[00:04] <Macer> er
[00:26] <SpamapS> hallyn: Uploaded your patch to lucid-proposed, with an additional symlink from /usr/bin/ethtool to /sbin/ethtool so that peoples' scripts won't be broken if they've explicitly set the path.
[00:36] <hallyn> SpamapS: thanks, since I had to respin anyway I shoulda done that!
[01:27] <Jeffsi> hey guys, no matter what i do im not able to install ubuntu server, ive tried on 2 diferent pc's and in vmfuion on a mac and nothing is working, anyone have any experiance with ubuntu server?
[01:29] <Jeffsi> anyone in here that could possibly help?
[01:29] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: It might help if you said what happens when you try to install it, what error message you see, or something specific like that? :)
[01:30] <Jeffsi> ive had so many problems, the major one probably being that i cannot install on my old win 98 or me computer(it just shows a black screen with a blinking curser)
[01:31] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: That's likely to be a VERY old PC... what sort of CPU and how much RAM does it have, and what version of Ubuntu Server are you trying to install?
[01:31] <Jeffsi> this happens when i throw in the install disk i burnt
[01:32] <Jeffsi> 1 moment
[01:32] <Jeffsi> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c00191402&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=&prodSeriesId=96393&prodTypeId=12454
[01:34] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: So 500MHz Celeron and 64MB RAM, I think I am reading??  64MB is too little RAM for Ubuntu Server, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Ubuntu%20Server%20%28CLI%29%20Installation
[01:34] <jmarsden> Minimum stated there is 128MB, even that may be too little now.
[01:34] <Jeffsi> theres 2 in there so 128
[01:35] <jmarsden> Does this CD you created boot Ok on other (more modern) PCs?
[01:35] <Jeffsi> all i want is a somewhat simple print server/ backup box
[01:35] <Jeffsi> i have like 3 or 4 now with diferent versions and some do
[01:37] <Jeffsi> i was trying to install this on to the main HDD on a different computer and i am able to boot up the installer but always run in to trouble before i can install
[01:38] <jmarsden> "always" and "run into trouble"?  Be specific please.  "When I boot a CD containing Ubuntu Server 10.04 (i386), it does *this*"  would at least give us a chance of helping you out.
[01:39] <jmarsden> Do you have the other PC, the one you can get the installer to boot on, available now to attempt an install?
[01:41] <Jeffsi> well on my compaq that i want this to eventually be on it is always with every disk i have tried(both LTS/ newest and i think i was using 64 and maybe a 32) giving me a black screen with a blinking text curser
[01:41] <Jeffsi> and im atempting to install it on the other computer right now
[01:42] <Jeffsi> is it possible that im just being impasiant with my compaq? if i remember correctly i have been waiting like 10-20 min then hard reseting
[01:43] <jmarsden> On an old Celeron from 10+ years ago, an amd64 (64bit) ISO is not going to work, more or less by definition.  Use the i386 (32bit) version for older machines.
[01:43] <twb> Jeffsi: unless you have some burning desire to make this hardware work, you REALLY should just lay down $200 and get a much better machine
[01:43] <jmarsden> I think it is more likely the CDROM drive of the old machine is flaky, but it is hard to say.  You should at least see the installer menus in less than 10 minutes.
[01:44] <twb> Even compared to contemporary hardware, compaqs were a right pain in the arse -- completely non-fungible
[01:45] <Jeffsi> eventually i may but right now i cant afford that so i do really want to get this working for now
[01:46] <jmarsden> Even just $60 or $70 should get you a P4 with 512MB and 80Gb HD on ebay :)
[01:46] <Jeffsi> The CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid 'release' file, or fie could not be read correctly.
[01:47] <Jeffsi> what should i search on ebay for something like that?
[01:47] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: Sounds like a bad CD or a bad CDROM drive.  If you boot it and run the Test this CD menu item does it pass?
[01:47] <jmarsden> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-COMPAQ-PAVILION-DX2200-P4-3-06GHZ-1G-80G-HDD-NO-OS-/290560612338?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item43a6c317f2 is one ending in 10 minutes :)
[01:51] <Jeffsi> id prefer to attempt to bring back this old dinosaur i have now and buy one later in the summer if needed
[01:51] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: I'd search for "desktop pc" and then narrow the search by price and specify at least 512MB RAM and see what you can find.  Try asking for only a dualcore CPU if you think you will get lucky :)
[01:51] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: On the machine you burned the CD on, did you verify the md5sum of the burned disk?
[01:52] <jmarsden> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[01:53] <Jeffsi> no, should i try n do that?
[01:53] <jmarsden> Yes.  It helps to know the CD is good :)
[01:54] <Jeffsi> i have tried like 4 of em id think at least 1 would work
[01:56] <jmarsden> Why guess, when there is a clearly documented way to test and be certain?!
[01:56] <Jeffsi> where can i download it?
[01:58] <jmarsden> Dowload what?  Read the HowToMD5SUM page.  It has links to md5sum tools for Windows and Mac OSX etc. etc.
[02:00] <Jeffsi> says the windows program is being updated?
[02:00] <Jeffsi> or the site is
[02:02] <qman__> it'll work with 128, just
[02:02] <qman__> if you want to run anything on it you'll need at least 256 though
[02:02] <jmarsden> Jeffsi: Yes, and on the page saying that is also has a link saying "Download WinMD5Sum" -- use that link :)
[02:03] <qman__> my shell server is a K6 200MHz with 256MB, and it's just barely hanging in there
[02:03] <qman__> only reason I'm still using it is its dead reliable
[02:03] <qman__> more reliable than all the junk P4-ish things I have laying around
[02:03] <Jeffsi> any other os's i could maybe use?
[02:03] <jmarsden> I need to go eat, may be back later on.
[02:04] <Jeffsi> ok
[02:04] <qman__> nothing that's really up to date
[02:04] <twb> You can't install current debian/ubuntu with qemu's default ram allocation, though you can boot that way
[02:05] <qman__> windows 2000 or older will work, as will most linux 2.4 kernel based distros
[02:05] <twb> When I tried it finished the install, but only because (AFAICT) dpkg had been OOM-killed a few times, so some things weren't actually installed
[02:05] <qman__> or anything where you compile your own reduced feature set kernel
[02:05] <twb> qman__: openwrt has 2.6 builds that run on 16MB NV, 32 V
[02:06] <qman__> yeah, 2.6 isn't the problem, it's just that most 2.6 distros have everything turned on for compatibility
[02:06] <twb> Of course, they aren't running desktop-y stuff :-)
[02:06]  * twb hugs "make localyesconfig"
[02:06] <qman__> and the kernel alone is about 10MB
[02:07] <twb> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.0M Jan  8 03:51 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.37
[02:08] <twb> That's a module-less targeted kernel
[02:08] <qman__> nice
[02:08] <qman__> my shell server is running the 386 kernel in the repos
[02:08] <qman__> 3.9M kernel, 7.7M initrd
[02:08] <twb> Current kernels you can say "make localyesconfig; make localmodconfig" and it'll turn things off/off to target the current system
[02:08] <twb> qman__: oh, and that was x86-64
[02:09] <qman__> of course you have to get the system installed in the first place to do that
[02:09] <twb> right
[02:10] <qman__> plus ubuntu has a pretty fancy userspace
[02:10] <qman__> the memory used is negligible on modern systems, but trying to cram it into 128MB isn't going to be fun
[02:11] <twb> IMO it is WRONG to just assume a "modern" system has gigabytes per user :-/
[02:11] <twb> Java people do that out the wazoo
[02:11] <qman__> yeah
[02:12] <twb> Or for init(8) to need a userspace IPC daemon before it can actually start doing its job :-/
[02:12] <twb> Bloody kids
[02:12] <twb> Get off my lawn
[02:15] <qman__> wow
[02:15] <qman__> removing four old kernels from my server, apt says 397MB will be freed
[02:16] <qman__> a bit much is an understatement
[02:16] <twb> Yeah, debian kernels are around 100MB each
[02:16] <twb> Most of that is [M] drivers though
[02:16] <qman__> fair enough
[02:16] <qman__> the drive is only 10GB though
[02:17] <qman__> wish it would just automatically remove kernels it's not going to use, and just keep two
[02:17] <qman__> the currently running one and the latest one
[02:18] <twb> qman__: it would if you allowed it to
[02:18] <twb> qman__: that behaviour is specifically disabled in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to prevent an upgrade making the system unbootable
[02:19] <qman__> ah
[02:19] <twb> 01autoremove here
[02:19] <qman__> I thought it used to at some point, and it stopped
[02:19] <twb> Obviously, edit that with care :-)
[03:14] <crazifyngers> hey guys i'm having an issue with mdadm seeing my raid array after a reboot.  anyone available to help out?
[05:17] <brannig> Just noticed my 10.02 VPS host is running the *.32-22 kernel instead of the *.32-31. Reboot didn't fix after safe-upgrade. Also noticed that I have two grub.cfg's. One in /boot/grub and the other in /boot/boot/grub. (http://paste.ubuntu.com/603975/) It is the latter that seems to be loading the -22 kernel. I'm thinking of aptitude removing linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic-pae to resolve this: That a decent idea?
[06:18] <noaXess> good morning
[06:18] <noaXess> if i ssh/login into my 10.04.2 servers i get the welcome message twice... one without information about updates, the other with inforation about updates.. the second one is wrong, cause all updates are installed..
[06:21] <twb> noaXess: that's been happening a lot lately
[06:22] <twb> noaXess: the junk to update motd isn't working for some reason
[06:22] <noaXess> twb: how to fix that?
[06:22] <twb> I dunno yet
[06:22] <twb> If you work it out tell me
[06:22] <noaXess> twb: ok.. nop....
[06:22] <noaXess> twb: which script creates this information?
[06:22] <twb> noaXess: /etc/motd-update or something
[06:23] <noaXess> twb: ok thanks...
[06:23] <twb> I remember because some idiot decided to introduce it into Debian right before a release, and pissed me off
[06:25] <jmarsden> /etc/motd-update.d/*    # I think
[06:26] <noaXess> motd: http://pastebin.com/Zi6EMeVD
[08:54] <Guest29395> hey
[08:55] <Guest29395> i'm using ubuntu 11.04, since a day or 2 evolution doesnt send my mails anymore
[08:55] <Guest29395> receiving is no problem
[09:01] <dave_> can anyone help me
[09:01] <dave_> ??
[09:30] <slim_> hello all, is there how to configure dns server for ipv6 ?
[09:33] <jamespage> slim_: try this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DHCPv6
[09:34] <slim_> thanks jamespage
[09:34] <jamespage> bah - no thats DHCP - I should read things prop before responding
[09:37] <slim_> dhcpv6 already working , the needed is dns, i search for it now
[09:39] <twb> jamespage: you don't need DHCPv6 to configure DNS (IIRC)
[09:39] <twb> Most of it's built into ICMPv6 now
[09:39] <jamespage> twb: yeah I know - I was just having one of those morning moments....
[13:44] <Ztripez> i have set up our production server with ldap pam.. what would be best practis to give the members of the "developers"-(ldap)-group write access to /var/www/projects?
[14:25] <talntid2> Can someone help me test my fail2ban configuration? All I need you to do, is try to connect to my server and give it some bad login credentials about 5 times. the hostname is: SpokanePCRepair.com
[14:26] <talntid2> SSH, of course
[14:28] <ppetraki> talntid2, so what should the failure look like on my side?
[14:29] <ppetraki> talntid2, it's not even prompting me for a password after 3 login attempts
[14:30] <ppetraki> talntid2, so I guess it's working?
[14:30] <ppetraki> talntid2, http://pastebin.com/Mkp4TVny
[14:33] <talntid2> perfect
[14:33] <talntid2> exactly what it should be doing
[14:36] <talntid2> much appreciated, ppetraki.
[14:38] <ppetraki> talntid2, np
[14:46] <zul> SpamapS: im going to hold off the mysql merge ;)
[14:47] <SpamapS> zul: Yeah, probably a good idea. I was talking w/ Norbert about possibly getting 5.5 into Debian soon .. he wants to work on it starting next week.
[14:47] <zul> SpamapS: sweet
[15:44] <ergonaut> EC2 or cloud specific question.  Where can I find documentation on the cloud-specific packages installed on the Ubuntu server images in Amazon EC2?  E.g. cloud-utils, etc.
[15:58] <scalability-junk> you mean the uec?
[15:58] <scalability-junk> ask in #ubuntu-cloud
[16:17] <econ> I have a question about iptables if anyone can help me out. I set up my server so I can route my internet browsing from a wifi hotspot to it through ssh. I got this working, and then went to set the iptables. I allowed ssh, port 80, loopback and then set it to drop the rest. Now I can't load web pages. I think I need to allow the port for my SOCKS Host, which is 9999. I tried the command "sudo iptables -I INPUT -p SOCKS Host --dport
[16:17] <econ> 9999 -j ACCEPT" but get the response "Bad argument 'SOCKS'". Can someone help me with how to enter this in correctly, or tell me if what I'm doing in general makes sense? Thanks.
[16:48] <lynxman> econ: -p is the protocol in iptables, so -p tcp --dport 9999 should do the trick for you, if you want to specify the socks host use -d xx.xx.xx.xx
[17:04] <robo> hi: so in vmware I cloned a machine to a new machine. When I bring up that new machine it says that udev renamed network interface eth0 to eth1. I'm guessing it's because of the new mac address of the NIC?
[17:04] <robo> is there a way to bring eth0 up?
[17:06] <robo> n/m, i think i need to nuke /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[17:12] <robo> hmm, fresh ubuntu 10.04LTS install. If i type apt-cache search apache or apt-cache http no apache packages return. Do I need to enable some respository?
[17:16] <aBs0lut30> how do you view the CPU affinity for a process?
[17:50] <morecheese> hi all. getting a segmentation fault when using medusa... "error 6 in libc-2.11.1.so". tried reinstalling libc6 and medusa, still getting it.
[17:52] <aBs0lut30> anybody know of a good iSCSI channel?
[17:59] <dassouki> I just got meself a linux host. What I'd liek to do is move my email and website to it as well as build some form of file access. I have about 8gb of CAD files from my company that i'd liek to mvoe to the web as I work from different locations and coutnries
[17:59] <dassouki> How can I set up my server to have such file system with a relatively secure manner
[18:00] <aBs0lut30> dassouki: your linux host, you mean as in a hosted server, or hardware you have?
[18:00] <dassouki> aBs0lut30: linode that i've been using for a year or so
[18:01] <aBs0lut30> gotcha... well there are probably a thousand diffrent ways to do what you want, but the quickest, easiest, and most secure would be to use SCP/SFTP
[18:01] <aBs0lut30> runs over SSH so if you have shell access no extra setup required(unless its turned off in the config...)
[18:02] <dassouki> aBs0lut30: I'm using sftp now on a folder outside of /var/www obviously, I'd like to move to something more user friendly
[18:02] <aBs0lut30> gotcha... well... let me think...
[18:02] <aBs0lut30> tell me what you have in mind by "more user friendly"
[18:04] <aBs0lut30> one thing that comes to mind would be to use WEBDav
[18:04] <aBs0lut30> would let you open it in windows explorer and browse/open/move(etc) files... a bit slow IMHO though
[18:04] <dassouki> Something like dropbox I guess, but with a local mirror
[18:04] <jetole> Does anyone know if there is a way for me to install a previous version of a package through apt-get or aptitude?
[18:05] <dassouki> aBs0lut30: i guess the issue is with sftp i end up stuck with local and remote copies, I'd like to eliminate that. Second I'm not looking for source control, as a lot of times I need to open up all versions of a design/doc and look at them
[18:05] <aBs0lut30> so, basicly something to store the data backend and then sync changes to/from the client?
[18:05] <dassouki> jetole: i'm not sure that's possible
[18:05] <dassouki> jetole: but try #ubuntu perhasp
[18:06] <dassouki> aBs0lut30: automatic syncing as in if the version is different don't write over, just write a new file with a time stamp
[18:06] <jetole> dassouki: well I tried there last night but this is for a server and you do get better answers in here so
[18:06]  * jetole shrugs
[18:06] <dassouki> jetole: how about ubuntu.stackexchange.com
[18:06] <dassouki> i think that's teh address anyways
[18:06]  * jetole looks
[18:06] <aBs0lut30> jetole: try giving it a full package name with version and the force option
[18:07] <aBs0lut30> dass: one thing that also comes to mind would be rSync... not sure how well that plays with windows though
[18:08] <jetole> aBs0lut30: do you know how I can see the list of version names. I did a force upgrade with libldap on hold since I custom compiled the package to use openssl instead of gnutls. this force uninstalled openldap server though which requires version X or higher of libldap
[18:08] <aBs0lut30> dass: take a look at this... never used it myself, but may be along the lines of what you want http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[18:09] <aBs0lut30> jet: http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html
[18:09] <jetole> dassouki and aBs0lut30: I think I found the answer: http://www.skorks.com/2009/07/downgrading-a-ubuntu-package/
[18:13] <jetole> aBs0lut30: thanks
[18:13] <aBs0lut30> np
[18:20] <dassouki> i wish there were a dropbox implementation
[18:21] <aBs0lut30> well one other thing to look at(I really have stayed away from it cause i just dont like the idea...) the Ubuntu Cloud setup might have something that could help you... from the bit I have read its really meant to deliver apps/data over the net...
[18:21] <dassouki> ya i'm not sure I want to be on the cloud
[18:22] <dassouki> a lot of the data I use is client confidential
[18:22] <aBs0lut30> well, they have some "cloud" software designed for private cloud setups
[18:22] <aBs0lut30> I hear ya there, I am the financial sector so thats the main reason I have stayed away from it...
[18:22] <aBs0lut30> plus just dont have the time to learn something new
[19:09] <robo> do I need to enable some repository to get apache2?  I need to do that after a fresh install?
[19:19] <ruben23> giovani:any how to do it..?
[19:19] <giovani> ruben23: plenty of documentation online
[20:15] <aBs0lut30> hey guys, anybody know if there is a way to slave nic's without ifenslave? got a box that I reloaded and the switch is already setup for LACP, and wont bring up the interfaces so i cannot get to apt to install ifenslave :(
[20:18] <hallyn> zul: are you around?
[20:18] <hallyn> zul: do you mind uploading http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4-0ubuntu8-package.tar.gz ?
[20:20] <zul> hallyn: sure
[20:21] <hallyn> zul: thanks
[20:21] <hallyn> zul: now i really have got to look into getting upload rights to the debian lxc package
[20:22] <zul> hallyn: yes tell me about it
[20:22] <hallyn> i've not the slightest clue how, but time to start googling (and email guido)
[20:23] <zul> email guido i think
[20:25] <zul> hallyn: done
[20:27] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah!
[21:50] <Juv1228> hello
[21:50] <Juv1228> im having trouble installing 11.04 from the release CD
[21:50] <Juv1228> i managed to get to installing base system then it asked for the cd labeled Ubuntu-Server 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_ - Release amd64
[21:50] <Juv1228> where my cd is labeled Ubuntu-Server 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Release amd64
[21:51] <Juv1228> also, the CD passed the integrity checks
[21:52] <guntbert> Juv1228: I'm a little confused - now you said "after the installation" and before you said you are in the middle of install ?
[21:53] <Juv1228> guntbert, let me clarify
[21:53] <Juv1228> following the install CD's prompts i get to the "Install Base System" step
[21:54] <Juv1228> hit enter, it starts doing its thing, then at roughly 90% of the way through that step is when it asks for the other CD
[21:55] <guntbert> Juv1228: I see .. I haven't installed server in a while it seems - so no help from me - sorry, but it looks like your CD drive might be faulty
[21:56] <Juv1228> i guess, it was the CD image from the main download page for ubuntu server and has passed integrity checks on the boot menu
[21:56] <alaing> I have a headless ubuntu-server and I'm running php 5.1 who do I upgrade it from shellprompt?
[21:57] <Juv1228> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[21:57] <Juv1228> its the ISO from there, i just hit "download"
[21:57] <guntbert> !md5sum | Juv1228
[21:58] <guntbert> and Juv1228 : might the *drive* be faulty?
[21:59] <Juv1228> not to my knowledge, its fairly new and ive installed several OS's using it
[21:59] <Juv1228> also, isnt that what the integrity checks do on the CD's boot menu?
[22:01] <guntbert> Juv1228: the integrity check runs check on the files, you can run one on the whole iso too, and about the drive - I'm just trying to find a cause
[22:02] <Juv1228> idk, it seems more like the image was built incorrectly or something
[22:03] <Juv1228> or one single part of the installer is looking for a CD labeled Ubuntu-Server 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_ - Release amd64
[22:03] <Juv1228> and wasnt updated or some such
[22:05] <Juv1228> seems like im not the only one
[22:05] <Juv1228> http://ircanswers.com/ubuntu/629471/installing-scratch-ubuntu-server-20110426-mediacdrom
[22:06] <guntbert> Juv1228: *blush*  - only now I see the real difference - sorry for the fuss about md5sum -- if there are more please consider filing a bug report
[22:07] <Juv1228> guess ill just use the mini iso
[22:07] <Juv1228> that guy said it worked, so here we go!
[22:41] <Juv1228> just to confirm for anyone wondering, the ubuntu 11.04 amd64 release CD does not work for me, but the mini cd does
[22:42] <Juv1228> so it appears some house-keeping needs to be done on the 11.04 server cd images
[22:42] <guntbert> Juv1228: please consider filing a bug report
[22:43] <Juv1228> sorry for my stupidity, but ive never had to file one
[22:43] <Juv1228> where exactly do i do it? lo0l
[22:43] <guntbert> !bug | Juv1228
[22:43] <Juv1228> thanks
[22:44] <guntbert> Juv1228: you need to create a launchpad account
[22:45] <Juv1228> i assume my ubuntu sso thing will not work?
[22:45] <guntbert> Juv1228: it should
[23:12] <bencc> how do I uninstall a server I installed with ./configure && make && sudo make install
[23:25] <Pici> bencc: there isn't a standard way of removing things like that.  You could check if the makefile specified an uninstall or remove target. Or next time, use checkinstall and usually you'll be able to somewhat cleanly remove it by removing the package.
[23:25] <Pici> !checkinstall
[23:26] <bencc> Pici: I will, thanks
[23:27] <Pici> bencc: If you're really in a bind, I guess you could reinstall the program using checkinstall this time and then remove it.  Its all a bit iffy though.
[23:28] <bencc> Pici: I agree
[23:29] <bencc> deb packages rock
[23:30] <Juv1228> Pici, wow, thanks for that link


[17:21] <ogra> grmbl ...
[17:21] <ogra> i start to dislike apex ...
[17:24]  * ogra gives up for the day ... at least we have a proper uboot for imx51 now ...
[17:28] <armin76> yey
[19:17] <ojn> It's pretty sad when u-boot is considered an upgrade. :)


[02:08] <babyface> why no precise daily build on  Aug 18, Aug 19, and Aug 20 ?  The latest build number is 20120817.3,   is it frozen for 12.04.1 release?
[02:08] <stgraber> yes
[02:09] <babyface> stgraber, ack. thanks.
[02:19] <phillw> stgraber: any news on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21391/downloads ?
[02:30] <stgraber> fixed
[08:25] <tkamppeter> ScottK, hi
[08:25] <tkamppeter> Anyone around to do an urgent fix on 12.04.1?
[08:30] <Laney> tkamppeter: you know it's past the final freeze?
[08:32] <tkamppeter> Laney, I did not know that, so should I simply make a normal SRU out of that? The thing is that all Samsung printers (on USB) will not work with current 12.04.1 state and a small patch will fix that.
[08:32] <Laney> You'll have to talk to the .1 team (skaet or stgraber) but I expect you should just do a normal SRU, yes.
[08:33] <Laney> sounds like it could be release noted to me
[08:33] <Laney> anyway the first steps are common so you can file the paperwork and upload to -proposed either way
[08:33] <tkamppeter> RAOF, great that you came back (it is late for you?) I have found out that the fix is a small patch.
[08:34] <tkamppeter> Laney, RAOF, as normal SRU it is not so urgent then. I will ask the user to report a separate bug and as soon as I have the bug number I will do the rest.
[08:35] <tkamppeter> RAOF, I do not know whether you got my last comments, the problem with the last CUPS SRU is that all Samsung printers (on USB) will not work. The patch is small.
[08:39] <tkamppeter> RAOF, did you get my last comments?
[08:47] <RAOF> tkamppeter: No, I didn't get your last message.
[08:47] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Sorry, my IRC bouncer has gone all doolalley.
[08:50] <RAOF> tkamppeter: However, we can't leave cups -0ubuntu3 in -updates, given that it's got a regression from -0ubuntu2. Either we fix the regression in -0ubuntu3 and keep the fix for the Canon printers, or we roll back to -0ubuntu2 and unfix the Canon printers.
[08:54] <cjwatson> bdmurray: could you please rename regression-proposed-bug-search.py to just regression-proposed-bug-search, to match the rest of ubuntu-archive-tools?  I'd do it myself but I don't know if you have a cron job somewhere calling it.
[10:02] <tkamppeter> RAOF, still there?
[10:06] <tkamppeter> RAOF, I hope your connection stays stable now.
[10:09] <tkamppeter> RAOF, 0ubuntu2 breaks all Canons, printing the last page only by half, 0ubuntu3 breaks all Samsungs. I have put up a 0ubuntu4 in my PPA now which fixes all this.
[10:10] <Laney> IMHO you should get it uploaded to proposed and tested ASAP
[10:10] <Laney> but I'm no SRU team member
[10:10] <tkamppeter> RAOF, Laney told me that 12.04.1 is after Final Freeze so I should do 0ubuntu4 as normal SRU.
[10:12] <tkamppeter> Laney, RAOF, I did not start the actual SRU yet because the original reporter (he is in Brazil, it is still 7am there) hijacked an existing bug report instead of creating a new one. Now I am waiting for him to read my comments, test my fix in the PPA, and open a new bug report.
[10:13] <Laney> why can't he test it in proposed?
[10:13] <seb128> tkamppeter, it's end of day where RAOF lives, you should just get it uploaded and get somebody else from the SRU team to ack it
[10:14] <Laney> SRU regressions are pretty important to fix in a timely fashion
[10:14] <Laney> is the bugged version on the .1 isos?
[10:15] <seb128> it's in precise-updates so I guess it's on the candidate .1 iso yes
[10:15] <seb128> we should get the fix uploaded asap
[10:15] <seb128> tkamppeter, get the fix uploaded please and let's wait of stgraber or skaet to be online
[10:16] <tkamppeter> seb128, I will do so,
[10:20] <tkamppeter> seb128, uploaded. How should I do the SRU procedure now? On the existing bug or should I create a new bug?
[10:20] <seb128> tkamppeter, use the bug you listed in the changelog of the upload you did
[10:21] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK, I will reopen the bug and update its description ...
[10:22] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok open a new bug and use that one for the changelog
[10:22] <seb128> tkamppeter, you can reupload cups with the new bug reference if you prefer
[10:51] <tkamppeter> seb128, now I have done everything on bug 1032456.
[10:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1032456 in cups "Canon inkjets (and some other printers) print only half of the last page after 20120801 upgrade to v1.5.3-0ubuntu2" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032456
[11:22] <phillw> Hi folks, could some one please advise as to against what this bug should be reported...http://pastebin.com/SRLnr5fB
[11:25] <cjwatson> phillw: Pick one of linux or nvidia-graphics-drivers.  In my distinctly amateur opinion I'd suspect nvidia-graphics-drivers since it could well be fallout from the new X stack.  If you want an actual expert opinion then try #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-x.
[11:27] <phillw> cjwatson: thanks, I'll go ask there. I don't want to give the wrong information to a tester!
[11:59] <phillw> cjwatson: just FYI, #ubuntu-x asked that it be filed against xorg, (the nvidia-drivers are not present on the LiveCD), at least we have a starting point! :D
[12:08] <cjwatson> phillw: ok
[12:17] <smartboyhw> phillw: How is the Lubuntu testing going for 12.04.1?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Sorry, wrong channel
[12:18] <phillw> smartboyhw: lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS, we simply lack enough people to commit
[12:19] <smartboyhw> OK
[12:20] <smartboyhw> phillw: On the extent to your answer, why isn't Lubuntu 12.04 an LTS?
[13:08] <stgraber> tkamppeter: SRU regression fix should probably be included on 12.04.1, assuming it can get accepted into -proposed ASAP and you have testers that can verify it quickly too
[13:11] <stgraber> infinity: if you're already/still around, can you take a look at that cups SRU in the queue? would like it in -proposed for testing ASAP
[13:11] <stgraber> or any SRU team member ^
[13:14] <stgraber> skaet: cups upload is an SRU regression, the package is on the media and it fixes printing on Samsung printers, considering it as a reason for respin, just hoping to have it in -proposed, verified and copied by EOD
[13:43] <tkamppeter> stgraber, seems that the problem now is that no one of the SRU team is in our time zone.
[13:44] <stgraber> ScottK, cjwatson: can one of you review the cups upload in precise proposed?
[13:44] <stgraber> (in the unapproved queue for precise-proposed that's)
[13:58] <skaet> stgraber,   need to understand more details as to whether its a respin reason or not,  since discussion last week pointed to limited scope,  and it can be applied in update.   Depends how much testing has occured at this point.
[13:58] <cjwatson> It's a regression, and I thought we had zero tolerance for those
[13:59] <stgraber> skaet: so far none, that's why I want it in -proposed. Bug description says that it regresses all samsung printers
[13:59]  * xnox has a samsung printer. Is that why I had to readd four times & fiddle with cups to get it to print?
[13:59] <cjwatson> The diff looks fine to me
[14:00] <stgraber> xnox: might be yes, apparently the second printed job gives you garbage
[14:00] <xnox> stgraber: yes!
[14:00] <stgraber> xnox: bug 995111 (relevant part for Samsung is in the testcase section)
[14:00] <skaet> stgraber,  if no testing so far, then +1 on respinning.
[14:00] <ubot2`> stgraber: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/995111)
[14:00] <skaet> however,  looking at the iso tracker there does seem to be some.
[14:01] <xnox> stgraber: funny thing: test page is fine, next job garbage. Readd: skip test page, print one job. (that was 40minutes of my life 3 days ago)
[14:01] <cjwatson> Aren't we building images from -updates and not -proposed anyway?
[14:01] <stgraber> skaet: I was saying, no testing of the SRU, not no testing of 12.04.1 (though I refrained from doing any testing today as I noticed this one being a respin candidate)
[14:03]  * cjwatson accepts since I'm pretty sure this won't affect images until it goes to -updates
[14:03] <tkamppeter> xnox, you could verify the fix if someone of the SRU people approves the -proposed package.
[14:03] <skaet> stgraber,  am fine with it going in -proposed.  images are being made from -updates at this point.
[14:03] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I just did
[14:04] <xnox> tkamppeter: sure.
[14:04] <stgraber> right, we build from -updates, so getting it in -proposed is fine in all cases
[14:04] <stgraber> tkamppeter,xnox: can you get this tested as soon as possible?
[14:05] <tkamppeter> xnox, I have subscribed you to the bug now.
[14:05] <skaet> stgraber,   looks like the iso tracker is showing instances of : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/946718
[14:05] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 946718 in update-notifier "backend_helper.py crashed with RuntimeError in add_signal_receiver(): To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...)" [High,Triaged]
[14:06] <xnox> tkamppeter: I only have a samsung printer, not a canon one.
[14:07] <stgraber> xnox: well, you can at least test the samsung part of the fix, which is the SRU regression
[14:07] <stgraber> then we need someone with an affected canon to confirm we don't regress that part with that new SRU
[14:08] <tkamppeter> xnox, please follow the build status on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/cups/1.5.3-0ubuntu4 and getting to your architecture under Builds. Try to install the new package as soon as possible to give us quick feedback.
[14:09] <xnox> stgraber: tkamppeter: just to be clear with package version numbers: 0ubuntu2 & 0ubuntu4 should be good on samsung; 0ubuntu3 is bad on samsung?!
[14:09] <stgraber> that matches my understanding, yes, tkamppeter can confirm for sure
[14:16] <tkamppeter> xnox, you are absolutely right.
[14:17] <tkamppeter> xnox, i386 and amd64 of the package are successfully built by our servers now.
[14:20] <xnox> ok. let me try this
[14:22] <mvo> would someone have time to sru-review the glib-networking diff in precise-proposed? it unbreaks purchases for certain users
[14:29] <stgraber> tkamppeter: can you help me figure out exactly what set of samsung printers are affected by this bug?
[14:29] <stgraber> tkamppeter: does it depend on specific model, the way they're connected to the machine or just the cups driver?
[14:31] <tkamppeter> stgraber, it is notr sure whether all Samsungs are affected, but users reported similar problems for very different Samsungs. So at least all these users suffer the regression. It happens only if the printer is connected via USB. Network-connected Samsungs do not show the problem.
[14:32] <tkamppeter> stgraber, the printer driver (SpliX, gdi, PostScript, ...) has no influence on this.
[14:32] <stgraber> tkamppeter: ok, I did a quick test and couldn't reproduce on my splix samsungs (ML-1520 and ML-1610) but apparently the CPL model at my parent's place is affected (though usually printing over the network so not a big deal)
[14:34] <xnox> I have CLP-325
[14:35] <xnox> and with -0ubuntu3 i printed two different jobs in a row with color, two pages each just fine.
[14:35] <stgraber> the one at my parents' is a CLP-610
[14:35] <seb128> xnox, isn't that the supposed buggy version?
[14:35] <stgraber> xnox: you mean ubuntu4?
[14:35] <xnox> no, I do mean -0ubuntu3, the one that was meant to be buggy.
[14:36] <stgraber> oh
[14:36] <xnox> i can't reproduce the regression =/ so obviously mine is not affected =/
[14:36] <xnox> it is using foo2qpdl thing
[14:39] <stgraber> hmm, quite annoying that we can't get some kind of list of affected hardware...
[14:39] <stgraber> saying "any samsung printer printing garbage after the first job" is really quite a bad way of letting people know whether they're affected or not ;)
[14:39] <xnox> in syslog I can see how usblp0 was removed & handled after each job.
[14:40] <skaet> s/any/some/  is more accurate, at any rate.   But yes agree would be good to identify which samsung printers are affected.
[14:40] <xnox> i "suposedly" have the same series printer as the bug reporter of bug 992982
[14:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 992982 in cups "Network printing fails. Worked before upgrade to 12.04 (dup-of: 973270)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992982
[14:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 973270 in system-config-printer "Printer does not provide REQUIRED job history." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973270
[14:40] <skaet> tkamppeter, is there a good way of quantifying the affected printers?
[14:40] <xnox> wait a minute, network printing fails?!
[14:41]  * xnox has a 28 page document i need to print, doing two pages at a time is both productive and useful
[14:44] <xnox> ok, I got a test-page printer error remotely.
[14:44] <xnox> upgrading.
[14:47] <tkamppeter> xnox, network printing is not affected by the transition ubuntu2/3/4. You need to connect your Samsung to USB. The ubuntu2 will work, ubuntu3 not and ubuntu4 should work again.
[14:50] <tkamppeter> skaet, assuming that all Samsungs are affected there will be a lot of users, as Samsung makes good laser printers for a rather cheap price.
[14:51] <skaet> tkamppeter, stgraber's did a test with his home printers,  and 2/3 Samsung's worked fine.
[14:51] <stgraber> tkamppeter: well, quite clearly not all of them, the old ones I have around here have been printing 10 separate jobs in a row using 1.5.3-0ubuntu3
[14:51] <skaet> hypothesis is that its the later models.
[14:51] <skaet> s/later/newer/
[14:52] <tkamppeter> skaet, that is possible, all these bug reports are about rather new models.
[14:52] <tkamppeter> stgraber, your Samsung printers are connected via USB?
[14:53] <stgraber> tkamppeter: yep
[14:53] <stgraber> tkamppeter: ML-1520 and ML-1610 over USB (6-7 years old black&white laser models)
[14:54] <tkamppeter> stgraber, seems that your printers are too old to be affected. Problem are possibly only newer printers and then no matter whether bw or color.
[14:54] <xnox> over the network: 0ubuntu3 _did not_ print test page, 0ubuntu4 _did_ print test page.
[14:55] <xnox> I have CPL-325 similar to the one of the dupes bug 992982
[14:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 992982 in cups "Network printing fails. Worked before upgrade to 12.04 (dup-of: 973270)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992982
[14:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 973270 in system-config-printer "Printer does not provide REQUIRED job history." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973270
[14:56] <tkamppeter> xnox, interesting, the difference between ubuntu3 and ubuntu4 is a small patch on the USB backend. So your printer is connected by its ethernet port? Please try it with the printer connected through USB.
[14:56] <xnox> tkamppeter: no. My printer is connected via USB to the server running CUPS. I am printing over the network from a laptop.
[14:57] <tkamppeter> xnox, if you install the test packages ubuntu3 and afterwards ubuntu4 on your server then the test is valid and verifies the SRU.
[14:58] <xnox> I did.
[14:59] <stgraber> xnox: right, so what's you're testing is USB printing (with a remote cups server), not network printing (some Samsung like the CLP-*N* have a builtin web server that supports IPP for real network printing)
[14:59] <tkamppeter> xnox, thenthe Samsung fix in the ubuntu4 SRU is verified.
[14:59] <stgraber> s/'s//
[15:00] <xnox> printing directly on my server worked both with ubuntu3 & ubuntu4
[15:00] <stgraber> xnox: with the same document? (test page)
[15:00]  * xnox mutters something about "network printing, over the network printing, remote cups, etc..."
[15:01] <xnox> stgraber: test page & normal document (2 different pages each time, no repeats so far)
[15:31] <xnox> Simple question: why is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.9-0ubuntu1/+build/3727645 not building
[15:32] <xnox> & launchpad.net/builders says 0 packages in i386 queue
[15:36] <tkamppeter> seb128, I am aware of the c2esp problem, as you have already seen, said lib moved to cups-filters
[15:37] <tkamppeter> seb128, I can contact the upstream of the package.
[15:37] <seb128> tkamppeter, that would be good
[15:37] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:37] <infinity> xnox: That is kinda curious...
[15:38] <xnox> infinity: no-change reupload? =)
[15:38] <tumbleweed> because the score isn't over 9000?
[15:38] <tumbleweed> :)
[15:38] <ogra_> low score empties the queue ?
[15:39] <skaet> stgraber,  onces the cups fix tests out we'll move it to upgrades and pick it up for any images that choose to respin,  others will get it as a zero day SRU.
[15:39] <xnox> tumbleweed: that only applies if the source package name is longer than 6 characters & it's in the netbook remix package set.
[15:40] <xnox> ogra_: i wouldn't think 2555 is low, for a package in main
[15:40] <ogra_> well, i wouldnt think 5000 is low, depends on the perspective
[15:40] <xnox> infinity: more interesting is how many other packages are like that.
[15:40] <ogra_> though i still dont get the connection with the empty queue
[15:41] <Laney> paging wgrant :P
[15:41] <Laney> ah, already done in -ops
[15:41] <wgrant> Yeah
[15:41] <xnox> ogra_: well at first i386 were busy building what not. now they are doing nothing, yet they could be building cmake...
[15:41] <wgrant> Can it wait until the morning?
[15:41] <Laney> cmake is rather urgent, because skew
[15:41] <wgrant> OK, let me see what I can do now
[15:41] <Laney> hard to know for others due to not being able to see what they are
[15:42] <wgrant> Yeah
[15:42] <wgrant> I might fix cmake now
[15:42] <xnox> wgrant: please make it build =) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.9-0ubuntu1/+build/3727645
[15:42] <xnox> wgrant: thanks a *tonne* =)
[15:43] <wgrant> It's fallout from when there were two buildd-managers running simultaneously due to an unfortunate accident before the DC move
[15:45] <stgraber> ogra_: I rescored it when it was mentioned, to check if LP would somehow refresh and re-schedule it
[15:45] <xnox> stgraber: 9000? didn't help =(
[15:46] <stgraber> xnox: yeah, I know, I didn't bother down-scoring it after I saw it didn't help
[15:46] <ogra_> as long as it thinks the queue is empty ...
[16:11] <stgraber> tkamppeter: do you know people you can try to directly ping/email to test on Canon and Samsung printers?
[16:12] <stgraber> we apparently won't respin for it but it'll be included if we need to respin for something else. However we will allow individual product leads to respin if they want and we certainly want the fix for the regression in -updates ASAP
[16:12]  * stgraber -> lunch
[16:13]  * skaet nods
[16:33] <bjf> infinity: feel like accepting my kernel pkgs?
[16:39] <wgrant> xnox, Laney: I've requeued all 9 affected builds
[16:39] <wgrant> And cmake is building on at least i386 now
[16:39] <Laney> cheers, the archive thanks you
[16:39] <xnox> wgrant: thank you very much.
[16:48] <tkamppeter> stgraber, I tried to contact the users per Launchpad message, but as I have only 3 message permission per day I cannot contact 8 users. Can someone raise my permission? Or could it be generally rasied for Canonical employees?
[16:51] <bjf> any AA feel like accepting the kernel pkgs in the queue?
[16:53] <infinity> bjf: I'm on it this morning, yes.
[16:54] <bjf> infinity: thanks
[17:03] <tkamppeter> stgraber, succeeded to contact two more users by e-mail.
[17:45] <tkamppeter> stgraber, ScottK, I got confirmation by one user that the new CUPS SRU still fixes the last-page-not-completely-printed problem, the original problem of bug 1032456.
[17:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1032456 in cups "Canon inkjets (and some other printers) print only half of the last page after 20120801 upgrade to v1.5.3-0ubuntu2" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032456
[18:19] <skaet> ScottK, Riddell - if the ducks line up and we get the cups fix moved to -updates today, do you want Kubuntu images respun?
[18:22] <skaet> scott-work, astraljava, knome, ^  how about for your flavors?
[18:22]  * skaet knows that Edubuntu wants respinning.  ;)
[18:28] <stgraber> jibel: any chance you or someone from your team can do a wubi upgrade test? the result on the tracker currently is a bit worrying
[18:29] <jibel> stgraber, I'll do it tonight if my connection is stable for more than 10 minutes
[18:29] <utlemming> who is managing the jenkins instance while Mr. Page is away? I have a job whilst testing the cloud images that seems to have gone to lunch and that means that I can't do any further testing
[18:29] <jibel> utlemming, which job ?
[18:30] <utlemming> jibel: precise-server-ec2
[18:30] <utlemming> it should complete in a few hours, it's been hung for over three days
[18:31] <knome> skaet, what does that fix anyway? :]]
[18:33] <knome> i'd vote for no respin, but i'll let astraljava have the last word.
[18:33] <skaet> knome,  fix so that some of the Samsung printers work.
[18:33] <stgraber> knome: recent samsung printers printing garbage on the second print job
[18:33] <skaet> we had a regression, with the last cups update
[18:33] <stgraber> (where "recent" is sadly an unknown set of printers)
[18:33] <knome> hmh. :|
[18:33] <skaet> it can be zero day SRU though.
[18:34] <knome> what does that mean? :)
[18:34] <skaet> which is what Ubuntu's likely to do.
[18:34] <stgraber> right, which means that if you have users working with a live environment or don't -updates they won't be able to print
[18:34] <stgraber> but everyone else will have an update available right after the 12.04.1 release
[18:34] <knome> that sounds good - but does that still need a respin?
[18:35] <jibel> utlemming, looking
[18:35] <knome> skaet, btw, if there's something i should still sign, please remind me; if not and i missed at least one thing, sorry
[18:35] <utlemming> jibel: thank you kindly
[18:35] <skaet> Once its in -updates,  people will get it applied,  same way other bug fixes.
[18:36] <knome> so no respin now?
[18:36] <stgraber> knome: that's what we're asking you ;) Edubuntu considers that we have enough users using the live media or a usb disk made from the live media that we will respin for this
[18:36] <jibel> utlemming, can I safely kill them all ?
[18:36] <stgraber> but the decision is up to you for xubuntu
[18:36] <jocarter> stgraber: which bug is that?
[18:36] <skaet> knome,  please review the Release Notes,   and once the testing is finished,  will need you (or someone designated from Xubuntu team) to sign off on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest/12.04.1 that the images are ready to ship.
[18:37] <stgraber> jocarter: bug 1032456
[18:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1032456 in cups "Canon inkjets (and some other printers) print only half of the last page after 20120801 upgrade to v1.5.3-0ubuntu2" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032456
[18:37] <knome> aha, right. i'll still say no respin for now, if the update is available later for everybody
[18:37] <skaet> knome - Release Notes to be reviewed for any updates are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu/
[18:38] <skaet> any key changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1 should be ADDED to the page,  as should any bugs you want to make sure your users are warned of.
[18:38] <stgraber> jocarter: I haven't started validating 12.04.1 yet for Edubuntu, so respinning was an easy decision to make ;)
[18:38] <skaet> :)
[18:39] <jibel> utlemming, I deleted precise-ec2 that was running for 3 days and ec2-daily which was running for 5 days
[18:39] <jocarter> ok, well, I'm busy with really boring work at work this week that I'd like to avoid if possible, so if there's something that needs "urgent testing" at some point then that will be nice.
[18:39] <utlemming> jibel: yikes
[18:39] <knome> skaet, ok, thanks. i'll take care of that
[18:40] <knome> skaet, when's the "testing deadline" ?
[18:40] <stgraber> jocarter: I'll keep that in mind ;) but I tested the images on Saturday so I'm quite confident we won't have anything blow up for Edubuntu at least
[18:40] <skaet> knome,  testing deadline is EOD Wednesday\
[18:40] <knome> skaet, oki :)
[18:40] <skaet> where EOD Wednesday is 2100 UTC.  ;)
[18:40] <knome> hehe
[18:40] <knome> yeah, sounds like EOD for me... (0000 here)
[18:41] <skaet> :)
[18:44]  * skaet --> lunch,  biab
[18:44] <jibel> utlemming, for info they were all blocked on "bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-server-ec2-testing-dev/+junk/ec2-automated-tests tests"
[18:45] <jibel> utlemming, do you want to replay the builds I aborted ?
[18:45] <utlemming> jibel: interesting....no, I'll kick new ones
[18:46] <jibel> utlemming, ok
[18:47] <scott-work> skaet: i'm sorry, i missed the question
[18:48] <scott-work> oh, skaet, if this a fix for samsung printers then i think ubuntu studio can skip the respin/retest
[18:57] <jibel> stgraber, I asked for more info, I'm not even sure he did an upgrade
[19:16] <tkamppeter> stgraber, I have now one user who confirmed Samsung working and another user who confirmed his Canonb continuing to work.
[19:19] <stgraber> infinity: if you consider that good enough as a verification for the cups SRu regression, can you please release it to -updates? ^
[19:30] <infinity> stgraber: I'll have a gander at that in a sec.
[20:22] <infinity> stgraber: Released.
[20:23] <stgraber> infinity: thanks, I'll wait for the publisher and start respinning Edubuntu
[20:29] <tkamppeter> infinity, thank you very much.
[20:31] <infinity> bjf: ^-- You didn't need to copy those again. :P
[20:31] <infinity> bjf: (I was going to batch all of precise together with the arm kernels)
[20:31] <bjf> infinity: my bad. i'll back away from the kbd
[20:53]  * infinity lunches.
[20:54] <skaet> scott-work,  yup that was the question.   How goes testing?  any surprises/concerns?
[20:57] <jibel> stgraber, upgrade from Oneiric in Wubi works fine on bare-metal. 32 and 63bit
[20:57] <jibel> 64bit even
[20:58] <stgraber> jibel: good to hear, so that was a completely unrelated bug reported on the tracker then
[20:58] <skaet> :)
[21:00] <jibel> stgraber, my feeling is that he is talking about an installation not an upgrade. and he's installing Wubi i386 on WindowsXP running in a VM on Windows7
[21:01] <jibel> he can probably embed more OS but he'll reach a limit at some point
[21:14] <scott-work> skaet: i don't think anyone has run into any surprises at this point
[21:23] <skaet> scott-work,  thanks.
[21:28] <skaet> ScottK,  Riddell - do you want the respin to pick up the CUPs fix for Samsung printers or not?
[21:29] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've been offline all day.
[21:32] <skaet> ScottK,  a fix has been move to -updates.   We're not respinning ubuntu for it, but picking it up as 0 day SRU,  Edubuntu's respinning now though, and so wanted to know your preference.
[21:32] <ScottK> skaet: We've got no current results, so I'd say respin.  I'd wait for a bit to see if Riddell  checks in and has a different opinion.
[21:34] <skaet> ScottK,  lets time bound this then,  since its late for Riddell,  and coming up on EOD for North America.   If he doesn't say otherwise in next hour,  we plan on respinning.   Fair?
[21:34] <ScottK> Fair.
[21:34] <ScottK> I'll be offline for about 90 minutes very shortly.
[21:34] <skaet> stgraber, ^    Let me know if you want me to kick the images off.
[21:36] <skaet> ScottK,  ok.   Will let you know outcome when you're back online.
[21:37] <seb128> skaet, ubuntu doesn't respin with that fix? do we have an idea how much of the samsung printers are broken?
[21:37] <stgraber> skaet: I'll do it
[21:38] <stgraber> seb128: that's the problem, we don't really know. I confirmed that old models (6-7 years old) don't seem to be affected, but we don't have a lot of users of the more recent models to get an idea of how many are broken
[21:38] <skaet> seb128,  it will get picked up as 0-day SRU.
[21:38] <skaet> (and we can release note it as such)
[21:38] <seb128> well, lot of people have offline installs
[21:39] <seb128> is a respin really too much extra work at this point?
[21:40] <skaet> its not the respin,  its the retesting.
[21:41] <seb128> well, that's a side effect of the respin
[22:14] <cjwatson> skaet,Daviey: I just happened to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest and noticed that the server images are described as "livecd".  I think this is misleading.  They aren't live images - they use a squashfs to improve base system installation performance, but that's essentially an implementation detail and not the sort of fundamental change suggested by the "livecd" image type.
[22:15] <cjwatson> We should probably simply call that "server", as before.
[22:16] <Daviey> cjwatson: err, yeah.. i didn't know it had changed
[22:16] <skaet> cjwatson,  if Daviey is fine with changing them back, I'm ok with it.
[22:17] <skaet> Daviey, it was likely me.
[22:17] <Daviey> oh.. ok
[22:17] <Daviey> I don't think i care enough either way TBH :)
[22:19] <cjwatson> I've changed it back to server
[22:19] <Daviey> super
[22:20] <xnox> Now that cmake is build and published (due to previous fallout), can somebody please retry ball powerpc & armel builds?
[22:20] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ball/1.4.1+20111206-4/+build/3730436
[22:20] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ball/1.4.1+20111206-4/+build/3730433
[22:20] <Daviey> xnox: done
[22:21] <xnox> Daviey: merci =)
[22:21] <Daviey> "Start in 20 hours"
[22:21] <infinity> Yeah, it'll get there.
[22:21] <infinity> The weekend wasn't kind to us.
[22:22] <xnox> infinity: Daviey: well armel & powerpc are busy building gcc & thunderbird.... no surprise the acquired backlog ;-)
[22:22]  * xnox it was empty earlier.... hehe
[22:23] <infinity> xnox: "empty"?
[22:23] <infinity> xnox: You mean "nothing was building because the world was broken".
[22:23] <xnox> infinity: yes, that =)
[22:23] <infinity> xnox: The ARM and PPC queue haven't been empty since the DC move started last week.
[22:23] <Daviey> well, the chances of introducing regressions was smaller.. so it's not all bad.
[22:32] <infinity> cjwatson: Thanks for the override length fixes.
[22:33] <cjwatson> YW
[22:55] <stgraber> no reply from Riddell, starting the Kubuntu respin
[23:01] <stgraber> in progress
[23:09]  * xnox ponders if fixing bug 947107 quickly wil make it into 12.04.1 release....
[23:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947107 in ubiquity "No partition labels in 12.04 partition wizard" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947107
[23:10] <stgraber> no
[23:12] <xnox> stgraber: =(
[23:12] <stgraber> xnox: unless that's a regression from the 12.04 release, I'd prefer not to have any non-critical installer fix as that'd need rebuild of pretty much everything but core and server and would need full re-testing
[23:12] <stgraber> so we're looking at >24h just for the rebuild+basic re-test time
[23:13] <xnox> i see, that *is* stressful.


[23:29] <TJ-> pengwen_: I'd have go back through my logs, but some kind of HP Pavillion I think. I suspect it was related to the HDMI audio and built-in analogue audio both using the snd_hda_intel kernel module.  ... The Windows install worked correctly too.
[23:30] <TJ-> Interestingly I found lots of HP Pavillion users reporting the same issue on Windows too, so I figured it was something to do with the PC's firmware / hardware
[23:30] <pengwen_> that's too bad that was his first linux experience.  he will be unlikely to try it out again anytime in the future
[23:32] <Ben64> unless he starts eating cheetos
[23:37] <TJ-> :)
[23:37] <sutang> good morning
[23:38] <sutang> Beijing, it's 07:38
[23:43] <jaranGoyang> hi all
[23:43] <jaranGoyang> i am new at ubuntu
[23:43] <jaranGoyang> what should i do 1st?
[23:45] <Bashing-om> !manual | jaranGoyang
[23:47] <jaranGoyang> ubottu its free book?
[23:54] <OerHeks> lots of sites with tips what to do after install https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts https://fullcirclemagazine.org/ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[23:54] <jaranGoyang> OerHeks oke thanks dude
[23:55] <TJ-> Why do those sites never include "Make a mug of hot chocolate" ?
[23:56] <jaranGoyang> i like chocolate
[23:57] <ubuntu1> Is there a way to make a symbolic link where the contents inside the linked directory are not visible in the directory linking it but are still accessible?  For example:   mkdir A B && cd A && ln -s B/ ./  (links the contents of B into A).  <--  such that the items in B are not visible in A but are accessible from A ??
[23:57] <ubuntu1> I'm just trying to hide the mess but still have access to it (a sore of 'pass through' I guess)
[23:59] <TJ-> ubuntu1: sounds like you want an inverted form of an overlayfs !
[23:59] <pirx> hello! i am running 17.10 desktop. does anyone know where i conf (i use unity) what happens when i close the lid on the laptop?


[00:00] <tassadar_> you probably don't want to build new initrd - it is easiest to just use existing one
[00:00] <tassadar_> kernel is stored in "boot.img" file, which can be built using "abootimg" tool, it is in Ubuntu's repositories, so you can just apt-get it
[00:01] <tassadar_> with it, you can extract existing boot.img, replace the zImage and build new boot.img
[00:02] <mmenefee> okay, yeah, I've seen a bit on that.
[00:03] <TheMuso`> tassadar_: Urm you do need a new init, particularly if the kernel version/uname -r output is different.
[00:03] <TheMuso`> initrd even
[00:03] <tassadar_> why would you?
[00:04] <TheMuso`> He built a custom kernel. It depends on how this was built, but the version string may have changed.
[00:04] <tassadar_> I don't think there are any kernel modules
[00:04] <mmenefee> I built a few things as modules...
[00:05] <mmenefee> I might be able to just push them into the rootfs...
[00:05] <tassadar_> even then, you probably don't need them in initrd
[00:05] <mmenefee> guess I've always just done kernels and initrds as pairs.  Old habits die hard...
[00:05] <tassadar_> are we talking about ubuntu touch or ubuntu desktop?
[00:09] <mmenefee> I _think_ desktop.  The raring desktop preinstalled for nexus7.
[00:09] <tassadar_> yeah, that's desktop
[00:09] <mmenefee> yeah, this boot.img: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/raring/release/ubuntu-13.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg
[00:12] <mmenefee> the existing initrd.img is ~3MB, so it has _something_ in it.  I'll have to check what...
[00:12] <tassadar_> well, the init bash script and some basic tools to mount the system
[00:12] <tassadar_> *system partition
[00:13] <mmenefee> dumb question: are the build scripts used by the daily build servers in a git archive or some such?
[00:13] <tassadar_> it is built by update-initramfs and then flash-kernel package I think
[00:13] <mmenefee> might be helpful just to look at how the cdimage files are built...
[00:13] <tassadar_> or do you mean build scripts for whole image? I don't know about those
[00:14] <tassadar_> btw, abootimg -x created file "boot.cfg" or something like that. Remove parameter "bootsize" from it, and make sure you use this config file when rebuilding the boot.img
[00:15] <mmenefee> yeah, whole image.  I.e. what runs every day and pushes daily builds or releases out...
[00:15] <mmenefee> okay, I'll give it a rip
[00:17] <tassadar_> flash-kernel tool can probably be used to flash the kernel...hmm
[00:17] <tassadar_> without rebuilding the image
[00:17] <tassadar_> huh
[00:18] <tassadar_> you can probably just push the zImage to /boot, put modules where there belong and generate initramfs with "update-initramfs"
[00:18] <tassadar_> and ubuntu will take care of the rest
[00:20] <mmenefee> yeah, that works for checking it out... but if I want to replicate it to some other devices later
[00:20] <mmenefee> though, I guess I could just dd back off the device after I get it like I want it...
[00:20] <tassadar_> well, it would be better if you'd learn how to build the boot.img by yourself then, it's pretty easy with abootimg anyway
[01:46] <Brun0L3z> So I am totally confused and desperate, that is why I am here, I have an HP pavilion m6 with an inbuilt SD slot but when i plug in the SD card (4 GB) i do not get a mount,m nothing happens. I am thinking its a driver prob but i have no idea how to verify that.
[08:35] <Rjs> mmenefee: I'm not sure if I remember correctly (it's been half a year), but I think I built a custom kernel for nexus7 (desktop) simply by running debuild in the source directory (on the tablet, not cross-compiling) and installing the produced .deb with dpkg -i
[08:35] <Rjs> _if_ the other devices you want to replicate to already have ubuntu desktop installed, a .deb package is probably the cleanest way to replicate a new kernel (that way versions etc. are also visible in apt)
[08:41] <Rjs> (I also remember trying to find the scripts that generate the ubuntu preinstalled images, but I didn't find them, or any documentation on how exactly these images differ from plain ubuntu or debian armhf... though I didn't look very hard)
[22:17] <cjoseph> we have an AM3505 CPU in our system. Has anybody used ubuntu with this processor or a related one?
[22:18] <cjoseph> we curently use something called WindRiver linux, but are considering changing
[22:44] <hrw> cjoseph: am3505 is omap3 or sitara family from TI
[22:45] <hrw> cjoseph: perfectly fine to run ubuntu as long as you will take care of bootloader and kernel stuff
[22:45] <hrw> cjoseph: but no idea how X11 and video/opengles acceleration would look like


[03:25] <Evilbluekoala626> Hello Xubuntu chat. Any chance I could see if anyone can help me real fast?
[03:26] <well_laid_lawn> !ask
[03:27] <Evilbluekoala626> Sorry. Habit to make sure chat was alive. I'm trying to find a way to sync my Palm M125 to Bionic Beaver
[03:27] <Evilbluekoala626> I can't find Gpilot anywhere. What are my other options?
[03:31] <Evilbluekoala626> And in case this matters, my system has 3 gb of ram with 2.0 ghtz dualcore. I'm also using a serial to attempt this.
[03:31] <well_laid_lawn> most web pages about that are old
[03:32] <well_laid_lawn> !info jpilot
[03:32] <well_laid_lawn> does that ↑ help ?
[03:32] <Evilbluekoala626> Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Any chance it's compatible with Bionic beaver?
[03:33] <Evilbluekoala626> I know what I'm asking for may be old and outdated. I'm just seeing if there's any life I can breathe into it without resorting to windows.
[16:44] <Kumool> firefox went crazy allocating memory
[16:48] <Kumool> so I'm going to make a while (sleep 5) { swapincreased && killworstproc }, but I'm wondering if anyone has a better solution
[17:01] <brainwash> Kumool: join the mozilla IRC server and ask there
[17:03] <Kumool> mozilla has an irc server!?
[17:03] <Kumool> alright, thanks brainwash
[18:31] <enigma> slm turt var mı?
[18:32] <enigma> hi, are there Turks here?


[00:00] <jchris> rickspencer3:  I'd need a basic primer on launchpad first… but I gotta get on a train now.
[00:36] <openyost> Howdy All, I'm runnin Karmic and after removing all ubuntuone pakages completely and reinstalling and restarting ubuntuone I still don't get the option to add the computer to my account.  Any ideas?
[00:38] <jdobrien_> openyost, Go to applications > Accessories > and open Passowords and Encryption Keys
[00:38] <openyost> Tried and no luck
[00:38] <openyost> not even an ubuntuone password stored
[00:39] <jdobrien_> openyost, On the passwords tab look for UbuntuOne Token....do you have one?
[00:40] <openyost> jdobrien_, nope no token for ubuntuone
[00:40] <jdobrien_> the full name is UbuntuOne token for https://one.ubuntu.com
[00:40] <jdobrien_> ok
[00:40] <jdobrien_> you're on karmic?
[00:40] <openyost> yep
[00:40] <jdobrien_> are there any log files in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[00:41] <openyost> yes
[00:44] <openyost> oauth-login.log                                syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2010-04-12_18-55-28  syncdaemon.log.2010-04-12_18-37-06  syncdaemon.log.2010-04-12_19-25-02
[00:44] <openyost> syncdaemon-exceptions.log                      syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2010-04-12_19-01-06  syncdaemon.log.2010-04-12_18-44-27  u1sync.log
[00:44] <openyost> syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2010-04-12_18-37-06  syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2010-04-12_19-25-02  syncdaemon.log.2010-04-12_18-55-28
[00:44] <openyost> syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2010-04-12_18-44-27  syncdaemon.log                                 syncdaemon.log.2010-04-12_19-01-06
[00:44] <jdobrien_> openyost, lets see the latest syncdaemon-exceptions. can you paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[00:46] <openyost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413381/
[00:51] <jdobrien_> openyost, hmm. That strange.
[00:52] <jdobrien_> openyost, do you have a standard install with firefox etc?
[00:54] <openyost> jdobrien_, yep I also had chrome as the default but it worked fine on my other laptop this morniing.  I switched back to firefox as default and still same issue
[00:55] <jdobrien_> strange
[00:55] <jdobrien_> openyost, it looks like I'm not going to be able to resolve your issue as most of the team has gone for the day.
[00:55] <openyost> it's all good thanks tho
[01:51] <dobey> ajmitch: i thought i already marked it invalid or something
[02:00] <ajmitch> dobey: thought I'd check before I did so :)
[02:01] <dobey> ajmitch: well, 1.1.1 is obviously < 1.1.9x :)
[02:03] <ajmitch> obviously, but the diff was for the current version :)
[02:09] <dobey> if you just looked at it now, probably, since the latest version would have been pushed already, yes :)
[02:09] <dobey> anyway, i marked it invalid
[03:03] <wgrant> Interesting.
[03:03] <wgrant> The gwibber update this morning which supposedly prevented gwibber_messages syncing has actually caused it to start again, after I disabled it a few weeks ago.
[03:04] <wgrant> Oh, wait, that was a month ago, not this morning.
[03:04]  * wgrant misread the bug.
[03:04] <wgrant> But still, it's started syncing gwibber_messages to U1, which eats all of my upstream bandwidth.
[03:25] <lifeless> wgrant: _lol_
[06:26] <skorange> i've been playing with ubuntuone for a few days now
[06:26] <skorange> i have to say
[06:26] <skorange> this is awesome
[06:27] <skorange> tomboy integration with simple sync.  this is so slick
[06:27] <skorange> being able to view and edit files online as well - this is great'
[06:27] <skorange> afaik no one else does this - not dropbox, or others
[06:28] <skorange> now i really want a mobile-phone accesible interface to my tomboy notes
[06:31] <beuno> skorange, it's on our roadmap to do that  :)
[06:31] <beuno> files/notes/contacts
[06:32] <skorange> niiice
[06:33] <skorange> beuno, are you involved with the project?
[06:34] <beuno> skorange, I am, I'm one of the developers
[06:34] <beuno> a developer with insomnia, but still a developer   :)
[06:35] <skorange> ha i see:)
[06:35] <skorange> well i have to say, in case i haven't gushed enough, i'm very impressed
[06:36] <beuno> I appreciate the comment, I will pass it on!
[06:37] <beuno> skorange, speaking of mobile verisons
[06:37] <beuno> er, versions
[06:38] <beuno> have you seen our contact sync for mobile phones?
[06:38] <beuno> we launched an alpha version last week
[06:38] <skorange> well actually
[06:38] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/PhoneSync/
[06:39] <skorange> yes, i've not had luck with the iphone app
[06:39] <beuno> tell me about it, maybe I can help
[06:39] <skorange> my credentials are always rejected
[06:39] <beuno> have you been to: https://one.ubuntu.com/phones/
[06:39] <beuno> you need to use a special user/pass
[06:40] <skorange> oh, no i hav en't
[06:40] <skorange> i'll check that out
[06:40] <beuno> which is different from the one you use for Ubuntu One
[06:40] <beuno> on that page you just generate the user/pass, and you're on your way
[06:42] <skorange> gotcha, it looks like it's working
[06:43] <skorange> the iphone app login process is counter intuitive in another way as well, in that after entering your info there is no "log in" button, so it's not clear until you try to sync whether you've got a valid user/pass
[06:44] <beuno> ah, that's interesting
[06:48] <beuno> ok, I'm off to bed
[06:49] <beuno> skorange, if there's anything else we can help you with, feel free to join the mailing list or file bugs
[06:49] <skorange> thanks
[06:49] <skorange> i just saw all my contacts in evolution
[06:49] <skorange> very slick
[06:49] <skorange> goodnight
[07:49] <diverse_izzue> verterok, i hate to be a killjoy, but after installing the nightly i still have my hard disk churning, and a waiting-content queue of 6000 items... :-(
[09:32] <diverse_izzue> verterok, are you around?
[10:37] <incorrect> silly question,  are there plans to offer more than 50gb?
[10:48] <PaulGit> vds: ping
[10:58] <emry> Is there a way to reset my couchedb completely so that the ubuntuone directory and the server are bloth blank and can start over? ^^
[11:08] <rye> emry, yes, there is a way, why do you want to do that?
[11:14] <rye> To whom notes oops right when you switch to the notes tab - could you please check whether https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/notes/ works for you ?
[11:28] <emry> rye, strange issues. I am wondering if the cause was my use of the software. :P  I tried deleting everything from my database locally, gave it time to update the server.. Then I coppied everything back into place.  A few hours later all that was on the server was the directory tree. ^^;;
[11:29] <rye> emry, are you talking about the file sync or couchdb sync (i.e. notes/contacts)
[11:29] <emry> :P I also purchased a song on the music store, and it constantly says it is transfering but never does. ^^;
[11:29] <emry> The file sync. ^^ The whole thing is a couchdb. :P
[11:30]  * emry may still need to learn some of the terms used here. :)
[11:31] <emry> Ok.. I am rebooting real quick, then I will be back.
[11:32]  * emry is currently in Windows, but wwhat needed to be done there is done, and he can get back to a real OS.. :P (Even if beta craziness is still the thing of the day. hehehehehe)
[12:32] <diverse_izzue> nessita, verterok, you guys around? i'm sorry but yesterday's fix didn't help me. my syncdaemon is still churning hd and has thousands of files waiting in the queue.
[12:33] <nessita> diverse_izzue: hello there! how did you try it?
[12:33] <nessita> diverse_izzue: what steps did you take, etc
[12:34] <diverse_izzue> nessita, i upgraded from nightly ppa. i deleted the ubuntuone directories in .conf, .local and .cache. then u1sdtool --start and --connect
[12:34] <nessita> diverse_izzue: you removed .local/ubuntuone? :-/
[12:34] <diverse_izzue> nessita, yes
[12:34] <nessita> diverse_izzue:  that's were all your metadata files was stored
[12:34] <nessita> where*
[12:35] <diverse_izzue> nessita, so was that a bad idea?
[12:35] <nessita> yes :-(
[12:35] <nessita> diverse_izzue: anyways, let's keep digging
[12:35] <diverse_izzue> nessita, but it restores it somehow, maybe from the server?
[12:35] <nessita> diverse_izzue: yes. but we can ensure consistency of any local changes you'd have
[12:36] <nessita> can't*
[12:36] <nessita> :-)
[12:36] <diverse_izzue> ok, my bad, sorry. so what's next
[12:36] <nessita> diverse_izzue: could you please the whole content of the .cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf?
[12:37] <rodrigo_> bug #480701
[12:37] <nessita> diverse_izzue: could you please paste*
[12:37] <nessita> (sorry I'm sleepy still :-P)
[12:38] <diverse_izzue> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/413601/
[12:39]  * nessita looks
[12:40] <diverse_izzue> oh, nessita, i just realised that my folder is back to "subscribed" is that because i deleted those config directories?
[12:40] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok, can you please paste now the log file? .cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[12:41] <diverse_izzue> nessita, just give me a sec, i'll try unsubscribing an restarting the daemon. it might actually work if i'm unsubscribed :-)
[12:43] <nessita> diverse_izzue: right, becasue you deleted the metadata and the unsubscription went away with that
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> nessita, it's doing a server rescan which seems to take a while. i'll let it do it's thing for a while and report back
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> thanks
[12:46] <duanedesign> Emry: if you deleted you contents from U1 folder and then replaced it and currently only shows folders on server then it has probably just copied metadata so far and the files should follow.
[12:46] <rodrigo__> bug #458453
[12:46] <Emry> duanedesign, Should the time it takes to upload less than a hundred MB be measured in days? ^^;
[12:47]  * Emry is in this for the long haul though.  ^^
[12:47] <Emry> I see this as a very worthwhile endeavor.   I realize it will take time to iron out all thebugs. ^_^
[12:48] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok then
[12:49]  * Emry tries to remember the name of the script that acts as the ui. ^^;
[12:50] <duanedesign> Emry: what version of Ubuntu ONe do you have.  apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[12:50] <Emry> apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[12:50] <Emry> ack wrong button ^_^
[12:50] <Emry> 1.1.91-0ubuntu1
[12:51]  * Emry is running lucid. ^_^
[12:51] <Emry> --waiting-content gives a long list, but --current-transfers shows 0 ^^
[12:52] <duanedesign> Emry: if you are 'connected' what does u1sdtool -s  say. If you could paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:52] <Emry>  description: doing auth dance  << Interesting status description :)
[12:52] <duanedesign> ahh
[12:53] <Emry> I tried -s and it said I was offline, so I did a -c
[12:53] <Emry> I think that there may still be some issues with it starting up.
[12:53] <Emry> I still get a crash regularly if I don't sign into the wallet RIGHT away.
[12:53] <duanedesign> Emry: it will say offline till its done doing stuff locally
[12:54] <Emry> I see.
[12:54] <Emry> current state SERVER_RESCAN
[12:54] <Emry> :) I wonder how many people have signed up for the pay service.
[12:55] <diverse_izzue> nessita, i'm back to a working setup. thanks so much. i hope the bug yesterday was an actual bug and not just my incompetence :-)
[12:56] <nessita> diverse_izzue: it was a bug indeed!
[12:56] <nessita> diverse_izzue: thank you :-)
[12:56] <duanedesign> Emry: do you see anything in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log that has a current timestamp
[12:56] <diverse_izzue> nessita, emphasis on "was" :-)
[12:57] <nessita> ;-)
[12:58] <Emry> duanedesign, >:) It is empty! ^_^
[13:02] <duanedesign> Emry: Server_Rescan is the last state before going online. So after it is done with that it should go online
[13:02] <apachelogger> hullos o/
[13:02] <Emry> :) How long should a rescan take in general? :)
[13:12] <duanedesign> Emry: depends on the number of files. What does this return:    find ~/Ubuntu\ One | wc -l
[13:13] <Emry> 2935
[13:14] <Emry> description: processing queues :)
[13:16] <rye> Emry, i believe it is processing the items in u1sdtool --waiting-meta
[13:16] <rye> Emry, bug #531273 :(
[13:17] <Emry> @.@
[13:17] <Emry> :P So, when I go to bed tonight, I should leave my laptop running ^_^
[13:18] <Emry> I have decided though that I will start doing my work in another directory, then copy over the new files manually for the moment.
[13:22] <Emry> u1sdtool --waiting-meta | wc -l     Currently returns 1826 ^^
[13:26] <duanedesign> rye: bug 56210 would you agree that is a duplicate of bug 531273
[13:26] <duanedesign> sorry
[13:26] <duanedesign> bug 562102
[13:26] <duanedesign> ugh
[13:26] <rye> o_O
[13:26] <duanedesign> lol
[13:27] <duanedesign> lmy fingers arent working well this morning
[13:27] <duanedesign> bug 562101
[13:30] <rye> duanedesign, it does not do server rescan unless it has reconnected
[13:30] <rye> and it ...
[13:31] <rye> GetPublicFiles does not work
[13:32] <rye> desktop+ guys, http://paste.ubuntu.com/413621/
[13:41] <duanedesign> rye: ahh, good point
[13:44] <Emry> u1sdtool --waiting-meta | wc -l is down to 1682.. ^_^
[13:44] <Emry> O.o
[13:44] <Emry> Wow...  I just realized that was the same digits just rearranged. ^_^
[13:48] <PaulGit> vds1: ping
[13:49] <vds> PaulGit: pomg
[13:49] <vds> pong
[13:51] <PaulGit> vds: Hi mate, just wanted to say that having read the bug I submitted again I realized I only gave you half the logs, I need to re-do tests and give you logs for initial sync also.
[13:52] <vds> PaulGit: cool, thanks! let me know when you upload.
[13:53] <PaulGit> I am currently in Wales, if I get home at a sensible time tonight I will do it then, if not tomorrow for sure. I trust this is ok?
[13:54] <joshuahoover> rye: is anyone having problems with authorizing with ubuntuone-preferences? i'm getting an "authorization error" with raw html output when trying to setup a fresh lucid beta 2 install
[13:54] <rye> joshuahoover, raw html?
[13:55] <rye> joshuahoover, 500 & oops there or 404 &  not found ?
[13:55] <joshuahoover> rye: checking
[13:56] <PaulGit> vds:  I am currently in Wales, if I get home at a sensible time tonight I will do it then, if not tomorrow for sure. I trust this is ok?
[13:56] <Emry> Hmmm.. I have a download in the ubuntuOne music store that is still "Transfering to your ubuntuOne storage" after two or three days (I forget when I purchased it.)
[13:56] <vds> PaulGit: sure it is!
[13:56] <joshuahoover> rye: it gives me the homepage back, no oops
[13:57] <rye> joshuahoover, i've just updated my lucid vm, it reboots
[13:57] <joshuahoover> rye: cool, thank you!
[13:57] <Emry> :P What is the channel name for the music store again? hehehehe I keep forgetting, and I shall add it to my favorites this time. ^_^
[13:57] <PaulGit> vds: Ok, I will let you know when I'm done. Do you prefer logs attached to bug or is pastebin better?
[13:58] <joshuahoover> Emry: #u1msbeta
[13:58] <Emry> Thanks!
[13:58] <vds> PaulGit: attachments if possible
[13:59] <PaulGit> vds: Attachments it is.  Talk to you later!
[13:59] <vds> PaulGit: thanks
[14:11] <rye> joshuahoover, confirming
[14:11] <rye> joshuahoover, something is broken
[14:12] <joshuahoover> rye: ok, so it's not just me...hmmm
[14:16] <diverse_izzue> nessita, i think i have a few more questions
[14:17] <joshuahoover> rye: so you just get back the raw home page html?
[14:17] <rye> joshuahoover, yes'
[14:22] <rapha> Hi again!
[14:23] <rapha> I was asked on Friday to report if the songs that I had bought in the music store showed up by Tuesday ... now it's Tuesday and there's still 3 songs of an album of 8 songs missing :-}
[14:37] <rye> joshuahoover, bug #562286, creating bugpattern based on OAuth contents and exception string
[14:38] <rye> huh?
[14:38] <rye> joshuahoover, bug #562286 - no reason to keep it private since it is from vm
[14:38] <rye> now if only apport retracer did not kick in...
[14:44] <rye> joshuahoover, ok, bugpattern ready and will be effective in 15 minutes or so, after it is replicated the user will be redirected to the bug #562286 page instead of +filebug one
[14:45] <joshuahoover> rye: great! thank you!
[14:50] <Emry>  u1sdtool --waiting-meta | wc -l is down to 1375 :P
[15:06] <nessita> diverse_izzue: shoot
[15:06] <diverse_izzue> nessita, busy now, will get back to you
[15:07] <nessita> diverse_izzue: np
[15:29] <rye> I got AttributeError: 'UbuntuOneDialog' object has no attribute 'visible', woohoo!
[15:29] <rye> the question is now "why?"
[15:34] <rye> joshuahoover, does that HTML page triggers apport log collection ?
[15:34] <joshuahoover> rye: now that you mention, no, it didn't for me
[15:34] <rye> joshuahoover, bad. it does it for my vm but not in a real world machine
[15:34] <joshuahoover> rye: hmmm...let me test it again just to be sure
[15:38] <bac> rye, alecu: did you get your server upgrade done?  should my music store downloads work now?
[15:38] <rye> aquarius, ^
[15:39] <bac> hi nessita!
[15:39] <joshuahoover> rye: no apport, just an "Ubuntu One: Error" dialog displaying the raw html
[15:39] <nessita> hi bac
[15:39] <aquarius> bac, we got one of them done, but the other's still being worked on. It's fixed some downloads, but not all of them, so yours may work and may not, I'm afraid.
[15:40] <bac> aquarius:  they don't appear to
[15:40] <aquarius> bac, darn. Sorry. We're working on it.
[15:41] <rye> joshuahoover, is there anything ubuntuone related in /var/crash ?
[15:41] <joshuahoover> rye: checking
[15:41] <bac> aquarius:  np and no rush.  just being a conscientious beta tester.  (but i do want my music eventually!)
[15:41] <rye> joshuahoover, something like _usr_lib_ubuntuone-client_ubuntuone-login.\d+.crash
[15:41] <joshuahoover> rye: yep, there is
[15:42] <rye> joshuahoover, awesome. now apport is not cooperating...
[15:42] <joshuahoover> rye: yeah, sigh...
[15:43]  * rye needs reboot, updates hit my laptop...
[15:44] <glauco_brasil> Hi, how I add new computer in ubuntu one?
[16:02] <joshuahoover> rye: and now i get apport when the crash occurs
[16:04] <joshuahoover> rye: why now and not before? not sure
[16:06] <rye> guuuys, I thought that logging.conf introduced to share logging prefs for oauth and syncdaemon
[16:06] <rye>      33 # Only log this level and above
[16:06] <rye>      34 LOG_LEVEL = logging.INFO
[16:06] <rye> hardcoded in ubuntuone-login :(
[16:07] <rye> bug #488425
[16:07] <rye> still
[16:08] <rye> joshuahoover,
[16:09] <rye> joshuahoover, it is our ubuntuone.com rewrites
[17:00] <rockstar> aquarius, ping
[17:01] <aquarius> pong
[17:07] <alefteris> is there a way to disable file sync. I tried to uncheck the option from ubuntu one client preferences window, but when I reload the preferences, its still checked. Thanks
[17:07] <rye> dobey, ^
[17:32] <diverse_izzue> nessita?
[17:33] <rye> to all who are trying to authorize syncdaemon - fixing this at the moment
[17:33] <nessita> dihere
[17:35] <diverse_izzue> so, nessita, current status: my syncdaemon doesn't go crazy upon start anymore, downloaded files from my webspace to local, UDF successfully deleted, also from webspace
[17:35] <nessita> diverse_izzue: nice
[17:36] <diverse_izzue> for the last 4 hours or so however, u1sdtool --status reports "processing queues", and has been constantly downloading at 40-60 kilobit, totalling to some 500MB
[17:36] <diverse_izzue> i assume it's u1 causing that traffic, how can i check?
[17:36] <diverse_izzue> --waiting-metadata says "GetPublicFiles"
[17:37] <nessita> diverse_izzue: --current-transfers show anything?
[17:37] <diverse_izzue> no
[17:37] <diverse_izzue> --waiting-content is also empty
[17:39] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok then, I'll need logs one more time :-)
[17:39] <diverse_izzue> nessita, sure, which?
[17:39] <nessita> diverse_izzue: could you please paste the whole output of syncdaemon.log? or you can email it if you want to
[17:40] <alefteris> I'm also noticing a network slowdown. What's why I asked how to turn of the file sync. Am I having the same problem?
[17:40] <nessita> .cache/ubuntuone/log.syncdaemon.log
[17:40] <nessita> alefteris: I don't think so -- I'm having network slowness too and I have SD turned off
[17:40] <diverse_izzue> nessita, it's 9MB, i'll just put on my webspace
[17:41] <nessita> diverse_izzue: perfect
[17:42] <alefteris> I mean my net connection is conjested because of of something sending/receing (?). And it might be u1. Is there a way to check what proceeses are sendting/receving the most stuff in my network interface?
[17:43] <diverse_izzue> actually, nessita, i have a series of logs 10MB each, it's spamming those!
[17:43] <nessita> diverse_izzue: spamming?
[17:43] <nessita> diverse_izzue: I'd need the last one, syncdaemon.log
[17:43] <diverse_izzue> i mean it's writing tons of into into the logs
[17:43] <diverse_izzue> nessita, www.nbi.dk/~hunziker/syncdaemon.log and syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[17:44] <nessita> diverse_izzue: you should have DEBUG mode one (which is good)
[17:47] <nessita> diverse_izzue: how many public files do you have?
[17:54] <diverse_izzue> nessita, what is a public file?
[17:55] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok, so you don't have any :-)
[17:55] <diverse_izzue> nessita, probably not
[17:58] <nessita> diverse_izzue: I'm looking
[17:59] <nessita> diverse_izzue: how are you accessing the syncdaemon?
[17:59] <nessita> diverse_izzue: are you sing through nautilus? through the command line?
[18:00] <diverse_izzue> nessita, only through u1sdtool
[18:01] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok, please disconnect the daemon: u1sdtool -d
[18:02] <nessita> diverse_izzue: and please paste the latest 100 lines of the log file
[18:06] <diverse_izzue> nessita, syncdaemon-100-last.log from the same URI
[18:07] <nessita> diverse_izzue: thanks
[18:08] <verterok> diverse_izzue: hi
[18:09] <verterok> diverse_izzue: are you running nautilus?
[18:10] <rye> joshuahoover, could you please try authorizing, it looks like the issue is fixed
[18:11] <joshuahoover> rye: trying now...
[18:11] <joshuahoover> rye: great! works!
[18:12] <rye> joshuahoover, although bug #562397 needs to be fixed, fixed and fixed forever!
[18:12] <joshuahoover> rye: yes
[18:12] <Green_Wax> what do i need to do to use ubuntu one on ubuntu 9.10?
[18:13] <dobey> it is included in 9.10
[18:13] <Green_Wax> or maybe it is just that i have dialup internet... does ubuntu one work with dialup?
[18:14] <dobey> yeah, but will be even slower i guess :)
[18:15] <Green_Wax> yeah i can get it to run, but i don't see a way to set up my account
[18:16] <dobey> it should open your browser the first time you run it, to do that
[18:18] <Green_Wax> yeah that is what all of the sites that i have found say, but it does not :(
[18:18] <Green_Wax> also is there any way to change accounts once it has been set up?
[18:20] <nessita> diverse_izzue: we re digging into this
[18:21] <diverse_izzue> verterok, yes i am
[18:21] <diverse_izzue> nessita, great!
[18:22] <nessita> diverse_izzue: in the mean time, can I ask you to try something?
[18:23] <diverse_izzue> nessita, sure
[18:23] <nessita> diverse_izzue: could you please close all the nautilus windows, and then run in a terminal: nautilus --quit
[18:24] <nessita> diverse_izzue: then, show me the output of 'ps aux | grep nautilus'
[18:24] <nessita> diverse_izzue: (without the quotes)
[18:24] <diverse_izzue> nessita, nautilus will probably autorestart, is that ok?
[18:24] <nessita> diverse_izzue: it won't
[18:25] <diverse_izzue> nessita, yes it does
[18:25] <nessita> diverse_izzue: yes, right
[18:26] <nessita> diverse_izzue: ok, keep the syncdaemon disconnected, we have 2 issues here
[18:26] <rye> Green_Wax, we have just fixed bug #562286 that affects authorizations, could you please quit the applet and re-open it?
[18:26] <nessita> diverse_izzue: one: you have the newest client and we haven't deployed the latest version of our server to work with that latest client
[18:27] <nessita> diverse_izzue: two: the nautilus extension is retrying a command in a loop, that will always fails because of the former "one"
[18:27] <Green_Wax> sure
[18:28] <Green_Wax> rye: do i need to DL anything?
[18:28] <rye> Green_Wax, no, that's server-side issue
[18:28] <nessita> diverse_izzue: could you please open a bug for this? description should read something like: GetPublicFiles loop when the url is not available
[18:28] <nessita> diverse_izzue: I'll fill in the blanks and assign to the proper manager
[18:29] <diverse_izzue> nessita, bug for ubuntuone-client?
[18:29] <nessita> diverse_izzue: yes please
[18:30] <Green_Wax> rye: nothing has changed... but i don't think that my issue is server-side
[18:31] <Green_Wax> i have never been able to authenticate my computer because it never opens the browser when i start ubuntu one
[18:31] <rye> Green_Wax, are you running an up-to date installation? what's apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client (the client in stock 9.10 was shipped broken)
[18:32] <diverse_izzue> nessita, that's 562443
[18:32] <diverse_izzue> bug 562443
[18:32]  * rye is also affected by that bug.. will go subscribe myself...
[18:33] <Green_Wax> rye: i have version 1.03
[18:33] <Green_Wax> 1.0.3*
[18:34] <rye> Green_Wax, ok, so you start the applet, but that does not trigger anything, right? Could you please quit the applet and run the following in the terminal - u1sdtool -q
[18:34] <rye> Green_Wax, then in the same terminal run ubuntuone-client-applet
[18:34] <Green_Wax> k hold on
[18:35] <Green_Wax> rye: it starts the applet but still no prompt
[18:38] <nessita> diverse_izzue: thanks!
[18:42] <rye> Green_Wax, could you please pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log @ http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:45] <Green_Wax> yup hang on
[18:47] <Green_Wax> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413779/
[18:47] <Green_Wax> rye: there it is
[18:58] <duanedesign> ubuntuone-login does that fall under desktop+, foundation+, or ops+
[19:00] <rye> duanedesign, i believe that's foundations+, since it is a part of syncdaemon... pretty much
[19:01] <rye> Green_Wax, could you please download and run the following script - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/Diagnostics
[19:01] <Green_Wax> sure
[19:01] <duanedesign> rye: thank you sir. Helpfull as usual :)
[19:12] <james_w> hi, anyone want to help debug an issue with syncdaemon not pulling down something I just purchased in the music store?
[19:14] <james_w> ah, bug 544596 sounds likely to be it
[19:14] <Green_Wax> rye: i can't seem to find the DL for that script
[19:15] <Green_Wax> rye: oh wait... sorry i found it
[19:19] <Green_Wax> rye: bryce@bryce-desktop:~$ python ubuntuone-client-diagnose.py
[19:19] <Green_Wax> Checking your Ubuntu One client...
[19:19] <Green_Wax> Reading package lists... Done
[19:19] <Green_Wax> Building dependency tree
[19:19] <Green_Wax> Reading state information... Done
[19:19] <Green_Wax> No issues were detected.
[19:20] <Green_Wax> oops
[19:20] <Green_Wax> rye: it looks like the script did not find any problems
[21:23] <brad[]> Hi folks. I just mistakenly billed $10 to the wrong Ubuntu One account. Who can I talk to about financial support?
[21:23] <beuno> hi brad[]
[21:23] <beuno> mattgriffin, is your guy
[21:23] <brad[]> mattgriffin: Hi there
[21:25] <mattgriffin> brad[]: happy to help you. please go to the ubuntu one website (http://one.ubuntu.com/) and choose Billing Assistance from the Support page. Fill out the form and we'll take care of ya. thanks
[21:25] <brad[]> mattgriffin: Much appreciated
[21:26] <mattgriffin> brad[]: no problem :)
[21:32] <Green_Wax> rye: you there
[21:38] <lherrmann> Hi! Is this a problem on my end or is file sync broken again? I keep getting disconnected...
[21:47] <verterok> lherrmann: it's a server side issue, we are rolling out new code to the server(s)
[21:48] <lherrmann> okay, thanks for the reply! is there an ETA? I'm waiting for my music. ;)
[21:49] <beuno> lherrmann, we should have things back up in 20-30 minutes tops
[21:50] <lherrmann> alright, thanks!
[21:53] <brad[]> I'm trying to sign up and use this stuff for the first time
[21:53] <brad[]> That's good timing :P
[22:09] <brad[]> Will there be Windows clients for Ubuntu One? If the service can scale out it would be decent income to put toward Ubuntu development n'est pas?
[22:59] <brad[]> Is it still down? :\
[23:05] <lherrmann> Don't think so, it works for me again. (Except for the fact that some songs of my last album purchase still haven't been transferred to my account. -_-)
[23:07] <brad[]> I haven't successfully been able to make this thing work
[23:08] <beuno> brad[], I think the final servers are being brought up now
[23:08] <beuno> what are you trying to do?
[23:09] <brad[]> I'm attempting to adda computer
[23:09] <beuno> where is it failing for ypu?
[23:10] <brad[]> Well, I was just now able to add my computer finally, but now I'm  running into an issue where nautilus thought a folder was marked for synchronization, but wasn't, as the computer hadn't previously been successfully added to the sync service
[23:20] <mrandrzejak> Hi all. Having a problem getting my computer listed as a trusted system in U1. Ive gone so far as to purge ubuntuone* and then reinstall, but no luck. Anything else I can try? Thanks.
[23:21] <mrandrzejak> Ive also purged, then followed the instruction page here as well with no luck.. https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/
[23:22] <mrandrzejak> honk
[23:22]  * mrandrzejak honk
[23:25] <brad[]> also my VISA hasn't been refunded yet.
[23:25]  * brad[] frowns.
[23:30] <brad[]> beuno: I'm also not able to manually upload a file via the web interface
[23:30] <beuno> brad[], uploading via de web ui is still being upgraded, something's funky and we're poking at those servers
[23:31] <beuno> sorry for the rocky ride, we're preparing for the Lucid launch
[23:31] <brad[]> beuno: Should the desktop client work?
[23:31] <beuno> brad[], on and off while all the servers are upgraded
[23:32] <brad[]> If I leave the ubuntuone-syncdaemon running will it automatically start synchronizing when the servers are up?
[23:36] <brad[]> @ beuno
[23:36] <beuno> brad[], it should, yes
[23:37] <brad[]> alrighty
[23:48] <rapha> 15:26 < rapha> I was asked on Friday to report if the songs that I had bought in the music store showed up by Tuesday ...  now it's Tuesday and there's still 3 songs of an album of 8 songs missing :-}
[23:48] <rapha> anything happen in that regard?
[23:48] <beuno> rapha, yes, the changes are being deployed right now
[23:49] <beuno> we're having a few hiccups in some servers, but things should hopefully be back into shape very soon with the fixes to the music downloads
[23:51] <rapha> beuno: awesome! means i can recommend the music store wholeheartedly to my nontechnical users :-)
[23:51] <beuno> rapha, yes you can!
[23:51] <rapha> (when 10.04 is released, that is)
[23:53] <rapha> imho, this is the best thing that happened to linux since warty warthog, and i really wish canonical to make some money off of it and become sustainable beyond sabdfl's injections
[23:53] <rapha> s/to/that they/
[23:55] <beuno> we're getting there, slowly but surely
[23:56] <rapha> indeed you are ... today an apple afficionado asked me how i got some cat or another installed on my thinkpad :-)
[23:57] <rapha> (interestingly the only cat he didn't mention was a lynx)
[23:58]  * mrandrzejak honks


[04:24] <tmb> hi... anybody here?
[20:43] <Mike_lifeguard> Any suggestions for getting extra 'media' buttons to work on a Toshiba Satellite A100?


[00:10] <G> if someone is an expert on watch files, I'd love to know if there is a secret way of obtaining the previously determined version number for 'filenamemangle'
[00:23] <G> ahhh actually, I managed to get it working another way


[06:57] <Scott_AG> hihi
[06:58] <evilvish> micahg: he has been doing that sort in a lot of channels.. already got banned on one channel.. not long before he gets banned in all ;)
[12:36] <trinikrono> good morning bugsquad :D
[12:49] <c2tarun> can anyone look at bug 706556. I don't think its a valid bug, the guy posted bug should ask on IRC or forum
[12:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706556 in firefox "I,m window user.Trying to look at ubuntu10.10 thro windows help me." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706556
[12:54] <trinikrono> c2tarun: that bug just looks like trouble :D
[12:55] <c2tarun> trinikrono: yup, should i mark it invalid and ask the guy to visit IRC or forum?
[12:56] <trinikrono> maybe convert to question, it looks like he has a few
[12:58] <c2tarun> trinikrono: done :)
[13:03] <c2tarun> I know I should ask this question on #ubuntu-classroom but since I am not able to connect I am asking it here. What is so special on Jan 23, approximate 15 hrs of classes are scheduled?
[13:07] <trinikrono> c2tarun: did you see the past events of the userdays?
[13:08] <c2tarun> trinikrono: sorry I don't know anything about userdays? what is it?
[13:10] <trinikrono> you can learn more here
[13:10] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[13:10] <trinikrono> c2tarun: if you go on session logs you can see from the previous ones
[13:10] <trinikrono> useful stuff
[13:12] <c2tarun> trinikrono: great stuff, I'll surely attend most of the classes on jan 29
[14:58] <BUGabundo> o/
[14:59] <JackyAlcine> o/
[20:30] <Gaming4JC> hey all :)
[20:32] <Gaming4JC> Having major issues regarding MineCraft bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/656045 Pretty sure it's hw-specific? Might want to tag it as such if it can be proven with a Nvidia gfx card.
[20:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656045 in openjdk-6 "Minecraft crashes, fairly randomly" [Undecided,New]
[20:32] <Gaming4JC> It's not so much random either, it's about once every half-hour or less
[20:38] <hggdh> Gaming4JC: yes, it sounds like a Java RTE issue
[20:39] <Gaming4JC> hggdh: But is it related specifically to ATI graphics cards only? Seems to be with current bug reports, including mine.
[20:40] <Gaming4JC> Thinking about running Valgrind on it. :)
[20:53] <hggdh> Gaming4JC: it might help if you install the debug symbols packages (at least for the java stack, libc6 debugs are installed with valgrind)
[20:53] <hggdh> Gaming4JC: and yes, it sounds like it is related to radeon
[20:53] <Gaming4JC> hggdh: What's the debug packages for java? *searches apt*
[20:54] <Gaming4JC> open-jdk6-debug? 119MB D:
[22:38] <hggdh> Gaming4JC: ye sounds about right ;-)
[23:13] <Gaming4JC> Hmm, so how do I enable the debug-flags now that I have them?
[23:13] <Gaming4JC> hggdh: Doesn't seem to be making any difference in output. :/