[00:00] <juanantonio> Is Xubuntu lighter in ressources than W98SE?
[00:00] <juanantonio> I want to change another PC to *Ubuntu
[00:00] <vidd> juanantonio, i havent used that unsupported operating system in over 7 years....
[00:01] <vidd> so i cant make an accurate comparison
[00:01] <juanantonio> but I'm no very sure about the version to use
[00:01] <vidd> juanantonio, xubuntu is the lightest of the "official" *buntu's
[00:01] <juanantonio> Mmm, you think a PIII will handle it with 384 Mb RAM?
[00:02] <vidd> easily
[00:02] <vidd> thats more then several of my systems
[00:02] <vidd> =]
[00:02] <juanantonio> Jejeje
[00:03] <juanantonio> I've two old systems, one running 800 and the other 500, will both of them?
[00:03] <vidd> 800 and 500 what?
[00:04] <juanantonio> Mhz
[00:04] <vidd> i dont see why not
[00:04] <vidd> they may not be setting any ground-speed records....but they will funtion
[00:04] <juanantonio> So, the thing is that I have the 500-PC for unloading with eMule under W98SE
[00:05] <vidd> you may want to consider installing the cli-only and adding lxde instead of xfce
[00:06] <juanantonio> and one month ago more or less, an error about drivers occurred. I have no idea about how to solve it, and as I have migrated from Vista 32 to Kubuntu 64 in this PC, I thought of doing the same thing in this
[00:06] <vidd> lxde is included in the official repo's...but its lighter then xbuntu-desktop
[00:07] <juanantonio> Lxde is a kind of graphical environment but lighter than Xubuntu?
[00:07] <vidd> drive errors usually mean "damaged hard-drives"
[00:07] <vidd> juanantonio, yes http://lxde.org
[00:08] <juanantonio> Ok. So, when I install Xubuntu, I choose lxde instead of Xfce
[00:08] <vidd> juanantonio, no
[00:08] <vidd> you install the cli-only from the alt cd
[00:09] <xubuser> Hello People.
[00:09] <juanantonio> Hello, man
[00:09] <juanantonio> So, I install Xfce
[00:09] <juanantonio> and then change
[00:09] <vidd> then...instad of adding xubuntu (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop) you add lxde (sudo apt-get install lxde)
[00:09] <xubuser> I can't ping another machine on the network. It's a windows machine.
[00:10] <vidd> juanantonio, no....
[00:10] <dcolish> hey vidd have you seen pub GNU/Linux or ubuntulite?
[00:10] <vidd> you install the cli only
[00:10] <vidd> this gives you just the command line
[00:10] <juanantonio> Cli only means text?
[00:10] <vidd> once its installed you install the desktop environment
[00:11] <vidd> the command to install the lxde desktop environment is sudo apt-get install lxde
[00:11] <juanantonio> Ok
[00:11] <vidd> juanantonio, yes...cli means only text
[00:12] <juanantonio> And I will have the official Ubuntu repos
[00:12] <vidd> you will only have a text-only environment until lxde gets finished installing....
[00:12] <vidd> then you reboot and you have a graphical environment
[00:12] <vidd> you may need to add additional applications once lxde is installed....
[00:13] <vidd> like a web browser and mail client, and what ever other apps you want
[00:13] <dcolish> vidd: juanantonio might want to check out ubuntulite
[00:13] <vidd> dcolish, then educate him =]
[00:14] <juanantonio> Do you think it is a good idea to try with this before this PC is dead?
[00:14] <juanantonio> ;)
[00:14] <dcolish> well its what you're describing, but already packaged as an official Ubuntu derivative
[00:14] <vidd> xubuser, what does ipconfig on the winblows box say the ip addess is?
[00:14] <juanantonio> Unofficial, I would say
[00:15] <xubuser> vidd: hmmm.... rnning arp on it. arp see sit. ip: .122
[00:15] <vidd> dcolish, im recommending what is already in the official repos...not adding any extra repos
[00:15] <juanantonio> Thank you very much, I will have a look at lxde.org
[00:15] <vidd> xubuser, arp?
[00:16] <vidd> xubuser, can the windows box ping the linux box?
[00:16] <xubuser> vidd: arp address resolution protocol or something.
[00:16] <xubuser> vidd: yeah windows ping linux fine.
[00:16] <dcolish> vidd: understood. the ubuntulite does have a full community, launchpad etc
[00:16] <vidd> xubuser, can the linux box ping the gateway?
[00:17] <dcolish> besides juanantonio seems to know all about it so i've got nothing more to say
[00:17] <xubuser> vidd: gateway? router?
[00:17] <juanantonio> What is ubuntutitle?
[00:17] <xubuser> it can ping router.
[00:18] <vidd> xubuser, then you probably have a firewall issue on the windows box
[00:19] <xubuser> vidd: turning it on and off again. :)
[00:19] <vidd> xubuser, windows (especially xp and vista) usually have a firewall program riunning that will not reply incoming pings
[00:21] <vidd> xubuser, any luck?
[00:21] <juanantonio> So I do not have to download anything from lxde page
[00:21] <vidd> juanantonio, no...its all in the repo's
[00:22] <vidd> but you might also want to check out ubuntulight
[00:22] <vidd> juanantonio, dcolish has the info on it
[00:23]  * vidd will not assist with that...they have thier own support
[00:23]  * vidd is off for dinner
[00:23] <juanantonio> In the Xubuntu CD is everything to install, but I have to choose text, and then I say to install lxde, have I understood everything?
[00:29]  * vidd is back
[00:34] <juanantonio> vidd, I had a look at ubuntu lite also
[00:35] <xubuser> vidd: was the firewall. :) thanks.
[00:35] <vidd> xubuser, of couse it was =]
[00:36] <xubuser> vidd: now, I don't have to get up to change the video playing. :)
[00:36] <xubuser> vnc. :)
[00:36] <juanantonio> but I think it is better to try with Xubuntu CD with lxde as you told me, I suppose it will run as fast as it can
[00:37] <vidd> xubuser, why not have linux doing the video playing?
[00:37] <vidd> juanantonio, is it the desktop cd or the alt cd?
[00:37] <xubuser> vidd: it's on the main computer with windows that run all the other stuff that doesn't run on linux. And it has the flat screen.
[00:38]  * vidd would be evicting windows from THAT machine!
[00:38] <juanantonio> I think it is the desktop CD, let me see
[00:38] <vidd> juanantonio, if it is, its the wrong cd to do as i said
[00:38] <juanantonio> i386 32bits
[00:39] <xubuser> well, there's stuff that won't run on linux that must be run on that box.
[00:39] <vidd> juanantonio, ok....live or alt?
[00:39] <xubuser> I do dualboot that box into gentoo. :)
[00:40] <vidd> xubuser, i'd qemu windows onto the linux install
[00:40] <xubuser> oh on qemu is too slow even with teh kernel patch for speed.
[00:40] <vidd> xubuser, any virtual machine
[00:41] <xubuser> yeah virtual machines are slow. I need more than 1G of ram for running qemu successfully. I use qemu for testing out new distros.... but not serious work.
[00:41] <vidd> *sigh* 4 more hours of data back-up before this system gets labotomized
[00:42] <xubuser> some thick client apps that run better. Plus all the music recording stuff that only works on windows. that linux doesn't have an alternative for ... yet.
[00:42] <vidd> wine dont help?
[00:43] <xubuser> wine help. for many realtime music recording apps, you need direct access and fast speed. :)
[00:43] <xubuser> but linux has come a long way from back then when I first used it. Now 60-70
[00:44] <xubuser> 60-70% of the stuff has linux alternatives.
[00:44]  * vidd dont do music at all
[00:45] <xubuser> hehe, music stuff plus some other stuff that runs better on windows. other than that hehe linux is nice
[00:46] <juanantonio_> I fell
[00:46] <xubuser> this xubuntu new look is really nice.
[00:46]  * vidd has 8 linux machines and one windows machine (dual-booting)
[00:47] <vidd> the windows box is strictly for gaming
[00:47] <juanantonio_> I think it is desktop, vidd. If I insert the CD in the unit I will know?
[00:47] <vidd> if its not a video game, its not on the windows box
[00:47] <xubuser> oh yeah plus the game that I play that is windows only. :)
[00:47] <xubuser> hehe, I like windows. I like both. :)
[00:48] <vidd> juanantonio_, you will know because you will get a desktop environment when it boots
[00:49] <juanantonio_> I haven't the other PC in this house
[00:49] <vidd> if you tell me what the first menu option is, i can tell you if its a live or alt cd
[00:52] <Necrosan> Windows < Mac OS X
[00:53] <juanantonio_> No idea, sorry
[01:31] <deus_> DAMNIt ubuntu in intrepid still havent fixed the crash for multicore machines
[01:35] <Necrosan> Ubunu is a work in progress
[01:35] <Necrosan> it will never be done.. or working properly for that matter
[01:35] <Necrosan> but when it does work right, you get to feel awesome about not spending $$ on useless trash
[01:40] <xubuser> ok, after installing adobe-flashplugin, the FF3 pages don't show flash stuff.
[01:50] <ELHN> hello
[01:50] <vidd> ELHN, hello
[01:50] <ELHN> Do you mind if a ask question or two?
[01:50] <ELHN> *I
[01:51] <vidd> !ask
[01:51] <ELHN> oh, my bad
[01:52] <ELHN> Anyways, I'm using compiz fusion for desktop effects, but I can't use any xfce themes because it say that compiz is my window manager, so what would be the problem here?
[01:53] <ELHN> *says
[01:55] <vidd> ELHN,  that is the issue
[01:55] <vidd> xfce themes work with xfce, not compiz
[01:56] <ELHN> So no desktop effects if I want to use a xfwm4 theme?
[01:57] <vidd> kinda
[01:58] <vidd> yu need to set up desktop effects with xfce or use compiz themes
[01:58] <ELHN> okay
[01:59] <ELHN> killall compiz compiz.real
[01:59] <vidd> im sure there is some way to make xfce themes work in compiz, but i dont know how
[01:59] <ELHN> oh
[02:03] <Necrosan> made a cool new aim screen name
[02:03] <Necrosan> "Id Kill You Easily"
[02:04] <vidd> Necrosan, offtopic is over there ------->
[02:04] <Necrosan> where's there?
[02:04] <vidd> #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:04] <Necrosan> oh. meh.
[02:05] <vidd> =]
[02:06] <ELHN> It also only works with gtk themes
[02:07] <ELHN> no wfwm4 themes
[02:07] <vidd> so convert your theme into GTK
[02:07] <juanantonio> Vidd, I have restarted my PC, I got graphic ISO CD
[02:08] <ELHN> And how would I do that?
[02:08] <vidd> ELHN, again....i dont know
[02:08] <ELHN> Sorry
[02:09] <juanantonio> See you later
[02:15] <ELHN> well, I guess I'll do emarlad
[02:15] <vidd> juanantonio, that didnt take long =]
[02:16] <ELHN> *emerald
[02:33] <Robotech_Master> I need a little help, if people here wouldn't mind. I'm running xubuntu 8.10 on my old Toshiba Satellite laptop. And ever since I did an apt-get dist-upgrade today, when I reboot the status bars (top and bottom) on my window manager don't come up.
[02:33] <Robotech_Master> Which means I can't do things like log into wireless.
[02:34] <vidd> Robotech_Master, can you get a terminal open?
[02:34] <Robotech_Master> Yeah, luckily it still remembers I had one open in my last session and pops it up.
[02:34] <Robotech_Master> (And I could ctrl-F1 if it didn't. :P )
[02:35] <vidd> Robotech_Master, then you simply need to type xfce4-panel
[02:36] <vidd> save the session when you log out...you should be good to go
[02:36] <Robotech_Master> Hey, great, that opens it right up.
[02:40] <Robotech_Master> Who'da thunk the fix could be so simple. Thanks, that helps a lot.
[03:17] <atarinox> can anybody recommend a good audio player, something where I can customize the media library. I like ot have separate windows for artists, albums, and tracks...so i can select the artist, see all their albums in a separate panel, then select an album and see the tracks from that in another
[03:17] <Ultraputz> hah :-)
[03:18] <Ultraputz> i'm checking out songbird right now, preparing to abandon banshee (which i would have previously recommended)
[03:18] <atarinox> so amarok or xmms wouldnt work?
[03:18] <Ultraputz> both have a lot of people who appreciate them as "itunes replacements"
[03:19] <atarinox> well winamp was perfect for my needs in windows...so if i could just find a decent replacement
[03:19] <Ultraputz> then you probably want one of the two you mentioned
[03:19] <atarinox> all i care about is media library and some decent audio quality/plugins
[03:19] <Ultraputz> they're cited by people as being "winamp-like"
[03:20] <Ultraputz> audio quality is more about your drivers and low-level setup than the player
[03:20] <atarinox> ah hmmm
[03:20] <Ultraputz> same as with a pc
[03:20] <atarinox> so whatre the advantages of banshee, songbird, etc?
[03:20] <Ultraputz> winamp sounds great on a really nice card, and sounds like crap coming out of your laptop's built in speaker
[03:21] <Ultraputz> they're itunes replacements, in that, the cover the major bases: podcatching, library management, burning (banshee for sure) etc.
[03:21] <Ultraputz> banshee has eq with presets, etc.
[03:22] <atarinox> ah ok
[03:23] <Ultraputz> if you really dig simplicity over any of that, check out quod libet
[03:26] <atarinox> ive heard of that one too
[03:26] <atarinox> i like simplicity as long as it's easy to setup
[03:26] <atarinox> i remember trying foobar awhile ago, which was way too involved for me
[03:27] <Ultraputz> everything i've tried has been a matter of  install and go.
[03:27] <Ultraputz> nothing's been difficult.
[03:27] <atarinox> nice
[03:29] <Ultraputz> feedback on songbird: nicest interface i've seen, but kind of fat and slow (uses mozilla xul as backend)
[03:30] <atarinox> yeah im trying to avoid any bloat
[03:30] <atarinox> what about banshee...why wouldnt you recommend that?
[03:30] <Ultraputz> i'm having a problem for which i cannot get a solution. the answer from the banshee folks was "upgrade to the development version."
[04:01] <AngryParsley> there is a bug with my soundcard in alsa 1.0.17 that was fixed in 18. is there some way I can install alsa 1.0.18 in intrepid?
[04:02] <Necrosan> no
[04:02] <AngryParsley> I've got linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic and linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic installed, but that's just drivers and modules :/
[04:02] <AngryParsley> although it did have a driver that fixed my wifi card
[04:03] <AngryParsley> Necrosan: you mean I'll have to install it by hand?
[04:27] <coldhak> brasero isn't detecting my dvd-rws, but I can read dvds. how do I tell if it's just  brasero, or something else?
[04:28] <coldhak> maybe i don't have burning drivers?
[04:28] <coldhak> it is a proper dvd-rw drive, I can burn on windows.
[04:31] <TheSheep> coldhak: are you in the cdrom group?
[04:32] <coldhak> uh...i dunno
[04:32] <TheSheep> check in system->users and groups
[04:34] <coldhak> says i have privs for everything
[04:35] <coldhak> i don't see a "cdrom" group though
[04:35] <coldhak> I can read from it though, so i don't think that'd be it
[04:36] <coldhak> hmm, might be my perms. sudo brasero detects correctly
[04:38] <coldhak> it might be that, I don't appear to have a cdrom group
[04:38] <TheSheep> what does ls -al /dev/cdrom show?
[04:39] <coldhak> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-11-05 12:00 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
[05:29] <Hikefu> coldhak, try install dvd+rwtools
[05:29] <Hikefu> dvd+rw-tools
[05:31] <coldhak> already the newest version
[05:32] <coldhak> looks like i was wrong about sudo detecting correctly
[05:33] <coldhak> Empty (0 Free for Data DVD+R: "cdrom0")
[05:33] <coldhak> :/
[05:44] <coldhak> detects a normal cd-r just fine
[05:45] <coldhak> le failure :(
[06:22] <Guits_> I tried to install xubuntu on usbdrv ...cannot get it right  is it supposed to be booting into live cd menu what do i do next
[09:10] <coldhak> <.< disgraceful, I'll have to boot to windows to burn a dvd
[09:31] <R1cochet> is there a way to get a dvd to play in xubuntu?
[09:31] <R1cochet> dvd movie
[09:35] <ncfi1013_> how can i get the opengl screensavers to work with nvidia-glx-96 graphics driver for the nvidia geforce 6100 graphics card? they have been installed but they are not working. the graphics driver works. the graphics card works. the opengl screensavers dont work.
[09:36] <R1cochet> ncfi1013_: will they work in preview?
[09:37] <ncfi1013_> the opengl screensavers do work in test mode
[09:37] <ncfi1013_> im sorry do NOT work in test mode
[09:38] <R1cochet> hmm then i dont know
[09:38] <ncfi1013_> what is acceleration?
[09:38] <R1cochet> i dunno
[09:39] <ncfi1013_> because i asked the same question somewhere else and they asked me if acceleration turned on for me
[09:40] <R1cochet> i would image it would be in the nvidia control panel
[09:41] <ncfi1013_> where would i find the nvidia control panel
[09:41] <R1cochet> applications>system>nvidia
[09:42] <R1cochet> if u have it installed
[09:42] <ncfi1013_> nvidia xserver settings?
[09:42] <R1cochet> yep
[09:47] <ncfi1013_> i didn't see acceleration. does that mean it is not installed?
[09:53] <R1cochet> ncfi1013_: i have no idea §orry man
[09:54] <R1cochet> when i had probs with the screensaver i had to add gnome-screensaver to autostarted apps
[09:59] <gabkdlly> R1cochet: chances are your dvds are encrypted.
[09:59] <gabkdlly> !dvd
[10:06] <R1cochet> gabkdlly: Thank ¥ou =)
[10:52] <iMax> how do I mount a floppy if I do not have a /dev/fd0?
[10:53] <iMax> probably the question needs to be: why do I not have a /dev/fd0?
[11:21] <fresto> I cant get the nvidia driver to work no matter what i do. I did as i always do and just install the nvidia-glx-new package, set nvidia as the driver in xorg.conf and reboot. But nope.
[11:22] <fresto> but i end up in vesa land
[11:26] <gabkdlly> iMax: sounds like a bug.  is it perhaps living in /dev/ as an hd* or sd* device?
[11:27] <gabkdlly> iMax: if you are sure that your floppy drive is not broke, you should probably file a bug on launchpad
[11:28] <fresto> Im going to try an older kernel
[11:30] <iMax> gabkdlly: where would I be able to check what dev link points to the floppy?
[11:30] <iMax> gabkdlly: yes it worked when I had xp installed on that machine before
[11:57] <mib> does anyone know why my X looks like this: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/4/107702/Photos/2008-11-12-114350_1024x768_scrot.png or this: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/4/107702/Photos/2008-11-02-124147_1024x768_scrot.png
[12:15] <rajneesh> how can you mount windows partition
[12:17] <rajneesh> how can you mount windows partition
[12:18] <rajneesh> can any one help me
[12:25] <ablomen> !ntfs
[12:25] <ablomen> oh.. gone
[12:26] <ridoo> hi all
[12:27] <R1cochet> !NTFS-3g
[13:15] <gabkdlly> iMax: you might look at the output of dmesg.  For example: dmesg | grep Floppy
[14:40] <nitrospectide> i am considering setting up a xubuntu box for a fileserver... can anyone recommend a robust, easy to set up and use backup app that will do scheduled incrementals to an external usb drive? (ie please no command line or apps requiring fidgety setups)
[14:44] <TheSheep> nitrospectide: cron+rsync is the generally recognized stanard, unfortunatelly it's command line, so no
[14:48] <ablomen> nitrospectide, i'd take the time to learn cron and tar (and like TheSheep said rsync, if you want to backup (to) other pc's), it just requires a bit of reading and after that you have a solution thats solid as can be
[14:52] <nitrospectide> ok. thanks
[14:52] <ablomen> or look here: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+backup+gui&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[15:03] <shane_> hey anyone do the updates this morning
[15:20] <SmileeeM1> what is the difference between 8.10 alternative and 8.10 desktop
[15:20] <ablomen> SmileeeM1, the installer
[15:21] <ablomen> alternate cd is a text-based installer (which works about the same as the normal one) and the desktop version boots into a live cd and has a graphic installer
[15:23] <SmileeeM1> might try both cheers
[15:38] <vargavind> Hello! I'm trying to add more keyboard layouts to X (so I can shortcut them), but everywhere I search for a solution all points me to the file xorg.conf. Though that is an empty file for me. (Intrepid.) Any suggestions?
[15:39] <TheSheep> vargavind: see the release notes for intrepid
[15:39]  * vargavind checks (again)
[15:39] <TheSheep> vargavind: in particuler, search for xorg.conf
[15:40] <TheSheep> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[15:41] <vargavind> Ah, that one has more information than the one on the xubuntu.org site. Thanks for the link!
[16:17] <juanantonio> Hello, is there vidd?
[16:18] <vidd> juanantonio, yes
[16:18] <juanantonio> Helo, thanks for everything yesterday
[16:18] <juanantonio> I burnt the ISO CD for xubuntu with graphical installation
[16:19] <vidd> juanantonio, sorry to hear that
[16:19] <juanantonio> very little difference with Kubuntu when booting, by the way
[16:19] <juanantonio> And so?
[16:19] <vidd> it will make it much more difficult to do as i said that way
[16:20] <juanantonio> I pressed a key and it told me the message Changing to mode only text
[16:20] <vidd> well...good luck..... you want the cli only install
[16:21] <juanantonio> Cli only, no Mode only text
[16:22] <vidd> juanantonio, i never used the graphic installer....so i dont know
[16:22] <vidd> i dont think you can install a cli only with it
[16:23] <juanantonio> Ok, thanks. Only one question, if I install LXDE as you told me, can I install later if neccessary Xfce environment?
[16:24] <vidd> yes
[16:24] <vidd> you can also install lxde environment after you install xfce
[16:24] <juanantonio> I think I'm going to try as you told me. Point one: alternate ISO CD burnt,
[16:24] <vidd> yes...or.....
[16:25] <vidd> if you will have internet access on that machine, get the mini iso
[16:25] <vidd> !mini
[16:26]  * vidd likes the mini because it is one disk to install any *buntu
[16:26] <juanantonio> Ah, buff, this is difficult, patience with me
[16:26] <vidd> juanantonio, the mini iso is <10MB
[16:26] <vidd> and lets you install everything from the internet
[16:27] <juanantonio> So what will i MAKE WITH THIS MINI-iso?
[16:27] <juanantonio> Capitals, sorry
[16:27] <vidd> when it boots, you type "cli"
[16:27] <juanantonio> I will have to accep everything and then, LXDE install
[16:28] <vidd> to get the choice of what versions you want, you would tytpe nothing and hit enter
[16:28] <juanantonio> Ajá
[16:28] <juanantonio> I see, sorry
[16:28] <vidd> juanantonio, "accept everything" is just the cli
[16:28] <juanantonio> I hit enter
[16:29] <vidd> juanantonio, you want the cli
[16:29] <juanantonio> Yes
[16:29] <juanantonio> And then?
[16:29] <vidd> if you do not type cli, you will be offered to add a desktop environment
[16:30] <vidd> once the install is complete, reboot and "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[16:30] <juanantonio> Ok, sorry, it is a little time that I left impossible Vista 32, it is very clear, I suppose
[16:31] <juanantonio> when the install is complete, I will have the bash
[16:31] <vidd> yes
[16:31] <vidd> in bash, you type "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[16:32] <juanantonio> And this way I will have a very light desktop and all the Ubuntu repos
[16:32] <vidd> once that is done, you can reboot and you have a desktop environment
[16:32] <vidd> juanantonio, yes
[16:32] <juanantonio> it is a good idea, my friend. I am writing everything so as not to forget a simple thing
[16:33] <vidd> i am about to do a fresh install on this machine.....so i will be back in about an hour
[16:33] <vidd> if you can talk on one machine while installing on the other, i can walk you through it all
[16:33] <juanantonio> Thank you for your time and patience with the new people in Linux
[16:34] <vidd> juanantonio, i was one of those new people once
[16:34] <vidd> =]
[16:34] <juanantonio> I supposed so, man ;)
[16:35] <juanantonio> I am fed up with Windows, that is why I want to Linux all my machines
[16:35] <vidd> i am about to switch to a different machine
[16:36] <vidd> so i can do a fresh install on this one
[16:36] <juanantonio> I am going to download and burn in a CDRW the alt as you told me
[16:36] <juanantonio> Ok, continue ;)
[16:36] <vidd> juanantonio, no internet access?
[16:37] <vidd> if you have internet access, i recomend the mini
[16:37] <juanantonio> No on the machine I want to install in this moment, I will move house
[16:37] <vidd> ok
[16:37] <juanantonio> but the pc already there waiting for me and the new one, huhuhu
[16:39] <juanantonio> lxde is on this CD, is that right?
[16:41] <juanantonio> vidd, sorry agian, lxde is in the alternate CD for Xubuntu 8.10, is that right?
[16:41] <juanantonio> Or will I need to download it appart?
[16:41] <vidd> juanantonio, it is in the repos.....
[16:42] <vidd> so you will be able to install it once you have the cli installed
[16:42] <juanantonio> So to run sudo and so on, I need to have internet
[16:43] <vidd> juanantonio, no
[16:43] <vidd> the repos are on the disk
[16:44] <juanantonio> sorry, I am burning this CD and leave you a little calmed ;)
[16:45] <juanantonio> but thanks you very very much
[16:45] <juanantonio> I have all the things more or less clear
[16:45] <vidd> having internet access will help, but isa not required
[16:47] <juanantonio> Ok. Lxde is not visible through Kubuntu Adept, is that right?
[16:48] <vidd> juanantonio, on 8.10?
[16:48] <juanantonio> 8.04
[16:49] <vidd> juanantonio, that is why
[16:49] <vidd> juanantonio, lxde is in the repos in 8.10....not 8.04
[16:50] <juanantonio> Perfect, I need to download Xubuntu alt 8.10
[16:54] <juanantonio> Is that right, vidd?
[16:54] <vidd> yes
[16:55] <juanantonio> Ok, thank you for everything, going to download it
[17:03] <juanantonio> I have broken W98SE in this PC, any special caution when installing this lxde Ubuntu when partitioning?
[17:05] <vidd> no
[17:05] <vidd> you can just wipe it out if it does not work
[17:06] <juanantonio> The thing is that I need the files contained in it
[17:08] <vidd> then use that live cd you downloaded before to access those files and get them off that system
[17:10] <juanantonio> Uhu, you mean format in Linux the hard drives?
[17:10] <zoredache> he means back them up to somewhere else first
[17:13] <juanantonio> Ok
[17:13] <juanantonio> Will I be able to make this with Live CD Install?
[17:14] <juanantonio> I have two drives, the C. obviously is the boot, the D is FAT32 with no problems for Linux
[17:18] <vidd> juanantonio, is the data on the c drive or the d drive?
[17:21] <juanantonio> Data are in both, but most of it are in D, in C there is Windows and some data
[17:24] <vidd> juanantonio, i would recommend that you get all the data to one location
[17:24] <juanantonio> Hey, BitTorrent servers are wonderful
[17:25] <juanantonio> Mmm, so you recommend me to send everything to D, and then I can smash W98SE
[17:31] <vidd> juanantonio, whatever disk you want to send it to is (mostly) irrelevant
[17:33] <juanantonio> D is bigger than C ;)
[17:34] <vidd> juanantonio, then dump the data onto c
[17:36] <vidd> then you might want to swap the drives so that d is the master and c is the salve....install linux on the largewr drive, and set the smaller drive as active, not to format and labled "windows" (or something similar) so that your system will see the drive and be able to access it after the install
[17:39] <juanantonio> Uhu...and this way will I be able to enter Winows failsafe when neccessary?
[17:40] <english> hi
[17:41] <english> is xfce 4.2.3 in xubuntu 8.10?
[17:41] <coldhak> yes.
[17:41] <vidd> juanantonio, well....actually, the idea is to rescue the data into the linux system, and then purge all traces of windows =]
[17:41] <coldhak> erm, wait....
[17:41] <english> http://www.xfce.org/
[17:42] <english> 30 October 2008
[17:42] <coldhak> "Xubuntu 8.10, which brings a host of excellent improvements built on the rock solid Xfce 4.4.2" no
[17:42] <vidd> so far as i know, is the latest version
[17:42] <english> xfce 4.4.3 release
[17:42] <vidd> 4.2.2
[17:42] <vidd> english, if you want 4.2.3 you have to manually install it
[17:43] <english> I have a mistake
[17:43] <english> was 4.4.3
[17:44] <english> Can I upgrade to xfce 4.4.3?
[17:44] <vidd> yes...manually....
[17:44] <vidd> not via the repos
[17:44] <english> T_T
[17:45] <english> and backports?
[17:45] <juanantonio> Thank you vidd, that's a perfect idea
[17:46] <vidd> english, if it was in the backports...it would be in the repos =\
[17:46] <english> u.u
[17:46] <english> ok thanks
[17:46] <english> bye
[17:54] <juanantonio> How would I purge w from C once I back all the data? Formatting in Linux type?
[17:55] <vidd> juanantonio, there are many ways to do so
[17:57] <juanantonio> Ok, I will annoy with it once I back up all the data through Xubuntu Live CD ;)
[17:58] <vidd> juanantonio, is there no way to network your two computers together?
[17:58] <vidd> juanantonio, i ask because if you could, you can move all the data off the system entirely
[17:59] <vidd> and then have the install set up the entire system
[18:00] <juanantonio> Buff, my friend, I have no the knowledges, hehehe, but besides, W98SE is very net unfriendly
[18:00] <juanantonio> I have two other PCs and never could, when I broght them there, connect them in a local net
[18:00] <vidd> juanantonio, this may be true...but *buntu is very net friendly =]
[18:01] <juanantonio> Hehehe, yes. But I still don't know how to start making a net with Buntu
[18:01] <juanantonio> I think the application is Samba
[18:01] <juanantonio> and this is all I know about nets in Linux
[18:20] <vidd> why can you not make cli-only on the alt cd anymore?
[18:24] <zoredache> vidd: you can if you go the expert route...  You could also do it if you simply provide the correct boot string
[18:27] <Jim_Fulner> hello?
[18:27] <zoredache> vidd: the difference between a normal and a cli install is cli install has this included in the append at boot 'tasks=standard pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false '
[18:27] <TheSheep> !hi | Jim_Fulner
[18:27] <vidd> hello Jim_Fulner
[18:27] <Jim_Fulner> greetings. i be new
[18:28] <Jim_Fulner> so first things first what does NFO]	This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it). mean?
[18:28] <vidd> we need to get the cli-only option back on the alt cd
[18:29] <zoredache> vidd: I don't remeber it being on the alt cd for quite a while...  It is still on the mini.iso
[18:29] <vidd> Jim_Fulner, that your nick name is not registered and you should register it
[18:29] <Jim_Fulner> so how do I do that?
[18:29] <vidd> enter /motd as instructed for info
[18:30] <Jim_Fulner> when I type that nothing happens
[18:30] <vidd> it is displayed in the server channel....not the chat room channel
[18:35] <vidd> zoredache, im at the boot: screen .... what should i type?
[18:36] <zoredache> I believe simply typing 'linux tasks=standard' is enough.  But I am not certain
[18:37] <juanantonio> vidd, I will be able to do all the things once I have inserted the Live CD and then back up all my files
[18:38] <vidd> juanantonio, once the data is backed up, you can install as normal
[18:40] <juanantonio> Yes, I understood that. Thanks for everything, I have the CD burnt and everything clear in my mind
[18:53] <vidd> wubi does not upgrade nicely =\
[18:58] <juanantonio> I return later, see you
[19:14] <jochen> ups
[19:16] <jochen> hello, can anybody help me to setup wireless network ? are there any available user interfaces ?
[19:16] <vidd> jochen, what kind of help do you need?
[19:16] <vidd> do you have a wireless router already set up?
[19:20] <jochen> yes. i am using fritzbox. It already worked, but after some updates it does not work. i am using linksys 54g card with b43 driver, xubuntu 8.10. In 8.04 i hag a network-manager gui with a list of my networkcards. but this gui is not available any more.
[19:21] <vidd> jochen, ic.... i fragged the nm manager because of this and installed wicd instead
[19:23] <vidd> im sure there is a way to use nm manager to reset up your network...but i dont know how
[19:41] <deathtome> !ntfs
[19:41] <deathtome> !fuse
[19:52] <deathtome> i have an external usb hdd mounted but i have no write access
[19:53] <deathtome> went through steps for mounting ntfs drives with ntfs-3
[19:53] <vidd> deathtome, sudo chown -Rf [mountpoint]
[19:54] <vidd> deathtome, sudo chown -Rf [username:groupname] [mountpoint]
[19:54] <deathtome> vidd: when u say mount point u mean /media/.....
[19:54] <vidd> this may not work if it is ntfs
[19:54] <vidd> yes'
[19:56] <lexaux> hi.
[19:56] <lexaux> Guys, has anyone noticed that xfce4-mixer manages sound level in a linear manner, not logarithmic, and thus 70% of its settings are unusable?
[19:57] <zoredache> deathtome: when you mounted it with ntfs-3g did you mount it as yourself or root?  You'll want to mount it as yourself
[19:59] <deathtome> i did it as myself w/ ntfs tool
[20:01] <deathtome> tried chown and still not working
[20:03] <deathtome> also on permissions tab in properties says owner root
[20:19] <deathtome> any other ideas?
[20:27] <deathtome> brb
[20:53] <DetroitLibertyPe> VERIFY REGISTER DetroitLibertyPe oivxcmckddps
[20:54] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, thank you for posting your password
[20:54] <zoredache> you might want to try a different password
[20:54] <DetroitLibertyPe> SWEET!
[20:54] <DetroitLibertyPe> hurray for openess!
[20:54] <zoredache> oh, and as a generaly rule it is much better to login before you join channels
[20:55] <DetroitLibertyPe> well if i had any idea what I was doing I'd do that
[21:20] <vidd> i am no longer recommending any install method except the mini iso =\
[21:25] <Odd-rationale> vidd: why's that?
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> e.g. i would not reccomend using the mini.iso over dialup... ;)
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> but the good thing is, you do automaitcally get the latest version of packages...
[21:26] <stweston> how do I update the distro to 8.10?
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> !update
[21:27] <stweston> no ubottu?
[21:27] <stweston> !update
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> oh dear...
[21:27] <stweston> ...
[21:27] <vidd> Odd-rationale, cuzz its a pain in the @$$ to remove all the dsesktop stuff
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> yeah, ubotu just left in the netsplit...
[21:27] <stweston> XD
[21:28] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you can do a command line install from the alternative disk as well... in fact, that is probably the standard way...
[21:28] <vidd> stweston, update-manager -d
[21:28] <stweston> vidd: eh? what about WITH Server?
[21:28] <vidd> Odd-rationale, PLEASE tell me how!
[21:28] <Odd-rationale> stweston: sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[21:28] <stweston> Odd-rationale: okay. thanks
[21:28] <vidd> stweston, you have cli only and want to upgrade?
[21:29] <stweston> vidd: no. I have Xubuntu AND Server, and want to upgrade.
[21:29] <stweston> on the same machine.
[21:29] <Odd-rationale> vidd: on when the cd boots up, you have to press f4 or f6 ( i forgot which one) for more options to choose to install command line install.
[21:29] <vidd> Odd-rationale, did not see that option
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you will see if you use the alternative 8.10 disk.
[21:30] <vidd> Odd-rationale, only have .04
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you have to press i think F4...
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: yeah, 8.04 is the same way.
[21:31] <vidd> Odd-rationale, F4 gives only "Normal"
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> vidd: is this the alternative disk?
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> or desktop?
[21:32] <vidd> alt
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> ok. well, after you select a lagnuage, you have to press F4 to see a list of options...
[21:34] <vidd> Odd-rationale, when i pressed f4 the only option was "Normal"
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> vidd: what about F6? or is that the kernel options menu?
[21:36] <stweston> also, where are USB devices located under Linux?
[21:36] <stweston> under dev?
[21:36] <stweston> er... /dev?
[21:36] <vidd> Odd-rationale, that is the kernel options
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> stweston: try "sudo fdisk -l"
[21:36] <stweston> okay.
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> lowercase L
[21:36] <stweston> okay... why?
[21:36] <stweston> whazzit do?
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> stweston: lists all partitons
[21:37] <stweston> aah.
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> vidd: brb, let me try booting mine up...
[21:37] <stweston> Odd-rationale: what am I supposed to look for?
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> vidd: k, mine shows it in the f4 menu... idk why your's doesnt....
[21:42] <vidd> me either
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> stweston: you will see the /dev/ of all partitions...
[21:42] <stweston> Odd-rationale: what about my USB device?
[21:42] <stweston> I need that to install something, apparrently... kinda.
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> stweston: if it is connected, it should be listed... you should recognize it by it's size...
[21:43] <stweston> okay...
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> for example, if you got a 4gb usd stick, you will see a heading like "Disk /dev/sdb: 4.0 GB... " etc
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> *usb
[21:44] <stweston> okay.
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> gtg... bbl
[21:44] <stweston> thanks
[21:47] <vidd> how do you manually set dns in this new nm?
[21:48] <TheSheep> vidd: sudo vim /etc/resolv.conf
[21:49] <Marcha> Народ
[21:49] <Marcha> Кто щас не занят?
[21:50] <TheSheep> !ru | Marcha
[21:50] <Marcha> У меня там бан
[21:50] <Marcha> У меня там бан
[21:50] <TheSheep> !ur
[21:51] <TheSheep> hmm..
[21:51] <TheSheep> no Ukraine :/
[21:51] <Marcha> Не может быть
[21:51] <atarinox> Hi,
[21:51] <stweston> hi atarinox
[21:52] <atarinox> I was wondering if somebody might help me with a slow internet problem
[21:52] <TheSheep> Marcha: we can't understand you, speak English please, or see the channels in other languages
[21:52] <atarinox> i'm using a RT2500 card
[21:52] <atarinox> and the default intrepid drivers
[21:52] <Marcha> Та иди ты
[21:53] <atarinox> My wireless signal strength is consistently around 50%...and it takes ages to load web pages
[21:58] <atarinox> Or...how can i go about installing a different driver?
[22:00] <spowney> he
[22:00] <spowney> hey
[22:01] <spowney> how come when i use fdisk -l im getting cannot open /sda, /sdb, etc
[22:01] <stweston> have you done it with sudo?
[22:01] <spowney> lol
[22:01] <stweston> ?
[22:01] <stweston> well, have you?
[22:01] <spowney> sorry laughing at myself
[22:01] <spowney> cheers
[22:01] <stweston> oh.
[22:01] <spowney> ty for help
[22:02] <stweston> yup!
[22:02] <stweston> no problem
[22:29] <DetroitLibertyPe> does anybody know why when I edited my X11.config to allow the scroll buttons on my trackball to work, then Xubuntu would not shut down properly?
[23:19] <DetroitLibertyPe> so, nobody  on why getting my mouse to works makes the PC not shut down properly?


[07:41] <tomboy64> is it possible to get notified about updates on an untrusted archive that's listed within launchpad?
[07:41] <tomboy64> via e-mail, that is
[09:40] <__marco> hello
[09:44] <__marco> I cannot understand the workflow for a merge (after a proposal). specifically how can I merge the request? I have two local branches, the master and a bug fix, and two remote branches, the master and the bug fix. If I merge locally the branch and the push the changes to lauchpad, will the merge proposal closed?
[09:45] <__marco> this thing of local/remote branches is confusing me
[09:48] <__marco> even more the help of launchpad is quite confusing. here[*] it explains a bit the code review process but at the end, making the merge, it links to a bazaar page where it explains command `bzr merge` but nothing about the merge on launchpad. [*] https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review
[09:49] <__marco> Am I correct if I suppose that making the local merge and pushing the changes to launchpad, the code review process will be closed?
[09:50] <czajkowski> __marco: are you making changes to launchpad itself ?
[09:51] <__marco> the code behind the lauchpad site? (zope, etc?) no
[09:52] <__marco> I'm sorry I think I don't understand you question
[09:52] <czajkowski> when you were talking about review process I thought you were asking about the LP workflow and getting  your code reviewed
[09:53] <__marco> no, I was talking about the tools that launchpad offers to make the code review of a generic project
[09:58] <__marco> czajkowski: do you want I rephrase the question to make it clearer?
[10:02] <czajkowski> __marco: if StevenK or wgrant are around they may be able to help if not I suggest posting to the mailing list
[10:02] <__marco> czajkowski: thanks
[10:05] <__marco> where is located the launchpad users mailing list?
[10:05] <__marco> nm
[11:45] <davidbaumann> Hello together
[11:45] <davidbaumann> I have submitted my first Bug, but I guess I did wrong whatever is possible to do so ;)
[11:45] <davidbaumann> #1170463
[11:46] <czajkowski> davidbaumann: that's an ubuntu bug not launchpad
[11:46] <czajkowski> davidbaumann: perhaps #ubuntu will be able to help you.
[11:46] <davidbaumann> Ah ok.
[11:47] <davidbaumann> Yes of course, it's not a launchpad bug ;)
[16:27] <teolemon> we're seing many timeouts on "unstranslated items" links on rosetta since a few days. have you pushed anything or noticed anychange on the servers logs ?
[16:27] <czajkowski> teolemon: do you have an ooops id
[16:28] <czajkowski> as we've not done anything
[16:28] <teolemon> OOPS-c549e2386ec8a5db1d7cb1f7f67c42ff
[16:28] <teolemon> this one for instance
[16:29] <teolemon> related to a simple:
[16:29] <teolemon> https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/quantal/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-universe/fr/+translate?show=untranslated
[16:29] <teolemon> which usually works well
[16:30] <czajkowski> k will log the bug for it
[16:30] <czajkowski> teolemon: what are you doing whe you see the oops?
[16:30] <teolemon> just clicking from the summary page on the untranslated count
[16:31] <czajkowski> we have a few translaton bugs that are critical already
[16:31] <teolemon> one hint: nightmonkey is back into action, so there might be more translators working on the template at the same time
[16:31] <czajkowski> I'm wondering is it one of them
[16:31] <teolemon> not sure whether it is supposed to impact
[16:41] <czajkowski> teolemon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/736005
[16:42] <teolemon> should i add the fact that the show=untranslated argument is making things worse
[16:42] <teolemon> or not necessary ?
[16:43] <czajkowski> teolemon: can do
[16:43] <teolemon> (I'm already susbscribed to the bug)
[16:56] <teolemon> it comes to the point where i can't review any suggestions anymore
[16:56] <teolemon> i've been refreshing the page for 10 minutes, and translations pile up every hour
[16:57] <czajkowski> teolemon: the page is working fine for me, so maybe just keep hitting refresh
[16:58] <teolemon> got it ten sec ago
[16:58] <czajkowski> but bug isn't on the schedule to be fixed atm although they are working through criticals
[16:58] <teolemon> aaaand it's gone for the next one
[16:58] <teolemon> i'll refresh for another ten minutes :-)
[17:24] <teolemon> i now got a Please try again page
[17:24] <teolemon> which is not a OOPS


[00:01] <drstikko> StevenK: yes this all succeeded and packages are build, but no binaries. Where does the build system gets his info from for placing the binaries? From the install step in the Makefile?
[00:02] <StevenK> drstikko: Can you link me to the recipe page, and I'll have a look?
[00:03] <drstikko> yes of course
[00:04] <drstikko> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~d-r-stikkolorum/+recipe/dporg-daily
[00:11] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: yes, a build on launchpad does both. You might be missing stuff in your debian/control file (so no binaries get built)
[00:15] <drstikko> JonnyJD_: I think they even get build, but not added to the deb. I think the builder gets info from the Makefile
[00:15] <drstikko> .... for placing the binairies e.g. in /usr/bin
[00:16] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: the builder does not "get info from makefile"
[00:16] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: the builder uses the makefile
[00:16] <JonnyJD_> possibly the makefile is not prepared to do standard things like DESTDIR (not autotools build?)
[00:16] <drstikko> JonnyJD: I understand,
[00:17] <JonnyJD_> check your debian/rules, or link them here, somebody might find the problem
[00:17] <drstikko> JonnyJD, wel I discovered there was no make install step in the Makefile
[00:17] <drstikko> .... so I added that
[00:18] <drstikko> .... but I have no quota anymore for today ;)
[00:18] <JonnyJD_> how does your debian/rules work? using debhelper?
[00:19] <drstikko> JonnyJD: I used debhelper
[00:19] <drstikko> ... did not changed the rule file
[00:19] <drstikko> and use a Makefile
[00:19] <maxb> No 'make install' implementation would certainly account for not getting anything installed :-)
[00:20] <maxb> It's generally wrong for a package to be installing into /usr/local/ though
[00:20] <JonnyJD_> hm, then fixing the install target in the makefile to use the DESTDIR and/or PREFIX environment variables might help (don't know which exactly, but DESTDIR would be my first)
[00:20] <drstikko> maxb: yes, ;) I also thought that, but could not try it, too many builds today
[00:21] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: you can also build locally first
[00:21] <maxb> LP isn't really meant as a service for practising building things, you should just do that on your local computer
[00:21] <drstikko> JonnyJD_ : added it to the Makefile, can try it tomorrow
[00:22] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: try bzr builddeb and "pbuilder" for local builds
[00:22] <drstikko> max: yes you are probably right
[00:22] <drstikko> ... but local was not working
[00:22] <drstikko> ok JonnyJD, thnx
[00:23] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: I do "bzr builddeb -S" to create the dsc and "cd ../build-area && pbuilder build <dsc file>"
[00:23] <JonnyJD_> but explaining how that works exactly is a bit much for now on IRC (you'll find something on google)
[00:24] <maxb> pbuilder is a helpful tool for replicating builds in a clean environment, but there's no need to go to that extent just to develop things like Makefiles
[00:25] <maxb> It should be perfectly fine to just run 'dpkg-buildpackage -b' in a local bzr tree
[00:26] <drstikko> ok I'll give it a try locally
[00:27] <JonnyJD_> maxb, drstikko: well, yes. If you have a nice debian environment for building you can also go without. I use pbuilder to make sure I have a clean build environment/system
[00:29] <maxb> A clean-chroot approach is a valuable tool, but can make development more cumbersome when you're rapidly changing things and rebuilding
[00:30] <drstikko> wel dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/dporg_0.3-15-1.diff.qKJfrd
[00:30] <drstikko> ... is what I get from bzr builddeb -S
[00:31] <drstikko> and dpkg-buildpackage -b calls the wrong qmake
[00:33] <maxb> I don't know much (anything) about qmake, but perhaps your package should be specifying the correct one somehow
[00:34] <maxb> As for the other - it means you have changes in your bzr tree that don't match the upstream tarball, and aren't properly represented as patches
[00:35] <maxb> You have a very strange version string too - it's generally considered unusual to have more than one hyphen
[00:35] <drstikko> maxb: ok I will give it a look tomorrow
[00:36] <drstikko> heading for bed now, all new to me this environment
[00:36] <drstikko> thn guys
[00:36] <maxb> The hyphen serves as the separator between the upstream version and the packaging version - whilst there's a systematic definition of how to interpret versions with multiple hyphens, it's generally considered too confusing to be wise to rely on
[08:43] <drstikko> Anyone can help me out with dpkg-buildpackage to force to qmake-qt4 in stead of qmake
[08:52] <AndChat|358400> Can anyone help me out with forcing dpkg-buildpackage use qmake-qt4 in stead of qmake ?
[10:08] <Pomyk_> hello, I have a problem with a branch, it's stuck in "updating branch...": https://code.launchpad.net/~pomyks/maria/10.0-per-query-variables
[10:26] <drstikko> who knows how to force dpkg-buildpackage to use qmake-qt4
[10:26] <drstikko> ?
[10:30] <wgrant> drstikko: Have you tried the --buildsystem=qmake_qt4 option to dh?
[10:33] <drstikko> wgrant not yet :) going to try
[10:40] <wgrant> Pomyk_: I've fixed that branch up.
[10:41] <drstikko> wgrant how to add that? just in the rules file? (I see  I cannot add it to the dpkg-buildpackage command))
[10:41] <wgrant> drstikko: That would go as an argument to the dh invocation in your debian/rules file.
[10:41] <drstikko> I tried but does not accept it
[10:42] <Pomyk_> wgrant: thanks!
[10:43] <wgrant> drstikko: What do you mean?
[10:43] <drstikko> wgrant rules file is very empty: %: dh $@  , the rest is in the Makefile
[10:43] <wgrant> drstikko: dh --buildsystem=qmake_qt4 $@
[10:43] <drstikko> yes I tried that
[10:43] <wgrant> What didn't work?
[10:44] <drstikko> wgrant dh: Unknown sequence --buildsystem=qmake_qt4 (options should not come before the sequence)
[10:44] <wgrant> Ah, other way around, then
[10:47] <drstikko> wgrant like this : --buildsystem=qmake_qt4 dh $@   ?
[10:47] <wgrant> dh $@ --buildsystem=qmake_qt4
[10:49] <drstikko> wgrant: that worked better!! only error at the end: dh_usrlocal: debian/dporg/usr/local/bin/dporg is not a directory
[10:49] <drstikko> rmdir: failed to remove `debian/dporg/usr/local/bin': Directory not empty
[10:49] <drstikko> dh_usrlocal: rmdir debian/dporg/usr/local/bin returned exit code 1
[10:49] <drstikko> dporg is my executable
[10:50] <wgrant> Your Makefile shouldn't be installing things into /usr/local.
[10:50] <wgrant> Packages aren't to contain anything in that subtree.
[10:50] <drstikko> wgrant: ok what location then?
[10:51] <wgrant> One would usually use /usr/bin etc. rather than /usr/local/bin. /usr/local is for non-packaged files.
[10:56] <drstikko> wgrant, that worked, I had to use sudo also I noticed.
[10:57] <cjwatson> You should never need to use sudo in packaging.
[10:57] <wgrant> drstikko: You must not use sudo in debian/rules
[10:57] <cjwatson> Sounds like you were trying to install into /usr/bin rather than debian/dporg/usr/bin ...
[10:59] <drstikko> wgrant, cjwatson, but dpkg-buildpackage -b gave me: rm: cannot remove `debian/dporg/DEBIAN/md5sums': Permission denied
[10:59] <drstikko>  and I whole bunch of those
[11:02] <wgrant> drstikko: That's what will happen if you run bits of it with sudo.
[11:02] <wgrant> Because root will have created things.
[11:02] <wgrant> Perhaps 'sudo debian/rules clean' once to get rid of the root-owned files.
[11:03] <drstikko> wgrant, clwatson ;) yes noticed that!! Fixed now, thanks works great!
[11:07] <cjwatson> In future use fakeroot rather than sudo.
[14:01] <sreedevi> Hello, I am trying to fix one minor bug in launchpad. I pushed my committed branch, Could you please verify my fix, This is my first bug, Please help me
[14:01] <sreedevi> My bug link is:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/secure-delete/+bug/1245415
[14:01] <czajkowski> sreedevi: the folks on LP are in AU timezones
[14:01] <czajkowski> you may not get a reply here
[14:02] <czajkowski> have you thought of posting it to the mailing list for feedback/.review?
[14:02] <cjwatson> That isn't a fix in Launchpad - you should look in Ubuntu channels for review, not here
[14:03] <sreedevi> czajkowski: Whom should I subscribe in launchpad to get my fix verified, Can you please help me with this
[14:03] <czajkowski> cjwatson: morning
[14:03] <cjwatson> You'd only look for reviewers here (or indeed #launchpad-dev) if it were a fix to Launchpad itself, rather than to a project hosted on Launchapd
[14:03] <cjwatson> sreedevi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[14:03] <czajkowski> ah I didnt check to see if it wasn't lp realted given the user was posting in here
[14:04] <cjwatson> czajkowski: morning, or something
[14:04] <czajkowski> cjwatson: so messed up on times :/ going to be a long week
[14:05] <sreedevi> Thank you
[14:18] <adam345> maria mercedes
[15:11] <cgregan1> Hello Launchpad team. I moved an internal Canonical Project (checkbox-ihv-ng) over to private license so the bugs can be made private. But now it seems I need to "buy" a commercial license. Who do I need to send some lp karma bucks over to for that? TA
[15:12] <czajkowski> cgregan1: just mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and they can apply the commerical voodoo needed :)
[15:12] <cgregan1> awesome..thanks czajkowski
[15:12] <czajkowski> np
[16:00] <drstikko> Hi my recipe contains :  # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}-0~{revno} and results in dporg - 0.3-15-0~21~ubuntu12.04.1 I was told this is not a neat version number. What would be the right line in the recipe or do I have to change the control file?
[17:35] <drstikko> Hi my recipe contains :  # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}-0~{revno} and results in dporg - 0.3-15-0~21~ubuntu12.04.1 I was told this is not a neat version number. What would be the right line in the recipe or do I have to change the control file?
[17:44] <dobey> drstikko: #ubuntu-packaging is the right place to ask, but {debupstream}+r{revno}-{revno:packaging} (with packaging in a different branch), is what i usually use. you need to not have multiple '-' characters in your version string. it's a bit weird that one is included in the {debupstream} portion there.
[19:46] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: you can replace the first - with ~ in debian/changelog
[19:55] <drstikko> JonnyJD_:  for me the format is not clear, I think fiirst I need to see some examples
[19:57] <JonnyJD_> the format in the recipe is fine, but your upstream version doesn't seem to be
[20:02] <drstikko> I think that's the part I don't get
[20:02] <drstikko> how do I change upstream info?
[20:03] <drstikko> I like to have it like dporg_0.3-24 where 24 is the revision number
[20:03] <drstikko> or is that crappy?
[20:05] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: upstream shouldn't have a revision number
[20:05] <JonnyJD_> if that is the upstream build revison, then remove it
[20:06] <JonnyJD_> if this is part of the actual (source) version, change it so no - is used anymore
[20:09] <dobey> that's not really how the revision number should be, unless the only revissions in the branch, are packaging (but even so, may cause problems to use it that way)
[20:13] <drstikko> first of all, I just wrote a tool and like to share it with launchpad, is that what you call upstream? (sorry new to this). I think it is not mature enough to give it a 1.x number. So that's why I decided to choose 0.3 at the moment. I thought minor changes maybe could be after 0.3- so for example 0.3-24. How would one do this normally?
[20:16] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: have a look at http://semver.org
[20:16] <JonnyJD_> in short: you should use 0.3.24 as a version number
[20:21] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: and since you are also respsonsible for upstream: keep that separated
[20:22] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: other people should be able to package your stuff easily, too
[20:23] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: the workflow is like that: with your "upstream hat" you release 0.3.54. Then with your "packager hat" you create packaging starting with -0drstikko1
[20:23] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: if you change something in the packaging you release with 0drstikko2 (source didn't change, but packaging did)
[20:24] <drstikko> okay the 0.3.24 I could follow ;)
[20:24] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: that -0 is because there is no official Debian package you are changing and drstikko because this is your packaging (-0ubuntu1 is used for official ubuntu packaging afaik)
[20:25] <drstikko> and the I start a new branch wit 0.4 right?
[20:25] <JonnyJD_> if that is a new branch or the same branch is up to you
[20:25] <drstikko> ok
[20:25] <JonnyJD_> but if you add things to the "API", as in "change how the tool can be used" than go to 0.4
[20:26] <JonnyJD_> if everything gets "stable" then you should relese 1.0 and then 1.0.x for small changes and 1.1 for backwards compatible features
[20:26] <JonnyJD_> 2.0 is then for backwards incompatible changes
[20:27] <drstikko> yes ok, so complete name would be dporg_0.3-25-0drstikko1 ?
[20:28] <JonnyJD_> drstikko:  dporg-0.3.25-0drstikko1
[20:28] <JonnyJD_> but you only put 0.3.25-0drstikko1 in debian/changelog
[20:29] <JonnyJD_> you don't have to do the -0drstikko1 stuff, (you can also just do -1), but this helps if ubuntu or debian build packages later on
[20:29] <JonnyJD_> (official non-ppa packages)
[20:30] <drstikko> ok. so you just manually add the stuff to the changelog? I thought it has to be automated
[20:30] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: what you might be referring to is building from revisions, not from version tags?
[20:31] <drstikko> I think, but don't know for shure
[20:31] <JonnyJD_> when you build from revisions, then you just leave your last stable release in debian/changelog and note in the recipe that you do git packages or similar
[20:32] <drstikko> what do you mean by that?
[20:32] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: an example for stable builds: https://code.launchpad.net/~musicbrainz-developers/+recipe/python-discid
[20:33] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: and for daily git builds: https://code.launchpad.net/~musicbrainz-developers/+recipe/python-discid-daily
[20:34] <JonnyJD_> basically you add +git<revno> after {debupstream} and then -0drstikko{revno:packaging}
[20:35] <JonnyJD_> this makes sure that different git/bzr revisions get a new "source version" and whenever packaging changes, the build revision also changes
[20:37] <drstikko> I think I was trying to link revision numbers with version numbers. But I think version numbers you 'just' decide and revisons of course increment automatically
[20:37] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: if your "debian" folder is actually part of the source, then you don't need {revno:packaging} since package changes are also code changes
[20:37] <JonnyJD_> I want to note that having "debian" part of the "upstream" source isn't the best thing to do, but it works
[20:38] <JonnyJD_> basically because you should separte you with the "upstream hat" and "packaging hat", other packagers might not want to use your "debian" folder
[20:39] <drstikko> ok. will try to change that later. First want to tackle this version stuff ;)
[20:39] <JonnyJD_> and yes, you decide version numbers with your "upstream hat" and packaging revisions with your "packager hat".
[20:41] <JonnyJD_> you would now just have in your debian/changelog 0.3.24-0drstikko1 now and {debupstream}+bzr{revno}-0drstikko1 in your recipe
[20:41] <drstikko> ok, thnx JonnyJD_ I will first try to make a nice versionned build.
[20:42] <drstikko> and the fix this debian folder issue, but where do I put it? Or is that a long story?
[20:43] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: you can have a different bzr repo just with "debian" and "nest" it in the recipe
[20:43] <drstikko> ah ok
[20:44] <JonnyJD_> you can also remove it from "upstream" repo, but include both in a launchpad repo (you still need to use nesting for bzr/git builds though)
[20:45] <JonnyJD_> and every time you make a stable releas, you merge upstream source in a launchpad repo where you also have a "debian" folder
[20:45] <JonnyJD_> there are multiple options, but your "real" upstream repository shouldn't include it
[20:46] <drstikko> ok, thnx. I think I first need to clean the ppa and remove the old build if possible
[21:15] <drstikko> JonnyJD: how to remove the builds?
[21:22] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: you can only request deleting them, but your new builds will supercede the old ones anyways, I think
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> they should if they have higher version numbers
[21:22] <dobey> you can't upload things with lower version numbers
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> at least, as I understand the system
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[21:23] <JonnyJD_> there is some link on the upper right on your PPA for deletion, if you want to do it anyways
[21:23] <dobey> regardless of if you delete them
[21:23] <dobey> deleting them won't let you upload older versions
[21:23] <JonnyJD_> I remember the problem is that that is only a deletion request
[21:24] <JonnyJD_> so they are still there. And I am not sure if they are deleted at all if they were built successfully and published once
[21:25] <dobey> it's a request because it's a cron job that does the deletion
[21:25] <dobey> but it only deletes the files on disk. it doesn't delete the version information from the database
[21:25] <JonnyJD_> ah okay
[21:26] <drstikko> I just want to keep the build page clean from the moment my versionning is allright
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> i think the "Builds" list/page will still remain filled with the old data?
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> dobey: ^
[21:26] <JonnyJD_> drstikko: only the latest build shows anyways (except you explicitely show the others)
[21:27] <JonnyJD_> and the build page for a recipe only lists the last 5 builds anyways
[21:27] <drstikko> ok, thnx
[21:34] <dobey> TheLordOfTime: yes, though the +packages listing won't be
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> right
[22:22] <drstikko> can anyone advise me what to do with this above 12.04 ubuntu has libpoppler-qt4-4, but 10.04-12.04 have libpoppler-qt4-3. Is there a way to add this in the control file?
[22:22] <drstikko> because my tool depends on it
[22:33] <dobey> you don't. you just build-depends on libpoppler-qt4-dev and use ${shlibs:Depends} for the binary packages
[22:34] <dobey> and like i said earlier, #ubuntu-packaging is a better place to ask about packaging questions
[22:34] <dobey> this isn't the right place for it
[22:38] <drstikko> dobey: well I thought maybe the launchpad build system had something to do with it
[22:38] <dobey> no, it doesn't. :)
[22:47] <paultag> Any Soyuz-ers here?
[22:48] <paultag> If so, I'm wondering how Soyuz handles arch:all package creation - do all arches build arch:all debs and push up where the archive ignores second pushes or does it do an indep build first then do archful builds
[22:54] <tsimpson> afaik, i386 buildds build them
[22:54] <paultag> oh I see.
[22:54] <paultag> how does it handle stuff like some wireless firmware that needs to build on arm (even though one can install it anywhere)
[22:55] <tsimpson> I have no clue about that
[22:55] <paultag> ack
[22:55] <paultag> tsimpson: thanks for your help :)
[22:56] <tsimpson> sure
[22:57] <maxb> paultag: afaik, the answer is that it doesn't handle that
[22:57] <paultag> maxb: hunh.
[23:15] <wgrant> paultag: There's only a couple of arch-indep packages that need to be built on a particular arch.
[23:16] <wgrant> paultag: Launchpad doesn't handle them today. There's been discussion for years in Ubuntu and Debian about a field to define which architecture they should build on, but nothing's ever enventuated.
[23:17] <paultag> wgrant: yeah, I recall those, I was pondering how to do this in dak (as well as some QA tooling I have)
[23:18] <wgrant> paultag: Probably worth reviving such discussions now that Debian has a good reason for it too :)
[23:19] <paultag> wgrant: totes :)
[23:19] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/217427
[23:21] <paultag> wgrant: +subscribed, thanks
[23:21] <wgrant> paultag: It's absolutely trivial to implement for us, we really just need to agree on a syntax.
[23:21] <paultag> totally
[23:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[23:34] <paultag> czajkowski: yo!
[23:35] <czajkowski> paultag: hey
[23:39] <paultag> yo!


[09:34] <amigojapan> hi Emmanuel_Chanel
[11:03] <Emmanuel_Chanel> amigojapan: Hello! I wondered where you were.
[11:05] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: I went to visit my parents... now I am back in japan
[14:29] <Emmanuel_Chanel> こんばんは．


[01:42] <Bray90820> Anyone around
[01:43] <Bray90820> The wrong channel seems to be being broadcast on Channel number 709
[13:52] <moviefreak2> hi anyone know how do i resolve mythtv 0.28 eit guide not updating


[00:06] <nacc> cpaelzer: postgresql-10 is now blocked by the freeze, feel free to pick it up from here (pg-repack has already migrated)
[01:05] <paul__> Can anyone recommend a web app I Can install on my home server to allow basic file management to a specific server location (upload, download, delete) through the browser?
[01:06] <paul__> remaining space on partition would be nice too
[01:08] <sarnold> owncloud or nextcloud seemed popular
[01:23] <CodeMouse92__> (Nextcloud is awesome)
[01:25] <CodeMouse92__> paul__: I would definitely look into Nextcloud for that. Nice, clean web interface, good controls, sync clients, etc. You can also set quotas on users.
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <cpaelzer> nacc: I see pg-10 is now just waiting for freeze as you said
[06:30] <cpaelzer> nacc: there is not much more to do, I pinged the release team, but we are good if that migrates next week as well
[06:30] <cpaelzer> nacc: IIRC after the beta spins are complete it should migrate prior to release
[06:30] <cpaelzer> or do you think without pings it will automatically become a post release SRU?
[12:44] <Gargravarr> tyhicks: think i figured out why the Precision (on the 4.4 kernel) still broke despite removing intel-microcode - i updated the BIOS, which as i proved with the XPS, also updated the microcode
[12:44] <Gargravarr> trying your 4.4 kernel now
[13:07] <Gargravarr> hallelujah, 4.4.0-119 working with SSSD
[13:11] <Gargravarr> tyhicks: many thanks for your hard work fixing this
[13:46] <tyhicks> Gargravarr: thanks for the testing!
[14:15] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, since you know debian
[14:15] <ahasenack> rbasak: https://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/logwatch.git I'm trying to see the commit for "dovecot: Ignore "Logged out" and "Debug" lines. closes...", at the very end of the "short log" section
[14:15] <ahasenack> but I get "bad object id"
[14:15] <ahasenack> is anonscm.debian.org broken?
[14:19] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/logwatch.git/commit/?id=f431e2e386af0da575d58fe80748199849d705ef
[14:19] <rbasak> ahasenack: maybe a bug? I went via the log page.
[14:20] <rbasak> ahasenack: also given the move over to salsa I wonder if somebody broke something doing something by hand to the repo.
[14:20] <ahasenack> thanks
[14:39] <ahasenack> ddstreet: hi,
[14:40] <ahasenack> ddstreet: I'm doing some bug triaging, and this old-ish bug came up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlan/+bug/1701023
[14:41] <ahasenack> does that ring a bell? The bug fixed since 10.1 (which is the last working package for the reporter) is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlan/+bug/1573272
[14:41] <ahasenack> 3 attempts even
[15:02] <nacc> cpaelzer: ack
[15:07] <OliPicard> Hey Everyone, I was wondering how do I download an older version of SQLite? I'm looking for SQLite 3.10.1 but I'm not able to find a download link on SQLite.org to the older version. I was wondering if theres a method I could use directly in APT to request an older version of the application?
[15:07] <rbasak> OliPicard: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlite3 -> View full publishing history
[15:08] <Gargravarr> tyhicks: so which combination of intel_microcode and kernel is it that causes SSSd to go down in flames?
[15:08] <rbasak> OliPicard: click on the version string you want, then see the Downloads section
[15:08] <OliPicard> rbasak: Thank you Robie :)
[15:08] <Gargravarr> i'm looking at machines in Landscape and trying to figure out which ones are safe to upgrade
[15:09] <tyhicks> Gargravarr: intel-microcode with 3.20180312.0 in the version string with any of the recent 4.4 and 4.13 kernels (since January)
[15:10] <Gargravarr> okay. i've got a machine with that version microcode and kernel 4.13.0-26
[15:10] <Gargravarr> i assume upping the kernel (before the current patch is released) would be Bad :)
[15:11] <Gargravarr> are previous versions of the microcode affected?
[15:18] <tyhicks> Gargravarr: you could downgrade the microcode if you wanted to run the latest kernels
[15:18] <tyhicks> Gargravarr: you could also uninstall the intel-microcode package until the new kernels are available
[15:34] <Gargravarr> i might do that, thanks for clarifying
[17:26] <bladernr> Hey, is the live ISO (Subiquity) going to completely replace d-i for 18.04, or will both options be available?
[17:28] <dpb1> both will be available
[17:28] <dpb1> and supported
[17:31] <bladernr> dpb1, thanks!
[17:32] <bladernr> I was just playing with the live one to answer some questions and it's come along nicely.
[17:32] <dpb1> thoughts so far?
[17:32] <dpb1> I mean, it's pretty much final at this point of course
[17:32] <dpb1> but we have things in store for 18.04.1.
[17:54] <jbicha> hi, when you get a chance, it would be great for you to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[17:55] <jbicha> Beta release is scheduled for today-ish and the Server section is incomplete (I filled out the Desktop section but didn't know what y'all wanted to highlight)
[18:27] <ProCycle> I'm trying to figure out what the apache varible HTTP_REFERER could contain but there seems to be no documentation. Anyone know if it gives the full url or just the domain?
[18:28] <ProCycle> Or how I might expose the contents of that varible so I can find out?
[18:34] <dpb1> https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html
[18:35] <sdeziel> ProCycle: the referer is included in the default logging of Apache
[18:36] <ProCycle> So it sounds like it's the full url
[18:36] <sdeziel> grep -w combined /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[18:36] <sdeziel> ProCycle: it is whatever the browser/UA decided to put in
[18:36] <ProCycle> Trying to redirect people coming from scam coupon sites to a disclaimer page
[18:50] <tomreyn> ProCycle: the best way to have a webserver print the value of a variable is probably a http response header (make up your own X-header (e.g. X-VAR-REFERER) and have the webserver return it and the value of the variable.
[18:51] <tomreyn> you can then view this with curl, wget or the web development utilities integrated into firefox or chromium
[18:51] <ProCycle> Interesting approach, thanks
[19:12] <ProCycle> Well shoot I get a redirect loop because the redirect doesn't strip the referer header which triggers the rewrite again
[19:13] <ProCycle> Putting [L] at the end doesn't stop it, and putting [END] breaks my server
[19:36] <ProCycle> Huh I don't get why it just loops. The only thing I can think of it's because the host uses a nginx reverse proxy for apache
[19:37] <ProCycle> Guess it's time to move to a better host
[20:24] <arooni> trying to connect to a mysql server from another machine... ri
[20:25] <arooni> lets reprhrase that
[20:25] <arooni> if i cant telnet to that ip / port number; theres going to be no hope to connecting via mysql right
[20:26] <sdeziel> arooni: indeed, if you you cannot telnet to $IP:3306, then the mysql client won't be able either
[20:27] <arooni> whats weird is that i have allowed access via ufw from this ip address and port number; and restarted ufw
[20:27] <arooni> am i missing something ?
[20:27] <lordcirth_work> arooni, are you sure that mysql is listening on that ip instead of only on localhost?
[20:27] <arooni> well i did telnet locally to 3306 and it did work
[20:28] <arooni> i.e. telnet localhost 3306
[20:28] <arooni> (from the machine running mysql server)
[20:28] <arooni> and ufw reports 3306                       ALLOW       <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:33] <arooni> fixed it; apparently a bind-address of localhost in mysql conf disallows it to thikn about listening to any remote connections
[20:34] <nacc> arooni: yes, that seems correct.
[20:34] <JanC> obviously
[20:35] <arooni> i credit my amazing insomnia for making me stupider today
[20:35] <JanC> it's a good thing that it only listens locally by default too  :)
[20:35] <arooni> agree
[20:35] <arooni> do i have to do something when i make ufw changes or are they live immediately
[20:40] <jdstrand> arooni: if you use the ufw command (eg, ufw allow to any port 3306 from <IP_ADDRESS>), it is leve immediately
[20:40] <jdstrand> live*
[22:26] <nacc> teward: ping -- you've got some noise in your last nginx merge (i'm fixing it up) -- will probably need you to sanity check what i end up dropping (e.g., you've got undocuemnted chagnes to debian/gbp.conf and d/p/0003....patch
[23:35] <ProCycle> Huh what would cause the root account to write files as -rw-r----- but directories as drwx------
[23:36] <ProCycle> so group can read files but can't read directories...
[23:37] <sarnold> the modes are computed by what the application requested for the operation along with the umask in place at the time
[23:40] <ProCycle> so when I run sudo is it using the root account umask or the user running sudo?
[23:43] <sarnold> ProCycle: like everything else with sudo, it's complicated :) see umask_override and umask in sudoers(5) for the details ..
[23:51] <ProCycle> Hmm so, it's complicated. Best just set file permissions afterwards
[23:52] <ProCycle> Writing a backup service file so need to make sure files it makes have the right permissions so the backup server can grab them
[23:53] <sarnold> systemd.exec(5) has a UMask= setting you may find helpful
[23:56] <ProCycle> Ah cool that looks useful