[18:32] <pavlushka> hey zaki
[19:52] <zaki> hi pavlushka
[19:52] <zaki> how are you ?
[19:53] <pavlushka> zaki: good
[19:53] <pavlushka> zaki: time for bed I guess


[00:33] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: it's past feature freeze now for univere, would need a motu-release ack
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> adiroiban: kde-l10n-yourlang
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> So I think we have to force mysql 5.1 for karmic. akonadi really doesn't work with 5.0, for whatever reason
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> reverting to depending on mysql-server-core-5.1 rather than mysql-server-core would be the least invasive/regression prone way to deal with this, even if it is inconvenient for people who want 5.0 for whatever reason
[00:40] <EagleScreen> good luck then
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thoughts on ^ since you did the last upload?
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> this is bug 459741 for reference, and totally breaks korganizer
[02:01] <ScottK> We just uploaded a new checkgmail svn snapshot because gmail changed something and it was broken.  Could someone check on kcheckgmail?
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I can test it
[02:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[06:06]  * jussi01 wonders if JontheEchidna is awake yet/still
[06:15] <jussi01> well ok, he isnt but someone may want to have a look at the bug I finally filed: bug 460870
[09:35] <rickspencer3> hi guyses
[09:35] <rickspencer3> Riddell, good morning
[09:38] <davmor2> shhh nobody tell rickspencer3 that his posts aren't showing up ;)
[09:39] <rickspencer3> davmor2, that's pretty meta
[09:40] <davmor2> rickspencer3: Morning Dude just letting you know your alive :D
[09:40] <rickspencer3> If Kubuntu USB creator is having troubles, I think it'll be fixed quite soon
[09:41] <rickspencer3> evand is working on the backend today
[09:43] <Riddell> morning rickspencer3
[09:43] <Riddell> you in Europe or keeping funny hours?
[09:43] <rickspencer3> Riddell, neither
[09:43] <rickspencer3> I'm in London ;)
[09:43] <rickspencer3> zing
[09:43] <Riddell> USB creator was working fine for me last week
[09:44] <Riddell> rickspencer3: careful, declairing London to be not part of Europe, that's political conversations you're in there :)
[10:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I am good with that, but it is really just reducing the amount of affected people ... someone who got software installed that requires 5.0 and akonadi will run into problems as well
[10:02] <apachelogger> the larger question however is, did we do something that triggered the incompability with 5.0 or does upstream just require 5.1
[10:02] <apachelogger> I kind of doubt the latter though
[10:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: I seem to remember akonadi requires 5.1
[10:04] <Riddell> (or that might have been amarok)
[10:04] <apachelogger> amarok does
[10:04] <apachelogger> always did, there is no embed mysql stuff in 5.0 :)
[10:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: my theory is: since we build both, qt and akonadi against mysql 5.1 they both just can't talk to a 5.0 server
[10:08] <apachelogger> if we built them against 5.0 it probably would be able to talk to 5.1 though
[10:08] <apachelogger> that said, 5.0 is in universe (AFAIK), so that is no option anyway
[10:08] <apachelogger> only solution is to revert to hard-dep on 5.1
[10:09] <apachelogger> which of course will conflict with people wanting 5.0
[10:09] <apachelogger> but that is IMHO an architectual problem in mysql
[10:09] <apachelogger> if they did not revert my precious make-mysql-versions-co-installable enhancements we would not have this problem to begin with since 5.0 and 5.1 could be installed at the same time
[10:09] <apachelogger> but oh well
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you concur?
[10:10]  * apachelogger prepares an upload
[10:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think I do
[10:12] <Riddell> it sounds sensible but hard to be sure without looking closer at it
[10:12] <Riddell> but uploading a hard dep on 5.1 will certainly keep it working
[10:13] <apachelogger> for the larger part of the users anyway
[10:13] <apachelogger> those that have software requiring 5.0 are still boned :S
[10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: uploaded, should arrive in the queue soonish :)
[11:02] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 460225
[11:03] <davmor2> Looks like the kubuntu FF installer doesn't pull in the offline homepage
[11:04] <Riddell> davmor2: that bug is pretty unclear in saying what the problem is
[11:05] <Riddell> davmor2: but it sounds like a firefox packaging bug to me, it's certainly not the responsibility of kubuntu-docs to have anything whatsoever to do with firefox
[11:06] <Riddell> infact that's really cheeky that they claim a firefox packging issue is a kubuntu issue
[11:06] <davmor2> Riddell: I can add info to it basically I've just run a test on it and /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork  isn't installed so it can't find the index.html which is at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[11:07] <Riddell> yep, that really does have nothing whatsoever to do with us
[11:07] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll let you duke it out with asac then :D
[11:11]  * apachelogger notes that he nees to make the installer install firefox-gnome-support for lucid
[11:38] <Riddell> NCommander: did you manage to look into the kdebase-runtime issue on arm at all?
[11:39] <Riddell> if I had an arm machine I'd be wanting to check if onto2vocabularyclass runs or if it runs with an older version of soprano
[11:41] <Riddell> the other thing to do is just to disable compiling the nepomuk dirctory on arm
[11:41] <Riddell> but I'd still need something to test that on
[12:10] <jussi01> Riddell: any chance youve got a moment too look at my lancelot issue? or should I just wait for JontheEchidna....
[12:19] <Riddell> jussi01: what's the issue?
[12:19] <jussi01> Riddell: bug 460870
[12:20] <jussi01> its on both my machines, so not just a local once off bug.
[12:21] <Riddell> sounds like a bug in lancelot
[12:21] <jussi01> yup
[12:22] <Riddell> best find a lancelot developer to poke
[12:22] <jussi01> ok, who would they be off the top of your head?
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> ivan cuick
[12:24] <jussi01> ahh, heres JontheEchidna:)
[12:26] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: do you know where to find him? is he irc-able? or is there some better way to sort this (forward bug upstream?)
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> I think he's on IRC sometimes, but I cannot recall the nick atm
[12:26]  * jussi01 would like it fixed before release if possible...
[12:26] <apachelogger> can't reproduce on intel
[12:28] <jussi01> hrm, where is the lanceltot config, maybe if I nuke that and see if it fixes things.
[12:30] <Lex79> good morning, users in my forum complains about there is no time remaining in battery plasmoid, only % remaining. Is it a kde bug ?
[12:31] <Lex79> I haven't a notebook to test it
[12:31] <sebas> It's not a bug, we deliberately leave it out since there's no way the remaining time can be measured reliably
[12:31] <sebas> power consumption is too dymamic
[12:31] <Lex79> thanks sebas :)
[12:31] <sebas> no problem
[12:54] <Sput> sebas: mmmh, it was nice to have something like that though just for seeing how what you do currently extrapolated over time
[12:54] <Sput> so you knew that you were currently something expensive
[12:54] <Sput> (e.g. the current drain rate would be cool, if not in the form of a time estimate)
[12:55] <sebas> Sput: we decided against it since most people won't understand that this number is highly speculative
[12:55] <sebas> You can probably add showRemainingTime=true in the plasmoid's config to make it appear, but the option will likely go away in 4.4
[12:55] <Sput> sebas: how about the current drain rate then? or something like that?
[12:57] <sebas> Sput: maybe I'll add some advanced battery information, now I'm concentrating on fixing up the popup's layout
[12:57] <Sput> sebas: 'tis ok, just food for thought :)
[12:57] <sebas> cool :)
[12:58]  * Sput is slacking too much lately
[12:58] <Sput> I'm working on your feature, but it's taking way too long because I can't focus too much currently :/
[13:12] <EagleScreen> on karmic: I have to press ten times the brighness key to decrease or the brighness, only can go to from full brighness to lower
[13:16] <orestes> Hello, may I ask a little question about kubuntu CD customization?
[13:16] <Riddell> orestes: yes
[13:17] <orestes> I'm creating the Catalan Remix CD from an original english CD using UCK tools, but when I boot into the customized Kubuntu there are 2 ovelapping plasmoids on the screen, which can cause confusion to new users.
[13:18] <Riddell> orestes: which plasmoids?  is this jaunty or karmic?
[13:18] <orestes> I want to know which configuration file must I change to get rid of one of these plasmoids
[13:18] <orestes> Is karmic, of course.
[13:20] <Riddell> orestes: unfortunately plasma doesn't make it easy to use a config file for the default layout, so we end up patching it, the patch is kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff in kdebase-workspace
[13:26] <orestes> Riddell: Ok, I see. But I'm not sure I'd be able to dig into this patch, so is there any config file, script, or so I can modify in the unpacked CD root filesystem? I've this filesystem unpacked as part of my customization process...
[13:31] <Riddell> orestes: well the quickest workaround would be   rm /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-microblog.desktop
[13:32] <Riddell> of course then people can't add back microblog should they wish to
[13:33] <orestes> Ok. Many thanks. I'll try in a while (now going lunch ;-)
[13:35] <Riddell> orestes: let us know how you get on
[13:46] <Riddell> well here's a workaround for arm http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-runtime_4.3.2-0ubuntu4.debdiff
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pre-making the sycoca would probably "solve" bug 366201
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: at the very least improve the situation
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: such stuff would be reported against ubuntu-cdimage project on lp?
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I think so
[14:21] <apachelogger> k
[14:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose we should test my theory before reporting a wish though :)
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[14:29] <txwikinger> he Riddell
[14:30] <txwikinger> The Kubuntu CD went faster at the Linuxfest than the Ubuntu CD :D
[14:30] <txwikinger> CDs
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[14:31]  * txwikinger notes that this is not a statistically sound sample though ;)
[14:32]  * JontheEchidna waves goodbye to kubuntu-grub-splashimages
[14:33]  * txwikinger tests out what of all the problems he has, has been fixed in Karmic
[14:47] <txwikinger> Firefox 3.5 has a cute new scrollbar
[14:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel has switched to gettext for translations for their next release, so they should no longer be weired when it comes to that.
[15:04] <Riddell> good idea quassel devs
[15:11] <Sput> let's see how it plays out :)
[15:11] <Sput> since Qt 4.5 it's quite easy to convert between .po and .ts, so we updated our build system to use .po
[15:16] <Riddell> I wish qt would just convert to using gettext
[15:17] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/302118/ random bit of praise in my inbox for kubuntu on eee pc
[15:17] <Riddell> planetkde also has a nice upgrade praise from jos of KO
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> the feedback on the RC page has been consistently decent too
[15:18] <ScottK> I wonder if the guy that mailed you knows about Kubuntu Netbook.
[15:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I was going to e-mail him to say that
[15:20] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:27] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime seems to be compiling
[15:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/kmail/nl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=gmail
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: poke mr. pitti to manually fix that up
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> \o rgreening
[15:33] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: o/ oy .. how goes
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> kcm_touchpad guy switched to xinput :)
[15:33] <rgreening> yay
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I also helped him set up localization stuff
[15:34] <rgreening> cool
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> looks like it'll be a viable solution for 10.04
[15:34] <rgreening> i guess that makes my uds thing easier
[15:34] <rgreening> ha
[15:35] <rgreening> im sure we can help add mure to it during the cycle though...
[15:35] <rgreening> more..
[15:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: we should help him get it into kde upstream.
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> that would be ideal, yes
[15:36] <rgreening> so we get it for free :)
[15:36] <rgreening> cool
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> feature freeze for 4.4 is in a week though
[15:36] <rgreening> doh...
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> soft feature freeze, where anything not on the planned feature list has to wait
[15:37] <rgreening> ask  riddell if he can help get it on the list
[15:37] <rgreening> :)
[15:37] <rgreening> we should get it into playground asap though....
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, I could help do that if we could convince the author to move upstream
[15:37] <txwikinger> hi rgreening
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> (adding it to the list)
[15:38] <rgreening> hey txwikinger
[15:38] <rgreening> man, im so beat from vacation.. i need another to recover
[15:38] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:38] <rgreening> :P
[15:39] <rgreening> ill be more online starting tomorrow... after i recover from tonights flight.
[15:39] <rgreening> gotta shower.. bbiab...
[15:40] <apachelogger> qtimer pwsn sleep!
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in r61 I replaced the apport sleep with a qtimer
[15:42]  * JontheEchidna pushed a compile fix as r61 <.<
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, everything's ok now. nothing to worry about :)
[15:44] <apachelogger> well
[15:44] <apachelogger> we all know why hash based revisions are superior to number incrementation
[15:44] <apachelogger> :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> git pwsn bzr for that matter
[15:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, when you poke pitti about that nl translation issue ... could you also find out why apport-checkreports got a seperate arg for for system user reports?
[15:48] <apachelogger> for performance reasons it would make sense to consider both user and system user reports taken into account ... as per reference implementation in gnomes update-notifier we would need to call checkreports twice
[15:49] <apachelogger> oh
[15:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nvm
[15:49]  * apachelogger remembers :D
[15:49] <apachelogger> system reports require sudo access and thus the user should not care, which is why I do not want to support that case to begin with
[15:50] <apachelogger> + I still find running checkreports twice is a PITA performance-wise
[15:51] <yuriy> apachelogger: iirc system reports includes user reports
[15:52] <yuriy> oh but does it need to be run twice to check if you need to run it with system reports?
[15:54] <apachelogger> update-notifer does run it twice, once without and once with system
[15:54] <apachelogger> also I doubt that system includes user, then the name would be misleading :P
[15:55] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime uploaded with nepomuk disabled for arm
[15:57] <apachelogger> 	/* Kubuntu has a bug in it - this is a workaround for it */
[15:57] <apachelogger> most useful comment ever :D
[15:58] <Riddell> where's that?
[15:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdesudo
[15:59] <apachelogger> KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceDir("apps","/usr/share/applications/kde");
[15:59] <apachelogger> ...
[15:59] <apachelogger> no clue why that is necessary and what the bug is
[15:59] <Riddell> blame Tonio_, that's the usual way with kdesudo issues :)
[16:02] <apachelogger> right
[16:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ping ping
[16:02] <Sput> Riddell: well, at least Qt is providing tools to convert between .po and .ts... that's a start
[16:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep ?
[16:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for being away, I'm in china atm.... timezone difference...
[16:05] <apachelogger> Tonio_: kdesudo/main.cpp lin 116 onwards
[16:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's old code :)
[16:05] <apachelogger> what is the kubuntu issue and why is that workaround necessar?
[16:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: shouldn't be considered a bug I think, just.... I never removed that line :)
[16:06] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, the manual adding of search paths is a bug IMHO
[16:06] <apachelogger> at the very least a maintenance PITA
[16:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I agree
[16:07]  * apachelogger looks into that
[16:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but not adding this ends up a breakage.... not my fault afaik
[16:07] <Tonio_> :)
[16:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: btw, I am enhancing kdesudo to support the desktop file as argument
[16:07] <apachelogger> so that desktop file name does not need to match executable name
[16:08] <maco> cool!
[16:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that would be nice
[16:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it's definately something I should have fixed...
[16:09] <apachelogger> yeah, you should :P
[16:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: do you have commit access to the the dev branch ?
[16:09]  * apachelogger needs it for kubuntu-firefox-installer, so
[16:09] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes
[16:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so many things I should have done...
[16:10] <apachelogger> well, time is only limited :)
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: no time right now, I have too much work, unfortunatelly
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the last 3 month, I've spent 2 month in canada, 2 weeks in china.... and I have a girlfriend, and now my own company...
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: all of this doesn't help :/
[16:11] <Riddell> don't forget to visit freeflyi1g while you're in China
[16:11] <Riddell> it's a small country, I'm sure he can't be far away
[16:12] <apachelogger> lol
[16:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, all to understandable that you dont have any time left :)
[16:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: :)
[16:22] <Tonio_> no time I'm affraid, I'm not there to visit :/
[16:22] <Tonio_> I did saw the great wall and forbidden city actually
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: turns out most of our "akonadi doesn't start" bugs (besides the mysql-5.0 bug) were apparmor issues
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> nice of Jamie to take care of all that for apparmor :)
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: has the new kcheckgmail been published? I cannot see it yet
[16:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: DId you upload it?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> I thought you said somebody else uploaded it and it needed testing
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> I can take a look at svn if its needed though
[16:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No, what's needed is knowing if the current one works and if not if there's an update available.
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> oooh
[16:49] <ScottK> Since checkgmail was broken, odds are kcheckgmail is too
[16:50]  * JontheEchidna wonders about kgmailnotifier too
[16:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Good point.
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> kcheckgmail fails
[16:55]  * JontheEchidna tries to find an svn repo
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> aha: http://kcheckgmail-lpereira.blogspot.com/2009/10/shortest-release-ever.html
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> new upstream release that fixes just that
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> after the release it broke, so they committed a fix
[16:57]  * JontheEchidna patches
[17:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Excellent.  Go ahead and upload when it's ready.  I'll accept it.
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> success! kcheckgmail works
[17:40] <ScottK> Lovely
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kcheckgmail uploaded, should appear shortly
[17:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> kgmailnotifier is broken too, snooping around for that
[17:44] <ScottK> Go, go, go.
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> mreh, doesn't seem to have a VCS
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> a bit sad since it's KDE4, as opposed to KCheckGMail
[21:13] <ScottK> I gather you never found a vcs for kgmailnotifier?
[21:14] <ScottK> Maybe someone else could have a look since JontheEchidna is a bit busy atm
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> right, never found one
[21:14]  * ScottK bets Lex79 could figure something out
[21:28] <zorael> Regarding "Update kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff to use the same OSD as kmix" in kdebase-workspace (4:4.3.2-0ubuntu7), it doesn't seem to be displaying any OSD now at all, neither when changed via brightness keys nor via the applet
[21:29] <zorael> kmix displays its OSD though
[21:37] <ScottK> Odd.  Works here.
[21:37] <ScottK> I guess file a bug.....
[21:38] <ScottK> (It's too late for anything but fixes for earth shattering problems now.
[22:00] <zorael> ScottK: It seems to only show if laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware is set to false, if that helps. Should I file a bug?
[22:02] <ScottK> zorael: Yes
[22:52] <davmor2> ScottK: startin' on KNE now :)
[22:52] <davmor2> will start with wubi me thinks
[22:58] <ScottK> davmor2: Cool.  You can leave the manual partition install for me.
[22:58] <davmor2> No we'll just double up it's allowed honest :)
[22:59] <ScottK> OK.


[00:11] <skellat>  Hmm...
[00:11] <skellat> Let me check in a bit
[00:12] <belkinsa> Or is bamboo a carppy add-on for Thunderbird?
[00:36] <canthus13> Totally full of carp.
[00:39] <Unit193> Newsbeuter.
[01:33] <jrgifford> self-hosted newsblur on a pi works
[01:33] <jrgifford> that's what I used
[01:33] <belkinsa> I once used Sage, but I don't why I stopped.
[01:33] <belkinsa> Lifeara is carp too
[01:34] <jrgifford> lifeara is meh.
[01:34] <jrgifford> honestly, since reader died, i've been unhappy with everything
[01:38] <cid420> what reader you using
[01:38] <belkinsa> Bamboo on Thunderbird
[01:38] <cid420> oh have to check that out.
[01:39] <belkinsa> It's alright, but I think it hates the Planet Ubuntu Ohio Feed
[01:39] <belkinsa> And skellat's blog feed.
[01:40]  * skellat coughs and refers to http://erielookingproductions.info/Feeds.html and notes that a script elsewhere runs once a day to grab things
[01:40] <jenni> [ rawdog ] - https://j.mp/18uMwS8
[01:44] <skellat> belkinsa: I checked and my blog's feed endpoint is http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/index.rss while the Erie Looking Productions blog's feed endpoint is http://erielookingproductions.info/index.rss
[01:45] <belkinsa> Thank you, it works.
[02:31] <Unit193> BiosElement: Howdy.
[02:34] <BiosElement> Hey Unit193, What's up?
[02:37] <Unit193> Wishing bzr/lp wasn't so bad.  You?
[02:38] <BiosElement> Ehh just checking in on some work.  :D
[03:09] <BiosElement> Last used it a year ago. Got git and haven't looked back.


[09:24] <LinDol> hi
[09:25] <darkxst> hi
[09:25] <darkxst> !ask
[09:25] <LinDol> i dont have question ;)
[09:25] <LinDol> :-)
[09:26] <darkxst> ha ok