[01:13] <Arizona_Bay> hey guys what is the best messenger to receive and send custom emoticons? I should include from different messenger clients
[01:16] <Arizona_Bay> ?
[01:17] <zkriesse> Hmmm
[01:17] <zkriesse> Probably pidgin I would think
[01:17] <zkriesse> Bu that depends upon what clients you intend to receive from
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> no its not working ; __ :
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> people who use msn live i cant see their smileys and they cantt see mine
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> msn live mostly
[01:19] <zkriesse> Hmmm
[01:19] <zkriesse> I would have no idea the
[01:19] <zkriesse> "then"
[04:47] <deper29> hey guys, I'm wondering if someone can help me get my sound working on my TV. I'm trying to use this guide, but it isn't working http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/
[04:52] <holstein> deper29: HDMI out not working?
[04:52] <deper29> video is, but not the audio. I gave up on that quest :(
[04:52] <bioterror> I have same problem
[04:52] <holstein> yup, it happens
[04:52] <bioterror> works fine with radeon card, but what comes to nvidia
[04:52] <deper29> I figured I would just run audio cables through my sound card and all would be good
[04:53] <holstein> deper29: i have only helped setup the audiophile with JACK
[04:53] <deper29> bioterror: with HDMI sound?
[04:53] <holstein> you should be able to install pavucontrol and select it for pulse though
[04:53] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[04:53] <deper29> hmm
[04:53] <deper29> seems I already have that installed
[04:54] <holstein> give it a look... its something like pulse mixer... or pulse audio settings.. im not sure where you find it in unit
[04:54] <holstein> y
[04:55] <deper29> ran pavucontrol
[04:55] <holstein> you might need to undo this http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/
[04:55] <bioterror> deper29, yes, with hdmi audio out
[04:55] <deper29> ICE1712 is my selected playback
[04:55] <holstein> i would probably just try a live 11.10 CD and install pavucontrol... and go from there
[04:55] <holstein> it *should* work in 10.04 though
[04:56] <deper29> how do I undo that?
[04:56] <holstein> that card has support
[04:56] <deper29> I was silly and didn't make a backup of that file :/
[04:56] <deper29> bioterror: were you able to get yours going?
[04:56] <bioterror> no, not with the nvidia ion
[04:56] <bioterror> last time I recommend nvidia to someone :D
[04:57] <deper29> darn
[04:57] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712
[04:57] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over playing audio out of that card... i mean, it'll be better, but not *that* much better
[04:58] <deper29> it'd be nice to have some sort of audio that can go to my TV though
[04:58] <holstein> use the internal card
[04:58] <deper29> it's either that or tackle that stupid HDMI thing
[04:58] <holstein> or some $4 USB thingy
[04:58] <bioterror> yeah, I threw my stereos to recycling bin. would be nice to have audio from hdmi to tv
[04:59] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta crash.. feel free and ask in #opensourcemusicians deper29 ... but i dont know anyone using that *without* JACK
[04:59] <deper29> thanks holstein
[04:59] <holstein> that = the audiofile 2496
[05:00] <deper29> I mean, I can boot into windows and watch my tv shows and movies, but I really shouldn't have to :P
[08:03] <truepurple> I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system
[08:03] <truepurple> Can anyone help?
[08:06] <truepurple> Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[11:10] <allenyk> i've got a question here. does lubuntu have any wubi support?
[11:17] <Snicksie> I'll take alook for you allenyk :)
[11:17] <allenyk> thanks
[11:19] <Snicksie> it seems it supports wubi install allenyk :)
[11:20] <Snicksie> according to this message: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03783.html
[11:20] <Snicksie> ah, wait...
[11:20] <Snicksie> seems like it doesnt :(
[11:21] <allenyk> but lubuntu iso i downloaded only has the "ubuntu wubi install" option
[11:23] <geirha> Keep in mind that Lubuntu IS Ubuntu. The only difference is that they have a different set of packages installed by default.
[11:24] <geirha> If you install Ubuntu, you can convert it to Lubuntu by removing and installing the right set of packages, and vice versa.
[11:24] <Snicksie> geirha, of course its easier not having to fix packages to have lubuntu ;)
[11:25] <geirha> Aye, but if the Lubuntu offers a "Ubuntu Wubi install", I'm sure it'll install Lubuntu.
[11:25] <Snicksie> on the lubuntu iso there are only the lubuntu packages usually... So you should be able to install lubuntu via wubi
[11:25] <geirha> *the Lubuntu iso
[11:26] <allenyk> ah thanks snicksie & geirha
[11:27] <allenyk>  since i am a beginer, i don't konw which packages should be removed and installed
[11:28] <allenyk>  any details about the difference between the packages of ubuntu and lubuntu?
[11:29] <geirha> You don't have to worry about that. You have the Lubuntu CD, so it will install Lubuntu.
[11:29] <geirha> The main difference is the desktop environment.
[11:30] <allenyk>   but after i choose "ubuntu wubi install ", there is no sign that i am installing lubuntu
[11:31] <allenyk> and someone on line says it's a bug of the lubuntu iso
[11:31] <geirha> That it says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu?
[11:32] <allenyk>   yeah
[11:35] <geirha> https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/175074
[11:35] <geirha> Ah ok, that more or less answers it. wubi install is not officially supported for lubuntu.
[11:35] <geirha> Any reason why you don't want to do a standard install of Lubuntu instead?
[11:37] <allenyk> for some work i have to do rely on the softwares in windows environment
[11:37] <allenyk> maybe in future i can totally replace windows with linux
[11:39] <allenyk>   maybe there are other ways that lubuntu can be compatible with winddows. but i am familiar with them yet
[11:40] <geirha> allenyk: You can install it along side windows
[11:40] <geirha> You don't need wubi for that.
[11:42] <geirha> You boot from the CD, and choose install. The installer will give you the option of wiping the disk and install lubuntu on the entire disk, or to shrink your windows and install lubuntu next to it.
[11:42] <allenyk> oh yeah i've seen the option"install linux alongside windows" in virtual box. but i am afraid it will ruin my windows partrition since it doesn't tell me where to install it
[11:45] <geirha> doesn't tell you where to install it? what do you mean?
[11:46] <allenyk> in windows i divide the whole disk into C,D,E,F volumes and windows is installed in C. i am afraid the installation of lubuntu will wipe the C volume
[11:49] <geirha> It won't
[11:49] <geirha> However, there's a third option
[11:50] <geirha> if you resize one or more of your partitions, leaving it as unallocated space, you can tell the installer to use the unallocated space.
[11:51] <allenyk> oh i got it. i can choose the third option to decide where to install it
[11:51] <geirha> Though the unallocated space should be contigous
[11:51] <allenyk>   thanks a lot, geirha
[11:51] <geirha> Yes, by manually doing the resizing yourself.
[11:51] <geirha> Since you've already divided your harddrive into multiple partitions, you probably know how to do that. :)
[11:52] <allenyk>    yeah, i know what to do now. sorry to bother you with my silly questions. thanks again
[11:53] <geirha> No bother. Keep asking whenever you have a question. It's what this channel is for.
[11:55] <allenyk> it's my first time to be here, and it's really a nice experience to ask questions here. i think it's a pretty good start for my linux learning
[12:13] <truepurple> I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> hey there!
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> I have some problem with watching video on my Ubuntu 11.10
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> there is a strong screen tearing
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> I tried to use both smplayer and vlc
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> but none of them helped
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> can anybody help me with this?
[12:33] <Snicksie> truepurple, if its all right you should be able to view all processes instead of just your processes in system monitor. does that show you what process it is?
[12:33] <Snicksie> Mad_Bear, do you have the correct graphical drivers installed? maybe thats causing problems :)
[12:34] <Mad_Bear> I've installed proprietary drivers
[12:34] <truepurple> Snicksie, I am not sure what you mean
[12:35] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, what video card?
[12:35] <Mad_Bear> GTX460 768mb
[12:35] <Snicksie> truepurple, are you using system monitor to check what processes are taking up so much cpu and memory usage? :)
[12:35] <truepurple> yes
[12:35] <Snicksie> in that case you should be able to show all processes in view -> all processes
[12:36] <truepurple>  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:36] <Mad_Bear>  truepurple: GTX460
[12:36] <truepurple> It says i am using much more ram and CPU then listed processes say they are using
[12:38] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, I can't help you much, I wrestle with having a AMD radeon 6850 and its driver issues myself. But it is likely to be a driver problem anyway, though getting more codex might help you too, got the forbidden content thing or what ever its called?
[12:38] <truepurple> settings in the video card driver might also help
[12:39] <Mad_Bear>  truepurple: I've enabled all vsync options that I could
[12:39] <Mad_Bear> in Nvidea driver and in CCSM
[12:39] <Mad_Bear> nothing has helped
[12:40] <truepurple> Well there are other settings that can address such things sometimes, but if you can't find any settings that help, look to the other two things I mentioned
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> but there was some moment when I switched to Gnome classic
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> and everything was all right
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> there was no tearing
[12:41] <truepurple>  and then after awhile it came back?
[12:42] <truepurple> Snicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:42] <Mad_Bear> when I've returned to Unity it has come back, yes
[12:42] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, when its in classic mode, no matter how long, its not there?
[12:42] <Mad_Bear> yup
[12:42] <truepurple> Um, simple solution then
[12:43] <truepurple> I think you can figure it out
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> maybe it's because there are no Compiz there?
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> but I like Compiz
[12:43] <truepurple> But if you really like unity (bleh) then try unity 2d
[12:43] <truepurple> I can't even get unity 3d to work for me
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> I still think there is some option that can handle with that
[12:44] <truepurple> As I said, try unity 2d, it must have most all the same features
[12:44] <Mad_Bear> I tried 2d - it didn't help
[12:44] <truepurple> It could be a driver issue then
[12:45] <truepurple> Maybe unity version is using a different driver? I don't know much about linux myself
[12:45] <truepurple> Just started using it earlier this year
[12:46] <truepurple> Snicksie, you still there?
[12:46] <Snicksie> yep :)
[12:47] <truepurple> Snicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:47] <Snicksie> I dont know how to fix it then :(
[12:47] <Snicksie> maybe there are other people here or in the #ubuntu channel who do
[12:48] <truepurple> Snicksie, could it be someones hijacked my system somehow? Or got one of those programs on that use my computation power for other things? Or are there more simple explanations you can think of?
[12:49] <Snicksie> I dont know, sorry :(
[12:50] <Snicksie> maybe its just something in the kernel that takes too much cpu and/or a memory leak...
[12:50] <Mad_Bear> maybe you guys can tell me how to change the visual style then?)
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> I tried to install ambiance blue
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> followed all the instrustions provided
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> but Ubuntu is still orange
[12:52] <truepurple> I can't help you with that in any way but trying to reason through it with you
[12:56] <truepurple> Snicksie, and if it was in the kernal, it wouldn't list in processes?
[12:56] <Snicksie> I dont know :)
[13:14] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:25] <truepurple> hi
[13:26] <truepurple> helper or helpE fox?
[13:27] <s-fox> truepurple,  IRC works best when you ping a correct ID ;)
[13:27] <s-fox> In this came I am here to help.
[13:28] <truepurple> I actually meant not to ping you then
[13:28] <truepurple> s-fox, I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[13:33] <s-fox> I am not sure truepurple .
[13:43] <truepurple> yofel,  I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[13:46] <Unit193> truepurple: It's not nice to randomly directly ask a person that changes his name a question that he can just scrollup to see.
[13:47] <truepurple> Didn't know it was mean
[13:47] <truepurple> I will try to keep that in mind
[13:47] <s-fox> Thank you.
[13:48] <head_victim> truepurple: regarding your ram - http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ regarding your CPU - I'd run top in a terminal and watch it. When the CPU Core spikes it will show what process is using it. If nothing shows up as using it then report it as a bug
[13:50] <truepurple> head_victim, How do I run top in terminal? It seems there is always 1 core at max, and it just randomly changes which one is at max.
[13:50] <head_victim> truepurple: open a terminal and type in "top"
[13:53] <truepurple> head_victim, there is a entry in top always at 100%  435 root      16  -4 1373m 1.3g  356 R  100 16.9 679:37.40 udevd
[13:54] <head_victim> What version of Ubuntu do you run?
[13:55] <truepurple> 11.04
[13:56] <head_victim> That implies it's constantly trying to find your hardware.
[13:56] <truepurple> What hardware?
[13:57] <truepurple> I mean which hardware?
[13:57] <head_victim> At least now you know what the issue is I'd start googling around something like "ubuntu 11.04 udevd using cpu"
[13:57] <head_victim> No idea without poking around in logs
[13:57] <head_victim> If you run the command "dmesg | tail" it might give you some idea
[13:58] <head_victim> Actually, apparently if you run the "udevadm monitor" command it wil give you the output of udev
[13:58] <truepurple> head_victim, do you think it has anything to do with the very long load time for my PC, and the fact that it hangs with different screen stuff sometimes when shutting down?
[13:58] <head_victim> They're likely related.
[13:58] <truepurple> And is there a way to get a screen shot or log of a stuck log off screen?
[13:59] <head_victim> truepurple: no idea, I'd try the udevadm monitor and see what that says first.
[13:59] <head_victim> Fix that and see if the other problems are fixed with it
[14:00] <truepurple> Ok I put in udevadm monitor, its giving me a continuous long stream of stuff going by too fast to read, interrupt it or let it run for awhile?
[14:00] <truepurple> Well some of it is too fast to read, the rest never changes so is easy to read
[14:00] <head_victim> I'd hit control+C which will stop it
[14:01] <head_victim> THen you should be able to scroll up in the terminal and read some of it. Pastebin it if you like
[14:01] <truepurple> Ok, the stuff here doesn't make any sense to me
[14:01] <truepurple> I will give you a line, most all of its the same
[14:01] <truepurple> UDEV  [1324044055.637473] change   /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.4/2-1.4:1.0/host10/target10:0:0/10:0:0:1/block/sr1 (block)
[14:02] <head_victim> Ah, let me guess, you have set up an ntfs drive to automount?
[14:02] <truepurple> Line after line of that, with a few of the numbers changing
[14:02] <truepurple> Not sure, I know I added a partition, I think I made it ntfs
[14:02] <truepurple> I plan to eventually set up dual boot
[14:03] <head_victim> Well there is an issue there that you'll need to either remove the entry to stop it constantly trying to mount it or find out what's wrong with it and fix it.
[14:03] <truepurple> I found this thread, but I can't make much of the information it gives
[14:03] <truepurple> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9389319
[14:04] <truepurple> head_victim, how do I remove the entry?
[14:04] <truepurple> and find out what is wrong with that?
[14:04] <truepurple> I mean what?
[14:04] <head_victim> That thread isn't related to your issue, that thread was about a bug. Yours is doing what it's meant to be doing but there is an error in what you've set it up to do.
[14:05] <truepurple> I think this was doing this long before I added that partition though
[14:06] <truepurple> head_victim, sorry to be so clueless, but I am a bit lost, please provide more detail
[14:06] <head_victim> Ok so with that UDEV line you pasted, the long number is the timestamp of the event, the change is signifying that udev has tried to make a change, the devices bit is basically telling you that sr1 is causing the issues.
[14:06] <head_victim> OH I missed it, it might be a usb drive or device you have plugged in?
[14:07] <geirha> sr1, that sounds like a cd or dvd drive or something
[14:07] <truepurple> well, I do have a bad motherboard (pretty sure anyway), something causes my system to lose the USB flash drive sometimes anyway
[14:07] <head_victim> geirha: yeah, sounding like a usb dvd drive
[14:08] <truepurple> not seriously bad, but it causes some issues, need to exchange it with warranty one of these days
[14:08] <truepurple> The USB flash drive isn't lost now though
[14:09] <truepurple> head_victim, I don't have a usb DVD drive
[14:09] <truepurple> I have a internal one
[14:09] <head_victim> geirha: I'm not really sure what I'm looking at without poking around more, any ideas?
[14:10] <truepurple> Well give me instructions to poke around and I will
[14:11] <head_victim> truepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave
[14:11] <truepurple> want me to pastebin the output of them?
[14:11] <geirha> Do you have any cd/dvd drives currently connected via usb?
[14:11] <truepurple> no I said
[14:12] <geirha> Ah, sorry, missed that.
[14:12] <truepurple> I got a flash drive and a mouse connected via usb
[14:12] <truepurple> and that is it
[14:14] <head_victim> truepurple & geirha I have to head off for a while, if geirha isn't sure I'd just run the commands I listed above and just pore over the output to see if any of the lines match with some part of the UDEV output you had before. If you can match it to one device theny ou know exactly which piece of hardware is either faulty or not correctly installed.
[14:16] <geirha> I'd see if those UDEV lines kept coming if you disconnect the flash drive
[14:17] <truepurple> geirha, just dismount and try udevadm monitor again?
[14:18] <geirha> unmount and physically disconnect it
[14:19] <truepurple> then the udevadm monitor command again?
[14:19] <geirha> Yes
[14:26] <truepurple> geirha, when I try to safely remove the usb flash drive it says "Could not display "computer:///"." and "Error: location already mounted. Please select another viewer and try again"
[14:27] <geirha> Hum, weird
[14:27] <truepurple> and now when i try to click on it and use it, it says "Error mounting: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist"
[14:28] <truepurple> Even though it was working fine before I tried to dismount it
[14:28] <truepurple> above that, "unable to mount flash drive"
[14:32] <Snicksie> truepurple, the problem with location already mounted could be because you try to unmount it multiple times... I've got that sometimes too :)
[14:33] <truepurple> Snicksie, no, I have not tried to dismount it more then once this session
[14:33] <Snicksie> did you take your usb flash device out of the computer? :)
[14:33] <Snicksie> okay, maybe its just doubleclicked or so... but thats not important for now :)
[14:35] <truepurple> Snicksie, no, since it got all buggy and I dont even know if it is safe to remove or not
[14:35] <Snicksie> if you unmounted it, it should be fine to take it out of your computer
[14:36] <Snicksie> unless your computer is writing to or reading from your usb device, it is no problem to take it out :)
[14:38] <truepurple> well I dont know if it is unmounted, but ok
[14:39] <truepurple> geirha, now run  udevadm monitor despite errors?
[14:47] <Snicksie> truepurple, have you runned udevadm monitor yet? :)
[14:47] <Snicksie> if your usb is disconnected, you should do that and see if there are still errors ;)
[14:53] <jp_Hranice> I can not run Ubuntu Precise in low-graphic mode to allow nvidia graphic driver. Nobody answer on #ubuntu-testing.
[14:54] <Unit193> That's because you need to join #ubuntu+1 :)
[14:54] <jp_Hranice> heh  ???
[14:55] <Unit193> jp_Hranice: The support channel for Precise is #ubuntu+1 not #ubuntu-testing
[14:55] <jp_Hranice> Unit193:  Thank you
[14:56] <Unit193> You're welcome
[14:56] <truepurple> Snicksie, geirha  ran udevadm monitor after removing flash drive, same result
[14:57] <Snicksie> okay, in that case it might be another device that's troubling...
[14:59] <Snicksie> you have other usb devices except for your mouse? :)
 truepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave
[15:00] <Snicksie> just pastebin your output and we'll see if we can find a device that matches your udev output :)
[15:00] <truepurple> weird, I ran lspci -vv and there is a line "00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express R" and stuff under it, repeated 4 times, the only difference is the number after the c counts up from0
[15:01] <truepurple> I remember somewhere else there being a absurd amount of entries for a few things, but I can't recall where
[15:01] <truepurple> I mean in another program
[15:02] <truepurple> Sorry, I mean more then 4 times, not sure how many times that bit repeats
[15:04] <Snicksie> can you pastebin your output? :)
[15:05] <truepurple> http://paste.ubuntu.com/772283/
[15:05] <truepurple> Snicksie,
[15:05] <truepurple> for the first command
[15:06] <truepurple> Snicksie, the second command gives output too long to display it all, is there a way to increase terminals buffer limit?
[15:06] <truepurple> or should I just copy/paste what could fit?
[15:07] <Snicksie> if im correct, there's a way to pastebin it directly from your commandline. have a sec :)
[15:07] <Unit193> You should be able to pastebinit
[15:07] <Snicksie> yep, thats what I meant :)
[15:07] <Unit193> lsusb -vv | pastebinit
[15:08] <truepurple> Snicksie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/772287/
[15:08] <truepurple> I made a error anyway, I got the previous lines mixed up with the next ones
[15:09] <truepurple> snicksie, but the pastebin output is different then the one using the pastebinit command
[15:10] <truepurple> Snicksie, it discluded alot of "can't get hub descriptor: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> can't get device qualifier: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> can't get debug descriptor: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> cannot read device status, Operation not permitted (1)
[15:10] <truepurple> "
[15:10] <truepurple> stuff like that
[15:10] <Snicksie> Unit193, you think that command could be runned in sudo? :)
[15:11] <Unit193> It's just a normal pipe
[15:11] <truepurple> sudo did it though
[15:11] <Snicksie> :)
[15:12] <truepurple> Snicksie, here is the complete one for the second command http://paste.ubuntu.com/772293/
[15:13] <Snicksie> okay. you can see that line 240 has the same 00:1d as your line: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[15:13] <Snicksie>   iSerial                 1 0000:00:1d.0
[15:15] <Snicksie> seems its a problem with your usb...
[15:16] <Snicksie> I dont know what the problem and/or the solution is, i'm sorry :(
[15:26] <truepurple> geirha, head_victim, got any ideas?
[15:27] <truepurple> Snicksie, could it be caused by a defective MoBoard perhaps?
[15:27] <Snicksie> could be of course :)
[22:27] <LemonAid> Anyone got kernel panics on 11.04 x64 that could be related to firefox?


[07:17] <Saviq> veebers, since you've been taken away, shall we skip the sync until you can be back with us?
[07:18] <Saviq> veebers, mzanetti unless you have something to update us on ↑?
[07:20] <veebers> Saviq: sure, I intend to catch up with MacSlow  but other than that I have nothing really to share
[07:21] <veebers> Saviq: I believe you'll already know that Francis has told me there is hardware coming/put aside for the CI tests (which should drastically improve speeds etc.)
[07:21] <Saviq> veebers, for mediumtests?
[07:21] <veebers> Saviq: Also, I recall mzanetti mention that he wouldn't be available for the meeting (as he's on vacation?)
[07:22] <Saviq> veebers, right, he's away this week
[07:22] <mhr3> Saviq, could we get the proper form factor from unity8? it's a simple call, but i'm not sure what to base it off on the shell side
[07:22] <veebers> Saviq: yes, and maybe more? I'm going to catch up proper with Francis once he's back so will have more info then
[07:23] <Saviq> veebers, ok cool
[07:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: fwiw mzanetti is on leave
[07:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, just noticed the sudden addition to the leave list ;)
[07:24] <Saviq> mhr3, thing is, the shell doesn't know yet, either ;)
[07:24] <Saviq> mhr3, what's your current usecase?
[07:24] <mhr3> Saviq, home scope wants it, apps do, scopes will need it
[07:24] <mhr3> as in scopes scope
[07:25] <Saviq> mhr3, meaning phone vs. desktop?
[07:25] <mhr3> yea
[07:25] <Saviq> mhr3, let's just hardcode "phone" in unity8 for now
[07:25] <mhr3> fine with me
[07:25] <Saviq> mhr3, we did the same for indicators
[07:25] <Saviq> mhr3, cool, you do or we do?
[07:25] <mhr3> i will
[07:25] <Saviq> mhr3, cheers
[07:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know if gerry is back today or tomorrow?
[07:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should be back today, afaik
[07:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, canonicaladmin says so, too
[07:39] <tsdgeos> oki
[07:40]  * tsdgeos wonders why suddenly 12px in firefox gives me a much smaller font than in the rest of the apps
[07:53] <jamesh> sil2100: hi.  I had another look at the lucene++ compile problem and haven't been able to reproduce it.  I built a package into my PPA with just the ENABLE_STANDARD_ALLOCATOR=ON change without problem.
[07:54] <sil2100> jamesh: hi! Ok, good point, maybe my system is broken - thanks for the pointer, what I will do is also push my version to a PPA, see if it builds and if yes, I'll push it for sponsoring :)
[07:54] <sil2100> jamesh: so I guess we should have the new lucene++ this week
[07:54] <jamesh> thanks
[07:59] <mhr3> sil2100, we'll also need the media scanner
[07:59] <mhr3> afterall lucene is great, but we need the thing that uses it :)
[07:59] <sil2100> mhr3: could you e-mail me all the things we would need? Since you mentioned some patches that were needed there ;)
[08:00] <sil2100> Or I misunderstood something
[08:00] <mhr3> jamesh, could you? ^ you actually got it building :)
[08:02] <jamesh> mhr3: I've included packaging updates in my MP for the media scanner.  I need to sort out licensing before we can release it to the archive though
[08:05] <sil2100> jamesh: mhr3: ok guys, so if you could point me to all the branches in some e-mail I would be really grateful, as I am on holidays this week and only pop-up in the mornings ;)
[08:05] <mhr3> jamesh, but it'll still need new-ing etc, sil2100 ^ can you look at it before the license issue is solved?
[08:05] <sil2100> mhr3: where can I find it?
[08:05] <mhr3> sil2100, jamesh will email you the branches :)
[08:06] <sil2100> Neat
[08:06] <jamesh> sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/hollywood/saucy-fixes/+merge/178192 is what I've currently got
[08:07] <sil2100> jamesh: thanks! Will look into that later today
[08:07] <sil2100> See you around o/
[08:24] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[08:25] <tsdgeos> how do i connect to wifi now?
[08:25] <tsdgeos> i just have a knob to enable/disable
[08:25] <tsdgeos> but how do i seleect the newtork?
[08:44] <tsdgeos> grrrr
[08:45] <tsdgeos> the jenkins machines seem to be diyng as flies
[08:45] <tsdgeos> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/1596/console
[08:45] <tsdgeos> who's our contact for that now?
[08:45] <tsdgeos> mmrazik left, right? /me has vague memories
[08:48] <didrocks> tsdgeos: fginther and people from his team
[08:55] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[08:55] <tsdgeos> is the background now black?¿
[08:56] <greyback> tsdgeos: sounds like something has gone wrong for you
[08:56] <tsdgeos> well something regarding the background was merged
[08:56] <tsdgeos> r161
[08:57] <greyback> ah I thought you meant your desktop background
[08:59] <tsdgeos> but now is fine
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, did your wifi work after all?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah, i did reboot the phone and then it is working
[09:15] <Cimi> dednick, ping :)
[09:15] <dednick> Cimi: pong
[09:21]  * tsdgeos is trying mzanetti's ofono's patch but can't get the pin lock screen at all
[09:25] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: can I help... I have like 20 mins before jumping into the car
[09:25] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: should the PIN thing appear when running with run_on_device or do i need to install it + reboot?
[09:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: 1) SIM card pin is enabled?, did you reboot the phone after entering the SIM card?
[09:26] <tsdgeos> 1) i guess, the Z10 asks for it
[09:26] <tsdgeos> 2) no
[09:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: rild apparently does not support hot-swapping SIM card
[09:26] <dednick> larsu: ping
[09:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: booo
[09:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yep
[09:26] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ok, let me reboot
[09:27] <mzanetti> rsalveti: ^ :D
[09:27]  * greyback is convinced phone battery is still being consumed while phone is "off"
[09:27] <tsdgeos> greyback: well, you can adb shell to it (or at least i can) so most probably yeah :D
[09:27] <mzanetti> huh? we can adb shell the phone when its off?
[09:27] <mzanetti> that's scary
[09:27] <tsdgeos> that or i did not find the proper way to shut it down :D
[09:28] <tsdgeos> maybe it has to do with the devel/debug mode being enabled
[09:28] <greyback> tsdgeos: I remove battery, and then put i back in
[09:28] <mzanetti> greyback: ah...
[09:28] <mzanetti> it boots when entering battery
[09:29] <tsdgeos> greyback: well, i don't have a battery to remove, and to be honest that may well start it up, the z10 does when you do that
[09:29] <mzanetti> greyback: press the power button for 4 secs and it should really power off
[09:29] <greyback> mzanetti: wtf?!
[09:29] <tsdgeos> which tbh i hate it
[09:29] <dednick> mzanetti: sometimes it doesnt turn off. need to take battery out.
[09:29] <greyback> that's retarded
[09:29] <mzanetti> greyback: most phones do that
[09:29] <mzanetti> greyback: not saying that I like it...
[09:29] <greyback> doesn't make it right :)
[09:29] <mzanetti> ack
[09:30] <greyback> but explains my confusion
[09:30] <dednick> greyback: you have galaxy nexus?
[09:30] <greyback> dednick: yep
[09:30] <dednick> greyback: mine does the same when plugged into usb
[09:31] <Saviq> greyback, when you just pop the battery out and back in, shouldn't turn on
[09:31] <mzanetti> dednick: in case the phone shouldn't shut down with 4 secs power button, pressing it for 8 secs should do an ACPI power off
[09:31] <greyback> dednick: yep, that I noticed too. Which is ok
[09:31] <Saviq> greyback, but indeed it does (to show the charging screen) when you connect to a charger
[09:31] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: does it work now?
[09:32] <greyback> Saviq: yep that's fair.
[09:32] <Saviq> OTOH manta and mako seem to have a hard time of shutting down indeed (I can usually only get them to reboot)
[09:32] <Cimi> dednick, can we have a little chat in some mins?
[09:32] <dednick> Cimi: sure
[09:32] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: on it, somehow run_on_device wanted to recompile everything
[09:34] <greyback> LOL no wonder phone wouldn't start. I'd completely removed the battery :D
[09:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yessir, works now
[09:35] <tsdgeos> greyback: lol
[09:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: cool. make sure to read the description of the MR for the known issues.
[09:36] <tsdgeos> and i can even call my landline!
[09:36] <tsdgeos> which i obviosuly couldn't before becuase the sim was locked :D
[09:36] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1206941
[09:36] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: if you're taking over this MR for this week, make sure to watch out for this being fixed
[09:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well, it'd be cool to get this in, someone was asking for it in the ubuntu-phone ml
[09:37] <mzanetti> yep, seen that
[09:37] <dednick> mzanetti: i'm having some trouble reproducing that wifi issue. it seems to be very flaky. different processes sometimes go into a cpu hungry state and stay there. Sometimes unity8, sometimes chewie and sometimes  wpa_supplicant. Going to continue looking today
[09:37] <mzanetti> I'd love to see this in when I return next week. Even tough the small known issues it still has
[09:38] <mzanetti> dednick: cool, thanks. Yeah, I agree its a tricky one. But its also a real blocker for dogfooding.
[09:38] <mzanetti> dednick: maybe Saviq finds some time this week to help a bit on that one ;)
[09:39] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: now go on vacation (and set yourself to away ;-))
[09:39] <mzanetti> lol
[09:40] <mzanetti> just waiting for the shower to be freed before taking one and then driving away
[09:42] <greyback> have a good holiday!
[09:42] <greyback> mzanetti: ^
[09:43] <mzanetti> thanks greyback
[09:59] <larsu> dednick: hey, how is it going?
[10:02] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[10:03] <tsdgeos> does make autopilot work for you guys?
[10:03] <tsdgeos> i'm getting
[10:03] <tsdgeos> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `CMakeFiles/install.dir/all', needed by `CMakeFiles/autopilot-shell.dir/all'.  Stop.
[10:04] <dednick> larsu: howdy. good thanks. how was gaudec?
[10:05] <larsu> dednick: great! (I'm still at it, but it's only hackfest from now on)
[10:05] <dednick> larsu: ah. ok.
[10:05] <dednick> larsu: we have 2 branches that need looking at to merge into the unitymenumodel code. Also we need to resolve this target+parameter_type discussion.
[10:05] <larsu> dednick: did you get a chance to test my messaging menu branch?
[10:06] <dednick> larsu: no, i fear i have been pulled onto a network problem with the client.
[10:06] <larsu> dednick: yes, I saw the branches. I'll look at them aftre lunch
[10:06] <larsu> dednick: no worries :)
[10:06] <larsu> dednick: target+parameter_type?
[10:07] <dednick> larsu: with ted last week. if target and parameter type dont match, we don't set the action state.
[10:07] <dednick> larsu: if i'm remembering the terms correctly
[10:09] <larsu> dednick: ya, and that's correct behavior. What should the state be set to when the types don't match?
[10:09] <larsu> dednick: the fix there is to make the types match. I told ted that
[10:10] <larsu> dednick: gotta run. bbl
[10:11] <dednick> larsu: yeah. he seems reluctant. :)
[10:11] <dednick> larsu: ok.
[10:17] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ping
[10:17] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, poing
[10:18] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you've run autopilot tests in the pc lately?
[10:18] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, well yes... but mostly only my notification-tests
[10:18] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, what's the issue?
[10:18] <tsdgeos> i can't get them to run
[10:18] <tsdgeos> how do you run them?
[10:18] <Cimi> Saviq, hey buddy
[10:19] <Saviq> Cimi, ho
[10:19] <Cimi> Saviq, so last week for the welcome wizard
[10:19] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, cd unity8/tests/autopilot ; autopilot run <whatever.test>
[10:19] <Cimi> Saviq, we released it would be great to share code between system settings, indicators, welcome wizard
[10:19] <Saviq> Cimi, realized?
[10:19] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, that's not working for you?
[10:19] <tsdgeos> nope
[10:19] <Cimi> Saviq, :P
[10:20] <Cimi> Saviq, we could have a meeting after the standup
[10:20] <Cimi> with web and nick
[10:20] <Cimi> *seb
[10:20] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, getting any error-output? Paste?
[10:20] <Cimi> are you free?
[10:20] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5950736/
[10:21] <Saviq> Cimi, I got connection issues today, on 3G, not good for meetings, not gonna make standup, either
[10:21] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[10:21] <Saviq> Cimi, can you schedule something for early tomorrow?
[10:21] <Cimi> Saviq, sure
[10:21] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, "MismatchError: None == None" :) hm
[10:22] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll put the wizard on hold
[10:22] <Cimi> Saviq, but create the project
[10:22] <Cimi> Saviq, lp:ubuntu-welcome-wizard or lp:meet-ubuntu ?
[10:23] <Saviq> Cimi, you got better people around you to answer that (assuming you're in the office) ;)
[10:23] <Cimi> Saviq, nope :P
[10:23] <Saviq> Cimi, u-w-w is more informative
[10:23] <Saviq> Cimi, so maybe I'd go with that
[10:23] <seb128> +1 for u-w-w
[10:23] <Cimi> ok
[10:27] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: whatthe, now it works :-S
[10:27] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, ah... Murphy is playing games with you ;)
[10:38] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, Saviq anyone else with ListView wisdom. Any idea how the click input is handled? I can't find anything in the docs, and I'm looking to trigger a signal when a delegate is clicked.
[10:39] <Saviq> nic-doffay, there is not "clicked" signal in a ListView
[10:39] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yeah I know that much.
[10:39] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you need to put it *in* the delegate
[10:39] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just use an AbstractButton or a MouseArea, depending on what makes sense
[10:40] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I see the AbstractButton has a MouseArea, makes sense to use that in this situation. ta!
[11:02] <xnox> Please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity/adjust-to-ubiquity-desktop-rename/+merge/178152
[11:02] <xnox> as otherwise, currently installer icon is missing from the launcher on live cds
[11:12] <Cimi> Saviq, so far there's only the template of the qml files, needs the functionality
[11:12] <Cimi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-welcome-wizard
[11:12] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[11:21] <Cimi> mzanetti, ping
[11:28] <Saviq> Cimi, he's away
[11:28] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[11:28] <Cimi> seb128, I think I need an help packaging ubuntu-settings.components
[11:29] <seb128> Cimi, where need help means that you have questions or that you need somebody to package it for you?
[11:29] <Cimi> seb128, the latte :P
[11:29] <Cimi> like, sure you can do better than me in creating the deb
[11:29] <Cimi> avoid time spent on fixing it :)
[11:29] <seb128> didrocks, Mirv: ^
[11:30] <Cimi> but I can give it a go if you want
[11:30] <seb128> Cimi, no, that's fine, I agree there is no point making you waste time on packaging, let's the packagers sort that and you focus on your code
[11:30] <didrocks> Cimi: agreed, can you point mirv to the source branches?
[11:31] <Cimi> Mirv, lp:ubuntu-settings.components
[11:31] <Cimi> ubuntu-settings-components
[11:31] <didrocks> it's going to be only used by ubuntu-system-settings or anything else?
[11:40] <Cimi> didrocks, indicators
[11:40] <Cimi> too
[11:40] <didrocks> Cimi: ok, so maybe those components needs to be part of the sdk stack?
[11:40] <Cimi> didrocks, external to sdk though
[11:41] <didrocks> Cimi: just an internal implementation, yeah
[11:41] <Cimi> didrocks, they are more
[11:41] <Cimi> complex...
[11:41] <Cimi> sdk should have buttons and so
[11:41] <Cimi> not complex widgets like those
[11:41] <didrocks> ok, but I guess we can dive that into the sdk or indicator stack, we just need to ensure that the settings stack deps on that one
[11:41] <didrocks> Mirv: FYI ^
[11:44] <seb128> sdk seems it would make sense
[11:44] <seb128> they are somewhat sdk components
[11:45] <didrocks> (agreed)
[11:53] <Mirv> ok, let's put that on the list
[11:53] <Mirv> (doing)
[12:11] <larsu> dednick: why are you exposing the action name? I'm trying to keep the changes to gtkmenutrackeritem minimal...
[12:11] <dednick> larsu: we need it for autopilot tests.
[12:12] <dednick> larsu: we need object names to be able to select the controls by their action name. (as we have no other handle to differentiate one control from anohter)
[12:13] <larsu> dednick: hm, interesting. The menu item's label is not enough?
[12:13] <larsu> dednick: ah, got it. Oh well, it doesn't hurt that much
[12:13] <dednick> larsu: might not have a label
[12:13] <larsu> dednick: right
[12:13] <larsu> dednick: are you married to the updateState() name? We use change_state() and I prefer using the same terminology to not confuse people
[12:16] <dednick> larsu: change_state is ok for me.
[12:17] <dednick> mzanetti: think i may have found the problem with the cpu usage
[12:17] <larsu> dednick: okay I'll change that. Thanks for the patch! I'll merge it right away
[12:18] <dednick> larsu: cool. thanks
[12:20] <dednick> mzanetti: looks like infinite animations may not always be ending when destroyed or stopped with "running" parameter.
[12:21] <dednick> mzanetti: eg. the wifi "connectoin waiting" spinner in the network indicator.
[12:22] <Saviq> dednick, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-animation.html#alwaysRunToEnd-prop
[12:23] <dednick> Saviq: By default, the alwaysRunToEnd property is not set.
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, so when you stop(), it will not complete
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, mzanetti is away, btw
[12:23] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, just saw the holiday sheet
[12:24] <Saviq> dednick, I might not have the details of what you're after with the animation, so might be talking crap here ;)
[12:24] <dednick> Saviq: it seems to be continuing to issue redraws.
[12:24] <dednick> Saviq: even if the control has been destroyed.
[12:27] <Saviq> dednick, ah, sounds like a bug
[12:27] <Saviq> dednick, you mean that if you destroy an animation, it still causes redraws?
[12:27] <dednick> Saviq: that's what it looks like. still looking into it.
[12:28] <dednick> Saviq: if i change it to non-infinate (eg 20 loops) it stops hammering the cpu
[12:28] <Saviq> dednick, interesting
[12:28] <dednick> Saviq: when you "running=false"
[12:29] <dednick> Saviq: but only seems to happen "sometimes"
[12:30] <Saviq> mterry, o/ thanks for jumping on the powerd thing
[12:30] <Saviq> dednick, mhm, might be something doesn't get deleted for some reason
[12:31] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, i'm looking into the qt code.
[12:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: we'll have tryCompare + msg in 5.2
[12:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, saw that ;)
[14:00] <mhr3> Saviq, oh btw does this look reasonable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5951318/
[14:22] <tsdgeos> mhr3: he's not around (i think he lost his internet)
[14:23] <mhr3> hopefully he'll get it once he's back
[14:23] <tsdgeos> mhr3: but i think that goes a bit against the "resposive design" thing we try to avhice (which basically says you shouldn't care if it's a phone or not, only the screen size + perhipehals you have available)
[14:25] <mhr3> tsdgeos, right and you don't have a way to distinguish those as of now
[14:29] <Saviq> mhr3, I think we should use a Binding { } in ScopeView
[14:30] <mhr3> Saviq, hm, maybe in that case you want to do it, i'm sure i'll get it wrong the first 5 times :P
[14:31] <Saviq> mhr3, Binding { target: scope; property: "formFactor"; value: "phone" }
[14:31] <mhr3> and then i won't update the mock scopes or something :)
[14:31] <Saviq> mhr3, mock scopes use ScopeView.qml ;)
[14:33] <mhr3> Saviq, better? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5951424/
[14:33] <Saviq> mhr3, yup, looks good
[14:34] <mhr3> ok, mping
[14:41] <mhr3> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity8/scopes-send-form-factor/+merge/178576
[14:52] <MacSlow> dednick, ping
[14:52] <dednick> MacSlow: pong
[15:13] <Saviq> didrocks, where can I see the autopilot recordings again?
[15:15] <didrocks> Saviq: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/768/label=autopilot-ati/
[15:15] <didrocks> see the artefacts -> results/autopilot/videos
[15:16] <Saviq> didrocks, interesting...
[15:17] <Saviq> didrocks, the most interesting thing is that it works on intel :D
[15:17] <didrocks> welcome to the world of flackyness/different matchines :p
[15:17] <didrocks> machines*
[15:18] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, thing is it fails to log in with a "password" password on ati, but not on intel ;)
[15:21] <kgunn> Saviq: just kind of a heads up, fallout from iom wrt design...https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoELdAtqKZMYdHZSZXhPQTVxNUNCc3FvcUtSWFgwRFE#gid=1
[15:21] <kgunn> see "right edge"
[15:22] <Saviq> kgunn, yeah, been in that mtg
[15:24] <Saviq> didrocks, can I just trigger a rebuild of that failed job?
[15:25] <Saviq> didrocks, to see how reproducible it is (locally - it isn't...)
[15:28] <didrocks> Saviq: sure, let me do that quickly
[15:35] <didrocks> Saviq: passed
[15:36] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, thought so, let's see if it's a single-time failure
[15:36] <Saviq> didrocks, only idea I have is that one of the keys didn't actually get delivered to the application
[15:36] <Saviq> or maybe in the wrong order
[15:36] <didrocks> Saviq: let's see… from experience single-time comes back :)
[15:36] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, I know
[15:39] <didrocks> Saviq: anyway, acked the packaging changes
[15:39] <Saviq> didrocks, thanks
[15:40] <didrocks> yw
[16:08] <jbicha> could someone take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity/adjust-to-ubiquity-desktop-rename/+merge/178152
[16:35] <kgunn> dednick: Cimi ...hey would both of you mind scrubbing this bp
[16:35] <kgunn> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-unity-ui-panel
[16:36] <kgunn> in terms of what's done & inprogress
[16:43] <dednick> kgunn: sure
[16:45] <kgunn> dednick: thanks much
[16:46] <dednick> kgunn: the panel overview no longer exists. can i remove the item "Improve overview to support variable number of indicators"
[16:46] <kgunn> absolutely...
[16:46] <kgunn> dednick: if its overcome by events
[16:46] <kgunn> feel free to make is sane
[17:08] <dednick> laptop cpu = sticky molten mess.
[17:25]  * greyback eod


[07:04] <pitti> cpaelzer: hah, thanks for the super-fast response wrt. libvirt-dbus :-) but I think I got this
[07:08] <cpaelzer> you do - as always
[07:09] <cpaelzer> but even if sometimes I can't help I at least want to let you know that you are not alone :-)
[07:09]  * cpaelzer hugs pitti
[07:21]  * pitti hugs cpaelzer back, thanks :)
[07:21] <pitti> cpaelzer: I am currently enabling all our projects for 22.04, working my way upwards from podman/criu/container (done), now machines/libvirt (just started), and finally cockpit itself
[07:21] <pitti> it covers so many APIs, it's a pretty rigorous "server OS" test
[07:22] <pitti> for focal we did that too late, so a lot of regressions surfaced after release only
[07:22] <pitti> this time I hope to squash a few bugs before release 😀
[07:26] <cpaelzer> thank you for that!
[07:49] <pitti> cpaelzer: at least after that unkillable libvirt-dbus permission zombie bug, the rest of the libvirt stack looks 👍 https://logs.cockpit-project.org/logs/pull-638-20220325-073412-51a515d9-ubuntu-2204/log.html
[08:43] <eoli3n> Hi
[08:44] <eoli3n> since few time, my preseed installation installs oem kernel
[08:44] <eoli3n> how to disable it, and run stock kernel ?
[08:44] <eoli3n> s/installation//
[08:46] <eoli3n> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/OEMKernel
[08:46] <eoli3n> i want to automatically install stock kernel and not that one, which break my os on specific hardware
[09:52] <eoli3n> https://x0.at/CiKE.txt
[09:52] <eoli3n> ubuntu-drivers --no-oem is broken
[09:59] <eoli3n> that story is funny
[09:59] <eoli3n> Canonical provides a oem kernel to "improve" hardware support.
[10:00] <eoli3n> installing this breaks my OS, which can't start lightdm
[10:00] <eoli3n> removing oem driver fix the issue
[10:00] <eoli3n> i noticed that what installed oem things is my "ubuntu-drivers install" task
[10:01] <eoli3n> then i try "ubuntu-drivers --no-oem install" which breaks
[10:01] <eoli3n> good job, really, it amaze me how deep you work to break things
[11:02] <seb128> ginggs, hey, how often is the ftbfs report refreshed? daily?
[11:03] <ginggs> seb128: daily, but manually. I'm actually just about to upload a fresh report.
[11:04] <seb128> ginggs, great, thanks!
[11:08] <ginggs> seb128: .
[11:08] <seb128> ginggs, 👍
[11:09] <seb128> ginggs, it doesn't take account updates which are in proposed right?
[11:11] <ginggs> seb128: correct, those would be on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[11:13] <seb128> ginggs, ack, it was rather the other way around, it would be nice if entries that have an update which built in proposed and didn't migrate yet cleared off from the list because technically the build failure is resolved
[11:16] <ginggs> seb128: except those updates might never migrate
[11:31] <juliank> heh nothing migrates right now anyway, the queues are full and capped at 40-50% capacity
[11:43] <seb128> ginggs, right
[11:43] <seb128> ginggs, what's the process to ask for a retry for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20220317-jammy/+build/23329873 ?
[11:46] <ginggs> seb128: pinging me with the link in irc :) retried
[11:46] <seb128> ginggs, thanks!
[12:17] <pitti> cpaelzer: FTR, I have cockpit covered as well; I found/reported a PAM regression, the others we found were already known/reported elsewhere; so, mostly 👍 😀
[12:32] <ahasenack> pitti: is that cockpit running on ubuntu, managing ubuntu systems?
[12:33] <pitti> ahasenack: both (although for most detected regressions, the latter is the important part)
[12:33] <ahasenack> interesting
[12:33] <ahasenack> pitti: is that cockpit the ubuntu package from the ubuntu archive, or a separate build you have?
[12:33]  * ahasenack double checks it is in the ubuntu archive
[12:34] <ahasenack> yeah, 264-1, from debian
[12:34] <pitti> ahasenack: not sure what "that" is -- my linked log from earlier was upstream main
[12:34] <ahasenack> I meant the deb
[12:34] <ahasenack> but upstream main, ok
[12:34] <pitti> but in the course of the regular upstream release → debian upload → ubuntu sync it'll also get there
[12:35] <pitti> (however, I didn't sync the latest upstream release because feature freeze)


[22:15] <Tesla_> hey
[22:16] <Tesla_> can anyone help me
[22:16] <Tesla_> with installing the rpm file
[22:16] <Tesla_> i think i made mistake, when i need find file with terminal
[22:16] <Tesla_> that is the problem
[22:16] <Tesla_> D
[22:20] <cjwatson> Tesla_: Sorry, this channel deals with initial installation of the operating system, not installing packages, and especially not installing packages that aren't in our standard packaging format :)


[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164608 in gimp (main) "Spelling error in gimp (nothing that major)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164608
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164609 in gimp (main) "Spelling error in gimp (nothing that major)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164609
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164610 in pilot-link (main) "[merge] pilot-link 0.12.2-11 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164610
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164611 in vmware-player (multiverse) "[dapper] vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15-<IP_ADDRESS>-13 breaks vmware-player" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164611
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #164612 in dolphin (main) "Improper icon display in Dolphin on Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164612
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164616 in aptitude (main) "Please upload merge aptitude aptitude 0.4.9-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164616
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #164618 in warzone2100 (universe) "warzone2100 crashes trying to start a multplayer game" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164618
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #164619 in ubuntu "apt-get upgrade does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164619
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #164620 in gnome-panel (main) "Invasion of windows from workspace to workspace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164620
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164622 in ajaxterm (universe) "have to explicitly accept SSH server key each login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164622
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164623 in tiger (universe) "Please upload merge tiger-3.2.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (admin)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164623
[02:38]  * persia is awake
[02:42] <persia> !importance
[02:42] <ubotu> You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[02:42] <persia> saivann_: That sounds about right: as it " Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)".
[02:43] <saivann_> persia : Oh sorry.. I spoke in the wrong channel. Yes it sounds like this, bug since I'm a new bug triager, I wanted to be sure
[02:43] <saivann_> persia : So you think that this bug is a High priority bug?
[02:43] <persia> saivann_: Thanks for checking: it's always good to get review as you build your confidence.
[02:44] <persia> saivann_: I've not tried to reproduce, but if you can reproduce easily with a default install, then I'd say yes.
[02:44] <saivann_> persia : Yes, on any computers
[02:44] <saivann_> persia : Thanks for your answers also :)
[02:45] <persia> Braid isn't the default, is it?
[02:45] <saivann_> persia : the default is "random", if it didn't change since Feisty
[02:47] <persia> Oooh.  Maybe even "Critical" then, as if you can reproduce on any computer, and there is a chance Braid could be selected for any computer, any computer could crash, meaning "A bug which has a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users".  I tend not to set Critical without agressive testing, as the developers are often working on other things, and setting non-critical bugs to "Critical" tends to annoy them.
[02:47] <saivann_> persia : I'll confirm if it's really random before
[02:48] <persia> I'd go with "High" for now, and try to get some people in #ubuntu-testers to test and reproduce.  If it's really "random", and "Braid" is in the default "random" pool, and everyone can reproduce, set to "Critical".
[02:49] <saivann_> persia : Great, I'll do this for sure today, thanks a lot for this detailed answer
[02:49] <persia> saivann_: Thanks for finding the bug, and pushing to triage it properly.  There's lots of bugs, and sometimes important things can get missed.
[02:50] <saivann_> persia : I love to do this job :) And I want to do it well
[02:52] <saivann_> persia : Hmm, #ubuntu-testers channel is empty, are-you that's the good channel?
[02:53] <persia> saivann_: Hm.  I thought it was.  let me check the channel list again...
[02:54] <saivann_> oh, #ubuntu-testing?
[02:55] <persia> saivann_: Yes, #ubuntu-testing, but it seems low-volume right now.  On the other hand, someone there might have other suggestions for how to solicit testing.
[02:55] <saivann_> persia : Ok thanks again
[02:56] <persia> saivann_: No problems.  And don't worry if you don't see much traffic here: ubotu tends to talk a lot, so others don't, but if you've a question, just ask :)
[02:57] <saivann_> persia : Hehe ok :)
[02:58] <saivann_> persia : I wanted to be sure for this package and didn't get answers on this channel yesterday, that's why I came to #ubuntu-motu
[02:59] <persia> saivann_: I understand.  Lots of people are on for fairly odd hours.  If you've not an answer, it's best to try again here before heading elsewhere.  This is especially true as the package being considered isn't universe, so the MOTUs aren't necessarily the best people to ask.
[03:02] <saivann_> persia : I clearly understand, I'll continue my work here
[03:02] <persia> saivann_: Thanks :)
[03:02] <saivann_> persia : :)
[03:03] <persia> saivann_: Also, if you're not getting a response here, asking in #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel may help, but just be warned that not everyone in those channels also does bug triage :)
[03:05] <retour> I have latest Ubuntu 7.10 and problem passing boot option to the kernel. My BIOS is older than 2000 so I have to pass ACPI=FORCE. Worked fine under Ubuntu 6.06. Under 7.10 all the tricks adding acpi=force doesn't work. Any success here or ideas?
[03:05] <saivann_> persia : Oh yeah I know it! The way ubuntu channels are divided is great, I'll always ask my questions here and I get more experimented every days so I'll don't need to ask so much questions in a near future
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164627 in ubuntu "lirc based applications can not get exclusive access to /dev/input interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164627
[03:05] <saivann_> retour : Are you still able to boot Ubuntu or it doesn't boot at all?
[03:06] <persia> retour: I don't suppose your motherboard vendor has an updated BIOS?
[03:07] <retour> It boots and works OK. I just cant make it to shut down automatically. Same problem I've had under 6.06 but ACPI=FORCE fixed it. 7.10 ignores it
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164630 in ubuntu "RTL8139 fails after 7.10 upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164630
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #164633 in xmms-crossfade (universe) "Please sync xmms-crossfade with Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164633
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <AstralJava> G'morning dholbach.
[07:30] <dholbach> hey AstralJava
[07:30] <AstralJava> How's life at your end this fine morning?
[07:31] <dholbach> very good - how are you doing?
[07:32] <AstralJava> Pretty good, got a used laptop which I'm setting up right now - Ubuntu Studio, Fluxbuntu and Kubuntu for testing. :)
[07:33] <AstralJava> It's actually amazing to run the system without any restricted drivers, it's got all Intel stuff except for the modem, which I probably won't be using ever.
[07:36] <dholbach> nice :)
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164640 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "Apply subpixel rendering patch to cairo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164640
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164644 in beryl-core (universe) "no arranca de inicio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164644
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #161050 in gnome-terminal (main) "gnome-terminal crashed with signal 7" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161050
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164648 in ubiquity (main) "Allow user to select preferred locale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164648
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164649 in amarok (main) "Include amsn-now-listen script in package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164649
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164651 in ubuntu "USB kybd not active at install screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164651
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164652 in ubuntu "live cd gusty hang  in Loading Hardware Drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164652
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164653 in ubiquity (main) "Iam creating live come install cd of my own distro, which is based on debian, In my live cd i installed casper and ubiquity, while i installing live cd using ubiquity, i got an error like" No root filesystem is defined, please correct it from partitioning menu" at the time creating new partition, i given " / " in the combo box, But it is installing without any error by edit partition, how do i rectify that?" [Undeci
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164656 in ubuntu "xubuntu Live - not able to get network to recognixe static IP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164656
[09:23] <warp10> Hi all!
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164657 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164657
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164658 in zsh (main) "zsh, bad behaviour while autocompletion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164658
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164659 in openoffice.org (main) "El punto intermedio ¿midle-dot? del Catalán con la fuente Times New Roman, a veces me sale como una Sigma Mayuscula y no consigo hacer que vuelva a aparecer como un simple punto, hasta que no cambio la fuente." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164659
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164660 in gedit (main) "Hide tab bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164660
[10:46] <cool> !bug #43154
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164661 in gnome-btdownload (main) "gnome-btdownload crashed with GError in run()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164661
[10:46] <cool> hello everyone :)
[10:49] <persia> Hi cool
[10:49] <cool> persia, are you user or dev
[10:49] <persia> cool: I'm lots of things, and can likely point you somewhere.  What do you seek?
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #164663 in evince (main) "The file's name doesn't appear on the window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164663
[10:50] <cool> !bug #43154 | persia
[10:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[10:51] <cool> its has been a around a year since this bug has been reported
[10:52] <persia> cool: Yes.  There are also older bugs.
[10:52] <cool> persia, i am loosing hopes is it altogether will be fixed :(
[10:52] <cool> i am in doubt
[10:53] <persia> cool: It's likely a hard bug.  I see it's been forwarded to upstream X and linux as well as being investigated in Ubuntu, and that nobody has a good solution yet.
[10:57] <persia> cool: Looking upstream it appears that progress blocked about 4 months ago, and that some information about the K8M800 is unknown, which reverse engineering needs to be done.
[10:58] <cool> so any chances of bug getting fixed?
[11:00] <persia> cool: Hard to say.  I suspect it requires either someone who has the hardware to reverse engineer a solution or someone who has the specifications to fix it, but I don't know that such a person exists.  I'd suspect it will take a lot longer.
[11:01] <cool> also is there any workaround to it, i already complied drivers from open chrome :(
[11:01] <cool> but it does not help much
[11:01] <persia> There's a couple workarounds listed in the upstream bugs, but they all seem to be considered insufficient.  You could try them, and see if anything works for you.
[11:04] <cool> i have the required hardware but i am not a dev . may i know what is takes to reverse engineer a hardware and know its specifications, if in any case if do so( although chances are less) can someone with the required knowledge make a fix with specifications to fix it
[11:04] <cool> just a though ;)
[11:05] <persia> There seems to be some hints in the upstream X bug, but I don't know enough about X to be able to suggest how you would do it.
[11:06] <persia> For the specifications, I think someone would need to speak to the HW vendor, but I'd not think that ideal unless a dev was lined up to do the work.
[11:07] <cool> brb
[11:27]  * cool is back
[11:27] <dholbach> heya pedro_
[11:27] <pedro_> hey dholbach!
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164666 in gtk2-engines-murrine (main) "Please upload merge gtk2-engines-murrine 0.53.1-1 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164666
[11:32] <cool> persia, you still there?
[11:32] <persia> cool: Yes.
[11:34] <cool> persia, can you link me to upstream X bug?
[11:35] <persia> cool: I don't have the link handy.  There was a link from the bug report you mentioned earlier.
[11:35] <cool> !bug #43157
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43157 in coreutils "dd segfaults everytime (dup-of: 42264)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43157
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42264 in gettext "language pack po files drop cflag comment which causes segfaults in e. g. 'dd'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42264
[11:35] <persia> That looks like a different bug
[11:36] <cool> persia, yes i mistyped the number :p
[11:36] <cool> !bug #43154
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[11:36] <cool> ^^^this one
[11:36] <persia> Right.  Do you see the upstream bug links at the top?
[11:37] <cool> persia, this one http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8641
[11:37] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 8641 in Video(DRI) "interrupts not properly handled for VIA K8M800 / UniChrome Pro" [Normal,Reopened]
[11:38] <persia> That would be the kernel bug.  There was also an X bug, which I thought had a little more information towards the reverse engineering.
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #164667 in fast-user-switch-applet (main) "package fast-user-switch-applet 2.20.0-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164667
[11:40] <Kirrus> cool, you don't need to use the exlamation mark here. Just say bug #no, so for example bug #78017
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78017 in firehol "[SRU] firehol locks down Feisty & Gusty systems" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78017
[11:41] <cool> Kirrus, nice for me & bad for ubotu :P
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164668 in twisted (main) "package python-twisted-core 2.5.0-2build1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164668
[12:40] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A Session in #ubuntu-classoom in 20 minutes
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164670 in ubuntu "Compiz virtual desktop size lost after changing visual effects settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164670
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164671 in eigen (universe) "Please sync from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164671
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #164673 in ubuntu "Menu dissapears when fonts are installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164673
[13:13] <ubuntu_demon> hey. I'm concerned about this security bug in Pidgin : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/158400
[13:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158400 in pidgin "[CVE-2007-4999] pidgin HTML Processing Denial of Service" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #164674 in xpdf (universe) "xpdf prints equations as garbage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164674
[13:19] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[13:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164675 in ubuntu "X doesnt start at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164675
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #164676 in evince (main) "evince prints equations with bad quality" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164676
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164678 in ktorrent (main) "ktorrent not aware the torrent finished" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164678
[13:57] <ubotu> New bug: #164677 in gnome-power-manager (main) "No way to keep backlight off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164677
[14:13] <ubotu> New bug: #164681 in update-manager (main) "[wishlist] Update-manager should allow to ignore misc updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164681
[14:13] <ubotu> New bug: #164682 in gnome-mount (main) "Ejecting an ipod should tell the ipod to disconnect, like rhythmbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164682
[14:14] <ubotu> New bug: #164680 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar-applet crashed with AttributeError in query()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164680
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164401 in firestarter (universe) "After some time Firestarter crash [GSlice]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164401
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #164684 in gnome-games (main) "tali computer players cheat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164684
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #164686 in rsibreak (universe) "Lock desktop not working under Gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164686
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164687 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox Music player cannot open Mp3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164687
[15:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164688 in libspe2 (main) "missing libspe2.pc (pkg-config file)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164688
[15:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164479 in ubuntu "'E:Type '“deb' is not known on line 80 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, E:The list of sources could not be read.'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164479
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164578 in debian-installer (main) "710128" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164578
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #164689 in update-manager-core (main) "`do-release-upgrade` ignores Aptitude holds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164689
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164692 in ubuntu "[package request] pyinstaller" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164692
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164693 in ubuntu "Cannot copy DVDs (not write protected) once in a while" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164693
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164694 in last-exit (universe) "last-exit album and artist are wrong way round" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164694
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164696 in ubuntu "PINNACLE PCTV and Genius WebCam don't work, Ubuntu 7.10 64bits Freezes sometimes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164696
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164697 in compiz (main) "Compiz Fusion lack support for laptop buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164697
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #164699 in ubiquity (main) "Program of installation crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164699
[15:54] <domas> hi! I've filed few bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~domas-mituzas/ and I wonder if I did stuff properly, and if there's anything I could do else, to make everything in proper way. :)
[15:54] <domas> as in, should I be reporting all bugs in packages, instead of going directly to upstream, etc
[15:54] <domas> should I file bugs for packages that have bugs, which are fixed in upstream newer versions
[15:54] <domas> etc
[15:54] <domas> I'm trying to offload package maintenance to someone else %)
[15:55] <pedro_> domas:  the maintainers or triagers will ask you more info if is needed
[15:56] <pedro_> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html is always a good lecture for report bugs :-)
[15:56] <domas> well, I'm in industry where I see quite a lot of bugs myself :)
[15:56] <domas> my questions are more project-specific
[15:57] <domas> how abused would you feel if I'd start reporting all bugs, instead of going to original authors
[15:57]  * Hobbsee looks
[15:58] <Hobbsee> domas: they look fine
[15:58] <Hobbsee> domas: you're better off going to original authors for the stuff that's from their programs, rather than bugs in the packaging, etc.
[15:58] <Hobbsee> domas: (else they just get sent up there)
[15:59] <domas> mhm
[16:01] <domas> well, say imagemagick problems can be solved by packagers
[16:01] <Hobbsee> true, so that one's definetly right
[16:01] <domas> (as the architecture of the original software is done by uneducated people :)
[16:02] <Hobbsee> other other one may well be.  not sure
[16:02] <domas> I'll have to review mount source
[16:02] <domas> to understand why mtab edits fail
[16:02] <domas> well, that bug made sporadic stupid errors on wikipedia pageviews :)
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164702 in pptp-linux (main) "pptp-linux recommended kernel-patch-mppe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164702
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164704 in epiphany (universe) "Upstream version is 0.7.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164704
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164705 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "attachment paper clip not always shown in list view (IMAP)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164705
[16:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164703 in ubufox (main) "Right click menu problem in Zoho Sheet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164703
[16:28] <ubotu> New bug: #164701 in cupsys (main) "[gutsy] only the first user created can change configs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164701
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #164706 in xtide (universe) "Please merge xtide_2.9.3-3 from debian " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164706
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #164707 in cupsys (main) "HP OfficeJet 4xxx queues printout mode do not use both color and black cartridges at once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164707
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164708 in ubuntu "Update Manager fails to update - reports errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164708
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164709 in mplayer (multiverse) "gmplayer fails to play a file whose filename contains spaces " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164709
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164710 in ubuntu "System doesnt power down when "Shutdown"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164710
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164711 in rhythmbox (main) "crashes when playing mp3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164711
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164712 in eog (main) "Rotate and Save Causes Crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164712
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #164713 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.81 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmp1gszYr/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /tmp/tmp1gszYr/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164713
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164715 in adept (main) "nspluginwrapper fails to upgrade (dup-of: 155015)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164715
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #164716 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "linux-virtual kernel images need LSI scsi driver for VMware ESX" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164716
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #164719 in muse (universe) "muse sequencer -new version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164719
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #164718 in gnome-btdownload (main) "[hardy] gnome-btdownload menu item says gnome-btdownload" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164718
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164720 in ubuntu "photo f spot locks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164720
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164721 in ubuntu "Persistent laptop drive clicking in kernels since 2006" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164721
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164722 in ubuntu "kernel 2.6.22 crash on toshiba m30x-127" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164722
[18:07] <ubotu> New bug: #164723 in yelp (main) "suspect file transfer problem occured during upgrade to 7.10 last night.  error occurred.  E:  dpkg was interrupted.  quote, "you must manually run 'dpkg--configure-a' to correct problem" also, "E:_cache->open() failed, please report".  hope you guys can help me with this. thanks.  " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164723
[18:13] <ubotu> New bug: #164724 in k3b (main) "k3b-extracodecs missing conflicts and replaces" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164724
[18:27] <ubotu> New bug: #164727 in advi (universe) "advi FTBFS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164727
[18:28] <ubotu> New bug: #164726 in ipython (universe) "ipython fail when calling 'modules' in help()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164726
[18:28] <ubotu> New bug: #164728 in ubuntu "Can't Boot LiveCD With Powercable Plugged In Laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164728
[18:31] <ubotu> New bug: #164729 in openoffice.org (main) "application crashes while browsing bullet formatting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164729
[18:31] <andrea-bs> http://macateeny.blogspot.com/2007/11/create-your-own-ascii-art-easy-way.html
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #164732 in linux-meta (main) "cannot read large files from usb flash drive " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164732
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164738 in xmltv (universe) "Please upload merge xmltv <IP_ADDRESS> (universe) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164738
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #164739 in ubuntu "Gimp 2.4.0 have no language files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164739
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #164741 in sound-juicer (main) "Sound-Juicer: column resizing behaves confused" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164741
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164742 in ubuntu "upgrade from feisty fails horribly " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164742
[19:38] <ubotu> New bug: #164743 in jp2a (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync jp2a 1.0.6-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164743
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #164744 in php-clamavlib (universe) "Please sync php-clamavlib 0.13-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164744
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164745 in pulseaudio (main) "stuttering of sound with pulseaudio on high loads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164745
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164746 in meta-kde (main) "Integrate kmenu-gnome to non-Kubuntu KDE installations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164746
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164747 in php-maxdb (universe) "Please sync php-maxdb <IP_ADDRESS>-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164747
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164749 in pingus (universe) "Pingus package broken on Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164749
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164748 in ubuntu "kubuntu double screen setup still fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164748
[20:06] <fishor> asac, hi! please take a look to the bug #127711
[20:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127711 in linux-source-2.6.22 "network-manager does not really deactivate ipw2200" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127711
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #164750 in kile (universe) "kile text size selector problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164750
[20:29] <ubotu> New bug: #164751 in ubuntu "7.1 Update won't download" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164751
[20:57] <ubotu> New bug: #164752 in firefox (main) "It keeps crashing and then will not restart until I restart the computer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164752
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164753 in openoffice.org (main) "ubuntu openoffice has become instable but I can't re-install openoffice alone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164753
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #164754 in simplejson (universe) "simplejson can't load some valid javscript/JSON" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164754
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #164757 in gnome-terminal (main) "left mouse double click no longer sets X selection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164757
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164759 in qt4-x11 (main) "SQL driver plugins are missing from libqt4-sql" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164759
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #164760 in kde-systemsettings (main) "If I set US English as my language, measurement should be set as Imperial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164760
[22:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164761 in pyode (universe) "python-pyode package fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164761
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #164762 in atlas-cpp (universe) "[Fwd: Bug#452325 closed by Michael Koch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Bug#452325: fixed in atlas-cpp 0.6.0-4)]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164762
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164766 in evolution (main) "text conversion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164766
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #164767 in inn (universe) "innd bootup script is crippled. creating PID file in non existent dir." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164767
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #164769 in texlive-base (main) "problem processing letter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164769