[08:56] <HapyHippy> gcc installed thru Synaptec
[08:56] <crimsun> geneo93: wait, what issue are you addressing, sound or cpu count?
[08:56] <QQ_ghost> sethk: where is the x log?
[08:56] <sethk> HapyHippy, usually running the build as a regular user, and the compiler tries to write to a directory that only root can write to.
[08:57] <HapyHippy> tried it with sudo
[08:57] <_jason> I installed kubuntu-desktop.  After using kde for a few minutes and messing with the styles, I logged out and tried to log in to gnome.  However gnome no longer starts.  The panel appears and disappears, repeatedly.  However, I can login with a different account and gnome works fine.  How can I reset all of the gnome-related config files for my other account?
[08:57] <ka|patrick123> hi guys
[08:57] <ka|patrick123> :)
[08:57] <navarone> Hapyhippy is it complaining about particaular version compiler? You may need to use EXPORT command to specify specific version.
[08:57] <sethk> HapyHippy, then the compiler isn't installed properly.  compile a file by hand and you should get an error message that tells you why.
[08:57] <pseudo_apt-get_i> woot woot
[08:57] <sethk> QQ_ghost, /var/log/xorg*
[08:57] <pseudo_apt-get_i> damn
[08:57] <geneo93> crimsun:  the mixer shows my bt878 and i have no control over sound
[08:57] <ka|patrick> could someone help me figuring out why i cant play any videos?
[08:57] <pseudo_apt-get_i> it dont show my whole name lol
[08:57] <ka|patrick> i am totally confused
[08:57] <sethk> QQ_ghost, there should be only one file in /var/log that has xorg in the name
[08:57] <crimsun> geneo93: so which card do you have?
[08:57] <ubuntu> !codecs
[08:57] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[08:57] <geneo93> but tvtime works just fine
[08:58] <ka|patrick> although i ahve installed any codec i found nothing works
[08:58] <ElBarono> Jowi: yeah I had that one compiled in already
[08:58] <HapyHippy> k, will reinstall and then come back next time I need to compile something if it's still moaning
[08:58] <HapyHippy> cheers
[08:58] <ka|patrick> win32 codecs, xvid, divx, real, etc.
[08:58] <ubuntu> what are you using to play
[08:58] <ElBarono> I had everything except the Maxtor OneTouch support and verbose debug selected
[08:58] <ubuntu> them ?
[08:58] <QQ_ghost> sethk: thanx, will try
[08:58] <rosen> !java
[08:58] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[08:58] <rosen> !javadebs
[08:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/ To install these, open a terminal, cd to the directory you downloaded them to, and type "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb"
[08:58] <trappist> navarone: rm -rf ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2
[08:58] <mustard5> ka|patrick, so you say you haven't installed any codecs yet?
[08:59] <navarone> trappist I think you have me confused with someone else...lol
[08:59] <pseudo_smartass> much beter
[08:59] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[08:59] <ubuntu> mustard5, he said he did, AFIAK
[08:59] <trappist> oh
[08:59] <ka|patrick> i HAVE
[08:59] <Jowi> ElBarono: alright
[08:59] <mustard5> ka|patrick, k
[08:59] <ka|patrick> w32 for wmv and avi-stuff
[08:59] <trappist> I do that a lot here.  600 users seems to screw up my tab complete.
[08:59] <ubuntu> ka|patrick, what prog are you using to view them ?
[08:59] <ka|patrick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-4cfa3d6b0994ebb0a6a965a6f59c2651b511f561 <-- these ones
[08:59] <navarone> trappist np
[08:59] <ubuntu> do you recieve an error msg ?
[08:59] <ka|patrick> urmm... kaffeine xchat
[08:59] <jono> can I use a dapper kernel on breezy?
[09:00] <trappist> jono: I wouldn't
[09:00] <geneo93> no
[09:00] <ka|patrick> xine not xchat lol
[09:00] <_jason> trappist, was that for me?  (resetting the config files)
[09:00] <DRK13> no lol no
[09:00] <crimsun> jono: you can, but unless you understand the changes we made to the infrastructure, you'll have lots of problems.
[09:00] <trappist> _jason: oh, yeah
[09:00] <_jason> trappist, ok thanks :)
[09:00] <jono> crimsun, ahhh right
[09:00] <mustard5> ka|patrick, did you do the gst-register command at the end of the configuration of xine?
[09:01] <jono> well basically, I need 2.6.14 on breezy - can I just copy my .config file into the stock source and build myself a kernel?
[09:01] <DRK13> I dont use the user tab
[09:01] <ka|patrick> mustard5: ???
[09:01] <ka|patrick> i dunno what u mean
[09:01] <trappist> jono: copy it to stock source and run 'make oldconfig'
[09:01] <ka|patrick> i am a noob, thats it
[09:01] <mustard5> ka|patrick, let me find it in the guide
[09:01] <jono> trappist, cool
[09:01] <ka|patrick> at least help with kaffeine would be helpful
[09:01] <ka|patrick> coze i'd like to use it as dvb-s software
[09:02] <ka|patrick> no videooutput works here
[09:02] <ka|patrick> no sound, crashs
[09:02] <ka|patrick> kaffeine even made x crash
[09:02] <ka|patrick> as i tried to play a video
[09:02] <ka|patrick> and its no difference if i use xvid or wmv
[09:02] <ka|patrick> ... couldnt find the stream... error error crash
[09:02] <ka|patrick> :(
[09:02] <pseudo_smartass> hey kal... have your tried gzine?
[09:02] <pseudo_smartass> gxine
[09:03] <pseudo_smartass> ?
[09:03] <ka|patrick> using kde
[09:03] <_jason> !enter
[09:03] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[09:03] <ka|patrick> so i prefer kaffeine
[09:03] <mustard5> ka|patrick, try this   gst-register-0.8
[09:03] <slew> do i need to do anything special to get the new kde to work after installing it? i logged out and logged back in and its still 3.4 =[
[09:03] <ka|patrick> whats that?
[09:03] <mustard5> ka|patrick, it should register the codecs with the player
[09:04] <ka|patrick> is it a tool found in synaptic?
[09:04] <ka|patrick> for gsstream?
[09:04] <ka|patrick> *er
[09:04] <mustard5> ka|patrick, in terminal type it in
[09:04] <mustard5> ka|patrick, look here for further explanation http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies
[09:05] <ka|patrick> do i need a restart?
[09:05] <ka|patrick> or will it work now?
[09:05] <mustard5> ka|patrick, no
[09:05] <mustard5> ka|patrick, it should work now
[09:05] <mustard5> ka|patrick, assuming that was the problem
[09:05] <ka|patrick> well... which outputengine should i use
[09:05] <ka|patrick> video related stuff
[09:05] <mustard5> ka|patrick, totem-xine?
[09:05] <ka|patrick> in kaffeine
[09:06] <ka|patrick> gstreamer
[09:06] <ka|patrick> xvimagesink.c(740): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support: /internal_thread/thread_vbin/vbin/videosink:
[09:06] <ka|patrick> No port available
[09:06] <pseudo_smartass> hey seveas... know about this? "W: Conflicting distribution: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl breezy-seveas Release (expected breezy-seveas but got ubuntu-seveas)"
[09:06] <ka|patrick> grrrr
[09:06] <ka|patrick> no change :(
[09:07] <QQ_ghost> sethk: ok the weirdest thing just happened, the thing booted!
[09:07] <Jormundgand> I'm trying to get Flash to play happily with everything else. I've followed the instructions in "Fixing Flash sound, the better way" and have been rewarded with a Flash player which doesn't play any sound and plays a small amount of video before locking up entirely (either needing a force-quit if I browse anywhere or leaving me with stopped processes if I close it immediately).
[09:07] <mustard5> ka|patrick, are you on 64bit architecture?
[09:07] <sethk> QQ_ghost, ok..... ???
[09:07] <Jormundgand> What have I done wrong and what should I do? This would seem to be a common ailment.
[09:08] <crimsun> Jormundgand: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[09:08] <Jormundgand> 32-bit.
[09:08] <QQ_ghost> sethk: how do i enable a second video card...
[09:08] <ka|patrick> mustard5: no
[09:08] <mustard5> ka|patrick, k..I've run out of ideas sorry :)
[09:08] <{alejandro}> A query for all: how do I get alsa to work if it is only playing for a second and then stopping
[09:08] <pseudo_smartass> anyone know about this? "W: Conflicting distribution: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl breezy-seveas Release (expected breezy-seveas but got ubuntu-seveas)"
[09:09] <ka|patrick> crap... not the simplest stuff workx for me out of the box since breezy :(
[09:09] <sethk> QQ_ghost, you add a section for it in xorg.conf.  Then you add another section telling X how you want to deal with the dual displays (one virtual screen, separate X displays, etc.)
[09:09] <crimsun> Jormundgand: there are two ways, neither of them optimal. 1) use ''aoss firefox'' (in the alsa-oss package), or 2) kill everything using sound before starting firefox
[09:09] <{alejandro}> hm
[09:09] <ka|patrick> what have they changed since hoary?
[09:09] <{alejandro}> ah
[09:09] <QQ_ghost> sethk: so i go to console and type...?
[09:10] <{alejandro}> crimsun: I am having alsa problems too
[09:10] <sethk> QQ_ghost, to do it by hand you (_after_ backing it up) edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  I believe, though, that there are configuration tools smart enough to set up dual video.  They didn't exist when I set mine up, so I haven't bothered to learn them.
[09:10] <thomas> ka|patrick, apparently a lot..i'm currently upgrade from hoary to breezy and it's 450 megs..
[09:10] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Neither seems to have done any good.
[09:10] <thomas> upgrading*
[09:10] <pseudo_smartass> alsa? the sound card thing?
[09:10] <sethk> QQ_ghost, at the very least, google for examples of dual video configurations.  It's a bit tricky.
[09:10] <ka|patrick> well.. i am sitting here... almost 100hours until now
[09:10] <crimsun> Jormundgand: well which are you using now?
[09:10] <{alejandro}> crimsun: how do I get it to work if, for example, xmms plays for only one second through alsa
[09:11] <x_or> Can someone point me to the proper repository for lame on breezy?  I uncommented multiverse and updated, but doesn't seem to find anthing and google has been no help to me so far.
[09:11] <ka|patrick> and i still cant play videos
[09:11] <ka|patrick> thats sooo weired and annoying
[09:11] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Not sure I understand the question. Reword?
[09:11] <crimsun> x_or: apt-cache policy lame
[09:11] <crimsun> x_or: don't paste here.
[09:11] <thomas> well i don't get sound in xmms so haha
[09:11] <{alejandro}> x_or, I think multiverse
[09:11] <ka|patrick> :(
[09:11] <crimsun> Jormundgand: which method are you using?
[09:11] <pseudo_smartass> do all you people with sound card issues have it set tostart the sound server on startup?
[09:11] <pseudo_smartass> that was my problem
[09:11] <{alejandro}> ?
[09:11] <{alejandro}> well
[09:11] <{alejandro}> yeah
[09:11] <{alejandro}> alsa starts on startup
[09:11] <QQ_ghost> sethk: isn't there the command xfree86config, or something like that?
[09:11] <{alejandro}> I see it happen whenever I boot
[09:11] <Jormundgand> crimsun: I've got both source and sink set to ALSA in the Multimedia Systems Selector and FIREFOX_DSP is set to "aoss".
[09:12] <sethk> pseudo_smartass, the desktop default configurations start the sound server for you.
[09:12] <pseudo_smartass> stop that and see what happens
[09:12] <crimsun> {alejandro}: pseudo_smartass means esd, the EsounD server.
[09:12] <thomas> i ain't got a sound card issue :P
[09:12] <{alejandro}> ahhh
[09:12] <pseudo_smartass> oh
[09:12] <pseudo_smartass> yeah
[09:12] <crimsun> {alejandro}: System> Preferences> Sound> Enable sound server startup
[09:12] <pseudo_smartass> esd maybe
[09:12] <{alejandro}> I am ignoring esd
[09:12] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[09:12] <{alejandro}> kill that crap
[09:12] <_jason> trappist, okay, regarding my gnome issuse after installing KDE.  I removed .gnome and .gnome2, but I still can't login with that user.  Any thing else you can think of?
[09:12] <sethk> QQ_ghost, there are several configuration programs, including the one you mentioned.  I don't know which support dual video.  Try that one, you can't lose anything AS LONG AS xorg.conf IS BACKED UP
[09:12] <{alejandro}> I get sound from gaim for 30 seconds after I log n then it stops
[09:13] <{alejandro}> and I am using aplay for the sound
[09:13] <sethk> QQ_ghost, did I mention that you should back up xorg.conf?    ;0
[09:13] <_jason> {alejandro}, are you using alsa?
[09:13] <mustard5> ka|patrick, what settings do  you have in your multimedia systems selector for video?
[09:13] <skon> Anyone know how to use the whereami package?
[09:13] <{alejandro}> _jason, yes
[09:13] <{alejandro}> _jason, it hates me
[09:13] <_jason> {alejandro}, I just setup my gaim for alsa, let me see if I can find you the directions
[09:13] <QQ_ghost> sethk: i fix win computers for a living(started with dos), so i know the importance of backups
[09:14] <trappist> _jason: did you run those commands with or without sudo?
[09:14] <{alejandro}> _jason, I am having trouble with alsa in general
[09:14] <_jason> trappist, with, I made sure they were gone
[09:14] <QQ_ghost> sethk: =)
[09:14] <sethk> QQ_ghost, ok.  People forget, and they think oh, I'll remember what it was before.  :)
[09:14] <ka|patrick> mustard5: where is that in kde?
[09:14] <{alejandro}> _sound in general, honestly
[09:14] <thomas> lol... QQ_ghost
[09:14] <{alejandro}> woops
[09:14] <crimsun> Jormundgand: no, you're not supposed to set FIREFOX_DSP to aoss
[09:14] <mustard5> ka|patrick, ah ok...sorry I assumed gnome
[09:14] <crimsun> Jormundgand: set it to 'none'
[09:14] <_jason> {alejandro}, if you want alsa for gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q24
[09:14] <ka|patrick> havent i mentioned that i use kde?
[09:14] <thomas> The easiest way to fix Win computer QQ_ghost is to install Linux on them
[09:14] <ka|patrick> *confused*
[09:14] <{alejandro}> _jason I use aplay (file) and it works at first
[09:15] <ardchoille> what is the command to see if a .deb successfully installed or not?
[09:15] <{alejandro}> _jason I think the problem is with alsa
[09:15] <trappist> _jason: I'm not sure that didn't try to delete those directories from /root
[09:15] <mustard5> ka|patrick, not since I have been paying attention..you may have mentioned it earlier ..I dont know :)
[09:15] <Jormundgand> crimsun: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75237 <-- told me to use "aossW".
[09:15] <ka|patrick> kk
[09:15] <Jormundgand> s/aossW/aoss/g
[09:15] <QQ_ghost> thomas: for most of my friends, i do that! lol
[09:15] <mustard5> ka|patrick, have you tried in #kubuntu ?
[09:15] <thomas> QQ_ghost, are they suprised? :P
[09:16] <ka|patrick> ok
[09:16] <Jormundgand> Aha! It works!
[09:16] <crimsun> Jormundgand: this is precisely what I did: 1) sudo aptitude install alsa-oss , 2) echo "FIREFOX_DSP=none" >> ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc , 3) aoss firefox
[09:16] <_jason> trappist, I think I might just copy over everything I want from that account and make a new user
[09:16] <lucasvo> thomas: what are their reactions?
[09:16] <ka|patrick> mustard5: sure.. but not many people are active there :D
[09:16] <ka|patrick> sooo...
[09:16] <QQ_ghost> thomas: you mean that it works and doesn't bend it's self over the coffeetable?
[09:16] <Jormundgand> crimsun: I don't even need "aoss firefox" - just changing FIREFOX_DSP to "none" worked.
[09:16] <mustard5> ka|patrick, yep..I understand that :)
[09:16] <ka|patrick> checked libraries and replaced totem gstreamer with totem xine
[09:16] <ka|patrick> now i have video but no sound
[09:16] <mustard5> ka|patrick, thats positive :)
[09:17] <crimsun> Jormundgand: yes, it will work if no other app has opened "default"
[09:17] <thomas> {alejandro}, i'm having a similar issues...but alsaconf is fine, etc and so is al..crap i forgot the other one
[09:17] <_jason> {alejandro}, well I have been noticing problems with alsa as well.   It doesn't help me resolve your issue.
[09:18] <trappist> alsa isn't in the same category as esd
[09:18] <{alejandro}> sound in general doesn't work
[09:18] <{alejandro}> the alsa server is up
[09:18] <ka|patrick> why does arts not work :(
[09:18] <{alejandro}> xmms plays for one second with alsa
[09:18] <ka|patrick> could someone explain me how to check that arts is working?
[09:18] <{alejandro}> gaim with aplay (file) for sound works for 30 seconds before stopping sound
[09:18] <x_or> Hey, sound works even worse in Windows.  But, most people never really use their sound cards in the way they were designed.  Alsa is pretty nice IMHO.
[09:18] <{alejandro}> speakertest and mixer make sound
[09:18] <trappist> ka|patrick: ps aux | grep arts
[09:19] <crimsun> {alejandro}: paste onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org the output from ''lsmod && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[09:19] <_jason> okay, after my experience with kde, I'd like to remove all of the packages it installed.  Is there an easy way to do this?
[09:19] <{alejandro}> ok
[09:19] <thomas> Yeah..same for me but xmms makes no sound, whatsoever
[09:19] <crimsun> {alejandro}: then tell me the url
[09:19] <ka|patrick> trans_err: i'll enter this in konsole, right?
[09:19] <crimsun> thomas: did you change xmms's output plugin to alsa?
[09:19] <padraig> lo there, if an attempted breezy install can't find my partition table (sees disk as single partition) is it all b0rked - I do have a printed version of my previous partition table. is it worth trying to recreate it by hand...?
[09:19] <ka|patrick> !pastebin
[09:19] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:20] <ka|patrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5826
[09:20] <ka|patrick> thats the result
[09:21] <thomas> crimsun, ALSA, OSS, ESD and changed their configurations multiple times.
[09:21] <crimsun> ka|patrick: arts is grabbing /dev/dsp, the emulated oss device. No other sound can be played while /dev/dsp is open.
[09:21] <crimsun> ka|patrick: unless of course you have sound hardware capable of it (sblive, turtle beach santa cruz, etc.)
[09:21] <{alejandro}> crimsun here is mine
[09:22] <{alejandro}> Wait wrong paste
[09:22] <crimsun> thomas: describe the precise configuration that is being used right now.
[09:22] <ka|patrick> well amarok's soudn works
[09:22] <{alejandro}> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5827
[09:22] <ka|patrick> using arts
[09:22] <rosen> anyone remember what the alternativ to the UTF-8 charset is called ?
[09:22] <{alejandro}> utf-16?
[09:22] <thomas> crimsun, i'm using ALSA with complete default configuration, and "default" selected as the device.
[09:22] <Jowi> rosen: depends on language. iso9959-1 is a european standard
[09:22] <rosen> iso-something
[09:23] <Jowi> iso8859-1 i meant
[09:23] <rosen> I'll try that thanks
[09:23] <crimsun> {alejandro}: are you actually using the optical out?
[09:23] <{alejandro}> ?
[09:24] <crimsun> {alejandro}: are you using headphones? normal speakers? an output to a digital receiver?
[09:24] <{alejandro}> crimsun, gdm gives me sound so I should be using the right thing
[09:24] <ka|patrick> crimsun: sound in amarok works
[09:24] <{alejandro}> oh, external speakers
[09:24] <ka|patrick> output engine = arts
[09:24] <{alejandro}> line out
[09:24] <{alejandro}> pcm
[09:24] <{alejandro}> with xmms I use pcm
[09:24] <pendek> how to play mp3 with linux ?
[09:24] <rosen> Jowi, exactly the correct one !
[09:24] <crimsun> {alejandro}: "default" doesn't work as the alsa output device?
[09:25] <jahshua> i reinstalled recently and attempted to make a partition for booting linux in, i now have a c: drive and a d: drive and i can 'boot into utility partition' when i press the f12 tab at reboot. which should i use for linux
[09:25] <jahshua> =xp
[09:25] <Jowi> rosen: lucky :)
[09:25] <{alejandro}> I will try that
[09:25] <crimsun> ka|patrick: because amarok-arts is installed
[09:25] <{alejandro}> err how
[09:25] <rosen> Jowi, sssh .. skills ! *nods*
[09:25] <ka|patrick> crimsun: what do i need for kaffeine?
[09:25] <x_or> pendek:  sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:25] <crimsun> {alejandro}: check xmms's output plugin preferences.
[09:25] <{alejandro}> ok
[09:25] <ardchoille> Anyone having problems with Newton? I installed it but it won't start up and running it from a term produces no errors.
[09:25] <thomas> XMMS press Ctrl+P, select the plugin and click Configure
[09:26] <Jowi> rosen: lol, yeah that's it. was laying in the back of my head that's all.
[09:26] <padraig_> sorry, my connection dropped so I'm not sure if anyone answered me or not... if my breezy installation isn't finding a partition table, is it all gone or can I remake it manually and hopefully refind data on /home ?
[09:26] <{alejandro}> oh I have been doing that
[09:26] <crimsun> ka|patrick: using kaffeine-xine or kaffeine-gstreamer/
[09:26] <crimsun> ?
[09:26] <{alejandro}> device 0,0 doen't work
[09:26] <{alejandro}> 0,1 does
[09:26] <crimsun> thomas: does aplay work?
[09:26] <{alejandro}> defaut doesn't do anything
[09:26] <ka|patrick> gsstreamer doesnt work
[09:26] <pendek> x_or, how to install xmms  ?
[09:27] <ka|patrick> but i have to configure xine using arts
[09:27] <ka|patrick> or i wont have any sound :/
[09:27] <ka|patrick> oss - no sound
[09:27] <thomas> crimsun, haven't tried it. I know gaim and cd-player, etc do...gimme a sec
[09:27] <ka|patrick> also the same
[09:27] <crimsun> thomas: ''aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' should be a decent example
[09:28] <crimsun> ka|patrick: kaffeine has a configuration dialog for that, no?
[09:28] <{alejandro}> crimsun, when I use default pcm on xmms I get no sound
[09:28] <pendek> how to play .mp3 file *sobbing*
[09:28] <ka|patrick> crimsun: confiugre xine engine
[09:28] <ka|patrick> there u have that dialog
[09:28] <{alejandro}> when I use device 0, 1 pcm I get one second of sound
[09:28] <crimsun> pendek: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:28] <crimsun> {alejandro}: cat /proc/asound/devices -> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:28] <thomas> crimsun, apprently not...
[09:29] <thomas> it just kind of sits there, doing nothing
[09:29] <crimsun> thomas: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[09:29] <{alejandro}> I will be back in a bit
[09:29] <pendek> crimsun, can u give me the link to download ? sorry this is my 1st time using linux OS
[09:29] <{alejandro}> so I will come back to this
[09:29] <crimsun> pendek: enable the universe repository, then install the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[09:30] <crimsun> !tell pendek about repos
[09:30] <crimsun> pendek: you can use Synaptic to install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[09:30] <thomas> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PVvHSG76.html
[09:31] <ubuntu> hi, i have an nvidia card and upgraded from hoary to breezy, and now X is broken.
[09:31] <Jormundgand> crimsun: If I run Firefox normally (without "aoss" in the command) then I get sound but nothing else can play over it, but if I run "aoss firefox" I get the freezing etc as before.
[09:31] <crimsun> thomas: because esd is still holding on to /dev/dsp
[09:31] <thomas> i'll kill it
[09:31] <crimsun> thomas: give me the contents of /etc/esound/esd.conf
[09:31] <ubuntu> I tried to follow the directions on the wiki [on breezyupgrade notes]  but I receive an error and pkg's would not install on it
[09:31] <darksun> this distro come w/ anything to burn an iso with?
[09:32] <ubuntu> darksun, k3b
[09:32] <ubuntu> and gnomebaker, and a few others
[09:32] <ka|patrick> lol
[09:32] <ka|patrick> dev/video0 doesnt exist
[09:32] <ka|patrick> what shall i do now :(
[09:32] <ka|patrick> tried gsstreamer
[09:32] <misfit_toy> ubuntu, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[09:33] <thomas> xmms...is frozen, and won't die..lol
[09:33] <Jormundgand> Although I shan't go into the horrors of CD-burning. I have to compile my own cdrecord because nobody can be bothered to fix a crippling bug in it which makes my CD drive lock up.
[09:33] <mustard5> thomas, click madly on the kill button and wait :)
[09:33] <thomas> :P
[09:33] <ka|patrick> killall esd doesnt work
[09:33] <ka|patrick> no process to kill
[09:33] <ka|patrick> wtf is wrong here
[09:33] <thomas> already killall'd it like 5 times and did -9 onc or twice :P
[09:33] <Madcat> cand see the pid in top?
[09:34] <Jowi> ka|patrick: if you run kde, that's not very surprising
[09:34] <mustard5> thomas, go into preferences and change the sound device
[09:34] <ubuntu> misfit_toy, argh. thanks.
[09:34] <ubuntu> [meh]
[09:34] <misfit_toy> ubuntu, np
[09:34] <mustard5> thomas, that is the preferences for xmms
[09:34] <ka|patrick> Jowi: what do i have to use here?
[09:35] <crimsun> thomas: was it set to use alsa, oss, or esd?
[09:35] <thomas> alsa
[09:35] <ubuntu> misfit_toy, i tried to install the nvidia pkg's in apt-get but it wouldnt let me..
[09:35] <ubuntu> should i force them
[09:35] <crimsun> thomas: you can't ''killall -9 xmms'' ?
[09:35] <ka|patrick> alsa no process
[09:35] <Jowi> ka|patrick: esd seem to be the standard for gnome these days. it does not work well. Myself, i use only alsa for everything. more than one thing in charge for sound is a headache
[09:35] <ka|patrick> i have kde
[09:36] <Jowi> ka|patrick: yeah, so killall esd will not work since esd is not running
[09:36] <Jormundgand> crimsun: So how do I get Firefox's sound to play happy with everyone else, now your suggestion of setting FIREFOX_DSP to "none" actually gets it to play sound at all?
[09:36] <ka|patrick> neither is arts
[09:36] <ka|patrick> nor oss
[09:36] <crimsun> Jormundgand: "everyone else"?
[09:36] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Gaim, Rhythmbox.
[09:36] <crimsun> Jormundgand: I just told you above.
[09:37] <Jormundgand> Except "aoss firefox" acts as if FIREFOX_DSP was set to "aoss" i.e. small amount of soundless video and crash.
 installed alsa packages for gnome?
[09:37] <ka|patrick> i use KDE
[09:37] <Jowi> ka|patrick: does kde have got a control-panel where you can select "preffered audio output sink"? if you can find one, select alsa in that one. that should make it universal for all apps.
[09:37] <KDE|patrick> ...
[09:37] <Madcat> or alle the base packages for alsa
[09:37] <ubuntu> misfit_toy, sorry to bother you again, but I already tried to do that, and i received an error about installing those pkg's
[09:37] <KDE|patrick> i jsut switched to alsa
[09:37] <mustard5> KDE|patrick, hehe good idea
[09:37] <KDE|patrick> i'll give it a try
[09:37] <ubuntu> i didn't know if i should force them.
[09:38] <Jowi> KDE|patrick: i bet there are more kde users in #kubuntu as well if you get stuck here :)
[09:39] <Jowi> KDE|patrick: if only alsa is running, does "alsamixer" look ok ?
[09:39] <crimsun> Jormundgand: works fine here
[09:39] <pendek> !tell pendek about mp3
[09:39] <Jormundgand> crimsun: No offence intended to yourself, but "worksforme" has to be the most infuriating response in all Bugzilla responses. The whole point of filing the bug is that it doesn't work for ME.
[09:40] <puff> I'm trying to figure out why I'm not getting sound from these videos:
[09:40] <puff> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2889527841583480458
[09:40] <KDE|patrick> alsa... reboot soundsystem...
[09:40] <KDE|patrick> i have sound
[09:40] <KDE|patrick> arts vs alsa
[09:41] <KDE|patrick> which one is more powerful?
[09:41] <trappist> I love ubuntu and all but I've never seen a distro where so many people have sound issues
[09:41] <ompaul> puff have you dealt with the "restricted" web page?
[09:41] <thomas> how'd you change your sound system to alsa?
[09:41] <crimsun> Jormundgand: then point me to the bug #
[09:41] <trappist> KDE|patrick: they're apples and oranges
[09:41] <puff> ompaul: I'm pretty sure I get sound from other video formats, just not flash.
[09:41] <Jowi> KDE|patrick: well, alsa is the standard in the kernel
[09:41] <Jormundgand> crimsun: There isn't a bug; I was making a generalised statement.
[09:41] <crimsun> Jormundgand: I've tested fairly extensively. Right now I've got homestarrunner, pandora, and totem-gstreamer all running simultaneously with sound
[09:42] <mustard5> thomas, if you are on gnome you can go to the system>>preferences>>mulitmedia system selector
[09:42] <KDE|patrick> well... with alsa i have no sound in any kde app like amarok :(
[09:42] <thomas> i <3 you mustard5
[09:42] <puff> ompaul: I'm not sure what you mean by "dealt with",
[09:42] <puff> ompaul: But I'm pretty sure I followed the restricted formats page for installing flash support.
[09:42] <puff> ompaul: I'll check again.
[09:42] <ompaul> puff, you also need to do
[09:43] <crimsun> Jormundgand: got a test case that doesn't work for you?
[09:43] <mustard5> KDE|patrick, does amarok have internal preferences to switcht to alsa?
[09:43] <KDE|patrick> no
[09:43] <ompaul> puff, audio formats from that page
[09:43] <KDE|patrick> and i cant find a outputplugin for that either
[09:43] <ompaul> puff, sry just off 12 hours work - slow to type now :)
[09:43] <crimsun> KDE|patrick: amarok uses engines. It's up to the engine to select the audio backend.
[09:43] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Easy. I run "aoss firefox" and open any flash movie you care to mention and the result is a small amount of video followed by what amounts to a crash (if I close the window I have to cull two stopped firefox-bin processes, if I try to browse anywhere it hangs and I have to force-quit).
[09:43] <trappist> ompaul: per RestrictedFormats, try
[09:44] <trappist> oops
[09:44] <puff> ompaul: Hm, I remember installing a slew of audio stuff.
[09:44] <trappist> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[09:44] <ompaul> trappist, :-)
[09:44] <puff> ompaul: No sweat, I'm slow to read :-).
[09:44] <crimsun> Jormundgand: /proc/asound/cards ?
[09:44] <ompaul> puff, if I may what trappist siad
[09:45] <trappist> ompaul: and/or add FIREFOX_DSP="none" to ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc
[09:45] <KDE|patrick> crimsun: crap
[09:45] <ompaul> trappist, for puff - me happy :-)
[09:45] <thomas> and i <3 you too crimsun....finally got aplay to play the startup sound
[09:45] <KDE|patrick> with alsa i seems that not more than one app cann access the dsp
[09:45] <KDE|patrick> thats crap
[09:45] <thomas> now to fix xmms ....
[09:45] <KDE|patrick> either amarok or kaffeine
[09:45] <Jormundgand> crimsun: It exists, but I can't remember what to do with it to see it.
[09:45] <_jason> i have multiple sounds using alsa...
[09:45] <KDE|patrick> but if one of the other is already running :/
[09:45] <trappist> KDE|patrick: that's your sound card's fault for not doing hardware mixing.  the purpose of arts/esd is to do that for you in software.
[09:46] <puff> ompaul: Ah... I will try trappist's advice.  Also found this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75237.html
[09:46] <crimsun> KDE|patrick: that's only true if one of the following is true: 1) the app uses alsa's oss emulation, or 2) the app uses the specific hw virtual device (bypassing "default")
[09:46] <_jason> if I want to add a new user, should I use adduser or useradd?
[09:46] <KDE|patrick> trappist: well then why isnt sound working if i choose audiooutput arts/oss in xineengine?
[09:46] <ompaul> puff, give each step a shot one at a time and test
[09:46] <trappist> KDE|patrick: is arts running?
[09:46] <puff> trappist: It says "file exists"
[09:47] <crimsun> Jormundgand: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:47] <ompaul> puff, one less thing to do
[09:47] <KDE|patrick> arts works if oss is the engine
[09:47] <trappist> puff: that step won't help then... but which one is your problem?
[09:47] <Jormundgand> crimsun: It's a bit short to pastebin, should I PM it?
[09:47] <puff> trappist: No idea :-)
[09:48] <mustard5> Jormundgand, pastebin it ;)
[09:48] <Jormundgand> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5828
[09:48] <trappist> puff: I mean, what are you trying to fix
[09:48] <puff> trappist: No sound on flash videos.
[09:48] <crimsun> Jormundgand: no, because my battery's going to die
[09:48] <crimsun> back in 5 minutes.
[09:48] <trappist> puff: did you try adding FIREFOX_DSP="none" to ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc ?
[09:49] <puff> trappist: Not yet.
[09:49] <puff> trappist: wait... I just realized the "file exists" was because I accidentally double-pasted.
[09:49] <cwr2nd> if anyone has a sec I have a question about ubuntn and scsi
[09:49] <trappist> heh.
[09:49] <puff> trappist: So maybe that did fix it... do I need to restart firefox?
[09:49] <trappist> puff: probably
[09:50] <{alejandro}> ok
[09:50] <{alejandro}> I guess I have to start over now that I left
[09:50] <puff> trappist: Bing!
[09:50] <puff> trappist:  Fixed it, thanks.
[09:50] <trappist> awesome
[09:50] <{alejandro}> but alsa hasn't been working for me
[09:51] <{alejandro}> I get one second of audio on xmms
[09:51] <trappist> man, what's with the sound issues today
[09:51] <{alejandro}> and if I use aplay with gaim it works for about thirty seconds after login
[09:51] <{alejandro}> yeah, I know, right?
[09:51] <{alejandro}> this has been plaguing me for at least a week but I am waiting until now to bring it up
[09:51] <trappist> {alejandro}: it sounds like you're not using a sound mixer
[09:51] <thomas> does it normally take a while to set up gstreamer?
[09:51] <{alejandro}> explain, trappist
[09:52] <{alejandro}> linux sound has been confusing to the max
[09:52] <trappist> {alejandro}: your sound card doesn't do hardware mixing, so you need to use arts (if you're in kde) or esd (gnome) to do the mixing in software
[09:52] <trappist> yeah, it is :/
[09:52] <cwr2nd> if anyone has a sec I have a question about ubuntn and scsi
[09:52] <{alejandro}> I think there is a hardware mixer
[09:52] <{alejandro}> hold on
[09:53] <{alejandro}> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5827
[09:53] <redguy> !tell cwr2nd about ask
[09:53] <thomas> gstreamer has been going for a while
[09:53] <{alejandro}> that's the result of lsmod && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer
[09:54] <cwr2nd> is it possible to have the sys run on ide drives and mount to scsi drives?
[09:55] <trappist> yes
[09:55] <QQ_ghost> lspci does not list my second video card, is there a reason why?
[09:55] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost check your bios
[09:55] <cwr2nd> I have read alot of docs but can't figure it out
[09:56] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: my bios is too basic... windoze recognizes both cards just fine...
[09:56] <cwr2nd> the device manager recognizes my pci scsi card but not the drives
[09:56] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost what kinds of cards are they
[09:57] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: hold on...
[09:58] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: i don't remember what th on board is, but the one not recognized is 's3 virge/dx'
[09:58] <Jormundgand> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5828
[09:59] <crimsun> Jormundgand: k, gimme a sec.
[10:00] <cwr2nd> my scsi card is an inito, and by drives are 18 gig ibm drives
[10:00] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost agp, pci, or what
[10:00] <crimsun> Jormundgand: erm, you only have a usb headset? no onboard?
[10:00] <crimsun> thomas: got the sound issues straightened out?
[10:01] <Jormundgand> crimsun: The onboard was causing problems and I never use it so I turned it off.
[10:01] <crimsun> {alejandro}: got the sound issues straightened out?
[10:01] <{alejandro}> nyet
[10:01] <{alejandro}> crimsun http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5829
[10:01] <Jormundgand> crimsun: killed it in BIOS.
[10:01] <jono> so how does the kernel in dapper differ to the breezy kernels, apparently they are quite different?
[10:01] <jenda> Why does my bottom panel often jump to the top without reason?
[10:02] <darksun> its afraid of the bottom
[10:02] <crimsun> jono: yes, very different
[10:02] <{alejandro}> jenda, kde, gnome, or what
[10:02] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: pci
[10:02] <jenda> {alejandro}: gnom.
[10:02] <jenda> *gnome
[10:02] <KDE|patrick> bye
[10:02] <KDE|patrick> and thx for help
[10:02] <KDE|patrick> i hope i can figure out whats still wrong here by myself :)
[10:02] <KDE|patrick> gn8
[10:02] <{alejandro}> ah
[10:03] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost, do you know what x driver it uses?
[10:03] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost, more importantly, do you know how to mess with the xorg.conf?
[10:03] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: i can't get linux to recognize it at all, i typed dmesg and got nothing on it...
[10:04] <crimsun> Jormundgand: does dmix work properly?
[10:04] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Not sure what I should look for to assess that... how do I check?
[10:04] <crimsun> Jormundgand: just try to play multiple songs at once
[10:04] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost can you pasteboard an lspci for me
[10:04] <{alejandro}> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[10:04] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: sure
[10:04] <Jormundgand> crimsun: in which case no. If I'm playing sound in a Flash movie Gaim doesn't play any sound.
[10:05] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: how do i pipe the output to a text file?
[10:05] <Dido-> !rar
[10:05] <ubotu> somebody said rar was a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression#head-32ba956d13d49934f65bf67dd40646653a7a6140
[10:05] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: forgot...
[10:05] <crimsun> Jormundgand: I use console beep in Gaim's preferences for that
[10:06] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost just lspci in the terminal, copy, and put on pasteboard
[10:06] <crimsun> Jormundgand: cat /etc/libao.conf ~/.libao
[10:07] <Jormundgand> crimsun: default_driver=alsa in /etc/libao.conf.
[10:07] <Jormundgand> ~/.libao doesn't exist.
[10:07] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5831
[10:07] <crimsun> {alejandro}: can you reproduce this in beep-media-player?
[10:07] <{alejandro}> hmm
[10:07] <crimsun> Jormundgand: that should read alsa09, not alsa
[10:08] <{alejandro}> crimsun: I will have to install that
[10:08] <{alejandro}> hold on
[10:08] <meepy> What's the command to take a picture of your desktop using the console?
[10:08] <crimsun> {alejandro}: same thing for the output plugin preference
[10:08] <QQ_ghost> meepy: goto the system menu...
[10:09] <QQ_ghost> meepy: third selection down...
[10:09] <ispiked> what controls what goes in the notification area?
[10:09] <meepy> I know, but isent there a command?
[10:09] <ispiked> how do network status applets get in there?
[10:09] <skora> hi, when i use uname -r command on the live cd, is this kernel for the live cd or my actual system ?
[10:09] <ispiked> it wasn't like this on Fedora.
[10:09] <QQ_ghost> meepy: (sorry, using console?)
[10:09] <meepy> Yes
[10:09] <meepy> like import -window root screenshot.jpg
[10:10] <crimsun> ispiked: they're applets. Secondary-click the top panel, choose Add to Panel
[10:10] <QQ_ghost> man -k screenshot?
[10:10] <ispiked> crimsun: I know they're applets. What I'm asking is what determines whether or not an applet goes in the notification area.
[10:11] <QQ_ghost> meepy: man gnome-panel-screenshot
[10:11] <trappist> meepy: the command you just typed is right
[10:12] <meepy> import is an unknown command it told :/
[10:12] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Okay...what now?
[10:12] <crimsun> ispiked: can you rephrase your question?
[10:12] <smo> import is part of the imagemagick package.  worth installing if only for import & convert
[10:12] <meepy> hm
[10:13] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost I am stumped too
[10:13] <crimsun> Jormundgand: can you play any one flash applet?
[10:13] <ispiked> crimsun: why do some applets, such as network monitor show up in the GNOME Notification Area applet?
[10:13] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Flash plays, but still no dmix.
[10:13] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost can I get more info on the card
[10:13] <{alejandro}> like brand/chipset/etc
[10:13] <mebsd> use xwd
[10:13] <mebsd> for taking screenshot
[10:13] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: let me shutdown to pull it
[10:14] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost do you know the name?
[10:14] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost maybe a box or something
[10:14] <Jormundgand> crimsun: That is to say, Flash works without aoss. aoss still freezes things.
[10:14] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: s3 virge
[10:15] <thorre> any word on apache 2.0.55
[10:16] <crimsun> ispiked: it's not actually in the notification area
[10:16] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost do you have xserver-xorg-driver-s3
[10:16] <ispiked> crimsun: ah, it's just to the right of it?
[10:16] <crimsun> ispiked: correct.
[10:16] <ispiked> crimsun: thanks. :)
[10:16] <Dido-> what's dma on cdrom?
[10:16] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-s3
[10:16] <ispiked> crimsun: do you go to the trilug meetings, or do you just hang out in the channel?
[10:16] <mebsd> lighttpd is faster than apache2
[10:17] <trappist> Dido-: direct memory access, but I don't think that's what you meant to ask
[10:17] <Dido-> ;)
[10:17] <Dido-> so
[10:17] <trappist> Dido-: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom to enable it
[10:17] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: "E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-driver-s3"
[10:17] <Dido-> what's the use of it ?
[10:17] <pseudo_smartass> do i have to mount a webcam for it to be used?
[10:17] <crimsun> ispiked: I'm a regular at the meetings (but didn't go this month)
[10:17] <trappist> Dido-: cdroms work much better and much faster with dma enabled
[10:18] <ispiked> crimsun: cool. might have to figure out who are you sometime. :P
[10:18] <Dido-> then ill enable it, thanks ;]
[10:18] <sambagirl> do you think microsoft is responsibe for these problems with the internet?
[10:18] <crimsun> Jormundgand: ok, then that's a bug in alsa-oss
[10:18] <thomas> crimsun, i'd like to find out, but i'm updating ubuntu, and cant' restart and xmms won't launch
[10:18] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost run synaptic and search xorg s3
[10:19] <crimsun> thomas: what do you mean by "won't launch?"
[10:19] <trappist> sambagirl: do you just come here to talk about conspiracy theories?
[10:19] <pseudo_smartass> ubotu tell me about webcams
[10:19] <jenda> Does anyone know why my gnome panel sometimes jumps to the top of the screen for no apparent reason?
[10:19] <pseudo_smartass> ubotu tell me about webcam
[10:19] <Jormundgand> jenda: You probably dragged it.
[10:19] <trappist> pseudo_smartass: /msg ubotu webcam
[10:19] <sambagirl> no i was ins wrong channel for your information
[10:19] <crimsun> Jormundgand: can you try on a Dapper Flight 2 live cd?
[10:19] <jenda> Jormundgand: It happens many times a day... I do not think that's the reason :)
[10:20] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: nothing shows
[10:20] <Jowi> sambagirl: that was a fairly broad question. try in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[10:20] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Not easily. I can't burn a CD because nobody bothered to fix cdrecord for CyberDrive devices.
[10:20] <pseudo_smartass> well that didn't work
[10:20] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[10:20] <jenda> pseudo_smartass: use /msg ubotu
[10:20] <thomas> crimsun, I mean i try typing xmms in a terminal windows and it doesn't work, and i try going to Applications>Sound and Video>XMMS and it also won't launch
[10:20] <pseudo_smartass> damnit
[10:20] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost are you using breezy?
[10:20] <trappist> pseudo_smartass: the bot doesn't know everything.  try asking the channel.
[10:21] <crimsun> thomas: when you invoke it from cli, what error does it give you?
[10:21] <thomas> none
[10:21] <thomas> it just sits there...doing nothing
[10:21] <{alejandro}> crimsun: I have replicated my xmms problem in beep
[10:21] <trappist> thomas: "doesn't work" pretty much sucks when you're trying to get support
[10:21] <QQ_ghost> hoary
[10:21] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: hoary
[10:21] <Crazy_Man> Is opera in the breezy repos?
[10:22] <crimsun> {alejandro}: ok. And this is reproducible using aplay (without any parameters), correct?
[10:22] <trappist> Crazy_Man: no, it's at opera.com
[10:22] <crimsun> Crazy_Man: no.
[10:22] <Crazy_Man> so I can just run the installer and it'll be fine?
[10:22] <cwiin> Can aynone help: I have installed Ubuntu on a 200gb drive which had NTFS/Windows XP on the first 100gb. Now Windows does not boot, but just restarts during startup (you can see a BSOD but it restarts before you can read it). Maybe it has something to do with LVM..?
[10:22] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost search xserver s3
[10:22] <trappist> Crazy_Man: they have debs available
[10:22] <thomas> trappist, i originally said "won't launch", I dont' know how else to describe it when the gui doesn't display....
[10:22] <Crazy_Man> ok
[10:22] <nadia007> would you guys suggest ubuntu for a server?  Or perhaps a diff distro?
[10:22] <crimsun> thomas: can you generate strace output for me? strace -o debug.txt -fF xmms
[10:22] <Crazy_Man> trappist: thanks
[10:22] <tdn> How do I get access to my wlan with WPA/TKIP? I have installed wpasupplicant?
[10:23] <crimsun> tdn: and did you configure wpasupplicant?
[10:23] <trappist> Crazy_Man: what's -fF
[10:23] <trappist> err
[10:23] <trappist> crimsun: what's -fF
[10:23] <Jowi> cwiin: bsods are hardware/driver oriented in windows only. there is an option in windows to turn off the reboot if bsod in order to read the message.
[10:23] <crimsun> trappist: trace children and follow vforks
[10:23] <trappist> have to remember that one
[10:24] <trappist> probably don't need it with xmms though
[10:24] <cwiin> Jowi, well, I've read that it's quite common to get things like "Unmountable boot volume".. so maybe this is it? Unfortunately since i can't boot into windows I can't disable automatic restart.
[10:24] <tdn> crimsun, I didnt
[10:24] <cwiin> I did try the recovery console but it said the whole drive was a 200gb unrecognised partition
[10:24] <crimsun> tdn: it's not going to work if you didn't
[10:25] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me why in k3b my burn rate changes so much?
[10:25] <crimsun> tdn: what's the config (high-level overview) on the AP?
[10:25] <crimsun> ElitePete: is DMA enabled?
[10:25] <ElitePete> crimsun i don't know how do i check.
[10:25] <crimsun> ElitePete: what device is it?
[10:25] <pseudo_smartass> anyone know hot to get a webcam working?
[10:25] <thomas> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/TsiCMV44.html
[10:25] <merkur> Hello everyone :-)
[10:25] <pseudo_smartass> sup
[10:25] <trappist> ElitePete: sudo hdparm -d /dev/<device>
[10:26] <ElitePete>  sudo hdparm -d /media/cdrom0 ?
[10:26] <Jowi> cwiin: try safemode. maybe you can even turn it off in the recovery console, but i haven't touched win in a year after i installed ubuntu.
[10:27] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: nothing shows
[10:27] <cwiin> Jowi, well i tried safemode with command prompt, but it crashes in that too.... I've not touched windows in ages either :P This is just for a friend who wants a "Gaming console" operating system installed too
[10:27] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost maybe consider updating to breezy
[10:28] <Jowi> cwiin: i doubt it is lvm, maybe the partition table got corrupt or something. maybe you can fix the harddisk prob in ubuntu with fdisk or chkdisk (i never had a ntfs partition so i'm not the one to ask for that one)
[10:28] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost You might be havning a driver problem
[10:28] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: i got a friend downloading now...
[10:28] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost don
[10:28] <cafuego> !test
[10:28] <ubotu> Stop poking me!
[10:28] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost don't download
[10:29] <cwiin> Jowi, the ntfs partition mounts correctly under linux and I can view the partition table in linux fine (And I checked it with cfdisk)
[10:29] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost you can change your sources.list and apt-get upgrade breezy
[10:29] <tdn> crimsun, my netadmin has just given me a password
[10:29] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: but i would figure if slackware could recognize it, shouldn't ubuntu?
[10:29] <ElitePete> can somone tell me how to enable dma on my dvd burner?
[10:29] <aquarius> What do I need to run to start a gnome-session?
[10:29] <cafuego> gnome-session
[10:29] <Jowi> cwiin: "sudo fdisk -l" to see if your win partition or first disk has got the bootable flag.
[10:29] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost Your xserver might be sucking
[10:30] <cwiin> the "Unmountable boot volume" which I'm guessing it might be seems to occur if it can't mount the boot volume and if it can't find it... bit annoying to have such an unspecific error
[10:30] <merkur> Will fakeraid be supported out-of-the-box in the next release? Or how can I contribute, so it will be?
[10:30] <crimsun> tdn: so you don't know if you're using WPA or WPA2?
[10:30] <ElitePete> can somone tell me how to enable dma on my dvd burner?
[10:30] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: have to download it, too many friends need the latest because 5.04 won't boot/install
[10:30] <crimsun> tdn: or any other associated details?
[10:30] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost I see
[10:30] <tdn> crimsun, I dont know
[10:30] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: (strange hardware config's)
[10:30] <trappist> ElitePete: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[10:30] <trappist> ElitePete: or whatever the device is
[10:30] <tdn> crimsun, its WPA/TKIP
[10:31] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Thought it might help you if I provide this:
[10:31] <Jormundgand> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5832
[10:31] <tdn> crimsun, it's a Linksys AP
[10:31] <ElitePete>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:31] <ElitePete>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[10:31] <crimsun> tdn: ok, then you need to edit two files: 1) /etc/default/wpasupplicant , and 2) /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[10:31] <trappist> ElitePete: did you use the right device?
[10:31] <ElitePete> yea /media/cdrom0
[10:31] <cwiin> Jowi, yeah, the first partition is bootable
[10:31] <trappist> that's not a device
[10:31] <trappist> it's a directory
[10:32] <ElitePete> well that would my dvd burner be?
[10:32] <cafuego> tdn: You'll need 'wpasupplicant'.
[10:32] <trappist> ElitePete: grep cdrom0 /etc/fstab
[10:32] <cwiin> and I've tried grub with rootnoverify (hd0,0) and root (hd0,0) for windows
[10:32] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: what do i change the sources.list to?
[10:32] <Jowi> cwiin: nice. hmm... only thing i can think of, since you can mount/read the ntfs in linux. if i can speculate freely, my guess would be a corrupt system file or driver in windows. the bsod message would have been useful.
[10:32] <ElitePete> /dev/hda ?
[10:32] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost it is on wiki.ubuntu.org
[10:32] <crimsun> Jormundgand: move /etc/asound.conf out of the way.
[10:32] <ElitePete> cool worked.
[10:32] <trappist> ElitePete: could be.  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:32] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: cool
[10:33] <trappist> ElitePete: for future reference, devices are in /dev
[10:33] <cwiin> Jowi, yeah... I'm going to try and see if i can get it networked and use captive and the registry utils to disable the BSOD... but hmm... this is annoying
[10:33] <Jormundgand> crimsun: as in rearrange the paste or as in move it to a different directory?
[10:33] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: would you know how to detect the proper bus speed of a machine?
[10:33] <crimsun> Jormundgand: as in remove it, but it's a better idea to mv it somewhere else.
[10:33] <Jowi> cwiin: i know how you feel :)
[10:34] <Jormundgand> crimsun: done.
[10:34] <pseudo_smartass> hey seveas... u there?
[10:34] <{alejandro}> QQ_ghost I bet there's a way, but I dunno
[10:35] <QQ_ghost> {alejandro}: that's ok, lol - i'll find it another day...
[10:36] <ElitePete> trappist, thanks, burning much faster now
[10:36] <merkur> Ok, to rephrase my question, where can i put a "me too"-flag to the "fakeraid installation problem"?
[10:37] <merkur> Ah, no, skip that one..
[10:37] <merkur> Umm.. There is a Howto for the beforementioned problem..
[10:37] <trappist> aforementioned
[10:37] <merkur> Sorry :-)
[10:37] <merkur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[10:38] <tdn> crimsun, where do I read what to write in the confs??
[10:38] <merkur> But I'd love to see the next release to have it working out-of-the-box. And my question is: How can I contribute with beginner skills?
[10:39] <crimsun> tdn: what is your wireless deviceL
[10:39] <crimsun> s/L/\?/
[10:39] <trappist> merkur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[10:40] <merkur> Thanks, that's what I've been searching for :-)
[10:40] <tdn> crimsun, crimsun crimsun Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[10:40] <crimsun> tdn: so eth0 or eth1?
[10:41] <Jormundgand> crimsun: "aoss firefox" now plays. However, I'm getting no dmix.
[10:41] <tdn> crimsun, eth1
[10:41] <merkur> Umm.. this
[10:41] <tdn> crimsun, eth1
[10:41] <tdn> crimsun, eth1
[10:41] <{alejandro}> ok, crimsun, I finally found a wav to play with aplay and it didn't work without args
[10:42] <crimsun> {alejandro}: which args do you have to use?
[10:42] <erUSUL> sudo ifup eth1 (just in case ;))
[10:42] <{alejandro}> with the arg -D plughw:0,1 it played for a second like in xmms and beep
[10:42] <merkur> Umm, to resolve that problem, a package will have to be moved from universe to main..
[10:42] <crimsun> Jormundgand: while a flash applet is running, please look at the output of ''lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''
[10:42] <merkur> Ah, someone already got into that problem.. :-)
[10:42] <crimsun> merkur: which one?
[10:43] <{alejandro}> crimsun (I am using 0,1 with beep and xmms)
[10:43] <merkur> dmraid as it seems...
[10:43] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Nothing.
[10:43] <crimsun> {alejandro}: it doesn't work at all with hw:0,0 or plughw:0,0 ?
[10:44] <Jormundgand> However, my headphones are acting up again.
[10:44] <crimsun> Jormundgand: the flash applet has no sound?
[10:44] <crimsun> ...
[10:44] <Jormundgand> Flash has sound, but the lsof command does nothing.
[10:44] <Jormundgand> And my headphones are acting up again. The sound they give is fuzzy.
[10:45] <merkur> crimsun: See here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15897
[10:45] <crimsun> run the command while the sound is playing
[10:45] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[10:45] <merkur> crimsun: So I suppose, all I can do now is wait..
[10:45] <tdn> crimsun, Im a bit lost here :(
[10:46] <tdn> crimsun, where do I write my password?
[10:46] <Jormundgand> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5834
[10:46] <padraig_> where is a good place to mount a data partition on a slave drive?
[10:46] <crimsun> tdn: ok, first you'll need to edit /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[10:46] <crimsun> tdn: you need a line that says: OPTIONS="-i eth1 -D ipw -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -w"
[10:47] <crimsun> merkur: right.
[10:47] <tdn> crimsun, yes?
[10:47] <tdn> crimsun, should I uncomment that line?
[10:47] <merkur> crimsun: Okay. Thanks :-)
[10:47] <crimsun> tdn: you need that precise line that I just gave you
[10:47] <tdn> crimsun, ok. Thanks.
[10:47] <tdn> crimsun, then what?
[10:48] <crimsun> tdn: also make sure you change the ENABLED=0 to ENABLED=1
[10:48] <tdn> crimsun, should I start a wpa supplicant daemon?
[10:48] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[10:48] <crimsun> tdn: no, now you have to configure the real conffile
[10:48] <tdn> crimsun, ok.
[10:48] <crimsun> Jormundgand: that looks proper for one instance
[10:48] <tdn> crimsun, I have typed in my SSID
[10:48] <tdn> crimsun, what to write in key_mgt?
[10:49] <crimsun> Jormundgand: next try playing that flash applet with a concurrent ''aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav''
[10:49] <crimsun> tdn: you just need a network={} stanza in which you have your ssid and psk
[10:50] <tdn> crimsun, ok. Then what?
[10:50] <crimsun> did you type in your psk string?
[10:50] <puma_83> hello everybody! can someone help me with ? i want to install ubuntu DVD with PXE on my tablet pc(fujitsu stylistic lt c-500)
[10:50] <tdn> crimsun, yes. Without "".
[10:50] <Jormundgand> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5835
[10:50] <phlaegel> Seveas: ping
[10:50] <tdn> crimsun, key_mgmt=mypsk
[10:50] <crimsun> tdn: ascii or hex?
[10:51] <tdn> crimsun, ascii
[10:51] <Seveas> phlaegel, "yo 'sup dude"?
[10:51] <crimsun> tdn: omit key_mgmt=
[10:51] <tdn> crimsun, Ok?
[10:51] <crimsun> tdn: also, generate the hex
[10:51] <tdn> crimsun, key_mgmt=NONE
[10:51] <tdn> crimsun, how?
[10:51] <phlaegel> Seveas: I can't download the w32codecs or java pkgs from your repo... is that on purpose?
[10:51] <crimsun> tdn: no, omit it completely.
[10:51] <crimsun> tdn: read what I said above about you only needing your ssid and psk
[10:52] <tdn> crimsun, ok. It says NONE now. I just delete the line.
[10:52] <tdn> crimsun, but where to type in my psk?
[10:52] <a-865> how much space for / does edubuntu really need to install? I've failed twice now with disk full errors :(
[10:52] <crimsun> tdn: man wpa_passphrase
[10:52] <Jowi> a-865: last night a normal install was 1.6 gb
[10:52] <Seveas> phlaegel, yup
[10:52] <crimsun> tdn: notice: wpa_passphrase ssid "your ascii passphrase"
[10:53] <a-865> Jowi: my first try had 1.95G, and today I tried on 2.25G and failed again
[10:53] <Seveas> a-865, during install little over a GB
[10:53] <Jormundgand> crimsun: What happens depends which gets there first. If the aplay starts first I get that playing and no sound from the Flash. If I play the Flash first the aplay waits for the Flash to stop and then plays.
[10:53] <crimsun> tdn: that gives you the hex representation that you paste into your conf
[10:53] <Seveas> but after install less than that
[10:53] <phlaegel> Seveas: ok. any idea whether you'll have them available at some point again?
[10:53] <Seveas> phlaegel, only on request :)
[10:54] <tdn> crimsun, thanks. Then what?
[10:54] <crimsun> Jormundgand: do two instances of aplay work?
[10:54] <phlaegel> Seveas: so does this count as a request? ;-)
[10:54] <Jowi> a-865: the final size for it was 1.6gb. but i have no idea how much it needs while unpacking and installing the stuff. i had a 3gb partition for it that worked fine at least.
[10:54] <lucasvo> how much space does one need to install edubuntu?
[10:54] <Seveas> try apt-get to find out :)
[10:55] <Seveas> Jowi, that's about what it needs during install
[10:55] <crimsun> tdn: sudo ifdown --force eth1 && sudo invoke-rc.d wpasupplicant start && sudo ifup eth1
[10:55] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Again, the second waits for the first to stop before playing.
[10:55] <crimsun> Jormundgand: and this is with plain aplay, correct?
[10:55] <Jormundgand> crimsun: yes.
[10:55] <Jowi> Seveas: nice to know
[10:55] <tdn> crimsun, ok. Thanks. Now my net goes down.... Will it work just after these commands?
[10:56] <crimsun> Jormundgand: what happens if you use concurrent instances of ''aplay -Dplug:dmix /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav''?
[10:56] <crimsun> tdn: it should, but that depends on your AP
[10:56] <Jormundgand> crimsun: They seem to play concurrently.
[10:56] <Jowi> Seveas: is 3gb the recommended minimum size ?
[10:57] <crimsun> Jormundgand: so it's a config issue, thanks for debugging. I'll patch it upstream.
[10:57] <crimsun> the usb driver just needs to be added to the list of dmixed by default.
[10:57] <Jormundgand> crimsun: So that's successfully debugged. What should I do to get it working here and now?
[10:58] <Jormundgand> crimsun: To clarify (now I read your second line) what should I do?
[10:58] <lucasvo> Seveas: how?
[10:58] <crimsun> Jormundgand: you'll need to explicitly use the dmixed virtual device each instance whenever you use a usb sound device
[10:58] <Seveas> lucasvo, ???
[10:59] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Hate to seem stupid (I *am* a GNOME user, I suppose =P) but how does that apply to Firefox et al?
[10:59] <lucasvo> Seveas: you said try apt-get and find out
[10:59] <crimsun> Jormundgand: you need to set ALSA_OSS_PCM_DEVICE=/dev/dsp
[10:59] <Seveas> lucasvo, that was to phlaegel
[10:59] <crimsun> Jormundgand: (environment variable)
[11:00] <lucasvo> Seveas: sry
[11:00] <crimsun> Jormundgand: next you need your old /etc/asound.conf
[11:00] <Jormundgand> crimsun: you mean before the changes I made to it?
[11:00] <crimsun> Jormundgand: make sure you have: pcm.dsp { type plug   slave.pcm "dmix" }
[11:00] <crimsun> Jormundgand: an asound.conf should be as simple as possible
[11:02] <Mabus06> how do you make blootbots unignore people?
[11:02] <Mabus06> I own a bot and it ignored me. :S
[11:02] <pozdiy> how can I switch on and off  font antialiasing under KDE? Currently displayed fonts are somewhat fuzzy  for my eyes...
[11:03] <trappist> pozdiy: there's a checkbox under appearance => fonts in the system settings
[11:03] <albacker> pozdiy, use gnome, its better than kde [in my opinion]
[11:04] <trappist> pfft.
[11:04] <Jormundgand> crimsun: I have pcm.dsp0 { type plug   slave.pcm "dmixer"}
[11:04] <pozdiy> trappist, thnx wil try it now
[11:04] <crimsun> Jormundgand: something like my amendment at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5836
[11:04] <{alejandro}> albacker, tell that to linus
[11:05] <pozdiy> albacker, I switched to KDE because something happened to my Gnome configuration - when I login top and bottom bars appear and nothing more
[11:05] <{alejandro}> yeah, actually, gnome session has been broken on mine since I instaled
[11:05] <{alejandro}> so I have been using xfce
[11:05] <{alejandro}> it's not a problem, but hey
[11:05] <albacker> {alejandro}, i dont cafe what linus says, he has his opinion.. noone should do what he says..
[11:06] <{alejandro}> albacker, I agree, but I wanted to bring it up because it makes me giggle
[11:06] <albacker> s/cafe/care *
[11:06] <{alejandro}> gnome  made him cuss and spit
[11:06] <Kibou> it does that to alot of people actually
[11:06] <{alejandro}> I am rather fond of xfce so I am fine
[11:06] <albacker> me too, and ive been talkind and discussing about this during the last days : {alejandro}
[11:07] <{alejandro}> personally, it's not an issue for me
[11:07] <{alejandro}> but as a former mac user, my thoughts are an HIG is nothing but good
[11:07] <albacker> that makes me look to Linus in a different, way ;D
[11:07] <{alejandro}> and a crappy reason to get mad
[11:07] <crimsun> apologies, I have to go.
[11:07] <albacker> he doesnt have to take any dm part.. he should do "war" about lINUX and not about kde or gnome !
[11:08] <albacker> dm = desktop manager
[11:08] <albacker> anyway, its his opinion..
[11:08] <{alejandro}> It's not like it's a big issue anyway. There is a reason we have freedesktop
[11:08] <{alejandro}> the freedom to pick a dm is what makes linux delightful
[11:09] <albacker> someone told me that the e-mail might have been delivered from microsoft guys.. but linus has said nothing since the email appeared, so this makes the news true
[11:09] <Kibou> ..
[11:09] <Nytryx> humm
[11:09] <Jormundgand> crimsun: Now Flash video works but no sound.
[11:10] <{alejandro}> dude, crimsun left
[11:10] <albacker> gnome rox, anyone should use gnome,
[11:10] <nickrud> I kinda feel sorry for Linus; the poor guy throws out one quick opinion and gets picked at from left and right
[11:11] <jenda_zZz> nickrud: What was that? Seems like I missed out on some news...
[11:11] <albacker> crimsun apologies, I have to go.
[11:11] <albacker> * crimsun has quit ("leaving")
[11:11] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[11:11] <{alejandro}> albacker, I would use gnome if it actually worked on my computer
[11:11] <nickrud> anyone have the link to the email handy?
[11:11] <Jormundgand> Bother.
[11:11] <runevi> Hmpfh.  Why is 'unrar' nonfree?  Is 'rar' patented?  If not, why isn't there any free implementations yet? :)
[11:11] <{alejandro}> it was broken when I installed
[11:11] <{alejandro}> runevi: it's in multverse
[11:11] <_jason> runevi, there are: unrar-free
[11:11] <pozdiy> {alejandro}, how exactly was it broken?
[11:12] <albacker> {alejandro}, just uninstall it, and install again.. it will work fine. or just find the problem and fix it.
[11:12] <runevi> {alejandro} / _jason : Uhm .. I know .. but why is it non-free? :)
[11:12] <runevi> licencing or patenting?
[11:12] <{alejandro}> look it up
[11:12] <{alejandro}> wikipedia is great for that kind of thing
[11:12] <_jason> runevi, that I don't know
[11:12] <{alejandro}> pozdiy, the session won't start
[11:12] <{alejandro}> I had to use console mode for a whie and install evilwm
[11:12] <albacker> {alejandro}, there should be a reason for that.
[11:13] <runevi> I probably should.  it would be cool to implement a free verson :)
[11:13] <nickrud> http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000395.html <-- jenda_zZz
[11:13] <jenda_zZz> nickrud: thx
[11:13] <{alejandro}> I could get a pseudo gnome session from the xterm by running panels
[11:13] <pozdiy> {alejandro}, it starts for me, but no icons or menus appear, only top and bottom bars...
[11:13] <{alejandro}> but I eventually swiched to xfce
[11:13] <{alejandro}> pozdiy, I didn't even get to the bars
[11:14] <pozdiy> {alejandro}, oic
[11:14] <{alejandro}> I had to use xterm, then gnome-terminal, then call up the bars
[11:14] <Kyral> Fluxbox :D
[11:14] <alexissoft> hi
[11:14] <{alejandro}> and nautilus
[11:14] <thomas> anyone know how i can adjust my monitor's gamma? .jpegs look like 256 color .gifs and it's fugly
[11:14] <Raskall> I have just upgraded to breezy on my server. Why do I get <F5> <F8> and similar things for my national characters in slrn?
[11:14] <{alejandro}> yeah, the session manager for gnome is too flaky for my tastes
[11:14] <{alejandro}> but from a ui standpoint it is lovely
[11:15] <Kyral> I seem to have progressed to Fluxbox
[11:15] <runevi> Seems that the source code for RAR is distributed, but under a licence which forbids reverse engineering.
[11:15] <{alejandro}> how is that
[11:15] <{alejandro}> aha
[11:15] <Kyral> Fluxbox?
[11:15] <thomas> i can't stand fluxbox
[11:15] <{alejandro}> yeah
[11:15] <Kyral> Definately not for the first time user
[11:15] <thomas> my no. 1 is Xfce4
[11:15] <{alejandro}> yeah, I as well thomas
[11:15] <nickrud> thomas, you can get gammapage (not in the repos, but simple python) to figure the gamma you want, then set it permanently in xorg.conf
[11:15] <runevi> Wonder how much work it would be for a decent hacker to reverse engineneer from binary, and for someone else to implement it.
[11:15] <Kyral> if you LOVE being able to tweak EVERYTHING in your WM
[11:15] <qwehnce> ive got a quick question about apt-get and manually downloaded .debs
[11:15] <albacker> 1.GNOME 2.fluxbox 3.fvwm     my favourites !!!!
[11:15] <{alejandro}> oh, it's like blackbox, yes?
[11:15] <pozdiy> thomas, do you recommend it over FVWM?
[11:16] <Kyral> and don't mind editing config files to do it
[11:16] <qwehnce> im to used to gentoo's portage
[11:16] <thomas> honestly? yes.
[11:16] <thomas> i like xfwm, and xfce4
[11:16] <thomas> they work very well
[11:16] <{alejandro}> I might try the enlightenment-xfce combo
[11:16] <NiZo_> Hi all, please I have installed "ubuntu 5.10" and there is missed password for thr root access? can someone know it please.
[11:16] <albacker> xfce4 is a dm and fluxbnox a wm.. desktop manager and window manager.
[11:16] <{alejandro}> I heard that was great
[11:16] <thomas> thanks nickrud i'll look into it
[11:17] <Kyral> ubotu tell NiZo_ about RootSudo
[11:17] <{alejandro}> xfce for handling gnome and kde stuff and enlightenment wm
[11:17] <runevi> Personally I prefer KDE .. it's just so nice, has all the features I've enjoyed in other WM's, and so forth
[11:17] <albacker> NiZo_, maybe the user password ! try that.
[11:17] <Dido-> NiZo_, the password is same as your user account
[11:17] <nickrud> thomas, I used that on a voodoo and an i810, works well
[11:17] <Kyral> NiZo_: ubotu just PM'd you a link
[11:17] <pozdiy> !tell NiZo_ about root
[11:17] <{alejandro}> use sudo
[11:17] <runevi> .. hmm.. possibly except one.  Afterstep had a wonderfull feature .. that you could scroll from one desktop to the next.
[11:17] <thomas> albacker, yes, but xfce4 comes with xfwm, xfce's window manager
[11:17] <qwehnce> how do i use apt-get for .deb's ive downloaded
[11:17] <runevi> .. and stop inbetween.
[11:17] <albacker> thomas :) yes ..
[11:18] <Kyral> qwehnce: sudo dpkg -i <path/to/deb>
[11:18] <runevi> that one I miss.  Except for that one, KDE fills all my needs. :)
[11:18] <qwehnce> thanks
[11:18] <thomas> how would i set it in python nickrud?
[11:18] <pozdiy> runevi, I believe FVWM also has a virtual desktop
[11:18] <thomas> is there a page or summat? i'm more of a c/java guy
[11:18] <runevi> pozdiy: Yeah, it does.  Problem is, I don't _like_ FVWM. :-/
[11:18] <Kyral> Like I said I've been using Linux long enough that I know exactly what I need, and what I like, so I just tweaked Flux to be that :D
[11:18] <runevi> pozdiy: While I _love_ KDE. :-)
[11:18] <nickrud> thomas, no, get gammapage, it's a python app. you can adjust the gamma with that. To make it permanent, add a line Gamma to your monitor config in xorg.conf
[11:18] <Kyral> I used GNOME, then XFCE
[11:18] <{alejandro}> kyral, can you use flux with xfce
[11:19] <pozdiy> runevi, OK
[11:19] <{alejandro}> like replace xfwm
[11:19] <Kyral> {alejandro}: no idea
[11:19] <NiZo_> and about the KDE enveronnement how can I install it?
[11:19] <{alejandro}> I think it is time to try
[11:19] <Kibou> scroll from one desktop to the next?
[11:19] <thomas> thanks nickrud  i misunderstood
[11:19] <{alejandro}> because fluxbox is just a wm
[11:19] <runevi> NiZo_: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <{alejandro}> correct?
[11:19] <Kyral> NiZo_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <thomas> KDE is too bloated for smaller systems...i'm on 300mhz atm...lol
[11:19] <Kyral> {alejandro}: yes
[11:19] <{alejandro}> k
[11:19] <{alejandro}> and it will take the --replace flag
[11:19] <runevi> thomas: I used to run KDE under FreeBSD on a 200Mhz, and it worked like a charm.
[11:19] <runevi> thomas: For some reason, I've never had as fast a KDE as 3.0 under FreeBSD
[11:20] <tdn> crimson: It didnt :(
[11:20] <tdn> crimson: I couldnt get online with that :(
[11:20] <pozdiy> thomas, blackbox and its derivatives use vector graphics for their widgets, wonder if any other WM does the same?
[11:20] <runevi> thomas: .. and that was a box with only 128mb ram :)
[11:20] <Kibou> in kde you actually can scroll from one desktop to the next..
[11:20] <{alejandro}> same in xfce
[11:21] <runevi> Kibou: Okay?
[11:21] <Kyral> Kibou: with Fluxbox as well
[11:21] <runevi> Kibou: and 'stop' in between?
[11:21] <thomas> runevi, tried on 700MHz celeron and it was hellish
[11:21] <runevi> Kibou: .. and have one app "in between" one desktop and another? :)
[11:21] <thomas> using gentoo linux
[11:21] <Kibou> ah.. I see.. no not like that :)
[11:21] <runevi> thomas: Strange.. it runs wonderfully on my 900Mhz Duron.
[11:22] <Kyral> I have enough power to run KDE, but for some reason I like Fluxbox
[11:22] <ktogias_> Hi, Is any app in Breezy to download my contacts from my SonyEricsson T10i cell phone to my pc, in any format, through infrared?
[11:22] <nickrud> add brightside to gnome and get edgeflipping as well
[11:22] <thomas> pozdiy, no idea...i can tell you ones i know that don't :P
[11:22] <thomas> runevi, and i had 384MB of RAM
[11:23] <pozdiy> thomas, that fact makes them extremely fast on slower machines...
[11:23] <thomas> pozdiy, yeah, lightweight wm's are nice, i just don't like the menu-based system
[11:23] <pozdiy> thomas, what do you prefer instead?
[11:24] <Kyral> I actually love the right click menu :D
[11:24] <thomas> i have to use f12 to right clock so it annoys me
[11:24] <thomas> pozdiy, i like toolbar and panel based systems
[11:25] <thomas> i guess you could refer to them as menu bar based systems as well
[11:25] <thomas> i'd use fluxbox if i could find a decent theme, and right clicking was a little easier with a one button mouse :P
[11:26] <pozdiy> thomas, I can't live without 3-button mouse - copy-paste with left and middle buttons - how to do that with 1 button?
[11:28] <[alejandro] > ah
[11:28] <[alejandro] > well that went badly
[11:29] <thomas> pozdiy, usually it involves a button combo
[11:29] <thomas> hold on..imma grab a usb mouse
[11:29] <[alejandro] > wait, what's the prob?
[11:29] <thomas> yay right clickery
[11:31] <thomas> i wanna kick gstreamer..it's taking forever to set up
[11:31] <thomas> it's been an hour or so now
[11:32] <runevi>  How do I remove an md-array from the bootup procedures?
[11:33] <runevi> I've got a corrupt md-array, which hangs ubuntu during boot.  Howerver, it's not needed for booting, and I'll gladly just recreate it.
[11:33] <runevi> There is currently no data on it.
[11:33] <runevi> I get the error: "glibc detected - corrupted double-linked list" - and the system hangs.
[11:33] <runevi> but it's just a fscked md-array.
[11:33] <runevi> well, non-fsckable anyways ;D
[11:37] <pozdiy> runevi, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm ?
[11:37] <runevi> pozdiy: Well, no.
[11:37] <lilg> Evening all, ive had a little trouble with my cd drive on my laptop, but i did find a 6meg mini iso which works but in installation something didnt install and failed
[11:37] <runevi> pozdiy: The kernel I _can_ boot with doesn't have drivers that recognize the sata-controllers.
[11:37] <pozdiy> runevi, sorry then
[11:37] <lilg> i can boot into ubuntu and get bash, can i see where it failed?
[11:37] <runevi> pozdiy: The kernel I _cannot_ boot with recognized the sata-controllers .. ubuntu tries to use the drive, and the box hangs.
[11:38] <runevi> pozdiy: It's probably a configuration file I just need to remove a line from.
[11:38] <runevi> pozdiy: Or a rcX.d script I need to remove from a runlevel.
[11:38] <runevi> pozdiy: But I'm fscked if it just checks the disk for an md-partition and goes bust if the partition is bust.
[11:38] <runevi> (in which case ubuntu should fix it)
[11:39] <runevi> (.. since i need to reinstall then ;)
[11:41] <lilg> anybody got any idea's?
[11:43] <NiZo_> please can someone help me with this command line using ubuntu 5.10: ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[11:43] <runevi> NiZo_: yes.
[11:43] <runevi> NiZo_: If i remember correctly, drop 'ether', and just fill in the mac.
[11:44] <pozdiy> lilg, to look under /var/log?
[11:44] <runevi> NiZo_: Or , drop 'hw'.. don't remember exactly, but the manpage is not exact there.
[11:44] <{alejandro}> hm
[11:44] <{alejandro}> messing with window managers is funner than I thought
[11:45] <NiZo_> runevi: when I have wrote the command that I have given : it said that the command is nor permitted
[11:45] <Zambba> Is there some way to search does some file contain some rows, that one other file also contains?
[11:45] <Jormundgand> So I'm trying to get dmix working across the board. As always, Flash in Firefox is the problem. I've set ALSA_OSS_PCM_DEVICE=/dev/dsp in /etc/environment and have pastebinned my asound.conf here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5837 - what am I missing?
[11:45] <runevi> NiZo_: You need to remove either 'hw' or 'ether' from the command, I don't remember which one.  The manpage is wrong.
[11:45] <lilg> grr why didnt i think og it
[11:46] <nickrud> Jormundgand, I may be wrong here, but I think you need to put that environment var in /etc/profile, not /etc/environment
[11:46] <zparta> i have added a controllercard to my system, its found in lspci but dmesg says nothing about it, do i have do detect it or something so the kernel module is loaded ?
[11:46] <mfarquhar> does anybody here know how to fix KDM/KDE/X problems?
[11:47] <NiZo_> runevi:ok, and about the command "service", on other distrib I use for exemple => service network stop|start|restart ==> and under ubuntu ?
[11:47] <runevi> NiZo_: Probably /etc/init.d/network or something
[11:47] <nickrud> Jormundgand, never mind me, I had a bit of a brain foart here
[11:48] <runevi> NiZo_: I'm an ubuntu newbie, so don't expect exact ubuntu questions from me.  But I've had the same problem as you with mac-addresses. ;D
[11:48] <runevi> NiZo_: .. but then undre suse. ;D
[11:48] <nickrud> NiZo_, the command you're looking for is invoke-rc.d
[11:48] <lilg> pozdiy: possible to copy the contents of this hard drive onto the laptop, this being almost fresh install?
[11:49] <NiZo_> nickrud, so the command "service" is "invoke-rc.d" ?
[11:49] <Jormundgand> I need to find a way to get Firefox's Flash player to play through dmix. Currently if I try to dmix anything while a Flash movie is playing I get "Device or resource busy".
[11:49] <nickrud> NiZo_, the closest analogue, yes.
[11:49] <Jormundgand> But two "aplay -Dplug:dmix /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav" processes happily interweave.
[11:50] <nickrud> NiZo_, invoke-rc.d cupsys stop , for example
[11:50] <jahshua> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[11:51] <jahshua> whats the difference between the install and live cd links on there?
[11:51] <jahshua> for pc
[11:51] <mfarquhar> i can't do anything in X/KDE i cant right click i cant shutdown and i cant switch tot terminal does anybody know how to fix this
[11:51] <nickrud> jahshua, the live runs ubuntu in ram, without putting anything on the harddrive, the other is an install
[11:51] <mfarquhar> the live is like knoppix
[11:51] <zparta> 0000:00:0d.0 RAID bus controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 13)
[11:52] <zparta> is there anyway to check if the module needed for that one is present ?
[11:52] <jahshua> if i run the install will it delete xp ?
[11:52] <Jormundgand> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5838 - I was playing the Flash movie and tried to play the sound. This is the result.
[11:52] <mfarquhar> it could possibly delete XP if you don't know how to repartition your drive
[11:52] <mfarquhar> through the installer
[11:53] <nickrud> jahshua, no, *if you resize the xp partition to make room for ubuntu. The installer can do that. (defrag before installing)
[11:53] <jahshua> i think i have already repartioned it, i reinstalled and i now have a c: drive, d: drive and a boot utility partition on my f12 menu at reboot
[11:53] <mfarquhar> when you install you need to keep your existing XP partiton then add however many Ubuntu partitions 1-to-lots and a swap partiton about twice the size of your current ram
[11:53] <nickrud> if you don't care about d:, you can use that partition.
[11:54] <jahshua> im using d: as my main one currently
[11:54] <mfarquhar> D: = windows swap unless it is another physical drive (ussually)
[11:54] <nickrud> or c:, I was being traditional :)
[11:55] <mfarquhar> swap = virtual memory in case you didn't know
[11:55] <jahshua> d: total space 37gb c: 100mb
[11:55] <jahshua> heh
[11:56] <jahshua> i may have made a boob of the reinstall :p
[11:56] <mfarquhar> that's odd
[11:56] <jahshua> like i said i attempted a repartition
[11:56] <puff> A friend is asking me for advice on setting up linux on a mac, how well does ubuntu do on mac?
[11:56] <jahshua> i wasent 100% on everything i was doing(obviously)
[11:57] <{alejandro}> puff what kind
[11:57] <mfarquhar> try installing XP again then repartion again with help
[11:57] <zparta> anyone got a clue ?
[11:57] <puff> {alejandro}: He hasn't bought it yet.
[11:57] <{alejandro}> puff it is aright but sometimes there can be display problems with older macs
[11:57] <mfarquhar> ubuntu should work fine on MAC if you have proper install CD for PowerPC architecture
[11:57] <{alejandro}> puff My old g3 bondi imac couldn't handle it very well
[11:58] <{alejandro}> puff is he plannin on dualbooting?
[11:58] <mfarquhar> i think he does want to dual boot
[11:58] <nickrud> you may have problems with non-free multimedia on a mac
[11:58] <puff> {alejandro}: I suspect he has no idea :-)
[11:58] <puff> {alejandro}: Sez new mac, no dual-boot.
[11:58] <{alejandro}> puff I would reccommend it because mac os x is rather nice
[11:58] <mfarquhar> if yopu want to dual boot follow these simple instructions: (well maybe not so simple)
[11:58] <mfarquhar> install XP first
[11:59] <puff> {alejandro}: It's gonna be a laptop.
[11:59] <mfarquhar> then begin ubuntu installation
[11:59] <{alejandro}> puff actually, then it is not a good idea
[11:59] <{alejandro}> puff new laptops use the airport express card, which lacks free drivers
[11:59] <{alejandro}> puff what he could do instead, though, is use opendarwin or something
[11:59] <lilg> anyone know how to copy this install over to another hard drive?
[11:59] <Chousuke> actually...
[12:00] <mfarquhar> when i gets to partitioning keep your XP partion but rersize it to whatever size and then add Ubuntu and Swap partitions
[12:00] <mfarquhar> install


[00:11] <kgb> o/
[06:43]  * twager is listening to LSO - Britten - Pears - Britten Nocturne for tenor, 7 obligato instruments & strings Op.60  - Serenade for Tenor, Horn & Strings Op.31 - V. Dirge [Audacious]
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <bjsnider> can someone with unity open an image please?
[13:15] <bjsnider> wrong channel
[18:51] <sdn3rd> hey does anyone know of a good howto for storing empathy conversation history in evolution?
[18:55] <bazhang> for 13.10?
[18:57] <sdn3rd> yes
[18:57] <sdn3rd> 13.10
[19:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu for that please
[19:12] <sdn3rd> asked there, no answer :P is this now the alpha channel?
[19:12] <bazhang> pre-alpha
[19:13] <Pici> It will be.
[19:13] <sdn3rd> well boo
[19:13] <sdn3rd> :\


[01:11] <Starlight_> Can someone please tell me what VNC viewer application to use to connect to the new Ubuntu from Win7 (the Ubuntu Desktop has 3d drivers)??
[01:12] <Starlight_> I'm using I'm using RealVNC, and the picture is not refreshed.. It's just a static..
[01:13] <Starlight_> Why did I type that twice..  lol  :-P
[01:14] <philballew> a lot of people use teamviewer these days Starlight_
[01:15] <philballew> its really simple, but its alright for cross platform stuff
[01:15] <Starlight_> Hmm.. Ok! I would love to have VNC working though..
[01:15] <Starlight_> I'm used to using TeamViewer, but still like the permanent display sharing built into Ubuntu..
[01:16] <Starlight_> I used to work perfect without 3d display drivers..
[01:19] <Starlight_> Can TeamViewer be permanent? When I use it on windows, you have to have a application running and it sometimes disconnect, also it seems that TeamViewer connects via it's servers instead of using the host as server.. Is this correct?
[01:20] <philballew> Starlight_, you cen get vnc working, I was just saying the popular thing
[01:20] <philballew> if you want vnc, you should set up ssh and tunnel vnc through that.
[01:21] <philballew> use putty on win7 to connect to ubuntu
[01:21] <Starlight_> Finally some useful information.. Thanks..
[01:21] <Starlight_> How do I set up ssh
[01:21] <philballew> alright, so with ssh you have your client and your server
[01:22] <philballew> your gonna want to set up the server on ubuntu
[01:22] <philballew> so thats done via sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:22] <philballew> then that will install. that allows you to ssh in from another computer
[01:23] <JoseeAntonioR> But, before that
[01:23] <JoseeAntonioR> remember to forward the ports to your PC (port 22 unless you change it), otherwise, it will refuse connections
[01:23] <philballew> yes Starlight_ listen to JoseeAntonioR
[01:23] <philballew> it should open automaticly, but thats if your on your local network
[01:24] <philballew> so if i were you id give ubuntu a static ip
[01:24] <JoseeAntonioR> static internal IP
[01:24] <JoseeAntonioR> once you get that, forward the ports to that IP
[01:25] <philballew> http://askubuntu.com/questions/136671/how-to-login-into-a-ubuntu-machine-from-windows
[01:25] <philballew> second answer shows some good stuff
[01:26] <philballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/
[01:26] <Starlight_> Yeah I know about port forwarding.. Does SSH show a graphical view of the desktop, or just a command line thingy?
[01:27] <philballew> ssh is cli, but I think ssh -X is graphical.
[01:27] <philballew> JoseeAntonioR, tell me im right ^
[01:27] <JoseeAntonioR> philballew: never heard about ssh -X, always used normal ssh
[01:29] <philballew> Starlight_, mind a little reading?
[01:29] <philballew> http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi
[01:31] <philballew> but Starlight_ that vnc ubuntu guide should say it
[01:31] <philballew> but id use putty
[01:32] <Starlight_> But I need a graphical view.. :-P
[01:34] <philballew> Starlight_, yeah!
[01:34] <philballew> thats what I am saying
[01:34] <philballew> you tunnel tour vnc connection through your ssh connection
[01:34] <Starlight_> Ok
[01:34] <Starlight_> The pagge says this: If you connect to a VNC server, can see the initial desktop, can see the mouse moving around, but the rest of the screen doesn't update, then you probably need to disable desktop effects on the shared desktop
[01:34] <Starlight_> page*
[01:35] <philballew> hum, you might have to do that then
[01:35] <Starlight_> But SSH is more secure over the net?
[01:35] <philballew> much
[01:35] <philballew> much
[01:35] <philballew> more
[01:35] <Starlight_> And it doesn't matter waht client I use?
[01:35] <Starlight_> what*
[01:35] <philballew> not really
[01:36] <Starlight_> Nice!
[01:36] <philballew> I only have seen putty used, but I dont use windows so I dont know much there
[01:36] <Starlight_> But is SSH the display sharing server or is it just a protocoll server?
[01:37] <philballew> not sure
[01:37] <philballew> ssh stands foe secure shell
[01:37] <philballew> its what transmits your shell to you
[01:38] <philballew> I have to head out. if you need any more help id ask on here or askubuntu
[01:38] <Starlight_> Ok
[01:38] <Starlight_> I'll look into it later.. It's 4 am here in the morning..
[01:38] <Starlight_> Thank you for the help! :-)
[01:38] <Starlight_> Very usefull information..
[01:38] <Starlight_> useful*
[01:39] <refuse> :)
[01:39] <refuse> <3
[01:40] <Starlight_> Good night..
[01:40] <refuse> good night :)
[12:04] <JasperCoenraats> hello everybody
[12:04] <JasperCoenraats> are there speakers of Dutch language in here?
[12:06] <JasperCoenraats> I guess as a beginner with Ubuntu Lynus I can meet some more experienced users that can help me in here?
[12:06] <bioterror> probably
[12:08] <JasperCoenraats> bioterror: I was getting anoid, airritated, etc, by the MS software, so Iḿ trying this now
[12:09] <JasperCoenraats> bioterror: as far as I am now, I seem to have succesfully installed Ubuntu and some other software, but i don't seem to get the clou for some other issues
[12:10] <JasperCoenraats> Is there a way in particular how I can get the information I want. And is there such information available in Dutch or German?
[12:11] <bioterror> dutch loco is active
[12:11] <bioterror> !loco | JasperCoenraats
[12:11] <ubot2> JasperCoenraats: Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[12:11] <bioterror> I would love to chat about these things, but I have to flee
[12:11] <JasperCoenraats> thnx, bioterror
[12:11] <bioterror> work to do :D
[14:18] <hFasdas> pyuic4 returns  error  RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v8.0 to v8.1 but the PyQt4.QtCore module requires API v7.1            any idea how to make it work?
[16:28] <vikas_> hi
[16:28] <vikas_> anyone there??
[16:30] <vikas_> hello
[16:31] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi, vikas_
[16:32] <vikas_> hi josee
[16:33] <vikas_> can u solve a problem abt ubuntu 12.04
[16:33] <vikas_> ??
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> !ask
[16:33] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> !details
[16:33] <vikas_>  not able to open certain websites like yahoo.com,hotmail,facebook etc tried many thing but wont work
[16:33] <ubot2> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[16:34] <vikas_> i installed ubuntu 12.04
[16:34] <vikas_> i m a newbie
[16:36] <cortman> Has the general intellectual quality of humanity dramatically decreased in the last * years, or is it just my observation?
[16:43] <JoseeAntonioR> wow, he/she quit without even reading the last factoid I sent
[19:15] <Sven_> hey
[19:16] <Sven_> can you help me with a problem?
[19:18] <bioterror> seems like no
[19:28] <cortman> lol
[21:30] <nicola> ciao!
[21:30] <stlsaint> nicola: hello
[21:30] <nicola> hi. english or italian language here?
[21:31] <Unit193> English.
[21:31] <nicola> fine :-)
[21:32] <nicola> quite silent...
[21:32] <nicola> i'm quite fresh to ubuntu and irc as well
[21:32] <nicola> and fresh about this irssi client too :-)
[21:32] <stlsaint> nicola: irssi is the best :D
[21:33] <cortman> nicola, welcome, then. :)
[21:33] <cortman> And don't pay attention to stlsaint . Xchat FTW!
[21:33] <nicola> thanks!
[21:33] <cortman> :p
[21:33] <nicola> i agree about this irssi... from the documentation it looks very very very powerful
[21:34] <nicola> but need practice... i do feel quite lost without a mouse pointer to click around :-p
[21:34] <nicola> but it was the same with vi at the beginning ;-)
[21:37] <nicola> any suggestion for a channel where i can find some discussion about openvpn server implementation on ubuntuserver or debian?
[21:41] <nicola> maybe not... :-p
[21:42] <nicola> will try to have a look around. bye and regards to all of you!
[21:47] <stlsaint> cortman: :P
[21:47] <stlsaint> lol
[21:50] <cortman> lol