[06:18] <mne> hi there ! I'm using a debian base install, but the Xorg with all its dependencies is from ubuntu hoary which is the reason I came here. My problem is that the Xorg (the process Xorg) uses at least 245MB RAM, if Xorg runs for some time it even uses more than 350MB RAM. I have no explanation for the high memory usage since the same Xorg packages on my other boxes use about 40MB RAM. Any hints ? Could it be the graphic driver module (I
[06:18] <mne> use nvidia) ?
[06:18] <narch> sig, they're compiled against debian, and sometimes rely on Xfree packages, and stuff, you can get into a mess if you're not careful
[06:18] <Heimdall> Seveas : I have installed tetex, but this is not the same thing as latex ? :/
[06:18] <Seveas> Heimdall, it is..
[06:18] <Danar> how can i defrag hdb1 (fat32) or hdb4 (ext2) when they no longer show in /dev ?
[06:18] <narch> sig, i don't remember any dependancy issues with dvdstyler tho
[06:18] <Andlinux21> ubotu: i was just laffin at you asking him if he smoked crack
[06:18] <ubotu> Andlinux21: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:18] <xvlun> tetex is a latex distribution
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone use dosbox?
[06:19] <Heimdall> Seveas : oh sorry... I typed tex, and not latex
[06:19] <Seveas> mne, Xorg on Debian is not really supported...
[06:19] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[06:19] <LinuxJones> mne, is your hard drive grinding away because of it ?
[06:19] <reka> Andlinux21: ubotu is a bot :-)
[06:19] <Danar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i have
[06:19] <Heimdall> okay... thanks :)
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Danar have you tryed it with doom?
[06:19] <Andlinux21> reka: thanks but it was funny
[06:19] <mne> LinuxJones, yeah, sometimes it starts to swap since all my RAM (1GB) if full
[06:19] <gteppel> How would I restrict root from logging into my box, meaning that the user has to first log in with a regular account and then su to root. I've already restricted this for ssh, but I'm not sure how do accomplish this for the actually physical box
[06:20] <Danar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no... i ran the linux version of doom
[06:20] <Heimdall> Seveas :it is quite long to download all the apckages :/
[06:20] <Danar> er, doom 3 actually
[06:20] <Seveas> gteppel, by not messing with the default config :)
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where can i get it?
[06:20] <mne> Seveas, As I already said it's NOT debian specific since all X related packages and dependencies are from hoary.
[06:20] <unreal> hmm
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh i wanted to run doom 3.1
[06:20] <LinuxJones> mne, that's horrid, have you considered installing Ubuntu or reverting to xfree ?
[06:20] <Seveas> gteppel, cause by default it's disabled...
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for dos
[06:20] <Demian___> why can't I apt-get smeg?
[06:20] <Danar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, which one?
[06:20] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > Seveas: http://pastebin.com/301862
[06:20] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > here it is
[06:20] <Danar> k
[06:21] <gteppel> k
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Danar which doom?
[06:21] <unreal> I might as well burn the livecd disc and check if it detects my mouse there, and hopefully i'll be able to copy the config and get it working here
[06:21] <Danar> maybe this: http://www.gamers.org/dhs/helpdocs/Linux-DOOM-FAQ.html#where
[06:21] <LinuxJones> unreal, what kind of mouse do you have ?
[06:21] <Seveas> Tallia1[UbuntU] , omg, you messed it up quite a bit
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Danar Thanx ^_^
[06:21] <unreal> I have a wireless keyboard and mouse, the keyboard works fine straight away, the mouse doesn't
[06:22] <unreal> but I know the mouse works after doing cat /dev/input/mouse1
[06:22] <mne> LinuxJones, I used the same ubuntu package on my other debian machine where it just works fine. I guess it has something to do with the graphic driver module. I'm considering "upgrading" to ubuntu, unfortuately I currently have no time for it. (maybe in July)
[06:22] <Seveas> Tallia1[UbuntU] , the initrd lines should be placed right after the kernel lines
[06:22] <Danar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, np. just went to google.com/linux and searched 'doom'
[06:22] <Seveas> Tallia1[UbuntU] , and definitely before boot
[06:22] <avinoam> Can someone tell me how to write a script which runs the program "cd Desktop/netvision" and then "sudo ./cablestart.v031 kramer83 eth0"?
[06:22] <Seveas> Tallia1[UbuntU] , that's what's causing this....
[06:22] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > i tried..
[06:22] <mne> LinuxJones, is there a way to debug the Xorg server ?
[06:22] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > nothing changes..
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> duh keep forgetting the benifets of google >.<
[06:22] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > i tried just befor i uninstalled grub.. :(
[06:22] <avinoam> while of course prompting me for SU password?
[06:22] <LinuxJones> mne, it must be related in some way if that's the only difference, can you try using the vesa module to see if there is a change ?
[06:23] <scott> a lot of times when I change songs or skip forward (also in movies) in totem and other players I hear a loud screach. anyone know how to get rid of that?
[06:23] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > do you know if in the net there's a grub CD ISO?
[06:23] <Danar> LinuxJones, you have a mic?
[06:23] <sig> narch: when I added a marrilat repo I got failed to fetch blah MD5Sum mismatch ?
[06:23] <mne> LinuxJones, thats a good tip, I'll try it out. the funny thing is taht other people use the same nvidia kernel module and Xorg module and they don't have these problems ..
[06:24] <Danar> oops
[06:24] <LinuxJones> Danar, nope
[06:24] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > Seveas: so i can reinstall grub :)
[06:24] <Danar> not you
[06:24] <Danar> meant scoot
[06:24] <Danar> *scott
[06:24] <Danar> lol
[06:24] <narch> sig, yeah, that repository has no md5sums or something :(
[06:24] <nalioth> sig: don't use marillat
[06:24] <LinuxJones> mne, I have a GF5200 and xorg is using about 40 MB of memory
[06:24] <mne> LinuxJones, I'm trying the vesa module now, I'll tell you if it changes my situation when I'm done. thanks for helping
[06:24] <sig> nalioth: but I want a package that isn't provided by ubuntu
[06:24] <LinuxJones> mne, GL :)
[06:25] <avinoam> not everybody at once now!!
[06:25] <narch> nalioth: you could try backports, but i'm not sure if dvdstyler is in there or not
[06:25] <LinuxJones> Danar, that wasn't even close :)
[06:25] <scott> Danar: not plugged in
[06:25] <nalioth> narch: sig marillat and backports are bad. and left in your sources.list can break your system
[06:25] <mne> LinuxJones, thats the same on my other boxes, Xorg uses 40MB Ram there as well. just this box I'm currently sitting at has this problem. So till later ;)
[06:25] <Danar> LinuxJones, you typed just before he did
[06:25] <scott> Danar: you think if I mute the mic that will get rid of it?
[06:25] <narch> nalioth: i agree, but if someone wants dvdstyler, what choice do they have?
[06:25] <LinuxJones> Danar, :)
[06:26] <scott> Danar, or were you thinking feedback? it's not that loud of the screach
[06:26] <Danar> scott, not if it's not plugged in. screeches are normally caused by feedback from the mic
[06:26] <Danar> ah
[06:26] <scott> this is a screach from the software
[06:26] <nalioth> narch: dvdwhat?
[06:26] <scott> I think anyway
[06:26] <Danar> hrm
[06:26] <narch> nalioth, sure, you could download just the .deb files you need, but then it becomes a headache if there are dependancies, and iirc, dvdstyler has quite a few
[06:26] <Danar> never had a screech from software before
[06:27] <narch> nalioth, its a dvd authoring package, takes xml files and vob files and produces the VIDEO_TS directory contents for a DVD
[06:27] <nalioth> narch: i have seen a lot of peeps in here using bp and marillat with unupgradable systems
[06:27] <nalioth> narch: better to figure another way
[06:28] <FirstLite> Danar: Umm ... I'm not really sure what you might do at this point.  I'm no udev expert.  But you might want to back up your partition table ASAP.  You can use cfdisk, press "p" to print the table, and copy down the stuff on the screen.  This might help you restore if your partition table gets corrupted.  If it's _already_ corrupted, then I have heard of "partition guessing" software called "gpart" ...
[06:28] <Danar> FirstLite, thx... :(
[06:28] <Recyclable> lo
[06:29] <Recyclable> i am having a problem with installing nexuiz
[06:29] <bhna> me too
[06:30] <narch> i don't suppose anyone here now knows their way around hotplug ?
[06:30] <Danar> FirstLite, um... cfdisk doesn't show hdb at all!
[06:30] <scott> is there a way to have gnome place windows in a better position? like use real estate as efficiently as possible?
[06:30] <Danar> i am so screwed
[06:31] <Recyclable> anyone else having problems with nexuiz?
[06:31] <wbastien> bhna said yes
[06:31] <unreal> LinuxJones: did you see what I said or? :)
[06:32] <Recyclable> anyone know how i could fix my problem installing nexuiz?  Is there a way to use mouse gestures in gnome (2.10.0)?
[06:35] <mne> LinuxJones, yes, I did that too
[06:35] <Danar> FirstLite, k, shows in cfdisk too with 'cfdisk /dev/hdb'
[06:35] <enrike> who am i ?
[06:35] <_kevin> why you say that Nalioth?
[06:35] <nalioth> _kevin: amd64 and ppc arches are missing lots of nice binarys (like win32 codecs, realplayer, etc)
[06:35] <Zunino> To whomever was helping me previously: the "keyboard layout list has become empty" issue has been solved.
[06:35] <Danar> thought i lost everything for a second there...
[06:35] <Heimdall> can I see the .bashrc-like files when I do a 'ls' ?
[06:35] <_kevin> who sid I'm on amd 64
[06:35] <rc51woody> ok i went throught the entire directions on adding java to firefox
[06:35] <rc51woody> and it still doesnt work
[06:35] <FirstLite> Danar: ok, cool, try to copy the partition table.
[06:35] <_kevin> I'm on Amd Athlon THunderbird
[06:36] <nalioth> kevin WHAT exactly are you using?
[06:36] <FirstLite> Danar: And quit WITHOUT saving
[06:36] <Zunino> It turns out I did have a backup and it seems things got fixed after I put back the files in /etc/X11 and restarted KDM.
[06:36] <Zunino> Thanks.
[06:36] <nalioth> _kevin: and what arch are you using?
[06:36] <ja> anyone can help me ? please
[06:36] <_kevin> x86 I'm guessing
[06:36] <Zunino> Now... The only nagging thing is the cedilla () issue.
[06:36] <Danar> FirstLite, oy, copy to where?
[06:36] <Danar> no point saving to the hard drive. no way i'm writing all that out.
[06:36] <syntheticocean> Can someone help me get my sound working please? I have an Audigy 2 ZS, and no sound.
[06:37] <CarlK> anyone have a wi-fi detection app recomendation?
[06:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow computer froze hard core >.<
[06:37] <Danar> wait, i know
[06:37] <ivanox> CarlK, Kismet
[06:37] <iKst> hello...does anyone have expirience with ubuntu on slow machines ? i want to run it on P233 with 64mb of ram, will i be able to run gnome, openoffice and firefox ?
[06:37] <mne> LinuxJones, it there another way to have a look at which processes use how much memory ? I use top
[06:37] <CarlK> ivanox - thanks
[06:37] <FirstLite> Danar: umm ... I though it would be only a couple lines.  Yeah, DON'T save to the hdd.
[06:37] <nalioth> _kevin: then you shouldnt have any trouble follwoing the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ instructions for real, win32 codecs, etc
[06:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mne yes it will ^_^
[06:37] <_kevin> ok
[06:37] <CarlK> iKst - I run it on exactly that - iw "will" run, but not fast
[06:38] <_kevin> i was just wondering what PPC was
[06:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just installed ubuntu on a machene with simalr specs yesterday
[06:38] <CarlK> iKst - wait... I have 96meg
[06:38] <mne> ChurcH_of_FoamY, huh ?
[06:38] <rc51woody> Seveas: I need help on the java
[06:38] <CarlK> iKst - 64 is going to hurt
[06:38] <zyth> iKst, I recommend XFce, Firefox, and Abiword, etc...
[06:38] <LinuxJones> mne, ps -aux but I think top uses that neways
[06:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mne sorry wrong person
[06:38] <mne> ChurcH_of_FoamY, np
[06:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> got the name wrong lol
[06:38] <syntheticocean> Can anyone here help me figure out why my sound isn't working please?
[06:38] <zyth> iKst, you might look into a distro for low end systems like vectorlinux.  It's designed for older boxes.
[06:39] <Danar> FirstLite, well, there's 4 partitions, and a line looks like this:
[06:39] <Danar> 4  0x00  254   63 1023 0x83  254   63 1023   296511705   152231940
[06:39] <Andlinux21> anyone using rxvt? if so how do you get transparent windows
[06:39] <iKst> tnx
[06:39] <mne> LinuxJones, unfortunaely ps -aux shown me the percentage of memory a process uses only. not the actual size in mb
[06:40] <zyth> mne: try 'top'
[06:40] <CarlK> iKst - you can use Ubuntu, just don't load up everything.  do a "server" install, then add X, a "light" WM, firefox, and OO
[06:40] <nalioth> rc51woody: what is the problem?
[06:40] <capi> in RFC 1178 it says to avoid using single tokens for your computer network. Does this mean name the computers something.blah ? I'm a little confused, as that sounds like it may cause more problems.
[06:40] <mne> LinuxJones, so anyway, thanks for helping, I have to get back to work. At least I know now that the problem isn't the nvidia driver module.
[06:40] <rc51woody> went through the steps
[06:40] <rc51woody> and still nothing
[06:40] <FirstLite> Danar: OK, that looks right.  Maybe you can ssh somewhere else and cut 'n paste into a file on that machine?
[06:40] <Zunino> Sorry for the naive question, but how do you send a "directed" message to someone here on the chat window. I mean, some people reply to questions in a way that it is easy for me to spot the response, as it comes out red and begins with my name. Is there any special syntax for it?
[06:40] <zyth> syntheticocean, have you made sure that your volume isn't just muted?
[06:41] <mne> zyth, hehe, i actually wanted to know if there's a 'top' alternative ;) but thanks
[06:41] <zyth> mne: oh ok :)
[06:41] <Danar> FirstLite, got it saved somewhere...
[06:41] <capi> Zunino, its just your IRC program tracking all the messages with your name, you can set it up to highlight certain keywords.
[06:41] <CarlK> Zunino - i think you just ... yeah, that
[06:41] <Danar> online
[06:42] <zyth> Zunino, that's xchat being nice.  Type the first few characters of their nick (like, say Zun and then hit tab, it'll autocomplete, etc)
[06:42] <Zunino> Cool guys
[06:42] <CarlK> Zunino - type the first few chars of a nick (like Zun) and hit Tab
[06:42] <Zunino> Thanks. It is indeed a nice feature.
[06:42] <nalioth> rc51woody: the instructions on the java wiki page work well
[06:42] <Zunino> CarlK, very cool!
[06:42] <Zunino> Thanks!
[06:42] <rc51woody> can you give me the link again
[06:42] <flodine> how do i uninstall kubuntu
[06:42] <rc51woody> i will go through them again
[06:42] <Danar> FirstLite, so... what now?
[06:43] <nalioth> rc51woody: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingJavaSupport
[06:43] <syntheticocean> zyth, Yes, I made sure the sound isn't muted.
[06:43] <flodine> little help
[06:43] <nalioth> rc51woody: what kind of cpu do you have?
[06:43] <flodine> uninstalling kubuntu
[06:43] <rc51woody> pentium
[06:43] <rc51woody> 1.6 ghz
[06:43] <rc51woody> 1.5
[06:43] <rc51woody> i mean
[06:43] <Danar> oh, anyone know why ubuntu doesn't detect the logitech mx500 properly?
[06:43] <Danar> it thinks it only has 5 buttons
[06:43] <zyth> syntheticocean, is it detected if you run lspci?
[06:44] <rc51woody> on that java support page
[06:44] <Danar> (mouse)
[06:44] <rc51woody> i had to change each of the file names
[06:44] <rc51woody> cuz there is a new version
[06:44] <rc51woody> 03
[06:44] <syntheticocean> zyth, 0000:02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[06:44] <nalioth> rc51woody: thats fine, as long as the general inst are followed, the version matters not
[06:44] <rc51woody> i went through the entire process
[06:45] <rc51woody> ill do it again
[06:45] <zyth> syntheticocean, and do you also have onboard sound by chance?
[06:45] <syntheticocean> yes
[06:45] <zyth> Danar, http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html
[06:45] <Zunino> Could anyone point me to resources that would help programmers new to hacking Linux on how the cycle works? More specifically, I intend to modify the algorithm used by the window manager to choose windows' placement. Personally, I dislike the one used by default, in spite of it being called "smart placement".
[06:45] <zyth> google's first result.
[06:45] <zyth> syntheticocean, disable the onboard sound in your bios
[06:45] <syntheticocean> In Bios?
[06:46] <zyth> yep
[06:46] <Zunino> I wanted to know how, after modifying the source I could get that change to take effect on my system.
[06:46] <sktrdie> do u guys know where the ubuntu ass picture is?
[06:46] <sktrdie> i cant find it anymore
[06:46] <syntheticocean> Give me a sec, I'll do that zyth
[06:46] <mdipi> Hey all, does anyone have any experience with PPC ubuntu?
[06:46] <zyth> syntheticocean, k
[06:46] <Danar> zyth, yeah, i know about that, but it's been around for a while now, and ought to be done automatically by now
[06:46] <HappyFool> Zunino: you'd probably have to hack either gnome or metacity source (not sure which)
[06:47] <Zunino> That would be Metacity, for Gnome.
[06:47] <zyth> Danar, ahh.  Probably depends if anyone who writes the software has one ;)
[06:47] <Danar> ubuntu detects my hardware better than debian though
[06:47] <sktrdie> mdipi: i have a ppc computer, but not with ubuntu.. what do u need?
[06:47] <Andlinux21> Danar I agree
[06:47] <Danar> zyth, it's the best mouse, they should :p
[06:47] <HappyFool> Zunino: i'm not sure what the 'correct' ubuntu/debian procedure is; you could start by trying to download the sources for metacity using apt-get source
[06:47] <Zunino> HappyFool, the funny thing is that I am now running on KDE and the positioning scheme seems to be the same as Metacity.
[06:47] <rc51woody> in those directions
[06:47] <zyth> sktrdie, the install cd I think.
[06:47] <rc51woody> for installing java support
[06:47] <nalioth> mdipi: i have a couple PPC ubuntu boxen
[06:47] <Zunino> HappyFool, Does KDE use metacity as well?
[06:48] <zyth> oh
[06:48] <rc51woody> there might be an error
[06:48] <zyth> I misread ;)
[06:48] <Seveas> Zunino, no
[06:48] <HappyFool> Zunino: ah, well, in that case you'll want to hack kde source. i don't use kubuntu, don't know what window manager
[06:48] <rc51woody> sudo mv jre1.5.0_02/ /usr/java/
[06:48] <HappyFool> Zunino: sorry, don't know
[06:48] <mdipi> Sktrdie: well I'd like to install Ubuntu on my ext. FW, can i do this without nuking the whole thing?
[06:48] <Danar> wb FirstLite
[06:48] <sktrdie> mdipi... well there should be the option in the ubuntu installation
[06:48] <FirstLite> Danar: Sorry, I got dropped.  Did I miss anything?
[06:48] <Wimpie> about ubutuguide.org : apt-get install w32codecs is missing.  Different repository ?
[06:48] <HappyFool> Zunino: anyway, find out what window manager ;) and probably use apt-get source and 'apt-get build-dep', hack away, build and install
[06:49] <mdipi> Sktrdie: There is for partitioning, but it wants to blow the whole thing away :-/
[06:49] <zyth> Wimpie, I think it's in hoary-extras
[06:49] <Danar> FirstLite, i asked what next...
[06:49] <zyth> !w32codecs
[06:49] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats or http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:49] <nalioth> mdipi: i don't think ubuntu supports installing to ext devices, yet. i tried and it hung on reboot (couldnt find the base isntall)
[06:49] <sktrdie> mdipi: do u want to partition the FW?
[06:49] <HappyFool> Zunino: it may be that the window manager is scriptable, or customizable, in a way that makes it not necessary to hack C/C++ source, but I don't know
[06:49] <Zunino> Will building require me to rebuild the whole thing or does it just work as any regular modular build process, where only the changed parts wil be built and then linked together?
[06:49] <mdipi> Yeah, I think it'd just be easier for me to nuke my internal drive and go from that
[06:49] <mdipi> thanks for the help guys
[06:49] <Danar> !gparted
[06:49] <ubotu> Danar: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:49] <Zunino> HappyFool, interesting. That is possible indeed.
[06:50] <Danar> :(
[06:50] <sktrdie> do u guys have the ubuntu asses picture
[06:50] <HappyFool> Zunino: i imagine you'll need to build just the window manager. Seveas, do you know what wm kubuntu uses?
[06:50] <Danar> !parted
[06:50] <zyth> Zunino, you're probably best off to ask that in #gnome or whatever WM channel, they'll likely know more
[06:50] <ubotu> Danar: Are you smoking crack?
[06:50] <sktrdie> of the 3 asses touching eachother :P
[06:50] <Zunino> HappyFool, I guess I will have a look at KDE's development site.
[06:50] <Seveas> sktrdie, search the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>archive
[06:50] <HappyFool> Zunino: maybe ask in #kubuntu
[06:50] <zyth> ok #KDE
[06:50] <zyth> s/ok/or
[06:51] <Zunino> HappyFool, unfortunatelly, #kubuntu is way less busy than here and the likelihood of getting responses ditto.
[06:51] <scott_> zyth, no luck. I disabled onboard sound and the audigy still isn't working.
[06:51] <HappyFool> Zunino: ok, just a suggestion ;)
[06:51] <XandriX> i think it stalled at un[acking postfix ...
[06:51] <Zunino> HappyFool, thank you very much!
[06:51] <Zunino> HappyFool, I will go now. But thanks for your and the other guys' help.
[06:51] <Zunino> Cheers, everyone!
[06:52] <Amaranth> Zunino: Sure, but I bet most people here don't know anything about KDE. :)
[06:52] <HappyFool> good luck
[06:52] <zyth> scott_, hm, odd.
[06:52] <scott_> The 'hum' that I get right now did cut out for longer, like it was going to work though.
[06:52] <zyth> scott_, card model again please?
[06:52] <XandriX> um why is it stalling at unpacking postfix
[06:53] <Demian___> does anyone know how you can make ubuntu see your digital camera?
[06:53] <nalioth> rc51woody: why do you say the mv command is not right?
[06:53] <Demian___> at first he did
[06:53] <dacrepair> can someone point me in the direction of a good c compiler
[06:53] <HappyFool> dacrepair: gcc
[06:53] <Demian___> en then suddenly it didn't
[06:53] <Amaranth> dacrepair: gcc
[06:53] <Danar> ubuntu is male? :p
[06:53] <HappyFool> dacrepair: install the 'build-essential' package
[06:53] <dacrepair> thank you
[06:53] <sktrdie> Seveas: hu?
[06:53] <scott_> zyth, audigy 2 zs platinum
[06:54] <HappyFool> XandriX: you are installing from CD?
[06:54] <XandriX> HappyFool, yeah well its the pc itsself that frose
[06:54] <XandriX> lol old dumb machine that p2 400 with 320 mb o ram is
[06:54] <Seveas> sktrdie, I assume you referred to the picture of 3 women forming a sort-of Ubuntu logo with their asses. A url to this picture was posted on the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list
[06:54] <Danar> sktrdie, hoo?
[06:55] <XandriX> HappyFool, ugg cat got at the power cord ...
[06:55] <XandriX> damnit
[06:55] <HappyFool> XandriX: feline extermination is not yet supported by ubuntu install
[06:55] <Seveas> rofl :)
[06:55] <sktrdie> Seveas: do u have the link?
[06:56] <XandriX> HappyFool, when will it be lol
[06:56] <djp> is the following really necessary under hoary? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:56] <HappyFool> XandriX: anyway, assuming your hardware is OK, it could be that your CD is bad
[06:56] <FirstLite> Danar: OK ... Well, I doubt your part table got corrupted, but it never hurts to back it up.  I'm not sure what next, though ... you might try a) shrinking the fat32 part by a smaller amount (this might help because gparted can probably cut off any part that's not being used for data) b) rebooting in case something got messed up c) installing Ubuntu to another partition and resizing stuff once you get it installed.  Sorry I can't help more :(
[06:56] <unreal> quick question, why would a bunch of modules be 'blacklisted'?
[06:56] <Seveas> sktrdie, http://www.alobbs.com/images/3ubuntu.jpg
[06:57] <zyth> what's the gnome equivalent of kmix?
[06:57] <XandriX> HappyFool, assuming it might be old ram tripping out to but well for hte moment everything is aok exept my cat wont be later
[06:57] <Seveas> zyth, gnome-volume-control perhaps...
[06:57] <wouterl> i have a problem with ethernet. when i preform 'ifconfig eth0", ifconfig replys that the device doesn't exist... it's probably a hardware problem so my question is: a pentium 120mhz, does it use PCI 2.1 ?
[06:57] <sktrdie> Seveas: awsome...
[06:57] <zyth> scott_, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18713&highlight=audigy+zs
[06:57] <Danar> FirstLite, C) is a ways away. i already have 4 partitions, so can't make another. it won't let me make an extended one for some reason, and i'm working on having space for an ubuntu partition now....
[06:58] <Danar> unreal, maybe they were conflicting with something
[06:58] <scott_> I can't ever get into ubuntuforums.
[06:58] <Anon3217> what is the minimum ram needed for Ubuntu?
[06:58] <zyth> scott_, just click that link
[06:59] <Anon3217> does anyone know?
[06:59] <dantheman64> 32MB
[06:59] <djp> Anon3217: 64mb should see you ok
[06:59] <dantheman64> as in the docs
[06:59] <unreal> Danar: how would I find out if that was happening?
[06:59] <dantheman64> but obviously that's gonna be REAL slow
[06:59] <FirstLite> Danar: To make extended partitions, you need to give up your fourth "primary" one.  If gparted is working OK now, try deleting hda4 (if it's expendable) before making extended parts.
[06:59] <Anon3217> would 128mb be enough for it to run wo/ problems?
[06:59] <djp> Anon3217: 32mb is also feasable
[06:59] <wouterl> sure Anon3217
[07:00] <rc51woody> whats the command for delete?
[07:00] <Echylo> rm
[07:00] <Anon3217> and, will Ubuntu dual boot w/ Win XP Home?
[07:00] <FirstLite> Danar: To clarify, there's a max of 4 "primary" partitions, and the extended ones live in the fourth primary one.
[07:00] <Danar> unreal, i don't really know enough to help you there, but i had to blacklist modules before due to conflicts. that's why i mentioned it
[07:00] <Seveas> Anon3217, yes
[07:00] <wouterl> Anon3217: yes
[07:00] <Danar> FirstLite, none of them are expendable yet, that's why i need to resize them
[07:00] <Anon3217> will the dual boot hurt the Win system?
[07:00] <Seveas> Anon3217, about the specs: if your system runs winxp, it can run ubuntu too
[07:00] <Seveas> Anon3217, it eill not hurt
[07:00] <scott_> zyth, no luck.
[07:00] <Danar> FirstLite, it won't let me resize it by even a little bit
[07:01] <djp> is the following really necessary under hoary? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:01] <Seveas> maybe it will hurt Bill Gates' pride :)
[07:01] <scott_> zyth,  can't get onto that page.  ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:01] <wouterl> Anon3217 if you have windows 2000, windows 2000 will boot slower because he can't recognize the linux partition, that problem is fixed in xp
[07:01] <HappyFool> hey
[07:01] <Heimdall> HappyFool : don't worry I have no questions :) :-p
[07:01] <Seveas> djp, and that is absolutely NOT neccessary
[07:01] <HappyFool> busy ;)
[07:02] <Danar> FirstLite, i want to get rid of my fat32 partition by putting the data on hdb4. i already moved as much as i could to hdb4, and now i need to shrink hdb1 in order to enlarge hdb4 to fit more
[07:02] <unreal> Danar: is there a file listing all the blacklisted modules?
[07:02] <scott_> masahiro, I'm having the same problem. SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum.
[07:02] <Heimdall> hehe
[07:02] <Andlinux21> maswan: you on a lappy?
[07:02] <narch> bah!
[07:02] <masahiro> scott_ I am onboard.
[07:02] <scott_> masahiro, nothing but a soothing hum from the speakers.
[07:02] <djp> Seveas: sure. that's what i was thinking... i couldn't understand why it was necessary. ok. thanks for the response.
[07:02] <scott_> ahh
[07:02] <narch> thought i had my IPv6 tunnel coming up properly, but no, not quite :/
[07:02] <Andlinux21> masahiro: you on a laptop
[07:02] <scott_> I don't want to revert back to windows, but there are a number of issues with this that are pissing me off.
[07:03] <Anon3217> what about drivers. what if my hardware doesn't have linux drivers. what can i do about that?
[07:03] <Danar> unreal, yeah...
[07:03] <djp> Anon3217: why not try out the livecd first
[07:03] <zyth> scott, you see the nice little speaker icon up next to your clock?
[07:03] <scott_> No sound, 3 monitor multihead setup not working, network not working, loss of Photoshop
[07:03] <scott_> Yep
[07:03] <wouterl> Anon3217: most drivers are supported, i wouldn't worry about that ...
[07:03] <mae> Anon3217: write your own drivers by reverse engineering :)
[07:03] <Anon3217> i have. i am currently emulating it on vmware and i like it
[07:03] <masahiro> on a pc
[07:03] <masahiro> its onboard
[07:03] <flodine> is there a command to uninstall kubuntu
[07:03] <Danar> unreal, in /etc/modules or something
[07:04] <Anon3217> mae: who do you make your own drivers?
[07:04] <pinoyphp> ubuntu-ph?
[07:04] <Wimpie> mplayer-586 is not in repository ?
[07:04] <Danar> Wimpie, it is..
[07:04] <zyth> scott_, ok, so right click the speaker icon
[07:04] <Danar> try universe
[07:04] <Seinnura> helo
[07:04] <scott_> zyth, the problem is, that the speakers are giving me the hum that I get when the pc is shut off .With windows I had the problem, but it went away when the drivers were loaded.
[07:04] <Danar> or multiverse
[07:04] <narch> danar, multiverse, i think
[07:04] <scott_> zyth, ok
[07:04] <Seinnura> any idea why i can't access dos floppy with long filename?
[07:04] <zyth> scott_, select 'open volume control'
[07:04] <Anon3217> hwo do you make your own drivers?
[07:05] <scott_> zyth, ok
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to install a tar.gz file?
[07:05] <narch> altho i've never gotten AC3 playback working with the mplayer in multiverse :/
[07:05] <Danar> Anon3217, very carefully :p
[07:05] <zyth> scott_, what's the window say at the top (mine says 'Soundblaster LIVE! Alsa)
[07:05] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you don't. you expand that file
[07:05] <narch> altho it may well be an alsa config issue
[07:05] <Seinnura> anyway i've force it with -t vfat
[07:05] <scott_> zyth, Sound Blaster Audigy2(Alsa Mixer)
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so it's like a .zip file?
[07:05] <Danar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, .tar.gz is a compressed/zipped file
[07:05] <Anon3217> danar: ha ha. what about hardware that doesn't have linux drivers for it?
[07:05] <green-> okay.. had some good breakfast.. now back to DVD playing.. anyone doing this successfully under ubuntu/linux in general?
[07:06] <masahiro> i dont get any sound at all
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok cool
[07:06] <narch> green, using xine, yes
[07:06] <zyth> scott_, ok, and on playback and capture, all the volumes are set to non-mute levels?
[07:06] <u19809> danar : is thdeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras main universe multiverse
[07:06] <u19809> restricted
[07:06] <u19809> is repo not ok ?
[07:06] <Danar> Anon3217, first you'd have to learn programming. drivers require low level programming and is for more advanced programmers...
[07:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: tar.gz, tar.bz2, tbz, tgz, zip, rar, ace, amd more i'm sure i'm missing are compressed files
[07:06] <scorpix> what i need to install to see quicktime movies in firefox?
[07:06] <rc51woody> nalioth: i swear i went through the java directions 3 times
[07:06] <green-> narch: available via apt?
[07:06] <rc51woody> and still its not working
[07:06] <narch> green, i even do DVD editing under ubuntu (actually, kubuntu)
[07:06] <Anon3217> danar: i can't program though
[07:06] <Seveas> scorpix: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:06] <FirstLite> Danar: OK.  If you put everything back on hdb1, then delete hdb4 and make it "extended" (hdb5), you'll be able to make more extended partitions.  I don't see how you're going to be able to shrink hdb1, though ... I assume it's the biggest partition?  Any free space on hda/hdc?
[07:06] <xry> how do i add screenresolutions? I added three when installing, i need bigger ones..
[07:06] <scott_> zyth, yes, everything is full volume and there were a few mute icons a while ago but I unchecked em before joining irc.
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok thats a great explanation
[07:06] <narch> green, yeah, via apt
[07:07] <Danar> u19809, that doesn't look official...
[07:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx you
[07:07] <Seveas> xry: GNULinuxer: To find out ho you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:07] <masahiro> ANYBODY WANNA help a really fustrated noob?
[07:07] <green-> narch: i prefer gnome over kde, is there anything that the kde env offers that gnome doesn't that's significant?
[07:07] <nalioth> rc51woody: i've installed several machines using them, and not had a problem.
[07:07] <Seveas> masahiro, why don't you try the mailing list?
[07:07] <zyth> scott_, we'll go for the overkill, select edit, preferences, and check the rest of the 'tracks to be visible'
[07:07] <u19809> danar : it is on the wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats page ?
[07:07] <Danar> Anon3217, even if you could i wouldn't recommend you making drivers unless you know what you're doing. and even if you could, it's not something that would happen over night
[07:07] <scott_> zyth, ok, give me a mnute
[07:07] <rc51woody> nalioth: would you have  a few minutes to trouble shoot mine?
[07:07] <masahiro> seveas: mailing list?
[07:07] <Seveas> masahiro<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:08] <Anon3217> danar: so what do i do? i want to use ubuntu but I cant find drivers.
[07:08] <masahiro> what do i do? email them?
[07:08] <Seveas> Anon3217, which pieco of hardware>
[07:08] <masahiro> ive posted n the forums
[07:08] <Danar> u19809, well i guess it's not in there. it's in the official one though. use synaptic, and go to add repository > custom, and check multiverse
[07:08] <Seveas> masahiro, subscribe to that list at lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo and mail your question to that list
[07:08] <u19809> has synaptic a KDE version ?
[07:08] <Seveas> the smart people aren't in the forums, they're on the list
[07:09] <Anon3217> an ATI Radeon 9800PRO Agp, a Creative Audigy 2 Z5 Platinum, and an external sony cd
[07:09] <masahiro> well ive posted in the forum
[07:09] <narch> green, i just prefer KDE, personal preferance :)
[07:09] <Seveas> u19809, there's kpackagemanager and kynaptic
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to force ubuntu to clean it's self up?
[07:09] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, clean up?
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea after so many boots it automaticly cleans it's self up
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think the default is 33 boots
[07:10] <HappyFool> maybe he means fsck
[07:10] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, ah fsck you mean
[07:10] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that's no cleanup
[07:10] <Anon3217> seveas: an ATI Radeon 9800PRO Agp, a Creative Audigy 2 Z5 Platinum, and an external sony cd
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> fsck?
[07:10] <Seveas> just a sanity check
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[07:10] <Danar> FirstLite, hda is a hard drive i haven't touched in months because it has a corrupt partition table, with data on it i'd like to recover some day. hdb1 is about 2x the size of hdb4
[07:10] <Seveas> for the ati: there's a driver in linux-restricted-modules
[07:10] <Danar> FirstLite, hdc is the cd/dvd drive
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought it went through and removed al the crap ya don't need lol
[07:10] <masahiro> im going to reformat and install windows soon and forget about linsux
[07:10] <Seveas> for the audigy: search the forum
[07:11] <Seveas> for the sony: no idea, ask on the mailing list
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> HEY LINUX ROCKS!!!
[07:11] <masahiro> if you dont like sound then it does
[07:11] <Danar> u19809, yeah
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but go ahead if ya like viruses, spyware, adaware
[07:11] <masahiro> but if your pc is your tv, stereo, and the like, it sux
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> worms, trojans
[07:11] <Seveas> masahiro, stop annoying people...
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no you jst have to teach it to do what ya want
[07:11] <masahiro> dont forget the numerous problems and security holes
[07:12] <HappyFool> masahiro: that is a perfectly valid thing to do if you do not have time to resolve your sound issues
[07:12] <masahiro> well it dosent want to do what i want it to do
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in linux yea right
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and yu have to make it do what you want
[07:12] <djp> is anyone aware of a way to configure printer output settings like page width, length etc, using the default setup under hoary?
[07:12] <Seveas> masahiro, please cool down a bit, ask your sound question at the mailing list and return then...
[07:13] <Seveas> djp, system->administration->printing
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought linux at first was a waste of time
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then i got to know it
[07:13] <narch> djp, isn't that going to be a case of configuring CUPS ?
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i woulden't trade it for the world
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[07:13] <djp> Seveas: thanks
[07:13] <narch> church, i wont detail my history with linux, except to say its been a rollercoaster :P
[07:13] <XandriX> um should i put it in ext3 or reiserfs ?
[07:13] <Danar> linux has many advantages over other OSes, but it does have a few disadvantages as well. mainly difficulties for new users
[07:14] <nalioth> narch: you know it's been nothing but fun
[07:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i bet
[07:14] <Anon3217> for the ubuntu shipit, do you get just an install cd or both live and install cd?
[07:14] <HappyFool> XandriX: i'd stick with the default, ext3
[07:14] <narch> the most humourous part of my linux history, was how i got started
[07:14] <aaron> narch: i think everyone's first encounter with *nix has been a rollercoaster :)
[07:14] <Seveas> Anon3217, both
[07:14] <daniel^> many difficulties for addicted gamers
[07:14] <narch> i was about to buy BSD
[07:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it is dificult to use at first but if you stick with it it becomes easyer
[07:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> after a while
[07:14] <narch> and the guy running the company told me 'try linux first, BSD is a bit pricey for a student'
[07:14] <abbot45> how do i check what my network IP is?
[07:14] <XandriX> HappyFool, im useto reiser in slack but ill go wiht what you say cuz reiser trips out on that machine lol
[07:14] <Danar> i'm on the livecd now, which i didn't know i was gonna get :p
[07:14] <djp> narch: possibly... under ubuntu everything is very much print and go. i only want to tweak things slightly. i had an awful experience using debian 3.1 with printing setup. there were other issues mind  but i won't bother going into them here...
[07:14] <khermans> My GDM theme is broken, and I cannot log in -- how do i change back to default Human theme?
[07:14] <netool> Hi, I am having a little problem : I have installed Ubuntu and it works fine, execpt the sound. The only sound it produces is the bleeps at startup.
[07:14] <nalioth> Anon3217: you get a really nicely pkgd install and live cd
[07:14] <Seveas> abbot45, ifconfig
[07:14] <narch> this was when linux was at v0.13
[07:14] <scott_> zyth, everything checked, unmuted, and cranked up. No change in sound.
[07:14] <abbot45> Seveas, thanks
[07:15] <Danar> abbot45, for your external ip, try www.whatismyip.com
[07:15] <zyth> scott_, ok, go to System, Preferences, Sound
[07:15] <aaron> khermans: how is your gdm broken?
[07:15] <Danar> for your internal ip, what Seveas said
[07:15] <narch> back then, a 'typical linux distro' was 2 floppies :P
[07:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---gonna buy an aleinware pc with ubuntu on it ^_^
[07:15] <FirstLite> Danar: OK.  To further complicate things, the parted documentation (http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_mono/parted.html  see "2.4.13 resize") says that parted doesn't need to defrag a fat32 partition to resize it.  (NTFS does need defragging, IIRC.)  So I don't know why resizing hdb1 doesn't work ...
[07:15] <khermans> aaron: it will not allow me to input my user and pass
[07:15] <u19809> danar : just reinstalled synaptic (kynaptic is no as functional)
[07:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> seems they offer that distro now
[07:15] <zyth> scott_, er sorry 'Multimedia Systems Selector'
[07:15] <u19809> danar : but cannot find add repo-> multiverse
[07:15] <abbot45> Danar, i already have that one.
[07:15] <Danar> u19809, synaptic works in kde too
[07:15] <aaron> can you get to a terminal?
[07:15] <khermans> aaron: i tried to change to the Bluecurve theme -- but the files are not really there
[07:16] <Danar> abbot45, now you know how to get both
[07:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[07:16] <abbot45> Danar, thanks
[07:16] <scott_> zyth, ok, both are on ESD
[07:16] <u19809> danar : I have installed it but still cannot find the add ->
[07:16] <Danar> FirstLite, strange.. :(
[07:16] <zyth> scott_, change em both to ALSA
[07:16] <zyth> scott_, then hit test
[07:16] <scott_> zyth, no test sound on either
[07:17] <zyth> weirddd...
[07:17] <aaron> khermans: try apt-get --reinstall install gdm
[07:17] <Danar> u19809, Settings > repositories > add > custom
[07:17] <aaron> with sudo of course
[07:17] <netool> So how can I get sound to work? I can't access volume control either: It gives me the error: No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[07:17] <zyth> scott_, I am somewhat stumped :/  The card is obviously detected and present.
[07:17] <scott_> zyth, yeah. I never had issues with any other distros
[07:18] <u19809> danar : donno what version you have but my synaptic has no repositories->add.
[07:18] <zyth> scott_, you made sure line out is plugged into the right jack, yes? May sound silly, but it could cause problems, but be corrected in software.
[07:18] <RobNyc-aWay> HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL DADDYS LOL ...
[07:18] <u19809> danar : only repo-> new but that has no custom ???
[07:18] <hondje> RobNyc-aWay: thanks, man
[07:18] <netool> So how can I get sound to work? I can't access volume control either: It gives me the error: No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[07:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do think that the other companys should make there free programs availible in source for linux
[07:18] <Danar> no custom
[07:18] <green-> narch: tried to run gxine and got an X error... (insufficient resources for operation).. any idea what might cause this?
[07:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mean there free anyway right?
[07:18] <scott_> zyth, it is. I haven't changed anything since I went from windows to linux except the OS
[07:18] <Danar> u19809, forget 'custom' just check multiverse at that point
[07:18] <zyth> scott_, hm k.
[07:18] <Danar> then you reload the package info and it should be listed
[07:19] <kcburyshaker> i have a question    i downloaded celestia from synaptic.....and now i cant find it in any menu   how do i run it
[07:19] <narch> green, no idea, unless your X driver doesn't have xv or something
[07:19] <zyth> scott_, try giving it a reboot, see if alsa says anything on boot.
[07:19] <XandriX> HappyFool, so far no freeze
[07:19] <scott_> ok
[07:19] <XandriX> gonna go watch tv
[07:19] <u19809> danar : I have no 'checkable' anything.  Just an edit field with section
[07:19] <khermans> aaron: that did not work -- the Bluecurve theme is stil set
[07:19] <netool> Anybody :)
[07:19] <khermans> aaron: what file is GDM theme changes updating?
[07:19] <u19809> should I type in multiverse there ? and for which URI ? all ?
[07:19] <Danar> u19809, you're in custom, aren't you? :p
[07:19] <green-> probably should upgrade to a newer driver.. this is the stock nv driver
[07:20] <u19809> danar : either I am blind but settings->repository has not 'custom'anything
[07:20] <Seveas> green-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:20] <Danar> u19809, click settings menu, click repositories, click 'add' button, check 'multiverse'
[07:20] <green-> is it effective to apt-get the nvidia drivers, or better to manually install?
[07:20] <Seveas> u19809, are you on hoary or warty?
[07:20] <u19809> danas : hoary
[07:20] <narch> yeah, i'd suggest using the nvidia driver, unless you're a die-hard 'NO polluting my kernel' user, in which case, live without video playback :P
[07:20] <u19809> seveas : hoary
[07:20] <Seveas> green-, read the page at the url i typed :)
[07:20] <kangpeh> too long you've wandered in winter
[07:20] <Danar> u19809, then click ok
[07:20] <kangpeh> far from my far reachin gaze
[07:21] <green-> heh doing such now, thanks
[07:21] <aaron> khermans: not sure. so did you install a different display manager then?  i didn't know there was a bluecurve display manager.
[07:21] <u19809> my version of synaptic is 0.56 and i have not add button and no checkable custom on the
[07:21] <kangpeh> Young green-, you can always create your own .deb ;)
[07:21] <u19809> repository dialog
[07:21] <netool> I am going to be completley bald soon!
[07:21] <Seveas> u19809, you can also manually edit the sources file using sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:22] <Seveas> u19809: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:22] <khermans> aaron: there is not
[07:22] <Danar> mine's 0.56 too
[07:22] <khermans> aaron: i installed the Bluecurve theme from an RPM
[07:22] <aaron> khermans: and it broke your gdm?
[07:23] <nalioth> khermans: aaron bluecurve rocks
[07:23] <skalle1> anyone know how to fix this: (evolution-2.2:22754): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:23] <skalle1> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:23] <skalle1> es menu class init
[07:23] <aaron> khermans: are you running warty or hoary?
[07:23] <khermans> aaron: however, do you think you could change your GDM theme for me, close the window, and then do a "grep -Ri newthemename /etc"
[07:23] <Danar> what's /dev/mapper/* ?
[07:23] <khermans> aaron: hoary
[07:24] <dacrepair> also is there basic stamp software
[07:24] <HappyFool> dacrepair: what is stamp software?
[07:24] <green-> narch: is there more i need to do to get DVD to play other than installing gxine? I get the same error w/ gxine I get w/ totem (error reading from DVD)... is it a codec issue?
[07:24] <Echylo> software with a stamp on it
[07:24] <Heimdall> viva linuuuuuuuuuuuuuux : ftp://mirror.linuxsoft.cz/wallpapers/264/orig00000143.jpg
[07:24] <dacrepair> its a language called "basic stamp"
[07:24] <zyth> green-, you need to install libdvdcss
[07:25] <khermans> aaron: GDM told me that the Bluecurve theme was messed up. certain files were missing, etc -- and switched to another theme but i cannot log in
[07:25] <dacrepair> its used on pic's
[07:25] <narch> green, you might need libdvdread
[07:25] <nalioth> green-: read what ubotu says
[07:25] <khermans> aaron: the input box for user will not allow me to type in it
[07:25] <narch> or libdvdcss
[07:25] <nalioth> !Restricted
[07:25] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:25] <HappyFool> dacrepair: hmm. is it a proprietary language ?
[07:25] <dacrepair> no
[07:26] <Danar> Heimdall, estella warren :)
[07:26] <khermans> Cany anyone tell me what file the GDM theme changes?
[07:26] <dacrepair> its used to program PIC's
[07:26] <Echylo> Heimdall, that wallpaper looks weird, like her head is put on it
[07:26] <green-> hmmm apt says libdvdcss is only available as part of another package.. weird.
[07:26] <Heimdall> Danar : actually I don't know her ;)
[07:26] <Danar> Heimdall, google her
[07:26] <aaron> khermans: not exactly sure. bluecurve is a gnome theme, so if you are using the GDM and not KDM, i don't know why it would break your login manager, even with files missing.
[07:26] <Danar> there's better pics of her
[07:26] <green-> ah maybe via the hoary extras
[07:26] <HappyFool> dacrepair: propietary means non-free, controlled by a company
[07:26] <wouterl> if I put a new ethernet card in my pc, will ubuntu create /dev/eth0 automaticly?
[07:26] <khermans> I need to reset back to the default human theme!
[07:27] <dacrepair> i know
[07:27] <Danar> including the unmodified version
[07:27] <Heimdall> Danar : I think... no matter :)
[07:27] <HappyFool> dacrepair: anyway, using synaptic's function, i can't find any obvious matches
[07:27] <khermans> aaron: could you please just update you GDM theme real quick to let me know hat file it changes?
[07:27] <khermans> aaron: that wil give me an idea
[07:27] <scott_> zyth, nope. Nothing.
[07:27] <sens> If I've just downloaded an Icon pack as a .tar.gz how would I go about installing them?
[07:27] <u19809> seveas : thanx ... any explanation on different between uni/multiverse ?
[07:28] <zyth> scott_, :(
[07:28] <dacrepair> HappyFool: do you know what PIC microcontrollers are?
[07:28] <HappyFool> dacrepair: what's PIC again? programmable integrated circuit?
[07:28] <Seveas> sens, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[07:28] <HappyFool> dacrepair: i should, but i've forgotten
[07:28] <sens> seveas: thanks man
[07:28] <Seveas> u19809, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[07:28] <dacrepair> HappyFool:programmable interupt controller
[07:28] <scott_> zyth, I even went into the packet manager and got anything alsa related.
[07:28] <Danar> Heimdall, here's that pic: http://www.superiorpics.com/estella_warren/images/estella003.jpg
[07:28] <zyth> scott_, unfortunately, I'm at the end of my knowledge on the subject.  Perhaps someone else might know more :( I'm sorry
[07:28] <amonkey> what package do i need to compile something that needs glib?
[07:28] <scott_> Well, thanks for trying!
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> IS IT normal for the encoding of a dvd to take 16 hours?
[07:29] <selleckus> suspend the computer or do I need to load modules for something
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> on a p4 3.2ghz with 1gb ram?
[07:29] <dacrepair> HappyFool: some yse a system called "basic Stamp" instead of "c"
[07:29] <narch> broken, no
[07:29] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, if you didn't install linux-686: yes
[07:30] <dacrepair> HappyFool: you may have heard of PBasic
[07:30] <scott_> zyth, when the pc is booting up and all the processes are running through, the 'hum' cuts out and sounds like it's going to work when 'Starting Hotplug Subsystems' shows. Then when 'Setting up Alsa' shows the hum comes back.
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> Linux BROKENLADDER 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Jun 7 09:00:32 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:30] <HappyFool> dacrepair: google revealed this: http://www.parallax.com/html_pages/downloads/software/software_basic_stamp.asp
[07:30] <zyth> scott_, yeah, unfortunately, I couldn't tell you why, I am stumped
[07:30] <wouterl> small question: if I put a new ethernet card in my pc, will ubuntu create /dev/eth0 automaticly?
[07:31] <HappyFool> dacrepair: i'm not sure if any of those are available in ubuntu's repositories; if not, you'll have to download and install from source
[07:31] <Seveas> wouterl, yes, or /dev/eth1 if it's the second card..
[07:31] <green-> bah, installed libdvdcss2 and still got dvd read error
[07:31] <scott_> zyth, oh well. Thanks a lot for trying.
[07:31] <Heimdall> hehe Danar
[07:32] <FirstLite> Danar: If 'mount' and 'swapon -s' don't show any active use of hdb, and it still doesn't work, you might try parted on the Knoppix LiveCD or something.  Or getting a tape drive :)  I gotta run, good luck :) ...
[07:32] <zyth> scott_, np, I hope someone can help you
[07:32] <Danar> FirstLite, thx. later
[07:32] <wouterl> Seveas: so if he doesn't do it, it's because he can't recognize it?
[07:32] <jeroen_> Is there any general advice on what to do when your Thunderbird profile has gone bad?
[07:32] <Seveas> wouterl, most likely
[07:33] <aaron> kherman: try this- sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:33] <aaron> kherman: it doesn't tell you what files are updated.
[07:33] <dacrepair> HappyFool:not avalible for Apt-get rop.
[07:34] <dacrepair> HappyFool:*rEp
[07:34] <HappyFool> dacrepair: it looks that way
[07:34] <HappyFool> dacrepair: i see there is some microchip related software in the repositories
[07:35] <skalle1> amonkey, something like libglib1.2-dev
[07:35] <HappyFool> dacrepair: picasm, picp and simulpic, for example
[07:35] <dacrepair> HappyFool: really, i'll have to look into that
[07:35] <Seveas> dacrepair, and gpsim
[07:35] <jeroen_> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium
[07:35] <dacrepair> HappyFool: what did you search?
[07:36] <HappyFool> dacrepair: i did a search for 'PIC' in 'names and description' (this is using synaptic)
[07:36] <Seveas> dacrepair, apt-cache search pic (shows a hell of a lot irrelevant things too though..)
[07:36] <HappyFool> yah
[07:36] <Danar> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # swapoff -av
[07:36] <Danar> swapoff on /dev/hdb3
[07:36] <dacrepair> Happyfool: thanks
[07:36] <Danar> does that mean swap is being used?
[07:36] <lukus001> I'm trying to install chroot... and i'm at the stage where it's asking for my locales.... which one do i use /find out?
[07:36] <green-> okay, this dvd is working, but is slow as piss
[07:36] <scott_> zyth, I got it working by plugging into the onboard sound, enabling it in bios, but... isn't that kinda bullshit? Shouldn't I be able to use the Audigy?
[07:37] <HappyFool> Danar: i think it means it not being used anymore ;)
[07:37] <kangpeh> ARRGH
[07:37] <kangpeh> I can't play .MIDI files
[07:37] <kangpeh> lolol
[07:37] <Seveas> kangpeh, install timidity then...
[07:37] <Danar> HappyFool, but mount output isn't changing
[07:37] <jeroen_> Is there any general advice on what to do when your Thunderbird profile has gone bad?
[07:37] <Danar> jeroen_, make a new one?
[07:37] <lukus001> Can somone help me find out what my 'locales' is
[07:38] <HappyFool> Danar: i don't see swap listed in my mount output, and afaik it's enabled
[07:38] <aaron> khermans: any luck?
[07:38] <Seveas> lukus001, in a terminal type: locale
[07:38] <HappyFool> Danar: or so 'free' says, anyway
[07:38] <skalle1> is there an ubuntu developers IRC channel?
[07:38] <adnans> #ubuntu-dev ?
[07:38] <Seveas> skalle1, ubuntu-devel
[07:38] <lukus001> Seveas: thanks once again
[07:38] <green-> is hdparm used to turn on dma on a dvd drive?
[07:38] <Seveas> green-, yes
[07:38] <sens> Can anyone help me install cadega, I essentially need a step by step guide as I'm a newb
[07:39] <dacrepair> HapyFool: one mor thing, i know how to configure eternet cards but i have airsnort and a prizm card but not installed yet (hardware wise, not physically plugged into pci slot) but i want to know will i need to do any extra config or tell linux that i have a wireless card installed
[07:39] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/your_dvd_drive enables dma
[07:39] <HappyFool> dacrepair: sorry, not a clue
[07:39] <Seveas> dacrepair, prisms generally install without a glitch
[07:39] <HappyFool> dacrepair: no wireless here
[07:39] <jeroen_> Danar, If I do that, how do I convert my mail and settings to the new one?
[07:40] <narch> my orinocos all work without telling the kernel anything, at least, on sane distros, i gave up on slackware because of wlan stuff :P
[07:40] <dacrepair> HappyFool: so it will detect my card on startup?
[07:40] <Danar> hrm, i'm also getting an error in qtparted. also generic and unspecified
[07:40] <Danar> :(
[07:40] <HappyFool> dacrepair: um, ask Seveas
[07:40] <HappyFool> ;)
[07:40] <dacrepair> k
[07:40] <Seveas> dacrepair, most likely it will
[07:40] <dacrepair> k thanks
[07:40] <Danar> jeroen_, you'd do better asking in #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org
[07:40] <green-> ah much smoother... now, if only i could get sound working :)
[07:40] <dacrepair> well, i'm gonna reboot an install
[07:41] <dacrepair> if i need help, i know where to look
[07:41] <Seveas> green-, sound in what?
[07:41] <dacrepair> thank you
[07:41] <HappyFool> good luck
[07:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a segmentation fault
[07:41] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that means a program is oopsing
[07:41] <green-> saveas: guess my sound isn't setup yet.. haven't tested it yet.. but the DVD is playing w/o sound...
[07:41] <green-> man dvd looks pixelated.. i guess that's just because its so much coarser res than the screen
[07:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok because my grapevine program is giving me a segmentation fault
[07:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i told it to use the wrong dir
[07:42] <HappyFool> green-: step back from the monitor ;)
[07:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and now it crashes
[07:43] <Danar> anyone know if i can defrag a partition if i boot from a win98 setup cd?
[07:43] <green-> happy: yeah :) .. looks pretty damned good.. okay.. now sound and we're all set :) then i just have to get my LEDs working
[07:43] <Danar> i doubt it... :/
[07:43] <Seveas> Danar, that's not possible, you need to boot into a real windows system
[07:43] <aaron> Danar: no, you can't.  it is a windows utility
[07:43] <aty> anybody here that was able to config wireless on there system?
[07:44] <Danar> aaron, yeah, hence booting from a win98 cd :p
[07:44] <Seveas> aty, quite a few people actually :)
[07:44] <aty> great
[07:44] <aaron> Danar: i meant it needs to be installed on a windows partition.
[07:44] <narch> i have wireless configured on my laptop, but its a knoppix install, no *ubuntu
[07:45] <narch> s/no/not/
[07:45] <Danar> aaron, oh. so i couldn't even run it with wine or anything?
[07:45] <tweakism_> wireless works fine under ubuntu for me, w/ an intel centrino using ipw2200 drivers.
[07:45] <aty> i was wondering if you had any links to sites with tutorials, i have a netgear wag511, which is an atheros chipset
[07:45] <Danar> why does linux not have a defrag utility for fat32???
[07:45] <aaron> Danar: not that i am aware of.
[07:45] <Seveas> aty, atheros should work out of the box
[07:45] <HappyFool> Danar: hmm. could it be that fat32 is not a native linux filesystem? ;)
[07:45] <narch> aty, in my case, i just inserted the card and configured WEP in /etc/network/interfaces, and that was it
[07:45] <aty> excellent
[07:46] <aty> thank you very much
[07:46] <jamey3> Danar, why don't you convert from FAT32. It's age-old.
[07:46] <green-> great.. going to have to build alsa manually. meh.
[07:46] <Danar> HappyFool, so? it supports it. (can read/write to it)
[07:46] <narch> my cards are all orinoco tho...
[07:46] <aaron> Danar: linux defrags automatially. it isn't something you start up, like in windows.
[07:46] <aty> well if it works out the box then it shouldent really be a problem
[07:46] <Danar> jamey3, i want to delete it, after removing the data. in order to do so i need to resize it. apparently i can't do so until i defrag it
[07:46] <jamey3> aaron, but I doubt it does anything to FAT32 partitions
[07:47] <jamey3> Danar: ah I see. Sorry I don't know
[07:47] <XandriX-> is there a stock kernel for pentium 2 in ubuntu
[07:47] <jamey3> have you searched for "defrag" in packages
[07:47] <aaron> jamey3: correct. if linux isn't installed on a fat32 partition....
[07:47] <Danar> yeah
[07:47] <u19809> anybody knows where transcode package is ?
[07:47] <tweakism_> Danar: I'm pretty sure there are linux defrag tools available for fat32.
[07:47] <XandriX-> there are i jsut forgot the name
[07:48] <Seveas> u19809, not in standard ubuntu repositories
[07:48] <Danar> tweakism_, i'd appreciate it if you could point one out...
[07:48] <aaron> Danar: so is your linux system installed on a fat32 partition, or is it another partition altogether?
[07:48] <Seveas> hoary-extras on backports has it though..
[07:48] <tweakism_> Danar: Looking now.
[07:48] <Danar> aaron, on an ext3 partition
[07:48] <hondje> anyone know if a newer version of evolution is in backports?
[07:48] <Seveas> hondje, there is none
[07:48] <hondje> bummer
[07:49] <XandriX-> Seveas: um im guessing a stock kerel is available for pentium 2 in ubuntu right ?
[07:49] <Danar> i'm trying to get rid of this fat32 partition though. but i want to keep the data, so i'm trying to move it to another partition, which is half the size. both are nearly full
[07:49] <aaron> Danar: I don't know of any linux defrag utilities personally. i'm sure goolgling around a bit will turn something up
[07:49] <Seveas> XandriX, sure
[07:49] <Seveas> use the standard kernel
[07:49] <Seveas> linux-386 package
[07:49] <XandriX-> Seveas: i forgot howto list packages with dpkg
[07:49] <Seveas> dpkg -l
[07:49] <jeroen_> Danar, Gparted can convert filesystems, do you mean that?
[07:50] <Seveas> (for installed packages)
[07:50] <Danar> jeroen_, it won't covert it without destroying the data
[07:50] <aaron> Danar: mount your fat32 partition in your linux partition and back up the data. then use a linux install cd to format the fat32 as ext3
[07:50] <Danar> aaron, how do you propose i back up ~200Gb of data? :p
[07:50] <XandriX-> Seveas: thankyou and um in worst case i know how to compile my own kernel so ill do so Seveas what about available packages how do you list those ?
[07:50] <tweakism_> use a linux install cd?  you can format the partition right from your running linux system.
[07:50] <u19809> seveas : transcode in backports depends on libgcc1 <IP_ADDRESS>-7 which is missing ... ?
[07:50] <aaron> Danar: very carefully.  :D
[07:50] <XandriX-> Danar: dar and kdar
[07:50] <Danar> that's why i need to move it from one partition to another
[07:50] <Seveas> XandriX, use synaptic :)
[07:51] <Danar> XandriX, ?
[07:51] <Seveas> or apt-cache search
[07:51] <swarm> I've tried to build last fglrx module from ATI with kernel 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8-smp and it's broken
[07:51] <XandriX-> Seveas: thankyou once again
[07:51] <Seveas> u19809, that one is in hoary-backports
[07:51] <XandriX-> ubotu: lol nice nicknmae very inspired from this distro am i right ?
[07:51] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, XandriX-
[07:51] <Danar> this would be simple if i could simply keep resizing the partitions, but it won't let me, and won't even tell me why
[07:52] <bleh321> i am trying to install ubuntu in a Vmware partition and the installation says i have no ahrd drives attached ?
[07:52] <XandriX-> ubotu: hehe
[07:52] <ubotu> XandriX-: I don't know
[07:52] <u19809> seveas : it claims to find only version 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7
[07:52] <tweakism_> ubotu: botsnack
[07:52] <ubotu> thanks tweakism_ :)
[07:52] <tweakism_> yep.
[07:52] <XandriX-> bleh321: hehe bad configuration
[07:52] <bleh321> bad configuration in vmware ?
[07:52] <aaron> Danar: i think you can only resize partitions that are the same file system, but i'm not 100% sure. :/
[07:52] <XandriX-> yeah did you create an ide harddrive in vmware ?
[07:53] <Danar> aaron, that doesn't make sense.
[07:53] <bleh321> no scsi
[07:53] <XandriX-> bleh321: u should have made it ide its not recomended for nothing
[07:53] <Lafitte-> what is best choice for movie player in Ubuntu ??
[07:53] <mats> was i universal or univers or else what was it I needed to get in the apt-source list?
[07:54] <XandriX-> Lafitte-: gmplayer
[07:54] <Lafitte-> xine and totem are laggy
[07:54] <Danar> prolly xine or mplayer...
[07:54] <Lafitte-> XandriX,  ill ge tit now
[07:54] <Seveas> ooh, freud loves you Lafitte- :)
[07:54] <SirGir> Lafitte-, I use VLC
[07:54] <XandriX-> Lafitte-: have fun hehe
[07:54] <Danar> Lafitte-, there's a section on the xine site about speeding it up if needed
[07:54] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  ???
[07:54] <green-> any chance anyone else is running Ubuntu on an asus z71v?
[07:54] <Seveas> Lafitte-, nvm
[07:54] <Lafitte-> Danar,  ok  ill lool
[07:54] <aaron> Danar: if you have two filesystems of the same fs (ext3), then resizing is easy.  I don't think you can resize a fat32 fs if the rest of the disk is ext3
[07:55] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  thats not fair  hehe
[07:55] <bleh321> ok , vmware 5 doesnt give me an option to have an ide hard drive
[07:55] <XandriX-> bleh321: um yes it does if i can make it and i have latest vmware
[07:55] <mats> does anyone know what i need to put in my apt-source list to get the newest packagets?
[07:56] <XandriX-> bleh321: its when u creat a virtual machine
[07:56] <Bramme> mats, see ubuntuguide.org
[07:56] <Danar> aaron, i'm trying to shrink hdb1 (fat32) so i can expand hdb4 (ext2) and put more data from hdb1 on it, until i can remove hdb1
[07:56] <HappyFool> mats: you can use synaptic to add repositories. no need to edit text files
[07:56] <green-> umm.. why is the kernel-source package for 2.4.27 when ubuntu is 2.6.10-5?
[07:56] <Seveas> green-, because you need linux-source...
[07:56] <XandriX-> green-: some prefer 2.4 for servers and such
[07:56] <mats> Bramme: thanks ;)
[07:57] <aaron> Danar: can you back up your 200GB to a network drive, or FTP?
[07:57] <Seveas> kernel-* packages are from debian, on ubuntu they're all called linux-something..
[07:57] <Danar> aaron, not a chance
[07:57] <bionic> Can anyone tell me why i get no results when it refreshes on this site, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mx/AMAflashresults.html , flash works fine on other items. (this works fine in IE on my brothers laptop too). Thanks.?
[07:57] <bleh321> i just dont see any such option, could you tell me were it is ?  all vmware says is "scsi disks"
[07:57] <Danar> aaron, only have one functional computer
[07:57] <XandriX-> bionic: what broswer do you use to see it ?
[07:57] <aaron> Danar, why do you want to convert the fat32?
[07:57] <green-> Seveas: seems like it's still a bit different.. 2.6.10-34.2  instead of -5
[07:58] <green-> safe to use that 34.2 pkg though?
[07:58] <bionic> XandriX, mozilla firefox
[07:58] <Danar> aaron, cause it's evil & inefficient, etc.
[07:58] <XandriX-> bleh when u make a virtual machine when it comes to create drive its ide not scsi
[07:58] <bionic> XandriX, did you get results?
[07:58] <XandriX-> bionic: do you ahve hte flash plugin ?
[07:58] <bionic> XandriX, its all blank here, yeah i have the plugin
[07:58] <XandriX-> bionic: i cant rly chekc atm
[07:58] <aaron> Danar, does it have a windows installation on it?
[07:58] <Seveas> green-, you're missing out on some clue regarding kernel packages ;)
[07:58] <XandriX-> bionic: so you installed the plugin and restarted firefox
[07:58] <Danar> aaron, i'm also trying to get it all on the same partition so i can delete it and make a partition to install ubuntu
[07:58] <Danar> aaron, nope
[07:59] <bionic> XandriX, yup, it loads flash fine, but i get no tekst where there should be the result list. Rightclick and i get the flash menu and everything
[07:59] <aaron> danar, what are you running now?
[07:59] <Bramme> how do i make grub to redetect the installed operating systems like it is done while installing ubuntu ?
[07:59] <Danar> aaron, the livecd
[07:59] <aaron> danar, oh- i see.
[07:59] <XandriX-> bionic: odd
[07:59] <bionic> yeah :\
[08:00] <XandriX-> poor bionic
[08:00] <green-> saveas: how do you figure?
[08:00] <ivanox> anyone tried Firefox 1.1 ?
[08:01] <Danar> it's not out yet
[08:01] <Seveas> green-, linux-source version numbers aren't equal to linux-image version numbers
[08:01] <Amaranth> ivanox: You mean Dear Park Alpha 1?
[08:01] <ivanox> well, I'm talking about the alpha :)
[08:01] <ivanox> Amaranth, yeah
[08:01] <Danar> it's for devs
[08:01] <ivanox> ok :S
[08:01] <Amaranth> yeah, what he said
[08:01] <green-> seveas: well, i'm just wondering what linux source the kernel on hoary is based on.. and which linux source i need to install so i can build packages that require it
[08:01] <Danar> but it'll be an improvement :)
[08:01] <XandriX-> almost done installing on the p2 started 10 minutes ago
[08:01] <Amaranth> none of your extensions or themes will work with it
[08:02] <Danar> svg support & all
[08:02] <HappyFool> green-: linux-headers-386 is probably what you want
[08:02] <Danar> some might
[08:02] <Seveas> green-, the 34.2 linux-source package
[08:02] <Amaranth> green-: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:02] <HappyFool> green-: or -686 or -k7
[08:02] <Amaranth> make sure you use backticks
[08:02] <Seveas> and yeah, for kernel modules linux-headers-$(uname -r) is enough
[08:02] <Danar> extensionsmirr.nl people will tweak 'em & get 'em working
[08:02] <XandriX-> Seveas: apt-get -i dev-essentials fore the development essentials right ?
[08:02] <chrissturm> xandrix: build-essential
[08:02] <Seveas> XandriX, build-essential manpages-dev
[08:03] <XandriX-> a pl
[08:03] <XandriX-> *ok
[08:03] <bleh321> this is weird Vmware is not giving me an option to use an IDE hard drive, although Windows under Vmware is using ide
[08:04] <dacrepair> seveas: ok i installed my wireless card but it was not detected
[08:04] <XandriX-> bleh321: ur not lookign corectly lol if windows is running under ide its czu u have that option when u create a virtual macine and only whenu create one
[08:05] <bleh321> well i can delete the scsi drive and add an ide one after the vmware installation wizard finishes but the wizard adds a scsi drive without asking me when i select "install other linux"
[08:05] <Andlinux21> anyone using openbox as their window manager
[08:05] <dacrepair> seveas: and its a prizm card
[08:05] <Karlos> hmm
[08:05] <Karlos> hmm
[08:06] <Andlinux21> Karlos hmm
[08:06] <XandriX-> hmm
[08:06] <XandriX-> lol
[08:06] <Andlinux21> XandriX how are you
[08:06] <dacrepair> andlinux21:karlos:hmmmm
[08:06] <Andlinux21> dacrepair: lol
[08:07] <dacrepair> does any one know how to configure a wireless card
[08:07] <bleh321> if i select in vmware "install windows" then i get an ide hard drive by default
[08:07] <larsbars> hi! new debian convert here... Q: how make the screen stop locking when i close my laptop's lid?
[08:07] <dacrepair> lol
[08:07] <Danar> why would gparted and qtparted be able to see partitions hdb1-4, but /dev only has /dev/hdb3 (swap) ?
[08:07] <Andlinux21> is there a way to switch window managers without having to reboot i am installing xfce4 and want to switch from gnome
[08:07] <XandriX-> well not anymore lol
[08:08] <Seveas> Andlinux21, just logout...
[08:08] <Seveas> and choose xfce in the login screen
[08:08] <aaron> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[08:08] <Andlinux21> Seveas all my current windows will close correct
[08:08] <Seveas> correct
[08:09] <dacrepair> Does anyone know how to configure a wireless card? its a prizm card
[08:09] <Seveas> dacrepair, isn't it detected at all?
[08:09] <Karlos> dacrepair, see #kanotix
[08:09] <dacrepair> k
[08:09] <Andlinux21> dacrepair: nope I had my nephew do it
[08:09] <XandriX-> dacrepair: um google
[08:09] <dacrepair> i googled already
[08:09] <aaron> dacrepair, ndiswrapper
[08:09] <XandriX-> a ok then sry
[08:09] <dacrepair> k
[08:10] <Danar> something gparted did made partitions hdb1, hdb2 & hdb4 disappear from /dev, but gparted still sees them. what's going on?
[08:10] <XandriX-> uhh stalled at testing network repository ...
[08:11] <XandriX-> ok no it jsut unstalled yay
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> is there a util other than iptables to estimate the average number of outgoing syn connections over a period of time?
[08:12] <lsuactiafner> netstat -s is not very effective for what i want to do
[08:13] <rebar> Anyone not using X86 here?
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> XandriX- : this is a p166 42mb ram
[08:13] <daniel^> hrm, 260
[08:13] <XandriX-> Danar: lets start a p2 club
[08:13] <XandriX-> daniel^: sry you lets start a p2 club
[08:13] <daniel^> :)
[08:13] <nalioth> can anyone recommend a mobo for a dual-AMD64 (with dual-cores) box?
[08:14] <XandriX-> nalioth: asus ones
[08:14] <rebar> nalioth: look on newegg; lots of reviews for that kind of thing
[08:14] <bleh321> one question, can i use one network card under vmware and have it use two diffirent ip adresses assigned by my router, one for ubuntu and one for windows ?  or do i have to make ubuntu wich will be running on vmware access the net through the host computer ?
[08:14] <lsuactiafner> asus rocks
[08:14] <nalioth> XandriX-: do they use nforce chipsets?
[08:14] <aaron> nalioth: ASUS or Microstar
[08:14] <XandriX-> nalioth: only
[08:14] <XandriX-> lsuactiafner: yeah they do
[08:15] <Bramme> Windows XP is on hda5, this is my menu.lst: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=8106 , what's wrong ? i get Error 12 : Wrong device requested ?
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> nforce rocks.. nvidia graphics support is outstandin
[08:15] <XandriX-> yerah
[08:15] <XandriX-> and amd power owns
[08:16] <HappyFool> Bramme: i'm not sure, but i think extended partitions might complicate the numbering
[08:16] <Bramme> HappyFool, how do i solve the problem ?
[08:16] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so why am i hearing all this nforce incompatibility whinin in #ubuntu?
[08:16] <HappyFool> Bramme: hmm, sorry, looks like i'm wrong
[08:16] <Andlinux21> brb I have to logout
[08:16] <Seveas> Bramme, if you're sure it's on /dev/hda5 then nothing is wrong
[08:16] <Bramme> :s
[08:17] <HappyFool> i have /dev/hda6 which is (hd0,5) in my menu.lst
[08:17] <Seveas> Bramme, can you post the output of sudo fdisk -l too
[08:17] <Bramme> there must be something wrong, i can't boot :p
[08:17] <fabio> ciao
[08:17] <Bramme> Seveas, no output
[08:17] <rebar> Anyone here running Ubuntu on PPC or AMD64?   I can't make "skyrocket" screensaver work on either.
[08:17] <HappyFool> sudo fdisk -l
[08:17] <aaron> Brame: of course there is something wrong- it's Windows.  :)
[08:17] <Bramme> aaron, lol
[08:17] <nalioth> rebar: i run PPC
[08:17] <Bramme> i need it for recording
[08:18] <kbs> how to solve this: Xorg -configure saying Missing output drivers. Configuration failed.?
[08:18] <Bramme> Seveas, HappyFool : http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=8108
[08:18] <Bramme> output of fdisk -l
[08:18] <rebar> nalioth:  do the screensavers work for you?  On that one "skyrocket" I just get blank screen.  Others work kindof, but you can tell they aren't right...
[08:19] <u19809> after modifying menu.lst for grub, like lilo, should I run grub ?
[08:19] <nalioth> rebar: there are lots of things that don't "work" and i end up compiling them myself
[08:19] <HappyFool> u19809: no
[08:19] <Seveas> Bramme, what's on /dev/hda2?
[08:19] <Bramme> windows installer made a mess of it
[08:19] <u19809> happyfool : how does grub update itself then ?
[08:19] <nalioth> rebar: i don't run a screensaver since i'm on a iBook, i have the monitor shut off after 5 minutes
[08:19] <Bramme> Seveas, a FAT32 partition with backups
[08:19] <HappyFool> u19809: it reads the menu.lst file
[08:20] <HappyFool> u19809: grub can read ext3 (and other partitions)
[08:20] <Seveas> Bramme, then your menu.lst is ok...
[08:20] <Seveas> Bramme, try experimenting in the grub console on boot
[08:20] <u19809> happyfool : ah, it it knows where its config file is ... is that built in ?
[08:20] <Seveas> or maybe try rootnoverify instead of root
[08:21] <HappyFool> u19809: i think the location of the menu.lst file (or the grub directory) is written to the boot record
[08:21] <HappyFool> u19809: not sure -- read 'info grub' for more ;)
[08:21] <Seveas> u19809, correct
[08:21] <Seveas> it's being built in when running grub-install
[08:21] <Seveas> that's why proc and /boot should be mounted when running grub-install :)
[08:22] <rebar> nalioth: OK, thanks for the report.  That's a cool screensaver and I wish it worked.   It locks up my amd64 system hard.
[08:22] <u19809> seveas : so as long as /boot/grub remains where it is then grub autodetects ...
[08:22] <skel__> I got a question... In my Application my Gnome desktop i see Debian and i can like search all through it... why is that?
[08:22] <Seveas> yes
[08:22] <Seveas> skel__, you must have installed a bad package
[08:22] <skel__> damm
[08:22] <Seveas> you can remove the menu again with smeg
[08:22] <skel__> can i fix that
[08:22] <buzzle> hello
[08:23] <skel__> how do i isntall that
[08:23] <Seveas> skel__, see www.realistanew.com
[08:23] <skel__> i cant find it on Apt get
[08:23] <green-> man, one issue after another.. trying to build these alsa packages.. wants curses/ncurses but libncurses5, ncurses-base, bin, term etc.. all installed..
[08:23] <Seveas> green-, try libncurses5-dev
[08:23] <green-> ah, yah.. gotta get used to .deb pkg management again.. been awhile :D
[08:23] <skel__> icky its opening up Knquor instae dof firefox
[08:23] <Seveas> :)
[08:23] <buzzle> having trouble connecting to my lan via wireless, suggestions?
[08:23] <green-> thanks
[08:24] <Seveas> buzzle, no
[08:24] <daniel^> buzzle: be more specific
[08:24] <Seveas> not until you give info that is...
[08:24] <buzzle> linksys wireless card
[08:24] <buzzle> what would you like me to tell you
[08:24] <Seveas> buzzle, you need to use ndiswrapper for that
[08:24] <squinn> yes
[08:24] <jbroome> a/b/g?
[08:24] <Seveas> search the wiki for ndiswrapper
[08:24] <buzzle> i couldnt find a faq on just the basic set up
[08:24] <buzzle> ok
[08:24] <buzzle> thank you
[08:25] <skel__> i think KDe and ghonme have mixed
[08:25] <skel__> its weird
[08:25] <XandriX-> AMDXP: fellow amd user
[08:26] <AMDXP> yup how are you
[08:26] <XandriX-> great you ?
[08:27] <XandriX-> AMDXP: great you ?
[08:27] <AMDXP> i am fine thanks
[08:28] <AMDXP> sorry was trying to configure my xfce4
[08:28] <XandriX-> AMDXP: oooo xfce
[08:28] <askinif> does adding gnue-appserver help with updating cnucash???
[08:28] <XandriX-> AMDXP: i prefer gnome o kde or fluxbox
[08:28] <AMDXP> i have a old 233
[08:28] <AMDXP> lappy
[08:29] <AMDXP> i like xfce4 and openbox
[08:29] <XandriX-> AMDXP: ship it over here lol i want tha tlappy lol
[08:30] <XandriX-> ok brb
[08:31] <XandriX-> warty: change your nick to hoary lol
[08:33] <green-> okay now onto alsa.. maybe you guys can keep bailing me out :) .. ran alsaconf and it said i'm good to go, but still no sound and mixers/volume control cant find it either
[08:33] <sens> Can anyone help me download and set up cadega?
[08:34] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i path/to/cedega.deb
[08:35] <sens> yeah but i can't find asnywhere to download it from
[08:37] <HappyFool> sens: i thought cedega was pay-ware?
[08:38] <Seveas> it is
[08:38] <sens> HappyFool, I wouldn't know, it would appear that way though. If wine-X pay ware?
[08:38] <^thehatsrule^> cedega = new name for wine-x
[08:39] <^thehatsrule^> youd have to buy it
[08:39] <sens> the whole idea of moving to linux was so that i didn't have to warez stuff
[08:39] <AMDXP> wow i am loving these transparent windows
[08:40] <tvelocity> sens, what do you want to run with cedega?
[08:40] <chrissturm> sens: cedega is very cheap
[08:40] <^thehatsrule^> sens: lol... cedega just has a nice gui for it.. you can just use wine+dxd9 patches
[08:40] <Addius> buying=!warez?
[08:41] <chrissturm> ^thehatsrule^, cedega has a lot of more patches
[08:41] <sens> tvelocity: my games from my windows partition
[08:41] <Amaranth> cedega has support for copy-protected games
[08:41] <chrissturm> sens: so you still want to use warez?
[08:41] <tvelocity> which games? some run on wine too
[08:41] <sens> chrissturm: not for an unemplyed 15 year old it's not
[08:41] <netuser> Hello
[08:42] <sens> chrissturm: no I came to linux because I figured everything would be free as the people are nicer.
[08:42] <HappyFool> sens: i boot windows to play games; seems easiest
[08:42] <netuser> Is there anybody here willing to help someone?
[08:42] <AMDXP> netuser with what
[08:42] <HappyFool> netuser: maybe. ask a specific question ;)
[08:42] <netuser> AMDXP: Sound
[08:42] <sens> HappyFool: yes so do I, but it's alot of hassle, just to play a game when I could play it in linux and not even need windows.
[08:42] <netuser> And Happyfool :)
[08:42] <AMDXP> netuser: I am working on sound right now too
[08:43] <AMDXP> i dont have it on my lappy =(
[08:43] <Seveas> netuser, that still isn't a specific question..
[08:43] <netuser> Everything else works perfectly (well I have messed up windoze but it dosen't matter) but there is absoutley no sound.
[08:43] <chrissturm> sens: its only 5 usd per month. and you can also build it from cvs for free
[08:43] <^thehatsrule^> chrissturm: sure, but i mean its still very playable not using cedega, specifically :P
[08:43] <netuser> Well exept sometimes it bleeps
[08:43] <frank__> I am trying to get qwest dsl web to work on ubuntu, and irc seems to work but it wont let me browse the web
[08:44] <sens> chrissturm: too late I'm downloading it now, they ont need my money
[08:44] <netuser> But through the PC speaker, not through my speakers
[08:44] <AMDXP> i dont even see sound  when i do a lspci
[08:44] <AMDXP> i mean i dont see my sound card when i do that
[08:44] <netuser> @frank__: Try using it through a differient port? Just a guess.
[08:45] <HappyFool> frank__: what error do you get? how are browsing?
[08:46] <Whistler> how do i install ati radeon drivers?
[08:46] <sens> whistler: with great difficulty
[08:46] <HappyFool> !BinaryDriver
[08:46] <ubotu> HappyFool: No idea
[08:46] <frank__> it just doesnt load, but i don't have any errors
[08:46] <Whistler> i know but i need them
[08:46] <Whistler> =]
[08:47] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:47] <AMDXP> brb going to check the forums
[08:47] <HappyFool> Whistler: try here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:47] <sens> Whistler: I got mine done today, but someone did the majority of it for me, i'll sned you a linkt hat might help
[08:47] <sens> Whistler: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/howto.php
[08:48] <sens> Whistler: I sent him my xorg.conf and he did something to them, I think he just changed a tiny bit, I did find a tutorial on what to do for that as well, but i'll be damned if i can find it again
[08:48] <HappyFool> netuser: can you try 'lspci|grep audio' to see if your sound card is detected?
[08:48] <sens> How would I install a .rpm?
[08:48] <action09> hi i installed snort & acidlab from Ubuntu Hoary, can"t get acidlab working :( what di i have to do? install mysql, create database and all ?
[08:48] <^thehatsrule^> use alien to convert it
[08:49] <action09> please help i'm lost :(
[08:49] <Whistler> sens so what do i need to change in my xorg?
[08:49] <AMDXP> HappyFool: it didnt see the soundcard
[08:49] <HappyFool> action09: if you don't get any response here, try installing acidlab-doc and read the manual
[08:50] <action09> sens  on Debian rpm was a package, try apt-get install rpm.. b
[08:50] <action09> HappyFool  ok thx it's a recommended package also :)
[08:50] <Seveas> sens, you need alien to convert it to a .deb file
[08:50] <AMDXP> brb
[08:51] <sens> seveas: I think I'll just abandon and try another day, thanks anyway
[08:51] <sens> Whistler: Open your xorg.conf and make a backup of it then scroll down to where it says Section Device
[08:53] <sens> Whistler, you done that? Need to be quick, my dad's nagging me to get off
[08:54] <Whistler> srry not yet
[08:54] <Whistler> write i will read
[08:54] <sens> no, you need to edit your xorg.conf first
[08:55] <sens> it only takes a little while
[08:55] <Whistler> Download the latest ATI drivers:
[08:55] <green-> hmm sound doesn't kick in till volumen is almost at top
[08:55] <sens> hold up a second, you need to do this in the correct order
[08:55] <green-> never gets loud enough
[08:56] <sens> whistler: wait up
[08:56] <Seveas> green-, try gnome-volume-control :)
[08:56] <Whistler> ?
[08:57] <green-> seveas: that's what i'm using.. alsa-mixer gives same results..
[08:57] <sens> Whistler: Open your xorg.conf open up a root terminal, type in your root password, then type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:58] <sens> Whistler, done that?
[08:58] <Whistler> yep
[08:58] <Seveas> sens, please get some clue: root terminal wants *your* password, not a root pass and you don't need sudo in a root terminal...
[08:58] <sens> Whistler, scroll down to where it says 'section "device"
[08:59] <Whistler> done
[08:59] <green-> Seveas: it's like the default volume is too low or something.. it gets loud enough for me to hear here in a quiet room.. but i can tell the speakers can get WAY louder
[08:59] <sens> Sebeas: sorry i'm a linux n00b, but my way will work too so I don't see too much problem
[08:59] <txero33> does anyone have a problem finding programs after they install them?
[08:59] <Whistler> whats next?
[08:59] <sens> seveas: ^what i said asbove, i spelt your name wrong
[08:59] <Seveas> green-, any hardware buttons on your machine or something..?
[08:59] <bleh321> how long should this installation take ? ubuntu has beensetting up packages for 40 minutes
[08:59] <sens> Whistler: what does it say after Driver?
[09:00] <Whistler> Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (RV350 AP)"
[09:00] <Whistler> and?
[09:00] <sens> Whistler, ypu thats correct, the line below it though
[09:00] <txero33> does anyone have a problem finding and running programs after they install them
[09:00] <bl4cktone> how do I uninstall mplayer?
[09:00] <txero33> apt-get remove mplayer
[09:00] <txero33> in the root menu
[09:00] <Whistler> bl4cktone sudo apt-get install mplayer
[09:00] <Whistler> uh
[09:00] <Whistler> unistal
[09:00] <Whistler> :D
[09:00] <txero33> ^_^
[09:01] <Whistler> i thouth install
[09:01] <Seveas> sudo aptitude purge mplayer
[09:01] <Whistler> =]
[09:01] <HappyFool> txero33: if you know the package main, you can use 'dpkg -L <packagename>'
[09:01] <sens> Whistler: ?
[09:01] <Whistler> ection "Device"
[09:01] <Whistler> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (RV350 AP)"
[09:01] <Whistler> 	Driver		"ati"
[09:01] <Whistler> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[09:01] <sens> Change the "ati" to "fglrx"
[09:02] <txero33> HappyFool, what is dpkg?
[09:02] <txero33> HappyFool, hpw do i find out the package main
[09:02] <HappyFool> txero33: debian package management application
[09:02] <bl4cktone> alright it's gone xing seems much better
[09:02] <HappyFool> txero33: i don't understand that question, sorry
[09:02] <sens> Whistler: done that?
[09:02] <HappyFool> txero33: 'main' is a collection of packages
[09:02] <Danar> something gparted did made partitions hdb1, hdb2 & hdb4 disappear from /dev, but gparted still sees them. can anyone help?
[09:02] <Trixsey> Anyone know a good drag-and-drop FTP client?
[09:02] <Whistler> yep
[09:03] <Whistler> done
[09:03] <SirGir> gftp?
[09:03] <Razor-X> anyone here use eterm?
[09:03] <SirGir> Razor-X, yeah, used to
[09:03] <Seveas> Trixsey, nautilus :)
[09:03] <bl4cktone> razor-x at it again eh?
[09:03] <sens> Whistler: now just follow the instructions on that site I sent you, after you've saved the new xorg.conf
[09:03] <drmodding> somebody can help me with the audio of quake III? i use the echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss like root but when the batle begins the game frezee and i need restart x
[09:03] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: yes
[09:03] <sens> Whistler: actually hang on
[09:03] <Seveas> Trixsey, places -> connect to server
[09:03] <Razor-X> SirGir: OMG
[09:03] <txero33> HappyFool, well maybe if i tell u my exaclt problem u can help more
[09:03] <Razor-X> is it possible to use ttf console fonts withe eterm?
[09:03] <HappyFool> txero33: ok
[09:03] <txero33> HappyFool, used apt-get to install a game and now i have no idea where to find it
[09:03] <sysrq> Razor-X: no
[09:03] <Whistler> ok thx
[09:04] <Whistler> ?
[09:04] <HappyFool> txero33: which game?
[09:04] <Razor-X> sysrq: damn
[09:04] <sens> Whistler: you need to save it as something else save it in your home directory or somewhere
[09:04] <SirGir> Razor-X, don't think so
[09:04] <txero33> HappyFool, arkrpg
[09:04] <Whistler> sens i made a backup
[09:04] <Danar> txero33, try running that
[09:04] <sens> Whistler: tell me how it goes
[09:04] <sens> Whislter: ok
[09:04] <Razor-X> maybe i'll switch terms then....
[09:04] <SirGir> I got som strange rendering problems in Eterm =/
[09:04] <txero33> Danar, i went to run application arkrpg and nothing happened
[09:04] <HappyFool> txero33: if Danar's suggestion doesn't work, type 'dpkg -L arkrpg|grep /usr/bin'
[09:04] <green-> oh boy.. part of the volume issue (maybe all of it) is that my rear speakers are not working.. sound drivers dont even seem to identify them
[09:04] <green-> great
[09:04] <txero33> HappyFool, into the terminal?
[09:05] <HappyFool> txero33: and if *that* doesn't work, type 'dpkg -L arkrpg' and paste the output to a pastebin
[09:05] <Razor-X> is it possible to increase the eterm font size without increasing the term size?
[09:05] <HappyFool> txero33: indeed
[09:05] <sens> Whistler: it working?
[09:05] <Whistler> i am downloading
[09:05] <Whistler> driver
[09:05] <HappyFool> txero33: you can use this to show me lots of output: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:05] <SirGir> Razor-X, sorry, cant help you.. nerver tried
[09:05] <sens> Whistler: ok
[09:06] <Razor-X> SirGir: you read those miniscule fonts?
[09:06] <SirGir> Eterm --help?
[09:06] <sens> Whistler: tell me how it goes as soon as possible my dad really wants me off the computer :P
[09:06] <SirGir> yeah
[09:06] <Whistler> ok
[09:06] <Whistler> =]
[09:06] <Razor-X> nopes, i've perused the Eterm manpage
[09:06] <Danar> txero33, try running it from a terminal window instead...
[09:07] <Danar> txero33, that way at least if there's an error you can see it
[09:07] <txero33> HappyFool, ok i tpyed what u said
[09:07] <Trixsey> Seveas, woah its nice :D
[09:07] <HappyFool> txero33: did you see any output?
[09:07] <Seveas> Trixsey, what is nice?
[09:07] <Trixsey> Nautilus
[09:07] <Danar> txero33, since nothing happened, it may have tried to run, but exited with an error, since it didn't say it wasn't found
[09:07] <txero33> HappyFool, it told me /usr/bin/arkclient
[09:07] <Whistler> sens driver are 35 mb
[09:07] <Whistler> =[
[09:07] <HappyFool> txero33: ok, now try 'arkclient'
[09:07] <sens> Whistler: what connection you on?
[09:08] <Danar> txero33, then run arkclient
[09:08] <Whistler> slow
[09:08] <Whistler> =]
[09:08] <Razor-X> sysrq: is it possible to increase font size in eterm without increasing terminal size?
[09:08] <Whistler> ~144
[09:08] <Whistler> :D
[09:08] <Whistler> so it will take a while
[09:08] <Whistler> =]
[09:08] <txero33> HappyFool, well either my laptop is slow or nothing happened
[09:08] <sens> Whistler: how much has it done already?
[09:08] <Whistler> 3%
[09:08] <Whistler> =]
[09:08] <erb> hello
[09:08] <HappyFool> txero33: i recommend reading the documentation for this program
[09:09] <txero33> HappyFool, i ran it in a terminal it popped up then closed again
[09:09] <HappyFool> txero33: take a look in /usr/share/doc/arkrpg
[09:09] <sens> Whistler: Ah, well i'll leave the computer, that way dad can't get annoyed at me. Just start a seperate chat window with me and tell me in there when it's finished
[09:09] <HappyFool> txero33: perhaps you need to tell it to use a server, or something
[09:09] <Shish> Razor-X: I'd think terminal size is set as font width * 80 x font height * 25 -- if you want bigger font with the same zie, you'd need to increase the font then shrink the window
[09:09] <Danar> txero33, in a terminal, try 'man arkclient'
[09:10] <Razor-X> Shish: thanks a shitload, i'll use that formula
[09:10] <Danar> txero33, or 'arkclient --help'
[09:11] <SirGir> Razor-X, you'r not using Ubuntu-AMD64 are you?
[09:11] <Razor-X> SirGir: nopes
[09:11] <cody> Hello
[09:12] <nalioth> Razor-X: are you in here stirring up trouble?
[09:12] <txero33> Danar,  ahh the help one sheds some light
[09:12] <Codeman7> In Ubuntu 5.04, my laptop's screen freezes for a second every minute or so. It's just momentarily unresponsive. Any ideas?
[09:12] <SirGir> okey. damn, I got this strange problem in Eterm in Hoary-ADM64... =/
[09:12] <Trixsey> It feels like something is limiting the full capacity of my system (Lack of drivers?) When I drag my mouse around marking things randomly in the desktop it laags even... I have the latest ATI drivers for my card
[09:12] <SirGir> AMD*
[09:13] <Razor-X> nalioth: getting emotional over Eterm
[09:13] <txero33> Danar, i almost want to give up games aren't worth this much haslte
[09:13] <drmodding> somebody can help me with the audio of quake III? i use the echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss like root but when the batle begins the game frezee and i need restart x
[09:13] <txero33> Danar, its just telling me that files are missing
[09:14] <nalioth> Razor-X: well calm down
[09:14] <txero33> Danar, sounds like a pain :)
[09:14] <nalioth> Razor-X: your brainwaves are bothering the local fauna and flora
[09:14] <Razor-X> nalioth: I couldn't _sleep_ over eterm
[09:14] <Razor-X> now, just one little nag, and i'm done configuring it
[09:15] <Codeman7> In Ubuntu 5.04, my laptop's screen freezes for a second every minute or so. It's just momentarily unresponsive. Any ideas? Also, already checked, no high CPU processes, DMA is on, and it always happens... not related to HD or anything
[09:15] <Danar> txero33, well, you will need to learn some things to make the most of your pc, but you only need learn them once...
[09:16] <Danar> txero33, are you sure there's missing files?
[09:16] <txero33> Danar, it said that it couldn't find the config file
[09:16] <txero33> Danar,  im sure theres somthing wrong on my part
[09:17] <SirGir> Anyone? http://img37.echo.cx/img37/7755/screenshoteterm0920pi.png
[09:17] <refuze2looze> txero33: what are you trying to install
[09:17] <ivanox> anyone knows what this means in German "fog" ?
[09:17] <txero33> refuze2looze, arkrpg
[09:17] <Danar> txero33, ah, according to this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/arkrpg it's not a game in itself, but something  you make games with
[09:17] <refuze2looze> ivanox: there are german -> english translators on the web
[09:17] <_kevin> I downloaded a .deb file
[09:17] <_kevin> how do i install it
[09:17] <ivanox> yeah I know
[09:18] <ivanox> but its doesnt know that word
[09:18] <Razor-X> misa likes this!
[09:18] <refuze2looze> _kevin: sudo dpkg -i packagename
[09:18] <Codeman7> Please, anyone? I would really like to use Ubuntu, but I can't at this rate.
[09:18] <Danar> txero33, it's for making rpg games. so if you want to use it to play games,  you'd need to get a game designed for it that someone's already made. or make your own
[09:18] <_kevin> ok
[09:18] <Trixsey> It feels like something is limiting the full capacity of my system (Lack of drivers?) When I drag my mouse around marking things randomly in the desktop it laags even... I have the latest ATI drivers for my card :-( Seveas, since you seem like a pro h4x0r... think you can help me? :(
[09:18] <Danar> txero33, that would be what you're missing
[09:18] <refuze2looze> Codeman7: it's a very strange problem. are you using the correct video drivers?
[09:19] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Yeah
[09:19] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, which ones?
[09:19] <quam> anyone have any suggestions for a list of commonly used packages that most people use but aren't normally installed with ubuntu?
[09:19] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: it's not that slow of a laptop either, it's a Dell 1.13GHz P3 with an nvidia GeForce2 Go... I used it with the default driver (nv) and also am now using the nvidia drivers. No change.
[09:19] <Razor-X> I think, I will use this henceforth, thanks everyone for helping me get eterm setup
[09:19] <HappyFool> txero33: at a guess, try installing arkhart -- it's apparently a 'world' for arkrpg
[09:19] <txero33> Danar, OH! haha ok
[09:19] <txero33> HappyFool, that might work
[09:19] <SirGir> Razor-X, You havn't seen this prob before? http://img37.echo.cx/img37/7755/screenshoteterm0920pi.png
[09:19] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, let me think for a minute what it can be
[09:20] <HappyFool> txero33: otherwise, try a different game. there are lots available
[09:20] <nalioth> quam: different people commonly use different stuff
[09:20] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Ok, I don't know if this narrows anything down, but it does it when I'm using synergy, which basically controls the mouse and keyboard over the network, as well.
[09:20] <nalioth> quam do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[09:20] <txero33> HappyFool, yeah when i think of linux games was not anywhere near my mind at that time
[09:20] <Trixsey> Guys! Is it a bad thing to login through the root account automatically? Linux is all about security.. but who would hack a private person with useless stuff on the com? :p
[09:20] <txero33> HappyFool, theres a lot of games though
[09:20] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, did you try lowering your refresh rate?
[09:21] <quam> nalioth: :P well, there are applications that are used by quite a few people. i have everything i need right now, but i want to try and get whatever im likely to use in the future, whether i know i need it right now or not :P
[09:21] <HappyFool> Trixsey: if you are root you can easily break your computer by accident
[09:21] <quam> if that makes sense
[09:21] <Razor-X> SirGir: hmmmm....
[09:21] <Razor-X> SirGir: what font were you using?
[09:21] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, ah, so it doesn't always happen? only when using synergy?
[09:21] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: No, it ALWAYS does it.
[09:21] <quam> nalioth: yeah, i have uncommented the universe/multiverse stuff in the sources file
[09:21] <Razor-X> try running Eterm again, with Eterm -F fixed
[09:21] <SirGir> Razor-X, default Eterm font..
[09:21] <Trixsey> HappyFool :o Would you give an example of what I could accidently do? :p
[09:21] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Just so you know it's not an input problem
[09:21] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Also, machine works fine on XP and Fedora, so no hardware problem I don't imagine
[09:21] <HappyFool> Trixsey: typing 'rm -rf *' while in the root directory
[09:21] <nalioth> quam: it takes more then uncommenting, you have to add some text
[09:22] <Danar> well, there are linux games: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+games
[09:22] <HappyFool> Trixsey: erasing a kernel image
[09:22] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, does it *lag* or does the screen just freeze for a second? can you tell?
[09:22] <Trixsey> HappyFool, I often use the root user in the terminal anyway? :P
[09:22] <Trixsey> Since my system is so limited unless I use the powerfull r00tie
[09:22] <Trixsey> :(
[09:22] <HappyFool> Trixsey: how's that?
[09:23] <Trixsey> if I ever install something through root
[09:23] <Danar> Trixsey, best practice is to never log in as root if you can help it. use sudo if you need to run commands as root, and only log in as a regular user
[09:23] <Trixsey> I'd need root access to change those files
[09:23] <quam> nalioth: what do i need to add? if it's in the ubuntu guide, lemme know, and i'll look it up
[09:23] <HappyFool> Trixsey: change what files?
[09:23] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: It doesn't seem to lag... It just stops for a second. Sometimes if I'm typing it'll actually have what i was in the middle of put there, but most of the time it just drops the letters I typed while it was "frozen"
[09:23] <HappyFool> Trixsey: if you use apt-get to install applications, they are usually available to all users
[09:23] <nalioth> quam: ubuntuguide will mess you up
[09:23] <Razor-X> SirGir: try Eterm -F fixed
[09:23] <quam> heh
[09:23] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, i would try playing a bit with the graphics settings.. lowering the refresh rate first, then try lowering the color depth, resolution, maybe even using VESA drivers. then you would know for sure whether it's a video problem or not
[09:24] <nalioth> quam: i've just spent several hours helpin a user fix theri system cuz they followed some trash inst in ubuntuguide
[09:24] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Ok, let me give it a shot.
[09:24] <nalioth> !Restricted
[09:24] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:24] <HappyFool> Trixsey: if you are a desktop user or developer, as opposed to a system administrator, you should not need to be root often
[09:24] <nalioth> quam: see what ubotu said re restricted
[09:24] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, if it drops the letters while it was frozen it probably isn't a video problem.. maybe give it a shot anyways
[09:24] <txero33> HappyFool,  installing arkhart fixed it thank you all for helping me
[09:24] <Whistler> !help
[09:24] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, also maybe disabling esd to see if it's a sound problem
[09:24] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Well, it's already at 60Hz
[09:24] <HappyFool> txero33: happy hunting kobolds
[09:25] <SirGir> Razor-X, well, some of it was fixed now! But the curser is still this strange square..
[09:25] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, are you sure you don't have bad sectors on your HD?
[09:25] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Ok, not sure how to disable the sound
[09:25] <Whistler> !uptime
[09:25] <quam> nalioth: yeah, well, i just reinstalled ubuntu earlier today because i had so much trash on it that i had installed that i didn't want to have to spend hours to clean up, so this time i want to do it right :P
[09:25] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: I suppose that's possible, but why wouldn't Fedora have had a problem? I also ran the Hitachi HD check and it came up with nothing
[09:25] <Nard> so why are the screen savers for ubuntu so slow and choppy
[09:26] <nalioth> quam: then stay away from ubuntuguide, backports, marillat and other wild repos
[09:26] <Razor-X> What HAPPENED
[09:26] <Razor-X> SirGir: hmmmm, that's a different thing...
[09:26] <Danar> can anyone help me with missing partitions?
[09:26] <Razor-X> my Eterm just... DIED
[09:26] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, try killall esd in terminal
[09:26] <Danar> i have 3 partitions that gparted can see, but don't show up in /dev
[09:26] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, fedora was running Gnome also?
[09:27] <SirGir> Razor-X, doh.. it's coming back.. Well, thanks anyway. Im using gnome-terminal with ProFont and i'm pretty happy with it :)
[09:27] <Danar> i was trying to resize one, and they disappeared
[09:27] <Trixsey> HappyFool, I'm watching movies and programming.. thats about it (I'm still a Linux newbo.. only had it for a week now)
[09:27] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Yeah
[09:27] <HappyFool> Trixsey: then, in my opinion, you should rarely need to be root
[09:27] <Razor-X> SirGir: no, I can help with that
[09:27] <HappyFool> Trixsey: once your system is setup, you should rarely need to tweak it
[09:27] <SirGir> Razor-X, Okey!
[09:27] <Razor-X> my ETERM.... <Darth Vader>NOOOOOOOOOOOO</Darth Vader>
[09:27] <SirGir> heh..
[09:28] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, pretty strange. try to think what was different about your fedora setup. so your HD doesn't make noise when it freezes right?
[09:28] <Danar> :(
[09:28] <stjepan> hi
[09:28] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Nope, most of the time I'm just typing in IRC or something, with little to no HD activity
[09:28] <stjepan> I have started EDE
[09:29] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: And killing ESD didn't help
[09:29] <stjepan> I press alt+ctrl+F6
[09:29] <stjepan> then I log in
[09:29] <Razor-X> SirGir: --app-cursor
[09:29] <Razor-X> add that in
[09:29] <stjepan> and after that I type xinit
[09:29] <stjepan> and then I type startede
[09:29] <stjepan> it is workin ok
[09:29] <stjepan> but
[09:29] <SirGir> Razor-X, nope.. still.
[09:29] <stjepan> there is terminal
[09:29] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, strange.. try switching to i686 kernel?
[09:30] <stjepan> if I close this terminal, EDE closes also
[09:30] <stjepan> because I have started EDE from that terminal
[09:30] <stjepan> how can I hide or close that terminal
[09:30] <SirGir> Razor-X, It's when I toggle transp. I get this squares..
[09:30] <stjepan> ?
[09:30] <refuze2looze> stjepan, then don't start it from the terminal
[09:30] <HappyFool> stjepan: 'man xinit'
[09:30] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Is there a ubuntu precompiled one I can switch to or would I have to recompile it?
[09:30] <SirGir> Razor-X, and when I move the window
[09:31] <stjepan> HappyFool, what does that mean?
[09:31] <Razor-X> SirGir: have you updated your Eterm?
[09:31] <nalioth_wrkn> stjepan: when you start programs from terminal and want your terminal back, stick a & on the end of the command  i.e. "konqueror &"
[09:31] <HappyFool> stjepan: type that in the console. it will give you the documentation for xinit
[09:31] <stjepan> refuze2looze, but how should I run it?
[09:31] <Razor-X> ok poeple, i'm giving my X manager a restart, C-b stopped working, and now Eterm
[09:31] <HappyFool> stjepan: it appears you can supply a program to run; if none is given, xterm is started
[09:31] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, ofcourse. install linux-686 from synaptic and reboot
[09:31] <Trixsey> I've got another question :) Which is, in your opinion, the best desktop environment?
[09:31] <SirGir> Razor-X, Im using 0.9.2 from backports..
[09:32] <nalioth_wrkn> backports  <hisssssss>
[09:32] <HappyFool> Trixsey: are you familiar with the internet term 'holy war' ? ;)
[09:32] <refuze2looze> stjepan, you want it to start automatically when you boot up?
[09:32] <Trixsey> HappyFool  lol no :p
[09:32] <HappyFool> Trixsey: desktop environment preference is a highly emotive matter
[09:32] <stjepan> refuze2looze, no
[09:33] <stjepan> ok tnx guys
[09:33] <refuze2looze> stjepan, Applications > Run Application
[09:33] <Trixsey> HappyFool, oh.. lol
[09:33] <Razor-X> back
[09:33] <Razor-X> lemme see if it's working
[09:33] <bl4cktone> how do I get xine tied to mozilla firefox as default player?
[09:33] <stjepan> I will try that
[09:33] <Trixsey> HappyFool: which one do you prefer then?
[09:34] <HappyFool> Trixsey: the default one (gnome). mostly because it's the default.
[09:34] <Razor-X> ok, Eterm is still not working
[09:34] <AMDXP> when i do a sudo modprobe snd-es18xx it gives me a no such device error
[09:34] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: OK... I'm installing the 686 kernel now
[09:34] <Razor-X> ......... and neither is C-b
[09:34] <Razor-X> ok, restart time
[09:34] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, good luck.. dunno if it'll solve your problem. it usually gives a very slight performance increase if any
[09:35] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: It does have a hint of sense to it, though, since Fedora used 686, and I didn't have a problem. I'll be back shortly, hopefully this will work. Thanks for the help!
[09:35] <Trixsey> HappyFool,  you know any program for manipulating the GNOME environment? customization.. or whatever one could call it
[09:35] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, np
[09:35] <HappyFool> Trixsey: take a look in System -> Preferences
[09:35] <refuze2looze> too late
[09:36] <HappyFool> Trixsey: otherwise Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor
[09:36] <Trixsey> HappyFool,  I want more advanced preferences :(
[09:36] <Trixsey> oh opk
[09:36] <stjepan> I am back
[09:36] <darko__> in bash how do i do: IF "jackd" and "oss2jack" is NOT running, do stuff:
[09:36] <stjepan> startede &
[09:36] <stjepan> it doesn't work
[09:36] <refuze2looze> Trixsey, gtweakui
[09:36] <HappyFool> stjepan: have you read the xinit man pages ?
[09:36] <stjepan> there is terminal
[09:36] <HappyFool> stjepan: 'man xinit'
[09:36] <Trixsey> Seveas, when I connected to an FTP it automatically added itself to "Places" (Nautilus). How do I remove it?
[09:37] <stjepan> I should type "man xinit"
[09:37] <stjepan> ?
[09:37] <HappyFool> stjepan: yes
[09:37] <Razor-X> ok then, time to check if it works this time around
[09:37] <stjepan> oh
[09:37] <bl4cktone> need help with mplayer messing up firefox
[09:37] <stjepan> I cleared log
[09:37] <stjepan> HappyFool, can you repeat that, pls?
[09:37] <Razor-X> C-b works!
[09:38] <Razor-X> but.......  ( Poke around a bit, it's in preferences->download )
[09:41] <bl4cktone> goofyheadedpunk lol Just bored
[09:41] <GNULinuxer> goofyheadedpunk > we need to be  a bit patient with newbies
[09:42] <stjepan> I am back again
[09:42] <Spug> how large should the / partition be? my hd is 40 gb
[09:42] <GNULinuxer> stazz > welcome
[09:42] <goofyheadedpunk> GNULinuxer: True.
[09:42] <refuze2looze> darko__, i think it's if [ -z $( pgrep jackd ) ] ; then
[09:42] <Whistler> i used 5gb for ubuntu and 1 gb swap
[09:42] <GNULinuxer> Spug > it depends, but 10 Gb would be safe
[09:42] <Whistler> its more than enough for me
[09:42] <stjepan> better question: How can I run program from terminal and then terminal will be hidden (or exited)?
[09:42] <goofyheadedpunk> bl4cktone: Even if you are bored don't fill the channel with gibberish. It's rude and annoying.
[09:43] <bl4cktone> goofyheadedpunk this is the part where I blow up in rage because you pointed out any form of noobness
[09:43] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > use &
[09:43] <stjepan> yeah
[09:43] <goofyheadedpunk> bl4cktone: hehe
[09:43] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > run it in the bg
[09:43] <stjepan> but it doesn't work
[09:43] <stjepan> GNULinuxer, what is bg?
[09:43] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > then say nohup program-name ... bg == background
[09:44] <Spug> how large should the swap partition be? i only have 128 mb ram
[09:44] <stjepan> what?
[09:44] <stjepan> I want to do that: startede
[09:44] <stjepan> how to hide terminal and run startede?
[09:44] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > man nohup
[09:44] <refuze2looze> Spug, it could be as big as you want.. i think usually twice the size of your RAM is cool, but more wouldn't hurt
[09:44] <bwlang> Spug: depends on how much software you want to run at the same time... for desktop stuff probably 256M is fine
[09:44] <Spug> okay, thanks
[09:44] <stjepan> GNULinuxer, and that is ...?
[09:45] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > what is that software you want to run?
[09:45] <GNULinuxer> stjepan > why not create a launcher, or use Alt+F4 ?
[09:45] <refuze2looze> stjepan, man command gives you the manual of that command (ie how to use it n stuff). so run man nohup and read it\
[09:45] <bl4cktone> goofyheadedpunk: I don't want to talk to you no more you empty headed animal trough wiper! I fart in your general direction!
[09:45] <AMDXP> man Mplayer works great
[09:45] <stjepan> EDE is Equinox Desktop Environment
[09:46] <refuze2looze> bl4cktone, what is this crap. if you're not gonna act mature get the hell out of here
[09:47] <refuze2looze> bl4cktone, people here come in for help, you can't fill up the channel with nonsense
[09:47] <Whistler> is it possible to connect mobile phone to linux?
[09:47] <narch> whistler, yes
[09:47] <Whistler> narch any tutorials?
[09:48] <narch> whistler, probably, haven't needed them tho
[09:48] <narch> most of it is self-explanatory
[09:49] <Whistler> i have motorola c650 how can i connect it?
[09:49] <narch> whistler, USB probably, serial almost definitely, bluetooth probably (assuming the C650 has bluetooth, which i suspect it does)
[09:49] <goofyheadedpunk> whistler: http://www.google.com/linux?q=motorola+c650&sourceid=mozilla-search for starters.
[09:49] <netuser> if its a cable modem try using an ethrnet cable
[09:50] <netuser> who has blueyonder broadband here?
[09:50] <Whistler> it has usb only
[09:50] <djm62> can anyone give me hints on how to get xrandr to rotate my laptop screen? I get BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) using options straight from the manpage
[09:50] <netuser> ah ok
[09:50] <narch> whistler, then try plugging the USB in
[09:50] <Whistler> nothing happens
[09:50] <ivoks> lol... wierd, uniqe, grand prix :)
[09:50] <djm62> netuser: I have blueyonder, but I just connect through the family router, so it's just normal dhcp
[09:51] <netuser> djm62: do blueyonder support linux?
[09:51] <narch> whistler, most phones use the generic serial USB profile
[09:51] <Trixsey> When I connected to an FTP it automatically added itself to "Places" (Nautilus). How do I remove it?
[09:51] <narch> whistler, so you plug the USB cable in, and you get a serial device in /dev that gives you a connection to the phone
[09:51] <djm62> netuser: I severely doubt it...but a web search will usually turn up workarounds in that sort of case
[09:52] <stjepan> hi
[09:52] <stjepan> nohup doesn't work
[09:52] <HappyFool> stjepan: does 'xinit startede' not work?
[09:52] <stjepan> when I close terminal, EDE closes also
[09:52] <netuser> djm62 ah ok, even though they use linux for their stuff like mail platofrms...
[09:52] <spiderworm> hi all, totem plays movies strangely for me, at first at correct speed, but then it slows down to a crawl, a frame a second maybe, has anybody seen this behaviour before? ubuntu 5.04 64 bit
[09:52] <narch> whislter, then you can use one of the mobile phone tools for accessing stuff on the phone, or you can use btcid (i know its called 'BlueTooth Caller ID', but it just uses a serial connection)
[09:52] <narch> whistler, btcid is a great program, if only it wasn't so ugly :)
[09:52] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Well, no go.
[09:52] <stjepan> HappyFool, I typed xinit and after that, when
[09:52] <stjepan> X is running
[09:52] <HappyFool> stjepan: no
[09:52] <stjepan> I ran ede
[09:52] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Do you think this coul dhave anything to do with my laptop's power scaling or wahtever?
[09:52] <djm62> netuser: yeah, the guys that do that aren't the helpdesk drones...if you had the choice, nor would you be ;)
[09:52] <HappyFool> stjepan: i don't know if it'll work but try it
[09:53] <stjepan> I should to type: xinit startede?
[09:53] <HappyFool> stjepan: in the console 'xinit startede'
[09:53] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: like right now my gnome applet says it's at 731MHz, but if I open something it goes to 1.13GHz
[09:53] <stjepan> I will try
[09:53] <HappyFool> stjepan: yes. the xinit man page is confusing, but i recommend you study it in detail
[09:53] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:53] <HappyFool> jack-in-the-box
[09:53] <jedipottsy> ARGH
[09:53] <jedipottsy> does ne1 know how to enable sound for snd_atiixp ?
[09:53] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Yup, did something, once the processor jumped down to 731MHz again it froze.
[09:53] <netuser> djm62: id rather not be with all those noobs-to-windows: "why do i need to click start to shutdown my pc?"
[09:54] <bl4cktone> I.. I'm sorry guys I'll try not to make nonsence in here anymore.  Don't know what came over me
[09:54] <HappyFool> a perfectly good ui question
[09:54] <djm62> hey, that's crap design
[09:54] <djm62> wouldn't get past gnome HIG ;)
[09:54] <netuser> djm62it's m$hit, what do you expect:
[09:54] <jedipottsy> how do i add pci=noapci to boot?
[09:55] <netuser> neither would i, but im a win pro but lin noob
[09:55] <xeys> hello all
[09:55] <xeys> i have a question regarding live distro
[09:55] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: you can add it in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:55] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: you can also add it during boot
[09:56] <cary> pfp, you around? haha
[09:56] <xeys> is there a way to use my key drive to setup a home folder that will hold all my C files and header files and make files?
[09:56] <Codeman7> Ok, well...
[09:56] <Codeman7> Can anyone help me? On a laptop, my processor jumps down to 731MHz from 1.13GHz when I'm not doing anything intensize, and my computer freezes for a second while this happens...
[09:56] <xeys> and is there a way to install software and put it on the ketdrive?
[09:56] <bleh321> ok,. is it possible for a single network card to use two ip adresses each for diffirent oses, with vmware or do i have to route the guest os through the host
[09:57] <jedipottsy> HappyFool, where do i add it in?
[09:57] <xeys> hello?
[09:57] <Echylo> anyone can help me with finding a good dyndns.org update client? (dynamic dns)
[09:57] <guupsta> codeman7, power saving feature?
[09:57] <djm62> xeys: the key drive is just a hard drive, but you'd need to add appropriate symlinks
[09:57] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[09:57] <Codeman7> guupsta: i guess that is what it's doing, despite me being plugged in.
[09:57] <jedipottsy> HappyFool, yeah
[09:58] <djm62> xeys: also, do you really want/need this?  Is your intention to have no $HOME if you lose your keydrive/forget it/wipe it
[09:58] <stjepan> "xinit startede" doesn't work
[09:58] <stjepan> there is an error
[09:58] <jedipottsy> HappyFool, this is current boot:   title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[09:58] <jedipottsy> root		(hd0,2)
[09:58] <jedipottsy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[09:58] <jedipottsy> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[09:58] <jedipottsy> savedefault
[09:58] <jedipottsy> boot
[09:58] <stjepan> bad command line optiom "startede"
[09:58] <stjepan> :(
[09:58] <superkitty> can i upgrade Ubuntu to Debian sid or etch?
[09:58] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: please don't paste so much here
[09:58] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: you can add it to the end of the 'kernel' line
[09:58] <darko__> refuze2looze: thanks :) that worked.
[09:59] <djm62> xeys: if you insert the keydrive, it should appear on your desktop, so you can easily treat it as "blank space
[09:59] <jedipottsy> HappyFool, k thnx
[09:59] <Trixsey> HappyFool,  You know Nautilus?
[09:59] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: so 'kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi'
[09:59] <stjepan> hey
[09:59] <stjepan> please help me
[09:59] <HappyFool> jedipottsy: however, this will not be preserved when you upgrade kernels
[09:59] <guupsta> Codeman7: for curiosity, is it freezing for a "long time", like couple of seconds?
[09:59] <stjepan> did you forget my problem?
[09:59] <stjepan> :)
[09:59] <HappyFool> Trixsey: not really, sorry
[09:59] <xeys> ok, thanks much. gcc should still work fine once I get it there
[09:59] <jedipottsy> HappyFool, thnx :D
[09:59] <topyli> yay! i can finally connect my phone to my ubuntu box
[10:00] <HappyFool> stjepan: try 'xinit /path/to/startede', and please read 'man xinit' carefully -- i appreciate that it is confusing
[10:00] <stjepan> ok
[10:00] <Mobius> Hello, how is everyone today?
[10:00] <djm62> xeys: you want gcc on the key? that's a bit crazy...gcc takes a lot of infrastructure as well as the main binaries:  is this something you'd be better doing with a liveCD for the OS and keydrive for files?
[10:00] <xeys> hey guys, the clamshell ibooks work well with ppc live distro
[10:00] <jedipottsy> ne1 know how to disable modem drivers?
[10:00] <xeys> no, i mean I want my source on the key
[10:00] <Codeman7> guupsta: 1-2 seconds
[10:01] <jedipottsy> i think ALSA is loading modem drivers, rather than sound drivers :S
[10:01] <djm62> jedipottsy: are they acting like soundcards?
[10:01] <Spug> how can i make musicbox play mp3s?
[10:01] <crimsun> jedipottsy: if you're using hoary, they're already deprioritised
[10:01] <djm62> jedipottsy: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa at the bottom of the file, you can see how to disable that behaviour
[10:01] <superkitty>  can i upgrade Ubuntu to Debian sid or etch?
[10:01] <guupsta> Codeman7: ok. nothing that I could help you, just wanted to know :/
[10:01] <crimsun> Spug: musicbox, the python player?
[10:01] <Spug> i dunno
[10:01] <Spug> maybe i'm mixing up
[10:02] <Spug> the default music player in ubuntu
[10:02] <Spug> the itunes-esque one
[10:02] <topyli> Spug: install gstreamer0.8-mad if you mean rhythmbox
[10:02] <Spug> ah, yes
[10:02] <Spug> that's the one
[10:02] <jedipottsy> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa - no file
[10:03] <Amaranth> rhythmbox
[10:03] <jedipottsy> cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:03] <Amaranth> wow, lag
[10:03] <jedipottsy> displays this : 1 [Modem          ] : ATIIXP-MODEM - ATI IXP Modem
[10:03] <jedipottsy>                      ATI IXP Modem rev 1 at 0xe8004800, irq 17
[10:03] <djm62> jedipottsy: alsa-base, sorry typing from memory
[10:03] <Codeman7> guupsta: Ok, Thanks :)... I'm going to check for a BIOS option to disable it while plugged in. Dunno though.
[10:03] <corp> hey
[10:04] <crimsun> jedipottsy: what's index 0? (you displayed index 1)
[10:04] <corp> anyone know how to enable video for linux?
[10:04] <ompaul> corp,  hay on the other hand is for horses :)
[10:04] <pistol> hey all, i have a libc dependecy problem, apparently i should remove marillat from the sources.list file - but what lines is this exactly?
[10:04] <pistol> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[10:04] <refuze2looze> Codeman7, sorry i was away. anyways there's the problem.. maybe you can change this in the BIOS or soething?
[10:04] <crimsun> pistol: for what, mplayer-$arch?
[10:04] <refuze2looze> or disable the power saving?
[10:04] <Codeman7> refuze2looze: Yeah, I'm going ot check that in a second, once this program is done compiling.
[10:04] <HappyFool> pistol: the line(s) with 'marillat' in it
[10:04] <refuze2looze> gotta run
[10:05] <jedipottsy> crimsun, this is at the very bottom
[10:05] <jedipottsy> crimsun, # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[10:05] <jedipottsy> options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
[10:05] <jedipottsy> options snd-bt87x index=-2
[10:05] <jedipottsy> options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
[10:05] <jedipottsy> options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
[10:05] <HappyFool> please don't paste more than 2 lines
[10:05] <crimsun> jedipottsy: that's correct. Now show me card 0, please.
[10:05] <jedipottsy> crimsun, card 0?
[10:06] <pistol> crimsun, pretty much everything on ubuntuguide.org :(
[10:06] <crimsun> jedipottsy: yes, card 0. Look at the output of cat /proc/asound/modules
[10:06] <pistol> HappyFool, there aren't any line with marillat
[10:06] <AMDXP> HappyFool: to restart sound do i have to logout?
[10:06] <jedipottsy> 1 snd_atiixp_modem
[10:06] <crimsun> jedipottsy: paste the output of ,,lspci -v'' and ,,lsmod'' (without the quotes or commas) onto pastebin
[10:07] <HappyFool> pistol: perhaps it would be simplest if you put your /etc/apt/sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:07] <crimsun> AMDXP: no, you don't (unless you had to use the adduser command)
[10:07] <AMDXP> i didnt use the adduser
[10:07] <AMDXP> how do i restart sound
[10:07] <jedipottsy> crimsun, how do i get to pastebin?
[10:07] <pistol> HappyFool, done
[10:07] <crimsun> AMDXP: then you just need to ,,sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload''
[10:08] <costas> hello
[10:08] <crimsun> jedipottsy: see the topic paste reference
[10:08] <HappyFool> pistol: stand by
[10:08] <jedipottsy> ahh http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:08] <HappyFool> pistol: i suspect that the ftp.tux.org line is the problem
[10:08] <jedipottsy> ok
[10:09] <HappyFool> pistol: i am not a guru, but i don't think using a debian sarge repository is a good idea
[10:09] <pistol> HappyFool, thanks very much, i will try commenting that
[10:09] <pistol> HappyFool, apparently you need that for sun jre
[10:09] <AMDXP> crimsun: thanks
[10:09] <HappyFool> pistol: i think ubuntuguide.org recommends backports for these sorts of things
[10:09] <jedipottsy> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/127
[10:09] <HappyFool> pistol: for java, see wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:10] <pistol> HappyFool, okay, thanks again - i just installed ubuntu today so i'm a bit newbie
[10:10] <pistol> thnkas for your patience so far though :)
[10:10] <jedipottsy> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/128
[10:11] <HappyFool> pistol: i *think* Seveas usually recommends method 3 from that page
[10:11] <yhan> what is the best cdburner apps for linux ?
[10:11] <HappyFool> pistol: "Quick Sun JDK Install"
[10:12] <jedipottsy> crimsun, got any idea?
[10:12] <HappyFool> hmm, but that's the jdk, not the jre
[10:12] <yhan> I 'd like to found something similar to nero for win
[10:12] <pistol> HappyFool, ubuntuguide? i cant find "quick sun jdk install" on it
[10:12] <cary> question for whoever will answer: i had previously tried to compile a kernel and it failed and now i cant remember where the kernel that i had patched is. i need to compile it but cant find it. are kernels ready to go generally ending with .bz2 ?
[10:13] <HappyFool> pistol: no, on wiki.ubuntu.com/Java -- however, i'm not sure that that is what you want
[10:13] <cary> (come on bob2, be around!)
[10:13] <HappyFool> pistol: if ubuntuguide.org has a method, and it works, you might as well use it
[10:13] <crimsun> jedipottsy: sec, looking
[10:13] <pistol> HappyFool, :( nope - cant find sun-j2re1.5 now since i have removed tux.org
[10:14] <Echylo> slaapwel iedereen :)
[10:14] <HappyFool> pistol: check which repositories ubuntuguide.org recommends
[10:14] <stjepan> oh
[10:14] <stjepan> It works
[10:14] <HappyFool> pistol: ubuntguide has 'deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted'
[10:14] <stjepan> I typed startx
[10:14] <HappyFool> pistol: and another line
[10:15] <stjepan> it works
[10:15] <HappyFool> stjepan: great
[10:15] <stjepan> but fonts in gtk programs are larger
[10:15] <stjepan> and text in terminal is grey
[10:15] <stjepan> but it was black
[10:15] <stjepan> :(
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone have any idea why teamspeak works on the kubuntu side of things and not ubuntu?
[10:15] <stjepan> that is not so great
[10:15] <stjepan> :(
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dosen't even show in the menu
[10:16] <cary> can anyone help me understand a little bit of syntax?
[10:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know there is no diffrence between the 2 but some how it seems to be diffrent
[10:17] <HappyFool> cary: in what language?
[10:17] <crimsun> jedipottsy: are you using default ubuntu?
[10:17] <crimsun> jedipottsy: i.e., not alsa-source from hoary/universe
[10:17] <lukus001> hey, i've just found out that cause i have amd64 build of ubuntu most of the application wont work and i need to install it via chroot for 32bit... but when i run synaptic32 bit it wont let me install realplayer properly..
[10:17] <jedipottsy> default ubuntu off disc
[10:17] <cary> HappyFool, in linux. im trying to compile an ubuntu kernel and i dont knwo all the stuff on the HowTo
[10:17] <cary> HappyFool, the line is make-kpkg --initrd --stem linux --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
[10:17] <jedipottsy> sound works fine in FC
[10:18] <cary> HappyFool, but ...?
[10:18] <HappyFool> cary: hmm, eek
[10:18] <jedipottsy> just have to go into alsamixer and enable a button
[10:18] <HappyFool> cary: but?
[10:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[10:18] <cary> HappyFool, hah. nice. ..the but is me not knowing what the hell that means
[10:18] <cary> i get the general jist
[10:18] <HappyFool> cary: that is something you need to type in a terminal window
[10:18] <crimsun> jedipottsy: you need the newer alsa-driver
[10:18] <crimsun> jedipottsy: I can walk you through the instructions
[10:18] <crimsun> jedipottsy: /join #alsa
[10:19] <HappyFool> cary: Applications -> System tools -> Terminal
[10:19] <jedipottsy> #alsa
[10:19] <cary> HappyFool, i know that. but the part where it says "kernel_image" ..do i need to replace that with the kernel imagine im trying to create?
[10:19] <HappyFool> cary: i don't think so
[10:19] <txero33> does anyone know how to view the sound settings in Ubuntu?
[10:19] <HappyFool> cary: i think make-kpkg can make different sorts of things, including module packages
[10:19] <vl0m> How do I change this lame Gnome Footprint logo on my Menu button?
[10:19] <pepsi> any suggestions on a tv tuner card?
[10:19] <crimsun> txero33: at what verbosity?
[10:19] <vl0m> I want a better icon
[10:19] <cary> HappyFool, i have already applied patches to the kernel file (which i cant find, i think) but iwas helped along by 'pfp' and so now i am a outch lost
[10:20] <crimsun> txero33: the lowest human-sensible format is the output from amixer
[10:20] <txero33> crimsun, all im trying to do is set up my sound card
[10:20] <txero33> crimsun, i think its not installed corectly
[10:20] <crimsun> txero33: what sound card?
[10:20] <HappyFool> cary: i'm afraid i don't know what the 'kernel file' is
[10:21] <txero33> crimsun,  not so sure this is a foreign computer to me
[10:21] <jedipottsy> txero33, in terminal alsamixergui
[10:21] <txero33> crimsun, its a new laptop i got
[10:21] <crimsun> txero33: ok, please paste the output from ,,lspci -v'' onto the paste web site noted in the topic
[10:21] <cary> HappyFool, well..i dont really knwo what all iam talking about. i had everything set up to compile a new kernel and i had patched the kernel source (?) and tried to compile it but there was an error at the end. im just trying to get back to whree i was.
[10:22] <HappyFool> cary: was it perhaps in /usr/src/linux-<something>' ?
[10:22] <HappyFool> cary: i presume you are doing all of this for a good reason, like unusual hardware?
[10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> uggh this is driving me buggy