[12:00] <Razor-X> Amaranth: w32codecs is legal, but non-free, IIRC
[12:00] <bagger> w32codecs are not illegal
[12:00] <bagger> absolutely not
[12:00] <Amaranth> It's so illegal it's almost funny.
[12:00] <mumbles> :p
[12:00] <bagger> it is a missunderstanding
[12:00] <Razor-X> hmmm, how so?
[12:00] <Razor-X> (not that I use them, anyways)
[12:00] <Amaranth> Copyright infringement.
[12:00] <bagger> no
[12:00] <Amaranth> Yes.
[12:00] <bagger> no
[12:01] <Amaranth> Explain why you think not or stop discussing it.
[12:01] <levander> I've never heard this before that w32codecs is copyright infringement, find hard to believe
[12:01] <bagger> ok.. end of discussion..
[12:01] <bagger> no use with you
[12:01] <bagger> it's a shame
[12:01] <bagger> :(
[12:01] <niran> levander, er... aren't the w32codecs copied straight from a windows installation?
[12:01] <mumbles> something to do with the fact that micro$t registered the code
[12:01] <Amaranth> levander: It's DLL files taken from a Windows machine. How could it not be copyright infringement?
[12:01] <Chris_Tucker> how do i make amaroK pick up my gnome esound audio device?
[12:01] <niran> levander, i.e. mostly copyright microsoft
[12:01] <demirg> crimsun: done, here is the link: http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~demirg/output.txt.bz2
[12:02] <levander> Amaranth: it's a copyright infringement to copy a file?
[12:02] <Amaranth> levander: ...
[12:02] <Wyzard> levander: If you don't have a license to do so, then yes
[12:02] <KinK> hmm.. where i can found ifconfig-ipaddress-config-file? :)
[12:03] <Wyzard> though the owner would have a hard time making a case against you if the DLL was meant for public use anyway
[12:03] <levander> bagger: beginning to see your point about no point...
[12:03] <crimsun> demirg: sec
[12:04] <robotgeek> KinK, try /etc/network/interfaces
[12:04] <Amaranth> It's the same as downloading music and movies off the internet.
[12:04] <bagger> ok.. let's turn it arround..
[12:04] <bagger> if.. so.. it means that wine is also illegal
[12:04] <KinK> robotgeek, tnx..
[12:04] <Amaranth> WINE is a reimplementation
[12:04] <bagger> because it uses copied dll's
[12:04] <levander> lol bagger
[12:04] <Amaranth> No it doesn't.
[12:04] <bagger> yes it does
[12:04] <bagger> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:04] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, bagger
[12:04] <Wyzard> bagger: Wine doesn't consist of code copies from Windows
[12:05] <levander> when did the copyright police start running this channel?
[12:05] <Amaranth> They wrote those DLLs.
[12:05] <thelow> anyone who knows how to mount a HFS+ (mac os x) volume in ubuntu?
[12:05] <Wyzard> bagger: The wine authors wrote it themselves
[12:05] <bagger> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[12:05] <bagger> lie lie lie
[12:05] <bagger> not true
[12:05] <tritium> bagger, please stop that
[12:05] <Amaranth> bagger: If you're using Windows DLLs you've done it yourself, WINE is all their own code.
[12:05] <bagger> they did copy it.. i have prove
[12:05] <bagger> they made a wrapper arround them
[12:05] <hybrid> if wine was illegal M$ would have deleted it by now
[12:05] <bagger> that's all
[12:05] <robotgeek> thelow, welcome back
[12:05] <thelow> oh. thanks
[12:05] <thelow> hi
[12:05] <Amaranth> levander: When discussion of illegal things became against the rules.
[12:06] <bagger> hybrid, that's my point
[12:06] <Wyzard> bagger: No, they independently reimplemented the Win32 API
[12:06] <Amaranth> bagger: They did not write a wrapper, I can show you code.
[12:06] <bagger> i can too
[12:06] <levander> boy, this channel would be a lot more on-topic if whoever asked a w32codec question would have just been "allowed" to ask it
[12:06] <Chris_Tucker> ok problem
[12:06] <Chris_Tucker> my firefox wont start
[12:06] <Amaranth> bagger: They wrote those DLL files to be an exact reimplementation of windows ones.
[12:06] <mumbles> :p
[12:06] <hybrid> they made a copy of the ddls b/c you couldnt take closed source and make it open
[12:07] <levander> Chris_Tucker: look in your profile directory for a file called lock, delete it, then restart firefox
[12:07] <catolh> Is there a good guide to get a higher rezolution than 1024@768 ?
[12:07] <Chris_Tucker> ok
[12:07] <bagger> Amaranth, well this is going to end nowhere i'm afraid
[12:07] <bagger> :P
[12:07] <catolh> or an easy trick?.. :p
[12:07] <Brunellus> aaaaaarrrhg.
[12:07] <bagger> yes vs no
[12:07] <Brunellus> Ok.  I'm trying to compile the madwifi driver
[12:07] <levander> bagger: police are just trained to enforce the law, often they don't know what the law is
[12:08] <Brunellus> and when I #make
[12:08] <Tomcat_> !root
[12:08] <ubotu> hmm... root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:08] <tritium> levander, and what are you implying?
[12:08] <Brunellus> it fails, and tells me to enable wireless extensions
[12:08] <Amaranth> levander: Is that you saying I have no idea what I'm talking about?
[12:08] <Brunellus> what on earth is that supposed to mean?
[12:08] <bagger> levander, ehmmm......... come again?
[12:09] <Amaranth> Anyway, discussion over. We're getting nothing out of it and we're way off-topic.
[12:09] <bagger> true..
[12:09] <bagger> :)
[12:09] <bagger> but it was nice.. and edgy too
[12:09] <bagger> >:)
[12:09] <demirg> crimsun: i have got to go to bed, it is too late over here
[12:09] <Chris_Tucker> thanks levander
[12:09] <hybrid> everyone meet in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:09] <bagger> lol
[12:09] <Brunellus> OK, now I'm mad.
[12:10] <Brunellus> are wireless extensions disabled by default in the hoary-386 kernel?
[12:10] <demirg> crimsun: see you tomorrow
[12:10] <tritium> Brunellus, no
[12:10] <robotgeek> Brunellus, i tht that was from wthe wireless-tools package?
[12:10] <crimsun> demirg: ok
[12:10] <Brunellus> no, I'm trying to build madwifi
[12:11] <Chris_Tucker> where do i find the firefox folder in which firefox is installed
[12:11] <bagger> catolh, to use higher resolution you might need to change your xorg.conf file and set the resolutions there
[12:11] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[12:11] <Brunellus> when I #make
[12:11] <bagger> catolh, and set the default resolution + color depth
[12:11] <levander> i thought i saw a reference somewhere that the ubuntu developers were more interested in amanda than mondo, nobody else has seen this?
[12:11] <Brunellus> madwifi just stops, and tells me to enable wireless extensiosn
[12:11] <othernoob> if i reinstall ubuntu, can i keep /home or does the ubuntu installer not allow that?
[12:11] <catolh> bagger, ok i'll try that
[12:11] <catolh> Thanks
[12:11] <bagger> np
[12:11] <KinK> tnx to all..
[12:12] <KinK> and good night
[12:12] <levander> Chris_Tucker: dpkg -L firefox shows you all the files in the firefox package
[12:12] <levander> othernoob: is /home on a separate partition than / is?
[12:12] <Brunellus> any enlightenment as to the failure of madwifi to build?
[12:12] <othernoob> levander: /home has its own hdd ;)
[12:13] <Amaranth> Brunellus: err, hoary has madwifi already
[12:13] <Amaranth> Brunellus: linux-restricted-modules
[12:13] <levander> Brunellus: sorry, i rarely every build my own software for linux.  I buy hardware that's already advertised as supported. Sorry, can't help.
[12:13] <bagger> othernoob, you can keep /home
[12:13] <bagger> as long it is a separate partition
[12:14] <bagger> you don't format it
[12:14] <bagger> with installer...
[12:14] <levander> othernoob: then I think, yes, you can reinstall ubuntu and keep your current /home.  Just be very careful during the partition step of installation that /home is mounted, but is not supposed to be *formatted*
[12:14] <Brunellus> I bought this card because the wiki had said it was already supported....
[12:14] <levander> othernoob: I'd even make a backup of your /home before doing the re-install if possible.
[12:14] <Brunellus> the madwifi version on the hoary install disk is (I have since learnt) too old to make it work
[12:14] <bagger> levander, no need
[12:15] <bagger> ;)
[12:15] <Brunellus> so I'm reduced to having to build it.  and now it won't build
[12:15] <bagger> othernoob, be carefull to read the dialogs carefully!
[12:15] <levander> bagger: okay, i missed your response while i was typing, i don't know, was just trying to tell him it's most likely going to work, but what to watch out for, etc.
[12:15] <bagger> do NOT format the /home partition or drive
[12:15] <othernoob> bagger: yea i will. that's not the prob. i just remember the ubuntu installer to be very limited in its options
[12:16] <othernoob> and for some reason the system is crapped..
[12:16] <bagger> it it possible to mount a drive/partition and say "not to patition it"
[12:16] <othernoob> and i don't even know why...
[12:16] <Brunellus> I'm furious.
[12:16] <levander> othernoob: limited in options is good thing for linux installer, i remember that there was some extended steps you could go through for partitioning
[12:17] <bagger> err
[12:17] <othernoob> levander: i thought the good thing of linux was choice ;)
[12:17] <bagger> i ment formatting instead of partitioning
[12:17] <bagger> ;)
[12:17] <Brunellus> they're telling me over on #madwifi that the hoary kernel might be too old to build their cvs against
[12:17] <Brunellus> so I need to know how current the breezy version of madwifi is
[12:17] <levander> othernoob: yeah, but not so many choices you drown in them, like linux installers in years gone by have let you do
[12:17] <bagger> othernoob, yes.. correct.. but some choice can lead to problems
[12:18] <Brunellus> and whether or not installing breezy's linux-restricted package will break my moniotr.
[12:18] <levander> Brunellus: just tell them the kernel version number? retrieve it with "uname -a"
[12:18] <robotgeek> a 2.6.10 kernel is too old?
[12:18] <othernoob> bagger: well, it wouldn't be too difficult to make a "just install the damn thing" and "please mr. expert tell me what to do" installer :)
[12:18] <catolh> how do i check where the location of the ubuntu boot partition is?.. Im trying to use a splash screen, but when i used "hd0,1" it didnt work.. just farked up everything.. :p
[12:19] <levander> robotgeek: yeah, sometimes you come across software that's evolving so rapidly, there's no way to compile it against packaged software distributed as stable
[12:19] <mbirkis_> othernoob: isn't that how the current installer works?
[12:19] <bagger> othernoob, such an installer is the linspire installer
[12:19] <DanglyBits> i am trying to get access to debian-marillat..but get this gpg error
[12:19] <levander> robotgeek: happens a lot when software is first being written
[12:19] <othernoob> mbirkis_: not really
[12:19] <mbirkis_> othernoob: what is wrong with the one that is now?
[12:20] <othernoob> mbirkis_: no real choice
[12:20] <bagger> othernoob, the linspire is exactly the click.. and off it goes installing type of mindless setup.. no choices
[12:20] <bagger> :P
[12:20] <DanglyBits> anyone know how i can get into debian-marillat ?
[12:20] <bagger> luckely.. Ubuntu gives some choices
[12:20] <postmodern> is there a way i can download all the ubuntu updates since last release
[12:20] <levander> othernoob: the limited options in installing come in things like detecting hardware you've got, stuff like this.  Stuff that if you can determine yourself, no need to ask the user.
[12:20] <robotgeek> okie...
[12:21] <postmodern> im going to be installing ubuntu on a dialup box, no way I want it to download it all over 56k
[12:21] <othernoob> levander: heh? what?
[12:21] <Amaranth> postmodern: There aren't that many updates.
[12:21] <bagger> Amaranth, some are huge though
[12:21] <postmodern> Amaranth, how big is the average one?
[12:21] <bagger> for a 56k
[12:21] <Amaranth> i thought the biggest one was firefox
[12:21] <levander> othernoob: like detecting your video card is something that's happened in installation processes in the last couple of years.  It used to be that I had to configure X myself every time I re-installed Linux somewhere.
[12:22] <postmodern> so is there some centeral location i can grab the deb files at?
[12:22] <postmodern> and burn them to a cdrom
[12:22] <levander> levander: those are the type of "limited option" things I was talking about earlier.
[12:22] <Amaranth> postmodern: archive.ubuntu.com if you can figure your way around
[12:22] <zerboxx> Anyone know how to go about transfering documents or pdfs to a palm via Evolution (or any other means)???
[12:22] <bagger> or any other ftp mirror...
[12:22] <Amaranth> postmodern: but that has warty, hoary, and breezy stuff all lumped together in /pool
[12:22] <postmodern> Amaranth, excellent
[12:22] <sissons> is there a way to force the removal of a package with dpkg or apt-get?
[12:22] <hybrid> sissons: apt-remove
[12:23] <Amaranth> sissons: sudo apt-get remove package
[12:23] <hybrid> and i think dpkg -r
[12:23] <othernoob> levander: well yes, but the choice of an expert installation still wouldn't hurt.
[12:23] <mak> does anyone know why i get the 'X black screen of death' when i start my laptop with my wireless usb mouse plugged in?
[12:23] <sissons> hybrid,  the removal returns an error in the post-removal script
[12:23] <sissons> and then the package remains
[12:23] <postmodern> Amaranth, yeah im just going with the latest update branch
[12:23] <Brunellus> I can't beliEVE it.
[12:23] <levander> othernoob: you can be more specific? what extra options would you like in an install process?
[12:23] <Amaranth> othernoob: have you tried to boot the installer with 'expert'?
[12:24] <othernoob> anyway..for some reason eth1 and some other things (unknown things) just caused errors during booting. so i'm probably going to reinstall
[12:24] <Brunellus> is there a channel for breezy?
[12:24] <bagger> Brunellus, just a thought.. is your wireless device in the hcl?
[12:24] <Amaranth> Brunellus: This is it.
[12:24] <Brunellus> hc1?
[12:24] <othernoob> Amaranth: iirc, the expert was only for server
[12:24] <levander> othernoob: you can boot without networking?
[12:24] <bagger> Hardware compatibility list
[12:24] <othernoob> levander: for example, the choice of what is being installed..
[12:24] <wing`> anyone there can help me making my network works?
[12:24] <Brunellus> bagger: yes.
[12:25] <Brunellus> everyone reports 'out of the box!"
[12:25] <levander> othernoob: re-instlaling might work, but I've had more success just fixing the problem in Linux.  Unlike my experience on Windows, where the first thing I do is re-install usually.
[12:25] <Brunellus> arrrgh.
[12:25] <bagger> wing`, depends
[12:25] <Brunellus> I want to know what box they hauled it out of
[12:25] <bagger> Brunellus, ok..
[12:25] <othernoob> levander: i can now again, after i fixed a few things... but eth1 gave me ~100000 errors before i used the reset button
[12:25] <Brunellus> apparently, there's been a hardware revision since then
[12:25] <zerboxx> othernoob: Just "walked in" on your conversation.  You could do a server install (installs minimum stuff) and then add whatever you want afterwards *shrug*
[12:25] <Brunellus> but a quick search on the forums finds a fix
[12:25] <bagger> Brunellus, i think that box was the allmighty ubuntu box
[12:25] <bagger> :P
[12:25] <Brunellus> which I have tried to apply--
[12:25] <othernoob> levander: if i knew the problems...but during booting i get way too many way too fast to even know what i should fix
[12:25] <levander> othernoob: boot without networking, modify things trying to fix, run "/etc/init.d/networking start" to see if you fixed them
[12:25] <DanglyBits> i am trying to get access to debian-marillat..but get this gpg error..where do i get the gpg key from?
[12:25] <Brunellus> the key thing was to build a more recent madwifi
[12:26] <Brunellus> so my question is--is the madwifi driver in the breezy repos more up-to-date than the present one
[12:26] <bagger> wing`, ask your question
[12:26] <bagger> :P
[12:26] <Brunellus> or is it the same?
[12:26] <markrian> I had a load of files (music, docs, pictures etc) on a FAT32 partition. I've since moved the files to an ext3 partition, but the permissions for the files are all wrong - everything is executable! Is there a way to give all the files sane attributes? Bear in mind there are folders involved, so I can't just chmod -x * -R
[12:26] <othernoob> zerboxx: well yes, but then i'd  have to delete the server stuff, wouldn't i?
[12:26] <levander> othernoob: "chmod 666 /etc/rc2.d/S??networking" to turn off networking when you boot
[12:27] <postmodern> Amaranth, so what would i need to d/l that i could feed into synaptic so that everything can be updated easily?
[12:27] <levander> othernoob: or boot into single user mode which probably already doesn't run the networking script
[12:27] <raven3x7> is there a way to start and stop apache manually in linux?
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, i have two PC's (crossover) both are connected and can ping each other, my server (ubuntu) is working well in the internet, but my client (winxp) can only PING IP addresses, its not working with hosts
[12:27] <zerboxx> othernoob: I don't believe so, I was told that a server install is just the bare minimums and you install what you need (different kinds of servers) BUT I have no idea really since I haven't done it :)
[12:27] <Amaranth> postmodern: There isn't anything like that.
[12:27] <DanglyBits> anyone wil debian-marillat experience?
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, its all configured with static ip, no DHCP
[12:27] <wing`> bagger, and the workgroups are the same
[12:27] <Amaranth> DanglyBits: All I know about marillat is that using it breaks Ubuntu systems.
[12:28] <sissons> so no go on the force removal of a package?
[12:28] <othernoob> levander: reinstalling will be a lot easier ;) for now i keep it running, just can't reboot :p
[12:28] <levander> sissons: check the -f option of dpkg i think
[12:28] <bagger> wing`, you mean you use samba?
[12:28] <hybrid> DanglyBits: dont use marrillat
[12:28] <Brunellus> fsck it.  I'm going to install the breezy package and see if it works.
[12:28] <bagger> and your xp box can only connect with ip adressing.. not netbios naming?
[12:28] <wing`> bagger, im using firestarter to share it
[12:28] <postmodern> Amaranth, isn't there some distfiles directory that i could just put them all
[12:28] <othernoob> zerboxx: i see.. maybe i'll try it..or just go on to gentoo like i planned anyway.
[12:29] <icarus> is this the right room for video problems?
[12:29] <postmodern> Amaranth, so synaptic/apt-get dosn't have to d/l them
[12:29] <bagger> i don't know Firestarter
[12:29] <sissons> levander,  i tried that, still getting a returned 127 error, and package remains
[12:29] <bagger> but it could be this
[12:29] <bagger> setup the dns for your lan..
[12:29] <thesilentkiller> i got the latest version of firefox thru synaptic and, from what i understand, it is broken. now i cant browse to find a fix for this...what do i do?
[12:29] <bagger> (with the entries in the dhcp)
[12:29] <levander> sissons: what package you want to uninstall?
[12:29] <bagger> or setup wind
[12:30] <bagger> err
[12:30] <Amaranth> postmodern: I know there is a dir that apt checks before pulling them off the internet but I'm on windows right now so I can't look it up. Sorry.
[12:30] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  i believe the backports version of firefox is fixed
[12:30] <oberjaeger> makrian, chmod -R -x * followed by chmod -R +X *
[12:30] <bagger> you know.. the netbios naming service..
[12:30] <bagger> ;)
[12:30] <sissons> eclipse deb that i grabbed of the net
[12:30] <oberjaeger> upper case X only changes directories
[12:30] <Amaranth> There is no fix for firefox, the real 1.0.6 release is broken too.
[12:30] <levander> the version of firefox in the repositories is broken??
[12:30] <thesilentkiller> sissons, how do i get to it? yes, i am a newbie, to some extent
[12:30] <levander> in the hoary repositories or the breezy ones??
[12:30] <wing`> bagger, it was working... i changed the workgroup becase it was wrong and it worked, but now i turned off Firestarter, and when i turn on again it stopped working
[12:30] <robotgeek> levander, :)
[12:30] <Amaranth> levander: both, see topic
[12:31] <Makzu> Quick question: is there an easy way to edit the options passed as kernel modules are loaded?  I need to add some options to the binary nvidia driver
[12:31] <Brunellus> Ok, I'm confused
[12:31] <postmodern> this will not do!
[12:31] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  i can't remember the url, but type ubuntu backports into google, its the first hit
[12:31] <levander> how long has that been like that for? why don't they just take them out?
[12:31] <postmodern> when will there be a fixed firefox package?!
[12:31] <Brunellus> over on #madwifi, they're telling me to compile my own bloody kernel
[12:31] <Amaranth> levander: The official Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6 release is broken on Linux, this means the one with fixes in hoary and the real 1.0.6 in breezy have those problems.
[12:31] <postmodern> no its not
[12:31] <thesilentkiller> sissons, thats the problem i have! i cant google cuz firefox aint working. i feel cripped without a browser!
[12:32] <postmodern> im running 1.0.6 right now
[12:32] <postmodern> on gentoo
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas, member when i said those things about stupid people?
[12:32] <postmodern> 1.0.5 was broken
[12:32] <levander> Amaranth: so why don't they just leave the 1.0.5 versions in the ubuntu repositories?
[12:32] <Amaranth> postmodern: You're not running the extensions that break it.
[12:32] <Brunellus> thesilentkiller:  no browser?  apt-get dillo
[12:32] <Brunellus> done.
[12:32] <Amaranth> levander: 1.0.5 was broken too
[12:32] <Brunellus> not fancy, but it gets the job done
[12:32] <Brunellus> er apt-get install dillo
[12:32] <postmodern> Amaranth, which extensions?
[12:32] <levander> or, if 1.0.5 was broken, then leave 1.0.4 in there
[12:32] <Amaranth> levander: and 1.0.4 has published security vulnerabilities
[12:32] <thesilentkiller> Brunellus, okie, i will check it out. thanks
[12:32] <Amaranth> postmodern: I dunno, ask #ubuntu-devel
[12:32] <catolh> Can i get access to my hdds with the Live CD?.. it kinda wont boot..
[12:32] <sissons> if all else fails, links is a decent console based browser
[12:32] <levander> Amaranth: security vulnerabilites is worse than software that doesn't work?
[12:32] <thesilentkiller> sissons, thanks
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: Software that doesn't work if you have certain addons installed.
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: And yes.
[12:33] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  try adding this to your deb repo list
[12:33] <Amaranth> levander: Users complain when they don't have the latest crack and complain when the latest crack doesn't work, there is no solution. :/
[12:33] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  deb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-backports universe
[12:34] <thesilentkiller> sissons, ok, i will check it out
[12:34] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  deb http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ hoary-backports main universe
[12:34] <postmodern> Amaranth, alright i was worried firefox was severaly broken, not just a minor bug
[12:34] <sissons> thesilentkiller,  sorry, it might be in main
[12:34] <levander> okay, if it's only conflicts with uncommon addons, then i could see leaving it in there.  But, no way breaking system is better than security vulnerabilities.  Firefox usually has a few published security issues before they're fixed.
[12:34] <thespiritoftal> can someone tell me how can i make ubuntu support mp3?
[12:34] <Amaranth> postmodern: pretty major if you have one of the extensions installed
[12:34] <mbirkis_> i was just wondering what using the hoary backports is?
[12:34] <catolh> please, someone help.. kind of managed to fark up my installation, dont know how. I tried to use a splashimage for grub and edited menu.lst .. can i access my local drives with the Live CD? (wich i am using now)
[12:34] <raven3x7> levander that depends on the vulnerabilies and the problems. in case of firefox 1.0.5 it seems more like an alpha. but since they announced the vulnerabilities....
[12:34] <theine> where can i get more info about firefox being broken?
[12:35] <Dr_Fate> thespiritoftal, ubuntuguide
[12:35] <levander> brb
[12:35] <Amaranth> theine: I imagine the firefox developers will tell you nothing is wrong.
[12:35] <mumbles> !ubuntugide
[12:35] <ubotu> mumbles: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:35] <catolh> Anyone?
[12:35] <Dr_Fate> thespiritoftal, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:35] <Amaranth> theine: The ubuntu developers are seeing the same problems with the version from mozilla.org and the package they made
[12:35] <sissons> as for 1.06 still being broken, that may be the case, but i am using it without any issues so far
[12:35] <wing`> anyone there can help me with network problem? ITS SIMPLE
[12:35] <mumbles> ! ubuntuguide
[12:35] <theine> Amaranth, what problems?
[12:35] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:36] <raven3x7> Amaranth there seems to have been released a 1.0.6 version that fixes the problem
[12:36] <mbirkis_> wing`: ask... don't ask to ask ;)
[12:36] <devilx> Hi
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> wing`, state the problem
[12:36] <Amaranth> raven3x7: No, 1.0.6 has new problems
[12:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just spent the last 30hrs trying to install ubuntu on a customers computer for absolutely no reason >.<
[12:36] <devilx> Is there no xcompmgr for ubuntu yet?
[12:36] <wing`> i have two PC's (crossover) both are connected and can ping each other, my server (ubuntu) is working well in the internet, but my client (winxp) can only PING IP addresses, its not working with hosts
[12:36] <Brunellus> I don't want explanatiosn
[12:36] <Brunellus> I want results
[12:36] <Amaranth> raven3x7: They released 1.0.6 because 1.0.5 had problems, 1.0.6 has new problems, seemingly only on linux.
[12:36] <Brunellus> the explanations can come later.
[12:36] <raven3x7> Amaranth "great"....
[12:36] <wing`> im using firestarter to share the connection
[12:36] <ateves> where do i have to save a script so that it is executed on login?
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, meaning?
[12:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the stupid hard drive was fried
[12:36] <Amaranth> Brunellus: You pay me how much?
[12:36] <Dr_Fate> oh
[12:36] <wing`> and my eths are all set by static ips, no DHCP
[12:37] <catolh> So, no one knows how to access my local drives with the live cd? I need to edit my menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the box was setup to continue even if there was errors
[12:37] <mbirkis_> wing`: can your winxp computer ping internet ip's or only local ip's?
[12:37] <Brunellus> Amaranth: your point is?  The 'guide is out there.  if it works, why trash it?
[12:37] <wing`> mbirkis_, both
[12:37] <wing`> mbirkis_, internet and local
[12:37] <Amaranth> Brunellus: Because it tells you to do stupid things.
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so me not seeing any errors thought everything was hunkydori
[12:37] <mbirkis_> wing`: then add your isp's dns servers to winxp
[12:37] <wing`> they are there
[12:37] <wing`> but its not working
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i could just scream
[12:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:38] <Brunellus> Amaranth:  we will disagree ultimately, then--but I'd rather stuff that worked even if imperfectly
[12:38] <Amaranth> Brunellus: Things that can and will break you system.
[12:38] <thespiritoftal> how can i access the files in windows directories from linux? is there a way?
[12:38] <mbirkis_> wing`: 1sec
[12:38] <NoX> hey guys, I would like to know, how can I see my windows NTFS drives on ubuntu?
[12:38] <Brunellus> than perfectly nonfunctional stuff.
[12:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now the customer has to pay an exstra $80 for a hard drive >.<
[12:38] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 30hrs to fgure that out?
[12:38] <crimsun> NoX: / thespiritoftal: mount your partitions
[12:38] <Belial> can somebody help me with ndiswrapper
[12:38] <Belial> only a short question
[12:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, long story man
[12:38] <wing`> mbirkis_, ok
[12:38] <raven3x7> Brunellus backports enabled will break your system in due time for sure
[12:38] <crimsun> NoX: / thespiritoftal: for instance, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/XXXX /mnt
[12:39] <Brunellus> granted with backports
[12:39] <mbirkis_> wing`: is port 53 (both udp and tcp) open in firestarter? (53 is the dns port i belive)
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, started with a burnt out motherboard cause the morons had connected 2 power cables to one cd rom
[12:39] <devilx> Is there no xcompmgr for ubuntu yet?
[12:39] <NoX> what is the umask part?
[12:39] <poningru> why arent backports authenticating?
[12:39] <locutus1337> does anybody know how to setup a usb headset under hoary
[12:39] <Belial> noone here who can help me ???
[12:39] <Amaranth> The ubuntuguide tells you to use backports, use marillat, install w32codecs, etc.
[12:39] <Belial> please :)
[12:39] <crimsun> devilx: there has been xcompmgr in Hoary
[12:39] <catolh> Is there any way at all to mount my local hdd with the live CD? and edit my menu.lst in /boot/grub ??   im desperate... :/
[12:39] <wing`> mbirkis_, no, but firestarter is set to accept all connections from <IP_ADDRESS> (the other pc)
[12:39] <Amaranth> catolh: It should have mounted automatically.
[12:39] <wing`> but ill try opening that port too
[12:39] <devilx> crimsun, hm, there is no in the standard sources
[12:39] <Amaranth> catolh: Check /media
[12:39] <theine> I think "DON'T RECOMMEND UBUNTUGUIDE" should be included into the topic
[12:39] <Brunellus> Amaranth:  and what if we don't live entirely in an ogg and theora world?
[12:39] <catolh> Amaranth, ok.. thanks
[12:40] <devilx> crimsun, apt-get install xcompmgr doesn't work
[12:40] <NoX> what is the umask part?
[12:40] <Dr_Fate> Belial, ask once then wait at least 10mins before asking again, in the meantime http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, so i had to order a replacement and the last 30hrs have been spent testing the hardware to see what these idiots fried
[12:40] <catolh> Amaranth, its not there.. :/
[12:40] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, oh, thast more like it, not 30hrs installing Ubuntu
[12:40] <Amaranth> Brunellus: If you need to break the law to play a file that's your choice. Just don't go telling people to do it without explaining what they're doing.
[12:40] <catolh> Amaranth, its a s-ata drive
[12:40] <mbirkis_> wing`: how did it go?
[12:40] <Amaranth> catolh: Sorry, I don't know.
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Dr_Fate, no not just installing ubuntu no i'm too smart for that to take long ^_^
[12:41] <wing`> mbirkis_, not working
[12:41] <crimsun> devilx: you don't have universe enabled
[12:41] <catolh> Amaranth, so im basically screwed? :o
[12:41] <locutus1337> does anybody know how to install a usb logitech headset
[12:41] <devilx> crimsun, how do I enable?
[12:41] <mbirkis_> wing`: then i don't know... sorry :(
[12:41] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I was hoping so:)
[12:41] <wing`> man
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:41] <Dr_Fate> ;)
[12:41] <Amaranth> catolh: man mount :)
[12:41] <Brunellus> fine. I'll go troll the forums and see if I can get my wifi up and running before I'm excommunicated by #ubuntu...
[12:41] <crimsun> !tell devilx about components
[12:41] <wing`> i set this up yesterday
[12:41] <Amaranth> catolh: I don't remember how to use mount, I haven't had to since I got ubuntu. :)
[12:41] <devilx> crimsun, thanks
[12:41] <wing`> but i turned off firestarter to see somethings
[12:41] <wing`> and when i turned on
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the price for that computer has gone up to almost $300 not including parts
[12:42] <Belial> hm what shell i do after i have installed a driver with ndiswrapper
[12:42] <wing`> all the network was fucked up again
[12:42] <crimsun> locutus1337: plug it in
[12:42] <locutus1337> crimsun did that
[12:42] <wing`> mbirkis_, is there anyway to OPEN all the ports, and everything in firestarter?
[12:42] <crimsun> locutus1337: now choose it in whatever sound application.
[12:42] <wing`> mbirkis_, just use it to share the internet
[12:42] <locutus1337> crimsun ok
[12:43] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I can't believe are still paying so much to create a very expensive IRC bot, or spam node:/
[12:43] <locutus1337> crimsun logitech usb headset ALSA
[12:43] <mbirkis_> wing`: i don't know actually... i use shorewall on a debian 'sarge' as firewall/gateway
[12:43] <NoX> hey guys, I would like to know, how can I see my windows NTFS drives on ubuntu?
[12:43] <catolh> Amaranth, well.. my problem is that ive already installed ubuntu..and tried to use a splash image with grub.. and then it got borked, only funky letters in startup and it just stops.. so im using my Live CD now, trying to get access to my local hdd to again edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst .. to remove the splashimage. Think its possible? Cause i really need to get it done.. I dont want to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:43] <Dr_Fate> ChurcH_of_FoamY, ppl
[12:43] <wing`> mbirkis_, and isnt there another way to share the connection? without using this shitty firestarter
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really? wow
[12:43] <theine> catolh, that's definately possible
[12:43] <neighborlee> is colony 2CD good enough to consider installation on a system I dont want to have to redo again or is it still just too fresh ?
[12:44] <raven3x7> Amaranth w32codecs are not necessarilly illegal. that depends on where you are.
[12:44] <crimsun> thespiritoftal: ask here.
[12:44] <catolh> theine, only thing is.. i dont have a clue where to start..
[12:44] <wing`> mbirkis_, ?
[12:44] <ateves> can i run sudo with the password as an option or parameter?
[12:44] <mbirkis_> wing`: google on iptables internet sharing or something like that... you don't need firestarter... you can use iptables direct
[12:44] <Amaranth> raven3x7: It's illegal where I am, where most of the users are (most of the world), and where the freenode servers are.
[12:44] <thespiritoftal> crimsun: can you please tell me what should i type instead of XXX exactly or just give an example
[12:44] <theine> catolh, do you know what the root partition of your ubuntu installation is called? /dev/hda1?
[12:44] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, listening to mp3 is not the problem, its being about ot use lame to encode them are right?
[12:44] <crimsun> thespiritoftal: use fdisk -l with your drives to find the NTFS partition
[12:45] <catolh> theine, i think so..
[12:45] <catolh> no.. its sda1
[12:45] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, listening to mp3 is not the problem, its about being able to use lame to encode them are right?
[12:45] <thespiritoftal> and then?
[12:45] <Dr_Fate> I hate forgetting whole words when I type
[12:46] <theine> catolh, then open a terminal, type `sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; cat /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst' and see if that works
[12:46] <raven3x7> Amaranth, Dr_Fate i believe only were there are sw patents is w32codecs illegal. that leaves a good portion of the world were it is legal
[12:46] <sissons> does anyone know where to find a deb package for eclipse 3.1?
[12:46] <Amaranth> raven3x7: No, w32codecs is illegal anywhere there is copyright law.
[12:46] <theine> catolh, that should dump the contents of the grub configuration file to the terminal
[12:47] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: in norway they are working on an mp3 law... it is not finished yet i think
[12:48] <catolh> theine, "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock.. etc"
[12:48] <hybrid> Razor-X: you online?
[12:48] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, everyone should just go ogg. One monkey does not stop a show.
[12:48] <raven3x7> mbirkis mp3 law?
[12:48] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: a law to make mp3 illegal...
[12:48] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, everyone should use open formats. i agree
[12:48] <theine> catolh, then try "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[12:48] <hybrid> Dr_Fate: flac is suppose to be real good
[12:49] <raven3x7> mbirkis you mean all mp3?  why?
[12:49] <zack_> Howdy, does anyone know if ndiswrapper is available for amd64 bit version?
[12:49] <Dr_Fate> hybrid, its is, its lossless so the file is still pretty big
[12:49] <catolh> theine, yeah, it worked.. dumped it to the terminal.. but how do i edit it_
[12:49] <catolh> ?
[12:49] <theine> catolh, sudo nano -w /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:50] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: not all mp3... but it will be illegal to have mp3 files on your computer if you don't have bought the original cd
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, a person could convert all of there mp3s to ogg in a short period
[12:50] <DekaPink> Okay, here's my deal... Uh... I can't seem to play 3D games, when I try to they're -really- slow... I don't really know what to do about it... and I'm on an ATI AIW Radeon 8500DV
[12:50] <postmodern> does synaptic have a security-update-only feature?
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> DekaPink, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, yes
[12:50] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, that would worsen the sound quality though
[12:50] <catolh> theine, nice! thanks alot! :D
[12:50] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, depends
[12:50] <theine> catolh, you're welcome
[12:50] <catolh> and now to reboot.. and see if this works
[12:50] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, hell yeah!
[12:51] <|rockinnerd|> DekaPink, do you have the ATI graphics driver installed?
[12:51] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, say if the mp3 is encoded @160 making it a 128 ogg would not be a noticable difference
[12:51] <zack_> will check back later--thanks anyway
[12:52] <raven3x7> mbirkis i believe that is already true anyhow
[12:52] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, does synaptic have some sort of auto-update feature, where I can tell it to check for security updates on a monthly basis
[12:52] <mbirkis_> Dr_Fate: so ogg is a "bad" sound compression compared to mp3?
[12:52] <DekaPink> |rockinnerd|, I've tried to install the oen from their site, but it doesn't seem to do any good.
[12:52] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: oh... i wasn't aware of that
[12:52] <|rockinnerd|> DekaPink, look in the wiki
[12:52] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, and retry if the inet isn't connected at that current time
[12:52] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, Ubuntu does that by itself
[12:52] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, ogg compression will drop additional frequencies. it is not related to oggs quality as a codec
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> mbirkis_, no
[12:53] <wrtpeeps> hi, i have installed g++, but my terminal doesn't recognise the command 'make', anyone know if make requires any extra libraries
[12:53] <DekaPink> |rockinnerd|, I've done what they say in the wiki, too... No dice. :3
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, I know this
[12:53] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, totally cool!
[12:53] <raven3x7> mbirkis why would be d/l mp3s be illegal otherwise
[12:53] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps, is make installed?
[12:53] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, all lossy codecs drop but its relative to where the drop starts
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: dunno really... but i was under the impression that it was "legal" in norway now... and they were making it illegal now
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> |rockinnerd|: well i installed g++
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: but i am very unsure of this...
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> does that not install make ?
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> no.
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> i also have xlibs-dev
[12:54] <raven3x7> mbirkis if it was legal i had no idea
[12:54] <wrtpeeps> |rockinnerd|: what do i need then?
[12:54] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, it only sounds bad trying to encode a low frequency to high, not the other way around. But naturally lower frequency lose fidelity
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> make
[12:54] <mbirkis_> raven3x7: it was legal... i am sure of it
[12:54] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps: make
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, i got it
[12:55] <wrtpeeps> k
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: what was wrong?
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, just disabled firestarter and used the sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[12:55] <wrtpeeps> thanks
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: found it on google?
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_,  thanks for the help
[12:55] <wing`> mbirkis_, yeap
[12:55] <mbirkis_> wing`: np... glad to help :)
[12:56] <raven3x7> i might try it just to see if i can notice a difference but im very picky with music and sound quality
[12:57] <|rockinnerd|> wrtpeeps, np
[12:57] <thesilentkiller> whats the deal with apt-get and firefox....my firefox install was totally screwed up. so i have uninstalled it now. how do i get a "stable" "working" version of firefox?
[12:57] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, you know how i could get apt-get/synaptic to use my cdrom as the package reposity for grabbing some updates?
[12:58] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, the machine i'll be working on is on dialup, so I want to have all the latest on a cdrom when i go to install
[12:58] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, if its getting it from a pressed CD they are'nt updates are they?
[12:58] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, but yes
[12:58] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, this is just for the first install
[12:59] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, you can set the repositories to whatever whereever you like?
[12:59] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, alright, so thats all in the GUI i suppose?
[12:59] <thesilentkiller> can someone tell me how to get a good version of firefox?
[12:59] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, also you know what extensions are bugging firefox?
[01:00] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, no I don't, I was wondering why firefox has been slow to open new windows, but did not know it was related to extentions?
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, thats what people here say
[01:01] <Dr_Fate> thesilentkiller, from their website
[01:01] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, which version?
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, latest one
[01:01] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, its in the topic
[01:02] <raven3x7> postmodern to me it seems firefox generally got screwed. i dont have any extensions and it still has a lot of probs. i switched to epiphany until they fix it
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, that means nothing, the "latest" Ubuntu version is 1.04, the latest from Mozilla is 1.05
[01:02] <sbenton> Hello all
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, thanks had not read the topic
[01:02] <Dr_Fate> well that sucks
[01:03] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, i believe ubuntu replaced 1.0.4 wih 1.0.5 a few days ago. also the latest firefox version is 1.0.6 which is still buggy in linux
[01:03] <sbenton> is there any workable gtk+ kits in the apt-get bulid list that extactly functions correcty?
[01:03] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, it has not crashed on me, just slow to open new windows, and sometime hitting new links takes a while to get there.
[01:04] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, I have yet to get a notice to update FF.
[01:04] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, does this issue affect all gecko platforms?
[01:04] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, im sure i did about 2 days ago
[01:05] <Dr_Fate> this is why its nice to have a back up browser
[01:05] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, dunno but i dont think so.
[01:05] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, weird
[01:05] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, 1.0.5 crashed on me with gentoo but 1.0.6 is holding steady
[01:05] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, you got the update via apt?!?
[01:05] <raven3x7> yeah the update manager
[01:06] <|rockinnerd|> i just (re) installed ubuntu, and the firefox on the cd works fine for me.
[01:06] <|rockinnerd|> but it's behind obviously
[01:06] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, did your version change in "about FF"?
[01:06] <Ice-Breaker> is it the ubuntu package or firefoc itself
[01:06] <Tutte> hmm i cant get out on the irc... i get Looking up irc.link-net.org:+7000
[01:06] <Tutte> * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[01:06] <Tutte> I'm doing it from win now..
[01:07] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, it never does with the ubuntu versions. which is a mistake imho
[01:07] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, all I got was the upadte for java
[01:07] <Dr_Fate> raven3x7, ahhh then i have no idea if mine did or not:(
[01:07] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, firefox was a day or two before that
[01:07] <sbenton> Guys is there a functional gtk+ toolkit for Ubuntu?
[01:08] <Tutte> i got it now.
[01:08] <Dr_Fate> sbenton, if there is one for linux there is one for ubuntu
[01:08] <mae> what do you all think of foresight linux?
[01:08] <skel_> they got there own packages syetm
[01:08] <skel_> it sucks
[01:08] <skel_> :P
[01:08] <mae> why?
[01:09] <raven3x7> Dr_Fate, it stays stuck at 1.0.2 while it may be a 1.0.5 version in reality
[01:09] <skel_> hard to use i heard
[01:09] <mae> conary sucks?
[01:09] <mae> maybe the reviewer is a pundit :)
[01:09] <mae> hard to use could equite with "not familiar with"
[01:09] <mae> equate, rather
[01:10] <skel_> mae do u use forsight?
[01:10] <mae> skel_, nope, :) ubuntu but it looks promising thats all..
[01:11] <postmodern> is there a website for browsing which packages are in the main repositories
[01:11] <postmodern> i just need to check which versions are used by default
[01:11] <mae> gentoo sucks
[01:11] <mae> i used it for a long time
[01:11] <postmodern> skel_, it's pretty cool you should stick with it
[01:11] <skel_> y u do that if it sucks
[01:11] <crimsun> let's keep the distro wars out, thanks.
[01:11] <mae> i mean, i learned alot from using it.. because alot of the stuff you do has to be manual
[01:11] <postmodern> mae, gentoo is cool
[01:11] <othernoob> who put "ubuntu #1 on all distrowatch boards" into the topic???
[01:11] <skel_> postmodern,  i suck using grub
[01:11] <skel_> so it messed up my install
[01:11] <skel_> i couldnt figure it out
[01:11] <postmodern> skel_, na grub is so easy
[01:11] <skel_> i gave up and back to ubuntu
[01:12] <mae> postmodern, ya i guess, i really enjoy waiting for packages to compile everything from source, it really makes my computer burn more rice
[01:12] <skel_> lol
[01:12] <postmodern> mae, i now have all my stuff scripted, so a reinstall takes 3 commands so I'm not your average gentooist
[01:12] <skel_> WAH!
[01:12] <postmodern> mae, which is probably why i enjoy it, since I have to do 1/3 the work
[01:12] <skel_> send me dat script
[01:12] <skel_> :(
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, im thinking of open sourcing it
[01:13] <skel_> i tried for 12 hours on 2 diff install and i couldnt get it
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, but its still very not so user friendly
[01:13] <postmodern> skel_, alot of it requires you to make a directory of all the files that will be copied into / of your new system
[01:13] <skel_> what would i need to do burn to iso?
[01:13] <mumbles> question - could i make a cd of the setup i have now?
[01:13] <mae> postmodern, gentoo has some nice things, i think their rc script system is awesome, very innovative from the traditional rh system.. but their binary package support isn't very good, and I don't like to wait for all that stuff to compile.. also, my internet is fairly slow and I can't download the much larger source packages :) binary is much more friendly for me.
[01:13] <postmodern> mae, also im on amd64 so packages take 5 minutes to compile
[01:13] <mumbles> as in all my settings and stuff i have set up ?
[01:13] <sbenton> Anyone have experience with gtk+ programming?
[01:14] <postmodern> mae, yeah they need a binary repository period
[01:14] <skel_> i got p4
[01:14] <skel_> 512 Mb ram
[01:14] <mumbles> same
[01:14] <locutus1337> cool
[01:14] <skel_> prob woudl take awhile
[01:14] <postmodern> mae, people say you can just DIY, but they need a compile farm making bin packages all day for it to be useful
[01:14] <ioboss> hi
[01:14] <mumbles> it took me about an hou
[01:14] <mumbles> hour ^ to install
[01:14] <mumbles> and it was only my second time
[01:14] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:14] <auk> !ion
[01:14] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:15] <mae> postmodern, what difference does scripting make? you still have to wait a ridiculous amount of time for packages to compile, why do you need to compile your own packages? is there any point? .. If i want the latest and greatest I have to download and compile from source, but even gentoo oftentimes doesn't have the bleeding edge stuff..
[01:15] <soultaker> hello to all
[01:15] <auk> !ionwm
[01:15] <ubotu> auk: I give up, what is it?
[01:15] <auk> !ion-wm
[01:15] <ubotu> auk: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:15] <auk> hmm
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, again im on amd64 with 1gig of ram, it's pretty damn fast
[01:15] <soultaker> my screen saver stop working can anyone help me I dont display anithing
[01:15] <mumbles> yeh -
[01:15] <soultaker> on the preview
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, also i like special CFLAGS
[01:15] <postmodern> mae, and my compiling i help reduce bugs
[01:15] <mae> hmm.. what?
[01:16] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:16] <postmodern> mae, as any bug found i immediately submit a nice bug report
[01:16] <skel_> postmodern,  i didn tknow what they were so i skipped useflags and CFlags during install
[01:16] <skel_> lol
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, USEflags are a blessing and a curse
[01:16] <skel_> i want a easy install
[01:16] <mumbles> bed for me
[01:16] <mumbles> got work today
[01:16] <Ice-Breaker> resizing a 50gb part is so slow....
[01:16] <mumbles> :(
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, oneside you can control alot of stuff, the other stupid useflags keep getting enabled by default
[01:16] <mae> postmodern, a bug report to gentoo?.. the ebuilds are usually what break the compiling.. or because you have some funky version of autotools or gcc
[01:16] <postmodern> skel_, like they disalbed the "network" useflag by default
[01:16] <skel_> why cant they just amke one for a pentium for and have it set optitum settign for a pentium 4
[01:17] <vinboy> hi
[01:17] <vinboy> how do I set my gnome font to the default one
[01:17] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, you seem like a Gentoo fella
[01:17] <skel_> postmodern,  whats the diff between penitum 4 install and a univerisal install
[01:17] <locutus1337> none
[01:18] <Dr_Fate> postmodern, but being on dial up does not work well for Gentoo
[01:18] <locutus1337> you need a special distro for P4 since its such a low end processor
[01:18] <skel_> p4 is low end
[01:18] <skel_> :(
[01:18] <vinboy> yup
[01:18] <skel_> whats hi end?
[01:18] <vinboy> amd rocks
[01:19] <skel_> amd 64?
[01:19] <locutus1337> meh compared to my athlon xp yeap
[01:19] <postmodern> mae, nope, it's usually upstream
[01:19] <skel_> me board only supports intel so i cant switcjh
[01:19] <postmodern> mae, ebuilds are really good
[01:19] <locutus1337> switch
[01:19] <Velcan> anyone know how to get helix or realplayer plugins installed for firefox?
[01:19] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, it serves my purposes, but I'm totally enjoying Ubuntu for all things desktop related
[01:19] <skel_> Velcan,  ubuntuforums.org search that question
[01:20] <postmodern> skel_, universal i beleive is just a default unoptimized stage file
[01:20] <Velcan> okay
[01:20] <postmodern> skel_, so its x86 generic
[01:20] <skel_> yea...
[01:20] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, indeed, which is why im not on dialup
[01:20] <skel_> but will a p4 iso help my install?
[01:20] <skel_> to make it easier?
[01:20] <postmodern> Dr_Fate, i tried that once, ug 15 minute rsyncs
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, amd64 is pure heaven (assuming you get the right hardware)
[01:21] <Velcan> the annoying thing is in synaptic 'helix-player' claims: "This package includes the mozilla plugin of the Helix Player."
[01:21] <skel_> hmm
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, xorg took like 40 minutes to compile
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, stage1 with -O3 took an 1ish
[01:21] <skel_> i didnt even get to that point postmodern
[01:21] <postmodern> skel_, one hour-ish
[01:21] <skel_> i only got to stage 10
[01:22] <postmodern> skel_, its great if you do alot of development work
[01:22] <skel_> i just want the emerge thing sounds so nice
[01:22] <skel_> :P
[01:22] <levander> How normal is this for grip to be ripping my CD's at, apparently, less than 0.0x ?
[01:22] <robotgeek> skel_, it's the useflags which make it good.
[01:22] <skel_> oh
[01:23] <robotgeek> skel_, otherwise apt-get just works the same!
[01:23] <postmodern> skel_, after a couple stage3 installs by hand you get into "the zone"
[01:23] <levander> It's ripping them, just not fast enough to show up on the speed indicator.
[01:23] <skel_> hahah
[01:23] <skel_> i done ti twice
[01:23] <skel_> and both failled
[01:23] <robotgeek> gotta go..bye
[01:23] <skel_> why do i need grub when gentoo my only OS
[01:23] <skel_> lol
[01:23] <othernoob> levander: have you enabled dma?
[01:23] <skel_> grub=trouble
[01:23] <postmodern> robotgeek, except Ubuntu dosn't always have recent stuff
[01:24] <skel_> ubuntu old
[01:24] <postmodern> i love grub
[01:24] <NoHope> hey, I just want to run some commands at start time. I don't know how to make it on SysV. Can you help me?
[01:24] <levander> othernoob: yeah, actually, that's what I'm wondering if messed it up.   Make sure gimp-print is installed and that escputil is in your PATH
[01:25] <postmodern> also
[01:25] <skel_> i gtg movies
[01:25] <skel_> bbl
[01:25] <postmodern> does the ghost-script in Ubuntu support Epson Stylus Photo 2200?
[01:25] <levander> admrl_: Is escputil in your PATH?
[01:25] <admrl_> how do i know if escputil is in my PATH
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: "which escputil"
[01:26] <admrl_> i didnt understand it
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: type that
[01:26] <admrl_> ok
[01:26] <levander> admrl_: escputil is apparently a proram that gimp-print tries to run
[01:26] <admrl_> it didnt say anything
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: but for gimp-print to find it, or any other program to find it, it's got to be in your PATH
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: "locate escputil"
[01:27] <levander> admrl_: where is there a button to clean your printer head?
[01:28] <levander> admrl_: what did "locate escputil" output?
[01:28] <admrl_> how do i put it in my path
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.la
[01:28] <admrl_> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.so
[01:28] <admrl_> i got that right there
[01:29] <levander> admrl_: looks like you don't have the escputil binary installed on your system.  It's probably be in a bin directory somewhere.
[01:29] <sizzam> im trying to figure out how to get my scanner working, its a HP  PSC 2355, the printer works
[01:30] <vinboy> should I install gcc 3.3 or gcc 4?
[01:30] <levander> And, the filename of the binary itself would just be escputil, without any file name extension.
[01:30] <Discipulus> both
[01:30] <sizzam> when i launch xsane, it tries to use my tv card as the input
[01:30] <locutus1337> how can i setup my logitech usb headset under hoary
[01:30] <levander> admrl_: go to packages.ubuntu.com, and make sure you are search the *contents* of the packages, and search for escputil to find out what package it is in.
[01:30] <admrl_> ok
[01:31] <D1> what burns bin's/cue's besides k3b?
[01:31] <codecaine> gnomebaker
[01:31] <levander> D1: check graveman and gnome-baker
[01:31] <codecaine> graveman
[01:31] <D1> ok.
[01:31] <jwb> who #ubuntu
[01:31] <jwb> er hi
[01:31] <admrl_> wait i just did an apt-get install on escputil and it installed it
[01:31] <stevarino> arg... i have two really embarrassing questions (totally new to linux).. 1) what's the default root password? 2) how do i get downloaded software in a .tar.gz installed and working?
[01:31] <jwb> sure would be neat if xauth existed in breezy, anywhere
[01:31] <postmodern> does the Ubuntu install cdrom have parted on it, so I can resize a FAT32 partition
[01:32] <patrickj> ello
[01:32] <postmodern> during the install
[01:32] <levander> D1: is k3b the KDE application for burning CD's?  People are always talking about k3b, but I have no idea why it's more special than the other burning software.
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.com/RootSudo
[01:32] <admrl_> stevarino, wehn you are starting out readmes help slot
[01:32] <codecaine> levin, works and nice gui
[01:32] <patrickj> where can I get all the development packages for compiling stuff(gcc, gpp, cc, libgtk2.0-dev, etc...)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: and 2) what software
[01:32] <patrickj> wait, brb
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> patrickj: apt-get install build-essential
[01:32] <codecaine> patrickj, install build-essential
[01:32] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: thunderbird
[01:32] <Dr_Fate> whats the proper syntax fro apt-get purge
[01:33] <patrickj> and it has all that I need?
[01:33] <jwb> so i'm trying to work on my packages for breezy, and i'm thinking that dstone treats it like his private distribution of linux
[01:33] <codecaine> dpkg --purge <package>
[01:33] <jwb> one which is, btw, always broken
[01:33] <patrickj> doesnt have libgtk2.0-dev :(
[01:33] <Dr_Fate> I'm trying to get apt-get to remove all the files it installed with an app, instead of the just one
[01:33] <patrickj> brb
[01:33] <admrl_> if anyone else needs help with that all they need to do is install escputil!!!
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> patrickj: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[01:33] <codecaine> Dr_Fate, sudo dpkg --purge <package>
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: apt-get install thunderbird
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: or use synaptic package manager to install thunderbird
[01:34] <codecaine> hrdw, apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[01:34] <admrl_> i never am on irc so i figure you guys would do good knowing
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> codecaine: that'll do it
[01:34] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, thanks
[01:34] <codecaine> yeup
[01:34] <levander> Am I the only one ripping CD's with the paranoia options enabled in grip?  How much of a waste of time is that stuff?
[01:34] <stevarino> awesome, thanks everyone
[01:34] <jwb> levander: i always rip with full paranoia
[01:35] <D1> hmmm, I guess the new gnomebaker burns cues/bins
[01:35] <D1> not .3
[01:35] <jwb> levander: it's a bigger waste of time to have to do is again
[01:35] <levander> jwb: and what speed does grip rip for you?  It's ripping for me at 0.1x
[01:35] <jwb> (full paranoia is the default in cdrdao)
[01:35] <jwb> levander: oh that's terrible.  i get about 16x
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> levander: spend $30 and get a new drive :)
[01:35] <jwb> levander: is dma working?
[01:36] <jmspeex> Are there any plans on actually fixing firefox? or at least reverting to the previous version?
[01:36] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I just got a new drive, a pioner dvr-109
[01:36] <codecaine> jmspeex, what's wrong with it?
[01:36] <jwb> levander: hdparm?
[01:36] <levander> jwb: well, i ran the command to enable it, no idea if it's working or not though
[01:36] <codecaine> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[01:36] <levander> codecaine: yeah, that's that command to enable it, i did that
[01:36] <codecaine> it should then tell u dma on
[01:36] <jwb> levander: yeah sometimes it doesn't enable for various reasons.  just run hdparm /dev/hdc to check it
[01:36] <jmspeex> codecaine: crashing all the time, it's even acknowledged in this chan's title
[01:37] <codecaine> agh
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah ensure DMA is enableed
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> but it may be that the disc is scratched
[01:37] <codecaine> jmspeex, didn't notice, mine hasn't crashed yet?
[01:37] <levander> jwb: it says "using_dma = 1 (on)"
[01:37] <jwb> i couldn't get dma working on my new nforce4 machine for a while, then i discovered i had to load amd74xx before ide-generic.
[01:37] <jwb> levander: well that was my only idea :)  is the disc scratched?
[01:38] <levander> I don't think so, but I will check when it's done ripping, 2/3 of way there now.
[01:38] <jmspeex> codecaine: try the sidebar
[01:38] <jwb> has it seriously taken 11 hours to rip the cd?
[01:38] <levander> jwb: when you couldn't get dma enabled, did hdparm report it as enabled?
[01:38] <codecaine> jmspeex, i got it open now what?
[01:39] <jwb> levander: no it stayed as dma = 0
[01:39] <levander> jwb: no idea, it's just been going while i've been off doing other things.  It's been more than three hours though I know.
[01:39] <D1> I dont see an option in graveman either...
[01:39] <levander> jwb: okay, so probably I do have dma enabled.
[01:39] <jmspeex> codecaine: trying to cring up the sidebar crashes firefox, 100% of the time.
[01:39] <jwb> that is ridiculously bad.  i guess you could try cdrdao or abcde or something to check if it's grip's fault
[01:39] <codecaine> "cring?"
[01:39] <levander> next obvious thing is to check for a scratch like HardwareBob said
[01:39] <jmspeex> Tools->extensions crashes it more than half the time
[01:40] <levander> jwb: another good idea, i'll do that after this one rips
[01:40] <codecaine> jmspeex, can't get it to do it.  im running 1.0.4 from backports
[01:41] <jwb> i haven't used grip in ages.  i hacked up a thing in python/pygtk for ripping in parallel from all my cdroms at once.  some day i should package that junk up
[01:41] <jmspeex> codecaine: I thought only 1.0.2 was available (with security fixes)?
[01:41] <codecaine> jmspeex, maybe with security fixes from ubuntu, but backports has 1.0.4
[01:41] <codecaine> backports is part of ubuntu officially i believe
[01:42] <codecaine> theirs several updated packages in backports
[01:42] <levander> codecaine: not unless that's a new thing
[01:42] <codecaine> levin, backports is part of ubuntuforums.org
[01:42] <levander> codecaine: i know up until six months ago, it was volunteer only
[01:42] <jmspeex> codecaine: how do I get it?
[01:43] <codecaine> hold up
[01:43] <codecaine> im not suppose to paste in here
[01:43] <codecaine> have to msg u
[01:43] <citrus_> can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders?
[01:43] <codecaine> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:44] <jwb> citrus: in nautilus, you may need to change the preferences to allow thumbnailing of very large files
[01:44] <jwb> citrus: i think the default is 50MB or something
[01:44] <levander> you know my cd drive is just connected to an old ATA33 controller.  E.g., before 80 conductor cables and ATA66.  But, I think ATA33 is 33 Mbps, should be plenty faster than a CD drive.
[01:44] <jwb> what kind of controller is it levander?
[01:45] <levander> jwb: it's just the controller integrated into my SuperMicro P6DBE motherboard.
[01:45] <levander> That motherboard is based on the 440BX motherboard chipset if that means anything to you.
[01:45] <patrickj> ok back
[01:45] <jwb> levander: is the piix module loaded?
[01:45] <patrickj> where can I obtain libgtk2.0-deV?
[01:45] <patrickj> im trying to compile bluefish....
[01:46] <codecaine> patrickj, bluefish 1.0.1 is avail in backports
[01:46] <jwb> patrickj: apt-get build-dep bluefish
[01:46] <levander> jwb: piix shows up in the output of lsmod, so I guess it is.
[01:46] <patrickj> ok
[01:46] <patrickj> who in here is using Ubuntu as only os on PC?
[01:46] <patrickj> or Mac
[01:47] <citrus_>  can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders?
[01:47] <levander> patrickj: i am, but i've got a windows pc sitting right next to it that i switch to sometimes
[01:47] <levander> citrus_: you mean in nautilus?
[01:47] <jwb> citrus_: pay attention
[01:47] <patrickj> ok I see
[01:47] <patrickj> anways, where can I get latest bluefish
[01:47] <patrickj> i think right now im compiling 1.0
[01:48] <vinboy> why ubuntu uses only 200mb memory?
[01:48] <vinboy> i'm wasting my other 1gb memory then
[01:48] <levander> patrickj: why not just bluefish from the ubuntu repositories?
[01:48] <vinboy> 800mb
[01:48] <patrickj> apt-get install bluefish?
[01:48] <levander> vinboy: it's use it, just doesn't use it right when you start up
[01:48] <jwb> vinboy: on what overwhelming evidence do you base this conclusion?
[01:48] <vinboy> i go to System monitor
[01:49] <vinboy> anyway
[01:49] <patrickj> lol ok
[01:49] <levander> vinboy: hang out for a while, the other memory will get used
[01:49] <codecaine> patrickj, sudo apt-get install bluefish
[01:49] <vinboy> :D
[01:49] <mbirkis_> patrickj: i use ubuntu on my amd64 and i have a old p3 who runs debian sarge :) all linux, no M$ shit
[01:49] <jwb> # free
[01:49] <jwb>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:49] <jwb> Mem:       8106164    8043260      62904          0      92640    7239388
[01:49] <jwb> that's ubuntu using 8GB
[01:49] <patrickj> Nice thanks
[01:50] <patrickj> lol
[01:50] <thespiritoftal> I have a usb storage device... How can i access it? I want to copy some mp3s from it to /home can you help?
[01:50] <levander> jwb: you're on a server?
[01:50] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just power it up and plug it in
[01:50] <jwb> levander: i operate a lot of servers ... that's a postgresql server
[01:50] <patrickj> Crap, i need to backup my music somehow
[01:50] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, should put an icon on your desktop
[01:50] <kwilcox> thespiritofal: does it recognize the device when you plug it in
[01:50] <thespiritoftal> it did
[01:50] <patrickj> to get rid of XP :p
[01:50] <mindsuck> Anyone running ubuntu on x86-64?
[01:51] <patrickj> im on a Celeron D
[01:51] <jwb> i am, mindsuck
[01:51] <thespiritoftal> how can i copy it to /home/user?
[01:51] <patrickj> if thats x86
[01:51] <levander> jwb: ah, i was here wondering if it made any sense to have 8GB on a desktop, but apparently, you're not using one
[01:51] <vinboy> what font do u guys uses?
[01:51] <D1> man
[01:51] <D1> Im stuck
[01:51] <D1> the ubuntu k3b doesn't read cue/bin
[01:51] <mindsuck> jwb: How do you handle 32bit binaries such as flash player?
[01:51] <jwb> vinboy: i use Bitstream Vera
[01:51] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just open it up select your files copy and then paste to home
[01:51] <D1> neither does graveman/gnomebaker
[01:51] <vinboy> jwb, thanks
[01:51] <codecaine> D1, how bout nero for linux?
[01:51] <patrickj> hey i use Bitstream vera for my graphics:D
[01:51] <D1> ehh
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> sorry I don't know much about linux... where can i open /home as a window?
[01:52] <patrickj> Places > Home
[01:52] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, places - home
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> oh thanks
[01:52] <jwb> mindsuck: i don't bother with flashplayer.  if you want flash to work, you need to install a 32-bit firefox or whatever browser you use (konqueror can load 32-bit flash player, if you want to use KDE).  other 32-bit packages work fine as long as you install the ia32-libs package
[01:52] <patrickj> * Places > Home Folder
[01:52] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, you gotta explore your system before you ask those kinds of questions bud.
[01:52] <thesilentkiller> i installed firefox from firefox site....added firefox to path. but looks like firefox works only if i am an su...whatsup with that?
[01:52] <thespiritoftal> another question is a programme doesn't respond... is there a kill command like ctrl+alt+del like in windows?
[01:53] <codecaine> thespiritoftal, just keep clicking the X
[01:53] <patrickj> what fonts is reccomended for installation?
[01:53] <jwb> levander: do you have a line like this in your dmesg?  Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[01:53] <mindsuck> jwb: There's a package for firefox-32 or something like that?
[01:53] <levander> thespiritoftal: there is a kill applet for the gnome panel, you click on the applet, then the window, the window gets killed
[01:53] <tha_gamemaster> thespiritoftal, you can open a terminal, type xkill then hit enter, then click on the dead program
[01:53] <othernoob> thespiritoftal: there is a kill command..it's called kill
[01:53] <jwb> mindsuck: unfortunately ubuntu doesn't understand mixed 64-bit and 32-bit packages, so you have to install the 32-bit in a chroot
[01:54] <tha_gamemaster> thespiritoftal, there's also kill and pkill....
[01:54] <jwb> mindsuck: there's instructions in the amd64 debian faq
[01:54] <mindsuck> jwb: I haven't experimented with x86-64 so far but I'll be getting a system soon and want to be ready for it.
[01:54] <jwb> i seriously do not miss having flash
[01:54] <mindsuck> jwb: A chroot is what I had planned so far, just wondered if it could be avoided.
[01:54] <jstylies> what command updates my "packages" list is it apt-cache update ?
[01:54] <codecaine> apt-get update
[01:54] <codecaine> apt-get upgrade
[01:55] <tha_gamemaster> is there any way to install ubuntu to an external harddrive ?
[01:55] <dacoto> is there suppose to be a .dev and also a dev directory on the root level in ubuntu?
[01:55] <jwb> mindsuck: i've been running linux on amd64 since october 2003 and haven't regretted it at all
[01:55] <jwb> gamemaster: sure, plenty of ways
[01:55] <tha_gamemaster> you rock jwb
[01:55] <mindsuck> jwb: Any broken packages I should be aware of?
[01:56] <jwb> in ubuntu hoary?  none at all
[01:56] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, ok here's the tricky part, i want to install it on an external hard drive... but ppc
[01:56] <patrickj> is enabling a root account unsafe
[01:56] <jwb> gamemaster: can you expand on "external" a bit?  is this a powerbook?
[01:56] <mindsuck> jwb: In ubuntu hoary on amd64. :)
[01:56] <levander> jwb: i'm ripping this cd to a network share.  Is it possible that the network is so slow that it's slowing down my rip this much?
[01:56] <jwb> mindsuck: i'm not aware of any
[01:57] <tha_gamemaster> it's a dual g4 powermac tower, external as in the hard drive is in an external enclosure connected direclty to the motherboard via firewire
[01:57] <codecaine> levin, very possible
[01:57] <mindsuck> jwb: Cool deal. Thanks for the input.
[01:57] <codecaine> levander, very possible
[01:57] <vader_> I am going to try and get an amd 64 for testing from work, they will probably do it
[01:57] <jwb> gamemaster: on a mac, you should have no problem installing and booting from a 1394 disk.
[01:57] <jwb> gamemaster: much harder on a pc, i'm afraid
[01:58] <tha_gamemaster> jwb: right! the mac is good i'm not having a problem with the 1394 boot, it's getting ubuntu to recognise the device is there so i can install to it
[01:58] <levander> well, i'm encoding a wav file to an ogg on that share, i'm ripping a cd to a wave on that share, that's the two things I got going that are heavy bandwidth right now.  Could that be enough to slow it down?
[01:58] <jwb> gamemaster: you don't see it in the installer?  you might need to load the "sbp2" module
[01:58] <tha_gamemaster> jwb ok thanks! let me try!
[01:58] <Dr_Fate> for those having FF issues
[01:59] <Dr_Fate> epiphany is owrking fine and fast!
[01:59] <codecaine> jwb, how would gamemaster do that?  in installer, jump to another console and load that?
[01:59] <phixion> after ive install something with wine, where would it put it? i install it to c:\program files
[01:59] <jwb> codecaine: that's how i usually do it
[01:59] <levander> Hmmm, my encoding process is using less than 10% of the CPU.  Am starting to think there's a problem.
[01:59] <vader_> I only use epiphany or opera, nothing like them 2
[01:59] <mindsuck> jwb: The Debian FAQ says OO.org hasn't been ported to 64 yet. Any news on that?
[01:59] <tha_gamemaster> codecaine, yea or in the installer you can quit the step you're on and scroll down to the bottom and open a shell
[01:59] <patrickj> how again do you install *.deb packages?
[01:59] <codecaine> agh ok
[01:59] <codecaine> sudo apt-get install <package>
[02:00] <patrickj> not from repos
[02:00] <jwb> mindsuck: it's in ubuntu
[02:00] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, modprobe sbp2 was successful but i still don't see the hard drive
[02:00] <patrickj> install a .deb file
[02:00] <patrickj> as a package...
[02:00] <codecaine> jwb, wouldn't he need to rescan hardware somehow?
[02:00] <patrickj> lol
[02:00] <codecaine> jwb, or restart udev
[02:00] <jwb> gamemaster: anything interesting at the end of dmesg?
[02:00] <mindsuck> jwb: cool. :)
[02:01] <patrickj> hey i was interested in getting into Linux programming in ubuntu, what language is reccommended?
[02:01] <asda> !sound
[02:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[02:01] <thesilentkiller> why does firefox require me to be an su to run??
[02:01] <jwb> patrickj: do you know any languages yet?
[02:01] <vader_> bob2: the other day you got it to where I could get my battery indicator up by typing in sudo -s mpdprobe apm, is there a way of getting this to happen upon boot?
[02:01] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, it reads it as scsi through linux... and it says something like "rejectiong i/o to offline device"
[02:02] <jwb> gamemaster: ah shameful.  linux 1394 kinda sucks right now, i'm afraid
[02:02] <Jugan> help, how do i found out if i have WARTY or HOARY?
[02:02] <codecaine> vader_, /etc/modules
[02:02] <vader_> okay and do what when there?
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: sure,  just add "apm" at the end of /etc/modules
[02:03] <codecaine> vader_, add apm there
[02:03] <hybrid> Jugan: look in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: sudo -s "echo apm >> /etc/modules"
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok that was the easyest motherboard switch i have ever done
[02:03] <toresbe> vader_: that should take care of it
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu has won my heart for ever
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:03] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, yea it's been this way as long as i've been using firewire... it always mounts usb and firewire via scsi emulation
[02:04] <hybrid> Jugan: do this    sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and see if it has hoary or warty in there
[02:04] <toresbe> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I solve that by not using cases! ;)
[02:04] <Jugan> hybrid: besides that...what else
[02:04] <jwb> gamemaster: well that makes sense, because the sbp2 protocol *is* scsi, not emulation.
[02:04] <vader_> brb gotta try it
[02:04] <jwb> gamemaster: all i know is i was once able to install linux on an ipod from a powerbook
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the only question i have now is
[02:04] <patrickj> jwb: no not really
[02:04] <hybrid> Jugan: you could uname -a and see which kernel you have compared to hoary kernel
[02:05] <patrickj> jwb: im looking for one relatively easy to learn
[02:05] <jwb> patrickj: you might try python then
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i ran the setup cd to trouble shoot a network problem it said that my cpu supports stepping
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but when i ran my old ubuntu install off of the hard drive
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it said it dosen't what gives?
[02:05] <patrickj> jwb: is it easy/good?
[02:05] <Jugan> hybrid: i installed warty, but I upgraded using the Hoary CD...does that make my Warty a Hoary?
[02:05] <thespiritoftal> I have installed xmms as written in ubuntuguide.org and associated it with mp3 files and now when I try to open a mp3 file it just gets stuck... any reasons why?
[02:05] <jwb> patrickj: with python you can make normal command-line programs, and do GUI stuff, and interact with database, files, network, etc
[02:05] <codecaine> theres a better way to determine version you are running
[02:06] <patrickj> jwb: sounds good, but how to i install .deb files?
[02:06] <jwb> patrickj: apt-get install python
[02:06] <hybrid> Jugan: did it finish the install? btw you didnt need the cd to upgrade
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas guys?
[02:06] <Jugan> hybrid: i included an entry in the sources.list that looks for updates in the Hoary CD and it did update some packages...
[02:06] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, how did you do it? i'm basically doing the exact same thing. i have my iPod at the ready but no desire to install it there... not enough space
[02:06] <patrickj> no I downloaded a .deb package, how can I install it
[02:06] <levander> patrickj: yeah, python is great place to start.  Is very general purpose language, can do lots of different things with it.  And is simple enough that is a good learning language.  But, is good enough, will still want to use it as you know more and more about programming.
[02:06] <Jugan> hybrid: yeah, but i only have dial-up, kindda slow, so i used the CD instead
[02:07] <jwb> gamemaster: i plugged in the ipod and it worked.  maybe because the hardware was a little older/simpler (titanium powerbook)?
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: next time change the name in /etc/apt/sources.list run apt-get update then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:07] <jwb> patrickj: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: ah i c
[02:07] <hybrid> Jugan: order the cd's?
[02:07] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, what version of linux and where you in OS X or in a linux installer like the ubuntu cd
[02:07] <codecaine> cat /etc/debian_version
[02:08] <patrickj> thanks lol I forgot
[02:08] <jwb> gamemaster: that was with the debian ppc installer
[02:08] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, k thanks
[02:08] <codecaine> ** its cat /etc/issue ** that will show you what version of ubuntu you're running
[02:08] <jwb> yeah maybe try debian sarge's installer
[02:09] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, i'll let you know what i can acomplish
[02:09] <jwb> good luck
[02:09] <thespiritoftal> woohoo :) I can run mp3 files now :)
[02:09] <Jugan> hybrid: yes...
[02:09] <tha_gamemaster> jwb, Thank You. ^_^
[02:09] <Jugan> hybrid: i didnt want to totally upgrade to Hoary because Gnome 2.10 is unstable...it kept on crashing...
[02:10] <Jugan> hybrid: i just wanted to update some packages so that I can install MPlayer...kinda tough to install...
[02:10] <patrickj> whats a good python ide?
[02:10] <codecaine> www.wingide.com
[02:10] <levander> patrickj: emacs
[02:10] <codecaine> pure gtk
[02:11] <codecaine> patrickj, costs though like $25
[02:11] <jwb> IDEs are for sissies
[02:11] <codecaine> heh
[02:11] <levander> patrickj: check and see if bluefish supports python, that'd prolly be a good environment for a newbie
[02:11] <codecaine> bluefish works well for syntax highlighting, vim works too
[02:11] <thespiritoftal> how can i open emacs?
[02:11] <levander> thespiritoftal: type "emacs"
[02:11] <vader1102> got it...thanx
[02:11] <jwb> wow this is some hawt n00bie action here
[02:12] <tfort> whats a good file manager?
[02:12] <tfort> yea... you can add that question to it jwb
[02:12] <jurgonh> is there any software that i can burn .IMG images eith?
[02:12] <levander> lol jwb, it's been like this most of day i've been here
[02:12] <jwb> tfort: nautilus, konqueror
[02:12] <patrickj> emacs costs 25$?
[02:12] <Forty|> jwb, wow.. neither of those are very good
[02:12] <levander> patrickj: no, wingide does
[02:12] <jwb> forty: well wtf do i know, i don't use file manglers
[02:12] <levander> emacs is gpl
[02:12] <codecaine> patrickj, no wingide does
[02:12] <StFS> hello. I'm trying to install DeMuDi (an ubuntu based distro that has some patches for increased sound performance). I'm having problems getting my NIC to work when I boot up the installation CD and I've found out that I need to disable ACPI in order to get my network card up and running... however, when I boot the installation CD with "linux26 acpi=off" I get a "Kernel panic: Too many boot env vars at 'acpi=off'"
[02:13] <jwb> forty: xtree gold?
[02:13] <Forty|> jwb, well you said nautilus and konqueror, so obviously
[02:13] <StFS> anybody have any idea?
[02:13] <Forty|> jwb, i'm just teasin, i just hate anything i can associate with gnome
[02:13] <Forty|> or kde
[02:13] <codecaine> Forty|, how come?
[02:13] <citrus_> levander:  yes in nautilus   ----sorry i had to run and get my friend from the beach quick
[02:13] <patrickj> who in here programs?
[02:13] <jwb> forty|: well it seems like if someone comes on and asks that kind of question, "mc" is not the answer they are looking for
[02:13] <codecaine> Forty|, what's your wm choice?
[02:14] <Forty|> codecaine, i like openbox
[02:14] <codecaine> Forty|, you like xfce?
[02:14] <Forty|> my roomate uses it
[02:14] <jwb> patrickj: i've been programming for 20-odd years
[02:14] <codecaine> jwb, i hate mc heh
[02:14] <jwb> ok now we know what file manglers everyone hates
[02:14] <Forty|> i used rox for a little bit but it didn't have the dual file manager like an ftp program that i like
[02:14] <resiak> StFS: DeMuDi is Debian-based, hence the De :)
[02:15] <jwb> tfort: there are NO good file managers for linux.  sorry
[02:15] <codecaine> dont like rox either :)
[02:15] <Forty|> jwb, eh, just looking for a better oen then
[02:15] <codecaine> jwb, why you say that?
[02:15] <patrickj> jwb, what language(s)?
[02:15] <Forty|> codecaine, what ar eyou using?
[02:15] <Forty|> patrickj, i'm a programmer as well
[02:15] <jwb> codecaine: because any one you mention, someone surely hates it
[02:15] <codecaine> Forty|, i use xfce and gnome.
[02:15] <resiak> jwb: Not true. rox and zsh are good :)
[02:15] <codecaine> jwb, lol gotcha
[02:15] <Forty|> codecaine, i mean't for fm
[02:15] <jwb> patrickj: c, perl, and lately python
[02:16] <codecaine> Forty|, i use nautilus rarely, i just use good ole "ls"
[02:16] <jwb> well, and basic, pascal, fortran, etc
[02:16] <Forty|> jwb, ah python... scripting language supreme
[02:16] <codecaine> python is way to go especially with ubuntu as that's their main language i believe
[02:16] <Forty|> i'll stick to my C/C++ thank you
[02:16] <thespiritoftal> everytime when I open ubuntu it says *Checking root system .. / was not cleanly unmounted,check forced  and it fixes somethings and restarts the computer.How can i fix this problem?
[02:16] <vader1102> codecaine: that's all I use lol
[02:17] <codecaine> vader1102, for what? fm?
[02:17] <patrickj> hmm C any hard?
[02:17] <jwb> i recently wrote a big python project using pygtk, musicbrainz, mad, ogg, flac, ao, gstreamer, asyncore, and a ton of other junk.  i'm really impressed with the standard library and was even able to wrap some C libraries in less than an hour from sratch.  py is amazing
[02:17] <patrickj> is java any good?
[02:17] <Forty|> thespiritoftal, um... check the partition adn check your fstab
[02:17] <vader1102> the basicc one that is installed with ubuntu warty
[02:17] <Forty|> jwb, eh i woudln't go that far, py is nice, and easy, but it's definately not amazing
[02:17] <vader1102> whatever that may be
[02:17] <jwb> patrickj: C is totally easy for trivial programs, but it can be frustrating if you're just clueless
[02:18] <thespiritoftal> forty I am a rather new user can you explain me how?
[02:18] <codecaine> jwb, what did u write?
[02:18] <patrickj> jwb: Oh, I see
[02:18] <patrickj> how about java?
[02:18] <codecaine> patrickj, best bet i think is python
[02:18] <patrickj> ok
[02:18] <patrickj> where can I learn it though?
[02:18] <Forty|> jwb, C is trivial programs?
[02:18] <codecaine> patrickj, free book in pdf form called dive into python
[02:18] <Forty|> hahahhaa
[02:18] <patrickj> any good?
[02:18] <jwb> i said it's easy for trivial programs
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, it's actually installed default in ubuntu
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, very good
[02:19] <Forty|> jwb, it's also flexible and great for extremely complex ones as well
[02:19] <patrickj> whatm the book?
[02:19] <jwb> C is suitable for projects in inverse proportion to their complexity
[02:19] <codecaine> patrickj, /usr/share/doc/diveintopython
[02:19] <jwb> anyone at my company who wrote a large project in c would be fired at the earliest available opportunity
[02:20] <thespiritoftal> which packages should i download so that I can burn CDs?
[02:20] <Forty|> hmm... then i guess people should stop writing all of those pesky 3d renderers in C then
[02:20] <patrickj> ok lol
[02:20] <Forty|> and you know... most of the hard graphics programming which is most of the time written in C
[02:20] <xceses> Im pretty new to linux in general i wason gentoo for a week then i gave up because my freind said this was better, anyway im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:20] <jwb> C is "flexible" in the same way that a pile of bare transistors is "flexible"
[02:20] <codecaine> started python but mod_python wasn't as good as php, so im using php now
[02:20] <Forty|> or... a lot of the database program.. or operating systems... writtin in C
[02:21] <codecaine> gnome is in c
[02:21] <jwb> so you see my point
[02:21] <jstylies> my friend needs to reconfigure X on his ubuntu box, what does he type, X -configure ?
[02:21] <codecaine> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:21] <jwb> tstylies: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:21] <jwb> jinx
[02:21] <patrickj> I think i might try C
[02:21] <jstylies> thnx
[02:21] <codecaine> hah
[02:21] <Forty|> jwb, then your company must not be very good with programming :-)
[02:21] <xceses> im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:22] <Forty|> as C is the backbone for many (and also very successful ) large scale projects
[02:22] <jwb> forty: we value productivity
[02:22] <codecaine> xorg.conf
[02:22] <jwb> C is the least productive language in existence.  C is a machine language with macros
[02:22] <Forty|> I choose C++ over C, but still, know that C is only 2nd place to C++
[02:22] <Forty|> which still says a lot
[02:23] <Forty|> jwb, wow, heaven forbid you have  a "machine language" when programming a computer
[02:23] <xceses> im having a problem adjusting screen resolution it will only allow me to select 640/480 i need 1280/1024 so dose anyone know how i can fix it
[02:23] <codecaine> xceses, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your resolution there
[02:23] <jwb> gimme a break.  i didn't come here for a flame war.
[02:23] <xceses> thx
[02:23] <codecaine> yixe!
[02:23] <jwb> you're talking to someone who writes AVR programs in machine language, not some backwards hillbilly
[02:24] <Forty|> i'm just saying, calling C a language that's not suited for large scale projects, is irresponsible and ignorant
[02:24] <Forty|> jwb, you're talking to someone who writes 3d rendering software
[02:24] <jwb> what's irresponsible is to approach any new large-scale project with C
[02:24] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[02:24] <jwb> forty|: so you are the guy who constantly crashes my computer?
[02:24] <Forty|> jwb, probably, you should upgrade sometime ;-)
[02:25] <Forty|> hehe
[02:25] <Forty|> regardless, what did you make with py, i'm done flaming
[02:25] <jwb> an itunes/rhythmbox-like thing which rips from all your cdroms at once
[02:26] <codecaine> jwb, where can i get it? :)
[02:26] <jwb> hardly the kind of thing where i was sweating the instruction scheduling in the inner loop
[02:26] <vader1102> I am soo glad I don't do programing lol, no wars like this, the only programming I do is to write a script for ghost or something simple like that lol
[02:26] <jwb> codecaine: someday, someday
[02:26] <codecaine> flame wars come in all sizes not just programming bud
[02:27] <Razor-X> another programming war?
[02:27] <vader1102> I know lol
[02:27] <jwb> ok i gotta split
[02:27] <Razor-X> ahhh, I guess there was one
[02:27] <xceses> when i open /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says permission denied how would i go about getting in
[02:27] <vader1102> flame war...whatever
[02:27] <Razor-X> damn, I missed it :(
[02:27] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:27] <codecaine> jwb, l8r
[02:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: some guy slagging on C, saying python was superior for big projects
[02:27] <patrickj> has neone every heard of LFS?
[02:27] <Razor-X> xceses: prepend a ``sudo'' if you're opening from the commandline
[02:27] <jstylies> is there anyway that he can reconfigure X as if he has just run a "fresh install"?
[02:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: forgetting conveniently what python is written in
[02:27] <Razor-X> sproingie: ahhh, so that's how it started
[02:27] <codecaine> xcess, sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:27] <Forty|> back to my file manager question
[02:27] <Forty|> anything light that kind of has the ftp feel ?
[02:28] <xceses> k thx
[02:28] <Razor-X> one of these days, we're going to have a battle royale of programming languages and text editors
[02:28] <Forty|> i just need to move a lot of folders to an archive and i'm not really in the mood to mv or cp it all
[02:28] <codecaine> Forty|, mc?
[02:28] <Razor-X> Forty|: my favorite File Manager would be Total Commander, Midnight Commander is the Linux CLI port, Krusader is the Linux GUI port
[02:28] <Forty|> Razor-X, *vim and C++* comes out punching first
[02:28] <Razor-X> nooo!!!!
[02:28] <Razor-X> emacs pwnz j00 buddy!
[02:28] <Forty|> hahahaha
[02:28] <Forty|> ah emacs...
[02:29] <Forty|> nano punches you so hard, you become pregnant
[02:29] <Razor-X> nano can't do shit ;)
[02:29] <hybrid> nano = easy things
[02:29] <Forty|> netiher can emacs, hehe
[02:29] <Razor-X> try and have nano record a macro to remove someone's IRC nick from every line of something copied from #flood
[02:29] <hybrid> Razor-X: ViLE :-P
[02:29] <Razor-X> vi is so ineffecient, especially it's moded design
[02:29] <Razor-X> hybrid: I don't own that vile thing ;)
[02:29] <Razor-X> hell, try and have vi record the same macro
[02:30] <Forty|> Razor-X, i know, i just like it to edit my conf files, hehe
[02:30] <hybrid> ah
[02:30] <Razor-X> but, vi can use a regexp if need be
[02:30] <joevandyk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards is very wrong when it comes to the D-Link DWL-G520.  (using the ath chipset)  I'm on a 64 bit machine.  I had to download madwifi cvs and sharutils, do some tricky compiling with madwifi (it needed four environment vars set), and then a make install.
[02:30] <Razor-X> that's my main gripe, regexps in emacs are pretty powerless
[02:30] <Razor-X> that's why I use sed when I need something like that
[02:31] <Razor-X> joevandyk: 4 environment vars are tricky?
[02:31] <Razor-X> you haven't seen a tricky compile then ;)
[02:31] <joevandyk> Right now, I have two sets of madwifi's installed, one from cvs and one from kernel-restricted.  How do I get rid of the kernel-restricted ones, and get the system to use the new madwifi.
[02:31] <Forty|> so is krusader kde based?
[02:31] <Razor-X> Forty|: yeah, it is
[02:31] <Forty|> ... *shivers*
[02:31] <vader1102> joenadyk: I am rinning the dwl-g650 and had no probs....but am on i-386
[02:31] <Razor-X> Total Commander is really really powerful if you can use it right
[02:31] <patrickj> hmm if I do C++, wuts the best IDE?
[02:31] <Razor-X> that's where my affinity for the keyboard started from
[02:31] <codecaine> patrickj, ajunta
[02:31] <Razor-X> patrickj: emacs ;)
[02:31] <vader1102> especially using madwifi
[02:31] <lachu_> hey peeppppsss this is totallly random but how do i connect to the netgamers server
[02:32] <j_fletcher> ajunta is cool
[02:32] <Forty|> soon soon, my new 64 bit will be here
[02:32] <Razor-X> lachu_: netgamer?
[02:32] <xceses> ok in my xorg.conf file it said everything is set to 1280/786 though in gnome the screen res option is 640/480?!?!
[02:32] <joevandyk> Razor-X, they're tricky when you gotta export KERNELPATH and KERNELVERSION because their build system builds it for the wrong kernel and then use this command for the build: make TARGET="x86_64-elf" TOOLPREFIX=""
[02:32] <patrickj> does emacs have Syntax highlighting snd stuff?
[02:33] <Forty|> xceses, you could do a kill -9 -1 and startx manually and see if anythign changes
[02:33] <lachu_> hav u not heard of it, it a game server that u cn log on to to play a game called PA
[02:33] <Razor-X> joevandyk: when you compile a kernel... this will al be nice air ;)
[02:33] <Forty|> xceses, you'll see if its a gnome issue or a Xorg issue
[02:33] <joevandyk> But anyways, the page is completely wrong, Ubuntu doesn't support it out of the box, and the message boards have a lot of people who had this problem.
[02:33] <patrickj> ?
[02:33] <vader1102> brb
[02:33] <xceses> ok
[02:33] <Razor-X> Forty|: or hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace that does the exact same thing ;)
[02:33] <Forty|> joevandyk, ubuntu doesn't support a lot of things, which is the only reason i might want to go back to gentoo
[02:33] <joevandyk> Razor-X, I've never had to set an environment variable to compile a kernel.  In the past, everything was set in the .config file for the kernel.
[02:33] <patrickj> Where can I get emacs?
[02:33] <Razor-X> joevandyk: *shudders*
[02:33] <Forty|> Razor-X, not if you're using gdm
[02:34] <Kyral> its installed I think
[02:34] <Razor-X> patrickj: sudo aptitude install emacs21
[02:34] <lachu_> so hu cn help me out?
[02:34] <Razor-X> Kyral: no, unfortunately
[02:34] <Kyral> wow...
[02:34] <Kyral> Oh well, I don't use emacs :P
[02:34] <patrickj> Razor-X: thanks
[02:34] <joevandyk> Forty|, I think breezy will have the latest madwifi which would solve the problem, but the wiki is wrong now.  Ubuntu really needs an official supported hardware page.
[02:34] <Razor-X> I don't use XEmacs, but, in this day and age, it would be crime to suggest emacs21-nox to someone who doesen't like the command line as much as I do ;)
[02:34] <GMachine_24> Evening all. Anyone have ipod software that comes in an ubuntu package -- i have tried ipodder with only moderate success. thanks in advance.
[02:35] <vader1102> bk for now
[02:35] <Razor-X> I'm never buying an iPod if it's not Linux compatible
[02:35] <codecaine> gtkpod
[02:35] <Razor-X> in fact, i'm looking for a 512 MB player right now
[02:35] <hybrid> gtkpod
[02:35] <DavyO> hello ppl
[02:35] <GMachine_24> thank you.
[02:35] <Razor-X> I don't have the staggering amount of money needed for an iPod or iPod Mini
[02:35] <DavyO> how is everyone doing?
[02:35] <GMachine_24> This is to run on my computer, Razor.
[02:35] <citrus_>  can someone tell me how to make my movies have a little image of the movie in my folders in nautilus?
[02:36] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: I know
[02:36] <Razor-X> even still, I can't afford an iPod
[02:36] <joevandyk> How do I contact to fix the supported hardware page?
[02:36] <GMachine_24> ok... just checking ;)
[02:36] <patrickj> how is emacs the best C++ editor?
[02:36] <Razor-X> i'm just 15, and my money source is lunch money
[02:36] <GMachine_24> me either
[02:36] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: get a job :)
[02:36] <GMachine_24> ouch razor
[02:36] <Razor-X> and telling my parents I ate ;)
[02:36] <patrickj> isnt there a really good ide for KDE?
[02:36] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: parents are against it
[02:36] <j_fletcher> ;o
[02:36] <joevandyk> or how do i file a bug?
[02:36] <DavyO> can someone tell me how to install the industrial GTK2 theme ?
[02:36] <Razor-X> it's not in Indian ideals to get jobs at young ages
[02:36] <GMachine_24> parents are against everything
[02:36] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: thats why I moved out at 15 :)
[02:36] <stevenj> is there anyone here using backports firefox 1.0.4?
[02:36] <Razor-X> my parents could afford an iPod, but, probably the reason we have so much money is that, we don't buy much technology stuff
[02:37] <codecaine> me
[02:37] <Razor-X> and my dad earns good money, there's that ;)
[02:37] <vader1102> Razor-X: I have an mp3 player that works and it is a 512 MB give me one sec and I will give you the name of it
[02:37] <Razor-X> stevenj: quite a few, actually
[02:37] <hybrid> Razor-X: technology sucks ya dry
[02:37] <Razor-X> vader1102: how much is it?
[02:37] <crimsun> DavyO: sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-industrial
[02:37] <hybrid> Razor-X: got linux on all your comps
[02:37] <crimsun> DavyO: should already be installed, though
[02:37] <Razor-X> hybrid: 2 computers, an i486, and this 2 year old one
[02:37] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: you cant be _that_ young if you can use Linux
[02:37] <Razor-X> 1 TV older than I am, the other is half my age
[02:37] <patrickj> wuts that C++ IDE for KDE?
[02:37] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: yes I can
[02:37] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[02:37] <Razor-X> I started Linux at 11
[02:37] <DavyO> crimsun : the engine is installed
[02:38] <codecaine> patrickj, ajunta is gnome
[02:38] <Razor-X> and i'm a big CLI proponent, and I code and write documentation *shrugs*
[02:38] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: same, but I got a full time job at 15 still
[02:38] <hybrid> Razor-X:  dont update the other put linux on them then say with the money you saved get you an iPod they gotta love that
[02:38] <crimsun> DavyO: so change the theme
[02:38] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: parents are against it, plus 16 is the legal age nowadays
[02:38] <xceses> ok well nothing differant
[02:38] <zone17> Hi, if I use "aptitude dist-upgrade" I get about 100 packages for upgrade, but if I use "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get 0 packages for upgrade, shouldn't that be the same?
[02:38] <vader1102> it was $101.00 a month ago....canadina $$
[02:38] <Razor-X> hybrid: hmmmm?
[02:38] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: where on earth you live :s
[02:38] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: America
[02:38] <DavyO> but when i try to download the industrial GTK theme from art.gnome.org it doesnt work
[02:38] <xceses> any other screen rez ideas
[02:39] <stevenj> backports apps seem to working fine; however, firefox has me confused-when I "smart upgrade" or dist-upgrade I get an error...is this normal? firefox seems to work after that...should I uninstall firefox 1.0.2 first then upgrade?
[02:39] <Razor-X> but, Indian families don't like kids getting jobs
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's against their family values
[02:39] <crimsun> zone17: aptitude tries harder more intelligently
[02:39] <j_fletcher> Razor-X: are you religious?
[02:39] <Razor-X> as is a lot of things Caucasian families take for granted ;)
[02:39] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: not at all, I am Hindu, but barely
[02:39] <j_fletcher> Razor-X:  then surely it dont apply to u?
[02:39] <Razor-X> it's a short stones throw from atheist
[02:39] <vader1102> Razor-X: I am looking at it right now and do not see a brand name on it
[02:39] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: it's family values, not religion
[02:39] <Razor-X> vader1102: how much was it?
[02:40] <GMachine_24> Ok so gtkpod seems to be only a program to manage ipods on an apple iPod. I need something to run on my ubuntu desktop.
[02:40] <vader1102> Razor-X: $101.00 canadian
[02:40] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: how can you manage iPods on an iPod?
[02:40] <GMachine_24> i have no idea and i don't care. i just want some software to d/l ipods to my linux computer.
[02:40] <patrickj> where the ajunta page?
[02:40] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, where'd you move to at 15?
[02:40] <Razor-X> GMachine_24: exactly, gtkpod does your stuff
[02:40] <Razor-X> you read it wrong ;)
[02:41] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: Nottingham, England
[02:41] <Razor-X> I have no dillusions -- i'm not moving out
[02:41] <GMachine_24> that figures. i'm retarded.
[02:41] <zone17> crimsun, but they both use the same repos file right?
[02:41] <Razor-X> s/dillusions/delusions/
[02:41] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, You lived in england beforehand, no?
[02:41] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: yeah, but I lived in Norway from 3 - 9
[02:41] <vader1102> Razor-X: did you see my repsonse?
[02:41] <stevenj> I basically just need to know the correct way to install backports firefox without getting an error
[02:41] <DavyO> crimsun : i have downloaded it from art.gnome.org, but it appears to be the wrong file
[02:41] <Razor-X> vader1102: that's $82 USD
[02:41] <GMachine_24> some swarthy looking guy left his packaged bottle of starbucks frappucino at our coffee table today and we were debating whether it was a bomb.... ;)
[02:41] <Razor-X> that's steep, but, I can afford it
[02:42] <vader1102> yup
[02:42] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: I'm only 16 atm, and its still going good, allthough legaly you gotta be 18 for live on your own
[02:42] <Razor-X> I'm thinking i'm going to get an iRiver *shrugs*
[02:42] <vader1102> Razor-X: I will send you the phone number for the place, and you can make the arrangements for it's delivery
[02:43] <Forty|> k, better question, anyone know a program or know if easy tag can... rename folders based on flags?
[02:43] <Forty|> for instance album name?
[02:43] <Nameeater> iRivers play ogg ^^
[02:44] <patrickj> hey wheres the ajunta home pagesourceforge page?
[02:44] <xceses> can someone walk me through fixing my screen resolution problems
[02:44] <Nameeater> patrickj: google ?
[02:44] <patrickj> i tried
[02:44] <patrickj> its all like ajunta pall and stuff
[02:44] <Razor-X> back
[02:45] <Razor-X> yeah, iRiver plays oggs, that's why I want it
[02:45] <Nameeater> http://anjuta.org/ I googled for ajunta homepage IDE :/
[02:45] <Razor-X> I've read a lot on it
[02:45] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, how'd you get a job?
[02:45] <Razor-X> only thing I don't like about it is that the UMS firmware caps speed by 30%
[02:45] <Razor-X> on the other hand, UMS speeds on my iRock are even faster than Windows
[02:45] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm strong and hardworking, perfect bricky :)
[02:46] <Nameeater> UMS?
[02:46] <stevarino> okay..... the mp3 problem ( see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-639a621dfdd2455b114477921b28145252b78050 ) it says i should look for the package gstreamer0.8-mad but its not listed.. ack, help?
[02:46] <patrickj> Nameeater: Not found
[02:46] <Razor-X> USB Memory Storage, something along those lines
[02:46] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, how'd you get a place to live?
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm really not your average net-nerd, just had a thing for computers, crap at other stuff
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: you have to enable universe
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: moved in with a mate, then he left to move in with his gf, now im on my own
[02:46] <Razor-X> j_fletcher: I may seem like a computer nerd, but at heart, i'm a math nerd ;)
[02:46] <Nameeater> patrickj: its slow but it works for me..
[02:46] <D1> grrr, wish someone built gnomebaker already
[02:46] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: lol :)
[02:46] <D1> I dont wanna install all these -dev dependencies
[02:46] <patrickj> OMG lol i was looking for ajunta not anjuta :$
[02:47] <j_fletcher> Discipulus: i'm good at maths, but nothing special really.
[02:47] <Discipulus> Razor-X, same here
[02:47] <Discipulus> j_fletcher, same here
[02:47] <mbirkis_> D1: i installed gnomebaker with synaptic
[02:47] <j_fletcher> ;D
[02:47] <Nameeater> it is a difficult name, I spell it wrong all the time lol
[02:47] <crimsun> D1: it's already in universe.
[02:47] <emuflame> whats up all
[02:47] <Razor-X> i've been noticing that the Ubuntu community shifts it's interests every so often
[02:47] <mbirkis_> D1: yeah listen to crimsun
[02:47] <patrickj> nice, thanks ;d
[02:47] <Discipulus> Razor-X, what do you mean
[02:47] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: i thought i did that... under the backports repository
[02:47] <patrickj> ill have to learn to use GPP
[02:47] <Razor-X> a while back it was text editors, shifted to package managers, now it's shifted to programming languages
[02:48] <D1> crimsun, not .04
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: no, you also have to add universe and multiverse from the normal repository
[02:48] <Razor-X> now references to anjuta have become more popular
[02:48] <Discipulus> lol
[02:48] <vader1102> Razor-X: I just sent you that phone #
[02:48] <Razor-X> whereas in the past, it was more pleas for getting Synaptic/apt-get to work
[02:48] <Razor-X> (hence the generic sources.list)
[02:48] <Razor-X> vader1102: I saw it ;)
[02:48] <vader1102> k
[02:48] <patrickj> nice its python ide too :d
[02:48] <Razor-X> for a long time there were text editor wars
[02:48] <Discipulus> heh
[02:48] <Razor-X> now it's programming language wars
[02:49] <Discipulus> lol
[02:49] <Razor-X> even before the text editor wars, we had WM wars
[02:49] <Discipulus> no point in a programming language war, each language is written for specific puproses
[02:49] <Razor-X> I don't know why, but the #ubuntu community has had minor, but definite interest shifts
[02:49] <crimsun> are you using Hoary?
[02:49] <crimsun> D1: ^
[02:49] <Discipulus> each language has a specific purpose and serves that purpose well
[02:49] <patrickj> how do I compile or run .cc source files with gcc?
[02:49] <patrickj> lol
[02:49] <patrickj> or gpp
[02:49] <D1> yes.
[02:49] <stevenj> why is BP firefox held back using apt-get upgrade?
[02:49] <stevarino> HrdwrBoB: awesome, that did the trick, thanks!
[02:49] <Discipulus> people get too emotional about things
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: excellent :)
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> stevarino: I'll fix the wiki
[02:50] <StFS> resiak: sorry for the late response but DeMuDi 1.2.1 Live CD is an Ubuntu CD at the core.
[02:50] <crimsun> D1: and it hasn't been backported?
[02:50] <Discipulus> patrickj, .cc? Never heard of that source file extension
[02:50] <Razor-X> Discipulus: you should've seen the ratpoison vs twm thing ;)
[02:50] <D1> not yet.
[02:50] <Razor-X> that was one kickass fight ;)
[02:50] <Discipulus> Razor-X, must have been interesting, people get too attached to things
[02:50] <Razor-X> Discipulus: yeah, i've noticed
[02:50] <patrickj> well how do I compile .cpp files?
[02:50] <Discipulus> Razor-X, or think they're way is the only way
[02:50] <Razor-X> patrickj: gcc
[02:50] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc
[02:50] <crimsun> D1: I may be able to generate a package in a few.
[02:50] <Razor-X> one of these days, we have to have text editor clan wars
[02:51] <hybrid> patrickj: apt-get install buildessintials
[02:51] <patrickj> already have em
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o <myprog> <myprog>.cpp
[02:51] <Ryan_D> when you install the kernel source do you HAVE to recompile the kernel, even if you don't want to make any changes to the current one?
[02:51] <hybrid> cc foo
[02:51] <Razor-X> patrickj: but they're just mouthoffs
[02:51] <patrickj> do I just type gcc foo.cpp?
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o <myprog> <myprog>.cpp
[02:51] <D1> I'm gonna attempt to build it myself.
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, or in that case
[02:51] <cajun> how do i make a program open ALL files of a certain file type?  I want to make all MS Office files open in Open Office
[02:51] <Discipulus> patrickj, gcc -o foo foo.cpp
[02:51] <Nameeater> uh isn't it the other way around?
[02:51] <hybrid> patrickj: yes
[02:51] <Razor-X> some unbiased third party needs to make a set of complex text editing requirements that proponents of X editor need to accomplish
[02:52] <stevarino> when i'm looking at the synaptic package manager, some of the packages are labeled with stars... whats that mean?
[02:52] <Razor-X> that way, we can have anywhere from 2-5 editor clans facing off against each other
[02:52] <Razor-X> and we'll see who wins
[02:52] <hybrid> Razor-X: i like Vi bindings but emacs is sooo damn powerfull
[02:52] <Razor-X> oh the drama! the emacs winner had a viLE user! XD
[02:52] <Razor-X> hahah, yeah hybrid
[02:52] <Razor-X> I hate vi bindings
[02:52] <Razor-X> because on a Dvorak keyboard, they're all over the place
[02:52] <hybrid> ah
[02:52] <patrickj> doesnt it come with the standard header files
[02:52] <patrickj> iostream.h?
[02:53] <Razor-X> I increased 30 WPM from the switch
[02:53] <Razor-X> but, I don't think my hands can improve anymore
[02:53] <D1> ok, all compiled.
[02:53] <Nameeater> patrickj: yes
[02:53] <patrickj> ok lol
[02:53] <patrickj> :p
[02:53] <Razor-X> Discipulus: typing source gets really tricky on big files
[02:53] <Razor-X> even in my LaTeX documents, math formulae gets gooey
[02:54] <Discipulus> Razor-X, very true
[02:54] <Razor-X> that, and I love my Eterm ;)
[02:54] <mgcross> h'llo all...are there any working backport mirrors out there...been digging for a while and can't find one
[02:54] <Razor-X> my Terminal environment is custom-tailored to me and only me
[02:54] <patrickj> brb
[02:55] <Razor-X> it's effective at security, and increases my productivity
[02:55] <Razor-X> who cares about accessibility on your personal computer, no?
[02:55] <Razor-X> (at least, that's my viewpoint)
[02:55] <darkmatter> Eterm is sweet. But then, so is E.
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: tailored to you and only you is reduant
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: why do they call it dvorak
[02:55] <Razor-X> hybrid: but it's meant to emphasize the point
[02:55] <hybrid> lol
[02:55] <Razor-X> Dvorak is named after the author of the keyboard layout
[02:55] <hybrid> Razor-X: i love the console
[02:56] <Razor-X> who was a distant cousin of Anton Dvorak
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: ah aint john c dvorak?
[02:56] <thechristelegacy> Hey, whenever I try to run the live CD and all the text is flashing by, it hangs whenever it gets to "Mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" IThe systen is a newly bought Dell and the mouse I am using is a USB mouse. Anyone know what the problem is?
[02:56] <Razor-X> (his name was August Dvorak)
[02:56] <Nameeater> is it possibble to see the header info in evolution?
[02:56] <Razor-X> no not that Dvorak, i'm inclined to ask if John C. Dvorak uses Dvorak though
[02:56] <Razor-X> by sending an email to TWiT, hopefully
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[02:56] <Razor-X> hybrid: I compiled my Eterm ;)
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: TWiT? i love twit
[02:56] <Razor-X> TWiT kicks ass
[02:56] <hybrid> Razor-X: HEH
[02:57] <Razor-X> it got me into podcasting in general
[02:57] <hybrid> TWiT systm thebroken
[02:57] <hybrid> same here
[02:57] <Razor-X> TWiT, diggnation, and KFI is what I listen to
[02:57] <hybrid> i aint listenm to diggnation yet
[02:57] <Razor-X> helps when my mom takes the whole family to her weekend exercises
[02:57] <hybrid> kfi pwns
[02:57] <hybrid> lol
[02:57] <Razor-X> (which means I can't sleep in on the weekends)
[02:57] <Razor-X> the days i'm not too sleepy (cuz I went to sleep at 4 last night), I just listen to a podcast
[02:58] <hybrid> systm showed how to make a mythtv box
[02:58] <Razor-X> or i'm not reading a book
[02:58] <Forty|> hmm anyone know a tagger that will edit the folder as well?
[02:58] <Razor-X> systm is cool, definitely, but I lack the hardware skills ;)
[02:58] <Razor-X> I'm good with software, but not with hardware, not that good anyways
[02:58] <Razor-X> Harry Potter is overrated
[02:58] <mgcross> found it, methinks...thanks anyhoo
[02:58] <vader1102> Razor-X: I try to sleep on the weekends but with the heat being what ot has been in the past 3 or 4 weeks, and no A/C it is almost impossible
[02:58] <Razor-X> I'm gonna stand in line for Knife of Dreams ;)
[02:58] <Forty|> Razor-X, mythtv is actually very easy
[02:58] <Razor-X> vader1102: it's ben like 102 here
[02:58] <Razor-X> I love the heat, it's nice
[02:59] <vader1102> been close to that here
[02:59] <hybrid> Razor-X: i like HP i want art of intruesion
[02:59] <vader1102> hotter in the apt
[02:59] <Razor-X> Forty|: you don't understand, my parents would hate the idea of me touching a circuit board
[02:59] <D1> anyone have a link on how to make .deb's for ubuntu?
[02:59] <Razor-X> and then, I don't know that much
[02:59] <D1> I wanna try to package gnomebaker .04
[02:59] <Razor-X> I know the basic theory behind electrical things
[02:59] <Razor-X> but not the application
[03:00] <hybrid> my uncle is an electrician i have but up breaker boxes from scratch with him
[03:00] <darkmatter> Razor-X, Why would they hate the idea?
[03:00] <hybrid> hmm HIM
[03:00] <Razor-X> darkmatter: they're against ``hacking'' in general
[03:00] <darkmatter> Razor-X, bad parents ;)
[03:00] <Razor-X> and Linux, and all other non-normal things
[03:00] <Razor-X> and yet, they want me to be uber-smart, and not seem nerdish
[03:00] <alex_gatinhu> oi
[03:00] <alex_gatinhu> blz glr
[03:00] <Razor-X> I don't even understand how that's possible *shrugs*
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: i convienced my mom to let my install linux on here
[03:01] <Razor-X> hybrid: I secreted the double-boot
[03:01] <Razor-X> and made sure my dad didn't notice the missing space
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: remember that video cast? installing linux episode 1
[03:01] <thechristelegacy> any guesses to why the ubuntu live cd hangs at "Mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" ?
[03:01] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[03:01] <epitron> hey, what happened to the wiki? :(
[03:02] <GMachine_24> bye. thanks.
[03:02] <Razor-X> thechristelegacy: did you check if the CD is bad?
[03:02] <vader1102> thechristlegacy: worked fine for me....no idea why it would do that
[03:02] <vader1102> but I KNOW NOTHING
[03:02] <stevenj> can someone please take a look at this-the backports firefox 1.0.4 problem        http://phpfi.com/71331
[03:02] <vader1102> sorry^^
[03:02] <hybrid> vader1102: you too?
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: knowing that you know nothing is the wisest wisdom
[03:02] <darkmatter> epitron, it's still there.
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: or the stupidest wisdom
[03:02] <thechristelegacy> I ordered 2 disk, I'll check the other one, thanks for the tip :), I'll report back
[03:02] <epitron> vader1102: it could go either way :D
[03:03] <epitron> darkmatter: it says "service unavailable" when i view it
[03:03] <hybrid> Razor-X: beta
[03:03] <hybrid> now
[03:03] <Razor-X> hybrid: should I?
[03:03] <Razor-X> I was wondering about that
[03:03] <Razor-X> how fast is the torrent client?
[03:03] <vader1102> lol, I always claim to know nothing....beats having to do some awsome hard work.
[03:03] <hybrid> Razor-X: yes
[03:03] <hybrid> !
[03:03] <Razor-X> and does it soak up my CPU?
[03:03] <ubotu> hybrid: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:03] <Nameeater> opera is fsking win :D
[03:04] <misfit_toy> ok, why does totem lose sound if you open an mp3 file then close that and change to an avi?
[03:04] <hybrid> once i get my note book back i am gettin opera beta
[03:04] <vader1102> <---= super lasy on the weekend lol
[03:04] <darkmatter> epitron, weird. works fine on this end...
[03:04] <epitron> darkmatter: ohhh dah :) i'm using an ad blocking proxy server i wrote which doesn't support https :)
[03:04] <epitron> NEVERMIND
[03:04] <Razor-X> ``Opera users maintain that they are highly unrepresented'' -- Leo Laporte, TWiT
[03:04] <Razor-X> and that's true too
[03:04] <darkmatter> epitron, lol
[03:04] <hybrid> yea!
[03:04] <hybrid> the show up as IE
[03:04] <Razor-X> if you want it to
[03:04] <Razor-X> and I like it better that way, we're given treatment
[03:04] <hybrid> heh opera on linux
[03:04] <Razor-X> s/treatment/better treatment/
[03:04] <crimsun> they don't bother to change the user agent config from the default, heh.
[03:05] <epitron> opera is still the best browser, imho :)
[03:05] <Razor-X> crimsun: whenever I go to their site, I change it to Opera
[03:05] <hybrid> thot you didnt like vi bindings?
[03:05] <darkmatter> epitron, you mean Epiphany:D
[03:05] <Razor-X> hybrid: it's sed notation man, sed
[03:05] <epitron> darkmatter: nice try!!
[03:05] <epitron> ;)
[03:05] <hybrid> OS: Linux Browser: IE
[03:05] <mgcross> wow...backports enabled updates a lot of things...should I be doing that?
[03:06] <hybrid> Razor-X: heh
[03:06] <epitron> i used to like gnome/gtk... i've totally realized that KDE is like 10x better
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid: hahahaha ;)
[03:06] <Razor-X> epitron: good job!
[03:06] <stevenj> as a result of http://phpfi.com/71331 I have one broken package.  How in the hell do you install backports firefox from a fresh hoary install?
[03:06] <mgcross> ?
[03:06] <hybrid> mgcross: yes it is okay now
[03:06] <hybrid> !backports
[03:06] <ubotu> from memory, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:06] <epitron> kde used to be crappy like, 5 years ago
[03:06] <epitron> and gtk used to be great when it was v1.2
[03:06] <epitron> but things change
[03:06] <epitron> :)
[03:06] <Razor-X> epitron: exactly
[03:06] <Razor-X> that's what I thought
[03:06] <principiant> algu parla el catal?????
[03:06] <Razor-X> changing Gnome to v2 was the biggest mistake Gnome coulda done
[03:06] <hybrid> i prefer screen
[03:07] <Razor-X> principiant: #ubuntu-es
[03:07] <epitron> Razor-X: they just didn't do it right
[03:07] <mgcross> why does synaptic show a fail the first time I update, and then ok farther down the list <tinfoil hat time)
[03:07] <mgcross> ?
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid: emacs buffers here ;)
[03:07] <principiant> ok!!
[03:07] <hybrid> lol
[03:07] <epitron> Razor-X: gtk2 was way to immature when they switched over to it
[03:07] <hybrid> Razor-X: i never thot of that
[03:07] <Razor-X> you can't split a window into two screen sessions, CAN YA?! ;)
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid: you aren't using your emacs effeciently then
[03:07] <Razor-X> try M-x shell
[03:07] <Razor-X> it's my favorite Terminal Emulator in emacs
[03:08] <Razor-X> seconded by M-x Eshell
[03:08] <mgcross> update the sources list, that is?
[03:08] <Razor-X> M-x terminal-emulator for an almost-identical-to-terminal terminal-emulator
[03:08] <Razor-X> and M-x ansi-term for one inbetween that supports color, like ncurses and stuff
[03:08] <Razor-X> and also, Eshell is OS independant
[03:09] <Razor-X> which means that using Eshell on Windows makes the command-line cruise
[03:09] <H00chster> Would anyone know why on Ubu for AMD64 if I boot to stock kernel all is good but booting to Vanilla 2.6.13 kernel it isn't mounting my /home partition which is on it's own drive?  system boots fine otherwise?
[03:09] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: sorry, I don't use totem, I use vlc so *shrugs*
[03:09] <hybrid> misfit_toy: looked into resticted formats?
[03:09] <H00chster> same ide interface just /dev/hdb
[03:09] <hybrid> !ristricted formats
[03:09] <ubotu> hybrid: I give up, what is it?
[03:09] <Razor-X> !restricted
[03:09] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:09] <hybrid> !restricted formats
[03:09] <ubotu> methinks restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:09] <Razor-X> hahaha ;)
[03:09] <misfit_toy> hybrid, it's not restricted, it's just an avi, if I reboot, the avi will play
[03:09] <Razor-X> beat ya!
[03:09] <Nameeater> I can't install vlc, it dies trying to download it
[03:09] <Nameeater> with apt-get
[03:09] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: there's no format called ``avi'' by the way
[03:09] <crimsun> misfit_toy: sounds like a gstreamer sync issue
[03:10] <Razor-X> AVI is a container format
[03:10] <hybrid> yup
[03:10] <Razor-X> Nameeater: have you added universe and multiverse
[03:10] <Nameeater> ya
[03:10] <hybrid> for xvid divx mp4
[03:10] <Razor-X> Nameeater: what's the error?
[03:10] <misfit_toy> crimsun, both will play, just not after each other, get my drift?
[03:10] <[freebsd> Hey, can anyone help me find a place to grab Windows XP from to use with an existing legitimate XP Home Serial? Sorry to ask off topic here, but this is the only group of intelligent people I can think of
[03:10] <misfit_toy> crimsun, a reboot fixes the issue temporarilyu
[03:10] <misfit_toy> -u
[03:10] <crimsun> misfit_toy: hence why I said it sounds like a gstreamer sync issue
[03:10] <hybrid> misfit_toy: so you can play them
[03:10] <Nameeater> can't recall right now, was a couple of days ago i last tried, trying again now
[03:10] <Razor-X> [freebsd: sorry, even if you claim it's legit, that doesen't belong here
[03:11] <Razor-X> you can try in #ubuntu-offtopic, or #windows
[03:11] <[freebsd> Its on the sticker on the side of my emachine :(
[03:11] <misfit_toy> hybrid, yes, just not one after the other, like I have a beck mp3 collection, plays fine, but open a Ramones .avi movie and no sound
[03:11] <Nameeater> I think it dies trying to download some headers
[03:11] <hybrid> Razor-X: i heard openbsd's creator was paraniod
[03:11] <misfit_toy> but a reboot fixes it
[03:11] <mgcross> hybrid: can you tell me why, when  reloading the sources list, I get a fail, and then farther down the list it says OK? Paranoid about breaking my box...
[03:11] <Nameeater> the file it wants is on the server im pretty sure but the headers are broken
[03:11] <Razor-X> hybrid: that's maybe why I don't use it? ;)
[03:11] <crimsun> hybrid: paranoia is a _good_ thing for security
[03:11] <hybrid> misfit_toy: using alsa?
[03:11] <Razor-X> I don't like BSD
[03:11] <[freebsd> Could I even copy an existing Windows Harddrive to a new harddrive, formatted fat32, and then use my XP repair disk with my serial on it?
[03:11] <misfit_toy> hybrid, ESD
[03:11] <hybrid> crimsun: yea thats why it has had 1 hole in 8yrs
[03:11] <Razor-X> I mean, anyone who thinks tcsh should be the default shell....
[03:11] <Razor-X> *shakes head*
[03:12] <patrickj> back, and PHP it is!
[03:12] <Razor-X> crimsun is our audio expert
[03:12] <Razor-X> if he can't solve it, very few can ;)
[03:12] <darkmatter> [freebsd, if it didn't come with the disk, you can't dl the disk and have it be 'legit'
[03:12] <patrickj> well I do some java i guess
[03:12] <hybrid> misfit_toy: it sounds like it get stuck on the mp3 output style therefore cant move to avi output
[03:12] <patrickj> wuts the best java ide?
[03:12] <Razor-X> patrickj: emacs
[03:12] <[freebsd> Can't you stick in the serial from the sticker on the side of the physical box from a Premade machine from Best Buy?
[03:12] <Razor-X> hahaha, emacs is an ide for everything
[03:12] <patrickj> ugh how bout eclipse?
[03:12] <hybrid> Razor-X: best song right here
[03:13] <darkmatter> eclipse is bloated
[03:13] <misfit_toy> hybrid, I agree, and I can't figure out what's stuck, a ps -ef |grep mp3....etc.... doesn't show anything
[03:13] <Razor-X> [freebsd: don't think so
[03:13] <patrickj> how about anjuta?
[03:13] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: nothing's stuck
[03:13] <darkmatter> anjuta's ok
[03:13] <[freebsd> Rar.
[03:13] <Razor-X> it means that grep mp3 returns nothing
[03:13] <hybrid> misfit_toy: hmm well you could try alsa but idk from there man sorry
[03:13] <Razor-X> [freebsd: unrar ;)
[03:13] <knoppix> My ubuntu installation won't let me auto login;  the message says the disk may be full, and "gdm cannot write to your authorizations."  I've deleted some files and made some space, but still get the same message.  Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[03:13] <misfit_toy> hybrid, thanks, no biggie
[03:13] <darkmatter> but it's not really aimed at java
[03:13] <[freebsd> Razor-X: :(
[03:13] <Jugan> hi
[03:13] <hybrid> Razor-X: best song right here! enter sandman
[03:14] <patrickj> whats the best Virtual Machine software to run Windows 2000 in ubuntu?
[03:14] <Razor-X> knoppix: try a reinstall
[03:14] <[freebsd> vmware
[03:14] <Razor-X> patrickj: VMWare if you have the money
[03:14] <hybrid> misfit_toy: wish ya luck man
[03:14] <Razor-X> if not, QEMU
[03:14] <darkmatter> qemu
[03:14] <Razor-X> you're better of double-booting though
[03:14] <misfit_toy> hybrid, I'll figure it out just hoped someone already had the issue resolved,googled for hours
[03:14] <hybrid> misfit_toy: know the feeling man
[03:14] <misfit_toy> :)
[03:14] <[freebsd> How about.. Start up a Cygwin on an existing XP home box, Rsync it to a spare harddrive through my lin box, then repair with my own serial?
[03:15] <hybrid> misfit_toy: if i hear anything i look for ya
[03:15] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: why would you grep mp3?
[03:15] <Jugan> i just installed mplayer...i compiled from source.  mplayer seemed to work fine...it can play videos already when invoked from the terminal but the GUI doesn work...it looks for libXxf86dga.so.1.  Im using WARTY
[03:15] <Razor-X> [freebsd: you can try *shrugs*
[03:15] <misfit_toy> Razor-X, that was an example, I grep'd xine, totem-xine, totem, etc..
[03:15] <Razor-X> Jugan: upgrade to hoary
[03:15] <hybrid> Jugan: apt-cache search libXxf86dga
[03:15] <Razor-X> misfit_toy: just look at ps -e plain then
[03:16] <patrickj> im gonna I already own a legit copy of VMware
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is odd my pentium III 600mhz runs faster than my celeron 1.5ghz O_o
[03:16] <patrickj> I bought it from a commercial software manufacture
[03:16] <misfit_toy> Razor-X, let me try to reproduce it, thanks.
[03:16] <misfit_toy> brb
[03:16] <hybrid> Razor-X: i hear ya
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> GUI's are awsome ^_^
[03:16] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: nice and RAM hogging, no? ;)
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope have 2gigs in here now
[03:16] <hybrid> processor theives
[03:17] <crimsun> hey now, X Window System provides me with lots and lots of xterms
[03:17] <Razor-X> give me a good shell, and a nice emacs, and that's all I need
[03:17] <DonL> Razor-X, I think that's what most people want
[03:17] <Razor-X> although, a barebones X, and Eterm wouldn't hurt ;)
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb changed kernal gotta reboot
[03:17] <hybrid> DonL: it is but cli is so more efficiant
[03:17] <Razor-X> twin is pretty nice too
[03:17] <darkmatter> ChurcH_of_FoamY, I used to have an old PII 400Mhz running SuSE that made my brother's Athalon looklike a C-64:)
[03:18] <hybrid> Razor-X: all you need is a framebuffer browser irssi wget proz and you are good
[03:18] <DonL> hybrid, I would agree, but that's just some people (I agree by the way)
[03:18] <Razor-X> hybrid: xgv for the former, wget yes, other than that, I got erc for IRC
[03:18] <hybrid> DonL: yes cli isnt for n00bies
[03:18] <Razor-X> come on, you use emacs and you don't use erc?
[03:18] <misfit_toy> darkmatter, I used to have an atari 800 that made a C-64 look like a TI
[03:18] <hybrid> irssi pwns
[03:18] <knoppix> Razor-x  ok, reinstall I can do, but QEMU  I don't know, and "double-booting" ???? You mean dual-boot installation?
[03:18] <hybrid> irssi beats all
[03:18] <Razor-X> erc is better, IMO
[03:18] <DonL> hybrid, I'm not a nooby, but I do like the point and shoot stuff sometimes
[03:18] <hybrid> ill never leave irssi
[03:18] <Razor-X> knoppix: that's what double-booting is
[03:19] <darkmatter> misfit_toy, cool...
[03:19] <Razor-X> hybrid: just try erc
[03:19] <Razor-X> I prefer BitchX to irssi anyways
[03:19] <Razor-X> but, that's just me, so *shrugs*
[03:19] <hybrid> DonL: i know but newbies for particuliar dont need cli
[03:19] <Razor-X> erc is totally portable too
[03:19] <hybrid> some ppl like yast and point n klik
[03:19] <Razor-X> hybrid: to the contrary
[03:19] <Razor-X> a newbie means the person hasn't learned
[03:19] <hybrid> Razor-X: yes
[03:19] <Razor-X> if you refuse to learn, then you'll stay a newbie forever
[03:19] <Razor-X> we need a new name for those
[03:19] <hybrid> Razor-X: irssi > one word > tab
[03:20] <vader1102> I am a noob who is in the process of learning lol
[03:20] <hybrid> loseb
[03:20] <Razor-X> loseb?
[03:20] <Jugan> success!!!
[03:20] <Razor-X> hmmm....
[03:20] <Jugan> success!!! hahahaha...finally
[03:20] <hybrid> vader1102: linux is fun
[03:20] <aru> I've been learning for years, and I'm still a noob
[03:20] <DonL> Well,  hybrid , if it were'nt for linux, I probably wouldn't have learned any cli at all. I'm happy for having that happen
[03:20] <Razor-X> slipgnossians?
[03:20] <hybrid> DonL: yes i agree with you.
[03:20] <Razor-X> (pronounced ``slip-no-shiahns'')
[03:20] <vader1102> I agree, right now trying to get paltalk to run in wine and not being successful
[03:20] <hybrid> arch enemy?
[03:21] <Razor-X> (taken from the root ``slipknot'' ;)
[03:21] <hybrid> slipknot sux
[03:21] <Razor-X> exactly
[03:21] <hybrid> tool man
[03:21] <Razor-X> Slayer and Megadeth
[03:21] <hybrid> slipknot is too main stream
[03:21] <Razor-X> and a lot of Power Metal ;)
[03:21] <hybrid> Megadeth
[03:21] <aru> offtopic nerds
[03:21] <hybrid> yes!
[03:21] <patrickj> is there any tools to convert MP3 to Vorbis?
[03:21] <hybrid> lol srry
[03:21] <Razor-X> Slipknot has a 9 member band, _and_ produces crap lyrics, aint that a record?
[03:21] <aru> :)
[03:21] <Razor-X> patrickj: tons
[03:22] <hybrid> Razor-X: meet me in ubuntu-offtopic
[03:22] <Razor-X> LAME is one, IIRC
[03:22] <patrickj> whats best?
[03:22] <Razor-X> hybrid: mmmkay
[03:22] <knoppix> Razor_x  and QEMU ?
[03:22] <patrickj> wait, ill just wait a bit and ask once I install this as  my main OS
[03:22] <DonL> aru, I've been learning for years too, and I find the more I learn the more newbie I feel
[03:22] <aru> exactly :)
[03:22] <ed1t> yoooooo
[03:23] <DonL> It really is a humbling experience
[03:23] <hybrid> ed1t!!!!!!!!!!
[03:23] <ed1t> hybrid!!! hows it going man
[03:24] <hybrid> good you?
[03:24] <knoppix> Razor-X  and QEMU is ??
[03:24] <vader1102> DonL: I have only been working with pc's for 3 years and in that time I have taught myself a lot about Linux and a lot about wondows...even have my A+ and getting my network +
[03:24] <DonL> vader1102, what did you work with before?
[03:25] <vader1102> trucks