[19:57] <Seren> it might add "dolphin" to your list
[19:57] <lovre> hmm
[19:57] <Seren> it is in Catalogs\Program catalog
[19:57] <lovre> i see
[19:57] <lovre> it added a line, but it has some options that make it not work
[19:57] <Troofy> is there a way to emulate the pci port into a usb or com port. (the computer will see the pci port as com or usb port) ?
[19:58] <lovre> dolphin %i %m -caption %c
[19:58] <lovre> that is the string used to run dolphin when folder is clicked i suppose
[19:58] <lovre> :S
[19:59] <Seren> from kdemenuedit
[19:59] <Seren> I see that I am running : d3lphin %i -caption "%c" "%u"
[19:59] <Seren> when I click on the link
[20:00] <Seren> dolphin is a symbolic link to d3lphin
[20:01] <lovre> Seren: you are right. I solved it
[20:01] <Seren> I don't know if it has any consequence on the way katapult work
[20:02] <lovre> Seren: the problem was, there was dolphin and d3lphin. dolphin was pointing to nothing since there is no dolphin. I deleted it and now running "d3lphin" from katapult works
[20:02] <lovre> im used to writing "dolphin"  but i will get used to it
[20:02] <lovre> i just have to write d3 :D
[20:02] <Troofy> how to chant apt to use a proxy instead , to download apps?
[20:03] <Seren> you could probably try to create a symbolic link from /usr/bin/dolphin -> /usr/bin/d3lphin
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: let me get link...
[20:03] <lovre> Seren: that should work...
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto#head-09fab4df311ef78d0376d13547043811307c49fa
[20:04] <lovre> Seren: do you know why "//home/user/" works same as "/home/user/"
[20:04] <Seren> no
[20:04] <lovre> Seren: i put two slashes at the beginning by mistake, but it seems to work. I dont want to build it again if it works like this looool
[20:04] <Troofy> Odd-rationale how to undo method 1 ?
[20:06] <pteague> how do i get kde to realize my samba shared printer is not on mshome?
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: I'm not sure. It says it is temporary. so it probably won't persist after reboot or somthing...
[20:09] <Troofy> Odd-rationale i does. i have added it in a file. i dont remember where?
[20:09] <Seren> pteague > if you launch the kde printer setup tool you can scan other networks than mshome as far as I remember
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: method 2? or 3?
[20:10] <jimmy51vinsky> i just booted and installed kubuntu amd64 7.10.  is there any way to make sure i'm actually running in 64 bit?
[20:10] <stefan-f> when I have a partimage image, can I have a restore on a different machine?
[20:11] <Troofy> Odd-rationale got i t. i add it in : /etc/bash.bashrc  . i just del it
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> Troofy: ok
[20:11] <Troofy> Odd-rationale thank:)
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> np
[20:12] <Seren> jimmy51vinsky: try "uname -a" in console
[20:12] <Seren> it should say somewhere that  you are using a x64 kernel
[20:12] <jimmy51vinsky> x86_64 reported.  thanks Seren
[20:14] <Nyad> Hi. I was just wondering about this. KDE4.1 is scheduled for either July or August Im not too sure when. and Hardy is out in 21days. so then we won't be getting 4.1 and will have to upgrade ourselves right?
[20:14] <Seren> Nyad: you are right
[20:14] <adz21c> Nyad: i would think thats the case
[20:14] <Nyad> :(
[20:15] <adz21c> Nyad: however u would think the same for 4.0 on gutsy so maybe someone will ppa it
[20:15] <Seren> kde 4.1 will probably be the default for intrepid ibex
[20:15] <Nyad> ppa?
[20:15] <Seren> so you have to patient 6 more months
[20:15] <Nyad> whats intrepid ibex?
[20:15] <so> hola
[20:15] <Seren> novembre release of (K)ubuntu
[20:16] <Seren> but there will be backports to hardy heron in the mean time
[20:16] <Seren> you can already try kde 4.0.3 on gutsy or hardy, but it is not stable
[20:17] <Troofy> how to know what distro or os iam using?
[20:17] <Nyad> yeah I have 4.03 but a number of things don't work
[20:18] <Seren> troofy : cat /etc/apt/sources.list should tell you in which repositories you are taking your packets
[20:19] <Seren> and uname -a which kernel you are running
[20:20] <stefan-f> Troffy: lsb_release -a
[20:20] <Seren> if those commands does not work you are not on a Unix based system :p
[20:20] <pteague> how do i get kde to realize that i'm not a part of the mshome workgroup?  my /etc/samba/smb.conf doesn't even have a reference to mshome
[20:20] <Seren> pteague : "launch "kcontrol" there is a samba section
[20:21] <Seren> in Internet & network
[20:21] <venik> I am struggling with PERMISSIONS for a USB hard drive.  The fstab entry for it reads:
[20:22] <venik>   /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE auto users,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[20:22] <pteague> Seren> ok, looking in there without clicking the administrator mode button the workgroup is the correct workgroup that is in my /etc/samba/smb.conf file... which is *not* mshome
[20:22] <venik> but when I try to write to it, it denies me access
[20:22] <venik> I tried: any user can read or write, etc., but nothing changes
[20:23] <Seren> pteague : I think that kubuntu (kde ?) use another file next to smb.conf to configure samba ( but no idea where it is, in .kde maybe )
[20:24] <pteague> Seren> in network settings -> domain name system tab maybe? that's set to be exactly the same as my smb workgroup :(
[20:25] <Seren> pteague : FYI I didn't manage to install a printer which is on the windows machine next to me, so I am probably not the best person to help you.
[20:25] <Seren> ( It works once and now I can't even "see" the printer )
[20:25] <pteague> sad thing is this was much easier to do under gnome...
[20:28] <pteague> unfortunately if i put in the correct workgroup name & the correct server name apparently there is no way in hell that it can scan those or give me a list of options... i automatically have to know exactly the name of the printer... i can't even connect via smb protocol in konqueror (why the hell does dolphin keep wanting this privilege?) to give me a list of printers... it'll only give me a list of shared folders
[20:28] <venik> any help available for writing/erasing permission on a USB external hard drive?  It refuses to allow me writing privileges
[20:28] <Seren> venik : your external drive is formated in ntfs probably
[20:28] <Seren> do you have ntfs-3g installed ?
[20:28] <venik> Vfat
[20:29] <Seren> can you natively write to vfat with ubuntu ?
[20:29] <venik> it USED to work just fine, and I have not reformatted it.  But I did have to modify the fstab file, since the system started ignoring this drive
[20:29] <venik> I think Vfat is fat32
[20:30] <Seren> ok
[20:30] <Troofy> Seren ok
[20:33] <Troofy> dpkg: error processing heimdal-kdc (--configure):
[20:33] <Troofy>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:33] <Troofy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:33] <Troofy>  heimdal-kdc
[20:33] <Troofy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:37] <snikker>  i'm unable to get songs titles (audio-cd) with amarok 1.4.8 (on kubuntu 7.10) can you help me?
[20:38] <Troofy> dpkg: error processing heimdal-kdc (--configure):  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1  Errors were encountered while processing: heimdal-kdc
[20:38] <Troofy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:41] <root> hola
[20:45] <Griz> Hey Gang. Gutsy on PPC. Can I upgrade from Edgy to Gutsy, via the CD? or do I need to boot the machine to the cd and reinstall?
[20:46] <emilsedgh> Griz: you need the alternate disc to upgrade or you could download all packages
[20:46] <emilsedgh> !alternate
[20:46] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[20:47] <Xcerca> if i copy a xorg.conf that worked in one debian distro to kubutnu should it work...  assuming the paths are the same and modules are already loaded ?
[20:48] <Seren> emilsedgh: what happen if the new version of package is not on the alternate CD ?
[20:48] <Xcerca> or would it be any diff ?
[20:48] <Griz> emilsedgh, ouch. :-(  the standard CD took forever. Oh Well.
[20:48] <Seren> does it cancel the install ?
[20:49] <emilsedgh> Seren: it will just not ugrade i think
[20:49] <Seren> griz > if you are patient enough you can get a CD through ship it
[20:50] <Griz> Seren, hahahaha. Thank You but no. The client doesn't want to wait. You know how they can be. :-\
[20:50] <Seren> I don't know if they ship alternate CD though
[20:50]  * Signil is away: Gone away for now.
[20:55] <Xcerca> can anyone help me with nvidia-setting , i am trying to add another resolution 1360x768 , anyway to add a metamode in my xorg.conf ?  the edges of the display are spilling of of the monitor and i can't see thinks too well ?  i have a xorg.conf that worked in another debian distro..
[20:58] <bechtel> hi habe n problem beim installieren von opera kann mir jmd helfen ?
[20:59] <Bauldrick> hi - I can't get ktorrent to download faster than 10KB
[20:59] <jussio1> !de | bechtel
[20:59] <ubotu> bechtel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:01] <bechtel> thx @ ubitu -> sry @ jussio
[21:01] <sourcemaker> which kde version are you using? kde3 or kde4?
[21:02] <Bauldrick> sourcemaker: me? kde3 (4 is installed though)
[21:14] <Xcerca> anybody installed grub-gfx ?
[21:14] <Xcerca> thats the program fro graphical grub menus correct ?
[21:15] <ubuntu> is it possible to eject a cd tray from over a samba network?
[21:17] <sculework> unlikely
[21:17] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: no.
[21:20] <Nyad> How do I uninstall my Nvidia drivers?
[21:21] <Xcerca> Nyad  why do you need to do that?       apt-get remove nvidia
[21:21] <pteague> where are screenshots saved?
[21:22] <Nyad> Xcerca: your right, I don't tnx
[21:22] <Xcerca> Nyad   , have you used nvidia-settings at all,  i'm trying to add a higher res.. ?
[21:23] <Nyad> the nvidia x-config app?
[21:23] <Nyad> yes
[21:23] <Xcerca> is that what you use nvidia x-config ?
[21:23] <moises> ola galera boa tarde
[21:23] <Xcerca> i haven't tried that
[21:23] <moises> como uso o konpete?
[21:23] <Nyad> Xcerca: it should be in the Kmenu
[21:24] <Xcerca> i've always had to konsole    sudo nvidia-settings
[21:25] <Xcerca> but it doesn't have the res for my screen, which is 1360x768
[21:27] <pteague> anybody know how i can configure the system tray?  i've got 2 different sized xchat icons & the icons in the system tray aren't collapsing into 2 rows
[21:27] <Nyad> Xcerca:  well Im not too sure but try get it to detect your monitor Type or something like that
[21:27] <Nyad> then it might be available
[21:30] <Xcerca> anyody know how to install the grub-gfx package,  i don't even know if thats what its called,  but nothings showing up in synaptic
[21:31] <genii> Xcerca: Perhaps you're thinking of grub-splashimages
[21:32] <Xcerca> is that for changing grub from the boring menu to a not boring menu ?
[21:32] <Xcerca> i thought it was called grub-gfx for some reason...  huu
[21:34] <_myrtille_> !de
[21:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:37] <pteague> is there a way to get the clock applet to show me utc instead of local time?
[21:39] <Jucato> pteague: right-click -> Show Timezone
[21:39] <pteague> nm
[21:39] <Jucato> :)
[21:39] <pteague> yeah, i found out i had to add it as a time zone, then i could do that
[21:39] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  How do I restart my sound server?
[21:40] <pteague> i'm not liking the 'UTC' attached at the end... i've got 2 clocks right next to each other... 1 to show local & the other for UTC... i think i know which is which
[21:41] <Jucato> pteague: when you hover your mouse over the clock, you can see the time in all the timezones you setup
[21:42] <Troofy> when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help?
[21:42] <pleaseandthankyo> have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police helps them.
[21:42] <pteague> yeah, but i want an at a glance...
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> !ops
[21:43] <ubotu> Help!  See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[21:45] <Ace2016> !32
[21:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:45] <Ace2016> :(
[21:45] <Ace2016> thats so unfair
[21:46] <ryanakca> !java64 | Xbehave
[21:46] <ubotu> Xbehave: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[21:46] <ryanakca> Xbehave: you'll want to read that too
[21:46] <Ace2016> is there a list of apps which have problems on 64bit?
[21:46] <Troofy> when i try to configure wine by settings>wine this appears. http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4903/snapshot1yd5.png any help?
[21:47] <Dark-Alien-Core> hello guys can you help me please i have an problem with my background i cant change it
[21:47] <Xbehave> thx ill read that but theres no java plugin for 64 (well official sun anyway) and im only wanting it for azureus
[21:47] <ryanakca> Dark-Alien-Core: can you right click your desktop, configure desktop, background?
[21:48] <Dark-Alien-Core> yes i have it i can change but it dont work
[21:48] <Dark-Alien-Core> my picture is on the dektop and when i eraise is it then my desktop is blue :(
[21:49] <Xbehave> Dark-Alien-Core: id this a recuring problem or has it just happend?
[21:50] <Dark-Alien-Core> hm it came for 2 weeks ago
[21:50] <Dark-Alien-Core> i have nothing do
[21:50] <JAM> i'm on the 8.04 beta and aMSN doesn't work D:
[21:51] <JAM> keeps complaining about TLS
[21:51] <jack_spratt> the learning sepulchre?
[21:51] <Xbehave> hmm well its not just that the desktop drawing program has crashed them, thats all my knowledge gone
[21:52] <Dark-Alien-Core> ok so what can i do
[21:52] <Dark-Alien-Core> ohh
[21:53] <Dark-Alien-Core> ok i have copy an other picture to my desktop and have rename it to the old picture and he has change it lol
[21:55] <JasonWard> how do I download the kernel header files for installing my nvidia drivers
[21:55] <Troofy> can some one  help?  W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com gutsy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>7EE263
[22:10] <JuJuBee> My audio setting keep reverting back to "muted" after I shut down.  How do I fix this?
[22:21] <gmatyi> hi
[22:21] <bobleny> Any one know of a good partitioning tool?
[22:21] <BonesolTeraDyne> bobleny: GParted
[22:22] <RogueJediX> bobleny: qtparted
[22:23] <bobleny> Ok, thanks! I'll take a look...
[22:23] <jack_spratt> acronis
[22:26] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having a trouble with my video; when I try to play it (in any video player) the video will not play; I can hear sound, but I only get a screen with random colours on it for an image.  Can anyone help me out?
[22:27] <cracko> hmm maybe problem with codecs ??
[22:27] <Ch1ppy> no; I've had this problem before, and it goes away if I restart
[22:27] <Ch1ppy> however, restarting seems like overkill as a solution ;)
[22:28] <jack_spratt> not enough vram?
[22:28] <Ch1ppy> I've got more than enough
[22:29] <Ch1ppy> oh hey; video works in mplayer, but not in kaffeine, vlc, Movie Player or gxine
[22:29] <Ch1ppy> still, I'd like to get it working in those others; I strongly dislike mplayer
[22:29] <emil_> hi all
[22:29] <jack_spratt> sounds like codecs, one app using one codec antother using another
[22:30] <Ch1ppy> hm
[22:30] <rony> sera a tutti
[22:30] <jack_spratt> dont know why restarting would help,  there are possible explanations
[22:30] <jack_spratt> you can try reinstalling codecs or players and see if that helps ch1ppy
[22:31] <rony> sera
[22:31] <Ch1ppy> I just went through all my running programs; the only one that would be using ANY codecs is amarok, and I don't think that would do it
[22:32] <emil_> who made fundamentals of linux?
[22:33] <jack_spratt> emil_: linus himself
[22:33] <jack_spratt> as a student in finland i believe
[22:34] <jack_spratt> wrote it. but depends what you mean by linux and fundamentals :)
[22:36] <Ch1ppy> ...Does anyone know why X would be using up 400MB of RAM?
[22:38] <jack_spratt> because its buggy?
[22:38] <jack_spratt> logout and in
[22:39] <Ch1ppy> haha
[22:39] <Ch1ppy> k
[22:43] <emil_> i refer who made in this chat
[22:46] <timewriter> hi
[22:46] <timewriter> anyone knows how to install a new KDE theme
[22:47] <Ace2016> yea
[22:47] <Ace2016> download it
[22:47] <timewriter> i did
[22:47] <Ace2016> extract it
[22:47] <timewriter> i have the tar.gz on my desktop
[22:47] <timewriter> ok
[22:47] <Ace2016> tar -xvzf file.tar.gz
[22:47] <timewriter> i did that
[22:48] <Ace2016> ok then read the README file
[22:48] <Ace2016> which theme is this?
[22:48] <timewriter> AZENIS
[22:48] <Ace2016> or INSTALL
[22:48] <timewriter> and it has no readme
[22:48] <timewriter> otherwise i wont be here asking for this
[22:48] <timewriter> no install
[22:48] <Ace2016> does    ./configure --prefix=/usr  work?
[22:48] <timewriter> no
[22:48] <timewriter> there are no binaries
[22:49] <Ace2016> let me see
[22:49] <Ace2016> link to theme page?
[22:49] <timewriter> 2 secs
[22:50] <timewriter> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150
[22:50] <timewriter> this is it
[22:50] <Ace2016> rapidshare download link? wonder why
[22:50] <timewriter> i dont know
[22:51] <timewriter> kde-look.org and gnome-look.org both have low bw
[22:51] <timewriter> maybe thats why
[22:52] <Ace2016> this isn't a kde style
[22:52] <timewriter> what then
[22:53] <cracko> try with deKorator
[22:53] <timewriter> do i have it ?
[22:54] <cracko> hmm it's in repositories so shouldn't be problem with installing :)
[22:54] <timewriter> not there tho
[22:54] <timewriter> rpmdrake doesnt find it
[22:55] <cracko> you can download it from kde-look
[22:56] <timewriter> checking now
[22:56] <timewriter> is it a memory hog ?
[22:56] <Ace2016> rpmdrake???
[22:56] <timewriter> rpmdrake for add/remove software
[22:56] <timewriter> lol 404
[22:57] <timewriter> i quit
[22:57] <timewriter> =)
[22:57] <cracko> when you got that installed untar the windeco then you need to add the path manually
[22:57] <Ark1> hello, i am having a slight problem: last time i installed kubuntu on my laptop (dv9205us HP), a box came up on my first boot up and told me i have restricted drivers that could be installed(my nvdia graphics card and my broadcomm wireless) then they worked perfectly once i clicked install. But now on my second install (same version same laptop) the box is not popping up
[22:58] <timewriter> weird
[23:06] <philipp_> may someone type "nc <IP_ADDRESS> 5432 -vv" in the terminal and try to contact me
[23:07] <philipp_> please
[23:08] <cracko> philipp_:
[23:09] <cracko> chello084113019095.6.12.vie.surfer.at [<IP_ADDRESS>] 5432 (postgresql) : Connection refused
[23:12] <bobleny> I have a live CD of a program... If I copy the contents of the CD, keeping its file architecture, to my flash drive, would I be able to run the program off of my flash drive?
[23:16] <bobleny> Any one know of a way to read an ISO without burning it?
[23:19] <bobleny> Is anyone actually here?
[23:20] <oubelhamid> hi
[23:20] <_myrtille_> yes :D but i don't know anything ;)
[23:20] <bobleny> Hi!
[23:20] <oubelhamid> you can spek frensh plz
[23:21] <Pici> !fr | oubelhamid
[23:21] <ubotu> oubelhamid: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[23:21] <bobleny> I can speak English, sorta...
[23:22] <_myrtille_> bobenly: I'm pretty sure you can mount iso-images without burning them... but i don't know how... so i don't think i'm of much use ;)
[23:22] <oubelhamid> hi
[23:23] <oubelhamid> you know kubuntu
[23:23] <oubelhamid> help me
[23:23] <bobleny> Yes...
[23:23] <oubelhamid> i can't install the pacage
[23:23] <bobleny> Why not?
[23:24] <axel> Hello! How to exclude an packet from being updated by "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[23:25] <vit> Se produjo un error al cargar file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/03 Pista 3.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/05-nigga-te_quiero-prt(2).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/123w y y - mami tu me domi.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/1amor nelson velasquez000.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/33.-Tiraera (remix).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Celin dion.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/changa krte.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Changa
[23:25] <vit> trance.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/com).mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/cucuta.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/don omar - cancion de am0r lite.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/El Cambio.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/el pollo.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/El Tra.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis crespo-llore y llore.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis_crespo-mi_fracaso.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/elvis crespo -
[23:25] <vit> ven.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/En Tension.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/fans.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/haora es.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Klico.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/nelson velasque amame haora.wmafile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/nelson_velasquez_1_casualidad.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/pa ti.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/PERDIDOS.mp3file:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 01.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista
[23:25] <vit> 02.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 03.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 04.ofile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 04.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 05.ofile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 05.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 06.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 07.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 08.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista 09.oggfile:///home/vit/Desktop/Music/Pista
[23:25] <_myrtille_> !pastebin
[23:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:25] <pteague> thank you LjL
[23:25] <_myrtille_> !es
[23:25] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:26] <pteague> axel> i know there's a way, but i'm not sure via console... let me check something
[23:26] <axel> Background: I compiled KMyMoney from source to be able to use it for online-banking. But now it is shown that it should be updated again.
[23:26] <axel> pteague: Thanks. OK.
[23:26] <oubelhamid> i can(t install realplayer 11
[23:26] <oubelhamid> just 10
[23:26] <oubelhamid> ????
[23:26] <_myrtille_> bobleny: just recalled, somebody posted a little script to mount and unmount isoimages... i found it. :D
[23:26] <_myrtille_> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/892133
[23:27] <Nyad> Hi. I just installed another linux distro and I want to add a chainloader to its grub which I installed to it's root partition. I am in grub/menu.lst but what do I do? the device its on is sdb5
[23:28] <pteague> axel> in synaptic you can select the package you want & then package -> lock version
[23:28] <pteague> is there anything that makes firefox friendlier in kde?
[23:29] <nowhere> hi folks. is there a nice tool to manage lvms?
[23:29] <oubelhamid> but it's nessecary to updated package in adept
[23:29] <oubelhamid> ??
[23:30] <axel> pteague: Thanks. I'll chek it. What do you mean by more firendly?
[23:30] <oubelhamid> because i just install kubuntu
[23:30] <n72poyyo> hallo everyone!!
[23:30] <n72poyyo> i got a little prob here...
[23:30] <ktownhero> hola!
[23:31] <pteague> i changed something in my theme & firefox crashed... it also seems to be eating up a bit more resources under kde than it was under gnome, but maybe that's just the way the resource managers present things
[23:31] <ktownhero> so what's the prob?
[23:32] <n72poyyo> you know what do I need to have sound? I just installed the Gutsy 7.10 and got the kmix icon red crossed
[23:32] <n72poyyo> :(
[23:32] <ktownhero> hmm
[23:33] <ktownhero> somebody with more experience will have to help you with that one, sorry
[23:34] <n72poyyo> aright, thnx!
[23:34] <n72poyyo> someone else can help me??
[23:34] <n72poyyo> auuuu !!!
[23:34] <ktownhero> i'm not well versed in manually setting up devices yet
[23:36] <pteague> anybody know if there's a timer applet or something for kde?
[23:37] <pteague> nm, found it, was looking at wrong thing ;)
[23:40] <n72poyyo> i dont have sound on my 7.10 Gutsy, and i already installed all the plugins...
[23:40] <fdghfg> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:40] <axel> pteague: Thanks. But it seems to work for synaptic only not for the adept manager. The Problem still exists.
[23:40] <n72poyyo> any suggestion?
[23:40] <nite613> I
[23:40] <axel> n72poyyo: What hardware do you use?
[23:41] <pteague> axel> oh, you're trying to block adept? hmm...  there may be a way to do something similar in the aptitude gui
[23:41] <nite613> Looking for a way to mount a samba share at login with an interactive pasword prompt
[23:42] <Nyad> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:42] <n72poyyo> is an alsa card
[23:42] <nite613> I know how to mount by puting an smbfs entry in /etc/fstab, but I don't want to include the username and password in the file, is there a way to get prompted for the u/p on KDE login and have it mounted
[23:42] <n72poyyo> not a bigt hing really
[23:43] <n72poyyo> thing* sorry
[23:45] <pteague> ok, ktimer apparently isn't what i was looking for... anybody know of anything similar to timer-applet for kde?  i just want to set a time (2 minutes, an hour, etc) & let it count down
[23:45] <Nyad> Hi I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:46] <Amine_D> I need the DVD version
[23:46] <Amine_D> of kubuntu
[23:46] <jackault> I'm having an insane time trying to find some documentation for Keep (the program for backups in kde) what does the --ssh-no-compression option do?
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> jackault: man rdiff-backup
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> keep is a frontend to rdiff-backup
[23:47] <jackault> ah. thanks
[23:47] <Nyad> am I invisible?
[23:47] <cracko> no
[23:48] <Nyad> can't anybody help me?
[23:48] <Nyad> I just installed Suse linux into sdb5. How do I make kubuntu's grub see it?
[23:48] <thoreauputic> pteague: not for KDE specifically, but have a look at http://interlink.webhop.org/timer_script.html
[23:49] <_myrtille_> pteague: karm might also do the trick
[23:49] <axel> pteague: I am now in the german aptitude (text-)gui. What's the difference between Packet>hold bach (zurückhalten in German) and Packet>Maintain (beibehalten in German?
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> !grub
[23:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> Nyad: see the grub howto page ^^
[23:49] <thoreauputic> pteague: sorry that's a 404 - try http://thoreauputic.boinc.ch//Timer_Script.html
[23:49] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: thanks
[23:50] <n72poyyo> what is the command to see the sound device that I got?
[23:50] <axel> pteague: I meant: Packet>hold bacK.
[23:50] <pteague> axel> honestly i don't remember... i think hold back forces the hold & maintain will only update it if some other package requires it to be updated...  but don't quote me on that, i've not used it in a while
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> n72poyyo: lspci ?
[23:51] <thoreauputic> n72poyyo: try  lspci | grep -i audio
[23:51] <thoreauputic> or just lspci, yes
[23:51] <_myrtille_> pteague: just havin a silly thought: kteatimer does a countdown and gives a nice peep when time expires :D if you don't need anything sofisticated that would also be a possibility
[23:51] <n72poyyo> got it, thnx!
[23:53] <pteague> _myrtille_> that might actually work... all i need it to do is count down from whatever time frame i give it & do a popup &/or make a sound
[23:53] <pteague> _myrtille_> it's how i keep track of certain time sensitive things in game
[23:53] <_myrtille_> *g*
[23:54] <axel> pteague: neither "hold back" nor "maintain" worked.
[23:54] <_myrtille_> that should be possible: you can enter any time you want, it does a countdown and finally it makes a little beeping noise.. i don't know if you can customize the soind
[23:54] <Nyad> Odd-rationale: when I am doing a chainloader is it always +1, coz my MSwin part is +1, must suse be +2?
[23:55] <n72poyyo> ok.. know is worse !!jajajaja
[23:55] <thoreauputic> Nyad: no, the +1 works for other partitions too - as long as they have a bootloader on them
[23:55] <n72poyyo> "unknown device"
[23:55] <n72poyyo> jajaja
[23:55] <Nyad> thanks
[23:55] <_myrtille_> pteague: actually you can even change the sound, just checked. :D kteatime can be found in the repositories, i think
[23:56] <basy> hi what can i use to capture avi from webcamera?
[23:56] <thoreauputic> bah, nobody likes my timer!
[23:56] <thoreauputic> ;)
[23:56] <_myrtille_> sorry ;)
[23:56] <thoreauputic> heheh
[23:57] <thoreauputic> I use it mainly so I won't forget that I have something cooking :)
[23:57] <pteague> _myrtille_> yep, got it installed... i'm trying to figure out where to find it in kmenu tho...
[23:58] <_myrtille_> pteague: no idea, sorry. :D Just start it and configure it via a rightclick->options :D
[23:59] <linux3r> whats latest kernel version?


[07:33] <duflu> seb128, Morning. If you are still looking at pulseaudio git, beware I just made a change
[08:09] <willcooke> morning
[08:10] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:10] <seb128> hey willcooke duflu
[08:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:11] <willcooke> Happy Friday!
[08:11] <duflu> Indeed it will be if I complete today without anything starting with G
[08:11] <seb128> happy friday indeed!
[08:11] <willcooke> duflu, lol
[08:13] <seb128> duflu, noted for pulseaudio, I started on changes but it's less trivial that I though so I need to go back to it, https://git.launchpad.net/~seb128/pulseaudio/commit/?id=60fe1e5e
[08:13] <seb128> duflu, that doesn't build because the snappy patch relies on changes from the trust store changeset
[08:14] <duflu> seb128, oh I am working on similar right now (decided
[08:14] <duflu> to recently)
[08:14] <seb128> duflu, oh ok, well feel free to take over, I doubt I'm going to have time to continue that today
[08:15] <duflu> seb128, it's just for a PPA experiment so we shall see
[08:15] <seb128> duflu, the android changeset can probably be dropped as well, I'm less sure about the hfp since I don't know about that topic
[08:15] <duflu> seb128, yes that's the goal. We introduced a pile of Bluetooth audio changes for touch. And that makes me nervous given Debian has zero patches to upstream
[08:16] <seb128> right
[08:45] <willcooke> duflu, just playing with the video accel link you sent me yesterday, where do I get vaapidecodebin?  It says "no element vaapidecodebin" atm
[08:46] <duflu> willcooke, ?! that should be installed with gstreamer1.0-vaapi
[08:47] <willcooke> humm
[08:47] <willcooke> it didnt have that installed
[08:47] <willcooke> but pretty sure I installed it to test before
[08:47] <willcooke> odd
[08:47] <willcooke> but thanks
[08:48] <duflu> willcooke, the actual file name is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gstreamer-1.0/libgstvaapi.so
[08:48] <willcooke> thx
[08:49] <willcooke> works now
[08:49] <willcooke> although, no sound, but meh
[08:49] <duflu> willcooke, yeah sound is the job of the "bad" and "ugly" plugin sets
[08:49] <willcooke> duflu, ahhh
[08:49] <willcooke> got it
[09:01] <willcooke> seb128, hmmm- seeing systemd-resolved and dnsmasq using all my CPU - looks like they are fighting
[09:04] <willcooke> I'll see if I can find out how to reproduce this
[09:05] <willcooke> ah, could be because I manually installed it, instead of -base the other day
[09:06] <seb128> willcooke, still worth reporting if that's confirmed, the packaging should prevent you to install them together if they conflict
[09:07] <willcooke> ack
[09:08] <Laney> hi
[09:08] <willcooke> hey Laney
[09:14] <amano> I wonder if Dustin Kirklands poll will lead to another default video player in Ubuntu. Totem seems highly unpopular as the Mate poll on google+ showed: https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/fqHnF51BbDh
[09:16] <amano> It seems that Martin Wimpress would have preferred MPV instead of VLC ;)
[09:17] <amano> But people are not voting that way. At least Totem isn't deemed a contender.
[09:18] <duflu> amano, I'm working on fixing totem right now :) Interesting if VLC became default because I have never yet seen it do hardware decoding properly. Maybe haven't tried hard enough
[09:23] <amano> I would be fine with MPV as the default. VLC would bring in all those QT dependencies that nobody is really aiming at...
[09:24] <amano> The missing decorations on Wayland could be renamed a feature ;)
[09:25] <amano> Let's wait and see ;)
[09:26] <andyrock> morning
[09:26] <willcooke> hi andyrock
[10:13]  * Trevinho finally in a stable location for few days... Hello Belgrade!
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> what do people not like about totem? It seems to do what I expect from a default video player, in a fairly inoffensive way
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> better still, it works on high dpi screens. VLC looks fairly bad there (at least, on my zesty install)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> There's still plenty of issues for high dpi users - please don't regress things by replacing apps that currently work fine with ones that don't :)
[10:37] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[10:37] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, could you do your autopkgtest magic with this build https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/8115487/+listing-archive-extra
[12:06] <jbicha> ricotz: could you ask again in a couple days when https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running isn't full?
[12:08] <ricotz> jbicha, hmm, I see, is there a guide to run them locally in some container?
[12:13] <jbicha> ricotz: maybe try https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/unstable/autopkgtest/index.html ?
[12:15] <ricotz> jbicha, will look into it
[16:22] <seb128> have a good w.e desktopers
[16:22] <willcooke_> night seb128
[16:55] <willcooke_> night all, see some of you Monday!
[17:56] <andyrock> have a nice we all!


[00:06] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, you're on slashdot now ;)
[00:06] <ogra_> yep, just linked my blog there
[00:11] <mdeslaur> ogra_: dude, rainbows and unicorns from now on :)
[00:11] <ogra_> haha
[00:13] <slangasek> I personally don't want rainbows on my computer
[00:15] <StevenK> slangasek: But you don't object to unicorns?
[00:15] <mdeslaur> slangasek: that's ok, rainbows are level 5, so they don't get installed by default
[01:20] <gaughen> slangasek, I missed a rainbow and unicorn discussion? I'm so sneaking a rainbow onto your laptop next time I see you.
[01:20] <slangasek> heh
[05:15] <Mirv> rsalveti: ok (for the qtbase patch)
[06:02] <pitti> Good morning
[08:17] <arun_> Hello to the devs
[08:17] <arun_> and the lurks xD
[08:30] <sabgenton> are the trusty builds usable at the moment (fun enough)
[08:30] <sabgenton> ?
[09:08] <zyga> good morning
[09:58] <pete-woods> didrocks: good morning! If I want to land a new(ish) package (https://launchpad.net/unity-voice) are you still the go-to guy?
[09:59] <didrocks> pete-woods: yeah, please get a landing ask added for tracking it (with a rationale ;))
[09:59] <didrocks> pete-woods: and then, we'll take care of it
[10:00] <pete-woods> didrocks: is that in the spreadsheet thingy?
[10:01] <didrocks> pete-woods: right!
[10:01] <pete-woods> okay, thanks!
[10:01] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:03] <pete-woods> hmm, no write permissions, manager get!
[10:04] <didrocks> pete-woods: time to make them working! :)
[10:24] <xnox> rsalveti: yes it does. At the moment apart from limited RAM, it also limits available heap which may need increasing. I didn't figure out how to "trigger" stuck or what is causing it.
[11:05] <tseliot> pitti: hey, I've just uploaded nvidia-settings, as you requested, but it ended up in NEW
[11:06] <sveinse> Is there a one-line tool to install the build depends from the list in debian/control ?
[11:07] <pitti> tseliot: ah, so it's possible to make them versionless?
[11:07] <tseliot> pitti: yep. If there are compatibility issues, I'll just patch the code. I did it in the past
[11:09] <pitti> tseliot: nice! so this needs to C:/R:/P: the old versioned ones until after 14.04
[11:10] <pitti> tseliot: ah, I guess we still need transitional packages as well, but fortunately we can drop them all in some 5 months
[11:10] <tseliot> pitti: yes, the transitional packages are there and the package also C:/R:/P: the nvidia-settings-binary virtual package
[11:23] <pitti> tseliot: after that we'll remove nvidia-settings-* sources, right?
[11:23] <tseliot> pitti: that's the hope
[11:23] <pitti> tseliot: so glad about dropping python-gtk2 :) (what does the UI use? is that C?)
[11:24] <pitti> tseliot: would you mind fixing the package descriptions for the transitional packages?
[11:24] <pitti> tseliot: +Package: nvidia-settings-319-updates
[11:24] <tseliot> pitti: nvidia-settings is C and GTK+ (2)
[11:24] <pitti> +Description: Transitional package for nvidia-settings-319-updates
[11:24] <pitti> tseliot: it should be a transitional package for nvidia-settings, i. e. please specify the "target" package name, not the package's own name
[11:24] <pitti> (just a nitpick)
[11:25] <pitti> tseliot: and we need one for -310 as well
[11:25] <pitti> (two, for -updates)
[11:25] <pitti> tseliot: I guess you can probably drop the control.in magic then (not relevant for NEWing, just jumped my eye)
[11:25] <tseliot> pitti: and for nvidia-settings-313-updates, nvidia-settings-experimental-304 and nvidia-settings-updates too, I assume
[11:26] <pitti> tseliot: ah, I don't see these in the trusty source lists, but they might be in precise or PPAs?
[11:26] <tseliot> pitti: definitely in precise. I can see them in trusty if I call apt-cache search nvidia-settings
[11:27] <pitti> tseliot: looks good otherwise; shall I reject and you reupload with the transitional fixes?
[11:27] <tseliot> pitti: yes, please reject
[11:28] <pitti> tseliot: done
[11:32] <tseliot> pitti: would something like this be ok (I'll drop the control.in in a later release)? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442329/
[11:33] <pitti> tseliot: LGTM
[11:33] <tseliot> pitti: ok, let me reupload
[11:33] <pitti> tseliot: these old versions all provide nvidia-settings-binary, right?
[11:33] <tseliot> pitti: I think so but let me check
[11:34] <pitti> tseliot: e. g. nvidia-settings-experimental-304 doesn't
[11:34] <tseliot> pitti: it's a transitional package
[11:34] <pitti> tseliot: so that needs an explicit C/R
[11:34] <pitti> ah
[11:35] <pitti> indeed, to nvidia-settings-304-updates
[11:35] <pitti> tseliot: ok, sorry for the noise
[11:35] <tseliot> pitti: all the nvidia-settings packages in trusty http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442345/
[11:36] <tseliot> everything seems ok
[12:04] <tseliot> pitti: it's in new again
[12:06] <pitti> tseliot: splendid, thanks! accepted
[12:10] <tseliot> pitti: thanks!
[12:39] <seb128> Laney, mardy: I tried e-d-s 3.10 from https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/gnome-transition/ with uoa, that doesn't work nicely :/
[12:40] <seb128> Laney, mardy: the first thing that happens after adding a google account is a notification saying that the account has been desactivated and that you need to grant access again ... which seems to happen when you start evolution as well
[12:40] <seb128> Laney, mardy: I never managed to have my calendar working either, it's showing in evolution but stucked on "loading" and never loading any content, the indicator is empty as well
[12:41] <mardy> seb128: so, I think that the first issue is actually the correct behaviour: the first time you use EDS, you need to authorize it
[12:42] <mardy> seb128: because it's using its own application key for Oauth
[12:42] <seb128> mardy, the UI saying that your account has been desactived, when you just added it, feels weird
[12:42] <seb128> could we serialize ask for it before ending the account adding?
[12:42] <mardy> seb128: mmm... are you sure? It should just say that it needs to be authorized
[12:42] <mardy> seb128: that would be nice
[12:43] <mardy> seb128: yes, I think we could do that
[12:44] <Laney> yeah the calendar doesn't work for me either
[12:44] <Laney> email does though, which is an improvement on before
[12:44] <mardy> seb128: can you please file a couple of bugs?
[12:45] <seb128> mardy, sure, on what component? uoa for the UI/workflow one? e-d-s upstream for the calendar?
[12:46] <mardy> seb128: gnome-control-center-signon for the UI, EDS for the calendar
[12:48] <mardy> seb128: BTW, is there something broken with autolanding? In the last few days I updated a few projects, got the new code to trunk, but I cannot find any new packages in the archives
[12:48] <mardy> seb128: like this one: https://code.launchpad.net/account-plugins
[12:49] <mardy> (it adds Windows Live support to e-d-s)
[12:50] <Saviq> slangasek, hey, just noticed one, potentially easy fix for cross-building, but I still can't wrap my head around what needs to be done there ;)
[12:50] <seb128> mardy, thanks
[12:50] <Saviq> slangasek, unity8 depends on qt5-default, which provides /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qtchooser/default.conf
[12:51] <seb128> mardy, the notification says that "the application no longer has access to..." (just checked the wording), which is weird when you just created the account
[12:51] <Saviq> slangasek, but for the cross-build to work, it should install qt5-default:amd64 instead, so that it provides
[12:51] <Saviq> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qtchooser/default.conf
[12:51] <seb128> mardy, @landings: they stopped happening automatically, somebody needs to do a landing ask nowadays ... they did that to limit regressions because saucy and it's still the rule
[12:52] <seb128> mardy, you need an entry on https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=1
[12:52] <Saviq> slangasek, but qt5-default:amd64 pulls in qtbase5-dev:amd64, which conflicts with otherwise-needed qtbase5-dev:armhf
[12:53] <Saviq> slangasek, so what do we do for qt5-default:amd64 to be pulled in, but for it not to be pulling in qt5base-dev:amd64?
[12:53] <mardy> seb128: mmm... will it be forever like this, or will landings return automatic soon?
[12:56] <xnox> Saviq: i mangled local config files for qt to make it "work"  thus avoiding installing qt5-default package at all.
[12:56] <xnox> (well qmake et al)
[12:56] <seb128> mardy, they are redesign the system, it's not going back to full automatic but it should be light way to ask for landing
[12:56] <Saviq> xnox, well, sure, it's as easy as exporting QT_SELECT
[12:56] <seb128> mardy, they idea is to control better what is landing and when so they can keep touch images under control
[12:56] <xnox> Saviq: and CMake needs fixes to find correct multi-arch paths, which I should really fix up and upload into archive.
[12:57] <Saviq> xnox, I recently sent a unity8-cross-build-recap to slangasek, let me fwd it to you
[12:57] <mardy> seb128: OK, thanks, I'll request access to the document then
[12:57] <xnox> Saviq: i think you can get away with Build-Depends: qt5-defaults:any
[12:57] <seb128> mardy, thanks
[12:58] <Saviq> xnox, can I? that might pull in :amd64, sure, but then would pull qtbase5-dev:amd64 as well
[12:58] <Saviq> xnox, when we need :armhf for that
[12:58] <xnox> Saviq: you cannot specify ":armhf", but you can specify "qtbase5-dev" as a build-dep.
[12:58] <mardy> seb128: actually, to whom should I request access to edit this document?
[12:59] <xnox> Saviq: hm, maybe i got this wrong. let me look at the actual packages.
[12:59] <Saviq> xnox, sure, we do already, but how will that help with qt5-default:amd64 pulling qtbase5-dev:amd64?
[13:01] <seb128> mardy, the managers and techleads should have access ... so ask your manager, or just go ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng if you can get write rights (that's the channel for the CI work)
[13:01] <xnox> Saviq: wait, can you not instead of qt5-default build-depend on: qtbase5-dev-tools:native, qtbase5-dev ?
[13:01] <xnox> Saviq: with appropriate config, cause it's the qtbase5-dev-tools that provide the "moc" utility.
[13:02] <Saviq> xnox, you tell me ;)
[13:02] <Saviq> xnox, I need moc, qdbusxml2cpp at least
[13:02] <xnox> Saviq: imho qt5-default package is evil, as it's not co-installable for cross-compilation, nor co-installable for qt4/qt5 compilations.
[13:03] <Saviq> xnox, qt5-default is just the easiest, 'cause then I don't need to hunt for the binary
[13:03] <xnox> Saviq: =)
[13:03] <xnox> Saviq: yeah, so qtbase5-dev-tools has syncqt, uic, moc, qdbusxml2cpp qdbuscpp2xml rcc qdoc
[13:03] <Saviq> xnox, seems to be coinstallable for cross-compilation at least
[13:04] <xnox> Saviq: well at one point in time it had conflicts. E.g. sudo apt-get install qt5-qmake:amd64 qt5-qmake:armhf, conflict with each other.
[13:07] <Saviq> xnox, the only thing that conflicted now for me was qtbase5-dev:armhf and :amd64
[13:07] <Saviq> xnox, biab, otp
[13:08] <xnox> Saviq: for cross, one should build-depend on dpkg-cross and use the CMake toolchain file /etc/dpkg-cross/cmake/CMakeCross.txt
[13:08] <xnox> Saviq: which actually finds the correct pkg-config =)
[13:08] <xnox> Saviq: and corrects library search paths.
[13:08] <Saviq> xnox, that's new :)
[13:08] <xnox> Saviq: that has been available from way before this new thing MultiArchCross.cmake
[13:09] <xnox> Saviq: I guess the two should merge, and it would be nice for upstream to ship that file.
[13:09] <xnox> Saviq: where are your sources which I can play around with? or is it pure unity8 src package as in the archive at the moment?
[13:09] <Saviq> xnox, lp:unity8 yeah
[13:10] <Saviq> xnox, everything else that was needed is in my email
[13:10] <xnox> Saviq: gotcha.
[13:11] <xnox> Saviq: here is my poor mans solution to cross-compile https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CrossCompile
[13:12] <xnox> Saviq: if one is using chroot, one can avoid co-installing libapparmor1 for example.
[13:18] <Saviq> xnox, oh yeah I'm doing sbuild of course
[13:18] <xnox> cool =)
[13:19]  * xnox waiting for mk-sbuild --target=armhf trusty to complete
[13:19] <Saviq> xnox, I wonder, how can we make CMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=/etc/dpkg-cross/cmake/CMakeCross.txt more automagic?
[13:19] <geser> ogra_: I hope you know what you have started with your mail to the ubuntu-devel ML about Mint: http://www.golem.de/news/sicherheit-mit-linux-mint-wuerde-ich-kein-onlinebanking-machen-1311-102830.html
[13:21] <ogra_> geser, no,  i didnt notice that i'm standing in the middle of a shitstorm since two days :P
[13:21] <xnox> Saviq: debhelper already does many magic stuff for cross-case, so dh can be taught to add that. As long as it works for many / most cmake packages.
[13:21] <xnox> Saviq: but it needs an extra build-dep. Not sure if dpkg-cross is build-essential enough in cross-cases.
[13:21] <ogra_> geser, sadly golem refuses to also link my response to their article it seems http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/lots-of-canonical-in-my-mouth/
[13:25] <ogra_> geser, like omgubuntu, phronix or other news sites do ... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Developer-Says-Mint-Controversy-Might-Help-Them-Fix-the-Security-Updates-Problem-401422.shtml is the only one that picked it up ...
[13:28] <highvoltage> that whole issue is such a nontroversy. any rational person would always agree with ogra_ no matter what he says.
[13:29] <ogra_> thanks :)
[13:33] <seb128> ogra_, ignore the trolls, that one is not even a good troll ;-)
[13:36] <ogra_> seb128, well, what bothers me is that news sites i used trust suddenly seem to lose all objectivity and refuse the opportunity to to state my opinion even though they report about me ... (golem and heise are two i regulary read, heise hasnt picked up on it yet, but golems ignorance towards me is pretty disappointing)
[13:39] <seb128> ogra_, having a good troll probably bring them more readers :/
[13:39] <ogra_> definitely
[13:39] <ogra_> i totally understand the intend and process ... but it would still be nicer if they could also show my POV
[13:41] <highvoltage> ogra_: if they twist your words to mean something completely different to what you said then their intent was definiely not in good spirit
[13:43] <ogra_> no, indeed not, but pushing an update with "Canonicasl developer responded" would at least give them another few clicks ... and at least pretend some objectivity
[13:49] <sladen> ogra_: s/maintained one for/maintained one of/
[13:50] <xnox> ogra_: I only read BBC News and New York Times. Neither of which are yet to miss-quote you =)
[13:51] <ogra_> xnox, damn ... so much about my career in the TV ad business ... still not enough popularity
[13:52] <sladen> now where's a link to those Canonical TV ads when you need one
[13:52] <ogra_> lol
[13:52] <ogra_> sladen, thanks, fixed..  btw
[13:54] <Saviq> xnox, if you manage to reduce the steps needed to cross-build u8, please let me know :)
[13:59] <rsalveti> xnox: right, I'm trying to disable a few services to see what is causing it, at least to isolate it a bit more
[13:59] <rsalveti> Mirv: thanks
[13:59] <rsalveti> Mirv: I can sponsor the upload, but need to check with the landing team
[14:00] <rsalveti> seems xnox just uploaded it, so cool
[14:00] <rsalveti> xnox: did you coordinate the landing with the landing team?
[14:00] <rsalveti> xnox: as I know they were working on landing mir and a few other big blocks yesterday
[14:00] <Mirv> rsalveti: yeah, it got uploaded already
[14:01] <Mirv> it probably flew past the landing chart as such
[14:01] <slangasek> xnox: hi, coming to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22028/core-1311-dmraid2mdadm/ ?
[14:02] <xnox> slangasek: yes. it looks like i'll have to setup the hangout?
[14:02] <rsalveti> Mirv: right, well, it's already in, so let's hope it'll not cause any issue :-)
[14:02] <slangasek> xnox: no, it's set up and waiting for you
[14:02] <xnox> slangasek: one hour too early?
[14:02] <slangasek> orly
[14:02]  * slangasek checks his clock
[14:03] <slangasek> oh hah, plenaries this hour
[14:03] <seb128> right
[14:03] <seb128> slangasek, you almost scared me for a minute there ;-)
[14:03] <slangasek> ok, nevermind then :-)
[14:03] <xnox> slangasek: yeah, i think summit should "pre-star" the plenaries.
[14:03] <xnox> for everyone.
[14:22] <arges> cjwatson: hey. I know you spoke with jpds about this already. would you like me to handle the SRU for bug 901700? thanks
[14:22] <cjwatson> arges: Oh, if you like and if you can readily test it, I certainly wouldn't object to having it taken off my hands :-)
[14:23] <arges> cjwatson: sure, I'll handle it then. : )
[14:23] <cjwatson> Brilliant, thanks
[14:50] <seb128> mardy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center-signon/+bug/1252751
[14:50] <seb128> mardy, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712687
[14:50] <seb128> Laney, ^
[14:51] <mardy> seb128: thanks!
[14:51] <Laney> cheers
[14:52] <Laney> seb128: maybe we should leave it off
[14:52] <seb128> Laney, yeah, but I still would like to see it fixed before the LTS...
[14:52] <Laney> indeed
[14:52] <roaksoax> apw: ping
[14:53] <roaksoax> apw: do you maintain avahi?
[14:53] <seb128> roaksoax, I don't think we have an official avahi maintainer, it's mostly in low maintainance mode/maintained in Debian, why?
[14:53] <apw> roaksoax, not especially, i have recently fixed it for kernel feature missmatches
[14:53] <apw> roaksoax, need something?
[14:54] <roaksoax> apw: I'm about to sponsor this http://people.canonical.com/~serge/avahi-nproc.debdiff
[14:54] <roaksoax> seb128: ^^
[14:54] <roaksoax> just wan't to make sure people is ok with us doing that
[14:54] <apw> not an issue for me indeed
[14:54] <roaksoax> since we need it sru'd into saucy
[14:54] <roaksoax> apw: thanks!
[14:54] <Laney> isi t upstreamed?
[14:56] <seb128> roaksoax, ^ what Laney asked, we should have an upstream bug reference in the patch there
[14:56] <Laney> patch headers ;-)
[14:56] <roaksoax> hehe ok
[14:58] <fishor> any devs for sound subsystem here? (pulseaudio/alsa) ... i tried to find some one upstream, but no answers for a week. Now to the issue: internal mic in my laptop has too match boost, if i set on on maximum noise will go to the capture limits.  It make troubles for VoIP apps. I can blacklist it in alsa driver and provide patch for it... but before i do it i would like to know if there other options
[15:22] <bregma> should Trusty packages be using Standards-Version 3.9.5 now?
[15:31] <mitya57> bregma: Yes, but keep in mind that a Lintian version with 3.9.5 support is not yet released.
[15:32] <bregma> mitya57, upstream in Debian or here in Ubuntu?
[15:33]  * bregma is used to lintian complaining about future Standards-Version in Ubuntu
[15:33] <mitya57> Lintian is mostly in sync now.
[15:33] <mitya57> So we'll quickly merge the new lintian when it's released.
[15:34]  * mitya57 notices that the latest lintian FTBFS
[15:51] <ev> heads up: we're going to be discussing how the CI engine is going to be rearchitected, starting in 10 minutes. If you'd like a speaking slot in the hangout, let me know.
[15:53] <cjwatson> oww, now I have to rebase grub2/debian/patches/install_signed.patch across to a rewrite of grub-install in C
[15:53] <cjwatson> I guess it'll be neater on the other side :-)
[15:56] <ev> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22092/core-1311-ci-airline/ being the URL for that
[17:35] <hero> hello
[17:35] <hero> I get an error when trying to compile gtk3;
[17:35] <hero>  could someone help ?
[17:37] <hero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6443915/
[18:43] <vermahim> hi, i am using ubuntu 13.10, i am looking for a software(preferably small in terms of code) which is written(or majority of code) in C/C++, please help me out
[18:54] <kenvandine> xnox, ping
[18:55] <xnox> kenvandine: hi!
[18:55] <kenvandine> boost1.54 is held in proposed because boost-mpi-source1.54 has depends binaries from boost1.54
[18:55] <kenvandine> specific versions
[18:55] <kenvandine>  libboost1.54-dev (= ${binary:Version}),
[18:56] <kenvandine> xnox, i assume a no change upload would fix it
[18:56] <xnox> vermahim: well, upstart for C, and unity8/mir e.g. C++.
[18:56] <kenvandine> but that seems fragile...
[18:56] <kenvandine> xnox, i see you recently touched it... so i pinged you :)
[18:56] <xnox> kenvandine: we split boost packages into main and universe ones because of mpi. And it should alway be uploaded in a matching pair.
[18:56] <kenvandine> ok, so that was expected :)
[18:56] <xnox> kenvandine: if it's held up, then it was a mistake. sorry about that. Let me check.
[18:56] <kenvandine> there was an upload yesterday
[18:57] <kenvandine> doko did an upload
[18:57] <xnox> kenvandine: and he should know better =)))))
[18:57] <kenvandine> hehe :)
[18:57] <cjwatson> yeah, looks like doko forgot about the split-source thing here
[18:57] <xnox> kenvandine: i'll fix it.
[18:57] <kenvandine> xnox, mind uploading a fix?
[18:57] <kenvandine> thx!
[18:57] <kenvandine> robru, ^^
[18:57] <kenvandine> robru, once that is gets rhough, we'll be able to build that stack
[18:58] <kenvandine> s/rhough/through/
[18:58] <xnox> kenvandine: after the sessions end. I'll fix it. so you will have it today.
[18:58] <kenvandine> thx
[18:58] <robru> xnox, thanks for fixing boost
[18:58] <robru> kenvandine, alright
[18:59] <vermahim> xnox: please provide the link for unity8/mir
[18:59] <vermahim> code
[19:01] <xnox> vermahim: bzr branch lp:upstart; bzr branch lp:unity8; bzr branch lp:mir
[19:01] <xnox> vermahim: or http://pad.lv/c/unity8 http://pad.lv/c/upstart http://pad.lv/c/mir
[19:07] <slangasek> ScottK: hi, able to join us? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjem29pg1ifaht4etlvkqc0
[20:49] <ScottK> slangasek: I thought the meeting was in like 10 minutes from now.
[20:49] <slangasek> ScottK: hmm, nope :/
[20:50] <ScottK> The time says 2013-11-19 19:05..20:00
[20:50] <slangasek> ScottK: so the one big question we couldn't answer... you've said that qt5 alignment is "not an issue" for 14.04, just to confirm, that means Kubuntu is not moving to Qt5 this cycle, right?
[20:50] <ScottK> Isn't that now?
[20:50] <slangasek> ScottK: no, it's currently 20:50 UTC
[20:51] <ScottK> Sigh.
[20:51] <ScottK> We anticipate packaging some parts of KDE Frameworks 5 this cycle, but not doing any fundamental switching.
[20:51] <slangasek> ok
[20:52] <ScottK> I don't know what the upstream version requirement will be.
[20:52] <ScottK> This is even less than we did for KDE 4 in Hardy.
[20:52]  * slangasek nods
[20:53] <infinity> ScottK: You actually remember hardy?
[20:53]  * infinity barely remembers last month.
[20:53] <ScottK> infinity: I have scars.
[20:53] <lifeless> the halycon days
[20:55] <ScottK> slangasek: I'm told (reading my backscroll) that 5.2 is what's needed for KF5.
[20:55] <ScottK> So we want 5.2, but we wouldn't fall over dead if we didn't get it.
[20:56] <slangasek> ScottK: ok - 5.2 is also what's targeted for the phone
[20:57] <ScottK> I'm listening to the session now.  I didnt' get annoyed yet.
[21:04]  * xnox giggles.
[21:04] <xnox> ScottK: are you shipping Framework5 for 14.04?
[21:05] <ScottK> xnox: Possibly some of it.
[21:05] <ScottK> Beta versions.
[21:06] <ScottK> We may just land them in backports to avoid having to be stuck with them.
[21:07] <xnox> ScottK: i see, but to do that you'd want 5.2 to be in.
[21:10] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:10] <ScottK> So I think we agree on what version we want.
[21:19]  * robru shakes fist at mterry!!!
[21:20] <mterry> robru, :(  what did I do?
[21:20] <robru> mterry, your merge *just* landed on unity-system-compositor, which conflicted with my own.
[21:20] <mterry> robru, hah!    If what I'm looking at is right, please don't re-introduce xmir dep on u-s-c
[21:22] <mterry> robru, I moved that to new tiny package ubuntu-desktop-mir
[21:24] <robru> mterry, pushed a new commit, can you check it's sane?
[21:25] <mterry> robru, what's the beef with libboost-all-dev?  Just that it's lazy?
[21:25] <mterry> robru, yeah looks fine, thanks!
[21:26] <mterry> robru, I guess I'll approve then
[21:26] <robru> mterry, well it's explicitely forbidden from main, which means when we eventually converge this change will be a prerequisite of the MIR, however the reason it came up today is because there was a minor boost transition that caused this to fail, specifically because of the -all-dev
[21:26] <jtaylor> were is the best place to ask about the vagrant cloud images?
[21:26] <utlemming> jtaylor: here works...whats up?
[21:26] <robru> mterry, thanks for the approve.
[21:26] <jtaylor> using virtualbox as provider the /vagrat folder blocks forever with the saucy images
[21:27] <jtaylor> precise images work
[21:27] <utlemming> jtaylor: I have seen that happen from time to time, but haven't had a chance to dig on that. Can you file a bug against it with supporting evidence? i.e. strace cat /vagrant/foobar?
[21:28] <jtaylor> utlemming: busy loop on getdents(...)
[21:29] <jtaylor> against which package should I file it?
[21:29] <utlemming> virtualbox itself...that is a problem with the the vfs that they present
[21:29] <jtaylor> actually cating a file works
[21:29] <jtaylor> but ls blocks
[21:29] <utlemming> odd
[21:36] <jtaylor> utlemming: bug 1252872
[21:37] <utlemming> jtaylor: are you using our version of virtualbox or the one from upstream?
[21:37] <jtaylor> packaged virtualbox
[21:37] <jtaylor> 4.2.16-dfsg-3
[21:38] <utlemming> it would be interesting  to find out if you were to user the upstream what happens
[21:38] <jtaylor> I can try
[21:41] <jtaylor> hm vagrant in saucy does not support vbox 4.3 :/
[21:41] <jtaylor> but that should be fixed upstream
[21:48] <jtaylor> utlemming: same with latest vbox 4.3
[21:49] <utlemming> jtaylor: ack
[21:56] <jtaylor> I'll use a raring image in the meantime then
[22:02] <jtaylor> utlemming: trusty images have the same issue
[22:02] <utlemming> lovely
[22:16] <xnox> robru: i should have uploaded into archive, then mterry would conflict as well ;-)
[22:16] <robru> xnox, hahaha. well it's merged now and building in PPA, should hit archive soon
[22:17] <xnox> mterry: libboost-all-dev is (a) in universe (b) non-multiarch:sam (thus no cross-compilation) (c) causes un-neccesory FTBFS if boost is not in sync with boost-mpi-source (d) makes the build longer (e) causes the package not suitable for main inclusion.
[22:18] <mterry> xnox, makes sense  :)
[22:19] <xnox> =)
[23:08] <RAOF> Bah!
[23:08] <RAOF> vUDS hangouts on air tell me of all sorts of things that I could usefully have contributed to if they weren't on at 3am last night?
[23:10] <slangasek> RAOF: that's ok, we gave you all the work items
[23:10] <slangasek> I can haz system compositor?
[23:10] <RAOF> Indeed.
[23:10] <RAOF> That's *exactly*  what I'm listening to.
[23:10] <slangasek> :-)
[23:11] <RAOF> Yes, the plan is indeed to be able to run a Mir compositor in the initrd :)
[23:12] <RAOF> Good, good. You've argued yourselves 'round to the correct solution.
[23:12] <RAOF> Actually, we *do* have a partial Mir backend for plymouth.
[23:13] <slangasek> ok, where is it?
[23:13] <slangasek> I don't have anything that I can include in the plymouth package
[23:13] <slangasek> I'd love to do that, but so far I've been told everything is proof of concept
[23:13] <slangasek> as for including Mir in the initrd, the final conclusion of the session is that we'd rather not do any of the graphics stuff from the initrd, and just boot to the rootfs as fast as possible
[23:15]  * RAOF goes hunting for plymouth backend
[23:15] <infinity> slangasek: Does this mean we'll continue to have two different paths for encrypted root versus not?
[23:15] <slangasek> infinity: for the nonce
[23:16] <infinity> slangasek: I hate that the plymouth-in-initrd codepath is so poorly tested in contrast to the default.
[23:16] <slangasek> no it's not
[23:16] <RAOF> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~rocket-scientists/plymouth/mir should work, I think.
[23:16] <slangasek> it's the only path I test before upload :-P
[23:16] <infinity> slangasek: Poorly exericed for corner cases that affect people who aren't Steve? :P
[23:16] <slangasek> RAOF: are you willing to turn that into an MP on the package?
[23:16] <infinity> exercised, too.
[23:16] <RAOF> slangasek: Sure, in the near future.
[23:17] <slangasek> RAOF: great :)
[23:17] <slangasek> anyway, plymouth-in-initrd becomes even hairier if we start using a mir backend... because while plymouth goes away and releases the framebuffer after boot, the system compositor would not
[23:17] <slangasek> at least, not by definition
[23:18] <infinity> I'm sure this was all covered in the session, but won't bringing up Mir take even longer than the already irritatingly long process of bringing up plymouth on a kms framebuffer?
[23:18] <slangasek> so then we either cope with never freeing the initramfs, which is a fair chunk of memory, or the system compositor needs to re-exec seamlessly
[23:18] <RAOF> Yeah; we need to re-exec the system compositor.
[23:18] <slangasek> infinity: "it depends"
[23:19] <RAOF> That should fall out naturally from our other goals.
[23:19] <slangasek> infinity: currently, waiting for the framebuffer device on Touch is probably slower
[23:20] <slangasek> RAOF: right; but it needs to be implemented before we can change plymouth's backend
[23:20] <RAOF> Indeed it does.
[23:20] <slangasek> and I'm very enthusiastic about getting to that point, since it means we no longer have to kill plymouth when lightdm starts
[23:20] <slangasek> and plymouth can continue to display/prompt as needed
[23:20] <slangasek> yay compositing :)
[23:21] <RAOF> :)
[23:22] <RAOF> Ah, I love that bit of a UDS session. “So, I think we know what needs to be done… who's going to do it?”
[23:27] <stgraber> that's usually the point at which we start throwing work items at everyone who should have been in the session and instead tried to escape it
[23:30] <infinity> I guess I should show up to more sessions.
[23:46] <sergiusens> slangasek, hey, this is the wrong channel; but can you do a review for me or forward me to someone friendly? http://mentors.debian.net/package/golang-gocheck-dev
[23:49] <slangasek> hmm
[23:49] <slangasek> I wonder if that's something doko would be comfortable reviewing?
[23:50] <slangasek> afaik we don't have very strong policy around go packages yet, so there are probably only a handful of people who would feel comfortable reviewing - doko is one, the golang package maintainer is another
[23:51] <sergiusens> slangasek, is that stapelberg?
[23:51] <slangasek> sergiusens: yes
[23:51] <sergiusens> makes sense, I used his dh-golang and followed his wiki :-)
[23:51] <sergiusens> thanks
[23:52] <sergiusens> I'll see how I can reach out to him
[23:53] <infinity> If running it doesn't then proceed to go and download the actual package from an S3 bucket, you're miles ahead on quality from other Go packages I can mention...
[23:53] <jkitchen> hahahaha
[23:53] <slangasek> sergiusens: his email address is in the Maintainer: field :)