[08:47] <thepotoo> toshiba satellite 1138-1171 iirc
[08:48] <ogra> thepotoo: there are some sttelites, probably you can get info there: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[08:50] <thepotoo> AWESOME!  Thank you so much!
[08:50] <ogra> :)
[08:50] <zenwhen> Hey ogra.
[08:50] <zenwhen> Whats up?
[08:50] <ogra> hey zen
[08:52] <ogra> zenwhen: just wanted to pop in to tell everybody that the german "linux user" has a ubuntu CD inside this month....now i am stuck here since a hour again, heh
[08:52] <xukun> thepotoo: you can always boot from the knoppix cd and copy the XF86config-4 to your ubuntu's /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:52] <thepotoo> oh, yeah.
[08:52] <thepotoo> i'll do that, thanks
[08:52] <xukun> that should do it
[08:52] <zenwhen> Awesome.
[08:53] <zenwhen> Hopefully Linux Format will have Ubuntu in the cover.
[08:53] <zenwhen> I write them a letter requesting them to.
[08:53] <zenwhen> wrote*
[08:53] <ogra> zew: if they test it ..... they will be convinced *g*
[08:56] <hornbeck> JStrike?
[08:56] <xukun> guys if I cant find a package whith apt-get, how can I get it in warty without messing with the sources.list?
[08:58] <Tyche> I wanted the latest Apache/MySQL/PHP install so I uninstalled and set it up myself...is there an easier way to getting the latest of those apps?
[08:58] <ogra> xukun: what are you looking for ?
[08:58] <Treenaks> Tyche: just use the versions in hoary?
[08:58] <Treenaks> Tyche: you don't need newer version
[08:58] <ogra> Tyche: what for do you need a newer one ?
[08:58] <JStrike> hornbeck : Was just looking through your Beagle wiki entry. Seems a bit silly everyone building their own versions of Beagle, Inotify kernel and evo#. Is it not possible to create the debs and post them to universe or some such to reduce the duplication?
[08:59] <xukun> ogra: Apache/MySQL/PHP
[09:00] <ogra> xukun: sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server phpmyadmin
[09:01] <xukun> ogra: Ok,
[09:01] <ogra> xukun: oh, i forgot : php4-mysql
[09:02] <xukun> ogra: I,m also very new to this, I,m daying for a good howto for newbie setting all that up and running for newbie like me, I did tryied google
[09:03] <d0gmaz> how do i upgrade to x.org with the least trouble?
[09:03] <ogra> xukun: the doc team here is working hard on something that applies to ubuntu...but it will take its time....
[09:03] <corbob> what comes after grumpy?
[09:03] <fissy> how do i uninstall a program using apt-get at the cli?
[09:03] <corbob> there's not too many hog names left;)
[09:03] <ogra> xukun: but the wiki is a good place to start.....
[09:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: define trouble ;)
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: perky
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: penguin
[09:04] <corbob> the perky...
[09:04] <corbob> that's not a hog:P
[09:04] <snaga> can anyone point me to docs for setting up basic Apache2 ssl (https) support?
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: afaik not :)
[09:04] <corbob> i was thinking the ... water hog...
[09:05] <corbob> there's also a mexican hog...
[09:05] <ogra> corbob: you can make suggestions.... dig the wiki... i dunno the url ;)
[09:05] <dle> looks like someone beat me to it: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=16946#post16946
[09:05] <d0gmaz> ogra, well dunno :P but what's the best way? remove xfree restart install xorg or just install xorg?
[09:06] <ogra> d0gmaz: you shouldnt mix hoary and warty.... could break.....
[09:06] <d0gmaz> ogra, i updated all other packages to hoary
[09:06] <ogra> d0gmaz: smart-upgrade/dist-upgrade ??
[09:07] <corbob> if i order cds, then realise i need more, would it be difficult to update my order, assuming it hasn't been shipped...
[09:07] <d0gmaz> ogra, smart upgrade
[09:07] <corbob> or should i just order like 30 cds and try and find people to give it to;)
[09:07] <ogra> d0gmaz: so you got xorg in front of your eyes i guess....
[09:07] <cenerentola> is there mako?
[09:08] <xukun> ogra: I was afraid of this but phpmyadmin and php4-mysql are lot in the repositories of warty
[09:08] <ogra> xukun: enabled universe ?
[09:08] <d0gmaz> ogra, no
[09:08] <d0gmaz> ogra, i updated all packages to hoary wich are installed
[09:08] <ogra> d0gmaz: smart upgrade pulls them in
[09:09] <d0gmaz> ogra, not xorg if xfree is installed i think?
[09:09] <ogra> d0gmaz: look in /etc/X11 for a file called xorg.conf
[09:09] <ogra> d0gmaz: if its there you got xorg
[09:09] <d0gmaz> ogra, its XF86Config-4 im still on xfree
[09:10] <corbob> d0gmaz, i did the same thing, and i have xorg installed
[09:10] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Would just be nice to know I am up-to-date. I am currently running Apache 2.0.52, MySQL 4.1.7, PHP 4.3.9
[09:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: is there a file called xorg.conf ?
[09:10] <d0gmaz> ogra, nope
[09:10] <corbob> d0gmaz, do a search in synaptic for xserver...
[09:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: so it wasnt a smart upgrade
[09:11] <Treenaks> Tyche: just keep running the versions in hoary/warty
[09:11] <ogra> d0gmaz: XF86Config-4 will be there too....
[09:11] <Treenaks> Tyche: what functionality is missing?
[09:11] <corbob> it should show both xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg, only one of them should be installed...
[09:11] <d0gmaz> ogra, i start synaptic with the hoary mirrors setup refresh upgrade smart
[09:11] <Tyche> Treenaks: I do not know...I didn't not upgrade because it wasn't doing something.
[09:11] <d0gmaz> yes xfree is installed and i want xorg whats the best way to do?
[09:12] <corbob> d0gmaz, use synaptic to install xserver-xorg, and it will automagically remove xfree86
[09:12] <ogra> d0gmaz: listen to corbob
[09:12] <Treenaks> Tyche: you almost never need newer versions than available as packages
[09:12] <mrjive> hi *
[09:12] <corbob> at least it appears that it would do the same thing in reverse
[09:12] <d0gmaz> corbob, ok thanks
[09:12] <corbob> and you'll need to reboot, cause i think it messes with how themes would normally be installed and what not
[09:13] <mako> cenerentola: there is mako
[09:13] <d0gmaz> corbob, i also saw a package for make live easier with installing xorg do i need it?
[09:13] <corbob> hrm i gotta get ready to go out
[09:13] <corbob> d0gmaz, ???
[09:13] <lupus_> is there a plugin for rhytmbox
[09:13] <lupus_> for lyrics?
[09:14] <ogra> d0gmaz: you dont need to do anything to get xorg up, i guess you wont even notice the change
[09:14] <corbob> only people like me would notice the difference:P
[09:14] <corbob> i don't have artifacts left when i move windows anymore:)
[09:14] <Tyche> Treenaks: On this system...I have nothing installed, what is the best way to install?
[09:14] <ogra> corbob: hehe
[09:14] <ogra> corbob: great
[09:15] <Tyche> Treenaks: Is it just by using Synaptic and searching for apache2?
[09:15] <corbob> actually that seems to be the 2.6 kernel, cause very time i tried the 2.4 kernel i had artifacts
[09:15] <ogra> corbob: 2.4 on hoary ?
[09:15] <Treenaks> Tyche: yes
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: synaptic will also care for security fixes
[09:16] <Tyche> Treenaks: and then it will just work? No configuration or anything? Where do I find the docroot, etc?
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: ...if set up correctly
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: /var/www
[09:16] <corbob> ogra, no not on hoary
[09:16] <corbob> on other distros
[09:17] <Treenaks> Tyche: it'll just work
[09:17] <Treenaks> Tyche: read the config and documentation in /usr/share/doc/
[09:17] <corbob> well off to have lunch with the girly friend
[09:18] <corbob> will be ordering cds either tonight or tomorrow morning, once i find out how many i should order
[09:18] <ogra> corbob bye....come back ;)
[09:19] <d0gmaz> wow went well im updated to xorg without trouble
[09:19] <dle> I need to figure out why my .procmailrc is being ignored.  All my mail is going to the spool rather than thru spamc/spamd and to my mailboxes.  Any ideas why this might be?
[09:20] <Treenaks> ditCh: on ubuntu?
[09:20] <Treenaks> dle: on ubuntu?
[09:20] <dle> Treenaks, yes.
[09:20] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Okay, thanks. Sorry still used to confuring everything on my own. What about setting it up to start on start up?
[09:20] <Treenaks> dle: do you have a ~/.forward and/or mailbox_command in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[09:20] <ogra> Tyche: auto ....... hehe
[09:21] <Tyche> ogra: Nice...this is going to spoil me?
[09:21] <Treenaks> Tyche: probably ;)
[09:21] <ogra> Tyche: thats ubuntu !!
[09:21] <JStrike> So, how stable is Hoary right now? Unusable or usable but you get both pieces?
[09:21] <dle> Treenaks: I have a .forward.  mailbox_command I'm not familiar with.
[09:21] <Treenaks> ogra: and debian, for that matter
[09:21] <ogra> yep
[09:21] <Treenaks> dle: make sure .forward is parsed
[09:21] <JB80> JStrike, i havent managed to break it yet
[09:21] <Gwildor_> jstrike, I am having no troubles atm, but I am newb, and don't test too much
[09:21] <dle> Treenaks: is that what mailbox_command should take care of?
[09:22] <Treenaks> dle: no, that's just for a global configuration (isntead of .forward)
[09:22] <Treenaks> dle: just look on postfix.org on how to set up postfix..
[09:22] <JB80> kind of dissapointing, ive done everything short of rm -rf /* and just cant seem to hose it
[09:22] <dle> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"  Boing.
[09:22] <Treenaks> JB80: which is a good thing, right
[09:22] <dle> it was commented
[09:22] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Do either of you use webmin?
[09:23] <Treenaks> dle: yes.. also, are you sure mail is coming through postfix?
[09:23] <Treenaks> dle: it's not by default
[09:23] <ogra> Tyche: nope
[09:23] <Treenaks> Tyche: no, hard-core command line, dude ;)
[09:23] <JStrike> And is hoary running Gnome 2.9.1 or 2.8.x ?
[09:23] <JB80> i guess, i like to break whatever system im on a couple times and put it back together
[09:23] <dle> Treenaks: I bring it in w/ fetchmail.
[09:23] <Gwildor_> jstrike, cant tell ya, winows at work atm, sorry
[09:24] <Treenaks> dle: ah ok.. then it should be going through postfix
[09:24] <lupus_> JStrike, 2.9.1
[09:24] <dle> Treenaks: that's what I thought. :)
[09:24] <d0gmaz> lupus_, sure?
[09:24] <d0gmaz> gnome-about
[09:24] <lupus_> parts of it
[09:24] <Tyche> Ogra & Treenaks: Well I'm sorta in between...I need something to help me configure!
[09:24] <lupus_> gnome-applet = 2.9.1
[09:24] <lupus_> evolution 2.1
[09:25] <lupus_> etc
[09:25] <seb128> hoary has all the GNOME 2.9.1 released
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: just look in /etc/apache2
[09:25] <seb128> gnome-about 2.9.1 has not been released
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: the files are well-commented
[09:25] <seb128> gnome-desktop rather
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: and /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/ (install the 'apache2-doc' package)
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: and httpd.apache.org
[09:25] <ogra> Tyche: webmin is a pain on ubuntu..... because of sudo......the concepts dont go well together
[09:25] <JB80> do ditch sudo
[09:25] <JB80> so even
[09:26] <ogra> Tyche: Treenaks is right
[09:26] <Treenaks> JB80: no, there's a good reason to keep it
[09:26] <Treenaks> JB80: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:26] <JB80> you like gettin rooted?
[09:27] <Treenaks> JB80: read the page, people have explained this hundreds of times
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: we got a bot....look
[09:27] <Treenaks> JB80: having a root password is not really "more secure" than not having one
[09:27] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[09:27] <bonobo> usage of sudo in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:27] <stvn> JB80: no, hance no root here :P
[09:27] <Treenaks> ogra: I know, I got ops in it ;)
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: ah great!!
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: me too....
[09:28] <JB80> ive read it, many years of working with production servers cannot be changed by one page praising sudo
[09:28] <d0gmaz> whats the best ftp server for linux?
[09:28] <stvn> ogra: is there a list with commands somewhere, which I can view unintrusivly?
[09:28] <Treenaks> JB80: I've run many production servers as well, using su and sudo
[09:28] <stvn> ^bot
[09:28] <Treenaks> JB80: I'm really inclined to sudo really.. especially if you have more than one sysadmin
[09:28] <ogra> stvn: i only got a url to the docu....
[09:28] <stvn> ogra: that's fine
[09:28] <JB80> i prefer rsa keys if you have more than one admin
[09:29] <stvn> ogra: oh wait, that's prolly general docu, right?
[09:29] <ogra> http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Utilities.html#re
[09:29] <ogra> stvn
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: rsa keys do no t log commands
[09:29] <ogra> stvn: nothing more
[09:29] <Treenaks> JB80: yes, RSA keys for logging in as a user, then sudo for the audit trial of who runs which programs as root
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> so tracking down errors is more difficult
[09:29] <JB80> yeah its called .bash_history
[09:30] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: thats called incomplete and overwriteen when other users log out
[09:30] <Treenaks> JB80: which doesn't have timestamps
[09:30] <JB80> no but the main server logs which server you logged into and when
[09:31] <{Fah-Q}> but if logging in as root and having unaudited changes makes you feel better, rock on
[09:31] <Treenaks> JB80: yes.. but sometimes timing _is_ important
[09:31] <boebeer> how do i close the X server....
[09:31] <Gwildor_> ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:31] <Treenaks> JB80: (bad coordination, 2 roots logged in at the same time.. that's most often the cause of trouble in places I've worked)
[09:31] <{Fah-Q}> boebeer: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:31] <boebeer> thats restart...
[09:31] <stvn> boebeer: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:32] <JB80> bottom line is i can break a regular user account much quicker than root and if that user has sudo priviledges youre owned
[09:32] <boebeer> lets try
[09:32] <Gwildor_> boebeer, hmm, maybe my comps mest, have to restart on my own when I do that
[09:32] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: thtat really depends.
[09:32] <stvn> JBBthere's no difference in password encryption between root passwords and others
[09:32] <JB80> stvn: im aware of that
[09:33] <{Fah-Q}> besides, most breakins dont involve brute forcing the password
[09:33] <{Fah-Q}> they invove stack smashing and privledge escalatioin
[09:33] <Treenaks> JB80: you can't sudo without a password. if you allow _only_ RSA logins to the server, you'll need an RSA key AND a password
[09:33] <JB80> no usually crap code, maybe owned by a user with too many priviledges? do you run a web site as the root user?
[09:34] <Treenaks> JB80: make sure your roots know they should use different passwords for SSH keys and sudo access and you're more secure (no one root password to guess, but muiltiple)
[09:34] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: you more or less have to start apache as root, or setup a proxy
[09:35] <JB80> not trying to be argumentative, im just not sold on handing over my box to sudo
[09:35] <stvn> ogra: TBH it would be nice to get a list of available commands, otherwise it's kinda hard to use the bot ;)
[09:35] <JB80> no apache runs as nobody if properly configured
[09:35] <Treenaks> JB80: different views then.. I wouldn't let you near my servers ;)
[09:35] <ogra> JB80: nope, apache runs as www-data
[09:35] <{Fah-Q}> the parent process is running as root
[09:35] <{Fah-Q}> and running it as nobody isnt advicsed eiether
[09:36] <JB80> only if you let debian/ubuntu go with their default install
[09:36] <Treenaks> JB80: which is usually a good choice
[09:37] <ogra> Treenaks  :)
[09:37] <Tyche> Treenaks: what is httpd.apache.org? I have typed that in the search in synaptic
[09:37] <dario> hi everybody
[09:37] <Treenaks> Tyche: type that in your web browser
[09:37] <Treenaks> Tyche: install apache2-doc using synapic
[09:38] <JB80> agreed different views...thank god i didnt get my security training from the ubuntu site
[09:38] <dario> I'm a newbye, I have just installed ubuntu, but I didn't understand how to access my systen as root, help me. please?
[09:39] <Tyche> Treenaks: Gotcha, thanks.
[09:39] <hays_> dario: sudo command
[09:39] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[09:39] <bonobo> usage of sudo in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:40] <ogra> dario: see the url
[09:40] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Any other web server apps that will make a nice install?
[09:40] <Treenaks> Tyche: uh.. whatever you need
[09:40] <ogra> Tyche: depends what you want
[09:40] <stvn> hm it is more useful if the bot also puts the name to which it is intended
[09:40] <ogra> stvn: so learn programming it.... :)
[09:41] <stvn> lol
[09:41] <ogra> hehe
[09:41] <d0gmaz> what to do about a crashing XMMS?
[09:41] <ilmari> can't canonical affort proper certificates for their site?
[09:41] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: mostly a learning server. going to install web server apps and maybe a mail server...simple with synaptic for that also? i was going to use qmail?
[09:41] <ogra> d0gmaz: use another player ?
[09:41] <stvn> ogra: I prefer not to ruin this channel with my br0ken code ;)
[09:41] <Treenaks> Tyche: postfix is installed by default
[09:41] <d0gmaz> ogra, nah too easy
[09:41] <ogra> stvn: you can test it in msg mode
[09:41] <Treenaks> Tyche: try to learn that (www.postfix.org)
[09:42] <ogra> d0gmaz: got a nvidia card ? they cause trouble with xmms i heard
[09:42] <Tyche> treenaks: Okay, thank you again for all your help...many thanks to you also Ogra. I'm really liking Ubuntu and working to get the most out of it.
[09:42] <d0gmaz> ogra, yes
[09:43] <{Fah-Q}> ogra: i have no issues with xmms & nvidia
[09:43] <ogra> Tyche: youre welcome..... ask again :)
[09:43] <StarScream> hey guys, when i connect to the internet it using pppd, i need a way to get my route automagically configured
[09:43] <Tyche> Ogra: Just afraid of asking stupid crap,.
[09:43] <StarScream> as it is i have to type route add default gw <dynamic ip>
[09:43] <ogra> Tyche: only wrong answers are stupid :)
[09:44] <StarScream> which is ok for me, but not for other people that use my machine
[09:44] <Friczy> StarScream: is defaultroute in your ppp options file?
[09:44] <{Fah-Q}> StarScreem: check out pppd's defaultroute feature
[09:44] <cenerentola> mako
[09:44] <dario> ok, thanks, we'll see later...
[09:44] <will_> nautilus seems to crash a lot in hoary
[09:45] <dario> is there in base system a cd-burning app?
[09:45] <ogra> dario: nautilus
[09:45] <JB80> dario: nautilus
[09:45] <ogra> he
[09:45] <ogra> lol
[09:45] <JB80> lol
[09:45] <StarScream> Friczy, can that be done dynamically? i.e if the ip isn't the same all the time
[09:45] <dario> nautilus?
[09:45] <Friczy> StarScream: yes
[09:46] <JB80> the filemanager in gnome
[09:46] <{Fah-Q}> StarScreem: tahts the whole point of defaultroute
[09:46] <{Fah-Q}> :)
[09:46] <Tyche> Treenaks: I have heard that Qmail is very secure and hard to install... I plan on reading and using postfix...I'm assuming it is secure. I have heard bad things about sendmail.
[09:46] <Friczy> StarScream: just write defaultroute in your ppp options file (I don't know the exact location in ubuntu :( )
[09:46] <kent> Do mplayer or totem support playing ogm-files with subtitles? Im trying to watch a film here, but totem wont play it, and mplayer dont show the subtitles :(
[09:46] <Treenaks> Tyche: qmail also has licensing issues.. postfix is pretty secure itself
[09:46] <StarScream> Friczy, thanks
[09:46] <dario> and what's about video editing-encoding-decoding?
[09:46] <ogra> {Fah-Q}: the nvidia binary drivers forced to install libmikmod to run xmms... i just searched for the bug, but seems gone....was a thread on the mailing list
[09:47] <ogra> dario: try kino
[09:47] <Tyche> Treenaks: Well there is a lot for me to do. Off I go!
[09:47] <will_> kent: get vlc
[09:47] <dario> ora : but is it in teh first installation? now I'm using a debian sarge, not ubuntu
[09:48] <kent> will_, whats vlc?
[09:48] <Tyche> Treenaks: LOL, I'm back. postfix-mysql, need it right now?
[09:48] <will_> video lan
[09:48] <will_> its in the repositories
[09:48] <{Fah-Q}> ogra: ws this an issue with ubuntu or nvidia & xmms in general??
[09:48] <{Fah-Q}> just curious
[09:48] <Treenaks> Tyche: just stay with postfix and postfix-doc
[09:48] <Treenaks> Tyche: you'll only need postfix-mysql if you want postfix to read stuff from mysql instead of just from files
[09:48] <ogra> {Fah-Q}: dunno, i just followed the ML thread.... and some ppl had probs there
[09:49] <d0gmaz> ogra, nvidia and xmms in general i had it with other distro's but got it fixed i only dont remember how
[09:49] <kent> will_, installing it now. Hopefully it works.
[09:49] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, there is a way to obtain the repository of packages?
[09:49] <ogra> d0gmaz: probably you should take xmms for the 21th cent. and install beep-media-player (gtk2 version of xmms)
[09:50] <d0gmaz> ogra, hmm maybe
[09:50] <ogra> d0gmaz: big font advantage :)
[09:50] <d0gmaz> ogra, but i liked the xmms x-chat script so much :)
[09:51] <trans_err> some of my fonts are refusing to work- they complain that they lack a fonts.dir -- how can I fix this?
[09:51] <ogra> d0gmaz: whats the error with it ?
[09:51] <d0gmaz> nothing it just hangs
[09:51] <kent> will_, it worked, thanks
[09:52] <will_> kent: its very good and uses its own built in codecs, run it with wxvlc
[09:52] <plovs> ogra, nice app you made, and that in two days from scratch, well done
[09:52] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you start it in a term ?
[09:52] <will_> plovs: what app is it?
[09:52] <ogra> plovs: thanks.... i'm just looking at the patches i got....
[09:53] <plovs> will_, a small utility to say which kernel you want to boot first, in python
[09:53] <d0gmaz> ogra, same problem
[09:53] <ogra> will_: got no website yet....but a screenshot is there: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[09:53] <ogra> d0gmaz: no errors ?
[09:53] <d0gmaz> no
[09:53] <will_> humm
[09:53] <ogra> weird
[09:53] <d0gmaz> ogra, no popups no error in the terminal
[09:54] <d0gmaz> ogra, i think it has something todo with OSS and ALSA things
[09:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: use the esd output plugin
[09:55] <d0gmaz> esd?
[09:55] <d0gmaz> eSOUNd?
[09:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep
[09:55] <d0gmaz> ogra,  failed to open audio output
[09:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: argh...youre on hoary ?
[09:56] <d0gmaz> ogra, yes i am
[09:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: does: ps ax|grep esd  say anything ?
[09:56] <ogra> bonobo: stvn
[09:56] <bonobo> : stvn is the master of the bot
[09:57] <ogra> hehe
[09:57] <d0gmaz> ogra, 4538 ?  S  0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[09:57] <stvn> bonobo: stvn ogra
[09:57] <bonobo> ogra: stvn is the master of the bot
[09:57] <stvn> that's the way to do it :P
[09:58] <stvn> i've upgraded nvidia and sudo
[09:58] <stvn> mplayer
[09:58] <ogra> stvn: hmm it should also tell that its a bot.....
[09:59] <will_> any one had problems with locales and error messages in hoary?
[09:59] <mg> will_: yes, just submitting a bug report now for subversion
[09:59] <ogra> will_: they will get worse.....
[10:00] <ogra> will_: splitting out the language packs wil be a big change to come next in hoary
[10:00] <stvn> ogra: true, only need to figure out a nice way
[10:00] <will_> in synaptic i get an error on startup!
[10:01] <stvn> add bonobo: echo "Sorry I'm just a bot"
[10:01] <mg> will_: en_GB.UTF-8 here. synaptic is ok.
[10:01] <will_> thats what i tried, but no luck!
[10:01] <Treenaks> bonobo: test
[10:01] <bonobo> Treenaks: Error: 'test' is not a valid command.
[10:01] <will_> mg: do you have any other locales set up, but not used?
[10:01] <acecase> hello
[10:01] <stvn> bonobo:
[10:01] <mg> will_: that is the only one i have
[10:01] <boldii> hi
[10:02] <stvn> oh, stupid me, sorry
[10:02] <mg> will_: if i add iso-8859-1 with utf-8 as the default then it works ok.
[10:02] <acecase> how do you set the brightness for you're consol? i disabled gdm on startup and when I get the consol login prompt its to dark to see
[10:02] <ogra> stvn: suppressing errors would be great.......
[10:02] <will_> mg: but you actively use UTF-8?
[10:02] <stvn> yeah, thinking of it
[10:02] <boldii> I just wanted hoary and now it sticks at Configuring bash (3.0-9ubuntu1) ... for 10 minutes now ...
[10:02] <stvn> ogra: but prolly need to talk to wfx about it
[10:03] <ogra> bonobo: hoary Treenaks
[10:03] <bonobo> the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[10:03] <mg> will_: sometimes, yes. for web apps for instance. also, some uk symbols do not fit in the ansi set.
[10:03] <will_> okay gotta restart x brb
[10:04] <d0gmaz> ogra, i fixed it dunno how but i reinstalled removed some codecs and now it works
[10:04] <ogra> great !
[10:05] <ogra> self solving buds are the best ;)
[10:05] <d0gmaz> yea :P but would liked to know how :P
[10:05] <ogra> bugs
[10:05] <acecase> consol isn't the correct term for it, is it? what i meen is the command line interface you get (bash prompt) without X
 ogra, i fixed it dunno how but i reinstalled removed some codecs and now it works
[10:05] <d0gmaz> hehe
[10:06] <jono_> anyone here fancy writing a hack for O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks about getting DVD support working in Linux?
[10:06] <Tyche> ogra & treenaks: I have installed apache/mysql/php through synaptic and reading through documentation a little and looking at conf file...and do not see where the /docroot is. I deleted the apache files from the /var/www and when I hit local host I still get the apache test screen. Suggestions?
[10:07] <acecase> jono_, DVD support is "just there" in most distros now
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: read the apache docs again :)
[10:07] <boldii> can nobody help?
[10:07] <floppy_za> ff
[10:07] <jono_> acecase, really?
[10:07] <acecase> the only time I have ever had to do anything to get dvd support is when I use gentoo or LFS
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: there are sites-enabled and sites-available
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: look there
[10:07] <jono_> there is no support in ubuntu from what I can tell
[10:08] <Treenaks> bonobo: dvd jono_
[10:08] <bonobo> to view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <acecase> jono_, well i prolly shouldn't say that since i haven't used allot of distros but yeah, redhat, debian, ubuntu, mandrake all support dvd playback by default
[10:08] <stockholm> any ubuntu developers with some python postinst karma here?
[10:09] <jono_> is there support in ubuntu?
[10:09] <jono_> I had problems playing a DVD when I first installed warty
[10:09] <Treenaks> jono_: yes, just read that page
[10:09] <hays_> jono_: he posted a link for you to read
[10:09] <Treenaks> jono_: it explains how to enable DVD support
[10:09] <ogra> acecase: not by default...read the url from bonobo
[10:09] <acecase> i don't like ubuntu's vid player so i installed mplayer :) mplayer plays em :)
[10:09] <jono_> oh I se
[10:09] <jono_> see
[10:09] <acecase> ogra, ic sorry
[10:10] <JStrike> jono_ : Fluendo are writing a dvd player for linux that will solve your prolblems
[10:10] <calc> GeosB: huh?
[10:10] <ogra> acecase: its a sad situation....supportwise.....one of the gratest FAQs in here
[10:10] <jono_> JStrike, really? cool :)
[10:10] <acecase> what i ment was that "linux" doesn't need any configuration behond default for most distros. you "may" need to install mplayer if it isn't by default
[10:10] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, there is a way to obtain the repository of packages?
[10:10] <JStrike> It should be the first one other than LinDVD(Which isn't available to the public)
[10:11] <acecase> or xine or whatever you like
[10:11] <jono_> ok next question, anyone here locked down kde/gnome as a kiosk? I need a hack for that too
[10:11] <ogra> acecase: jep ;)
[10:11] <d0gmaz> when is hoary as a new version?
[10:11] <ogra> d0gmaz: april
[10:12] <ogra> d0gmaz: far beyound what you see now i would guess
[10:12] <Tyche> Treenaks: how about a way to make nautilus only operate in one window instead of opening a new one each time?
[10:12] <ogra> Tyche: middlemouse
[10:12] <stockholm> daniels: ?
[10:12] <Treenaks> Tyche: look in the configuration-editor
[10:12] <daniels> stockholm: what
[10:13] <daniels> sorry
[10:13] <d0gmaz> ogra, its the best preconfigured linux setup ive ever seen everything just works
[10:13] <acecase> anyone else here use DVB/VDR?
[10:13] <daniels> stockholm: what's up?
[10:13] <d0gmaz> how can i see the PID of an application running?
[10:13] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep.... and it will get better, as ubuntu got the _best_ developers....or not daniels ?
[10:13] <stockholm> daniels: can you point me to a python postinst/config pair that does /etc/ configfile creation/rewriting in python?
[10:13] <acecase> top
[10:13] <will_> stockholm: you from stockholm?
[10:14] <stockholm> will_: sdertlje.
[10:14] <acecase> d0gmaz, top :) sorry
[10:14] <will_> stockholm:rsta
[10:14] <dario> d0gmaz : use top, or ps aux | grep 'application-name'
[10:14] <daniels> stockholm: not now
[10:14] <jrydberg_> so why call yourself Stockholm if you're not from Stockholm?
[10:14] <stockholm> daniels: dont you guys do that?
[10:14] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, how can I install other ubuntu application?
[10:14] <jrydberg_> That would be like me calling myself Sodertalje.
[10:14] <d0gmaz> thanks acecase and dario
[10:15] <ogra> stockholm: postinst is mostly shell....
[10:15] <stockholm> daniels: who would know?
[10:15] <daniels> stockholm: i don't know, ask someone else
[10:15] <daniels> stockholm: i'm very busy atm
[10:15] <Tyche> treenaks: everytime I talk in here I find out more and more and have to learn more and more of the tricks! =)
[10:15] <will_> anyone got some python speed problems with hoary?
[10:15] <Treenaks> Tyche: cool huh? :)
[10:16] <mg> will_: no
[10:16] <acecase> wanna here something funny? lol where is grub.conf? :) ubuntu has a more advanced boot config system and I'm kinda lost
[10:16] <stockholm> mdz: ?
[10:16] <ogra> stockholm: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.en.html
[10:16] <mdz> stockholm: ?
[10:16] <Zindar> acecase: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:16] <stockholm> mdz: can you point me to a python postinst/config pair that does /etc/ configfile creation/rewriting in python?
[10:17] <acecase> Zindar, thanks
[10:17] <stockholm> ogra: what about that?
[10:17] <mdz> stockholm: no, I use ucf in that case
[10:17] <ogra> stockholm: packaging guide....
[10:18] <dario> please, give me a hint : I haven't adsl at home, I installed the base from ubunu cd; there is a way to install other applications?
[10:18] <ogra> mdz: thought you prepare your (deserved) holiday
[10:18] <mdz> ogra: tomorrow
[10:18] <ogra> ;)
[10:18] <stockholm> mdz: who would do somethng like that? i figured that one of you guys would be most likely
[10:18] <ogra> ejoy
[10:18] <ogra> +n
[10:18] <mdz> thanks
[10:18] <stockholm> ogra: yes, and?
[10:18] <stockholm> ogra: i know how packaging works.
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: thought it could help you sorry if not
[10:19] <mdz> stockholm: which piece are you looking for?  a parser for a certain type of file?
[10:19] <stockholm> ogra: and postinsts can be more then just shell
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: i said its mostly....
[10:19] <GFXstyLER> hi
[10:19] <stockholm> mdz: preferably for python config files
[10:19] <stockholm> ogra: yes, you did, thanks
[10:19] <mdz> stockholm: ConfigParser stuff?
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: smalles compatibility layer
[10:19] <joh_> how does the pressed Ubuntu CDs look like?
[10:19] <mdz> joh_: pretty :-)
[10:20] <ogra> hehe
[10:20] <GFXstyLER> lol
[10:20] <joh_> :)
[10:20] <joh_> is there a picture?
[10:20] <GFXstyLER> how long does it take until the cds are here?
[10:20] <stockholm> mdz: i does need to handle things like *writing* the changed config file out again, and needs to catch import directives.
[10:21] <bash> the server is down ?
[10:21] <acecase> i don't see any boot param that will effect the consol brightness. I've never had this problem, didn't even know you could control the brighness of the consol
[10:22] <stockholm> ogra: you are from germany?
[10:22] <lml> I am trying to make 2 bt878 tvcards work in my Ubuntu machine and is having trouble with the /dev/dsp? devices.
[10:22] <ogra> stockholm: yep....
[10:22] <ogra> stockholm: oh, i see....
[10:23] <lml> I did a barebone install of Ubuntu and before I did a dist-upgrade on the installation I had /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 but after the dist-upgrade they disappeared.
[10:23] <stockholm> lml: why did you upgrade?
[10:23] <stockholm> lml: was the system not up-to-date enought? (c:
[10:23] <ogra> lml: and what ?
[10:24] <stockholm> we have the same problems in debian-edu... (c:
[10:24] <lml> stockholm: because the install was one of the pre-releases so I wanted to get the to the latest.
[10:24] <stockholm> people *love* to upgrade
[10:24] <stockholm> ah
[10:24] <ogra> hehe
[10:24] <Treenaks> stockholm: hence, those people run experimental
[10:24] <lml> ogra: what what ;-) ?
[10:24] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: so you guys probably use terminal most of the time and not any nautilus use.
[10:25] <stockholm> lml: i would think thers is no upgrade path from a pre-release
[10:25] <ogra> lml: i meant what did you upgrade...you answerde already... i am slow today
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: sometimes a bit of nautilus.. it's nice when copying large parts of  directory trees (i.e. music files :)) from one place to another
[10:26] <ogra> stockholm: lml. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[10:26] <Tyche> Treenaks: What is the best way to view the documentation then in /usr/shar/doc/apache2-doc?
[10:27] <ogra> argh....sorry http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[10:27] <Treenaks> Tyche: less or zless, or if it's html, your web browser
[10:27] <wfx> back from work ;-)
[10:27] <boldii> I just wanted hoary and now it sticks at Configuring bash (3.0-9ubuntu1) ... for 20 minutes now ...
[10:27] <ogra> wfx !
[10:27] <boldii> any things I could do to check what is happening here?
[10:27] <lml> A bonus question while I read the upgrade notes - can any of you reach the www.spreadfirefox.com site?
[10:28] <wfx> hi ogra :-)
[10:28] <acecase> lol what is it called? im callin it a consol and I'm not getting any results from google.
[10:28] <ogra> hi; bonobo is doing great... stvn examines all commands
[10:28] <ogra> bonobo: sex
[10:28] <bonobo> im in love with ubuntu
[10:28] <ogra> hehe
[10:28] <wfx> yes :-)
[10:28] <Tomcat_> lml: No doesn't work.
[10:29] <epod> lml, no luck here
[10:29] <ogra> lml: nope
[10:29] <lml> Strange that such a high profile site is unavailable - has been for some hours now.
[10:30] <__randy__> Does anyone know of a way to completely automate a ubuntu install (other than pressing enter when cd starts)
[10:31] <acecase> __randy__, it would be nice to pass something like a -y switch to boot and have it just assume all defaults wouldn't it
[10:31] <__randy__> acecase,  I'm looking for somethign like kickstart to use in a computer lab
[10:32] <mos__> acecase: but you still have to set a username and password
[10:32] <stvn> bonobo: test
[10:32] <bonobo> stvn: Error: 'test' is not a valid command.
[10:32] <stvn> wfx: ^those I mean
[10:32] <acecase> mos__, no it could setup an internet connection and use username:user pass:pass and even setup ssh for yah lmbo :) j/k
[10:32] <stvn> bonobo: stvn wfx
[10:32] <bonobo> wfx: stvn is the master of the bot
[10:33] <acecase> there would be thousands of ubuntu boxes out there with wide open ssh :)
[10:33] <epod> Can anyone direct me to instructions on how to make gnome look all incredibly nice (like, instructions for dummies kind of thing, I can never seem to get themes installed properly)
[10:34] <acecase> and with the whole sudo scheme they would have root access :/
[10:34] <ogra> acecase: nope, sudo access
[10:34] <acecase> or yeah :)
[10:34] <ogra> acecase: ....gets logged i.e.
[10:34] <acecase> what IS the difference. i never used sudo before. is it less than root?
[10:35] <ogra> bonobo: sudo acecase
[10:35] <bonobo> acecase: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:35] <ATJ_> you are root when you use sudo
[10:35] <ATJ_> try sudo bash
[10:35] <supos> hi ogra. And thanks a lot for the help with the scanner and scsi card. It works like a charm :)
[10:35] <ogra> ATJ_: in opposite to su every step gets logged.....
[10:36] <ogra> supos: happy scanning ;)
[10:36] <acecase> i gave my root a passwd :)
[10:36] <acecase> thats a nono with ubu ant it
[10:36] <ATJ_> ogra: ah ok :)
[10:37] <supos> ogra: I'll pass that on to my parents. After all it's their computer :)
[10:37] <corbob> if i have the options for a partition set to defaults,user how would i go about making it so that i can execute programs from it...
[10:37] <acecase> i like su sometimes though and didn't know you could do sudo su
[10:37] <ogra> acecase: its your system......so do it as you like, but sudo is a well thought out concept
[10:37] <corbob> acecase, sudo bash works too;)
[10:38] <epod> um, why did freeciv not magically appear in my games menu. grr!
[10:38] <acecase> corbob, cool it does :) thanks
[10:38] <ogra> acecase: and there is a "root shell" in the menu
[10:38] <corbob> that's what i use
[10:38] <corbob> ogra, but sometimes you're on ssh:P
[10:38] <corbob> or already have a terminal open
[10:38] <acecase> well i also had to give root a pass to get webmin to work
[10:39] <ogra> corbob: for me sudo is enough in this cases
[10:39] <ogra> acecase: yep, webmin is a pain in ubuntu.....
[10:39] <acecase> once i got use to using sudo i do like it though. very rarely need to issue more then one command as root
[10:39] <ogra> acecase: thats what i meant.....
[10:39] <ogra> :)
[10:39] <acecase> :)
[10:40] <ogra> btw, the sudo access stays for 10 mins or so....
[10:40] <ogra> without asking again
[10:40] <rsa> hi, i just installed ubuntu for the first time and i wondering how i update / install new package from internet ? does ubunto use debian commands like apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:40] <acecase> thats what is cool about an open system though :) you can make it whatever you like. if ubu was M$ we would have no choice but to sudo everything
[10:40] <ogra> rsa: yep....and synaptic
[10:40] <mos__> rsa with synaptic
[10:40] <rasher> rsa: it does, or you could use the synaptic package manager
[10:41] <rsa> okey thx
[10:41] <ogra> acecase yup
[10:42] <jono_> anyone use bogofilter here?
[10:42] <rsa> for exampel: apt-get -f -y install lynx ?
[10:42] <ogra> rsa: -f ?
[10:42] <acecase> i feal so stupid that i don't even know what the basic linux interface is called. i always called it a consol or just bash
[10:42] <ogra> rsa: something broken ?
[10:43] <rsa> hehe nope ;)
[10:43] <rsa> ogra: thx !
[10:43] <ogra> rsa: just: sudo apt-get install lynx
[10:43] <rsa> allrigt ;)
[10:43] <rsa> ops, i spell bad mate ;)
[10:43] <acecase> if you install a minimal linux system with no X what is that called?
[10:44] <ogra> rsa: dont worry, i'm german...wont even recognize hehe
[10:44] <corbob> is there acommand to open the cdrom drive...
[10:44] <ogra> rsa: some said
[10:44] <rsa> ogra: yeah hehe ;)
[10:44] <rasher> corbob: 'eject'
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, ho old iam
[10:44] <rasher> corbob: you may have to install it first
[10:44] <ogra> wfx:   :   :   :
[10:45] <wfx> no more error mesages
[10:45] <wfx> :-)
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: blah
[10:45] <ogra> ha
[10:45] <bo_> does somebody have an acer Laptop with ubuntu?
[10:45] <rasher> jono_: I do on Debian, what's up?
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: laptop bo_
[10:45] <bonobo> laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:45] <bo_> ogra, you?
[10:45] <acecase> isn't there a switch for mount that will eject?
[10:45] <ogra> nope....see the link
[10:45] <corbob> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[10:46] <acecase> man mount
[10:46] <stvn> ogra: oops skipped laptop
[10:46] <acecase> lol sorry
[10:46] <jono_> rasher, I need someone to write a hack about it for O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks, about 800 words
[10:46] <rasher> corbob: eject /media/cdrom0 etc
[10:46] <ogra> corbob: hoary or warty ?
[10:46] <corbob> hoary
[10:46] <ogra> oh
[10:46] <stvn> bonobo: blah
[10:46] <bonobo> blah yourself!
[10:46] <ogra> hehe
[10:47] <stvn> :D
[10:47] <wfx> :)
[10:47] <corbob> the eject button on the drive doesn't work, and it's not mounted
[10:47] <bo_> ogra, doesnt help me
[10:47] <stvn> bonobo: ls
[10:47] <bonobo> : this commands are available: add, artwork, ati, dvd, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, nvidia, remove, root, sex, stvn, sudo, synaptic, unlock, and wfx
[10:47] <jono_> rasher, yopu fancy writing it?
 does somebody have an acer Laptop with ubuntu?
[10:47] <rsa> ogra:
[10:47] <wfx> i preffer
[10:48] <wfx> bonobo, info
[10:48] <bonobo> : this commands are available: add, artwork, ati, dvd, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, nvidia, remove, root, sex, stvn, sudo, synaptic, unlock, and wfx
[10:48] <rsa> ogra: look at this ? root@ubuntu:/home/robert # sudo apt-get install gftp
[10:48] <rsa> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:48] <rsa> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:48] <rsa> E: Couldn't find package gftp
[10:48] <rsa> root@ubuntu:/home/robert #
[10:48] <wfx> rsa use pastepin
[10:48] <wfx> :-)
[10:48] <bo_> ic...
[10:48] <wfx> please and thx
[10:48] <rsa> np ;)
[10:48] <ogra> rsa: try this one: sudo apt-get update &&  sudo apt-get install gftp
[10:49] <rsa> ogra: thx, i'll try ...
[10:49] <ogra> bo_: so whats the prob ?
[10:49] <corbob> brb gonna try something
[10:50] <rasher> wfx: you're a bad person
[10:50] <wfx> rasher, oh, why?
[10:51] <rasher> wfx: surely most of the time you don't need an actual root shell
[10:51] <bo_> ogra, im searchin vor horicontal and vertikal sync
[10:51] <ogra> wfx: doin this bad to your system.....
[10:51] <rasher> also, the topic should probably have a link to the RootSudo wiki-page
[10:51] <bo_> no infos on the inet
[10:51] <ogra> wfx: sudo caresses it ....
[10:52] <wfx> oh stop i mean before i do sudo comand sudo comand.... i make sudo su and then comand!
[10:52] <d0gmaz> how can i show my desktop icons?
[10:52] <ogra> bo_: whats the model ?
[10:52] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4656
[10:52] <rasher> wfx: that's not how God Intended It
[10:52] <ogra> rasher: sabdfl is god ?
[10:53] <bo_> acer travelmate 613txc ogra
[10:53] <phin> what is the apt resorce for xcompmgr and transet?
[10:53] <rasher> wfx: but sure, if you're doing serious work, go ahead, but for installing a few packages, you should stop :)
[10:53] <rsa> ogra: sorry, i have one question left ;) all the mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list r checked, could it be this that are the problem with downloading packages ?
[10:53] <ogra> rsa: yep
[10:53] <rasher> ogra: not at all
[10:53] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic rsa
[10:53] <bonobo> rsa: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:53] <sabdfl> SOMEBODY CALLED?
[10:53] <rsa> ogra: okey ;) hehe thx
[10:54] <rsa> bonobo: thx ;)
[10:54] <ogra> sabdfl: <rasher> wfx: that's not how God Intended It <ogra> rasher: sabdfl is god ?
[10:54] <sabdfl> hardly
[10:54] <bo_> ogra, because of this:
[10:54] <ogra> sabdfl: hehe
 (II) I810(0): Clock range:  12.00 to 163.00 MHz
 (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)
 (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[10:54] <ogra> bo_: pleasde dont post here....see topic
[10:55] <bo_> but now i could increas the f/s... i'll leave it like that
[10:55] <wfx> rasher, im not a root junky ;-)
[10:55] <bo_> thx anyway
[10:55] <ogra> bo_: i am looking at it, wait
[10:55] <phin> anyone have the deb sources for xcompmgr and transet?
[10:55] <xukun> I wonder why this is I get this on both my ubuntu machines: sudo updatedb
[10:55] <xukun> Password:
[10:55] <xukun> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:55] <wfx> rsa, bonobo is a bot
[10:55] <wfx> :-)
[10:55] <d0gmaz> is there something like defragmentation on linux?
[10:56] <stvn> bonobo: sabdfl
[10:56] <bonobo> I, for one, welcome our new ubuntu overlord
[10:56] <ATJ_> linux filesystems wont "mess up" like, for example, fat
[10:56] <rsa> wfx: hehe, allright
[10:57] <sabdfl> thanks bonobo
[10:57] <xukun> anybody any Idea?
[10:57] <rasher> xukun: maybe the dir doesn't exist?
[10:57] <mos__> d0gmaz: nope theres no need for it the wat it writes to the disk. ntfs ans designded to be hard to recover data from thats why you have to defrag it
[10:58] <mos__> s/wat/way
[10:58] <wfx> xukun, i search for an answer...
[10:58] <d0gmaz> mos__, thanks
[10:59] <ogra> bo_: did you already try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[10:59] <bo_> no
[10:59] <rasher> mos__: was it really?
[10:59] <ogra> bo_: try it in the console
[10:59] <mos__> hmm?
[11:00] <rasher> mos__: "ntfs ans designded to be hard to recover data from"
[11:00] <wfx> xukun, cp /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db.tmp /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
[11:00] <ogra> bo_: answer the quetions and see if it works then
[11:00] <mos__> yeah it was
[11:00] <mos__> for "security" reasons
[11:00] <wfx> xukun, as root ;-)
[11:00] <ogra> wfx: psst...... sudo upadtedb
[11:00] <bo_> ogra, thx for ure work
[11:01] <rasher> mos__: could you back that up? In fact, it was designed with a journal of sorts, like ext3, to allow it to recover from crashes and such
[11:01] <Tyche> Treenaks: I'm not able to find apachectl, do you know the location of it? I would think it would be in the /etc/apache I even did a 'find / -name apachectl*'
[11:01] <rsa> ogra: is universe okey to download from ? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[11:01] <ogra> bo_: youre welcome :)
[11:01] <epod> Can anyone tell me where I would put all my .ttf's I saved from my previous windows installation to have them available to my gnome apps (openoffice, firefox, etc)?
[11:01] <ogra> rsa: yep
[11:01] <rsa> ogra: great
[11:01] <GoneBoB> epod: open location fonts:///
[11:01] <Tyche> Treenaks: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:01] <mos__> hmm i dunno if i can find any docs anymore
[11:01] <wfx> ogra, psst... i know but it have not work ;-)
[11:01] <Tyche> 0gra: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:02] <ogra> wfx: oh, i didnt follow....sorry
[11:02] <wfx> xukun, fixed?
[11:02] <ogra> stvn lol
[11:02] <epod> GoneBoB, ah ok.  Also, I installed msttfcorefonts, but Times New Roman isn't an option for firefox.. do I need to update something to make FF see it?
[11:02] <ogra> stvn: ndiswrapper is even better
[11:02] <rsa> ogra: thx, for your time mate ;) ... bye.
[11:02] <ogra> bye
[11:02] <ogra> :)
[11:03] <stvn> ogra: check the url in bonobo's multiverse command it's horrible :(
[11:03] <ogra> bonobo: multiverse
[11:03] <bonobo> : Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"
[11:03] <ogra> hehe
[11:03] <stvn> see
[11:03] <xukun> wfx: no /var/lib $ sudo slocate/
[11:03] <xukun> sudo: slocate/: command not found
[11:04] <xukun> wfx: I can see that the slocate dir is there
[11:04] <epod> Can anyone tell me why I have Times New Roman in fonts:/// but firefox doesn't have it as a font option...?
[11:04] <xukun> strange
[11:04] <stvn> ogra: any idea why the weird URL?
[11:04] <rasher> mos__: my googling indicates that you're either a) severely damaged by anti-ms fud (sure it exists)  or b) talking out of your ass
[11:04] <ogra> stvn: its not a wiki page....
[11:04] <stvn> hmz
[11:04] <ogra> stvn: faq urls are this way
[11:04] <wfx> xukun, hmm i have it, make the dirs
[11:05] <stvn> should add a wiki MultiversePackages, if only for a nice URL
[11:05] <xukun> wfx: what?
[11:05] <ogra> stvn: dunno if such redundancy is wanted
[11:05] <rasher> xukun: does /var/lib/slocate exist?
[11:05] <corbob> who told me to try eject?
[11:05] <wfx> xukun, make the missing directorys
[11:05] <rasher> corbob: me
[11:06] <ogra> corbob: NOT ME
[11:06] <ogra> oops
[11:06] <stvn> ogra: true, but universe does have it
[11:06] <corbob> rasher, it worked, i just had to do it as root
[11:06] <ogra> sorry for ....
[11:06] <rasher> corbob: oh, that's weird
[11:06] <wfx> xukun, slocate package is installed?
[11:06] <corbob> but it still spat out the same error
[11:06] <ogra> bonobo: universe
[11:06] <rasher> corbob: there must be some shortcut, you can eject things from nautilus
[11:07] <ogra> stvn: ?
[11:07] <stvn> ogra: i'm not /that/ fast ;)
[11:07] <ogra> hehe
[11:07] <corbob> actually it's wierd because it gave an error when i tried to eject the cd when it was mounted
[11:07] <ogra> sorry..... sometimes i am like a user hehe
[11:07] <wfx> we are all users
[11:07] <epod> Can anyone tell me why I have Times New Roman in fonts:/// but firefox doesn't have it as a font option...?
[11:07] <epod> I've done fc-cache update ...
[11:08] <GoneBoB> epod: restart firefox?
[11:08] <epod> GoneBoB, I have, several times
[11:08] <ogra> wfx: but some are less impatient because they know they get something better in the end ;)
[11:08] <ogra> wfx: like good wine :)
[11:09] <epod> I'll try restarting X I guess
[11:09] <phin> is there an apt source for trasset?
[11:09] <epod> brb
[11:09] <stvn> bonobo: universe ogra
[11:09] <bonobo> ogra: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[11:09] <GoneBoB> ogra: more patient would perhaps be better
[11:09] <bo_> ogra, hm... du you know if there is a final question at the end witch alows me to abort this tool? i cant answer all questions now
[11:09] <Tyche> ogra: I'm not able to find apachectl, do you know the location of it? I would think it would be in the /etc/apache I even did a 'find / -name apachectl*'
[11:09] <stvn> ogra compare it with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[11:09] <Tyche> ogra: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:09] <GoneBoB> bo_: hit reboot
[11:09] <GoneBoB> bo_: what are you installing?
[11:10] <ogra> bo_: the default answers are your current config, just press enter to the end
[11:10] <epod> GoneBoB, I restarted X.. still nothing
[11:10] <wfx> xukun, #2 slocate package is installed? (it makes the direcotry structure)
[11:10] <bo_> ic
[11:10] <xukun> rasher: yes /var/lib/slocate exist bur[n] er
[11:10] <bo_> GoneBoB, it's alright
[11:10] <epod> GoneBoB, OpenOffice sees all my fonts.
[11:10] <ogra> GoneBoB: that i meant....
[11:11] <xukun> wfx: Package: slocate
[11:11] <xukun> Status: install ok installed
[11:11] <bo_> GoneBoB, --> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:11] <wfx> hmmm? strange
[11:11] <xukun> wfx: very strange
[11:11] <stvn> w00t hoary doesn't do focus stealling anymore :D
[11:11] <xukun> I have no clue
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche /usr/sbin/apache2ctl
[11:12] <wfx> xukun, and a updatedb -U /var/lib/slocate does not work?
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche: but the right way is: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[11:12] <GoneBoB> bo_: ah
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[11:13] <ogra> Tyche: etc
[11:13] <stvn> artwork
[11:13] <stvn> ati
[11:13] <stvn> dvd
[11:13] <stvn> faq
[11:13] <stvn> flash
[11:13] <wfx> ?
[11:13] <stvn> woops
[11:13] <stvn> very sorry
[11:14] <ogra> xukun: try only: sudo updatedb
[11:14] <Tyche> ogra: bah, thanks.
[11:14] <wfx> ogra, but he have not db
[11:14] <xukun> ogra: sec
[11:15] <ogra> Tyche: you are right with your assumption.....it is the suse debian thing....
[11:15] <ogra> wfx: will be created afaik
[11:15] <Matt|> can someone try this url for me and see if it works: https://www.mypipex.net
[11:15] <Matt|> hi ogra
[11:15] <xukun> wfx: you are my herro, sudo updatedb -U /var/lib/slocate did the trick, thanks man
[11:15] <wfx> ogra, some post before she say no .... anyway maybe der dierctory now extist and it will work :-)
[11:16] <ogra> hi Matt| :)
[11:16] <epod> Can someone help me out with Rhythmbox crashing when I try and play streaming audio?
[11:16] <wfx> :)
[11:16] <supos> Matt|: works for me
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: seems to work
[11:16] <Matt|> supos, stvn, thanks. Not working from here. Are you guys on hoary?
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: https://www.mypipex.net/solo/session-login-form.php?au=/solo/index.php&0
[11:16] <Tyche> ogra: just something I will have to get used too, why is it in /usr/sbin? instead of something closely related like /etc/apache2?
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: yep
[11:17] <wfx> xukun, no prob it was one of the first entry in "man updatedb" ;-)
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, i was wondering whether the new firefox build had problems with https
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, you've updated today?
[11:17] <stvn> Matt|: ah, dunno epiphany here
[11:17] <xukun> wfx: I see
[11:17] <ogra> Tyche: there is a strict diversion between binarys and config in debian.....
[11:17] <ogra> Tyche: except /etc/init.d/
[11:17] <stvn> i'll check with ff
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, thanks. I'll get epiphany and try it
[11:18] <ktulur> hello,  when I click on the gnome icon "show desktop" a new nautilus showing the desktop is opened, is this a default behaviour or do i have something wrong?
[11:18] <xukun> wfx: its just that I,m reading tons of man pages every night
[11:18] <ogra> Tyche: so there cant be a /etc/apache/apachectl :)
[11:18] <Matt|> ktulur, that is the wrong icon ;) they look similar
[11:18] <wfx> xukun, no problem ask, and anyone how can will answer
[11:18] <stvn> Matt|: ff works here as well
[11:18] <ogra> Tyche: suse has other policies....
[11:18] <ktulur> Matt| : :-S What?
[11:18] <stvn> Matt|: 1.02ubuntu that is
[11:19] <Tyche> ogra: so config in /etc and /binarys in /usr?
[11:19] <xukun> n8 guys
[11:19] <ogra> Tyche: yep
[11:19] <ogra> nacht
[11:19] <xukun> and girls!
[11:19] <Matt|> ktulur, trying adding another "show desktop" applet. The icons looks very similar to the "desktop" applet, which simply opens nautilus
[11:19] <Matt|> stvn, ok thanks damn
[11:19] <ktulur> ah ok :O
[11:19] <Matt|> stvn, wonder why I can't see it
[11:19] <Matt|> wfx, stop boasting :p
[11:20] <stvn> Matt|: you tried the url I gave? could be a redirect problem
[11:20] <Matt|> stvn, no can't open it. It is a bit weird. A few minutes ago I could get on it but couldn't access certain features
[11:21] <Matt|> stvn, now I can't see it at all
[11:21] <ogra> Tyche: oh, actually no, binarys in /bin /sbin /usr/bin
[11:22] <wfx> Matt|, its more boast then boasting ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> Tyche: and /usr/games indeed ;)
[11:22] <guptan> Hi
[11:22] <ktulur> Matt| i did it :D sorry for the stupid question
[11:23] <guptan> is there any torrents client with GUI for ubuntu?
[11:23] <wfx> guptan, yes give one sec.
[11:23] <Matt|> ktulur, not at all. it is not stupid
[11:23] <Matt|> guptan, pretty sure there is yeah
[11:24] <Matt|> bittornado-gui - Bittorrent client with enhanced GUI interface
[11:24] <Matt|> bittorrent-gui - Scatter-gather network file transfer (GUI files)
[11:24] <guptan> aah
[11:24] <Matt|> guptan, either of those
[11:24] <Matt|> i'm off again
[11:25] <Matt|> laters guys
[11:25] <wfx> guptan, bittornado-gui
[11:25] <guptan> thanks wfx
[11:26] <Tyche> ogra: alright one last question and I will be so happy. Lots of progress today for me on this. When I goto the webserver, it asks me to save the php files...I have it installed is there further config I should look at?
[11:26] <Ruffian|Q|> http://img31.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img31&image=000_1368.jpg
[11:26] <ogra> Tyche: did you restart apache after installing ?
[11:26] <Tyche> ogra: Yes
[11:27] <GoneBoB> Ruffian|Q|: that is one of the worst photos I have ever seen
[11:27] <mirak> hi
[11:27] <mirak> I got a problem
[11:27] <GoneBoB> can't you hold the camera straight? :)
[11:27] <GoneBoB> mirak: what is your problem
[11:27] <Ruffian|Q|> no
[11:27] <mirak> when I rip an audio CD I got empty WAV
[11:27] <mirak> good size
[11:27] <mirak> but no sound at all
[11:27] <GoneBoB> what CD
[11:28] <mirak> any
[11:28] <mirak> any audio CD
[11:28] <GoneBoB> hrm that's certainly odd
[11:28] <GoneBoB> have you successfully ripped before?
[11:28] <GoneBoB> on this driver
[11:28] <GoneBoB> *drive
[11:29] <ogra> Tyche: look in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf if the following lines are uncommented:
[11:29] <ogra> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[11:29] <ogra> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[11:29] <wfx> ogra, does php not work?
[11:29] <GoneBoB> Ruffian|Q|: http://hrdwrbob.net/gallery/randomhouse/desk
[11:29] <ogra> wfx: yep
[11:30] <Ruffian|Q|> GoneBoB, NICE!
[11:30] <wfx> ogra, a job for the root :-)
[11:30] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:30] <ogra> wfx: why ?
[11:31] <wfx> ogra, to configure it :-)
[11:31] <ogra> wfx: sudo is enough.....
[11:31] <ogra> :)
[11:31] <epod> Can anyone help me setup firefox 1.0 on Warty and still have mplayer-mozilla functional?
[11:32] <confrey> help me please, I have just installed ubuntu; I don't remember I have typed any root password; now I must use sudo to do something as root, but every time it asks me a root password; what have I to do now?
[11:32] <topyli> bonobo: root
[11:32] <bonobo> : The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:32] <stvn> confrey: type your user password
[11:32] <georgia> confrey: put your own password in
[11:32] <stvn> topyli: you can now use bonobo: <command> <nick> :)
[11:32] <lexi-> hey, still somebody here?
[11:33] <topyli> stvn: ah, that's handy. bonobo deserves the attention :)
[11:33] <stvn> :)
[11:33] <confrey> is it so simply? well, I'll try now, byem thanks
[11:33] <stvn> topyli: bonobo: ls
[11:33] <ktulur> today a friend installed ubuntu in his laptop but it does not use sudo ?, root instead, what can have been the reason?
[11:33] <ktulur> failure?
[11:33] <topyli> bonobo: ls
[11:33] <bonobo> topyli: add, artwork, ati, dvd, faq, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, multiverse, nvidia, remove, root, sabdfl, sex, sudo, synaptic, universe, unlock, and wfx
[11:33] <scoon> hey all
[11:34] <ktulur> mine uses sudo but i installed weeks ago
[11:34] <scoon> can someone tell me what version of aclocal they have
[11:34] <Tyche> ogra: they were not uncommented, I did uncomment them and restarted the server and I still get "you have chosen to open a file...and says it is a phtml file and wants to save it."
[11:34] <scoon> aclocal --version ?
[11:34] <GoneBoB> ktulur: aclocal (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[11:34] <GoneBoB> er
[11:34] <topyli> stvn: it should /msg the "help" and info messages though IMO
[11:34] <GoneBoB> not ktulut :)
[11:34] <GoneBoB> scoon: I am on hoary though
[11:34] <GoneBoB> ktulur: ubuntu has always used sudo
[11:35] <ogra> Tyche: hmm, probably wfx has an idea
[11:35] <stvn> topyli: the ls maybe yes, but other ones not, since users might get confused by the bot talking to them, but not responding to them/not see the /msg
[11:35] <ktulur> ok, but because of some reason his ubuntu is not using sudo...
[11:35] <topyli> stvn: agreed
[11:36] <scoon> GoneBoB: that's cool.  I get the same thing.  hmmmmm.  thanks
[11:36] <ktulur> i have seen it with my own eyes (i don't know if this has english sense)
[11:36] <GoneBoB> ktulur: what do you mean 'not using sudo'
[11:36] <Tyche> wfx: You know why my broswer would ask to save the php file?
[11:37] <ktulur> Well, if he wants root privileges, he has to use "su", "sudo -s" does not work...
[11:37] <lexi-> so, ok.. look here, i quite like it :) : http://f4ee.net/~alex/ubuntu_p.png
[11:37] <wfx> Tyche, i think php is not realy up and running
[11:37] <wfx> Tyche, i have apache2 and php (not with debian but it runs)
[11:37] <ktulur> that's the strange thing, root should not exist...
[11:38] <epod> where is firefox-bin on a default ubuntu install...?
[11:38] <Tyche> wfx: Yea, I just did the exact same thing on another machine and it worked...let me look at what I have installed again.
[11:38] <ogra> wfx: he has the same packages i have.... mine works
[11:38] <SteveK> Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console.
[11:39] <wfx> Tyche, pastepin it
[11:39] <topyli> ktulur: your friend is an old-timer, he has changed it first thing :)
[11:39] <wfx> ogra, i will do my best
[11:39] <GoneBoB> lexi-: that
[11:39] <crimsun> epod: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[11:39] <GoneBoB> 's not quite the same font
[11:39] <stvn> bonobo: ls
[11:39] <epod> crimsun, can I just install 1.0 there?
[11:39] <GoneBoB> ktulur: it's still exists
[11:39] <ogra> wfx: normally this should work...thats a bit weird
[11:39] <GoneBoB> ktulur: it's just that root has no password
[11:39] <lexi-> GoneBoB: i know, that's my intention
[11:39] <crimsun> epod: for warty or for hoary?
[11:39] <epod> crimsun, warty
[11:40] <crimsun> epod: better to put it in ~
[11:40] <lexi-> GoneBoB: it's a redesign
[11:40] <GoneBoB> ah
[11:40] <epod> crimsun, I ran the installer, it just ran 0.9.3.. it was weird.
[11:40] <GoneBoB> tbh I prefer the original font :) sorry
[11:40] <Tyche> wfx: I didn't do the libapache2-mod-php4 I just did the php4 on this machine...I htink that will fix the issue.
[11:41] <stvn> hmz
[11:41] <Tyche> Wfx: I guess that is the problem with having too many repositories....
[11:41] <wfx> Tyche, ok install the mod :-)
[11:42] <ogra> wfx: so the coffee helped ;)
[11:42] <corbob> is there any way to get rythmbox to say monitor a directory and when new files are added to it, import it into the library...
[11:42] <ktulur> ok i don't know the "old-timer" meaning but I'll tell him that he has made something and that not having sudo isn't the end of the world :)
[11:42] <lexi-> any other opinions on the logo?
[11:42] <wfx> Tyche, is it public, do you use dyndns, you want also vhost :-)
[11:42] <wfx> ogra, i need a fresh cup ;-)
[11:43] <epod> wtf, I installed firefox 1.0, in ~/firefox but when I run ~/firefox/firefox, it just runs 0.9.3!
[11:43] <topyli> ktulur: i just mean he's maybe used to being root :) anyway, sudo is easy to set up
[11:43] <Tyche> wfx: Is what public? what is dyndns and what is vhost?
[11:43] <ogra> Tyche....no need.....
[11:43] <wfx> ogra, i know geramny is the litle country very close to austria but my hand not long enought
[11:44] <ogra> lol
[11:44] <ktulur> ok topyli we'll search on google about sudo doc
[11:44] <stvn> bonobo: coffee wfx
[11:44] <bonobo> wfx recieves a steaming hot cup of coffee
[11:44] <ogra> wfx and i am not this near.......
[11:44] <topyli> ktulur: man sudoers and man sudo will do just fine
[11:44] <ogra> ah, helpful bot
[11:44] <ogra> bonobo: thanks
[11:45] <SteveK> Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console. Any ideas?
[11:45] <stvn> add thanks echo "no problem"
[11:45] <wfx> Tyche, ohh nice. with public i mean runs the server lan only or als wan, dyndns means this:
[11:45] <guptan> wfx, I got bittorrent-gui package but I got it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
[11:45] <wfx> Tyche, http://www.dyndns.org/
[11:45] <ogra> bonobo: thanks
[11:45] <bonobo> you're welcome
[11:45] <topyli> hehehe
[11:45] <stvn> heh
[11:46] <guptan> is it danger to install from debian?
[11:46] <wfx> Tyche, and vhost is something like this: http://anchor.ath.cx (my site ugly but my one:) http://teg.anchor.ath.cx/ runs also on my server
[11:46] <ogra> bonobo: laptop SteveK
[11:46] <bonobo> SteveK: laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:47] <stvn> guptan: not really
[11:47] <guptan> Stvn: the package I'm looking for is not in multiverse or ubuntu main
[11:47] <topyli> guptan: it's unsupported but if the package works it works. if not, it doesn't
[11:47] <ogra> guptan: what is it ?
[11:47] <wfx> guptan, hmm im not but you have it ;-)
[11:47] <stvn> guptan: oh you mean to install a package in ubuntu from debian - well you've to be careful
[11:47] <guptan> bittorrent-gui
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: it is somewhere in ubuntu, at elast it appeares in my list
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: but maybe it's hoary only
[11:48] <guptan> its just bittorrent only
[11:48] <topyli> guptan: just watch out for not dragging in dangerous libraries as dependencies
[11:48] <guptan> lemme enable hoary and try again
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: including universe and multiverse?
[11:48] <ogra> guptan: bittornado-gui is there
[11:48] <wfx> Tyche, ??? to mutch ??? :-)
[11:48] <guptan> stvn, yes
[11:48] <ogra> stvn: its not in warty
[11:49] <stvn> ah ok
[11:49] <wfx> guptan, do you also update?
[11:49] <stvn> disadvantage of running hoary :(
[11:49] <guptan> ogra, u mean its in universe multiverse
[11:49] <guptan> wfx, yeah I did
[11:49] <ogra> bonobo: hoary guptan
[11:49] <bonobo> guptan: the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[11:49] <SteveK> bonobo: that page has a fix for a sound problem on the i8200, but nothing (as far as I can tell) about the suspend issue.
[11:50] <ogra> guptan: bittornado-gui is available on my warty box
[11:50] <stvn> ls
[11:50] <SteveK> ogra: is there another channel for laptop support? apologies if I'm in the wrong place...
[11:50] <topyli> guptan: if you grab something from hoary, watch carefully or it will upgrade your whole system :)
[11:50] <guptan> okay guys lemme check again, in multiverse and universe
[11:50] <guptan> okz topyli
[11:50] <ogra> SteveK: no, you are right in this place,
[11:50] <wfx> SteveK, what pob you have
[11:51] <ogra> SteveK: but i dont know too much about suspend stuff, probably mjg59 is around and has the time....
[11:52] <SteveK> wfx: [lazy -- pasting earlier message]  Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console.
[11:53] <guptan> can I interfere again?
[11:53] <wfx> SteveK, fisrt im sorry i cant read all posts
[11:53] <phin> what is daniles apt resource so i can get xcompmgr
[11:54] <ogra> guptan ?
[11:54] <guptan> ogra, i have a multiverse and universe enable for warty
[11:54] <JStrike> oooohh. RedCarpet is available for debian
[11:54] <guptan> but still there is no bittorrent-gui, there is only bittorrent
[11:54] <ogra> bah
[11:54] <JStrike> I wonder if any ubuntu packages have been made?
[11:54] <topyli> guptan: how about bittornado-gui
[11:54] <ogra> guptan did you hit refresh ?
[11:55] <JStrike> guptan are you looking for a gui for bittorent?
[11:55] <ogra> oh, yes bittornado ....#
[11:55] <guptan> topyli, bittornado-gui is there
[11:55] <Tyche> wfx: Nope. =) I got php running, I uninstalled the php4 and reinstalled the libapache2-mod-php4
[11:55] <topyli> guptan: grab that and be done with it then ;)
[11:55] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:55] <Tyche> wfx: I also installed vhost
[11:55] <guptan> ok thanks
[11:56] <topyli> guptan: it's nice. you click a link and off it goes
[11:56] <guptan> thanks topyli
[11:56] <wfx> SteveK, i upload a guid in the hope there is some information you need for youre dell. please 10sec.
[11:57] <JStrike> Cant be that tough to recompile it for Ubuntu.
[11:57] <will> guptan use azureus
[11:57] <will> or btdownloadgui
[11:57] <JStrike> Wonder if jdub would be up to adding red-carpet repos for ubuntu
[11:57] <guptan> will, does azureus has linux client, i have its windoz client
[11:57] <rasher> guptan: it's Java, just run it
[11:57] <Tyche> wfx: Now I need to read more about dyndns
[11:58] <ogra> JStrike: what for ?
[11:58] <will> guptan: yes its in linux!
[11:58] <phin> so you can use red carpet with debian sources?
[11:58] <guptan> oh ok
[11:58] <phin> or just rpm?
[11:58] <will> guptan: get java of course, as rasher said
[11:58] <guptan> i've it already
[11:58] <will> guptan: install to /usr/local/azureus
[11:58] <topyli> Tyche: dyndns is ok when you need to ssh your box from around the world and you have a dynamic IP
[11:58] <JStrike> guptan : Use gnome-btdownload or Azureus if you need a moer featurefull client
[11:59] <guptan> ok
[11:59] <im_ka> hi
[11:59] <JStrike> ogra : So that red-carpet could be used
[11:59] <SteveK> wfx: gotta run to pick up the young'un.  Sorry -- appreciate the help, though.
[11:59] <wfx> SteveK, oh i dont need to upload take a look: http://www.stephanwehrheim.de/computer/dell8200+debian30/dell8200+debian30.html
[11:59] <wfx> :)
[12:00] <SteveK> Woah -- just as I was leaving...
[12:00] <SteveK> cool.


[06:14] <An-iSociaL> anyone working on tegra 2 kernels?
[07:47] <pk> Hi, I need to bisect the mainline kernel on Ubuntu, what would the best way be to go about this?
[07:52] <pk> Since I experienced the bug with the Ubuntu kernel I guess I should use the same config, is this oneiric-kernel/debian.master/config/amd64/config.flavour.generic for amd64 desktop systems?
[08:42] <ppisati> morning *
[09:48] <ehw> morning, all o/  can i get someone's opinion about this last comment? https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/9891
[09:48] <ehw> seems like they're saying our headers package is broken; wondering if that's a realistic assessment...
[09:53] <ehw> ^^ basically having the same issue on 3.0.0-14 from the kernel-ppa
[10:10] <jmux> Hi. What's the status of the Oneiric Ubuntu LTS backport kernel? The kernel PPA contains a kernel from September. Is there a release plan?
[11:01] <ehw> cking, apw can I get your opinion on that? ^^ (@9:48 UK time)
[11:04] <vanhoof> jmux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lts-backport-oneiric/ ?
[11:04] <apw> jmux, it is in -proposed awaiting release into -updates
[11:05] <apw> ehw, well the packages they have installed are mainline kernels, they are unsupported anyhow
[11:06] <ehw> apw: trying it out with 3.0.0-14 from the kernel-ppa, and having the same issue; is it a bug?
[11:07] <apw> trying what exactly ?
[11:08] <ehw> apw: when i build the vbox modules with 3.0.0-14, loading them gives the same traceback
[11:08] <ehw> apw: works fine on 3.0.0-13
[11:09] <ehw> apw: the relocation address for cleanup_module is indeed different between pci-stub.ko and the dkms-built modules, as the last comment on that bug states
[11:10] <apw> and are they the same on -13 ?
[11:11] <ehw> apw: apparently so (setting up repro environment still)
[11:11] <apw> and do you have the headers packages installed as well as the binary packages for -14
[11:11] <ehw> apw: yes, grabbed headers from the same build ppa
[11:13] <apw> ehw, it is unclear to me that i would expect the -r lines to match in those two
[11:13] <smb> If it worked before and not now I would somehow more expect that upstream changed and they need to get their things together
[11:13] <apw> ehw, it is listing the relocation table in the module which by definition does not have the knowledge of where the thing is meant to point, and indeed they are both 0
[11:18] <ehw> apw: my understanding isn't very deep; it looks suspicious, though: https://pastebin.canonical.com/56303/
[11:22] <apw> ehw, why does that look suspeicous
[11:23] <apw> do we have any idea what any of the numbers even mean ?
[11:25] <apw> great manual page "displays the relocation section"
[11:25] <apw> that so tells me what the numbers mean
[11:26] <apw> ehw, is this the only -14 kernel you have had ?
[11:27] <ehw> apw: yep, just grabbed it from the ppa on tuesday
[11:27] <ehw> (sorry so slow, got into a phone call)
[11:27] <apw> and you never had another 14
[11:28] <ehw> apw: i'm running this on a VM that I created to test this condition
[11:28] <ehw> apw: so, it's pretty clean
[11:28] <ehw> shouldn't be any stale headers or anything
[11:30]  * ppisati -> errand, back in a bit...
[11:31] <vanhoof> ehw: what version of virtualbox and where from?
[11:31] <apw> ehw, so -13 was ok and -14 is not is the contention yes ?
[11:31] <ehw> vanhoof: it's -4.1 from from upstream
[11:31] <apw> ehw, and you got  that -14 from the c-k-t PPA yes ?
[11:31] <ehw> apw: i know that -13 worked; I don't have a clean environment yet for testing that, but I'm working on it
[11:32] <vanhoof> ehw: built for lucid, or oneiric
[11:32] <vanhoof> ehw: eg: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.6/virtualbox-4.1_4.1.6-74713~Ubuntu~oneiric_amd64.deb ?
[11:32] <ehw> apw: i got it from this page:  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/2943294
[11:33] <apw> ehw, and what architecture is this
[11:33] <ehw> vanhoof: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lucid contrib non-free
[11:33] <ehw> apw: Linux lucid-test 3.0.0-14-generic-pae #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 22:07:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:35] <apw> ehw, is that a backports kernel or ?
[11:36] <apw> ehw, ie are you runing lucid or oneiric
[11:36] <ehw> apw: i'm running lucid
[11:36] <apw> but you are installing a kernel build in oneiric
[11:37] <apw> you need to use the lts backport build probabally
[11:37] <apw> as that is built using the compiler you have on your system
[11:37] <apw> that may make a different to dkms packages
[11:38] <apw> where did you get the -13 which does work
[11:38] <ehw> apw: ok, i can do that; then the issue here: i need a backports kernel with the cifs/suspend bug fixed [LP#24330] :-)
[11:38] <ehw> apw: the -13 was in -proposed, i think
[11:38] <apw> in proposed on lucid yes ?
[11:39] <apw> linux-lts-backport-oneiric | 3.0.0-13.22~lucid1 | lucid-proposed | source
[11:39] <apw> that one ?
[11:39] <ehw> apw: right, that's the one
[11:39]  * ehw was trying to find that
[11:39] <apw> as likely the compiler lucid -> oneiric is very different and may well be contributing to this issue
[11:40] <apw> it looks like the -14 hasn't been uploaded yet for oneiric probabally as the previous one has not yet cleared into -updates
[11:41] <herton> yes, I plan to submit a linux-lts-backport-oneiric for -14, but the previous one still didn't make to updates (bug 885468)
[11:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885468 in kernel-sru-workflow "linux-lts-backport-oneiric: 3.0.0-13.22~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885468
[11:41] <vanhoof> ehw: apw works for me
[11:41] <ehw> apw: any chance I can get/create a -14 test build for lucid? not sure how that works
[11:41] <apw> vanhoof, -14 works ?
[11:41] <apw> vanhoof, and works on what
[11:41]  * apw is very suspicious of compiler skew in this case
[11:41] <vanhoof> ah crap still on -13
[11:42] <ehw> apw: i like the theory
[11:44] <apw> ehw, as and when we have something to test it is vital you remeber you have to tell dkms to remove the existing build else you won't get new modules built and the test will be invalid
[11:45] <ehw> apw: noted, thanks; will purge, scrub, and bleach dkms
[11:45] <apw> which frankly isn't easy
[11:45] <apw> herton, ok if i wanted to rebase this lts backport for you whats the magic incantation to make the new tracking bug, or is that a dangerous thing to do
[11:46] <apw> herton, i don't want shankbot after me
[11:46] <ehw> apw: virsh snapshot-revert [...] :-)
[11:46] <vanhoof> alright here we go
[11:46] <vanhoof> installing -14, w/ virtualbox already installed and built via dkms
[11:47] <apw> vanhoof, gotten from where and onto what base os release
[11:47] <vanhoof> apw: the same release ehw is using ;)
[11:47] <vanhoof> apw: lowell
[11:47] <vanhoof> apw: 10.04.3 + https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/
[11:47] <vanhoof> amd64 though
[11:47] <apw> vanhoof, so onto a lucid base and where did you get your -14, is it the oneiric version of -14 you installed
[11:47] <ehw> vanhoof: actually i'm repro'ing on straight lucid atm (leaving lowell out of the mix for now)
[11:48] <vanhoof> apw: yup, oneiric based
[11:48] <herton> apw, there is already a tracking bug opened for it, let me see here (just was waiting to work on it because previous version isn't released yet)
[11:49] <apw> herton, i think i should stay out of it then, i was going to try test building it is all
[11:49] <herton> apw, bug 893567
[11:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893567 in linux-lts-backport-oneiric "linux-lts-backport-oneiric: 3.0.0-14.23~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893567
[11:50] <vanhoof> ehw: same behaviour here
[11:50] <apw> vanhoof, and i think i expect that, what you just did is not sensible
[11:51]  * apw installs teh same binaries vanhoof did but onto an oneiric base
[11:51] <apw> in general kernels from other releases should work except for dkms stuff where all bets are off
[11:52] <apw> which in large part is why we have to build special backport kernels
[11:52] <herton> apw, if wanted I can push the update to the git repo, just will not upload the backport yet
[11:52] <apw> herton, that would be perfect for me, i could then spin these guys some test kernels from it
[11:52] <apw> herton, but don't rearrange your day to make i happen
[11:52] <herton> it's ok, will do now
[11:53] <ehw> \o/
[11:53] <vanhoof> apw: just did the same on oneiric proper and it works
[11:54] <apw> vanhoof, yeah good, that sounds beelieveable
[11:55] <apw> and i've just installed the same combinations here and they have matching offsets
[11:55] <apw> and that is why i care about the compiler we build the kernel with
[12:00] <vanhoof> apw: herton: i'm building it now against lucid
[12:00] <apw> vanhoof, building ?
[12:02]  * apw notes that build teh real oneiric kernle isn't quite the same
[12:03] <herton> apw, pushed
[12:03] <vanhoof> apw: 3.0.0-14.23 in a lucid chroot
[12:03] <herton> vanhoof, if you want, you can build lts-backport-oneiric branch from lucid repo now
[12:04] <herton> it's updated to 14.23
[12:04] <apw> yeah it makes more sense to build what he has
[12:04] <apw> herton, thanks
[12:04] <vanhoof> ack, i'll kick that off
[12:25] <ehw> vanhoof: why you working, anyway? isn't it 7AM and thanksgiving? :-D
[12:26] <vanhoof> ehw: dedication :D
[12:27] <vanhoof> ehw: just screwing around w/ other stuff
[12:27] <vanhoof> not really working
[12:27] <vanhoof> ehw: just happened to be playing around w/ the lowell build for something :)
[12:28] <ehw> vanhoof: you should be participating in mass turkeycide right now
[12:28] <vanhoof> ehw: build running
[12:28] <vanhoof> ehw: bit early for that :)
[12:28] <vanhoof> but you know what its not too early for
[12:28] <vanhoof> a beer
[12:28] <vanhoof> it is thanksgiving afterall
[12:28] <ehw> it's always noon somewhere
[12:29] <vanhoof> ehw: you want i386 right?
[12:29] <ehw> vanhoof: right, i386 pae kernel
[13:04] <vanhoof> ehw: apw: herton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/748159/
[13:04] <vanhoof> ehw: i386 build is almost done
[13:04] <vanhoof> but looks good here
[13:04] <ehw> vanhoof: excellent!
[13:04] <ehw> vanhoof: can you pastebin lsmod ?
[13:06] <vanhoof> ehw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/748161/
[13:06] <ehw> vanhoof: eeexcellent; there's no [permanent] next to the module names, either \o/
[13:13] <vanhoof> ehw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~vanhoof/ehw/i386/
[13:19] <vanhoof> ehw: all three packages are scp'd over now
[13:19] <vanhoof> ehw: lmk if it works
[13:19] <ehw> vanhoof: great, thanks!
[13:19] <ehw> vanhoof: setting up now
[13:20] <vanhoof> ehw: k make sure to grab linux-headers-3.0.0-14_3.0.0-14.23~lucid1_all.deb
[13:20] <vanhoof> ehw: it stalled on the transfer
[13:20] <vanhoof> but they're all there and I md5'd em
[13:21]  * ehw grabs
[13:33] <ehw> vanhoof: ok, WORKSFORME
[13:34] <vanhoof> ehw: \o/
[13:34] <vanhoof> ehw: awesome
[14:14] <apw> bug #861296
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861296 in linux "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296
[14:17] <ppisati> omap4 i guess
[14:20] <apw> ppisati, needed on the buildds as well according the bug, so imx51
[14:20] <ppisati> apw: but he said they were running oneiric
[14:20] <ppisati> imx51 is lucid only
[14:22] <apw> ppisati, i suspect they are building in oneiric chroots, on the buildds with a lucid kernel
[14:22] <apw> i guess we'd better check
[14:23] <ppisati> apw: discussing it on #ubuntu-arm with doko
[14:35] <apw> ok
[14:43] <apw> ppisati, seems i wasn't on #u-a, did we reach a resolution
[14:49] <cking> apw, power measurements, batch #2 coming your way in email...
[14:49] <apw> cking, thanks
[14:50] <cking> apologies, I pasted text into the mail client and it broke the formatting
[14:50] <smb> cking, metoo?
[14:51] <cking> smb, sorry, of course, will do
[14:51] <smb> cking, thanks. :)
[14:53] <Kano> hi apw
[14:53] <Kano> apw: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=93165b7774a04cf76bc46eb6c9181ab7a8b545d7
[14:53] <Kano> could you consider that as backport for 3.0?
[14:55] <ppisati> apw: for O/omap4 is a clean cherry-pick, kernel built and i'm sending them for testing to #is
[14:55] <apw> Kano, to sru a change like that we need someone asking for it in a bug, and for them to test when its applied, else it'll get reverted
[14:55] <ppisati> apw: for lucid/imx51, i'll take a look at it now
[14:56] <ppisati> apw: half our builder are babbage (imx51) running lucid
[14:56] <apw> ppisati, sounds good
[14:56] <ppisati> apw: another half is panda running natty or oneirc
[14:56] <apw> ppisati, i am assured they will be replaced by pandas around now, but i don't hold my breath
[14:56] <ppisati> yep
[14:57] <apw> ppisati, and when they are we will stop support for the fsl branch ... yay
[14:57] <Kano> apw: it is the same code as http://knc1.de/download/Linux/KNC_DVB_C_MK3X_TDA10024_Patch.zip which is needed for one dvb-c card
[14:58]  * ppisati wonders if all these Franken-builder will ever get replaced by one proper arm server (when they are available of course...)
[14:59] <apw> Kano, that may be, but the point is someone with the h/w needs to test the fix else we can't get it through the sru process
[14:59] <Kano> i know someone, thats not the problem
[15:01] <Kano> 3.2 kernel is somehow crap currently, when i boot my netbook i get something like that: http://kanotix.com/files/fix/crash/IMG_20111123_103403.jpg or http://kanotix.com/files/fix/crash/IMG_20111121_122645.jpg
[15:02] <apw> Kano, then get them to file a bug, and add the link to the fix there, and them come here and ping me with the bug #
[15:02] <Kano> did you test 3.2 with a netbook (intel atom)?
[15:03] <apw> Kano, yep i am running the ubuntu 3.2-rc2 based kernels on most of mine
[15:03] <apw> yours is some random daily from a few days back.  have you tried at least  -rc3 ?
[15:04] <Kano> did you see rc3 compile?
[15:04] <Kano> rc2 had the same problem
[15:04] <apw> i have an -rc3 based build i am about to test
[15:05] <Kano> thats a 32 bit only N270
[15:06] <Kano> more or less the same as msi wind u100 but called akoya e1210
[15:09] <apw> i think mine are N450 ish but no not see that even on my 32bit builds
[15:09] <apw> but the stuff just before -rc3 was pretty poor
[15:13] <Kano> N450 is 64 bit
[15:14] <apw> 64bit capable, but i run 32bit on it
[15:43] <apw> Kano, so i've just booted the tip of our tree which is 3.2-rc3 based and it works for me on 32 and 64 bit atoms i have available
[15:50] <Kano> apw: curious
[15:50] <Kano> maybe it has something to do with wlan
[16:27] <lifeboy> just a question about patch files: Is a patch file anything more than a diff between two files?  I have a patch file for an older version of a driver (not the code itself, but some configuration files), and by looking at the content it seems I could apply the changes manually.  Would I miss something in the process?  I could just try it, but instead of wasting a lot of time trying, I thought I'd just ask.
[16:42] <cemc> herton: it worked, thanks a lot
[16:43] <ppisati> lifeboy: you would loose the commit msg
[16:43] <ppisati> lifeboy: git am -s $PATCH
[16:43] <herton> cemc, cool
[16:43] <ppisati> lifeboy: if that doesn't work, git apply --reject $PATCH
[16:43] <ppisati> lifeboy: then for every hunk that doesn't apply, there will be a $file.rej
[16:43] <ppisati> lifeboy: apply them manually, git add all the modified files
[16:44] <ppisati> lifeboy: and in the end git am --continue
[16:45] <ppisati> lifeboy: btw, from time to time, i closely check why a patch doesn't apply and i modify it to apply cleanly
[16:45] <ppisati> lifeboy: that's another way to approach the same problem
[16:45] <ppisati> wait
[16:46] <ppisati> lifeboy: a bit old, but still relevant
[16:46] <apw> lifeboy, there is nothing to a patch but the changes represented and the changelog entry
[16:46] <ppisati> lifeboy: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2007/2/22/239376
[16:47] <apw> lifeboy, git patches have some other information such as git base commit which can help git apply them more easily than you can
[16:47] <lifeboy> ppisati: It's a patch from the manufacturer of the hardware, so it's not in the git source tree
[16:49] <lifeboy> If toying with the idea of rather taking their source tree, which is based on some Ubuntu 10.04 version and adding some modules to it that I need, specifically aufs and nbd
[16:49] <lifeboy> Not "If"... "I'm toying" ...
[16:50] <lifeboy> would that be in principle possible?  I would add module sources and make sure the .config file has the relevant entries to include the modules in the build
[16:51] <ppisati> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! i forgot to change the changelog... :(
[16:54] <lifeboy> apw: If the patch is not an "official" patch, then the whole git issue doesn't apply, right?
[16:54] <apw> right then it won't be annotated and is as difficult to apply as a normal patch
[16:54] <apw> git apply -C1 is a good first try which makes git apply work like patch
[16:56] <lifeboy> I might not need to do this, if I can merge the aufs and nbd source into the tree, with their corresponding .config entries.  The build will then take care of the rest or not?
[17:37]  * ppisati goes out to find some boxes...
[20:18] <lifeboy> If I use the make-kpkg way of building a kernel how can I add the items in ubuntu/Kconfig in the source tree to the .config?
[21:46] <lifeboy> I asked earlier (but it doesn't seem too many are here!): / If I use the make-kpkg way of building a kernel how can I add the items in ubuntu/Kconfig in the source tree to the .config?


[08:09] <jibel> stgraber, the new tracker is down
[08:36] <alourie> hello
[09:22] <brendand> mvo - hi
[09:26] <mvo> hey brendand
[09:29] <brendand> mvo - you guys are working on more tests for software-center, right?
[09:29] <mvo> brendand: yes
[09:30] <brendand> mvo - where can i see what you're working on at the moment, in terms of coverage?
[09:32] <mvo> brendand: we use python-coverage for the reporting, but we have no (automatic) way of uploading it currently, I can upload the current state or you can do "bzr co lp:software-center; cd tests; make" and wait for it to run, it will create a coverage_html dir in tests with the index.html
[09:32] <mvo> brendand: are you interessted in writing tests :) ?
[09:34] <brendand> mvo - can't make any promises, but yes
[09:34] <mvo> awsome
[09:34] <brendand> main barrier is getting time to understand the workings of sw-center
[09:39] <mvo> yeah, its a bit complicated currently, but I'm happy to help where I can to make it easier
[09:44] <brendand> mvo - do you have any priorities of where coverage needs to be enhanced first?
[09:44] <brendand> mvo - or is everything equal?
[09:47] <mvo> brendand: no priority currently, I would go for the low-hanging fruits first, maybe even the non-ui stuff as this is much easier to test
[09:49] <brendand> mvo - there is no code that is 'dead' as it were?
[09:51] <mvo> brendand: I need to double check, but I don't think so, at least not in sizable amounts
[09:53] <mvo> for some of it we probably also want to annoate that it does not need coverage, i.e. the exception handler in spawn_helper.py that just logs the exception
[09:55] <brendand> mvo - that would be a good first task, as least to help me ;)
[09:58] <mvo> brendand: heh, yeah! its "# pragma: no cover" at the start of the exception block
[10:09] <brendand> mvo - in the 'db' component a lot of functions seem to expect a db. how do i create one and which one should i use? a test one?
[10:27] <brendand> mvo - say in DebFileApplication.get_details. that needs to be passed a db
[10:29] <brendand> mvo - is it meant to be a StoreDatabase?
[10:46] <mvo> brendand: ys
[10:46] <mvo> yes
[10:47] <mvo> brendand: check softwarecenter/testutils.py
[10:47] <brendand> mvo - thanks. i managed to find an example in another test
[10:47] <mvo> brendand: there is a get_test_database function
[10:47] <mvo> awsome
[10:55] <brendand> mvo - great! now i know that i should be able to get rocking with some tests
[11:00] <mvo> brendand: awsome, let me know about blockers, the testutils.py stuff is relatively new, everytime you need to do repetitive tasks we probably want a helper in there
[11:02] <brendand> mvo - sure, i'll let you know
[11:02] <brendand> jibel - alpha 1 starts early next week right?
[11:07] <jibel> brendand, right, first candidates usually land on Tuesday. Meanwhile you can test dailies and review the new tracker at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (when it's back online of course :))
[11:11] <MechanisM> hello where to download testing 12.04? I'm always start testing since alpha and sending bug-reports
[11:12] <MechanisM> now I can't see any testing versions at ubuntu.com/testing
[11:14] <brendand> MechanisM - There is no candidate for alpha1 yet I guess
[11:15] <MechanisM> already found some http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:18] <MechanisM> also if someone can investigate. I'm 2nd time reinstalling ubuntu because of skype crashed it and I have a lot of unmet dependencies problems because of skype. maybe after microsoft bought skype they wanna crash linuxes with skype for linux
[14:37] <stgraber> jibel, cjwatson: tracker is back online, it ran out of diskspace because of the LP integration script caching thousands of bugs on disk (a few hundreds of megs worth of .json files ...)
[14:38] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:42] <jibel> stgraber, thanks
[14:47] <cr3> stgraber: I think it would be worthwhile to parameterize launchpadlib so that it won't cache requests, but still cache credentials of course, I've seen this use case more than once
[14:52] <cr3> stgraber: if you use Launchpadlib.login, instead of login_with or login_anonymously, you can override the cache directory as an argument. if you set it to None, lazr.restfulclient will create a temporary directory which will be removed atexit
[14:58] <stgraber> cr3: oh, good, guess I'll do that then
[15:18] <stgraber> jibel, cjwatson: I'll be flushing the database on <IP_ADDRESS> now to re-import the production DB. I'll drop all the changes that were done on it except for the daily builds (so I can test my export/re-import script :))
[15:24] <cjwatson> ah, that explains it
[15:37] <stgraber> cjwatson, jibel: Tracker is back online
[15:45] <cjwatson> stgraber: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/qatracker says "currently on an invalid subdomain"
[15:46] <stgraber> cjwatson: that sounds like a caching problem... turning it off
[15:48] <stgraber> fixed (turned off caching for that page)
[15:53] <cjwatson> OK, great, my security fix works
[15:58] <cr3> cjwatson: out of curiosity, might you happen to know where get-build-deps might've gone to?
[16:26] <cjwatson> ubuntu-dev-tools (0.131) unstable; urgency=low
[16:26] <cjwatson>   get-build-deps was removed from ubuntu-dev-tools. The newer mk-build-deps in
[16:26] <cjwatson>   devscripts is equivalent (with the -ir options).
[16:26] <cjwatson> cr3: /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-dev-tools/NEWS.Debian.gz
[16:26] <cjwatson>  -- Stefano Rivera<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 00:13:18 +0200
[16:36] <cr3> cjwatson: thanks! cyphermox, ^^^, you might also be interested
[16:36] <cyphermox> ah
[16:36] <cyphermox> thx