[08:48] <ramsay_za> morning all. I have a question around tags. I want to create one trip if a server has more that 4 drives, this is what I have so far maas-cli juju tags new name='drive_cnt' comment='Drive count' definition='//node[@id="disk"] > 4'
[08:48] <ramsay_za> needless to say that didnt work
[08:49] <ramsay_za> any help?
[12:28] <melmoth> hola, we are playing with maas in a vm here to deploy some other nodes (also kvm vm).
[12:29] <melmoth> we pxe booted a first node (wich will be zookeeper), all right, it was enlisted
[12:29] <melmoth> we accepted and commission it, rebooted it
[12:29] <melmoth> and at boot stage, this node console show "boot sector signature not found"
[12:29] <melmoth> does this ring a bell to anyone ?
[12:30] <melmoth> hola renner :)
[12:46] <melmoth> renner, may be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/930962 ?
[12:51] <melmoth> renner, http://askubuntu.com/questions/141106/how-do-i-delete-a-node-from-maas-after-removing-it-from-cobbler
[18:05] <AceFace> hello all!
[20:03] <phpguy> What Arm chipsets will are supported for MAAS on ubuntu 12.10?


[00:20] <ule> :)
[10:54] <houpiti> hi, je cherche soit un canal IRC GRUB soit personnes connaissant bien GRUB pour programmer une ouverture par défaut spécifique. Merci
[11:47] <ule> Hi
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:13] <Amgine> BobJonkman: Are there any ubuntu-on-a-netbook experts here?
[16:15] <BobJonkman> Hi Amgine - There are a lot of ubuntu-on-a-netbook *users* in here.  But sadly, I'm not (yet) one of them

[16:15] <BobJonkman> Some of them might be experts -- what problems are you experiencing?
[16:16] <Amgine> Well, I'm doing some quick research for a client who is interested in possibly doing research using netbooks - possibly leading to a hundred or so units.
[16:17] <Amgine> The question is: could we set up a ubuntu netbook to only allow use of a browser, and that so it would only go to a specific, pre-set url?
[16:17] <Amgine> (doing surveys in secondary schools)
[16:17] <BobJonkman> So you need a "what works, what doesn't, what's good, what's bad" list?
[16:17] <BobJonkman> Ah.
[16:18] <BobJonkman> That's probably more of a browser feature
[16:18] <Amgine> Right, but is it possible to create a user which only has access to [browser that does this]?
[16:19] <BobJonkman> Does the browser "kiosk" feature meet your needs?  "kiosk" full-screens the browser, and supposedly disables many of the keystrokes that provide access to the OS
[16:19] <Amgine> Yes, it would. I don
[16:20] <Amgine> 't think there's anything in the survey that even requires a keyboard - all mouse/trackpad and click.
[16:20] <BobJonkman> Without having tried it myself, I would suggest creating a user account with almost no access at all, having it auto-login, launch the browser at startup in kiosk mode
 Excellent! looks exactly like what is needed.
[16:21] <Amgine> Great! thanks Bob! <continues mtg w/client, I love IRC>
[16:22] <BobJonkman> There's probably a way to start the browser as a system daemon, preventing user-level access to "Close", &c.

[16:29]  * BluesKaj wonders about google OS ...I thoyght it was being dev'd for netbook computing in the so called "cloud"


[02:56] <glick> hello
[03:57] <Hobbsee> HI EVERYONE!!!
[03:57] <Hobbsee> bah.  no one alive
[03:58] <pygi> Hobbsee, lies
[03:58] <pygi> and it's 3:54 AM, you can't expect anyone sane to be awake
[03:58] <Hobbsee> pygi: woot!  a person!
[03:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:58] <Hobbsee> depends on the timezone
[03:58] <pygi> how are you? :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh, spanish time
[03:59] <pygi> not spanish :P Croatia :p
[03:59] <Hobbsee> well, i just got home, after 36 hours of travel
[03:59] <pygi> nice :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:00] <pygi> Hobbsee, you must be tired
[04:00] <pygi> heh
[04:01] <Hobbsee> pygi: not too bad - slept a lot of frankfurt --> singapore, and singapore --> sydney
[04:01] <pygi> oh. well, I wasn't of that luck to sleep :P
[04:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:04] <pygi> ^_^
[04:04] <Hobbsee> "dear carrier pidgeons, please dont go on strike, kthxbye"
[04:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:10] <pygi> Hobbsee, did they eat you?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> pygi: dont think so
[04:11] <pygi> ehm, why not? :(
[04:25] <Amaranth> pygi: you were in sevilla?
[04:25] <Amaranth> i guess i didn't do a good job of putting a face to an irc nick there
[04:34] <pygi> Amaranth, I wasn't
[04:34] <pygi> why would I be there? I know nothing, so couldn't help with anything
[04:35] <pygi> :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> why would i be there? ;)
[04:39] <pygi> Amaranth, you should answer that
[04:39] <Amaranth> bling? :)
[04:44] <pygi> no idea, as I said ... I know nothing :p
[05:10] <jobezone> Hi, how can I close a bug I submitted in launchapd?
[05:11] <jobezone> Can't seem to find any option.
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> jobezone: Near the top, click the package affected, and you'll get a dropdown list of options.
[05:12] <jobezone> thanks, just did it
[07:12] <glick> hello
[07:13] <glick> i was wondering if there was a more seemless and easy/transparent way to integrate encryption into ubuntu
[07:16] <Treenaks> glick: there is a way.. it's not an easy one generally though (yet..)
[07:16] <Treenaks> glick: it will automount + ask for a passphrase for LUKS disks
[07:17] <Treenaks> glick: (so if you have an encrypted USB pen or something, with a LUKS bit on it, it will work)
[07:17] <glick> Treenaks, i also mean network communication
[07:18] <Treenaks> glick: SSL/TLS stuff? server or client side?
[07:18] <glick> i.e. automatically encrypt outgoing email, decrypt incommnig emails, encrypt web communications
[07:18] <Treenaks> ah
[07:18] <Treenaks> the default email client (evolution) supports both S/MIME and GnuPG (PGP) signing and encrypting
[07:18] <glick> i know it supports it
[07:18] <Treenaks> and of course SMTP/POP/IMAP over SSL/TLS
[07:18] <glick> but most people dont use it
[07:19] <Treenaks> it's all just a question of putting the right ticks in the right boxes :)
[07:19] <glick> we should try to make encryption main stream
[07:19] <Treenaks> I agree, but you can't force people to buy S/MIME certs (and no, Cacert is not good enough: Outlook will complain)
[07:19] <Treenaks> (until cacert is available by default in default windows installs)
[07:20] <glick> do you think it would be possible to encrypt all web traffic?
[07:20] <Treenaks> not unless all sites go https instead of http
[07:21] <glick> damn governments
[07:22] <Treenaks> glick: not just them... most sites are plain http, not https
[07:22] <Treenaks> also for server performance reasons, of course
[07:22] <glick> right
[07:24] <ajmitch> finally back home
[07:25] <Treenaks> ajmitch: wb :)
[07:25] <Treenaks> ajmitch: had a good flight?
[07:25] <ajmitch> long but uneventful
[07:26] <ajmitch> and gladly not full, so I had some room to move
[07:26] <ajmitch> best of all, my suitcase was even on the right plane this time :)
[07:26] <Treenaks> wow :) for a change ;)
[07:26] <ajmitch> impressive?
[07:26] <Treenaks> That's quite the beast
[07:27] <ajmitch> did you get some photos of it?
[07:27] <Treenaks> ajmitch: a bunch, didn't get them off my camera yet
[07:27] <ajmitch> good work
[07:28] <Treenaks> apparently, it just came back from a nearby airforce base, where they've been testing the noise output
[07:29] <Treenaks> anyway, off to work for me, sleep well :)
[07:29] <ajmitch> bye :)
[07:39] <Amaranth> ajmitch: dude, you're lucky
[07:39] <Amaranth> my suitcase was on the flight after me and got wet somehow
[07:40] <Amaranth> so the TSA "we went through your shit" tag soaked ink into my clothes
[08:01] <fabbione> morning
[08:07] <pitti> Good morning
[08:33] <Mithrandir> morning, pitti
[08:33] <pitti> Hey Mithrandir, got home in one piece?
[08:34] <Mithrandir> yes, but the airline lost my luggage.
[08:34] <Mithrandir> again.
[08:34] <pitti> erk
[08:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Nice.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> indeed.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> so I get to sort out that mess today, I guess
[08:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Next time you book say, "I'm going to Boston, but I'd like you to send my luggage to Australia."
[08:36] <StevenK> 'We don't do that, sir.' "Why not? You did it last time!"
[08:36] <Mithrandir> heh
[08:36] <Mithrandir> I'm not sure if it's actually misrouted, I believe it's just delayed.
[08:37] <StevenK> Amaranth had that problem, his luggage was on the flight after.
[08:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yeah same here.. delayed in Madrid.. it?s on its way here now
[08:38] <StevenK> I wouldn't wish that fun on anyone, though.
[08:39] <Lathiat> what happened there?
[08:40] <StevenK> If I recall correctly, his luggage was delayed by two days when he arrived.
[08:41] <Mithrandir> StevenK: I arrived in SVQ on Friday and got my luggage on Monday (or was it Tuesday?)
[08:42] <StevenK> That's a quality airline. Quality with a K, that is.
[08:42] <Mithrandir> you mean they run KDE on all their systems?
[08:43] <Mithrandir> I'd rather blame the airports, the airline itself probably didn't touch the luggage.
[08:43] <StevenK> That's a poiint.
[08:43] <StevenK> s/ii/i/
[08:43] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <dholbach> hey Tollef
[08:45] <Mithrandir> StevenK: shame Hobbsee isn't around to be trolled.
[08:47] <StevenK> Heh
[08:47] <StevenK> I must admit it's fun trolling Hobbsee about KDE.
[08:47] <Mithrandir> except in person when she tries to poke holes in my ribs.
[08:53] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Same.
[09:37] <mario> hi folks
[09:48] <dholbach> mjg59: can you make me a member of the ~motu team?
[09:49] <dholbach> mjg59: it seems there are no administrators for the team and somehow ~ubuntu-dev is not member of the team
[10:18] <Mithrandir> doko: what is your plan wrt fixing the hunspell breakage?  Just get ooo recompiled?
[10:20] <doko> Mithrandir: I doubt it will sucessfully build at the moment; didn't plan any updates this week
[10:21] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:29] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back jackbeat and prokyon3 on sparc.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back
[10:32] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[11:11] <asac> any idea how the upgrade path from dapper to gutsy+1 will look like? Does it make sense to keep transition packages
[11:11] <asac> ?
[11:12] <DBO> ping BenC
[11:12] <dholbach> asac: yes, but mvo knows more about that - he does update tests regularly - although I don't know if it's dapper->gutsy+1 or ->gutsy+2 that we will need to support
[11:12] <Mithrandir> asac: talk to mvo about it.
[11:12] <asac> mvo: ^^^
[11:12] <Mithrandir> dholbach: current plan is gutsy+1 is the next LTS
[11:13] <dholbach> alright
[11:13] <mario> dholbach, ^_^
[11:13] <dholbach> mario: hm?
[11:13] <mvo> asac: keeping transitional packages is a good idea. we can work around missing ones quite easily with update-manager, but in general it makes our live easier
[11:13] <mario> just hi :p
[11:14] <dholbach> ah - I didn't know "^_^" meant "hi"
[11:14] <asac> mvo: so how about mozilla transition ... it was dropped for feisty ... now a replacement will reappear?
[11:14] <dholbach> hi mario
[11:15] <DBO> dholbach, PM ok?
[11:17] <dholbach> DBO: sure
[11:18] <mvo> asac: you mean that the mozilla suite was removed entirely?
[11:18] <seb128> hey mvo
[11:18] <asac> exactly
[11:18] <mvo> hey seb128
[11:19] <asac> mvo: will the upgrade be a "one-big-step" thing ... or will upgrade manager do a multi-step upgrade under the hoods?
[11:19] <mvo> asac: well, we could add some code into the "quirks" handler that transition them automatically to firefix and thunderbird. how important do you consider this?
[11:19] <mvo> asac: its a "one-big-thing" step currently, also we could change this. but so far there was no need for changing it
[11:20] <asac> mvo: ok ... i will think a bit. but i think we just want the mozilla -> seamonkey/iceape migration.
[11:21] <mvo> asac: ok, you don't have to do it with transitional package, if you give me details I can do it inside the release-upgrader and we add it to the manual-upgrades release notes
[11:22] <asac> mvo: ok fine.
[11:23] <mvo> asac: could you file a bug about it so that I do not  forget it :) ?
[11:24] <asac> mvo: against what package?
[11:24] <mvo> asac: update-manager please
[11:24] <asac> k
[11:24] <asac> mvo: product or ubuntu source?
[11:25] <seb128> mvo: speaking about transition, do you want to do the gaim to pidgin one to update-manager?
[11:29] <mvo> seb128: what scope is it? would all we need be a single gaim transitional package?
[11:30] <seb128> mvo: gaim being renamed to pidgin and plugin packages as well
[11:30] <seb128> mvo: is that something that requires update-manager magic or the provides, conflicts, replaces are enough?
[11:30] <asac> mvo: 114587
[11:31] <mvo> asac: thanks!
[11:32] <mvo> seb128: the general rule is that if apt understands it, u-m will understand it too. it just has some additional hinting features for difficult situations
[11:32] <seb128> mvo: k, so it should be ok
[11:41] <pitti> doko: do you have an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7592538/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.texlive-bin_2007-7ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? This didn't happen with previous versions
[11:41] <pochu> cjwatson: are you happy with me doing the base-files merge? :)
[11:45] <doko> pitti: not seen before. just amd64?
[11:45] <pitti> doko: yes
[11:45] <pitti> doko: we can try a give-back, maybe transient glitch with binutils or so?
[11:46] <doko> pitti: well, maybe wait until my binutils upload is in the archive
[11:47] <pitti> doko: ok
[11:53] <dharrigan> Mithrandir: Hi. Did you perhaps get a chance to look over the email from dholbach re: licensing?
[11:59] <pitti> mvo: can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11 ?
[12:00] <mvo> pitti: sure
[12:03] <mvo> pitti: ok, that sounds good
[12:06] <Mithrandir> dharrigan: no, sorry, I've been busy at UDS.  I'll try to get to it today.
[12:08] <dharrigan> Mithrandir: ta :)
[12:18] <mvo> pitti: are you working on this right now? if not, I will add the code, it seems straightforward
[12:18] <pitti> mvo: no, I'm not; I'm currently busy with spec writing
[12:18] <pitti> mvo: thanks!
[12:19] <mvo> pitti: *cough* I need to go back to spec writing too, but this looks like a good excuse to stop it for ~30min
[12:19] <pitti> :)
[12:34] <PriceChild> Hey asac, could you give me your forums name or profile page? I can't find it :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: his LP page?
[12:34] <asac> asac
[12:34] <asac> PriceChild: ^^^ ??
[12:35] <asac> PriceChild: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=177366
[12:35] <PriceChild> aha got you asac... dunno why I didn't pick that up earlier... thanks :)
[12:35] <asac> PriceChild: thanks!!!
[12:36] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: hi!
[12:36] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: you made it ;)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> heya Treenaks!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: yeah, eventually!
[12:37] <Treenaks> good :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> 36 hours of transit
[12:37] <Hobbsee> 4 planes, 3 trains, and one car trip.
[12:37] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: ouch..
[12:38] <Treenaks> 1 taxi ride, 2 planes, 1 bus = 5.5 hours of fun
[12:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:38] <Hobbsee> oh i forgot about the taxi
[12:40] <Treenaks> so now you're very tired, and very jetlagged! ;)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i slept for a bit earlier
[12:41] <Hobbsee> didnt think i was *too* jetlagged though
[12:44] <ion_> Me neither.
[12:44] <Treenaks> or me
[12:44] <ion_> Perhaps its because i have resided in the same country.
[12:44] <ogra> hmm, does anybody hav a clue where /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox comes from ? there is no travce in the initramfs-tools source package ...
[12:44] <StevenK> ogra: Is it static?
[12:44] <ogra> yes
[12:45] <ogra> but there is no code in the source that builds it or something
[12:45] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > apt-file search /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <Mithrandir> busybox-initramfs: usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu10$ LANG=C dpkg -l /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <ogra> No packages found matching /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox.
[12:45] <ogra> intresting
[12:45] <StevenK> % dpkg -S /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <StevenK> busybox-initramfs: /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <Mithrandir> what's interesting about that, apart from you using -l instead of -S ? :-P
[12:45] <StevenK> It's because you can't drive dpkg.
[12:45] <ogra> gah ...
[12:46] <highvoltage> caffeine++
[12:48] <ogra> highvoltage, i wonder if thats our problem here ... i think jim uses a dynamically linked version in ltsp 4.2
[12:48] <highvoltage> ogra: dynamically linked version of busybox, or those directories that are linked on boot time?
[12:48] <highvoltage> ah, busybox.
[01:23] <mario> hi folks
[01:33] <pitti> asac: is it just me, or did the firefox icon (as I have it in my panel) disapper in the last week for everyone?
[01:33] <Mithrandir> pitti: it's there for me
[01:33] <pitti> I just have that generic 'X' icon for it
[01:34] <pitti> hm, ok; /me fixes it manually
[01:35] <mario> pitti, !
[01:35] <asac> pitti: hmmm ... haven't heard of a bug
[01:36] <asac> pitti: what was missing for you?
[01:38] <pitti> asac: the starter in the panel didn't have an icon any more
[01:39] <asac> ok
[01:39] <pitti> asac: I fixed it now, but .config/autostart/firefox.desktop didn't change; no idea where those icons are defined
[01:40] <asac> interesting
[01:46] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices would be ready for review
[01:46] <pitti> smurf: btw, will you still do reviews?
[01:50] <seb128> ogra: new gnome-power-manager available (2.19
[01:50] <seb128> pitti: the panel launchers are not autostart desktops, they are stored to .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers
[01:51] <StevenK> Hrm, I need to actually get a clue about my spec.
[01:51] <ogra> seb128, thanks
[01:51] <pitti> seb128: heh, they are named 'bar', 'eek', 'foo', 'foo' for me
[01:51] <StevenK> pitti: Would you mind casting an eye over it and telling me what you think?
[01:52] <seb128> pitti: yeah, that's normal ;)
[01:54] <pitti> StevenK: which spec?
[01:54] <StevenK> pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/about-ubuntu-revisited
[01:54] <StevenK> pitti: Be gentle. :-)
[01:56] <pitti> StevenK: hm, it's not possible to merge those new information into the existing yelp page?
[01:56] <pitti> StevenK: TBH I'd rather not mess with the Desktop team's stuff; they are better suited for input about that
[01:58] <StevenK> pitti: Well, I was mainly looking for a "it looks sane to have other people look at it" :-)
[01:59] <pitti> StevenK: implementation should outline the, well, implementation: whether it's a standalone GTK app, or a yelp page, etc.
[01:59] <pitti> StevenK: and it should have a stanza about merging the current page
[02:00] <StevenK> pitti: That's the hard part - Kubuntu being QT, and Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu being GTK.
[02:00] <pitti> yeah, you won't get around writing differnet UIs unless you have a UI agnostic solution like a web page
[02:01] <pitti> and I'm not entirely sure about the use cases/rationale
[02:01] <StevenK> I don't mind writing different UIs, personally. A web page also can't display informtion about the machine itself.
[02:01] <pitti> after all, the gentoo use case knows uname probably, for bug reporting we have apport automatically collect that info, sysadmins will prefer to ssh into the box and check lsb_release, etc.
[02:02] <pitti> static web page> right
[02:02] <StevenK> To be honest, the use cases were taken from the original specification.
[02:54] <pitti> seb128: if you have a minute, I'd welcome your feedback about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportCrashDuplicates
[02:54] <pitti> seb128: I hope I got it reasonably robust, but you have more experience in that, I think
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hiya pitti
[02:56] <pitti> hey Hobbsee! you made it back!
[02:56] <Treenaks> pitti: You're still speccing? :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> pitti: eventually, yes.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> pitti: 36 hours, a taxi, 4 and a bit plane flights, 3 trains, and a car later.
[02:56] <pitti> Treenaks: 'still'? I only finished three specs today, that will cost me the better part of the week :)
[02:57] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I'm reminded of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, and you didn't have to put up with John Candy.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh
[02:59] <Treenaks> StevenK: you don't know that last part :P
[02:59] <StevenK> Treenaks: Hah
[03:00] <seb128> pitti: will look in a bit
[03:58] <sharms> spacey: I just read the comments on your blog, it seems you have the same trouble I do with people leaving comments that are total retards
[03:59] <spacey> sharms: hehe, indeed:)
[03:59] <spacey> my anti-spam plugin is not hard enough
[03:59] <sharms> I am developing a theory, in which no matter how well you describe a point, no matter how it is addressed, these people will still comment
[04:00] <mjg59> sharms: Not appropriate here
[04:00] <sharms> mjg59: gotcha
[04:00] <spacey> :)
[04:09] <ogra> mjg59, do we have a valid tech reason to not include 915resolution in main ?
[04:09] <mjg59> Yes. It's horrible.
[04:09] <mjg59> And -intel will be stable enough for gutsy.
[04:09] <ogra> well, i wont be able to make the classmatepc work without it it seems
[04:10] <mjg59> Then use -intel.
[04:10] <mjg59> Or get Intel to ship a working mode in their bios
[04:10] <mjg59> Using 915resolution effectively guarantees that any external video output won't work
[04:10] <mjg59> Because it does nothing to reprogram the timings
[04:10] <ogra> xserver-xorg-video-intel you mean ?
[04:11] <mjg59> Yes
[04:11] <ogra> ah, k
[04:11] <mjg59> Or i810-modesetting
[04:11] <ogra> why isnt xorg selecting that one by default ? can we fix that ?
[04:11] <Mithrandir> ogra: because we are still early in the development cycle.
[04:11] <mjg59> Because it's a regression on a lot of hardware currently supported by i810
[04:12] <ogra> aha
[04:12] <mjg59> Though that'll be fixed soon
[04:12] <ogra> hmm
[04:12] <ogra> good :)
[04:12] <mjg59> i830 support is being added now
[04:13] <pitti> Mithrandir: can we please try a give-back for texlive-bin on amd64? new binutils are in the archive
[04:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: backgegeben
[04:14] <pitti> :)
[04:16] <pitti> Mithrandir: can you please kick javacc as well?
[04:16] <Mithrandir> pitti: backgegibt
[04:16] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back sooperlooper on sparc and drscheme on powerpc.
[04:17] <geser> Mithrandir: could you reject decoratortools from the NEW queue? it is needed for turbogears <IP_ADDRESS> but Debian undid the upstream change requiring it as a seperate module and I want to file a sync request for the Debian package
[04:17] <Mithrandir> geser: rejected
[04:18] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back.
[04:18] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[04:28] <pochu> ogra: also, -intel is still in universe
[04:29] <ogra> well, if thats a sane package we'll get it to main
[04:29] <mjg59> ogra: You'll want to talk to Bryce about the plans for that
[04:29] <ogra> mjg59, seen my /mgs ?
[04:29] <ogra> *msg
[04:32] <pochu> ogra: IMHO it's really sane, I've been using for more than a month, and it works fine
[04:32] <ogra> great
[04:33] <mjg59> ogra: Ah, I'm not identified
[04:33] <ogra> oh, k
[04:34] <ogra> right, your cloak isnt set i should have noticed
[04:34] <mjg59> I don't have a cloak
[04:34] <ogra> oh, i thought ubuntu members are auto cloaked ...
[04:35] <mjg59> Really? I'd hope not.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ogra: only if they ask
[04:36] <ogra> ah, k
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:57] <pochu> pitti: if you have a moment, can you please take a look at bug #103688? It's for a sru
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688
[04:58] <pochu> pitti: it's a one-line-change, so it shouldn't be a lot of time :)
[05:29] <pitti> pochu: hm, does that really affect so many users?
[05:46] <seb128> BenC: you want to patch pidgin, gaim is deprecated
[05:46] <BenC> seb128: ah, ok
[05:46] <BenC> seb128: thanks
[05:46] <seb128> np
[05:47] <BenC> elmo: Unable to find a source package for pidgin
[05:47] <BenC> s/elmo/E:/
[05:47] <ion_> benc: /set completion_auto off :-)
[05:48] <BenC> ion_: that's no fun. Then I wont  be able to bug elmo by accident :)
[05:48] <ion_> :-)
[05:48] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <ion_> You could always patch dpkg to say elmo: instead of E:.
[05:52] <pochu> pitti: I think so: open liferea, go to a folder, and go to another folder :)
[05:52] <pochu> and since it's one line...
[05:53] <pitti> pochu: hm, so not just a corner case then; we only have two bugs about that
[05:53] <pitti> pochu: approved, I updated the bug
[05:53] <pochu> pitti: maybe people doesn't use folders? :)
[05:53] <pochu> pitti: cool, thanks!
[05:53] <seb128> BenC:
[05:53] <seb128> $ apt-cache madison pidgin
[05:53] <seb128>     pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[05:53] <seb128>     pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[05:57] <randomwalker> hi, how do i go about getting a deb accepted in the ubuntu repos? is this the right place to ask?
[05:58] <pochu> randomwalker: I think #ubuntu-motu would be better
[05:58] <randomwalker> pochu: thanks
[06:06] <seb128> siretart: the new totem requires xine-lib 1.1.7, do you plan to update it this week?
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: did you mean perhaps xine-lib 1.1.6?
[06:07] <seb128> no
[06:07] <seb128> $ grep XINE configure.in
[06:07] <seb128> XINE_REQS=1.1.7
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: if yes, I already uploaded it one or two weeks ago, but it FTBFS because of ffmpeg missing
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: 1.1.7 is not released yet. do you want me to upload a development snapshot?
[06:08] <seb128> 	* configure.in: Up the required xine-lib version, to get the
[06:08] <seb128> 	xine-lib fix at
[06:08] <seb128> 	http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib?cmd=changeset;node=2b182beaba68;style=gitweb
[06:08] <seb128> hum
[06:08] <seb128> I'll just drop the requirement then
[06:08] <seb128> and talk to totem upstream about it
[06:08] <siretart> the fix seems pretty sane to me
[06:08] <siretart> I can include that patch in the 1.1.6 package
[06:09] <seb128> that would be nice
[06:09] <siretart> I make myself a note
[06:09] <seb128> cool
[06:09] <siretart> I need to update xine-ui as well.. argh
[06:12] <siretart> seb128: note that xine-lib 1.1.6 is not built in gutsy. if you need it quick, just reupload with dropped build-deps and comment out the line in debian rules containing '--with-external-ffmpeg'
[06:18] <ogra> dholbach, ltsp-build-client has a default list of package it installs in the chroot ... since thats free to be tewaked by and admin to his/her liking i try to avoid package deps from ltsp-client ... in case of the cursor theme thats not true i think but there might be packages ...
[06:19] <dholbach> ogra: ok, if you want, you can change your cursor.theme to inherit from Industrial,Human
[06:19] <dholbach> ogra: that way it should fall back to one of them
[06:19] <dholbach> (if found)
[06:20] <ogra> i think thats what i do already ...
[06:20] <ogra> for ldm
[06:20] <dholbach> then I don't know what else I should take care of for you
[06:20] <ogra> in ltsp we dont do that for all packages
[06:21] <ogra> EARLY_PACKAGES="xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri libglu1-mesa xfonts-base xbase-clients xutils xkb-data xterm ltsp-client d
[06:21] <ogra> iscover1 laptop-detect xresprobe pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat inputattach usplash ldm ltspfsd human-cursors-theme usplash-theme-ubuntu"
[06:21] <ogra> an admin is free to use a different value for EARLY_PACKAGES
[06:21] <ogra> thast why we dont have deps in place there
[06:21] <dholbach> ogra: are you saying you still want human-cursors-theme in main?
[06:22] <ogra> i can try to make the default lis a recommends
[06:22] <ogra> no
[06:22] <ogra> i say you wouldnt have found it with rdepends
[06:22] <dholbach> ok
[06:22] <ogra> since EARLY_PACKAGES isnt in any dependency tree
[06:22] <dholbach> right
[06:23] <ogra> i'l add the defaults to be a recommends or suggests of ltsp-client for gutsy so you can see what its in EARLY_PACKAGES without reading the source
[06:23] <dholbach> ok
[06:23] <ogra> i remember we had that prob before ... so lets get it solved now :)
[06:33] <dholbach> pitti: do I need a MIR for industrial-cursors-theme? (it just contains cursors - we want to drop human-cursors-theme)
[06:40] <pitti> dholbach: I'll take a look at the package before promoting it
[06:41] <dholbach> pitti: ok, take your time
[06:46] <bryce> keescook: you abouts?
[06:49] <keescook> bryce: yawp, catching up on some email.  sup?
[06:50] <bryce> I was thinking about working on merging a few of the xserver video drivers, and was curious about plans for finishing up the xserver merge
[06:52] <dholbach> seb128: doing gthumb
[06:53] <seb128> dholbach: cool, I'm doing nautilus
[06:53] <Simira> hmm...
[06:53] <Simira> dholbach: how's your Dutch?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Simira!!!
[06:54] <Simira> hi Hobbsee, home already?
[06:54] <dholbach> Simira: barely existant
[06:55] <Simira> dholbach: ok, nm then :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: yeah, after 36 hours of travel, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 taxi, and 1 car.
[06:55] <Simira> and a bit???
[06:55] <Simira> where was the parted plane?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Simira: we taxi'd out to the runway, then they decided that we really shouldnt take off, and took us back
[06:57] <Simira> right
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ground power to the plane died.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Simira: although, there was major fog in sydney when we were originally supposed to get in - so we may have been ended up shoved to melbourne instead, had we gottne thru
[06:59] <keescook> bryce: well, I need someone to look at the debian/rules differences (seb128?) but beyond that, I think it's a simple case of dropping the patch timo mentioned, building it and testing it on a gutsy install
[07:00] <bryce> keescook: ok, let me know when you want to tackle those things, and how I can help
[07:01] <seb128> bryce, keescook: I'm happy to look at the xserver merge if you want, that will be for tomorrow though, I've to run in like 10 minutes
[07:03] <keescook> seb128: I'll put together some specific questions about it and email you.
[07:03] <keescook> bryce: let's walk through it later today (say maybe around 1pm?)
[07:03] <seb128> keescook: ok
[07:06] <racarr> .win goto 17
[07:06] <racarr> err. Sorry about that.
[07:06] <bryce> keescook: sounds great!
[07:07] <bryce> I'm going to get started on the video driver DaD merges; a bunch look real simple
[07:08] <keescook> bryce: cool.  now that MoM is working again, you might want to look there too.  I'm not sure which gets run more frequently (merges.ubuntu.com)
[07:08] <Mithrandir> mom runs every hour
[07:08] <bryce> ok
[07:08] <bryce> will DaD be going away then?
[07:11] <keescook> bryce: not sure.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> bryce: you''d have to ask those who wrote it
[07:13] <keescook> hiya zul!  any chance you can look at the xen-3.0 merge?  I only touched it last because of the security update I stuffed into it.  :)
[07:15] <zul> keescook: yep Im in the middle of it now gutsy is going to have 3.1
[07:15] <keescook> cool
[07:26] <ogra> woot, according to MOM debian is ahead of us with gnome package versions ? wow ... i think thats the first time since ubuntu exists ...
[07:30] <pitti> asac: enigmail (in NEW) does not C/R/P: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail
[07:30] <pitti> asac: can they actually be installed side by side?
[07:32] <asac> pitti: let me look
[07:35] <asac> pitti: looks like a bug
[07:37] <pitti> asac: I leave it in NEW until it's fixed, ok?
[07:38] <asac> sure first thing in the morning
[07:38] <asac> thanks
[07:59] <mjg59> Hm. What's up with gucharmap?
[07:59] <mjg59> It's blocking any gnome builds
[08:00] <Mithrandir> mjg59: give me an example of a blocked build?
[08:00] <mjg59> Mithrandir: gnome-applets
[08:00] <dholbach> libgucharmap6-dev -> libgucharmap-dev?
[08:07] <Kmos> pitti: check your mail
[08:09] <geser> have someone an idea why libembperl-perl fails to build on the i386 and amd64 buildds (but builds fine in an amd64 pbuilder)?
[08:11] <Mithrandir> because apache 1 is broken, it seem
[08:11] <Mithrandir> +s
[08:12] <geser> does the buildd use an other apache package than my pbuilder?
[08:13] <geser> it builds on the other arch buildds
[09:50] <ogra> pitti, ??
[09:50] <ogra>      - debian/dhcp3-server.init.d: Allow LTSP to override default configuration
[09:50] <ogra>        in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.
[09:50] <ogra> ??
[09:50] <ogra> is that adopted by debian ?
[09:50] <pitti> ogra: certainly not?
[09:51] <ogra> no idea
[09:51] <ogra> i just looked into your changelog
[09:51] <pitti> ogra: it's in 'remaining changes'
[09:51] <ogra> oh, thats meant to be a dash, not a minus ?
[09:52] <pitti> yes, it's just a normal list
[09:52] <ogra> ok
[09:52] <ogra> i read it as minus ... the plusses in there confused me, sorry
[09:53] <pitti> no worries; it's just a standard changelog enumeration order, *, then -, then +
[09:53] <ogra> yep
[10:04] <micahcowan> Would anybody like to sponsor a gawk patch? bug 58256.
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[10:09] <shaya> so did the libnspr4 upgrade break everything that uses it? :)
[10:17] <xst> Does anyone know the status of bug #108288?
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio is played in "slow motion"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108288
[10:19] <pochu> xst: looks like confirmed :p
[10:26] <xst> pochu: Yes, I can see that. But besides that, are there any progress?
[10:32] <pochu> xst: just kidding :) Looking at the bug report, I'd say there isn't
[10:50] <pitti> Riddell: I just removed pmount from the kubuntu desktop seed FYI
[10:53] <Riddell> pitti: ok
[10:54] <pitti> Riddell: do you plan a kdelibs upload in the next time to remove it? or shall I upload it or file a bu?
[10:54] <pitti> bug, even
[10:55] <Riddell> pitti: go ahead, I'm on holiday this week
[10:57] <freezone> hi
[10:59] <pygi> 4
[11:05] <bryce> keescook: btw, if/when you want to talk xserver, I'm ready
[11:06] <keescook> bryce: okay, let me finish up my pptp testing, one sec
[11:06] <bryce> keescook: I found with the video drivers that they're depending on xserver 1.3 now


[12:22] <mjg59> ispiked: What kernel?
[12:24] <ispiked> mjg59: the one that ships with breezy (2.6.12-9-386
[12:24] <ispiked> ).
[12:24] <ispiked> bah.
[12:32] <mjg59> ispiked: What sort of machine?
[12:33] <mjg59> A D610?
[12:33] <mjg59> I thought we'd fixed that in 2.6.12-9
[12:33] <ispiked> mjg59: a D610, and it does work normally, it just seems to have busted after I resumed from suspend.
[12:33] <mjg59> Yeah
[12:34] <ispiked> mjg59: would seeing the dmesg help?
[12:34] <mjg59> Nope
[12:34] <mjg59> I've got a D610 myself :)
[12:34] <ispiked> any way I could force it to load?
[12:34] <mjg59> Is this suspend to disk or suspend to RAM?
[12:34] <ispiked> suspend to disk.  One day when you least expect it, she will bring it up again
[03:41] <Yagisan> usually when you have forgotten all about it
[03:41] <dilinger> Yagisan: win the battle, but never the war?
[03:42] <Yagisan> dilinger: seems that way. Now if only I could harness all that extra storage space of my systems ...
[03:43] <Yagisan> s/of/for
[03:44] <zul> Yagisan: oh she does that as well
[03:56] <zul> she does it real well
[04:05] <zul> hey BenC how was your thanksgiving
[04:10] <BenC> good, thanks
[04:18] <jbailey> The computer says "Sorry.  You're too full of Turkey to use the Internet right now"
[04:18] <makx> hello jbailey
[04:18] <infinity> BenC : Eek, the sky is falling, linux-source is FTBFS all over, aieeee!!
[04:18] <infinity> BenC : Also, "hi".
[04:18] <jbailey> Heya makx
[04:19] <zul> he reads the logs..:)
[04:19] <jbailey> Really?  That's sick.
[04:19] <makx> jbailey: what do you drink with turkey?
[04:19] <infinity> Oh, I hadn't noticed he'd left.  I are retarded.
[04:20] <jbailey> makx: Umm.   ... "MEAT!"'
[04:20] <jbailey> makx: Sitting next to him at a Brazilian restaurant was..    It's hard to find "saved" pagans. ;)
[04:21] <zul> hehe..
[04:21] <infinity> Jesus is so picky.
[04:22] <makx> probably, i'm scared.
[04:22] <jbailey> makx: It was the swords with the meat hanging off of them that scared me more, though.
[04:22] <jbailey> And the imitation Caipirihnas.
[04:22] <dilinger> jbailey: wait, why would you go to a brazilian restaurant?
[04:22] <jbailey> We should've gone to the other Brazilian place.
[04:22] <infinity> dilinger : Closing dinner.
[04:22] <jbailey> dilinger: I go to the one a couple blocks from here for drinks.
[04:23] <jbailey> dilinger: But that one was ...
[04:23] <infinity> dilinger : Not jbailey's choice of venue. :)
[04:23] <jbailey> What he said.
[04:23] <dilinger> heh
[04:23] <infinity> The food was good, the entertainment was... Lacking.
[04:23] <jbailey> infinity: All told, had they not given me the wrong plate, it would've been fiine.
[04:23] <infinity> jbailey : Yeah, that was a bit odd, especially after he'd explained to you why you were getting a different colour plate..
[04:24] <jbailey> infinity: Yup.  The mushrooms and such were actually decently done.
[04:24] <infinity> jbailey : They looked good.
[04:24] <infinity> But I was too preoccupied with MEAT to bother asking for any.
[04:24] <jbailey> Dude.
[04:24] <jbailey> Clearly.
[04:24] <jbailey> They were in a bowl in front of you. =)
[04:25] <infinity> MEAT.
[04:25] <jbailey> Along with rice and leaves.
[04:25] <infinity> BLIND RAGE.    Austria, hm?  Is there reasonably vegan food there?
[04:27] <zul> there are several in ottawa i walked pass one in the freezing snow
[04:27] <jbailey> zul: I'm going to one for lunch on Saturday if you'd like to join me. =)
[04:27] <zul> cant...having people over tomorrow have to clean the house with my wifey
[04:28] <jbailey> Ah well, and we're leaving early Sunday morning.
[04:28] <jbailey> I think.
[04:28] <jbailey> Dunno for sure.
[04:28] <zul> what are you doing in ottawa?
[04:28] <jbailey> zul: Housewarming on Saturday night.
[04:29] <jbailey> So I'm coming up early to get my hair done.
[04:29] <zul> ah
[04:30] <zul> well bring a snow shovel
[04:30] <makx> jbailey: well french food is much better.. ;)
[04:30] <makx> austrian have nice sweet stuff
[04:30] <jbailey> zul: It's -12 here this morning with a wind chill of -22.  We got 10cm of snow in the city yesterday.  Is it truly any worse there?
[04:30] <jbailey> makx: French food is decidely similar to braziliian, dude.
[04:34] <infinity> (For the record, I prefer french food, and I have hideously hiuge credit card reciepts from Zofia's birthday to prove it)
[04:34] <infinity> huge, too.
[04:34] <jbailey> infinity: I did try to convince several people that the french word for hamburger is "grenouille"
[04:35] <infinity> No one in their right mind would ever take your advice as a tour guide at face value anyway.
[04:36] <jbailey> Hmm?  I dont' think I got anyone horribly lost, and people generally seemed to enjoy the food I took them to.
[04:37] <infinity> jbailey : Okay, /I/ would never take your advice at face value, but maybe I'm the only person you feel the urge to be sarcastic and cruel to at every turn. ;P
[04:38] <jbailey> Well..  It's because you're *there*
[04:38] <dilinger> great
[04:38] <dilinger> i have this mental image of infinity w/ a brazilian wax in my head now
[04:38] <infinity> I wonder if perhaps we should be on topic again.
[04:39] <dilinger> fabbione: poke
[04:39] <infinity> dilinger : Dude, no.  I'm not quite as hairry as you, but I'm hairry enough that I'd probably pass out from the procedure.
[04:40] <dilinger> infinity: i'm only 1/4 hairy, now.  had to shave my chest for halloween :p
[04:40] <zul> jbailey: its a bit warmer
[04:40] <zul> but the same snowfall
[04:40] <infinity> dilinger : !
[04:41] <jbailey> Ouch, stubble.
[04:41] <dilinger> infinity: i have pictures, if you think you can stomach it ;p
[04:41] <jbailey> Of the shaving or of the hallowe'en costume?
[04:41] <dilinger> the costume
[04:41] <jbailey> Cool, I'd love to see them. =)
[04:41] <infinity> Totally, pony up.
[04:42] <dilinger> http://squishy.cc/pics/2005_halloween/
[04:42] <dilinger> 004_Will_Crossdress_For_Security_Fixes.jpg
[04:42] <jbailey> With a pink frilly thong?
[04:43] <dilinger> oh yea
[04:43] <dilinger> hehe, poor ari
[04:43] <dilinger> that's him w/ the thong around his neck
[04:44] <jbailey> Wherever did you find one that would fit?
[04:44] <jbailey> Newyork has shops for everything. =)
[04:45] <dilinger> i stole the entire outfit from my gf and her roommates
[04:45] <dilinger> and i cut the thong
[04:45] <dilinger> there was no way i was gonna wear it as-is :p
[04:47] <infinity> I have no words.
[04:47] <infinity> Maybe you should have shaved your hands too. ;)
[04:48] <dilinger> it took long enough to do the chest
[04:50] <jbailey> infinity: Nah, it's always funny to see a girl with harry palms ;)
[04:53] <dilinger> i think that was my 2nd best costume.  my costume from 2 years ago was better
[04:54] <infinity> Nazi synchronised swimmer with downe's syndrome... On speed?
[04:56] <dilinger> close.  edward scissorhands.  http://squishy.cc/pics/2003_halloween/P9061708.JPG
[04:57] <infinity> It's all your fault.
[04:58] <jbailey> dilinger: Nice costume, though.
[04:59] <dilinger> thanks
[05:23] <zul> did i mention how much i hate sybase
[06:06] <lamont-away> BenC: -4.5 FTBFS on hppa because gcc-3.4-hppa64 and the kernel source don't agree on the name of the 64-bit cross compiler
[06:07] <BenC> FTBFS everywhere besides i386 because of the rtl8187 driver defining some stupid floating point functions
[06:07] <BenC> do you have a patch for the compiler problem?
[06:07] <lamont-away> BenC: and it appears to be a toolchain issue, not the kernel
[06:07] <BenC> ok, so I can just leave it up to you? :)
[06:11] <lamont-away> BenC: actually, find where the hppa arch specific stuff tweaks the compiler name for 64 bit... and change it to hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc
[06:12] <lamont-away> arch/parisc/Makefile
[06:12] <lamont-away> ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
[06:12] <lamont-away> CROSS_COMPILE   := hppa64-linux-
[06:12] <lamont-away> patch needs to change that to
[06:12] <lamont-away> CROSS_COMPILE   := hppa64-linux-gnu
[06:12] <BenC> it's an error
[06:12] <BenC> it checked for -gnu and then doesn't use it :)
[06:12] <BenC> oh no, wait, it does
[06:13] <lamont-away> hrm... the other CROSS_COMPILE assignment there should do likewise.
[06:13] <lamont-away> parisc makefile is overriding for 64-bit stuff
[06:14] <BenC> it checks for /usr/bin/hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc, shouldn't that exist?
[06:14] <lamont-away> that does exist
[06:14] <lamont-away> but then the makefile forces it to hppa64-linux-gcc, and dies./
[06:14] <BenC> hmm
[06:17] <BenC> I don't see where it forces it to CROSS_COMPILE=hppa64-linux- though
[06:17] <BenC> btw, my i2k is running, and I should have the A500 up later today
[06:24] <BenC> 2.6.12 has it hardcoded to hppa64-linux-
[06:24] <BenC> and the hppa_cross dpatch made it hppa64-linux-gnu-
[06:24] <BenC> but I'm not sure why the logic in 2.6.15 doesn't work
[06:26] <BenC>  can you run that shell snippet from the Makefile and see if it works?
[07:32] <jbailey> BenC: Do you happen to know off hand if gcc-3.4's __thread and TLS stuff works for sparc64?  It looks like it supports __thread, and the new binutils appears to support TLS.
[07:32] <jbailey> BenC: I'm doing a build now with the fix to glibc to support it and trying nptl.
[07:38] <fabbione> dilinger: pong
[07:47] <CataEnry> bye all :)
[07:49] <zul> oh that sucks my miyagi is dead
[07:51] <fabbione> miyagi?
[07:52] <zul> The japanese guy from the karate kid
[07:52] <fabbione> yeah
[07:52] <fabbione> i remember the name
[07:52] <fabbione> but you said "my"
[07:52] <fabbione> like if it is a tamagochi
[07:52] <fabbione> or something
[07:53] <zul> er...my miyagi
[07:53] <zul> fuck...
[07:53] <zul> mr miyagi
[07:53] <fabbione> ah
[07:53] <fabbione> ok
[09:19] <zul> gah...freenode sucketh
[10:54] <zul> later
[11:53] <ispiked> mjg59: this time it didn't seem to do it (disable the stick and buttons below it).


[09:31] <duflu_> Hang on a sec, be in hangout in a minute
[10:46] <duflu_> Saviq: That heap corruption bug I don't think I'll try to push for 0.8.1. It's unclear if it's really resolved or if we're getting false duplicates from another bug with the same Stacktrace signature confusing errors.ubuntu.com
[10:46] <Saviq> duflu, ack
[10:46] <duflu> Once we've proven the problem is gone in devices running 0.10 it will be clear
[10:48] <duflu> Saviq: Hmm, although if we pushed the fix for the first one to 0.8.1 that might be enough. Cos the second similar crash only got introduced in 0.9
[10:48]  * duflu proposes for someone else to decide
[10:48] <Saviq> duflu, 0.8.1 is already up for QA validation
[10:49] <duflu> Saviq: Easy decision then. Which rev?
[10:50] <Saviq> ok this is going to be mayhem
[10:50] <Saviq> I knew we should not have released lp:mir/0.8 into rtm :|
[10:50] <Saviq> duflu, 1965 + lp:~mir-team/mir/backport-1355173.trust-prompt-suspend
[10:51] <duflu> Saviq: Kay. That's landed at r1966 BTW
[10:51] <Saviq> yeah, that's why I don't know what will happen
[10:51] <Saviq> because the train merged it as a different rev
[10:51] <Saviq> most probably conflicts will happen
[10:51] <duflu> Saviq: I doubt it's a problem. Nothing else has landed on that branch in months
[10:52] <Saviq> duflu, probably not a *problem*, but the train will complain anyway, as it will try to push 1965 + backport that it merged itself to lp:mir/0.8
[10:52] <Saviq> and I expect it will fail to do so due to the new commit on top
[10:52] <Saviq> although maybe it will reconcile first, we'll see
[10:53] <Saviq> but that's exactly why I wanted to have a separate branch for releases, one that no one pushes to manually
[10:54] <duflu> Saviq: RTM packaging is a different branch: lp:~mir-team/mir/14.09
[10:55] <duflu> Although I fully expect the train madness to ignore that fact :)
[10:55] <duflu> Merging will happen cleanly either way. Bzr knows when the same source branch already landed.
[10:56] <Saviq> duflu, well, camako seems to not have known about the 14.09 branch, so the MP that is in the train is the above backport
[10:56] <duflu> Saviq: Never mind. They both end up in sync later. We can clarify configs another day
[10:56] <Saviq> duflu, it's not what the train ignores, really, it's rather that the MP was against lp:mir/0.8 and not the rtm branch
[10:56] <Saviq> duflu, yup
[10:57]  * duflu wishes more people remembered the difference between upstream and distro branches
[10:57] <duflu> More robots I mean?
[14:18] <alan_g> alf: have you asked CI eng to look at the repeated failures on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-vivid-amd64-autolanding/?
[14:19] <alf> alan_g: no
[14:20] <alan_g> I've just asked
[14:20] <alf> alan_g: thanks, just joined channel
[14:42]  * kdub wishes android had thought out their multimonitor stuff better
[14:53]  * alan_g wishes Mir had thought out their multimonitor stuff better
[14:56]  * davmor2 wishes anyone had thought about multimonitor stuff full stop
[14:57] <kdub> :)
[14:58]  * anpok_ wishes we infinite display space and no need for multiple monitors
[15:00] <davmor2> anpok_: that's easy buy one of these http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/televisions/curved-tvs/UE78HU8500TXXU and use it as a monitor


[00:10] <smoser> thumper, pong.
[00:31] <Midion__> If adding a user to a certain database in mysql is this the proper command? GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON DATABASENAME . * TO 'DATABASEUSERNAME'@'localhost';
[00:31] <Midion__> I want to user to have access to the database and all types inside the database.
[00:32] <Midion__> tables inside the database i mean.
[02:08] <MavKen> I am running 12.04 on my server... Should I run dist-upgrade?  I am getting... The following packages have been kept back:
[02:08] <MavKen>   linux-headers-generic-lts-raring linux-image-generic-lts-raring
[02:12] <Midion__> ok all errors on my server are one but this: [Thu Mar 13 22:10:10 2014] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart [Thu Mar 13 22:10:10 2014] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.10-1ubuntu3.10 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operati
[02:40] <basketball> can i set up a old 2002 computer as a server
[02:41] <MavKen> yep
[02:41] <MavKen> common use for an old machine
[02:42] <MavKen> clean install of ubuntu server and you could have a decent setup basketball
[02:42] <basketball> can i set up a old 2002 computer as a server
[02:42] <basketball> whoops
[02:42] <basketball> MavKen,  is it easy to set up and will it be slow
[02:42] <sarnold> MavKen: I suggest apt-get -u dist-upgrade -- see which packages apt wants to delete, -then- decide if you want to do the upgrade...
[02:43] <sarnold> Midion__: that message may just be for log rotation or something similar. if you see it roughly daily that's not a big deal.
[02:43] <basketball> what version should i use 12.04 or 13.10
[02:44] <sarnold> basketball: probably 12.04 LTS; it's still supported for another three years. 13.10 support will end in another three months or so, at which point you'll be forced to upgrade to 14.04 LTS.
[02:44] <MavKen> basketball, how much RAM do you have?
[02:44] <basketball> like 80 mb
[02:44] <sarnold> basketball: while we all expect 14.04 LTS to be good, it'd be nice if you could upgrade to it on your schedule rather than rushed into it. :)
[02:44] <basketball> if not less
[02:45] <MavKen> if you are just learning... use 13.10 because the virtual hosts are like 14.04 will be... it is different than 12.04...subtle but different
[02:45] <MavKen> you need at least 512mb RAM... ideally 1GB
[02:46] <basketball> i have 240 mb
[02:46] <MavKen> i have been running 13.10 on my production server, I have 12 clients hosted on it.
[02:46] <basketball> MavKen,  can i set it up like dropbox and if i only have 240 mb will it still work
[02:46] <sarnold> while we were able to make good use of a 80 megabyte machine back in 2002 I wonder about today's software
[02:47] <MavKen> no
[02:47] <basketball> no?
[02:48] <MavKen> how can you only have that much ram on a 2002 era computer?
[02:48] <MavKen> you sure you are not talking about the cache?
[02:48] <basketball> it says memory 240 mb
[02:48] <MavKen> where?
[02:49] <MavKen> sarnold, thanks for that info
[02:49] <sarnold> MavKen: did you find out what was going to be uninstalled?
[02:50] <MavKen> I have not run it yet... i ran upgrade to get a few things...will ssh back in shortly and try that
[02:50] <MavKen> ahh... nothing removed...
[02:50] <MavKen> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:50] <MavKen>   linux-headers-3.8.0-37 linux-headers-3.8.0-37-generic
[02:50] <MavKen>   linux-image-3.8.0-37-generic
[02:50] <MavKen> The following packages will be upgraded:
[02:50] <MavKen>   linux-headers-generic-lts-raring linux-image-generic-lts-raring
[02:50] <MavKen> 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:51] <sarnold> 240 is more like it, you might not get a nice and purty owncloud experience but running svn over apache ought to get you a tolerable web-dev experience.. sftp will of course just be awesome
[02:51] <sarnold> MavKen: yeah you probably do want new kernels :) new kernels come iwth security fixes
[02:53] <MavKen> yeah... what is the best command to use when rebooting production server and is it best practice to reboot on occasion?
[02:55] <sarnold> MavKen: you'll have to gauge the severity of things fixed in the kernel vs your local users and sometimes potential for remote exploits when deciding when to reboot
[02:55] <sarnold> dinner time ;) have fun
[03:11] <basketball> MavKen,  the bios says 256 memory
[03:12] <MavKen> you can buy memory very cheap... 1GB is $20 at Fry's
[03:14] <basketball> MavKen,  so it wont work with only 256
[03:14] <MavKen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[03:15] <MavKen> it says it will
[03:15] <MavKen> ubuntu-server not ubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <Midion__> Can I uninstall phpmyadmin using the following?  sudo apt-get purge phpmyadmin  Will this mess anything up if I do?
[03:21] <Midion__> I will just do everything cli.
[03:22] <Midion__> I just dont want to mess anything up trying to uninstall it.
[03:43] <basketball> sarnold,  can you run ubuntu server without keyboard mouse or monitor just the computer
[03:47] <basketball> I installed ubuntu server on a usb and when i boot i get Non-System disk or disk error
[03:53] <arrith> basketball: make sure you can boot to usb
[03:53] <basketball> ok brb trying
[03:53] <arrith> Midion__: that might work, it won't be guaranteed to get rid of everything possibly, since phpmyadmin might put things in odd places
[03:53] <arrith> basketball: its in the bios
[03:56] <basketball> yes it is bootable
[03:58] <basketball> arlen,
[03:59] <arrith> basketball: do you still get the error?
[03:59] <arrith> basketball: you might not have usb high enough in your boot order in your bios
[03:59] <basketball> I tested it on this laptop
[03:59] <basketball> boot order usb is #1
[04:00] <basketball> I am preforming a hard drive check it is a 60%
[04:01] <arrith> ok
[04:01] <arrith> basketball: are you installing ubuntu server on the laptop or another computer?
[04:01] <Midion__> arrith: ok thanks
[04:01] <basketball> another computer
[04:01] <arrith> Midion__: doing a reinstall might be better. but only do that i guess if you run into issues
[04:02] <arrith> basketball: you should check in that other computer's bios if usb is set higher than hard drive, in boot order
[04:02] <basketball> arrith,  that is what i did check
[04:02] <basketball> i am talking on laptop
[04:04] <arrith> basketball: i'm not sure i understand, what do you want to do with the laptop?
[04:04] <basketball> arrith,  nothing
[04:04] <basketball> arrith,  i am installing it on desktop
[04:05] <Midion__> I ran sudo apt-get purge phpmyadmin and then sudo apt-get autoremove. I think its all gone now.
[04:05] <arrith> basketball: ok. so you checked the desktop bios?
[04:05] <basketball> yes
[04:06] <arrith> Midion__: yeah autoremove is good. alright
[04:06] <arrith> basketball: and you get the error on the desktop?
[04:06] <basketball> and it is preforming a hard drive check
[04:06] <basketball> and yes
[04:06] <arrith> basketball: you might have to install with a CD
[04:07] <basketball> i cant as it doesnt reconize dvds and i dont have cd with enough space
[04:07] <arrith> ah
[04:08] <arrith> basketball: have you booted to usb on anything before on that desktop?
[04:09] <basketball> no my granddad gave it to me today
[04:09] <basketball> no my granddad gave it to me today
[04:10] <basketball> the hard drive check is at 8-%
[04:10] <basketball> 80
[04:15] <basketball> arrith,  what next?
[04:16] <basketball> should i reinstall xp then try to install ubuntu server
[04:24] <sarnold> sigh I know we've got some server images around here somewhere that will fit on a cd..
[04:25] <sarnold> basketball: ah, finally found it. this might be the thing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:28] <basketball> sarnold,  i am trying a xp disk and that works
[04:37] <Midion__> That was a version of windows that I did like.
[04:37] <sarnold> heh, not me, I thought it looked like cartoonland
[04:38] <sarnold> win2k was the last one I thought was decent :)
[04:41] <basketball> windows is poop go ubuntu]
[04:42] <Midion__> Just thinkin about wondows 8.1 stresses me out. lol
[04:44] <basketball> i hate windows 8
[04:48] <arrith> basketball: you want to dual boot?
[04:48] <basketball> nope just server
[04:49] <arrith> basketball: you can just turn it off when it does a hdd check like that, that's a windows thing. whenever linux checks it's called 'fsck' (stands for "filesystem check")
[04:50] <basketball> I am installing xp so that it will get rid of that error then i will erase xp and install ubuntu server
[04:50] <arrith> basketball: ok so when you try to boot with the usb inserted, do you see any messages about "boot list"?
[04:50] <basketball> no
[04:50] <arrith> basketball: that error is from the contents of the hdd, since you're going to be just having ubuntu on the hdd, it doesn't matter if there's an error
[04:51] <arrith> basketball: do you press f12 to get into the bios on the desktop?
[04:51] <basketball> i am installing xp i cant check
[04:52] <arrith> basketball: since you don't want xp, you can hold the power button until it turns off
[04:52] <arrith> basketball: any errors on it now are from the old windows
[04:52] <arrith> there's this one cd that i remember
[04:54] <arrith> i think i found it
[04:57] <arrith> http://download.plop.at/files/ploplinux/4.2.2/ploplinux-4.2.2/ploplinux-4.2.2.iso
[04:57] <arrith> from http://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/download.html
[04:57] <arrith> basketball: when you boot that iso it will give you a menu with "usb" as one of the options. use the arrow keys to select "usb" then hit enter
[04:57] <arrith> you can use that to install ubuntu server from usb
[04:58] <arrith> the iso is about 80 megabytes
[05:38] <basketball> arrith,  and sarnold  the link worked and it is installing
[05:38] <arrith> basketball: did you use the plop iso?
[05:38] <basketball> now is there a way to have the server run without a monitor, keyboard, or mouse
[05:38] <arrith> or minimal
[05:38] <basketball> no i used the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:38] <arrith> ah
[05:39] <arrith> basketball: just don't install any desktop, and select "openssh server" during the install
[05:39] <arrith> then you can ssh in
[05:39] <basketball> you know how dropbox you can go to dropbox.com
[05:40] <basketball> can i do something like that with this where i can access my files anywhere
[05:42] <arrith> basketball: yes. there is dropbox for linux. but sparkleshare is better, in my opinion
[05:43] <basketball> no like my own server version
[05:43] <sarnold> basketball: the computer that runs my irc client is a little pandaboard with no monitor and no keyboard attached, it just has power and ethernet. :)
[05:44] <basketball> how can i put my files in the cloud
[05:44] <sarnold> basketball: some computers will fail to boot if they don't have a keyboard attached -- that stupid "Error! No Keyboard! Press f1 to continue!"
[05:46] <arrith> basketball: google sparkleshare and owncloud
[05:46] <arrith> basketball: also freedombox and mediagoblin
[05:47] <basketball> arrith,  i mean like have it on my own server instead of theirs
[05:47] <cfhowlett> !cloud|basketball,
[05:47] <arrith> basketball: sparkleshare is all local
[05:47] <arrith> basketball: read up on it already *hits with stick* :P
[05:49] <sarnold> and don't read about openstack, that's a waste of time on your machine :)
[05:51] <basketball> arrith,  how do i use sparkle share if i dont want a monitor
[05:51] <sarnold> very few things require a monitor
[05:51] <basketball> does sparkle share
[05:51] <arrith> basketball: you use your server just for file storage
[05:52] <arrith> basketball: server for sparkleshare does not
[05:52] <basketball> arrith,  yes that is what i want
[05:52] <basketball> it is still installing
[05:52] <arrith> basketball: google ubuntu sparkleshare server
[05:52] <sarnold> ouch, sparkleshare requires the mono runtime.. that might be a bit heavy on a twelve year old machine with little memory
[05:52] <arrith> read up on guides to set it up
[05:52] <arrith> sarnold: oh. might be
[05:52] <arrith> sarnold: eh if it's not running anything else
[05:53] <sarnold> arrith: yeah, maybe. patience is a virtue anyway :)
[05:53] <basketball> sarnold,  what else can i run
[05:53] <sarnold> basketball: dunno, I've always been content with scp :)
[05:53] <arrith> rsync heh
[05:53] <basketball> scp?
[05:53] <sarnold> oh yeah, rsync is bloody awesome :)
[05:53] <basketball> hey i am at software selection what do i do
[05:54] <arrith> btw funfact, sparkleshare requires nothing on a server besides ssh and rstnc
[05:54] <arrith> sarnold: so the clint would do the mono stuff
[05:54] <sarnold> arrith: oh? is there a different package than sparkleshare that does the server-side work?
[05:54] <arrith> basketball: openssh server, but make sure no desktop environmnt
[05:54] <sarnold> arrith: wait. is there a server-side software? :)
[05:54] <arrith> sarnold: no, it's just supposed to work with a ssh account
[05:55] <arrith> sarnold: there isn't :)
[05:55] <sarnold> arrith: perfect for basketball :)
[05:55] <arrith> basketball: read up on the ubuntu server guide
[05:55] <basketball> if i pressed enter does that install it
[05:55] <basketball> do you have a specific link
[05:56] <arrith> basketball: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[05:57] <arrith> basketball: space toggkes, enter goes to the next screen. at least in the debian installer
[05:57] <basketball> shoot then i didnt install openshh
[05:59] <sarnold> just be sure to run apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client  some time before rebooting then :)
[06:00] <arrith> basketball: you can run taskel at any time
[06:00] <arrith> basketball: sudo tasksel
[06:00] <arrith> you can also go back in the installation menu, but that's not necessary
[06:00] <basketball> it is still installing i cant run anything
[06:01] <sarnold> basketball: that's fine, no hurry.
[06:02] <basketball> I think the hardest thing i have ever done is replace hardrive on this thing
[06:02] <cwiggs> Can anyone share some thoughts on running my server off of raid1 thumbdrives?
[06:02] <cwiggs> I was thinking of running ubuntu off of two thumbdrives and then use my 2 1tb drives for data?
[06:03] <sarnold> cwiggs: probably pretty poor speed reading / writing to those things but I suppose you're prepared for that if you're asking :) hehe
[06:03] <cwiggs> Worse than a 3.0gb sata hdd?
[06:03] <basketball> do i install grub boot loader to the maSTER BOOT RECORD
[06:03] <cwiggs> grub replaces the MBR
[06:03] <sarnold> cwiggs: the ones I've had tended to do 15 MB/s
[06:04] <cwiggs> sarnold: interesting, i figured they'd be faster since they are SSDs
[06:04] <sarnold> basketball: I think so, yes
[06:04] <sarnold> cwiggs: oh, actual SSDs hooked up over usb?
[06:05] <cwiggs> no, thumbdrives, usb drives, jumpdrives, etc.  but they are SSD right?  just very small ones?
[06:05] <cwiggs> they aren't magnetic drives, thats for sure
[06:05] <basketball> do i set time to UTC
[06:05] <cwiggs> basketball: yes
[06:05] <sarnold> cwiggs: similar but not nearly the same speed :) the ssd in my laptop gets something like 500 MB/s ..
[06:06] <cwiggs> sarnold: i just figured the HDD would be the slowest, then thumbdrives, then SSDs
[06:07] <sarnold> cwiggs: test yours, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdwhatever bs=16k count=1000 conv=fsync
[06:07] <basketball> sarnold,  it is booting now what
[06:07] <sarnold> basketball: log in, install openssh-server and openssh-client
[06:07] <cwiggs> sarnold: i haven't bought the thumbdrives yet, i was just wondering what the benefits/downfalls would be
[06:07] <basketball> how do i make it auto boot to the server
[06:07] <arrith> cwiggs: usb 2.0 is slower than sata2
[06:08] <arrith> cwiggs: if you buy anything, buy like a 64 GB SSD to run your OS on
[06:08] <arrith> cwiggs: probably could get one for $50 or less
[06:08] <cwiggs> arrith: a 16gb usb drive is much cheaper than a 64gb ssd drive though, and i'd like to raid them.
[06:08] <sarnold> cwiggs: most thumbdrives are mighty slow. usb2 is painful. usb3 is pretty speedy but I think most 'thumb drive usb3' would top out at speeds roughly equal to 5400rpm drives, probably not yet to 7200 rpm drive speeds
[06:08] <sarnold> basketball: how do you mean? it'll boot right into ubuntu, right?
[06:09] <basketball> it waits on grub and i have to press enter
[06:09] <arrith> cwiggs: i would take a sata2 drive over a usb thumbdrive, hm raid 0 might help. but an ssd is so much better
[06:09] <arrith> sarnold: there are some pricey usb3.0 thumbdrives that are effectively tiny SSDs, they do a few hundred megs a second
[06:09] <sarnold> arrith: OOOO
[06:10] <cwiggs> arrith: I was actually thinking raid1, for redundency.  True, but i was trying to be cheap
[06:10] <sarnold> arrith: do tell more :)
[06:10] <arrith> sarnold: yeah it's sick
[06:10] <basketball> sarnold,  how do i install openshh client and server
[06:10] <sarnold> basketball: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[06:10] <arrith> sarnold: basically say on newegg, any usb3.0 usb drive should be around there
[06:10] <sarnold> basketball: probably the client is already installed but if not openssh-client for it
[06:10] <arrith> cwiggs: well for speed, which you're gonna need.
[06:10] <basketball> unable to loacate package
[06:10] <arrith> cwiggs: one thing, thumbdrives are definitely not meant to be used that way, as in booted off of and having OSes installed on them. i tried to do that for like a month and it was hell
[06:11] <arrith> basketball: you really need to read that server guide
[06:11] <arrith> basketball: also google tasksel
[06:11] <cwiggs> arrith: what happened? a lot of bitcoin miners were running off of usb drives
[06:11] <sarnold> arrith: wow! :)
[06:11] <sarnold> 200MB/s: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-usb-3-0-thumb-drive/
[06:11] <arrith> cwiggs: i forget the details but it was buggy and swapping was the worst thing ever. this was on a laptop though
[06:11] <sarnold> arrith: awesome, thanks for correcting that old bias :)
[06:11] <arrith> sarnold: yeahh check that out
[06:11] <arrith> sarnold: np. usb 3.0 is awesome
[06:11] <cwiggs> arrith: good to know, thanks
[06:12] <sarnold> basketball: sudo apt-get update -- try again?
[06:12] <arrith> i keep waiting for phones and routers to freakin come out with usb3.0
[06:12] <arrith> cwiggs: server might be different actually
[06:12] <basketball> i did run that
[06:12] <sarnold> cwiggs: haha, I take it back :) knock yourself out, that's bloody awesome :)
[06:12] <arrith> cwiggs: if they're usb3.0 i guess
[06:12] <cwiggs> not usb3.0 : (
[06:12] <arrith> ehh
[06:12] <arrith> i say buy it and try
[06:12] <arrith> then buy an SSD
[06:12] <arrith> :P
[06:12] <cwiggs> haha
[06:12] <basketball> got it
[06:12] <cwiggs> that would be nice
[06:13] <cwiggs> another question for you, if i have two 1tb drives, what is the best way to add them together to get 2tb?  my friend said to use Glusterfs so that i could always add more drives later
[06:13] <cwiggs> but i could use LVM or MooseFS?
[06:13] <sarnold> never heard of moosefs..
[06:13] <basketball> sarnold,  i installed it now what
[06:13] <sarnold> basketball: test it :) ssh localhost
[06:14] <cwiggs> http://www.moosefs.org/
[06:14] <cwiggs> it is pretty awesome
[06:14] <cwiggs> my understanding is GlusterFS is better
[06:14] <arrith> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211718
[06:15] <basketball> sarnold,  how do i access files from web browser on a windows pc and linux pc
[06:15] <arrith> cwiggs: that's crazy what
[06:15] <sarnold> heh, a pal who tried out glusterfs -hated- it with a passion. never seen him hate something so much
[06:15] <arrith> cwiggs: just lvm or mdadm, or if you want to get super fancy the best is zfsonlinux
[06:15] <cwiggs> sarnold: lol
[06:15] <sarnold> basketball: try owncloud. it might be too heavy for your machine, but worth a shot.
[06:15] <arrith> depends on if you want performance or redundancy kind of
[06:15] <cwiggs> i just want performance
[06:16] <sarnold> hrm, moosefs looks neat right up until "fuse"
[06:16] <cwiggs> just gonna hold media that i can always d/l again
[06:16] <arrith> basketball: sparkleshare might be better for what you want, but it's not from a browser
[06:16] <sarnold> I know fuse works well for a lot of folks but .. I'd hate to rely upon it for something I cared about.
[06:16] <basketball> i need to access it from school and home
[06:16] <arrith> cwiggs: do a big raid 0 then, you can always add drives to that then grow the fs. ext4 on software raid 0
[06:16] <arrith> cwiggs: reading up on zfsonlinux is good to do though
[06:16] <cwiggs> arrith: hmmm, i'll check out zfsonlinux
[06:16] <cwiggs> thanks
[06:17] <arrith> cwiggs: but yeah you can use standard mdadm for a raid0
[06:17] <cwiggs> arrith: there are so many options, it's a little overwhelming
[06:17] <cwiggs> makes me want to just keep the server how it is.
[06:17] <arrith> doesn't have many features
[06:18] <arrith> cwiggs: well like glusterfs and stuff, unless you want to learn about them, are only for people with like lots of servers
[06:18] <basketball> what is mysql and why do i need to set a passowrd
[06:18] <cwiggs> arrith: true, i started in a sysadmin type place about 6 months ago , so it wouldn't hurt to learn more
[06:18] <sarnold> zfsonlinux looks like awesome stuff, I intend to set up my own nas-server-of-doom using it Sometime Soon; but I wouldn't want to use ZoL on /, it just looks like a real hassle
[06:18] <cwiggs> mysql is used to store the username/password data for owncloud
[06:19] <sarnold> cwiggs: cripes, over-engineer much? :)
[06:19] <cwiggs> sarnold: haha, just a little
[06:19] <sarnold> don't get me wrong, I tend to think of mysql as a toy -- unfairly, but there it is -- a bloody username:hashed_password file would do the job fine for 99.9% of users though.
[06:20] <basketball> sarnold,  once this installs how do i add the files to it
[06:20] <sarnold> basketball: no idea :) never seen it before
[06:20] <basketball> the owncloud
[06:20] <sarnold> basketball: I hope it'll have a /usr/share/doc/owncloud/README that will give some hints though :)
[06:20] <cwiggs> Basketball: it's pretty easy
[06:21] <basketball> cwiggs,  can i put my desktop / server under the desk without it making noise
[06:21] <cwiggs> basketball: it's mostly web based, so you can use a web browser to go to [ip of owncloud server]/owncloud
[06:21] <cwiggs> basketball: i'm not sure what you mean?
[06:21] <cwiggs> basketball: it'll make just as much noise as a regular computer
[06:21] <basketball> like without a monitor keyboard and mouse
[06:21] <cwiggs> oh, yeah
[06:21] <cwiggs> you can run it headless
[06:21] <cwiggs> use ssh to work on it
[06:22] <basketball> can i add files from web browser
[06:22] <cwiggs> yep
[06:22] <cwiggs> e.g. go to <IP_ADDRESS>/owncloud
[06:22] <cwiggs> and it'll ask you login and then you can upload stuff to owncloud
[06:22] <cwiggs> owncloud is pretty sweet
[06:23] <basketball> is this the amount of noise the computer will normally make
[06:23] <cwiggs> what do you mean by noise?
[06:23] <basketball> it is making a lot of noise
[06:23] <cwiggs> is it screaming at you or something?
[06:23] <cwiggs> what kind of noise?
[06:23] <cwiggs> like the HDD spinning?
[06:24] <basketball> yeah
[06:24] <cwiggs> huh, it'll probably be like that a lot, maybe the HDD is going out?
[06:24] <cwiggs> my server doesn't sound louder than my desktop
[06:27] <basketball> You need to enter either an existing account or the administrator.
[06:27] <basketball> i am at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/owncloud/index.php
[06:27] <cwiggs> for owncloud?
[06:27] <cwiggs> didn't it ask you to create an account?
[06:27] <basketball> it just asked for password
[06:28] <cwiggs> that might be for the admin account
[06:28] <cwiggs> can you login ?
[06:28] <basketball> what is the user
[06:28] <cwiggs> try admin
[06:29] <basketball> nope
[06:29] <cwiggs> odd, when i setup mine it asked me to create a user
[06:30] <basketball> i dont have a gui
[06:30] <basketball> is that why
[06:30] <cwiggs> no
[06:30] <cwiggs> it asked me to create the user when i went to the webui
[06:30] <basketball> wha do i run
[06:31] <cwiggs> when you went to the webui for owncloud, that's when it asked me to create a user
[06:31] <basketball> how do i redo that
[06:31] <cwiggs> someone else more familar with SQL might be able to help you find the username
[06:31] <cwiggs> uh, i think you'd have to reinstall owncloud
[06:32] <basketball> ok uninstalling
[06:32] <cwiggs> good luck
[06:32] <cwiggs> it might kept the old sql db, i'm not sure
[06:32] <basketball> purge :)
[06:32] <cwiggs> haha, yep
[06:33] <cwiggs> if i remember i had a probably purging it
[06:33] <cwiggs> i just ended up reinstall linux since it was a virtual machine
[06:33] <basketball> nope that didnt work
[06:33] <basketball> it remebered the db
[06:33] <cwiggs> hm
[06:33] <sarnold> then apt-get purge mysql-server-5.5 or whatever it is
[06:34] <sarnold> i can never remember with mysql..
[06:35] <basketball> still didnt ask me for a password
[06:35] <cwiggs> it won't ask you for a password when installing it in the command line
[06:35] <cwiggs> but when you go to the webui it should
[06:35] <basketball> wait i see
[06:35] <cwiggs> it'll ask you to create a sql db too
[06:35] <basketball> what is the data base user
[06:36] <cwiggs> root?
[06:36] <basketball> db name
[06:36] <cwiggs> you are creating the db
[06:36] <cwiggs> so you can name it w/e
[06:36] <cwiggs> i just named mine owncloud
[06:38] <basketball> You need to enter either an existing account or the administrator.
[06:39] <basketball> people said to manually create db how do i do that'
[06:41] <raj__> How could I tell rsnapshot to keep initial(very first) backup forever?
[06:41] <cwiggs> basketball: i don't know enough about SQL to help you there
[06:42] <cwiggs> raj__: i don't think you can, that's isn't really what rsnapshot is for.
[06:42] <cwiggs> you might be able to set the backup interval really high
[06:42] <cwiggs> ?
[06:42] <basketball> arrith,
[06:42] <basketball> sarnold,
[06:43] <sarnold> raj__: maybe you could do something kinda gross, like running it once, then setting the "immutable" attribute on all those files and directories
[06:43] <raj__> cwiggs: what should I use for keeping the iniitial backup so that I (could always see the default confgurations) ?
[06:43] <basketball> sarnold,  do you know
[06:43] <arrith> lol uhm
[06:43] <arrith> i'd be following a guide personally
[06:43] <arrith> or the readme
[06:43] <cwiggs> raj__: default config for what?
[06:44] <sarnold> basketball: never used it, I suggest checking out /usr/share/doc/owncloud/README to see if there's a nice guide
[06:44] <raj__> i meant default configuration of all softwares & my system
[06:44] <cwiggs> raj__ do you edit that stuff regularly?
[06:45] <raj__> nope not regularly ..just rarely or once
[06:45] <cwiggs> hmmm
[06:45] <cwiggs> I might be the wrong guy to answer but i'd probably just use rsnapshot or use LVM to take snapshots
[06:45] <sarnold> laptop battery nearly dead, have a good night :)
[06:46] <cwiggs> with rsnapshot if nothing has changed it won't do anything
[06:46] <cwiggs> it just creates hardlinks
[06:46] <cwiggs> sarnold: night, thanks for the help
[06:46] <raj__> i know that... love it for that
[06:46] <sarnold> cwiggs: thanks for the education :)
[06:46] <cwiggs> np
[06:46] <raj__> just wanted to keep the initial backup as well
[06:47] <cwiggs> raj__: boot from live usb and rsync the whole drive?
[06:47] <cwiggs> or dd?
[06:47] <raj__> cwiggs: actually it is a remote server (vps)..
[06:48] <cwiggs> raj__: hmm, idk, but that is a good question
[06:48] <cwiggs> anyone else got any ideas for raj__?
[06:49] <raj__> may be I could just rsync to another remote server but I better like to keep a rsnapshot like "diff" kind of backup on the same server so i could just use/see it when needed
[06:50] <raj__> sarnold: and how do I set that immutable attribute ?
[06:52] <basketball> anyone know how to set up owncloud
[06:54] <arrith> basketball: you need to google up a guide on that
[06:55] <arrith> eh
[06:55] <arrith> raj__ needs to do some kind of snapshot
[06:55] <arrith> i suggest rsnapshot
[06:56] <arrith> sudo mkdir /backups and use rsnapshot, can even set it on cron, to put snapshots there
[06:56] <arrith> also etckeeper could be an option, if the concern is only configuration files
[06:57] <basketball> i cant find one
[07:00] <raj__> arrith: I am using rsnapshot, my only wish is to keep the initial first backup created by rsnapshot forever.. is that possible ?
[07:01] <arrith> raj__: yes, personally i just set my backup count really high. but you can manually copy it to the side
[07:01] <arrith> raj__: rsnapshot says the commands it does
[07:01] <arrith> raj__: i think it's like   "cp -al"
[07:03] <basketball> got it
[07:04] <basketball> how do i sync dropbox and this own cloid
[07:07] <raj__> arrith: may be I should add an yearly interval ? ..to keep year old backups ? increasing backup count may considerably increase space requirements...!?
[07:08] <arrith> basketball: probably rsync and cron. i'd use sparkleshare myself
[07:08] <arrith> raj__: hm that's an idea. i forget how it does rotation but keeping a backup from a year ago is a good idea
[07:08] <arrith> er snapshot
[07:08] <arrith> not a backup
[07:10] <raj__> arrith: "snapshot not a backup"- rsnapshot can just create backups ? did you mean to suggest a snapshot other than a backup  by  rsnapshot?
[07:11] <arrith> raj__: technically a backup has certain requirements. different media, offline, possibly at a remote location
[07:11] <arrith> just being pedantic heh
[07:11] <basketball> why does my computer need keyboard plugged in
[07:12] <arrith> basketball: if you do tasksel and install ssh server you can remotely login
[07:12] <raj__> okkay.. got that.. you call it snapshot as I am keeping it on same server right.. or does not fully meet requirements to be called "backup".. right
[07:12] <arrith> raj__: yep
[07:12] <arrith> raj__: or if you want just do one rsnapshot then do a "cp -al" of it to keep it around
[07:13] <basketball> arrith,  the computer still needs to be on for the own cloud
[07:13] <arrith> cp - al daily.0 keepforever
[07:13] <arrith> basketball: yeah you have to leave the server on
[07:15] <basketball> how do i upload more than 512 mb at a time
[07:16] <raj__> arrith: is this is for one time snapshot that will be kept forever ?
[07:16] <arrith> raj__: yeah. if it's not named the way rsnapshot named it, it won't know about it and won't delete it
[07:20] <raj__> arrith: thanks.. the last clarification.. if I get this correct, this needs to be run after rsnapshot has created my first backup named "daily.0" & this will actually create a hardlink so that this new snaphot folder is never deleted by rnsapshot while rotating/deleting old backups
[07:22] <arrith> raj__: yeah. you need to make sure that the "cp" that you run creates hardlinks though, so it saves space
[07:22] <arrith> i think "cp -al" but i'm not totally sure
[07:23] <raj__> "ln" could also be used to create harlink...
[07:23] <sarnold> raj__: chattr
[07:29] <basketball> arrith,  is there a way to make the url easier
[07:30] <arrith> basketball: which url?
[07:31] <arrith> raj__: well, recursively for a huge directory tree?
[07:31] <arrith> can't hardlink dirs :P
[07:40] <raj__> arrith: I attempted & got the error.. :) thanks your solutions (cp -al) works though.. it created a directory of hardlinked files, I think this infact could be used to 'keep forever' snapshots of some specific times..
[07:42] <arrith> raj__: haha. yeah, ln only for some stuff
[07:42] <raj__> the good thing is that rsnapshot keeps each backup as if it is a full backup so this solution is working for us.. else it wouldn't be possible
[07:43] <arrith> raj__: snapshot*
[07:43] <arrith> raj__: google   backup 3 2 1 rule
[07:43] <raj__> yes *snapshot*
[07:43] <arrith> heard about this 321 rule recently and it's pretty nice
[07:44] <raj__> hmm
[08:06] <jamespage> adam_g, I'll look today
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:25] <freakynl> Hi, our webserver was running an older 12.04 release with the 3.2 kernel. Just installed linux-generic-lts-saucy but now there's errors on vmblock.ko building (part of the dkms package of open-vm-tools) - anyone know how to build it?
[10:32] <arrith> freakynl: http://paste.ubuntu.com the errors
[10:43] <jamespage> sarnold, fyi hopefully we'll have a 1.18.0 release of juju-core today or next week
[10:43] <jamespage> sarnold, just in case you are mid review of 1.17.4
[10:44] <jamespage> sarnold, it should not change hugely but if there is anything coming out of the MIR review, then we can feed that back upstream for fixing
[11:24] <freakynl> arrith: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7089575/
[11:24] <freakynl> it also fails on a 'natively' installed 12.04.4 version though with the same error (ie ubuntu server that came with 3.11 out of box)
[11:25] <freakynl> several other modules do exist, like vmw_balloon.ko
[11:33] <arrith> freakynl: that's from the open-vm-tools in the repos?
[11:37] <mardraum> freakynl: 12.04.4 with 3.11 out of the box?
[12:10] <freakynl> arrith: yep
[12:11] <freakynl> mardraum: doesn't matter, gives the same error - but the box it concerns comes from 12.04.0 or 12.04.1
[12:12] <arrith> freakynl: that might be a real-live bug
[12:13] <arrith> freakynl: checking for bug reports in the ubuntu bugtracker for that package would be good. also looking into upstream and how they handle bugs in distro packages
[12:17] <freakynl> if the version number is any indication it's no wonder :) seems to come from 2011
[12:18] <arrith> freakynl: that might be. you might have to grab an upstream release. hopefully they have a repo and/or debs
[12:23] <raj__> do I need to install anything to get the logs written in my logfiles ? cannot see anything in 12.04 !
[12:25] <arrith> raj__: logs of what?
[12:26] <freakynl> raj__: /var/log/syslog ubuntu doesn't seem to use messages
[12:26] <raj__> iptables logs
[12:27] <arrith> iptables specifically has to be told to LOG for one thing, and uhm, yeah that should be in syslog. there's also like .allow and .deny files somewhere
[12:28] <freakynl> raj__: iptables -L -v -n
[12:28] <freakynl> see if anything has LOG as target
[12:28] <raj__> arrith: I've set iptables rule to log, but they dont get written unless i install rsyslog, sysklog or syslog-ng
[12:29] <freakynl> raj__: all ubuntu installs I have by default came with rsyslogd
[12:29] <raj__> once installed they start to get logged
[12:30] <freakynl> did you remove it?
[12:31] <raj__> freakynl: not on my 12.04 that i got from my webhost.. i didn't remove .. anyway.. is it neccessary even if i dont do remote logging or anything complex with logs ?
[12:31] <freakynl> yes kernel doesn't write to log files - what else would you expect to do that?
[12:32] <raj__> i thought rsyslog was required for remote logging or other complex log management tasks
[12:32] <freakynl> it can send logs to remote, so can most others like syslog-ng
[12:33] <raj__> can  sysklogd be  also used for remote logging ?
[12:33] <raj__> i cant use rsyslog due to some limitations
[12:36] <raj__> freakyn: i have no idea what these logging daemons are capable of besides, collecting & writing logs from running services.. could you some idea about other capabilities of them ?
[12:36] <arrith> raj__: their manpages will go into that
[12:36] <raj__> like one is remote logging..
[12:36] <arrith> http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[15:21] <basketball> arrith,  the one to get to own  cloud
[16:07] <basketball> arrith,  is there a way to make the url easier
[16:13] <jamespage> Daviey, if you are around - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer/+bug/1292579
[16:13] <jamespage> could do with a release team ack - multiple teams sprinting on testing icehouse right now :-)
[16:13] <jamespage> urgh - wrong channel technically
[16:24] <Daviey> jamespage: done.
[16:24] <jamespage> Daviey, ta
[16:25] <Daviey> jamespage: xhannel doesnt matter too muxh imo. -releaae ia subacribed.
[16:28] <pmatulis3> jamespage: re ubuntu & ceph, it is strange that our supported combination is 'dumpling on precise' (inktank only supports this) yet we need to go to the upstream repo to get dumpling.  i imagine this will be the same for 'firefly on trusty'
[16:29] <jamespage> pmatulis3, sorry - not sure I understand
[16:30] <jamespage> oh - I see
[16:30] <pmatulis3> jamespage: well, dumpling is not available on precise, unless i use the cloud archive i think
[16:30] <jamespage> pmatulis3, ceph dumpling is avaliable in the Havana cloud archive for Ubuntu 12.04
[16:31] <jamespage> pmatulis3, however firefly will be the release version on trusty - no cloud archive required.
[16:31] <RoyK> what is dumpling?
[16:31] <jamespage> RoyK, its a type of squid and also the codename for the 0.67 release of ceph
[16:31] <jamespage> dumpling, emperor, firefly, giant, hammer....
[16:32] <pmatulis3> jamespage: really?  i heard that inktank will not consider firefly stable on trusty until the first or maybe second point release
[16:32] <jamespage> RoyK, like Ubuntu but they started at 'A'
[16:32] <pmatulis3> jamespage: but good :)
[16:32] <jamespage> pmatulis3, well Sage and Neil failed to mention that in the vUDS session we had this week
[16:32] <Daviey> pmatulis3: where did you hear that?
[16:32] <basketball> how do i find the graphics and the ram amount
[16:34] <pmatulis3> Daviey: i asked inktank, but maybe the person was not 100% knowledgeable
[16:34] <pmatulis3> let's go with the vUDS session
[17:22] <jamespage> Daviey, sorry - I cocked up - python-ipaddr is not in main
[17:22] <jamespage> I should have spotted that :-)
[17:40] <Daviey> jamespage, as should i :)
[17:45] <jamespage> Daviey, I raised an MIR
[17:46] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-ipaddr/+bug/1292629
[18:14] <basketball> arrith, and sarnold  how do i ssh into the server
[18:16] <sarnold> basketball: ssh hostname   or ssh ip address
[18:16] <basketball> how do i know the host name
[18:16] <bekks> basketball "or".
[18:16] <sarnold> basketball: depends how you set up nameservice in your network
[18:17] <sarnold> jamespage: ooh! excellent news :) thanks
[18:18] <basketball> got it
[18:18] <bekks> jamespage: What does "MIR" stand for in the context of launchpad?
[18:18] <jamespage> bekks, Main Inclusion Request
[18:18] <bekks> Ah, thanks :)
[18:18] <jamespage> its the process packages follow for entering Ubuntu main
[18:18] <basketball> how do i change the max upload at a time
[18:19] <jamespage> sarnold, yeah - looking at 1.17.5 now; however the juju-mongodb bits got reverted as it was buggy - it should make 1.18.0
[18:19] <jamespage> (juju not juju-mongodb)
[18:19] <bekks> basketball: Whats does "the max upload at a time" mean? In which context?
[18:20] <byprdct> hey guys how can I add a new user to another users public folder for sftp access?
[18:20] <sarnold> jamespage: it'd be nice to get all the work done for the 1.17 timeframe into trusty, I've been impressed by how much the juju team gets accomplished :)
[18:21] <sarnold> byprdct: the 'easy' way is to create a new group for both your users, set the group owner of the directory in question to the new group, and make sure it has group read, execute, and perhaps write if you want them both to use it
[18:22] <basketball> owncloud
[18:22] <sarnold> byprdct: you can also use the posix-ish acls (man setfacl) to do the job, but that may require new mount options for your filesystem
[18:22] <byprdct> thanks sarnold think I will stick with the easy route :)
[18:22] <jamespage> sarnold, well if they don't pop a 1.18 release before final freeze, I'll have to revert to 1.16.x
[18:23] <byprdct> so create a group called sftp and add me (root) as group owner and them (somename) with read, execute and write for only the public folder?
[18:26] <sarnold> byprdct: well, you'd be 'equal' co-members of the group...
[18:26] <sarnold> jamespage: here's hoping they like hte way 1.18 is shaping up..
[18:27] <byprdct> sarnold I just want to allow this user to sftp to a public folder but not be allowed to access anything beneath it e.g. srv/www
[18:28] <byprdct> actually srv/www/public
[18:29] <sarnold> byprdct: I think so long as any child directories don't have that group ownership the other user couldn't modify them or their contents..
[18:30] <hallyn> jcastro: no.  home/end in the place of control?  (uh, capslock :)  did you photoshop that?
[18:32] <byprdct> sarnold I'm worried about the parent directories e.g. srv/www so it should work that was too as well
[18:32] <byprdct> ?
[18:36] <basketball> sarnold,  how do i put my irc bot in the server
[18:36] <jcastro> hallyn, I did not make it up, that's what it actually is, I can't believe it either
[18:38] <bekks> basketball: Which ircbot in which server?
[18:38] <basketball> supybot and my server
[18:39] <bekks> basketball: And which irc network do you want to connect with?
[18:39] <basketball> freenode
[18:40] <bekks> basketball: Honestly, no offense meant, but you shouldnt mess with bots until you know how to connect them to a irc network ;)
[18:40] <basketball> bekks,  i have my bot up
[18:40] <bekks> And thats very well documented for supybot, e.g.
[18:41] <basketball> bekks,  that is my bot
[18:41] <bekks> What is your bot?
[18:41] <bekks> I dont see part/join messages.
[18:41] <basketball> suppybot^,
[18:42] <basketball> ~reply bekks  I am basketball's bot
[18:42] <suppybot^> basketball: bekks I am basketball's bot
[18:42] <bekks> Whatever you need that for.
[18:42] <basketball> how do i put him on server
[18:43] <bekks> Upload it.
[18:43] <basketball> how
[18:43] <bekks> Using whichever file transfer protocol you configured on your server.
[18:44] <basketball> so i transfer everything
[18:44] <basketball> and then it works
[18:44] <bekks> No.
[18:44] <bekks> You transfer it, and then you have to make sure everything works as expected.
[18:45] <basketball> bekks,  i am installing the program on the server how do i copy all the files
[18:45] <basketball> i dont have a gui
[18:45] <bekks> Using whichever file transfer protocol you configured on your server.
[18:46] <bekks> If you dont have a gui, you have to use the terminal.
[18:46] <bekks> !ssh | basketball
[18:46] <suppybot^> basketball: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[18:46] <bekks> Settings that suppybot^ on ignore now.
[18:46] <basketball> ~ part #ubuntu-server
[18:46] <bekks> Better let him pat the entire network.
[18:46] <bekks> *part
[18:47] <basketball> !filetransfer
[18:47] <basketball> what is the file transfer program
[18:47] <bekks> Please read the text ubottu just told you.
[18:47] <bekks> After that, please read the links given.
[19:02] <raj__> is there anything worth backing up in /var ? besides /var/lib folder ?
[19:03] <bekks> raj__: Almost everything, besides /var/tmp and /var/run
[19:03] <sarnold> /var/spool/mail or wherver your databases live :)
[19:03] <bekks> raj__: If you dont backup /var, you will entirely break you package management system in case of restoring it.
[19:04] <sarnold> imho backups are for your data
[19:04] <sarnold> you can install a new OS on a new drive pretty quickly
[19:05] <raj__> i am not looking for a full restore .. just to save the custom configurations..
[19:06] <bekks> raj__: Then backup everything.
[19:07] <raj__> not everything under /var is for configurations .. i already backup the db.. /cache , /run, /lockm /tmp do they need to be backed up?
[19:09] <bekks> raj__: I told you which too directories under /var dont need to be backed up.
[19:09] <bekks> *two
[19:13] <basketball> bekks,  how do i make bot startup at startup
[19:15] <bekks> basketball: By configuring your system to start your bot automatically.
[19:15] <bekks> !autostart | basketball
[19:16] <basketball> bekks,  i dont have a gui
[19:17] <bekks> basketball: Then you have to write an init script which starts your bot as the user desired.
[19:25] <mgw> basketball: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[19:28] <jrwren> what is the difference between %C and %T in find -printf output?
[19:32] <sarnold> jrwren: %T is the modification time -- when the file data changed. %C is the status change time, which could include e.g. chown/chmod or touch to change the mtime or atime..
[19:33] <jrwren> sarnold: thanks
[19:35] <hmhrex> I'm having an issue with netatalk and file permissions. Here are some details: http://askubuntu.com/questions/434324/permissions-issue-with-netatalk
[19:37] <sarnold> hmhrex: any error messages from netatalk in the logs? any messages on the OS X logs?
[19:37] <hmhrex> That's something I didn't check. Do you know off the top of your head where the netatalk log file is in Ubuntu>
[19:38] <sarnold> hmhrex: guessing, /var/log/netatalk.log ..
[19:38] <sarnold> if not, /var/log/syslog may have something
[19:39] <hmhrex> Let me test the issue again and I'll post the logs.
[19:45] <hmhrex> Finally found the netatalk log. All it says is this:
[19:45] <hmhrex> Mar 14 14:11:08.693414 afpd[1986] {ea_sys.c:110} (E:AFPDaemon): sys_getextattr_size: error: Permission denied
[19:45] <hmhrex> nothing in the Mac logs.
[19:46] <sarnold> hmhrex: how about syslog?
[19:47] <hmhrex> nothing in there either.
[19:47] <hmhrex> It's weird cause it claims that it's a permissions issue, but everything checks out as fine.
[19:49] <byprdct> I'm having trouble with this. Does this chown -R ubuntu:sftp /srv/www/public allow anyone from the sftp group access to the public folder and not parent directories?
[19:52] <sarnold> hmhrex: what does 'getfattr' report on each of those files?
[19:53] <sarnold> byprdct: someone from the sftp group will also need read and execute permissions on above directories (either via world or group permissions) otherwise they won't even be able to cd /srv/www/public
[19:56] <hmhrex> sarnold: I haven't used this command before, any switch in particular you want me to use?
[19:57] <byprdct> sarnold how would I employ something like that from the group level. I usually do something like this chown -R ubuntu:www-data /srv/www because I'm the user ubuntu but now I have another user accessing the server and I don't want him to have any access to anything above the public folder
[19:58] <sarnold> hmhrex: I think -d looks best
[19:59] <hmhrex> so basically getfattr -d /path/to/files ?
[19:59] <hmhrex> that's not coming up with anything.
[19:59] <sarnold> byprdct: perhaps I should take a step back.. what do you mean by "above the public folder"?
[19:59] <sarnold> hmhrex: okay, try the same command but use sudo to run it as the user that runs the netatalk daemon
[20:00] <hmhrex> user.com.apple.quarantine="0042;52fa5018;QuickTime\\x20Player;"
[20:00] <hmhrex> That's what I get from the .mp4
[20:01] <hmhrex> I don't get anything for the rtf.
[20:03] <sarnold> hmhrex: interesting. i would have expected the resource fork to tell os x which application to use to edit the file..
[20:03] <sarnold> hmhrex: well, I -expeted- a 'permission denied' error, just like netatalk :) but still.
[20:03] <hmhrex> haha.
[20:03] <hmhrex> Yeah. It's odd.
[20:04] <sarnold> hmhrex: sorry, out of ideas. you could try adding that info to your post, more details never hurts, and it'll push it back up the list of posts again :) heh
[20:05] <hmhrex> I'll do that.
[20:05] <hmhrex> I do have one question about running getfattr. What should I be getting when I run that on that .mp4?
[20:05] <hmhrex> nothing?
[20:07] <sarnold> hmhrex: the user.com.apple.quarantine bit was added by finder or safari or whatever; iirc the first four digits indicates which application to use from an application registry of some sort; the last bit is a human friendly name to use when the application isn't installed to tell the user what to go buy :) -- and i'm not sure on the middle digits. could be something related to the seatbelt-based security policies..
[20:08] <hmhrex> Huh. Interesting. Is there any way to strip that information out?
[20:09] <sarnold> hmhrex: setfattr -x
[20:10] <sarnold> hmhrex: if you can umount the afp mount before doing it, remove the attr, re-mount, and then test, I think that'd be a more representative test if this can work as a solution
[20:11] <sarnold> os x may cache the resource fork information while the mount is active
[20:11] <hmhrex> Would there anyway to set defaults on these folders so that they don't have this information?
[20:16] <sarnold> hmhrex: you could mount the filesystem without extended attribute support; that's a bit brutal as solution goes but might do the job
[20:16] <hmhrex> What would that entail?
[20:17] <hmhrex> You can link me to resources if you want. I'm fine with researching this solution further.
[20:17] <sarnold> hmhrex: that'd be mount(8) option nouser_xattr ; add it to your filesystem in /etc/fstab and run mount -onouser_xattr,remount /filesystem  ..
[20:18] <hmhrex> Are there any cons to this solution?
[20:18] <byprdct> sorry sarnold daughter grabbed me for a sec. what I meant by above the public folder is any parent directory to the public folder or anywhere else in the file system. I want the other user to only have access to the public folder and anything in that folder e.g. public/*
[20:18] <sarnold> depends upon what other programs on your system are expecting to use extended attributes.
[20:23] <hmhrex> Alright. That might be helping. Let me do a couple other tests.
[20:31] <hmhrex> Yeah. It didn't seem to help.
[20:32] <hmhrex> So frustrating. i'll take a deeper look into the groups, etc. Maybe something I'm missing.
[20:34] <hmhrex> yeah, I accidentally logged out. Was there anything else to try?
[20:41] <hmhrex> sarnold: it didn't seem to help. But I added that info to my question on askubuntu. So hopefully can help me out. Thanks for all your help!
[21:49] <Midion__> is csf better than fail 2 ban?
[21:59] <basketball> what is gnu screen
[22:01] <sarnold> screen is a terminal multiplexer, it lets you run more than one shell in a terminal, and the best part is you can detach and re-attach to it.
[22:01] <basketball> will my computer have that
[22:01] <sarnold> if you're going to use it I suggest finding a hardstatusline setting from somewhere and sticking it in your ~/.screenrc. it'll help immensely.
[22:02] <sarnold> basketball: you just need to apt-get install screen
[22:02] <sarnold> basketball: I personally prefer tmux, for no real reason, except I find ^B more convenient than ^A