[01:11] <rickm> Hello .. kubuntu 20.04 ... I installed Cheese and the video from the laptop cam is upsudedown. Asus K601j
[01:18] <omegatron> you live in australia?
[01:18] <omegatron> =D
[01:20] <rickm> ba-dum-tish ....
[01:21] <omegatron> anyway, https://www.google.com/search?q=kde+cheese+video+upside shows you are not alone with this on asus hardware ..
[01:23] <omegatron> might be driver related - people even suggested to open the case and check, if the camera can be rotated by 180° (something I would do, if every software shows the same problem, not only cheese)
[01:26] <omegatron> but yeah, it's some sort of .. stupid .. if the OS or the video software doesn't enable the user to adjust something 'small' like rotating the frames of some video input device as default behaviour - would be no problem with quicktime on mac os x, but ..  -_-
[01:40] <rickm> omegatron: No way at the OS level to rotate the camera?
[01:42] <omegatron> there are surely ways to do it, but I meant an easy accessible way for the user, like some system or program preferences
[01:42] <omegatron> (hence my note of quicktime, where it is available)
[03:54] <nostii> the
[03:54] <nostii> ok
[03:54] <nostii> your mother
[03:54] <nostii> exit
[04:04] <user|2> Thank you, we got a computer from my late u cle that nobody knows the password for, is it necessary  to reload the machine, I believe there is nothing needed on the hard drive, thanks
[04:06] <alpha> are you asking if you should blow away the computer and start fresh?
[04:06] <user|2> When it boots it flashes Kubumtu, then to log in
[04:10] <alpha> Do you need to keep anything on it?
[04:10] <user|2> No
[04:11] <alpha> Blow it away... Unless he worked for a special government program and knew some top secret stuff that we should all know about, or something like that... In that case, keep and and let's dig in
[04:12] <user|2> No secret government stuff,,  if it is, it's not needed! There's enough secrets
[04:13] <alpha> In that case, reformat
[04:13] <user|2> It's been a while, what do I need
[04:13] <alpha> Is the computer going to a good home or something?
[04:14] <user|2> Nephew who wants to do games
[04:14] <alpha> If you're just trying to "delete" what's on the hard drive, a sledge hammer works well
[04:14] <user|2> Now, he wants to use it
[04:14] <alpha> Windows or Linux games?
[04:15] <user|2> I don't know
[04:15] <user|2> He's inexperienced, and I've been out of computers for twenty years,,
[04:15] <alpha> I'm guessing by "nephew" you mean someone not very computer savvy which to me means you should install Windows
[04:16] <user|2> Ok
[04:16] <alpha> If he wants to pursue gaming
[04:18] <user|2> I'm not sure he knows what he wants, but he needs a working computer first it's an and fx 9370 cpu 16g ram 500g hdd, liquid cooled thing
[04:19] <user|2> Suggestion so far, wipe it and load w windows?
[04:20] <user|2> Amd,  ssd hdd
[04:21] <alpha> If gaming is the goal I would say yes. But you might have to buy a license for Windows. If there is a money issue, reload with PopOS Linux and be prepared to help
[04:22] <user|2> Pop os Linux, haven't heard of it
[04:23] <alpha> It's the "best" linux distribution for gaming according to some
[04:23] <user|2> Ah, thanks
[04:25] <user|2> So I'll look into downloading it, format and load it, ? Well I know it boots, maybe I'll let him learn how to do it! I'm 67 and don't need to know!
[04:26] <alpha> Can't teach an old dog new tricks?
[04:26] <user|2> Yup,
[04:26] <alpha> You sure about that?
[04:27] <alpha> You might surprise yourself
[04:27] <user|2> Correction, don't want to
[04:28] <alpha> You made it this far
[04:29] <user|2> I worked in a computer shop in the 90's, I have less memory now!
[04:29] <alpha> lol... I get the joke... But you're still online. Might as well be useful
[04:30] <user|2> Ok, so where is a safe spot to download this program, how big is it, store it on a disc, chip,
[04:31] <alpha> USB is pretty common, but if all you have are discs, that wil work
[04:31] <user|2> I can get into the bios to boot
[04:31] <alpha> Google Balena Etcher and bootable ISO
[04:33] <user|2> I'm booting myaptop
[04:34] <user|2> Ok, there now I need a chip
[04:38] <user|2> Ok
[04:41] <user|2> How large a USB do I need?
[04:43] <user|2> Which do I need never used this type,,,
[05:05] <user|2> Ok, how do I get this to boot to a USB
[05:16] <user|2> Ok, I need more help, I'll leave now, thanks
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:39] <rickm> Is there a way increase mouse travel (not speed) in Kubuntu 20.04?
[18:48] <rickm> NM ... got it
[21:58] <Also_Not_Jack> hello. looking for opinions on putting Kubuntu on an old macbook pro.
[21:58] <Also_Not_Jack> it's a 2013 macbook.
[22:42] <oerheks> tons of guides say it can be done
[22:43] <oerheks> basicly; Check your BIOS, UEFI must be ON and Secure boot OFF. and have fun booting Kubuntu


[00:37] <robot682> I have an odd problem that I have not been able to find an answer for.  My school no longer has an on-site exchange server and instead uses OWA hosted by microsoft.  This can be accessed via Outlook Connector in Office 2007 which allows me to mange my email as well as my calendar.  Is there a way to do this from Ubuntu?
[00:40] <benny1> hi is +jenugogue about ?
[00:42] <pedro3005> benny1, you mean jgoguen ?
[00:42] <benny1> is there a command to update all codecs to the latest versions?
[00:42] <pedro3005> benny1, that depends, how did you install said codecs/
[00:42] <pedro3005> ?
[00:42] <benny1> Yes pedro! my mistake
[00:42] <pedro3005> benny1, tip: use the tab complete featur
[00:42] <benny1> I have a fresh ubuntu install and i have downloaded vlc. thats all
[00:43] <benny1> Tab complete?
[00:43] <pedro3005> benny1, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[00:43] <pedro3005> benny1, try typing pedr then press TAB
[00:43] <ghostofmybrain_> what command would I use to copy a file from one directory to another
[00:43] <benny1> oh a bit like how the iphone finishes things?
[00:43] <pleia2> robot682: I don't think so, but you might want to check out Evolution's documentation to see if it has a plugin these days
[00:43] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain, "cp file /path/to/new/file"
[00:43] <ghostofmybrain_> thanks
[00:44] <pleia2> robot682: I know it has an exchange plugin, but OWA is different :\
[00:44] <pedro3005> benny1, well, actually the iphone must've copied the TAB complete but yeah :P
[00:44] <pedro3005> benny1, and the point is if you type mine or jgoguen's nick exactly as it is, we get a warning
[00:44] <pedro3005> easier to spot if someone's looking for you
[00:45] <robot682> pleia2: That's what I was thinking as well.  I haven't seen anything I was just hoping I had missed it.  Thanks.
[00:45]  * jgoguen looks up
[00:45] <pedro3005> see?
[00:45] <benny1> okay, Can U let Jgoguen know I appreciated his help to let me get access to my system again. i had no accounts with admin rights
[00:45] <jgoguen> lol
[00:45] <pedro3005> benny1, you can tell him yourself... he's here
[00:45] <benny1> ahh the man himself, *I assume* a man anyway
[00:46] <jgoguen> That's a dangerous thing to assume around here ;)
[00:46] <jgoguen> But yes, I'm male
[00:46] <benny1> well I got root access but I think it was to do with encrypting my HDD linux partition. i just reinstalled and Im up and running.
[00:47] <jgoguen> Awesome
[00:49] <benny1> I'm about to go to bed now cause gotta work tomorrow but can you copy everything off an ipod to another drive, but preserving the names of the files? or maybe I mean not preserving the way itunes has changed it to something else entirely.  if I could get maybe everything organised by artist would be awesome?
[00:50] <benny1> anyways thanks for the help, I imagine I might be here quite often now... lol
[00:50] <jgoguen> benny1: If you have 9.10 installed, you could use gtkpod
[00:51] <benny1> I have 9.04 Rhythmbox has picked it up autoatically so far. I can use sybaptic to change to 9.10, right?
[00:52] <benny1> *synaptic even
[00:52] <pedro3005> benny1, you wish to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[00:52] <jgoguen> If Rhythmbox picked it up you may be able to just use Rhythmbox to copy the files off
[00:53] <benny1> I read some where that 9.04 is at the moment the best support for PS3. so I'm not in a rush, but that might also be the same place that told me to endlessly edit repo's in YDL 6.2 until i broke everything!
[00:54] <benny1> Does rhythmbox allow this?
[00:56] <pedro3005> benny1, I think so
[00:57] <benny1> pedro3005: i am currently running the update manager, to make everything the latest version for 9.04 I think.... there was also "upgrade" which I'm going to research a little before I attempt. I'd like to find out if others have it running before I attempt it just incase there are any conflicts wiht PS3
[00:58] <pedro3005> benny1, upgrade will get you 9.10 I think
[00:58] <pedro3005> benny1, so just update the programs
[00:59] <benny1> pedro3005: jgoguen: thanks, time for bed now I'm gonna leave this running to update... Bye!
[00:59] <jgoguen> Bye :)
[01:08] <JinkhinJ1> I installed Ubuntu today. First time to try something uother than MSW. Ubuntu is working OK except I cant get my wireless to connect. I use a USB stick on my desktop (linksys) and XP would just recognize it and connect. So far Ubuntu has been a bit difficult in this.                                             Any tips on how I can get Ubuntu to recognize my Wireless USB stick??
[01:13] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, what is the exact model?
[01:29] <JinkhinJ1> WUSB 100 (v2)
[01:30] <JinkhinJ1> Model of Linksys USB
[01:31] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, can you please open a terminal and try putting this in:
[01:31] <pedro3005> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[01:34] <JinkhinJ1> sec let me move to the desktop
[01:40] <JinkhinJ1> pedro, "E: Couldn't find package b43 - fwcutter
[01:40] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, are you sure you typed it right?
[01:41] <JinkhinJ1> let me try again
[01:41] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, there are no spaces between b43 and fwcutter
[01:41] <pedro3005> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[01:41] <pedro3005> exactly like that
[01:42] <JinkhinJ1> pedro, same reply "Couldn't find..."
 Y/n
[02:10] <JinkhinJ1> i have the drivers for the wireless stick but i'm not connected to the internet
[02:10] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, press Y
[02:10] <JinkhinJ1> done
[02:11] <JinkhinJ1> brings me back to terminal
[02:11] <JinkhinJ1> same line as before
[02:11] <JinkhinJ1> /media/cdrom/pool.....
[02:11] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, did it say a lot of stuff?
[02:12] <JinkhinJ1> "errors werre encountered while processing"
[02:12] <JinkhinJ1> yea paragraph
[02:12] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, what sort of errors?
[02:13] <JinkhinJ1> "resolving downloads.openwrt.org.... failed: name or service not known.
[02:13] <JinkhinJ1> unable to resolve hostt address
[02:13] <JinkhinJ1> "downloads.openwrt.org"
[02:14] <JinkhinJ1> error procdessing b43-fwcutrter
[02:14] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, is there no way you can get internet?
[02:15] <JinkhinJ1> just to this notebook but when i installed Ubuntu I erased ther XP
[02:15] <JinkhinJ1> on the desktop
[02:15] <JinkhinJ1> If I connnected direct with my Surfboard Modem would that possibly help??
[02:16] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, if that means internet access, it most certainly would
[02:16] <JinkhinJ1> Not sure if Ubuntu will recognize the Motorolla MOdem
[02:17] <JinkhinJ1> This will take me some time thbough
[02:17] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, it could
[02:17] <JinkhinJ1> Got to do some mving around of things
[02:17] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, what is your ubuntu version?
[02:18] <JinkhinJ1> 9.10
[02:19] <JinkhinJ1> I may have to try and catch this tomorrow. My wife has a look of "throwing things"
[02:19] <JinkhinJ1> Or whenver I can reconnect with you or some other good person
[02:19] <JinkhinJ1> If I start movinng computers and modems it might get ugly in here
[02:21] <JinkhinJ1> Got you on the buddy list and will print/save this chat
[02:22] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ1, :)
[02:22] <JinkhinJ1> catch you on another round
[02:23] <JinkhinJ1> thnx
[03:39] <Phrea> sorry for my ignorance, but what's the difference between Debian Unstable and Testing?
[03:41] <Phrea> what's the path?
[03:41] <Phrea> unstable -- testing -- stable ?
[03:42] <pedro3005> As unstable never becomes testing, this codename is permanent, contrary to the codenames of stable and testing, which have volatile codenames (for instance, stable is currently[update] known as lenny, but was etch before Debian 5.0 was released).
[03:42] <pedro3005> Phrea, found that in wikipedia
[03:42] <Phrea> I know about wiki etc
[03:42] <Phrea> I just want a direct answer
[03:42] <pedro3005> Phrea, yeah the thing is I don't know
[03:43] <nigelb> Phrea: when a package is updated, it goes into sid (unstable)
[03:43] <Phrea> that doesnt say a lot
[03:43] <Phrea> but I gather Lenny is stable?
[03:43] <nigelb> pleia2: ^
[03:43] <Phrea> ...or am I wrong again?
[03:44] <pleia2> yes, lenny is stable
[03:44] <Phrea> ok
[03:45] <Phrea> and sid is the successor?
[03:45] <nigelb> pleia2: Phrea was looking for difference between unstable and testing
[03:45] <pleia2> after a package has been uploaded to sid, if there are no major problems with it (bugs, brokenness) it gets migrated to testing after 10 days
[03:45] <pleia2> and packages in testing are bound by rules of debian security policy (just like stable), those in unstable are not
[03:46] <Phrea> so it's stable - testing - unstable
[03:46] <Phrea> Ok?
[03:46] <pleia2> basically
[03:46] <Phrea> I'm learning
[03:46] <Phrea> :)
[03:47] <Phrea> I'm tempted to give Debian a try, but I dont like the unclearness of it all...
[03:47] <pleia2> debian stable is a lot like ubuntu LTS releases
[03:47] <pleia2> in fact, hardy and lenny are pretty similar package version wise
[03:47] <Phrea> yes, that's what I'm to believe :)
[03:48] <Phrea> but the thing is, there seems to be a lot of unstableness in Debianland
[03:48] <pleia2> unstableness?
[03:49] <Phrea> gheh, yes, no clear path
[03:49] <Phrea> a lot of bickering
[03:49] <Phrea> etc
[03:49] <nigelb> unstable and debian? do they even go together
[03:49] <pleia2> oh, that's just on debian-devel
[03:49] <pleia2> individual teams do fine
[03:49] <Phrea> so the releases are also fine?
[03:49] <pleia2> as a project it's pretty solid
[03:50] <Phrea> I keep hearing about all that bickering and stuff...
[03:50] <Phrea> :\
[03:50] <pleia2> yeah, it happens
[03:50] <pleia2> it's a big project and people get passionate about it
[03:50] <Phrea> I've tried Deb before, a lifetime ago
[03:50] <Phrea> ok
[03:50] <Phrea> as long as they have their eyes focussed...
[03:51] <Phrea> I can understand the passion :)
[03:51] <pleia2> especially as release time comes near you see a lot of discussion and arguments, but things calm down
[03:51] <Phrea> ok :)
[03:51] <pleia2> and most of the people doing the Real Work aren't deeply involved in the bickering
[03:52] <Phrea> I SO want to give Debian a try...
[03:52] <Phrea> ...but it kinda scares me
[03:52] <pleia2> on a desktop?
[03:52] <Phrea> due to that bickering etc
[03:52] <pleia2> the OS is solid, we use it on production servers for major institutions
[03:52] <Phrea> pleia2: for instance yes :)
[03:52] <Phrea> why not
[03:52] <Phrea> ok
[03:53] <Phrea> what kind of institutions?
[03:53] <Phrea> if I may ask
[03:53] <pleia2> but ubuntu has a *much* more polished desktop and desktop user experience
[03:53] <Phrea> pleia2: that's why I'm here
[03:53] <pleia2> a couple museums, a shipyard, some smaller businesses
[03:53] <Phrea> and why I use ubu
[03:53] <Phrea> aha, cool :)
[03:54] <pleia2> I just use debian on servers, ubuntu is on my desktop and laptops
[03:54] <Phrea> you manage those sites?
[03:54] <Phrea> ah
[03:54] <Phrea> :)
[03:54] <pleia2> yep, I'm a debian sysadmin
[03:54] <Phrea> good to hear
[03:54] <Phrea> cool :)
[03:54] <nigelb> and a debian maintainer ;)
[03:54] <Phrea> sorry that I seem a bit paranoid
[03:54] <pleia2> paranoia is reasonable, some distros have died over bickering
[03:54] <Phrea> indeed
[03:55] <Phrea> that's why I'm kinda worried
[03:55] <pleia2> but debian won't be one of them, it's been like this for their entire life (15 years now?)
[03:55] <Phrea> since Ubu is based on Deb
[03:55] <pleia2> yeah, that too
[03:55] <Phrea> true, Deb is old
[03:55] <pleia2> huh, debian will be 17 this year
[03:55] <Phrea> whoei :D
[03:55] <Phrea> I started out with Slack
[03:56] <Phrea> [dont get me started, I couldnt even log in :D ]
[03:56] <pleia2> lol
[03:56]  * pleia2 redhat > debian > gentoo > debian > ubuntu&debian
[03:56] <Phrea> I tried redhat too
[03:56] <Phrea> :)
[03:56] <pleia2> temporary insanity in the middle there :)
[03:56] <Phrea> I did a bit of distro hopping back in the day
[03:57] <Phrea> I never stuck with one tho
[03:57] <Phrea> always went back to windows
[03:57] <Phrea> back then, linux wasnt usable as a desktop
[03:58] <Phrea> brb
[04:00] <Phrea> back
[04:01] <pleia2> well I hope your experience is different this time :)
[04:02] <Phrea> hey, it was cool back then
[04:02] <Phrea> just not easy :D
[04:03] <pleia2> yeah, it still astounds me how easy things are now
[04:03] <Phrea> I managed to get it all working, but it wasnt like a normal desktop
[04:03] <Phrea> pleia2: indeed :o
[04:03] <Phrea> I still cant believe it
[04:03] <pleia2> I was so pleased when I plugged in a usb printer the other day and I got a dialog saying "HP blah-blah 3243 was plugged in, would you like to print a test page?"
[04:03] <Phrea> it all just works :o
[04:03] <pleia2> wow! and it worked!
[04:03] <Phrea> indeed :D
[04:03] <Phrea> gheh
[04:03] <nigelb> hp always works on linux thankfully
[04:03] <pleia2> yeah
[04:04] <Phrea> what about the QNX demo disks... :0
[04:04] <Phrea> even more amazing :o
[04:04] <Phrea> 1 OS on 1 disk
[04:05] <Phrea> and it worked
[04:05] <Phrea> there are other microkernel 'distro's now, like kolibrie etc
[04:06] <Phrea> all micro kernel based
[04:08] <Phrea> I only know to ask: 'HOW?!'
[04:15] <smeag0l> Hello
[04:19] <Phrea> ;lo
[04:19] <Phrea> *'lo
[04:19] <pedro3005> hey steelsteve
[04:19] <steelsteve> hey
[04:25] <Phrea> so...
[04:27] <Phrea> 'lo
[06:34] <hcs7dap> hi guys... looking for some bluetooth help, if anyone has some time to spare.
[06:35] <celthunder> hi
[06:36] <hcs7dap> system>preferences>bluetooth gives 'no bluetooth adapters present'
[06:36] <celthunder> does it show up in lspci?
[06:36] <hcs7dap> celthunder: i'll try...
[06:37] <hcs7dap> celthunder: how can i post the output?
[06:37] <celthunder> pastebin
[06:39] <hcs7dap> celthunder: ok... found pastebin, but how to copy from terminal
[06:39] <hcs7dap> celthunder: noob, soory
[06:39] <celthunder> select it ctrl+shift+c go to browser and paste
[06:42] <hcs7dap> celthunder: http://pastebin.com/C4f7jsJt
[06:43] <celthunder> what kind of computer is this, and version of ubuntu?
[06:43] <celthunder> btw i don't see it in there...is it built in bluetooth or usb?
[06:43] <hcs7dap> toshiba satellite l300-29v laptop, karmic
[06:43] <hcs7dap> built-in bluetooth
[06:45] <celthunder> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679272
[06:45] <celthunder> try that stuff?
[06:46] <yax51> hello all
[06:47] <hcs7dap> celthunder: i'll gvie it a go...
[06:48] <celthunder> hi yax51
[06:48] <yax51> I am trying to run supreme commander via wine, I can get it run, but there is no audio, I think I found a solution, however, I have no idea where to find them. Any suggestions?
[06:48] <yax51> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12182
[06:49] <yax51> In order to get sound in this game, sample rate must be set to 48000 and a few
[06:49] <yax51> DLLs are needed. These are:
[06:49] <yax51> x3daudio1_0.dll
[06:49] <yax51> x3daudio1_1.dll
[06:50] <celthunder> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?x3daudio1_0
[06:50] <celthunder> did you check google
[06:50] <celthunder> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?x3daudio1_1
[06:53] <yax51> cool....now these are .zip files...is there any special way to unzip them? or just open them via wine?
[06:53] <celthunder> however you wanna extract them
[06:53] <celthunder> unzip <filename> works
[06:54] <yax51> cool
[06:54] <celthunder> if you have unzip installed
[06:56] <yax51> thanks....also, I just put these in the /wine/windows/system32 folder right?
[06:58] <celthunder> yeah
[06:58] <celthunder> idk where
[06:58] <celthunder> it usually says in a text file with the dlls
[06:58] <celthunder> or in the instructions you got to dl them
[06:58] <celthunder> system32 / windows are pretty common though
[07:00] <yax51> cool thanks...lets see what happens....hold on....
[07:02] <yax51> ok no dice.....perhaps a reboot? hold on
[07:06] <yax51> hmmmm not working.....
[07:09] <ghostofmybrain_> can I run two servers through ubuntu server at once?
[07:09] <celthunder> ?
[07:09] <celthunder> what?
[07:10] <ghostofmybrain_> i'm attempting to run a couple of game servers off this linux machine I put together running the server edition of ubuntu
[07:10] <ghostofmybrain_> Do you know how to go about running both of them at once
[07:10] <celthunder> depends on the game.
[07:11] <celthunder> but usually just put them on a different listening port and they should run fine
[07:11] <ghostofmybrain_> How do I do that
[07:11] <celthunder> and install to 2 diff directories
[07:11] <celthunder> depends on the game...
[07:11] <ghostofmybrain_> ah ok
[07:12] <ghostofmybrain_> I will ask the people in that case. Thanks though
[07:12] <ghostofmybrain_> the *game* people
[07:25] <nomnex> what s wrong with my command tar -xzvf?
[07:25] <nomnex> mt@fmv:~/desktop$ tar -xzvf /home/mt/downloads/pywings-1.1.tar.gz /home/mt/desktop/
[07:25] <nomnex> tar: /home/mt/desktop: Not found in archive
[07:25] <nomnex> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[07:26] <nomnex> why can't I extract it in ~/desktop
[08:07] <yax51> anyone have any issues with empathy? not being able to /msg anyone or do any of the commands?
[08:24] <yax51> Anyone have any issues with Empathy?
[08:24] <nigelb> yax51: what sort of issues
[08:24] <yax51> not being able to enter any commands such as /msg or anything
[08:25] <nigelb> yax51: yeah I think empathy doesn't support irc commands
[08:26] <yax51> aaaah I see....ok then.....how about pidgin? is that a good client?I've heard about it in passing, but nothing much else
[08:27] <nigelb> yax51: for IRC?
[08:27] <yax51> that and other IM clients such as MSN and AOL....
[08:27] <nigelb> yax51: pidgin is okay
[08:28] <nigelb> but for IRC you could use xchat or some other irc client
[08:28] <yax51> ok cool
[08:30] <yax51> I'm actually waiting for digsby....
[08:32] <nigelb> yax51: that sounds kinda cool
[08:33] <yax51> I like it....I use it in windows. the biggest thing I like is the facebook chat client....
[08:33] <nigelb> well, empathy lets you chat on facebook too
[08:33] <nigelb> so does pidgin
[08:34] <yax51> really I only see the myspace....
[08:34] <pleia2> facebook is just a jabber server these days
[08:34] <yax51> ooooh I might have to check it out.....
[08:35] <pleia2> their jabber server is chat.facebook.com
[08:35] <nigelb> select a jabber server and enter your username as @chat.facebook.com
[08:38] <yax51> what about my login and password? do I need to create a new one? or can I use my facebook login and password?
[08:38] <nigelb> use your login as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and facebook password
[08:40] <yax51> hmmm it gives me a network error....
[08:40] <nigelb> yax51: you selected jabber?
[08:40] <pleia2> your facebook login name is the name that shows up in the facebook url for your profile
[08:41] <nigelb> oh well, did you replace username with your facebook login?
[08:41] <yax51> yes
[08:42] <yax51> oh well....its not that big of a deal..thanks though!!
[08:43] <nigelb> yax51:
[08:43] <nigelb> Uncheck Require SSL/TLS
[08:43] <nigelb> Connect port: 5222
[08:43] <nigelb> Connect server: chat.facebook.com
[08:43] <nigelb> ignore the last one
[08:49] <yax51> ok next subject, I can't seem to get sound working for supreme commander, I found a solution, but it doesn't seem to work
[08:49] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=820866
[08:51] <nigelb> I donno.  I'm not that great with gaming
[08:51] <nigelb> talsemgeest: ^ thoughts?
[08:51] <nigelb> yax51: If you dont find much help, you can ask on the forums youself
[08:51] <talsemgeest> One sec, lemme read up
[08:52] <talsemgeest> Eek sorry, Im no good with sound problems
[08:53] <nigelb> hehe
[08:54] <yax51> eh, oh well thanks though!!
[09:45] <yax51> does anyone know what other program to run windows software I can use other then wine?
[09:46] <talsemgeest> yax51: Running windows software is a very complicated task, and wine is the only free project that allows you to do so. There are other for-pay programs such as crossover that are written with the same codebase as wine however
[09:46] <leoquant> yax51 crossover
[09:46] <leoquant> crossover games
[09:47] <leoquant> lol talsemgeest
[09:47] <leoquant> and goodmorning
[09:47] <talsemgeest> Hehe, hey leoquant :)
[09:47] <yax51> thanks
[11:47] <Brodz987> i have just installed the banshee media player. the first time i used the program it worked fine. now when i try to start it up, it crashed before it opens. i have tried unitstalling and re-installing with no better results
[11:47] <Brodz987> what can i do in the terminal to check what errors it has?
[11:48] <hobgoblin> run it from the terminal with banshee
[11:49] <Brodz987> sorry. um. what process would i run?
[11:50] <hobgoblin> banshee
[11:50] <hobgoblin> just that :)
[11:53] <Brodz987> i have done that but the terminal is just idle now
[11:53] <Brodz987> doing nothing
[11:56] <hobgoblin> try sudo killall banshee &&banshee
[11:57] <Brodz987> no process found
[11:57] <Brodz987> its weird. it was working now its not.
[11:58] <Brodz987> im awesome at windows, how to i do a complete uninstall for it, and start again? because i know that some traces are normally left behind with an uninstall
[11:58] <hobgoblin> of banshee?
[11:58] <hobgoblin> or windows - I use format for that lol :)
[11:59] <hobgoblin> Brodz987: if it is banshee, then it's fairly simple - in fact I have just done the same thing 30 minutes ago
[11:59] <Brodz987> banshee
[11:59] <Brodz987> windows is gone
[11:59] <Brodz987> forever..... thank god
[12:00] <hobgoblin> open nautius - assuming you are using ubuntu - then ctrl+h to see the hidden file
[12:00] <Brodz987> hobgoblin: yes please help. ive got no clue whats wrong
[12:00] <hobgoblin> you will find banshee in .cache .config and in .gconf/apps - delete only the banshee folders
[12:01] <Brodz987> sorry im very new. yes ubuntu. where is nautius?
[12:01] <hobgoblin> places - home folder
[12:01] <hobgoblin> then ctrl+h
[12:01] <Brodz987> oh.
[12:02] <hobgoblin> once you've deleted the banshee folders do sudo apt-get purge banshee &&sudo apt-get install banshee
[12:03] <hobgoblin> deleting the folders from your /home removes all the config files the apt-get command will remove and reinstall banshee, then when you start it you will be default
[12:04] <hobgoblin> one more thing, there is no need for apologies - we help beginners - they tend to be new and not know and have mostly just left their comfort zone :)
[12:05] <Brodz987> :-$..... i have done that and purged the install. re-installed the app and have the same issue
[12:05] <Brodz987> is there comething i can do in the terminal that will give me error codes so i can look them up
[12:05] <Brodz987> ?
[12:06] <hobgoblin> you need to run it from a terminal to see what it does in there - I assume this is just a standard banshee - you've not added in repositories for the unstable one?
[12:07] <hobgoblin> try the killall command again but do it seperately sudo killall banshee then banshee
[12:07] <Brodz987> i have added something off the website for software scources: http://ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-team/ppa/ubuntu
[12:08] <hobgoblin> ok was there a particular reaason for doing so - or is it just what you are used to doing from windows?
[12:08] <Brodz987> windows...
[12:09] <Brodz987> so i will remove that
[12:09] <Brodz987>  and start again
[12:09] <Brodz987> ???
[12:09] <hobgoblin> I would - you can do so from Software sources in the system > admin menu
[12:10] <hobgoblin> most of the time you should be able to get what you need from the standard repositories without adding in 3rd party stuff - one exception being medibuntu to get restricted stuff
[12:10] <Brodz987> is there any advantage of using terminal to install over the graphical interface?
[12:11] <Brodz987> eg. ubuntu software centre
[12:12] <hobgoblin> not really - generally the reason I do it that way when helping is that sudo apt-get install works regardless - but if I was getting you to go to synaptic or software centre they don't necessarily exist in kubuntu for instance - and it is easier to type :)
[12:14] <Brodz987> i have removed the third party repo, i have removed the files, purged it, and re-installed it. but not working. ;(
[12:15] <Brodz987> however it was strange that i did not get an option to hit 'y'
[12:15] <hobgoblin> gnome-system-monitor
[12:15] <Brodz987> to confirm the install., the script just finished
[12:15] <hobgoblin> check that banshee is not still running
[12:16] <Brodz987> it says its sleeping - banshee
[12:16] <hobgoblin> sometimes it does that - I have never really understood why it does it
[12:16] <hobgoblin> Brodz987: right click and kill it please
[12:16] <Brodz987> gone
[12:16] <hobgoblin> k - now try again from a terminal
[12:17] <Brodz987> go over steps from top
[12:17] <hobgoblin> nope - just try running it now
[12:17] <hobgoblin> we've got rid of the configs and reinstalled it
[12:18] <Brodz987> BINGO!
[12:18] <hobgoblin> cool - so is it running now properly?
[12:18] <Brodz987> so the lesson for me here is that i need to check if the process is running in the background, before i check everything else.
[12:18] <hobgoblin> no error messages?
[12:19] <hobgoblin> yep - though I think killall should have dealt with that
[12:19] <hobgoblin> ok - now close banshee down - and try and restart it normally
[12:20] <Brodz987> seems to be ok
[12:20] <hobgoblin> ok
[12:20] <Brodz987> can you help me with something else
[12:20] <hobgoblin> if I can I will :)
[12:21] <Brodz987> im using bittorrent and running it through wine, to do my downloading. the only probelm is that i need to manually add the torrents as i cant select it from the download manager 'open with option' in firefox
[12:22] <Brodz987> as i understand there should be an easier way to do this. the only issue with the pre-loaded one is a have a scheduler running for my peak and off peak times
[12:22] <Brodz987> and this doesn't support a scheduler
[12:23] <hobgoblin> 2 secs
[12:24] <hobgoblin> deluge is in the repos and has a scheduler
[12:25] <hobgoblin> just checking that out - I used to use it but was not sure ;)
[12:25] <Brodz987> does that support multiple trackers for faster downloads? or can i olny load one?.... i will give it a try
[12:26] <hobgoblin> you could of course just use bittorrent as it too is in the repos - better than trying to use the win one in wine I woudl think
[12:26] <hobgoblin> I am pretty sure it does - but it is a while since I used it
[12:29] <hobgoblin> hi nigelb yos
[12:29] <nigelb> heya hobgoblin, how are you?
[12:29] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty
[12:30] <Yos> Hi hobgoblin and nigelb
[12:30] <nigelb> hobgoblin: I got ubuntu membership :)
[12:30] <hobgoblin> cool - congrats
[12:30] <Yos> Congrats
[12:31] <nigelb> hobgoblin: it was very humbling.  2 of the board members cheered for me :)
[12:31]  * hobgoblin knows the feeling - a very short meeting it was for me
[12:32] <nigelb> the guy in front of me came to his second meeting and got rejected. I got scared
[12:33] <nigelb> but they were all appreciative and unanimously +1'ed.  Unsually there were plenty of board members that day
[13:17] <debianjay> good morning!
[13:17] <debianjay> fchk failure.. when i do a manual fchk,what happens next?
[13:18] <pedro3005> debianjay, you mean you did a fsck and it reported an error?
[13:19] <debianjay> yes it did,and it fails.
[13:19] <pedro3005> debianjay, what does it say?
[13:19] <debianjay> need to do manual off live cd i hear?
[13:19] <pedro3005> debianjay, well, you should never fsck a drive if it's active
[13:19] <debianjay> fchk failed press ctrl-d or do a manual fchk
[13:20] <pedro3005> debianjay, that happened while you were booting?
[13:20] <debianjay> fchk makes it too 100% but says it fails
[13:20] <debianjay> yes
[13:20] <debianjay> every time
[13:21] <debianjay> see i also downloaded the kde files from terminal,shortly after it failed.
[13:21] <pedro3005> debianjay, ok, try booting off a live cd and run the fsck from there
[13:22] <debianjay> so i have kde and gnome options from the gnome gui login.
[13:22] <debianjay> ok
[13:23] <debianjay> thank you pedro
[13:23] <pedro3005> debianjay, probably nothing to worry about
[13:23] <pedro3005> after all you still manage to boot
[13:56] <aluex> hi
[13:56] <pedro3005> hi aluex
[13:56] <st4aluck> can somebody tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 to work in 10.04
[13:57] <aluex> what should i do if i misremoved my file?
[13:57] <aluex> i mean .. by mistake
[13:57] <pedro3005> aluex, you mean deleted?
[13:57] <aluex> yes
[13:57] <aluex> by using 'rm'
[13:57] <shadeslayer> aluex: ntfs file system?
[13:58] <pedro3005> shadeslayer, of course not
[13:58] <aluex> i m not sure.
[13:58] <shadeslayer> pedro3005: eh?
[13:58] <aluex> seems ext3 or 4 something
[13:58] <pedro3005> shadeslayer, how would a linux install be on ntfs?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> pedro3005: ><
[13:58] <pedro3005> aluex, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery  you can try this
[13:59] <shadeslayer> pedro3005: maybe he deleted something on the other partition
[13:59] <pedro3005> nothing guaranteed though
[13:59] <hobgoblin> aluex: what file was it?
[13:59] <aluex> a cpp filoe
[13:59] <aluex> pedro3005, thx
[14:00] <pedro3005> aluex, I hope the file is not very important
[14:00] <pedro3005> and learn to perform back ups of what is
[14:03] <hobgoblin> I'd think that trying to get it with testdisk will prove hard
[14:04] <hobgoblin> aluex: what was it for?
[14:05] <aluex> hobgoblin, that's a file which is not very important,
[14:06] <hobgoblin> oh ok :)
[14:06] <aluex> and i've found a former backup
[14:06] <hobgoblin> always useful ...
[14:06] <aluex> thank you all :)
[14:10] <hobgoblin> st4aluck: not sure - is it working for you at the moment? if so what version OS
[14:46] <st4aluck> hobgoblin: what do you mean!?!!
[14:49] <st4aluck> hobgoblin: tell me if I can make my webcam pleomax pwc-3800 to work in 10.04
[14:51] <hobgoblin> st4aluck: are you using it at the moment in ubuntu?
[14:52] <st4aluck> hobgoblin: no, I turned into 8.04 for that reason
[14:53] <hobgoblin> ok - so you have no ttried it with a more recent version then?
[14:54] <st4aluck> hobgoblin:  look there are drivers which I comp. in Krmic but after the new kernel upgrade it stoped working. It is the same in 10.04
[14:54] <st4aluck> 3 alpha
[14:54] <hobgoblin> aah - ok - then I have no idea then I am afraid
[14:55] <hobgoblin> there is a dev channel for lucid - someone in there might know more
[14:55] <st4aluck> hobgoblin:  I am afraid i the problem will stay forever....whit 8.04 works out of the box
[14:56] <st4aluck> what is the chanel name
[14:57] <hobgoblin> #ubuntu+1
[14:57] <st4aluck> :) I spoke there already
[14:58] <hobgoblin> k - tried posting on the forum?
[14:58] <st4aluck> nop
[15:00] <hobgoblin> might be worth a go - larger audience there
[15:01] <st4aluck> hobgoblin: see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311468
[15:02] <hobgoblin> perhaps it's not going to be working then - sorry can;t be of anymore help
[15:03] <st4aluck> ho do you think I have to buy new webcam!?!?!
[15:04] <hobgoblin> no idea st4aluck
[15:04] <hobgoblin> try a new thread on the forum - try one in the lucid forum
[15:05] <st4aluck> hobgoblin: #ubuntu+1 !?!?!
[15:05] <hobgoblin> what ?
[15:05] <st4aluck> or other
[15:05] <phillw> st4aluck: as hobgoblin said, that thread would be your best bet - most of the 9.10 stuff works in 10.04
[15:05] <hobgoblin> st4aluck: no I mean the forums not IRC - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[15:06] <st4aluck> ok
[15:06] <hobgoblin> hi phillw
[15:07] <phillw> hiyas hobgoblin, i'm kicking around - just been putting a lamp server onto lubuntu (yeah, why not) -- all working :-D
[15:07] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:08] <phillw> nice low RAM / cpu system for my server to live under. (Yeah, there was a reason - lol)
[15:09] <hobgoblin> lubuntu - not looked at lxde for a while now
[15:09] <phillw> a small team, but very hard working, as no doubt, are the xubuntu team - I can't test them all, tho' !!
[15:10] <hobgoblin> yep
[17:02] <gjesvik> Hi. When I boot I get "Starting boot logger bootlogd" and it stops
[17:02] <gjesvik> What's wrong?
[17:22] <phillw> gjesvik: as in the system just stops ?
[17:28] <gjesvik> Hey. Thanks. Yes, but it will accept keyboard input
[17:28] <gjesvik> However I have now gotten the hold of a possible solution consisting in booting a live usb pen and going chroot
[17:28] <gjesvik> to disable bootlogd
[17:29] <gjesvik> Tried ctrl c tried single user
[17:29] <gjesvik> nothing
[17:35] <gjesvik> It worked. Thank you for your attention.
[19:14] <Sonm> Hello people. Does anybody have any experience with installing OpenLaszlo? I have a problem with The JAVA_HOME environment variable... namely it is not defined, yet I have Java installed...
[19:19] <nhandler> drubin: Were you the person who liked java ?
[19:20] <phillw> Sonm: is OpenLaszlo a programming suite for Java, or an application ?
[19:21] <Sonm> It an application I believe
[19:21] <Sonm> it's*
[19:22] <phillw> I'm not really well up on Java, but I know enough to install programming stuff like for android phones -- I'll go have a look at the app, in the meantime, someone may know of it here.
[19:23] <Sonm> I was looking for some stuff, which is meant for building RIA things... well some alternative to Macromedia Flash and found OpenLaszlo
[19:23] <Sonm> I c...
[19:24] <Sonm> Well, my problem is that OL needs JAVA JDK thingie and it seems that JAVA_HOME is pointing to JRE
[19:24] <phillw> Sonm:   I hope that helps. The key to the JAVA_HOME problem for me was the "sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun" line.
[19:25] <phillw> Sonm: seems you are not alone :-)
[19:27] <Sonm> i did that... did't work... What I have is:  "which java" -> /usr/bin/java and then if I go with "ls -l /usr/bin/java" it gives me /etc/alternatives/java -> finally ending up with /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java... that's where the bug dwells I reckon
[19:28] <benny1> Hello, can someone please offer a little advice on setting video resolution on ps3? in Display it is telling me my display is running at  1688x944 @ 30hz. I am using a HD tv and want to change these values to 1920x1080 @ 60hz to match the HD tv
[19:29] <benny1> BTW- Display panel offers no option to change these via GUI
[19:29] <phillw> okies Sonm, let me do a bit more digging for you.
[19:30] <phillw> Sonm: can you give me the result of
[19:30] <phillw>         $ echo $JAVA_HOME
[19:31] <phillw> the 1st $ is your prompt, don't type it
[19:31] <phillw> echo $JAVA_HOME
[19:31] <Sonm> Thanks sure... Actually it gives no result, but I was doing lots of things going here and there with export JAVA_HOME and export PATH...
[19:32] <phillw> okies, no result is good :-)
[19:32] <Sonm> LOL
[19:32] <benny1> Anyone able to advise on changing display mode?
[19:32] <Sonm> well, practically speaking yes:))
[19:34] <phillw> Sonm: what does  ls /usr/java  give ?
[19:34] <benny1> phillw: Sorry to interrupt how do i get to the ps ubuntu chat page? is it #psubuntu? I don#t know how to look!?
[19:35] <phillw> benny1: never heard of ps ubuntu ?
[19:35] <phillw> there are no spaces on channel pages
[19:36] <benny1> phillw: ubuntu on PS3 chat like the one wer're in now? someone told me a night or two ago and I forgot the link and i reinstalled
[19:37] <Sonm> phillw: you mean ls -l /usr/bin/java?
[19:38] <Sonm> ls /usr/java doesn't exist...
[19:38] <phillw> benny1: try googling +IRC playstation +ubuntu
[19:38] <phillw> Sonm: looks like jdk is no installed, then. How did you install it ?
[19:39] <Sonm> rofl... I started answering you in the terminal... Well, jdk is installed... did it in a standard way together wuth jre sudo apt-get install blah blah
[19:40] <benny1> phillw: Thanks!
[19:40] <benny1> Oops i think I sent that "Phrea" I'm such a newb dunno what that means
[19:40] <drubin> nhandler: yes kinda
[19:41] <drubin> Sonm: You still need java help
[19:42] <Sonm> pdrubin: what kind of java help?
[19:42] <phillw> thanks drubin  - I'm in lubuntu 10.04a3 atm, so would have to re-boot to find the packages :-)
[19:43] <drubin> Sonm: You meantioned something about JAVA_HOME
[19:43] <drubin> is that sorted or do you need help
[19:44] <Sonm> drubin: I think my OpenLaszlo isn't able to locate JDK... cause when I start it it sayd that the JAVA_HOME var is not defined...
[19:44] <phillw> drubin: he's stuck at this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8907083  where it does not show, and the ls returns nothing
[19:44] <drubin> Sonm: That is fine you can get around that by adding  export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/ to your ~/.bashrc file at the end
[19:46] <Sonm> I've tried the fololowing: ls -l /usr/bin/java... after some iteartions it brought me to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[19:47] <Sonm> I did export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun and then export PATH
[19:48] <drubin> that should work
[19:48] <Sonm> but then I've found a broken JDK link in the JAVA folder  and my tomcat gave my that I should point to JDK not JRE stuff
[19:48] <drubin> try java-6-sun/bin/
[19:49] <Sonm> No such file or dir...
[19:50] <Sonm> Sorry, wrong chat... I mean I did but with no any success...
[19:51] <Sonm> Maybe I have to reinstall JAVA?
[19:52] <drubin> Sonm: what does aptitude show sun-java6-jdk
[19:52] <drubin>  give you
[19:53] <Sonm> Package: sun-java6-jdk
[19:53] <Sonm> State: installed
[19:53] <Sonm> Automatically installed: no
[19:53] <Sonm> Version: 6-15-1
[19:53] <Sonm> Priority: optional
[19:53] <Sonm> Section: multiverse/devel
[19:53] <Sonm> Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <Sonm> Uncompressed Size: 58.0M
[19:53] <Sonm> Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-15-1), libc6, libx11-6
[19:53] <Sonm> PreDepends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
[19:53] <Sonm> Suggests: sun-java6-demo, sun-java6-doc, sun-java6-source
[19:53] <Sonm> Provides: java-compiler, java-sdk, java2-compiler, java2-sdk, java5-sdk,
[19:53] <Sonm>           java6-sdk
[19:53] <Sonm> UPS... sorry
[19:54] <drubin> Sonm: that is odd
[19:54] <Sonm> drubin: more than
[19:55] <Sonm> that
[19:55] <drubin> because if sun-java6-jdk is installed then you should have /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/
[19:55] <drubin> Sonm: do a ls -lha /usr/lib/jvm/
[19:55] <drubin> but pastebin that
[19:55] <Sonm> Yes I do have that folder
[19:55] <drubin> Sonm: I want to see what is inside there :)
[19:56] <Sonm> sure
[19:56] <Sonm> bin        ext      jdk  lib      man          THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.txt
[19:56] <Sonm> COPYRIGHT  include  jre  LICENSE  README.html
[19:57] <Sonm> JDK is the broken link tho...
[19:57] <drubin> no /usr/lib/jvm/
[19:57] <drubin> but ye maybe reinstalling is just easier
[19:58] <Sonm> err... but I guess that the problem is with jdk broken link... isn't it?
[19:59] <Sonm> there is a file called jdk and UBUNTU marks it as a broken link
[20:00] <drubin> Sonm: where does it link too
[20:00] <drubin> Sonm: are you doing this from the GUI or command line
[20:01] <Sonm> drubin: terminal only and it links to non exiting /usr/java/jdk
[20:02] <Sonm> GUI is the EVIL!:)
[20:06] <drubin> hehe
[20:07] <drubin> Sonm: Please pastebin ls -lha /usr/lib/jvm/*
[20:09] <Sonm> drubin: goodness... it gave quite some text!
[20:09] <drubin> Sonm: that is why I said pastebin
[20:09] <Sonm> how do I do that?
[20:09] <ghostofmybrain_> pastebin.com
[20:10] <Sonm> thanks... brb
[20:10] <drubin> Sonm: I think    ls -lha /usr/lib/jvm/* | pastebinit might work
[20:12] <Sonm> drubin: http://pastebin.com/ux4UWJrJ
[20:14] <drubin> Sonm: something there is very funky
[20:14] <drubin> Sonm: I would remove all java stuff and then reinstall it
[20:14] <Sonm> ROFL
[20:15] <Sonm> Weeeeell :)))
[20:15] <Sonm> Okay!
[20:17] <ghostofmybrain_> how do I download something through the command line?
[20:17] <ghostofmybrain_> I'm at this website (on my windows machine) and there is a link to download this rar file
[20:17] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: You can use wget (man wget) for that
[20:18] <ghostofmybrain_> how do I convert the information of that into what I need to enter into the command line?
[20:18] <ghostofmybrain_> I know how to do it on a site where it provides the link for the linux download, I jus tdon't know how when it isn't provided
[20:18] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: You should be able to do 'wget URL' to download the file (that is the most basic form)
[20:18] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: What is the site?
[20:18] <Sonm> drubin: done... now java -version gives me java version "1.6.0_0"
[20:19] <Sonm> drubin: should I remove that either?
[20:19] <ghostofmybrain_> http://www.forum.wiaderko.com/en/przydatne-pluginy-amx-i-amxx/118265-voices-plugin-management-to-manage-the-voice-on-the-server-dead-can-talk-se-zoba.html
[20:20] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: Darn. It wants an account to allow you to download the files. If you are restricted to a terminal, you might want to try lynx (a CLI web browser)
[20:22] <ghostofmybrain_> If it didn't require a login, what would I do?
[20:22] <drubin> or download onto your windows machine and scp it across
[20:22] <drubin> ghostofmybrain_: copy the link and do   wget <link_here>
[20:23] <ghostofmybrain_> I tried that yesterday with something and it didn't work. Let me find an example and perhaps you could show me the exact thing to do
[20:24] <ghostofmybrain_> http://www.cstrike-planet.com/maps/2558-de_dust_night
[20:24] <Sonm> drubin: jave is completely removed... shall I install it again using synaptic or just sudo apt-get?
[20:24] <Sonm> java*
[20:24] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: What on that page did you want to download ?
[20:24] <ghostofmybrain_> de_dust_night.zip
[20:25]  * nhandler waits while his download request is being prepared.
[20:25] <ghostofmybrain_> i forget what you press to auto-complete a person's name at the beginning of the message...
[20:25] <drubin> Sonm: makes no difference, but make sure you only install sun-java6-jdk :)
[20:25] <nhandler> ghostofmybrain_: wget http://www.cstrike-planet.com/dl/0179a8f26f0f242f5848f978c9983b1e/4b9d4621/maps/cstrike/de/de_dust_night.zip
[20:26] <drubin> ghostofmybrain_: tab
[20:26] <Sonm> drubin: Am on my way, thank you!
[20:26] <ghostofmybrain_> +nhandler: how did you get that URL?
[20:26] <drubin> Sonm: hope it helps
[20:27] <nhandler> I looked at the source of the page you linked to.
[20:27] <ghostofmybrain_> Ohhhh
[20:27] <nhandler> I did a search of the source for .zip to find the URL
[20:28] <ghostofmybrain_> Ok, cool, that helps a bunch, thanks
[20:29] <Sonm> drubin: it's done...
[20:29] <drubin> nhandler: grep ftw
[20:29] <phillw> drubin: are you 'into' android programming with sdk ?
[20:29] <drubin> unless you did things via firefox's gui thingy
[20:29] <nhandler> drubin: Nah, I just did Ctrl+F in chromium
[20:29] <drubin> phillw: yes
[20:30] <drubin> nhandler: blah.. ;/
[20:30] <drubin> :)
[20:31] <phillw> kewl, could you have a quick look at http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1235767  and either bring it upto date, or tell me where I should send people. It's been a while since I did anything like that & would appreciate an upto date 'How-To' .. thanks.
[20:32] <phillw> drubin: , oh, you don't need the newyork bit - it's just the one it comes up with via google !!!
[20:34] <Sonm> *sighs*
[20:35] <Sonm> drubin: Sir, which java gives me  /usr/bin/java... again
[20:35] <Sonm> drubin: and echo $JAVA_HOME gives nothing
[20:36] <drubin> Sonm: do a ls -lha /usr/lib/jvm/*
[20:36] <drubin> and try adding export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/sun... thingy again
[20:38] <Sonm> drubin: http://pastebin.com/5Rh5LvzD thanks for your time
[20:42] <drubin> Sonm: does that export java_home thing work
[20:42] <drubin> else I have no idea. you can try   using just the sun-java/  or the /bin/ or the /jdk
[20:43] <Sonm> I did export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun and then did export PATH adding bin... still can't run my stuff... *sighs*
[20:43] <Sonm> drubin: how do I locate my jdk folder?
[20:44] <drubin> it should be the /usr/lib/jvm/ thingy or at least a sub folder in there
[20:49] <Sonm> drubin: thank you
[21:06] <ghostofmybrain_> I can't figure out how to get the attached file off this page http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=69006
[21:06] <ghostofmybrain_> it's where you click "Get Plugin", and the file is Voices-Management.amxx
[21:07] <ghostofmybrain_> i couldn't find it in the source code like I was doing with other downloads
[21:19] <ghostofmybrain_> how would I use scp to get a file from my windows machine to my linux machine?
[21:20] <pedro3005> hey ghostofmybrain_
[21:20] <ghostofmybrain_> hello pedro
[21:20] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, where is the file?
[21:21] <ghostofmybrain_> on my windows machine. I'm trying to get it to the linux machine. Both are connected to the internet through the same router
[21:21] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/154/copy-files-remotely-using-scp-in-ubuntu
[21:23] <jamesrfla> Does anybody know what Bus Speed DMI is?
[21:25] <jamesrfla> Oh wait nevermind found it
[21:26] <ghostofmybrain_> how do I install the pachage openssh-server without using thesynaptic package manager
[21:27] <jamesrfla> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[21:27] <ghostofmybrain_> oh yeah lol
[21:30] <ghostofmybrain_> hmmm, I can't get that to work
[21:31] <benny1> Hello, Im new to linux, i have installed ubuntu 9.04 on my ps3. does anyone know how to change display settings to match my HD tv?
[21:33] <jamesrfla> ghostofmybrain_: try sudo apt-get update then try that commmand again
[21:36] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: are you thinking about letting the computer you're putting openssh-server any where an internet connection ?
[21:36] <phillw> *anywhere near an*
[21:36] <ghostofmybrain_> yes
[21:37] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: may i advise caution, I rushed mine and got royally hacked and tunnlelled through
[21:37] <jamesrfla> lol
[21:37] <benny1> is it possible to downgrade to ubuntu 9.04 if i upgrade to 9.10 and i have compatibility issues?
[21:38] <jamesrfla> benny1: never tried a downgrade before. I would just back up your data and do a clean install
[21:38] <benny1> jamesrfla: Thanks, also i Xubuntu something I install after ubuntu or is this a derivative of it?
[21:38] <benny1> is*
[21:39] <ghostofmybrain_> how do I uninstall it? I figured out a way to do it without the openssh thing
[21:39] <jamesrfla> ghostofmybrain_: sudo apt-get remove openssh-server
[21:40] <jamesrfla> benny1: Xubuntu is different from Ubuntu
[21:40] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046738  you will find an excellent resource by bodhi-zazen .... twiddles thumbs waiting for some to say his stuff is not to be followed ;-)
[21:41] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: you'll have to trust me on that one - it is LOT more involved than it looks - i made one mistake and it all went horribly wrong
[21:41] <benny1> jamesrfla: I have heard I can install a window manager called fluxbox which is lighter on my limited system resources than the standard one is but i can't find it in synaptic, am i doing something wrong?
[21:42] <ghostofmybrain_> phillw: I installed lynx and just downloaded it on the linux machine instead of having to download it on windows and transfer it over
[21:42] <jamesrfla> Yeah there is a window manager called fluxbox but not sure if it is in the repository
[21:42] <benny1> how does someone do that if its not there?
[21:42] <jamesrfla> download the .deb from fluxbox web site
[21:43] <benny1> do I open that like a normal program as in installing from an exe in windows or is it something i have to do in terminal?
[21:43] <phillw> benny1: you would need to backup your /home area. after that, you have a choice of xubuntu with xfce or in 6 weeks time, lubuntu with lxde -- depends on how tight you need to run it in
[21:44] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: I'd REALLY advise reading that thread, honest !!!
[21:44] <benny1> phillw: I want to use the lightest possible system i dont care about looking fancy. as long as I can full screen vlc. and use the internet and a torrent client I will be satisfied, speed is of the essence.
[21:45] <ghostofmybrain_> phillw: ok, I will read it now
[21:46] <benny1> phillw: I have only been going on this for 4 days now i dont think i have anything of value to back up if i install one of those I can have firefox, transmission and vlc anyway right?
[21:46] <phillw> I dunno about the over-head of xfce Vs lxde, but as far as i know, lxde is the lower overhead. xubuntu is stable and can be got now, lubuntu is only available as 10.04 alpha, but as with all the ubuntu families, they all go 'live' at the end of April - so have a try and see which suits you best.
[21:49] <phillw> benny1: xunbuntu comes with FFox default browser, lubuntu comes with chromium default browser. To put it very simplistcally.. lubuntu requires less resources than xubuntu, but there is no point using lubuntu and putting FFox on - you would probably be better with xubuntu, UNLESS you want the lxde GUI over the XCFE one.
[21:49] <phillw> << hopes I'm some where near correct :-)
[21:50] <benny1> phillw: thanks, I am able to do everything at the moment I want really only having a couple of problems, 1. system kinda slow and not using vram as swap like YDL linux did, but this is much more user freindly. 2, and I think they are the same so I put them as one query, when full screen in vlc video appears divided into columns with green lines. (vertical) I think this is cause my display is at incorrect res and refresh rate...
[21:51] <benny1> is that i or L as a prefix? never used chromium, i imagine it will do fine.
[21:51] <phillw> benny1: maybe it is better to tell us the spec of your computer and we can tell you which of the family to use ?
[21:51] <benny1> oh this is on a PS3.
[21:52] <phillw> benny, lubuntu is a little 'L' - as to putting stuff via PS3 ... pass. You'd have to ask of someone who has more knowledge
[21:53] <benny1> I have no PC hence why I am stuggling along with this, although actually seems better than windows, despite being pretty sure not quite configured correctly is as fast as many of my mates win pc's!
[21:53] <benny1> Okay i will have a look and see if lubuntu supports ps3.
[21:54] <benny1> do you know how to manually edit display settings?
[21:55] <phillw> I don't know about PS3's, sorry - I'll have a dig and see if I can find you a resource for information -- give me a cple of minutes.
[21:55] <benny1> phillw:  i have found a couple over at psubuntu.cm about black bars / overscan but i'm apprehensive about sudo and its all over my head.
[21:56] <benny1> psubuntu.com sorry.
[21:56] <phillw> benny1: try #ubuntu-ps3
[21:56] <benny1> ahhh thanks
[21:56] <benny1> is there a way to favourite these in pidgin?
[22:00] <phillw> benny1: dunno, I haven't tried ... give me moment !!!
[22:01] <benny1> sorry.
[22:02] <phillw> benny1: yes there is
[22:02] <phillw> Click on 'Conversations' then "add"
[22:03] <phillw> it should then appear in your buddy list ... that's kewl :-)
[22:03] <benny1> phillw: Thanks! I'll never remember all these
[22:03] <phillw> benny1:  I'm adding mine, now !!!
[22:05] <ghostofmybrain_> how do you search a directory for a file, and how do you go up one level in teh directory?
[22:06] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: to search you use ls
[22:06] <phillw> with varying flags
[22:06] <phillw> ls -a = all files, including hidden
[22:08] <phillw> ghostofmybrain_: if you go here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065  you can get the manual, it's well worth having !!!!
[22:09] <benny1> phillw: Another newbie question... What can I do in ubuntu that I can't do with windows. is there any particular advantages, apart from maybe stability security. I realise it's an OS and the things to do will likely be in other programs, but what can I tinker with to learn it and how linux works as an absolute beginner?
[22:10] <phillw> benny1: you see the thread posting above ? -- go get it !!!!
[22:12] <benny1> phillw:  Thanks should be plenty of food for thought.
[22:12] <phillw> If this area is quiet, then the beginners area on the main forum is --> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326
[22:12] <phillw> It's run by the same people on all the forum areas,
[22:13] <benny1> Is it quite active? the psubuntu,com forum was almost dead with inactivity!
[22:17] <benny1> this might be a daft question... But I think Ubuntu is good, never had any cause to not use windows before, same old familiar windows... but if it runs this well on the limited PS3 resources... why on earth isn't it on most PC's?
[22:18] <phillw> ahhh.... now, there you would have to ask someone else :-D
[22:18] <ghostofmybrain_> How do I stop something that I have running in the background?
[22:19] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, kill <pid>
[22:19] <pedro3005> or killall <name>
[22:19] <benny1> get a problem with windows, you are on you're own... get a problem with linux there seems to be a good community of freindly advisors to point you in the right direction.
[22:21] <pedro3005> benny1, :D
[22:22] <benny1> Oh hi pedro, yeah i was referring to you aswell!!
[22:22] <pedro3005> benny1, hope you got stuff working
[22:23] <benny1> yeah only a few niggles now... I have found guides for somethings I want to do, but i'm worried about destroying things in the process...
[22:24] <phillw> benny1: if in doubt, either ask here, or on the forum
[22:25] <phillw> btw @ pedro3005  BOOO!!
[22:25] <pedro3005> phillw, :(
[22:25] <benny1> Okay does this look safe to do, as little as I know so far, I know that I dont want to be typing sudo in every five minutes....
[22:25] <benny1> http://psubuntu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2391&sid=ba756d678515818e09691b900010144d
[22:27] <pedro3005> benny1, looks safe
[22:28] <benny1> pedro3005: Thanks I started it before but when i rebooted it wasn't how the guide said it would be so I guess I didnt quite do it correctly.
[22:30] <benny1> sudo nano -w /etc/init.d/fbset.sh - didnt give the file that the guide anticipated it was empty so I assume I created it. and thus there isn't anything looking at the file to read it and change accordingly.
[22:32] <pedro3005> benny1, are you sure you typed it correctly?
[22:33] <benny1> I thought so, I checked it but then again as the resolution and refresh rate aren't correct its a little tricky to read!
[22:33] <pedro3005> benny1, heh
[22:33] <benny1> would there normally be a file at that location, even if not on ps3?
[22:34] <pedro3005> benny1, only if you installed fbset I guess
[22:35] <pedro3005> benny1, are you sure you installed it?
[22:35] <benny1> Not anymore!
[22:36] <benny1> I did type and return the following....
[22:36] <benny1> benny@PS3:~$ sudo fbset
[22:36] <benny1> mode "1688x964-60"
[22:36] <benny1>     # D: 74.178 MHz, H: 33.717 kHz, V: 59.942 Hz
[22:36] <benny1>     geometry 1688 964 1688 964 32
[22:36] <benny1>     timings 13481 264 160 94 62 88 5
[22:36] <benny1>     bcast true
[22:36] <benny1>     laced true
[22:36] <pedro3005> benny1, oh wait
[22:36] <benny1>     rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24
[22:36] <benny1> endmode
[22:36] <pedro3005> benny1, I think the file is supposed to be empty
[22:36] <pedro3005> benny1, so go ahead
[22:38] <benny1> geometry matches the resolution i am it, which is a little smaller than the screen, 1688x964 @ 30 mhz refresh...   I need to edit this to be 1920x1080 @ 60 to match my tv so im not sure where I am going wrong.
[22:40] <pedro3005> benny1, did you create the file /etc/init.d/fbset.sh and put the info there accordingly?
[22:41] <benny1> Would "udo nano -w /etc/init.d/fbset.sh" do this if it wasn't already present?
[22:41] <benny1> sudo oops
[22:42] <benny1> brb going to smoke a cigarette outside...
[22:44] <benny1> oh btw if this is of any assistance I am using "petitboot" as the boot loader not sure if this applies to anyone not on a ps3 instead of "kboot" this is displaying at the correct resoltion
[22:45] <ghostofmybrain_> so how do I stop a background program again?
[22:46] <ghostofmybrain_> kill pid, but how do I know the pid?
[22:47] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, ps aux to see all the process
[22:47] <pedro3005> ps aux | grep firefox
[22:47] <pedro3005> that will find process with firefox on the name
[22:47] <pedro3005> :)
[22:48] <geirha> ghostofmybrain_: A process you backgrounded in an interactive bash shell?
[22:48] <ghostofmybrain_> geirha: I don't think so. I'm just at a command line
[22:48] <geirha> Use jobs to list it, then ''kill %1'' if it's job 1 you want to kill.
[22:49] <geirha> If you ran it with ''command &'' in the same "command-line", then that should work.
[22:50] <ghostofmybrain_> argh I can't figure it out
[22:52] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, what?
[22:52] <ghostofmybrain_> I can't figure out how to end the process
[22:52] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, also you may want to use killall if you know the name of the process
[22:53] <ghostofmybrain_> I can't figure out the name of the process lol
[22:54] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, ps aux
[22:54] <ghostofmybrain_> Yeah, it was really confusing looking
[22:56] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, try ps aux | less
[23:00] <ghostofmybrain_> ok
[23:00] <ghostofmybrain_> now how do I get back to the command line?
[23:00] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, Q
[23:02] <ghostofmybrain_> oh hurray! I did it! thanks :D
[23:02] <pedro3005> ghostofmybrain_, :D
[23:16] <JinkhinJ> pedro 3005, hooked up to a direct cable connection. internet came through perfect. completed the instrucitons you said "cd /media/cdrom/pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter*". System ran number of changes. I also went to the update manager and had some 200 updates listed and installed all of them. Still not sure if my Wireless Linksys USB will work once I remove the modem and try to go wireless.
[23:16] <pedro3005> JinkhinJ, it should ;)
[23:17] <JinkhinJ> will see what happens
[23:17] <JinkhinJ> thanks


[12:06] <sergiusens> not sure if it was discussed somewhere else, so FTR, oSoMoN came back and said that the build was failing as it ran out of disk space.
[12:12] <oSoMoN> yeah, every part in that snap would download and unpack a chromium source tarball (~600MB), with several copies of it (src and build directories). I removed a couple of outdated parts and that did the trick
[12:12] <oSoMoN> not sure how much disk space is available for the builders
[12:13] <oSoMoN> as far as I'm concerned, problem solved
[12:13] <oSoMoN> although it would be nice if instead of hanging indefinitely the builders would fail and report clearly that the cause of the failure is a full disk
[12:18] <wgrant> They have ~60GB to work with
[12:18] <wgrant> Some ENOSPC cases are handled nicely, but not all :(
[12:31] <oSoMoN> wgrant, want me to file a bug with details?
[12:31] <wgrant> Not really :)
[12:38] <cjwatson> I had a patch to improve that lying around a while back
[12:39] <cjwatson> Fiddly to test properly though
[12:41] <cjwatson> But in any case, it's already https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1387993
[16:45] <popey> Does vcs import work on staging? Asking because I wanted to test out there before doing for real in live launchpad.
[18:11] <cjwatson> popey: qastaging yes, staging no
[18:12] <cjwatson> (or should do anyway; we only tend to check that when we're actually working on the code import code, so it isn't very robust)
[18:12] <popey> cjwatson: thanks.


[10:33] <Skyrider> Greetings all
[10:34] <Skyrider> Can someone tell me an alternative to cron which has the ability to do jobs in a specific year?
[10:36] <jelly> apart from the obvious workaround, checking the year inside the job?
[10:38] <Skyrider> Mh, didn't considering using year check in the script.
[10:39] <jelly> systemd.timer(5) units seem to be able to specify an absolute timestamp with OnCalendar=
[10:39] <Skyrider> Thanks, will check it out :)
[11:15] <Skyrider> Lovely.. Attempted to remove disk file system, and we can't allow that
[11:16] <Skyrider> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CsgTnb39p7/ - What I have thus far. Could be wrong, but still attempting to improve it.
[11:16] <Skyrider> But thus far, getting: /etc/systemd/system/./inferno-daily.timer:8: Unknown section 'Service'. Ignoring. Attempted to remove disk file system, and we can't allow that.
[11:27] <Orcs53> Hi! I've got a question for you guys. I have a Raspberry Pi 3B+ with Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS installed, and USB webcam attached. I am trying to stream the webcam A/V using VLC, thus far I have had success streaming the Video, but not yet the audio, I note no audio device are registered in the system. What software would I need to install to get the
[11:27] <Orcs53> microphone from the webcam to show as an audio device?
[11:27] <Orcs53> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
[12:36] <Skyrider> Wow this systemd timer is annoying...
[12:36] <Skyrider> enable name.timer works just fine, but when I attempt to start it getting error printed out "Refusing to start, unit to trigger not loaded"
[12:39] <ahasenack> Skyrider: a timer needs a service unit as well, do you have that, with the same name?
[12:39]  * ahasenack reads up
[12:39] <Skyrider> Ya, I do. Otherwise the SH file couldn't run with enable.
[12:40] <Skyrider> When I run the enable command, the sh from service is being run. Just can't start it.
[12:40] <ahasenack> the service has to stay put, not started. On what do you run the enable command?
[12:40] <Skyrider> `systemctl enable backup.timer` - `systemctl start backup.timer`
[12:40] <Skyrider> Only trying to start the timer file.
[12:41] <ahasenack> and what does "systemctl list-timers" say about the backup timer?
[12:41] <ahasenack> I don't remember now if one has to "start" the timer
[12:41] <Skyrider> 0 listed timers, using --all it shows the inactive timer I setup, all with n/a
[12:42] <ahasenack> 0 timers? Is this a normal ubuntu system, or something stripped down?
[12:42] <ahasenack> you should have many timers listed, without --all
[12:42] <Skyrider> I filtered by my timer name.
[12:42] <Skyrider> Without any filters, the rest of the system timers shows up in the list :)
[12:42] <ahasenack> ok, good :)
[12:42] <Skyrider> I'll pastebin the 2 files :p might make it easier.. maybe I messed up.
[12:42] <ahasenack> lemme see your paste
[12:43] <ahasenack> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CsgTnb39p7/ is what you pasted before, right
[12:43] <Skyrider> Ya, I messed up the above paste. Wasn't aware service & timer had to be there as 2 files. I assumed timer was one.
[12:43] <ahasenack> a timer doesn't have... ah, ok
[12:43] <Skyrider> 1 sec
[12:43] <ahasenack> a timer is just another way to start a service, in the end
[12:44] <Skyrider> Service file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vydKfxjQzY/
[12:44] <Skyrider> Timer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zQWSBfxvJF/
[12:44] <Skyrider> I included "requires" on a later time when it wasn't working. I often check google for some help.
[12:45] <Skyrider> Still doesn't work I might add ^_^
[12:45] <Skyrider> Aw, crap.. I see why it doesn't work now..  Thanks for your assistance. I was stupid that I didn't catch on the unit name.
[12:47] <ahasenack> happy to help :)
[12:48] <Skyrider> Systemd has no specific seconds that it can time, does it?
[12:48] <ahasenack> what do you mean?
[12:49] <Skyrider> I'll ask again later when I remember what I wanted to ask ^_^, thanks.
[12:50] <ahasenack> :)
[12:50] <ahasenack> systemd.timer(5) has tons of options, as usual
[12:50] <ahasenack> not easily digestable in one go
[12:55] <Skyrider> Noticed, just a shame it takes up extra files rather than a single user cron file ^_^
[13:01] <Skyrider> Ah, right.. think I know what to ask.. I think with cron, it's impossible to run cron jobs at 59's second of each minute. (1 second before hitting 1 minute)
[13:01] <Skyrider> Wonder if you can do that with systemd.
[13:05] <Skyrider> I use this https://crontab.guru/ to double check the cron timers in the past. Does something similar exists for systemd timer?
[13:39] <Skyrider> ahasenack: Do you happen to know if I wish to make a systemd timer to run between 9 and 59 at every 10 minutes, it checks at every 10 min? Systemd seems to check only the first 9th min to run, and start after that. But doesn't check every 10 minute when to run after when its past that 9th minute.
[13:40] <Skyrider> With cron I was able to use 9-59/10 * * * * for that
[13:50] <Skyrider> maybe 09/10 will do the trick
[17:16] <ahasenack> Skyrider: timers have a random "fuzz" added to the time, so they don't always run at the exact same time
[17:16] <ahasenack> Skyrider: that is configurable, but there are many options about it and it can be confusing