[03:28] <Unit193> skellat: Welcome back!
[03:30] <Unit193> dvz-__, dvz-_, dvz-: Getting into cloning?
[03:36] <skellat> Here's a quickie brain teaser: http://identi.ca/attachment/47428627
[03:37] <skellat> Spot the mistake in the sadly rather real street sign in Ashtabula City
[03:37] <skellat> ??
[03:38] <Unit193> 3th? Good one!
[03:39] <skellat> And sadly it is real
[03:46] <skellat> What else has been erupting across the LoCo?
[03:47] <Unit193> Cheri703 went to a drive in with friends and rooted her nook... Not sure if there is anything else :P
[03:55] <skellat> My phone is tethered at the moment.  Time Warner decided to start throttling our link, it seems
[04:28] <Unit193> I didn't think TWC did that...
[04:28] <canthus13> They could be testing it...
[04:30] <Unit193> That's never a good thing...
[04:32] <canthus13> Nope... but now that AT&T is imposing caps, *EVERYONE* is going to start.
[04:33] <Unit193> What are they at?
[04:33] <canthus13> Depends on the speed.
[04:33] <canthus13> I don't know the exact numbers.. I just know they announced it a few weeks ago.
[04:35] <Unit193> 150GB for DSL and 250GB for U-Verse with $10 per 50 over and 2 grace months
[04:36] <canthus13> It's a decent amount, but it'll piss off a lot of people.
[04:36] <canthus13> and with netflix becoming crazy popular, it's not going to be enough for long.
[04:37] <canthus13> I'm talking to someone in NY with TW speed issues right now...
[04:41] <Unit193> Gaa... I need to upgrade Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp1 (07/27/08) micro
[04:47] <Unit193> I never did lookup olsrd vs not olsrd
[06:16] <BiosElement> I feel evil
[06:16] <BiosElement> I've decided to not bother with my identi.ca account anymore
[06:16] <BiosElement> Spambots attack it like nuts and I'm shocked at how simply it would be for them to stop the major ones >.<
[06:16] <BiosElement> Simply not allowing 50 posts in 300 groups in a 5 minute period would help it >.>
[06:18] <Unit193> Good to know you're still alive!
[06:21] <BiosElement> I just got a solid net connection today
[06:24] <Unit193> Congrats!  (Yes it's easy to use, but I can't get php to work with a subpage...) If not, I can always search it...
[06:29] <BiosElement> Yep, though I'll probably just point you back to the manual :P Usually the problem is user error, Cherokee's not the most obvious to use although it beats the pants off apache
[06:32] <Unit193> I'm sure it is user error... I can get /sub to point to another location than the default, but when I type a php script in, it sends it for download. And I know php scripts work in the normal dir (Major user error...)
[06:34] <BiosElement> Sounds like your regex for the php is buggered
[06:36] <Unit193> I'm sure this isn't the best way to do this...
[06:39] <BiosElement> Ok, I'll go through my settings and you can see if anythings odd
[06:39] <BiosElement> doc root is /var/www/bioselement/root, note it doesn't have a trailing slash
[06:39] <BiosElement> First behavior rule is extensions php which handles php. It's important it's first
[06:40] <BiosElement> below that I also have a File Exists filter for static content, if you have that filter 'before' the php filter it's not going to work
[06:41] <Unit193> I have an odd setup...
[06:41] <BiosElement> I might suggest deactivating it and making a new one, sometimes it's just a typo in an odd place that you'll spend hours trying to find
[06:42] <Unit193> The root differs from the /subpage location (This works without php) but the normal location supports php (php is at the top)
[06:42] <BiosElement> It 'should' work fine for subdirectories
[06:42] <BiosElement> UNLESS you have a seperate behavior handler that jumps in before php can do it's thing
[06:43] <Unit193> subdir is in /var/www but the default is in (for example) /var/mnt/www
[06:46] <BiosElement> That' might' have something to do with it
[07:00] <Unit193> Only work if I reverse the dir settings and make /var/www the default...
[07:22] <Unit193> Still up?
[08:24] <BiosElement> Ahh
[08:24] <BiosElement> Off to sleep I go >.<
[08:24] <BiosElement> Unit193: Yeah, that's probably the only way it'll work
[08:24] <BiosElement> I know it had a weird-ish limitation like that.
[08:24] <Unit193> BiosElement: Have a good night!
[08:27] <BiosElement> Thanks, you too!
[08:52] <Unit193> Major netsplit. Computer went down AGAIN! memtest...
[15:04] <Cheri703> http://cartoonbox.slate.com/hottopic/?image=4&topicid=522
[15:10] <canthus13> Cheri703: How true.. what amazes me is that I got *my* job with the crappy credit I have.. they ran a credit check on me.  Hell, they ran a background check on me and wouldn't hire me until I took care of a ticket that I had a warrant for.
[15:11] <Cheri703> yeah
[15:12] <Cheri703> it is stupid, why would my credit make me a better or worse worker? I guess they could try to say it means more or less likely to steal? or be focused on non work things, but...really....what impact does it have on someone's ability to get a job
[15:12] <Cheri703> *DO a job
[15:15] <scooter2_> Hi! I'm going to help a friend with getting her nook to behave with her ubuntu laptop soon. Has anyone had personal experience with this?
[15:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: I can see credit being important in a cash handling job... Although, paycheck garnishment costs the company extra money.
[15:28] <canthus13> scooter2_: paultag and Cheri703 have nooks...
[15:29] <scooter2_> canthus13: Thanks! I'll creep around to ask them around it.
[15:29] <Cheri703> scooter2_: new nook?
[15:31] <Cheri703> canthus13: I guess I can see from a garnishment standpoint, but...still poor =/= stupid/bad worker/whatever and that's what it turns into :/
[15:31] <scooter2_> Cheri703: A friend of mine has a new nook, and would like to use it to read .pdf files and listen to .mp3s. Have you found any quirks making it work well with Ubuntu?
[15:31] <Cheri703> scooter2_: I rooted mine yesterday :D it's kinda nice, though I'll still mainly use it for reading
[15:31] <Cheri703> it does NOT do audio
[15:32] <Cheri703> and you want the newest version of calibre to make it easier to sync things (if you want to keep track of it all, if not, you can just plug it in and use it as mass storage)
[15:32] <Cheri703> if they want calibre, basically copy and paste the text that is under "binary install" http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux
[15:34] <scooter2_> Cheri703: Hmm, that's probably why she hasn't got that to work. Cool, thanks! I'll tell you how it goes!
[15:35] <Cheri703> yep. if she's interested in rooting it, it's not terribly difficult, but there are still a few kinks to work out
[15:37] <Cheri703> I LOVE mine
[15:37] <Cheri703> I've read 11 books and am working on the 12th since getting it
[15:37] <Cheri703> last friday
[15:38] <scooter2_> I think she'll want to play it safe. She's off to London for a little, far away from her brother and me if she runs into any bugs.
[15:39] <scooter2_> Wow, 11? That's awesome! My dad got a kindle, but mostly uses it for textbooks. I think my friend would like to check out ebooks from the library and read them on her nook.
[15:39] <scooter2_> What kind of book have you enjoyed most reading on your nook?
[15:46] <Cheri703> I've been reading a particular series mainly
[15:46] <Cheri703> there are several free ebook sites, they repackage public domain books
[15:46] <Cheri703> hang on, I'll get some links
[15:48] <Cheri703> www.feedbooks.com and www.gutenberg.org are good
[15:48] <Cheri703> feedbooks has some paid books, but LOTS of free ones
[15:55] <Cheri703> scooter2: don't know what you got of what I was last saying, did you get any of my responses to you?
[15:56] <Cheri703> (wasn't sure with the ping timeout)
[16:07] <scooter2> Cheri703: The last thing I saw was "last friday"
[16:08] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[16:08] <scooter2> Sorry that took so long!
[16:08] <Cheri703> I'd said they've primarily been in one series, and there are several free ebook sites www.feedbooks.com and gutenberg.org are good
[16:08] <Cheri703> feedbooks has paid books as well, but a good selection of free ones
[16:09] <Cheri703> gutenberg and feedbooks take public domain works and repackage them, though feedbooks has some original works in there for free as well
[16:10] <scooter2> Cool! I mostly read books old school, but I'll certainly pass the names on to my friend. As well as librivox.org, public domain audiobooks.
[16:11] <scooter2> I read half of Anna Karenina on a palm pilot once--I didn't realize it was so long until I actually saw the book!
[16:16] <Cheri703> yeah, it's a bit weird to just read straight through and then realize just how much you actually read
[16:19] <scooter2> Yup!
[17:57] <Unit193> How many passes does memtest need?
[18:01] <canthus13> Unit193: If it doesn't fail in 2 or three passes, it's not likely to.
[18:02] <canthus13> Does the machine have a built-in video chipset?
[18:03] <Unit193> It's a small form computer
[18:04] <canthus13> Check the video heat sink.
[18:05] <Unit193> That would kill network too? (How exactly would I check?)
[18:07] <Unit193> Pass 5, test 7
[18:08] <canthus13> It could kill it for sure, especially if the chipset is integrated into the northbridge. (southbridge?)
[18:08] <canthus13> I'd make sure there's no dust, possibly remove the sink and redo the thermal conductor.
[18:09] <canthus13> The other possibility is that the PSU is going out.
[18:09] <canthus13> Voltage fluctuations will cause the system to crash.
[18:13] <Unit193> Is there an easy way to test? (I'll see if I can pickup another PSU)
[18:20] <Unit193> I have blown it out twice so I don't think it's dust
[18:31] <canthus13> A PSU tester. :)
[18:31] <canthus13> And if it's a small form-factor, it might have a non-standard PSU...
[18:32] <Unit193> I'm thinking video... And it's something that can be changed...
[18:32] <Unit193> PSU isn't normal. The video had a (moving/odd/) line down the side...
[18:35] <canthus13> Could be.. try a different card and disble onboard video in bios.
[18:36] <Unit193> I don't think I have anything that can go in a small form-factor
[18:45] <Unit193> If I can't get this to work, I am going to have to use Vista half the time... :( (Maybe I can find something to replace it?)
[18:51] <canthus13> Hmm...
[23:33] <gilbert> BiosElement: ping.  there's an issue with your vote.  its signed with key 8b9e357d, but launchpad says your key is 9cf898dd
[23:33] <BiosElement> gilbert: I'll update LP, that's an outdated key
[23:33] <gilbert> ok, thanks :)
[23:40] <gilbert> canthus13: same problem.  your launchpad key is e4f47252, but your voting key is 5C0BCA1E
[23:41] <BiosElement> Shows how much we use launchpad >.>
[23:41] <gilbert> true ;)
[23:41] <gilbert> well, really once you have a key you should really never need a new one
[23:41] <gilbert> unless its been compromised
[23:42] <gilbert> (or i guess more likely if you've forgotten the passphrase)
[23:43] <BiosElement> Hah, or a faulty HD that I enjoyed busting up >.>
[23:45]  * BiosElement has about had it with identica
[23:46] <canthus13> gilbert: Meh. forgot how to update that key... and I can't revoke the old one. :(
[23:46] <gilbert> it should just be something like gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key <key>
[23:53] <canthus13> Bah. How do I decrypt the freaking mesasge with gmail?
[23:54] <BiosElement> Copy/Paste is your friend sadly
[23:55] <canthus13> Yeah, but into what? I'm assuming I dump it into a file, but how do I decrypt said file?
[23:55] <gilbert> gpg --decrypt file
[23:56] <canthus13> Ah. cool.
[23:56] <gilbert> easy enough ;)
[23:57] <BiosElement> gilbert: Updated LP btw
[23:57] <canthus13> gilbert: All fixed.
[23:57] <gilbert> ok, great.  thanks guys
[23:57] <canthus13> no prob.
[23:59] <BiosElement> prob, but no major prob. :P


[00:12] <Putti> ok, I have time :)
[15:09] <smoser> powersj, https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327130
[15:10] <powersj> smoser: yep
[15:10] <smoser> "with the upgrade to 2.15"
[15:10] <smoser> what upgrade to 2.15 ?
[15:10] <powersj> fixes our pylxd issue with lxd >= 2.15
[15:10] <smoser> so i can run this on artful again ?
[15:11] <powersj> yes
[15:12] <smoser> see updated commit message
[15:12] <smoser> what do you think?
[15:12] <smoser> the versions are too close and get confusing (i was confused 2.15 -> 2.2.3 -> 2.2.4)
[15:12] <smoser> ie, pylxd versions are close to lxd versions and thus confused smoser's poor little brain
[15:13] <smoser> also a question on https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/326951
[15:29] <Putti> smoser, are you able to see what is the status of my canonical contributor agreement? Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~j.kylmala
[15:53] <smoser> Putti,
[15:53] <smoser> if you've signed, then eventually you'll be put into the group
[15:53] <smoser>  https://launchpad.net/%7Econtributor-agreement-canonical/+members
[15:53] <smoser> and you will show up there
[15:53] <smoser> however, the process is manual.  you sign, it goes to someone, they read, add you to the group
[15:53] <smoser> so there is a lag of a couple days i think normally.
[15:53] <smoser> what i do is
[15:53] <Putti> I did it like two weeks ago, and have seen new members being added in that time, so I wonder if it has lost somewhere?
[15:53] <smoser> a.) look at that group
[15:54] <smoser> b.) ask the person
[15:54] <smoser> if you *say* you've signed it, then i
[15:54] <smoser> i'm willing to accept it and assume that you'll appear in the group eventually
[15:54] <Putti> I send the group admins also message via the launchpad but no answer
[15:54] <smoser> because if you're willing to lie to me, then you would just as well have filled the thing out and lied there.
[15:55] <smoser> i'll ping though and see if i can't find a response for you.
[15:55] <smoser> was there a merge proposal you wanted me to look at ?
[15:55] <Putti> smoser, thanks
[15:55] <Putti> I send some patches, but I guess I should create a branch? :D
[15:55] <Putti> I have to look into how that is done.
[15:58] <smoser> Putti, yes.
[15:58] <smoser> the HACKING.rst should explain. if you have questions, please feel free to ask.
[15:58] <smoser> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html
[15:59]  * niluje pokes smoser
[15:59] <smoser> niluje, believe it or not i do have a tab open
[16:00] <niluje> ahah
[16:00] <niluje> smoser: if you're willing to lie to me, then you would just as well....
[16:00] <niluje> tell me you have the tab open
[16:00] <niluje> :D
[16:01] <niluje> ok joke, no rush :)
[16:02] <smoser> :)
[16:02] <smoser> thats right.
[16:03] <smoser> niluje, so questions here ?
[16:03] <smoser> err..i 'll review in linel there.
[16:05] <niluje> smoser: I actually have to go in a few minutes
[16:05] <niluje> but if you have some time here I'm free tomorrow to answer your questions here if you prefer
[16:06] <niluje> -here
[16:10] <smoser> niluje, i'll reviw
[16:10] <smoser> in the merge propsoal
[16:10] <smoser> thanks for patience
[16:10] <niluje> ok
[16:10] <niluje> I hope it'll be ok this time :-)
[16:10] <niluje> see you tomorrow, thanks again
[16:11] <smoser> hm..
[16:12] <smoser> you went through requests.packagse.urllib3.connection
[16:12] <smoser> to get your HTTPConnection
[16:12] <smoser> i wonder if that is intentionally hidden.
[18:35] <blackboxsw> :q
[18:35] <blackboxsw> oops


[17:05] <dholbach> hiya
[17:05] <elfy> hi - is there any reason why meeting bot is missing from -meeting
[17:05] <dholbach> does anyone know if the meeting bot is up and running?
[17:05] <elfy> ha
[17:05] <elfy> too slow there :p
[17:40] <tsimpson> AlanBell: the join command for meetingology is apparently being truncated rather than split up into multiple message, this means it's missing from a bunch of channels
[23:29] <thomi> Hi - could I please get an Ubuntu cloak? https://launchpad.net/~thomir is me
[23:37] <IdleOne> Pici: ^
[23:37] <IdleOne> thomi: Just sit tight and Pici or hggdh will get to it ASAP
[23:41] <thomi> ta


[00:00] <dazdaryl> I'm going with the 14.04 LTS
[00:00] <mrkramps> swap is a bit more tricky … with 24GB RAM and no suspend to disk you could even dare to run linux w/o swap at all
[00:00] <dazdaryl> yeah i just read that mrkramps
[00:00] <mrkramps> and if it does not work w/o swap you may add a swap file at any time
[00:01] <dazdaryl> ~ i really liked arch
[00:01] <dazdaryl> but after not using it for 8months
[00:01] <dazdaryl> go back and the rolling release is so out of date that it wont work
[00:01] <knome> Enkidu_ak, i don't know for fact, but you can do this and that with it
[00:02] <dazdaryl> are you a gamer mrkramps?
[00:02] <mrkramps> dazdaryl, no really
[00:02] <mrkramps> *not
[00:02] <knome> dazdaryl, mrkramps: we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. welcome! :)
[00:02] <mrkramps> knome, good to know, thx
[00:03] <dazdaryl> ok
[00:05] <dazdaryl> well the thing I liked about arch was that it always had the latest of everything, so i suppose on xubuntu i will have to compile everything myself if I want the latest?
[00:05] <dazdaryl> because I need the latest versions of blender, gimp and krita
[00:06] <mrkramps> blender is not an issue, because it comes in a pre-compiled archive
[00:06] <dazdaryl> true
[00:06] <mrkramps> gimp and krita latest needs manual compilation or - if available - a PPA
[00:07] <dazdaryl> yeah, is there a way to automate that from GIT?
[00:07] <dazdaryl> probably could just write my own script to do that
[00:08] <mrkramps> yes, script will do the trick
[00:11] <mrkramps> cronjob may be helpful as well
[00:11] <dazdaryl> ahhhh FANTASTIC
[00:12] <dazdaryl> every thing went well no problem
[00:12] <dazdaryl> just overwrite my old manjaro
[00:12] <dazdaryl> all good
[00:12] <dazdaryl> windows and xubuntu both good
[00:12] <mrkramps> glad to hear that
[00:13] <dazdaryl> what I really look forward to is using a decent search function again
[00:13] <dazdaryl> and multiple tabs in the file browser
[00:13] <dazdaryl> a real terminal :)
[00:15] <dazdaryl> do you usually use aptitude or do you generally compile things yourself?
[00:16] <mrkramps> no aptitude, apt-get is the default tool, and I do both
[00:16] <knome> dazdaryl, i kind of pointed you to the offtopic channel because that's where the non-support discussions should generally fall into
[00:18] <dazdaryl> sorry knome, I knew games was off-topic but i thought discussions about package management and apt-get was on-topic
[00:18] <knome> dazdaryl, i guess it's a fine line, but general discussion that is not a support question is always welcome in offtopic
[00:33] <dazdaryl> ok so I'm trying to setup my "start menu"
[00:34] <dazdaryl> or my whisker menu to be specific
[00:34] <dazdaryl> and i want to change the terminal emulator link to xfce4-terminal
[00:34] <mrkramps> it should be xfce4-terminal by default
[00:35] <dazdaryl> nah it wasn't but i got it
[00:36] <mrkramps> you can set default terminal in Preferred Applications → Utilities
[00:37] <mrkramps> or global with: sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
[00:37] <dazdaryl> yeah i got that one thanks kramps
[00:37] <dazdaryl> now i want to make it drop down from the top
[00:37] <dazdaryl> i've done it before
[00:37] <dazdaryl> like guake does
[00:40] <mrkramps> don't think it can be done with xfce4-terminal … just install guake, tilda or yakuake
[00:41] <mrkramps> ah, sorry … i am wrong
[00:42] <Unit193> --drop-down
[00:49] <dazdaryl> cool thx
[01:00] <dazdaryl> is there a way to check the version of something with apt-cache PACKAGE? or apt-get
[01:01] <dazdaryl> oh sorry nvm
[01:01] <dazdaryl> xubuntu allready ahs
[01:01] <dazdaryl> has
[01:01] <holstein> synaptic is a handy GUI package manager..
[01:01] <holstein> !info synaptic
[01:10] <dazdaryl> where do i change the color of window borders?
[01:10] <holstein> dazdaryl: see if the theme manager does what you are looking for
[01:24] <Unit193> Window Manager has them.
[01:33] <dazdaryl>   hmm my drop-down terminal lets me move it
[01:33] <dazdaryl> and i dont want that
[01:33] <dazdaryl> as if it was anormal window
[01:34] <Trinity> I've been trying to log in to my desktop computer but xubuntu is freezing at the loading portion. the loading circle isn't moving. Keyboard numlock does work
[01:34] <Trinity> I tried rebooting from a live usb drive but same issue
[01:34] <Trinity> any help?
[01:34] <dazdaryl> well i can just turn off show menubar then
[01:35] <dazdaryl> sounds pretty strange trinity
[01:35] <holstein> Trinity: try booting the older kernel in the grub menu
[01:38] <Trinity> holstein, same issue
[01:38] <Trinity> is my ssd fried?
[01:38] <holstein> Trinity: i dont know.. if it is, you wont "fix" it with software..
[01:38] <Trinity> holstein, any way to check?
[01:38] <Unit193> !xhangs
[01:39] <holstein> Trinity: if you think it is, i would test that.. i would load a live iso and run a test.. otherwise, i try and get into the recovery kernel
[01:39] <Unit193> Trinity: Check syslog and dmesg?
[01:39] <Trinity> holstein, i can't run a live iso, that hangs too
[01:39] <holstein> Trinity: then, it sounds like you have bad hardware
[01:39] <holstein> maybe bad ram.. etc..
[01:40] <Trinity> tested ram
[01:40] <Unit193> That doesn't sound good.
[01:40] <holstein> Trinity: how? what boots for you to test ram?
[01:40] <holstein> anyways, i would not try and fix xubuntu if *nothing* boots.. i would look at my hardware
[01:40] <Trinity> i was running a unstable data scraper before this happened
[01:40] <Trinity> holstein, if i press esc before boot it direts me to grub
[01:41] <Trinity> which I can go to shell
[01:41] <Trinity> through recovery
[01:41] <holstein> Trinity: cool.. and running the rm command above from there? what happens?
[01:41] <holstein> looking at the logs from there that Unit193 suggested..
[01:50] <Trinity> holstein, i just copied the syslog over
[01:50] <Trinity> and the new syslog doesnt log that error
[01:50] <holstein> Trinity: over what?
[01:50] <Trinity> backed it up*
[01:50] <Trinity> te new syslog only shows me going to recovery shell
[01:50] <holstein> cool.. if its my machine, i get *something* booting on it
[01:51] <holstein> you say, live iso's dont boot, i want to know why.. and i want to see one running on it..
[01:51] <Trinity> ?
[01:51] <Trinity> ok ill try
[01:51] <holstein> 21:38 < ubottu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[01:51] <holstein> im assuming you already tried that ^
[01:51] <DazPetty> so it it called zoo-buntu or shoe-buntu?
[01:51] <Trinity> yea
[01:52] <DazPetty> because I say shoe for xubuntu
[01:52] <holstein> say what you like.. most say "zubuntu", or "ex-ubuntu".. its basically xfce + ubuntu.. if you feel "shoe" somehow fits that, and you want to say it, im sure you wont get a fine in the mail..
[01:53] <Unit193> Technically 'zoo-buntu' is correct.
[01:53] <holstein> i say zubuntu
[01:57] <Trinity> holstein, not sure if it helps but heres something i found rsyslogd-2039: could no open output pipe '/dev/xconsole': No such file or directory
[01:58] <holstein> Trinity: it really wouldnt help me, *if* i cant boot a live iso.. if its a "known good" live iso, that i *know* boots on my hardware, and my hardware supports, then, i konw its a problem with the hardware, not the installed OS
[01:59] <Trinity> holstein, will a live usb boot if i remove all hdd drives?
[01:59] <DazPetty> i suppose I don't need to get a ppa for steam because it will update automaticle
[02:00] <holstein> Trinity: thats the question.. and why would you need to remove the hard drives? i mean, you booted *some* live environment to install the os, correct? the hard drive would have been in then
[02:00] <holstein> !steam
[02:00] <holstein> DazPetty: i thought steam was in the partner repo.. but, i have added the .deb from steam, in the past
[02:10] <DazPetty> far out it's the first day and it looks like its going to break fml
[02:10] <DazPetty> all i want is steam
[02:10] <DazPetty> and updated versions of software
[02:10] <DazPetty> having this prob
[02:10] <DazPetty> http://askubuntu.com/questions/402066/steam-needs-libgl1-mesa-drii386-libgl1-mesa-glxi386
[02:10] <holstein> DazPetty: steam supports ubuntu
[02:11] <holstein> anyways, you can add whatever PPA they suggest.. thats what i did..
[02:11] <DazPetty> yeah this turd says i need to kill the ppas cos they are not "multiarch"
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: that "question" is about 13.10
[02:11] <DazPetty> well it's the same problem
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: is it?
[02:11] <holstein> DazPetty: what problem are you having?
[02:13] <DazPetty> farrrk
[02:14] <DazPetty> that just destroyed everything
[02:14] <holstein> DazPetty: what just destroyed what?
[02:14] <holstein> !info steam
[02:14] <DazPetty> well krita which i just installed is gone
[02:14] <DazPetty> the software center is gone fsr
[02:14] <holstein> DazPetty: it should be as simple as "sudo apt-get install steam", or use the package manager of your choise
[02:15] <holstein> choice*
[02:16] <holstein> i suggested synaptic earlier, as a GUI package manager.. maybe you missed that..
[02:16] <holstein> i think its handier than the software center at finding versions.. etc
[02:22] <DazDaryl> wpw
[02:22] <DazDaryl> wow
[02:23] <DazDaryl> not even a day in and it just breaks
[02:23] <DazDaryl> probably because I tried upgrading the XFCE version from a ppa
[02:23] <holstein> !ppa
[02:23] <holstein> DazDaryl: if you dont need a ppa, and you dont, dont use one
[02:23] <DazDaryl> and that just caused everything to fall like a pack of cards
[02:23] <DazDaryl> I just thought it would be nice to have the newer version
[02:23] <holstein> DazDaryl: if you want a "stable" os, use the supported packages, until you find you need something a ppa facilitates..
[02:24] <DazDaryl> allthough I wont know that that was the problem untill I reinstall everything
[02:24] <DazDaryl> yeah well i wont be playing games with the desktop environment
[02:24] <DazDaryl> what is xfce/kde called? the type of program?
[02:25] <DazDaryl> anyway its changing that desktop/window manager that's killed my every other time
[02:25] <holstein> you said it was the desktop environment
[02:25] <holstein> DazDaryl: are you coming from windows?
[02:25] <DazDaryl> yeah mostly
[02:26] <DazDaryl> I've used ubuntu for about 6 months a year ago and arch for another 9 months or so
[02:26] <holstein> if so try using xubuntu as you did windows.. think about how long you used it "as-is".. and how long til you installed *any* "beta" software,... for example, never adding any experiemental GUI packages
[02:26] <holstein> think about getting aquanted with it, and plan for failure
[02:26] <holstein> test with the live iso's as much as possible.. run a version in VM that you "break" first..
[02:27] <DazDaryl> well i guess the ppa are not as well supported as the official repositories on arch are
[02:27] <holstein> DazDaryl: no.. they are, as stated above *not* supported in any way
[02:27] <holstein> they are unofficial, and you click through a warning to install them
[02:29] <DazDaryl> well in some cases like krita I NEED to use the ppda
[02:30] <DazDaryl> *ppa
[02:30] <DazDaryl> I cant do graphics and game dev on shitty old software
[02:30] <DazDaryl> which was why I always hated ubuntu
[02:30] <holstein> DazDaryl: sure, but, you are always welcome to maintain your own PPA, or build what you need from scratch
[02:30] <holstein> !language
[02:31] <holstein> if you need the "latest", you may need a rolling release.. which has its own pros and cons
[03:33] <benjamin__> i love to use xubuntu.
[03:44] <DazDaryl> hmm
[03:44] <DazDaryl> got it going again
[08:03] <DazPetty> is there a way to make a specific window imune to alt+click drag?
[08:37] <ochosi> DazPetty: nope
[08:56] <Munto_> hello guys
[08:56] <slickymasterWork> !hi
[08:57] <Munto_> since my last upgrade to xubuntu 14.10, each time I restart my computer all the icons of the desktop are automatically reorganized
[08:57] <Munto_> did you encounter this behaviour ?
[08:58] <Munto_> (I like to regroup some kind of files on my desktop)
[08:58] <slickymasterWork> I haven't Munto_, but did you already saw this -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/558391/xubuntu-14-10-desktop-icons-disordered
[08:59] <Munto_> oh, it's not me but it looks like the same issue
[08:59] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[08:59] <Munto_> unfortunately there is no answer :(
[09:05] <Munto_> I found a beginning of help
[09:05] <Munto_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2232021&s=5779297ecc0db0f16fcabd2e003f7256&p=13100157#post13100157
[09:07] <slickymasterWork> great Munto_
[09:07] <slickymasterWork> good luck
[09:07] <DazPetty> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:07] <DazPetty> wtf is this all about
[09:08] <slickymasterWork> DazPetty, please be careful with the language used in the channel
[09:15] <DazPetty> f is for fruit
[09:15] <DazPetty> so does anyone know about broken packages?
[09:17] <knome> DazPetty, you have been noticed about the language once before, so please clean your mouth
[09:17] <knome> DazPetty, i've sent you some links in PM via ubottu for reading.
[09:20] <DazPetty> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:41] <Munto_> thanks for your help
[09:41] <Munto_> bb
[11:34] <knob> Good morning everyone!  o/
[12:24] <pjotter> I have a peculiar bug in Xubuntu. When you click on a panel-item, most of them will have a popupwindow. This window is aligned to the edge of the panel. But in some applications, when the information in the popup is updated and the menu gets longer or shorter, the popup is not aligned to the panel anymore. Sometimes this causes the popupmenu to overlap the panel and sometimes this causes the popup to hover above the panel.
[12:24] <pjotter> Does anybody know of this is an issue with xfce or with the application in question?
[12:26] <pjotter> I found this to be the case with the network-icon. So for example, when the list of wifi connections is updated, the popup is misaligned.
[12:31] <pjotter> back again
[12:39] <pjotter> Xfce misaligns resized menu's on the panel.
[14:51] <gjgarza> hi, after installing xubuntu besides Win7 I can't start Win7 anymore. Is there anything I can try besides trying to recover with the Win7 boot cd?
[15:28] <LGFDGFS> Hi,
[15:28] <LGFDGFS> Spanish? Anyone?
[15:29] <drc> !es| LGFDGFS
[18:43] <silidan> hi, when i open the filemanager in xubuntu i can see my harddrives listed under devices, clicking on them mounts them and opens them, so far so good, BUT the permissions on the files and folders set for ntfs drives arent correct (i need executable bit set) where is the configuration file/ option hidden for this feature?
[19:00] <brainvvash> silidan, maybe this bug 1153781
[19:03] <m3n3chm0> dear all guys, i'm using firefox 37 and Xubuntu 14.04 since this FF version when i receive a message from whatsapp web Firefox crash and closed :(
[19:21] <crank_xubuntu> er der hul igennem?
[19:22] <bekks> !dk | crank_xubuntu
[19:23] <crank_xubuntu> tnx bekks
[19:28] <crank_xubuntu> other channels relevant?
[23:51] <DazPetty> can i just create conf files in the xorg.conf.d directory and they will automaticly load?
[23:52] <mrkramps> DazPetty, if syntax is correct you only have to take care of the numbering
[23:52] <DazPetty> ok, so it has 10-evdev and 11 something there
[23:53] <mrkramps> the number prefix depends on when you want this config to be loaded
[23:53] <DazPetty> ah
[23:53] <mrkramps> so 10 is first then 11
[23:54] <DazPetty> but otherwise they all run together, as if this was the old xorg.conf file itself
[23:54] <DazPetty> or it on concatonates them?
[23:55] <mrkramps> yes, the configs in xorg.conf.d are pretty much like the old xorg.conf
[23:57] <DazPetty> hmm I have a razor keyboard and mouse
[23:57] <DazPetty> I'm trying to get it to work
[23:57] <DazPetty> ~ well it works most of the time
[23:57] <DazPetty> but sometimes I start my comp and have no keyboard or mouse
[23:58] <DazPetty> it picks it up as a "Razer USA, Ltd" in lsusb


[00:03] <fta> damn, we need to patch configure and the build system for system libfishsound libogg liboggplay liboggplay_audio liboggz libtheora libvorbis
[00:03] <Jazzva> what's wrong?
[00:04] <fta> for now, it's built as in-source .a libs
[00:04] <fta> that's for the new HTML5 <video> tag
[00:05] <Jazzva> ah
[00:05] <fta> the end of plugins
[00:05] <Jazzva> html5 is out? :)
[00:05] <Jazzva> (I'm uninformed)
[00:05] <fta> still a draft iirc
[00:05] <Jazzva> mhm
[00:06] <Jazzva> hmm... I'll push the addition of thunderbird in xpi.templates... i suppose it's ok
[00:10] <fta> i hope that libasound thing in ff3.1 will not create even more pulse-audio problems
[00:11] <Jazzva> hmm... i never found out why we started using pulse audio?
[00:11] <Jazzva> Today I fixed my friend's installation by changing from pulseaudio to alsa for now...
[00:14] <fta> start the p-a applet and you will start to see the benefits
[00:15] <Jazzva> p-a applet?
[00:15] <Jazzva> hmm... let's see
[00:16] <Jazzva> btw, teatime still doesn't work?
[00:16] <fta> yep, still broken
[00:16] <Jazzva> hmm... I'll see the changes and try to figure out why it's broken :)
[00:17] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/pa-Volume-Control.png
[00:18] <Jazzva> oooh... pretty
[00:18] <fta> per app volume control, and it's possible to play everything at the same time
[00:18] <Jazzva> cool ;)
[00:18] <Jazzva> :)
[00:18] <Jazzva> it's in padevchooser?
[00:19] <Jazzva> and pavucontrol?
[00:19] <fta> i have both + pavumeter
[00:20] <fta> i don't remember which does what
[00:20] <Jazzva> installing them ;)
[00:23] <fta> +LDFLAGS=$(shell echo $$LDFLAGS | sed -e 's/-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions//')
[00:23] <fta> +export LDFLAGS
[00:23] <fta> asac, ^^ are you sure this works ?
[00:24] <fta> asac, if LDFLAGS comes from outside, you have to override it
[00:24] <fta> but i thought this -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions was no longer a problem ?
[00:34] <Jazzva> ok
[00:34] <Jazzva> let's see if PA works
[00:34] <Jazzva> brb
[00:40] <Jazzva> seems it works :)
[00:44] <fta> good
[00:52] <Jazzva> though it's not working with skype
[00:52] <Jazzva> eats up all cpu
[00:53] <fta> ask crimson
[00:54] <Jazzva> thanks, i will
[00:57] <Jazzva> yay... i make it work on left channel. :)
[00:57] <Jazzva> s/make/made/
[04:38] <gnomefreak> anyone awake
[06:05] <gnomefreak> anyone up yet?
[08:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[08:33] <asac> fta: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448020
[08:33] <asac> can we reproduce that when backing out the patch from configure.in on 3.1?
[09:13] <XioNoX> Hi!
[09:16] <XioNoX> asac ?
[09:27] <asac> XioNoX: hi
[09:27]  * asac eating something
[09:30] <XioNoX> asac, What is the planing for today ? :D
[09:39] <asac> XioNoX: what is working
[09:39] <asac> ?
[09:39] <asac> does installPlugins work even?
[09:39] <XioNoX> everything :D
[09:59] <XioNoX> asac, maybe you need to see the whole code ?
[10:02] <asac> XioNoX: can you push it somewhere?
[10:02] <asac> e.g. the hg branch?
[10:05] <XioNoX> where ? and how ?
[10:07] <asac> XioNoX: not sure
[10:07] <XioNoX> ?
[10:09] <asac> XioNoX: ask gandalf if they can give you webspace?
[10:09] <asac> you probably need something with ssh
[10:09] <asac> access
[10:09] <XioNoX> gandalf isn't here now
[10:10] <asac> XioNoX: then put a diff somewhere
[10:10] <asac> ;)
[10:10] <XioNoX> i don't know when he arrive
[10:10] <XioNoX> somewere ?
[10:10] <XioNoX> :D
[10:10] <XioNoX> on pastebin ? :D
[10:11] <asac> XioNoX: better open a bug
[10:11] <asac> and attach it there
[10:11] <asac> either inlaunchpad or in bugzilla
[10:11] <asac> makes sense?
[10:13] <XioNoX> how do i do a diff ?
[10:15] <zbraniecki> hi
[10:16] <asac> hi gnomefreak
[10:16] <asac> gandi: ;)
[10:16] <gandi> hi
[10:16] <asac> we are currently trying to get XioNoX's code somewhere
[10:17] <asac> he doesnt have a place to push hg,so i said he should attach a diff to a bug
[10:18] <gandi> asac: is that for upstream?
[10:18] <asac> gandi: thats the idea .... there are still things that need to be improved, but yes.
[10:18] <gandi> ok
[10:18] <gandi> what's the bug id?
[10:19] <asac> there isnt one yet ;)
[10:19] <gandi> asac: it would be best if you could file it
[10:19] <gandi> with desc
[10:19] <gandi> and Xionox could take it
[10:19] <asac> ok
[10:20] <gandi> I'd CC people from other distros and linux team to let them know we're working on it and see what's their opinion
[10:21] <XioNoX> maybe you could see it before calling all the others mozilla team :D
[10:21] <gandi> XioNoX: sure
[10:23] <XioNoX> so first creating a bug on launchpad or buzilla ?
[10:23] <gandi> bugzilla
[10:23] <gandi> if it's going to be upstreamed
[10:23] <gandi> let's work on it on mozilla bugzilla
[10:24] <gandi> if we'll decide that the design works for ubuntu but not for others, we'll move it to launchpad
[10:24] <gandi> asac: sounds good?
[10:27] <asac> 449188
[10:27] <asac> mozilla bug 449188
[10:28] <XioNoX> oh thx, you did it
[10:33] <asac> XioNoX: attach your patch with a name "PoC patch (v1)" ;)
[10:33] <asac> and maybe attach a screenshot as well "PoC screen (v1)"
[10:33] <XioNoX> okay!
[10:33] <asac> so people can take a look without applying/spinning the build
[10:34] <asac> XioNoX: also "take the bug " ;) ... so its assigned to you
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all!
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> jdstrand, thanks for fixing epiphany - i'm about to re-try my livecd build :)
[10:35] <gandi> asac: we use WIP (Work in Progress)
[10:35] <gandi> yea, take this bug XioNoX
[10:36] <asac> Kamping_Kaiser: interesting that you dont track -updates
[10:36] <asac> with -updates you wouldnt have seen this issue
[10:37] <XioNoX> when i clic on "Nobody; OK to take it and work on it"
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> asac, yeah. i'm not entirely sure why we dont.
[10:37] <asac> (which basically means that you were still on b5, as we updated ffox to 3.0 final in -updates)
[10:37] <XioNoX> it just open my gmail account with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> we (still) remove firefox, so we didnt notice [i've been working on other bits recently]
[10:38] <asac> XioNoX: say: reassign bug to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:38] <asac> and then "accept bug"
[10:39] <XioNoX> i don't see any  reassign bug to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:40] <asac> XioNoX: you have to log in?
[10:40] <gandi> he's logged in
[10:40] <XioNoX> i'm logged in
[10:40] <asac> not sure then
[10:40] <asac> you should be able to take the bug
[10:40] <gandi> XioNoX: below comment box
[10:40] <gandi> leave as NEW
[10:40] <gandi> Accept bug
[10:40] <gandi> etc.
[10:40] <gandi> Reassign bug to:
[10:40] <gandi> do you see that?
[10:41] <XioNoX> nop
[10:41] <XioNoX> and firefox search neither
[10:41] <asac> XioNoX: he?
[10:41] <asac> firefox search?
[10:41] <asac> XioNoX: maybe you have a french interface`
[10:41] <gandi> what do you see below Additional Comments
[10:41] <asac> ?
[10:41] <XioNoX> ctrl + f
[10:41] <gandi> ?
[10:41] <gandi> box?
[10:42] <XioNoX> no english
[10:42] <gandi> XioNoX: what do you see below "Additional Comments:" box?
[10:42] <asac> above the "commit" button you surely have something
[10:43] <XioNoX> First  Last  Prev  Next     No search results available
[10:43] <XioNoX> http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturebug449188improveoj4.png
[10:43] <gandi> ah, ok
[10:43] <XioNoX> se by yourself
[10:43] <asac> ouch
[10:43] <gandi> you have a quite fresh account
[10:43] <asac> XioNoX: whats your email?
[10:43] <XioNoX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:44] <asac> XioNoX: reassigned to you
[10:44] <asac> can you accept the bug now?
[10:44] <asac> ok now
[10:44] <asac> mid air-collision
[10:44] <asac> ;)
[10:45] <asac> ok assigned bug to you and all such
[10:45] <asac> interesting that one cannot take a bug with a fresh account
[10:45] <asac> [reed]: ^^ ?
[10:45] <armin76> bumb
[10:45] <XioNoX> done :D
[10:46] <gandi> asac: canconfirm has to be set
[10:46] <gandi> flag
[10:46] <armin76> asac: don't you agree? :D
[10:46] <asac> gandi: canconfirm needs to be set in order to take a bug?
[10:46] <asac> thats nonsense
[10:46] <asac> [reed]: ^^
[10:46] <asac> [reed]: fix! ;)
[10:46] <gandi> maybe some other flag?
[10:47] <armin76> canedit
[10:47] <asac> not sure. lets wait for [reed] ... maybe its just a bug
[10:47] <XioNoX> bugzilla is bad !
[10:47] <asac> armin76: canedit?
[10:47] <armin76> or editbugs, i don't remember how it was called
[10:48] <XioNoX> it even show our email address for the spam sobots
[10:48] <asac> XioNoX: attach a screenshot please
[10:48] <armin76> asac: its his own bug?
[10:48] <asac> XioNoX: in free software you cannot prevent spam
[10:48] <XioNoX> yep, 2 min
[10:48] <asac> ;)
[10:48] <XioNoX> launchpad managed this better, nop ?
[10:48] <asac> armin76: i finally reassigned the bug to him
[10:49] <asac> XioNoX: yes. only when logged in you can see the email
[10:49] <armin76> asac: if the bug isn't his, he can't touch it
[10:49] <asac> not sure if we would recognize an authenticated bug though :)
[10:49] <gandi> XioNoX: bugzilla is way more powerfull in managing huge projects than launchpad
[10:49] <asac> armin76: hmm. ok.
[10:49] <armin76> unless he has editbugs flag
[10:49] <XioNoX> it should be the same for bugzilla
[10:49] <gandi> in terms of ticketing, of course
[10:50] <asac> gandi: ticketing?
[10:50] <armin76> asac: imagine i take all your bugs and reassign them to ubottu :D
[10:50] <gandi> launchpad has much richer feature set
[10:50] <asac> gandi: for me bugzilla has better search features
[10:50] <gandi> asac: "bugs" in bugzilla nomenclature
[10:50] <asac> launchpad has better cross-project integration and code branch support
[10:50] <asac> and debian debbugs has version tracking
[10:50] <asac> all together would be perfect :)
[10:51] <gandi> I like the chaining feature in bugzilla
[10:51] <asac> chaining?
[10:51] <gandi> it allows us to pretty easily manage project with bugzilla in the very center
[10:51] <gandi> dependencies
[10:51] <asac> flags feature of bugzilla is also nice
[10:51] <gandi> with flags
[10:51] <gandi> with meta bugs
[10:51] <asac> gandi: yeah.
[10:51] <asac> depends/blocks is good too
[10:51] <asac> but debbugs has it too
[10:52] <asac> but right. that feature belongs to the set of features required for the "perfect" bugtracker
[10:52] <gandi> XioNoX: do not switch back to NEW if you're working on it
[10:53] <gandi> ASSIGNED is the right status
[10:53] <asac> oh its NEW again?
[10:53] <XioNoX> ?
[10:53] <asac> pushing it back again
[10:54] <asac> done
[10:54] <gandi> XioNoX: you backe out the change made by asac
[10:54] <gandi> Arzhel Younsi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>changed:
[10:54] <gandi>            What    |Removed                     |Added
[10:54] <gandi> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[10:54] <gandi>              Status|ASSIGNED                    |NEW
[10:54] <asac> XioNoX: most likely you didnt properly reload and the form element was "New" when committing your changes
[10:54] <asac> one of the annoying things of bugzilla ;)
[10:55] <XioNoX> Status:  	ASSIGNED
[10:55] <asac> XioNoX: yes. i fixed it again
[10:55] <XioNoX> ok
[10:55] <asac> all fine now
[10:55] <asac> just open the page completely new when editing next time ;)
[10:55] <asac> (just in case)
[10:55] <asac> XioNoX: let me know when there is a screenshot
[10:55] <asac> :)
[10:56] <XioNoX> oploading right now
[10:56] <gandi> XioNoX, asac : it would be also cool if you could write down the plan for this. e.g. how you want to address this issue
[10:57] <XioNoX> done
[10:57] <XioNoX> asac, in french :D
[10:58] <gandi> no
[10:58] <gandi> it has to be in english
[10:58] <gandi> how people can analyze its user experience impact without understanding the message?
[10:59] <gandi> despite - how do you launch this window?
[10:59] <gandi> wasn't it suppose to be a tab in addons window?
[10:59] <asac> XioNoX: i would suggest that you switch your complete system to english ;)
[11:00] <asac> XioNoX: yeah. what happened to the tab?
[11:00] <XioNoX> the tab appear only if we do tools ==> addons
[11:01] <XioNoX> if we clic on the puzzle piece there is no tab
[11:01] <XioNoX> it is (i think) that was planned
[11:01] <gandi> XioNoX: launch it on fresh profile please
[11:01] <asac> XioNoX: but we worked on opening the tab when you click on it
[11:01] <gandi> en-US
[11:01] <gandi> and do two screenshots - one with tab
[11:01] <gandi> one with window
[11:01] <XioNoX> ok ok
[11:01] <gandi> and describe while attaching when you can see this window
[11:01] <asac> XioNoX: the idea was that if you click on "install missing plugins ..." that it opens the addons window, opens the tab, do the search
[11:02] <asac> XioNoX: iirc, you already had that
[11:02] <gandi> what has to happen/be clicked to see it
[11:10] <XioNoX> 2nd screenshot uploaded
[11:11] <XioNoX> but for the moment, it don't do any search
[11:11] <XioNoX> it just show all plugins who are in the rdf file
[11:12] <asac> XioNoX: right
[11:12] <asac> so next step is to implement the search
[11:12] <asac> XioNoX: but first, please readd the feature that you open that addons tab when you click on missing plugins button
[11:13] <asac> can you do that?
[11:13] <asac> XioNoX: you are still on french ;)
[11:13] <asac> XioNoX: you can mark attachments that are not the latest as "obsolete"
[11:13] <asac> so they get scratched through
[11:14] <XioNoX> firefox in now in english but gnome is still in french
[11:14] <asac> true. you dont need to shoot the "apturl dialog" for now anyway
[11:14] <XioNoX> i think it would be better this way fot the tab in the addon dialog
[11:15] <asac> ?
[11:15] <XioNoX> to show the list of tab only through the Tools dialog
[11:16] <asac> the idea is to hide the "Get Plugins" tab unless you click on missing plugins
[11:16] <XioNoX> and only the list xith the search box when we clic on the notification bar or puzzle piece
[11:16] <gandi> asac: I think it would help a lot if you could write down the plan for workflow
[11:17] <asac> gandi: 1st step: use get plugins tab triggered as wizard for missing plugins ...
[11:17] <gandi> asac: in the bug
[11:18] <gandi> :)
[11:18] <asac> 2nd step: allow user to go to "plugins tab" and push a button: "search for alternative" ... or something
[11:19] <asac> hmm ... ok
[11:30] <asac> XioNoX: what you could do now, is to use the mimetype given through the missing plugin click and do the real search
[11:30] <asac> the for that you use the pfs.datasource.url preference
[11:31] <asac> and use the URLFormatter to replace the variables that are in there
[11:31] <asac> then you use the result and use that as url for your datasource
[11:31] <asac> XioNoX: ^^
[11:31] <XioNoX> O_O
[11:32] <asac> XioNoX: i thin kthe  old pluginFinderDatasource.js already does that "variable" substitution
[11:32] <asac> s othe code should be there
[11:32] <asac> now you just need to use the mimetypes you get through the openDialog argument
[11:32] <XioNoX> 1s
[11:33] <XioNoX> so, we use the mimetype to change the URL of the datasource, right ?
[11:33] <asac> XioNoX: look at the url that is set in the pref above
[11:33] <asac> there are other variables as well
[11:33] <asac> not only mimetype
[11:34] <asac> but yes, mimetype is one of it
[11:34] <asac> XioNoX: the code for that is already in the old pluginFinderDatasource.js for sure
[11:34] <XioNoX> I'll look at this code
[11:34] <XioNoX> but
[11:34] <XioNoX> there are 2 kind of filter/search
[11:35] <XioNoX> using the searchbox & using the notificationbar
[11:35] <XioNoX> the notificationbar will give directly the mimetype
[11:35] <asac> keep the searchbox untouched for now
[11:35] <XioNoX> ok
[11:35] <asac> XioNoX: use the missingPlugins array you pass to the window
[11:35] <asac> not sure if you still pass it as argument, but you did a week ago or so :)
[11:36] <XioNoX> yes i remember, it is still here normally
[11:36] <asac> XioNoX: the other feature is that you need to pop up an EULA dialog when the results have a licenseURL
[11:36] <asac> that the user has to accept before the actual install happens
[11:36] <asac> but do that once you hvae made the search results live
[11:37] <XioNoX> ok
[11:38] <gandi> brb
[11:38] <XioNoX> or just ignore EULA ! nobody read it  anyway :D
[11:40] <XioNoX> asac, so i lunch and then i work on it
[11:49] <asac> hehe
[11:50] <asac> XioNoX: bon appetit
[12:22] <jdstrand> Kamping_Kaiser: sure, np :)
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[13:07] <XioNoX> asac, back !
[13:09] <asac> XioNoX: yay
[13:15] <XioNoX> asac, I know how to get the value of the mimetype
[13:15] <asac> XioNoX: good
[13:15] <XioNoX> but where should i implement the filter ?
[13:15] <asac> thats the first step ;)
[13:16] <asac> XioNoX: before you .rebuild() you have to update the datasource
[13:16] <XioNoX> in the updateViewPluginWizard ?
[13:16] <asac> XioNoX: why not
[13:16] <XioNoX> ok
[13:16] <asac> XioNoX: did oyu find the urlformatter thing?
[13:17] <XioNoX> that is my question :D
[13:17] <asac> XioNoX: should be in code
[13:17] <asac> in the pluginFinderDaasource.js thing
[13:17] <XioNoX> or with the header exetention ?
[13:17] <XioNoX> to get the url i should get
[13:18] <asac> XioNoX: ok the code does it manually
[13:19] <XioNoX> ?
[13:19] <asac> search for dsURI in pluginFinderDatasource.js
[13:19] <asac> there it replaces patterns
[13:19] <XioNoX> ok
[13:19] <XioNoX> i'll look at that
[13:21] <XioNoX>  var prefBranch = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/preferences-service;1"]
[13:21] <XioNoX>                              .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIPrefBranch);
[13:21] <XioNoX>   this.dsURI = prefBranch.getCharPref("pfs.datasource.url")
[13:22] <asac> yes
[13:22] <XioNoX> "pfs.datasource.url
[13:23] <XioNoX> is in the about:config
[13:23] <XioNoX> true ?
[13:23] <XioNoX> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/cgi-bin/plugin-finder.py?mimetype=%PLUGIN_MIMETYPE%&appID=%APP_ID%&appVersion=%APP_VERSION%&clientOS=%CLIENT_OS%&chromeLocale=%CHROME_LOCALE%&distributionID=8.04
[13:23] <XioNoX> ok, i've find how it works
[13:24] <asac> XioNoX: right. you also have to properly gather the variables. that is done in the initializer of the datasource iirc
[13:24] <XioNoX> what is iirc ?
[13:24] <asac> -> google ;)
[13:24] <asac> should give a good hit
[13:25] <XioNoX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIRC
[13:25] <XioNoX> Iraqi Islamic reconciliation conference ?
[13:25] <XioNoX> :D
[13:25] <asac> its an acronym
[13:26] <asac> you probably use the french google
[13:26] <asac> use the international edition and it should be the first hit :-D
[13:26] <XioNoX> it is explaind in the wikipedia page
[13:27] <asac> ah
[13:27] <XioNoX> if i remember corectly
[13:27] <asac> yeah
[13:27] <XioNoX> but it is the acronyme of Iraqi Islamic reconciliation conference too :D
[13:27] <XioNoX> as say wikipedia
[13:30] <XioNoX> asac, I have to call again all the appRelease, buildID, etc... ?
[13:30] <XioNoX> with all the this._rdfService = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/rdf/rdf-service;1"]
[13:30] <XioNoX>                         .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIRDFService);
[13:30] <XioNoX>   this._os = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/observer-service;1"]
[13:30] <XioNoX>                        .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIObserverService);
[13:30] <XioNoX>   var app = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/xre/app-info;1"]
[13:30] <XioNoX>                       .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIXULAppInfo);
[13:30] <asac> unless that inf is already available in the .js file then yes
[13:32] <XioNoX> ok
[13:32] <XioNoX> i put all of this in the updateViewPluginWizard ?
[13:37] <asac> XioNoX: well ... do it in some init function or something
[13:37] <asac> so you dont have to redo it on every call
[13:37] <XioNoX> ok
[13:39] <mterry> asac: When looking up locale-specific chrome, how do fallbacks work?  I assume fr_US falls back to fr?  What does it fall back to if no fr locale?  C?  en_US?
[13:40] <mterry> Hmm, I guess I should say fr-us and en-us
[13:45] <asac> mterry: err ... do you mean fallback for missing strings?
[13:45] <asac> or if there is no translation at all?
[13:46] <mterry> asac: I mean the fallback for missing locales.  Like say the user is in locale fr-us, but no chrome folder exists for that locale.
[13:46] <asac> it will first try locale without country code
[13:47] <asac> if that doesnt exist it will pick any country code (most likely in alphabetic order)
[13:47] <asac> so fr_US would fall back to fr_FR
[13:47] <asac> if that exists
[13:47] <asac> but would prefer fr if that exists
[13:47] <asac> if nothing exists it just falls back to en_US
[13:47] <mterry> asac: OK.  So fr-us -> fr -> fr-fr -> en-us
[13:47] <asac> yes
[13:47] <mterry> asac: Thanks!
[13:48] <asac> if fr_AA would exist
[13:48] <asac> it would probably use that instead of fr-fr
[13:48] <mterry> asac: Ah, I see
[13:48] <asac> but not 100% ... maybe its just random
[13:48] <mterry> asac: :)
[13:48] <asac> which countr code is used
[13:48] <asac> if random it most likely depends on hash
[13:54] <XioNoX> asac, another little question, in the startup function i put only "var app = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/xre/app-info;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIXULAppInfo);" or i put the this.appID = app.ID; too ?
[13:55] <asac> XioNoX: why not?
[13:55] <asac> otherwise app will be not available in the other function
[13:55] <asac> so this.app ... or directly this.appID
[13:55] <XioNoX> just te be sure that i can use it in other function
[13:56] <asac> var app -> local scope
[13:56] <fta> my laptop is unusable. i'm stuck in gdm. usb mouse not detected (but the pad is) and worse, no keyboard
[13:56] <asac> this.app = ... -> object scope
[13:56] <XioNoX> ok
[13:56] <asac> fta: urgh
[13:56] <asac> fta:  -> -devel
[13:56] <asac> was there a recent gdm update?
[13:56] <asac> or is that kernel?
[13:57] <fta> yes, both
[13:57] <asac> go to -devel
[13:57] <fta> previous kernel does the same
[13:57] <fta> i know, i just like to complain ;)
[13:57] <asac> fta: gdm downgrade possible?
[13:57] <asac> hehe
[13:57] <asac> yeah. but complaining in -devel is more efficient
[13:57] <asac> ;)
[13:57] <asac> though i like to know about your doom for sure ;)
[13:58] <asac> fta: you could also try NM 0.7 from ~network-manager PPA
[13:58] <asac> it has static IP setups and such
[13:59] <asac> so usually most features required should be available
[13:59] <asac> (just to give you more crack
[13:59] <fta> network is seriously broken too
[14:00] <asac> good that my home is flooded and the power is still off
[14:00] <asac> my desktop probably would have similar issues
[14:00] <asac> fta: wifi network?
[14:00] <asac> or wired?
[14:00] <fta> if i plug the eth cable, wireless remains the preferred media. and there's no dhcp on eth0.. i have to force it
[14:00] <fta> hence, at boot, everything is slow to start
[14:01] <asac> fta: good :) ... NM should help you ;)
[14:01] <asac> what do you use to do the roaming?
[14:01] <asac> (from wireless to wired)
[14:02] <fta> it was ok a few weeks ago, and somewhat working up to yesterday
[14:04] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+build/666928 ???
[14:05] <fta> ah, Queued: 2008-07-11
[14:05] <Jazzva> that's a long wait queue...
[14:06] <fta> it's waiting for something that will never happen
[14:07] <fta> so it will keep retrying every 30 minutes forever
[14:07] <Jazzva> ouch
[14:07] <fta> i complained many times to lp guys about that, some packages have been doing that for more than a year
[14:08] <fta> they don't seem to care
[14:08] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, when you come around, please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/ReportJuly08
[14:08] <Jazzva> though, this report only takes care of extensions maintained through bzr :/
[14:08] <Jazzva> fta, that's bad
[14:09] <fta> i know
[14:13] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe delete the upload?
[14:13] <asac> read a few lines above
[14:14] <Jazzva> fta, have you tried teatime in intrepid? It should contain my patch...
[14:18] <fta> Jazzva, it does, but it doesn't work. i guess it's a p-a vs alsa problem
[14:18] <Jazzva> guess so
[14:18] <fta> it was fine for a while, then the sound disappeared
[14:19] <asac> teatime is in java?
[14:20] <Jazzva> asac, no
[14:20] <Jazzva> C
[14:21] <Jazzva> fta, did it dissapear in teatime in your PPA too?
[14:23] <asac> Jazzva: what does it use for sound?
[14:23] <asac> gstreamer?
[14:23] <Jazzva> mhm
[14:29] <Jazzva> ah... fta's version still works
[14:29] <fta> eh ? it's yours
[14:30] <Jazzva> sorry... version in your PPA ;)
[14:30] <Jazzva> I sent the diff to debian, which shows the changes in old src vs. new src.
[14:30] <fta> i know, but i don't touch it, it's your patch before it was sponsored
[14:30] <fta> -don't+didn't
[14:31] <Jazzva> and it was added as a patch as 99_sound_play_stop.patch... so, that one on patch target created 91_gst_enable_playing, which doesn't get applied
[14:31] <Jazzva> so, the actual patch is never applied
[14:32] <Jazzva> fta, if you want, look at 99_sound_play_stop.patch in debian/patches in 2.8.0-4
[14:32] <Jazzva> I'll open new bug report in debian
[14:33] <fta> thx
[14:34] <Jazzva> np
[14:43] <asac> jtv: fwiw, did the URL escaping land at some point?
[14:43] <asac> e.g. property.value=http://goforit.domain.tld
[14:43] <jtv> asac: oh yes, it did some time ago
[14:43] <asac> jtv: in production?
[14:43] <jtv> asac: let me see whether it was actually part of the rollout...
[14:43] <asac> thanks
[14:48] <Jazzva> fta, debian bug 493868
[14:56] <XioNoX> asac, something is bloking me, but I can't find how to solve this...
[14:58] <jtv> asac: sorry for delay, other questions...  Yes, that workaround for the unescaped backslashes is in production.
[14:58] <asac> XioNoX: i cant see what blocks you
[14:59] <asac> jtv: cool
[14:59] <asac> thanks
[14:59] <asac> jtv: but not yet the path patch right?
[14:59] <XioNoX> asac, if i put :    window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
[14:59] <XioNoX>                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
[14:59] <XioNoX>                       "install-mime-plugins");, it works
[14:59] <asac> if so we could recreate langpacks to fix a bunch of bugs
[14:59] <jtv> asac: right, that one's landed but not rolled out, and since it's code running on the script server, it won't hit production until next rollout.
[15:00] <asac> jtv: how long?
[15:00] <XioNoX> but this don't :     window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
[15:00] <XioNoX>                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
[15:00] <XioNoX>                       "install-mime-plugins", plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser);
[15:00] <jtv> asac: should be end of the month
[15:01] <asac> ok please give me pre-warning
[15:01] <asac> ;)
[15:01] <asac> a week or so if possible
[15:01] <asac> XioNoX: where did you get that pattern from?
[15:02] <XioNoX> the original is :  window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
[15:02] <XioNoX>                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
[15:02] <XioNoX>                       {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser});
[15:02] <XioNoX> but even with the brackets it don't works
[15:02] <XioNoX> and there are not a lot of help on MDC
[15:03] <asac> XioNoX: you see the difference?
[15:03] <asac> openDialog only accepts a single argument
[15:03] <asac> besides the "normal" arguments
[15:04] <asac> err .... not even sure about that, but the syntax above is definitly wrong
[15:04] <asac> you will figure
[15:04] <asac>  {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser:  tabbrowser.selectedBrowser}
[15:04] <asac> ^^ thats a map
[15:04] <XioNoX> newWindow = openDialog(url, name, features, arg1, arg2, ...)  say MDC
[15:05] <asac> while func("something", test: 1, test2: 3) is just illegal
[15:05] <asac> yes
[15:05] <asac> test: 1 is not a valid expression in javascript
[15:05] <asac> if you look carefully you will see the difference
[15:05] <XioNoX> so, how can i fix that ?
[15:06] <asac> by looking what you posted above :)
[15:06] <asac> pass the command as arg1 and the map as arg2
[15:07] <XioNoX> something like that : "install-mime-plugins", {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser}); ?
[15:10] <XioNoX> asac, what is the uri to get all the extentions ?
[15:10] <asac> he?
[15:10] <asac> there is none (yet)
[15:10] <asac> currently you can only get plugins by mime-type
[15:11] <asac> we could add a feature to give all plugins at some point. but that has to be coordinated with the mozilla plugin finder webservice
[15:11] <asac> note: extensions != plugins
[15:11] <XioNoX> ho sorry
[15:11] <XioNoX> asac, what is the uri to get all the plugins ?
[15:11] <asac> XioNoX: read what i said two lines above :(
[15:12] <XioNoX> ok, i think you was talking about extentions :D
[15:12] <asac> nope
[15:12] <asac> i know which context you are in ;)
[15:12] <asac> XioNoX: currently the only way is to use the pfs.datasource.url
[15:12] <asac> and fill in all values
[15:13] <XioNoX> ok
[15:13] <XioNoX> I was just looking for a fallback url
[15:14] <XioNoX> if(mimetype) .....   else show default list
[15:14] <asac> XioNoX: if there is no mimetype the "get plugin" tab should just be hidden
[15:15] <asac> for now its just triggered by the puzzle piece, and install missing button
[15:15] <XioNoX> ok
[15:15] <asac> thats why we want the normal addons dialog to be used
[15:15] <XioNoX> ok
[15:15] <asac> later we might add buttons to look for alternatives to the "plugins" entries
[15:15] <asac> but for that we need to figure out a bit more
[15:16] <asac> first lets get to feature parity
[15:17] <XioNoX> ok
[15:17] <XioNoX> so it is almost done
[15:18] <XioNoX> https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/PluginFinderService.php?mimetype=true&appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=2008080516&clientOS=[xpconnect wrapped nsIXULChromeRegistry @ 0x7f66aecb2860 (native @ 0x7f66c7da64a0)]&chromeLocale=en-US&appRelease=3.0
[15:18] <XioNoX> is this correct ?
[15:18] <XioNoX> exept the pfs.mozilla.org/plugins
[15:21] <asac> XioNoX: no
[15:21] <asac> look at the clientOS=...
[15:21] <asac> thats not the real string value
[15:21] <XioNoX> what t should be ?
[15:21] <asac> not sure ... something like Linux?
[15:22] <asac> XioNoX: you are missing something there for sure
[15:22] <asac> look at the original code from pluginFinderDatasource
[15:22] <XioNoX> it is what I do
[15:22] <asac> XioNoX: most likely its not ;)
[15:22] <asac> XioNoX: also mimetype=true ;)
[15:22] <asac> isnt right either
[15:22] <XioNoX> ok
[15:22] <asac> that should be the mimetype
[15:23] <asac> XioNoX: you will figure. you either reference the wrong argument or something
[15:23] <asac> else is missing
[15:23] <asac> my guess is that the mimetype thing is not the right argument
[15:23] <asac> remember that the missingPlugins argument is an array
[15:23] <asac> or something like that
[15:27] <XioNoX> yep
[15:46]  * asac out for an hour
[15:48] <sebner> hf asac
[16:26] <Jazzva> off to write project documentation... see you later in the evening :)
[16:27] <XioNoX> someone can help me with javascript ? :D
[16:27] <XioNoX> an array stuff :(
[16:36] <asac> bfiller: how did the browser go?
[16:36] <asac> XioNoX: whats the prob?
[16:40] <XioNoX> are you on #extdev ?
[16:41] <XioNoX>     window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
[16:41] <XioNoX>                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
[16:41] <XioNoX>                        "install-mime-plugins", {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser});
[16:42] <XioNoX> I can't get the content of  missingPluginsArray
[16:42] <bfiller> asac: going well, I have it building with custom branding, still need to do the mods to get-orig-source that we talked about
[16:43] <bfiller> asac: currently modifying the tar file manually
[16:43] <XioNoX> asac, here there are an exemple of how it work, but I can't reproduce it : http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/toolkit/mozapps/plugins/content/pluginInstallerWizard.js#70
[16:44] <bfiller> asac: i'm having a problem with default prefs though.. I'm trying to set a default FF pref by including a .js file in /etc/firefox-3.0/
[16:45] <bfiller> asac: that is a .js file in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref. The pref shows up when I do about:config (w/ status "default") with the correct value but the browser does not honor it.
[16:46] <bfiller> asac: only honors it when I change it manually in about:config
[16:46] <asac> bfiller: bfiller what pref is that?
[16:47] <bfiller> asac: browser.search.selectedEngine, setting it to "Yahoo"
[16:47] <asac> ok
[16:48] <bfiller> asac: same problem occurs with browser.startup.homepage (I removed ubufox extension first to test as this also sets that pref)
[16:55] <asac> bfiller: i think you need to point the browser.startup.homepage to a .properties files
[17:02] <asac> bfiller: there you are again ;)
[17:03] <asac> 17:54 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jdstrand_, saivann, ubottu,  Jazzva, bfiller, Wellark, Sergeant_Pony, jetsaredim, fta, gnomefreak,  (+9 more, use  /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
[17:03] <asac> ups
[17:03] <asac> 17:54 < asac> bfiller: i think you need to point the browser.startup.homepage to a .properties files
[17:03] <asac> bfiller: same for the defaultsearchengine
[17:03] <asac> bfiller: do you have an extension for your customizations=
[17:03] <asac> ?
[17:05] <asac> bfiller: got the answer?
[17:05] <bfiller> asac: was using ubufox for this
[17:05] <asac> bfiller: ok, then do the following
[17:05] <bfiller> asac: was hoping to not have to use an extension because the logic for the homepage is very dependent on a lot of things, country, locale, and other factors
[17:05] <asac> place a properties file in content
[17:06] <asac> e.g. superconfig.properties
[17:06] <asac> add key value pairs with the configuration you want to change
[17:06] <asac> bfiller: like: browser.search.defaultenginename=Yahoo
[17:07] <bfiller> asac: ok, where directory is content in?
[17:07] <asac> then you in your .js file you dont set the value to Yahoo, but to the chrome:// url to that properties file
[17:07] <asac> bfiller: do you have the ubufox source?
[17:07] <bfiller> asac: yes
[17:07] <asac> bfiller: the branch?
[17:07] <asac> there should be a top level directory called ubufox
[17:07] <asac> err, content :)
[17:08] <bfiller> asac: ok got it, thanks
[17:08] <asac> ok, put a file with just the line above in there
[17:08] <asac> then start firefox with that ubufox and try to display that file using
[17:09] <asac> chrome://ubufox/content/superconfig.properties
[17:09] <asac> if that displays fine, but that URL instead of "Yahoo" in the .js file
[17:09] <asac> s/but/put/
[17:10] <asac> bfiller: btw, could you send me the final branding directory you are using?
[17:10] <asac> i need it :-P
[17:10] <bfiller> asac: will do
[17:10] <asac> cool
[17:48] <XioNoX> what happend to the channel ?
[17:57] <thunderstruck> fta: asac retrying the build isnt gonna fix anything it look like it needs m-devscripts i have retried build a few times. i will work on it tomorrow im getting ready to run out.
[17:58] <asac> XioNoX: massive netsplit
[18:00] <XioNoX> asac, ok, any ideas for my array problem ?
[18:00] <asac> XioNoX: havent heard anything of your array problem
[18:01] <asac> most likely you were on the another end of the split
[18:01] <XioNoX> ok
[18:01] <XioNoX>     window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
[18:01] <XioNoX>                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
[18:01] <XioNoX>                        "install-mime-plugins", {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser});
[18:02] <XioNoX> I don't know how to get the content of missingPluginsArray
[18:02] <XioNoX> I've try things like : window.arguments[1].plugins
[18:02] <asac> XioNoX: how do you get the "install-.mime-plugins" ?
[18:02] <XioNoX> window.arguments[0]
[18:02] <asac> XioNoX: is arguments[1] empty?
[18:02] <asac> if not then thats the map
[18:02] <bfiller> asac: is there a rule so I know which prefs need to point at a .properties file vs. which I can just change directly?
[18:02] <XioNoX> window.arguments[1] return "true"
[18:02] <asac> err
[18:03] <asac> bfiller: .properties prefs are called ComplexValues
[18:03] <asac> bfiller: you can either look in code
[18:03] <asac> bfiller: or look in the .js file that defines the default
[18:03] <bfiller> asac: thanks
[18:03] <asac> if the .js file shipping default in firefox points to properties, you want to use that
[18:04] <asac> its a bit buggy imo
[18:06] <[reed]> asac: we don't want new users grabbing random bugs and messing with them
[18:06] <asac> [reed]: ok good. fair enough
[18:08] <XioNoX> [reed], thx for the email ;)
[18:09] <[reed]> :)
[18:21] <XioNoX> asac, do you have an idea ?
[18:22] <armin76> asac: see, they don't want you to mess with bugs!
[18:56] <gandi> re
[19:10] <XioNoX> gandi, better ?
[19:10] <gandi> still coughing
[19:10] <gandi> but alive
[19:11] <gandi> XioNoX: how's your project?
[19:11] <gandi> need any help?
[19:11] <XioNoX> yep
     window.openDialog("chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul",
                       "PFSWindow", "chrome,centerscreen,resizable=yes",
                        "install-mime-plugins", {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser});
 I don't know how to get the content of missingPluginsArray
 I've try things like : window.arguments[1].plugins but it bug and say that it is not defined
[19:12] <XioNoX> window.arguments[1] return "true"
[19:13] <XioNoX> and here is an exemple of how it work : http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/toolkit/mozapps/plugins/content/pluginInstallerWizard.js#70
[19:13] <XioNoX> but i didn't know how to implement it...
[19:14] <gandi> window.arguments[0].plugins
[19:14] <gandi> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Working_with_windows_in_chrome_code#Example_1:_Passing_data_to_window_when_opening_it_with_openDialog
[19:15] <XioNoX> window.arguments[0] return "install-mime-plugins"
[19:15] <XioNoX>  {plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser} is the second argumen
[19:16] <gandi> you can't do this like that
[19:16] <gandi> third argument are parameters
[19:16] <gandi> so instead of "install-mime-plugins" you have to give all the parameters
[19:16] <gandi> is that a problem?
[19:17] <XioNoX> no, i think that I can modify it
[19:17] <XioNoX> I've jsut to find where I've used install-mime-plugins :D
[19:17] <gandi> you can set it as another element of the array
[19:18] <XioNoX>  {action: "install-mime-plugins", plugins: missingPluginsArray, browser: tabbrowser.selectedBrowser}
[19:18] <XioNoX> can i doo that N
[19:18] <gandi> yea
[19:18] <XioNoX> ?
[19:18] <XioNoX> ok
[19:18] <gandi> sure
[19:19] <XioNoX> and
[19:19] <XioNoX> else if(window.arguments[0].action == "install-mime-plugins") {
[19:19] <XioNoX>         showView("get-plugins");
[19:19] <XioNoX> should work ?
[19:20] <gandi> yes
[19:31] <XioNoX> it works
[19:31] <XioNoX> but
[19:32] <XioNoX> there are a probleme with the datasource
[19:32] <gandi> not sure if I follow
[19:32] <XioNoX> if I doo table.setAttribute("datasources", "http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.rdf");
[19:32] <XioNoX> it works
[19:33] <XioNoX> if I doo table.setAttribute("datasources", dsURI);
[19:33] <XioNoX> where dsURI = http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/cgi-bin/plugin-finder.py?mimetype=application/x-shockwave-flash&appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=2008080520&clientOS=Linux%20x86_64&chromeLocale=en-US&distributionID=8.04
[19:33] <XioNoX> the richlistbox stay empty
[19:33] <gandi> debug it
[19:33] <gandi> what's the difference between those two?
[19:34] <XioNoX> there are 3 items in the big one
[19:34] <XioNoX> and only 2 on the other
[19:34] <XioNoX> I don't know if it is related with the big probleme that we add before you left for canada
[19:38] <asac> if you download that to a file and point to it, does it work better?
[19:39] <gandi> asac: can you take a look at #developers
[19:51] <XioNoX> don't seem to work on local too
[21:34] <fta> as expected, no sound with ff3.1 using the new <video>
[21:34] <fta> and a lot of crashes
[21:34] <fta> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[21:34] <fta> [Switching to Thread 0xb7c006c0 (LWP 10888)]
[21:34] <fta> 0xb7b06ebe in JS_LookupPropertyWithFlags () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1a2pre/libmozjs.so
[21:34] <fta> asac, ^^
[21:34] <fta> too bad ppa doesn't do dbgsym
[21:35] <fta> it seems i can't close tab either
[21:36] <asac> hmm
[21:47] <fta> it's in my ppa, if you want to try
[21:48] <fta> my previous build ~6 weeks ago was fine
[22:21] <asac> fta: is it on branch too?
[22:23] <fta> sure
[22:24] <fta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.head
[22:24] <fta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head
[22:26] <asac> fta: wanna dump nss SO_VERSION patches?
[22:26] <asac> and nspr fwiw ;)
[22:28] <fta> hmm
[22:28] <fta> not today, i'm dead, 60km ride under the sun
[22:41] <asac> fta: sounds far
[22:45] <gandi> asac: ping
[22:45] <gandi> XioNoX: you have to diff those two
[22:45] <gandi> and find the bug
[22:46] <asac> gandi: yes.
[22:46] <gandi> asac: what's the take away from mconnor's chat?
[22:47] <asac> gandi: that he is replacing a xml webservice interface with a html page.
[22:47] <gandi> and?
[22:47] <gandi> what's from that for our internship project?
[22:47] <asac> well ... if thats going to happen there wont be any way to do the plugin search in-chrome in a upstream feasible fashion
[22:48] <asac> regardless of what others think ;)
[22:48] <gandi> asac: so?
[22:48] <gandi> I still don't see a take away for us :(
[22:49] <gandi> I mean, what should Arzhel work on tomorrow?
[22:50] <XioNoX> there are still people working at this hour ?
[22:50] <asac> hard to say.
[22:51] <asac> i dont like that idea ;)
[22:51] <XioNoX> i don't understand what you are talking about
[22:51] <asac> prevents us to do cool things. but he just doesnt care for linux enough
[22:52] <asac> XioNoX: there wont be any way to do the plugin search  in-chrome in a upstream feasible fashion
[22:52] <XioNoX> why ? the html stuff ?
[22:53] <XioNoX> who decide this kind of thing ?
[22:54] <asac> not sure
[22:54] <asac> maybe drivers
[22:54] <gandi> asac: do we want to go with this
[22:54] <gandi> what we're doing
[22:54] <gandi> and see how it works?
[22:54] <gandi> if we have a high chance to produce something better for linux users
[22:54] <gandi> I'd recommend keep our track
[22:54] <asac> its hard to fight windmills
[22:55] <gandi> I doubt it's fighting windmills
[22:55] <asac> we need more features in the plugin implementation to do it properly
[22:55] <gandi> I want to talk to reed about it
[22:55] <asac> for instance one of the powerfult things that needs to be implemented is to support alternatives
[22:55] <XioNoX> I agree!
[22:56] <asac> so users need to be able to set priorities on plugins if you have multiple installed for the same mime-type
[22:56] <[reed]> gandi: I'm always available via ext. 333 if you want to call... or just msg me :)
[22:56] <asac> further you need notification that a certain plugin has alternatives avaialble
[22:56] <gandi> [reed]: what's your opinion on mconnor vs. asac+me
[22:56] <gandi> ?
[22:57] <[reed]> I know what you and asac wants, but I haven't heard what mconnor wants
[22:57] <[reed]> s/wants,/want,/
[22:57] <asac> [reed]: he wants to dump plugin finder service completely
[22:57] <asac> and host a website instead
[22:57] <[reed]> heh
[22:57] <gandi> asac: can you summarize?
[22:57] <gandi> pls
[22:57] <asac> that shows available plugins for a mime-type
[22:57] <[reed]> that seems like a bad UE
[22:57] <[reed]> or UX
[22:57] <gandi> the cons and pros of his solution comparing to ours?
[22:57] <[reed]> whatever you want to call it :)
[22:57] <asac> [reed]: so basically he replaces a xmlwebservice with a html one
[22:58] <asac> i would be fine with that, but i think there should be a in-chrome solution too
[22:59] <asac> he thinks that having the choice is a edge case for linux
[22:59] <asac> and users normally dont want that ;)
[23:00] <asac> but distros dont need their own website :) ... instead it should be like AMO ... where mozilla decides what has quality high enough  ;)
[23:01] <asac> gandi: the problem with going on is that if we implement it outside of upstream that we probably wont be allowed to use it under the firefox brand
[23:02] <gandi> asac: you think so?
[23:02] <gandi> we're using extensions anyway
[23:02] <gandi> in ubuntu
[23:02] <gandi> asac: can you summarize the approach we want vs. mconnors in the bug?
[23:02] <asac> gandi: we have one extension. that extension is an attempt to put all ubuntu specific behaviour in there
[23:02] <gandi> I'll try to get more opinions on that
[23:02] <gandi> especially why you think that mconnors solutions is not optimal for linux
[23:02] <asac> to allow mozilla to better review our changes
[23:02] <gandi> if we can get support from other vendors
[23:03] <gandi> it'll get easier
[23:03] <asac> ubufox gets regularly reviewed and the changes should be kept at minimum
[23:03] <asac> so its not a vehicle to drive changes to pristine-firefox as we wish ... unfortunately
[23:03] <asac> gandi: yes, getting other distros in the same boat would probably help
[23:04] <gandi> asac: it would help me get more support
[23:04] <asac> gandi: point is that some are not as innovative and dont want to differentiate through UE ;)
[23:04] <gandi> asac: let's try
[23:04] <asac> not UE of firefox, but overall
[23:04] <asac> a
[23:04] <XioNoX> UE ?
[23:05] <gandi> asac: yea, but still
[23:05] <asac> gandi: well ... we need changes in the core for some features that would actually make this feature _really_ rock
[23:05] <gandi> need your brief summary of the situation
[23:05] <gandi> the dream solution for you
[23:05] <asac> and we wont get them in without consent in moco
[23:05] <gandi> and why it's impossible with mconnors approach
[23:06] <asac> nothing is impossible. but it doesnt make sense.
[23:06] <gandi> write down why
[23:06] <gandi> I'll do the unblocking work
[23:06] <gandi> but I need your expertise desc
[23:07] <asac> we can try, but i cant do it today.
[23:07] <asac> its too late
[23:08] <gandi> tomorrow is fine
[23:08] <gandi> thnx
[23:08] <gandi> XioNoX: are you at the apt?
[23:08] <XioNoX> yep
[23:08] <XioNoX> why ?
[23:08] <gandi> you said that there'll be space for one more intern, right? ;)
[23:08] <XioNoX> on the couch in hte living room
[23:09] <gandi> sonny will join you on monday probably
[23:09] <gandi> is that ok?
[23:09] <XioNoX> ok
[23:09] <gandi> he'll be working on extensions with you
[23:09] <XioNoX> Flirian is leaving in 2 weeks
[23:09] <gandi> :)
[23:09] <gandi> yea
[23:09] <XioNoX> where does he come from ?
[23:09] <gandi> the apt is rented till 25th of Aug
[23:09] <gandi> france
[23:09] <XioNoX> ok
[23:09] <XioNoX> so he will stay 2 weeks ?
[23:10] <gandi> he'll stay longer
[23:10] <gandi> but he'll have to find another apt
[23:10] <XioNoX> ok
[23:10] <XioNoX> so what do I do tomorrow ?
[23:10] <gandi> we'll talk about it :)
[23:10] <gandi> I want you to continue working on this
[23:10] <gandi> but need asac's opinion and advice
[23:11] <XioNoX> between the rdf bloking stuff and the "legal" stuff :D
[23:11] <XioNoX> 2 people on the same project ?
[23:11] <XioNoX> it will not be too difficult to manage ?
[23:12] <gandi> no, the new intern will work on other extensions
[23:12] <XioNoX> ha ok
[23:29] <XioNoX> time to go to bed
[23:29] <XioNoX> asac, gandi , see you tomorrow ;)
[23:29] <XioNoX> good night
[23:32] <gandi> gn
[23:34] <asac> nicht
[23:34] <asac> night
[23:34] <asac> ;)
[23:36] <Jazzva> hm... nspluginwrapper is still sometimes failing
[23:36] <Jazzva> as in the flash doesn't load, and i get a popup
[23:37] <Jazzva> though, I think it's a bit less frequent then before