[03:38] <alfonsojon> I just found the search & launch feature.
[03:38] <alfonsojon> oh my god whoever helped make that possible, THANK YOU
[03:39] <alfonsojon> There needs to be a "Thanks" form to fill out or som ething xD
[03:39] <alfonsojon> something*
[03:39] <smartboyhw> Normally, thanks is expressed by sending an email to Riddell :P
[03:43] <valorie> alfonsojon: you mean alt+f2?
[03:43] <valorie> aka krunner
[03:44] <valorie> if so, I agree that is is uber-awesome
[03:55] <alfonsojon> I like alt-f2
[03:55] <alfonsojon> love it
[03:55] <alfonsojon> It's better than just about every other DE's alt-f2 function
[03:55] <alfonsojon> I'm talking about the Search & Launch desktop UI
[03:59] <valorie> ah, ok
[05:19] <smartboyhw> Hey JontheEchidna
[05:19] <smartboyhw> Oops, not here:P
[06:42] <Nalkem> hello
[06:51] <Nalkem> and now a crash .(
[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:12] <Nalkem> how i can prevent akonadi crashing my computer ...?
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:33] <coz_> hey guys  I am on ubuntu 13.04 with nvidia g73 and cannot enable fastwrites and SBA
[12:34] <BluesKaj> coz_, SBA?
[12:34] <coz_> BluesKaj:   Side Band Adressing
[12:35] <BluesKaj> coz_, which nvidia driver ?
[12:36] <coz_> BluesKaj:  this is an old  agp slot card,, was easy to enable these prior to 12.04 but noticed yesterday I cannot enable the "method" i used to use
[12:38] <BluesKaj> does the nvidia-current driver run it ?
[12:39] <coz_> BluesKaj:  yes it does
[12:40] <BluesKaj> what is side band addressing ? , never heard of it
[12:40] <coz_> BluesKaj:  let me get link , hold on
[12:40] <BluesKaj> coz_,^
[12:43] <coz_> BluesKaj:   sorry cant find link but this:   Sideband Addressing is an AGP feature which allows additional channels to transmit data between the video card and the rest of the system.
[12:44] <coz_> BluesKaj:  enabling both, speeds up  the video quite a bit
[12:46] <BluesKaj> coz_, i found an expalnation , looks like agp should never have been dropped in favour od pcix
[12:47] <coz_> BluesKaj:  oh? "(
[12:47] <coz_> darn
[12:47] <coz_> BluesKaj:  ok thanks guy
[12:48] <BluesKaj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port
[12:48] <BluesKaj> coz_, at least from what i've read so far , agp seems superior technically
[12:49] <coz_> BluesKaj:  sad for older systems,, many clients still have them "( but thanks,, I will see what I can do
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yeah i had an old pc with huge agp video card used by security dept at my workplace ..it handled 8 video cameras , but it was useless to me when I got the pc
[14:42] <dougiel> anyone have any experience wiit virtual box I cannot get osx windows dos or win 3.11 installed
[14:43] <Kottizen> Hi, ehm... I pressed something by accident, I think it was Fn + F11 (or some other key close to F11) and disabled my touchpad. It looks like: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/01/plasma-desktopBa1943.png
[14:43] <Kottizen> What should I do? I'm currently using a regular USB mouse, but I'd like to enable the touchpad again.
[16:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> Well, I asked in #kde about 15min ago and got no answers (oir even speaking) so I guess I will ask here
[16:03] <GiGaHuRtZ> Any suggestions on a program that can search for dupe MP3 files in folders, and delete the things? Preferably GUI, I gounf one, but I donno it doesnt seem to work right or something
[16:03] <GiGaHuRtZ> Preferably a QT one, but it doesn't have to be if it does what I need it to
[16:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> I found one, called dupeguru, and they have version for all sorts of things, music, pictures etc. I tried out the dupeguru_me (music edition) and it seemed to find all my dupes and stuff, and I asked it to delete, but I donno, didnt seem to work
[16:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> I think I may have been doing something wrong, not sure
[16:12] <dougiel> Anyone familiar with skype under 13.04 I dont  transmit any audio and capture device says none
[16:50] <alfonsojon> Hi, I'm looking for an equivalent to this command with wget
[16:50] <alfonsojon> curl http://setup.roblox.com:80/version.txt
[16:51] <alfonsojon> What's the equivalent in wget?
[16:51] <alfonsojon> (if any?)
[16:56] <alfonsojon> Nevermind, figured it out
[16:56] <alfonsojon> curl http://setup.roblox.com:80/version.txt = wget -O- -q http://setup.roblox.com:80/version.txt
[17:18] <juniormendonca> HOW TO mount remote folters using SSH?
[17:21] <Tm_T> juniormendonca: sshfs
[17:22] <juniormendonca> only and best way?
[17:25] <Tm_T> juniormendonca: not only, but it's rather simple and working way
[17:25] <Tm_T> juniormendonca: you can make temporary or permanent mounts with it
[17:25] <juniormendonca> ok... looking for command line. tks
[17:25] <Tm_T> juniormendonca: you can browse over ssh with Dolphin just fine though
[17:33] <draikx> Hello. I did a kernel upgrade yesterday and upon rebooting, my display is offset by about an inch to the right. I am using my TV with 1920x1080 resolution, and VGA port. Using 'xvidtune' does not help, as it reports any and all changes as "invalid".
[17:34] <draikx> I've also been looking online, but I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for my 13.04 installation.
[17:34] <draikx> If it matters, this is for my Asus nettop box (EB1501)
[17:47] <kdef> kubuntu keeps changing the time displayed to UTC
[17:47] <kdef> kubuntu sucks
[17:52] <genii> kdef: Have you set a timezone?
[17:52] <genii> !xorgconf draikx
[17:53] <genii> !xorgconf | draikx
[17:53] <draikx> This issue seems to only appear with 1920x1080 resolution. I just went down to 1280x1024 and I don't have the offset issue.
[17:55] <draikx> Thank you, genii. I'll give that a try.
[18:21] <kdef> genii:  I've fixed it before but it's back to UTC time
[19:01] <aboudreault> why would my microphone be disabled in kde? I don't see any capture device
[19:01] <aboudreault> I just tested a ubuntu live cd and I could use my microphone
[19:08] <linksleep> can anyone help me? im new to linux and im running kubuntu and i cant seem to play a video it is all choppy and i finly give up
[21:48] <Guest40177> hola a todos
[23:06] <alfonsojon> Hi, how can I make my task manager iconified?
[23:06] <alfonsojon> As in remove the text and keep it icon-only
[23:07] <alfonsojon> I have so many windows open at the same time, but I really don't like grouping
[23:08] <bootkiller> use icon-tasks
[23:09] <bootkiller> and remove the default one
[23:12] <alfonsojon> thanks
[23:12] <alfonsojon> :D
[23:14] <alfonsojon> Is there a way to make icon-tasks "bigger" though?
[23:14] <alfonsojon> As in add padding to the icons
[23:14] <alfonsojon> it seems squashed.
[23:15] <bootkiller> increase spacing in the options
[23:15] <bootkiller> the icons also stretch to the height of the panel
[23:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> I got a problem im not sure how to fix now.  By mistake I removed some core packages of KDE when removing something using a wildcard (*), stupid I know, but I caught it as it was trying to remove like 100 things
[23:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> It removed like 4 things, not sure exactly what they are, because my first instinct was to close the term
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> So then I did a dpkg --congiure -a, then went ahead and tried doing an upgrade, it doesnt want to upgrade anything, but a TON of packages are marked as autoremovable now
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> whats weird is the thing I was removing with a wildcard was just wine*
[23:20] <wxl> GiGaHuRtZ: did you try looking at /var/log/apt/history.log and see what happened?
[23:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> thanks, i was trying to thing of what log it was
[23:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> And now i also learned a good lesson setting tricky aliases
[23:21] <wxl> :)
[23:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have apt-get aliases to always answer yes
[23:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> :P
[23:22] <GiGaHuRtZ> wtf, this was the command, apt-get --yes remove wine*
[23:22] <wxl> it should say under that what was actually done
[23:22] <GiGaHuRtZ> it tried to remove, fluxgui:amd64 (1.1.8), partitionmanager:amd64 (1.0.3-0ubuntu6), kubuntu-debug-installer:amd64 (13.04ubuntu3), k3b-i18n:amd64 (2.0.2-6ubuntu1), kpat:amd64 (4.10.95-0ubuntu$
[23:22] <GiGaHuRtZ> and more
[23:22] <GiGaHuRtZ> that makes no sense
[23:22] <wxl> apt wild cards can be inexplicable sometimes
[23:23] <GiGaHuRtZ> ya...
[23:23] <GiGaHuRtZ> it was the --yes alioas that hurt me
[23:23] <wxl> i'm sure it all makes sense somehow but…
[23:23] <GiGaHuRtZ> ya
[23:24] <GiGaHuRtZ> And I must have some that wants policykit-1-gnome (i forget what it may be), but that was to be installed on the same operation
[23:24] <GiGaHuRtZ> and since then it hasnt been, weird
[23:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> wxl: maybe you can help me
[23:25] <wxl> ?
[23:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have the HUGE list of packages, but is there some way to figure out what ones /actually/ got removed?
[23:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> I mean, the list is so but kate wraps it
[23:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> it kills like line length ;limit of 4096 char, lol
[23:26] <wxl> um
[23:26] <wxl> use vim? :)
[23:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> it wouldnt matter, thats not the issue
[23:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> the issue is, how do I know what like 4 of these things were removede
[23:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> one sec, ill paste so you can see
[23:26] <wxl> well if they all say they were removed they probably were
[23:26] <wxl> might be depends
[23:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> pretty positive they werentr
[23:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> I killed the process, etc
[23:27] <wxl> i.e. your wildcard resulted in 4 removals but they had a bunch of depends each so it actually resulted in a lot more
[23:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> no no
[23:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> im saying I caught it, after it removed the 4th thing
[23:27] <wxl> oh!
[23:28] <wxl> 1s
[23:28] <GiGaHuRtZ> just look at my paste though one sec
[23:28] <GiGaHuRtZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5938106/
[23:28] <wxl> /var/log/apt/term.log is the raw output
[23:28] <GiGaHuRtZ> heh ubuntu paste garbled it worse than everything else, (vi, kate etc)
[23:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> ok thanks
[23:29] <wxl> /var/log/dpkg.log can be helpful too
[23:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> that shows the 4 pkgs
[23:30] <GiGaHuRtZ> Removing akonadi-facebook ...Removing kde-config-pimactivity ...Removing libpimactivity4 ...Removing korganizer ...
[23:31] <valorie> GiGaHuRtZ: how about sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:31] <valorie> that should pull in everything necessary
[23:31] <GiGaHuRtZ> i will try it if giving these 4 back doesnt
[23:31] <GiGaHuRtZ> but kubuntu-desktop was not removed
[23:31] <GiGaHuRtZ> and its not like my system is just stock, its FAR from it
[23:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> oh phew
[23:32] <valorie> that's a meta-package
[23:32] <valorie> so no, it wouldn't have been removed
[23:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> adding those 4 back got rid of those 100+ autoremovals
[23:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> valorie: i know it is
[23:32] <valorie> cool
[23:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> but it gets autoremoved when you remove other things sometimes
[23:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> ive done it :P
[23:33] <GiGaHuRtZ> now to adjust my aliases :)
[23:34] <wxl> i'm sure you have rm aliased to rm -rf, too, right? XD
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> no lol
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have a seperate cmd for that
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> rmrf
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> ;)
[23:34] <wxl> hehe
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> and srm, sudo rm
[23:34] <FloodBotK1> GiGaHuRtZ: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:34]  * wxl slaps FloodBotK1
[23:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> heh
[23:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> wxl: if i remember correctly, in redhat the rm command always asks for confirmation
[23:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> or at least is used to back in the day
[23:35] <wxl> don't ask me. i haven't used hat-based distros in aeons
[23:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> Same, but I remember that when reading the RHCE course stuff
[23:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> Which probably makes sense for a server in some settings
[23:36] <wxl> oh i didn't know sysadmins made mistakes
[23:36] <wxl> :)
[23:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> haha
[23:40] <alfonsojon> Well, yeah
[23:40] <alfonsojon> I can make my panel bigger
[23:40] <alfonsojon> But to get the icon size I want, my panel will be about 50-60 pixels high.
[23:40] <alfonsojon> I just want something that's along the lines of Windows 7
[23:40] <alfonsojon> xD
[23:41] <GiGaHuRtZ> alfonsojon: what kubuntu version?
[23:41] <valorie> perhaps you'd rather have a full-screen type launcher?
[23:41] <valorie> homerun is the new one, as I recall
[23:41] <alfonsojon> I have Kubuntu 13.04
[23:41] <alfonsojon> And I tried search and launch
[23:41] <alfonsojon> And homerun
[23:41] <alfonsojon> They were alright but I prefer a traditional desktop
[23:41] <GiGaHuRtZ> I know they changed something to do with the panel launchers and such and the sizing in one of the newer kde releases
[23:42] <GiGaHuRtZ> not sure if it applies
[23:42] <alfonsojon> My goal is to make a Windows 7-like setup for users who want to switch from Windows 7 to Kubuntu easily
[23:42] <valorie> nice idea, GiGaHuRtZ
[23:42] <GiGaHuRtZ> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/29/kde-plasma-desktop-411s-new-task-manager
[23:43] <GiGaHuRtZ> im using 4.11RC or whatever you'd like to call it, but i havent played with what they are talking about in that blog post
[23:46] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone using this by chance? https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/samba-mounter
[23:46] <GiGaHuRtZ> Just curious if its GUI based
[23:47] <alfonsojon> Is there a way to add KDE 4.11 RC2 to my Kubuntu 13.04 system?
[23:47] <alfonsojon> I used Kubuntu 13.10 alpha and it was amazing
[23:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> ya
[23:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> look into the kde ppas
[23:47] <alfonsojon> But kdialog lagged terribly and I had to wait about 30 seconds to a minute waiting for the "Save As" dialog to open
[23:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[23:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> obviously do not use the staging one, lol
[23:50] <GiGaHuRtZ> I wish they changed the way apt interfaces with launchpad ppas, so for instance, if you have 10 ppas enabled, when you go to update apt-get, it just pulls from launchpad once for all those ppas, rather than sending a different request over and over and over
[23:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> That would be a neat feature imho
[23:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have 14 pull ppas, and it results in over 40 requests
[23:53] <alfonsojon> Raring only has 4.10
[23:53] <alfonsojon> I know I can use the saucy ppa
[23:53] <alfonsojon> But I'm just uncomfortable about mixing them.
[23:55] <bootkiller> alfonsojon, use project neon http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[23:55] <alfonsojon> Ah
[23:55] <alfonsojon> So it's the Plasma workspace, but as a differing fork as to not modify KDE 4.10
[23:55] <alfonsojon> Kind of like Chrome Canary, right?
[23:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> weird, I added that ppa for homerun just to try it, and I can see one of the pother packages in the ppa, but not homerun
[23:58] <bootkiller> alfonsojon, If I remember correctly it's separated development kde build for kubuntu and it doesn't affect your current kde install, you need to change to it in the login manager.
[23:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> alfonsojon: it wont affect your stable kde install
[23:58] <alfonsojon> Alrighty then
[23:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> it says so right on the page
[23:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> im not getting this homerun thing though
[23:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> oh, maybe thats not the actual name of the package as shown in the ppa


[10:10] <jamespage> doko: are you planning another release of openjdk-6 with a new snapshot of IcedTea 1.11pre?
[10:10] <jamespage> doko_:  ^^
[10:10] <doko_> jamespage: no, anything wrong with the current one?
[10:11] <jamespage> doko_: it was related to the issue with the changes to the internal Sun jpeg API that we discussed week before last
[10:12] <doko_> ahh
[10:12] <jamespage> its been fixed in IcedTea6 (see http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=752) - wondered whether we could get an update in?
[10:12] <ubot2> icedtea.classpath.org bug 752 in IcedTea6 "ImageFormatException extends Exception not RuntimeException" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[10:13] <doko_> jamespage: then it should be in oneiric
[10:13] <jamespage> (might actually managed to complete the work for mir)
[10:13] <jamespage> (for fop)
[10:15] <jamespage> doko_: great - thanks; I'll re-test the FTBFS issues and complete that work then :-)


[06:59] <oSoMoN> good morning gusch
[06:59] <gusch> oSoMoN: hi
[06:59] <oSoMoN> gusch: would you be available for a short review?
[07:00] <gusch> oSoMoN: sure
[07:00] <oSoMoN> gusch: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/open-blank-in-new-tab-from-frame/+merge/168131 thanks!
[07:12] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[07:12] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks!
[07:58]  * Mirv uploads qt quick control / layouts 5.1 beta into a PPA for anyone interested in that new module
[08:19] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hi, do you know why in webbroser-app you have tests/unittests/tst_QmlTests.cpp that doesn't seem to have any test code in it ?
[08:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: read http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick2-qtquick-qtquicktest.html#running-tests
[08:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: got it, thanks
[08:44] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: has seb128 pinged you about licensing issues in notes-app?
[08:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: not yet
[08:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: then please ping him about it, iirc it was rather urgent, there are mixed license headers that need to be made consistent across the app
[08:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[08:55] <gusch> oSoMoN nerochiaro can you do a (lengthy) MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-initial-video-class/+merge/168139
[08:57] <oSoMoN> gusch: sure
[08:57] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx
[09:31] <om26er> gusch, so it seems I fixed the jenkins failure "Statenotfounderror". by initiating the variables everywhere. I am in talk with autopilot developers for suggestions about handling that error better.
[09:31] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/gallery-app/fix_jenkins_failure/+merge/168062
[09:32] <om26er> Now the test is finally passing on the Nexus 7
[09:35] <gusch> om26er: cool - approved
[10:43] <AskUbuntu> How to call several time a DefaultSheet | http://askubuntu.com/q/306408
[11:31] <oSoMoN> gusch: I commented on your MR
[11:32] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - thx - working on it
[11:34] <oSoMoN> gusch: also, when you have a moment, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/escape-regex/+merge/168408 ?
[11:34] <gusch> oSoMoN: sure
[11:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'm running into some issues in setting up both unit and autopilot tests for the browser plugin, and i was wondering if you had a bit of time to give me some advice
[11:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: sure
[11:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: pushing the branch, one minute. for unit tests i don't understand why they fail when running under debuild but they are passing otherwise. for autopilot i don't understand why most fail (and i know some of these tests need to stay in webbrowser-app)
[11:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: lp:~amanzi-team/ubuntu-ui-extras/ubuntu-ui-extras-initial
[11:48] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: will have a look after lunch
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, i'm taking care of these copyright headers in the meantime
[11:56] <gusch> oSoMoN: works for me - approved (not yet top approved)
[12:40] <nerochiaro> timp: hi, do you know if zsombi will be around today ?
[12:40] <timp> nerochiaro: no, he is off today. should be back tomorrow
[12:40] <nerochiaro> timp: ok,thanks
[12:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: trying your branch, when I cd into tests/autopilot and then run "autopilot list browser", I’m getting lots of import errors, trivial to fix
[12:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok,that's strange. when i do the same i just get the list of tests. let me try from a fresh checkout
[12:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: maybe because you have built a package and installed it?
[12:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i don't think so, but let me double check that
[12:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: nope, no package installed
[12:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, confirm the errors you see on a fresh checkout. i'm looking into them
[12:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: in the meantime the unit tests have issues too
[12:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: when run under debuild
[12:52] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: what sorts of issues, do you have logs?
[12:53] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it basically can't import the component, while if i run it with ctest manually it finds it. i can sure get you logs but it's probably quicker if you just run debuild -uc -us -b on the branch
[13:00] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: the solution to your problem is at line 20 of bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Browser/CMakeLists.txt
[13:08] <oSoMoN> renato_: hey, has seb128 pinged you already about license headers in the mediaplayer app?
[13:10] <renato_> oSoMoN, not yet
[13:10] <renato_> oSoMoN, what is the problem?
[13:11] <oSoMoN> renato_: apparently there are some inconsistencies in the copyright/license headers that prevent the inclusion in the archive, please ping him to get it sorted out asap
[13:11] <renato_> oSoMoN, ok thanks
[13:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what you mean by that is that the files are not getting copied to the right place ?
[13:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: yes, it seems like you omitted copying this piece of the CMakeLists.txt when porting to your new structure
[13:19] <gusch> oSoMoN: all your comment are fine now and jenkins approved https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-initial-video-class/+merge/168139
[13:21] <oSoMoN> gusch: let me see
[13:23] <oSoMoN> gusch: added one comment, but take it as a suggestion only, as far as I’m concerned it’s approved
[13:25] <gusch> oSoMoN: I'm used to use QCOMPARE only - that was the policy in my last team ;)
[13:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, so for unit tests we're good, your suggestion fixed it
[13:26] <gusch> oSoMoN: I'll top approve it then, ok?
[13:27] <oSoMoN> gusch: sure -- weird policy though, but yeah, go ahead
[13:31] <gusch> nerochiaro oSoMoN renato_ anyone up for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-util-qt-style/+merge/168348
[13:33] <gusch> boiko: ^
[13:35] <boiko> gusch: well, as I just came back my system is upgrading, so it might take some time for me to review this one, but I can take it if it is not urgent
[13:36] <gusch> boiko: well - this is the first in a long list of MR - they are long, but include (more or less) only renaming of functions/variables
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-util-qt-style/+merge/168348
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-core-qt-style/+merge/168352
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-medialoader-qt-style/+merge/168355
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-media-qt-style/+merge/168357
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-album-qt-style/+merge/168367
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-database-qt-style/+merge/168372
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-event-qt-style/+merge/168373
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-photo-qt-style/+merge/168374
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-qml-qt-style/+merge/168376
[13:39] <gusch> https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-src-qt-style/+merge/168379
[13:40] <gusch> boiko oSoMoN nerochiaro renato_ this is the list of my MRs
[13:40] <boiko> gusch: wow, that's really a long list of MRs :)
[13:40] <gusch> the are long, but simple (renaming only)
[13:40] <gusch> at least I tried to split it up a bit ;)
[13:40] <boiko> gusch: are they dependent on each other?
[13:40] <gusch> boiko: yep
[13:41] <boiko> gusch: ah ok, so maybe someone else can pick the first one and then I pick the next
[13:41] <gusch> boiko: approvals can be done in any order - jenkisn will take care of that
[13:42] <boiko> gusch: ah ok, so you set the dependencies correctly, ok, I will review the first one then
[13:42] <gusch> boiko: thx
[13:42] <oSoMoN> gusch: I’ll get some of them, just not right now, I’ll ping you when I have some spare time
[13:44] <gusch> oSoMoN: I guess I have to wait a bit, to get them all done ;)
[13:44] <gusch> oSoMoN: it's renaming only - but afterwards gallery will have one coding style only (instead of 3 or 4)
[13:44] <victorp> Kaleo, ping
[13:44] <gusch> that drives me crazy ...
[13:45] <oSoMoN> ack, one coding style to rule them all…
[13:48] <Kaleo> victorp: im off today, anytginh urgent?
[13:48] <victorp> Kaleo, bzoltan1 -not urgent,  just to let you know that the "torch" component in multimedia is not working and neither is the Camera.FlashTorch mode..
[13:49] <Kaleo> victorp: can u check with nerochiaro I thought he was using that
[13:49] <gusch> victorp: how did you test it?
[13:50] <nerochiaro> victorp: camera is using FlashTorch mode
[13:50] <gusch> Kaleo victorp Qt camera plugin was done by me ...
[13:50] <victorp> I created an app and added a torch component and didnt work :)
[13:51] <gusch> victorp: can you send me your code/project (I'm lazy ;)
[13:51] <victorp> gusch https://code.launchpad.net/~vtuson/+junk/torchapp
[13:51] <victorp> I could only get it to work using
[13:52] <gusch> victorp: thx - which device / image?
[13:52] <victorp> a camera component with Camera.FlashVideoLight
[13:52] <victorp> I am using Galaxy nexus
[13:52] <victorp> image is fridays
[14:00] <gusch> victorp: ok - I'm looking at it (torch works for the camera app)
[14:01] <victorp> gusch, torch flash setting or torch component
[14:01] <victorp> can you point me to the code ?
[14:01] <gusch> victorp: the setting
[14:04] <victorp> ok
[14:04] <victorp> looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk
[14:04] <gusch> victorp: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk/view/head:/Toolbar.qml
[14:05] <victorp>  if (torchMode) {
[14:05] <victorp>                     camera.flash.mode = (flashState == "on") ?
[14:05] <victorp>                                         Camera.FlashOff : Camera.FlashVideoLight;
[14:05] <victorp> which is how I got my app to work
[14:08] <victorp> looking at http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qml-qtmultimedia5-cameraflash.html
[14:08] <victorp> that option is not even in the standard enumeration gusch
[14:09] <victorp> IMHO should be Camera.FlashTorch
[14:09] <gusch> victorp: hmm - seems like they remove it from the final Qt5 (documentation)
[14:09] <victorp> nerochiaro, ^^
[14:10] <victorp> yeap, the documentation implies that for viedo you should use Camera.FlashTorch
[14:10] <victorp> I dont think it matters for the camera apps
[14:11] <victorp> I think the problem is that using Camera.FlashTorch you get nothing, which I guess is why Torch component doesnt work either
[14:11] <victorp> gusch, ^
[14:11] <gusch> victorp: what torch component? But I guess yes
[14:13] <victorp> gusch, this torch component http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qml-qtmultimedia5-torch.html
[14:14] <victorp> gusch, can we just map  Camera.FlashTorch to the same value to Camera.FlashVideoLight ?
[14:14] <gusch> victorp: I guess that's what I'll do - just checking ...
[14:16] <gusch> victorp: yes, the component uses the FlashTorch
[14:16] <gusch> victorp: I'll fix that
[14:16] <victorp> gusch, ok, I leave it with ya.. do you want me to open a bug?
[14:16] <gusch> victorp: not really needed - I'll do a MR in a few minutes ;)
[14:17] <victorp> okey dokey
[14:17] <victorp> thnx
[14:17] <victorp> gusch,  I will leave my app using  Camera.FlashVideoLight anyhow
[14:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: hey, when you have a moment, could you please confirm bug #1189483 ?
[14:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1189483 in webbrowser-app "Error sheet still visible after closing tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189483
[14:21] <gusch> victorp: I till do a MR for fixing this in a few minutes - so I don't think we need a bug report
[14:21] <gusch> us said that already ...
[14:21] <gusch> ups said that already ...
[14:22] <victorp> oks
[14:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, looking into it. regarding the autopilot tests, i fixed & pushed the trivial erorrs on imports (sorry about that, last moment rename of the package). but now if you run pretty much any test, you will see there's some issue with the dimensions of the window, i am not really sure why it's getting the values that it's getting.
[14:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: basically what I do is to just run in qmlscene a simple qmlfile that imports the browser component and instantiates it as the root
[14:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and modified main_window.py to get the browser component itself as the root instead of QQuickView
[14:24] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I’ll look into it in a moment
[14:38] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: the autopilot tests that I’ve tried running fail because they expect that the browser will be opened with an initial URL, and it’s not, so there’s something that’s not working either with the component itself, or with the tests initialization
[14:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: was the browser autoloading an address something internal to the component ?
[14:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: no, that’s specific to the app, but then the tests need to be adapted
[14:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, i'll look into that
[14:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just noticed that the fix for unit tests didn't actually fix it. or at least not after i fully cleaned the tree. revision 9 is the fix i copied from the webbrowser-app branch
[14:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: looking
[14:51] <gusch> victorp: I have an MR (but have trouble testing it at the device atm) https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/qtubuntu-camera/camera-torch-support/+merge/168468
[14:53] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hold on that,  i spotted my mistake i think
[14:57] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: there’s no revision 9 to pull anyway…
[15:11] <om26er> mhall119, have a autopilot structure branch for the terminal-app pending there for a few days. can you get the developers to look into that ? https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-terminal-app/initial_autopilot
[15:14] <gusch> victorp: are you willing to test and approve my MR?
[15:15]  * om26er is fascinated a total of 82lines is the torch app.
[15:17] <victorp> gusch, i can look at it but not right now, sorry
[15:17] <gusch> victorp: that's ok - no hurry there ;)
[15:20] <victorp> gusch, :)
[15:20] <victorp> gusch,  is there a test image I can use? how do I test it?
[15:21] <gusch> victorp: jenkins will produce a dep file (link in the MR)
[15:21] <gusch> victorp: install it on the phone (and hope camera won't break - but there is a chance it will)
[15:22] <mhall119> om26er: sure, he's been out for a bit but he's back again today
[16:16] <kalikiana> somebody with a phone who could quickly run a test qml file?
[16:17] <kalikiana> I'd like to check something but my device is between me and a lot of sea and land mass :-]
[16:18] <kalikiana> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5752154/
[17:02] <om26er> boiko, hey!
[17:03] <om26er> boiko, the phone-app hangs for a few seconds on startup if we have a large number of contacts
[17:03] <boiko> om26er: really? weird, it shouldn't
[17:04] <boiko> om26er: but anyway, the code that is in there is going to be replaced by renato_'s new contact service
[17:04] <om26er> boiko, sounds good
[17:04] <boiko> om26er: the new service supports paginated results so we can better balance the load between keeping the UI responsive and load contacts
[17:05] <om26er> boiko, also for doing things more efficient we could get a bit help from the opensource android apps like the contacts
[17:05] <boiko> om26er: help like what?
[17:06] <boiko> om26er: the new service uses some concepts from the way android does things, but it is mapped to our context and technologies
[17:06] <om26er> boiko, dealing with long lists of data or loading of thumbnails in gallery etc
[17:06] <om26er> right
[17:07] <boiko> om26er: if you want to check, I can point you to the documents where we have discussed the service renato_ is implementing
[17:07] <om26er> boiko, yeah, do share
[17:07] <boiko> om26er: let me find that
[17:08] <om26er> boiko, this service is going to be open for third party apps as well ?
[17:08] <boiko> renato_: do you have the link to the document around? I have to dig here to find it
[17:09] <boiko> om26er: probably yes
[17:10] <boiko> om26er: found this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Specs/ContactsService
[17:10] <om26er> boiko, thanks
[17:11] <renato_> boiko, which document?
[17:12] <boiko> renato_: the ones about the contacts service
[17:12] <boiko> renato_: or is everything already in that ubuntu wiki page?
[17:17] <renato_> I think the ubuntu wiki is the official one, the other doc that I have is the API
[17:19] <boiko> renato_: ok, thanks
[17:27] <om26er> nerochiaro, Hey! so the notes-app not working well is a bug in the SDK ? can you point me to a bug report for the sdk bug ?
[18:00] <nerochiaro> om26er: i haven't filed one yet, need to speak a little bit more with zsombor but he's out today
[18:03] <om26er> nerochiaro, i'll ping you about that tomorrow then ;)
[18:49] <nik90> does anyone know how to get the current UTC time in qml?
[18:49] <nik90> At the moment, I am getting the locale time using new Date()
[19:23] <AskUbuntu> Where can a beginner learn ubuntu game development? | http://askubuntu.com/q/306575


[03:33] <zcat[1]> problem; sound devices come up in random order on every boot.
[03:33] <zcat[1]> is this normal?
[03:34] <zcat[1]> I've googled the fuck out of this and nobody seems to have an answer
[03:34] <zcat[1]> anyone alive?
[05:06] <rolando> hola
[15:39] <oaulakh> how to decrease brightness of system in ubunut studio
[15:39] <oaulakh> how to decrease brightness of system in ubuntu studio
[15:41] <MaynardWaters> oaulakh: use the hot key on your keyboard?
[15:42] <oaulakh> which one?
[15:42] <oaulakh> not working brightness show that it is reducing but nothing happens
[17:49] <rauldipeas> Hey guys, anyone can help me to solve nvidia tearing bug on my instalation?
[18:57] <LGP187iNc> anyone know if ubuntu studio 13.10 will support the digi 002?
[19:16] <ubuntu-studio> im having trouble accessing my internet browser
[19:17] <oddeofreq> there is a start
[19:43] <wachin> Hi to all UbuntuStudio User and Developers. Have a question, if Ardour 2 going to be available in other releases?(UbuntuStudio 14.04 and others on the future)
[22:20] <fyksen_> Hey! I have installed ubuntu 12.04 with xbmc/plex home theater. To get 5.1 surround and DTS support, I had to uninstall pulseaudio, and use alsa. I get sound from plex (with dts and 5.1) but not from browser/spotify. Any tips? :)
[23:00] <fyksen_> Got it to work with a .asound.rc file in home :)


[00:07] <darkxst> d1ndra, there is pretty much no c++ in GNOME
[00:07] <darkxst> lots of c, vala, javascript (for gnome-shell) and a few python apps
[00:09] <d1ndra> I know C too, but I've heard that developing with C take in a lot of effort and one has to focus on a lot of details. Would it be a good idea to enhance my knowledge of Python and work on something using it?
[06:36] <knittl> darkxst: adwaita (default)
[06:37] <darkxst> knittl, I have heard reports but not been able to reproduce myself
[06:38] <knittl> hm. I will make a screenshot later today
[06:38] <darkxst> knittl, are they just transparent?
[06:39] <knittl> darkxst: yeah, the dark themed windows (for instance gnome-terminal) get a transparent title bar (still with title and buttons, but transparent background)
[06:40] <darkxst> yeh seen screenshots of that, but I am hopeless at theming, so can't fix unless I can reproduce
[06:40] <knittl> my guess is some invalid css properties
[06:41] <darkxst> knittl, maybe its using the old adwaita, rather than the one that is now built-in to gtk package (for 3.14)
[06:41] <knittl> could be a possibility
[06:41] <knittl> how can I verify?
[06:44] <darkxst> I'm not entirely sure, you could just try removing the old gnome-themes package if its still installed?
[06:44] <knittl> iirc it was a dependency of ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[06:45] <darkxst> knittl, let it remove that if needed
[06:45] <knittl> alright. will try in the afternoon
[06:47] <darkxst> knittl, ok let me know how it goes, I will be updating ubuntu-gnome-desktop for 3.14 in a week or 2 (on vivid) but can backport that to utopic ppa also
[06:47] <knittl> sure. thanks :)
[06:48] <mgedmin> knittl, it's also worth running apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate, to see if you've all the packages from the right archives
[06:49] <knittl> will do (but I think everything is up to date)
[06:56] <mgedmin> (also it _might_ be a driver bug)
[06:57] <knittl> nvidia? how??
[06:59] <mgedmin> I mean, if badly-drawn shadows can be a driver bug, why not badly-drawn titlebars?
[07:02] <darkxst> mgedmin, sure it could be, but I have not seen any bugs with nvidia blob
[07:03] <mgedmin> knittl, do you use the blob or noveau?
[07:04] <knittl> mgedmin: proprietary nvidia
[07:05] <knittl> nouveau doesn't work on my system (forces hard reboots)
[07:06] <mgedmin> ok, that's interesting: my gnome-shell just crashed
[07:07] <knittl> the hard reboots don't have anything to do with gnome-shell
[07:07] <mgedmin> segfault in shell_app_compare
[07:11] <mgedmin> ho ho ho UnicodeEncodeError in apport-retrace while printing the stack trace
[07:15] <darkxst> mgedmin, apport-retrace is pretty fragile
[07:16] <darkxst> and if the crash is from js code, you really need shell in a live gdb session so you can gjs_dumpstack()
[07:27] <darkxst> one day gdb might grow support to retrace those things (I think someone at mozilla is working on it), but right now its not that way unfortunaley
[07:28] <mgedmin> my disk hasn't got enough free space for all the debug symbols :/
[07:31] <darkxst> most are pretty small except for bloody webkit
[08:04] <mgedmin> interesting message in /home/mg/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log during gnome-shell startup
[08:04] <mgedmin> (gnome-shell:30338): Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: startup-complete: Error: Requiring GSystem, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'GSystem' (any version) not found
[08:04] <mgedmin> missing dependency on some gir package?
[08:06] <mgedmin> gir1.2-gsystem-1.0?
[08:10] <mgedmin> yeah, installing that and alt-f2 r gets rid of the error
[08:11] <mgedmin> I'll file a bug so this doesn't get lost
[08:15] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1388736
[08:46] <darkxst> mgedmin, or fix it and I will upload for you ;)
[08:49] <darkxst> this month is a flurry of sorts, hopefully we will have all of core 3.14 in before alpha1
[08:52] <darkxst> mgedmin, and I only have time to work on the real problems, that other team members can't do
[08:53] <mgedmin> do you keep the packaging bits in a repository somewhere?  I could send a git patch...
[08:54] <[vbm]> hi there, my 14.04 upgrade broke Gnome Do. I am running ubuntu with openbox + tint2 + docky and I can invoke Do with ctrl+alt+space but when I type something nothing appears. I googled it but couldn't find anything helpful. can anybody help?
[09:28] <mgedmin> oh, gir1.2-gsystem-1.0 is not available on debian
[09:28] <mgedmin> and here I was all prepared to report a debian bug
[11:03] <mgedmin> welp, why is libvte in ubuntu so ancient (0.28.2)?  upstream is up to version 0.38 already
[11:03] <mgedmin> and I want a bugfix from 0.35.1 (https://github.com/GNOME/vte/commit/a118544044e064ea1d3f36e959d961845ec9c317)
[11:08] <mgedmin> never mind I'm an idio
[11:20] <[vbm]> hi there, my 14.04 upgrade broke Gnome Do. I am running ubuntu with openbox + tint2 + docky and I can invoke Do with ctrl+alt+space but when I type something nothing appears. I googled it but couldn't find anything helpful. can anybody help?
[11:21] <mgedmin> [vbm], wouldn't know where to start :(
[11:25] <[vbm]> mgedmin, thanks anyway. I upgraded my X40 a couple of days ago and now I can't use do's shortcuts. It's a bit annoying as a I normally use it for everything that isn't on the dock.
[11:26] <mgedmin> I can imagine
[11:26] <mgedmin> is it gnome-do failing to find something?  or an input problem of some sort?
[11:26] <mgedmin> have you tried google?
[11:29] <[vbm]> gnome-do appears as blank. whatever I type appears in the box, but the usual autocomplete and with the 2nd box showing run does not appear
[11:29] <mgedmin> any errors in, uh, ~/.cache/upstart/*.log?
[11:30] <[vbm]> google hasn't been particularly helpful. most links are about how great gnome-do is and how to install it :) checking *.log now
[11:33] <[vbm]> can't find upstart under .cache
[11:35] <mgedmin> then maybe ~/.xsession-errors
[11:39] <[vbm]> a couple of badwindow messages and a few "Cairo.Surface is leaking, programmer is missing a call to Dispose" but I'm not sure invoking do creates nay more entries on the log
[11:40] <mgedmin> [vbm], I suggest asking for advice on #gnome-do
[11:43] <[vbm]> thanks. will do. i didn't see that channel before. thanks.
[11:51] <lindol> hi all
[11:52] <lindol> Heavensbus, hi
[11:55] <Heavensbus> lindol: hi
[16:47] <knittl> darkxst: hi
[16:47] <knittl> I'm at my machine again
[16:48] <knittl> removing gnome-themes-standard will also remove gdm*, gnome-shell*, and mutter* (to name a few)


[08:21] <Cryterion> Mornings
[08:55] <gremble> Good morningg
[16:40] <Kilos> evening everyone
[16:40] <Kilos> ohi superfly all good there
[16:41] <Kilos> ?
[16:41] <Kilos> you been scarcer than i have
[16:42] <Kilos> hi gremble still grumbling
[16:44] <Kilos> hi skokkk you new here?
[16:44] <Kilos> or one of the oldies with a new nick
[16:45] <skokkk> hello Kilos, new here
[16:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:45] <Kilos> did anyone welcome you
[16:45] <skokkk> no, so thank you :)
[16:46] <Kilos> wow the bunch of lurkers
[16:50] <Kilos> Maaz_ coffee on
[16:50]  * Maaz_ washes some mugs
[16:54] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:55] <Kilos> Maaz_ thanks man
[16:55] <Maaz_> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:21] <Kilos> hi georgl Cryterion
[17:22] <Cryterion> hi
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: all good, just really busy
[18:09] <Kilos> i thought so superfly . keep well all of you
[18:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:05] <phillw> hiyas tsimonq2
[00:08] <phillw> as you learn more stuff, you can have a really scary experience where the only people you are chatting to are all developers and being a quiet person works really well. My 1st bug report upstream for cloud version kilo.... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1259354
[13:19] <SuperLag> downloaded the latest daily this morning, cannot type in anything in the "Who are you?" screen
[13:20] <SuperLag> to be fair, I'm attempting this in a VM
[13:25] <phillw> SuperLag: well, there are lots of dailies to choose from. could you narrow it down a bit? :D
[13:32] <SuperLag> haha
[13:32] <SuperLag> Well, I didn't think was more than one Lubuntu daily.
[13:33] <SuperLag> I thought it was always for the bleeding edge version that hasn't been released yet. Is that not the case?
[13:34] <SuperLag> That, said... when I mentioned it being in a VM, I was doing it in a very convoluted fashion. On an ESXi server, through the vSphere client that was running on a VM that's on that same server. It's environmental.
[13:34] <SuperLag> because I'm doing it in Fusion on my Mac now, and it works just fine.
[13:34] <SuperLag> Once it's done, I'll just upload it to the ESXi box. :)
[13:34] <phillw> SuperLag: there are 32 bit and 64 bit versions, there are PPC/MAC versions, there is alternate installer and desktop installer.... lots of images! :D
[13:35] <SuperLag> Okay. I'm a bonehead. Duh. :)
[13:36] <SuperLag> got to say... I love Lubuntu, though
[13:36] <SuperLag> you guys rock
[13:36] <phillw> no worries, let me know which one you're playing with and if my hardware can cope, I'll be more than happy to give it a try
[13:36] <phillw> i cannot do MAC/PPC images as lack the kit being installed.
[13:36] <SuperLag> I got the amd64 version
[13:37] <phillw> kk, no woriies, I'll go zsync last nights 64 bit image. Did you use desktop or alternate image?
[13:38] <SuperLag> desktop
[13:38] <phillw> okies, let me zsync it up.
[13:38] <SuperLag> It installed fine from VMware Fusion, on my Mac.
[13:39] <SuperLag> Must have been too may layers of abstraction. :)
[13:39] <SuperLag> interesting interface oddities after I boot it up
[13:39] <phillw> i use kvm for my VM's
[13:40] <SuperLag> two network interface icons, and two... umm... language choosers? not sure what to call 'em
[13:40] <phillw> it has its moments and a won't fix bug that we know to work-around
[13:40] <phillw> yes, we know of the doubles applet bug :D
[13:41] <SuperLag> How do you like KVM?
[13:42] <phillw> it's a grown up VM, people eventually move from VBox to it :)
[13:42] <phillw> and the applet issue is bug 1488660
[13:42] <phillw> bug 1488660
[13:43] <phillw> comeone ubot.. wake up!!!!
[13:43] <phillw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/1488660
[13:43] <phillw> GRR @ ubot!!!!! :P
[13:44] <phillw> SuperLag: the work around is dead easy and Julien (head of dev) is on the case.
[13:47] <phillw> I'm also trying to get people who do testing to also use LVM as it makes partitoning a lot less tiresome once they have got the basic structure set up.
[13:48] <SuperLag> I use LVM
[13:48] <SuperLag> Once I got the hang of resizing... hooked.
[13:49] <phillw> yeah, great fun :D may the partition type 8e be strong with you throughout your life :D
[13:50] <phillw> virt-mananger (using KVM) is much the same and what the ubuntu devs use as opposed to VBox or the paid for solutions. Which is most likely why they will not fix a bug in it that only affect *buntu :P
[13:55] <phillw> SuperLag: at what step did the install fall over for you? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds/101295/testcases/1300/results
[13:56] <phillw> i just remove and create, but yeah.. resizing is fun :D
[13:56] <SuperLag> step 13
[13:57] <phillw> oh, and just for fun... RHEL v7 adds in a new module for LVMs ... I've yet to fully play with it, but us old timers can still use our pv, vg, lv commands :D
[13:58] <SuperLag> I trialed RHEL v7.1, but I'm not sure if I'm going to spring for a license yet.
[13:58] <SuperLag> new gig is going have RHEL... but I like having a local test env to work with
[13:59] <SuperLag> I just got the MS Action Pack so I could get Windows Server 2012 R2, yesterday. I've lost my mind. Please send help.
[13:59] <SuperLag> Having an issue on another side job where Linux integration into AD is messy messy messy
[14:01] <phillw> you should pop onto #phillw eagles is a RHEL v7 new person (well, centos) we have a recent qualifier of RHCSA for v7 (i did mine with v6) and eagles is also going for his MSCA :D
[14:05] <phillw> SuperLag: accept the invite from DragonEyes (our tame admin bot), also step 13 has been successfully completed.
[14:08] <phillw> SuperLag: as Red Hat have finally gotten around to employing the CentOS volunteers who spin that, you can save money on a license. CentOS is free and ideal for sysadmins as we're supposed to know what we're doing :P
[14:09] <phillw> just steer clear of #centos ... they are not known for being overly friendly!
[14:17] <phillw> SuperLag: my install of last nights' 64 bit desktop ISO has worked as expected.
[14:23] <SuperLag> phillw: oh? I was figuring on CentOS since RHEL == $$$$$
[14:23] <SuperLag> oh... you were talking about the channel :)
[14:27] <phillw> yeah, the channel, I was pre-warned and found such warnings to be true! we're a lot friendlier on #phillw. So, you're welcome to ask RHEL questions on there and not be off-topic :D


[01:01] <Mez> \sh_away, $100 laptops?
[01:13] <sistpoty> <-- off to bed
[01:13] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[01:13] <tseng> ajmitch: ok here is the score. one bug fixed in gtk-sharp 2.3 (confirmed by me), one fix pending in f-spot cvs
[01:14] <tseng> ajmitch: the 3rd bug i found i cant reproduce on this box, and neither can lewing
[01:14] <ajmitch> so I'd have to get the cvs snapshot, as I can't backport a switch to 2.x :)
[01:14] <ajmitch> and ETA on new f-spot release?
[01:14] <tseng> beats me
[01:14] <tseng> 15:14 < lewing> I'll make a 0.1.1 in a week or so
[01:14] <tseng> hows that
[01:14] <ajmitch> sounds good
[01:15] <tseng>  /lastlog for the win
[01:15] <tseng> so.. 2.3
[01:15] <tseng> the score so far
[01:15] <tseng> one patch (muine), many rebuilds (monodevelop)
[01:15] <tseng> MD runs, but the templates need love
[01:16] <tseng> now im not so gung ho about getting on -devel and asking for exemption
[01:16] <tseng> sort of sucktacular
[02:16] <mgalvin> slomo: ping
[02:26] <mgalvin> well if anyone has time i updated my packages in revu, thanks in advance for reviewing them
[02:27] <mgalvin> ls
[02:31] <jabra> anyone if qt4 is in breezy?
[02:34] <theantix> "apt-cache search qt4" returns zero results...
[02:35] <Nafallo> Accepted qt4-x11 4.0.0-3 (source)
[02:36] <jabra> ya I am trying to get it to workin currenetly in hoary but without any luck
[02:36] <jabra> anyone have experience with it?
[02:41] <tseng> \sh_away: haha you are the coolest
[08:09] <c0rrupt_> aparently there is a hole in proftpd, but the repos are not up to date
[08:12] <siretart> c0rrupt_: references?
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> nessus
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> i did a local scan
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> want the scan log?
[08:13] <theantix> ubuntu main has vsftpd though right?
[08:15] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> siretart, do you want me to send my nessus report?
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> i actually have many vuls but i just ran apt-get upgrade.
[08:16] <siretart> c0rrupt_: yes, please
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> what format do you want it i
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> in
[08:16] <siretart> ascii?
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> do you have nessus?
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> i can send it in the nessus format....
[08:17] <siretart> no, sorry
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> ok,
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> acutally there is many vuln
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> proftpd is just one
[08:18] <siretart> c0rrupt_: can you make a list of CAN #?
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> can what?
[08:19] <siretart> c0rrupt_: if you can, it would be very great, if you could mail them to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:19] <c0rrupt_> ok
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> take a good look at it, there is many vulns
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> at apparently im up to date.
[08:20] <c0rrupt_> so a lot of people are probably unsecure
[08:20] <siretart> you are sure that arn't false positives?
[08:20] <c0rrupt_> yes
[08:20] <siretart> you can look up can numbers here: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/
[08:23] <c0rrupt_> ok, mail sent
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> gaim also has security holes
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> new version fixed them
[08:25] <siretart> brb
[08:26] <c0rrupt_> did you get the mail?
[08:26] <siretart> not yet
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> i got a message back
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> it say
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> says*
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> your message... Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> i sent the scan log as an attachment, i prolly should have just pasted it into the body of the message
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> should i re-send?
[08:37] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:38] <c0rrupt_> siretart, im leaving soon so i need to know if you got it
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> i sent it again. with the log in the body of the email
[09:45] <Treenaks> ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4162692.stm
[10:03] <siretart> c0rrupt__: you can check it yourself here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/
[10:03] <siretart> c0rrupt__: in doubt, CC: me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:03] <c0rrupt__> ok
[10:05] <c0rrupt__> is it there yet?
[12:35] <pef> hello
[12:35] <dredg> morning.
[12:35] <pef> is knights-0.6.4-beta0-ubuntu1 a correct version ?
[12:36] <pef> for a program named knights-0.6.4-beta, and not yet packaged
[12:36] <dredg> looks correct
[12:36] <tseng> \sh:
[12:36] <tseng> mythtv_0.18-2ubuntu1_20050818-2347-i386-successful.gz
[01:06] <\sh> tseng: yes..but the rest not
[01:26] <sedak> hello
[01:26] <sedak> is someone here ?
[01:27] <dredg> no one here except for us chickens
[01:27] <sedak> hi
[01:28] <SloMo_> hi sedak ;)
[01:28] <sedak> i've made a new package
[01:28] <sedak> for a driver i needed
[01:28] <SloMo_> what driver?
[01:28] <sedak> for old wifi card
[01:28] <sedak> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12679
[01:29] <sedak> well
[01:29] <sedak> i'm not a maintainer
[01:30] <sedak> but it seems to work fine with make-kpkg and module-assistant
[01:30] <SloMo_> hm, ask siretart for upload rights on revu, upload it there and we'll see :)
[01:30] <sedak> ok
[01:30] <ogra__> hmm, why did you make a separate package instead of convincing the kernel maintainr to include it in the linux package ?
[01:30] <sedak> because
[01:30] <ogra__> ??
[01:31] <sedak> i'm not sure if it's really stable
[01:31] <sedak> i'm not the one who made the driver
[01:31] <sedak> but it work fine with my card
[01:31] <ogra__> is it considered for inclusion in the kernel tree upstream ?
[01:31] <sedak> bafore i used ndiswrapper, and it make ubuntu frozen
[01:32] <SloMo_> sedak: better an unstable driver than no driver i think ;)
[01:32] <ogra__> if so, and if fabbione considers it stable enough, we can include it in the linux package
[01:32] <sedak> euh i didn't ask actually
[01:32] <sedak> but if we make it a separate package, it's a good way to test it, isn't it ?
[01:33] <ogra__> could you find that out ? then it could probaly get included in our default kernel... its a bit odd to have network card drivers in universe...
[01:33] <sedak> ok
[01:33] <ogra__> sine you will need network access to install it ;)
[01:33] <ogra__> since even
[01:33] <sedak> so i could make a patch for the kernel
[01:33] <sedak> and then ask to fabbione to add it ?
[01:34] <ogra__> sedak, talk to fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he's the kernel maintainer
[01:34] <sedak> ok
[01:34] <ogra__> he will know if it can get included or needs to stay in universe
[01:44] <sedak> ok, i asked siretart and he added me to the keyring
[01:44] <sedak> but as it's my first time ...
[01:44] <sedak> what should i do now ?
[01:44] <siretart> sedak: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[01:45] <sedak> thanks :-)
[02:15] <sedak> it's uploaded
[02:20] <siretart> sedak: there are many dh_make (or others) leftovers
[02:20] <siretart> like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/rtl8180-kernel-0508191415/rtl8180-kernel-0.22.0cvs050817/debian/README.Debian
[02:20] <siretart> or debian/rules
[02:20] <siretart> sedak: please clean them up
[02:21] <siretart> if it isn't going to ubuntu kernel, that is
[02:21] <sedak> ok
[02:24] <sedak> siretart, what do you exactly mean  ?
[02:24] <sladen> siretart: wow, I was just looking at that driver earlier...
[02:25] <sedak> the debian/rules need to be there to build the module with module-assistant ...
[02:25] <sedak> and the README.Debian explain how to build it
[02:25] <siretart> sedak: there are many unnecessary comments left over
[02:25] <ogra> sedak, but yu normally rip out all th unneded template stuff from this file
[02:26] <sedak> ok
[02:50] <sedak> it's uploaded again ...
[02:55] <Yagisan> SloMo_ ping
[02:56] <SloMo_> Yagisan: pong
[02:56] <Yagisan> SloMo_: deng is perfect now. new upload finished
[02:58] <Yagisan> SloMo_: now to fix the lintian errors on my installers :)
[03:13] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:23] <Yagisan> Is it ok to ignore lintian warnings caused by dh_installmenu ?
[03:24] <SloMo_> Yagisan: depends ;) are the warnings correct or just false warnings?
[03:24] <Yagisan> SloMo_: it's just a menu-file-in-usr-lib warning.
[03:25] <Yagisan> SloMo_: thats where dh_installmenu puts the menu entry
[03:25] <SloMo_> why is it in /usr/lib?
[03:25] <SloMo_> hmm
[03:25] <SloMo_> sounds wrong ;)
[03:25] <Yagisan> old location for menu command
[03:25] <Yagisan> according to lintian it moved, but the menus works there
[03:26] <mgalvin> SloMo_: just letting you know that mmsrip is updated, i added the man page and cleaned up a few other things too
[03:26] <SloMo_> Yagisan: hmm... don't know
[03:26] <SloMo_> mgalvin, Yagisan: i'll look at your packages on sunday as i'm away over the weekend
[03:26] <Yagisan> I'll ignore it. When debhelper is updated, it'll fix itself
[03:27] <mgalvin> ok, no rush, thnx
[03:28] <Yagisan> no problem slomo,
[03:46] <marcin> hi all
[03:47] <marcin> I got a question that propably could be a little strange for some debian maintainters
[03:47] <marcin> but anyway I would like to ask if is this posible to provide source packages that doesn't provide
[03:48] <marcin> sources at all?
[03:48] <Yagisan> what do you mean ?
[03:48] <Yagisan> is it data ?
[03:48] <marcin> just scripts and some rules to fetch sources when building?
[03:48] <marcin> for example to build cvs snapshot packages
[03:49] <Yagisan> I uploaded some sources that fetch data on disk and move it to a location needed by a package
[03:50] <\sh> marcin: what u mean is "ebuild"?
[03:50] <marcin> \sh: yes I know
[03:50] <Yagisan> they might be usefull for you
[03:50] <tseng> even if it is possible, it would surely be frowned on being in the official archive
[03:50] <marcin> Yagisan: when can I find these spackages?
[03:50] <tseng> random cvs snapshotting is evil
[03:51] <Yagisan> revu, look for any deng-*-installer package
[03:51] <Yagisan> out of curiosity, what do you need from cvs
[03:51] <Yagisan> ?
[03:54] <marcin> Yagisan: currently - emacs
[03:55] <marcin> Yagisan: but cvs snapshots are just example - my question was general about packages without sources
[03:56] <Yagisan> ok. try to avoid it if possible.
[03:56] <Yagisan> I hope my packages were of some use to you
[03:56] <marcin> Yagisan: you know sometimes it sucks that you need to download all sources when you just want to take a look on some /debian scripts
[03:56] <marcin> Yagisan: on rpm based distros if you want to know how something was packaged you have to download only small spec file
[03:57] <marcin> Yagisan: on debian you need to download all sources and additional files
[03:58] <torkel> marcin: in most cases it is enough to download the .diff.gz
[03:58] <marcin> torkel: hmm true
[04:00] <marcin> btw how you guys get info about new versions/releases of software?
[04:00] <Yagisan> myself, I talk to upstream
[04:00] <marcin> do you have some sripts that monitor selected cvs repositories and report changes?
[04:00] <Yagisan> others use watch files
[04:02] <marcin> I see
[04:03] <marcin> and when you got some package - do you edit them manually (write rules, manage dependencies) or maybe you have
[04:03] <marcin> a bunch of templates and scripts?
[04:04] <marcin> for example what you do when you got somepackage_1.0-1 and you want to create somepackage_1.0-2?
[04:05] <Yagisan> is somepackage_1.0-1 already an ubuntu package ?
[04:06] <marcin> Yagisan: ok let's say somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu1 and somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu2
[04:06] <marcin> Yagisan: to be more specific
[04:07] <marcin> Yagisan: and another scenario is when you got somepackage_1.0-ubuntu[1-n]
[04:07] <marcin> Yagisan: and then developers release somepackage_2.0 and you need to prepare ubuntu packages fot this tree
[04:07] <marcin> s/fot/for
[04:07] <Yagisan> I just followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html
[04:07] <Yagisan> to update mine
[04:08] <Yagisan> I just went through your last scenario, about 4 weeks ago
[04:08] <Yagisan> It was rather painless
[04:10] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:11] <SloMo_> hi sistpoty
[04:11] <marcin> Yagisan: thanks - my fault I skipped this part of guide
[04:12] <Yagisan> Glday sistpoty
[04:12] <sistpoty> hi SloMo_ and Yagisan
[04:12] <Yagisan> marcin: no problems, I skipped it to, untill upstream did two releases in two days
[05:08] <sedak> siretart, i think the package is fine now
[05:08] <sedak> at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=428
[05:08] <sedak> what should i do next ?
[05:13] <sistpoty> sedak: ask motus to have it reviewed (or simply what until a motu reviews it) ;)
[05:14] <sistpoty> sedak: btw.: have you tried to build it in pbuilder?
[05:14] <sedak> actually
[05:14] <sedak> i don't know what is pbuilder ...
[05:14] <sedak> i'll have a look :-)
[05:15] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:16] <sistpoty> sedak: this is a kernel-module? shouldn't you build-depend on kernel-headers or s.th. then?
[05:16] <Yagisan> sedak: your package failed to build in pbuilder
[05:16] <sedak> :'(
[05:16] <sedak> ok
[05:16] <Yagisan> sedak: you need a build dep on bzip2
[05:17] <sedak> i thought it was build-depend ...
[05:17] <sedak> that's true
[05:17] <Yagisan> sedak: /bin/sh: bzip2: command not found
[05:18] <Yagisan> sedak: your control file only has debhelper in the build-depends line
[05:19] <sistpoty> sedak: i think you should mixed depends and build-depends ;)
[05:19] <sistpoty> '/s/mixed/exchange/
[05:23] <sistpoty> what package should wxpython-packages depend on? wxpython or libwxgtk-python or to one of them with specific version?
[05:23] <sistpoty> or is there a way to get this done with python:Depends?
[06:13] <sistpoty> cya later
[06:38] <havoc> what option do I need to make 'ps' show the group?
[06:38] <havoc> is that even possible>
[06:38] <havoc> ?
[06:49] <slomo> yeah... dirac got accepted :D
[06:53] <slomo> can someone look at gst-plugins-multiverse after dirac hit the archives?
[06:59] <GazerWork> slomo, hi!, I uploaded a new version of ceferino package, now it build fine with pbuilder. I would thank you if you can watch it
[07:00] <sedak> havoc, ps -eH -o pid,user,egid,cmd
[07:01] <sedak> i don't know if you want the GID, EGID ...
[07:04] <havoc> sedak: thanx
[07:05] <havoc> sedak: it was actually chillywilly that was asking
[07:11] <c0rrupt_> siretart, what was the link you gave me that i could watch for information on my email
[07:13] <siretart> c0rrupt_: ah, sorry about before, my connection died
[07:13] <siretart> there seem to be problems with that list
[07:13] <siretart> can you mail that to me and nafallo?
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> nafallo?
[07:17] <c0rrupt_> where do you want me to mail it to
[07:25] <tseng> \sh: you arent my hero anymore
[07:25] <tseng> \sh: you didnt fix libmyth depends!
[07:26] <tseng> \sh: ill fix it tonight maybe
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> sire..?
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> whats your email addresses
[07:31] <siretart><EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:32] <\sh> tseng: amd64 powerpc ftbfs
[07:33] <tseng> \sh: thats fine but.. depends:
[07:33] <\sh> argl
[07:33] <tseng> \sh: has libqt3c102-mt-mysql, doesnt exist since transition
[07:33] <\sh> shit
[07:33] <\sh> fck..didn't see that
[07:34] <c0rrupt_> ok mail sent
[07:37] <\sh> grmpf
[07:37] <\sh> I'm fighting with shtoom
[07:40] <siretart> c0rrupt_: how do you count 22 issues?!
[07:40] <c0rrupt_> huh?
[07:41] <siretart> c0rrupt_: I wouldn't give that much on that report
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> its a lot of data..
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> but its important
[07:42] <siretart> c0rrupt_: debian/ubuntu are backporting security patches. so only looking at the version number isn;t that good
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> all those issues should be worked out
[07:42] <Nafallo> who is joe des? (/me have to get a proxy with backlog)
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> i am
[07:43] <Nafallo> ah, could you please do the scan from somewhere !localhost?
[07:43] <c0rrupt_> i know, localhost is all i could do
[07:43] <c0rrupt_> but those flaws are still there.
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> for example gaim and  proftpd are remote
[07:44] <Nafallo> normally postfix shouldn't turn up on the list, and the ssh stuff is... well, not an issue ;-)
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> yea
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> i just sent the whole report
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> why isnt the newest proftpd server in the repos
[07:44] <Nafallo> that's why I use vsftpd ;-)
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> lol...
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> are you helping with security or no
[07:45] <Nafallo> I do. that's why I rather run secure services :-)
[07:45] <Nafallo> hmm
[07:45] <Nafallo> cvs
[07:45] <siretart> intersting that debian neiter has any DSA
[07:46] <Nafallo> cvs is secured
[07:46] <siretart> is this the reported flaw? http://bugs.proftpd.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2645
[07:47] <siretart> yes, it is
[07:47] <Nafallo> imagemagick likewise
[07:47] <siretart> then it is already fixed in the debian package and in breezy
[07:47] <c0rrupt_> i dont use breezy
[07:48] <Nafallo> bzip2 to
[07:48] <c0rrupt_> people in #ubuntu said breezy destroys stuff
[07:48] <c0rrupt_> and not to use it
[07:48] <Nafallo> c0rrupt_: could. it's not stable yet :-)
[07:49] <c0rrupt_> so, what should i do to update my software.
[07:50] <siretart> hm. the debdiff from hoarys proftpd to breezys proftpd is rather large
[07:51] <siretart> but mainly bugfixes for several issues
[07:51] <siretart> c0rrupt_: perhaps you could request a backport from Mez
[07:51] <c0rrupt_> o.0?
[07:51] <siretart> c0rrupt_: or do the backport yourself, if you need the fix fast
[07:52] <c0rrupt_> not nescarily
[07:53] <Nafallo> ehm
[07:54] <Nafallo> I can't find that CAN on our cve-tool
[07:54] <siretart> seems to be only in proftpd.org bugzilla
[07:54] <c0rrupt_> Hm
[07:54] <siretart> Nafallo: what cvs-tool?
[07:54] <Nafallo> siretart: ubuntu-cve
[07:58] <Nafallo> haha. I don't think we will need to fix those ;-)
[07:58] <Nafallo> siretart: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/RELEASE_NOTES-1.3.0rc2
[07:58] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:58] <Nafallo> under bugfixes :-P
[07:59] <siretart> Nafallo: http://changelog.debian.net/proftpd
[07:59] <siretart> Nafallo: revisions -20 and -19
[08:00] <Lathiat> siretart: whats the deal with having debian/ in upstream tarballs? (here, me being upstream, should i have my debian/ dir i plan to keep sane in my svn tree?)
[08:00] <siretart> Lathiat: no. better don't
[08:00] <siretart> Lathiat: you really want to seperate debian integration and upstream work. even if you are upstram
[08:00] <jamessan|work> you can keep it in svn, but keep it separate from the source
[08:00] <Nafallo> siretart: Both can be considered low risk, as they require active involvement on the part of the site administrator in order to be
[08:00] <Nafallo>  exploited
[08:01] <Nafallo> siretart: if you will want to put time on them, be my guest :-)
[08:01] <c0rrupt_> i see,,.
[08:01] <c0rrupt_> but, what about the others
[08:01] <siretart> Nafallo: sorry. I'd rather request a backport from Mez
[08:01] <Nafallo> siretart: indeed
[08:02] <siretart> c0rrupt_: do you run an cvs pserver?
[08:02] <c0rrupt_> nope
[08:03] <siretart> same for cvs, fixed in breezy
[08:03] <Nafallo> 1:1.12.9-9ubuntu0.1 and hoary
[08:04] <siretart> ah, ok
[08:04] <Nafallo> and warty ;-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> cvs is in main :-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> main is secured :-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> except krb5 :-P
[08:05] <Nafallo> or wait. this will have to be one of those that's not named as in debian
[08:06] <tseng> Lathiat: i cant find preseed on the wiki, any idea?
[08:06] <Lathiat> tseng: nope, try debian docs ?
[08:07] <tseng> oh
[08:07] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet?highlight=%28preseed%29
[08:07] <tseng> this looks like a winner
[08:07] <tseng> stupid title search
[08:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:07] <Nafallo> isn't mozilla-firefox dropped from breezy?
[08:07] <Lathiat> ooh shiny
[08:08] <Lathiat> i could automate reinstallation of my laptop :)
[08:08] <tseng> yeah i have 10 boxes to build
[08:08] <tseng> fast
[08:08] <Lathiat> be cool if you could specify a preseed file
[08:08] <Lathiat> tseng: heh, what for?
[08:08] <tseng> they are sniffers
[08:08] <Lathiat> ah
[08:08] <tseng> we put ethereal boxes behind all our firewalls
[08:08] <tseng> for debugging
[08:08] <Lathiat> yeh you were saying
[08:09] <tseng> did i tell you about my google map?
[08:09] <Lathiat> well you definately need some way of specify a uri to a preseed file
[08:09] <Lathiat> ts	nope ?
[08:09] <tseng> i made a map with all the data centers in the US
[08:09] <tseng> you just click one to start a sniffer
[08:09] <Lathiat> haha
[08:09] <Lathiat> nice
[08:09] <tseng> its rad
[08:09] <Lathiat> oh man
[08:09] <Lathiat> thats just..
[08:09] <Lathiat> scary :
[08:09] <Lathiat> )
[08:10] <tseng> bye.
[08:10] <Nafallo> tseng: see you :-)
[08:10] <Nafallo> siretart: what does revu run, mini-dinstall?
[08:11] <siretart> Nafallo: revu2 will, revu atm does just drop the files into dirs
[08:12] <siretart> Nafallo: if you are interested in hacking, you can check out the svn repo: svn co http://siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu2/trunk
[08:12] <Nafallo> siretart: ah, oki. I will probably want something else. something like what daf has :-)
[08:13] <siretart> who is daf?
[08:13] <Nafallo> siretart: rosetta admin and DD :-)
[08:13] <Lathiat> night all
[08:13] <Lathiat> 2am is late enough. :)
[08:13] <siretart> gn8 Lathiat
[08:14] <siretart> Nafallo: what does he use?
[08:14] <Nafallo> siretart: people.ubuntu.com/~daf/packages/
[08:14] <Nafallo> siretart: dunno yet, he's on vacation ;-)
[08:14] <siretart> Nafallo: looks to me like manual apt-ftparchive
[08:15] <siretart> Nafallo: look into debarchiver, thats nice for that purpose
[08:17] <Nafallo> universe does not go on my server ;-)
[08:17] <Nafallo> apt-ftparchive is main though :-)
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> SO
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> whats going to happ?
[08:18] <Nafallo> c0rrupt_: those things looked like fixed/won't do stuff
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> bleh
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> thanks for your troubles anyways then
[08:20] <Nafallo> no problem
[08:21] <johny> siretart, i've been told to use pbuilder to fix my package because it couldn't be built with some people, but we i tried, it worked for me
[08:21] <johny> so i don't know what to do next
[08:22] <johny> maybe it is because i'm using breezy ...
[08:22] <siretart> johny: tell them to update their pbuilder
[08:22] <johny> ok
[08:24] <johny> well, anyway, anyone'd like who to review the package can do it now
[08:25] <johny> if they have a rtl8081 chip based wifi card, it could help :-)
[08:26] <c0rrupt_> i use rtl8180
[08:30] <johny> c0rrupt_, which driver do you use ?
[08:30] <johny> ndiswrapper or the free one ?
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> both
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> both work
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> right now im using the one from
[08:31] <johny> ok
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> sourceforge
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> but the ndiswrapper works fine
[08:31] <johny> i've made a package for this one
[08:31] <johny> if you want to test it, it'll be cool :-)
[08:31] <johny> it's here:
[08:31] <johny> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=439
[08:32] <Yagisan> johny are you sedak ?
[08:32] <johny> yes !!
[08:32] <johny> sorry
[08:32] <johny> i changed ../nick sedak
[08:32] <Yagisan> funny you should mention that
[08:33] <Yagisan> jamie@workhorse:~/pbuilder/ubuntu$ lintian rtl8180-kernel_0.22.0cvs050817-1_i386.changes
[08:33] <Yagisan> W: rtl8180-kernel source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[08:33] <Yagisan> E: rtl8180-kernel source: depends-on-build-essential-package-without-using-version make [build-depends: make]
[08:33] <Yagisan> :)
[08:33] <sedak> i have different name on different server
[08:33] <sedak> i rebooted and forget to change it
[08:33] <Yagisan> brb, food
[08:34] <sedak> oups
[08:34] <sedak> i haven't seen that appeared
[08:34] <sedak> i'll try to fix that again ...
[09:03] <sedak> lintian problem is corrected now
[09:11] <Yagisan> sedak, is there supposed to be a link in /usr/share/modass/overrides ?
[09:11] <sedak> yes
[09:12] <Yagisan> I ask, because browsing through the deb with mc, it shows as a broken link
[09:12] <sedak> so that module-assistant know that it is a module package
[09:12] <sedak> yes
[09:12] <Yagisan> no probs
[09:12] <sedak> but it is a link into a file of module assistant package
[09:13] <sedak> and with the depends:, no problem anymore :-)
[09:13] <Yagisan> ok - I haven't needed to use module-assitant, so I thought it would be smart to ask
[09:14] <sedak> actually, the better way would be to tell the module-assistant maintainer to add rtl8081 to the static list of known module packages
[09:14] <sedak> but for now, this is a temporary decision
[09:26] <ivoks> evening
[09:28] <\sh> hey ivoks
[09:28] <ivoks> hey
[09:29] <ivoks> what's up?
[09:30] <\sh> strange things are going on ,-)
[09:30] <ivoks> hehe
[09:30] <\sh> the pope arrived in my area...and all our tv services are going crazy since then ,-)
[09:30] <ivoks> haha
[09:31] <\sh> and somehow all my light went off...*strange*
[09:31] <ivoks> now is time to catch up with ubuntu development
[09:32] <ivoks> talking about strange things... my modem responds to AT command, all AT command, except those ATDT and ATDP :)
[09:32] <\sh> hahaha
[09:33] <ivoks> but works in Windows :)
[09:33] <\sh> I just got shtoom with sipgate running :)
[09:41] <ivoks> omg
[09:41] <ivoks> trying to install nvidia-glx results in installing lvm and mdadm... WTF?
[09:42] <tseng> ivoks: you dont really need ATDT anyway
[09:42] <ivoks> tseng: i don't?
[09:42] <tseng> youd think you wanted to dial. or something.
[09:43] <ivoks> well, it's not important...
[09:44] <ivoks> i decided to buy ADSL for my house on sea side :)


[06:10] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:41] <infinity> tjaalton: Awake/around yet?
[06:45] <tjaalton> infinity: yes
[06:50] <infinity> tjaalton: Do you (or someone you know on the team) have a high DPI setup you can verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686 on?
[06:50] <infinity> tjaalton: I guess since it was "fixed" with the theme, you'd just be verifying that the latest daily still looks decent / didn't regress.
[06:50] <infinity> tjaalton: (cyphermox has no way to test)
[06:50] <infinity> And neither do I.
[06:56] <tjaalton> i happen to have a xps15 with a 4k screen, so it should be enough
[06:56] <tjaalton> daily artful?
[06:57] <tjaalton> oh xenial
[06:57] <infinity> Yes, xenial.
[06:58] <duflu> infinity, tjaalton, a physically high DPI screen is not required. Just tweak your gsettings to try other scaling factors
[07:00] <infinity> Doing that in the installer is less pleasant.
[07:00] <infinity> And prone to "not actually testing the real thing".
[07:00] <duflu> It is the real thing, just more cramped
[07:01] <duflu> That said, the gsettings seem to be more complicated now, at least in 17.10
[07:01] <infinity> I mean it's not testing the system as it ships.  So, while it's "the same thing" if you synthesize it correctly, if you don't, you haven't tested it right.
[07:01] <infinity> Anyhow, he has the real thing, so the point is moot.
[07:03]  * duflu sits back and recalls the good old days of IRIX scaling
[07:07] <tjaalton> while the image is downloading, I'll try to repro the bug with 16.04.1 image..
[07:07] <duflu> Did we change the way Gnome does scaling? It seems slightly broken now in that I can't make the scaling-factor agree with text-scaling-factor. Is the latter new?
[07:07] <tjaalton> it doesn't support floats
[07:07] <tjaalton> yet
[07:08] <duflu> tjaalton, I know yes. But I mean I can't set scaling-factor to 2 and come up with any sensible text-scaling-factor to match
[07:09] <tjaalton> ah
[07:09] <duflu> They seem to get multiplied by each other
[07:13] <tjaalton> huh, looks like booting 16.04.1 hangs
[07:15] <tjaalton> worked the second time. and yes I see the issue with it
[07:32] <tjaalton> infinity: yep, works fine
[07:35] <infinity> tjaalton: \o/
[07:35] <infinity> tjaalton: Tell the bug?
[07:35] <infinity> And you did. :)
[07:36] <infinity> tjaalton: Thanks.
[08:02] <willcooke> morning
[08:06] <duflu> morning willcooke
[08:07]  * duflu beats DRM into submission
[08:07] <duflu> and finally wins
[08:07] <willcooke> congrats duflu :)
[08:51] <willcooke> session restart
[08:52] <willcooke> this I why we need a logout option ;)
[09:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:41] <willcooke> hey seb128
[09:42] <willcooke> rebooting, brb
[09:44] <duflu> Hi seb128
[09:58] <willcooke> hrm, looks like my laptop chose a good day to die
[09:58] <willcooke> brb
[10:04] <oSoMoN> hey seb128
[10:07] <willcooke> hmm, something wrong with my laptop, it's not charging.. bbiab once I've done some troubleshoorting
[10:10] <willcooke> hrm, looks like it could be the docking station power supply.  Hope that's the case.
[10:58] <willcooke> not a happy charging laptop today:  http://imgur.com/a/a8M5f
[12:17] <ventrical> goodmorning all
[12:18] <ventrical> from Canada that is :)
[15:31] <jbicha> o/
[15:32] <oSoMoN> jbicha, no weekly meeting today, because GUADEC and holidays
[15:33] <ogra> excuses
[15:33] <willcooke> jbicha, sorry! I emailed the team, and thought "Don't forget to speak to jbicha" and then my laptop went screwy and I promptly forgot
[15:33] <jbicha> ok, next week will be a busy meeting then :)
[15:34] <willcooke> :)
[15:34] <jbicha> I've got a pretty full list already to discuss
[15:34] <jbicha> I'll probably email the list then
[15:35] <jbicha> next week is Debconf too
[15:45] <metalbiker> does anyone know that the website for www.ubuntu.com is down?
[15:46] <metalbiker> i get a 503 error when attempting to access it.
[15:46] <koza_> works for me
[15:46] <metalbiker> hmmm, that's weird. i wonder why i'm getting that error. all other sites are working for me.
[15:47] <metalbiker> ok, now's it working. that was odd.
[15:47] <willcooke> Could be a CDN issue
[15:48] <koza_> 503 is temporary so nothing unusual in a fact that it works after a while
[16:07] <leosilva> hey there, after a hard reboot yesterday my unity search is taking a life to load anything, and it even find/load anything there.
[16:07] <leosilva> any clue what is going on/how to fix it?
[16:08] <leosilva> s/it isn't find anything/
[16:08] <leosilva> keeping saying: "sorry, there is nothing that match with you search"
[17:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: you also went visiting the guys at GUADEC?
[17:03] <Trevinho> or still there?
[17:17] <willcooke> Trevinho, I went over yesterday, was really nice to see people in the flesh :)
[17:17] <willcooke> came back last night
[17:38] <Beret> hrm
[17:38] <Beret> how do you turn off tap to click in artful?
[17:39] <Beret> nm
[17:39] <Beret> found it
[17:39] <Beret> weird, I swear it wasn't there earlier
[17:39]  * Beret goes back to food
[17:54] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh yeah... When I see and join such events I really appreciate the community... I would have loved to go too, but I think I did enough moving this year :-D
[22:20] <fossfreedom> Hi all - can anyone give some feedback please on a couple of suggested desktop package changes for Ubuntu Budgie? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1703690


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[08:07] <mlind_> hiya, could someone trigger rebuilds of maven2 related packages in Ubuntu archive that seem to have FTBFS previously ? These packages are described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102037/comments/7
[08:08] <mlind_> this would make easier for me or someone else to setup PPA for maven2 as it didn't quite make it in Gutsy
[08:11] <man-di> thats more a question for #ubuntu-motu
[08:16] <mlind_> man-di: thanks. I thought some java-savvy core-devs would hang here, but I'll try #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel next


[05:55] <arsson> sooo how do i get mir working?
[05:59] <arsson> now i get only black screen when running mir
[08:12] <alf_> arsson: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/
[08:21] <arsson> already done that
[08:23] <arsson> i have nvidia card geforce gt420 and nouveau drivers. maybe it's that.
[08:38] <alf_> arsson: could be... do you get a black screen when running a sample client, or are you trying to run an X session over mir?
[08:43] <arsson> i go to lightdm and press ctrl+alt+f1 login and run mir
[08:43] <arsson> i don't know how to run any demos
[08:45] <arsson> but if i run mir in terminal it says like this  ERROR: /build/buildd/mir-0.0.2bzr543raring0/src/server/graphics/gbm/gbm_display_helpers.cpp(278): Throw in function void mir::graphics::gbm::helpers::EGLHelper::setup_internal(const mir::graphics::gbm::helpers::GBMHelper&, bool)
[08:45] <arsson> Dynamic exception type: boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >
[08:45] <arsson> std::exception::what: Failed to choose ARGB EGL config
[08:47] <arsson> n i don't understand any of that jiberish
[09:28] <arsson> alf_ any idea?
[09:31] <alf_> arsson: sounds like a nouveau issue
[09:32] <alf_> arsson: I haven't had this on either radeon or intel
[09:34] <alf_> arsson: can you build https://github.com/robclark/kmscube and see if that works in a VT?
[09:36] <arsson> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzg  Right now Mir is said to only work with the Intel and Radeon open-source graphics drivers, but evidently is not yet working for Nouveau. In terms of binary drivers supporting Mir, Canonical claims to be pressuring AMD and NVIDIA to support it, but that will likely be quite some time until those blobs make the changes to fully support EGL and other requirements.
[09:41] <arsson> i really don't how to succesfully build anything if there is no good instructions and i'm finnish so english is a bit hard for me.
[09:54] <arsson> and when i install close source drivers unity disappears and other desktops too. only wallpaper is visible
[13:40] <hikiko> hello
[13:42] <hikiko> I was trying to write an example program using gbm to get sure that it can be used under X and I was getting compile errors from libdrm (drm.h) I've done some modifications (added some parts of the freebsd drm.h that were missing) and now it works but I don't know where to submit my patch... any ideas?
[13:51] <alf_> hikiko: can you pastebin the diff?
[13:52] <hikiko> alf_, i just saw that the latest version has a fix
[13:53] <hikiko> in drm.h you need to use an #if defined(_cplusplus) in drm_buf_map because void *virtual; will give you a compile error
[13:54] <hikiko> #if defined(__cplusplus)
[13:54] <hikiko> 	void __user *c_virtual;
[13:54] <hikiko> #else
[13:54] <hikiko> 	void __user *virtual;		/**< Mmap'd area in user-virtual */
[13:54] <hikiko> #endif
[13:54] <hikiko> something like that
[13:54] <hikiko> but latest libdrm here: http://dri.freedesktop.org/libdrm/
[13:54] <hikiko> has the macro
[13:56] <hikiko> which version of libdrm you use?
[13:57] <hikiko> I wonder if it is safe to compile the 2.4.43
[14:06] <hikiko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667425/ alf_ that's the error without the change (using the installed drm.h)
[14:17] <alf_> hikiko: We are using whatever comes with raring devel (currently 2.4.43)
[14:17] <hikiko> :s
[14:18] <hikiko> I should have the same version then :s
[14:23] <alf_> hikiko: I wonder why we don't get a build error for that in mir...
[14:25] <hikiko> maybe because mir includes the xf86drm.h
[14:26] <hikiko> ah no it includes drm.h as well so we should get the error
[14:26] <hikiko> but we don't :s
[14:28] <hikiko> the most strange is that if I do apt-get source libdrm-dev I get the latest fixed drm.h but my /usr/include/drm/drm.h is different
[14:35] <hikiko> :/ it seems that there are 2 drm.h :p my mistake... drm/drm.h has the bug and libdrm/drm.h is the correct from libdrm-dev :p i was using the system's drm.h
[14:46] <hikiko> ok alf_ my mistake... there are 2 drm versions but mir uses pkg-config and gets the libdrm which doesn't have the bug :) i used pkg-config in my makefile and now my test uses the non-buggy header, sorry :)
[15:03] <alf_> status: Finished iteration-0 of vt-switching, have hacky working code locally... up next proper design for this
[15:05] <kdub> status, finishing up the hwc 1.1 branch and starting work on the framebuffer native window for android (deprecating the code we're using now)
[15:13] <kdub> alf_, what if i rename mga::FBFactory to mga::DisplayFactory and rename mga::DisplayFactory to mga::DisplayAllocator
[15:15] <alf_> kdub: The confusion comes from "Display", so I am not sure if this is going to be any clearer
[15:16] <alf_> kdub: Is there a different way to express (HWC|Android)Display?
[15:16] <kdub> those classes implement mg::Display though
[15:17] <alf_> kdub: ahh, you are right
[15:18] <kdub> i do agree though that the mga::FBFactory just uses "FB" because its a word that just sort-of fits there
[15:20] <alf_> kdub: in light of this, DisplayAllocator seems much better
[15:20] <alf_> kdub: although, I guess its only purpose is for testing? (e.g. your comment in the MP)
[15:20] <kdub> cool
[15:20]  * kdub goes to change it
[15:46] <racarr> Morning
[15:46] <racarr> status: *squitns at monitor while holding one hand over light*
[15:47] <racarr> actual status: Iterating on inprocess-egl soon, reviews, etc.
[15:49] <kgunn> racarr: homeless guy was wrong...i heard Easter happened yesterday
[15:50] <ogra_> depending on your country it is also happening today :)
[15:50] <ogra_> (i.e. germany has  easter monday ... national holiday ...)
[15:51] <smspillaz> ditto australia
[15:52] <racarr> kgunn: I'll let him know ;
[15:52] <racarr> )
[15:55] <kgunn> racarr: i saw kdub/alang gave a pretty exhaustive review...think this will be the week for inprocess egl to land once those are addressed?
[15:58] <kdub> alf_, name changes pushed
[15:58] <alf_> kdub: ok
[15:59] <racarr> kgunn: Should be :)
[16:00] <kgunn> racarr: awesome!
[16:01] <kgunn> racarr: so do you have (or plan to have a test) that runs 2 clients at once...one with its own buffs vs mir provided? (just thinking of a nasty test)
[16:02] <racarr> kgunn: With it's own buffers?
[16:03] <racarr> What kind of client do you mean
[16:03] <kgunn> was thinking shell-like
[16:04] <racarr> they get mir provided buffers just via
[16:04] <racarr> inprocess communication
[16:04] <racarr> hmm testing 1 in process and 1 out of process though...no...it has been tested but we don't really have any
[16:04] <racarr> integration tests that call in Mesa as well
[16:43] <racarr> ICE's...ugggh
[17:03] <racarr> iterated on enable-inprocess-egl
[17:03] <racarr> making tea then back to receive-input-in-clients
[17:09] <kgunn> racarr: is it worth it to add such a in/out of process simultaneous test...guess, with qt everything should be in process...so, not that interesting
[17:17]  * kdub just discovered you can link blueprints to branches...
[17:17] <kdub> kgunn, is that something that's helpful to do?
[17:19] <kgunn> kdub: i like linking stuff....i think more helpful than not
[17:39] <racarr> Let it grow is the best song for test driven refactoring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUD2IX1UfM
[17:39] <racarr> (just to settle that question ;))
[17:53] <racarr> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbW6UWFrCk of course being the second best song for refactoring)
[18:31] <racarr|lunch> Back soon!
[21:04] <racarr> Cleaned up and iterated on receive-input-in-client and enable-inprocess-egl did some reviews and doxygen and blabla
[21:05] <racarr> Guess I am going to work on a non hacked together branch of Qtubuntu with input that works on Mir :)
[21:10] <racarr> kdub: Is      bzr branch lp:~kdub/aal+/ubuntu-platform-mir  the most current version of ~kdub/ubuntu-platform-mir
[21:10] <racarr> I need ubuntu-platform-mir now XD so I was going to do it
[21:10] <racarr> and was trying to find wher ethe launchpad branches moved and found this
[21:10] <kdub> racarr, yeah, thats how I switch out surfaceflinger from the ubuntu touch demos
[21:10] <racarr> Ok great!
[21:10] <kdub> i won't say its perfect though :)
[21:11] <racarr> I have a likely even more hacked together version
[21:11] <racarr> for running qtubuntu to test input
[21:11] <racarr> so I will combine them and make something
[21:24] <kdub> racarr, cool. the branch you reviewed there (thanks btw) should run on nexus 4 with no screen problems
[21:28] <racarr> :D
[21:28] <racarr> I wish I could test it...nexus 4 had an incident with the washing machine
[21:28] <racarr> down to nexus 7 atm
[21:37] <thomi> Hey everyone
[21:37] <robert_ancell> thomi, hello
[21:40] <thomi> building glmark for mir....
[21:40]  * thomi crosses fingers
[22:19] <RAOF> Woot
[22:19] <thomi> ugh
[22:21] <thomi> now I'm super-confused, perhaps someone can un-confuse me a bit...
[22:21] <thomi> the branch alf_ mentioned in his email (lp:~mir-team/glmark2/mir) doesn't contain the mir-* flavours he mentioned.
[22:21] <thomi> but lp:glmark2 does.
[22:22] <thomi> yet his email seems to indicate that active development is happening in the mir-team branch.... and it doesn't merge cleanly with glmark2 trunk either
[22:22] <thomi> so.... which branch am I supposed to be building?
[22:41] <poseidon> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/md__h_a_c_k_i_n_g.html says mir won't work on systems with nvidia cards (under running mir), is this correct?
[22:53] <RAOF> poseidon: No, that's incorrect, although you do need to be using the (default) nouveau drivers. *XMir* won't currently work on nvidia systems because we haven't patched nouveau for it yet, but XMir's not currently working anyway :)
[22:53] <RAOF> thomi: WHere's lp:glmark2?
[22:53] <RAOF> Oh, whoops. Missed the '2'
[22:54] <thomi> oh good, that makes sense then :)
[22:54] <thomi> my current strategy is to try and build lp:glmark2 and ignore the other branch
[22:54] <RAOF> Looks like alf_'s Mir work is already merged into lp:glmark2
[22:55] <Darxus> Yup.
[22:55] <thomi> which is odd, since that was merged *before* he sent the email on mir-devel
[22:56] <thomi> ahh well
[22:56] <thomi> I'll just ignore it, and build trunk
[22:57] <Darxus> RAOF: Are you doing some of the work on xmir?  Do you think that's likely to be a useful reference for finishing the xwayland stuff?
[22:58] <RAOF> Darxus: It's in the same problem-domain as XWayland, yes. At the moment we're targetting a full root-window-full server, though, so I don't think we're (yet) hitting the most difficult bits.
[22:59] <RAOF> Although we might run into and solve system-compository problems before xwayland.
[22:59] <Darxus> That makes sense, thanks.


[15:56] <chronossc> someone have idea how get back my transparency and desktop effects after set dua monitor with nvidia-settings?
[17:12] <chronossc> there is a way of dump actual xorg.conf used / generated by default by ubuntu?


[01:17] <admcleod_> could someone please point me to the code where private-address is set? i have had a discussion with stub about this not being the best way to get the private ip due to some bugs, but im very confused because its in a test environment that had previously been working, so its quite possible its something i changed.
[03:34] <veebers> bab
[03:34] <veebers> huh, how did that happen :-
[13:52] <hml> good morning
[14:55] <hml> balloons: do we support the case of old client new controller?
[14:56] <balloons> hml, that can get a little hairy
[14:56] <hml> balloons: ack -
[14:56] <balloons> hml, but in general, it's certainly possible for there to be a little skew
[14:56] <balloons> I think the skew typically happens the other way though.. older controller, newer client
[14:57] <balloons> most folks seems to try and match them
[15:34] <admcleod_> hi guys, any movement on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1765571 ?
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1765571: lxd container fails to launch on bionic host: No associated target operation <juju:Triaged by manadart> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765571>
[15:41] <hml> externalreality_: I’m pushing up the changes based on your comments to https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8663, please review.  working on the related test changes now