[12:59] <Meyer> sei
[05:30] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 11 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 20:00: Community Council | 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu
[08:37] <sfllaw> @schedule montreal
[08:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 11 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 May 17:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 08:00: Community Council | 17 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu
[09:50] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 15:00: Community Council | 17 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 23:00: Edubuntu
[09:52] <mdz> morning all
[09:52] <Kinnison> Hi mdz
[09:53] <sfllaw> mdz: Morning.
[09:53] <Riddell> hi
[09:53] <seb128> hey mdz
[09:53] <ogra> *yawn*
[09:54] <fabbione> morning
[09:55] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach, heno,  Kamion, keybuk, Mithrandir, mvo,  pitti,
[09:55] <dholbach> pong
[09:55] <Mithrandir> ehlo
[09:56] <Keybuk> JaneW:
[09:56] <ranf> hi
[09:58] <JaneW> waiting for BenC, doko,  Kamion,
[09:59] <ogra> *his bath
[09:59] <Kamion> hello
[09:59] <heno> hello
[10:00] <sfllaw> ogra: No Pants Day was last week.
[10:00] <ogra> :P
[10:00] <JaneW> still waiting for BenC & doko
[10:00] <mdz> time to get started
[10:01] <mdz> will SMS  BenC
[10:01] <fabbione> somebody sends an SMS to benc?
[10:01] <fabbione> score
[10:01] <mdz> sfllaw: you're up first
[10:01] <sfllaw> Backwards again?
[10:01] <sfllaw> STATISTICS
[10:01] <sfllaw> [10:01] <sfllaw> Since last week's Distro meeting...
[10:01] <sfllaw> Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 1218 -> 1152
[10:01] <sfllaw> Needs Info bugs: 1341 -> 1356
[10:01] <sfllaw> Dapper bugs: 106 -> 104
[10:01] <sfllaw> Bugs without packages: 1056 -> 998
[10:01] <sfllaw> Ever since we started the current Bug Day, until now, we have closed 316 bugs.
[10:01] <sfllaw> SUMMARY
[10:01] <sfllaw> [10:01] <sfllaw> Bug triaging, bug triaging, bug triaging.
[10:01] <sfllaw> Met with lifeless and BenC about kernel bug triaging.
[10:02] <sfllaw> Organised stuff in the wiki to support bug triaging.
[10:02] <sfllaw> Collected volunteers to do bug triaging, and then trained them.
[10:02] <sfllaw> To do: Create the dial-up team.
[10:02] <sfllaw> And more triaging.
[10:02] <pitti> doko's mobile is off, sorry
[10:03] <infinity> pitti: The same doko who just joined the channel?
[10:03] <mdz> pitti: he just joined
[10:03] <pitti> oh, heh; doko: good morning :)
[10:03] <Riddell> "dial-up team" good idea, kppp needs some testing
[10:03] <sfllaw> I should probably fix my WvDial bugs too, eh?
[10:03] <infinity> sfllaw: Yes please, so I can sync your Debian changes.
[10:04] <mdz> sfllaw: might want to skip the headings and otherwise shorten your paste, so it doesn't get so throttled
[10:04] <sfllaw> Ah.  I wasn't ready, so I was typing the summary on the fly.
[10:04] <sfllaw> I expected to be on the end, this week.
[10:04] <mdz> aha
[10:04] <mdz> sfllaw: when there are stragglers, we often start at the opposite end ;-)
[10:05] <mdz> sfllaw: thanks for the stats
[10:05] <mdz> wiki is looking good as well
[10:05] <mdz> seb128: next?
[10:05] <seb128> this week: bugs triage and fixing (still lot of new bugs, not easy to keep up with dholbach busy on icons and other stuff most of the time)
[10:05] <seb128> next week: bugs triage and fixing
[10:06] <pitti> seb128: that's 100% the same as last week :)
[10:06] <mdz> dholbach: I asked mvo to see if he could help you with icons
[10:06] <seb128> pitti: yeah, my weeks are boring :p
[10:06] <dholbach> mdz: yes, I'll chat with him after the meeting - thanks.
[10:06] <seb128> pitti: but I didn't mention dholbach being busy previous week I think
[10:06] <mdz> seb128: any new bugs of note?
[10:07] <seb128> "of note"?
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: I think I shall find some time this week to tackle the gnomevfs naming weirdness, maybe with some hints from you
[10:07] <mdz> seb128: worth mentioning
[10:07] <seb128> pitti: would be nice :)
[10:07] <seb128> mdz: not really, most of new bugs are duplicates or minor issues
[10:07] <mdz> that's my impression as well
[10:07] <seb128> mdz: the number of dapper milestoned bugs is going down
[10:07] <seb128> which is good :)
[10:07] <dholbach> yeah
[10:08] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[10:08] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[10:08] <Riddell> done: flight 7 testing, linuxtag meetings, memory requirements testing, breezy upgrade testing, bugfixing, ubiquity programming
[10:08] <Riddell> also: testing heno's winfoss (really nice), testing new adept
[10:08] <Riddell> next week: bug triage and fixing
[10:08] <mdz> Riddell: happy with ubiquity now?
[10:09] <Riddell> mdz: I've some changes to push today but yes it's working well
[10:10] <mdz> Riddell: I came across that old ICEauthority ownership bug and thought it warranted a look for dapper; any other long-standing bugs that deserve attention for the release?
[10:11] <Riddell> changing timezones needs to be looked at, it doesn't make the symlinks correctly
[10:11] <Kamion> ubiquity worldclock needs to be sorted out or deferred
[10:11] <Kamion> and the qtparted comes-up-with-the-wrong-size bug needs to be sorted
[10:11] <pitti> mdz: in kubuntu? gdm has a function for sanitizing .ICEauthority, this could be copied if necessary (it's not nice, but works)
[10:11] <Riddell> pitti: interesting
[10:11] <Kamion> Riddell: would you mind subscribing to ubiquity bugmail? a lot of the new ones coming in are KDE-specific
[10:11] <Riddell> Kamion: probably deferred
[10:12] <pitti> Riddell: let's talk after the meeting if you want
[10:12] <mdz> pitti: I referred to bug #8785
[10:12] <Riddell> Kamion: ok (although any that mention kde already come though to me)
[10:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 8785 in kdelibs "kdeinit changes ownership of ~/.ICEauthority if run via (a kde program via) sudo" [Major,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/8785
[10:12] <Kamion> Riddell: they do? you don't show up as subscribed
[10:12] <Kamion> oh, you have a mad ubuntu-bugs filter I guess
[10:12] <Riddell> Kamion: I filter ubuntu-ubugs on kde and kubuntu
[10:13] <Riddell> mdz: that one should be fixed, will investigate
[10:13] <mdz> Riddell: yes, I know; I made the fix ;-)
[10:13] <mdz> it was 1.5 years old and seemed to generate a lot of questions on the lists and forums
[10:14] <mdz> anyway, something to look for as you're browsing the bug list.  fixing that sort of bug is a win for polish
[10:14] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[10:14] <mdz> pitti: next?
[10:14] <pitti> reducing-duplication: no progress since last week
[10:14] <pitti> firewall: bounty deadline is over; I contacted Carsten three weeks ago, and again last week; the final settlements with his uni got delayed a bit because he got ill, but now he is well and up again and promised to contact me soon
[10:14] <pitti> general stuff done in the past two week:
[10:14] <pitti>  * some security updates (quite a few not-too-terrible ones are outstanding, will catch up soon)
[10:14] <pitti>  * bug fixing
[10:14] <pitti>  * cups 1.2 final! yeah!
[10:14] <pitti>  * fixed a bunch of packages missing a POT file; together with mvo and Riddell we killed the original list; carlos updated it yesterday, we are almost there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissingPotFiles
[10:15] <pitti>  * bug triage status: At the expense of spending half of my day on Malone every day, I am now in control of my bugs; assigned and +packagebugs (exception: gnome-cups-manager) are all at least looked at, have correct severity, and the low-hanging fruit bugs and most of the really bad ones are fixed
[10:15] <mdz> ogra: it's only that a lot of people ran k3b under sudo
[10:15] <pitti> plan for next week:
[10:15] <pitti>  * deal with final bits of POT file generation in packages, coordinate with carlos, build new langpacks tomorrow
[10:15] <ogra> ah
[10:15] <pitti>  * start gnome-cups-manager bug triage and fix some which bite many people
[10:15] <pitti>  * finally deal with SoC applications (yes, I'm a slacker, sorry)
[10:15] <JaneW> pitti!
[10:15] <ogra> pitti, we could send you pygi :)
[10:15] <JaneW> we have till 22 to finalise those, so we mustn't lag to much...
[10:15] <pitti> ogra: pygi what for?
[10:16] <mdz> pitti: any dapper-targeted bugs on your list?
[10:16] <ogra> pitti, nagging you to do your SoC stuff, he's pretty good in that :)
[10:16] <pitti> mdz: yes, 8 so far
[10:16] <mdz> pitti: all fixable in time for the release?
[10:16] <pitti> mdz: I'll take a look at my bug list again soon and will probably mark some more, but the current list is pretty good, I think
[10:17] <seb128> (pitti: thank you for not mentionning me on the POT update task :p)
[10:17] <pitti> mdz: 'Gimp help files are not installed by default' (bug 14597) requires some discussion, the rest should be fine
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14597 in gimp "Gimp help files are not installed by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14597
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: oops, sorry
[10:17] <seb128> np ;)
[10:17] <pitti> yes, seb128 rocked there
[10:18] <pitti> mdz: oh, bug 23102 is not for dapper, sorry
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23102 in gnome-volume-manager "Enable autoprinter by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23102
[10:18] <mdz> unfortunately there are quite a few bugs with bogus milestones due to random people setting them
[10:18] <mdz> but I try to prune the list from time to time
[10:18] <mdz> I've asked for malone to show in a tooltip who set the milestone, and also to have some access control for changing it
[10:19] <mdz> thanks pitti
[10:19] <mdz> ogra: next?
[10:19] <ogra> * general: doc work, bug triage, linuxtag talk, fixed all non whishlist ltsp bugs, dropped all unused sounds from gcompris binaries (gains 5.5M on the CD)
[10:19] <ogra> * next-week: triage/fix RC bugs, flight 8, final polish (artwork/docs) for edubuntu CDs
[10:19] <mdz> ogra: how was linuxtag for you?
[10:19] <ogra> great
[10:20] <ogra> i'm invited to talk in front of teachers from a district in baden wuertemberg
[10:20] <ogra> (mvo's area)
[10:20] <sfllaw> Stylish!
[10:20] <ogra> they probably want to use edubuntu on several schools there
[10:20] <mdz> about how many people attended the Ubuntu talks?
[10:20] <ogra> marks ~500
[10:20] <ogra> i havent seen raphnik
[10:20] <ogra> mine ~70-80
[10:20] <ogra> Riddell, might know about raphniks
[10:21] <Riddell> he had about the same size audience as ogra did
[10:21] <dholbach> mvo: we had about 120+?
[10:21] <mvo> yeah > 100 I think, the room was pretty filed
[10:21] <mdz> ogra: is the final artwork/docs ready to be uploaded today?
[10:21] <ogra> for me the intresting part was that the people followed me for another 30min afterwards :)
[10:21] <ogra> mdz, yep
[10:21] <mdz> ogra: did they ask for your autograph? ;-)
[10:21] <dholbach> they asked for mine! WHOOO!
[10:22] <ogra> hehe, nope, but a lot ltsp and edubuntu questions :)
[10:22] <juliux> dholbach, and you didnt give me one ;)
[10:22] <mdz> nice
[10:22] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[10:22] <mdz> mvo: next?
[10:22] <mvo> Did:
[10:22] <mvo> * linuxtag presentation with dholbach
[10:22] <mvo> * bug triage/fixing (lvm2, devmapper, update-manager, unattended-upgrades, gnome-app-install, update-notifier, dist-upgrader, ..)
[10:22] <mvo> * upgrade testing
[10:22] <mvo> * Goggle SoC review
[10:22] <mvo> * 3rd party packages work (for the app-installer)
[10:22] <mvo> Will do:
[10:22] <mvo> * more bugfixing/bug triage
[10:22] <mvo> * help dholbach with the icons
[10:22] <mvo> * setup ppc auto-dist-upgrade (either infinites ppc or dholbachs new but aged g4 ppc machine)
[10:23] <fabbione> mvo: do you want access to mine too?
[10:23] <fabbione> i can slam it somewhere online for you
[10:23] <mdz> mvo: for some reason, awareness of the dist-upgrade feature in update-manager seems to be low still
[10:23] <mdz> mvo: according to elmo there were relatively few downloads of it during the days after beta
[10:23] <mvo> mdz: I can announce it again (maybe on u-d-a?)
[10:24] <mdz> I've also corrected people on -users about the best way to upgrade
[10:24] <mdz> I think that people just don't click through to the upgrade instructions if they have done it before
[10:24] <mvo> fabbione: yeah, lets talk about it after the meeting
[10:24] <mdz> or read the release notes
[10:24] <fabbione> mvo: yup
[10:24] <mdz> mvo: maybe something on the fridge?  someone's blog on planet?
[10:24] <dholbach> a blog entry with screenshot might help :)
[10:24] <dholbach> i can do that
[10:25] <mdz> ok, cool
[10:25] <mvo> dholbach: can you do it? that would be lovely
[10:25] <dholbach> mvo: add it to the list of things to chat about
[10:25] <mvo> blog
[10:25] <mdz> mvo: any bugs found in upgrade testing?
[10:25] <mvo> mdz: no, we look good currently, one issue with nvidia-glx and dpkg-divert needs more investigation
[10:25] <mdz> I hate that package
[10:26] <infinity> Amen.
[10:26] <infinity> mvo: I seem to recall following up to that bug.
[10:26] <mvo> and I got some positive feedback from people doing a sucessful upgrade
[10:26] <mdz> add to the edgy list: remove dpkg-divert from dpkg
[10:26] <fabbione> mvo: did you address the main -> universe demotion thingy?
[10:26] <mvo> infinity: yes you did, the ball is in my court
[10:26] <mvo> dpkg 2.0!
[10:26] <Keybuk> mdz: can we remove update-alternatives too?
[10:26] <mvo> fabbione: not yet
[10:26] <fabbione> mvo: ok thanks
[10:27] <Keybuk> mvo: http://multiarch.alioth.debian.org/dpkg2.pdf
[10:27] <mdz> Keybuk: I'd like to, but I think that touches more packages ;-)
[10:27] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[10:27] <mdz> Mithrandir: next?
[10:27] <Mithrandir> misc: flight-7 release, bug triage, booked flights to Paris, SoC application rating
[10:27] <Mithrandir> next week: flight 8 preparation, some popcon fiddling, casper bugfixes, bug triage, Constitution Day (May 17th)
[10:27] <Mithrandir> blocked: no
[10:27] <mvo> Keybuk: cool! will we get it for edgy?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> I'm going to announce the flight 8 freeze on u-d-a this time, probably on Wednesday evening or something.
[10:28] <JaneW> Mithrandir: yes please give ogra at least a day's warning...
[10:28] <heno> Mithrandir: did you get my popcon layout stuff (by email)?
[10:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: do you think we can trim any further unionfs memory usage in casper?
[10:28] <mdz> the kernel module locking is a tricky one
[10:28] <JaneW> mdz: and the flight announcement to go to u-d-a as well this time?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> heno: no, I'm planning to do that and cron popcon today or tomorrow.
[10:28] <ogra> JaneW, he already warned me :)
[10:29] <JaneW> ogra: good :)
[10:29] <mdz> JaneW,Mithrandir: yes, fine...as the sab wishes it
[10:29] <Mithrandir> mdz: I'll have to test a bit, but yes, we should be able to cut it somewhat.
[10:29] <mdz> I wonder if we should add a low-memory boot option which disables l-r-m
[10:29] <Mithrandir> mdz: I need to see what unionfs thinks about me removing files underneath its feet.
[10:29] <ogra> mdz++
[10:30] <mdz> 19M is a lot of memory
[10:30] <ogra> yep
[10:30] <Kamion> we're 5M down on that
[10:30] <ogra> was a major gain in ltsp to drop it
[10:30] <Mithrandir> heno: that is, I got it, but I haven't done anything about it.
[10:30] <Kamion> if you're including templates.dat-old
[10:30] <mdz> Kamion: I mean l-r-m alone is 19M
[10:30] <Kamion> oh, wow
[10:30] <mdz> yes, nvidia+nvidia_legacy is close to 10
[10:31] <mdz> and I expect very rarely used on the live CD
[10:31] <pitti> mdz: it's just nice for the sake of installing it with ubiquity
[10:31] <Mithrandir> hmm, it'd be sweet if we could use a compressed tmpfs instead of just a regular one, too.
[10:31] <ogra> we should probably also drop xscreensaver-data-gl from the liveCd as well then
[10:31] <Mithrandir> but that's eft material, I think.
[10:31] <mdz> pitti: we don't need the modules in memory for that; they'll be linked on first boot of the real system
[10:32] <pitti> ah, yes
[10:32] <infinity> mdz: capser could write out a temporary /etc/default/l-r-m that disabled nvidia and fglrx linking, so only the networky modules are built.
[10:32] <mdz> thoughts on whether we should drop everything but the wireless driver from l-r-m on the live CD?
[10:33] <Mithrandir> infinity: sure, that'd work.
[10:33] <mdz> that would save us 17M of memory
[10:33] <mdz> and folks who really need them can just run lrm-manager, right?
[10:33] <Kamion> ogra: at the moment we have no mechanism for something to be in desktop (i.e. installed by default on d-i installs) but not on the live CD, and given how ubiquity works I don't think it's wise to try to create one
[10:33] <ogra> Kamion, well, yes, but its probably an option for edgy
[10:33] <infinity> mdz: Erm, if we fiddle with /etc/default/l-r-m, then lrm-manager will also ignore them.  But casper could let them link and then unlink them, I guess.
[10:33] <mdz> infinity: indeed
[10:34] <mdz> Mithrandir: could you and infinity brainstorm about that a bit?  it's well worth the savings I think
[10:34] <Mithrandir> mdz: sure.
[10:34] <mdz> so long as it's a single command to get them back if the user really wants them, that's easy to document
[10:34] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[10:34] <mdz> Kinnison: next?
[10:34] <Kamion> ogra: no, I don't think it is either, it's a fundamental problem
[10:34] <Kamion> ogra: ubiquity cannot copy it to the installed system if it's not on the live CD
[10:35] <ogra> right
[10:35] <ogra> :/
[10:35] <Kinnison> gnome-power-manager: Lots of bugs dealt with for this, I have another update for later today related to brightness buttons.
[10:35] <Kinnison> distro-other: Tidied an acpi-support issue for toshibas, got new upstream for powernowd done, various other bits of bug investigation etc. Provided fairly simple consultancy on dbus stuff for gnome logout screen.
[10:35] <mvo> Kamion: would it be possible to install it on the target system with apt (or python-apt)?
[10:35] <Kinnison> launchpad: Helped with the multi-libraryfilealias issue a bit more, vaguely attended the soyuz-workup-for-dapper meeting.
[10:35] <Kinnison> ongoing: Some more g-p-m stuff, and continuing with the general bugs today. I only have one day for "next week" because I'll be off work moving house.
[10:35] <Kinnison> bug-status: The bug list isn't shrinking but the growth rate is smaller :-)
[10:35] <Kinnison> request: Will someone please volunteer to take on g-p-m for the week I'm away?
[10:35] <sladen> if lspci gives no ATI/Nvidia PCI IDs, it would seem logical not to build them on that boot
[10:36] <Kamion> mvo: requires network access
[10:36] <Kamion> mvo: which we only really want to do for language packs, imho
[10:36] <mvo> Kamion: agreed
[10:37] <Kinnison> paris: finally heard I'm going to be going as a soyuz representative, need to book flights
[10:37] <Kinnison> [end]
[10:37] <Kinnison> sorry, dunno why that took so long to get through
[10:37] <mdz> Kinnison: do you expect it to need anything more than watching for uber-critical bugs?
[10:38] <pitti> Kinnison: we still need to sort out that dbus atconsole bug one way or the other
[10:38] <pitti> I think that's fairly critical
[10:38] <Kinnison> pitti: Yes, but is that not a dbus issue directly?
[10:38] <mdz> that sounded messy to fix for dapper
[10:38] <pitti> Kinnison: well, it is in our ubuntu version
[10:38] <pitti> I doubt that we'll get a dbus solution for dapper
[10:38] <pitti> so we should at least do the 'cooperative' workaround with g-p-m checking the foreground console itself
[10:38] <Kinnison> pitti: can we talk about this after the meeting? I may have time today to engineer a solution into g-p-m
[10:39] <pitti> Kinnison: yes, let's
[10:39] <Kinnison> pitti: cool
[10:39] <sladen> Kinnison: I'll see how the next week goes, and look over the g-p-m bugs with slightly more attention...
[10:39] <Kinnison> sladen: thanks
[10:39] <mdz> ok
[10:39] <mdz> Kinnison: thanks
[10:39] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[10:39] <mvo> sladen: ping me in case you need a sponsor
[10:40] <Keybuk> gah, need to unbury my postit
[10:40] <Keybuk> nothing much to report, fixed a whole lot of bugs, had an n-m bug day and got them all filed upstream, decided to drop the iftab-fixing code after all as it was generating more bugs than it closed; we can look at a Debian/SuSE-style fix later. done SoC stuff. done some ftp master stuff.
[10:40] <mdz> Keybuk: any particular bug targets for next week?
[10:40] <Keybuk> I haven't got any particular bugs I need to fix before release
[10:41] <Keybuk> so I'm going to go roaming through Malone looking for some that could use a loving hand
[10:41] <JaneW> SoC evals for you then
[10:41] <sfllaw> JaneW: You're a quick draw.
[10:41] <mdz> Keybuk: "exclude bugs with packages specified" could use a scan for major issues, as we discussed
[10:41] <Keybuk> yup
[10:41] <mdz> JaneW: when is the deadline?
[10:41] <JaneW> sfllaw: desperation breeds it
[10:41] <Kinnison> Keybuk: there may be low-hanging fruit in the powermanagement arena if you want to have a flick through gnome-power-manager acpi-support acpid laptop-mode-tools et al.
[10:42] <sfllaw> 22 May, is it?
[10:42] <Keybuk> JaneW: I did SoC stuff this morning
[10:42] <mdz> horrible timing, that
[10:42] <JaneW> mdz: we need to have selected, ranked, and matched to mentors by 22 May
[10:42] <JaneW> mdz: yes the timing sucks
[10:42] <mdz> JaneW: I can help with the ranking starting next week
[10:42] <JaneW> but after that it should slack off for a week or 2 as things settle in
[10:42] <JaneW> mdzL great thanks, you can do the final sweep and approve reject round
[10:43] <mdz> ok
[10:43] <mdz> Keybuk: thanks
[10:43] <JaneW> Keybuk: yes I noticed, thanks
[10:43] <mdz> Kamion: next?
[10:43] <JaneW> heno: that was a good idea
[10:44] <mdz> heno: guerilla selection ;-)
[10:44] <Kamion> ubiquity: Keeping on top of bugs, just about. Worked on manual partitioner correctness, missing features relative to d-i (hw-detect, initramfs-tools setup), keymaps, i18n, memory usage. Still spending a fair bi
[10:44] <Kamion> t of time correcting mistaken duplications/rejections/etc. by triagers. :-(
[10:44] <Kamion> next-week: More of the same. I urgently need to sort out final string changes, and look at UTC/local hardware clock configuration and the remaining crash bugs. Also CD image renaming.
[10:44] <mdz> Kamion: is the infamous LinuxTag ubiquity bug fixed?
[10:44] <Kamion> mdz: LinuxTag the what?
[10:44] <mdz> Kamion: apparently there was a crash during the demo at linuxtag
[10:44] <ogra> Kamion, ask mvo and dholbach :)
[10:44] <JaneW> heno: and helps to find sustained commitment and enthusiasm not just one good write up
[10:44] <dholbach> I couldn't reproduce that at all afterwards.
[10:44] <Kamion> mdz: nobody identified it as such to me
[10:44] <mdz> I believe it was mvo who mentioned it to me
[10:45] <Kamion> mdz: it may well be fixed but I have no idea what it was
[10:45] <Kamion> dholbach: did you get a crash dump?
[10:45] <mvo> Kamion: we had a crash on stage when we demoed ubiquity, but i wasnt able to reproduce it on my home machine (we had it on dholbachs laptop)
[10:45] <dholbach> No, sorry - I just tried to save what was to save.
[10:45] <Kamion> this is the first I've heard of it
[10:45] <ogra> mdz, given that half the world crashed for them it might not even have been an ubiquity bug
[10:46] <mdz> note to all: if ubiquity ever crashes, TELL KAMION
[10:46] <dholbach> I'll watch out for it during my next test installs.
[10:46] <mvo> dholbach: maybe we still have the log?
[10:46] <Kamion> about 80% of crashes are duplicates, but there are still a few new ones appearing
[10:46] <mvo> dholbach: on your machine?
[10:46] <dholbach> mvo: I'll have a look.
[10:46] <mdz> Kamion: duplicates of fixed crashes or remaining ones?
[10:46] <Kamion> mdz: bit of both
[10:47] <Kamion> there's a really WEIRD one to do with partman error handling that I haven't tracked down yet; it's getting a lot of dups
[10:47] <mdz> ok, time
[10:47] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[10:47] <JaneW> me next?
[10:47] <mdz> JaneW: yes
[10:47] <JaneW> This week:
[10:47] <JaneW> * Canonical Monthly Report input - long one this month!
[10:47] <JaneW> * Ubuntu Dev Team Meeting report, got eaten up in an OOo crash and all changes vanished. Sorry everyone. I haven't had a chance to redo it, so will merge it with this week's report.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Google SoC, added new SoC info and co-ord page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SummerofCode2006, corresponded with mentors and students re applications, co-ordinated with Google's SoC administrator, reviewed applications and assisted with rankings, and ploughed through SoC ML posts and asked and answered questions as appropriate.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Edubuntu: Set up EC, inducted new council, approved first Edubuntu member and sent out notices. Team meeting to discuss tech progress (looking great thanks ogra!), cookbook progress and what is still required to complete, artwork - nearing completion ogra to package this soon and explicitly show all 3 themes to management for approval.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Assisted with UDS planning, responded to questions and gathered request for sponsorship applications and prepared them for management consideration.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Worked with cbx33 to start a proposal to showcase Edubuntu at BETT 2007
[10:47] <JaneW> To Do in next week:
[10:47] <Keybuk> "UDS" ?
[10:47] <JaneW> * Ubuntu dev team meeting report, asap, to make up for last week's lack of report.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Get all SoC applications properly evaluated by the mentors and ranked. Top 30 to be unique projects and students and assigned to (preferably unique)mentors.
[10:47] <JaneW> * respond to press enquiries re Ubuntu's SoC participation.
[10:47] <JaneW> * Plan UDS further, notify successful and unsuccessful sponsorship applicants of their applications status, contact other invited guests, figure out logistics of how to handle UDS scheduling with Jamesh's 'Schedul-o-matic', co-ord UDS staff arrangements.
[10:47] <mvo> JaneW: did you report the OOo crash to doko :P ?
[10:47] <JaneW> * * Edubuntu: Look at including Chris' Installing Edubuntu Tutorial video, need to get it in .ogg format too. Chase cookbook deadline to make sure we'll have something completed in time, make sure artwork is packaged and completed successfully.
[10:48] <JaneW> * Whatever else comes up.
[10:48] <JaneW> sorry very verbose!
[10:48] <JaneW> Ubuntu dev Summit
[10:48] <mdz> JaneW: speaking of the monthly report, saw some odd stuff in there...mentions of LTSP changes which were surely made months earlier
[10:48] <dholbach> I thought that was UFK now! :-p
[10:48] <infinity> Shouldn't that be "Ubuntu Avec Fromage" or something?
[10:48] <JaneW> mvo: I think it was self-caused, and preceded by several FF crashes
[10:48] <JaneW> a reboot fixed it
[10:48] <sivang> infinity: hmmm
[10:48] <Kinnison> UbuntuFrenchLetter
[10:48] <sivang> infinity: sounds yummy
[10:49] <JaneW> mdz: yes the LTSP change was mentioned in beta announcement, but it transpired it was pretty old news, sorry
[10:49] <ogra> mdz, i merged all changes we did in flights for the beta
[10:49] <mdz> JaneW: I'm always happy to review the report input with you before it goes out
[10:50] <JaneW> mdz: yes I think I will do that next time, I was not wanting to bother you, as it was a busy time
[10:50] <ogra> (in the announcement that is)
[10:50] <mdz> JaneW: doesn't take long to scan over it; much less time than when I try to write something
[10:50] <JaneW> mdz: noted
[10:50] <mdz> JaneW: thanks
[10:50] <mdz> iwj: next?
[10:51] <iwj> Last week: firefox bugs, dpkg bugs, gs bugs, other bugs.
[10:51] <iwj> Last week: firefox <IP_ADDRESS>.  Frank Shoep's ff themes.
[10:51] <iwj> Next week: more of the same.
[10:51] <infinity> iwj: Doing firefox <IP_ADDRESS> again next week? :)
[10:51] <iwj> :-P
[10:51] <mdz> iwj: anything notable on the dpkg radar?
[10:51] <iwj> Not really, no.
[10:52] <iwj> infinity: seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if a <IP_ADDRESS> turned up at the most inconvenient possible moment.
[10:52] <pitti> iwj: do you happen to have any inclination to update tbird to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:52] <mdz> iwj: we could use your help in a lot of areas beyond firefox; are there any critical issues remaining there?
[10:52] <pitti> tbird is fairly critical; I can do it myself if nobody else has time, though
[10:52] <iwj> I have a list of 13 bugs that ought to be investigated and probably fixed.
[10:53] <iwj> But I might have a bit of time left over.  Anywhere in particular I should direct my attention ?
[10:53] <mdz> iwj: if they are important to fix for dapper, please set a dapper milestone and I wil monitor that list
[10:53] <infinity> pitti: It's on my list, as I have to merge some stuff from asac.
[10:53] <mdz> iwj: sfllaw is the person to speak to regarding bug targets
[10:54] <infinity> pitti: I was waiting for him to get <IP_ADDRESS> into Debian (which he's done), but the merge is non-trivial, since we're forked currently.
[10:54] <iwj> mdz: sfllaw> Right.
[10:54] <mdz> iwj: it's worth having a conversation and seeing where he needs the most help
[10:54] <mdz> ok
[10:54] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[10:54] <mdz> infinity: next?
[10:54] <pitti> infinity: so maybe we shuold just update our version for now to get the plethora of security fixes?
[10:54] <infinity> last week distro: Been hacking on initramfs-tools (and related: evms, mdadm, lvm) bugs, and when I get stumped there and need a brain refresher, I've context-switched to pulling PHP patches from CVS, fixing random bugs on my list, and doing archive maintenance.
[10:54] <infinity> last week buildd: Did a mass give-back on the failed builds, monitoring those, also going through all the failed logs from a recent -autotest run and starting to categorise and triage those.
[10:54] <infinity> next week distro: Should be uploading a mess of initramfs-tools versions (well, if I do this right, only a few), plus some pending UVF bumps, and the PHP security junk.
[10:54] <infinity> next week buildd: Need to finish going through build failures, make the universe logs available to MOTU, and start another -autotest run.
[10:54] <infinity> general 1: During the last couple of weeks of release crunch, I'm intending to mangle my core hours a bit more than usual to be more available to the Europeans.  This will be particularly useful if I end up having to drive launchpad by hand at any point.
[10:54] <infinity> general 2: While it's not strictly my domain as core-dev or a Canonical employee, I'm sick of getting bug reports about segfaults caused by symbol clashes when two MySQL client libs are loaded at the same time.  I'd like to transition all of universe to libmysqlclient15 and drop the old ones from the archive, if that's okay.
[10:55] <dholbach> infinity: I can file bugs for that, if you want me to.
[10:55] <dholbach> infinity: the MOTU crowd is happy to work on those bugs.
[10:55] <infinity> dholbach: Sure, but the time it takes to file a bug is about the time it takes to edit debian/control and upload.
[10:55] <Mithrandir> infinity: that's mostly just rebuilding with changed Build-deps, isn't it?
[10:56] <infinity> Mithrandir: Yeah.
[10:56] <fabbione> Mithrandir: most of them yes
[10:56] <dholbach> infinity: i have a massfile script :)
[10:56] <infinity> dholbach: Either way, if you're prefer to hand it to MOTU, go nuts, but I do want to see these bugs fixed.
[10:56] <infinity> Since the symbol clashes affect packages in main, and the bug reports are never well-aimed.
[10:56] <mdz> infinity: can you post the list of build failures to -devel to distribute that task some?
[10:56] <infinity> ("apache crashes, help!" being the most common type of report)
[10:57] <ogra> tell them to use apache2 :P
[10:57] <infinity> mdz: Yeahp, I'll do so when done triaging, so people with more QA time can poke at them.
[10:57] <infinity> ogra: Same problem.
[10:57] <ogra> infinity, i wasnt serious :)
[10:57] <mdz> infinity: thanks
[10:57] <mdz> heno: next?
[10:57] <heno>  * kubuntu-winfoss: completed
[10:57] <heno>  * example-content: making some changes based on user feedback.
[10:57] <heno>  * ubuntu accessibility: I need to devote this week to testing and following up reports. The core AT packages work reliably on my installed system, but people are reporting mixed results on the Live CD. Key applications like Firefox and OpenOffice still have poor AT support (but that's true of every distro). Ubiquity reveals some access info when poked, but doesn't work with the screen reader.
[10:57] <heno>  * Other: We have two very promising SoC a11y projects emerging; a new on-screen keyboard and a new magnifier
[10:58] <mdz> heno: silbs noted that you were handling the community-contributed wallpaper to be included in dapper; I remember that being in example-content but it seems to be gone now.  does it have a new home?
[10:58] <Riddell> kubuntu-winfoss is lovely, thanks heno
[10:58] <JaneW> heno: have you managed to find the best proposal for each yet?
[10:58] <JaneW> heno: let me know if you want me to find all the urls for you or something
[10:59] <dholbach> mdz: I was supposed to package that for Universe, but nobody provided me with a list or tarball yet.
[10:59] <heno> mdz: it's no longer in e-c, right. It should be packaged with aubuntu-artwork I guess or separately
[10:59] <mdz> I'm happy for it to go in -artwork; as I recall it was reasonably sized
[10:59] <heno> the art team ws supposed tp pick some. I'll ping them about it
[10:59] <dholbach> Ok.
[10:59] <Riddell> heno: kwwii will be looking at kubuntuifying example-content, I'll need to think about the best way to package that
[11:00] <mdz> Riddell: what sort of content would be kubuntu-specific?
[11:00] <heno> and if they still don't manage I can pick some
[11:00] <Riddell> mdz: not much, just stuff like the presentation slides with kubuntu logo instead of ubuntu
[11:00] <heno> Riddell: OK let me know what comes out of that
[11:01] <heno> JaneW: there are still 2-3 good candidates for each project
[11:01] <JaneW> heno: ok let them fight it out :)
[11:01] <mdz> Riddell: if it's different enough to be a separate package, it's probably too late; that would need casper integration etc.
[11:01] <mdz> Riddell: but if there's something small we could add to the existing package, that's grand
[11:01] <Riddell> ok, we'll keep it small
[11:01] <mdz> heno: thanks
[11:01] <mdz> fabbione: next?
[11:02] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: no more testing done, hopefully is gold.
[11:02] <fabbione> * X bug squashing: down to ~320 bugs. Don't trust LP bug count. Next is to check one evdev problem that is unclear if it is due to new upstream or user configs mess up. Usual stuff like triaging, bug fixing on going.
[11:02] <fabbione> * last week: X bugs. Started training zakame to go full power on X.
[11:02] <fabbione> * next week: holidays. Any volunteer to keep going on X??? NO??? ladies!!!!
[11:02] <fabbione> * notes: due to some real life events, i am 99.999% sure i will not be in Paris.
[11:02] <infinity> fabbione: What about the evdev build failure on some arches?
[11:02] <mdz> yay for X bug volunteers ;-)
[11:02] <fabbione> infinity: that's in the list
[11:03] <infinity> fabbione: Kay, cool.  Thanks.
[11:03] <mdz> fabbione: enjoy the holidays
[11:03] <fabbione> mdz: don't open champagne now.. let see how long he will last :)
[11:03] <fabbione> mdz: thanks
[11:03] <mdz> doko_: next?
[11:03] <doko_> - openoffice.org: new upload, nothing spectecular, -l10n still problematic on the buildd, no further progress with scim.
[11:03] <doko_> - java updates: finished, sending status by email.
[11:03] <doko_> - vnc4: updated, not yet uploaded. vnc (3.x) is in main, but still uses an oldish Xfree86 server for the build.
[11:03] <doko_> - bug triage: not much progress since last update. assigned RC reports: seven, addressing the license issues today.
[11:03] <doko_> - next week: Debconf (leaving tomorrow morning)
[11:03] <sfllaw> Oh yeah, I'm going to that too.
[11:03] <JaneW> enjoy mexico
[11:03] <sfllaw> Leaving Saturday morning.
[11:03] <mdz> doko_: did that ooo-build update represent new upstream code?  the changelog was a bit unclear
[11:03] <doko_> fabbione: could need your input on vnc
[11:04] <doko_> mdz: two patches
[11:04] <fabbione> doko_: to use the new server?
[11:04] <mdz> doko_: ok
[11:04] <Keybuk> doko_: ooo is kinda not building/installable atm, no?
[11:04] <doko_> fabbione: yes
[11:04] <fabbione> doko_: well i am not sure if i will have the time.. but we can try
[11:05] <infinity> Keybuk: It's building fine, except for the -l10n package, which I'll be looking into shortly.
[11:05] <doko_> Keybuk: ooo does, ooo-l10n not, doesn't happen in a new chroot
[11:05] <Keybuk> ahh
[11:05] <Keybuk> I did notice that one of the help packages showed up in anastacia
[11:05] <doko_> will have a look
[11:06] <mdz> doko_: ok, thanks. see you at debconf
[11:06] <mdz> dholbach: next?
[11:06] <dholbach> BugSitutation: HUGDAY next week - Kernel stuff? After LinuxTag and icon stuff went down from 3000 -> 1600 unread desktop-bugs mails, more catching up to do
[11:06] <dholbach> IconSituation: artwork deadline next week, new Human icons, look into xcursors to add, other artwork (wait on Jeff and kwii), possible tangerine split, hack on icon table on the weekend
[11:06] <dholbach> this week (done): icons, bugs, lots of uvf exception processing
[11:06] <dholbach> this week (todo): more bug fixing, gparted update(?)
[11:06] <dholbach> next week: more bug fixing, some unresolved fixes (brltty, scrollkeeper), look into gnome-pilot, cd testing, motu unbuildable packages list(?)
[11:07] <Kamion> dholbach: I'm pretty unsure about the gparted update at this stage
[11:07] <dholbach> Kamion: I understand - I sent a mail to you and Kinnison this morning.
[11:07] <Kamion> dholbach: the fixes that it might bring in seem counterbalanced by the risk of importing a new advanced partitioner three weeks before release
[11:07] <dholbach> Kamion: I'm happy with either decision.
[11:07] <Kamion> dholbach: yeah, read it
[11:07] <dholbach> Ok.
[11:07] <dholbach> I'll communicate that to Bart.
[11:07] <mdz> dholbach: do you have the final artwork (minus beta markings) in hand for when the time comes?
[11:07] <Kamion> can you look for any particular patches we might want, and see if they can reasonably be backported?
[11:08] <Kamion> dholbach: give Bart my apologies as well, he did try and I know we started out on this a bit late
[11:08] <dholbach> mdz: I have to ask Jeff, if there's not a different wallpaper for that.
[11:08] <dholbach> Kamion: I can do that.
[11:08] <mdz> dholbach: gnome-pilot seems like a mess; so many bug reports and few people with relevant hardware
[11:08] <dholbach> mdz: there was a discussion about different gdm circle of friends as well - I'll phone him about that all.
[11:08] <mdz> dholbach: do we really want it in main for dapper?
[11:09] <dholbach> I got in touch with upstream who provided me with a tarball - unfortunately it didn't build
[11:09] <dholbach> mdz: that depends, if we can rip out the functionality out of evolution - seb128?
[11:09] <Keybuk> gnome-pilot is fundamentally broken :)
[11:09] <seb128> some people use it
[11:09] <mdz> some people try ;-)
[11:10] <seb128> I'm not that comfortable with dropping it now
[11:10] <dholbach> I don't have necessary hardware as well, I was just glad that I got in contact with upstream people.
[11:10] <mdz> does anyone here use it?
[11:10] <mdz> apparently not ;-)
[11:10] <dholbach> Hum...
[11:10] <seb128> hehe
[11:10] <sladen> no.  pilot-xfer and jpilot when I used to...
[11:10] <mdz> seb128: ok, if you think we're safer keeping it
[11:10] <Keybuk> I've lost every pilot I've ever owned
[11:11] <Keybuk> if we didn't have gnome-pilot, people wouldn't nag me that the /dev/pilot symlink doesn't work :)
[11:11] <mdz> I worry for jbailey if someone needs support with it ;-)
[11:11] <seb128> mdz: I'm not happy with the software itself, but I think some people use it and we have no better alternative to ship atm
[11:11] <sladen> Keybuk: Bug Between Keyboard and Screen.
[11:11] <dholbach> Seems like we do the update for Edgy. :-/
[11:11] <seb128> mdz: speaking about support, do you think we can drop "disks-admin" now?
[11:12] <ogra> whee, that'd be great to drop
[11:12] <mdz> seb128: it's broken?
[11:12] <seb128> mdz: it doesn't do anything useful and is misleading in the way it has buttons supposed to be useful
[11:12] <mdz> seb128: ok, fine with me
[11:12] <seb128> like you can change the mointpoint for a partition but it's not change fstab
[11:13] <dholbach> grrr g-s-t grrr
[11:13] <seb128> s/change/changing
[11:13] <mdz> dholbach: want to rewrite it for edgy? ;-)
[11:13] <Mithrandir> seb128: it's useful for the live cd.
[11:13] <ogra> does it still open nautilus with root privileges through the browse button ?
[11:13] <seb128> and layout get messed with some locales, and we have several bug saying it doesn't list the partition correctly, etc
[11:13] <dholbach> mdz: I'd love to work on that with mvo and seb128.
[11:13] <seb128> ogra: no, that is fixed, but still...
[11:13] <seb128> Mithrandir: how so?
[11:13] <ogra> yep
[11:14] <pitti> mdz: we should rather consider making our Google SoC 2005 bounty  better and integrating it
[11:14] <pitti> (pysdm)
[11:14] <mdz> dholbach: what artwork are you waiting on?
[11:14] <Mithrandir> seb128: people use it to mount their hard drive.
[11:14] <seb128> Mithrandir: starting it on my box display a bunch of notify bubble saying some /tmp mounts have low space
[11:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: it's slightly too late to do anything about SoC 2005, isn't it?
[11:14] <mdz> dholbach: I thought the current Ubuntu stuff was final, modulo the beta text (which you added, right?)
[11:14] <ogra> hehe
[11:14] <dholbach> mdz: new icons (more sizes), possible wallpaper/gdm stuff, xcursors I have, not easy to integrate :/
[11:14] <seb128> Mithrandir: should the liveCD mount detected partitions by default?
[11:14] <pitti> Mithrandir: I don't understand?
[11:14] <ogra> pitti, we have 2006 ;)
[11:14] <dholbach> mdz: I hope it is that way, I can strip that stuff off easily.
[11:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: oh, sorry, I misread.
[11:14] <imbrandon> SoC 2006
[11:14] <dholbach> mdz: I'll have to ask Jeff.
[11:15] <Mithrandir> seb128: so some people argue.  There's also an UDU spec for that.
[11:15] <pitti> ogra: so what, the package is there, and the author, too; the package works fine in principle, it could just use some UI polish
[11:15] <iwj> Are we nearly done here ?  My laptop is about to run out of juice ...
[11:15] <ogra> pitti, ah, sorry
[11:15] <mdz> iwj: yes, we are nearly done here. why are you on battery?
[11:15] <ogra> pitti, i thought you proposed a 2006 bounty
[11:15] <iwj> mdz: To avoid having to have breakfast at 0830 :-).
[11:15] <mdz> dholbach: from kwii, you need the final usplash image?
[11:15] <pitti> no, I'm proposing to make use of our finished ounes :)
[11:16] <dholbach> mdz: Yes, that's what Riddell told me.
[11:16] <mdz> dholbach: I think I have that for you (the ubuntu one)
[11:16] <dholbach> mdz: ok cool.
[11:16] <mdz> ok
[11:16] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[11:16] <Kamion> seb128: it's problematic due to stuff breaking if it automounts hibernated filesystems
[11:16] <mdz> I think we will need to extend this meeting officially to ~90 minutes in the future; there are just too many of us
[11:16] <Kamion> seb128: it should mount Windows partitions, but anything else is painful
[11:17] <mdz> and everyone should get a few minutes if needed
[11:17] <Kamion> was nice while it lasted (60 minutes)
[11:17] <mdz> we're always rushing toward the end
[11:17] <JaneW> mdz: agreed
[11:17] <mdz> any urgent business to discuss?
[11:17] <seb128> if we do that please move the 4am one early :)
[11:17] <Kamion> but since we can manifestly get it done in less, we should be fascist about keeping it to time again
[11:18] <Riddell> are syncs from debian being processed by ubuntu-archive?
[11:18] <Kamion> Riddell: yes
[11:18] <infinity> Riddell: Yes.
[11:18] <mvo> seb128++
[11:18] <mdz> Kamion: I think with the current team we get an average of 3 minutes apiece, which doesn't seem to be enough
[11:18] <Kamion> not necessarily in FIFO order, but they're being processed
[11:18] <Kamion> mdz: I agree
[11:18] <Riddell> great, I'll wait patiently then
[11:18] <mdz> at any rate, we're done for today; adjourned
[11:18] <mdz> thanks all
[11:18] <JaneW> thanks
[11:18] <ogra> thanks
[11:18] <pitti> thanks all, to
[11:18] <infinity> Yay.
[11:19] <pitti> o
[11:19] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[11:19] <mvo> thanks
[11:19] <infinity> Thanks, guys.  Now I can have dinner. :)
[11:19] <pitti> infinity: enjoy
[11:19] <sfllaw> mdz: I'll be seeing you and doko at Debconf as well.
[11:19] <doko_> bye
[11:19] <dholbach> Thanks.
[11:19] <seb128> thank you
[11:19] <pitti> debconfers, have fun!
[11:19] <sfllaw> mdz: But I think I will be running next week's BugSquad from Mexico.
[11:19] <fabbione> thanks
[11:19] <doko_> sfllaw: cool
[11:19] <sfllaw> pitti: Thank you.
[11:20] <mdz> sfllaw: see you there
[08:33] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[08:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:42] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[09:42] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 12 May 00:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 15:00: Community Council | 17 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:54] <imbrandon> @schedule Chicago
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 11 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 07:00: Community Council | 17 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:08] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[10:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:18] <kmon> @schedule Spain
[10:18] <kmon> @schedule Madrid
[10:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 11 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:03] <Riddell> hi all, who's here?
[11:03] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 16 May 20:00: Community Council | 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:03] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[11:03] <kwwii> hi all
[11:03] <freeflying> kwwii: hi
[11:03] <Lure> hi
[11:04] <uniq> hi.
[11:04] <Riddell> most important agenda item this evening is that I have a pot of soup on the boil and you must remind me to turn it off in half an hour so it doesn't boil dry
[11:04] <gringo> ^^
[11:04] <kmon> lol
[11:04] <Tonio_> hey
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: I do not see it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings ;-)
[11:05] <kwwii> we could form a submeeting to discuss these issues and get back to you later
[11:06] <Riddell> shall we get started?
[11:06] <Lure> I think so
[11:06] <Tonio_> yup
[11:06] <Riddell> the feeling at linuxtag was that we should have a kubuntu council
[11:07] <Riddell> who would approve membership and take decisions at meetings
[11:07] <Riddell> any thoughts on that?
[11:07] <Lure> I think it is most appropriate thing to do
[11:08] <uniq> i agree.
[11:08] <Riddell> groovy
[11:08] <Lure> edubuntu already have one, with monthly meetings for membership/community considerations
[11:08] <freeflying> Riddell: what's the number will be
[11:08] <Riddell> I propose we follow the example of edubuntu who have 5 people, at least 1 canonical employee but not more than 2
[11:08] <Lure> and 3 needed to support
[11:09] <Lure> (vote)
[11:09] <Riddell> yes
[11:09] <freeflying> we now onlt you are paid employee
[11:09] <freeflying> s/onlt/only
[11:09] <Riddell> yes, for now
[11:10] <Riddell> so next question is how to choose the members
[11:10] <Tonio_> I agree following the example of edubuntu is a nice idea
[11:10] <Riddell> edubuntu just chose the most likely candidates
[11:10] <Lure> just collect candidates
[11:10] <Riddell> we could also try and have a vote on launchpad but I've no idea how well that would work
[11:11] <Riddell> maybe we should try candidates and if we have lots we can work out some sort of vote
[11:11] <uniq> good idea.
[11:11] <kmon> maybe create a list like kubuntu-announcements and use that as a way to tell people a poll has been created on launchpad?
[11:11] <Riddell> so, who wants to stand?
[11:12] <uniq> 1 year mandates?
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: raphink isn't here, but I'm certain he would like to
[11:12] <Riddell> kmon: kubuntu-devel is good enough I think
[11:12] <Riddell> uniq: sounds good
[11:12] <Riddell> I'll stand for it
[11:12] <freeflying> Riddell: at least ,you  shall descide the candidates
[11:12] <Tonio_> I would maybe too
[11:12] <kmon> Riddell: if kubuntu grows it may be needed in the future... but I agree now it's not necesary
[11:13] <Riddell> I'd like Tonio_ to stand too
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm standing ;)
[11:13] <Riddell> hobbsee would be cool, although I think she might need some persuading
[11:14] <Riddell> so I say I put out an announcement, and if we have too many candidates we can vote on it
[11:14] <Lure> we need somebody who is actie on #kubuntu - this is why I think Hobbsee is good candidate
[11:14] <freeflying> raphink: Tonio_  hobbsee
[11:14] <Riddell> Lure: very true
[11:14] <Riddell> and by next meeting we should have a kommittee
[11:15] <raphink> hi
[11:15] <Lure> we will need more irc help in future since Dapper will rock ;-)
[11:15] <raphink> sorry for being late
[11:15] <Riddell> hi raphink
[11:15] <Lure> raphink: we just elected you ;-)
[11:15] <raphink> ah
[11:15] <raphink> for what?
[11:15] <raphink> ;)
[11:15] <Riddell> for the kubuntu council
[11:15] <Tonio_> raphink: cellphones nice sometimes ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> +are
[11:15] <raphink> Tonio_: indeed :)
[11:15] <raphink> I was just fighting with Ooo
[11:15] <raphink> anyway, offtopic ;)
[11:16] <Riddell> raphink: any comments on the council or shall we move on?
[11:16] <raphink> I'll read very fast
[11:16] <Lure> I would also like maybe somebody in council that is strong background in KDE (besides Riddell)
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure: only 5 names have been proposed at the moment, aren't you interested to stand for that too ?
[11:16] <Riddell> Lure: yes that would be nice, I did ask danimo but he's too busy
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: toma maybe ?
[11:16] <Lure> allee?
[11:16] <Lure> or toma?
[11:16] <Lure> true
[11:17] <Riddell> good names
[11:17] <toma> ola
[11:17] <toma> whats up?
[11:17] <raphink> what exactly would be the role of the council?
[11:17] <Riddell> toma: want to be our KDE representative on the council?
[11:17] <toma> wow, you are surprising me here
[11:17] <Riddell> raphink: approving membership, and making decisions on other stuff at meeting that are needed
[11:17] <raphink> I'm fine for this
[11:18] <raphink> I mean I'm ok to be part of it if I'm proposed ;)
[11:18] <Riddell> allee would be good for his links to debian
[11:18] <raphink> yes true
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: +
[11:19] <Riddell> ok, lets move on, we can sort out the members before the next meeting
[11:19] <Riddell> freeflying: your item :)
[11:19] <Riddell> hmm, freeflying has fallen back asleep
[11:19] <freeflying> I haven't commnets on flight7 at all :)
[11:19] <Lure> Riddell: will you invite formally the proposed people to confirm that they would accept the possition?
[11:19] <toma> Riddell: what would that mean?
[11:20] <Riddell> toma: being on the council?  just means you need to turn up to meeting to approve members and vote on things that come to a vote
[11:20] <toma> Riddell: I think kubuntu will be very important for KDE, so I'm not sure I'm the most perfect person to have within KDE.
[11:21] <Riddell> toma: nonsense, you'll be perfect
[11:21] <Lure> toma: we just need an active KDE person that is also active/follows Kubuntu on regular basis
[11:21] <Tonio_> toma: there aren't dozens of kde developpers activelly talking on kubuntu-devel ;)
[11:21] <raphink> toma: you're a very good link with KDE for us
[11:21] <Lure> Tonio_: +1
[11:21] <raphink> very valuable
[11:21] <toma> Riddell: I'm no eV member anymore, dont know if that matters
[11:21] <freeflying> toma: +1
[11:21] <Riddell> nah, nothing interesting happens on e.v. anyway
[11:21] <Tonio_> toma: you where one of the firsts with danimo
[11:22] <Riddell> except slagging off gnome of course
[11:22] <kmon> this kubuntu council will be similar to ubuntu community council right?
[11:22] <Riddell> kmon: yes
[11:22] <toma> wow, and i feel guilty for not having done anything spectuclar yet for kubuntu.
[11:22] <kmon> and what about the technical board? are you Riddell part of it?
[11:22] <freeflying> toma: you will :)
[11:22] <toma> haha
[11:22] <raphink> toma: you have
[11:22] <raphink> :)
[11:22] <Lure> toma: rsibreak helps me... ;-)
[11:23] <Riddell> kmon: I'm not on the ubuntu tech board.  the kubuntu council would take votes on tech decisions too if that was helpful
[11:23] <raphink> kmon: the kubuntu TB will be decided in Paris if any
[11:23] <kmon> ok, nice. Thanks raphink, Riddell
[11:23] <raphink> if I understood what Mark said last time
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[11:23] <Riddell> so, anyone tried flight 7
[11:24] <Riddell> and has anyone tried ubiquity most importantly
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did, and there are not that much killer bugs actually
[11:24] <kwwii> Riddell: I was impressed with Ubiquity
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: I did... ;-)
[11:24] <kwwii> it worked great in German and looked pretty good, all things considered
[11:24] <Riddell> kwwii: did you do an install with it?
[11:24] <Riddell> Lure: did you install with it?
[11:24] <raphink> ubiquity still misses the map for the time settings, doesn't it?
[11:24] <kwwii> the partioner interface was not very nice though at first
[11:24] <kwwii> Riddell: yes,
[11:24] <toma> you guys are great, I can try, but I prefer a first period of six months, so if I suck you can get rid of me and if i dont like it, I can leave... Is that something?
[11:25] <Riddell> toma: sure, that's fine
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: yes, and with couple of dailys before and after Flight 7
[11:25] <kwwii> raphink: it complains about the hardware time everytime it boots
[11:25] <Riddell> excellent, that's the first successful reports I've heard from ubiquity :)
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: I think you have managed to nail all/most critical ones (crashes and stuff)
[11:25] <raphink> :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: ubiquity worked for me, but I tested on a blank disk...
[11:25] <raphink> kwwii: what complains?
[11:25] <Riddell> I still need to fix some of the logic on the mountpoints page, and I'll try the map this weekend but it's not a priority
[11:26] <kwwii> raphink: the installed system
[11:26] <raphink> ah
[11:26] <raphink> that's pretty bad
[11:26] <kwwii> there are lots of endianess problems
[11:26] <kwwii> pretty much all screenshot functions and several apps are effected
[11:26] <Riddell> flight 8 is next week so please everyone test ubiquity because if it's broken on the final CD that's a lot of useless shipit CDs we'll have
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will
[11:26] <raphink> ok
[11:27] <Riddell> oh and testers for flight 8 candidates very welcome too of course, around wednesday
[11:27] <Riddell> toma: your item
[11:27] <Riddell> or did we do this last meeting?
[11:27] <toma> we did it last meeting, not sure why it ended up this meeting
[11:28] <Riddell> nobody wiped the agenda is why
[11:28] <toma> i dont think we need to repeat it
[11:28] <toma> next item
[11:28] <Riddell> I've still not had time to do the list of things for new developers but I'd still like to at some point soon
[11:28] <Riddell> allee here?
[11:28] <kmon> Riddell: soup
[11:28] <raphink> lol
[11:28] <Riddell> arg!  my soup!
[11:28] <kwwii> Riddell: two more minutes!
[11:28] <toma> Riddell: untill k3m, i dont have time anyways. allee has not responded to my calls.
[11:29] <kwwii> you said half an hour
[11:29] <Tonio_> kmon: 4 minutes left for the soup AFAIK ;)
[11:29] <toma> move it to later on, he'll be back
[11:29] <Riddell> allee seems to be suggesting renaming kubuntu, which is probably not a good idea
[11:29] <Riddell> Lure: your item
[11:30] <Lure> who will be in Paris and what is to be expected from this event in regards to Kubuntu?
[11:30] <raphink> I will almost certainly be in Paris
[11:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I will since I am :)
[11:30] <raphink> and there are many things to be decided there
[11:30] <Riddell> we need to plan for Edgy!
[11:30] <raphink> :)
[11:30] <Riddell> all ideas welcome, please put them on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[11:31] <raphink> keeping in mind that Edgy will be a 4 month release
[11:31] <raphink> which means lots of work in a short time
[11:31] <Lure> Mark mentioed KDE developers - is this already confirmed?
[11:31] <raphink> yes it is Lure
[11:31] <raphink> it has been talked about at LinuxTag
[11:31] <Riddell> Lure: yes, we'll have a bunch of kde people there
[11:31] <raphink> together with KDE people
[11:31] <kmon> For paris summit I think you guys should propose which kde devs/people should be proposed to be invited by mark
[11:31] <raphink> they have to appoint about 5 people to come there
[11:31] <Riddell> kwwii, ervin, ellen, aseigo
[11:32] <Lure> this sounds great\
[11:32] <raphink> very nice
[11:32] <kwwii> great, now I am on the kde list?
[11:32] <Riddell> oh and sebas of course
[11:32] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe, ok...be prepared for oxygen :-)
[11:32] <raphink> kwwii: :p
[11:32] <raphink> yeah :)
[11:32] <raphink> we need oxygen in Paris ;)
[11:32] <raphink> esp. in the summer, with pollution peaks
[11:32] <Riddell> I believe canonical will be willing to fund people working on shiny bling graphic things
[11:33] <raphink> mhm
[11:33] <DaSkreech2> What about SOC?
[11:33] <Riddell> so if anyone hears of any projects like that let me know
[11:33] <kwwii> raphink: oxygen will be releseased on week before paris
[11:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: put it on the agenda
[11:33] <raphink> kwwii: great
[11:33] <Riddell> kwwii: oh?
[11:33] <kwwii> s/on/one
[11:33] <DaSkreech2> !agenda
[11:33] <Riddell> now that's exciting
[11:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:33] <kwwii> Riddell: we are meeting in port. for a week to get things ready
[11:33] <Riddell> portugal?
[11:34] <kwwii> yepp, at nunos houes
[11:34] <kwwii> house
[11:34] <Riddell> wow, excellent
[11:34] <raphink> :)
[11:34] <Riddell> I wonder what colour the folders will be, that's the exciting bit
[11:34] <kwwii> orange!
[11:35] <kwwii> no, blue, as usual
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just hope less blue this time ;)
[11:35] <raphink> hehe
[11:35] <Tonio_> arghhhhhhhh
[11:35] <Riddell> kmon: do you have suggestions of developers?
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: :'(
[11:35] <kmon> Riddell: I think the one's you've mentioned are great
[11:36] <kmon> specially if people from different parts of KDE are involved (coding, marketing, etc)
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I agree
[11:36] <DaSkreech2> Oh
[11:36] <Riddell> do we know who K2 is?
[11:36] <raphink> I don't
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope
[11:36] <DaSkreech2> Have the System settings usable with the keyboad
[11:36] <raphink> and he's not here
[11:36] <DaSkreech2> keyboard
[11:36] <Riddell> whoever he is, he's put his item on the wrong meeting agenda, we don't really do linux module issues here
[11:36] <raphink> DaSkreech2: that'd have to be for edgy
[11:36] <DaSkreech2> ok
[11:37] <raphink> so... newsletters?
[11:37] <raphink> what do you mean by that Riddell?
[11:37] <Riddell> so my item, matt suggested I make newsletters of the week's happenings in kubuntu and post them out
[11:37] <raphink> emails? blog ?
[11:37] <Riddell> e-mail to the lists
[11:37] <raphink> ok
[11:37] <raphink> could be nice
[11:37] <raphink> what would it feature?
[11:37] <Riddell> nothing too long, just a quick summary of where we are and what's planned to work on
[11:37] <Lure> I think blog would be better (more visibility)
[11:38] <raphink> new features / bugs / new contributors / events in the community / events in the world
[11:38] <Riddell> raphink: stuff we've all done, people who have done it, top bug fixer of the week, whatever
[11:38] <raphink> ok
[11:38] <Riddell> yes, you've got the idea :)
[11:38] <raphink> I agree with lure though
[11:38] <raphink> a blog would be more visible
[11:38] <uniq> have to go, gnite.
[11:38] <raphink> or using kubuntu.org with a news section
[11:38] <Tonio_> uniq: nite
[11:38] <raphink> and sending it to the ML in addition
[11:38] <Riddell> ubuntu-devel-announce gets a lot of publicity
[11:38] <DaSkreech2> Riddell: would that be for users or developers?
[11:38] <raphink> night uniq
[11:39] <Riddell> and if I link from kubuntu.org that brings in more
[11:39] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: developers and interested users
[11:39] <Lure> news is too official, and blog can be more free-writing
[11:39] <DaSkreech2> True but there can be a chain :)
[11:39] <freeflying> blog and ML
[11:39] <DaSkreech2> One leads to the other
[11:39] <Riddell> so I'll be poking people to remind me of what's happened in the last week
[11:39] <DaSkreech2> People can stop at the level of involvement they want to get into
[11:40] <kmon> Riddell: similar to debian weekly news?
[11:40] <kmon> nice
[11:40] <Riddell> kmon: probably not as long or formal, but along those lines yes
[11:40] <kmon> th desktop team do something similar AFAIK, but gnome based
[11:40] <Riddell> yes, launchpad does too
[11:41] <Riddell> although I've never seen more than one
[11:41] <Riddell> ok, agenda over
[11:41] <raphink> I've got a point to add to the meeting although it's not on the agenda
[11:41] <raphink> which is translations
[11:41] <Riddell> DaSkreech2 was first
[11:41] <Lure> Riddell: any bugs that we are concerned with?
[11:41] <raphink> ok sure
[11:41] <Lure> (must-fix and stuff)
[11:41] <raphink> go on DaSkreech2
[11:41] <DaSkreech2>  I am?
[11:41] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: you were asking about summer of code?
[11:42] <DaSkreech2> Right
[11:42] <Tonio_> raphink: I pinged pitti yesterday, he will release new language packs this week
[11:42] <Riddell> just asking the status in general?
[11:42] <DaSkreech2> You were looking for developers for KDE4 stuff
[11:42] <DaSkreech2>  You emntioned oxygen
[11:42] <raphink> new language packs are out already Tonio_, and it doesn't fix the menus
[11:42] <DaSkreech2> I was noticing on the SOC page there were quite a few KDE4 specific things under kubuntu
[11:42] <DaSkreech2> mentioned
[11:43] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: I wasn't looking for kde 4 developers, I was looking for shiny bling things we can do in edgy (4 months time, too soon for kde 4)
[11:43] <Riddell> I never put half the kubuntu SoC ideas on the wiki page there
[11:43] <Tonio_> raphink: do they ? I didn't update today
[11:43] <DaSkreech2> Ah ok So things like the compiz/KDE (also SOC) ?
[11:43] <Riddell> I don't know who did
[11:43] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: yes
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: so yes, we have one killer bug to fix before release ;)
[11:44] <DaSkreech2> Where dod we want the blingy things? In art or in the tech?
[11:44] <Riddell> we've had a good number of SoC applications, I've no idea how many we'll get in the end
[11:44] <DaSkreech2> do
[11:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: both
[11:44] <kmon> Riddell: I think good SOC proyects could be to develop apps missing in kubuntu from ubuntu (like a qt/kde frontend to gdebi)
[11:44] <Tonio_> raphink: btw it works for some languages like german, the translation doesn't bug on that point
[11:44] <Riddell> kmon: our top project so far is for an OEM installer
[11:44] <Riddell> insanekane said he'd look at gdebi for qt
[11:45] <kmon> nice
[11:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: killer bug being translations?
[11:45] <raphink> Tonio_: sorry, its language-support-* that were released today, not language-pack-*-data
[11:45] <Tonio_> Version: 1:6.06+20060427
[11:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: please check that the missing translations are indeed now in rosetta under kdelibs.po
[11:45] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, new packs aren't still built
[11:46] <raphink> right, let's wait then :)
[11:46] <Riddell> raphink: is that your translation item dealt with?
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: rosetta is complete, and your have supposedly corrected the kdelibs bug
[11:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[11:46] <raphink> taking about translations
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to look carefully for updates and check if that will resolve the issue
[11:46] <raphink> I was playing with zeroconf today
[11:46] <freeflying> Riddell: there still many pos of kde stuff not on rosetta
[11:46] <DaSkreech2> Riddell: Oh just to be clear this is a edgy type meeting or just a kubuntu future in general?
[11:46] <raphink> and noticed that it uses kind of desktop files that have to be translated
[11:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: the Paris summit is an edgy meeting
[11:47] <Tonio_> the problem is it would be nice to have the response quickly, and not discovering 3 days before release that the bug is still there
[11:47] <DaSkreech2> ok
[11:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech2: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[11:47] <Riddell> raphink: desktop files are a pain for translation
[11:47] <raphink> yes I guess
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: definitly
[11:47] <raphink> the best might be to have them translated upstream
[11:47] <Riddell> raphink: in gnome, ubuntu now has a patch that allows desktop files to take translations from .po files
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could be an interesting launchpad addon -> desktop files online translation
[11:48] <Riddell> raphink: I didn't have time to do that for kubuntu but I'd like to for edgy
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you think ?
[11:48] <raphink> ok
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: tell carlos :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: in paris, in paris ;)
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: you were talking about bugs?
[11:49] <Tonio_> raphink: I will ping pitti once more for langpacks if there are no updates on sunday evening
[11:49] <raphink> ok
[11:49] <Tonio_> raphink: and concerning the livecd, french is supposed to come back according to what Riddell told me yesterday
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: yes - anyhting that needs to be fixed and we do not see it in pile of open bugs?
[11:49] <raphink> Tonio_: I was talking about the files like _ssh._tcp . I don't know how they are to be translated in KDE
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: should be on now
[11:49] <raphink> Tonio_: great
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[11:50] <DaSkreech2> Well I'm done with my part then
[11:50] <DaSkreech2> The next section may have the floor
[11:50] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, xml based and desktop files are a pain to translate...
[11:50] <Riddell> Lure: I need to look at making sure chaning timezones works, I know it hasn't in the past and I don't think it's changed
[11:50] <raphink> talking about bugs, I'm happy to say that Korganizer works again since last week
[11:50] <DaSkreech2> Although I could raise my System settings irks :-)
[11:50] <Tonio_> raphink: could be interesting to discuss that in paris
[11:51] <Lure> Riddell: changing TZ where?
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: I've heard that KMail filters don't work, having someone to confirm that would be good
[11:51] <Tonio_> and make zeroconf-scripts-* packages or something
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: right click on clock->configure clock
[11:51] <Tonio_> raphink: don't you think ?
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: it used not to save the new value when you rebooted
[11:51] <raphink> Tonio_: well we'd need more protocol files, translated in various languages, and avahi default config files
[11:51] <raphink> but that's for dapper I guess
[11:51] <raphink> s/dapper/edgy/
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: I can check KMail filters - is there a bug?
[11:52] <Tonio_> raphink: yes I was talking about edgy btw
[11:52] <raphink> ok
[11:52] <Lure> but I am in only tommorow then back next Sat...
[11:52] <Riddell> Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/39944
[11:52] <Tonio_> raphink: we will need to come to paris with plans and structure to propose for a correct zeroconf implementation
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39944 in kdepim "Set filters are ineffective" [Normal,Needs info]
[11:52] <Riddell> any other business?
[11:52] <raphink> yes Tonio_
[11:52] <Tonio_> raphink: nothing impossible as long as we "think" it correctly
[11:53] <raphink> Tonio_: there should be a spec for it
[11:53] <Tonio_> raphink: true
[11:53] <raphink> Riddell: well I think that's it
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: ust a little question since you are close to kde
[11:54] <Riddell> hmm?
[11:54] <raphink> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/zeroconf
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: one of the priorities for edgy will be compiz integration within xgl or aiglx
[11:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: that would be cool, although I don't know who could do it, I should talk to zrusin
[11:54] <Tonio_> and AFAIK, there are very little chances that the kde-window-decorator will work
[11:54] <allee> hi, uh, meeting not 22.00 UTC as in wiki :(  sorry
[11:54] <kwwii> zack is working for trolltech 100a100gain
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: zack didn't touch the cvs for 2 month....
[11:55] <Riddell> yes, kwin integration has been problematic I believe
[11:55] <kwwii> funky, where did the 100's come from
[11:55] <Lure> allee: :( - wiki was wrong....
[11:55] <Tonio_> so if we can't implement it, that will make a hudge difference will ubuntu
[11:55] <allee> SHIT
[11:55] <kwwii> that's ok, we voted you out
[11:55] <Riddell> hi allee, sorry the wiki wasn't updated properly
[11:56] <Riddell> allee: fancy being on the kubuntu council?
[11:56] <freeflying> Riddell: when will be the next meeting?
[11:56] <Riddell> that's a good question
[11:57] <freeflying> I'd update the meetingsagenda now
[11:57] <Riddell> maybe week after release
[11:57] <allee> fine with me.  But I'm not sure if I'm online enought to know and judge new peoples work.  You decide
[11:57] <Riddell> 8th june?
[11:57] <freeflying> Riddell: seems too long, how about one weeks after RC1
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we make a latest one just a week before release in case we miss something ?
[11:58] <allee> Tonio_: makes sense
[11:58] <Riddell> 1 week after RC is final release night :)
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: I think meeting every two weeks would be approprite
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: 1 day after rc1 release :)
[11:58] <raphink> good for me
[11:58] <Riddell> friday 26th?
[11:58] <freeflying> Riddell: then May, 21
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: good for me
[11:58] <Tonio_> although I may not be there...
[11:58] <kwwii> the 26th is bad for me
[11:58] <Lure> Firday is bad day for meetings
[11:58] <kwwii> flying to port
[11:59] <toma> vote allee++
[11:59] <Riddell> monday 29th?
[11:59] <kmon> Tonio_: suse 10.1 has just been released and they claim xgl support, maybe someone should take a look at how they do it for kde
[11:59] <Riddell> freeflying: 21st is a weekend
[11:59] <Tonio_> kmon: they do use gnome-window-decorator :)
[11:59] <Riddell> kmon: I've a feeling they just use gnome window manager
[11:59] <Tonio_> kmon: I asked during linuxtag
[11:59] <kmon> Tonio_: :(
[11:59] <allee> Riddell: too late I'm in holidays starting 26 ;)
[11:59] <raphink> kmon: xgl won't be in dapper
[11:59] <raphink> by default that is
[11:59] <raphink> ;)
[12:00] <raphink> and it's good this way
[12:00] <raphink> :)
[12:00] <freeflying> Riddell: then 22 st, then we have more then one week before release
[12:00] <kmon> raphink: I think ubuntu devs don't want to go with xgl
[12:00] <Tonio_> kmon: aiglx is more probable, since it is much easier to integrate
[12:00] <allee> freeflying: ++
[12:00] <Riddell> we could have it on 25th and just hope the RC is done by that time
[12:00] <Riddell> freeflying: seems quite soon
[12:00] <kmon> yesterdar mathew garret said that on irc
[12:00] <raphink> kmon: so far at least. Dapper is to be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and we can't do that with xgl
[12:00] <Riddell> although if we have a council by then we can do membership and stuff
[12:00] <toma> 25 is start k3m, i wont be there then.
[12:01] <Riddell> what's k3m?
[12:01] <toma> kde multi media meeting
[12:01] <kmon> raphink: I think they'll have a look at fedoras solution
[12:01] <Riddell> oh, cool
[12:01] <raphink> seems nice
[12:01] <raphink> I can't promise to be there at next meeting
[12:01] <Riddell> how's the 22nd?
[12:01] <Tonio_> kmon: which is aiglx :)
[12:01] <kmon> raphink: at least that's what I read the other day on IRC
[12:01] <raphink> as I'm given a job and am not sure I'll have a connexion at the time
[12:01] <raphink> but I'll do my best
[12:01] <raphink> :)
[12:01] <kmon> raphink: yes
[12:02] <Tonio_> kmon: compiz is already compatible with aiglx, I tested and that's exactly like with xgl, except it is just a little xorg addon
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: 22nd or 23rd are fine with me
[12:02] <Riddell> freeflying: put down the 22nd at 21:00UTC and see who complains
[12:02] <kmon> raphink: OT: Did you include your linuxtag talk on the wiki? :)
[12:02] <freeflying> Riddell: ok
[12:02] <raphink> kmon: what do you mean?
[12:03] <Riddell> meeting over, thanks all, remember to test ubiquity
[12:03] <kmon> raphink: your slides
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[12:03] <raphink> kmon:  my slides are on my website
[12:03] <kmon> raphink: on the wiki page about ubuntu presentations


[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #178817 in xorg (main) "software sticky key issue in x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178817
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #178826 in xorg (main) "xorg.conf gets overwritten every boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178826
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #178837 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 (main) "X Server fails to start. -- i815" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178837
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #129097 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129097
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #178849 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "x sluggish in hardy alpha-2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178849
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #111343 in compiz (main) "Graphical corruption with firefox's autoscroll and compiz (dup-of: 125269)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111343
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #153538 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "cedega fails to run games with compiz" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153538
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #178842 in ubuntu "[alpha2] Window appearance incorrect when "normal" is selected in Appearance Preference with SantaRosa Platform (dup-of: 175774)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178842
[18:54] <ubotu> New bug: #177518 in xorg (main) "blender causes hard freeze" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177518
[23:18] <pwnguin> wacom question: the current version doesn't seem to have a corresponding debian release
[23:18] <pwnguin> was the orig changed from upstream at all?
[23:19] <pwnguin> I imagine not, but sometimes people do this for dfsg reasons
[23:19] <tjaalton> can't remember
[23:19] <tjaalton> probably not
[23:21] <pwnguin> well, debian's version claims it has 7.3/1.4 support
[23:22] <tjaalton> so it needs a merge?
[23:22] <pwnguin> i guess
[23:22] <pwnguin> not sure if it's really a merge or a sync
[23:23] <tjaalton> we need the epoch
[23:23] <tjaalton> and there's other crap too
[23:23] <pwnguin> epoch?
[23:23] <tjaalton> check the changelog
[23:24] <pwnguin> im not sure what an epoch is
[23:24] <tjaalton> wacom-tools (1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2)
[23:24] <tjaalton> it's the "1:" in the version string
[23:25] <pwnguin> huh
[23:25] <tjaalton> so even if debian had 99999999.1-1, we'd still need the epoch
[23:25] <pwnguin> oh
[23:25] <tjaalton> so no sync
[23:26] <tjaalton> the maintainer didn't bother replying to my mail either
[23:26] <pwnguin> ron lee?
[23:27] <tjaalton> right, I'm pretty sure I asked about that, or maybe it was him or maybe about evtouch
[23:27] <tjaalton> er, s/him or//
[23:27] <tjaalton> -maybe
[23:27] <tjaalton> duh
[23:28] <pwnguin> at any rate, the merge would likely fix bug #175050
[23:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175050 in wacom-tools "wacom input driver broken in hardy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175050
[23:29] <tjaalton> maybe so
[23:30] <tjaalton> I'll add it to my merge queue
[23:30] <pwnguin> thank you very much!
[23:30] <pwnguin> do i need to do something on launchpad to help this?
[23:30] <tjaalton> no
[23:32] <tjaalton> but I closed the sync request
[23:33] <pwnguin> ok
[23:34] <pwnguin> i wasn't sure what to hit there. i didnt see anything that hit changes to the source code itself
[23:34] <tjaalton> that doesn't matter, just looking at the changelog would've made it clear that a sync is not possible
[23:35] <pwnguin> i did look at the changelog, but I guess I'm not fully knowledgeable yet -- im not sure what the epoch accomplishes
[23:37] <tjaalton> well there are other changes too..
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #178969 in wacom-tools (main) "Please sync latest wacom-tools from Debian" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178969


[11:52]  * kcj pokes chu
[11:53] <kcj> Wrong channel.
[18:10] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:48] <olly_> morning
[19:36] <ajmitch> morning
[22:02] <mwhudson> morning


[00:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1020336] plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1020336 (by Simon Andric)
[06:58] <Riddell> morning
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you at the venue?
[08:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, in the e.v. meeting
[08:23] <shadeslayer> ah, right
[09:58] <Blizzz> apachelogger: do you still have the rekonq-0.9.2 package for 12.04 flying around somewhere? can't find it in kubuntu-ppa
[11:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you sync the ktp packages?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> or was it the auto sync
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:43] <shadeslayer> hey BluesKaj
[11:44] <BluesKaj> hi shadeslayer
[11:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: jbicha synced them, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-July/003816.html
[11:45]  * shadeslayer looks
[11:45] <shadeslayer> hmm ...
[12:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I did not.  You were going to look into it.
[12:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I was looking into it
[12:54] <shadeslayer> uploadeed half the things to my PPA and then saw that they showed up as older versions than the one in the archiv
[12:55] <ScottK> Too slow I guess.
[12:55] <shadeslayer> s/uploadeed/uploaded/
[12:55] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "uploaded half the things to my PPA and then saw that they showed up as older versions than the one in the archiv"
[12:55] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[13:19] <ScottK> Riddell or shadeslayer: Are there any konsole developers there at Akademy?  If so, might you ask one of them to look at https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105423/ - I'd like to backport it to our 4.9 packages once it's accepted.
[13:21] <Riddell> hum I don't know who the current maintainer of konsole is
[13:21] <Riddell> Kurt Hindenburg, don't know him
[13:22]  * BluesKaj wonders if he lives in Germany :)
[13:22] <jtechidna> the patch for bug 1011961 would also be worth looking in to
[13:23] <jtechidna> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=71857 <- in particular
[13:38] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion soprano 2.8.0
[13:38] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1020566
[13:49] <jtechidna> isn't that a dupe of 1018300?
[13:53] <Riddell> bug 1018300
[13:53] <Riddell> mm yes
[14:01] <ScottK> jtechidna: I agree about 1011961.
[14:02] <ScottK> I suppose the answer isn't "You should be using key based access anyway.  Get over it."
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole lists some other people.
[17:46] <littlegirl> ping jjesse
[17:58] <jussi> o/
[18:21] <skreech__> hi littlegirl
[18:21] <skreech__> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:27] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[18:27] <littlegirl> jjesse, are you at your keyboard?
[18:29] <skreech_> Yes but cannot use his hands! The irony
[18:30] <littlegirl> It figures. (:
[18:32] <skreech_> Now he's not
[18:32] <littlegirl> Yeah, that's pretty definitive. (:
[18:41] <skreech_> JontheEchidna: Is Muon the official Kubuntu Appthingy now?
[18:42] <ScottK> Has been for quite awhile.
[18:43] <skreech_> should https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu be updated to new screenshots ?
[18:43] <skreech_> and actual methodology ?
[18:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:57] <ScottK> Since it's in the community section anyone can update it.
[18:57] <ScottK> skreech_: Go for it.
[18:57] <skreech_> \o/
[18:58] <skreech_> I was just checking JontheEchidna if there was any requests he wanted or there were any visual changes coming up we could put those in
[19:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1020677] kde login hangs at empty screen after todays dist-upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1020677 (by Ernst Kloppenburg)
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> skreech_: no big visual changes on muon's part for a while
[20:46] <littlegirl> Hey there, the hardware.xml file in the Kubuntu system documentation has a link with apt:computer-janitor-gtk as its link. If I put that into Firefox, I get "The address wasn't understood" and I'm wondering how such a URL is used.
[20:52] <debfx> littlegirl: apturl-kde is supposed to handle apt URLs
[20:54] <littlegirl> debfx: Thanks! Do you know if it automatically does when kdehelp is used to view the docs? I view them with Yelp because I haven't figured out how to open them in kdehelp.
[20:55] <debfx> it should work but I haven't tested it
[20:56] <littlegirl> debfx: Do you know how I can open the xml files in kdehelp?
[21:01] <debfx> nope
[21:01] <littlegirl> I read the help file and tried using every example, and none of them worked for me. ):
[21:04] <ScottK> littlegirl: computer-janitor-gtk is effectively unmaintained.  I'd suggest removing the discussion of it.
[21:05] <littlegirl> ScottK: Well, that's one way to solve it. (:
[21:05] <ScottK> As it happens, in this case, I'd recommend removing it even if the link worked.
[21:06] <littlegirl> Yeah, although if I run into another of those apt URLs I'll still find out more about how to test them. Do you know how to view xml files in kdehelp, ScottK?
[21:06] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.
[21:06] <littlegirl> Do you guys all use Yelp to view them?
[21:08]  * ScottK uses vim.
[21:08] <ScottK> (which almost certainly isn't what you want)
[21:09]  * littlegirl shudders in abject horror
[21:09] <littlegirl> Definitely not. (:
[21:09] <ScottK> I think kate does OK with XML files.
[21:09] <littlegirl> It does. It's what I use to edit them, but to view them I use Yelp.
[22:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: % git shortlog -ns                                                                                shadeslayer@saphira
[22:27] <shadeslayer>    888  Jekyll Wu
[22:27] <shadeslayer>    735  Robert Knight
[22:27] <shadeslayer> for konsole
[22:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[22:28] <shadeslayer> Haven't met a Jekyll Wu ....
[22:32] <skreech_> JontheEchidna: do you want the Muon Software Center mentioned?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> I mean, I guess you'll have to since that's how you get to the repository manager :P
[22:40] <skreech_> JontheEchidna: WEll I always use the Package manager :)
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> ah, yeah...
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> It's less clicks to get to the Software Center
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> K -> Computer -> MSC
[22:46] <skreech_> alt+F2 -> muo
[22:46] <skreech_> No clicks :)
[22:49] <shadeslayer> noooooo ... no more battery
[23:14] <skreech_> Hmm SOftware center won't load for me :-/


[20:09] <parlabane> heya
[20:11] <parlabane> anyone good with skype/lubuntu/audio through a usb webcam/tech ?
[20:11] <parlabane> in no particular order either just getting them to work...
[20:44] <peryson> hi all
[20:45] <peryson> i tried to disable password prompts in ubuntu using sudo visudo in terminal etc. but I ended up with an error at line 23 of the file, and now Im not able to work sudo visudo command.
[20:45] <parlabane> i have problem with my webcam (Bus 001 Device 002: ID 145f:0142) Trust WB-6250X Webcam  but the internal mic is very silent. i have played around with the settings in alsa mixer made sure it is capturing that, and also made sure it is at the higest volume setting.  i can't seem to find any sort mic boost which might do the trick.  had a go with pulseadio too but to no betterment. any of you have any idea what i might be doing
[20:45] <parlabane>  wrong or point me into a right direction?
[20:46] <ianorlin> is it muted?
[20:47] <ianorlin> does other audio work?
[20:48] <peryson> anyone please ?
[21:01] <Waka_Flocka> hi im using lubuntu on an extended partition, how do i delete windows without reinstalling?
[21:03] <parlabane> ianorlin, : it is not muted. i did a test in audacity, to see whether it picked up something.. and it picks nothing but if i blow very hard into it... and other audio works great .. the output does anyway.. i have no way of testing pink jacks, only have this usb cam with mic in it
[21:04] <parlabane> ianorlin, : or should i say not that i can see is it muted anyhow
[21:04] <parlabane> but muted i would of thought no sound would come out of it .. or into it at all right ?
[21:05] <ianorlin> yep
[21:05] <parlabane> then it has to be something els
[21:08] <ianorlin> does the picture work?
[21:08] <peryson> hi all, there is any way to disable password prompts for lubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:08] <parlabane> yes
[21:08] <parlabane> video works fine
[21:09] <NaKsUtTaJa> I'm trying to install lubuntu with alternate installer from my hard drive using UNetbootin. But after I have set country specifications the installer tells me it can't find the CD for installation files. How can I tell it to find them from hard drive?
[21:09] <Waka_Flocka> anyone here?
[21:10] <Waka_Flocka> well for my problem
[21:10] <ianorlin> do you still have the cd Waka Flocka
[21:10] <Waka_Flocka> no not the cd
[21:10] <Waka_Flocka> i already have it installed, 13.04
[21:11] <Waka_Flocka> i want to delete windows and extend lubuntu, but lubuntu is on a extended drive and i dont want to reinstall
[21:11] <Waka_Flocka> oops extended partition not drive
[21:17] <parlabane> to further my troubleshooting.. in the UVC guide : http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc the particular model i have has a green tick next to it so it should normally work out of the box
[21:18] <gomiboy> Waka_Flocka: you can use a gparted live cd, but it will be a looong procedure (and the result is not granted) because it has to move all the data on your partition... i'd backup the data and reinstall...
[21:19] <Waka_Flocka> ok ill reinstall when 13.10 or elementary luna comes
[21:37] <parlabane> any other clues or pointers for my issue maybe ?
[21:37] <parlabane> where can i find the mic boost in lubuntu?
[21:44] <Noskcaj> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206690
[22:40] <cdoublejj> so im un sure aobutthis
[22:40] <cdoublejj> so i ahve have wine 1.4 which seems ot be the latest for ubuntu
[22:41] <cdoublejj> yet the latest stable wine is 1.6 so wth?
[22:41] <cdoublejj> so i see some instruction for installing 1.6 on ubuntu
[22:41] <cdoublejj> do i need to uninstall 1.4 or will it just over write/update wine 1.4 to 1.6?
[22:51] <spikeb> it should update it, or install 1.6 alongside
[22:51] <spikeb> i forgot which
[22:59] <cdoublejj> oohhh that could turn out nasty, well i guess not , just uninstalled 1.6
[23:20] <cdoublejj> it updated wine
[23:26] <parlabane> cool :)
[23:35] <cdoublejj> problems though
[23:35] <cdoublejj> steam has no text so i found i could dl some font and extract them to fonts folder in the wine C drive except this locked up the whole machine, the mouse still works but, nothing can be clicked
[23:45] <cdoublejj> well i guess i'll just have to restart since idk of any ctrl atl del option for linux
[23:57] <ianorlin> ctrl alt del works on lubuntu to start lxtask
[23:57] <ianorlin> also super + r  lets you run things


[21:10] <Guest38> Hello
[21:13] <sarnold> hello
[21:14] <Guest38> Not sure I am at the right place, but I try. I have a question about kernel CVE assesment with openscap+OVAL on ubuntu 20.04/22.04. I think there are some false positives, but maybe there is something I don't understand with kernel versions, patches and vulnerabilities
[21:14] <Guest38> I described what I observed for a few months here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1444976/confused-about-reported-kernel-cve-by-openscap-with-oval-on-ubuntu-20-04-22-04
[21:17] <arraybolt3> Guest38: According to Ubuntu's Security Advisory List, that CVE has been partially dealt with. https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-43945 If I'm understanding the page right, Focal is still affected, but not Jammy.
[21:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- The Linux kernel NFSD implementation prior to versions 5.19.17 and 6.0.2 are vulnerable to buffer overflow. NFSD tracks the number of pages held by each NFSD thread by combining the receive and send buffers of a remote procedure call (RPC) into a single array of pages. A client can force the send buffer to shrink by sending an RPC message over TCP with garbage data... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-43945>
[21:23] <sarnold> curious indeed,  https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5755-1 sure looks like we think we fixed this; here's where jammy said it was fixed, but the focal one is missing that cve: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+changelog  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/5.15.0-56.62
[21:24] <arraybolt3> If you're using the HWE kernel (which I believe is used by default in Ubuntu?), you should have the fix from Jammy, though.
[21:24] <arraybolt3> (Is this the default in Ubuntu Server? I don't know for sure.)
[21:28] <sarnold> heh good question, I *think* the server installer defaults to the GA kernel while the desktop point release installers default to the HWE kernel, but that might be stale, or perhaps I just never knew the details, etc
[21:28] <Guest38> yes indeed. I have a few servers on focal with HWE, and same problem as Jammy. Some kernel CVE are patched, but OVAL definitions seems to be wrong because when checking kernel versions for evaluating if the CVE is still here with openscap, the result is true
[21:44] <arraybolt3> I should specify, I don't know if the use of the HWE kernel is enough to patch the bug on Focal. I highly suspect it is, but I don't know.
[21:44] <arraybolt3> Guest38: ^