[11:28] <dougtx> i ust mean I have had weird stuff happen in ubuntu I never had happen in debian
[11:28] <dougtx> ubuntu has given me weird wine issues, like one day something will work, I install another app, then its just broken, with no discernable reason
[11:29] <WillLuongo> bobstro: I can imagine. I just use it on my server (very good for server).
[11:29] <bobstro> i am generally pleased with how things are working on laptops lately. desktop linux has been solid for some time now,a t least for general stuff.
[11:29] <dougtx> i tell you what though, linux has come a LONG way in teh last 10 years
[11:29] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  i use a basic debian install on the server myself.
[11:29] <bobstro> dougtx:  oh god yes.
[11:29] <WillLuongo> bobstro: my wife won't let me put linux on the laptop. she thinks I will break it.
[11:29] <bobstro> dougtx:  i remember trying to get X and printers to work.
[11:29] <WillLuongo> lol
[11:29] <dougtx> i really cannot believe that I can use ubuntu for all my needs
[11:30] <dougtx> using crossover I can even use IE
[11:30] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  hehe, well some things can be tricky. but this is working very well (edgy) with a bit of tweaking.
[11:30] <WillLuongo> bobstro: I know that... try telling her! lol
[11:30] <bobstro> dougtx:  i'm using the ies4linux for msie.
[11:30] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  make her budget for the next round of software upgrades!
[11:31] <jhutchins> !ot
[11:31] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:31] <WillLuongo> bobstro: lol
[11:31] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  you could try a dual-boot setup.
[11:31] <WillLuongo> bobstro: unfortunately, we are stuck with software upgrades. We both use professional apps that open source hasn't yet replicated.
[11:32] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  ah, yeah. i'm in same boat for work. at least got family off of MS office.
[11:32] <WillLuongo> bobstro: She doesn't want me to do anything to the laptop with linux. It's her baby, and after I had a crash with slax in dual boot she wasn't having any of it.
[11:32] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  ah, too bad.
[11:33] <WillLuongo> bobstro: Yeah. But I will have a laptop to play with soon enough.
[11:33] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  you clearly need your own laptop. i've got kubuntu on this and it's doing very well overall.
[11:34] <geggam> no bobstro i have databaes clients... my OS choices are driven by applications and use
[11:34] <geggam> database
[11:34] <geggam> i am starting to migrate people to desktops with linux because vista is worthless and people dont wan to buy all new hardware
[11:35] <geggam> ubuntu is very smooth on this dell laptop and i will likely start using this instead of debian
[11:35] <WillLuongo> geggam: vista really is worthless. it makes me sad. Also, sad because ReactOS doesn't really work on any of my physical machines ATM.
[11:35] <bobstro> geggam:  i think it's ready if they can break the "need" for the proprietary crap.
[11:35] <WillLuongo> Debian was my first Linux distro
[11:35] <geggam> mandrake 6.5 was mine
[11:36] <geggam> they only have need for support... give them that and they will need u
[11:36] <bobstro> geggam:  how are you handling networking with linux desktop (e.g. roaming users). i'm tinkering with NIS/NFS but think i need to go LDAP.
[11:37] <geggam> case by case basis bobstro
[11:37] <geggam> some ldap and active directory integration
[11:37] <geggam> things like that
[11:37] <bobstro> geggam:  nfs for home directories?
[11:37] <geggam> i wouldnt
[11:37] <geggam> i just do what the customer wants
[11:37] <bobstro> i want to preserve desktop ("roaming profiles") capability.
[11:38] <geggam> ldap
[11:38] <geggam> same thing as active directory
[11:38] <bobstro> geggam:  oh, you can do desktop / $HOME with LDAP?
[11:38] <geggam> later .. i must go cook now
[11:38] <bobstro> heh, ok
[11:38] <bobstro> funny priorities, but ok.
[11:42] <jeffto> Hi everybody
[11:42] <WillLuongo> Be back later
[11:43] <chemicalvamp> lets say i wanted to duel boot xp mce and edgy, how would i go about doing that/
[11:43] <jhutchins> bobstro: You can do home over nfs.
[11:44] <HymnToLife> chemicalvamp, install Win first, Edgy afterwards, you're there :)
[11:44] <HymnToLife> if win is already installed, resize the win partition and install edgy
[11:44] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: Boot floppies, boot CD's, BIOS that lets you pick boot drive, netboot, or just the standard grub or lilo bootmanager that ubuntu installs.
[11:44] <bobstro> jhutchins:  that's what i'm doing here at home, but i'm wondering how well it scales. i'd like to have a solution that is independent of microsoft.
[11:44] <chemicalvamp> naw ide have to wipe everything
[11:45] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: No you wouldn't.
[11:45] <chemicalvamp> ide prefer to wipe everythig then
[11:46] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: There are also the virtualization systems like vmware, xen, bochs, virtualbox, etc.
[11:46] <chemicalvamp> i have qemu
[11:46] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: Use fdisk to repartition the drive, install XP to the first partition, then install kubuntu.
[11:46] <Alonea> ok, I need a little help. I am trying to get my grub back and I followed the instructions in the Using the Desktop/LiveCD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader  section, but that didn't work. The thing is, I have 2 hdds. One with windows, one with linux and I am not sure how to change the instructions on that page to fit my situation.
[11:47] <jhutchins> Alonea: Rather than telling us "that didn't work", tell us what did happen, and we will have something to work with.
[11:47] <hunshad> hey all
[11:48] <Alonea> jhutchins: well, it installed perfectly fine, no errors, but my computer is still booting into windows.
[11:48] <hunshad> i have question
[11:48] <bobstro> sounds like grub needs to go on boot drive
[11:48] <hunshad> antivus and spyware are important on kubuntu
[11:49] <Alonea> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:49] <jhutchins> Alonea: what bob said, install grub to the windows drive.
[11:49] <Alonea> thats the page I am following..
[11:49] <troll> hunshad:  no but there is clamav if you want it
[11:50] <Alonea> which section on there am I supposed to follow?
[11:50] <bobstro> Alonea:  do you know which partitions are which?
[11:50] <jhutchins> Alonea: Step six.
[11:51] <bobstro> jhutchins:  is mbr best?
[11:51] <Alonea> jhutchins: of which section?
[11:51] <pollyo> Hello
[11:51] <Alonea> Using the Desktop/LiveCD while preserving Windows Bootloader  that section?
[11:51] <WillLuongo> My apt-get is broken after i updated. It now says:
[11:51] <WillLuongo> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:51] <WillLuongo> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:51] <LjL> !adept fix
[11:51] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:51] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  are you root?
[11:51] <WillLuongo> thanks LjL
[11:51] <LjL> yeah, are you root indeed
[11:51] <WillLuongo> Bobstro: I sudo'ed it
[11:51] <LjL> permission denied is not the error message i really was thinking about
[11:51] <soulrider> do you guys know if theres a way to empty my swap or to see whats using it? its halfway full and i only got 200mb of RAM in use
[11:51] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  ok. just checking :)
[11:52] <soulrider> and theres nothing that should be using swap
[11:52] <soulrider> vmware was running, but its closed now
[11:52] <McFrosty> Is there a guide for MythTV with 7.04?
[11:52] <WillLuongo> WillLuongo: no problem. always start with the simple stuff... wait a minute! My computer isn't plugged in... ;)
[11:52] <Alonea> bobstro: yes. windows is on hda and linux is on hdb (hdb2 being root)
[11:52] <WillLuongo> oops
[11:52] <archangel_> questions on playing dvd's
[11:52] <WillLuongo> I meant to say that to Bobstro, not myself. lol
[11:52] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  heh
[11:53] <archangel_> easy ubuntu helped and played dvds for a while, but now all 'movie' dvds will not play
[11:53] <bobstro> Alonea:  i think "setup hd(0)" in that step 6 is what you're after.
[11:53] <bobstro> jhutchins:  any reason not to use mbr?
[11:53] <archangel_> home made (camcorder) dvds work
[11:54] <bobstro> Alonea:  did your windows show up in grub menu previously?
[11:54] <Alonea> bobstro: yeah. everything was fine until windows borked and I had to reinstall it
[11:54] <WillLuongo> It still isn't working
[11:54] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  is something else using apt?
[11:54] <archangel_> get same result with kaffiene as with VLC
[11:54] <troll> archangel: You need dvdcss
[11:54] <Alonea> bobstro: I did "Using the Desktop/LiveCD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader" section because i thought that was the one I was supposed to use..I wasn't sure. Someone just gave me that page and thats it
[11:55] <WillLuongo> bobstro: shouldn't be, I did a reboot
[11:55] <troll> it decrypts commecial dvds
[11:55] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  it's just that it's a LOCK issue, so i'm thinking something like that.
[11:55] <archangel_> apt get dvdcss?
[11:55] <bobstro> Alonea:  yes, it was step 6 there we meant
[11:56] <bobstro> Alonea:  did you do that yet?
[11:56] <pollyo> Anyone using Irkick?
[11:56] <pollyo> Also known as kdelirc or kcmlirc
[11:56] <troll> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[11:56] <archangel_> WillLuongo: how do I get it?
[11:56] <bobstro> Alonea:  just substitute what your system responds with for the hd(X) stuff.
[11:56] <archangel_> oh cool
[11:56] <archangel_> thanks
[11:57] <troll> I used automatix2, made it easy but that should work
[11:57] <pollyo> troll: Do you have to add a repository for that?
[11:57] <troll> for automatix2 you do
[11:57] <Ash-Fox> I really hate how firefox stops resolving things after disabling ipv6 in the kernel.
[11:57] <ScottLij> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[11:57] <hunshad> are there viruses and Trojan horse which can affect kubuntu
[11:57] <WillLuongo> bobstro: Can I check the services and kill it?
[11:58] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  yeah, see what package manager might be running. at least that's where i'd start.
[11:58] <hunshad> %c4antivus and spyware are important on kubuntu
[11:58] <archangel_> already at newest version it says
[11:58] <hunshad> antivus and spyware are important on kubuntu
[11:58] <pollyo> hunshad: A Trojan would be able to effect files that are owned by the user running an application from what I understand.  So watch what you run as "sudo"
[11:58] <Alonea> bobstro: I am on the computer that needs to be fixed...
[11:58] <archangel_> So i guess I already have it
[11:58] <bobstro> hunshad:  they won't be as successful, but yes there is the *potential*. i can't say i've seen anything effective.
[11:59] <ScottLij> how do you install dvdcss?  sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 gets this output: E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[11:59] <bobstro> Alonea:  yes, how far did you get with that process?
[11:59] <bobstro> did libdvdread3 supercede libdvdcss?
[12:00] <archangel_> ScottLij: sounds like you need vlc or kaffiene
[12:00] <WillLuongo> bobstro: I don't see any running package managers
[12:00] <mrigns> libdvdread3 if ur on edgy
[12:00] <ScottLij> kaffiene is installed
[12:00] <bobstro> WillLuongo:  possibly just a left-over lock file in /var/lock then?
[12:00] <mrigns> err on feisty
[12:00] <jhutchins> !dvd | ScottLij
[12:00] <ubotu> ScottLij: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:00] <hunshad> o
[12:00] <hunshad> ok
[12:01] <k> isnt there a vlc package?
[12:01] <mrigns> its libdvdread3 now
[12:01] <jhutchins> !adeptfix | WillLuongo
[12:01] <ubotu> WillLuongo: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:02] <archangel_> ScottLij: sorry man, I'm a nebie here. I wish I could help more. I was told to get VLC cause it handled movies better
[12:02] <Alonea> bobstro: I need to write down the instructions real quick. I didn't do any of that option one stuff. I did the second. one. will do the first one in a minute.
[12:03] <archangel_> ScottLij: however, I get the sae result (wont play encrypted movies)
[12:03] <vontux> does anyone in here use an "Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller"
[12:03] <vontux> video card
[12:03] <dragon> yeah i do
[12:03] <bobstro> vontux:  mine's a 945
[12:04] <WillLuongo> I get the following:
[12:04] <WillLuongo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of initramfs-tools:
[12:04] <WillLuongo>  initramfs-tools depends on volumeid; however:
[12:04] <WillLuongo>   Package volumeid is not installed.
[12:04] <WillLuongo> dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure):
[12:04] <WillLuongo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[12:04] <vontux> bostro: do you use tv-out at all?
[12:04] <WillLuongo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:04] <WillLuongo>  initramfs-tools
[12:04] <Alonea> bobstro: Should I write it to the MBR?
[12:05] <dragon> does anyone know how i can look at my fat32 partion bc all i see is cdrom
[12:05] <pollyo> dragon: You might have to mount it.
[12:05] <dragon> ok thx but how do i mount it?
[12:06] <archangel_> can anyone help me on playing encrypted movie dvds?
[12:06] <Dekans> encrypted ?
[12:06] <archangel_> (movie dvds)
[12:06] <Dekans> archangel_: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[12:07] <dragon> archangel is talking about css  lol
[12:07] <archangel_> I did
[12:07] <Alonea> archangel_: on linux, I have no idea. I do all my unencryptions in windows still...is it sony?
[12:07] <archangel_> already at newest version it says
[12:07] <bobstro> what repository does libdvdcss2 live in?
[12:07] <WillLuongo> !adept
[12:07] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:08] <Alonea> archangel_: if its sony's accros (or however you spell it), I haven't seen a way in linux yet.
[12:08] <Dekans> bobstro: you must find it on medibuntu if it's not on universe repo
[12:08] <WillLuongo> adept is gone
[12:08] <WillLuongo> i broke something
[12:08] <WillLuongo> lol
[12:08] <archangel_> not sure what your asking Alonea
[12:08] <Dekans> archangel_: wich player do you use ?
[12:09] <archangel_> kaffine and vlc
[12:09] <troll> goto your sources list and make sure the unuverse and multiverse repos are enables
[12:09] <Alonea> archangel_: look on your DVD, if it says sony pictures, then its accros, not CSS
[12:09] <archangel_> ok
[12:10] <Alonea> archangel_: there is the spelling: ARccOS
[12:11] <Alonea> i will be back in a bit..going to try to get my linux back.
[12:12] <archangel_> its touchtone pictures - columbia - hollywood pictures....