[19:09] <mattdorian> @ncp: my filesystem is ntfs. @ BlitzHere: I dont want to, because I want to rescue the data.
[19:09] <mattdorian> @ncp: its with two partitions, one of them is a truecrypt container
[19:11] <ncp> mattdorian, can you mount the two ntfs partitions?
[19:11] <ncp> or it that the problem?
[19:11] <waseem_> Okay so I killed the processes and did # dpkg --configure -a. Everything seems fine now. :)
[19:11] <Hakus1> Hello Guys, i'm using 14.04 and my compiz is using 48%~50% of cpu. Is anyone having this issue?
[19:11] <waseem_> Thanks for listening folks. It's 4/20 today, you know what to do. :D
[19:12] <k1l_> Hakus1: under 10% on here
[19:13] <iz> anyone use silc-client with ubuntu?
[19:13] <santa> .
[19:14] <iz> seems like the last time there was a package for it was lucid 10.04?
[19:14] <Hakus1> k1l_:  hmmm... thanks
[19:15] <BlitzHere> Ok, so, it turns out that ubuntu gave my router two different mac addresses and is connected simultaneously via ethernet cable and WiFi. Is this normal?
[19:16] <cunningham91> can anyone here help me with a problem im having after updating to 14.04?
[19:17] <iz> BlitzHere: each network interface has a mac address, so your router should have two different mac addresses, one for the wifi and another for the wired
[19:18] <BlitzHere> iz: p2p1=eth0?
[19:18] <iz> ?
[19:18] <cunningham91> after updating to 14.04 i can login but then after about 15 seconds my screen goes black
[19:19] <AaronDCampbell> I'm getting this: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-libs_2%3a4.1.6+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:22] <GJPMiningco> what is the command line to assign a IP to eth1 i want to assign it the IP of <IP_ADDRESS> with a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:22] <jacksparrow> hello
[19:22] <jacksparrow> can someone educate me on this
[19:22] <jacksparrow> can ubuntu server be run from USB entirely all the time
[19:23] <dannixon> jacksparrow: I don't see why not but it is a bad idea
[19:23] <jacksparrow> why would you say that
[19:23] <k1l_> jacksparrow: yes
[19:24] <jacksparrow> @dannixon
[19:25] <dannixon> jacksparrow: USB flash storage is more liable to faults than traditional spindle drives for repetative write cycles
[19:25] <jacksparrow> ok
[19:26] <jacksparrow> but could the USB just host the OS and then add and external drive
[19:27] <jacksparrow> @dannixon
[19:27] <dannixon> jacksparrow: You could, byt that is a better setup when your OS can be loaded entirely into memory, which I don't think Ubuntu Server can
[19:28] <ma5t3rw1tt> I have a quick question. I have found documentation about the reasoning why Hibernate is disabled by default. I have reanabled it but its showing only for Ubuntu and I am running Lubuntu, any help for this?
[19:28] <jacksparrow> @dannixon, which OS do u think would suit my setup
[19:29] <jacksparrow> my computer wont recognise the drive so i need a workaround
[19:30] <dannixon> jacksparrow: There are OSes designed for this use, but they tend to be very application specific (e.g. FreeNAS can be booted from almost anything and runs from memory under normal use)
[19:34] <ma5t3rw1tt> The same documentation on re enable Hibernate on Ubuntu is the same for Lubuntu correct?
[19:34] <jacksparrow> ok dannixon thanks a lot
[19:39] <ncp> has /etc/aliases been moved or added into other conf? can't find any aliases file in my /etc/
[19:41] <ncp> no MTA is installed on my 14.04, could this be why?
[19:42] <bekks> ncp: yes.
[19:42] <ncp> bekks, though so :) thanks
[19:46] <BlitzHere> ActionParsnip: Thanks, allowing anonymous logins worked. A bit insecure but should do the job for now, and my network is private anyway
[19:48] <k1l_> !away > Leo_Vertoff
[19:48] <MaxSan> when i login all i get is my desktop background. unity does not load. I have tried everything to fix this to success. any help would be much appreciated
[19:49] <emmetea> whats a good gui program with 14.04 to add users to a new installation
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> emmetea: its in system settings. adduser in terminal is useful to learn
[19:49] <Ayonae> Hello. I have lost the 'Show Desktop' icon on my Unity launcher. I have Saucy.
[19:50] <trinode> ok pulseaudio is seriously winding me up
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> Ayonae: could use the shortcut Shift + Win + D
[19:50] <trinode> it's just unloading a bluetooth module
[19:50] <trinode> loads it at startup, decides to unload it
[19:51] <trinode> have to manually load it and it sticks
[19:51] <trinode> :/
[19:51] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: Thanks, give a sec to boot up something with a windows key and try it.
[19:52] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: If it works I will look at keybinding an alternate key (I have a chromebook with coreboot and Ubuntu)
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> Trinode: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[19:52] <emmetea> ActionParsnip, i normally use that but i need to leave this computer for my mother-in-law to use and she is migrating from windows
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> emmetea: how many users is she going to be adding....
[19:53] <emmetea> i don't know, she has four other kids besides my wife plus grand children
[19:53] <trinode> ActionParsnip: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=16e40cb2046dcd7806d355e4911b85c7e0482f75
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> emmetea: i see. I believe its under the system settings cog in top right
[19:54] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: shift+win+d is not working: It pops up file search filter instead
[19:55] <emmetea> ActionParsnip, thank you kindly. i learned from dealing with my parents growing up that i hated doing tech support for them over the phone once i wasn't around so it is just easier being prepared for that kind of thing
[19:55] <Joufflu> just installed 14.04 but only a guest account showed up,, i remember creating a user with pass. tried going into term and using "sudo" but permission denied. :-/
[19:56] <trinode> ActionParsnip: the module module-bluetooth-discover is loaded at startup then a few seconds later unloaded, in order to get bluetooth a2dp devices to connect I need to pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
[19:56] <MaxSan> anyone?
[19:56] <MaxSan> ive tried everything im totally stumped
[19:56] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: I've just discovered settings->appearance->behaviour has a checkbox to restore the show desktop icon in the launcher
[19:57] <wafflejock_> emmetea: I find hangouts to be pretty good to help people remotely since you can screen share
[19:57] <MaxSan> when i ctrl + alt +f1 to get a terminal up it will let me do dconf reset as there is no X11 display loaded
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[19:57] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: Ah, with this icon re-enabled, the super+d works again!
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> Ayonae: sweet as :)
[19:57] <wafflejock_> MaxSan: you can try reinstalling Unity if your unable to repair it
[19:58] <emmetea> wafflejock_, the thing with google+ ?
[19:58] <wafflejock_> emmetea: yeah just need gmail accounts
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: no need to pastebin. Its a single line of output
[19:58] <wafflejock_> emmetea: it's now really their IM and video chat all under the title of "Hangouts" but the video portion works cross platform and can screen share and video chat which I think is good
[19:58] <emmetea> wafflejock_, i haven't tried that yet, i'll have to look into it since my portable is a chromebook. thank you
[19:59] <MaxSan> waiting laptop switch back on needed abttery
[19:59] <Ayonae> emmetea: Also have chromebook but run ubuntu on it. However I have used google hangouts and it really works well.
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> Trinode: are there any bugs reported. My sound fixing ability is small
[20:00] <trinode> there are reports of that module not loading at all
[20:00] <Ayonae> Wow, other Chromebook users. How times have changed since 2012 when I got mine!
[20:01] <trinode> ActionParsnip: closest thing is this:- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1274613
[20:01] <emmetea> Ayonae, yeah i first got mine at the end of 2012 because i'm not a fan of sharing my computers, but i thought it would be good since i was going back to college and people always seem to be asking to look something up or chek their email
[20:02] <MaxSan> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: have you tried a noncompositing session like xfce?
[20:03] <MaxSan> i got the unity source, changed a single like to remove whitelisting and recompiled it.
[20:03] <MaxSan> it worked fine for that session now after i turned laptop back on
[20:03] <MaxSan> nothing loads
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: we cannot support self compiled apps, we can only support the packages from the repos
[20:05] <wafflejock_> true hard to test something we don't have in hand
[20:07] <emmetea> last question, does anyone happen to know if devede in 14.04 has fixed some of the issues people were complaining about with it in 12.04 ?
[20:08] <junka> like?
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> emmetea: never had an issue with it
[20:09] <reblues> never had an issue with devede
[20:09] <MaxSan> ActionParsnip: how do i reset it?
[20:09] <MaxSan> as in. how would i reset the standard version
[20:09] <MaxSan> so i can try the same thing
[20:09] <MaxSan> as im 98% sure it will have the same result lol
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: reinstall the unity packages
[20:09] <oliver_> Does anyone know how i can fix RDP from (i think) not being able to bind to a port at startup?
[20:09] <k1l_> !away > g00fy|BNC
[20:10] <emmetea> junka: i was just reading the reviews and some people had mentioned its interaction with menecoder sometimes causing problems. i just didn't want to leave some software on that a new linux user might have issues with and be un able to figure out why
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -l | awk {'print $2'} | grep unity`
[20:11] <emmetea> though i am a bit confused as to why it conflicts with mplayer ?
[20:14] <emmetea> would anyone happen to know why when installing devede  it says that mplayer conflicts with it?
[20:14] <compdoc> oliver_, what rdp did you install?
[20:14] <MaxSan> it works again now i still have the original problem of no new tray icons allowed to be added
[20:14] <Mrokii> Hello. I can't get the 14.04 upgrade to work, because the "could not calculate the upgrade"-error, which is mentioned here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/449546/ubuntu-13-10-to-14-04-lts-does-not-upgrade-keeps-showing-error#comment590353_449546 , however the solution given there didn't work for me.
[20:14] <lagbox> in 14.10 is swappiness set like high or something
[20:14] <lagbox> 14.04
[20:14] <oliver_> Xrdp, it was working but i did something and it keeps stopping
[20:14] <Ayonae> Mrokii: Here's a silly question, but have you checked your disk space?
[20:15] <xangua> lagbox: swappiness by default is 60
[20:15] <lagbox> ah
[20:15] <lagbox> i must have it turned down in the past
[20:15] <bekks> lagbox: the default of swappiness is set to 60 for years now.
[20:15] <lagbox> never have i had so much swap use
[20:15] <Mrokii> Ayonae: 7.9 GB are free
[20:16] <MaxSan> ActionParsnip: is there any way around that without me recompiling unity then ?
[20:16] <circ-user-CAYfZ> a quick question about 14.04 - using nvidia proprietary drivers, it takes ages to launch lightdm, and then once it loads, it disappears for 2 seconds until finally coming back and then I can log in. anyone experience something similar?
[20:16] <lagbox> i find my boot time is longer than before  circ
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: you can set it lower in /etc/sysctl.conf
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> MaxSan: around what? If you reinstall the packages it will put back the official binaries
[20:18] <emmetea> thank you everyone for your help
[20:21] <Ayonae> One other question: How do I avoid a system lock up when a network drive I have mounted fails on a LAN?
[20:21] <Lukas1321> does anyone know any differences between ubuntu and ubuntukylin?
[20:21] <k1l_> Lukas1321: its the chinese ubuntu
[20:22] <Ayonae> When I mount a network drive from that server, and the server crashes, my machine locks up. IO error etc.
[20:22] <Lukas1321> k1l_, i'm asking about feature differences and all that
[20:23] <k1l_> Lukas1321: see second answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/420774/what-is-the-difference-between-ubuntu-kylin-and-ubuntu-with-default-language-chi
[20:23] <penguinman> Ayonae: you could check out this link http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node142.html. perhaps setting a timeout in fstab might solve that.
[20:23] <trinode> is there a way to get offered to over-write all config files that have changed?
[20:23] <trinode> (back to original versions)
[20:24] <Ayonae> penguinman: thank you
[20:24] <Sir_Leto> Is it possible to install over the linux distro I'm currently using without totally effing up my bootloader?
[20:24] <Sir_Leto> I'm dual booting right now
[20:25] <hasek79> i am running 13.10 and i wanted to get a screensaver, should i get xscreensaver
[20:25] <penguinman> Sir_Leto: what do you mean by messing up your bootloader? Ubuntu is really good at detecting dual boot situations
[20:25] <Lukas1321> k1l_, the thing i'm worried about is whether it has chinese gov't spyware
[20:26] <Sir_Leto> Usually when I install something it'll leave behind the boot options for the previously installed OS
[20:26] <Ayonae> penguinman: Thank you for this. I see that I have to soft-mount the drive.
[20:26] <jayterson> s
[20:26] <amtkhdkr> https://askubuntu.com/questions/450097/problem-with-optirun-bumblebee hello can anyone please take a look at this? thanks :)
[20:27] <Ayonae> Lukas1321: You're welcome to look at the code. It's the only way to be sure. It seems these days you get to choose chinese, american or british govt spyware in your closed source software :-)
[20:27] <k1l_> Lukas1321: well it doesnt have official chinese government spying software. of course.
[20:28] <penguinman> personally I'd rather have chinese spyware than American spyware considering the chinese gov't can't arrest me for being a dissident :P
[20:29] <amtkhdkr> been facing this problem for a long time, would appreciate any sort of help!
[20:30] <Ayonae> penguinman: i see this hard/soft mount is for nfs only?
[20:30] <penguinman> yes. Is your network drive not NFS?
[20:31] <Ayonae> penguinman: No we use CIFS because no-one here understand NFS and not all our machines are *nix
[20:32] <Ayonae> penguinman: I should have said that it was CIFS. I am sorry.
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> Ayonae: id use SFTP personally. Works over WAN and by default will mount the user's home you connect with
[20:33] <penguinman> Ayonae: hmm, not really familiar with CIFS.
[20:33] <rebelCoder> 14.04 Is great!
[20:33] <Ayonae> penguinman: In an ideal world, yea, we'd also have a server that didn't do unscheduled reboots :-)
[20:33] <penguinman> ms really needs to start supporting NFS...ugh
[20:34] <penguinman> especially considering Macs use it too.
[20:34] <Leo_Verto> okay, reconfigured znc to not use awaynick on freenode
[20:34] <xRanieriWolf> I think I just found my home.
[20:35] <xRanieriWolf> What's up my friends, I'm currently running Windows XP and a complete noob at programming/electronics/etc.
[20:36] <penguinman> ewwwww....XP.....
[20:36] <Ayonae> it stands for "eXtra Powerful". it's the best windows.
[20:36] <Spidernet> xp is really the best
[20:36] <penguinman> XP is a security hole with a GUI...
[20:36] <bekks> And really end of life.
[20:38] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: It seems you;re right. SFTP looks to be able to handle a disconnect without locking the client. But what we do run and what we should run ... *sigh* Do you know of anyway to sort this under CIFS?
[20:40] <xRanieriWolf> I tried installing Ubuntu LTS (forget the version name, possible 10.4?) and when I run it, It can't install the broadcom wi-fi adapters?
[20:40] <a7i3n>  /quit
[20:40] <a7i3n> exit
[20:40] <Ayonae> xRanieriWolf: 10.04 is very old. the version number is the year and month of release (2010 april). hardware support in a newer LTS will be much improved.
[20:40] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: 14.04 should work with broadcom just fine. my laptop has that and it works out of the box.
[20:41] <xRanieriWolf> Okay. How would I install the broadcom drivers on my windows partition, and transfer it over to my Ubuntu partition?
[20:41] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: even handles the keyboard on/off switch
[20:41] <Ayonae> xRanieriWolf: do you have a flash drive?
[20:42] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: it's supported in the newer kernels without 3rd party drivers
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> Ayonae: not sure. I dont use CIFS.
[20:42] <bekks> xRanieriWolf: Thats nit going to work that way.
[20:42] <xRanieriWolf> Ahh, okay, I will use a flash drive.
[20:42] <Ayonae> penguinman: 10.04 is EOL I think. You were talking about security holes with a GUI? :-)
[20:42] <xRanieriWolf> And what are most driver extensions?
[20:42] <penguinman> Ayonae: yeah, 10.04 is OLD.
[20:42] <xRanieriWolf> .???
[20:43] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: unix filesystems don't really work that way.
[20:43] <xRanieriWolf> :O
[20:43] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: file extensions don't really mean much in Linux.
[20:43] <holstein> xRanieriWolf: you can use synaptic to generate download scripts for what you need.. you'll get "wget" commands to download the needed packages..
[20:43] <bekks> Even in Windows they do mean nothing.
[20:44] <SexMachine> When is 14.04 coming to AWS?
[20:44] <Ayonae> ActionParsnip: It's oK. Thanks for your help though. It is much appreciated.
[20:44] <bekks> SexMachine: When Amazon deploys it.
[20:44] <xRanieriWolf> Penguinman, can you recommend a good site/book to learn these basic questions without having to ask people that are probably gonna get annoyed with all the basic questions?
[20:44] <SexMachine> bekks: What's wrong with Amazon?
[20:44] <holstein> SexMachine: not sure what AWS is, but ask AWS when they plan on implementing
[20:44] <bekks> SexMachine: Ask them.
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> xRanieriWolf: i suggest a clean install of Trusty.
[20:44] <xRanieriWolf> Trusty?
[20:44] <xRanieriWolf> Let me google it
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> xRanieriWolf: ubuntu 14.04
[20:44] <bekks> !trusty | xRanieriWolf
[20:44] <holstein> !14.04
[20:44] <penguinman> xRanieriWolf: the latest version. 14.04
[20:45] <SexMachine> holstein: i think we should know AWS better by now
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> xRanieriWolf: released this week
[20:45] <xRanieriWolf> :O
[20:45] <xRanieriWolf> THANKS A LOT
[20:45] <holstein> SexMachine: ? i dont know what AWS is, but nothinb about 14.04 is preventing AWS from implementing 14.04.. its out, and freely available
[20:46] <SexMachine> shame on holstein
[20:46] <penguinman> holstein: AWS is Amazon's cloud infrastructure. Basically Amazon VPN.
[20:46] <arlen> amazon vps*
[20:46] <penguinman> errr, VPS I meant
[20:46] <SexMachine> just a google away
[20:46] <novasonic> hi
[20:47] <penguinman> sorry, have VPN on the mind. just started running a new one.
[20:47] <novasonic> is there anyway to track dependencies of x-window-system?
[20:47] <holstein> SexMachine:  the facts above are true, regardless of what, or if i know what AWS is..
[20:47] <holstein> SexMachine: ask them for it..
[20:47] <Ayonae> I can't imagine what percentage of the world's end user websites are on AWS. Must be over 20.
[20:48] <SexMachine> holstein: i understand. Mr. bekks gave me an answer for that.
[20:48] <SexMachine> shame on holstein
[20:48] <OSaddict> How do you view PMs on Xchat?
[20:48] <novasonic> q
[20:49] <bekks> SexMachine: Oh stop that now, please. I have no clue about AWS - but only can answer your questions about their technical infrastructure.
[20:49] <k1l_> SexMachine: please stop that attitude immediatly. no need to go ad hominem
[20:49] <Ayonae> OSaddict: They should each have a tab
[20:49] <hamadrilene> salut tout le monde
[20:49] <k1l_> !fr | hamadrilene
[20:49] <OSaddict> Ayonae: Oh, I see. Thanks.
[20:49] <SexMachine> it's sunday. i'm just joking...
[20:49] <SexMachine> shame on me
[20:49] <hamadrilene> thanks
[20:53] <lagbox> swappines=10 definatley helped a bit
[20:53] <lagbox> i wonder if setting it to 0 would be better
[20:55] <jm123> just ran mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sdc1 for some reason pressed ctrl c
[20:55] <jm123> now my sd card isn't showing up in gparted when trying to reformat
[20:55] <jm123> did i just kill this card for good?
[20:56] <OSaddict> jm123: Try taking it out and putting it back in, then run Gparted.
[20:57] <jm123> OSaddict: did this, still notthing
[20:57] <OSaddict> I don't think you can make a card permanently unusable by corrupting its data. You can always recreate the partition table and reformat.
[20:57] <lagbox> now if i could just get chromium UI to stop looking like it is on a touchscreen with huge spacing
[20:58] <jm123> OSaddict: I hope so too
[20:58] <OSaddict> jm123: What /dev stuff do you see in the Gparted pull-down?
[20:58] <junka> jm123, try blkid on a terminal
[20:59] <junka> then reformat based on /dev/sdX of your card
[20:59] <jm123> here is the output of blkid
[21:00] <jm123> one sec, putting into pastebin
[21:00] <jm123> http://pastebin.com/5fTApStT
[21:01] <junka> you have other removable devices connected?
[21:01] <OSaddict> jm123: Could /dev/sdb possibly be your SD card?
[21:01] <jm123> that's an external hd
[21:02] <junka> what about sda?
[21:02] <xubuntu> hi
[21:03] <jm123> sda is my main hdd i think
[21:04] <OSaddict> Because jm123 canceled the formatting, there will be no usable partition for that device. It won't show up on blkid.
[21:04] <jm123> sda1 (/boot/efi) and sda2 (/)
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: chromium spacing isnt too huge, or do you mean the OS as a whole?
[21:04] <OSaddict> jm123: Does /dev/sdc show up in gparted?
[21:05] <jm123> OSaddict: no id doesn't
[21:05] <lagbox> ActionParsnip, my address bar and tab font is to large ... and the addressbar dropdown takes up the whoel top of the screen with white bars on the side
[21:05] <lagbox> like it was meant to be on a touch screen
[21:06] <OSaddict> jm123: Try rebooting. That helped me with device problems before.
[21:06] <lagbox> not how chromium looked when i was on 13.10 ... but this might be a weird issue with the Font
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> Lagbox: not seen that and I use Chrome browser...
[21:06] <lagbox> yea i know
[21:06] <lagbox> you probably have the expected behavior
[21:06] <jm123> OSaddict: haven't done that yet, hopefully this is the fix
[21:06] <jm123> OSaddict: thanks
[21:07] <lagbox> pretty much this has been an issue for over 2 years and they haven't fixed it
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Lagbox: is this in Ubuntu?
[21:07] <lagbox> yes
[21:07] <OSaddict> jm123: Can you see it now in gparted?
[21:07] <lagbox> ubuntu 14.04 64   ... new install ... old home
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Lagbox: strange indeed.
[21:07] <lagbox> yes ... very very very annoying
[21:07] <igoryonya_> hello, I have an asus k52d. Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS, after one of the updates the builtin monitor stopped getting backlight as soon as a graphical login screen is loaded and also, the desktop environment. I presume, it's something to do with an x server. The screen has backlight all the way from BIOS, grub, loading the os, up until the graphical login screen appears. What to do?
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: tried renaming the chrome config folder then relaunching the browser to get default setings
[21:08] <lagbox> ActionParsnip, if i load up a guest session ... it is the same
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: gotcha
[21:08] <RudyValencia> Hi, what happened to Likewise Open in Ubuntu 14.04?
[21:08] <lagbox> pretty much chrome should be using my gtk font and it isn't or can't and it seems like it is locking some type of default font-size and scaling
[21:09] <bekks> RudyValencia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LikewiseOpen
[21:09] <RudyValencia> oh
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> !info likewise-open trusty
[21:09] <Term1nal> So I'm playing with ubuntu MAAS, waiting on the import boot images to finish, how big exactly -are- the boot images? I'm like 6 gigs in and it's still not done yet.
[21:09] <RudyValencia> so it's PBIS Open now, OK
[21:10] <Term1nal> There's a message that if it takes longer than expected, to check the logs, but I don't know -which- logs to check to see if it's not communicating with the maas api
[21:13] <OSaddict> What exactly does the linux-firmware package do?
[21:13] <k1l_> OSaddict: installs prop. firmware for some stuff
[21:14] <k1l_> !info linux-firmware
[21:14] <OSaddict> Installs firmware? You mean it overwrites firmware on  my cards and BIOS?
[21:15] <penguinman> OSaddict: no, it's just proprietary firmware compiled intot he kernel
[21:15] <jm123> OSaddict: no success with the reboot
[21:16] <k1l_> OSaddict: not all drivers are in the kernel. so that package is needed for some hardware
[21:17] <k1l_> !away > chorrell-away
[21:17] <RudyValencia> bekks: thanks, I installed PBIS Open and I can access my domain now
[21:18] <Term1nal> Any idea how large the ubuntu pxe-boot-images for MAAS are exactly?
[21:18] <OSaddict> OK I see.
[21:19] <jhutchins> OSaddict: Firmware is the flexible code that manufacturers use to allow for things like diffrent frequency ranges for WIFI in different countries.  It's not quite firmware in the traditional sense that it's semi-permanently loaded on the hardware, rather it's loaded each time the device is enabled - usually the driver loads the firmware when it's loaded.
[21:19] <bekks> RudyValencia: What is that and what is it for?
[21:19] <jhutchins> OSaddict: Mostly seen on wifi, a few ethernet cards, and specialty hardware.  Winmodems were probably the first things that used it in it's current sense.
[21:20] <RudyValencia> PowerBroker Identity Services Open Edition, it's the new name for Likewise Open (Windows Domain authentication package)
[21:20] <bekks> RudyValencia: thats the first sentence of the article. And it absolutely doesnt answer my questions :)
[21:21] <bekks> RudyValencia: Why do I need a "Windows Domain authentication package" if I can just use LDAP/AD?
[21:22] <igoryonya_> I have a backlight on the notebook from BIOS until the grapical login screen, then I have to use a flashlight to see what's on the screen. How to fix it?
[21:23] <Ayonae> igoryonya_: Try nomodeset, it does fix odd backlight problems
[21:23] <binBlob> Someone having experienc here with perf? Mine cand find the vmlinux and the sources. How to fix this ?
[21:24] <Ayonae> igoryonya_: If that doesnt work, look at ACPI
[21:26] <jhutchins> binBlob: perf?
[21:27] <binBlob> jhutchins: yes look at this wonderfully empty wiki page about it https://perf.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[21:30] <linxeh> hi - how do I enable MATE (the version that ships with 14.04)? I've installed standard x86_64 desktop
[21:31] <razorbuzz> Good afternoon / Happy Easter. I just updated to 14.04, had a few issues, so ended up doing a "reinstall" from the install media. Home folders were kept, but users were deleted. Do I just recreate the same user, rename the userfolder, and update permissions?
[21:31] <razorbuzz> And followup: One of the users had an encrypted Home. I know how to access them as another user, so I can just move them into the recreated user, but is there a way to maintain the encryption?
[21:32] <igoryonya_> Ayonae, where do I find nomodeset?
[21:32] <john123> Hello, does anyone know if you can "startx" inside a chrooted environment? I've been trying to boot my system but my screen just goes black. When I boot from a USB and chroot into my system, startx says there is no displayed available, trying to figure out where my problem lies. Using GummiBoot on UEFI
[21:33] <razorbuzz> john123: Install xnest, that'll allow you to startx inside a chroot by creating a seconding "display" for the new x session
[21:33] <xangua> razorbuzz: for the encrypted home folder you just have to create the same user and password, you could do also with the others
[21:33] <john123> razorbuzz, thank you will try that out
[21:33] <razorbuzz> xangua: I thought of doing that, assumed it'd be too easy of a solution. uid's being different and all.  I'll give it a go though, thank you.
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> linxeh: mate doesnt ship with 14.04
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> linxeh: there is cinammon in the official repos
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> !find mate
[21:34] <junka> !find mate-desktop
[21:34] <junka> mate is the repos
[21:35] <junka> on*
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> !info mate-desktop
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> So it is
[21:35] <Ayonae> igoryonya_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[21:35] <linxeh> ok - I'll google up; I battled with the unity madness before, and I've just clean reinstalled. I just want stuff to work normally :/
[21:35] <k1l_> ActionParsnip: cinnamon was kicked out of ubuntu and debian recently. but mate was taken in
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> Linxeh: install the package, log off then log into the new session in your login screen
[21:35] <linxeh> ActionParsnip: yeah. done that. still end up with unity
[21:36] <linxeh> clearly I'm doing something wrong :)
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> linxeh: did you change the session in the dm?
[21:36] <junka> yes you need to change DE
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> linxeh: if you just log off then log on and dont change anything then obviosly you will log back in to Unity session. Your system isnt psychic
[21:38] <Sky-linux> Do I have free shell?
[21:38] <k1l_> Sky-linux: this is the ubuntu support channe
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> Sky-linux: how do you mean?
[21:38] <Sky-linux> shell account
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> Sky-linux: yes when you open a terminal you are using your account in the shell
[21:40] <Sky-linux> online ActionParsnip
[21:40] <k1l_> Sky-linux: can you please rephrase your ubuntu support question?
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Sky-linux: i dont follow you. Will you please explain the issue fully
[21:41] <Sky-linux> ok
[21:42] <pseudonymous> Hey. I can't administer cups via the web interface.. I've added "Allow all" to every <Location> block in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf AND ensured my user is in lpadmin (AND rebooted).. what to do
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> pseudonymous: the cups web ui by default is accessible by your user. What happens when you acces http://localhost:631
[21:44] <majod> can someone explain if TRIM is enabled on all SSDs in trusty, or only on certain brands? i've read somewhere it's supported only on samsungs and intel
[21:44] <pseudonymous> actionparsnip: no it's actually accessible by default - and so I get the web interface (as I'd expect) from visiting that url. I just can't do any administrative actions
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> Majod: yes its enabled (providing the device supports it)
[21:44] <bekks> majod: It is supported on all SSD. If in doubt, manually enable it.
[21:45] <Spidernet> ActionParsnip: it works..... for administrative actions set a password for the root account and use it
[21:45] <majod> ActionParsnip: bekks thank you both
[21:45] <pseudonymous> Spidernet: not for me, tried that.. Initially trying ot login as root resulted in the login box reappearing after a while (timed out, sort of) - not it's returned IMMEDIATELY..
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Spidernet: wont running the web browser using gksudo do the same?
[21:46] <jayterson> quit
[21:46] <pseudonymous> Spidernet: not=>now --- as in, setting a root password results in the login attempt being immediately rejected
[21:46] <amlon> how can I view location data of an mp4 video in ubuntu?
[21:46] <trism> ActionParsnip: linxeh parts of mate are there but not enough to be useful, packaging in debian is still ongoing http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:debian likely to need at least mate-session-manager which only just recently landed in unstable
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> amlon: mplayer may be able to tell you
[21:47] <mrtAkdeniz> guys
[21:47] <mrtAkdeniz> Whenever I want to install VMware Workstation
[21:47] <mrtAkdeniz> on the half of the installation process, it goes Uninstall process :S
[21:47] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: is this relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/449310/vmware-workstation-10-0-1-install-wont-work-14-04
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:48] <Spidernet> pseudonymous: first set root password and reboot ur machine.. login in with ::other accounts: it will ask u for the username and password.. it will pop up again for the password to be reentered, enter it and u will be logged in.. i use it and it works grt
[21:48] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[21:48] <mrtAkdeniz> holstein, I checked, I move install bundle's path
[21:48] <mrtAkdeniz> and wanted to install as su
[21:48] <mrtAkdeniz> still same.. :(
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: su isnt a user....
[21:49] <john123> razorbuzz, what should i be expecting from Xnest? I've ran 'Xnest :1 -ac &' and its running in the background, my DISPLAY is set to ':1', running for example firefox does not complain that there is no display to be shown, but nothing appears, also when typing xterm nothing pops up. Am I missing a step?
[21:49] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: sudo
[21:49] <pseudonymous> Spidernet: I don't want to log into the desktop as root, I just want to administer my printers via the cups web interface
[21:49] <mrtAkdeniz> I get privileges by sudo su
[21:49] <mrtAkdeniz> and Did chmod +x for bundle
[21:49] <pseudonymous> I can't understand why Ubuntu even bothers deliberately b0rking the web interface.. It's by far the best means of administering cups >_<
[21:49] <k1l_> mrtAkdeniz: that is a wrong command. see man sudo.
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: sonas root, not as su
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> So as*
[21:50] <mrtAkdeniz> what I need to do?
[21:50] <john123> razorbuzz, I'm thinking its because I still dont have X running... as startx says no screens are found
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: run the installernprefixed with sudo
[21:50] <razorbuzz> john123:  [startx -display :1]  inside the chroot environment.
[21:50] <razorbuzz> if you set the display to :1, as you stated
[21:50] <Spidernet> pseudonymous: u can forget about cups and install system-config-printer or otherwise use ur username and password for the cups administration
[21:50] <mrtAkdeniz> you mean "sudo VMwa..." ? ActionParsnip
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: yes but with ./VMware..
[21:51] <pseudonymous> Spidernet: i have that already, but the UI frankly sucks and it's missing a host of options :( That's why I'm keen to get the web interface working
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: so the interpretter uses pwd
[21:51] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, I did as u said, now on the configrations of Installation
[21:51] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: if you are not running the script as root, try that
[21:52] <mrtAkdeniz> it gives "root" not my username
[21:52] <mrtAkdeniz> Do I need to add my username here?
[21:52] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: maybe referencing http://fazlearefin.blogspot.ca/2014/03/vmware-workstation-10-not-working-on.html would help
[21:52] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: no
[21:52] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: sudo command.. or sudo -i will give you a "root shell"
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: become your user and use sudo. This is how Ubuntu is intended to be used
[21:52] <rauch_> Anyone experience mouse/keyboard freezing? Have to switch to another TTY and back to get it working again
[21:52] <mrtAkdeniz> holstein, that guide for after Install
[21:53] <mrtAkdeniz> I have problem with installation process..
[21:53] <Spidernet> pseudonymous: so what are you seeking for now
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: is there no possibility to use virtualbox?
[21:53] <razorbuzz> @john123:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot  about 2/3rds of the way down the page (or ctrl+f xnest)
[21:53] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, if that won't work, I will go for VirtualBox :\
[21:53] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: i would either try a repo appciation such as virtualbox, or https://www.vmware.com/support/contacts for vmware support fo the product they provide
[21:53] <pseudonymous> spidernet: in a nutshell, full administrative access via the web
[21:54] <majod> is there any way i can check if ati DPM is working? or is it even available in trusty?
[21:54] <Kuwanger> I'm not quite sure if it's a bug or something else, but some times ctrl+c/ctrl+z in bash in screen doesn't seem to work.  Is there a reason for that?
[21:54] <Spidernet> pseudonymous: have u check the groups you belong to? probably you are not part of the sudo group
[21:54] <jhutchins> majod: DPM?
[21:55] <mrtAkdeniz> holstein, As I said, I will try if It won't work :\ but I don't want virtualbox really, it feels like "old and slow"
[21:55] <majod> jhutchins: dynamic power management
[21:55] <wye> Hey, installed the new xubuntu a few days ago. I'm getting dropped to an initramfs screen, I ran ubuntu boot repair but it didn't do anything. Here's the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7294702/
[21:55] <holstein> mrtAkdeniz: its just a supported, in repo option..
[21:55] <n-iCe> wye: #xubuntu
[21:55] <pseudonymous> spidernet: the ubuntu docs says I should just need to be part of 'lpadmin' (which isn't true, it seems) - But I'm a member of: adm,cdrom,sudo,dip_plugdev,lpadmin,sambashare
[21:55] <mrtAkdeniz> holstein, I know :\
[21:55] <rymate1234> hey, how come the scrolling behaviour with a touchpad isnt consistant? for example, in system monitor the scrolling is precise, whereas in firefox it just seems to emulate a scroll wheel
[21:56] <mrtAkdeniz> anyway holstein , Is there a log file for that installation? Maybe It will help
[21:56] <Spidernet> pseudonym: ok the groups are even enough... does the gui allow you to add printers and manage the jobs with respect to the classes?
[21:57] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, I used "sudo ./VM.." still same.. It went to "uninstall" on the half of the Installation process
[21:57] <jake> can someone help me with ibus real quick, I am having issues on xubuntu 14.04
[21:57] <rauch_> Anyone experience mouse/keyboard freezing? Have to switch to another TTY and back to get it working again
[21:58] <wye> n-iCe: I figured my problem was beyond the desktop flavor so I posted here.
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> rauch_: once its working again, run: dmesg | tail ,see whats going on
[21:58] <mrtAkdeniz> oh holstein ActionParsnip, It gave me an error on terminal
[21:58] <mrtAkdeniz> it says : File "/usr/lib/vmware-installer/2.1.0/python/lib/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 0
[21:58] <mrtAkdeniz> SyntaxError: ('unknown encoding: ISO-8859-1', ('/usr/lib/vmware-installer/2.1.0/python/lib/sqlite3/dbapi2.py', 0, 0, None))
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: sounds like a bug
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> rauch_: are the devices plugged into USB3 ports?
[21:59] <mrtAkdeniz> Will something change If I install sqlite3 manually?
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: worth a punt
[22:00] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, worth a punt? I'm not English, I dunno phrases :\
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: yes, give it a go (basically)
[22:00] <mrtAkdeniz> oh ok ^^
[22:01] <Daghdha> I just tried upgrading but it warned me my gfx is not supported and i might end up with a realy slow system :( So i cancelled it. *snif*
[22:01] <Daghdha> But i did onderstand right that in future more chipsets will be supported and i may have one that will then be supported?
[22:01] <mrtAkdeniz> Someone using AMD Radeon HD 7670M ?
[22:01] <annikkawoods> I got origin downloaded through playonlinux but every time I try to open it the error that Wine crashed comes up. I'm a novice with this and don't know what to do now. I'm not really finding answers in the forums.
[22:01] <jakedj93> I cannot switch to other inputs using ibus, when I press add, it flashes for a second then goes away
[22:02] <jakedj93> anyone know how I might fix
[22:03] <lagbox> anyone use swappiness 0 ?
[22:03] <kevin> heeeey. something up with ubuntus package repository site? Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[22:03] <kevin> when trying to do an apt-get
[22:03] <k1l_> lagbox: i dont use swap at all
[22:04] <lagbox> as in you don't use a swap partition ?
[22:04] <pvl1> lagbox: im currently not using any swap
[22:04] <k1l_> lagbox: yes. with enough ram and no hibernation i am fine
[22:04] <pvl1> kevin: try changing servers
[22:05] <lagbox> i have 6gb never had an issue with running out of memory ... maybe ill set swapiness 0
[22:05] <minimec> Daghdha: COuld you be more specific? So you have 13.10 running, but Ubuntu warns you that your GPU will not be supported anymore? Could it be that supported in the restricted driver ended, and that the card will now (only) be supported by the opensource driver?
[22:05] <ortix> hi guys, i can't seem to get vnc or xrdp to work on my ubuntu 14.04 machine
[22:05] <ortix> i keep getting a gray screen no matter what I do
[22:05] <ortix> i have pretty much tried every solution i could fin
[22:05] <ortix> d
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> Ortix: what are you wanting to do on the remote PC when you get it working?
[22:06] <ortix> i need to access the router to which its connected
[22:07] <crackoscl> :\
[22:07] <ortix> ActionParsnip: i need to do some configuring inside a browser
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Ortix: could use an SSH tunnel, set your browser to go down the tunnel then access the router's web page.
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Ortix: a bit sleeker
[22:08] <ortix> hmm sounds like a solid plan
[22:08] <ortix> ActionParsnip: just google ssh tunnel windows 8 i assume?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> ortix: you set thentunnel up using putty, then set the http proxy in your web browser to localhost port whatever
[22:09] <mrtAkdeniz> ActionParsnip, holstein keep in mind guys, I tried "sudo LANG=en ./VM.." and now It works
[22:10] <trism> jakedj93: which ubuntu version? in recent versions you configure your input methods in System Settings/Text Entry
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> mrtAkdeniz: nice
[22:10] <mrtAkdeniz> I am using Turkish version of ubuntu, I think problem was because of Unicode
[22:10] <mrtAkdeniz> anyway, thanks for helps :) have a good day Sir
[22:11] <jakedj93> Xubuntu 14.04
[22:11] <trism> jakedj93: hmm not sure how it is configured on xubuntu
[22:11] <jakedj93> I don't see this "Text Entry" anywhere, I can get to an Ibus preferences page
[22:11] <jakedj93> that seems to list everything I have installed just fine
[22:12] <ortix> ActionParsnip: i;m in thanks
[22:12] <jakedj93> when I click add it adds for for a millisecond then takes it off
[22:12] <Daghdha> minimec; the setup said it detected (i am paraphrazing)  that i have a Graphics chipset that's not supported and as a result upgrading to 14.04 (From 12.04) might result in a slow, almost unusable, desktop.
[22:12] <jakedj93> I had to install ibus on synaptic, so I am not sure if I am missing something
[22:12] <Daghdha> minimec; then the text said they advice not to upgrade and the NO option was highlighted
[22:13] <k1l_> Daghdha: the 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade will be opened on 24th july
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> Ortix: people use vnc for all sorts of stupid stuff instead of actually thinking then realising their is a better, quicker and sleeker solution.
[22:13] <Daghdha> I used some commandline feature
[22:13] <annikkawoods> Okay, got Origin up and running, but now I need to change the resolution because I didn't change it when I installed it. Do I need to uninstall and reinstall?
[22:13] <Daghdha> That starts the update.
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> ortix: so i alwaysnask the purpose of the connection. I can usually give a better solution
[22:15] <Ayonae> annikkawoods: Is this EA Origin?
[22:15] <annikkawoods> Ayonae: Yes it is
[22:15] <SKELETR0N> is there a way to upgrade to 14.04 from term?
[22:15] <minimec> Daghdha: Could you give us the output of lspci of that machine. Paste it on paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link. I guess your card is still supported. But indeed, if you are on 12.04, you could stay on that distribution and wait for better support for your card in the opensource driver.
[22:15] <SKELETR0N> i have a VPS server without xwin
[22:15] <Spidernet> SKELETON; do-release-upgrade
[22:16] <rww> SKELETR0N: to 14.04 from what?
[22:16] <pseudonymous> Ok this is past the point of being ridiculous
[22:16] <SKELETR0N> 12.04
[22:16] <Daghdha> minimec http://pastebin.com/48DnHK77
[22:17] <pseudonymous> Does *anyone* have a working /etc/cups/cupsd.conf where they can log in an add a printer via the web interface ?
[22:17] <rww> SKELETR0N: 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade offering is disabled until 14.04.1 to give the repositories time to settle down and get stability fixes. You can override that with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:17] <Daghdha> hmm radeon 2100, i coulda swore it had intell
[22:17] <k1l_> SKELET0R: that update to 14.04 will be opened on 24th july. when 14.04 will become 14.04.1
[22:18] <SKELETR0N> rww: thanks!
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> SKELET0R: you can force the upgrade but i suggest you wait for the first point release
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> SKELET0R: is Precise working for you?
[22:19] <SKELETR0N> ActionParsnip: I dont know if precise is working, im using digitalocean and it let me just upgrade the kernel to 14.04 but i want the dependencies upgraded to because yeoman is being quirky
[22:20] <waltercool> A little question, I want to install Ubuntu on a specific btrfs subvolume, can I do it using a livecd?
[22:21] <trism> jakedj93: there is an ibus bug referenced in the xubuntu 14.04 release notes, could be related to why it isn't working for you: bug 1284635
[22:21] <waltercool> I know, Ubuntu usually uses @ for root, but I have a custom btrfs subvolumes for my Linux distros and other partitions
[22:21] <trism> jakedj93: it is the reason ibus wasn't installed by default for you
[22:21] <lagbox> im hoping all this latency is from swappiness
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> waltercool: yes, use the 'something else' option and set the partition as /
[22:22] <darkangel> curious* When u have a Ubuntu development branch version, could Ubuntu developers, do Development in ur computer?
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: are you using a non compoziting window manager?
[22:22] <lagbox> no
[22:23] <lagbox> compiz
[22:23] <lagbox> well unity compiz
[22:23] <waltercool> ActionParsnip: Yes, but will install Ubuntu on a subvolume called @, can I specify the subvolume name?
[22:23] <lagbox> i think it is the swapping
[22:23] <Daghdha> minimec and also http://pastebin.com/mQqQE6ZC
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> lagbox: install xfce4, log off and log in to XFCE, may make it faster for you. Or if you are using Precise then try Ubuntu 2D session
[22:23] <waltercool> ActionParsnip: I need it for a custom /boot and a predefined / called Ubuntu
[22:24] <lagbox> haven't had this prob before ... but then again this is the first time i have any ubuntu version installed in 64
[22:24] <minimec> Daghdha: Ok. So there is (at least) basic support for your card in the opensource 'radeon' driver. One solution would be to test the performance with a 14.04 install CD/USB. You could then check if the performance fits your needs. I guess support will be ok for normal computer work, but not for extensive gaming. Lucky as you are, you can always stay on the 12.04 LTS and wait for newer radeon driver versions with better support.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> waltercool: as long as you set the partitions it should be fine as far as I know.
[22:24] <Daghdha> minimec thanks, i shall be patient.
[22:24] <minimec> Daghdha: Looks like support for your card with fglrx was even dropped before 14.04.
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> Daghdha: there is a legacy ppa for older radeon chips
[22:25] <minimec> Daghdha: You might be surprised... These open source drivers arent that bad anymore, at least for certain cards.
[22:26] <waltercool> ActionParsnip: But Ubiquity don't give you a subvolume option =/
[22:26] <minimec> Daghdha: ActionParsnip: that would also be worth a try...
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> waltercool: i see
[22:26] <waltercool> minimec: Opensource radeon isn't a bad driver btw
[22:27] <lagbox> ActionParsnip,  i will see how the next boot goes after some new settings go into place .. should remove the swapping issue
[22:27] <waltercool> minimec: a lot of Steam devs are using the opensource instead binary, because supporting "mesa" drivers will support intel and radeon at time ;)
[22:28] <minimec> waltercool: I only use it on a very old pentium m with a radeon 9600, and its faster than the fglrx driver ever was at the time. So I agree...
[22:28] <jamesd> how do i disable compiz for a login on 14.04?
[22:29] <xangua>   jamesd ubuntu unityuses compiz
[22:29] <k1l_> jamesd: install and use another dsktop then unity.
[22:29] <jamesd> how do i put it on a diet... i'm running in a vmware don't need fancy graphics... its a pig
[22:30] <k1l_> jamesd: use unity-tweak-tool to remove eyecandy like shadows etc. or use the lxde desktop
[22:30] <Ayonae> jamesd: Try lubuntu (lxde) or you do need a gui? You can run headless.
[22:31] <Ayonae> jamesd: You might also be able to enable 3d acceleration in the hypervisor
[22:33] <Daghdha> minimec THat GPU is coming from inside my CPU? WOuld buying a more recent faster CPU with more recent GPU help?
[22:34] <nsh> THE WHO WAS BUS
[22:34] <nsh> *then
[22:36] <jhutchins> Daghdha: A newer chipset is LESS likely to be supported now.
[22:38] <minimec> Daghdha: I cannot give you an answer, as I don't have much experience with amd/ati cards anymore. It looks like the AMD people are beginning to collaborate quiet well with the opensource community, and there will be a lot of changes for the fglrx driver in the future. That's all I heard.
[22:39] <Daghdha> jhutchins: Newer than my current, it will still be pretty old as this mobo don't support new bleeding edge CPU's
[22:39] <Daghdha> minimec i decide i will not upgrade
[22:40] <Daghdha> Infact it's hard to even find CPU's for this mobo
[22:40] <minimec> Daghdha: That's ok. If you are still happy with 12.04, why not.
[22:41] <codygman> I need help with .Xmodmap and making my macbook pro act like its not a mac keyboard: http://paste.debian.net/94746/
[22:41] <Daghdha> Yes, i am. Thanks for help minimec. Everyone else. CU :)
[22:44] <alket> do you know any good "collaborative sketch" ?
[22:48] <netwrkmstr> Hi everybody.
[22:48] <newbie|4> hi
[22:49] <s7x> Any ideas here? I am trying to get Guitar rig to work under wine. It loads up just fine, but I cannot seem to select any other input device other than pulseaudio which doesnt allow me to select my USB hardware(soundcard/device) so do I need to fix this from a wine standpoint? I tried installed jackd server but still can only select pulseaudio in wine as the audio device (sound card)
[22:50] <netwrkmstr> What type of sound card do you have?
[22:52] <s7x> i have internal and then the USB sound card i plug my guitar into is tascam us-100
[22:52] <energizer> hey i think i have a problem -- do i? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7295090/
[22:53] <netwrkmstr> into your browser? yes
[22:53] <s7x> energizer: cpu getting too hot?
[22:53] <energizer> yup
[22:53] <s7x> energizer: stop overclocking
[22:53] <s7x> heh
[22:53] <energizer> im not!
[22:53] <playx> hi. some parts of my desktop are totaly blur. any help?
[22:54] <netwrkmstr> :-)
[22:54] <s7x> energizer: do you have corsair hydro cooler?
[22:54] <tarepanda> I made a software RAID 5 array with mdadm and it's reporting 6.6 TB as opposed to the 9 TB I'd expect (3 TB x4). Is anyone around who could help me work this out?
[22:54] <s7x> netwrkmstr: any ideas?
[22:55] <energizer> s7x i don't have corsair hydro
[22:55] <s7x> energizer: get one? are you using stock cooler?
[22:55] <Ayonae> energizer: Is this a machine that is running some process that is using the cpu continually tha you want stopped. or is this a hardware cooling question?
[22:55] <energizer> s7x ya from intel
[22:55] <s7x> energizer: also, is hyperthreading turned on in bios? what cpu do you have?
[22:56] <energizer> Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz × 8
[22:56] <krabador> hi, i need to chroot ubuntu from live, i've a separate /home
[22:56] <s7x> energizer: try turning off hyperthreading, and making sure speed step is turned off and also what someone else said, check top to make sure a process isnt eating up CPU
[22:56] <krabador> i must mount it or i can leave it unmounted?
[22:56] <s7x> energizer: or get a real cooler, stock coolers suck
[22:57] <ghostx562> how to hide all these join/leave messages on xchat?
[22:57] <tarepanda> Or does anyone know a better channel for me to get mdadm/RAID help on?
[22:57] <s7x> krabador: depends on what u need to do, if u need to modify something in /etc as root, then dont need /home
[22:57] <playx> here is an example: http://postimg.org/image/yr4ahetnd/
[22:57] <Ayonae> i dont see why he needs to adjust anthing. if he isnt overclocked and it's not running 100%, then it's a hardware issue. intel stock coolers on the boxed processors are OK so its proababy jammed up with dust or the airflow in your case is poor
[22:58] <Ayonae> energizer: Sorry my line above is meant for you
[22:58] <newbie|4> :)
[22:58] <Ayonae> s7x: What issue do you have with the intel stock cooler?
[22:59] <s7x> Ayonae: I dont have one at all, someone else did where CPU was 98C
[22:59] <Ayonae> s7x: They aren't like the cheap GPU ones
[22:59] <ghostx562> got it
[22:59] <newbie|4> :)
[22:59] <s7x> Ayonae: hyperthreading can raise cpu extra amount too and hyperthreading is pretty pointless for most applications
[23:00] <energizer> Ayonae: I didn't think of the cpu-killer process idea. i checked my sysmonitor, and banshee was taking 75% cpu. back down to 68 degrees now
[23:00] <newbie|4> !
[23:01] <jakedj93> Is anyone else using Xubuntu 14.04 and using Ibus successfully?
[23:01] <Ayonae> energizer: I would clean the fans and make sure there is airflow inside the case, then monitor the system carefully until you're sure it won't cook off
[23:01] <s7x> energizer: even with cpu at 100% shouldnt get that hot tho unless like someone said, bad airflow, hyperthreading, etc...
[23:01] <Ayonae> energizer: You can blow smoke into the case to see the airflow path
[23:02] <Ayonae> s7x: While I agree that turning it off might help, he shouldn't need to unless he has a hardware problem
[23:02] <s7x> except there are mostly disadvantages from a application standpoint to running hyper threading, faster to leave it off (for most people)
[23:03] <energizer> ya i don't think i have a problem anymore, just banshee was acting up in the background. i have the case open. down to 50 degrees now
[23:03] <s7x> Any ideas here? I am trying to get Guitar rig to work under wine. It loads up just fine, but I cannot seem to select any other input device other than pulseaudio which doesnt allow me to select my USB hardware(soundcard/device) so do I need to fix this from a wine standpoint? I tried installed jackd server but still can only select pulseaudio in wine as the audio device (sound card)
[23:04] <energizer> sta7ic:  you think its worthwhile to get corsair hydro tho, just in general?
[23:04] <Ayonae> sta7ic: I find that quite controversail, do you have benchmarks etc for it?
[23:04] <Ayonae> energizer: More cooling will be good. Just it might be noisy.
[23:04] <sta7ic> energizer: not if you can stay cool, but even with cpu at 100% shouldnt get 98C
[23:04] <sta7ic> when not overclocked
[23:04] <RiotingPacifist> loginctl list-sessions shows no active sesions, is this normal?
[23:04] <sta7ic> Ayonae: plenty of tests on the web for each
[23:05] <newbie|2> d
[23:05] <Ayonae> sta7ic: Yes I know, they seem to disagree with what you said. That's why I asked you which ones I should look at.
[23:05] <julio> hi
[23:05] <sta7ic> Ayonae: overclockig benchmarks with hyperthreading on vrs off
[23:06] <Ayonae> sta7ic: You tell me. You're the one saying it sucks.
[23:06] <energizer> Ayonae: u saying corsair hydro will be noisier than stock intel? (i always thought hydro was quieter, though i've never used it before)
[23:06] <Ayonae> energizer: Hydro in general is cooler
[23:06] <Ayonae> energizer: I have no idea. Adding cooling will be a good thing if done properly.
[23:07] <Ayonae> energizer: *quieter*
[23:07] <Ayonae> energizer: but that particular hydro unit, i have never used
[23:07] <Ayonae> energizer: What I meant to say, is hydro in general is quieter. you have 1 pump vs multple fans
[23:07] <sta7ic> Ayonae: toms hardware, i dont have to justify anything to you
[23:07] <sta7ic> leave it on
[23:07] <sta7ic> idgas
[23:08] <semitones> is there a way to find out what boot options the kernel was given for the current session?
[23:08] <energizer> Ayonae: i see. do you recommend a particular liquid unit?
[23:08] <rww> semitones: cat /proc/cmdline
[23:08] <Ayonae> sta7ic: I am asking you for a specific link. If you can't provide that, I can't evalualte whether or not you are correct.
[23:09] <semitones> rww, thanks!
[23:09] <Ayonae> energizer: No, I can't remecommend you a specific one.
[23:09] <sta7ic> Ayonae: but i dont care if u think im correct or not, read top 10 links on it
[23:09] <sta7ic> i did
[23:09] <energizer> sta7ic: that corsair hydro has fans, huh? do you find it quieter than pure aircooled?
[23:09] <sta7ic> energizer: mine is pretty quiet
[23:10] <energizer> Ayonae: sta7ic: word. thanks yall.
[23:10] <RiotingPacifist> can somebody check if 'loginctl list-sessions' lists any sessions for them?
[23:10] <sta7ic> energizer: i have an older one tho where now i think there might be push pull system with 2 fans in the newer models
[23:10] <penguin42> RiotingPacifist: Does on kubuntu for me
[23:10] <Ayonae> sta7ic: It's been nice talking to you. It's a shame you repeatedly refuse to provide reliable citations; I now have to assume you are deliberately trolling.
[23:11] <sta7ic> energizer: sounds like you fixed the problem anyway, so why fix it if it aint broken now =)
[23:11] <RiotingPacifist> penguin42: thanks
[23:11] <sta7ic> Ayonae: i care what a lil kid on irc thinks
[23:11] <sta7ic> =]
[23:11] <sta7ic> Ayonae: even if i paste a link, u will find something debatable just to argue, and thats not why i am here
[23:12] <sta7ic> so whats the point
[23:12] <penguin42> my Intel supplied fan/heatsink set used to overheat on my i7, got a reasonable 3rd party one - large fan, lot of metal - runs 40c cooler under load and quieter
[23:12] <hexafraction> Hi, I have a realtek RTL8187 USB wifi card, and it's reported as hard-blocked in spite of its not having a hard block capability.
[23:13] <hexafraction> rfkill does not address the issue
[23:15] <hexafraction> The card in question is an alfa AWUS036H. This is a Trusty x64 desktop live CD, not Backtrack (although it works fine in the latter)
[23:16] <SKELETR0N> is there a way to search in nano?
[23:16] <hexafraction> SKELETR0N: Yes, Ctrl+W
[23:16] <SKELETR0N> hexafraction: thanks :)
[23:17] <hexafraction> No problem. Do you think you can help me with my wifi problem I mentioned above? :)
[23:17] <ppinto> I Am trying to use my Raspberry PI as a cups print server. I have successfully set it up to use a raw print queue
[23:17] <BIBILLE> SD
[23:18] <ironhoof> I have something asking for bulletsoftbody, I can't seem to locate it, what, and where is it?
[23:18] <ppinto> (I Used a raw print queue because the pi i so feeble)
[23:18] <sta7ic> Any ideas here? I am trying to get Guitar rig to work under wine. It loads up just fine, but I cannot seem to select any other input device other than pulseaudio which doesnt allow me to select my USB hardware(soundcard/device) so do I need to fix this from a wine standpoint? I tried installed jackd server but still can only select pulseaudio in wine as the audio device (sound card)
[23:18] <SKELETR0N> hexafraction: wish i could but i dont know anything about wifi, mine have all just been supported out of the box
[23:18] <foist> What's the best terminal app? I've tried Gauke and Terra.
[23:18] <hexafraction> OK.
[23:18] <ppinto> I can print from my wie's mac, but I am having no luck from ubuntu laptop (printer output is garbage)
[23:18] <GraemeLion> foist: Best at what?
[23:19] <hexafraction> I also can't authenticat to ask ubuntu all of a sudden., so this is the best place where I can get help. Not too warm a welcome...
[23:19] <foist> GraemeLion: I guess I'm looking for something that supports themes, as I want to use Solarized Dark, and isn't stubborn with multi-monitor support like Guake is.
[23:19] <semitones> If I have a low-res boot screen, does that simply mean that my graphics card doesn't support higher resolution boots?
[23:19] <sta7ic> gnome-terminal hah
[23:20] <ironhoof> xterm
[23:20] <SKELETR0N> hexafraction: have you tried updating with sudo apt-get update?
[23:20] <sta7ic> semitones: it probably means your console doesnt support framebuffer?
[23:21] <hexafraction> Shouldn't be an issue, this is  Tahr live CD I just downloaded and burned. There's an rtl8187 module loaded with insmod
[23:21] <sta7ic> semitones: like having frame buffer support compiled into the kernel, you mean to get the console at higher resolutions right?
[23:21] <GraemeLion> foist: I just use gnome-terminal for that tbh.  Using something like this: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/solarized-must-have-color-paletter-for.html
[23:23] <minimec> foist: xfce4-terminal has quiet a lot of configuration options, like 'start without windows decorations and others. And it doesn't need much xfce dependencies. I use it as my irssi chat terminal.
[23:24] <ironhoof> is there a repo for libbullet-dev?
[23:24] <semitones> sta7ic, I mean, the boot screen (with "ubuntu" and the loading buttons) is text instead of graphic
[23:24] <Pessimist> What's a good way to disable screensaver (lightlocker) while flash or any other certain X app is running? I'm on 14.04. The latest caffeine version for 14.04 doesn't turn off screensaver automatically, it just adds a indicator for screensaver; lightsOn.sh doesn't support lightlocker. Any other ideas?
[23:28] <Beldar> ironhoof, I see it in the ubuntu repos, be sure the dependencies or apps are the correct name.
[23:29] <Beldar> !info libbullet-dev
[23:29] <ironhoof> Beldar: yea bulettesoftbody
[23:30] <ironhoof> bulletsoftbody*
[23:31] <hexafraction> Posted over on Ask Ubuntu if anyone knows about the issue. https://askubuntu.com/questions/451702/alfa-awus036h-reported-as-hard-blocked
[23:31] <Beldar> ironhoof, "In component universe" check the software sources that universe is open
[23:32] <sta7ic> hexafraction: this is a stupid question but ill assume you did sudo or as root to unblock cmd?
[23:32] <ironhoof> alright, checking
[23:33] <hexafraction> sta7ic: Yes, I did (but not on the first time, I caught the mistake)
[23:34] <hexafraction> I'm going to be on school grounds and have to use their public WiFi with this card fairly soon... They won't go for my using Ethernet due to their network config
[23:35] <semitones> I see this answer, but I don't really understand how that package is relevant to the solution, or if it will work for me http://askubuntu.com/questions/431564/how-do-i-fix-ugly-boot-screen-when-using-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-13-10
[23:36] <lix> since I upgraded to trusty tahr server, my interfaces seems to have been named p3p1 and em1, instead of eth0, eth1 etc. - how come ??
[23:37] <gilll69> i need help
[23:37] <gilll69> how can i make my own irc work
[23:37] <gilll69> its working now
[23:37] <gilll69> but only on my PC
[23:37] <sta7ic> semitones: i remember something like that, your not using the X.org nvidia drivers but using the proprietary nvidia drivers right?
[23:38] <semitones> I think I'm using nouveau, but how can one be sure, really?
[23:38] <semitones> no wait, i'm using nvidia-319
[23:39] <sta7ic> semitones: did you manually download from nvidia, or do you run 'additional drivers'?
[23:42] <netwrkmstr> You should be able to using the additional drivers to solve the nvidia issue. There's other options besides going with the nouveau drivers.  Depending on the NVidia Card you have you should be able to select the updates above the nouveau driver that's currently installed.
[23:43] <Bashing-om> semitones: Terminal commands -> sudo lshw -C display , lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga <- To see your graphics card and info .
[23:44] <semitones> sta7ic, additional drivers
[23:44] <sta7ic> semitones: and you went away from using the X.org driver correct?
[23:45] <semitones> yes, I am only using the proprietary binary
[23:45] <sta7ic> semitones: this may not help you, but if you switch back, you may be able to confirm the ugly boot is gone which would narrow your search of why
[23:45] <semitones> ok, I can try that.
[23:45] <semitones> thanks!
[23:45] <sta7ic> x.org drivers are pretty good anyway
[23:46] <semitones> yeah they are -- I think steam asked me to install the proprietary one
[23:46] <sta7ic> i have amd/ati and i stopped using proprietary driver in x, as the x.org may even be better (which is totally sad)
[23:46] <sta7ic> haha
[23:46] <netwrkmstr> lol
[23:46] <sta7ic> ah yeah if you are gaming on steam, that is a different beast, but at least you can confirm and narrow your search
[23:47] <playx> damn i hate this. the is some kind of blur effekt over all my windows
[23:48] <sta7ic> playx: are you using unity or fallback session?
[23:48] <playx> unity
[23:48] <sta7ic> playx: you might want to try fallback session, and if that doesnt work, try fallback session (without effects)
[23:48] <sta7ic> two options there
[23:49] <casual_llama> Hi, does YouTube HTML5 making Firefox use 1 core at 100% sound like a video driver problem? It does that at the beginning, and should I pause the video then and continue, it runs using 2-5% of a core.
[23:49] <playx> and waht is this bug? it comes after install nvidia driver
[23:53] <kman> Hi guys, I would need to do some partitions on my pc, do I need to do it with gparted via live cd or I could do it from my normal ubuntu os?
[23:54] <Bashing-om> kman: From a liveDVD, file systems must be unmounted to mess with the partition tables.
[23:54] <sta7ic> kman: really depends on what you are trying to do and which partitions/drives your modifying
[23:54] <playx>  gnome-flashback it works fine. so unity is broken?
[23:54] <thaicares> how would you start SLiM display manager from terminal?
[23:55] <MathCubes> How do I install "Gnome Software"
[23:55] <anuraag_> MathCubes, what do you mean by GnomeSoftware?
[23:55] <MathCubes> @anuraag_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HreexQ8Tdk
[23:56] <MathCubes> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2014/03/24/gnome-software-3-12-0-released/
[23:56] <kman> well now i upload a little screenshot of what I have in my HD
[23:57] <hisforever> is there a good weather Ape for Zorin Os?
[23:57] <OerHeks> MathCubes, check that guys urls, he is using Fedora
[23:57] <bazhang> hisforever, ask in the zorinOS support channel
[23:57] <MathCubes> @OerHeks so Why can't I get it... I am using gnome-shell
[23:57] <hisforever> ok ty
[23:58] <jpalmer> I just accidetnally upgraded an EOL LTS version of ubuntu,  to a non-LTS version.  is there an easy way to upgrade it again, to a new LTS and avoid the non-LTS versions?
[23:58] <sta7ic> playx: understatement about unity being broken =]
[23:58] <sta7ic> haha
[23:58] <anuraag_> MathCubes, are you running gnome as your display manager?
[23:58] <MathCubes> @OerHeks it would look nicer than Ubuntu software center which is chap.
[23:58] <MathCubes> I am using Gnome-Shell as my DE


[15:45] <Odd_Bloke> Either I've been unlucky in my timing or staging has been offline for a while...
[15:48] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I think there was a DB restore failure or similar.  Perhaps qastaging will do the job?
[15:49] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Yep, could well do; is there a summary of what data/auth is used where that I could reference?
[15:49] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: internally, https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Instances
[15:50] <cjwatson> basically we use qastaging for code QA and staging for DB patch QA; both have a copy of the production DB although are restored on fairly different schedules; qastaging uses production SSO, staging uses staging SSO
[15:50] <cjwatson> what are you doing?
[15:55] <Odd_Bloke> Testing bug updates.
[15:55] <Odd_Bloke> s/bug/automated bug/
[15:56] <Odd_Bloke> So, yeah, qastaging will be fine. :)
[15:56] <Odd_Bloke> Better, in fact, because I won't have to faff around with different creds.
[15:58] <cjwatson> That should be fine on qastaging, yes.
[18:27] <dpm> cjwatson, yay, LP built my first snap! :)


[00:36] <bryceh> RAOF, so what I've been thinking is the more bugs we can get sent upstream right now in this period between betas, the better
[00:36] <bryceh> at the moment most of the software is relatively up to date enough that upstream will care,
[00:36] <bryceh> and its still early enough we can pull in patches if/when they become available
[00:37] <RAOF> And we've got time to do something about any fixes!
[00:37] <bryceh> past beta2, we're probably going to see diminishing returns
[00:37] <bryceh> so after beta2 it makes sense to focus on key bugs and general testing
[00:39] <bryceh> I'm not sure what we should or can do about the proprietary driver bugs
[00:39] <RAOF> Neither am I.
[00:40] <bryceh> time spent on them may not be as high a pay off as time spent on foss drivers, so focusing on the latter seems to make the most sense
[00:40] <RAOF> Well, I guess we can try to work out whether it's a packaging problem or not and fix those.
[00:40] <bryceh> yep
[00:40] <RAOF> I'm somewhat surprised we haven't seen more nouveau bugs, actually.
[00:40] <bryceh> yeah me too
[00:41] <bryceh> I think I've heard more people *say* they have nouveau troubles than we have bug reports
[00:42] <bryceh> but it's been such a quasi-supported driver for so long maybe they've become accustomed not to report stuff
[00:42] <RAOF> I'm somewhat suspicious, yeah.  Particularly with some of the newer nvidia cards; there's a possibly resolved bug upstream that causes the newer cards to hang quite frequently when accel is enabled, but we don't *seem* to be seeing many of those bugs.
[00:43] <RAOF> Maybe you're right; we've conditioned people to expect poor outcomes :/
[00:44] <bryceh> it was the same with -ati long ago, I think things'll change, but the driver needs to get closer to par first probably
[00:45] <RAOF> And maybe not have the 3d in -experimental-no-really-don't-report-bugs.
[00:45] <bryceh> from http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs it sounds like they accept 3d nouveau bugs now, filed against mesa, so that sounds promising
[00:45] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's new and shiny and interesting.
[00:46] <bryceh> maybe it would be sensible to organize a nouveau 3d testing week next cycle or something
[00:46] <RAOF> It would, yes.
[00:48] <RAOF> I suspect we'd find that most things work well, newer cards hang after a while, and some things just don't work.
[00:48]  * bryceh nods
[00:49] <bryceh> probably what would give the most bang for the buck is some gpu hang debugging tools for nouveau
[00:50] <bryceh> since judging from other drm drivers that seems to be the primary bugbear with 3d
[00:51] <RAOF> Yeah.
[07:01] <tjaalton_> RAOF, bryceh_, Sarvatt: so what do we do with 1.10.1 when it arrives? there are a whole bunch of memleaks fixed, among others
[07:04] <tjaalton> i'd also like to push libx11 1.4.2 in natty, been using it for a couple of weeks without problems
[07:07] <RAOF> What does it fix?
[07:08] <tjaalton> "Additionally, Jamey Sharp has provided some fixes for Display lock handling
[07:08] <tjaalton> that caused some deadlocks when using xcb for transport (which was optional
[07:08] <tjaalton> in 1.3.x and is required in 1.4.x), so this update is highly recomended to
[07:08] <tjaalton> users of multi-threaded Xlib applications.
[07:08] <tjaalton> "
[07:08] <tjaalton> oops
[07:09] <tjaalton> there's bug 507602 which could be cured by that
[07:09] <ubot4`> tjaalton: Bug 507602 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/507602 is private
[07:09] <tjaalton> hell it is
[07:09] <tjaalton> oh
[07:09] <tjaalton> bug 507062
[07:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 388) (dups: 266) (heat: 2410)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062
[07:10] <RAOF> Sounds like a reasonably useful fix.
[07:14] <tjaalton> rest are here http://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg52211.html
[07:14] <tjaalton> do we still need ffe's for bugfix-releases
[07:14] <tjaalton> ?
[07:15] <RAOF> No.
[07:15] <tjaalton> oh, so this could just go in? sweet
[07:15] <tjaalton> if you are for it, of course :)
[07:15] <RAOF> :)
[07:15] <tjaalton> there's also 1.4.3 which only adds some define for sinhala
[07:16] <RAOF> I remember reading a lot of those patches; they looked trivially correct.
[07:20] <RAOF> Do you have test packages available?  I guess they're in alioth git?
[07:21] <tjaalton> let me check
[07:21] <tjaalton> at least they are on my local trees
[07:22] <tjaalton> hum, should be fine yes
[07:23] <RAOF> I'll give 'im a try, then.
[07:23] <tjaalton> cool
[07:25] <RAOF> As for 1.10.1, I guess that depends on how soon it's out.
[07:26] <RAOF> I haven't followed the patches flowing there quite so much.
[07:26] <tjaalton> yeah, there's <IP_ADDRESS>1 from last week, after that it got the memleak fixes from tiago
[07:26] <tjaalton> I'll merge it locally and see if it fixes the menus on my savage
[07:29] <bryceh_> I'd like to get as many fixes in as possible between now and release.  Cherrypicking is great, if there are bugfix releases available which we're reasonably certain don't add regressions, those are good too
[07:30] <tjaalton> there are no regression fixes merged to the branch after .901
[07:31] <tjaalton> not that it means there couldn't be regressions, but
[07:32] <bryceh_> we've still got 3 weeks to go, plus sru's after that.  So there's time to fix things as long as we're attentive to bug reports coming in
[07:33] <bryceh_> I feel a lot more comfortable given that the bug queue has been kept under control.  We're not drowning in bug reports, so I feel we're going to be able to spot and respond to regressions that come up between now and release very quickly
[07:33] <bryceh_> so I'm not super worried if we pull in 1.10.1 and it has a regression or two, that it's going to be a huge deal.
[07:33] <tjaalton> right
[07:33] <bryceh_> but like raof says, sooner is better :-)
[07:33] <tjaalton> so I'll prepare .901 in git
[07:33] <tjaalton> and test it here
[07:34] <bryceh_> oh, also, I just noticed http://lwn.net/Articles/437018/ - has anyone pulled that fix in yet?
[07:34] <tjaalton> then it's closer to .1 once it's released
[07:35] <tjaalton> sarvatt pulled it in x11-server-utils
[07:35] <bryceh_> ok
[07:35] <tjaalton> xrdb 1.0.9 that is, x11-s-u isn't released yet though
[08:21] <tjaalton> i'll close bug 312756, it just messes up my mailbox
[08:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 312756 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: support graphics card hot switch (affects: 249) (dups: 2) (heat: 1350)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312756
[08:22] <bryceh_> heh
[08:22] <tjaalton> nice that the "hybrid graphics linux" -project uses that bug to gather dst information
[08:23] <tjaalton> and not their own project bugs (there are none, of course)
[13:21] <tjaalton> Sarvatt, bryceh_: bug 752315 done apart from the uploads
[13:21] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 752315 in x11-xserver-utils (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 5 other projects) "[SECURITY update] Sync x11-xserver-utils 7.6+2 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752315
[13:22] <tjaalton> used the same bug for hardy/karmic/lucid/maverick
[13:23] <tjaalton> and pushed ubuntu-{lucid,maverick} to git
[15:41] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I went ahead and reverted the sandybridge speedup in git, never managed to get it working on just GT2 and not GT1 :(
[16:28] <tjaalton> merged xserver <IP_ADDRESS>1 from experimental
[16:28] <jcristau> had to redo your xrdb updates?
[16:28] <tjaalton> yeah they wanted the patch separate, not inline
[16:29] <jcristau> ok
[16:29] <tjaalton> and fixed the changelog too
[16:29] <jcristau> i was too lazy to bother with quilt so i just edited the patch and git am'ed it
[16:30] <tjaalton> i cherry-picked it, applied fine on every release :)
[16:30] <tjaalton> i think
[16:30] <jcristau> yeah
[16:30] <tjaalton> didn't build-test them though
[16:31] <jcristau> just had to s,xrdb.c,xrdb/&,g
[16:31] <jcristau> because of the bundle thing
[16:31] <tjaalton> ah right
[16:35] <jcristau> other than that, yeah, it applied without fuzz or anything :)
[16:35] <jcristau> yay for slow-moving sw
[16:38] <tjaalton> yep :)
[17:00] <jcristau> tjaalton: do you get to fix dapper as well?
[17:00] <tjaalton> jcristau: hmm, I believe this falls under the 3y desktop support, but I'll confirm
[17:01] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: ^
[17:02] <tjaalton> ha, lp lists it as supported
[17:02] <tjaalton> so, yes
[17:02] <jcristau> 6 months release cycles make for too many branches :)
[17:02] <tjaalton> yep!
[17:03] <tjaalton> i'd favor 1y cadence, and then every other release would be LTS
[17:04] <tjaalton> there, I said it :)
[17:06] <tjaalton> hmm doesn't apply
[17:06] <tjaalton> two hunks failed
[17:40] <mdeslaur> tjaalton, jcristau: this is the list for the current dapper supported packages: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/dapper-lts-server-supported.txt
[17:50] <tjaalton> yeah
[19:12] <bryceh_> tjaalton, thanks
[19:17] <bjsnider> ricotz, is gnome 3 fully built in the ppa now or...?
[19:25] <ricotz> bjsnider, kind of -- it is still missing some stuff
[19:25] <bjsnider> does it actually work at this point?
[19:26] <ricotz> i am using for some weeks now
[19:26] <ricotz> but you will loose the gnome2/unity session
[19:26] <bjsnider> gnome-shell works ok?
[19:27] <ricotz> so far it does
[19:27] <ricotz> but it will be more stable with 3.2 ;)
[19:30] <bjsnider> is it playing well with the nvidia driver?
[19:30] <ricotz> yes, besides the message-tray-slowness
[19:32] <bjsnider> how soon before the rest of the packages are in the ppa?
[19:33] <ricotz> i dont know, the desktop-team is quite busy with natty, and my time is limited too
[19:33] <ricotz> do you miss something?
[19:34] <ricotz> i hope gdm will get in soon
[19:40] <bjsnider> i just want to test it after everything's in
[19:40] <bjsnider> probably has a better chance of working
[19:59] <ricotz> bjsnider, you are not brave enough? ;)
[20:06] <bjsnider> ricotz, unity is already more than unstable enough for me. i will not tempt fate any more.
[20:06] <ricotz> ;)
[20:07] <bjsnider> at least it works fast with nvidia, when it isn't crashing
[20:09] <ricotz> i havent used unity yet -- i am obviously more a docky fan :P
[20:10] <bjsnider> why do you need docky if you have gnome-shell?
[20:20] <ricotz> bjsnider, i like to have dock
[20:20] <ricotz> i know there is a dock extension, but it dont have the features
[20:26] <bjsnider> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nbi8JuC8JM
[20:26] <bjsnider> ricotz, is that what it looks like to you?
[20:43] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes
[21:25] <cnd> bryceh_, help me out :)
[21:26] <cnd> I can't find the release notes on the wiki anywhere
[21:26] <cnd> neither google nor wiki searching help
[21:26] <cnd> do you remember where they are?
[21:27] <bryceh_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[21:27] <bryceh_> cnd, release notes are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[21:28] <bryceh_> probably ought to be linked to more prominently.  Wonder if we can update the topic here?
[21:29] <bryceh_> nope
[21:29] <cnd> bryceh_, they used to be at MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes
[21:30] <cnd> it's not so obvious anymore :)
[21:30] <bryceh_> yeah
[21:34] <ScottK> RAOF or Sarvatt: I've got this sandybridge laptop now.  It' mostly good, but there's some pretty bad screen corruption in some cases.  Any hope for this getting better?  Any thing I can help with on testing/bug filing?


[00:26] <jcristau> kees: actually, i think it doesn't matter. if width*height overflows, you don't really know if the error value is height or width
[00:26] <jcristau> so choosing width makes as much sense as the other one
[00:38] <kees> jcristau: heh, yeah, fair point
[00:39] <jcristau> kees: you had me worried for a while ;)
[09:24] <tjaalton> "GEM merging to master"...
[19:11] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, should we branch xorg/xorg-server for hardy?
[19:11] <tjaalton> and merge the current branch with experimental
[19:13] <bryce> perhaps, although I'm not sure if we'll have a lot of changes for the hardy xserver
[19:14] <bryce> (I also find having to give my password 3x to do a git pull to be irritating, but anyway) :-)
[19:14] <bryce> merging the current branch with experimental is a good idea
[19:15] <bryce> at yesterday's meeting, doko and slangasek were talking about giving MoM an ability to do merges of not just Unstable, but also the option of Testing and Experimental.  But I'm guessing that'll be a while.
[19:15] <tjaalton> put an RSA key there, DSA keys don't work :)
[19:16] <bryce> well I don't think I can ssh in anyway
[19:16] <tjaalton> to alioth? you should be able to
[19:17] <tjaalton> you can add the key from the web interface
[19:17] <bryce> ah ok
[19:17] <bryce> last I tried was a couple weeks ago, maybe things have changed
[19:19] <bryce> yeah it just hangs.  I'll try the web interface
[19:20] <tjaalton> hmm that's weird, mine keeps asking for the password without a key
[19:27] <tjaalton> tseliot: I haven't had a chance to look at the package yet :/
[20:06] <Q-FUNK> howdy
[20:06] <Q-FUNK> has there been any report of the -intel that just entered hardy-updates disturbing suspend/hibernate?
[20:07] <Q-FUNK> both pm-utils and -intel received new packages over the last couple of days.
[20:08] <bryce> heya Q-FUNK
[20:08] <Q-FUNK> heya :)
[20:10] <tseliot> tjaalton:no problem, superm1 reported a few problems but I haven't had the time to fix them today
[20:22] <bryce> Q-FUNK: btw yesterday I was looking again at the -geode pci id fix to xserver and noticed the patch wasn't actually enabled
[20:22] <bryce> Q-FUNK: it's enabled properly on intrepid though.  Have you had a chance to test against intrepid?
[20:23] <Q-FUNK> hm?!
[20:23] <Q-FUNK> not enabled?
[20:23] <Q-FUNK> oh, to x server
[20:24] <Q-FUNK> yes, it turns out that debian completely skips xf86config and instead uses the pic id provided by each driver
[20:24] <Q-FUNK> at least, that's how it appears to me
[20:24] <bryce> sounds right
[20:24] <Q-FUNK> (others are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong)
[20:24] <bryce> ok, so the patch in ubuntu9.1 is irrelevant?
[20:25] <Q-FUNK> probably
[20:25] <bryce> yeah that sounds right to me
[20:25] <bryce> ok cool, I'll update the sru request
[20:25] <Q-FUNK> I haven't entirely figured out whether debian completely skips the content of that file or wheter it complements it with the driver.ids that comes in each chip driver
[20:26] <Q-FUNK> jcristau probably knows better than me, on that issue
[20:27] <Q-FUNK> as for the -nsc fix, pitti pointed out that he'd rather have someone figure out a way to revert the Makefile.am patch that generates nsc.ids and replace it with my static list, rather than accept my completely overhauled package
[20:27] <Q-FUNK> I guess it makes sense.  the delta would be a lot smaller.
[20:28] <Q-FUNK> whoever manages to do it, we can also contribute it to debian.  it would save bgoglin the trouble of figuring out how to do this on his way back from vacations.
[20:36] <bryce> Q-FUNK: ok, then sounds like there should be new bugs opened for those two issues
[20:43] <Q-FUNK> for -geode, though, we pretty much have to move forward and adopt what I have in my PPA as-is.  trying to force-fit the update into the 2.8.0 packaging paradigm won't work.
[20:44] <Q-FUNK> and we cannot upload this without the fixed -nsc being uploaded first, becuase of the versioned conflit
[20:45] <bryce> hmm, in that case maybe it just can't be sru'd to hardy at all
[20:47] <Q-FUNK> pitti tells me that it might be a though case.  however, either we do it or we end up with a broken LTSP in LTS for the next 3 years.
[20:47] <Q-FUNK> and yes, moving those symbolic links to the transtional -amd package is the only clean way to do this
[20:49] <bryce> -geode uploaded
[20:49] <Q-FUNK> erm..... which one?
[20:50] <bryce> the one in your ppa
[20:50] <Q-FUNK> if we don't first upload the fixed -nsc, we actually break what little operativity we had
[20:50] <bryce> I'm doing that one next
[20:50] <Q-FUNK> the -geode in my PPA depends upon the fixed -nsc having been uploaded first
[20:52] <bryce> it seemed to build fine
[20:52] <Q-FUNK> yup, but it deviates from the XSF framework, which is why pitti found it totally unacceptable as an SRU
[20:52] <bryce> howso does it deviate?
[20:53] <bryce> ok, -nsc built... uploading
[20:53] <bryce> ok uploaded
[20:53] <Q-FUNK> debian has the same reservations about my cdbs-based refactoring, which is why both pitti and bgoglin would prefer simply removing the makefile.am patch and replacing it with a simple install of the static nsc.ids I produced
[20:54] <kees> bryce: can you confirm on i386 that the DBE-DoS PoC is fixed in intrepid?  so far it's unfixed for me in hardy and gutsy.
[20:54] <bryce> whoops, you had hardy listed there... need to set that to intrepid
[20:54] <kees> jcristau: did you confirm that DBE-DoS was fixed in your builds?  I'm still seeing a DoS with it
[20:55] <bryce> Q-FUNK: ok well once you have that let me know and we can re-upload the fixed version to intrepid
[20:56] <bryce> kees: unfortunately my intrepid testing box is amd64
[20:56] <bryce> kees: (at your recommendation ironically enough ;-))
[20:56] <bryce> ooh, new -ati release
[20:57] <bryce> erf, first need to finish up the -intel 2.3.1 upload though...
[20:57] <kees> bryce: sure, but you can run an i386 kvm on it, yes?
[20:57] <bryce> dunno, I don't have kvm set up on it at all
[20:58] <bryce> kees: anyway since we're running the same version of xserver, if you can't verify it on hardy it almost certainly is also busted on intrepid.
[20:58] <kees> bryce: well it seems that the DBE stuff isn't fixed, so I'd like to figure out how to get it fixed.
[21:05] <kees> bryce, jcristau: err... it seems actually that there was no fix made for the DBE stuff?
[21:05] <bryce> kees, hrm, I'm not sure what I could do to help there
[21:12] <bryce> I'm not sure what you mean by 'DBE'.  There isn't a reference to "DBE" in the advisory?
[21:12] <kees> bryce: yeah, that's what I'm seeing too.  Perhaps it was skipped for now?
[21:12] <kees> I'll assume so, and get these updates tested for regressions.
[21:13] <bryce> well, what is DBE?
[21:13] <kees> everything else looks great in them -- all the PoCs fail now.  :)
[21:13] <kees> notes in the PoC say: DOUBLE-BUFFER extension
[21:21] <bryce> ok maybe jcristau knows more
[21:25] <kees> yeah, I assume it's an unaddressed issue.
[23:18] <jcristau> kees: the dbe dos wasn't considered a security problem
[23:20] <kees> jcristau: okay, cool.  it certainly is a DoS though.  ;)  owchy on my VMs
[23:20] <kees> filled / before I figured out what was going on.  hehe
[23:21] <jcristau> heh
[23:23] <jcristau> the fix on master is at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=23e71ef71a178505494d4b410f9314acfff81524
[23:23] <jcristau> but, it won't apply directly on previous versions, and when an attacker has access to your x server you have other problems anyway
[23:25] <kees> jcristau: yeah, I'm fine with that getting skipped.  :)


[09:08] <Toki> nlsthzn: You're on the K?!
[09:09] <nlsthzn> Toki: hey, I was... until yesterday
[09:09] <nlsthzn> well, technically I am still in the K...
[09:09] <nlsthzn> KDE
[09:09] <nlsthzn> :p
[09:09] <nlsthzn> but not Kubuntu
[09:09] <Toki> Back on U, then?
[09:09] <Toki> Yeah, I see "K"onversation. :)
[09:09] <nlsthzn> openSUSE 11.4 KDE
[13:40]  * nlsthzn lurks
[13:57] <Toki> nlsthzn: Sorry, I had to go.
[13:58] <Toki> So did you go hopping from Ubuntu again?
[13:58] <nlsthzn> Toki: hey , np... I was went to bed for a few hours... killer flu/cold got me good
[13:59] <Toki> nlsthzn: Bird flu? :o
[13:59] <nlsthzn> Toki: doubt it... seasonal flu I am guessing
[13:59] <Toki> I kid, have a good rest... dabbling with GNU/Linux, that is...
[13:59] <Toki> :)
[14:00] <Toki> Summer cold, eh?
[14:00] <nlsthzn> Toki: :) but yes... back using Geeko's playing ground :)
[14:01] <Toki> ... And Geeko is...?
[14:03] <Toki> nlsthzn?
[14:03] <nlsthzn> busy looking for the best link to explant
[14:03] <nlsthzn> *explain
[14:03] <Toki> Ah, sorry for the trouble.
[14:03] <nlsthzn> http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=AaL&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=p_HDTZngBcHYrQfisqCABQ&ved=0CDEQvgUoAA&q=geeko&nfpr=1&biw=1280&bih=692
[14:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:03] <Toki> Oh, and did Ii mention that my laptop's down in water?
[14:04] <nlsthzn> it is the name of the opensuse mascot
[14:04] <Toki> Ah, I see,
[14:04] <Toki> Uses GNOME Shell by default, oS?
[14:05] <nlsthzn> not yet... but they have packaged it first... so the official gnome-shell demonstraters are fedora 15 and openSUSE
[14:05] <Toki> By the way, Xubuntu looks pretty good though I couldn't get it to install on my P4 system, for reasons unknow.
[14:06] <Toki> *unknown
[14:07] <nlsthzn> strange, I have just heard good things about Xubuntu recently
[14:08] <nlsthzn> but then again, even Kubuntu 11.04 is the best in a long while and it is still struggling for stability against other KDE offers
[14:08] <Toki> Yeah, the Live session's good, unlike the installer.
[14:09] <Toki> Too much effort on Unity, and neglect of base system, maybe?
[14:10] <nlsthzn> Toki: well, even Mark has said Unity is a kind of a public beta... and I do think it was too much too soon ... however, the spin-offs never get the same amount of attention...
[14:11] <nlsthzn> Kubuntu has zero branding by defualt... nothing to say it is Kubuntu and not just another distro with KDE 4.6
[14:11] <Toki> I don't know why no branding goes into Kubuntu when even Xubuntu and Lubuntu has some.
[14:12] <Toki> Kubuntu does have it's own logo, Pretty stupid that there's no branding inside.
[14:15] <nlsthzn> Toki: I usualy changed the menu launcher icon to the kubuntu logo at least so I knew I was using Kubuntu... if you see how much effort goes into openSUSE to brand everything, even the libre office splash screens... so much attention to detail
[14:16] <Toki> Aye, it's just sad.
[14:26] <nlsthzn> the one good thing Kubuntu has going for it is that it has mostly the same ease of use options that Ubuntu has... software center (but not the option of paid apps)... and also still no Ubuntu 1 :/
[14:31] <Toki> Ubuntu One should wok no problem since the underlying structure is the same.
[14:32] <Toki> Only the integration Nautilus enjoys would be missing.,
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Toki: their is currently nothing available officially... the windows client is almost done but nothing for Kubuntu :/
[14:36] <nlsthzn> really feels like Canonical is going for the money with this
[14:38] <Toki> I think they feel it's important, since many users switch from Windows in office to Ubuntu back home - you get the dea.
[14:38] <nlsthzn> Toki: maybe
[14:42] <Toki> Maybe schmaebey, but that doesn't excuse the neglect.
[14:43] <nlsthzn> I agree...
[14:43] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:43] <Toki> The python backend works regardless of the DE, so how dfficult would it be to write a simple frontend?
[14:44] <nlsthzn> seems it is more difficult than we imagine (or more difficult to find someone with time to do it)
[14:47] <Toki> Gotta file a bug report. :)
[14:49] <nlsthzn> :) I filed several bug reports for Kubuntu, but they all got filed in KDE ... all been marked as duplicates and got lots of angry mails that we should stop spamming about known issues... none of the issues in openSUSE yet
[14:49] <nlsthzn> but I did get a repo that has most of the latest versions of a lot of applications which helps
[14:55] <Toki> Were they really duplicates according to you?
[14:56] <Toki> nlsthzn
[14:57] <nlsthzn> Toki: maybe... thing was, when I read the reports they where from other distro's... so I decided to make a new one... seems however that it was the same KDE issue so they are still duplicates... I am used to filing bugs for Ubuntu in launchpad.... only one distro :)
[14:57] <Toki> I see.
[15:04] <Toki> By the way, do you have any machine running Intel VGA?
[15:06] <nlsthzn> yup, my lappy I am currently using
[15:07] <Toki> Do you experience this bug? http://slinkyourphotosup.blogspot.com/
[15:07] <Toki> Oops!
[15:08] <Toki> Do you experience this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/740893
[15:10] <Toki> What version s your kernel version? nlsthzn
[15:11] <nlsthzn> Toki: no, I hadn't had that issue yet... but I have intel 945 graphics
[15:11] <nlsthzn> currently using <IP_ADDRESS>-1.2-pae
[15:12] <Toki> Try *.38.
[15:14] <nlsthzn> why?
[15:16] <Toki> nlsthzn: To see the bug affects you.
[15:17] <Toki> 37 shows no problem for me, 38 is the ssue,
[15:18] <nlsthzn> I am not using the same Intel graphics system and I was able to run Natty just fine on this laptop (I think natty uses .38)...
[15:20] <Toki> I see.


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[21:29] <hggdh> persia: which membership are you trying to regain?
[22:48] <persia> hggdh ~ubuntumembers, but I figure doing MOTU stuff is probably the easiest path.
[22:57] <hggdh> persia: actually, all you need is to ask :-)
[22:57] <hggdh> persia: on it
[23:01] <persia> Heh.  I'll still try to do some dev stuff though, as I'd feel guilty otherwise :)
[23:10] <hggdh> persia: you most certainly should help out
[23:11] <persia> Excellent :)
[23:11] <Unit193> By sponsoring uploads from the little people.  I'm a little people, hello! ;)
[23:28] <persia> Unit193: For that, I am no larger than you :)