[07:23] <elfy> thanks knome - I guess it must be perms then
[07:45] <knome> elfy, possibly... i guess you wasn't able to register a serie?
[07:45] <knome> elefy, (do you have a "series" tab in the admin?)
[07:45] <knome> elfy too :P
[07:45] <elfy> no - can't look now obviously with the 403
[07:46] <knome> oh, duh
[07:46] <knome> yeah
[07:46] <elfy> yes I had series tab :)
[07:46] <knome> oki
[07:46] <knome> then i guess you just should have registered one
[07:46] <elfy> had all the tabs in packages that we see in iso
[07:46] <knome> i don't know what you see in there, but okay
[07:46] <elfy> it wouldn't let me :)
[07:46] <knome> aha, ok
[07:46] <knome> then it's a permissions issues for sure
[07:47] <knome> i happen to be in the qa-website-devel team, so i guess i have access to *everything*
[07:47] <elfy> yep - that's why I needed someone (like you) to have a look as well :)
[07:47] <knome> yep, np
[07:47] <knome> glad to help
[07:47] <elfy> thanks anyway :)
[07:48] <elfy> was just looking at the kubuntu trello board https://trello.com/c/8lGyen85/8-port-kdesu-to-pkexec
[07:48] <knome> bah, should do some $work (and -ish)
[07:48] <elfy> might try and follow that - see what they do
[07:48] <knome> lol, when i go to that screen, i get a message
[07:48] <knome> "Thanks for using Trello. You're all logged out." :P
[07:48] <elfy> ha ha
[07:49] <knome> oh harald
[07:50] <knome> sent him a PM and asked to join here and keep us informed
[07:51] <elfy> bluesabre: where are our pkexec policies? thinking about *others*
[07:58] <knome> /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/ ?
[07:59] <elfy> sorry - too early in the day here ...
[08:00] <elfy> I meant which package provides them :)
[08:03] <knome> generally it should be the package that the policy is for, eg. mousepad for mousepad policy
[08:03] <knome> but i don't know if we ship (some of) them in xubuntu-default-settings for now
[08:03] <knome> those are the two options afaik
[08:03] <elfy> mmm - I thought that was where they were - x-d-s
[08:04] <knome> if they were there, non-xubuntu-desktop users wouldn't be able to benefit from the policy files we created, so that's why the source packages for the binaries :)
[08:05] <elfy> yep
[08:16] <bluesabre> that's correct, on both accounts.
[08:16] <knome> of course i'm correct!
[08:20] <elfy> iirc when I did bug report for this at bugzilla - got "what's this for?" I think eric did it in the end
[08:57] <dkessel> hah
[08:58]  * dkessel got his xubuntu stickers from unixstickers
[08:58] <dkessel> didn't know this is an italian company... nice
[09:02] <knome> me neither
[09:09] <dkessel> https://i.imgur.com/qtS9vN5.jpg
[09:09] <dkessel> also, pleia2, if you're interested in what the unixstickers look like ^
[09:11] <knome> guess i need a set of those at some point
[09:11] <knome> or want, more accurately
[10:11] <bluesabre> they're really good quality... I've ordered several stickers, and recently a xubuntu pin
[10:19] <knome> ok, bbl
[10:21] <ochosi> morning folks
[10:22] <slickymasterWork> morning ochosi
[11:22] <brainwash> bluesabre: fixed in debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763726
[11:54] <slickymasterWork> knome, I've been wondering about the short glossary of the different tags we use idea
[11:55] <slickymasterWork> knome, and my doubt is the scope of it, ie., would we only be considering entities from MENUS and items?
[11:59] <slickymasterWork> or should we broaden this scope to INLINE ICONS and Whisker Menu for example
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> any thoughts?
[12:01] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8: ^^^
[14:04] <pleia2> dkessel: hooray
[14:48] <knome> slickymasterWork, anything that's used in the docs broadly
[14:48] <knome> like the packages and keycap icon
[15:52] <slickymasterWork> hmmm, knome
[15:52] <slickymasterWork> so much for a short glossary then
[17:06] <elfy> evening all
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy
[17:08] <elfy> what use is a short glossary :p
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> knome, instead of a "how to read this documentation" section linked to in the welcome section on the main page, I'm thinking if it wouldn't be a better approach to this all glossary thing to make an appendix
[17:12] <slickymasterWork> elfy, it all started here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/10/29/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t12:11
[17:12] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8: ^^
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> thing is that I'm afraid that this short glossary might not end up being so short and it may result in a potential cluttering of the docs
[17:14] <elfy> too much doc talk for me I'm afraid ;)
[17:14] <slickymasterWork> lol
[17:14]  * slickymasterWork was wondering waht would elfy's reaction be ;)
[17:19] <Unit193> I'd note thunar 1.6.3-2 was uploaded, but it's already been noted...
[17:19] <elfy> I've not seen the note noted - so thanks :)
[17:21] <Unit193> Debian #763726 was fixed.
[17:22] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, oth it just got a fresh one -> bug 1387695´
[17:22] <elfy> Unit193: I'm not actually plagued by that bug in vivid
[17:22] <Unit193> mp3 files try to open in audacity, not vlc...
[17:23] <elfy> not here - they open in clementine - as expected
[17:31] <knome> slickymasterWork, appendix works for me as well
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> ok, knome, but don't you think we might potentially be facing something way to heavy to be somehow forced to the main docs structure?
[17:33] <knome> hmm?
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> an appendix would be a good avoiding solution
[17:34] <knome> wherever we put it (inside the main index, or as an appendix), the markup to create the subchapter is essentially the same
[17:34] <knome> we can see where it fits the best after we've written it
[17:34] <knome> the appendix idea is good enough
[17:34] <knome> we can still link to it in the introduction
[17:35] <knome> which we probably want to review
[17:35] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll start doing it, including the markup, and we'll see where it fits the best then
[17:35] <knome> wasn't jack goint to look at it?
[17:35] <knome> going too
[17:37] <slickymasterWork> quite right you are knome, quite right
[17:37] <slickymasterWork> heh
[17:37] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8: ^^
[17:37] <knome> if we want to collaborate on it, push it into a pad :)
[20:25] <elfy> dkessel: well it appears that work for our stuff on autopilot will actually be usable
[20:27] <Noskcaj> Is anyone doing the thunar merge or should i take it?
[20:32] <dkessel> elfy: good to know
[20:33] <elfy> indeed - which is why I thought I'd check :)
[20:37] <elfy> skellat: when you get chance can you add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware please - tia :)


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[19:12] <pleia2> doing alpha1 fridge post
[19:12] <silverlion> evening pleia2
[21:12]  * silverlion knocks on the table
[21:12] <pleia2> anything we can help you with, silverlion?
[21:13] <silverlion> pleia2: that is just a german way to say hi
[21:13] <silverlion> am sorry if interupted something
[21:13] <pleia2> not interrupting, just wanted to make sure you didn't need anything :)
[21:14] <silverlion> pleia2: i could need some assisting in creating ebooks, but that is all ^^ and guess nothing you could help me with, right?
[21:14] <pleia2> nope, sorry
[21:17] <silverlion> thought so ^^ but if you like, you could read an article of mine about the work i do ^^ in the current Full Circle Magazine ;)
[21:19] <pleia2> I've been writing for FCM for a few years (still do), so I read them
[21:19] <pleia2> currently contributing the Xfce section of the Closing Windows series
[21:20] <pleia2> and do Ubuntu Women columns when we have material for them
[21:20] <silverlion> pleia2: i know ;)
[21:20] <silverlion> i am converting them into the ebooks ;)
[21:20] <pleia2> I know
[21:26] <bkerensa> silverlion: you know pleia2 is famous she is in the next issue of Ubuntu User!
[21:26] <bkerensa> :P
[21:26] <silverlion> bkerensa: well everyone what he / she deserves
[21:27]  * silverlion is happy to be a "small" light in the big community ... if you understand
[21:28] <bkerensa> :D
[21:29] <pleia2> bkerensa is famous, he wrote the feature article in the next issue of Ubuntu User!
[21:29] <silverlion> and what if i dont want to be famous?
[21:29] <pleia2> we're just joking around :)
[21:30] <silverlion> pleia2: got that ;)
[21:30] <silverlion> pleia2: there are people who want to make me famous
[21:31] <silverlion> by telling the work I do for FCM is kinda art
[21:31] <pleia2> I always wanted to be rich anyway, not famous
[21:31]  * pleia2 suddenly realizing that doing work with open source software was a lousy way to go about this ;)
[21:32] <silverlion> pleia2: i ONLY use open source ... the only thing i payed for is the bad OS with the W in Front
[21:32] <silverlion> which i am using now because i am sitting in my corner
[21:32] <silverlion> not at my desk
[21:32] <bkerensa> pleia2: I prefer rich over fame but only if its rich enough to have an accountant full time to deal with taxes and pay people :P
[21:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: haha
[21:33] <bkerensa> doing the UU article likely made my taxes a bit more complicated this year
[21:33] <bkerensa> =/
[21:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I hear that
[21:33] <bkerensa> Well it depends... If they file a 1099-MISC which they are not required to unless its $600 then it could be more complicated
[21:33] <silverlion> bkerensa: why is that (if i may ask as an European with absolutely no idea of american taxes)
[21:34] <bkerensa> if not then it will be fine
[21:34] <bkerensa> silverlion: our tax system is overly complicated
[21:34] <bkerensa> :D
[21:34] <pleia2> I moonlit as a technical reviewer one year, made about $1200, caused tax headaches (it was so much easier with just a W2!)
[21:34] <pleia2> but now my fiance's taxes are so complicated we just send everything for both of us off to an accountant and let him worry about it
[21:35] <pleia2> (he has a lot of investments and things via Google)
[21:35] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah so when I get gadgets some companies do their duty and report to the IRS which is not fun because I get hit with paying tax on free tech gadgets
[21:35] <bkerensa> but some dont
[21:35] <pleia2> yeah
[21:35] <bkerensa> it really depends on the value of the item...
[21:35]  * silverlion would love to come to the States (or even to an UDS) but financials does not approve that :(
[21:35] <bkerensa> Dell gave me a laptop and never reported it or had me fill out paperwork
[21:35] <bkerensa> :P
[21:35] <pleia2> woo $2000 free laptop..er, $200 $2000 laptop
[21:35] <bkerensa> funny they hit the UDS dell laptop winners :D
[21:36] <pleia2> not surprising though
[21:36] <bkerensa> well yeah those ultrabooks are spendy I think
[21:36] <pleia2> yeah
[21:36] <bkerensa> the Dell 14z I got was new and only priced at $689 I think
[21:37] <pleia2> do you pay taxes in the state it was won?
[21:37] <pleia2> /given/whatever
[21:37] <pleia2> because california sales tax, ouch :)
[21:37] <bkerensa> My understanding is no
[21:37] <bkerensa> not unless I exceed $13000 in gifts
[21:37] <pleia2> ah
[21:38] <bkerensa> then I pay 3% to 25% depending on how far over 13k


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[02:22] <mup> PR core#73 opened: Support for armhf binaries on arm64 (aarch64) operating system <Created by abbotware> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/73>
[11:50] <danven> Hi. I just installed core on a Pi2. Does  the OS update itself regularly and/or can you also force an update? (so not the snaps but the core itself)
[18:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#1872 opened: adding option to decompress tar.lzma cleanly <Created by heesen3> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1872>


[07:31] <didrocks> good morning
[07:33] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:33] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:34] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:52] <willcooke> desktoppers - do the bb review in 10 mins?
[07:52] <willcooke> didrocks, I'll send you a hangout link.  duflu - do you want to get involved too?
[07:59] <duflu> willcooke, yes, let me get set up
[08:01] <duflu> willcooke, got a link?
[08:02] <willcooke> duflu, didrocks https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/will?authuser=0
[08:15] <didrocks> willcooke: coming in 5min
[08:19] <willcooke> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1725921
[08:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1725921 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] Combobox menus have gray text on gray background" [High,In progress]
[08:36] <duflu> How do I stop the automatic suspend feature on the login screen? 3.27 seems to want to suspend the whole machine even when I am ssh'd in
[08:37] <duflu> (and yes I already set automatic suspend to off in settings)
[08:45] <seb128> duflu, unsure if you can do that
[08:45] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/khgnQ2WMcb/
[08:45] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, how do you feel about that?
[08:51] <duflu> seb128, I thought it should be possible since shutdown warns you about ssh users
[08:52] <seb128> something needs to take an suspend inhibitor
[08:52] <duflu> Probably not... ssh is not a GUI client
[08:54] <duflu> New fun fact: gnome-shell consume Wayland frames at 119Hz
[08:54] <duflu> It should be 59.95Hz
[08:55] <cyphermox> Laney: reviewing your MP3 MIRs, let's chat if you have time?
[08:56] <Laney> sure, come find me in the desktop room
[09:08] <cyphermox> Laney: ok, in a minute
[09:10] <Laney> ♥
[09:32]  * duflu wonders if it's a waste of time trying to use LP while the sprint is on
[09:33] <seb128> why?
[09:33] <sarnold> I have to admit I've been enjoying being 100ms closer to the mail server :)
[09:34] <seb128> the sprint has no impact on launchpad
[09:34] <seb128> though I'm hitting timeouts atm, but that's probably "just" a launchpad issue
[09:34] <duflu> seb128, yeah it was fine till Budapest woke up
[09:34] <duflu> That's ok, I'll tag it to be done tomorrow
[09:35] <seb128> duflu, I asked on #launchpad anyway
[09:35] <duflu> I have always wondered why the timeouts occur at all. Because the error occurs *before* any reasonable timeout ellapses
[09:37] <seb128> duflu, it worked now on the bug I was trying to edit, so maybe it's back to normal
[09:39] <duflu> seb128, yes works
[09:39] <duflu> yes; it works
[09:39] <seb128> good
[10:41]  * didrocks grrrrs at people comitting non building version in a VCS…
[10:49] <Laney> jbicha: I'd rather ximion did it if he has time
[10:49] <Laney> it's not technically team :/
[10:49] <jbicha> Laney: good morning. I don't know when he returns from holiday
[10:50] <Laney> was around yesterday
[11:03] <seb128> jamesh, robert_ancell, kenvandine, the "support multiple apps in a snap" card is "in progress" without any update since january, what is missing and is it really being worked on atm?
[11:06] <jamesh> seb128: the feature is fixed in newer versions of gnome-software but hadn't been backported to xenial.  robert_ancell has offered to do that
[11:07] <seb128> jamesh, we probably don't need to handle the backport on this cycle trello board?
[11:08] <jamesh> seb128: it isn't tied to the 18.04 release cycle, no.
[11:10] <seb128> tkamppeter, did you see my ping about status update on https://trello.com/c/kMTto6kl/2-fix-printing-of-filled-pdf-forms-using-qpdf ?
[11:18] <willcooke> seb128, I'm looking at trello too :)  Can this be moved to done? https://trello.com/c/yjBpcmJh/173-remove-the-ecryptfs-option-from-the-installer
[11:19] <seb128> willcooke, it's in done no?
[11:19] <seb128> I moved it on friday
[11:19] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_form_radio
[11:19] <willcooke> seb128, oh, odd.  I refreshed and so it is.  I must have been using some very old cached version.  soz
[11:20] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for checking/asking in any case :)
[11:23] <seb128> kenvandine, tkamppeter, oSoMoN, we should maybe move https://trello.com/c/TxIN7fGQ/1-make-all-print-dialogs-use-current-printing-technologies-via-common-backends-cpdb to 18.10? We still have a backlog of MIRs we need that have higher priority than that one, the package and feature is new, it doesn't seem realistic that we get the reviews&promotion&testing for 18.10 at this point, wdyt?
[11:23] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[11:23] <seb128> also it would be for libreoffice only
[11:23] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks for the qpdf card update
[11:24] <willcooke> +1
[11:24] <seb128> didrocks, willcooke, https://trello.com/c/1O9c61mI/49-aws-greengrassd-snap-and-tutorials seems like something that we should get off the board ... do we want to move to the 18.10 column or just archive?
[11:25] <willcooke> seb128, to be clear re: printing LO: yeah I agree.  Too many other MIRs at this point so I think that if something has to give, that's a reasonable one to do.
[11:25] <seb128> willcooke, thx
[11:26] <jbicha> seb128: I added yet another MIR, want to subscribe the team to graphene? LP: #1753581
[11:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1753581 in graphene (Ubuntu) "[MIR] graphene" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753581
[11:26] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks archive it IMO.  That doesnt seem to be a high priority thing anymore, and not something for our team at this point.  Maybe it will come back again in the future, but I think it's safe to say it's not doing to get done this cycle anyway, too many other things to do
[11:26] <seb128> jbicha, I saw, I would prefer stop pilling up MIRs at this point when it's clear we are already not going to get what we need reviewed
[11:27] <seb128> willcooke, wfm, ok for you didrocks?
[11:28] <Laney> cyphermox: you ok with promoting the mp3 stuff now?
[11:28] <seb128> jbicha, well, subscribed the team anyway but I'm unsure we get that done for bionic
[11:28] <jbicha> seb128: well for instance, I can duplicate LP: #1752197 on bionic with gstreamergl disabled but not with gstreamergl 😢
[11:28] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1752197 in webkit2gtk (Ubuntu Artful) "Gnome Web has trouble playing YouTube videos" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752197
[11:29] <seb128> jbicha, that doesn't have to do with the topic though
[11:29] <jbicha> basically the video will get stuck in pause, but the audio will resume if you press play (after pressing pause)
[11:29] <seb128> jbicha, we just have more MIRs in the review queue that are going to get reviewed this cycle, they all have important features properties
[11:30] <jbicha> it really does though. webkit2gtk is running an untested code path that is broken if we ship with gstreamergl disabled
[11:30] <seb128> right, as said all the MIRs we filled we did because we believe they are things we need
[11:30] <seb128> no need to convince anyone about that
[11:31] <seb128> what are you trying to argue for?
[11:31] <seb128> I'm just saying that we depends on other teams for reviews and the output is not what we wish it was
[11:31] <didrocks> willcooke: seb128: +1 as well for me.
[11:31] <seb128> so we are going to need to drop on some
[11:31] <jbicha> I was just providing justification here for this mir. That's all
[11:31] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[11:32] <seb128> jbicha, k, I was not disputing there is a valid one
[11:32] <seb128> I'm just trying to be realistic about our backlog
[11:32] <seb128> jbicha, also we don't use webkit to access to web in our default installation
[11:32] <seb128> so somewhat it lowers the importance of that issue
[11:33] <seb128> even if sucks for gnome-web users
[11:33] <Laney> captive portal display page uses webit
[11:33] <Laney> k
[11:33] <seb128> Laney, not going to play youtube :)
[11:33] <seb128> SHRUG
[11:33] <Laney> ok
[11:33] <seb128> I'm not arguing it would be good to have
[11:34] <seb128> +not
[11:34] <seb128> shrug shrug shrug
[11:34] <seb128> those discussions are pretty annoying
[11:35] <ricotz> hey desktopers :)
[11:35] <seb128> I was just stating that we are stuck with a MIRs/security reviews backlog
[11:35] <seb128> no need to pile up on me
[11:35] <jbicha> sorry to keep going, but … the bug also is trivially reproducible with the GNOME Getting Started videos in the Help app which we do ship by default
[11:35] <seb128> hey Rico
[11:35] <ricotz> Laney, hi, are there reported gstreamer regressions already?
[11:35] <ricotz> seb128, hey
[11:36] <seb128> jbicha, k, what do you suggest to resolve the issue?
[11:36] <seb128> jbicha, Laney, I'm not sure what you are trying to get at there
[11:36] <seb128> let's be constructive?
[11:40] <seb128> jbicha, and anyway it's a webkit upstream issue, if they provide the capability to not use gstreamer-gl then it should work
[11:40] <seb128> or they should not make it optional
[11:41] <jbicha> sure, they could kill the option…
[11:41] <seb128> they should
[11:41] <seb128> it's misleading to provide a choice to tell off for using it
[11:42] <seb128> jbicha, anyway again what would be constructive is to provide a suggestion of what we could so
[11:42] <jbicha> hmm, it would cause us pain if they kill the option
[11:42] <seb128> moaning about the MIR backlog isn't helping anyone
[11:42] <seb128> it's not under our control
[11:42] <jbicha> I'm not trying to moan over here
[11:42] <ricotz> regarding gstreamer, it seems playing some video in totem over gvfs doesn't work anymore, also nautilus doesn't show the media file information
[11:42] <seb128> well, describe how it sucks not having that MIR reviewed sort it
[11:42] <seb128> is
[11:43] <jbicha> for 18.04 LTS, it's pretty easy to enable gstreamergl if we really needed too, but for 16.04 LTS, we'd have to depend on the bad gstreamer plugins
[11:43] <seb128> ricotz, since 1.3? do you have good from proposed as well?
[11:43] <seb128> jbicha, right
[11:43] <ricotz> seb128, yes, 1.13.1 here
[11:43] <seb128> ricotz, k, open a bug? (maybe upstream as well)
[11:44] <ricotz> 1.13.90 is already out which could make a difference
[11:44] <seb128> jbicha, so basically they need to fix the non gl case
[11:44] <jbicha> (I was just trying to explain the justification, because while you're not on the Mir team, you do have limited ability to priotize our MIRs, but I'm happy to end this topic for today.)
[11:44] <seb128> ricotz, well file the bug and we can retest when we update
[11:44] <seb128> jbicha, k, understood
[11:44] <jbicha> yup, I'm re-filing the pause bug now
[11:45] <seb128> jbicha, we need udisks and portals unblocked first
[11:45] <seb128> and mayeb gnome-calendar
[11:46] <seb128> and the mp3 codecs ones (though that is being sorted out today it seems)
[11:46] <seb128> and xrdp maybe
[11:46] <seb128> and woff
[11:46] <seb128> I don't see any of those we can drop easily
[11:46] <seb128> or put lower than graphene
[11:48] <seb128> oh and the fprint/libfprint ones also
[11:49] <seb128> anyway, need to go for lunch, keeping the laptop unsuspended by I might drop off internet anyway, unsure if there is enough signal there to stay online
[11:54] <jbicha> ha, chrome-gnome-shell is low-priority for me :(
[12:05] <didrocks> jbicha: mind only adding me to MIR cards once we agreed it's a MIR we are going to act upon btw?
[12:38] <jbicha> didrocks: maybe I shouldn't add you to any of them then since I don't really decide that?
[12:48] <Nafallo> hrm. fprint in main you say? got any links related to that?
[12:48] <Nafallo> curious about why etc
[12:48] <sarnold> Nafallo: I think the idea is to let someone replace the "unlock screen" button with a finger swipe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fprintd/+bug/1745455
[12:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1745455 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fprintd" [Undecided,New]
[12:49] <seb128> what sarnold said is correct
[12:49] <Nafallo> I used it before, so I'm familiar what it does. curious why it came up now though.
[12:49] <sarnold> but (a) last time I looked at the code quality I was unimpressed (b) so far I know it works on exactly one machine, so we'd have to figure out how to share that machine around to fix things :)
[12:50] <seb128> Nafallo, because it's an useful feature?
[12:52] <Nafallo> fingerprint instead of password? I mean, I've seen the trend on phones, and there it makes sense to me. I'm not sure I'd trust the fingerprint readers on laptops as much though. *shrugs* just being paranoid I guess.
[12:52] <Nafallo> especially if we plan to implement it as sufficient without other auth.
[12:52] <seb128> Nafallo, it's going to be unlock only, not login or auth for e.g sudo
[12:53] <sarnold> Nafallo: we already allow login without password, 'screenlock' without password, etc. To my mind this is just making a physical button alias a software 'unlock' button :)
[12:54] <sarnold> but it lookde like the tools involved were too eager to let anyone actually log in as root last time I looked at it
[12:54] <Nafallo> yeah. I guess it depends on context. we'll keep it as desktop-recommends and everything should work when you uninstall them, right? ;-)
[12:55] <Nafallo> you also need to register the fingerprint, so it will be opt-in regardless.
[12:55] <seb128> sarnold, is that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fprintd/+bug/1532264 ? (which has a patch), also we need to change the pam configuration
[12:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1532264 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "fprintd allows unauthorized root access" [High,Confirmed]
[12:55] <seb128> Nafallo, yes
[12:55] <Nafallo> okay. I can calm down a bit again then :-)
[12:56] <seb128> :)
[12:56] <sarnold> seb128: yeah, that's the one; I'm surprised marco's fix is entirely polkitish things, I expected pam things too. But I haven't yet gotten the time to give it a real good look :(
[13:27] <willcooke> kenvandine, we moved the meeting to the ballroom
[15:32] <seb128> jibel, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Improving_performance/Boot_process#Using_bootchart2 ... seems bootchart2 can be used with systemd
[15:42] <jibel> seb128, yes, I confirm it works with systemd
[15:43] <seb128> jibel, good, let me know if it gives better data
[15:47] <seb128> jbicha, can we just re-enable that libblockdev s390x plugin even if it's a diff over Debian to unblock that MIR/discussion?
[15:55] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, is there a bug for that classic snap warning text change?
[15:55] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, i don't remember :)
[15:56] <kenvandine> i know there was an email going around complaining about it months ago
[16:00] <jbicha> seb128: I asked xnox to ask mbiebl about it. The MIR doesn't say that it's blocked on that issue
[16:00] <willcooke> robert_ancell, kenvandine - there was a mail "Classic Snaps in GNOME Software" that m_pt replied to but we didnt go any further.  (Can fwd if you need it).  might be worth asking him directly since we're here?
[16:00] <seb128> jbicha, it's complicating the discussion and I talked to security who hadn't been reviewed on the impression there was still things being argued over
[16:01] <willcooke> robert_ancell,  that had the text which was requested in the forum post, but was resoundingly nacked  :)
[16:02] <jbicha> seb128: is xnox there? Could you ask him about the status? he seemed to be fine with talking to Debian last time we talked…
[16:02] <seb128> jbicha, I don't see a strong issue with having an Ubuntu diff for that plugin this cycle, we can keep the discussion with Debian going after that
[16:02] <seb128> I talked to him earlier
[16:02] <seb128> we can talk to Debian but beta1 is this week so I would like to just do it in Ubuntu now for bionic
[16:03] <seb128> unless you have a strong objection
[16:03] <jbicha> it's an annoyance. I talked to x_nox Feb 26 about it
[16:04] <seb128> right, well we can keep arguing and being stucked
[16:06] <jbicha> you'll need to revert https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/libblockdev/commit/0d4f2128 but some of those symbols were added instead at
[16:06] <jbicha> https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/libblockdev/commit/f8f5fd82
[16:07] <seb128> jbicha, thx
[16:07] <jbicha> I mean if x_nox refuses to ask mbiebl then I suppose I could ask mbiebl again instead, but I'm a middle man here
[16:09] <seb128> I can ask x_nox to ping mbiel, but meanwhile we should get unblocked
[16:09] <seb128> jbicha, it's just that first commit to revert no, unsure what you meant with the second url?
[16:10] <jbicha> it won't cleanly revert because I later needed to add s390 symbols any way to the Debian package
[16:10] <seb128> ah ok
[16:10] <seb128> thx
[16:14] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wptk92YyXy/
[16:15] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, that fixes an issue with what i sent you earlier
[16:28] <jibel> seb128, the resulting graph is definitely easier to interpret than systemd-bootchart
[16:28] <seb128> great
[16:32] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I know what my problem is: I have gst-plugins-bad in my stage packages, but it's not in the gnome-3-26 PPA
[16:32] <kenvandine> oh no
[16:32] <kenvandine> can we live without that
[16:32] <kenvandine> ?
[16:33] <oSoMoN> well that means no video playback in libreoffice
[16:33] <oSoMoN> how hard would it be to add it to the PPA?
[16:33] <kenvandine> not sure :)
[16:34] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, does the libreoffice deb depend on it?
[16:34] <kenvandine> i doubt it
[16:34] <oSoMoN> no, it suggests it
[16:36] <oSoMoN> in a deb world it's easy to install a suggested package and get extra functionality, but with a snap it's either you have the functionality or you don't, you can't add it on the fly
[17:24] <oSoMoN> greyback, still around?
[18:58] <amano> desktopers, great work with 3.27/28
[18:58] <amano> it feels much more reliable than with 3.25/26
[18:59] <amano> all this crash fixing really paid off


[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131888 in libxtst (main) "libxtst6" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131888
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131877 in xorg (main) "mouse cursor disappears upon 2nd login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131877
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131972 in xorg (main) "colour banding on gradients with i810 on i845" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131972
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131995 in xorg (main) "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131995
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132049 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Radeon 9250 SE has no solution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132049
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #132078 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "945 choosing incorrect frequency for dell e207wfp" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132078
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #132080 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Generic nvidia driver [nv]  is not aligned" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132080


 I'd appreciate if someone could run a "nmap -p- adamoutler.com".
[13:28] <maxolasersquad> AdamOutler, not sure if this is still relevant for you, but on both my server at home and my workstation at work I just get the following
[13:28] <maxolasersquad> Starting Nmap 7.60 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2019-02-11 08:21 EST
 I found a castle
 I love the architecture
 http://meetu.ps/e/Gp4Kz/nhZpH/f
 U need to slap USA McDonald's
 *I
 @KMyers @Ivoriesablaze @AdamOutler @Abrerr
 ?
 Uploading
 What?  You ate it
 Look how good it looks
 It's 10x better presentation and quality
 And they have a cafe and it serves DONUTS
 So, if you go to another McDonald's location with the same results
 I'll take your pics and mail the management of my closest McDonald's. Ha!
 Norlytho, that looks awesome
 XD
 @KMyers sent you an image, it's a magazine from a supermarket, it's NSFW xD
 Literally just sitting out in a supermarket.


[00:46] <bitemeoftn> i have a quick question about kubuntu 14.10 and the dell m4600......when i shut the lid it goes to sleep, but when i open the lid again all i get is a mouse cursor and maybe some weird artifacting on the screen
[00:46] <bitemeoftn> any suggestions on how to fix it?
[01:36] <keithzg> bitemeoftn: Hmmm. Seems like the screen locker is failing somehow, or the graphics drivers are wonky. What GPU and drivers are you running in that thing?
[01:37] <bitemeoftn> it's an nvidia quadro 1000m GPU, checking the driver settings now
[01:38] <bitemeoftn> using the recommended 331.113 nvidia driver
[01:48] <keithzg> bitemeoftn: You could try disabling screen locking (System Settings -> Power Management -> Advanced Settings -> Lock screen on resume  [checkbox]) and see if that helps. It should if my guess of some bad combo of your drivers and screen locking is correct.
[01:53] <bitemeoftn> i tried that, but i got the same results.....i'm thinking it's something with the card/drivers as well
[01:58] <bitemeoftn> keithzg: i'm able to use CTRL+ALT+F1 to login and sudo restart lightdm as a workaround for now
[01:59] <keithzg> bitemeoftn: Fair enough. Have you tried nouveau instead of the nvidia drivers? (I know it's the obvious suggestion and there are probably reasons why you're running the binary blobs, but I figured it was worth bringing up)
[02:00] <bitemeoftn> keithzg: i do have apprehensions of using the nouveau driver, but i was actually just thinking about trying that
[02:01] <keithzg> bitemeoftn: For older cards, it can often be a fair bit better, actually. If not always performance, at least in terms of stability. Definitely worth a try, at least.
[02:03] <bitemeoftn> keithzg: lol the laptop doesn't want to use it either apparently......i've tried to switch it a few times now and it keeps going back to the nvidia driver
[02:05] <bitemeoftn> brb, i'm going to try rebooting to see if it'll take then
[02:05] <keithzg> Yeah it'll take at least a reboot (or manual loading/unloading)
[02:09] <bitemeoftn> that seems to have fixed it!
[02:09] <keithzg> bitemeoftn: nice!
[02:10] <bitemeoftn> that seems to have fixed it!
[02:13] <bitemeoftn> not sure why i typed that twice
[02:28] <keithzg> heh
[02:28] <keithzg> heh
[02:28] <keithzg> ;)
[04:36] <mcc> Hello, I am trying to install the Kubuntu 15.04 beta. This is my first time installing a Kubuntu. I have two questions.
[04:36] <mcc> My first question, if I encounter documentable bugs while going through the installer & such (as it is a tech preview), do you have any advice on the proper avenue for filing bug reports.
[04:37] <mcc> My second question, I am in the installer. I am installing Kubuntu onto a drive which already posesses an install of Windows 8.1. It says at the bottom: Boot loader: Device for boot loader installation: and it is defaulting to /dev/sda1, where i think the windows recovery partition is.
[04:37] <mcc> What exactly does "boot loader installation" do? Would I be correct in thinking that installing this on any Microsoft-created partition would be disastrous?
[04:41] <valorie> mcc: the best way, hands down, to file bugs is `ubuntu-bug packagename` in the cli
[04:42] <valorie> about your Windows partition question, sorry, do not know
[04:42] <mcc> valorie, great. what would packagename be for the installer?
[04:43] <valorie> hmmm
[04:44] <mcc> it seems like there must be a bug tracker website somewhere that stuff like ubuntu-bug funnels into.
[04:45] <valorie> right, that is launchpad
[04:45] <valorie> I know that there is a name, I just can't recall it
[04:46] <mcc> ok.
[04:46] <valorie> !info bootloader
[04:47] <valorie> of course
[04:47] <valorie> !boot
[04:48] <valorie> hmmm
[04:48] <mcc> well, the bootloader isn't what i want to file the bug on
[04:48] <valorie> right
[04:48] <mcc> i found just some simple gui bugs on the "prepare partitions" pane in the livecd installer.
[04:48] <mcc> ah
[04:48] <valorie> excellent, the beta is for filing bugs
[04:50] <valorie> this might be useful: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[04:53] <mcc> oh, interesting
[05:31] <mcc> By the way, i'm a little confused about the relationship between Kubuntu and Ubuntu.
[05:32] <mcc> For example, the FAQ for this channel redirects to the Ubuntu website, and the iso tracker you sent me is for Kubuntu not Ubuntu.
[05:39] <valorie> Kubuntu is one of the flavors of Ubuntu
[05:40] <valorie> it gets a bit confusing because they call the unity flavor Ubuntu
[05:40] <valorie> however the Ubuntu community encompasses us all, xubuntu, lubuntu, gnomebuntu
[05:40] <valorie> we were first however
[05:41] <valorie> this is the tenth anniversary for Kubuntu, and we are entirely community produced
[05:41] <Unit193> I tend to call that one 'Mainbuntu'
[05:42] <valorie> ubuntu runs the iso tracker for all the releases
[05:42] <Unit193> And, you know, the repos, cdimage building, automated testing, etc, etc. :P
[05:44] <valorie> right, our infra (except our website) is all from ubuntu
[05:51] <mcc> that's all very helpful.
[05:52] <mcc> thank you for the help! i have some interesting bug reports and will try to get them on the iso tracker tomorrow.
[05:53] <mcc> Here is my favorite bug I encountered, by the way, if you're curious... :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAb5zjtUkAAtbI2.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAb6RzeUYAIpOP4.jpg
[05:54] <valorie> ha, I've seen that but never reported it
[05:55] <mcc> well, i'll try to report it tomorrow
[05:55] <valorie> excellent, thank you
[05:55] <mcc> while i have your attention, if i'm hitting that problem, how should i reboot/shut down in such a way it kicks me back to GRUB?
[05:55] <mcc> when i tried reboot or shutdown -h now, it kicked me back to the kubuntu startup, not to GRUB.
[05:57] <mcc> actually, i think i'm falling asleep, so if you respond to that i will not see your response ^_^ thanks again for the help, goodnight
[06:45] <donniezazen> Why there no option to disable Connection Activated/Deactivated in Network Notifications Kubuntu?
[06:56] <valorie> donniezazen: ?
[06:57] <valorie> can you say more what you mean, and exactly what you are using?
[06:59] <donniezazen> valorie: Those are the exact terms but let me explain. When you lose connection, you get notified via a pop and an entry labeled Connection Deactivated. When you connect to a network you again get Connection Activate. These entries are missing in Kubuntu.
[06:59] <valorie> hmm, I see those
[07:00] <valorie> I did in 14.10 with and without the next ppa
[07:00] <valorie> I see it now in Vivid
[07:00] <donniezazen> valorie: http://i.imgur.com/eja7sms.png
[07:00] <donniezazen> Then probably a bug in LTS.
[07:01] <valorie> I guess
[07:04] <donniezazen> Both Qt-creator and Chrome suffer from graphical glitches. http://imgur.com/8uJB1Gm and http://imgur.com/psoHGqn
[07:04] <donniezazen> on the LTS version.
[07:05] <valorie> sounds like a driver problem
[07:08] <donniezazen> maybe
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[08:43] <rawi> Hi everybody
[08:44] <rawi> I'm at the moment on Kubuntu 14.04, plasma4. Will it be enough a distribution update to get plasma5?
[08:44] <hateball> rawi: No
[08:45] <rawi> hateball: thanks! so I'd need an install from scratch for the next Kubuntu, yes?
[08:46] <hateball> rawi: No, you can just do-release-upgrade
[08:46] <hateball> Depending on how you want to go about things, you can upgrade to 14.10, then to 15.04
[08:46] <hateball> or wait for the next LTS which will be 16.04
[08:46] <rawi> that's what I meand first. but then I would stay with plasma4?
[08:47] <hateball> rawi: Plasma 5 will be default in 15.04
[08:47] <hateball> I'm not sure if there's a PPA for 14.04 that has all the KF/Plasma 5 stuff
[08:47] <rawi> hateball: OK, then do-release-upgrade will be enough. thanks
[09:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:11] <rawi> Hi folks
[10:11] <lordievader> o/
[10:11] <rawi> it's the 3rd channel I try to get a sollution to my problem
[10:12] <rawi> oh lordievader, you heard it already
[10:12] <rawi> I think, I let it be
[10:13] <rawi> don't want to spam all the world
[10:14] <lordievader> rawi: The rest of the channel doesn't know your problem ;)
[10:15] <rawi> thanks lordievader, please close the eyes ;)
[10:15] <rawi> KMAIL: I'm having differences between email real receiving-time, %OTIME in the replay and receiving time printed on the printout
[10:32] <darklord_> Kubuntu 14.10 keeps hiding windows from me.
[10:32] <darklord_> I have a dual screen terminal, with 4 virtual desktops
[10:32] <darklord_> certain open windows keep disappearing
[10:32] <darklord_> and i cant access them again.
[10:33] <darklord_> and some VM instances too, and if I try running them again, it shows instances are already running
[10:33] <darklord_> anyone has any clues on what is going on here?
[10:33] <darklord_> I can relaunch certain VMs till i restart the terminal
[10:56] <cmjpro> ok all sorry but i have had the time to look at the kubuntu 14.10 im already going to leve to many erros  to may program crashing on an amd system reuns best on intell sorry but i have gave it 2 month i have to see ya all so bye ill be going back to red hat and centos, can get unbuntu on normal install now days only offer windows no bootloader for it  so no more options left in this os
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:43] <Jiyuhen> Morning BluesKaj
[12:08] <kubuntu64> hello all
[13:15] <bosco> Hello
[13:16] <lordievader> o/
[13:43] <archetech> latest  vivid update breaks the  start button menus
[13:44] <archetech> opens but cant navigate/start anything
[13:52] <mparillo> archetech: Same for me. When I apt update, it seems as if it cannot resolve some sources. I hope that is the root cause.
[13:55] <archetech> use the cmd line not muon
[15:09] <georgelappies> Hi all
[15:10] <georgelappies> when will 4.14.3 be ported to 14.04?
[15:11] <ikonia> 4.14 of what ?
[15:12] <Riddell> georgelappies: no current plans, we're too busy with plasma 5
[15:12] <georgelappies> aah, ok. see the blog post. Plasma 5 is looking sweet :)
[15:12] <georgelappies> saw I meant
[15:13] <georgelappies> so, Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5 will be full on ready for everyday usage?
[15:38] <drdozer> hi - I'm trying out plasma5
[15:39] <drdozer> when I go to computer -> home, it loads up my home directory in Gwnview. I want a file browser, like dolphin or something
[15:39] <drdozer> am I doing somethig wrong?
[15:56] <Guest8103> Just installed Kubuntu Plasma 5.14 - Feels good :)
[16:38] <yossarianuk> drdozer: kde4.x used to do that also .
[16:39] <yossarianuk> sounds like you need to change the file manager app ?
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone testing kubuntu 15.04?
[17:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: do you have 15.04?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes
[17:06] <phoenix_firebrd> can you check if the "add to places" works?
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> in dolphin
[17:08] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it doesn't on my laptop with 15.04, I haven't tried on this desktop ...let me check
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[17:11] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, nope, doesn't work here either
[17:12] <phoenix_firebrd> ok thanks
[17:12] <BluesKaj> np
[17:13] <BluesKaj> no biggie for network folders , they're still listed in "Network"
[17:17] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: do you have any other daily build of kde distro?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> no just kubuntu
[17:21] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,^
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I have to find if the "places" bug in dolphin is upsteam or downstream. ok
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I am going to download a suse daily build iso, tell me which one from this page
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> need i386
[17:23] <BluesKaj> I have no room for another OS atm
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> No its for me
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  for checking the bug
[17:24] <phoenix_firebrd> this one openSUSE-Tumbleweed-KDE-Live-i686-Current.iso     or     this   openSUSE-Tumbleweed-KDE-Live-i686-Snapshot20150316-Media.iso       ?
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> both same?
[18:32] <Guest76799> Anyone running the new Vivid release?
[18:33] <lordievader> Guest76799: From time to time, yes.
[18:33] <ahoneybun> Guest76799: I'm on the Beta
[18:34] <Guest76799> How is it working? I'm upgrading to it now... Anything major bugs to know about?
[18:34] <ahoneybun> sddm and systemd are a bit off
[18:34] <ahoneybun> sddm keeps getting disabled
[18:35] <Guest76799> is there anyway to revert back to Plasma 4?
[18:35] <Guest76799> Afterwards?
[18:35] <ahoneybun> um not sure
[18:35] <ahoneybun> other then a reinstall
[18:36] <ahoneybun> sudo systemctl enable sddm
[18:36] <ahoneybun> fixes it
[18:36] <lordievader> Guest76799: From Utopic? Did you have a plasma5 ppa enabled?
[18:37] <Guest76799> yes
[18:37] <lordievader> Guest76799: On both, or just the first?
[18:37] <Guest76799> just first, upgrading to vivid just now..
[18:38] <{shaman}> no
[18:38] <{shaman}> plasma 5 is working OK for me now
[18:38] <lordievader> Guest76799: Phew ;)
[18:38] <{shaman}> but I'm not as happy as KDE4 yet, it doesn't save window positions between reboots well
[18:38] <lordievader> Guest76799: Upgrading with a Plasma5 ppa enabled from Utopic breaks your install.
[18:39] <Guest76799> opps
[18:39] <Guest76799> well I guess we shall see :)
[18:39] <Guest76799> One of the joys of linux, problem solving
[18:39] <{shaman}> well, if you run alpha releases..... you can expect that
[18:40] <lordievader> {shaman}: The beta is not to blame, it is the ppa ;)
[18:40] <Guest76799> Gotta say though Plasma is really nice :) Once all the bugs are purged its going to be a sweet Desktop
[18:41] <BluesKaj> plasma is ok , not crazy about it, too many isssues unresolved
[18:42] <{shaman}> imho nothing else OS really compares
[18:42] <{shaman}> and i'm glad they did away with the app grouping
[18:43] <Fausty> I run linux on my laptops but after a fatal MBR crash on my main Desktop on the weekend I'm switching over for good, only going to boot Windows to play PC games that's all...
[18:44] <lordievader> Fausty: Do you happen to have multiple GPU's in your system?
[18:46] <Fausty> no just one AMD R9 280x
[18:47] <lordievader> Fausty: Too bad, else you could virtualize Windows, give it a gpu and have a gaming vm. No more reboots to game ;)
[18:47] <Fausty> hmm interesting idea... very interesting indeed...
[18:48] <Fausty> gotta step out for a bit... brb
[19:43] <angubenko> !help
[20:30] <tnkhanh> Hi how to open bash shell on kubuntu
[20:31] <soee> ALT+F2 and type konsole
[20:37] <tnkhanh> got it. Thanks!
[21:21] <fausty>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER fausty pjbegvcodlfo
[21:21] <fausty> opps
[21:21] <fausty> lol
[21:21] <Unit193> Good one. :)
[21:49] <tnkhanh> lol why can I see his /msg NickServ
[21:49] <tnkhanh>  /msg NickServ fausty pjbegvcodlfo
[21:49] <lordievader> tnkhanh: Because his message started with a space.
[21:50] <tnkhanh> anyone use kubuntu on virtual box?
[22:23] <mparillo> VMware. Close enough?
[22:54] <tnkhanh> ah not very close
[22:54] <tnkhanh> I want to install Guest Additions
[23:03] <mparillo> tnkhanh: I assume you have tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/GuestAdditions and http://askubuntu.com/questions/22743/how-do-i-install-guest-additions-in-a-virtualbox-vm
[23:04] <mparillo> But, that is about all the help I can provide.
[23:51] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345347
[23:52] <murthy> If you are testing 15.04 please confim the above bug, thanks


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[02:34] <KGB-2> gnome-session ubuntu/master bdcca2f Benjamin Berg gnome-session/gsm-presence.c * presence: Do not auto-start the GNOME Shell screensaver service * https://deb.li/3ZImC
[02:34] <KGB-2> gnome-session ubuntu/master 4f39a0a Benjamin Berg gnome-session/gsm-util.c * util: Unset LC_* variables as they may be unset at login time * https://deb.li/ADPh
[02:34] <KGB-2> gnome-session ubuntu/master 72c2a2c Benjamin Berg NEWS meson.build * Release 40.1 * https://deb.li/30vuc
[02:34] <KGB-2> gnome-session ubuntu/master 677f5e1 Benjamin Berg gnome-session/gsm-presence.c * presence: Fix error detection when syncing initial screensaver state * https://deb.li/d8K7
[02:34] <KGB-2> gnome-session ubuntu/master 930fc97 Benjamin Berg NEWS meson.build * Release 40.1.1 * https://deb.li/3Ywad
[02:55] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop signed tags bfb2820 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/41.1-1ubuntu1 * gnome-desktop3 Debian release 41.1-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/x8Fe
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master c9b3de5 Marco Trevisan * pushed 64 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3KwN0
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master 65eec4c Simon McVittie debian/changelog * New upstream release * https://deb.li/9u1A
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master b482d21 Simon McVittie debian/libgnome-desktop-3-dev.lintian-overrides * Add Lintian override for #970275 * https://deb.li/3sDOi
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master 09175fb Simon McVittie debian/upstream/metadata * d/upstream/metadata: Add * https://deb.li/CDdv
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master 544451b Simon McVittie debian/ control control.in * Standards-Version: 4.6.0 (no changes required) * https://deb.li/3c8gn
[02:56] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master 61a7c30 Simon McVittie debian/rules * Don't make all installed-tests files executable * https://deb.li/6IVs
[03:27] <KGB-2> gdm signed tags 3040be7 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/41.0-3ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 41.0-3ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/iwuKU
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master a5c707c Marco Trevisan * pushed 206 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/KIuG
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 8006b2c Ask Hjorth Larsen po/da.po * Updated Danish translation * https://deb.li/3NRSF
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 5364916 Ray Strode NEWS meson.build * 41.0 * https://deb.li/RRai
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 5fcf890 Simon McVittie NEWS meson.build po/da.po * New upstream version 41.0 * https://deb.li/3zoHh
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 4106a87 Simon McVittie (15 files in 6 dirs) * Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/41.0' * https://deb.li/3PuSM
[03:28] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 1c9e4c9 Simon McVittie debian/changelog * New upstream release * https://deb.li/s8Qy
[06:35] <jibel> Good morning folks
[06:50] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:01] <ricotz> hello duflu oSoMoN
[07:04] <jibel> Hey duflu oSoMoN ricotz
[07:08] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and ricotz
[07:09] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:12] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz, jibel, duflu, didrocks
[07:14] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut oSoMoN
[07:17] <ricotz> hey jibel didrocks
[07:22] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[07:24] <jpnurmi> good morning
[07:24] <didrocks> hey jpnurmi
[07:25] <jpnurmi> hey didrocks
[07:29] <oSoMoN> hey jpnurmi
[07:29] <jpnurmi> hey oSoMoN
[07:30] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[07:35] <jpnurmi> hey duflu
[08:07] <jibel> Hi didrocks jpnurmi
[08:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:10] <seb128> hey jibel didrocks jpnurmi, how is it going?
[08:11] <jpnurmi> hey jibel and seb128
[08:14] <jpnurmi> seb128, having little problems with electricity. i had to call an electrician because half of the house lost power
[08:15] <seb128> :-(
[08:19] <ricotz> hello jpnurmi seb128
[08:20] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[08:20] <jpnurmi> hey ricotz
[08:22] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:23] <ricotz> seb128, all good, despite corona being back :\
[08:23] <seb128> indeed :-/
[08:23] <ricotz> seb128, regarding poppler, gdcm gets fixed by vtk7 :)
[08:24] <seb128> I saw, great!
[08:24] <ricotz> should be fine to pick up the remaining builds :) https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/green/+packages
[08:38] <didrocks> hey jibel, seb128
[08:39] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[09:17] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN
[09:17] <seb128> ricotz, ack, I will check that a bit later
[09:17] <seb128> bbl, need to drop from IRC
[10:27] <Nafallo> morning? :-D
[10:53] <jamesh> Trevinho: I've left you some more review feedback on https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/634
[11:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, any chance you could do the gnome-user-docs 41 merge from Debian?
[11:36] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, could you do the alsa merges sponsoring for Hui?
[11:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: I will, but was planning to wait until at least 41.1 is available.
[11:53] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, where?
[14:26] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks, https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+git/alsa-lib/+merge/412118 https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+git/alsa-utils/+ref/merge https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+git/alsa-plugins/+ref/merge
[14:26] <seb128> tjaalton, unsure why he didn't mp the utils and plugins one, perhaps because they require lib and he wanted that uploaded first?
[15:49] <schopin> Hi all! I have two questions related to the upcoming OpenSSL3 transition: 1. is the Firefox package in the archive going to stick around for jammy? I though it was replaced by a snap, so I didn't bother trying to fix its build, but I still see a package in the jammy archive.
[15:51] <schopin> and 2. do you have some ways to test WiFi stuff? SPecifically regarding old protocols and stuff. wpa_supplicant might be crippled by the transition as a lot of algorithms are now disabled by default, but it's not caught by autopkgtests.
[15:57] <oerheks> answer 1; firefox is already a snap
[15:58] <oerheks> no clue ( read information)  about question 2
[16:04] <schopin> yep, I just confirmed that on my system firefox is a snap. Still, I'm wondering why we still have the package in the archive?
[16:07] <oerheks> conveniance, i guess.
[16:24] <RikMills> The .deb is still seeded on some flavour images for now. AFAIK, that will have to change and the .deb will be removed at some point
[16:24] <RikMills> timing of that......
[16:24]  * RikMills shrugs
[16:31] <oSoMoN> schopin, the firefox deb will become a transitional package that installs the snap at some point during this cycle, but I don't have an ETA to share
[16:33] <oSoMoN> until then we continue pushing updates, if there are issues with the openSSL transition don't hesitate to file a bug and assign to me
[16:39] <schopin> oSoMoN: well, there's already LP: #1945770 :)
[16:40] <oSoMoN> heh, sorry I didn't remember about it
[16:40] <oSoMoN> schopin, I'll take a look next week
[16:41] <schopin> no worries :)
[16:41] <schopin> I'll file a bug for the wpa_supplicant thing too.
[16:53] <ricotz> schopin, hi, regarding openssl3 are intentions to use it in favor of gnutls28?
[16:54] <schopin> I haven't been aware of any plans involving a mass migration. Do you have particular packages in mind?
[16:56] <ricotz> schopin, libreoffice would be one which is using openssl upstream, but in ubuntu/debian gnutls28 is used
[16:57] <ricotz> schopin, is debian doing such a migration?
[16:57] <schopin> I am sorry, I do not know.
[16:58] <ricotz> ok, I assumed some master plan here :), like trusting openssl again and use it more widely
[16:59] <schopin> I believe we're planning on using it in apt, though. (if I'm not mistaken, juliank?)
[17:00] <juliank> ricotz: schopin yes, I want to port apt from gnutls to openssl
[17:00] <juliank> ricotz: Packages that have backends for both and are APache 2 compatible in license should most likely be switched to openssl 3, yes
[17:00] <juliank> gnutls is a lot cleaner, but also a lot more buggy
[17:01] <ricotz> juliank, I see, thanks for the info
[17:01] <juliank> I had at least two issues recently because stuff was using gnutls and it did not work whereas openssl worked just fine
[17:02] <juliank> it was the let's encrypt root cert expiry, and an incomplete certificate chain
[17:03] <ricotz> yes, diverging from upstream defaults (like for libreoffice) might not be the best choice
[17:04] <juliank> I wish for a future where gnutls is in universe
[17:07] <juliank> heh well no gnutls at all :D
[17:07] <juliank> openssl API is hard
[17:10] <juliank> I very much prefer gnutls from the development experience, it's so much cleaner. But nobody tests with it, it's mostly a 2nd choice at best, it randomly fails where openssl works (and no, it does not matter if openssl is right or not), and there are less eyes on it, causing security issues to linger


[05:16] <JamesB192> add an 'initctl -emit rootfs_decrypt' or something to the end of the stanza that requires input triggering the next steps.
[05:16] <JamesB192> which is to say probably.
[14:57] <cubicool> Is it possible for an upstart job to "grab focus" somehow during boot and ask the user for some input before continuing? (In my case, to get a password interactively)
[17:29] <cubicool> Is it possible for an upstart job to "grab focus" somehow during boot and ask the user for some input before continuing? (In my case, to get a password interactively)
[17:29] <cubicool> Sorry to keep asking, but my project is pretty much dead until I figure this out. :/
[17:30] <cubicool> I guess I could try the lists.
[18:24] <sadmac> cubicool: I think if you add console output to the job it should do it
[18:24] <sadmac> that's one line
[18:25] <sadmac> "console output"
[18:25] <sadmac> no quotes
[18:25] <cubicool> Well, it certainly prints my output and wants to read input, but the rest of the init continues unhindered.
[18:25] <cubicool> And in my case, the rest of the startup will require a drive being unecrypted via a password.
[18:26] <cubicool> (That is to say, my job already has that line. :))
[18:26] <sadmac> cubicool: ah, I see...
[18:26] <sadmac> cubicool: you need that job not to show up as running until it has what it needs, and you need everything else to wait for that job
[18:26] <cubicool> And so what happens is GDM starts up and my query is still on TTY1, although it's difficult to see because other output has scrolled it off screen.
[18:27] <cubicool> Yes, but the more I learn about upstart the more I think this kind of thing is either not possible or simply not wise.
[18:27] <sadmac> cubicool: depends on what you want to do. drive decryption is typically an initrd issue for us
[18:27] <cubicool> We have a client, however, that must have this functionality; and the distros they could use (Fedora or Ubu) both use upstart now.
[18:28] <cubicool> Really? That's not a bad idea with a sufficiently smart initrd.
[18:28] <sadmac> cubicool: fedora's encrypted root implementation does it in initrd
[18:28] <cubicool> Iinteresting.
[18:28] <sadmac> since, well, root is encrypted
[18:28] <cubicool> In my case now it's not actually /, but a special /data mount.
[18:29] <cubicool> But it needs to be up quick before their proprietary stuff starts up
[18:29] <sadmac> you need to tell their proprietary stuff not to start until /data is ready. what does it start on now?
[18:29] <cubicool> It's hard to say. They can't give us a lot of information.
[18:30] <sadmac> that's kind of a problem
[18:30] <cubicool> All they can tell us is that they must be able to interactively decrypt the drive via a password as one of the VERY first actions. :/
[18:30] <sadmac> that could require adjusting a lot of the surrounding upstart config
[18:30] <cubicool> So probably more sensible to do it in our initrd then?
[18:30] <sadmac> and it does get into things that 0.3.9/0.5 aren't good at (hence 1.0 being a pretty heavy redesign)
[18:31] <sadmac> yeah, do it there.
[18:33] <cubicool> Actually, I can't actually because the initrd just does a pivot_root or whatever. THis particular encfs isn't /...
[18:33] <cubicool> Hmmm.
[18:34] <cubicool> Maybe I'll try and take a look at the source.


[11:20] <Rhonda> I have a question about bug
[11:20] <Rhonda> I have a question about bug #1926104 - why is wesnoth listed as proprietary in software center, and what could be done from within the package?
[11:21] <Rhonda> Is it the non DEP5 copyright file and thus the software center can't parse it, or is it some marking somewhere else that I can tweak?


[02:10] <linitrofe> One of my computers is not syncing with ubuntu one. How can I proceed?
[02:22] <linitrofe> This one was the "protocol version error"
[02:22] <linitrofe> fixed deleting ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf file
[16:12] <Nik1> hello! can someone please help me with a problem i've got with ubuntuone? there seems to be some problem synching files from my local folder to the online storage space and vice versa. thank you :)
[17:46] <PerJ> What does one do when the paid for account (50GB/10$) disappears and Canonical doesn't respond to support request
[18:21] <gourgi> hi all , i'm seeing a "Something has gone wrong (500) Server Error" when trying to view my contacts from the webUI. is this a known bug? verterok ?
[19:30] <PerJ_> Canonical did not withdraw payment for my 50GB account on the 19th og December, the account was closed/terminated whatever on the 23. and Canonical Support does not respond, what do I do ?


[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:41] <crax23> heya.
[02:43] <crax23> Did you know that the guy who create tintin, he was from belgium, and he was gay, cause back in the day it was not so common, and that's why there is no single girl or girly story around. Just the bad fat castafiore. lol.
[02:43] <crax23> created*
[02:43] <crax23> next time i'll tell you about the smurfs...it's not so fun either.
[02:44] <daftykins> Snowy runs Ubuntu, that's presumably what makes that relevant here
[02:46] <crax23> daftykins, it can be, however the revelant part 2 is - 'belgium', why? and the part 3 is - 'p2p', why?
[02:47] <daftykins> sorry you're making less sense than Musk
[02:51] <crax23> No worries.
[13:56] <goddard> is everyone that uses 22.04 using pipewire?
[14:00] <oerheks> yes; check= systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager
[14:01] <oerheks> but.. take a read https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/pipewire-replace-pulseaudio-ubuntu-2204/
[14:33] <goddard> oerheks: thanks ill have a read