[08:21] <gonzoism> linux_  or, rm ~/.bash_history
[08:21] <aba_ec> linux_: or try > .bash_history
[08:21] <Sithe> e-Hernick: OHH that might have been the problem lol!
[08:22] <gonzoism> e-Hernick yeah, i suspect its the sda driver in the kernel.
[08:22] <gonzoism> e-Hernick whatever it is, it is ubuntu specific, because the other distros don't do it.
[08:22] <jan__> morning
[08:22] <e-Hernick> gonzoism: I don't suppose you've got a secondary sata controller on your motherboard
[08:22] <e-Hernick> ubuntu-specific
[08:22] <Cypher21> HELP!
[08:22] <e-Hernick> that's weird
[08:22] <Cypher21> >.<
[08:22] <Cypher21> !
[08:22] <Bogus8> why does removing bittorrent need to also remove ubunto-desktop?
[08:23] <gonzoism> e-Hernick i don't think so.  its a laptop.  never opened it.
[08:23] <lockd> Bogus8: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[08:23] <rxKaffee> inside the home directorys of users that I have created through ubuntu's graphical interface, there are several directorys such as Documents, Music, Projects, etc. that are owned by "root" with 755 perms
[08:23] <e-Hernick> gonzoism: I suggest you stop gdm and try working the computer in text mode
[08:23] <linux_> aba_ec , what is the command ? what i need to do with  .bash_history
[08:23] <Bogus8> lockd: so it can be removed with no problems?
[08:23] <rxKaffee> what would have caused this to happen?
[08:23] <Sithe> e-Hernick: That didn't solve the problem. Uploading xorg.conf to pastebin now.
[08:23] <lockd> Bogus8: it is useless, it consists of only dependencies, iirc
[08:24] <rxKaffee> they should be owned by the user whose homedire they are in I think...
[08:24] <Bogus8> lockd: ok cool
[08:24] <nalpha> MasterShrek: the bad rating can be fix with finishing the other job, so the point is after we had much money and can buy greatest hardware we can do other job more easily and get good rating.
[08:24] <kyncani> Bogus8: I think you should keep it, i hear it make upgrading easier (edgy -> dapper, dapper -> feisty)
[08:24] <MasterShrek> i spose
[08:25] <lockd> I'm still looking for a remote-X type system which works like screen
[08:25] <Sithe> e-Hernick: http://pastebin.com/m57decbb9
[08:25] <MasterShrek> nalpha, you just ruined the game for me :(
[08:25] <MasterShrek> lol
[08:25] <rxKaffee> lockd: vnc
[08:25] <e-Hernick> gonzoism: then you'll know if it's a kernel thing. I suggest you start a few CPU and disk intensive jobs in the background (file copies, tar-bzip2'ing big dirs and such) with an interactive job in the foreground (say irssi :) ) and see if you still get freezes.. all that with no X running, in text mode
[08:25] <lockd> rxKaffee: well, I wanted a way to use my same desktop wherever
[08:25] <Bogus8> kyncani: if it's so neccissary then why is flagged to be removed if I pull bittorrent?
[08:25] <lockd> rxKaffee: and if I'm at the local system, would I get graphics accel and all that?
[08:25] <sSiroSoriSs> do you believe in jesus lockd?
[08:26] <nalpha> MasterShrek: sorry, but currently I'm not the found of the bug, it's my brother :( same with you, I work hard to do the job well, but my brother just find the bug... very anoyying
[08:26] <lockd> rxKaffee: (at local, I still need all the windows to stay )
[08:26] <e-Hernick> Sithe: comment out lines 97 and 98, HorizSync and VertRefresh
[08:26] <Gh0st> ntfsresize -s /dev/sda3 <Size>; How do I specify the size?
[08:26] <kyncani> Bogus8: ubuntu-desktop is a package selection made by ubuntu's devs, and they have selected bittorent.
[08:26] <gonzoism> e-Hernick i've done that.  still freezes.  i think it has something to do with HALd  or hald.   its not X.
[08:26] <rxKaffee> lockd: no, I don't think there are any remote's that give acceleration
[08:26] <e-Hernick> Sithe: and try again without these two lines
[08:26] <Cypher21> I can't do any thing on ubuntu becuase emerald i not loading or something!
[08:26] <Cypher21> !
[08:26] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Comment out means to delete?
[08:26] <linux_> someone ?
[08:26] <lockd> rxKaffee: there's indirect rendering or something of the likes
[08:26] <|_ocke> meh
[08:26] <Bogus8> kyncani: hmm, ok, well I'm unselecting it
[08:26] <e-Hernick> Sithe: yeah, you can delete them or add # as the first character of the line
[08:26] <lockd> rxKaffee: but that's pure X
[08:27] <|_ocke> this 'lockd' really is confusing me
[08:27] <rxKaffee> lockd: though you can connect to the vncserver from either the local system, or any remote networked one with a vnc client
[08:27] <|_ocke> heh
[08:27] <gonzoism> Sithe   a comment looks like this:
[08:27] <kyncani> Bogus8: keeping bittorent won't do any harm anyway.
[08:27] <lockd> rxKaffee: could I actually attach X things to screen, or does it work like that?
[08:27] <gonzoism> #sith  comments start with a "#"  they get ignored.
[08:27] <Sithe> Alright
[08:27] <gnuskool> Cypher21, are you getting an error message?what specifically is happening, can your mouse move, can you open apps??
[08:27] <|_ocke> why must there be users in my regular channels with similar nicks??? :D
[08:27] <Bogus8> kyncani: I wouldn't have installed it to start with if I had the choice
[08:27] <f0rqu3> http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9986/screenshotiu5.png
[08:27] <e-Hernick> deleting a line in xorg.conf or commenting it out has the same effect
[08:27] <|_ocke> shiiiiiiiit
[08:28] <rxKaffee> lockd: I don't think screen is capable of anything more graphical than ncurses
[08:28] <Jamesinator> !language | |_ocke
[08:28] <ubot3> |_ocke: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:28] <kyncani> Bogus8: well, you can remove it but then you won't have the services of package selection ubuntu's devs have made.
[08:28] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Like this?: #	HorizSync	28-51
[08:28] <e-Hernick> lockd: there are graphical equivalents to screen
[08:28] <Sithe> #	VertRefresh	43-60
[08:28] <e-Hernick> Sithe: yes
[08:28] <ubotu> |_ocke: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:28] <nalpha> MasterShrek: If you like you can try defcon? already hear about that?
[08:28] <bullgard4> English help wanted: What does mean 'to page' in man more: "More is a filter for paging through text one screenful at a time."
[08:28] <gonzoism> e-Hernick   i think i am going to try upgrading kernels.   any pointers for me ?  i did that on fedora a while back and never got the initrd.gz thing down, and i think ubuntu works the same way.
[08:28] <Gh0st> Anybody mind helping?
[08:28] <Bogus8> kyncani: yeah, I'll have the package selection that *I* have made... which ironically is what *I* want
[08:28] <rxKaffee> bullgard4: splitting a very long section of text into multiple sections that fit on the screen
[08:28] <Bogus8> ;)
[08:29] <lockd> e-Hernick: what, and do they work well and with GL accel?
[08:29] <e-Hernick> bullgard4: well, let's say that you have a text file ten pages long.. if you 'cat' it, the ten pages display at once.. if you run it through a pager like 'less' or 'more', it displays one page at a time
[08:29] <rxKaffee> bullgard4: each section fitted to your display is one "page"
[08:29] <MasterShrek> no nalpha is it linux caompatible?
[08:29] <|_ocke> does anyone have any ide how i can get the real nvidia drivers installed when i cant get the installer to run and restricted-manager screws it up and leaves me with a commandline
[08:29] <gnuskool> Gh0st, whats happening ?
[08:29] <SuperLag> I doubt this is anyone's problem but my own, but have no way to test. Are the mirrors slower than usual tonight?
[08:29] <gonzoism> !ask | gh0st
[08:29] <ubot3> gh0st: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:29] <ubotu> gh0st: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:29] <|_ocke> i need another option
[08:29] <|_ocke> or something
[08:29] <kyncani> Bogus8: for example, if the devs think a new app should be installed by default with gutsy, they are likely to mention the new dependency in ubuntu-desktop.
[08:29] <Sithe> e-hernick: restart X?
[08:29] <GothCloud> My computer is so slow.... Its hamsters running on a wheel and memorizing numbers I shout at them
[08:29] <nalpha> MasterShrek: don't know, but is uplink has linux compatible ?
[08:29] <e-Hernick> Sithe: after saving xorg.conf, restart X, yes
[08:29] <|_ocke> i had opengl in 6.10 just fine
[08:29] <|_ocke> i upgraded to 7.04 and nada
[08:29] <ggoogi> lockd: i'd like to have a non-root user control other users. for example, non-root A controls users B, C, D, and E.
[08:29] <gonzoism> GothCloud  how many mhz ?
[08:29] <Bogus8> kyncani: hmmm... this is starting to turn me off to ubuntu
[08:29] <|_ocke> a lot of stuff was screwed up
[08:30] <MasterShrek> nalpha, yes it has a linux patch
[08:30] <SuperLag> I'm getting < 50k from the main mirror, and it just seems like it should be going much faster
[08:30] <bmachine> hey yalls
[08:30] <|_ocke> i just finally found out i needed to run dpkg -reconfigure or whatever
[08:30] <lockd> ggoogi: what do you mean control other users?
[08:30] <bullgard4> rxKaffee, e-Hernick: Thank you very much for explaining.
[08:30] <|_ocke> and got all those packages reconfigured, so apt-get can work now
[08:30] <GothCloud> gonzoism: 1500
[08:30] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: Well, when I went to 'Apply' in gparted, told me that something was wrong. And, to use the ntfsresize -i option to found out how much I can shrink (split).
[08:30] <bmachine> anyone like the fluxbox ?
[08:30] <ggoogi> lockd: read and write their files.
[08:30] <|_ocke> and installed restricted-manager, which said it could and woudl install nvidia drivers, and i did
[08:30] <nalpha> MasterShrek: just check http://www.introversion.co.uk/ it's better than uplink i suggest, but can't had money to buy it
[08:30] <aba_ec> ggoogi: you can set the same root UID to user A
[08:30] <|_ocke> so it did it, and said it worked great
[08:30] <f0rqu3> bmachine, yes
[08:30] <|_ocke> and restarted
[08:30] <Jamesinator> !chmod | ggoogi
[08:30] <ubot3> ggoogi: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:30] <ubotu> ggoogi: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:31] <neozen> nalpha: as in uplink the game by introversion... yeah.. they support linux
[08:31] <aba_ec> then user A will have the same privileges as root
[08:31] <bmachine> f0rqu3, how u got urs setup?
[08:31] <Jamesinator> !ops | ubot3 and ubotu are warring
[08:31] <ubot3> ubot3 and ubotu are warring: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[08:31] <ubotu> ubot3 and ubotu are warring: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[08:31] <ubot3> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.2-1.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 136 kB
[08:31] <gonzoism> GothCloud   bah !  that's fast....    is it like a problem slow or just not fast enough for you ?
[08:31] <|_ocke> and could only load commandline, (gthough thats better than before i had gui and no commandline login prompts)
[08:31] <aba_ec> but that's a security risk
[08:31] <GothCloud> gonzoism: Just....slowish
[08:31] <Myrtti> hmmm
[08:31] <lockd> aba_ec: it wouldn't, ggoogi is only talking about user files
[08:31] <jetscreamer> ubot3: owner
[08:31] <ubot3> Factoid owner not found
[08:31] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: the way I understand it, ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop are only meta-packages.. it doesn't change anything if you uninstall them, your ubuntu should work the same without them..
[08:31] <lockd> aba_ec: it's still security risk though
[08:31] <Sithe> e-Hernick: That worked. Does the deletion of those two lines have any negative effects?
[08:31] <gnuskool> Gh0st, what was 'wrong' can you pastebin it? or type it?
[08:31] <neozen> nalpha: you'll need a patch as the original distributed version has some broken libs
[08:31] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: So, I'm in the terminal and I ran the command, and I have it up to: ntfsresize -s /dev/sda3 But, I need to know how to specify the size to resize.
[08:31] <kyncani> Bogus8: well, try running debian sid for some time and you're more likely to understand that specifically replacing sysvinit with upstart is a bother.
[08:31] <|_ocke> but i logged in, startx didnt work,tried to install NVIDIA drivers manually, gave about 40 errors but said it completed, though didnt work
[08:31] <lockd> aba_ec: just not "same privileges" as root
[08:31] <nixternal> haha
[08:31] <SuperLag> you guys getting slow connections to the mirrors tonight? or is it just me?
[08:31] <|_ocke> i need some more options
[08:31] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: I'm going to give it a go... I REALLY want to try and like ubuntu
[08:31] <|_ocke> i need a cigarette now though
[08:32] <|_ocke> damn..
[08:32] <Jamesinator> Thanks
[08:32] <gonzoism> GothCloud  you using gnome or kde ?   try fluxbox. i'm dual processors, 2.8 ghz i think and i love flux.  been using it since like 2002 or something
[08:32] <kyncani> Bogus8: if you don't have the package selection already made for you
[08:32] <Bogus8> kyncani: I run sid and etchy... more so etchy than sid... and I've had no real problems
[08:32] <bmachine> anyone like the fluxbox ?
[08:32] <korovyov> hey--im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop--cd worked fine on my desktop so its not a bad burn
[08:32] <GothCloud> gonzoism: Ubuntu, gnome I think
[08:32] <Myrtti> argghh.
[08:32] <rxKaffee> <3 fluxbox on gentu
[08:32] <e-Hernick> Sithe: no, it's all good. What happened is that (probably before you switched to fglrx) ubuntu misdetected the specifications of your monitor.. by deleting those two lines, you tell X and fglrx to autodetect the specs (capabilities) of your monitor every time it starts
[08:32] <rxKaffee> *gentoo
[08:32] <Jamesinator> !ubotu > Jamesinator
[08:32] <kyncani> Bogus8: oh, thought you were not aware of these problem, sorry :)
[08:32] <gonzoism> bmachine  yeah
[08:32] <gnuskool> bmachine, flux is my default
[08:32] <e-Hernick> Sithe: if you know the specs of your monitor, you can hardcode them in xorg.conf and save a few milliseconds every time you start X
[08:32] <lockd> e-Hernick: you said you knew of a graphical equivalent to gnu screen
[08:32] <neozen> bmachine: for lightweight systems, I prefer xfce
[08:32] <rxKaffee> I run gnome on my intel 1ghz box with 512mb, I have beryl running, its pretty smooth
[08:33] <Jamesinator> Cripes, ubot3 is still on the loose
[08:33] <e-Hernick> lockd: yes, it's called nx
[08:33] <Bogus8> kyncani: I'm not experiencing problems with debian
[08:33] <korovyov> but during bootup it flashes bug and some numbers and then panels dont appear
[08:33] <bmachine> neozen, xface eh?
[08:33] <Sithe> e-hernick: What specs would I need to know?
[08:33] <Bogus8> kyncani: I install the packages I need and it doesn't really force me to have stuff I don't
[08:33] <e-Hernick> Sithe: the HorizSync and VertRefresh
[08:33] <neozen> bmachine: aye, xfce
[08:33] <Jamesinator> Thank you, finally. :D
[08:33] <neozen> goes like hell on this 1.4ghz
[08:33] <GothCloud> and another ban to the huge banlist
[08:33] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Is there any windows program that can do that? I have windows on this computer too, on a different harddrive
[08:33] <ggoogi> aba_ec: I don't want to give the non-root user A a root privilege.
[08:33] <Bogus8> kyncani: example I don't need a VOIP client but ubuntu devs seem to think I do... so I think it needs to be removed
[08:33] <kyncani> Bogus8: ;) Switched from sid to gutsy 10 months ago because i would spend too much time with sid :)
[08:33] <neozen> though I suppose anything would..
[08:34] <e-Hernick> Sithe: you can learn what they are by taking a look at your /var/log/Xorg.log.0 (or similar name) that will contain the results of the autodetection
[08:34] <todkon> I just installed Ubuntu 7.04 and it says during start up that Apt-get isn't installed... then i type reboot and GDM starts... How do I fix the startup problem?
[08:34] <e-Hernick> Sithe: but you really don't need to have them in there
[08:34] <Bogus8> kyncani: did you try etchy?
[08:34] <e-Hernick> Sithe: they'll be autodetected just fine
[08:34] <lockd> e-Hernick: it does support graphics rendering? plus, I found client hard to build, and the closed source one outright crashed
[08:34] <e-Hernick> I mean, you've got 1680x1060 now?
[08:34] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Thats cool. Few miliseconds doesn't matter to me
[08:34] <e-Hernick> 1050
[08:34] <kyncani> Bogus8: drivers and kernel problems (at the very least)
[08:34] <bmachine> neozen, does it minimalize the work area ?
[08:34] <gnuskool> Gh0st, i dont know the command myself, i use the graphical option which is a bootcd called parted magic, i may have mentioned it to you earlier.its a small download, looks and works like partmagic, so you just type in the size you want or drag the pointer, try it if all else fails, its by far the easiest
[08:34] <lockd> e-Hernick: I had more luck with dxpc which does not have the screen like features
[08:34] <korovyov> hey--im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop--cd worked fine on my desktop so its not a bad burn
[08:34] <korovyov> hey--im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop--cd worked fine on my desktop so its not a bad burn
[08:34] <aba_ec> ggoogi: please give us some aditional information
[08:34] <korovyov> but during bootup it flashes bug and some numbers and then panels dont appear
[08:34] <Bogus8> kyncani: with etchy?
[08:34] <neozen> bmachine: what do you mean?
[08:35] <e-Hernick> lockd: nx is a pain to get working
[08:35] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Should I stick with fglrx or switch back to ATI drivers? I think the ATI driver is what messed it up in the first place
[08:35] <rxKaffee> ggoogi: add your "special" user to a group that other users are not in, run a crontab periodically to chown/chmod all users files to be writable by that group
[08:35] <kyncani> Bogus8: with ubuntu 6.10 even ...
[08:35] <e-Hernick> lockd: but when it works, it's awesome
[08:35] <neozen> bmachine: you can have it take up as much or as little as you want
[08:35] <Twomby> is there a graphical configuration tool for samba in feisty fawn, or is everyting still configurable via smb.conf ?
[08:35] <rxKaffee> e-Hernick: it ran pretty easy for me, after I realised I needed the same version number for both client and server
[08:35] <kyncani> Bogus8: and i have yet to see debian get a new version in a timely manner ... ...
[08:35] <ggoogi> aba_ec: what additional info? i want a non-root user to be able to read and write some other users' files.
[08:35] <GothCloud> I am thinking about going from Ubuntu to Solaris 10....
[08:35] <rxKaffee> it didn't seem to have any better features than vnc though to me
[08:35] <e-Hernick> Sithe: You'll have to try both out. Save your xorg.conf, try switching to the ati driver, see if it works better for you. If it doesn't, switch back to your olf xorg.conf
[08:35] <neozen> bmachine: think of it as anemic gnome... that still supports gtk themes
[08:35] <GothCloud> any good?
[08:35] <e-Hernick> s/olf/old/
[08:35] <bmachine> neozen, well fluxbox focalizes in just giving your right click on desktop option to open your files apps, etc.
[08:36] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: hm...Well, I don't have that on here...(Jeez, this was unexpected...I expected to be running Ubuntu off hard disk by now...).
[08:36] <Bogus8> kyncani: understood with that... but I don't feel like "deadlines" are good when you are dealing with creativity like programming
[08:36] <lockd> e-Hernick: I just hope someone backports the features to the server-proxy and client-proxy model (which the "delta" compression X uses)
[08:36] <bmachine> neozen, makes it cleaner and gives more window to use
[08:36] <Bogus8> kyncani: want a great example of that look at Vista ;)
[08:36] <ggoogi> rxKaffee: thanks. i will try that.
[08:36] <e-Hernick> my experience is that there are two good video drivers for linux.. the intel open source driver, and the nvidia closed-source driver
[08:36] <neozen> I've found the notes one particularly useful
[08:36] <kyncani> Bogus8: yeah, but the result is that my harware, already not supported with etch, may not be supported for quite some time ... so it's a no-go :(
[08:36] <Sithe> e-Hernick: I didn't like ATI, WoW and CSS were crashing. Does fglrx lack any quality that ATI doesn't?
[08:37] <e-Hernick> Sithe: I don't know.
[08:37] <neozen> and the themes.. sooo pretty
[08:37] <kyncani> Bogus8: I miss the strict debian policies though :'(
[08:37] <aba_ec> googgi: put all the users in the same group
[08:37] <lockd> e-Hernick: I'm looking forward to getting a box with intel card, even though nVidia is good
[08:37] <Bogus8> kyncani: seems like just like in ubuntu you just need a well motivated debian guy to make that hardware work... luck of the draw?
[08:37] <rxKaffee> any ideas what would cause ubuntu's graphical user creation tool to create directorys in the created user's homedir that are owned by root? Pictures, Music, Documents, etc.
[08:37] <aba_ec> ggoogi: and give write access to the group (chmod)
[08:37] <bmachine> neozen, i think i'll try it
[08:38] <kyncani> Bogus8: Well, i worked in feisty alpha in december 2006 ...
[08:38] <rxKaffee> aba_ec: but then each user could edit the others' files
[08:38] <gnuskool> Gh0st, just checking, are you dual-booting? are you running gparted from within your primary linux installation?
[08:38] <gnuskool> Gh0st, what i mean is, are you trying to resize a partition youre booting from+
[08:38] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Thanks for all your help! You should charge for your services! lol
[08:38] <neozen> bmachine: you'll find a shot of what mine used to look like before I stripped it down here: http://neozen.homelinux.org/index.png
[08:38] <rxKaffee> aba_ec: and you'd have to rely on them having a common shell init file to umask the files to group write
[08:38] <Bogus8> kyncani: I just found a fortune cookie app installed... really is that needed? ;)
[08:38] <e-Hernick> Sithe: I usually do :)
[08:39] <GothCloud> Is solaris 10 any better/worse than Ubuntu 7.04?
[08:39] <sauvin> Worse, I'd think.
[08:39] <rxKaffee> solaris is still on version 10?
[08:39] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: Haha. I'm trying to format the partition to install Ubuntu to so I CAN boot fomr that partition.
[08:39] <kyncani> Bogus8: yeah, but for an average user, it's the way it should be.
[08:39] <kyncani> Bogus8: i mean, newcomers don't even know gnome or kde !
[08:39] <e-Hernick> GothCloud: It depends on what you plan to do with it. If you're trying to build a RAID-Z+ZFS-backed Samba server, Opensolaris is the only choice.
[08:39] <Bogus8> kyncani: a fortune cookie app?  two works for ya.... come on! ;)
[08:39] <rxKaffee> Bogus8: you want an os that installs minimal utilities? put on Gentoo or Slackware
[08:40] <GothCloud> e-Hernick: Just compare the two
[08:40] <Sailing> hi
[08:40] <GothCloud> Is that i want to do
[08:40] <rxKaffee> Bogus8: Ubuntu's meant to be "shiny" as it comes out of the box
[08:40] <e-Hernick> GothCloud: Well, you should install both.
[08:40] <kyncani> Bogus8: well, yeah :) rotfl
[08:40] <aba_ec> rxKaffee: ok
[08:40] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: I just wish I could have had an option... and I'm not complaining about the apps as much as me and kyncani are just discussing the pro's and con's of it
[08:40] <GothCloud> e-Hernick: Okay, thx
[08:40] <Sithe> Sorry to ask this here but noone in the cedega channel is responding. Does anyone have WoW running with cedega? Or know the appropriate settings to use with a given graphics card/driver?
[08:40] <e-Hernick> GothCloud: this is for a server-type application, right?
[08:41] <e-Hernick> GothCloud: if so, you should compare ubuntu server edition with opensolaris express
[08:41] <rxKaffee> Bogus8: I believe there's a text-installer for ubuntu that allows individual package de-selection
[08:41] <GothCloud> e-Hernick: Just see which I like better for a Desktop OS
[08:41] <e-Hernick> GothCloud: oh, there is no question about that, Ubuntu is by far the best desktop OS
[08:41] <e-Hernick> there is no hesitation to be had here
[08:41] <e-Hernick> Ubuntu all the way
[08:41] <GothCloud> okay
[08:41] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: I looked around on the boot screen and couldn't find anything... so I just went with it
[08:41] <kyncani> Bogus8: Maybe some big metapackages, not just ubuntu and kubuntu in an interface ala automatix-like would do it
[08:41] <Twomby> is there a graphical configuration tool for samba in feisty fawn, or is everyting still configurable via smb.conf ?
[08:41] <jetscreamer> !info usplash
[08:41] <ubotu> usplash: Userspace bootsplash utility. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4-44 (feisty), package size 22 kB, installed size 144 kB
[08:41] <neozen> bmachine: and here's what it looks like post retrofit: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~neozen/ss.png
[08:42] <e-Hernick> Twomby: samba has been shipping with a web configuration interface (SWAT) for a long time
[08:42] <Bogus8> kyncani: yeah, I just don't like the "meta package" naming scheme... it makes it seem very important when apparently it isn't
[08:42] <kyncani> Bogus8: well, it's much better thant tasksel
[08:42] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: naming things is all about compromise
[08:42] <gnuskool> Gh0st, pastebin fdisk -l
[08:43] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: if you want to complain about something, complain about how all KDE apps must start or end by a K :)
[08:43] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: yeah, but "ubuntu-desktop" is quite intimidating to say "yeah, remove that"
[08:43] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: Pastebin?
[08:43] <lockd> e-Hernick: ooh, just discovered something called xmove
[08:43] <rxKaffee> dotcom
[08:43] <kyncani> I complain about some kde apps *not* starting with a K for myself
[08:43] <Sailing> any one from china?
[08:43] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: indeed, but when you remove apps parts of the base ubuntu-desktop collection, you don't quite have a normal ubuntu desktop anymore
[08:43] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: well, at least you know what it belongs to... I don't mind that sort of thing.... but yeah... I'm sure they could have done something better
[08:44] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: Is that a lower-case L?
[08:44] <bjames> hi all
[08:44] <Twomby> e-Hernick : Thanks, I'll check this out
[08:44] <Twomby> :)
[08:44] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: users shouldn't be encouraged to remove default apps
[08:44] <kyncani> And if I remember correctly, the upgrade path 6.10->7.04 involves reinstalling ubuntu-desktop if you removed it ...
[08:44] <e-Hernick> having a set of apps shared by all ubuntu desktops is a good idea..
[08:44] <walls> I put the iso file into a CD-R CD and it doesnt boot at startup, can someone please help (yes, my Boot priorety is set to have CD rom as #1)
[08:44] <|_ocke> gah
[08:44] <|_ocke> :(
[08:44] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: no but "ubuntu-desktop" sounds like it's going to remove X or something (especially for the inexperienced)
[08:44] <|_ocke> i want my opengl :(:(:(
[08:44] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: I suppose so..
[08:44] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: they should all be using "fortune cookie"? LOL
[08:44] <|_ocke> Bogaurd, ubuntu-desktop is the default desktop environment under gnome
[08:44] <|_ocke> er
[08:45] <|_ocke> Bogus8,
[08:45] <rxKaffee> walls: is it a finalized single session cdr with proper bootup files?
[08:45] <GothCloud> I tried having Ubuntu load in a virtual PC, but the graphics are all screwed up
[08:45] <kyncani> Well, if dependencies were strict, it _should_ remove X ...
[08:45] <e-Hernick> Bogus8: of course, fortune has been shipping with UNIX for decades, it's an undying tradition
[08:45] <Bogus8> |_ocke: I was told it was a meta package and not really needed
[08:45] <bjames> I remember reading about an application that acts as a shortcut to lots of other applications - you just start typing and it finds programs, searches the internet, etc. Now I've found the Windows version "launchy" but what is the Linux version called?
[08:45] <neozen> e-Hernick: if experienced users don't use it ... why have it eat up disk space.... then again... one could postulate that such "experienced users" wouldn't use an ubuntu
[08:45] <|_ocke> i dont have fortune :(
[08:45] <rxKaffee> walls: and did you burn it as an image, or data file?
[08:45] <e-Hernick> disk space
[08:45] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: well, aside from that there are others that don't need to be there
[08:45] <e-Hernick> you're talking about experienced users caring about disk space?
[08:45] <|_ocke> Bogus8, yes, in a sense, but its the default graphical interface for ubuntu
[08:45] <|_ocke> that is what is installed so you can have the gnome desktop
[08:45] <bjames> dash?
[08:45] <e-Hernick> about saving 500 megs by uninstalling apps? on a desktop distribution?
[08:46] <e-Hernick> I don't think so, this is 2007
[08:46] <e-Hernick> you don't uninstall apps because you're out of disk space
[08:46] <lockd> experienced users have cash
[08:46] <GothCloud> e-Hernick: I do :D
[08:46] <bjames> katapult?
[08:46] <e-Hernick> you do it because you're a neatfreak who doesn't want cluttered menus
[08:46] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: I install systems that go into the gulf of mexico weekly... so I set up "default/base" systems all the time... and I give somethings they dont' "need" but it's only things like GAIM and such... which lots SHOULD use vs trying to install the real yahoo client
[08:46] <rxKaffee> GothCloud: thats only because you don't have enough pr0n
[08:46] <lockd> unless they -teach- IT
[08:46] <walls> rxKaffee: oh i see my problem =) it needs to be burned as an image right?
[08:46] <Bogus8> e-Hernick: and plus they use what I say they use ;)
[08:46] <Gh0st> Wow. I'm pretty confused, now.
[08:46] <xylan> morning
[08:46] <neozen> e-Hernick: lol... this is true
[08:47] <Bogus8> |_ocke: we'll see, I'm about to pull it
[08:47] <neozen> e-Hernick: I'm all about killing the clutter
[08:47] <rxKaffee> walls: correct, if you view the cdr in mycomputer or such after burning, it should have several directorys showing, rather than an ubuntu-install.iso or such
[08:47] <kyncani> Bogus8: yeah, but these system have a professionnal to set them up (you)
[08:47] <walls> ok thanks rxKaffee!
[08:47] <rxKaffee> walls: no problem, good luck
[08:47] <gnuskool> Gh0st, yah its lowercase l. goto pastebin.com. open xterm, type in fdisk -l, copy the results, paste it into the text area in pastebin.com, enter your name etc, then youll be given a url, copy that url, give that to me here, so i can see what xtrem said to you hehe
[08:47] <e-Hernick> kyncani: exactly.. managed computers where the users aren't root..
[08:47] <Bogus8> kyncani: right... I'm just saying I'm not going to install gimp on these systems because they would never use them
[08:48] <Bogus8> hell most average users would never use gimp on linux... it's too complex
[08:48] <rxKaffee> I've never met a user who never needed to edit an image
[08:48] <Bogus8> and I use photoshop
[08:48] <GothCloud> I wonder if Photoshop CS3 will run in wine
[08:48] <rxKaffee> gimp is WAY easier than photoshop
[08:48] <e-Hernick> GIMP isn't that hard
[08:48] <neozen> Bogus8: I spent about 3 hours in gimp one day
[08:48] <kyncani> Yeah, average users would not even know how to install gimp if it was not already there
[08:48] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: it's just too complex for your average user
[08:48] <GothCloud> rxKaffee: I find the contrary
[08:48] <rxKaffee> the only decent photo editor thats easier than gimp is paintshop pro version 5
[08:48] <kyncani> Or they would download gimp on gimp.org and then wonder how to install it :'(
[08:48] <Bogus8> hmm I'm dense then... I use PS with no problems but gimp gives me trouble
[08:48] <neozen> Bogus8: haven't poked it since..... but its nice to know its there if I need it
[08:48] <Bogus8> (the windows version at least)
[08:49] <rxKaffee> Bogus8: which did you "learn" first? PS or Gimp?
[08:49] <GothCloud> PS
[08:49] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: PS
[08:49] <rxKaffee> its harder to unlearn bad habbits than to start new ones
[08:49] <kyncani> Paint here :)
[08:49] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: understandable... but I can objectively look at apps usually from a fresh user prospective
[08:49] <top10k> I bet you are
[08:49] <e-Hernick> Well, let's not think for a second that the GIMP is anywhere near as powerful as the ultimate program, Photoshop...
[08:49] <neozen> heh... all hail the win31 pbrush.exe!!!!
[08:50] <kyncani> :))
[08:50] <Bogus8> I actually learned on mac's paint back in the 80's
[08:50] <top10k> Corel Photo maybe?
[08:50] <Bogus8> black and white baby
[08:50] <e-Hernick> GIMP is more like Paint Shop Pro
[08:50] <gnuskool> Gh0st, you enter it as Leon?
[08:51] <kyncani> Gvim for windows, yeah ! (curse them)
[08:51] <neozen> ...................I prefer regular vim
[08:51] <rxKaffee> I prefer nano
[08:51] <e-Hernick> my favourite windows app is putty
[08:51] <e-Hernick> I used to like nano
[08:51] <neozen> to each their own... that's what linux is all about
[08:51] <e-Hernick> I put off learning vim for like 8 years
[08:51] <neozen> lol
[08:51] <e-Hernick> now I cannot understand why I didn't learn it sooner..
[08:52] <neozen> me too
[08:52] <e-Hernick> and I hate myself for not having memorized all commands yet
[08:52] <e-Hernick> vim is so much more powerful than I know how to use it..
[08:52] <neozen> now I want to scream at an ide when I whack esc-dd and the line doesn't disappear
[08:52] <rxKaffee> the only thing about nano that I dislike is skipping long distances into the middle of a line on an uberlaggy connection
[08:52] <godlygeek> vim rules. :)
[08:52] <kyncani> Especially when you're stuck on some very old unices
[08:52] <gnuskool> Gh0st, ok you nearly there, but first open a terminal, you know how?, its the same place where youre trying to resize the partition from i think, so, go there and type in fdisk -l, copy the result and paste it into pastebin
[08:53] <e-Hernick> while vim is awesome, emacs is the devil...
[08:53] <godlygeek> trying to install from a livecd, i get "the file system... assigned to / has not been marked for formatting..." and it won't let me install there... is there any way around that?  I know you can install without reformatting from the alt cd's...
[08:53] <e-Hernick> emacs users go home!
[08:54] <neozen> e-Hernick: I've got a buddy who does lisp development for a living.... he lives in emacs
[08:54] <Gh0s1> Hello?
[08:54] <godlygeek> emacs does, indeed, suck.  so does lisp.  X-p
[08:54] <Gh0s1> >.<
[08:54] <rxKaffee> Gh0s1: hiroshiX
[08:54] <rxKaffee> er
[08:54] <rxKaffee> *hi
[08:54] <e-Hernick> neozen: well, a lisp/emacs master is a force to be reckoned with
[08:54] <kyncani> Very good for ada too
[08:54] <gnuskool> Ghos1, same as Gh0st??
[08:54] <e-Hernick> neozen: but those people do not thing as we do
[08:54] <e-Hernick> s/thing/think/
[08:54] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool: Yes. Something messed up on connection.
[08:55] <neozen> I've just gotten stuck on vim with syntax highlighting......
[08:55] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool: I opend xterm and typed in fdisk -l. I didn't get anything.
[08:55] <godlygeek> haha, try though i might, i'll never be able to think as a functional programmer.  recursion instead of loops... *shudder*
[08:55] <gnuskool> Gh0s1, you in livecd?
[08:55] <Gh0s1> Yes.
[08:55] <neozen> such a simple thing that I had never encountered before outside of a full on (and slow as hell) IDE... in such a small tight package
[08:56] <rxKaffee> -l sweetch needs root-permissions
[08:56] <neozen> now.. I fly around in vim
[08:56] <rxKaffee> sudo or su, or somesuch
[08:56] <neozen> seems almost flow of consciousness
[08:56] <e-Hernick> my favourite, sudo su -
[08:56] <Gh0s1> Thanks, rxKafee
[08:56] <neozen> e-Hernick: sudo -s
[08:56] <kyncani> sudo -i
[08:56] <neozen> does the same thing
[08:56] <gnuskool> gh0s1, how about cfdisk
[08:56] <godlygeek> e-Hernick: sudo -s -H
[08:57] <gnuskool> gh0s1, how about or parted?
[08:57] <bz0b> hey everyone
[08:57] <Gh0s1> Got FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[08:57] <neozen> and semi-autocompletion.... oh how I adore it
[08:57] <bz0b> does anyone here have a ubundell
[08:57] <rxKaffee> so nobody use the graphical interface to manage(add/delete) user accounts?
[08:57] <neozen> rxKaffee: never touched it
[08:57] <e-Hernick> sudo su - is prettier than sudo -s -H
[08:57] <godlygeek> rxKaffee: command line is better.  :)
[08:57] <neozen> rxKaffee: there is one?
[08:57] <gnuskool> gh0s1, or parted i meant to say
[08:58] <godlygeek> e-Hernick: might as well do 'sudo bash', then
[08:58] <rxKaffee> neozen: I'm told thats where the Pictures, Templates, Documents directorys came from
[08:58] <Gh0s1> Wait...Now I;m getting confused...
[08:58] <gnuskool> Gh0s1, sudo fdisk?
[08:58] <e-Hernick> godlygeek: no, doesn't so the same thing
[08:58] <kyncani> godlygeek: sudo bash won't execute /etc/profile as root
[08:58] <neozen> lol
[08:58] <neozen> right
[08:58] <Gh0s1> I typed in sudo fdisk -l.
[08:58] <neozen> night all
[08:58] <Gh0s1> Then I got something.
[08:58] <Bogus8> why does my app go black and white?
[08:59] <gnuskool> Gh0s1, paste into pastebin
[08:59] <Gh0s1> Ok.
[08:59] <kyncani> Bogus8: because you removed ubuntu-desktop ;) (kidding)
[08:59] <Bogus8> kyncani: LOL it was doing that before :p
[08:59] <bz0b> does anyone know where i can find this driver
[08:59] <bz0b> 03:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd Unknown device 0832
[08:59] <godlygeek> kyncani: ah.  didn't know that.  *shrug*, i've been a proud zsh user for 2 or 3 years now, forgot a lot of my bash knowledge
[08:59] <Bogus8> kyncani: I was just googling it trying to figure it out on my own
[09:00] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool: http://pastebin.com/m7839760
[09:00] <kyncani> Bogus8: well, must be the fortune thing then ;)
[09:00] <GothCloud> more!
[09:00] <Bogus8> kyncani: I hadn't removed anything at that point :p
[09:00] <wnet><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:00] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool: Do you want to show you you what I'm trying to do in gparted?
[09:01] <Bogus8> kyncani: from what I've gathered on google it might be related to compiz
[09:01] <kyncani> godlygeek: do manual partition and don't reformat
[09:01] <Bogus8> (I am running desktop effects)
[09:01] <godlygeek> nobody has a clue?  There really oughta be SOME way to override that... a "yes i know what i'm doing" switch...
[09:01] <GothCloud> It is amazing how something so random can stop a 1000 user room from saying anything for 10 seconds :P
[09:01] <godlygeek> kyncani: Doesn't help.  it tells me that
[09:01] <bz0b> how do i install compiz
[09:01] <wnet> www.friendster.com
[09:01] <rxKaffee> "manual" partition config on my install forced format on / also
[09:01] <GothCloud> I agree, is there a way to stop the partition from being so large as well?
[09:01] <GothCloud> I only want a 10GB partition
[09:02] <Bogus8> bz0b: it is installed I think... turn on desktop effects
[09:02] <godlygeek> GothCloud: THAT, you can do with a manual partition.
[09:02] <kyncani> godlygeek, rxKaffee: well, that's how i installed this box without reformating (debian sid -> ubuntu transition)
[09:02] <Gh0s1> rxKaffee: I'm having a lot of trouble with this.
[09:02] <gnuskool> Gh0st, go on then, lets see
[09:02] <jetscreamer> i asked once and was told no you have to format
[09:02] <Bogus8> bz0b: I'm new so don't qoute me but it seems that way to me
[09:02] <EJ> how the heck do i make php-nuke connect to MySQL database !!!! i've done itone other Distros but it wont do iton this one, i've created the database via command lin, phpnuke and MySQL-Admin and it keeps timing out on me.
[09:02] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool: Ok. Hold on.
[09:02] <godlygeek> kyncani: it might be new as of gutsy, which i'm trying to try.
[09:02] <jetscreamer> i found that kinda <i9nsert non-pc sexual reference here>
[09:02] <HiFiJive> Ej have you started the MYSQLD?
[09:02] <kyncani> godlygeek: eek, hope it's a gutsy bug then
[09:02] <godlygeek> kyncani: I wiped the entire disk except for /home, why won't it just let me keep that!  lol
[09:03] <EJ> err command line ,phpmyadmin and MySQL-Admin
[09:03] <MasterShrek> i have problems with programs not being able to find libgtk-1.2.so.0   im using amd64 and have the required pacakges installed
[09:03] <kyncani> godlygeek: i did the same thing with feisty
[09:03] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : yes MySQL is running
[09:03] <rxKaffee> EJ: does nuke give any error debugging?
[09:03] <EJ> yeah 1 sec
[09:03] <EJ> Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/install/install2.php on line 140
[09:03] <HiFiJive> hah
[09:03] <EJ> it does that when it tries to set up tables
[09:03] <HiFiJive> edit your php.ini
[09:04] <HiFiJive> for max execution limit
[09:04] <rxKaffee> thats an apachee error isn't it?
[09:04] <bz0b> Bogus8, wow  thanks man i like this how do i see them all as a cube
[09:04] <godlygeek> kyncani: "feature"... definitely and precisely warns you that a partition selected as /, /boot, /usr, or /var must be reformatted, but not one selected as /home, /media, /usr/local, etc...
[09:04] <xoRock> guys, just curious, wich one is better koffice vs openoffice?
[09:04] <godlygeek> xoRock: abiword.  :)
[09:04] <Bogus8> bz0b: roll an app around the corner... or flip desktops on the switcher
[09:04] <rxKaffee> HiFiJive: if its working properly, there's no reason nuke should take more than 30 sec
[09:04] <godlygeek> xoRock: If you need excel, openoffice, if you only need word, abiword.
[09:04] <kyncani> godlygeek: ... stupid braindead feature ...
[09:04] <Bogus8> bz0b: I really don't know much about this... just got it set up tonight
[09:05] <godlygeek> kyncani: Agreed.  I don't have enough space to juggle that directory to some other drive...
[09:05] <Gh0s1> Gnuskool & rxKaffee: http://i16.tinypic.com/6aess4i
[09:05] <Bogus8> bz0b: if you find a good reference for "tricks" let me know I haven't had a chance to look yet
[09:05] <HiFiJive> Ubuntu 7.02 will not boot on my Neo2 915p/g w/nvidia 7600gs
[09:05] <Gh0s1> That's what I want to do with the partition.
[09:05] <xoRock> godlygeek, ^^ how about koffice?
[09:05] <kyncani> godlygeek: well, i guess you could make a small partition, install ubuntu on it, then just move everything onto your big partition and set up fstab and grub then
[09:06] <godlygeek> kyncani: Yeh, i think i'm gonna have to.
[09:06] <godlygeek> kyncani: that was my fallback plan, heh
[09:06] <kyncani> godlygeek: if there really is no way to tell the installer not to reformat
[09:06] <rxKaffee> Gh0s1: I don't know anything about gpartd, sorry
[09:06] <godlygeek> kyncani: not one that i can see.  :)
[09:06] <kyncani> Goddamn braindead feature ...
[09:06] <godlygeek> kyncani: it was discussed in this channel a few months ago, and the only responses were "don't do that"
[09:06] <bz0b> brb
[09:06] <godlygeek> xoRock: never played around much with koffice
[09:07] <godlygeek> xoRock: It didn't SEEM to have support for .ppt's
[09:07] <Ghost> rxKaffee: It's ok. >.<
[09:07] <xoRock> godlygeek, ic ok
[09:07] <godlygeek> xoRock: And since i need to use those occassionally, i needed to have ooo installed.
[09:07] <kyncani> godlygeek: or you could use debootstrap but it will take more time i think
[09:07] <Twomby>  "Nautilus cannot display "smb://desktoptommy/f/music"  Please select another viewer and try again --> I always get this error when trying to access my Windows box.  Any insights ?
[09:07] <godlygeek> xoRock: and i figured, no reason for both ooo and koffice.
[09:07] <HiFiJive> anyone here have MSI neo2 915 Mobo?
[09:08] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : whats a good time limit 120 ?
[09:08] <Johnyluv> may i get a lil help please
[09:08] <rxKaffee> EJ: I think the better route would be figuring out why its taking so long to execute
[09:08] <HiFiJive> whats its default value?
[09:08] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : 30
[09:08] <Johnyluv> from someone. wondering how can transfer files
[09:08] <godlygeek> kyncani: and i know nothing about debootstrap.  I'll just try to turn off my swap partition, grow it, install ubuntu, mv the files back to where i want them, and reformat as swap.
[09:08] <Johnyluv> it will not let me
[09:08] <godlygeek> kyncani: here goes nothing.  :)
[09:09] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: Transfer files... where?  and how?
[09:09] <jetscreamer> or just use debian :o
[09:09] <kyncani> godlygeek: seems right
[09:09] <jetscreamer> omg did i say that?
[09:09] <jetscreamer> :)
[09:09] <Bogus8> OT, where does the "halalalalalalalalalal!" that the arab people do come from?
[09:09] <sauvin> I think that's what Johnyluv is trying to ask :D
[09:09] <Johnyluv> wonderful ill get to you right now God
[09:09] <HiFiJive> did you apt-get myphpadmin?
[09:09] <Sithe> e-Hernick: Hey can you help me again lol?
[09:09] <ashraf> can I raise some issues with open office/
[09:09] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: Over a network?  between directories?
[09:09] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : yes i have phpmyadmin
[09:09] <Johnyluv> pc with me
[09:09] <Johnyluv> someone to help me with this problem
[09:09] <godlygeek> ashraf: issues with open office don't really belong here.
[09:09] <gnuskool> Gh0st, i minute mate
[09:09] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: you need to explain what problem you're having.
[09:10] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: Ok. No problem.
[09:10] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : i can import the .sql file but it dosent matter when i got to install php-nuke, it still times out
[09:10] <Bogus8> EJ: he asked if you used apt-get to install it... not IF you had it
[09:10] <Sithe> When I type fglrxinfo its not recognizing my graphics card.. How can I get it to?
[09:10] <godlygeek> rsync, scp, mv - all valid ways to move files around. :)
[09:10] <EJ> [ Bogus8] : and i said yes
[09:10] <kyncani> godlygeek: what if the swap partition is now mandatory :D ?
[09:10] <kyncani> (just kidding)
[09:10] <rxKaffee> godlygeek: I don't believe any of those deal with special/block files ver ywell though
[09:10] <sauvin> Johnyluv, nobody can help you until we have an idea of what you're asking FOR.
[09:10] <Bogus8> EJ: you said "yes I have phpmyadmin" that doesn't answer his question accurately
[09:10] <Johnyluv> um.. GODLYGEEK.
[09:11] <Johnyluv> just a lil help please.
[09:11] <Johnyluv> someone,
[09:11] <jetscreamer> install fglrx
[09:11] <Bogus8> EJ: you could have compiled from source
[09:11] <Bogus8> or tarball
[09:11] <EJ> why do that when theres apt-get. ive used slackware for years and have had to compile from source, and thats why i am trying this os
[09:11] <Johnyluv> how come my file will not get transerd to my friends
[09:11] <godlygeek> rxKaffee: tar -czvf - / | ssh remotehost "tar -zxvf -" or some such.  :)
[09:12] <Johnyluv> i m trying to send a file but it will not go anywher
[09:12] <Johnyluv> all i get is this
[09:12] <Johnyluv> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[09:12] <sauvin> Johnyluv, how are you trying?
[09:12] <Johnyluv> ?
[09:12] <Johnyluv> well just regular sending file.
[09:12] <godlygeek> OH!
[09:12] <sauvin> Hrm... yo're trying to dcc send a file!?
[09:12] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: Register.
[09:12] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: you have to register your name with nickserv
[09:12] <Bogus8> EJ: because some people prefer to or just don't know better... I'm sure he was just making sure you guys were on the same page
[09:12] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: or if it is already, you have to dientify to nickserv
[09:12] <EJ> [ Bogus8] : if you not going to help me plz leave me alone
[09:12] <Sithe> When I type fglrxinfo its not recognizing my graphics card.. How can I get it to?
[09:12] <Johnyluv> lol
[09:12] <Bogus8> EJ: it almost sounded like you had installed via tarball and was evading the question... but obviously you weren't
[09:12] <Johnyluv> am i being blocked?
[09:13] <Johnyluv> ok who will explain it to me , on here just find me and lets talk about this.
[09:13] <Bogus8> EJ: you are welcome to /ignore me... I was only trying to help from any confusion... jackass
[09:13] <Geek_> back
[09:13] <kyncani> Johnyluv: no, you need to register to freenode
[09:13] <Johnyluv> sorry bogus
[09:13] <Johnyluv> ok thanks
[09:14] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: you did nothing to me... it wasn't directed at you
[09:14] <EJ> [ Bogus8] : np *ignore*
[09:14] <Bogus8> good
[09:14] <Johnyluv> ok.. i m just a lil scared lol i mean to me you guys are freaken smart as hell.
[09:14] <drumline_> I've always had the feeling that upgrades leave the system with orphaned files and little loose ends...  does that happen with an Ubuntu upgrade?
[09:14] <Johnyluv> im just new at this
[09:14] <rxKaffee> EJ: nuke is using the same hostname and port as phpmyadmin?
[09:14] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: it comes with time... dont' panic :)
[09:14] <Johnyluv> cuz my friend wanted me to join it so we can exchange music from CALI to, NY
[09:14] <godlygeek> kyncani: lmao: gparted just segfaulted...  :D
[09:15] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: type that
[09:15] <Johnyluv> im going to  send you a privet messge
[09:15] <drumline_> Question; I've always had the feeling that upgrades leave the system with orphaned files and little loose ends...  does that happen with an Ubuntu upgrade?
[09:15] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: you can try me if you would like
[09:15] <Johnyluv> by the way i am one handed, just letting you guys know
[09:15] <Johnyluv> its hard for me to type
[09:15] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: you probably can not send a private message until you register with nickserv
[09:15] <Johnyluv> sorry if my spelling is not up to par
[09:15] <sauvin> I know people who type with ONE FINGER. So what?
[09:15] <kyncani> godlygeek: seems reasonable
[09:16] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: you seem to be doing just as well as anyone... but you will need to register like rxKaffee is saying
[09:16] <Gh0st> Well...I'll just wait for gnuskool so sign back on.
[09:16] <Johnyluv> ok
[09:16] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: do you use qwerty keyboard layout?
[09:16] <Geek_> |_ocke: torchlight and forceps? ;)
[09:16] <Johnyluv> wwhat site do i go to.
[09:16] <kyncani> godlygeek: what were you trying to do with gparted ?
[09:16] <Johnyluv> or is there a menue i can hit
[09:16] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: there are some dvorak software layouts that are optomized for one handed typeing
[09:16] <ashraf> Please tell me which channel discusses Open office problems
[09:16] <Gh0st> Geek_: This is pretty funny/annoying.
[09:16] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: no site... scroll up and look he said type /msg nickserv help register
[09:17] <godlygeek> kyncani: it doesn't seem that the partition editor as part of the install will let me do all the partition manipulation that i needed.
[09:17] <drumline_> ashraf: maybe fsf.. dunno
[09:17] <Geek_> Gh0st: my dissappearing? ;) sorry about that, parents getting a new aircon it..
[09:17] <Gh0st> Geek_: Oh, not not that. My situation. Still can't fix this partitioning problem.
[09:17] <Johnyluv> ok
[09:17] <kyncani> godlygeek: maybe gparting with feisty's livecd would work, if you really want to test gutsy that is
[09:18] <Geek_> Gh0st: its a little late, but maybe use wubi initially?
[09:18] <Johnyluv> wait do i uninstall it or install it again?
[09:18] <godlygeek> kyncani: the heck with it.  if it's working so poorly i can't even install it fresh from CD...
[09:18] <Geek_> ashraf: there's apparently a #openoffice
[09:18] <Gh0st> Geek_: wubi?
[09:18] <godlygeek> kyncani: (This after a dist-upgrade attempt left a system unbootable)...
[09:18] <Johnyluv> who was helping me again?
[09:18] <kyncani> rotfl
[09:19] <Geek_> wubi is a way to install and uninstall ubuntu from windows
[09:19] <godlygeek> kyncani: I was never terribly impressed with edgy, either...
[09:19] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: for general chat usage help, please join the #freenode channel
[09:19] <Geek_> its rather/very slow initially but its VERY easy/trouble free
[09:19] <godlygeek> kyncani: i think i'll just use every other... dapper, feisty, and gutsy+1 are all LTS, right?
[09:19] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: you are going to have to listen to what we say man... scroll up and read it again
[09:19] <Geek_> and you can convert that to a real install later
[09:19] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: they'll be better equipped :)
[09:19] <|_ocke> edgy worked GREAT for me
[09:19] <|_ocke> feisty not so much :(
[09:19] <kyncani> feisty is not lts
[09:19] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: lol
[09:19] <kyncani> godlygeek: ^
[09:20] <Johnyluv> ok
[09:20] <Johnyluv> rxkaffee
[09:20] <Johnyluv> thanks so much
[09:20] <godlygeek> kyncani: no?  i thought it was supposed to be every other.  my mistake.
[09:20] <Gh0st> Geek_: Here's what happened after you left - I clicked apply to change the partitions, and I got an error telling me to use  ntfsresize with the -i option.
[09:20] <Geek_> its got a few issues (like downloading a 600 mb iso EVERY TIME I INSTALL) (mental note, bug report)
[09:20] <|_ocke> in fact im downright frustrated
[09:20] <Johnyluv> ok .. thats if i get any one to respond lol
[09:20] <|_ocke> kyncani, neither is edgy
[09:20] <|_ocke> dapper is lts
[09:20] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: they will respond sooner or later :)
[09:20] <Geek_> Gh0st: delete the partition, then make new ones
[09:20] <Johnyluv> sad
[09:20] <Johnyluv> bro i dont understnad
[09:20] <Johnyluv> ok this is frustrting
[09:20] <Johnyluv> driveing me crazy!
[09:20] <Gh0st> Geek_: Can I do that with gparted?
[09:21] <Geek_> sure.
[09:21] <Johnyluv> i want to just send my friend a damn song
[09:21] <Johnyluv> no..
[09:21] <godlygeek> kyncani: i don't even know.  i'm running on a macbook, and earlier than edgy just doesn't work with my hardware.
[09:21] <rxKaffee> Johnyluv: maybe your friend who wants to trade music knows how to help
[09:21] <Johnyluv> i will not give up
[09:21] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: email it to him.
[09:21] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: use xdrive.com
[09:21] <Johnyluv> he is telling me wha tyour telling me
[09:21] <kyncani> godlygeek: i would rather use debian etch than ubuntu dapper, but that's just me
[09:21] <Johnyluv> but sitll i dont understand where to go
[09:21] <rxKaffee> or sendfile.com
[09:21] <Gh0st> Geek_: Right-click sda3 and delete?
[09:21] <rxKaffee> speaking of SDA
[09:21] <Geek_> ja. just make sure its the right drive ;)
[09:21] <rxKaffee> whats the deal with ubuntu renaming my ide drives as scsi devices?!
[09:21] <Geek_> *partiton
[09:21] <Geek_> rxKaffee: SATA?
[09:22] <|_ocke> i just CANT get my nvidia drivers installed in feisty
[09:22] <|_ocke> no matter what i do
[09:22] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: is it a SATA drive?
[09:22] <kraut> moin
[09:22] <|_ocke> restricted-manager, redoing all my packages, NVIDIA-whatever.sh from nvidia.com
[09:22] <|_ocke> none work
[09:22] <|_ocke> i need a cig
[09:22] <|_ocke> brb
[09:22] <Johnyluv> lol you sent me to a damn data sender thanks dude
[09:22] <Johnyluv> but i want to use this
[09:23] <rxKaffee> Geek_: Bogus8 nope
[09:23] <EJ> [ HiFiJive] : thank you for you help i change timeout in php.ini to 120 sec and it installed correctly this time. thank you soooooo much
[09:23] <rxKaffee> not even running at full ata100 speeds, lol
[09:23] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: music IS data
[09:23] <Geek_> rxKaffee: wieeerrddddd
[09:23] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: odd... built on card or 3rd party?
[09:23] <kidbuntu> how do install Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux tarball
[09:23] <rxKaffee> wait wait... one of them is running at ata100 speed, the other, my cdrom is only at ata33
[09:23] <godlygeek> kyncani: true enough. (about dapper v etch)
[09:23] <rxKaffee> Bogus8: onboard controller
[09:23] <kidbuntu> how do install Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.tar.bz2
[09:23] <Bogus8> rxKaffee: that is odd
[09:24] <Bogus8> kidbuntu: by repeating over and over in the channel
[09:24] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: sudo apt-get install azureus
[09:24] <godlygeek> Johnyluv: no offense, but #ubuntu isn't the right place to ask general IRC questions.
[09:24] <kidbuntu> rxKaffee: that azureus won't work. its 2.0.0 version. if it is from apt-get
[09:24] <Johnyluv> guys i think i did it
[09:25] <Geek_> kidbuntu: why won't it work?
[09:25] <kidbuntu> rxKaffee: I have the Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.tar.bz2.
[09:25] <godlygeek> kyncani: I'm running on a macbook, though.  etch doesn't support the hardware, edgy barely does, and feisty works pretty well.
[09:25] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: what is wrong with 2.0.0 version?
[09:25] <Johnyluv> anyone wanna send me a song
[09:25] <Johnyluv> to try i tout
[09:25] <Johnyluv> anyone?
[09:25] <kidbuntu> Geek_: after installing. that azureus will just keep on exiting on its own everytime i start it up
[09:25] <kyncani> godlygeek: yeah, that's why i'm using feisty rather thant etch here ...
[09:25] <Johnyluv> i lov eazures
[09:25] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: you need to uncompress it and unarchive it with bunzip and tar
[09:25] <Gh0st> Geek_: I think I got it...?
[09:26] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: and then read the included "README" file probably
[09:26] <Geek_> Gh0st: well the, get on with the installer! ;)
[09:26] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: chances are it needs a ./configure followed by a make and a make install
[09:26] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: that should be outlined in the README file though
[09:26] <kyncani> godlygeek: but ubuntu has never made a lts transition
[09:26] <Bogus8> kidbuntu: google will help also ;)
[09:26] <godlygeek> kyncani: i decided to try gentoo for a while...  the part that bothered me wasn't even the constant compiling, it was the fact that it had fewer apps in its repos...
[09:26] <kidbuntu> rxKaffee: ok. so its not just like .deb that we dpkg -i.
[09:26] <HiFiJive> is there a hardware troubleshooting room?
[09:26] <Geek_> rxKaffee: its java, not c so its more likely not
[09:26] <Gh0st> Well, it finished the operations after applying, and...now there are two hard disk icon on my ubuntu desktop.
[09:26] <kyncani> godlygeek: the compiling is awful
[09:26] <luke_> Hay can someone please tell me how to get more than 2 desktops??
[09:26] <Johnyluv> anyone wanna send me a song, to see if its working?>
[09:26] <Geek_> kidbuntu: no.
[09:26] <Johnyluv> please anyone , ;)
[09:26] <Sithe> I have no kernal module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:26] <Johnyluv> lol
[09:26] <godlygeek> kyncani: distcc makes it bearable.  :)
[09:26] <kyncani> godlygeek: especially for updates ...
[09:27] <rxKaffee> Geek_: ooooh, had forgotten about that!
[09:27] <gnuskool> Gh0st, u still around?
[09:27] <Gh0st> Gnuskool:
[09:27] <Johnyluv> me ?
[09:27] <Gh0st> YEah
[09:27] <Geek_> forgotten what?
[09:27] <godlygeek> kyncani: haha, emerge -DuvaN world - REBUILD ALMOST EVERYTHING.  lol
[09:27] <Johnyluv> like me ??
[09:27] <Gh0st> * Gnuskool: Yeah.
[09:27] <Geek_> oh, that ;)
[09:27] <Johnyluv> wow no one really listens
[09:27] <kyncani> godlygeek: try taking a rather long vacation and making updates when you come back ...
[09:27] <luke_> hello is it possable to get more than 2 desktops huh?
[09:27] <godlygeek> kyncani: yeh, i'm giving up on it after a month.
[09:27] <Gh0st> Geek_: My desktop on ubuntu now has two hard disk icons on it. Is that right?
[09:27] <gnuskool> Gh0st, soz, i had to reboot, listen, you need to unmount that ntfs partition, use umount command
[09:28] <rxKaffee> kidbuntu: did you try checking packages.ubuntu website to see if there's a more recent version in ubuntu's "unstable" repo?
[09:28] <Bogus8> luke_: try guessing.. like right clicking on the pager
[09:28] <Sithe> I have no kernal module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:28] <megatog615> Can someone tell me the fastest and most stable filesystem for /home?
[09:28] <Gh0st> Gnuskool: I think I did...
[09:28] <Geek_> Gh0st: probably.
[09:28] <godlygeek> kyncani: mostly because of reading the nightmare stories about how poorly gcc updates go.  i don't ever want to have to deal with errors like "gcc: can't create executables".  lol
[09:28] <ballin> hi i was wondering if somebody could help me with fiesty on a laptop
[09:28] <godlygeek> ballin: what about it?
[09:28] <HiFiJive> luke I take it you didnt bother trying anything yet
[09:28] <godlygeek> ballin: something in particular not working?
[09:28] <Gh0st> Geek_: If I run gparted one more time and send you a screenshot, will you be able to tell me if it's right?
[09:28] <kyncani> godlygeek: or updates stopping at 20% because some package would not compile and then be stuck with security holes ...
[09:28] <Geek_> Gh0st: i think so
[09:29] <Gh0st> Geek_: Ok. Hold on.
[09:29] <Geek_> no rush ;)
[09:29] <luke_> nah i casnt find were to get more???
[09:29] <Geek_> aircon's in and dog's quieted down ;p
[09:29] <ballin> i recently put it on, and i tried to use the desktop effects, but after the screen changed my screen just stayed white, now whenever i start it it just goes to a white screen, anyway of getting out of this?
[09:29] <Bogus8> luke_: then you can't be helped ;)
[09:29] <luke_> what is the channel for the ubuntu effects
[09:29] <ballin> i'd just reinstall it but the cdrom is busted and took like 3 hours to put it on the first go
[09:29] <godlygeek> gentoo, grew disenfranchised quickly, tried to install gutsy from cd, and about to frickin scream and install feisty from a CD again, lol
[09:30] <kyncani> godlygeek: and the libraries being updated, then some high-level apps (kde gnome) would not work and you have to compile everyghin and hope you can use your computer tomorrow ...
[09:30] <ballin> luke: what do you mean by channel?
[09:30] <|_ocke> k
[09:30] <luke_> an IRC chennal
[09:30] <Geek_> luke_  http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/latest/overview-workspaces.html ?
[09:30] <gnuskool> Geek_, u seen Gh0st's pastebin?
[09:30] <bullgard4> I have changed my Irssi config almost completely to the Freenode network. It works by and large. Are there reasons to switch over to the OFTC network?
[09:30] <luke_> cool thanx Geek
[09:30] <Geek_> gnuskool: no, just screenies
[09:30] <ballin> whoops
[09:30] <Geek_> OFTC?
[09:30] <Bogus8> bullgard4: why does irssi have to be set up for one vs the other
[09:31] <Geek_> bullgard4: are there any channels on OFTC you want to go to? ;)
[09:31] <Bogus8> bullgard4: I'm on 4 different networks at all time
[09:31] <gnuskool> Geek_, he got a pastebin, its under his handle, but ask him for the link
[09:31] <godlygeek> kyncani: haha, gnome, kde, who needs them... all i want is w3m, vim, screen, openbox, and xterm... (and sometimes firefox)
[09:31] <Bogus8> bullgard4: including freenode AND OFTC
[09:31] <Sithe> I have no kernal module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:31] <Geek_> gnuskool: and i need it cause..?
[09:31] <Geek_> ;)
[09:31] <brucewagner> hello
[09:31] <Gh0st> Geek_ * Gnuskool: Here's how gparted looks now: http://i11.tinypic.com/4lqrehi
[09:31] <ballin> i guess i gotta reinstall =/
[09:32] <kyncani> godlygeek: well, once even ls, rm and the like did not work after an "upgrade" ...
[09:32] <Geek_> Gh0st: your in business ;)
[09:32] <Geek_> now you can start the install
[09:32] <Sithe> I have no kernal module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:32] <Sithe> I have no kernal module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:32] <Gh0st> Geek_: That's right?!! Wait...what's with the unallocated 5MB?
[09:32] <godlygeek> kyncani: i managed to get that at least once during an ubuntu dist-upgrade, too.
[09:32] <Bogus8> Sithe: you should repeat a lot of times in the channel... that should do the trick
[09:32] <Geek_> Gh0st: er.. rounding errors...  ;)
[09:32] <godlygeek> kyncani: libc6 half-updated.  *shudder*
[09:33] <|_ocke> johnyluv left?
[09:33] <Geek_> you can probably expand a drive to fill it up
[09:33] <bullgard4> Bogus8: My Irssi config subscribes to both networks, Freenode and OFTC. What good use could I make of OFTC?
[09:33] <Gh0st> Geek_: Um...Ok...? -Shrug.-
[09:33] <|_ocke> darn, i was just trying to send him a link to a mp3 i wanted him to hear
[09:33] <gnuskool> Geek_, good 1, alls well that ends well i s'pose
[09:33] <kyncani> godlygeek: well, nothing like gentoo breakage though
[09:33] <Bogus8> bullgard4: I use it to talk to people in channels on the OFTC network ;)
[09:33] <Geek_> Bogus8: i was about to spelling correct him... K E R N E L ;)
[09:33] <Bogus8> Geek_: LOL
[09:34] <godlygeek> kyncani: i'm good with linux, but not great... i wound up just reinstalling from cd on that one.  how are you supposed to fix anything when you can't rm, or apt-get, or scp... lol
[09:34] <luke_> nah how do i add more workplaces????
[09:34] <bullgard4> Geek_: Is there a list which lists all channels available on OFTC?
[09:34] <Gh0st> Running installer now.
[09:34] <Geek_> luke_ : i linked you just now how to
[09:34] <Bogus8> luke_: dude, this isn't that difficult... we can only help you help yourself
[09:34] <kyncani> godlygeek: use the ever great busybox
[09:34] <Bogus8> and we are struggling ;)
[09:34] <Geek_> bullgard4: /list on that server. it might fail if there's too many
[09:34] <Johnyluv> anyone ever played HOMEWORLD??
[09:34] <godlygeek> kyncani: apt-get install busybox wouldn't work... lol :)
[09:34] <r-c> how do i change the icon size on my desktop?
[09:35] <kyncani> godlygeek: at the very least, with ubuntu, you can do a full reinstall in an hour.
[09:35] <godlygeek> kyncani: though if i had it around, i probably would have given it a shot.
[09:35] <ballin> i tried to use the desktop effects, but after the screen changed my screen just stayed white, now whenever i start it it just goes to a white screen, anyway of getting out of this, possibly though safe mode?
[09:35] <godlygeek> kyncani: true.
[09:35] <luke_> but the website just says right click on the workplace switcher and choose how many you want in the prefferances and i cant do that???
[09:35] <Bogus8> bullgard4: there are some websites that will list channels or let you search them
[09:35] <dixon> r-c: I think when u change the size in nautilus it will change also size on ur desktop
[09:35] <Johnyluv> ok so i registerd
[09:35] <matti> Morning :-)
[09:35] <kyncani> godlygeek: of course, i had it around before, in prevision of some disaster
[09:35] <Bogus8> luke_: hmmm sounds just like what *I* told you to do!
[09:35] <godlygeek> i don't suppose there's some magical way to tell the live cd ubuntu to "spit out the cd and keep working so that i can burn another cd in here"...
[09:35] <Johnyluv> and i was trying to send a file "song:
[09:35] <Johnyluv> to my friend.,
[09:35] <Johnyluv> still noting
[09:35] <chylli> question: I'm runing mysql 5 on feisty. but mysql 5 didn't write anything to /var/log/mysql.err. why ?
[09:35] <godlygeek> kyncani: I'm gonna have to remember to do that in the future.
[09:35] <Johnyluv> Bogus can you help me out plese
[09:36] <luke_> yeah but it doesnt WORK
[09:36] <godlygeek> kyncani: busybox is all statically-linked, right?
[09:36] <ViRaveNuS> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugpackage.html
[09:36] <ViRaveNuS> all about linux
[09:36] <Geek_> godlygeek: don't think so
[09:36] <Johnyluv> man wsih i can get some help righ tnow.
[09:36] <Bogus8> Johnyluv: you need to go to the channel of your client or #freenode, we can't help you any futher
[09:36] <Johnyluv> sware so much info in the air
[09:36] <r-c> dixon: where would i find nautilus? i'm very new to ubuntu desktop
[09:36] <Gh0st> Geek_ & Gnuskool: One last check. Is this right: http://i18.tinypic.com/61n432c.png
[09:36] <kyncani> godlygeek: now i keep a small debian as my first partition, in case something wrong happen in ubuntu (which it did some days ago)
[09:36] <luke_> there is noware to put how many workplaces i need
[09:36] <bullgard4> Geek_: I have been warned not to use the /list command. But you are recommending to use it. Are those warnings nonsense?
[09:36] <Sithe> I have no kernel module in my Xorg.0.log how can I fix this?
[09:36] <Bogus8> luke_: is for me and I would guess everyone else in this channel
[09:36] <kyncani> godlygeek: busybox is an almost-all-in-one thing
[09:37] <Johnyluv> ok ok ok
[09:37] <chylli> I'm runing mysql 5 on feisty. but mysql 5 didn't write anything to /var/log/mysql.err. why ? I remember mysql will write things to error log when it start up or stop
[09:37] <kyncani> godlygeek: just one binary with every rm, ls, ... command in it
[09:37] <Geek_> bullgard4: at worst your client will refuse, or crash
[09:37] <Johnyluv> thanks everyone, fare well.
[09:37] <Johnyluv> its been great talking to you
[09:37] <godlygeek> kyncani: i'm somewhat limited in partition choice on this machine... of the four primary partitions i get, osx uses 2.  :(
[09:37] <Geek_> Gh0st: looks fine to me
[09:37] <Johnyluv> i guess its time to go back home.
[09:37] <Bogus8> bullgard4: worse case senario they server drops you for flooding and you reconnect
[09:37] <luke_> Bogus8: Yeah i cant enter how many i want
[09:37] <Gh0st> Oh, thank god...
[09:37] <Johnyluv> to my "Homne town."
[09:37] <dixon> r-c: e.g. open ur home directory (places -> home folder) and the nautilus is opened(it's the soft for browsing ur files). then edit->preferences -> icon view defaults - set it e.g to 75%
[09:37] <Johnyluv> as bogus8 said
[09:37] <Johnyluv> i must return to my site...
[09:37] <Geek_> Gh0st: going well? ;)
[09:37] <gnuskool> Gh0st, yeah man
[09:37] <godlygeek> kyncani: I know WHAT it is, i was just wondering if it was statically linked.  I'm almost certain it is, since it needs to work on such low-end systems.
[09:37] <dissection> What do I need to do in order to play DV50 video files?
[09:38] <godlygeek> kyncani: if it were dynamically linked, you wouldn't be able to launch it, either.  :)
[09:38] <kyncani> godlygeek: well, debian for rescue as 3 and then ubuntu in an etended part with evrything
[09:38] <Gh0st> Geek_: I choose sda3 (ext3)'s mount point to be "/", right?
[09:38] <Bogus8> dissection: where did you get a dv50 file?
[09:38] <Geek_> godlygeek: statically linked and a single binary IIRC
[09:38] <r-c> dixon: thanks, i'll try that
[09:38] <Geek_> Gh0st: yup
[09:38] <dixon> r-c: hope it'll work ;)
[09:38] <wnet> temari
[09:38] <godlygeek> Geek_: yes, a single binary for certain.  I suppose it has to be statically linked.
[09:38] <dissection> Bogus8: I downloaded it from a site to practice chroma keying and compositing.
[09:39] <Gh0st> Geek_: I can make a home later, after I have in installed right?
[09:39] <godlygeek> kyncani: isn't debian a bit heavy for a rescue?
[09:39] <Gh0st> */home
[09:39] <Geek_> godlygeek: yup. considering its gnuutils light in a way
[09:39] <kyncani> godlygeek: i mean it's all like it was statically linked
[09:39] <Bogus8> dissection: wondering cause that is a huge file...  Umm... whatever you are going to composite or chromakey in should play it
[09:39] <kyncani> godlygeek: 200 Mb
[09:39] <Geek_> Gh0st: probably, though would need a little work. seperate /homes are more backup reasons
[09:39] <Geek_> *more for
[09:39] <dissection> Bogus8: Well yes, its 1.3GB for a 5 minute clip.
[09:39] <godlygeek> kyncani: huh.  :)  lighter than knoppix, then.  :)
[09:39] <Gh0st> Geek_: Ok. Well, I'll just go from here for now.
[09:39] <Bogus8> dissection: word
[09:39] <kyncani> godlygeek: 250 Mb used on a 2Gb rescue partition, with firefox and xmms even
[09:40] <dissection> Bogus8: I haven't tried a compositing application in Linux yet. I thought installing a video codec will bring the support to my video player?
[09:40] <godlygeek> kyncani: I don't know anything about LVM, but i'm pretty sure that even with LVM, ubuntu's /boot would need to be on a primary partition to load the initrd.
[09:40] <bullgard4> Bogus8: Is it technically correct to say that I can use (for example) the #ubuntu channel either via the Freenode network or via the OFTC network?
[09:40] <TehBotol> how to configure ip in ubuntu server from consol
[09:40] <TehBotol> help me
[09:40] <Bogus8> dissection: not sure.. there is what? Live? I think that is a video editor?  I use Vegas
[09:40] <kyncani> godlygeek: nope, /boot can be in an extended partition
[09:40] <Geek_> bullgard4: sure, but there would be different people there
[09:40] <r-c> dixon: thanks, that did the trick, only my thunderbird icon is still the same size :(
[09:40] <godlygeek> TehBotol: ifconfig interfacename ipaddress
[09:41] <godlygeek> TehBotol: sudo !!
[09:41] <TehBotol> ohh
[09:41] <Bogus8> bullgard4: no, a channel resides on the network that it resides on.. there may be ANOTHER channel with the same name but rarely are they mirrored
[09:41] <TehBotol> yups
[09:41] <TehBotol> thanks
[09:41] <luke_> some one help me please
[09:41] <dixon> r-c: resize it manually :) right click on the icon -> stretch icon ;)
[09:41] <Bogus8> bullgard4: but it CAN happen
[09:41] <bullgard4> Geek_: Ah! That is new to me. Thank you for explaining.
[09:41] <Geek_> hmmm
[09:41] <godlygeek> kyncani: perhaps i need to read up on LVM some more, then.
[09:41] <cables> How can I get rid of all of xubuntu-desktop's dependencies after putting in ubuntu-desktop?
[09:41] <godlygeek> kyncani: I really SHOULD keep /home on a separate partition...
[09:41] <luke_> Geek_: CAn you help me?
[09:41] <Cr0w-> hello, i've installed beryl and emerald..and works..but i dont know how to use the themes that appears in emerald theme manager
[09:41] <gnuskool> luke_, spit out the prob
[09:42] <dissection> Bogus8: Whats the link to Vegas and/or Live? I couldn't find them
[09:42] <Geek_> luke_ i did as best as i could. i use kubuntu and windows mainly so...
[09:42] <godlygeek> cables: you mean, how do you remove all of the xubuntu apps?
[09:42] <luke_> i cant choose how many workplaces i want?
[09:42] <Bogus8> dissection: Vegas is windows only
[09:42] <kyncani> godlygeek: i don't, i just don't reformat, and as i understand, you don't either :)
[09:42] <bullgard4> Bogus8: Thank you for explaining.
[09:42] <dissection> Bogus8: Oh, ;[
[09:42] <Geek_> luke_ you can, i linked it, and i don't know why it didn't work
[09:42] <Bogus8> dissection: I read about live in a linux mag... let me see if it's handy
[09:42] <r-c> dixon: :D thanks again, that did it
[09:42] <cables> godlygeek, yep... not just the apps, though, the libraries and stuff as well.
[09:42] <Bogus8> bullgard4: no prob
[09:42] <dixon> r-c: u're welcome ;)
[09:42] <godlygeek> kyncani: no, but it WOULD be nice to have /home and /var on separate partitions so that runnin outta space doesn't hose a system.
[09:43] <luke_> gnuskool: I cant choose how many workplaces i want in Ubuntu 7.10
[09:43] <godlygeek> cables: good luck
[09:43] <cables> godlygeek, hey, thanks a lot :P
[09:43] <bullgard4> Bogus8: Does Canonical prefer Freenode or OFTC?
[09:43] <godlygeek> cables: if you had installed xubuntu-desktop with aptitude, an aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop should remove everything that it depends, as well.
[09:43] <Bogus8> bullgard4: I have no clue what that is
[09:43] <luke_> Geek_: well im trying to get help from other people y it dont work
[09:43] <dissection> Bogus8: Okay, cool.
[09:43] <soundray> cables: remove the xubuntu-desktop package, then run apt-get autoremove
[09:43] <godlygeek> cables: but, i don't know any way to fake that with apt-get.
[09:43] <cables> soundray, i'll try that
[09:43] <kyncani> godlygeek: yeah, it would be nice, but i'm using a laptop and i don't have much disk space. So i can't afford space being wasted in / or /var
[09:43] <godlygeek> cables: apt-get doesn't (didn't?) track dependency information.
[09:43] <Geek_> bullgard4: wrong question, what you should be asking is, "do i get the answer i need? " ;)
[09:44] <godlygeek> kyncani: yeh, i'm on a laptop with a big hard drive but an even bigger media folder.  :)
[09:44] <kyncani> godlygeek: i should read on lvm some day too :)
[09:44] <cables> godlygeek, well, it sort of does... it can do autoremove. But I don't know if the installer marks the xubuntu-desktop deps as automatically installed.
[09:44] <Bogus8> dissection: it's in the June 07 issue of Linux pro magazine
[09:44] <chylli> where does mysql write its error log to ?
[09:44] <godlygeek> cables: right.
[09:44] <wnet> www.frienster.com
[09:44] <Gh0st> Geek_: Hehe...One final check...This good: http://i15.tinypic.com/4yplfev.png  ...:-/?
[09:44] <gnuskool> luke_,You can change the number of workspaces by right-clicking on the workspace area and choosing "Preferences."
[09:44] <dissection> Bogus8: Uhm, I don't get Linux Magazines here. I live in a small village.
[09:44] <wnet> hai
[09:45] <wnet> hai
[09:45] <dixon> Hi, can anybody help me with ATI+fglrx+big desktop? Actually everything works fine, except for one thing. Dunno y, but primary display is set to tv and secondary to my lcd. I wanna have LCD as my primary display. Where can I change this option?
[09:45] <Bogus8> dissection: probably online (that's why I mention it)
[09:45] <Bogus8> dissection: http://lives.sourceforge.net
[09:45] <luke_> gnuskool: yeah i did that and there is noware to put how many i want
[09:45] <soundray> cables: if you're still tight for space after that, autoclean the package cache (apt-get autoclean), then see what the biggest installed packages are (ls -srS /var/cache/apt/archives) and remove those that you don't need.
[09:45] <Geek_> Gh0st: yup
[09:45] <dissection> Bogus8: Thanks
[09:45] <ph1zzle> hey guys, suppose I just accidently did a non recursive delete of /boot/* what is the packahes I need to re install right now?
[09:45] <godlygeek> cables: assuming some scripting knowledge, you could probably come up with a recursive list of all dependencies of xubuntu-desktop that are not dependencies of ubuntu-desktop?
[09:45] <Geek_> godspeed? ;)
[09:45] <kidbuntu> what does NAT means in azureus? cause I have a yellow icon
[09:45] <Gh0st> :-D Ginskool & Geek_ = New best friends! >.< (Just messing)
[09:45] <godlygeek> cabldevil: then apt-get remove on the whole list.  :)
[09:46] <Gh0st> *Gnuskool
[09:46] <Bogus8> dissection: not sure if it doesn't compositing or chromakey... most linux apps like this are still kind of in infancy
[09:46] <Bogus8> dissection: that is why I still have a windows box as my main computer, I need it for video and audio editing
[09:46] <Geek_> kidbuntu: network address translation. you're behind a router and should open a port for azureus
[09:46] <gnuskool> Gh0st, lol, no prob
[09:46] <kyncani> godlygeek: i should go now, it was nice talking to you
[09:46] <godlygeek> kyncani: nice talking to you.  :)
[09:47] <Gh0st> I think I need to close GAIM. So, I'll get on tomorrow and tell you all if it works.
[09:47] <Gh0st> Thanks again!!!!
[09:47] <luke_> gnuskool: i tried it and i cant find were to enter how many i want????
[09:47] <kidbuntu> GeeK_: how should i get that fixed. or is it fine to run azureus with that yellow icon?
[09:47] <Gh0st> ^^
[09:47] <dissection> Bogus8: Well there's Nuke 4.5 but its $5000 :[
[09:47] <Bogus8> dissection: hmm, that's insanely steep
[09:47] <Bogus8> dissection: does that come with hardware?
[09:47] <Geek_> kidbuntu: it will work, but be a little slow. to fix it, check what port azureus is on, then forward the port to your system in your router
[09:48] <dissection> Bogus8: No, software only. Its by digital domain and used on many high end projects.
[09:48] <kidbuntu> Geek_ where can i check that?
[09:48] <kidbuntu> Geek_ like this one 48345
[09:48] <Geek_> yeah
[09:48] <Geek_> I DO
[09:48] <Geek_> erm
[09:48] <Geek_> wrong windows
[09:48] <Geek_> windows
[09:48] <Bogus8> dissection: hmm, never heard of it... mostly people use Final Cut and Avid on macs
[09:49] <Geek_> er /windows/s/window
[09:49] <Bogus8> I'm not a fan of either mac or FCP... though Live type is SWEET!
[09:49] <dissection> Bogus8: Yeah I've heard of those two apps.
[09:49] <dissection> Bogus8: http://www.d2software.com/
[09:50] <Bogus8> dissection: that url looks familiar
[09:50] <Bogus8> dissection: ah, that is a plug in for those apps
[09:50] <Bogus8> dissection: not a standalone app
[09:50] <michal_> elo
[09:51] <dissection> Bogus8: Ah okay. I was just going through a list of composting pacakges in 3D World Magazine.
[09:51] <Bogus8> dissection: look under the "products" menu it shows "for after effects" "for avid" blah blah blah
[09:51] <dissection> Bogus8: There's also Shake by Apple that runs on Mac and Linux for $500. I'll probably get my hands on that.
[09:52] <Bogus8> dissection: I'd be interested in how it compares to "real" apps... but I guess you aren't experienced with them really eh?
[09:53] <dissection> Bogus8: No not experienced.
[09:53] <Bogus8> dissection: what I've seen on linux is rather limited... even if I find video that works well I still will need audio and that wont' happen on the level there is on windows.. the plug in support is just massive
[09:53] <dissection> Bogus8: There was this contest on a site where you get to create a music video and the best one'd be chosen as the official one. Thats when I downloaded the DV50 video files which were all videos shot in front of a greenscreen. I thought it'll be a good idea to download them for and keep it for the future when I start learning compositing packages.
[09:54] <Bogus8> dissection: unless someone like cubase or sonar makes a linux version
[09:55] <Bogus8> dissection: yeah, after effects and some plug in like nuke or Ultimatte is the way to go
[09:55] <Bogus8> dissection: but that's windows and mac
[09:56] <Shaye> Why do I have to type 'dhclient' everytime i restart my server? _connected to a router_
[09:58] <Gh0st> Ok...That's not right...
[09:58] <Gh0st> Just before it installs, it gives me this: The installer needs to commit changes to partition tables, but cannot do so because partitions on the following mount points could not be unmounted:
[09:58] <Gh0st> /media/TOSHIBA\040SYSTEM\040VOLUME
[09:58] <Gh0st> Please close any applications using these mount points.
[09:58] <Gh0st> Would you like the installer to try to unmount these partitions again?
[09:59] <Gh0st> But, in gparted, it says the directory isn't found.
[09:59] <Shaye> Why do I have to type 'dhclient' everytime i restart my server if i want to get an ip address from my router/dhcp? _connected to a router_
[10:01] <dissection> Btw, I'm about to buy a laptop this week. Which one would be better to use in Linux, one with an ATI card, or nVidia?
[10:01] <Gh0st> Geek_: It says something about not being able to unmount /media/TOSHIBA SYSTEM/040VOLUME because there is no such file or directory.
[10:01] <Bogus8> dissection: nvidia from what i've gathered
[10:01] <Gh0st> It's one of the partitions, and gparted won't let me unmount it.
[10:02] <dissection> Bogus8: Great! The one I'm looking at has a 1GB GeForce.
[10:03] <|_ocke> meah
[10:03] <Bogus8> dissection: linux has great nvidia support.... or vice versa
[10:03] <|_ocke> got another beer but still no nvidia driver working
[10:03] <Gh0st> Locke: Can you help me?
[10:03] <|_ocke> Bogus8, not for me :P
[10:04] <Bogus8> |_ocke: sorry mate... USUALLY haha
[10:04] <dissection> I hope I won't run into any issues.
[10:04] <Mas-Ganteng> YO
[10:04] <|_ocke> Bogus8, yeah i know its been flawless for me up until i just upgraded to 7.04
[10:04] <dissection> I need to slap myself for not trying Linux before. I had a Linuxophobia :[
[10:04] <|_ocke> now i finally got the packages setup correctly, installed restricted-manager, had it install the drivers
[10:04] <|_ocke> didnt work
[10:05] <Bogus8> dissection: i'm sure there is an #nvidia channel... or maybe #x11 could tell you better
[10:05] <|_ocke> so it loaded into text mode, i tried to install the drivers manually, gave a LOT of errors, didnt work
[10:05] <|_ocke> changed xorg.conf to 'nv' and loaded, and thats wehre i am
[10:05] <Sithe> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Emo
[10:05] <Sithe> wups.. ignore that
[10:06] <Qwerty_> How can I reconfigure alsa I stuffed it up in alsa-mixer
[10:06] <Qwerty_> err alsamixer
[10:06] <sauvin> Sithe, that page is... disturbimg.
[10:06] <Sithe> sauvin: It is lulz
[10:06] <Bogus8> |_ocke: i am very new to X, so i am of no use :(
[10:06] <sauvin> What does "lulz" mean?
[10:07] <Sithe> sauvin: a corruption of L-O-L
[10:07] <Sithe> sauvin: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lulz
[10:07] <sauvin> Pfeh. People, I've observed, have bizarre senses of humour.
[10:07] <|_ocke> Bogus8, didnt expect you were so no worries
[10:07] <dissection> Funny, we use "lulz", "lul", "larl", "lawl", or "lewl" in our channel
[10:08] <Bogus8> |_ocke: thanks dick :p
[10:08] <|_ocke> lewl? thats kinda lame
[10:08] <|_ocke> Bogus8, hehe sorry, just know what to expect
[10:08] <Sithe> The only that I have a bizarre sense of humor is because fglrx and openGL are being gay.
[10:08] <Bogus8> just fucking with ya
[10:08] <|_ocke> Bogus8, i've been running linux since slackware 3.0, am not an expert, but figured i know more than most people who arent regulars at least
[10:09] <|_ocke> and therefore anybody that is asking questions probably cant help me :P
[10:09] <Bogus8> |_ocke: I tried Slack 9... but interested faded
[10:09] <|_ocke> yeah slack was really only cool back when it was the most advanced one out
[10:09] <|_ocke> back in 3.0-4.0 days
[10:09] <Bogus8> |_ocke: I've been using headless systems for a few years now... just no X systems
[10:10] <|_ocke> and wasnt really taht cool then except in relation to windows on the same systems that could run slack seamlessly
[10:10] <Bogus8> Sadly I only use windows for surfing and I still can't force myself to convert over
[10:10] <Bogus8> I mostly run Opera and Putty
[10:10] <|_ocke> linux was cool back 10 years ago if you had a system that all components were supported
[10:10] <sauvin> locke, what is the best mechanism for passing messages or signals between disparate threads or even forked processes running under perl in an OO-friendly manner?
[10:10] <|_ocke> but now it is actually cool in all configurations
[10:11] <|_ocke> sauvin, couldnt tell ya
[10:11] <Bogus8> I tried redhat 4 a little also
[10:11] <Sithe> Omfg I fucking hate Linux!
[10:11] <Bogus8> i think it was 4... it was like 5-6 years ago
[10:11] <|_ocke> i dont know much perl, but from what i have haerd perl isnt the greatest for OO
[10:11] <Sithe> Im about to cry right now.
[10:11] <sauvin> It's passable, but it's not as strong as other languages, that's true enough.
[10:11] <|_ocke> Bogus8, probably, i think 4 was released about 6-7 eyars ago
[10:11] <sauvin> sithe, what's up?
[10:12] <|_ocke> for OO, I stick to straight cpp
[10:12] <Sithe> sauvin: openGL isn't working!
[10:12] <|_ocke> ive always been mostly a C enthusiast
[10:12] <Sithe> sauvin: I have no opengl kernel in xorg.0.log or w/e that file is
[10:12] <Qwerty_> How can I set alsa to defaults?
[10:12] <|_ocke> i also really like ASM, and had a particular interest in 6502 asm
[10:12] <|_ocke> but its not really that useful anymoer except for specific routines
[10:13] <|_ocke> and for homebrew roms
[10:13] <sauvin> Sithe, what card do you have?
[10:13] <Sithe> sauvin: ATI RADEON X800   (eek its an ATI, run!)
[10:13] <|_ocke> never learned any 68k asm but i never owned a mac so..
[10:13] <sauvin> locke, asm has lost none of its utility, it's simply been eclipsed by the realisation that development time is also a cost factor.
[10:13] <|_ocke> well yes
[10:13] <sauvin> I have an ATI, and GL is working for me.
[10:14] <|_ocke> asm is still just as quick and effective, but the days of writing your own functions to save 75% CPU time are long gone
[10:14] <Sithe> sauvin: Any advice to get it working?
[10:14] <sauvin> Moment... it was a Ubuntu page that told me how to get the freaking thing working under Fedora Core.
[10:15] <|_ocke> you might be able to save 10-15% now, but even so unless its a function that is used nearly constantly, you wont see any improvement in performance but maybe like 1fps in a graphical environment, since nearly all such processes are done on the gpu via card specific opcodes
[10:15] <sauvin> And now, of course, I can't seem to find it.
[10:15] <araizen> is there a dpkg equivalent of rpmfind.net?
[10:16] <sauvin> Sithe, could you bop over to #kubuntu and ask those folks? They may know something. I'm too tired to make a lot of sense.
[10:16] <Sithe> alright will do
[10:17] <|_ocke> particularly, it is not worth it anymore to spend 2 weeks coding a pure asm routine which can be done in 2 hours with a platform independent language that on 95% of all end-users systems will not see any increase in performance because it is already performing optimally
[10:17] <Flannel> araizen: what does rpmfind.net do?
[10:17] <araizen> lets you search for and download .rpm files
[10:17] <Flannel> araizen: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <r-c> does anyone have an idea why my wireless would disconnect every now and then, about 2-4 times per hour ?
[10:17] <araizen> but all those i'm going to be able to get via apt-get anyway, no?
[10:17] <Shaye> How can I make it so that my server will get auto IP from the dhcp server/connected to a router? i have to type dhclient everytime...
[10:18] <Flannel> araizen: Right.
[10:18] <dgjones> araizen, if the package you want isn't in the ubuntu repo's you could also look at www.getdeb.net
[10:18] <araizen> how about all kinds of files from other distros, etc.?
[10:18] <araizen> ah okay, thanks
[10:18] <octa> Bonjouuuuuur =)
[10:20] <Shaye> is there anyone who can help *hello*
[10:22] <zzaza> Anyone running ubuntu on mac ?
[10:22] <xstasi> zzaza, what's your problem
[10:23] <Shaye> How can I make it so that my server will get auto IP from the dhcp server/connected to a router? i have to type dhclient everytime...
[10:23] <neumind> i want ask.. if you want make own domain on Bind9 ubuntu its need 2 ip?
[10:24] <Geek_> zzaza: There's ubuntu for mac? PPC? link?
[10:24] <xstasi> Shaye, man interfaces
[10:24] <zzaza> xstasi, just installed ubuntu on a ibook g3 500mhz 640mb memory but its quite slow
[10:24] <xstasi> i can guess
[10:24] <xstasi> :)
[10:25] <neumind>  if i want make own domain on Bind9 ubuntu its need 2 ip?
[10:25] <xstasi> i used to run it on ibook g4 256mb
[10:25] <Flannel> Geek_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.04/release/
[10:25] <Shaye> xstasi i can't find the answer there though
[10:25] <ubuntu_> Im having trouble trying to make ubuntu run on another portion so i can have windows and ubuntu, but the help files in the download seem like they are for another version, can anyone help?
[10:26] <Flannel> !dualboot | ubuntu_
[10:26] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[10:26] <ubuntu_> yes how to dual boot
[10:26] <thunkt> I've just created a small website I plan to use as my homepage, I want to have a bunch of rss feeds on the one page, can anyone tell me what I'd use for this?
[10:27] <xstasi> Shaye, iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:28] <Walls7> Im on the installation right now for ubuntu, and its on the "prepare partions" step, can someone please tell me what to do so i can set up a dual boot?
[10:28] <zzaza> xstasi,  i think am going to run xfce ,do u have any doc/info about ur installation on ibook g4
[10:28] <Flannel> Walls7: do you have freespace on your drives?
[10:28] <bullgard4> MM_CHARSET=ISO-8859-15. Ist this value correct? Doesn't it have to be UTF-8?
[10:28] <Shaye> xstasi that's what i type or do i need to edit a file or something? i am very new to linux sorry
[10:29] <howlingmadhowie> you say partions, i say portions :)
[10:29] <xstasi> Shaye, /etc/network/interfaces
[10:29] <xstasi> try to get some help by someone
[10:29] <xstasi> i have to go afk
[10:29] <xstasi> ttyl :)
[10:29] <Walls7> Flannel: yea i do
[10:29] <Flannel> Walls7: Then create a partition in that free space
[10:29] <Flannel> zzaza: that PPC or intel?
[10:29] <howlingmadhowie> bullgard4: iso-8859-15 are western european with euro-sign
[10:30] <Walls7> how much free space is needed?
[10:30] <thunkt> Walls7: I would recommend 2 partitions, 256mb for a swap space, and whatever you want for your actual ubuntu install
[10:30] <Flannel> Walls7: oh, you mean freespace in your windows partition.  i meant unallocated freespace on your drive.  You'll need ... what, like 2GB minimum?  You'll need to shrink your current partition
[10:30] <neumind>  if i want make own domain on Bind9 ubuntu its need 2 ip?
[10:30] <Geek_> bullgard4: its fine.
[10:31] <zzaza> Flannel, its ppc just destroyed the mac os x and installed ubuntu. btw i have never used a mac before
[10:31] <bullgard4> howlingmadhowie: I know already what you told me. But this does not answermy question if this value is correct for an international communication.
[10:31] <Walls7> Flannel: ok, so how would i do that
[10:31] <Flannel> zzaza: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.04/release/  That's Xubuntu for PPC, just download, burn, and boot and follow the install instructions
[10:31] <howlingmadhowie> Walls7: for an ubuntu installation i'd always want at least 10 GB (but i do tend to install a lot of software)
[10:31] <Juhaz> bullgard4, there is no charset that is "correct" for all purposes, it entirely depends on people you're communicating to.
[10:32] <Deags> greetings everyone
[10:32] <Walls7> SO how would i shrink my current partion?
[10:32] <Flannel> Walls7: Uh, it's best to boot to windows and defrag first, before resizing.  Also, if you have any windows based partition stuff (partition magic or whatnot) you'd be better off shrinking with that.
[10:32] <bullgard4> Juhaz: There is no internatinally agreed MIME character set?
[10:32] <howlingmadhowie> bullgard4: what sort of international communication? 8859-15 supports the german/french/spanish/skandinavian accents and special letters. it doesn't support cjk etc.
[10:32] <jaro> HI guys, got trouble: How can i change from wireless to wired.. without rebooting ?
[10:32] <zzaza> Flannel, thanks being new to mac world even the keyboard keys are all new to me
[10:32] <Deags> i have a ati radeon 9800 and wanting to get drivers for it am i out of luck?
[10:33] <howlingmadhowie> bullgard4: if you want to be sure, use utf-8
[10:33] <Geek_> jaro: ifdown the wired connection, ifup the other one
[10:33] <Geek_> *wireless
[10:34] <andyp__> hi
[10:34] <dromer> does anyone care to help my with my dhc-problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506868
[10:34] <Walls7> Flannel: i just have windows defragmenter, so after i defragment it, how would i shrink it?
[10:34] <dromer> dhcp*
[10:34] <andyp__> whats the apt-get command to bittorrent
[10:34] <jherrera> andyp__ none
[10:34] <Deags> walls7 u should get through the defrag first seems to awlays encounter problems if udont defrag alot
[10:34] <Flannel> Walls7: you'll reboot back into the liveCD, and use something like gparted (or the partitioner in the installer) to shrink the windows partition, and then create a new linux partition
[10:34] <howlingmadhowie> bullgard4: what software will you be using? java, for example, always stores strings in utf-16 (16-bit characters)
[10:35] <andyp__> jheera:rr
[10:35] <jherrera> andyp__ apt-get (8)          - APT package handling utility - - command-line interface
[10:35] <DarkED> hi all, i need some help
[10:35] <Deags>  i have a ati radeon 9800 and wanting to get drivers for it am i out of luck?
[10:35] <Juhaz> bullgard4, there are quite a few of them... which is the problem. but if it's for email, utf-8 should be fine, most clients tend to understand messages in any encoding these days, as long as the headers are correct
[10:35] <DarkED> i'm running kubuntu 7.04 and i want to just go back to gnome
[10:35] <andyp__> jherrera: ktronnent
[10:35] <DarkED> is there any way to reinstall my system without actually needing the CD?
[10:36] <Flannel> DarkED: install ubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <jherrera> andyp__ ktorrent ?
[10:36] <Walls7> Flannel: ok, so how much would i need to shrink it, 10GB?
[10:36] <DarkED> Flannel: yeah but i mean i want to get rid of EVERYTHING... start from scratch
[10:36] <jaro> Geek_:  you mean by using the console ?
[10:36] <andyp__> yes its a torrent sofware for kde
[10:36] <Geek_> darkED: wubi, then transfer it over?
[10:36] <Flannel> DarkED: then later you can remove kubuntu, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[10:36] <Geek_> jaro: yes
[10:37] <Geek_> i think you need to psudo those comands too
[10:37] <Deags> walls7 if u can spare 20gig ull be happier sparing 20
[10:37] <Flannel> Walls7: 10GB would be plenty
[10:37] <Deags> least thats what i have found
[10:37] <sauvin> Depends on what kinds of junk you plan on downloading.
[10:37] <Deags> indeed
[10:37] <jaro> Geek_:  ifdown -a | ifup -a ?
[10:38] <Deags> but for a newer level people tends to be better to go with 20 haha
[10:38] <Geek_> jaro: i *think* you need to mention which interfaces specifically
[10:38] <Deags>  i have a ati radeon 9800 and wanting to get drivers for it am i out of luck?
[10:38] <Geek_> did it once, but i'm not on my ubuntu susyem tigjt now
[10:38] <linux_> hi ive just updated firefox on my ubuntu 7, im having problems with loading youtube it crashes everytime anyone else got this problem ???????????
[10:39] <linux_> Firefox/<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:39] <Sithe> HOW DUZ I UNINSTAHL TEH ATEE EYE DRIVUR?
[10:39] <sauvin> linux, using what flash plugin?
[10:39] <GothCloud> :O
[10:39] <linux_> adobe
[10:39] <GothCloud> Sithe: LOL
[10:39] <sauvin> ...?
[10:39] <dfewr> kucink
[10:39] <Sithe> GothCloud: =)
[10:39] <thunkt> maybe your web browser is allergic to crap
[10:39] <linux_> lol
[10:39] <Deags> lol do u know?
[10:39] <linux_> cud be lol
[10:39] <Geek_> *remover
[10:40] <Sithe> haha
[10:40] <sauvin> heh. I'm using <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[10:40] <Deags> sithe do u know about the driver?
[10:40] <jaro> Geek_:  but shouldnt it be the same interface ? oh no it shouldnt...
[10:40] <Deags> im too retarded to do it  :(
[10:40] <Sithe> Deags: Nice name. And what do you mean?
[10:40] <linux_> well i wud upgrade there seems to be somthing wrong with it, my mate is having the same problem
[10:40] <DarkED> Flannel: thanks! that page will do it
[10:40] <DarkED> one more question
[10:40] <Deags> the aye tee eye driver
[10:40] <Deags> lol
[10:40] <Geek_> jaro... no it shoukdn't
[10:40] <linux_> wudnt*
[10:40] <DarkED> in my gnome i dont have the standard panels of a stock install
[10:40] <Walls7> i have 107GB unused and 42GB is used for windows. shrinking the partion 10GB wouldnt do much right?
[10:40] <Geek_> couldn't
[10:40] <DarkED> for instance, my network manager is missing from the panel
[10:41] <DarkED> and a few others
[10:41] <DarkED> how can i get all this stuff back to 7.04 defaults?
[10:41] <lourdraj> hi anyone help me wrt ubuntu
[10:41] <Geek_> Walls7: no
[10:41] <sauvin> lourdraj, with what?
[10:41] <Sithe> Deags: Yes what about the "ayetee eye drivuhr" use korrect inglish plz
[10:41] <neumind> on freebsd can i make http, ftp, psybnc server and other like on ubuntu?
[10:41] <lourdraj> i need to upgrade from python2.4.3 to python2.4.4 on ubuntu
[10:41] <kahrytan> DarkED: Right Click on Applications and Edit Menus
[10:42] <Flannel> Walls7: right.
[10:42] <flash42> neumind: probably you can
[10:42] <Walls7> Flannel: thanks for the help!
[10:42] <twosouls82> neumind: you can
[10:42] <neumind> flash42 this is dificult then ubuntu?
[10:42] <Deags> sithe lmao i was mocking u btw  i have a ati radeon 9800 and i just wanna get it workin nicely so i can put beryl on it honestly...
[10:42] <KaKaRoTo-KS> hi, I can't boot into my ubuntu in graphical mode
[10:42] <flash42> neumind: no it is not
[10:42] <DarkED> kahrytan: no, not the menu, the actual panel... like, on a stock ubuntu 7.04 install i can look at the top right of the panel and there's a network monitor icon
[10:42] <flash42> at least in my opinion
[10:42] <KaKaRoTo-KS> the pc was working fine, it shut down because of the battery, and now, when I boot, I only get into console mode
[10:42] <twosouls82> neumind: FreeBSD takes more knowledge than Linux if you ask me
[10:43] <tokj> hello people o/
[10:43] <twosouls82> neumind: server setup is mostly the same
[10:43] <Sithe> deags: Beryl doesn't work on most ATI Cards.. Its either you dont have full screen resoulution and have beryl, or dont have beryl and have fullscreen resolution
[10:43] <flash42> FreeBSD is perfect for running daemons though
[10:43] <twosouls82> amen
[10:43] <kahrytan> DarkED: Is the Notification applet on the panel?
[10:43] <Deags> hmm
[10:43] <DarkED> kahrytan: yes
[10:43] <sauvin> I can't find python 2.4.4 in the repos :\
[10:43] <Deags> i was told that it works with the 9600 and 9800
[10:44] <KaKaRoTo-KS> I get an output like this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103148
[10:44] <Deags> so i thought i would see what was up
[10:44] <twosouls82> sauvin: why do you think you need it?
[10:44] <sauvin> lourdraj, why do you need to install a new version of python?
[10:44] <lourdraj> bcos when i tried to install zope 2.9.7, the system giving warning message to upgrade python to 2.4.4
[10:45] <sauvin> GAHR.
[10:45] <Sithe> Deags: go into terminal and type: beryl --replace
[10:45] <twosouls82> lourdraj: try to make it use python2.5, I guess this will work just fine
[10:45] <Sithe> deags: beryl --replace
[10:45] <kahrytan> DarkED: Let me know if you get it back
[10:45] <Sithe> deags: Do your borders go away?
[10:45] <linux_> ive re-installed adobe flash but still firefox just crashes anyone get any ideas ? (firefox <IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:45] <DarkED> kahrytan: will do
[10:45] <Deags> one sec
[10:45] <sauvin> lourdraj, python has gotten to be a pretty important language for linux GUI stuff, among other things. The trouble with it is that backwards compatibility in python sometimes takes a beating. Upgrading is not without risk.
[10:46] <dgjones> !bot > dgjones
[10:46] <Shaye> How can I get a full list of all the running process and the IDS? "ps" ?
[10:46] <DarkED> kahrytan: i'm also gonna try deleting all my config directories under /home, that may do it
[10:46] <kahrytan> DarkED: I removed notification area and lost it too
[10:46] <Deags> wait
[10:46] <Deags> i dont have beryl eveninstalled
[10:46] <dissection> Shaye; ps aux
[10:46] <Deags> this isnt gonna work
[10:46] <Deags> i thought i needed the driver first
[10:46] <lourdraj> how to go about sauvin?
[10:46] <araizen> does anyone know what the easiest way to get elatex and/or pdfelatex in ubuntu is?
[10:47] <sauvin> I dont know. I'm running a (nearly) stock version of ubuntu feisty, and running python on IT reports its version as 2.5mumble.
[10:47] <Sithe> Deags: Install it
[10:47] <Sithe> deags: do you need help installing it?
[10:47] <Deags> k im assuming sudo apt-get install beryl-core
[10:47] <Flannel> araizen: Do you really need those particular latex packages?
[10:47] <Shaye> dissection thanks, btw, why when i am "root", and i try to type 'exit' it says still have stopped jobs?
[10:47] <Sithe> Deags: or you can go into symnaptic and do it
[10:48] <Sithe> deags: which is what I recommend.
[10:48] <dissection> Shaye: Sorry, I don't know. I'm still a newbie :)
[10:48] <Deags> kk
[10:48] <Shaye> dissection hehe :D me too
[10:48] <Deags> well lemme enable universe and crap lol just got this ubuntu installed
[10:48] <dissection> Shaye: Around 3 weeks old ;]
[10:49] <Flannel> Shaye: type 'jobs' see what's still around.
[10:49] <araizen> Flannel: not if you have some other suggestion as to how i might be able to typeset bidi and mixed hebrew/latin text
[10:49] <Flannel> araizen: does tetex not do that?
[10:49] <sauvin> lourdraj, do this at an xterm or other terminal prompt: python -V
[10:49] <DarkED> oh it's so nice to have all that kde crap gone
[10:49] <araizen> it gives me problems with mixed text, and the people in #latex think that bidi isn't well supported in tex
[10:50] <Sithe> deags: alright
[10:50] <lourdraj> its giving Python 2.4.3
[10:50] <Sithe> HOW DUZ I UNINSTAHL TEH ATEE EYE DRIVUR?
[10:51] <Amon-san> hi. midnight commander has the option to select files and or directories and assign ownership via chown (very nice menu) but how do i do the same in bash?
[10:51] <sean071307> chmod in bash
[10:51] <sean071307> amon^^
[10:51] <sauvin> lourdraj, what version of linux are you running?
[10:51] <Sithe> Who here likes Anon?
[10:51] <Bogus8> Hmm, I lost my cube... how did that happen?
[10:51] <kahrytan> DarkED: I think I found the app you are looking for
[10:51] <Deags> sithe im used to xuubuntu wanna tell me how to get universe :(
[10:51] <Amon-san> i mean not execution bits but who actually owns the file
[10:51] <sean071307> Bogus, in beryl?
[10:52] <Amon-san> i can set users and groups
[10:52] <ubuntu__> hello... i was using ubuntu, and my pc halted... i tryed to reboot but it appears an error: the filesystem can be only accessed on read-only and acuses bad blocks... how i fix it? (i`m using live cd)
[10:52] <DarkED> kahrytan: really? do tell, please :)
[10:52] <Sithe> Deags: Im not familiar with universe. I dont think you need it.
[10:52] <vladuz976> how do I check the memory installed?
[10:52] <Bogus8> sean071307: ubuntu's desktop effects... not sure what's the real difference there
[10:52] <kahrytan> DarkED: gnome-netstatus?
[10:52] <lourdraj> sauvin: i have ubuntu dapper and the python is python2.4.3
[10:52] <Amon-san> sean071307: so i guess it's a different command
[10:52] <PaulEU> hello!
[10:52] <kahrytan> DarkED: oh wait. not the one
[10:52] <DarkED> kahrytan: odd, i dont have that package
[10:53] <|_ocke> meh, no help so bed
[10:53] <|_ocke> night
[10:53] <Sithe> Deags: Go to [System]  | [Administration]  | [Synaptic Package Manager]
[10:53] <sean071307> bogus, it's the compiz settings
[10:53] <PaulEU> how can I check that in which package is /dir/file from ?
[10:53] <DarkED> how do i delete ALL gnome settings to start with a clean slate/
[10:53] <DarkED> ?
[10:53] <sauvin> yes, I got that. I'm running feisty; its default python version apparently is 2.5mumble. I'm seeing (now) references to python 2.4.4-2. Does dapper have the Synaptics package manager?
[10:53] <kahrytan> DarkED: lol You should.
[10:53] <Deags> o
[10:53] <Deags> i thought it was part of universe
[10:53] <Deags> my bad
[10:53] <Deags> k its installing
[10:53] <sean071307> and amon, are you trying to do the chmod as rood
[10:53] <sean071307> root*
[10:53] <Flannel> araizen: you could get the debian source package and compile it, then use dpkg, or compile (or whatever its shipped as) to /usr/local/
[10:54] <Amon-san> yes
[10:54] <araizen> what's the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal in synaptic?
 probably doing this will be sufficient: rm -r ~/.gnome
[10:54] <araizen> Flannel: okay, thanks, i was afraid of that
[10:54] <Bogus8> sean071307: it was there one minute and now it's gone... only thing I've been doing is I turned it effects off and on because an app went grayscale but wasn't locked and playing with "super key" and various keys to see what they did
[10:54] <sean071307> complete romoval gets rid of the config files araizen
[10:54] <PaulEU> is there exists tools for checking database of packages ??
[10:54] <Flannel> araizen: complete removal removes config files as well, it's the --purge flag in apt-get
[10:54] <kahrytan> DarkED: I cant find the original network
[10:54] <sean071307> bogus, did u try restarting Xserver?
[10:55] <kahrytan> DarkED: You could look through themes. They often change that icon used for it.
[10:55] <araizen> meaning i wouldn't even see it as an option anymore if i do complete removal?
[10:55] <PaulEU> because I don't know where is this folder /etc/apache/ from
[10:55] <Flannel> araizen: You could see if someone out there has packaged it for ubuntu.  Which could very well be the case.  getdeb is down at the moment, or I'd also tell you to check there
[10:55] <Bogus8> sean071307: nope, not yet... wasn't sure if I was missing something else more obvious
[10:55] <DarkED> hmm, seems like it's time to logout and relogin
[10:55] <DarkED> wish me luck
[10:55] <Flannel> PaulEU: `dpkg -S /etc/apache`
[10:55] <araizen> Flannel: okay, i'll check there at some point
[10:55] <Sithe> Deags: Done?
[10:55] <araizen> thanks
[10:55] <sean071307> i'd try just restarting Xserver
[10:55] <sean071307> to make it easier
[10:55] <Deags> nah ill yell at u ina min :P
[10:55] <triplc> Hi all
 you can check the files installed in synaptic, right click to a package -> properties -> files installed
[10:56] <amorphous_> I'm struggling with user accounts losing their internet connection.It happens intermitently and fairly frequently, but the admin account has no problems. can anyone offer any reason there may be for this? I'm a bit stumped.
[10:56] <Sithe> HOW DUZ I UNINSTAHL TEH AYTEE EYE DRIVUR?
[10:56] <PaulEU> Flannel: thx, how can I checks, dependences ?
[10:56] <triplc> What program to use to capture video from camcorder-via-s-video port?
[10:56] <sean071307> Sith lmao
[10:56] <sean071307> triplc i use camorama
[10:57] <Flannel> PaulEU: apt-cache show [package]
[10:57] <Deags> sithe ok it looks like beryl is installed
[10:57] <triplc> sean071307, thanks
[10:57] <Sithe> deags: alright now type in terminal:
[10:57] <Flannel> PaulEU: of course, all of these things are available other places.  Synaptic, and also packages.ubuntu.com, which might be friendlier to chase down multiple packages and stuff
[10:57] <Sithe> deags: beryl --replace
[10:57] <KOJV> Just launched Ubuntu from the live CD. Does that limit me from doing stuff like enabling a proper graphics adapter driver or such_
[10:57] <sean071307> np triplc
[10:57] <Pierre|b> anyone know if its possible to play music from a ntfs disc?
[10:58] <sauvin> Pierre|b, I do it all the time.
[10:58] <dissection> Pierre|b: Yes, I'm doing it.
[10:58] <KOJV> Help! Has anyone seen my KEYB.COM__
[10:58] <sean071307> KOJV, no
[10:58] <PaulEU> Flannel: big thx for help :)
[10:58] <sean071307> i do it too Pierreb
[10:58] <KOJV> Okay sean, how do I go about to get a proper driver for my GF FX5200_
[10:58] <Pierre|b> how? :)
[10:58] <gnuskool> what would be the easiest way to get a bios update onto a linux only machine, all flash tools etc i can find are for win32
[10:58] <alzamon> Hei, I've got a problem with gcc in xubuntu. gcc can't find the standard library headers. I write "gcc test.c" and get back "test.c:1:18: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory". Am I missing some packages or am I just doing it wrong?
[10:58] <|_ocke> gnuskool, dosbox or boot disk
[10:58] <sean071307> KOJV, have you tried envy yet? makes it ubereasy
[10:58] <KOJV> gnuskool, get a flash program for a DOS floppy diskette.
[10:59] <KOJV> sean, no, where do I find envy?
[10:59] <Bogus8> sean071307: still no go :(
[10:59] <Bogus8> no cube
[10:59] <Bogus8> it does have the wobble
[10:59] <LiberCogito> KOJV: Google NVidia ENvy
[10:59] <sean071307> bogus, have u opened the settings?
[10:59] <KOJV> Thanks Liber.
[10:59] <dgjones> !envy | sean071307, KOJV
[10:59] <ubotu> sean071307, KOJV: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:59] <Bogus8> sean071307: where?
[10:59] <sean071307> to check to make sure it's enabled
[10:59] <LiberCogito> KOJV: its the second entry
[10:59] <Sithe> Deag: did that?
[10:59] <bullgard4>
[10:59] <Sithe> deags: did that*
[10:59] <Bogus8> sean071307: in the desktop effects?  yes
[10:59] <gnuskool> l_ocke, i got hiren boot disk, ill fiddle with it a bit more
[11:00] <Sithe> GUYS YOU KNOW THERE IS A BERYL CHANNEL! #beryl
[11:00] <LiberCogito> KOJV: that's an old message.  i've used envy on 5 machines to no ill effect.
[11:00] <sean071307> Sithe, this isn't a beryl issue, it's compiz
[11:00] <sean071307> totally different =p
[11:00] <Sithe> Oh alright
[11:00] <LiberCogito> Technically Beryl is a fork of Compiz.
[11:00] <sean071307> desktop effects, as per Ubuntu are from compiz, not beryl
[11:00] <KOJV> LiberCogito, do I download the rdf?
[11:00] <gnuskool> _ocke, i got hiren boot disk, ill fiddle with it a bit more
[11:00] <sean071307> bethany, don't get tech on me
[11:00] <LiberCogito> And it no longer exists.
[11:00] <larsemil> anyone knows whats the problem with getdeb.net?
[11:00] <sean071307> i'll smack you
[11:01] <sean071307> lol
[11:01] <Sithe> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Alex_Wuori
[11:01] <sean071307> ilu sis
[11:01] <LiberCogito> KOJV: download the tarball.
[11:01] <LiberCogito> sean071307: *&^% you.
[11:01] <sean071307> <3
[11:01] <PaulEU> what's default desktop-effect after instalation ubuntu-7.04 ?
[11:01] <PaulEU> beryl or compiz ?
[11:01] <LiberCogito> PaulEU: Compiz
[11:01] <sean071307> compiz PaulEU
[11:01] <PaulEU> ok, thx
[11:01] <sean071307> it still hasn't been updated
[11:01] <Bogus8> looks up ;)
[11:01] <KOJV> LiberCogito, I can't find a download page for the tarball.
[11:02] <sean071307> lol
[11:02] <PaulEU> sean071307: compiz works super on my desktop
[11:02] <sean071307> ilu beth
[11:02] <Shaye> KOJV from quakenet? :D
[11:02] <triplc> sean071307, just apt-get install camorama... but when I run it, it say: cannot connect to /dev/video0. What should I do? I am using NEC E400, which has a S-Video port connecting to a JVC camcorder right now.
[11:02] <Sithe> Who here thinks scene girls are hot?
[11:02] <PaulEU> wha
[11:02] <sean071307> yay lan parties!!!
[11:02] <sean071307> Sithe, better not mean my sis
[11:02] <LiberCogito> KOJV: ill get you a link.  .
[11:02] <KOJV> Shaye, I
[11:02] <PaulEU> what's differences between compiz or compiz-fusion ?
[11:02] <KOJV> Shaye, I'm on many networks, yes.
[11:02] <LiberCogito> sean071307: don't think it counts if we're on different lans
[11:02] <sean071307> Paul, google is your friend
[11:02] <Sithe> sean071308: if your sister is scene then I do mean her.
[11:02] <sean071307> not just irc ;)
[11:02] <KOJV> Thank you LiberCogito.
[11:02] <sean071307> lmao, she's not scen
[11:02] <sean071307> e
[11:02] <sean071307> and she's old
[11:02] <sean071307> lmao
[11:02] <Sithe> grr
[11:03] <PaulEU> sean071307: ok, thx ;)
[11:03] <Sithe> lawl
[11:03] <Bogus8> sean071307: any other ideas?
[11:03] <sauvin> Too old for a 50 year old man? :)
[11:03] <KOJV> Can't I just download a proper driver from Nvidia?
[11:03] <sean071307> Bogus: try a restart
[11:03] <Sithe> sauvin: I am 15 lulz.
[11:03] <LiberCogito> sean071307: yeah.  22.  I'm ancient.
[11:03] <Sithe> sauvin: not 50
[11:03] <triplc> Hi all
[11:03] <Bogus8> sean071307: foolishness, this is linux ;)
[11:03] <lourdraj> sauvin: i have ubuntu dapper and the python is python2.4.3
[11:03] <sean071307> lulz? or lutz? lol
[11:03] <Sithe> lulz
[11:03] <Deags> well crap
[11:03] <Sithe> Welcome back Deags
[11:03] <sean071307> i know, but it's all i got =[
[11:03] <Sithe> Whats wrong?
[11:03] <Deags> white screen of death
[11:03] <lourdraj> sauvin: i need minimum of 2.4.4 to install zope
[11:04] <LiberCogito> KOJV: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=64
[11:04] <Sithe> Mmhhmm
[11:04] <andyp_> how come bittrrent download rates are slower on unduntu then on windows seems strange
[11:04] <sauvin> lourdraj, do your package manager repos have 2.4.4 or 2.5?
[11:04] <Deags> that means its not gonna work?
[11:04] <sean071307> andyp, have you checked your configs
[11:04] <Sithe> Yup.
[11:04] <Deags> well wtf
[11:04] <sean071307> make sure it's hogging the same badnwidth
[11:04] <Deags> how good of vid card do u need for it?
[11:04] <LiberCogito> sauvin: I'm 22!
[11:04] <LiberCogito> sean071307: sudo go get me a mt.dew
[11:04] <Sithe> Deags: tbh I started using linux like yesterday..   And you bought ATI.  So who really sucks?
[11:06] <Javid> There is a god damned orange fish swimming about on my screen, how do I kill it?
[11:06] <lourdraj> sauvin: its a server, to mant applications running
[11:06] <perpetual> How do I make gnome-screensaver span two monitors, instead of displaying two separate screensavers on each monitor? I use nvidia drivers with twinview.
[11:06] <Sithe> LiberCogito: I was using windows at the time.
[11:06] <sauvin> !@#$@%#
[11:06] <sean071307> Site, i use ati
[11:06] <sean071307> so don't blame ati
[11:06] <Sithe> sean. I have an X800.
[11:06] <sean071307> a comp is only as smart as the commands it's givin ;)
[11:06] <LiberCogito> Sithe: thats no excuse.
[11:06] <sean071307> hmm mine's x1400
[11:06] <sauvin> lourdraj, you CAN upgrade to python 2.4.4 or 2.5 or whatever is the latest out there BUT you are accepting an system-wide risk in doing so.
[11:06] <perpetual> Javid, try xkill
[11:06] <KOJV> Installing Envy gives me Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: module asisstance
[11:06] <Sithe> I will pay someone here $20 if they can get mine to work. No joke tell me your paypal right now
[11:06] <KOJV> assistant
[11:07] <sean071307> and sithe, stop bribing ppl
[11:07] <LiberCogito> KOJV: did you run all updates first?
[11:07] <lourdraj> sauvin, help me how to proceed?
[11:07] <KOJV> LiberCogito, no, where do I go about to do that?
[11:07] <Sithe> sean: i've tried everything, its the driver/card.. not me
[11:07] <sean071307> hmmmm... what are ur specs?
[11:07] <sauvin> lourdraj, BEAR IN MIND I DO NOT ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THIS, bop on over to python.org
[11:07] <Badzo> why picasa from google cant see my directory?
[11:07] <LiberCogito> KOJV: Erm, click on the orange thing that says updates available.
[11:07] <sean071307> and, how fresh of an install are you using?
[11:08] <Badzo> oh, it can see it but it cant add it to my library
[11:08] <Sithe> Intel P4 3.0GHZ, 3gb of ram, Ubuntu Fiest, installed yesterday, and an ATI Radeon X800 GTO
[11:08] <LiberCogito> KOJV: Or just type sudo apt get-update
[11:08] <perpetual> Sithe, ati card with fglrx?
[11:08] <Sithe> perpetual: yes
[11:08] <lourdraj> sauvin, let me try this
[11:08] <perpetual> Sithe, did you try ati's own installer yet?
[11:08] <Sithe> And for some damn reason the fglrx kernel is not in the xorg.0.log
[11:08] <Sithe> perpetual: I was told not too
[11:09] <sean071307> sithe, language plz
[11:09] <Sithe> sean: watch your language.
[11:09] <Sithe> You said the eff word a few times too
[11:09] <sean071307> sithe, what if you run fglrxinfo on JUST a normal session, not xgl
[11:09] <sean071307> just once ;)
[11:09] <KOJV> LiberCogito, no update icon here.
[11:09] <sean071307> sorry, learn to grep better
[11:09] <sean071307> lol
[11:09] <Sithe> sean
[11:09] <Sithe> hold on
[11:09] <sauvin> I, personally, do not give a [BEEP]  if you want to use that [HONK] ing kind of language, but it DOES sometimes [TWEET]  people right to [BAH-BOOM]  off.
[11:10] <perpetual> Sithe, I found the restricted modules package worse than useless.
[11:10] <LiberCogito> KOJV: Erm, you are using 7.04, correct?
[11:10] <Sithe> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:10] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:10] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:10] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:10] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
[11:10] <KOJV> LiberCogito, when I type the sudo command in the terminal it says command not found.
[11:10] <Sithe> Thats what I get when I type fgltxinfo
[11:10] <KOJV> LiberCogito, yes.
[11:10] <LiberCogito> !paste | Sithe
[11:10] <ubotu> Sithe: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:10] <Sithe> fglrxinfo*
[11:10] <perpetual> Sithe, and absolutely over-engineered
[11:10] <sean071307> chech your /etc/X11xorg.conf
[11:10] <sean071307> to make sure that you have the composite extension disabled
[11:10] <sean071307> check**
[11:10] <LiberCogito> KOJV: That makes no sense.
[11:10] <Sithe> set it to 0?
[11:10] <eternalswd> anyone know how to gnome default applications to xdg-open database?
[11:10] <KOJV> LiberCogito, I believe I must install the system on a hard drive to make it work, no?
[11:11] <sean071307> yepperz
[11:11] <LiberCogito> ....
[11:11] <LiberCogito> KOJV: Erm, things like "I'm running the LiveCD and it isn't installed' are things you want to tell people when asking for help.  :-p
[11:11] <KOJV> So, will Ubuntu, when installed and updated, be able to read my NTFS hard drive?
[11:11] <Sithe> Sean: where is this composite magig?
[11:11] <LiberCogito> KOJV: yes
[11:11] <sean071307> in the section extensions
[11:12] <KOJV> LiberCogito, I begun with asking if me running it Live would be a problem when updating the graphics drivers, and people said no.
[11:12] <Sithe> ya its at 0
[11:12] <LiberCogito> sean071307: I just had a flashback to work.
[11:12] <sean071307> did you do depmod -a and modprobe fglrx
[11:12] <sean071307> lmao
[11:12] <Javid> Is there a function to access a hard drive from a livecd?
[11:12] <sean071307> i love you sis
[11:12] <sean071307> just btw
[11:12] <sauvin> KOJV, ubuntu feisty mounted my NTFS partitions without my doing a damn thing.
[11:12] <KOJV> I'll prepare a hard drive for installing Ubuntu. See ya later.
[11:12] <perpetual> eternalswd, usually right click on icon and choose the application you want for it. Nautilus will then use the same app for files with the same extension. I think.
[11:12] <sean071307> btw, Site, do it as root, so sudo those cmnds
[11:12] <KOJV> sauvin: okay, sounds good.
[11:12] <Sithe> I did that sean.
[11:12] <Sithe> already
[11:13] <sean071307> did you run aticonfig --initial and aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv?
[11:13] <eternalswd> perpetual, this doesn't seem to apply it to xdg-open, only to gnome-open
[11:13] <kahrytan> darke
[11:13] <Sithe> Found fglrx primary device section
[11:13] <Sithe> Nothing to do, terminating.
[11:13] <Sithe> I got that
[11:14] <perpetual> eternalswd, oh. What are those?
[11:14] <Sithe> and
[11:14] <Sithe> Warning: Option 'VideoOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[11:14] <Sithe> Warning: Option 'OpenGLOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[11:14] <Sithe> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:14] <Sithe> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[11:14] <Sithe> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[11:14] <sean071307> you ran as sudo, yes?
[11:14] <Sithe> No.
[11:14] <Sithe> lawl
[11:14] <sean071307> try that ;)
[11:14] <jherrera> how can I handle multiple internet domains in my PC?
[11:15] <sean071307> try howtoforge jerrera, they have a good guide
[11:15] <sean071307> jherrera**
[11:15] <sauvin> .oO(are "lol" and its variants becoming quasi-legitimate words in English now?)
[11:15] <sean071307> yes
[11:15] <Sithe> I sudo'd it and got
[11:15] <Sithe> Warning: Option 'VideoOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[11:15] <Sithe> Warning: Option 'OpenGLOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[11:15] <Sithe> Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:15] <Sithe> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0
[11:15] <Javid> I hope to god not, I want to kill people that type that.
[11:15] <sean071307> ok, so now restart x w. ctrl+alt+bksp
[11:15] <sean071307> should work
[11:15] <sauvin> Sithe, all that means is you're going to have to restart X to see any effect.
[11:15] <eternalswd> perpetual, xdg-open is an application that allows running default applications for a given mimetype, just like gnome-open, but it is more universal
[11:15] <sean071307> yes, sauvin, but if it had been ran properly first, the output would be diff'
[11:16] <Sithe> Alright restarted X
[11:16] <sean071307> and?
[11:16] <Javid> Is there a function to access a hard drive from a livecd?
[11:16] <Sithe> want me to fglrxinfo?
[11:16] <LiberCogito> sauvin: I hope not.
[11:16] <sean071307> javid, try gparted?
[11:16] <sean071307> to view hd's
[11:17] <sean071307> sithe, plz and thank you
[11:17] <sauvin> LiberCogito, um, you hope not what...?
[11:17] <saylar> hey guys
[11:17] <sean071307> about the  "lol"
[11:17] <Javid> Dandy.
[11:17] <sean071307> hey saylar
[11:17] <Javid> Thanks.
[11:17] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:17] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[11:17] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON X800 GTO
[11:17] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6334 (8.34.8)
[11:17] <Sithe> =)
[11:17] <LiberCogito> sauvin: That the english language isn't that far gone.
[11:17] <sean071307> and time javid
[11:17] <sauvin> Ah.
[11:17] <sean071307> sithe, your good
[11:17] <DarkED> kahrytan, i got it back
[11:17] <sean071307> now try ;)
[11:17] <Sithe> So.. OpenGL is working?
[11:17] <sean071307> yes
[11:17] <sean071307> it won't in xgl though
[11:17] <sean071307> well, it will, but won't show up
[11:17] <Sithe> whats xgl?
[11:17] <kahrytan> DarkED: Hey.
[11:17] <sauvin> Oh, LiberCogito, I expect that English twenty years from now will be gibberish to us.
[11:18] <kahrytan> DarkED: Look for NetworkManager Applet
[11:18] <DarkED> kahrytan, i just deleted all .config files in my /home directory... everything
[11:18] <DarkED> kahrytan, no this is the one in the notification tray
[11:18] <DarkED> it's back now
[11:18] <sean071307> sithe, xgl is an x server ;)
[11:18] <sean071307> for 3d effects
[11:18] <kahrytan> DarkED: thats the one
[11:18] <kahrytan> DarkED: It's called NetworkManager Applet
[11:18] <Sithe> .....so does this mean that WoW still wont run?
[11:18] <sauvin> What's WoW?
[11:18] <Sithe> World of Warcraft
[11:18] <sean071307> lol, wow
[11:18] <sean071307> rofl
[11:18] <sean071307> LMAO
[11:19] <sean071307> beth, you take plz
[11:19] <Sithe> or CSS.
[11:19] <sean071307> CSS?
[11:19] <sean071307> css like the webdev lang?
[11:19] <Sithe> Counter-Strike: Source
[11:19] <sauvin> Sithe: do a "glxinfo | grep direct" without the quotes, please.
[11:19] <LiberCogito> Sithe: Are you using crossover, wine, or cedega?
[11:19] <Sithe> LiberCogito: Cedega
[11:20] <Sithe> sauvin: direct rendering: Yes
[11:20] <sean071307> omg =[
[11:20] <sean071307> boo @ win gamerz
[11:20] <sean071307> linux has better games
[11:20] <sean071307> but liber would be the girl to ask about wow and css i suppose
[11:20] <sauvin> then you have hardware acceleration.
[11:20] <amorphous_> any suggest why some user accounts on a machine may lose internet whilst others are ok?
[11:20] <kahrytan> !info network-manager-gnome | DarkED
[11:20] <ubotu> darked: network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 253 kB, installed size 1696 kB
[11:20] <LiberCogito> Sithe: Then you hopefully are actually paying them instead of pirating it, and since thats an offically supported game, you should go ask them. :)
[11:20] <Sithe> LiberCogito: I payed my $15, yes.
[11:20] <DaveD> does anyone here do stuff with midi?
[11:20] <sean071307> sauvin, i could have told you that from the driver, the fglrxinfo
[11:20] <LiberCogito> Sithe: Then you have support from them.  Go use it.
[11:21] <kahrytan> DarkED: Reinstall network-manager-gnome
[11:21] <sean071307> lol
[11:21] <sean071307> agreed liber
[11:21] <sean071307> ilu
[11:21] <Sithe> LiberCogito: No-one in their IRC tallks... ever.
[11:21] <DarkED> kahrytan, it's cool
[11:21] <Sithe> or forum for that matter
[11:21] <DarkED> i got it already dude
[11:21] <sean071307> they have a tech number ;)
[11:21] <DaveD> I'm having a bizarre problem with a midi interface working under edgy, but not feisty
[11:21] <DarkED> i said it came back :)
[11:21] <LiberCogito> Sithe: They don't offer more offical support?