[05:52] <mchang> greets
[05:52] <mirak> eclipse: I did that to install eclipse from a sid
[05:52] <kensai> eclipse,which isn't much of a prob
[05:52] <eclipse> well, i'm not going to upgrade to gnome 2.9
[05:52] <|trey|> mirak: can't do that, there are like 10 packages that pertain to xorg...
[05:52] <mchang> I've never used apt-proxy - any hints on what lines I should add to the conf file?
[05:53] <mirak> |trey|: they should be replaced then
[05:53] <eclipse> damn...this confusing
[05:53] <kensai> eclipse: take what trey says
[05:53] <eclipse> well, thnx kensai and mirak
[05:53] <|trey|> mirak: umm, why?
[05:53] <eclipse> gotta run now
[05:53] <mirak> |trey|: because of the deps !
[05:53] <thoreauputic> eclipse: basically, if you have to ask, I wouldn't
[05:54] <mchang> no takers?
[05:55] <Deurges> hello
[05:56] <Deurges> I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot
[05:56] <Echylo> is your bootloader working?
[05:57] <Deurges> nope
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Deurges, sounds like grub got borked
[05:57] <Echylo> hmm
[05:57] <Deurges> I dont get any prompts at all
[05:57] <Echylo> Deurges, have you checked it would install your bootloader?
[05:57] <Deurges> just the Error loading operating system, which is a windows error
[05:57] <Echylo> Deurges, not necessary I guess
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Deurges: reset your BIOS to defaults - I've seen this happen when the BIOS is protected
[05:57] <Deurges> the installation went flawless, it supposedly installed everything
[05:58] <Echylo> do what thoreauputic said :)
[05:58] <LinuxJones> If I need to configure xorg in hoary the command would be dpkg-reconfigure xorg or something else ?
[05:58] <Deurges> ok... im trying it...
[05:59] <Challange> re
[05:59] <|trey|> LinuxJones: xserver-xorg
[05:59] <Challange> hi all
[05:59] <LinuxJones> |trey|, thanks
[05:59] <Deurges> no... doesnt help
[05:59] <mchang> anyone set up an ubuntu apt-proxy server?
[06:00] <Echylo> lemme think Deurges
[06:00] <Challange> can anybody help me with partitioning?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Deurges: hmm  :(
[06:00] <|trey|> mchang: ahh, you still don't have that configured?  :(
[06:00] <britishseapower> unbuntu uses gnome...is that right? is there any way to use it with alternative WMs eg...fluxbox?
[06:00] <Echylo> yes
[06:00] <Echylo> install it ;)
[06:00] <mchang> |trey|, didn't bother yet... :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> britishseapower: of course
[06:00] <Deurges> my mobo is an Asus p4pe, my primary HD is a seagate SATA disk running off the Promise 376 that is built in the mobo.
[06:00] <Challange> i need to make a new partition, but my mine uses all the space so I have to make itt smaller..
[06:00] <Challange> or whatever
[06:00] <mchang> |trey|, setting up the proxy first, then moving to debinst on usb key... should be a go soon.
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: yay  :)
[06:01] <mchang> |trey|, and it will get written up, eventually :)
[06:01] <britishseapower> thoreauputic, sorry if this is a noobn question, i have booted the livecd of ubuntu and its V nice,fine on my desktop, but my laptop would stand no chance...its an IBM thinkpad 600
[06:01] <mchang> |trey|, the apt-proxy package has the debian stuff set up already... these lines look right to you?
[06:01] <Deurges> after searching google a little bit earlier today, I think it might be because some strange problem with CHS getting used instead of LBA
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: post it to the wiki  :)   there is a document on there about how to submit it  :)
[06:01] <mchang> add_backend /ubuntu/                                    \
[06:01] <mchang>         $APT_PROXY_CACHE/ubuntu                         \
[06:01] <mchang>         http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: is very useful info  :)
[06:02] <mchang> add_backend /security/                                  \
[06:02] <mchang>         $APT_PROXY_CACHE/security/
[06:02] <mchang>         http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:02] <Deurges> but I cant force LBA on the drive in the bios, since the HD is connected to the promise controller
[06:02] <britishseapower> whats so special about ubuntu? I am a gentoo user on my other machines...thinking of jumping ship as gentoo can be a right hastle to install...
[06:02] <Deurges> and I don't see how I can change in the fasttrack configuration
[06:03] <mchang> Deurges, sometimes the fasttrack has it's own bios that will show up after the first POST.
[06:03] <Deurges> yeah mchang, but it only lets me set up the array, it doesnt let me manually put LBA
[06:04] <Deurges> at least I haven't found how
[06:04] <JDahl> britishseapower, it works beautifully without any configuration... I was thinking like you do, but I dont regret switching from debian/unstable for a second
[06:04] <bigtony> question: anyone know how to get an old isa networkcard to work with ubuntu ?
[06:05] <britishseapower> JDahl, well the livecd has worked beautifully on my desktop....must admit.
[06:05] <Chibi> Find drivers for it. :P
[06:05] <britishseapower> JDahl, didnt like my laptop though, and i cant get more than 1024x768 out of it...well i can but then i lose sound...wierd...suppose i need to take the plunge and put it on the HDD
[06:05] <JDahl> britishseapower, especially for home use - there I like all the bells and whistles to work (but I am not changing my work machine, I have to many critical applications already running on it)
[06:05] <bigtony> i assume just look at the card and do a search for the driver? makes sense didn't know if there was a command to type or something
[06:06] <counterfeitliver> can i burn a DVD iso the same way as a CDROM iso in nataulis?
[06:06] <britishseapower> JDahl, it would be better for me if it wasnt gnome, dont like gnome...its too heavy
[06:06] <lrn> I can`t install Kde on my system
[06:06] <mirak> yes
[06:07] <mirak> me either
[06:07] <britishseapower> got to admit, it seemed to configure the printer...and i was like wow, this is gonna print in linux without 3 weeks of hastle...then it didnt...not in firefox at least :-(
[06:07] <mirak> lrn: there is a trick but it's complicated
[06:07] <JDahl> britishseapower, I am sure that will help. My homemachine is an IBM t40p, and ubuntu managed to get more features working correctly that I had in unstable - without a homebuild kernel... amazing
[06:07] <lrn> how?
[06:07] <|trey|> lrn: add universe... apt-get install kde-core
[06:07] <lrn> i have it
[06:08] <mirak> it doesn't work |trey|
[06:08] <|trey|> mirak: hmm, why?
[06:08] <mirak> well you can install a base kde
[06:08] <mirak> but not the full kde
[06:08] <mirak> at least I couldn't some days ago
[06:08] <lrn> http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:08] <lrn> here
[06:08] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:08] <mirak> because kdepasswd is missing
[06:08] <|trey|> mirak: atleast 2 kde maintainers are in here... would have thought they would ensure it would work...
[06:09] <Deurges> thoreauputic, any other ideas?
[06:09] <mirak> |trey|: apt-get instal kde
[06:09] <mirak> kde: Dpend: kdeaddons mais ne sera pas install
[06:09] <mirak>        Dpend: kdeutils mais ne sera pas install
[06:10] <mirak> some package are missing
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <mirak> lrn: don't do that
[06:10] <Rene_S> Does anyone know what all the Gnustep apps in the repository are for ?
[06:10] <|trey|> lrn: the packages that say depends blah but isn't going to be installed... apt-get those idividually and tell me the error...
[06:10] <britishseapower> what are the lowest specs for ubuntu
[06:10] <lrn> damn it
[06:10] <britishseapower> or are there any tips for it on lowspec hardware
[06:11] <britishseapower> how is it at detecting wifi PCI cards.....
[06:11] <Rene_S> I dunno, but it detected my microwave yestrday :)
[06:12] <kensai> Rene_S: LOL
[06:12] <ynef> britishseapower: since ubuntu's a desktop distro, i might recommend you try something a "slimmer" for a low spec machine
[06:13] <Deurges> should I just try to use the XP repair console to rebuild my mbr?
[06:13] <britishseapower> ynef, will it run on 128mb ram?
[06:14] <ynef> britishseapower: probably, but i guess that it'll be pretty slow
[06:14] <Sepero> british: you might want to try archlinux
[06:14] <britishseapower> Sepero, ok i will check it out
[06:14] <kensai> britishseapower: you might want to try ubuntu with xfce installed
[06:16] <britishseapower> Sepero, i need basically a solution for student pcs at a language school, the pcs run 98 at the moment and are constantly getting viruses and what not...i would like to turn the 4 machines into basci browsing terminals (maybe give them GAIM for IM as well), and i must have sshd on them so i can remotely administrate...all the nics in them are el cheapo, wifi PCI..and i wont be there to install it, need to do it over the phone and
[06:16] <britishseapower>  remtoe!
[06:16] <webmaven_> I'm looking for a desktop RSS aggregator for Ubuntu.
[06:16] <mirak> hem in fact ubuntu doesn't install a full gnome desktop isn't it ?
[06:16] <webmaven_> I like Straw, but it doesn't seem to be available.
[06:16] <Twiggy> How do I set the root pass after an install?
[06:16] <britishseapower> kensai, thats sounds good, i like xfce4, can i do that install remotely...
[06:17] <Sepero> passwd root
[06:17] <Sepero> sudo passwd root
[06:17] <webmaven_> I've installed Liferea, but it doesn't seem to work right.
[06:17] <mirak> sudo apasswd root
[06:17] <Sepero> sorry :)
[06:17] <mirak> or sudo -s
[06:17] <Twiggy> ahhh
[06:17] <mirak> to have a root consol
[06:17] <Twiggy> thanks
[06:18] <webmaven_> Does anyone have a recommendation? My preference would be installing Straw.
[06:19] <im_ka> good evening
[06:19] <Rene_S> RSSowl
[06:19] <mirak> in synaptic, what means the orange circle of people near some packages ?
[06:19] <sect2k> hi, i'm having some problems with nautilus-burn (or rather system as a whole) not detecting blank CDs, any insights?
[06:19] <Rene_S> Syndigator
[06:19] <shaver> sect2k: check the /etc/cdrecord.conf file, perhaps?
[06:19] <Rene_S> or Snow News if ya like ncurses
[06:19] <im_ka> "Texasinstrument PCI-1225 Card Bus Controller" <- that's a pcmcia card, isn't it?
[06:19] <Keybuk> mirak: it means it's an Ubuntu supported package
[06:19] <shaver> it's a card bus controller, not a card itself
[06:20] <mirak> Keybuk: ok
[06:20] <mirak> Keybuk: why isn't the gnome package not supproted by ubuntu ???
[06:20] <im_ka> shaver so i can plug in my pcmcia ethernet card if i buy that laptop, right?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> webmaven, evolution can do rss
[06:20] <Keybuk> mirak: it's just a meta-package
[06:20] <shaver> im_ka: I would presume so, yes
[06:20] <Keybuk> mirak: it contains no files, and just drags various other packages in via dependencies
[06:21] <mirak> ok
[06:21] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, Oh? What do I need to do?
[06:21] <Rene_S> Firefox can do rss too, just in tabs
[06:21] <mirak> Keybuk: can I install it ?
[06:21] <Keybuk> mirak: the supported set of GNOME packages are already depended on by ubuntu-desktop
[06:21] <Keybuk> mirak: if you like.
[06:21] <im_ka> ok it wasn't clear to me that pcmcia actually means pci card bus controller
[06:21] <webmaven_> Rene_S, I tried Sage, it didn't work the way I wanted it to.
[06:22] <britishseapower> how is ubuntus wifi support ? (specifically for el cheapo pci cards).
[06:22] <thoreauputic> webmaven, just aff your rss feeds in summary >> news feeds
[06:22] <thoreauputic> *add
[06:22] <Rene_S> WebMaven, Thunderbird can do RSS feeds if you download it from Mozilla
[06:23] <Rene_S> WebMaven, you add an account to it that says rss news and blogs
[06:23] <thoreauputic> webmaven, in settings >> preferences IIRC
[06:24] <thoreauputic> webmaven, in Evo, I mean
[06:25] <britishseapower> how is ubuntus wifi support ? (specifically for el cheapo pci cards). anyone shed any light?
[06:25] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, No such place in Evo 2, as far as I can tell.
[06:25] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Thunderbird, huh? I'll guve that a shot.
[06:26] <Rene_S> WebMaven, You set up your subscriptions with that, dunno what you need but you can look into that
[06:27] <Kal_Zakath> britishseapower : it's quite good as far as I know
[06:28] <britishseapower> Kal_Zakath, ok thanks...so if i booted a machine with a livecd it might find the nic and dhcp it for an IP ?
[06:29] <britishseapower> i am on a livecd now...can i install extra apps? (i assume not without anywhere for them to go)
[06:29] <sect2k> shaver: i'm kind of lost here, but CDR_DEVICE=yamaha, i don't have that a yamaha recorder
[06:29] <webmaven_> I'd still like to install Straw, if at all possible, but it isn't in universe.
[06:29] <Challange> can anybody help me?
[06:29] <Rene_S> WebMaven, check there website or google straw debian
[06:30] <Challange> i want to make a new size for my ext3 partition and make a new partition too
[06:30] <webmaven_> how will the debian package help? won't that just screw up the dependencies?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> webmaven, possibly in multiverse - don't know
[06:30] <tom_> Howdy -- I've just installed ubuntu and am trying to get my iomega drives running. dmesg | grep 'IOMEGA' shows the two drives as hdb and hdd, but mount -t vfat hdb /media/zip/ doesn't work (nor does hdb1 or hdb4): "special device /dev/hdd does not exist"
[06:30] <Challange> i donno how to resize a partition
[06:30] <Rene_S> WebMaven, chances are someone made a package because mepis has it in there distro
[06:30] <shaver> sect2k: yeah, I think you want to put your recorder info in there, and set CDR_DEVICE to the name you use for your recorder
[06:30] <webmaven_> multiverse?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: straw has some tricky dependencies
[06:31] <Kal_Zakath> britishseapower : can't tell you, but all my wireless nic have been detected and canfigured with ubuntu
[06:31] <webmaven_> Rene_S, In fact, I know there *is* a debian package, but I thought installing debial packages was a no-no.
[06:31] <tom_> sect2k: the bottom of the /etc/cdrom file has the key -- it shows what yamaha points to.
[06:31] <tom_> sect2k: ~s/cdrom/cdrecord/cdrecord
[06:31] <mirak> If I try to install gnome, it ask to remove ubuntu-desktop , is it ok to do that ?
[06:32] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, what is 'multiverse'?
[06:32] <Rene_S> WebMaven, I think if you add 3rd party apps it should be ok provided the deps arent gonna mess up any ubuntu packages
[06:32] <mirak> Keybuk: If I try to install gnome, it ask to remove ubuntu-desktop , is it ok to do that ?
[06:32] <britishseapower> Kal_Zakath, thats godo news...interesting
[06:32] <Rene_S> mirak, yes you can
[06:33] <thoreauputic> webmaven  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:33] <Rene_S> mirak, its a dummy package doesnt uninstall anything other than itself
[06:33] <thoreauputic> webmaven, add to sources.list
[06:33] <zenwhen> ubuntu-desktop should be named something like ubuntu-desktop-its-ok-to-remove-this
[06:34] <zenwhen> hey
[06:34] <zenwhen> is firefox 1.0 in any repo
[06:34] <zenwhen> ?
[06:34] <mirak> Rene_S: ok
[06:34] <Keybuk> mirak: sure, but it means when you upgrade to hoary later it won't automatically install any new packages
[06:34] <sect2k> tom: there is no /etc/cdrom file
[06:34] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, added via Synaptic
[06:35] <tom_> sect2: I know -- I meant /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord
[06:35] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: OK - whatever works for you :)
[06:37] <sect2k> tom: it points to device 1,6,0 , but cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATA reports my device as 0,0,0
[06:37] <Rene_S> WebMaven, whats wrong with liferea that it doenst work for ya, i just installed it and it runs fine
[06:38] <rapha> Hi all!
[06:38] <bigtony> i'm gonna ask a really stupid question so please laugh if you must: i downloaded off of driverguide.com a 3c509b driver for the isa nic that says its for linux but its an exe question how do i install it do i use wine?
[06:38] <tom_> sect2k: Okay, so you want to change it then to point to 0,0,0. You can either change yamaha or create another line with a different name and then put that same name up top as CDR_DEVICE=newdevicename
[06:38] <rapha> Could somebody try going to ebay.de? Each time I try, firefox hangs...
[06:39] <tom_> rapha: no problem going to the page from here.
[06:39] <Rene_S> rapha,  works fine for me
[06:39] <sect2k> tom: did that, still doesn't work, asks for blank cd, but one is already in the drive
[06:39] <Rene_S> http://wohnen.ebay.de/
[06:40] <rapha> Wierd.
[06:40] <rapha> Do you guys have flash installed?
[06:40] <sect2k> tom: also upon insterting a blank cd in the drive nothing happens
[06:40] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, apparently Straw isn't in multiverse either.
[06:40] <rapha> Hmm
[06:40] <Rene_S> rapha,  I do
[06:40] <thoreauputic> webmaven, :(
[06:40] <rapha> Really wierd
[06:40] <rapha> wohnen.ebay.de starts loading then also hangs.
[06:41] <tom_> rapha: I don't -- I just installed, and about:plugins reveals that ubuntu includes no plugins by default.
[06:41] <Rene_S> Hmm try reinstalling firefox
[06:41] <sect2k> also automounting of CD doesn't work, it use to, but stoped at some point
[06:41] <tom_> sect2k: hrmph. That's not good.
[06:41] <rapha> tom_: Well I was just asking because this happens with some flash sites. But since Rene_S has flash installed...
[06:41] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: well, short of compiling it, you may be out of luck - and I would guess it's tricky to compile, judging by the dependencies etc
[06:41] <shaver> do you see this problem with a stock build from mozilla.org?
[06:42] <rapha> shaver: Well, I'm using the standard Ubuntu build.
[06:42] <shelldos> is it possible to install a distrubtion using vmware? install whole system to a virtual disk (file) ?
[06:42] <rapha> Sure she
[06:42] <rapha> Sure shelldos
[06:42] <shelldos> hmm
[06:42] <shelldos> How?
[06:42] <shaver> rapha: OK, it'd be interesting to see if that happens with a real 1.0 build
[06:42] <shelldos> I tried but it didnt really work
[06:42] <Rene_S> There is nothing wrong with the stock build of Firefox 1.0 from Mozilla
[06:43] <Rene_S> been using it since the 9th
[06:43] <sect2k> tom: tell me about it, it sucks, now i have to boot back to winxp just to burn cds
[06:43] <rapha> shaver: I'll go and download it right away
[06:43] <mirak> Keybuk: I am already in hoary
[06:43] <tom_> sect2k: so cdrecord -scanbus tells you 0,0,0.  What does dmesg tell you about your cdrom drive?
[06:44] <mirak> Keybuk: why can't gnome and ubuntu-desktop coexists ?
[06:44] <shelldos> rapha?
[06:44] <Keybuk> mirak: gnome probably depends on totem-xine
[06:45] <Keybuk> ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer
[06:45] <bigtony> is there no way to install an exe of a driver? or anyone know where i can find the driver for a 3c509b isa card? as i mentioned i have on that is suppose to work but its in exe format :(
[06:45] <rapha> shelldos: Well, WHAT didn't really work?
[06:45] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Liferea doesn't seem to be able to import or export OPML properly.
[06:45] <sect2k> tom: runing dmesg by itself produces a list of SCSI errors, any special opitons just for cdrom?
[06:45] <supos> mirak: bigtony that card should be supported by default
[06:45] <shelldos> rapha: I used vidalinux iso image to boot with vmware. And I tried to install it, and it says no harddrives were found!
[06:45] <Rene_S> I think Ubuntu-desktop is more like 'guidelines'  click it make sure you have the basics
[06:45] <thoreauputic> bigtony: erm...exe is windows, this is LInux?
[06:46] <bigtony> well i can't get it to link
[06:46] <bigtony> thoreauputic: i know that
[06:46] <webmaven_> Rene_S, also, it crashes when I mouse over a mailto: link.
[06:46] <bigtony> i'm just going by what the driverguide.com said
[06:46] <tom_> sect2k: well, you can look at what it tells you about your cdrom by running dmesg | grep -i 'cdrom'
[06:46] <bigtony> it says linux/unix
[06:46] <Ninko> how do i change really specific preferences in GNOME, e.g., autohide delay for panels
[06:46] <rapha> shelldos: Then most likely your virtual machine isn't set up correctly, or permissions to your /dev/hd* files are insufficient.
[06:46] <gass> hi there
[06:46] <rapha> Ninko: Try the "gconf-editor" tool.
[06:46] <Ninko> okey dokey
[06:46] <sect2k> tom_: nothing
[06:46] <bigtony> supos any command to type to get it to link?
[06:47] <tom_> sect2k: Actually, scratch that -- run dmesg | grep -i 'cd'
[06:47] <rapha> Ninko: It's also in the menu under "System Tools" > "Configuration Editor".
[06:47] <gass> where can i find the packages, or a list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:47] <Ninko> and an opinion question: which font do you use in GNOME?
[06:47] <Ninko> rapha: i thought i had already checked through all the menus, but thanks
[06:47] <sect2k> tom_:still nothing
[06:47] <supos> bigtony: you sure the card is working, and that it is properly connected to the network
[06:47] <Rene_S> WebMaven, your right mine does it too
[06:47] <pisuke> Ninko bitstream vera ;-)
[06:47] <rapha> Ninko: np. And personally I'm using the "Bitstream Vera" fonts.
[06:48] <Ninko> ohhh is gconf-editor similar to regeit
[06:48] <thoreauputic> bigtony: maybe have a look for isapnptools
[06:48] <Ninko> haha ok
[06:48] <shelldos> rapha: when setting up a virtual machine.. should I chose scsi harddrive or ide?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> bigtony: apt-cache search isapnptools
[06:48] <bigtony> ok let me try and thanks
[06:48] <webmaven_> Rene_S, go to the 'Online Help' feed, select the 'Quickstart' posting, scroll down to the 'What do you think?' section, and mouse over the 'Mail me' link.
[06:48] <gass> does anyone know where to find the list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:48] <bigtony> the card works on a windows machine i tested it
[06:48] <rapha> shelldos: The same as your physical machine has, naturally.
[06:48] <tom_> sect2k: Are you sure you ran it right? It seems strange that nothing in dmesg had the letters "cd" in it.
[06:49] <Rene_S> WebMaven, eeks what a POS app this is turning out to be hehe
[06:49] <webmaven_> A feed reader that can't import subscriptions without hanging is pretty useless to me, I am not going to add 200 feeds back in manually.
[06:49] <sect2k> tom_: i copy / pasted, run with sudo also, nothing
[06:49] <bigtony> thoreauputic: i did the search and it found it install it now?
[06:50] <bigtony> << new to linux sorry
[06:50] <gass> jdub: do you know where to find the list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> bigtony: yeah, give it a try I guess
[06:50] <webmaven_> Rene_S, and it doesn't even *export* properly.
[06:50] <Ninko> i know it's almost sacreligious to the linux crowd, but i wanted to use redmond95/microsoft sans serif
[06:50] <Ninko> but since GTK uses the same font for all applications (including the message text in GAIM)...
[06:50] <bigtony> installing now
[06:50] <bigtony> will let you know and thanks
[06:51] <thoreauputic> no worries
[06:51] <webmaven_> How do I get Straw into warty? There is a debian package.
[06:51] <webmaven_> who do I talk to?
[06:51] <tom_> sect2k: Very odd. I'm pretty stuck at this point. I guess the ubuntu way to look would be to use the nice graphical interface to devices: Computer->System Configuration->Device Manager and see if it says anything about a CDROM
[06:51] <thoreauputic> bigtony: isa on linux can be a pain, I'm afraid
[06:51] <bigtony> question i installed it how do i get the tools to run? i tried isapnptools
[06:51] <rapha> WTF!!!
[06:51] <rapha> Now FireFox also hangs trying to download the latest FireFox!
[06:52] <webmaven_> there is no information on the site except a reference to an otherwise hidden 'Package Nomination Process', or some such.
[06:52] <bigtony> see whats funny is this though there is a driver as i stated on driverguide.com like 9 people say it works fine on linux but it doesn't appear to be a linux driver haha who knows
[06:52] <rapha> I'm gonna strace this fucker!
[06:52] <Ninko> =-o rapha: i just use debian unstable repository to download firefox
[06:52] <tom_> rapha: You could try moving your config files out of the way temporarily and see if that helps (~/.firefox, I believe)
[06:52] <rapha> Ninko: what's the URL of that?
[06:53] <webmaven_> sorry, I meant 'Package Selection Proposal' process.
[06:53] <sect2k> tom_: it list my cd-rw drive (LITEON), everything looks fine
[06:53] <rapha> tom_: good idea, but I'd first like to see if it's version related. I can use links for the download.
[06:53] <Ninko> oh yeah, is there really a big difference between packages with "ubuntu" in their version names and normal debian packages?
[06:53] <sect2k> tom_: thanks for your help, I guess i'm off to bugzilla to report a bug
[06:53] <Ninko> rapha: ummm you don't use synaptic?
[06:53] <Rene_S> WebMaven, in your apt-sources.list file add multiverse
[06:53] <rapha> Ninko: Yes I do, but a URL is still needed.
[06:53] <Ninko> rapha: http://http.us.debian.org/debian
[06:53] <rapha> Thanks.
[06:53] <Ninko> iirc
[06:53] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  you can get straw from tehre
[06:54] <Ninko> oops i forgot debian stuff wasn't there by default :)
[06:54] <Ninko> sorry
[06:54] <rapha> :-)
[06:54] <labanux> why i can't shutdown my Ubuntu?
[06:54] <webmaven_> Rene_S, I *did* add multiverse.
[06:54] <labanux> i've run halt -p command
[06:54] <labanux> then the system show shutdown message
[06:54] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  apt-get update
[06:55] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  :)
[06:55] <labanux> but.., then it's stalled
[06:55] <Quazion> any gui tools to burn an iso ?
[06:55] <Chibi> k3b
[06:55] <labanux> and doesn't
[06:55] <Chibi> :o
[06:55] <labanux> and doesn't get power off
[06:55] <webmaven_> Rene_S, does adding multiverse through Synaptic not work?
[06:55] <labanux> is there something wrong with my ubuntu?
[06:55] <tom_> Quazion: I think that burning an ISO should theoretically be possible/simple from nautilus, but I've never done it.
[06:55] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  yeah, but you need to update it
[06:55] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: you need to run reload/refresh
[06:55] <sect2k> Quaizon: right click on iso file, select write to disc
[06:56] <Quazion> Chibi, oke thats needs kde, too much...
[06:56] <Chibi> I know. :/
[06:56] <Quazion> sect2k, nice i shall try :)
[06:56] <Ninko> what are some good cd-burning tools in linux....last time i tried gnome's write cd feature in nautilus, it just sort of hung
[06:56] <Chibi> It's the best unix has got, though. :/
[06:56] <Ninko> and i'm not used to using cdrecord
[06:56] <kent> Nink, k3b?
[06:56] <Ninko> ok...
[06:56] <Quazion> i think i will use cdrecord if nautilus disappoints me :)
[06:57] <agsansoo> Ninko - k3b
[06:57] <tom_> Ninko: If you like a convenient commandline tool, I highly recommend the "burn" python script. It works pretty magically and can handle most of what I'd want to do.
[06:57] <Ninko> i'm not uncomfortable with command-line but i prefer gui for ease of use and for my family to use it easily (i'm an immigrant from windows!)
[06:57] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thoreauputic, ok, running Reload.
[06:57] <sect2k> Quazion: nautilus is cool for burning data CDs, DVDs and iso images, anything else is not possible ATM
[06:58] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thoreauputic, no difference. Still no Straw.
[06:58] <Rene_S> Hmm
[06:58] <labanux> is there some on can help me..??
[06:58] <labanux> why i can't shutdown my Ubuntu?
[06:58] <labanux> i've run halt -p command
[06:58] <labanux> then the system show shutdown message
[06:58] <Quazion> sect2k, nice i will try once i get an iso of my smb share :)
[06:58] <labanux> but.., then it's stalled
[06:58] <Ninko> okay, thanks for all the help =) much faster and more personable responses than the forums, haha
[06:58] <tom_> Ninko: looking through aptitude, I see "eroaster" and "xcdroast". eroaster says it supports direct burning of ogg or mp3 -> audio, which is pretty nice (similar to what the burn script does, but with a gui)
[06:58] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  did you add multiverse to the same line as universe ?
[06:59] <Ninko> see you later
[06:59] <labanux> and doesn't get power off
[06:59] <thoreauputic> labanux: try sudo shutdown -h now
[06:59] <webmaven_> Rene_S, no, I added a new line.
[06:59] <labanux> ok i'll try it
[06:59] <fga> can someone tell me how to customize gnome menu ?
[06:59] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  try that i do that and it found it,
[07:00] <Rene_S> Straw 0.25.1
[07:01] <webmaven_> Rene_S, are you on Warty or Hoary?
[07:01] <Rene_S> both
[07:02] <Rene_S> but i did multiverse on warty only
[07:02] <webmaven_> I'm using Warty, I don't know what I could be doing wrong.
[07:04] <mirak> how do I avoid this error ?  I want to worst breakage with X resolved before I go. :-)
[07:05] <webmaven_> OK, so How do I get Straw into warty?
[07:05] <HWolf> warty is closed, isn't it?
[07:06] <agsansoo> Where can I get the Kernel-source package for <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 ?
[07:06] <Rene_S> straw_0.25.1-2_i386.deb  do a google search its in debian unstable
[07:06] <HWolf> agsansoo, it's in the repostories.
[07:06] <Rene_S> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl
[07:06] <webmaven_> is it *safe* to add the debian package?
[07:06] <Rene_S> should be
[07:06] <HWolf> maven, sure is.
[07:06] <Chibi> Ubuntu is debian. :P
[07:07] <HWolf> Pretty much, yeah.
[07:07] <webmaven_> I thought mixing packages from debian was a non-no.
[07:07] <HWolf> Exept ubuntu does the polish and the marketing right. :-)
[07:07] <agsansoo> It's not 2.6.8
[07:07] <Chibi> It's not recommended because debian sucks. :o
[07:07] <Chibi> Hehe
[07:07] <webmaven_> HWolf, I don't speak Polish. ;-)
[07:07] <tom_> Chibi: Sure thing! Just finished installing my own debian package or my own recipe app on my fresh ubuntu box.
[07:07] <HWolf> Neither do I.
[07:08] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok, I'll giv that a try.
[07:08] <Chibi> apt checks dependancies. If it's not going to work, it won't install it.
[07:09] <mirak> I get this error "No volume control elements and/or devices found." when running gnome-volume-control
[07:09] <rapha> Okay. Firefox 1.0 is severely broken here.
[07:09] <HWolf> OMG, I got a responce to my rant to ATI about their sucky drivers. :-)
[07:09] <HWolf> (6)
[07:10] <sabdfl> rapha: on hoary?
[07:10] <rapha> sabdfl: Still on Warty.
[07:10] <rapha> the 1.0 is the one I got from mozilla.org
[07:10] <sabdfl> ah
[07:10] <rapha> .tar.gz
[07:10] <tom_> rapha: I hope you just moved it -- no need to delete :)
[07:11] <rapha> tom_: sure :)
[07:11] <rapha> Not gonna throw all my bookmarks and passwords away...
[07:11] <Chibi> rapha- The official mozilla build it for /opt or /home install. :/
[07:11] <shaver> we what?
[07:11] <rapha> But after moving ~/.mozilla away it is even more broken.
[07:11] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok, downloaded the package, how do I get Synaptic to see it?
[07:11] <rapha> This situation needs to be remedied.
[07:11] <Chibi> Did you have any plugins in it?
[07:11] <shaver> rapha: what is "broken", exactly?
[07:11] <marcdm> Hail to all in the land of Ubuntu channel
[07:11] <Espectro> hey i solicited some CD's some weeks ago, but i haven't got contacted in the email, and the faq said to login to the page to see if it has shipped, and i did but saw nothing
[07:11] <Rene_S> WebMaven, open a terminal
[07:12] <rapha> sabdfl: Just got the Hoary package list into Synaptic; no Firefox 1.0 there
[07:12] <marcdm> I have given up on trying to install ubuntu the regular way
[07:12] <Rene_S> WebMaven, goto where you downloaded the file
[07:12] <Espectro> how do i know if my order has been shipped?
[07:12] <marcdm> I need help.... I want to bypass the installation of initrd-tools during the installation process
[07:12] <rapha> shaver: Well, before moving my prefs away "Opens a window, none of the controls being accessible" and now "Does not even open a window, just the name of one showing up in the taskbar for a microsecond every second or so"
[07:12] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok.
[07:12] <marcdm> is this possible?
[07:13] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~ $ sudo firefox
[07:13] <rapha> Error: No running window found
[07:13] <rapha> auto selected locale: en-US
[07:13] <rapha> *** nsExtensionManager::_disableObsoleteExtensions - failure, catching exception so finalize window can close
[07:13] <Rene_S> WebMaven, then type sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[07:13] <shaver> don't sudo
[07:13] <shaver> just unpack it as yourself
[07:13] <shaver> and run it as yourself
[07:13] <shaver> and see if it works
[07:14] <webmaven_> Rene_S, shaver, should I use sudo or not?
[07:14] <marcdm> hmmm, I hate walking into a room where I know no-one.
[07:14] <shaver> I was talking to rapha
[07:14] <shaver> about firefrox
[07:14] <shaver> firefox
[07:14] <webmaven_> shaver, ah, OK.
[07:14] <Rene_S> WebMaven, you have to dpkg only works as root
[07:14] <thoreauputic> webmaven, you need sudo to run dpkg -i
[07:14] <marcdm> Hey out there. Can someone please tell me who to bother with my Ubuntu install problem ?
[07:14] <rapha> shaver: I've moved away /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/* now, redid the installation and it works :) -- thanks
[07:15] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Aha, had to exit synaptic.
[07:15] <Rene_S> WebMaven, hehe i do that all the time
[07:15] <tom_> Grargh -- can anyone explain why dmesg shows my IOMEGA ZIP drives at hdb and hdd, but neither /dev/hdb nor /dev/hdd exist?
[07:15] <rapha> shaver: But what's that green arrow icon to the right of the "Help" menu?
[07:16] <shaver> rapha: for checking for updates
[07:16] <tom_> There must be something in udev I don't understand :(
[07:16] <marcdm> tom_: do you know of a way to remove initrd-tools from the ubuntu install?
[07:16] <rapha> shaver: It only appears when I run as `rapha', but not when I run it as root.
[07:16] <rapha> shaver: And it doesn't do anything
[07:16] <shaver> don't run it as root
[07:16] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thanks! it works and importes the OPML correctly.
[07:16] <shaver> well
[07:16] <shaver> don't run it via sudo
[07:16] <lamont_r> hi ironwolf
[07:16] <Rene_S> WebMaven, ill send ya my bill in the mail
[07:16] <shaver> you end up with root using your homedir
[07:16] <tom_> marcdm: Why would you want to do that?
[07:17] <shaver> and your profile gets bad ownerships and permissions
[07:17] <rapha> shaver: Well, I just tried. I'm pretty well aware what I should and shouldn't do with a program when it is running as root.
[07:17] <marcdm> tom_: well, the last 12 times I tried to install it failed installing that
[07:17] <rapha> Oh, now I know what you mean
[07:17] <shaver> I'm talking about firefox, specifically, and what it does based on the environment
[07:17] <rapha> sudo chown -R rapha:users .mozilla/
[07:17] <webmaven_> Rene_S, uninstalling Liferea now.
[07:17] <rapha> shaver: That also got me rid of the green icon.
[07:17] <Ninko> hello again
[07:17] <rapha> Now let's see if eBay works...
[07:17] <rapha> Nope.
[07:18] <Rene_S> WebMaven, yeah thats nothing but a hunk of crap in my opinion
[07:18] <shaver> what page?
[07:18] <rapha> shaver: FireFox 1.0, default mozilla.org release, still hangs at loading ebay.de
[07:18] <Ninko> alright, now i'm running ubuntu instead of windows :) and i can't find the setting for gnome-panel's autohide delay in gconf-editor
[07:18] <marcdm> tom_ : I've tried various combinations of cds and cd-rom drives. I've changed RAM, but not hard drive.
[07:18] <webmaven_> Rene_S, makes no sense for Lifrea to be in Warty but not Straw.
[07:18] <rapha> Ninko: Then there might not be one for that. But since this ISN'T Windows, you are free to go and change the source code!
[07:18] <shaver> rapha: like, the UI locks up?
[07:18] <Rene_S> rapha, did you do something funny to your linux ?
[07:19] <webmaven_> Especially since Straw is written in Python.
[07:19] <marcdm> tom_: I've verified the md5sum of the iso and the CD on 2 different machines.
[07:19] <rapha> shaver: Yes.
[07:19] <shaver> rapha: or the page just doesn't load quickly?
[07:19] <marcdm> it still fails in the same place
[07:19] <rapha> Rene_S: Nope. Not to my knowledge.
[07:19] <shaver> rapha: does it unlock if you wait?
[07:19] <shaver> or is it permanent?
[07:19] <rapha> shaver: I waited for, like, 10 minutes.
[07:19] <shaver> hrm
[07:19] <Rene_S> rapha, thats just odd
[07:19] <shaver> what plugins do you have installed, if any?
[07:19] <rapha> And Metacity says the window doesn't respond when I click the close button.
[07:19] <shaver> (check about:plugins)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Ninko: I don't think you need gconf for that - you can change it in properties for the panels IIRC
[07:19] <tom_> marcdm: Sounds bad. But I think your solution will be figuring out why/how it's failing -- look for any error messages you see. You can't really get a working system without the initrd stuff.
[07:19] <Ninko> rapha: http://www.fifi.org/doc/gnome-panel-data/html/panel/C/globalpanelprefs.html  <-- there's no menu like that in ubuntu?
[07:20] <rapha> QuickTime Plug-in 6.0, Windows Media Player Plugin are supported by mplayerplug-in
[07:20] <kent> is there a way to make ubuntu reconfihure the network?
[07:20] <ironwolf> hi lamont
[07:20] <Ninko> thoreauputic: no, there's only an option to enable autohide; no option for delay time
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> kent, sudo network-admin ?
[07:20] <rapha> Ninko: That control center is VEEERY old.
[07:20] <marcdm> tom_: I checked the virtual terminal 3 and it doesn't say anything more than what the installer said
[07:20] <marcdm> nothing.
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Ninko: ah, I see
[07:20] <Ninko> rapha: haha, okay, but it still has auto-hide delay!
[07:21] <shaver> rapha: can you remove those plugins and see if it hangs?
[07:21] <Ninko> i can't find that setting anywhere....does gnome even support it any more? it should
[07:21] <kent> nomasteryoda, welll, i thought maybe there is a non-gnome way?
[07:21] <marcdm> tom_: what I'm wanting to know is if there is some other way to install ubuntu apart from the CD
[07:21] <Rene_S> only thing on ebay.de i recognize is cool bikini's
[07:21] <rapha> shaver: Yes, a second
[07:21] <shaver> I can't reproduce the hang here
[07:21] <HWolf> *g* Actually, I got a personal responce from ATI. :-)
[07:21] <Rene_S> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44448&item=5331305237&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
[07:22] <Ninko> hmmmm bitstream vera is nice :) but i was trying to avoid having to use antialiasing
[07:22] <Ninko> for some reason i don't like antialiasing...probably all that time in win98
[07:22] <Rene_S> i dont like autohinting on fonts
[07:22] <rapha> Ninko: In gconf-editor, go to apps/panel/profiles/defailt/toplevels/<the panel you want to change>/ and find there "hide_delay".
[07:22] <Rene_S> something about rainbow color fonts that turns me oof
[07:23] <Ninko> whoa! thanks rapha
[07:23] <Ninko> guess i'm super n000b
[07:24] <rapha> No problem Ninko :-) ... the gconf system does take a little getting used to.
[07:25] <Rene_S> Dear ATI User, Sorry our drivers suck, please goto www.nvidia.com and check out there quality products, thanks for shopping ATI
[07:25] <netmonk> anyone with advise on suspend for toshiba laptop, with suse i used 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' but with Ubuntu the srean just goes blank for a second and then comes back again. any ideas?
[07:26] <Ninko> yeah i just don't have a feeling of where to actually look for values
[07:26] <Ninko> thanks :)
[07:26] <tom_> netmonk: Don't know much, but you can Ctl-Alt-arrow over to the virtual screen where suspend does its thing and see what error messages are there. Often there's a problem module or something that needs to be removed to fix it.
[07:26] <Piovra> hi
[07:27] <nonajme> hi Piovra
[07:27] <Ninko> k3b is for kde....is there a better gnome gui cd burning tool?
[07:28] <rapha> shaver: Okay, seems to be related to the mplayerplug-in. I tried with a startrek.com video. But why is this? mplayerplug-in has always worked; I specifically installed it for startrek.com.
[07:28] <pdaoust> Ninko: there's a reason people recommend k3b so often.... there's not really anything great for GNOME.
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> kent: yea there is
[07:28] <shaver> rapha: I don't know
[07:28] <Ninko> hahaha thanks
[07:28] <Ninko> seeya later
[07:28] <pdaoust> Ninko: nautilus-cd-burner works okay for basic burning, but dat's about it :)
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> kent, gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:28] <shaver> rapha: I don't know enough about mplayer plugin
[07:28] <pdaoust> oh, he's gone
[07:29] <rapha> shaver: Okay, thanks anyway
[07:29] <Piovra> a little question, i have xorg on my hoary...i don't find xcompmgr for transparency....what package i must install?
[07:31] <rapha> shaver: Hmm wait... I _thought_ I had it. But after removing the mplayerplug-in, ebay still does not load :-/
[07:31] <punkass> Piovra: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:31] <punkass> has to be in your sources list
[07:31] <shaver> rapha: what's in about:plugins now?
[07:31] <Piovra> cooooool :)
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> rapha, is it flash?
[07:31] <Piovra> thanks punkass
[07:31] <rapha> shaver: Just flash, which I had overseen before. But macromedia.com works just fine.
[07:31] <punkass> no prob
[07:32] <shaver> not all flash pokings are alike
[07:32] <shaver> but this sounds like something more odd
[07:32] <rapha> Okay, about:plugins is empty now and it STILL doesn't work.
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> my ebay.de page has error rendering the header graphic... the guy's head is chopped off
[07:32] <shaver> OK
[07:33] <shaver> can you file that bug in bugzilla.mozilla.org?
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> rapha, you need the null plugin
[07:33] <rapha> shaver: Okay
[07:33] <rapha> nomasteryoda: Yeah well, I'm not dumb :-) -- I left that one in
[07:33] <shaver> thanks
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> just checkn
[07:33] <Piovra> ok boys...i try transparency, see you later
[07:33] <shaver> you don't need the null plugin, really
[07:33] <Piovra> bye
[07:33] <rapha> If it helps:
[07:33] <rapha> read(33, "# This file contains user readab"..., 131072) = 853
[07:33] <rapha> close(33)                               = 0
[07:33] <rapha> munmap(0x43b34000, 131072)              = 0
[07:33] <rapha> socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 33
[07:33] <rapha> getpid()                                = 30297
[07:33] <rapha> bind(33, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(793), sin_addr=inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[07:33] <rapha> connect(33, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}, 16
[07:34] <rapha> OH!
[07:34] <rapha> Permission denied
[07:34] <rapha> Sounds as if I still had the problem with running it as root.
[07:35] <shaver> that doesn't really help, but I do wonder why it's trying to bind to 793
[07:35] <rapha> But then again, no.
[07:35] <rapha> su
[07:35] <rapha> ********
[07:35] <rapha> firefox
[07:35] <rapha> ebay.de
[07:35] <shaver> no
[07:35] <rapha> Also doesn't work.
[07:35] <rapha> Hmm
[07:35] <shaver> running as root with your env will corrupt your profile
[07:35] <shaver> I keep trying to tell you that
[07:35] <rapha> I just installed a new ADSL router. Had a plain modem before...
[07:35] <Chibi> Whee. ::prays that the dist-upgrade doesn't break computer today, isn't in the mood to re-install.
[07:35] <rapha> shaver: I amended my environment
[07:36] <nico_> hi
[07:37] <nico_> i'm considering switching to ubuntu from debian sid. how do i do that best, e.g. how much trouble do i have to expect when i just "switch" the apt sources.list?
[07:37] <rapha> (shaver: "su -" shouldn't leave any of my `rapha' environment intact iiru?)
[07:38] <Chibi> nico_ - It's been quite random
[07:38] <ironwolf> Synaptics touch pad on a Sager laptop, I can use the buttons, but not tapping the pad for left click.  Any clues how to remedy this?
[07:39] <pdaoust> whoa, that's weird -- has anybody ever had a problem with 'hald' not being started?
[07:39] <Chibi> nico_ - You'll /probably/ succeed, warty and sarge are almost the same other than gnome 2.8, and ubuntu-desktop
[07:40] <Rene_S> Does all xcompmgr do is make windows transparent ?
[07:40] <punkass> xcompmgr creates shawdows
[07:40] <pdaoust> Rene_S: no, you can also
[07:40] <punkass> transset does the transparency
[07:40] <pdaoust> beat me to it
[07:40] <Chibi> Rene_S- It can also do shadows, fade in/out
[07:40] <punkass> hehe
[07:41] <Chibi> Fade in/out is my favorite function of it. :P
[07:41] <Rene_S> ah .  I dont need invisible desktop items that bad then, I am already blind :)
[07:41] <nico_> Chibi: ok, thanks, as soon as i find some spare time (and i'm brave enough) i'll give it a try. i tested ubuntu last week, and i'm really impressed, good work guys!
[07:41] <pdaoust> Rene_S: I think xcompmgr, run without shadows, also double-buffers the screen or something funky like that -- the advantage of this is, when you move a window across the screen, the windows underneath don't get redrawn. It's very slick (as long as you have 2D hardware acceleration)
[07:42] <pdaoust> hey folks, do you have any idea why hald isn't running when I start the computer?  :P
[07:42] <pdaoust> ?!?
[07:42] <pdaoust> I think it rocks
[07:42] <Rene_S> pdaoust, thanks for the info
[07:42] <pdaoust> (when it works -- I never did get Project Utopia to work with Gentoo)
[07:42] <pdaoust> Rene_S: hey, no prob!
[07:43] <tom_> BTW, I got some help in #debian and got my iomega drive working: I had to modprobe ide-floppy (I'll add it to /etc/modules now)
[07:43] <punkass> pdaoust: i thought thats what xDamage did?
[07:43] <punkass> the window redrawing thing
[07:44] <pdaoust> punkass: now I'm not quite sure (actually, as I pressed Enter I had a shadow of a doubt)
[07:45] <pdaoust> punkass: I thought XDamage only helped out with things like VNC and remote X sessions...
[07:45] <Rene_S> the rest of the instructions for xcomp are on the wiki then ?
[07:45] <punkass> could be...tho i am not sure either :)
[07:46] <pdaoust> punkass: I guess it was just so bloody fast that I never even noticed redraws, even tho they were there
[07:46] <punkass> xcompmgr --help should tell you what u need to know
[07:46] <pdaoust> whatever does it, it rocks :)
[07:46] <punkass> or: man xcompmgr
[07:46] <punkass> hehe
[07:46] <pdaoust> if only it worked... I seem to be missing the gdk dev libraries that xcompmgr needs to compile
[07:47] <pdaoust> is there a Debian package for xcompmgr somewhere, that anyone knows about?
[07:47] <punkass> yeah there is one here
[07:47] <punkass> one sec
[07:47] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:47] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/ <<<this will be coming sometime soon too
[07:48] <pdaoust> punkass: rockin' -- thanks!
[07:48] <punkass> no prob
[07:49] <pdaoust> punkass: sorry to bother you again, but I'm really new to the Debian world -- can I use this link you sent me as an apt repository, and if so, what do I use as the 'distribution' string?
[07:49] <punkass> URI: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/
[07:50] <punkass> Dis: xcompmgr/
[07:50] <punkass> Section: leave it empty
[07:50] <pdaoust> cool. Thanks!
[07:50] <punkass> np
[07:50] <pdaoust> I assume transset is set up similarly?
[07:50] <punkass> yup
[07:50] <cenerentola> is it safe to use hoary universe?
[07:50] <punkass> i would assume as safe as using hoary in general :)
[07:51] <punkass> since hoary is a development release anyways
[07:52] <cenerentola> punkass: so explain me the difference between them
[07:52] <punkass> well warty is there stable release
[07:52] <punkass> the official hoary release will not be till april of 2005
[07:52] <rcaskey__> what package should I install for very basic c compilation tasks
[07:53] <punkass> so all packages from hoary are considered 'development'
[07:53] <punkass> so hoary is the latest greatest stuff..but it may cause more problems than warty
[07:53] <HWolf> Definatly so.
[07:53] <punkass> as they work out all the bugs etc
[07:53] <sanitario> ah, so *now* I get the release versions! *doh*
[07:54] <netmonk> does anyone know what in the world is '0000:00:1d.7'?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> rcaskey__: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ make automake
[07:54] <thoreauputic> rcaskey__: that should cover it
[07:55] <punkass> that should definatly cover it :)
[07:55] <sanitario> netmonk: try: lspci -b | grep 0000:00:1d.7
[07:55] <cenerentola> but is there any difference in hoary's and warty's multiverse?
[07:56] <sanitario> netmonk: a wild guess says it's the usb controller
[07:56] <netmonk> sanitario, it says 'spci command not found'
[07:56] <rcaskey__> gcc depends on build essentials
[07:57] <sanitario> netmonk: that should be lspci
[07:57] <sanitario> you missed the 'l'
[07:58] <netmonk> ic
[07:58] <netmonk> sanitario, you were right 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (re v 03)
[07:59] <ircleuser> I was wondering if it was possible to install ubuntu ppc to an external usb hard drive?
[07:59] <punkass> cenerentola: well they have different package lists for each..if the packages are different as well i am not sure
[07:59] <sanitario> it's good to right
[07:59] <punkass> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ you can click around here and few the packages and version for each
[07:59] <cenerentola> yeah but until sarge got officially released, i used its packages without problems...
[08:00] <Quazion> anyone an idea about how i can get some sort of notification in the panel when there is new mail in evolution ?
[08:01] <pdaoust> Quazion: don't think you can hook it specifically to evolution, but the GNOME e-mail checker panel can be configured for POP3, IMAP, and local mailboxes
[08:01] <pdaoust> Quazion: meant to say the GNOME e-mail checker panel *applet*
[08:01] <sanitario> anyone got problems with nautilus in hoary?
[08:01] <WW> pdaoust: So that would run as a separate app, polling the mail server?
[08:01] <Quazion> yeah, but when after evolution downloads the email, the pop3 account has no more new mail so the inbox monitor will go off again i guess
[08:02] <pdaoust> WW: that's right; it's just a little applet that sits in your panel -- no connection to Evo
[08:02] <Quazion> and i have multiple inboxxes, dont need 4 applets ;-)
[08:02] <cardador> sanitario: sudo apt-get install gamin
[08:02] <pdaoust> Quazion: ohhhhhhhh... that's right.
[08:02] <Quazion> maybe it just isnt there
[08:02] <cenerentola> sorry but will packages be added to warty repository or theyre freezed?
[08:02] <sanitario> cardador: yeah, I've done that... and removed fam...
[08:02] <pdaoust> Quazion: how about this: (sorry, it'll take a sec until I can see if it works)
[08:02] <Quazion> maybe i should write a feature request at the evolution coders :)
[08:03] <cardador> sanitario: is your nautilus still slow?
[08:03] <sanitario> cardador: actually, the problem is that when I go to Computer -> Disks
[08:03] <cardador> sanitario: what happens?
[08:03] <sanitario> I get Cd-rom%201.drive Filesystem.desktop Network.desktop etc
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: here you go.... okay, in the Inbox Monitor prefs panel, under the Inbox Settings tab, you'll find
[08:04] <sanitario> and nautilus says it doesn't know how to handle those files
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: Mailbox resides on: Local mailspool
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: Mail spool file should point to /home/yourname/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox
[08:05] <punkass> should DMA be enabled for HDs and DVDroms etc?
[08:05] <Quazion> where do i find the local mailspool file settings, or is it default at the .evolution/mail.... file ?
[08:06] <Quazion> ah found it
[08:06] <Quazion> its in the settings of the inbox monitor
[08:06] <cenerentola> quazion:sorry but will packages be added to warty repository or theyre freezed?
[08:06] <pdaoust> Quazion: here's where it gets confusing; your local mailspool file is /var/spool/mail/yourname, but not if you're using Evolution
[08:06] <pdaoust> Quazion: Evolution has its own mailspool under ~/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox
[08:06] <cardador> sanitario: sorry cant help you. maybe post it in the forum/mail list?
[08:07] <sanitario> cardador: yeah, I probably should...
[08:07] <Quazion> pdaoust, i saw, i understand now. Thanks. still since evolution is the default client maybe they should change it
[08:07] <Quazion> cenerentola, i really have no idea.
[08:07] <counterfeitliver> how do I determine my ethernet cards MAC address?
[08:07] <pdaoust> Quazion: no kidding. I circumvented the whole mess by using maildirs and Courier-IMAP
[08:07] <cardador> sanitario: but it seems that your ubuntu instalation is not standard. maybe you mixed some repostories?
[08:08] <mdz> counterfeitliver: "ip link"
[08:08] <sanitario> cardador: how do you figure that?
[08:08] <mdz> cenerentola: no new packages will be added to Warty, it is released
[08:08] <counterfeitliver> mdz: thanks
[08:09] <cenerentola> mdz: i knew that...
[08:10] <mdz> cenerentola: then why did you ask it twice?
[08:10] <cenerentola> mdz: so hoary multiverse... is like a sarge non-free?
[08:10] <cenerentola> mdz: because i didnt understand what punkass said
[08:10] <cardador> sanitario: have you changed your repositories to non-ubuntu ones?
[08:10] <mdz> cenerentola: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:11] <cenerentola> mdz: so?
[08:13] <mdz> cenerentola: the answers to your questions are already on the website
[08:13] <cenerentola> mdz: i cant find the answer there...
[08:13] <mdz> Releases explains the release process, and Components explains what main/restricted/universe/multiverse are
[08:13] <cenerentola> mdz: thats not the first time i visit the website... since im translating it;)... maybe im just stupid
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: your question about updates to Warty is answered in the first section on the Releases page
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: your question about multiverse is answered in the very last section on the Components page
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: does that help?
[08:15] <cenerentola> mdz:.. sorry no..
[08:16] <cenerentola> mdz: all my questions arose, after i was asked how to install nvu
[08:16] <cenerentola> mdz: if a package is released today, and its stable... itll go in hoary's multiverse
[08:16] <sanitario> cardador: not for anything that should affect nautilus...
[08:17] <mdz> cenerentola: the component in which it will be placed depends on its license, and has nothing to do with its age or stability
[08:17] <mdz> I don't see what is unclear about the Components page
[08:17] <cenerentola> mdz: now...im not supposed to use hoary because in hoary are present things that could get my system "out of order", as happened yesterday
[08:18] <cenerentola> ok, lets make an example: a new multiverse package, that's bulletproof: there's no way to get it into warty's multiverse
[08:18] <mdz> cenerentola: you are free to run hoary if you are willing to accept the risk; I wouldn't say that you are not supposed to
[08:18] <cenerentola> even if its stable.. itll go with unstable packages
[08:18] <mdz> I think you have a different idea about what it means to be stable
[08:19] <cenerentola> mdz: now among those unstable packages, with my stable-new-package, there are lots of things that could break my system
[08:19] <mdz> when we talk about "stable" in Ubuntu, we are talking about the distribution as a whole
[08:19] <cenerentola> sorry ill do a practical example
[08:19] <mdz> everything is built and tested together
[08:19] <mdz> you cannot change one piece and say "this piece is stable"
[08:19] <mdz> because they are interdependent
[08:19] <cenerentola> but multiverse are not?
[08:20] <cenerentola> so how can i get latest multiverse?
[08:20] <mdz> by running hoary
[08:20] <mdz> multiverse is a part of Ubuntu
[08:20] <punkass> anyone using acroread?
[08:20] <mdz> it is not a separate thing
[08:20] <cenerentola>  so i cannot use a hoary's multiverse in warty?
[08:21] <cenerentola> so a package released after a release wont be usable in that release?
[08:21] <cenerentola> ...well wont be findable?
[08:21] <mdz> it is possible in general to install individual hoary packages on warty
[08:21] <gwildor_> if you use hoarys multiverse in warty, you will now be using hoary
[08:22] <mdz> cenerentola: once a release is made, obviously things which happen after the release are not part of the release
[08:22] <cenerentola> but using hoarys repository theres the possibility to accidentally install sth that could break my system
[08:22] <im_ka> how much would y'all pay for a 233mhz, 64mb ram, cdrom, fd, 12", pcmcia, soundcard... etc laptop in good condition, with bag???
[08:22] <cenerentola> mdz: i perfectly know what youre saying.. but i cant find it logical
[08:22] <mdz> there is warty, which has various components (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) and then hoary, which has components (main, restricted, universe, multiverse)
[08:23] <gwildor_> mdz, I think it being sofware makes it confusing, tell them to pretend its a car, if a new car comes out after you bought yours, your car doesn't turn in to it
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Riddle me this Batman, why is Ubuntu the best Distro?
[08:23] <Rene_S> Because its mean, lean and works
[08:23] <mdz> RuffianSoldier: try it and make that decision for yourself
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> thats not even a riddle mister Ridler.   I have a problem during installing Ubuntu on my home desktop. It 's seam to freeze at the start of the configuration script of Xfreee-server86-4.3.0..... I have an nvidia card. any idea ??
[08:24] <mdz> im_ka: that's not relevant to ubuntu
[08:24] <im_ka> mdz i thought i ask "my" community?
[08:24] <ReddoC> XServer-Xfree sorry
[08:24] <thoreauputic> mdz: chill - that's really pedantic
[08:25] <WW> Is #ubuntu-offtopic still out there?
[08:25] <gwildor_> im_ka, that's about 100-200 dollars, maybe more
[08:25] <im_ka> it's @ 101. 4 minutes left
[08:26] <mdz> im_ka, thoreauputic: there's no rule about off-topic chatter, but no need to push the issue if no one responds to an off-topic comment
[08:26] <im_ka> 101  which is about 101 $
[08:26] <gwildor_> im_ka, just go and get one from www.retrobox.com
[08:26] <Rene_S> Does anyone know how this xcompmgr thing works, I installed it, added the extensions section to my xorg file but i am not sure what happens after that
[08:26] <im_ka> i've been helping a lot of users on the ubuntu forums. i thought i can ask an "irrelevant" question
[08:27] <ReddoC> where is the ubuntu forums ?
[08:27] <punkass> you added Comosite  Enabled
[08:27] <Rene_S> yeah to my xorg config
[08:27] <punkass> then you have to run: xcompmgr --help
[08:27] <Rene_S> cool
[08:27] <punkass> that will tell you all the stuff you can do
[08:27] <Rene_S> thanks
[08:27] <punkass> no prob
[08:27] <im_ka> www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:28] <punkass> or u can just run xcompmgr for default settings
[08:28] <im_ka> 1 minute left :)
[08:28] <punkass> s/for/with/
[08:28] <a_> noone seems to be able to answer this: is a ubuntu user screwed if there is a security hole in a universe package that they need?
[08:28] <gwildor_> im_ka, take that deal
[08:28] <Rene_S> around 200 dollard cdn
[08:28] <Rene_S> around 200 dollars
[08:28] <cenerentola> mdz: sorry i was on the phone: what im trying to say is that if i upgrade synaptic repositories there's no way back
[08:28] <mdz> ReddoC: seems to freeze? does the entire system hang?
[08:29] <gwildor_> centerola, you can revert them
[08:29] <mdz> cenerentola: you asked if there were a package search faciilty. synaptic lets you search for packages.
[08:29] <counterfeitliver> im using an athlonXP 3000+, should I stick with the i386 kernel or install the 686 one (or K7?)
[08:29] <Rene_S> k7 one
[08:29] <cenerentola> mdz: but to search ive got tu update the packages list
[08:29] <punkass> is there a noticable difference between the k7 and i386?
[08:29] <ReddoC> no i don't realy freeze. i can break the command and carry on, but then i don't have a xserver
[08:30] <Rene_S> and dont forget the restricted mod too
[08:30] <mdz> cenerentola: not really; the warty package list is static, so you can search what you already have
[08:30] <ReddoC> When i try to install it via aptitude, i have the same problem
[08:30] <im_ka> i've got it for 133 euros. i hope i won't regret it :)
[08:30] <cenerentola> mdz: but if i add hoarys, some entry will get doubled
[08:30] <mdz> cenerentola: don't add hoary unless you want to run hoary
[08:31] <cenerentola> i want to run a program that is in hoary multiverse...
[08:31] <punkass> sounds like he just wants one or two packages out of hoarys multiverse
[08:31] <cenerentola> punkass: you got it
[08:31] <gwildor_> centerola, just add hoary, grab the app, then remove hoary, just understand that there is a risk
[08:31] <punkass> exactly what i was going to say
[08:32] <gwildor_> :)
[08:32] <cenerentola> gwildor: that was what i was trying to make mdz say
[08:32] <mdz> cenerentola: I don't recommend installing packages from hoary if you aren't running hoary
[08:32] <cenerentola> ...but this is not very user friendly
[08:32] <gwildor_> lol
[08:32] <Rene_S> ewww funky on defaults it full screened me
[08:33] <mdz> it is possible to have access to all warty and hoary packages at the same time, and yet not upgrade to hoary, but this is not a straightforward configuration and is only suitable for experienced users
[08:33] <cenerentola> that cuts warty's legs
[08:33] <gwildor_> cenerentola, RISK IS INVOLVED, it may break, it may not.....not really recommended, im a newb, id do it, but it only takes me about an hour to get my ssystem back to how I want it
[08:34] <cenerentola> yeah but im thinking of hominides
[08:34] <gwildor_> hominides?
[08:34] <Rene_S> Im on day 5 of a hoary install, it runs great so far,  keep in mind though i dont have any funky hardware or wifi or bluetooth stuff
[08:34] <gwildor_> yeah, I think im gonna go hoary tonite
[08:34] <cenerentola> yep the one that panic if the print icon changes position
[08:35] <WW> a_: Any official sounding answers yet? I'm guessing your options are (1) try getting just that package from hoary (following the current conversation :); (2) Get the updated source and compile it yourself; (3) Ignore it and hope the security risk is small.
[08:35] <mdz> cenerentola: people who panic if an icon changes position should run Warty.  Full stop.
[08:35] <gwildor_> quick question, Xorg will work with the default settings?, if my X breaks, I am screwed, and have to re-install
[08:36] <cenerentola> but if they need nvu?
[08:36] <mdz> gwildor_: so far, reports are very positive
[08:36] <mdz> cenerentola: then they wait
[08:36] <gwildor_> mdz, ill give it a wirl then
[08:36] <WW> a_: Or maybe (4) drum up enough community demand to have the package updated (?)
[08:36] <cenerentola> mdz: not very user friendly
[08:36] <gwildor_> centerola, just use mozilla composer for the time being, 6 months isnt too long
[08:37] <mdz> 3 months, on average
[08:37] <WW> Doh! a_ left.
[08:37] <mdz> cenerentola: your argument is not consistent
[08:37] <mdz> cenerentola: if the user needs stability and consistency, they don't want to install new and untested software
[08:37] <punkass> whats wrong with bluefish?
[08:38] <Rene_S> they dont taste the same as whitefish
[08:38] <punkass> hehe
[08:38] <aquarius> I'm running an up-to-date warty. Networking is started in rcS.d, but pcmcia doesn't start until rc2.d, meaning that my PCMCIA wireless network card isn't started on bootup (because it's not available when networking is started). How should I fix this?
[08:38] <Gavrila> hi all
[08:38] <cenerentola> nvu... is not untested
[08:38] <mdz> cenerentola: you have a choice between stability and newer software
[08:38] <thoreauputic> punkass: nothing wrong with it - but composer is easier for beginners
[08:38] <Gavrila> ciao cenerentola O_O
[08:38] <mdz> cenerentola: you cannot have both the latest software and a stable, well-tested system.  It simply doesn't work that way.
[08:38] <cenerentola> gavrila: ciao
[08:38] <Rene_S> nvu is ok, i just dont see much difference in that and composer or bluefish
[08:39] <punkass> i know but cenerentola wants nvu...but bluefish looks very similar
[08:39] <punkass> and its available in warty
[08:39] <cenerentola> ...i dont want anything.. its just an example..
[08:39] <gwildor_> bluefish is in warty?
[08:39] <punkass> oh..lol
[08:39] <cenerentola> :;)
[08:40] <NanoTek> hey all
[08:40] <punkass> oh i thought it was..maybe i am wrong
[08:40] <mdz> cenerentola: nvu, whatever it is, seems like a poor example, since it isn't packaged at all
[08:40] <mdz> not in warty, not in hoary, not in sid
[08:40] <gwildor_> punkass, I was asking, I may try it out
[08:40] <Rene_S> I know screem is, but i dont know anyone who uses it
[08:40] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: you have a choice, as always: use the available stuff, or take a risk and do some work
[08:40] <cenerentola> mdz: youve looked for it: didnt you
[08:40] <punkass> i am hoary now..so i am not sure
[08:40] <mdz> cenerentola: yes
[08:40] <gwildor_> punkass, lol, guess it doesn't really matter, im going hoary as soon as I get home
[08:40] <cenerentola> ;/
[08:40] <woody> can someone help me configure my sound card ?
[08:40] <punkass> its in hoary..
[08:41] <Gavrila> ok ppl I kno I'm gonna ask FAQs but please don't kick me away
[08:41] <punkass> pretty sure its in warty too
[08:41] <cenerentola> ok... NEW UBUNTULINUX TASK: testing software and set up a repository of tested software...
[08:41] <mdz> punkass: yes, screem is in warty
[08:41] <Rene_S> woody, what kind of sound card is it ?
[08:41] <cenerentola> so ill have my nvu: btw i, going to package it tonite
[08:41] <Gavrila> is universe the whole debian repository?
[08:41] <NanoTek> Did someone have a complete working TV card on ubuntu ? and espcially the TV 2000 Deluxe of winfast because i can't make working mine despite the fact that it works fine on Fedora with the same settings (modprobe bttv card=34 tuner=3 radio=0) thx
[08:41] <mdz> cenerentola: ok, I look forward to it
[08:41] <punkass> mdz: hehe..i was just going to say i like screem better
[08:41] <woody> It's a built-in sound card from a Intel 815 chipset
[08:42] <cenerentola> sorry i meanT NEW UBUNTULINUX ITALIA' TASK
[08:42] <Rene_S> woody, hmm I dont have any experience with those, perhaps some one else here does.
[08:43] <woody> The sounds are there but I can't open the Volume Control
[08:43] <mdz> woody: should work out of the box, what's wrong?
[08:43] <Rene_S> sofar xcompmgr gives me full screen apps
[08:43] <Rene_S> that in and of itself is nice
[08:44] <woody> How do I disable HotPlug during my boot up process ?
[08:44] <mdz> you should not do that
[08:44] <NanoTek> you cannot it is needed by devfs
[08:44] <mdz> that is how drivers are loaded for your hardware
[08:44] <woody> and how do I disable FreeNetV6 at startup ?
[08:44] <mdz> NanoTek: ubuntu does not use devfs during normal operation
[08:44] <mdz> woody: just don't install it
[08:44] <cardador> Rene_S: xcompmgr doesnt freeze X sometimes?
[08:45] <NanoTek> mdz, not devfs but ... (i can't remember its name)
[08:45] <dablitz> I was wondering if anyone here could tell me how to fix or remove samba, I cannot seem to install anything since I have samba as a broken package
[08:45] <mdz> NanoTek: udev?
[08:45] <aquarius> How can I add a new applet to the Gnome panel in the top right hand corner? There's no "panel background" there to click; it's all taken up with the notification area and the clock.
[08:45] <NanoTek> yeah
[08:45] <Rene_S> cardador, dunno only have been running it 10 mins and only on defaults
[08:45] <mdz> dablitz: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/2492 perhaps?
[08:45] <dablitz> ok thanks
[08:46] <Rene_S> cardador, I am an xcompmgr newbie
[08:46] <mdz> dablitz: this seems to be a problem caused by some software that is not in Ubuntu, can you help to track it down?
[08:46] <drew__> are there security updates for packages outside of main?
[08:46] <gen> rene_s: you are a new of everything, yes?
[08:46] <gen> hurr
[08:46] <gen> i said new hurr
[08:46] <dablitz> i would if I knew how
[08:46] <gen> you said knew hurr
[08:46] <sanitario> now evolution won't allow me to authenticate to my e-mail server...
[08:46] <gen> k im done
[08:46] <mdz> drew__: sometimes
[08:46] <mdz> drew__: http;//www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:46] <Rene_S> new of everything ?  No, I am an expert in Windows.  I got diploma's on the wall
[08:46] <Gavrila> does ubuntu use devfs by default?
[08:46] <Rene_S> I also know about women
[08:47] <gen> expert and windows don't go together by the way
[08:47] <Rene_S> Linux however i am unsure of
[08:47] <gen> contradiction
[08:47] <khronic> Anyone had any success running Crossover Office in ubuntu?
[08:47] <punkass> Rene-S: no one knows about women ;)
[08:47] <mdz> gen: easy
[08:47] <drew__> mdz: that link seems to send me to altavista.com
[08:47] <desp> any Vim users here?  when I open a file in split-mode, Vim displays a nice status line underneath each split, with the file name, and stats.  when I have only one file open, it display a different status line, without the file name.  how can I get it to display the same status line in single file mode as it does in split mode?
[08:47] <gen> mdz: i'm too easy
[08:47] <woody> Does anyone give me some idea for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[08:47] <Rene_S> I beg to differ, for 10 years I have gotten one woman to take care of all my needs.
[08:47] <mdz> drew__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:48] <punkass> hehe..well congrats
[08:48] <woody> I can send emails from Emacs but how to I set it up to receive emails too ?
[08:48] <khronic> Your mom doesn't count
[08:48] <mdz> woody: if you aren't familiar with emacs, I recommend evolution or thunderbird instead
[08:48] <punkass> haha
[08:48] <Rene_S> I am gonna publish my research in a paper soon
[08:48] <cardador> khronic: ahahah
[08:48] <desp> khronic: rotfl
[08:48] <woody> Well I have already used both evolution and thunderbird
[08:48] <Gavrila> does ubuntu use devfs by default?
[08:48] <woody> Just Emacs
[08:49] <Rene_S> Man i love the wallpapers that Venezualan guy did
[08:49] <labanux> is there someone who knows how to turn off the Ubuntu?
[08:49] <gwildor_> post link?
[08:49] <woody> Also please give me some ideas for opening an Access Database using some kind of application in Ubuntu ?
[08:50] <khronic> mdz: Do you use evolution?
[08:50] <labanux> i use command "halt -p" and "shutdown -r"
[08:50] <Rene_S> wine
[08:50] <woody> Yes I do
[08:50] <labanux> but it's still hvae the same error condition
[08:50] <drew__> mdz: so there is no way to find out about security holes in these other packages directly from ubuntu, correct?
[08:50] <cardador> labanux: computer > log off > shut down?
[08:50] <labanux> the system says that it's going to power down
[08:50] <labanux> but.., then the computer was stalled
[08:50] <labanux> and show this message;
[08:50] <mdz> khronic: I use mutt
[08:51] <labanux> md:stopping all md devices
[08:51] <mdz> drew__: no, there are many sources of security information
[08:51] <gwildor_> labanux, shutdown from gnome.......
[08:51] <labanux> shutdown :hda
[08:51] <khronic> just wondering if anyone has had luck with Evolution 2.0's "junk" filters
[08:51] <labanux> gwildor: shutdown from gnome isn't work too...
[08:51] <trans_err> I installed hoary and now new courier doesn't display when I go to websites... any idea?
[08:51] <drew__> mdz: i use ethereal.  if there is a hole, ubuntu will inform me but may not fix it?
[08:51] <labanux> it shows this message;
[08:52] <labanux> md:stopping all md devices
[08:52] <labanux> shutdown :hda
[08:52] <Rene_S> only time i had success with evol's junk filter is when i used it in conjuntion with spamassassin
[08:52] <labanux> power down
[08:52] <mdz> drew__: the core team does not track security issues in unsupported software, you will not be informed by Ubuntu
[08:52] <woody> Any alternatives for Microsoft Access ?
[08:52] <labanux> acpi_power_off called
[08:52] <Rene_S> mysql
[08:52] <trans_err> woody, evolution
[08:52] <Rene_S> db4
[08:52] <labanux> then..., nothing  happend...........
[08:52] <gwildor_> woody, you against using wine for it?
[08:52] <khronic> Rene_S: using evol 2.0?
[08:52] <punkass> woody: i know open office can open access stuff ( i think :)
[08:52] <labanux> it's really confusing..
[08:52] <woody> Really
[08:52] <drew__> mdz: ok thank you
[08:53] <gwildor_> punkass, you know (you think)...............lol
[08:53] <punkass> gwildor idea probably the way to go
[08:53] <Rene_S> khronic, yeah.  I read someplace on the ubuntu forums that it worked and i found that to be true
[08:53] <punkass> haha yeah i was laughin as i hit enter
[08:53] <labanux> everytime i want to shtu down my computer i should give this command "reboot" or "shutdown -r now"
[08:53] <gwildor_> hahahahaha
[08:53] <khronic> Rene_S: Is there configuration needed?  It seems to me it is supposed to work out of the box..however, its not the case for me
[08:53] <labanux> it's really tragic that Ubuntu can be turned off.......................................................................................
[08:54] <supos> labanux: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[08:54] <supos> labanux: the chapter titled "Managing a Newfound Power"
[08:54] <gwildor_> supos, whered you pull that from?
[08:54] <labanux> supos:wait a minute.., i'll read it
[08:54] <supos> labanux: Sounds a bit like what you're describing
[08:54] <Rene_S> khronic, I never did any.  I just made sure that the junk filter was on in evolution and i checked off the other option as well
[08:55] <quique> woody: try kexi, but it is still alpha
[08:55] <Rene_S> khronic, you can still train it as well
[08:55] <quique> woody: a mature alternative, not exactly like kexi, is rekall
[08:56] <khronic> Rene_S: interesting...I have it turned on..and I have been Junking all my spam..but none is ever auto filtered into Junk
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic, hmmm
[08:56] <erik_> hey, is there an amd64 port to ubuntu?
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic,  I know on hoary i cant make it do that anymore
[08:56] <woody> Is there a way to use a dial-up modem besides using pon ?
[08:56] <supos> gwildor_: I'm considering switching to ubuntu, so I've read a few reviews
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic,  but on warty it worked fine
[08:57] <khronic> Yeah, it's strange..
[08:57] <supos> gwildor_: Well, actually my parents asked me to install GNU/Linux on their computer, and I figured Ubuntu might do the trick. I'm a Debian man myself
[08:57] <Rene_S> khronic,  if all else fails thunderbird works ok if you train it
[08:57] <punkass> erik_: yes there is a amd64 release
[08:58] <erik_> punkass, excellent
[08:58] <punkass> when you go to download, you will see it there
[08:58] <Gavrila> how can I disable system bell?
[08:58] <dablitz> ok thanks that fixed it
[08:58] <gwildor_> supos, you parents ASKED for linux, lol, my parents ask me to turn theres on
[08:58] <Gavrila> I don't want that beep at 3 am in the morning
[08:58] <grelli> I just want to thank everyone in here that contributes to the ubuntu project
[08:58] <khronic> Rene_S: Yeah I've been playing with thunderbird lately.  Looks decent enough
[08:58] <erik_> punkass, is it as nice as the i386 release?
[08:58] <grelli> you guys have done an amazing job, and it's been a joy using ubuntu on my desktop machine
[08:59] <SuperQ> grelli: yay!
[08:59] <Gavrila> hey am I not nice? :(
[08:59] <punkass> not sure i only have 32bit...but i am assuming it is one in the same
[08:59] <khronic> Rene_S: Though the way firefox has been acting on my warty install..I'd be hesitant to use TB
[08:59] <Rene_S> I almost have my wife convinced to switch. one more Windows Protection error and i think i can make her use it
[08:59] <punkass> lol
[08:59] <gwildor_> Rene_S, just drop her a virus
[08:59] <grelli> Rene_S would it not be a sweeter victory if she chooses to use it?
[08:59] <grelli> instead of you making her?
[08:59] <erik_> I just upgraded my laptop here to hoary .. is there an xcompmgr package?
[09:00] <dablitz> ok now has anyone here ver configure an ati remote wonder 2 with lirc?
[09:00] <woody> what is xcompmgr ?
[09:00] <Rene_S> Well, i am not really "making" her, Uncle Billy is
[09:00] <erik_> woody, the thing that makes Xorg composite rendering work
[09:00] <sanitario> erik_: yes, daniels has a package
[09:00] <woody> I see
[09:00] <punkass> add this to your sources.list
[09:00] <erik_> Sandman, where can I find that?
[09:00] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[09:00] <erik_> ah
[09:00] <erik_> excellent, thanks
[09:00] <punkass> np
[09:00] <woody> How do I setup Xorg instead of XFree86 ?
[09:01] <Rene_S> Im not so sure that xcompmgr is all that great
[09:01] <NanoTek> apt-get install xorg
[09:01] <erik_> woody, you have to upgrade to hoary, which might not be a great plan
[09:01] <erik_> ..
[09:01] <erik_> warty has xorg?
[09:01] <gwildor_> punkass, remember to give me that list later plz?, when I get home that is
[09:01] <Rene_S> I could be old fashioned though
[09:01] <Gavrila> So are u all having that silly system b(uzz?)ell during the night? O_O
[09:01] <ben_> hi
[09:01] <erik_> Rene_S, the shadowing etc is kind of lame but the SMOOTHness of it is excellent
[09:01] <ben_> anyone know how to install skype?
[09:01] <punkass> sure thing
[09:01] <NanoTek> Gavrila, you can cut the cable :p
[09:01] <khronic> What is xcompmgr?
[09:02] <Gavrila> NanoTek, pretty rough
[09:02] <sanitario> erik_:  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[09:02] <woody> How big is the file ?
[09:02] <Gavrila> Gavrila, I'm a gentle boy
[09:02] <crimsun> erik_: no, Hoary does.
[09:02] <erik_> haha i opened the floodgates
[09:02] <ben_> anyone, installing skype?
[09:02] <NanoTek> Ben_ juste go on the website and download the softwaire
[09:02] <crimsun> erik_: Warty will not get anything new.
[09:02] <erik_> crimsun, ah.
[09:02] <cardador> khronic: shadown, transparency on your desktop
[09:02] <erik_> crimsun, that's what I thought
[09:02] <cardador> shadows
[09:02] <Gavrila> please help me :(
[09:02] <khronic> ah
[09:02] <ben_> NanoTek, i did, but it said i need the qt library or something
[09:02] <dablitz> brb
[09:02] <erik_> mostly the nice thing about it is  a "backing store" that works
[09:02] <crimsun> ben_: just download the file and extract it in your home directory
[09:02] <punkass> Gavrila can you not go to Computer >Desktop prefs > sounds
[09:02] <erik_> like the X backing store never did
[09:02] <punkass> and uncheck system sounds
[09:02] <khronic> if i want pretty i'll buy a Mac
[09:02] <ben_> crimsun, i said i did that, and it gave me that error
[09:03] <NanoTek> ben_, the best thing to do it's to use apt-get to install the dependences
[09:03] <erik_> some of the tools sometimes ask me for my root password.  I thought that ubuntu didn't have a root password?
[09:03] <ben_> k
[09:03] <erik_> my user password doesn't work in such circumstances
[09:03] <Rene_S> I sofar like the fullscreen thing
[09:03] <woody> Is the difference between Xorg and XFree86 very distinguished ?
[09:03] <crimsun> woody: no
[09:03] <punkass> erik_: wierd cuz your userpassword should alwasy work for root
[09:03] <erik_> woody, only if you're running xcompmgr, really
[09:04] <gwildor_> erik_, that is because it is asking for ROOT, ubuntu doesn't have root enabled by default
[09:04] <punkass> cuz it is just a sudo command
[09:04] <erik_> gwildor_, yeah
[09:04] <erik_> gwildor_, why does ubuntu have stuff that asks for root?
[09:04] <erik_> if there's no root user
[09:04] <erik_> let me find specifically what it was
[09:04] <siimo> hi can someone please tell me how to flush DNS like in windows
[09:04] <punkass> erik_ its a sudo call
[09:04] <woody> If I upgrade to Hoary, will Xorg be updated automatically ?
[09:04] <erik_> punkass, this isn't one of those though
[09:04] <erik_> woody, yes
[09:04] <woody> Will Xorg replace XFree
[09:04] <erik_> ok
[09:05] <NanoTek> of course
[09:05] <erik_> I go into Applications -> System Tools -> Shares
[09:05] <gwildor_> erik_, if I run into something like that, I just run it from command, with a sudo in front
[09:05] <erik_> and it ask fro a root password
[09:05] <woody> Well something strange happened
[09:05] <erik_> gwildor_, yeah, I can get around it easy enough but I was wondering if I was doing something wrong
[09:05] <sanitario> gah, waiting for upgrades are horrible and a bit exciting.
[09:05] <punkass> oh..hmm...wierd, just never come across one where my userpw doesnt work
[09:05] <NanoTek> erik_, just tape your pass
[09:05] <erik_> NanoTek, no workie
[09:05] <gwildor_> erik_, I don't have ubuntu with me here, I cannot help anymore....sorry
[09:05] <erik_> gwildor_, 's okay, thanks
[09:05] <crimsun> ben_: use Synaptic to install libqt3c102 and libqt3c102-mt
[09:05] <punkass> erik_: what are u trying to run?
[09:05] <woody> When I updated to Hoary, the GNOME terminal version was 2.7.6
[09:06] <erik_> punkass; APplications -> System Tools -> Shares
[09:06] <gen> erik: do sudo shares-admin
[09:06] <crimsun> woody: Hoary has 2.9.1-0ubuntu1
[09:06] <woody> I guess my update is not complete
[09:06] <erik_> gen, so this is a broken behavior of ubuntu?
[09:06] <gen> the menu has a borken sudo link
[09:06] <gen> yes
[09:06] <erik_> ok
[09:06] <punkass> ah yes erik_ same problem here
[09:06] <erik_> that clears it up
[09:06] <erik_> thanks gen
[09:06] <gen> np
[09:06] <pdaous1> hey, folks, I'm coming back to the board with tail between legs... I think I've messed something up seriously.
[09:07] <gwildor_> haah
[09:07] <gen> pdaous1: what'd you do?
[09:07] <pdaous1> I uninstalled something and deleted other things... now they won't install properly 9_9
[09:07] <pdaous1> specifically, I'd installed the courier-imap and courier-authdaemon packages.
[09:07] <erik_> gen, what should I type to make it a good sudo launcher?
[09:07] <Rene_S> Anyone wanna goto work for me tommorow, you spend all day photographing toilets for a brochure ?
[09:07] <crimsun> how and what did you uninstall/delete?
[09:07] <pdaous1> then I uninstalled them, deleted the config files in /etc/courier
[09:07] <gen> erik: what do you mean?
[09:08] <erik_> gen, I can edit the launcher to make it ask for a sudo password instead of the root pass, no?
[09:08] <punkass> gksudo will give you a gui sudo box
[09:08] <woody> On my other PC, I have just installed the Base for Ubuntu console, how do I update to get all the necessary applications and libraries to run X Windows
[09:08] <erik_> ahh
[09:08] <gen> your root pass should be sudo pass
[09:08] <erik_> gksudo shares-whatever
[09:08] <erik_> excellent
[09:08] <erik_> tahnks
[09:08] <woody> without a CD
[09:08] <pdaous1> and when I try to re-install/uninstall/whatever those packages, it complains about a file that's missing
[09:08] <pdaous1> (a file that I deleted... oops)
[09:09] <erik_> I really like gentoo's no-root-user concept, i'm surprised that nobody has really done it before
[09:09] <erik_> er
[09:09] <erik_> ubuntu's
[09:09] <woody> will apt-get update install all the necessary files to run X Windows
[09:09] <woody> from a console ?
[09:10] <woody> I don't have access to a CD ROM
[09:10] <mirak> where can I find kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 from hoary ?
[09:10] <erik_> woody, apt-get update doesn't install anything, it just refreshes the package lists.  If you're trying to upgrade, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will replace XFree86 with Xorg and X will work in the end, yes.
[09:10] <crimsun> mirak: Hoary does not have kernel-headers*; instead use linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:10] <erik_> assuming you s/warty/hoary/'d the sources.list
[09:10] <pdaous1> hooray! I did it; never mind.
[09:10] <ben_> why is skype so ugly, did i mess something up?
[09:10] <pdaous1> Fortunately, I'd made a backup of the /etc/courier folder before I uninstalled everything.
[09:11] <woody> No I just installed the Warty base system
[09:11] <Matt|> hi, hoary question: is it safe to remove python2.3-genetic from my system and install python-genetic???
[09:11] <pdaous1> ben_: do you have all sorts of little boxes and Chinese characters?
[09:11] <crimsun> ben_: Qt can be pretty, too
[09:11] <kingsley> Yazston: Do you happen to know what either "TUN" or "TAP" are an abbreviation for?
[09:11] <erik_> is there any way in gnome2.8/ubuntu to make a keyboard shortcut launch a program?
[09:11] <crimsun> Matt|: python-genetic installs python2.3-genetic
[09:11] <ben_> pdaous1, i have ugly aliased boxyness
[09:11] <crimsun> do not remove python2.3-genetic unless you want that lib support to disappear
[09:11] <ben_> and the icons are overlapping and squished and stuff
[09:12] <Matt|> crimsun, hmm. python-genetic is kept from updating by synaptic. I assumed it was clashing with the other one, which is listed as having been installed "locally"
[09:12] <punkass> erik_: computer > desktop prefs > Keyboard shortcuts ;)
[09:12] <woody> Which packages do I have to install to run X Windows from a Warty console ?
[09:12] <pdaous1> ben_: yeah, I have that too. I believe it's due to the fact that KDE isn't installed
[09:12] <SporcusPorcus> hmm 295 very close to 300
[09:12] <erik_> punkass, I looked there but I can't see how to launch a program
[09:12] <Matt|> woody, apt-get install gnome
[09:12] <Rene_S> I should find a site that explains what the xcompmgr settings mean
[09:12] <woody> That's it
[09:12] <ben_> pdaous1, i have some funny lookin box thing too...that sits in the corner and it has a cut off icon
[09:12] <erik_> i mean, I can "launch a terminal"
[09:12] <erik_> but not an arbitrary program
[09:12] <punkass> ah i see
[09:13] <mirak> crimsun: ok
[09:13] <pdaous1> ben_: that's supposed to be the tray icon; it should be in your GNOME tray but sometimes it doesn't work.
[09:13] <ben_> pdaous1, oh
[09:13] <woody> apt-get install gnome will install X Windows?
[09:13] <woody> from a console
[09:13] <ben_> pdaous1, how do i add skype to the menus?
[09:13] <Matt|> crimsun, what should I do with that upgradeable python-genetic package then do you think?
[09:13] <pdaous1> ben_: where have you installed Skype? is it still in your home directory?
[09:14] <ben_> i installed it in /opt
[09:14] <ben_> someone told me /opt is for optional software, so i put it there
[09:14] <Matt|> ben_, right click inside the menu you want to put it, and click "add new item"
[09:14] <mirak> crimsun: hum, module-assistant wants kernel-header package
[09:14] <woody> Matt, will apt-get install gnome install the GNOME X Windows ?
[09:14] <Matt|> woody, yes
[09:15] <pdaous1> ben_: okay, skype the program itself should be in /opt or /usr/local/bin or whatever you want it to be, and all the other files should be copied into a /usr/local/skype directory (I had to create it myself)
[09:15] <woody> thanks man
[09:15] <crimsun> Matt|: according to the output of apt-cache policy python2.3-genetic, it's no longer in any pool. So remove it and install python-genetic.
[09:15] <supos> woody: apt-get install gnome will install Gnome, and all the packages Gnome depends on, which includes the X window system
[09:15] <woody> Wow, that's great
[09:15] <erik_> is hoary running gnome 2.9?
[09:15] <supos> woody: That's kindda the whole idea of apt
[09:15] <woody> I see
[09:15] <crimsun> erik_: bits & pieces, yes.
[09:15] <woody> I really have to learn a lot in Linux
[09:15] <pdaous1> ben_: next thing I did was just right-click in the 'Internet' section of my Applications menu, go to the 'Entire menu' submenu, and choose 'add new item to this menu'
[09:16] <crimsun> keep in mind the 'gnome' metapackage exists only in Debian Sid.
[09:16] <ben_> pdaous1, huh? so just the "skype" executable should be in opt?
[09:16] <erik_> crimsun, ah
[09:16] <Matt|> crimsun, thanks
[09:16] <ben_> pdaous1, i just put the whole thing in /opt
[09:16] <Matt|> bye all
[09:16] <Matt|> laters
[09:16] <pdaous1> ben_: that's what I did, mainly because that's what the README file told me to do. If Skype works for you without moving all the other files in /usr/share/skype, hey -- it works, right? ^_^
[09:16] <woody> bye Matt
[09:17] <ben_> pdaous1, lol, yup. but wat's the point of moving the other files?
[09:17] <woody> Can anybody help me to setup my shorewall firewall ?
[09:17] <pdaous1> ben_: no idea; I think Skype looks for them there
[09:17] <woody> It gives an error during bootup
[09:17] <pdaous1> ben_: let me check
[09:18] <ben_> can i test it with you pdaous1?
[09:18] <ben_> i gotta get my mic
[09:18] <ben_> hold on
[09:18] <ben_> and what's ur username?
[09:18] <pdaous1> ben_: The README sez Skype searches for the file "call_in.wav" and additional language files in both the current directory (in your case, /opt/skype) *and* the /usr/share/skype directory -- so you're fine
[09:18] <woody> Does xcompmgr work in XFree86 ?
[09:19] <pdaous1> ben_: my username is pdaoust
[09:19] <cardador> woody: no
[09:19] <Gavrila> does anyone know what the option write-cache=off does in hdparm?
[09:19] <Chibi> Whee, that was messy. :P
[09:19] <woody> How do I get the Services list in my System Tools in Warty?
[09:20] <Chibi> Anyone who's planning on a hoary upgrade, my one peice of advice is to NOT upgrade hotplug.
[09:20] <punkass> doesnt skype require QT?
[09:20] <pdaous1> ben_: I just like to throw extra program data into the /usr/share directory just because that's how most of the programs in Ubuntu are also set up -- I just like to keep it consistent.
[09:20] <Chibi> yes, Skype is QT
[09:20] <pdaous1> punkass: does, but you can get a statically linked version if you don't have Qt
[09:20] <woody> How do I get the Services in my System Tools in Warty ?
[09:20] <punkass> ah i see
[09:21] <Chibi> punkass- You might want to look at PhoneGaim
[09:21] <pdaous1> punkass: makes for some ugly fonts
[09:21] <punkass> hehe
[09:21] <pdaous1> :)
[09:21] <pdaous1> ben_: how are things coming along? still looking for your mic? :)
[09:21] <woody> How do I stop services I don't neeed in Ubuntu Warty ?
[09:21] <_axel> hi, im trying to install ubuntu on a acer a353LM laptop, and after the boot splash the display gets corrupted and i cant see $%&"!, is that a known issue or what?
[09:21] <ben_> pdaous1, yeah, i got my mic, what's ur username?
[09:22] <ben_> oh wait, nvm
[09:22] <ben_> i saw it
[09:22] <ben_> lol
[09:22] <Chibi> _axel - How much memory does it have?
[09:22] <pdaous1> :)
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: 512 mb
[09:22] <Chibi> Resolution?
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: or you mean the video card?
[09:22] <Chibi> No, just the main.
[09:22] <GnuHippy> does anybody know how I can format a drive with fat32 from linux?
[09:22] <cenerentola> hi
[09:22] <Chibi> What's the res, though?
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: i didnt specify any but it looks like 800x600
[09:22] <cenerentola> mdz: are with me?
[09:22] <cenerentola> mdz: are *you* with me?
[09:22] <Chibi> Hmmmm..
[09:23] <Chibi> Well, that sounds like it shouldn't have problems. :/
[09:23] <_axel> i mean, the splash looks ok -- things get corrupt when starting the ncurses part
[09:23] <ogra> GnuHippy: mkfs.vfat
[09:23] <GnuHippy> thanks ogra
[09:24] <Chibi> Oh, Like.... weirdly stretched?
[09:24] <_axel> Chibi: yup
[09:24] <_axel> exactly
[09:24] <oddabe19> SysInfo: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 |  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ 1644.136 MHz | Bogomips: 3260.41 | Mem: 616/1012M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 64.70G Free: 26.02G | Procs: 86 | Uptime: 1 day 17 hrs 48 mins 54 secs | Load: 0.72 0.63 0.43  | Vpenis: 2814 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 450.77M Out: 68.17M
[09:24] <oddabe19> Sensors: HDD:
[09:24] <Chibi> You'll need to boot with a vga= tag.
[09:24] <oddabe19> wh00ps wrong channel
[09:24] <oddabe19> sorry
[09:24] <GnuHippy> Is there anybody else out there using hoary?
[09:24] <woody> What is the best configuration for the sources.list in Warty ?
[09:24] <_axel> vga=what
[09:24] <Chibi> That matches your Laptop's resolution.
[09:24] <_axel> ah
[09:24] <Chibi> GnuHippy- I am.
[09:25] <GnuHippy> is gnome buggy for you?
[09:25] <_axel> so i pass vga=800x600 to the kernel?
[09:25] <Chibi> No no.
[09:25] <Chibi> Lemme grab a thing for you.
[09:25] <SuperQ> _axel: there is a special format
[09:25] <_axel> ah
[09:25] <woody> What is the best configuration for the sources.list in Warty ?
[09:25] <Chibi> I'm pretty sure it's vga=785
[09:25] <GnuHippy> well the volume app crashes on me a lot and sometimes icons on my desktop won't show up when I make new ones until I restart gnome
[09:26] <Chibi> But I could be wrong
[09:26] <_axel> k
[09:26] <Chibi> So just a sec. :P
[09:26] <GnuHippy> and opengl stuff screws up and I eventually have to restart x
[09:26] <Rene_S> Im not gonna ask about the Vpenis: 2814 cm  part in that sysinfo
[09:26] <Gavrila> I don't understand a thing
[09:26] <ogra> GnuHippy: got gamin installed ?
[09:26] <GnuHippy> yes
[09:26] <Chibi> GnuHippy- Use openbox. :P
[09:27] <Gavrila> I've done apt-get dist-upgrade, and it wanted to upgrade gettext-base from main
[09:27] <_axel> whoa, silly laptop, i cant find how to type =
[09:27] <Gavrila> so it comes that there are "stable" updates even if not about security?
[09:27] <_axel> must be some weird keymap
[09:27] <GnuHippy> XFCE 4.2 is nice but I am having similar problems with it
[09:27] <Chibi> XFCE4.2 won't run correctly in hoary.
[09:27] <GnuHippy> the menu freezes to the desktop and I get graphical errors
[09:27] <Chibi> Yeah.
[09:27] <Chibi> It's a GTK problem.
[09:28] <cenerentola> ogra: hello my friend
[09:28] <ogra> wow, xcompmanager feels really fast.......
[09:28] <ogra> via vnc ;)
[09:28] <ogra> hey cenerentola
[09:28] <GnuHippy> and I have loaded every via kernel module and I can't get dma enabled on my SATA drive
[09:28] <Chibi> _axel - Give vga=785 a shot, I'm pretty sure that's 800x600x24
[09:28] <woody> Does anyone give me some ideas for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[09:28] <_axel> hmm
[09:28] <_axel> the screen went blank
[09:28] <Gavrila> cenerentola mi caghi un secondo almeno te ;__;
[09:28] <Chibi> :/
[09:28] <Gavrila> ci sono delle cose che non capisco
[09:29] <GnuHippy> why emacs woody?
[09:29] <woody> Can anyone give me some ideas for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[09:29] <cenerentola> gavrila: query
[09:29] <Chibi> 788.
[09:29] <erik_> woody, #emacs or #gnus can help
[09:29] <Chibi> vga=788
[09:29] <erik_> because gnus is the superior mail client!!
[09:29] <erik_> SUPERIOR.
[09:29] <Chibi> http://www.antlinux.com/staticwiki/VgaModes.html
[09:29] <erik_> :)
[09:29] <GnuHippy> Thunderbird is the best
[09:29] <Chibi> Thunderbird blows.   But it's really an Emacs-specific question
[09:30] <_axel> hey, works now
[09:30] <Chibi> You need to add it on to the line that says kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash or whatnot
[09:30] <woody> How do I use gnus in Emacs ?
[09:30] <_axel> Chibi: in grub.conf you mean?
[09:31] <Chibi> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:31] <_axel> ah yes
[09:32] <ironwolf> Using a Synaptics Touch Pad on a Sager notebook, the buttons work, but touching the pad does not left click.  Any clues how to remedy?
[09:32] <wasabi_> Does ubuntu auto detect pppoe networks?
[09:32] <ogra> _axel: run update-grub afterwards
[09:32] <erik_> what's the section in xorg.conf I need to put to enable Composite?
[09:32] <sladen> ironwolf: left click by tapping it
[09:33] <SuperQ> ogra: why would you need to run anything after editing menu.lst
[09:33] <tritium> I can't get gpdf to respond to my .Xresources settings (e.g. Gpdf.geometry: 800x600)
[09:33] <sladen> ironwolf: is that what you mean?
[09:33] <punkass> erik_: i just stuck this near the bottom
[09:33] <punkass> Section "Extensions"
[09:33] <punkass>         Option        "Composite"        "Enable"
[09:33] <punkass> EndSection
[09:33] <SuperQ> ogra: menu.lst is dynamicaly read by grub each boot
[09:33] <erik_> punkass, excellent, thank
[09:33] <punkass> np
[09:33] <woody> How do I receive emails from Emacs ?
[09:33] <erik_> woody, what exactly do you mean?
[09:33] <GnuHippy> also when I log out of gnome or it crashes sometimes I have to delete my .ICEauthority file
[09:33] <ironwolf> sladen: yes, and it's not currently working.
[09:33] <ogra> SuperQ: youre right...sorry....
[09:34] <erik_> woody, you mean, set up an emacs-based mail client?
[09:34] <woody> Yes
[09:34] <erik_> woody, I think #emacs or #gnus would really be better suited to answer your questions
[09:34] <SuperQ> ogra: :) np
[09:34] <erik_> woody, also, http://www.emacswiki.org
[09:34] <Chibi> ::coughemacs=texteditorcough::
[09:34] <erik_> Chibi, quiet, you
[09:34] <erik_> :p
[09:34] <ogra> SuperQ: wron support always it a problem ...:)
[09:34] <ogra> +g
[09:35] <tritium> How can I get gdpf and gedit to remember their last geometry, or set a default one?
[09:35] <Rene_S> Emacs does mail ?
[09:35] <punkass> Chibi: u used that phonegaim?
[09:35] <Chibi> No, never have.
[09:35] <Chibi> Just heard about it. :P
[09:35] <punkass> looks pretty good
[09:36] <punkass> no bad it cant call skype users
[09:36] <sladen> Rene_S: Emacs can do anything, just getting it to do "anything" is probably outside the scope of this particular IRC channel
[09:36] <punkass> s/no/to
[09:36] <punkass> what is wrong with mutt or pine..
[09:36] <sladen> ironwolf: do you have left/right buttons aswell?
[09:36] <Chibi> Linspire is trying to merge their code into the main gaim tree.
[09:36] <ironwolf> sladen: yes, and they work well.
[09:36] <punkass> yeah i was reading that..that be cool
[09:36] <Rene_S> sladen, hehe your probably right, hell i didnt know it did mail so ...
[09:36] <Matt|> hiya. Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:37] <erik_> can the ubuntu installer coexist with a windows XP installation?
[09:37] <sladen> ironwolf: so it's just the 'tapping' that doesn't?
[09:37] <Matt|> erik_, yup
[09:37] <erik_> Matt|, ok, great
[09:37] <ironwolf> sladen: correct.
[09:37] <erik_> just custom partition, I assume
[09:37] <erik_> wanted to make sure heh
[09:39] <GnuHippy> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[09:39] <Matt|> is there a systray icon for evolution? ;)
[09:39] <Chibi> No. :/
[09:39] <Chibi> Evolution is poo.
[09:39] <woody> Any alternatives for MS-Access ?
[09:39] <GnuHippy> I am having a problem converting a drive to fat32
[09:39] <Matt|> Chibi, whatever
[09:39] <Chibi> It runs extra useless daemons. :/
[09:40] <Matt|> well that depends how you define useless i guess
[09:40] <GnuHippy> is there anyway I can make an NTFS partition from linux?
[09:40] <erik_> Chibi, e-d-s isn't useless
[09:40] <Matt|> Chibi, any idea about that hoary question ^^
[09:40] <Chibi> What question now? o.o;
[09:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, probably not a good idea
[09:40] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:41] <GnuHippy> I need to get my mp3 collection back to a windows partition
[09:41] <GnuHippy> it is too big for even a dvd
[09:41] <Matt|> GnuHippy, use fat then
[09:41] <GnuHippy> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[09:41] <GnuHippy> thats what I get
[09:41] <Matt|> GnuHippy, ok. the solution is to fix that rather than try and make an ntfs partition tho
[09:41] <GnuHippy> ok
[09:42] <woody> Does Ubuntu work with a PI-133 with 64 MB RAM and 2 BG PC ?
[09:42] <GnuHippy> I seem to remember be able to make up to 120gb fat32 partitions in the past
[09:42] <erik_> woody, might be kinda slow
[09:42] <woody> 2 BG
[09:42] <GnuHippy> is vfat fat32 or just fat16??
[09:42] <Matt|> Chibi, see the question?
[09:42] <erik_> gnome isn't THAT lean heh
[09:42] <Chibi> Not a clue on it. :P
[09:42] <Matt|> woody, you could run a leaner system though
[09:42] <Matt|> Chibi, k
[09:42] <gwildor_> woody, after installation  of ubuntu, you might wanna grab fluxbox or xfce4
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody. both are apt-getable
[09:43] <woody> what are fluxbox and xfce4 ?
[09:43] <erik_> gwildor_, does ubuntu's gdm respect ~/.xsession ?
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody, like gnome, but alternatives
[09:43] <erik_> woody, alternative window managers that are a lot leaner
[09:43] <Chibi> xfce4 is an awesome light GTK envireonment
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody, they are lighter, (use less ram)
[09:43] <erik_> I use xfce4 on my tablet, it's great
[09:44] <ironwolf> sladen: any ideas?
[09:44] <Chibi> XFCE == God :D
[09:44] <woody> Is the installaton process easy ?
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, xfce4 is really nice, youd prob like it better than fluxbox
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[09:44] <Matt|> woody, none easier
[09:44] <sladen> ironwolf: I googled for  synaptics configure tap  and you need to set MaxTapTime to something non-zero.  I've no idea where though
[09:44] <Chibi> woody - Are you using warty or hoary?
[09:44] <erik_> yes but how does one set xfce4 to be the default environment?
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, and its installed
[09:44] <woody> Well thank you to all of you out there
[09:44] <gwildor_> erik_, at the log in screen
[09:44] <erik_> oh
[09:44] <woody> It's great chatting with all of you
[09:44] <erik_> haha excellent
[09:44] <erik_> good luck woody
[09:44] <Rene_S> I dont understand the attraction to fuxbox and xfce and windowmaker
[09:45] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:45] <woody> and thanks for all the tips and advice
[09:45] <Chibi> If you're going to get XFCE, I recommend getting 4.2 from os-cillation.de
[09:45] <Matt|> icewm is the best
[09:45] <ironwolf> sladen: thanks, I'll poke around for it.
[09:45] <woody> OK
[09:45] <woody> thanks to you all
[09:45] <gwildor_> woody, np :)
[09:45] <woody> have a nice time and good night from my side in Nepal
[09:46] <Matt|> wow nepalese user! kewl
[09:46] <sladen> ironwolf: I'm not sure whether the kernel drivers are being used, or the XF ones
[09:46] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:47] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how? <-- If you know the answer, please PM me with it: I'm going afk for a little while.  I need a root window manager. :P
[09:55] <sladen> ironwolf: it appears to might be the tool to configure the synaptics!
[09:55] <Chibi> I don't like xi. :/
[09:57] <L3th3M> hi to all!
[09:57] <L3th3M> how to install windows 98 on ubuntu?
[09:58] <L3th3M> I tried with vmware and win4lin, but I cannot do it
[09:58] <L3th3M> somebody alive?
[09:58] <Deviled> and why you cant?
[09:58] <Rene_S> nap time
[09:59] <L3th3M> vmware: error with a dictory
[09:59] <ed_gein> what would cause a working system to suddenly start having problems with "starting usb subsystem"
[09:59] <pgavin> wow, ubuntu is very imressive
[09:59] <pgavin> ermm, impressive
[10:00] <ironwolf> sladen: running synclient I get "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" where's SHMConfig set ?
[10:00] <pgavin> just installed it yesterday
[10:00] <L3th3M> and win4lin: not compatible kernel
[10:00] <sladen> ironwolf: there's a bug about it.  2153  (where I found the reference to synclient)
[10:00] <L3th3M> what can I do?
[10:00] <ed_gein> install win2000/xp?
[10:01] <L3th3M> windows 98
[10:01] <ReddoC> I can not install xserver-xfree86. when i make apt-get install xserver-xfree86, i can see configure package and then nothing else. i have to break the command.  any help ?
[10:01] <ed_gein> ReddoC:is this a fresh install?
[10:01] <ReddoC> yes
[10:02] <L3th3M> exist somethink for create virtual machine, but free?
[10:02] <ReddoC> i has block during install the first time
[10:02] <ed_gein> was this an expert install?
[10:02] <ReddoC> no
[10:02] <ed_gein> hmmm
[10:02] <ReddoC> it was a normal install
[10:03] <ed_gein> it didn't install and configure x automagically for you?
[10:03] <ReddoC> no, i wait a long time and then it my break key and it pass thruw
[10:03] <ReddoC> so i have every thing installed. but no xserver
[10:04] <Deviled> hm, can somebody tell me how can i change the file rights from root to my default user?
[10:04] <HWolf> Sweet, my question is the first to be awnsered in rage3d's chat with ATI developers about linux drivers.
[10:05] <ironwolf> sladen: many thanks.
[10:05] <L3th3M> what is plex86?
[10:05] <ed_gein> Deviled:look into chown
[10:05] <sladen> L3th3M: linux on linux.  You probably want Qemu
[10:05] <L3th3M> qemu?
[10:06] <ReddoC> ed_gein: I have a nvidia video card
[10:07] <L3th3M> I going to try with qemu
[10:07] <kingsley> Does any of the "/proc" hierarchy reveal network traffic, and, if so, which path?
[10:10] <Deviled> thx :)
[10:10] <ReddoC> Is there a alternative way than apt-get to install xserver-xfree ?
[10:11] <gwildor_> synaptic?
[10:11] <Desolate> anyone here got experience with connecting a linux pc to a windows wireless network?
[10:11] <hypa7ia> Desolate: still trying to get the adapter working?
[10:11] <ReddoC> gwildor: but you need xserver-xfree86 to run synaptic
[10:12] <Chibi> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=17748&file1=17748-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=linux+for+human+beings+%28ubuntu%29 Oooh.
[10:12] <Chibi> Gnome-Look loves us.
[10:12] <gwildor_> ReddoC, was only half paying attention.....sorry
[10:12] <hypa7ia> ooooh so pwetty
[10:12] <Desolate> heh, hypa7ia, I got the pc to recognize the router (and the network) but I'm not sure if it's connected to it. In any case, if it is, I can't get the actual inet connection to work
[10:13] <Echylo> can somebody help me with this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto
[10:13] <hypa7ia> Desolate: can you put whatever iwconfig and ifconfig returns into http://pastebin.com for me?
[10:14] <Desolate> yeah
[10:14] <hypa7ia> rawk
[10:14] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/119021
[10:14] <Echylo> this is the error
[10:14] <Echylo> when I try to launch 3ddesk
[10:15] <gwildor_> echylo, im a newb, I can try, seems you just need to cop & paste from the wikki though
[10:15] <L3th3M> qemu cannot install windows 98
[10:15] <Echylo> I did
[10:15] <Echylo> but check the error
[10:15] <gwildor_> kk
[10:15] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how? <-- If you know the answer, please PM me with it: I'm going afk for a little while. THANKS!!!!
[10:15] <sladen> L3th3M: dunno about install, but qemu on here boots Windows 98 okay
[10:15] <L3th3M> and how to install?
[10:16] <sladen> Matt|: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[10:16] <gwildor_> sladen, pm that too him
[10:17] <gwildor_> echylo, does it work now?
[10:17] <Echylo> gwildor no :)
[10:17] <Desolate> hypa7ia: http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:17] <Deviled> hm, can anyone say me how to rebuild the firefox profile? f###ed it up, and when i restrat firefox, it doesnt rebuilt it itself :/
[10:17] <sladen> Deviled: make sure firefox is completely dead and killed
[10:18] <sladen> Deviled: eg,  killall firefox-bin
[10:18] <Matt|> sladen, prob with filing a bug is that i have no idea what provokes the screen blank, it seems quite random
[10:18] <hypa7ia> interesting, Desolate.  seems you're associated with the AP and everything
[10:18] <Deviled> sladen: it's dead
[10:18] <Desolate> so I am connected to the router, correct?
[10:18] <erik_> does anyone know what the schedule of firefox1.0 getting into hoary is?
[10:18] <hypa7ia> Desolate: yes
[10:18] <Desolate> the only problem is that I can't access the internet
[10:19] <erik_> 1.0pre has that annoying typeahead find bug
[10:19] <hypa7ia> can you ping the router?
[10:19] <sladen> Deviled: do   ps aux | grep firefox
[10:19] <Matt|> Desolate, have you pinged a website from the command line?
[10:19] <hypa7ia> oh man, erik_, that's the worst thing ever
[10:19] <gwildor_> erik_, should be soon, one could assume
[10:19] <Desolate> nope, haven't tried that Matt|
[10:19] <Deviled> "despair  31854  0.0  0.2  1864  672 pts/0    R+   22:19   0:00 grep firefox"
[10:19] <erik_> hypa7ia, yeah it is
[10:19] <Matt|> Desolate, if it doesn't work, trying pinging an actual ip address of a website rather than the name
[10:19] <hypa7ia> Desolate: here's an ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:20] <erik_> wow you can rightclick-burn iso in gnome28
[10:20] <Matt|> team work
[10:20] <erik_> that's unexpected and nice
[10:20] <wasabi_> Anybody know much about Cups? Why can't I see things in my queue printed by other people?
[10:20] <Desolate> Network is unreachable
[10:20] <Matt|> erik_, :)
[10:20] <hypa7ia> haha, um, let me give you another ip.... apparently my router isn't givng off pings
[10:20] <Matt|> Desolate, are you connecting to us through your wlan?
[10:21] <Desolate> yeah, right now I'm on a laptop connected through the established network
[10:21] <hypa7ia> Desolate: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:21] <Desolate> so the network is up and running
[10:21] <Matt|> Desolate, google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:21] <Matt|> Desolate, so the wireless card is working?
[10:21] <Desolate> well, it's an usb wireless adapter
[10:21] <Desolate> but yes
[10:22] <hypa7ia> Matt|: he's associated with his AP, so it should be
[10:22] <hypa7ia> could you ping the router Desolate
[10:22] <hypa7ia> Matt|: http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:22] <Desolate> I'm getting network is unreachable for all those
[10:23] <hypa7ia> maybe try doing ifdown then ifup?
[10:23] <Deviled> sladen: what now?
[10:23] <Desolate> alright, I've got one PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data
[10:23] <Desolate> rest are Destination Host Unreachable
[10:24] <zerokarmaleft> erik_, too bad rhythmbox doesn't have a burn playlist feature a la iTunes too :\
[10:24] <Matt|> Desolate, are you using a wire connection at the same time?
[10:24] <erik_> zerokarmaleft, yeah heh
[10:24] <erik_> I want ipod support in RB dammit
[10:24] <Matt|> RB?
[10:24] <erik_> rhythmbox
[10:24] <Desolate> nope Matt|
[10:24] <Matt|> Desolate, so you are connecting to us from a DIFFERENT computer?
[10:25] <Desolate> yes, I just said that :P
[10:25] <Desolate> [16:21]  <Desolate> yeah, right now I'm on a laptop connected through the established network
[10:25] <Desolate> I can't use the other pc, obviously
[10:25] <Desolate> the one that's running linux
[10:25] <Matt|> ok
[10:26] <Matt|> how are you getting an ip address?
[10:26] <hypa7ia> Desolate: if you are able to ping the router but not past it, is something maybe wrong witht he routher?
[10:26] <Desolate> automatically DHCP
[10:26] <sladen> Deviled: so your screen just randomly goes black
[10:26] <Matt|> k
[10:26] <Desolate> hypa7ia: I'm using it right now...
[10:26] <sladen> Deviled: if you turn the brightness up and peer closely (if it's a TFT), can you see anything?
[10:26] <Matt|> Desolate, you are using the wireless function of the router?
[10:27] <Desolate> yes
[10:27] <Desolate> let me paste what I got with ifup
[10:27] <Matt|> Desolate, have you got mac filtering enabled?
[10:27] <Desolate> sec
[10:27] <Deviled> sladen, no, it doesnt create a firefox profile, firefox starts, but i cant to nothing
[10:27] <dablitz> does anyone here know the correct way to add a splash screen to grub, I have looked around and found may different ways, but none seem to work
[10:27] <Deviled> sladen, *cant do anything
[10:28] <Matt|> dablitz, it is not supported yet in ubuntu i don't think. I've also tried but it didn't work
[10:28] <KingShawn> hello]
[10:28] <sladen> Deviled: does  Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace  or  Ctrl-Alt-Del  do anything?
[10:28] <KingShawn> does ubuntu have an installer?
[10:28] <KingShawn> the warty release
[10:28] <KingShawn> i just picke dit up
[10:28] <sladen> Deviled: does  Ctrl-Alt-F1  do anything?
[10:28] <gwildor_> KingShawn, yup
[10:29] <KingShawn> awesome
[10:29] <KingShawn> im gonna try it
[10:29] <tolstoya> folks: my kbd & mouse aren't properly loaded on hoary, smp.  I looked at modules.conf, it says, "man update-modules", but that page says update-modules is obsolete.  Where to look?
[10:29] <sladen> KingShawn: yes, Ubuntu has an installer.  It'd be hard to get on your system otherwise ;-)
[10:29] <KingShawn> sladen
[10:29] <KingShawn> well
[10:29] <KingShawn> try gentoo
[10:29] <KingShawn> ;P
[10:29] <gwildor_> sladen, haha
[10:29] <Matt|> sladen, gentoo
[10:29] <KingShawn> slackware
[10:29] <KingShawn> etc
[10:29] <KingShawn> netbsd
[10:29] <hypa7ia> KingShawn: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[10:29] <siimo> my root partition seems to have stuffed up can someone please help? i cannot boot :( fsck /dev/hda9 Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
[10:29] <Matt|> sladen, crux
[10:29] <hypa7ia> anyway, it's a great installer KingShawn
[10:29] <siimo> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9
[10:29] <siimo> :-(
[10:30] <KingShawn> that mean i should switch to ubuntu?
[10:30] <KingShawn> ;P
[10:30] <Matt|> KingShawn, give it a try
[10:30] <KingShawn> i will
[10:30] <KingShawn> i dont feel like installing my own stuff
[10:30] <Matt|> yeh
[10:30] <KingShawn> even though the portage is r0xor with gentoo
[10:30] <hypa7ia> ah, but apt is apt
[10:31] <hypa7ia> at what it does
[10:31] <Matt|> KingShawn, apt is much better
[10:31] <KingShawn> ya
[10:31] <KingShawn> easier too im sure
[10:31] <Matt|> portage really sucks for removing packages
[10:31] <KingShawn> ya thats why im looking to switch
[10:31] <KingShawn> i started with mandrake
[10:31] <pdaoust> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SPITE! does anyone have experience with courier-imap on Debian or Ubuntu?!?
[10:31] <sladen> hypa7ia: I thought that was going to be the picture of the motorbike, with a childs bicycle as the back wheel
[10:31] <KingShawn> now im addicted to trying every distro
[10:31] <hypa7ia> sladen: lol
[10:31] <Matt|> KingShawn, snap
[10:32] <hypa7ia> KingShawn: been there :-/
[10:32] <Matt|> KingShawn, it's better to pick one and learn tho
[10:32] <KingShawn> ya
[10:32] <hypa7ia> this laptop has seen:
[10:32] <KingShawn> well mandrake is easy
[10:32] <KingShawn> i just want something more
[10:32] <KingShawn> plus io had 9.1
[10:32] <wasabi_> I'm having a sound problem of some kind
[10:32] <KingShawn> which may not offer as much as 10
[10:32] <KingShawn> i dunno
[10:32] <hypa7ia> debian sarge, mandrake 10.1, suse 9.1, gentoo, FC2, and  now ubu
[10:32] <Matt|> KingShawn, mandrake is ok
[10:32] <xbill> Anyone had installed the last Nvidia package under Ubuntu ? 6629
[10:32] <wasabi_> My sound card isn't usable apparently.
[10:32] <pdaoust> Iiiiiii'm guessing that's a "no"...
[10:33] <hypa7ia> pdaoust: sorry :-/
[10:33] <pdaoust> :)
[10:33] <pdaoust> np
[10:33] <KingShawn> i definately dont want a knoppix base ddistro
[10:33] <KingShawn> i have several of those
[10:33] <Desolate> meh
[10:33] <KingShawn> ds
[10:33] <KingShawn> knoppix 3.2
[10:33] <erik_> hm
[10:33] <pdaoust> xbill: don't have an nVidia card myself; you having problems?
[10:33] <Matt|> Desolate, mac filtering?
[10:33] <KingShawn> feather
[10:33] <erik_> the gnome CD burner thing seems to be crap
[10:33] <erik_> two coasters now
[10:33] <Desolate> did you get that last paste, Matt| / hypa7ia?
[10:33] <gwildor_> erik_, what are you burning?
[10:34] <erik_> gwildor_, amd64 ubuntu iso
[10:34] <Matt|> no
[10:34] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119024 <-- ifup output
[10:34] <erik_> I assume the file is good because I downloaded it via torrent
[10:34] <KingShawn> so ubuntu is only 1 iso file right?
[10:34] <pdaoust> erik_: are you running the burning program as root?
[10:34] <gwildor_> KingShawn, yup
[10:34] <Desolate> and no, afaik mac filtering is not enabled
[10:34] <Matt|> Desolate, ouch that's out of my league
[10:34] <erik_> pdaoust, I just right clicked on the ISO and hit "burn"
[10:34] <erik_> so ... maybe?
[10:34] <erik_> I'm trying again with sudo cdrecord now
[10:35] <xbill> No, but I want to uppgrad eto the latest NVIDIA driver ... for DOOM3 increase performance :)
[10:35] <Desolate> mmh
[10:35] <KingShawn> koolness
[10:35] <KingShawn> i dont see the point of 3 isos
[10:35] <KingShawn> if you can fit it all in 1
[10:35] <KingShawn> ;)
[10:35] <pdaoust> erik_: hmmm, yeah, if you want to use Nautilus' ISO burner, it'd probably be best to go sudo nautilus /location/of/path
[10:35] <pdaoust> erik: and *then* right-click and "burn"
[10:35] <erik_> pdaoust, that's too bad
[10:35] <Desolate> hypa7ia?
[10:36] <Desolate> any ideas?
[10:36] <erik_> why is cd burning as non-root unstable?
[10:36] <gwildor_> to the person with the wireless problem, (im probably wrong ) maybe it isnt wlan0
[10:36] <pdaoust> erik_: it's less stable than root because root can renice the burning process to whatever it wants, thereby avoiding buffer underruns.
[10:36] <hypa7ia> Desolate: does iwconfig look similar to what it did before
[10:37] <pdaoust> erik_: (i.e., change the process priority)
[10:37] <erik_> pdaoust, ah.  didn't know cdrecord would renice itself
[10:38] <pdaoust> erik_: actually, I'm not sure if it does; maybe it just starts out with a high-priority value
[10:38] <Desolate> err, no, it doesn't hypa7ia :/
[10:38] <pdaoust> anyway, chaps, I'm off
[10:38] <hypa7ia> hrm.  i'd bet you
[10:38] <hypa7ia> erk
[10:39] <hypa7ia> you're not associated with the AP this time
[10:39] <Desolate> doesn't look like it
[10:40] <hypa7ia> le boo!
[10:40] <hypa7ia> Desolate: might be time to ask on the list.  they Know Stuff.
[10:40] <xaero> does Ubuntu have better AMD64 support than Debian-AMD64? More updated packages?
[10:40] <Desolate> alright
[10:40] <Desolate> will do
[10:40] <xaero> What gcc flags are used on the AMD64 packages?
[10:40] <Desolate> thanks for the help :)
[10:40] <gwildor_> erik_, burn ok now?
[10:41] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:41] <gwildor_> hihi
[10:41] <Matt|> Desolate, what did you change since it was associating before?
[10:41] <Desolate> well I did ifdown and ifup
[10:41] <hypa7ia> no problemo Desolate, sorry i couldn't do more
[10:41] <ben_> is there a way to make a "guest" account on ubuntu; so you don't need a password to use it?
[10:41] <dablitz> i can post my menu.lst, if someone can give me a hand
[10:42] <gwildor_> ?
[10:42] <Matt|> Desolate, "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart"
[10:42] <Matt|> gwildor_, he wants a splash screen with grub
[10:43] <gwildor_> Matt|, kk, I just didn't see any recent posts from him, soory
[10:43] <Matt|> np
[10:43] <wasabi_> My sound card isn't usable apparently. Things say no mixer elements found. I suspect it is somehow udev related
[10:43] <Matt|> gwildor_, it was a while ago
[10:43] <gwildor_> Matt|, I remember now
[10:43] <gwildor_> :)
[10:44] <xaero> Ordering Ubuntu CDs are 100% free, right?
[10:45] <Matt|> xaero, yes
[10:45] <gwildor_> yup
[10:45] <Chibi> Yes
[10:45] <xaero> good :)
[10:45] <gwildor_> I win
[10:45] <Matt|> someone help out wasabi!!
[10:45] <Chibi> I win >O
[10:45] <wasabi_> I figured it out
[10:45] <gwildor_> <---newb
[10:45] <Chibi> I was first!
[10:45] <wasabi_> reporting bug. ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> we were all in the same second
[10:45] <Matt|> wasabi, oh thanks!
[10:45] <Chibi> Well, true.
[10:45] <Matt|> good on ya
[10:45] <Chibi> >.>;
[10:45] <xaero> LOL i'm gonna order Ubuntu to Redmond ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> obviously everyone sees their own first
[10:45] <xaero> (MS)
[10:45] <Matt|> xaero, you live there?
[10:45] <gwildor_> Matt|, really?
[10:46] <Chibi> xaero- We're funded by a rich guy. :P
[10:46] <xaero> Matt|: to microsoft ;)
[10:46] <hypa7ia> yay mark!
[10:46] <Matt|> xaero, you work there?
[10:46] <xaero> no. -.-
[10:46] <xaero> no way
[10:46] <gwildor_> lol
[10:46] <xaero> you're hurting my feelings ;)
[10:46] <Matt|> aw come on. They pay well, and treat their employees well
[10:46] <xaero> well, dont u think Gates would be happy to have a shitload of Ubuntu CDs? =)
[10:47] <Matt|> he can download em
[10:47] <gwildor_> wonder what ms uses for servers, being as there stuff is so insecure
[10:47] <CoryK> gwildor_ they use windows
[10:47] <xaero> hehe
[10:47] <Matt|> gwildor_, obviously they use their own stuff
[10:47] <CoryK> twice in a week or 2 they had to take their ftp servers down
[10:47] <hypa7ia> gwildor_: remember when hotmail moved from FreeBSD to windows?
[10:47] <gwildor_> lol
[10:47] <Desolate> ok, I'm reconnected to the router, Matt|
[10:47] <Matt|> Desolate, jolly good
[10:47] <CoryK> after internal accounting files made their way to public ftp
[10:47] <gwildor_> Matt|, joke :)
[10:47] <Desolate> yeah, still no inet connection though :p
[10:48] <redemption> Hello
[10:48] <Matt|> Desolate, what is in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:48] <hypa7ia> hey redemption, how goes?
[10:50] <Desolate> Matt|: http://pastebin.com/119034
[10:50] <Desolate> oh and there's an "auto lo / iface lo inet loopback" above that
[10:51] <Matt|> Desolate, that is all fine
[10:51] <Matt|> you are getting an ip address, and you can ping the router... must be something wrong with the router
[10:52] <Desolate> sure about that first part?
[10:52] <redemption> Pretty good, yourself, Hypa7ia?
[10:52] <Desolate> where's the IP?
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, thought so
[10:52] <ogra> Daeso: ifconfig
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, ifconfig wlan-
[10:52] <Matt|> *0
[10:52] <Desolate> ah
[10:52] <Desolate> right
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, you can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:52] <Matt|> hi ogra
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: did you check /etc/resolv.conf ?
[10:53] <ogra> hi ;)
[10:53] <Desolate> nope, I can't
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, he can't ping ip address either apparently
[10:53] <hypa7ia> i'm rockin', redemption.  had some issues with a bunch of my domain names, got it sorted.  and got my internal wifi card working!
[10:53] <gwildor_> ogra, hello, bot
[10:53] <ogra> hi all
[10:53] <Matt|> yo
[10:53] <gwildor_> lol
[10:53] <redemption> hypa7ia: SWeet!  I know wifi cards can be a pain in the ass on linux.
[10:54] <Matt|> Desolate, gimme the url for ifconfig again?
[10:54] <hypa7ia> redemption: yeah :-/  it's one of the new intel ones, they;re actually making a driver for it... was just not mature enough last time i tried it
[10:54] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:54] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:54] <Matt|> no way
[10:55] <Matt|> he is just a silly hippy
[10:55] <Matt|> i'd like a word with Matt though
[10:55] <hypa7ia> silly hippy, no blunt for you
[10:55] <gwildor_> hehe
[10:55] <hypa7ia> heh, when i get my bot running, that's going in it :-)
[10:55] <redemption> hehe.
[10:55] <gwildor_> omg 5 mins
[10:56] <Matt|> Desolate, yeah looks all fine
[10:56] <Desolate> so, by all accounts, I should be able to connect to the internet via the linux machine
[10:56] <ogra> Desolate: route -n
[10:56] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[10:57] <Matt|> Desolate, i've compared it with mine: identical
[10:58] <Desolate> Kernel IP routing table
[10:58] <Desolate> Destination    Gateway    Genmask    Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[10:58] <Desolate> that's the route -n output
[10:58] <ogra> thats all ? lol
[10:58] <Desolate> yep
[10:59] <Matt|> that's not good
[10:59] <Echylo> can you set different backgrounds for different desktops?
[10:59] <ogra> Desolate: try if this workd.... sudo route add default wlan0
[10:59] <ogra> s
[10:59] <Matt|> Echylo, you mean different workspaces? don't think so
[10:59] <Echylo> ok
[10:59] <Desolate> aha
[11:00] <Echylo> nope
[11:00] <Matt|> Desolate, :)?
[11:00] <Echylo> other question
[11:00] <Echylo> how to launch another session :|
[11:00] <xenonite> hi, how can I manually set the DNS-Server-IP?
[11:00] <xenonite> oops i found it
[11:01] <Matt|> Echylo, what do you mean?
[11:01] <gwildor_> bye bye.......]
[11:01] <Echylo> well like 2 graphical sessions
[11:01] <Echylo> that you can tab with alt F*
[11:01] <pdaoust> xenonite: not sure; dhcp has always worked for me, so I'm a little weak in the world of networking ^_^
[11:01] <Matt|> oh
[11:01] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119035
[11:01] <Matt|> good question
[11:01] <xenonite> thanx!
[11:02] <ogra> Echylo: Applications->Systemtools-> New Login
[11:02] <Matt|> Echylo, try logging in in alt F2 and then starting your xserver
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Echylo: dive into a console ( ctrl-alt-F2 ) , login , startx -- :1
[11:02] <wasabi_> totem shoud not show a video area when it's playing music.
[11:02] <ogra> Desolate: sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:02] <ogra> Desolate: guessing your router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:02] <Matt|> ogra, nice one with the login
[11:03] <Desolate> yes, it is
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: install xnest *G*
[11:03] <Matt|> what is that?
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: "New Login in Window"
[11:03] <Desolate> alright, well now the second line has <IP_ADDRESS> for Gateway and UG for flags
[11:03] <Desolate> Destination is still 1.0
[11:04] <ogra> ping it
[11:04] <Echylo> thoreauputic, are you sure?
[11:04] <Echylo> startx --:1 ?
[11:04] <xaero> are the amd64 packages optimized for amd64?
[11:04] <wasabi_> Does Ubuntu have any sort of DDNS system for updating a DDNS supporting dns server when the address changes?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Echylo: startx -- :1  (spaces important)
[11:04] <wasabi_> not that dyndns crap, but real tsig
[11:04] <Desolate> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data, rest are destination host unreachable
[11:04] <teleyinex> hi
[11:04] <Echylo> is that a one?
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: I daresay that you would have to set that up yourself
[11:04] <teleyinex> i want to try the livecd
[11:05] <wasabi_> suck.
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Echylo: yep
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> teleyinex: then download it:)
[11:05] <ogra> Desolate: does pinging yourself work ?
[11:05] <teleyinex> i have burned it, and when im going to try i get this error: grub loading, please wait
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I don't use gdm here, so ymmv
[11:05] <teleyinex> error 21
[11:05] <teleyinex> what could be?
[11:05] <Echylo> now it works :)
[11:05] <xbill> IS there a clean installation of the latest NVIDIA 6629 f=driver under Ubuntu ... I don't want to destroy my linuxette with the NVIDIA-6629-SH installer
[11:05] <Desolate> ogra: <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:05] <teleyinex> cause with knoppix i dont have any problems
[11:05] <Desolate> works fine
[11:05] <ogra> Desolate: nope, the 192 address
[11:06] <Desolate> ah
[11:06] <ogra> wlan0
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Echylo: ctrl-alt-F7 to return
[11:06] <Desolate> works fine too
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> xbill: the nvidia drivers package is 6111 atm
[11:06] <ogra> Desolate: tge ESSID is right ?
[11:06] <ogra> h
[11:06] <Desolate> yes
[11:07] <Desolate> I'm connected to the router...
[11:07] <Matt|> the key?
[11:07] <Matt|> what card is it btw?
[11:07] <Desolate> it isn't
[11:07] <Desolate> :P
[11:07] <teleyinex> someone could help me?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: 42
[11:07] <socomm> Is there a way of up grading to hoary via apt?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: the answer is 4
[11:07] <Matt|> Desolate, ?
[11:07] <Desolate> it's a Wireless USB Adapter MN-510 (Microsoft)
[11:07] <SuperLag> 42, that is :)
[11:07] <Desolate> the router is a linksys though
[11:07] <teleyinex> what?
[11:07] <teleyinex> what do you mean with 4?
[11:07] <teleyinex> 4 what?
[11:07] <Matt|> Desolate, maybe WEP isn't supported yet?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: I'm just  being silly.  What's up?
[11:08] <teleyinex> ok
[11:08] <teleyinex> sry
[11:08] <thoreauputic> teleyinex: HGTG joke
[11:08] <SuperLag> socomm: edit /etc/apt/sources.list s/warty/hoary
[11:08] <teleyinex> so no one have had this problem, no?
[11:08] <Desolate> Matt|: well the network is running fine...
[11:09] <socomm> SuperL4g: Thanks.