[00:42] <HedgeMage> Ping, anybody with a free moment to help me test gobby.
[07:47] <alkisg> !info chromium-browser karmic
[07:47] <alkisg> !info chromium-browser lucid
[07:53] <alkisg> !info gyp karmic
[14:05] <mgariepy> morning everyone
[15:09] <highvoltage> morning mgariepy!
[15:13] <mgariepy> who you doing highvoltage ?
[15:14] <highvoltage> no one unfortunately :/
[15:15] <highvoltage> mgariepy: heh no it's going good. planning my day (even though it's already past 5pm)
[15:16] <mgariepy> planning your friday evening ?
[15:19] <mgariepy> when do you expect to be over here ?
[15:22] <highvoltage> mgariepy: I'm waiting for my passport back with the visa in. the embassy doesn't provide any feedback so I have no idea yet whether it's approved yet or not
[15:22] <highvoltage> mgariepy: they've had all the information they need for a while now, I hoped that I would get it in the post this week but it didn't come
[15:23] <mgariepy> ok
[15:23] <highvoltage> mgariepy: it's a bit discouraging, hopefully it's in the post next week now
[15:23] <mgariepy> i hope so.
[15:23] <highvoltage> once I have it I'll just need a few days to tie some loose ends and then I'll come over
[20:24] <joerg> hi
[21:31] <Lns> please, oh please, let's not let this happen in the final release... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633
[21:33] <alkisg> It actually makes more sense when they're on the left
[21:34] <Lns> how, when they've been on the right since....?? forever?
[21:34] <stgraber> minimize the mouse traveling distance quite a lot
[21:35] <alkisg> I do prefer them on the right. But, if they're to be on the left, the new order of the buttons makes more sense
[21:39] <Lns> stgraber: how do you figure?
[21:47]  * inetpro moved minimize, maximize and exit buttons on kubuntu to the left and actually like it
[21:50] <Lns> I would hate to be the one to tell my users "Oh, you'll like it this way" when most of them are using Windows at home and have to go back and forth
[21:50] <Lns> not to use windows as an excuse..it's just "known" that the right is where its always been
[21:51]  * inetpro agrees with stgraber, my general experience is that my mouse is usually closer to the left than to the right
[21:51] <inetpro> Lns: the only constant thing in life is change. Get over it.
[21:52] <Lns> inetpro: I guess so...which means i'll be "changing" from having a contract with a school district to "not" having one =p
[21:52] <inetpro> I've had my buttons switched like this for only one day and expect to keep them like this
[21:53] <Lns> For us it's an easy thing to get used to..for teachers, ....that is a much different story
[21:53] <Lns> as ironic as it is, teachers are the least likely to want to learn something new.
[21:53] <inetpro> Lns: heh, tell me about it
[21:54] <Lns> And how bout this - inconsistency with apps that don't use wm widgets
[21:54] <Lns> inconsistency with every other wm/de in linux
[21:54] <inetpro> the sad part is that they are the ones who think they know it all
[21:55] <Lns> well of course =)
[21:55] <Lns> I dunno, i'm probably making a bigger deal out of it than it is, but...jeez i'm gonna make sure that gconf key is set before anyone sees it =p
[21:56] <inetpro> Lns: I think it's worth a try to put the buttons on the left, it's not difficult to adapt to that
[21:56] <inetpro> people are making way to much of this issue
[21:56] <Lns> inetpro: I agree, I will probably keep it on the left for myself..i'm just thinking about the support call flood
[21:57] <inetpro> trust me, usability guys were involved in the decision
[21:57] <Lns> I'd like to at least hear some real answers as to WHY such a drastic change was committed, hours before FF
[21:57] <Lns> by usability guys
[21:57] <inetpro> Lns: is it really so drastic as people say it is?
[21:58] <Lns> and nobody could contest it
[21:58] <Lns> inetpro: look at the bug report.
[21:58] <inetpro> Lns: I've seen it and it's ludicrous
[21:58] <Lns> Shuttleworth himself is involved in it. that means its a big deal to people
[21:58] <inetpro> people hate change, it's as simple as that
[21:58] <Lns> of course they do
[21:58] <Lns> so why force them to?
[21:58] <inetpro> shuttleworth was making good points and I agree with him
[22:02] <inetpro> Lns: at some point somebody has to make a decision
[22:03] <inetpro> there are many different specialised teams for every small bit of development in the development lifecycle of open source software
[22:04] <inetpro> and what I have seen is that its open for anybody to take part
[22:05] <inetpro> teams have regular meetings, and that is where the decisions are made
[22:06] <inetpro> ultimately if users really don't like the change they may very well revert to the original, but I think it's worth a try
[22:07] <Lns> at least i sure hope they make it easy to revert w/o having to use gconf. That's gonna make a bunch of normal users really unhappy toward ubuntu
[22:14] <alkisg> It'll be difficult for courses too
[22:14] <alkisg> There's lot of written books with the buttons on the right... hard to rewrite them
[23:02] <Lns> Just seems like such a core thing to change just on the fly like that. Like when supermarkets just all of the sudden change their store layout for no apparent reason


[02:08] <teward[m]> Simon Quigley tsimonq2: BLAH AWAKE FOR YOUR PUNISHMENT>
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[08:09] <ducasse> hi folks'
[15:54] <leftyfb> tomreyn: what's up with hackerman other than the constant nick changing?
[16:19] <tomreyn> leftyfb: let's discuss ops actions in #ubuntu-ops, so the other ops can comment, too, please.
[16:35] <tomreyn> leftyfb: you made me look at what i did again, and it turns out you cannot do ban forwards against extbans.
[16:36] <leftyfb> has anyomne actually messaged them and asked them to fix it?
[16:37] <tomreyn> communicating with someone who's coonnection is broken would prove difficult


[00:04] <bkerensa> AlanBell: On a side note just because someone is making a Windows boot usb doesnt means its warez so long as they have a license
[00:04] <bkerensa> :P
[00:04] <bkerensa> and its impossible to do that on Ubuntu or any *nix system
[00:04] <AlanBell> yeah, he would still be better off with a Queen CD
[00:04] <bkerensa> lol
[00:04] <pangolin> lol
[00:04] <pangolin> I want to break freeeeeee
[00:05] <bkerensa> I want to ride my bicycle
[00:05]  * AlanBell keeps the Moet et Chandon in a pretty cabinet
[00:05] <mhall119> bkerensa: to my knowledge, Windows doesn't provide a way to make a live usb, so any method of doing that would involve unofficial copies of hacked code
[00:08] <bkerensa> mhall119: Unfortunately I had to install Windows 7 on a Netbook recently there is a way to do it if you have a DVD http://www.techrepublic.com/article/illustrated-walk-through-creating-a-bootable-usb-flash-drive-for-windows-xp/6160062
[00:08] <bkerensa> =/
[00:39] <AlanBell> nigelb: I am playing with etherpad lite and openID
[00:40] <nigelb> AlanBell: \o/
[00:40] <nigelb> I really wish I could join.
[00:40] <nigelb> npm doesn't work on my machine :-(
[14:53] <head_victim> Happy new year from down under everyone :)
[14:58] <AlanBell> yay, happy new year head_victim
[14:58] <head_victim> I'm so exciting I'm spending the night sitting here setting up my laptop to run as a local repository for next week's installfest :)
[14:59] <head_victim> Ah well at least the people at the end of the road set off some fireworks for me to look at.
[15:01] <AlanBell> I made a rocket rack for midnight
[15:02] <head_victim> They're actually illegal where I live unless you're licensed (and only commercial people are licensed) but you still see them occasionally.
[15:05] <AlanBell> I have little home ones, I used to do pro displays ages ago
[15:07] <head_victim> It always looks like the sort of thing that would be interesting to play with.
[15:11] <head_victim> Alright, well it's 1am and I should probably head off, don't have too much fun tonight. Cheerio.
[18:43] <MrChrisDruif> I wish everyone a happy and successful 2012!!


[00:38] <arcfide> Hey, is there anyone here who can point me in the right direction on BZR?
[00:38] <arcfide> Basically, I was tracking some code through BZR, but I have not done so in some time.
[00:39] <arcfide> It appears that they have changed names and the like on me, and I also have a number of changes of my own that I want to track and possibly send upstream.
[00:39] <arcfide> What is the way to change branches inside of a workspace?
[00:43] <bignose> arcfide: each branch has its own working tree.
[00:44] <arcfide> bignose: Um, so, what does that mean?
[00:44] <bignose> arcfide: if you want a different branch, use ‘bzr branch’ which will create that branch's working tree.
[00:44] <bignose> arcfide: multiple branches without switching directories is not the normal Bazaar mode of working.
[00:44] <arcfide> How do I get my changes from this current tree into that one?
[00:45] <bignose> arcfide: they're distinct branches, right? you want the branches to continue to have their own line of history?
[00:46] <arcfide> bignose: Well, no, so, the project I was tracking changes their name and the branches and URLs and the like, I just want to figure out how to get all of my changes in line with their changes while still playing nice with my own version history, which I actually keep in Monotone.
[00:46] <arcfide> I do my development in Monotone, but then I want to package something up so that I can send my changes upstream uzing Bazaar, which is what they use.
[00:46] <bignose> arcfide: it sounds like you want to merge from their branch into yours.
[00:46] <arcfide> Thus far I have committed no changes to the tree using Bazaar.
[00:47] <arcfide> Well, I don't want to have my own branch.
[00:47] <bignose> arcfide: that will bring the revision data in, merge (possibly leaving you to fix conflicts), then leave the working tree in a state for you to test
[00:47] <bignose> once you're happy the merge is as you want it, you commit that and continue.
[00:48] <bignose> arcfide: “playing nice with my own version history seems to necessitate you having your own branch.
[00:48] <arcfide> Well, so, I want to take my changes and merge them into their branch, not the other way around.
[00:48] <bignose> arcfide: you can't merge into someone else's branch; they do that.
[00:48] <arcfide> bignose: Sorry, my own version history is kept outside of Bazaar in Monotone (another VCS), I only want to put into the Bazaar history those things that I need to send upstream.
[00:49] <bignose> you don't have write permission to their branch, right?
[00:49] <arcfide> I will probably be getting it.
[00:49] <arcfide> Maybe I don't know how to word it correctly, I'm basically a BZR newb.
[00:49] <bignose> arcfide: so how are you going to get the Monotone VCS data into Bazaar?
[00:50] <arcfide> I'm not.
[00:50] <arcfide> I'm going to roll up single patches to push up, but I don't want the history to move over.
[00:50] <arcfide> So LIke this:
[00:50] <arcfide> 1. Grab their source; 2. Make lot's of little changes tracked in Monotone; 3. When things are ready, make a patch/commit into the Bazaar system and push upstream.
[00:51] <bignose> arcfide: between the latter two steps is an implied “get my Monotone VCS data into Bazaar VCS data”. how will you do that?
[00:51] <arcfide> I don't need or want them to see all the intermediate commits and things that I track in Monotone, and indeed, there are some changes that I don't want to push upstream to them, but I do want to be able to create or generate a patch or push the changes that I want up to their branch.
[00:51] <arcfide> I'm in the same working tree.
[00:52] <arcfide> So, I have a folder SRFI/ that is simultaneously a Monotone Workspace and a Bazaar working tree.
[00:52] <arcfide> I make changes in that tree, and track those changes in different ways in the two systems.
[00:52] <arcfide> Up until now I haven't been using Bazaar at all, and I'm way out of date.
[00:53] <arcfide> So I have a working tree with a bunch of changes that I have made to it, uncommitted (to BZR's knowledge), but now I want to take my changes and send them upstream, and to do that I need to merge in their changes and figure out what conflicts.
[00:53] <arcfide> Am I doing things the wrong way?
[00:55] <arcfide> The branch that I was tracking before was called http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eikarus-libraries-team/ikarus-libraries/srfi/, but now it seems to be lp:~scheme-libraries-team/scheme-libraries/srfi. It's the same project, though.
[01:07] <bignose> arcfide: sorry, was AFK
[01:07] <bignose> arcfide: one huge advantage of Bazaar is that, though a merge preserves all the revisions, the default log view doesn't show them.
[01:08] <bignose> arcfide: so there's no need to modify history for mere visibility reasons
[01:08] <bignose> arcfide: just merge all your stuff, and give the merge commit a useful summary
[01:08] <bignose> arcfide: then the user of that branch will see your merge commit with its useful message
[01:08] <bignose> arcfide: and, if they care, can choose to see the individual revisions merged
[01:09] <arcfide> Hm, I'm still not sure what you mean, but thanks!
[01:09] <bignose> arcfide: it means the “rebase common in other VCSen is virtually unnecessary in Bazaar
[01:09] <bignose> args
[01:09]  * bignose typing special characters badly
[01:09] <arcfide> Actually, I found something that works. If I do a bzr branch on the new branch, creating a fresh copy, and then move my Monotone settings into that working tree, Monotone will tell me everything that is missing or changed since I was working on it, and I can just merge from Bazaar that way, so everything seems cool.
[01:09] <arcfide> Rebase? I'm not familiar with that.
[01:10] <arcfide> I don't think we do that in Monotone land either.
[01:10] <bignose> arcfide: forget rebase then :-)
[01:10] <bignose> what is “bzr branch on the new branch”?
[01:10] <bignose> can you give these different things names so we can refer to them?
[01:10] <arcfide> Literally bzr branch <repo_url>.
[01:10] <arcfide> So, basically, the whole problem was that the upstream changed names.
[01:11] <bignose> I don't see how that's a problem.
[01:12] <arcfide> In Monotone, if you change branch names somewhere down the road, if you simply tell Monotone to grab the newer branch, it will following the changes through to the new branch and let you shift over to that new branch inside of the same workspace. I was trying to get the same effect in Bazaar, but it appears that branches are more disjoint things.
[01:12] <bignose> are you just looking for the command to tell Bazaar the new parent branch location?
[01:12] <arcfide> Basically, they switched to a new branch everything, and I couldn't just pull or merge anymore. It was giving me an error that the old branch didn't exist.
[01:13] <bignose> arcfide: okay, so you just specify the branch location
[01:13] <arcfide> I tried that, and it wouldn't work.
[01:13] <arcfide> You mean specify the new branch location, right?
[01:14] <bignose> arcfide: please, let's use names for these
[01:14] <bignose> make some arbitrary names and tell me which is which
[01:14] <arcfide> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~scheme-libraries-team/scheme-libraries/srfi/
[01:14] <arcfide> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to target of bound branch BzrBranch6(file:///home/arcfide/code/srfi/) => http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eikarus-libraries-team/ikarus-libraries/srfi/: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ikarus-libraries-team/ikarus-libraries/srfi/".
[01:14] <arcfide> That's what BZR was giving me, I gave you the repo names above.
[01:15] <bignose> that's when you type what command?
[01:16] <lifeless> probably any
[01:16] <arcfide> bzr pull or merge.
[01:16] <lifeless> or at least update, commit, push and pull
[01:16] <arcfide> I think it was probably pull.
[01:16]  * arcfide searches his command history.
[01:16] <arcfide> Yes, pull.
[01:16] <lifeless> arcfide: bzr unbind
[01:16] <lifeless> arcfide: then bzr bind with the new upstream url
[01:16] <arcfide> Aaah.
[01:17] <arcfide> Okay, cool, thanks, I've learned something about BZR now. Thanks for your patience bignose.
[01:17] <bignose> arcfide: yes, I was going to modify your command to get it to remember the new location
[01:17] <bignose> as lifeless says, it's just a matter of telling Bazaar to update its remembered location to the new location
[01:18] <arcfide> I figured it was something simple like that.
[01:18] <bignose> okay :-)
[01:18] <bignose> glad to have helped.
[01:20] <arcfide> Um, so, when I try to commit, if my commit message has an "Unknown" in it, does that mean it is going to commit that file or just that it will ignore it?
[01:33] <spiv> arcfide: it will not include the unknown file in the commit (and will fail if you try "commit --strict")
[01:34] <arcfide> Aaah, okay.
[01:43] <arcfide> Thanks a bunch!
[08:18] <vila> poolie: "We can possibly have dallas between the commands." Dallas ??? Is that a typo or am I missing a joke ?
[08:28] <fullermd> Hope it's not a joke.  It's so Belgium.
[08:38] <vila> fullermd: it appears that poolie was under attack by its spell-checker ;)
[09:04] <poolie> hi vila
[09:04] <poolie> there'sa session now about upcoming launchpad features in #ubuntu-uds
[09:04] <poolie> there'sa session now about upcoming launchpad features in #ubuntu-uds-tas
[09:04] <poolie> vila, jam, spiv, ^^
[09:04] <vila> poolie: ok, could we discuss 2.3.2/2.3.3 after that ?
[09:05] <poolie> "calving branching" too hey :)
[09:05] <poolie> you and me, or people here at uds?
[09:09] <vila> poolie: you and/or jelmer, the main point is to get feedback about the SRU and the failUnless, failIf deprecation fix diff size
[09:11]  * jelmer hears his name and wakes up
[09:11] <jelmer> vila: which issue is this?
[09:12] <poolie> vila, there's a session about lptools following this
[09:13] <vila> jelmer: see my mail on ML "bzr-2.3.2, SRU and conflicting tags"
[09:13] <vila> jelmer: roughly 2.3.2 fail the test suite with > 1000 errors
[09:13] <maxb> poolie: Btw, has there been any "Where to go and when to show up" info sent out for next week's bzr sprint? I've not seen any
[09:15] <poolie> ah, marianna probably missed you because (afaik) you don't need accommodation
[09:16] <poolie> basically turn up at the millbank tower before 9am monday
[09:16] <poolie> (or later if you want)
[09:16] <poolie> you will be expected
[09:18] <poolie> vila, i'm disappointed (not with you) that babune didn't catch this
[09:18] <poolie> i did actually look at it while you were away and found it down
[09:19] <vila> poolie: that's because it was *down* :)
[09:19] <poolie> i know
[09:19] <poolie> i know last time you said you turned off the hardware
[09:19] <vila> V. wasn't at ease leaving computers running without anybody to check for fire
[09:20] <poolie> :)
[09:20] <poolie> perhaps we can move it out of your house
[09:21] <vila> poolie: but the issue AIUI is that a python upgrade raised the issue so the slave needed to be upgraded to catch it anyway
[09:21] <vila> (or another job added on the master itself which is upgraded more regularly)
[09:21] <vila> but anyway, no vila at home, no upgrades
[09:25] <maxb> Thanks poolie - and yes, I'm only a tube journey away
[09:26] <vila> maxb: great, cu there ;)
[09:32] <bialix> hi
[09:32]  * bialix is looking for vila, the master of configs
[09:32] <bialix> hey vila
[09:33] <vila> bialix: busy now, I'll try to answer but expect some lag
[09:33] <bialix> np
[09:34] <bialix> vila: ok
[09:38] <vila> bialix: hey, ask your question anyway ! :0
[09:39] <bialix> vila: I need to talk with somebody about qbzr.conf problems (bug #761535).
[09:42] <poolie> vila, 2.3.3 sounds fine to me
[09:44] <vila> poolie: ok, I'll do that
[09:44] <vila> http://pad.lv/657550
[09:45] <vila> pad.lv/657550
[09:45] <thumper> vila: isn't hard
[09:45] <vila> hmm, so bug 657550 is still shorter
[09:45] <vila> thumper: sorry, was just using a random bug to test the ubuntu bot
[09:45] <thumper> vila: :)
[09:46] <vila> thumper: argh, not implying the bug is random :-/
[09:46] <thumper> vila: and here I was thinking you'd fix it :)
[09:46] <vila> hehe
[09:47] <vila> poolie: if you could paste the channel where the next sessions is happening that would be great (makes it sooo easy to join including getting the audio)
[09:47] <poolie> it's on summit.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <jelmer> vila, it's in elod
[09:48] <vila> epic fail
[09:48] <poolie> yeah, elod
[09:48] <bialix> what is elod?
[09:48] <vila> #ubuntu-uds-elog
[09:48] <jelmer> bialix, it's the name of one of the rooms here at UDS
[09:48] <bialix> ah, great
[09:48] <vila> #ubuntu-uds-elod
[09:49] <vila> poolie, jelmer: I meant the channel *name* so I can click on it :)
[09:49]  * bialix has installed msvc2008 express russian version, it can compile bzr c extensions for py2.6
[09:50] <vila> bialix: \o/
[09:50] <bialix> compiling in russain is a lot of fun. ms did a very good job about printing russian messages to the console regardless of codepage
[09:50] <bialix> poor python
[09:51] <vila> bialix: so, I think you got a good handle on the problem, if you cache the whole file locally multiple times, incoherence is guaranteed
[09:51] <vila> bialix: that's why the bzrlib implementation re-read the config file before setting a single value
[09:51] <bialix> vila: yes, I want to talk about how to fix this mess now
[09:51] <vila> bialix: use the bzrlib implementation
[09:52] <vila> bialix: and while you're there, stop using embedded sections ;)
[09:52] <bialix> some parts of qbzr expects this caching behavior :-(
[09:52] <vila> bialix: why ?
[09:52] <vila> to avoid reading the file ?
[09:52] <bialix> vila: no way! only by mey dead corpse
[09:52] <vila> it's in the cache, it shouldn't make such a difference
[09:52] <vila> err, I meant the OS cache
[09:54] <bialix> vila: I've talked about embedded sections
[09:55] <bialix> wait! we don't have embedded sections yet! haha
[09:55] <bialix> we have just sections
[09:55]  * bialix has to teach himself to put smilie after each joke
[09:56] <bialix> vila: there was intent to write all changes to config file at once
[09:56] <bialix> should I keep that or should just write ever time the options changed... that's the question
[09:58] <vila> use the bzrlib implementation and it will write at each change
[09:58] <bialix> I think I should just go this way
[09:58] <vila> bialix: be also aware that new stuff I'm working on will *also* require some changes in your code anyway
[09:59] <bialix> oh, no! :-)
[09:59] <vila> I'll try to make this painless and provide some migration path but there are cases I just can't automate anyway so I'm now ~convinced that the most effective way to address the issues is to provide helpers instead of trying to automate all cases
[10:00] <bialix> sorry, I have no idea what are you talking about
[10:01] <bialix> I haven't followed your merge proposals
[10:06] <poolie> vila, jam, spiv, starting soon in elod
[10:06] <poolie> hi bialix
[10:06] <bialix> hi poolie
[10:06] <vila> poolie: already there
[10:07] <vila> bialix: how would you know then ! :D
[10:07] <jam> hi poolie
[10:08] <bialix> vila: know what? I'm subscribed to merge proposals but have no time to follow all of them
[10:09] <bialix> also I receive a lot of notifications about daily-ppa builds, they're a bit noisy
[10:09] <vila> bialix: know where we're heading so you can anticipate ;) Like... embedded sections are not needed to guarantee atomic changes (which AIUI is your main motivation)
[10:11] <bialix> sorry, I'm too dumb today. I just don't understand, perhaps I've missed something important
[10:13] <bialix> yesterday I had mid-term test in my English class. I have much worse result than I thought. My english skill is not good these days perhaps
[10:13] <vila> embedded sections are Evil: if you use one in the no-name section (i.e. branch.conf is just a no-name section) and call it 'qbzr' (for the sake of the example), then you can't have a section named 'qbzr' where you specify options that should apply to a 'qbzr' path
[10:14] <bialix> maybe we should just say that configobj is evil? joke joke joke
[10:14] <vila> bialix: hehe, don't get discouraged, it may just mean you're progressing by getting aware of your errors (as opposed to making errors without realizing it ;)
[10:15] <vila> bialix: well, almost, the problem is we din't clearly specified which parts we wanted to use and people went directly to configobj to use features that now conflict
[10:16] <vila> bialix: busy again, expect lag again
[10:16] <bialix> vila: about embedded sections: we don't use no-name sections in qbzr.conf
[10:17] <bialix> 12 tenses of english just kill me
[10:17] <vila> bialix: but you use one in branch.conf, that's the one that is the trouble for me
[10:17] <bialix> vila: oh, we have already talked about commit_data and have reached agreement I will remove it... sometimes soon
[10:18] <bialix> qbzr.conf is my headache now
[10:18] <vila> oh, I forgot about that, great !
[11:12] <poolie> vila, jam, talking about python versionsupport in -elod now
[11:12] <poolie> specifically dropping py2 from the cd in oneiric
[11:13] <poolie> not from the distro
[11:21] <mtaylor> poolie: you were right - easy_install launchpadlib works just fine now
[11:23] <poolie> hooray
[11:23] <poolie> i think it was broken but i might have fixed it
[11:23] <poolie> or someone else did
[11:23] <poolie> oh the thing with jenkins failures it turned out was actually from Brian
[11:23] <poolie> i replied to him
[11:23] <mtaylor> cool
[11:24] <mtaylor> do you remember what the issue was? something crazy?
[11:27] <poolie> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-1948
[12:13] <poolie> jam, hi
[12:13] <jam> hi poolie
[12:13] <poolie> i'm just looking with eres at slow initial branching of gcc-licano into an empty repository
[12:13] <poolie> noticeably slower than going into a new standalone branch
[12:13] <poolie> this sounds familiar
[12:13] <poolie> there are many get_parent_map calls
[12:13] <poolie> but i thought this was fixed
[12:14] <jam> poolie: if you branch without a tarrget repo we issue a "give me everything request"
[12:14] <poolie> sorry, revital
[12:14] <jam> if you have a target repo
[12:14] <jam> we always _walk_to_common_revisions
[12:14] <poolie> then it checks what's there
[12:14] <poolie> right
[12:14] <jam> We talked about having a "is the repo empty" api
[12:14] <jam> never happened
[12:14] <poolie> or faster spanning out to discover this
[12:15] <poolie> ok ,https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/388269
[12:15] <jam> poolie: or using the target branch as a hint to what might be in the target repo
[12:15] <jam> (namely nothing)
[12:15] <jam> though this won't always be correct (new branches will always be at NULL:)
[12:16] <poolie> that's not a bad idea
[12:17] <poolie> ok thanks
[12:17] <Peng> What would that do if you were pulling into an empty branch even though the repo already has all the revisions?
[12:17] <poolie> we'll just let it run
[12:17] <jam> Peng: hence my point that it can only be a hint
[12:17] <Peng> :D
[12:17] <jam> (and one that doesn't cause things to explode badly)
[12:46] <stewart> are there any gui tools (esp for exploring history with annotate) that won't make me cry?
[12:46] <stewart> (this rules out bzr explorer and bzr-gtk's annotate)
[12:47] <awilkins> bzr qannotate ?
[12:48] <awilkins> Oh, hang on, bzr-explorer uses qbzr, doesn't it?
[12:48] <stewart> awilkins, looks like it
[13:23] <bialix> jelmer: should I package subvertpy 0.8.0 into windows installer? bzr 2.3 has packaged 0.7.5.
[13:42] <jelmer> bialix, 0.7.5 should still be fine for that version of bzr-svn
[13:43] <bialix> so, you don't recommend me to use 0.8?
[13:44] <jelmer> bialix, 0.8 shouldn't have anything 0.7.5 doesn't as far as the version of bzr-svn you're currently bundling goes
[13:45] <bialix> jelmer: can I have a very simple answer: y/n? I assume that I should use 0.7.5
[13:46] <jelmer> bialix: go for 0.7.5 if you're sticking to the same version of bzr-svn
[13:46] <bialix> svn version is lp:bzr-svn
[13:46] <bialix> i.e. your trunk
[13:47] <bialix> should I package specific version?
[13:47] <jelmer> bialix, if you use lp:bzr-svn you should use subvertpy 0.8.0
[13:47] <jelmer> but you shouldn't really use lp:bzr-svn in a release..
[13:47] <bialix> what should I use for 2.4b2?
[13:48] <jelmer> for 2.4b2 lp:bzr-svn is probably appropriate, there's no matching bzr-svn release yet
[13:48] <bialix> so then I should use subvertpy 0.8, right?
[13:54] <jelmer> bialix, yes
[13:54] <bialix> jelmer: thank you
[14:44] <fullermd> Woof, up into the 71 millions on lplibrarian.
[14:51] <jelmer> jam: are you happy for my per-file-graph branch to land? you mentioned in your comments that you were ok with it, but you didn't vote.
[14:56] <jam> jelmer: yeah, its fine
[14:57] <jelmer> jam: thanks!
[16:33] <fullermd> vila: Next release, should update the copyright date (still says -2010)
[16:36] <vila> fullermd: huh ? What ? WHere ?
[16:36] <fullermd> bzr version output's where I noticed it.
[16:37]  * vila whistles
[16:37] <fullermd> bzr script itself also has up to 2010.
[16:37]  * fullermd didn't look farther.
[16:38] <vila> argh, tricky setup for auto_update_copyright
[16:39] <vila> fullermd: thanks for the heads-up
[16:41] <fullermd> Yay, +karma.  Maybe now I can scream at people today and still wind up even.
[16:42] <vila> hehe
[16:47] <mgz> so, yelling at vila means you get to yell at other people too?
[16:47] <throughnothing> is there a way to view the diff of 2 separate branches in launchpad WITHOUT doing a merge proposal first?  I'd like to be able to send a link around and get feedback before doing a merge proposal
[16:47] <fullermd> mgz: Well, you gotta warm up first.  Otherwise you might strain your vocal chords, see.
[16:48] <vila> . o O (mgz: Perfect, I don't have to say it myself ;)
[16:49] <vila> throughnothing: no. But once you've made the proposal, you can just push your additional commits (or even different ones if you use push --overwrite), lp will happily re-calculate the diff
[16:49] <mgz> throughnothing: `bzr diff --old lp:<1> --new lp:<2>`?
[16:49] <vila> mgz: he want to send a link (presumably one showing the diff)
[16:49] <vila> throughnothing: is that ^ correct
[16:50] <fullermd> And the diff of two branches probably isn't what you really _want_; you want more a preview of the merge.
[16:50] <fullermd> (unless one branch is a strict superset of the other)
[16:51] <mgz> that's true.
[16:52] <throughnothing> mgz: thanks, yeah I know i can do this locally, I guess that'll have to do, just not as easy to get ppl to do that than to go to a link :)
[16:53] <mgz> getting feedback before a merge proposal seems a little over-cautious to me
[16:53] <mgz> just do an mp and say in the description you want feedback before doing more work on the branch
[16:53] <vila> throughnothing: mps are intended to cover getting feedback too
[16:53] <mgz> you can set the reviewers to specific people rather than the whole team for the project
[16:54] <mgz> (if you don't want to bug everyone)
[16:55] <throughnothing> mgz: ok, I just know that its not ready to be merged, and I know more stuff I have to do, but would like feedback on whats already done (for instance, I know i still need to add more tests)
[16:55] <throughnothing> but I understand your point as well
[16:55] <mgz> I do mps like that all the time :)
[16:55] <throughnothing> haha ok
[16:55] <throughnothing> i guess i can mark it as work in progress
[16:55] <throughnothing> or something similar
[16:58] <vila> throughnothing: yes, once you get feedback, marking as wip means... you're still working on it
[18:07] <briandealwis> Hi jelmer.  I'm trying to use bzr-git 0.6.0 with bzr 2.4b2 but it fails as "TypeError: As of bzr 2.4 Testament.__init__() takes a Revision and a Tree.".
[18:07] <briandealwis> So I thought I'd try from bzr-git from trunk, but it fails with "ImportError: No module named versionedfiles" at repository.py line 46 which does an import: "from bzrlib.plugins.git.versionedfiles import (GitTexts)"  and there's no definition for GitTexts
[18:08] <jelmer> briandealwis, hi
[18:09] <jelmer> briandealwis, fixed
[18:09] <briandealwis> great, thanks!
[18:09] <jelmer> I had a .pyc file around locally, which is why I must have missed it
[18:09] <briandealwis> ah right
[19:16] <mgz> dammit, forgot spell check
[20:13] <NielsD> hi
[22:17] <hbeck> hey, having an issue with qbzr package (qlog specifically):  bzr: ERROR: No module named configobj  You may need to install this Python library separately.
[22:18] <hbeck> quick google says this issue has been seen before but I'm not sure what the fix was/is
[22:20] <hbeck> I have bzr 2.3.1-0 and qbzr 0.20.0-1
[22:27] <hbeck> also, python-bzrlib shows "/usr/share/pyshared/bzrlib/util/configobj/configobj.py" installed.
[22:58] <maxb> hbeck: Could you please check versions with "dpkg -l bzr python-bzrlib qbzr" - 2.3.1-0 does not look like a real version to me
[22:59] <hbeck> bzr                             2.3.1-0~bazaar1~lucid2
[22:59] <hbeck> I just chopped the end off
[22:59] <hbeck> python-bzrlib                   2.3.1-0~bazaar1~lucid2
[22:59] <hbeck> qbzr                            0.20.0-1~bazaar1~lucid1
[23:21] <hbeck> maxb: that help any?
[23:26] <chx> why is it that though i have not configured an editor in bazaar.conf, i do not have $VISUAL and $BZR_EDITOR set and $EDITOR is set to nano I *still* get vi?
[23:47] <maxb> hbeck: Hmm. I thought we'd got rid of all these problems. Maybe the qbzr package isn't new enough
[23:48] <maxb> huh, this is probably something fixed in 0.20.1


[00:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: please look at this Reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/4txypi/lubuntu_16041_lts_has_been_released/d5nrwhs
[00:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: that torrent seems to not work at all
[01:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: the reason why that's a critical bug for us is we didn't release PPC for 16.04.1 but we did for 16.04
[01:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: some people might want a 16.04 PPC ISO
[04:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: The 16.04 amd64 (the one he's trying) isn't intended to work, we only keep the latest on the tracker but, indeed, there's a misfeature that removed ppc-16.04, I'll ressurrect that.
[04:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: ppc 16.04 torrents should work again.
[04:51] <tsimonq2> thank you infinity
[10:21] <kalxas> hi infinity cjwatson
[10:22] <kalxas> I was here yesterday too, I am looking for the source code of the iso build process for Lubuntu
[10:23] <kalxas> I was talking to Marc Deslauriers and he pointed me to the ubuntu source


[04:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Further Ubuntu Accomplishments Progress - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/12/further-ubuntu-accomplishments-progress/
[07:02] <diplo> morning all
[07:39] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:49] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:50] <dwatkins> \o
[07:50] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> morning
[07:52] <daubers> Any woodworky types around? After recommendations on how to finish a laser cut thing I'm working on
[07:53] <dogmatic69> daubers: I used to own a furniture manufacturing company if that counts
[07:53] <daubers> dogmatic69: It does!
[07:53] <dogmatic69> what you wanna know?
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Gears! Lots and lots of gears.
[07:53] <daubers> dogmatic69: I've been told that beeswax is ok, but have no idea if that would work on laser cut ply or how to apply it :)
[07:54] <dogmatic69> depending on your needs, give it a good sanding. smooth all the edges etc
[07:55] <dogmatic69> beeswax / oil is way more effort than varnish, but in the long run less
[07:55] <daubers> More effort to apply, but less effort to look after?
[07:58] <dogmatic69> ye, exactly
[07:59] <dogmatic69> varnish, especially outside items will require sanding down and reapplying in time, using oil it is just a matter of rubbing more on now and again
[07:59] <dogmatic69> what is the item?
[07:59] <daubers> It's a laptop stand :)
[08:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning
[08:02] <daubers> o/
[08:02] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:03] <daubers> dogmatic69: Was looking at something like http://www.briwax.co.uk/products/beeswax.html
[08:04] <dogmatic69> daubers: something that should be fine.
[08:06] <dogmatic69> I have not specifically used beeswax, but that has linseed oil also. One of the things I have been told / done for oiling stuff is every day for a week, every week for a month and then every month for a year. If you follow that you would never have to do anything again
[08:06] <daubers> Cool :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> G'mornin' all! :D
[08:22] <daubers> o/
[08:25]  * daubers may need to pop out for more paracetamol
[08:27]  * dogmatic69 has a small pharmacy going
[08:32] <meet> i have got a 10 yr old pc with winxp. was planning to install ubuntu 10.10 (as i experienced it to be less resource consuming.) but should i go with lubuntu ?
[08:33] <dwatkins> What spec is the machine, in terms of CPU speed and RAM, meet? Also, how much disk space do you have available?
[08:34] <meet> i got 40 gb hard drive which is half filled i guess. 512mb ram. pentium 4 processor
[08:34] <dwatkins> What speed is the CPU?
[08:34] <meet> 1.6 ghz i think
[08:35] <dwatkins> I'm running 10.04 on an Atom-based machine, it's hyperthreaded, so probably runs a bit better than your P4, but the core is 1.6 GHz and it's got a 16 GB root partition. It's got a gig of RAM, though, that might be the best and simplest thing to upgrade.
[08:36] <popey> meet: 10.10 went out of support this week
[08:36] <bigcalm> Install 10.04 and you'll get a little bit of support
[08:37] <dwatkins> I'm not aware of a huge difference between 10.04 and 11.04 in terms of requirements, might actually be better to have a newer version.
[08:37] <gord> i've got atoms on 12.04 that work well
[08:37] <popey> not with 512MB RAM you don't :)(
[08:37] <popey> I have two 900MHz celerons running 12.04 ☺
[08:37] <dwatkins> meet: ultimately, you may end up spending more each year in electricity if you're running that P4 than if you bought an Atom-based system.
[08:38] <dwatkins> My old 1 GHz AMD-based system cost me over 200 pounds a year in power alone to run constantly
[08:38] <dwatkins> 160 Watts
[08:38] <bigcalm> I miss how quiet the Revo is. Wondering if I shall move the ProLiant to another part of the house and use Ethernet over Power. Maybe even the garage...
[08:39] <popey> its not _that_ loud!
[08:39] <popey> well, maybe the N40L is?
[08:39] <bigcalm> Humm
[08:39] <bigcalm> I don't have a sound meter to test
[08:40] <daubers> dogmatic69: Thanks for the advice :) Will take a trip to the diy shop this evening
[08:40] <gord> yeah you want more than 512mb for 12.04
[08:41] <gord> apart from that, it should work fine
[08:41] <dwatkins> I'd show my phpsysinfo, meet, but it's largely unexciting, and the fact it says I have 20 MB RAM free is slightly misleading.
[08:41] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should put munin back online.
[08:42] <bigcalm> popey: still haven't decided if I need to replace the 2gb with 8gb. What's your opinion
[08:42] <bigcalm> ?
[08:44]  * dwatkins ponders a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware
[08:44] <meet> the thing is that pc is hardly used except by my mom. and she complains often of the sluggishness of the winxp. and i find no reason to upgrade the hardware. so for those lightweight, simplistic approach which is better?
[08:45] <bigcalm> meet: a new and very cheap machine will save you a lot of grief and money in the long run
[08:45] <popey> bigcalm: i have one with 8GB, one with 1GB
[08:46] <popey> meet: lubuntu
[08:46] <bigcalm> popey: how much of the 8gb is in use?
[08:46] <dwatkins> Dell's outlet website is a good place to look for a cheap barebones machine.
[08:46] <popey> bigcalm: dunno, its just been rebooted, so not much
[08:46] <bigcalm> Ah
[08:46] <bigcalm> As has mine
[08:47] <meet> but the thought of cheapest cheap ugraded using linux is bringing out the miser in me :D
[08:47] <bigcalm> Last thing that needs moving from the Revo are my parents' backups, then I can leave the ProLiant on 24/7
[08:47] <dwatkins> meet: what kind of upgrade? imho, you probably ony need to upgrade the RAM.
[08:49] <popey> it will still be slow
[08:49] <popey> my mum has an Acer Aspire Revo 3600 as her only computer
[08:49] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm just thinking what's required to run Ubuntu as opposed to an ideal replacement
[08:50] <dwatkins> bare minimum would be 1 GB, I imagine.
[08:51] <meet> dwatkins i think the motherboard wont support extra ram..
[08:52] <dwatkins> aw shame
[08:53] <bigcalm> I keep quick-reading that line as "my mother won't support extra ram"
[08:53] <bigcalm> I think I need coffee
[08:53]  * dwatkins downloads lubuntu out of curiosity
[09:02] <dwatkins> "Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable system with lubuntu."
[09:02] <dwatkins> I'm interested to see how well it performs if I give the virtual machine only 128 MB RAM.
[09:06] <gord> Myrtti, you might appreciate as much as me http://i.imgur.com/ObdfG.jpg
[09:07] <Myrtti> oh wow
[09:07] <Myrtti> instant wallpaper material
[09:09] <dwatkins> Miyazaki++
[09:09] <Myrtti> I don't recognise the biker lady in the camouflage overalls, but the rest looks familiar
[09:09] <dwatkins> That's an awesome pic, gord :)
[09:10] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:10] <Myrtti> nor the ninjas
[09:11] <bigcalm> I have a magnetic paw Jiji :)
[09:11] <bigcalm> And a cuddly Totoro, sadly missing an eye :(
[09:12] <dwatkins> I'm not aware of the cat bus, looks a little strange.
[09:12] <gord> then you should make My Neighbour Totoro the next movie you watch :)
[09:13] <bigcalm> Neko Bus?
[09:13] <bigcalm> Really
[09:13] <bigcalm> :D
[09:13] <directhex> mine's on region 1
[09:13] <Myrtti> NEKO BUS!
[09:13] <directhex> so i can't just watch it
[09:13] <directhex> i did rip it though...
[09:14] <gord> i have the entire ghibli collection, complete! they are numbed by the publisher 1-16. until Arrietty which came out recently. which they gave the number "6". i already have a six, ruined everything
[09:14] <gord> need to print out my own fixed cover or something
[09:14] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:15] <bigcalm> What are the 2 characters to the left of Sen?
[09:16] <bigcalm> I'm struggling to place them
[09:16] <bigcalm> One of them is pointing
[09:21] <directhex> bigcalm, where's sen? i'm lost
[09:22] <directhex> aha, found her
[09:22] <directhex> no idea!
[09:23] <gord> bigcalm, the mouse and the fly? they are the giant heads transmogrified
[09:23] <meet> where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> meet: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> meet: why do you need them?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> !xyproblem
[09:25] <meet> i want to install them on another computer
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> meet: So use the software center!
[09:26] <meet> i got a very slow internet connection. so it takes a lot of time to dowload
[09:27] <meet> so i was planning to install the .deb using synaptic by which i guess only the dependencies will be needed to be downloaded
[09:27] <popey> meet: install squid-deb-proxy on one, and squid-deb-proxy-client on all
[09:27] <popey> it will then cache them
[09:27] <bigcalm> gord: no, the 2 people all in grey and wearing masks
[09:27] <meet> popey i did not get it
[09:28] <popey> meet: did not get what?
[09:28] <meet> "it will then cache them"
[09:28] <gord> oh they drew her twice
[09:28] <bigcalm> gord: Sen is riding Haku
[09:28] <popey> squid-deb-proxy is a package you install on one of your machines, it acts as a proxy server which is autodiscovered by apt / software centre etc
[09:29] <bigcalm> popey: work are going to pay for ram and hard drives :D
[09:29] <popey> on every machine install squid-deb-proxy-client and they will then use the proxy. thats it
[09:29] <popey> when you install apps on any machine it goes through the proxy which stores them and then hands them out to other machines when they ask for them
[09:29] <popey> thus reducing your internet usage
[09:30] <meet> oh. got the general idea. is squid easy to use?
[09:30] <popey> there is no "use"
[09:30] <popey> you just install those packages and forget
[09:30] <popey> the is no additional stuff you need to do at all
[09:30] <meet> because first of all i will have to setup a network between ubuntu and lubuntu(which i am planning to install)
[09:31] <popey> yeah, they need to be on the same network
[09:31] <sw> popey: nice tip!
[09:31]  * sw looks
[09:37] <dwatkins> heh, vmware fusion has an option called 'unity'
[09:39] <boncey> Hello, I have a grub problem with my Ubuntu server (10.04.4 LTS) - each reboot since the last kernel update just goes to the grub prompt
[09:39] <boncey> I've put more details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121008/server-boots-to-grub-prompt-after-reboot
[09:40] <meet> popey i just created a bootable usb for ubuntu. i will test drive ubuntu on a old machine. what all aspects should i check?
[09:43] <boncey> I'm guessing there might be something screwy in my grub.cfg that's telling it not to boot the first kernel list but I can't see what it might be
[09:44] <popey> meet: the things you're likely to use I guess ☺
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hail again. Such happy weather
[09:46] <meet>  popey: :) but any other technical aspects? which might not be visible instantly but may give problems afterwards
[09:46] <popey> meet: pass, just play with it till you break it
[09:46]  * bigcalm pulls his hoody up, despite being in his office
[09:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <dwatkins> bigcalm: wanna swap? I'm sitting between two laptops, so I get hot air blasted into my face
[09:47] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[09:47] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[09:52] <bigcalm> dwatkins: you're alright ta ;)
[09:52] <dwatkins> hmmm, Kwik Fit have taken to calling me to offer me a service and MOT, but I doubt the car needs servicing.
[09:53] <dwatkins> I'm more concerned with my bicycle and whether I can run Ubuntu on it ;)
[09:53] <dwatkins> I'm also trying to run lubuntu, but it's either very slow, or simply isn't responding
[09:55] <boncey> I've been over the config files used to build grub.cfg and they're unchanged from the installed defaults as far as I can tell
[09:59] <dwatkins> boncey: I assume you're using grub2-update or something similar to install the changes. What are the actual symptoms, and can you manually boot the partition? Can you boot the second option?
[09:59] <dwatkins> oh sorry, you said it just goes to the prompt
[10:00] <boncey> dwatkins: I've run sudo update-grub after it boots (several times in fact)
[10:00] <boncey> dwatkins:  I can manually boot using the usual grub commands
[10:03] <dwatkins> boncey: do you have /grub on a separate partition?
[10:03] <dwatkins> sorry, /boot
[10:03] <boncey> dwatkins: Nope, all a single partition
[10:05] <dwatkins> There's an update-grub and an update-grub2, I always wondered if they're different.
[10:07] <boncey> update-grub indicates that it's writing grub.cfg and finds my kernel images so it certainly seems like the right thing
[10:07] <dwatkins> I assume the relevant files then get a new timestamp, too.
[10:08] <boncey> dwatkins: Will check now
[10:08] <boncey> dwatkins: Yes, timestamp of grub.matches from my last attempt yesterday
[10:09] <dwatkins> my machine appears to think it has an msdos partition: set root='(hd1,msdos1)'
[10:11] <dwatkins> aha, my partition ID is 7, NTFS ;)
[10:11] <dwatkins> boncey: how do you get to the console?
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <boncey> dwatkins: I have a remote KVM hookup
[10:11] <boncey> It's in a data centre 100  miles away
[10:12] <dwatkins> boncey: ah ok, not a serial connection, you're essentially seeing what's on the VGA output, or are you using a BMC?
[10:12] <dwatkins> (some BMCs do remote display in software, although it's pretty close to remote VGA forwarding)
[10:19] <directhex> dwatkins, i think in context it means MS-DOS partition table (aka MBR) not the filetype in the partition
[10:20] <boncey> Bah, power cut - did I miss anything?
[10:20] <dwatkins> directhex: makes sense
[10:20] <dwatkins> boncey: I was wondering what kind of BMC or console redirection you're using
[10:21] <dwatkins> (just in case it's relevant to your grub problems)
[10:22] <boncey> dwatkins: It's a remote KVM from a company called Raritan
[10:22] <dwatkins> I *think* lubuntu is still booting, it's been reading from the ISO image for the last hour or so.
[10:22] <boncey> dwatkins: I don't know much more than that
[10:22] <dwatkins> boncey: does it take the physical VGA connector output and process it, or do something internally to the machine?
[10:22] <dwatkins> ah ok, no worries.
[10:23] <oimon> guys, if i click on an icon in the unity launcher, shouldn't it switch view to that window?
[10:23] <dwatkins> boncey: I think it shouldn't make any difference, this is from their website: "any hardware that supports standard PC keyboard and mouse interfaces, and standard PC video (VGA) can be used with Dominion KX II-101."
[10:23] <AlanBell> no, it switches to that "application" which raises all windows of that application whether or not you actually want it to.
[10:24] <oimon> AlanBell, doesn't do either for me
[10:24] <oimon> clicking on pidgin, does nothing
[10:24] <AlanBell> is it minimised?
[10:24] <popey> is it already on screen and visible?
[10:24] <boncey> dwatkins: It's a Dominion KX G1, PDF here if you want to know more: http://kvmswitchdirect.co.uk/PDFs/DKX-0H-E.pdf
[10:24] <oimon> no, AlanBell
[10:24] <oimon> no popey
[10:24] <oimon> on another workspace
[10:25] <popey> do you have any pidgin windows on this workspace?
[10:26] <dwatkins> boncey: yeah, looks like it takes the VGA signal and compresses it over IP
[10:26] <mungojerry> hmm seems to be a serious bug
[10:26] <mungojerry> i minimised my windows looking for pidgin other window
[10:27] <dwatkins>  grub ubuntu
[10:27] <dwatkins> oops
[10:27] <mungojerry> then couldn't switch back to xchat
[10:27] <popey> mungojerry: what version of ubuntu?
[10:27] <mungojerry> unity launcher or alt-tab would not display my xchat chatting window
[10:27] <mungojerry> 12.04
[10:27] <popey> have you updated today?
[10:27] <mungojerry> alt-tab would bot choose ubuntu either
[10:28] <mungojerry> popey, woops, i installed from usb, but it seems not to have installed updates during installation
[10:28] <mungojerry> back in a bit :P
[10:29] <mungojerry> silly boy
[10:32] <mungojerry> is there a tweak that enables dodge, or has that code been removed from unity?
[10:32] <popey> the latter
[10:33] <mungojerry> :(
[10:33] <popey> meh
[10:34] <popey> bug 930148 for lengthy bikeshedding
[10:36] <ali1234> far too simple and obvious
[10:38] <ali1234> dodge is actually really pointless
[10:38] <ali1234> just hide it always
[10:39] <mungojerry> many people including myself prefer dodge as their favourite
[10:40] <mungojerry> or intellihide as docky calls it
[10:40] <MooDoo> why are bloomin motorbikes so heavy.grrrr
[10:41] <mungojerry> heavy motorbikes are heavy
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's called an engine
[10:41] <MooDoo> mungojerry: especially when you have to push one for a mile and a bit
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: bloomin thing
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: you want a push bike much lighter :D
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah but that can't go 80 :D
[10:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: you've not seen the ones with surf board sails then have you :D
[10:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: maybe i'll look into that as they don't need petrol, apparently motorbikes do, who knew?
[10:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: Have you thought about a tatoo on your hand that says check petrol?
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: thinking about it
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: more like one that says d*** head
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm pretty sure you missed and a then, "more like one of those days 'a'head" :D
[10:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm a silly, un happy bunny....lol
[10:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: on a plus side (well at least for us) if this is the start of the day and it tends to go down from there I can't wait to find out what happens for the rest of the day
[10:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're a lovely man, what people say about you is so true :p
[10:48] <czajkowski> *grin*
[10:48] <MooDoo> shush czajkowski don't say a word ;)
[10:48] <davmor2> haha
[10:50] <oimon> popey, i think the updates fixed my issue, thanks
[10:50] <popey> np
[10:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski right that's it i'm sulking and not going to oggcamp and buying you a beer
[10:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's fine I don't drink beer :P
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh always the last word.....:p
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: are you going to oggcamp by the way?
[10:53] <bigcalm> Still waiting for accommodation details
[10:54] <czajkowski> bigcalm: patience :)
[10:54] <MooDoo> :D
[10:54] <czajkowski> if you don't know nobody knows so you're safe :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> Hayley and I have a 4 day weekend booked so we can enjoy some of Liverpool as well. Need to make sure we get somewhere nice to stay :)
[10:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: just take you're own box for the doorway and you're set surely?
[10:56] <MooDoo> it's in my diary so that i actually go, i think i owe people beer and it's about time i paid up
[10:56] <czajkowski> I'll just need a translator for the weekend cannot understand that accent
[10:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: no one does, so you'll be ok
[10:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: de Liiiiiiverpooooooooool axcent es grrrrrrrreat, I don't know what's wrong with you :P
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: eh? eh? eh?  you fytin?
[11:01] <JohnRobert> anyone know if the cambridge lug is dead?
[11:01] <JohnRobert> seems pretty dead to me
[11:02] <oimon> woops i ran unity --reset and lost my settings - how to disable the launcher on the 2nd screen?
[11:02] <oimon> ah, fixed it
[11:05] <AlanBell> in the display settings now, it is quite nice
[11:05] <AlanBell> except you can't have it on the right on the right screen which would be nicer
[11:05] <dwatkins> lubuntu runs a lot better with 512 MB compared to 128 MB... who knew? ;)
[11:06] <dwatkins> (I gave up waiting for X to start after 2 hours)
[11:06] <AlanBell> all the code is there to have the launcher on the right, if you have a RTL language then it goes on the right
[11:17] <oimon> OK one more unity question...can i get unity integration for pidgin so that it shows the number of new messages like the thunderbird icon on the launcher?
[11:22] <zleap> hello
[11:22] <sw> oimon: Preferences -> Interface -> System Tray Icon -> Show system tray icon -> 'Always'
[11:23] <sw> oimon: you might need to do '$ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['all']"' after
[11:23] <oimon> sw, thanks but that's not what i meant
[11:23] <oimon> i meant unity launcher integration
[11:24] <oimon> so that it shows the number of received messages actually on top of the pidgin icon on the launcher
[11:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nyo jus' sayin' eh?eh?eh?
[11:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: :)
[11:25] <sw> oimon: '$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jfi/pidgin && sudo apt-get install pidgin-libnotify'
[11:25] <sw> oimon: first result on Google: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-display-unread-pidgin-count-on-unity-launcher/
[12:02] <MooDoo> hi all, can you recommend a decent tablet to get the misses for her birthday not IPAD though
[12:04] <daubers> MooDoo: http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=482&g2_serialNumber=6 <- quite nice
[12:04] <MooDoo> smart ass
[12:05] <boncey> dwatkins: I'm going to try adding a dummy entry to the grub menu (in /etc/grub.d/40_custom) just to see if it's updating the grub.cfg correctly
[12:05] <daubers> MooDoo: These have cool monsters! http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/345626683/antique_stone_tablet.jpg
[12:07] <MooDoo> oh for goodness sake :p
[12:14]  * justso twiddles his thumbs
[12:19] <dwatkins> boncey: good call
[12:19] <boncey> dwatkins: Success! It boots
[12:20] <dwatkins> hooray
[12:20] <boncey> dwatkins: I followed the tip here http://serverfault.com/questions/243343/headless-ubuntu-server-machine-sometimes-stuck-at-grub-menu
[12:20] <boncey> Which seems to be good advice for headless servers anyway
[12:21] <dwatkins> aha, didn't realise it disabled its own timeout
[12:21] <boncey> Yeah, pretty stupid
[12:21] <dwatkins> yeah, I'd prefer my headless machine not to get stuck at grub
[12:22] <boncey> Considering its a server install
[12:22] <boncey> Going to reboot again to be sure
[12:27] <boncey> Yup, problem solved
[12:27] <boncey> Thanks for help and advice, got me thinking in the right areas
[12:31] <AlanBell> MooDoo: I want the transformer prime, but I am waiting for the new version with the high resolution screen
[12:33] <popey> interesting that the new one isn't tegra but omap
[12:34] <dwatkins> boncey: excellent
[12:34] <AlanBell> popey: S4 Krait
[12:34] <AlanBell> is that going to be any good? dual core, but faster than the quad core tegra
[12:36] <popey> oh ☹
[12:37] <AlanBell> is that bad?
[12:38] <popey> *shrug*
[12:38] <popey> I'd be surprised if it was faster than tegra 3
[12:38] <directhex> isn't tegra really backwards? like missing any useful NEON stuff or something?
[12:39] <directhex> because you're meant to use the gpu, not floating point numbers
[12:39] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29
[12:40] <popey> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
[12:40] <popey> says it does have tegra3
[12:40] <AlanBell> comes in two variants, one with tegra3, one with Krait
[12:40] <popey> ah
[12:40] <popey> thats mental
[12:40] <popey> uber fragmentation
[12:41] <popey> choice i susppose is good ⍨
[12:41] <popey> never seen an ipad user ask what SoC is in the device ☺
[12:41] <AlanBell> well it isn't out yet
[12:41] <AlanBell> and most users won't care what SoC is in the device, it will just run Android
[12:42] <AlanBell> I want to put Ubuntu on it obviously
[12:43] <directhex> popey, that's because apple advertise their SoC up front.
[12:43] <directhex> big section on http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/features/
[12:47] <AlanBell> http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/mwc-2012-asus-unveils-the-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t-packs-tegra-3-or-snapdragon-s4-under-a-1920x1200-super-ips-display/
[12:48] <AlanBell> do I care about LTE?
[12:49] <gord> my 1ghz nexus one still seems to get the job done well enough, not convinced by this suping up of cpus in phones
[12:50] <AlanBell> yeah, it is pointless, which is why ubuntu for android is a good idea
[12:50] <AlanBell> the OEMs need a reason to explain why they are sticking quad core CPUs in phones so that you throw away the old and busted and buy the new hotness
[12:52] <AlanBell> not sure I want cellular in a tablet at all really, maybe the tegra3 without LTE is the option to go for if they actually sell them as options (I suspect they will drop one variant)
[12:53] <shauno> I'd love cellular in tablet, if roaming data in the EU wasn't such a *cough*
[12:54] <AlanBell> I am quite happy with wireless tethering to my phone
[13:23] <justso> I'm having difficulty sending files to my windows network ... anyone have ideas what could be wrong ?
[13:24] <justso> I can send from this machine when booted in windows
[13:24] <justso> (being a noob sucks)
[13:28] <dwatkins> 'send' in what sense, justso?
[13:29] <bigcalm> What make of harddrive do people here like and what do you avoid?
[13:29] <justso> I cannot send a file from ubuntu into a windows shared folder which has permissions set to alter or modify contents
[13:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: I like the one that comes in the machine I buy :P
[13:30] <bigcalm> Next!
[13:30] <davmor2> justso: do you see the folder from the Ubuntu box?
[13:31] <bigcalm> This is for a RAID 1
[13:31] <justso> yes I can pull files from the shared folder but not send any back ... I just get "permission denied"
[13:33] <dwatkins> justso: are you logging on as guest or as a user?
[13:33] <justso> as a user
[13:34] <dwatkins> I assume that user has rights both to the share and the relevant directories, justso
[13:35] <justso> ohhh forget it I just tried again and it worked perfectly lol
[13:35] <justso> quirky
[13:47] <justso> I figured it out dwatkins ... it was just a bad filename that windows presumably couldnt handle
[13:48] <justso> thanks for the help
[13:52] <ali1234> hmm
[13:54] <dwatkins> aha I see, justso
[14:29] <bigcalm> Is it possible to move an existing 1 hdd install over to a RAID 1 setup?
[14:31] <popey> kinda
[14:31] <bigcalm> Would I be better off reinstalling once I have the 2 drives?
[14:31] <popey> chuck second disk in, make it a raid 1 with one missing disk, copy over, then add the first disk in as the second disk in the array
[14:31] <popey> probably quicker to reinstall yeah
[14:31] <popey> depends on whats on it
[14:32] <popey> I have done this migration myself
[14:32]  * popey looks for his notes
[14:32] <bigcalm> Current drive is going to be sitting on a shelf as a last choice backup
[14:34] <JohnRobert> has anyone actually got a raspberry pi yet?
[14:34] <oimon> upgraded my work PC to 12.04 today
[14:35] <popey> bigcalm: http://pastebin.com/z5AE8DyR
[14:35] <JohnRobert> does flash video playing fullscreen still allow the screensaver to come on in ubuntu?
[14:35] <popey> pastebinned from my old wiki
[14:35] <JohnRobert> shudder
[14:35] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:36] <popey> JohnRobert: RS have sent out a couple of beta boards
[14:36] <popey> mine isn't due to arrive till next week
[14:36] <JohnRobert> heh
[14:37] <JohnRobert> yeah my brother in law ordered one, then got vexed with the slowness
[14:37] <JohnRobert> I was going to order one but saw there was a 56 day wait or something like that
[14:37] <popey> tempted to order a pandaboard ES and use that to build an ubuntu image (slowly) for raspberry pi
[14:38] <bigcalm> popey: you're right. Might be simpler/easier to do a fresh install :)
[14:38] <bigcalm> Which is fine
[14:38] <JohnRobert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/120896
[14:38] <JohnRobert> :
[14:38] <JohnRobert> :/
[14:38] <JohnRobert> ugh
[14:45] <oimon> any pidgin users in 12.04 experience very slow scrolling?
[14:46] <davmor2> oimon: nope sorry I use empathy and xchat
[14:46] <popey> empathy and irssi here
[14:48] <davmor2> I was tempted to look at empathy for irc as it's improved but during tests I found out that improved mean you didn't cry from pounding your skull against the table so much
[14:48] <oimon> hmm, maybe it's just the general performance of the system after a couple of hours
[14:48] <oimon> nippy when you boot, but gets sluggish later
[14:49] <davmor2> oimon: run top or htop and check out what's using memory
[14:49] <oimon> animations and switching no longer smooth
[14:49] <oimon> cpu and mem are OK
[14:50] <AlanBell> popey: why would the pandaboard ES be the thing to build on?
[14:50] <popey> as opposed to?
[14:50] <AlanBell> the raspberry pi itself, or cross compile from an intel box
[14:51] <popey> pandaboard is easier to get hold of
[14:51] <AlanBell> this may be a daft question
[14:51] <popey> and faster
[14:51] <popey> AIUI
[14:51] <oracology> AlanBell: i don't know much about these things, but i would suspect it would be hella faster to cross-compile on something beefy?
[14:51] <popey> which when compiling a lot of stuff would matter
[14:53] <AlanBell> this is probably a sensible thing to do on amazon EC2
[14:55] <directhex> ikonia, success!
[14:57] <directhex> ikonia, you paid for special delivery on the 7th? it's only shown up today
[15:01] <oimon> hmm global menu fails on dual monitors :-\
[15:01] <popey> fails how?
[15:02] <bigcalm> I should try my laptop with a 2nd monitor
[15:04] <oimon> terminal maximised on screen1 , thunderbird maximised on screen 2, but title bar shows thunderbird on both monitors. so if you want to click to focus, you have to click somewhere in the window which is sometimes undesirable (rahter than the title bar)
[15:05] <oimon> when it shows one window title across 2 screens, it's incorrect
[15:05] <oimon> if you have a maximised app on each screen
[15:08] <oimon> however, in other news, a unity 2d bug has just been fixed #940590 which alows me to revert to gnome classic + 2d launcher - hence no global menu or LH buttons
[15:08] <oimon> bug 940590
[15:39] <diplo> Anyone know the lp command to check to see if a queue exists or not within cups /
[15:39] <diplo> ?
[15:41] <oimon> lpstat -s ?
[15:41] <diplo> just found lpstat -v
[15:41] <diplo> Basically I want to add it to my bash script to check it exists before trying to delete it
[15:41] <diplo> -s lits all it seems
[15:43]  * bigcalm returns with tea and poptarts
[15:44] <diplo> lists*
[15:55] <diplo>  lpstat -v $queuename 2>&1
[15:55] <diplo>   if [[ $? -eq 0 ]]; then
[15:55] <diplo> That'll do :)
[15:57] <bigcalm> then that'll do?
[15:59] <bigcalm> Please stop me from looking at mobile phone reviews
[15:59] <bigcalm> The handset I probably want isn't out yet
[15:59] <diplo> S3?
[15:59] <bigcalm> I will be strong and not just get the htc one x
[15:59] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[15:59] <diplo> heh, I want it but cannot afford it
[16:00] <diplo> So will stay with my woefully underpowered wildfire
[16:00] <bigcalm> How do you know that? It isn't out yet
[16:00] <diplo> Until I either have a large payout or find a rich girlfriend
[16:00] <diplo> Because if it's > £50 I can't afford it!
[16:00] <diplo> If I want my kids to eat etc
[16:00] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:00] <bigcalm> Eating is for chumps!
[16:01] <diplo> I don't eat, kids eat more than me.. why I've lost 5/6 stone :)
[16:01] <bigcalm> I've just spent 347 quid on 2 new tyres. I shouldn't even be looking at new things for a few months yet
[16:01] <bigcalm> Wow
[16:01] <bigcalm> One way to diet
[16:01] <diplo> heh, I need 4 tyres for my car :(
[16:01] <diplo> 2 desperatly, 2 close
[16:02] <bigcalm> Front 2 were 1.6mm and 2mm. I had no choice
[16:04] <diplo> Oooh home time
[16:04] <diplo> Catch you laters
[16:04] <bigcalm> Another hour to go yet, and I'm already at home
[16:04] <bigcalm> There is no escaping work :(
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is ridiculous
[16:10] <bigcalm> Isn't it just?
[16:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: do you know the dimensions for them?
[16:12] <bigcalm> For what?
[16:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: the tyres
[16:13] <bigcalm> I've already spent the money, so little point looking them up :)
[16:13] <bigcalm> 215/55R17
[16:14] <bigcalm> They are large and there's little choice
[16:14] <AlanBell> I need some new tyres, thinking of getting a set of alloy wheels
[16:15]  * popey mentions http://www.stemnorthofscotland.com/events/highland-innovation-event.html
[16:15] <popey> for the scotts
[16:15] <AlanBell> fed up of hub caps
[16:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: there's a reason I'm asking the is a likelihood that the 308sw will have similar sized wheels is what I'm thinking
[16:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: fed up of losing them?
[16:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: oh, I see :)
[16:16] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, I have nasty cheap halfords ones now, the mercedes hub caps were really expensive to replace
[16:18] <bigcalm> Pirelli 306.71 + balancing 10 + disposal 3.29 + wheel alignment 27 + vat
[16:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I've managed to scuff my alloys, doesn't show that much but will be expensive to fix
[16:19] <bigcalm> Hub caps can be replaced
[16:20] <popey> mine are properly scuffed up
[16:20] <popey> i dont care
[16:20] <bigcalm> But alloys are meant to be lighter and thus save you fuel
[16:20] <AlanBell> I am not bothered about scuffs
[16:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: ouch you got charged for balancing and disposal, that'll be the price hike dude, 91.95 each tyre + 18 alignment + vat here and that is at ATS, Martini Tyres would be cheaper still
[16:30] <gordonjcp> I'm just glad I no longer need W-rated tyres
[16:31] <gordonjcp> the price of those resulted in some very non-CoC-compliant language
[16:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: you are looking at different tyres if they are 91.95 each. And this was at ATS as well
[16:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: this is where I'm looking http://shop.atseuromaster.co.uk/eshop/en_GB/searchByTyreByUrl/section/215/aspectRatio/55/rimDiameter/17/xl/false/rf/false
[16:34] <bigcalm> I see
[16:35] <bigcalm> I wouldn't go for budgets myself
[16:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: no but even the Continentals are only 130
[16:35] <popey> hmm, i need to use 11.04 for some hardware
[16:36]  * popey installs dualboot
[16:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: http://shop.atseuromaster.co.uk/eshop/en_GB/products/pirelli/p7/215-55-17-94-W-1-4IB-1261/mode/beforebuyingsequence/currentPosition/16
[16:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: I went with what was in stock when I went this lunch time
[16:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: this is the advantage I have, I can walk over the road to ATS or Martini tyres
[16:39] <bigcalm> Yay, Hayley home!
[16:45] <davmor2> Hayley slap bigcalm
[16:53] <bigcalm> This is one of those times when I'm glad that she isn't on IRC
[16:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah cause tyres are always a fiver right ;)
[17:14] <bigcalm> No, I was referring to you telling her to slap me
[17:17] <directhex> bigcalm, i invested in michelin energy savers. they decrease your mpg on a hybrid... but they're good for 20-30k miles easy
[17:19] <gordonjcp> directhex: they probably do improve your braking distance though
[17:20] <gordonjcp> directhex: the ones that Priuses come with as stock *do* have very low rolling resistance, but are a bit like driving on teflon O-rings
[17:21] <directhex> gordonjcp, they changed the default tyre from when i got it to now
[17:22] <directhex> gordonjcp, fronts haven't been stock for a while though, had a blowout so had to get whatever i could at short notice. yokohama c.drive 2
[17:22] <directhex> well regarded tyre in every area except durability where they get 1/10 ratings
[17:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you know you want it, you know you need it and it save czajkowski stretching to do it ;)
[17:40] <ali1234> freecell - they need to disassemble the code and figure out why only one hand is unwinnable
[17:41] <ali1234> i suspect that if the hands were totally random then most of them would be unwinnable and therefore the game would suck
[17:41] <ali1234> so there must be an algorithm that builds up the hand with reversed legal moves only, at random
[17:42] <ali1234> kind of like how they make sudoku puzzles
[17:42] <ali1234> but that would give 100% winnable
[17:42] <ali1234> so then as an easter egg, programmer put in one unwinnable hand, and then put in that seemingly throw away line in the help, as a joke
[17:51] <popey> hmmm
[17:52] <popey> laptop -> displayport -> hdmi cable -> black magic intensity pro capture card -> http://popey.com/~alan/laptop.tga  (8MB, sorry)
[17:52] <popey> laptop -> Printscreen button -> http://popey.com/~alan/laptop.png
[17:52] <ali1234> -> magical goblins?
[17:52] <popey> note the horrid colour on the tga file
[17:52] <popey> i have switched antialiasing from rgba to greyscale which improves it a bit
[17:53] <popey> but it's all very over saturated
[17:53] <ali1234> yeah that's subpixel antialiasing
[17:53] <ali1234> it does not look over saturated to me
[17:53] <popey> the tga looks brighter
[17:54] <ali1234> the tga looks identical to my desktop
[17:54] <ali1234> except for the fringes
[17:54] <popey> what about the alternate lines of emails?
[17:54] <popey> on the png it's white/grey alternate emails
[17:54] <popey> tga it's all white
[17:54] <ali1234> hmm
[17:55] <popey> i have them both open in image viewer, alt-tabbing between
[17:55] <popey> difference is noticable
[17:55] <ali1234> the png is really blurry
[17:56]  * popey tries again with anti-aliasing turned off competely
[17:56] <popey> rather than greyscale
[17:56] <ali1234> i dont think that is why
[17:56] <ali1234> is that an nvidia machine?
[17:56] <popey> intel
[17:56] <popey> my x220
[17:57] <ali1234> what comes out the HDMI port is not 1:1 what is in the framebuffer
[17:57] <ali1234> nvidia has all kinds of gamma correction controls
[17:57] <ali1234> i bet intel does too
[17:59] <popey> hah, disabling anti-aliasing killed gnome-settings-daemon
[17:59] <ali1234> does that box has linux drivers yet?
[18:00] <popey> the intensity pro?
[18:00] <popey> yes
[18:00] <popey> I installed 11.04 to run their software
[18:00] <ali1234> cool. i better get one then
[18:03] <popey> ali1234: would this mean xorg.conf fiddles? or just xgamma ?
[18:05] <ali1234> on nvidia it means loading up nvidia-settings *shrug*
[18:05] <ali1234> and then everyone wonders why nvidia won't support xorg standards...
[18:15] <dogmatic69> I am using remmina remote desktop to windows vista pc, anyone know how to make the scroll wheel work?
[18:15] <dogmatic69> I think it is bound to scrolling the screen when it is too big or something, but the scree size is good and I would like to scroll the browser / document on the remote pc
[19:07] <ali1234> what happened to the front page of the dash with the 4 big icons?
[19:08] <popey> removed
[19:08] <ali1234> ok. well, i never liked it anyway tbh
[19:08] <ali1234> you know the "wait for search" thing
[19:08] <popey> bug 885738
[19:08] <ali1234> well, now it remembers your last search
[19:09] <ali1234> if you click the bfb and don't type anything you can't immediately press enter
[19:09] <ali1234> and because there is no search to complete, you can't press enter at all
[19:09] <ali1234> is this reported?
[19:09] <popey> not that I'm aware
[19:09] <ali1234> new bug report or tack it on the old one?
[19:10] <ali1234> i'll do a new one
[19:10] <ali1234> this is just with main unity, not the ppa
[19:10] <popey> do you want to press enter because the first icon is what you want?
[19:10] <ali1234> yes
[19:10] <popey> ok
[19:10] <popey> yeah, you have to press down down enter
[19:10] <popey> or mouse
[19:11] <ali1234> istr  "just type the first few letters and press enter, you don't have to wait, it's so easy and fast"
[19:11] <ali1234> what happened to that one?
[19:12] <popey> gimmie an example?
[19:13] <popey> i think i know what you're saying
[19:13] <ali1234> an example?
[19:13] <popey> dash -> ima (image viewer) -> enter
[19:13] <popey> dont wait for search to finish
[19:13] <ali1234> ah
[19:13] <ali1234> no
[19:13] <ali1234> you do dash -> search for program -> wait -> enter (this works)
[19:13] <ali1234> then you do dash -> (search is saved) -> press enter -> nothing happens
[19:13] <bigcalm> If you don't wait, it doesn't load the 1st result :(
[19:14] <ali1234> and in the second part, you can wait as long as you want
[19:14] <ali1234> since it's already cached the search, it never "completes" so enter is blocked forever
[19:14] <popey> oh, i see
[19:14] <popey> yes, you're right
[19:15] <popey> file it I'll confirm it
[19:15] <bigcalm> There are chickens in the castle
[19:15] <popey> uhoh
[19:16] <popey> bigcalm: are you saying same as ali1234 or a different thing?
[19:16] <bigcalm> popey: I came in on part of a convo without reading up :)
[19:16] <popey> heh
[19:17] <bigcalm> In my expereince so far (not on the machine atm though), typing sky[enter] does nothing. I have to wait a moment and then try again
[19:17] <popey> thats fixed
[19:17] <popey> i filed that
[19:17] <popey> just tested and it works
[19:18] <bigcalm> There are dead chickens in the coop, no eggs
[19:18] <popey> i do appreciate these bug discussions!
[19:18] <ali1234> bug 980184
[19:19] <ali1234> feel free to try to explain it better :)
[19:20] <popey> confirmed
[19:21] <popey> i am miles from the castle
[19:21] <popey> need to walk back
[19:23] <czajkowski> I take it this is minecraft and popey isn't lost in woods far away from some remote castle with just his iphone to get him home
[19:28] <gord> i wouldn't put it past popey
[19:34] <directhex> ikonia, ping
[19:40] <joos> hello
[19:46] <justso> I can't seem to adjust the mouse double click time in ubuntu 11.10 ... is this a bug ?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> justso: not even in the accessibility bits?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> justso: also.. in the mouse settings I have a "doubleclick" option (12.04)
[19:49] <justso> in the mouse setting I have set it to be tap.......tap but it still needs to be t,tap in normal use
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> tap? you mean touchpad double click?
[19:51] <justso> yeah
[19:52] <justso> it has to be almost impossibly quick to get it to work
[19:53] <justso> I must be getting old
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> touchpad is on its own tab
[19:54] <justso> ok i will look
[19:57] <justso> nothing for double click timeout in there
[19:57] <sorin_> trebile's bune?
[19:57] <sorin_> mere fain?
[19:58] <justso> I assumed mouse settings would be effective for that
[20:01]  * justso shrugs
[20:01] <ali1234> plesk sucks :(
[20:05] <directhex> computers suck
[20:05] <directhex> i should have become a plumber
[20:06] <justso> hmm double click problem seems to be with reposition or resize windows
[20:07] <justso> I guess I can live with it
[20:51] <daftykins> arsen: i'm in London this weekend
[20:51] <daftykins> :D
[20:51] <daftykins> well, right now :> 'til Sunday afty probly
[20:51] <daftykins> directhex: but you kinda are when you're networking ;)
[20:52] <daftykins> it's just funny water
[20:52] <directhex> snuh?
[20:52] <daftykins> plumbing
[20:56] <arsen> orly
[20:56] <arsen> where at?
[20:56] <arsen> im off to a funeral tomoz :/
[20:56] <daftykins> D:
[20:56] <daftykins> Chelsea Harbour
[20:57] <daftykins> on ze Thames
[20:57] <directhex> daftykins: yeah, but a toilet backed up with shit versus freeswitch randomly dropping packets... easy choice
[20:57] <daftykins> =]
[20:58] <bigcalm> !ohmy | directhex
[20:58] <directhex> oh yeah
[20:58] <bigcalm> :)
[20:58] <gordonjcp> "ohmy" sounds like a rude word in Gaelic
[20:58] <directhex> sorry, flashback to the old days on #hexus.net
[20:58] <gordonjcp> this is funnier than you can possibly imagine
[20:59] <directhex> daftykins and arsen and me
[21:00] <directhex> together in perfect harmony
[21:00] <daftykins> ;]
[21:00] <daftykins> directhex: wish i could say i've improved.. ;)
[21:00] <daftykins> hmm right speaker channel on his home cinema setup r no workeh
[21:00] <daftykins> no wonder, speaker is lacking a pole!
[21:04] <directhex> would have been around the time i was writing guides to debian, so... 2004?
[21:04] <arsen> hi what
[21:04] <daftykins> you know, that really helped me for Uni
[21:04] <arsen> what have i signed up for
[21:05] <arsen> daftykins
[21:05] <arsen> thats where i live
[21:05] <arsen> nub
[21:05] <arsen> :p
[21:05] <daftykins> wut?
[21:05] <daftykins> in the harbour?
[21:06] <daftykins> arsen: i don't follow :P
[21:06] <directhex> daftykins: omg rereading it now. OOo 1.1.1 screenshot ^_^
[21:06] <directhex> daftykins: my writing style is still excellent, even if the content is obsolete :3
[21:08] <daftykins> directhex: hahaha
[21:08] <arsen> harbour or imperial wharf side?
[21:09] <daftykins> arsen: the square looking building directly north of the harbour water
[21:09] <daftykins> if you look at google maps sat view :>
[21:09] <daftykins> that's his pad
[21:09] <daftykins> though i'm lacking in the convenient magnetic card for the front doors atm
[21:09] <daftykins> -in
[21:11] <directhex> hah debian sarge
[21:11] <directhex> a release candidate thereof
[21:12] <daftykins> speaker fixed \o/
[21:15] <arsen> i live at imperial wharf
[21:15] <arsen> sorry, gaming so :P
[21:15] <directhex> BLAST FROM THE PAST http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a2/images/installed12.png
[21:15]  * justso wishes he could fix things
[21:16] <justso> the lottery would be a good start
[21:16] <daftykins> arsen: epic, wandering distance then ^_^
[21:17] <arsen> yes
[21:17] <arsen> errr
[21:17] <arsen> shit
[21:17] <arsen> PICK A BAD NIGHT
[21:17] <daftykins> ah i'm pretty knackered today :> up to much fri/sat?
[21:18] <arsen> at afternoon beers?
[21:18] <arsen> sat*
[21:18] <bigcalm> !ohmy | arsen
[21:18] <lubotu3`> arsen: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
[21:18] <daftykins> arsen: fo sho
[21:18] <daftykins> i vote a pub with ale and pool
[21:19] <directhex> ;o replacing OSS with ALSA? this guide is OLD!
[21:19] <arsen> sorreh, im doing 50 things at once and not paying attn to where im doin ze chattin :)
[21:19] <arsen> yeah, theres ales at the fullers tbh, pool maybe more difficult here- theres MissQ's at earls ct
[21:19] <bigcalm> :)
[21:22] <daftykins> arsen: kewl
[21:26] <daftykins> arsen: PM for mah #
[21:33] <popey> hmm
[22:25] <directhex> i should PLAY A GAME ZOMG
[22:28] <hamitron> directhex, get back to work ;)
[22:29] <directhex> no. i'm sick of work.
[22:29] <hamitron> :-o
[22:29] <hamitron> :/
[22:30] <directhex> staying awake long enough to rip these blu-rays
[22:30] <hamitron> why go to the expense of blu-ray, to just rip them?
[22:30] <hamitron> :|
[22:31]  * hamitron is a cheap ass dvd user
[22:31] <directhex> hamitron: not transcoding. keeping video in original format
[22:31] <hamitron> oh
[22:31] <hamitron> :)
[22:31] <directhex> hamitron: audio i'm tossing away the extra channels in 7.1 since i only have 5.1
[22:31] <hamitron> if ONLY I had that much hdd space
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: new 3T disk arrived today
[22:32] <hamitron> ah
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: old 2T disk failed
[22:32] <hamitron> so "testing" the new one properly? ;)
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: restoring lost data.
[22:32] <hamitron> :/
[22:32] <directhex> takes about 45 mins to rip a movie
[22:32] <hamitron> at least if it wasn't transcoded, less work
[22:32] <directhex> Tron_t00.mkv
[22:33] <hamitron> 1 less step, but you also wouldn't have fitted as much on the broken drive
[22:33] <hamitron> :/
[22:33] <directhex> hamitron: broken drive was mostly full. about 10% free
[22:33] <directhex> lost about 20 music tracks, 2 games, and 2 blu-ray rips
[22:34] <hamitron> that nearly filled 2TB?
[22:34] <hamitron> or just the stuff not backed up?
[22:35] <hamitron> well, have fun
[22:35] <hamitron> :)
[22:35] <hamitron> I gotta sort a mess here, so I can at least remember the colour of the carpet
[22:39] <directhex> hamitron: 200G of doctor who?
[22:39] <hamitron> meh
[22:39] <hamitron> that is starting to annoy me
[22:39] <hamitron> that or my brain is just getting old and tired
[22:41] <directhex> 200G covering doctors 1->7
[23:53] <ging> hamitron: you are talking too much
[23:54] <ging> all i se is your name
[23:54] <ging> oh wait it's mostly smilies
[23:54] <hamitron> me? :|
[23:55] <ging> no the other hamitron
[23:56] <hamitron> well, I'm the real hamitron
[23:56]  * hamitron spanks "the other" hamitron
[23:56] <directhex> *I'M* spartacus
[23:57] <hamitron> :)


[05:33] <ubuser1> can someone help me with a simple classpath issue? i have searched google, sun, javaranch etc....