[01:34] <LjL> watch drakejustice_
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> LjL: did you just remove mc44 when he wasn't even around?
[02:10] <LjL> tonyyarusso: as far as the rest of this IRC network knows, yeah, i guess he wasn't even around.
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> LjL: erm, okay...
[02:11] <Pici> tonyyarusso: LjL and mc44 have that kind of relationship
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> Pici: yeah, I figured
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Potentially powerful systems are really inefficient when doing very simple tasks.
[02:13] <LjL> tonyyarusso: like?=
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I'm trying to implement a Facebook version of the Ubuntu 7.10 Countdown thingy.
[02:14] <LjL> tonyyarusso: ok, i have no idea what facebook even is, so forget i even asked.
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> LjL: wow, you live in a cave, don't you?
[02:15] <jdong> tonyyarusso: I side with LjL on this one
[02:15] <LjL> tonyyarusso: no, i'd love to though
[02:15] <UbuntuRules> Hello.
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> http://www.facebook.com/, only the most-talked-about web site in the US vicinity over the last year or two.
[02:15] <LjL> a cave with fiber optics connections if possible
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> hehe, that would be nice
[02:15] <LjL> UbuntuRules: hi, what can we do to you?
[02:15] <UbuntuRules> Some ljl op is infringing on my first amendment freedom of speech rights in #ubuntu
[02:15] <LjL> ahem?
[02:15] <UbuntuRules> Oh, hi LjL.
[02:16] <LjL> i haven't been in #ubuntu for like 3 hours
[02:16] <LjL> well, not speaking at least.
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> a sec
[02:16] <UbuntuRules> I got banned when I gave link http://pastebin.ca/727389 (don't click)
[02:16] <LjL> aaaaaaah, you're that one.
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> UbuntuRules: http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/politics/what-free-speech-isnt/
[02:16] <LjL> bye
[02:16] <jdong> WHOA.
[02:16] <UbuntuRules> ?
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> UbuntuRules: You don't have first amendment rights in #ubuntu.
[02:16] <jdong> UbuntuRules: why shouldn't you get banned for that?
[02:17] <LjL> UbuntuRules: how come *now* you're saying "don't click"?
[02:17] <LjL> and you didn't in #ubuntu?
[02:17] <jdong> UbuntuRules: and who gave you first ammendment rights on someone else's network?
[02:17] <UbuntuRules> Because it was humor.
[02:17] <LjL> yeah, well, you know, humor depends on the beholder
[02:17] <UbuntuRules> LjL: Because it got me banned before.
[02:17] <LjL> i find certain things humor that you most likely don't find humor
[02:17] <LjL> for instance
[02:17] <UbuntuRules> Come on. :
[02:18] <LjL> i find this humor
[02:18] <jdong> that is pretty funny :)
[02:18] <LjL> yeah. now though, i think he should have his first what-it's-called rights back
[02:20] <jdong> that was probably the most amusing one I've seen in a while :)
[02:20] <jdong> walks in..... waah ljl's being a bastard..... oh oops hi ljl!
[02:20] <LjL> the fact that i'm kinda drunk probably helps
[02:20] <LjL> otherwise, i'm sure i'd have made a boring review of his ban
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> "don't drink and kickban"?
[02:21] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'm against such prohibitionism.
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[02:26] <LjL> i hope he doesn't rejoin, i could say things i'd regret later
[02:26] <LjL> well, i'm lying, i hope he rejoins
[02:28] <Jucato> Tm_T, stdin: ping? I thought wii/xp_killer/Mii was banned in #kubuntu?
[02:29] <Tm_T> he is
[02:29] <Jucato> he's there
[02:30] <LjL> Tm_T: lousy hostmask you chose
[02:30] <Tm_T> LjL: I did chose nothing
[02:30] <wii> wait someone helping me to install drivers for my nvidia
[02:30] <LjL> Tm_T: then your client is lousy
[02:31] <Tm_T> wii: no we dont wait
[02:31] <LjL> wii, there's a nice tutorial at !nvidia
[02:31] <wii> when he finish helping me then u can banned me
[02:31] <LjL> right - *banned* you, in the past tense.
[02:31] <LjL> it's already happened.
[02:31] <wii> Tm_T: the tuto maid me had to reinstall my linux
[02:32] <wii> Tm_T: stdin that show me the tuto
[02:32] <LjL> yeah, that's a nice solution for everything, reinstalling
[02:32] <Tm_T> Jucato: thanks
[02:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: sure. kinda disturbing being literally the first thing you see in the morning on logging in :)
[02:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: exactly )(
[02:33] <LjL> morning?
[02:33] <wii> LjL: then when i reinstall they say i does evade the banned
[02:33] <LjL> either you have worse sleeping patterns than i have, or you are *far* away.
[02:34] <LjL> wii: yeah, you were banned, you were supposed to stay banned
[02:34] <LjL> you know, a ban is a ban
[02:34] <wii> ah ok
[02:34] <wii> for how long?
[02:34] <LjL> until such time we decide to review (if ever)
[02:35] <LjL> if i'm not too much mistaken
[02:35] <wii> i'm in the midle of this xorg thig witch i dont understand is something goes wrong i'll have to reinstall linux again
[02:35] <LjL> you don't *have* to reinstall linux. you have a backup copy of xorg.conf, at least i hope you do. you can restore that.
[02:35] <LjL> VESA mode is fun to work with.
[02:36] <LjL> you know, actually seeing the windows redrawing... it's interesting.
[02:36] <wii> Tm_T: give me time to finish configuring this thing to restart the x server then u can banned me
[02:36] <Tm_T> LjL: I woke up 0250
[02:36] <LjL> ban, wii, the verb is ban. banned is the paste tense.
[02:37] <Tm_T> wii: you should have thought that before gaining any bans
[02:37] <wii> LjL: the last time i try to restor the xorg it wasnt working stdin was telling me how to do it
[02:37] <LjL> Tm_T: i still cannot see how it can be morning *now*
[02:37] <Tm_T> LjL: well it is not morning :(
[02:37] <Tm_T> 0337
[02:37] <LjL> Tm_T: yeah, you're one fuse ahead.
[02:38] <LjL> wii, it's a cp. cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:38] <LjL> or whatever the backup it's called.
[02:38] <wii> o.O
[02:38] <LjL> oh, and don't forget sudo.
[02:38] <Tm_T> LjL: hmm, youre going to support here?
[02:38] <LjL> Tm_T: i can't help, it's automatix.
[02:38] <wii> i'm a noob how i'm i sopose to understand what u telling me?explain ass u will to a child
[02:38] <wii> please
[02:39] <LjL> just like typing automatix is automatix when i try to type automatix
[02:39] <wii> :/
[02:39] <LjL> wii: i'd tell a child to leave computers alone
[02:39] <wii> it's best when we lurn from young
[02:40] <LjL> that's true, but it's best when you learn by yourself
[02:40] <LjL> do you think i had the interwebs on my C64? no, i didn't. i didn't know what a modem was.
[02:40] <LjL> so, go disconnect your funky ethernet card and write some BASIC.
[02:41] <wii> Tm_T: i forgot to save my conversation whit the person who was explaning how to install the right driver for my nv 6200.can u past my conv from when i started talking to him?
[02:41] <LjL> !logs
[02:41] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I had a C64 :)
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> LjL: the "executive portable" version
[02:41] <LjL> sorry, that was excessive, i should have merely poked your 53281
[02:42] <LjL> oooh.
[02:42] <LjL> i had the version that couldn't read cassettes properly.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Cassettes?
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Mine had cartridges and floppies.
[02:43] <LjL> tonyyarusso, go away, i'm not speaking with you.
[02:43] <Tm_T> LjL: IIRC you have the power =)
[02:43] <LjL> or at least, come back after saving the same program to the same tape 10 times without realizing the tape will eventually wear out.
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> heh
[02:44] <wii> LjL: i dont see my conv in the log
[02:44] <LjL> wii: wait a little, they're not real time.
[02:44] <wii> k
[02:44] <LjL> Tm_T: are you muting me or what?
[02:44] <Tm_T> hrhr
[02:44] <wii> how long do i have to wait?
[02:44] <LjL> do a favor to humanity and mute me.
[02:45] <LjL> wii: an hour or so i guess
[02:45] <wii> o.O
[02:45] <wii> ok i'm going to watch some cartoons
[02:45] <LjL> wii: if you're to be treated like a child, besides, specifically a french child, i think you should be in bed.
[02:45] <LjL> for that matter.
[02:46] <Tm_T> <3
[02:46] <wii> that was not funny
[02:46] <Tm_T> ...
[02:46] <LjL> neither was that
[02:47] <Tm_T> ok?
[02:47] <LjL> hm, well, i was having fun, but if you insist
[02:47] <Tm_T> I do
[02:47] <Tm_T> after his k-line
[02:47] <LjL> what did he do to get klined?
[02:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: you are also banning him by his ident. he can just change his iden't and he'll still come in (afaik)
[02:48] <Tm_T> LjL: after collecting enough bans he started to search channels he wasnt banned yet to his troll
[02:48] <Tm_T> Jucato: I know
[02:49] <LjL> Jucato: hello mr obvious!
[02:49] <LjL> what do you propose banning? :P
[02:49] <LjL> but tm_t refuse to force him
[02:49] <LjL> s/se/sed/
[02:50] <LjL> i put 'sed' in a sed command, yay
[02:50] <jdong> LjL: using sed to correct sed
[02:50] <jdong> :)
[02:50] <jdong> how masturbatory.
[02:50] <Tm_T> jdong: well its LjL
[02:50] <jdong> Tm_T: pfft he has fiber, he doesn't need to even do that.
[02:51] <jdong> I'd trade up those rights to get fiber :)
[02:51] <LjL> jdong: you'd trade a public IP address?
[02:51] <LjL> i can't even receive a stupid DCC transfer.
[02:51] <jdong> LjL: on second thought, nah, I'm keeping my class A block :D
[02:51] <LjL> and my fiber is slower than people's dsls. they say they do 20mbits.
[02:52] <LjL> my fiber does 10, half duplex
[02:52] <jdong> LjL: oh, I assumed it's some magical gigabit thing
[02:52] <jdong> guess I'm better off maxing out my 100mbit then :)
[02:52] <LjL> yeah sure. well, at least it stays online
[02:52] <Amaranth> LjL: wow my cable is faster than that
[02:52] <Amaranth> doesn't stay online though, my router is broken and i'm cheap
[02:52] <LjL> now don't make my feel depressed.
[02:53] <LjL> s/my/me/
[02:53] <LjL> yeah well for that matter, while the net is reliable, the phone is crap, and so is the iptv
[02:53] <LjL> which, incidentally, takes away half of the bandwidth - and i don't even watch it
[02:53] <Amaranth> wow
[02:53] <Amaranth> verizon?
[02:54] <LjL> i do somehow feel some sort of revengeful happiness when i start downloading at 800k/s while somebody is watching tv
[02:54] <LjL> Amaranth, i'm in italy, there is no verizon.
[02:54] <Amaranth> heheh
[02:54] <Amaranth> well you just described verizon's setup so i was confused
[02:54] <LjL> it's fastweb, the only fiber provider there is here. all the others are DSL - we never had any cable
[02:55] <LjL> i mean, we never had any cable for TV either
[02:55] <LjL> in my block, apparently, we don't even have an antenna, given that we can watch tv better with an indoor one, than by connecting to the so called "antenna" socket.
[02:56] <LjL> problem is, whenever someone opens the fridge / goes to the kitchen / a train passes, there goes tv.
[02:56] <LjL> actually, i suspect birds on the balcony also break the signal.
[03:03] <jdong> wii in #-desktop
[03:04] <jdong> 21:04 < wii> everything is a little to big
[03:04] <jdong> that's... what... she... said.....
[03:04] <LjL> i didn't even know there was a channel like that
[03:04] <jdong> forgive me the new season of the office just started :)
[03:05] <rob> that's technically evading a kline, he probably just has a dynamic ip
[03:05] <LjL> yeah that he does
[03:05] <LjL> i've possibly evaded a kline too once, although perhaps it was just removed
[03:09] <jdong> you know, if he was willing to follow instructions and put half a braincell into it, I would actually help him at this point...
[03:09] <jdong> but I get the feeling I'd just be totally wasting my time
[03:09] <LjL> i'm not in the state of mind to help him really
[03:09] <LjL> but i probably would
[03:09] <LjL> wouldn't be the first time i help somebody even *i* had just banned
[03:10] <LjL> any rate, i don't believe the folks in #ubuntu-desktop appreciate the nuisance
[03:11] <LjL> he certainly does know how to find IRC channels
[03:11] <rob> should I just boot him out again?
[03:11] <LjL> even though he doesn't have a clue how to edit a text file
[03:11] <rob> tell him to go to #ubuntu
[03:12] <LjL> rob, that's your take, we only ban people from *ubuntu* channels.
[03:12] <rob> -desktop is a ubuntu channel
[03:12] <rob> #ubuntu* are ubuntu channels
[03:13] <LjL> yeah, but i don't have access in there... but as long as he stops talking, that's not even the point
[03:13] <rob> he is much more likely to get help in #ubuntu, but I'm off
[03:13] <LjL> *you* should decide whether he's being a troll on the network-wide side of things
[03:13] <LjL> i'm not sure he isn't banned in #ubuntu
[03:15] <LjL> actually, i think he isn't, i was the last one who banned him but i unbanned him later.
[03:17] <LjL> thing is really, one part of me still thinks he (as many others) is just a clueless user who can't really relation with people on irc
[03:17] <jdong> LjL: yeah, I think.
[03:18] <LjL> another part, the rational one, thinks he's a troll just like many others who sit in a channel of their own laughing about us
[03:19] <LjL> tell him to ask in #ubuntu if you like. i'm not even gonna ban him right now if he doesn't go too far.
[03:20] <jdong> LjL: I'd be interested in seeing how he takes a second life.
[03:20] <LjL> he's already had at least two, one as xp_killer and one as wii, but well :)
[03:21] <jdong> well... third life then :D
[03:21] <jdong> give him the whole "now promise to be a good little french twit and we'll let you in again"
[03:24] <LjL> jdong: i'm not sure tm_t concurs, but as long as he isn't looking.
[03:24] <LjL> oh wait, i just pinged him.
[03:27] <jdong> 21:26 [msg(wii)]  please hold on a second...
[03:27] <jdong> 21:26 [msg(wii)]  we (the ops ) are talking about letting you back into #ubuntu  to receive help....
[03:27] <jdong> 21:26 [msg(wii)]  this topic is off channel iun the -desktop channel and will  not help your cause...
[03:27] <jdong> 21:27 [msg(wii)]  I ask for a moment of your patience, please.
[03:27] <jdong> ^^ so are we gonna let him?
[03:27] <jdong> "this topic is off channel"
[03:27] <jdong> wow I need sleep too...
[03:28] <LjL> jdong: are you sure he *is* banned from #ubuntu?
[03:29] <LjL> jdong: he's banned from #kubuntu, but unless he changed more IPs than i can find on the tracker, he's free to join #ubuntu
[03:29] <jdong> lemme ask him if he's able to join
[03:29] <jdong> I'm not looking through a list of 400+ bans :D
[03:29] <LjL> neither am i... i have a search function, but that doesn't seem to find him.
[03:30] <LjL> wait, he's probably banned.
[03:30] <Pici> I think his ident used to be garfield
[03:30] <LjL> hmm well but then again, no he isn't
[03:30] <LjL> he'd be technically ban evading
[03:31] <jdong> well I don't want my irrational niceness to piss off any staffers... I can just handle him over in #ubuntuforums if that's easier?
[03:31] <LjL> but his current ip isn't banned as far as my drunk brain can see
[03:31] <LjL> jdong, if he can join, he can join period, nobody will be pissed off
[03:32] <LjL> if he *can't* join, then that's another matter, as i'm not sure i'd remove a ban set by someone else on someone like him
[03:33] <jdong> well I've been unable to get a response from him in /query....
[03:34] <LjL> i've just registered #kubuntu-ops, after being highlighted in #kubuntu. forwards to here.
[03:34] <LjL> jdong: he joined though
[03:34] <jdong> LjL: see it, I'm on it
[03:35] <jdong> here it goes, wish me luck :)
[03:39] <jdong> oh CRAP it's not a trivial problem either :)
[03:40] <LjL> i'd say "i told you so", but then again i never told you so
[03:41] <ubotu> vocx called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:55] <jdong> 21:54  * wii if i i had a million dallars will will be glad to give it all away to jdong :)
[03:55] <jdong> ah, and I feel redeemed :)
[04:33] <Tm_T> jdong: LjL: IIRC wii is currently "ban on sight" person
[05:02] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: hey you
[05:17] <jdong> Tm_T: I have my nice helpful moods though ;-)
[05:32] <ubotu> dystopianray called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:32] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:34] <ubotu> dystopianray called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:34] <jdong> yeah.... should get rid of marin....
[05:47] <jdong> Hobbsee!!!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hiya jdong!
[05:47] <jdong> lol
[05:47] <jdong> I hope that makes you feel better :D
[05:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:02] <RoC_MasterMind> OK this "your router has a bug is annoying"
[06:02] <RoC_MasterMind> How do I get it to join #ubuntu?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> RoC_MasterMind: go to #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested
[06:03] <RoC_MasterMind> right
[06:03] <RoC_MasterMind> this *is* ubuntu ops
[06:03] <thoreauputic> RoC_MasterMind: it's a security issue - you need to use a different port
[06:03] <thoreauputic> oops
[06:03] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[06:04] <RoC_MasterMind> I did what it said
[06:04] <RoC_MasterMind> It's not a security issue, it's an annoyance issue.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> RoC_MasterMind: sorry, lost track of which chan I was looking at
[06:04] <RoC_MasterMind> anyway, I have irc.freenode.net/8001 listed...but obviously that's not working
[06:04] <RoC_MasterMind> shouldn't it be :8001?
[06:04] <nalioth> thoreauputic: have you tested RoC_MasterMind ?
[06:05] <RoC_MasterMind> oh please do
[06:05] <thoreauputic> nalioth: no, I don't know the method
[06:05] <RoC_MasterMind> yeah I'm still here
[06:05] <thoreauputic> nalioth: never had to do it...
[06:05] <RoC_MasterMind>  Received a malformed DCC request from nalioth.
[06:05] <RoC_MasterMind> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND WAAA....../
[06:06] <RoC_MasterMind> I can't get on #ubuntu still though
[06:06] <nalioth> RoC_MasterMind: patience  :)
[06:06] <nalioth> you can join #ubuntu now and thanks for your patience  :)
[06:06] <RoC_MasterMind> Is there some kind of mask your adding?
[06:07] <jdong> any faster, and nalioth would need a script to automatically test and unban :D
[06:07] <RoC_MasterMind> ahh
[06:07] <Tm_T> =)
[06:07] <jdong> which would be an interesting perl endeavor
[06:07] <RoC_MasterMind> alright, let me close out and come back...see if I get locked out agaijn
[06:08] <RoC_MasterMind> oh noes!
[06:08] <RoC_MasterMind> I'm still an Ubuntu Outsider.
[06:08] <RoC_MasterMind> poor me.
[06:10] <nalioth> thoreauputic: can you see where RoC_MasterMind is banned?
[06:11] <RoC_MasterMind>
[06:14] <thoreauputic> RoC_MasterMind: you still can't join ?
[06:14] <RoC_MasterMind> * #ubuntu #ubuntu-read-topic :Forwarding to another channel
[06:15] <RoC_MasterMind> no sir
[06:16] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, dasnipa said: ubotu: kevinf311 is liking boy bottoms
[06:18] <thoreauputic> RoC_MasterMind: try now
[06:19] <RoC_MasterMind> yay
[06:19] <RoC_MasterMind> what was that?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> removed your ban
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: yeees?
[06:47] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: just wanted to tell you that I really liked your blog post about freedom of speech
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: oh, thanks :)
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> now if only I had as much grasp on PHP as constitutional law...
[06:48] <Tm_T> =)
[07:04] <jdong> grr, if I want an imap server to serve mail to myself via IMAP (possibly with SSL support), what IMAP server do I want?
[07:05] <jdong> I'm guessing dovecot?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> !automatix
[08:02] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:03] <nalioth> hi Hobbsee
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hi nalioth
[08:03] <nalioth> what brought that on, Hobbsee?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> nalioth: just needed the URL for a forums thread
[08:04] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3470669&postcount=1 etc
[08:05] <nalioth> ubuntuforums sends my blood pressure up the wall
[08:05] <nalioth> automatix does the same
[08:06] <nalioth> not sure i can handle an UF post re automatix
[08:06] <Tm_T> =)
[08:06] <jdong> urgh, ANOTHER automatix thread?
[08:07] <nalioth> that makes absolutely no sense, Hobbsee
[08:07] <nalioth> but then again, logic has never stopped the crap-o-matix team before
[08:07] <Hobbsee> nalioth: oh, i thought i'd just comment on the fact that it wasnt in a developer-related place.
[08:07] <Hobbsee> nalioth: they probably are hearing about the fact that they cant reprot bugs if automatix is installed
[08:07] <Hobbsee> unsure if they can upgrade, either
[08:08] <nalioth> crapomatix is a pretty neat 'tool to dead-end your Ubuntu'
[08:08] <rob> there is this microsoft shill magazine here that keeps recommending automatix despite my constant emails to the editor advising not to do so, we had a running dialog for a bit and he acknowledged how bad automatix is, but yet the very next issue they are still recommending it..
[08:08] <rob> they said they were going to print the letter I sent in, didn't happen.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> hm, it doesnt mention by name that they cant upgrade
[08:09] <nalioth> did you tell him that as of Feisty, the functionality is built into Ubuntu, rob?
[08:09] <jdong> Hobbsee: to be fair from what the guy has said so far, it sounds like good intentions.... curious how far it'll be taken.
[08:09] <rob> nalioth, yes, several times.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jdong: good intentions, sure, but he's still no where near the right place :P
[08:09] <nalioth> if arnieboy has any say, it'll be taken in a whole different direction
[08:09] <jdong> Hobbsee: agreed, but the new *attitude* alone is worth a second look :)
[08:09] <rob> nalioth, they even wrote an article on how to get codecs and things without automatix, but the issue after that they were back to recommending automatix again
[08:09] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> so i figured i'd hit them with that report on it
[08:10] <jdong> Hobbsee: IMO Automatix's main problem is their head developer's communication/relationship skills....
[08:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:10] <Hobbsee> true
[08:10] <jdong> Hobbsee: I have no idea whether or not they are "under new management" but that'd be a great step forward
[08:11] <jdong> Hobbsee: until we get things like libdvdcss and w32codecs and medibuntu-unlocked ffmpeg as a part of our standard repos and have ubuntu-restricted-extras install them, there will remain the need for 3rd party repos to provide that stuff
[08:12] <rob> if you are wondering who wrote the uncyclopedia article about Ubuntu, especially all the stuff bagging out automatix, that was me (not the original article, but I contributed most of the good stuff), I really dislike automatix.
[08:12] <nalioth> aaahhh, i shouldn't have clicked "see full thread"
[08:12] <jdong> Hobbsee: interestingly, Opensuse 10.3 provides ALL the above things 2 clicks away... Maybe we can try to do that some day
[08:12] <Hobbsee> jdong: oh i know
[08:12] <rob> even if automatix didn't exist, medibuntu does a much better job anyway.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> jdong: they dont care what's legal and what isnt, though.
[08:12] <jdong> rob: agreed, we just need a "medibuntu metapackage" sort of thing
[08:12] <Hobbsee> remember, they have the MS deal and such
[08:13] <jdong> Hobbsee: opensuse? I disagree.... their lawyers are QUITE anal about North American law...
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jdong: then i dont know how some of their codec stuff got in
[08:13] <jdong> Hobbsee: this used to be the distribution that shipped only PCM headerless WAV and OGG by default :)
[08:13] <rob> jdong, yep, that would be very nice indeed
[08:13] <Hobbsee> unless it's a wrapper or something
[08:13] <nalioth> there are only two things i had to install on i386 gutsy that were not in the repos
[08:13] <jdong> Hobbsee: it's from their "website" via a ".zyp" script
[08:13] <nalioth> libdvdcss2 and w32codecs
[08:13] <jdong> Hobbsee: which is similar to apt-url
[08:13] <nalioth> i got them both via googling and use the fancy 'click-on-the-deb' thingy to install them
[08:14] <jdong> Hobbsee: but their codec buddy thing (almost functionally identical to ours) searches in the opensuse wiki for codecs, and then you click the right codec and it links the package manager to a new repo URL
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> gdebi was a huge step forward, that's for sure
[08:14] <jdong> Hobbsee: we can easily/legally do a very similar thing :)
[08:15] <jdong> AFAIK shipping in our codec installer a script that enables Medibuntu doesn't put Ubuntu in any legal problems
[08:15] <Hobbsee> jdong: ah right, yeah.
[08:16] <tonyyarusso> (PHP anyone?)
[08:16] <jdong> (after all, we already ship a libdvdcss2 installer script tucked away in /usr/doc!)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> indeed.  adn debian *still* didnt fix tehir package, when i sent my fixing changes back.
[08:18] <jdong> I'll file a wishlist bug on Medibuntu for them to override ubuntu-restricted-extras with a slightly newer version, that installs w32codecs/libdvdcss
[08:18] <jdong> IMO that's a sane solution for a workaround while we get built-in codec fetchers worked out :D
[08:20] <Hobbsee> jdong: eww.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> OTOH, u-r-e could just enable the medibuntu repos for that, and grab the codecs there too
[08:21] <Tm_T> true
[08:21] <jdong> Hobbsee: that works too
[08:21] <jdong> Hobbsee: though we are past the stage with Gutsy where we can actually do that....
[08:21] <jdong> Hobbsee: but Medibuntu doesn't have such restrictions
[08:21] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[08:21] <Tm_T> throw file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or whatever it was
[08:21] <jdong> Hobbsee: I don't see any technical harm in in slightly incrementing ure's version number as not to break upgrades
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jdong: except for the fact that i plan tomake another uplaod of it
[08:22] <Hobbsee> and epoch's are evil.
[08:22] <jdong> Hobbsee: that just means they'll have to increment again.... and we'll ALL be happy when Gutsy finally freezes up :)
[08:22] <jdong> Hobbsee: I mean, they do the same thing with ffmpeg already
[08:23] <jdong> every time Ubuntu uploads, they have to bump and rebuild
[08:23] <Hobbsee> yuck.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> might make sense to epoch, then.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> in some cases
[08:25] <jdong> Hobbsee: well the case of ffmpeg is worse in my mind than ure.... if Medibuntu URE gets upgraded to Gutsy URE, it'll simply cause the extra codecs to show up in the autoremove list....
[08:25] <jdong> Hobbsee: while if medibuntu ffmpeg goes to official ffmpeg, the ffmpeg command will lose several encoders
[08:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[08:25] <jdong> Hobbsee: bottom line, when Gutsy releases all of this should be a nonissue, barring security updates
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149721 in medibuntu "Override ubuntu-restricted-extras with a newer version, installing more codecs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149721
[08:26] <Tm_T> nalioth: I compile my own xinelibs =)
[08:26] <jdong> Tm_T: well... I try to apparmor anything that moves or breathes.
[08:26] <jdong> rofl :)
[08:27] <Tm_T> nalioth: I do, for Amarok and Kaffeine (dvb)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:32] <jdong> wow... these old e-mails are quite nostalgia-inducing....
[10:43] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[11:21] <stdin> wow, I didn't expect to still be +o in #ubuntu
[11:28] <ikonia> flattering
[12:10] <nickren> hey
[12:11] <nickren> unban me
[12:11] <nickren> hello
[12:12] <stdin> why were you banned?
[12:12] <nickren> apperently the general ubuntu support is limited to some topic that i can't understand
[12:12] <nickren> some gnomefreak did it
[12:13] <nickren> although that kinda defuncts the word general
[12:14] <nickren> I mean i can just release my ip from my router and then reconnect as a new IP but it seems stupid i should have to do that
[12:15] <nickren> so can you unban me
[12:15] <nickren> from two channels
[12:15] <stdin> you were offtopic and abusing the operators. did you not expect a ban?
[12:17] <nickren> the channel is #ubuntu , how am i offtopic, anything relating to ubuntu should be acceptable, damn man we work on computer but we are not computers ourselves.
[12:17] <nickren> why does a few lines in an irc at 4:30 am thats offtopic mean a ban anyway
[12:18] <stdin> it may have been 4:30am for you, but others are in different timezones
[12:19] <nickren> so no, I do not expect to get banned, i guess i go to channels with a little less iron fist on the chat.
[12:19] <stdin> in any case, you'll have to wait until gnomefreak is around
[12:19] <nickren> true it they are but that chat was dead anyway
[12:20] <nickren> what did a few questions about XGL in the official ubuntu chat warrant a part from the channel and then a ban
[12:20] <nickren> why is that
[12:21] <nickren> your an op
[12:21] <stdin> because the ban wasn't set by me
[12:22] <ikonia> nickren: just hang around gor gnomefreek, you where banned yesterday where you not
[12:22] <nickren> yes
[12:22] <ikonia> your called people offensive names
[12:22] <ikonia> it wasn't off-topic it was because you where rude and offensive
[12:22] <nickren> i called him a...................what was it, it  was fitting
[12:22] <ikonia> it wasn't fitting, it was rude, offesnive and bad language and uncalled for
[12:23] <nickren> now i wasn't rude until he parted me from the channel
[12:23] <ikonia> he spoke to you politly
[12:23] <ikonia> you abused him
[12:25] <nickren> i abused him, if words throw stones then humanity is truly lost
[12:25] <ikonia> yes, offesnive language is abuse
[12:26] <stdin> there are rules and guidelines in all ubuntu channels, you should review them
[12:26] <stdin> !guidelines
[12:26] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:26] <stdin> !CoC
[12:26] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[12:26] <ikonia> if you can't speak to someone without using offensive language and name calling - then you are truly lost, not humanity.
[12:29] <nickren> i can as long as they have little respect
[12:29] <ikonia> he spoke to you politly and you kept going on off topic so he kicked you
[12:29] <ikonia> then you came back abusive
[12:30] <nickren> whatever, forget it, i'l  grab a new ip later and until then i will use da wiki's
[12:30] <ikonia> poor
[01:07] <stdin> +1 ops should watch ChildX in there, he's just got banned from #ubuntu
[01:08] <stdin> nvm, he left
[01:40] <stdin> woot, 24 hours of oppage :)
[01:42] <Seeker`> :O
[01:43] <stdin> in #ubuntu
[01:44] <jrib> why?
[01:44] <jpatrick> aren't you suppose to deop after a period of time?
[01:44] <stdin> see, if I deop, I can't re-op
[01:44] <jrib> oh
[01:58] <AndrewB> stdin: why not?
[01:59] <stdin> AndrewB: not on the access list
[02:44] <Hobbsee> heads up on dsl244-251.lj1.volja.net
[02:44] <Hobbsee> (childx)
[02:50] <joejaxx> is there anyway to stop certain people from spamming my pm with ubotu pms?
[02:50] <joejaxx> actually i guess i could just ignore ubotu all together
[02:50] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: bot admisn can force ubotu to ignore certain people
[03:23] <ubotu> In ubotu, jokoon said: what is gksudo
[03:28] <jpatrick> common quesiton for newbies..
[03:43] <ubotu> In ubotu, jdong said: jdong is 1n ur ub0tu sp@mming ur fact0ids
[03:43] <joejaxx> lol jdong
[03:43] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:44] <jdong> :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> !jdong | jdong
[03:44] <ubotu> jdong: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[03:44] <joejaxx> Lol @ that
[03:45] <joejaxx> oh right speaking of which time for the daily Uploader update
[03:45] <Hobbsee> even mid-kernel update?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> would have been nice for slangasek to get it all out earlier, but i shoved him when i saw him
[03:46] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:46] <joejaxx> well i will keep running this until the indefinite freeze
[03:46] <jdong> hmm, evolution doesnt' seem to scale up to 35,000 e-mails all that happily.
[03:46] <joejaxx> then i will create one for hardy
[04:01] <joejaxx> all updated
[04:40] <Hobbsee> we should make a factoid about the kernel updates
[04:40] <Hobbsee> seeing as apparently, no one's heard of them before
[04:41] <jrib> kernel?  like popcorn?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:43] <Hobbsee> jrib: find me some words please
[04:44] <Hobbsee> !kernel
[04:44] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:45] <Hobbsee> !kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  The kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  This is normal
[04:45] <ubotu> But kernel already means something else!
[04:46] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  The kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary
[04:46] <Hobbsee> versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:46] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> !stages
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stages - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <Hobbsee> !stages is <reply> The Ubuntu Kernel  gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[04:47] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is  the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:47] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !no stages is <reply> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:48] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:52] <jrib> "Also see !stages" in !kernel?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> that's a good idea
[04:53] <Hobbsee> is kevlarsoul on the banlist?  nick looks familiar
[04:54] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is  the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stags
[04:54] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:54] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is  the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages
[04:54] <Hobbsee> would help if i could spell.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> !no kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages
[04:54] <Pumpernickel> o_o
[06:10] <stdin> ChildX was banned in #ubuntu earlier today, now he's back with a different IP
[06:13] <stdin> he'll probably start swearing to get attention again soon
[06:15] <LjL> if only i could access the tracker
[06:16] <stdin> you can't ?
[06:17] <LjL> done it now
[06:17] <LjL> it always takes a *few* attempts
[06:17] <stdin> ah
[06:17] <LjL> stdin: i see he's already been banned *twice*, once by you and once by hobbsee
[06:17] <LjL> and once in #ubuntu+1
[06:18] <LjL> i'd say he can just be banned again without waiting
[06:18] <stdin> ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do you think?
[06:19] <LjL> i think "childx" alone is an uncommon enough ident.
[06:19] <stdin> well, that should work too :)
[06:24] <LjL> stdin, with three-letters idents and such things, you'd be right. it already happened that the wrong people got banned by that.
[06:24] <LjL> but childx... i believe it should be fine.
[06:24] <stdin> yeah, I get it now :)
[08:30] <ubotu> soundray called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:31] <nalioth> stdin: are we repelling boarders?
[08:32] <stdin> huh?
[08:32] <nalioth> you are opped in #ubuntu
[08:33] <stdin> hmm, still
[08:33] <Seeker`> stdin: how long now?
[08:33] <stdin> I just haven't deoped
[08:33] <stdin> Seeker`: verry
[08:33] <Seeker`> :P
[08:34] <stdin> ~30 hours now
[08:34] <ubot3> Factoid 30 hours now not found
[08:35] <nalioth> is there something here i'm not aware of?
[08:35] <stdin> if the #u ops want me to deop let me know (or you can deop me too)
[08:35] <stdin> nalioth: was oped a while ago (long while) by hobbsee because she needed help
[08:36] <nalioth> when not using the P0wah, please deop
[08:36] <stdin> nalioth: I would, but not on the access list, but if you all are about I will
[08:36] <Seeker`> nalioth: I think the point is that he isn't on the Access list so can't reop himself
[08:37] <nalioth> stdin: /deop stdin works great
[08:37] <nalioth> Seeker`: if we need extra hands, we can op anyone we like, at need
[09:32] <ubotu> ButtonLover called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:33] <jdong> hah, appropriate nick.
[09:33] <Seeker`> hmm, i doubt !proxy will change if he keeps on doing it
[09:34] <Seeker`> s/he/Level15
[09:38] <stdin> keep a lookout for minisrule192 in other channels too, just did that "joke" in #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[09:46] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, pietro10 said: ubotu is a bot, don't think he is real


[05:45] <darkmatter> troy_s, ping
[05:45] <troy_s> darkmatter: Go for me
[05:46] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=492044705&size=o <-- still a little crude for my tastes, but is that better? (button1)
[05:46] <troy_s> WOOp
[05:47] <darkmatter> groovy
[05:47] <troy_s> I love it... in fact
[05:47] <troy_s> I think those tabs could probably glean a little from that application too.
[05:47] <darkmatter> they will
[05:47] <darkmatter> those are still the old tabs
[05:48] <troy_s> i think that rocks
[05:48] <troy_s> very sort of subtle, but enough to almost pull it out
[05:48] <troy_s> have you tried those buttons with a grad in that stroke or ????
[05:48] <darkmatter> havent had time to do any more work till tonight. going to finish off the button states then recolor the lines n crap... fix the notebook (it'l have a dropshadow too
[05:49] <darkmatter> those buttons.. nope, not yet
[05:49] <troy_s> wow...
[05:50] <troy_s> i really need you to make that flex regarding colour
[05:50] <troy_s> as i would love to use that gtk... it is almost exactly along the lines of what i was hoping for...
[05:50] <darkmatter> cool
[05:51] <darkmatter> I will switch over to trans after I get the general lines finished
[05:51] <darkmatter> having it colorize is easy enough as long as I redo the widgets (solid color atm)
[05:51] <troy_s> in order to use it though, it obviously has to be devoid of colour and either use some recolouring tactic or greytones to mix
[05:52] <troy_s> hrm...
[05:52] <troy_s> i would be interested in seeing that.
[05:52] <darkmatter> theres a couple themes that do it, just use transparent pixmaps
[05:52] <troy_s> yes that's what i thought, but you would still need to limit yourself to greytones.
[05:53] <darkmatter> yup
[05:53] <troy_s> to avoid contaminating the colours.
[05:53] <darkmatter> and very neutral greys at that
[05:54] <darkmatter> I'm incorporating some stuff from gilouche2.0 for the panels too
[05:54] <darkmatter> it soes individual skinning of widgets for left, right, top and bottom
[05:55] <darkmatter> *does
[05:55] <darkmatter> and the panel in glory will need that, as its basically flat with a subtle grad
[05:57] <troy_s> hrm...
[05:57] <troy_s> if it can integrate its the first thing I am putting in.
[05:58] <troy_s> mind you, i would love it if you could paint in a little more 'complexity' into the progress bars and scrollbars as an aftermarket remix version
[05:59] <troy_s> here is a question, how is your metacity stroking that text?
[05:59] <darkmatter> the problem (well, one of many) with more "generic" pixmap themes is that the panels are pretty much delegated to one screen edge, that being whichevr the themer set it to
[05:59] <troy_s> i guess it is probably a +1 set of layers of the text then a centered drop
[06:00] <troy_s> you mean to customize the look?
[06:00] <troy_s> that is what that /panel_gtkrc is supposed to handle
[06:00] <darkmatter> the metacity, not sure off hand, thats just gilouche... havent combed over the xml yet
[06:00] <troy_s> if it weren't fuct, you could use FLAT_BOX etc to make it completely versatile.
[06:01] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup.. but debian is b0rked :P
[06:01] <troy_s> it wouldnt' matter where you put it, as your alignment would always be proper
[06:01] <troy_s> yep... bug filed :)
[06:01] <darkmatter> good
[06:01] <troy_s> hopefully we will get some attention on it...  it is a serious shortcoming
[06:01] <darkmatter> indeed
[06:02] <troy_s> using that bloody kludgy pixmap approach has so many holes it isn't funny
[06:02] <troy_s> not to mention that you also end up wildcarding everything that could possibly go into it to avoid a pothole in the look
[06:02] <darkmatter> when I start the engine, I got a good pointer for pulling off some wild text effects
[06:02] <troy_s> whereas that gtkrc for the panel would theoretically handle all of that very gracefully through a simple box and flat_box
[06:03] <darkmatter> troy_s, yeah... and with the pixmap engine having several shortcomings of its own
[06:03] <troy_s> i _love_ the dynamic cairo buttons, but it is too bad no one ever went further with it.
[06:03] <darkmatter> theres one engine, but its not very evolved
[06:03] <troy_s> as the three demos are bloody nasty
[06:03] <troy_s> but the idea behind them, in terms of design, is brilliant.
[06:03] <darkmatter> and other than the dynamic buttons its kinda hoehum
[06:04] <troy_s> yeah i saw one variation on the tiger stripes
[06:04] <troy_s> it wasn't even really a variation
[06:04] <troy_s> more a clone with some other minor differences that i didn't notice
[06:04] <darkmatter> yeah
[06:05] <troy_s> you using inkscape for your elements?
[06:05] <troy_s> you could very easily automate all of that drop shadow etc...
[06:05] <troy_s> save you a crapload of time
[06:06] <darkmatter> yeah... using inkscape, gimp for fine tuning
[06:06] <darkmatter> im odd that way
[06:06] <troy_s> the only real problem with gimp is that it is very 1 way
[06:07] <darkmatter> yup
[06:07] <troy_s> kind of breaks your simplicity...
[06:07] <troy_s> have you tried native svgs in their respective roles?
[06:07] <darkmatter> not yet
[06:07] <troy_s> i have had pretty good success with them (aside from the obvious bloody STUPID way that GNOME renders svg's to their stated size then does a bloody scale)
[06:07] <darkmatter> lol
[06:07] <troy_s> _really_ half assed
[06:08] <troy_s> _really_
[06:08] <troy_s> the whole point of svg is the ability to give you crisp rendering perfection, and some idiot somewhere decided that
[06:08] <troy_s> it was smart to render it to a bitmap then scale that...
[06:08] <darkmatter> speaking of stupid... another bloody gtk bug I hate is the fact that you cant scale an svg or png across the window background
[06:09] <troy_s> hrm...
[06:09] <troy_s> by background what do you mean?
[06:09] <darkmatter> if you want it to *scale* you need to make it freaking huge (as in not scaled, just looks that way)
[06:09] <troy_s> because if you are talking 'background' image
[06:09] <darkmatter> but then the bg takes ages to loade
[06:09] <troy_s> as some sort of watermark
[06:09] <troy_s> it is possible
[06:10] <troy_s> although i am thinking aspect ratio might suck as would be expectd
[06:10] <troy_s> avoid the bg_image stanza
[06:10] <troy_s> and use the flatbox
[06:10] <troy_s> the window base is a flatbox iirc
[06:10] <darkmatter> hmm... perhaps
[06:10] <troy_s> and if you override
[06:10] <troy_s> the parent of the window container, it works
[06:10] <troy_s> scale must obviously equal true...
[06:11] <troy_s> that said, i seem to recall something fecked with entry boxes and text boxes for output...
[06:11] <troy_s> but i cant be certain
[06:13] <troy_s> so when is glory going to be suitable to drop into a design pattern?
[06:15] <darkmatter> soon hopefully.. I'm going to work on it tonight. hopefully if I can find the time this weekend I'll get it finished
[06:16] <troy_s> Is that with the transparency element?  I am quite willing to run with something alphaish if the colours aren't an issue.
[06:16] <darkmatter> now that the final vision is clear, its just a matter of spitting out pixmaps
[06:16] <troy_s> so ...
[06:17] <troy_s> here is a question
[06:17] <troy_s> are the progress bars in pixmap land stretched or is it possible to have an elegantly shaped progress bar
[06:17] <troy_s> AND have it tile with a pattern?
[06:17] <darkmatter> the transarency may take a bit longer. depends on how much time I can set aside for gfx
[06:17] <troy_s> that would be _perfect_ if possible.
[06:17] <troy_s> i know that as soon as you tile you run the risk of being square...
[06:18] <darkmatter> actually.. it can tile... samui dos it.. will be using it as reference for the progressbars
[06:18] <troy_s> i suppose the overlay file could carve out the shape ...
[06:18] <troy_s> samui?
[06:18] <darkmatter> mac port
[06:18] <troy_s> the problem with relying on an overlay is that then you force the bloody colour factor into it
[06:19] <troy_s> what is it?
[06:19] <troy_s> a theme?
[06:19] <darkmatter> pixmap theme
[06:19] <troy_s> g-l?
[06:20] <troy_s> christ... how many osx clones are we going to be forced to survive through
[06:20] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=492091153&size=o
[06:21] <darkmatter> yeah.. mac clones suck.. but at least it gave me the args needed ;)
[06:21] <troy_s> woop, but see its square
[06:21] <darkmatter> yeah
[06:21] <darkmatter> the edges are blah
[06:21] <troy_s> i think when youtile
[06:21] <troy_s> you are automatically bound to a square
[06:21] <troy_s> the only way i can think of of
[06:22] <troy_s> overcoming is to 'shape' the basic tile by overlaying shape on it.
[06:22] <troy_s> which means picking a colour and painting opaque over it...
[06:22] <troy_s> (wtf does 'recolorable' do exactly?  ideas?  lol)
[06:22] <darkmatter> not a clue
[06:23] <darkmatter> at least no effect that I've ever seen
[06:23] <troy_s> well that is why i wonder
[06:24] <troy_s> i like the more rounded buttons in that samui theme though
[06:24] <troy_s> i will admit to that
[06:24] <troy_s> lol
[06:24] <troy_s> actually
[06:24] <troy_s> dark
[06:24] <darkmatter> hmm
[06:24] <troy_s> you might want to consider that radius
[06:24] <troy_s> on that tab
[06:24] <troy_s> see the frame samples?
[06:24] <darkmatter> yup
[06:24] <troy_s> that radius is bloody smooth
[06:25] <troy_s> (ignore the rest)
[06:25] <darkmatter> indeed
[06:25] <troy_s> but the radius on those tabs would probably work very well across all of the various elements.
[06:25] <troy_s> (on a side note, look at the varying radii in that samui theme -- just be bloody consistent for chrissake)
[06:26] <darkmatter> I'm actually just doing my own thing atm while trying not to be mac or windows... though the main influence is the little leaked widget shots from leopard, a wee bit of the tango mockups, and nesedah from the etoile project >_>
[06:26] <darkmatter> but yeah... the radius is nice
[06:29] <troy_s> there is something to be said regarding that radius and the sort of connotations that Ubuntu carries in a roundabout way
[06:29] <troy_s> it's not sharp
[06:30] <darkmatter> http://tango.freedesktop.org/Image:Tango-widgets-mockup-01.png  <--- thats not too shabby
[06:30] <troy_s> yes exactly
[06:30] <troy_s> except the double line thing is tripe
[06:31] <troy_s> that is pretty much what i was thinking minus that godawful inset line and outline heavy approach
[06:31] <darkmatter> yup
[06:32] <troy_s> but yes... that radius DOES look good
[06:32] <darkmatter> another ne I always liked as far as overall design (colour not withstanding) is http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/
[06:32] <troy_s> i still think the scrollbars and progress bars could be far superior if they avoid the blocky nature
[06:32] <darkmatter> *one
[06:33] <troy_s> and turn more to vial tubes styled.
[06:33] <troy_s> that last one feels all over the board.
[06:33] <troy_s> and the curves on the tabs are dipsy do sort of s curve shikane racetrack
[06:33] <troy_s> lol
[06:34] <darkmatter> yeah... but its gnustep.. ala macish
[06:34] <darkmatter> :P
[06:34] <troy_s> i actually think that radius we were looking at for everything regarding buttons is great
[06:34] <troy_s> except on the bars
[06:34] <troy_s> (as they are a bit of a different entity)
[06:34] <troy_s> its why i still cleave towards liking pills
[06:35] <troy_s> jeebus that guy has OCD
[06:36] <darkmatter> lol
[06:36] <darkmatter> yup
[06:36] <troy_s> once again, forest through the trees.
[06:36] <troy_s> all those changes are more or less identical.
[06:36] <troy_s> ssdp
[06:36] <darkmatter> I know... its sad
[06:37] <darkmatter> at least my ocd actually varies :P
[06:37] <troy_s> loooool
[06:37] <troy_s> anyways, you should pound that thing out so that some folks who could use it can use it sooner rather than later
[06:37] <troy_s> ocd guy
[06:37] <troy_s> gg is coming soon
[06:37] <darkmatter> yup
[06:38] <troy_s> wher eis that link again?
[06:38] <troy_s> to the current glory?
[06:38] <troy_s> (FECK i wish it were easier to account for all the different states and such... grr)
[06:38] <darkmatter> lol
[06:39] <nothlit> that tango reminds me of picasa
[06:39] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/sets/72157594488098254/
[06:39] <darkmatter> last pic in the series is the current missmash
[06:39] <darkmatter> *mishmash
[06:39] <troy_s> so i take it you are going to dropshadow all the interactive elements
[06:39] <troy_s> greets nothlit
[06:40] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[06:40] <troy_s> wehre hte feck is the fullsize button
[06:40] <troy_s> grr
[06:41] <darkmatter> the lil magnifying glass thingy
[06:41] <troy_s> yep... that stepper radius i think would work wonderfully.
[06:41] <troy_s> STEEPER even
[06:41] <troy_s> feck
[06:41] <darkmatter> lol
[06:41] <nothlit> troy_s: heyas
[06:42] <nothlit> btw--the svg rendering makes sense for viewing applications--just not for ui
[06:42] <troy_s> nothlit: Absolutely
[06:42] <troy_s> nothlit: For everything else, it is just ridiculous.
[06:43] <troy_s> Although I guess if you zoom in on a pic it is ridiculous too... check out the cheese that image viewer sells in that regard... *sigh*
[06:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: if you _can_
[06:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: I would love it if you could keep everything svg native
[06:43] <darkmatter> I shall try
[06:44] <troy_s> (and yes, there are a few glitches on that front -- like one pixel shears here and there... but you can figure it out i am pretty certain)
[06:44] <troy_s> darkmatter: Here is a quesiton
[06:44] <troy_s> darkmatter: if you say, went for fully rounded buttons ala samui
[06:44] <troy_s> when you get a big button, is there a way to maintain that perfect circular radius using the border technique?
[06:44] <darkmatter> not with the initial build (svg goodness).. I just wanna get the finalized look in all its Glory ;)
[06:45] <darkmatter> hmmm
[06:45] <darkmatter> not that I can think of
[06:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: Part of my brain is saying 'duh yes' but hte other part can't figure  it out in terms of the mechanics.
[06:46] <darkmatter> the border technique kinda blows chunks
[06:46] <troy_s> well it is a weird bird isn't it...
[06:46] <darkmatter> yup
[06:46] <troy_s> as in how the feck do you get left and top
[06:46] <troy_s> and not
[06:46] <troy_s> overlap!?
[06:46] <troy_s> not quite certain on that... or how it is actually working
[06:46] <darkmatter> brb.. need to throw on a pot of java
[06:47] <darkmatter> I just say the gtk devs need to take lessons from raster :P
[06:49] <troy_s> darkmatter: no shit
[06:49] <troy_s> darkmatter: Although that fucking file manager thing in E17 is ... just ... gawd.
[06:50] <troy_s> darkmatter: I look at E17 and think salvation, then that fecking file manager pops up and I realize I have fallen into hell.
[06:51] <darkmatter> loool
[06:51] <darkmatter> troy_s, thats just a demo app btw
[06:51] <darkmatter> :P
[06:51] <troy_s> it fecking better be
[06:52] <darkmatter> haha
[06:53] <darkmatter> one thing I love is how fast efs is... and I also love the animations in the file selector
[06:53] <darkmatter> unlike gnome that sits and grinds away
[06:53] <troy_s> yep
[06:53] <nothlit> troy_s: https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/literature/collaborationprogress.html --do you have any objects/images to add?
[06:54] <darkmatter> on the fly animated loading of thumbnails and everything, makes even slow loading dir seem to wiz by
[06:54] <troy_s> darkmatter: But _that_ feckign beast is a theme nightmare
[06:55] <darkmatter> that the point that gnome devs seem to miss... aesthetics *DO* play a major part in user experience
[06:55] <troy_s> darkmatter: There is something to be said for class based look definitions
[06:55] <troy_s> imagine having to define EVERYTHING int eh bloody system augh
[06:55] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup.. I know.. I've been trying to theme it
[06:55] <troy_s> nothlit: I like wher eyou are heading with that...
[06:55] <nothlit> nautilus is such a nightmare in reading the entire dir before responding--and it locks all instances
[06:55] <troy_s> nothlit: Let me think on it.
[06:56] <troy_s> darkmatter: And that moving target sucks bollocks
[06:56] <darkmatter> lol
[06:58] <troy_s> nothlit: DNA is out of bounds
[06:58] <troy_s> nothlit: Fedora 6
[06:58] <troy_s> nothlit: You would drown in the comparison / rip off debate
[06:58] <darkmatter> nothlit, yup... they should take the e approach to loading, or even the <EEK> LONGHORN </EEK> method
[06:58] <nothlit> troy_s: it was just a sidenote to help people visualise
[06:59] <troy_s> nothlit: Ah
[06:59] <darkmatter> just load on the fly instead of caching everything
[06:59] <troy_s> nothlit: Obviously that bloody picture of hte painted hands springs to mind.
[06:59] <darkmatter> and just subtle animate it so it doesnt look like a cat trying to hork up a hairball
[06:59] <nothlit> I'd <very> much like to avoid all hands and nude people
[07:00] <troy_s> LOOLLLLL
[07:00] <nothlit> darkmatter: photo collection managers are <great> in this regard
[07:00] <darkmatter> nothlit, yup
[07:00] <darkmatter> to bad filers suck.. umm.. furry grapefruit
[07:23] <BHSPitMonkey> there's too many photo collection managers on this system
[07:24] <BHSPitMonkey> f-spot, gthumb, picasa
[07:24] <nothlit> gthumb doesn't count
[07:25] <BHSPitMonkey> why not
[07:27] <nothlit> its not really a manager
[07:27] <nothlit> more like an overblown viewer
[07:27] <troy_s> picassa isn't Free is it?
[07:27] <nothlit> no, but its still free
[07:28] <nothlit> uses wine to run
[07:28] <troy_s> nothlit: I thought it was linux native now and in the commercial repos
[07:28] <nothlit> troy_s: hmm since collaboration got so many votes--think it should be the focus? or more equal
[07:29] <troy_s> nothlit: I think offering it up as both probably keeps the most creative aspect elements alive.
[07:29] <troy_s> nothlit: You just never know when you mix bright minds with substance.
[07:30] <nothlit> troy_s: i've updated the link https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/literature/collaborationprogress.html --tell me what you think before I put it on the wiki so others can contribute
[07:32] <troy_s> nothlit: I think that the collaboration mixed with progress is quite a bit different than say, fed 7s
[07:32] <troy_s> certainly see your point on the progress front though.
[07:32] <troy_s> as flying does have some sort of strange connection on that front
[07:33] <troy_s> nothlit: It is pretty wide open... I rather like the idea of the techy motion...
[07:33] <troy_s> meatballhat had an interesting idea regarding something evolving from a blueprint (if I haven't butchered it too much)
[07:34] <troy_s> that sort of (probably cliched) wireframe / blueprint to reality motif
[07:37] <nothlit> Do you think the community can handle doing techy without that harshness and sense of disconnect?
[07:37] <nothlit> We'd have to highlight individual parts/contributions somehow, expose the underworkings and strip away smooth exteriors
[07:37] <troy_s> nothlit: Probably not, but
[07:37] <troy_s> nothlit: I doubt we will get anywhere constantly underestimating
[07:38] <troy_s> nothlit: I think it is safe to provide an 'open forum' for submission
[07:38] <troy_s> then if it doesn't quite brew up in terms of quality
[07:38] <troy_s> do a boil down and reduce to a limited set and offer it up for redo
[07:38] <troy_s> worst case, some solo figure ends up reworking it such that it works on a decent level.
[07:39] <troy_s> but i actually think that there is the talent out there, they just tend to not get interested until it is a little late.
[07:39] <troy_s> it MIGHT be nice to see what a core can do say, given a restricted palette etc.
[07:40] <troy_s> ok must sleep
[07:40] <troy_s> out
[07:40] <nothlit> The thing is with tech its hard to stay away from those overused blues--although i suppose we could go will blue-greys
[07:40] <nothlit> kk ttyl
[07:41] <troy_s> on a side note
[07:41] <troy_s> WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT SHITTY FONT AT UB.COM?
[07:41] <troy_s> jesus
[07:41] <troy_s> where are the typesetters when you need them
[07:41] <troy_s> feck me that is brutal
[07:41] <troy_s> mixed in with that walmart photo
[07:41] <troy_s> UGGGH
[07:42] <troy_s> jesus
[07:42] <nothlit> ub.com?
[09:07] <Madpilot> nothlit, I think troy_s was complaining about the fonts on ubuntu.com? Given that those are set by browsers, if he's seeing ugly fonts it's because that's what is on his system...
[09:47] <nothlit> embedded fonts for the win--i think we're going to see a lot more of than when mini svg becomes more implemented
[09:48] <Madpilot> nothlit, you mean in 2015, when IE8 finally comes out with minimal SVG support? :P
[09:59] <nothlit> well i'm guessing if microsoft doesn't step up--people will realise they are in a severely compromised web experience
[10:00] <nothlit> people don't care about security
[10:00] <Madpilot> meh. Far too many people think Internet Explorer = The Internet
[10:00] <nothlit> but they
[10:00] <nothlit> 'll care about fugly founds and not using their clicky web applications
[10:00] <nothlit> fonts*
[10:00] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=492236366&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o <--- we have the buttons ;)
[10:08] <darkmatter> nothlit, click that link. want opinions on the pressed state of the buttons ;)
[10:23] <nothlit> darkmatter: its odd that it looks so flat
[10:23] <nothlit> i mean it doesn't have be the exact reverse but i don't feel that curve
[10:24] <darkmatter> yeah... theres a grad in there.. but its drawing odd in the ui
[10:31] <nothlit> do you have two sources of light or is that reflected light in the buttons?
[02:06] <lapo> hi
[05:09] <troy_s> nothlit: Actually I was talking about the font in that ass ugly png at the top of Ubuntu dot com
[07:01] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=492640772&size=o ignore the progressbars.. was playing. also ignore the graphical glitches in the tabs.. still need to do some debugging)
[07:02] <darkmatter> but how them buttons lookin'?
[07:02] <troy_s> woop an update
[07:02] <troy_s> hold on
[07:03] <troy_s> did you shrink the drop or am i delusional?
[07:04] <troy_s> oh i see some drop on the toggles now too... should probably have some shade down that left side to keep upper left lighting in place
[07:04] <troy_s> and probably lose the outer drop (as it is supposed to be reflective of a depressed state?)
[07:05] <troy_s> darkmatter: Woop... tabs are getting dropped
[07:05] <troy_s> darkmatter: Like that...
[07:05] <troy_s> darkmatter: I would also probably carry the drop along from the tab _over_ the under tabs
[07:06] <troy_s> (if that is even possible... now that i think about it... lol)
[07:07] <darkmatter> troy_s, thats the plane, once I debug the gaps and match up the outlines
[07:07] <troy_s> oh yeah i see now
[07:07] <troy_s> cool...
[07:07] <darkmatter> the tabs will have shadows matching the notebook
[07:08] <troy_s> i am really liking the 3d element actually
[07:08] <darkmatter> so the right tab has a right and bottom shadow, etc
[07:08] <troy_s> yeah
[07:08] <troy_s> darkmatter: Have you tried a grad on the button stroke?
[07:09] <troy_s> darkmatter: Lighter to darker for example?
[07:09] <troy_s> in fact, you could almost try a grad on the diagonal
[07:09] <darkmatter> just filling the gaps is kinda tricky with that shadow
[07:09] <troy_s> ?
[07:09] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup.. actually, there is a grad... I was just tired and did it tolight
[07:10] <darkmatter> the tabs
[07:10] <troy_s> filling the gaps on the fecking tabs eh?
[07:10] <troy_s> i see...
[07:10] <troy_s> its a bugger as the tabs are so complicated in terms of construction via pixmap
[07:10] <darkmatter> the gap between notebook and tab on the shadow sides
[07:10] <darkmatter> yup
[07:11] <troy_s> yeah
[07:11] <darkmatter> you can see the grove where they meet on the right and bottom tab
[07:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: On the deactivated buttons
[07:11] <troy_s> the inactives
[07:11] <troy_s> it would probably be logical to drop the drop on those too...
[07:11] <troy_s> as they aren't really clickable
[07:11] <troy_s> hence they can afford to lose their 3d
[07:11] <troy_s> (the inactives all around look pretty damn solid really)
[07:13] <darkmatter> troy_s, yeah.. I was going to go for a flat look on those
[07:13] <darkmatter> the inactives are still the old mlky ones
[07:13] <darkmatter> *milky
[07:14] <troy_s> i totally think it makes logical sense...
[07:14] <troy_s> as the 3d implies 'interact with me'
[07:14] <troy_s> and the flat in conjunction with the nerfed tones
[07:14] <troy_s> is very 'sorry you are out of luck'
[07:14] <darkmatter> yup
[07:14] <troy_s> if you manage to embrace that across _all_ of the elements, i think it will really elevate it.
[07:15] <troy_s> and the diffuse highlight on the buttons is certainly infinitely better than that crap bloody swoopy gloss that is everywehre at the moment.
[07:15] <troy_s> actually, i wonder if that shoudl perhaps show a little more upper left light shape
[07:16] <darkmatter> yeah.. actually I was thinking of doing that to all the active elements.. have the upper left corner and a small grad on the left top to give it more of a sheen
[07:20] <darkmatter> troy_s, its too bad that tiling sucks with range. I was wanting to give those a meter look
[07:23] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yeah very much like you have with the diffuse highlight
[07:23] <troy_s> but shape them more from that upper left corner
[07:23] <darkmatter> yup
[07:28] <darkmatter> I was going to use a subtle grad on the menus... but since I'm using perforated menu lines I can't.. the only way to do those lines is to tile the image, and a trans background doesnt tile without leaving fugly artifacts (as in technicolor static)
[07:31] <darkmatter> the terrors of the pixmap engine
[07:33] <troy_s> darkmatter: Try svg
[07:33] <troy_s> darkmatter: I swear the SVG raws seem to generate different looks
[07:33] <darkmatter> I'll give it a shot
[08:32] <troy_s> elkbuntu: Any uds updates?
[08:32] <troy_s> elkbuntu: Anything intresting?
[08:32] <troy_s> darkmatter: Progress?
[08:35] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=492727796&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o
[08:35] <darkmatter> just small progress, was havin dindin with the family
[08:35] <elkbuntu> troy_s, you should try come to a UDS one day. there's *always* something interesting going on
[08:37] <troy_s> elkbuntu: I've been to one.
[08:37] <troy_s> elkbuntu: Not really my cup of tea really...
[08:56] <lapo> hi
[08:59] <darkmatter> agood afternoon lapo
[09:00] <lapo> ciao darkmatter
[09:00] <darkmatter> dang. rendering bug with the text focus in xchat.. grrrr
[09:01] <darkmatter> damn. pixmap.engine
[09:02] <lapo> darkmatter: do you really really really need to use that engine?
[09:03] <darkmatter> lapo... only for the prototype.. once its done I'll be coding some cairo love
[09:04] <darkmatter> I just use the pixmap engin to work out design elements. its easier than repeatedly compiling and installing
[09:08] <troy_s> lapo: Pixmap is the best engine there is
[09:08] <troy_s> lapo: For getting the end result... and it isn't slow at all any more.
[09:08] <troy_s> lapo: Otherwise you are stuck with shitty engines like murrine or whatever.
[09:08] <lapo> troy_s: pixmap is a problem not an engine :-)
[09:09] <troy_s> lapo: I disagree... look at gnome look if you need more proof that the engines are ... blah.  dborg's lua has promise
[09:09] <lapo> that's a cool one
[09:09] <lapo> pixmap is well mostly unmaintained and has bugs
[09:10] <troy_s> might have bugs, but it is the ONLY way to design gtk
[09:10] <troy_s> the rest is code and that is unsatisfactory
[09:10] <darkmatter> aurora is a nasty engine... not only slow but has buggy redraw in naughtylust
[09:11] <darkmatter> it like... paints bg_normal allover when dragging files
[09:12] <darkmatter> just. eew
[09:13] <darkmatter> once lua's mature we need a theme studio. basically draw the widgets in studio and dynamically it would generate the code
[09:14] <troy_s> darkmatter: Woop that would rokc.
[09:14] <darkmatter> I was kinda planning something like that a while back as part of glory
[09:14] <darkmatter> all it would need is a standardized rc format
[09:15] <darkmatter> instead of the crap most themes ship with
[09:20] <darkmatter> it would kinda be almost like a glade/inkscape fusion. the preview would also be the workspace,  you could drag handles etc to adjust padding
[09:20] <darkmatter> set colors, gradients, etc. then export the rc when done
[11:29] <troy_s> darkmatter: If you get a chance I would love a tarball to start testing against different colours.
[11:30] <darkmatter> ok... once I finish up the rest of the basic widgets
[11:32] <darkmatter> I'm not going to bother with to many bug or padding fixes atm.. my main concern is just getting full widget coverage
[11:32] <darkmatter> I can fine tune later
[11:40] <troy_s> woot
[11:40] <troy_s> that's the spirit
[11:40] <troy_s> 80 / 20!
[11:40] <troy_s> ftw


[05:35] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 585 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/07/01/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-585/ (by wildmanne39)
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[16:58] <Ekushey> Tuhin: hello
[18:12] <Tuhin> hi Ekushey
[18:13]  * barebone waves too.
[18:13] <Tuhin> hi barebone tanvir
[18:13] <Tuhin> why u were sadbone sometime ago?
[18:14] <barebone> Sometime? It was many days ago. :P
[18:14] <Tuhin> hmm
[18:14] <Tuhin> why
[18:14]  * barebone was sad.
[18:14] <Tuhin> i asked u but u didnt get my message
[18:14] <Tuhin> what caused your sadness
[18:14]  * barebone is still sad and troubled and tensed by the way.
[18:15]  * barebone does not wanna rephrase that because that will make him more sad, sorry.
[18:15]  * Tuhin wonders what is the reason of that sadness
[18:15] <Tuhin> sharing can make ur sadness lighter3
[18:15]  * barebone thinks there is nothing to wonder as he is a mean and tiny.
[18:17]  * Tuhin thinks all humans are tiny compared to the creation of God almighty , but this tiny creature can have great mind, which makes it great
[18:22] <Tuhin> hey barebone , u there
[18:22] <barebone> Aye, but a bit busy.
[18:22] <Tuhin> ohok
[18:28] <Ekushey> hey
[18:28] <Ekushey> sorry didn't notice Tuhin
[18:29] <Ekushey> nick highlight enabled :)
[18:33] <Ekushey> barebone: why r u sad? what's wrong?
[18:41] <Tuhin> back