[00:25] <Elw3> Say what is the command to show ubuntu version?
[00:26] <Bashing-om> Elw3: One way: ' lsb_release -a '
[00:27] <Elw3> Ohhhh, i was actually trying this command but without the flag and it just reported no lsb module found.
[00:27] <Elw3> Thank you
[00:28] <Bashing-om> Elw3: :D
[00:29] <hggdh> you can also look at /etc/os-release -- this tends to work with all distros, and it is more verbose
[00:31] <sarnold> I like head /etc/*release* because it'll tell you the filenames involved, too
[00:32] <Elw3> Ah yea, that is actually nicer.
[00:39] <sarnold> grep . /etc/*release* is similar but different
[01:17] <jesse_> what are some good programs to install after starting an install of Ubuntu?
[01:18] <sarnold> that really depends on what you want to do with your computer
[01:21] <jhutchins> Which one shows the name instead of just the number?
[01:22] <jhutchins> I ran into something that checked for /etc/redhat-release, and got fooled because a lot of RPM distros have that too.
[01:28] <Bashing-om> jesse_: Looksee here: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/installed-ubuntu-22-04-do-these-things-next .
[01:28] <jesse_> can i have icons on ubuntu desktop?
[01:30] <jhutchins> jesse_: You mean the gnome desktop?
[01:30] <jesse_> yes
[01:30] <jesse_> i have a folder called Home
[01:31] <jhutchins> jesse_: Does it have a folder named "Desktop"?
[01:32] <jesse__> yes
[01:33] <jhutchins> jesse_: That would be where your own icons would go.
[01:34] <jhutchins> jesse_: I don't know the full path to the docs, but they're at http://freedesktop.org
[01:37] <pirota> Hi guys
[01:37] <jhutchins> jesse_: This might help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341810/how-to-create-a-desktop-icon-for-an-executable
[01:37] <jesse_> i think i got it figured out
[01:38] <jesse_> i turned on the preference for allowing "Links"
[01:38] <pirota> I am using lubuntu and I am trying to make a UBUNTU bootable USB. which program do I use to create a bootable usb?
[01:39] <jhutchins> jesse_: Looks like if you can find a .desktop file for the application you want to launch in /usr/share/applications, you can copy that to your Desktop folder and that should work.
[01:43] <jhutchins> jesse_: Ah.  Good work.
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> pirota: Here you go. :) https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[01:43] <jhutchins> !live
[01:44] <jhutchins> There's also good stuff at http://pendrivelinux.com
[01:44] <Eickmeyer> A million ways to skin a cat there. :)
[01:47] <jhutchins> Eickmeyer: Hey, that's linux.
[02:17] <webchat3852> Hello everyone. I'm so sorry for sending this non technical related message. But i'd just like to thank everyone for their support yesterday for helping me out with my problem. The feeling is just great that i can't even express verbally or by typing it here. I'd especially like to once again thank 'alkisg' for taking the time to go ahead and help
[02:17] <webchat3852> me out and guiding me step by step. It may be a very small matter in your eyes but that was a great help for me and i'm truly indebted. I wanted to send this message yesterday itself but then i felt it would have not been the right thing to do as someone else had also messaged for help. Anyways thanks soooo much once again. And stay safe and
[02:17] <webchat3852> healthy, everybody  :)
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> webchat3852: tnx for the feedback, what was it that fixed your issue exactly?
[02:22] <Bashing-om> webchat3852: :D Welcome to ubuntu - all for one and one for all.
[02:23] <webchat3852> @Bashing-om , Thanks :)
[02:28] <webchat3852> Well, I did an upgrade of my Ubuntu to the new 22.04 version but after the upgrade happened, the display had an 'Unknown resolution issue' later i came to know that the sound was also not working and my bluetooth was also not working. I thought it was a drivers issue and checked the gui setting for additional drivers and also tried a couple of
[02:28] <webchat3852> things like upgrage and update and some more stuff but nothing worked. Then i was told that the kernal version was an old one and had to be fixed i guess. that solved my problem
[02:29] <wez> webchat3852: @ signs don't work on IRC, infact, it has the opposite behaviour in most clients (in that it doesn't highlight the person at all).
[02:29] <webchat3852> just to add i have 2 HDD drives and multiple OS's on it... alkisg had helped me with things and i got it fixed...
[02:29] <alkisg> 👍
[02:30] <webchat3852> Thanks alkisg :)
[02:30] <alkisg> wez, it works for matrix!
[02:30] <webchat3852> hahaha
[02:30] <alkisg> You're welcome webchat3852 !
[02:33] <webchat3852> by the way can anyone help me with a linux mint issue... i'm facing a password loop issue..even if i enter the right password it accepts it but comes back to the password screen
[02:33] <webchat3852> is there a fix for this?
[02:35] <webchat3852> i did some trouble shooting by checking through some forum's online but got nowhere, like making more space on my HDD and some more things...But no hope
[02:38] <Bashing-om> !mint | webchat3852 We can not help with that one --
[02:39] <alkisg> webchat3852: this channel is restricted to Ubuntu, for Mint you'll have to join their own channel
[02:39] <webchat3852> ok, Thanks..Sure will do so..  :)
[02:40] <webchat3852> Tc, Everyone
[02:40] <webchat3852> Have a lovely day
[02:40] <wez> alkisg: Never heard of it :)  irssi <3
[02:41] <wez> Oh, you're using an IRC bridge?
[02:41] <octav1a> h
[02:41] <wez> Not really an IRC client then :)
[02:41] <wez> octav1a: no h!
[02:41] <alkisg> wez: eh, irssi is great but it doesn't have keyword and email notifications and multiple device support out of the box
[02:42] <wez> alkisg: Because you don't need any of that :)
[02:42] <alkisg> So yeah it's time for the future plus a bridge to the past
[02:42] <wez> Just run it in a screen or tmux and SSH to it
[02:42] <wez> or setup a bouncer, and connect to that
[02:42] <alkisg> With that, I cannot do voice typing on my phone like now
[02:43] <wez> Of course you can, you can change the inpout device in connectbot to voice, assuming you are on Android
[02:43] <wez> Don't know about iOS
[02:45] <alkisg> And I would have to maintain an always running server and connect it. And email notifications and a lot of other things
[02:46] <alkisg> And it wouldn't support drag and dropping images... Even protocols need to be updated and IRC is long past due
[02:56] <wez> alkisg: You don't need email notification.
[02:56] <wez> You don't need to drag and drop images either :)
[02:56] <alkisg> With the kind of support I do for my daily job I even need pop up notifications!!!
[02:57] <alkisg> And especially screen sharing...
[03:35] <wez> alkisg: It sounds like a bloated mess, trying to do everything in the one app.
[03:38] <alkisg> wez: there are multimedia applications and terminal applications. A proper communication application needs multimedia.  See all modern platforms and their messengers, from slack to telegram etc etc
[03:39] <alkisg> The terminal is awesome for administration. Not for communication.
[03:39] <alkisg> If someone types slowly I surely want to be able to tell him just call me on the same platform
[03:40] <wez> alkisg: I seem to be communicating just fine with you now :)
[03:41] <wez> Doesn't have to be the same platform / app, it could be the same device though
[03:42] <alkisg> The philosophy do one thing and do it well doesn't apply here unless you deliberately want to limit communication to text only.
[04:02] <genii> Text only is very effective, books did this for a long time
[04:22] <alkisg> It is very effective. Sight too is very effective. That doesn't mean I must NOT use my other senses, or that they don't have additional benefits.
[07:29] <genkgo> Hello. I have a question. Last night my unattended-upgrades for 18.04 upgraded networkd-dispatcher to 1.7-0ubuntu3.4. But this upgrade casues my system to reboot. And after that reboot, I run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to finish the reboot, causing the system to reboot again. I have investigated kern.log and syslog but I cannot find which process is causing the reboot.
[07:31] <genkgo> Now, I have a system that has quite some hardening features installed (https://github.com/konstruktoid/hardening). So it could be an installed package that is causing this, but I wonder why I cannot find any trace of it.
[07:48] <bittin> KDE and GNOME is having conference in Italy and Online now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPefa0Ckq8 https://linuxappsummit.org/
[08:03] <pagios> hi guys, i would like to get something like a network scanner for the sys admins to do basic scanning on hosts over the network, it needs to be easy to use (unlike nmap command lines and such) and minimalistic yet customizable, any opensource project i can rely on?  something like nmap gui
[08:23] <alkisg> pagios: regular usb scanners can be shared over the network, and then all tools like simple-scan can use them. You just need to make sure the scanner "server pc" is running
[08:29] <rajivmars> ok! I don't know much about Linux as I'm new into it. But as soon as ubuntu releases its 22.04 (which i am also using right now) most of the linux world is talking about snap and it seems there is a debate whether snaps are good or bad. Why most of the people don't like snaps? is there someting wrong with snaps? and sorry if this is not a relevant question here, i m just curious about it.
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> rajivmars: the big sitcking point for firefox is, that the startup time with firefox as snap is unbearable
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> practically that seems to depends on libraries etc, so not all application have this huge startup time increase as a snap, though it's fairly common with nontrivial applications
[08:39] <rajivmars> pmjdebruijn, oh.. so why canonical is doing this? i mean i heard that the firefox snap decision is made by mozilla itself.
[08:40] <pmjdebruijn> I don't see how mozilla would decide anything in Ubuntu
[08:40] <pmjdebruijn> the only thing Mozilla could do is not allow Ubuntu to use the Firefox trademark
[08:41] <pmjdebruijn> but I'd rather have a fast start Firefox that's called something else
[08:41] <pmjdebruijn> but I don't know the exact details either
[08:41] <rajivmars> pmjdebruijn, i think your right. also release by release canonical is encroaching with snaps.
[08:41] <pmjdebruijn> there are very valid usecases for snaps/flatpaks though
[08:42] <rajivmars> pmjdebruijn, are you using the snap version of firefox?
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> rajivmars: I reverted to a PPA, but I don't see that as a viable solution long term
[08:42] <rajivmars> yeah and most of the linux community seems to prefer flatpaks over snaps. is there any reason for that?
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> rajivmars: no clue really, flatpaks are more or less GNOME/RedHat's equivalent to snaps
[08:44] <rajivmars> exactly, but don't know most of the people are talking about flatpaks are better then snaps.
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> not sure whether that's true, also "better" only usually implies something about the priorities of someone saying that
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> core/critical applications shouldn't be either in my view
[08:45] <rajivmars> i myself also not seen much of differences between flatpak and snaps. they seems like same things backed by different companies
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> I'm sure there are many implementational differences, though the rough ideas are similar
[08:46] <rajivmars> yeah exactly, core application should always be stable like deb packages.
[08:47] <rajivmars> i hope firefox with snap/flatpak will be better with time.
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> doubtful, this slow startup problem has always been there, in 20.04 chromium was changed to snap, and it's paintfully slow to start still
[08:48] <pmjdebruijn> even if they reduced the overhead by 90%, it would be still be a very noticable difference
[08:48] <rajivmars> yeah chromium is still slow with snap.
[08:49] <pmjdebruijn> I do like having commercials apps like Teams via snap though
[08:49] <pmjdebruijn> that's slow either way
[08:50] <rajivmars> and the most ridiculous this is canonical is not providing the deb package is their repositories.
[08:50] <rajivmars> thing*
[08:51] <rajivmars> they should have provided at least the deb packages of these core applications in there repositories.
[08:55] <rajivmars> when ubuntu announces its 22.04 release, i thought its time to use pop os but then i decided to go with ubuntu because i think pop is a hardware centric release which is especially designed for system 76 machines.
[08:57] <rajivmars> let's see how the future goes for snaps/flatpaks. i hope it will be great:)
[08:57]  * alkisg has seen valid uses for sandboxing, but not valid uses for a new packaging format, other than to get the glory of a "who owns the main 'software centre' of linux third party apps"...
[09:55] <chilversc> Anyone know of a good image editor for labeling screenshots? I want something that supports text and vectors (as in can edit the text/vector later). I tried krita but not much of a fan, its interface is really awkward to do simple things.
[10:02] <ick> GIMP  is the elephant in the image editing room
[10:03] <chilversc> yeah, but GIMP is really complex, more so than Krita
[10:05] <chilversc> pinta is almost perfect in complexity, it just has the common issue I find with simpler tools that it rasterises the text and lines, so you can't adjust them later
[10:07] <arseru> Hi! I'm running ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and the updater this morning reported an error. I executed the following commands that should fix it, but more errors arose https://bpa.st/WRFA any ideas how to proceed from here without breaking everything?
[10:15] <overclucker> arseru: there's a couple packages marked for removal, might want to do that first
[10:29] <arseru> overclucker: do you mean manually removing them first with `sudo apt remove python3.7-distutils python3.7-lib2to3`? Won't that break other things in the background? I use python a lot
[10:30] <ThinkT510> sounds like the python you have installed is from a separate repo
[10:32] <arseru> ThinkT510: I use pyenv to manage different python versions, that's why I don't want to fuck this up XD
[10:34] <overclucker> lines 7-8 of your paste. further down it mentions conflicts specifically with one of those packages.
[10:35] <ThinkT510> a clean upgrade would involve removing any packages from 3rd party repos, disabling the repos and then upgradeing
[10:40] <arseru> I think it might have something to do with the deadsnakes PPA to install python
[10:42] <arseru> what do you guys think is the cleaner way to avoid many errors with python installs in ubuntu?
[10:42] <overclucker> apt autoremove
[10:46] <arseru> overclucker: that command fails and it tells me to run `apt --fix-broken install` which also fails
[10:46] <arseru> it's what I pasted in the pastebin before
[10:46] <arseru> I'm trying to `sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:deadsnakes/ppa` first to see if I can then run those commands again
[10:48] <arseru> well, that seems to have fixed it, running `sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f && sudo apt upgrade` seems to be proceeding now
[10:49] <overclucker> should've guessed you still had the ppa
[10:51] <overclucker> I've only had problems with ppas when I'm away from home and I'm trying to upgrade remotely with my phone
[10:56] <hype> I can't install Postfix on ubuntu 20.04. After the installation screen is finished, "Ok" is displayed, but there is no response when I press the return key.
[10:59] <arseru> I don't know if I should be worried about the update-initramfs messages in the end https://bpa.st/IKZQ
[11:02] <ogra> arseru, I: mans "info" ... nothing to worry about
[11:03] <arseru> ogra: thanks :)
[11:03] <arseru> thanks for the help overclucker & ThinkT510
[11:03] <ThinkT510> no worries
[11:09] <TomTom> Any idea where to get firmware files for an old NVIDIA ION GPU? nouveau complains about missing firmware `kernel: nouveau 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nvac_fuc084 failed with error -2` and this `nvac_fuc084` seems to be not part of any firmware-/nonfree/misc packages
[11:11] <ogra> TomTom, perhaps nouveau-firmware ?
[11:14] <TomTom> no. already installed and none of the firmware files in /lib/firmware/nouveau has a similar naming scheme...
[11:21] <ogra> TomTom, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1751497/comments/2
[11:30] <Nander>     So, I tested my bugging laptop on Fedora, problem persisted there. Then I asked the IT desk here to test it on Windows, and not even that one works
[11:31] <Nander> Thanks for the support, it wasn't an Ubuntu issue in the end
[11:31] <TomTom> ogra: thanks... don't know why I was not able to find that :-/
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:52] <bittin> hi
[12:24] <pmjdebruijn> it seems subiquity generate netplan yaml with gateway4, which leaves to deprecation warnings, presumably this is known?
[12:25] <bittin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPefa0Ckq8 Ubuntu Q&A now
[12:28] <GSMarquis> Any issues with a AMD 6700xt? Finally scored one after waiting over a year for a normal price.
[12:31] <pycurious> on my ubuntu setup i see nvidia driver 470 and 510  both installed - is this normal? can i cleanup to have only the updated version?
[12:31] <pycurious> nvidia-smi shows 510
[12:32] <pycurious> I also see this in my logs: 2022-04-29 06:16:20,131 INFO Package nvidia-utils-510 is kept back because a related package is kept back or due to local apt_preferences(5).
[12:42] <pycurious> I got it to work - had to remove the kept-back file manually
[12:48] <signofzeta> I just upgraded from 21.10 to 22.04, and now I can't get the GNOME login screen. `systemctl restart gdm` just gets me a blinking underline cursor on the screen.  The only error I could find in journalctl was "/usr/libexec/gcr-prompter: symbol lookup error /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined symbol wl_proxy_marshal_flags"
[12:50] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings! Updated to Ubuntu 22.04 recently and am wondering how I can get the file navigator to open the recently opened directory, when I attach files in an application. It used to have this behavior in Ubuntu 20.04. Also, whenever I clicked on an image in the attachment navigator, it would show a preview. In Ubuntu 20.04, it no longer does that.
[12:56] <signofzeta> I figured out my issue:  remove old amdgpu files from /etc/ld.so.conf.d, run ldconfig.  Somehow, GDM starts normally!  Inspiration: https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/issues/5088
[12:56] <signofzeta> Sorry, manwhowouldbekin, but I'm not sure about that.  I just got my 22.04 running, so if I notice that, I'll take a look for you.
[13:05] <aberrant> hi all. Does the fact that 22.04 is LTS mean that package/OS updates will be more conservative? I'm currently running 21.10 and am wondering whether to upgrade.
[13:06] <aberrant> I'd prefer to be on the cutting edge.
[13:06] <ravage> then Ubuntu is not for you in general
[13:07] <aberrant> well, cutting edge of ubuntu :)
[13:08] <ravage> package versions usually stay the same or only get minor and security releases within a release lifetime
[13:08] <aberrant> ravage: is there any disadvantage of going 21.10 to 22.04 to 22.10 when it comes out?
[13:08] <ogra> it got less strict over the years, but what ravage says is essentially true
[13:08] <ravage> you get newer packages
[13:09] <aberrant> yeah, I understand the advantages. What are the drawbacks (if any)?
[13:09] <ravage> if you update to 22.10 you have to update again after 9 months
[13:09] <ogra> aberrant, non LTS has massively shorter support cycles, so you need to upgrade to a new release more opten
[13:09] <ogra> *often
[13:09] <aberrant> ogra: yeah. I've been on non-LTS for years.
[13:10] <ogra> well, then you know 🙂
[13:10] <aberrant> (well, I mean, I ran 20.04 but it was a hop between 19.10 and 20.10)
[13:10] <aberrant> yeah. I seem to recall that the upgrade from 20.04 to 20.10 was not really smooth.
[13:12] <ravage> i stayed on LTS releases since 18.04. i never needed the most up to date packages. for some i use(d) PPA. Now some snaps too.
[13:13] <ravage> but in summary: as soon as your update manager offers you the 22.04 upgrade just do it
[13:13] <wez> Blindly do it?
[13:14] <wez> No concern on breaking changes?
[13:14] <wez> Do it on a test system first or production?
[13:14] <aberrant> yeah, 22.04 is available.
[13:15] <ravage> wez, doing upgrades should always include those considerations
[13:15] <wez> ravage: You didn't mention it though
[13:18] <ravage> i did not mention that you should have a keyboard conneted either
[13:18] <aberrant> trying the upgrade on a throwaway lxc
[13:19] <ogra> wez, indeed you blindly do it, because you indeed made a backup before runing it, so there is no risk 😉
[13:19] <ravage> not a lot to consider here then
[13:19] <wez> ravage: You cant type without a keyboard, to ask a question in irc. you can a command without fully knowing the consewuences of it
[13:19] <ravage> wez, lets stop
[13:19] <wez> run a commsbd in
[13:20] <wez> ravage: yiu started it mate
[13:20] <ogra> yeah, take it to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic ... not really a support case
[13:22] <wez> ogra: ummm, ravage was offering bad advice, that's out of topic here?
[13:22] <ogra> what wrong advise ?
[13:22] <wez> Not just bad but potentially dangeroudls
[13:23] <ogra> if the update manager offers you the update it should generally be safe and tested
[13:23] <wez> uograding without a proper disclaimer
[13:23] <ogra> weither way ... offtopic here
[13:23] <ogra> *either
[13:24] <aberrant> +seth@beryllium:~ $ cat /etc/issue
[13:24] <aberrant> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS \n \l
[13:24] <manwhowouldbekin> signofzeta, Thanks! Please let me know. I like the rest of it quite a bit, though!
[13:25] <aberrant> seems to be ok
[13:25] <ravage> yay! :)
[13:26] <aberrant> ...and fast, too
[13:26] <aberrant> what was that, 7 minutes?
[13:28] <aberrant> (and thanks for the concerns re: backups - I run linux containers that are backed up via restic from the host OS.)
[13:29] <jhutchins> aberrant: What do you do to back up the host?
[13:30] <aberrant> the host just hosts the linux containers, so I make sure the lxc configs are rsynced to another machine that uses backblaze, and that's it. If the host dies, it's not a huge deal.
[13:30] <aberrant> I can rebuild it on anything that can support lxc/lxd, and then restore the containers to the new box.
[13:31] <Chorca> Anyone had an issue with 22.04 where the wifi refuses to connect to a particular SSID? Been reviewing the supplicant debug log but it just won't even attempt a connection.
[13:32] <jhutchins> ablutor_: Just make sure you've got all your system configs backed up.  They tend to evolve over time, and if your backup's not current it can be a real pain to restore the platform.
[13:32] <aberrant> there we go.
[13:32] <aberrant> main machine upgraded :)
[13:32] <peirik> Is there an easy way to paste an image from clipboard into i.e. nautilus to save it as a file?
[13:32] <peirik> Or otherwise save an image from clipboard to file?
[13:32] <aberrant> jhutchins: yeah, I get it. restic runs every day and is configured to keep the last 90 days.
[13:33] <jhutchins> Chorca: Sounds like a protocol difference, something about encryption or credentials.
[13:34] <Chorca> It's a WPA-EAP connection, but it supplicant doesn't seem to identify the SSID as a candidate for connection
[13:34] <jhutchins> peirik: Maybe paste it into something like the Gimp, or I've had pretty good luck getting clipboards to paste to OOWriter.
[13:35] <ravage> peterrooney, https://github.com/atareao/nautilus-copypaste-images i used this years ago. no idea if it still works
[13:35] <ravage> sorry
[13:35] <ravage> peirik,
[13:35] <jhutchins> Chorca: Try something other than RSA for the key.
[13:35] <peirik> jhutchins: yeah, seems a bit cumbersome to have to open gimp etc for something so simple :/
[13:35] <jhutchins> Chorca: Does password work?
[13:36] <jhutchins> Chorca: Also use the -v -vv -vvv options to get more details of why  it's rejecting it.
[13:36] <Chorca> I can connect to other networks fine, ones that are WPA-PSK, just this particular one doesn't
[13:36] <peirik> ravage: thanks, i guess im looking for a solution that doesnt require plugins though
[13:37] <ravage> there is no built in support for what you want
[13:38] <peirik> ravage: yeah, i guess :/ thanks anyways :)
[13:39] <aberrant> weird. One of my containers is stuck after "reading state information...Done"
[13:40] <aberrant> Reading package lists... Done
[13:40] <aberrant> Building dependency tree... Done
[13:40] <aberrant> Reading state information... Done
[13:40] <aberrant> ...and then nothing
[13:43] <dreinull30> I have a laptop that will be used for an exam. Is there a simple way to disable via systemd the wifi connectivity? Or all network so that only the admin can reactivate network access again? cli preferrred.
[13:49] <aberrant> problem solved by removing snapd. :P
[13:51] <nonix4> How to disable DPMS on Wayland? Only for specific monitors [DP MST master(s)] if possible.
[14:05] <ravage> dreinull30, "sudo ip r a <IP_ADDRESS>/0 dev lo" should result in a pretty much offline system for IPv4. you may have to do the same for v6. if the user does not have sudo privileges that should be enough to keep it offline
[14:05] <tomreyn> dreinull30: for (only) wireless: sudo rfkill block all
[14:05] <ravage> you can remove the route with "sudo ip r d <IP_ADDRESS>/0 dev lo"
[14:06] <ravage> rfkill should work too. as long as nobody plugs a cable in :)
[14:06] <dreinull30> ah, nice.
[14:06] <dreinull30> wonderful solution
[14:07] <dreinull30> wire is actually ok
[14:07] <dreinull30> both will do for now. Thank you very much
[14:08] <ravage> is rfkill reboot safe?
[14:08] <ravage> my route is not btw :D
[14:09] <dreinull30> oh, it must be reboot safe
[14:09] <tomreyn> actually rfkill can be overridden by a restricted user thanks to network manager
[14:09] <ravage> so maybe stop that service too :)
[14:10] <ravage> or disable it
[14:10] <ravage> my advice is that you try to hack yourself until you think its ok to give it to a student :)
[14:11] <ravage> or if you want to be safe open the laptop and remove the wifi module. he the student does not come with a USB device that should be safe ;)
[14:12] <ravage> oh another idea
[14:12] <ravage> blacklist the wifi kernel module?
[14:14] <ravage> well. i guess i can stop. gone :D
[14:17] <nonix4> well you could add the null-route to netplan configs
[14:18] <Chorca> Hmm. Looks like a NetworkManager bug
[14:19] <Chorca> wpa-supplicant is returning an error to set properties on the network "invalid message format"
[14:21] <ravage> Chorca, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/475093/cant-connect-to-wifi-with-wpa-eap maybe?
[14:21] <ravage> no idea what kind of AP you try to connect to
[14:24] <Chorca> Hmm, that line doesn't appear to be in the file
[14:24] <Chorca> It's an Aruba ap for a corp network, uses WPA-EAP
[14:25] <lsd|2> there's no 'radeonontop' package in newest release
[14:25] <lsd|2> 22.04
[14:26] <Chorca> I'll hafta see if there's a debug option for networkmanager to see what it's sending over dbus
[14:27] <tomreyn> !info radeontop 22.04
[14:27] <tomreyn> !info radeontop jammy
[14:27] <tomreyn> lsd|2: wrong
[14:28] <tomreyn> unless you meant that verbatim
[14:29] <lsd|2> propably i dont have ticked on extra repository in KDE, thanks tomreyn
[14:29] <lsd|2> fresh install
[14:29] <tomreyn> i would expect universe to be enabled by default on an ubuntu kde flavor. but i can be wrong.
[14:30] <tomreyn> after all, kde is from universe, too
[14:31] <pycurious> is there a way to find out if the system I have has a GPU installed? (without doing sudo apt-get install pciutils)
[14:32] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release is this?
[14:32] <ravage> without a GPU you dont see anything
[14:32] <ravage> so i would assume it has one then
[14:32] <jhutchins> Raqbit: Some systems use the CPU for any graphics processing tasks.
[14:33] <oerheks> $ lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A1
[14:33] <jhutchins> ravage: ^
[14:33] <pycurious> ravage: I have gpu hardware plugged in - want to detect if the OS sees it?
[14:33] <jhutchins> Foibles of tab complete...
[14:33] <pycurious> oerheks: for that I need to install pciutils - is there another way?
[14:33] <Raqbit> Woah, that was first IRC ping I've received in years :P
[14:33] <ravage> you are welcome :P
[14:33] <Raqbit> Good to know the notification still works
[14:34] <oerheks> pycurious, if you need to install that, you run no ubuntu.. i did not install that package.
[14:34] <jhutchins> pycurious: Is there a reason you don't want to install pciutils?
[14:35] <jhutchins> "I want to drive my car, but I don't want to install the steering wheel."
[14:35] <oerheks> jhutchins, it is standard installed, no?
[14:35] <jhutchins> !info pciutils
[14:35] <Chorca> Looks like the issue is empty strings that NM drops into the config files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. There's a patch but it was in 1.39.1, and 22.04 is still only on 1.36.4. Deleting the empty strings from the config file and then restarting the NM service seems to allow connecting.
[14:35] <jhutchins> oerheks: It would so appear.
[14:36] <jhutchins> Chorca: Good detective work.  Modern config files should tolerate comments and blank lines.  Not sure how that differes from "empty strings".  Undefined options?  "OPTION="?
[14:37] <tomreyn> pycurious: as we must have told you a dozen times, this is a support channel for *ubuntu*, not your other linux distribution
[14:37] <Chorca> I guess there's a 'normalize empty strings' function that was added to NM to prevent it from sending them to wpa-supplicant.
[14:38] <tomreyn> pycurious: please respoect this - i'm happy to ban you if you continue to abuse this.
[14:55] <nonix4> tomreyn: technically ubuntu cloud images don't include ubuntu-standard, just ubuntu-minimal?
[14:57] <nonix4> pycurious: log contents from "dmesg" are actually quite useful for checking what the kernel has seen so far.
[14:58] <oerheks> nonix4, maybe he has to install dmesg utils too
[14:58] <oerheks> how do we tell?
[15:00] <FurretUber> Hi, is there a way to configure cloud-init user-data so it doesn't create the ubuntu user?
[15:02] <leftyfb> FurretUber: I'm pretty sure the ubuntu user exists in the cloud images by default. You'll want to remove it using whatever method you are using to manage your system
[15:03] <nonix4> FurretUber: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html comments contain plenty about default user creation, may want to read through that.
[15:04] <alone_dev> hello dear friends  , I have an offtopic question ... how I can find a girlfriend that she intresting linux ? ( please help me about that if possible )
[15:04] <ravage> !ot | alone_dev
[15:04] <leftyfb> !ot | alone_dev
[15:06] <FurretUber> So the ubuntu user already exists by default in the image, as I tried with and without the - default. The most portable way would be with runcmd?
[15:07] <leftyfb> FurretUber: yes, to delete the user
[15:07] <FurretUber> Ok, thank you
[15:09] <alone_dev> tnx I asked my question there !
[15:15] <stevenm__> Imagine your xorg crashes but your processes that represent your apps are STILL running in the background despite the fact xorg crashes and probably relaunched itself
[15:15] <stevenm__> This happens to me a lot... personally I think it's NoMachine's fault - but that doesn't matter right now.
[15:16] <stevenm__> Is there anyway to have xorg re-claim these background apps?  i.e. rebuild the session ?
[15:16] <stevenm__> It would help massively if there was
[15:29] <peirik> Is there an easy way to install older versions of programs? I.e. the latest VLC has some weird issue where videos are played in a separate window, and I'd like to check if older versions have the same issue. Is there some way of specifying desired app version in apt or snap store?
[15:31] <peirik> Or do I need to compile the version from source manually? :/
[15:33] <ravage> peirik, https://snapcraft.io/vlc
[15:33] <ravage> 3 versions to choose from
[15:40] <nonix4> peirik: And for the debs.... apt-cache show vlc; apt-cache policy vlc; sudo apt-get install vlc=3.0.16-1build7
[15:47] <WereCatf> I am attempting to use a Huawei E3372H-320 LTE-stick in serial/PPP-mode and Ubuntu 22.04 sees the modem just fine, connects to the ISP and all that, but only assigns an IPv4-address to the WWAN-interface. I know for a fact that it's supposed to be getting an IPv6-address, but that's not happening for some reason. Is this a bug or what's going on?
[15:48] <peirik> ravage: Cheers 🍻
[15:50] <deskwizard> Howdy! :)
[16:09] <ogra> peirik, do you use nvidia hardware ? (i dont thnk it is a vlc issue but a driver problem=
[16:09] <ogra> )
[16:11] <peirik> I do 🤔 I think it's this issue: https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/25692
[16:12] <peirik> Seems the problem doesnt occur in 3.0.12
[16:13] <oerheks> today 3.0.16 is stable..
[16:14] <peirik> Yeah, that's what I had initially. That version definitely has this issue :(
[16:15] <ogra> the 3.0.16 snap works well on my intel laptop but exposes the issue on my nvidia desktop ... i'm pretty sure it is related to the interaction with the driver
[16:16] <ogra> (it is there for so long now, that i simply got used to it 😛 )
[16:16] <peirik> Funny enough, the problem only happens when I double-click a video file in nautilus. If I rather drag the video fiel into VLC - it's plays fine in a single integrated window. Really weird...
[16:17] <oerheks> peirik, wayland or xorg session?
[16:28] <angellinux2204lt> swicht to xorg for the moment wayland for ubuntu 22.04 is no very good whit drivers nvidia
[16:32] <nonix4> guess I'll need to consider falling back to xorg for amdgpu too, unless somebody knows how to disable DPMS with wayland :-/
[16:33] <nonix4> (context: default 22.04 install with almost nothing changed)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> how can I tell if I'm using Wayland or Xorg?  I'm on a boringly stock Ubuntu 22.04 with NVidia binary drivers
[16:37] <gordonjcp> is there a way to use older AMD cards no longer supported by the binary drivers, with OpenCL?
[16:37] <tomreyn> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:38] <peirik> hm, XDG_SESSION_TYPE says x11 on my system 🤔
[16:38] <tomreyn> AMD? binary drivers? are you referring to fglrx or amdgpu-pro?
[16:39] <tomreyn> peirik: this is (was?) also X11: https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/26214
[16:39] <peirik> tomreyn: yea 😕
[16:42] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: which graphics chipset?
[16:48] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: not sure which chipset but AMD HD7900 card
[16:49] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: quite old now but roughly four times as powerful as my GT1030, in a thumping great dual Xeon CAD machine
[16:49] <gordonjcp> with like 64GB of RAM and stuff
[16:49] <gordonjcp> I'd like to use it for video editing but it was running Windows 7
[16:50] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: i think this should work with the amdgpu driver. and mesa-icd
[16:50] <tomreyn> mesa-opencl-icd rather
[16:52] <gordonjcp> okay, cool
[16:52] <gordonjcp> I'll dig it out and try that
[17:09] <tomreyn> gordonjcp: if this comes up with the (older generation, also open source) radeon driver instead (lsmod && lspci -knnv | grep -A3 VGA) you may need to booth with kernel parameters radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1    - this shifts support for "southern islands" generation cards from the radeon driver to the (newer) amdgpu driver.
[17:09] <rdz> hey all. What's going on with launchpad.net? It's been saying "start in 2 hours" for already 20 hours.
[17:10] <tomreyn> rdz: what's the url where you see this?
[17:10] <rdz> tomreyn: https://launchpad.net/~reduzierer/+archive/ubuntu/reduzent/+build/23579533
[17:11] <rdz> tomreyn: i am trying to add a new version of a package for my PPA
[17:11] <tomreyn> rdz: probably an issue with one of the builders. try the launchpad channel
[17:11] <rdz> tomreyn: what's the name? #ubuntu-launchpad?
[17:11] <tomreyn> !alis | rdz
[17:12] <tomreyn> i think it's just #launchpad
[17:12] <rdz> tomreyn: thanks!
[17:12] <rdz> #launchpad
[17:12] <mort> hey, where does ubuntu provide the static llvm libraries? Ubuntu ships an `llvm-config` which, when passed `--libnames --link-static`, lists a bunch of static libraries, but those static libraries aren't included in the normal llvm package
[17:29] <mort> ah, apt-file tells me it's from libclang-common-<version>-dev
[17:29] <cbreak> mort: it's not installed when you get llvm-12-dev or what ever?
[17:30] <cbreak> mort: for me, they end up in /usr/lib/llvm-12/lib/ for example
[17:39]  * filename kills tinsoldier with a mIRC script
[17:48] <gordonjcp> tomreyn: ah, it looks like the card doesn't do any kind of opencl anyway
[17:48] <dob1> is this a mozilla official launchpad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam  ?
[17:49] <MadLamb> How could I debug what is going wrong with my internet connection? When I am connected with wire and I am gaming it randomly disconnects.
[17:50] <ogra> dob1, it used to be the ubuntu community and canonical mozilla team ...
[17:52] <ogra> dob1, note: "last edited: ... 2015" ...
[17:53] <dob1> ogra: yes, but they are active on the ppa
[17:53] <ogra> dob1, migh be ... i'd guess that'll soon be shot down though ...
[17:54] <ogra> (mozilla asked to nuke all debs, so it would be surprising if that stayed around)
[17:55] <dob1> ogra: I was thinking about this indeed, if the choice is to go with no deb why there is an official ppa that distributes debs ?
[17:55] <dob1> (for firefox)
[17:56] <ogra> that is not and has never been "fficial mozilla" ... it has been "canonical packagers and communty"
[17:56] <leftyfb> dob1: the official manner from Mozilla is snap
[17:57] <dob1> last time I tried it was not ok with dpms
[17:57] <ogra> did you file an issue ?
[17:57] <lsd|2> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/TCwiuRHV
[17:57] <lsd|2> doesnt work mate
[17:57]  * ogra has never seen issues with DPMS and frefox ... no matter how it was packaged
[17:57] <leftyfb> dob1: have you tried firefox in 22.04?
[17:58] <dob1> ogra: it can be related to the window manager ?
[17:58] <dob1> *windows
[17:58] <ogra> it can be related to a bunch of things ...
[17:58] <dob1> leftyfb: I am still on the previous distribution, not upgrading right now. just asking before upgrade
[17:59] <leftyfb> dob1: ok, feel free to post here when you actually try firefox on 22.04 and if you have an issue with it
[17:59] <ogra> could be the WM, could be the driver, could be the power mangement framework ... or could be the app ... though i wouldnt see what firefox has to do with a low level power management system
[17:59] <leftyfb> ogra: we're talking all hypotheticals here
[17:59] <ogra> yep, absolutely
[17:59] <ogra> (on both sides 😉 )
[18:00] <tomreyn> lsd|2: what's the url returned by    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:00] <oerheks> gnome has a pretty neat snap settings to scroll through
[18:00] <dob1> ok right, I have to test it with the last distribution to know if the issue is still present, but I was sure the was (watching a youtube video for example didn't deactivate the dpms)
[18:00] <leftyfb> oerheks: where is that?
[18:01] <ogra> the snap-store "permissions" button ?
[18:01] <leftyfb> dob1: we only support ubuntu here
[18:01] <lsd|2> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/hurh
[18:01] <dob1> leftyfb: I am using ubuntu
[18:03] <oerheks> oh, skype repo has an expired key? https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/all/skype-for-linux-client-repo-key-expired/eaf6ebad-42a0-46ac-82af-31a4f2bb22b2
[18:03] <tomreyn> lsd|2: you're still misspelling "radeontop"
[18:04] <leftyfb> ogra: https://imgur.com/a/RGEOK8i no button here
[18:04] <WereCatf> I am attempting to use a Huawei E3372H-320 LTE-stick in serial/PPP-mode and Ubuntu 22.04 sees the modem just fine, connects to the ISP and all that, but only assigns an IPv4-address to the WWAN-interface. I know for a fact that it's supposed to be getting an IPv6-address, but that's not happening for some reason. Is this a bug or what's going on?
[18:05] <lsd|2> tomreyn: thanks solved im not natural english speaker so logically i would say that app name, solved
[18:05] <tomreyn> :)
[18:05] <oerheks> leftyfb, there will be a settings button, only after install
[18:05] <oerheks> 'permissions´
[18:05] <ogra> yeah, you can not manage interface connectios without having the snap side installed
[18:05] <leftyfb> it is installed
[18:06] <ogra> leftyfb, https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/site_media/appmedia/2020/03/zoom-perm.png ... (from 20.04 though, they look more modern nowadays)
[18:06] <mort> cbreak: no, llvm-12-dev just had the .so
[18:07] <oerheks> it shows on 21.10 .. https://imgur.com/a/flddx6d
[18:07] <ogra> leftyfb, it says "install" ...
[18:07] <mort> only clang-common-12-dev has the .a files, which seems like the wrong package for them tbh
[18:07] <leftyfb> ogra: so another bug then
[18:07] <ogra> that doesnt look like it is installed ...
[18:07] <ogra> yeah
[18:07] <leftyfb> ogra: https://imgur.com/a/m65Di1B
[18:07] <leftyfb> previous screen
[18:08] <oerheks> no, you should see "remove' ??
[18:08] <leftyfb> mind you, this is the 22.04 image for the pi4
[18:08] <oerheks> oh indeed
[18:08] <ogra> well, it shoudl still show permissions
[18:08] <ogra> there isnt (or shouldnt be) any difference between pi or x86 on that level ...
[18:09] <ogra> worth a bug report for sure
[18:09] <leftyfb> if I click install, it does a thing then changes to the trash and permission buttons
[18:09] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+filebug
[18:09] <cbreak> mort: weird. maybe you're on a different ubuntu version
[18:09] <tomreyn> WereCatf: you should check logs, possibly enable some verbose or debug logging, and see whether it receives an ipv6 address assignment via dhcp6 or RA
[18:09] <mort> 22.04
[18:10] <oerheks> your updates shows a red dot..
[18:10] <ogra> leftyfb, ouch ...
[18:10] <WereCatf> tomreyn: Enable verbose log where? For what component?
[18:10] <cbreak> mort: https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/amd64/llvm-12-dev/filelist, lots of .a are listed here
[18:11] <tomreyn> WereCatf: the software that sets up the connection and modem. on a desktop, probably modem manager and network manager
[18:12] <filename> terminate 4 best
[18:13] <leftyfb> filename: can we help you with something?
[18:13] <filename> rename me
[18:13] <leftyfb> filename: /join #libera if you need help with IRC
[18:14]  * filename join #libera
[18:15] <neuromance> Hi there! I just installed Ubuntu Desktop 22.04, and to my sadness, WinTile isn't working anymore. I'm a bit shocked to notice that even rudimentary window tiling (snapping on screen corners on drag and drop) or winkey (ahem, super-key) + arrowkeys aren't working by default in GNOME42 that the new Ubuntu uses! Sad!
[18:15] <leftyfb> filename: looks like you first joined there on February 13th and have been there ever since off and on.
[18:15] <filename> me?
[18:16] <leftyfb> filename: yes
[18:16] <leftyfb> neuromance: wintile isn't a supported package in ubuntu
[18:16] <neuromance> any ideas what could I do to (re-)enable window snapping in Ubuntu Desktop 22.04? It's kind of insane that this is a no-brainer in other ubuntu flavors like Xfce...
[18:16]  * filename throws a baseball bat at leftyfb
[18:16] <neuromance> leftyfb: it's a GNOME extension.
[18:16] <leftyfb> filename: this isn't the place. This is a support channel. Feel free to post random stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:16] <leftyfb> neuromance: ok, you'll need to contact the extension developer then
[18:17] <neuromance> leftyfb: Extensions manager application says WinTile is not currently compatible with Ubuntu's version of GNOME.
[18:17] <tomreyn> neuromance: use shelltile
[18:17] <neuromance> Sad, because it used to work before the update.
[18:17] <neuromance> Also, how come winkey+arrows are not working at all in the new Ubuntu? is that a bug or a feature?
[18:18] <neuromance> Also, is that a bug or a feature when windows are no longer snapping to any screen corner?
[18:18] <tomreyn> 22.04 LTS defaults to wayland, not Xorg, so not everything may work the same way it used to work
[18:19] <ogra> neuromance, it is pretty normal that extensions take a while to be ported to the new gnome version ...
[18:19] <neuromance> ogra: true
[18:20] <neuromance> I just though there'd be _some sort_ of window tiling in GNOME by default
[18:20] <neuromance> since there's the WinTile equivalent of window tiling in i.e. Xfce
[18:20]  * ogra himself is waiting for workspace matrix befor upgrading his laptop to 22.04 ...
[18:20] <ogra> but then, there is no urgency either 🙂
[18:21] <ogra> 20.04 works well ... most apps i use are snaps so they are on the latest version anyway
[18:21] <neuromance> Also, the GNOME extension that allows you to install extensions doesn't work on Firefox? And I don't think it has ever worked? (From the webpage: "To control GNOME Shell extensions using this site you must install GNOME Shell integration that consists of two parts: browser extension and native host messaging application." -- I have tried installing
[18:21] <neuromance> it, to no avail)
[18:21] <neuromance> I think I've always installed the extensions manually, can't remember to the death of me how
[18:22] <ogra> neuromance, in active develpment (and the main focus of the ubuntu desktop and mozilla teams) ... should be ready before 22.04 goes officially LTS in august
[18:22] <leftyfb> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1970986
[18:22] <ogra> but there is a tool in the archie to install and manage extensions, as described in the release notes
[18:22] <ogra> leftyfb, 👍
[18:23] <ogra> *archive
[18:23] <tomreyn> neuromance: actually, shelltile does not seem to support gnome 42 or wayland, yet
[18:23] <leftyfb> "WFM, WF, Closed" ;)
[18:25] <neuromance> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1723/wintile-windows-10-window-tiling-for-gnome/ I've been to their Github pages, some random people have gotten it to work on GNOME42 according to the chatter underneath "Issues", however not sure how's that possible since GNOME's Extensions says it's not compatible with the current GNOME version. I'm
[18:25] <neuromance> wondering if there's a version number check they've just bypassed to match a newer version
[18:25] <ogra> neuromance, there is the "manifest.json" that lists the versions an extension can run on
[18:26] <tomreyn> https://github.com/Leleat/Tiling-Assistant might be easier
[18:27] <mort> cbreak: hmm, seems so
[18:27] <neuromance> tomreyn: thanks for the tip but ... https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3733/tiling-assistant/ -- supported only up to GNOME41 ;(;(;(
[18:27] <mort> LLVMPolly.a is what I was specifically looking for, and that doesn't exist tho
[18:28] <mort> just the .so, with the .a in that clang-common package
[18:28] <neuromance> tomreyn: oh, there's a fork for it
[18:30] <mort> Well the polly .so would be in the non-dev package
[18:32] <neuromance> tomreyn: ok my bad, the GitHub version says it supports GNOME42, I guess I'll have to install it manually from there (the GNOME Extensions page version is lagging behind in versions)
[18:33] <neuromance> is there a method to restart the GNOME shell without logging off btw
[18:35] <neuromance> ^ answering myself: yes. alt+f2, type in r , press enter.
[18:36] <leftyfb> it's basically the same thing as logging off and back on
[18:38] <neuromance> uf, this is _way_ clunkier than wintile
[18:38] <neuromance> (no offense ofc)
[18:38] <neuromance> also can't rebind the keys to winkey+arrows
[18:38] <neuromance> must be keypad for some reason
[18:40] <neuromance> ok, well, I can live with this for the time being.
[18:40] <neuromance> thanks a lot, this is actually not bad. I mean not bad in comparison to what GNOME42 is without these extensions, which is no snapping at all :D
[18:47] <tomreyn> neuromance: gtile is another option, seems to work with wayland, and gnome 42 build is available from extensions....
[18:48] <tomreyn> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/28/gtile/
[18:48] <neuromance> tomreyn: thank you so much for this tip on Tiling Assistant, this seems to work after all with less glitches than were present in WinTile! <3
[18:49] <neuromance> I was almost ready to snap ":D"
[18:53] <neuromance> kinda weird with Tiling Assistant though is that Win/Superkey + arrows do _something_ , i.e. they pop the active window somewhere ... I wonder what's that about
[18:54] <neuromance> I wonder if with arrows it tosses them into another workspace (or to my other monitor that is atm disconnected)
[21:06] <cluelessperson> Is there any way to rip out this crap on screen keyboard?
[21:06] <cluelessperson> it pops up randomly
[21:06] <cluelessperson> it doesn't behave.
[21:06] <cluelessperson> it's glitchy
[21:06] <cluelessperson> doesn't respect that it's entirely disabled.
[21:06] <cluelessperson> it just popped up again.
[21:07] <cluelessperson> things like that shouldn't be built into the OS.
[21:18] <cbreak> gnome?
[22:57] <zelo> hey yo
[22:58] <sarnold> hi
[22:58] <zelo> is grub customizer still ok for ubuntu?
[22:58] <zelo> also..what is the software center called now?
[22:59] <sarnold> I don't think I've ever heard of that.. it's probably fine, so long as it isn't too crazy..
[22:59] <zelo> grub customizer has been around a while. a number of years ago i made the icons for them/him but apt install does not find it
[23:00] <zelo> i could add the ppa, but im not sure why apt is not finding it, it should be already there
[23:00] <sarnold> oh hah I didn't realize it was a packaged thing
[23:01] <sarnold> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-customizer/+bug/1969793 is the removal bug
[23:01] <zelo> ahh i see
[23:03] <zelo> not supported and missing quality standards. ANd its broke on jammy..but i am on lts hmm..
[23:03] <zelo> oh ye im on jammy jellyfish..all those names confuse me
[23:03] <zelo> dang
[23:04] <zelo> is there anything likeit?
[23:05] <zelo> i just want to change the default and lower the timer to 4 or 5
[23:09] <Bashing-om> zelo: /etc/default/grub :: " GRUB_DEFAULT=0 ; GRUB_TIMEOUT=2 " where "DEFAULT" is counted from the grub.cfg file starting the count at 0 .
[23:11] <zelo> meh ill just deal with it. i have bad luck messing with grub by hand
[23:12] <Bashing-om> zelo: make a backup ( of any file one edits) and then is easy to revert in case if an error.
[23:48] <FurretUber> Hi, earlier today, I came here asking about that ubuntu user that always seem to exist. I did add the runcmd to remove the ubuntu user, as suggested, but it was still there
[23:48] <FurretUber> Now I investigated further and found on syslog what is happening on GCE
[23:49] <FurretUber> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x7BT3M8Dxw/ Basically, after the entire user-data is processed, the ubuntu user is created again 🤦
[23:51] <jhutchins> FurretUber: The system may be using it for something.  It might be better to find out why it's there instead of removing it and waiting to see what breaks.
[23:51] <jhutchins> FurretUber: Did you install from a live iso?
[23:51] <ogra> the ubuntu user only exists in (some) cloud images
[23:51] <FurretUber> I'm using the default Jammy image from Google
[23:52] <jhutchins> Ah, that would make sense.  (Pretty sure it's in live too though.)
[23:52] <FurretUber> It does exist on creation, then runcmd successfully deletes the user, but then the Google guest agent recreates it
[23:52] <FurretUber> In live, it's normally created by casper
[23:52] <ogra> you can surely adjust cloud-init ... but i guess for that you'll find the right people in the #ubuntu-server channel rather than here
[23:54] <FurretUber> I'll try there. I'm trying to have the system up without an easy to guess username, if lastb is to be believed
[23:55] <jhutchins> FurretUber: There are reasonable ways to lock it down.  Again, figure out why rather than just arbitrarily nuking it.


[07:53] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:54] <TLE> good morning
[08:03] <dpm> TLE, heh, "To Malta from Greece - 10 points", nice one ;)
[08:04] <andrejz> morning
[08:05] <TLE> dpm: *G*
[08:14] <dpm> morning andrejz :)


[07:53] <apw> nsfx, i would file a bug indeed, maybe this can be upstreamed so it goes away forever
[10:16]  * apw hates debugging filesystems, it is so hard to know what is going to do what
[10:16] <apw> there is so much reference counted poo in here
[10:18] <ohsix> cking: on an oooold blog post you were wondering about other uses for the fibmap ioctl. i just had another drive failure and i use debugfs to see which files were damaged, it directly looks at fs structures, but you could check every file on the disk with fibmap and try and find it too
[10:19] <ohsix> cking: old = circa 2009
[10:19] <ohsix> found the post when i was looking to see if the vfs or ext4 had an ioctl or method to do it directly, from the bad block to an inode
[10:20] <cking> ohsix, i'm glad it was helpful, these ioctl's are not well documented
[10:22] <ohsix> from the vfs .txt in <kernel>/Documentation it says it's used internally to find out which blocks are used in a file if it's going to be used for swap, since the swapper accesses the disk directly
[10:23] <ohsix> before there were special vfs calls for it, it was used to read the sparse areas of a file in xfs
[10:23] <ohsix> and that's about all i know about it
[10:46]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[10:56]  * cking has to confess he's forgotten most of the details, the blog is an aide-mémoire
[12:09] <rtg> apw, ogasawara: I uploaded grouper yesterday. turned out to be gcc as well as some config options (most likely LOCKD). Gonna sync with distro config today.
[12:24]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:00] <apw> rtg, great stuff, so 4.7 or 4.6 needed
[13:00] <rtg> apw, 4.6, I didn't try 4.7 since I ran out of interest
[13:00] <apw> yep
[13:01]  * apw goes back to debugging his overlayfs loop lockup
[13:01] <rtg> apw, now I have to figure out how to enable lttng again and clean up compile issues
[13:03] <rtg> biab
[13:37] <maxb> I seem to be having a new problem since upgrading to raring - every so often my mouse pointer becomes corrupt / disappears. The GPU is radeon, and this is a dual screen setup. Is there anything specific I should bear in mind in filing a useful bug?
[13:40] <maxb> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55819 is the sort of thing I mean
[13:40] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 55819 in DRM/Radeon "Mouse cursor corruption when moving between monitors" [Normal,New]
[14:48] <rsalveti> compilers fun
[14:49] <rsalveti> amazing that it only works with 4.6
[14:50] <rtg> rsalveti, it stands to reason since we encountered the same issu on all the other Nexus kernels.
[15:10] <apw> rsalveti, it is most  liklely a bug in the kernel asm which is exposed by later compilers doing things right
[15:14] <rsalveti> apw: right
[15:39] <Guest14125> hummm I see some familiar faces here, hi dannf and lamont, this is eddie quinteros
[15:40] <dannf> hey Guest14125! good to see you - you might wanna /nick eddie or similar :)
[15:40] <lamont> hi eddie
[15:40] <eddieq> eddie was taken
[15:42] <eddieq> hi guys, I'm sorry to bother you, but I have been looking all over the Ubuntu pages and can not find answers to 2 problems I have with crash, they are simple can you guys help?
[15:42] <dannf> eddieq: possible, but most likely not - though feel free to ask
[15:43] <eddieq> ok I have 10.04 installed kernel 3.5.0-23-generic and i forced a vmcore
[15:43] <eddieq> go the dbg package for it
[15:44] <eddieq> running crash vmlinux-3.5.0-23-generic /var/crash/vmcore /boot/System.map-3.5.0-23-generic gives me crash: cannot resolve: "xtime"
[15:45] <eddieq> there is a BZ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crash/+bug/1075745 but it says it was fixed
[15:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1075745 in crash (Ubuntu) "crash fails cannot resolve xtime" [Medium,Fix released]
[15:46] <eddieq> Now, I run the same command on a RH system and it runs fine, but bt -l does not gives me line numbers
[15:53] <zequence> apw: so, did you come up with a solution on how I could take over dev release as well?
[15:54] <zequence> apw: since updates don't need to be as frequent, perhaps it is not as big of a project?
[15:55] <eddieq> I am at the latest crash release and still get the xtime error
[15:58] <rtg> caribou, ^^ you've used crashdump extensively IIRC
[16:20] <eddieq> humm I know caribou too, hello
[16:29] <apw> zequence, thanks for the reminder, i'll put that in large on my todo
[17:09] <eddieq> ls
[17:28]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:01] <BenC> rtg: I'm going to be working on linux-ppc for saucy today and tomorrow
[18:02] <BenC> rtg: any caveats I should be aware of?
[18:02] <rtg> BenC, 3.9 or 3.10 ? I've got an unstable branch for 3.10. we'll likely have time to adopt 3.11 before release.
[18:03] <BenC> rtg: Where do you suggest I start? 3.10 branch?
[18:03] <BenC> If 3.10 holds me off from uploading, I'll start with 3.9
[18:03] <rtg> BenC, yeah, its in pretty good shape (though it won't boot on my laptop)
[18:03] <BenC> Ok, I'll work from there and see what I'm in for
[18:45] <cking> rtg, i'm getting "Error: Unable to list kernel events" with the lttng enabled grouper kernel when I invoke "lttng list -k"
[18:49] <rtg> cking, ok, I'll have a look tomorrow.
[18:50] <cking> rtg, I'll poke around with it a bit more and see what's up
[18:50] <rtg> cking, its late. it can wait until your tomorrow :)
[18:50] <cking> yup, that's true
[18:51] <cking> also I just get a blank screen, not sure if that's intended :-(
[18:51] <rtg> cking, using the raring daily ?
[18:52] <cking> yep, daily image + the saucy kernel, I did roll in some updates, so who knows what's causing it
[18:52] <rtg> hmm
[18:53] <cking> indeed hmm, most curious
[18:57] <cking> rtg, which version of lttng was added into grouper?
[19:02] <rtg> cking, should be tip of git://git.lttng.org/lttng-modules.git (or close to it)
[19:02] <cking> ta
[19:22] <cking> rtg, my fail, I installed the zImage manually but didn't install the kernel image .deb which has the lttng modules - doh, anyhow, got it to work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5717758/
[19:23] <rtg> cking, oh cool. I didn't think about it being a module
[19:25] <cking> rtg, do you have a Nexus 7 then?
[19:25] <rtg> cking, yep
[19:25] <rtg> cking, but I've only installed the zimage
[19:27] <cking> rtg, ok, well, can you install the kernel .debs and sanity check that they look fine - I had to pull in wireless-crda, not sure if that makes sense to me
[19:28] <rtg> cking, ah, unnecessary package dep. I'll fix that.
[19:29] <cking> rtg, ok, cool, maybe worth you looking at what else dpkg says, I lost my scrollback so I can't recall all the output it spewed out
[19:29] <rtg> cking, no problem. its on my todo list for tomorrow.
[19:29] <cking> cool, me -> EOD
[19:29] <rtg> I'm close to EOD myself
[20:26]  * rtg -> EOD
[21:51] <houkouonchi-work> anyone know why installing a linux-image package would not update the symlinks?  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cyiaYFbF
[23:24] <houkouonchi-work> damn its dead in here =(


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[05:31] <Noskcaj10> Has anyone got the time to go through the sponsorship queue? i've got a heap of packages waiting, plus a number of other people.
[21:13] <TheLordOfTime> anyone able to answer a question I have about gcc-4.7 (in raring)?
[21:13] <TheLordOfTime> (since -packaging went inactive and never actually replied to my general question about its build deps)
[21:14] <TheLordOfTime> the question is how it is able to build-depend on a package that is built from gcc-4.7, because i find it curious that the package has to build before its build-dep is satisfied.
[21:22] <jtaylor> I guess it was bootstrapped from a version which did not need libx32
[21:46] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: The first build probably came from a previous GCC version
[21:47] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: We do have the ability to bootstrap things manually if necessary; circular build-dependencies are a reality at some level, you can't build the archive out of thin air
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson, true, the question came because of an Ask Ubuntu post I was reading up on, someone wants to backport gcc-4.7 in a PPA to precise, but it fails because E:MissingBuildDependency, but the build dependency is created out of gcc-4.7 source, so it was a little confusing for me, sorta like "which came first the chicken or the egg"
[21:48] <AlanBell> the chicken house comes first, otherwise a fox will eat the chickens and your eggs.
[21:49] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[21:50] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson, i can foresee this being a problem for backporters, i assume that because you can bootstrap things by hand it works in the archive, but trying to backport something with circular build-deps will be problematic for PPA users and such?
[21:50] <xnox> AlanBell: i like that answer.
[21:50] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: why backporting gcc-4.7 when it's provided in the toolchain-ppa?
[21:51] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: Not really interested :)
[21:51] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, ask the OP of the question, not me, personally i'm fine with the gcc that's in precise already :P
[21:51] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: The toolchain is out of scope for the official backports projects anyway ...
[21:51] <TheLordOfTime> i was asking myself that same question, xnox, though..
[21:52] <cjwatson> I'm entirely uninterested in supporting people trying to build newer toolchains; it's a rathole
[21:52] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: if you want to learn about bootstrapping, google / wikipedia about it. Or just in general look up compiler articles on wikipedia aka "how to build the compiler without a compiler" and things like that.
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, yeah, i'll just answer their question saying "It can't be done" and that'll be the end of it
[21:53] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: where is the question on askubuntu?
[21:53]  * TheLordOfTime grabs a link
[21:53] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: it's better to ask them "why would you want to do that?"
[21:53] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, http://askubuntu.com/questions/368606/launchpad-missing-build-dependencies-even-though-dependency-should-be-contained
[22:02] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: replied.
[22:03] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, saw it, upvoted it too
[22:53] <Unit193> xnox: Heya, got a sec to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubiquity/debian-menu/+merge/192615 ?
[22:55] <xnox> Unit193: looks good.
[22:55] <xnox> Unit193: i have verify current ubiquity upload on the image, and then will do another round of merges/fixes in ubiquity
[22:55] <Unit193> xnox: Sounds good.