[00:49] <bkerensa> anyone want to spare some bandwidth to seed Edubuntu? So far it has the least seeders of all our flavors
[02:49] <jokerdino> mhall119: hey, around?
[03:05] <mhall119> yup
[03:06] <mhall119> why I don't know
[03:06] <mhall119> but I am
[03:07] <jokerdino> Haha. it's regarding the Mark's blogpost.. :D
[03:07] <jokerdino> How can I help? :)
[03:08] <mhall119> jokerdino: I need to konw what languages and technologies you have experience with, and what areas you'd like to be involved in
[03:09] <jokerdino> i know a wee bit of python. what areas are around? And here's the LP: https://launchpad.net/~barneedhar
[03:09] <mhall119> jokerdino: Mark listed a few areas in his post
[03:10] <jokerdino> desktop-UI please.
[03:11] <mhall119> jokerdino: any UI toolkits you're good with?
[03:11] <jokerdino> a bit of GTK.
[03:12] <mhall119> jokerdino: ok, I've got you on my list, once we get some projects in we'll try and pair them up with contributors
[03:12] <jokerdino> thanks!
[03:12] <mhall119> np
[03:12] <jokerdino> good night for you!
[06:01] <dholbach> good morning
[06:01] <nigelb> ooh
[06:02] <nigelb> it appears persia is back to normal?
[06:02] <nigelb> (or some semblance of normalcy)
[06:02] <elfy> dholbach: lol - thought that was this channel :)
[06:02] <elfy> hi nigelb
[06:02] <nigelb> I just saw a random picture from openstack event with him in it :)
[06:02] <nigelb> Hey elfy, morning dholbach
[06:03] <dholbach> hi nigelb :)
[06:03] <nigelb> FRIDAY!
[06:05] <JoseeAntonioR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[06:21] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: would you like to confirm your UOW session? :)
[06:21] <dholbach> in a call - brb
[06:33] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, done
[06:33] <dholbach> notgary is such a nice guy
[06:33] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks!
[06:34] <dholbach> just had a chat with him on skype about the papercuts project
[06:34] <JoseeAntonioR> he's the one trying to revive it, right?
[06:34] <dholbach> yes
[06:34] <bkerensa> dholbach your such a nice guy :D
[06:35] <bkerensa> dholbach: so will we review Dev News in 13.04? :)
[06:35] <dholbach> thanks bkerensa
[06:35] <bkerensa> revive*
[06:35] <dholbach> yes, we've got to do something about it :)
[06:35] <bkerensa> indeed
[06:36] <bkerensa> I have to do something about preparing a presentation for release party this saturday
[06:36] <bkerensa> I know it will have a Gangnam Style Gif
[06:36] <bkerensa> :D
[06:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I want to do a Gangnam Style flashmob in the UDS closing party!
[06:38] <dholbach> one day I hope it'll get clear to me what the excitement is about :-P
[06:39] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe a video will work
[06:40] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: do you know where I can get the quetzal logo?
[06:40] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: sure, one sec
[06:40] <bkerensa> you rock man
[06:40] <bkerensa> :)
[06:41] <JoseeAntonioR> you too!
[06:41] <bkerensa> dholbach: you know us Americans.... we love viral youtube nonsense :P
[06:41] <JoseeAntonioR> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/quantal.png is a non-official version
[06:41] <dholbach> bkerensa, make no mistake - Germans do too :)
[06:42] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: there's an svg version too
[06:42] <dholbach> what do you use to tweet/dent from multiple accounts? I find gwibber a bit hard to use since I never know which of the buttons is for which account
[06:43] <bkerensa> dholbach: Is it hard being vegetarian in Germany? I always figured Germany was a big meat country? Sausages... Beef a jus?
[06:43] <bkerensa> that or the Haufbraus here just got it wrong
[06:43] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:43] <dholbach> bkerensa, in Berlin it's incredibly easy - there's lots of vegan and vegetarian places
[06:43] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I use gwibber-poster, have set it to launch on Ctrl+Alt+P, so I just write and select the account
[06:44] <dholbach> bkerensa, but yeah, you're right - the Germans (among many other nationalities) love their meat, but usually there's always vegetarian options on the menu, wherever you are in the country
[06:44] <bkerensa> dholbach: I use tweetdeck (web) I really wish Gwibber was up to par but the guy who maintains it told me Canonical just pays him to do that maintain not add new features much
[06:44] <dholbach> bkerensa, vegan sometimes is harder, but if you can make yourself understood, that's also possible
[06:45] <dholbach> bkerensa, Canonical pays him to what?
[06:45] <bkerensa> dholbach: uhh I cant remember the guys name
[06:45] <bkerensa> he said Canonical pays him to maintain Gwibber
[06:45] <dholbach> bkerensa, no, you said "Canonical just pays him to do that maintain not add new features much"
[06:45] <dholbach> ah, ok there was a missing comma
[06:45] <dholbach> nevermind, got it :)
[06:45] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:45] <bkerensa> Gwibber is essential for notifications I guess
[06:46] <JoseeAntonioR> yay, we'll be having SSO 2-factor auth!
[06:46] <bkerensa> Ken VanDine
[06:46] <bkerensa> thats it
[06:46] <dholbach> right, gwibber is probably not the biggest opportunity canonical wants to invest in :)
[06:46] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'll check it out
[06:46] <bkerensa> true
[06:46] <bkerensa> SSO 2-factor for what? Desktop?
[06:46] <JoseeAntonioR> SSO in general
[06:47] <JoseeAntonioR> Ubuntu SSO
[06:47] <bkerensa> I want my Yubikey to be natively supported
[06:47] <bkerensa> :D
[06:47] <dholbach> natively supported?
[06:47] <JoseeAntonioR> I don't have one, I hope I can get one
[06:47] <dholbach> yubikey works for me
[06:47] <dholbach> ok, I take it all back, gwibber now works for me - woohoo - I can see which account is which
[06:47]  * dholbach does the happy dance
[06:47] <bkerensa> huh
[06:48] <dholbach> I was getting sick of using the web interface :)
[06:48] <bkerensa> dholbach: you use yubikey to login to Ubuntu itself?
[06:48] <dholbach> ahhh ok - that's what you meant by "natively"
[06:48] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:48] <dholbach> I thought for sso 2-factor auth
[06:48] <bkerensa> native desktop login
[06:48] <bkerensa> ahh
[06:48] <dholbach> ok ok
[06:48] <dholbach> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[06:48] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[06:49] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: guess what! you'll have pisco!
[06:49] <dholbach> dear lord
[06:49] <dholbach> working on Ubuntu is not good for your liver
[06:50] <nigelb> hahaha
[06:50] <JoseeAntonioR> definitely not!
[06:51] <JoseeAntonioR> I just found out it's legal for minors to drink and smoke in Denmark, which is weird
[06:51] <nigelb> s/Ubuntu/open source/g
[06:51] <nigelb> JoseeAntonioR: is there anything open week related you need a hand with?
[06:51] <nigelb> i.e. calender, etc
[06:51] <JoseeAntonioR> nigelb: seems like not, just waiting for a team to confirm its session and we're good to go
[06:52] <nigelb> okay.
[06:52] <nigelb> Is everything in the calender yet?
[06:52] <JoseeAntonioR> it's all in there
[06:52] <nigelb> awesome
[06:52] <nigelb> I'll review it over the weekend just in case.
[06:53] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks
[06:58] <JoseeAntonioR> nigelb: do you know what's the time frame for the summit auto-scheduler to re-schedule sessions?
[06:58] <nigelb> what do you mean what's the time-frame?
[06:59] <nigelb> it's a cron, so chris would know.
[06:59] <nigelb> Or mike.
[06:59] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, just asking
[06:59] <nigelb> It's usually every half an hour.
[07:00] <JoseeAntonioR> then, if it's at 00 and 30, it should happen in a few mins
[07:00] <nigelb> it's specifically not 00 and 30 :)
[07:00] <nigelb> It's at odd minutes because there's scheduler and rescheduler so they must be set off.
[07:01] <JoseeAntonioR> ah
[07:02] <JoseeAntonioR> I still need to understand a bit more of how it works
[07:02] <nigelb> Haha
[07:02] <nigelb> You're better off than us.
[07:02] <nigelb> We learned about rescheduler *at* UDS.
[07:02] <nigelb> (it wasn't checked in for ages)
[07:04] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[07:12] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: what size of tshirt do you wear?
[07:13] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, M
[07:13] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, ok
[07:13] <dholbach> why do you ask? :)
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> I wanted to get a community track lead tshirt, but I'm L
[07:17] <dholbach> let's see how the T-Shirts work out this time - maybe it'll work out for both of us :)
[07:17] <dholbach> maybe it'll be a big M :)
[07:17] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe :P
[07:17] <elfy> I'd need a small xxl
[07:18] <JoseeAntonioR> otherwise I'd have to ask Nick
[07:28] <dholbach> dpm, es.po: 95%
[07:28] <dpm> :)
[07:28] <dholbach> WOW
[07:28] <dholbach> the only problem we have now is that we need to figure out the build for other languages, but I think we're getting close
[07:29] <dholbach> I'll also look into getting different languages up on developer.u.c too
[07:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:41] <nigelb> Morning czajkowski
[07:41] <nigelb> My life has way too many lauras now ;)
[07:41] <czajkowski> lol
[07:41] <nigelb> I got emails from 3 different lauras today morning. Very confusing :)
[07:43] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[07:55] <dholbach> dpm, how often does it happen that translators break markup? :)
[07:55] <dholbach> dpm, do other translations systems or whatever part of their infrastructure tests translations anything in place to guard them against things like that?
[07:59] <czajkowski> nigelb: one of me is more than enough ;)
[08:01] <bkerensa> ugh
[08:01] <bkerensa> RH slamming Mark on this skunkworks now
[08:01] <bkerensa> =/
[08:02] <dholbach> do you have a link?
[08:02] <bkerensa> dholbach: https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/6fJGtTcLz8K
[08:02] <bkerensa> its of course our friend Jan Wildeboer
[08:02] <bkerensa> :D
[08:02] <czajkowski> bkerensa: d you just sit online 24/7 reading and posting on sits?
[08:02] <czajkowski> *sites
[08:02] <bkerensa> czajkowski: No
[08:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: haha, apparently not :)
[08:03] <czajkowski> are you sure :)
[08:06] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Jan is in one of my Linux circles so I see most of his content
[08:06] <bkerensa> with a few cats in between
[08:06] <bkerensa> :)
[08:06] <czajkowski> yup he's in mine also
[08:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Have you had your release parties yet? How did they go if so?
[08:07] <czajkowski> one down and one to go
[08:07] <czajkowski> we had 24 students last night turn up for my talk
[08:08] <czajkowski> showed a funky cool ass video on webapps
[08:08] <czajkowski> they all went off to download 12.10
[08:08] <dholbach> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1068493
[08:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068493 in ubuntu-packaging-guide "Spanish translation FTBFS" [High,Triaged]
[08:08] <czajkowski> and on tuesday I'll go back and go through reporting bugs and doing stuff on LP
[08:10] <chilicuil> czajkowski: do u have still around that video?, hi, btw
[08:10] <czajkowski> chilicuil: I do
[08:10] <czajkowski> 2 ticks
[08:11] <czajkowski> http://youtu.be/AUTNxi6b-hw
[08:11] <czajkowski> it's handy to explain  to people
[08:11] <chilicuil> cool, thanks, I may use it
[08:12] <czajkowski> chilicuil: it's not mine :)
[08:12] <czajkowski> but just handy when trying to showcase something
[08:12] <bkerensa> czajkowski: very cool
[08:13] <bkerensa> czajkowski: was this at the girls school?
[08:13] <czajkowski> then over the weekend I need to write a talk to give to 120 school girls about enginnering , open source studing computers and Ubuntu
[08:13] <czajkowski> bkerensa: nope last night was my uni University of  Limerick
[08:15] <chilicuil> I didnt know alvaro ortega was an ubuntu fan (I may be wrong, he could be just testing ubuntu)
[08:18] <chilicuil> ok, now I know he works for canonical, http://www.alobbs.com/1395/Exciting_times.html cool
[08:19] <czajkowski> well not any mor e:/
[08:19] <czajkowski> he's gone
[08:20] <chilicuil> :S wops
[08:21] <czajkowski> he never blogged in a year :/
[08:21] <czajkowski> chilicuil: if you see his G+ page you'll see where he now works
[08:22] <chilicuil> I can see now, red hat, ehh, at least he still goes open =)
[08:25] <bkerensa> Good night folks!
[08:26] <czajkowski> G'nite
[08:27] <dholbach> night bkerensa
[10:20] <dpm> dholbach, can you assign the bug to ubuntu-l10n-es? They'll get notification and will take care of the fixes
[10:45] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[10:59] <czajkowski> anyone know what ubuntu tweak did http://blog.ubuntu-tweak.com/2012/10/19/the-development-of-ubuntu-tweak-is-stopped.html
[12:27] <AlanBell> mhall119: ok, so I will bite, tell me about the super sekrit projects and how I get involved :)
[12:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: I don't know what projects are going to be worked on, but I'll add you to my list of interested people for when I do
[12:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: can you tell me what areas you're interested in and what skills you have in those areas?
[12:51] <akgraner> hahahaha
[12:51] <popey> mhall119, I too would like to work on something on my own time. add me to the list please! :D
[12:54] <AlanBell> mhall119: well I am probably best at the analytical data crunching thing, but what I want to do is make sure that random stuff doesn't go "tada!" before someone has at least contemplated the impact on orca
[12:57] <mhall119> popey: I dunno, can you be trusted?
[12:57] <popey> Absolutely not!
[12:58] <czajkowski> hmm my accessibilyt logo thingy never appeared
[12:58] <czajkowski> didnt know it was meant to be on by default on 12.10
[12:59] <AlanBell> it isn't
[12:59] <popey> its not
[12:59] <AlanBell> there is a kind of broken indicator that you can activate and doesn't do much
[13:00] <AlanBell> accessibility on all the time is a low level GTK thing, not a visible thing (and I am not sure if we have it yet)
[13:00] <czajkowski> ah
[13:00] <AlanBell> orca and onboard are installed by default as always
[13:01] <AlanBell> there is a really good accessibility indicator in Gnome Shell
[13:01] <mhall119> AlanBell: can you convert it to an AppIndicator for Unity?
[13:02] <AlanBell> (Gnome Shell is only slightly more accessible than Unity)
[13:02] <AlanBell> although in Gnome Shell you can actually navigate the application icons reliably and run stuff you want to run
[13:04] <AlanBell> mhall119: dunno if it is convertable as such, but an indicator that does accessibility stuff would be plausible
[13:05] <AlanBell> onboard does an indicator (dunno if it is an indicator or a tray icon)
[13:05] <AlanBell> I guess all the accessibility applications should publish stuff into one indicator
[13:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: oh, interesting idea
[13:11] <mhall119> like the messaging and sound menus do
[13:11] <AlanBell> yeah, like that
[13:11] <AlanBell> or you get indicator proliferation, like systray icons
[13:12] <AlanBell> owncloud, U1, dropbox, sparkleshare should all share an indicator
[13:46] <jbicha> sabdfl's becoming quite a blogger, 3 posts in 3 days :)
[14:04] <IdleOne> mhall119: I would be interested in helping out in non-developer capacity.
[14:09] <IdleOne> Don't know exactly how that would work to be honest but if there is anything I can do please let me know.
[14:19] <mhall119> IdleOne: right now I'm just collecting information on interested people
[14:19] <IdleOne> mhall119: sounds good, add me to the list please :)
[14:19] <mhall119> IdleOne: can you PM me your full name, launchpad nick, areas of interest (Mark mentioned some in his original post), and what skills and knowledge you have for that area
[14:19] <IdleOne> sure
[14:21] <mhall119> thanks
[15:00] <dholbach> jono, hola muchacho
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, howdy!
[15:00] <mhall119> morning
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, mhall119, dpm setting it up now
[15:01] <dpm> ok
[15:01] <balloons> how-dee!
[15:03] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, mhall119, dpm invite sent
[15:03] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3173e7746dced52797f6a2212dd76878f65ab518?hl=de#
[15:04] <balloons> this is awesome! http://www.virtualapple.org/J_oregontraildisk.html
[15:04] <balloons> who remember oregon trail?
[15:04]  * czajkowski stabs java plugin
[15:05] <balloons> czajkowski, try http://www.virtualapple.org/oregontraildisk.html :-)
[15:05] <dpm> jono, trying to get in, I think the g+ webapp broke hangouts for me
[15:08] <dpm> brb, exiting the session
[15:49] <daker> mhall119: http://i.imgur.com/czXSh.png now the social counters show where the audience resides :)
[15:50] <mhall119> daker: wow, what happened?
[15:50] <daker> buzz buzz buzz :)
[15:56] <daker> mhall119: i think they should put the FB page instead of the website
[15:57] <czajkowski> daker: what page are you referring to ?
[15:58] <daker> the like button
[15:59] <AlanBell> daker: on what page did that screenshot come from?
[15:59] <daker> ubuntu.com
[15:59] <AlanBell> so it did :)
[16:01] <czajkowski> daker: still not sure what FB page you are referring to ?
[16:03] <daker> the like button have to point to https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux and not ubuntu.com
[16:04] <czajkowski> another Ububntu page on fb :o
[16:04] <czajkowski> *ubuntu
[16:04] <daker> what ?
[16:05] <daker> it's not the official ?
[16:05] <dholbach> alright my friends - I head out into the weekend
[16:05] <dholbach> have a good one everybody
[16:05] <dholbach> big hugs
[16:05] <daker> a+
[16:05] <dholbach> a+ mon ami :)
[16:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: toodle pip
[16:06] <dholbach> daker, or ليلة سعيدة
[16:06] <dholbach> :)
[16:06] <daker> hah
[16:06] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:07] <IdleOne> a+ tard always looks like an insult to me lol
[16:10] <daker> à plutard IdleOne :)
[16:10] <IdleOne> j'vais pas nul part
[16:10] <IdleOne> merci quand meme :)
[16:11] <daker> hah
[16:58] <philballew> mhall119, so mark told us all to ping you to get on "the list?" Seems like you might get pinged a lot.
[16:58] <mhall119> philballew: a fair amount, yes
[16:58] <mhall119> :)
[16:59] <mhall119> I feel like Santa Claus, making my list
[16:59] <philballew> well add me to the list of people wanting to be inside the "circle of trust"
[16:59] <mhall119> philballew: can you PM me your full name, launchpad nick, areas of interest (Mark mentioned some in his original post), and what skills and knowledge you have for that area
[17:00] <philballew> sure.
[17:00] <mhall119> thanks
[17:01] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: is testing of those features included as an area of interest?
[17:03] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: there's no clear definition of what is and isn't at this point, if you're interested PM me the above info and I'll add you
[18:55] <doctormo-pastor> hey everyone
[19:10] <mhall119> pastor-mo?
[19:13] <jbicha> Rev. Dr. Mo?
[19:35] <doctormo-pastor> jbicha: Of course my son!
[23:31] <akgraner> and QT 4 people around  - I need to install and compile it - and I am a bit lost (or actually a bit nervous so I have some questions) :-(
[23:31] <akgraner> s/and/any


[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[06:58] <jibel> good morning
[06:59] <elfy> morning jibel
[07:01] <jibel> morning elfy
[09:47] <apw> gema, what triggers boot speed testing?  i don't see one since the 4th listsed
[09:48] <gema> apw: new image
[09:48] <gema> let me see
[09:49] <gema> apw: we've had this massive queue of results stuck not being able to make it to the public jenkins
[09:49] <gema> and hence not making it to the dashboard
[09:49] <gema> I will have a look at the intranet and see if these results are there
[09:49] <gema> and republish
[09:50] <apw> gema, ta
[09:50] <jibel> apw, results on jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com are days behind. publication is extremely slow and we couldn't identify the reason yet
[09:50] <jibel> working on it
[09:51] <apw> jibel, oh ok
[09:53] <gema> apw: we have the runs in the intranet, though, if you have a key I can show you where they are
[09:53] <gema> apw: we have runs all the way to yesterday
[09:54] <apw> gema, yep i should have access
[10:47] <pitti> jibel: you said that autopkgtest email notifications were working now?
[10:47] <pitti> jibel: would it be possible to CC: me on these?
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: I just retried three which were failed on a publisher error, that's the kind of error that needs us, not the uploader
[11:40] <jibel> pitti, sure, notifications are still sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i planned to change the MTA this week.
[12:08] <samgabbay> ellooooooo sam is here for yall :P
[12:40] <samgabbay> oh jesus
[14:20] <zyga> retoaded: ping
[14:20] <zyga> retoaded: good day, long time no see
[14:21] <retoaded> zyga, Oh I've been about. Attempted to take a few days holiday.
[14:22] <zyga> retoaded: :) cool I'm looking forward to mine as well
[14:22] <zyga> retoaded: listen, i need some help with jenkins that we're using for chekbox
[14:22] <retoaded> zyga, ok
[14:22] <zyga> retoaded: we have a way to run our tests offline now
[14:22] <zyga> retoaded: so the firewalll won't be an issue
[14:22] <zyga> retoaded: but we need to install a few extra dependencies from the archive on the nodes
[14:23] <zyga> retoaded: and we need to copy a directory to them, and that's what I'm not sure how to do
[14:23] <zyga> retoaded: do you think you could help us with that this week
[14:23] <retoaded> zyga, should be able to do that
[14:23] <zyga> retoaded: the directory has all the support source that we bascally install during tests
[14:23] <zyga> retoaded: when would be the best moment to talk about that?
[14:24] <retoaded> zyga, later this afternoon should be good. Or tomorrow morning if that's better for you
[14:24] <zyga> retoaded: ok, if you have some spare time, ping me later today
[14:24] <zyga> retoaded: otherwise let's do it tomorrow morning
[14:24] <retoaded> zyga, ack
[14:24] <zyga> retoaded: what's the best time for you?
[14:25] <zyga> retoaded: it's 16:25 for me now
[14:25] <retoaded> zyga, either is good for me; just a bit swamped this morning trying to catch up
[14:25] <zyga> retoaded: ok
[14:25] <zyga> retoaded: it's not urgent
[14:25] <zyga> retoaded: let's just try to do it this week
[14:26] <zyga> retoaded: thanks
[14:26] <retoaded> zyga, I can work on part of the need this afternoon (my time) and ping you in the morning to work on the details
[14:26] <zyga> retoaded: ok
[14:26] <retoaded> it's 10:26 for me
[14:26] <zyga> ok
[14:26] <zyga> retoaded: I'll ping you in three hours, sounds good?
[14:26] <retoaded> zyga, sounds good
[14:26] <zyga> excellent
[15:09] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[15:10] <balloons> morning SergioMeneses :-)
[15:10] <SergioMeneses> balloons, hi bro! how you been?
[15:11] <balloons> Time's flying by.. This start of the cycle has been just as busy as the end.. almost :-)
[15:12] <balloons> we've been doing many sessions.. classroom stuff planning and running, hackfests, and new ideas :-p
[15:13] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I've been reading about it :) I expect to have time enough these days
[15:13] <SergioMeneses> right now I'm working on audacity testcase
[15:14] <balloons> SergioMeneses, it's wonderful to see how much folks are getting involved with writing the tests
[15:14] <elfy> indeed it is that
[15:14] <elfy> and hi balloons SergioMeneses
[15:14] <balloons> chilicuil was amazing and made bugs for everything
[15:14] <balloons> hello elfy
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> elfy, hi
[15:15] <chilicuil> balloons: morning ballons =)
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> balloons, indeed
[15:17] <balloons> chilicuil, your done with opening reports right? So we can mark that work item done :-)
[15:18] <chilicuil> balloons: yep, I'll continue with the ones left
[15:21] <elfy> does that mean there are more?
[15:23] <chilicuil> elfy: yep, there are more items to get done: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html
[15:24] <SergioMeneses> elfy, always jeje
[15:24] <SergioMeneses> we work all the time
[15:24] <zyga> retoaded: re
[15:24] <elfy> aah that'll be it then
[15:26] <balloons> I keep do the wrong thing and adding stuff :-)
[15:26] <balloons> But I should be able to mark some things off today from last week
[15:26] <elfy> I only notice the Xubuntu ones increasing :)
[15:33] <SergioMeneses> elfy, because we work last cycle only in ubuntu :)
[15:34] <elfy> well I wouldn't have - it would be pointless me looking - I'd not have the first idea how things work there anymore :)
[16:43] <elfy> balloons: can I have nested tests for something like thunar?
[16:43] <balloons> elfy, what do you mean nested?
[16:43] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/65xnJHir
[16:43] <elfy> balloons: like that ^^
[16:44] <elfy> trying to make it look half logical - rather than just a list of tests that are 'connected'
[16:44] <balloons> elfy, ohh
[16:44] <balloons> and sure give it a whirl.. I don't think there's anything wrong with that persay
[16:44] <elfy> ok
[16:45] <elfy> we'll see how it looks then :)
[16:45] <balloons> :-0
[16:45] <elfy> just not today :p
[18:07] <gema> apw: it seems that results are already there
[18:07] <gema> apw: today's images look good
[19:39] <retoaded> zyga, the cert jenkins nodes all have the public keys for the jenkins user on the jenkins master so you can (within the jenkins jobs) transfer directories/files from the master to the slave node.
[19:40] <zyga> retoaded: how can I ssh into master and add stuff there?
[19:40] <retoaded> zyga, I can create you an account
[19:41] <zyga> retoaded: thanks
[19:42] <zyga> retoaded: please authenticate my launchpad keys with ssh-import-id
[19:42] <retoaded> zyga, planned on it :-)
[20:02] <Noskcaj> balloons, i have a "small" testcase review for you
[20:02] <balloons> small eh?
[20:02] <Noskcaj> ;)
[20:02] <Noskcaj> and Some questions:
[20:02] <Noskcaj> Could you explain the purpose of 1314_Non-English Live Session & Installation; No Network and 1315_Non-English Live Session & Installation; Full Network Support
[20:02] <Noskcaj> Can we remove 1502_Xubuntu Raring Parole 0.5.0 or do we need it for "archived" results?
[20:02] <Noskcaj> Why do all the hardware tests still reference Gnome classic?
[20:02] <Noskcaj> also, 1317_Upgrade to dev - ubuntu-desktop - text mode - non interactive is a stub
[20:10] <balloons> whew.. let' start at the top
[20:11] <balloons> 1) the non-english network and live session testcases are to test non-network installs and non-english / non-western installs. In the past we've had issues specific to these things
[20:11] <balloons> 2) It stays for "archived" results, but doesn't have to stay active if that's what you mean.
[20:11] <balloons> 3) We should file a bug and remove those references :-)
[20:12] <balloons> 4) It is a stub, and a result of reporting atuomated testing on the tracker.. I'm not sure why it's happening there, but it will remain a stub as long as it does
[20:14] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks balloons. i'll also make a bug for the fact server has only one <dd> in each testcase
[20:15] <balloons> thanks Noskcaj !
[20:15] <balloons> I should get to your MP's today
[20:15] <Noskcaj> ok, ty
[20:30] <Noskcaj> for question 1, i meant those specific tests, not all non-english ones. i couldn't see the point
[20:37] <balloons> Noskcaj, what do you mean?
[20:41] <Noskcaj> balloons, those two tests are near identical to two others. i'm confused as to why we need both
[20:41] <balloons> ahh, which tests? We might be able to combine and lower the number of needed tests
[20:43] <Noskcaj> 1311 and 1315, 1312 and 1314. both tests are very similar
[20:43] <Noskcaj> and we need someone fluent in each language to check tests 1316
[20:57] <phillw> Noskcaj: which languages do you need?
[20:58] <Noskcaj> phillw, Chinese (traditional and simplified), Japanese and Korean
[20:58] <balloons> Noskcaj, ok let me go look at those
[20:59] <phillw> Noskcaj: the Kylin team may well be able to help out with the chinese ones.
[21:00] <phillw> afaik, our head of artwork learnt Japanese (odd hobby to have, I know!)
[21:00] <Noskcaj> well theres three of them. i wonder how long it's been since someone checked this testcase
[21:01] <balloons> Noskcaj, it seems 1315 is wrong actually
[21:01] <balloons> it asks you to use english?
[21:02] <balloons> the difference is however between the "try" and "install" options
[21:02] <balloons> they present different bits of code to run
[21:02] <balloons> on 1316 we just reviewed it for raring
[21:02] <balloons> the kylin folks helped out :-)
[21:03] <Noskcaj> balloons, ok. the select english bit was part of why i  was confused.
[21:03] <balloons> yes, it should be non-english
[21:03] <balloons> still we could probably do some cleanup or consolidation here
[21:03] <Noskcaj> and you might need to re-check 1316 incase i did something wrong
[21:03] <balloons> perhaps simply stating folks to run-through an install using non-english and then put the necessary things to look for at the end
[21:03] <balloons> simplify the steps
[21:05] <phillw> just a quick BTW, at 22:00 UTC there is a docs meeting in #ubuntu-meeting for any who are interested.
[21:08] <Noskcaj> phillw, i'll try and attend part of it
[21:09] <phillw> Noskcaj: the logs will be available after the meeting :)
[21:57] <Noskcaj> the xubuntu and studio links in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/#QA_related_teams are broken
[21:58] <Noskcaj> also, shouldn't gnome, mythbuntu and kylin have a page


[01:37] <george_e> Does anyone know if either of these issues will be a problem?
[06:02] <PaoloRotolo> Salve
[06:04] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning
[06:34] <PaoloRotolo> Hi popey
[06:34] <popey> hello PaoloRotolo
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:51] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, Good morning!
[06:52] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[06:52] <dholbach> hey dpm
[06:52] <dpm> morgen dholbach
[06:53] <PaoloRotolo> hi dpm :)
[06:53] <dpm> ciao PaoloRotolo
[06:53] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[06:57] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, please, can you tell me what is the difference between "needs review" and "Waiting on Developer" on Trello?
[07:09] <dpm> PaoloRotolo, I assume 'needs review' is waiting for an ARB contributor to look at the app, whereas 'waiting on developer' means the ARB is waiting for the app developer to answer or act on something they've asked him/her to do
[07:11] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, ok, thanks!
[07:12] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, btw, some apps aren't in the app-contributor branch
[07:13] <PaoloRotolo> like "Day journal" https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/999/
[07:13] <dpm> PaoloRotolo: dholbach might be better able to help you on this one ^
[07:14] <dholbach> lp:~ubuntu-app-review-contributors/ubuntu-app-reviews/dayjournal
[07:15] <dholbach> use https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews/+branches instead of https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews - it's a LP bug that it only shows 100 branches
[07:27] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, excellent, thanks!
[07:31] <dholbach> brb
[07:34] <vibhav> What is the section "Waiting on Developer" for?
[07:36] <PaoloRotolo> vibhav, hi, I've asked the same  question 10 minutes ago :D
[07:36] <PaoloRotolo> "<dpm> PaoloRotolo, I assume 'needs review' is waiting for an ARB contributor to look at the app, whereas 'waiting on developer' means the ARB is waiting for the app developer to answer or act on something they've asked him/her to do"
[07:38] <vibhav> ah, thanks PaoloRotolo
[07:39] <PaoloRotolo> vibhav, you're welcome
[07:42] <vibhav> Also, Ive seen some applications on trello with the tag "Has PPA" , from where do I get the application's PPA?
[07:42] <vibhav> taking scopy as an example
[07:42] <vibhav> https://trello.com/card/scopy/4fee2215cee295013c0862ba/45
[07:43] <dholbach> a lot of the app submissions on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/ have a link to the PPA
[07:43] <dholbach> particularly the ones which were submitted in the last 3 weeks :)
[07:44] <PaoloRotolo> vibhav, the Scopy's ppa is in the feedback: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/944/feedback/
[07:45] <vibhav> dholbach: Could you include this link in http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi ?
[07:45] <dholbach> of course
[07:46] <vibhav> thanks
[07:46] <dholbach> it's a bit brain-dead that we keep all the info in 3 different places
[07:46] <dholbach> but that's largely because the submission process is brain-dead as well
[07:46] <vibhav> yup
[07:46] <vibhav> :D
[07:47] <dholbach> I hope that once we got through the majority of the queue, we can have a nice discussion about how we all agree that there should just be one autoritative branch per app and we don't care about submitted tarballs or PPAs, etc :-P
[07:48] <vibhav> heh
[07:50] <vibhav> ooo. we have a xkcd-veiwer too!
[07:54] <vibhav> does dh_python2 require debhelper (>=8) ?
[07:54] <dholbach> most apps have debian/compat set to '8'
[07:55] <dholbach> so in that case you might want to bump the debhelper build-dep to >= 8 anyway
[08:13] <vibhav> hrm, scopy after a tried dh_python2 transitions FTBFS's with http://paste.ubuntu.com/1085827/ ? Any idea why?
[08:15] <dholbach> what kind of transition?
[08:16] <dholbach> vibhav, just for your information - this app was not part of the competition (it was sent in a month ago)
[08:17] <dholbach> so if you want to review it, go ahead - but I think it'd be best if we try to review the contest apps first, as they've been so many
[08:18] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, sorry, I've a empty changelog line in "Dayjournal"... What I should do?
[08:19] <dholbach> just put "Initial release" in there if it generally looks in a good state and you might get it up to vote
[08:19] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, ok, thanks
[08:37] <dpm> ok, final count for the contest - 139 valid submissions
[08:37] <vibhav> :O
[08:37] <vibhav> cool
[08:38] <dpm> that's awesome :)
[08:44] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, so... 139 t-shirt :D?
[08:45] <dpm> and 2 laptops and 3 smartphones :)
[09:45] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, 6 smartphones, whit the community prize ;)
[09:45] <dpm> PaoloRotolo, exactly, well spotted :)
[09:54] <dholbach> I'll have a look at "Dark Secret Software"
[10:04] <dholbach> can somebody please add http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi to the topic and remove the appssprint?
[10:06]  * dholbach has a look at Houston
[10:17]  * dholbach has a look at OrthCal
[10:35] <dholbach> salut didrocks
[10:35] <dholbach> hi OwaisL
[10:35] <didrocks> hey dholbach ;)
[10:35] <OwaisL> dholbach, hey!
[10:36] <OwaisL> dholbach, So I've question about pushing updates to the ppa before showdown is over.
[10:37] <OwaisL> Can I mention a specific version on the submission page to be reviewed and push fixes for users?
[10:37] <dholbach> dpm, ^?
[10:37] <dholbach> OwaisL, I merely help with getting a version included in the Ubuntu extras repository
[10:37] <dholbach> OwaisL, and there we can accept whatever version you're happy with
[10:38] <dholbach> the competition is a bit separate
[10:39] <dpm> OwaisL, for the jury vote we'll be looking at the version that was submitted on the deadline, otherwise you'd have an unfair advantage. Feel free to push to the PPA, though. We've recorded the package version on the deadline and judges will be judging on that one, not on the latest. Does that make sense?
[10:40] <OwaisL> dpm, yep! thanks for the clarification.
[10:40] <dpm> OwaisL, no worries and good luck in the contest! :)
[10:41] <OwaisL> thanks man
[10:42]  * dholbach has a look at Picsaw
[10:43] <dholbach> hum
[10:43] <dholbach> I'm suddenly not sure it's part of the contest
[10:43] <dholbach> dpm, ^?
[10:44] <dpm> dholbach, I thought it was, what makes you think it's not?
[10:44] <dholbach> have a look at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1102/
[10:45] <dpm> dholbach, can't see anything unusual, other than Robert submitted it
[10:45] <dholbach> any indication of "I participate, etc."?
[10:45] <dholbach> :)
[10:46] <dholbach> because I didn't see it
[10:46] <dpm> dholbach, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/site_media/arb/packages/2012/06/entry.txt
[10:46] <dholbach> ouch
[10:46] <dholbach> ok
[10:46] <dholbach> nevermind
[10:46]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[11:22] <dholbach> and another app ready for review
[11:25]  * dholbach has a look at Klout
[11:34]  * dholbach has a look at blubphone
[11:48]  * dholbach has a look at journey
[11:51] <dholbach> yes, another app ready for vote! :)
[11:52] <dholbach> dpm, 'human task' is missing on your list
[11:53] <dholbach> seems the submitter made a mistake and 1) ended up in the commercial list, 2) added the "my ppa is XXXXXXXX" file to the submitted tarball
[11:53] <dpm> dholbach, bummer :(
[11:53] <dpm> I thought I had added it though
[11:53] <dholbach> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1124/
[11:53]  * dpm rechecks
[11:54] <dpm> dholbach, it's on the spreadsheet already
[11:54] <dpm> phew
[11:54] <dholbach> oh, then I must have missed it somehow
[11:55] <dpm> dholbach, it's underneath 'Houston'
[11:55] <dpm> on row 36
[11:55] <dholbach> ok, I'll review it
[11:55] <dpm> cool
[12:08]  * dholbach has a look at ppasc
[12:16] <dholbach> time for a break
[12:18]  * coolbhavi gives dholbach a cup of coffee
[12:23] <dholbach> thanks coolbhavi
[12:23] <coolbhavi> :)
[12:36]  * dholbach has a look at Easy Stopwatch
[12:37]  * coolbhavi looking at ppasc
[12:47] <dholbach> can anyone please help this guy: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1055/feedback/?
[12:47] <dholbach> I have no idea about any of this
[12:48] <dholbach> dpm, what to do about https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1062/feedback/?
[12:49] <coolbhavi> dholbach, do we use dep-5 spec for apps or the latest spec for d/copyright?
[12:49] <dholbach> it seems that it was largely requested
[12:50] <dpm> dholbach, hm a though one. But the app must comply with the app review guidelines to qualify, so we should probably disqualify it :/
[12:50] <coolbhavi> dholbach, hm thanks :)
[12:52] <dholbach> dpm, I'll leave that to somebody else
[12:52] <dpm> dholbach, I can take care of disqualifying it from the ARB feedback
[12:54]  * coolbhavi wonders what does dholbach  eat for lunch.... Superman stuff :)
[12:55] <dholbach> coolbhavi, I didn't have lunch yet and it's raining right now, so I guess I'll hold off for a bit :)
[12:56] <dholbach> coolbhavi, AFAIK the ppasc debian/copyright is how it should be
[12:57]  * dholbach has a look at python-trainer
[12:57] <coolbhavi> dholbach, yes but I got confused looking at some reviews yesterday
[12:57] <coolbhavi> sorry for that
[12:58] <dholbach> no no, it's fine :)
[13:15] <coolbhavi> dholbach, it seems you dint commit tar.gz for picsaw
[13:16] <coolbhavi> s/seems/seems like*
[14:08] <dholbach> coolbhavi, err
[14:10] <dholbach> damn it - I imported it from the ppa
[14:10] <dholbach> let me see what I can do
[14:16] <coolbhavi> dholbach, np I just downloaded it and voted on it
[14:16] <dholbach> coolbhavi, I'll let you know
[14:17] <coolbhavi> sure dholbach
[14:17] <coolbhavi> dpm, I marked you again on one of app submission queries I got...
[14:21] <dpm> thanks coolbhavi, I'm afraid we'll have to disqualify that one. We are trying to be flexible, but 3 days past the deadline is a bit too much...
[14:22] <dholbach> coolbhavi, fixed
[14:23] <dholbach> if you do a   bzr bd -- -S   it should generate a suitable source package for you
[14:27] <dholbach> didrocks, maybe mterry and you can do a review of an app or two too so you can see what needs fixing in quickly :-D
[14:28] <dpm> coolbhavi, replied
[14:30] <didrocks> dpm: I'm really more than busy right now :/
[14:30] <didrocks> dholbach: ^
[14:30]  * didrocks fed up with PS
[14:30]  * dholbach hugs didrocks
[14:31]  * didrocks hugs dholbach back
[14:33] <dholbach> hey mterry
[14:33] <mterry> hi
[14:33] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/PHDShTbnFi is roughly what we're doing right now :)
[14:34] <dholbach> somebody from the ARB, mhall119, paolorotolo or asomething should be able to help if I'm not there
[14:34] <dpm> wendar, I'm going to disqualify 'BooruView' as per the feedback on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1062/feedback/ - do we have explicit documentation on why the content is not suitable? The ARB guidelines point to the CoC, but I don't recall seeing any section on appropriate content in there
[14:42] <mhall119> dholbach: I added to the etherpad what to do about the crashdb.conf
[14:43] <dholbach> mhall119, cool
[14:43] <dholbach> do we need to update something in the arb-lint description?
[14:45] <coolbhavi> thanks dpm
[14:46] <dpm> coolbhavi, the guy seems to be persistent, he's just sent me the same e-mail he originally sent you
[14:46] <mhall119> dholbach: only if it's something that may continue to be a problem
[14:46] <mhall119> if it's a quickly issue that's been or being fixed, then I'd say don't worry about it
[14:46] <dholbach> mhall119, I think I added something about it to the arb-lint already
[14:46] <dholbach> mhall119, and we have some bugs filed for it too
[14:47] <mhall119> I'm going to start adding new cards to the "Needs Review" queue
[14:47] <coolbhavi> dpm, your reply was clear but sorry I shouldnt have marked you in that case
[14:48] <dpm> coolbhavi, no, you did fine, it just seems the guy didn't bother reading my reply
[14:48] <dpm> and I talked to him on IRC a couple of days ago also
[14:48] <dholbach> hey bilal, how are you doing? :)
[14:48] <coolbhavi> hmm
[16:05] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[16:08] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, hi. Thanks for the membership of the app review board contributors group on Launchpad :D
[16:15] <dholbach> PaoloRotolo, now you should be able to make changes in myapps on your own, I think
[16:17] <dholbach> for those of you who are wondering what all the apps in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-app-review-contributors/+archive/ppa/+packages are supposed to be: I put them in there because they wouldn't build (missing libglib2.0-bin build-dep), so the jury for the app contest can install the packages more easily
[16:18] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, no, I can't...
[16:18] <dholbach> really?
[16:18] <dholbach> that's weird
[16:18] <dholbach> maybe you need to log out and log back in again?
[16:18] <dholbach> in myapps
[16:19]  * dholbach has a look at DeskWiki
[16:19] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, oh, it works after log out :D
[16:19] <PaoloRotolo> Thanks again!
[16:19] <dholbach> prego
[16:19] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[16:29]  * dholbach has a look at Tastebook
[16:36] <dholbach> stgraber, does usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/it.robol.tastebook.gschema.xml look like it's acceptable?
[16:39] <stgraber> dholbach: well, the guidelines explicitly allow use of gconf/dconf, so I suppose we have to allow the schemas too for it to make sense... I don't really like the fact that we can't namespace the schemas per package name
[16:39] <stgraber> dholbach: ideally I'd prefer com.ubuntu.extras.<package name>, but that'd require changes to the "upstream" code
[16:45] <dholbach> yes, I understand
[16:45] <dholbach> ok
[16:45] <dholbach> thanks
[17:36]  * dholbach has a look at Dime Calc
[17:37] <dholbach> how are all the reviewers doing? :)
[17:56]  * dholbach has a look at Indicator Stickynotes
[17:57] <dholbach> ah, hm, maybe that's not part of the competition?
[17:57]  * dholbach has a look at Shopping Calculator then
[18:07]  * dholbach has a look at Radiowave
[18:21] <dholbach> alright, time to call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[20:29] <asomething> hmmm... anyone know how often dholbach importer runs? just started reviewing an app and see that it is out of date compared to the ppa which built 22 hours ago
[23:57] <wendar> ajmitch,highvoltage: next time dpm is online, the answer to dpm's question about BooruView is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines, though not clearly worded
[23:58] <ajmitch> wendar: ok, will try & pass it on :)
[23:58] <wendar> ajmitch,highvoltage: for american audiences we could spell it out as "all content is PG rated"
[23:58] <wendar> I don't have a good international way to say that, though
[23:58] <ajmitch> though for booruview, it's a bit of a grey area since the app is a viewer for content that may or may not be ok
[23:59] <wendar> and we can't say "non-offensive" since that's pretty relative
[23:59] <wendar> ajmitch: aye, we talked about it with the last booru viewer that was submitted


[14:44] <scott-work> it appears that upstream has provided a patch for the recently experienced kernel panic:  commit 729a6a3 "libata: set queue DMA alignment to sector size for ATAPI too"
[14:44] <scott-work> i really, really hope this fixes this issue
[20:41] <scott-work> *shrug* but my own experiences belie this hope