[08:25] <milian_> har, thanks fdoving :)
[08:25] <intelikey> well no body has told me how to get this to work.   i already knew that the assumed answer is "it can't"    but it will.    thanks for the thoughts guys.
[08:25] <ravenous> not assumed, you dont run x without root
[08:25] <jdong> intelikey: the only solution is to have root (i.e. gdm/xdm/kdm) launch your X sessions for your users
[08:25] <SeanTater> intelikey: try something less drastic
[08:25] <jdong> intelikey: root is required for X to start, either in the form of root or suid root
[08:26] <intelikey> no that's not the only solution....
[08:26] <milian_> hmm, but the last error shown in faillog doesnt fit to the time my pc crashed the last time
[08:26] <intelikey> it's the easy one
[08:26] <jdong> intelikey: oh?
[08:26] <jdong> umm
[08:26] <jdong> that is the only solution
[08:26] <SeanTater> intelikey: you might want to remove setuid from processes one by one, and then fix problesm when they arise
[08:26] <ravenous> well thats news to the whole channel then
[08:26] <SeanTater> intelikey: not processes, executables, sorry
[08:26] <jdong> well sure, I guess you can hack the kernel to give regular users more access to the PCI subsystem
[08:27] <jdong> that's the not easy solution :P
[08:27] <fyyrest0rm> Hi guys. Another question/problem/whatver. Last night vid card fan crapped out on me. Bought a new card today (same model but co-branded).. installed it, now can't do my screen res higher than 1024x768? Card is capable of more than than. What am I missing?
[08:27] <milian_> is there a way to convert the timestamps in dmesg (those are timestamps - or?) to something human readable?
[08:27] <intelikey> jdong ok, now that's a thought.  :)
[08:27] <jdong> intelikey: umm, that's less secure than letting startx be setuid root :)
[08:27] <jdong> milian_: those are seconds since bootup
[08:27] <jdong> milian_: not timestamps
[08:28] <jdong> milian_: they added them in dapper's kernel to make bootup hangs easier to spot
[08:28] <SeanTater> fyyrest0rm: I think this will help, but it's not especially easy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:28] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:28] <SeanTater> fyyrest0rm: it fix the same problem in mine
[08:28] <SeanTater> soulrider: hello
[08:28] <milian_> so could you tell me how I should interpret something like that: `17179660.172000`
[08:28] <fyyrest0rm> SeanTater: Why not easy? I've not done that before..what does it do?
[08:29] <SeanTater> fyyrest0rm: it asks you a bunch of questions about your video card, some of which I know very little about
[08:29] <fyyrest0rm> SeanTater: ahh..I'll give it a shot then. Thanks
[08:30] <abattoir> !repos
[08:30] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:31] <SeanTater> I want to change the web page konqueror opens up to, how might I do that?
[08:31] <SeanTater> It's doesn't actually open up the "home url", whcih makes little sense
[08:32] <fdoving> SeanTater: go to the URL you want, and use settings -> save view profile
[08:32] <Xcalibur> I think i'm just gonna give up, I followed the tut that hawkind gave me, but still no luck
[08:32] <jdong> SeanTater: using -phigh will have dpkg-reconfigure ask fewer questions :)
[08:32] <SeanTater> fdoving: ah, okay!
[08:33] <fdoving> Xcalibur: one last shot. what is your problem?
[08:33] <SeanTater> jdong: that guy already left
[08:33] <SeanTater> jdong: but I will file that for future referense
[08:33] <SeanTater> jdong: /reference/
[08:33] <Xcalibur> my wirelessg adapter for my laptop keeps disbabling when I enable it
[08:33] <Xcalibur> i have the drivers installed with ndiswrapper
[08:33] <fdoving> Xcalibur: what's its name and number?
[08:34] <fdoving> Xcalibur: ndiswrapper sucks. just as a sidenote.
[08:34] <Xcalibur> well, whats an alternative to ndiswrapper
[08:34] <Xcalibur> and
[08:34] <SeanTater> !wifi
[08:34] <fdoving> depends on your card.
[08:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:34] <Xcalibur> its the linksis wireless-g
[08:34] <ravenous> ndiswrapper works fine for me, dont know where the 'sucks' comes from
[08:35] <fdoving> ndiswrapper isn't that bad, i've just never got it to work reliably.
[08:35] <Xcalibur> wpc54gv3
[08:35] <Xcalibur> thats the model
[08:35] <ravenous> its harder for me to get the kernel support working for me than ndiswrapper heh
[08:36] <Xcalibur> then what can I use
[08:36] <Xcalibur> besides ndiswrapper?
[08:37] <ravenous> if its not supported in the kernel i dont know what choice you really have other than ndiswrapper
[08:37] <Xcalibur> fdoving?
[08:38] <fdoving> Xcalibur: hang on.. i'm googling for you.
[08:38] <Xcalibur> ok
[08:38] <Xcalibur> thanx
[08:38] <Ash-Fox> Is there some way I can tell apt-build some build flags for a appliation (in my case it's firefox, and I want to build the QT version, in this case it's passing --enable-default-toolkit=QT to the configure script)
[08:38] <fdoving> Xcalibur: did you follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper ?
[08:39] <Xcalibur> h/o
[08:39] <fdoving> Xcalibur: i can see that others with the same card have it working.
[08:40] <Xcalibur> I followed it, but i guess not all the way
[08:40] <fdoving> Xcalibur: try to follow it all the way.
[08:40] <Xcalibur> ok
[08:40] <Xcalibur> ill be back with the results
[08:41] <ravenous> ive heard rumors 3.5.4 is unstable, anyone running it?
[08:42] <ravenous> laptop?
[08:42] <ravenous> er
[08:42] <Hawkwind> Nope.  I reverted back to 3.5.3 due to too many problems with K apps running outside of KDE that work fine in 3.5.3
[08:42] <ravenous> hm
[08:43] <jdong> ssh -C jdong-laptop "cat /home/jdong/junk/edgy*.iso" | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree -
[08:43] <jdong> hehehe
[08:43] <jdong> somehow I don't think that was wise :)
[08:43] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: get the source with 'apt-get source packagename' edit debian/rules for the package. 'dch -i' to increment the version number of the package. then from within the unpacked-source-directory run: 'debuild -us -uc'  to build the package.
[08:43] <jdong> but it sure saves me 700MB of space
[08:44] <fdoving> ravenous: 3.5.4 on dapper makes some problems. don't know if it is fixed yet. but i don't recommend upgrading unless backing up ~/.kde
[08:44] <fdoving> 3.5.4 is stable in edgy though.
[08:45] <jdong> my experiences match fdoving
[08:45] <jdong> 3.5.4 in dapper won't break anything, but has some glitches
[08:45] <ravenous> excellent, just what i needed to know, ill hold off for now
[08:45] <jdong> i.e. kwallet being permanently hidden, some antialiasing strangeness
[08:46] <Xcalibur> g2g reboot, hope this works
[08:46] <Xcalibur> brb
[08:47] <ravenous> thats what ubuntu needs is better touchpad support .. theres a couple QT apps that work well if you have a synaptics touchpad, (ksynaptics, qsynaptics), but if its an alps afaik there is no gui program to change any of that, its diving into xorg.conf
[08:47] <ravenous> i beat my head on the wall with my alps ;/
[08:48] <fdoving> ravenous: did you try 'tpconfig' i haven't tried it, but it exists.
[08:49] <ravenous> fdoving: ill take a look
[08:50] <fdoving> just found it using 'apt-cache search alps' don't know if it is usable to you.
[08:50] <ubuntu> Hi!
[08:50] <ravenous> worth a try i hadnt ever seen the app mentioned on the forums for some reason
[08:50] <ubuntu> Wanna talk
[08:54] <Xcalibur> well, I have good news, and bad news
[08:54] <Xcalibur> bad news is, my card still aint workin'
[08:55] <fdoving> and the good news?
[08:55] <Xcalibur> good news is, i just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico
[08:55] <Xcalibur> lol
[08:55] <fdoving> heh :)
[08:55] <Xcalibur> but, you heard that other ppl had the same card as me, and they have it working?
[08:57] <fdoving> Xcalibur: second comment: http://techrepublic.com.com/5254-6257-0.html?forumID=99&threadID=173893&messageID=1972703&id=1383826
[08:57] <Xcalibur> did ya?
[09:00] <Xcalibur> wow
[09:00] <Xcalibur> he does have it
[09:00] <Xcalibur> but I followed the tut, I have the lates ndiswrapper
[09:00] <Xcalibur> latest*
[09:00] <Xcalibur> correct drivers too
[09:01] <atomic> alguem fala portuges
[09:01] <abattoir> !pt
[09:01] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[09:02] <atomic> ok
[09:02] <abattoir> atomic: ^^^
[09:02] <fdoving> Xcalibur: could you post the output of 'lspci -v' to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[09:08] <Xcalibur> ok
[09:08] <Xcalibur> wait a sec
[09:11] <Xcalibur> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/780848
[09:11] <Xcalibur> thers the response
[09:12] <jdong> !br
[09:12] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[09:12] <jdong> umm, again, is "Por favor _use_" really portugese?
[09:14] <stewart> sorry but i have a nood question please
[09:14] <stewart> hahaha noob
[09:14] <stewart> ?
[09:14] <abattoir> stewart: sure, ask...
[09:14] <stewart> with adept update i always get the break (install)
[09:15] <stewart> i have looked around and edited the sources.list
[09:15] <stewart> but  no love
[09:15] <Redrose> I installed ubuntu, but i want to get rid of gnome and install KDE how do i do that?
[09:15] <LoneWolf071> I installed ubuntu, but i want to get rid of gnome and install KDE how do i do that?
[09:15] <abattoir> stewart: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[09:15] <stewart> sure 1 sec
[09:15] <abattoir> LoneWolf071: 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' would get you kubuntu
[09:16] <abattoir> and i'm guessing 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop' would remove the gnome desktop
[09:16] <ravenous> getting rid of gnome once kde is there is another thing altogether ;/
[09:16] <stewart> pastebin?
[09:16] <abattoir> !pastebin
[09:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:16] <Xcalibur> brb
[09:16] <abattoir> sorry
[09:16] <stewart> can i pm u abattoir
[09:17] <abattoir> sure, but if you ask here, more people might be able to help(if i cant)
[09:17] <stewart> k 1 sec
[09:17] <abattoir> but you can definitely pm me if you want
[09:18] <stewart> is this it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22177
[09:18] <GeneralZod> LoneWolf071:http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[09:19] <stewart> yeah ?
[09:21] <stewart> ?
[09:21] <stewart> sorry if im been a pain
[09:21] <abattoir> stewart: sorry...
[09:21] <ravenous> april when?
[09:21] <abattoir> no, you arent being a pain...
[09:21] <stewart> thanks
[09:21] <abattoir> this channel is intended for helping people like you
[09:22] <abattoir> stewart: ok, looks good, try 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal
[09:23] <stewart> done
[09:23] <abattoir> stewart: 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[09:23] <abattoir> stewart: this makes sure you have all the latest packages installed
[09:24] <stewart> abbatoir - k doing the install now.........
[09:25] <stewart> abattoir- where are you from (while i wait) i am australian but in holland at the moment
[09:25] <abattoir> stewart: i'm in singapore atm
[09:26] <stewart> abattoir: just been there, is it still hot
[09:26] <abattoir> stewart: yes, kinda :)
[09:27] <fdoving> Xcalibur: you can use the bcm43xx driver.
[09:28] <fdoving> Xcalibur: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[09:28] <ravenous> good luck with that lol
[09:28] <ravenous> thats the same one i was complaining about earlier
[09:29] <fdoving> I use that driver now. works perfectly.
[09:29] <fdoving> with wpa and all.
[09:29] <fdoving> works with network-manager too.
[09:30] <ravenous> could never get it working, switched to ndiswrapper, works with network-manager fine as well
[09:31] <stewart> all: i have to mention this, i was just using SUSE and my athereos 5005G drivers had heaps of issues, now i switched it all works great in kubuntu
[09:31] <nlindblad> evening
[09:31] <stewart> i didnt have to do any setups
[09:31] <abattoir> stewart: cool :)
[09:31] <ravenous> well thats good to hear
[09:31] <jdong> stewart: we try to make things work great out of the box :)
[09:31] <ravenous> atheros should have good support in any linux heh, too bad for suse
[09:31] <nlindblad> stewart: SuSE lacks some driver capabilities in 10.1
[09:31] <jdong> any linux driver that we can legally include, we include
[09:31] <nlindblad> stewart: they chose not to include certain drivers for WLAN-cards
[09:32] <stewart> yep its awsome thanks guys
[09:32] <ravenous> i dont think i can even buy absinthe hear
[09:32] <stewart> yepo kubuntu kicks suse
[09:32] <ravenous> gah
[09:32] <stewart> ;)
[09:33] <ravenous> im having a heck of a time getting used to this irc client and which channel im in, sorry ;p
[09:37] <stewart> hi am i still connected
[09:38] <abattoir> stewart: yes, you are
[09:39] <stewart> im having a heck of a time with my wireless
[09:39] <stewart> its very week here
[09:39] <stewart> lol
[09:39] <stewart> weak
[09:41] <stewart> abattoir:  i am having issues now
[09:41] <abattoir> stewart: what's the problem?
[09:41] <stewart> i have just re-run the apt-get update
[09:42] <now3d> Hello, I just upgraded using J. Riddel's KDE 3.54 repository on dapper, unfortunately now my fonts are no longer anti-aliased in the whole of KDE... any ideas?
[09:42] <stewart> and it says
[09:42] <stewart> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:42] <stewart> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:42] <stewart> not having a good time of it lol
[09:42] <abattoir> now3d: tried changing it in kcontrol?
[09:43] <abattoir> stewart: do 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[09:43] <ravenous> stewart: you've got adept or something else running using dpkg
[09:43] <gnomefreak> stewart: sounds like you have synaptic open while tryignt o run apt in terminal
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or adept :(
[09:43] <abattoir> stewart: its probably because your previous apt-get instance wasnt closed...(or you opened adept_
[09:43] <abattoir> )
[09:43] <now3d> abattoir: Hmm, i didnt change anything when i ran the apt-get  dist-upgrade..  where hsould I look in kcontrol pls?
[09:44] <stewart> yep all worked ill let u know when i have finished the download
[09:44] <abattoir> now3d: was just an idea... its under Appearance->Fonts
[09:44] <Tenebrys> Hi.  Mind if I ask for help on some soundcard issues I'm having?
[09:45] <Tenebrys> ...oh wait... got it fixed.
[09:46] <now3d> abattoir: OK.. thanks. I'ts turned on there.. all my fonts are now set to DejaVu Sans... is that a sensible default?
[09:46] <abattoir> now3d: yes, afaik that's the font which ships default w/ dapper too
[09:46] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to find the configurator that, well, configures the sleep and power-down capabilities of my computer.  I see something in System Settings -> Display -> Power Saving, but that's it.
[09:47] <now3d> abattoir: it only broke after i rebooted... i figured i should do that after the dist-upgrade
[09:47] <abattoir> now3d: have you tried fiddling around w/ the settings there?
[09:48] <abattoir> Ertain: isnt there a 'Power Management' option...
[09:48] <now3d> abbattoir: Not much.. i'll turn things on and off and see if there is a difference./. are you all using 3.54 too?
[09:48] <stewart> abattoir: yep all done
[09:48] <abattoir> now3d: yes, i am
[09:48] <abattoir> stewart: ok, now open up adept, and see if you still get those messages
[09:48] <now3d> abattoir: did your anti-aliasing stop working when you upgraded?
[09:49] <now3d> abattoir: or do you know if anyone elses broke?
[09:49] <ravenous> lots of ppl's antialiasing broke
[09:49] <ravenous> many ppl here have had to downgrade to 3.5.3
[09:49] <Ertain> abattoir: I don't see a "Power management" option.  For some strange reason, I have a "Laptop & Power" option.
[09:49] <abattoir> now3d: i think i have heard some cases about that...
[09:49] <abattoir> Ertain: could you try that?
[09:50] <Ertain> I have; it isn't what I need.
[09:50] <now3d> abattoir: ah.. is there an FAQ or something? I couldnt spot anything on google..?
[09:50] <stewart> abattoir: adept looked like ikt was opening but i see nothing on the screen
[09:50] <stewart> abattoir: i have had this a few times
[09:50] <now3d> abattoir: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kcontrol/?rev=551202&view=rev this is the only change i could spot
[09:51] <abattoir> now3d: on problems about upgrading to 3.5.4? I'm not sure an official one exists, apart from the README.. maybe something at the forums?
[09:51] <ravenous> if your upgrade/update is still running you cant run adept
[09:52] <stewart> nope i dont think anything is running
[09:52] <stewart> the icon will bounce for 20sec then nothing
[09:52] <ravenous> run it from terminal and see if you get an error
[09:52] <ravenous> kdesu adept
[09:52] <abattoir> stewart: could you try restarting(or restarting X atleast) ?
[09:53] <now3d> abattoir: seems it is bust on FC5 too.... http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131899
[09:53] <_lupine> adept dies remarkably easily when you have dodgy repos in yours sources.list
[09:53] <_lupine> I managed to kill mine repeatedly while trying to set up a repository ;)
[09:53] <abattoir> now3d: aah, you meant 'non-KDE(qt)' apps?
[09:54] <now3d> abattoir: well.. for me it is every app, even Konversation
[09:54] <stewart> ok it opened from the console
[09:54] <stewart> thanks
[09:54] <ravenous> thats  wierd
[09:54] <now3d> abbatoir: Ok, back in a sec, going to restart X and cross my fingers
[09:55] <SonicChao> Probably n00bish question: but what can I use to make Audio CDs?
[09:55] <_lupine> k3b
[09:55] <abattoir> SonicChao: K3B
[09:55] <_lupine> snap ;)
[09:55] <SonicChao> abattoir: K ty =)
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> SonicChao: cdrecord or k3b - k3b is just a frontend to cdrecord
[09:56] <abattoir> SonicChao: if you plan on converting mp3s, then you might need libk3b2mp3
[09:56] <now3d> abattoir: Ok, changing "General" to somethign else, and then back again fixed it for all KDE applications too
[09:56] <SonicChao> abattoir: I need to burn MP3
[09:56] <abattoir> libkd32-mp3, rather
[09:56] <abattoir> !info libk3b2-mp3
[09:56] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 96 kB
[09:57] <abattoir> aargh...^^ thats the right one
[09:57] <stewart> abattoir: i just wanna test it now what things do i need to make this play mp3
[09:57] <SonicChao> abattoir: Does that come with K3b?
[09:57] <abattoir> stewart: you'd need to add universe to your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[09:57] <stewart> i thknk its something like libk3b2-mp3
[09:57] <abattoir> SonicChao: it is not installed by default, you'd need to enable universe
[09:57] <abattoir> !universe
[09:57] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:58] <SonicChao> abattoir: I have all that enabled -- I've been using it for a while, i just never had the need for Audio CDs
[09:58] <abattoir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu has kubuntu specifics
[09:58] <abattoir> SonicChao: then 'sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3' or getting it through adept would do
[09:58] <SonicChao> abattoir: Ok. =)
[09:59] <Tokeiito> laba vakara (good evening)
[09:59] <stewart> abattoir: which one do i add for universe
[10:00] <abattoir> stewart: did i say universe? i meant multiverse, sorry
[10:00] <stewart> oh k
[10:00] <abattoir> its really late here... and am very sleepy :(
[10:01] <stewart> no problem im getting the same
[10:02] <now3d> abattoir: thanks for your help
[10:02] <abattoir> now3d: :)
[10:02] <now3d> abattoir: if anyone else gets the same problem, there is a bug i commented on bugs.kde.org about it
[10:03] <abattoir> now3d: aah, ok, the fix was to restart X ?
[10:04] <stewart> abattoir: yep that is done
[10:04] <stewart> what was it i have to install...sorry
[10:04] <abattoir> stewart: ok, now a 'sudo apt-get update'
[10:04] <SonicChao> abattoir: What about .wma? How do I get those on a CD?
[10:04] <stewart> abattoir: so i will have to do this everytime i change the reps
[10:05] <SonicChao> abattoir: Or do I need to convert them? (how would I go about doing that?)
[10:05] <abattoir> stewart: libxine-extracodecs should get mp3 to work w/ amarok(and kaffeine)
[10:05] <abattoir> !codecs
[10:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:05] <abattoir> stewart: ^^ that page has more comprehensive info
[10:05] <abattoir> SonicChao: i'm not sure about wma handling in k3b
[10:05] <now3d> abattoir: well, restarting caused it, I changed the "General" font from what DejaVu Sans... Apply, then back agian, then Restart X,...  bizarre, dont know what it actually changed to fix it
[10:05] <SonicChao> abattoir: Ok, so is there a way to convert it to mp3?
[10:05] <abattoir> for converting, i think you'd need lame and a wma decoder... wait a sec
[10:06] <SonicChao> abattoir: Ok.
[10:06] <now3d> cya every1
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> I thought wma was handled by some part of ffmpeg or w32codecs
[10:07] <abattoir> SonicChao: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29024 might help
[10:07] <stewart> abattoir: i installed that but amaro still loads it but dosnt play it
[10:07] <stewart> says playlist finished always
[10:07] <Jonty> I can't play CDs. I don't have permission apparently, even though I ticked it in Users and Groups, and I'm definately in the cdrom group
[10:07] <abattoir> stewart: could you try restarting amarok(if you had it open when you installed the package)
[10:07] <Jonty> I created this user with useradd so don't assume any defaults
[10:07] <KDEfanboy> so is the xorg update safe now?
[10:07] <SonicChao> abattoir: Is that in the repos?
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> Jonty: Are you in the audio group
[10:08] <abattoir> !info soundkonverter
[10:08] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[10:08] <abattoir> SonicChao: ^^^ yes
[10:08] <stewart> abattoir:  ahhh i forgot it runs from the taskbar
[10:08] <stewart> all good now
[10:08] <stewart> thanks mate
[10:08] <Jonty> yes
[10:08] <stewart> abattoir:  you ar a star
[10:08] <abattoir> stewart: no problem :)
[10:08] <stewart> abattoir:  have a good sleep
[10:08] <Jonty> h3sp4wn: I am in the audio group
[10:09] <abattoir> heh, thanks :)
[10:09] <jexsie> Hi.....
[10:09] <SonicChao> abattoir: Ty again. =D
[10:09] <abattoir> SonicChao: np, again :)
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> Jonty: can you play cd's if you launch amarok with kdesu amarok ?
[10:09] <Tokeiito> is there any soft to clear libs which isn't in use (hasn't dependencies in my OS)?
[10:09] <Chousuke> deborphan
[10:10] <Tokeiito> thank you Chousuke
[10:11] <Jonty> h3sp4wn: I'm ripping it with KAudioCreator, and yes, it does work with sudo
[10:11] <Jonty> But like every good Linux user I'm suspicious of GUI apps running in root
[10:12] <Jonty> and I want it working :D
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> So am I but that guarantees its some type of permissions problem
[10:12] <Jonty> indeed
[10:12] <Jonty> nothing funny about restarting or anything?
[10:13] <Jonty> I checked fstab, and there's no mention of groups accessing it there, so I'm guessing it's done by another app?
[10:13] <Jonty> (it has the user and noauto options)
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> what is the permissions of /dev/hdc (presuming that is the cdrom)
[10:13] <_lupine> maybe your normal user needs to be added to the 'disk' group?
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> root:cdrom with 660 is the standard permissions on the device afaik
[10:14] <Jonty> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2006-08-31 20:24 /dev/hdd
[10:14] <_lupine> ah, the cdrom group then :)
[10:15] <angelaki> who can help me with wine-doors?
[10:15] <_lupine> (I was looking at the wrong hd??)
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> 21:06 < Jonty> I can't play CDs. I don't have permission apparently, even though I ticked it in Users and Groups, and I'm definately in the cdrom group
[10:15] <Jonty> thanks
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> Maybe it cannot be that but I can't see how
[10:16] <Ertain> Hello once again, everyone.  So... Does anyone have an idea on why I can't change my power-saving settings?
[10:21] <misieq> where kde stores icons for apps, like adept?
[10:21] <_lupine>  /usr/share/icons IIRC
[10:21] <_lupine> definitely /usr/share
[10:22] <Ertain> Might anyone know about changing power settings?
[10:26] <Oellinas> hello
[10:26] <angelaki> who can help me with wine-doors?
[10:26] <Oellinas> can someone help me find ipw2200 in deb package
[10:27] <crimsun> Oellinas: it's already included in linux-image-$(uname -r), why?
[10:29] <Oellinas> my driver version is too old and in several places i cannot connect to many wireless networks
[10:29] <Xcalibur> yo
[10:29] <Xcalibur> !wifi
[10:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:30] <Oellinas> thanks you
[10:34] <ubuntu> #murcia
[10:35] <black_>  I need help to configure my grug menu list
[10:35] <black_>  I use kubuntu, but now I have installed slackware 10.2
[10:43] <soulrider> heye veryone
[10:43] <soulrider> is anyone having trouble when they connect a microphone ?
[10:43] <soulrider> everything sounds like crap when i connect mine
[10:44] <Larynx> wai cant i mount my hd?
[10:44] <soulrider> what error do you get ?
[10:44] <Larynx> let me boot up and check ^^
[10:44] <soulrider> and what type of fs does it use ?
[10:44] <soulrider> mind you, im not pro
[10:44] <NossCire> Is there any good programs for kubuntu/ubuntu for file splitting?
[10:46] <_lupine> NossCire: tar option -M might be what you're looking for
[10:46] <soulrider> is there a way to make a deb file with the file sinside a tarball ?
[10:47] <soulrider> so i can uninstall more easily
[10:47] <slougi> soulrider: you might want checkinstall
[10:47] <Larynx> mount: cant find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:47] <Larynx> :<
[10:47] <soulrider> even if i didnt compile ?
[10:48] <slougi> soulrider: what exactly do you mean?
[10:48] <soulrider> well, i downlaoded teamspeak
[10:48] <soulrider> its already compiled
[10:48] <soulrider> so instead of umpakcing toa  folder
[10:48] <_lupine> Larynx: what it says on the tin, really. Hardware failure?
[10:48] <soulrider> i wanna amke a deb file
[10:48] <soulrider> so i can unintsall it with dpkg
[10:48] <slougi> ah, not sure
[10:49] <Larynx> _lupine: say what?
[10:49] <_lupine> soulrider: just have a tarball in the data.tar.gz file
[10:49] <intelikey> where are the manuals for kdm ?
[10:49] <soulrider> i got a tar.gz file
[10:49] <_lupine> Larynx: ubuntu can't find your hard drive. So it could be a hardware failure. Or it could be data corruption
[10:49] <soulrider> mind you, i never really used these files
[10:49] <soulrider> so im not sure fo how they work
[10:50] <_lupine> soulrider: have you ever created a .deb before?
[10:50] <slougi> soulrider: use alien, if I grok the man page properly you can just do "sudo alien -d foo.tar.gz"
[10:50] <SeanTater> ubuntu: considered a more unique nick ?
[10:51] <Larynx> _lupine: o rly? its just that its a 40gb hd that somehow got split into two pieces and the other half is working fine
[10:51] <_lupine> ya rly ;)
[10:51] <soulrider> _lupine: i have created debs from source, yes
[10:51] <_lupine> most likely data corruption of some form then
[10:51] <Larynx> :S
[10:51] <Larynx> should i reinstall?
[10:51] <_lupine> can you get in to check your FS at all? Live CD is good for this
[10:52] <_lupine> soulrider: forget me. alien is the way to go for this one
[10:52] <Larynx> Lurkan__: doesnt say what sf it has. what should i do with the livecd
[10:52] <_lupine> (I thought you were wanting a .deb which installed a .tar.gz file somewhere)
[10:52] <soulrider> k, ill look for alien
[10:53] <soulrider> but id ont think googliong "alien" might work :P
[10:53] <_lupine> !alien
[10:53] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[10:53] <_lupine> is it just me, or does ubotu have a nervous twitch? ;)
[10:53] <Larynx> _lupine: doesnt say what sf it has. what should i do with the livecd
[10:54] <ubuntu_> ..
[10:54] <intelikey> Larynx might i sujest 'testdisk'
[10:54] <Larynx> intelikey: whats that?
[10:54] <_lupine> Larynx: if you boot up into the live CD, you can try mounting your hard disc partition, etc
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: Have a look at the motu package building guide - make your own debian/rules that just does nothing for the compiling part and just copies for the install part (look at a binary driver for an example with apt-get source)
[10:55] <intelikey> !testdisk > Larynx
[10:56] <Larynx> sweet
[10:59] <intelikey> someone that knows kdm/xdm/gdm please speek up and tell me where to put  "xlogin.Login.allowNullPasswd:   True"   and if that's the correct syntax ???
[11:00] <fnTc^spNk> someone who knows how to fix my driver problem? :\
[11:00] <intelikey> if i can't get that to work i'm back to hacking X to run without root rermissions.
[11:01] <soulrider> ohh by thw way
[11:01] <Larynx> _lupine: i cant mount none of my partitions with the livecd
[11:01] <soulrider> in 2 weeks in my college you will be able to take your comp
[11:02] <soulrider> and have linux installe don it by a pro
[11:02] <soulrider> i wodner if theyw ill be installing ubuntu
[11:03] <intelikey> soulrider paying someone to install linux.... ?
[11:03] <soulrider> no
[11:03] <soulrider> for free
[11:03] <soulrider> duringt hat day we wont have classes
[11:03] <intelikey> professional == gets paid for it...
[11:03] <soulrider> and one of the teahcer said that there will eb this palce where if you take your comp
[11:03] <soulrider> they will install linux
[11:03] <soulrider> pro as in a dude that knows a lot :P
[11:04] <Larynx> :)
[11:04] <soulrider> lets hope theya hve ubuntu :)
[11:04] <intelikey> expert != professional
[11:04] <intelikey> :)
[11:04] <soulrider> expert, whatever :P
[11:05] <intelikey> sounds like a kewwl deal soulrider :)
[11:05] <Kronos> soulrider: take in a CD or two. :)
[11:05] <soulrider> this is my first year at college so i dont really know how it is
[11:05] <soulrider> but lets hope lots of people take their comps :)
[11:06] <soulrider> im gonna trya nd eprsuade my friends to do it
[11:06] <soulrider> since they suck and use windoze
[11:06] <intelikey> collage people type funny....
[11:06] <intelikey> :)
[11:06] <soulrider> im the king of typ0s
[11:07] <intelikey> i abdoacate
[11:07] <soulrider> :/
[11:07] <intelikey> ab(doa)cate  hehhe dead on arival
[11:07] <soulrider> didnt know that
[11:08] <intelikey> a-knee-way    anybody know *dm setup ?
[11:09] <Larynx> how do you make a dial-up connection?
[11:09] <intelikey> or is that a_knee_weigh
[11:09] <saurav> hiiiiiiiiii everyone
[11:09] <intelikey> Larynx wvdial from cli  kppp from kde
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: You want to stop X being suid root
[11:10] <Larynx> intelikey: uhu..
[11:10] <Azzco> hi I'm trying to change picture in /system settings/users but it says that I'm not allowed by administrator...
[11:10] <intelikey> h3sp4wn nothing is suid  it's all mounted nosuid
[11:10] <intelikey> h3sp4wn got any pointers ?
[11:10] <fnTc^spNk> how do i change my X module version or NV version?
[11:11] <fnTc^spNk> coz X says they are different :(|
[11:11] <intelikey> fnTc^spNk the drive for X is described in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:12] <fnTc^spNk> but i dont get what to change
[11:12] <fnTc^spNk> it says API mismatch
[11:12] <intelikey>         Driver          "nv"
[11:12] <br1> hello there .. I just installed newest Kubuntu from install CD, and I now have problems enabling mp3 playback. Multiverse is in sources.list, but "apt-get install libxine-extracodecs" says "E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate" .. anyone know of this ?
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I have no idea whether it can even be done with xorg - xwrapper used to do what you need but I don't think it even exists anymore
[11:12] <fnTc^spNk> Nvidia driver version 1.0.8762 and X module version 1.07174
[11:12] <fnTc^spNk> and they have to be the same
[11:13] <Kr4t05> br1: pastebin your sources.list
[11:13] <intelikey> fnTc^spNk you have to use the kernel that it's compiled for.  i think it's 2.6.23 something
[11:13] <fnTc^spNk> i already have that one installed
[11:14] <exobuzz> is it me, or does kopete not support any kind of logging/history ?
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> fnTc^spNk: Do you have restricted enabled for dapper-security ?
[11:14] <fnTc^spNk> no
[11:14] <intelikey> h3sp4wn but xwrapper was suid  no ?
[11:15] <br1> Kr4t05: http://pastebin.com/780928 .. sorry for all the "failed to verify" lines, but I installed without a network
[11:16] <br1> Kr4t05: by my reckoning line 30 would give me the required reposotories ?
[11:16] <intelikey> updated sense that changed ?
[11:17] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update    maybe.
[11:17] <br1> apt-get update ? .. yeah, I think so, wasnt paying too much attention .. other "ugly" codecs are available and installed ..
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: I think it was but it dropped priv s
[11:17] <fnTc^spNk> brb gonna try something
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Have you tried using the framebuffer video driver ?
[11:18] <intelikey> h3sp4wn k.   well do you know anything about enabling passwordless login via *dm ?
[11:18] <br1> intelikey: libarts1-xine is installed, at least .. but I was under the impression that I needed libxine-extracodecs to enable Amarok to play mp3s ..
[11:19] <Kr4t05> br1: at the end of the "universe" line, be sure to add "multiverse"
[11:19] <Kr4t05> br1: make this:
[11:19] <Kr4t05> #
[11:19] <Kr4t05> deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[11:19] <intelikey> h3sp4wn sure i even built fb into my kernel so i can watch vidios in the konsole   @ h3sp4wn
[11:19] <Kr4t05> br1" this: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[11:20] <Kr4t05> multiverse
[11:20] <Kr4t05> br1: I botched that... ><
[11:20] <intelikey> he's saying add multiverse to that line
[11:20] <br1> Kr4t05: okay, so using all those keywords on line (like line 30 in my sources.list) is not effective in giving me access to all of them ?
[11:21] <intelikey> they can be on one line   yes.
[11:21] <Kr4t05> br1: add "multiverse" to the end of line 20.
[11:21] <br1> Kr4t05: okay, will add to line 20 ..
[11:22] <chovy> how do i install the latest package of something?
[11:22] <intelikey> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse "    and one like that for security is all you need really.  on for updates if you like.
[11:22] <intelikey> s/on/one/ ^
[11:23] <intelikey> chovy anything you install will be the latest in the repos you have enabled.
[11:23] <intelikey> unless you specify a version.
[11:24] <br1> intelikey and Kr4t05; that nailed it, thank you guys .. I don't quite understand why this didn't work with line 30 as on pastebin, but the line 20 edit made me go fuzzy all over .. now I can get back to my CockRockDisco songs :-)
[11:25] <intelikey> chovy  you can do   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade      to make sure all your installed packages are the latest, if you like.
[11:25] <br1> this is my first desktop adventure with *ubuntu, and I must say it lives up to (most of) the hype .. everything kinda works (wpa was a bit fuzzy), but all over goodness in abundance ..
[11:27] <NossCire> I've tried splitting files using tar, but I don't get how i'm supposed to do it... I know how to add files to a tar, but how do I set how many/how large the different tar's are supposed to be?
[11:27] <intelikey> br1 it will let you down.  give it time.   the hype is way out of purportion...
[11:28] <br1> by the way, on this brand new Thinkpad P60 the e1000 network interface is not recognised by driver or lspci, anyone know where I can submit PCI ID for inclusion ?
[11:28] <chovy> intelikey: what if a package i want isn't in kubuntu?
[11:28] <intelikey> chovy name ?
[11:28] <chovy> intelikey: i don't know, a beta release of something.
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Have you tried using driver "fbdev" if the framebuffer is already working
[11:29] <br1> intelikey: well, I've been around for a while, and altough I love GNU/Linux with all of my heart and use it for all servers and development, I haven't been able to shake the windows desktop habit yet .. "everything just works" (at least a bit better) .. both alsa and X have given me enough grief for a lifetime
[11:29] <intelikey> chovy is this a hypocritacle   errr hypothetical situation ?
[11:30] <Languid> how can i revert from Amarok 1.4.2 to Amarok 1.4.1?
[11:30] <intelikey> h3sp4wn in xorg you mean ?
[11:30] <_lupine> Languid, apt-get install (package)=(version) works
[11:31] <_lupine> but wasn't the previous version 1.3.9 ?
[11:31] <intelikey> !info amarok
[11:31] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: just use that instead of what normal video driver you use (in xorg.conf) - if you can access the framebuffer from the console maybe you can start X in that way
[11:32] <intelikey> h3sp4wn looking into that now.
[11:32] <chovy> intelikey: yes
[11:33] <intelikey> !tarball > chovy
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tarball - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <intelikey> !source > chovy
[11:33] <Languid> _lupine: automatix had a 1.4.1 version
[11:34] <intelikey> that's not it. chovy i thought that would explain source packages  it doesn't
[11:34] <Languid> all i know is that cover art (folder.jpg) is broken in 1.4.2
[11:34] <intelikey> chovy you build and install by hand.  that's the hypo answer
[11:35] <intelikey> ohhh apt-get done apt-got and error for me.
[11:35] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing gksu (--configure):
[11:35] <intelikey>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[11:36] <ravenous> i think she's just dressed up like a devil and some perv through it on a bsd box, if chicks regularly wore hot penguin uniforms for halloween we'd have some pictures to rock too ;)
[11:38] <arthomps> so... amarok with most recent update doesn't play flac's?  this problem was in http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-142 dapper main.  but didn't expect it to go into dapper trunk.
[11:38] <Azzco> check www.ubuntu.com and on wiki , restricted formats
[11:38] <Azzco> omg sorry lol was reading something posted long long ago XD wont happen again
[11:38] <arthomps> np :)
[11:40] <arthomps> problem is libxine i think.
[11:40] <fnTc^spNk> how do i see my kernel version?
[11:41] <arthomps> uname `r
[11:41] <arthomps> err uname -r
[11:42] <fnTc^spNk> thx
[11:42] <fnTc^spNk> 2.6.15-26-k7 :\
[11:52] <liviux> Hi all. I'm an kubuntu user from little time, so I would to ask you why in Its there isn't the "normal" system for the root administration?
[11:53] <otaku-san> liviux: "normal"?  Do you mean why does kubuntu have sudo?
[11:54] <liviux> yes
[11:54] <liviux> and not su
[11:54] <otaku-san> !su
[11:54] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:54] <otaku-san> read that
[11:54] <liviux> yes but the password it's the same of user admin
[11:55] <liviux> That's correct?
[11:55] <fnTc^spNk> Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. <-- anyone knows how to solve that problem?
[11:55] <liviux> however thanks
[11:55] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: install it :)
[11:55] <fnTc^spNk> there is none for my kernel
[11:55] <fnTc^spNk> i cant find it
[11:55] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: chances are, you only need the headers
[11:56] <fnTc^spNk> but what headers
[11:56] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: what's the out put of uname -a ?
[11:56] <otaku-san> liviux: yes that pass is the same as user admin
[11:56] <fnTc^spNk> Linux ramon-desktop 2.6.15-26-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 03:40:32 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:56] <liviux> ok  thank you
[11:56] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: where did you look for the source or headers?
[11:56] <fnTc^spNk> adept
[11:57] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: let's look together on packages.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <fnTc^spNk> wait im not in X
[11:57] <fnTc^spNk> coz im trying to install nvidia drivers
[11:57] <red> anyone know if there is a wireless config option to automatically connect to wireless networks.  like the feature in windows xp
[11:58] <otaku-san> liviux: real quick do you mean if the password is the same as what the user admin has...I know that whatever pass you set when you install kubuntu will be for everyone unless you set-up more accounts
[11:58] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: I'm finding the packages linux-headers-2.6.15-26-k7 and linux-image-2.6.15-26-k7, should be in adept/apt/synaptic.
[11:58] <atomic> pt
[11:59] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: hmm, wondering about this PREEMPT thingy...?
[12:00] <fnTc^spNk> hmm
[12:00] <fnTc^spNk> thougt i already installed them
[12:00] <fnTc^spNk> what do u mean Sanne ?
[12:00] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk:  Linux ramon-desktop 2.6.15-26-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT
[12:00] <atomic> canais pt
[12:00] <fnTc^spNk> i dunno
[12:00] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: that preempt
[12:00] <fnTc^spNk> wich means?
[12:00] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: where did you get your kernel from?
[12:01] <fnTc^spNk> uhm
[12:01] <fnTc^spNk> adept i guess
[12:01] <liviux> I understand
[12:01] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: I think it means one of the preemption methods, has to do with low latency, if I'm correct.
[12:01] <fnTc^spNk> low latency from what?
[12:01] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: do you have any unofficial repositories enabled, by any chance?
[12:02] <fnTc^spNk> Sanne: yes
[12:02] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: low latency with regard to audio, for example. Musicians need that.
[12:02] <fnTc^spNk> lol
[12:02] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: could it be that your kernel is from one of those unofficial sources?
[12:02] <fnTc^spNk> well i dont think so... but it could be
[12:02] <otaku-san> liviux: Cool.  Good luck!
[12:03] <misieq> !fonts
[12:03] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[12:03] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[12:03] <liviux> oh you're verry kind
[12:03] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: *if* it is, you may need to hunt for the source/header package there. I'm just a bit confused about PREEMPT in uname -a, maybe it means nothing and you can use the padder headers.
[12:03] <Sanne> s/padder/dapper   lol
[12:03] <fnTc^spNk> hmm the nv installer works now
[12:04] <fnTc^spNk> lol
[12:04] <fnTc^spNk> uh
[12:04] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: you have a reason to not use the nvidia packages from ubuntu?
[12:04] <lunahood> i have installed kutuntu just now; now i receive an error during kdesu adept: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yUZ3Gk25.html
[12:04] <fnTc^spNk> Your driver installation has been altered since it was initially installed
[12:04] <fnTc^spNk> Sanne: i cant play games with those
[12:05] <fnTc^spNk> at least, i didnt got it working yet
[12:05] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: ok, that's a reason. What happens if you try to play games with them?
[12:05] <fnTc^spNk> opengl error
[12:05] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: is your card recent?
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> 7800GT, so yes
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> i guess
[12:06] <Sanne> oh yes, it is
[12:06] <atomic> canais portuges quais sao
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> lol
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> Sanne:  i got it working
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> but
[12:06] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: the packages should work, if they don't, it's either user error or a bug.
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> now i can hardly see anything
[12:06] <Sanne> heh
[12:06] <fnTc^spNk> probably user error
[12:07] <red> i deleted konquerer from my main menu, how do i get it back
[12:07] <fnTc^spNk> well i used old driver from nvidia
[12:07] <fnTc^spNk> coz the newer ones werent working :s
[12:07] <fnTc^spNk> and this one didnt support my card
[12:07] <fnTc^spNk> but i thougt i could try
[12:07] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: what a pity, with your 7800GT, I would think you would benefit from the newer drivers.
[12:08] <fnTc^spNk> yeah
[12:08] <fnTc^spNk> but im not playing any recent games :p
[12:08] <atomic> as to install realplayer in kunbuntu
[12:08] <fnTc^spNk> have to get the newer ones working u guess
[12:08] <Sanne> fnTc^spNk: did you use any guides or howtos for correctly installing the ubuntu packages? Can be a bit tricky at times.


[00:56] <diddledan> ooh debian import freeze
[00:56]  * diddledan gets chilly
[00:56] <diddledan> not long now
[00:57] <diddledan> just over two months I guess
[01:07] <deids> hi
[01:07] <deids> hi
[01:08] <deids> i'm using debian 8 and i cant find the package dhcp3-server how come?? there is a replacement package?
[01:08] <deids> any idea?
[01:09] <stgraber> isc-dhcp-server
[01:10] <xnox> stgraber: you are, from now on, british to me =)
[01:11] <stgraber> xnox: :)
[01:19] <Laney> tally ho
[01:23] <deids> stgraber: thanks! save me!
[01:30] <deids> i get error at the boot "intel rapl no valid rapl domains"
[01:30] <deids> what make it happened?
[01:56] <daftykins> deids: this isn't debian support
[01:56] <daftykins> deids: the clue is in the channel name
[01:57] <deids> mmm but ubuntu based on debian so it's about the same..
[01:58] <deids> how i can check if the dhcp server is running?
[01:58] <deids> daftykins: ^
[02:02] <daftykins> yes i know, but why not join the debian channel :P
[05:32] <mapps> agh
[05:32] <mapps> power cable fell out again:<
[06:54] <knightwise> mornin everyone
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <knightwise> mornin Diplo !
[07:28] <mapps> morningall
[07:28] <mapps> *morning all even
[07:28] <knightwise> hey mapps
[07:34] <mapps> just watched new gang related
[07:34] <mapps> great eo
[07:34] <knightwise> eo ,
[07:35] <knightwise> ?
[07:35] <mapps> ep
[07:35] <mapps> ;p
[07:35] <knightwise> ah
[07:36] <mapps> got more tv to watch
[07:36] <mapps> bt too late now
[07:36] <knightwise> we just finished downton abbey here
[07:36] <knightwise> binge watching some shows
[07:36] <mapps> never seen
[07:38] <knightwise> not bad at all.
[07:38] <knightwise> for the rest i'm hunting down some fan made star trek episodes
[07:38] <knightwise> and i've found some good stuff out there
[07:38] <knightwise> (and some horribly terrible stuff)
[07:49] <knightwise> mapps: do you ahve experience with vnc4server ?
[07:58] <mapps> used it once
[07:59] <mapps> whats up
[08:00] <knightwise> I got it running on the server , but how do you connect to it ?
[08:00] <knightwise> just plain via vnc ?
[08:00] <mapps> need a vnc client
[08:00] <mapps> yea
[08:00] <mapps> tightvncviewer
[08:00] <mapps> http://www.tightvnc.com/download.php
[08:01] <mapps> was what i used
[08:17] <SuperMatt> yo guys, in unity on 14.04, is there a way to use the classic lock screen?
[08:36] <xnox> SuperMatt: why would you want to? did you find bugs?
[08:36] <SuperMatt> colleague of mine is having some issues where sometimes he can't enter his password in to the box
[08:37] <SuperMatt> and I had something similar this morning when I woke my laptop from suspend
[08:40] <popey> wonder if it's that unity7 error where your password leaks through the screensaver?
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:51] <SuperMatt> popey: I genuinely don't know. All I know was mine was installed from 14.04.1 last night
[08:59] <popey> could be, saw someone ranting about it somewhere
[09:00] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1349128/comments/6
[09:01] <SuperMatt> thanks popealicious
[09:06] <dvrr> How to Recover dropped Database in mysql  ubuntu  please guide me
[09:08] <Gargoyle> dvrr: From your backup
[09:09] <popey> +1 correct answer every time
[09:10] <nigelb> Gargoyle++
[09:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:10] <Gargoyle> Morning bigcalm
[09:11] <dvrr> i don't have  backup  that is local machine
[09:11] <dvrr> Gargoyle
[09:14] <Gargoyle> dvrr: No backup = no database. You deleted it... gone... end of.
[09:16] <Gargoyle> dvrr: From the MySQL Docs: "Be *very* careful with this statement!"
[09:19] <dvrr> Gargoyle  I accidentally dropped my MySQL database  if any other way to recover  my db
[09:20] <SuperMatt> no
[09:20] <SuperMatt> you deleted it and now it is gone
[09:20] <Gargoyle> dvrr: Nope.
[09:20] <SuperMatt> maybe your hosting has some kind of backup
[09:20] <SuperMatt> who are you hosted with?
[09:21] <popey> he said it's local machine
[09:21] <SuperMatt> ah
[09:21] <SuperMatt> then no
[09:21] <bigcalm> You could send the machine to a data recovery firm and keep your fingers crossed
[09:22] <Gargoyle> dvrr: when you say "my MySQL" database. Do you mean a database you created with your own data or MySQL's internal "mysql" databse, and hence have borked your mysql install?
[09:26] <dvrr> no that is  mysql  database  only
[09:27] <Gargoyle> dvrr: Not sure what that reply means! Do you have important data you need to recover or just get mysql working again?
[09:31] <dvrr> since 2 days  user  working that database  lost 2 days data  important
[09:32] <dvrr> 100 mb data
[09:46] <Gargoyle> dvrr: That's bad luck... Well, not really luck. Lesson learned, eh.
[09:47] <SuperMatt> yeah, drop is one of the commands I use VERY carefully, I will check and double check everything
[09:47] <SuperMatt> same with rm
[09:48] <SuperMatt> I don't trust myself not to be a spazz
[09:48] <Gargoyle> SuperMatt: Snap.
[09:48] <popey> ditto
[09:48] <Gargoyle> Any data = Backup
[09:48] <Gargoyle> Important Data = Backup Twice
[09:48] <SuperMatt> I deal with a lot of customer stuff, natch, and mysqldump is done before almost everything
[10:37] <Myrtti> I have to say I was extremely positively surprised by Norwegian in comparison to Ryanair
[10:37] <Myrtti> small things make a great difference
[10:37] <jpds> Erm, you could s/Norwegian/$ANYTHING/ over Ryanair.
[10:39] <Myrtti> ok.
[10:40] <Myrtti> I won't go into details then.
[10:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: did it have seats?
[10:54] <Myrtti> Ryanair has seats so ergo so does Norwegian.
[10:56] <davmor2> Myrtti: haha it was meant as a joke :)  I've mostly only flown virgin and Lufthansa and they were both lovely.  Malta air was a little hairy hey JamesTait ?
[11:04] <Myrtti> I've flown Finnair, KLM, Delta, United, Virgin Atlantic, Ryanair and now Norwegian. I've disliked United the most.
[11:27] <Myrtti> little miss purry seems to have a different opinion on what is my job
[11:30] <davmor2> Myrtti: she's a cat ofcourse she things you're only there to love her, fuss her and feed her
[11:31] <OERIAS> Please help me!
[11:31] <Myrtti> it's funny though, she's a proper princess. No touching, no petting, no nothing unless HRH Bella, Duchess of Valkeakoski demands so.
[11:31] <Myrtti> OERIAS: have you blown a lightbulb?
[11:32] <davmor2> OERIAS: it helps if you ask something
[11:32] <OERIAS> I was banned from #ubuntu and I need someone here to ask IdleMan to please reinstate me
[11:33] <OERIAS> I am repenting for my sins as we speak
[11:33] <OERIAS> And I will behave
[11:34] <Myrtti> ach so.
[11:34] <popey> ask in #ubuntu-ops
[11:35] <OERIAS> banned there too mate
[11:35]  * popey checks the ban list
[11:35] <popey> no, you're not
[11:36] <OERIAS> Well please be kind, speak to IdelMan
[11:36] <popey> take it to #ubuntu-ops
[11:36] <OERIAS> I don't want to risk an expulsion from #ubuntu-ops
[11:36] <popey> this is not the place to sort your bans
[11:36] <popey> continuing with this doesn't help you.
[11:36] <OERIAS> Okay, thank you
[11:51] <directhex> popey: if you feed http://jenkins.mono-project.com/repo/xamarin.gpg to apt-key and "deb http://jenkins.mono-project.com/repo/debian sid main" to apt, you should be able to install mono-snapshot-XXXXXXXXX packages, which correspond to git commits. allows mono-using developers access to the latest crack, and also easy binary bisecting of bugs
[11:51] <directhex> the mono-snapshot command sets up the parallel environment
[11:58] <Gargoyle> Awwwww man!!! dvrr jinxed me! https://www.dropbox.com/s/vqy3k3d9gegnt99/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-08%20at%2012.56.35.png
[12:00] <knightwise> Gargoyle: I feel your pain
[12:01] <Gargoyle> knightwise: It's no biggie. Happens now and again. I just click "backup now", and it works.
[12:02] <Gargoyle> I never realised how much TimeMachine likes very specific versions of protocols.
[12:02] <Gargoyle> And my readyNAS is probably well overdue an update
[12:02] <knightwise> Thats why I love the ubuntu backup app. it backs up to everything ... over ssh , smb , the whole shbang
[12:04] <Gargoyle> Yeah. I don't know why Apple didn't just implement it in the sense of "just point me to some other location - by whatever means you like"
[12:09] <popey> yeah
[12:09] <popey> that annoys me too
[12:10] <Gargoyle> You can do that from the command line. But it's a right faff!
[12:17] <knightwise> you mean an Rsync
[13:17] <diddledan> morning
[15:04] <bigcalm> This Friday is taking a long time to finish
[15:16] <diplo> Sure is bigcalm !
[15:16] <diplo> And I've only been back since yesterday :/
[15:54] <diddledan> o_O so I've just got a new vps - it's running 12.04.5 so I figured I'd upgrade to 14.04 but do-release-upgrade doesn't seem to want to do it
[15:56] <diddledan> it seems do-release-upgrade does suggest 14.04 when you ask it to upgrade to a development release
[16:51] <mapps> good afternoon
[17:22] <rindolf> Cross posting from #gllug: Hi all. If anyone wants to meet me ( http://www.shlomifish.org/ ) - I'm in Heathrow now for this con - https://nineworlds.co.uk/ - it's great too BTW.
[17:32] <popey> hello Shlomi
[17:34] <rindolf> popey: meow.
[17:34] <popey> I'd never heard of nineworlds
[17:35] <rindolf> popey: now you did.
[17:35] <rindolf> popey: my friend told me about it.
[17:35] <popey> well indeed
[17:35] <rindolf> popey: we can meet in the hotel.
[17:35] <rindolf> popey: it's a bit of a grassroots con, with many people who are disabled, LGBT/etc.
[17:35] <popey> Sadly not, I won't be able to come to it this time.
[17:36] <popey> cool.
[17:36] <rindolf> popey: ah, OK.
[17:36] <rindolf> popey: are you too busy?
[17:36] <popey> need to spend time with the family
[17:36] <rindolf> popey: ah.
[17:36] <rindolf> popey: how old are your children?
[17:36] <popey> 7 & 10
[17:36] <rindolf> popey: ah, so quite old.
[17:37] <popey> yeah. one just had an operation so is recovering
[17:37] <rindolf> popey: I'd love to meet them too.
[17:37] <popey> so this weekend is a special blend of caring for one while not leaving the other one out
[17:37] <rindolf> popey: ah, I see. Good luck to him.
[17:37] <rindolf> popey: ah.
[17:38] <rindolf> popey: I think it's important to encourage people like that to not be needy.
[17:38] <popey> heh
[17:38] <rindolf> popey: and children should not be pushed into doing things they don't want to do.
[17:38] <rindolf> popey: there's always time to change.
[17:38] <popey> Someone very incosiderate is cooking bbq near me, I can smell it and am now very hungry, and have to go cook..
[17:39] <popey> another time rindolf ☻
[17:39] <rindolf> popey: bye ,, bon appetit.
[17:39] <rindolf> popey: you can also order food from a restaurant.
[17:39] <rindolf> Time >>> Money.
[17:42] <ali1234> not if you're unemployed
[17:43] <rindolf> ali1234: I'm happily unemployed and still thinks so.
[17:44] <ali1234> so how do you deal with having nothing to do all day and no money?
[17:44] <rindolf> ali1234: if you invest a little money doing something you love and that benefits you and other people, it pays back in spades later on - "Cast your bread upon the waters".
[17:44] <rindolf> ali1234: I have plenty to do.
[17:44] <rindolf> ali1234: I'm not bored at all.
[17:45] <rindolf> ali1234: boredom is a state of mind.
[17:45] <rindolf> ali1234: i have a lot of free time, though which is good.
[17:46]  * rindolf is going down to the con to meet some strangers - you can call me at +972-54-6232377
[17:46]  * rindolf is away.
[17:46] <rindolf> I don't usually IRC using my smartphone.
[18:03] <ali1234> anyone heard of these sportlobster clowns?
[18:03] <ali1234> they appear to be padding their social network with fake accounts using real email addresses
[18:08] <mapps> NO what is it
[18:08] <mapps> sportlobster?!
[18:09] <ali1234> it's a rubbish social networking site for people who like football
[18:09] <mapps> ugh
[18:09] <mapps> £39
[18:09] <mapps> woking -> stoke first class
[18:09] <mapps> :D
[18:09] <mapps> bargain!
[18:09] <ali1234> they claim to have 4 million users
[18:09] <mapps> always book in advance:)
[18:10] <mapps> talks cheap!
[18:10] <ali1234> i don't believe it. seems to be a scam to relieve premiership footballers of their cash
[18:13] <mapps> i used to get texts to my old o2 number 'PRO GAMBLER 20/1 HORSE TODAY' etc £1.53 a min
[18:13] <mapps> and its like..seriously
[18:13] <mapps> who rings them
[18:26] <switchtehbeat> erm, help?! anyone sold on ebay before from the UK?
[18:33] <switchtehbeat> anyone? it's really important!
[18:35]  * MartijnVdS stops the presses
[18:37] <switchtehbeat> lolwut
[18:38] <mapps> yea
[18:39] <mapps> what switchtehbeat
[19:04] <switchtehbeat> sorted it :) thanks though! :D
[20:04] <diddledan> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-in-space-gnu-radio-and-the-isee-3-spacecraft
[21:02] <mapps> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nivea-For-Men-Travel-Essentials/dp/product-description/B0046SVNX0/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=65801031&s=drugstore
[21:03] <mapps> that says fine for hand luggage? anyone got any experience using something like that
[21:03] <mapps> rather than buying everytihng individually , the bags clear seethrough
[21:07] <Myrtti> the reviews look like it
[21:09] <mapps> yea
[21:09] <mapps> one thing i did wonder is if i could squeeze a bottle of eau de toilette in there too
[21:10] <mapps> the guidelines for ryan air sounds like only 1 clear bag with liquids per person
[21:11] <Myrtti> yeah.
[21:12] <Myrtti> not taking any checked in?
[21:12] <mapps> nah
[21:12] <mapps> only going for 4 nights
[21:13] <mapps> its like 70quid each way extra
[21:13] <mapps> is it 1 plastic see through bag for all airlines generally?
[21:13] <Myrtti> yes
[21:13] <mapps> oh
[21:13] <mapps> what do you do with say lighters? not allowed a lighter in hand luggage i believe?
[21:14] <ali1234> actually all the airlines have different size rules
[21:14] <mapps> ive always just left mine on a table before flying
[21:14] <ali1234> it's really annoying
[21:14] <Myrtti> one one liter resealable see through bag
[21:14] <ali1234> you can fly out then on the way back "sorry that bags too big, you can buy a slightly smaller one for £5 over there"
[21:14] <mapps> heh
[21:14] <mapps> last time we flew..got to 'duty free'
[21:14] <mapps> and realised we still had hotel keys;p
[21:15] <mapps> i dropped my wallet and my key fell out my mate bursts out layghing then realised he had his too:)
[21:15] <Myrtti> ali1234: which airline checks your hand luggage contents after The official one?
[21:15] <Myrtti> never heard of such thing
[21:15] <mapps> hm
[21:16] <ali1234> Myrtti: okay it differs depending on the country then :)
[21:16] <mapps> my friend got told his bag was too big for hand luggage
[21:16] <mapps> but thts all ive seen
[21:16] <Myrtti> hand.luggage size differs, sure - but the one liter resealable for liquids is constant
[21:16] <mapps> yea
[21:17] <ali1234> yeah except it isn't
[21:17] <ali1234> for example at manchester airport your clear resealable plastic bag must be no bigger than 20cmx20cm
[21:18] <ali1234> each item in the bag must be below 100ml
[21:19] <shauno> it's the same rule, just spelt differently
[21:20] <shauno> https://www.gov.uk/hand-luggage-restrictions/overview   "holds no more than a litre and measures approximately 20cm x 20cm"
[21:20] <mapps> when it says liquid 100ml
[21:20] <mapps> so eau de toillete of 50ml is fine for sure?
[21:21] <mapps> couldnt see anything specifically mentioning it just i always forget to bring any and toothpaste
[21:21] <ali1234> yep, the uk rules say "approximately"
[21:21] <ali1234> the ireland rules say "MUST"
[21:21] <ali1234> so you can fly out to ireland with a 21cm bag, but they won't let you bring it back
[21:21] <mapps> yea
[21:22] <ali1234> this actualy happened to my brother while i was right next to him
[21:22] <shauno> I can't confess I've ever seen them measure the bag
[21:22] <ali1234> they have a standard sized bag which they compare to your bag
[21:23] <ali1234> if your bag is bigger, "sorry, go to the vending machine and pay us £5"
[21:24] <ali1234> the rules might be the same everywhere but they way they are enforced is not
[21:24] <ali1234> it also probably depends how the guards are feeling on that day
[21:25] <Myrtti> this is why I always put all liquids in The checked in
[21:26] <shauno> well, I guess everything is up for interpretation.  eg, you enterpret 1 euro is 5 quid ;)
[21:26] <ali1234> actually it was 7 euro for the plastic bag in one of those little kinder-egg style balls
[21:27] <ali1234> "worst toy ever"
[21:27] <shauno> ouch.  they're 1eur for 2 at dublin airport
[21:29] <ali1234> someone probably kicked up a fuss. this was at dublin
[21:29] <ali1234> circa 2010
[21:30] <mapps> they were giving them out free at manc last time
[21:31] <ali1234> yep they were at heathrow when we flew out, which is why ine was the right size (he brought his own)
[22:16] <mapps> did anyone know the answer..can u take eau de toilette / aftershave
[22:16] <mapps> i googled but nothing comes up and it doesnt say u cant..just says liquids
[22:16] <mapps> 100ml or under..so i assume fine


[00:13] <c_smith_> I'm taking it that bkerensa's call that I recieved through Empathy was simply the wrong button on a phone or something
[15:42] <nathwill> is it naptime yet?
[15:56] <MaskilPDX> Somewhere it's always nap time
[17:31] <bkerensa> ugh
[17:31] <bkerensa> so tired
[17:32] <bkerensa> I should just loop Miss You - Trentemoller and setup my jabra portable bt speaker and go sleep
[20:56] <bkerensa> tgm4883: see you on the 20th?
[20:56] <bkerensa> :D


[01:28] <kaerhon> hi #xubuntu
[01:29] <kaerhon> do you know if i can display my computer's screen on my phone's and remotely control it?
[01:29] <kaerhon> my goal is playing in bed
[01:29] <kaerhon> lattency isn't an issue for the game i want to play
[01:43] <bazhang> something like the wii U?
[01:44] <bazhang> you most certainly can, not only with software , though
[01:45] <bazhang> what was the game you wanted to play, and is it on your computer or your phone
[01:45] <kaerhon> i don't know if like wii u
[01:46] <kaerhon> i'm just looking for playing to va-11 hall-A remotely x)
[01:46] <kaerhon> the game's on my computer
[01:46] <kaerhon> and i'd like to play it on my phone
[01:46] <kaerhon> the computer runs on xubuntu 16.10, the phone's android
[01:47] <kaerhon> i'm doing some research right now, looking for vnc stuff
[01:47] <bazhang> so it's on a xubuntu OS computer, and you want to remotely play it from your phone?
[01:47] <kaerhon> yeah
[01:47] <bazhang> using the phone as a controller?
[01:47] <kaerhon> as a controller and screen
[01:48] <kaerhon> for playing in the bathroom for instance
[01:48] <bazhang> android phone to xubuntu PC then
[01:49] <kaerhon> yeah?
[01:51] <bazhang> https://www.maketecheasier.com/access-ubuntu-pc-from-android/
[01:51] <bazhang> something like that?
[01:53] <kaerhon> hmm no, i won't be in the same room as my computer's screen
[01:54] <bazhang> I'm not quite sure what you propose to do then
[01:55] <bazhang> you want a game installed on your PC (xubuntu), and not only play it, but also use the android phone as a screen to play it on
[01:56] <kaerhon> yes
[01:56] <bazhang> I doubt any sort of combo of phone could do that
[01:56] <bazhang> it means a two way thing
[01:57] <kaerhon> i was searching for solutions on the vnc side
[01:57] <kaerhon> i don't know, i know nearly nothing about what's possible or not :/
[01:57] <kaerhon> thanks you for helping :)
[01:58] <bazhang> welcome!
[07:45] <eka> hi all, is there a way to open the menu with a shortcut and start typing the name of the app I want to execute? or I have to use something like launchy?
[07:53] <Unit193> Something other than Ctrl+Esc?
[07:53] <Unit193> Alt+F2?
[08:02] <eka> Unit193: that was it... Ctrl+Esc thanks!
[08:02] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[08:58] <xubuntu63w> hello, I running in to trouble setting up my graphic card on xubuntu 16.04 (quadro k600)
[09:00] <xubuntu63w> I did install the latest driver with crtl-alt-f2, stopping lightdm, running the correct nvidia.run and installed version 375. After restart only 367 and 340 are listed in additional drivers and only at 640x480
[09:01] <xubuntu63w> I also tried to addmode in xrandr but get a  (X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)) error
[09:02] <xubuntu63w> so I'm stuck getting my 1920x1080 resolution
[09:07] <YetAnotherStupid> hello
[09:07] <YetAnotherStupid> I'm struggling to change the Xubuntu behavior so it automatically runs autorun scripts when i mount removable drives
[09:09] <YetAnotherStupid> for example on Ubuntu it will ask me if I want to run the autorun scripts on my USB drive
[09:09] <YetAnotherStupid> here in Xubuntu I've checked everything, browsed all configuration pages and... nothing
[09:09] <YetAnotherStupid> it'll ignore all autorun scripts
[09:10] <YetAnotherStupid> i have to go into the terminal and run them manually every time
[09:27] <YetAnotherStupid> really? nobody?
[09:33] <Unit193> Check the settings in thunar-volman-settings
[09:34] <YetAnotherStupid> everything is checked
[10:50] <p00l3> Hello. I have orage clock in panel and i want to make it transparent since my panel is half transparent but this clock having still grey background.
[10:51] <MarkYisri> Hello, is anyone online here?
[12:11] <knome> p00l3, try one of the other plugins (they can/will open orage too), namely "Clock" or "DateTime" (you'll need to install xfce4-datetime-plugin to get this)
[12:12] <Unit193> Though I believe at this point they are functionally the same.
[12:13] <knome> DateTime gives you a bit more formatting options
[12:13] <knome> and Clock otoh allows you to use an analog clock etc...
[12:13] <knome> but yes, they are very close to each other
[12:14] <Unit193> Waiting for one of them to pick up the gsimple cal feature, you can configure it so when you click it you get more than one timezone in the dropdown.
[12:14] <Unit193> https://dmedvinsky.github.io/gsimplecal/g/scrot2.png
[12:16] <knome> right, but i want two timezones visible on the panel in different colors (:
[17:42] <JoWie> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/#lts gives me a 404 for the torrent downloads
[17:48] <flocculant> JoWie: ack - we'll get that sorted - thanks for letting us know - if you need it now http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/xenial/release/desktop/
[17:48] <JoWie> oh yea i already found it but just wanted to pass it along
[17:49] <flocculant> JoWie: cheers :)


[03:09] <xnox> FTBFS on riscv64 of vim
[03:09]  * xnox hates this raffle
[05:44] <mwhudson> so what's keeping popcon in main
[12:44] <cjwatson> So we occasionally get people turning up on #launchpad and similar who are trying to follow the Ubuntu packaging guide in order to prepare uploads to PPAs, and getting horribly confused because the packaging guide (packaging.ubuntu.com) is now really quite obsolete and in many places plain doesn't work, mainly due to referring to old bzr stuff that has been gently bitrotting for years.
[12:44] <cjwatson> This is a support problem for us.  Who can fix it?
[17:35] <xnox> cjwatson:  rick_h maybe?


[08:14] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: just fyi, we've got an awesome tweeting service which tweets about upcoming sessions, we have @ubuntuonair in twitter and ubuntuonair in identi.ca
[08:16] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:18] <elfy> morning czajkowski
[08:45] <s-fox> hello
[16:43] <jcastro> bkerensa: hook me up with some upvotes yo! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4281843
[16:43] <bkerensa> kk
[16:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: Cloudtura
[16:44] <jcastro> huh?
[16:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: new domain name I snapped up :P
[16:46] <jcastro> hey so if you want, rebench my blog
[16:46] <jcastro> google storage = fast
[17:21] <snap-l> bkerensa: Cloudtura? Is that like Sepultura?
[17:22] <bkerensa> snap-l: :P
[17:24] <snap-l> Max Cavelera wants to take your Cloud STRAIGHT. TO. THE. VOIIIIIIIIID.
[17:30] <jono> mhall119, ready in a few mins?
[17:31] <mhall119> jono: whenever you are
[17:31] <jono> thanks mhall119
[17:31] <jono> just wrapping a discussion
[18:01] <czajkowski> evening
[18:03] <elfy> good evening czajkowski
[18:03] <czajkowski> hey there
[18:03] <czajkowski> busy long day
[18:03] <czajkowski> now to tackle my ubuntu work
[18:04] <czajkowski> at least I can sit in the garden doing that and relax :)
[18:04] <elfy> I Assume you got home then :)
[18:04] <czajkowski> lovely heat!
[18:04] <czajkowski> I work from home
[18:04] <elfy> yea - smashing
[18:04] <czajkowski> I go into the office once maybe twice a week
[18:04] <elfy> even better czajkowski
[18:04] <czajkowski> it;s 25 in the back garden now
[18:04] <elfy> not Friday this week then I hope :)
[18:05] <elfy> wish I had a garden :)
[18:05] <nothingspecial> it's even nice up here
[18:05] <czajkowski> have an uber busy week.
[18:05] <elfy> yay
[18:05] <czajkowski> Saturday BBQ :D
[18:05] <nothingspecial> \o/
[18:05] <elfy> excellent use of a saturday :)
[18:05] <czajkowski> next week then bf birthday and then his friends engagment party, then i'm on holidays! whoo
[18:05] <czajkowski> elfy: lets hope the weather remains the same
[18:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is host to the Ubuntu UK BBQ
[18:06] <elfy> I am full of hope
[18:06] <elfy> aah yes - seen that on the m/list :)
[18:06]  * elfy is not going
[18:13] <AlanBell> aww
[18:13] <elfy> too far AlanBell and no money makes bracknell a long walk ;)
[18:13] <AlanBell> it will be fun
[18:13] <JoseeAntonioR> when's it?
[18:13] <nothingspecial> Where's bracknell ?
[18:14] <elfy> I'm sure - but I am seriously poor lol
[18:14] <AlanBell> but it won't be in bracknell
[18:14] <elfy> AlanBell: where will it be then?
[18:14] <AlanBell> farnham
[18:14] <AlanBell> surrey
[18:14] <elfy> still al long walk from Lymington :)
[18:14] <AlanBell> true
[18:15] <elfy> nothingspecial: in the sensible part of the country - that is south of a line drawn from london to bristol :)
[18:15] <nothingspecial> 4 hour drive :(
[18:15] <elfy> AlanBell: I might be in Brighton about the time the m/l is talking of the pub thing - if so I will come along
[18:16] <elfy> if it ends ip being there lol
[18:16] <nothingspecial> not far from you elfy
[18:16] <elfy> not in a car no :)
[18:17] <nothingspecial> £84 on the train
[18:35] <jono> balloons, all set in a few mins?
[18:37] <balloons> jono, sure sure
[18:40] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/327652fd462b9fda0c71bb576cbcb8deba34d268?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[18:41] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: hey so we're going to start the hangout earlier right?
[18:41] <jcastro> I don't see it on the fridge calendar?
[18:42] <balloons> coming
[18:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: yep, at 18UTC
[18:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: I'll also add it to the fridge calendar, although we have our own calendar ;)
[18:43] <jcastro> what?
[18:43] <jcastro> seriously, another calendar, no!
[18:43] <jcastro> just use the fridge calendar
[18:43] <pleia2> we can't, the bot needs its own calendar
[18:43] <jcastro> sigh
[18:43] <jcastro> I don't understand why we're adding all this complicated stuff
[18:43] <jcastro> we don't need an IRC channel or bots
[18:43] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: otherwise, the topic, tweeting and identi.ca thingies won't work
[18:44] <jcastro> the topic for what? it's a radio show!
[18:44] <JoseeAntonioR> and what about the tweeting/dent features?
[18:44] <jcastro> anyway, whatever, how do you feel about starting an hour earlier?
[18:44] <jcastro> what is it tweeting?
[18:45] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: twitter?
[18:45] <JoseeAntonioR> we have @UbuntuOnAir
[18:45] <pleia2> it's the same bot as classroom but with some modifications for the on air sessions, so it tweets 10 minutes prior to the session, and when the session starts
[18:45] <jcastro> well we could always just tweet directly on the account during the broadcast
[18:45] <pleia2> (we can also send it tweets via a command as a PM to the bot)
[18:45] <JoseeAntonioR> so twitter followers will know when a session is about to start
[18:47] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: starting an hour before is fine for me, I'll be here at least 15 mins before we start
[18:47] <jcastro> ok
[18:47] <JoseeAntonioR> bdmurray wanted a test session
[18:47] <JoseeAntonioR> aka one of our speakers
[18:47] <jcastro> ok so 1700-1900 on thursday right?
[18:48] <jcastro> yeah that's fine, you had someone else right?
[18:48] <jcastro> there were like 2?
[18:48] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, bdmurray and bkerensa
[18:48] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: didn't we agree in 18-20utc?
[18:48] <JoseeAntonioR> we were supposed to do it 19-21, and already changed it
[18:48] <bkerensa> ?
[18:48] <jcastro> oh ok
[18:48] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: uonair
[18:48] <jcastro> what does the calendar say, 18-20?
[18:48] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah
[18:49] <jcastro> ok perfect, let me add that to the fridge calendar
[18:49] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[18:50] <jcastro> I'll grab a few more people
[18:50] <jcastro> we should get Joey up in here.
[18:50] <JoseeAntonioR> that's fine for sure
[18:50] <bkerensa> :D I get my Chevy Volt tomorrow :P
[18:50] <JoseeAntonioR> which Joey?
[18:50] <jcastro> omg joey
[18:50] <bkerensa> lol
[18:50] <JoseeAntonioR> oh :P
[18:50] <jcastro> popey: were you going to pop in for a bit as well?
[18:50] <bkerensa> he uses a Mac though
[18:50] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:51] <JoseeAntonioR> popey sent an email to Joey
[18:51] <JoseeAntonioR> if you want people in the hangout, just let me know to add them to uonair circles, I can also give you the password for it
[18:52] <JoseeAntonioR> don't forget to add uonair back
[18:52] <jcastro> ok
[18:52] <jcastro> I'm thinking of a few people to ask
[18:52] <jcastro> bkerensa: I think getting vanhoof on there again will be useful, he mentioned so much stuff that many people didn't take out of the onair
[18:53] <bkerensa> jcastro: good idea... you should get mims to come on :D
[18:54] <jcastro> we'll be there
[18:54] <jcastro> and I noticed most of the stuff was all desktopy stuff
[18:54] <jcastro> server people are too busy RUNNING THE PLANET to be on hangouts.
[18:54] <jcastro> wow, I am disappointed. I was expecting a onair mailing list too.
[18:55] <jcastro> (NOTE: Do not create, that was a joke.)
[18:55] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: we can get one, too
[18:55] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[18:55] <bkerensa> jcastro: someone registered ubuntuonair.com ?
[18:55] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: popey did
[18:56] <bkerensa> LOL
[18:56] <jcastro> yeah
[18:56] <jcastro> it's awesome isn't it
[18:56] <bkerensa> not as awesome as Cloudtura :P
[18:56] <jcastro> ok so who has control of that wordpress instance?
[18:56] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: popey and I, and I can get an account for you
[18:56] <jcastro> sure, or you can add stuff
[18:56] <jcastro> question.
[18:56] <JoseeAntonioR> go for it
[18:56] <jcastro> maybe instead of aggregating from everywhere
[18:57] <jcastro> we can plop a disqus right on this page?
[18:57] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: I was thinking on something like that, maybe a "social chat" widget
[18:57] <JoseeAntonioR> we can get people to login with their facebook/twitter accounts
[18:58] <jcastro> do we have a wiki page?
[18:59] <jcastro> (seriously asking, so we can schedule the order of speakers)
[18:59] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: nope, we don't have one
[18:59] <jcastro> can you mail me an account for the wordpress?
[18:59] <jcastro> I think I'll just add the stuff there
[19:00] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: sure, one sec
[19:00] <pleia2> mhall119: made this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/OnAir
[19:01] <jcastro> that works, ta
[19:01] <pleia2> (currently it's more of a "best practices" but it can be expanded)
[19:01] <jcastro> oh that's general best practices
[19:01] <jcastro> ok I'll put like the speaker schedule and stuff on the page
[19:01] <pleia2> yeah
[19:01] <jcastro> the ubuntuonair.com page I mean
[19:01] <bkerensa> We should be smart and not use google on air
[19:01] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:02] <bkerensa> We should use Kaltura which is Open Source ;)
[19:02] <jcastro> oooh, that'd be a nice charm
[19:02] <bkerensa> jcastro: :P I'm sure their CM would love a charm
[19:02] <bkerensa> he has already said he would comp us if we wanted to use their platform
[19:03] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: the easy part of g+ hangouts are that they automatically get recorded on the youtube channel, so people won't have to spend hours uploading videos
[19:03] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: Kaltura does the same
[19:03] <bkerensa> ;)
[19:03] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, then may be an option
[19:03] <jcastro> bkerensa: file a wishlist for that in lp/charms please
[19:03] <bkerensa> kk
[19:03] <jcastro> http://www.kaltura.org/kalorg/kalturaCE/trunk/INSTALLATION.txt
[19:03] <jcastro> include a link to that
[19:04] <jcastro> I just broke my 2 factor auth for my SSO so I need to fix that. :-/
[19:04] <JoseeAntonioR> ouch, good luck
[19:05] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: mind a quick PM?
[19:05] <jcastro> Mail pls, I'm about to be kicked off all the services I am on
[19:05]  * jcastro goes to call ISD
[19:07] <mhall119> jcastro: have fun
[19:07] <mhall119> tell them I said hello :)
[19:51] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: link me to your blog pls
[20:09] <jcastro> popey: around?
[20:09] <popey> ya
[20:10] <jcastro> hey so I made a disqus for ubuntuonair
[20:10] <jcastro> can you pm me your disqus email or username so I can make you an admin?
[20:10] <jcastro> also
[20:10] <popey> ugh
[20:10] <jcastro> any idea how to enable it for the wordpress page?
[20:11] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: sorry, almost fell asleep, joseeantonior.wordpress.com
[20:11] <popey> yeah, sure
[20:11] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: pm me your disqus username too pls
[20:12] <popey> jcastro, popeydc is my disqus account
[20:13] <popey> jcastro, might need to change that page to a post to enable comments?
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah that's what I was wondering
[20:13] <popey> http://wordpress.org/support/topic/how-to-allow-comments-on-pages
[20:13] <jcastro> if I had to change it to a post instead of a page
[20:13] <popey> seems you can do it
[20:13] <popey> tweak the page.php in the theme
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah just looking where in the UI that is
[20:14] <popey> appearance -> themes
[20:15] <jcastro> and then where?
[20:15] <jcastro> it's all like gui, doesn't show me where I can edit the templates
[20:15] <jcastro> also what's this hosted on? Will it scale?
[20:15] <popey> its on my vps
[20:16] <popey> if you wanna put it "in the cloud" go ahead
[20:16] <popey> I'll happily point it wherever
[20:16] <jcastro> ok so
[20:16] <jcastro> why not just move it over to the youtube page once that goes live?
[20:16] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: free for a test session?
[20:16] <popey> you still need to point dns somewhere
[20:16] <popey> could certainly just put in an http redirect
[20:17] <popey> thats not going to take much effort
[20:17] <popey> in fact that was my original suggestion :)
[20:17] <jcastro> I dunno
[20:17] <jcastro> that seems like asking for trouble
[20:17] <popey> how so?
[20:17] <jcastro> redirect from a VPS?
[20:17] <jcastro> no thanks.
[20:17] <popey> explain
[20:18] <jcastro> hey so how about this, I get awesome WP set up, we change DNS, and then run the thing on the cloud, when it's over you change DNS back
[20:18] <popey> as I said, i dont care where it runs
[20:18] <popey> I'll point the domain at whatever you want
[20:18] <jcastro> okey
[20:18] <popey> i just set that up because there was nothing else there
[20:18] <popey> and it was "easy"
[20:18]  * jcastro nods
[20:18] <jcastro> this will work
[20:18] <jcastro> I'll juju it
[20:18] <popey> to the cloud!
[20:18] <jcastro> and then when we're not live doing stuff
[20:18] <jcastro> we'll run it off your vps
[20:19] <popey> sounds like a plan
[20:19] <jcastro> or leave up a splash page or something
[20:19] <jcastro> ok so before then
[20:19] <jcastro> where can I edit this theme php?
[20:20] <jcastro> popey: we'll change it tomorrow when I can get you an ip
[20:21] <popey> jcastro, http://ubuntuonair.com/wp-admin/theme-editor.php?file=page.php&theme=thematic
[20:21] <jcastro> aha! thanks
[20:21] <popey> np
[20:21] <jcastro> man i could not find that
[20:22] <jcastro> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[20:22] <jcastro> awwww yeah
[20:22] <jcastro> this will be great
[20:22] <JoseeAntonioR> yay!
[20:22] <JoseeAntonioR> should we also get a Ubuntu On Air song?
[20:24] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: what about the Next hangout in... widget?
[20:24] <popey> feel free :D
[20:25] <popey> just remember whatever you do, jcastro is gonna have to replicate it in the cloud
[20:25] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: where can I find the code for it?
[20:25] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[20:25] <JoseeAntonioR> I mean, the one you have at podcast.ubuntu-uk.com
[20:26] <popey> ahhh, that
[20:26] <popey> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-content/themes/uupc4/countdown.js"></script>
[20:26] <popey> there :)
[20:27] <popey> it looks up the date of the next event by looking at the google calendar of our show
[20:27] <JoseeAntonioR> that's great, I'll try to mod it
[20:27] <popey> ooh, you need /wp-content/themes/uupc4/countdown.php too
[20:27] <popey> hmmm
[20:29] <popey> thats not my code.. one moment
[20:29] <daker>  hi
[20:29]  * JoseeAntonioR waits
[20:29] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, daker
[20:30] <popey> have emailed the author and asked if he can make it available JoseeAntonioR
[20:30] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thank you
[20:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: we may be able to get a widget like the one in the top-right corner in podcast.ubuntu-uk.org
[20:31] <popey> its time-zone sensitive too, so gives an accurate countdown
[20:32] <JoseeAntonioR> we may use raw UTC
[20:32] <popey> you don't need to
[20:33] <popey> just put it in the calendar, and the widget shows the right time
[20:33] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, got it
[20:40] <jcastro> hey popey
[20:40] <jcastro> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:40] <jcastro> that will be the IP
[20:41] <jcastro> but don't point it yet pls
[20:43] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: will it be available before the session starts? remember we have to change the embed link 1min or 30s before
[20:43] <jcastro> yeah
[20:43] <jcastro> I am setting it up now
[20:43] <jcastro> and planning for the DNS delay
[20:43] <jcastro> we'll be way good
[20:44]  * jcastro deploys on HP Cloud
[20:44] <JoseeAntonioR> that's the benefit of having juju on our side
[20:44] <jcastro> I just talked to Marco, this will be sweet
[20:45] <jcastro> later on we'll automate it so we can do this faster.
[20:45] <jcastro> but for now we'll have to copy the configs/etc over by hand
[20:45] <jcastro> that shouldn't be a problem
[20:45] <popey> of course there's no reason it has to be wordpress
[20:45] <popey> could be a static html page in the cloud :)
[20:45] <popey> held in bzr :)
[20:46] <jcastro> true
[20:46] <jcastro> but it's things like this which juju was made to solve
[20:46] <jcastro> pretend it's not a static webpage though. :)
[20:47] <jcastro> popey: post-this-hangout we'll do like off of a S3 bucket or something
[20:48] <popey> when is it due to start?
[20:48] <popey> in UTC
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> 18
[20:49] <popey> 18 on the thursday?
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[20:49] <popey> yay, my kind of time :)
[20:49] <jcastro> wanna cohost?
[20:50] <jcastro> your accent brings in pageviews
[20:50] <popey> lol
[20:50] <popey> sure
[20:50] <popey> I'll have to tidy my office :D
[20:50] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[20:55] <JoseeAntonioR> should uonair add Robert to its circles?
[20:56] <jcastro> yeah
[20:58] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: you should add back
[21:48] <elfy> goodnight
[21:53] <cjohnston> /3/22
[23:14]  * bkerensa slaps jcastro around with a large trout


[20:02] <hendrikus> Hello how can i install Edubuntu on a webserver?
[20:11] <hendrikus> Hello how can i install Edubuntu on a webserver? Like what they did on Edubuntu Web Live.
[20:15] <mhall119> hendrikus: they've got a custom setup for that, I don't think there's any pre-packaged way of doing it
[20:15] <mhall119> but why would you even want such a setup?
[20:19] <hendrikus> mhall119: but why would you even want such a setup? ____ For a HomeSchool project
[20:20] <mhall119> hendrikus: a normal LTSP setup would be better suited to that
[20:21] <ardian> Is there any edubuntu version for more high school students ?
[20:22] <hendrikus> mhall119: a normal LTSP setup would be better suited to that ___ o.k I have to studie what's a LTSP setup?
[20:22] <mhall119> ardian: there are edubuntu packages for those grade levels, yes
[20:22] <ardian> mhall119, that's awesome can you tell me more about that ?
[20:22] <mhall119> ubuntu-edu-secondary is high school (I think)
[20:23] <mhall119> it has more science and math games and activities
[20:23] <mhall119> ardian: check out the list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuide
[20:24] <mhall119> and there's more stuff coming in Edubuntu 11.04
[20:24] <ardian> cool
[20:24] <ardian> I like the idea of edubuntu
[20:24] <ardian> thanks a lot
[20:25] <ardian> As I see mosft of these packages are for KDE
[20:25] <mhall119> KDE has a large selection of very nice educational games and apps
[20:25] <ardian> I see
[20:26] <mhall119> that are developed as part of the KDE EDU project: http://edu.kde.org/
[20:26] <ardian> so I should get the KDE version
[20:26] <mhall119> KDE apps will run fine on Gnome
[20:26] <ardian> ah so great than
[20:26] <mhall119> Gnome apps will also run fine on KDE
[20:31] <mhall119> hendrikus: sorry, missed your earlier post
[20:31] <ardian> ubuntu-edu-secondary is pre-installed
[20:32] <mhall119> LTSP is a way to run multiple desktop sessions from a single powerful computer to multiple under-powered computers
[20:32] <mhall119> ardian: I think all the ubuntu-edu-* packages are installed on the DVD
[20:32] <ardian> yes I am using the DVD
[20:32] <ardian> Well a good idea would be to have more programming apps pre-installed
[20:33] <mhall119> ardian: suggestions?
[20:33] <mhall119> we've already got Laby scheduled for inclusion in 11.04
[20:33] <ardian> ok I will make a list of suggestions and send them to you
[20:33] <mhall119> kturtle is a programming app
[20:33] <ardian> Yes
[20:33] <ardian> It's awesome for kids
[20:33] <mhall119> ardian: cool, we've still got time to add them to the 11.04 apps list
[20:34] <ardian> cool
[20:35] <hendrikus> mhall119:  hendrikus: sorry, missed your earlier post ____ Thanks you for your help and exusses. Can you tel me more about the LTSP setup?
[20:37] <mhall119> hendrikus: http://edubuntu.org/documentation has a list of documentation on LTSP