[00:34] <ScottK> kklimonda: Probably not terribly hard, but it'd take some time to look at the code differences in python-defaults.  Addtion the ability to build against dh_python2 doesn't scare me since nothting that's not backported would ever use it.
[02:28] <jasono> Hello.
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <micahg> udienz: make sure you forward the patch from fische to Debian, can you also add a request to add a build-dep for that lib as well (I forgot to add it before I sponsored and don't see the point of adding it in Ubuntu now)
[10:47] <udienz> micahg, okay done
[10:47] <micahg> udienz: thansk
[10:47] <micahg> *thanks
[10:53] <gnomefreak> is there anyway of findout out if a nvidia card is supported? apt-cache show used to list the supported cards but no longer does
[10:53] <gnomefreak> s/findout/finding
[10:57]  * gnomefreak checking /usr/share/doc/nvidia-current/README.txt.gz
[12:47] <hyperair> say, my MOTU membership seems to be due to expire pretty soon
[12:47] <hyperair> how do i go about renewing it?
[12:47] <geser> hyperair: click on the button
[12:48] <hyperair> geser: where?
[12:48] <geser> didn't the mail you got have a link for renewal?
[12:48] <hyperair> i just see a 'leave the team' button
[12:48] <hyperair> geser: er no, i only got the uus expiry notification, but i noticed MOTU membership is also expiring
[12:49] <geser> then wait till you get the mail with the expire warning. There is a link for renewal your MOTUship
[12:49] <geser> I don't know a way to renew it before that
[12:49] <hyperair> hmm
[12:50] <hyperair> but it's expiring in two weeks. when am i supposed to receive the notification?
[12:50] <geser> in 1 week (7 day warning)
[12:50] <hyperair> the uus notification says to ping persia or TheMuso
[12:50] <geser> because that's how the team is set up
[12:50] <hyperair> ah okay
[12:50] <geser> uus is going away anyways
[12:51] <hyperair> right
[12:51] <hyperair> ubuntu-sponsors, right?
[12:51] <geser> yes
[12:51] <hyperair> okay
[12:59] <ari-tczew> hyperair: check spambox for mail with the expire warning
[12:59] <hyperair> ari-tczew: nah, it's not there.
[12:59] <hyperair> ari-tczew: like geser said, it's a 7-day before warning. i still have 16 days
[13:00] <ari-tczew> aha ok
[13:36] <highvoltage> good morning
[13:41] <paultag> morgen there highvoltage
[13:41] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: hi, you pinged last night?
[14:58] <alexM> hi everybody, quick question to which I don't expect an elaborate answer:
[14:59] <alexM> Is "packaging" the process you transform an application from source code to something that can be installed?
[14:59] <alexM> I didn't manage to clarify this issue.
[15:01] <highvoltage> hey tumbleweed, I wondered if you were up for reviewing a package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/librecad
[15:01] <highvoltage> if you're busy then np
[15:02] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: sure
[15:51] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: nice, you found a few things I would've missed, thanks!
[15:52] <guspur> good nite all
[15:53] <guspur> i from indonesia
[15:53] <guspur> i fans for ubuntu
[15:53] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: np
[15:56] <highvoltage> hi guspur
[15:57] <guspur> hi highvoltage
[15:57] <guspur> sorry my english is dirty
[15:57] <guspur> i use google translate
[15:58] <guspur> how to begin to develop for ubuntu
[16:02] <highvoltage> guspur: there are many ways to get involved, http://www.ubuntu.com/community has quite a few links that links to even more pages that should tell you everything you'd like to know
[16:03] <guspur> oke thanx brother i hope i can packaging paket for ubuntu
[16:03] <highvoltage> guspur: the best way to start out is probably by getting to know some people who contribute to Ubuntu in your own country. That way you can get some help in your own language/timezone easily which should help you at least get over the initial parts of getting involved
[16:04] <highvoltage> guspur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has lots of information and links for packaging stuff, bookmark it :)
[16:06] <guspur> highvoltage, thx i join in blankon linux indoenesia as documentation division. i like learning to ubuntu
[16:07] <guspur> i is friend mahyudin susanto
[16:08] <guspur> my launcpad is http://launchpad.net/~goesspoerr
[18:23] <scott-work> jdong: do you have a minute to talk about backports ubuntustudio will be working on?
[18:26] <ScottK> scott-work: Probably better to talk to me about it.  jdong isn't that active in backports anymore.
[18:27] <scott-work> ScottK: right, thank you
[18:27] <scott-work> ScottK: i had talked to john a few months back about getting audio applications backported
[18:27] <ScottK> OK.
[18:28] <scott-work> ScottK: a group of ubuntu studio devs would backport them for lucid and would test them in our own ppa
[18:28] <ScottK> OK
[18:28] <scott-work> ScottK: but we would like to get them into the official backport repos
[18:28] <ScottK> Are you backporting from Natty or Maverick?
[18:28] <scott-work> ScottK: from maverick to lucid
[18:29] <scott-work> ScottK: the goals was to keep support for LTS currently
[18:29] <ScottK> scott-work: As long as you test related rdepends that should be fine.
[18:29] <ScottK> Just file bugs againsts lucid-backports and ping me when they are ready for approval.
[18:29] <scott-work> ScottK: our rough plan was to build for lucid, test in ppa, file bug report, post two positive tests, and hopefully the official backport team would push into the repos
[18:30] <scott-work> ScottK: heh, good deal
[18:30] <scott-work> ScottK: and we don't plan on trying to push libraries (like jackd) because that would be ntus
[18:30] <ScottK> Yes.  I just need the test report to say that it builds, installs, and runs.
[18:30] <scott-work> s/ntus/nuts
[18:30] <ScottK> For libraries I insist on a lot of testing and a good reason so good.
[18:31] <scott-work> ScottK:  without assistence i do not believe we have the experience/knowledge to adequately test libraries so i have advocating avoiding them currently
[18:31] <paultag> yeah, libs can break abi very easily
[18:31] <scott-work> hi paultag  :)
[18:31] <ScottK> Fine with me.
[18:31] <paultag> afternoon scott-work, ScottK :)
[18:33] <scott-work> ScottK:  so, now that other issues with natty have been resolved i plan to get back into the backporting groove and you should begin to see bug reports around mid-february
[18:33] <scott-work> thanks :)
[18:33] <ScottK> OK.  Just ping me when you've got something.
[18:51] <scott-work> cjwatson:  can you reply here as my home computer is also logged into this channel and will note your reply
[18:51] <scott-work> cjwatson: if you affirm this i will post my questions, if not i will log into the other channel and then post my question there
[18:53] <cjwatson> 18:46 <cjwatson> scott-work: it's the end of my day so I'm only intermittently around; it would be best if you described the problem such that I can reply asynchronously
[18:54] <scott-work> cjwatson: thank you, trying to work this in before i go into meetings for the afternoon as well
[18:55] <scott-work> cjwatson: the problem appears to be when we updated the ubuntu studio seeds and created some new tasks that the tasks within tasksel got a bit muzzed
[18:55] <scott-work> cjwatson: we should have five (5) selections:  generation, recording, video, graphics, ladspa/lv2/dssi
[18:56] <scott-work> cjwatson: the problem appears that the last task is now parsed into three (3) separate tasks
[18:56] <scott-work> cjwatson:  the intriguing aspect is that we didn't really update that seed very much other than to include "lv2" in the description and remove a few items from the seeds proper
[18:58] <scott-work> cjwatson: i should correct msyelf:  the last task which i called "ladpsa/lv2/dssi" is should really be referred to as "audio-plugins" i believe
[18:59] <cjwatson> scott-work: do you have a screenshot or something demonstrating the problem?
[19:00] <cjwatson> it looks OK to me in the tasksel source
[19:00] <cjwatson> oh, although I can make a guess, it's probably mishandling of the comma-space separator
[19:01] <cjwatson> in fact it probably generates a warning, it's just that nobody sees it :-)
[19:01] <cjwatson>                 if ($desc=~/, /) {
[19:01] <cjwatson>                         warning("task ".$_->{task}." contains a comma in its short description: \"$desc\"");
[19:01] <cjwatson>                 }
[19:01] <cjwatson> I recommend you rephrase the Task-Description line in your audio-plugins seed file to avoid containing commas
[19:01] <cjwatson> e.g. "LADSPA/LV2/DSSI audio plugins"
[19:02] <cjwatson> it probably is basically a tasksel bug though
[19:02] <cjwatson> but that's how to avoid it
[19:10] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: hugs for merging :)
[20:26] <scott-work> cjwatson: thank you!  :)
[20:57] <mdeslaur> geser: did you find someone to review subversion?
[20:58] <geser> not yet, didn't try. Should I look for someone else?
[20:58] <mdeslaur> geser: no, I was about to upload it, but it said "pending", so wasn't sure
[20:58] <mdeslaur> geser: I'll upload it as soon as it finishes building
[20:59] <geser> mdeslaur: I had one problem with a ruby test in my pbuilder but it build fine in my PPA
[20:59] <mdeslaur> ok


[06:55] <didrocks> good morning
[06:55] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:55] <duflu> Time to water the flowers then :)
[06:56] <didrocks> duflu: heh happy to be your trigger to water your flowers :)
[07:04] <jibel> Good morning
[07:10] <duflu> Morning jibel and seb128
[07:10] <duflu> didrocks, that may fail on weekends
[07:11] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:11] <didrocks> duflu: indeed :p
[07:14] <jibel> Hi duflu, didrocks
[07:58] <jbicha> seb128: I think the incomplete poppler transition needs to be handled for the glibc transition
[08:01] <jbicha> I'm not really handling gnome-shell this release cycle :)
[08:02] <duflu> Oh, also morning to jbicha
[08:03] <duflu> or afternoon or evening or...
[08:05] <jbicha> I woke up in the middle of the night, back to sleep :)
[08:09] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:10] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:10] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:13] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[08:14] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:40] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, jibel
[08:40] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:40] <seb128> night jbicha :)
[08:40] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:40] <seb128> how is everyone?
[08:40] <duflu> seb128, it's basically Monday here. So catching up. You?
[08:41] <seb128> I'm ok, still a bit sick and tired, I should stop working late and get some more sleep
[08:41] <seb128> but weeks are too busy atm, I need to assign some of the bugs I put to my todo to others :)
[08:43] <duflu> seb128, on that note I keep hearing about recent discoveries in the glymphatic system. Just another reason to try and get better sleep
[08:44] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:44] <xnox> Good morning desktop =)
[08:44] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1818616
[08:44] <oSoMoN> same as du_flu here, catching up with what everyone who’ve started their week on Monday have been up to
[08:44] <xnox> who wants to troll logind vs gdm3 vs gnome-keyring vs pam ?! =)
[08:45] <seb128> xnox, we fixed that yesterday
[08:45] <seb128> xnox, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/3.31.91-1ubuntu1
[08:45] <xnox> seb128, ah!
[08:45] <seb128> bug #1817128
[08:45] <seb128> xnox, I'm marking it dup, thx
[08:45] <xnox> seb128, well, i should totally upgrade before logging in =)
[08:45] <seb128> :)
[08:45] <xnox> seb128, well done! thank you =)
[08:45] <seb128> yw!
[09:00] <Laney> moin
[09:00] <duflu> Morning Laney and willcooke
[09:01] <willcooke> hi duflu
[09:04] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, willcooke
[09:05] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[10:11] <Laney> moin oSoMoN (sorry for the delay!)
[10:23] <acheronuk> is anyone dealing with why the daily iso is (presumably not passing QA) so latest in 'current' is 26th Feb?
[10:25] <Laney> yep, jibe_l has been looking into that
[10:26] <acheronuk> ok. thanks
[10:30] <seb128> its that partman bug, which is fixed in debian/ubuntu now
[10:30] <seb128> needs an ubiquity rebuild and new iso
[10:32] <Laney> CI was already not promoting before that, did that get fixed?
[10:39] <jibel> no, this bug is shadowing the other issue
[10:44] <Laney> nod, that one should be fixed today at least
[11:06] <acheronuk> right. btw, any russian speakers here?
[11:07] <Laney> xnox or mitya57 AFAIK
[11:09] <acheronuk> I want to confirm this is saying 'Chinese' in Russian https://i.imgur.com/lM4DpnD.png
[11:09] <acheronuk> if it is, then I can mark a bug as a dupe
[11:27] <jibel> acheronuk, according to google translate that's what it says https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0
[11:29] <jibel> no sure how much I trust google translate though
[11:29] <acheronuk> jibel: this is what I was looking at LP: #1818174
[11:30] <acheronuk> I was 95% sure that was a dupe of LP #1817453
[11:30] <acheronuk> i.e. the chinese option is there, just in Russian!
[11:45] <mitya57> acheronuk: your screenshot is not Russian, looks like Bulgarian
[11:46] <mitya57> (everything, not just label for Chinese)
[11:54] <acheronuk> mitya57: ah. I see. Other sections are clearly in Dutch. just not in view on that screenshot
[11:56] <Laney> xnox: can I upload ubiquity?
[11:56] <Laney> I've just done a test install with a new version that's just debian/rules update
[11:57] <Laney> (well, it's actually still in progress but I think it's going to work :>)
[12:00] <Laney> jbicha: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1817900/comments/3, did you mean 3.31.91 of g-s-d? i.e. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/1219c924d74838bec48780a07684257670a44f1e & co
[12:01] <jbicha> yes
[12:02] <Laney> nod
[12:03] <Laney> I guess just Depends: libmutter-4-dev (>= 3.31.91) ought to do it, thanks to B-D-P
[12:04] <Laney> hmm, maybe not, there's no shared library depends there
[12:08] <Laney> gnome-shell Breaks: g-s-d << 3.31.91?
[12:09] <Laney> or the other way round
[12:09]  * Laney is confuse
[12:33] <tjaalton> kenvandine: please test xserver from cosmic-proposed for bug 1754693
[12:53] <Laney> xnox: timeout, doing it
[14:17] <Laney> is the meeting in 12 minutes or 72 minutes?
[14:18] <Laney> I have both on my calendar
[14:18] <seb128> 12
[14:18] <seb128> did we start dst fun?
[14:18] <Laney> guess so
[14:18] <Laney> the Ubuntu Fridge event is wrong here
[14:30] <willcooke> Meeting time!
[14:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-03-05
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar  5 14:30:31 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:31] <jibel> hola o/
[14:31] <Trevinho> o/
[14:31] <didrocks> hey
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <andyrock> o/
[14:31] <seb128> hey
[14:32] <willcooke> jamesh, please can you add your weekly update to: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/monday-4th-march-2019/10020/13
[14:33] <willcooke> ok, I've sent round the tracking rls bugs, so lets look at any new bugs coming in and accept/decline them.  Starting with Bionic
[14:33] <willcooke> 1 new one, which isnt assigned atm
[14:33] <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1812527
[14:34] <willcooke> Daniel tagged it
[14:34] <Trevinho> I had some ideas on fixing this in gjs for some long time
[14:34] <Trevinho> I might get it
[14:35] <seb128> the title says regression, is that a regression from a SRU in bionic?
[14:35] <seb128> if so it probably makes sense to target it
[14:35] <Trevinho> well, I expec to have still a wrong behavior before...
[14:35] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1812527/comments/18
[14:36] <didrocks> seems like it ^
[14:36] <seb128> +1 for targetting and assigning to Trevinho
[14:36] <andyrock> +!
[14:36] <andyrock> +1
[14:36] <willcooke> Looks like quite a few people are seeing it
[14:36] <willcooke> +1 from mee
[14:37] <didrocks> andyrock: invalid cast :p but +1 as android emulator is quite common
[14:37] <willcooke> k, done,.
[14:37] <willcooke> that's it for B.  On to C....
[14:38] <willcooke> list is empty ( \o/ )
[14:38] <willcooke> On to D
[14:38] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:38] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818246
[14:39] <andyrock> I saw it happening in bionic too
[14:39] <andyrock> few days ago in the laptop of my gf
[14:39] <seb128> I would vote -1 to target based on the fact that we only got one report so far
[14:39] <kenvandine> tkamppeter: please look at the NM for bugs
[14:39] <seb128> andyrock, is that your fault/livepatch? ;)
[14:39] <andyrock> seb128: I don't think so :)
[14:39] <didrocks> and I just got it as we speak
[14:40] <willcooke> ha
[14:40] <andyrock> it's happening also with other apps
[14:40] <didrocks> andyrock: do you have an example? Would be easier to reproduce than this one
[14:40] <didrocks> I can have a look if we have an easy reproducer
[14:41] <andyrock> not that I can think of (but it happened to me as well and it was not update-notifier)
[14:41] <willcooke> didrocks, if you can find a reproducer, then we could update the bug and take a look again next time?
[14:41] <didrocks> willcooke: agreed, I'll at least to find a reproducer for next week
[14:41] <willcooke> thanks
[14:42] <seb128> thx didrocks
[14:42] <andyrock> in the mean-time I'll check if my gf has the new update-notifier
[14:42] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1817020
[14:42] <andyrock> fixed upstream (in gnome-shell)
[14:42] <willcooke> Thats still showing in incoming, but sounds like we have a fix
[14:42] <Laney> I just fixed the rest of the bugs in incoming
[14:43] <willcooke> ha
[14:43] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:43] <Laney> the tag is *rls-dd-notfixing*, not "notfixing"
[14:43] <willcooke> that's the end of the list then
[14:43] <willcooke> Not bad.
[14:43] <willcooke> Let's talk about proposed-migrations
[14:43] <willcooke> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:44] <willcooke> Laney, do you want to take us through it?
[14:44] <seb128> no review or -tracking unsassigned?
[14:44] <seb128> of
[14:44] <willcooke> there shouldnt be anything in tracking which is unassigned, right?
[14:45] <Laney> it happens if things get nominated directly
[14:45] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1750197
[14:45] <Laney> should just get assigned to duflu
[14:46] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1795135
[14:46] <Laney> 🤷
[14:46] <didrocks> lalala
[14:46] <Laney> notfixing for our team probably?
[14:46] <xnox> Laney, tah, i was in ubuntu-core lalala land and meeting.
[14:47] <seb128> invalid for xorg-server?
[14:47] <didrocks> Laney: yep
[14:47] <Laney> np
[14:47] <Laney> dunno
[14:47] <Laney> not going to triage it now
[14:47] <willcooke> that xfce one should probably be invalid
[14:47] <seb128> +1 for -notfixing
[14:47] <seb128> seems like it has been fixed/workarounded on the xfce side anyway
[14:48] <Laney> I mean there is a link to an upstream bug there (#30) so not sure, but this isn't the place to look at that
[14:48] <Laney> k
[14:48] <willcooke> yah
[14:48] <willcooke> k, moving back to proposed-migrations
[14:48] <willcooke> Laney, anything you want to raise
[14:48] <seb128> :)
[14:48] <Laney> this week I just tried making cards for things
[14:49] <Laney> https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle?menu=filter&filter=label:proposed-migration
[14:49] <Laney> so there's some that need assigning, don't think we need to discuss anything here tho
[14:49] <willcooke> cool!  thanks Laney
[14:49] <seb128> ah, nice
[14:49] <willcooke> lets work on getting them assigned later seb128
[14:49] <seb128> +1
[14:50] <willcooke> and then finally in this section, let's take a look at errors.u.c and see if there is anything we should be aware of....
[14:50] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1729963
[14:50] <willcooke> oSoMoN is already on the case
[14:51] <willcooke> A private gvfs bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/927340
[14:51] <willcooke> Which dates from 2012
[14:52] <kenvandine> wow, that's old
[14:52] <willcooke> hrm. not sure about that one, 400 something reports.  Probably not too much to worry about there
[14:53] <willcooke> The main one in that list if Plymouth, and thats now fixed.
[14:53] <willcooke> So I dont think there is much to worry about in errors
[14:53] <willcooke> I think thats the end then.
[14:53] <willcooke> Before we move to AOB, anyone got anything to add to that ^
[14:54] <willcooke> well, actually, if you have, lets talk about it afterwards
[14:54] <andyrock> we should probably fix e.u.c :)
[14:54] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:54] <andyrock> i need to refresh the page 10 times to make it display something
[14:54] <andyrock> :(
[14:54] <seb128> (I think we should have someone pre-review the e.u.c list before the meeting and tag rls-nn-incoming bugs)
[14:54] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, willcooke, did you see my e-mails about Trent and Avahi?
[14:54] <willcooke> seb128, +1
[14:54] <Laney> +1 for pre-review
[14:54] <tkamppeter> Seems that we can forget about the good news I presented on the first day in Malta.
[14:55] <willcooke> tkamppeter, I did.  Thats disappointing.  Lets see if he comes back with anything.
[14:55] <tkamppeter> Seems that its now back into Treent's hobby drawer and will not be done, making standard-conforming printing Ubuntu-exclusive.
[14:56] <tkamppeter> willcooke, kenvandine, could we try to ask HR (or Trent's manager) that they move some of his hours to maintainership of Avahi?
[14:56] <Laney> you might want to talk about that outside of the meeting and this channel ...
[14:57] <willcooke> tkamppeter, No, that's not appropriate.  Lets talk about it later
[14:57] <tkamppeter> Or at least can someone of you chase him somehow?
[14:57] <willcooke> any more AOB?
[14:57] <seb128> not from me
[14:57] <didrocks> nope
[14:58] <willcooke> ok, then we will wrap here
[14:58] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  5 14:58:12 2019 UTC.
[14:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-03-05-14.30.moin.txt
[14:58] <willcooke> thanks all
[14:58] <andyrock> thx
[14:58] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:58] <didrocks> thx
[14:58] <seb128> thx
[14:58] <Laney> an administrative reminder, when rls tagging bugs you need to remove rls-NN-incoming otherwise they stay on that list
[14:58] <Laney> thx for the meeting
[14:58] <Laney> less than half an hour is always a win
[14:58] <seb128> :)
[14:59] <seb128> thx for the reminder, I keep forgetting about untagging
[14:59] <Laney> the reports could probably be improved to make the other criteria win over incoming so that's not necessary
[14:59] <seb128> I should look at fixing the script to make it skip the tag if there is a matching target accepted
[14:59] <seb128> :)
[14:59] <Laney> but until that happens, need to remember
[14:59] <seb128> right
[14:59]  * seb128 adds a note to backlog
[15:02] <seb128> kenvandine, can you ask Robert to update bug #1817223 and make sure it's tracked? gnome-software new serie is blocked in proposed until that's sorted out, https://github.com/hughsie/libxmlb/pull/15 got merged upstream but that needs to land in an update and also he hinted that appstream-glib needs work as well
[15:02] <gitbot> hughsie issue (Pull request) 15 in libxmlb "Allow nesting XbBuilderSource content type handlers" [Enhancement, Closed]
[15:02] <Laney> ah didn't we convert that to an rls bug last week?
[15:03] <kenvandine> will do
[15:35] <seb128> Laney, unsure why it didn't work, maybe launchpad timeouted or something, properly targetted now
[15:36] <Laney> nice one
[15:36] <seb128> thx for pointing it out
[15:40]  * Laney goes for a super late lunch
[15:40] <willcooke> 19.10 board here:  https://trello.com/b/uEut6bfN/ubuntu-desktop-1910
[15:42] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[16:50] <kenvandine> snap parallel installs are cool :)
[16:50] <kenvandine> i can now install all the candidate and edge channels at the same time :)
[17:05] <andyrock> Laney: I'm not sure it would be easy to get that exception
[17:06] <andyrock> the problem is not reproducible with gnome-shell master because the code to trigger the deadlock is in a distro patch
[17:06] <andyrock> said that should I ask for a exception anyway? :)
[17:06] <Laney> k
[17:07] <Laney> would be nice, but up to you
[17:08] <andyrock> Laney: I'll try
[17:08] <andyrock> in a moment, working on a gnome-control-center crash right now :(
[17:37] <seb128> andyrock squashing all the bugs :)
[17:38] <andyrock> seb128: just run "gnome-control-center wifi"
[17:38] <andyrock> and then "gnome-control-center online-accounts add firefox"
[17:38] <andyrock> I've already a "fix"
[17:41] <seb128> good, we can distro patch as we update to .92 :)
[17:42] <om26er> Hi! Will Disco get GNOME 3.32 ?
[17:46] <om26er> ...assuming it gets released by 13th March :)
[17:48] <Laney> yes
[18:10] <wxl> jbicha, Laney: tsimonq2 suggested I ask you about a GTK2 issue we seem to have uncovered. bug 1782984 seems to have GTK2 as its root cause and has affected multiple GTK2 apps. those apps with GTK3 support have no such problems when used with GTK3 and not GTK2. so where do i go from here to triage this?
[18:29] <willcooke> night all
[18:50] <andyrock> EOD! night all
[23:40] <jbicha> wxl: sorry I don't have time now to investigate gtk2 issues :(
[23:42] <wxl> jbicha: i guess investigation is not so much what i'm asking for so much as suggestions on pushing upstream
[23:42] <jbicha> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues
[23:43] <jbicha> there is a template for "crash"
[23:43] <wxl> thanks
[23:45] <jbicha> sorry I couldn't be more helpful
[23:46] <wxl> it's better than nothing XD


[07:47] <BlackDex> cholcombe: Sorry for my late reply. The launchpad id is "fairbanks". Thx :)
[08:13] <kjackal> Good morinig Juju world!
[10:44] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Saiku is referenced here: https://dzone.com/articles/olap-for-big-data :) Nice!
[10:44] <magicaltrout> ooh
[10:44] <magicaltrout> thanks for the spot kjackal
[10:45] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Got the link from the hadoop weekly mailing list
[15:57] <vmorris> i keep ending up with odd ssh fingerprint changed messages when trying to "juju ssh unit/#" -- odd because the message indicates that the offending key is in some file in /tmp that doesn't actually exist. Any advice?
[19:17] <lazyPower> rick_h___ - MRW  https://media.giphy.com/media/mQG644PY8O7rG/giphy.gif  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408187/
[19:17] <rick_h___> lazyPower: huh?
[19:18] <lazyPower> rick_h___ - native osx bin working
[19:18] <rick_h___> lazyPower nice
[19:18] <lazyPower> sorry its late and you're in bucharest
[19:18] <lazyPower> <3
[19:18] <rick_h___> All good
[19:18] <lazyPower> preciate all you people and what you do to make that happen
[19:18]  * rick_h___ likes happy stuff


[00:28] <arist0v> hello, my kubuntu lost the amd64 arch how can i fix it please
[00:37] <arist0v> it's seem that i have a i686 arch with 11.84 gig of RAM!!!
[02:15] <jarkko_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU0MzY
[04:16] <bjrohan> I upgraded a laptop (my wife's) to 13.10 from 13.04. When she logs in, her settings appear to be to default (her wallpaper, no widgt, menu etc) she still has her desktop files in the desktop widget. My old login is the same as it always has been. If I go into her .kde settings I can see her old wallpaper. leading me to believe I jsut have to redirect some file, but which is my question
[04:55] <bjrohan> I upgraded a laptop (my wife's) to 13.10 from 13.04. When she logs in, her settings appear to be to default (her wallpaper, no widgt, menu etc) she still has her desktop files in the desktop widget. My old login is the same as it always has been. If I go into her .kde settings I can see her old wallpaper. leading me to believe I jsut have to redirect some file, but which is my question
[07:29] <uBUXUBu> noone speakes here just come in an out
[10:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:25] <soee> good morning
[11:26] <dheeraj_> Gud morning
[12:03] <dheeraj_> Any idea about the election Algorithms in Distributed systems?
[12:05] <dheeraj_> !alis distributedsystem*
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:01] <pac_man> ciao
[15:44] <Walzmy_> Since my upgrade 12.04 to 13.10, GRUB has been all messed up. I was thining of removing/installing it, but I've got Grub-common, rub-pc, grub2-common and a few others. Which do I need to reinstall?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Walzmy_, how do you mean, "messed up" ?
[16:07] <pac_man> ciao...
[16:07] <pac_man> ogni tanto mi capita di riavviare il pc ed il monitor sfarfalla orizzontalmente...
[16:07] <pac_man> ma se riavvio nuovamente si risolve...
[16:08] <pac_man> è un problema con i driver video?
[16:09] <lorenzo_> ciao
[16:14] <lorenzo_> !list
[16:19] <lorenzo_> !list
[17:35] <kkaakakakakak> hi all
[17:36] <loadid_czech> hi
[17:36] <kkaakakakakak> i want to add a custom entry to right click context menu, on desktop, like refresh, is there, i want to add New Word Document and something like that
[17:37] <kkaakakakakak> there are entries like link to location, link to application and others
[17:37] <loadid_czech> http://www.howtogeek.com/116807/how-to-easily-add-custom-right-click-options-to-ubuntus-file-manager/
[17:38] <kkaakakakakak> I am using KUbuntu desktop, not nautilus desktop, in nautilus desktop, i can add some file in template and it appears in right click
[17:39] <kkaakakakakak> i KNOW this solution, but this is for nautilus file browser, i am looking for  a solution for KDE desktop
[17:40] <kkaakakakakak> create new text file, create new html file , i don't need them, i need to create new word files frequently
[17:43] <loadid_czech> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=22508
[17:44] <loadid_czech> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/456333-editing-desktops-right-click-menu.html kkaakakakakak
[17:45] <kkaakakakakak> let me check, and thanks for the links
[20:19] <willwork4foo> Hi all - I'm trying to use a Jabber XMPP account that I have set up and working fine in Pidgin, but I can't make it work properly in Telepathy. I'm connecting to an Oracle beehive IM server
[20:28] <moparisthebest_> please someone tell me how to permanently disable akonadi in kubuntu 12.04 precise
[20:29] <moparisthebest_> every time I boot up, it starts 4 or 5 processes that each eat up 100% of a cpu core, locking up my entire machine until I can ctrl+alt+f1 to a terminal and 'killall' them
[20:42] <DarthFrog> moparisthebest_:  Use SystemSettings to turn off Desktop Search, i.e. nepomuk.
[20:58] <21WABXOBK> install pidgin
[20:58] <21WABXOBK> sudo apt-get install pidgin
[20:58] <21WABXOBK> sudo apt-get install pidgin-otr
[21:00] <uBUXUBu> good afternoon kubuntu
[21:29] <moparisthebest_> DarthFrog: I already had nepomuk disabled in system settings, doesn't stop akonadi from booting up 6 processes
[21:29] <moparisthebest_> I just found a akonadi config file and set StartServer=true to StartServer=false
[21:30] <DarthFrog> moparisthebest_:  I'd be interested in knowing if that solves your problem.
[21:30] <DarthFrog> What's the file name?
[21:30] <moparisthebest_> DarthFrog: ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
[21:30] <moparisthebest_> I haven't rebooted yet so I can't say
[21:30] <DarthFrog> Tnx.
[21:36] <DarthFrog> moparisthebest_:  setting "StartServer=false" is the recommended way of disabling Akonadi.  But apps that use Akonadi will start it when they need its services, even if disabled.   http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
[21:39] <moparisthebest_> sounds like the real solution would be to replace all akonadi programs with links to /bin/true... :(
[21:40] <DarthFrog> You won't be able to use Kmail or Kaddressbook in that case.
[21:41] <moparisthebest_> I use thunderbird anyway
[21:41] <DarthFrog> If you don't use PIM apps or the Digital Clock plasma widget, you might get away with it.
[21:41] <DarthFrog> So do I.  Kmail doesn't cut it for me.
[21:41] <moparisthebest_> I actually haven't tried it, I can't imagine it's better than thunderbird hehe
[21:42] <moparisthebest_> does that mean I can't use the clock in the bottom-right of the screen?
[21:42] <DarthFrog> Probably.
[21:43] <moparisthebest_> its running now and only akonadi-tray is runnig
[21:43] <moparisthebest_> oh well, i'll whip up a script and see what happens hehe
[22:45] <ronnoc> hi all
[22:46] <BluesKaj> hey ronnoc
[22:47] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: how are you? Hope you're having a good weekend so far
[22:48] <BluesKaj> doing fine thanks ronnoc, just got back from an afternoon jam...was fun. How are you doing ?
[23:14] <january> hi all
[23:19] <olgier> ggg
[23:20] <january> mmm
[23:22] <january> who like kadu?
[23:32] <soee> any idea how can i reset to default fireofx configuration ?
[23:32] <soee> the one in about:config ?
[23:37] <soee> ok got it :) prefs.js
[23:38] <amundsen> hi
[23:39] <amundsen> which is the default login manager in 13.10 ?
[23:58] <valorie> amundsen: I believe it's lightDM


[15:38] <skulltip> to use ubuntu-tv on ubuntu, do i need to follow the webupd8 blog instructions? or does it come with ubuntu :/?
[15:43] <Saviq> skulltip, the only ~supported way of running ubuntu-tv is from source
[15:44] <skulltip> you mean it's in beta still?
[15:45] <mhall119> it's in alpha still
[15:46] <skulltip> cool.. is the plan to use amazon tv
[15:46] <mhall119> the plan is to allow the use of as many sources as possible
[15:47] <skulltip> could netflix be a possiblity
[15:47] <mhall119> if netflix gets on board, yes
[15:47] <skulltip> ok thanks
[15:48] <mhall119> skulltip: the issue with Netflix, as far as I know, is that they need DRM
[15:49] <skulltip> true
[15:49] <mhall119> that'll probably be an issue with most content providers
[15:51] <popey> I don't think that's a major issue.
[15:51] <Saviq> it's not even in alpha
[15:51] <popey> Getting them on-board is mthe hardest part
[15:51] <popey> and actually finishing the code ☺
[15:53] <LjL> i really hope you don't plan to support DRM...
[15:55] <skulltip> wonder if a cloud-like DRM is possible, or virtualized stream-like
[15:56] <popey> LjL: if we don't implement some form of DRM then chances are we will have near-zero content
[16:00] <skulltip> store recorded movies on an encrypted partition, impossible to copy to another drive or machine?
[16:00] <popey> we have to do what the distributors / studios want basically. we're not big (apple/amazon) enough to influence whether they use DRM or not
[16:01] <popey> (yet)
[16:01] <skulltip> wave a potential market in their face however?
[16:02] <LjL> then you could start by making a lovely mediacenter thing even without much available content... but meh, nevermind this or i'll start a flamewar since i have pretty strong opinions on the subject
[16:06]  * tgm4883 just wants netflix,amazon vod, vudu, etc
[16:07] <h00k> Hey all.  Question about this...Is it going to be possibly to nicely play an existing media library? (videos, music, etc)
[16:07] <tgm4883> h00k, yes?
[16:07] <tgm4883> I'm not sure what you mean by that
[16:07] <h00k> tgm4883: okay. rather than just things on services like netflix, etc, etc.
[16:07] <tgm4883> yes
[16:07] <h00k> Like, "Oh, you have some stuff on your network in a share (mtp, whatever), you can play that too!)
[16:08] <h00k> I mixed my " and ) :(
[16:08] <tgm4883> from the screenshots/demos, you should have been able to see that you could play things like recorded content and such
[16:08] <h00k> also, are things...say you "purchase" something, is it downloadable, or must it stream from $source?
[16:08] <tgm4883> I didn't pay attention, but I bet there was music and picture lenses as well
[16:09] <tgm4883> h00k, that would depend on the content provider I would assume
[16:09] <h00k> tgm4883: yeah, I didn't notice, I should check again.
[16:09] <tgm4883> whether they allow you to download it or stream it only
[16:09] <h00k> I see amusic note lens, yes, I'll assume music as well
[16:11] <h00k> Also, there's the 'record' feature, 'tivo' like recording of shows? Will they be playable on other things, or will they be DRM'd?
[16:12] <tgm4883> Unknown at this point
[16:12] <h00k> Gotcha.
[16:12] <tgm4883> I'm writing a scope for mythtv, and whatever is recorded on that can be played anywhere
[16:13] <h00k> avi or some matroska container or something cool.
[16:13] <tgm4883> depends on the tuner
[16:13] <tgm4883> whether it's nuv, mpg, avi, etc
[16:14] <h00k> Cool. okay.
[16:15] <Saviq> h00k, again, it depends on the provider - if we just go for <put_your_local_receiver_here>, be it DVB-{C,T,S}{,+,2}
[16:15] <Saviq> and a CI for your provider's CAM
[16:15] <Saviq> then I can't imagine applying any DRM on top of the recordings
[16:16] <Saviq> but if we produce a TV for a specific provider, they might require us to lock down the recordings
[16:16] <tgm4883> Saviq, I'm not sure how well that would fly with mythtv. IIRC the MythTV team wants to stay pretty far from anything CI/CAM related
[16:17] <tgm4883> wagnerrp, could probably talk more about that as he's on the mythtv team. I just know enough about it that we've banned it in our (mythbuntu) forum and IRC channel
[16:17] <tgm4883> of course, I could be mixing things up with that
[16:17] <wagnerrp> thats not the case
[16:18] <Saviq> tgm4883, they've banned _soft_ cam
[16:18]  * tgm4883 sits corrected
[16:18] <Saviq> they can't really ban hardware CAMs as that's... well, hardware
[16:18] <wagnerrp> mythtv has no problems using cablecard (when cablecard will work with us)
[16:18] <tgm4883> ah I was mixing the two then
[16:18] <wagnerrp> and will happily do the necessary prodding to activate hardware CAMs when available
[16:18] <Saviq> and the "proper" way to get access to otherwise protected content
[16:18] <wagnerrp> it just doesnt get much use, since i dont believe anyone on the dev team is currently using a CAM
[16:18] <tgm4883> wagnerrp, the only issue then is that it still needs to be marked copy freely?
[16:19] <wagnerrp> for cablecard, yes
[16:19] <Saviq> tgm4883, that's simply because using soft cams, at least historically - not so much now - allowed you to access content you didn't pay for
[16:19] <wagnerrp> for CI, there is no such thing, as CI is not a DRM scheme
[16:19] <wagnerrp> CI+ is... i dont know where we stand in regards to supporting CI+
[16:19] <wagnerrp> right, what Saviq said
[16:19] <wagnerrp> that has changed now?
[16:20] <Saviq> wagnerrp, soft cams?
[16:20] <wagnerrp> "not so much now"
[16:20] <Saviq> yeah, most protocols now are fixed enough to basically prevent that
[16:20] <Saviq> as far as I know, at least
[16:21] <Saviq> the only use I have for sasc-ng is a "poor man's cam", which simply gives me the ability to not pay big bucks for the CI and CAM
[16:21] <Saviq> still pay the fees
[16:21] <Saviq> and anyway that's only possible with select providers
[16:21] <Saviq> most providers just give you locked down stb + card
[16:22] <Saviq> so you can't use anything apart from that pair
[16:22] <Saviq> so no mythtv, no ubuntutv will help you in that case - you're stuck with the stb the provider gives you
[16:22]  * tgm4883 uses an STB and HDPVR
[16:23] <tgm4883> it's less than ideal, but it gets the job done
[16:23] <wagnerrp> what a reversal from a couple years ago, where EU users could use CAMs and US digital cable users were pretty much screwed
[16:24] <wagnerrp> although if youve got time warner, youre still screwed
[16:24] <wagnerrp> :)
[16:26] <Saviq> wagnerrp, it's going to change again, I think, as more and more TVs come with built-in CIs, even DVB-S/S2
[16:26] <Saviq> and a box that can get 4 CAMs these days is el-cheapo
[16:27] <Saviq> they will have to rethink their strategy, /methinks
[16:27] <wagnerrp> Saviq: except arent most switching to CI+?
[16:27] <Saviq> or /mehopes
[16:27] <Saviq> wagnerrp, dunno, but still, if you can use a single box to get access to several providers' content in a unified manner
[16:27] <Saviq> that's a huge win than 3 separate boxes, remotes, whatnot


[07:28] <erik_lonroth> tvansteenburgh: Thanx for your help yesterday. After som time, I managed to get through on this and managed to get a "hello-world-reactive" charm to work, which doesn't do much, but helps me get going on charm development.
[07:29] <erik_lonroth> I however struggle with finding a "best practice" for reactive programming. Understanding the "state" machine, what is executedunder what conditions etc. is quite hard to get a good feeling about the "workflow". How do you guys plan your larger charms and layers when you develop?
[13:49] <bdx> kwmonroe, marcoceppi: one more thing ... could you add me to the layer-kibana repo also?
[13:49] <bdx> thx


[00:00] <valorie> the local buzz is that Microsoft will announce their new CEO once the superbowl brouhaha has settled
[00:00] <valorie> next week
[00:00] <ahoneybun> I mean I and now in a hard place because I don't have a product key as it seems it is in the bios
[00:00] <ahoneybun> and a iso seems hard to get for just Win 8
[00:00] <valorie> !efi
[00:00] <valorie> that thing?
[00:00] <ahoneybun> it has a BIOS emu
[00:00] <ahoneybun> but yea it is efi
[00:01] <valorie> evilness
[00:01] <ahoneybun> had to use the nomodeset option in the boot to get it to run the installer
[00:01] <ahoneybun> anyway brb
[00:01] <valorie> the gpu seems to be flaking out on this computer, and I dread trying to find a new one without fighting that
[00:01] <valorie> bleah
[00:03] <ahoneybun> about 12 seconds to boot
[00:03] <ahoneybun> to log screen
[00:03]  * mamarley 's computer (with UEFI and an SSD) boot about that fast.
[00:04]  * ahoneybun wonders if he used "nomodeset" in the kubuntu installer that it would work
[00:04] <ahoneybun> like in the ubuntu installer
[00:05] <mamarley> What kind of graphics card do you have?  Does your UEFI support CSM (Compatibility Support Mode)?
[00:05] <ahoneybun> it has a  option to act like BIOS
[00:05] <ahoneybun> I have 2 really one intel on the board and one nvidia
[00:06] <mamarley> Some graphics drivers don't like booting if CSM is off.
[00:06] <mamarley> The Nvidia blob does fine with it off on my Thinkpad T530.  I do have Optimus disabled though.
[00:06] <ahoneybun> mamarley, GeForce GT 750M
[00:07] <ahoneybun> I did not install anything bumblebee or any non-free nvidia drivers
[00:07] <ahoneybun> which I had to do last time I installed Ubuntu 13.10 on this machine
[00:10] <ahoneybun> valorie, do you know the most amazing part of all this day so far?
[00:11] <valorie> what's that, ahoneybun?
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I plugged in a second monitor with hdmi and it just worked!
[00:12] <valorie> NICE
[00:12] <ahoneybun> that is epic
[00:12] <ahoneybun> not going to work in every case but still nice when it works
[00:13] <valorie> I still have to sleep and resume to get my display to work, which is extremely odd
[00:13] <ahoneybun> I am going to continue to bug test the new alpha 2 in a vm though
[00:13] <valorie> but I don't know if it's because of the flakey gpu or what
[00:13]  * jackyalcine thinks it's about time he tested alpha2
[00:13] <ahoneybun> it is prettystable for the most part have not really gone deep yet
[00:14] <ahoneybun> reported one bug in the installer but that was just wording
[00:14] <valorie> upgrade went fine to alpha one, but I haven't really used that laptop since upgrading it
[00:14] <ahoneybun> muon discover seems to be a bit better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> Now if opendesktop.org could look better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> and work better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> it could be the social hub for the F/OSS community
[00:15] <jackyalcine> but I digress
[00:17] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[00:18] <ahoneybun> valorie, how long do we have for the translations to finish?
[00:18] <valorie> jackyalcine: I prefer http://www.freedesktop.org/
[00:18] <valorie> opendesktop isn't open, isn't free software, actually
[00:18] <ahoneybun> valorie, is it 1990?
[00:18] <valorie> 1990?
[00:19] <ahoneybun> that site
[00:19] <valorie> not sure when they were created, but it is the same company who makes kde-look, kde-apps, gnome-look, etc.
[00:20] <valorie> once Bodega gets going, we can start to leave that behind, I hope
[00:20] <ahoneybun> do most apps install to the / or do some install to /home ?
[00:21] <valorie> ahoneybun: I don't know what the schedule is; at some point we have to stop the translations and start creating the package, and moving the stuff to the website
[00:21] <ahoneybun> that is the point how do we determine that date?
[00:21] <valorie> I haven't a clue
[00:21] <valorie> perhaps write to KDE-devel and ask?
[00:21] <ahoneybun> perhaps
[00:22] <jackyalcine> I didn't know that Bodega's the replacement
[00:22] <valorie> not yet
[00:23] <valorie> but it is being developed
[00:23] <ahoneybun> kde-devel or kubuntu-dev?
[00:23] <valorie> oops, kubuntu-devel
[00:23] <valorie> kde-devel would be confused by that question, lol
[00:23] <ahoneybun> lol yep
[00:24] <jarkko_> is it possible that window manager grabs keyboard that it cant be used on full screen program?
[00:26]  * ahoneybun wonders now if the deadline follows the package upload/update freeze
[00:28] <valorie> rather closely
[00:28] <valorie> since we have to upload a package
[00:28] <ahoneybun> as we would need to get the kubuntu-doc package in before then
[00:28] <valorie> right
[00:28] <valorie> as i was saying, we need to start documenting this stuff
[00:29] <valorie> such as where to find deadlines, how to create and upload the package, arranging for translations, etc.
[00:30] <ahoneybun> I have the deadline for 14.04 somewhere
[00:30] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[00:31] <valorie> like our ninjas have documented their workflow, we should do as well
[00:32] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/hello-world/ works well, but http://test.kubuntu.co.uk has a broken image
[00:32] <ahoneybun> yea but where to start
[00:33] <valorie> make a page on the wiki and I'll start
[00:33] <valorie> you add in what you know, and sgclark can add, etc.
[00:33] <ahoneybun> where is the one for the ninjas that I can model from>
[00:33] <valorie> make a card in the trello so people know where to find it
[00:34] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[00:34] <ahoneybun> something like DocsPeople?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> as a name
[00:35] <valorie> nice nitty-gritty page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[00:35] <valorie> hmmm
[00:35] <valorie> people sounds more like a team listing
[00:36] <valorie> how about DocWork ?
[00:37] <ahoneybun> that would work
[00:39] <ahoneybun> wow the wiki seems to be a bit off lol
[00:39] <ahoneybun> got a huge python error when I try to log in
[00:40] <valorie> hmmm
[00:40] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs hasn't been used for awhile
[00:40] <ahoneybun> not since the 13.10 package
[00:41] <ahoneybun> still set for raring
[00:41] <valorie> ah, I was just looking at the wrong place; no recent blueprints
[00:41] <valorie> since we don't use the blueprints any more
[00:41] <valorie> trello is better
[00:41] <valorie> there is a Trusty package already
[00:42] <ahoneybun> I just saw that
[00:42] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/kubuntu-docs
[00:42] <valorie> so that will need to be replaced
[00:42] <valorie> updated, whatever
[00:42] <ahoneybun> but it has the same date as the 13.10 one
[00:43] <valorie> right, probably identical content
[00:43] <ahoneybun> yeaa
[00:43] <valorie> that's always the starting point
[00:43]  * ahoneybun is installing bzr for later work on launchpad
[00:44] <ahoneybun> why don't we have launchpad setup for bug reports?
[00:45] <valorie> somewhere I have a doc I made when working on the old docs
[00:45] <valorie> I'll email that to you
[00:45] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[00:45] <valorie> you can use what bits are useful and ditch the rest
[00:45]  * ahoneybun wants to take control of the kubuntu-docs page on lp
[00:46] <valorie> I assume we don't use the bug tracker now because we stopped developing on launchpad
[00:46] <valorie> but if you take control of it, perhaps you can change that
[00:46] <valorie> I would talk to the ubuntu-docs folks about that
[00:46] <ahoneybun> I mean apachelogger put a bug on our docs though the ubuntu one because we dont have it
[00:46] <valorie> since we are part of that larger team
[00:47] <valorie> I'm sure they know how to flip the switch
[00:47] <valorie> almost pizza time here.....
[00:47] <ahoneybun> and that is filled with old bug reports and since we restared the docs we should have a clean plate
[00:47] <valorie> right
[00:48] <valorie> again, if you are in charge, you can probably mark the old bugs as outdated or something
[00:48] <ahoneybun> I would move the current ones that we have though over
[00:48] <ahoneybun> well the old bugs are on the ubuntu side of it
[00:48] <ahoneybun> not the kubuntu-docs page it self
[00:48] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs <- old things
[00:48] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs <- our own page
[00:50] <valorie> ok, off to pizza
[00:50] <valorie> later....
[00:50] <ahoneybun> later
[03:00] <ScottK> 4.10.5 is accepted and building for saucy.
[03:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: Accepted.
[07:29] <valorie> I'm looking over old email and see one from d_ed about Ktp that was never answered -- did someone take over the https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/daily-builds PPA?
[07:53] <jackyalcine> that's a good question, I haven't noticed any updates from it
[08:15] <valorie> he requested someone to take over the PPA
[08:15] <valorie> I'll forward back to the list if no one answers here
[09:54] <cortexA9> hello
[09:54] <cortexA9> Riddell:
[09:54] <cortexA9> :)
[09:54] <cortexA9> there is a problem
[09:55] <cortexA9> i have kubuntu trusty
[09:55] <cortexA9> but on startup
[09:55] <cortexA9> doesn't start correctly
[09:56] <cortexA9> i must select an old kernel
[09:58] <cortexA9> if i select
[09:58] <cortexA9> kubuntu
[09:58] <cortexA9> doesn't start correctly
[11:55] <alvin> Riddels talk is going to start in 5 minutes
[12:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks!
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:33] <jarkko> does anyone know if there is a know problem that window manager can grab your keyboard?
[12:33] <jarkko> in fullscreen program
[14:27] <akki2222> hi
[14:28] <akki2222> i want to contribute in kde but when updating my xubuntu for kde development through debian repos it behaves abnormally
[14:28] <akki2222> removed a lot of files including xubuntu desktop
[14:29] <akki2222> which repos should i use for development?
[14:33] <ghostcube> you should stay with the X(buntu) repos? not going to debian imo
[14:33] <ghostcube> debian repos arent the same as ubuntu repos
[14:36] <akki2222> i was reading the pdf n it said to update for kde build
[15:10] <ghostcube> hmmm who did muon? can i ask something? in synpatic you can choose remove completely.. so with program settings files. in muon you cant any reason for this?
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: do you reffer to the footer?
[16:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:40] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[16:41] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you doing?
[16:42] <ahoneybun> good netflix is being silly right now but good
[17:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ping
[17:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: when's the KDE Dinner?
[17:03] <shadeslayer_> nvm
[21:45] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: the header, actually
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: how come?
[21:46] <valorie> good question
[21:46] <valorie> I didn't look at the html
[21:46] <valorie> sec
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I mean I don't understand what you see it's wrong?
[21:52] <valorie> perhaps I can take a screenshot
[21:53] <valorie> hmmm, today I see the headers
[21:53] <valorie> header
[21:53] <valorie> perhaps it was just being stubborn yesterday
[21:54] <valorie> today it appears everything is not only working, but it's lovely as well
[22:15] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley)
[22:42] <soee> ok just sent £4,00 GBP donation :) who first than can buy beer :)
[22:44] <valorie> heh


[11:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[18:01] <BluesKaj> BBL ...stuff to do
[20:58] <bregma> oh man, I ate wayyyy too much ... brussel sprouts, rutabaga, carrots, parsnips, potatoes, cranberries, turkey, stuffing, gravy, and two kinds of pie
[20:58] <bregma> oh, and squash
[20:59] <bregma> and whipped cream
[21:01] <bregma> I missed the ham and two salads
[21:01] <bregma> no room
[21:03] <pangolin> make a dish for later


[01:41] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Awake?
[03:08] <len-dt> Ja, just not watching the irc too close.
[06:13] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[07:24] <smartboyhw> ailo: ping I wanna ask are you also responsible for the quantal lowlatency kernels
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Is len-dt going to camp today?:)


[00:07]  * thumper goes to make lunch
[00:51] <ousado> wpk: I'm referring to this error (and there are several other places like that) https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/4b151d9866678ccc98b292d7c495aa76a665984c/tools/lxdclient/client_network.go#L58
[00:54] <ousado> and searching the docs yields 4 results
[01:30] <thumper> wallyworld: can I pur our 1:1 out a bit?
[01:30] <thumper> perhaps 30 min or so?
[01:30] <wallyworld> sure, just ping
[01:30] <thumper> ack
[02:05] <thumper> wallyworld: I have about 15m now I think
[02:05] <wallyworld> ok
[02:05] <thumper> I just have a strong suspicion that my daughter will call wanting a lift home
[02:05] <thumper> around 3:20
[02:05] <thumper> wallyworld: let's go now
[08:09] <manadart> PR up for review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8550
[08:11] <manadart> jam is the incumbent for context ^
[12:11] <manadart> Another one for review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8551
[14:26] <balloons> manadart, i've b+.1
[14:27] <balloons> I'll snatch one


[01:30] <comradekingu> Stop spamming dumb shit
 @CSmartly [please be specific what to take], first enable dreveloper, then enable usb debuging, and the option to allow oem unlocking in android settings
 @TotalSonic [hmmm, seems it still is not possible to click on a locally downloaded html file …], i think you need the flag for allowing local file access maybe
 @mateosalta [i think you need the flag for allowing local file access maybe], sorry for my ignorance - how would I enable that?
 Folks! Xiaomi Mi A3 now has the power button and mobile data FIXED!
 rebuild morph from the github, in morphbrowser.cpp add the qtwebengine flag
 I'm gonna commit the changes I made and build a final version with instructions on how to enable mobile data.
 @TotalSonic [hmmm, seems it still is not possible to click on a locally downloaded html file …], does this htlm try and access anthing in the internet
 if you have an example file i  mind i could try and test
 not that I am aware - it should uses the script files in the folder it is in - I am trying to get TodoTxtWebUi to work locally on my UT device so that I can load a todo.txt task list file into it offline, without having to access the version I have installed on my remote web server
 info at https://github.com/bicarbon8/todoTxtWebUi
 [Edit] not that I am aware - it should use the script files unpacked in the folder it is in - I am trying to get TodoTxtWebUi to work locally on my UT device so that I can load a todo.txt task list file into it offline, without having to access the version I have installed on my remote web server
 cool i will check it out
 @mateosalta [cool i will check it out], thanks!
 @mintphin [Folks! Xiaomi Mi A3 now has the power button and mobile data FIXED!], nice!  thanks for all of your work on that port
[04:24] <ubptgbot> danieI_nguyan was added by: danieI_nguyan
 I understood from the latest UT Q&A that the UBports Installer would include both the UT image and the Volla phone image. When I open the UBports Installer (0.5.4-beta) on my PC, I still only see the UT image as an option. Did I misunderstand the latest Q&A?
 @mintphin [Folks! Xiaomi Mi A3 now has the power button and mobile data FIXED!], A power button is quite a useful feature 😁
 @Mokmeister [I understood from the latest UT Q&A that the UBports Installer would include bot …], I think it was 'within a couple of weeks'
[11:39] <ubptgbot> herobuxx was added by: herobuxx
 @Mokmeister [I understood from the latest UT Q&A that the UBports Installer would include bot …], i think that was wor for the next, to have ready when they ship
[12:18] <ubptgbot> systemsauce was added by: systemsauce
 Hi, I’m Rian, a small developer not very well known, haha.  … Does UBPorts currently have a Wiki?
 you mean a documentation ? : http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/
 oh, nicr
 [Edit] oh, nice
 @systemsauce [Hi, I’m Rian, a small developer not very well known, haha.  … Does UBPorts current …], Wikis get attacked too much but we have plenty of documentation
 Thanks a lot for the help. I am trying to port UBPorts to older devices.
 @Stereofont [Wikis get attacked too much but we have plenty of documentation], Thanks.
 [Edit] Thanks a lot for the help. I am trying to port UBPorts to older devices. … Example: Moto G1, Moto G2, Moto G3.
 @systemsauce [Thanks a lot for the help. I am trying to port UBPorts to older devices. … Exampl …], See the porting guides. There is a long video on UBports YouTube account
 @Stereofont [See the porting guides. There is a long video on UBports YouTube account], Oh, nice. … This would help a lot. Thank you!
 good luck ;-)
 ;)
 Which branch should I use for a device that only has Android 8.1 sources available?
 maybe try on halium channel: @halium
 [Edit] maybe try on Telegram halium channel: @halium
 ok.
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[15:28] <ubptgbot> Jessica Jones was added by: Jessica Jones
[15:33] <ubptgbot> Andy was added by: Andy
 Ok community. Since invidio.us has closed down, what instance of Invidious should we now use?
 For UBdious.
 🤷♀
 (Photo, 1080x2280) https://irc.ubports.com/8PbkZ5XV.png
 Am i missing something here?
 Is this a known issue?
 Where do want to copy it to? There is no clipboard in UT.
 But you can save it to share it.
 The copy menu entry should not be there...
 @jonny [Where do want to copy it to? There is no clipboard in UT.], eh?
 there is a clipboard
 There has to be
 I can copy text
 cant copy images tho
 true, I forgot about that
 morph probably needs to do something for webengine though
 Fwd from Flohack: Again a reminder: … Please try to avoid using UBports as a name for Github accounts, repositories, etc. UBports is a unique trademark that should only be used by official accounts of the UBports Foundation. We do not want people to mistake any repo thats not from us. You can use Ubuntu Touch instead.
 (Photo, 305x55) https://irc.ubports.com/0K6gSoBA.png It doesn't work xd
 Somebody, pls, can I install Ubuntu on Redmi Note 8T?
[16:41] <ubptgbot> Jellymeat was added by: Jellymeat
 @Mulnir [Somebody, pls, can I install Ubuntu on Redmi Note 8T?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io … If it's not on the list, join porting group
 @Mulnir [Somebody, pls, can I install Ubuntu on Redmi Note 8T?], Please don't ask the same question in multiple channels. You were already given an answer in the Halium group too.
[17:14] <ubptgbot> nukutozxumukov was added by: nukutozxumukov
 Hi, guys. Need help regarding installation of Ubuntu. I flash everything as per the instructions, but in the end, rickaveri writes that there is no firmware and the phone is hanging on the Redmi logo. (device - rn8t/willow).
 i don't think that device is supported
 see https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 I think Redmi Note 8T is not supported device, but you can join @Halium and ask @erfanabdi
 @dohbee [Please don't ask the same question in multiple channels. You were already given …], I'm sorry, but I didn't get answer...
 [Edit] I think Redmi Note 8T is not supported device, but you can join @Halium and ask @erfanoabdi
 @NotKit [I think Redmi Note 8T is not supported device, but you can join @Halium and ask …], Ok
 @NotKit [I think Redmi Note 8T is not supported device, but you can join @Halium and ask …], The 4pda branch has it
 @nukutozxumukov [The 4pda branch has it], you need to ask whomever made it then
 (Photo, 338x333) https://irc.ubports.com/f6Qv5LUM.png Most recently there was a post (today)
 sorry for russian
 it is not us
 :/ wow
 And, in principle, the planned port on willow?
 anyway you should probably ask about porting in https://t.me/halium
[19:54] <ubptgbot> Ykp was added by: Ykp
[20:41] <ubptgbot> calvinistmac was added by: calvinistmac
 Hey all! I recently obtained a OnePlus 3 and was trying to install Ubuntu Touch on it with the lastest installer (5.4). Got it to recognize the device but after it flashed it just booted into the recovery and wouldn't boot into the OS. Any ideas? The 1 forum thread I found on it seemed less than helpful.
 @calvinistmac [Hey all! I recently obtained a OnePlus 3 and was trying to install Ubuntu Touch …], I think you ned to format your phone to ext4 (in recovery) and then connect to installer. But hear first with professionals on this forum
 @demone011 [I think you ned to format your phone to ext4 (in recovery) and then connect to i …], Yep, formatted to ext4 and the same thing happened.
 I had same problem, but I think I fix it with formating. Or maybe I tried in windows, Linux different.cables etc..
 Keep getting storage nearly full messages on my Bq Aquaris M10. Appears to be over 7gb of "other files" in storage. My Fp2 only has 2.5gb any idea what these other files are and where they are?
 I made a pull request to devices.ubuntu-touch.io https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/-/merge_requests/30?resolved_conflicts=true
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[06:44] <nealmcb> ouch - my laptop wouldn't shutdown - something about a read-only filesystem is all I saw, so I had to power it off.  now I get "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; run fsck manually" - and it is noting a ton of illegal blocks and multiply-claimed blocks.  I haven't seen this sort of thing in years if ever....
[06:47] <nealmcb> journal inodes sharing blockis with defoma font-caches - nasty stuff
[07:06] <erikstaats> I'm having trouble getting php to log errors to anywhere but the default apache error_log.
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nealmcb, wow. didnt realise tht still happnened :(
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[11:12] <dencrypt> how do I open ports on my server for ftp-service? I tried doing iptables but it doesn't work, any ideas?
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> install an ftp service, by default theres nothing blocking ports
[11:16] <dencrypt> yeah, that's what I thought. I run vsftpd and it is started. But when I do a nmap locally it doesn't specify the port in /etc/vsftpd.conf to be open at all and I can't connect either.
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> you cant telnet to port 20/21?
[11:19] <dencrypt> nope
[11:19]  * Kamping_Kaiser doesnt do ftp, so cant really comment on setting up a server with it
[11:20] <dencrypt> It actually worked a few days back, which is even more strange
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> how did you confirm its started?
[11:21] <dencrypt>  * Starting FTP server: vsftpd                                                                                [ OK ]
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you checked syslog for errors/warnings?
[11:22] <dencrypt> hmm... no.
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> tail -n 30 /var/log/syslog
[11:24] <dencrypt> nope, no errors :/
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :\ does the ftp server havve its own logging? `ls /var/log/*ftp*
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> `
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> `ls /var/log/*ftp*`
[11:25] <dencrypt> yes
[11:25] <dencrypt> but they are all empty
[11:26] <dencrypt> when I do top I can't find the process...
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ftp
[11:26] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[11:26] <dencrypt> it might not be started...
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> !vsftp
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> !vsftpd
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftpd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloody bot.
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> dencrypt, run `ps aux |grep ftp`
[11:27] <dencrypt> wtf! nothing there. why doesn't it start?...
[11:27] <dencrypt> hmmm
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless it calls itself something-not-ftp
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/ftp-server.html ? its kind of bear though :(
[11:31] <dencrypt> shall have a look
[11:33] <dencrypt> when I do sudo /etc/vstftp stop I get the following message: No /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed.
[11:33] <dencrypt> and everytime it says [OK]
[11:34] <dencrypt> but if I stop it everytime, how can I keep stoping it?
[11:34] <dencrypt> haha
[11:57] <kraut> moin
[12:07] <hatter> anyone here got speed problems with 7.10 and samba ?
[14:07] <mralphabet> hatter: happen to be using vista as the client?
[16:06] <nownot> hello im trying to get a vpn going and want to share one of my external hd's on the network. but im having problems with the samba part. any help me out/
[16:24] <nealmcb> I'm trying to recover a disk by mounting it using a gutsy live cd.  I've gotten to sudo lvscan shows "inactive '/dev/ubuntu/root' [144.88 GB] inherit" and I guess I want to use dmsetup to create a device.
[16:24] <nealmcb> fdisk says /dev/sda5 30 19458 156056528 8e Linux LVM.  so do I somehow use those cylinder numbers to create a table for dmsetup create?   or is there a good howto out there?
[16:24]  * nealmcb mourns for the data on his sweet new laptop :-(
[16:25] <nealmcb> at least there wasn't anything precious there that I can recall....
[16:39] <Innatech> nealmcb: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874
[16:42] <nealmcb> Innatech: thanks!
[16:42] <Innatech> no prob. Hope it works!
[17:11] <eldonz>  I'm trying to install ubuntu-server on a mini-pc with SiS x86 compatible processor but get "No installable kernel was found". Any way around this?
[17:16] <nealmcb> Innatech: success - the trick was sudo vgchange -a y    interesting article....
[17:19] <Innatech> nealmcb: cool.
[17:19] <Innatech> I'll have to try and remember that.
[17:26] <bert> okey, I have got a question about ubuntu server
[17:26] <bert> what are the system requirements for a server
[17:26] <bert> ???
[17:27] <Innatech> fairly modest. What did you have in mind?
[17:28] <bert> well, the problem is, I tried installing ubuntu server a simple LAMP + mail server inside our home network
[17:28] <bert> but when I try to start it (it's already installed) it says that the processor isn't good enough :s
[17:28] <Innatech> can you provide the specific error it gives?
[17:29] <bert> I don't remember it and the partitions are already deleted as I misconfigured them and they took up all the rets of the disk
[17:30] <Innatech> mm. Well, you might be able to get the system to boot with a cheat-code but without knowing the error its hard to say.
[17:30] <bert> should I reinstall or is a laptop with a celeron processor @ 1.7Ghz just nog powerfull enough ?
[17:30] <Innatech> no, that should be fine.
[17:31] <bert> then, I'll just reinstall
[17:31] <bert> but it was very strange
[17:31] <bert> the kernel refused to load :s
[17:31] <Innatech> Although the mobile chipset might be causing problems.
[17:31] <bert> that's possible
[17:31] <bert> but ATM it's the most powerfull machine I have
[17:32] <bert> ow yeah, now that I'm here
[17:33] <bert> how much diskspace would a ubuntu server installation (LAMP + mailserver + FTP) take ?
[18:29] <nathan42100> hey, is anyone here?
[18:32] <infinity> Nope.
[18:32] <nathan42100> Im trying to install 7.10 server on a few Dell PowerEdge servers 2300-2500 series and the installation hangs at 21% libc6-udeb. Any ideas? I cant find anything on the forums as to an answer
[18:33] <infinity> If it stalls in the same spot every time, I'd usually guess it's a bad CD.
[18:33] <nathan42100> I have two cds and a CD verification on my laptop (sadly its faster) says its fine
[18:34] <nathan42100> many other distros of Linux refuse to install as well, inlcuding the desktop version of Ubunu
[18:36] <Innatech> you can try looking through here....not sure if it will help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[18:40] <nathan42100> can't find anything
[18:42] <Innatech> there are a few bugs filed against the installer by laptop users.
[18:42] <danp> can you flip to another vty and see what it says?
[18:42] <danp> or does it hang?
[18:43] <nathan42100> #1, im installing it on a server, not a laptop, #2 a vty? Im a linux newb right now...
[18:43] <danp> if you can't switch vty's once it's hung you might start the installation, switch to the debug vty and wait for it to hang...see if it says anything when it does
[18:44] <Innatech> you could also try an alternate or server install and add packages
[18:44] <nathan42100> what is a vty
[18:45] <nathan42100> I am trying the server install
[18:45] <Innatech> ./bonk oh yea
[18:45] <nathan42100> what is a vty?
[18:46] <danp> http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie5_1.htm; once the installation starts you can change terminals/ttys/consoles/whatever
[18:46] <danp> on the second one you can get a shell, on 5 and/or 6 i think is debug output from the installer
[18:47] <nathan42100> 2nd terminal I assume
[18:47] <nathan42100> how do I get back to the installer?
[18:47] <nathan42100> #1?
[18:47] <nathan42100> and I assume it works in the installer
[18:47] <danp> yeah
[18:48] <nathan42100> ok, I think Im gunna print this
[18:48] <nathan42100> thanks
[18:48] <nathan42100> major problem for future though: 6 servers, a couple switches and hubs and about 20 computers (windowz not linux) without an internet connection because the damn school doesnt trust us
[18:49] <nathan42100> sadly, the servers actually aren't required for the course so there isn't a big push to the school tech support guys to install it for us...
[18:50] <nathan42100> is the 5th and 6th terminal the same debug output?
[18:50] <nathan42100> as far as I can tell it hangs, but then it does eventually show an error about 5 minutes later
[18:50] <nathan42100> so I can look at the debug output after the error
[18:52] <nathan42100> right danp?
[18:55] <nathan42100> danp?
[18:57] <bert> sorry, does anyone know what to do with the following kernel panic: "PANIC: CPU too old for this kernel." ???
[18:58] <bert> (it's a fresh ubuntu server installation)
[19:01] <nathan42100> I would assume that it is exactly what it says...I would get an older version of the server or a newer CPU
[19:02] <bert> well, someone told me here that an intel celeron @ 1.7Ghz should work fine
[19:02] <nathan42100> I don't know the actual answer as I am a newb
[19:02] <nathan42100> but try with an older installaton
[19:03] <nathan42100> hang on
[19:03] <bert> okey
[19:03] <nathan42100> yeah, according to the website a celeron should work
[19:03] <nathan42100> how old is the computer?
[19:04] <bert> 3 or 4 years old I think
[19:04] <bert> maximum
[19:05] <danp> nathan42100, i think you should switch to the debug console as soon as the installation starts to see what it's doing
[19:05] <nathan42100> danp: wouldn't I still have to enter configuation things the first few steps?
[19:05] <nathan42100> oh, neverming
[19:07] <bert> okey, so you mean that dapper perhaps would work ?
[19:09] <danp> bert, it's weird you're getting that error. i have edgy server running on an oooold compaq PC with a 500MHz celeron here at home
[19:09] <bert> well, I think it's odd too
[19:09] <bert> but it's perhaps because I run it on a laptop
[19:09] <bert> chipset error perhaps ?
[19:09] <danp> maybe
[19:09] <bert> but how do I fix that ?
[19:10] <danp> see if the desktop version boots and works. maybe it needs the generic kernel instead of server. you could probably use the alternate install if that's the case
[19:10] <bert> well, the generic kernel works fine
[19:11] <danp> do you get that error when you're booting it after installing?
[19:11] <bert> so you mean I have to install using the alternate CD and then just delete all the desktop packages ?
[19:11] <danp> or when you're trying to boot the installation from CD in the first place?
[19:11] <bert> the installation CD boots fine
[19:12] <bert> but I can't get it started after the installation
[19:12] <danp> ok, you're able to boot the server install CD and do the installation...it's just the first boot that has trouble
[19:12] <danp> right, so...what you can do is, after the installation reboots, boot the CD again and go into rescue mode
[19:13] <danp> when you install, are you just using one big / partition/filesystem?
[19:14] <bert> yes one / partiton
[19:14] <bert> *partition
[19:14] <bert> but I could easily splitt it
[19:15] <bert> I have plenty of space left
[19:15] <danp> that's fine, that makes it easier for this
[19:15] <bert> okey
[19:15] <danp> once you boot into rescue mode you'll eventually get an option to start a shell
[19:16] <bert> aah, okey
[19:16] <danp> pick your / partition, probably /dev/hda1
[19:16] <danp> then do: apt-get install linux-image-generic
[19:16] <bert> do you mean booting from the kernel's rescue line ?
[19:16] <bert> *server's
[19:17] <danp> yeah, from the server installation CD
[19:17] <bert> aaah
[19:17] <bert> okey
[19:17] <danp> it might be a menu option now, too
[19:17] <nathan42100> what exactly does apt-get do?
[19:18] <bert> so I should pick rescue a broken system from the menu, right ?
[19:18] <danp> yeah
[19:19] <danp> nathan42100: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[19:21] <nathan42100> so its basically just a commandline simple package manager?
[19:22] <bert> well nathan, synaptic and kpackage are just graphical front-ends to apt-get ;)
[19:23] <nathan42100> ...never used linux really, maybe a total of about 20 hours a few years ago
[19:23] <nathan42100> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82017 <-- im not the only one...the problem has been happening for a couple of versions
[19:23] <bert> danp, is it normal that the rescue thing takes very long to load ?
[19:26] <danp> i guess...it should take about the same amount of time as booting the installation
[19:26] <bert> well, it is taking a lot more ATM
[19:27] <nathan42100> danp, should I try putting "cdrom_hdparm=-d1" at the boot parameters?
[19:28] <danp> i think you should
[19:28] <nathan42100> (see the thread, 2nd to last post)
[19:28] <nathan42100> ok
[19:28] <nathan42100> I can't do it know
[19:28] <nathan42100> now*
[19:28] <nathan42100> servers are at school
[19:30] <nathan42100> since it is the server CD, do I need the live and the cdrom-detect as well?
[19:30] <nathan42100> danp?
[19:34] <nathan42100> danp, interesting. This person tried 6.061 and it worked, but no other version did: http://www.vinnia.se/2007/05/08/install-ubuntu-704-on-a-dell-poweredge-2450-server/
[19:42] <nathan42100> hello?
[20:21] <pete01> hi
[20:22] <pete01> need some help with cvsnt pserver config plz
[20:22] <fujin_> o_0?
[20:23] <pete01> hi
[20:23] <pete01> can you help me with setting up cvsnt on ubuntu server?
[20:27] <fujin_> What's cvsnt?
[20:27] <pete01> google it
[20:27] <pete01> can anyone else help
[20:27] <fujin_> Why not use something that isn't shit?
[20:27] <fujin_> (i.e.; SVN, git)
[20:27] <pete01> ah good
[20:27] <fujin_> darcs
[20:27] <pete01> some response
[20:28] <pete01> :)
[20:28] <pete01> sorry just better getting a response than none
[20:28] <fujin_> If you were asking about SVN, I could help;
[20:28] <fujin_> CVS is rubbish
[20:28] <pete01> i know
[20:28] <fujin_> I wouldn't touch it with a pole
[20:28] <pete01> i don't really want to
[20:28] <pete01> can i exlpain my situation
[20:28] <fujin_> Explaining it isn't going to help me help you
[20:28] <fujin_> unfortunately
[20:28] <pete01> hehe
[20:29] <pete01> :(
[20:29] <pete01> is this just an idling channel?
[20:29] <pete01> or a quiet time
[20:29] <pete01> *sigh*
[20:31] <fujin_> Have you googled?
[20:31] <pete01> yeah, there is almost nothing out there in terms of howtos, etc.
[20:32] <pete01> CVSNT is design Windows I think but can run on Linux
[20:32] <fujin_> (that's because it's shit)
[20:32] <pete01> lol, true
[20:32] <pete01> I have a CVSNT repos that I want to continue to use on a Linux server
[20:32] <pete01> Windows server died last week
[20:32] <pete01> hardware error
[20:33] <fujin_> ugh
[20:33] <pete01> I expected this channel to be a hive of activity and discussions...
[20:33] <fujin_> import the repository to SVN and be done with it?
[20:33] <fujin_> You're discussing stupid things
[20:33] <pete01> bleh
[20:33] <pete01> how
[20:33] <pete01> :P
[20:35] <pete01> ok, you're right
[20:37] <fujin_> install svn
[20:37] <fujin_> check out the repository
[20:37] <fujin_> svn add all of the stuff
[20:37] <fujin_> svn commit
[20:37] <fujin_> &&done
[20:37] <zul> pete01: it is sunday and most people are away
[20:38] <pete01> ok, just need to find something to convert my cvsnt repos to svn, so i can retain the repos history
[20:38] <pete01> zul: i guessed :)
[20:38] <fujin_> agh
[20:38] <fujin_> didn't you say the server died?
[20:38] <pete01> yep
[20:39] <fujin_> storage is still ok then?
[20:39] <pete01> i managed to recover the repos though
[20:39] <pete01> yes
[20:39] <fujin_> I see.
[20:39] <fujin_> Sorry, I
[20:39] <fujin_> 've
[20:39] <fujin_> long since purged all memories of CVS
[20:39]  * fujin_ cringes
[20:39] <pete01> no problem, i just got dumped with rebuilding the dev server
[20:40] <pete01> and don't have that much exp with the admin side of things
[20:41] <pete01> ok, ill leave you be, thanks


[08:07] <fta2> unity 3d doesn't start this morning after an upgrade.. fallbacks to a half backed -2d
[08:07] <fta2> unity_support_test shows a "BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)"
[11:32] <desktop2> hi
[11:33] <desktop2> anyone there
[11:33] <desktop2> hi
[11:33] <desktop2> hi
[14:47] <micahg> pitti: re firefox-locale and breaks, it's not so simple, wouldn't it be possible to then remove firefox from the system on partial upgrades?
[14:48] <micahg> normally you'd have a depends and a breaks, do we still need the langpack to pull in the firefox locale in oneiric?
[14:50] <pitti> micahg: right, you'd need to upgrade it or remove it; I thought that's what you want?
[14:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ^
[14:51] <pitti> micahg: yes, I think we need langpack depends: ffox-locale-XX, as otherwise nothing will pull in f-locale-X on upgrade
[14:51] <micahg> pitti: does language-selector not do any magic on upgrade?
[14:52] <pitti> no, l-s is not involved in the upgrade process
[14:52] <micahg> how do people get other language dependencies on upgrades?
[14:55] <pitti> they don't really
[14:55] <micahg> ok
[14:55] <pitti> only on fresh installs
[14:56] <pitti> or when they run language-selector
[14:56] <micahg> pitti: yeah, so I don't think breaks like that is going to work
[14:56] <pitti> micahg: once we fix bug 396414, this will get eaier
[14:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 396414 in language-selector "When KDE or gnome apps get installed, the corresponding language-packs should be pulled automatically" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396414
[14:56] <pitti> easier
[14:56] <micahg> so, I'm just going to remove the depends on firefox unless we have a better solution before alpha2
[14:56] <pitti> that seems fine
[14:57] <pitti> I don't think it breaks anything to have firefox 4 and ffox-locale-XX installed
[14:57] <micahg> worst case as far is firefox concerned is the langpack will be disabled until they upgrade to the proper version
[14:57] <micahg> pitti: right
[14:57] <pitti> but that's the kind of stuff you get with a partial upgrade
[14:57] <micahg> I think that's better than removing firefox out from under the user
[14:58] <pitti> fully agree; chrisccoulson didn't seem to like that
[14:58] <micahg> pitti: which piece didn't he like?
[14:58] <pitti> I'm not sure
[14:58] <pitti> probably being able to install ffox-locale with ffox 4?
[14:59] <micahg> yeah, not ideal since the user will lose the translations until they upgrade, but I think that's the lesser of the two evils
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> the issue with having incompatible versions installed is that we have users who keep installing the addon compatibility reporter, and that disables the compat check on language packs
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> so the old langpacks load and completely break the interface
[14:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, but the alternative is the possibility of uninstalling firefox in a partial upgrade
[15:00] <micahg> and if people install 3rd party addons, all bets are off in any event
[15:00] <micahg> (at least to the extent we can't be responsible)
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> right, but that doesn't mean we can't ignore it
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> we get quite a few bug reports with this issue in every upgrade now
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> oops
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> doesn't mean we *can* ignore it ;)
[15:03] <micahg> well, the alternative is that the recommended locale binary won't get installed
[15:04] <micahg> for users w/out other depends on firefox, on installs without a depends on firefox, firefox would probably get removed
[15:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.oneiric
[15:05] <pitti> chrisccoulson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[15:27] <pitti> seb128: apport by default for a2?
[15:44] <pitti> cyphermox: echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[16:29] <mterry> pitti, bug 803519
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 803519 in xdg-user-dirs "Use Unity as a registered XDG environment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803519
[17:25] <fta> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-fr_1%3a11.10+20110630_all.deb (--unpack):
[17:25] <fta>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-sound.mo', which is also in package language-pack-fr 1:11.10+20110630
[17:25] <fta> pitti, ^^
[17:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, hi
[17:37] <seb128> fta, can you open a bug against langpackomatic?
[17:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, what is the usecase you have a language selection on the logic screen?
[17:40] <desrt> seb128: german hard logic vs. french fuzzy logic
[18:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: I suppose it basically is people who want to be able to use more than one language, and if they know which language at login, they don't need to log out + log in after having set it in l-s.
[18:04] <GunnarHj> But I'd like to see this detail in a wider perspective. For many non-English users this detail is important. The desired growth in Ubuntu users (-> 200 miljon) probably means that a higher percentage - compared with today - will consider a language-chooser a useful tool.
[18:04] <GunnarHj> As regards old Ubuntu users, they are used to the language chooser. Consequently, dropping the language chooser in LightDM would be considered a regression due to the change of default display manager.
[18:05] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, I'm a non native english user
[18:05] <seb128> but I don't see the point of changing languages often, I usually just use my native language
[18:08] <GunnarHj> seb128: I don't change often either, but people behave differently. And in any case it sends a signal that we care about non-English users.
[18:08] <GunnarHj> Would it do any harm to keep providing the feature?
[18:09] <seb128> we do care about them but the recommended way would be to change from the language selector
[18:10] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure, l-s is the principal tool for setting languages and locales. The current language chooser on the login screen is a supplement.
[18:10] <seb128> well, it can be discussed, but it would be nice ot understand the usecase for switching locale often
[18:10] <seb128> if there is a real world usecase out of "translators doing testing" it could for sure be there
[18:11] <seb128> there is just no point to clutter the ui for an option that 99% of users don't use
[18:11] <afv> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-en_1%3a11.10+20110630_all.deb (--unpack):
[18:11] <afv> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-sound.mo', which is also in package language-pack-en 1:11.10+20110630
[18:11] <seb128> afv, known issue
[18:12] <afv> ok ;)
[18:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: It has been there for a long time. Has anybody complained? Btw, talking about often... How often does the average user switch session type?
[18:13] <seb128> yeah, maybe it should not be there as well
[18:13] <seb128> not sure if the new greater design have it
[18:14] <seb128> ok, got to go but please start the discussion on the list
[18:14] <seb128> it's not because we are used to a workflow that it's the best one ;-)
[18:14] <seb128> but that need some discussion and thinking
[18:14] <afv> hmm, by the way i noticed that the latest gdm3 doesn't have the language chooser too (or i didn't see it)
[18:14] <seb128> bbl
[18:14] <seb128> right, GNOME dropped that as well
[18:18] <afv> is anyone noticing this 1px menu with some themes? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/659315/screenshots/2011.07.01_menu_visible_2.png
[18:23] <afv> well, nevermind, just switched from Adwance to Radiance and it's fine
[18:51] <fta> afv, issue now known as bug 804449
[18:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804449 in langpack-o-matic "overwrite file in other debs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804449
[18:57] <afv> thx
[20:44] <pitti> fta: thanks, I'm on it now
[20:44] <fta> pitti, \o/ (it's 804449 in case you missed it)