[02:26] <calc> is there somewhere to reassign package foo bugs?
[02:26] <calc> i have several assigned to openoffice.org, heh
[02:26] <calc> er to package program foo i mean
[02:26] <calc> something like RFP for debian
[02:44] <saivann> bdmurray : Concerning bug 270777, did you try with different artists? Perhaps that the bug you hit is only with a specific filename? Also, if you want, I built latest rhythmbox trunk so you can test it, in my PPA : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/saivann/ubuntu intrepid main
[03:43] <bdmurray> saivann: sweet, I'll test that out
[03:52] <saivann> bdmurray : Thanks :)
[04:49] <calc> oh hell
[04:49] <calc> i think i found something that makes my triaging a pita
[04:49] <calc> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status_upstream=hide_upstream
[04:49] <calc> that hides all bugs that have any kind of upstream status (or seems to)
[04:49] <calc> even if the upstream status is 'invalid'
[04:50] <calc> add to that there is no way to delete an upstream tag in general and it makes triaging bugs competently very hard
[04:59] <Hobbsee> actually, there might be.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> i thought the same about nominations, but it turns out there is
[05:05] <calc> Hobbsee: how is that?
[05:05] <calc> Hobbsee: er how do you delete nominations?
[05:06] <calc> hell even if it was only exposed via api i would write something to let me do that, i have lots of bugs with bad tasks on thm
[05:16] <calc> my wife managed to get on the 'cover' of her favorite online magazine, heh :)
[05:16] <calc> she just sent me the link
[05:21] <Hobbsee> calc: don't remember, but it was mentioned on u-d-a
[05:24] <calc> remember the subject ? :)
[05:24] <calc> i can't seem to find it
[05:25] <calc> oh i think i see it
[05:25] <calc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting#Untargeting%20bugs
[05:26] <calc> you just set it to 'won't fix'
[08:14] <LimCore> how well does kde work in 8.10?  because week before 8.10 come out, most kde was not present, so I wonder is 8.10  amd64  good yet for production server+desktop
[09:28] <Burgundavia> LimCore: #kubuntu might be a better bet to ask that
[11:35] <ben2talk> quiet room :o everyone busy with this one? >>>This theme will not look as intended because the required GTK+ theme engine '' is not installed.
[12:22] <AnAnt> Hello, I think that initrd image (in Intrepid) did not start console-setup script, is there a way I can verify that ? and to which package should I submit a bug report ?
[12:22] <AnAnt> s/did not/does not/
[12:51] <pjbroad> hello, is this the right place to ask about an "Answers" status change?
[12:54] <pjbroad> well, if anyone returns who can edit "Answers" status.  Please can you change Question #49351 to "Needs information".  I pressed the wrong button.  Thanks
[12:56] <rio> any ideas on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/44976?
[12:57] <rio> err wrong link
[12:57] <rio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/274510
[13:00] <azimout> pjboard: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/49351 has been corrected to "info request"
[13:13] <ben2talk> any ideas about theming problems arising from 8.04 to 8.10 upgrading?
[13:13] <xteejx> Hi guys, sorry to be a pain but can someone have a look at bug 287244 please? I've tried giving as much detail on the failed boot as possible and typed up the dump/trace just before the kernel panic. Does anything else need to go onto it, and if so what does it need and how do I go about getting it? I hate Vista...well Microsoft full-stop and am an avid Ubuntu lover and want it on this laptop its not even 2 weeks old it's a shame i
[13:14] <azimout> rio: i've posted a comment to you bug
[13:17] <xteejx> Also how do I go about helping on the bug day on the 4th? Will I need a Ubuntu installation as that's looking unlikely lol Is there any other way I can participate at all?
[13:18] <rio> azimout: i read it, but since theres no hdaps_ec, i think the hdaps module is the one shipped with tp_smapi, but i'm not sure
[13:24] <azimout> xteejx: i pasted a comment in your bug report
[13:25] <xteejx> Question for anyone who can answer...how do I disable Atheros wifi drivers completely during boot-up on the live cd, I believe it might be the main reason my laptop isn't working, its an Atheros AR5007
[13:25] <xteejx> thanks azimout
[13:27] <azimout> rio: i have no experience with thinkpads, this is just what i found through google
[13:28] <xteejx> azimout: Have replied on the bug sorry for the confusion
[13:28] <azimout> it seemed to me that tp_smapi includes the functionality of hdaps
[13:33] <rio> azimout: okay
[13:34] <ben2talk> Question: ubuntu 8.10 liveCD can install themes (with errors) but the installations cannot. What is wrong with the user account?
[13:36] <azimout> ben2talk: please file a bug report under (probably) the package gnome-control-center, describing your problem with as much detail as possible
[13:37] <xteejx> Question: How do I blacklist Atheros AR5007 on bootup on live cd to see if that is the problem with bootup please?
[13:39] <xteejx> i think the module is ath_pci
[13:40] <rrittenhouse> xteejx: I've never done it but maybe add it to /etc/modprobe/blacklist ?
[13:41] <xteejx> rrittenhouse: I doubt I'll be able to do that on a live CD :( My laptop won't boot past the usplash screen I'm not sure how to disable the bugger in kernel boot options on livecd :(
[13:41] <rrittenhouse> oooh.  You don't have it installed on the drive?
[13:45] <xteejx> Nope can't even get to the point where I CAN install it unfortunately it panics 30 seconds after the usplash screen with all them errors, i *think* its the Atheros driver but I don't know how to disable it to see if its the problem
[13:45] <rrittenhouse> have you tried the alternative cd?
[13:46] <xteejx> to be honest yes but i forgot what error it came up with lol
[13:46] <xteejx> it qwasnt the same
[13:47] <rrittenhouse> lol ok.
[13:47] <azimout> xteejx: try with 8.10 final, they moved ath5k to linux-backports-modules
[13:47] <xteejx> similar problem though, but if i remember correctly it couldn't find the cd for some reason and i burned 3 different copies at 3 different speeds
[13:48] <rrittenhouse> Ah. I assumed he was using 8.10 final =/ Oops
[13:48] <azimout> to avoid burning all these cds, try unetbootin and a flash disk
[13:48] <xteejx> 8.10 final? you mean the main available one to download?
[13:48] <rrittenhouse> as of thursday 8.10 came out
[13:48] <azimout> yes, instead of 8.10 beta
[13:48] <rrittenhouse> yeah
[13:48] <xteejx> thats what i'm using - downloaded it yesterday
[13:49] <azimout> ok
[13:49] <xteejx> what about a daily iso would that make a difference?
[13:49] <azimout> on your bug report you were talking about beta
[13:49] <xteejx> yeah i know but i put an update section thing at the bottom explaining it still happens in final
[13:50] <azimout> sorry, just saw it :-$
[13:50] <xteejx> lol :)
[13:50] <xteejx> I know its a bit messed up but i kept trying different things an updating and adding to the botom of it
[13:52] <azimout> you say you found talk about it on other forums. it would help if you pasted the links in the bug in a comment
[13:52] <xteejx> note: I don't have a flash drive to be able to use unetbootin but have about 10 cdr's left so its ok for now
[13:52] <xteejx> sure
[13:53] <xteejx> azimout: done
[13:54] <xteejx> i just found a boot option on that same forum page will try it in a minute: brokenmodules=ath5k
[13:55] <rrittenhouse> I saw that; they were talking about it being for a different distro but it couldnt hurt for you to try it
[13:58] <xteejx> exactly :) will let you know how it goes - fingers crossed
[13:59] <rrittenhouse> ok gl :D
[14:55] <rio> no progess with hdaps :(
[15:21] <xteejx> No luck unfortunately, tried kernel boot options brokenmodules=ath_pci also ath_hal and also blacklist=ath_pci and ath_hal but nothing seems to be working
[15:22] <xteejx> this time though the kernel panic showed a few lines about wake and some other gunf...but still no boot :(
[15:27] <xteejx> bug 287244 : Updated
[15:46] <pwnguin> is there a purpose to marking duplicate bugs invalid?
[16:00] <biki[1]> hi
[16:01] <biki[1]> does anyone know if there is any patch that enables wireless network in 8.10 ?
[16:02] <biki[1]> i mean fixes
[16:04] <biki[1]> ahh fuck that
[16:07] <AnAnt> Hello, I think that initrd image (in Intrepid) does not start console-setup script, is there a way I can verify that ? and to which package should I submit a bug report ?
[16:18] <xteejx> Bug 287244 has been updated and now has a screenshot of the kernel panic error if it helps solve the problem. Thanks guys
[16:21] <xteejx> If any more info is needed or anything needs to be done with the above please let me know and I will try to sort it out ASAP, I'm sick of M$ and want my beloved Ubuntu back :(
[16:38] <xteejx> Can someone have a look at bug 287244 please as I believe it may be due to the same problems shown in bug 278823.
[16:46] <xteejx> Anyone available to take a look at 287244 at all as this isn't just a problem with Ubuntu but almost ALL linux distros and it *seems* to e affecting quite a few people. I'd really appreciate any insight into the problem and am OK with giving any more details that are needed.
[18:23] <savvas> hm.. anyone here?
[18:24] <savvas> I try to link a bug with a debian one: u'Package gip not published in Debian'
[18:25] <savvas> I guess it's a launchpad-edge bug (?)
[18:29] <crimsun> maco: RE 291379, it's still a bug in pa (gconf-side).  pa completely ignores asoundrcs.
[18:30] <crimsun> maco: I.e., it's intentional (by design) that pa completely ignores asoundrcs; the bug is that gconf parsing is still buggered.
[18:32] <AnAnt> Hello, I think that initrd image (in Intrepid) does not start console-setup script, is there a way I can verify that ? and to which package should I submit a bug report ?
[18:52] <xteejx> Question for anyone that can help: What does it mean when I get a kernel panic and it says it isn't syncing and to run the problem through mcelog --ascii and contact my hardware vendor? My laptop isn't even 2 weeks old it can't be a hardware problem.
[18:53] <crimsun> it certainly /can/ be a hardware issue, but I would attempt to reproduce the symptom across a number of different live cds
[18:54] <xteejx> I have managed to do it other 2-3 burns of 8.04 and 8.04.1 and although Intrepid doesn't give the same error message the kernel still panics at the same point it seems : at the ath_pci bit
[18:54] <xteejx> It's all in relation to bug 287244. I still can't seem to get anywhere with it :(
[18:58] <xteejx> It's REALLY frustrating, its the first *REAL* problem I've had, other times at least its booted even on other laptops and things were fixable, but I'm stumped with my OWN laptop - typical - fix other peoples and can't even get my own to work!! lol
[19:02] <savvas> hehe :)
[19:02] <xteejx> Its not funny savvas lol :)
[19:03] <savvas> sorry, wouldn't want to be in your position
[19:03] <xteejx> me neither .... oh well bit late now :P
[19:03] <savvas> but you must admit it is kind of ironic :p
[19:04] <savvas> have you tried with other distributions?
[19:04] <xteejx> yeah it is...the one person that fixes god knows how many M$ machines for mates and does the odd bug-hunt for ubuntu gets lumbered with a £400 laptop that doesn't bloody work lol
[19:04] <xteejx> Yeah other distros exact same problem :(
[19:05] <xteejx> although apparently opensuse 11.0 is *meant* to work but i don't want to waste a dvd on something i won't use
[19:05] <savvas> hm... alternate install?
[19:05] <savvas> ah but wait, kernel panic, should be the same there too
[19:05] <xteejx> yup unfortunately
[19:06] <savvas> can you paste or type the exact error? maybe we can dig up something
[19:06] <xteejx> its all in bug 287244 - there's plenty of output crap on it trust me lol
[19:06] <savvas> woops, I'll have a look
[19:07] <xteejx> lol thx savvas :)
[19:07] <xteejx> brb
[19:23] <savvas> xteejx: have you tried booting the live cd using boot options? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[19:25] <savvas> brokenmodules=ath5k is mentioned in the forum thread you posted at the bug report
[19:26] <savvas> hm.. it might just work
[19:26] <ogra> ath5k is disabled in the final release
[19:26] <ogra> by default
[19:26] <savvas> argh
[19:26] <ogra> a properly working ath5k is in the linux-backports-modules package
[19:27] <ogra> well .... s/properly/more proper/
[19:27] <savvas> brokenmodules=ath_pci then? heh
[19:27] <xteejx> back
[19:28] <xteejx> savvas: I can try it I suppose, which one intrepid or hardy.1?
[19:28] <ogra> ath_pci should work
[19:28] <savvas> xteejx: intrepid
[19:28] <xteejx> Its my bug guys so if you want me to try something I'm open to suggestions
[19:29] <savvas> ogra: is ath9k also disabled by default?
[19:29] <xteejx> savvas: OK will reboot now and try it with brokenmodules=ath_pci removing splash and quiet
[19:29] <ogra> savvas, nope, that should work better than madwifi
[19:29] <savvas> go go go :)
[19:29] <xteejx> can I not use a wildcard like brokenmodules=ath* ?
[19:29] <ogra> for ath5k cards madwifi should work fine
[19:29] <ogra> (i.e. ath_pci)
[19:30] <xteejx> trying it now brb guys :) and ps thanks a LOT for helping :)
[19:37] <savvas> imagine now "everything works, but I have no internet" hehe
[19:50] <xteejx> Hey guys, tried kernel boot option brokenmodules=ath_pci still no luck
[19:50] <xteejx> Will update bug report with photo of the error
[19:52] <savvas> darn
[19:52] <xteejx> Bug 287244 updated to show the above for those that were helping
[19:52] <xteejx> savvas: I know.
[19:54] <xteejx> There's a photo of the new error on the bug report if it helps?
[19:58] <savvas> xteejx: brb
[19:58] <xteejx> Any ideas or suggestions?
[19:58] <xteejx> savvas: Sure :)
[19:58] <angusthefuzz> xteejx: can you disable the hardware in the bios?
[19:59] <xteejx> Unfortuantely not its an HP/Compaq laptop, they like to lock BIOS options out for the regular 'dumb' users lol
[19:59] <angusthefuzz> xteejx: can you destroy the hardware with a soldering iron?
[20:00] <savvas> lol
[20:00] <xteejx> lol if you buy me a new laptop sure :) lol
[20:00] <savvas> hm..
[20:00] <savvas> xteejx: do you know your bios version?
[20:00] <xteejx> errrrrrrrrrrrrr................
[20:01] <xteejx> nope - doubt a bios update will make a difference...and laptop is just 2 weeks old - HP like to lock out every option anyway
[20:02] <angusthefuzz> xteejx: does the laptop have a hardware switch?
[20:02] <savvas> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7051&postcount=13
[20:02] <xteejx> as in??
[20:02] <CarlFK1> I have an Atheros AR242x  (is it really X, or does no one know exactly what the 4th digit is?  hp.com just says "802.11b/g WLAN"
[20:03] <xteejx> it means AR242 series the nunber at end probably doesnt make a difference as the one series will all use same driver
[20:04] <CarlFK1> xteejx: I can believe that, but still wondering what exact card I have
[20:04] <xteejx> That forum post - the guy has different laptop mine is a CQ50-110EM
[20:04] <xteejx> have you tried lspci ?
[20:04] <CarlFK1> lspci =  AR242x
[20:04] <xteejx> oops :)
[20:05] <xteejx> CarlFK1: What does Vista report it as? Should show in that unless you formatted completely
[20:06] <CarlFK1> it's dual boot, but I am not sure I have ever gone though the 'welcome do vista' stuff
[20:07] <CarlFK1> lspci -n 168c:001c
[20:07] <xteejx> ahh that helps
[20:07] <xteejx> let me google it hehe
[20:08] <xteejx> Apparently Carl it comes under the AR5006 series not 242x
[20:08] <xteejx> let me guess....driver problems?
[20:08] <CarlFK1> yep
[20:09] <angusthefuzz> xteejx: can you boot without pci?  pci=off
[20:09] <savvas> xteejx: have you tried nosata option?
[20:09] <CarlFK1> [  123.251121] wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[20:09] <xteejx> no pci? will that be safe with AC power etc? and nosata?
[20:10] <savvas> xteejx: looks like you'll have to play a bit with the bootoptions from the wiki link
[20:10] <xteejx> what will it install to if there's no hard drive lol
[20:10] <savvas> xteejx: correct, but at least then we'll know where the problem is
[20:10] <xteejx> what link is that savvas?
[20:10] <savvas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[20:10] <xteejx> wicked!! :)
[20:10] <xteejx> I'll write every single one down and reboot about 50 times narrow the bugger down lol
[20:11] <savvas> cool :)
[20:11] <savvas> oh..
[20:11] <savvas> try this one too: skipsata
[20:11] <savvas> I don't know if it works, just suggesting from a google search :p
[20:12] <xteejx> Carl: In regards to your problem you may want to have a look on Launchpad.net there's quite a few problems with the madwifi drivers and atheros cards - I'm in the same category it seems, if you cant find anything file a bug report if you haven't already but good luck!!
[20:12] <xteejx> lol OK savvas cool mate I'll try all that at least 1 is bound to work :)
[20:16] <savvas> hope so!
[20:18] <xteejx> here goes.... ps thank you again!!!!
[20:19] <ogra> err, why didnt he just uninstall linux-restricted-modules ?
[20:20] <savvas> he couldn't boot to a live cd ogra :)
[20:20] <ogra> ah, right
[20:20] <savvas> one cup of coffee coming up!
[20:20] <ogra> well, he could used knoppix, chrooted into his install and uninstall it that way
[20:21] <ogra> or any other liveCD that doesnt use madwifi
[20:21] <ogra> or the hardy liveCD if that worked
[20:21] <savvas> if it is the wifi
[20:22] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19196482/C%3A\Users\Teej\Desktop\DSC01194.JPG
[20:22] <ogra> well, the opps is ath_pci apparently
[20:31] <CarlFK1> ogra: should I install linux-backports-modules?   I have Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg - dmesg:  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[20:34] <CarlFK1> is there any reason I shuouldn't try it?
[20:34] <ogra> CarlFK, try it out ... its only an apt-get to remove it gain if it doesnt work
[20:34] <CarlFK1> heh - E: Couldn't find package linux-backports-modules
[20:35] <CarlFK1> intrepid-backports ....
[20:37] <ogra> if he would have stayed a minute longer i could have told him to look for linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[20:37] <ogra> if he would have stayed a minute longer i could have told him to look for linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[20:37] <ogra> :P
[20:37] <ogra> or linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic
[20:39] <CarlFK1> got it
[20:39] <CarlFK1> thanks
[20:42] <savvas> grr I just had a memory blackout, I forgot what I wanted to recommend! :P
[20:43] <CarlFK1> ill be off for a few hours - if it has to do with me, tell CarlFK :)
[20:44] <CarlFK1> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic - thanks all
[20:52] <asac> anyone wants to help a bit on NM or firefox New bug processing?
[20:52] <asac> :)
[20:52] <asac> i can write you python scripts for the most common cases :-P
[20:52] <savvas> er.. I have network manager bug :p
[20:53] <asac> savvas: triage 20 new bugs and i will look ;)
[20:53] <asac> :-P
[20:53] <asac> there are only 257 New bugs ;)
[20:53] <savvas> yoinks
[20:53] <asac> so i just need 10 folks processing 20 :)
[20:54] <savvas> I'll try and have a look right now :)
[20:54] <asac> firefox has 630 NEW ;)
[20:54] <savvas> no thanks haha
[20:54] <ogra> asac, what drives you to work on a sat. evening ?
[20:54] <savvas> you need minions for that :)
[20:54] <asac> ogra: bugpain
[20:54] <asac> ogra: i am trying to reach 20k ;)
[20:54] <ogra> poor guy
[20:55] <asac> ogra: i want to clear this mess in the next weeks
[20:55] <asac> and then officially resign
[20:55] <ogra> resign ?!?
[20:55] <asac> ogra: resign from bug processing ;)
[20:55] <ogra> ah
[20:55] <ogra> phew
[20:56] <ogra> you just shocked me
[20:56] <asac> i actually already resigned 3 month ago
[20:56] <asac> and now all is lost ;)
[20:56] <asac> or 6 month ago?
[20:56] <asac> i cant remember when i tried to seriously process bugs
[20:56] <asac> except the last 2 weeks
[20:56] <ogra> libflassupport ago :)
[20:57] <asac> ogra: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma.png ;)
[20:57] <ogra> geez
[20:57] <asac> ogra: those 5k is only hard bug work ... really :)
[20:57] <asac> but the bug count didnt change considerably
[20:58] <asac> i think i got ffox down from 1500 to 1200 open bugs ;) ... and NM from 600+ to 450
[20:58] <ogra> still a lot
[20:58] <asac> 21:57 < asac> but the bug count didnt change considerably
[20:58] <asac> ^^
[20:58] <asac> ;)
[20:59] <asac> thats why i will resign ;)
[20:59] <asac> QA should do that
[20:59] <asac> only look at triaged bugs
[20:59] <asac> that would be a joy
[21:00] <asac> ogra: the point is that launchpad is completely unusable for packages with more than lets say 500+ bugs
[21:00] <ogra> yeah
[21:00] <asac> ogra: you wont find duplicates even though you know exactly that you read more than one buga bout that
[21:01] <ogra> is bugzilla better for that ?
[21:01] <asac> ogra: well. it allows you to categorize bugs by component
[21:02] <asac> so when you know where to search you will find it
[21:02] <asac> also most components still have a comprehensible bug list
[21:02] <asac> (event though they might be 500+ each)
[21:02] <asac> and you can search full text on everything
[21:02] <asac> and assemble your own boolean searches
[21:02] <asac> so yeah
[21:02] <asac> i think so
[21:02] <ogra> hrm
[21:03] <asac> i think i would need to split up firefox in modules
[21:03] <asac> and reassign them so each component has a tiny bug list
[21:03] <asac> thats why gnome works so much better
[21:03] <asac> except than a few big bug packages
[21:03] <ogra> yup
[21:03] <asac> its easy to move bugs to the right package and there you will easily see dupes
[21:03] <ogra> yeah, gpm is one
[21:03] <asac> and also those crashes
[21:04] <asac> i cannot even search for "-apport-crash" tag
[21:04] <asac> that would allow me to just ignore them ;)
[21:05] <asac> ogra: i think gpm is similar to NM ... lots of bugs from unqualified reporters that have no clue what their bug is and post to whatever they think is their bug
[21:05] <asac> making it impossible to evaluate anything
[21:05] <ogra> yep
[21:05] <asac> you ask a question ... 2 days later you get an answer from someone completely unrelated ... then you forget to look whether he is the original reporter
[21:05] <asac> and the bug drifts away
[21:05] <ogra> i'm really happy i got rid of it
[21:06] <ogra> same with gss
[21:06] <ogra> you get all the x bugs
[21:06] <asac> ogra: but reassigning to other packages at least givse good karma ;)
[21:06] <ogra> heh, yeah
[21:07] <asac> i think there are currently 4 hot WPA enterprise issues floating in NM bug tracking ... and people cross post like hell ... initial reporters have different issues, but now its just one big mess
[21:07] <ogra> bah
[21:07] <asac> whenever you close a bug someone says, no this isnt fixed ... i still see my problem
[21:08] <asac> "what is your problem?"
[21:08] <asac> "yeah THIS!"
[21:08] <asac> "THIS isnt related, open a new bug"
[21:08] <ogra> sigh
[21:08] <asac> "NO THIS is related, otherwise not so many others would post here"
[21:09] <asac> ... "I see the same too, NM doesnt work anymore"
[21:10] <asac> or
[21:10] <asac> "can you please provide a), b), c)"
[21:10] <asac> -> "I already said that my wireless is not working, this worked well in dapper"
[21:10] <ogra> heh
[21:11]  * savvas hides :p
[21:12] <ogra> have you seen bug 290918 ?
[21:13] <savvas> I wonder if I should open a new bug about network manager not showing the icon in notification area.. it doesn't create any problems, well except from editing connections
[21:14] <asac> ogra: well. at least he is more a technical guy
[21:14] <asac> but yeah ;)
[21:15] <asac> ok off for some relaxing
[21:15]  * ogra goes cooking
[21:16] <savvas> asac: did you come accross any bugs with "No internet connections defined" when nm-applet is run and no icon?
[21:18] <maco> asac: jeez, sounds like you're describing sound bugs
[21:19] <maco> asac: crimsun posted a sort of "everybody out of the pool" comment to one the other day because it had turned into a "something doesn't work with sound" listing every possible symptom from 50 different people bug
[21:20] <maco> he told them he would only respond to the reporter on that bug and that everyone else should file their own bugs
[21:24] <savvas> how do we poke developers to check fixes/workarounds?
[21:25] <savvas> Bug #283316:
[21:25] <savvas> This report is public
[21:25] <savvas> woops
[21:25] <savvas> thanks bot :p
[21:50] <rrittenhouse> Is it a common problem with Totem not converting %3F's in a URL to a '?' ?
[21:57] <xteejx> savvas: No luck, but will update bug report in a minute with all my findings from each of the 15 boot options results lol
[21:58] <savvas> xteejx: ogra suggested using knoppix to try and boot from it, they said it doesn't have madwifi drivers
[21:58] <savvas> or at least that's how I understoof it :p
[21:59] <savvas> *understood
[21:59] <xteejx> Oh right? To prove that its the madwifi drivers that are causing the problem? I don't plan to use Knoppi as a replacement for Ubuntu though, and surely I'll still have the same problem if I try to install Ubuntu?
[22:05] <savvas> no idea seriously, but you can install ubuntu from there
[22:05] <savvas> using chroot (no idea heh)
[22:09] <xteejx> ermmmm lol ok well i'm downloading knoppix now we'll see how it goes if my laptop doesn't blow up spontaneously lol :)
[22:09] <savvas> xteejx: what I'm afraid is that even if you manage to install it, you'll have to remove ubuntu's linux-restricted-modules package
[22:09] <savvas> (before booting in the installed kernel that is)
[22:09] <xteejx> shit won't that remove a lot of other drivers like nvidia drivers etc?
[22:10] <savvas> bingo :p
[22:10] <xteejx> excuse the language sorry am forgetting where i am :)
[22:10] <savvas> that is, i think so
[22:10] <xteejx> hmmmm not the greatest scenario...
[22:11] <savvas> if you manage to install ubuntu, the new DKMS the kernel uses can install the driver from nvidia-177-kernel-source
[22:11] <xteejx> is there any forum or something i can use as a reference for how to install ubuntu from chroot within knoppix?
[22:11] <xteejx> ermmmmm ok now your losing me savvas lol
[22:12] <savvas> I'm definitely not the person to ask about this :)
[22:12] <savvas> try at www.ubuntuforums.org or at http://answers.launchpad.net - maybe someone has attempted this
[22:12] <xteejx> lol its kool i appreciate the help as it is to be honest - more info on the bug report is normally a good thing right?
[22:12] <xteejx> I'll try that :)
[22:13] <savvas> oh, if you manage to boot from knoppix
[22:13] <savvas> post the reply of this command to the bug report: lspci -nnv
[22:13] <savvas> it will give extensive information about your pci devices
[22:14] <xteejx> 2 n's?
[22:14] <xteejx> will do i'm writing all this down anyway :P
[22:16] <savvas> yes :)
[22:19] <xteejx> I still got 30 mins on the Knoppix download anyway but will burn and try it then and stick it on the report, and the lspci -nnv thing with a bit of luck :)
[23:20] <xteejx> ogra: Bug 287244. I downloaded, burned and tried Knoppix as you suggested because of the Madwifi drivers, but it didn't work, I have updated the bug report to show this.
[23:45] <xteejx> savvas: If you're here...tried what you suggested on the report, still nothing :(


[00:00] <hggdh> grindhold, well, it is something. May I suggest you restrict the install to the base system, *then* add in whatever else?
[00:01] <grindhold> xD i am trying fedora to be sure that it has something to do with ubuntu and not with the hardware
[02:11] <kylezoa> Bug #312059 and Bug #312058 needs to be set to wishlist
[02:14] <Hobbsee> and need to actually be against the right package...
[02:47] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hi
[02:47] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: I was just wondering how busy you are
[13:12] <MrKanister> Hi. Here is a weird bug (bug #246189). Have a look at the last comment
[13:13] <MrKanister> I wonder if that one can be closed, because the reporter seems happy with his workaround and doesn't want to do much about it being discussed upstream
[13:16] <persia> No, closing it isn't right.
[13:17] <persia> I've seen similar behaviour with a mostly unsupported card reader device.
[13:17] <persia> More than anything, it needs someone with the hardware to confirm or fail-to-confirm.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> the 2 flash drives i have work fine in nautilus
[13:17] <persia> If it can be shown not to be a bug, then it's worth invalidating, but not just because nobody is looking at it now: that just hides problems.
[13:18] <persia> gnomefreak, Yes, but those are both removable controllers.
[13:18] <persia> The trick is having removable storage with a non-removable controller.  This tends to be confusing.
[13:18] <gnomefreak> looking before i leave for work
[13:22] <MrKanister> persia: Ok, thanks.
[13:30] <gnomefreak> it really needs upstream bug but snice atm ken is only one to see this and he refuses to help with the bug we really need someone to reproduce it, close it if noone in 30-60 days would be my idea
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Need a little help with bug 311759
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Do I send him to the magazine, advise to download the live cd, or ???
[17:23] <kylezoa> bug 312090 send over to wishlist please
[18:14] <zirpu> anyone here use FAI with ubuntu hardy?
[18:59] <LaserJock> is there a particular reason to make apport bugs have Medium importance automatically (i.e. before any triage or anything has been done)
[18:59] <LaserJock> ?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> LaserJock: what's the bug?
[18:59] <LaserJock> all of them :-)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> is there any activity to change them?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> all???
[18:59] <BUGabundo> haven't seem that yet
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Medium is used as normal.
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and I report most of my bugs via apport
[19:00] <charlie-tca> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[19:00] <LaserJock> BUGabundo: I guess it's only crasher bugs
[19:00] <BUGabundo> strange
[19:00] <LaserJock> charlie-tca: I don't think Medium is normal, rather Low, and I'm not sure why it should be set automatically
[19:00] <BUGabundo> still I'm used to see then as low
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Normally they have moderate impact on a core application
[19:01] <LaserJock> I end up with a lot of Medium New bugs, which is odd to me as nobody has even looked at them
[19:02] <LaserJock> I would think that there shouldn't be any New bugs with any status other than Undecided
[19:02] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that, LaserJock
[19:03] <charlie-tca> And, some of the teams even state that in their triaging procedures
[19:05] <LaserJock> right now 38% of my Medium bugs are New
[19:05] <charlie-tca> And i bet many of those are apport generated, too.
[19:06] <LaserJock> 0% of my Low bugs are New
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Bug-control sets importance except apport crash
[19:08] <LaserJock> hmm, 47% of my Wishlist are New though
[19:08] <LaserJock> I guess that would indicate poor triaging perhaps or more "meh, not important" attitude :-)
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Can the reporter set Wishlist?
[19:08] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I think they can, before hitting send on the report.
[19:09] <LaserJock> I rarely run into something I can't do so I have a hard time knowing what the permissions are
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know that one. I don´t look when I report, so I am not tempted to set it
[19:11] <BUGabundo> AFAIK reporter can't set wishlist
[19:13] <LaserJock> I don't see any real harm in having anybody being able to set "normal" or below
[19:14] <BUGabundo> humm LaserJock some BAD user could lower all your bugs then!
[19:14] <LaserJock> so?
[19:14] <LaserJock> going around assuming everybody is BAD just makes it harder to get GOOD done :-)
[19:15] <LaserJock> Debian has no ACLs that I'm aware of on their bug tracker and while they get a fair amount of spam I've rarely seen bad problems
[19:17]  * charlie-tca agrees with LaserJock. Assume they will do good, most people will!
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hehhehe
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hey don't let me stop you!
[19:18] <LaserJock> well, how many times a day does this channel get request for somebody to set Importance or Triaged?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> I don´t know the answer to that.
[19:19] <BUGabundo> humm way to many?
[19:19] <BUGabundo> but all wikis say that!
[19:19] <LaserJock> seems like quite a bit from what little I hang out in here
[19:19] <BUGabundo> to come here, post, and wait
[19:20] <LaserJock> so is it worth all the hassle of having to set Status/Importance for people when 99.9% of the time it's just fine?
[19:21] <LaserJock> if somebody mis-triages and sets Triaged too early what's the worst that's going to happen? a dev kicks it back
[19:24] <BUGabundo> since we are asking, can some one update the uptream bug id fof https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/311521
[19:24] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> already sent it upstream
[19:25] <BUGabundo> but jonathan opend the upstream task, and I cant update it
[19:25] <BUGabundo> found it
[19:25] <BUGabundo> thanks anyway
[19:26] <BUGabundo> how does LP automagicly know about it???
[19:26] <BUGabundo> I just submited it! strange 8)
[19:27] <LaserJock> does "Won't Fix" count as closing a bug? I assume so
[19:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:27] <yuriy> sure, but what does "closing a bug" mean?
[19:27] <LaserJock> i.e. doesn't show up in default bug searches, is a "terminal" status, etc.
[19:28] <BUGabundo> brb dinner
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Means the developer is done with it
[19:28] <charlie-tca> too
[19:29]  * LaserJock wants to be done with it ;-)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> :-)
[19:45]  * LaserJock goes on a mass Won't Fix spree :-)
[20:59] <BUGabundo> back from dinner
[21:09] <portrman> bdmurray - ping?
[21:21] <Elwell> evening all - contemplating spending some (non) free time triaging - someone care to convince me either way?
[21:22] <portrman> does anyone know Brian Murray here?
[21:23] <james_w> portrman: yeah, what's up?
[21:24] <portrman> I'm a random stranger, but I had a package deliver to my house that I think belongs to him based on google searches and was trying to get a hold of him
[21:24] <portrman> are you able to get him online so I can confirm with him?
[21:24] <james_w> I assume he is off with his family for the holidays
[21:24] <james_w> sounds quite odd though
[21:25] <james_w> portrman: have you sent him a mail?
[21:25] <portrman> yeah, I know I sound fishy but... I'll give that a try, I saw his work email in the wiki, figured I'd try here first to move things along quicker
[21:25] <portrman> the two phone numbers I found both say out of service
[21:27] <james_w> drop him an email, it's more likely to get a response at this point I expect
[21:27] <portrman> thx
[21:27] <james_w> I assume he will be around from Monday
[21:27] <james_w> he won't be going anywhere, just taking a well-deserved break.
[21:28] <portrman> heh, I know what that is like, I'm on vaca too, not going anyways, just avoiding work .. not that I don't read work email here and there... cheers!
[23:02] <kylezoa> bug 312310 send over to wishlist please, has been posted in brainstorm already


[14:44] <ifsp> Happy friday everyone.
[14:49] <Ubik> yep yep
[14:49]  * Ubik files suit against cyberanger
[15:08] <cyberanger> Happy Friday everyone
[18:27]  * cyberanger hands Ubik monopoly money and considers it settled out of court


[00:17] <daftykins> welp looks like that's gonna be done by 5am ;)
[00:24] <daftykins> diddledan_: http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/635876/resized_chemistry-cat-meme-generator-i-don-t-know-what-i-m-doing-fdisk-84f247.jpg
[00:52] <diddledan> daftykins: fdisk all the things
[00:52] <daftykins> oh i try to
[00:52] <diddledan> daftykins: does anyone ever understand the ramifications of a y or an n answer when fsck throws up errors?
[00:53] <diddledan> like. "I have no idea what you say. just do it."
[00:53] <diddledan> fsck -y /dev/foo
[00:53] <daftykins> i don't think i've ever had to point someone toward fsck, when others have tried - i've asked for the SMART data and found a dead disk instead
[00:54] <daftykins> bad things can happen if they fsck'd a wonky drive :<
[00:54] <diddledan> aye. blows up any corruption
[00:54] <daftykins> 41% verified on this RAID :)
[00:55] <diddledan> \o/
[00:55] <daftykins> that means i've got 40+ TB in the room D:
[00:58] <diddledan> blimey
[01:01] <daftykins> so, the new star trek goes backwards again, eh?
[01:07] <diddledan> I think it's between enterprise and ToS
[01:09] <daftykins> yarr
[01:09] <daftykins> i never did bother watching Enterprise
[01:10] <diddledan> I didn't finish it
[01:11] <daftykins> that good?
[01:12] <daftykins> who names a Beagle Porthos D: also, wow i remembered that
[01:12] <diddledan> lol
[04:12] <mapps> morning
[06:46] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:52] <mapps> hey MooDoo
[07:55] <MooDoo> how you doing mapps
[07:58] <bittin> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/guadec2016 o/
[08:06] <MooDoo> on hold....boooo
[08:32] <gebruiker> has anyone been able to build pf kernel with ubuntu sources?
[08:47] <foobarry> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/microsoft-secure-boot-firmware-snafu-leaks-golden-key/
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> Funny.
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> But not if you own a Volkswagen
[08:48] <foobarry> should be possible for ubuntu on the surface then?
[08:48] <popey> kilogramme is okay as an en_GB translation of kilogram, right?
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> kilogramme is the correct spelling, yes.
[08:49] <TwistedLucidity> Never seen "kilogram" before
[08:49] <popey> thought so, just not written it much
[08:49] <foobarry> they both have the same SI unit, so its safe
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> Huh, every dictionary I can find used "kilogram". But then they are all USAian....
[08:50] <foobarry> wikipedia thinks its ok
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> Ah-ha. Merria-Webster lists it as a "British variant"
[08:53] <popey> good, am translating something to en_GB so will use it then :)
[08:54] <popey> it's funning seeing comments in other languages "Cricket is not popular in brazil!"
[08:55] <ali1234> both are acceptable according to chambers
[08:56] <ali1234> oed wants me to sign up so they can suck it
[08:56] <ali1234> i've never seen kilogramme actually used anywhere
[08:59] <TwistedLucidity> Time to take our language back from these Yankee imperialists!
[09:00] <TwistedLucidity> The fact some of our spellings were due to a fashion for all things French years ago, is totally beside the point.
[09:00] <TwistedLucidity> Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion, I say.
[09:02] <TwistedLucidity> It's be funny to see regional translations. "User is not in sudoers" could be come "Yer naw wan o' the big yins"
[09:03] <ali1234> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QYtHAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA7-PA86&dq=kilogramme&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kilogramme&f=false
[09:03] <ali1234> kilogram is not a US spelling ^
[09:04] <ali1234> or it wasn't in 1843
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:09] <popey> No Man's Sky releases today at 6pm. Sam just pointed out that he's not going to be able to use Family sharing on steam this weekend because I'll be on it all the time :)
[09:09] <foobarry> he's right
[09:09] <foobarry> i'm still on skyrim..maybe i'll get round to NMS if its any good in about 10 yrs
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> popey: NMS runs on Linux?
[09:11] <popey> Sadly not
[09:11] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, forget it then.
[09:11] <popey> but NMS appears to be blocked from Family Sharing :(
[09:11] <popey> https://steamdb.info/app/275850/graphs/
[09:11] <popey> according to that
[09:11] <popey> dunno if that's just because it's not out yet, still beta testers only
[09:11] <popey> might open once released
[09:11] <TwistedLucidity> I have enough games I still need to finish...and movies to watch...and books to read...then there's this pesky thing called "work"
[09:12] <ali1234> bbc.co.uk has 320 kilogrammes and 394 million kilograms
[09:12] <TwistedLucidity> Are they still being sued for patent breach over the "super-formula" for the procedural generation
[09:12] <popey> not aware of that
[09:12] <bittin> first talk at GUADEC has started now https://streaming.media.ccc.de/guadec2016 about flatpak http://flatpak.org
[09:13] <bittin> :)
[09:13] <popey> "No Man's Sky doesn't actually use this "superformula" thing or infringe a patent. This is a non-story... everybody chill "
[09:13] <ali1234> whats the superformula?
[09:13] <TwistedLucidity> Ah...cool. I know someone was trying to flinging a sueball in their direction.
[09:13] <ali1234> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superformula ?
[09:13] <bittin> for you Linux people too watch
[09:13] <bittin> :]
[09:14] <popey> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-21-why-no-mans-sky-fans-are-worried-about-a-patented-superformula
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: A mathematical procedure that makes it easy to procedurally generate models etc. Someone has a patent on it.
[09:14] <ali1234> i guess it is that, since it is patented
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> People who patent pure maths should be taken outside and...well...you can imagine.
[09:14] <ali1234> yeah it is that one ^
[09:15] <ali1234> i might have to use that for something now
[09:15] <foobarry> we could just not sell stuff in America
[09:15] <TwistedLucidity> This kind of stuff affects the EU too
[09:15] <ali1234> bittin: flatpak seems really basic compared to snappy
[09:15] <foobarry> EU don't allow nonsenical alogrithmic or software patents AFAIK
[09:16] <TwistedLucidity> Not quite true from what I recall reading a while back. I agree totally that the intention is to not let it happen, but....
[09:16]  * TwistedLucidity tries to find linky
[09:17] <TwistedLucidity> https://fsfe.org/campaigns/swpat/swpat.en.html under "Current Status"
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> Quote: the European Patents Office (EPO) grants software patents by declaring them as "computer implemented inventions".
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> I'm not sure how TTIP will affect the situation.
[09:19] <foobarry> The European Patent Convention (EPC), Article 52, paragraph 2, excludes from patentability, in particular
[09:19] <foobarry> discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods;
[09:19] <foobarry> aesthetic creations;
[09:19] <foobarry> schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing games or doing business, and programs for computers; [emphasis added]
[09:19] <foobarry> presentations of information.
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Totally agreed. But they weasel around their own rules.
[09:19] <foobarry> "mathematical methods" are algorithms and formulaue
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Software is, to a large degree, just mathematics with pretentions of grandeur.
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> Quite why copyright isn't enough beats me.
[09:22] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure if this has been overturned: http://www.out-law.com/page-9995 (IPO approves software patent for UK)
[09:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy World Elephant Day! 😃  🐘
[09:24]  * TwistedLucidity wonders what kind of magic calendar JamesTait has
[09:25] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, it's called the internet, and it has special celebration days for everything, and it's fabulous! 😁
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> Is there are World Day Day?
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> And a World Day Day Day?
[09:27] <popey> World Mention A Day On IRC Day
[09:27] <popey> That's every day round these parts
[09:29] <popey> alan@homeserver:~$ grep -i JamesTait irclogs/2016/freenode/* | grep -i Happy | grep -ic Day
[09:29] <popey> 97
[09:29] <popey> figured it would be higher than that
[09:29] <JamesTait> Me too.
[09:30] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23048819/
[09:30] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, I bet if you look hard enough, there is somewhere. 😉
[09:31] <ali1234> is anyone else watching the flatpak talk?
[09:32] <JamesTait> No, I didn't know about it, but I probably should be.
[09:32] <foobarry> does anyone with a lwn.,net subscription wish to share https://lwn.net/Articles/696868/ please?
[09:32] <ali1234> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/guadec2016/room1/
[09:33] <ali1234> seems like they are only targeting desktop apps
[09:33] <ali1234> you have to do everything over dbus
[09:33] <JamesTait> Right, that's what I understood.
[09:33] <ali1234> like opening files or urls
[09:34] <ali1234> i think they'll quickly discover that basically no interesting software can work in this model
[09:34] <foobarry> ubuntu uk podcast is now called ubuntu podcast?
[09:35] <MooDoo> yes it's rebranded
[09:35] <MooDoo> http://ubuntupodcast.org/
[09:36] <JamesTait> Thanks, ali1234.
[09:37] <popey> foobarry: yeah, only a few years ago
[09:38] <foobarry> woops. i kind of stopped listening at some point and never got back in the habit
[09:40] <JamesTait> "You can ask PulseAudio to load any DLL from the host and it can do anything."  Does that affect snaps as well?
[09:40] <ali1234> probably
[09:43] <foobarry> got the lwn.net link now.
[09:49] <MooDoo> blast from the past I'm watching - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAFPoiRODM
[10:00] <JamesTait> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23048883/
[10:14] <MooDoo> bloody hell JamesTait lol :D
[10:15] <popey> haha, brilliant
[10:15] <foobarry> taitbot
[10:15] <JamesTait> I suspect there are some duplicates in there where formats changed and/or emoji were added.
[10:16] <foobarry> realised i#m not getting unicode in my screen session
[10:23] <popey> Oh noes 🐧
[10:23] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[10:25] <foobarry> oh i got those
[10:25] <foobarry> not the oh noes one though
[10:28] <popey> that's a cheeky little penguin
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> I've never got to grips with entering unicode on GNU/linux
[10:29] <foobarry> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81923/gnu-screen-doesnt-echo-unicode-characters-correct/81924
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Can use the compose key though, that's a cool feature
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> Reminds me, I need to find out how to force byobu to use tmux rather than screen.
[10:33] <popey> it does by default now
[10:52] <knightwise> hey everyone
[10:56] <popey> hello knightwise
[11:13] <MooDoo> hi knightwise
[11:23] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[11:24] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[11:28] <knightwise> Hows it going dude
[11:33] <knightwise> Hey BigRedS
[11:33] <knightwise> find anything more on that site I showed you ?
[11:39] <BigRedS> Aha, yeah, I've bookmarked it for when I remember the things I'm supposed to be learning about, too :)
[11:46] <knightwise> hahah :) Know what you mean
[11:46] <knightwise> more books to add to the "I should read this somedauy " list
[11:57] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[12:24] <foobarry> got my new watch strap for my f91w
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> does adding a new watch strap to a f91w increase it's value? :-)
[12:27] <foobarry> watch strap is £3 , watch is @£6
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> mind i have seen smartwatches for €20 locally...
[12:29] <foobarry> stil more than 3x the price of the worlds best watch
[12:29]  * popey hugs his f91w
[12:29] <popey> I asked for directions recently, noticed the guy had an f91w, and afterwards I said "hey, nice casio f91w watch!" he looked at me like I was a freak, and got away sharpish
[12:30] <foobarry> lol
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> directions?? do you not have 2-3 gps enabled devices about your person on a average day...?
[12:31] <foobarry> guy had greatness on his wrist without knowing it
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> or realised he was in the presence of a watch geek...
[12:32] <foobarry> i'm no watch geek just a satisfied customer
[12:32] <foobarry> i never wear my £80 rotary any more
[12:32] <popey> we had gps / map, but internet was patchy
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> i like my cheap fitness tracker nuband... but it is annoying to have press the button to read the time...
[12:33] <popey> and when internet goes away, the google maps app conveiently "forgets" the map you had on screen
[12:33] <foobarry> hmm how to get the strap off...
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> i use cycle streets.  a downloadable map pack of uk and ireland.  won't calculate routes offline but full maps are all i need
[12:34] <popey> foobarry: tiny holes in either side of where the strap attaches
[12:34] <foobarry> yeah, tiny pin reqd i think
[12:35] <foobarry> this new strap feels nicer. tempted to change both sides, but i'll prob only change the borken bit
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> video of changing strap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ufbrNYLcc
[12:36] <foobarry> dunnit already :)
[12:38] <Myrtti> I recently swapped the metal strap of my Moto360 to a silicone one
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> using a paperclip... thank goodness i have my https://images.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Fwherebadmovieslive.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F09%2Fmacgyver-paperclip-tool.jpg&u=https://wherebadmovieslive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/macgyver-paperclip-tool.jpg
[12:38] <foobarry> i used a 1.4mm precision screwdriver
[14:12] <daftykins> yay one verified array and xfs mounted fine :>
[14:17] <foobarry> XFS sicks
[14:17] <foobarry> sucks
[14:17] <foobarry> especially when it kills the filesystem on disk failure/full disk
[14:18] <daftykins> been working fine for me for large RAIDs that are just media stores
[14:20] <foobarry> we've had a few go bad
[14:20] <foobarry> and don't use it anymore
[14:20] <foobarry> esp bad on centos 6
[14:20] <daftykins> what do they tend to be, database volumes?
[14:22] <foobarry> data files
[14:22] <foobarry> research data
[14:22] <foobarry> scratch volumes
[14:23] <daftykins> hmm, welp this is ubuntu server 14.04
[14:38] <daftykins> /dev/sdb: Timing cached reads:   4494 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2247.33 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 1396 MB in  3.00 seconds = 465.00 MB/sec
[15:41] <daftykins> Azelphur: hehe had someone teasing you in another channel for not thinking an SSD would benefit games ;)
[15:41] <Azelphur> daftykins: I was right though, beyond loading times it won't do nothing for you
[15:41] <daftykins> not entirely true, there's silence!
[15:42] <daftykins> but you putting together a system in 2016 and neglecting an SSD? crazy talk, sir
[15:57] <daftykins> diddledan: must resist... urge to watch mr.robot s2 before it finishes airing! D:
[16:05] <diddledan> minor news today, our understanding of everything might be wrong: http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/08/researchers-orbit-a-muon-around-an-atom-confirm-physics-is-broken/
[16:06] <daftykins> not the first time that's happened
[16:07] <foobarry> daftykins: realised i'm now ats2ep4
[16:07] <daftykins> of Mr.Robot?
[16:07] <diddledan> e5 is weird
[16:09] <foobarry> se1e0-se2e4 is weird
[16:11] <diddledan> e5 is weirderer
[16:12] <daftykins> i just did a bit of a recap on s1's last ep
[16:13] <foobarry> boo
[16:13] <foobarry> they could make it better
[16:13] <foobarry> a UK series would be quite different
[16:13] <foobarry> and potentially epic
[16:14] <Seeker`> Azelphur: "loading times" can be signficant in some games
[16:15] <Azelphur> Seeker`: true, but not many
[16:15] <diddledan> I think the games designers could improve those if they thought about it a bit
[16:15] <Seeker`> Azelphur: for large values of "not many"
[16:15] <Azelphur> still I haven't done bad, I've got this: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wBjNPs on £300
[16:15] <diddledan> i.e. load enough to get the level loaded at the spawn point and then load the rest in the background
[16:15] <daftykins> Azelphur: still how can you dev and use high end gear and not want SSDs in all the things O_O
[16:15] <foobarry> skyrims surely could preload when you are near somewhere
[16:15] <Azelphur> daftykins: not for me, it's for the gf, she wants one large drive for games
[16:15] <foobarry> maybe other games do
[16:15] <daftykins> right but you have to have an OS too
[16:16] <Azelphur> nobody stores there games on SSD
[16:16] <daftykins> yes they do
[16:16] <daftykins> i have a dedicated one for my game installs
[16:16] <Seeker`> Azelphur: Hi, I'm nobod
[16:16] <Azelphur> well, hardly anybody
[16:16] <Seeker`> y
[16:16] <Azelphur> Seeker`: me too
[16:16] <Azelphur> I have a 1TB SSD
[16:16] <Azelphur> but, baring in mind that cost more than the entire cost of this build...yea
[16:16] <Seeker`> I think by "hardly anybody" you mean "most people"
[16:16] <daftykins> i'd still rather the OS on SSD and the games could be on a large mechanical volume
[16:16] <daftykins> at a minimum
[16:17] <daftykins> Seeker`: +1
[16:17] <Azelphur> Seeker`: I don't think most people install games on an SSD?
[16:17]  * Seeker` has two SSDs, one for OS, one for games
[16:17] <daftykins> i've got an M.2 SSD in my new build with the OS on and the older 512GB SATA for games - then a mechanical for media
[16:17] <Azelphur> daftykins: hehe, but it's already a £300 birthday present, I think that's plenty enough ;)
[16:18] <daftykins> do it once do it right
[16:19] <daftykins> even a budget drive is like £50 or less no? :)
[16:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: I've been following "if (buying) { buy good } else { use what I have }"
[16:19] <Seeker`> Azelphur: Why don't you think most people do?
[16:19] <Seeker`> Out of the total population of the world, probably most people don't
[16:19] <foobarry> which is the good adblocker?
[16:19] <Seeker`> out of the population that, say, buy games from Steam, I suspect most do
[16:19] <Azelphur> Seeker`: it's very expensive
[16:19] <foobarry> i keep forgetting which is best for chrome/firefox
[16:19] <daftykins> foobarry: ublock origin
[16:20] <foobarry> reasons?
[16:20] <daftykins> lightweight and superior to ABP
[16:20] <foobarry> good enough for me :D
[16:20] <daftykins> no whitelisting paid rubbish
[16:20] <foobarry> thats also good reason
[16:20] <foobarry> ok i'll do it
[16:20] <Seeker`> You can get 400GB SSDs for about £100
[16:20] <Azelphur> Seeker`: *shrug* I think 1TB min really for regular gaming
[16:20] <Seeker`> Admittedly they aren't the fastest on the market, tehy still blow spinning discs out of the water
[16:20] <Azelphur> but, I can still buy a decent SSD later
[16:20] <Seeker`> Azelphur: No, 1TB isn't the minimum for regular gaming
[16:21] <daftykins> i don't really see why you would leave tonnes installed at the same time
[16:21] <Seeker`> I've got a 500GB drive, I uninstall games I haven't played in about 6 months, I've still got about 100GB free
[16:21] <Seeker`> That isn't exclusively games either, I've got 100GB+ of video that I need to transcode too
[16:22] <Azelphur> Seeker`: I have 252GB of steam alone, and I don't even have all my games installed.
[16:22] <Seeker`> Why do you need all of your games installed at once?
[16:22] <Azelphur> nor do I game that much
[16:22] <daftykins> right but you'd have to be a little bit silly in your head to keep them all installed
[16:22] <Azelphur> I suppose, game shuffling works
[16:22] <Seeker`> I can download 25GB of data an hour from the steam servers, I can think "I want to play X now" and have it installed in (mostly) minutes
[16:23] <Azelphur> I actually barely have any of my games installed, and I only have the ones installed that I play fairly regularly at current
[16:23] <daftykins> they're only a folder paste away if you keep them on other media, too
[16:23] <daftykins> (for steam)
[16:23] <Seeker`> Gaming more often doesn't mean that you have to have more games installed, it just means that you spend more time gaming
[16:23] <Azelphur> Games I have installed: CS:GO, DiRT Showdown, Distance, Golf with your Friends, Payday 2, Portal (1+2), ShellShock, The Stanley Parable, Tabletop Sim, TF2, Rocket League and Hearthstone
[16:24] <Azelphur> and whoop, there goes 250GB :)
[16:24] <Seeker`> Often, people that spend a lot of time gaming spend most of their time on one game
[16:26] <daftykins> i'm still loving Hitman \o/
[16:26] <daftykins> haven't even moved off the first level still, with 32+ hours of play
[16:26] <Seeker`> I've got WoW, Diablo, Hearthstone, Overwatch, Keep talking and nobody explodes, CS:S, Doom, Factorio, Fallout 4, FF VIII, rFactor2, Rocket League, Sonic & All-stars racing, Stardew Valley, Tomb Raider installed
[16:26] <daftykins> so much to do and see :D
[16:27] <Seeker`> and Battlefield 4
[16:45] <knightwise> Geeky weekend time :)
[16:45] <daftykins> o rly? what do you have planned?
[16:45] <knightwise> Installing Kali on the chromebook while propped on the couch watching old episodes of beverly hills 90210
[16:46] <daftykins> oof
[16:46] <knightwise> my wife loves the show :) She is rewatching all nine seasons
[16:47] <knightwise> Playing around with a 125 euro laptop SSH'd into a 40 euro raspberry pi to use a 20 year old chat program has something ... Cyberpunky
[16:47] <daftykins> i'm not familiar, but kali references tend to make me cringe due to the types that would come in #ubuntu lying about running it (when it used to be ubuntu based) and trying to get help cracking wifi or something equally mundane
[16:47] <knightwise> daftykins: I can understand that
[16:48] <daftykins> learning pen testing could be fun though i'm sure :)
[16:48] <knightwise> I would like to use it to quicly enumerate clients networks and stuff
[16:48] <knightwise> Not planning on becoming the next kev mitnick though.
[16:48] <daftykins> :D
[16:58] <knightwise> hmm.. whow .. kde
[16:58] <knightwise> havent done THAT in a while
[17:00] <diddledan> do people still use KDE?
[17:02] <diddledan> I still don't like that qt isn't suitable for app-stores like apple and gplay
[17:02] <diddledan> or rather the open sauce version isn't
[17:03] <diddledan> there's something about the GPL license and the way that you package for those platforms that makes it incompatible :-(
[17:13] <knightwise> deleted the Chroot , trying again with Xfce
[17:49] <m0nkey_> Any idea on the best way to backup a running Ubuntu or Debian system? I was thinking dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -1 - | dd user@host dd of=file.gz
[17:50] <m0nkey_> Or I could use dump.
[17:50] <m0nkey_> This would be easier if I had lvm, because I could snapshot that bad boy then write it to a file.
[17:50] <m0nkey_> Suggestions?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> dd'ing a running system will lead to a dirty filesystem
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> with potentially weird results
[17:51] <m0nkey_> Hey, it worked to swap out for a bigger drive :) But I did stop all services prior.
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> xD
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> I'd rsync everything over
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> then re-rsync just before turning off the old one :)
[17:53] <m0nkey_> Rsync could world, but I've got so much customisation, I don't remember half of the things I did. :D
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> just rsync everything on the / filesystem (and other "actual" filesystems)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> you'll then have a copy of the machine
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> then the second rsync run is to see what changed since the last one
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> and you can test the new one
[17:54] <m0nkey_> Don't have the pleasure of a second machine right now.
[17:54] <m0nkey_> I could just get another drive, create a LVM, dd the partitions over, then I have the ability to snapshot.
[17:55] <m0nkey_> Which would mean I'd have a frozen in time point to actually do a dd to a file.
[17:56] <m0nkey_> I wish ZFS was included in the kernel. Then I could have done a ZFS rootfs :)
[18:02] <daftykins> you and your exotic setups!
[18:02] <daftykins> m0nkey_: this is a good wake up call as to writing notes of your own mods in future
[18:03] <m0nkey_> Heh
[18:03] <daftykins> getting it to work once is such a Linuxy thing to do, but it's totally worthless if it can't be repeated
[18:04] <m0nkey_> All the recent stuff I can re-produce.
[18:04] <m0nkey_> Just all the other junk
[18:04] <daftykins> ;)
[18:04] <m0nkey_> And it'll be nice just to have an image backup.
[18:06] <daftykins> why does it have to be running during the backup?
[18:07] <m0nkey_> It's headless, then I got to get it out of the closet, hook up a keyboard/monitor, who wants that? :-)
[18:07] <daftykins> ah so the typical case of wanting to avoid some real work :)
[18:07] <m0nkey_> The lazy IT guy approach. Yes.
[18:08]  * daftykins has no sympathy
[18:08] <m0nkey_> :)
[18:09] <daftykins> yay clonezilla, etc.
[18:10] <m0nkey_> I could do that. But I'd like to schedule this, back it up like 2-3 times a month
[18:10] <m0nkey_> Automation :D
[18:11] <daftykins> mmm good luck with that
[18:14] <diddledan> zfs send | ssh moo zfs receive
[18:14] <diddledan> :-p
[18:14] <diddledan> zfs really is a panacea
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> i'd prefer pancakes
[18:15] <diddledan> mmm, pancakes
[18:15] <diddledan> with icey cream and maple syrup
[18:17] <m0nkey_> diddledan: ZFS on the rootfs, mmm... I'd totally do that. zfs send/recv .. easy as pie.
[18:18] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmm, pie....
[18:18] <diddledan> m0nkey_: it _might_ be possible with a bit of fiddling of the initrd on an ubuntu system
[18:19] <diddledan> or, yannow, freebsd it :-p
[18:19] <diddledan> I haven't heard any more news about the ubuntu/bsd crossover project since the initial announcements
[18:27] <m0nkey_> diddledan: I have considered fbsd'ing it. However, I have LUKS encrypted disks for my off-site backups
[18:27] <m0nkey_> I don't think fbsd support LUKS
[18:28] <diddledan> no, I don't think it does. they use geli IIRC
[18:28] <m0nkey_> Yes, it's geli
[18:28] <m0nkey_> Which, I could use. But then I'd need to re-write my backup scripts.
[18:29] <m0nkey_> I list all my disks /dev/disk/by-id in a file to loop though to mount attached drives. I don't think fbsd has the same /dev/disk/by-id
[18:31] <m0nkey_> I suppose if I'm using gpt, I could use /dev/gptid
[18:32] <m0nkey_> but then, I got pam customisation I'd need to port too.
[18:32] <m0nkey_> Heh, maybe I should customise so much? :)
[18:33] <diddledan> there's no /dev/disk/ on my FreeNAS
[18:33] <diddledan> just looking to see if there's anything similar
[18:33] <m0nkey_> Nope, there aint.
[18:36] <m0nkey_> Yeah, migrating to fbsd could be done, won't be easy. pam.d customisations, (log-in notifications, apache pam authentication, etc), drive encryption and backup scripts.
[18:45] <m0nkey_> Anyway, I'm out.  I don't listen fast enough
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> speed of sound is just too slow...
[20:20] <daftykins> faffing with too much here, me and a mate in the US were talking about racing games etc - i found the old colin mcrae rally but it doesn't run very well, no pad support for modern controllers
[20:20] <daftykins> then i found coline mcrae rally 04 which is nice and modern enough for LAN play even - got it running between my desktop and laptop :D
[20:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3q3vpzx042zkjj/cmrally04-2.jpg?dl=0
[20:21] <zmoylan-pi> i was always more into space combaty games...
[20:21] <zmoylan-pi> or gauntlet style top down shooters
[20:37] <diddledan> cute kitty: https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/764198606295343105
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't get much fuzzier than that
[20:55] <diddledan> hosted raspis! https://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2016/08/05/sneak-preview-from-mythic-labs-raspberry-pi-netboot/
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> run out of a phone box with a out of order sign on the outside i presume... it's a huge operation... :-)
[20:57] <daftykins> wow suddenly getting interest in the PCs i'm selling
[20:57] <daftykins> 2 emails in the past few hours
[20:59] <zmoylan-pi> hope they lead to sales
[21:01] <daftykins> hehe, the core 2 quad one nearly did before i realised it was worth more to me to keep after doing it up, than having the £120 i'd listed it for
[21:30] <diddledan> "To anyone looking for a simple, even crude explanation for the Web’s rise, this is it: the ability to view a reasonable facsimile of a naked woman in the privacy of your own home."
[21:30] <diddledan> from: https://www.minnpost.com/business/2016/08/rise-and-fall-gopher-protocol
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> j
[21:40] <daftykins> wb with the usual nick
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, this tablet this nick, computer old usual nick
[21:41] <daftykins> bebetin? :)
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm?
[21:42] <daftykins> nevermind
[22:01] <awilkins> Why are space rocks gay?
[22:01] <awilkins> Oops, wrong channel
[22:01] <awilkins> Clearly they are very delightful though
[22:02] <daftykins> permanently in the sun sir, they must like the heat
[22:02] <daftykins> keeps 'em chirpy
[22:59] <diddledan> By Grabthar's Hammer, By the suns of Warvan, You shall be avenged!
[23:00] <daftykins> hmm BBC Panorama did another proggy on North Korea
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> no more alan rickman... no galaxy quest 2...
[23:11] <diddledan> :-(
[23:11]  * zmoylan-pi shakes fist at 2016
[23:12] <diddledan> I want my money back for this year!
[23:14] <diddledan> so today's new Windows 10 Insider build killed iTunes
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> so... not all bad then...
[23:15] <daftykins> sounds ace
[23:16] <daftykins> i had to repair vmware workstation earlier since the new version went on, minor task though
[23:16] <diddledan> ooh, get you
[23:16] <diddledan> vmware workstation!
[23:17] <daftykins> :P
[23:17] <daftykins> better than oracle break all the things virtualbox
[23:18] <diddledan> hyper-v *cough* ?
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> vmware workstation... an ancient pentium 1 propping up wonky desk... :-)
[23:19] <daftykins> hyper-v is a huge turd
[23:19]  * daftykins holds his arms out wide
[23:19] <daftykins> HUUUUUUUGE
[23:19] <diddledan> ooh, bsod
[23:19] <daftykins> :O
[23:19] <daftykins> best memtest
[23:19]  * daftykins runs
[23:20] <diddledan> wonder how I caused that...?
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> i miss gpf's and uae's sometimes.  bsod's seem bland now
[23:20] <diddledan> I did repair iTunes and reboot..
[23:20] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: but they have faces
[23:20] <diddledan> and again. same code
[23:21] <daftykins> 12.4.3 they're up to now isn't it?
[23:21] <daftykins> why do you even use that :(
[23:21] <diddledan> I think I killed Windows by fixing iTunes
[23:21] <daftykins> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
[23:22] <diddledan> I don't want to use Windows anyway *pouts*
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> well installing itunes replaces a lot of windows anyway
[23:22] <daftykins> do you run insider because you didn't want to pay for a copy of 10? :)
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> i think diddledan runs w10 as they hang out in linux chatroom and is trying to be a rebel... :-P
[23:23] <daftykins> :D
[23:24] <diddledan> lol
[23:24]  * zmoylan-pi once guessed correctly the colour of an engineers tie before they arrived... :-)
[23:24] <diddledan> haha
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> it was red and they worked for i.b.m. good old big blue... and i knew they thought of themselves as a rebel... therefore had to be a red tie... :-)
[23:25] <ali1234> what kind of engineer wears a tie?
[23:26] <diddledan> ali1234 has a good point
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> i.b.m. engineers
[23:26] <diddledan> I thought engineers were jeans wearing
[23:26] <diddledan> maybe even shorts
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> justifies the size of the invoice later
[23:26] <diddledan> often in sandals
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> not any of the i.b.m. engineers i dealt with
[23:27] <diddledan> IBM doesn't employ engineers. they employ suits
[23:27] <daftykins> briefcase carriers
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> shirt, ties and jacket hanging in their car in case it was a formal location like lawyers etc.
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> they usually knew their stuff mind so a few steps ahead of the h.p. engineers i dealt with


[07:57] <dpm> good morning all
[08:26] <andrejz> morning dpm
[08:26] <andrejz> looking forward to the videocast this evening
[08:39] <dpm> hi andrejz, cool :)
[08:51] <andrejz> dpm i have a minor launchpad problem
[08:51] <andrejz> if i go here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/natty/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-main/sl/+translate?show=new_suggestions
[08:51] <andrejz> and try to confirm the new suggestions
[08:51] <andrejz> i always get an oops with (Error ID: OOPS-1853EA326)
[08:51] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1853EA326
[08:52] <andrejz> are you aware of any similar errors?
[08:55] <dpm> andrejz, no, Ißm not aware, but it could perhaps show a bigger problem. Do you mind going to #launchpad and mentioning it? This way developers can have a look at it
[08:56] <andrejz> sure, i first wanted to check if it's somethig know here
[08:58] <dpm> I haven't been seeing OOPses in a while, but it's worth mentioning it if they have started reappearing
[08:58] <andrejz> this is the only one i am aware of currently
[08:58] <andrejz> fortunately :)
[09:01] <dpm> :)
[15:52] <dpm> hey everyone, the next Translations Videocast talking about the translations workflow will start in ~10 minutes, feel free to join in!
[15:58] <andrejz> already there :)
[15:59] <dpm> :)
[16:00] <dpm> allright, let's roll!