[05:44] <GoingCrazy> yes
[05:44] <calamari> gravemin1: look on line 133 of your pastebin
[05:44] <GoingCrazy> i have a radeon 200
[05:44] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: because Microsoft keep the specifications for NTFS secret, so any Linux tool that works with NTFS is kind of guessing how best to work with it
[05:44] <marshall> ubuntu_cry: lol, thats why i love linux
[05:45] <cookthis> GoingCrazy: your gona have a very hard time installing beryl with an ATI, its tricky getting direct rendering working and opengl support at the same time ect ect
[05:45] <ubuntu_cry> Bad MIcrosoft pfuuu
[05:45] <cables> gravemin1, you can disable it and have it stay disabled for every new kernel by editing menu.lst
[05:45] <n2diy> cookthis: my guess is a Ubuntu bug. Gaming software isn't well supported in linux, since the game makers, and the folks that make the sound cards, don't release there specs to the linux folks.
[05:45] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus ok then leave
[05:45] <cookthis> ati linux drivers = *blurrt*
[05:45] <marshall> because MS is a bunch of baboons
[05:45] <GoingCrazy> but is it possible ?
[05:45] <cookthis> n2diy: okay thanks
[05:45] <Mixx> dooglus - thanks I'll check that out
[05:45] <cookthis> GoingCrazy: i tried for 2 days and i codun't do it
[05:45] <PwcrLinux> "powerchair bulldozed M$ out" hehehe
[05:45] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus i will try to put the drive in windows 2003
[05:45] <gravemin1> cables: I edited menu.lst before but the splash screen came back for the older kernel
[05:45] <billybob> marshall: sure, thats how bil gates became the riches person on earth, becasue he has loads of baboons working for him . . .
[05:45] <sable> Stopped Gnome, killed it, killed al lx process by number, and no more were running, did a killall and killall -9 on X
[05:45] <cookthis> but i wouldn't say its impossible
[05:45] <GoingCrazy> i was reading comments ... at least 2 or three people got it working with the same card
[05:45] <sable> and the x server is still running
[05:45] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: that's safer.
[05:46] <cables> gravemin1, did you edit it on the specific kernel, or on the automatic options section?
[05:46] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus THanks man
[05:46] <Mr1> Wireless help anyone?
[05:46] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: you may need to adjust the jumper on the drive to get it detected as a slave.
[05:46] <ubuntu_cry> Thanks of the all peoples for the help
[05:46] <cables> !wifi | Mr1
[05:46] <gravemin1> cables, the specific kernel line
[05:46] <ubotu> Mr1: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:46] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus ok that is not the problem.
[05:46] <sable> Is there a way to start Ubuntu without loading X?
[05:46] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: put it on a separate IDE cable if possible
[05:46] <gravemin1> calamari, cables: what does "quiet" do? maybe if I disable that it will give more debug info
[05:46] <cables> gravemin1, I can tell you where to edit it to make it permanent
[05:46] <calamari> gravemin1: my wife and I are going to go eat dinner.. good luck with your splash and speedup
[05:46] <gravemin1> cables: ok
[05:46] <cookthis> dooglus: select boot into debug mode
[05:46] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus ???? i have master and slave???
[05:46] <cables> gravemin1, it should
[05:46] <gravemin1> calamari: ok, thanks for all your help
[05:47] <n2diy> ubuntu_cry: gl man.
[05:47] <cookthis> dooglus: sorry wrong person
[05:47] <cables> gravemin1, do you want to do the splash disable now?
[05:47] <dooglus> cookthis: ?  have you got the wro... yes.
[05:47] <jen_> drooglus: which packages section is ntfsprogs in ?
[05:47] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus perdon i speak for the cables
[05:47] <gravemin1> cables: yes
[05:47] <cookthis> sable: boot into debug mode when your at the grub splash
[05:47] <ubuntu_cry> n2diy is it like gl driver?
[05:47] <marshall> billybob: i didnt say he had baboons working for him, i said that they are all baboons and I guess in this society, a baboon can be revered for being in the right place at the right time and stealing from people who trusted him
[05:47] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: hopefully everything is set up for auto-detect.  but it's possible that both your drives are set as 'masters'
[05:47] <trelayne> All,  I would like to install nvidia-glx-legacy  but for some reason, the apt-get says that it is referred to by another name?
[05:47] <n2diy> ubuntu_cry: gl, good luck. :)
[05:48] <sable> cookthis: what is GRUB?
[05:48] <marshall> billybob: imbecile
[05:48] <gravemin1> !GRUB
[05:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:48] <PwcrLinux> bootloader
[05:48] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: there's a little bit of plastic on some metal pins on the drive which you may need to move.  there will be a diagram near it showing what it means
[05:48] <ubuntu_cry> n2diy hmmm aha that was in program language gl >Th.Man
[05:48] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus ok i will try.
[05:48] <cookthis> sable: the default boot loader for ubuntu
[05:48] <ubuntu_cry> THanks again on all peoples
[05:48] <ubuntu_cry> im off.
[05:48] <dooglus> good luck
[05:48] <n2diy> ubuntu_cry: gl man, good luck, dude! :)
[05:48] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus thanks
[05:48] <sable> I don't use a bootloader, it boots straight into UBUNTU
[05:48] <cables> gravemin1, look for the line that says # defoptions
[05:49] <ubuntu_cry> n2diy ok lets see now.
[05:49] <zorba64> GRand Unified Bootloader
[05:49] <cables> gravemin1, remove "splash", then run "sudo update-grub"
[05:49] <gravemin1> cables: ok, found it
[05:49] <gravemin1> cables, what about "quiet"
[05:49] <cables> gravemin1, don't disable that there
[05:49] <gravemin1> ok
[05:49] <cables> gravemin1, if you want to do it temporarily, you can do that when you boot.
[05:49] <gravemin1> ok I deleted splash
[05:50] <gravemin1> I'm going to change default to point to the .10 kernel now too
[05:50] <cables> gravemin1, when you boot into the grub menu next time, just highlight the kernel you want to boot, hit e, and edit the kernel line to remove quiet.
[05:50] <gravemin1> cables: can I do that for splash as well?
[05:50] <cables> gravemin1, yes, if you want to do it temporarily
[05:51] <gravemin1> cool ok
[05:51] <cables> gravemin1, i thought you wanted it permanent?
[05:51] <gravemin1> no
[05:51] <gravemin1> I wanted to see why it was taking so long that's all
[05:51] <cables> gravemin, then make sure not to save the file
[05:51] <dooglus> gravemin1: deleting quiet will just make the boot less quiet...
[05:51] <gravemin1> dooglus: what do you mean?
[05:52] <dooglus> gravemin1: it'll display more messages about what's going on
[05:52] <cables> dooglus, that's what he wants...
[05:52] <dooglus> 'quiet' suppresses the messages
[05:52] <dooglus> cables: right.
[05:52] <gravemin1> dooglus: yeah, I want to see why it's so slow for the time being
[05:52] <cables> dooglus, gravemin1 wants to do that, so he can see what's going on, in case there's an error there
[05:52] <dooglus> I prefer not using quiet.  then I can see straight away what's taking the longest
[05:53] <gravemin1> cables: at this point, can I also add some more things to the grub menu?
[05:53] <cables> gravemin1, just don't screw anything up...
[05:53] <dooglus> cables: I don't think the update-grub step is needed - it updates automatically
[05:53] <sable> Odd
[05:53] <gravemin1> cables: I have another ubuntu partition I want to add to the boot menu, how do I do that?
[05:53] <cables> dooglus, if you edit the default options section, you do
[05:53] <sable> I can no logner start a terminal, it just says "starting terminal" and then disappears
[05:54] <cables> gravemin1, i have no idea...
[05:54] <n2diy> gravemin1: one thing at a time.
[05:54] <gravemin1> cables: It used to be on there. n2diy, lol ok
[05:54] <dooglus> cables: I'm not sure.  I don't think that's the case though
[05:54] <cables> dooglus, editing the default options won't change the individual kernels 'till you run that.
[05:55] <dooglus> cables: ok
[05:55] <cables> dooglus, if he edited the kernel lines he wouldn't have to do that, but the settings wouldn't stick.
[05:55] <sable> Any ideas besides restarting my comp that may fix the terminal so that it loads? (I'm in the middle of a download, so I don't want to restart)
[05:55] <lwizardl> Hi
[05:55] <sable> Hello
[05:56] <dooglus> I don't understand grub really.  I've got an old ubuntu partition that I want to delete, but I can't because that's where the grub menu is
[05:56] <cables> sable, use xterm instead
[05:56] <sable> cables: how do I start it?
[05:56] <cables> sable, terminal :)
[05:56] <cables> sable, just kidding
[05:56] <cables> sable, alt-f2
[05:56] <dooglus> alt-f2
[05:56] <sable> oh
[05:56] <deal> anyone know any thing about a wap 11
[05:56] <sable> I wanted to use in GUI terminal so I could copy and paste
[05:56] <lwizardl> anyone try ubuntu on a compaq proliant 6400r server
[05:57] <dabaR> dooglus: oh, come on, that is such a bad excuse...you should learn.
[05:57] <cables> deal, is that a wi-fi thing?
[05:57] <dooglus> sable: type alt-f2 then xterm
[05:57] <nothlit> dooglus: so move the menu and kernels..
[05:57] <sable> oh
[05:57] <sable> ok
[05:57] <deal> cables, ya made by linksys
[05:57] <cables> !wifi | deal
[05:57] <ubotu> deal: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:57] <dooglus> dabaR: I've got a copy of the menu on my 'live' partition, but it's never used.  how do I tell grub to use a different partition?
[05:57] <coach_z> can anybody help me to setup a computer boot from a network??? im a complete noob and will need a lot of help with this
[05:57] <deal> anyone know anything about m0n0wall
[05:58] <cables> !m0n0wall
[05:58] <sable> dooglus: I type xterm, hit run, and nothing happens
[05:58] <dooglus> !info m0n0wall
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about m0n0wall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <ubotu> Package m0n0wall does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[05:58] <deal> it's based on the bsd kernal
[05:58] <dooglus> sable: you can try control-alt-f1 to get to a terminal.  and alt-f7 to get back here.
[05:58] <n2diy> coach_z: if you are a newb, why would you attempt such an install?
[05:58] <cables> deal, then this is the wrong place to ask...
[05:58] <spike723_> is there informatin on getting ubuntu set up with root on nfs? ie: diskless ubuntu?
[05:59] <d0uglas> currently my wifi only fires up when i log in on a gnome session... how can i get it fired up on boot, before the desktop manager goes on?
[05:59] <deal> coach_z, you need a server to do a net install
[05:59] <cables> d0uglas, are you using NetworkManager?
[05:59] <d0uglas> yeah
[05:59] <zero-1> How can I run a test on my memory on X?
[05:59] <cables> d0uglas, no way to fix that i'm afraid... you have to use the regular system for that.
[05:59] <coach_z> n2diy: my spare HD kicked the bucket and that was to be used on this machine
[05:59] <d0uglas> and kde's equiv doesn't work so good
[06:00] <CoRnJuLiOx> ok, i've just installed the keyboard from the logitech cordless mx duo, and the F-keys aren't working
[06:00] <d0uglas> damn so to let mom use kde i gotta log in on a separate x session as myself on a gnome de?
[06:00] <IcemanV9> !netinstall | coach_z
[06:00] <ubotu> coach_z: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:00] <n2diy> coach_z: sorry, I mis-read your question, I thought you wanted to install over the network, not boot from it. Good luck.
[06:00] <dabaR> dooglus: well, I would have to read a little bit from the recovering grub wiki page to know exactly, but it is not hard. Or something similar on the help.ubuntu.com site.
[06:00] <coach_z> deal: okay, that sounds like i am just going to have to find a new HD
[06:00] <morka> hi all
[06:00] <spike723_> I have a nfs serve set up that I netboot freebsd and netbsd from
[06:00] <spike723_> but I wanna try with ubuntu also
[06:00] <spike723_> with a pxe client
[06:00] <sc4ttrbrain> hi guys :)
[06:00] <CoRnJuLiOx> is there something i need to do to get the f-keys working in linux?
[06:00] <morka> I have this browser appliance virtual machine from vmware, it's apparently loaded with ubuntu breezy
[06:00] <floobit> any advice on HAL failing and not being able to access user permissions?  should I wipe and start over?
[06:01] <morka> how do I upgrade it to at least dapper?
[06:01] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ?
[06:01] <morka> or even better, edgy
[06:01] <n2diy> morka: what are you running now?
[06:01] <cables> !hfs
[06:01] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:01] <morka> n2diy: breezy
[06:01] <dabaR> !upgrade > morka
[06:01] <IcemanV9> morka: change the sources.lst from breezy to dapper
[06:01] <morka> thats it?
[06:01] <d0uglas> then apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:01] <zero-1> how can i test my memory on X?
[06:02] <gravemin1> cables: so I save menu.lst then do sudo update-grub?
[06:02] <morka> allright
[06:02] <cables> morka, that's probably a bad idea
[06:02] <dooglus> !info memtester
[06:02] <ubotu> memtester: A utility for testing the memory subsystem. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.93.1-3.1 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 96 kB
[06:02] <cables> That's what I've heard...
[06:02] <morka> i was just expecting im going to get into a major mess
[06:02] <morka> cables, why is that?
[06:02] <IcemanV9> morka: yep and read more info from ubotu as well
[06:02] <n2diy> morka: Breezy is 5.10 right? Upgrade to Dagger, and, if you insist, then Edgy, but don't jump over Dapper.
[06:02] <cables> gravemin1, you should make a backup though...
[06:02] <dabaR> ya, about that dagger....
[06:02] <dooglus> zero-1: "memtester" is a console app.  is that OK?
[06:02] <gravemin1> just of the menu.lst file right?
[06:02] <n2diy> *Dagger/Dapper
[06:02] <morka> n2diy: so it's best to upgrade one step over?
[06:02] <cables> gravemin1, yep
[06:02] <zero-1> thanks dooglus
[06:02] <sc4ttrbrain> no , i can mount it automatically butr, i dont have read and write access to hfs+
[06:03] <IcemanV9> cables: morka is using vmware image :)
[06:03] <morka> yeah
[06:03] <kitche> !permissions | sc4ttrbrain
[06:03] <ubotu> sc4ttrbrain: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:03] <cables> IcemanV9, good point, not much to break
[06:03] <morka> so if it blows, i live:)
[06:03] <cables> yep :)
[06:03] <zero-1> the thing is I tried the memtest at boot but I dont know wheter is good or bad cn it be foxed or not it just wont stop
[06:03] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ? i can mount it as read only ...
[06:03] <n2diy> morka: no, don't skip a distro, follow the order.
[06:03] <cables> morka, you could just put an ubuntu install ISO as a CD and install to the vm...
[06:03] <morka> n2diy: is it better just to run a fresh install?
[06:03] <dooglus> morka: the only upgrade path supported is to go one step at a time
[06:03] <morka> cables, yes, but im willing to learn how to upgrade now
[06:04] <morka> before i jump in head first.
[06:04] <sc4ttrbrain> kitche, how to get read and write access in hfs+ partition ?
[06:04] <n2diy> morka: yes, IMO, provided you are backed up, or are willing to lose stuff.
[06:04] <morka> im not willing to lose anything
[06:04] <mharris_> hey i just installed awn from svn
[06:04] <morka> but im backed up.
[06:04] <gravemin1> cables: ok, I'm calling it a night
[06:04] <mharris_> after downloading the source
[06:04] <IcemanV9> morka: like others said, just go from breezy > dapper > edgy > soon-to-be feisty
[06:04] <mharris_> after make install
[06:04] <kitche> sc4ttrbrain: go tot the filepermssions link then to volume permission on that page
[06:04] <morka> allright
[06:04] <mharris_> when i type the executable in the command line
[06:04] <mharris_> it launches the old one
[06:04] <mharris_> what gives?
[06:05] <n2diy> morka: If /home isn't on it's own partition, and you don't know what you are doing, you should be learning how to back up, not upgrade.
[06:05] <kitche> mharris_: you sure it's the old one?
[06:05] <mharris_> yes
[06:05] <dooglus> mharris_: do "./awn" to run the awn in the current directory
[06:05] <IcemanV9> morka: just back up your vmware image overlay; so you can start over if need :)
[06:05] <mharris_> thats how i know
[06:05] <mharris_> when i new that on the new executable
[06:05] <morka> n2diy: i just copied my vmware image :)
[06:05] <mharris_> its different
[06:05] <dooglus> mharris_: or set your PATH variable to have the new executable's directory before the old one's
[06:05] <morka> IcemanV9, yeah, that's what ive done
[06:05] <n2diy> morka: I'm not familiar with VMware.
[06:06] <mharris_> how to remove the old one?
[06:06] <morka> its an emulator.
[06:06] <IcemanV9> morka: well, you're ready to go! :)
[06:06] <mharris_> id rather have the new executable be installed
[06:06] <morka> its doing something.
[06:06] <mharris_> when i run make install
[06:06] <kitche> mharris_: it is installed
[06:06] <kitche> mharris_: it's probably in /usr/local/bin
[06:06] <morka> oh well
[06:06] <n2diy> morka: Winders emulator? I will never be familiar with it then. :)
[06:06] <dooglus> mharris_: run "type aws" to see which one it's running
[06:06] <sc4ttrbrain> kitche, do u really know what my problem is? or just random info? because i know how to change it....
[06:07] <dabaR> !awn
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <mharris_> when i do which
[06:07] <mharris_> it says /usr/local/bin
[06:07] <dooglus> mharris_: when you did "sudo make install" it should have shown you where it installed to
[06:07] <morka> n2diy: its a cross platform emulator
[06:07] <kitche> sc4ttrbrain: yes I told you how to do it if you won't do it then it's your problem https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VolumePermissions is the page that you want exactly
[06:07] <morka> you can run anything on anything
[06:08] <morka> basically like xen or parallels.
[06:08] <pavs> debsum is running in the background and hogging my system how can i stop it
[06:08] <n2diy> morka: Anything on anything!? My Vic-20 stuff will run on it?
[06:08] <mharris_> hmm
[06:08] <dooglus> pavs: sudo pkill debsum
[06:08] <MikeB-> evening all
[06:08] <sc4ttrbrain> kitche,well i actually done it yesterday, but still i cant write on hfs+ partition :(
[06:08] <morka> n2diy: is it x86 :) ?
[06:09] <mharris_> it says nothing to be done for
[06:09] <mharris_> and then a bunch of files
[06:09] <morka> can I install debian packages on ubuntu?
[06:09] <morka> or is it a bad idea?
[06:09] <pavs> thanks but when I restart it will comeback, how can i stop it from runnig without permission'
[06:09] <DLB|Maximus> can someone tell me where i can get a list of third party repositories so i can install ndiswrapper?
[06:10] <n2diy> morka: Umm, no, if IRCC, it is Moto 6800, or something like that. Seriously, I'm wasting your time, maybe someone else can help you, good luck.
[06:10] <sc4ttrbrain> kitche,i m thinking that maybe i need third party software (some fuse fs) or anything to get write access
[06:10] <sable> DO any of you know of a good download manager/accelerator for linux?
[06:10] <yamathan> Quick question -- what's the verdict on DRI support in the most recent proprietary fglrx binary?
[06:10] <unop> !info ndiswrapper
[06:10] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[06:10] <unop> :o
[06:10] <yamathan> sable:  freeloader is good.
[06:10] <sable> Thanks
[06:10] <DLB|Maximus> unop: :)
[06:10] <yamathan> So is downloadthemall! in conjunction in terms of a Firefox extension.
[06:10] <unop> !info ndiswrapper-common
[06:11] <dooglus> morka: it's generally a bad idea
[06:11] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[06:11] <yamathan> wget is a good command-line one.
[06:11] <sc4ttrbrain> !hfs
[06:11] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:11] <unop> DLB|Maximus,  :) ^^
[06:11] <sc4ttrbrain> !fuse
[06:11] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[06:11] <yamathan> Y'know ...
[06:11] <DLB|Maximus> ubotu: its in the main?
[06:11] <yamathan> I hate to sound to snotty, but I just want my ATI card to work, you know?
[06:11] <sc4ttrbrain> ubotu is a bot ;)
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <DLB|Maximus> component main?
[06:12] <sable> Would it be beneficial to just install -Everything- in the package manager? That way I do not have to worry about installingany of them later?
[06:12] <n2diy> ! ubotu | DLB|Maximus
[06:12] <ubotu> DLB|Maximus: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot.   I don't care if the binary is proprietary or not for some applications.
[06:12] <unop> !language | yamathan
[06:12] <ubotu> yamathan: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:13] <yamathan> Oh, sorry unop.
[06:13] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: lol, i didnt expect a bot to answer my question when i didnt direct the question at it :)
[06:13] <n2diy> ! language | yamathan
[06:13] <sable> !language ubotu
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <sable> !language | ubotu
[06:13] <ubotu> ubotu: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:13] <unop> yamathan,  kids and women frequent this channel .. they'd appreciate some gentlemanleness :)
[06:13] <unop> !botabuse | sable  :)
[06:13] <ubotu> sable  :): Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:14] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: the bot didn't, I told it to.
[06:14] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: the first time i asked?
[06:14] <sable> Would it be beneficial to just install -Everything- in the package manager? That way I do not have to worry about installingany of them later?
[06:14] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: i must have missed that
[06:14] <yamathan> Eh, sometimes I forget that not everyone curses produsely.
[06:14] <yamathan> sable:  That'd be great if some packages don't contradict one another.
[06:14] <sable> Oh
[06:14] <yamathan> And if you have conflicting repositories ...
[06:15] <sable> So how do I stop X server?  I dont have grub, so I can't enter debug mode
[06:15] <yamathan> Hmm?  Isn't there a special boot --debug command?
[06:15] <dooglus> sable: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:15] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ? i can mount it as read only ...
[06:15] <sable> And I when i tell it to stop with /etc/init.d/gdm stop, it says it stopped it, but it doesn't.  I tried killing all the processes, it didn't work either
[06:16] <unop> yamathan,  have you followed the instructions as per !ati ?
[06:16] <yamathan> What's the verdict on ATI R300 support as of the 8.33.thingamajig?
[06:16] <yamathan> Unop, I'm a little leery -- the last time I did the DRI issues were ... not good.
[06:16] <shatrat> yamathan, r300 is 9x00 series right?
[06:17] <yamathan> *thingamajig = update
[06:17] <unop> yamathan,  things change quite fast with ubuntu -- :)
[06:17] <yamathan> I thought it was the x1000series.
[06:17] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: I missed something to, I told ubotu, to explain it was a bot to you.
[06:17] <yamathan> Unop -- I think it was ... what, four months ago?
[06:17] <unop> yamathan,  worth a try then , definitely :)
[06:17] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: i caught that part
[06:18] <yamathan> And THEN an apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade later and it all broke again.
[06:18] <yamathan> HARD.
[06:18] <dooglus> sable: run a "ps -Hef | less" and find the X process.  what's directly above it?
[06:18] <yamathan> I'll try though!
[06:18] <yamathan> The worst that can happen is that I'll need to try again.
[06:18] <yamathan> !ati
[06:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:19] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ? i can mount it as read only ...
[06:19] <morka> mac mini, ipod, some intel mainboards, and dell desktops are made in the same factory.
[06:19] <yamathan> This might be relevant to the ATI debate, though.
[06:19] <morka> interesting
[06:19] <yamathan> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=639&num=1
[06:19] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: im still confused about ndiswrapper though, for software soucres i have universe, main, multiverse, and restricted selected, but when i go to add/remove and search for ndiswrapper it doesnt find anything
[06:19] <yamathan> It's a site dedicated to Linux gaming.
[06:19] <yamathan> Special emphasis on video drivers, of course.
[06:19] <yamathan> That particular article is on the open-source vs. proprietary binary drivers for ATI cards.
[06:20] <samuel> anyone know how to enable mysql server from any host?
[06:20] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: I can't help, I'm not running any wireless cards here. Have you updated your sources?
[06:21] <yamathan> As great as benchmarks are, uh, I'd rather know if it'll play nice with DRI.
[06:21] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: after i selected the internet sources it downloaded a updated list if thats what your talking about...
[06:22] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: i was trying to figure out where to get a list of third party repositories, then i stumbled upon a howto that says to select universe to get ndiswrapper but it didnt help
[06:22] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: Ok, keep in mind, your packages are cached locally, so when you uninstall something, and go to fetch it again, your are just getting it from your cache.
[06:22] <sable> dooglus: what does X show up at in ps?
[06:23] <CoRnJuLiOx> how do i check where teh boot loader is installed? i've got 2 Hard drives in my pc rightn ow
[06:23] <lineman60> any one here good with wireless?
[06:23] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: this is a brand new install, and all i have done is add those sources
[06:23] <dooglus> sable: /usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 or something
[06:23] <IcemanV9> !wifi | lineman60
[06:23] <ubotu> lineman60: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:23] <Pelo> !wireless | lineman60
[06:23] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: what did you use to set up the new repos?
[06:24] <ubuntu_cry> hmm
[06:24] <ubuntu_cry> no
[06:24] <ubuntu_cry> WIndows say that this hard disk is RAW
[06:24] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: system > administration > software sources... i selected the other internet sources that were not checked and let it update
[06:25] <yamathan> Hmm ..
[06:25] <yamathan> *...
[06:25] <ubuntu_cry> doogys
[06:25] <ubuntu_cry> doogys no it won't work
[06:25] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: hi
[06:25] <yamathan> Is there any special characteristic I need to be aware of with this binary regarding All In Wonder cards?
[06:25] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus hi man
[06:25] <yamathan> It's supposed to be a Radeon x1300 effectively.
[06:25] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus it won't work man
[06:25] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: What ver. of Ubuntu are you running? On Dapper, I use sys-admin-synaptic.
[06:25] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: RAW, hmm.  not heard of that before.
[06:26] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus that say chkdsk
[06:26] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: what happened to break this windows install?  did you try resizing it, and that broke it?
[06:26] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: 6.10 edgy?
[06:26] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus i try and it can't do it
[06:26] <kazuka> when is ubuntu for playstation 3 gonna comeout?
[06:26] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: i mean 6.10 is that edgy?
[06:26] <Dingbat> Hello -- I've been running Ubuntu for two weeks now and I have just one irritant I can't seem to figure out.  My webcam (Creative) doesn't want to work (always getting a can't found /dev/video0 message) help?
[06:26] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: yes, but why did it break to start with?
[06:26] <Dingbat> Running 6.10 edgy
[06:26] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus i gnomepart
[06:26] <yamathan> Thanks for referring me to ati, everyone.
[06:26] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: So no Synaptic option in sys-admin?
[06:27] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus in gnomepart or in chkdsk
[06:27] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ? i can mount it as read only ...
[06:27] <yamathan> Especially you, unop.
[06:27] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: yeah, just found it in there...
[06:28] <dooglus> !fglrx
[06:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:28] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: Ok try that, there is a preferences option, or something like that in the menus, where you can click check boxes, to add the additonal repos.
[06:28] <ubuntu_cry> dooglus man i'm going to sleep good day.
[06:29] <dooglus> ubuntu_cry: good night.
[06:29] <DLB|Maximus> n2diy: i found it in there, whats the diff between add/remove and synaptic?
[06:29] <jen_> with Edgy ..how do i tell mgetty to respawn ie: inittab style
[06:29] <Dingbat> Hello -- I've been running Ubuntu for two weeks now and I have just one irritant I can't seem to figure out.  My webcam (Creative) doesn't want to work (always getting a can't found /dev/video0 message) help?
[06:29] <jen_> ?
[06:29] <leafw> mshade: the tutorial at ubuntu-in doesn't match: can't see the expected /dev/mapper/* device
[06:29] <dooglus> DLB|Maximus: synaptic is just a gui for the command line install/remove
[06:29] <n2diy> DLB|Maximus: It is there to confuse both the newbs and vets alike!
[06:29] <Wimpog> so does anybody know if there is an equivalent of inittab?
[06:30] <kazuka> when is ubuntu for playstation 3 gonna comeout??
[06:30] <Wimpog> in edgy
[06:30] <Pelo> DLB|Maximus,  synaptic gives you the choice of all the packages indivitualy,  add/remove is more program oriented and noob friendly
[06:30] <IcemanV9> !webcam | Dingbat
[06:30] <ubotu> Dingbat: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:30] <Pelo> dooglus,  you'Re thinking of apt-get
[06:30] <dooglus> Pelo: yes.  I forgot about the gui add/remote thing
[06:30] <n2diy> kazuka: when the moon falls down. :)
[06:30] <bobo> hey everyone I'm in trouble I have Fedora Core 6 with grub and I don't know how to restore my windows MBR and I don't have a windows installation CD nor a floppy disk drive
[06:30] <lineman60> IcemanV9  wifi works but it keeps dieing off,
[06:31] <DLB|Maximus> Pelo: it just confused me as add/remove didnt find ndiswrapper and synaptic did
[06:31] <bobo> Ubuntu also does not want to install over Fedora Core for some reason
[06:31] <DLB|Maximus> Pelo: so i was wondering what the diff was
[06:31] <Pelo> DLB|Maximus,  must be a repo issue or a typo,  I found it no problem
[06:31] <alexius> hey all
[06:31] <bobo> can anyone tell me how to fix MBR without a windows installation disk
[06:32] <gOLdenHaWK3D> bobo, configure ur grub
[06:32] <alexius> I have a problem regarding php, I currently am running lightspeed websever and I am trying to install a blog, The problem is it says I dont have php_uploads ON and on my php.ini it says I do.
[06:32] <IcemanV9> lineman60: even when you're at least 1/2 meter away?
[06:32] <fiberchunks> !grub
[06:32] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:32] <fiberchunks> !grub | bobo
[06:32] <ubotu> bobo: please see above
[06:33] <dooglus> bobo: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html ?
[06:33] <alexius> Can anyone help me?
[06:33] <dooglus> alexius: #php ?
[06:33] <alexius> dooglus: its regarding php for a webserver.
[06:34] <DLB|Maximus> Pelo: in add/remove?
[06:34] <kitche> alexius: so ask in lightspeed webserver channel not sure what it is though
[06:34] <jeffery> does anyone know where I can get php4-oracle drivers package ?
[06:35] <Pelo> DLB|Maximus,  I found it in synaptic,  it might not be in add/remove, add/remove is more for user program, not for services or libs
[06:35] <bobo> I don't want to restore grub dooglus, I want to restore the Windows MBR
[06:35] <bobo> but i dont have a windows CD
[06:35] <kitche> bobo: you need a windows install cd or a recovery cd
[06:35] <fiberchunks> indeed
[06:35] <Christopher> Hi
[06:36] <bobo> kitche: i dont have one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:36] <DLB|Maximus> Pelo: ok, thats what i was talking about, i found it in synaptic...
[06:36] <n2diy> kitche: , bobo, or a live linux cd that can get you into winders restore routine, I did that a couple of year ago with Knoppix
[06:36] <Christopher> My eth0 wont start when the machine is rebooted. I have to manually ifup eth0 for it to work.
[06:36] <Christopher> Can someone help me?
[06:37] <jeffery> does anyone know where I can get php4-oracle drivers package ?
[06:37] <KeysMaker> hi all
[06:37] <Pelo> Christopher,  patience in waiting for your answer,  also look up your problem in the forum
[06:37] <n2diy> Christopher: try system-admin-networking
[06:38] <ahave> could someone help me with setting up gcc?
[06:38] <leafw> hum, what to do when gparted is not listing a raid10 device, but dmraid -ay complains that the device is already active?
[06:38] <ahave> i get this error when compiling a simple prog;  error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[06:38] <ahave> is it not linking to the proper directory?
[06:39] <kitche> ahave: did you install build-essential
[06:39] <ahave> hmm, i dont remember doing so
[06:39] <ahave> with aptitude?
[06:40] <kitche> ahave: if that's what you use
[06:40] <ahave> indeed
[06:40] <sc4ttrbrain> is there a solution for read and write acces of HFS+ partition(mac os x) ? i can mount it as read only ...
[06:40] <ahave> alright, ill do that now
[06:40] <bobo> How can I fix the MBR WITHOUT A FLOPPY OR CD????
[06:40] <fiberchunks> prayer
[06:40] <gandalf[1] > heh
[06:40] <n2diy> ! shouting | bobo
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shouting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <Turophile> G'day guys
[06:41] <media_> I have a ubuntu box I'm setting up for family.  Sometimes they don't power off correctly and they have to do a recovery mode to system to boot (otherwise it says there are filesystem inconsistencies).  It also boots and requires the root password which they don't know.  Is there a way to remove the mantainence mode root password request, or to get around the filesystem inconsistency notice that requires an alternative boot method?
[06:41] <n2diy> ! caps | bobo
[06:41] <ubotu> bobo: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:41] <gandalf[1] > is it just me or are lots of things broken in edgy ?
[06:41] <sc4ttrbrain> its just u ;)
[06:41] <jen_> anyone setup a ttyS0 for mgetty iin /etc/event.d ?
[06:41] <n2diy> bobo: pay Bill Gates the ransom he wants for a winders disk, and re-install, and kiss all your stuff good bye.
[06:42] <fiberchunks> gandalf[1] , methinks it has to do with the latest kernel upgrade (at least from what I've read in channel past couple of days)
[06:42] <gandalf[1] > I was fighting for a long time trying to get a vnc server working
[06:42] <fiberchunks> bobo: more importantly, why don't you want to use grub to dual boot?
[06:42] <gandalf[1] > I thought I was a retard, until I blew it away and installed 6.06, then I got it working in half an hour
[06:43] <fiberchunks> gandalf[1] , don't feel bad, I _am_ a retard ;)
[06:43] <n2diy> media_: Yes, winders specializes in that type of operation.
[06:43] <jeffery> does anyone know where I can get php4-oracle drivers package ?
[06:43] <Turophile> I don't suppose that anyone here is running a Logitech Quickcam (Dell OEM)?
[06:43] <n2diy> media_: Otherwise, try configuring it as a kiosk.
[06:44] <fiberchunks> hrm, guess bobo didn't really want an answer
[06:45] <ahave> kitche, thanks. that fixed it up
[06:45] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile, webcam?
[06:45] <gandalf[1] > I'm also kindof annoyed that totem doesn't seem to want to open any files from network shares directly anymore
[06:45] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: mhm.  V4L2 only it appears.
[06:45] <gandalf[1] > once upon a time it worked
[06:45] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile,tried spca5xx?
[06:46] <gandalf[1] > must be regression with gstreamer-0.10
[06:46] <morka> the only reason people dont all switch to linux, is because windows comes preinstalled in the PCs
[06:46] <ahave> kitche, i was also trying to use apt to install JDK but after the install 'javac' was not in my bin directory
[06:46] <kitche> ahave: it might be in /opt/java
[06:47] <fiberchunks> morka, yes, but more importantly, windows is 'comfortable' to most people (ignore the spam, virii, trojans, etc)
[06:47] <ahave> kitche, well whereever it is.. i get the 'bash command : javac not found error
[06:47] <gandalf[1] > I wonder if there is going to be an updated release of edgy or something
[06:47] <gandalf[1] > like 6.10.1 or something
[06:47] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: not yet... does ubuntu have that in the tree or am I source scavenging again?
[06:47] <sc4ttrbrain> ahave,whereis javac ? ;)
[06:47] <morka> fiberchunks: it is comfortable, I get no spam virii or trojans
[06:47] <morka> and any software that you download, will work
[06:47] <gandalf[1] > there's some glaring mistakes right out of the box on that one
[06:47] <n2diy> morka: check the bug list, that is #1 on the list.
[06:47] <morka> but its not easy like that with linux
[06:47] <GForXe> it
[06:47] <fiberchunks> morka -- really?  get a copy of vista, and try out either ATI or nvidia drivers please
[06:47] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile,i m not in ubuntu right now but just look at sourceforge for webcam ;)
[06:47] <ahave> javac:
[06:47] <ahave> ahave@ahave-laptop:~/Downloads/test$
[06:48] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile,i forgot actualkly :)
[06:48] <fiberchunks> since the majority of windows pre-builts are now shipping with that phenomenal os
[06:48] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: sauce is there
[06:48] <ahave> kitche, err. dunno if that worked. but it just returned a line saying "javac:"
[06:48] <gandalf[1] > what are ati's linux drivers like these days?
[06:48] <drvegan> hello
[06:48] <kitche> ahave: which javac
[06:48] <morka> fiberchunks: i work for a large pc manufacturer, one of the big ones
[06:49] <ahave> kitche, what do you mean? Sun's?
[06:49] <morka> vista machines work flawlessly, nvidia/ati drivers included.
[06:49] <ahave> kitche, not IBMs
[06:49] <fiberchunks> gandalf[1] , better, but still crappy compared to nvidia binary from what I've heard :\
[06:49] <visored> is there an easy way to upgrade from breezy badger to the latest release?
[06:49] <drvegan> another chat help guy was helping me mount a partition and i got to the point where it shows the partition (i think) but it just says 12gb free and no files
[06:49] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: Found it.
[06:49] <kitche> ahave: the command which javac
[06:49] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile, i remember sum1 on the forum has the deb ;)
[06:49] <gandalf[1] > visored: really, I'm pretty impressed with how easy it is to compile and install NVidia's drivers _most_ of the time
[06:49] <warri0r> is ther any1 to kindly help me to install a fix for a bug
[06:50] <warri0r> :(
[06:50] <n2diy> visored: only with a fresh install, otherwise you have to work up through the chain.
[06:50] <ahave> kitche, what is that supposed to do? it does and returns nothing
[06:50] <fiberchunks> morka, if so, then why troll on #ubuntu?  Personally, I don't care what you use if it suits your needs, but I've heard a _lot_ of people complain about 3d accel in vista with either nvidia or ati drivers as of late
[06:50] <visored> work up through the chain?
[06:50] <morka> I dont troll
[06:50] <kitche> ahave: ok then for some reason you don't have javac installed if you install jdk
[06:50] <sc4ttrbrain> ahave, that command is to know which javac you are executing
[06:50] <ahave> ah
[06:50] <morka> big bucks are involved with things like that, fiberchunk, they get rectified rather quickly
[06:51] <morka> also, we ship linux on some of our machines:)
[06:51] <n2diy> 5.10-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:51] <ahave> hmm. do you have a link/tut for installing javac/ JDK?
[06:51] <sable> SO after restarting my computer a lot, and a lot of package installs, the NVIDIA installer now says it cannot find the kernel source tree.  I have installed everything that is involed with a kernel source, kernel dev, and kernel tree
[06:51] <sable> Any other ideas?
[06:51] <kitche> ahave: not really sicne I use the open source one now
[06:51] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: doesn't support the device
[06:51] <fiberchunks> fair enough -- I misunderstood your comment above then -- essentially, you are arguing _against_ the MS tax, correct?
[06:52] <sc4ttrbrain> Turophile, i have logitech quickcam messenger-- supported, dunno bout yours
[06:52] <kitche> !offtopic
[06:52] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:52] <n2diy> morka: that is a joke, they get fixed, renamed and you have to pay for them.
[06:52] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: Yeah, lsusb doesn't fit.
[06:52] <morka> MS products are not that expensive, I dont know why people think MS is expensive
[06:52] <morka> OEM versions of XP were something like 20-30$ ?
[06:52] <gandalf[1] > sable: make sure you have the _correct_ packages installed, I was running the -386 kernel, but the packages installed were for the -generic kernel
[06:53] <pate4ever> hey, can someone direct me to some literature about how to set up a proxy on my wireless
[06:53] <gandalf[1] > if that makes sense
[06:53] <morka> for homeuser they are practically negigible, its other things that make windows worse
[06:53] <gandalf[1] > I have no idea wtf the difference is
[06:53] <cafuego_> morka: Except you're not allowed to buy an OEM version and put it on your computer.
[06:53] <morka> cafuego: no, you can
[06:53] <gandalf[1] > other than they're in different directories
[06:53] <morka> every time you by a preload - you by an oem
[06:53] <drvegan> can someone help:  another chat help guy was helping me mount a partition and i got to the point where it shows the partition (i think) but it just says 12gb free and no files
[06:53] <cafuego_> You *can* is different from you *may*
[06:53] <morka> you can also buy an oem license yourself
[06:53] <n2diy> morka: you should take this to #ubuntu-marketing.
[06:53] <morka> its just that you have to agree you will be responsible for support
[06:53] <fiberchunks> really? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116200
[06:54] <fiberchunks> that's home basic
[06:54] <sc4ttrbrain> !offtopic
[06:54] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:54] <morka> my last offtopic phrase - I was talking about XP.
[06:55] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: can you see the files if you do 'sudo ls' ?
[06:55] <drvegan> i'll try
[06:55] <pate4ever> hey, can someone direct me to some literature about how to set up a proxy on my wireless
[06:56] <drvegan> says "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "mnt"."
[06:56] <leafw> what is the command line equivalent to gparted?
[06:56] <fiberchunks> leafw, parted
[06:56] <leafw> thanks
[06:56] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: that's weird
[06:56] <gandalf[1] > what kind of partition is it ?
[06:56] <drvegan> ntfs
[06:57] <sable> gandalf: I did not have the correct ones installed.  How do I find the current ones?  All that is in the package manager is 2.4, I have 2.6
[06:57] <drvegan> the guy told me to add the following lines:  "/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs rw,user,auto 0 0" and to download ntfs-3d
[06:58] <gandalf[1] > is it mounted ?
[06:58] <gandalf[1] > try 'sudo mount' and see
[06:58] <drvegan> i think so, it says the right amount of free space, will try that
[06:59] <drvegan> lot of stuff came up but it does not work
[06:59] <gandalf[1] > try 'sudo df;
[06:59] <gandalf[1] > err
[06:59] <gandalf[1] > 'sudo df'
[07:00] <graft> anyone really good at regular expressions, here?
[07:00] <drvegan> says "/dev/hda1             61440556  48609472  12831084  80% /mnt" for that partition, but still not able to access
[07:00] <graft> i.e., can you write a bash regexp to match a domain name?
[07:00] <Flannel> graft: #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:00] <graft> argh. i'm still banned from offtopic
[07:01] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: I think you might have to add some parameters for default permissions to that line in /etc/fstab
[07:01] <fiberchunks> wow offtopic in offtopic?   ;)
[07:01] <graft> i said something nasty to ubotu
[07:01] <zcat[1] > that's what I was thinking.. you can get banned from #offtopic?
[07:02] <Turophile> mmm... does anyone know if Ubuntu has microsoft core fonts as a package?
[07:02] <graft> msttcorefonts, Turophile
[07:02] <zcat[1] > msttf-fonts or something..
[07:02] <graft> !info msttcorefonts
[07:02] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[07:02] <Turophile> ta graft
[07:02] <fiberchunks> graft #bash perhaps?
[07:02] <corevette> is there anybody out there willing to digg my article?
[07:02] <sable> HOw do I find the skernel source files for my version?> the package manager only hase 2.4, I have 2.6
[07:02] <graft> ah thanks fiberchunks
[07:02] <Flannel> corevette: that's horribly offtopic
[07:02] <Turophile> graft: I'm a gentoo user.  Ubuntu is purely for my laptop because Gentoo has buggy patches at the moment
[07:02] <drvegan> will look at that
[07:02] <corevette> flannel, isn't it wonderful :-)
[07:02] <Flannel> !kernel | sable
[07:02] <ubotu> sable: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:02] <Turophile> Also, doesn't show up... heh.
[07:02] <Flannel> corevette: no.  Go elsewhere.
[07:02] <Turophile> Ah, typo
[07:03] <drvegan> how would i do that
[07:03] <zcat[1] > I just installed ubuntu on a 433MHz machine with 128M ram and a fairly old 6G drive. It's not very fast :(
[07:03] <fiberchunks> zcat[1] , shocking! ;)
[07:03] <zcat[1] > in fact words like 'glacial' spring to mind..
[07:03] <fiberchunks> heh
[07:03] <corevette> http://digg.com/mods/Finally_Firefox_s_Answer_to_Opera_s_Integrated_Torrent_Downloader_Bitfox
[07:03] <zcat[1] > Guess I should have tried xubuntu.
[07:04] <fiberchunks> change your DE to something like fluxbox or xfce perhaps?
[07:04] <maxxism> has anyone tried accessing an NFS share from an Edgy server to a mac client?  my NFS works great from Edgy to Edgy.  but I cant seem to get my mac to log in?  maybe a mac channel would be better????
[07:04] <zcat[1] > yeah, gnome is a bit heavy for it.
[07:04] <asc_> zcat: I recomment more ram, it runs fine on 500/256
[07:04] <graft> maxxism: i've done it
[07:04] <Turophile> Ubuntu has come a long way since 5.04
[07:04] <maxxism> graft any suggestions?
[07:04] <graft> maxxism: what're you using to mount with on the mac?
[07:05] <zcat[1] > I have 500mhz and 256m on my laptop and it's not too bad.. but I don't have any ram handy for this machine
[07:05] <graft> maxxism: if i recall correctly there's a mount_nfs command
[07:05] <nanothief> is there a way to backup downloaded packages? My internet is slow and it would take days to redownload
[07:05] <asc_> (128 costs like $10 these days)
[07:05] <maxxism> graft I tried that command.  it keeps saying operation not permitted.  even as root on the mac.
[07:05] <Flannel> nanothief: they're in /var/cache/apt
[07:05] <asc_> But in any case, just apt-get install xfce and set it to default in gdm
[07:05] <nanothief> Flannel: thanks
[07:05] <zcat[1] > It's getting hard to find ram that still works in the older mobos though
[07:06] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: try changing the "rw,user,auto" bit to "rw,user,umask=644"
[07:06] <maxxism> graft I think I put it like this.   mount_nfs 192.168,1.100:/sharename /mountpoint
[07:06] <zcat[1] > damn cat is on the desk trying to steal my dinner!
[07:06] <fiberchunks> zcat[1] , indeed -- perhaps a new $50 mobo with a new $75 proc is in order :)
[07:06] <fiberchunks> plus ram of course
[07:06] <graft> maxxism: mount -o -P servername:/sharename /mountpoint
[07:07] <drvegan> should i delete the 0's ?
[07:07] <maxxism> graft I tried it with the -P
[07:07] <maxxism> graft It mounts.  but then I cant access the folder I mounted it too
[07:07] <maxxism> graft it gives more permission errors
[07:07] <graft> maxxism: try it with mount -o, not mount_nfs
[07:07] <maxxism> graft what is the -o?
[07:08] <maxxism> graft ok.  will do.  thanx.  brb
[07:08] <graft> dunno, just some voodoo i found on some webpage
[07:08] <graft> no idea how mac mangled nfs
[07:08] <graft> or why
[07:09] <drvegan> its not working
[07:09] <zcat[1] > I just use smb everywhere .. even when the network is all linux machines!
[07:10] <n2diy> graft: voodoo!? cool, lots of voodoo in linux.
[07:10] <drvegan> i tried "sudo chown swimmerone /mnt"
[07:10] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: did you reboot it, or just manually unmount/remount it?
[07:10] <graft> n2diy: not linux, osx
[07:10] <drvegan> and it says "chown: changing ownership of `/mnt': Read-only file system"
[07:10] <drvegan> did not reboot
[07:10] <drvegan> the other guy told me i didnt need to, should i do that
[07:10] <n2diy> graft: that too.
[07:10] <gandalf[1] > I would try changing that bit from auto to umask=644
[07:11] <drvegan> should i delete the zero's when i do that
[07:11] <zcat[1] > mount /mnt -o remount,rw,umask=644
[07:11] <Trixsey> Edgy is somewhat unstable for me, do you guys think it might benefit me do update to Feisty?
[07:11] <n2diy> graft: for that matter, programming in general.
[07:11] <gandalf[1] > no
[07:11] <Turophile> This webcam seems to be useless
[07:11] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: what zcat said
[07:11] <drvegan> i add that to the code ?
[07:12] <drvegan> or type it in the terminal
[07:12] <zcat[1] > and if it works, make sure the apropriate umask is in /etc/fstab for next time.
[07:12] <gandalf[1] > drvegan, type what zcat said in the terminal
[07:12] <gandalf[1] > see if that helps
[07:12] <drvegan> says only root can do that
[07:12] <zcat[1] > sudo mount /mnt -o remount,rw,umask=644
[07:12] <n2diy> Trixsey: no, if Edgy is unstable, what do you think Feisty will be? I'm sticking with Dapper.
[07:12] <graft> Trixsey: if you find edgy unstable, feisty is bound to feel worse
[07:13] <gandalf[1] > I'm back to dapper
[07:13] <graft> Trixsey: what's unstable in edgy? i liked it way better than dapper
[07:13] <zcat[1] > actually, no.. sudo umount /mnt then go edit fstab and add the options "user,umask=644"
[07:13] <drvegan> still it says i dont have permission
[07:13] <gandalf[1] > edgy broke more things than I can count
[07:13] <maxxism> graft  -o gives me an unknown special file of file system.  -P is an illegal option.
[07:13] <crweb> why would apt-get repeatedly want to upgrade a package that I made? I apt-get dist-upgrade, and my 3 packages are marked for upgrade.  I upgrade them. then apt-get dist-upgrade and they are marked for upgrade again
[07:13] <graft> maxxism: with mount? or mount_nfs?
[07:14] <maxxism> graft mount
[07:14] <gortba_> Hi. If anyone can help, I'm trying to use anjuta and get this message: please add the files codeset.m4, gettext.m4, ... to autoconf directory. Does anyone know where the autoconf macro directory is?
[07:14] <gandalf[1] > drvegan:try 'sudo umount /mnt'
[07:14] <n2diy> gandalf[1] : Trixsey, after spending an afternoon here, I abandon all plans to "upgrade" to Edgy.
[07:14] <DLB|Maximus> can someone tell me how i change my wireless alias from eth1 to wlan0
[07:14] <gandalf[1] > then try that chown command again
[07:14] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[07:14] <DLB|Maximus> when i issue iwconfig it shows up as eth1 and not wlan0
[07:14] <graft> maxxism: argh. well, apparently the problem is, macs try to use an insecure port (i.e., > 1024) for NFS by default, even if you run it as root
[07:14] <zcat[1] > graft: just so we're clear; you mounting this on the ubuntu end, or in osx?
[07:14] <maxxism> graft  mount_nfs gives me an Operation not permitted.
[07:15] <Trixsey> n2diy, I wouldn't if I were you ;p
[07:15] <s0undt3ch> while trying to build my own kernel I got:
[07:15] <graft> zcat[1] : i'm not mounting it, maxxism is
[07:15] <s0undt3ch> /lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: File format not recognized
[07:15] <graft> zcat[1] : but he's exporting from ubuntu to osx
[07:15] <zcat[1] > sorry, maxxism
[07:15] <s0undt3ch> what's up!?
[07:15] <maxxism> yeah.  from ubuntu share to osx client
[07:15] <graft> maxxism: so you can solve this by exporting with the option 'insecure'
[07:15] <graft> maxxism: though... obviously this is not ideal
[07:15] <n2diy> Trixsey: wouldn't what, upgrade? It's not happening until LTS for Dapper is abandoned.
[07:15] <drvegan> now it says the free space from the linux partition
[07:15] <zcat[1] > ahhh... ok.
[07:15] <cafuego_> graft: Yup. There's a little utility called "NFS Manager" for OSX, it's your friend.
[07:16] <Trixsey> LTS doesn't really mean much though?
[07:16] <maxxism> graft I do this in my exports file on the ubuntu box?
[07:16] <Trixsey> I mean people here would help you with Edgy (no LTS afaik?) anyway
[07:16] <maxxism> I will try the NFS manager.
[07:16] <Trixsey> or even Feisty if you join #ubuntu+1
[07:16] <graft> maxxism: yeah, /etc/exports
[07:16] <gandalf[1] > I basically "upgraded" to edgy to see if one problem would go away
[07:16] <gandalf[1] > it didn't
[07:16] <drvegan> why is this so difficult
[07:17] <n2diy> Trixsey: my boxes are happy with it, and I rarely see question here about it, I'm happy when the boxes are happy.
[07:17] <gandalf[1] > and about 8 other things broke
[07:17] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: because linux hates ntfs ;)
[07:17] <drvegan> apparently
[07:17] <s0undt3ch> so anyone got any pointers about this libc6 prob?
[07:17] <Trixsey> external HDDs on NTFS is ok?
[07:17] <Trixsey> or not? :(
[07:17] <ahave> i have a problem with ubuntu... the gnome environment will not launch any system windows, ie. terminal, system monitor, places>>computer etc  - how to fix this?
[07:17] <graft> linux doesn't hate NTFS - NTFS hates the world
[07:17] <gandalf[1] > hehehe
[07:17] <graft> at least linux TRIES to be friends with NTFS
[07:17] <drvegan> yeah ms sucks, but if i cant get this to work, i'm stuck with it
[07:18] <nephish> hello all
[07:18] <zcat[1] > NTFS doesn't play well with others..
[07:18] <EE> Hello I have a newbie question
[07:18] <gortba_> Hi. If anyone can help, I'm trying to use anjuta and get this message: please add the files codeset.m4, gettext.m4, ... to autoconf directory. Does anyone know where the autoconf macro directory is?
[07:18] <drvegan> been working on this hard drive thing for 2 hours
[07:18] <graft> ahave: can you launch stuff to X from the console?
[07:19] <ahave> graft, if i could open up a console.. maybe?
[07:19] <graft> ahave: ctrl-alt-f1
[07:19] <n2diy> gandalf[1] : off the top of my head, no disk manager, no inittab, NV and ATI support seems to be broken, etc...
[07:19] <graft> ahave: export DISPLAY=:0, etc.
[07:20] <EE> I am unable to get the Ubuntu 6.10 installer to finish loading. "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!"
[07:21] <ahave> graft, what will that do?
[07:21] <drvegan> is there any more i can do ?
[07:21] <zcat[1] > EE: do the disk self-test first...
[07:21] <ahave> graft, the export line
[07:21] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: are you on 6.10 ?
[07:21] <drvegan> i think so
[07:22] <gandalf[1] > try these instructions: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access
[07:22] <graft> ahave: um... that tells it that it should try to run xwindows applications on display 0
[07:22] <gandalf[1] > it might help
[07:22] <gandalf[1] > I've never used the ntfs-3g package
[07:22] <drvegan> i'll try
[07:22] <zcat[1] > EE: then try things like noapic ..
[07:22] <Turophile> sc4ttrbrain: Mmm, no joy here
[07:22] <gandalf[1] > so I can't tell you if it actually *works* or not
[07:22] <graft> ahave: so if you subsequently run, like, xclock, or whatever, it'll open it in X
[07:22] <graft> ahave: or tell you why it can't
[07:22] <EE> acat[1] : I'm sorry I have no idea what tha means?
[07:22] <Turophile> It says I've got the driver up and running, but no joy with actually running/testing the device out.
[07:23] <Turophile> And /dev/video hasn't appeared... there's the problem
[07:23] <zcat[1] > EE: when you first boot the disk, there should be a few different options; one of them will have the disk check itself for errors.
[07:23] <drvegan> says something about broken packages
[07:23] <EE> zcat[1] : ok I will take a look. I remember a memory check
[07:23] <drvegan> ntfs-3g: Depends: fuse-utils (>= 2.5) but it is not going to be installed
[07:24] <ahave> graft, said something about missing charset.. and when i switched back over ctrl-alt-f7 the clock came up
[07:24] <zcat[1] > EE: There's also some hints about common problems if you press the function keys, I think F6 is one.... you can 'switch off' features that some computers often have trouble with
[07:24] <drvegan> is there any way to get more rows in the area that has the buttons to choose what program you're looking at
[07:24] <gortba_> Hi. If anyone can help, I'm trying to use anjuta and get this message: please add the files codeset.m4, gettext.m4, ... to autoconf directory. Does anyone know where the autoconf macro directory is?
[07:25] <graft> ahave: okay... so not an X problem, it's a gnome problem...
[07:25] <EE> zcat[1] : its a toshiba satellite U200. haven't found much info on it yet
[07:25] <graft> ahave: what's running, gnome-wise?
[07:25] <drvegan> so fuse utils is needed and can't be installed ?
[07:25] <zcat[1] > ahh.. laptops are often difficult :(
[07:26] <ahave> graft, xchat, firefox 2 term windows - one on terminal other running kismet
[07:26] <Turophile> nano -w /etc/modules.conf
[07:26] <Turophile> bah wrong window
[07:26] <graft> ahave: um, oh, sorry... i thought nothing at all was running
[07:26] <whyameye> I don't understand how the latest kernel update broke Gnome and still hasn't been fixed....
[07:26] <Turophile> wrong box as well for that matter :P
[07:26] <graft> ahave: uh, so what doesn't launch?
[07:26] <gandalf[1] > drvegan: I'm not sure, you could be missing a repository for it, have you enabled the universe/multiverse repositories ?
[07:26] <ahave> graft, nothing new will launch
[07:27] <EE> zcat[1] : yes unfortunalty they seem to be. give me m$ and I can turn it up-side down. give me linux and I'm lost :S
[07:27] <graft> ahave: can you restart the launcher app?
[07:27] <ahave> graft, only exception is firefox
[07:27] <drvegan> i dont know what that means
[07:27] <graft> ahave: maybe you accidentally uninstalled everything?
[07:27] <ahave> graft, how? and what will that do?
[07:27] <drvegan> i'm looking in synaptic package
[07:28] <warri0r> hello
[07:28] <warri0r> any1 know hw to apply the fix for nautilus
[07:28] <warri0r> i m a damn newbie to linux
[07:28] <warri0r> some1 help plz :(
[07:28] <n2diy> warri0r: what fiy
[07:29] <n2diy> *fiy/fix
[07:29] <graft> ahave: try running gnome-terminal from within one of your terminal windows
[07:29] <warri0r> hey
[07:29] <warri0r> ye tat nautilus
[07:29] <warri0r> high cpu usage
[07:29] <warri0r> bug
[07:29] <n2diy> warri0r: ?
[07:29] <drvegan> i tried to install ntfs 3g, it says
[07:29] <drvegan> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:29] <drvegan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:29] <ahave> i typed 'gnome-terminal' from one of my open terms, and it just hangs...
[07:29] <zcat[1] > drvegan: sudo ?
[07:30] <drvegan> what does sudo mean, people keep asking me to type it
[07:30] <zcat[1] > !sudo
[07:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:30] <redbox> drvegan: type man sudo to find out
[07:30] <drvegan> i understand programming to some degree, just very unfamiliar with linux
[07:30] <ahave> if i try to lauch a term by clicking on a link from my desktop. i can see a bottom tab open up.. then hang.. then tab disappears
[07:30] <drvegan> cool
[07:30] <zcat[1] > ahave: alt-F2 and type "xterm" perhaps?
[07:30] <graft> ahave: um, just hangs is weird
[07:30] <gandalf[1] > drvegan, it's giving you that since synaptic is open
[07:31] <warri0r> @<n2diy> theres a fix available to prevent nautilus from using high cpu
[07:31] <Hmmmm> hi guys, i need some urgent help. i "rm -rf'd" a direcotry. any way i can recover it?
[07:31] <drvegan> cool gan
[07:31] <ahave> graft, alt-f2 and 'xterm' does nothing
[07:31] <warri0r> here is the fix files
[07:31] <zcat[1] > Hmmmm: in short, no.
[07:31] <warri0r> http://people.ubuntu.com/%7Eseb128/debug/54684/
[07:31] <n2diy> warri0r: For what version of Ubuntu?
[07:31] <Hmmmm> zcat[1] , are you sure?
[07:31] <warri0r> its edgy
[07:31] <Mr1> Hmmmm: Why would you do that?
[07:31] <graft> Hmmmm: pretty much no
[07:32] <zcat[1] > "Are you sure?" is something rm -rf never asks..
[07:32] <relix> Hi, I have a question about gnome-terminal, but I don't get any answers in ##gnome so I tought I should try here
[07:32] <warri0r> wait a min, i ll get a link to tat bug report
[07:32] <relix> I would like to start a gnome-terminal and execute a command with a delay in it
[07:32] <drvegan> Reading package lists... Done
[07:32] <Hmmmm> zcat[1] , no data recovery tool could find it?
[07:32] <drvegan> Building dependency tree
[07:32] <n2diy> warri0r: Sorry, I don't have that problem with Dapper, good luck.
[07:32] <drvegan> Reading state information... Done
[07:32] <drvegan> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:32] <drvegan> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:32] <drvegan> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:32] <inazad> Hi there, I can't receive messages with Evolution.. It can't connect to my pop server.. It still waiting
[07:32] <drvegan> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:32] <drvegan> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:32] <drvegan> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:32] <drvegan> that package should be filed.
[07:32] <drvegan> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:32] <drvegan> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:32] <drvegan>   ntfs-3g: Depends: fuse-utils (>= 2.5) but 2.3.0-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[07:32] <relix> for example: gnome-terminal -e="sleep 3; echo 'hello'"
[07:32] <drvegan> E: Broken packages
[07:32] <graft> !pastebin | drvegan
[07:32] <ubotu> drvegan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:32] <Mr1> rm -rf / is like crack for linux haha
[07:33] <drvegan> what do you mean graft
[07:33] <relix> that doesn't work though, anyone know why?
[07:33] <graft> i mean, don't spam the channel
[07:33] <drvegan> oh
[07:33] <tritium> Mr1: don't do that
[07:33] <Mr1> Don't plan to
[07:33] <tritium> !paste > drvegan
[07:33] <relix> the terminal appears and dissapears so quickly I can't see what's going on, possibly an error
[07:33] <Hmmmm> Hmmmmmmmmm
[07:33] <tritium> Mr1: no, I mean don't mention that in here
[07:33] <Mr1> Why not?
[07:33] <drvegan> adapting to linux is more difficult than installing windows
[07:33] <tritium> Because someone might mistake that as advice, and try it
[07:34] <Mr1> Hmmm good point
[07:34] <Mr1> Sorry
[07:34] <tritium> Worse yet, they may use sudo
[07:34] <warri0r> @n2diy: here the link abt the bug
[07:34] <warri0r> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/54684
[07:34] <graft> ahave: um, can you launch xeyes from one of your terminals? or run, say, ls?
[07:34] <warri0r> ther are some fixes available
[07:34] <tritium> Thanks, Mr1
[07:34] <drvegan> do  you think a local linux users group might be able to help if i brought my laptop to them
[07:34] <warri0r> but hw can i install them :(
[07:34] <Mr1> trit sudo rm would remove everything right?
[07:34] <inazad> Hi there, I can't receive messages with Evolution.. It can't connect to my pop server.. It still waiting
[07:34] <tritium> Mr1: yeah, if the password was given
[07:34] <zcat[1] > Mr1: yes, and surprisingly quickly too..
[07:35] <unop> Mr1,  except a directory -- for which you use rmdir
[07:35] <Mr1> I know
[07:35] <Mr1> I have tried ti
[07:35] <Mr1> it*
[07:35] <ahave> graft, yes. xeyes does run.. and as far as navigation of the filesystem the term acts normal
[07:35] <n2diy> warri0r: Ok, if it is a know bug, you'll have to live with it until it gets fixed. That is why I stay with Dapper.
[07:35] <tritium> inazad: must be your configuration, as evolution can connect to pop servers, and has been able to for years
[07:35] <ny83> hi just about to reinstall ubuntu - was using dapper for a while and installed edgy but i cant quite remember if i had any problems with it. i know theres trouble upgrading from dapper to edgy but are there any major known problems with a fresh edgy install?
[07:35] <warri0r> no man theres a fix released for tat
[07:35] <ahave> graft, but in general nothing will launch. except xeyes, which besides FF are the only 2 to do so
[07:35] <VSpike> can anyone tell me an easy way 1) To tell which kernels I haeve installed and 2) To remove a kernel?
[07:35] <VSpike> I get confused by the different kernel packages
[07:36] <chris_> unop: wrong, sudo rm -Rf / will remove everything... EVERYTHING
[07:36] <tritium> inazad: are you running feisty?  You're asking in the wrong channel, in that case.
[07:36] <Mr1> Can anyone help me with my wireless?
[07:36] <inazad> tritium, yeah but how I can fix it ?
[07:36] <tritium> !wireless
[07:36] <inazad> tritium, no edgy
[07:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:36] <Hmmmm> chris_, are you sure no data recovery can bring it back?
[07:36] <warri0r> @n2diy : the problem i dont know hw to install the fix
[07:36] <tritium> inazad: what's the question?
[07:36] <warri0r> is*
[07:36] <Mr1> Its kind of specifi
[07:36] <drvegan> thank you for trying to help, have a good night
[07:36] <Mr1> specific*
[07:36] <inazad> tritium, I can't connect to my email' pop server..
[07:36] <cables> Who 'rm -rf /'d?
[07:36] <unop> VSpike,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[07:36] <qwerty967> help! nautilus won't connect to remote servers
[07:36] <warri0r> plz help dude
[07:36] <relix> so, no one?
[07:37] <n2diy> warri0r: The page says it has been fixed. I don't know how to do the fix either, have you updated recently?
[07:37] <chris_> Hmmmm: that was not the question, re-read what was stated to understand
[07:37] <Mr1> I would like to be able to cut the power to my Belkin transmitter
[07:37] <Mr1> Anyone?
[07:37] <tritium> inazad: again, check your configuration.  Did you specify the server/port correctly, etc.?
[07:37] <warri0r> no i havnt updated since install
[07:37] <unop> chris_,  i wasnt born yesterday -- it's better to use rmdir on directories
[07:37] <inazad> tritium, wait, I will open my configuration menu.. plz wait me
[07:37] <VSpike> unop: thanks
[07:37] <warri0r> whenever i try to update , my ubuntu never boots up
[07:37] <atomiku-linux> When I have something playing in XMMS, theres no sound in Enemy Territory. what can I do to fix this?
[07:37] <n2diy> Mr1: disconnect the power cord?
[07:38] <tritium> inazad: only you can double-check your config.  Check it against your server settings.
[07:38] <graft> ahave: um, so basically, everything but gnome apps runs
[07:38] <zcat[1] > I use -rf far too much too.. once or twice I've nuked important stuff... fortunately I have backups of anything important.
[07:38] <cables> atomiku-linux, install packages "alsa-oss" and lanch the game as "aoss <game>"
[07:38] <Mr1> n2d: well Yeah but I want to turn off the power through my laptop any ideas?
[07:38] <unop> VSpike,  make sure you _never_ uninstall the kernel you are running eh :)
[07:38] <qwerty967> nautilus won't connect to remote server... what could be wrong?
[07:38] <zcat[1] > it keeps the box clean :)
[07:38] <warri0r> @n2diy: they asked me to use the following files to fix the bug
[07:38] <atomiku-linux> cables: hmmm okay
[07:38] <warri0r> http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/debug/54684/
[07:38] <graft> ahave: so, possibly some gnome daemon died, or is hung up on something... did you try restarting gnome?
[07:39] <tritium> unop: you can, if you install a new one before you do so
[07:39] <ahave> graft, yea. i suppose. although xterm wouldnt bring up xclock
[07:39] <cables> !info alsa-oss > me
[07:39] <chris_> unop: I was stating either way as a better method, but you said except a directory -- for which you use rmdir, which will remove a directory as well, but the # sudo rm -Rf / will wipe your entire root directory.. nothing will be left.
[07:39] <ahave> graft, no. i have not restarted anything
[07:39] <atomiku-linux> !info alsa-oss > me
[07:39] <inazad> tritium, but I don't understand, I use the same settings with thunderbird and it works great... in Evolution, I'm just able to send message (smtp) ... not to receive...
[07:39] <ahave> graft, how would i restart just gnome?
[07:39] <atomiku-linux> seems a little unnessesary though but okay
[07:39] <n2diy> Mr1: the easiest way is to disconnect the power cord. I'm waiting for your link to come up.
[07:39] <graft> ahave: logout? or ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:40] <Mr1> Like ifconfig eth1 down will kill the connection through my laptop... I want to cut the connection to my trnasmitter
[07:40] <tritium> inazad: possibly have to setup the proper port for authentication?
[07:40] <n2diy> ! oubuntu
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <unop> tritium,  thats errm, a risky thing to do.. especially since you have no idea how the new kernel is going to fare -- also "do you saw off the branch you are sitting on" ?
[07:40] <cables> atomiku-linux, it's necessary... the game is trying to use OSS, but you want it to use ALSA, which supports sound mixing. Alsa-oss lets that work.
[07:40] <zcat[1] > Are there really no decent tools for recovering etx3? I've seen plenty for fat32 and ntfs (even Free ones!)
[07:40] <warri0r> so anyone cud help me regarding tat :( ?
[07:40] <inazad> tritium, why ?
[07:40] <n2diy> Mr1: Sorry, I don't know anything about those files, good luck.
[07:40] <Mr1> Damn
[07:40] <inazad> tritium, it doesn't ask me..
[07:40] <warri0r> it bags 95%of my cpu :(
[07:41] <Mr1> N2d: So no matter how I try to disconnect wireless it will only kill the interface right?
[07:41] <ny83> any known problems with fresh edgy installs?
[07:41] <atomiku-linux> hmm
[07:41] <zcat[1] > etx3 :) I need a spelling checker in xchat..
[07:41] <unop> chris_,  i dont know why you are advertising rm -rf .. rmdir is the way to go, its safer, it prompts you if you have subdirectories or files and is consequently safer .. i know what rm -rf but i will never ever use it unless i really really have to
[07:42] <ahave> graft, ok i will try that... i will be back. i hope :)
[07:42] <zcat[1] > unop: even safer, drag folder to trash in gnome :)
[07:42] <tritium> unop: I never said you _should_ do it, but it can be done, and it's not that terrible
[07:42] <inazad> tritium, and I can't change it..
[07:42] <dougb> who here is using feisty?
[07:42] <tritium> Please take the "rm -rf" talk to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:42] <inazad> tritium, can we see the logs of evolution somewhere?
[07:43] <cables> dougb, go to the channel #ubuntu+1
[07:43] <tritium> dougb: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[07:43] <unop> tritium,  heh, rm -Rf /  is not terrible .. even the mention of it is  .. the !ops will let you know about that
[07:43] <atomiku-linux> the thing is, cables, the sound works fine on ET without using that aoss thing
[07:43] <tritium> unop: I am an op ;)
[07:43] <dougb> sweet, i didn't know it had it's own channel
[07:43] <unop> tritium,  ok, well, then you know better to say things like that :)
[07:43] <tritium> And I was referring to removing the running linux-image kernel
[07:43] <inazad> tritium, u're there ?
[07:43] <tritium> unop: you misunderstood
[07:43] <cables> atomiku-linux, I know... but if you want ET not to steal sound from other apps, you need to run it under ALSA.
[07:44] <chris_> unop: I wasn't advertising anything, you stated  except a directory -- for which you use rmdir, Implying that # sudo rm -Rf / would not delete a directory, when in fact it does!
[07:44] <atomiku-linux> Ahh okaty then
[07:44] <tritium> Now please, take the rm -rf talk to -offtopic
[07:44] <unop> tritium,  my bad my bad -- sorry, its just your post came after zcat[1] 's there and i assumed it was the same topic
[07:44] <atomiku-linux> btw, the sound quality is very bad and choppy on ET now
[07:44] <atomiku-linux> (when I use aoss...)
[07:44] <cables> atomiku-linux, no idea how to fix that, sorry
[07:44] <chris_> unop: I was simply correcting your mis-informing statement you made to everyone.
[07:44] <atomiku-linux> thanks for the help so far though :)
[07:45] <unop> chris_,  its not misinformation -- its just the way it should be and has been .. and FYI a directory is a file :)
[07:46] <zcat[1] > arghhh..
[07:46] <Eleaf> ahh!  My printer stopped working ;(
[07:46] <Mr1> Since when did a file become a dir?
[07:46] <inazad> tritium, ??
[07:46] <cables> Mr1, since forever in Unix... everything's a file...
[07:46] <zcat[1] > -offtopic, please!!
[07:46] <Eleaf> It was printing just a second ago, but now when I try to print, the printer says "Put letter, standard paper in tray 1"
[07:46] <Eleaf> There is paper.
[07:47] <Eleaf> Printing is so bad in linux...
[07:47] <unop> Mr1,  thats the way directories (or anything for the matter) are represented in a filesystem on *nix
[07:47] <cables> !offtopic | Eleaf
[07:47] <ubotu> Eleaf: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:47] <n2diy> Mr1: linux/unix treats everything as a file.
[07:47] <tritium> inazad: yes?
[07:47] <posingaspopular> chris_: some info for you.
[07:47] <zcat[1] > Eleaf: there's paper in the printer?
[07:47] <Eleaf> cables, ??
[07:47] <Eleaf> yes zcat[1]
[07:47] <chris_> posingaspopular: hey man, how are you
[07:47] <Mr1> So if I type mkdir blag it creates a writeable file instead of a folder?
[07:47] <Eleaf> zcat[1] , windows prints fine .
[07:47] <Eleaf> I tried resetting up the printer, but it still doesn't print.
[07:47] <Eleaf> I have a huge project due very soon.
[07:47] <posingaspopular> apparently the problem we ran into is a problem with ubuntu reading / as root file
[07:48] <unop> Mr1,  well technically yes, but for the sakes of usability, no
[07:48] <cables> Eleaf, you said it works in windows, print from windows...
[07:48] <gandalf[1] > what kind of printer ?
[07:48] <posingaspopular> a known bug i should say
[07:48] <Mr1> Ok I got ya
[07:48] <n2diy> Mr1: linux/unix treats everything as a file. Folders don't exsist in linux.
[07:48] <Eleaf> cables, it's too hard to get all my data over there..
[07:48] <posingaspopular> how are you btw?
[07:48] <Eleaf> I have like 20 files
[07:48] <cables> Eleaf, email to self, put on memory card/floppy/cd
[07:48] <inazad> tritium, so, what I can do ? nothing it's working...
[07:48] <Eleaf> cables, that's rediculous.
[07:48] <inazad> tritium, anyone here can download his messages ?
[07:48] <Eleaf> And why does linux not have that many options for quality?
[07:48] <Eleaf> (cups)
[07:48] <cables> Eleaf, why not do that first, then fix the printing when you actually have time?
[07:49] <unop> Mr1,  on some *nixes if you use cat on a directory .. you get some info .. cat on linux warns you tho
[07:49] <cables> Eleaf, it's not linux, its' the driver.
[07:49] <Eleaf> cableroy, because it was working 1 minute ago
[07:49] <Eleaf> I try to change the quality and it doesn't work..  I put all the settings back.
[07:49] <valehru> hey guys, need help over here.  I think my kernel updated and now my drivers are not working for nvidia......can anyone help me out?  I have a 6600GT, and I am now unable to run glxgears
[07:49] <Eleaf> It's the middle of the night, and the printer with linux is always the weakest part.
[07:49] <zcat[1] > Eleaf: did you change anything in the app you're printing from (like paper size) that might make it think it's supposed to use a different paper source?
[07:49] <Eleaf> zcat[1] , it can't even do a test print.
[07:49] <cables> why the hell did the updates cause so much trouble? Seriously, don't they QA these things?
[07:50] <Eleaf> zcat[1] , so I don't believe so.
[07:50] <zcat[1] > that is weird.
[07:50] <tritium> inazad: whose messages?
[07:50] <unop> cables,  can every single package developer take into consideratione ever single different setups on the millions of setups around the world -- you're just a victim of fate :)
[07:50] <graft> cables: everyone's setup is in a different state at different times, it's hard to QA everything
[07:50] <Eleaf> grr
[07:51] <inazad> tritium, anyone can't download his emails from Evolution ?
[07:51] <inazad> tritium, I'm alone with this problem ?
[07:51] <cables> unop, graft, it's mostly Nvidia problems.
[07:51] <gandalf[1] > try 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart' from a terminal
[07:51] <zcat[1] > Eleaf: sounds like your easiest option for now is just to copy the files to Windows.. :(
[07:51] <graft> cables: that's even less ubuntu's fault
[07:51] <cables> graft, true
[07:52] <mykhul> can anyone recommend a shell based torrent program?
[07:52] <tritium> inazad: it's not an evolution problem.  Likely you've not configured it right.
[07:52] <zcat[1] > If nvidia would just open their damn drivers (hello, comply with the GPL anyone?!) it would be a lot less hassle
[07:52] <n2diy> tritium: Maybe, google will tell if you are alone.
[07:52] <cables> zcat[1] , easier said than done
[07:52] <Eleaf> hmm
[07:52] <tritium> n2diy: ?
[07:52] <unop> cables,  ahh and thats more of an issue -- since that's non-free/proprietary stuff, it's not even ubuntu's responsibility really although they do package the binaries
[07:52] <graft> zcat[1] : never gonna happen...
[07:52] <inazad> tritium, hmmm...
[07:52] <n2diy> tritium: you do know how to use a search engine, no?
[07:52] <cables> I wonder if Novou will ever get anywhere
[07:53] <gandalf[1] > they really can't open up video drivers
[07:53] <tritium> n2diy: what are you getting at?
[07:53] <zcat[1] > would happen overnight if the choice was comply or stop selling the chipset for embedded stuff like pvr's and games..
[07:53] <Mr1> How do I write to a file in bash?
[07:53] <gandalf[1] > it would allow too much ip about the way the graphics chips work out in the wild
[07:53] <Mr1> Hello world > myfile
[07:53] <cables> zcat[1] , and how would that ultimatum come about?
[07:53] <n2diy> tritium: if you can't find your answers here, look elsewhere.
[07:53] <zcat[1] > intel would happily supply that market for them
[07:53] <unop> Mr1,  the simplest way -- cat -> file    .. and ctrl+c when you are done
[07:54] <tritium> n2diy: I'm not looking for answers here.    I suggest you treat users in here a little more kindly.
[07:54] <unop> Mr1,  but you should use your favourite $EDITOR  really
[07:54] <Mr1> Ok
[07:54] <Mr1> Why is that?
[07:55] <gandalf[1] > ok ttg
[07:55] <unop> Mr1,  because thats what editors are for :) -- cat is very very simplistic
[07:55] <Mr1> So... touch myfile write the hello world > myfile
[07:55] <zcat[1] > cables: kernel copyright. The legal opinion from FSF is that nvidia's drivers are almost but not quite complying with the GPL
[07:55] <unop> touch creates the file -- you need to echo "hello world" then into it .. so - touch myfile; echo "hello world" > myfile
[07:56] <n2diy> tritium: yes, things scroll by quickly.  And I was being kind, answer that aren't available here could be a mouse click away. Sorry if I came on harshly.
[07:56] <Mr1> Ahhh thats what I was missing.. echo
[07:56] <zcat[1] > anyhow.. this is way offtopic and I hafta go pick up the family
[07:56] <tritium> n2diy: no worries.
[07:56] <Hmmmm> does anyone know how to recover files using mc?
[07:57] <atomiku-linux> When I have something playing in XMMS, theres no sound in Enemy Territory. what can I do to fix this?
[07:59] <unop> Hmmmm,  this page makes some mention of it http://www.chm.tu-dresden.de/edv/mc/mc4.5/manual1.html
[07:59] <oggy> its raining on my desktop
[07:59] <gandal1> ok this is a dumbass question, but I can't figure out the logs in recent linux systems
[08:00] <unop> gandal1,  how different can they be from older linux systems? :)
[08:00] <gandal1> unless I launch programs from a terminal, I can't find the output
[08:00] <unop> gandal1,  the output of what tho?
[08:01] <rms> gOLdenHaWK3D, hey man, join our private channel
[08:01] <gOLdenHaWK3D> rms, ok
[08:01] <gOLdenHaWK3D> rms, im already there!
[08:01] <gandal1> the output of programs you launch in X
[08:01] <n2diy> ! rms
[08:01] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[08:01] <Hmmmm> unop, thanks. taking a look at the link
[08:01] <gandal1> unless I launch something from a terminal, there's no way to debug it
[08:01] <kaje1> I'm trying to get compiz to work. I have everything installed, but when I click the "Enable GL Desktop" checkbox, X locks up... Can anyone help?
[08:02] <gandal1> I thought that stuff was supposed to show up in /var/log/messages
[08:02] <gandal1> I'm rather new to X though
[08:02] <unop> gandal1,  well yes, that's what you'd expect normally right? you dont want your apps dirtying your GUI do you?
[08:02] <gandal1> yeah, exactly
[08:02] <gandal1> only there's nothing in there
[08:02] <gandal1> except shite from gconf
[08:02] <gandal1> for page after page
[08:03] <unop> gandal1,  well, without detail, what exact X apps are you trying to debug?
[08:03] <n2diy> ! tail
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <gandal1> just in general
[08:03] <thor> hi all
[08:03] <gandal1> when apps die in X, etc
[08:03] <gandal1> I would like to know what's going on
[08:04] <gandal1> specifically debug output from wine would be nice sometimes
[08:04] <gandal1> ...
[08:04] <gandal1> :)
[08:04] <n2diy> gandal1: if you want to watch stuff realtime run your apps from a terminal, with the tail -f command. See man tail for the specificies.
[08:04] <thor> does anyone have experience with compiling void11 ? I get strange errors...
[08:04] <rms_> gOLdenHaWK3D, hey man, join our private channel
[08:05] <unop> gandal1,  ok /var/log/messages is where syslog places it's logs -- and apps that write to syslog have their messages stored somewhere in that directory .. normal apps do not send messages there, it's usually not worth keeping a log of every single apps debugs messages
[08:05] <gOLdenHaWK3D> rms_, im already there!
[08:05] <gandal1> ok, maybe my brain is short circuiting
[08:05] <oggy> nice
[08:06] <gandal1> probably from staring at /var/log/syslog for 2000 years getting samba to work back in the NT days
[08:06] <oggy> raindrops on a Dell widescreen 2005fpw
[08:06] <oggy> looks cool
[08:06] <gandal1> or was it /var/log/messages ?
[08:06] <gandal1> hehe
[08:06] <mist> lol
[08:06] <mist> wee!
[08:06] <unop> gandal1,  there is an environmental variable for wine (i cant remember what it is, but its in the wine developer docs) that spits out very verbose messages for every single action wine does
[08:06] <oggy> i wish I can upload a video of this
[08:06] <thor> void11 anyone has experience ?
[08:07] <oggy> but istanbul only does flv files
[08:07] <gandal1> I've found it useful enough to run the wine apps from a terminal
[08:07] <gandal1> I thought maybe when you launch from within X that those messages would be output somewhere else instead
[08:07] <gandal1> I guess they just go to /dev/null ;)
[08:07] <unop> gandal1,  on ubuntu, i think samba has its own logs - not sure what they are either
[08:07] <Mr1> ANybody know where I can get a list of terminal commands?
[08:08] <Pablo> gandalftp
[08:08] <chris_> Mr1: this is just one of many.. google will show you more .. http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[08:08] <n2diy> Mr1: man bash, and google bash.
[08:08] <unop> gandal1,  nothing is redirected to /dev/null unless you want it to -- or the app is launced in a GUI handling app (like gnome, kde, etc)
[08:08] <Mr1> Thanks!
[08:09] <atomiku-linux> When I have something playing in XMMS, theres no sound in Enemy Territory. what can I do to fix this?
[08:10] <atomiku-linux> seems it cant handle multiple output
[08:10] <unop> gandal1, the messages you get are really down to the individual application and how the developers want it .. although if you have developer know-how, you can use tools like strace and valgrind to go behind the scenes
[08:10] <Hmmmm> i want to mount /var as read only. how do i do that?
[08:10] <unop> Hmmmm,  is /var mounted on a seperate partition at the moment?
[08:11] <Hmmmm> unop, yup sda6
[08:11] <unop> Hmmmm,  then just add 'ro' to the options for that entry in /etc/fstab
[08:12] <Hmmmm> unop, next to defaults?
[08:12] <unop> Hmmmm, yep .. seperated by a comma tho -- defaults,ro -- or better simply ro
[08:13] <Hmmmm> unop, okay. done. i want to run the recover command on that filesystem
[08:13] <unop> Hmmmm,  errm, i should have thought you need the partition to be writeable  .. anyway, i'm not sure
[08:14] <ivx> hello, i am trying to use a weather desklet, but it always says fail, do i have to open a port or something to get it working?
[08:14] <trollboy> can someone help me with playing wmv's?  I've tried the stuff on the restricted format's site with no avail
[08:14] <unop> Hmmmm,  you have to remount the partition tho, for the changes to take effect
[08:14] <unop> trollboy,  install the !w32codecs
[08:14] <Hmmmm> unop, im rebooting the machine
[08:14] <unop> !w32codecs
[08:14] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[08:15] <unop> Hmmmm,  you dont need to do that -- just -- sudo sh -c "umount /dev/sda6; mount /dev/sda6"
[08:15] <unop> :)
[08:15] <Hmmmm> unop, done already
[08:15] <atomiku-linux> hmmm
[08:16] <agliv5> Greetings all :) I was wondering, is it possible to compile ubuntu youself?
[08:16] <brombomb> Anyone a Regex Pro?
[08:16] <atomiku-linux> I still cant figure this out... multiple sound outputs :/
[08:16] <Mr1> What is the whole purpose of piping info?
[08:17] <DarthLappy> brombomb: Might depend on what you need.
[08:17] <brombomb> Im trying to grep a date range from Feb 5th - Feb 9th
[08:18] <DarthLappy> Have you tried something like /Feb [5-9] th/ ?
[08:18] <brombomb> not yet
[08:18] <Bieleke> morning guys
[08:19] <atomiku-linux> DAMNIT.
[08:19] <Bieleke> what was again the command on linux to start a program in background ?
[08:19] <atomiku-linux> Sorry
[08:19] <atomiku-linux> It just seems I cant get this to work... When I have XMMS playing stuff theres no sound on my game
[08:19] <DarthLappy> Bieleke: program &
[08:19] <luis1234> Hi
[08:19] <brombomb> The slash seems to throw off the grep
[08:20] <Bieleke> DarthLappy, thanks dude
[08:20] <luis1234> Anyone runs TOR with UBUNTU?
[08:20] <DarthLappy> Bieleke: No problem :)
[08:20] <luis1234> Hi.
[08:20] <unska_> hmm.. maybe Archive Manager says "Archive type not supported." when I try to unzip a .rar file
[08:20] <unska_> what to do?
[08:20] <DarthLappy> brombomb: Heh, that was just my way of surrounding the regex :P
[08:20] <atomiku-linux> You cant unzip rar files with Archive manager
[08:20] <atomiku-linux> do some googling and im sure you'll find a linux program that can
[08:20] <unska_> what program should i install then
[08:20] <mneptok> unska_: you try unrar-ing it instead of unzipping it?
[08:20] <brombomb> How do I combine the Feb string with the Regex [5-9]
[08:21] <mneptok> sudo aptitude install unrar
[08:21] <DarthLappy> brombomb: 'Feb [5-9] '...
[08:21] <DarthLappy> You can have it as one thing...
[08:22] <atomiku-linux> windoze users with their winrar?
[08:22] <b0nd> hi guys. I would like to install mysql-query browser and mysql-admin but i get this error message: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:23] <b0nd> Any help.
[08:23] <atomiku-linux> you using sudo apt-get ?
[08:23] <diskus> well, winrar is definitely best software for windows
[08:23] <b0nd> i am using sudo aptitude install
[08:23] <mneptok> diskus: for what?
[08:23] <atomiku-linux> hmm
[08:23] <atomiku-linux> get more ram. lol.
[08:23] <brombomb> no luck
[08:23] <atomiku-linux> no seriously, lemme google it
[08:24] <Byan> 7z is the best actually..
[08:24] <dooglus> brombomb: what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:24] <atomiku-linux> b0nd: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31854
[08:24] <Byan> I use winrar though.. cause I like how it looks
[08:24] <mneptok> "don't use .rar" is the best on any platform.
[08:24] <cntb> LjL wonderful
[08:24] <Byan> mneptok: what's wrong with rar?
[08:25] <brombomb> var/log/auth.log find all accepted logins from feb 5th - 9th
[08:25] <unska_> mneptok, thank you for that. how do i install mp3, divx, avi, mpeg decoders?
[08:25] <b0nd> atomiku-linux: thanks i will check it out.
[08:25] <mneptok> there is nothing wrong with open formats. why choose a proprietary format that locks your data to one author's whims?
[08:25] <atomiku-linux> Hey would everything explode if I: VNC'd my computer with another computer runnining in a VM on another computer VNC'd to another computer VNC'd to another computer running on another VM?
[08:25] <Byan> mneptok: well... then.. same with zip files
[08:25] <mneptok> unska_: apititude search fluendo
[08:26] <diskus> mneptok: for packing files
[08:26] <mneptok> unska_: apititude search ffmpeg
[08:26] <brombomb> Atomiku: Only if you created a loop lol
[08:26] <atomiku-linux> would the whole universe blow up?
[08:26] <brombomb> which we did at work by accident
[08:26] <atomiku-linux> uh oh
[08:26] <Byan> someone definately should've created a tar.gz app for windows right away..
[08:26] <atomiku-linux> I bet that maxed out the connection
[08:26] <mneptok> unska_: errr .... "aptitude" will work better ;)
[08:26] <Byan> so, that it would;ve caught on
[08:26] <mneptok> Byan: already been done
[08:26] <unska_> hehe ;p
[08:26] <luis1234> Does anyone know if TOR/Pivoxy works under UBUNTU?
[08:27] <atomiku-linux> brombomb: did your whole office blow up?
[08:27] <DarthLappy> brombomb: I think you'll find there are two spaces between Feb and the numbers.
[08:27] <unska_> mneptok, will they work automaticly after install?
[08:27] <Bieleke> mmmm long time ago for me...
[08:27] <brombomb> It kicked him out of his own desktop
[08:27] <DarthLappy> luis1234: Yes, it does.
[08:27] <atomiku-linux> must have been some awesome time paradox
[08:27] <Byan> mneptok: no, I mean... there should;ve been one.. to overcome winzip
[08:27] <mneptok> unska_: yes
[08:27] <brombomb> so all the computers were useless
[08:27] <mneptok> Byan: http://www.izarc.org/
[08:27] <kameron> i just installed a new hard disk and rebooted. how do i use it?
[08:27] <Bieleke> what would be the first line in a file to make it run ?
[08:27] <Byan> mneptok: I know they exist now....
[08:27] <Bieleke> like batch-files in windows i mean
[08:27] <diskus> Byan: but do they have good UI or crappy one?
[08:27] <Bieleke> something with sh
[08:27] <mneptok> Bieleke: #!/bin/bash
[08:28] <Bieleke> mneptok, thanks :-)
[08:28] <graft> kameron: if it gets recognized okay, you can format the device, make a mount point, and mount it
[08:28] <Byan> diskus: hmm?
[08:28] <kameron> graft im not sure its recognized
[08:28] <kameron> graft, it already is formatted and partitioned, info on it, etc
[08:28] <gOLdenHaWK3D> my / partition is 99% filled up. & i got a warning!!! any help!!!
[08:29] <gortba_> Hi. If anyone can help, I'm trying to use anjuta and get this message: please add the files codeset.m4, gettext.m4, ... to autoconf directory. Does anyone know where the autoconf macro directory is?
[08:29] <diskus> Byan: tar.gz soft for windows
[08:29] <dooglus> brombomb: grep '^Feb  [5-9] .*sshd.*opened' /var/log/auth.log
[08:29] <Byan> diskus: winrar does it..
[08:29] <unska_> mneptok, what about xvid decoder?
[08:29] <gOLdenHaWK3D> my / partition is 99% filled up. & i got a warning!!! any hjelp!!! can i empty my /tmp???
[08:29] <atomiku-linux> When I have something playing in XMMS, theres no sound in Enemy Territory. what can I do to fix this?
[08:29] <jbellis> I'm supposed to set up a server with ip <IP_ADDRESS> / subnet <IP_ADDRESS> -- is subnet the same as "network" in /etc/network/interfaces?  how do I determine netmask?
[08:30] <unop> gOLdenHaWK3D,  reboot and /tmp ought to be emptied
[08:30] <gortba_> OR Does anyone know of a good development environment for a newbie to learn C++?
[08:30] <mneptok> atomiku-linux: wait for ET to use a more modern sound subsystem, sadly.
[08:30] <graft> kameron: oh... um, what does /proc/partitions say?
[08:30] <dooglus> gortba_: I don't think a newbie should learn C++
[08:30] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, ok, and any other place i migt empty? to free space?
[08:30] <atomiku-linux> awww
[08:30] <atomiku-linux> mneptok: :(
[08:30] <Byan> diskus: my point is that.. people should've put effort into making a tar.gz proggie with a UI comparitive to winzip.. so.. we wouldn't be using zip files all the time
[08:30] <unop> gortba_,  anjuta is pretty widely used
[08:30] <mneptok> atomiku-linux: they use ESD. bleh.
[08:30] <kameron> graft, ah it's there
[08:30] <atomiku-linux> someone suggested this "aoss" sound wrapper thingy, but it didnt work properly
[08:30] <atomiku-linux> Darn.#
[08:30] <Byan> gortba_: why do you need an enviroment..?
[08:30] <gortba_> unop, I'm having issues that I can't resolve when I start a project
[08:31] <kameron> graft, i think i just had the jumper on the wrong spot on the drive
[08:31] <Byan> gortba_: just use vim.. or kate.. or something
[08:31] <mneptok> gortba_: start a project in what?
[08:31] <Byan> and then compile using g++
[08:31] <unska_> mneptok, what about xvid decoder?
[08:31] <graft> kameron: most drives have an 'auto' jumper setting that figure out whether to be in master or slave depending
[08:31] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Any other place i might empty to free space? my / is 99% filled up!!!
[08:31] <Bieleke> whoooo way cool :-)
[08:31] <mneptok> unska_: ffmpeg
[08:31] <dooglus> kameron: it's often called 'cable select'
[08:31] <atomiku-linux> mneptok: there must be something I can do, like get a sound wrapper or something
[08:32] <chona> i cannot run a C file. error message says i dont have mysql/mysql.h..how can i have it?
[08:32] <atomiku-linux> Maybe i'll do some researching on this "aoss" thing
[08:32] <gortba_> Guys, I'm not a programmer. I got a textbook, and I want to teach myself
[08:32] <unop> gOLdenHaWK3D,  remove old logs from /var/log/ . purge/deinstall unneeded software . install and use !localepurge and finally manually clean out your ~/ directory
[08:32] <Bieleke> now SABnzbd starts automaticly when i start gnome... way cool
[08:32] <kameron> graft, oh.. sweet
[08:32] <dooglus> atomiku-linux: I use aoss for everything.  it works well here
[08:32] <atomiku-linux> dooglus: How about ET?
[08:32] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, thanx. trying
[08:32] <graft> dooglus: does aoss do your dishes?
[08:32] <mneptok> gortba_: the only thing required to write code is a text editor.
[08:32] <unop> chona,  you need the -dev package for mysql-server
[08:32] <dooglus> (well, 2 of the 3 speakers work, anyway)
[08:32] <diskus> Byan: well winzip wasn't good at all, winrar has good ui
[08:32] <dooglus> atomiku-linux: I think he was fictional.
[08:32] <gortba_> but I can't anjuta to work
[08:32] <dooglus> graft: no, I've got a woman for that.
[08:32] <mneptok> diskus: http://www.izarc.org/
[08:32] <chona> what -dev package is that?
[08:32] <Byan> diskus: it had a good UI compared to other things back then
[08:33] <graft> dooglus: ouch... -2 feminism points
[08:33] <dooglus> graft: don't worry - all she does is loads the dishwasher.
[08:33] <chona> i have libmysqlclient14-dev...and can't download libmysqlclient15-dev..
[08:33] <Bieleke> diskus, it's even that bad, that when you try to download winrar from usenet, it's packed with winrar, so imagine you have no winrar on your box :-)
[08:33] <gortba_> mneptok: then how do I compile it?
[08:33] <Byan> diskus: we are talking early 90's..
[08:34] <diskus> Byan: well at that time there wasn't much choice, zip or some other odd packing methods
[08:34] <Bieleke> as Billy already said... life is not fair, get used to it :-)
[08:34] <Byan> diskus: there was tar.gz...
[08:34] <diskus> Bieleke: well unzip then :P
[08:34] <brombomb> My new Regex.... [F] [e] [b] [ ] [5-9]
[08:34] <brombomb> lol
[08:34] <Byan> diskus: but there was no windows UI
[08:34] <mneptok> gortba_: an IDE is not a compiler. ever. an IDE may *call* a compiler, but it is not a compiler itself. and you use gcc to compile C-ish code on Linux.
[08:34] <Byan> so..
[08:34] <Byan> yeah
[08:34] <dooglus> gortba_: you type "g++ file.cc"
[08:34] <DarthLappy> brombomb: O_o why do you need to do it like that?
[08:34] <diskus> Byan: yep, but people used zip a lot in those times, dos/windows people
[08:35] <diskus> there was arj I remember too :p
[08:35] <gortba_> on the command line?
[08:35] <unska_> mneptok, i did sudo aptitude install ffmpeg, but i cant find the video player :o
[08:35] <brombomb> becuase the other one wouldn match
[08:35] <b0nd> atomiku-linux: I followed the forum discussion and discovered that i had apt-get update running at the same time. I now however get this message:  mysql-query-browser: Depends: libglibmm-2.4-1c2a which is a virtual package. Can u help me how to resolve this?
[08:35] <mneptok> gortba_: correct
[08:35] <dooglus> brombomb: just "Feb  [5-9] " will do
[08:35] <brombomb> grep says invalid regexp
[08:35] <unop> chona,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mysql.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386
[08:35] <DarthLappy> brombomb: Feb *[5-9]
[08:35] <dooglus> brombomb: but notice there are 2 spaces between 'Feb' and '5'
[08:35] <brombomb> ahhh
[08:35] <mneptok> unska_: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[08:35] <DarthLappy> And remember to quote it :)
[08:36] <dooglus> brombomb: use this: grep '^Feb  [5-9] .*sshd.*opened' /var/log/auth.log
[08:36] <gortba_> ok. I'm going to go try.
[08:36] <mneptok> gortba_: do you have programming experience on other platforms?
[08:36] <dooglus> gortba_: if you don't know other programming languages, C++ probably isn't a good place to start
[08:36] <gortba_> no. Mostly I programmed in math languages to solve math problems like matlab or mathematica
[08:36] <gortba_> so I'm trying to expand
[08:36] <benjm> hi all.. is it ok to ask a question here?
[08:37] <unop> !ask | benjm
[08:37] <ubotu> benjm: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:37] <dooglus> benjm: if it wasn't, you'ld already be in trouble.
[08:37] <gortba_> dooglus: should I start with Java then?
[08:37] <benjm> great, thanks :0
[08:37] <mneptok> gortba_: i agree with dooglus. C++ is throwing yourself in the deep end.
[08:37] <brombomb> Thanks dooglus
[08:37] <unop> gortba_,  C would be a good one to learn
[08:37] <Bieleke> gortba_, depends... java is quit hard to learn, just as C and C++
[08:37] <dooglus> gortba_: Java's a little nicer, but still too heavy imho.  try something like Python I'd suggest
[08:37] <brombomb> I went with grep "Feb  *[5-9] " auth.log | grep "Accepted"
[08:37] <Bieleke> gortba_, try python instead
[08:38] <mneptok> gortba_: i would recommend an interpreted language. Python might be a good choic.
[08:38] <mneptok> +e
[08:38] <gortba_> hmm. Ok sounds good.
[08:38] <Bieleke> and if you know python, then you can start learning a bit java and move to jython :-)
[08:38] <mneptok> gortba_: what OS are you using now?
[08:38] <dooglus> brombomb: there's no need to do 2 greps.  just:    grep "Feb  [5-9] .*Accepted" /var/log/auth.log
[08:38] <gortba_> mneptok
[08:38] <benjm> i'm using squid (2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2) on ubuntu 6.10, but i keep hitting what looks like squid bug #1681 - is there anyway to check whether the squid version i  have includes the fix for that bug?
[08:38] <gortba_> mneptok: I'm running Ubuntu distro
[08:39] <FunnyMan3595> Is there any way to prevent totem, etc. from keeping a history of recently used files?  I can see that it's storing them in ~/.recently-used[.xbel] , but I can't seem to come up with a permission setting that prevents the files from being created/written to.
[08:39] <unop> if you know C, you can learn C++, java, perl, and perhaps languages like python and ruby with ease afterwards :)
[08:39] <mneptok> gortba_: then you have a full Pyton environment ready and waiting to run your stuff.
[08:39] <dooglus> gortba_: Ruby's good, too
[08:40] <mneptok> Python will be of far more use in Ubuntuworld than will be Ruby.
[08:40] <gortba_> mneptok: so should I just get a book and hammer away?
[08:40] <unop> benjm,  spkg -l | grep -i squid
[08:40] <dooglus> C can be very frustrating for a newbie - you have to be pretty careful with memory management and stuff, whereas Python is a lot kinder
[08:40] <unop> benjm,  oops - dpkg -l | grep -i squid
[08:40] <crazy_penguin> Hello!
[08:40] <FunnyMan3595> I've tried touching the files as root and simply chmoding u-w, but it came back with the default permissions both ways.
[08:40] <mneptok> gortba_: only spned money on a book if the web can't teach you.
[08:40] <Yodude> hey i'm having trouble installing flash player
[08:40] <dooglus> gortba_: I'd suggest running through the online Python tutorial to get started
[08:40] <coNP> hi crazy_penguin
[08:41] <cafuego_> dooglus: giveintopython is preinstalled, is it not?
[08:41] <mneptok> Yodude: sudo aptitude install flashplayer-nonfree
[08:41] <Yodude> i know
[08:41] <Bieleke> gortba_, and last but not least, if you own an xbox and it's modded, then you can use python-scripts, so it's never wrong to learn the python language
[08:41] <dooglus> cafuego_: I've never heard of it
[08:42] <Yodude> but it doesn't download thw whole package\it seems to download an online packag installer
[08:42] <unop> dooglus,  well, i started off learning C .. and you dont get to memory management and things like that unless you start off in the deep-end of C .. it's the perfect language to learn the basics about programming i think
[08:42] <benjm> unop, thanks, that gives me some versions for squid and squid-common.. but i'm not sure how to tell what version has a fix for the bug
[08:42] <Yodude> than it actually downloads the real player in the background
[08:42] <crazy_penguin> Hi coNP
[08:42] <Yodude> but it always fails to connect
[08:42] <dooglus> unop: I don't know.  as soon as you start working with strings you're in trouble.  strings are just pointers in C...
[08:42] <unop> benjm,  how have you determined you have a bug?
[08:42] <dooglus> gortba_: http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
[08:42] <Yodude> although i can instal ohter packages just fine
[08:43] <gortba_> Thanks everyone
[08:43] <FunnyMan3595> gortba_: For more help with Python, there's a #python channel here.
[08:43] <benjm> unop - i get errors in /var/log/squid/cache.log that seem to match exactly the description at http://www.squid-cache.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=1681
[08:44] <Yodude> so what should i do?
[08:44] <FunnyMan3595> Aha!  Well, it's hackish, but I came up with a way: Create a directory in the place of those files.  Presumably it's using rm as a fallback when it can't write the files, and rm on a directory (even an empty one) doesn't work.
[08:44] <agliv5> Anybody know if it is possible to compile ubuntu yourself?
[08:44] <gortba_> Thanks for all your help everyone. I'm going to try some python.
[08:44] <FunnyMan3595> agliv5: Possible, but not reccommended.
[08:44] <dooglus> agliv5: it is
[08:44] <FunnyMan3595> agliv5: If it weren't possible, it wouldn't be Linux.
[08:45] <Bieleke> gortba_, good choice... i wish you good luck and happy programming
[08:45] <unop> dooglus,  well, i suppose dealing with python's object orientedness, classes, scoping, etc are not what a user wants really -- but thats a deal with every language, you have to deal with some of the advanced issues at first without knowing exactly what they do until you start learning about them
[08:45] <Byan> agliv5: if you want to compile things yourself use gentoo
[08:45] <unop> dooglus,  beginner user i.e.
[08:45] <dooglus> unop: the thing is though, you don't notice that Python is object oriented until you need to
[08:45] <Byan> gentoo works very very well...  C is not object orientated
[08:46] <FunnyMan3595> Byan: I know what you mean.  I moved my laptop to Gentoo a while back, and installation of software is slow.  Runs slick as ice once it's installed, though.
[08:46] <dooglus> Byan: I know.  Did you think I said it was?
[08:47] <Hudso1> Anyone here have experience with nvidia drivers / envy? I'm having problems installing the drivers to do an aiglx/compiz install
[08:47] <unop> benjm,  errm, have you updated recently ?? maybe there are new versions of squid in the repos already with those patches applied
[08:47] <Byan> you said Python is barely OO, (which I have no idea, never used it), then you said, "whereas" implying that C was the opposite or something
[08:47] <Flannel> guys, take the programming to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:48] <Byan> so, yeah, I thougth you said it was...
[08:48] <benjm> unop, yeah, i just did a complete update of all packages, but still the error persists (and when it happens I have to stop squid and restart it, so a bit annoying)
[08:48] <Gin> can u set a default umask value for a particular directory in your home directory?
[08:48] <Byan> benjm: what error?
[08:48] <nevron> can yoyu help me change my boot settings
[08:48] <dooglus> Byan: Python is properly object oriented, but you don't need to know what that means to use it effectively.
[08:48] <unop> benjm,  maybe a reinstall of squid will do the trick?
[08:48] <benjm> Byan: this one http://www.squid-cache.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=1681
[08:48] <dettoaltrimenti> is there a list of commonly used programs in gnome? I am used to kubuntu but I'm giving ubuntu a try and want to know the gnome equivalents to konqueror, adept, kate, kmail, etc
[08:49] <Byan> benjm: you could try removing the package and then compiling it..
[08:49] <Flannel> dettoaltrimenti: nautilus (local)/firefox (web), synaptic package manager, gedit, uh... no idea.
[08:49] <dooglus> konqueror=nautilus adept=synaptic kate=gedit kmail=evolution
[08:50] <Raovq> is it possible to start up a second x server on another display?
[08:50] <dooglus> Raovq: yes.  type "gdmflexiserver"
[08:50] <fudgeEater> YOYOYOYO
[08:50] <Hudso1> Anyone here have experience with nvidia drivers / envy? I'm having problems installing the drivers to do an aiglx/compiz install
[08:50] <Byan> Raovq: gets rid of the ability to move them in between the two displays though..
[08:50] <benjm> Byan, yeah i would love to compile squid myself, but i am not sure of the procedure for compiling on ubuntu - do you have any urls by any chance?
[08:50] <Raovq> dooglus, gtk warning, cannot open display
[08:50] <nevron> people help me change my boot settings is there a n interface for grubb the boot loader
[08:51] <Raovq> oh
[08:51] <Flannel> !compile | benjm
[08:51] <ubotu> benjm: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:51] <dooglus> Raovq: in a terminal window?
[08:51] <unop> benjm,  i'd suggest a reinstall first -- if that doesnt resolve it - then attempt to compile
[08:51] <Flannel> nevron: usually easiest to edit by hand.  What do you want to change?
[08:51] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I start nautilus/
[08:51] <fek> moin
[08:52] <dooglus> dettoaltrimenti: it's already running probably.  look at the 'places' menu?
[08:52] <benjm> that ubotu link looks great, thanks
[08:52] <nevron> there are some generic verisons and i dont want them listed
[08:52] <dettoaltrimenti> ah thanks. can nautilus be used as a web browser too?
[08:52] <benjm> and unop, yeah but i also want to compile a squid with ssl support in it as well as fixing this bug
[08:52] <nevron> also i am dual booting can i change the timer settings
[08:52] <Flannel> dettoaltrimenti: no, firefox is the ubuntu web browser
[08:52] <Byan> benjm: either you can use the deb compile stuff, or you can compile it right from the tar.gz they have on the site
[08:52] <unop> benjm,  then a compile it is :)
[08:52] <lwizardl> anyone try ubuntu on a compaq proliant 6400r server?
[08:53] <benjm> thanks unop and Byan, you've been very helpful.. also ubotu but i think you are an unthankable bot
[08:53] <unop> Byan,  probably better to get the ubuntu source and then make modifications to it
[08:53] <agliv5> Byan, thanks for the tip :)  I don't have any expierence with gentoo, is this a good place to start? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linuxhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux
[08:53] <dooglus> dettoaltrimenti: no.  the gnome web browser is 'epiphany' - but everyone uses firefox 'cos it's better
[08:53] <Raovq> im just messing about with ssh, my goal is to have a remote desktop and my desktop on the same machine. is it possible/easy to do without a vnc server?
[08:53] <fildo> lwizardl i have a proliant, not that model specific, but yeh i have tried ubuntu on it
[08:53] <Flannel> Raovq: yeah, you'll tunnel X through ssh
[08:53] <Byan> agliv5: people think because you are compiling stuff from source gentoo is easier or something, but it's not really
[08:54] <Byan> gentoo is fairly easy
[08:54] <lwizardl> fildo, and how was it?
[08:54] <Byan> so, if you want to compile everything, get gentoo instead
[08:54] <fildo> not to bad, use smart start
[08:54] <fildo> n work from there, mine was a rack mounted dual 600mhz
[08:54] <Raovq> Flannel, i did that, and opened gnome-session, but it gave me all sorts of graphical weirdness. i was wondering if i could designate the output to a different window or something.
[08:54] <Flannel> nevron: yeah.  the file you want to edit is /boot/grub/menu.lst (you'll need to use gksudo or sudo), ther's a 'timeout' variable, which will change the timing
[08:54] <fildo> with 18gigx10 hotswappable scsi
[08:55] <Lam_al_Adie> hi.
[08:55] <nevron> Flannel: sudo nano -B /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:55] <lwizardl> fildo, mines a rackmount quad xenon p3 500
[08:55] <nevron> is tihs the command
[08:55] <Flannel> nevron: that'll work, yes.
[08:55] <fildo> nice
[08:55] <fildo> how much u pay for it?
[08:55] <lwizardl> I have 4 coming
[08:55] <fildo> i ebayed mine, ex cba australia
[08:55] <fildo> i paid 36bucks for mine
[08:56] <Yodude> hey i'm always getting this error when installing flash: automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[08:56] <lwizardl> fildo, hehe repaired someone's xbox (hd died did a chip then formated a drive and locked it to the xbox)
[08:56] <lwizardl> was giving the servers as payment
[08:56] <lwizardl> *given
[08:56] <nevron> flannel can i remove the things that i dont use like 2.6.17-11 generic kernel will it be ok
[08:57] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, do i delete all files in /var/log to empty space?
[08:57] <Lam_al_Adie> i'd need some help switching from debian (sarge) to ubuntu (edgy eft). i got an old machine with a crappy CD-ROM that won't read my ubuntu-cd, but does read a debian-instaler-cd.
[08:57] <Byan> lwizardl: what are the specs of the servers?
[08:57] <Byan> Lam_al_Adie: thats.. weird
[08:57] <Byan> there is no reason it should read one over the other
[08:57] <lwizardl> Byan, quad p3 500, 1gb ram 4x scsi 10gb
[08:57] <chable> hy
[08:57] <chable> hi*
[08:57] <Byan> lwizardl: damn...
[08:57] <lwizardl> byan, iirc
[08:57] <chable> anyone knows how to open udp port 8008 using iptables ?
[08:58] <Byan> lwizardl: sounds like a fun server
[08:58] <unop> gOLdenHaWK3D,  no no .. just the old ones -- e.g. the old versions of /var/log/messages might be messages.0.gz, messages.1.gz etc
[08:58] <Flannel> nevron: Just remove those kernels via apt
[08:58] <Lam_al_Adie> Byan: no, it ain't. the debian-cd is "official", the ubuntu-cd i burned with another cd-writer.
[08:58] <Flannel> nevron: removing the packages will remove the grub entries
[08:58] <nevron> how do i do that can you tell me an example command
[08:58] <amant84> http://chat14.x-echo.com/Salons/index.php?portail=w#
[08:58] <nevron> ok through synaptic?
[08:58] <chable> !iptables
[08:58] <fudgeEater> SYNAPTIC
[08:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:58] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, oh got it!!! but they are too many!!!
[08:58] <Flannel> nevron: whatever package manager you like, just remove the linux-image-[old version numbers]  stuff
[08:59] <lwizardl> Byan, yeah I think I'll run 1 as a webserver, and the others as a NAS server if I can figure it out (nas)
[08:59] <Flannel> nevron: yep, synaptic works just as well.
[08:59] <Byan> Lam_al_Adie: hmmm, you could try burning the ubuntu CD with really slow speeds (4x)
[08:59] <nevron> flannel ok thanks a lot you have been a great help
[08:59] <Byan> Lam_al_Adie: it might work then..
[08:59] <fudgeEater> iat least use a cd burner
[08:59] <fudgeEater> not a dvd burner
[08:59] <Lam_al_Adie> so, my question is this: given a simple debian installation, is it sufficient to change the sources.list and then make a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:00] <Flannel> Lam_al_Adie: to upgrade to ubuntu?  no.   that probably won't work.
[09:00] <unop> gOLdenHaWK3D,  usually -- you can remove all the ones matching *gz .. check them with this command - ls /var/log/*gz  . if you are happy that they are all old .. you can use this - sudo rm -/var/log/*gz
[09:00] <Lam_al_Adie> Byan: already did, first 16x, then 4x, will try at 1x.
[09:00] <Lam_al_Adie> Flannel: :-(
[09:00] <fudgeEater> use a cd burner!
[09:00] <fudgeEater> u mutha
[09:00] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, thanx
[09:00] <Lam_al_Adie> wouldn't want to order a cd just for that.
[09:00] <Flannel> Lam_al_Adie: for a bunch of different methods, see the following factoid
[09:00] <fudgeEater> you need one
[09:00] <lwizardl> Lam_al_Adie, you having issues burning the ubuntu cd?
[09:00] <Flannel> !install | Lam_al_Adie
[09:00] <ubotu> Lam_al_Adie: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:01] <fudgeEater> I used a dvd burner and it only burned a couple isos
[09:01] <fudgeEater> the others never succeeded after 10 tries
[09:01] <unop> Lam_al_Adie,  you cannot be sure that ubuntu's package versions are > than the ones debian provides -- but otherwise that'll work .. but expect problems tho
[09:01] <fudgeEater> so I used my cd burner and it worked all fine
[09:01] <lwizardl> i use a dvd burner and have burned the ubuntu cd with it
[09:02] <Yodude> unop: please can ou help me with flash?
[09:02] <Lam_al_Adie> lwizardl: not rally, dvdisaster would read the cd with no errors and with at least 24x (in another machine)
[09:02] <fudgeEater> try use a dvd burner and burn red hats isos
[09:02] <nevron> flannel what are these am i removing the packages of the updated kernells
[09:02] <unop> Yodude,  i'll try, whats the matter?
[09:02] <gOLdenHaWK3D> !localpurge
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about localpurge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <unop> !localepurge | gOLdenHaWK3D,
[09:02] <ubotu> goldenhawk3d,: localepurge: Automagically remove unnecessary locale data. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.6 (edgy), package size 35 kB, installed size 152 kB
[09:02] <Flannel> nevron: yes.  You're removing the old kernels
[09:02] <Lam_al_Adie> unop: i would bet ubuntu edgy eft is in all means newer than sarge.
[09:02] <lwizardl> hmm does the md5 match ?
[09:02] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, oh! :P
[09:02] <Yodude> i always get this error: automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[09:03] <unop> Lam_al_Adie,  thats an assumption -- not a certainty -- :) so beware
[09:03] <nevron> what is a generic kernel
[09:03] <frogzoo> nevron: no 686 optimisation
[09:03] <Flannel> nevron: it's a kernel that isn't tied to particular processor of the intel family
[09:03] <Byan> Lam_al_Adie: yeah, woody to ubuntu works flawlessly
[09:03] <Flannel> frogzoo: that's incorrect
[09:03] <frogzoo> Flannel: rily?
[09:03] <Byan> Lam_al_Adie: but sarge doesn't.. because there are some packages in which case sarge has a higher version
[09:04] <unop> Lam_al_Adie,  I have tried that tho -- i installed a minimal debian and then used the ubuntu sources -- but the minimal debian was an old sarge
[09:04] <elth_> can anyone recommend a good mud client? :)
[09:04] <Flannel> frogzoo: yes.  the generic kernel has ALL the optomizations in it, loaded at runtime
[09:04] <unop> Yodude,  please address the person you are talking to otherwise they can miss your post in the busy channel :)
[09:04] <frogzoo> Flannel: oh, nice
[09:04] <Yodude> unop: ok lol so what do you think i should do?
[09:04] <Yodude> i can install other packages just fine
[09:05] <unop> Yodude,  have you updated apt recently -- sudo aptitude update
[09:05] <nevron> Flannel why doesnt ubuntu understand that i have an amd athlon cpu?
[09:05] <nevron> is there a way to configure it?
[09:05] <Byan> nevron: hmmm? what does it say
[09:06] <Flannel> nevron: it does.  The kernel doesn't need ot be a special one.  it'll still use the best optomizations for your processor
[09:06] <Byan> nevron: look in /proc/cpuinfo
[09:06] <dooglus> !ati
[09:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:06] <guitarboy2005_db> howdy howdy
[09:06] <nevron> under device manager it says unknown
[09:06] <Yodude> unop: i'll update it now wait
[09:06] <Lam_al_Adie> well, thanks a lot. i'll try with another burn, and if that does not work I'll just swap that drive for a working one from another machine.
[09:06] <nevron> vendor:unknown device:unknown status:status :)
[09:06] <Byan> nevron: open up a terminal and type cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:06] <dooglus> that ubuntu.com URL is an https:// one - which browser can view those?  I don't think lynx can.
[09:07] <Flannel> dooglus: lynx can, if you install ssl libraries
[09:07] <unop> Lam_al_Adie,  there's a 90% chance it'll be successful and a 10% chance you'll lose some hair resolving small issues .. but yea, go for it if you feel brave :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> dooglus: links2 can IIRC
[09:07] <nevron> Byan it does show my cpu there but not under device manager?
[09:07] <Byan> nevron: I wouldn't bother with it in device manager then? who cares?
[09:08] <unop> nevron,  thats gnome for you -- it's quite economical with the truth -- but then, every GUI is
[09:08] <dooglus> is there any text web browser installed by default?
[09:08] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, localepurge freed 37165K of space!!! lol
[09:08] <unop> dooglus,  lynx or w3m i think
[09:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: w3m
[09:08] <Flannel> dooglus: yes.  i believe edgy has... elinks.  let me double check.  (it's changed a few times)
[09:08] <fudgeEater> lawl
[09:08] <Byan> nevron: heh, btw, says unknown in device manager over here too
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ah interesting...
[09:08] <nevron> unop than there s no problwem everything is working the way they are supposed to right?
[09:09] <funkyzire> can i play psx games with original cds with that pcsx emulator, or do i need to convert them in iso's ?
[09:09] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, now cleaning my ~/.
[09:09] <dooglus> edgy doesn't have lynx, links, links2 or elinks, but it does have w3m, thanks.
[09:09] <Flannel> dooglus: running 'www-browser' will always work though
[09:09] <gOLdenHaWK3D> :)
[09:09] <unop> gOLdenHaWK3D,  yep, localepurge is a good thing, it monitors when you install packages next and will clean up after you then too :)
[09:09] <jordanmore> i need help learning how to install things on ubuntu linux if anyone can help me
[09:09] <gOLdenHaWK3D> unop, wow! thanx again
[09:09] <Mr1> jordan: sudo apt-get install
[09:09] <Flannel> !synaptic | jordanmore
[09:09] <ubotu> jordanmore: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[09:10] <dooglus> I just tried using edgy for the first time this year and found that X doesn't want to start :(
[09:10] <unop> nevron,  well, do you think everything is working as expected? :) if so, then yes :)
[09:10] <dooglus> and I can't install anything because apt-get is downloading over 100MB of updates...
[09:10] <Flannel> dooglus: and, in theory/hopefully, those will fix X ;)
[09:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: edgy has had ... issues. Hopefully Feisty will be better
[09:10] <unop> dooglus,  you could update a subset of packages at a time
[09:10] <fudgeEater> feisty is better....
[09:11] <unop> feisty has issue,...
[09:11] <unop> issues*
[09:11] <thoreauputic> unop: well yes - but it hasn't reached release yet :)
[09:11] <fudgeEater> no
[09:11] <fudgeEater> NO!
[09:11] <fudgeEater> Feisty is nice
[09:12] <unop> thoreauputic,  even so, once it is released, it will have issues -- thats the nature of software, isnt it? :)
[09:12] <Flannel> fudgeEater: Feisty is alpha.
[09:12] <fudgeEater> =(
[09:12] <fudgeEater> meanie
[09:12] <thoreauputic> fudgeEater: sure, but it is still in development
[09:12] <thoreauputic> unop: yes, there will always be bugs :)
[09:12] <Glined|4|life> can i get some help
[09:12] <Glined|4|life> please
[09:12] <thoreauputic> !ask
[09:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:12] <Byan> dooglus: if you want to install something else while the downloads are going.. you can ctrl+c it..
[09:13] <Byan> you won't loose any of the packages already downloaded it
[09:13] <Glined|4|life> ok i cant install ubuntu
[09:13] <unop> thoreauputic,  hopefully not the ones that are "in your face" or dont leave you hanging :) let's hope
[09:13] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm not upgrading to edgy from dapper - I already did that a long time ago.  These are just updates since edgy was released I think
[09:13] <agliv5> Byan, my friend told me that if you compile yourself then Ubuntu is more adaptive to your system and it's capabilities... i.e. faster and better...
[09:13] <unop> s/dont//
[09:13] <vanlinx> hey, is it possible to get beryl or XGL onto ubuntu hoary?
[09:13] <dooglus> agliv5: I tried to compile myself, but found the source isn't available.
[09:13] <thoreauputic> dooglus: right - I have edgy on a partition here but mostly I still run dapper
[09:13] <billybob> unop: you familiar with rsync ?
[09:13] <Glined|4|life> and what dose my ubuntu to get files like debian is apt get
[09:14] <dooglus> Glined|4|life: the same
[09:14] <Yodude> unop: it didn't work i still get an error
[09:14] <unop> agliv5,  thats somewhat a misconception -- it depends on the individual software package really
[09:14] <vanlinx> hoary+XGL, is that possible, please help
[09:14] <Yodude> unop: how do you think i can fix it?
[09:14] <agliv5> dooglus, I think it is; however I could be wrong... still looking
[09:14] <Byan> agliv5: yeah.. but.. if your going to do that then why not use a distro made for ricers who want to have everything run slightly faster in exchange for massive compiling time
[09:14] <unop> billybob,  errm, only that its a command and i could use it if i wanted to -- but do ask
[09:14] <unop> Yodude,  you still get the same error? please !pastebin
[09:14] <agliv5> unop, are u suggesting normal install of ubuntu and manual compile of software?
[09:14] <Yodude> unop: ok
[09:15] <Flannel> dooglus: the source is available, don't be silly
[09:15] <Glined|4|life> well lets get to the first problem i am runnin on the live cd how would i install it
[09:15] <bikerman> !restricted formats
[09:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:15] <dooglus> Flannel: really?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Glined|4|life: click the install button ?
[09:15] <agliv5> Byan, sounds like a good idea, but I have no idea what you are talking about...
[09:15] <Flannel> agliv5: compiling really won't give you much of a boost, you'll spend more time compiling than you'd gain
[09:15] <Flannel> dooglus: of course.
[09:15] <billybob> unop: i have a problem gettign it to work as i intend, could be my misunderstanding, in short: rsync -av --dry-run --include-from=/home/yyrkoon/files /home/movies /home/backup/
[09:15] <Glined|4|life> ok but i usealy get an error
[09:15] <vanlinx> hello
[09:15] <dooglus> Flannel: I'd love to see it.
[09:15] <billybob> unop: files contains *.jpg only
[09:15] <vanlinx> no ones can read this?
[09:16] <jordanmore> in order to install something on ubuntu does it have to be a certain kind or file like .rpm
[09:16] <dooglus> vanlinx: no
[09:16] <billybob> unop: rsync proceeds to copy EVERYTHING
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Glined|4|life: so tell us the error
[09:16] <fudgeEater> alluc.org = #1 source for movies and tv shows!!!!