics a little" to "worries a lot"
[10:38] <cjwatson> stgraber,infinity,slangasek,RAOF: ^- could use quick processing of livecd-rootfs and base-files
[14:30] <stgraber> cjwatson: looking now
[14:32] <stgraber> done
[14:35] <cjwatson> thanks a lot
[14:37]  * cjwatson commits the corresponding seed changes
[14:38] <cjwatson> so with any luck I should be able to build and minimally test some images today and then promote those ...
[14:38] <cjwatson> and ara might not hunt me down
[15:12] <didrocks> hum, so this morning, I did push the right button (just retried to sync it). I bet that it's cleaned from the ppa
[15:12]  * didrocks checks
[15:13] <didrocks> yeah Removal requested on 2013-12-20.
[15:16]  * didrocks looks at seb128: if only you pushed the button when you reviewed it last year! ;)
[15:30] <Laney> hm
[15:30] <Laney> is proposed-migration going to notice that glib2.0 passed?
[15:30] <Laney> I thought it generally did so now
[15:31] <cjwatson> jibel wants to know about cases where it doesn't
[15:32] <Laney> after a retry, that is
[15:34] <cjwatson> ubuntu/precise/daily-live built with lts-saucy, syncing down to smoke-test
[15:34] <cjwatson> with any luck I got all the bits
[15:52] <crimsun> hi friendly archive admins, please reject the erroneously uploaded libcec in precise-proposed. thanks!
[15:54] <stgraber> done
[16:00] <seb128> didrocks, I had stuff to fix when I reviewed it by then, they got fixed but I didn't look again since
[16:26] <cjwatson> ok, tested a precise-desktop-i386 installation, it's working fine and I get the enablement stack, so promoting livecd-rootfs
[16:26] <cjwatson> trying a server build now
[16:26] <apw> cjwatson, i think you deserve a lolipop of your choice
[16:27] <cjwatson> dumb luck is what it is
[16:28] <ogra_> who cares as long as it results in lolipops :)
[16:29] <infinity> Wise words.
[16:30] <xnox> http://youtu.be/h37KQu64RY4
[16:31] <cjwatson> Oh god, the flashbacks
[16:32] <ogra_> lol
[16:32] <cjwatson> The 90s were just wrong
[16:34] <infinity> I don't know what this is, or what's happening to me.
[16:35] <cjwatson> I think the fundamental mistake is watching a youtube link provided by xnox
[16:35] <cjwatson> (Is it Friday yet?)
[16:39]  * mdeslaur 's brain melts from clicking on youtube link
[16:39] <cjwatson> Also, the IKEA assembly instructions man totally looks like Mr Blobby.
[16:39] <infinity> Okay, my brain is officially fried for the week.
[16:40] <infinity> I parsed that as "IKEA assembly (language) instructions (opcodes) man(ual page)" and it made NO SENSE AT ALL.
[16:40] <xnox> cjwatson: it was a tough call between that one, http://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0 and the new part II http://youtu.be/GVCzdpagXOQ
[17:08] <cjwatson> d-i looks fine too, at least on the server image - I seem to have to boot the installed system with nomodeset to get it not to hang in kvm, but that's not d-i's fault
[17:10] <cjwatson> so promoting that and base-files
[17:24] <Laney> xnox: I loaded them both simultaneously by mistake and it was bad
[17:25] <xnox> Laney: hm?
[17:25] <xnox> Laney: streamer 0.1 and 1.0 ?
[17:25] <xnox> Laney: oh Friday & Saturday songs? =)
[17:25] <Laney> erm, not quite
[17:26] <Laney> yeah that, way worse technology than gstreamer
[19:52] <robru> stgraber, infinity : can i get somebody to NEW usensord and goget-ubuntu-touch? ^^
[21:02] <bjf> cjwatson, when to 12.05.4 test images start getting spun?
[21:03] <bjf> 12.04.4*
[21:11] <slangasek> bjf: images are being built daily for precise, and it looks like someone's already kicked off a second build today: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily-live/20140110.1/
[21:11] <bjf> slangasek, cool, thanks


[02:09] <callmepk> good morning
[03:13] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[07:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:10] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[07:17] <duflu> Hi seb128 and didrocks
[07:18] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:40] <callmepk> hi duflu seb128 didrocks
[07:44] <didrocks> hey callmepk
[08:37] <seb128> hey duflu, didrocks, callmepk! how are you?
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: I’m good, thanks, and you?
[08:41] <duflu> seb128, also good.  Are you able to fix it? Is the solution to stop building ibus on i386?
[11:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, we need to build the new gtk there, don't disable ibus
[11:14] <seb128> but the process is not properly documented so maybe try pinging Steve directly
[11:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: pinged him in #ubuntu-devel
[12:23] <seb128> Trevinho, 'wasn't built as per missing pango build on i386', no, if that been the case the gtk page on launchpad for that version would indicate a depwait or failed build, it's rather than it needs to be added to the i386 whitelist
[12:26] <Trevinho> seb128: that what looked weird to me in fact, Laney explained me that it needs  to be enabled
[12:51] <GunnarHj> seb128, Trevinho: I'm playing in a PPA right now:
[12:51] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/gtk4/+packages
[12:51] <GunnarHj> Not building on i386 there.
[13:05] <laney> PPAs use the same allowlist as the archive
[13:09] <GunnarHj> laney: I know. So that proved that it needs to be added to the i386 list.
[13:16] <laney> I see
[13:16] <laney> You could have looked at the list of architectures that were dispatched for the latest upload for that
[13:19] <GunnarHj> laney: Any chance you can point me to that list?
[13:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, just open the launchpad page for the upload the one where it lists builds, there is no i386 entry there, as I wrote to Marco earlier if the issue was another component not being available there would be an i386 in depwait for failedbuild
[14:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: Right, looking at the LP upload page would probably have been sufficient. Blame my lack of experience for wanting to make an extra check. ;)
[14:59] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:06] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[15:09] <didrocks999> hey hellsworth, kenvandine
[15:09] <hellsworth> hi there kenvandine and didrocks999 :)


[03:41] <Kieri> So I think I have lubuntu 64bit on my computer and I installed pulse and the ubuntu-restricted-extras package so how do I watch a DVD?
[03:41] <Unit193> !libdvdcss
[03:41] <Kieri> Thanks
[03:42] <Unit193> Sure.
[03:45] <Kieri> Ciao
[11:14] <plusEV> hey, I have problemes updating to 13.10 from 13.04. My boot partition seems to be to full. What can I delete from my boot partition to free up space?
[11:14] <plusEV> http://i.imgur.com/VayVKLj.jpg
[11:31] <tsimpson> plusEV: you can remove some of the kernels you're not using
[11:51] <plusEV> tsimpson: yea I just removed everything with 19,31 and 32 in it.
[11:52] <tsimpson> you could (should) have just removed the linux-image-*-generic packages rather than removing the files
[11:53] <plusEV> whatever. lets see what happens. yolo it.
[11:53] <plusEV> upgrading
[11:54] <plusEV> ;)
[11:56] <plusEV> semms like it is working.
[13:00] <_joey> which application do install to get gnome weather applet?
[13:00] <_joey> thanks!
[15:09] <adanoob> Hey everyone!
[15:12] <adanoob> I have this issue with installed software (two different antivirus) - please don't mention no need for antivirus - for this particular purpose I HAve to have a antivirus ;-) but  I'm getting for ex.:  /usr/bin/avgctl:  17 exec:  /opt/avg/bin/avgctl:  not found
[15:12] <adanoob> any ideas why I'm getting these messages ? I got the same with other antivirus... avast
[15:15] <adanoob> hmmm actually...  stuff is in another dir.. /opt/avg/av/bin....
[15:19] <adanoob> hmm sorry, the command runs through a wrapper which does try to run the avg command in the correct location, so... why the "not found" thing ?
[15:20] <adanoob> ll
[15:29] <holstein> adanoob: is this avg for linux?
[15:29] <holstein> adanoob: avg and avast?
[15:30] <holstein> !antivirus
[15:31] <holstein> adanoob: i would refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus#Open_Source_Antivirus and consider trying clamAV.. i think its in the official repos
[15:31] <holstein> !info clamav
[15:33] <holstein> adanoob: for issues with avg and/or avast, you'll refer to the support for those products, which are not supplied by ubuntu's repos.. http://free.avg.com/us-en/support and http://www.avast.com/en-us/support for example
[15:34] <holstein> adanoob: its not a problem if you want to use AV on linux.. but you will get likely better results using something from the repos..
[15:37] <junKa> zram offers any performance gains?
[15:38] <holstein> junKa: try it and see
[15:38] <junKa> Well it is installed by default you know
[15:38] <holstein> from what i have read, it will depend on system factors, and configuration
[15:39] <holstein> junKa: do you find any performance gain from it?
[15:39] <junKa> i  cant combare
[15:39] <junKa> compare
[15:39] <holstein> junKa: you mean, you havent compared?
[15:40] <junKa> compared with what?
[15:41] <holstein> junKa: zram config to non-zram config
[15:41] <junKa> I have not uninstalled it
[15:41] <junKa> zram I guess is for those with low ram
[15:41] <junKa> i got 2gb 64bit cpu
[15:41] <holstein> phronix is usually pretty good for facts http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM1NjQ
[15:43] <holstein> this supports what i have heard/read "In some odd cases though, it looks like using zRAM might actually cause a performance drop"
[15:44] <junKa> yeah I have noticed some freezes when using firefox when i first load the page
[15:44] <junKa> that did not happen with chromium on 13.04
[15:45] <holstein> i would test something without too many external variables.. like a web browser has. but, you'll need to test on your specific hardware, ideally.. or someone reporting from very similar hardware
[15:45] <junKa> besides version 0.1 is to early to be installed by default. IMHO
[15:51] <junKa> i saw today that chromium's version is the latest on all supported dstros
[15:52] <junKa> so ubuntu will go with chromium after all?
[15:52] <holstein> junKa: its been in the repos for a long time
[15:53] <junKa> I stoppe using it for a long time.. so that;s why :P
[15:54] <holstein> http://iloveubuntu.net/web-browser-app-implemented-default-ubuntu-1404 could be true. not sure when feature freeze is for 14.04
[15:55] <holstein> the variants may do different defaults
[15:58] <junKa> fedora is 100% open source?
[15:59] <holstein> !fedora
[15:59] <holstein> junKa: AFAIK, when most distro's ship, they are "open".. there are rules about what things can be distributed, and how
[16:03] <junKa> lxde promodes itself as energy efficient
[16:03] <junKa> i doubt it
[16:15] <junKa> ομγ
[16:15] <junKa> omg
[16:15] <junKa> there is no print scren?
[16:17] <vn151502510> yes, there is. auto save to home directory ~
[16:18] <junKa> no pics what so ever
[16:19] <junKa> nor picture folder
[16:19] <junKa> big fail
[16:19] <junKa> for saucy
[16:20] <junKa> maybe i should go back to ubuntu. at least a get the job done
[16:25] <vn151502510> junKa: your print screen key not work or what?
[18:19] <urielvigilant> holstein : have you ever tryed  Bodhilinux on you Eepc ?
[18:33] <urielvigilant> bodhilinux will run on Asus eepc 4G ?
[19:40] <holstein> urielvigilant: yes.. i used bodhi before
[19:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: you will need to ask the support venues for bodhi about support... you can try most linux distros, such as lubuntu, live
[22:23] <koell> i like this channel. not too big, nor too small. :)
[22:24] <genii> Like the baby bear's porridge.
[22:31] <koell> genii: kolya? kolyaaaaaaaaah ;)
[22:34] <koell> i thought the genii work with win 3.1 :D
[23:58] <FuuqUmist> since lubuntu is switching to lxqt, maybe you might want to change some apps, some apps that i like which are still pretty lightweight but offer more features are SMPlayer, Okular, GCalctool, Claws Mail
[23:58] <ianorlin> FuuqUmist: that is not until 14.10 at the earliest
[23:59] <FuuqUmist> Claws Mail is still gtk+ but it actually has its own support channel, so it takes a load off of ubuntu support since sylpheed website seems to be in Japanese


[08:56] <flocculant> so this is odd - zesty vm - add gtk3 ppa and it doesn't reach desktop \o/
[15:42] <stevehope> could anyone give me the link to report an issue with 17.04, re software store, not installing google chrome, workaround, install GDebi Package installer, or manually added key and ppa, from mentions on  askubuntu this is having a wide impact
[15:45] <stevehope> * downloading Linux 64 .deb file from google
[15:48] <stevehope> * seems to be impacting all 17.04 releases
[15:48] <flocculant> stevehope: known issue bug 1672424
[15:49] <stevehope> ok thanks :) I've been out of the loop a few days
[15:51] <flocculant> :)
[15:59] <stevehope> suggests the addition of one non ubuntu deb install, to ISO testcases
[16:00] <stevehope> *Live ISO
[16:03] <stevehope> or would that be more appropriate to test it at package level?
[16:07] <flocculant> package level imo
[16:07] <flocculant> and luckily because it's that gnome thing - nothing to do with us - we just seed it
[16:08] <flocculant> I guess something that should get autotested
[16:08] <stevehope> :P
[16:10] <flocculant> especially given the numbers available for testing, we've got some - ubuntu has all the infrastructure and as many people as get told to test things :)
[16:15] <stevehope> I'm a don't let errors pass silently, unless deliberately suppressed, person, which tends to make unpopular with the upstream lol
[16:16] <flocculant> luckily upstream in this case is nothing to do with us :)
[16:17] <flocculant> the first thing to think is, am I really likely to be the first person to see this? if not likely - check on launchpad :)
[16:18] <flocculant> or in my case - check a different install of xx.xx ... usually broken something
[16:19] <stevehope> i was still thinking on how to approach it, as chrome specific, or if it was a borader problem with all external deb handling
[16:19] <flocculant> pretty sure this is an old issue
[16:19] <flocculant> I don't use the software
[16:21] <stevehope> was not present in pre ISO, i just installed 17.04 on my main computer in clean install (thve the pre 17.04 Xubuntu did not have this issue
[16:23] <stevehope> at least least I did not encounter it a few weeks ago installing  Xubuntu daily, and downloading the .deb from google, it changed in a respin
[16:26] <stevehope> my Canadian super-power, is I can get American Netfix, firefox - netfilx drm do not like each other
[16:41] <flocculant> yea I think some gnome thing got uploaded
[16:44] <flocculant> wasn't taking a whole lot of notice though
[16:45] <flocculant> bbl maybe


[15:09] <spetrosi> Hi folks, I am looking at the cloud-init feature of creating a /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/99-cloud-init.conf file to ensure that DNS is managed by cloud-init. The only workaround I see to this is to add a `/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/9A-override-99-cloud-init.conf` file with `dns=default` to override cloud-init's configuration. Is there some more valid fix? Btw I do not have a `resolve` section in my /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[15:24] <minimal> spetrosi: which DataSource are you using?
[15:26] <spetrosi> minimal, it is recommended in https://access.redhat.com/solutions/4757761
[15:28] <minimal> I can't read that as I don't have a login. However I did ask which DataSource you are using in order to understand your problem...
[15:30] <minimal> as for some DataSources any DNS server configuration will come from network-config and in other cases via user-data
[15:38] <spetrosi> minimal, It's a VM provisioned from OpenStack
[15:39] <minimal> ok, so network settings including DNS are coming from either OpenStack DS or ConfigDrive DS
[15:40] <minimal> and you want NetworkManager to use the cloud-init DNS setting or to *not* use the cloud-init DNS settings?
[15:56] <spetrosi> minimal, to *not* use the cloud-init DNS settings
[16:15] <smoser> meena: be nice. https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/2006784 ;)
[16:15] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 2006784 in cloud-init "dhcp lookups depend on end-of-life dhclient" [Undecided, New]
[16:16] <smoser> wrt to dhcp for ephemeral. i really think cloud-init should have a builtin (python) dhcp client that it can interact with inn this case rather than relying on some binary to execute.
[17:01] <minimal> smoser: I talk with holmanb in the past about adding both dhcpcd and udhcpc support
[17:01] <minimal> s/talk/talked/
[17:03] <minimal> smoser: interesting that the report is regarding NixOS, which is *not* a currently supported distro...
[17:04] <holmanb> also nixos's design isn't a good fit for cloud-init imo
[17:05] <minimal> well it is more "your software doesn't support a situation in a distro that you don't support (and therefore haven't tested)"
[17:06] <minimal> though they seem to have added it themselves: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/services/system/cloud-init.nix
[17:09] <minimal> there selection of enabled modules is "interesting" as some of them may not work as the modules don't define NixOS (or any family for it) as supported...
[17:09] <holmanb> smoser: Current plans are to add fallback support for dhcpcd in the near term - other projects require an external dhcp client as well, and dhcpcd seems to meet the most needs.
[17:10] <holmanb> smoser: I explored some manually byte packed dhcp frames a while back to test out the idea - it seems doable, especially if limited to the functionality currently used rather than trying to implement a fully-featured client.
[17:11] <smoser> yeah, i kind of looked at that too. it was really surprising to me though. i found a number of dhcp clients in python, but they all required rthat the interfacxe you were using already have an ip address.
[17:11] <smoser> which, seems, surprising to me. and was then not useful for cloud-init. but i could have been missing something.
[17:13] <smoser> https://github.com/lvfrazao/dhcppython looks like it  might fit the bill. i dont think google turned that up so esaily when i last looked.
[17:18] <minimal> smoser: from a quick scan it doesn't appear to do DHCPv6 though
[17:18] <smoser> does anything use that in ephemeral ?
[17:18] <holmanb> not currently
[17:19] <smoser> if it magically worked, then its a huge improvement over what we have there. it has no dependencies.
[17:19] <minimal> perhaps not at present, but there is the future scenario of a IPv6-only environment ot consider
[17:19] <smoser> but probably not packaged.
[17:32] <smoser> well, it didn't "just work" for me in a container test. but that coudl be user error.
[17:33] <smoser> but i really do think that such an approach is preferable compared to trying to kick muiltiple crappy dhcp clients into doing exactly what you want.  where "what you want" is not really a normal thing.
[17:39] <meena> smoser: im always nice
[17:39] <holmanb> smoser: in that case what would be the story for distro support? "use dhclient until you can get this new dependency packaged"?
[17:40] <smoser> or vendor i guess.
[17:50] <minimal> still need to support dhcpcd and/or another client outside of the ephemeral stuff - i.e. the client used by the distro - currently cloud-init writes a dhclient "hook" script (from memory)
[17:51] <minimal> cloudinit/dhclient_hook.py
[17:52] <minimal> which writes /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/hook-dhclient
[17:52] <meena> smoser: i think we discussed adding scapy as dependency a few years back
[17:53] <holmanb> scapy is pretty big iirc
[17:53] <holmanb> which I think was impetus why I was looking into crafting byte-packed frames
[17:54] <meena> and probably overpowered for most things we need
[17:54] <smoser> yeah, scapy is huge.
[17:57] <holmanb> minimal: What's the background on dhclient_hook? I see what it does, but I'm missing context on why we support this, and the docs for it are.... on par with many of our more obscure features
[17:59] <meena> FreeBSD has a package, https://www.freshports.org/net/scapy/ but disables a lot of features by default
[18:02] <minimal> holmanb: not sure myself - looking on a NoCloud based box the hook script appears to be designed to only active on Azure to run "cloud-init dhclient-hook up/down <interface>"
[18:02] <minimal> s/active/activate/.
[18:05] <holmanb> minimal: I see the initial commit message for that file explains it
[18:06] <minimal> I should have looked for that ;-)
[18:09] <minimal> my point being the need to create equivalents hooks for dhcpcd and udhcpc
[18:40] <holmanb> The hook is currently executed by dhclient, which is executed by cloud-init, right?
[18:44]  * holmanb boots on azure to poke at it
[18:44] <minimal> the hook is run by dhclient, not sure if that is when dhclient is run by cloud-init as part of ephemeral DHCP or if it is later in boot when the OS brings up network interfaces
[19:31] <holmanb> minimal: dhclient-hook looks vestigal to me
[19:33] <holmanb> minimal: azure doesn't appear to be consuming that env var json file anymore
[19:34] <minimal> holmanb: cool. Less work to handle other dhclient alternatives then
[19:49] <meena> holmanb: 🪓❓
[19:55] <holmanb> meena: mayhaps
[19:56] <holmanb> meena: Something that's a top level cloud-init command should probably be deprecated first, but since this looked to be cloud-specific cmd, and is unlikely to have external consumers (all it does is filter some specific env vars and stuff them in a file as json), it might be something we could axe without deprecation.
[19:57] <holmanb> Either way, it would be best to check with msft to make sure this file isn't used in some other way (i.e. WALinuxAgent directly), and to make sure I didn't miss something.
[20:01] <minimal> holmanb: there's nothing in the hotplug network interface functionality (i.e. AWS and Openstack currently) that relies on dhclient and/or its hooks?
[20:03] <holmanb> minimal: I'm not sure on that one. I thought that was udev-based.
[20:09] <jchittum> definitely want to be careful with Azure and hotplugging networking. hotplug networking is done to setup the Advanced Networking, which is a core functional requirement of AKS
[20:09] <jchittum> there's a dragon in there somewhere, as we found out with the systemd / udev shenanigans in August
[20:34] <holmanb> jchittum: +1 more than one dragon I suspect
[20:39] <blackboxsw> minimal/holmanb sorry for delay on separate CA certs PR. I'm almost done on my end, couple minor tweaks to unittest/docs/integrationtests
[20:40] <blackboxsw> PR looks really good thx
[20:40] <holmanb> cjp256: github won't let me request you as a reviewer for some reason, but if you get a chance sometime https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2015
[20:40] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2015 in canonical/cloud-init "[RFC] remove vestigal dhclient_hook command" [Open]
[20:40] <holmanb> cjp256: which is followup to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/commit/5ad0768a796bc07232476d0d29b5225f1e6e131c
[20:40] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Commit 5ad0768 in canonical/cloud-init "sources/azure: remove lease file parsing (#1302)"
[22:01] <blackboxsw> ok done on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1962 think this'll make 23.1 release.
[22:01] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1962 in canonical/cloud-init "overhaul cc_ca_certs functionality" [Open]
[22:03] <minimal> blackboxsw: Thanks, I'll have a look shortly
[22:05] <blackboxsw> there's a secondary bug with SSH host keys floating around.... that I also want to take a look at to see if we can tackle it for this release. https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1999164
[22:05] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1999164 in cloud-init "when multiple SSH host key certificates are defined, only one HostCertificate is referenced in sshd_config" [High, Confirmed]
[22:05] <blackboxsw> It's now in our selected for development queue, so hopefully we can make some substantive progress there shortly
[22:08] <blackboxsw> note that I may be incorrect on the CA certs behavior suggestion from RHEL(esposem). holmanb/minimal do you understand that they wanted to still wait on us setting this behavior in general and landing it in tip of main until they change RHEL behavior. Or did minimal's backing out RHEL changes avoid this concern (because redhat will still continue to fully `remove_default_ca_certs`
[22:09] <blackboxsw> minimal/holmanb Let's restate that question clearly. Do you think were waiting on a fix in redhat before we could land PR 1962 still?
[22:10] <holmanb> blackboxsw: I don't sense a change in behavior comming from RHEL, just a change in docs (which already landed).
[22:11] <blackboxsw> Thank you. I wanted to confirm I thought minimal backed out any rhel-related changes.
[22:13] <holmanb> blackboxsw: minimal previously had rhel "not implemented" in hopes of using a RHEL dedicated utility, but from RHEL it seems that their utility isn't intended to manage system certs, so that part has been reverted to former behavior, iirc, which is to delete the certs
[22:13] <minimal> blackboxsw: yes I reverted RHEL and FreeBSD related changes as things were unclear
[22:16] <emper0r> hi.. i'm getting a little problem with cloud-init when boot an ec2 into aws..
[22:16] <emper0r> is taking 6 hours
[22:17] <emper0r> stucking the boot until get login prompt
[22:17] <blackboxsw> emper0r: that's a problem :/ `systemd-analyze blame` or `cloud-init analyze show`?
[22:17] <blackboxsw> should tell you the blocking service that is taking so long in boot
[22:17] <emper0r> in fact i take a svg image
[22:18] <emper0r> and say
[22:18] <emper0r> cloud-init.service (6h 21min 55.264s)
[22:19] <blackboxsw> cloud-init analyze blame may tell you what part of cloud-init is blocking.
[22:19] <emper0r> want see the full blame output?
[22:20] <blackboxsw> sure pastebin.com works
[22:20] <emper0r> wait let me paste in some site 1 sec
[22:21] <emper0r> https://dpaste.com/CGA622DJS
[22:22] <blackboxsw> great and 'cloud-init analyze blame' and 'cloud-init analyze show' if possible please
[22:22] <emper0r> 1 sec
[22:22] <blackboxsw> something is likely blocking cloud-init.service from running... but not sure yet what that is .... also surpising that mysqld.service is taking an hour to come up BTW
[22:23] <blackboxsw> *2 hours rather
[22:23] <blackboxsw> makes me thing network throughput,retries and timeouts with misconfigured network  or proxy issues etc
[22:23] <emper0r> yes we have many database using engine InnoDB so when start mysql start check internal to rollback and start ok i need to login meanwhile is testing that...
[22:24] <emper0r> 1 sec to get output
[22:26] <emper0r> blackboxsw: both output here https://dpaste.com/8EPJRFCBH
[22:33] <blackboxsw> emper0r: thanks your cloud-init analyze blame (and show) both show on latest boot, whatever bootcmd script is provided to cloud-init as user-data or vendor-data in these images took a  really long time to complete. line 264 of your paste -- Boot Record 07 --
[22:33] <blackboxsw>      22913.76400s (init-network/config-bootcmd)
[22:33] <blackboxsw> I'd check `sudo cloud-init query userdata` and see what script your image is running and debug there
[22:34] <blackboxsw> in a `bootcmd` section.
[22:35] <blackboxsw> as that's what took the 6 hrs
[22:39] <emper0r> blackboxsw: https://dpaste.com/AKJ95THPC
[22:39] <emper0r> is a simple script we create to auto-registrate any ec2 into our private hosted zone automaticly
[22:43] <emper0r> wait.. now checking that script log
[22:43] <emper0r> i see the timeout registering into our zone
[22:43] <emper0r> strange
[22:43] <emper0r> weird
[22:44] <emper0r> Create/Update EC2 record
[22:44] <emper0r> Error: RequestError: send request failed
[22:44] <emper0r> caused by: Get "https://route53.amazonaws.com/2013-04-01/hostedzonesbyname?dnsname=
[22:44] <emper0r> dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: i/o timeout
[22:44] <emper0r> and the start and stop logs are
[22:45] <emper0r> 20230209-15:01 and ends 20230209-21:23
[22:45] <emper0r> with exactly that 6 hour in the middle
[22:45] <blackboxsw> +1. yeah I haven't played w/ route 53 offerings much, just read a couple docs on it.... but interesting little side script there and falling over on the setup/config I think
[22:45] <emper0r> i guess that is the cause
[22:46] <emper0r> hmm have to check if have some option about timeout to set not more than x min to avoid this
[22:46] <emper0r> thanks for all blackboxsw i guess I can handle from this..
[22:46] <emper0r> :)
[22:47] <blackboxsw> take care
[22:47] <emper0r> u2


 help
 i can't use my laptop
 i just restarted it and now it's showing me a gray screen
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/46aea080/file_3628.jpg
 please help me, it's my birthday and I can't put music
 I think we are going to need some further detail to help. What has changed that lead up to this issue? Is this after logging in? Do you have an Nvidia graphics card and do you have the proprietary drivers installed? Can you switch to a different TTY with Ctrl+Alt+F3 ? (re @motorolae7: i just restarted it and now it's showing me a gray screen)
 last night worked, but now it does this
 I can change the TTY
 and I have Intel graphics
 and if you switch back using Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? (re @motorolae7: I can change the TTY)
 yes
 Is it working?
 yes
 Stopped working again 😔 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> no worries, i know it's common + embracing to say so in some places, but it's considered machismo in others)
 i typed lightdm as root and this is what I got : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/88af20dc/file_3629.jpg
 i gave up and reinstalled it
 how can I connect my steering wheel to Lubuntu, I'm trying to play a trucking game using wine and the wheel doesn't get detected
 I wouldn’t know but tell us the make and model. Whoever knows it in here he’ll need that information
 I don't know which wheel it is which is information I would need
 i don't know the model but it's a speedlink
 Google wether your device is supported by Linux or not (re @Michaël: I wouldn’t know but tell us the make and model. Whoever knows it in here he’ll need that information)
 can you run lsusb from the command line
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/26e3a7df/file_3642.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e53902b3/file_3643.jpg
 I think- judging by device 8 - that the device is recognised (re @motorolae7: )
 yeah but I can't use it
 doesn't show the steering wheel as it did when I had windows : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/42aa8179/file_3644.jpg
 I think this might be a problem of how the game interacts with wine and may not be a lubuntu problem
 then how to fix the wine problem?
 oh, it connected somehow, i just restarted the pc
 works now
 ahh, still doesn't
 it shows in the menu but no response at any button


[00:00] <akgraner> we could do a written one
[00:00] <JoseeAntonioR> well, I'll be happy to do it, but about my dad I don't know, he may be a little bit shy about it
[00:00] <JoseeAntonioR> as you want to, it's no problem for me :)
[00:01] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, how about this - I'll send you both questions and he can decide if he wants to answer them
[00:01] <akgraner> well I'll send you both sets of questions and you all can discuss it
[00:01] <akgraner> as you won't be able to answer some of the questions until like Thursday at UDS
[00:02] <JoseeAntonioR> that's great - you've got a yes from me :)
[00:04] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll tell him about his part once he's back
[00:07] <bkerensa> akgraner: Friday of UDS is a party right?
[00:07] <bkerensa> I ask because Mozilla wants me to also go to a party on Friday in Mountain View
[00:07] <bkerensa> :P
[00:08] <akgraner> bkerensa, usually...
[00:08] <bkerensa> I didnt know because there is no UDS schedule up
[00:08] <pleia2> yeah, it's when we all give hugs and drink before our airplanes!
[00:08]  * benonsoftware envies everyone going there :P
[00:08] <bkerensa> :D
[00:09] <akgraner> bkerensa, just check the uds site - usually everythign gets listed there and on the name badges :-)
[00:09] <pleia2> sometimes sleep before our airplanes, unless we book a 7AM flight (who did that? this girl!)
[00:09] <pleia2> I think I was still a little drunk when I boarded, ah brussels :)
[00:09] <akgraner> pleia2, yep I've had a few of those - sleep on the plane
[00:09] <akgraner> pleia2, I think everyone was
[00:09] <pleia2> no, that was dallas
[00:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: I guess I stay from 6th - 12th idk thats what the travel agency booked
[00:10] <pleia2> bkerensa: that's pretty typical
[00:10] <akgraner> pleia2, dallas was the first everclear event :-)
[00:10] <JoseeAntonioR> I have to be at 7am at the airport D:
[00:10] <pleia2> dallas: http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/112009/pleia2_grantbow_at_allstars.jpg
[00:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: I think checkout is at 11am on 12th so I was going to go to San Francisco until I depart back home
[00:11] <bkerensa> do some shopping
[00:11] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool :)
[00:11] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: On Friday or Saturday?
[00:11] <bkerensa> :D
[00:11] <pleia2> we should talk, I know I'l lwanting to be hanging out with everyone
[00:11] <akgraner> pleia2, best picture ever :-)
[00:11] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: on Saturday
[00:11] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: Lucky you :) I am stuck in Oakland till like 10pm at night
[00:12] <bkerensa> lol
[00:12] <akgraner> I arrive Saturday sometime - but I need to double check what time
[00:12]  * akgraner forgot already
[00:12] <JoseeAntonioR> I arrive Sunday morning, and pretty early
[00:12] <pleia2> like midnight early
[00:12] <bkerensa> akgraner: I arrive Saturday at like 7am
[00:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Yep
[00:13] <bkerensa> Sunday I mean
[00:13] <akgraner> ahh ok
[00:53] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: my dad said he would have no problem with it :)
[00:54] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, great  - I'll work on getting you those before UDS - so you all can think about them while at UDS :-)
[00:54] <JoseeAntonioR> perfect, thank you!
[00:56] <philipballew> uds is coming up fast... I should probably look into tickets and stuff soon
[00:59] <JoseeAntonioR> we're just one month away
[00:59] <philipballew> i have school till then, and the travel agent wont email me back. Im gonna call tomorow and say some things
[01:00] <philipballew> way to busy
[01:01] <philipballew> well time to ride back to school before dark...
[21:37] <akgraner> pleia2, totally awesome managed to find a bug that locked up my new machine :-) woo hoo...
[21:38] <SilverLion> akgraner: what are you doing on sunday april 8th around 22 hrs UTC?
[21:41] <SilverLion> hi btw ^^
[21:46] <akgraner> SilverLion, not sure - I may be taking my hubby to the airport
[21:46] <akgraner> but I can let you know for sure tomorrow
[21:47] <SilverLion> akgraner: because you might have an interview appointment then :P
[21:47] <akgraner> ok :-)
[21:47] <akgraner> I'll know for sure tomorrow afternoon
[21:48] <SilverLion> akgraner: tomorrow night (for my time) around this time it totally ok ^^
[21:49] <akgraner> ok - Sunday would be best, just need to double check who is driving whom to the airport
[22:46] <bkerensa> akgraner: Our banner http://i.imgur.com/G4shD.jpg
[22:47] <akgraner> bkerensa, me looks
[22:47] <akgraner> nice
[22:47] <bkerensa> we are going to have two vertical roll up banners made
[22:47] <bkerensa> and likely will also have a table cloth made
[22:47] <akgraner> I love those kind of banners
[22:49] <bkerensa> Yeah... I guess they also have these ones that have a cross bar
[22:49] <bkerensa> but are like $100 cheaper then the roll ups and not as heavy
[22:49] <bkerensa> :D
[22:59] <akgraner> :-)
[23:00] <pleia2> akgraner: nice, is there a workaround you can use, or is the bug fixed? :)
[23:01] <akgraner> pleia2, not fixed just have a work around - gvfs  :-(
[23:01] <pleia2> ah
[23:02] <akgraner> yep
[23:13] <SilverLion> why is it so hard to enter the US ... can someone tell me?
[23:16] <pleia2> a lot of people want to live here, so we have a huge problem with people staying even after their VISA has expired
[23:16] <pleia2> so they only give out a limited number of VISAs
[23:21] <SilverLion> pleia2: although i understand the reasons: i feel sorry for folks wanting to attend the UDS not being able to due to VISA issues :/
[23:22] <pleia2> yeah, it's unfortunate
[23:22] <SilverLion> pleia2: is there absolutely no possibility to get one for a very commited user from here?
[23:23] <pleia2> I have no idea
[23:23] <pleia2> I've never had to get a VISA to the US ;)
[23:23] <pleia2> and I don't know where you live
[23:25] <pleia2> in the past I've known people who had to have a letter of invitation to the conference (Canonical can issue these) to get a VISA, the only time I've ever heard of someone having a problem is if they didn't submit it early enough and they've started doing sponsorships earlier to try and avoid that problem
[23:33]  * SilverLion would love to get to know all you (akgraner , pleia2 etc) in person ... but financials prevent me :(
[23:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Visas are pretty difficult to get if you don't have extremely exact data on everything
[23:39] <SilverLion> pleia2: in this particular case a visa was refused even with a letter of invitation by canonical (and the person had it in time )
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> It was a pretty difficult situation, rejected two times, and being honest, for no valid reason