[00:02] <Azelphur> anyone got any opinions on this? http://www.boffer.co.uk/
[00:03] <Azelphur> on the surface of it it doesn't look too bad for a £100 tablet o.O
[00:05] <ubuntubhoy> resistive screen, it will drive hyou nuts
[00:05] <ubuntubhoy> you*
[00:05] <Azelphur> ah
[00:09] <ali1234> Processor: ZiiLABS ZMS-08 HD Media-Rich Applications Processor what?
[00:09] <ali1234> Operating System: Android 2.1 fail
[00:09] <Azelphur> righto, fail it is then :P
[00:10] <ali1234> Screen Resolution: 480 x 800 pixels Oh dear, my phone has more pixels than that
[00:10] <Azelphur> tbh I should be trying to get my laptop back off this company that's had it in for repair for the past 3 months -.-
[00:10] <ali1234> still i suppose it's not bad for £100
[00:10] <Azelphur> doesn't look great shopping around you can get a refurb nook color for £110
[00:10] <Azelphur> and it's cm supported with better specs :D
[00:11] <ali1234> tablets are a bit rubbish anyway
[00:11] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:11] <Azelphur> my netbook can be a tablet, if I ever see it again xD
[00:15] <ubuntubhoy> tablets are fine, as long as you remember they aint PC's
[00:16] <ali1234> "tablets are fine as long as you remember they don't really do anything useful"
[00:17] <ali1234> "tablets are fine as long as you remember they are not PCs or netbooks or a kindle or a TV or a phone"
[00:17] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[00:17] <ubuntubhoy> they work ok as Kindles
[00:18] <ali1234> they work OK as any of those things, except maybe the phone part
[00:18] <ubuntubhoy> and the PC part
[07:35] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[08:03] <gordonjcp> morning
[08:03] <gordonjcp> woo, time to leave
[08:10] <daubers> Morning
[08:10] <popey> Morning.
[08:12] <daubers> So Reading now has a hackspace with a space \o/
[08:13] <daubers> (even if the space is in Woodley)
[08:16] <diplo> Morning
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning
[08:27] <dgjones> Morning all
[08:39] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if AlanBell is wake yet...
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/wale/awake
[08:41] <popey> 07:35:43 < AlanBell> morning all
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> arggh
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks popey
[08:41] <popey> np
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was before I had booted up :-)
[08:42]  * AlanBell returns with coffee
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Made the first coffee/tea at 06:15 though :-(
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[08:42] <popey> i was dreaming at 06:15
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did you see my message last night about that little chilli I gave you?
[08:42]  * popey makes more coffee
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> coffee? heathen!
[08:43] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I did, I will be very careful of it
[08:43] <AlanBell> I was a bit scared to begin wiht
[08:43]  * TheOpenSourcerer is already on 3rd cup
[08:43]  * MartijnVdS has very black tea
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was probably, the hottest one I have *ever* had.
[08:46] <AlanBell> what does it take to get a chilli measured?
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> a scoville scale?
[08:47] <popey> a chromatograph?
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromatography "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand." :-)
[08:48] <popey> hah
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: get one of these rigs and you are there! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hplc.JPG
[08:49] <AlanBell> I think perhaps I will stick to the Bombay Torpedos to add to my scrambled eggs :)
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Dorset Naga is claimed to be in this range (855,000–1,463,700)
[08:49] <popey> i had scrambled egg this morning
[08:49] <popey> with salmon
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: Canonical pays well, then?
[08:50] <daubers> popey: Why did you ruin perfectly good eggs?
[08:50] <popey> haha
[08:50] <popey> it was discounted salmon in the co-op ☺
[08:50] <popey> made a sarnie for wifey and brekkie for me
[08:50] <popey> salmon in eggs is nyommy
[08:51] <AlanBell> you can get scrambled eggs with salmon in the Popham Little Chef
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> The *Bangalore* Torpedo is probably in the 30 - 50,000 category ;-)
[08:52]  * AlanBell wonders if ☺☺☺☺ is a bug in the font
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> MY EYES
[08:53] <popey> a bug?
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: Ubuntu Mono + multiple adjacent smiley faces = merged smiley faces
[08:54] <AlanBell> the ☺ glyph is wider than the monospaced space it should be sat in
[08:54] <popey> ah
[08:54] <popey> i am on the mac atm
[08:54] <AlanBell> however I am not sure I want that bug fixed
[08:54] <popey> will switch in 5 mins
[08:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:06] <Laney> it is because it falls back to another font
[09:06] <Laney> which is wider
[09:06] <Laney> afaik
[09:07] <Laney> →☺←
[09:08] <AlanBell> good point Laney, thanks
[09:09] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/862401
[09:09] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 862401 in Ubuntu Font Family "Mono: please add left/right arrows" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:18] <AlanBell> ooh, nottingham happiness tonight
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know a good "cisco engineer"?
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> for hire/rent?
[09:19] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean someone with a CCNA?
[09:19]  * daubers used to be cisco qualified
[09:19] <Laney> AlanBell: you coming?
[09:20] <AlanBell> Laney: sadly not, bit far for me
[09:20] <Laney> :(
[09:21] <AlanBell> tonytiger: o/
[09:22] <daubers> Anybody know where I can get printed mifare cards for a reasonable price?
[09:23] <AlanBell> anyone from the Southampton area here?
[09:27]  * popey points AlanBell at tonytiger
[09:28] <bigcalm> He's grrrrrrreat?
[09:28] <AlanBell> he is :)
[09:28] <bigcalm> This is true
[09:29]  * bigcalm tares himself away from uupc to make some coffee
[09:29] <bigcalm> Oh, good morning peeps :)
[09:37]  * BigRedS ponders making a packaging-related joke at bigcalm
[09:37] <BigRedS> good morning!
[09:41] <bigcalm> BigRedS: you've lost me already. Obviously I need that coffee that is still brewing
[09:41] <bigcalm> And hi :)
[09:43] <BigRedS> haha! G'morning!
[09:43] <BigRedS> Tare weight is the bit of net weight that is packaging
[09:43] <BigRedS> I think
[09:43] <BigRedS> contrived, perhaps. pedantic, definitely
[09:44] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:45] <bigcalm> I should open my calendar more often. Just noticed that my car's MOT expires at the end of the month :(
[09:47] <AlanBell> mine expires on saturday
[09:47] <AlanBell> might go sit in the MOT place with my laptop this afternoon
[09:47] <BigRedS> Oh. My insurance probably expires soon.
[09:47] <BigRedS> Last year I went to the bikelive show on this bike, and that's in a couple of weeks
[09:48] <daubers> BigRedS: I went to that last year!
[09:48] <daubers> BigRedS: Not going this year though :(
[09:49] <BigRedS> daubers: I'm still a maybe for this year
[09:50] <BigRedS> the only day I can go is the mondau, but technically I'm working until 6am that day...
[09:50] <Laney> man, sometimes aptitude can be quite dense
[09:50]  * AlanBell wonders if TheOpenSourcerer wants a nice tasty chicken
[09:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is it dead?
[09:53] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: no, but it will be
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: We are away all this weekend.
[09:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Youth Hostelling for 36 adults & kids"
[09:54] <AlanBell> nice
[09:54] <AlanBell> take them a chicken :)
[09:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:54] <AlanBell> hey kids, this is how you pluck a chicken
[09:54] <bigcalm> AlanBell: has it stopped pooping eggs?
[09:55] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is a boy :(
[09:55] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:55] <AlanBell> boys are noisy and useless
[09:55] <popey> HAH!
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now where have I heard that before???
[09:56] <BigRedS> My mother says things like that :(
[09:56] <popey> we often have boys vs girls at home
[09:56] <popey> given there's 3 of each
[09:56] <BigRedS> Then she acquired stepdaughters and changed her mind :)
[09:56] <popey> Me, Sam & Salem (cat) are the 'cool boys' and Clare, Sophie and Pringle (cat) are the 'smelly girls'
[09:57] <popey> blimey asus transformer is only 434 quid with the keyboard
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> "*only* £434" Spoken like someone who is more used to paying overblown Apple prices ;-)
[10:00] <BigRedS> took me a few seconds to realise he wasn't talking about a power supply
[10:01] <brobostigon> !info udisks-deamon
[10:01] <lubotu3`> Package udisks-deamon does not exist in natty
[10:04] <BigRedS> brobostigon: !info udisks-daemon ?
[10:04] <BigRedS> !info udisks-daemon
[10:04] <lubotu3`> Package udisks-daemon does not exist in natty
[10:04] <BigRedS> oh
[10:04] <AlanBell> popey: are they available to buy yet?
[10:04] <popey> AlanBell: which?
[10:04] <popey> the transformer is, the newer 'transformer prime' isnt
[10:05] <AlanBell> ok
[10:05] <brobostigon> !info udisks
[10:05] <lubotu3`> udisks (source: udisks): storage media interface. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2-4ubuntu2 (natty), package size 209 kB, installed size 1056 kB
[10:05] <KrisDouglas> I <3 my Transformer
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> Robots in disguise?
[10:06] <KrisDouglas> quite so MartijnVdS
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ebuyer have the Transformer for £419.93
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> (Not the quad core)
[10:07] <popey> ooooo
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.ebuyer.com/262116-asus-transformer-tf101-tablet-pc-tf101-1b028a
[10:08] <KrisDouglas> I paid 429 for my Transformer TF101
[10:08] <KrisDouglas> @ PCW
[10:10] <popey> what gives with the circles on keys?
[10:11] <KrisDouglas> what do you mean?
[10:11] <ubuntubhoy> is anyone having issues with Wine in precise ?
[10:11] <popey> on 1, 6 and up and down
[10:11] <popey> they have circles on them
[10:11] <JamesTait> Tippity-top-tastic Thursday, everyone! ;)
[10:11] <KrisDouglas> Not a clue :)
[10:11] <popey> http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P600-0262116-02.jpg
[10:12] <DJones> Maybe its Google Plus ready :)
[10:12] <KrisDouglas> popey, the function key combined with one of those buttons does nothing different than their original function
[10:12] <KrisDouglas> (excluding pgup and pgdown ofc)
[10:19] <Laney> quassel!
[10:19]  * Laney joins in with the quiz
[10:20] <bigcalm> Nobody picked my obscure answer for the Dr. Who question
[10:20] <Laney> s390! mipsel!
[10:25] <popey> oooo local shop has a transformer
[10:26] <Laney> this quiz amuses me
[10:26] <Laney> iain approves
[10:26] <popey> what quiz?
[10:27] <Laney> on the uupc
[10:27] <popey> oh :D
[10:27] <popey> wondered what you were whittering on about then :D
[10:27] <Laney> gutsy gibbon
[10:28] <Dave2> I'd given almost a full list for the Ubuntu codenames and had just forgotten Breezy :(
[10:28] <popey> wish I'd had that question
[10:28] <Laney> do we have the full lists?
[10:28] <popey> i would have said edgy
[10:28] <Laney> seeing what people said would be QI
[10:28] <Dave2> I put edgy.
[10:28] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:28] <Laney> nein, the answers people gave
[10:28] <Dave2> But then I put everything except Breezy.
[10:28] <popey> oh
[10:29] <popey> i bet intrepid wasnt a popular one people said
[10:29] <Dave2> I definitely put down intrepid, for obvious reasons.
[10:29] <Laney> i remember it for its lovely t-shirt
[10:31] <popey> i prefer the bird one
[10:31] <Dave2> Hardy?
[10:31] <popey> ya
[10:31] <popey> i have a few of them
[10:31] <KrisDouglas> My girlfriend always wears the Hardy t-shirt :)
[10:32] <Laney> mine got shredded by the washing machine
[10:32] <Dave2> Could've been dapper.
[10:32] <Laney> but then the missus repaired it by doing a fabric graft
[10:32] <Dave2> (Did they do dapper t-shirts?)
[10:32] <Laney> which means it is now disturbingly tight
[10:33] <KrisDouglas> Laney, lol. It was disturbingly tight on me anyway. Like a swimsuit 8-) Hence girlfriend use
[10:40] <KrisDouglas> I could write a manpage on how to obliterate an IRC channel. Did everyone die?
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy> 10:30 - Tea break
[10:44] <kirrus> 10:45 Talk about junk break
[10:51] <ubuntubhoy> close, 10:45 - nip out for a piss and a fag skive
[10:53] <czajkowski> directhex: I love how your blog feed is down for one of the feeds I've to watch!
[10:53] <czajkowski> at work
[10:54] <directhex> o_o
[10:54] <czajkowski> directhex: I work at h-online.com
[10:54] <czajkowski> your blog is under one of the feeds we watch
[10:55] <popey> is it filed under 'epic mono troll' ?
[10:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:55] <directhex> i suspect that's from chats on twitter with codepope
[10:55] <czajkowski> popey: I'm shocked yours isnt
[10:55] <czajkowski> I may need to fix that
[10:55] <czajkowski> :p
[10:56] <popey> i wouldn't bother
[10:56] <popey> i dont blog interesting stuff tbh
[10:56] <popey> that might change in the future
[10:56] <popey> :D
[11:00] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:00] <czajkowski> so in todays feeds so far all I can see is linux mint bumping ubuntu off the top spot
[11:01] <czajkowski> and fedora 16 still
[11:04] <bigcalm> The WC is getting out of hand :)
[11:04] <popey> yeah
[11:05] <czajkowski> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8879705/The-voice-behind-Siri-breaks-his-silence.html  found this one interesting
[11:09] <davmor2> morning all czajkowski prod
[11:09] <daubers> identi.ca must be playing in the big leagues now! I've just had my first spam follower
[11:10]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2
[11:11]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski repeatedly in the same spot
[11:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: look you did that last week and I had a brusise on my arm
[11:12] <czajkowski> though to be fair you really freaked some folks up by walking up to me and ppking my arm
[11:12] <czajkowski> very odd looks indeed
[11:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: hehehe
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'd say you bruised me when you hit me with the noise you're knuckles made but errmmm you didn't sorry :)
[11:26] <czajkowski> charming
[11:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: well you know these things happen
[11:29] <davmor2> gord: you about dude?
[11:29]  * Dave2 raises an eyebrow.
[12:31] <Lantizia> Ubuntu LPIC Exam 199 - anyone know if it is still going or not?
[13:14] <popey> AlanBell: now I'm working from home I'm thinking of looking for a wokspace outside home so I can get a day away from the house. interested in looking for one?
[13:15] <AlanBell> funnily enough I was going to suggest something of the kind, like the wolves crowd are doing
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bizarre. I also was pondering the same.
[13:18] <KrisDouglas> I couldn't work from home, 2meg broadband vs 44meg broadband.
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I would actually quite like a proper "office"
[13:19] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://coworkingspace.info/
[13:21] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell popey http://wiki.coworking.info/w/page/16583718/CoworkingSurrey
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha - I know the first name on that list!
[13:22] <AlanBell> interesting
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Maltings has some (AIUI) low-cost rooms for this.
[13:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Roger Goscomb offered us use of some of their space in Frensham if we needed it...
[13:25] <popey> are you guys in FSB?
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> No.
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> SCC though
[13:26] <popey> FSB let you use Regus communal areas for nothing
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not quite what I had in mind.
[13:26] <popey> yeah
[13:27] <popey> useful for adhoc stuff
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then so is Starbuck ;-)
[13:27] <popey> true
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> \s
[13:27] <popey> free tea/coffee at Regus :D
[13:27] <popey> unlike Starbucks
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> True
[13:28] <bigcalm> popey: I have suggested the workplace day davmor2 and I will be attended next week
[13:29] <bigcalm> Apart from myself, it appears to be mostly Canonical people anyway
[13:29] <popey> bit far for us ☺
[13:29] <bigcalm> Pfft :P
[13:30] <bigcalm> Only 150 miles
[13:30] <bigcalm> :D
[13:30] <davmor2> haha
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: shame on you where's your dedication dude 3 hours of train rides is a light commute for you dude ;)
[13:31] <popey> who was it here who has a transformer?
[13:31] <popey> kirrus: ?
[13:31] <popey> ah, KrisDouglas
[13:31] <popey> KrisDouglas: whats the first 3 digits of the serial number on yours?
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> popey, the transformer?
[13:32] <popey> yes
[13:32] <popey> not the keyboard, the device itself
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> sadly it's an unrootable B70 class
[13:32]  * kirrus waves hello, bye bye, and goes back to lurking
[13:32] <popey> and how long ago did you get it
[13:32] <popey> bummer
[13:32] <popey> B60 is the rootable one isnt it?
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> B70KAS215707
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> Some B70's are
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> you see mine is KAS21
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> some of them (CAS14) use the old SBK to encrypt the bootloader
[13:33] <KrisDouglas> sorry nvflash, not bootloader
[13:33] <popey> hmm
[13:34] <KrisDouglas> I am just past the bracket for a rootable one and I bought this about 3 months back
[13:34] <KrisDouglas> I would give a much loved body part for a rootable one :)
[13:35] <KrisDouglas> I will just patiently wait for them to leak the new SBK however.
[13:36] <czajkowski> I should start to take bets on snow and my flight home for xmas!
[13:37] <ubuntubhoy> is anyone else having trouble with Wine 1.3 in either 11.10 or 12.04 ?
[13:37] <bigcalm> Whatever ships with 11.10 broke SQLyog for me :(
[13:38] <bigcalm> Might get around to pinning an old version
[13:38] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, It seems to be working well for me, better than the previous person to be honest. What problem are you experiencing?
[13:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: just book the train and ferry and save the heart ache
[13:52] <awilkins> Buffet restaurant lunches : an exercise in gluttony AND disappointment
[13:54] <popey> I don't miss thursday at my last place of work
[13:54] <popey> "Disappointing curry day"
[13:54] <bigcalm> It's Thursday?
[13:54] <bigcalm> Gah, I'm missing another day
[13:54] <awilkins> It is.
[13:54] <ubuntubhoy> KrisDouglas, cant get kindle to install, or previous install to start
[13:55] <bigcalm> popey: got a moment to test something for me please? :)
[13:55] <popey> ya
[13:56] <bigcalm> Yay
[14:03] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, do you run any other apps under wine?
[14:03] <czajkowski> yay for 4 day weeks :)
[14:04] <KrisDouglas> if you don't we could try resetting the bottle
[14:04] <KrisDouglas> sorry about the delayed response
[14:04] <ubuntubhoy> NP
[14:04] <ubuntubhoy> no, nothing else
[14:05] <KrisDouglas> Righto, open winetricks
[14:06] <KrisDouglas> select use default prefix, and then delete all data and applications
[14:06] <KrisDouglas> then close and try re-installing
[14:08] <ubuntubhoy> no joy - same result
[14:10] <KrisDouglas> let me try, one sec
[14:11] <KrisDouglas> I presume it has worked before, I'm sure i know someone else who uses it
[14:11] <ubuntubhoy> yeah
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> iirc it wont work with the latest Kindle app
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6297429/KindleForPC-installer.exe
[14:12] <ubuntubhoy> thats an older one I have used a load of times before
[14:12] <davmor2> ubuntubhoy: if it is that you just want to  read your kindle books you can install chromium and the kindle web app and read it from the browser
[14:12] <KrisDouglas> Yeah, the installer doesn't even load from the one that's on the amazon website
[14:13] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, smart arse :)
[14:13] <ubuntubhoy> davmor2, not keen on the web app
[14:13] <ubuntubhoy> and cabalt is it, is a little cluttered
[14:14] <davmor2> ubuntubhoy: No it's the official Amazon Kindle chrome application
[14:14] <ubuntubhoy> yeah
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> not cabalt, calibre
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> nice app, but too cluttered
[14:15] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, I can't even get the installer you linked to load ;)
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> davmor2, using it on a touchscreen
[14:15] <KrisDouglas> ubuntubhoy, buy a kindle? :)
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> KrisDouglas, worse than me then
[14:15] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[14:16] <KrisDouglas> Yeah, everything else works
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> K
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> cheers anyway
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> will see if I can find a wine 1.3 thats a little older somewhere
[14:16] <ubuntubhoy> think its wine rather than Ubuntu
[14:16] <KrisDouglas> might be something I'm missing but i'm certain I have windows installer setup
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> if I had more time I would try running it from the command line and seeing what messages it was dumping
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> dont fret on it, was just checking if it was me or not
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> possibly, I am on the PPA latest version, so you and I may be experiencing similar issues
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> yeah, if your 1.3 you should be ppa
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> 1.2 is the standard repo version
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> but it wont work with 1.2
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> that said its not working with 1.4 now either
[14:18] <ubuntubhoy> 1.3*
[15:00] <bastubis> I just read that Adobe are abandoning AIR for Linux so does this mean users won't be able to run Acroread any moer?
[15:01] <AlanBell> that is unrelated
[15:01] <bastubis> It doesn't run on AIR?
[15:05] <AlanBell> not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong
[15:05] <AlanBell> thought it was just a native application
[15:05] <AlanBell> BBC iPlayer is an air thing
[15:05] <brobostigon> i agree with alanbell, acrobat doesnt use air on linux,
[15:09] <ali1234> acroread is ancient
[15:09] <Dave2> Does anyone actually use acroread on Linux though?
[15:09] <bastubis> Yes, voluntary sector organisations
[15:09] <bastubis> it's crucial for them
[15:10] <AlanBell> why?
[15:10] <bastubis> all their funding applications have to be made on interactive pdf forms
[15:10] <bastubis> evince effs them up
[15:10] <bastubis> it's a deal breaker for them
[15:10] <AlanBell> ok, interesting
[15:10] <bastubis> if they can't use acroread they'll have to stop using linux
[15:10] <ali1234> have you reported it as a bug?
[15:10] <bastubis> it's not a bug
[15:10] <AlanBell> is there a bug against evince for this?
[15:10] <ali1234> yes it is
[15:11] <bastubis> oh, sorry - evince lol
[15:12] <ali1234> with examples would be helpful too... are the forms publicly available?
[15:12] <AlanBell> I installed acroread once on ubuntu and it is horrible and slow, so I use evince, never had any issue with it , but I don't come across interactive PDF files
[15:12] <ali1234> they've always been a problem
[15:13] <bastubis> they're unuseable
[15:13] <bastubis> you can fill in a pdf and print it (sort of, though this isn't very good either)
[15:13] <bastubis> but if you try to save them, they corrupt
[15:13] <bastubis> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480668
[15:14] <lubotu3`> Gnome bug 480668 in PDF "save user input in pdf fillable forms" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[15:14] <bastubis> and people running Windows can't open the file
[15:14] <bastubis> I couldn't open it again on Ubuntu either
[15:15] <bastubis> I just install acroread for them - as far as I know it runs on AIR
[15:15] <bastubis> I use it myself for funding applications
[15:15] <AlanBell> either way, the current version of acroread will still work
[15:15] <AlanBell> don't know if they are ever going to release any updates to it
[15:15] <bastubis> yes, but eventually it'll become incompatible with current systems
[15:15] <bastubis> surely?
[15:16] <bastubis> they said they're not going to develop it anymore
[15:16] <AlanBell> no, not really
[15:16] <bastubis> so it'll stay in the partner repos?
[15:16] <AlanBell> don't see why not
[15:17] <AlanBell> might not go into new partner repos, but you should be able to grab the .deb file from the older ones if it doesn't
[15:17] <AlanBell> and file bugs against evince if there are forms it doesn't work with
[15:18] <brobostigon> ok, in debian sid, under non-free repo, acroread has no depend on adobe air. so can be installed and ran without adobe air. conclusive.
[15:18] <bastubis> apparently americans also use it for their tax forms: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/518230
[15:18] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 518230 in evince (Ubuntu) "Some PDF forms don't save entered information" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:18] <bastubis> ah, that's a relief then
[15:18] <Twinkletoes> Troubles with vim syntax, I'm trying to sort a range of lines. I've marked a and b (and verified using :marks), and am using the command:  ma,mbsort    but I'm getting an error "E488 Trailing Characters".
[15:19] <bastubis> Evince pretty much doesn't work with *any* forms - I can't file a bug every time lol
[15:19] <AlanBell> "Running the original pdf through either pdfopt or pdfedit's delinearize
[15:19] <AlanBell> function creates a form that can be correctly saved, at least in this
[15:19] <ali1234> you don't need to
[15:20] <bastubis> yeah but a bunch of VCS organisations aren't going to do that
[15:20] <AlanBell> no, but it is an interesting suggestion which indicates that the problem might be solveable
[15:21] <AlanBell> sounds to me like the source forms don't conform to the standard
[15:21] <bastubis> yes, looks that way
[15:21] <AlanBell> but acrobat is incorrectly working fine with them
[15:21] <bastubis> but you can't control what the US tax office - or UK funders - do with their forms
[15:21] <AlanBell> so evince needs to reproduce the bug in acrobat that make it work fine
[15:21] <bastubis> it has to work with whatever messed up rubbish such agencies choose to foist on us
[15:22] <AlanBell> indeed
[15:22] <ali1234> the bug is probably in the standard
[15:22] <AlanBell> either way, report bugs give them an example of a form that doesn't work
[15:23] <bastubis> I think they'd want to kill me after a couple of weeks lol
[15:23] <bastubis> very few forms *do* work
[15:23] <bastubis> In fact, I never met any one form that did
[15:23]  * AlanBell has never come across any forms
[15:23] <popey> i have
[15:23] <popey> HMRC have some
[15:23] <popey> i usually print them
[15:24] <bastubis> My accountant copes with the tax, but she uses Windows
[15:24] <bastubis> god popey - try filling in a funder form with a biro lol
[15:24] <AlanBell> I think I may have come across an HMRC form that I had to fill out on screen and then print and sign
[15:24] <bastubis> they're 20 pages or worse
[15:25] <bastubis> Funders send you massive, bureaucratic forms 20-40 pages long
[15:25] <bastubis> when printed, they're about 3 inches thick
[15:25] <AlanBell> there was no saving of it and it seemed to work fine in evince, don't think I have ever saved a form
[15:25] <bastubis> You have to fill in mountains of detailed crap
[15:25] <bastubis> and then email the result
[15:25] <bastubis> It usually takes several days to fill them in, and you need to save constantly or you lose your wwork
[15:26] <bastubis> then you have to print two copies, email one and mail one, with one for your files
[15:26] <bastubis> so you know what you said to them
[15:26] <DJones> When I'm forward buying foreign currency, the bank faxes a document to confirm, which I can then either fax or post back to them, or scan & email.  Why don't they just email it to me in the first place
[15:26] <bastubis> It's so complicated that if it doesn't save properly, you've lost days of work
[15:27] <DJones> At no point does anybody have to sign what they send through, I literaly just send exactly what they send me, back unchanged
[15:27] <bastubis> I have the same problem with my bank, have to print it out, sign it, scan it, email it back
[15:55] <KrisDouglas> Fax to email :)
[16:24] <KrisDouglas> I think i have a virus, I keep killing ubuntu UK
[16:25] <DJones> Heh
[16:26] <DJones> Probably so many people were at UDS recently, they're still writing up their notes from then & deciding who's going to do what
[16:30] <Myrtti>  i think i locked myself out :-(
[16:30] <Myrtti> boo
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> DJones, maybe.
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> Myrtti, of Ubuntu or your house?
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> I can probably solve the former but the latter is a touchy subject :)
[16:32] <Myrtti> my aoartment
[16:32] <KrisDouglas> oh.
[16:33] <KrisDouglas> well it's not all bad news, how much battery do you have remaining?
[16:33] <Myrtti> latter is a touchy subject for a Finnish Tarzan
[16:34] <Myrtti> enough to go to my sisters by bus, was going anyway but may have forgotten to pack my keys
[16:35] <Myrtti> among other things
[16:35] <KrisDouglas> well you don't have to commit suicide just yet if you still have battery
[16:35] <KrisDouglas> now is your chance to use the power of google to become a locksmith
[16:36] <Myrtti> haha no
[16:36] <Myrtti> two Abloy executive standard locks
[16:36] <Myrtti> cant pick them
[16:37] <Myrtti> Ill just return with a spare key, my sister has one
[16:38] <Myrtti> if I werent going to hers, I'd call the maintenance guys, they have a master key
[16:39] <Myrtti> also bill 30-60e for it
[16:41] <bigcalm> So glad I didn't bother adding 1-2 day shipping onto my Amazon order and went with the free 3-5 day option. Email from Amazon saying the item I ordered last night has just been shipped this afternoon
[16:41] <bigcalm> Must be a slow day for them
[16:42] <gord> <3 amazon prime
[16:42] <bigcalm> I don't order enough to be able to make use of prime
[16:43] <bigcalm> gord: are you joining us for the work place day next week?
[16:43] <gord> should do, weather permitting - if its freezing cold and pouring down, maybe not ;)
[16:44] <bigcalm> Ah, sweet
[16:44] <bigcalm> You can offset davmor2's crazyness ;)
[16:44] <bigcalm> I think mrevell is joining us as well
[16:44] <bigcalm> That's 4, any more?
[16:44]  * bigcalm pokes aquarius
[16:45] <mrevell> bigcalm, I aim to. drussell may want to as well.
[16:45] <bigcalm> mrevell: yay. Though I'm not sure if I've seen drussell talk before
[16:45] <mrevell> There are some other people knocking around our area from Canonical who I might prod.
[16:46] <bigcalm> Yeah, I'm feeling a little out of place not working for Canonical :P
[16:46]  * aquarius is poked
[16:46] <aquarius> what about?
[16:46] <bigcalm> aquarius: work place day at the Lighthouse next Thursday
[16:47] <bigcalm> (17th)
[16:47] <aquarius> ah, right. Don't know at the moment
[16:47] <bigcalm> Which isn't a flat out 'no', good enough for now :)
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm not cra-tic-zy
[16:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: keep telling yourself that. Shall we call you Darling?
[16:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm more worried about you calling me darling :/
[17:00] <ali1234> is anyone going to the happy hour?
[17:00] <ali1234> it's tonight right?
[17:00] <popey> yes
[17:01] <bigcalm> Not in my location
[17:01] <ali1234> popey: are you really "might be attending"?
[17:01] <ali1234> isn't it a bit far from you?
[17:01] <popey> 17:00:51 < ali1234> it's tonight right?
[17:01] <popey> 17:00:56 < popey> yes
[17:01] <popey> ☺
[17:01] <bigcalm> He's a bugger for that
[17:01] <ali1234> popey: yeah but... on the page it says you "might be attending"
[17:02] <popey> oh i see
[17:02] <bigcalm> Best to check what popey is actually answering to :P
[17:02]  * popey fix0r3s that
[17:02] <ali1234> that page is really hard to find btw
[17:02] <popey> fix0r3d
[17:02] <popey> yes, it is
[17:03] <popey> well, i went loco.ubuntu.com -> click europe -> click uk -> click event
[17:03] <Laney> what page?
[17:03] <popey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1373/detail/
[17:03] <Laney> ta
[17:03] <ali1234> i have to find it by going to the uuk mailing list and finding the post where it is linked
[17:03] <popey> i tried to argue that it should be /teamname/eventname/ or /teamname/yy/mm/dd/event or something
[17:03] <ali1234> if i go to the happy hour main page, it isn't linked
[17:03] <popey> but the loco directory guys are somewhat resistant to removing those numbers in the middle
[17:03] <ali1234> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ <- this one
[17:04] <ali1234> that one is easy to find
[17:04] <ali1234> but it doesn't link to the event pages
[17:04] <popey> well thats silly
[17:04] <popey> the ones above link right
[17:04] <ali1234> the ones above?
[17:04] <drussell> mrevell: :oD hehe yeah I'm hoping to also...
[17:04] <ali1234> the thing is if you google "ubuntu happy hour" you get that listing page i just linked, and you can't get from there to the individual event pages
[17:05] <popey> fixed
[17:05] <ali1234> also did you know that the "ubuntu-uk" in the event url is meaningless? only the number does anything, you can put any valid loco or possibly any string in place of "ubuntu-uk" and you still get the event, eg http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/balhbalh/1373/detail/
[17:06] <popey> haha
[17:06] <ali1234> i found this because i was trying to find it starting at the 1277 (everyone knows 1277 right) by incrementing the number
[17:06] <popey> thats probably why they dont want the url monkeyed with
[17:06] <ali1234> and i got all other loco events
[17:07] <aquarius> popey, did you ever experiment with software audio transcription for uupc?
[17:07] <ali1234> so anyone from IRC going to this thing? or is it all mailing list people?
[17:07] <aquarius> specifically: if you did, what did you use? :)
[17:07] <Laney> i am going
[17:07] <Laney> as is moodoo
[17:08] <ali1234> k. i'll see you there then :)
[17:10] <Laney> i should find my uds badge so that i look cool
[17:10] <ali1234> i should shave so i don't look like a hobo
[17:11] <popey> aquarius: software to aid people doing transcriptions?
[17:11] <popey> aquarius: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PodcastTranscription
[17:11] <aquarius> no. speech recognition software to *do* the transcription :)
[17:12] <popey> no
[17:13] <aquarius> cool, just wondered :)
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> Siri, transcribe the podcast for me
[17:19] <popey> i had a chat with siri earlier
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: And?
[17:19] <popey> the way he says "okay" is quite odd
[17:19] <popey> it kinda tails off
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> Okaaayy...
[17:20] <popey> yeah
[17:20] <popey> uh-kaaay
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> must be something 'merkin
[17:22]  * MartijnVdS runs off to see how his standard lap looks in the dark
[17:40] <kaushal> Hi
[17:40] <kaushal> Can someone please guide me about http://iwatch.sourceforge.net/index.html
[17:41] <kaushal> I have installed and its up and running in daemon mode
[17:41] <kaushal> I have tested it by editing /etc/motd file
[17:41] <kaushal> i did not get a email alert after editing it
[17:41] <kaushal> Am i missing something
[17:42] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/734425/
[17:43] <bigcalm> kaushal: can you send email from that machine?
[17:45] <kaushal> bigcalm: yes
[17:46] <DaveBugs> Evening
[17:46] <DaveBugs> Anyone heading to the Nottingham Happy Hour tonight?
[17:49] <popey> i suspect some are, yes ☺
[17:53] <DaveBugs> Popey: Does that include you now? :-)
[17:53] <popey> nope
[17:54] <DaveBugs> Woohoo!
[17:54] <DaveBugs> I mean, too bad.
[17:55] <popey> hah
[17:55]  * TheOpenSourcerer wants to go out for a beer this evening but it's Parent's evening at the school. :-(
[17:56] <Hux18> ~emaker
[17:56] <Hux18> #emaker
[17:57] <popey> heh, i had my parents evening last night
[17:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> All good?
[17:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife was out last night with her mates.
[17:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are both out tomorrow - so no pub for me :-(
[17:59] <popey> yeah, all good
[18:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> tea time :-)
[18:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> bbl
[18:01]  * bigcalm wonders where his Hayley is
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: stuck in traffic

[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Buying you an early christmas present

[18:05] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'll go with the latter please
[18:40] <DaveBugs> At The Roundhouse... Rather early.
[18:40] <ali1234> i'm just setting off
[18:41] <ali123456> testing irc works on my phone
[18:45] <popey> heh
[18:46] <AlanBell> ali123456: it does \o/
[18:46] <DaveBugs> ali123456: see you in a bit
[18:47] <shauno> oauth can die in fire :(
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what alternative do you propose
[18:48] <shauno> a thousand papercuts might be a suitable alternate death.  fire seems simpler though
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> no I mean alternative to oauth
[19:00] <DaveBugs> LOL
[19:03] <shauno> I'm trying to do a single-user command-line app to a web service.  a simple shared secret would suffice
[19:03] <DaveBugs> C'mon, it's 19:02... Where is everyone?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:07] <DaveBugs> It's not very Ubuntu-y here at the moment.
[19:08] <DaveBugs> Just me and my beer.
[19:08]  * gordonjcp is about to go out for a drive
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Beer
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> DaveBugs: you have great ideas
[19:10] <DaveBugs> Yes, yes I do.
[19:10] <gordonjcp> not for me right now
[19:11] <shauno> I rarely get any more entertaining than this, unfortunately
[19:11] <shauno> there's something about waking up at 4:30am which inflicts all the personality of a zombie :(
[19:11] <DaveBugs> shauno: try beer.
[19:11] <shauno> that'd currently lead to a grape vs grain conflict
[19:11] <mgdm> gordonjcp: anywhere fun?
[19:11] <bigcalm> Do zombies like beer?
[19:12] <DaveBugs> shauno: ouch, you don't want that.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I have some beer my brothers made
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:12] <shauno> bigcalm: I hope so, because it's about all ireland has when The Day comes
[19:12] <Darael> bigcalm: They like that Welsh beverage, at least.
[19:12] <DaveBugs> Why didn't I bring a USB cable :-(
[19:13] <shauno> MartijnVdS: by 'my brothers', I'm chosing to believe you keep a small commune of trappist monks imprisoned in your basement for this very purpose :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: You may choose to believe that :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Except I don't have the basement
[19:14] <Darael> shauno: Bear in mind that he /would/ deny it.
[19:14] <shauno> interesting.  I've never tried keeping monks anywhere else
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I would?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I need my dungeons for other things
[19:15] <shauno> of course.  a dutchman with belgian beer?  the scandal would reach the tabloids
[19:15] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Most people would.  They wouldn't want anyone stealing the monks.
[19:15] <Darael> That, too.
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: there's an official Trappist brewery near Tilburg in the Netherlands
[19:15] <shauno> heh, good save
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they were in the news yesterday, they need to get more tanks because of increased demand
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://www.latrappe.nl
[19:17] <shauno> surely there's cheaper methods of crowd control.  tanks seem a tad OTT for monks
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's _beer_ we're talking about
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: isn't that also what the London riots were about earlier?>
[19:17] <shauno> no idea, I didn't think to ask
[19:18] <gordonjcp> mgdm: nah, just dropping off and picking up bits of junk
[19:18] <mgdm> gordonjcp: ah
[19:18] <shauno> I haven't lived in the UK for a *long* time.  ever since I discovered KFC were the only people willing to even offer me an interview
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Why's that?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> shauno: criminal record?
[19:19] <shauno> because I lived in a blackhole that was built around ironworks and shipbuilding.  neither of which are exactly growth industries anymore
[19:20] <gordonjcp> shauno: where do you live now?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> a cardboard box?
[19:20] <shauno> currently, ireland
[19:21] <shauno> I tried the states but they're a bit .. I'm not sure of a polite way to describe it
[19:21] <mgdm> A bit too much like the US?
[19:21] <mgdm> :)
[19:21] <shauno> polarizing, I guess.  it's either really works for you, or it really doesn't
[19:23] <DaveBugs> Marmite.
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[19:23] <popey> \o/
[19:23] <DaveBugs> LOL
[19:23] <shauno> I have to say ireland's working out a charm, however.  they're similar enough to $HOME to be comfortable, but different enough to be worth the move
[19:23] <DaveBugs> Hehe
[19:24] <shauno> DaveBugs: that's a perfect analogy.  the US is marmite.
[19:24] <gord> i don't have a drivers licence, if i tried to live in the states i'd die of starvation within weeks.
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: nah in big cities you don't need a car unless you live in the 'burbs
[19:24] <gordonjcp> gord: I do have a driving licence, but if I tried to live in the states I'd die of boredom on their roads
[19:24] <shauno> I don't either.  Cycling in michigan winters is a very peculiar skill
[19:25] <gordonjcp> miles and miles and miles of perfectly straight road, with a 55mph speed limit, and cars that can't actually stop or go round corners and struggle to manage the speed limit anyway
[19:25]  * czajkowski hugs gord
[19:25] <popey> I had a nice hire car at UDS
[19:25] <popey> scared sladen a bit with it :D
[19:25] <czajkowski> you did indeed
[19:25] <smittix> does anyone know how to change the window font size in 11.10? gnome tweak tool doesnt seem to want to change that.
[19:25] <smittix> every other font it changes fine.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: one of those monster SUVs?
[19:26] <smittix> popey: sladen as in paul sladen?
[19:26] <shauno> I bought a 1974 mini.  which was all very well, but I had to actively search for roads with enough corners to make it worth it.  luckily michigan is blessed with a couple of coastlines
[19:26] <czajkowski> smittix: aye
[19:26] <smittix> heh went to school with him.
[19:26]  * MartijnVdS sticks to his Smart
[19:26]  * smittix has a Zafira
[19:27] <gordonjcp> I need to decide whether I'm keeping or selling the Citroën
[19:27] <shauno> I want another mini here, but they've so many guards that I've a feeling I'll need a license this time
[19:27] <gordonjcp> I haven't driven it this year
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gord: Citroen what?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp:
[19:27] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: CX 22TRS
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> tab error :)
[19:27] <czajkowski> smittix: really, he's a really good guy
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: ah oldie?
[19:27] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I've got an '81 CX Reflex stored in my mate's yard, too
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I have a '02 ForTwo
[19:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I have a Mercedes van for work, so I tend to not use the car so much
[19:28] <smittix> czajkowski: aye, nice bloke indeed.
[19:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: don't know if you were at Oggcamp but that's what I went there in
[19:28] <shauno> gordonjcp: that sounds like the best way to do it.  that way, you can get the silly impractical car that's actually fun
[19:29] <gordonjcp> diesel for half the trip was, uh, sponsored by my fuel card
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I wasn't, but I'll try to be at a future Oggcamp if there is one
[19:29] <popey> smittix: yes
[19:29] <DaveBugs> I wanted a For Four, but them they stooped making them.
[19:29] <DaveBugs> Stopped
[19:30] <popey> I got a Chevy Impala I think it was
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Someone is here!!
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> DaveBugs: they may have stooped as well ;)
[19:30] <gordonjcp> DaveBugs: I quite liked the sound of the Brabus Smart Fortwo
[19:30] <DaveBugs> \I/O
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Bloody stockinette
[19:30] <gordonjcp> DaveBugs: with the custom-made V6 engine made of two normal Smart engines welded together
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Autocomplete
[19:30] <DaveBugs> Gah
[19:31] <shauno> I drove the missus' chevvy for a while.  absolutely terrifying
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: scary
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: one Smart engine in a Smart is scary enough already
[19:31] <DaveBugs> Hehe
[19:32] <shauno> I've only driven on the interstate once.  I've only fallen asleep on the interstate once.  and I've only woken up on the interstate once.  cruise control is *not* a feature, it's a WONTFIX.
[19:32] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: ye
[19:32] <smittix> Surprised sladen doesn't lurk in here.
[19:32] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: bet it sounds amazing
[19:32] <popey> he does sometimes
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: it's a normal "cheap end of the spectrum" model
[19:33] <smittix> Small world
[19:33] <gordonjcp> right all you south of england people
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm always surprised at how large it is on the inside
[19:33] <smittix> Does he still have long hair? Haven't seen him in ages.
[19:33] <gordonjcp> what would be the pros and cons of travelling to France via Folkestone or Dover?
[19:34] <popey> smittix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxZplO4XPpE
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Felixstowe/Harwich <-> Hook of Holland
[19:34] <smittix> popey: LOL
[19:34] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: that's less handy for going to Switzerland
[19:34] <smittix> He hasn't changed
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Though car + train + tunnel is cheaper (because you pay for the car, not for separate passengers, as on a boat)
[19:35] <popey> ☺
[19:35] <shauno> I really should try to see more of holland sometime.  iceland is currently top of my hitlist tho
[19:35] <shauno> popey: what on earth was that? it set irssi's text entry to inverse video
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's a smiley face. you might need to fix your utf8s
[19:36] <shauno> bah
[19:36] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: ah, good point, I was only looking at ferries
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: also, you might need to adjust your headlights on this side of the water
[19:36] <shauno> tmux appears to be turning utf8 into breakfast cereal.  everything else in the chain appears to be well-behaved
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: (so we don't get blinded by them)
[19:36] <smittix> popey: ?
[19:37] <matti> :)
[19:37] <popey> tmux huh.. byobu is switching from GNU Screen to tmux
[19:37] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: there's a button for that
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: only for up/down, not for left/right
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: at least on the cars I've seen
[19:37] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: nope, it's got left-right too
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: ooh shiny
[19:38] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it's a nice bit of design
[19:38] <shauno> tmux is actively maintained and has a much smaller memory footprint.  past that, I bear no allegiances
[19:38] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I may be picking up an old VW T4, and I know I can get LHD headlamps for that quite cheaply
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm going to have to ask around on how it works on my Smart
[19:40] <shauno> amazon sent me an invitiation to a 'trial' of amazon prime, then don't let me sign up for it because I'm not in .co.uk.  fail.
[19:40] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: oh wow, the eurotunnel is like half the price
[19:40] <gordonjcp> now I just need 500 quid's worth of diesel
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: maybe it's cheaper in France?
[19:41] <shauno> oh, completely random.  I had a job interview today.  they specified linux experience.  the complete extent of the linux-relevant questions, were "what does the kernel do"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> fial
[19:42] <shauno> this made me a sad puppy.  I like it when the interview is a challenge between my experience vs the interviewer's experience.  not high-level dross
[19:46] <shauno> I really need to figure out when it's acceptable to ask the interviewer to stop pussy-footing around and raise the bar
[19:46] <smittix> Heh Kevin Mitnick has just emailed me and confirms he uses Ubuntu
[19:47] <smittix> how awesome is that.
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mghhLqu31cQ#
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> ^ for all you people who live on the internets
[19:51] <shauno> I don't .. dmanit .. I do, don't I
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> shauno: just click the link
[19:52] <shauno> I had to turn it off.  It was spoiling my musics.
[20:00] <mgdm> The guy on the bass looks like Sheldon out of Big Bang Theory
[20:22] <mgdm> I might be wrong, but I could've sworn that a while back, I could do `apt-get install name-of-a-local-package-file.deb` and it would install the .deb file I pointed it at, but get it to resolve the dependencies using the normal way
[20:23] <mgdm> Is this something that was ever possible?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> no?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -i + apt-get -f install works for me most of the time
[20:23] <mgdm> Hmmm. Maybe it's a yum thing :)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> and there's gdebi
[20:23] <popey> yay gdebi
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: scary man
[20:30] <shauno> I've never used apt like that.  apt doesn't install packages, it just finds them for dpkg
[20:30] <mgdm> There is a package manager somewhere that can do that - I suspect it's either yum or perhaps up2date
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> autopackage
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> *runs*
[20:32] <shauno> yum I'm unfamiliar with; I haven't used RH since it came bundled with Unleashed books
[20:34] <shauno> or the other way around; I haven't touched an rpm-based system since debian 2.2r2
[20:36] <Oli> Huzzah!
[20:37] <smittix> I like it how i can do yum install nautilus-* and it will install everything. can you do that with apt?
[20:37] <Azelphur> smittix: yes
[20:38] <smittix> same way? apt-get install nautilus-*
[20:38] <smittix> ?
[20:38] <Azelphur> yep
[20:39] <shauno> Note, selecting tortoisehg-nautilus for regex ‘nautilus-*’
[20:39] <shauno> etc
[20:45] <Oli> smittix: I'm not sure I'd recommend blindly installing things - not all packages are awesome.
[20:46] <AlanBell> team meeting in 10 minutes or so
[20:46] <daubers> Oooh
[20:46] <AlanBell> DaveBug: Laney: are you in a pub?
[20:46] <daubers> That was good timing then
[20:46] <daubers> Also, evening :)
[21:02] <AlanBell> okies, everyone got beer/wine/coffee/tea ready for a meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting very shortly?
[21:03]  * bigcalm nips to the loo
[21:32] <AlanBell> anyone want to go to a happy hour in early December?
[21:43] <christel> yes
[21:43] <christel> \o/
[21:43] <christel> not the 3rd mind, as that's the freenode staff christmas do
[21:43] <christel> also, sorry, i was scrolled up so i missed the topic change!
[22:22] <AlanBell> Christmas meal -> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> all alone :-(
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> not very festive
[22:24] <AlanBell> thats me
[22:24] <ubuntubhoy> remember to take a mirror, just in case you get lonely
[22:24] <funkyHat> hoho
[22:24] <AlanBell> won't help, it is in total darkness
[22:24] <funkyHat> It sounds rather interesting
[22:25] <ubuntubhoy> thats easy then, take a dinner party recording and join in
[22:28] <mattt> dans le noir?  odd :/
[22:31] <daftykins> meals served by blind staff
[22:31] <daftykins> don't wear anything you like...
[22:31] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I want to register for the event though I don't know at this point if Hayley can come or not
[22:31] <bigcalm> Should I put it down as 0 or 1 guest?
[22:31] <AlanBell> bigcalm: sure, you can change your number of guests so don't worry too much
[22:32] <bigcalm> daftykins: that's a little mean
[22:32] <AlanBell> I hope she can come, it will be fun!
[22:32] <bigcalm> That's what I'm thinking :D
[22:32] <AlanBell> daftykins: the blind staff won't have a problem, you will though
[22:32] <bigcalm> There we go
[22:32] <mattt> heh, it's like irc ... but in person
[22:32] <mattt> i still think it's odd ;D
[22:32] <daftykins> AlanBell: :D
[22:32] <bigcalm> Haha
[22:32] <daftykins> indeed, i can't get to London!
[22:32] <daftykins> fail at the first hurdle
[22:33] <AlanBell> mattt: well normal wouldn't really be "us" would it!
[22:33] <mattt> AlanBell: freaks!
[22:33] <AlanBell> yay
[22:35] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so far it's just you and me. How romantic ;)
[22:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: you all look the same in the dark :)
[22:40] <ubuntubhoy> but do they feel the same ??
[22:40] <AlanBell> mooooving on
[22:41] <bigcalm> HAHA
[22:42] <mattt> :P
[22:44] <daftykins> most restaurants are practically pitch black already with the fashionable dim lighting ;)
[22:45] <daftykins> one of our fave local pubs actually cranks the music up and the lights down at a set time of evening :S quite daft it is
[22:45] <AlanBell> there is quite a lot of difference between low light and no light
[22:45] <daftykins> well yes but what i'm doing here is called making conversation branching from a topic, rather than being specifically to do with it
[22:46] <AlanBell> I find your expectation of social skills . . . disturbing
[22:46] <AlanBell> :)
[22:47] <daftykins> not sure i follow
[22:47] <daftykins> i found your comment rude so carried on ^_^
[22:47] <AlanBell> christmas meal mail sent :)
[22:48] <AlanBell> no intention to be rude, sorry if I was
[22:48] <daftykins> that's ok
[22:54]  * mattt gets his python on
[22:54] <bigcalm> AlanBell: It's the beginning of November and you've signed off your email with 'Happy Christmas'. I find this strangely disturbing
[22:57] <AlanBell> tweeted, and G+ed it
[23:24] <DaveBug> AlanBell: We /were/ in a pub... but I'm at home now
[23:24] <AlanBell> how did it go?
[23:30] <mattt> AlanBell: : what's your twitter?
[23:32] <AlanBell> @alanbell_libsol
[23:34] <mattt> was really hoping it was @alanbell :/
[23:35] <AlanBell> sadly I didn't get there in time for that
[23:45]  * bigcalm engages sleep mode


[05:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/980/
[14:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T183: Calamares should NOT prompt repeatedly if a partition matching (or exceeding) the required bios_grub partition is already configured for manual partitioning] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T183#4560


[01:14] <byder> hola! alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:27] <lantizia> Hey where are you supposed to see network manager?
[02:28] <lantizia> nevermind
[02:28] <lantizia> taskbar was like waaay too long
[06:10] <Lantizia> Hey any idea why nm-applet is missing icons on the tray? (just a box with a red stricken through circle)
[06:47] <head_victim> Lantizia: apparently it's a known issue according to the mailing list
[06:47] <bioterror> look for the icon ;)
[06:48] <bioterror> sounds more like a theme problem
[06:49] <UBuxuBU> Good morning purveyors of Good Will.
[07:25] <UBuxuBU> welcome to lubuntu MrChrisDruif
[07:26] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks UBuxuBU :)
[09:09] <Lantizia> any ideas what i should be clicking/installing to deal with power management? (e.g. what to do when lappy lid is closed)
[15:12] <walraven> upgrade to 11.4 preserves firefox 4.
[18:15] <walraven> any ideas how to change screen-res. bypassing monitor-settings?
[22:08] <bonny> how can i install avg virus scanner on lx terminal
[22:10] <Unit193> !virus | bonny
[22:11] <bonny> ok
[22:11] <bonny> well i didnt know
[23:56] <oo> Thanks for Lubuntu, it's the fastest distribution I've ever used :)


[03:47] <tdaitx> could someone please create tasks in LP: #1696886 for Zesty, Yakkety and Xenial with importance whishlist? And also set the Main task importance to whishlist?
[04:16]  * sbeattie took care of it
[04:18] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hey, I was poking at LP: #1697287 and looking at the dpkg history, it looks like unattended-upgrades downgraded the isc-dhcp-client:amd64 package; I didn't realize unattended-upgrades could do that...
[11:49] <fatmck> I filed a bug of kubuntu, but I don't know what package its related, can anyone help me on this?
[11:49] <fatmck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1697612


[09:01] <dholbach> good morning
[11:08] <man-di> @now
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 03 2007, 09:08:40 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 9 hours 51 minutes
[12:45] <shawarma> @schedule London
[12:45] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 03 Jul 20:00: Technical Board | 04 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu Developers | 04 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu | 05 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Jul 16:00: Kernel Team | 11 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu


[07:40] <oxfuxxx> hey.
[20:47] <X86person8> Hey, is x86 18.04.5 "Bionic Beaver" still getting updates? when is/will be eol? Vanished completly from the site?!?
[20:49] <tomreyn> X86person8: eol for 1.5 years
[20:51] <X86person8> rlly for and not in? cause ubuntu provides updates for it up to 2028 if i understand correctly!?!
[20:52] <tomreyn> https://lubuntu.me/bionic-eol/
[20:53] <tomreyn> ubuntu provides support for ubuntu packages (in main) until april next year for free, and then for a well-chosen number of ubuntu / server packages for another 5 years.
[20:53] <X86person8> thx :)


[00:00] <d^_^b_> hello
[00:01] <d^_^b_> someone can help me to install ubuntu-touch in samsung galaxy tab 2 7" (p3100)? thanks
[00:08] <dobey> ghosalmartin: we don't have builds on top of 5 yet even.
[00:08] <dobey> !devices | d^_^b_
[00:09] <ghosalmartin> i assume you guys use libhybris?
[00:15] <k1l_> ghosalmartin: iirc yes
[00:16] <ghosalmartin> k1l_ how do you guys inject it into the android build?
[00:20] <k1l_> ghosalmartin: see this for a start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ContainerArchitecture
[00:21] <k1l_> or this is somewhat more detailed http://elinux.org/images/c/cf/Ubuntu_Touch_Internals_1.pdf
[00:26] <ghosalmartin> ah I see
[00:32] <d^_^b_> thank you dobey
[00:32] <d^_^b_> i've found this one but the links doesn't works
[00:40]  * JanC wonders why ubuntu-sdk-ide _requires_ SQLite, Postgres, MySQL, ODBC *and* Sybase/MSSQL database drivers...
[05:23] <mac_> Hello guys
[05:24] <mac_> Currently working on poritng ubuntu touch device on my hd2... Our device doesnt have standard recovery and installs everything on partition sdcard instead of nand
[05:25] <mac_> I have already built a system.img using phablet_4.4.2 for my device and also patched the kernel.
[05:27] <mac_> I want to know how can I flash the preinstall-tar.gz (vivid or xenial) and the system.img , if adb on my recovery is not working
[06:25] <Querty> Testing
[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[10:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Fibonacci Day! 😃
[10:19] <jgdx> seb128, re: bug 1518732, what's wrong? I assume I misused i18n.tr
[10:20] <seb128> jgdx, the template parser doesn't like single quote for some reason
[10:20] <seb128> '...' -> not good
[10:20] <seb128> "..." -> good
[10:20] <seb128> and you put those strings in single quote
[10:20] <jgdx> oh man, okay
[10:20] <jgdx> seb128, thanks
[10:20]  * jgdx creates a precommit check for that
[10:22] <seb128> jgdx, yw
[10:22] <seb128> we should look if that can be fixed, or caught by CI
[10:43] <jgdx> seb128, I found some tr errors in ApnEditor as well, using the script. Do you want a branch or will you fix them as well?
[10:44] <seb128> jgdx, well I didn't look at those yet, I was going to grep for "i18n.tr('" and fix everything list
[10:44] <seb128> but if you are already on it feel free to do the change and mp it
[10:45] <jgdx> seb128, okay, I can do it.
[10:46] <seb128> thanks
[11:09] <ahayzen> Hi, does anyone else get a rather large stutter in the UI, on mako, when an application is suspend/closed ?
[11:15] <davmor2> I take the overwhelming silence to mean no ;)
[11:17] <ahayzen> :(
[11:18] <jgdx> ahayzen, I have a mako on ota8. How do I repro that?
[11:19] <ahayzen> jgdx, open multiple apps, say the browser and music... switch from browser to music and scroll up/down the list ~2second after switching when the app is suspended you see a stutter
[11:19] <ahayzen> or a similar thing when an application is closed
[11:21] <ahayzen> or even just scrolling up/down the scopes
[11:22] <jgdx> ahayzen, I see it. Could you file that? Maybe against the canonical-devices-system-image proj
[11:23] <ahayzen> jgdx, yup :-) and maybe qtmir? i'm not sure what actual project to blame
[11:23] <jgdx> me neither
[11:23] <ahayzen> do you have a bq/mx4 to try on asw ell?
[11:23] <ahayzen> *as well
[11:27] <ahayzen> jgdx, i've reported bug 1518935, i'm going at ask in the mir channel if they think it could be in that part of the platform
[11:29] <jgdx> ahayzen, thanks
[11:39] <Mirv> attente: hey! the new maliit-framework looks great otherwise but it seems you missed the ubuntu12 upload of the old version - could you restore the patch 0015 required for Qt 5.5? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/220408536/maliit-framework_0.99.0%2Bgit20130923%2B17fdf86-0ubuntu11~gcc5.1_0.99.0%2Bgit20130923%2B17fdf86-0ubuntu12.diff.gz
[11:40] <Mirv> attente: (I saw the changelog entry for ubuntu12 being removed from the new upload)
[11:44] <om26er_> jgdx, Hi!
[11:44] <jgdx> om26er_, yo
[11:45] <om26er_> jgdx, is there an ofono script to change active data connection SIM on a dual sim device ?
[11:46] <om26er_> jgdx, in my test, I want to switch data connection from SIM2 to SIM1 for example
[11:46] <jgdx> om26er_, yeah, the script I gave you, but you have to supply the script the paths
[11:46] <jgdx> so disable-gprs /ril_0 && enable-gprs /ril_1
[11:47] <jgdx> paths you can get from dbus or the other ofono scripts (list-modems)
[11:48] <om26er_> jgdx, thanks, that should do it
[12:10] <Mirv> attente: ignore the earlier, I looked at the new code the wrong way, it seems the patch is yet another that can be dropped (but the changelog entry was indeed accidentally removed)
[12:23] <davmor2> mpt: Hey dude I have a designy issue. Settings→Sound there is  a slider that is under the title Ringer but that is just a volume control and not specific to the ringer right?
[12:26] <mpt> davmor2, that’s bug 1396986. The slider label should change to reflect what it is currently changing the volume of, but that should be output devices, not roles.
[12:26] <davmor2> mpt: ah nice thanks
[12:27] <davmor2> mpt: also any movement on changing about phone to something other than phone when it isn't on a phone
[12:27] <mpt> no
[13:43] <attente> Mirv: ah, ok, thanks. i'll do it now
[13:45] <attente> Mirv: is there a better packaging branch that is synched with what's most recent in archive?
[13:56] <attente> dholbach: hey, Mirv pointed out that i missed this changelog entry: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/220408536/maliit-framework_0.99.0+git20130923+17fdf86-0ubuntu11~gcc5.1_0.99.0+git20130923+17fdf86-0ubuntu12.diff.gz. is it still possible for me to fix it?
[14:02] <dholbach> attente, I uploaded it already -- it could be retractively added with the next upload?
[14:03] <crypted> The changelog link does not seem to give alot of info. Do any of you guys know when native VOIP features will be introduced to Ubuntu-Phone OS?
[14:07] <attente> dholbach: should we do another upload now to fix it? or should we wait to the next release? i'm not sure what the process is here, and i'm not sure any more if there's a bzr branch that is up-to-date with archive. i'm also not sure if anyone will remember to do it when the next release is ready...
[14:09] <dholbach> attente, Mirv: I'm not sure I understand... is the branch which I uploaded from not up to date with archive?
[14:09] <attente> dholbach: apparently that branch was missing a changelog entry from wily
[14:10] <attente> so it seems not...
[14:10] <attente> it was also missing a patch, but that was already merged upstream so wasn't needed any more
[14:14] <attente> dholbach: i guess i'll just update that branch anyways since it seems most up-to-date, and we can just merge, but not upload it so we don't forget
[14:19] <dholbach> ok, cool
[14:22] <Mirv> attente: possibly there's no up-to-date packaging branch or something.
[14:22] <Mirv> dholbach: ^
[14:23] <Mirv> attente: dholbach: anyway, the patch was already in upstream so basically just changelog entry deleted
[14:23] <attente> Mirv: ok, so the problem is worse than just the one changelog entry. i missed a bunch of changes comparing it to what's in wily
[14:24] <attente> Mirv: the debdiff is pretty big, i'm not sure if most of these changes were integrated upstream though
[14:25] <attente> i guess i have to comb through the entire thing to get the branch up-to-date
[14:33] <ncls> hi all, I need to install Android on my Ubuntu Phone (was a good experience, but I need Android for dev purpose) two questions : is it possible from Mac OSX ? at which moment should we press the "download" button like on this tutorial ? http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/
[14:33] <ncls> I tried to do it from a VM on my Mac but it didn't seem to work
[14:35] <dobey> ncls: you should contact bq support for help with that i guess. the mediatek tool is only available for windows or linux though i think.
[14:35] <ncls> dobey: ok I will, thank you
[14:35] <ncls> just wanted to know if it was possible without this tool
[14:36] <ncls> but they might know that too
[14:36] <dobey> no, the tool is required for mediatek based phones
[14:42] <ncls> ok thank you dobey
[14:45] <Mirv> attente: ah, ok, well good to check then the others
[14:50] <Saviq> morphis, hey, I found an issue with BT transmitting the network name to my car kit - I've two sims in the BQ phone (one a left over from a trip), and one of them is offline due to lack of roaming and the car says "No network", even though my main card is fine, not really sure how to solve this as I imagine the profiles used don't understand multi SIM
[14:50] <Saviq> but I'd like to file a bug for future's sake
[14:55] <morphis> Saviq: thas is kown and will be fixed soon
[14:55] <morphis> basically ofono picks the first modem it finds currently
[14:56] <morphis> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1418040
[14:57] <Saviq> morphis, ah good, thanks :)
[14:57] <Saviq> morphis, what if there's no default modem? :D
[14:57] <morphis> Saviq: there will be one
[14:57] <morphis> that is what we're currently changing
[14:58] <Saviq> morphis, I mean that the user might've selected "ask me every time"
[14:58] <Saviq> oh, and also, I didn't get a call history entry I think when I used the car kit to dial
[14:59] <morphis> Saviq: also known: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1479442
[15:00] <morphis> Saviq: ask me every time is currently not considered but would be a pure UI decision
[15:00] <Saviq> morphis, no no, I meant that the *phone* app didn't show a call I placed with the car kit
[15:00] <morphis> Saviq: ah
[15:00] <morphis> interesting, can you file a bug for that?
[15:00] <Saviq> will do
[15:01] <Saviq> unfortunately my car kit is old enough that I never found a phone that could share any meaningful data with it
[15:02] <morphis> Saviq: and can you include a syslog with debug information?
[15:02] <morphis> Saviq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingBluetooth
[15:03] <morphis> that would be pretty great
[15:03] <Saviq> morphis, will try and repro and file if I do
[15:04] <Elleo>  o
[15:04] <Elleo> oops
[15:10] <morphis> Saviq: can you file one for the netreg thing too?
[15:20] <Saviq> morphis, netreg? you mean "no network" in the car kit?
[15:21] <slvn_> Hello, some question .. on Ubuntu Touch, qtbase is compiled with which "platform" directory ?
[15:22] <pmcgowan> Mirv, ^
[15:24] <dobey> slvn_: there is no ubuntu touch, there is only ubuntu
[15:25] <dobey> the qt5 on the phone isn't a "special build." it is the standard ubuntu qt5 build with the same build options as everywhere
[15:26] <slvn_> dobey,  I mean on ubuntu for phones/tablet.
[15:26] <slvn_> maybe my question is not well asked .. I explain
[15:26] <dobey> slvn_: i mean, ubuntu is ubuntu
[15:27] <slvn_> my app is based on mir, and, even in fullscreen, it displays the status bar
[15:27] <dobey> i don't know what the "platform" directory you're referring to is specifically, but there isn't a special build of qt5 for phones. it is the standard qt5 build for armhf that's in ubuntu
[15:27] <slvn_> but, camera-app, for instance does not display the status bar
[15:27] <dobey> you mean the top panel of unity8?
[15:28] <slvn_> maybe ... not sure of the name .. the top bar
[15:28] <dobey> the one with the radio/battery/sound indicators?
[15:28] <slvn_> yes
[15:29] <dobey> how are you doing full screen in your app?
[15:29] <dobey> your app shouldn't be using mir directly, btw
[15:29] <slvn_> yes, but this is a C++ app, calling mir function
[15:30] <slvn_> using sdl2, which calls mir ..
[15:30] <dobey> well sdl2 has a mir backend, but you are not calling mir directly in your app are you?
[15:30] <slvn_> no
[15:30] <dobey> ok
[15:30] <slvn_> but I double check the mir stuff to make stuff the correct calls were done
[15:31] <tvoss> slvn_, you want to check with bschaefer for requesting full screen
[15:31] <tvoss> slvn_, he did the sdl2-mir backend mostly
[15:31] <dobey> yeah
[15:31] <slvn_> tvoss, i know i will ask him later
[15:32] <slvn_> but I am looking at the camera-app
[15:32] <slvn_> to understand how it goes fullscreen
[15:33] <slvn_> it seem to call qml/qt stuff and, if i am correct, the corresponding packages are : qtdeclarative-opensource-src and qtbase-opensource-src
[15:34] <tvoss> slvn_, that's very unlikely, as qt would only call mir, too
[15:34] <tvoss> slvn_, for the respective qt-mir interaction: lp:qtmir
[15:35] <slvn_> tvoss, ok so I look the wrong package, thanks !
[15:37] <tvoss> slvn_, yw
[15:42] <Mirv> slvn_: all platform plugins are available, you can see them with eg qmlscene -platform test. on the phone, mirserver and libubuntuclient are installed (from qtmir/qtubuntu) in addition to the normal qtbase upstream ones (which include eglfs, kms, linuxfb, miminalegl etc)
[15:44] <mcphail> slvn_: SDL apps can go fullscreen too
[15:48] <slvn_> Mirv,  not sure I expressed correctly. I end up on qtbase-opensource-src/src/plugins/platforms/ and there was many platforms (android, coca, direct2d, winrt, etc..) not sure there are all need on a ubuntu device. but it seems I was looking at the wrong place. and I am currently looking into lp:qtmir
[15:49] <slvn_> mcphail,  hi, I know but it does not go to full-screen. there is still the top status bar !
[15:49] <mcphail> slvn_: you can get proper fullscreen
[15:49] <mcphail> slvn_: (I just can't remember how at this second)
[15:50] <mcphail> I think apps which use SDL2's virtual resolution approach get true fullscreen
[15:51] <mcphail> IIRC, Neverball/neverputt get fullscreen. You could have a look at their code
[15:53] <Mirv> slvn_: right, that's the place. upstream Qt 5.6 now has mirclient plugin there too, and mirserver is in a branch, but in our Qt 5.4 production code the plugins come from lp:qtmir and lp:qtubuntu
[15:54] <mcphail> slvn_: good work on your games, btw. Have you uploaded any to the store?
[15:54] <Mirv> slvn_: lp:qtubuntu is the libmirclient one which probably apps would use
[15:54] <slvn_> mcphail,  currently, I have no phone ... but that would be great if you could check Neverball app to see if there is the statusbar ..
[15:55] <mcphail> slvn_: I'll check when I get home and on to wifi
[15:57] <slvn_> Mirv,  yes lp:qtubuntu is more interesting ! it does the translation Qt:WindowFullScreen to mir_surface_state_fullscreen
[15:58] <dobey> https://uappexplorer.com/app/neverball.lb
[15:58] <dobey> screenshot there doesn't show the unity8 panel
[15:59] <popey> slvn_, neverball and neverputt are proper full screen
[15:59] <swex> hi there
[16:00] <swex> googling for a while and can't get answer: how to instlal ubuntu-touch on x86 tablet?
[16:01] <slvn_> popey, dobey ... you tried it on a ubuntu phone ?
[16:01] <popey> yes
[16:01] <slvn_> do you where i can see the code ?
[16:02] <popey> https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch
[16:02] <mcphail> slvn_: I _think_ you get true fullscreen if you use SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP
[16:03] <mcphail> slvn_: that's the kind of virtual-resolution fullscreen which came in with SDL2
[16:04]  * mcphail needs to check if this still holds true since we got platform-level orientation
[16:04] <dobey> !devices | swex
[16:05] <swex> dobey: nothing related to x86 found :(
[16:05] <dobey> swex: right, so you'd need to port to your device
[16:06] <swex> dobey: ok,but what is that? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:06] <dobey> swex: if it's a windows tablet, it's probably going to be more difficult to port, at least.
[16:07] <dobey> the daily-preinstalled tarball is the base image the device-specific images are built from
[16:07] <slvn_> mcphail,  you might be right ... I use SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN, whereas neverball-touch use SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP ..
[16:08] <pixel_> slvn_, you are using SDL2 right?
[16:08] <slvn_> but that would be really weird that the method named setFullScreen is not called with SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN
[16:08] <slvn_> pixel_, yes
[16:09] <pixel_> slvn_, how do you load images?
[16:10] <slvn_> pixel_,  with SDL2_image ... but this is more a sdl question ...
[16:11] <pixel_> slvn_, if so the the sdl2 extensions are also available SDL_image, SDL_ttf, and SDL_mixer etc
[16:11] <pixel_> slvn_, yeah.. i was just curious :D
[16:11] <mcphail> slvn_: SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP is much nicer anyway
[16:11] <pixel_> not related to the fullscreen question
[16:12] <slvn_> pixel_,  yes I cross compile sdl2 image/ttf/mixer !
[16:12] <mcphail> slvn_: although I don't know how well touch events translate with SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP
[16:13] <pixel_> slvn_, do you know what is available on the phone? do you have to put all the sdl and extension into a click?
[16:13] <pixel_> slvn_, or are already available on the phone
[16:13] <mcphail> pixel_: you need to bundle everything
[16:13] <pixel_> ewww
[16:13] <mcphail> pixel_: it is the future :)
[16:13] <pixel_> yeah :D
[16:14] <slvn_> mcphail,  I am still very sceptical about the SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP. I mean, if someone want to test, I can rebuilt quickly an app !
[16:14] <mcphail> slvn_: I'm happy to have a look this evening
[16:14] <mcphail> slvn_: remember that you set a virtual resolution in SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP, though
[16:15] <slvn_> pixel_,  yes all rebundled ...  but whatever is working on android, ios, tvos, winrt, macosx, linux, now work on ubuntu device
[16:16] <pixel_> slvn_, that's nice.. so i just download sdl2 https://www.libsdl.org/download-2.0.php and compile it with mir support?
[16:16] <pixel_> slvn_, what ide are you using? qt creator?
[16:19] <slvn_> pixel_,  .. I cross compiled it, so I set up a partial chroot .. no ide, I have a couple of script to rebuild everything from scratch
[16:19] <slvn_> actually, the script for the partial chroot comes from mir
[16:20] <popey> slvn_, I have a few devices, happy to test
[16:21] <pixel_> slvn_, i see, thanks :P
[16:22] <slvn_> mcphail,  Mirv, I am still sceptical about the  flags with _DESKTOP :) ... though I saw a difference between lp:qtubuntu  and SDL2/mir backend.  lp:qtubuntu is doing a "mir_wait_for(mir_surface_set_set_state(fullscreen))" whereas SDL2 is not doing that ...
[16:25] <tvoss> slvn_, mcphail best to report to bschaefer, I'm not sure where we track bugs for the sdl2 backend
[16:25] <Mirv> greyback_: see possible slvn_:s questions regarding lp:qtubuntu etc, although mainly he's about improving the sdl2 backend apparently and just looking for tips from lp:qtubuntu
[16:26] <mcphail> yes, would be nice if both FULLSCREEN approaches gave true fullscreen
[16:27] <slvn_> tvoss, Mirv  dont worry I let this know to bschafer ..
[16:28] <Mirv> slvn_: oh, ok
[16:29] <bschaefer> yeah i dont do that
[16:30] <bschaefer> but theres no reason i dont ...
[16:30] <slvn_> popey,  told me there is still the status bar with _DESKTOP
[16:30] <slvn_> I will try to patch SDL2/mir with a wait_for like in lp:qtubuntu
[16:31] <bschaefer> i dont think that will solve that issue since it become fullscreen
[16:31] <bschaefer> at some point
[16:31]  * bschaefer didnt read the backlog
[16:32] <greyback_> slvn_: that is the correct way to set the fullscreen flag on a mir surface yes. It should cause the unity8 panel to go away
[16:32] <mcphail> bschaefer: SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP seems to give proper fullscreen
[16:32] <bschaefer> mcphail, well setting that?
[16:32] <slvn_> mcphail,  no, even with SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP, there is still the status bar ..
[16:32] <bschaefer> for the touch to remove the toolbar?
[16:33] <bschaefer> IIRC greyback_ told me about setting things to fullscreen and the toolbar when away in my example
[16:33] <bschaefer> but that was like ... 6 or so months ago
[16:33] <mcphail> slvn_: really? Wonder what makes the difference then. All my SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP test apps went proper fullscreen
[16:33] <slvn_> on my app .. but not on neverball it seems there is not status.   but neverball is not using SDL_Renderer, it use direct call to egl
[16:34] <mcphail> slvn_: have you used SDL_RenderSetLogicalSize?
[16:35] <morphis> Saviq: exactly
[16:38] <pixel_> slvn_, what is this? https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[16:39] <bschaefer> thats the branch to move to the newer mir ABI/API
[16:39] <bschaefer> (moving to 0.15 and greater)
[16:39] <bschaefer> pixel_, cant sync those changes with upstream SDL2 until ubuntu LTS
[16:39] <bschaefer> (since thats what SDL2 aims for) with out a very ugly patch :)
[16:41] <pixel_> bschaefer, oh i see :D thanks
[16:42] <mcphail> slvn_: This is the code I use to bring up SDL in a little pong game which show up as true fullscreen - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13477772/
[16:42] <bschaefer> np!
[16:44] <slvn_> mcphail,  I dont use Render Logical .. but I could ... but that should not make any difference
[16:45] <mcphail> slvn_: that's what SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN_DESKTOP expects
[16:46] <mcphail> slvn_: you let SDL fill the desktop and give you a logical surface on top
[16:46] <mcphail> slvn_: with letterboxing as needed
[16:50]  * mcphail suspects you can coerce SDL_WINDOW_FULLSCREEN to do the same thing if the resolution is set to include the statusbar area
[16:59] <slvn_> mcphail, I have build a game that use logical size, will see if it goes full screen ...
[16:59]  * mcphail crosses fingers
[17:00] <ryao> Where do the Kubuntu mobile guys hang out?
[17:03] <pixel_> Steam provides both SDL 1.2 and 2.0 in this manner, for both x86 and amd64, in addition to several add-on libraries like SDL_mixer. When shipping a Linux game on Steam, do not ship a build of SDL with your game. Link against SDL as normal, and expect it to be available on the player's system. This allows Valve to make fixes and improvements to their SDL and those fixes to flow on to your game.
[17:03]  * pixel_ like steam
[17:05] <mcphail> pixel_: that's why steam breaks with open source drivers
[17:06] <dobey> mcphail: steam works fine on intel
[17:06] <mcphail> dobey: you have to kill steam's libc++ with nouveau and radeon
[17:07] <mcphail> runtimes can be evil
[17:07] <dobey> gcc is evil
[17:07] <dobey> i presume you're talking about on 15.04 or 15.10?
[17:08] <mcphail> I've had problems on 15.04 and 15.10. Not sure if I used open source drivers on 14.04
[17:08] <dobey> steam doesn't support those releases
[17:08] <mcphail> yep
[17:08] <dobey> well, 15.10 has gcc5, which is a problem, and 15.04 has gcc 4.9, which is binary incompat with 4.8, which 14.04 has
[17:08] <dobey> and steam only officially supports LTS
[17:09] <dobey> i just stay with LTS for my production host OS, and use contains for building on newer releases for development
[17:09] <mcphail> and an unsupported runtime is worse than no runtime at all
[17:10] <dobey> i don't know if steam even officially supports 14.04. they might still only support 12.04 officially
[17:11] <mcphail> I think the games list 14.04 in the requirements, so I assume it is supported. But the open source drivers on 14.04 are poor for gaming, so it is a catch 22
[17:11] <timppa_> hello!
[17:11] <timppa_> I've been struggling lately with Nexus 7 deb
[17:12] <mcphail> deb?
[17:12] <timppa_> mcphail LTE version of Nexus 7
[17:12] <mcphail> aah
[17:13] <mcphail> timppa_: not sure if that is a supported device
[17:13] <dobey> deb is not officially supported
[17:13] <timppa_> there is http://system-image.tasemnice.eu which hosts the deb images as well
[17:13] <dobey> and tassadar is in the wind
[17:14] <timppa_> lately those images stopped working
[17:14] <dobey> and i have no idea how to set up a similar image server
[17:14] <timppa_> I managed to build my own version of the android bits and now the new images work again.
[17:14] <timppa_> I'd like to create an image server but I don't know how
[17:15] <dobey> mcphail: you can try the lts backport kernel/xorg and it might work better. my main issue is getting 4K@60Hz working properly on intel
[17:15] <dobey> i'm happy to host an image server
[17:15] <dobey> and i have infinite bandwidth/storage for it
[17:15] <timppa_> dobey: do you know how to create one?
[17:15] <dobey> i just don't know how to get the scripting set up to do it right
[17:16] <dobey> but i need to figure out how
[17:16] <dobey> because my phone badly needs updates
[17:16] <timppa_> which phone you have?
[17:18] <dobey> nexus 5
[17:18] <timppa_> Btw, anyone happen to know if 16.04 images/rootfs has the new bluez as well?
[17:18] <dobey> afaik it does
[17:18] <timppa_> dobey: so you have the same issue that the new images do not boot anymore?
[17:18] <dobey> but afaik, xenial images are known broken at the moment
[17:19] <dobey> timppa_: no, i don't use devel-proposed because it breaks
[17:19] <dobey> i have an image that mariogrip made and put on his server, but i don't think he's built any more images since
[17:19] <timppa_> ok, I just flashed the latest xenial image and it seems to run but "deb" still has the issue that bluetooth does not work
[17:19] <dobey> and i don't think he cares to maintain builds for other devices
[17:20] <dobey> oh, there is a new image there, yay
[17:20] <dobey> but only has stable channel
[17:21] <timppa_> I have Nexus 4 and the LTE version of Nexus 7, I cannot test N5.. :(
[17:22] <timppa_> So the reason I'd like to create my own image server is to use 15.10 release train and not 16.04.
[17:22] <timppa_> If someone could share the knowlegde :D
[17:23] <mcphail> timppa_: 15.10 isn't in use, afaik
[17:23] <mcphail> timppa_: wily has been skipped
[17:23] <popey> yeah, we're not using 15.10
[17:23] <timppa_> 15.04 then ;D
[17:23] <dobey> timppa_: you shouldn't be using devel-proposed anyway
[17:26] <timppa_> never had that many issues on devel-proposed on any of the devices
[17:27] <cwayne1> has anyone had issues with mx4 on ota8 where the battery indicator is wrong?
[17:27] <slvn_> mcphail,  SetLogicalSize does not improves, there is still the status bar ..
[17:28] <slvn_> mcphail, bschaefer,  somethings strange, MIR_SetFullScreen is always call with fullscreen=0, so it disable fullscreen ... But even forcing fullscreen it is not hiding the status bar
[17:35] <dobey> timppa_: devel-proposed gets basically no QA and is known to possibly break. it's not currently 1:1 with what's in rc-proposed, either, in terms of features.
[17:37] <timppa_> dobey: I know, I've been rather quietly been watching the development of things since UT was announced
[17:38] <timppa_> is there any way to sideload the vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz on a device?
[17:39] <slvn_> Mirv, tvoss, bschaefer, in fact, ignore my previous remark about "mir_wait_for",  SDL2 use the API mir_surface_set_spec_set,  whereas lp:qtubuntu use the one withou "_spec_" ... so the mir_wait_for was not relevant .. sorry
[17:43] <slvn_> mcphail, bschaefer, I have done many tries of application with popey and we got a solution for the statusbar bug. well it's not a solution, but a way to get it working
[17:43] <bschaefer> nice, i've not gotten the time to look at that issue :(
[17:43] <popey> \o/
[17:44]  * popey is busy playing tic-tac-toe
[17:44]  * popey loves his job
[17:44] <slvn_> the call "MIR_mir_surface_apply_spec(mir_window->surface, spec);"  seem not to perform well
[17:44] <slvn_> but  "MIR_mir_wait_for(MIR_mir_surface_set_state(mir_window->surface,state));"  was working better
[17:45] <slvn_> it's not a fix .. but it points something wrong ...
[17:46] <tty> silly question - can ubuntu 'phone os' be installed on mobiles such as samsung s6 etc?
[17:46] <bschaefer> slvn_, hmm the only issue i can think of is the spec that was created applied to the surface?
[17:46]  * bschaefer thought it was
[17:46] <slvn_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13478383/
[17:46] <bschaefer> slvn_, also im pretty sure that function is deprecated :(
[17:48] <bschaefer> looks like it is... slvn_ i mean the wait_for isnt needed? If you remove that ... it should still work
[17:48] <bschaefer> with the old function
[17:48] <bschaefer> slvn_, you check the state of the window as well?
[17:48] <bschaefer> after a little bit (after the apply) to see if its fullscreen?
[17:48] <bschaefer> (with the set spec)
[17:49] <tty> oo.. see it's available for nexus devices... is ubuntu touch the same as ubuntu phone...?
[17:50] <mcphail> slvn_: this is brilliant work, getting to the bottom of all of this. If we get this fixed I might even be able to read the text on my version of Baldur's Gate :)
[17:53] <slvn_> bschaefer, I am on the phone, please let me know how to check the validity of surface
[17:54] <bschaefer> slvn_, mir_surface_get_state(surface1) == mir_surface_state_fullscreen
[17:54] <bschaefer> pretty much
[17:55] <bschaefer> but you've to wait for some amount of time (since it has to go through the IPC to the server and actually update the surface that its fullscreen)
[17:55] <bschaefer> before it *should* tell you that it is indeed fullscreen
[17:55] <bschaefer> slvn_, you can just add a print statement in the event loop
[17:55] <bschaefer> so you can press a key to get the current state of the surface
[17:55] <bschaefer> (when a key is pressed or w/e)
[17:57] <mac_> During boot up of ported ubuntu, upon executing "mount -o loop,rw /tmpmnt/system.img ${rootmnt}"
[17:57] <mac_>  I get this in last/kmsg "EXT4-fs (loop0): bad geometry: block count 652288 exceeds size of device (573440 blocks)"
[17:57] <mac_> my partition size is 7GB and system.img is 2.6GB
[17:57] <mac_> What am I doing wrong?
[18:00] <mac_> Also How do I view irc ubuntu-touch logs? to view if anyone answered my question yesterday
[18:02] <ahayzen> mac_, this would be yesterday's log http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/22/%23ubuntu-touch.txt
[18:16] <slvn_> bschaefer, I have updated with this code ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/13478688/
[18:17] <bschaefer> slvn_, i ment to check using the set spec way
[18:17] <bschaefer> as if the surface is getting fullscreen
[18:17] <bschaefer> then it would be qtmir
[18:17]  * bschaefer will have to look at it at some point
[18:17] <bschaefer> slvn_, as i've used the set spec for fullscreen before
[18:17] <bschaefer> and im not sure why the tool bar doesnt go away in this case
[18:18] <slvn_> I should remove the "no_spec" also ?
[18:21] <bschaefer> slvn_, o sorry mis read
[18:21] <bschaefer> the issue with that, is it takes some time (milliseconds)
[18:21] <bschaefer> to change, but your log is right after the change
[18:21] <bschaefer> soo it'll be false
[18:21] <bschaefer> but will be true in a few milliseconds
[18:22] <slvn_> ok !
[18:32] <mac_> If someone would kindly explain difference between "bootmode=ubuntu" and "bootmode=android"
[18:32] <mac_> in initrd /script/touch we have "# Our current list of supported boot modes: 	## BOOT_MODE = ubuntu and android"
[18:32] <mac_> any expert can explain?
[18:35] <dobey> mac_: i'm not an expert, but my first guess would be that ubuntu boots into ubuntu, and android boots into only the android container with none of the ubuntu services
[18:41] <slvn_> bschaefer, log+code http://paste.ubuntu.com/13478971/
[18:42] <slvn_> there is the status bar, and it does not report fullscreen
[18:42] <slvn_> btw, there is always the Force to ON .. see the code
[19:00] <Paddy_NI> I want to put Ubuntu Touch back on my bq Aquaris E4.5 and was wondering which channel will get me the latest build?
[19:00] <Paddy_NI> popey: Which build do you use?
[19:00] <popey> depends
[19:00] <popey> i have more than one device :)
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Ah yes you also have the MX4
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Lovely
[19:01] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en is what I run on my most used bq phone
[19:01] <popey> which updates ~daily
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Cool
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Thanks :-)
[19:01] <popey> if it's your second device then that's a good idea
[19:01] <popey> if it's your primary device I'd use the stable channel
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Absolutely, I think that is what I had on it before
[19:11] <Paddy_NI> popey: I had previously flashed it with the stock E4.5 version of android so I am a little unsure as to how to flash this back to Ubuntu
[19:12] <Paddy_NI> I did "sudo ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap recovery-krillin.img" whilst in fastboot mode
[19:12] <Paddy_NI> Device KRILLIN not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[19:15] <popey> Paddy_NI, there's an askubuntu Q&A about this... one mo
[19:15] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5
[19:15] <Paddy_NI> Cool, thanks for your time :-)
[19:15] <Paddy_NI> Ah yes I was on that
[19:15] <dobey> you did not pass --reocvery it seems
[19:15] <Paddy_NI> ah
[19:15] <Paddy_NI> I thought that was a problem
[19:16] <Paddy_NI> The syntax is wrong in that Q&A
[19:16] <Paddy_NI> --recovery-image
[19:16] <Paddy_NI> Is not recognised
[19:17] <Paddy_NI> Hmm unknown flag --recovery
[19:17] <dobey> it's --recovery-image
[19:17] <dobey>       --recovery-image=  Specify the recovery image file to use when flashing,
[19:17] <Paddy_NI> I've done both
[19:17] <dobey> also do not run ubuntu-device-flash under sudo
[19:17] <Paddy_NI> ah
[19:18] <dobey> and as per the askubuntu answer, if you get unknown flag for --recovery-image option, you need to add the PPA and upgrad phablet-tools
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> Silly me
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> Tired
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> Not my night
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> $ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image recovery-krillin.img
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> 2015/11/23 19:21:00 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> 2015/11/23 19:21:00 Device is |KRILLIN|
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> Device KRILLIN not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> Oops
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> I should have used pastbin
[19:21] <Paddy_NI> *paste
[19:23] <dobey> it shouldn't be all caps
[19:23] <dobey> maybe you need to --device krillin too
[19:23] <Paddy_NI> I know that's odd
[19:23] <Paddy_NI> cool
[19:24] <Paddy_NI> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13479346/
[19:25] <Paddy_NI> The devise itself says USB Transferring | USB Transmission OK Time:424ms Vel:21769KB/s
[19:26] <Paddy_NI> And that is what it still says
[19:26] <dobey> ok, i don't know why that is
[19:26] <Paddy_NI> Fair enoough
[19:26] <Paddy_NI> Enough
[19:26] <dobey> this is an e4.5 that originally came with ubuntu? or with android?
[19:27] <Paddy_NI> Ubuntu
[19:27] <Paddy_NI> I flashed it with the official Android ROM for the device
[19:27] <Paddy_NI> In the past it normally just flashed without fuss
[19:27] <jgdx> popey, quick q, if you own a mako, what channel should you use for rc-proposed?
[19:28] <dobey> Paddy_NI: do you currently have android 5.x on it?
[19:29] <Paddy_NI> dobey: YEp
[19:29] <dobey> Paddy_NI: try flashing back to the original android 4.4 rom for it, and then try flashing ubuntu again
[19:29] <dobey> jgdx: i use ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu on my mako
[19:30] <popey> what dobey said
[19:30] <jgdx> dobey, yeah me too. I will recommend that.
[19:30] <popey> jgdx, the same channel used on e4.5
[19:30] <dobey> e4.5 is bq-aquaris.en
[19:30] <Paddy_NI> dobey: Will do
[19:39] <Paddy_NI> brb I think a reboot might help me a little
[19:39] <dobey> probably not too much :)
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> meh
[19:46] <Paddy_NI> I've tried licking the screen and everything
[19:49] <dobey> did you flash to android 4.4 and boot it up, then reboot back to the bootloader and try to flash ubuntu again?
[19:50] <Paddy_NI> Trying to find the 4.x roms for it
[19:51] <Paddy_NI> BQ have a download on their site for 2.0.1_20150623-1900_bq-FW.zip
[19:51] <Paddy_NI> I think it might be KitKat not sure
[19:52] <Paddy_NI> And it seems to require the use of the dreaded SP_Flash_Tool
[19:52] <brendand> Paddy_NI, you can force the device '--device=krillin'
[19:52] <Paddy_NI> brendand: I did that
[19:52] <Paddy_NI> It fails to flash the device then
[19:52] <brendand> Paddy_NI, what is on it at the moment?
[19:52] <Paddy_NI> Android 5.x
[19:52] <Paddy_NI> Was originally Ubuntu Touch
[19:53] <brendand> Paddy_NI, and you reboot it into fastboot mode?
[19:53] <Paddy_NI> Yep
[19:54] <Paddy_NI> I just performed a factory reset from within android and letting it boot now
[19:54] <Paddy_NI> Going to give it another go
[19:54] <brendand> so it says  '=> FASTBOOT mode...' in the bottom corner
[19:54] <Paddy_NI> Yeah
[19:54] <Paddy_NI> The files transfer across but it then just fails
[19:54] <brendand> Paddy_NI, do you know which url you got the recovery image from?
[19:55] <Paddy_NI> brendand: Recovery image for ubuntu touch?
[19:55] <wligtenberg> What cable would I need to test/demo convergence on a Nexus4?
[19:55] <Paddy_NI> brendand: http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/recovery-krillin.img
[19:57] <pmcgowan> wligtenberg, slimport
[19:57] <wligtenberg> pmcgowan, so not MHL?
[19:58] <brendand> Paddy_NI, ok. just be double sure the file you're specifying in --recovery-image is that one. i would advice specifying the full path to that file, even if it is in the current working directory
[19:59] <pmcgowan> wligtenberg, not for nexus 4
[19:59] <Paddy_NI> brendand: Good point
[19:59] <wligtenberg> pmcgowan, ok thanks, good that I asked, I though MHL would have been the correct one. Thanks!
[20:00] <brendand> Paddy_NI, the behaviour sounds like the recovery image not being installed properly but i'd need to see your command + its output and the device output to know for sure
[20:00] <brendand> Paddy_NI, especially when you say 'USB Transferring | USB Transmission OK Time:424ms Vel:21769KB/s' is the last thing it says
[20:01] <brendand> Paddy_NI, now i see your pastebin from before and i'd be positive that's the problem
[20:02] <Paddy_NI> I feel confident that it'll work this time
[20:03] <brendand> Paddy_NI, you'll know pretty quickly as there'll be a lot more activity both on the console and the device
[20:07] <Paddy_NI> brendand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13479760/
[20:07] <Paddy_NI> grrr
[20:08] <Paddy_NI> Maybe I should try and find an android 4.x rom for this E4.5. I also remember having to use Windows in order to get that dreaded SP_Flash_Tool working
[20:09] <brendand> Paddy_NI, it works on ubuntu
[20:09] <Paddy_NI> I could never get it working
[20:10] <brendand> Paddy_NI, the command above works on my krillin but i had ubuntu on it previously. shouldn't really matter though..
[20:14] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps I'll revisit this tomorrow http://paste.ubuntu.com/13479819/
[20:14] <Paddy_NI> brendand: ^
[20:14] <wligtenberg> bought a slimport, can't wait to test the convergence stuff :D
[20:16] <Paddy_NI> brendand: I wonder if that flash tool is available in a ppa
[20:17] <brendand> Paddy_NI, no definitely not
[20:17] <Paddy_NI> brendand: Am I even running it correctly
[20:18] <brendand> Paddy_NI, i just use ./flash_tool.sh without sudo
[20:18] <Paddy_NI> I get permission denied there too
[20:30] <dobey> Paddy_NI: yes, you need to find the 4.4 rom for the e4.5
[20:32] <dobey> "Optimisation of operating system for upgrading to Lollipop."
[20:33] <dobey> Paddy_NI: i'm pretty sure that "2.0.1 firmware" is android 4.4
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> dobey: Sadly the will require Windows
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[20:34] <dobey> ? you should be able to flash using the mtk tool for ubuntu
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> Should
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> The Flash Tool just give me "Permission Denied"
[20:34] <dobey> oh
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> I have only ever been able to get it to work on windows
[20:35] <dobey> ok. i don't have a krillin here myself
[20:36] <Paddy_NI> That's no worries
[20:36] <dobey> so i can't offer much mor ehelp
[20:36] <Paddy_NI> I intend on kicking it's ass tomorrow
[20:36] <Paddy_NI> Thank you all for your help
[20:36] <dobey> np
[20:36] <Paddy_NI> Cheers popey brendand and dobey
[20:36] <Paddy_NI> Later
[21:00] <mterry> tedg, I'm looking at ubuntu-app-launch.  You seem to have gone to some lengths to keep very little state around (ubuntu_app_launch_observer_add_app_starting don't operate on a data structure, and don't seem prepared to be called multiple times).  And you also use dbus signals into the void (like UnityStartingBroadcast) instead of calling a method on a dbus name like com.canonical.Unity (despite expecting Unity to be the only one listening).  Wo
[21:00] <mterry> uld it be so terrible to call a method on unity?  (I'm looking at extending the handshake dance between UAL and Unity to allow unity to reject an app start -- so I am playing with the best way to get a response to UAL
[21:11] <mariogrip> dobey: I can make builds for devel-proposed (or rc-proposed) on my server if you want.
[21:11] <ahoneybun> hola mariogrip
[21:11] <mariogrip> Hey ahoneybun :)
[21:12] <ahoneybun> :)
[21:13] <dobey> mariogrip: hi. i'd actually like to get something set up to build on my server. i just don't know how to do it exactly
[21:18] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah,  just give me an ping if you need me
[21:18] <mariogrip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades
[21:20] <dobey> mariogrip: is there some way to use web hooks to for example cause my stuff to build new images, when certain channels on the official server get new images in them?
[21:28] <mariogrip> dobey: you can probably setup a webhook that run the build command
[21:29] <dobey> so the official server have webhooks?
[21:29] <dobey> or do i have to poll and parse the json?
[21:30] <mariogrip> I have a cron that run the import-images command
[21:30] <mariogrip> When there is no new images it just skips
[21:31] <dobey> ah
[21:31] <mariogrip> I have a cron every 2 hour
[21:40] <slvn_> leaving .. bye!