[01:55] <nhaines> Meeting coming up in 5!
[02:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <nhaines> Good evening, everyone!  It's the July 29th, 2018 meeting for Ubuntu California tonight.
[02:00] <nhaines> The agenda for this meeting is available here:
[02:00] <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/18July29
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/18July29 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:01] <nhaines> #Announcements
[02:01] <nhaines> The Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase is still around for another two weeks, so do submit your photos or let your photographer friends know: https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-fcs-1810/
[02:01] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu 18.10 LTS Free Culture Showcase - Wallpapers | Flickr]
[02:02] <nhaines> The submission period ends on August 13th.
[02:02] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[02:03] <nhaines> Are there any conventions we should be looking out for in the near future?
[02:05] <nhaines> #topic Agenda
[02:05] <nhaines> There is no agenda for this meeting.
[02:05] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:06] <nhaines> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS was released on Thursday the 26th, so 16.04 LTS fans are getting their first upgrade notifications.  :)
[02:07] <nhaines> I found a Little Free Library near my home and put a copy of my Ubuntu book inside with an Ubuntu disc and some swag.  The swag keeps disappearing but not the book--so we might have some Ubuntu fans near me.  (I've been replacing the swag every day.)
[02:07] <nhaines> Is there any other business to discuss?
[02:18] <nhaines> Our next meeting will be in two weeks, on August 12th!
[02:18] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:18] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Jul 30 02:18:32 2018 UTC.
[02:18] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2018/ubuntu-us-ca.2018-07-30-02.00.moin.txt


[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #146368 in ubuntu-doc "undefined xml entities" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146368
[07:50] <nealmcb> We encourage bittorrent downloads in the beta release email, but don't make them as easy as we could.   http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ points to a missing page: http://bittorrent.com/introduction.html   instead you get ads for movies..... the wikipedia page  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent  is probably too confusing, but may have a better link.  The beta release page also hides all the torrent files way down among the mind-numbing list.
[07:56] <nealmcb> argh - bittorrent.com now spouting PR like claims to the "genuine" BitTorrent client
[10:01] <nealmcb> (trying again): We encourage bittorrent downloads in the beta release email, but don't make them as easy as we could.   http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ points to a missing page: http://bittorrent.com/introduction.html   instead you get ads for movies..... the wikipedia page  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent  is probably too confusing, but may have a better link.  The beta release page also hides all the torrent files way down among the mind


[23:12] <cheguacamole> it's running off a USB drive and i don't want to give up on linux again:(
[23:13] <cheguacamole> i was just about to buy a new box and stop running off a pendrive but i keep smashing my head against these brick walls
[23:14] <JMichaelX> SlidingHorn: i currently have the graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa installed, but the result before adding that ppa was the same
[23:15] <Peyam> hi. I just installed ubuntu 18.04. I made a ext4 parition one swap and one efi 1Gb. I choose to put the bootloader on efi partition but when i restart the computer this comes up: https://imgur.com/TGRndfS
[23:15] <Peyam> please help me
[23:16] <omarv> Hi all, I just re-installed Ubuntu 18.04 because I had an issue with mouse touchpad, and fn brighness and volume keys that not working. An I realized after re-install Bionic Beaver that I have the same problem. No touchpad, and keys nor working..so any idea what happens ?
[23:20] <Peyam> no one?
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> !patience | Peyam
[23:24] <Peyam> SlidingHorn: cool
[23:26] <ledeni> omarv, check you install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics like sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[23:27] <SlidingHorn> cheguacamole: uninstalling random applications isn't going to speed up your system.  A few questions:  1)  What version & flavor OS are you using  2) What are the specs of this machine?
[23:28] <cheguacamole> it's just running off a pendrive, the max i could allocate is 4 GB
[23:28] <cheguacamole> i'm not trying to uninstall random apps just the ones i installed this morning
[23:28] <cheguacamole> for an online game
[23:29] <cheguacamole> it's lubuntu and currently i have 1364 MB of 1936 MB used
[23:29] <SlidingHorn> cheguacamole: how did you install them?
[23:29] <SlidingHorn> what version of lubuntu?
[23:29] <cheguacamole> various ways, 17.10
[23:29] <cheguacamole> some were off the runescape website and others were fixes for that
[23:30] <cheguacamole> including flatpak
[23:30] <cheguacamole> so came to more and more errors with no obvious solutions from more and more geeky people so decided to try and turn back time
[23:30] <doug16k> pavlos, ryzen 2700, Asus Prime B350 plus MB, hub is USB 3.0 multi-TT
[23:31] <doug16k> 2700X*
[23:31] <omarv> ledeni:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRzz4HZQZC/
[23:31] <omarv> ledeni: need I to restart ?
[23:32] <ledeni> omarv, log out
[23:32] <cheguacamole> if i could just see a list of system changes in the last 12 hours?
[23:33] <SlidingHorn> cheguacamole: no idea bout how to look @ flatpak history, but anything installed using apt/apt-get can be seen in /var/log/apt/
[23:33] <cheguacamole> wow cool
[23:33] <cheguacamole> feels like progress
[23:43] <cheguacamole> thanks very much slidinghorn thanks to your info managed to uninstall the flatpak.  on this first code on the RuneScape>download>linux page:https://www.runescape.com/download , would anything much have installed up to the line "apt-get install -y ..." or not really? might just leave it alone now, but great to get those apt-get logs tyvm
[23:44] <omarv> ledeni: I did logout, and same thing. touchpad not work, fn brightness and volume keys neither.
[23:44] <cheguacamole> been thinking for ages they must be there, just didn't know how to ask the question properly
[23:46] <lapaga> cheguacamole, mistakes and problems are the best way to learn with help
[23:46] <ledeni> omarv, check --> Settings -- Devices -- Mouse & Touchpad
[23:47] <cheguacamole> i know but i've killd so many OSes and it's very disheartening, when i get a bit emotional I always get kicked off all the forums:/
[23:47] <SlidingHorn> cheguacamole: for future reference, runescape is available in the repos.  You don't need to go to their site and download a package.  Also, I would advise against blindly entering instructions from outside sites without knowing what they are.
[23:48] <SlidingHorn> cheguacamole: the more you stick to the official sources, the better off you'll likely be
[23:48] <cheguacamole> wow, never thought it wo uld be in synaptic. Yes i  know this is true to stay official but am not very patient. Have learnt at least 3 things today though so ty both very much
[23:49] <omarv> ledeni: just general settings, primary button, speed and scrolling. but no where to enable touchpad mouse,
[23:50] <omarv> ledeni: I'm using external mouse
[23:50] <ledeni> omarv,ok me too
[23:51] <omarv> hardware is ok. I'm using MSI QE62 Apache Pro laptop for gamers
[23:52] <ledeni> omarv,install 'sudo apt-get install gnome-twaek-tool'
[23:52] <omarv> ledeni:already installed
[23:53] <ledeni> omarv,you have option for mouse & touchpad
[23:53] <ledeni> omarv,maybe there
[23:54] <lapaga> omarv, i probably missed what brand you are using?
[23:55] <omarv> ledeni: mouse acceleration, pointer location, and mouse click emulation . all seem work fine.
[23:55] <omarv> ledeni: MSI
[23:57] <Claire235> wine or vm... just in general
[23:58] <ledeni> omarv, sudo 'xinput list | nc termbin 9999'


[05:21] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:28] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[05:28] <nuvolari> o hi bduk1
[05:39] <bduk1> Morning nuvolari
[05:57]  * Kilos Waves
[06:03] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :D
[06:03] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[06:03] <Kilos> :-)
[06:03] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom?
[06:03] <nuvolari> het oom 'n lekker vakansiedag gehad?
[06:04] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy seun ek sien daar is nuwe goed vir java en html5
[06:04] <Kilos> elke dagf selle vir my
[06:06] <Kilos> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/simd-meets-html5-javascript/
[06:10] <Kilos> jo bushtech_ het jy bed nat gemaak ou ballie?
[06:11] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19 die_held
[06:12] <JabberwockyA19> more Kilos, o/ everyone
[06:20] <Private_User> morning all
[06:20] <Private_User> morning bduk1, morning nuvolari, morning Kilos, morning JabberwockyA19
[06:20] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[06:21] <Kilos> where are we gonna find you some ram
[06:28] <Kilos> ohi Guest93229 wassup graeme
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy_> 'lo
[06:28] <Kilos> haha
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy_> can't connect to my bouncer for some reason :-/
[06:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly you managed to wake up. sjoe late nights are hard work
[06:30]  * Kilos had another idea for the DEEP dam
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i'm afraid to ask
[06:31] <Kilos> if it wont flood the below area one could build a nice waterfall near the top and even use that high glow glass stuff to light it up
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31] <Kilos> its a beautiful dam
[06:32] <Kilos> same as they do on real time dams the overflow makes a waterfall
[06:32] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy_
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you can try
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if it sucks you just add a block back to stop it
[06:36] <Kilos> na i fall over the end and die
[06:36] <Kilos> i cant walk on air like some
[06:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:43] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Wen jy darem met die krag probleme oompie" 13 hours, 5 minutes and 30 seconds ago
[06:43] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:44] <inetpro> ack Kilos
[06:45] <Kilos> ack?
[06:45] <Kilos> what taal is that
[06:46] <inetpro> tcp
[06:46] <Kilos> tcp is ontsmetmiddel vloeistof
[06:47] <inetpro> ACK is a flag used in the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) to acknowledge receipt of a packet
[06:47] <inetpro> hoe gaan dit oom?
[06:47] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos , ek gaan bietjie loer
[06:47] <Kilos> goed dankie inetpro net koud soos elke winter
[06:47] <nuvolari> oh hi Private_User, JabberwockyA19, ThatGraemeGuy_
[06:47] <Kilos> en jy
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy_> 'lo :-)
[06:48] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[06:48] <Private_User> hi ThatGraemeGuy_ and inetpro
[06:51] <Kilos> we actually needed you knowledge inetpro to try sort where a bottle neck is with a connection but i think the fly has it planned out
[06:51] <Kilos> is there a deeper probe tool than mtr?
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy_> what are you trying to do?
[06:53] <Kilos> oh didnt you follow our investigation into that lag ThatGraemeGuy
[06:53] <Kilos> there is one server thats losing 40% of its packets
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i was probably too busy mining obscene amounts of obsidian
[06:53] <Kilos> haha
[06:53] <Kilos> what you wanna do with it all
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy_> "server"? you mean one of the hops along the route between you and the minetest server?
[06:54] <Kilos> ya that
[06:54] <Kilos> we even got its ip addy
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if mtr shows significant loss there and all hops after then it's causing real loss
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if its just there it may just be rate-limiting icmp packets at that hop
[06:55] <Kilos> and for a while it showed as blahblah.linode.blabla now just ip addy
[06:55] <Kilos> i dont understand all that but fly will
[06:56] <Kilos> its just th one the others show no loss
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy_> send a screenshot
[06:56] <Kilos> are you in the game?
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy_> no, i mean send a screenshot of the mtr output
[06:57] <Kilos> i gotta go get it again
[07:00] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/upload.php
[07:01] <Kilos> its a bit better today, went up to 60% at times
[07:01] <Kilos> averages around 40%
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy_> that's the upload page
[07:03] <Kilos> oi sorry
[07:03] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/25-8IIIaalj.png
[07:04] <Kilos> hi smil
[07:04] <Kilos> smile,  too
[07:04] <Kilos> kb getting sticky
[07:04] <smile> hi! :D
[07:05] <Kilos> 8. <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:05] <smile> your IP address, Kilos? :)
[07:05] <Kilos> no man a sick place in a link
[07:08] <Kilos> or sick link in a route
[07:13] <inetpro> ai!
[07:14] <Kilos> wat nou?
[07:14] <inetpro> why send an image when a copy and paste of text would do?
[07:14] <Kilos> he asked for screenshot so i gave one
[07:14] <Kilos> coulda used slexy hey?
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:15] <inetpro> exactly
[07:15] <inetpro> anyway, nothing I can do about that
[07:16] <inetpro> but looks clearly like some problem at the ISP level
[07:16] <Private_User> lol Kilos, just looked at a pic from that link you pasted here and was wondering if any of the peeps here as there work area looking like this
[07:16] <Private_User> http://picpaste.com/tastatur.gif
[07:17] <bduk1> Jig Private_User
[07:17] <Kilos> hahaha  ja mine
[07:18] <inetpro> at the same time it could be like ThatGraemeGuy_ mentioned, rate-limiting of icmp packets
[07:18] <Kilos> well inetpro we gotta fix it
[07:18] <inetpro> no
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy_> Kilos: the 25% loss at the intermediate hop is probably rate-limiting, but the 4.8% at the end is actual loss
[07:18] <Kilos> they must all read 0% loss then it will work better
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy_> and with the game being udp-based that will be part of your problem
[07:19] <Kilos> so how do we fix it
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you find another isp
[07:20] <Kilos> every illness has a cure if you know where to find it
[07:20] <Kilos> ah
[07:21] <inetpro> I see no proof of any illness really
[07:22] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[07:23] <Kilos> only way you can see that there is a prob inetpro is to try the game and die because of lag
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy_> there is packet loss between him and the minetest server, and it impacts the game's behaviour to varying degrees
[07:24] <Kilos> but strangely it hits the monkey 10 times worse than me
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy_> Kilos: how's your mtr look to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:26] <Kilos> lemme try
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you can press 'p' on mtr to pause updating and then copy/paste the text instead of do an image screenshot
[07:28] <Kilos> 0%all thje way
[07:28] <Kilos> it wont let me copy paste
[07:28] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <Kilos> oh ok
[07:29] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2PFtAo5iv
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy_> wow that's pretty good for a 3g connection
[07:30] <Kilos> i told you i got a good one
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy_> it's also because the server's on a very good network :P
[07:30] <Kilos> im sure im faster than lotsa adsl connections
[07:31] <Kilos> so put the game there
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> not really sure if i can, i must see if i can make a plan
[07:31] <Kilos> lol do it
[07:31] <Kilos> haha
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> lol you're fired!
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i'll rather check first thanks ;)
[07:32] <Kilos> oi i forgot to let sheep out. wbb
[07:32] <Kilos> and if you can find a way to make it use less data youll be my hero for a while
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> it shouldn't use much data i imagine
[07:33] <Kilos> over 100m a day atm
[07:33] <Kilos> wbb
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> heh
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i use more than that on my phone
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy_> but yeah, quite pricey if you're not using afrihost mobile i guess
[07:38] <Kilos> haha the game has doubled my data useage
[07:38] <Kilos> usage
[07:38] <Kilos> daai ding
[07:44] <charl_> morning all
[07:44] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:44]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:44] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:44] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:57]  * nuvolari does the split and cracks a bum muscle
[08:57] <nuvolari> :-/
[08:57] <Kilos> hehe
[10:23] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[10:23] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[11:13] <superfly> ohi
[11:21] <Vince-0> o/
[11:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[11:49] <Vince-0> hai
[12:28] <Private_User1> hmm... not sure whats going on today, I have been disconnected and reconnected on IRC like around 5 times already, anybody else experiencing this issue?
[12:29] <Kilos> there are a coupla others as well
[12:30] <Kilos> but you the worst, but not as bad as it has been
[12:34] <Kilos> maybe if i sleep a while it will be better when i return
[13:11] <charl_> probably freenode under ddos again
[13:44] <smile> hi :p
[13:49] <charl_> hi smile
[13:49] <smile> hi charl_ :p
[13:50] <charl_> long time no speak to
[13:50] <charl_> how have you been
[15:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:46] <Kilos> inetpro, you home?
[17:25] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:31] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[17:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: Alrighty
[17:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and theblazehen!
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:35] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy superfly
[18:39] <Kilos> i see you ingame but i got bad lag tonight. yesterday avy was wonderful
[18:41] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:44] <theblazehen> hi superfly ThatGraemeGuy
[18:44] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[18:45] <theblazehen> superfly: You have any experience with postfix+dovecot as a mail server?
[18:45] <superfly> theblazehen: a tiny bit
[18:46] <theblazehen> kk. Having some troubles receiving mail
[18:46] <theblazehen> Might be permissions but don't feel like dealing with it now
[18:46] <theblazehen> Think its permissions
[18:47] <theblazehen> using guide at http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/taking-e-mail-back-part-2-arming-your-server-with-postfix-dovecot/2/ got something that says no user $username, where it's supposed to create virtual user
[18:47] <theblazehen> I then create real user and it doesn't give error, but gives problem in mail.log about permissions
[18:48] <superfly> theblazehen: I took the easy route, I used a setup script called iRedMail
[18:48] <superfly> http://www.iredmail.org/
[18:48] <theblazehen> superfly: ah ok.. I don't have enough ram for that
[18:49] <superfly> how much ram do you have?
[18:49] <theblazehen> Needs 1024 MB IIRC
[18:49] <Kilos> idea superfly ThatGraemeGuy can you find which one or more of those mtr ips are in za, yesterday avy while building the wall i had no lag at all. s methinks it might be one of them that was on holiday yesterday
[18:49] <theblazehen> 512 MB on VPS
[18:49] <theblazehen> Kilos: ip list?
[18:50] <superfly> theblazehen: I'll be honest, I'm not convinced you need 1GB, I think that's just if you're going to have major filtering and spam rules
[18:50] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2RfN6X64R
[18:50] <Kilos> thats today i dunno what yesterdays one was
[18:52] <theblazehen> superfly: yeah, maybe. Prefer DIY anyway though. Doing it mostly to learn how it works
[18:53] <Kilos> superfly, did you do a mtr yesterday so we can compare and maybe find the weak link
[18:54] <Kilos> hi bushtech have you installed 14.04 server
[18:54] <theblazehen> Kilos: /me has it at home
[18:54] <theblazehen> 14.04 server
[18:55] <Kilos> bushtech, asked yesterday how good it runs he wants to upgrade from 12.04
[18:56] <theblazehen> Not much different from what I could tell
[18:57] <Kilos> you dont need to sort the 3g probs that 12.04 had
[18:57] <Kilos> imo 14.04 has that sorted
[18:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: on mtr from hop 8 and velow it's not is ZA
[18:59] <Kilos> oh my so all the prob ones worked lekker yesterday even though they didnt have a holiday
[18:59] <Kilos> sigh
[18:59] <Kilos> i was hoping it was one of ours
[19:00] <Kilos> then we could send the mafia to break some legs
[19:04] <theblazehen> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/28axb6/incorrect_answers_on_lpic_linuxessentials_prep/ lol :/
[19:10] <Kilos> ah he putting kids to bed
[19:29] <bushtech> Kilos:  Not yet
[19:32] <Kilos> no rush. was just wondering
[19:32] <bushtech> still checking it out, don't want to trash my raid server, had enough trouble setting that mother up
[19:33] <Kilos> aha i see your point
[19:33] <Kilos> i forget peeps arent like me with 3 pcs just to play with
[19:34] <bushtech> and need to do it after 12 (night owl) just gets bloody cold
[19:34] <Kilos> ouch
[19:34] <Kilos> ya wait for summer
[19:34] <bushtech> lots pc's around here but only one backup server
[19:35] <Kilos> lol ya but mine are just toys nothing that needs to work except irc
[19:36] <bushtech> would hate any of 3 to go down
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:29] <JabberwockyA19> amper tyd om op die bed neer te slaan
[20:29]  * JabberwockyA19 maak net sy taak klaar
[20:29] <Kilos> haha
[20:48] <JabberwockyA19> good night everyone!
[20:48] <Kilos> night JabberwockyA19
[20:48] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:32] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight


[08:16] <IvarB> noen som har peil på xrdp her?
[09:55]  * RoyK har ikke
[11:31] <skandix> morn
[22:14] <peruz> hello
[22:22] <RoyK> hllo
[22:22] <RoyK> hallo
[22:22] <RoyK> norske folk her
[22:23] <peruz> how are you?
[22:34] <peruz> I have some question about the Saga
[22:34] <peruz> maybe someone here can help.
[22:39] <RoyK> peruz: why on earth do you join a norwegian channel for help?
[22:40] <peruz> I figured they studied these thigns in high school
[22:40] <peruz> You havent studied about the Sagas?
[22:41] <peruz> Why did Gunnar turn back?
[22:41] <RoyK> Malinux: ?
[22:43] <peruz> Did you study those stories back in school at all?
[22:44] <RoyK> 	    ada1    FAULTED     18   162     0  too many errors
[22:44] <RoyK> hrmf
[23:05] <Aeyoun> peruz: well, you're the one studying them now. finding the answer yourself is part of the point, isn't it?
[23:05] <Aeyoun> peruz: this falls into the domain of #ubuntu-no-offtopic A language oriented channel will give you better answers.
[23:13] <peruz> thanks!
[23:13] <peruz> I've been studying it since I was a kid, its just one of those things I never could figure out.


[01:54] <sairgo> Hello! Where can I find a good comparision between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[01:54] <sairgo> I'm using Gnome 4 years... but I'm tired.... I want to give Kubuntu a chance.
[02:14] <cypher-neo> Hello. Brief question. I downloaded a Window Decoration file from KDE-Look.org, and I was wondering where I should extract the file in order to install it.
[02:14] <cypher-neo> My bad, openDesktop.org...
[02:15] <cypher-neo> Where do I extract it?
[02:24] <skreech__> sairgo: So.. give it a chance then
[02:24] <skreech__> cypher-neo: It should have a readme inside it
[02:25] <skreech__> sairgo: Any particular questions you'd like to ask We'll try answer them but something as general as what's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is somewhat like what's the difference between OSX and GNOME
[02:27] <DarthFrog> sairgo:  You're the best judge of whether Kubuntu suits you.  The real difference is whether you prefer KDE or GNOME.  In my minde, KDE is for power users.
[02:27] <DarthFrog> KDE doesn't stand in your way and limit you unnecessarily.
[02:28] <DarthFrog> Now, of course, that was prejudiced on my part.  I've made my choice.  Your choice can only be made by you.
[02:29] <skreech__> DarthFrog: What's the accounting software supposed to do?
[02:30] <DarthFrog> skreech__: Are you referring to the question I asked this morning?
[02:30] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Yes
[02:31] <DarthFrog> Thanks for your interest.  My friend has already turned up his nose. :-)  I don't know what he had in mind in particular, but he does quite abit of work for non-profits and charity.
[02:38] <Guest72681> Buenas alguien en el canal?
[02:41] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Understand but still I woudl like to know what it was the program was intended to do :)
[02:41] <skreech__> With out that it's impossible to know if it already exists or if it needs to be built
[02:41] <DarthFrog> skreech__: I'll ask him.
[02:45] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Thanks. What were his comments that came from around his upturned nose?
[02:45] <skreech__> sairgo: What concerns do you have about trying Kubuntu?
[02:48] <DarthFrog> skreech__: The ICQ conversation ended before that. :-)  He's in Houston, I"m in Vancouver, BC.
[02:49] <skreech__> \o/ ICQ :)
[02:49] <DarthFrog> Hey, it works.
[02:50] <skreech__> I know I quite like ICQ
[02:50] <skreech__> There is a number of KDE Accounting software by the way
[02:58] <skreech__> DarthFrog: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KdeFinance
[03:12] <skreech__> !ca | DarthFrog
[03:20] <Guyiio> hello
[03:20] <Guyiio> hello
[03:30] <skreech__> hi
[03:30] <skreech__> hi sairgo
[03:47] <poetic_algebra> I have a super n00b question --- how do I determine which version of KDE I'm using?  I've just installed project neon, and in the "About KDE" menu item, I'm told that it's version 4.8.4; but if project neon is up to date, it should be 4.8.9 or 4.9.0
[03:47] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: which about KDE menu?
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> the one available through the konsole
[03:48] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: however I would say check the about KDE menu :)
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> haha
[03:48] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: I'm presuming that you installed the packages then logged out and back in ?
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> skreech__:  yes, indeed
[03:49] <poetic_algebra> skreech__:  my concern is that I'd like to file a bug, but I want to know if I'm up-to-date
[03:49] <poetic_algebra> otherwise I could just be filing an obsolete bug, and that would be a waste
[03:49] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: alright open a termin.. waiiit. Ok Type in the terminal kde4-config --version
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> aha!  thank you =D
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> it is indeed 4.8.4
[03:50] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: well there you go then
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> dah!  maybe I'll have to compile the RC myself =P
[03:50] <skreech__> KDE Development Platform: 4.8.90 (4.8.90)
[03:50] <skreech__> Is my response
[03:51] <poetic_algebra> really?  and you're using project neon as well?
[03:52] <poetic_algebra> oneiric or precise?  32-bit or 64?
[03:52] <skreech__> 32 bit 12.04
[03:52] <poetic_algebra> (if you don't mind my asking)
[03:52] <skreech__> I'm using the PPA from Kubuntu.org
[03:52] <skreech__> you want something newer Iguess
[03:54] <poetic_algebra> skreech__: yeah; I'm doing a little testing, and I'd just like to file a current bug, rather than one for the stable version (although it may ultimately make no difference).  In any case, thanks very much!  I appreciate it!
[03:55] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: I think that the beta may be good enough. What's the bug let me see if I can duplicate
[03:57] <poetic_algebra> skreech__: sure thing; if you dim the display, and then add a battery widget to the desktop, the brigtness resets to the highest setting
[03:58] <poetic_algebra> This may be related to a couple other extant bugs
[03:59] <skreech__> Hmm
[03:59]  * skreech__ would need a laptop >_>
[03:59] <poetic_algebra> even worse, the brightness sliders in the energy settings appear to have no effect
[03:59] <poetic_algebra> haha
[04:00] <skreech__> Oh yeah that I noticed
[04:01] <skreech__> I had Beta 2 on a laptop the other day and couldn't make it brighter at all
[04:01] <amason_> yeh i noticed that too
[04:01] <amason_> it's on my list of bug reports to do
[04:01] <amason_> but haven't had any time to do more digging
[04:02] <poetic_algebra> well, glad to know I'm not alone =D
[04:02] <poetic_algebra> there are a couple related bugs out there; brightness seems to be a bit of a mess =]
[04:02] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: Most likely. Can you jump into #kde-quality and mention it
[04:03] <amason_> poetic_algebra: if you have time it would be great if you could do some digging and submit it , i am running pretty low on time and it's > 10 on my bug list
[04:03] <skreech__> amason_: I take it you did a search to see if the bug was already filed?
[04:03] <amason_> and i too don't have my laptop today
[04:04] <amason_> skreech__: yeh it's there but it was sparse i.e needed more info
[04:04] <poetic_algebra> sure; what kind of digging should I do?
[04:04] <amason_> i guess i didn't mean submit it , more like submit some debugging.
[04:05] <amason_> poetic_algebra: well the one thing i didn't do was see if i coud dim the display from the CLI, haven't looked at how to do this
[04:05] <amason_> to make sure it's a kde issue and not just the system
[04:05] <poetic_algebra> okay, I'll look into that
[04:06] <poetic_algebra> it's interesting that you can dim the display from the battery system tray icon, but it will reset in moments
[04:06] <amason_> ah n/m then
[04:06] <amason_> if you can do that then it's not a system issue :)
[04:07] <poetic_algebra> good to know =]
[04:08] <poetic_algebra> (sorry, got a phone call; I'm dividing my time, and it's tricky!)
[04:10] <amason_> it's fine, i'm doing stuff at the same time too
[04:10] <amason_> pft work...
[04:13] <josh_> Trying to update my drivers. Downloaded the appropriate file from AMD website. What do I need to type in terminal to run it? I'm new to Linux :)
[04:27] <amason_> josh_: can you provide us with a bit more information...
[04:27] <amason_> what kind of file is it?
[04:28] <josh_> amd-driver-installer-12-6-x86.x86_64.run
[04:29] <skreech__> amason_: can you give the bug info?
[04:30] <amason_> yup, gimme a few mins need to find it
[04:30] <msx> hi guys, @josh: can you tell me what patch you apply to make dolphin have inline rename?
[04:31] <skreech__> josh_: Were there noinstructions on the website?
[04:32] <josh_> Little update, i changed the properties of the file to executable. double clicked it and it began doing its thing. It asks for admin password to run as super-user, I put my password in but it told me it was incorrect
[04:32] <josh_> Yeah, the website didn't provide me with instructions
[04:32] <skreech__> josh_: Though you can install drivers from inside kubuntu itself
[04:32] <josh_> I figured you could, just not sure how. I'm a terminal noob
[04:33] <skreech__> msx: Update to a newer version of dolphin I'd guess
[04:33] <skreech__> josh_: alt+F2 -> kdesudo jockey-dke
[04:33] <skreech__> umm jockey-kde
[04:34] <msx> @skreech: i just read an article saying it will be default in upcoming 2.1 version, thanks :)
[04:34] <josh_> excellent! it's searching for drivers
[04:35] <skreech__> josh_: ;-)
[04:35] <josh_> I have two choices. ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver or (post-release)
[04:35] <josh_> I assume post-release
[04:36] <skreech__> fglrx :)
[04:37] <skreech__> Oh wait no. Post release
[04:40] <poetic_algebra> okay, sorry about that; I'll take a look at this some more tomorrow --- thanks for your help skreech__ and amason_ =]
[04:40] <skreech__> OK
[04:43] <poetic_algebra> amason_: the program xbacklight will allow you to change the brightness at the cli
[04:43] <poetic_algebra> idk if this is what you were looking for, but it's one option
[04:44] <amason_> ah cool, thanks. i knew there was some backlight tool just couldn't remember which one.
[04:44] <amason_> skreech__: i think this is the one i was looking at 286688
[04:44] <poetic_algebra> there's also this setpci -s command that I don't exactly know how to use =]
[04:45] <poetic_algebra> anyway, goodnight!
[04:45] <amason_> night
[04:45] <skreech__> amason_: ok I"ll try follow up
[04:45] <skreech__> night poetic_algerbra
[06:52] <cbb> good morning
[06:53] <Smurphy> Morning
[07:01] <skreech__> Good morning
[07:41] <jds> Are games written in java like Minecraft hand coded? Or are they using some kind of engine or something?
[07:45] <jds> nvm
[08:01] <mah454> Hello
[08:01] <mah454> where is this repository ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/libqt4-dev/4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1
[08:12] <skreech__> mah454: Hm?
[08:13] <mah454> skreech__: nothing ! find !
[08:13] <skreech__> mah454: You found it?
[08:13] <mah454> yes
[08:13] <mah454> thank you :)
[10:13] <mah454> Hello
[10:13] <mah454> How can fix this problem : http://pastebin.com/aqhHRKyW
[12:00] <vip> Hi there, after todays upgrade, I've got problems with connecting from some apps
[12:01] <vip> E.g. kopete jabber plugin, krdc, kadu-dev
[12:01] <vip> here's list of upgraded packages https://gist.github.com/14f73036af2cdb13a389
[12:02] <vip> I'm using quantal
[12:21] <Cenbe> Is there a way to turn off those annoying "System Notification Helper" on-screen messages?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:19] <tusharthantharat> Hi guys
[13:21] <tusharthantharat> can anybody responsd to me
[13:21] <Joit> respond
[13:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello tusharthantharat
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !ask | tusharthantharat
[13:21] <tusharthantharat> okay thanks.. was just checking if i got connected
[13:23] <Joit> tus usual when you get the name list from users, you are here
[13:23] <tusharthantharat> okay thanx. but laterly i was facing some issues
[13:24] <kaddi> is there a known problem with gtalk and kopete at the moment?
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> kaddi:  mine is working fine
[13:26] <kaddi> mine keeps saying: Kopete: Connection problem with Jabber server talk.google.com There was an error authenticating with the server: Login failed with unknown reason.
[13:26] <kaddi> jabber itself is working fine
[13:36] <kaddi> any ideas?
[13:37] <hateball> SSL issues?
[13:40] <kaddi> hmm, i wouldn't know... It was working fine until 2 weeks ago, then it suddenly stopped working
[14:43] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: So, I did a complete reinstall because I hadn't gotten far anyway and it seemed like the easiest solution :P everything is working fine now (to be expected) and now I'm just afraid to install that driver again :P
[14:50] <federica_> is there any dantti print-manager ppa?
[14:52] <shoopdewoop> installing updates, back in a few
[15:18] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: just reinstalled the driver, title bar issue still persists :(
[15:20] <Joit> shoopdewoop: you should probatly fill a bug
[15:20] <Joit> bug report
[15:21] <shoopdewoop> How do I do that?
[15:22] <Joit> 1 sec pls
[15:22] <shoopdewoop> No problem
[15:25] <Joit> i looked up for your gma chip and transparent title bar and got 2 results
[15:25] <Joit> http://linux-update.blogspot.de/2010/05/fix-intel-gma500-graphics-in-ubuntu.html
[15:25] <Joit> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1229345.html
[15:26] <Joit> to fill up a bug there is a system implemented to ubuntu, you can install that with muon, else make an account here https://bugs.launchpad.net and fill one
[15:28] <shoopdewoop> okay thank you for the info
[15:31] <Joit> if you cant fix it with this workarounds above, you maybe better stay with your old driver, i dont think that you will play any shiny games on your machine. for the rest a normal driver work probatly good enough
[15:32] <Joit> and -updates- at linux doesnt mean that they make anything better at linux
[15:32] <shoopdewoop> thats true :P the old resolution is just a little annoying, but it might be the only option (1024x576 vs 860x576) its not crucial really, I should be getting a shiny new laptop pretty soon :)
[15:32] <Joit> sometimes the normal driver works also better with other apps
[15:33] <shoopdewoop> we shall see
[15:33] <Joit> can you do better resolutions with the updated driver?
[15:34] <shoopdewoop> just 1024x576, but its better than 860x576 :P
[15:34] <Joit> proabtly there is only something missing, like the uax missed like above
[15:35] <shoopdewoop> I'll check it out definitely; unfortunately I don't have as much time as I'd like today, but I'll check out those links you  posted
[15:35] <Joit> ok, i can only hope it helps, i am not familar with this chips
[15:36] <shoopdewoop> Anything is helpful, thanks so much :)
[15:40] <Joit> you also can simple look for intel gma500 kubuntu on the net, that should give some results what are probatly interesting
[17:01] <oriol> join #kde-promo
[17:16] <usuario> oi
[17:17] <user_> s
[17:38] <skreech__> hi shoopdewoop
[18:05] <BluesKaj> hey skreech__
[18:08] <skreech__> Hi BluesKaj
[18:53] <pentarex> hey guys can anyone tell me some good screen capture application so I can record my monitor and upload the video to youtube? I am using Kubuntu
[18:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> pentarex:  look at recordmydesktop and recorditnow
[19:03] <genii-around> I also sometimes use VLC to capture the screen
[19:11] <skreech__> pentarex: there is a blogpost on it
[19:11] <skreech__> hold on
[19:11] <skreech__> pentarex: http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=469
[19:11] <pentarex> skreech__: ok I will wait :)
[19:12] <skreech__> pentarex: wait No mure!!!
[19:12] <pentarex> no mure?
[19:12] <skreech__> It's my hurrible accent.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> what accent ? :)
[19:16] <genii-around> nasal congestion?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> must be amuricen
[19:19] <skreech__> BluesKaj: :-)
[19:25] <Aptar> Is there a better picture viewer than Gwenview?
[19:26] <skreech__> Aptar: The Louvre
[19:26] <skreech__> Aptar: What are you looking for?
[19:27] <Aptar> skreech__, Looking to view my pics and videos from a camera.
[19:27] <Aptar> skreech__, I also have some videos that display sideways that need to be rotated.
[19:28] <skreech__> Aptar: tried alt+F2 -> kamera:/
[19:28] <skreech__> I think that gwenview can rotate videos. I forget
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Aptar, gwenview rotates
[19:28] <skreech__> I think Digikam takes more of that into consideration but that's a jackhammer for nail
[19:28] <Aptar> When I display a video in Gwenview it grays out the rotate options
[19:28] <Aptar> pictures will rotate but not my videos
[19:29] <skreech__> confirmed
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Aptar, try VLC for videos , it can rotate as well but you have to dig down several menus
[19:30] <Aptar> ok
[19:32] <BluesKaj> vlc>video>postprocessing>geometry , iirc
[19:33] <Aptar> ok thank you
[19:33] <Aptar> skreech__, I can't even find one called "The Louvre:
[19:35] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Where you able to see if Gwenview really rotates videos?
[19:35] <skreech__> Aptar: It was a joke. :)
[19:35] <Aptar> skreech__,  ;)
[19:35] <skreech__> Aptar: it's alt+F2 -> camera:/
[19:36] <skreech__> kamera is the configuration for that
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Aptar, sorry , it's tools>effectsand filters>video effects>geometry
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Aptar, no < i've never even tried to play videos in gwenview
[19:39] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Ah, ok I got it now...I was looking in the postprocessing menu and couldn't locate it...now I got it, appreciate it! :)
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Aptar, yeah , sorry I have only needed to rotate video in VLC once , so my memory failed
[19:40] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Just about all of the video I have taken with my iphone 4 displays as sideways on here, ugh.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , my freind uses a video cam on his bicycle helmet and records his cross country races , but they were all sideways as well
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> pentarex:  try try recorditnow or kazam
[21:25] <cypher-neo> Hello. I was configuring Kickoff and I wanted to bind it to the Meta key so it launches the menu much like Unity and GNOME do with a single Meta keypress, but it won't capture the key. It looks like it wants me to make it TWO keys! Is there any way to just bind it to one key?
[21:26] <cypher-neo> Meta preferably
[21:26] <eXpander> i have the same problem!
[21:26] <eXpander> Help me!
[21:27]  * BluesKaj wonders what's so difficult about clicking kickoff :)
[21:28] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: It's not really that hard. I was just wondering if it was possible.
[21:28] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: Cause then I could just stick to using the keyboard... almost exclusively
[21:29] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: On GNOME I could do this because the menu is raised on keypress. Now I think KDE is much MUCH better than GNOME.
[21:29] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: There's no way I could be dragged back into GNOME! I was just hoping I could use some of the same keyboard shortcuts I got used to on the other DE.
[21:31] <Daskreech> cypher-neo: I think that it's mapped to Alt=F1
[21:32] <Daskreech> I know there is an issue with using meta as single key as well as a modifier
[21:32] <BluesKaj> cypher-neo, I'm not the guy to ask , there probly are simailer keyboard shortcuts in kde , but I don't use any :/
[21:32] <cypher-neo> Daskreech: Oh...
[21:33] <cypher-neo> Daskreech: That makes sense... Thanks for the help anyway
[21:33] <Daskreech> cypher-neo: There is a hacky ways to get around it so if you want to do it then it is possible


[12:13] <bwmaker> Good morning, everyone.
[12:25] <wrst> good morning bwmaker
[13:04] <bwmaker> How goes it?
[13:08] <wrst> pretty well how are you bwmaker?
[13:14] <bwmaker> Early morning. Better now with coffee. :)
[13:16] <bwmaker> It's 64 and rainy here in Downtown Nashville. Looks to be a beautiful day.
[13:28] <wrst> rain hasn't made it to me... yet
[13:41] <bwmaker> Aren't you out on the Plateau? I remember someone here being from the Cookeville/Crossville area.
[13:50] <bwmaker> Also, Gnome 3.16 is looking good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxRLa5hTGkg


[00:11] <coreycb> thedac, thx I pushed swift-proxy with tests fixed up
[02:03] <thedac> coreycb: did that get pushed up? I don't see it.
[04:02] <coreycb> thedac, it's pushed up now, along with swift-storage and ceilometer-agent
[12:12] <apuimedo> jamespage: answered your comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/midonet/+merge/273717
[12:16] <coreycb> gnuoy`, I pushed to the swift-storage status mp again if you want to take a look
[12:17] <gnuoy`> coreycb, will do, thanks
[12:18] <coreycb> gnuoy`, swift-proxy is also ready for re-review
[12:18] <coreycb> gnuoy`, thanks
[12:19] <jamespage> gnuoy`, morning
[12:20] <jamespage> hey apuimedo - will look shortly
[12:20] <apuimedo> thanks jamespage
[12:29] <apuimedo> https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charms/trusty/neutron-api/midonet/+merge/273772 as well
[12:35] <jamespage> apuimedo, erm I can seen any response on either of those two merges?
[12:35] <jamespage> can't rather
[12:38] <apuimedo> mmm
[12:38] <apuimedo> let me check
[12:39] <apuimedo> jamespage: sorry about that, forgot to press save. They should be visible now
[12:39] <jamespage> lol
[12:41] <apuimedo> I'm a launchpad noob :P
[12:55] <jrwren> is there a debugging guide for juju. Something I can follow when juju won't deploy new services or machines and the debug-log output seems to end 10 hours ago?
[14:00] <apuimedo> jamespage: I submitted the fix to charm-helpers to add the missing relation (neutron-api/next will need to be synched again)
[14:02] <jamespage> apuimedo, does MidonetContext get used elsewhere? otherwise lets avoid a ch-sync task and just drop it into the contexts for neuton-api itself
[14:03] <apuimedo> jamespage: at the moment only in neutron-api
[14:03] <jamespage> apuimedo, direct into neutron-api then is fine
[14:03] <apuimedo> jamespage: right. I thought about that too
[14:03] <apuimedo> so I'll put it there :P
[14:03] <apuimedo> thanks
[14:03] <apuimedo> jamespage: anything about the other comments I made?
[14:03] <jamespage> apuimedo, still looking
[14:03] <apuimedo> good, thanks
[14:08] <jamespage> apuimedo, responded on nova-cc - I don't think config gets passed to all templates
[14:09] <apuimedo> mmm, I tested this one like a month ago
[14:09] <jamespage> apuimedo, NovaConfigContext
[14:09] <apuimedo> but I'll test it again
[14:09] <jamespage> does the same thing that you'll need
[14:27] <apuimedo> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charms/trusty/neutron-api/midonet/+merge/273772 should address your comments
[14:30] <jamespage> apuimedo, I'm not sure the relative pathing for key file open calls will work
[14:30] <apuimedo> I'll try it
[14:30] <jamespage> hooks run from the toplevel of the charm
[14:30] <jamespage> apuimedo, it might be better to use the charm_dir function to fully specify it
[14:31] <jamespage> thats in hookenv I think
[14:31] <apuimedo> let's see
[14:31] <apuimedo> I'll read that method up
[14:31] <jamespage> os.path.join(charm_dir(), 'files/midonet.key')
[14:31] <apuimedo> ok
[14:31] <apuimedo> I didn't know about that one ;-)
[14:32] <jamespage> apuimedo, a unit test to cover the changes in neutron_api_utils.py would help validate that one way or the other
[14:32] <jamespage> that should be pretty trivial
[14:33] <apuimedo> what should it cover? installation of the source?
[14:34] <jamespage> apuimedo, it should validate that given plugin == midonet and source being one of mem/midonet, that the right calls are made to add_source
[14:34] <jamespage> just exercise the code paths appropriately
[14:34] <jamespage> apuimedo, also my comment on the neutron.conf changes was wrong
[14:35] <jamespage> the change to the juno file disables loadbalancer and firewall for anything other that midonet
[14:35] <jamespage> I think it needs to reflect the way you did it in the kilo neutron.conf file
[14:35] <jamespage> if midonet
[14:35] <jamespage> else
[14:35] <jamespage> ....
[14:37] <apuimedo> jamespage: it should just be != "midonet"
[14:37] <apuimedo> probably a typo
[14:38] <jamespage> apuimedo, not sure but right now it will regress other plugins
[14:38] <apuimedo> yes
[14:38] <apuimedo> I'll push the fix now
[14:38] <jamespage> apuimedo, I'm assuming that
[14:38] <jamespage> +service_provider = LOADBALANCER:Midonet:midonet.neutron.services.loadbalancer.driver.MidonetLoadbalancerDriver:default
[14:38] <jamespage> 531
[14:38] <jamespage> does not have juno context then?
[14:39] <apuimedo> I think we did not have our own load balancer then
[14:39] <apuimedo> I'll double check
[14:49] <apuimedo> jamespage: fix pushed
[15:00] <jamespage> apuimedo, I really would like to see unit tests for the code additions to this charm - the new context and the source configuration specifically
[15:00] <jamespage> apuimedo, also can i ask why the username and password is not passed over the midonet relation, and is provided by config instead?
[15:00] <jamespage> I may have already asked that at some point in the past..
[15:00] <jamespage> can't remember
[15:01] <apuimedo> jamespage: It used to be fetched from a charm called midonet-repository that you told me to remove and make the repo configuration be config and not a relation
[15:02] <jamespage> apuimedo, oh - sorry being dumb - that's not the password to access midonet services - just the repos...
[15:02] <apuimedo> midonet-api is not the owner of the repo information
[15:02] <jamespage> apuimedo, I woke up to early
[15:02] <apuimedo> yes
[15:02] <jamespage> sorry
[15:02] <apuimedo> no problem
[15:02]  * jamespage <- jetlagged
[15:03] <apuimedo> where did you fly?
[15:10] <robbiew> Seattle
[15:12] <apuimedo> nice
[15:58] <rbasak> Is there any way to set Juju's default placement? So I don't need to say --to lxc:0 all the time with the manual provider, for example?
[17:58] <jose> jcastro: ping
[17:59] <Icey> is there a way to say that the other side of this relation has to be finished before running?
[18:04] <jose> Icey: could you give a little more context?
[18:04] <Icey> working on a charm that uses the elasticsearch relation
[18:04] <Icey> the elasticsearch charm manages UFW
[18:05] <Icey> our charm is trying to create an index in Elasticsearch but sometimes fails if it's relation-changed hook runs before elasticsearch's has opened up the ports
[18:05] <jose> probably because there's no way for your charm to reach elasticsearch?
[18:05] <jose> try adding a check to see if the port is open before running
[18:09] <Icey> yeah, was just hoping to have more than an infinite loop to wait on the port
[18:10] <jose> Icey: would you mind doing a paste of your relation-changed hook? I wanna check something real quick
[18:14] <Icey> https://github.com/cholcombe973/ceph-metrics-collector/blob/master/hooks/hooks.py#L192
[18:14] <Icey> the part that's failing is in https://github.com/cholcombe973/ceph-metrics-collector/blob/master/hooks/hooks.py#L181
[18:14] <Icey>  / https://github.com/cholcombe973/ceph-metrics-collector/blob/master/hooks/hooks.py#L127
[18:32] <jose> Icey: I think what you need to do there is check if elasticsearch has already set values for the relation, don't just run. your charm is running even though ES is not ready
[18:42] <cholcombe> jose, for relation_get is the unit the ip addr of the ES unit?
[18:43] <jose> huh?
[18:43] <cholcombe> jose, i'm also working on Icey's problem
[18:43] <jose> I know, but what did you mean with your last question?
[18:43] <cholcombe> well you said grab the values that ES is setting with relation_get
[18:44] <jose> yes. elasticsearch will set relation values once the unit is ready for a relaiton
[18:44] <jose> relation*
[18:45] <cholcombe> jose, ok great
[18:45] <jose> tbh, I don't know what those values are since I don't know the interface, but they should be documented somewhere
[18:45] <jose> otherwise, checking the charm source will do
[18:45] <cholcombe> yeah i'm looking
[18:48] <cholcombe> jose, if that relation value isn't set can i return 0 and expect to have my changed hook get called again or is it a one shot deal?
[18:48] <jose> cholcombe: that's right! when the values change it will count as a relation change, meaning that the relation-changed hook will run again
[18:48] <cholcombe> jose, ok cool
[18:48] <cholcombe> i wonder why juju is calling me before the relation values are set
[18:49] <jose> because a relation-joined is followed by a relation-changed
[18:49] <cholcombe> i see
[19:36] <bdx> How's it going everyone?? Are there are any plans in the works for an official repo for layers and interfaces? ....If not, an official general location for interfaces and layers would be sweet, and would also make the development and usage workflow much nicer:-)
[19:40] <bdx> juju-solutions, core: I am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/12726889/ when trying to login with launchpad to http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[19:43] <bdx> I assume it is because I am not in a group with the correct permissions
[21:00] <asanjar> does anyone know what this error means http://paste.ubuntu.com/12727715/
[21:15] <lazypower> asanjar, o/
[21:15] <lazypower> asanjar, that looks like something went awry with the storage manager. what version of juju?
[21:23] <asanjar> hi lazypower juju --version ==> 1.24.6-vivid-ppc64el
[21:24] <lazypower> asanjar, Storage got a massive revamp in 1.25. If you're not opposed to running from the devel ppa, that error message *should* go away.
[21:26] <asanjar> okay will do


[14:46] <OvenWerks> Is there a reason all the current Iso directories also have old saucy images in them? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ For example, but I would guess the rest are the same.
[14:47] <OvenWerks> Is there a better place to ask :)
[14:49] <stgraber> seems like a bug, possibly related to the current/pending logic
[14:49] <stgraber> cjwatson: ^
[14:50] <stgraber> the 20131016.1 image should also have disappeared a while back, I suspect it's only kep there because it's referenced from current/
[14:50] <stgraber> it's easy enough to manually fix, but I'd rather wait for cjwatson to take a look so we can get the tool fixed instead
[14:52] <OvenWerks> No problem, just making sure someone is aware.
[15:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: I've always just cleaned them out by hand TBH
[15:05] <cjwatson> Though it's probably easier to fix now following the Python rewrite
[15:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok, I wasn't sure the mixed saucy/trusty symlinks under current/ was a known issue when opening a new series. If it's, then that's fine and it's indeed quite easy to fix by hand.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Actually, that's odd, it's meant to have code for this already
[15:07] <cjwatson> Oh, it's just current, OK, that's fixable
[15:07] <cjwatson> stgraber: Never mind, I'll fix the code :)
[15:07] <stgraber> thanks :)
[15:07] <cjwatson> And you're correct about the effect on pruning, of course
[16:34] <slangasek> zul: the new version of samba is blocking in trusty-proposed because it makes several other packages uninstallable (zentyal-samba, openchange, rds).  Will you take care of figuring out what needs to happen with these?
[16:34] <zul> slangasek:  sure
[16:35] <slangasek> openchange probably just needs a merge from unstable; rds and zentyal aren't in Debian so maybe they need removed
[16:35] <slangasek> zul: thanks
[16:37] <jamespage> slangasek, I'll ping the zentyal guys - they pretty much look after their own packaging these days
[16:37] <xnox> slangasek: zentyal supposedly had zentyal upstream working in ubuntu and packing it, with even maybe PPU rights as well (can't remember)
[16:38] <slangasek> ah, alrighty
[16:40] <zul> slangasek:  zentyal has their own ppa now afaik
[16:40] <slangasek> does that mean we want it removed from the archive?
[16:41] <zul> i dont know they havent done anything for a while
[16:42] <jamespage> slangasek, zul: I've ping the upstream guy to find out
[16:47] <jamespage> slangasek, zul: they are looking at what todo now - lets give them a couple of days if thats OK
[16:48] <zul> thats cool with me
[17:00] <Ursinha> slangasek, cjwatson, infinity, are we mumbling today?
[17:01] <cjwatson> I would but I seem to have mislaid my headphones ...
[17:04] <cjwatson> Oh, there they are
[17:13] <jamespage> slangasek, zul: OK _ they have quite a bit of work todo upstream things to various other projects
[17:13] <jamespage> so we agreed removal right now is the best course for zentyal
[17:14] <jamespage> zentyal-samba at least
[17:17] <cjwatson> stgraber: still working on that cdimage thing, fwiw - I'm certainly convinced it's real but having a bit of trouble setting up a test for it
[17:17] <stgraber> ok :)
[17:17] <slangasek> jamespage: that also breaks zentyal-printers + ebox-printers, should those also be removed?  (And can you file a removal request?)
[17:17] <jamespage> oh - go on then :-)
[17:23] <jamespage> bug 1252375 for reference
[17:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1252375 in zentyal-samba (Ubuntu) "Please remove zentyal-samba + zentyal-printers from trusty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252375
[17:27] <cjwatson> stgraber,OvenWerks: code fixed; the next daily build should have the effect of clearing things out
[17:27] <cjwatson> (I'll check tomorrow)
[17:40] <arges> so. not sure what happened. I dput an updated crash package, but I didn't get a notification via email nor did dput complain. I also don't see it in the trusty queues.
[17:46] <cjwatson> 2013-11-18 16:09:12 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20131118-160843-000434/crash_7.0.3-3ubuntu1_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20131118-160843-000434/
[17:46] <cjwatson> crash_7.0.3-3ubuntu1_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')"]
[17:46] <cjwatson> arges: Are you sure you signed it?
[17:46] <arges> cjwatson: yes, double checking now
[17:47] <cjwatson> If you definitely did, then I think that must be a problem communicating with the keyserver, and it probably needs help from #webops internal.
[17:47] <cjwatson> Or #launchpad-ops.
[17:47] <arges> gpg: Good signature from "Chris J Arges<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <arges> etc
[17:47] <arges> cjwatson: ok. i'll ping #webops...anything I can reference to make it easier for them to track down?
[17:47] <apw> launchpad was having a funny turn for me a bit ago
[17:48] <cjwatson> arges: The log messages above, which I found in carob:/srv/launchpad.net-logs/production/pepo/lp_queue/process-upload.log
[17:48] <arges> cjwatson: thanks
[17:49] <cjwatson> In the past this has sometimes been related to communication problems between pepo and the keyserver, although I'm guessing
[19:29] <ScottK> stgraber: Is there a reason you didn't release desktop-file-utils when you were going through saucy SRUs just now?
[19:30] <stgraber> ScottK: hmm, my bash history says I did
[19:30] <ScottK> OK.
[19:30] <ScottK> The bug doesn't seem updated, maybe LP is just slow.
[19:30] <stgraber> yeah, not sure what happened there, let me sru-release it again...
[19:31] <stgraber> ah, no, was my bad, typo in the source name :)
[19:31] <stgraber> released now
[19:31] <ScottK> Excellent.
[19:31] <ScottK> Thanks for getting to it 5 minutes before me and saving me the work.
[19:31] <stgraber> :)
[19:32] <stgraber> oh and looks like muon built fine now (was FTBFS), so I'll release that one in a few minutes too
[19:32] <stgraber> (FTBFS on arm64 that was)
[19:33] <ScottK> Thanks.


[17:00] <Aisyk_40> Hi !
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> uh.... hi?
[17:40] <bhechinger> Eickmeyer: Ok, I have one for you.  Your Firewire device is your primary audio device for JACK, and if JACK can't access it, boom goes the dynamite.
[17:43] <bhechinger> But why can't it access it?
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Oh, you mean plugging it in?
[17:43] <bhechinger> I can't have two devices plugged in? (separate physical ports)
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> You might have to start JACK *after* plugging it in.
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> JACK doesn't support hotplugging in that config.
[17:44] <bhechinger> Ah
[17:44] <bhechinger> Hmm, seems to be hung adding bridges
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> I'm not 100% certain PulseAudio bridges are supported on FFADO, that's an OvenWerks question.
[17:45] <bhechinger> It's always worked
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Still an OvenWerks question as to why it'd be hanging, I don't have FireWire devices.
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> Also, he may have designed it for only one FW device.
[17:46] <bhechinger> For now I'll just unplug it. :-D
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> There you go. :)
[17:47] <bhechinger> Not super important. Just trying to figure out if it can be useful for me (I would love to be able to boot off of it but something tells me that's not happening in this day and age)
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Latest PipeWire supports FireWire, for what it's worth.
[17:53] <bhechinger> but not FFADO. :(
[17:57] <bhechinger> I mean, I'm doing exactly 0 audio things these days so that's probably less of a big deal.
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> bhechinger: No, not true. I remember seeing a changelog entry for PipeWire that it supports FFADO.
[18:10] <bhechinger> Oh? Last I heard they weren't being responsive to the FFADO team's offers of help getting it integrated. I'll check that out, that's good news!
[18:10] <bhechinger> https://docs.pipewire.org/page_module_ffado_driver.html
[18:10] <bhechinger> WOO
[18:11] <bhechinger> ffado.devices: array of devices to open, default "hw:0"
[18:11] <bhechinger> supports multiple devices, that's actually awesome
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Yep. The latest release (not in 23.10, sadly, but will be in the development branch as soon as nn opens) is the 1.0 RC.
[18:21] <bhechinger> That's excellent news. That means migrating to pipewire is way less painful for Ubuntu Studio
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> That's why the "not for professional audio" bit is being removed from the messaging for PipeWire.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> It's already default in 23.04 and 23.10.
[18:26] <bhechinger> I do fear you're going to be losing me to NixOS though. Running that on the laptop was very nice. I liked it a lot.
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I've heard great things about that experience. I'm doing everything I can to make Ubuntu Studio's experience top-notch for creativity, though.
[18:41] <bhechinger> I'm thinking about maybe doing a NixOS Studio. Musnix mostly has the details (RT, pipewire, ffado) taken care of so mainly it's just the outward polish bits. Installed software, sane defaults and configs, etc.


[01:05] <kwmonroe> Bialogs: if you're using the gui, i think grey means the relation has been tentatively requested.. it goes green once you commit that request and the command gets sent to juju.  that's my best guess, but #juju-gui would have the authoritative answer.
[01:55] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: Bialogs correct
[01:55] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: Bialogs I think that the relation lines for subordinates are also grey though and deemphasized
[03:28] <thumper> lazyPower: I don't suppose you are working late into the night again are you?
[03:49] <jose> in his birthday?
[03:50] <jose> (actually, I was going to ask the same question :P)
[07:34] <suchvenu> Hi, I am an IBM charmer . I am getting the following error while trying to create a bug in Launchpad
[07:34] <suchvenu> Oops!  Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.  We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.  (Error ID: OOPS-fa7f47217944bd43836662fe22cb1415)
[07:35] <suchvenu> Can someone help with this
[11:00] <ludvigx> Has any of you guys ever experienced that the juju cli tools become unresponsive ? returning nothing. Only command that returns anything is juju version
[11:03] <andyjeffries> Does anyone know of a good blog post/document on how to run your own Juju charms store?  We want private charms that aren't publicly accessible (we may open source them later, but we'd like that to be an explicit action, we may not if they are complely custom to our systems).
[11:08] <marcoceppi> ludvigx: yes, typically means it can't connect to the environment you're trying to talk to/it thinks it's still bootstrapped (if it's not)
[11:09] <marcoceppi> andyjeffries: you'd have to just create a local charms repository https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charms-deploying#deploying-from-a-local-repository
[11:09] <ludvigx> marcoceppi : hmm, it was a functioning environment before. So possibly a problem on the bootstrap node ?
[11:10] <marcoceppi> ludvigx: it's possible,  best to run `juju status --debug --show-log`
[11:10] <marcoceppi> let that run until it completes, which may take a while
[11:11] <andyjeffries> marcoceppi: OK, so we couldn't use the Juju GUI to deploy charms from a local repository on our development machines?  Or we could, but we'd put the local repository on our Juju server and then would run the juju command only from that server (because our development machines wouldn't have the local repository on it)?
[11:11] <debochat> I am trying to install "libgcc1:i386" through my Juju install hook but the command is failing with the below error:
[11:11] <debochat> 2015-05-26 08:59:23 INFO unit.wxs/0.install logger.go:40 E: Unable to locate package libgcc1
[11:11] <andyjeffries> I saw there was a repo on GitHub https://github.com/juju/charmstore and thought there'd be a doc/blog somewhere on how to run this for a local/private/hosted install.
[11:11] <debochat> but the same command works when trying manually
[11:12] <marcoceppi> andyjeffries: you *can* deploy local charms to the GUI, by dragging and dropping zips of them, but it's not a perfect experience
[11:12] <debochat> my juju env is local
[11:13] <debochat> and working on ubuntu 14.04
[11:13] <marcoceppi> andyjeffries: you can also run a charmstore locally, but juju has no way of knowing how to point to it, so you'd have to poision DNS to get that to work. Also, charmstore ingests it's data from launchpad atm, so even if you did get it running still not perfect because you'd have to have a private launchpad running IIRC
[11:13] <andyjeffries> marcoceppi: Sorry, I may be confusing terms (I'm new to Juju and OpenStack).  We want to publish our charms to a local (inside our network) charm store, so that later they can be searched for in the same way as the rest of the charms.  We'd probably want to point our Juju server to our local charm store server and then we'd fork/clone any public charms we wanted to use to in to there (unless there's an easy way of having Juju use multiple stores and
[11:13] <andyjeffries> clearly differentiate them).  Clearer?
[11:14] <andyjeffries> marcoceppi: That's great, thank you.  So this isn't a use-case that's ready to run, it's a bit of hackery...
[11:15] <marcoceppi> andyjeffries: so that use case is coming, it's just not a clean story now. I'd say in the next 2-3 months that will be much stronger, running a private to you charm store
[11:15] <marcoceppi> debochat: that's odd, maybe run apt-get update before your install command?
[11:16] <andyjeffries> marcoceppi: Thank you.  We're going to be launching our env after that point, but will need a hacky solution until then - we'll work on that ourselves then (unless the work in making it a clean story is a public repo that we can test/contribute to?)
[11:17] <debochat> marcoceppi: you mean, include the code - apt-get update before calling apt-get install in my install hook?
[11:17] <marcoceppi> andyjeffries: you'd have to pop into #juju-dev to figure out that, I don't think it's yet been worked on
[11:17] <marcoceppi> debochat: yup
[11:17] <andyjeffries> marcoceppi: OK, thanks very much for the pointers :-)
[11:17] <andyjeffries> Appreciate it!
[11:18] <debochat> marcoceppi: many thanks, will try that.
[11:42] <schkovich> how to avoid downtime during upgrade-charm? i diligently tested everything in staging environment but still upgrading all units in production at once makes me feel uncomfortable.
[11:44] <marcoceppi> schkovich: we're working on ways to model blue-green upgrades in juju, though it's not entirely possible at the moment
[11:45] <schkovich> marcoceppi: define entirely possible ;)
[11:45] <schkovich> marcoceppi: is it possible to some degree?
[11:47] <schkovich> marcoceppi: the only idea that i have at the moment is to define a new environment but that is kind of way to complicated since there is a number of charms running and i need just to upgrade one
[11:47] <marcoceppi> schkovich: you could deploy the new charm under a different name
[11:47] <marcoceppi> lets say the service is mysql
[11:47] <marcoceppi> so you already have juju deploy mysql
[11:48] <marcoceppi> if you do juju deploy mysql mysql-green
[11:48] <marcoceppi> then do all the relations, you can then just "failover" to the green one
[11:48] <marcoceppi> and destroy the previous one
[11:49] <schkovich> marcoceppi: okay, does make sense, in that case i could deploy charm to each server one by one.
[11:51] <Odd_Bloke> jose: Thanks for your review, sorry for missing all the conflicts; I'll look at it today.
[11:51] <Odd_Bloke> I would have commented there, but LP isn't letting me. ;.;
[11:54] <schkovich> marcoceppi: i have local charm store trust/x-charm, will creating symlinks x-charm-green and x-charm-red work? eg will i be able to say juju deploy x-charm-green or juju deploy x-charm-red?
[11:54] <Odd_Bloke> jose: Or, alternatively, it was waiting so you could get the same comment 5 times. ¬.¬
[11:54] <marcoceppi> schkovich: no, all you need to do is type `juju deploy local:trusty/x-charm x-charm-green`
[11:55] <marcoceppi> it'll deploy x-charm but call it x-charm-green to avoid collisions
[11:55] <schkovich> marcoceppi: awesome! i was not aware of that. is it documented?
[11:56] <schkovich> marcoceppi: it's like charm alias
[11:58] <marcoceppi> schkovich: it really should be, doesn't appear to be. I'll fix that
[11:58] <marcoceppi> `juju help deploy` covers it, very sparsley too :\
[12:04] <schkovich> marcoceppi: <service name>, if omitted, will be derived from <charm name>. this one?
[12:05] <marcoceppi> schkovich: yes
[12:09] <schkovich> marcoceppi: i read that line so many times but it never came to my mind in which way could it be useful :)
[12:09] <schkovich> marcoceppi: thanks a lot!
[12:13] <web> wow active this morning.  :)
[13:14] <schkovich> marcoceppi: juju deploy local:trusty/charm-x charm-x-green --to y is not working. :( i am still getting the old version of charm
[13:14] <schkovich> marcoceppi: perhaps i should include revision number as well?
[14:54] <stub> If the leader updates the leader settings, is it possible that other units will see the changes first in any hook? Or is the first place they will see the changes guaranteed to be the leader-settings-changed hook?
[14:56] <stub> fwereade: Do you know off the top of your head?
[15:08] <Odd_Bloke> aisrael: I don't really know the charm MP process; are your +1s enough for me to merge things myself?
[15:10] <tvansteenburgh> Odd_Bloke: only a member of ~charmers can do the merge
[15:42] <fwereade> stub, it's not quaranteed to wait until leader-settings-changed
[15:43] <fwereade> stub, similarly to relation settings -- you may see values from the future that render future change hooks redundant
[16:22] <jose> Odd_Bloke: can you link me to that MP that has a +1 so I can take a quick look?
[16:22] <jose> Odd_Bloke: also, LP may be weird sometimes, don't forget it works with karma :P
[16:35] <Odd_Bloke> jose: But I've been a good boy! :p
[16:35] <jose> hehe
[16:35] <Odd_Bloke> jose: You mean https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/update_charm-helpers/+merge/260956 ?
[16:36] <jose> oh, I'm looking into that one right now
[16:36] <Odd_Bloke> (I don't mean to brag, but I have _several_ MPs with +1s ;) )
[16:37] <jose> check your email
[16:39] <Odd_Bloke> jose: \o/
[16:43] <Odd_Bloke> jose: Thanks! :)
[16:45] <jose> Odd_Bloke: thanks to you for the fixes - greatly appreciated!
[16:45] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[16:49] <Odd_Bloke> jose: Will those changes now have to pass CI to get published?  (If there's a link to a doc about the process, I'm happy to read up on it :)
[16:50] <jose> Odd_Bloke: when you create an MP, it goes into the review queue (review.juju.solutions). the CI instances catch up and process the tests, and then we review (accept/reject) based on what we see and the CI results
[16:50] <jose> and then we merge, which is the final step if it's all good
[17:23] <stub> fwereade: Ta. It may have been a pedantic question, but it actually affects my design :)
[17:25] <arosales> any folks knowledgable on how the "charm collection" is set up in LP?
[17:26] <stub> arosales: Its modelled as a distribution, like Ubuntu or Debian.
[17:26] <arosales> specifically why I see things like https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/platform-lsf/
[17:26] <arosales> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/crate
[17:27] <arosales> stub these aren't recommended charms, but  I still see their URLs in LP. However, no code attached.
[17:28] <arosales> I am guessing when folks push to a personal name space it still shows up in the charm collection but doesn't attach the code branch . .  .?
[17:29] <stub> arosales: I think every sourcepackage name has a URL in that space. https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/pytz works for example
[17:30] <stub> arosales: #launchpad might know more
[17:44] <arosales> stub, hmm thanks
[18:38] <marcoceppi> arosales: stub is correct
[18:38] <marcoceppi> every source package has a place holder in charms
[18:38] <marcoceppi> but only charmers can link the source package alias to the branch
[18:38] <arosales> marcoceppi, why isn't the source code branch attached?
[18:39] <marcoceppi> because there is no source code for it
[18:39] <arosales> ah, so its an alias
[18:39] <arosales> and I can't submit a bug against it either correct
[18:39] <arosales> ie I couldn't submit a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/pytz
[18:44] <marcoceppi> arosales: you probably could tbh
[18:44] <arosales> marcoceppi, I get the following error
[18:44] <arosales> "platform-lsf" does not exist in Juju Charms Collection. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[18:44] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/platform-lsf/+filebug
[18:44] <marcoceppi> arosales: oh, well there ya go
[18:45] <arosales> so I was just trying to figure that piece out
[18:45] <arosales> it looks like IBMers are actually getting an oops from LP when trying to do this though
[18:45] <arosales> so I was trying to reproduce that oops
[18:45]  * arosales can't reproduce the oops, but I get an error message back from LP at least
[20:52] <upper--> hi guys, is it possible to reference variables inside an amulet sentry 'run'?
[20:53] <upper--> e.g. self.unit.run('grep ', somevariable, '/etc/whatever')
[20:53] <mbruzek> upper--:  how do you mean?  You can build the run command *with* variables.
[20:53] <mbruzek> string = 'grep {0} /etc/whatever'.format(variable)
[20:53] <mbruzek> self.unit.run(string)
[20:54] <mbruzek> upper does that help?
[20:54] <upper--> yep cheers


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[19:14] <flocculant> if anyone has been seeing me and the mysterious 32 bit fail to boot - seems it's a kernel issue to do with meltdown fixes and appearing if hardware has iommu