[08:35] <intelikey> hehhe i'm from southern US  setr  seemed normal....
[08:36] <intelikey> maybe set'r
[08:38] <intelikey> brang'r in here, and set'r right thar.
[08:41] <LKC> how hard is Xgl/compiz to install out of 10 for a person who is comfortable with Kubuntu but not pro?
[08:42] <intelikey> LKC i have no idea.   i haven't started a gui in three days  iirc.
[08:43] <intelikey> and never tried to setup all that fancy stuff
[08:44] <LKC> ok, well i dont think i could survive 3 days with out a GUI if i was given a choice. i could manage but i think i would go crazy
[08:45] <intelikey> i thought about installing the nvidia drivers for my card one time, just so i could answer questions on that issue.  but saw so many others installing nvidia drivers i figured there would be plenty of help on that point.
[08:46] <LKC> so u dont have a gui bcoz u have bo nvisia drivers?
[08:46] <intelikey> LKC some like the gui some like the cli. some like them both  but they usually get over that, and become cli geeks.
[08:46] <intelikey> i have a gui.  just don't use it.
[08:46] <intelikey> kde runs well here.
[08:47] <intelikey> if you want the pointy clicky thingy
[08:47] <intelikey> i got it.
[08:47] <LKC> what does the i stand for in cli?
[08:47] <intelikey> interface
[08:47] <intelikey> same in gui
[08:47] <intelikey> !cli
[08:47] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:48] <intelikey> !gui
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gui - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <intelikey> hehhe even the bot dont like gui.... lol
[08:49] <LKC> if MS had its way nobody would have cli and nobody would no cl
[08:49] <intelikey> if M$ had it's way there would be only one os.
[08:50] <intelikey> if i had my way M$ would never make another cent... so...
[08:50] <LKC> no i think linux deseves compition
[08:51] <Zvezdichko> Years ago my parents tried to use linux for bisness, but ...
[08:51] <Zvezdichko> do you know what happened?
[08:51] <intelikey> maybe you misread me.   i din't say M$ would cease to exist.  i said they would not "sell" any more software.
[08:52] <intelikey> years ago ?    linux is reletively young
[08:52] <intelikey> started 1095
[08:52] <Zvezdichko> I know. It was 3 years ago...
[08:52] <intelikey> 1995
[08:52] <intelikey> ooops
[08:53] <LKC> well whats wrong with selling an OS? Novell does it with SuSE
[08:53] <intelikey> i just made linux a thousand years old,  hope linus doesn't see that.
[08:53] <Zvezdichko> but anyway, Linux in 2003 is old... I don't think that the situation has changed much now... because it was not because of the OS. The OS was good, we had a great office suite and wonderful programmes
[08:53] <Zvezdichko> it was because of the goddamn M$ file formats
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> imagine that a client comes, gives you a USB flash, and he says: There is a .doc file, I want it printed
[08:54] <lupine_85> LKC: 5/10
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> you open the doc file in OpenOffice, and huh! the document doesn't look OK. You have to format the page again and again
[08:55] <lupine_85> that's what PDF is for :)
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> we lose time, the client get innerved... and next time he won't come to our office...
[08:55] <intelikey> LKC i didn't say there was anything wrong with commerce.   it's the dirty/crocked/evil business actions  that turn me against M$   besides read the  EULA  and tell me you can agree to that in all honesty.
[08:56] <Zvezdichko> lupine_85, yes, that's PDF, but how to tell these people- don't use MS word and Word's file formats
[08:56] <LKC> i have nvr read a EULA bcoz they are too long and i know they are full of crap but i still agree
[08:56] <Isoss> Guys is there some /ubuntu/kubuntu link for available network drivers?
[08:56] <Zvezdichko> as intelikey says, it's a matter of business.
[08:56] <Isoss> I searched and can't find one
[08:57] <mark_> hey guys
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> also, there was a printer that didn't want to work with Linux.
[08:57] <mark_> can you help me?
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> there weren't any drivers on linuxprinting, the printer was not supported. and my parents gave up linux unfortunately :(
[08:57] <mark_> my firefox keeps crashing linux
[08:57] <arunkale> Hey, people
[08:58] <lupine_85> Zvezdichko: tell them that, in order to ensure there aren't problems with fonts and macros, you only accept documents in PDF format. Simple :). Oh, and with turboprint, you can get ust about all printers working
[08:58] <LKC> i have a linux problem with my printer too but bcoz of my gaming habits i use M$ so much it dont matter
[08:58] <lupine_85> That or you call PDF the "preferred" format and set up CrossOver Office
[08:58] <arunkale> hello mr werewolf
[08:59] <lupine_85> helllooooooooooooooooo :)
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> mark_, when is it crashing linux? directly after startup
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> any significant error messages?
[08:59] <mark_> no
[08:59] <mark_> it does it randomly
[08:59] <intelikey> Zvezdichko yeppers.  and thats just the sort of thing i mean.     anyone that buys/uses propritary hardware is paying M$ in the initial purchase and supporting the 'monopoly' that they are trying to build in the same process.      short answer don't buy propritary hardware.
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> how did it install it
[08:59] <mark_> but my linux will only crash when it's running
[08:59] <mark_> using automatix ><
[09:00] <mark_> im also running a i686 kernel
[09:00] <LKC> if im upateing 2 machines with roughly the same updates is there a way to update both without having to download the updates twice?
[09:00] <Zvezdichko> mark_, I won't advise you to use automatix. I installed it yesterday and it messed my sources.list and didn't set the multiverse properly
[09:00] <arunkale> lupine_85: If I 'calculate' the amount of space used by my Linux partition, it says it's using 7.4GB which is impossible
[09:01] <lupine_85> LKC: rsync the /var/cache/apt/archives (IIRC) directory
[09:01] <intelikey> lupine_85 & Zvezdichko abiword   formating seems ok to me.  but i haven't used it much.
[09:01] <arunkale> lupine_85: I think it also calculates stuff in the 'media' folder
[09:01] <lupine_85> arunkale: not sure what you mean
[09:01] <osh_> Is there a known bug in the flash-nonfree-package that was just distributed? I get an error while installing.
[09:01] <lupine_85> if you're using du, use -x to keep it all on one FS
[09:01] <lupine_85> df -h shows you per-partition usage stats anyway, though
[09:02] <mark_> while i havent had the sources problem Zvezdichko, i have had it install a buggy firefox or plugins
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, I'm a little surprised that there are people in america that hate M$ much. It shouldn't be so expensive to buy Windows. In Bulgaria the standart is different, people are poor and we can't afford it
[09:02] <LKC> lupine_85 plz explain in n00b talk
[09:02] <arunkale> lupine_85: My Linux drive icon shows up on the desktop.. if I right click > properties, there's an option to calculate how much disc space is being used
[09:02] <intelikey> LKC yes.   copy the content of /var/cache/apt/archives/   to the second box then update it
[09:02] <mark_> btw did you choose cancel when it asked to restore your repos?
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> or most people can't afford it ( as for me I have a licensed copy of XP home )
[09:03] <intelikey> Zvezdichko there are poor in america tooo
[09:03] <intelikey> the poor you have with you always.
[09:03] <lupine_85> LKC: set up openssh-server on one computer. On the other computer, run rsync with the correct options to copy all of the folder /var/cache/apt/archives to the remote computer. man rsync for those
[09:03] <LKC> so i copy the files then load up adept and then do what?
[09:03] <lupine_85> no need to do anything else - it'll use the files automagically
[09:04] <intelikey> same as you did on the other box LKC
[09:04] <intelikey> LKC apt won't dl files that are already there.
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> mark_, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> try again
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> hope this will work
[09:04] <lupine_85> you could also set up a third computer as a just-in-time, caching repo mirror, but that's a PITA
[09:05] <mark_> tried that 5 times
[09:05] <mark_> im thinking about nuking its directories
[09:05] <mark_> or maybe creating a new one
[09:05] <lupine_85> mark_: have you tried restoring your old sources.list and then apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox ?
[09:05] <lupine_85> (then reinstall, obviously). --purge deletes all config files for you
[09:06] <mark_> ill try purge
[09:06] <mark_> my old sources list is still intact
[09:06] <intelikey> mark_ don't forget to always update the database after changes to sources.list
[09:06] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[09:06] <intelikey> or adept update
[09:06] <intelikey> apply
[09:06] <Homer> is there any packages to get java working in konq
[09:07] <lupine_85> use that one, then - otherwise you could just pull in the automatix version again (I've never used it, so couldn't say for sure)
[09:07] <intelikey> or what ever it is.
[09:07] <LKC> firstly i cant set up a network im running the computers indepently so the therory must be able to be done with a USB key
[09:07] <mark_> aww crap no it isnt
[09:07] <intelikey> !java
[09:07] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[09:07] <mark_> i told automatic not to do tha ><
[09:07] <lupine_85> LKC: perfectly possible with a USB key
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> OK, guys. We started talking about marketing and Linux. Do you think that If we'd had Linux as good as it is now in 1998, Windows 98 wouldn't have had a chance at all...
[09:07] <lupine_85> just a bit more hassle
[09:07] <kuto> how do i login as root in kubuntu using gui, i can only su - using cli
[09:07] <mark_> anyone have a sources.list they wanna donate?
[09:07] <lupine_85> Windows 98++ !
[09:07] <intelikey> mark you only need three lines really.   i'll post them.
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <lupine_85> no dapper-backports? ;)
[09:08] <mark_> i want my backports
[09:08] <intelikey> not needed.  but you can add backports
[09:09] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:09] <Zvezdichko> lupine_85, yes, windows 98... Definitely Linux nowadays is better than 98. But XP was a great step for Micro$ux, and Vista will be a leap...
[09:09] <obf213> i need help with a self extracting file
[09:09] <mark_> zvez, it will be a leap into a ditch
[09:09] <intelikey> what flavour ?
[09:10] <obf213> i cd to the directory and the typed in filename.run and it says permission denied.
[09:10] <mark_> not even my brand new comp will run it
[09:10] <kuto> how do i login as root in kubuntu using gui, i can only su - using cli..anyone?
[09:10] <obf213> if i do cd it says it command not found?
[09:10] <lupine_85> 98 is better than XP, IMO
[09:10] <arunkale> How do I check how much free space I have on my partition?
[09:10] <Zvezdichko> imagine using Vista in Bulgaria... most people have computers like mine - Pentium 3 800 Mhz, 40 GB hdd, 256 ram
[09:10] <intelikey> obf213 chmod
[09:10] <arunkale> ??
[09:11] <lupine_85> df -h :)
[09:11] <intelikey> or in knoqueror make it executable
[09:11] <intelikey> arunkale df
[09:11] <arunkale> okay
[09:11] <obf213> ahh ok
[09:11] <arunkale> thanks!!
[09:12] <obf213> intelikey hwo do i use chmod
[09:12] <obf213> chmod then the file name?
[09:12] <intelikey> Zvezdichko wish i had something that big and powerful.  you should be proud of it.
[09:12] <intelikey> obf213 chmod 755 file.name
[09:13] <intelikey> ./file.name
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, what is your configuration
[09:13] <obf213> ok
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> HDD, CPU... etc
[09:13] <intelikey> p1 mmx 100mhz 600mb hd 64m ram
[09:14] <arunkale> I found a way to make my fonts on Kubuntu look like they do on a Mac
[09:14] <LKC> what packages do i need for my wireless card and how do i config it?
[09:14] <intelikey> over clocked it to 266mhz  now it seems really fast.....  to me.
[09:15] <intelikey> !wifi
[09:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:15] <obf213> intelikey, does that make so i can use sudo or something
[09:15] <Zvezdichko> 600 Mb hdd... what have you installed on this?
[09:15] <obf213> or was supposed to exectute the file
[09:15] <intelikey> obf213 no it makes it executable
[09:15] <obf213> ahh ok thanks
[09:15] <obf213> i c
[09:15] <intelikey> Zvezdichko ubuntu linux and kde
[09:16] <Zvezdichko> it should be over 700 IMO then
[09:16] <intelikey> i have to tinker to get kde to fit.  cut a few corners yes
[09:17] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:17] <intelikey> no room for a swap file.  last time i checked 23m free
[09:17] <Zvezdichko> I think that my Pentium 3 machine is less than 5$0
[09:17] <intelikey> aaaa 22m
[09:17] <marius_> nekdo, kdo rozumi cesky?
[09:18] <Zvezdichko> don't worry intelikey, it's worse here
[09:19] <Zvezdichko> computers in our schools are also pentium at 100 Mhz, there are een 486 DXs and Pravetzs
[09:19] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:21] <intelikey> Zvezdichko yes.  i'm sure the avarage is.  i was just pointing out that avarages are calculated but don't give a real sense of the normal.   i.e.    M$ gates has 9.84billion  that and one million have nothing   the avarage is over 9,000 per person....  not a good reflection of what is really happening.
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> we still have a chance gates to commite a suicide before vista is released :)
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> commit*
[09:23] <intelikey> no.  i wouldn't wish that on him.
[09:23] <obf213> im trying to opne adept aand it just seems lik eit one open, i c it in in my processess list when i open top in the terminal though
[09:23] <Zvezdichko> that was a joke :)
[09:24] <Zvezdichko> a bit nasty, but it's still a joke :) [I'm christian]
[09:24] <intelikey> obf213 [alt] +[tab]
[09:25] <obf213> intelikey its not open
[09:26] <intelikey> wait obf213 you see the process in top  and you way it's not running ?
[09:26] <intelikey> s/way/say/
[09:26] <obf213> yes i c adept listed in system guard and htop
[09:26] <obf213> but i dont see adept, its not opening
[09:26] <intelikey> kill it
[09:26] <Jucato> obf213: are you sure it's not adept_notifier that you're seeing?
[09:27] <obf213> errr it just says adept in system moniter
[09:27] <obf213> and adept in htop/top
[09:27] <Zvezdichko> Will they ban me if I paste an imageshack link?
[09:27] <Jucato> why would they? unless it's against CoC
[09:27] <Zvezdichko> because it's a link
[09:28] <intelikey> kill it run    sudo killall adept ; sudo dpkg --configure -a       and restart adept
[09:28] <Jucato> so?
[09:28] <intelikey> Zvezdichko post it.
[09:28] <Jucato> as long as it is not offensive there's no reason for you to be banned
[09:28] <intelikey> if they dont like it they may.... but not just for one spam
[09:29] <obf213> intelikey thanks it opened now
[09:30] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:30] <Jucato> intelikey: thanks!!
[09:32] <obf213> my computer is just hanging when it gets to preparing
[09:32] <obf213> a pacakage in adpet
[09:33] <Zvezdichko> http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3442/snapshot7pd0.jpg
[09:33] <Zvezdichko> that's my desktop
[09:35] <Jucato> see that wasn't so bad? :P
[09:35] <intelikey> obf213 note the package name    close adept   and in the konsole enter   sudo apt-get inatall <that package name>       watch for error messages
[09:36] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, It's good... maybe I should try some karambas but they're too heavy  :)
[09:37] <Jucato> wb intelikey
[09:37] <intelikey> and the daily modem reset kicks in.
[09:37] <intelikey> ty
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> wubs
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> did you see my screenie
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> :P
[09:38] <LKC> i finally found a project to make a driver for my wirless http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/ can anybody help me find where to download it?
[09:38] <intelikey> saw the url
[09:38] <intelikey> Jucato did the fellow get my message about  adept/apt-get ?
[09:39] <Jucato> nope. he left before you even typed the message
[09:39] <arunkale> hey Jucato
[09:39] <intelikey> ah well.   autocompleeted the nick...  didn't notice an exit message.
[09:39] <Jucato> arunkale: hi
[09:40] <arunkale> Jucato: How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:40] <Jucato> arunkale: er... sorry I don't know
[09:40] <intelikey> arunkale just so you know i wasn't ignoring you.   i don't know either.
[09:41] <arunkale> yeah, i got it :)
[09:41] <arunkale> thanks
[09:41] <arunkale> i think i should just get a better theme
[09:42] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, modem? what kind of ISP is that
[09:42] <intelikey> changing the theme might change the things you are wanting to change,   but i kinda doubt it.
[09:43] <BTJustice> I am running the latest version of Kubuntu on Live CD.  I take it I cannot access my Windows hard drives for that reason?
[09:43] <intelikey> Zvezdichko  dialup   the only other option is satalite.   no wireless or hs wires here.  too rural
[09:43] <intelikey> BTJustice mount it.
[09:43] <BTJustice> I can do that with Live CD?
[09:43] <Zvezdichko> that's kinda strange. we are talking about Houston, TX...
[09:44] <BTJustice> I click on System Menu > Storage and the hard drives are lsited.
[09:44] <BTJustice> But they still have ot be mounted?
[09:44] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/something -o umask=0
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> better place that line into /etc/fstab
[09:44] <BTJustice> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:44] <intelikey> Zvezdichko i don't live within 1000k of houston tx
[09:45] <intelikey> hda1 was a guess.    sudo fdisk -l    should help you find it.
[09:45] <BTJustice> oh wait... its formatted NTFS.
[09:45] <BTJustice> No, I right-clicked on it and left-clicked on MOUNT
[09:45] <BTJustice> that is the message that pops up
[09:45] <Zvezdichko> in pleven ( the small  town I live, no skyscrapers, etc ) there are only two ISPs - OptiSprint ( Optical) and Eurocom ( Cable internet + cable modem )
[09:46] <obf213> i was trying to install a packaage and it kept hanging when it got to the installing part, so i ran it in console and i got this error message
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> BTJustice, see my /etc/fstab
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:47] <obf213> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:47] <obf213>  /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix_2.2.10-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[09:47] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: don't flood please
[09:47] <Jucato> !pastebin
[09:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:47] <obf213> what does it mean if there is error with postifx?
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, I'm sorry. In Xchat it looked like one line ..
[09:48] <BTJustice> I don;t see it
[09:48] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: he's on a live CD remember
[09:48] <obf213> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) what does this mean
[09:49] <intelikey> it's the little symbol that i cant print for obvious reasons   its an psy over a little T    that tells the irc server to \n (new line)   Zvezdichko    that's why it flooded
[09:50] <obf213> intelikey i get an error with postfix
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> I jumped on the page Jucato printed ( pastebin )
[09:50] <BTJustice> I guess I can;t mount any hard dirves since I am running Kubuntu off the Live CD.  It isn;t installed on my computer.
[09:50] <Jucato> obf213: you were trying to install postfix?
[09:50] <intelikey> obf213 i do too
[09:51] <obf213> i was trying to install lsb
[09:51] <intelikey> what error ?
[09:52] <intelikey> obf213 i need the error.  not the dpkg error the one from the setup scripts that cause the dpkg error  look above it
[09:52] <obf213> it says postfix is not going to be installed
[09:53] <obf213> it says Depends: postfix but is nto going to be installed or mail-transport-agent
[09:53] <intelikey> look a little higher
[09:54] <visik7> anyone got problems with flashplugin from backports ?
[09:54] <obf213> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:54] <visik7> obf213: ok I'm not alone
[09:55] <intelikey> or we can cludge around in the dark.    obf213 try this    sudo apt-get install -f 2| less
[09:56] <obf213> alrigtht
[09:56] <BTJustice> I guess I can't mount any hard drives since I am running Kubuntu off the Live CD.  It isn't installed on my computer.
[09:56] <intelikey> BTJustice i told you how to mount them.
[09:56] <intelikey> man mount
[09:56] <Jucato> BTJustice: yes you can, you just need to 1) create a mount point for it and 2) mount it manually
[09:57] <BTJustice> Uhg... command line...
[09:57] <Jucato> BTJustice: I never said anything about a command line :P
[09:57] <BTJustice> intelikey did
[09:57] <Jucato> BTJustice: System Settings > Disks & Filesystem if you want a GUI
[09:58] <intelikey> BTJustice if you just want to whine about a gui app not functioning to your specs.   i know how to /ignore blah all
[09:58] <BTJustice> man mount
[09:58] <BTJustice> in terminal
[09:58] <BTJustice> Why can;t I do it in KDE by going to System > Storage and right-clicking on the drive then left-clicking on mount?
[09:58] <obf213> intelikey thanks
[09:59] <intelikey> obf213 so now every thing working ?
[09:59] <obf213> yes
[09:59] <Jucato> BTJustice: because there's not mount point for your Windows partition so you can't just right-click
[09:59] <intelikey> obf213 i was kinda waiting for the error message....    :)
[09:59] <BTJustice> ok
[10:00] <obf213> i dunno eveyrthing just worked
[10:00] <obf213> the self install program just ran and it worked
[10:01] <intelikey> ok that's all you wanted.
[10:01] <intelikey> and i can make my own error messages to read   lol
[10:03] <BTJustice> sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/BACKUP
[10:03] <BTJustice> ???
[10:03] <intelikey> BTJustice no hda is the whole hd.
[10:04] <intelikey> you want the ntfs partition
[10:04] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/BACKUP
[10:04] <BTJustice> mount: mount point /mnt/BACKUP does not exist
[10:04] <intelikey> hda1 or hda2 probably
[10:04] <BTJustice> ntfs yes
[10:04] <intelikey> and make the dir.
[10:05] <intelikey> sudo mkdir /mnt ;sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:05] <intelikey> also add a umask to that mount command
[10:05] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/BACKUP -o umask=0
[10:06] <arunkale> How do I get Frostwire for Kubuntu?
[10:06] <intelikey> or your user (ubuntu) wont be able to access it
[10:06] <intelikey> !frostwire
[10:06] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:06] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt ;sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:06] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> I can;t right-click and make a folder?
[10:07] <intelikey> it made the folder
[10:07] <Jucato> BTJustice: no, enter the commands one at a time
[10:07] <intelikey> no error means no error
[10:07] <Jucato> err... intelikey /mnt already exists by default
[10:07] <intelikey>  /mnt was there but /mnt/backup wasnt
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt
[10:07] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:07] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/BACKUP': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[10:07] <intelikey> now he gets two errors
[10:07] <intelikey> :)
[10:07] <intelikey> see
[10:08] <Jucato> rawr
[10:08] <BTJustice> But it made them though it said they already existed???
[10:08] <intelikey> no it made them the first time
[10:08] <mel_> hi guys, can I get some with something really quick?
[10:09] <Jucato> if you asked your question really quick, maybe we can try :)
[10:09] <intelikey> you can repete the command from now on and it will error every time.  but if you remove the folders and run it it will make them again.  (the first time)
[10:10] <BTJustice> ah
[10:10] <BTJustice> ok got it mounted
[10:10] <BTJustice> but it won;t let me copy any files from it to a folder i made on Kubuntu
[10:10] <mel_> lol, im trying to get winetools to work, but it keeps asking me if im running under X11 with GTK+ installed
[10:11] <intelikey> how did you make the folder   and  note that ubuntu is running in ram.   unless you mount a disk you are copying to ram.
[10:11] <intelikey> and did you add the umask i told you to ?
[10:11] <BTJustice> sudo mkdir /TEMP
[10:12] <BTJustice> yes I did it like you said
[10:12] <intelikey> there's the answer.  root owns TEMP
[10:12] <intelikey> chown
[10:12] <intelikey> man chown
[10:12] <arunkale> that sounds like a chinese soup
[10:12] <arunkale> heh
[10:12] <BTJustice> Linux still has all these commands you have ot do in terminal I see, lol.
[10:12] <Jucato> mel_: I don't think winetools work very well
[10:13] <BTJustice> I am just trying ot get my wireless card to work with ndiswrapper
[10:13] <Jucato> BTJustice: it's because the person giving you the instructions want to give you direct and faster instructions
[10:13] <intelikey> or sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` /TEMP
[10:14] <BTJustice> I have no idea who I am since I am running Live.
[10:14] <mel_> ohh
[10:15] <mel_> this is my first time trying it out as well as today being my first day using ubuntu
[10:15] <intelikey> BTJustice just cp /paste that whole line. linux knows who you are.    and "<BTJustice> Linux still has all these commands you have ot do in terminal..."  not so  you could have made the dir in your user's home with the gui and it would have been accessable.
[10:15] <mel_> do guys like wine at all?
[10:15] <intelikey> i haven't had any wine in a long time...
[10:16] <Jucato> mel_: just use wine. winetools don't work with wine afaik
[10:16] <mel_> do know of a good tutorial for it
[10:16] <Jucato> at least not anymore from what I've heard...
[10:17] <intelikey> Jucato how can we get the bot to script this for us  ___sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` $DIR ___   ???
[10:17] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. we don't
[10:17] <intelikey> oh well it was just a thought.
[10:18] <intelikey> :)
[10:18] <Jucato> :p
[10:22] <BTJustice> well shoot, this ndiswrapper page said my xp driver would work for my card but it doesn't.  damnit!
[10:22] <Jucato> mel_: well, you could simply just install Wine from our repositories or use winehq's own repository. but since this is your first day to use Linux, I would suggest you try to get familiar with Kubuntu first before diving into slightly more complicated stuff
[10:22] <intelikey> don't you have to kill x to change the driver
[10:22] <BTJustice> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[10:22] <BTJustice> I have followed those instructions
[10:22] <intelikey> oh that's on wifi.  i was thinking ati vidio...   duh...
[10:22] <BTJustice> It appears to be much easier to have hardware Kubuntu already automatically supports.
[10:22] <visik7> flash isn't installable anymore
[10:22] <Jucato> visik7: what?
[10:22] <intelikey> yes non-propritary hardware is the answer.
[10:22] <BTJustice> lol
[10:22] <visik7> Jucato:
[10:22] <Jucato> intelikey: like?
[10:22] <mel_> yeah, im used gentoo for a while so Im used to things being complicated, lol
[10:22] <BTJustice> I have a TrendNET TEW-423PI wireless card which has the Marvel chipset.
[10:22] <intelikey> my real modem ?
[10:22] <Jucato> mel_: ok, I thought you meant it was your first time on Linux :)

[10:22] <BTJustice> 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[10:22] <BTJustice> So it already sees it but won;t use it.
[10:22] <arunkale> umm.. in some web pages.. light grey looks like light pink.. how do i fix this?
[10:23] <intelikey> Jucato 3d you may never find.  but there are some good cards that open source drivers work well with.
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: but then, we do need the 3D :P
[10:23] <Jucato> or at least I do
[10:23] <intelikey> need !   bah.
[10:24] <intelikey> want != need
[10:24] <Jucato> games = need = 3d acceleration :P
[10:24] <intelikey> want > need   sometimes, but that's a different philo
[10:24] <Jucato> 3d graphics/blender = need = 3d acceleration
[10:26] <intelikey> philo' sophia'  knowledge, the love of.
[10:26] <intelikey> death of many.
[10:26] <Jucato> course of mine :P
[10:26] <arunkale> anyone?
[10:26] <intelikey> shared, i'm sure
 i may as well be, lol
[10:27] <intelikey> arunkale unless setting the hue in the gui will help.  i have no clue.
[10:27] <BTJustice> Thanks for the help guys.
[10:28] <intelikey> kde may be rendering to much enhancement to the opique
[10:28] <arunkale> intelikey: how do i do that?
[10:28] <intelikey> arunkale kcontorl
[10:29] <intelikey> kcontrol   even
[10:29] <arunkale> ??
[10:29] <arunkale> i'm in system settings
[10:30] <intelikey> ah it's some where in there.  don't make me start a gui just to hunt for it.
[10:30] <arunkale> haha
[10:33] <intelikey> eeek  i need a kernel face lift.  sound is hosed.
[10:34] <kaffeine> any one lirc spesialists  what mean ./config.cache dialog not found ! after  when i run ./configure in lirc source version 0.8.0
[10:38] <intelikey> dialog is an app for convercing with the terminal
[10:38] <KnoKno> please help! How can I set up internet?
[10:38] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install dialog
[10:38] <intelikey> KnoKno can you be more vague ?
[10:38] <KnoKno> my eng is very bad :D
[10:38] <KnoKno> sorry
[10:38] <Jucato> intelikey: I can :)
[10:38] <intelikey> Jucato you can help KnoKno ?
[10:38] <Jucato> intelikey: no, I can be more vague :P
[10:38] <intelikey> !network
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <intelikey> !wifi
[10:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:38] <Jucato> KnoKno: what language do you speak?
[10:38] <intelikey> yes you are.  i'm network illiterate.
[10:38] <KnoKno> latvian :)
[10:38] <Jucato> ooh...
[10:39] <Jucato> intelikey: you? illiterate? that's highly unintelikely
[10:39] <intelikey> well would you at least beleave a high school drop out ?
[10:39] <Jucato> no
[10:40] <intelikey> actually i am.
[10:40] <Jucato> not even for one second
[10:40] <Jucato> a millisecond perhaps...
[10:40] <intelikey> i dropped out in the middle of the twelvth grade.
[10:41] <Jucato> anyway, going back to the topic?
[10:41] <intelikey> january 5 or 6     1983
[10:41] <Jucato> hm.. that was months away from the day I was born :P
[10:41] <kaffeine> intelikey  u know what driver i need to select for technisat airstar 2 dig- tv card
[10:41] <KnoKno`> I need to know where I can specify DNS servers
[10:42] <intelikey> i thought of that when you revealed you starting time stamp.... :)
[10:42] <CroX> Is there any good FTP client with gui that's standard in KDE?
[10:42] <CroX> Can't find any
[10:42] <Jucato> CroX: Konqueror
[10:42] <Jucato> KnoKno: maybe in System Settings > Network Connections ?
[10:42] <CroX> Jucato: Thanks
[10:42] <devilx> hi, I've got a question about Kubuntu in use with kickstart. I have the problem, that Kubuntu (everytime I kickstart it) wants to use security.ubuntu.com as security-updates mirror. In fact, this won't work on the network I'm on, since there is no direct connection to outside hosts, only via squid. Is there a possibillity to change kubuntu's security updates source?
[10:42] <intelikey> kaffeine sorry no.  i have no idea.   if google can't help   there is always  #buntu  and  ##linux
[10:43] <intelikey> you can ask in them
[10:43] <kaffeine> ok thanks
[10:43] <intelikey> CroX konqueror is as good as it gets.
[10:44] <KnoKno`> there I only see IP, Subnet & gateway fields
[10:45] <CroX> intelikey: Hrm.. Maybe Filezilla is available
[10:45] <intelikey> devilx yes there is.  and you can proxie the connection also    but i don't know enough to even get you confused real well.
[10:45] <Jucato> CroX: you said standard in KDE..
[10:45] <CroX> Jucato: Yeah, I know. And since Konqueror doesn't cut it for me, I'm going outside that. :P
[10:45] <intelikey> CroX apt-cache search ftp | less
[10:46] <CroX> intelikey: Thanks, I'll look around
[10:46] <intelikey> gftp is standard in ubuntu  also.
[10:46] <intelikey> i like ncftp
[10:46] <KnoKno`> Ok, I try to find out my problem in kubuntu forums
[10:46] <intelikey> but it's not gui
[10:47] <arunkale> FTP in konqueror is brilliant
[10:47] <arunkale> it works superfast for me
[10:48] <CroX> kftpgrabber looks nice
[10:48] <Jucato> CroX: in what way does Konquero not cut it for you?
[10:49] <CroX> Jucato: For starters, I want two browserwindows
[10:49] <abattoir> hmmm...
[10:49] <CroX> Jucato: Chances are, ofcourse, that I'm neglecting features I don't know of
[10:49] <Jucato> CroX: you can open 2 instances of Konqueror
[10:49] <abattoir> How do i always manage to come when there are debates about browsers? :P
[10:49] <arunkale> haha
[10:49] <visik7> flash is broken
[10:49] <abattoir> CroX: click at the bottom(status bar)->Split view(horizontal/vertical)
[10:50] <intelikey> CroX sounds like you might like gentoo
[10:50] <Jucato> abattoir: it's not a browser debate
[10:50] <Jucato> it's an FTP client debate :P
[10:50] <intelikey> not the distro.   the app.
[10:50] <blackflag> hello all :)
[10:50] <abattoir> CroX: does konqueror now have 2 'browserindows' ?
[10:50] <CroX> Also, I like an easily manageble session handler. So I can setup multiple FTP accounts and quickly connect to them
[10:50] <arunkale> when i'm working with files.. these green 'temp' icons show up.. but they're still thre even after i save and close the file
[10:50] <CroX> abattoir: I'll check
[10:50] <abattoir> unless you meant something else
[10:51] <CroX> abattoir: That's nice
[10:51] <intelikey> arunkale backup files ?   like    blah~
[10:52] <blackflag> I want to install software from edgy. I did an entry in sources.list but now I dont know how to get a package from edgy. How can I install a package from edgy? can someone help?
[10:52] <abattoir> CroX: that works almost anywhere, so you can browse 2 different sites, or one site, and use ftp in the other, or ssh or bleh, i'm too tired to explain everything :P
[10:52] <arunkale> yeah
[10:52] <arunkale> with the tilde
[10:53] <Jucato> blackflag: are you running Dapper or Edgy?
[10:53] <blackflag> Im running dapper
[10:53] <CroX> abattoir: Heh, I get the idea
[10:54] <CroX> abattoir: And thanks, that's a nice feature
[10:54] <Jucato> blackflag: it's not good to mix repos from Edgy
[10:54] <abattoir> CroX: :), thank the Konq. hackers
[10:54] <blackflag> why? I thought the software is stable enough
[10:54] <intelikey> blackflag oh you want to break your system.... i'm an expert at this. i'll help.    you do "sudo apt-get update "  to activate the new repo and  then  "sudo apt-get install <name of the app> "   to install it.   and when it breaks we'll have fun fixing it.  :)
[10:54] <blackflag> ?
[10:54] <arunkale> Also, how do I change to 'list view' instead of 'thumbnail view'
[10:54] <zorglu_> q. i have 2 package .deb on my local disk, but they have dependency on the usual ubuntu repository, i tried apt-get install mypackage.deb to install automatically all the dependancies but it does not get them, is there a way to get all the dependancies automatically ?
[10:54] <blackflag> okay
[10:55] <Jucato> blackflag: Dapper's software, but Edgy is still under development
[10:55] <abattoir> arunkale: in konqueror?
[10:55] <blackflag> but I need a bacula 1.38 on my systems so I can backup to dvd
[10:55] <blackflag> and dapper comes with 1.36
[10:55] <blackflag> what is the best way to get bacula 1.38 on dapper?
[10:56] <arunkale> abattoir: yes
[10:56] <intelikey> blackflag but !   if you don't want to break things  stick with one release version.   you can upgrade to edgy if you like   change all 'dapper' to 'edgy' in your sources.list and do  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "
[10:56] <abattoir> arunkale: View->View Mode->...
[10:57] <intelikey> that's the better way ^
[10:57] <arunkale> thanks!!
[10:58] <arunkale> i got fonts to render exactly like they do on os x
[10:58] <blackflag> hmmm.. but a totaly upgrade when I only need actually software?
[10:58] <arunkale> everything looks so awesome now
[10:59] <zorglu_> !pcf
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <blackflag> Should I compile bacula 1.38 by myself?
[10:59] <intelikey> blackflag if you only install one edgy package you will start a dependancy chain reaction that will confuse the 'fomas' out of your package manager.
[11:00] <intelikey> yes you can compile it.
[11:00] <blackflag> okay, so I better does it not this way
[11:00] <Jucato> blackflag: you could also try if they have a .deb package available? at least one that won't cause problems on Dapper
[11:00] <intelikey> install build-essential    grab the tarball and build.
[11:01] <blackflag> there are some deb`s on edgy homepage
[11:01] <Jucato> blackflag: oh don't use those...
[11:01] <intelikey> Jucato the version on dapper is 1.36   i just checked.
[11:02] <blackflag> okay, I see
[11:03] <TehKewl1> how do I map keyboard shortcuts?
[11:03] <blackflag> but when I compile 1.38 I dont have same problems with dependcies?
[11:03] <Jucato> TehKewl1: System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts
[11:03] <intelikey> TehKewl1 console ?  loadkeys           gui ?   kde has a key mapper
[11:04] <TehKewl1> thanx, it was easier in ubuntu breezy :D
[11:05] <TehKewl1> woah wait, how do I map volume up and down
[11:05] <intelikey> blackflag no, you avoid the dependancy problems,  as long as you don't remove the compiled software and something else later installed depending on it.
[11:06] <blackflag> ahh, okay
[11:07] <intelikey> but you "may" find compilation problems....   there is no perfect answer.  at least not within the paramaters you have set.
[11:07] <TehKewl1> is there an action for volume up and down?
[11:07] <blackflag> So I go trying my luck with compiling!
[11:07] <intelikey> so good luck with it and if things error out.  come ask.  and bring the error message.
[11:08] <intelikey> !b-e
[11:08] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:08] <arunkale> How do I get frostwire for kubuntu
[11:08] <blackflag> thanks , so far!
[11:08] <Jucato> !frostwire
[11:08] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:08] <intelikey> dont forget that ^ blackflag
[11:08] <arunkale> okay.. thanks
[11:08] <intelikey> blackflag https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[11:08] <Jucato> TehKewl1: it's in one of those tabs... not sure which one...
[11:08] <arunkale> Btw, Konqueror is super fast as far as FTP goes.. I can transfer files like I do on my local hard drive.. it's that fast!
[11:09] <TheFuzzball> who knows how to install XFCE on kubuntu as a secondary enviroment?
[11:09] <intelikey> TheFuzzball sudo apt-get install xfce4
[11:09] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[11:10] <intelikey> does he want all the xubuntu stuff ???
[11:10] <Jucato> oh well :)
[11:10] <intelikey> :)
[11:10] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[11:10] <Jucato> if he doesn't: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xfce
[11:10] <intelikey> 4
[11:11] <Jucato> err right
[11:11] <_thomas_> how do I get tv out in gnome?
[11:11] <blackflag> is there a good place where I can find prebuild packages?
[11:12] <_thomas_> I know it works, I just forgot where the button to enable it is... anyone?
[11:12] <intelikey> blackflag the repos.   but again if you install a .deb that wasnt made for the system you are running  'deps catastrophy'
[11:13] <silensius> how a user can mount a usb disk in kubuntu
[11:13] <blackflag> hmm.. is it easy to create own debs?
[11:13] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/sda /media/something
[11:14] <intelikey> blackflag there are many howto's on that
[11:14] <blackflag> okay
[11:18] <buz> anyone seeing issues with flashplayer when updating dapper?
[11:19] <blackflag> Okay I ll try compile bacula 1.38-11
[11:19] <arunkale> opera renders pages badly on my pc... especially pages with flash
[11:21] <abattoir> buz: what does it say? any errors?
[11:22] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/177264
[11:25] <intelikey> hehhe i know a fix for that update-rc.d error.  although the *bunbu folks wont like me saying it.    echo /bin/true | sudo tee /usr/sbin/update-rc.d         you might want to backup the existing one first... assuming you will want to undo that.
[11:26] <buz> should i file a bug report?
[11:26] <intelikey> prolly
[11:30] <arunkale> how do i fix flash in opera
[11:32] <arunkale> By the way, where are the 'temporary files' stored?
[11:32] <intelikey> /tmp
[11:33] <intelikey> arunkale which 'temporary files' ?
[11:33] <intelikey> could actually be /var/cache/  you are asking about
[11:33] <arunkale> I mean what is the linux equivalent of the 'temp' folder in windows? where the temp files from applications and browsers saved
[11:34] <arunkale> is there such a thing?
[11:34] <buz>  /tmp
[11:34] <arunkale> okay, cool
[11:34] <arunkale> and it's emptied automatically?
[11:34] <buz> upon reboot, yes
[11:34] <arunkale> brilliant
[11:35] <arunkale> :)
[11:36] <intelikey> arunkale browsers generally use ~/.<browser.specific>/cache
[11:37] <intelikey> and it's not emptied on reboot  :)
[11:37] <blackflag> Can I install bacula 1.38 via backports?
[11:37] <intelikey> should i look and see what you are wanting to hide  >:]
[11:38] <intelikey> possably ossably ossably...
[11:40] <intelikey> now, whether to build a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel....   i think i can make the 2.4 smaller.  but i'm not sure about the scsi support; will my burner work........
[11:41] <intelikey> about 800k smaller even.
[11:42] <Zvezdichko> oh
[11:42] <Zvezdichko> ...
[11:42] <intelikey> maybe i could just make the modules for the kernel i'm running.....    i have to use modules tho.  it's a stand alone kernel.
[11:43] <intelikey> have/hate
[11:43] <Jazon> hi guys
[11:43] <Jazon> what is a zombie in top ?
[11:43] <intelikey> Jazon
[11:43] <Jazon> intelikey:
[11:43] <intelikey> means there is no process but a place holder is still there
[11:44] <intelikey> when the parent is killed it will vanish
[11:45] <intelikey> pstree
[11:49] <arunkale> opera is magically working better than firefox :=
[11:49] <arunkale> :\
[11:49] <flaccid_> it usually does
[11:49] <intelikey> so i hear.
[11:50] <flaccid_> tabs in firefox can be slow
[11:50] <flaccid_> in comparison
[11:50] <flaccid_> on linux
[11:50] <flaccid_> if ur on kde
[11:50] <flaccid_> coz opera is qt
[11:50] <Jucato> heh
[11:51] <Jucato> despite it being Qt, I still didn't fall for it..
[11:51] <flaccid_> i can't find anything better anyway...
[11:51] <Zvezdi`go`nqma> re
[11:52] <Jucato> now if only Opera open sourced it's rendering engine...
[11:52] <intelikey> don't forget to ldconfig    <-- note to self.
[11:52] <flaccid_> what would you do with it, Jucato?
[11:52] <Jucato> I'll use Opera :P
[11:52] <Jucato> nah.. still like Konqueror... EXCEPT in some things... :(
[11:53] <flaccid_> i use opera mail
[11:53] <flaccid_> v good
[11:53] <Jucato> I use kmail :)
[11:53] <flaccid_> i like it integrated with browser
[11:53] <flaccid_> more powerful
[11:53] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, what do you think that the best browser is
[11:53] <Jucato> I like my mail and feeds separate from the browser :P
[11:53] <intelikey> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/local/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/scripts/lxdialog'
[11:53] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
[11:54] <flaccid_> its still abstracted in opera
[11:54] <intelikey> make[1] : *** [ncurses]  Error 1
[11:54] <flaccid_> rss to your inbox
[11:54] <Jucato> honestly, when it comes to rendering, I have to admit it's Firefox... but Konqueror is still the best for me...
[11:54] <intelikey> what am i mising in that error text ?   ncurses-bin and -base are newest
[11:54] <serishema> i'm trying to set up mod_mono with apache and i've followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ModMono but i just cannot get it to work. I always get "internal server error 500" from an application that works with IIS on windows
[11:54] <Jucato> flaccid_: web browser, e-mail client, and feed reader: 3 things I don't want to be mixed... (that's why I don't like Thunderbird)
[11:55] <Zvezdichko> Konqueror is good, but I use firefox
[11:55] <Jucato> intelikey: something that installs "ld"?
[11:55] <Zvezdichko> I've red somewhere that there's a browser for Emacs, any idea what was the name?
[11:55] <arunkale> what happens when i cancel the download when updates are in progress?
[11:55] <intelikey> Jucato ?
[11:55] <flaccid_> fair enough
[11:55] <Jucato> intelikey: err.. nvm...
[11:56] <intelikey>  ld --version
[11:56] <intelikey> GNU ld version 2.16.91 20060118 Debian GNU/Linux
[11:58] <Jucato> if only KDE  improved KHTML to match Gecko (or if Apple helped as they should), maybe Konqueror would be one of those up there...
[11:58] <flaccid_> i think khtml is pretty close
[11:58] <flaccid_> just a little behind opera
[11:58] <flaccid_> i find firefox worse in some cases css wise than konqueror
[11:59] <Jucato> flaccid_: in terms of rendering: Firefox > Opera > KHTML...
[11:59] <intelikey> some one know why this might happen ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d24078
[11:59] <flaccid_> opera, khtml, firefox imho
[11:59] <serishema> intelikey i'm guessing that ncurses is infact installed even though it says it's not?
[11:59] <flaccid_> wikipedia shows similar
[11:59] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, javascript and css
[11:59] <intelikey> ncurses-bin is already the newest version   &&   ncurses-base is already the newest version.
[12:00] <flaccid_> the head dude of opera is the dude who created css
[12:00] <intelikey> serishema is there another ncurses package i might need ?
[12:00] <serishema> ncurses-dev if there is such a thing
[12:00] <flaccid_> well 1 of the founders or whatever, not sure what he is atm
[12:01] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, I've only recently felt the pain of KHTML''s inadequacy when it comes to Rich Text Editors of blogs and most of Google's web services...
[12:01] <intelikey> doesn't seem to be any  ncurses-dev
[12:01] <serishema> no there doesn't.
[12:02] <flaccid_> Jucato: rich text editors? you mean wysiwyg ?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> !libncurses5-dev
[12:02] <ubotu> libncurses5-dev: Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses. In component main, is optional. Version 5.5-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1276 kB, installed size 5904 kB
[12:02] <Jucato> flaccid_: yes
[12:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:02] <intelikey> thoreauputic do i need that ?
[12:02] <flaccid_> thats more likely proprietery javascript
[12:02] <intelikey> some one know why this might happen ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d24078
[12:02] <thoreauputic> intelikey: no idea - what are you doing? Compiling something?
[12:03] <intelikey> thoreauputic ^
[12:03] <flaccid_> google does not use ecmascript 262
[12:03] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, some CSS don't render properly on Konqueror, too
[12:03] <flaccid_> yeah some css is wrong in all browers
[12:03] <Jucato> flaccid_: js or css, the problem is that it's barely usable...
[12:03] <flaccid_> IE just being the icing
[12:03] <thoreauputic> intelikey: yes, you need it :)
[12:03] <intelikey> ok.
[12:04] <silensius> et comment
[12:04] <flaccid_> Jucato: need to check if javascript or jscript prop. methods are being used and if the js is valid according to ecmascript 262
[12:04] <serishema> it's looking like i'm going to have to install windows dual boot just for asp .net development
[12:04] <serishema> i'
[12:04] <flaccid_> using standards khtml comes ahead of firefox slightly
[12:04] <serishema> i suppose i could try compiling apache and mod_mono from source in the hope that will actually work
[12:05] <intelikey> thoreauputic that was indeed it.    why does the error point to ncurses not libncurses5-dev  ???
[12:05] <Jucato> flaccid_: yes... but what good are "standards" if no one uses (or enforces) them...
[12:05] <intelikey> but thanks anyway.
[12:05] <flaccid_> Jucato: besides IE, all three vendors are working on patches the holes of css and standard javascript support
[12:05] <thoreauputic> intelikey: in 99% of cases, in Debian distros these errors refer to lib* - dev
[12:06] <thoreauputic> intelikey: other distros use different naming schems
[12:06] <thoreauputic> *schemes
[12:06] <Jucato> flaccid_: well I hope so... I hate to have to switch back and forth from Konqueror to Firefox just so that I could use blogs etc
[12:06] <flaccid_> remember most sites are still invalid
[12:07] <thoreauputic> intelikey: but looks like you are compiling a kernel - the hard way? have you read the kernel howtos on the wiki ?
[12:07] <Jucato> yes, Google being one of them... yet Google's services are so...
[12:07] <flaccid_> wikipedia does comparison of all those major browsers
[12:07] <Jucato> of course, part of the problem lies with Google...
[12:07] <thoreauputic> intelikey: why do you need 2.4.27 by the way?
[12:07] <flaccid_> google does not code the client side to sites to web standards
[12:09] <Jucato> ...
[12:10] <intelikey> thoreauputic i haven't read on the wiki, no.   i have built this kernel before so it shouldn't be a problem.   i use 2.4 because i'm building a stand alone bootable from a dos disk with loadlin   and size is far more important than suppore for things this particular hardware doesn't have  :)
[12:11] <intelikey> again thanks for the heads up on that one thoreauputic
[12:11] <thoreauputic> intelikey: OK - you're welcome ( and that makes sense )
[12:11] <intelikey> actually the running kernel is the 2.4.27   i just needed to add a sound card
[12:12] <intelikey> seeing there are no modules.  and i changed cards.
[12:13] <intelikey> and 'yes i know i could make the modules.'   :)
[12:14] <cox377> Like the live kubuntu CD that you can download is it possible to create a boot cd of my current installation, so i can boot into another computer with all my current settings etc saved on the CD so it's not a default boot like with the cd thats downloadable off the internet?
[12:15] <ps> has anyone here got ssh-askpass working at login to add your ssh key into the ssh-agent
[12:15] <intelikey> cox377 it is possable. yes.  but your installed kubuntu won't fit on a cd.
[12:16] <hettar> Has anyone managed to get edgy knot 3 to install with an ATI card ? I just get a black screen once X starts
[12:18] <intelikey> hettar drop to a console and  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <cox377> intelikey: Ummmmm... could it be done onto a dvd then? is it possible, when creating this CD/DVD to select the things u want?
[12:18] <hettar> this is before I even get to the stage of installing it though
[12:18] <hettar> this is when the live CD is booting
[12:18] <intelikey> cox377 yes it's possable.  have a look at some knoppix howtos
[12:19] <cox377> intelikey: is that the app that is used to do it?
[12:19] <intelikey> hettar oh yeah....  ah boot with vga=781 maybe ?
[12:19] <hettar> hmm ok I'll give that a try
[12:19] <intelikey> errr 771
[12:19] <hettar> k thanks
[12:19] <intelikey> idk.  hit the f1 key and read
[12:20] <intelikey> cox377 that's the techknowledgy used
[12:20] <hettar> hmm actually I have tried different vga modes. the screen only goes black once X starts.
[12:20] <cox377> intelikey: ok cheers, looking now.. thanks
[12:21] <intelikey> knoppix is not an app but a distro  and the first to build a good working live CD
[12:22] <cox377> intelikey: so do i need that installed to create a live CD?
[12:22] <kyano> hi all
[12:22] <arunkale> if i use opera, i cant use the google talk that comes inbuilt with gmail.. is there any way to fix this?
[12:22] <intelikey> hettar acpi=0   not sure it will work.    i know the issue you are trying to describe.  but if  vga=  and possably  noacpi or acpi=   don't fix it.   i have no help.
[12:23] <intelikey> cox377 no you need to read up on how knoppix works and how the live cd is made.
[12:23] <cox377> Ahh ok.. chees
[12:23] <hettar> Ok I'll give the acpi ones a try. although I haven't had acpi issues before.
[12:23] <intelikey> cheese to you too
[12:23] <Jucato> lol
[12:24] <intelikey> Jucato i'll be away for a bit building a kernel.  if these guys come back see what you can do,  k
[12:25] <Zvezdichko> back
[12:25] <Jucato> intelikey: I'll be going away in a bit, too
[12:25] <intelikey> figures.
[12:25] <cpk2> oh noes!
[12:25] <cpk2> =P
[12:25] <Jucato> I need/want to boot back into Linux :)
[12:25] <intelikey> go
[12:26] <cpk2> intelikey, Jucato: do you guys ever sleep?
[12:26] <Jucato> hold on. I'm enjoying messing with XP
[12:26] <Jucato> :P
[12:26] <cpk2> =)
[12:26] <Jucato> cpk2: of course I do. but it's barely 7pm here :P
[12:26] <intelikey> cpk2 while you are not here
[12:26] <cpk2> i have some awkward sleeping patterns though... hrmm
[12:27] <intelikey> normal is.......  me. it's the rest of the world that's crazy.
[12:28] <cpk2> ah, of course!
[12:28] <intelikey> all of ya.  you hear me ?    you are all insane.  i'm the only one sane in the whole world.....
 normal is.......  me. it's the rest of the world that's crazy <-- that's the best sign of psychosis :P
[12:28] <intelikey> well anyway...
[12:29] <Jucato> ok, signing off now :)
[12:29] <intelikey> signs and wonders is my specality
[12:29] <Jucato> bye!!!
[12:31] <MDCore> How do I modify the styles in kopete ?
[12:31] <intelikey> visiting the local mental institution.   i asked the dirrector, what the criteria was, for judging mentel health?    he replied "we give new guests a spoon and a bucket and ask them to empty a bath tub."
[12:31] <intelikey> i said "ah the sane people use the bucket."
[12:32] <intelikey> to which he replied " no they pull the plug.   please come with me."
[12:37] <SillyZ> mornin
[12:38] <Zvezdichko> o/
[12:43] <intelikey> what's optamum size for ramdisks on older systems ?  4m ?  2m ?   16m ?     anyone know ?
[12:44] <intelikey> optimum maybe
[12:46] <cpk2> hmm, how old intelikey?
[12:46] <intelikey> oh 10 years
[12:47] <cpk2> i would say 4-16?
[12:47] <cpk2> 32 at the biggest possibly
[12:47] <intelikey> no reason not to use 4m then
[12:48] <cpk2> is that for your swap partition?
[12:49] <cox377> intelikey: I've found this site, it's for ubuntu and now kubuntu, would there be a difference with something like this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06
[12:50] <cox377> not*
[12:50] <intelikey> swap ?   who said anything about swap ?     no it's ramdisk size in the kernel
[12:51] <jackle> Hi everyone
[12:51] <intelikey> cox377 probably not.  the level at which the live CD is built is below the wm or even the xserver
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: so in theory i could follow those instructions
[12:52] <intelikey> only thing there may be some gnome specific apps that they mention using in editing and copying files... you can inturpret
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: yeh that's oit, i shall just follow and see what happens
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: cheers for your help
[12:52] <cpk2> intelikey: why not use ramdisk as a module?
[12:53] <intelikey> i.e. gedit == kwrite    or nautilus == konqueror     synaptic == adept   kind of thing cox377
[12:54] <intelikey> cpk2 :)
[12:54] <cox377> intelikey: cheer
[12:54] <jackle> I've done something terrible wrong with my X renderring. Maybe I installed some weird font package but my renderring is SLOOOOOW. Slow as in: If I hover my mouse over the window titles in the taskbar.. the window titles get highllited long after I've had my mouse over it. If I compile a app, the compile text scroll slowly over the screen (you can see the screen getting refreshed). I've got the nvidia driver installed.
[12:54] <jackle> Anyone any ideas?
[12:54] <cpk2> intelikey: just saying, if you compile into the kernel you are stuck with 4m, with a module you can change it if you want to
[12:55] <intelikey> cpk2 you must not have been here for the discussion,   there wont be any modules.  it's a stand alone kernel.
[12:56] <cpk2> intelikey: sorry i missed the debate =P
[12:56] <intelikey> np
[12:57] <intelikey> jackle i'd say you hosed something.   run top and see if something has cpu at 100%
[12:58] <jackle> intelikey: I run folding . but even if I switch folding completely off, the screens are still slow (which was not the case some time ago)
[12:59] <intelikey> are you saying folding keeps the cpu at 100% ?
[12:59] <jackle> folding keeps it at 100% yes
[12:59] <intelikey> i see
[01:00] <jackle> nog X seems to be topping
[01:00] <jackle> *now
[01:00] <jackle> As soon as I scroll a bit.. X is at the top
[01:01] <intelikey> isn't that a heat risk ?   holding cpu at 100%       my p1 is seldom above 3% for more than a second or two
[01:02] <intelikey> but that's not helping you....    jackle  you need a gui wizard... i'm a cli geek myself.
[01:02] <cpk2> intelikey: if you run a game it takes 100% cpu
[01:03] <jackle> at 100% usage, my cpu avg at 28c
[01:03] <intelikey> that's obviously not a lappy
[01:04] <jackle> it fells like a font rederring package or something to do with mesa
[01:04] <cpk2> my laptop seems to run *a lot* cooler now that it doesnt have a hd in it
[01:04] <intelikey> mesa  yep  prolly
[01:05] <jackle> a friend told me on gentoo he has "eselect nvidia" .. what is the kubuntu equivalent?
[01:05] <cpk2> well on gentoo you can do anything by using flags
[01:07] <jackle> lets say I'm using mesa in stead of nvidia.. how do I switch back to nvidia?
[01:09] <cpk2> tell xorg.conf?
[01:10] <jackle> I have driver=nvidia .. I suppose that is it?
[01:10] <Jucato> jackle: try System Settings > Display > Hardware tab
[01:11] <jackle> It says that the display module could not be loaded.
[01:11] <Jucato> hm...
[01:12] <cox377> !pastebin
[01:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:12] <cpk2> wouldnt dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg put it to default values?
[01:12] <Jucato> driver "nv" is the free/open source driver for Nvidia. driver "nvidia" is the proprietary binary driver, which would only work if you have "nvidia-glx" installed
[01:13] <jackle> I actually did run -reconfigure which didnt help. nvidia-glx is installed
[01:13] <cox377> I've got a problem when tyring to update flashplugin
[01:13] <cox377> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24086
[01:13] <cox377> thats the error i get, would anyone beable to point out why?
[01:14] <Jucato> jackle: couple of things to check: is linux-restricted-modules installed? and does it match the kernel version you are using (uname -r)?
[01:15] <Jucato> cox377: silly question, why are you logged in as root?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> cox377: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:15] <jackle> Jucato:  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-amd64-generic, linux-image-2.6.15-27-amd64-generic
[01:15] <cpk2> Jucato: silly questions get silly answers
[01:16] <cox377> jacato: i've tried what was put "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and it still gave the same error, when not logged into route
[01:16] <Jucato> jackle: ok. did you already run nvidia-xconfig (or the equivalent nvidia-glx-config enable)? and did you restart X after that?
[01:16] <cox377> root*
[01:17] <gnomefreak> cox377: is this ubuntu's package?
[01:18] <cox377> name kubuntu?
[01:18] <cox377> nah***
[01:18] <gnomefreak> cox377: did you get it from the flash website or in the repos?
[01:18] <GnarusLeo> Hi! I have just bought the sony ericcsson k610 cellphone. I have heard that it is possible to SYNC the Callendar/appointments with this phone on ubuntu ... does anyone have a good start for me?
[01:18] <cox377> gnomefreak: from repos
[01:19] <cox377> gnomefreak: i ran the apt-get install update and it broiught that up, then it gave an error and told me to run sudo dpkg --configure -a so i did and thats what i got
[01:19] <gnomefreak> cox377: ill be right back have to go outside for a min
[01:20] <emonkey-p> http://blog.outer-court.com/click2/
[01:20] <GnarusLeo> Anyone ever syncronized a cellphone with ubuntu before?
[01:21] <cox377> gnomefreak: kk
[01:22] <cox377> GnarusLeo: as in getting ubuntu to read the phones chip?
[01:22] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i know the svn version of kmobiletools has a kontact(KDE's pim application) plugin which works well, dont know if the stable versions have it though
[01:22] <abattoir> !info kmobiletools
[01:22] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 820 kB
[01:22] <GnarusLeo> cox377, i was more thinking of syncronizing the callendar and stuf
[01:22] <cox377> GnarusLeo: ahh ok
[01:22] <GnarusLeo> I actually have kmobiletools, but I dont know which one my phone is /dev/something_wierd ... how would I know?
[01:23] <jackle> Jucato: yes. nvidia-xonfig to set up X and then -enable and I've restarted multiple times
[01:23] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: how are you connecting it? (bluetooth, IR, data cable) ?
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> USB data cable
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> abattoir,
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> or I could use bluetooth, either way is fine
[01:23] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: does your phone offer a syncmode/data mode on connection?
[01:24] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, actually I think it does, give me a sec!
[01:24] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i mean, does it become a USB mass storage device on connection?
[01:24] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i'd love to help you, but i have to go now :(
[01:24] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, I can choose something like "file transfeer" or some other otion, Ill check
[01:25] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: if the stable version does not have the plugin... and if you are familiar w/ doing an svn check out, and compiling, then i'd suggest trying the svn version
[01:25] <GnarusLeo> I am, and I will, thanks
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: http://www.kmobiletools.org/svn
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> But cox377 and abattoir: how would I know wich tty my phone is?
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: you might also want to check the list of supported phones
[01:26] <intelikey> i must have cron or at running....   i thought i fixed all that krap.
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> its connected and ready (not as usb mass storage)
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, ok
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i'm sorry, i *really* have to go now
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> its ok :) Thanks dude
[01:27] <abattoir> if someone here cant help, try #kmobiletools
[01:27] <abattoir> bye
[01:27] <intelikey> GnarusLeo wvdialconf  let it find it for you
[01:27] <cox377> GnarusLeo: i was actully interested in your question as i'm looking to get my mobile hooked up
[01:29] <GnarusLeo> ok cox377, maybe Well sort it together
[01:29] <cox377> lol
[01:29] <cox377> I just want to be able to access the images that are sitting on my phone chip without having to take the thing out
[01:35] <gnomefreak> cox377: sudo dpkg -r flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <gnomefreak> cox377: once it removed please sudo apt-get install flasshplugin-nonfree
[01:43] <GnarusLeo> how do I configure from svn with kubuntu? I seem to get errors on all ... I download the svn. then I use "make -f admin/Makefile.common" then ./confgure .. then make, but it fails each time
[01:43] <cox377> gnomefreak: cheers mate
[01:43] <GnarusLeo> on all svn I try
[01:43] <gnomefreak> works?
[01:44] <cox377> gnomefreak: just doing it now, P.S is there a way to go from root to normal from command without having to close and reopen terminal
[01:44] <GnarusLeo> and .configure does not fail
[01:44] <gnomefreak> cox377: just type exit
[01:45] <cox377> gnomefreak: i'm still getting an error
[01:45] <cox377> just getting it into pastebin
[01:46] <lish> Huahua: ^.^
[01:46] <cox377> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24093
[01:46] <cox377> sorry mate, this is irratating for both of us lol
[01:46] <syn__> i cant activate my soundcard...any help?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> cox377: give me a few im working on something atm
[01:47] <cox377> gnomefreak: ok mate, thanks for all your helo
[01:48] <GnarusLeo> 'make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure && cd XXX && make' <--- isnt that standard procidure for compiling SVN?
[01:54] <syn__> i cant activate my soundcard...any help?
[01:55] <BadWolf> hi is that normal, that i can't run servers on an ubuntu system?
[01:55] <mth`MAW> ermh?
[01:55] <mth`MAW> No?!
[01:56] <mth`MAW> What do you mean?
[01:56] <intelikey> syn__ cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:56] <GnarusLeo> Can anyone please check why this fails? http://pastebin.com/790475
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> its a nightly
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> All compilations Ive tried fails
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> over nightly and svn
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> 140 updates to kubuntu Edgy? OMG. how often do they update the software? damn
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> i know it's the dev version right now, but that's a lot :P
[01:59] <intelikey> GnarusLeo i'd say the makefile is bad.
[01:59] <intelikey> MasterEvilAce some of it every day.
[01:59] <GnarusLeo> intelikey, I have tried several svn (different applications even), and it gives the same error
[01:59] <GnarusLeo> is there something Im missing here?
[02:00] <intelikey> GnarusLeo you got build-essential installed ?
[02:00] <GnarusLeo> make -f admin/Makefile.common
[02:00] <thorgal> hi. I am trying to chmod a bash script to run as root. Unfortunately, despite having corrent flags it still runs as my user.  I realize that "ubuntu is not debian", but this particular things has worked on all unix boxes I used to date. what am I doing wrong?
[02:00] <GnarusLeo> intelikey, whats that?
[02:00] <intelikey> !b-e
[02:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:00] <intelikey> go read ^
[02:00] <MasterEvilAce> oh SNAP.. is the newest usplash actually good now?
[02:01] <intelikey> well i'm went.   gooday  fellas'
[02:01] <BadWolf> GnarusLeo: want to run an ftp server... but i can't connect to it with telnet for example
[02:01] <BadWolf> nmap on localhost doesn't work too
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> !mcopy
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mcopy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <jackle> Does anyone know how I can reinstall the kde-control-centre Display module?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> jackle,  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[02:07] <jackle> |lostbyte|: and if the module then still doesnt want to load?
[02:11] <Morbo> ((((((((((((((   Good Morning Friends   ))))))))))))))))))))
[02:14] <kaffeine> ls
[02:17] <kaffeine> why i get "no make utility found on this system" when i try to run ./configure in source
[02:18] <Mortice> kaffeine: apt-get install build-essential
[02:27] <seanOne> parp?
[02:29] <kaffeine> mortice  now it say  kernel source files missing can i get it with apt-get
[02:29] <Mortice> yea
[02:29] <Mortice> sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[02:29] <Mortice> make sure to include those back-ticks
[02:34] <kaffeine> ooh thanks is that all i need
[02:34] <Mortice> kaffeine: great. good luck with the build! :)
[02:34] <tobstarr> hi
[02:35] <tobstarr> does anybody know why ubuntu is not updating firefox? are there any problems with the <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> versions?
[02:35] <tobstarr> !firefox
[02:35] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:39] <kaffeine> mortice  is 2.4.27 latest version of kernel headers
[02:39] <wedgeV> i get "mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample" when running mplayer
[02:39] <wedgeV> on edgy
[02:41] <CVirus> wedgeV: ask on #Ubuntu
[02:41] <CVirus> wedgeV: and why are you using edgy if you dont want to fix this error yourself !
[02:41] <Mortice> kaffeine: no, it's not. is that what apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed?
[02:42] <CVirus> brb .. reboot
[02:42] <kaffeine> no its 2.6.15 but it only give these 2.4.27
[02:43] <Mortice> huh? apt-get tells you it's installing 2.6.25 kernel headers, and installs the headers for 2.4.27?
[02:43] <kaffeine> yea why
[02:44] <Mortice> could you pastebin the output of apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` please?
[02:45] <NeoSaki> w00t
[02:46] <NeoSaki> I got my ATI 9700 pro to run glxgears at ~5000fps
[02:46] <NeoSaki> beastly
[02:46] <MenZa> lol
[02:49] <NeoSaki> Hey anyone know if Flash 8.5 will enable Flash on a 64-bit platform
[02:49] <kaffeine>  mortice   how i can change language in console so uoy understand the word im from finland so i have finish console
[02:49] <NeoSaki> kinda makes me wonder about Macromedia if they are not even up-to-date with what is now a standard
[02:49] <Hawkwind> NeoSaki: We won't see any new flash until flash 9 for Linux after the first of the year and doubtful they'll make a 64Bit version
[02:50] <Mortice> kaffeine: i'm not actually sure, sorry. but I'll be able to decipher it in finnish, i think :)
[02:50] <Hawkwind> 64Bit is far from a 'standard' thankfully.  It won't be for a couple more years atleast
[02:50] <kaffeine> ok :)
[02:50] <MasterEvilAce> having a problem with latest full upgrade in Edgy... two python upgrades are erroring = "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'old_versions'" ... dist-upgrade -f isn't helping
[02:51] <NeoSaki> Hawkwind: Psh...Its a standard to me
[02:51] <NeoSaki> I haven't had a 32-bit processor since the AMD64 was released
[02:52] <MasterEvilAce> 64bit is what you should aspire to have.. however it's not standard in popularity
[02:52] <NeoSaki> Neither has most of your friends
[02:52] <Umntwana> hello there
[02:52] <NeoSaki> of my friends*
[02:52] <seanOne> Hawkwind, that's like really out of date from the 70s.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> seanOne: Huh ?
[02:55] <GnarusLeo> If I want to have controll over appointments, birthdays and such in kubuntu, and as well sync this to my k610i cellphone ... wich will be the best way?
[02:57] <kaffeine> mortice here is pastebin.com/790508
[02:58] <Umntwana> leave
[03:02] <kaffeine> mortice did u get the link
[03:02] <Mortice> kaffeine: yes, thanks. attempting to load it now. pastebin.com is slow today
[03:03] <Mortice> kaffeine: you didn't type the command i told you to type.
[03:03] <Mortice> kaffeine: but i did tell you to type the wrong command anyway. my bad.
[03:04] <Mortice> kaffeine: type "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[03:04] <kaffeine> ok
[03:07] <Xanith> hey how do i edit my grub configuration?
[03:07] <Xanith> i have installed windows on a second hard drive
[03:07] <Mortice> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:07] <Xanith> the only way i can switch between windows and linux is to change the mbr in my bios
[03:07] <Xanith> i should be able to just add the location in grub correct?
[03:08] <Mortice> yea, provided that when your mbr is set to point to linux, grub loads up
[03:08] <Xanith> yea i want to leave the mbr set to linux, because 90% of the time i'll use linux
[03:08] <Xanith> but i want to be able to just choose windows or linux instead of switching it in the bios everytime
[03:08] <Mortice> yea
[03:08] <Mortice> that's what grub is for :)
[03:08] <kaffeine> mortice it cant find any packages i send pastebin soon
[03:09] <Mortice> kaffeine: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list as well, please.
[03:09] <Xanith> any website that shows the grub configuration for a windows setup?
[03:09] <Mortice> !grub
[03:09] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:09] <Xanith> thanks
[03:10] <Isoss> any idea?
[03:10] <Isoss> Hi guys ... I can't get konversation to work and I think that's because I am behind a proxy server. with XChat I can specify the proxy and the port, but can't find that in konversation
[03:10] <Mortice> ;)
[03:10] <jfdbmi> how do I find my root passwd? On install from the live cd i did not type any
[03:11] <NeoSaki> jfdbmi: your root pass = your normal pass
[03:11] <Mortice> !sudo > jfdbmi
[03:11] <Mortice> Isoss: AFAICT, konversation doesn't have working proxy support
[03:12] <Isoss> how can I get it to work then?
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> hi everyone, when i try to install the flashplayer plugin, i receive this message: ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supportedby the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> what can i do to fix it?
[03:12] <Mortice> Isoss: use a different client?
[03:12] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: you have to install 32-bit firefox
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> im using konqueror
[03:12] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: then install the flash plugin
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> Isoss, or install bnc on the server
[03:13] <Isoss> what server?
[03:13] <flavioribeiro> ok NeoSaki thanks man
[03:13] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: konqueror is a bitch to make it use flash
[03:13] <flavioribeiro> hehehehehe
[03:13] <Isoss> what is bnc anyway?
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> the computer where the proxy is installed
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> the proxy server
[03:13] <Isoss> it's my ISP
[03:13] <kaffeine> mortice links are 790522 and 790527
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> then try another client
[03:14] <Mortice> kaffeine: it's much easier for me to open them if you paste the entire URL, but thanks
[03:14] <Isoss> I think that's a weakness in konversation that it can't work behind proxy servers
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> install xchat
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> it has proxy support
[03:14] <Isoss> I have it
[03:15] <tom__> wuld anyone know why when i apt-get linux-headers-686 no new kernel appears in /boot?
[03:15] <Mortice> or irssi, or pretty much any other client but konversation
[03:15] <Isoss> thanks anyway
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> hey NeoSaki u have free time to teach me how to mount win here? if no, no problem
[03:15] <NeoSaki> mount win?
[03:15] <ninniuz> shouldnt u download linux-image?
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> Heh, new kernel update... again
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> i will google
[03:15] <NeoSaki> mount your windows drive?
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> NeoSaki:  yes
[03:15] <Zvezdichko> be blessed, Isoss
[03:16] <flavioribeiro> just to play my mp3s
[03:16] <scream> hola,hay algun espaol??
[03:16] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: hrm...odd...kubuntu normally sets it up auto for me
[03:16] <NeoSaki> !es
[03:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:16] <Mortice> kaffeine: I'm confused as to how you've ended up with 2.6.15-27. Where did you get your kernel from?
[03:16] <tom__> i did apt-get on every linux headers, nothing new in my /boot or grub.conf
[03:16] <arunkale> hello
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> I really miss how package managers under RPM distros would tell you the reason for the update.
[03:16] <flavioribeiro> !br
[03:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:17] <ninniuz> tom I think you need linux-image packages...dont know if I'm right
[03:17] <Mortice> tom__: the linux-headers packages don't install new kernels.  I have problems to upgrade amarok from 1.4.1 to 1.4.3. The reason is that libvisual-plugins are only available in version 0.2 while amarok 1.4.3 requires libvisual0.4-plugins.
[03:18] <kaffeine> mortice  sory next time  i wil pastebin right i got it from one friend i need to ask where he did got it but i think from ubuntus home page
[03:18] <Xanith> Hey I followed that howto but it says Unknown Partition Type...
[03:18] <jprenaud> anybody updated flashplugin-nonfree recently? i have a problem.
[03:18] <ninniuz> mneisen: I compiled it myself and it is working
[03:18] <Mortice> kaffeine: well, 2.6.15-27 isn't in any of the repositories, so you'll have difficulties getting headers for it easily. Is there any reason why you can't get 2.6.15-26?
[03:18] <ninniuz> me too jprenaud
[03:18] <Zvezdichko> jprenaud, downloaded it today, it's ok
[03:18] <ninniuz> there must be something wrong in the package
[03:19] <ninniuz> dpkg exists with an error
[03:19] <mneisen> ninniuz: could you give a short howto?
[03:19] <jprenaud> it looks like like rc-update.d is not called properly
[03:19] <Mortice> Xanith: Unknown Partition Type what?
[03:19] <ninniuz> yes jprenaud the same here
[03:20] <ninniuz> mneisen: what kind of distro are u using?
[03:20] <Xanith> i did the chain loading or whatever in grub like the howto told me to
[03:21] <Xanith> i changed it to root (hd 1,0)...
[03:21] <Xanith> and it says Unknown Partition Type
[03:21] <Xanith> which the partition type is NTFS
[03:21] <jprenaud> ninniuz:  any idea how to sort this out?
[03:21] <Mortice> Xanith: probably best to pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <mneisen> ninniuz: I use kubuntu 6.06.
[03:22] <Xanith> k just a sec
[03:22] <ninniuz> jprenaud: not yet...we should probably check the package and the install scripts
[03:22] <ninniuz> mneisen: couldnt u just update your sources.list and apt-get amarok?
[03:23] <jprenaud> ninniuz: first time i've had a problem with apt-get, no idea where to start. what is update-rc.d called from?
[03:23] <Satafterh> whats the opengl desktop called? I hope someone knows what i meen
[03:24] <Xanith> http://pastebin.com/790529
[03:24] <ninniuz> jprenaud: it is called from a script in the package...let me try and figure it out
[03:24] <ninniuz> Satafterh: are you talking about the windows manager? compiz? cgwd? the x server xgl?
 yes thank you
[03:25] <Satafterh> xgl
[03:25] <Satafterh> is that or something like it going to be part of the next release?
[03:26] <Mortice> Xanith: that looks right to me. is your windows partition accessed via /dev/hdb1?
[03:26] <tom__> dual core owns :)
[03:26] <Mortice> tom__: got the right kernel going now? :)
[03:26] <Satafterh> i wish i could aford dual core
[03:26] <tom__> yes Mortice thank u
[03:26] <ninniuz> Satafterh: I just switched back from xgl to xorg
[03:26] <Mortice> good stuff :)
[03:27] <ninniuz> and I have core a dual core processor
[03:27] <Xanith> Mortice: no it's /dev/sdb1
[03:27] <ninniuz> it got to slow after a while
[03:27] <ninniuz> too
[03:27] <Xanith> Mortice: it's a SATA hd...
 why you switch
[03:27] <Mortice> Xanith: ah, that should be ok anyway.
[03:27] <ninniuz> cause after a day it was on it was utterly impossible to control my system anymore
[03:27] <Mortice> Xanith: I'm afraid I'm not a grub expert, by any means. You might try asking in #ubuntu...
[03:27] <tom__> lol
[03:28] <Satafterh> i wonder how long it will be befor dual core is a must have
[03:28] <jprenaud> ninniuz: just noticed the package is from dapper backports...
[03:28] <tom__> aaww webmin cant be gotten thru apt-get
[03:29] <ninniuz> jprenaud: isnt it from multiverse?
[03:29] <CroX> I'm having trouble getting my WLAN connection to work
[03:29] <ninniuz> what's the problem CroX?
[03:29] <manu__> alguien sabe algun repositorio para ubuntu de xpde
[03:30] <CroX> ninniuz: It just wont work :P
[03:30] <ninniuz> lol
[03:30] <CroX> ninniuz: I set it up as it should be, methinks, and used ath0 for routing. But alas, nothing
[03:30] <mneisen> ninniuz: I did apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade. 2 packages - amarok and amarok-xine - are hold back due to libvisual-plugins.
[03:30] <GnarusLeo> If I want to have controll over appointments, birthdays and such in kubuntu, and as well sync this to my k610i cellphone ... wich will be the best way?
[03:31] <ninniuz> mneisen: cant you upgrade libvisual as well? I installe 0.40
[03:31] <emonkey-p> !kmobiletools afaik
[03:31] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 820 kB
[03:31] <CroX> ninniuz: Think you could help me out?
[03:32] <ninniuz> CroX: you have to tell a bit more
[03:32] <CroX> ninniuz: What do you need to know?
[03:32] <jprenaud> ninniuz:  multiverse "component" from the backport "pocket" https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree
[03:32] <dennister> hi all
[03:33] <dennister> anyone awake and present?
[03:33] <ninniuz> mmmmmm
[03:33] <Mortice> plenty of people
[03:33] <kaffeine>  mortice  yes its from ubuntus home page can i use kerne.org sources
[03:33] <dennister> great! was pretty quiet in terms of dialog
[03:33] <ninniuz> CroX: router? access point? static ip or dhcp? what kind of tools are you using?
[03:33] <Mortice> kaffeine: why not just apt-get install kernel-image-386?
[03:34] <_christian_> sb here?
[03:34] <CroX> ninniuz: One moment
[03:34] <dennister> anyone know how to fix a mysql installation? have no mysqld file(s), mysqld_safe doesn't work...think there's a pre-existing socket problem
[03:34] <kaffeine> mortice: yea i try
[03:34] <llxcamxll> can you get dvd's to work in kaffeine?
[03:34] <Mortice> sorry, i mean linux-image-386
[03:35] <Ash-Fox> dennister, install it?
[03:35] <Mortice> !dvd
[03:35] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:35] <llxcamxll> k
[03:35] <dennister> ash-fox: i did install it, but it can't start, error message is about the mysqld.sock, and that's missing from the appropriate directory
[03:36] <dennister> and there was that socket pointing to a tmp directory prior
[03:37] <Ash-Fox> dennister, you installed mysql-server package, correct?
[03:37] <dennister> yes, from synaptic
[03:37] <kaffeine>  mortice yes to my home computer dvd work but  i haven try in my working place
[03:37] <Ash-Fox> dennister, mysql-client and mysql-admin too?
[03:37] <dennister> yes
[03:38] <kaffeine>   sory mortice wrong guy
[03:39] <Ash-Fox> dennister, I'm testing, give me a moment :)
[03:39] <dennister> hold on: no, mysqladmin is not showing...let me fix
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> dennister, do the following after it's installed: cd /usr, sudo ./bin/mysql_install_db --user=mysql,
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> sudo mysql -u root
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> (Last command sets the root password)
[03:41] <Mortice> erm. logging in to mysql as root when there's no password set won't set the root password
[03:41] <Mortice> you need to do that within the mysql console
[03:41] <shegman> erm. i installed kubuntu all on one partition. then i edited /etc/fstab so a partition with /home from an suse installation is mounted into the sytem. now my clock is gone :) how can i get it back?
[03:42] <mneisen> ninniuz: no, there is no libvisual newer than 0.2 in my sources.
[03:42] <Mortice> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root@localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword');
[03:42] <ninniuz> :O
[03:42] <Ash-Fox> shegman, unlock your panel, then add the clock applet
[03:42] <ninniuz> wait
[03:44] <llxcamxll_> !dvd
[03:44] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:44] <kaffeine>  mortice is this finnish kubuntu a litle deficient it only found 2.4.... images and headers
[03:44] <shegman> Ash-Fox. sure. how stupid. thanks :)
[03:44] <ninniuz> mneisen: I dont remember if I downloaded and installed myself...
[03:44] <Mortice> kaffeine: that's a little odd. I don't know. let me see if there's a finnish channel.
[03:45] <mneisen> ninniuz: where would i do that
[03:45] <mneisen> ?
[03:45] <Mortice> !fi
[03:45] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[03:45] <Mortice> there you go :)
[03:45] <Ptit_Nico> Hello all :)
[03:45] <Ptit_Nico> All apologies for my english, i'm french
[03:46] <Mortice> hi Ptit_Nico :)
[03:46] <Ptit_Nico> i have a tiny question
[03:46] <orizont> gfhhj
[03:46] <Mortice> if we can't help you, try vvv
[03:46] <Mortice> !fr
[03:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:46] <Ptit_Nico> Hello Mortice
[03:46] <kaffeine> mortice thanks i allready found it
[03:46] <Mortice> but we'll try anyway
[03:46] <ninniuz> mneisen: but I really don't think I did...have u got the universe repos on?
[03:46] <dennister> mortice: can't get to the sql console
[03:46] <Mortice> dennister: "mysql -u root -p" should get you there
[03:46] <Ash-Fox> If anyone is expirencing loss of e-mail from yahoo, it could be that stupid ad they're appending to the end of e-mails: All New Yahoo! Mail  Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.
[03:46] <sudhi> please any body help me to install firefox......... i tried...... but can't
[03:46] <Mortice> if mysql-server is installed and running, that is
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> well, i come from Kubuntu Fr but nobody can help me
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> so i try my question here
[03:47] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: like i say, we'll try in here :)
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> ...if it s possible
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> ok great ^^
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> so
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> kubuntu 6.06.1 KDE 3.5.4
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> my trash is the bar near to the clock
[03:48] <Mortice> yes, that's right
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> i wanted an icon on desktop, so i made a link on my desktop
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> it work good
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> but
[03:49] <dennister> mortice: k, ur command resulted in new prompt for a password; when I did this before (different installation) i remember there was supposed to be 2 accounts, one superuser with a name, and then a less-priviledged one
[03:49] <Ptit_Nico> the icon is always the trash empty even tjhe trash is full
[03:49] <CroX_> ninniuz: It's working alright now, thanks anyway
[03:49] <Ptit_Nico> see ?
[03:49] <mneisen> ninniuz: http://pastebin.com/790541
[03:49] <ninniuz> mneisen : try and add this source to your repos - deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper amarok
[03:50] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: ah, ok. let me just see if i can reproduce that on a different kde version.
[03:50] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : ok thxs for helping
[03:50] <TheGateKeeper> sudhi: apt-get install firefox
[03:50] <dennister> which password and account am i setting up now?, since it's asking me for this password?
[03:50] <Mortice> dennister: that'll be the root password
[03:51] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: yea, it will always do that. there must be a way around it, let me do a web search
[03:51] <dennister> my usual root password?
[03:51] <dennister> can't be, cause i'm already in root
[03:51] <Mortice> dennister: the mysql root user is different from the system root user
[03:51] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : Google didn't help me... :-/
[03:52] <ninniuz> mneisen: nop I didnt get my libvisual from there
[03:52] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: found it, i'll tell you what to do in PM
[03:52] <dennister> exactly...k, setting up the superuser password
[03:52] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : wow    O_o  THXS
[03:54] <mneisen> ninniuz: hmmm, now what?
[03:55] <ninniuz> just a sec
[03:56] <mneisen> ok ... didnt want to hurry ... :-)
[03:56] <ninniuz> of course you tried something like apt-get install libvisual-0.40-plugins right?
[03:57] <ninniuz> I meant apt-get install libvisual-0.4-plugins
[03:57] <Tenkawa> Anyone running the new edgy knot 3 yet?
[03:57] <Tenkawa> opinions?
[03:58] <Tenkawa> going to test it on x86 and ppc tonight
[03:58] <dennister> mortice: still having trouble setting root password...use the command and substited a new one for MyNewPassword, and error message is a 'syntax error near unexpected token '('
[03:59] <ninniuz> mneisen: I installed libvisual-0.4-plugins from imbrandon repos...but they are not there anymore :(
[03:59] <mneisen> Reading package lists... Done
[03:59] <mneisen> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:59] <mneisen> Package libvisual-0.4-plugins is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:59] <mneisen> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:59] <mneisen> is only available from another source
[03:59] <mneisen> E: Package libvisual-0.4-plugins has no installation candidate
[03:59] <mneisen> ok, so i am not the only one missing them.
[04:00] <Jucato_> ninniuz, mneisen: try the dapper-backports?
[04:01] <ninniuz> yups you're right
[04:01] <ninniuz> but it seems libvisual-0.4-plugins is not there either
[04:02] <dennister> I also still don't know if mysql is up and running yet
[04:02] <Jucato_> hm... hold on...
[04:03] <seanOne> The libvisual 4 is there but the libvisual-plugins is only version 0.2
[04:03] <ninniuz> yes
[04:04] <ninniuz> I dont know what amarok needs...if it is just the header files or plugins as well (I suppose it does)
[04:04] <Jucato_> ninniuz: how about the kubuntu.org repo
[04:05] <mneisen> Jucato: I have it in my sources.list - nada.
[04:05] <ninniuz> Jucato_: lets check
[04:05] <seanOne> http://www.localhost.nl/~synap/libvisual-wiki/index.php/Libvisual_0.4.0
[04:05] <seanOne> didn't shine much light on the problem
[04:05] <ninniuz> not there either
[04:06] <Jucato_> btw, what version of amarok?
[04:06] <ninniuz> 1.4.3
[04:06] <ninniuz> I could install it cause I got libvisual-0.4 from imbrandon repos some time ago
[04:06] <dennister> mortice?
[04:07] <Jucato_> hm... it seems to be in the amarok 1.4.2 repository
[04:07] <Mortice> dennister: you need to read some howtos, i think
[04:07] <ninniuz> lol you're right
[04:07] <Mortice> dennister: i could help you every step of the way, but reading the documentation would be a lot quicker.
[04:08] <seanOne> What's the 1.4.2 repo addy pls?
[04:08] <dennister> i've been reading and searching for hours
[04:08] <Dannilion> Adept crashed and now I can't use anything apt. Does anyone know the command to unlock it?
[04:08] <ninniuz> mneisen: just add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-142 dapper main to your repositories
[04:08] <ninniuz> then get libvisual
[04:08] <ninniuz> and change that line to amarok-latest and get Amarok 1.4.3
[04:08] <dennister> they commands don't usually work for me...they're usually for another dist, or version, or some different environment
[04:09] <Mortice> dennister: have you read what's in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server?
[04:09] <dennister> yes, that's familiar to me...looked for that doc specifically
[04:10] <Mortice> i don't understand how you can have read all these documents and not know how to check the status of the mysql service. :/
[04:10] <seanOne> I already had "http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143 dapper main" to no avail
[04:11] <dennister> I would follow the commands, and get the error, especially about checking the mysqld directory for the mysqld.sock; it's still missing
[04:11] <ninniuz> seanOne: what?
[04:12] <Jucato_> so here's what you could do: add the amarok-142 repos so that you could install libvisual-0.4-plugins
[04:12] <dennister> but i realize this is a pain, holding my hand every step of the way, so let me try once again, now that *something* worked
[04:13] <seanOne> I said I already had the 1.4.3 repos set up, maybe the 1.4.2 ones will do the job although adept just crashed.
[04:14] <Dannilion> adept just crashed for me, too
[04:14] <Jucato> hm...
[04:14] <Jucato> I just noticed there were new updates...
[04:15] <Jucato> hm... the flashplugin update?
[04:15] <seanOne> reboot time, just like windows
[04:15] <Jucato> oh well, here goes everything :P
[04:15] <Jucato> seanOne: why?
[04:15] <mneisen> ninniuz: I found another way: simply fixing one shortcoming of my sources.list! I added dapper-backports, now everything is fine.
[04:16] <mneisen> ninniuz: thank you very much for3 your help.
[04:16] <Dannilion> The flashplugin update hasn't worked for about 24 hours here
[04:16] <Jucato> btw, they're fixing the libvisual-0.4-plugin/dapper-backports plugin as we speak
[04:16] <Dannilion> oh, good :)
[04:17] <Dannilion> What happened to make you go off flash?
[04:17] <ninniuz> good :)
[04:17] <Jucato> I dunno...
[04:17] <ninniuz> Jucato: having problems with flashplugin as well?
[04:17] <Jucato> I just stopped...
[04:18] <Jucato> well, Adept couldn't install it, trying the konsole
[04:18] <Dannilion> ninniuz: I think a few people are having problems with flashplugin
[04:18] <Jucato> ah yes, couldn't install
[04:18] <ninniuz> yes
[04:18] <Dannilion> I couldn't get it to work in adept, synaptic, or the konsole
[04:18] <ninniuz> I have found a patch
[04:18] <ninniuz> trying it
[04:18] <Jucato> heh..
[04:18] <Dannilion> where's the patch (if it works?)
[04:21] <ninniuz> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3434251/update-flashplugin.patch
[04:22] <Jucato> ninniuz: whom did it come from?
[04:24] <ninniuz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/52237
[04:25] <Jucato> ok, why in the world did that not come up in my search?
[04:25] <ninniuz> dunno
[04:25] <ninniuz> the problem is I STILL dont know how to make a deb file :)
[04:26] <Jucato> :)
[04:26] <Hawkwind> ninniuz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[04:26] <Hawkwind> ninniuz: Takes less than 10 minutes :)
[04:26] <Jucato> ninniuz: it's not the same bug
[04:27] <ninniuz> are you sure? I just checked that file and it still has got negative return values and those symlinks
[04:28] <Jucato> ninniuz: are your error messages similar to those on bug 52237?
[04:29] <ninniuz> err actually they are not :p
[04:30] <Jucato> bug 61404 and 61444 are the correct ones
[04:30] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/61404
[04:34] <ninniuz> the fact is I dont know what's calling update-rc
[04:36] <erik_> hi all :
[04:36] <erik_> :)
[04:36] <Mortice> hello :)
[04:37] <erik_> i just downloaded a apple theme for KDE, but now i want to apply it....
[04:37] <erik_> how do i do that/
[04:37] <zorglu_> q. i would like to change the mimetype handling in firefox, any suggestion ? when i download with .m3u, it launch me .vlc, i would like it to run amarok.
[04:38] <Hawkwind> erik_: Look in kcontrol under Look & Feel there should be a place there for themes and other stuff
[04:39] <tom__> can anyone tell me what i need to install to get stdio.h time.h ctype.h sys/types.h and string.h
[04:40] <ninniuz> this is the standard c lib dev files
[04:40] <Mortice> tom__: should be installed with gcc. sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:40] <seanOne> Amarok 1.4.3 says it needs libvisual 0.4.0 and libvisual plugin 0.4.0 the libvisual 0.4.0 is available from the repos but the plugin is only version 0.2.0 and it don't go. Anyone propose a solution?
[04:40] <tom__> ok lemme trry
[04:41] <ninniuz> seanOne: get them from the amarok 1.4.2 repos
[04:41] <erik_> yeah the look and feel is there, only the apple them isnt there
[04:41] <seanOne> Nope, doesn't work
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: It's being fixed as we speak
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: For now, you can add the 1.4.2 repo to get the libvisual stuff until they get put into the 1.4.3 repo
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: It worked here perfectly without a problem
[04:42] <seanOne> Kewl, always like hawkwind mind you, Michael Moorcock is a personal hero <g>
[04:42] <Jucato> seanOne: their fixing it right now, don't know when it will be uploaded to dapper-backports, though
[04:44] <tom__> woot thanks Mort
[04:44] <tom__> lol
[04:45] <okto> hello all...how do you get rid of google search plugin feature in konq while in the kubuntu file manager profile? i can only get rid of it for konq with kubuntu web profile
[04:47] <seanOne> Well I dunno how you can have the handle Hawkwind and not know who Mr. Moorcock is, Dancers at the end of time etc.
[04:47] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moorcock <- i didnt knew either :)
[04:47] <seanOne> OKay then the amarok 1.4.2 repo works but the 1.4.3 one doesn't, tcha.
[04:47] <seanOne> Cheers for the assist
[04:47] <Hawkwind> seanOne: The nick Hawkwind doesn't come from a book or the band actually.  It comes from the RPG game series called Ultima that started in 1980 and is still around today
[04:48] <Jucato> okto: it shouldn't be there at all. are you sure that it's the Google search you're seeing and not the filter search?
[04:48] <Hawkwind> One of these days the band will let Hawkwind.com drop and I'll claim it and make myself famous and explain the story :)
[04:50] <okto> Jucato: hmmmm, my mistake... it is indeed the filter search...lol...thank you for point that out
[04:50] <Mortice> Hawkwind: knowing the shenanigans that have gone on over the hawkwind name amongst former band members in the past, I doubt the domain name will ever be available.
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Mortice: True.  I can only hope, pray and wish that one day it'll happen
[04:51] <Mortice> heh
[04:52] <Mortice> i only hope that the rest of the band now playing as space ritual one day see some royalty payments for silver machine.
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Though I've only ever heard one Hawkwind song.  Not my type of music at all so I wish they'd let the domain go even moreso :)
[04:52] <seanOne> What about dniwkwaH.com?
[04:52] <nabil> what do you think of porting kubuntu to playstation 3
[04:52] <seanOne> Worked for me nilbuD.com was a lot easier to get than Dublin.com
[04:53] <Tallen> hiya. Hoping someone has found a fix for the 'apt-get update' Python-apt issue? I am using Edgy, Knot 3.
[04:53] <Mortice> tallen; u
[04:53] <Mortice> Tallen: #ubuntu+1 is the place for you :)
[04:54] <Tallen> ah sorry I shall scuttle on then
[04:54] <Hawkwind> seanOne: I've thought about that, just not the same unfortunately.  I've used this nick since 1984 so I'd really like to have the actual hawkwind.com domain name.  Though I'd be happy with .net or .org a bit as well
[04:54] <Jucato> Tallen: well, there are updates almost everyday. :)
[04:54] <gemidjy> digikam 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu3 scans very slowly the collection, and after 10% it crashes
[04:55] <gemidjy> any newer version than this ?
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> i'm reading email msgs in a mbx file and want to grab the contents and print them as simple ascii, can anyone point me to an example (e.g., "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252")
[04:58] <seanOne> http://h.awkwind.com would be available, damn adept has blown itself to bits
[05:00] <DeadS0ul> kopete isn't connecting to msn again =(
[05:01] <tom__> does anyone know of a good way to set up automatic backups for the users on my linux box
[05:01] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: connected here... probably a problem from the MS side
[05:01] <DeadS0ul> meh
[05:01] <DeadS0ul> it's been doing that a lot lately
[05:02] <Jucato> I've heard that GAIM on Windows has been suffering similarly
[05:02] <tom__> gaim on windows sucks
[05:02] <DeadS0ul> meh it might be my god damn version 5 linksys router that I had to buy
[05:02] <seanOne> Tom_ use keep
[05:02] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: nah, I've also had problems the past days
[05:03] <DeadS0ul> =\
[05:03] <tom__> sean i ment for automatic cron on all my users
[05:03] <tom__> i host muds for people
[05:03] <tom__> keep wont work i just tried it
[05:04] <Skrot> !codecs
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:33] <foodcoman> Greetings.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Moo!
[05:35] <karim_> hey
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> "I come from the planet Larson, on the Far Side of the Galaxy"
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:35] <karim_> i waNNA play my mp3s
[05:35] <karim_> what player should i use??
[05:35] <banym> i too
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> So play them! :P
[05:35] <jackle> amarok
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> i use xmms mainly
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> !mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:36] <karim_> it won't play'em
[05:36] <karim_> it keeps whisteling
[05:36] <jackle> amarok will eaven install mp3 support for u in kubuntu
[05:36] <banym> but amarok dont play mp3 for me anymore
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> install the mp3 thangs. :P
[05:36] <karim_> dr willis r u talkin 4 real or just kiddin??
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Theres several support packages to get mp3 support in different players
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> blame it on the lawyers I guess.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking xmms had it allready built in.  or perhaps its just one of the first things i normally install.
[05:37] <jackle> The thing I like the most is song previews in konqueror when I hover my mouse over them
[05:38] <jackle> Dr_Willis: its one of those things we all install be default
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> just updated to     edgy... xmms aint even starting now. :P
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> I think his new ALbum is due out like.. in the next day or 2
[05:43] <karim_> isn't there any babes out there in dis chat room or its all linux nerds????
[05:44] <banym> why now amarok says void-engine isnt able to play mp3
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> karim_,  they all hang in #debian
[05:44] <DeadS0ul> yeah debian has the hottest chicks
[05:44] <Jucato> heh
[05:44] <karim_> how can i get there?
[05:44] <DeadS0ul> banym change amarok's backend to xine
[05:45] <karim_> should i switch from kubunto 2 debian????
[05:45] <karim_> lol
[05:45] <Pensacola> kpdf won't print my pdf files :s
[05:46] <banym> DeadS0ul: i did now hes jumping through the playlist but dont play
[05:46] <DeadS0ul> ...try arts?
[05:46] <Mortice> banym: what are you trying to play? amarok does that when it can't read the files properly.
[05:46] <banym> i dont like arts and it did work a few day ago
[05:47] <banym> only thing i did on my notebook was updating an it looks like something goes wrong
[05:47] <jackle>   use gstreamer/xine/real ?
[05:47] <DeadS0ul> yeah =\
[05:48] <Mortice> banym: what did you update, and what are you trying to play?
[05:48] <Jucato> grr.. why doesn't KNotes raise Kontact if Kontact is already running, like what KMail and Akregator and KOrganizer do! bleh
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> !info gdesklets
[05:48] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 465 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[05:49] <Pensacola> superkaramba is better in my opinion :)
[05:49] <Pensacola> !info superkaramba
[05:49] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 504 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[05:49] <Pensacola> how can I get KPDF to print my files?
[05:50] <Mortice> Pensacola: is printing working using other programs?
[05:50] <Pensacola> it works in office yes
[05:50] <Mortice> Pensacola: openoffice?
[05:50] <Pensacola> jep
[05:51] <Mortice> well, in kpdf's print window, you should be able to change the printer you're printing to
[05:51] <soulrider> hi everyone!
[05:51] <Pensacola> yeah, it's set to the same printer as openoffice
[05:52] <Mortice> and what happens when you try to print?
[05:52] <jackle> what is the defult runlevel for kubuntu?
[05:52] <Pensacola> it sends it to the printer, and than kjobviewer shows an error at the print job
[05:52] <Jucato> runlevel 2 afaik
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> jackle, 2 i think
[05:52] <banym> mhm my xine is no longer able do play mp3 what the hell goes on
[05:52] <jackle> tx
[05:53] <reagleBRKLN> content = part.get_payload().encode(charset) --> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 346: ordinal not in range(128)
[05:53] <reagleBRKLN> isn't encode supposed to return a "plain" string according to the charset?
[05:53] <Jucato> ooh I guessed correctly
[05:53] <Mortice> Pensacola: what error? does the printer itself have a display for errors?
[05:54] <skreet> Anyone know what the expected release date of KDE 4.0 is?
[05:54] <reagleBRKLN> e.g., windows-1252
[05:54] <Pensacola> nope, it doesn't do anything
[05:54] <reagleBRKLN> crud, wrong window
[05:54] <Mortice> Pensacola: ok, so what does the error say in kjobviewer?
[05:55] <Pensacola> nothing, just error
[05:55] <Mortice> hmm
[05:55] <Mortice> and this is the same for all kde programs?
[05:56] <Pensacola> with kpdf and the other pdf viewer in kde yes
[05:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:56] <Pensacola> haven't tried others yet
[05:56] <Mortice> try others, see if it's a kde problem or a problem with kde pdf viewers
[05:56] <Mortice> i need to go, i'm afraid.
[05:56] <psb154> Pensacola, mortice, perhaps its a printer driver v pdf problem.
[05:57] <Pensacola> :s
[05:58] <psb154> Pens, what printer is it and is it networked or directly connected?
[05:58] <psb154> or is it mortice...
[05:58] <Pensacola> hp psc 1417 usb
[05:59] <Pensacola> directjy connected
[06:01] <psb154> Pens, when you open system settings > Printers do you see 1417 listed on the first page
[06:01] <Pensacola> yes
[06:02] <psb154> if you right click it click configure at the top, what does the first item say?
[06:03] <psb154> Pens?
[06:03] <Pensacola> working on it :)
[06:05] <soulrider> hey, does anyone know a CLI web browser?
[06:05] <Dannilion> w3m
[06:05] <|lostbyte|> soulrider, lynx
[06:05] <soulrider> thanks =)
[06:05] <UQlev> soulrider: links also
[06:06] <banym> lol amarok is able to play mpc but not mp3
[06:06] <Pensacola> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Pensacola/printer.jpg
[06:06] <soulrider> banym: you gotta install support for mp3
[06:06] <banym> soulrider: how ?
[06:07] <banym> soulrider: i already heard mp3 but now since today mp3 doesnt work anymore, i think some update did kill me my mp3 support or do you have an other idea
[06:08] <psb154> Pens... take a look at http://linuxprinting.org
[06:08] <psb154> they have a driver for the PP PSC 1400
[06:09] <psb154> pp = hp
[06:09] <psb154> I use there drivers for my old printers and they always work well including printing PDF :-) just a suggestion though.
[06:09] <psb154> there = their
[06:11] <psb154> Pens: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1400
[06:12] <psb154> Pens if you were to use this driver you would download the PPD.
[06:12] <simp> hello i have a problem with the mp3 support.. just did all the stuff from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for kubuntu but nothing worked
[06:12] <simp> amarok still keeps skipping files
[06:13] <psb154> Pens set up another printer as you did before but select the PPD file as the printer driver when prompted.
[06:13] <banym> simp: i have the same problem
[06:13] <abattoir> !repos
[06:13] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:13] <banym> simp: mpc files are still able to play but mp3 support doesnt work
[06:14] <warpzone> banym: sorry, I just poked my head in, but did you enable restricted formats?
[06:14] <simp> yes i did
[06:14] <Pensacola> ok working on it
[06:14] <simp> some guy from hungary helped me last time
[06:15] <banym> warpzone: where do i have to enable it ?
[06:15] <simp> he's english was poor but he knew how to get it working
[06:15] <warpzone> banym: here lemme show you the link, very handy, one sec
[06:16] <banym> warpzone: o.k no problem, but it did work a few day ago just one update, i think, killes my mp3 support
[06:16] <warpzone> banym: oh okie, hmmm
[06:16] <tolkan> hey all, looking how to update my python packages in ubuntu.  Trying to add the package python-gtk2, but my application i need to use is not seeing the GTK2 bidnings, any help?
[06:16] <warpzone> banym: may have to reinstall the xine codecs
[06:17] <Jucato> !sound > Jucato
[06:17] <banym> warpzone: i did this just a few minutes ago but the same sh...
[06:18] <abattoir> !autorun
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <warpzone> banym: hmm... have you tried a purge and reinstall of amarok? it might work if nothing else does
[06:18] <tolkan> !python
[06:18] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 532 kB
[06:18] <Pensacola> I have no idea how to add the printer with the ppd file :s
[06:18] <tolkan> grrr... thats not too helpful :(
[06:18] <banym> warpzone: i reinstalled amarok too no change
[06:19] <psb154> Pens, from system settings add a printer.
[06:19] <Pensacola> brb
[06:19] <Makro___> why amarok..use xmms
[06:19] <warpzone> Makro___: whaaaaaaat?
[06:19] <warpzone> Makro___: have you used amarok before?
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Some people like amarok and enjoy having a choice
[06:20] <banym> was there an update of xinelibs ?
[06:20] <Makro___> warpzone: of course..and i uninstall it, because it didn t work
[06:20] <RogueX> Hello everyone
[06:20] <Dannilion> Makro___: xmms is ugly- even when skinned :P
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, amarok organizes your collection better imo
[06:20] <warpzone> banym: I'm going to poke around the forums for a sec, see if I find anything about an update messing with amarok
[06:20] <Makro___> now i use xmms and everything is fine
[06:20] <RogueX> Can someone help me with an Adept problem?
[06:21] <tolkan> does anyone know what would cause this problem with python-gtk2?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24109
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I wasn't downing either.  Makro___ said to use xmms and I was making a point that users like to have a choice of what they want to use
[06:21] <Makro___> dannillon: is not ugly, and, i want something that works,
[06:21] <tolkan> RogueX: whats the problem?
[06:21] <Jucato> RogueX: what is it?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I know what amarok does and is capable of :)
[06:22] <RogueX> Adept will only start in read mode.  It says something else is using it.  But I dont have anything else running.
[06:22] <warpzone> If i was going to use xmms I would at least use bmp
[06:22] <Makro___> what is problem with xmms is like winamp, and amarok remember me windows media player
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Why ? bmp isn't maintained anymore
[06:22] <Jucato> RogueX: try entering "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in Konsole
[06:22] <furlongm> hi
[06:23] <tolkan> Jucato: do you know anything about python implementation in ubuntu?
[06:23] <furlongm> anyone know if there is a command line tool for setting up X in kubuntu?
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Makro___, xmms is supposed to be very much like winamp
[06:23] <Jucato> tolkan: no. sorry.
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !info xmms
[06:23] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[06:23] <Hawkwind> Makro___: That's what is so good about linux, it's all about the user having many choices
[06:23] <warpzone> Hawkwind: o didn't know that :-P
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> oh it doesn't have a descripiten
[06:23] <Jucato> !xmms
[06:23] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:23] <Hawkwind> warpzone: Hence audacity now
[06:23] <Makro___> Hawkind: yep
[06:25] <RogueX> Jucato: Got and error "flashplugin-nonfree"
[06:25] <Jucato> RogueX: you recently performed an update?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> RogueX: They are working on the fix.  Should be updated soon
[06:26] <RogueX> Jucato: yes and that was one of them
[06:26] <RogueX> Hawkwind: Thanks...
[06:26] <Jucato> the flashplugin-nonfree update is broken, you can use this command to downgrade to the last working version: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[06:26] <warpzone> banym: good and bad news
[06:27] <warpzone> banym: good news, you aren't the only person with this problem
[06:27] <warpzone> banym: bad news, I can't find a solution yet :-P
[06:27] <RogueX> Jucato: Got the error  "Unable to lock the adiminstration directory"
[06:27] <banym> warpzone: o.k then i think its the problem of the xine engine
[06:28] <RogueX> Jucato: Never mind.. lol for got to go to root
[06:28] <banym> because xine-ui isnt able to play mp3 too
[06:28] <warpzone> banym: yeah it happened with the update to the restricted formats
[06:28] <warpzone> banym: have you tried removing and reinstalling the xine stuff?
[06:28] <banym> yes
[06:29] <RogueX> Jucato: Thanks that got it
[06:29] <Jucato> np
[06:29] <banym> same problem so i think i have to wait an hear slayer - god hates us all
[06:31] <warpzone> banym: okay found something that might help
[06:31] <furlongm> hi again, trying to set up machines for akademy here, setting up kubuntu
[06:31] <furlongm> X isn't working on any machine
[06:31] <warpzone> banym: you've got to downgrade back to the previous version
[06:31] <furlongm> even with vesa driver in xorg.conf
[06:32] <furlongm> not familiar with kubuntu, so would anyone know if there's a command line tool for debian/kubuntu for setting up a working xorg.conf?
[06:32] <warpzone> furlongm: there is, I need to look it up though, one sec
[06:32] <furlongm> like sax in suse
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> furlongm, did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:33] <warpzone> ooo hey thats it :-P
[06:33] <banym> warpzone: and how can i load the old version
[06:33] <furlongm> Admiral_Chicago: thank you! :)
[06:33] <furlongm> will try that
[06:33] <furlongm> back in a bit
[06:33] <warpzone> banym: now -thats- a good question. anybody here more knowledgable know how to install and earlier version of xine?
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> furlongm, just follow the regular options, X does a good job of auto recognizing
[06:34] <snpz> hi everybody
[06:34] <gemidjy> I need 0.8.2 or 0.9beta2 Digikam for Kubuntu, package ?
[06:34] <snpz> i have question about Kubuntu on laptops
[06:34] <snpz> i have HP NX6310
[06:35] <snpz> installed everything
[06:35] <snpz> but everything is so HUGE
[06:35] <snpz> resolution is 1024x768
[06:35] <snpz> it's the best this model can manage
[06:36] <snpz> but under xp everything was smaller
[06:36] <warpzone> banym: trying to look it up, one more sec
[06:36] <uwo> hi all - sth is blocking my audio (xine was unable to initialise audio drivers) - how do i find out what and kill it?
[06:36] <snpz> there could be any problems with graphics drivers?
[06:37] <banym> warpzone: o.k thx for help i will search a package now
[06:37] <warpzone> banym: ah! open adept
[06:37] <warpzone> banym: when you install xine, there should be an option to force a particular version
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> gemidjy, should be digikam
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> snpz, system settings
[06:42] <warpzone> banym: sorry man I can't find anything, I'm going to look at how to force old versions, I think on e of my GTK libs on screwed and its giving me problems
[06:42] <warpzone> banym: I'll let you know if I find anything
[06:42] <furlongm> Admiral_Chicago: tells me xorg-xserver is not installed
[06:43] <furlongm> the auto-detect detects the intel card, and out of 48 machines kdm shows up on about 10
[06:43] <furlongm> on the other ones, kdm and X are running but the screen is blank
[06:44] <warpzone> furlongm: the admiral left. I wish I could help but its out of my league, never worked with that before
[06:47] <banym> warpzone: o.k thx
[06:55] <D4rkly> hi i have a amd x2, which kernel should i be using with kubuntu(i386) 2.6.15-27-386, 686 or k7 ?
[06:59] <D4rkly> should i use the 686 or k7 kernel with my amd dual core ?
[07:01] <drayen__>  hey all, i've got a kubuntu install and im trying to forward connections on 8080 to localport 80 - i've tried "sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d <IP_ADDRESS> --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 80" but i the connection still gets rejected.. am i missing anything?
[07:11] <JFreakCapo> hello, how change my default mail program evolution for thunderbird in gnome?
[07:11] <joscha> ask in #ubuntu
[07:12] <JFreakCapo> joscha: thks
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: have you also got port 80 traffic allowed?
[07:12] <JGTC> if yo do not have it ,you cannot connect to anywhere!
[07:13] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: yes - the localwebsever works as expected
[07:13] <echo1> Question: Is it possible  (and if so, how difficlut) to have two sets of vid drivers.  I have a laptop so the fglrx drivers break my standby/hibernate.  But at the same time I would like to play games (only when I'm plugged in etc).   Can  I enable/disable the two drivers at my will?
[07:14] <tolkan> is anyone knowledgeble on the topic of python-central package?
[07:14] <tolkan> !info python-central
[07:14] <echo1> and what would be the ebst way to pull this off
[07:14] <ubotu> Package python-central does not exist in any distro I know
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: might check for other rules that might be interfering, I've done that kind of thing many times and your rule above looks fine.
[07:15] <TunaTom> echo1: I have two devie-sections in my xorg.conf and whenever an update breaks my binary nvidia, i can simply drop back to nv by changing one line
[07:15] <tolkan> echo1: Yes you can you'll have to configure your xorg.conf file and change around the driver each time
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> echo1: the newest drivers allow suspend to ram, haven't tried hibernate, but I suspect that works too.
[07:15] <tolkan> echo1:  i'm sure you can pull off a script to do it for you.  and attach that to the event that you plug in.  but either way you will have to restart X to change drivers
[07:15] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: yeah i've dont it too on routers... but i dont get why its not working when done locally on kubunbtu
[07:15] <echo1> LeeJunFan: i tried, didn't workout well
[07:16] <echo1> tolkan: ok, so the fglrx driver install does *not* uninstall the open radeon driver.  So just to confirm: I need to setup two drivers in xorg.conf and simply comment one out and comment the other in and ctrl + alt + backspace?
[07:17] <JGTC> People, how do i access to an FTP server in Firefox, if it does not recognize the directories? Example: the dir is JGTC Space and it access like JGTC%20Space, but i can not access it!
[07:17] <Ash-Fox> Does anyone know of any utilities that convert publisher files to some other format like pdf or something (Since I cannot view publisher files)?
[07:18] <tolkan> echo1: to do it manually yes.  There is a way to use a stream editor through a script to switch it out really quickly if you want to automate it
[07:18] <tolkan> echo1: but try it manually and see how it works for now
[07:19] <echo1> ok thanks.  When I get home I'll have to play around and give it a shot
[07:22] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: I just tried that rule on my local machine here and connected to it fine on 8080.
[07:24] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: humm strange....
[07:25] <eeos> does anyone know about a paratric 2D CAD under kubunut?
[07:27] <eeos> sorry, does anyone know about a parametric 2D CAD that works under kubuntu?
[07:29] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window
[07:33] <sorush20> can I connect my printer using ethernet connection?
[07:33] <sorush20> printer to computer?
[07:34] <mneisen> only if you have a printer that supports it, f.e. an hp xxxx DTN
[07:34] <D4rkly> i reinstalled wine and it wont work error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so ?
[07:34] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window?
[07:34] <Homer> Install I think
[07:35] <sorush20> mneisen: I have a hp laserjet 5Si Nx. whta is the f.e. and hp xxxx DTN
[07:35] <sorush20> ?
[07:35] <Homer> Request Install
[07:36] <jpiccolo> Homer, what?
[07:36] <daniele_982> i'm italian but there'isnt a channel ita for kubuntu
[07:36] <[GuS] > mmm there is a problem in Edgy with tha package  /var/cache/apt/archives/python-apt_0.6.19ubuntu5_i386.deb (with today upgrade)
[07:37] <daniele_982> i search to install xgl for my ati X300 SE but i don't know a valid guide
[07:37] <[GuS] > daniele_982, you tried in compiz.net?
[07:37] <daniele_982> [GuS] : no
[07:37] <daniele_982> [GuS] : the link?
[07:37] <[GuS] > compiz.net ...
[07:38] <Skrot> !codecs
[07:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:38] <[GuS] > search there,..,,
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> !it
[07:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:39] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: kubuntu-it is ubuntu-it
[07:39] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: is 1 channel
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> And they all use gnome ?
[07:40] <[GuS] > lol
[07:40] <manuel_> sure ...
[07:40] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: yes in fact i'm here because it don't know
[07:40] <[GuS] > daniele_982, you will not lost nothing if you ask...
[07:41] <Homer> how do I check my IP addy
[07:41] <[GuS] > just try to search in the compiz forum i gave you... there are many HOWTOs
[07:41] <jpiccolo> can anyone help me click ok (pic)-> http://jpiccolo.isa-geek.com:8080/~jpiccolo/snapshot1.png
[07:41] <jpiccolo> homer, ifconfig
[07:41] <Homer> k
[07:42] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, what kind of help do you need there?
[07:42] <D4rkly> how can i use dpkg to reconfigure wine
[07:42] <jpiccolo> gus, i need to beable to "ok" it
[07:42] <[GuS] > to hit the ok?
[07:43] <jpiccolo> dont work
[07:43] <[GuS] > use tab.. or try to install it under console...
[07:44] <jpiccolo> if i quit adept, will it break it
[07:44] <jpiccolo> stuck in the middle of installing java
[07:44] <[GuS] > you will be available to fix it under console
[07:44] <D4rkly> i used dpkg --configure wine but wine is already installed and conf'd how can i force this command ?
[07:45] <h3sp4wn>  -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew (those options to apt-get)
[07:46] <GnarusLeo> Anyone who got any ideas on how to syncronize my k610i with kde organizer or schedule or something?
[07:46] <Wargoo> I'm trying to install kbuntu on my laptop.  I had ubuntu on it and installed it fine, but when I try this I wipe it clean and it gets stuck at "Scanning the mirror" 1% and nothing.
[07:46] <jpiccolo> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:46] <jpiccolo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:47] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, ?
[07:47] <Tal> !bootdisk
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <Tal> anyone point me to a Kubuntu bootdisk.
[07:48] <Tal> if an Ubuntu one is the same, thats good to
[07:49] <jpiccolo> gus, thats what i got when i tired to run from terminal
[07:49] <pawel> hello
[07:49] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, did you use sudo? did you kill adept app?
[07:49] <Thorrn4> hello I was trying to install Cedega today and I got an error - http://paste.uni.cc/10242 (I pasted there) it says it needs xlibs but when I try to apt-get that, it didnt find it, stating that xlibs has been changed to "libxft1" and "xkeyboard-config", but when thats installed, Cedega still wont run
[07:50] <pawel> THorn find this .deb
[07:50] <Kiongku> !rm
[07:50] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:50] <Kiongku> !rmvb
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rmvb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <Kiongku> !media
[07:50] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:50] <Kiongku> !codecs
[07:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:50] <Tal> anyone know a of a kubuntu boot disk
[07:51] <Thorrn4> pawel, I have the .deb, its from dpkg
[07:51] <pawel> so nu can install xlibs?
[07:52] <michaelvs> Tal, for some reason I thought they were one in the same.  My disk labeled Ubuntu Boot Disk displays Kubuntu during bootup.  I got mine with an issue of LinuxFormat.
[07:53] <beregos> anyone here know hos to use xmodmap?
[07:53] <beregos> how*
[07:53] <heinkel_112> Tal: the kubujntu livecd?
[07:53] <heinkel_112> Tal: the kubuntu livecd?
[07:53] <heinkel_112> (sry for typo)
[07:54] <red_> where do i get ati drivers
[07:54] <heinkel_112> Tal: you can download it from a number of alternative locations --> http://www.kubuntu.org
[07:54] <beregos> !fglrx
[07:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:54] <Tal> no
[07:54] <Thorrn4> pawel, I can only download the -dev files but not the main file
[07:54] <beregos> anyone here know how to use xmodmap?
[07:55] <Tal> (fone 1 mo)
[07:55] <heinkel_112> Tal ??? I don't understand your question or you can't download?
[07:55] <pawel> thorn i got this file if u want i mail it to u
[07:56] <Thorrn4> can u please pawel ?
[07:57] <Tal> sorry was on the fone.
[07:57] <Tal> heinkel_11, the problem i have is as follows
[07:57] <Tal> old laptop.
[07:57] <Tal> usb cdrom.
[07:57] <Tal> wont boot from it.
[07:57] <Tal> now its an OLD usb cd rom.
[07:57] <Thorrn4> pawel, I send u a priv. message
[07:57] <Tal> and ive tried putting windows on it, via boot disks etc.
[07:57] <Tal> but it keeps failing.
[07:58] <Tal> i was wondering if there was a floppy boot disk for Kubunutu.