[06:52] <uga> I hadn't noticed ubuntu had enabled that flag
[06:54] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: it says : you choose to open ... which is a bin file... would u like to save the file?"
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> meh
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> http://konquefox.free.fr/#download
[06:55] <n8k99> Vermux: are you doing this from within Konqueror or Firefox?
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> the instructions to install it are right there.
[06:56] <uga> taht adds acronym and kioslave support to firefox in a matter of seconds :P
[06:56] <Capt_Carrot> uga: you can't make decisions like that for people.  they can use whatever they like, even if you don't approve
[06:56] <Capt_Carrot> and it breaks firefox as well :)
[06:56] <uga> Capt_Carrot: it was a joke
[06:57] <uga> Capt_Carrot: what do you think people would do if I went to #ubuntu and I told somebody to use k3b to burn CDs?
[06:57] <Vermux> n8k99: firefox
[06:57] <uga> sure I'd get "better" app suggestions
[06:57] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: it open it with something called ARk
[06:57] <Capt_Carrot> not really
[06:58] <stdin> uga: a lot of people who use gnome also use k3b
[06:58] <uga> Capt_Carrot: if not, it means the channel is dead ;)
[06:58] <n8k99> intereesting- it should give you an extensions installation dialog
[06:58] <uga> stdin: I know, but you think they'll admit that in #ubuntu channel?
[06:58] <Capt_Carrot> because there's nothing better to burn in linux than k3b, that one's pretty much not debatable :)
[06:58] <uga> stdin: they don't possibly ship it by default
[06:58] <Vermux> n8k99:  it doesnt
[06:58] <Capt_Carrot> now, if you had said something about media players...
[06:58] <stdin> uga: sure, some admit it. there's even some kde users in there :p
[06:58] <n8k99> great

[06:59] <Capt_Carrot> i still use amarok even on gnome
[06:59] <Capt_Carrot> why?  it's the best out there *for me*
[06:59] <uga> Capt_Carrot: I could suggest somebody to use kaffeine  for dvb, and I'd be tagged as troll ;)
[06:59] <uga> stdin: lol
[06:59] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: when I click on install it opens the source code
[07:00] <uga> stdin: if there's something good about *buntu is that applications having similar styling, they don't look like aliens
[07:01] <uga> stdin: the most annoying leftover of the style cloning process is possibly the filemanager
[07:01] <Vermux> help
[07:01] <stdin> uga: I use qtcurve, so it makes the apps look the same (mostly)
[07:01] <snellpojke> do someone know why i got this look http://www.fuskbugg.se/pub/misc/Ubuntu.JPG
[07:01] <snellpojke> plz need help
[07:02] <uga> stdin: polyester here. Just fine.  I dont c that option
[07:03] <Spider_Pig> what is what is?
[07:03] <uga> snellpojke: the kernel is the center part of your operating system.   Don't use such words =)
[07:06] <ubotu> snellpojke: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:06] <bittin> snellpojke: iam trying to get my dad over =)
[07:06] <snellpojke> ubotu sry
[07:06] <bittin> but dunno how
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sry - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, i think you need to get another ubuntu cd ; )
[07:06] <snellpojke> i got 3
[07:06] <snellpojke> haha
[07:06] <snellpojke> all works on my laptop
[07:06] <uga> snellpojke: did you install feisty? or gutsy
[07:06] <snellpojke> what is feisty
[07:07] <uga> feisty is the latest stable release
[07:07] <uga> gutsy is the beta release of the next version
[07:07] <arash> latest version of (k)ubuntu
[07:07] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: if it unsiged it is safe?
[07:07] <snellpojke> i dont know do i need it?
[07:07] <DrakeJustice_unt> what special hardware does the computer that gives this error have?
[07:07] <DrakeJustice_unt> is it old?
[07:07] <snellpojke> yeah
[07:07] <snellpojke> quite old 3 years
[07:07] <snellpojke> a 60 gb
[07:07] <Vermux> uga: if it unsiged it is safe?
[07:08] <uga> Vermux: you can't tell
[07:08] <DrakeJustice_unt> hmmm, is it an e-machine?
[07:08] <Vermux> konquefox
[07:08] <snellpojke> if anyone know how to fix it msg me ;P its too many who talks at the sametime
[07:08] <uga> snellpojke: uhm... and the live CD booted fine? ie, this happenned after completely installing it?
[07:08] <Vermux> uga: konquefox
[07:08] <uga> snellpojke: if the live CD booted, maybe I know the solution
[07:09] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: possibly booting up the live CD, chrooting and updating packages (kernel at least) should do
[07:09] <uga> as I understand the live CD worked fine
[07:09] <DrakeJustice_unt> uga, maybe
[07:09] <uga> then it doesn't need any weird kernel
[07:09] <uga> just a non-broken one
[07:09] <snellpojke> no i dont even get in to the operative system or what i called
[07:09] <Vermux> uga: is konquefox safe?
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> uga, only a redirect to the default (old) kernel image should do as well
[07:10] <uga> Vermux: I don't know it. Never used it myself
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> vmlinuz and initrd aren't usually removed
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> ^ during upgrades
[07:10] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: it's the first install
[07:10] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: he just installed it, he said
[07:11] <DrakeJustice_unt> you can get to a busybox from the livedisc can't you? and 'ed' works fine doesn't it?
[07:11] <cj_> DrakeJustice_unt: of course
[07:11] <snellpojke> the live cd didnt boot
[07:11] <DrakeJustice_unt> kubuntu may still be too much for newbs... try SLinux man... bunch of 'easiness' hacks to kubuntu
[07:12] <Vermux> uga:  ok I cancell the downlaod
[07:12] <deviance> !LTS
[07:12] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:12] <deviance> Whens the next LTS?
[07:12] <deviance> !nextlts
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nextlts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> ubuntu harod will be the next LTS
[07:12] <stdin> deviance: gutsy+1 (8.04)
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> 8.04 or something like that
[07:12] <deviance> Ah okay
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> yeah
[07:12] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: you don't need that. Just mount /dev/sda1 or whatever the root dir is. Then chroot /mnt.  I don't want to privmsg-spam you =)
[07:13] <deviance> :D
[07:14] <DrakeJustice_unt> (at the same stage of development)
[07:14] <snellpojke> no one is helping me :(
[07:14] <snellpojke> xD
[07:14] <taki> hola gente!!
[07:14] <taki> buenas tardes!!!
[07:14] <taki> como andan???? :D
[07:14] <arash> !sp |taki
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <stdin> !es
[07:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:14] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, try to use SLinux instead, that machine may not work well with the ubuntu cd you have
[07:15] <uga> snellpojke: okay... just follow me then. What did you do to get that screen. You installed kubuntu already, or you tried booting from the CD and didn't work
[07:15] <snellpojke> tried boot from cd
[07:15] <uga> okay, so the kernel in the CD failed booting in your machine, badly
[07:16] <uga> there's no install, there's nothing to fix
[07:16] <snellpojke> ok
[07:16] <uga> snellpojke: now, that CD is possibly feisty one
[07:16] <uga> it may be that the gutsy CD (the beta version) boots fine on your box
[07:16] <snellpojke> ok where can i get gutsy
[07:17] <uga> that's what I'm looking for right now
[07:17] <stdin> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[07:17] <uga> stdin: what's the latest... tribe5?
[07:17] <uga> or do you suggest a daily...
[07:17] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[07:17] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[07:17] <stdin> beta1
[07:17] <uga> ahk
[07:17] <snellpojke> fuck i dont have any cd left i try it tomorrow thanks anyway
[07:17] <snellpojke> sry
[07:17] <DrakeJustice_unt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[07:17] <snellpojke> badword
[07:18] <snellpojke> again
[07:18] <stdin> DrakeJustice_unt: that's outdated
[07:18] <DrakeJustice_unt> oh?
[07:18] <DrakeJustice_unt> sry
[07:18] <uga> snellpojke: okay... good luck. if it doesn't boot, maybe the alternate-cd installs (in the same address stdin told you right now) could work
[07:18] <uga> snellpojke: but I expect the gutsy ones to boot just fine
[07:18] <fawx> hello i was wondering does kunbuntu have a like a task manager like windows nd if so whut is it called..?
[07:19] <snellpojke> ok
[07:19] <cj_> fawx: top
[07:19] <uga> fawx: press ctrl+esc
[07:19] <fawx> kk
[07:19] <fawx> thx
[07:19] <uga> fawx: the name is ksysguard
[07:19] <cj_> damn gui for everything ;o
[07:20] <fawx> just 4 kno
[07:20] <DrakeJustice_unt> im not sure that the gutsy kernel will boot with smp_send_stop freaking out either... that hasn't been modified much in the kernel changes
[07:21] <snellpojke> thanks for all help
[07:22] <glenn> Hey guys, how do I connect to my wireless network?
[07:22] <glenn> I just threw on a cord for now
[07:23] <uga> !wifi
[07:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:23] <genii> !wireless | glenn
[07:23] <ubotu> glenn: please see above
[07:23] <Vermux> uga: how do I c my files like in windows (my computer)?
[07:23] <glenn> Alright, thanks
[07:23] <genii> uga: heh
[07:23] <uga> lol
[07:23] <genii> Vermux: Konqueror
[07:24] <HanzZ> hi i know, that this is not good channel for asking for help...
[07:25] <Vermux> uga:  is this the only way?
[07:25] <dettoaltrimenti> is there a gui program where I can connect to a wireless router that uses WEP?
[07:25] <dettoaltrimenti> knetworkmanager doesn't seem to have the option to put a WEP password in
[07:25] <uga> Vermux: what do you mean by seeing like in windows. konqueror is like Internet Explorer
[07:26] <uga> Vermux: both are used to see files or browsing the web
[07:27] <Vermux> uga:  Ic, in windows I used IE for browsing and My computer/my documents to access drives and files
[07:27] <uga> Vermux: when, in windows, you open My Computer, that's internet explorer
[07:27] <uga> it's the same application
[07:27] <DrakeJustice_unt> Vermux, get the program wine-doors and install Internet Explorer and My Computer then...
[07:27] <uga> Vermux: ignore DrakeJustice_unt's sarcastic comments =)
[07:28] <genii> Vermux: The nearest think in kubuntu to Windows Explorer for files/system is Konqueror
[07:28] <genii> *thing
[07:28] <uga> Vermux: do you have a "home" icon in your taskbar, on bottom? just click it. That's like your My Documents
[07:28] <stdin> Vermux: you see the little computer icon in the bottom panel? click that
[07:28] <uga> Vermux: "home"=="place to store your files" in linux
[07:28] <uga> stdin: oh, kubuntu doesn't ship with the home icon by default?
[07:28] <uga> I thought it did
[07:28] <stdin> uga: no, it's in that menu
[07:29] <stdin> (tho I made a separate home button :)
[07:29] <DrakeJustice_unt> where is a more serious room, about kubuntu internal junk? anyone?
[07:29] <DrakeJustice_unt> kiddies anger me
[07:29] <stdin> you mean -devel ?
[07:30] <Vermux> uga: I dont have home icon, I have system menu and there I have home folder
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> kubuntu-devel?
[07:30] <stdin> Vermux: that's it
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> k thx
[07:30] <stdin> DrakeJustice_unt: yep
[07:30] <uga> stdin: he means a place where everyone knows about kubuntu, and there's no need to explain windows replacements =)
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> im not a freenoder
[07:30] <Vermux> stdin: how do I create icon on the taskbar for that?
[07:31] <uga> Vermux: I have a home icon added to the taskbar (kicker) myself. You can customise it
[07:31] <uga> that's why I thought you'd have one too
[07:32] <Vermux> uga: how do I add that icon?
[07:32] <Alp`> how to change the login screen? i upgraded to gutsy but i dont like the new appearance. i want to remove the userlist on the left side
[07:32] <stdin> Alp`: have you seen the topic?
[07:32] <sainzeo> anyone know the channel for kubuntu gutys?
[07:32] <sainzeo> gutsy
[07:32] <uga> Vermux: just drag and drop it from konqueror
[07:33] <genii> /topic
[07:33] <uga> Vermux: ie, open / in konqueror. Then grab the "home" folder, and drag it to the bar
[07:33] <uga> it'll add a new icon there
[07:33] <uga> genii: topic was set by uga on the 16th of Dec 2k3:  windows vista. How to uninstall
[07:34] <Alp`> stdin: ok sorry
[07:34] <genii> uga: :)
[07:34] <andrea> how can i set konversation as the default irc client instead of kopete?
[07:34] <Vermux> uga:  it gave me 2 options: ass it as quick browser or as file manager
[07:35] <uga> Vermux: file manager url
[07:35] <uga> that will open the file manager (konqueror) when clicking it
[07:35] <Vermux> I didnt click on anything
[07:36] <andrea> where to i set up default applications for the different protocols
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I got a little shell script in my .kde/Autostart Dir. its executable. it starts with #!/bin/bash
[07:37] <Vermux> uga: ok
[07:37] <Dr_willis> but KDE loads it into the text editor when starting up.
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Am i missing someting basic here.. heh. its only a 2 line script
[07:37] <buntux> is it so hard to get a  simple question answered
[07:37] <Vermux> uga:  somanaging files and browsing use the same application both linux and windows?
[07:38] <uga> Vermux: yes
[07:38] <Dr_willis> buntux,  depends on the  question, and whos here at the time
[07:38] <cj_> Dr_willis: whats the script look like?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[07:38] <Dr_willis> conky
[07:38] <uga> Vermux: that will not be true for the next versions of kde though. The default file manager and the browser will be seaparate applications
[07:38] <Dr_willis> Thats it.. 2 lines. :)
[07:39] <Vermux> Ic
[07:39] <dhq> fdoving, Dr_willis, hey i have a college project i have to design anything and i have thought of a linux operating system a compact one can you guide me
[07:40] <cj_> Dr_willis: very strange - what permissions does it have? and if you call bash ../script.sh does it do the same thing?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> dhq,  guide in what way? :) its been done at least 3 times that i can know of..
[07:40] <dhq> 3times???
[07:40] <Dr_willis> cj_,  hmm perhaps the name of 'conky' is not a good idea. :) it may be confusing it
[07:41] <Dr_willis> dhq,  mini linux disrtos, DSL, Puppylinux, Featurelinux
[07:41] <Dr_willis> theres probely others. :)
[07:41] <cj_> Dr_willis: best to use absolute paths for a few reasons :)
[07:41] <dhq> Dr_willis, well i have to design it
[07:41] <Dr_willis> cj_,  ok.. now to test it. :)
[07:43] <Dr_willis> that kicked it in the head. :)
[07:43] <cj_> hehe
[07:43] <Dr_willis> renamed it to StartConky.sh and gave full path to conky
[07:43] <cj_> did you maybe have a file called conky lying around
[07:44] <Dr_willis> not sure. :) the name was 'conky' in the autostart dir.
[07:44] <Dr_willis> so perhaps it was calling itself
[07:44] <Vermux> uga: so I started to follow the directions in the link u sent me. I saved the key file but cannot find it
[07:44] <cj_> i bet PATH has .: before `which conky`
[07:45] <Vermux> uga: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[07:45] <dhq> Dr_willis, well so its conky ???
[07:45] <Dr_willis> willis@Moo:~/bin(35.205 Mb)$ echo $PATH
[07:45] <Dr_willis> /home/willis/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Well its working now. :) gotta have my purty system monitor going
[07:45] <uga> Vermux: it's possibly in your /home directory
[07:45] <cj_> lol
[07:45] <Dr_willis> I spend hours twiddling the conky configs
[07:46] <uga> Vermux: it's called kubuntu-packages-riddell....gpg
[07:46] <cj_> i've never used it
[07:46] <uga> Vermux: else just try downloading it again and make sure you choose your home directory
[07:47] <snellpojke> uga do you recomend a burning program
[07:47] <snellpojke> ?
[07:47] <spa_zero> Hi all
[07:47] <uga> snellpojke: k3b
[07:47] <snellpojke> hi spa_zero
[07:47] <spa_zero> I have a problem upgrading gutsy beta.
[07:48] <spa_zero> The error is here: http://pastebin.com/d777c218c
[07:48] <uga> spa_zero: read the topic
[07:48] <cj_>  snellpojke: cdrecord/growisofs
[07:48] <snellpojke> spa_zero then you haven't seen my problem lol xD
[07:48] <spa_zero> uga: in a nutshell it says: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[07:49] <spa_zero> uga: and I cannot see the relation to the topic ...
[07:49] <snellpojke> is it an easy program?
[07:49] <bittin> Norton 2006 fixed dads problem
[07:49] <cj_> i can reproduce that problem too spa_zero
[07:49] <bittin> and about linux he answered: mmm
[07:49] <bittin> its anyways better then vist
[07:49] <bittin> *vista
[07:49] <bittin> but xp is still living :D
[07:49] <spa_zero> snellpojke: What is your problem?
[07:50] <snellpojke> i cant even boot ubunto
[07:50] <snellpojke> ubuntu
[07:50] <spa_zero> snellpojke: Which version on what hardware? (sorry, but I have missed all that :)
[07:51] <spa_zero> cj_: ok, so what can we do about it? Has it been reported as a bug yet?
[07:51] <snellpojke> i will try the new beta vesrsion now see you guys
[07:51] <epsilorn> hey boys, have you got problems with aptitude since last update
[07:51] <epsilorn> ?
[07:52] <spa_zero> epsilorn: Depends on how you define problems
[07:52] <epsilorn> i cannot update anymore
[07:52] <cj_>  spa_zero, who knows - try not to forget you are running a beta release
[07:52] <epsilorn> it says another process is using apt
[07:52] <epsilorn> but that's not true
[07:52] <peter_> opgrade to ubuntu 7.10 when where ?
[07:52] <spa_zero> cj_: Indeed. That's why I think reporting the bug is important? They need the feedback?
[07:52] <cj_> epsilorn: ar you sure? try using lsof
[07:52] <Dr_willis> ya do the fix apt fix yet?
[07:52] <Dr_willis> !fixapt
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <spa_zero> epsilorn: then you have to delete the "lock" file.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> !aptfix
[07:52] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:52] <peter_> opgrade to ubuntu 7.10 when where ?
[07:53] <cj_> spa_zero: knock yourself out :)
[07:53] <spa_zero> cj_: The bug report tool is silly, I am behind a proxy and it ignores proxy settings. Hence it is not working.
[07:53] <spa_zero> cj_: So where can I report "manually"?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> file a bug on the bug reporting tool. :)
[07:54] <cj_> spa_zero: does it not accept the http_proxy environment variable?
[07:54] <Vermux> uga: it is being installed now. I hope gmail will work with kq after
[07:54] <spa_zero> peter_: When it is ready and from within your favourite package manager :)
[07:54] <spa_zero> cj_: Nope.
[07:54] <epsilorn> the output of lsof is enormous how can i find what i'm searching for?
[07:54] <spa_zero> epsilorn: use "grep"?
[07:54] <cj_> spa_zero: i'm sure googling "ubuntu bug report" will show what you need
[07:55] <ubuntu_> test
[07:55] <spa_zero> epsilorn: lsof | grep "what you are looking for"
[07:55] <spa_zero> cj_: Thanks for the hint. What is google?? ;-)
[07:55] <ubuntu_> my first time with kubuntu. doing the live-cd
[07:56] <spa_zero> ubuntu_: Congratulations.
[07:56] <spa_zero> ubuntu_: maybe you should change your nick :)
[07:56] <cj_> spa_zero: i could well believe that quesion is real after an hour or so of observing this channel
[07:56] <spa_zero> epsilorn: also see "man lsof" on how to narrow down the results in the first place.
[07:56] <thekooki3guy> http://tinyurl.com/8ty
[07:57] <ubuntu_> spa_zero: nono,it was just a test, nowimleavig
[07:57] <spa_zero> cj_: Do not despair :)
[07:57] <epsilorn> spa_zero: thx a lot
[07:57] <ubuntu_> chau
[07:57] <glenn> Wow
[07:57] <glenn> That was a awsome link :]
[07:57] <thekooki3guy> glenn, thanks! :)
[07:57] <Luminata> lol
[07:57] <peter_> thx
[07:57] <Vermux> uga: how do I c the size of the current installation. it shows % but I dont know the size.
[07:58] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM.... for user for portugal...
[07:58] <bittin> i got my dad to say he should try a live cd
[07:58] <spa_zero> cj_: At least you can reproduce the error. So I feel less stupid.
[07:58] <bittin> thats a big forward
[07:58] <thekooki3guy> Vermux, this page will show you -> http://tinyurl.com/8ty
[07:58] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help
[07:58] <earl_> someone ban thekooki3guy please
[07:58] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: what exactly is the problem? And what kind of Modem is that?
[07:59] <earl_> i'm pretty sure tubgirl, twice, is a bannable offense
[07:59] <cj_> spa_zero: i just uninstalled cups - i have a real printer so no need for silly ppd nonsense - lpr/lpd all the way :)
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: please stop, or else you will get banned
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: this is your last warning
[07:59] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM for linux kubuntu 6.06
[07:59] <thekooki3guy> coreymon77, I had a warning?
[07:59] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help....
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: consider this your warning
[08:00] <thekooki3guy> hey guys.. I need help installing beryl and duel booting vista.. it'z the sux0rz
[08:00] <coreymon77> !patience | |_James_Bond_|
[08:00] <ubotu> |_James_Bond_|: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:00] <uga> Vermux: type "df -h" in the terminal
[08:01] <uga> Vermux: not sure whre you are looking though
[08:01] <cj_> uga: no gui?? wtf??
[08:01] <epsilorn> ubotu: thx your workaround made the trick! What's fuser by the way?
[08:01] <Vermux> uga: adept manager
[08:01] <uga> cj_: any help is welcome =) Is there a fs gui? =)
[08:01] <thekooki3guy> I don't have any gui, either.. just some black text.. trying to install beryl and vista.. plz help!
[08:01] <uga> Vermux: ah... a second
[08:01] <blekos> hello, i am looking 4 smg like flashget and flashgot (mozilla addon) 4 linux, any suggestions?
[08:01] <spa_zero> cj_: I never explicitly asked for cups to be installed. It is a default thing.
[08:02] <epsilorn> ubotu: are you a bot?
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about are you a bot? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <coreymon77> epsilorn: yes, ubotu is a bot
[08:02] <cj_> uga: no idea - i never realised there was a gui for top(1) until you said so
[08:02] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: I cannot help if you do not answer the questions.
[08:02] <Mr_Sonoma> epsilorn: yes ubotu is a bot
[08:02] <ijacek> :D
[08:02] <epsilorn> ahah fantastic ubotu gave me the right suggestion
[08:03] <coreymon77> spa_zero: cups is the default printing system, its installed by default
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> I not speak english...
[08:03] <epsilorn> i made sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a as he (or it?) said and it worked
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> i speak portuguese...
[08:03] <spa_zero> coreymon77: thanks.
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM for linux kubuntu 6.06 or 7.04
[08:03] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: good luck then.
[08:03] <thekooki3guy> |_James_Bond_|, here's the ubuntu docs in protuguese -> http://tinyurl.com/dnm7v
[08:03] <epsilorn> by the way what is fuser?
[08:03] <coreymon77> thats it\
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> epsilorn, you can read about fuser here -> http://tinyurl.com/dnm7v
[08:04] <spa_zero> epsilorn: your linux knows. Just type "whatis fuser".
[08:04] <|_James_Bond_|> i need help...
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> plz hlep! trying to install baryl and duel boot vista.. it sux
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> nothing but black and text
[08:04] <uga> Vermux: okay, not sure if this will be the same for you, but lets test...
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: in konqueror, type media:/
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: you'll see the list of partitions
[08:05] <|_James_Bond_|> this pc is a windows xp professional...
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: right click on any of them, and select "properties"
[08:05] <savetheWorld> windows <anything> professional is an oxymoron\
[08:06] <uga> Vermux: do you have a "meta info" tab there?
[08:06] <uga> if so, it'll list free and used diskspace
[08:06] <bazhang> greetings! has anyone else had trouble getting compiz to work with nvidia cards?
[08:06] <|_James_Bond_|> i need help to download and install drivers for modem huawei e220 modem...
[08:06] <uga> cj_: that's what kubuntu is about... no more command line needed
[08:06] <|_James_Bond_|> i don't find...
[08:07] <bazhang> oops! disregard...wrong channel--sorry!
[08:07] <cj_> uga: uck
[08:08] <uga> |_James_Bond_|: are there drivers actually? maybe there aren't any
[08:08] <uga> it doesn't sound like a popular device, and the manufacturer usually doesn't provide them...
[08:09] <cj_> |_James_Bond_|: is it a PCI or USB device?
[08:09] <uga> |_James_Bond_|: oh, here http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/
[08:09] <uga> cj_: usb
[08:10] <Mr_Sonoma> what's the package name for the microsoft fonts? mscorefonts???? or something like, i cant seem to find it with apt-cache....maybe im overlooking it or not hitting on the right search words
[08:10] <cj_> |_James_Bond_|: check lsusb -vv for the chipset, and google away
[08:10] <uga> cj_: you don't read my posts, right? =)
[08:10] <uga> cj_: [20:09]  <uga> |_James_Bond_|: oh, here http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/
[08:11] <Vermux> uga:  the computer suddenly froze. I had to shut it down
[08:11] <cj_> uga: it all becomes white noise after a while ;)
[08:11] <uga> cj_: lol
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: ouch
[08:11] <Vermux> uga: is it because of the new KDE intallation?
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: it shouldn't
[08:11] <Vermux> uga: where is a log I can c what happaned
[08:11] <uga> so you already installed kde 3.5.7?
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: if it froze, then there's no logs
[08:11] <Vermux> I tried to
[08:11] <Mr_Sonoma> !fonts
[08:12] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:12] <uga> Vermux: the machine can't write logs when it's frozen
[08:12] <Vermux> uga: but before it froze- it doesnt write what happaned?
[08:12] <cj_> uga: it depends whats frozen
[08:14] <Vermux> uga:  I opened adept to c what happaned. it displays You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[08:14] <blekos> could you tell me where the root file system is?
[08:15] <Vermux> uga: what do I do, how do I resume the installation?
[08:15] <coreymon77> blekos: /
[08:15] <uga> Vermux: if you were installign something, yes. Under /var/log/apt
[08:15] <Mr_Sonoma> blekos: in the / directory??? *grin
[08:16] <blekos> lol
[08:16] <blekos> ok
[08:16] <jpatrick> Mr_Sonoma: everyone's a beginner at one point ;)
[08:19] <Vermux> uga: it happaned again- I had to power cycle the computer
[08:20] <Vermux> how do I check the computer errors log?
[08:22] <cj_> Vermux: less /var/log/messages
[08:22] <Vermux> anybody?
[08:23] <uga> Vermux: what were you doing, installing?
[08:23] <uga> Vermux: what was the last step you did
[08:24] <Vermux> uga: the 2nd time I clicked toopen firefox and it froze
[08:24] <uga> Vermux: errors arent' all stored in the same place
[08:24] <uga> Vermux: firefox??
[08:24] <uga> that's got nothing to do with kde
[08:24] <cj_> nice a process and run it under gdb perhaps?
[08:24] <Vermux> uga: the first time it was downloading
[08:25] <uga> Vermux: try avoiding firefox for nwo
[08:25] <uga> now
[08:25] <uga> use konqueror instead
[08:25] <cj_> cheerio ~
[08:25] <atlfalcons866> shouldnt kde problems be reported to launchpad
[08:25] <uga> atlfalcons866: sure
[08:25] <uga> if they happen under kubuntu/ubuntu at least
[08:25] <Vermux> uga: how do I resume downloading
[08:25] <atlfalcons866> but when i hit report bugs they go to the kde website
[08:25] <uga> Vermux: you can't resume a download that was started with firefox using konqueror
[08:26] <uga> Vermux: what were you trying to download?
[08:26] <uga> the key?
[08:26] <uga> atlfalcons866: oh my... that's silly
[08:26] <uga> atlfalcons866: lemme test
[08:26] <Vermux> uga: I was downloading the update for KDE, with Adept
[08:27] <uga> Vermux: but you said you were using firefox.
[08:27] <uga> I'm confused here. What froze the desktop. Adept, or firefox
[08:27] <Vermux> uga: I was using it for browsing
[08:27] <stdin> atlfalcons866: there's a very long winded explanation for that, but it boils down to the fact that most kde bugs are upstream
[08:27] <uga> Vermux: the problem is I don't know what froze your box. Was it adept, or was it firefox
[08:27] <atlfalcons866> Whats upstream
[08:27] <stdin> kde
[08:28] <uga> stdin: that'd be true if kubuntu used standard kde guis
[08:28] <uga> which is not true
[08:28] <Vermux> uga:  have no idea- but I want to continue the download of the update for KDE- I remember it was 82%
[08:28] <atlfalcons866> then why do gnome problems go to launchpad
[08:29] <MarcC> does Guarddog just monitor iptables, or is it its own firewall?
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: okay, it'll resume. Just forget about adept, jsut in case. And for now DONT open firefox, okay? =)
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: kmenu->run "konsole"
[08:29] <stdin> uga: kubuntu doesn't generally modify any kde code, we apply a few patches but most bugs are KDE bugs, not kubuntu bugs
[08:29] <stdin> uga: and KDE uses their own bugtracker, not launchpad
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: and type in... "apt-get dist-upgrade" taht will update all packs, including kde ones
[08:30] <uga> stdin: kde devels mostly hate receiving bug reports from distributions...
[08:30] <uga> stdin: not sure if there's some especial treatment for kubuntu devels
[08:30] <atlfalcons866> stdin: then if the bug gets fixed we have to wait to the next ubuntu release?
[08:30] <stdin> uga: there are only distribution bugs
[08:31] <uga> stdin: it's like... dolphin bugs should go to kde.org?
[08:31] <stdin> atlfalcons866: kde 3.5.8 will be out soon
[08:31] <uga> or kwin deco's bugs?
[08:31] <uga> or adept ones?
[08:31] <atlfalcons866> my kicker gets garbled
[08:32] <Vermux> uga:  it says it cannot open the lock file
[08:32] <stdin> uga: the kubuntu-devs send all patches upstream, but reporting bugs on LP helps tracking
[08:32] <uga> Vermux: close adept
[08:32] <Vermux> uga: the same thing
[08:33] <uga> Vermux: something is locking the database. Don't you have any installer application running?
[08:33] <uga> Vermux: after closing them all, try again "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:33] <uga> maybe it's because I just forgot to mention sudo
[08:34] <Vermux> uga: it says: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[08:34] <uga> okay, yes, follow instructions
[08:34] <uga> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:34] <uga> that will fix what started before and didn't finish when the box froze
[08:35] <marius__> ger?
[08:36] <Vermux> uga: ok, it is done
[08:36] <uga> Vermux: now try again... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:36] <uga> that should get you installing the rest of what's left
[08:37] <Vermux> uga: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:38] <MarcC> does Kubuntu keep a firewall log somewhere?
[08:39] <Vermux> uga: so I guessed it is done?
[08:39] <stdin> MarcC: iptables runs in the kernel, so messages should be in /var/log/kernlog or /var/log/syslog
[08:39] <MarcC> stdin: thanks, is there a log viewer, or do I just view using less from the console?
[08:40] <stdin> there is somewhere
[08:41] <bazhang> Vermux: I had the same problem; after doing the sudo dpkg --configure -a, all was well.
[08:41] <bazhang> Kubuntu gutsy.
[08:41] <hijacker_> LIST
[08:41] <stdin> MarcC: Kmenu > System > KSystemLoc
[08:42] <stdin> KSystemLog*
[08:42] <MarcC> awesome, thanks :)
[08:42] <MarcC> is there software that scans for world-writeable files and things like that?
[08:43] <uga> Vermux: yes, it's fully done
[08:43] <uga> Vermux: if you log out and log in again, you'll get the whole new desktop
[08:44] <uga> bazhang: feisty, in his case
[08:45] <bazhang> uga: thanks! how are you doing?
[08:45] <BluesKaj> a friend was trying to talk me into installing netBSD, and i tried the live cd , it just would not connect to the internet even after appying the right router IPs localhost addys etc ..totally dumb to the net ...unbelievable
[08:45] <uga> bazhang: myself? fine heh, thanks
[08:45] <bazhang> uga: how's your system?
[08:45] <uga> smooooooth
[08:46] <Vermux> uga: ok, it works. gmail works too, but the graphics is different
[08:46] <BluesKaj> gutsy , uga ?
[08:46] <uga> MarcC: if you find such utility, please let me know. I believe I've seen something similar, but I can't find it right now
[08:46] <uga> BluesKaj: yes
[08:46] <Vermux> uga:  I meant, gmail works with kq
[08:46] <uga> Vermux: different? strange
[08:46] <BluesKaj> cool, same here
[08:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[08:47] <stdin> MarcC: find can do that "find /place/to/search -perm /o+w"
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: oh, you mean gmail in konqueror vs gmail in firefox?
[08:47] <Vermux> uga:  the graphics of gmail, when browsed with kq
[08:47] <epsilorn> hey someone got a Radeon Hd2400 and made it to work with 3d games?
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: that's because gmail supports konqueror partially, in html mode
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: there's a way around... you can change browser ID and set it to firefox 1.5. Then you can enable the standard view. But I don't suggest it. It may not work too well
[08:48] <MarcC> stdin: uh...that command returned a TON of files...what's the deal?
[08:48] <Vermux> uga: Ic. why they dont support it?
[08:48] <uga> BluesKaj: it's boring though. I need breakable systems
[08:48] <MarcC> uga: I will look for a utility like that
[08:48] <uga> Vermux: lazyness? you know... firefox is popular now even on windows, so they support it
[08:49] <uga> Vermux: most sites that claim "your browser is not supported" is because they just didn't care checking
[08:49] <stdin> MarcC: that finds files that are writeable to "others" in wherever you search
[08:49] <Mr_Sonoma> uga if you need a breakable system, Vista comes preloaded with broken stuff
[08:49] <uga> Vermux: you just go to tools->change browser identification->choose firefox or IE, and they all work
[08:49] <MarcC> stdin: ok, so not necessarily a risk (security newb here), right?
[08:49] <Vermux> Mr_Sonoma:  so u dont recommend using Vista?
[08:49] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: cool!
[08:50] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: does it come with rebuilding tools, so that I can fix it??
[08:50] <coreymon77> Vermux: is that a serious question
[08:50] <Vermux> uga:  what exactly it does when I change identity?
[08:50] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: and a nice terminal mode? =)
[08:50] <Vermux> coreymon77: yes
[08:50] <uga> Vermux: it tells gmail that you are running firefox. So that gmail cannot tell you are using konqueror and go to reduced mode
[08:50] <Mr_Sonoma> Vermux: i will put it to you this way, i played with vista in a store display computer. IT CRASHED i was playing solotaire just to see what the about the look was diff...
[08:51] <uga> Vermux: it disguises as firefox, to say it somehow
[08:51] <stdin> MarcC: not particularly, that will show symlinks too
[08:51] <stdin> MarcC: try "find . -perm /o+w -not -type l" to just look at files
[08:51] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: cool!
[08:51] <Mr_Sonoma> uga: im sure mr gates will sell you some rebuilding software for a overly inflated price, then pirate your fixes and copyright them as his own.
[08:51] <Vermux> Mr_Sonoma: u r exegerating
[08:51] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: does the blue screen have now 3D and translucency effects?
[08:52] <uga> ie, white floating 3D characters on blue shadow gradient in rotating 3D space....
[08:52] <coreymon77> uga: LOL
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> Vermux: no im not, it seriously crashed, i was less than impressed and left.
[08:52] <Vermux> uga: but when changing identity it runs with a reduced mode?
[08:52] <uga> heh, it's nice how I can build kdelibs from scratch in just a few minutes
[08:53] <stdin> MarcC: thinking about it " find home -perm /o+w -not \( -type l -or -type d \) " is the way :)
[08:53] <uga> Vermux: it will allow you to select standard view, once you get in
[08:53] <uga> if you change ID to firefox
[08:53] <uga> but I'm not too sure if it works well
[08:53] <Vermux> lunch time- ttl
[08:54] <Annika> hi
[08:54] <Mr_Sonoma> uga: no it didnt but maybe you should suggest that since it appears a lot from what i've heard, and would believe after my vista experiance.
[08:54] <uga> =)
[08:55] <Annika> is it possible that gutsy has problems with large directories? cause otherwise i cant figure out why this doesnt work...
[08:56] <uga> Annika: how large?
[08:56] <uga> and when doing what?
[08:56] <Minataku> And large how?
[08:56] <Mr_Sonoma> Annika: its possible that Gutsy has lots of bugs as its still in beta testing, but aside from that i dont know, i havent gotten a good working gutsy install yet =)
[08:56] <hume> hi.. I have created an encrypted usb-drive, with Luks and dmcrypt, but it does not mount on connect in Kubuntu and I am not asked for passphrase- did I miss something?
[08:56] <Annika> about 3 gigabyte... im trying to encrypt my system as in this howto http://news.softpedia.com/news/Encrypted-Ubuntu-7-04-61312.shtml
[08:57] <Minataku> Hm
[08:57] <Annika> im at the end of step 2 when you backup your files
[08:57] <Annika> and keep getting no space left on device
[08:57] <Minataku> Check that the device isn't actually out of space
[08:57] <Annika> i did
[08:57] <uga> Annika: oh, on bash, then
[08:57] <Annika> the partition is about 30 gb big
[08:57] <uga> (ie, command line)
[08:57] <Minataku> Type df -h
[08:58] <Annika> k
[08:58] <Minataku> Check that way
[08:58] <uga> Annika: wildcards like * can cause trouble sometimes
[08:58] <uga> Annika: commands got limited amount of parameters
[08:58] <uga> Annika: so if you have like 20 thousand files in a directory, and say "rm -f *", you may get an error that says parameter list is too long
[08:58] <Minataku> Actually, it happens at around 5000
[08:58] <uga> notice * gets replaced by the whole list of files
[08:58] <Minataku> A little before, actually
[08:59] <Minataku> But that's not the case here
[08:59] <uga> Minataku: thanks. I never bothered checking the length =)
[08:59] <Annika> its only 7 percent full
[08:59] <stdin> wtf?
[08:59] <uga> I expected it to be 1024, 2048, 4096...
[08:59] <phoenixz> Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop..
[08:59] <uga> !language | stdin
[08:59] <ubotu> stdin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:00] <uga> =)
[09:00] <Minataku> Well, there may be a correlation with length of file names and amount of arguments, but I doubt it
[09:00] <Minataku> But yeah, it's definitely somewhere between 4800 and 5000
[09:00] <stdin> ahh, that's better
[09:00] <uga> oh, I thought it was a limit in parameter number, not length
[09:00] <hume> anyone knows what I need to do to make kde ask for a passphrase when attaching an encrypted usb-drive?
[09:00] <Minataku> I think there's a limit on both
[09:01] <uga> !language ! stdin
[09:01] <Minataku> But when there's a space, the length limit resets
[09:01] <uga> !language | stdin
[09:01] <ubotu> stdin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:01] <Minataku> uga: Stop that
[09:01] <stdin> uga: hush
[09:01] <uga> Minataku: lol. I wanted to do that for ages. As he usually does to others ;)
[09:01] <hero> what is the most popular kde game?
[09:01] <stdin> !botabuse > uga  :)
[09:01] <uga> stdin: lol, sorry, I had to, when I read your "wtf" =)
[09:01] <Minataku> hero: "Close the Window"
[09:01] <Minataku> XD
[09:01] <hero> har
[09:01] <hero> no, i'm serious
[09:01] <Minataku> It's like "Drink the Beer"
[09:02] <Minataku> XD
[09:02] <hero> *sigh* nevermind
[09:02] <Minataku> Actually, I dunno
[09:02] <kilrae_> tuxen (i think) is a good game, not a kde game persay
[09:02] <hero> then don't answer the question?
[09:02] <Minataku> You'd have to find/run a poll on it
[09:02] <uga> hero: kde one? boson, maybe?
[09:02] <hero> isn't that what i just did?
[09:02] <Annika> i cant figure this out... how can you get this error backing up less than 4 gb on a 30 gb disc?
[09:02] <hero> uga: thanks
[09:02] <uga> if you mean by most sophisticated
[09:02] <Minataku> hero: No. If you don't want every possible answer, don't ask.
[09:02] <hero> no, most popular and kde
[09:02] <Minataku> I find that to be much better.
[09:02] <Minataku> Now, if you were intending to run a poll, your question is wrong
[09:02] <hero> Minataku: it's just rude to joke about a legitimate question.
[09:03] <Minataku> You should ask what people's favorite KDE game is
[09:03] <Minataku> Not what the most popular one is
[09:03] <kilrae_> but you can't figure out what the most popular one is without some kind of statistics
[09:03] <Minataku> One implies you're compiling information. The other implies it already exists and you wish to find it.
[09:03] <Annika> i like kasteroids, personally... reminds me of dos when i was a kid
[09:03] <hero> what is your favorite kde game?
[09:04] <kilrae> that one with the balls that you have to trap
[09:04] <Minataku> As for rudeness, we're volunteers who put up with all kinds of crap all through the day and night
[09:04] <Minataku> We have earned the right to joke around
[09:04] <hero> Minataku: i volunteer too.
[09:04] <Minataku> Now, while I don't use KDE, I'll go with kilrae's choice
[09:04] <Minataku> That one is pretty fun
[09:04] <hero> do you recall the name of that one?
[09:04] <Minataku> I do not
[09:05] <kilrae> i don't have any games installed, i'm pretty sure it's in the kdegames package though
[09:05] <Minataku> I believe it is a stock KDE game, yes
[09:05] <kilrae> let me check a different computer
[09:05] <Annika> please guys... any ideas?
[09:05] <kilrae> KBounce
[09:05] <Minataku> Annika: These are large amounts of files that add up to 3GB?
[09:05] <Minataku> Or is it one file that is 3GB?
[09:06] <hero> i have kmahjongg, but it seems different than this other mahjongg clone that had better graphics.  can't seem to find the latter one though
[09:06] <Minataku> Because if it's the latter, the default kernel may not be set up to properly handle files over 0x7FFFFFFF in size
[09:06] <Annika> no i want to backup my system because i want to create an encrypted fs
[09:06] <Minataku> Which is roughly around 2 billion bytes
[09:06] <deviance> !ut2004
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ut2004 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <deviance> !unrealtournament
[09:06] <Annika> just like the howto says
[09:06] <stdin> !games
[09:06] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[09:06] <Minataku> Annika: That doesn't answer my question, nor did I check the howto
[09:06] <epsilorn> since you are talking about games, may I ask a technical question? I've got a problem with my graphics card ati radeon HD2400 got someone some experience with fglrx?
[09:07] <hero> thanks, stdin.  already been there though.
[09:07] <Annika> no its not a single file
[09:07] <hero> oh well, rtfm i guess
[09:07] <Minataku> epsilorn: Your problem _is_ the ATi card.
[09:07] <kilrae> hehe
[09:07] <Annika> epsilorn you might want to try envy
[09:07] <Minataku> hero: There are more than just the games that come with KDE
[09:07] <Annika> worked 4 me
[09:07] <hero> Minataku: yeah, i know.
[09:07] <kilrae> there's a fun molecule building one
[09:08] <stdin> !envy | epsilorn
[09:08] <ubotu> epsilorn: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:08] <kilrae> Atomix I think
[09:08] <Minataku> !wfm | Annika
[09:08] <ubotu> Annika: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[09:08] <Annika> yeah
[09:08] <Minataku> "Works for me" is only valid when replying to a bug report
[09:09] <epsilorn> Minataku: ah but the driver are installed!
[09:09] <Minataku> Anywhere else it's unacceptible
[09:09] <epsilorn> that's not my problem
[09:09] <Annika> cu have a nice evening...
[09:09] <Minataku> !ati
[09:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:09] <Minataku> H
[09:09] <Minataku> m
[09:09] <kilrae> support for recent-ish ati cards is a bit patchy
[09:09] <epsilorn> Minataku: the problem is that 3dapps crash to desktop
[09:09] <Minataku> Sorry, my keyboard is slowly falling apart
[09:10] <Minataku> Do they run at all?
[09:10] <Minataku> Or do they just crash immediately or not even start?
[09:10] <epsilorn> i mean, take for example, nexius, it starts 640x480 and plays, when i try to change resolution it crashes
[09:10] <epsilorn> the others same problem
[09:11] <epsilorn> xmame works with all games except vector ones
[09:11] <uga> epsilorn: I presume the application doesn't hit memory limits when increasing the size?
[09:11] <Minataku> Try this one
[09:11] <Minataku> !resolution
[09:11] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output.  You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:13] <epsilorn> oh well it's possible but they said 8.41.7 is FOR HD series cards
[09:13] <epsilorn> ah ok :D so noobish!
[09:14] <hero> in query, what command would you use to see a list of the factoids?
[09:14] <bazhang> stdin: way off topic but relevant question regarding gnome: where's the run command in gnome menu?
[09:15] <epsilorn> so what i've got to do is wait for new drivers?
[09:15] <stdin> hero: a list of factoids is http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <hero> so you can't get the list in query
[09:15] <stdin> bazhang: I don't know, I don't use gnome
[09:15] <uga> bazhang: maybe the run command is too complex to be used by gnome users, and they decided to remove it
[09:15] <stdin> hero: no
[09:15] <hero> k
[09:15] <bazhang> stdin: sorry for the ot, and thanks!
[09:15] <stdin> bazhang: it's the same shortcut, Alt-F2 I know that
[09:16] <uga> heh, they kept the shortcut but not the menu entry?
[09:16] <Minataku> Someone probably complained that it was too confusing to have it on the menu
[09:17] <stdin> who knows, I haven't used gnome since 5.10, and that was just until I installed KDE :)
[09:17] <bazhang> stdin: right, but it's not working for someone in #ubuntu-effects. Thanks!
[09:17] <uga> stdin: I used kde version 1 even ;)
[09:17] <Minataku> That's nothing
[09:17] <Minataku> I've used X11R4
[09:17] <bazhang> uga: hahahaha
[09:18] <stdin> uga: before 5.10 I used debian and kde, 5.10 was the only time I ever used gnome (for a few mins)
[09:18] <stdin> well, not ever
[09:18] <stdin> but for a long time
[09:18] <Minataku> I can't remember when I used GNOME, but it was the last time I ever would.
[09:19] <Minataku> I find it quite horrible
[09:20] <hero> yeah, i haven't gone back since i started using kde
[09:20] <stdin> because it is ;)
[09:20] <hero> which is like a year ago or so
[09:20] <hero> although, i find i like gftp better than kftpgrabber
[09:20] <stdin> bah, konqueror does ftp just fine thanks
[09:21] <hero> never tried
[09:21] <uga> hero: yes, strange.  I love it for transferring files, better than ftp
[09:23] <stdin> I use konqueror for everything except file management (ironically)
[09:23] <Minataku> Konqueror is the typifying misfeature of KDE... the needless reimplementation of existing solutions
[09:23] <stdin> eww, fish:/ is rotten, use sftp:/ less overhead on both sides
[09:24] <hero> never heard of fish
[09:24] <BluesKaj> I'm not a real fan of dolphin , but I suppose we're stuck with it in gutsy
[09:24] <uga> Minataku: I don't see it that way. It does all networking stuff. Why would you need two separate applications and different guis for sftp/ftp/fish/rsh/... when all do the same thing
[09:24] <dwidmann> Minataku: nonsense, it does its job perfectly ... where else can you find such a fine kpart-viewer :)
[09:24] <nosrednaekim> uga: fish is slightly insecure,,, if you don;t have control over both computers you are transferring between
[09:24] <uga> insecure?
[09:24] <uga> in what sense
[09:24] <uga> unstable?
[09:24] <stdin> BluesKaj: you can still use konqui
[09:25] <hero> stdin: what do you use for file management?
[09:25] <uga> nosrednaekim: or do you mean it lacks security
[09:25] <stdin> hero: the shell
[09:25] <hero> heh
[09:25] <Minataku> I use the same thing stdin uses
[09:25] <hero> of course
[09:25] <uga> nosrednaekim: it should be as secure as any ssh connection
[09:25] <hero> i do both
[09:25] <hero> konq and shell
[09:25] <Minataku> Of course, I also use Gentoo and not Kubuntu
[09:25] <dwidmann> or konq with a shell :)
[09:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , the default is dolphin in the system menu
[09:26] <uga> dwidmann: you can open the shell inside konqui...
[09:26] <Minataku> Nor would I use Kubuntu, I find it far too dumbed down, even with KDE
[09:26] <stdin> BluesKaj: and you can change it back
[09:26] <dwidmann> uga: of course
[09:26] <uga> dwidmann: window->show terminal
[09:26] <stdin> yakuake is the way to go :)
[09:26] <Minataku> Though Ubuntu is worse because GNOME treats you like some kind of retard
[09:26] <dwidmann> uga: that was my point.
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> uga: it puts a perl file on  the other side of the connection.... if you didn't have control of that computer, someone COULD replace it with another perl file and gain a connection back to your computer.
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> or seomthing like that..
[09:26] <uga> you don't need any extra shells
[09:26] <bazhang> uh-oh gnome rant coming up...
[09:26] <uga> you don't need any extra apps
[09:26] <uga> you just need konquiOS =)
[09:27] <Minataku> I don't even need X, myself
[09:27] <stdin> nosrednaekim: that's why I say to use sftp:/
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> uga: is SHOULD ;)
[09:27] <dwidmann> uga: sounds great, where can I get it (</sarcasm>)
[09:27] <Minataku> Try THAT with Konqueror
[09:27] <Minataku> >:3
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> *it
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yeah.
[09:27] <uga> nosrednaekim: where's the bug then. Please enlighten me
[09:27] <Minataku> uga: Uh, it's extremely obvious
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> uga: coming right up.
[09:28] <Minataku> It depends on a fully trusted setup
[09:28] <uga> Minataku: uh?
[09:28] <Minataku> Both systems have to be trusted by the parties involved
[09:28] <uga> Minataku: if you open an ssh connection it's same thing though
[09:28] <uga> and he claims otherwise ;)
[09:28] <Minataku> Not at all
[09:28] <Minataku> Because ssh follows all proper security protocols
[09:29] <uga> well, if you don't trust the other party, you can't even accept keys
[09:29] <Minataku> You can't get in via ssh without a u/p, and there's also fingerprinting
[09:29] <uga> Minataku: oh, you mean it jups over certian steps?
[09:29] <uga> Minataku: u/p == user/password?
[09:29] <uga> fish requires auth too
[09:29] <Minataku> If, suddenly, the other system is replaced by someone, the fingerprints won't match and ssh tells you this quite prominently
[09:30] <uga> yeah, and fish ignores this?
[09:30] <uga> I thought I'd get warned
[09:30] <Minataku> According to what nosrednaekim said, it assumes the perl file at the remote is okay
[09:30] <uga> Minataku: funny thing is most people just accept key changes without even looking =)
[09:30] <Minataku> If this is replaced, then it's executed without hesitation
[09:31] <dwidmann> ssh:/ functions the same as fish:/ (from a user perspective), not reason not to use it eh?
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah...i'm trying to find that bug. its in launchpad somewhere
[09:31] <Minataku> uga: When I said "tells you [this]  quite prominently", I meant that it terminates and doesn't let you do it at all
[09:32] <jean> hello !
[09:32] <Minataku> I know this because it's happened to me when I tried to use ssh on a network with a DNS Round-Robin
[09:32] <Minataku> It had the RR address A.whatever, which selected B. C. or D. based on traffic
[09:32] <dwidmann> hi jean
[09:32] <Minataku> Names removed for privacy reasons
[09:34] <Minataku> Well, on the first connect, if it selects B., then all is well, but B's print is written down as A's
[09:34] <jean> I'm using OpenSuse, may I stay in this channel?
[09:34] <dwidmann> jean: if you want to
[09:34] <bazhang> this is where it happens
[09:34] <jean> alright
[09:34] <uga> Minataku: well, with ssh you can just remove the cache of keys iirc
[09:34] <bazhang> #suse
[09:34] <Minataku> If A picks B, it's still fine, but if it picks D, then D's print differs from B's, and A's print suddently doesn't match
[09:34] <uga> and you'll be back again
[09:34] <bazhang> jean: /join #suse
[09:35] <jean> alright, thanks bazhang, but I'm just hanging around,I'm a curious kind of guy
[09:35] <Minataku> uga: Right, but you've been told quite matter-of-factly about what's going on
[09:35] <uga> Minataku: that's what i meant. I thought fish:/ would also warn you that the keys were changed
[09:35] <bazhang> jean: I'm in both as well...what irc client are you using?
[09:35] <gorlak> curiousity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. so they say
[09:35] <bazhang> ot! again!
[09:35] <uga> Minataku: I haven't tested this though
[09:35] <jean> konversation, I know I should be using xchat
[09:36] <Minataku> Well, I don't tend to take pointless reimplementations seriously
[09:36] <bazhang> jean: good choice!
[09:36] <Sin_Citadel> hello
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> here ya'll go http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/45
[09:36] <Sin_Citadel> is there an application level firewall in linux
[09:36] <uga> Minataku: uh? fish is for file transferring, rather than remote shell access. I don't see that as a reimplementation. How do you transfer files over ssh. using cat?
[09:37] <Minataku> I use scp
[09:37] <uga> ah, I see
[09:37] <uga> yes
[09:37] <Minataku> Which is the proper way to do things
[09:37] <uga> I had forgotten that
[09:37] <stdin> Sin_Citadel: no, there is a kernel level one, iptabled (you can configure it with several applications tho)
[09:37] <uga> Minataku: well, I guess kde wants all those for the non-console loving end user
[09:37] <Minataku> Instead of some dumbass, buggy attempt at making things easier for people, including the people it should be very hard for
[09:37] <Sin_Citadel> stdin: ok, thanks
[09:38] <uga> Minataku: actually I believe kioslaves should be modified so that the user doesn't need to type in kioslave:/
[09:38] <uga> name
[09:38] <uga> Minataku: I find it as being a half-baked solution for gui
[09:39] <uga> neither easy nor full use
[09:40] <uga> guys, how does one use sudo with & (background) commands?
[09:40] <BluesKaj> haven't had much cause to FTP , since I'm not doing work related tasks
[09:40] <uga> like for example .... sudo X :1 &
[09:40] <perlluver> My screensavers are all blank, wondering if there is any way I can fix this?
[09:40] <uga> it'll prompt for password, but won't work
[09:41] <BluesKaj> perlluver, were they working previously ?
[09:41] <genii> uga: you want to detach some process from console?
[09:42] <perlluver> Yeah, but they woldn't show up when it came on it was just a blank screen, and setup crashes to login screen
[09:42] <BluesKaj> whoa , something not right with the seup there for sure
[09:42] <BluesKaj> setup
[09:43] <Minataku> Actually, if it goes back to the login screen, it's crashing all of X11
[09:43] <Minataku> Which is then restarted by kdm
[09:43] <perlluver> right
[09:43] <nosredna_ekim> whats wrong? sorry, my internet dies
[09:44] <Minataku> perlluver: In which case, check the X11 log for at least fleeting hint as to what happened
[09:44] <perlluver> where would I find that?
[09:44] <uga> genii: yes. I don't want X to lock the console, but I want to run it as root, with sudo
[09:44] <Minataku> At worst, it'll just tell you what signal it caught and crashed out on
[09:44] <Minataku> lol
[09:44] <Minataku> perlluver: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:45] <uga> genii: but if you try that, you'll see that it asks for the password, but then sudo goes background, and what you input is clearly shown on the terminal, doesn't go to sudo
[09:45] <uga> or so I think
[09:45] <uga> that sudo goes bg
[09:45] <uga> something strange
[09:45] <Minataku> I believe you'll need /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old however
[09:45] <Minataku> Since when X11 restarts, it'll rotate the files
[09:48] <perlluver> Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:48] <perlluver> maybe that
[09:48] <Mr_Sonoma> if i wanted just the gnome desktop and not nessaraily the apps associated with it, what package would i apt-get??? gnome itself or somethink like gnome-core?
[09:48] <Minataku> Nah
[09:48] <Minataku> It's gonna be at the very bottom
[09:48] <Minataku> Remember, it crashed. Why it crashed will be the last thing it writes. ;3
[09:49] <stdin> Mr_Sonoma: at a guess, I'd say "gnome-desktop-environment" :)
[09:49] <perlluver> ok, I also have a xorg.old.1
[09:49] <Mr_Sonoma> last time i loaded gnome i got the ubuntu-desktop but i got all the gnome apps to and dont really need/want all of that.
[09:49] <Minataku> Mr_Sonoma: I'd say "psychiatric help"
[09:49] <Minataku> But I just really hate GNOME
[09:49] <Minataku> lol
[09:49] <Mr_Sonoma> ok ill look and see if there's a pakage labled close to that =)
[09:50] <Minataku> Sorry, just messing with ya
[09:50] <Minataku> :3
[09:50] <Mr_Sonoma> i use kde 99% of the time but everyonce in a while i'll use gnome or xfce
[09:50] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox 100% of the time on my primary system
[09:51] <BluesKaj> fluxbox is cool if i remember right , very fast even on older cpus
[09:51] <Minataku> It's quite light, yes
[09:51] <sliv3r> hey there, back again - new question
[09:51] <Minataku> Light but themeable and featureful
[09:52] <perlluver> Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found), that is in every file, any way to fix that?
[09:52] <sliv3r> is the desktop distro just a live cd?
[09:52] <stdin> heh, it's installable
[09:52] <BluesKaj> ran it on slackware (Ithink), on 233mhz MMX system
[09:52] <sliv3r> oh, ok
[09:52] <sliv3r> sorry for buggin
[09:52] <sliv3r> thx
[09:53] <Minataku> I use it on a 2660MHz Pentium 4 (Northwood B)
[09:53] <BluesKaj> gotta get a nvidia driver that will run in X
[09:54] <perlluver> ok thx
[09:54] <perlluver> think I got it
[10:00] <FSHero> Hi all: I am planning to install Kubuntu on my computer, to dual boot with Windows Vista. Is the partitioning procedure of the Kubuntu installer safe?
[10:00] <FSHero> (it was with my WinXP computer :)
[10:00] <stdin> should be
[10:01] <FSHero> stdin: thanks.
[10:02] <FSHero> Also: AFAIK, Core 2 Quad Q6600 is a 64-bit processor. Therefore, should I use the AMD64 version of Kubuntu?
[10:02] <stdin> you don't have to
[10:02] <stdin> 32bit works fine (and may be the better choice)
[10:05] <FSHero> Why might 32 bit be better?
[10:06] <dwidmann> I can't see any way that it might be better, unless you have limitted memory in your system (64-bit uses a bit more)
[10:06] <stdin> because some things are more difficult in 64bit and some thing won't work at all
[10:07] <FSHero> Oh, I got 4GB RAM :)
[10:07] <FSHero> If I run Kubuntu for AMD64, can I still run 32-bit executables?
[10:07] <stdin> 32bit will see ~3200MB of it
[10:07] <FSHero> stdin: exactly  what won't work on AMD64?
[10:08] <stdin> FSHero: some drivers (proprietary) don't, and flash/java are more difficult in 64bit
[10:08] <hailey> hi peeps
[10:09] <FSHero> stdin: thanks... so I'm guessing you can't run 32-bit drivers in Kubuntu AMD64?
[10:09] <stdin> FSHero: that's right
[10:10] <FSHero> choices, choices...
[10:10] <dwidmann> FSHero, try them both, that's always a choice
[10:10] <stdin> ^ was just about to say that
[10:10] <FSHero> ... well, I think that I might have a crack at AMD64; the version of Vista I have preinstalled is 32-bit :P
[10:10] <FSHero> dwidmann: nice idea... but I'm guessing I'll need two partitions for that, right?
[10:11] <dwidmann> FSHero, yup
[10:11] <stdin> you could just make a separate /home, then install 64bit to test it. if it's not good for you, reinstall 32bit and keep /home from being formatted
[10:12] <FSHero> stdin: ok, thx, I might do that
[10:13] <FSHero> (Only problem: My father made me promise to use just 11GB (10GB + swap) -- despite having a 500GB hard disk!!)
[10:14] <FSHero> While I'm here... can the 32-bit and AMD64 variants of Kubuntu co-exist with each other? In the sense...
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> beg, on your knees for 20
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah, they can
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> sharing a /home
[10:14] <FSHero> ... when each updates /boot/grub/menu.lst, will they preserve each other's menu items?
[10:14] <dwidmann> fshero, 10gb is fine for the system stuff, but you'll want more room for a /home ....
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: they should autodetect eachother's yes
[10:15] <FSHero> dwidmann: I understand that about /home. I'll probably keep /home quite small (few GBs), and do all my downloads to the NTFS partition...
[10:15] <FSHero> ... speaking of which, can ntfs-3g write to Vista NTFS partitions?
[10:16] <stdin> it can, but it's not 100% perfect, so that's not a great idea IMO
[10:17] <spa_zero> FSHero: I just read your discussion about 64 vs. 32 bit. Basically, the only reason to use 64 Bit is either you have some very speciffic number crunching application (probably something scientific) or more than 4GB or RAM.
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: or you just want to be on the bleeding edge ;)
[10:18] <spa_zero> FSHero: For almost all other cases, 64 bit is actually the worse choice. You lose some performance because of the operations having longer words etc.
[10:18] <FSHero> spa_zero: thanks... but I really would like bleeding edge as nosrednaekim just mentioned ;)
[10:18] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: Well, why would you actually want to have a less performance to be "on the bleeding edge"?
[10:18] <FSHero> spa_zero: that's odd... so do all 64-bit OSs suffer from that type of slowdown?
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: never seen that.
[10:18] <spa_zero> FSHero: Yes, they do.
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: ummm I really don't think so. can I have some proof of that?
[10:19] <spa_zero> FSHero: It is by principle.
[10:19] <dwidmann> spa_zero, bah, nonsense, memory performance is a bit worse, but in terms of speed most things are about the same while some others (things involving encoding, number crunching, image rendering, and such, are significantly faster)
[10:20] <FSHero> thanks for your input guys... and I think I shall use AMD64, to try it out. It turns out that it will be rarely used [I have my own comp, and my family members want to stick to Windows :(]
[10:20] <spa_zero> dwidmann: It is not nonsense, since the CPU can make less 64 bit operations than 32bit ones in the same time. There is also a limited number of usable registers. Just look at the datasheets.
[10:20] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: That goes for you, too. Have a look at the datasheet at AMD or Intel if you don't want to take my word for it.
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> haha. seriously, you think they would make an architecture that would make everything SLOWER?
[10:21] <FSHero> Err... incidentally, If I were to use OpenSUSE or Fedora in conjunction with Kubuntu, would they coexist with each other?
[10:22] <stdin> FSHero: as long as you keep them all on separate partitions
[10:22] <FSHero> E.g. if one undergoes a kernel update, will /boot/grub/menu.lst be updated properly, previous items preserved and so on?
[10:22] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: It does not make eveerything slower. But for now, only a very select few applications make good use of the advantages of the 64 bit architectures.
[10:22] <FSHero> stdin: hehe, of course!
[10:23] <FSHero> Sorry for sparking a "heated" discussion...
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: they SHOULD.
[10:23] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: So with all the applications mentioned by dwidmann (encoding, image rendering, etc.) yes, you loose performance using the 64 bit versions at this time.
[10:23] <coreymon77> what just happened?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: that makes no sense.
[10:23] <dwidmann> spa_zero: practical benchmarks seem to show things on the level ...
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: Just because the programms where built again using 64 bit libraries does not mean they have actually been changed in any way to optimize for 64bit.
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: It makes perfect sense.
[10:24] <Minataku> Actually
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> ok,maybe they will be the same, but they are NOT slower.
[10:24] <Minataku> There's additional overhead in running 64 over 32
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: they are slower.
[10:24] <Minataku> So they very well CAN be slower
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: what kind of overhead?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Is this still going on?
[10:25] <spa_zero> Minataku: It is not just overhead. It is a matter of hardware. Registers and clock cycles/operation. *sigh*
[10:25] <Minataku> Ask the guys in #gentoo-sparc
[10:25] <Minataku> They know, and they know it on a mature 64bit architecture
[10:25] <Minataku> Rather than the cheapcrap x86 bullplop Common Joe is forced to deal with
[10:26] <stdin> 64bit Vs. 32bit discussion should be in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:26] <stdin> I wish it was the 1st time I've said that today...
[10:26] <BluesKaj> oh the wonderful world of absolutes ...wish it were so , but to be so convinced must be reassurring :)
[10:27] <spa_zero> stdin: It probably should. But I wanted to prevent FSHero from making a mistake :)
[10:27] <FSHero> In any case, I can try out both the 32-bit and 64-bit live-cds
[10:27] <spa_zero> FSHero: You can of course :)
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> you're definately not going to notice a diference on a liveCD
[10:28] <FSHero> woah, like I said, this kubuntu installation won't see much use, just occasional web browsing and Nexuiz-playing by myself.
[10:28] <FSHero> It's more of an "experiment"
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> ah
[10:30] <FSHero> Well, thanks guys... I'll be afk for a while
[10:30] <spa_zero> FSHero: You will definitely want the 32bit version then. Flash and other plugins can be a PITA with 64bit.
[10:30] <NiBe> Could anyone please inform me how you turn off that annoying system bell that sounds every time a new mail arrives in kmail?
[10:31] <spa_zero> NiBe: Have you not seen the "settings" menu?
[10:31] <spa_zero> NiBe: it is the second from the right, next to "help".
[10:31] <sahin_h> NiBe: Yes, the settings menu...
[10:31] <NiBe> spa_zero: System bell is not an option in the notifications dialog
[10:31] <BluesKaj> FSHero, kubuntu can become very addictive ...casual use is very rare :)_
[10:31] <Vermux> !metabar
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metabar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <NiBe> I've got an .ogg playing, but the system bell sounds at the same time.
[10:32] <spa_zero> NiBe: errm. do you get a "beep" from the PC speaker?
[10:32] <spa_zero> NiBe: Or what do you mean by "system bell"?
[10:32] <NiBe> Yeah, sorry about that. It's the PC speakers.
[10:33] <sahin_h> NiBe: Did you try the Turn Off All Sound in the Notification Settings?
[10:33] <spa_zero> NiBe: Hehe, I never put a speaker in my PC, so I never hear it. Ok. Can it be disabled from the general settings menu?
[10:33] <sahin_h> NiBe: Just a guess.
[10:33] <nosrednaekim> NiBe: Kmail _> settings->notifications
[10:34] <NiBe> sahin_h: That just prevents my .ogg from playing.
[10:35] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: I think the system bell annoying beep is indeed not an option in the kmail settings, but rather in the global settings "notifications" "system bell" tab.
[10:35] <sahin_h> NiBe: Ok
[10:35] <sahin_h> Yes, maybe nosrednaekim is right.
[10:35] <spa_zero> NiBe: Go to the "K" menu then system settings.
[10:35] <NiBe> Ah well, an "xset -b" works for now...
[10:36] <spa_zero> NiBe: it should be the default setting anyhow :)
[10:39] <NiBe> Hmmm... nothing looks wrong in the global settings either though...
[10:50] <kozz_> NiBe: not possible to simply turn it off in the mixer?
[10:51] <bazhang> this is odd..is everyone at dinner?
[10:51] <NiBe> kozz: xset -b solves the problem, but I would like to know why the speakers sound in the first place...
[11:02] <Vermux> can someone explain the concept of free software?
[11:03] <bazhang> Vermux: makethemove.net or www.fsf.org
[11:03] <stdin> that better asked in #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[11:03] <Vermux> somebody has to get paid for the effort, no?
[11:03] <stdin> no
[11:03] <bazhang> sorry!
[11:05] <phoenixz> Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop..
[11:08] <jhutchins_x> phoenixz, I've seen that problem discussed before, or at least a similar one.  Maybe search the forums?
[11:08] <phoenixz> jhutchins, Ive seen it in the forums yeah, but no definitive answer :(
[11:10] <SeanTater> Installing the package "rpm" on a ubuntu (apt-based) system won't cause a problem will it? (I need the "rpm2cpio" program)
[11:10] <jhutchins_x> phoenixz, Make sure you're not running kerry/beagle or other index or security scan software.
[11:11] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, What about alien?
[11:11] <phoenixz> jhutchins, What does that have to do with kdesktop?
[11:11] <SeanTater> jhutchins_x: I'm not useing it directly, I need ir for a script to work..
[11:11] <SeanTater>  /ir/it/
[11:12] <SeanTater> nvm -- someone us #ubuntu just helped me
[11:12] <SeanTater>  /us/in/
[11:12] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, What do you mean "installing the package"?
[11:12] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, Is there a package named rpm?
[11:15] <miles_> hey all
[11:15] <miles_> java channel?
[11:15] <stdin> #java ?
[11:15] <miles_> [Channel]  You need to be identified to join that channel
[11:15] <miles_> o well
[11:17] <ardchoille> !register | miles_
[11:17] <ubotu> miles_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:18] <Tit0u_> lu
[11:28] <jhutchins_x> Boy, the join/part messages really make this channel hard to use without filtering...
[11:29] <stdin> try #ubuntu ;)
[11:29] <jhutchins_x> Found it.
[11:45] <lubos> how can I run startx after boot as a user foobar? thanks
[11:46] <[ifr0g] > lubos, sudo -u foobar startx
[11:47] <lubos> [ifr0g] : create script in /etc/init.d ?
[11:47] <jMerliN> sup noobs
[11:47] <lubos> [ifr0g] : but why I need sudo?
[11:47] <jMerliN> :( my mouse sensitivity is way too high and the mouse options in KDE just don't cut it.. at absolutely minimum it's stil about 3-4 times too fast
[11:48] <[ifr0g] > lubos, at boot it runs the login as root. which then lets you startx as a user you login as.
[11:48] <sokr> Originally I installed ubuntu. Now I just installed the kubuntu packages because I wanted to switch to KDE - that went well, except I now have all the Gnome applications laying around. Is there a way to uninstall all the old Gnome specific ubuntu packages?
[11:49] <lubos> [ifr0g] : ok... even that I have changed Xwrapper.config to allow anybody start X ?
[11:49] <stdin> sokr: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[11:49] <sokr> thanks stdin
[11:50] <[ifr0g] > lubos, yes, that would work too..
[11:51] <lubos> [ifr0g] : thanks
[11:52] <[ifr0g] > np
[11:54] <lubos> [ifr0g] : one more question. I need to run one more script after X starts. how do I ensure that the scripts starts only when X is running?  thanks
[11:55] <[ifr0g] > lubos, Put them into ~/.kde/Autostart/
[11:56] <[ifr0g] > Dont forget the make them executable.
[11:58] <lubos> [ifr0g] : I got a problem there. I do not have kde or gnome and this needs to be run as a root.. :-(
[11:59] <lubos> [ifr0g] : there is a file in foobar's directory which starts scripts ( xsession ) but i can not run scrips as a root from there..
[12:00] <[ifr0g] > lubos, then what wm do you use ?
[12:04] <bjwebb> how do i make the kdm login remember passwords?
[12:04] <lubos> [ifr0g] : fluxbox
[12:05] <jMerliN> :( my mouse sensitivity is way too high and the mouse options in KDE just don't cut it.. at absolutely minimum it's stil about 3-4 times too fast
[12:07] <lubos> is thre a way to find out from command line that X is running?
[12:07] <bjwebb> how do i make the kdm login remember passwords?
[12:08] <jMerliN> lubos
[12:08] <jMerliN> yes
[12:08] <lubos> bjwebb: do autologin
[12:09] <waylandbill> bjwebb: in kcontrol there is a login convenience section.
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: ?
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: and how?
[12:09] <romuloo> the convenience section allows to remember passwords?
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: :-)
[12:09] <jMerliN> ls -ag | grep X
[12:10] <romuloo> waylandbill
[12:10] <waylandbill> romuloo: amoung other things
[12:10] <bjwebb> waylandbill: thanks
[12:10] <romuloo> waylandbill: cool :)
[12:10] <waylandbill> jMerliN: best from a shell would be to examine the current terminal type.
[12:10] <lubos> jMerliN: would not this return value even if X just started.. maybe it takes 20 sec to start X
[12:11] <jMerliN> waylandbill: elaborate :P
[12:11] <rrichie> hi, what package do i need to install for kde4 under ubuntu please?
[12:12] <bluevette> Errm...  need some help.  I just did an adept update to my 7.10 system about 5 minutes ago, now my laptop's intel wireless device isn't working...  not initializing
[12:12] <jMerliN> kde4 packages aren't in the repositories in ubuntu are they?
[12:12] <rrichie> in backports
[12:12] <waylandbill> jMerliN: if it was an X program, it would already know if X was running from the library interface. If it's a command line, you would most likely need some interface to the terminal even if stdout/stderr, so knowing the terminal type would tell if the shell was an xterm shell or not.
[12:13] <waylandbill> rrichie: there's instructions on the kubuntu web page.
[12:13] <jMerliN> waylandbill: i think he means from a TTY console
[12:13] <lubos> rrichie: kde4base
[12:13] <bjwebb> kde4 was useless when i tried it
[12:13] <rrichie> ok
[12:14] <rrichie> thanks lubos
[12:14] <lubos> rrichie: np
[12:16] <waylandbill> jMerliN: look in the processes for the display manager that is listed in /etc/X11/default-display-manager would be a quick and dirty.
[12:16] <Vermux> can I connect to another network at the same time in Konversation?
[12:16] <waylandbill> Vermux: F2 and select the server. It will open a new tab.
[12:17] <Vermux> waylandbill: how do I connect to the undernet?
[12:17] <bluevette> okay... think I found the problem.  When I did the adept upgrade, it upgraded my kernel from <IP_ADDRESS>.17 to <IP_ADDRESS>.18..  but my "linux-restricted-modules-generice" which is showing my intel wifi chipset in it, did not upgrade. and if I ask it to upgrade it says "BREAK (upgrade)" thus cannot upgrade that package... and now wifi doesn't work
[12:17] <bluevette> suggestions
[12:19] <waylandbill> Vermux: as you would any other server. I don't use undernet, so I don't have exact instructions.
[12:26] <addyk> Does anybody have the problem of kdm hanging when logging out?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> addyk: handing so bad you can't restart it?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> *hanging?
[12:26] <addyk> Yes. nosrednaekim
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> and the computer locks?
[12:26] <addyk> Yeah...
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> addyk: do you have an ATI?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> graphics card.
[12:27] <addyk> just black and with a broken mouse "square"
[12:27] <addyk> Hmm, nope it's an i950 integrated
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> odd, well, you need to modify KDM to automatically restart itself on logout.
[12:28] <addyk> i810 drivers.
[12:28] <addyk> oh...
[12:28] <addyk> OK... lemme check
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> addyk: there is a tutorial somewhere its a common ATI problem.
[12:29] <FSHero> Hello all: I'm installing Kubuntu to my hard disk (I'm on step 4 - partitioning right now!)...
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: ok...
[12:29] <FSHero> ... but this article: http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/ says not to install GRUB to the MBR...
[12:29] <FSHero> ... any recommendations?
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: put it on the MBR
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: but thats not in that step is it?
[12:30] <FSHero> Why does that article say not to?
[12:31] <FSHero> The choice of installing to MBR is near the end steps, I think
[12:31] <addyk> nosrednaekim: well it is checked for "Automatically login after X server crash
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah, its is. let me read the article
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> addyk: where?
[12:31] <addyk> FSHero: In the login manager from the control panel
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> addyk: i'm talking editing a config file here.
[12:32] <addyk> nosrednaekim: why does it say that is because MBR can be overwritten by other O.S.-es I think... anyway... I've always used MBR.
[12:33] <addyk> Ouch kdm.conf ? :|
[12:33] <FSHero> Personally, I 've done an install before , dual booting with WinXP. I just accepted the default, I think. Everything has been fine so far.
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> addyk: yeah... but if you don't write to the MBR, you have to chainload which is a pain.
[12:34] <FSHero> atm, I'm trying to install Kubuntu to dual boot with Vista... but I'm doing a little extra reading to make sure I get it right!
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah just install to the MBR
[12:34] <FSHero> ok, np
[12:34] <FSHero> thanks guys
[12:34] <addyk> FSHero: hmm Vista first then Kubuntu
[12:34] <FSHero> incidentally... is it safe to leave Konversation running during the install?
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: yup
[12:35] <FSHero> addyk: Vista (unfortunately!) came preinstalled on my computer
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why do you have vista in the first place?
[12:35] <addyk> Oh... :| No problems :) if it's installed just install Kubuntu next to it.
[12:35] <FSHero> came preinsatlled
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why?
[12:35] <FSHero> *preinstalled
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why would you pay for that
[12:35] <FSHero> well... because my vendor (MESH) did it by default!
[12:36] <coreymon77> FSHero: you could probably ask for it without
[12:36] <coreymon77> for cheaper
[12:36] <coreymon77> or atleast get xp
[12:36] <FSHero> d'oh
[12:36] <FSHero> I didn't know that
[12:36] <coreymon77> atleast xp is better than vista
[12:36] <frank_> Knetworkmanager doesn't work for me in the gutsy beta while network-manager (ubuntu) works. anyone else experience this?
[12:37] <coreymon77> FSHero: preinstalled vista is not free
[12:37] <coreymon77> FSHero: they sneak in a charge for it in the price of the comp
[12:37] <FSHero> coreymon77: yeah,I know that the windows licence is included in the price
[12:37] <FSHero> but... well, I didn't think of asking for Windows XP :P
[12:37] <thommy> i've a problem
[12:38] <addyk> Hmm, where're kdm settings stored on ubuntu? (o.O) it's not in /etc/X11
[12:38] <FSHero> In fact, I think that the Vista Home Premium was less expensive than WinXP Pro SP2
[12:38] <thommy> i use xubuntu
[12:38] <addyk> thommy:  :) well there is #xubuntu but what problem is ther to xubuntu?
[12:38] <addyk> (there)
[12:38] <FSHero> I suppose I could've asked them for WinXP Home (it wasn't an option on the website though)
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> addyk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38915/comments/43
[12:38] <addyk> Thanks nosrednaekim


[00:32] <anya> hello
[00:32] <EriC^^> hi
[00:38] <daftykins> \o
[00:39] <daftykins> aww man EriC^^ why'd you do that? ;)
[00:39] <EriC^^> lol
[00:39] <EriC^^> it wasn't me :D
[00:39] <daftykins> :>
[01:28] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: still there?
[01:29] <daftykins> anya: wb
[01:30] <daftykins> XD
[01:30] <EriC^^> lol
[01:31] <EriC^^> this guy texla has an odd os-prober thingamabob going on
[01:31] <EriC^^> oh wow thingamabob wasn't spelling corrected here
[01:32] <daftykins> :D
[01:32] <daftykins> doo-hickey!
[01:32] <EriC^^> he has linux lite installed and ubuntu's grub isn't launching it, grub.cfg has an empty line for the kernel line, just "linux"
[01:33] <daftykins> possible there's mixed-mode booting going on?
[01:33] <EriC^^> and the rest below it is a mess, like menuentry 'root=uuid=42342342' and menuentry 'Description' and it's like one thing went wrong with it and it made the rest not right
[01:33] <daftykins> sounds like it needs the treatment from "Aliens"
[01:34] <EriC^^> i think there's something messing up the os-prober script, like maybe some character it doesn't expect in a filename or something like that and it's going bazerk, just a guess
[01:34] <daftykins> that'd fit!
[01:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah , I be here and watchong - caught a smoke  - ,, How bout we try and boot linux-lite from grub , purge grub and reinstall ?
[01:35] <EriC^^> that's interesting, he had a dpkg lock, i asked for ps aux | grep dpkg he gave this http://pastebin.com/jgAFA96B
[01:35] <EriC^^> the grub-pc.postinst script is still running, maybe it's somehow related? long shot..
[01:35] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: it's the ubuntu grub that's messed up though
[01:36] <OerHeks> he never rebooted these 2 hrs ..
[01:39] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: EriC^^ True, and we want to back out of /mnt/looksee prior to seeing what results from a re-boot .
[01:40] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I have not read all the config file . but redundancy ( round robin from os-prober )  within the file driving grub nuts ?
[01:42] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yes, the os-prober part isn't right at all
[01:43] <EriC^^> the kernel line just has "linux" and on the lines below it has menuentry 'root=uuid=434242 ^quietsplash^$vt_handoff' { stuff here
[01:45] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: In multi-boot systems I came to the conclusion there is but one boot athority . In all others but the primary I disable os-proper, and then run ' sudo update-grub ' to not see those seconday systems . In the primary pick up on booting the secondaries .
[01:49] <EriC^^> yeah it's a good idea to remove grub altogether from the secondary ones
[01:50] <EriC^^> maybe set -x will show more info
[01:51] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Well, not so much remove. still leave the ability to boot up if the primary fails . Also disabling os-prober in the secondaries eliminates kernel updates pre-empting the boot code .
[01:51] <EriC^^> this is the broken config btw http://termbin.com/gle0
[01:52] <daftykins> platform = xxen ? so this is a Xen VM?
[01:53] <EriC^^> mmm no idea
[01:53] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah sure if 2 hdd's why not keep grub!
[01:57] <EriC^^> so many ubuntu kernels there
[01:59] <daftykins> :D
[02:00] <daftykins> i'd be very interested if it's really a VM
[02:00] <daftykins> if it is, i'd launch that user into space
[02:00] <EriC^^> lol
[02:00] <OerHeks> snappy
[02:02] <daftykins> guys i have to share a mildly digusting tale with you
[02:03] <daftykins> i just put my in-ear headphones in to try some music out... but i noticed i was getting off-balance audio, so hmm i thought - confirm on another device, yep still the same
[02:03] <daftykins> then i popped the earpiece off the left (quieter) ear and found a piece of wax blocking the tube from the drivers :P
[02:03] <daftykins> yay fixed \o/
[02:04] <daftykins> that is all ^_^
[02:07] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: We get the system stable on sda6, I am all for getting rid of all those old kernels . So much to sort through as is . // Is it normal for os-prober in the config file to have so many entries for a single installed kernel ?
[02:08] <EriC^^> daftykins: lol
[02:09] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: nope
[02:09] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Agred sure looked odd to my mind .
[02:10] <EriC^^> maybe "stat /mnt/looksee/boot/vmlinuz*" will show some clues
[02:13] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Can not hurt to know what is set for booting .
[02:13] <EriC^^> it might show any weird chars in the filename
[02:15] <EriC^^> new cfg http://termbin.com/p9og
[02:15] <EriC^^> we decided to cheat and just use 40_custom :D
[02:19] <Bashing-om> reading .
[02:22] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Is cleaner, give it a whirl and see what flys .
[02:23] <EriC^^> i dont think i'll last, pretty sleepy at this point
[02:31] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: That happens ! .. get some shut eye . I am about 4 hrs to that condition .
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> quick jump in before work
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> morning anya
[05:41] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Get your day started off with a bang !
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah seems like crowded
[05:42] <Bashing-om> I just turned my back for a moment .. and Now I got catch up to do :)
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:03] <Bashing-om> Here be My backside for the duration . Laters .
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> working
[07:13] <ducasse> morning
[10:34] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[10:45] <ducasse> hiya EriC^^ - how are you today?
[10:57] <EriC^^> good thanks, just changed the fish's water
[10:57] <EriC^^> how are you?
[10:59] <ducasse> good thanks, just upgraded my laptop to zesty. didn't know the upgrade procedure now automatically makes a snapshot if on btrfs, nice feature.
[11:00] <EriC^^> wow nice
[11:03] <ducasse> makes it easy to rollback if it fails. seems it went well here, so i'll just delete it.
[11:07] <EriC^^> cool
[11:07] <EriC^^> rebooting time
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:17] <nicomachus> well darn, he got me there.
[15:18] <OerHeks> lonely people ..
[15:18] <OerHeks> :-D
[16:36] <OerHeks> Ubuntuforums.org is undergoing scheduled hardware upgrades https://ubuntuforums.org/
[19:53] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om, had your morning coffee? :)
[19:55] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Just about ! .. 2 more swallows . Forum is back up and my world in back-in-place :)
[19:56] <OerHeks> yay forum got new hardware, it looks better now
[19:57] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Expamded the ram too . should be significantly faster too :)
[19:57] <ducasse> do the forums run on canonical hw?
[19:58] <OerHeks> ducasse, i have no idea .. cloud perhaps?