[00:00] <selinuxium> Morinng all, anyone still up?
[02:21] <sammmm> HazRPG: I just went for a really big dump, but instead of it coming out in one massive piece, it came out in lots of small pieces.
[02:21] <sammmm> The first bit was a little hard, but then it was plain sailing. :)
[02:22] <sammmm> HazRPG: And I only bled a little bit on the toilet paper. :)
[02:36] <Azelphur> !ops
[02:37] <Azelphur> nobody awake for that one, :(
[02:49] <HazRPG> apparently not
[02:50] <HazRPG> sammm: btw, just to point out... tis a family-orientated channel, plus it is logged
[02:51] <HazRPG> e.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/13/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[02:54] <sammm> HazRPG: OMG
[02:54] <HazRPG> sammm: not know it was logged?
[02:54] <sammm> HazRPG: Maybe we should stop talking to each other here.
[02:54] <sammm> HazRPG: No.
[02:54] <HazRPG> does say in the topic dude :P
[02:55] <HazRPG> first rule of irc: always read the topic before you enter/post :P
[02:55] <HazRPG> first (unwritten) rule*
[06:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:07] <AlanBell> morning
[06:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> mornign all.
[06:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/113854270767509504
[06:30] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: awwww
[06:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> How kid's tastes have changed eh? Imagine asking your mum & dad for one of these for your birthday: http://www.montezumas.co.uk/search/showitem.asp?r=&q=chilli&g=&i=1477&pg=1
[06:58] <Azelphur> it's a popey, morning popey \o/
[06:59] <popey> mng
[07:00] <diplo> Morning all
[07:09] <Azelphur> night all :D
[07:09]  * Azelphur wanders off to sleep
[07:17] <czajkowski> popey: you're missing from over there--->
[07:31] <smittix> Morning all
[07:34] <andylockran> morning sportsfans
[07:44] <hoover> good morning
[07:45] <DJones> Morning all
[07:49] <smittix> Can anyone recommend anywhere to purchase a VPS?
[07:49] <smittix> lowest cost would be good
[07:50] <andylockran> bitfolk is a good bet
[07:51] <smittix> ta, I will take a look
[08:12] <danfish> smittix: amazon are offering more or less free micro instances for the first year
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> "first one's free", like a drug dealer ;)
[08:18] <smittix> heh
[08:19] <smittix> Well I found one thats 512mb Ram, 1ghz Processor, 50gb HD and Unmetered bandwidth for £8pm
[08:19] <gord> i don't really understand the concept of kickstarter - it seems to be people who have buckets, they are asking other people to put money in the bucket so they can have the money so they can start doing something to make money
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> gord: as you know, it's impossible to make any money at all without a big investment
[08:23] <gord> but its not an investment
[08:23] <gord> its a donation
[08:23] <gord> thats what i don't get
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> even better! don't have to pay it back!
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> free moneys
[08:24] <gord> i get that its great for the people on kickstarter, i just don't get why anyone would give money to it, you won't get it back
[08:25] <danfish> gord: it's a pyramid scheme, but with less risk of going to gaol ;)
[08:25] <JamesTait> Good morning, all!
[08:30] <danfish> o/
[08:37] <gord> i'm gonna start a kickstarter called "gord wants cake"
[08:37] <gord> you can put money in the gord wants cake bucket, i will use it to eat cake
[08:39] <aquarius> gord, I think that's what flattr is for :)
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> he won't get any flattr from eating lots of cake thouhg
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> though*
[08:44] <oimon> kickstarter won't give you the cake if you don't reach the total though :(
[09:00] <j0nr> good moaning
[09:09]  * Laney gives terminaling with UbuntuBeta Mono a go
[09:10] <gord> is that public now?
[09:12] <Laney> as public as it was
[09:39] <AlanBell> hi all
[09:42] <smittix> Morning AlanBell
[09:43] <FND> hi - I'm struggling with X font definitions (for dmenu); how can I find out which font gnome-terminal uses (Preferences dialog suggests Mono 11) and convert that to old-school X format (-misc-*-*-...)?
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> The "old-school" X fonts don't map well to "new style" font definitions
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> they use a completely different system of finding and rendering fonts
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> I'd install something like xfontsel
[09:44] <FND> I was afraid of that
[09:44] <FND> I actually used xfontsel, but didn't get on with it too well
[09:45] <FND> I guess that's because the font selection doesn't map my expectations
[09:45] <nucc1> for some reason, postfix isn't getting its config info for PAM from /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf, how can i find out where it is looking?
[09:46] <hoover> nucc1: strace?
[09:46] <BigRedS> nucc1: grep -r /etc/postfix pwcheck_method  ?
[09:46] <hoover> postconf -a?
[09:46] <BigRedS> oh yeah, that's more sensible
[09:49] <nucc1> hoover, postconf -a lists cyrus and dovecot
[09:52] <popey> morning all
[09:56] <nucc1> hoover, how would i run it with strace?
[09:56] <nucc1> strace postfix doesn't seem to help
[10:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: you online yet dude?
[10:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: enjoy your first day I hope everything goes well
[10:02] <gord> gots me a black revo, wonder how it differs from the white ones
[10:03] <popey> is that the one that stands on its corner?
[10:04] <gord> i don't think so, i mean, i quickly took it out to take a look at it but it looks 100% the same as the regular revos but black
[10:05] <gord> http://www.ebuyer.com/279898-acer-aspire-revo-r3700-net-top-pc-pt-semec-036 this one
[10:05] <popey> 3700?
[10:05] <popey> yeah, stands on the corner
[10:05] <popey> well, looks like it :D
[10:05] <dogmatic69> popey: o/
[10:05] <popey> wonder what performance is like compared to the 1.6GHz atoms
[10:05] <popey> gord: run hugos random benchmark on it!
[10:06] <dogmatic69> have you got a list of things you run on the mc server? maps backups etc
[10:06] <popey> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[10:06] <popey> not to hand dogmatic69
[10:06] <dogmatic69> k :(
[10:07] <popey> what specifics do you want to know?
[10:07] <dogmatic69> was just hoping for a blog post titled "how to run a mc server by: popey" :)
[10:08] <gord> funny enough, even though it was the linux version of the revo it came with a "webroot personal security" dvd
[10:09] <dogmatic69> ill just have to wade through the minecraft wiki again
[10:18] <dogmatic69> my little i3 is way up the list :D
[10:19] <andylockran> guys - is there a documented way to upgrade a dead version of ubuntu to a newer release (eg jaunty) ?
[10:19] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[10:21] <andylockran> thanks popey :)
[10:23] <dogmatic69> node.js is pretty damn fast... does that time thing in 0.061s
[10:24] <gord> i think in reality your javascript compiler is good
[10:25] <gord> i mean, its a simple statement that evaluates to i=1e8, you can just replace the entire loop with that if your recompiler is smart enough
[10:45]  * AlanBell sits in the cafe below millbank tower
[10:46] <dogmatic69> gord: ye, i was thinking its doing something like that.
[10:47] <davmor2> AlanBell: etsu by any chance?
[10:48] <AlanBell> davmor2: yes
[10:48] <davmor2> AlanBell: Cheese ploughmans sandwich from there is one of the best
[10:49] <AlanBell> coffee is cheap
[10:49] <AlanBell> £1.25 bargain
[10:49] <hamitron> £1.25 is cheap? :|
[10:49] <AlanBell> are you upstairs davmor2?
[10:49] <AlanBell> hamitron: this is London
[10:49] <davmor2> AlanBell: Sandwich, pack of crisps and a drink is like a fiver
[10:50]  * hamitron crosses London off his "to visit" list
[10:50] <davmor2> AlanBell: No I'm in wolvo
[10:50] <BigRedS> london has plus points that outweigh the minus point of expensive things
[10:50] <davmor2> hamitron: that's amasing cheap in London
[10:50] <hamitron> never been
[10:51]  * AlanBell needs more contacts in the tower of power
[10:51] <hamitron> I struggle to convince myself to spend 70p on a coffee
[10:51] <hamitron> :/
[10:58] <BigRedS> hamitron: depends on teh size of the coffee, surely?
[10:59] <hamitron> I never drink more than a mugs worth
[10:59] <hamitron> :)
[10:59] <hamitron> what is the name of that player like XMMS and Winamp?
[11:00] <hamitron> begins with A
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> amarok?
[11:00] <hamitron> na
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> ample?
[11:00] <hamitron> Au*
[11:00] <hamitron> Aud* even
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> audacity? audacious?
[11:01] <BigRedS> hamitron: amp?
[11:01] <hamitron> audacious
[11:01] <hamitron> :)
[11:01] <hamitron> ty
[11:16]  * AlanBell has gained entry :)
[11:22] <davmor2> AlanBell: <Kenith_Williams_impression> Ooooooh Matron! </Kenith_Williams_impression>
[11:23] <kaushal__> Hi
[11:23] <kaushal__> can i have sun-java6 version 24 deb package ?
[11:23] <kaushal__> sun-java6-jdk
[11:24] <kaushal__> for 10.04
[11:27] <smittix> Ive been staring at a blank html document for about 3 hours trying to think of what to have on my homepage. 3 hours worth of creativity and i come up with this http://smittix.co.uk
[11:27] <smittix> :/
[11:29] <AlanBell> I like it
[11:29] <smittix> heh
[11:30] <smittix> AlanBell: Regarding the Notts Release Party, I will wait for a future date. After the notts beer festival
[11:30] <kaushal__> AlanBell: hi
[11:30] <kaushal__> where can i get sun-java6-jdk version 24 .deb package for 10.04 ?
[11:30] <kaushal__> i had it but i have lost it
[11:30] <kaushal__> somehow
[11:34] <AlanBell> !info sun-dava6-jdk
[11:34] <AlanBell> !info sun-java6-jdk
[11:36] <AlanBell> !info sun-java6-jdk hardy
[11:36] <AlanBell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk
[11:37] <AlanBell> !info openjdk-6-jdk
[11:37] <AlanBell> I would try and use that ^^
[11:38] <AlanBell> or you can turn on the partner repo, it is in there
[11:39] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/
[11:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: Why you at Canonical HQ anyhow?
[11:40] <AlanBell> davmor2: to get some stuff printed out :)
[11:41] <davmor2> AlanBell: you don't own a printer of you own ;)
[11:41] <AlanBell> I was sent the stuff to print after I got on the train
[11:42] <davmor2> AlanBell: haha :)
[11:43] <AlanBell> and I printed a copy of http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf and stuck it on the fridge
[11:44] <davmor2> AlanBell: Nice
[11:46]  * AlanBell heads out for a cheese ploughmans sandwich then on to the Home Office
[11:59] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[12:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning
[12:02] <brobostigon> davmor2: morning.
[12:13] <JGJones> guys, just wondering - for a small organisation (around 30 staff) - what's a good asset database to use? or a template for libreoffice base?
[12:27] <drussell> JGJones: depending on how much information you want, and how complex you want to go...
[12:28] <drussell> JGJones: http://www.xtuple.com/node/2284
[12:28] <JGJones> hmm was just looking at spiceworks
[12:28] <drussell> JGJones: for future reference osalt.com is good for answering these kind of questions...
[12:28] <JGJones> drussell - thanks, taking a look
[12:28] <drussell> JGJones: http://www.osalt.com/search?q=asset
[12:28] <drussell> JGJones: yvw :o)
[12:38] <HazRPG_> \o
[12:40] <brobostigon> o/
[12:40] <oimon> yesterday i was throwing away some old junk and as i was throwing away a dvd case containing fedora core 5, i decided to open it to look inside (why?). and i found a music CD that i bought years ago and lost 3 days after buying, and never replaced :D :D
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:40] <oimon> that's better than finding a fiver in the pocket of old jeans
[12:41] <HazRPG_> brobostigon: :)
[12:41] <hamitron> moral of the story.... don't be a lazy git and put stuff away properly after use? ;)
[12:41] <brobostigon> HazRPG_: :)
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> We found a CD Single of Ice Ice Baby when moving offices a few months ago :)
[12:41] <oimon> hamitron: it's only happened since i was married, although my wife denies it.
[12:41] <hamitron> haha
[12:41] <oimon> i am still missing a footy game for the wii
[12:41] <hamitron> gotta love marriage....
[12:41] <hamitron> someone to blame ;)
[12:41] <oimon> maybe i never tidied up in a rush before i was married
[12:42] <oimon> currently 2hrs into a 10TB filesystem repair
[12:42] <hamitron> :)
[12:42] <hamitron> I'm trying to find space to move 400Gb off my windows 7 comp
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Ah, always a good excuse to clean the desk ;)
[12:42] <oimon> already repaired it on monday :(
[12:42]  * MartijnVdS hands hamitron /dev/null
[12:43] <hamitron> since win7 decided to break itself
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> oimon: time for fresh disks?
[12:43] <hamitron> :/
[12:43] <oimon> MartijnVdS: it's a machine for a colleague who is on holiday. should have 20TB of disk in RAID 1
[12:43] <oimon> with 92GB SSD cache
[12:43] <hamitron> :-o
[12:43]  * hamitron dreams
[12:43] <BigRedS> I'm trying to configure an apache vhost to use its own php.ini, anyone remember how to?
[12:44] <BigRedS> All I can find are people saying 'no, use ini_set()' or 'no, use php_value'. But that doesn't work with sendmail_path, which is what I particularly want to set
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> isn't that some SetEnv thing?
[12:45] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: maybe :)
[12:45] <oimon> already rearranged my whole office MartijnVdS :)
[12:47] <BigRedS> aha!
[12:47] <BigRedS> php_admin_value works
[12:49] <BigRedS> d'oh. But php doesn't have a 'my'...
[12:50] <JGJones> hamitron - that's what a dog is for. Blaming all the farts on ;-)
[12:50] <hamitron> :D
[12:51] <oimon> slowly moving my entire collection of linux magazine into my work office to make space at home :)
[12:51] <JGJones> cos if I blamed my wife...well...you're welcome to my funeral.
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Aren't those per <VirtualHost> block?
[12:55] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah - I wanted to set teh sendmail path for php for a single virtualhost
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: so you don't need a "my" :)
[12:55] <BigRedS> oh, no, that was in the test php script
[12:56] <BigRedS> just perl habits
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> :)
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> Perl habits are good habits
[12:56] <BigRedS> oh yes
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> except our sysadmin's perl habits
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> they're horrible ;)
[12:57] <oimon> that's because it's python :)
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ...
[12:58] <oimon> MartijnVdS: ....
[12:58] <BigRedS> well, sysadmin perl is different to developer perl
[12:58] <BigRedS> and, er, I'm the former :)
[12:58]  * MartijnVdS the latter
[12:58] <BigRedS> I write everything so it runs in perl core on debian sarge, just in case :)
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> eek :)
[13:03]  * MartijnVdS uses loads of Squeeze backports on lenny
[13:04] <BigRedS> haha
[13:36] <HazRPG> hmm, is there a way to convert (or a plugin of sorts) irssi log files into html?
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/2.1/nudelstats.html (first hit for "irssi log to html")
[13:54] <DJones> HazRPG: I think so, give me a sec
[13:54] <DJones> !logs
[13:55] <DJones> Actually, I was thinking of this which is used by the ubuntu log bots http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/
[13:56] <HazRPG> DJones: yeah, I noticed that at the end of one of the logs @ irclogs.ubuntu.com :) - much thanks, I'll have to give that a shot
[13:58] <oimon> bugzilla needs to die in a fire :(
[14:01] <davmor2> oimon: Bugzilla is there to teach you not to take LP for granted :)
[14:08] <hamitron> and to not code bugs
[14:08] <hamitron> ;)
[14:19]  * oimon agrees
[15:39] <brobostigon> question, a friend of mine tells me, that within hotmail, within its standard functions, you can tell it to not show ads. now, why on earth would Ms out in such a function, and block their income streams, to start with. so i do not believe this to be true.
[15:40] <oimon> brobostigon: slashdot has that feature. although i haven't seen hotmail since the 90s
[15:40] <oimon> and i've used adblock since forever too :)
[15:41] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:41] <oimon> sorry, i'm not helping :)
[15:41] <brobostigon> no worries. :)
[15:41] <gord> hum, they must of updated the wireless chipset in the new revos, it no work
[15:42] <brobostigon> but i would be interested as to if it is true or not. as that would mean, MS are stabbing themselves in the foot.
[15:42] <oimon> gord:  which model?
[15:42] <gord> oimon, um. "black"
[15:43] <oimon> R3700?
[15:43] <popey> thssim
[15:43] <gord> i guess?
[15:43] <oimon> u need to install a package
[15:44] <oimon> firmware-non-free or something like that
[15:44] <oimon> i found the wifi on it very flaky though
[15:45] <popey> brobostigon: only if people know about the feature, which almost certainly not many do
[15:46] <brobostigon> popey: and also, i am finding no reference to such a feature, being built into hotmail. anywhere.
[15:46] <popey> so it's an unsubstantiated rumour
[15:47] <brobostigon> seems so, but the person i am talking to, claims it is there. i am doubtful, as to the truth a validity, of his words on it.
[15:47] <oimon> i am also doubtful ;)
[15:48] <brobostigon> why would they stab themselves in the foot, :)
[15:48] <oimon> unless it's a feature for paying "office live 365" mugs^H^H^H^Hcustomers
[15:49] <brobostigon> maybe, but it would still be documented somewhere wouldnt it.
[15:52] <oimon> maybe they were referring to live365 VIP
[15:52] <oimon> https://store.live365.com/popup/popup-preferred_membership_agreement.live section 1
[15:52] <oimon> sorry forget that - it's not the micrsoft live 365
[15:52] <oimon> it's another one
[15:55] <popey> brobostigon: the problem is you're asking this in a channel full of people who probably really, honestly, don't give a toss :D
[15:55] <brobostigon> popey: i totally agree, you are quite correct, including me. :)
[15:55] <gord> popey, what was that benchmark site again?
[15:58] <oimon> today has sucked :(
[15:59] <popey> gord: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[15:59] <gord> ta
[16:00] <popey> you are obliged to update it :D
[16:01] <gord> thats the plan
[16:04] <oimon> ever used "disown" to move jobs into a screen session?
[16:07] <gord> popey, done and done
[16:08] <popey> ooo, not much faster than my 3600
[16:09] <Laney> oimon: try reptyr
[16:10] <gord> fastest atom on there though ;)
[16:11] <gord> and of course, that test only uses one core
[16:13] <gord> shame i have to say bye to the machine... if it were a white one i could swap it for one of my own and they would be non the wiser ;)
[16:13] <gord> well i guess i could swap the contents
[16:15] <popey> :D
[16:15] <popey> they're not _too_ painful to take apart
[16:16] <popey> are they physically identical in shape?
[16:16] <popey> the 3700 doesn't have esata now does it?
[16:17] <gord> oh right no, thats what that blocked off bit was
[16:17] <gord> but yeah they look the same
[16:19] <hamitron> just over 5s on my i3
[16:19] <hamitron> :/
[16:21] <gord> dang it, the wifi chipset isn't picking up my N ssid
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> N-only?
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's a 2.4 vs 5GHz issue?
[16:24] <gord> it should see both
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: man iw :)
[16:25] <matti> :)
[16:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer is installing Windows 8 Dev preview in VirtualBox on Ubuntu :-)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ah the morphine drip kicked in? :)
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's quite slow... I'm interested in having a recent version of IE available for testing web sites and I do not want to buy Win 7 if I can avoid it.
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh only one reboot so far. It's updated the registry and is now "getting devices ready"...
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah restart #2
[16:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> 3rd time lucky?
[16:35] <matti> LOL
[16:36] <matti> ;)
[16:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - A green desktop
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Several questions *after* the install. Why do they do that? Why can't they ask this stuff first time round?
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Preparing PC" - I'm sure that happened before...
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lots of network activity.
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Might be interesting to wireshark that
[16:39] <brobostigon> i found an answer, there is an opt-out for personalised advertising within hotmail. but no advertising block.
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that's in my browser anyway :)
[16:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: exactly, :)
[16:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: I still have a hotmail account. I use it for spammy type email stuff. And I access it via Thunderbird so never logon nor see the ads.
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> you can do that now?
[16:40] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: :) good plan.
[16:40]  * MartijnVdS though it used some weird outlook-only protocol
[16:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a Windows 8 front-end
[16:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: POP
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: tbh I haven't used hotmail ever
[16:41] <derek19> does anyone know how to create two or three email accounts in evolution?
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> derek19: yes, in Edit -> Accounts add more accounts (maybe it's in Tools -> Accounts)?
[16:45] <derek19> great stuff  I've had a go a few times put was unable to configure-nice one :-D
[16:47] <derek19> derek19 is leaving- thanks for evolution tip MartijnVds
[16:59] <nuclearworm_> hello, can someone help me to create a bootable cd rom to upgrade bios?
[17:01] <popey> nuclearworm_: bootdisk.com ?
[17:01] <smittix> Evening all
[17:02] <popey> lo
[17:02] <smittix> how goes it?
[17:04] <nuclearworm_> popey , which image should i choose to create a bootable cd rom?
[17:04] <popey> nuclearworm_: there is link on the front page that talks about flashing bioses
[17:05] <popey> http://www.bootdisk.com/flash.htm
[17:06] <gord> woo i hate samba
[17:09] <gord> also hate the new nautilus
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> you're full of rage aren'tyou
[17:10] <popey> I had a nice tweet today
[17:11] <popey> said something like 'oh, i see why you're angry, you like open source'
[17:11] <popey> from a .net developer
[17:11] <gord> just keeps rejecting my password attempts =\
[17:12] <gord> and the log files are next to useless
[17:18] <AlanBell> hi all
[17:18]  * AlanBell is in a pub
[17:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah
[17:18] <AlanBell> specifically the Cask
[17:18] <hamitron> popey, "oh, I see why you're not, you have no clue what is happening"
[17:18] <brobostigon> :)
[17:19] <popey> heh
[17:56] <gord> i thought this guide looked familiar, turns out i wrote it
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[18:33] <gord> bleh hdmi audio isn't working for some reason, what on earth did i do to get it running on other revo
[18:34] <czajkowski> Aloha
[18:34] <bigcalm> gord: check in pulseaudio volume control, you'll be able to set the sound output as the hdmi port
[18:34] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski, how was work?
[18:34] <gord> bigcalm, nope already checked
[18:34] <czajkowski> fantastic
[18:34] <bigcalm> Arse
[18:34] <bigcalm> Great!
[18:35] <gord> bigcalm, its lts so chances are the driver is just huuugely out of date
[18:35] <bigcalm> *nod*
[18:35] <gord> czajkowski, without you here, davmor2 and MooDoo were frankly, lost
[18:40]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo
[18:40]  * czajkowski pokes davmor2
[18:40]  * czajkowski congrats MooDoo on his new addition
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: What was the "electricity meter" you use(d) device called?
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> well you know what I mean :)
[18:57] <gord> jaunty no good for hdmi out it seems, i can get the hdmi device but its got no outputs, lets try with maverick, thats what my revo is running
[19:04] <daubers> evening
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:57] <gord> i'v managed to get hdmi working in one account but not the other =\
[19:57] <gord> this is very confusing
[20:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E15  Remember Tomorrow - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/14/s04e15-remember-tomorrow/
[20:10] <andylockran> :)
[20:48] <AlanBell> MartijnV1S: that would be a currentcost
[21:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: boo
[21:02] <davmor2> gord: :P
[21:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Clingo Universal Car Phone Holder - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/14/clingo-universal-car-phone-holder/
[21:53] <AlanBell> hi all
[21:54]  * AlanBell likes the events list http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[21:54] <AlanBell> and we need to add the Nottingham meetup to the list
[21:54] <AlanBell> and sort out a christmas thing
[21:55] <hamitron> loads of drinking basically? ;/
[21:56] <brobostigon> evevning AlanBell
[21:56] <brobostigon> nottigham i could do, it isnt far, a short train journey, if all is ok.
[21:58] <AlanBell> hamitron: there is a barcamp in there, which despite having bar in the name isn't really about drinking
[21:58] <hamitron> oh
[21:58] <AlanBell> but yeah, there is a bit of a drinking theme to some of the others
[21:58] <hamitron> :D
[21:58] <AlanBell> barcamp == unconference
[21:59] <hamitron> well
[21:59] <AlanBell> anyhow, I want to add more non-drinky things, but they tend to be a *lot* more difficult and expensive to organise
[21:59] <hamitron> the list is nearly perfect then
[21:59] <hamitron> ;)
[21:59] <hamitron> I suppose, yeh
[22:00] <AlanBell> and we are moving out of geeknic season
[22:07] <AlanBell> I did check out the Cask earlier
[22:07] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/bitmap2ttf new project \o/
[22:09] <hamitron> ali1234, the clue is in the name?
[22:09] <AlanBell> very clever
[22:10] <AlanBell> the outliner.py contains less code than I would have expected it would need
[22:11] <AlanBell> so it creates a pixellated font still, but a scaleable one right?
[22:12] <ali1234> yes
[22:13] <ali1234> it is how I made this font: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/100.html
[22:13] <ali1234> note that even the graphics on that page, are actually fonts
[22:13] <ali1234> "graphics"
[22:14] <ali1234> the teletext font is in ubuntu repos, tv-fonts package but it is pcf
[22:14] <AlanBell> I see :)
[22:14] <ali1234> and firefox won't use pcf
[22:14] <ali1234> btw, page only looks "right" in ff, webkit can't render fonts properly and ie just crashes on the vendor unicode
[22:15] <AlanBell> the teletext thing is a brilliant project
[22:16]  * funkyHat is IRCing on the M1
[22:18] <ali1234> for the teletext thing i had to invent a totally new method for recovering NRZ signals
[22:18] <ali1234> i think it is totally new, it doesn't work like any of the existing documented algorithms
[22:18] <ali1234> i read quite a lot of papers on the topic
[22:23] <AlanBell> this is the sort of thing the British Library or National Archives might be very interested in
[22:26] <andylockran> funkyHat: hope you're not driving too :p
[22:28] <ali1234> the page numbers/fasttext are all hyperlinked btw
[22:29] <ali1234> total time to generate that full magazine = about 4 days with newest code, from 45 minutes of recording
[22:31] <ali1234> when the raspberry pi comes out, i hope it has real programmable video out
[22:31] <ali1234> because i want to use it to send teletext to a TV
[22:31] <ali1234> but that requires modeline hacking
[22:32] <ali1234> if it just has a hardwired pal/ntsc generator it won't work
[22:32] <ali1234> if it just has a generic DSP and no open driver, it will be extremely hard, but possible
[22:32] <AlanBell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>will know
[22:33] <ali1234> i have this idea to develop a wireless box that inserts teletext into a video signal
[22:33] <ali1234> based on stuff it pulls from a web server
[22:34] <ali1234> then i can sell "teletext" to people that still want it (= old people) for a few quid a year
[22:34] <ali1234> generate feeds etc
[22:34] <AlanBell> the project to get archived text off VHS could get serious funding if you are after that
[22:35] <ali1234> interesting
[22:35] <ali1234> i have no idea how to go about it though
[22:36] <ali1234> i wonder if<EMAIL_ADDRESS>still works :)
[22:44] <AlanBell> wonder if I still have Adam Farquhar's business card somewhere http://www.jisc.ac.uk/events/2010/05/brtf/adamfarquhar.aspx


[01:50] <Mikman> Hi.  I am having trouble with writing as blog about the Ubuntu community and two development projects.  The part I am having trouble with is explaining the two projects why they are important.
[01:50] <Mikman> Please keep in mind that I have never worked with Ubuntu.  That is why I can't figure out why these developments would be important.
[01:56] <tsimonq2> Mikman: hey, can you link to the task?
[01:57] <Mikman> Sure
[01:57] <Mikman> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5154716031909888/
[01:58] <Mikman> I found the list of all the recent developments; https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu but I cannot come up with an explanation for them.
[01:58] <Mikman> +tsimonq2
[01:59] <tsimonq2> Mikman: look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[01:59] <tsimonq2> Mikman: I would leran about each task
[01:59] <tsimonq2> Mikman: the status of each task
[01:59] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and the direction that the task is going?
[01:59] <tsimonq2> minus the ? :P
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Mikman: it will require some research
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Mikman: but it will be worth it to learn about the community on a lower level
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Mikman: maybe even talk with the people a bit
[02:01] <Mikman> +tsimonq2  How can I find out the direction that the task is going and how can I talk to these people>
[02:01] <Mikman> ?
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Mikman: balloons, popey, and jose *alone* have enough information for your article ;)
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Mikman: but look at the owner of each team on Launchpad
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and main contributors
[02:01] <tsimonq2> this is easy with stuff like QA
[02:01] <Mikman> +tsimonq2  But how do I actually talk to them
[02:01] <Mikman> Ok
[02:02] <Mikman> I wish they would give me some information if they know
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and dig through these: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/
[02:03] <tsimonq2> *hours* upon *hours* of *solid* content
[02:03] <Mikman> yey! ;)
[02:03] <tsimonq2> Mikman: that link enough is more then enough to write the article :)
[02:03] <tsimonq2> and this is as of a month ago, so you might wanna look through the various mailing lists
[02:03] <tsimonq2> let me get you a few quick
[02:04] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-December/000943.html
[02:04] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-November/000911.html
[02:04] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-December/000945.html
[02:04] <Mikman> What are these?
[02:04] <tsimonq2> Mikman: David Planella of the Community Team posts summaries of main events in the community
[02:05] <Mikman> How do I get to his page?
[02:05] <tsimonq2> Mikman: what do you mena by that?
[02:06] <tsimonq2> Mikman: those links above are his summaries :)
[02:06] <Mikman> Oh ok.  I will work off those then thank you so much!!"
[02:06] <Mikman> :)\
[02:06] <Mikman> :)
[02:06] <tsimonq2> Mikman: also, look at these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Archive
[02:06] <tsimonq2> Mikman: weekly newsletter
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Mikman: main events are also put in there
[02:07] <Mikman> What newletter should I read for research?
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Mikman: pleia2 is in charge of that, so PM her or go to #ubuntu-news if you have a question about those
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Mikman: ummmm any that you feel relevant
[02:07] <Mikman> How do I personal Message
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Mikman: just do /msg pleia2 CONTENT
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Mikman: with content being what you want to message her
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Mikman: but go to #ubuntu-news first :)
[02:08] <Mikman> #ubuntu-news
[02:08] <Mikman> oops
[02:09] <tsimonq2> you would do /join #ubuntu-news :)
[02:09] <Mikman> Lol thanks
[02:09] <tsimonq2> Mikman: no problem :)
[02:10] <tsimonq2> Mikman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams for a teams list
[02:10] <Mikman> That link you sent that you said I could write my whole paper off that alone, What should go to?
[02:10] <tsimonq2> Mikman: crawl it :)
[02:10] <tsimonq2> Mikman: Snappy is the future of Ubuntu, so check that out
[02:11] <tsimonq2> Mikman: as well as Unity 8
[02:11] <tsimonq2> Mikman: so crawl around that and f=watch what looks interesting
[02:11] <tsimonq2> *watch
[02:11] <Mikman> Would I get there by track
[02:12] <tsimonq2> Mikman: probably, yes :)
[02:12] <Mikman> Okay. Thanks for all your help.  Hopefully I can finish this blog now. :)
[02:12] <Mikman> One last thing, what was the teams list for
[02:12] <tsimonq2> Mikman: it looks like http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/track/convergence/ is focused towards the future
[02:13] <tsimonq2> umm for contact info of people
[02:13] <Mikman> Ok
[02:13] <Mikman> I've got so many tabs open it isn't even funny right now lol ;)
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Mikman: note, this will take a bit, and is a large task, but this is very beneficial if you would like to contribute in the futue
[02:13] <tsimonq2> *future
[02:14] <Mikman> Yes.
[02:14] <tsimonq2> Mikman: I'm 13, and although it took me a bit to catch on, this information is very critical
[02:14] <Mikman> Yeah. I haven't caught on yet lol
[02:14] <tsimonq2> it takes time
[02:15] <Mikman> Where can I find Snappy, I think it would be interesting to do one of my projects on Snappy
[02:15] <tsimonq2> oooh snappy
[02:15] <tsimonq2> :D
[02:15] <tsimonq2> umm #snappy
[02:15] <tsimonq2> dholbach and ogra_ are good people to speak to
[02:17] <tsimonq2> Mikman: plenty of Snappy clinics: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-qBHd6_LXWYm8qttcXaosAIzejTa5IPj
[02:17] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and Q&As: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-qBHd6_LXWaytjEA5obaZz1syWcUGY0Q
[02:18] <Mikman> kk
[02:18] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and this overall has a lot of good content: https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir
[02:18] <tsimonq2> really up-to-date
[02:18] <Mikman> Thanks
[02:18] <tsimonq2> Mikman: no problem! and if you need any more help, don't be afraid to ping me :)
[02:19] <tsimonq2> Mikman: but this should be a lot of work
[02:19] <tsimonq2> Mikman: so I wish you good luck
[02:19] <Mikman> Okay! Wait. What does that mean? Like personal message you
[02:19] <Mikman> Yeah. I'm gonna need it.
[02:19] <tsimonq2> PM me, or say my name in the channels I am in
[02:20] <tsimonq2> I am in pretty much every Ubuntu channel
[02:20] <tsimonq2> (and Lubuntu/Kubuntu, but not much of any other flavor)
[02:20] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and don't be afraid to ask for an extension on this! :)
[02:26] <tsimonq2> Mikman: told ya I am in pretty much all the channels ;)
[02:27] <tsimonq2> Mikman: if you can, it would be awesome if I could proofread it when you are done
[02:28] <Mikman> I will send you the link when I am done.  (It might be tomorrow0
[02:28] <Mikman> )*
[02:28] <tsimonq2> Mikman: completely fine :)
[02:28] <Mikman> K
[02:59] <Mikman> +tsimonq2: http://ubuntucommunitygooglecodein.blogspot.com/
[02:59] <Mikman> I finished.
[02:59] <Mikman> Let me know how I did
[03:01] <tsimonq2> Unity 8 is packaged with mir and snappy.
[03:01] <tsimonq2> this is not true ^^
[03:01] <tsimonq2> only the ubuntu-next image is, I believe
[03:01] <tsimonq2> Mikman: ^
[03:02] <Mikman> I got that little bit of info here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/unity-8-all-you-need-to-know-494057.shtml
[03:03] <tsimonq2> Mikman: well I am telling you for a fact that Snappy, Ubuntu, and Mir only coexist in the ubuntu-next image
[03:03] <Mikman> okay.  I will delete that then.
[03:05] <Mikman> How about instead of saying they are packaged, I just say they work together.
[03:05] <tsimonq2> Mikman: you could modify it to say that in the ubuntu-next image it does this.
[03:05] <Mikman> Okay will do.
[03:07] <Mikman> Here plz proofread: http://ubuntucommunitygooglecodein.blogspot.com/
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and although this is a minimal article, I can help you get to know some of these technologies more(seperate from the task)
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Mikman: because this is pretty fascinating information
[03:07] <Mikman> Oh kool that would be awesome!
[03:07] <tsimonq2> yeah :D
[03:08] <Mikman> Yes it is.  I think I'm going to download the Ubuntu operating system and be apart of the development team in the near future.
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Mikman: and you really don't have to do development if you don't want to
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Mikman: you have seen he possible contributions page
[03:09] <tsimonq2> *the
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Mikman: I know enough people that I can lend a hand :)
[03:09] <Mikman> Yes
[03:10] <tsimonq2> Mikman: unless you DO want to do development
[03:10] <Mikman> What's the difference?
[03:10] <tsimonq2> Mikman: in which case I support that
[03:10] <Mikman> Ok
[03:10] <tsimonq2> development usually means code
[03:12] <Mikman> I like code.
[03:12] <Mikman> I don't know what I'm going to do yet.
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Mikman: see my invite :)
[03:14] <Mikman> I'm submitting my blog to my mentor now.
[03:14] <tsimonq2> good idea :)
[03:15] <Mikman> lol
[03:15] <Mikman> I did it :)
[03:16] <tsimonq2> good, keep me updated :)
[03:17] <Mikman> Will do
[03:18] <tsimonq2> ok, night Mikman :)
[03:18] <Mikman> Night
[06:47] <mandarj> is anybody free?
[06:47] <mandarj> I need help with the task at https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5716583989116928/
[07:01] <mandarj> in my test how can I create an instance of the app with an empty library?
[07:08] <mandarj> hi girish
[07:14] <xcub> Hello
[07:14] <xcub> Is should probably be a sleep
[07:14] <xcub> k bye
[07:14] <McIntireEvan> O-okay
[07:14] <McIntireEvan> mandarj, you still need help? I can try and help
[07:38] <mandarj> McIntireEvan: you still there?
[07:38] <mandarj> McIntireEvan: I do need some help
[07:39] <McIntireEvan> Yup, Im still here mandarj
[07:39] <mandarj> I am writing a test case for the Music app
[07:40] <mandarj> I am testing that when the Music app has an empty library it displays the right overlay
[07:40] <mandarj> McIntireEvan: I can’t understand how to create an instance of the app in my code with an empty library
[07:43] <McIntireEvan> mandarj, Im not that familiar with the code for the music app, but I assume the library elements are stored in a list or array of some sort. If there are existing unit tests maybe you could took at those and try and figure out how to initialize the app, and then just don't add anything to the libary
[07:43] <mandarj> McIntireEvan: I did read the existing test cases, but I couldn’t understand how to initialize the app
[07:44] <mandarj> also, do I create a new class for my test case or do I add it as a method to the existing class
[07:44] <mandarj> ?
[07:46] <McIntireEvan> mandarj, based on looking at the existing coe I think you just add a new method
[07:46] <mandarj> ok thanks
[07:46] <mandarj> :)
[07:46] <McIntireEvan> Also, for the libary, is there a method or something to edit it? You could just use that to set the library to empty, in theory
[07:47] <McIntireEvan> No problem, glad to help:)
[09:41] <kokoye2007> hi
[10:34] <adu_> hey!
[10:34] <adu_> I
[10:35] <adu_> I have joined Google GCI
[10:35] <adu_> I know C++ and PHP programming
[10:35] <adu_> I was looking for some guidance on how to get started
[10:37] <DanChapman> adu_, Hey! Have you had a look through the list of tasks yet? probably the best place to start and see if there's any you fancy attempting :-)
[10:37] <adu_> .yeah I have looked at the tasks
[10:37] <adu_> the calender app of Ubuntu looked good
[10:39] <DanChapman> ok great.  What issues are you having getting started then?
[10:44] <adu_> hello !
[10:44] <flocculant> o/ DanChapman
[10:44] <adu_> I was looking for some guidance on building the calender app on GCI
[10:45] <DanChapman> morning flocculant o/
[10:46] <Sulphuric> want to upload my screencast on gci as a task, did i just send in as an attachment in the comment...
[10:46] <DanChapman> adu_, you can find the source code here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app there should be instructions in the README file to get it running
[10:47] <DanChapman> Sulphuric, yes either as an attachment or a link to the image if it's located somewhere else
[10:47] <Sulphuric> thanks
[10:48] <adu_> thank you so much Dan !
[10:49] <adu_> hey one more thing, to build this in Ubuntu do I need some extra softwares or SDK ?
[10:50] <adu_> will I be able to run it using the command line ?
[10:54] <DanChapman> adu_ yes so the official instructions to install the sdk are here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ but the sdk desktop kit is broken at the moment. So you may need to apt install ubuntu-sdk-libs plus any other missing packages, take a peek in /debian/control file to see what else it needs
[10:54] <DanChapman> the readme should tell you how to do it from the commandline
[10:55] <adu_> thank you for all the help Dan ! :)
[10:56] <DanChapman> your welcome :-)
[14:13] <malevasquez> Hey! How can I link a bug upstream in launchpad?
[14:13] <malevasquez> I already confirmed it
[14:49] <Rob1507> Hi, I have a question can anyone help?
[14:50] <xcub> i'm not a mentor, but I could try
[14:57] <Rob1507> Can we use 3rd party material? I mean I have done what the task requires but there can be other problems.
[14:58] <Rob1507> Can I use links to help people when they encounter such problems?
[15:01] <xcub> I just wrote a tutorial and used 3rd party links, I mean if it's for the better of the readers understanding of the content, I wouldn't expect there to be anything wrong with that.
[15:02] <xcub> My tutorial task is still in review so I can't say for sure
[15:02] <Rob1507> What was your task?
[15:03] <flocculant> Rob1507: more to the point - what is your task :)
[15:03] <xcub> Create a simple Bacon 2D tutorial
[15:04] <Rob1507> Installing Ubuntu. I've installed it on VirtualBox but there is screen resolution problem
[15:04] <xcub> flocculant will give you better advice than me :)
[15:04] <flocculant> Rob1507: that's fairly normal for vbox
[15:05] <Rob1507> flocculant: I know, but if there is a way to correct it, will I include it or no?
[15:05] <flocculant> Rob1507: can you link to your task please
[15:06] <Rob1507> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5696325618237440/
[15:07] <flocculant> Rob1507: you could correct it if you know, you can include it in the description - if that's what you mean by using 3rd party, that's fine :)
[15:08] <flocculant> Rob1507: have you tried Guest Additions in vbox? should allow for better resolution(s)
[15:08] <Rob1507> I can include link to, say, to the tutorial in Youtube or in other websites.
[15:09] <flocculant> yea, though it might be better to use ubuntu wiki, if you have to use 3rd party - do so :)
[15:11] <Rob1507> Fine, thank you for help, I will try :)
[15:12] <flocculant> you're welcome :)
[16:25] <Girish> Hey! I submitted this task yesterday but haven't been reviewed yet: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4608447228149760/
[16:25] <Girish> Could someone look into it?
[16:25] <Girish> Thanks!
[16:26] <tsimonq2> popey: ^
[16:54] <adueppen> anyone know where balloons went? (popey, jose)
[16:57] <tsimonq2> adueppen: it's Sunday, be patient :P
[17:00] <adueppen> tsimonq2: it's just a bit weird since usually he's always logged in
[17:01] <tsimonq2> adueppen: it's called idling. I do it, wxl dows it, and so do them
[17:01] <tsimonq2> *does
[17:02] <adueppen> tsimonq2: yeah but you are still usually online
[17:02] <DanChapman> his bouncer probably dropped it's connection while he has been away.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> (I use tmux and irssi and just ssh in when I need it :P)
[17:15] <vatsalsharma376> hi
[17:15] <vatsalsharma376> i need help
[17:15] <tsimonq2> vatsalsharma376: yes?
[17:16] <vatsalsharma376> i am registered for ubuntu bug fixing
[17:17] <vatsalsharma376> i need some help
[17:17] <tsimonq2> vatsalsharma376: can you link me to the task?
[17:18] <vatsalsharma376> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5096114139168768/
[17:20] <tsimonq2> vatsalsharma376: either C or C++ with some graphics libraries
[17:20] <vatsalsharma376> can i quit that task now? plz
[17:22] <tsimonq2> vatsalsharma376: abandon it
[17:22] <vatsalsharma376> how?
[17:24] <Girish> DanChapman : Fixed the typos and edited wherever needed. https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4608447228149760/
[18:08] <smajevicirfan> flocculant, do you know by any chance in which file are the entries for navigation on the qatracker website?
[18:11] <flocculant> smajevicirfan: umm - don't know what you mean - what are you trying to do?
[18:12] <smajevicirfan> i'm trying to add a top 100 page of testers
[18:12] <flocculant> oic
[18:13] <smajevicirfan> flocculant, I made it, but I have to add it to the navigation bar
[18:13] <flocculant> smajevicirfan: sorry - no idea
[18:14] <smajevicirfan> flocculant, ok, thanks anyways
[18:14] <flocculant> smajevicirfan: it's already in the nav bar - on the left, reports, top testers
[18:15] <flocculant> so I assume that all you need do is change it from the current 20 to 100 instead
[18:17] <smajevicirfan> flocculant, well, do I leave the top 20 and add an additional top 100 or just change the top 20 to top 100
[18:17] <smajevicirfan> here's the task: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4605276233662464/
[18:18] <flocculant> yea read the task and the bug
[18:19] <flocculant> don't add an additional item - change existing
[18:24] <Girish> flocculant : I'm getting a 500 Internal Server error while setting up the QA tracker dev environment. CAn you help?
[18:29] <flocculant> Girish: sorry - no I can't
[18:29] <Girish> Okay np.
[19:40] <Girish> DanChapman : Which issues? You haven't commented any issues.
[19:58] <fazer> Does anyone know how to copy the structure of an sql table without the data?
[19:59] <fazer> ahayzen , ^^  any idea? I can't find anything that works for me on stackoverflow
[20:50] <Girish> Does uploading code to Launchpad require you to set up a public key?
[21:14] <dani> hello
[21:37] <xcub> hello kenvandine, I am finished with my Bacon 2D task and have submitted it for review
[21:53] <hjarrell> Is there any way to get my development qa tracker environment to pull bug info so I can test code?
[22:06] <smajevicirfan> hjarrell, what exactly do you mean?
[22:08] <hjarrell> If I add a bug to a testcase result and hover over it I just get "No information about this bug (#...) Bug information are updated every 5 minutes."
[22:13] <smajevicirfan> hjarrell, hmm... I really don't know
[22:14] <hjarrell> Yeah the only thing I can think of is trying to make my own bug in code and pass it to the function
[22:17] <smajevicirfan> hjarrell, you could try that, but it seems like too much work
[22:21] <robbert> darkxst: hey Tim, thank you for accepting my work :) could you let me know when the bugs I submitted will be available as tasks? I'd like to fix one or two of em
[22:23] <darkxst> robbert, hi, no probs. I will try and get them listed today
[22:24] <darkxst> robbert, one in particular you want to start on?
[22:24] <robbert> darkxst: the one with the misplaced button would be nice, if you know which one i mean
[22:25] <robbert> darkxst: and good night, almost mid-night over here :P
[23:45] <krishna_ravi732> Hey, how do i run the dialer app in the ubuntu emulator?
[23:46] <krishna_ravi732> i am trying to deploy it, but its missing a manifest file


[00:47] <Guest31434> I'm running into some issues with initial setup on ubuntu server 12.10
[00:47] <Guest31434> after installation (mythtv-backend-master) and running mythtv-setup and finishing, I am prompted to start mythtv backend
[00:48] <Guest31434> if I say yes, I'm prompted for a password, and regardless of the password I enter, it's wrong
[01:09] <Guest31434> point of clarification: running mythtv-setup as the mythtv user over ssh


[01:32] <i-pink> hii all
[01:35] <i-pink> what i can do about "dependencies" problem
[01:38] <penguin42> depends on the problem
[01:38] <i-pink> this is the error
[01:40] <i-pink> http://pastebin.com/qdKAkj5Z
[01:41] <i-pink> i try to do  sudo apt-get update
[01:42] <i-pink> but it not help me..
[01:47] <penguin42> what happens if you do apt-get install libqt4-svg
[01:49] <i-pink> http://pastebin.com/p7wVVpkz
[01:50] <i-pink> this is the error^
[01:52] <penguin42> do a sudo apt-get update   and then try it again?
[01:52] <penguin42> are you running with any ppas or the like?
[01:53] <i-pink> i have tried that.. but i get the same problem..
[01:53] <penguin42> on 10.10/maverick?
[01:55] <penguin42> ah - lucid?
[01:55] <i-pink> on ubutnu 10.04 LTS
[01:55] <i-pink> 64 bit
[01:55] <penguin42> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-updates/libqt4-svg shows that there is a libqt4-svg version 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 in lucid-updates that is dependent on the 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 that it's trying to install
[01:56] <i-pink> so i need to make update to my ubuntu?
[01:57] <penguin42> no, the fact that it's trying to install some 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 means it should be trying them all
[01:57] <penguin42> what version of libqt4-svg is it trying to install?
[01:57]  * penguin42 needs to go to bed - it's nearly 2am
[01:57] <i-pink> 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5
[01:58] <penguin42> ok, it should be installing 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 I think
[01:58] <penguin42> right, bed
[02:18] <Pr0ph3t> How long will I have to wait before I can use that 3G modem on Linux
[08:47] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/marvell-powered-olpc-xo-1-75-only-draws-2-watts-of-power-finall/
[08:47] <popey> looks familiar :)
[08:49] <lazarus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tajPROM8wk&feature=related awesome
[08:49] <popey> lies
[08:50] <popey> http://youtu.be/cLgu-NR3kQg <- ubuntu powered table computer.. that's awesome :)
[08:57] <AlanBell> yeah, that is the 1.75, same case, different mobo
[09:06] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how are you on this fine sunday morning?
[09:10] <czajkowski> MooDoo: grand kinda wishing my body learnt how to sleep more than 6 hrs though
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah i know that feeling well, and now i'm at work with coffee :S
[09:11] <czajkowski> MooDoo: long weekend working
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah, it's my turn for working the weekend and next two weeks i'm on 3:30 - midnight :(
[09:12] <czajkowski> oucies
[09:12] <czajkowski> ouchies even
[09:12] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:52] <Laney> morning
[09:55] <kvarley> On 10.10 while loading a game I get error "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5". I think 10.10 has the .6 version, is there a way I can do a symbollic link?
[09:56] <Laney> poor phineas :(
[09:58] <popey> s/poor/timewasting lying troll/
[09:58] <Laney> haha
[09:58]  * Laney is learning the recorder!
[09:59] <Laney> only 20 years too late
[09:59]  * popey blocks his ears
[09:59] <Laney> http://arta-recorder.org/ #quality
[10:00] <czajkowski> flash back to primary scholl it was compulsory we learnt it
[10:01]  * MooDoo has a flute, but hasn't picked it up in years
[10:05] <pr0ph3t> hi all, how do I check whether I am running a specific driver or not?
[10:06] <popey> driver for what?
[10:06] <pr0ph3t> it's called asus_laptop
[10:06] <pr0ph3t> it's for specific asus laptops hardware
[10:07] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: which part of it?  screen?  hdd?  ports?
[10:07] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, wifi, wwan controls
[10:07] <pr0ph3t> part of the driver should control the radio on off of my 3g card
[10:08] <pr0ph3t> basically there is a file called wwan which either contains 1 for on, or 0 for off
[10:08] <MooDoo> can't you try grepping for it in dmesg?
[10:09] <livingdaylight> good mornning
[10:10] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I could if I knew how to :P
[10:13] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: get to a prompt and type dmesg | grep <something>   replace the something with what ever you want to look for, for example intel wireless you could put ipw
[10:13] <MooDoo> other than that, not sure
[10:14] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, this is not the same as pipe is it? "¦"
[10:14] <MooDoo> yes it's a pipe
[10:16] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, but this "¦" isn't a pipe
[10:16] <livingdaylight> my volume control appears ot have disappeared from my panel?
[10:16] <livingdaylight> I see the wireless icon ; date and time and username with logout options... but where is the volume control?
[10:17] <popey> pr0ph3t: that is a pipe
[10:17] <pr0ph3t> popey, it works different though, right?
[10:18] <popey> oh, sorry
[10:18] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: just use the one to the left of the Z key, on the backslash [depending on your keyboard]
[10:18] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: my fault, it all looks the same to me :)
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> doh
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> no it's my fault I'm blind
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[10:18] <popey> :)
[10:20] <Andy_> Does anyone know how to set the gamma from boot in maverick? I have a thinkpad with an integrated intel card.
[10:20] <Andy_> tried creating xorg.conf, it gets processed but gamma settings are ignored
[10:22] <livingdaylight> searching in Add to panel I don't see a volume icon?
[10:24] <livingdaylight> I don't know what happened to my volume control but it's disappeared from my panel AND i don't seem to be able to add a new applet from AddtoPanel either?
[10:25] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: is this after a crash or does it happen when you reboot, or would a killall gnome-panel put it back when it restarts?
[10:25] <Andy_> Volume is part of the indicator applet??
[10:25] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: http://www.virtualhelp.me/linux/107-volume-controlicon-is-gone-ubuntu-1004
[10:25] <livingdaylight> MooDoo, gonna try killall gnome-panel... but i noticed it yesterday and rebooting today hasn't fixed it
[10:26] <livingdaylight> I"ve just been told to add the indicator applet
[10:26] <livingdaylight> Andy_, sounds like it (no pun intended)
[10:26] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: yeah the link i sent says install that if you've not got it installed
[10:27] <livingdaylight> thanks guys... adding 'indicator' applet seems to have restsored volume controler on panel
[10:27] <MooDoo> yay o/
[10:27] <Andy_> :)
[10:28] <livingdaylight> *scary moment! :P
[10:29] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: lol :)
[10:37] <pr0ph3t> ok this is the paste bin of syslog when I try to connect with my 3g modem, any ideas why it fails? http://pastebin.com/qHgFryt5
[10:38] <pr0ph3t> that's just the part specific to the 3g connection actually
[10:38] <pr0ph3t> not the whole file
[10:40] <pr0ph3t> any help or suggestion would be much appreciated, I am running natty narwhal fully up to date
[10:41] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: wouldn't have a clue i'm afraid, i've not even thought about natty yet
[10:42] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I think it manages the connection in the same way as maverick does
[10:43] <pr0ph3t> any ideas about the lines 12-13?
[10:44] <MooDoo> non sorry
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> so modem manager opens the device ttyUSB0, in an instant changes the status from disabled to enabling
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> 4 seconds later it changes it to eanbling to disabled
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> anabling*
[10:46] <pr0ph3t> nooo
[10:46] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: take a look at this, see if it helps at all - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1531259
[10:46] <pr0ph3t> enabling*
[10:46] <MooDoo> yes i'm just looking in google :)
[10:48] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I tried sakis3g as well
[11:07] <jacobw> !ping
[11:09] <Laney> really
[11:11] <pr0ph3t> re all
[11:12] <pr0ph3t> I think I found the problem
[11:12] <jacobw> Table tennis players get very annoyed if you call it ping pong
[11:12] <jacobw> Even more annoyed than RMS if you don't say GNU/Linux
[11:12] <pr0ph3t> at boot I get the message "NetworkManager[578]: <info> WWAN now disabled by radio killswitch"
[11:13] <pr0ph3t> so it is a NetworkManager bug, because it activates it and then disables it for no apparent reason
[11:14] <pr0ph3t> I mean it happens everytime at boot, so it's not me pressing the wrong button or something
[11:18] <pr0ph3t> package NetworkManager doesn't exist? what's it called then?
[11:22] <pr0ph3t> is it network-manager?
[11:23] <niall> Hi. I need Ubuntu to support my 6-port serial card. I modified /etc/grub.d/40_custom to add a boot option with some extra kernel options, "config_serial_8250_runtime_uarts=6   config_serial_nr_uarts=6" --- this did not change the listings in /dev, I still only see ttyS0 through ttyS3. Can anyone help? I have posted relevant info with appropriate omissions here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552138/
[11:34] <jenkins> anyone familiar with joomla? I am trying to create a website using a template which I have uploaded, installed and chosen it in Extensions > Template manager but when i visit the site ip (a local one) i don't get any webpage
[11:46] <pr0ph3t> I filed a bug report, let's see the power of the open source community now :P
[11:47] <AlanBell> bug number?
[11:47] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, bug #700627
[11:48] <AlanBell> does the wireless work in Windows?
[11:48] <pr0ph3t> you suggested I should file it, yes I mention that in the bug report
[11:48] <pr0ph3t> I tried to solve it myself
[11:50] <pr0ph3t> but I've run out of ideas
[11:55] <pr0ph3t> I mean it may well be that I didn't do something right, but I think it should be seamless the mobile broadband connection just like it is for other 3g modems
[11:56] <pr0ph3t> I should probably check if the problem is the same in maverick right? or not?
[11:58] <bigcalm> Hi Peeps
[12:01] <Jibadeeha> just tried screenlets and once again i still cannot find a possible use for it
[12:01] <popey> hi bigcalm
[12:01] <popey> bigcalm: last weeks graze box arrived on friday then this weeks arrived yesterday
[12:02] <bigcalm> popey: it's a bit of a joke. Maybe I'll give RM a little longer to settle before taking drastic action
[12:04] <popey> i dont find it that bad
[12:04] <popey> understandable over xmas
[12:04] <bigcalm> Of course
[12:05] <bigcalm> Post seems to have been the only disrupted service here
[12:09] <pr0ph3t> do you know a nice guide to connect two devices with SSH in the same network safely?
[12:13] <bigcalm> Could you be a little more specific?
[12:21] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, I have a nokia n97 with PuTTY and I want to connect to my laptop running ubuntu 11.04 64 bit
[12:21] <bigcalm> So what's wrong with running sshd on the Ubuntu box and connecting to it from the phone?
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> using the same wifi connection
[12:22] <KrimZon> the wireless router or access point might need configuring to allow two wireless devices to talk to each other
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, that it's not installed I guess, I'll try that thanks
[12:23] <KrimZon> if it doesn't work straight away
[12:23] <directhex> apt:openssh-server
[12:23] <bigcalm> open-ssh-server
[12:23] <bigcalm> --
[12:24] <bigcalm> KrimZon: I would be shocked to find a wifi router that doesn't allow internal traffic by default
[12:24] <pr0ph3t> ok I installed it
[12:25] <KrimZon> bigcalm: i've had one or two that didn't, but only for wireless
[12:26] <brobostigon> afternoonings all
[12:26] <bigcalm> pr0ph3t: make sure the service is running and test it by ssh localhost
[12:27] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, working
[12:28] <bigcalm> Good show
[12:28] <bigcalm> Find out the ip address of the ubuntu box with ifconfig and then try connecting to it from your phone
[12:28] <pr0ph3t> doing it right now
[12:29] <pr0ph3t> but I get access denied
[12:30] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: sudo?
[12:32] <pr0ph3t> trying to access the laptop from the phone
[12:32] <MooDoo> ah
[12:39] <MichealH> Hey all :D
[12:47] <pr0ph3t> I need a password to connect to the laptop from my phone, is it the password I use to login or something I need to setup somewhere else?
[12:48] <pr0ph3t> which password is it?
[12:48] <dutchie> login password
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> dutchie, do I need to create one for the new user?
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> for the phone username I mean
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> because if I use the laptop login password it doesn't connect
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> access denied
[12:50] <dutchie> you mean a separate user just for the phone to ssh to?
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> yes
[12:50] <dutchie> should be usual ubuntu username and password
[12:50] <dutchie> you could create a separate user, but it wouldn't be much use
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> so I need to change username
[12:51] <pr0ph3t> on the phone
[12:51] <dutchie> probably
[12:52] <pr0ph3t> yes
[12:52] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[12:54] <pr0ph3t> this is great
[12:58] <pr0ph3t> and can I send a command line to be executed on the laptop console?
[12:58] <pr0ph3t> with like > or similar
[13:02] <brobostigon> whats happened.peoplenot putting subjectlineswhen sending things to the mailing list.
[13:11] <dutchie> pr0ph3t: what do you mean "on the laptop console"? you have a perfectly good shell with ssh
[13:14] <Azelphur> hehe, been building my PC for a few days now :D
[13:14] <Azelphur> fun fun \o/
[13:14] <Azelphur> I run my changes through a power supply calculator and I need an 833w psu before overclocking >.<
[13:15] <Azelphur> so I'm gonna fork out for a 1.2kw psu \o/
[13:17] <marsilainen> need your own power station for that
[13:17] <marsilainen> what takes all that power??
[13:17] <marsilainen> I'm trying to get away with 350W on my new desktop :)
[13:20] <Azelphur> marsilainen: haha
[13:21] <Azelphur> marsilainen: i7 950 @ 3.06ghz, 3x4GB DDR3 1600Mhz, EVGA Superclocked GTX 570, 8800GT, 4 SATA2 10k rpm drives, 1 SSD, 10 USB devices
[13:22] <marsilainen> fair enough :)
[13:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:22] <Azelphur> I'm gonna pull it up on my 850w without the 8800GT
[13:22] <marsilainen> whereas I shall be having 1 HDD and the graphics will be on the motherboard
[13:22] <Azelphur> and see how fast it boots ;)
[13:23] <marsilainen> do your lights dim when you turn it on?
[13:23] <Azelphur> hahaha
[13:24] <Azelphur> marsilainen: probably best to ask if my lights dim when I turn all this on http://game.azelphur.com/forum/official-post-your-rig-thread
[13:24] <Azelphur> ;)
[13:25] <marsilainen> don't think you need any lights on with that lot going
[13:25] <Azelphur> indeed :D
[13:46] <jacobw> !ping
[13:47] <brobostigon> !moo
[13:47] <jacobw> !fail
[13:48] <bigcalm> !ding
[13:48] <jacobw> Hmm, I've lost my connection to Jabber
[13:48] <brobostigon> jacobw: any specific server ?
[13:49] <jacobw> I've just got the domain field in Pidgin set to jabber.org
[13:49] <jacobw> I suppose jabber.org is just one jabber server though
[13:49] <brobostigon> cant confirm, dont use that server.
[13:50] <Azelphur> hmm, I've tried 2 different livecds in my new pc, both of them show the ubuntu logo, drop to busybox and says "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[13:50] <Azelphur> any ideas?
[13:50] <jacobw> Try a live USB?
[13:51] <Azelphur> if I can find where my USB drive got to xD
[13:51] <AlanBell> new CD drive?
[13:52] <Azelphur> old DVD but was working last I checked :p
[14:32] <pr0ph3t> can I execute commands to affect X on the server from an ssh client like putty on my phone? I.e. would be starting gedit, but on the server (my laptop)
[14:33] <pr0ph3t> a nice guide you think I should read?
[14:33] <dutchie> DISPLAY=:0 gedit
[14:33] <dutchie> that should work
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> dutchie: cannot open display
[14:34] <dutchie> hmm, not something i'm familiar with, i'm afraid
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> sorry
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> you were right I'm an idiot
[14:35] <pr0ph3t> thanks dutchie
[14:37] <penguin42> as well as DISPLAY you may have to do something with Xauth, which on modern ubuntu can be messy
[14:38] <pr0ph3t> penguin42, it works perfectly
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> on ubuntu 11.04
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> then it's a matter of controlling the keyboard
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> to edit the file :P
[14:43] <SilverGum> Hello I am trying to use wget command like this: "wget -r -v --level=0 -convert-links --page-requisites -domains http://tadamedia.com/MUSESITE/" But I am unable to download the images, CSS, JS or any other files except the index.html, could you please check and let me know, what I am doing wrong?
[14:44] <pr0ph3t> SilverGum, first thing I think -rv instead of -r -v?
[14:45] <SilverGum> Will that make a difference? But anyways, will try that
[14:45] <pr0ph3t> SilverGum, no idea, but if you give the output maybe
[14:45] <pr0ph3t> pastebin it, someone will have a look
[14:47] <SilverGum> pr0ph3t: http://pastebin.com/hAaikUdX
[14:48] <pr0ph3t> the output, as in the message you get from passing that command
[14:50] <SilverGum> http://pastebin.com/tg89dfYG
[14:51] <popey> no logging doesnt help
[14:52] <SilverGum> popey: The weird thing is that I get this command to work for another site?
[14:52] <popey> read the log
[14:52] <popey> you'll see why it fails
[14:52] <SilverGum> @all: I am a completely noob!
[14:53] <popey> its because the site owner has maintained a robots.txt
[14:53] <popey> which forbids what you're trying to do
[14:53] <SilverGum> popey: Which one are you referring?
[14:53] <popey> Not following http://tadamedia.com/MUSESITE/javascripts/jquery.easing.1.3.js because robots.txt forbids it.
[14:53] <popey> all of them
[14:53] <SilverGum> Can't we disregard the robotos.txt?
[14:53] <popey> you can set wget to ignore robots.txt, but thats rude
[14:53] <SilverGum> :)
[14:54] <popey> I'm sure you can figure it out from the man page but I'm not about to help you do that
[14:54] <SilverGum> Yes, I am a little too newbie, so I guess it is okay :)
[14:54] <SilverGum> popey:  :) Will try to find that, thanks for that tip!
[14:54] <SilverGum> Time to get 'rude' :)
[15:01] <SilverGum> popey: I just read that it is a 'crime' to pose wget as a browser!
[15:01] <SilverGum> ?
[15:02] <SilverGum> I mean in certain countries of course, but don't you think it is lame, though I perfectly understand that we are being 'rude' by downloading like that!
[15:21] <popey> SilverGum: I have a website and yeah, I'd be pretty annoyed if someone was wgetting the whole thing, its rude
[15:21] <SilverGum> popey: I don't disagree about the 'rudeness', but its pretty lame to classifying that as a crime
[15:22] <popey> i was not aware it was a crime
[15:23] <SilverGum> In whatever jurisdiction you are talking about. But, ya, we are living in a paranoid world in which making an internation call could get you executed publicly ;)
[15:23] <SilverGum> popey: Not in US
[15:23] <popey> I am not in the USA
[15:23] <brobostigon> i would be pretty pissed off if i found a copy of my website, out there somewhere,
[15:24] <popey> brobostigon: its not that people take a copy to duplicate the site, more often they are just lazy and figure it's easier to grab an entire site rather than the individual files they 'need'
[15:24] <brobostigon> popey: yes, i agree. i can imagine.
[15:25] <SilverGum> Anyways, thanks everyone. wget did the job. It was pretty neat copy :)
[15:32] <brobostigon>  http://code.google.com/p/moonblink/wiki/Tricorder :) cool,
[15:47] <pr0ph3t> re all
[15:49] <pr0ph3t> is it possible to use the keyboard on my putty client on the ssh server? the server is ubuntu and the client is my phone with putty and qwerty keyboard
[15:50] <pr0ph3t> so that I use the phone as a wireless keyboard
[15:54] <pr0ph3t> just like you set DISPLAY=:0 or something
[15:55] <dutchie> don't know if you can do that with ssh
[15:56] <dutchie> there are android apps that do it
[15:56] <pr0ph3t> sadly I only have symbian os
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> what protocol would they use?
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> obex?
[15:57] <niall> Hey guys. I've been trying all day to get my 6-port serial card to work. I've installed two different versions of the manufacturer supplied drivers, then the same drivers with a patch I found on the Ubuntu forum where someone else got it to work (With an older kernel). Ubuntu still boots with the 8250 serial support instead of using the manufacturer's module. I get /dev/ttyS[0-3] rather than ttyD[0-5] as hoped for. Also pa
[15:57] <niall> ssed parameter 8250.nr_uarts=6 via GRUB2 and it makes no difference. Can anyone help me troubleshoot this problem? Unfortunately 8250 seems built into the current kernel (in 10.10) rather than as a module, so hard for me to override it.. not knowing how to do it. Happy to pastebin any and all info required. Please give any advice you think might help, however remote.
[15:58] <dutchie> pr0ph3t: the one i've used pretends to be a bluetooth keyboard
[16:21] <X3N> Anyone know why the ubuntu-uk launchpad team became a moderated team last week?
[16:22] <czajkowski> X3N: ask Daviey ?
[16:23] <X3N> hmm this is new: "The team subscription policy cannot be Open Team because one or more if its super teams are not open."
[16:25] <gord> texas is cold :(
[16:25] <czajkowski> X3N: is this the team or the ML ?
[16:25] <czajkowski> gord: oh did you bring tea bags this time with you ?
[16:26] <X3N> team, it's being inherited from one of the memeber teams
[16:26] <czajkowski> hmmm
[16:26] <gord> czajkowski, i didn't :(
[16:27] <gord> i'm smart like that
[16:27] <czajkowski> gord: you'd think you'd have learnt by now
[16:27]  * czajkowski sips on her pg Tea :)
[16:27]  * MooDoo sips on his english breakfast tea :p
[16:27]  * brobostigon sups onhis coffee
[16:28] <czajkowski> gord: how long are you there for ?
[16:29] <gord> just the week, not too long
[16:29] <czajkowski> gord: ah not soo bad!
[16:29] <czajkowski> large sprint ?
[16:29] <gord> platform sprint
[16:30] <daubers> gord: Ooooh... should we expect more unity goodness in the coming couple of weeks?
[16:31] <czajkowski> gord: ahh so a busy one
[16:31] <czajkowski> daubers: ELLO!
[16:31] <daubers> czajkowski: o/
[16:31] <gord> daubers, hopefully, holidays have slowed things down but things are picking up again
[16:31] <daubers> gord: \o/ I'm quite excited about unity. Once it's complete and stable it might help a few of my workflow issues :)
[16:32]  * AlanBell looks forward to ccsm not being crashy with unity
[16:33] <gord> ccsm? works fine here
[16:34] <gord> i'v seen it crash when starting plugins before, but thats not a unity issue
[16:35] <Azelphur> hmm, I just installed Ubuntu on my new PC, It goes through the BIOS and then it just hangs at a black flashing cursor
[16:37] <Azelphur> it runs live ok :S
[16:39] <Azelphur> anyone? o.O
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: strange.. what kind of disk controller does it have?
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> some on-board SATA thing?
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> can you see it in the bios?
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> on which port is it (number)
[16:41] <Azelphur> yes, on board sata
[16:41] <Azelphur> and yes I can see the HDD in the bios
[16:41] <Azelphur> it's on port 3.
[16:41] <Azelphur> correction, 4 :p
[16:42] <Azelphur> lol system date 2002
[16:42] <Azelphur> I should probably set up the bios properly, that might help
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> and it's not even loading grub?
[16:42] <Azelphur> nope, no grub no nothing.
[16:42] <Azelphur> just a blinking cursor.
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> wow :)
[16:47] <Azelphur> still just sits there :(
[16:52] <Azelphur> it boots from liveusb
[16:52] <Azelphur> and all the data seems to be on the hdd
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could try re-installing grub in the MBR
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> that might work
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> or check if the bios is EFI/UEFI, and use some EFI boot loader thing (don't know about those really)
[16:53] <Azelphur> it may well be UEFI, it's very new equipment
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> sandy bridge cpu?
[17:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: 10.10 ?
[17:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, i7 950
[17:01] <Azelphur> penguin42: yes
[17:02] <Azelphur> I'm trying a fresh install with only the SSD connected, so that way there can't be any issues with grub being on the wrong drive or other weirdness.
[17:05] <Azelphur> it's aliiiive
[17:05] <Azelphur> 2 second boot
[17:05] <Azelphur> woo.
[17:06] <Azelphur> excluding bios time
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> how many cores does that i7 have? :)
[17:07] <Azelphur> 4 or 8 with hyperthreading
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> cool
[17:13] <Azelphur> lol just timed it
[17:13] <Azelphur> 2 seconds seemed a little extreme
[17:13] <Azelphur> 24 seconds from bios to grub, 14 seconds from grub to login
[17:15] <daubers> Azelphur: What was the issue in the end?
[17:15] <moreati> Any empathy users here: is the contact list showing yourself as an online contact?
[17:15] <Azelphur> daubers: I dunno, I ripped all the other drives out and installed, it probably put grub on the wrong drive and it caused issues *shrug*
[17:16] <daubers> Azelphur: Not had a drive in that had previously had grub on it?
[17:16] <MooDoo> moreati: does the contact list show yourself as an online user??  no i don't think it does this
[17:16] <Azelphur> yes I did have a drive that previously had grub on it
[17:16] <daubers> That may have been it
[17:16] <daubers> MBR may not have been cleared correctly on that drive
[17:16] <Azelphur> maybe :)
[17:17] <Azelphur> but yea, 14 second boot :D
[17:17] <Azelphur> sweet.
[17:17] <moreati> MooDoo: To be clearer: mine is, I'm trying to work out if this is normal
[17:17] <MooDoo> moreati: strange, mine has never shown, then again i've never look at options to see if it's one
[17:26] <marsilainen> how do I set the date format that ubuntu/gnome uses?
[17:26] <marsilainen> all my dates show as 9/1/2011 or whatever
[17:27] <marsilainen> I'd like them to show as 2011-01-09
[17:27] <marsilainen> I thought that this would be in the preferences somewhere, but I can't seem to find it
[17:30] <moreati> marsilainen: I've just looked myself, seems eiher a surprising ommission or I missed it
[17:39] <moreati> marsilainen: do you want it changed everywhere, or just in the clock? if the former then http://choorucode.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/ubuntu-date-time-format-of-panel-clock/ looks promising
[17:40] <marsilainen> moreati: ideally I would like to change it everywhere that short format date shows up
[17:40] <marsilainen> moreati: so that it appears in ISO format in things like thunderbird too
[17:40] <marsilainen> I think that maybe the way is to change my LC_TIME environment variable
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> is there a command to show active ttys?
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: ls /dev/tty* /dev/pty/* ?
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: those exist.. but "active" in what way?
[17:47] <pr0ph3t> hi there
[17:48] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I am running putty on my nokia connected to my ubuntu workstation with wifi
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> "tty's with logged-in people"? "w" or "who"
[17:49] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, and I am trying to find a way to use the remote keyboard on the server
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> why would you? just ssh into the machine and you can use it like you're sitting at it
[17:50] <czajkowski> gord: will Unity work/be usable on a mini 9 ?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> you can't send keystrokes to other ttys (easily)
[17:50] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, that is what I am doing
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> done then
[17:51] <pr0ph3t> but I want to use it as the actual keyboard
[17:51] <pr0ph3t> so when I type something it doesn't go as a command but as a simple keystroke
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> that's not possible
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> unless it's X, but then you'd need to start a vnc server (and use a vnc client)
[17:52] <moreati> pr0ph3t: why do you want to do that? What are you trying to achieve?
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> moreati++
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> moreati, to use the nokia keyboard as a wireless keyboard
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is it bluetooth? just connect the bluetooth.. done!
[17:53] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it is bluetooth
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> but it is the phone keyboard, it's an n97 phone with a qwerty keyboard
[17:54] <moreati> 1) You have a Nokia gadget with a keyboard 2) You want a wireless keyboard
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: so you set your keyboard in "discoverable" mode, then connect to it (using the bluetooth icon on your desktop)
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> ah
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> it's not a bluetooth keyboard
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> not
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> I don't think there's ready-made software to do this
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> dutchie said there is for android
[17:54] <moreati> I take it you concluded 3) I shall use the nokia as a keyboard
[17:55] <dutchie> PRemoteDroid is the android app i have used
[17:55] <moreati> pr0ph3t: I would suggest 3) buy a chepo wireless keyboard, save a lot of hassle
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> moreati, it's just for fun I think, a challenge
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> I have a wireless mouse and also I have a laptop
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to write/get some software to install on the nokia that uses the Nokia's bluetooth system to present itself as a bluetooth keyboard
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> so I don't actually need it
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> good luck with that :)
[17:57] <moreati> MartijnVdS++
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, so bluetooth would be easier you think
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> "easier"
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> getting a bluetooth keyboard will be easier.. doing it over ssh will be Hard
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> but what I thought in my rusty mind is that my nokia is acting a terminal, keyboard + monitor
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> (because ssh daemon doesn't know about your X session at all)
[17:58] <moreati> s/easier/the only possibility I can think of/
[17:58] <popey> X3N: i would imagine Daviey might know?
[17:59] <pr0ph3t> so my keystrokes are saved into a buffer, sent to the server, the command executed and then sent back to the terminal screen
[17:59] <pr0ph3t> the output
[18:00] <popey> X3N: i would also ask in #launchpad
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> that's what ssh is
[18:00] <pr0ph3t> yes
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> but if I could capture the text sent to the server
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> you can't
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> well you could start a program in an ssh session
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> but that program won't have a way to communicate with X
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> you could create a way, but it'll be messy
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> a bit like "Wake up Neo....."
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> movies aren't real
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> yes but you can replicate that
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> with the client server idea
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> I think you should try reading about the different ways in which input/output work in X and without X
[18:03] <ali1234> use uinput
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> then you'll understand it's harder than it seems
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: scary!
[18:04] <ali1234><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:04] <ali1234> it's actually trivial to do this
[18:04] <ali1234> http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/inputpipe/uinput/uinput.txt
[18:05] <ali1234> http://codegrove.org/projects/python-uinput/
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> that scares me more for security reasons than anything else
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> how does X (for example) know it's a "faked" keystroke instead of a real one
[18:07] <ali1234> it doesn't
[18:07] <ali1234> thats why you have to be root to use uinput
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> it's still scary :)
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, you heard of rinputd?
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> !rinputd
[18:16] <pr0ph3t> it's not in the stable repos
[18:16] <ali1234> nope
[18:18] <ducbian__> Isn't this what bluemote did / does?
[18:20] <pr0ph3t> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoteInput/rinputd
[18:21] <pr0ph3t> ducbian__, yes I think it is
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> it looks like there are a lot of those applications around already
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> http://tuxmobil.org/bluetooth_cell_apps.html
[20:04] <AlanBell> X3N: is that because https://launchpad.net/~locoteams is a moderated team?
[20:05] <AlanBell> that would be a superteam of ubuntu-uk
[20:06] <AlanBell> and if that is the case then someone has introduced a bit of a launchpad fail to fix some other situation
[20:08] <ipopey> Moo
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Evening all
[20:10] <ipopey> Hey TheOpenSourcerer, you on hols?
[20:10] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer, are you there?
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lol - nope. On an OpenERP training course tomorrrow. Think I'd do Belgium for a HOLIDAY?
[20:11] <ipopey> Heh
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: yES.
[20:11] <AlanBell> nice hotel?
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very.
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just been to the Hotel's "Grill" for dinner.
[20:11] <penguin42> good chocolate?
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> More steak than you can shake a very large stick at.
[20:12] <AlanBell> nom
[20:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> penguin42: Don't know.
[20:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: And they have d'agneau :-)
[20:13] <AlanBell> ooh, lovely
[20:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> The drive was very easy. And Google Navigation now caches.
[20:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do the route 1hr before you leave home.
[20:13] <ipopey> Blimey. You drove?
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> All the maps will be in the cache.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> No data
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just don't go too far off-piste
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> ipopey: Yes.
[20:14] <AlanBell> cool
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2hrs home to Eurotunnel.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2hrs the other side.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> About 5 in total.
[20:15] <ipopey> Not bad
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quicker than flying...
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's door-door
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I didn't go above 90mph
[20:16] <ipopey> Heh, not quicker than when I used to fly out there
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not too Namur...
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\too\to
[20:17] <ipopey> Is is in Brussels?
[20:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.tanneurs.com/en/index.html
[20:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> No
[20:18] <ipopey> What area of Openerp is the course about?
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=openerp,+tiny&sll=51.187956,-0.812557&sspn=0.006859,0.021136&ie=UTF8&hq=openerp,+tiny&hnear=&radius=15000&ll=50.640317,4.86351&spn=0.111043,0.338173&z=12
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm on the "functional" course.
[20:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Is on the Dev's course next week.
[20:20]  * AlanBell is non-functional
[20:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> oh dear...
[20:21] <ipopey> Are the courses expensive?
[20:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Define "expensive"?
[20:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's 5 days.
[20:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> And we got two course seats for free for joining their partner programme.
[20:22] <ipopey> Well, sap ones are something like 3600 for a week
[20:22] <ipopey> Nice
[20:22] <ipopey> Although my knowledge of sap course prices is dated
[20:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> These are a bit less I think. The RRP is about €2750 IIRC.
[20:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Here we go. €2500: http://openerpfunctrain27.eventbrite.com/
[20:25] <ipopey> Hmm, sap website not giving details
[20:26] <ipopey> Interesting byo laptop
[20:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - they give you a VM.
[20:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenSource FTW!
[20:29] <Azelphur> ipopey: 14 seconds from grub to login on my new machine :D
[20:29] <Azelphur> with a stock 10.10 install
[20:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am waiting to digest (slightly) 1/2tonne of Entrecote de Beouf before venturing out for a nightcap.
[20:29] <ipopey> Sloooow!
[20:29] <Azelphur> :o
[20:29] <ipopey> ;)
[20:29] <Azelphur> lol
[20:30] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/January%202011/IMG_20110109_023737.jpg is also amusing
[20:30] <Azelphur> they really need to put more space between pci-e slots.
[20:30] <kvarley> is there  a torrent for 11.04 alpha 1, not getting a great speed from the server
[20:32] <ipopey> Yes
[20:32] <ipopey> Releases.ubuntu.com
[21:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> 9pm and I think dinner has just subsided enough for a walk... Laterz all.
[21:24] <bigcalm> web devs: TinyMCE or CKEditor or something else?
[21:27] <czajkowski> evening folks
[21:29] <dutchie> lo czajkowski
[21:38] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:05]  * AlanBell wavieys at Daviey o/
[23:41] <shauno> hamitron: you were asking the other night about support lengths for server vs desktop packages.  did you find it?
[23:43] <ali1234> i asked about that once and someone told me the answer
[23:43] <ali1234> if you search the logs you might find it
[23:44] <ali1234> i forgot what it is... but on some field in the package description it says 3Y, 5Y etc
[23:45] <shauno> yeah, apt-cache show | grep ^Support.  it's slap-your-forehead obvious once you see it :)
[23:45] <ali1234> ah here we go
[23:45] <ali1234> yeah
[23:45] <shauno> but he left before I came on that night :(
[23:58] <hamitron> ty guys