[02:31] <axgrndr> hello. new to linux. hoping can get some help. having issues getting flash to work in firefox. also cant get google chrome to work which is suppose to be alternative. have only issues on ubuntu studio.. works fine on other computer running mint. anyone able to pointme in right direction?
[04:01] <gartral> i really dislike it when people only stick around 5 minutes waiting for a question to be answered
[04:11] <gartral> ok all, I have a pro-audio question: I have a nice, old TS-10 synth/keyboard that i really.. really.. *REALLY* want some of the soundkits off of.. but.. I need a program that can automate the process.. any ideas?
[04:12] <holstein> soundkits?
[04:12] <holstein> you mean, the voices?
[04:12] <holstein> nothing to say that you have software that can do anything with that information
[04:13] <holstein> i'll tell you the ultimate answer that you likely dont want to hear.. nothing in linux is preventing that unit from being read/supported by it
[04:14] <holstein> that being said, i would just try #opensourcemusicians and elaborate about what it is that you are trying to do
[04:14] <gartral> holstein: sure, the whole thing can be controled by midi, I have a usb midi interface.. i want a program/script that, over midi, hits a key and records the input from the soundcard to a file
[04:15] <holstein> gartral: you mean, you want to sample the synth
[04:15] <gartral> holstein: yes.. I believe that's what I want
[04:15] <holstein> nothing i know of "automates" that.. but, i would refer to it as "sampling" in #opensourcemusicians
[04:15] <gartral> holstein: (sue me.. I'm not an audio technition or musician.. )
[04:16] <gartral> lol
[04:16] <holstein> gartral: im not tring to be rude/combative.. just trying to get you to the right place with the right terms
[04:16] <holstein> gartral: a lot of it is just knowing what to ask
[04:16] <gartral> I know, thanks
[04:16] <gartral> just like anything else!
[04:16] <holstein> i mean, you *could* script that.. or use some screen automation process
[04:16] <holstein> but, the pro's do it manually
[04:16] <holstein> they want to hear each one, and get different levels
[04:17] <holstein> you could, just setup a midi sequencer to play what you want to sample.. say, each note in each voice in 5 velocities
[04:17] <holstein> then, just track that to what you like.. and manually edit it
[04:17] <gartral> holstein: for *this* synth, that'd be 127 samples per sound.. as it's velocity responsive.. and I want over 2k samples..
[04:18] <holstein> gartral: yup... thats why sampling is so intense
[04:18] <gartral> I *really* want to automate it..
[04:18] <holstein> gartral: sure.. you'll need to ask in that channel
[04:18] <holstein> gartral: AFAIK, you cant
[04:18] <holstein> gartral: folks get *big* money to do what you are talking about
[04:18] <holstein> gartral: its not trivial..
[04:19] <gartral> might be interesting to build an application for it..
[04:19] <holstein> gartral: you just need to seperate out the audio in teh file i just explained how to make above
[04:20] <gartral> holstein: use arecord to record each sound to it's own file! :P
[04:20] <holstein> gartral: no
[04:20] <holstein> gartral: listen
[04:20] <holstein> gartral: you create a midi sequencing routine.. the synth plays whatever you like.. you record that *all* in one big file
[04:21] <holstein> gartral: *then* you can either manually edit that.. or, look for something that seperates it out based on silence
[04:21] <holstein> i would just do it manually
[04:22] <holstein> thats the only way to know for sure
[04:22] <holstein> but, folks in #opensourcemusicians know more about it than i do..
[04:22] <gartral> holstein: the "one big file" method seems... backwards.. meh..
[04:22] <gartral> anyway, off to #opensourcemusicians
[04:23] <holstein> gartral: yeah?
[04:23] <holstein> gartral: why?
[04:24] <holstein> gartral: why not do it afterwards? there *are* things that can read the silence and seperate it
[04:24] <holstein> gartral: there are also things that can trigger whatever you like
[04:24] <holstein> gartral: you can ask in #ardour about setting up different files.. but, the files wil be in the same project likely
[04:24] <gartral> holstein: because hydrogen and rosegarden both use the seperate sounds
[04:25] <holstein> gartral: sure.. im talking about for just getting the sounds, friend
[04:25] <holstein> gartral: you are jumping to wanting to hit a button and have it all done for you
[04:25] <holstein> gartral: all im saying is.. hit a button, get a big file.. hit another.. get a bunch of little files
[04:25] <gartral> holstein: true
[04:25] <holstein> gartral: its just one other step.. and i *have* done these steps.. so i mention them becuase they are plausible
[04:26] <holstein> its something you could literally do right ow
[04:26] <holstein> now*
[04:28] <holstein> gartral: i would also like to have them all in one file for editing
[04:28] <holstein> i could apply a comp or leveling to the *entire* set of samples
[04:28] <holstein> then, parse them out
[20:31] <Perlado> nas al personal!!
[20:33] <Perlado> bueno pues otra vez sera, saludos!!


[12:11] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: Asking for weekly update again LOL
[12:22] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, might not get one this week
[12:22] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: Oh why?
[12:23] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, not for sure yet, so just stay tuned
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Oh alright then:0
[12:25] <jhodapp> thanks :)
[12:25] <smartboyhw> :)


[07:04] <greenleaf> I am unable to correctly build a module for the 5.11.7 kernel from here: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.11.7/. Getting "no symbol version for module_layout" which apparently has to do with VERMAGIC mismatch.
[07:05] <greenleaf> modinfo says: vermagic:       5.11.7-051107-generic+ SMP mod_unload modversions
[07:05] <greenleaf> uname says: 5.11.7-051107-generic #202103171746 SMP
[07:06] <greenleaf> which looks the same to me, except for the "+" sign at the end of the modinfo output. modyle VERMAGIC seems to be inherited from the Makefile, which I modified myself and it does not contain the "+"
[07:33] <greenleaf> ok, i figured out how to get rid of the + by overriding with LOCALVERSION. Now the strings look identical but modprobe still complains.
[19:11] <uschcld> I'm trying to report a kernel bug. hfs+ failure
[19:19] <uschcld> I've never used this hexchat before. Is anyone there?
[19:20] <greenleaf> yes, people see what you write
[19:22] <tomreyn> !bug | uschcld
[19:22] <uschcld> Good! I submitted this bug to bugs.launchpad.net/ August 2020. It expired with nothing done.
[19:22] <tomreyn> that's if oyu think it's ubuntu specific, or you want to report it against ubuntu as a first step
[19:23] <tomreyn> it will expire when there is information missing
[19:23] <uschcld> It is actuallu a kernel bug, not specific to anu distro.
[19:23] <tomreyn> got the bug # ?
[19:23] <uschcld> Bug #1891768
[19:25] <uschcld> i followed up on https://answers.launchpad.net/ no response there, except one person also had the bug
[19:26] <uschcld> I suspect I missed some detail, but do not know what to do to correct it.
[19:27] <tomreyn> uschcld: so the bug you reported was handled by humans in addition to the bot, and you provided all the info requested. however, unfortunately, it was not possible to identify an error condition when the logs you submitted were (manually) reviewed.
[19:28] <uschcld> Did anyone try to duplicate the bug? It fails every time.
[19:29] <uschcld> I have listed some tested kernels that work and fail here.  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+question/695770
[19:29] <tomreyn> it seems you didn't do just enough to enable the kernel dev's to reproduce the issue, so the bug report expired automatically.
[19:30] <tomreyn> (i'm referring to the bug report)
[19:30] <uschcld> More details to reproduce the bug in the answers.launchpad.com post
[19:33] <tomreyn> so answers.launchpad.com is, just like irc, mostly a community/self-support tool
[19:34] <tomreyn> bugs.launchpad.net is the bug tracker. since you now have condensed it down to a reproducible recipe, i suggest posting a new bug report where you provide the steps to reproduce on the latest LTS release
[19:35] <uschcld> thanks. Should I update the original bug report or make a new one?
[19:38] <tomreyn> i'd report a new one
[19:39] <tomreyn> you can always link to the old one
[19:39] <tomreyn> but make sure all info needed to reproduce is in the new report
[19:40] <tomreyn> run    ubuntu-bug linux    on your 20.04 LTS system to get started
[19:41] <uschcld> Thanks!


[12:59] <pleia2> moving stuff over to wiki now
[13:00]  * pleia2 eyes the wiki giving 500 errors
[13:22] <pleia2> Unit193: link check, please? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue365
[13:22] <pleia2> and sent off to editors
[13:23] <pleia2> putting dholbach's membership board email on the fridge now
[18:05] <Unit193> pleia2: Looks all alive to me.


[01:59] <Oderus> hi. in system settings>workspace theme>splash screen, what program is this or how can i edit these splash themes or get new ones?
[02:08] <valorie> the one as you are loading up is plymough
[02:08] <valorie> plymouth
[02:08] <valorie> not sure what other splash you are referring to
[02:10] <valorie> I believe the one in the systemsettings is chosen by Kubuntu, but I'm not sure about that
[03:09] <keithzg> valorie: I think Oderus was just talking about the Plasma splash screen on login.
[04:40] <Tangelo_> Hi. Is this where I can get some help with Kubuntu?
[04:40] <Tangelo_> Hi. I've been having some trouble with Kubuntu lately. It will not update either through Muon or using the terminal. I get errors. Consistently : Errors were encountered while processing:  linux-image-extra-4.2.0-23-generic  linux-image-extra-4.2.0-25-generic
[04:40] <Tangelo_> When using Muon it says: “Mark additional changes. This action requires changes to other packages:  Remove linux-image-extra-4.2.0-25-generic linux-image-extra-4.2.0-23-generic
[04:41] <Tangelo_> I hit ok. Provide my password and get the following error.  An error occurred while applying changes. The details are blank.  I have tried autoremove in the terminal but no luck. Can you help?
[05:23] <valorie> Tangelo_: try `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[05:24] <valorie> if you continue to get errors, try `sudo apt install -f` where f = fix
[05:30] <Tangelo_> Thank you valorie. I'll give that a try
[05:33] <valorie> I do use autoremove, but only after I've logged in and ensured that the new kernel is working well
[05:33] <Fritigern> Tangelo_: Without knowing your system, i would guess (und this is only a guess) that your boot pertition is full. If that's the case, do "sudo apt autoremove"
[05:34] <Fritigern> Hey! How dare you beat me to it, val? :-) :-) :-)
[05:35] <valorie> ha
[05:35] <valorie> or better yet, `sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove`
[05:35] <valorie> Fritigern: good point about the full boot partition though
[05:35] <valorie> I guess that was a bug for awhile
[05:37] <Tangelo_> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade returned the following:  Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.2.0-23-generic_4.2.0-23.28_i386.deb  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.2.0-25-generic_4.2.0-25.30_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:38] <Tangelo_> I'll try `sudo apt install -f`
[05:40] <Fritigern> I usually get that error when a package is corrupt. sudo apt-get clean usually fixes that for me.
[05:40] <valorie> you don't have any special PPAs with kernels, right?
[05:41] <Fritigern> valorie: Was that a question for me or for Tangelo_ ?
[05:42] <Tangelo_> you don't have any special PPAs with kernels, right? ahhhh I don't think so
[05:43] <valorie> you would remember
[05:46] <Tangelo_> No luck with the 'sudo apt install -f'  Trying `sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove`
[05:48] <Fritigern> After that has completed without errors (fingers crossed), make sure to re-run `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[05:49] <valorie> Tangelo_: remember your up-arrow in the konsole
[05:49] <valorie> huge timesaver
[05:49] <Tangelo_> Oh man the "without errors" part didn't work out. I got the following
[05:50] <Tangelo_> gzip: stdout: No space left on device E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1 update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-4.2.0-25-generic with 1. run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools exited with return code 1 dpkg: error processing package linux-image-extra-4.2.0-25-generic (--remove):  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing:  linux-image-extra
[05:50] <Fritigern> Yup, same deal as I had
[05:50] <Fritigern> I had to manually remove a few of the oldest kenels from the boot partition before it would let me perform autoclean
[05:51] <Fritigern> Do not that removing stuff by hand is NOT recommended!
[05:52] <Fritigern> *not = note
[05:53] <Tangelo_> Oy, arrow up in konsole. I guess I should not admit it but I had no idea about that. you just saved me lots of time in the future
[05:53] <Fritigern> Tangelo_: Are you also aware of tab completion?
[05:54] <Tangelo_> nope
[05:55] <Fritigern> You can type part of a program name, then hit tab to fill out the rest of the name. If there are more than one programs that match, then a second tap on the tab will show you the available options
[05:56] <Fritigern> For example, if you type "systems" then hit tab, it should automaticlly expand to "systemsettings5"
[05:58] <Tangelo_> oy, I just tryed that. I think my room actuually got brighter. thank you
[05:58] <Fritigern> However, back to the problem at hand. I wish i knew what kernels are installed on your system and where they are put. In my case they were placed in a 250mb partition, I don;t know if you have such a partition
[05:59] <Tangelo_> I don't know
[06:01] <Fritigern> Could you show me what the outpput is of  ls /boot/initrd.*
[06:04] <Tangelo_> cannot access /boot/initrd: No such file or directory
[06:07] <Fritigern> You've forgot to add the asterisk This => *
[06:07] <Tangelo_> oh. I'll try again . oops
[06:07] <Fritigern> Things happen :-)
[06:11] <Tangelo_> for some reason I can't seem to paste it here.
[06:11] <Fritigern> How many files does it list?
[06:11] <Tangelo_> i'll type it in
[06:11] <Fritigern> ok
[06:12] <Tangelo_> 3 files
[06:12] <Fritigern> Only 3? That should have been fine then.
[06:13] <Tangelo_> oh I take that back it looks like 6
[06:14] <Fritigern> What is the lowest number in the file name that you see? For me it's initrd.img-4.2.0-16-generic so I would tell you that 16 is the oldest that I have
[06:15] <Tangelo_> yep. same
[06:15] <Tangelo_> highest is /boot/initrd.img-4.2.0-22-generic
[06:16] <Fritigern> The highest for me is 27, but I have additional repos enabled
[06:16] <Fritigern> Hmmm... Let;s see, so you have 16, 22, which other numbers?
[06:17] <Tangelo_> 17, 18, 19 and 21
[06:18] <Fritigern> I would like you do remove 16 and 17 by using sudo rm initrd.img-4.2.0-16-generic initrd.img-4.2.0-17-generic
[06:19] <Fritigern> Again, this is NOT the recommended method, but we are trying to free up space so that you can get things working again
[06:19] <Tangelo_> ok I'll paste that in
[06:20] <Fritigern> I'm going after the two oldest, because they will most likely be removed by autoremove anyway.
[06:22] <Tangelo_> I got 'rm: cannot remove ‘initrd.img-4.2.0-16-generic’: No such file or directory' does it need the '/boot/' before the initrd.img ?
[06:24] <Fritigern> You are 100% correct. It should be sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.2.0-16-generic /boot/initrd.img-4.2.0-17-generic
[06:24] <Tangelo_> ok trying again
[06:29] <Tangelo_> ok :) there gone. now I just have 18, 19, 21 and 22
[06:30] <Fritigern> Okay, now try `sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove` again
[06:31] <valorie> pasting into the cli you have to use control + shift + v
[06:31] <valorie> same with copy -- control + shift + c
[06:35] <Tangelo_> looks promising. system notifier says to reboot to complete. Let me see if I can get back to this webpage on my other machine before I do that
[06:37] <Fritigern> Remember that at the moment, all that has been done is free up some space on your PC, it's not been updated yet
[06:39] <Fritigern> I make it a habit of using  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove so as to make sure that no ancient files stay behind.
[06:40] <Tangelo_> oh. hahaha. I'm writing that down by the mache here
[06:40] <Tangelo_> *machine
[06:47] <Tangelo_> ok. So should I run 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove' now?
[06:48] <Fritigern> Yes, it should install the files that failed to install before, and this is what you would want :-)
[06:48] <Tangelo_> ok I'll run that now
[06:50] <abeztasoma> #help
[06:50] <abeztasoma> how we get in login root in kubuntu?
[06:50] <abeztasoma> thanks
[06:50] <valorie> !root
[06:51] <valorie> please don't try to login as root
[06:51] <valorie> that is a great way to wreck your system
[06:51] <abeztasoma> no
[06:51] <abeztasoma> but login with user root
[06:52] <rww> Don't, it's a bad idea.
[06:52] <abeztasoma> ok ok
[06:52] <abeztasoma> so how we move folder in root
[06:53] <abeztasoma> cant acces to move it
[06:53] <rww> use sudo, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:53] <valorie> !sudo
[06:53] <valorie> remember that if you are using a gui application, don't use sudo; use kdesudo
[06:55] <abeztasoma> ok thanks gaesss
[06:55] <valorie> but can you tell us what you want to move, and why?
[06:55] <valorie> most stuff in / never needs moving
[06:56] <valorie> I've never moved a root folder in well over 10 years
Removing linux-headers-4.2.0-25-generic (4.2.0-25.30) ... dpkg: warning: while removing linux-headers-4.2.0-25-generic, directory '/lib/modules/4.2.0-25-generic' not empty so not removed
 Looks right?
[06:57] <Fritigern> Actually, not a good thing but not as horrible as a full harddisk
[06:58] <Fritigern> To be honest, I don;t know why its not empty. we never touched the folder
[06:58] <abeztasoma> my folder download is full
[06:58] <Fritigern> *that folder
[06:59] <Fritigern> abeztasoma: Remove stuff from your download folder. It's your folder, so you are the owner of the files.
[07:00] <Fritigern> And if YOU are the owner, then YOU can remove the files
[07:00] <valorie> download folder is not owned by root; that is in your home
[07:00] <abeztasoma> yapppp...but all is fulll
[07:00] <valorie> you can move it without sudo
[07:01] <valorie> or remove files
[07:01] <abeztasoma> how about remove with ftp
[07:02] <Oderus> hi. in system settings>workspace theme>splash screen, what program is this or how can i edit these splash themes or get new ones?
[07:03] <abeztasoma> ok enough gaesss
[07:03] <abeztasoma> thanks fir all
[07:03] <valorie> abeztasoma: certainly you can ftp, or sftp, sc, etc.
[07:06] <Tangelo_> So ahh what do I do about the 'not empty so not removed' thing. How bad is it?
[07:07] <valorie> when you can get autoclean and autoremove to work, if it should be gone, it will be
[07:10] <Tangelo_> the lines above read 'he following packages will be REMOVED:   linux-headers-4.2.0-25 linux-headers-4.2.0-25-generic'
[07:10] <Tangelo_> but then says 'Removing linux-headers-4.2.0-25-generic (4.2.0-25.30) ... dpkg: warning: while removing linux-headers-4.2.0-25-generic, directory '/lib/modules/4.2.0-25-generic' not empty so not removed'
[07:13] <Fritigern> I don;t think it's all that bad. I think you can safely ignore that for now.
[07:14] <Tangelo_> ok cool. I'll give it a reeboot and see where its at
[07:14] <Fritigern> However, do not forget about it. You may want to investigate what files are left in that folder at your own pace. So there's no rush, but in order to keep a clean system , it would be a good idea to fix this issue.
[07:17] <TangeloAlso> I'll look into it soon. It's booting up.
[07:17] <Fritigern> cool
[07:22] <TangeloAlso> Awesome guys! Thank you!!!!! It's up to date and I can get software again!! thanks a million.
[07:22] <Fritigern> Happy to have helped. Remember to keep using autoremove!
[07:23] <valorie> \o/
[07:36] <TangeloAlso> bye guys thanks again
[08:13] <lionel_> Nice !
[08:13] <lionel_> Hi everyone !
[08:15] <valorie> what can we help you with, lionel_?
[08:31] <roan> Hello, i just installed kubuntu 15.04 but i got some issue with the deskop as random freeze, slow, and right now i got the taskbar icon not updating, can someone help me ?
[08:32] <ianc> Hello, anyone know anything about wine and kubuntu 15.10?
[08:35] <valorie> roan: why 15.04?
[08:35] <valorie> it is not longer being support
[08:35] <valorie> I suggest updating and upgrading
[08:36] <roan> my bad i mean valorie: 15.10
[08:36] <valorie> !wine | ianc
[08:36] <valorie> hmmm, I'm using 15.10
[08:37] <roan> i got the latest, just installed it an hour ago
[08:37] <ianc> OK, thanks ubottu
[08:37] <valorie> and personally, I would add backports ppa
[08:37] <valorie> it improved things for me
[08:37] <lionel__> I've got Linux Mint
[08:38] <roan> valorie : backports ppa ? i'm kinda noob :/
[08:38] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-3/
[08:39] <valorie> in the commandline: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[08:40] <roan> thx
[08:40] <valorie> lionel__: we don
[08:40] <valorie> t support mint here
[08:41] <lionel__> Ah !
[08:42] <lionel__> But I've got good news.
[08:42] <lionel__> I don't have Windows Microsoft.
[08:42] <valorie> heh
[08:42] <valorie> me either
[08:46] <roan> brb need to reboot
[09:13] <lionel_> n
[09:40] <roah> valorie : After i added the backport and updated everything i couldn't start, well i got black screen... i do reinstalled everything
[09:41] <valorie> I should have told you about ppa-purge first
[09:41] <valorie> :(
[09:41] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[09:44] <roah> i didn't removed anything, i just did "ppa-add" -> "apt-get update" -> "apt-get upgrade" -> reboot
[09:44] <roah> did i need to remove something ?
[09:45] <valorie> you said you reinstalled everything?
[09:45] <roah> yeah, first start currently
[09:45] <valorie> it is apt-add-repository, which I assume is what you mean
[09:46] <roah> yeah
[09:48] <valorie> so you upgraded, restarted and now you have a black screen?
[09:48] <roah> no right now im back to the original issue
[09:48] <valorie> ah
[09:49] <valorie> sorry, I'm on my way to sleep
[09:49] <valorie> somebody else will have to take over
[09:49] <valorie> perhaps lordievader when he gets here
[09:49] <roah> well, i upgraded, restarted, got the black screen so i reistalled everything and now i'm back to the original issue
[09:49] <roah> ok, thx for you help ^^
[09:50] <valorie> sorry that backports didn't work out for you
[09:51] <roah> im trying out again
[09:51] <roah> need to reboot brb and good night :D
[09:52] <valorie> ty
[10:58] <h_boyz> Buongiorno. Dopo aggiornamento non funziona più il touchpad, kubuntu 14.04 non rileva i driver synaptic
[11:01] <TheOneRing> hi whats the channel for the daily builds? https://paste.kde.org/phkbpaa9p this is the error the installer gives me
[11:04] <TheOneRing> ill try the gtk frontend
[11:09] <roah> Hello (again), can someone help me solve random black screen issue, still have the mouse working
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:04] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:33] <ponchale> hi
[14:33] <ponchale> some connected now?
[14:35] <ponchale> I need help
[14:41] <ponchale> hi
[14:41] <ponchale> I have a question
[14:41] <ponchale> some?
[15:35] <Mylon> The "disable touchpad while typing" setting doesn't work.  :(
[15:36] <Mylon> My mouse keeps wandering around and clicking on stuff while I'm trying to type.
[15:53] <DarinMiller> Mylon: I sympathize with your touchpad issues.  I have attempted to configure 4 differnt laptop and only one of them really "works".  The best work around for me is to disable the touchpad when mice are plugged or set a hot key to turn the touchpad off/on.
[15:55] <DarinMiller> As I mentioned last week, those same touchpads do not perform any better under libinput (the new Wayland/xorg input driver).
[15:58] <Mylon> I dunno, it seems like a simple bug that can be fix?  "Has a key been pressed in last 0.25s?  Then don't move the mouse!"
[16:00] <ponchale> Someone to installed polkit in ubuntu to install the KDE framework
[16:02] <DarinMiller> Mylon: I agree, I am sure these are all fixable.  Some of these issues are config issues ,some are bugs and some are just plain quirks of a particular touchpad.
[16:36] <DarinMiller> Mylon More googling pad while typing issue I found this: syndaemon -i 1 -K -R -d
[16:37] <DarinMiller> See http://askubuntu.com/questions/367963/ubuntu-on-lenovo-yoga-2-pro (cruise down to Clickpad Disable While Typing section).
[18:04] <mefisto> I installed windows 10 today and was surprised to find grub still working. Is this grub2 doing that, or win10 respecting grub users?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> mefisto, sometimes grub gets installed on the linux partition as well the windows MBR on older sytems or the UEFI boot partition on newer ones
[18:09] <BluesKaj> as well as
[18:25] <Mylon> That console command worked!  Though I wonder why the touchpad widget doesn't use command when you change the setting.
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Mylon, what command?
[18:27] <Mylon> The one DarinMiller said in chat.  Syndaemon
[18:27] <BluesKaj> oh, I wasn't here
[18:28] <Mylon> That properly disables the touchpad while typing, but the touchpad KDE widget.
[18:28] <Mylon> Err, the touchpad KDE widget to disable touchpad while typing does not.
[19:05] <est31> hello
[19:06] <est31> I get krunner crashes every time i log in
[19:06] <est31> is there a way to debug?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> est31, the method I found that works is avoid using the mouse to highlight or choose the entry, use the enter key instead
[19:09] <est31> BluesKaj, which entry?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> the one you put into krunner
[19:10] <BluesKaj> also to show the history of previous entries use the down arrow key to get a drop down list
[19:11] <BluesKaj> est31,^
[19:12] <est31> okay reconnected from weston
[19:12] <est31> now I can log out
[19:12] <est31> on kde
[19:12] <BluesKaj> using weston? why?
[19:13] <est31> bc I use hexchat
[19:13] <est31> otherwise I have to leave
[19:13] <BluesKaj> konversation is still the best on kde IMO
[19:13] <est31> okay logged out from kde
[19:14] <est31> what should I do now
[19:15] <est31> mhh seems I get a plasma crash at login too
[19:19] <BluesKaj> well fooling with weston or wayland  etc is iffy with the new plasmas ..gotta expect that
[19:29] <est31> well idk what's the crash cause
[19:29] <est31> but it crashes reproducibly
[19:30] <est31> perhaps first plasma crashes, then krunner doesnt expect it and it crashes too
[19:38] <est31> aha
[19:38] <est31> aha
[19:38] <est31> it tries to call QPlatformScreen::physicalSize
[19:39] <est31> but that then calls __cxa_pure_virtual
[19:39] <est31> so it seems somehow there is a mismatch
[19:39] <est31> why hasnt the compiler noticed this
[19:39] <est31> dynamic loading?
[19:40] <frantisek> exit
 the one you put into krunner <---- I never had any interaction with krunner
[19:43] <est31> I just log in
[19:44] <est31> and upon login, both plasma and krunner crash
[19:45] <BluesKaj> est31, which OS and plasma version?
[19:47] <est31> BluesKaj, OS is kubuntu 15.10 wily
[19:48] <est31> and plasma version...
[19:48] <est31> lemme see
[19:48] <BluesKaj> plasmashell -v for plasma version
[19:48] <est31> 5.4.2
[19:51] <BluesKaj> est31, suggest you update and upgrade, then dist-upgrade , your plasma is old now
[19:52] <est31> BluesKaj, kubuntu 16.04 isnt out yet, is it?
[19:52] <est31> or do i have to be on rolling release for my bugs to be valid
[19:53] <est31> just ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:53] <est31> nothing to be updated
[19:53] <OerHeks> dist-upgrade does not bring 16.04
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I'm running 16.04 ,but it's still in devel , but the krunner crash is still not fixed
[19:54] <est31> I see
[19:54] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, i didn't suggest he upgrade to 16.04
[19:55] <BluesKaj> est31, run apt upgrade as well
[19:55] <est31> nothing happened
[19:57] <BluesKaj> hmm , I thought plasma 5.4.3 was defaulkt in 15.10 already
[19:57] <BluesKaj> it fixes some bugs
[19:58] <est31> BluesKaj, slightly unrelated: can you review patches?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> est31, check launchpad
[20:00] <est31> ok, nvm then
[20:08] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj and est31, 5.4.3 is currently available in the backports landing PPA for 15.10.  You may want to wait a few days for the landing packages to move to regular backports. (or try landing if you don't mind the "adventure")
[20:10] <est31> Thanks for informing
[20:10] <est31> I'll be patient :)
[20:11] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, right, I'm on 16.04 with the landing ppa in my sources
[20:21] <robciuz_bcv> b
[21:53] <XLR> Hey guys, I have installed DoTA 2 from STeam and whener I hit play, it says it's running but I do not see anything in the task bar. In system monitor it is using not much memory. Any help would be thoroughly appreciated. Thanks.
[21:59] <wxl> someone help me :( my screen 2 panel is obscuring the screen 1 panel and now i can't even move it with panel settings because the gui comes up and then promptly disappears
[22:13] <DarinMiller> wxi: What if you unplug one of the screens and the bring up system settings?


[19:59]  * Kraus grumbles.
[20:00] <Kraus> Okay.. I may have a problem, but I may not.
[20:00] <Kraus> "grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: Operation not permitted."
[20:00] <Kraus> It went to the pink screen after, warned me if I don't upgrade grub, my computer won't boot properly.
[20:01] <Kraus> The only thing I can think of to fix this is to attempt to retry the installation, but how do I do that?
[20:02] <corrinado[m]> You ran grub with sudo, yes?
[21:00] <Maik> Kraus: don't cross-post the next time
[21:12] <Kraus> Maik: Hm?
[21:13] <Maik> you asked the same question here aswell as in #ubuntu
[21:13] <Kraus> Yeah because I forgot you didn't want me posting Ubuntu questions in here.
[21:14] <Maik> makes sense since this channel is for Ubuntu Studio support :)
[21:14] <Kraus> Right. So I didn't cross-post. There's just no way to retract a post in IRC once it's been posted.
[21:15] <Kraus> Sorry if it offended you.
[21:15] <Maik> no worries


[01:21] <micahg> knome: I'd like to set an address for the xubuntu-artwork team, do you mind if I set it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:22] <micahg> this should prevent e-mail from going to recipients when the team is subscribed to a bug
[01:38] <bluesabre-laptop> knome: I know this is a late request, but can we enable the monitor power management (monitor to standby instead of black but on) for 12.10?  Or does it not work properly?
[05:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: congrats on being the top uploader in quantal :) http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/
[05:51] <pleia2> micahg: I used to do debian package (well, still have one package in debian), are there bite-size ways I can help out?
[05:51] <pleia2> disappointed I got out of it, mostly because my job went very sysadminy rather than sticking to the debian package stuff, mostly I'm just maintaining packages at work now
[05:52] <micahg> pleia2: sure, bug fixes, merges
[05:53]  * micahg isn't up on the list of what needs to be done, most is done in Debian
[05:54] <pleia2> ok, I'll have a look around debian xfce
[05:54] <pleia2> ah, svn :)
[05:55] <micahg> I'm sure Debian xfce would love help with bugs and what not (I'm sure we could use the help as well)
[05:56] <pleia2> thanks
[05:57] <micahg> and if you need sponsoring in Ubuntu, I'm happy to help
[05:58] <pleia2> much appreciated, I've never actually contributed directly to Ubuntu dev stuff
[06:00] <micahg> we've only got ~200 devs for all of Ubuntu, we definitely can use more
[06:00] <micahg> err..I should say 200  uploaders
[06:00]  * pleia2 nods
[06:01] <ochosi> morning
[06:01] <pleia2> I'm not quite up to speed with current tools, I was only really active in debian for a few years from 2006-2008ish
[06:02] <micahg> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging are great places to hang out to learn
[06:03] <micahg> and ask questions as well
[06:07] <pleia2> I still lurk in #debian-mentors, should probably join -motu and -packaging to see how things are on this side of things
[06:09] <micahg> yeah, #debian-mentors is good too
[06:45] <ochosi> strange bug, ristretto hangs when started from thunar with exo-open (could be a 4.10 ppa regression)
[06:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: just uploaded a mockup for the --minimal dialog to the spec
[07:09] <ochosi> does anyone have a clue why my image-attachment in ubuntu-wiki is scaled up?
[07:11] <knome> micahg, sounds fine
[07:11] <micahg> knome: no, haven't looked at the development pages yet, I'd be happy to have people applying for xubuntu-dev if it's desired
[07:12] <micahg> err...xubuntu packageset
[07:12] <knome> heh, yeah :)
[07:13] <knome> it would be great if we could have *some* kind of "mentoring"
[07:13] <knome> i don't know what that would actually mean... but when people come asking how they can help us on the programming/packaging side, i don't know where exactly to point them
[07:14] <micahg> knome: we just had that discussion about an hour ago :)
[07:15] <knome> micahg, mm-hmm; unfortunately, the website is not updated accordingly
[07:15] <knome> micahg, i mean, what i'd actually like to do with the website/wiki is the same we've done for the rest of the areas of contribution:
[07:16] <knome> micahg, put anything that end-users or people *starting to contribute* to website, and only those things that developers need to reference *when already contributing* to wiki
[07:31] <ochosi> how can i add a TOC to a page in the ubuntu wiki?
 ??
[07:32] <knome> or <<TableOfContents()>>
[07:33] <ochosi> wow, that looks very ugly
[07:33] <ochosi> i thought it would be positioned to the right and thrown in a box automatically
[07:33] <ochosi> but this plain list is really useless
[08:08] <knome> hmm. i wonder if there was some ubuntu template then
[08:08] <knome> that was moinmoin standard
[08:09] <ochosi> yeah, i haven't found anything else than that either
[08:39] <astraljava> ||<tablestyle="float:right; font-size: 0.9em; width:40%; margin: 1em 1em 0 0;" style="padding:0.5em; background:#F1F1ED;"><<TableOfContents>>||
[08:39] <ochosi> thanks
[08:39] <ochosi> found one in older xubuntu patges
[08:39] <ochosi> there really should be a template for this
[08:40] <astraljava> Ok, I found it on the Studio meeting minutes page.
[08:41] <ochosi> astraljava: btw, if you have input on the spec (might be interesting for -studio as well), let me know: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors
[08:41] <ochosi> and feel free to pass it around
[08:41] <ochosi> it's still unfinished though
[08:44] <astraljava> ochosi: I'm positive it'll be interesting for many Studio users, as screen space is much needed in many functions. Thanks! I'll have a look, and mention it on #ubuntustudio-devel as well.
[08:44] <ochosi> thanks
[08:55] <ochosi> i'm updating that spec with more mockups on the go, will take a bit longer till it's finished
[10:22] <knome> idea, which i'll also present in the reviewed strategy document:
[10:22] <knome> 1) do a few contributions, and you'll be able to join a team (like art, or web) for 'probation'
[10:23] <knome> 2) continue contributing and indicate motivation to contribute perpetually, and you'll be accepted to the team
[10:39] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: the custom date dialog looks good! all in all, very nice improvements there!
[10:40] <ochosi> bluesabre-laptop: humm, while the mime-list is kinda nice, it's also far too long... :)
[10:43] <bluesabre-laptop> ochosi: Yes, the mimetype list is insanely long.  I could get rid of it, or try to split it into 2 comboboxes
[10:43] <ochosi> maybe there's a better list we could use instead
[10:43] <ochosi> i'll try to ask around
[10:45] <bluesabre-laptop> cool, thanks.  The mimetypes also has a list of file extensions with it, which is just as long but possibly more friendly
[10:45] <ochosi> right
[10:45] <ochosi> what about grouping them?
[10:45] <ochosi> i mean everything with application/... goes into "application"
[10:46] <ochosi> (like the Group function in mysql)
[10:46] <ochosi> cause if you only want a single extension you most likely know the name and then it's always quicker to enter that by hand
[10:47] <bluesabre-laptop> that's currently what the others do (documents = text, pictures = image, etc)
[10:47] <ochosi> yeah
[10:47] <ochosi> but there are more choices in the combobox, no?
[10:47] <ochosi> (about applications: we could really limit them by extension)
[10:48] <bluesabre-laptop> agreed
[10:48] <ochosi> btw, is the custom extension filter supposed to work alreadyß
[10:48] <bluesabre-laptop> it was working with my limited testing
[10:48] <ochosi> right
[10:48] <ochosi> cause it seems it can "get stuck"
[10:49] <ochosi> after trying the filter (no results) and updating the searchterm nothing happens anymore
[10:49] <bluesabre-laptop> yikes
[10:49] <ochosi> i get "IndexError: string index out of range"
[10:49] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222012-124944pm.php
[10:50] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll poke around with it a bit today and see what I can come up with
[10:51] <ochosi> sure
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> I probably have my nested if statements in the wrong order
[10:51] <ochosi> anyway, the other filters are working great
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> awesome
[10:51] <ochosi> i'll give it more testing to be able to give you more feedback
[10:51] <bluesabre-laptop> sounds good.  I was really pleased with myself when I got the date filters to work
[10:52] <ochosi> :)
[10:52] <ochosi> yeah, they'er pretty cool
[10:52] <ochosi> and the menu button is also working/looking nicely now :)
[10:53] <ochosi> ah
[10:53] <ochosi> the custom date filter doesn't automatically update the search-results
[10:53] <ochosi> i have to execute the search again
[10:53] <bluesabre-laptop> woops
[10:53] <bluesabre-laptop> easy fix (hopefully)
[10:53] <ochosi> :)
[10:54] <ochosi> but the filtering works for as much as i can tell
[10:55] <ochosi> the dateformat is very american btw
[10:55] <ochosi> (in the last-modified column)
[10:55] <bluesabre-laptop> supposed, it should format based on locale
[10:55] <ochosi> yeah, that would be ideal
[10:55] <ochosi> but atm it's the same in thunar, so...
[10:56] <ochosi> it's something for final polishing
[10:56] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll set up a european vm for some extra testing, :D
[10:56] <ochosi> hehe
[10:56] <ochosi> i think you can install a different locale and switch
[10:56] <ochosi> i think 2px padding on the left side of the statusbar would be good
[10:56] <ochosi> otherwise the font looks glued to the edge
[10:57] <bluesabre-laptop> yeah, but my spanish has been slipping anyway, could use the practice
[10:57] <ochosi> :)
[10:58] <ochosi> in that case: venga!
[10:58] <ochosi> (or if you learned your .es in .mx: ándale! arriba! ándale!)
[10:59] <bluesabre-laptop> haha
[11:05] <bluesabre-laptop> calendar filtering is fixed, padding is added.
[11:05] <bluesabre-laptop> bbl
[11:08] <ochosi> cya
[12:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, the custom extension entering doesn't seem to work for me
[12:54] <ochosi> however the calendar works great now
[12:54] <ochosi> (i just have to improve greybird's theming of that widget)
[12:56] <ochosi> another common error-source: tick a few filters and then hide the advanced-sidebar
[12:56] <ochosi> the filters will remain active and hinder all future searches until catfish gets restarted
[12:56] <ochosi> my suggestion is to reset all filters when the advanced-sidebar is hidden/deactivated
[12:57] <ochosi> bluesabre, bluesabre-laptop ^ :)
[12:57] <bluesabre> good idea
[12:57] <ochosi> ah
[12:57] <ochosi> wasn't sure which nick you're using
[12:57] <bluesabre> always a mystery
[12:57] <ochosi> why are you using two at the same time btw?
[12:57] <bluesabre> laptop at home/vm at work
[12:58] <ochosi> right, but the laptop seems to be always on, right?
[12:58] <bluesabre> our network is tied down, so I can't remote out
[12:58] <ochosi> oh
[12:58] <ochosi> i see
[12:58] <ochosi> that makes sense then
[12:59] <bluesabre> I figured that it had to get confusing
[12:59] <ochosi> :)
[12:59] <ochosi> nah, it's fine
[12:59] <ochosi> i'll just be twice as annoying pinging you twice ;)
[13:01] <ochosi> i just discovered another bug
[13:02] <ochosi> when you open and close the about-dialog a few times it'll break at some point
[13:02] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/751119/
[13:02] <ochosi> so something is fishy there
[13:02] <ochosi> error-messages above ^
[13:04] <bluesabre> I think I know how to fix that
[13:04] <ochosi> okie
[13:04] <bluesabre> this is going to be one stable app
[13:04]  * ochosi is keeping his fingers crossed
[13:04] <ochosi> ;)
[13:05] <ochosi> a tooltip for the "search thoroughly" would also be good
[13:06] <ochosi> btw, do you like that wording? (after all you're the native speaker)
[13:06] <bluesabre> Sounded fine to me.
[13:06] <ochosi> cool
[13:06] <ochosi> oh and the duplication i mentioned earlier with $searchterm in the statusbar
[13:06] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:07] <ochosi> i think it's safe to drop that
[13:07] <bluesabre> I'm just going to remove it
[13:07] <ochosi> because i just noticed the window-border also contains $searchterm :)
[13:07] <bluesabre> I was looking at the windows search (gasp) and they have it at the top, and only the number at the bottom, made sense
[13:07] <ochosi> mhm
[13:08] <laite> ochosi: what would you say about changing the scrollbars blue: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222012-040521pm.php
[13:08] <laite> too much blue?
[13:08] <ochosi> yeah, also it's better to have it in the window-title, because then the window is more easily identified (alt-tab, panel,..)
[13:09] <ochosi> laite: heh, it's pretty blue, yeah :) but it doesn't look bad
[13:09] <bluesabre> laite: what audio player is that?
[13:09] <laite> bluesabre: gmusicbrowser =)
[13:09] <ochosi> laite: to the least you can make the hover-color blue
[13:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: this is basically where laite and me got to know each other :)
[13:09] <laite> ochosi: yeah, that might work better
[13:10] <bluesabre> I like that interface arrangement
[13:11] <laite> Thanks, it's been a work in progress for a long time, but pretty much steady for now :)
[13:17] <ochosi> laite: any thoughts on the catfish-revamp?
[13:18] <laite> ochosi: it looks to shape up pretty good :)
[13:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: say, is it possible that suggestions stop working after one search?
[13:18] <laite> for me, 'search thoroughly' seems a bit clumsy though, but I don't know what would be better
[13:19] <ochosi> laite: if you have a better idea later feel free to let us know :)
[13:19] <bluesabre> ochosi:  It's possible, I'm not sure why it would happen though
[13:19] <laite> I mean, it sounds like the application does lousy job on the first run, and that is not a good image for end-user to have :)
[13:20] <bluesabre> laite: Quick Search vs Deep Search?
[13:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, i think i can narrow it down: if you search for the same searchterm again, it doesn't pop up suggestions anymore
[13:20] <laite> bluesabre: much better
[13:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: (i mean while the results are still there)
[13:20] <bluesabre> thats odd
[13:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: still works for me?
[13:22] <ochosi> my bad, i used a searchterm that (for some reason) doesn't show me any suggestions the first time
[13:22] <ochosi> laite: what do you think of executing an action (exo-open) on suggestions that are actually filenames instead of searching for a filename?
[13:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think another good option would be "close catfish after executing action" (i.e. if you double-click to exo-open a file from the result-set it closes itself)
[13:24] <laite> ochosi: exo-open on double clicking is must, but I'm not really sure what you mean by 'is a filename'
[13:24] <ochosi> laite: i'm talking about the suggestions-popup
[13:24] <laite> oh, right
[13:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'm not so sure about that.  If somebody is looking for a specific image or something, they might want to open several
[13:25] <laite> I think it sounds good
[13:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, probably, that's why i'd make it optional
[13:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: but it could get in the way if you always have to close the programme that actually just lost focus
[13:25] <bluesabre> true
[13:26] <laite> would it be too much a hassle if there was somethign like ctrl+click to open but not closing catfish?
[13:27] <laite> when 'close when double-clicking' is selected
[13:30] <ochosi> laite: the question is less: is it too much of a hassle, it's more: is it discoverable enough?
[13:30] <ochosi> we could just as well map it to middle-click
[13:31] <laite> true, I actually thought of that from web browsers, but since my mouse's middleclick has been broken for a while I've gotten used to ctrl+click links =D
[13:31] <ochosi> heh
[13:31] <ochosi> you know, mice aren't that expensive anymore ;)

[13:32] <laite> But I really like my current one :P
[13:33] <mr_pouit> micahg: easy with ~80 no-change rebuilds :P
[15:24] <ochosi> bbl
[17:47] <astraljava> knome: If you're wondering whether the poll gets relatively few voters, it could be due to not being able to save your submissions on doodle.
[17:47] <knome> astraljava, huh?
[17:47] <knome> astraljava, can you elaborate :)
[17:48] <astraljava> knome: I did everything by the book, but still the save button remained disabled.
[17:48] <knome> astraljava, hmm. js disabled?
[17:48] <astraljava> Let me check.
[17:49] <astraljava> Voi lollero, I cannot even see how to do that in Chrome. :D
[17:49] <knome> lawl.
[17:56] <astraljava> Ahh... found it eventually. No, js is enabled.
[17:56] <knome> weird
[18:59] <ochosi> good, now i also have an excuse for the doodle :)
[19:06] <astraljava> *smirk*
[19:07] <ochosi> astraljava: btw, the catfish-project of bluesabre might also be of interest for u-studio
[19:19] <astraljava> ochosi: Ok, what's that about? I haven't been able to follow the discussion, really.
[19:20] <astraljava> Btw., knome, ochosi: I figured the issue out with doodle. It won't let you save in the Calendar view, but in the Table view.
[19:20] <ochosi> astraljava: catfish is the (rather old) tool for searching in xubuntu, i guess in u-studio as well
[19:20] <astraljava> Stupid design to even show the Save button in the Calendar view at all.
[19:20] <ochosi> astraljava: bluesabre is working on reviving and improving it
[19:20] <ochosi> yeah, +1 on doodle
[19:22] <astraljava> ochosi: Interesting. I haven't used it at all, and don't even wanna check now, cause I still haven't my desktop running (no tables for that), and I hate having to run it in Parallels. :)
[19:22] <ochosi> heh, doesn't sound very convenient
[19:24] <astraljava> Not really, no. The bedroom|study is quite small, and I'd need to put the table against the window, but there's the radiator in a very inconvenient height, so I need to get slightly taller legs for the tabletop. I can do that on the next pay day the earliest, though. :)
[19:37] <ochosi> heh
[19:37] <ochosi> i see
[19:55] <ochosi> night everyone!


[00:04] <gord> MenZa, thats prolly not an appropriate link for -ot
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: I disagree.
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: it's of principled nature.
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: also, note my sarcasm.
[00:05] <gord> MenZa, you can rally against other causes all you want but its still not appropriate for -ot, if it were anyone else i would of taken more action
[00:06] <MenZa> gord: I still disagree heavily. I don't find it inappropriate in any way
 http://blog.lassehavelund.com/2010/how-to-make-a-pipe-bomb/ <3</context>
[00:07] <MenZa> last I checked, gord, computer-related politics was fair game in -ot
[00:07] <gord> its not the politics thats the problem MenZa
[00:07] <gord> obviously
[00:08] <gord> its the "how to make a pipe bomb" part
[00:08] <MenZa> gord: what, coat a tube in pink and paint ponies on it, fill it with an explosive substance and light it on fire?
[00:09] <MenZa> that doesn't seem like a massive brainsqueezer.
[00:09] <gord> its still really not appropriate for -ot
[00:10] <MenZa> I wouldn't call it inappropriate.
[00:14] <Seeker`> haven;t looked at the link, but the URL seems like it would be unsuitable
[00:17] <MenZa> Seeker`: The URL does not explain what the post is about, at all.
[00:48] <tritium> CosmicPizza (wanadoo.fr hostmask) is idle, and in 16 US LoCo channels, along with #ubuntu and #ubuntu-fr.  Any idea if it's a bot of some kind?
[00:49] <Seeker`> msg them with !google, see what happens (seen bots do that before)
[00:50] <tritium> ok
[00:50] <tritium> No response.
[00:52] <niko> hum
[00:52] <niko> good catch
[00:53] <niko> he didn't nothing, no message for months
[00:53] <niko> his client is Xchat
[00:53] <niko> his ctcp.
[00:59] <niko> suspicious anyway
[01:00] <MenZa> meh, as long as he/she/it doesn't do anything malicious, *shrug*
[01:01] <niko> depends channels, in #ubuntu-fr we disallow any kind of bot
[01:01] <niko> but will we see
[01:02] <nhandler> I'm seeing a CosmicPizza that participated in a few discussions, for instance: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/10/21/%23ubuntu-georgia.html
[01:03] <tritium> ok
[01:03] <tritium> It just looked a bit odd, at first.
[01:04] <niko> thanks nhandler
[02:12]  * jrib invites Amaranth_ to stay
[02:12] <Amaranth_> heh
[07:52] <WireWulf> thats odd i shouldnt be wirewulf
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[08:00] <dholbach> hi Flannel
[08:14] <MenZa> morning dholbach
[08:15] <dholbach> hey MenZa
[09:11] <elky> maco, are you still up?
[13:04] <bazhang> holy is sp0rtily
[13:05] <topyli> oh
[13:05] <bazhang> groovyOrange grow-as-apple etc
[13:06] <topyli> oh yes, i remember n=ilya
[13:06] <topyli> realname, rather
[13:12] <topyli> evading, it seems. i see bans in effect
[13:17] <elky> i should hope they are. he's yet to acknowledge that creepiness isn't ok
[13:19] <Pici> so...
[13:20] <topyli> indeed
[13:21] <topyli> remove, invite, what
[13:21] <bazhang> want me to PM him?
[13:22] <elky> worth a fresh try
[13:22] <elky> if it gets circular, bring him here
[13:31] <jpds> tsimpson: Can we have a way of pruning the bans database?
[13:31] <jpds> bans.db : 384.36M
[13:32] <jpds> I dunno, bans which have been removed and older than 2 years -> delete.
[13:32] <tsimpson> we should come up with a set period ban data is kept for, and a way to have exceptions
[13:32] <bazhang> holy, hi
[13:32] <holy> What?
[13:33] <bazhang> thanks for joining
[13:34] <holy> this is mIRC and it is very unusual. Although, I remember ikonia asked something in here...
[13:35] <bazhang> holy, you are ban-evading in #ubuntu-offtopic ; formerly user known as groovyOrange, grow-as-apples, and more
[13:35] <holy> That's a crime! :)
[13:36] <bazhang> it's against network policy
[13:36] <holy> He should grow as a good kid maybe. lol
[13:36] <holy> no
[13:36] <holy> I have asked for this set of names recently
[13:36] <holy> starting from ilya, ilya_
[13:37] <bazhang> it's best to discuss here to have the ban removed, rather than switch IP address and ban-evade
[13:37] <holy> And finally this name
[13:38] <holy> I can not switch IP, DNS are automatic or maybe some default ones. But let's unban me, OK.
[13:39] <elky> holy, do you know why you're banned?
[13:40] <holy> no
[13:42] <elky> are you sure? we talked to you a lot when you were using your fruity nicknames
[13:44] <elky> bazhang, are you still discussing with him or do you need another's input?
[13:44] <holy> i din't use anything.
[13:45] <bazhang> elky, he never responded to my PM, other than my asking to join here
[13:45] <holy> What? It's like you're talking about me!
[13:46] <elky> holy, we keep records of our bans so we know why they are there when we have to deal with others bans. this means we have information about your past behaviour
[13:47] <elky> i can paste a list of your old nicknames, but i'd rather not as this is a logged channel
[13:47] <elky> however, we do need to discuss your behaviour. people find that you make them very uncomfortable
[13:47] <elky> can you think why this may be?
[13:47] <holy> What do you mean by "logged channel"?
[13:48] <elky> !logs
[13:48] <elky> everything we say here is recorded in to "logs" which google can see.
[13:48] <holy> The names contain words or phrases which are censored.
[13:49] <elky> this is for your protection as much as mine
[13:49] <elky> no, the logs are not censored
[13:49] <elky> #ubuntu is logged too.
[13:50] <holy> We shall probably hide some bad names and discover another. This make sence if we're about the content which educates our children.
[13:50] <elky> holy, please focus on the questions i am asking you
[13:51] <holy> IPs should generally be protected with a cloak, as folks at #freenode say.
[13:51] <elky> people find that you make them very uncomfortable. can you think why you might make them uncomfortable?
[13:52] <holy> So send me these names by an email. I pasted my Email at #. . . few times already -- so it's personal but it was seen by many people.
[13:52] <holy> yes
[13:52] <elky> and why do you think that is?
[13:54] <elky> holy, please answer me
[13:55] <holy> Tonyyarusso, for example, usually doesn't get the fact I don't know many English words and talks with me just as I'm his 'English' pal. But I sometimes don't even have a dictionary.
[13:55] <holy> I don't know English and annoy people.
[13:55] <elky> holy, what in *your* behaviour makes other people scared around you?
[13:57] <elky> i can show examples. i want to see if you understand
[13:58] <holy> What?
[13:59] <holy> I think I may understand what you are about to try to say, but I don't want to spend your time.
[13:59] <elky> holy, i can find examples of you asking people their weight in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:59] <elky> do you realise why this is bad?
[14:00] <holy> They would go further in the stress and devotion?
[14:01] <elky> you also made some comments about stalking.
[14:01] <elky> do you realise why this is bad?
[14:02] <holy> stalking?
[14:02] <elky> yes.
[14:03] <holy> no, I don't understand what do you mean by this word, stalking. The definition I find is weird
[14:04] <elky> what definition did you find?
[14:05] <holy> hunting for someone to, probably, talk to
[14:06] <elky> that is correct.
[14:06] <elky> do you know that following people can make them scared?
[14:07] <holy> This sounds unnormal. So say what was it said about.
[14:07] <elky> especially when you ask them personal questions such as if they are fat or skinny
[14:07] <holy> elky chatting isn't so scaring.
[14:07] <elky> it is when you want private information
[14:07] <elky> someone's weight is private information if you cannot see it
[14:08] <elky> do you like it when people ask you things you do *not* want to say to them?
[14:08] <holy> I'm sitting sick at home because I fought with 10 drunken teenagers few days ago. they could kill me.
[14:08] <elky> that's not what we're discussing
[14:09] <holy> Few days and I will go back to work. Although, will hve to walk at night, anyway..
[14:09] <holy> elky they always ask it.
[14:10] <elky> that's not what i asked. i asked if you are happy for people to ask you information you want to keep private
[14:10] <holy> many people asked where am i live and i have given them some place i know about
[14:10] <holy> I was very inventing one, not the scary one... :)
[14:11] <holy> elky One person on IRC advised me to say something consistent but imaginery.
[14:11] <holy> So I do.
[14:11] <elky> sigh. since you cannot take seriously that you scare people by asking them *private* details they want to keep as secrets, then I cannot unban you.
[14:11] <holy> private information?
[14:11] <elky> yes
[14:11] <holy> like weight?
[14:12] <elky> i cannot see your weight from here. it is a secret. you cannot see mine. it is also a secret
[14:12] <elky> i do not want to tell you that secret and would be scared of you if you asked
[14:12] <holy> and like what else?
[14:13] <holy> elky So these are probably people from some closed chats. Not from e.g. #english or #running.
[14:14] <holy> Also, what if I have registered names after someone has asked it?
[14:14] <elky> holy, you asked personal private information about people and you made them scared. you talked about stalking, and you made more people scared. you are not sorry for either. why would i be mean to the users and let you scare them again?
[14:15] <holy> I stalked ot talked about stalking? I don't understand, tell what you intended to say directly.
[14:16] <elky> you talked about it like it was good
[14:17] <elky> and asked what people looked like. and whether they were fat or skinny. it is very very creepy to do that.
[14:17] <holy> Prove it. Someone with this name, probably not even identified, were talking about something and I have to discuss it!?
[14:17] <elky> you called people tyrants for being scared of you
[14:17] <holy> I yes saw watch one time a sexual scene with male gays. But not more! :)
[14:18] <Myrtti> right
[14:18] <holy> I never ask this shit.
[14:18] <Myrtti> I think this discussion is over
[14:19] <elky> Myrtti, agreed. holy, your ban will *NOT* be lifted.
[14:19] <bazhang> oh well worth a try
[14:19] <Myrtti> I wouldn't say that in the light of my backlog
[14:20] <Myrtti> utter waste of time
[14:20] <ikonia> he/she speaks english fine under the other nicknames - so that's nonsense
[14:20] <bazhang> yep
[14:22] <elky> it's probably a scrutiny thing. when it really counts, he chokes. the hesitations are there.
[14:23] <jpds> wut.
[14:24] <elky> either way, his attitude has not improved in the least
[14:24] <elky> and i am so not going to point the creep to the people who he creeped out in 2008
[14:26] <elky> .oO(It's been that long? lolwut where did my year go?)
[15:21] <Myrtti> oh lol
[15:21] <Myrtti> I was just !attitude'd at #ubuntu
[15:21] <Myrtti> it made me lol
[15:22] <genii> Myrtti: Me too
[15:28] <tsimpson> Myrtti: at least it was by a troll :)
[15:29] <Pici> It usually is.
[15:38] <Pici> ikonia: thanks?
[15:38] <ikonia> snigger
[15:38]  * ikonia trolls pici
[15:47]  * Pici suggests keeping an eye on irc9
[15:48] <ikonia> noted
[15:48] <ikonia> nice ident
[15:48] <Pici> you mean host. But yes.
[15:48] <ikonia> yes
[18:13] <tommy3> can someone check to see why I am banned on #ubuntu, and if it can be cleared.
[18:14] <jussi01> tommy3: just a moment please
[18:28] <tommy3> jussi01: still there?
[18:28] <Pici> tommy3: We just were discussing the issue, the ban has been removed.
[18:29] <tommy3> Pici: Thanks. I can only guess that someone in my company did something and got the ip banned. Dont remember doing anything myself.
[18:31] <jussi01> tommy3: possibly. In anycase it would be a good idea to peruse the guidelines a little and make sure everything is good ;)
[18:31] <jussi01> !guidelines
[18:31] <Pici> jussi01: thanks, just distracted a bit here.
[18:32] <Pici> er
[18:33] <jussi01> tommy3: Enjoy your stay in ubuntu :) If theres anything else you need from the ops, feel free to join back here :)
[18:38] <jussi01> tommy3: is there anything else you need from us?
[18:40] <jussi01> tommy3: ?
[18:40] <Pici> !away > Claudiu__
[18:41] <jussi01> hehe, I was just going to do that
[18:43] <jussi01> Bryanstein: is there something we can help you with?
[18:54] <pressenter> Good afternoob.
[18:54] <pressenter> I'm an op from #ubuntu-pl and we have a problem, cause our owner hasnt been showing like 4 or 5 months now and we pretty much cant do anything.
[18:55] <pressenter> Is there a way to do something with this, if we have no contact with the owner?
[18:57] <tsimpson> pressenter: #ubuntu-irc is the best place to discuss this
[18:57] <pressenter> K, thanks.
[19:02] <pressenter> Take care.
[20:07]  * Myrtti facepalms
[20:08] <topyli> Bryanstein, can we help you?
[20:10] <Myrtti> idle 11hrs
[20:10] <topyli> ghrmfpf
[20:10] <Pici> Thats why we use /remove and not /kick
[20:10] <Myrtti> yup
[20:11] <Myrtti> seems just weird that someone like a admin of a shell provider would have autojoin-on-kick on, though
[20:11] <Myrtti> old saying of the jungle "kick is not an invite"
[20:12] <Myrtti> "TUT-TUT"
[20:14] <Myrtti> mneptok: I trust you are pm'ing him?
[20:22] <mneptok> nope
[20:22] <mneptok> but i'll respond if he asks. and he's in another channel i'm in
[20:44] <Myrtti> could someone confirm what I just saw on #ubuntu?
[20:45] <mneptok> confirmed.
[21:07] <guntbert> please have someone an eye on master_: in #ubuntu? I'm not sure if he is only a little too eager to help...
[21:11] <nhandler> Alright, thanks for the heads up guntbert
[21:11] <guntbert> nhandler: np :)
[21:28] <Myrtti> !cloak > Tayl


[18:32] <Scary_Guy> https://blog.networkprofile.org/home-server-room-power-upgrade-multi-room-ups/
[19:35] <cmaloney> https://chipmunkson16speed.bandcamp.com/track/whip-it