[15:56] <lynxman> o/
[15:59] <Ursinha> meeting?
[16:00]  * jamespage waves
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> (on a call)
[16:00]  * arosales hello
[16:01] <adam_g> \o
[16:04] <jamespage> whos in the seat this week?
[16:04] <zul> hey
[16:04] <Daviey> Clint, but i think he is absent
[16:04] <Daviey> So... rooaksox! :)
[16:05] <Daviey> roaksoax: startmeeting :)
[16:06]  * robbiew lurks
[16:06] <roaksoax> #startmeeting
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[16:06] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <roaksoax> rbasak to try precise on pandaboard
[16:07] <roaksoax> he's not in the channel so I guess we can move on
[16:07] <Daviey> I think he did try it last week
[16:07] <Daviey> so DONE
[16:07] <roaksoax> ok then
[16:07] <arosales> roaksoax: yes, Tobin from the ARM team had also confirmed that along with Robbie.
[16:08] <roaksoax> arosales: great! thanks for the update!
[16:08] <roaksoax> let's move on then
[16:08] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Precise Development
[16:08] <roaksoax> Daviey: the floor is yours
[16:08] <Daviey> Following the rally last week we have a clearer direction.
[16:08] <Daviey> Some things are being changed, and the blueprints will reflect this shortly.
[16:09] <Daviey> Lets burn through the todo list.
[16:09] <hallyn> will there be surprises for any of us?
[16:09] <robbiew> hooyah!
[16:09] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:09] <robbiew> hallyn: yes...you now work on iscsi
[16:09] <Daviey> zul: bug 879853 ?
[16:09] <robbiew> lol
[16:09] <robbiew> (j/k)
[16:09] <zul> done..
[16:09] <hallyn> lol
[16:09] <Daviey> poor hallyn
[16:10] <Daviey> zul: update so?
[16:10] <Daviey> zul: bug 883988
[16:10] <zul> still havent beeen able to reproduce it
[16:10] <adam_g> Daviey: upstream is apparently tracking that
[16:10] <Daviey> adam_g: sweet!
[16:10] <adam_g> its easily reproduced, but needs upstream to figure out what they're doing with db migrations (kind of a mess ATM, IMHO)
[16:11] <Daviey> bug 893926 , mainerror ?  How is it looking
[16:11] <SpamapS> o/
[16:11] <Daviey> ok.. i'll track him down.
[16:11] <Daviey> bug 906163
[16:11] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:12] <zul> fixed
[16:12]  * Daviey suggests fixed bugs contain the fixed released status :)
[16:12] <zul> makes send
[16:12] <Ursinha> :)
[16:12] <zul> makes sense
[16:12] <Daviey> bug 911812 , up for grabs, adam_g or roaksoax ?
[16:13] <Daviey> or anyone else... looks ike checking a patch and landing it.
[16:13] <roaksoax> I'll take it
[16:13] <Daviey> rocking
[16:13] <Daviey> bug 915971
[16:13] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:14] <zul> still waiting for info
[16:14] <Daviey> adam_g: is bug 916992 also under investigation upstream?
[16:14] <adam_g> Daviey: yes, i have a patch but unforutnately am locked out of gerrit still, and the openstack QA team is on conference leave somewhere far
[16:14] <Daviey> adam_g: gah... :/
[16:14] <adam_g> Daviey: ive assigned myself to the ubuntu task for now
[16:14] <Daviey> bug 75262
[16:14] <zul> adam_g: i could do it for you
[16:15] <Daviey> err
[16:15] <Daviey> bug 875262
[16:15] <zul> geez feisty :)
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS: Were you working with koolhead17 on this? :)
[16:15] <SpamapS> I recall a question or two, but nothing recent
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS: would you be able to drive it to compleition?
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 891433 , utlemming ...
[16:16] <SpamapS> Yes, there's a merge pending for 5.3.9 anyway
[16:16] <Daviey> Seems utlemming isn't here.. will poke later.
[16:16] <Daviey> SpamapS: \o/
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 607039 , up for grabs
[16:17] <Daviey> All rush at once! :)
[16:17] <Daviey> smb: Ah, is that yours?
[16:17] <SpamapS> Its still "New", so is the first step to confirm it?
[16:18] <Daviey> SpamapS: right, the LP status doesn't reflect the real status.
[16:18] <Daviey> Not sure who is currently driving it.. is it you smb ?
[16:18] <smb> Daviey, It was... then someone wanted to help... was that zul or hallyn
[16:18] <hallyn> i've been involved before
[16:19] <hallyn> at this point we need someone familiar with module-init-tools to step in
[16:19] <Daviey> Do we know who that is?
[16:19] <hallyn> who babysits that?
[16:19] <smb> The thing is that I was lost a bit to where to add the additional alias
[16:19] <hallyn> right, bc the file where debian has it, we don't ship
[16:19] <smb> iow is nfs-common allowed to create a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[16:20] <Daviey> smb / hallyn: we'll continue this outside the meeting in #ubuntu-devel.
[16:20] <Daviey> bug 890362 : zul ?
[16:20] <smb> ack
[16:20] <zul> Daviey: umm..
[16:20] <zul> yeah
[16:20] <Daviey> ?
[16:21] <Daviey> zul: status?
[16:21] <zul> ill take another look
[16:22] <Daviey> cool
[16:22] <Daviey> roaksoax: bug 898840
[16:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: was waiting for the updates after the sprint
[16:23] <roaksoax> to work on that
[16:23] <Daviey> jamespage: Do you know how bug 904681 is looking ?
[16:23] <Daviey> roaksoax: cool, that bug is still valid currently.
[16:23] <jamespage> Daviey: still to big :-)
[16:24] <Daviey> as long as it's not too big, i'm happy. :)
[16:24] <Daviey> Okay, thanks
[16:24] <jamespage> 550MB
[16:24] <jamespage> ish
[16:24] <Daviey> jamespage: and the limit is?
[16:24] <jamespage> 500MB
[16:25] <jamespage> 10% oversized
[16:25] <Daviey> ok, thanks
[16:25] <Daviey> anyone want that one?
[16:25]  * Daviey snaps it up for himself.
[16:25] <Daviey> zul: bug 906654 ?
[16:26] <adam_g> Daviey: ill take that. im looking at that now, the middleware has changed again upstream
[16:26] <zul> Daviey: still waiting for MIR
[16:26] <Daviey> adam_g: rocking
[16:26] <Daviey> bug 906735 : adam_g is that one for you? :)
[16:26] <adam_g> Daviey: sure
[16:26] <Daviey> rocking
[16:27] <Daviey> zul: bug 907197 ?
[16:27] <Daviey> (wow, zul - lots of bugs :)
[16:27] <zul> fml
[16:27] <zul> ill look into it
[16:28] <Daviey> cool
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 913739 , looks not too bad
[16:28] <Daviey> patch supplied!
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 914257
[16:28] <zul> fixed last week need to update it
[16:28] <Daviey> zul: ^^
[16:28] <Daviey> lynxman: bug 916489 ?
[16:29] <Daviey> (needs new upstream snapshot)
[16:29] <smoser> o/ sorry to be late.
[16:29] <adam_g> zul: Daviey that local_settings.py one may be invalid or need to be renamed, since new packages do not install local_settings.py at all anymore
[16:29] <Daviey> smoser: I think your lateness just signed you up to bug 917471 :)
[16:29] <Daviey> adam_g: oh sweet, maybe you should own that one then?
[16:29] <adam_g> Daviey: gimme!
[16:29] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:30] <smoser> Daviey, sure. i'll do that bacula upgrade
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: the bacula one?
[16:30] <Daviey> zul: no.. adam_g having that one
[16:30] <Daviey> smoser: rocking
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: ah k
[16:31] <Daviey> bug 833499
[16:31] <Daviey> *awesome* bug.
[16:31] <Daviey> is that a smoser one aswell?
[16:31] <Daviey> (i know you love that one)
[16:31] <smoser> i opened that bug.
[16:31] <zul> i have that on my list, its submitted upstream (the fix) but i need to redo it
[16:32] <smoser> the fix is submitted upstream?
[16:32] <smoser> really?
[16:32] <Daviey> zul: cool, can you assign yourself pls?
[16:32] <zul> yeah
[16:32] <zul> smoser: proposed, got a -1 so far
[16:32] <Daviey> bug 901881
[16:32] <smoser> could you link to it?
[16:32] <smoser> in the bug
[16:33] <Daviey> zul: capture that last one there ^^ in the next upload?
[16:33] <Daviey> rbasak: bug 889644 , is that one you were tracking?
[16:33] <rbasak> yes
[16:33] <zul> Daviey: still blocked on the keystone MIR
[16:33] <rbasak> last status is that it's in debian experimental but ftbfs on both debian and ubuntu on arm
[16:33] <Daviey> rbasak: does it just need a sync now?
[16:34] <rbasak> I haven't had a chance to look further
[16:34] <Daviey> ah crappers.
[16:34] <Daviey> rbasak: can you assign yourself?
[16:34] <rbasak> will do
[16:34] <Daviey> release blocking bug 907206 !
[16:34] <Daviey> anyone want to grab it?
[16:34] <zul> seriously?
[16:34] <zul> ill take it
[16:35] <Daviey> err, bitesize.
[16:35] <Daviey> bug 912716
[16:35] <Daviey> nice wishlist bug, hggdh want it? :)
[16:35] <Daviey> bug 912716
[16:35] <hggdh> Daviey: looking at it now
[16:36] <Daviey> awesome!
[16:36] <Daviey> bug 887186 , roaksoax - needs fixing i think, still.
[16:36] <Daviey> bug 891977, assigned to the biggest slacker of them all.  He'll get to it.
[16:36] <roaksoax> Daviey: seems to be lack of functionality of squid3, as higher upstream version seems to have functionality that was in 2.x
[16:37] <Daviey> roaksoax: upstream regression?
[16:37] <roaksoax> Daviey: apparently so, I'm planning to update squid to latest upstream and see if its reproduceable
[16:37] <Daviey> sweet!
[16:37] <Daviey> Okay, that is it for the to-do list.. any missing that should be there?
[16:38] <Daviey> roaksoax: lets move on. :)
[16:38] <roaksoax> alright
[16:38] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:38] <roaksoax> any upcoming events?
[16:38] <Daviey> FOSDEM baby!
[16:38] <robbiew> Austin Cloud Users Group tonight!
[16:38] <robbiew> SCALE10X this weekend
[16:38] <m_3> clint n jorge at scale!
[16:39] <Daviey> 4th&5th of Feb, rbasak, jamespage, ttx and myself at FOSDEM..  Possibly soren?
[16:39] <Daviey> m_3: does clint and jorge scale that large?
[16:39] <ttx> yes, soren will be there
[16:40] <Daviey> rocking!
[16:40] <m_3> ...the whole is more than the sum of its parts...
[16:40] <roaksoax> alright, I'm guessing that's about it then. Moving on...
[16:40] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:40] <roaksoax> hggdh: it's all yours
[16:40] <SpamapS> Clint 'n Jorge are webSCALE ;)
[16:41] <Daviey> hggdh: Who is best to cover this section, is it still you?
[16:41] <hggdh> only worthy news: we have published a high-level view of the tests guidelines
[16:41] <Daviey> on a related note, adam_g / jamespage: how is the CI going?
[16:41] <hggdh> Daviey: I am not sure, I will ask the powers-that-be
[16:41] <Daviey> hggdh: where are the test guidelines?
[16:42] <hggdh> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/QA/Automation/TestSubmissionGuidelines
[16:42] <Daviey> hmm
[16:42] <hggdh> this is WIP, and comments are appreciated
[16:42] <Daviey> Perhaps put it on the ubuntu wiki? :)
[16:42] <hggdh> as soon as it is at least sane, we will move it to w.u.c
[16:43] <Daviey> right
[16:43] <Daviey> thanks
[16:43] <hggdh> ..
[16:43] <Daviey> adam_g / jamespage: can you comment on CI testing status?
[16:43] <Daviey> lets move on roaksoax.
[16:43] <jamespage> progress OK last week; next task is enabling the tempest suite
[16:44] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:44] <roaksoax> smoser: you are up
[16:44] <Daviey> lol
[16:44] <smoser> i am up
[16:44] <smb> Open for questions. Tried to get cobblestra working in small scale otherwise. And Xen managed through virt-manager :)
[16:44] <smoser> ah.
[16:44] <smoser> yeah.
[16:44] <roaksoax> smoser: lol sorry :)
[16:44] <smoser> i dont think i have any for smb today.
[16:45] <Daviey> smoser: bug 907377 ?
[16:45] <Daviey> smb: is bug 902951 infact fixed?
[16:46] <smb> Daviey, Looking there seems like a iommu thing
[16:46] <smb> Daviey, VIRTIO_BLK will be built in in precise
[16:46] <smb> Need to update the bug probably
[16:46] <Daviey> neat
[16:47] <Daviey> The only other issue with the kernel seems to be odd sound on my laptop :).. but OT here. :)
[16:47] <Daviey> i'm done, thanks smb
[16:47] <roaksoax> alright, I guess we can move on
[16:47] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:47] <roaksoax> rbasak: your turn
[16:48] <rbasak> So I spoke to the arm team last week
[16:48] <rbasak> the consensus is that I will bridge the two meetings
[16:48] <Daviey> \o/
[16:49] <rbasak> precise is working on armhf for me now, juju still a bit broken
[16:49] <Daviey> rbasak: have bugs?
[16:49] <rbasak> I filed bug 917664 earlier
[16:50] <rbasak> we're almost certainly going to be going for armhf on server
[16:50] <Daviey> rbasak: do you think this is importiant to release of precise?
[16:50] <rbasak> yes
[16:50]  * Daviey adds it to the list.
[16:50] <smoser> rbasak, so we decided i believe that there is no point in doing cloud-images for armel, right?
[16:51] <rbasak> Yes, that's my understanding. Is there any reason we need them that I'm missing?
[16:51] <smoser> we should have a bug for "replace armel with armhf(??) for arch of cloud-images" then
[16:51] <smoser> i can't think of any
[16:51] <lynxman> Daviey: Sorry was trapped in the juju world :) The new upstream snapshot is ready, packaged, branched and pending your review
[16:51] <jamespage> ls
[16:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: I believe that juju bug is actually already reported and assigned to hazmat...
[16:52] <Daviey> lynxman: ah, linky?
[16:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: bug 914392
[16:52] <lynxman> Daviey: https://code.launchpad.net/~lynxman/ubuntu/precise/ipxe/newsnapshot
[16:53] <rbasak> SpamapS: agreed, thanks!
[16:53] <Daviey> lynxman: thanks.
[16:53] <Daviey> anything else?
[16:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: marked as dupe
[16:53] <rbasak> thanks SpamapS
[16:53] <SpamapS> Daviey: ^^ please adjust accordingly
[16:54] <rbasak> I'm done, I'll start keeping a proper list for future meetings
[16:54] <roaksoax> ok then I guess we can move on if there's nothing else for rbasak
[16:54] <Daviey> SpamapS: thanks
[16:54] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:55] <roaksoax> anyone from the community has anything to bring to the table?
[16:55]  * ScottK is working with lamont on postfix updates.
[16:55] <Daviey> ScottK: Awesome!!
[16:55] <Daviey> ScottK: anything interesting in the pipelines?
[16:55] <ScottK> He's doing 2.8.7 for precise and then I'll do microversion updates for natty/oneric.
[16:55] <Daviey> \o/
[16:55] <ScottK> This is just bug fixes.
[16:55] <ScottK> Then backports for Lucid/Maverick.
[16:56] <ScottK> But 2.9.0 is close.
[16:56] <ScottK> That, interestingly enough, will have an optional memcached client.
[16:56] <SpamapS> roaksoax: since I'm from the community.. I'd like to bring to the table that this particular section is rather troubling.. and that we should try to involve non-Canonical people in all sections, since we're all part of the "community"
[16:56] <lynxman> Since it's QA time, it's worth submitting a bug for xen-tools? It says somewhere that it's being deprecated, nonetheless it's defaults are broken for creating new xen servers
[16:56] <ScottK> SpamapS: +1
[16:56] <lynxman> SpamapS: +1
[16:57] <roaksoax> SpamapS: fine by me too
[16:57] <rbasak> SpamapS: while I agree, I think it's important to give people a specific opportunity to comment! Better to have a specific agenda item than feel that there is no agenda item at all
[16:57] <ScottK> Just change is to Other updates and questions.
[16:57] <ScottK> is/it
[16:57] <SpamapS> I believe this section used to be specifically updats from the Canonical "community team" and then was morphed to this.. but really, we're all at this meeting specifically to address the community as a whole.. so I see no need for this section.
[16:57] <smb> lynxman, I am not sure I understand what you say. Maybe you could explain when I am more awake. :)
[16:58] <roaksoax> I guess we can merge this topic with Open Discussion
[16:58] <lynxman> smb: xen-tools generate xen images that lack the load of xenblk on startup so they always fall back to ramdisk
[16:58] <ScottK> Yeah.
[16:58] <SpamapS> rbasak: each agenda item is, and should be, oriented toward the community.
[16:58] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[16:58] <rbasak> SpamapS: absolutely - but is that communicated effectively at every meeting? Because this agenda item is.
[16:58] <ScottK> roaksoax: I agree.  I thought this was a fancy name for open discussion.
[16:58] <SpamapS> 2 minutes remaining..
[16:58] <smb> lynxman, You know that we at least now built-in the frontend driver?
[16:59] <SpamapS> we won't have time to finish this discussion here. Shall we defer to next week?
[16:59] <roaksoax> ScottK: we have both at the moment :/
[16:59]  * ScottK votes SpamapS for dictator of agenda reworking.
[16:59] <ScottK> SpamapS: JFDI.  Fix it.
[16:59] <SpamapS> roaksoax: action please?
[16:59] <SpamapS> And then I suppose we should wrap up.
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: I do, this is latest oneiric, broken ):
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: bug has been sitting ducks
[17:00] <roaksoax> [action] Discuss merge of Open Discussion with Community update topics
[17:00] <meetingology> ACTION: Discuss merge of Open Discussion with Community update topics
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: I'll raise it later
[17:00] <Daviey> Everyone say hello to arosales, three cheers for the new Ubuntu Server Workloads Manager.
[17:00] <smb> lynxman, k
[17:00] <lynxman> arosales: \o/ \o/
[17:00] <rbasak> hip hip
[17:00] <SpamapS> \o/
[17:00] <Daviey> hip hip.
[17:00] <arosales> :-)
[17:00] <jamespage> \o/
[17:00] <m_3> arosales: hey!
[17:00] <roaksoax> [topic] Announce next meeting date and time
[17:01] <roaksoax> same date/time
[17:01] <arosales> thanks for the welcome :-)
[17:01] <SpamapS> thanks for attending everyone!
[17:01] <roaksoax> arosales: \o/
[17:01] <SpamapS> roaksoax: thanks for scribing!!!
[17:01] <Daviey> thanks roaksoax for driving.
[17:01] <lynxman> roaksoax: \o/
[17:01] <roaksoax> SpamapS: welcome ;)
[17:01]  * SpamapS eyes the pensive kernel team and figures we should probably get outta here while the gettin's good
[17:01] <roaksoax> #endmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 17:01:55 2012 UTC.
[17:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-16.06.moin.txt
[17:02] <apw> o/
[17:02] <ppisati> o/
[17:02] <cking> o/
[17:02] <herton> o/
[17:02] <kamal> pensive?
[17:02] <kamal> o/
[17:02] <ogasawara> o/
[17:02] <smb> \o
[17:02] <bjf> o/
[17:02] <sforshee> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
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[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
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[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <ppisati> P/master: patches for kexec (omap3-only for now) and Beagle XM detection landed.
[17:02] <ppisati> P/omap4: a new kernel in is the pipe (3.2.0-1404.6) - rebased on top of 3.2.0-9.16, and TILT @ c39eb96.
[17:02] <ppisati> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incomming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-precise-alpha-2.html
[17:03] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 4 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 3 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || foundations-p-ipv6                    || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || jsalisbury || other-p-bug-workflows                 || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || ogasawara  || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 3 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || tgardner   || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Alpha-2 work items.    I've
[17:04] <ogasawara> also started prepping Precise LBM and plan to also open the Q git repo.
[17:04] <ogasawara> Please keep in mind that Alpha 2 is nearing (Thurs Feb 2).  I plan on
[17:04] <ogasawara> uploading our final Alpha2 kernel on either the Friday or Monday prior
[17:04] <ogasawara> to the milestone.  For any patches needing to land in Alpha2, they need
[17:04] <ogasawara> to be sent and applied before next Friday, Jan 27.
[17:04] <ogasawara> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:05] <apw> [17:05] <apw>
[17:05] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:05] <apw>
[17:05] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:05] <apw>
[17:05] <apw> || Package                                  || Open       ||
[17:05] <apw> ||                                          ||            ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||   20 (+10) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||   12 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||   13 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||   13 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    9 (+2)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Precise                            ||    7 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||   12 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||   15 (+8)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||   11 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||   11 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||   16 (+7)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||   12 (+3)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    8 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Precise                   ||    7 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||   13 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||   13 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-oneiric Lucid         ||    9 (+2)  ||
[17:06] <apw>
[17:06] <apw> In the last two weeks there have been 19 CVE added.  Many of these were
[17:06] <apw> older CVEs where fixes have already hit our trees so the fallout is
[17:06] <apw> somewhat mitigated.
[17:06] <apw>
[17:06] <apw> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:06] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (Jan. 17):
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-30.98
[17:06] <bjf>   * In updates. Next kernel will be prep'd next week.
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-38.82
[17:06] <bjf>   * In "regression testing". There has been a single report of a regression
[17:06] <bjf>     (bug 915788). However the submitter has been non-resposive since the
[17:06] <bjf>     initial report.
[17:06] <bjf>
[17:06] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.64
[17:06] <bjf>   * Waiting to be copied to updates.
[17:07] <bjf>
[17:07] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.53
[17:07] <bjf>   * In "regression testing".
[17:07] <bjf>
[17:07] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-15.25
[17:07] <bjf>   * In "regression testing".
[17:07] <bjf>
[17:07] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:07] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:07] <bjf>
[17:07] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:07] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:07] <bjf>
[17:07] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:07] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:07] <bjf> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:08] <jsalisbury> going once
[17:08] <jsalisbury> going twice
[17:08] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:08] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 17:08:47 2012 UTC.
[17:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-17.02.moin.txt
[17:08] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:08] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[17:09] <smb> thanks jsalisbury
[20:02]  * bkerensa coughs
[20:02] <cprofitt> hello bkerensa
[20:02] <bkerensa> Did I somehow get the time wrong? :P
[20:02] <cprofitt> no
[20:02] <bkerensa> ok then :)
[20:03] <bkerensa> hi jhmextern jvlb
[20:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:04] <czajkowski> #meeting
[20:04] <TRAVISg> Hello all
[20:04] <jhmextern> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[20:04] <c_smith> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> there we go
[20:04] <albrigha> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> welcome to the loco council meeting
[20:04] <ivanb> Hi all
[20:04] <czajkowski> todays agenda is #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:04] <czajkowski> from the loco council we have present
[20:05] <ivanb> Hi from Montenegro team
[20:05] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt greg-g xdatap1 itnet7
[20:05] <czajkowski> first tonight on the list is Montenegro
[20:05] <adam_g> o/
[20:06] <czajkowski> what will happen is I'll paste the link
[20:06] <czajkowski> the team contact wil tell us about the team
[20:06] <czajkowski> and the loco council will ask some questions
[20:06] <czajkowski> than we shall vote
[20:06] <tp0x45> ok
[20:06] <czajkowski> everyone ok
[20:06] <ivanb> ok
[20:06]  * cprofitt nods
[20:06] <czajkowski> #topic montenegro approval application
[20:06] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:07] <czajkowski> tp0x45: hi there you're the team contact ?
[20:07] <tp0x45> hi, yes
[20:07] <tp0x45> there are also few other members here with me
[20:07] <czajkowski> ok
[20:07] <czajkowski> great
[20:07] <tp0x45> magio ivanb and shandy
[20:07] <tp0x45> the team exists since 2007
[20:08] <tp0x45> but we had sparse activity
[20:08] <cprofitt> raise your hand if you are with Montenegro
[20:08]  * tp0x45 raised hand :)
[20:08]  * ivanb raise hand 2 :)
[20:08] <shandy> o/
[20:08] <czajkowski> welcome and thanks for coming
[20:08] <shandy> :)
[20:08] <magio> o/
[20:08] <tp0x45> thanks! :)
[20:09] <tp0x45> there is more details on our wiki page
[20:09] <tp0x45> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam
[20:09] <tp0x45> and there is lot more on our site
[20:09] <tp0x45> http://www.ubuntu-me.org/site/
[20:10] <czajkowski> ok
[20:10] <tp0x45> the most recent events are best seen on our "news" page
[20:10] <tp0x45> http://www.ubuntu-me.org/site/vijesti/
[20:10] <czajkowski> so firstly I see on lauchpad, which is what we base stuff on you have 19 members
[20:10] <tp0x45> we organized several events last year
[20:10] <czajkowski> #link https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-me
[20:10] <tp0x45> those would be active members that we are trying to motivate to get more active roles in the team
[20:10] <cprofitt> the website is well done.
[20:11] <czajkowski> tp0x45: can you tell us how you organise events?
[20:11] <tp0x45> the group has a very active Facebook group with around 280 members
[20:11] <czajkowski> nice site
[20:11] <tp0x45> we established a good relationship with University of Montenegro
[20:11] <tp0x45> most of the events took place at the university
[20:11] <czajkowski> tp0x45: thats nice but for approvals/re approvals we look at lp numbers as we use laucnhpad in the Ubuntu community y
[20:12] <tp0x45> we also try to organize presentations with some privately held universitiels
[20:12] <czajkowski> good stuff
[20:12] <cprofitt> tp0x45: how do you leverage facebook for loco activities?
[20:12] <tp0x45> and we try to keep the events logged and scheduled through ubuntu site
[20:12] <tp0x45> that is the main focus right now to move FROM facebook to our site/forum/wiki and launchpad
[20:12]  * cprofitt nods
[20:13] <tp0x45> FB is extremely popular in Montenegro (50% population is on it) and we cannot ignore it
[20:13] <tp0x45> we also reached out to the local media
[20:13] <czajkowski> tp0x45: indeed I do appreciate that
[20:13] <tp0x45> we have a good coverage in one of major daily newspapers
[20:13] <cprofitt> that is fantastic; I think making use of the Ubuntu specific resources helps bring local members to the greater global Ubuntu community
[20:13] <tp0x45> we just had a two page article on open source and ubuntu
[20:13] <tp0x45> http://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/open-source-je-prilika-koju-crna-gora-ne-smije-propustiti-clanak-55530
[20:13] <tp0x45> this was also published in the printed issue
[20:14] <tp0x45> we have a good relationship with online magazine BITonline
[20:14] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, hi!...
[20:14] <tp0x45> and they report on our activities
[20:14] <tp0x45> we distributed 250 CDs in last 2-3 months
[20:14] <czajkowski> well done I'm sure that went down well
[20:14] <czajkowski> Can I ask why you don't do team report s?
[20:15] <tp0x45> we had couple of major presentations at university of montenegro, faculty of science, and university of donja gorica
[20:15] <tp0x45> we are trying to slowly migrate to launchapd, and ubuntu wiki... but the focus last year was on the website, wiki, forum
[20:15] <tp0x45> and ofcourse presentations
[20:16] <tp0x45> we also reached out to montenegrin government and we are trying to get their support to push open source and linux
[20:16] <cprofitt> Some solid progress then tp0x45
[20:16] <tp0x45> it is critical for us to get approved to become more seriously taken by the officials in various entities in Montenegro
[20:16] <czajkowski> greg-g: itnet7 xdatap1 any comments
[20:16] <cprofitt> tp0x45: I noticed that no events were planned so far for 2012; what is the reason for that?
[20:17] <ivanb> indeed there was a lot of stuff we done in last 2-3 months , mostly focused on presentation during new Ubuntu relasie
[20:17] <tp0x45> we usually plann them first on FB and via voice... then we document them on your site
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, why two wikis: http://wiki.ubuntu-me.org and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam
[20:17] <czajkowski> tp0x45: while I do appreicate that, gting more people involved in the greated ubuntu community starts with using the tools there, so they learn about the community the CoC  and how to get involved in translations, Q&A and bugs
[20:18] <SergioMeneses> ivanb, ↑↑↑
[20:18] <tp0x45> one page is just info on the team on ubuntu sit
[20:18] <tp0x45> e
[20:18] <tp0x45> our wiki is in Montenegrin language
[20:18]  * cprofitt nods
[20:18] <czajkowski> but you cna have that on the Ubuntu wiki no ?
[20:18] <tp0x45> we got more than 50 pages in last 3 months since we put it up
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, oks!.. great!
[20:19] <tp0x45> we kind of looked at what other groups did
[20:19] <tp0x45> Romanian, Serbian, ...
[20:19] <tp0x45> they all had wiki on their site
[20:19] <xdatap1> tp0x45, are you doing translations on launchpad?
[20:20] <tp0x45> Ubuntu anc Canonical were kind of slow on replying on our enquiry regarding domain and website hosting
[20:20] <xdatap1> tp0x45, software translation i Mean
[20:20] <tp0x45> and we purchased our own domain and created site
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, nice wiki! really I like it
[20:20] <tp0x45> software translation is one of the challeanges ahead
[20:20] <tp0x45> Montenegrin language just recently took its own course
[20:21] <tp0x45> it was all serbo-crotian till yugoslavia fell appart
[20:21] <tp0x45> we are opening the communication with serbian team and other in the region regarding translations as it will be fairly similar
[20:21] <tp0x45> the issues are also that Montenegro is sitll lackin ISO code for language
[20:21] <tp0x45> and that is something we addressed to the university and government
[20:22] <tp0x45> we also put a nice forum there on the site
[20:22] <czajkowski> #voters cprofitt xdatap1 czajkowski SergioMeneses greg-g itnet7
[20:22] <meetingology> Current voters: SergioMeneses cprofitt czajkowski greg-g itnet7 xdatap1
[20:22] <tp0x45> fourm.ubuntu-me.org
[20:22] <xdatap1> tp0x45, yes, I saw it, nice work :)
[20:22] <tp0x45> we are trying to direct FB discussions to our forum
[20:22] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:23] <czajkowski> +1 I would like to see all the members added to launchpad and team reports started please.
[20:23] <meetingology> +1 I would like to see all the members added to launchpad and team reports started please. received from czajkowski
[20:23] <czajkowski> 19 on lp and 250 on fb is a bit backwards for my liking:) I'd prefer the other way around
[20:24] <tp0x45> I agree, I would like to see 30,000
[20:24] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt xdatap1 greg-g please!
[20:24] <tp0x45> which is only 10% of Montenegro FB users :)
[20:24] <xdatap1> +1 I agree with what czajkowski said
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 I agree with what czajkowski said received from xdatap1
[20:25] <cprofitt> +1 I would like to see continued events planned using the loco portal loco.ubuntu.com - it causes me some concern to not see events planned at this point
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 I would like to see continued events planned using the loco portal loco.ubuntu.com - it causes me some concern to not see events planned at this point received from cprofitt
[20:25] <SergioMeneses> +1 good work
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 good work received from SergioMeneses
[20:26] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:26] <nathwill> whoo!! :D congrats ubuntu-me!
[20:26] <czajkowski> ok
[20:26] <bkerensa> congrats
[20:26] <bkerensa> \o/
[20:26] <czajkowski> cprofitt: can you add the team to APPROVED loco and set expiration date for 2 years from now please
[20:26] <ivanb> Thanks ! :)
[20:26] <shandy> ty :)
[20:26] <TRAVISg> congrats
[20:26] <cprofitt> thank you Montenegro I look forward to hearing about the great things you do!!
[20:26] <tp0x45> thanks!!! this will be very helpful for us to continue and motivate more people to join!!!
[20:27] <tp0x45> thanks!
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> congrats!
[20:27] <ivanb> Thank You all !
[20:27] <magio> tnx
[20:27] <czajkowski> tp0x45: but please team reports !!!
[20:27] <czajkowski> #topic Ubuntu Oregon LoCo approval
[20:27] <bkerensa> Hello Council
[20:27] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:28] <cprofitt> czajkowski: added
[20:28] <czajkowski> cprofitt: cheers
[20:28] <czajkowski> bkerensa: welcome can you tell us about the team and how things are done please?
[20:28] <bkerensa> Sure
[20:28]  * slangasek waves
[20:29] <bkerensa> I'm Team Lead and Nathwill is my Asst. Team Lead he shares leadership roles with me
[20:29] <nathwill> go oregon!
[20:29] <nathwill> ;)
[20:29] <c_smith> lol
[20:29] <bkerensa> We have about 8 members in channel right now
[20:29] <adam_g> o/
[20:29] <c_smith> *is a member*
[20:29] <cprofitt> raise your hand if you are with Oregon
[20:29] <TRAVISg> *Raises Hand*
[20:29] <albrigha> o/
[20:29] <jhmextern> raised hand
[20:29] <c_smith> *raise hand*
[20:29] <jvlb> Hand up.
[20:29]  * nathwill throws one up
[20:30] <czajkowski> bkerensa: well...
[20:30] <bkerensa> Anyways so right now our LoCo has focused on local advocacy for Ubuntu. We have regular meetings on IRC every month and we have release parties, global jams and booths at just about every tech event in the region
[20:31]  * slangasek raises hand
[20:31] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon is spearheading a initiative to work with Western Oregon University to mentor students in Comp Sci about Ubuntu
[20:31] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon will be starting to hold classes at the FreeGeek Community Center
[20:32] <c_smith> may I add one thing?
[20:32] <bkerensa> We also are working with other LUG's and User Groups to include OSU LUG, Debian Portland and also trying to help revive Salem LUG
[20:32] <czajkowski> cprofitt: shoot
[20:32] <czajkowski> c_smith: shoot
[20:32] <c_smith> k, Ubuntu Oregon is working on getting an event set up in Salem,
[20:32] <czajkowski> bkerensa: so do you do more lug work that Ubuntu work ?
[20:33] <nathwill> czajkowski, is that specific to bkerensa, or applicable to the group as a whole?
[20:33] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Well our involvement even with the LUG's it to try and advocate for Ubuntu
[20:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: it was really cool to see all the blog posts that came out of the combined debian-ubuntu event, very nice work with that :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> nathwill: anyone can answer stuff
[20:33] <czajkowski> we're asking the team
[20:34] <bkerensa> so by being involved with other LUG's we are trying to push Ubuntu and get people involved with Ubuntu if they choose
[20:34] <bkerensa> I think our recent event with Debian folks is a good example of how Ubuntu and Debian benefit from our work together
[20:35] <cprofitt> bkerensa: can you share a bit with the group about the teams previous activity
[20:35] <bkerensa> Surely
[20:35] <czajkowski> as there is nothing there prior to April
[20:35] <cprofitt> one of the issues we are always concerned with is sustained activity
[20:35] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Well prior to April tgm4883 was lead more on a defacto basis because the founder of Ubuntu Oregon had been deployed in the Army
[20:36] <bkerensa> I cannot speak in too much detail but by reviewing the mailing list and other mailing lists and in discussion with current and pass Oregon LoCo folks
[20:36] <czajkowski> right
[20:36] <bkerensa> I can see that regular meetings
[20:36] <bkerensa> and events did occur
[20:36] <bkerensa> however documentation was not up to par
[20:37] <bkerensa> I know that Ubuntu Oregon has had a booth at every OSCON
[20:37] <cprofitt> bkerensa: what about the future -- I see no events planned for the future on loco.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <c_smith> We are actually in the planning phase of the 12.04 Release party, and have several other evens being planned, too.
[20:38] <bkerensa> cprofitt: We are planning our Ubuntu 12.04 Release Party right now in fact I have an offer for sponsorship from PuppetLabs and am working with Dell for some other opps
[20:38] <nathwill> we're trying to nail down final details on a talk at the local Yahoo! office in ~ 2 wks
[20:38] <bkerensa> in March we will likely have another joint Ubuntu/Debian event
[20:38] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon will be at Community Leadership Summit, Linux Fest NW and OSCON
[20:38] <cprofitt> does Oregon also use loco.ubuntu.com to schedule on-line meetings?
[20:38] <bkerensa> all of those events will be coming in the next few months
[20:38] <czajkowski> rght so you guys seem to attend a lot of conferences, what do you do at ground level
[20:39] <czajkowski> looking for team reports ?
[20:39] <bkerensa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/TeamReports
[20:39] <bkerensa> Well c_smith has been hosting Ubuntu Hours in Salem
[20:39] <bkerensa> and we hope to have some Ubuntu Hours on a regular basis here in Portland
[20:40] <bkerensa> I know that various members do provide support in #ubuntu from time to time and also provide support and advocate in their own towns and cities
[20:40] <c_smith> I can vouch that I try and help out on #ubuntu
[20:41] <TRAVISg> I have done installs for friends and co-workers
[20:41] <bkerensa> Also
[20:41] <bkerensa> I'm pushing an initiative to start distributing more CD's
[20:42] <bkerensa> as of right now I have been buying CD's out of pocket and distributing them but I'm hoping we might have a coordinated effort going forward to get more CD's out since they are in demand
[20:42] <cprofitt> bkerensa: you say a lot of 'I'... how much is the 'we' involved
[20:42] <nathwill> i support a couple of local ubuntu users, while trying to get them to join in on ubuntu-or events.
[20:42] <jhmextern> working in newport oregon trying to develop a group too
[20:42] <czajkowski> bkerensa: cool, many teams even approved teams like france get out many cds theyt produce themselves
[20:43] <bkerensa> cprofitt: c_smith holds Ubuntu Hours in Salem, jhmextern is working to get Ubuntu Hours and a group together in Newport and Nathwill on his own got us a talk at Yahoo
[20:43] <c_smith> JVLB and I have been working with bkerensa to try to get an event (which I already mention) going to try and educate people about Ubuntu in the Salem/Keizer area.
[20:43] <TRAVISg> I offer support to users I have helped switch over here in Portland
[20:43] <bkerensa> all of that they do on their own.... Our team are self starters
[20:43] <jvlb> Since 2006 I've helped about a dozen people switch to Kubuntu from Windows.
[20:44] <TRAVISg> Also have got the chance to talk to many folks about Ubuntu since sporting the 11.10 Shirt from our last release party
[20:44] <cprofitt> bkerensa: that is a good thing... my team recently lost some folks to relocation and I need to get more folks invovled... the weight of the team is already pretty heavy
[20:44] <cprofitt> teams become stronger as they get more people involved.
[20:45] <bkerensa> cprofitt: It is always a concern that our LoCo could become dormant again but honestly I dont see that happening we have been more sustainable ever since I took lead and I'm working with nathwill on forming a council so that going forward there is sustainability in our leadership
[20:45] <nathwill> we're doing a lot of work towards increasing interest in membership atm. the yahoo! talk is entirely about exposing a new group of users to foss/ubuntu
[20:45] <c_smith> brb
[20:45] <bkerensa> Notably we have quite a good partcipation on IRC
[20:46] <cprofitt> bkerensa: I understand that... I went through the same with New York
[20:46] <bkerensa> in comparison to other approved states
[20:46] <bkerensa> our events are big
[20:46] <cprofitt> When we were approved we had to show 12 months of sustained activity
[20:46] <cprofitt> bkerensa: are they big due to the loco or because they are pre-established events?
[20:46] <c_smith> back
[20:46] <czajkowski> bkerensa: my concern is I only ever see you and the application is you, team reports you, blogs you etc
[20:46] <bkerensa> they are big because of the LoCo
[20:46]  * kees raises his hand 15 min late ;)
[20:46] <bkerensa> Our release parties have very nice turnouts
[20:47] <bkerensa> atleast that is my opinion
[20:47] <cprofitt> bkerensa: I understand
[20:47] <cprofitt> I just wanted to make sure you were not countin oscon or something like that as a big event
[20:47] <slangasek> the local jam certainly wasn't a pre-established event
[20:47] <bkerensa> czajkowski: That is why I want to see a council going forward
[20:47] <jhmextern> distance plays a huge part, Oregon is a big state.
[20:48] <TRAVISg> I can say that the support and equipping I have gotten through the team has been invaluable in my being able to spread the word about FOSS/Ubuntu
[20:48] <bkerensa> czajkowski: c_smith actually does our website and blog and facebook
[20:48] <czajkowski> bkerensa: a council isnt an answer I'm afraid
[20:48] <c_smith> when I'm not busy running errands. :P
[20:48] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Our team reports also reflect blog posts from kees and slangasek who are loco members
[20:48] <nathwill> cprofitt, it should be noted that the team is delegating a lot of activity to people with an inclination. (e.g. wiki maintenance, mailing list administration, etc). bkerensa's not stuck shouldering everything.
[20:48] <czajkowski> bkerensa: unless you're a massive loco team like france or italy or brazil there is no need for a council
[20:48] <cprofitt> bkerensa: would you be worried about sustaining the activity over the next six months?
[20:49] <cprofitt> I would agree with czajkowski - New York was almost destroyed by over complicated unecessary structure
[20:49] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I do not think we would have a problem sustaining over the next six months
[20:49] <cprofitt> bkerensa: do you think your team would put the effort in regardless of approval status?
[20:50] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Yes... We don't exist because we seek approval we exist as a LoCo because we use Ubuntu and enjoy advocating for Ubuntu and FOSS
[20:50] <TRAVISg> True
[20:50] <jhmextern> nods in agreement
[20:50] <czajkowski> ok we're ready to vote
[20:50] <cprofitt> excellent answer... and the one I had to give when I was with New York
[20:50] <c_smith> I'll vouch for that view.
[20:50] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:50] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:50] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:50] <cprofitt> New York was turned down three times... and we continued on!
[20:51] <c_smith> NY, eh?
[20:52] <czajkowski> -1 I'd like to see you come back in 6-8 months there just isn't enough for me at present prior to 9 months ago
[20:52] <meetingology> -1 I'd like to see you come back in 6-8 months there just isn't enough for me at present prior to 9 months ago received from czajkowski
[20:52] <cprofitt> +0 I think the team has done excellent work, but I would like to see more sustained activity before granting approved status. I am encouraged by the strong amount of activity shown in the last six months and the number of people who made the meeting in the middle of their workday.
[20:52] <meetingology> +0 I think the team has done excellent work, but I would like to see more sustained activity before granting approved status. I am encouraged by the strong amount of activity shown in the last six months and the number of people who made the meeting in the middle of their workday. received from cprofitt
[20:53] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: xdatap1
[20:53] <xdatap1> -1 I would like to see you again in 6 months. You're doing a great job but the history is still short, so keep up the good work
[20:53] <meetingology> -1 I would like to see you again in 6 months. You're doing a great job but the history is still short, so keep up the good work received from xdatap1
[20:53] <SergioMeneses> +0 have done a great work but they need a little more!
[20:53] <meetingology> +0 have done a great work but they need a little more! received from SergioMeneses
[20:54] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:54] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:54] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:2 Abstentions:2
[20:54] <meetingology> Motion denied
[20:55] <czajkowski> hopefully in a few more months there will be more things to see and we can look again
[20:55] <czajkowski> thank you all for coming
[20:55] <nathwill> thanks for your time :)
[20:55] <TRAVISg> Yup gotta run back to work
[20:55] <c_smith> thanks for at least looking into it.
[20:55] <jhmextern> thank you
[20:55] <TRAVISg> Thanks for your time and consideration
[20:55] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt xdatap1 can one of you update the team report and wiki with mins of the meeting
[20:55] <TRAVISg> We will knock your socks off in a few months
[20:56] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, I can do it
[20:56] <czajkowski> #action SergioMeneses update the wiki and team report
[20:56] <meetingology> ACTION: SergioMeneses update the wiki and team report
[20:56] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[20:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 20:56:40 2012 UTC.
[20:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-20.04.moin.txt
[20:56] <czajkowski> sweet
[20:56] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[20:56] <cprofitt> thanks everyone!
[20:57] <xdatap1> thanks everyone, see you soon!


[20:33] <Lucretia> hi, I want to boot my pandaboard 2.0 es, but the latest supported is precise, I can update the ca-certificates with a deb copied over to enable me to access the interweb I've seen that linaro has packages for trusty, does that mean I can upgrade to trusty and then add those updates?
[20:34] <Lucretia> want to get accelerated hw working on it.


[16:30] <dholbach> hiya
[16:30] <dholbach> anyone around for the CC meeting in 30m?
[16:49] <dpm> dholbach, it seems no one on the channel, and I cannot make it to today's meeting
[16:49] <dholbach> dpm, akerbeltz just pinged on #u-meeting
[16:53] <dpm> dholbach, ok
[19:14] <bkerensa> ubuntu-docs is ready for translation
[19:14] <bkerensa> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/ubuntu-docs
[19:20] <sasa84> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/ubuntu-docs
[19:20] <sasa84> ajmo, gremo :P


[14:58] <lyr> Hmmmpf, my DisplayPort connected screen doesn't appear in the sound outputs like it used to in Ubuntu Budgie 20.04, any idea why ?


[00:29] <bkerensa> Gareth: pong
[00:40] <Gareth> bkerensa: hey.  any updates on Mozilla?
[00:40] <Gareth> re: SCALE.
[00:43] <bkerensa> Gareth: No the discussion stalled out.... I would bet its probably not going to happen... basically the local person didn't want to own a booth and I offered but I think the decision maker just got to busy to approve it and I let him know at this point I couldnt commit on such short notice.
[00:43] <bkerensa> =/
[00:50] <raevol> Gareth: scale proposals are for talks?
[00:50] <Gareth> Yup.
[00:51] <raevol> i'm kicking around proposing a talk on gaming in general and www.openmw.org in particular
[00:51] <Gareth> Gaming would be good.  especially with recent Valve news and other developments.
[00:51] <raevol> yea
[00:52] <Gareth> bkerensa: thats disappointing.  I've tried to get Mozilla to the show for the past 5 years and every year they bail.
[00:52] <bkerensa> =/
[00:54] <Gareth> bkerensa: whose the local person?
[00:55] <bkerensa> Gareth: a lady named Joanna Masgaj
[00:55] <bkerensa> Gareth: I do not know her personally but she is out of Pasadena
[00:55] <bkerensa> I think thats close by?
[00:55] <Gareth> yeah. not far from the venue.  she works for Mozilla or just a volunteer?
[00:56] <bkerensa> let me check our Phonebook
[01:17] <bkerensa> Gareth: she appears to be a volunteer but works for Aviary
[01:18] <Gareth> Yeah. i saw that.
[01:19] <Gareth> sympathic to the volunteer thing, but if you don't wanna go to an event thats literally in your backyard to represent the organization that you're supposed to be repping.  Something wrong there :)
[01:42] <Yasumoto> Gareth + bkerensa: i <3 mozilla but oh man :-X
[01:54] <Gareth> Yasumoto: You know what I'm talking about.  How many months did we try to spend having phone calls and email exchanges with them?
[02:03] <bkerensa> Gareth: I am going to reach out to Mary Colvig who leads Marketing/Comm for Mozilla and try and get this sorted
[02:03] <bkerensa> I think it sucks too
[02:03] <bkerensa> :)
[02:04] <Gareth> Cool.  Good luck.  was in contact with Mary before.
[02:04] <Gareth> bbl
[02:07] <Yasumoto> yep, many calls with Mary, who's pretty awesome :)
[02:08] <Yasumoto> stepping out too, later
[08:24] <bkerensa> Gareth: So looks like the talk on Scale has sprung
[08:24] <bkerensa> Gareth: I CC'ed you to the convo on our mailing list
[16:13] <Gareth> bkerensa: awesome. thanks :)
[16:35] <Gareth> bkerensa: see a few questions in here.  want me to respond to you with the answers then you can pass them along?
[19:42] <kdub> anyone know of the best tool for ebook creation/publishing on linux?
[20:08] <akk> kdub: The only one I've found is Sigil. There's no Ubuntu package, though.
[20:09] <akk> wikipedia claims it's the only open-source app that can edit epub.
[20:09] <akk> It's decent, though.
[20:09] <kdub> hmm, i'll give it a shot! thanks akk :D
[20:09] <akk> http://code.google.com/p/sigil/
[20:09] <darthrobot> Title: [sigil - The EPUB Editor - Google Project Hosting]
[20:10] <akk> I use ebook-convert (from calibre) a lot for converting among formats, but that won't help you actually change things.
[20:10] <akk> Or create a new book.
[22:59] <bkerensa> Gareth: sure you can e-mail me any responses
[23:19] <arno_> Hi, is the san jose ubuntu hour saturday this week ?
[23:20] <pleia2> arno_: there is one in berkeley
[23:21] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2125/detail/
[23:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[23:21] <pleia2> that's the only one for this weekend listed though, haven't seen anything on list about san jose
[23:21] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california lists our events
[23:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[23:22] <arno_> pleia2: http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-SV/ <- there is this one. it is usually on sunday, but for this week-end, it is planned on saturday, so I wonder if it has changed
[23:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu SV (Sunnyvale, CA) - Meetup]
[23:23]  * pleia2 sighs
[23:23] <pleia2> they're supposed to be telling us about those :(
[23:23] <pleia2> I don't know, sorry
[23:24] <pleia2> maybe contact the organizer?
[23:53] <bkerensa> Gareth: Since they have asked me to write up a budget request
[23:54] <bkerensa> Gareth: I will go ahead and inform you on behalf of Mozilla that we will confirm our interest in that booth
[23:54] <bkerensa> :)
[23:54] <Gareth> Ah excellent! :)
[23:54]  * bkerensa now has to figure out travel costs for the reps and send the budget in
[23:54] <bkerensa> Gareth: I might even add myself in and fly down idk yet... its a real busy period right now for me
[23:54] <bkerensa> :)
[23:57] <Gareth> That would be cool if you can make it.
[23:58] <bkerensa> Gareth: if not this time definitely soon or next time :) I have to go out to Indiana soon to do a USA Reps Meetup
[23:59] <bkerensa> they were like why dont you guys have a meetup... and I was like uhh the closest rep to me is in the midwest :)


 yes that actually works well but should I cherry pick that to the stable release
 That might be a good idea. (re @lynorian: yes that actually works well but should I cherry pick that to the stable release)


[05:29] <magespawn> morning all
[05:29] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[05:29] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:30] <Kilos> lol you beat me
[05:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:30] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:30] <magespawn> only just
[05:30] <superfly> hi magespawn
[05:30] <magespawn> howdy superfly
[05:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:30]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:31] <magespawn> can Maaz do Cuppacino?
[05:31] <Kilos> na just plain boere troos
[05:32] <Kilos> perculated coffee
[05:32] <magespawn> thats all good
[05:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:34] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[05:34] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[05:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[05:49] <Kilos> wb
[05:59] <kbmonkey> hello oom :)
[06:03] <kbmonkey> is the afr channel still here?
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I saw whales and ostriches in CT national park :D
[06:04] <Kilos> lol
[06:05] <bmg505> good moaning :)
[06:05] <bmg505> can maaz make police coffee?
[06:05] <Kilos> yeah its there but slow
[06:06] <Kilos> hiya bmg505
[06:06] <bmg505> I need a 50/50 police mug this morning
[06:06] <kbmonkey> hi bmg505
[06:06] <Kilos> i think they use perculated as does the railways and airports
[06:06] <bmg505> lol police coffee is percolated spiked with brandy
[06:07] <Kilos> whew bad night
[06:07] <bmg505> and needless to say you can deduce what a 50/50 police coffee is :)
[06:08] <Kilos> lol
[06:08] <bmg505> nah busy giving birth, exporting data for a customer, btrieve to csv :(
[06:10] <kbmonkey> ouch that's a pain bmg505
[06:15] <magespawn> kbmonkey you know what kind of whales?
[06:15] <Kilos> not ocelots
[06:22] <kbmonkey> my guess a southern right whale
[06:22] <kbmonkey> as those come close to land in winter to mate and give birth
[06:23] <kbmonkey> there were two
[06:50] <Kilos> hi sdehaan
[06:51] <sdehaan> hi Kilos
[06:54] <kbmonkey> hi sdehaan
[06:54] <Kilos> kbmonkey, whats news
[06:55] <Kilos> not about wales and ostriches
[06:55] <kbmonkey> well when one is on holiday that's what one sees Kilos lol
[06:56] <Kilos> oh , i didnt know you were on holiday
[06:58] <kbmonkey> yet still work creeps in ;)
[06:58] <Kilos> anyone know if maiatoday is ok? long time no see
[06:58] <Kilos> lol
[06:59] <kbmonkey> met guys from a ngo, and a new telecoms company, more job opportunities
[07:00] <kbmonkey> haven't seen maia around either, maybe the studies are peaking?
[07:01] <Kilos> good, no news from that other one yet?
[07:01] <Kilos> ah is she studying too
[07:03] <kbmonkey> somehow I thought she did
[07:04] <kbmonkey> the other one? i got some failed applications so yes i heardback
[07:05] <Kilos> eish
[07:05]  * Kilos holds thumbs for you lad
[07:49] <Kilos> bbl
[11:22] <totimkopf1> ek's verveeld
[12:46] <nuvolari> totimkopf1: youtube kan help
[15:19] <magespawn> howdy all.
[15:57] <Kilos> groete aan tannie vlieg
[16:03] <Kilos> does anyone here use empathy and mxit
[16:04] <Kilos> mxit cannot connect in empathy maverick and google hasnt got me an answer for maverick
[16:04] <superfly> nope
[16:04] <Kilos> lol not you sir
[16:05] <Kilos> dag sê totimkopf1 hoe gaan dit?
[16:06] <Kilos> dag sê = good day
[16:24] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[16:24] <Kilos> do you use empathy?
[16:25] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos ... @ home for IM I use empathy (if the question was directed @ me)
[16:25] <Kilos> yeah the stupid thing dont connext to mxit
[16:26] <Kilos> works on msn gtalk but not mxit
[16:26] <Kilos> grrr
[16:26] <nlsthzn> Kilos: I can't remember when last I used mxit but if memory serves only pidgin worked for me
[16:27] <Kilos> lol thats what i get when googling as well but only up to lucid so thought they mighta fix it
[16:28] <Kilos> fixed
[16:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:38]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:42] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:03] <magespawn> evening all
[17:03] <Kilos> hi there magespawn
[17:05] <magespawn> hi kilos. do you know where to find the icons in ubuntu?
[17:05] <Kilos> what icons
[17:06] <magespawn> the icons the system uses for things like usb harddrives
[17:06] <Kilos> those in the panels?
[17:07] <Kilos> mine shows them as a drive
[17:07] <Kilos> what does yours do?
[17:07] <magespawn> or when you plug a drive in you get one on the desktop
[17:08] <Kilos> doesnt yours show a drive when you plug a usb goodie in?
[17:08] <magespawn> i get an icon but not the one i want
[17:08] <magespawn>  have found them.
[17:09] <Kilos> lol where are they
[17:09] <superfly> magespawn: /usr/share/icons
[17:10] <magespawn> thats the one
[17:12] <Kilos> hmmm theres lots of them
[17:13] <magespawn> yup and even more if install extra themes and such
[17:15] <magespawn> there are downloads for customizing everything
[17:15] <magespawn> what do you think about wordpress?
[17:18] <magespawn> superfly you work with java?
[17:18] <superfly> Not if I can help it.
[17:19] <magespawn> there was someone here who does.
[17:20] <magespawn> nuvolari maybe.
[17:21] <magespawn> anyway found the premier edtion of the Java Magazine here oracl.com/javamagazine
[17:22] <superfly> magespawn: Ja, nuvolari is one of those masochists
[17:35] <magespawn> man this is annoying
[17:35] <magespawn> maaz tell nuvolari to have a look at oracle.com/javamagazine
[17:35] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode
[17:35] <Kilos> wassup magespawn
[17:40] <magespawn> get disconnected and do not even notice
[17:47] <magespawn> what do you think about wordpress?
[17:47] <superfly> magespawn: I prefer Drupal
[17:50] <magespawn> you said so before when i brought up joomla. is wordpress better suited to blogs, or justg easier to manage?
[17:52] <superfly> magespawn: some say it is better suited to blogs... I had a friend recently say that they dumped Wordpress in favour of Drupal because they found Drupal easier to manage and to use
[17:53] <superfly> last time I looked at Wordpress' admin interface, I could hardly figure out what to do - it was just far too busy
[17:54] <superfly> at the same time, Drupal can seem quite complicated at first, but it levels out
[17:54] <magespawn> i have a server setup in my shop to mess around on so will have look
[17:56] <magespawn> i also signed up for a year free hosting with mweb. so i should put something up there.
[17:58] <superfly> magespawn: well, play around with them all, if you can
[18:00] <magespawn> on my one definately.
[19:00] <Kilos> night all sleep tight. see ya tomorrow


[02:46] <xu-irc32w> Hi i am using xubuntu on a raspberry pi , Installed ubuntu server first then xfce over the top. It keeps freezing randomly
[07:29] <xpufx[m]> Are you maybe running out of memory? Is there anything in dmesg or syslog?
[07:38] <xu-help58w> anyone know how to restore/reinstall the xfce desktop ? (I installed a theme via an auto script and have no idea how to uninstall it)
[07:39] <Unit193> Check for files in ~/.themes
[07:40] <xu-help58w> i did and deleted them but it doesnt fully work (I changed the appearance settings too)
[07:41] <xu-help58w> is there no way to "reinstall" the xfce desktop?
[07:42] <xpufx[m]> You can reinstall your OS packages but it might not overwrite custom settings
[07:42] <xpufx[m]> It will only help if you accidentally deleted package files
[08:00] <xpufx[m]> Oh he/she was in #xfce too. I thought I was losing it for a bit.
[08:02] <xpufx[m]> Have you guys tried a more gnome/gtk thing for kdeconnect ? There's supposed to be one for gnome-shell. I am not sure if it can be used with xfce.


[06:21] <duflu> RAOF: Are the new valgrind failures related to your stuff that landed? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-team-mir-development-branch-trusty-amd64-ci/820/console
[06:23] <RAOF> duflu: Indirectly, yes; leaks in the clients are now fatal, too.
[06:24] <duflu> RAOF: Hmm, but existing bugs should have blocked it from passing CI before it landed
[06:24] <RAOF> duflu: But these are obviously nondeterministic failures, because my CI run passed.
[06:24] <duflu> Whee
[06:24] <RAOF> I love a nondeterministic leak in the morning!
[07:30] <duflu> Woo code review backlog halved yet again
[07:38] <duflu> Interesting. I had to start almost 50 Mir clients blended over each other before any of them slowed down. That's probably pretty good.
[07:39] <duflu> Arguably 100 (dual screen clone mode)
[09:30] <duflu> alan_g, alf__:  Am I the only one subscribed to USC bugs?
[09:30] <duflu> Or am I just the only one particularly interested in them? :)
[09:30] <alf__> duflu: I am not getting any notifications, let me change that
[09:30] <alan_g> duflu: you're interested in USC bugs?!
[09:31] <duflu> alan_g: I mean willing to triage
[09:31] <duflu> alf__: Particularly Ubuntu project bugs for package "unity-system-compositor" ;)
[09:49] <duflu> alf__: I found myself looking at how the cursor logic works, and wonder; do we ever intend to support multiple cursors?
[09:49] <duflu> MirMotionEvent would appear to not care how many there are
[09:52] <alf__> duflu: I haven't heard of such a requirement. Is there a use case for multiple cursors?
[09:52] <duflu> alf__: Just wondering, if I had to modify it whether only one would still be acceptable
[09:56] <alan_g> duflu: I don't think we have any cursor "use cases" but racarr is working on that. I've seen mentions of touch devices having multiple cursors (up to ten) - but I don't know if that is the same thing (because we've not decided what a cursor is)
[09:57] <duflu> OK, doesn't seem like a big issue
[09:57] <RAOF> alan_g: Actually, Apple touchpads do up to 15 touches, for some reason :)
[09:58]  * alan_g counts fingers, toes, nose and wonders...
[09:58] <RAOF> duflu: Those cursors in MirMotionEvent correspond to touches; unless you think we don't need to support >1 touch, you'll need to keep them all :)
[10:00] <duflu> RAOF: The issue then is you have to assume pointer[0] is the cursor
[10:00] <RAOF> No you don't.
[10:04] <RAOF> Sorry; phone. Let me expound:
[10:05] <RAOF> You don't assume pointer[0] is the cursor; you only move the cursor in response to MirMotionEvents that come from relative input devices; mice, trackpads, etc.
[10:05] <RAOF> And then, generally, only when there's a single entry in pointer[] (because otherwise you're on a touchpad doing something like a two-finger scroll, which shouldn't move the cursor)
[10:06] <duflu> RAOF: Maybe it's just that I never cared to find out the kind of device a motion event comes from, trying to be widely compatible...
[10:07] <RAOF> Yeah, but for cursors you need to care. Because cursors only make sense for relative input devices.
[10:46] <alan_g> is anyone looking at the CI failures? Seems to be bug 1293944
[12:08] <alan_g> alf__: is anyone looking at the CI failures? Seems to be bug 1293944
[12:09] <alf__> alan_g: I am not (not yet at least)
[12:11] <alf__> alan_g: What changed and we are now having this problem? I don't remember having that issue in the past.
[12:13] <alan_g> alf__: I don't know - I've not looked into it either. (It might well "go away" as the CI system images get updated)
[12:19] <alf__> alan_g: it could also be a CI script issue... Why is libmirserver16 even installed at that point? The packages built by CI have libmirserver17 in them.
[12:28] <alan_g> Could it be a transitive dependency? e.g. mesa?
[12:31] <alf__> alan_g: It could, but unfortunately the logs are not verbose enough to see what's being installed
[12:40] <alan_g> alf__: OK I'll go ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng
[12:43] <alan_g> It seems odd that we install *any* to build Mir.
[12:43] <alan_g> **any* Mir library
[14:21] <alan_g> alf__: cjohnston thinks he may have found the CI problem - testing now. (Hopefully we'll see a result before EOD)
[14:22] <cjohnston> alf__: AIUI, with the system-images.u.c changes, that broke our flashing jobs, which prevented devices from being cleaned before the next job ran
[14:22] <alf__> alan_g: cjohnston: thanks!
[14:25] <robotfuel> alan_g: fyi ci is failing because a json file moved on a server and phablet-flash isn't resetting the devices like it should be. the phablet-flash jobs are being updated now.
[14:26] <robotfuel> kgunn: ^
[14:26] <kgunn> thanks for the heads up
[14:26] <kgunn> wondered why our mp's were so "red" this morning
[14:27] <kgunn> thot jenkins was a hater
[15:13] <mterry> alan_g, I just retested all my split stuff with Mir 0.1.7 and I'm seeing similar (not sure if same yet) symptoms to before your fix to the early buffers in nested mode landed.  Were there other changes that might have affected that?
[15:14] <alan_g> mterry: otp - 30min
[15:14] <mterry> np
[15:15] <davmor2> kgunn: I'm not loving mir today
[15:15] <kgunn> got it
[16:40] <alan_g> mterry: sorry - meeting covered a lot more that I expected
[16:40] <mterry> alan_g, no worries, I got sidetracked myself
[16:40] <mterry> alan_g, so!  I remember testing your branch earlier in relative isolation on top of 0.1.6
[16:41] <mterry> alan_g, and what I saw was seamless transitions between my "spinner" app and the greeter.  This was presumably because the greeter didn't create a surface until it had one ready to paint
[16:41] <alan_g> mterry: I'm not aware of there being anything that reverts the changes, but there are some issues seen elsewhere. Mo
[16:41] <mterry> alan_g, today I tested on top of 0.1.7 and I'm seeing a "black gap" between spinner and greeter
[16:42] <mterry> alan_g, not sure if you're familiar with what I mean by spinner
[16:42] <alan_g> mterry: I'm not
[16:42] <alan_g> But these are similar effects to what you describe: <kgunn> bugs -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1294051 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1294053 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1294048
[16:45] <mterry> alan_g, the spinner is just a small client that USC uses when a Mir session is supposed to be focused but isn't ready yet (like on boot, or on lock if the greeter is slow to appear)
[16:45] <alan_g> I guessed as much
[16:46] <mterry> alan_g, and USC switches to the session once it has a surface
[16:48] <alan_g> And the "black gap" was the sort of artifact you saw when the nested session posted buffers prematurely?
[16:49] <alan_g> AlbertA: not sure if you've found anything, but this ^^ sounds like it might be another symptom of the same problem.
[16:49] <mterry> alan_g, yeah
[16:49] <AlbertA> alan_g: yeah I found the issue
[16:49]  * mterry perks up
[16:49] <alan_g> \o/
[16:50] <alan_g> What is it?
[16:50] <AlbertA> alan_g:
[16:50] <AlbertA> alan_g: oops, it's renderable.buffers_ready_for_compositor() > 1;
[16:50] <AlbertA> it should be > 0
[16:50] <AlbertA> in rendering operator
[16:50] <alan_g> It shouldn't
[16:50] <AlbertA> it always misses the last frame
[16:50] <AlbertA> because it's asked
[16:51] <AlbertA> after compositing
[16:51] <AlbertA> not before
[16:51] <alan_g> But the one it just composited is still "ready"
[16:51] <AlbertA> alan_g: nope
[16:51] <alan_g> and shouldn't be counted
[16:51] <AlbertA> alan_g: that
[16:53] <alan_g> AlbertA: but the renderable doesn't know which compositor rendered the buffer: there's always one "ready".
[16:53] <AlbertA> alan_g: ummm
[16:54]  * mterry can easily test to see if it at least solves my problem (as a data point)
[16:54] <AlbertA> alan_g: why would there always be one ready
[16:55] <AlbertA> in any case it does solve the 3 bugs
[16:55] <alan_g> At the expense of always scheduling another compositing pass.
[16:55] <AlbertA> alan_g: because there were buffers ready though
[16:55] <AlbertA> alan_g: from my log the client posted one
[16:56] <AlbertA> alan_g: and it was not composited
[16:56] <AlbertA> alan_g: at the end
[16:56] <AlbertA> alan_g: i.e you see a client_release, but no following compositing step
[16:57] <alan_g> AlbertA: OK that is wrong, but I don't think the fix is right (or at least complete)
[16:57] <AlbertA> alan_g: sounds like a race between asking the number of ready buffers
[16:58] <AlbertA> alan_g: and when compositors release the acquired buffer?
[16:58] <AlbertA> alan_g: from what I gather from your comments
[16:58] <alan_g> The fact that a buffer has been composited doesn't make it unavailable for compositing
[16:59] <alan_g> Because another compositor can use it for the same frameno on a different screen
[16:59] <AlbertA> alan_g: right...but then we need a notion of
[16:59] <AlbertA> alan_g: of buffers not posted by any compositor
[16:59] <AlbertA> alan_g: call I suppose
[17:01] <AlbertA> alan_g: ahh which I guess nCompositors fills that role
[17:03] <alan_g> But compositor B still needs to render the buffer even though compositor A has already done so.
[17:03] <AlbertA> alan_g: yeah I got that
[17:04] <AlbertA> alan_g: just trying to see how we can check the number of pending buffers for a specific compositor
[17:05] <AlbertA> alan_g: since right now rendering operator does not have any knowledge of what compositor is being called from
[17:05] <alan_g> I figured it was the number ready for compositing less the one we just composited.
[17:05] <AlbertA> well in the case of one compositor
[17:05] <AlbertA> only
[17:05] <AlbertA> nready does go down
[17:05] <alan_g> But you're right - that one can have been "eaten" by the client
[17:05] <AlbertA> but for multi compositor it does not for the reasons you mention
[17:06]  * alan_g didn't do enough testing on single monitor setup. /o\
[17:11] <alan_g> So if we move "uncomposited_buffers |= renderable.buffers_ready_for_compositor() > 1;" to the top of the function?
[17:11] <alan_g> We'll get the count we actually want regardless of the number of compositors?
[17:12] <AlbertA> alan_g: I think so, but still racy isn't it between compositors?
[17:14] <alan_g> AlbertA: I think they should see the same value - because the count changes later.
[17:15] <alan_g> But this isn't my favourite code to reason about
[17:17] <kdub> yeah, not mine either
[17:17] <kdub> seems a good time to diffuse some of it though
[17:18] <AlbertA> alan_g: yeah the nReady logic is hard to follow
[17:20] <alan_g> AlbertA: are you set up to test shifting the assignment?
[17:20] <AlbertA> alan_g: I'm about to test it
[17:22] <AlbertA> alan_g: I mean on android, I don't have a multimonitor setup at the moment
[17:22] <alan_g> AlbertA: I do - and am about to build it
[17:23] <mterry> AlbertA, I did test your > 0 change for giggles and it didn't fix the issue I was seeing.  Should I try moving assignment or do you think that means that my problem is not the same?
[17:23] <AlbertA> mterry: probably not the same then
[17:24] <AlbertA> alan_g: yeah moving the assignment works well here
[17:29] <alan_g> AlbertA: I don't see any obvious side-effects on multi-monitor
[17:29] <mterry> alan_g, AlbertA: assuming that wasn't my bug then, I'll take any wild guesses before I start deep-diving to find difference
[17:31] <AlbertA> mterry: yeah this is more about not compositing the last posted buffer from a client
[17:31] <AlbertA> mterry: sounds like you still have a blank buffer kinda issue no?
[17:32] <mterry> AlbertA, alan_g: currently USC is just using the existence of a surface to start showing it.  Should I be calling something like "ready_to_composite()" on the surface/session to confirm it's ready to be shown?
[17:34] <alan_g> mterry: there's a buffer available when swap_buffers after called with a non-nullptr parameter
[17:34] <alan_g> mterry: there's a buffer available after swap_buffers called with a non-nullptr parameter
[17:35] <alan_g> The surface exists as soon as the client creates it
[17:35] <mterry> alan_g, guh, OK.  I have to go back to intercepting swap_buffers.  When I tested with your branch before, I didn't need to bother with that, so I assumed things had changed.  No biggie.  I can test with that
[17:35] <mterry> alan_g, thanks
[17:44] <anpok> hm is there something wrong with nested in devel?
[17:45] <alan_g> anpok: other than ^^?
[17:46] <anpok> :)
[17:46] <anpok> if i start demo shell as root, chmod 666, then conenct another demo shell as user, vt switch does not hang.. everything seems fine
[17:47] <anpok> as soon as I start e.g. finger paint connecting to the nested shell vt freezes
[17:48] <alan_g> anpok: are the server processes still running?
[17:52] <anpok> sleeping all of them.
[17:54] <alan_g> anpok: what about simpler clients? mir_demo_client_basic for example?
[17:54] <anpok> not yet tried .. first tried on my branch then on devel ..
[17:55] <anpok> if it fails you see me reconnect..
[17:55] <anpok> since restarting x did not help either
[17:57] <alan_g> anpok: the other thing to try is sshing in and "sudo chvt"
[18:02] <alan_g> AlbertA: it also fixes lp:1290306
[18:03] <AlbertA> alan_g: really? nice
[18:03] <AlbertA> alan_g: so screencasting should be fixed by this too then...let me try
[18:11] <AlbertA> alan_g: is the sync logic supposed to track the fastest compositor or the slowest?
[18:11] <AlbertA> alan_g: I suppose the fastest making the other drop frames when necessary?
[18:16] <AlbertA> the issue with screencasting is if the screencast compositor renders faster than the display compositor
[18:16] <AlbertA> the display compositor starts dropping frames
[18:16] <AlbertA> I suppose to catch up
[18:16] <AlbertA> so the clients think they are rendering faster
[18:17] <alan_g> AlbertA: I'm not 100% certain. duflu chose the algorithm
[18:17] <AlbertA> but for the special case of screencasting it whould be the other way around
[18:17] <alan_g> Anyway, I'm past EOD - so if there's nothing urgent?
[18:18] <AlbertA> alan_g: no, just rambling
[21:23] <dansuf> Hi, I'm porting touch to my phone, I've got this error when running lightdm: http://pastebin.com/KMaQKNEL
[21:24] <dansuf> and in unity-system-compositor-log I've got this error:
[21:24] <dansuf>  terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'
[21:24] <dansuf>    what():  error during hwc set()
[21:26] <kdub> dansuf come back!
[21:29] <anpok> adreno200
[23:40] <mterry> If I wanted to call "set_focus_to(session1); set_focus_to(session2)" in USC, how do I guard that so that the user doesn't see a peak of session1?  Compositor::stop/start?  Scene::lock/unlock?
[23:44] <kgunn> racarr_: ^ ?
[23:44] <kgunn> i would have guessed, never start the compositor
[23:44] <kgunn> ....
[23:45] <kgunn> kdub: or AlbertA might know as well... ^^
[23:47] <kdub> where did he go...
[23:47] <AlbertA> yeah I would say don't start the compositor until after session2 focus
[23:56] <kdub> why would the compositor affect the input focus?
[23:57] <AlbertA> I believe he's trying to hide the surface more than anything
[23:59] <mterry> AlbertA, kdub: I want the graphics system to not make any immediate changes when I do set_focus_to(session1), but wait until I'm done setting focus to(session2)
[23:59] <mterry> or at least, not render the changes


[09:15] <rmg51> Morning
[11:53] <jedijf> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/03/28/ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-final-beta-released/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-final-beta-released
[11:53] <jedijf> Update from fridge: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released
[12:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:55] <ChinnoDog> morning
[16:30] <pvl1> morning
[16:37] <lazyPower> o/ everyone
[16:38] <JonathanD> hi
[16:40] <pvl1> how are you lazyPower
[16:40] <lazyPower> I'm doing well. Gearing up for a sprint in DC next week and a presentation at CMU on Friday
[16:41] <lazyPower> next week is going to be busy
[16:41] <lazyPower> How about you pvl1?
[16:48] <pvl1> oi im sick
[16:48] <pvl1> caught the current filly plauge
[16:48] <pvl1> (spelling?)
[18:25] <InHisName> Hey I just got something from FreedomPop  it is WiFi/WiMAX with a USB cable.   Is there a way to hook the USB to Ubuntu and see if I can access the internet via that dongle ?   If I could make an active connection via ifconfig, that would offer a bunch of possibilities.
[18:28] <pvl1> should work InHisName
[18:29] <InHisName> I'm ready to implement commands.  Just don't know what to activate so I can see "ifconfig usb0"
[18:31] <pvl1> ah
[18:31] <pvl1> well first and foremost
[18:31] <pvl1> what does dmesg | tail give you
[18:32] <InHisName> one web site uses terms like "gadget USB" to install.  Not real interested in adding software if I can help it.
[18:32] <pvl1> i doubt you need to
[18:32] <pvl1> as long as the kernel recognizes the module
[18:32] <pvl1> you would just need to adjust your /etc/network/interfaces file
[18:33] <InHisName> OK, I'll go try some stuff and be back in a bit.
[18:35] <InHisName> found USB using uhci_HCD  { or similar}
[18:35] <InHisName> was in dmesg
[18:37] <pvl1> sounds like it recognized it
[18:37] <pvl1> lsusb
[18:39] <InHisName> lsusb <-- command not found.      (is old linux on old laptop)
[18:39] <pvl1> ah
[18:39] <pvl1> well
[18:39] <pvl1> lets give it a shot
[18:39] <InHisName> bang
[18:39] <pvl1> sudo ifconfig usb0 up && sudo dhclient -v usb0
[18:40] <InHisName> ok, off to try
[18:49] <InHisName> Grrr, can't remember the pwd for sudo/root
[18:52] <pvl1> boot up in recovery
[18:52] <InHisName> And then ?
[18:53] <InHisName> don't I still need root pwd ?
[18:55] <jedijf> InHisName: Append init=/bin/bash at the end of line in grub
[18:56] <pvl1> jedijf: wow i would have never thought of that
[18:56] <jedijf> then change passwd and try to remember it
[19:07] <InHisName> Booting up in PCLinuxOS failsafe
[19:08] <InHisName> last 2 lines show:   ACPI: PCI INterrupt:   setups.   then seems to hang there.
[19:15] <jedijf> hah, i should have read backlog ....tail -f /var/log/syslog is your friend....when booted - then plug in usb device and watch
[19:16] <jedijf> your answers will be revealed...or not...which is an answer
[19:54] <InHisName> Now can't boot at all with any of the three partitions.   WinXP,  Ubuntu 9.x, PCLinuxOS  all start for a few seconds then hang and make NO more progress at booting up.   Uggghhhh !
[19:55] <InHisName> I unplugged the USB dongle thingy and tried all three again.  NO change. Fooey
[19:57] <pvl1> how far does boot process get
[19:59] <InHisName> 2 to 5 seconds into it.      Windows XP  three swipes with blue thing, then runs off and no more.
[19:59] <pvl1> so grub is working yes
[20:00] <InHisName> PCLinuxOS  has graphic similar to winxp with moving bauble.   No bauble even starts on that one.
[20:00] <pvl1> InHisName: try to custom boot pclinuxos, and take away quiet splash
[20:00] <InHisName> Yes grub works and starts the partition for a few seconds.  Then it freezes.
[20:01] <InHisName> Ok,  off to try
[20:01] <InHisName> got 17 minuts left till sch bus comes.  Then done til 9pm
[20:05] <InHisName> PCLinuxOS with splash off, hangs right after the same 2 lines that Ubuntu shows and hangs at.
[20:05] <pvl1> jeez what did you do
[20:05] <InHisName> Both OSes   ---  >   last 2 lines show:   ACPI: PCI INterrupt:   setups.   then seems to hang there.
[20:06] <InHisName> Don't know.
[20:06] <pvl1> at this point, i would reset bios settings, and pull battery. press and hold power button. let everything flush out
[20:07] <InHisName> I may have allterd som things in pclinusos, but how to affect 2 other partitions that used to boot in 2010.
[20:08] <pvl1> what did you change in grub
[20:09] <InHisName> Bios battery is dead, now.  I'm running with default.  PCLinuxOS did come up 3X with the dead bios battery this year.
[20:10] <InHisName> Aren't the grub changes temporary for ONE boot normally ?
[20:11] <pvl1> not that i think so
[20:12] <InHisName> the /init=/bin/bash   that I added once ,   was gone next time I booted and checked.  It was back to original.
[20:21] <InHisName> b bak at 9
[20:52] <jedijf> es those changes are temporary - only permanent with a menu.lst or /etc/default/grub(grub2) edit and then a sudo update-grub
[20:52] <jedijf> yes those changes...^
[20:53] <jedijf> so if you get it right, make it right, permanently, or at least for the next 4 years
[20:54] <jedijf> InHisName: wrong date is the fail - that's the boot fail if cmos is dead - go to bios set right, or close date, save changes, reboot - it should boot like 2010
[20:54] <jedijf> in my experience
[20:55] <jedijf> order cmos battery


[07:18] <irgendwer4711> hi, who is responsible for bug management?
[14:09] <AlbertA_> Kaleo: trying crossbuilder here....failing with
[14:09] <AlbertA_> "error: Error calling 'lxd forkstart builder-qtmir-ubuntu-sdk-15-04-amd64-armhf-dev /var/lib/lxd/containers /var/log/lxd/builder-qtmir-ubuntu-sdk-15-04-amd64-armhf-dev/lxc.conf': err='exit status 1'"


[00:59] <thewrath> where can i find what all the bug status' mean
[01:08] <Ryan52> thewrath: the wiki.
[01:09] <Ryan52> thewrath: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[01:09] <thewrath> found it all ready
[01:09] <thewrath> thank you thoughs ir
[01:10] <thewrath> was trying to find what bug 220006 and bug 305907 meant
[02:08] <dtchen> thewrath: 220006 updated
[02:08] <dtchen> thanks
[02:08] <thewrath> dtchen: thanks
[02:10] <thewrath> dtchen: r u thanking me
[02:10] <thewrath> what is that, try model=medion?
[02:11] <dtchen> that's the proper quirk for that SSID
[02:12] <thewrath> 220006 is the sound issue
[02:13] <dtchen> thewrath: yes, i know. i asked for additional information.
[02:13] <thewrath> oh ok
[02:13] <thewrath> hwere i dont see ur comment
[02:14] <dtchen> you just mentioned it
[02:14] <thewrath> model=medion ?
[02:15] <thewrath> where do i put htat?
[02:15] <dtchen> thewrath: echo options snd-hda-intel model=medion|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/test.conf
[02:15] <thewrath> i will post that in the am
[02:16] <dtchen> you will need to reboot
[02:16] <thewrath> after i do that?
[02:17] <dtchen> yes, after the echo..test.conf bit, reboot
[02:17] <thewrath> k
[02:17] <thewrath> and see if i got audio at that point?
[02:18] <dtchen> after you reboot, yes
[02:19] <thewrath> then i will post
[02:19] <thewrath> i am goign to go lay down before bed
[02:19] <thewrath> i will post
[02:19] <dtchen> i'm going by Snowball2050's alsa-info.sh output, however.
[02:19] <thewrath> dtchen: look for a response before 12p EST tomorrow
[02:19] <dtchen> you didn't provide yours, so i don't know if it's identical
[02:19] <thewrath> what if that doesnt work how do i get it back
[02:20] <dtchen> rm /etc/modprobe.d/test.conf
[02:20] <thewrath> my sound comes through headphoens only not comptuer speakers is my issue
[02:20] <dtchen> you really should download http://www.alsa-project/alsa-info.sh and run it
[02:20] <thewrath> is that the asme issue
[02:21] <thewrath> i did hold on i posted it somewhere
[02:21] <dtchen> err, you used an older kernel
[02:21] <thewrath> ?
[02:21] <dtchen> and your model isn't correct
[02:22] <dtchen> you should *not* use model=medion
[02:22] <dtchen> let me look
[02:22] <thewrath> k
[02:22] <thewrath> you see where i posted it
[02:22] <dtchen> it's an older one, and i need an updated one
[02:22] <thewrath> can you link me where you see my post
[02:22] <dtchen> i.e., boot into Jaunty Beta
[02:22] <thewrath> i need to go to bed
[02:22] <thewrath> or i would do that
[02:23] <dtchen> it's comment 10
[02:23] <thewrath> on what page
[02:23] <dtchen> well, catch me about this time tomorrow
[02:23] <thewrath> k
[02:23] <dtchen> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220006/comments/10
[02:23] <thewrath> that is not mine
[02:24] <thewrath> i am known as m. brown on launchpad
[02:24] <dtchen> err, which one is yours?
[02:24] <dtchen> ugh, please be clear about which bug report is yours
[02:24] <thewrath> i never said which one was mine
[02:24] <dtchen> hence the confusion
[02:24] <thewrath> i was told that bug was the one i was expericning
[02:24] <thewrath> can i see my contribbutions
[02:25] <dtchen> i cannot further diagnose your issue unless you run the alsa-info.sh
[02:25] <thewrath> k
[02:25] <thewrath> i will tomorrow morning
[02:25] <dtchen> or link me to your bug report
[02:25] <thewrath> is ur name usually in here and u just afk
[02:25] <dtchen> yes, i'm generally at work
[02:25] <thewrath> k
[02:25] <thewrath> i will send you a pm with the link of it
[02:25] <dtchen> i won't respond during USA business hours (EDT)
[02:26] <thewrath> that is fine i undrestand
[02:26] <thewrath> is that .com or what
[02:26] <dtchen> sorry?
[02:26] <thewrath> its .org
[02:26] <thewrath> the website
[02:26] <thewrath> didnt have a TLd
[02:26] <thewrath> but i got to go to bed
[02:26] <thewrath> ttyl
[05:48] <dholbach> good morning
[06:50] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:28] <YoBoY> strange i found a bug ( bug 112165 ) reported on a package i can't find on my system ¬_¬"
[07:31] <wgrant> YoBoY: That's because it's the wrong package.
[07:31] <wgrant> Binaries for that package doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
[07:31] <wgrant> (it's m68k and mips only)
[07:31] <YoBoY> hum... ok
[07:31] <wgrant> YoBoY: The correct package is likely to be ubiquity.
[07:33] <YoBoY> don't know if the correct package is ubiquity or not, the bug is old and miss informations to identify this
[07:33] <wgrant> It is certainly about ubiquity, but it may be a bug in something further down the stack.
[07:33] <wgrant> Assign it to ubiquity for now.
[07:34] <wgrant> That is certainly more correct than partitioner.
[07:36] <YoBoY> ok, i reassign to ubiquity and see if there is no duplicates
[07:36] <YoBoY> tanks
[09:24] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:29] <thekorn> hello BUGabundo
[09:29] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[12:28] <BUGabundo> where would this bug be: when I get 'some' updates, services that were off, are restart (stuff like bluetooth, samba, apache, mysql)
[12:29] <BUGabundo> if I had them turned off, why would the installer restart ??
[12:32] <ogra> depends how you turned them off
[12:34] <BUGabundo> on defauls
[12:34] <ogra> ??
[12:34] <BUGabundo> or using GUI Services
[12:34] <ogra> what did you do to turn them off
[12:35] <BUGabundo> ogra: most of them via Services on System-Admin
[12:35] <ogra> if you used the gui tool thats a bug, it should properly move the S links to K links in rcX.d ...if you simply remove symlinks manually that *doesnt* turn off anything in a persistent manner
[12:36] <ogra> the latter is expected behavior and properly documented in update-rc.d
[12:37] <BUGabundo> I don't remove links manually from /etc/RC
[12:38] <ogra> well, then thats likely a bug in how the gui handles it
[12:41] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:41] <BUGabundo> will need someone to confirm it
[12:41] <BUGabundo> it "always" happened to me
[13:02] <e-jat> may i know y http://paste.ubuntu.com/138930/ <-- happened ?
[13:02]  * BUGabundo blames every bug today on python
[13:04] <e-jat> :(
[13:12] <liw> could someone mark 349336 as "triaged"? bug launchpad priviledges don't allow that (I'm the developer of computer-janitor, and I think it's triaged by now)
[13:13] <thekorn> bug 349336
[13:14] <thekorn> liw, done
[13:14] <liw> thekorn, thanks
[13:34] <thewrath> can anyone comment on 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[13:34] <thewrath> supporint ALSA
[13:48] <thewrath> hey all
[13:48] <thewrath> whos all in here that starts with d
[14:01] <thekorn> boo
[14:02] <bddebian> Boo too :)
[14:18] <BUGabundo> Foo
[14:27] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/332479
[14:27] <thewrath> the first two comments on 3-18-09
[14:27] <thewrath> how do i implement the fix
[14:59] <marctww> ah here it is!
[14:59] <marctww> the channel i was looking for!
[14:59] <marctww> Anyone here have experience with what looks like a redraw-bug with nvidia-177.82 driver in Ubuntu 8.10?
[15:17] <Ampelbein> marctww: bug #269904 propably? but its fixed in intrepid.
[15:20] <marctww> its ubuntu 8.10 Ampelbein
[15:20] <marctww> what do you mean fixed?
[15:22] <Ampelbein> marctww: yeah, ubuntu 8.10 = intrepid ibex
[15:22] <marctww> its not fixed then
[15:22] <marctww> im having it with ubuntnu 8.10
[15:22] <marctww> how can that be?
[15:25] <Ampelbein> look at the bugreport, perhaps you have to enable some options or another driver.
[15:31] <marctww> Ampelbein: that looks like my problem
[15:31] <marctww> thanks alot
[15:33] <james_w> go go pedro_!
[15:34] <pedro_> james_w: ah?
[15:34] <james_w> all the duplicates of the python problem you've been adding
[15:35] <pedro_> james_w: ah yes I'm checking the list of new bugs every a few minutes to catch those ;-)
[15:35]  * BUGabundo cought all those spam mail cought
[15:35] <BUGabundo> :)
[15:35] <pedro_> isn't too bad yet
[15:36]  * pedro_ stills remember the crash on exit of the mono related apps
[15:37] <pedro_> that was horrible
[15:38] <BUGabundo> or gutsy glib6
[15:38] <BUGabundo> or hardy kernel fixed at last min before build
[15:38] <BUGabundo> or e1000e
[15:38] <BUGabundo> I guess we have at least on critical bug before RC on every cycle
[15:40] <hggdh> interesting. After rebooting with latest kernel, I cannot connect through my wireless (using b43)
[15:42] <BUGabundo> hggdh: drop kernel backport ?
[15:43] <hggdh> BUGabundo, well, it was a standard synaptic update. I am now looking a the logs
[15:45] <hggdh> I am going to reboot, and check
[15:49] <BUGabundo> dholbach: ping. pvt please
[15:51] <hggdh> go figure. A second reboot after the kernel update made wireless work again
[15:51] <BUGabundo> oops?
[15:52] <hggdh> did not see any logged...
[15:53] <hggdh> the error was reported on <gasp> NetworkManager...
[15:54] <hggdh> heh. But now auto-eth0 failed on N-M...
[16:09] <mcas> hi
[16:10] <BUGabundo> mcas: hey
[16:11] <mcas> i need some help with my own bug
[16:11] <mcas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/349173
[16:11] <mcas> i 've seen that this is partly related to another bug
[16:12] <mcas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346589
[16:12] <mcas> this one
[16:12] <mcas> i didn't know this message is a bug, too
[16:13] <mcas> so the only question is, if the second dialog i see the wrong button label is in english wrong, too
[17:17] <bromic94> hey all
[17:44] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: are you present?
[17:45] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: too soon for Dan
[17:45] <BUGabundo> try in an hour or 2
[17:45] <bcurtiswx> BUGabondo: lol aww.. ok :P
[17:45] <bcurtiswx> i was gonna tell him i found the answer to my crackling problems
[18:07] <charlie-tca> hggdh: yes
[18:11] <hggdh> charlie-tca, thank you
[18:11] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[18:12]  * hggdh finally decided to get out of the closet ;-)
[20:13] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: ok
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: thanks for the help though.  much appreciated
[20:15] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: keep in mind that to prevent regressions from previous Ubuntu releases, pulseaudio will always honour ~/.asoundrc for native alsa apps. it was an intentional SRU for 8.10, so i of course can't prevent people from hanging themselves.
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: it helps us bug reporters for jaunty sound issues to ask if that file was altered at all
[20:16] <dtchen> that file should not exist in a fresh install
[20:16] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: is there any way to revert that to default (in the case users don't remember what they changed) ?
[20:16] <dtchen> it is only created by hand or by explicitly running (a frontend to) asoundconf
[20:17] <dtchen> alsa-info.sh will print ~/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf
[20:17] <dtchen> that's why i always ask for alsa-info.sh output regardless
[20:18] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: is it bad practice to have users rename those files temporarily and restart pulse to see if the problems still exist?
[20:18] <dtchen> no, that's perfectly valid
[20:18] <dtchen> and one doesn't need to restart pulseaudio; simply killing pulseaudio will suffice due to autospawn
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: ok
[20:19] <dtchen> although, to be frank, killing pulseaudio is a red herring
[20:19] <dtchen> you need do nothing to pulseaudio itself. it's native alsa apps that are concerned with ~/.asoundrc. pulseaudio ignores it.
[20:22] <dtchen> i.e., anything configured to use alsa directly (via plug or default or whatever one has defined in ~/.asoundrc) would exhibit such symptoms
[20:22] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: i think this is important information for triagers (because i imagine lots of sound issue bugs will pop up), whats the best way to spread this to all the triagers?
[20:22] <dtchen> "run alsa-info.sh"
[20:22] <dtchen> that's the one best way to get everything i need
[20:23] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: yup, thats in the sound debugging section of debugging proceedures.. im talking about reading that and noticing old entires in those files (to have them rename the file and have user kill to restart)
[20:24] <dtchen> unfortunately it can't be a cookie-cutter recipe
[20:24] <dtchen> your issue is quite specific to your perices use case *and* HDA codec
[20:24] <dtchen> precise*
[20:24] <dtchen> sheesh, lag over 3G is horrendous
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> yup, undetstood
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> understood*
[20:36] <the99zChris> can anyone help me? i restored my xorg file (didn't help original problem) but now i can't set my screen resolution low enough to play games...(hardy
[20:37] <dtchen> i think you misdirected ; that's really more appropriately in #ubuntu
[20:37] <the99zChris> i know sorry, no help there after 30 minutes of trying
[20:44] <BUGabundo> apw: this is what im getting from kernel oops on every boot or resume http://paste.ubuntu.com/139185/
[20:44] <BUGabundo> it mentions dtchen code too
[20:53] <dtchen> BUGabundo: cat /proc/version_signature
[20:54] <BUGabundo> Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.38-generic
[20:54] <dtchen> hmm, i'm pretty sure you still have vestiges of my kernel somewhere
[20:54] <dtchen> there's no way -11.38 could have my schroot build path
[20:55] <dtchen> right
[20:55] <dtchen> see line 6
[20:55] <dtchen> try blowing away your initramfs and creating it from scratch
[20:56] <dtchen> (you'll need to reboot, of course)
[20:59] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: sorry
[20:59] <BUGabundo1> system froze right after I echoed that
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:54 < BUGabundo> Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.38-generic
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:54 < dtchen> hmm, i'm pretty sure you still have vestiges of my kernel somewhere
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:54 < dtchen> there's no way -11.38 could have my schroot build path
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:55 < dtchen> right
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:55 < dtchen> see line 6
[20:59] <dtchen> 13:55 < dtchen> try blowing away your initramfs and creating it from scratch
[21:00] <dtchen> 13:56 < dtchen> (you'll need to reboot, of course)
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> ok did the last part agaist my will
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> it just fired again, and I had /var/crash clean!
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: how can I redo initrams?
[21:02] <dtchen> update-initramfs -d ; update-initramfs -c (or just reinstall the current linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic)
[21:04] <BUGabundo1> reinstalling now
[21:06] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: done!
[21:06] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: if you reinstall, you still need to have removed the existing initramfses
[21:06] <BUGabundo1> I deleted them before reinstaling
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-10-generic
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
[21:07] <dtchen> ok, make sure you regenerate initramfses for kernels you wish to boot
[21:07] <dtchen> ^^^^^^
[21:08] <BUGabundo1> doesn't re-installing do that?
[21:08] <dtchen> only for the currently installing one.
[21:08] <BUGabundo1> its the only one I need...
[21:08] <dtchen> well, you have been warned.
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> don't know why I still had 27-7 around
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> lol
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: if anything fails, I'll boot from usb, and chroot
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> to fix