[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[03:50] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: two things, 1. no group admin in /etc/group, 2. syntax should be gpasswd -a <user> group
[03:51] <ximon> kamping_kaiser: group_add admin solved my problems with adept, but hope nothing else is similarly foobar'd
[03:51] <ximon> s/group_add/groupadd/
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks re gpasswd
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i suppose because of the expert install no admin group was created :|
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> if that hasnt helped you have to go to a higher authority then me. :(
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> try asking ubotu
[03:53] <ximon> okay, ta muchly, it has helped me for now, but if i encounter further problems i know where to go, brilliant, bye bye!
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[03:54] <chimaera> err, seems the zd1211 in breezy is faulty. upstream works..
[04:03] <itay> Why can't I check "enable latin layout" in "keyboard layout" in "kcontrol" in the new version of KDE?
[04:03] <Tm_T> itay: define "new version"
[04:03] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:04] <Tm_T> =)
[04:04] <itay> 3.4.3. In older versions it is possible to check this box.
[04:04] <Tm_T> itay: hmm, strange, so what layout you're using then?
[04:05] <itay> now I have 2 keyboard layout, English and Hebrew. in older versions I had 1 layout (Hebrew) with latin enable.
[04:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:05] <Tm_T> lemme check
[04:06] <Tm_T> you mean israel (il) ?
[04:07] <itay> right
[04:07] <Tm_T> itay: hmm, isn't basic that what you're looking for?
[04:07] <Tm_T> from variant
[04:08] <itay> but I need also to check the "latin" box to write in English too
[04:09] <gath> hello
[04:09] <gath> i have some problems with my cr.rom
[04:09] <gath> cd-rom
[04:09] <gath> it always hang oneself
[04:10] <_mindspin> does anybody know which packages dto install to get "system settings" in menu, I have nothing alike there
[04:10] <Tm_T> itay: I don't see any "latin" box?
[04:10] <gath> it works correct with kanotix and under windows
[04:10] <Tm_T> aaah!
[04:10] <Tm_T> sorry
[04:10] <gath> but not with the breezy
[04:10] <gath> it is a bug?
[04:11] <_mindspin> !/media
[04:11] <ubotu> _mindspin: Syntax error in line 1
[04:11] <_mindspin> !media
[04:11] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, _mindspin
[04:11] <itay> Tm_T, in "keyboard layout", under "main variation" and above "command" (there is a checkbox)
[04:11] <Tm_T> itay: yes, I see it now :p
[04:11] <itay> can you check it?
[04:11] <Tm_T> itay: it's heavily greyed out
[04:11] <itay> so what's to problem?
[04:11] <gath> any suggetions here?
[04:12] <_mindspin> gath: could be "media" related, there are some postings on that in the forum
[04:12] <Tm_T> itay: are you sure you have all "local" packages?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> locale
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> its an important E ;)
[04:12] <itay> Tm_T, no
[04:12] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: local as fi -packages for me ;)
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> itay: check it, adept have easy find capabilities
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about wireless
[04:13] <Tm_T> ubotu: remain silent
[04:13] <ubotu> Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:13] <Tm_T> ...
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[04:13] <Tm_T> silency never come in packets of five
[04:14] <_mindspin> gath: btw, got the same error here ;-)
[04:14] <gath> _mindspin: who is btw?
[04:15] <Tm_T> gath: "bytheway"
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:15] <Tm_T> or bothered too widely
[04:15] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:16] <Tm_T> err, need more coffee then :p
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[04:16] <itay> Tm_T, now I installed a few localization packges, I will restart KDE and come back here
[04:17] <DexterF> can Adept reinstall packages?
[04:17] <mornfall> not yet
[04:18] <mornfall> file a wish on bugs.kde.org please
[04:18] <DexterF> will do. and: I installed fglrx for my ATI card, but am stuck with MesaGL. what can I do there?
[04:18] <mornfall> so i don't forget to put it into 2.0 feature plan
[04:18] <mornfall> now, that's not my area of expertise
[04:18] <itay> Tm_T, is still doesn't work...
[04:19] <_johan> cannot install skype :-(
[04:19] <mornfall> sproingie: file them one by one =)
[04:19] <DexterF> Skype: an eBay... marketing tentacle
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol sproingie
[04:19] <sproingie> frankly, the only thing aptitude is sorely missing is search of description
[04:20] <_johan> no it is now a qt3 tentacle :P
[04:20] <DexterF> ever was
[04:20] <sproingie> i still can't understand ebay buying skype
[04:21] <nikkia> sproingie: aptitude has search by description
[04:21] <nikkia> sproingie: use / then type ~dwords to search for
[04:22] <_johan> when enough customers skypw will be only available for payed customers
[04:22] <sproingie> nikkia: i can't seem to make that work. got an example search string?
[04:23] <nikkia> sproingie: erm, search for 'shell' :)
[04:23] <nikkia> but its always worked here, its a tad slow tho
[04:23] <sproingie> there it goes.  huh, had problems first time
[04:24] <sproingie> spiffy.  aptitude is now perfect :)
[04:24] <_johan> but i got depency problems with libqt3-mt and another qt3c102-mt which i need for skype
[04:24] <nikkia> sproingie: its a feature i've relied on for the last year or so
[04:24] <nikkia> sproingie: so its just that you never bothered to read the man page :P
[04:24] <sproingie> no, i just kept missing it
[04:25] <sproingie> not quite perfect ... no super cow powers
[04:25] <nikkia> there's about 40 different ~ modifiers for search
[04:26] <nikkia> ~c is another useful one
[04:26] <nikkia> finds apps that have been uninstalled, but haven't been purged
[04:27] <sproingie> is there a way to narrow the selection to the search criteria?
[04:27] <nikkia> sproingie: i don't think so :/
[04:27] <Tm_T> itay: any luck?
[04:27] <itay> Tm_T, do you have any other suggestions?
[04:27] <Tm_T> :(
[04:27] <sproingie> wow ... amazing how much stuff i have in the c state
[04:27] <gath> to past something i have to use floox or ?
[04:28] <Tm_T> itay: sorry, no :(
[04:29] <gath> Kamping_Kaiser: what`s the name of the paste irc-channal?
[04:29] <sproingie> hm, i just tried to purge all those 'c' files with aptitude and it did nothing
[04:29] <itay> Tm_T, I'm trying to install some more packages that look connected
[04:30] <Tm_T> itay: ok
[04:30] <Tm_T> itay: if you got any success, let me know
[04:30] <itay> of course ;-)
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> gath: #flood
[04:30] <gath> thanks :-)
[04:31] <DexterF> gath: axpr.net is good when you dont wanna wait for peeps to join #flood
[04:33] <DexterF> umm. gtk-qt-engines has some bugs which aren't in cvs. file bug to? kde? kubuntu?
[04:34] <itay> no success yet...
[04:34] <raingrove> gtk-qt-engines always had alot of bugs , too many of them nearly impossible to fix
[04:34] <raingrove> does anyone have super large font size in adept?
[04:35] <Tm_T> raingrove: yup, because your "root"user settings have large fonts
[04:36] <itay> maybe other people know the solution
[04:37] <raingrove> Tm_T, i never logged in root at all
[04:37] <itay> does anyone know what can't I check the "latin layout" checkbox in "keyboard layout" in KDE 3.4.3?
[04:37] <itay> why*
[04:39] <Tm_T> raingrove: yse, that's why your root has default settings (=large fonts)
[04:39] <Tm_T> s/yse/yes
[04:39] <raingrove> :/
[04:40] <raingrove> so i have to create password for root
[04:40] <raingrove> log in
[04:40] <raingrove> set up fonts
[04:40] <raingrove> then log out
[04:40] <Tm_T> yup
[04:40] <Tm_T> or live with it
[04:40] <raingrove> alright i will try thanks Tm_T
[04:40] <Tm_T> I do
[04:40] <Tm_T> :(
[04:40] <Tm_T> and what if that doesn't work out? he will hang me...
[04:41] <Tm_T> please don't tell him I'm behind my desk when he comes back
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[04:42] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:45] <DexterF> I'd like to recompile Freetype2 with modifications. There's no package Freetype2 or so.
[04:45] <DexterF> what src should I get?
[04:46] <chi> DexterF: apt-get source freetype2
[04:46] <chi> well make that libfreetype6
[04:47] <DexterF> odd. thanks.
[04:47] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, you on breezy i386?
[04:47] <apokryphos> (actually, it doesn't have to be i386)
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes i am
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc even running an i386
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> i installed kde -- but i didnt like it, so removed it with apt-get remove kde* arts
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> is that the way to do it ?
[04:48] <chimaera> i'm having problems with my bluetooth mx900. works basically, but wheel and some buttons don't generate x-events
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, 686
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> now, how do i get the original usplash back ?
[04:48] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: could you run sudo apt-get build-dep amarok? Don't have to install anything.. just see if it cops out immediately?
[04:48] <craft4> can someone help me with kopete? i keep getting an error when i try to connect to ICQ "An unknown error has occurred and the connection has been closed"
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> also, my menu fonts are too big, reducing font size doesnt help
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> in gnome
[04:48] <specialbuddy> is there a new version of super karamba out
[04:48] <specialbuddy> ?
[04:48] <chimaera> da_bon_bon: no, that way won't get everything.
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> chimaera: then what way will be the best ?
[04:49] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: in the repositories? No. 0.37 is still in beta stages
[04:49] <specialbuddy> so what is the newest version on synaptic
[04:49] <chimaera> well to cover _everything_ would be removing qt, but there might be nonkde soft on your box using it, so be careful
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: id have to download kde ;)
[04:49] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: use aptitude, find the kubuntu-desktop package.  hit enter to find its dependencies.  remove all those
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: no. that will remove stuff like python and all too.. which will remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: nope -- no need to download anything (at all). Just see if it brings you to the screen with X packages need to be installed: y/n? (it doesn't for me... seeing if others have teh same problem)
[04:50] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: hm yeah, i guess it would do that.  you could try removing qt, see what that breaks, remove those
[04:50] <specialbuddy> apokryphos, is it .35?
[04:50] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: ok .. but i am keeping amarok and k3b .. no gnome alternative :)
[04:51] <specialbuddy> k
[04:51] <apokryphos> specialbuddy: or, in here: /msg ubotu info package
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> but the BADDEST thing is the fonts in gnome
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: yes, it got there, it even started dling, i checked :)
[04:51] <bpf> da_bon_bon, do you need the space or something? just install ubuntu-desktop and leave it there. they can co-exist
[04:51] <apokryphos> it shouldn't download without verification, but hmm.. gah, ok, thanks :)
[04:51] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: just schedule qt for removal, remove everything that breaks, then put qt, amarok, and k3b back
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> bpf: space ? i install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, and then removed it.
[04:52] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: you can do it without actually even removing those three packages
[04:52] <apokryphos> that will do nothing
[04:52] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: ok .. but problem is the fonts
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: isnt there a remove with depends option
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> ?>
[04:52] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: you're getting rid of everything because you don't like the default fonts?
[04:52] <specialbuddy> they have a new one for breezy apokryphos?
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/396427 <- it fails to dl because the server is off btw ;)
[04:52] <bpf> da_bon_bon, so your box is without an OS? i was assuming you were still in kubuntu, in which case you can simply install the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: no. because i didnt like kde.
[04:53] <specialbuddy> can I add breezy repositories even though I don't have breezy yet
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> bpf: i am on ubuntu. i installed kubuntu. then removed it. so now, i have gnome. whose fonts are screwed up. :)
[04:53] <bpf> specialbuddy, if you want to upgrade :)
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> and thats what i want to remedy
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: to be exact, ubuntu's kde :)
[04:53] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: there's no easy way to remove these big packages.  it's a problem with the way apt is made.  aptitude does better, but unless you installed the packages with aptitude, it won't help
[04:53] <specialbuddy> bpf, do I need to burn a cd in order to upgrade?
[04:54] <sproingie> if ubuntu used tasks, it wouldn't be as bad, but apt is still pretty one-way
[04:54] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: so you did hit yes :P. Ok, that's cool -- thanks. I seem to be the only one having this problem :P
[04:54] <specialbuddy> bdf, because I don't have an cd's right now
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: didnt install with aptitude. but i already think i removed the packages.
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> only these fonts
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> and usplash image
[04:54] <bpf> specialbuddy, nope, changing your apt source and doing an update/dist-upgrade will do it
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: :O ok
[04:54] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: though.. no kde??
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, gnome user
[04:54] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :OO
[04:54] <apokryphos> I never knew ;-)
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> closet gnome user ;D
[04:55] <apokryphos> closet kde user, I think ;-)
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> closet ?
[04:55] <specialbuddy> bdf, not really sure of how I do that
[04:55] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: secret
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:55] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: as in, loves kde but hasn't admitted it yet
[04:55] <specialbuddy> bdf, do I have to change something in source.list
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: oh ..
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> then i am kde lover on archlinux and gnome on ubuntu :
[04:56] <apokryphos> why not kde on ubuntu>?
[04:56] <bpf> specialbuddy, you would change /etc/apt/sources.list so that where it says 'hoary' will say 'breezy'
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i didnt like kde on ubuntu.
[04:56] <specialbuddy> k
[04:56] <bpf> specialbuddy, then you would do 'sudo apt-get update' so it reads the new repositories
[04:56] <specialbuddy> sounds easy enough
[04:56] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: how comes?
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: it includes gnome stuff in menus ..
[04:57] <bpf> specialbuddy, then you would do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to upgrade your entire system - this took about 2 hours for me :)
[04:57] <specialbuddy> really
[04:57] <specialbuddy> that's a pretty long time
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: and the basic LNF could make a big improvement
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> for example, the theme
[04:57] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: if you had gnome apps installed... then of course; anything different would be silly :/
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> and icons
[04:57] <bpf> specialbuddy, depends on your network connection. i was also doing it right when breezy was released, traffic may have died down some
[04:57] <sproingie> the basic kde lnf is going to be the same on any distro you use
[04:57] <specialbuddy> should I plug in rather then use wireless bpf
[04:58] <bpf> specialbuddy, if it's faster, yes
[04:58] <apokryphos> not using it on a distro because of the icons or style is a pretty poor reason guy ;-)
[04:58] <apokryphos> considering it takes seconds to change it
[04:58] <specialbuddy> kde is for me
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i know ..
[04:58] <specialbuddy> I don't like gnome
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> problem is ..
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> i jsut like ubuntu's gnome ..
[04:58] <sproingie> i find myself never really using a DE most times.  i don't even use multiple desktops
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> for some stupid reason, i just didnt like kde :(
[04:59] <bpf> specialbuddy, you can use any window manager once the system is installed
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> i cant explain why, though :)
[04:59] <bpf> i have tried gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, and e17
[04:59] <apokryphos> congrats
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> i know i am talking silly, though
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> bpf: *box is too minimalist for me
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> and other problem is
[05:00] <sproingie> ubuntu's gnome is pretty well packaged.  can't say i much like gnome but eh .. *shrug*
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> the MAJOR problem is
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> gtk-qt-engine f*cks my gnome
[05:00] <bpf> da_bon_bon, different strokes for different folks. some like all the menus, some like super minimalist setups
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> bpf: i like e17 of elive, though :
[05:00] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: gtk-qt-engine is a hack
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: yes, but when i log in to gnome, its all fucked up :(
[05:01] <bpf> da_bon_bon, what does that do? i can't remember
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> the theme. .
[05:01] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: gtk-qt has absolutely no affect in gnome
[05:01] <sproingie> i run it, works just fine, but i won't claim it works with everything
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: wrong.
[05:01] <apokryphos> nope
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> bpf: elivecd.org
[05:01] <sproingie> apokryphos: well it uses a qt theme for gnome
[05:01] <apokryphos> sproingie: not *in* gnome
[05:02] <sproingie> tho i can't figure out why someone would have gtk-qt and run the full gnome desktop
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: when i login to gnome, the selection rectangles, the menus, are blue.
[05:02] <sproingie> since it's really for kde users who like their theme
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> now what can cause that ?
[05:02] <Lous> apokryphos, gtk-gt affects gnome
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> Lous: :)
[05:02] <Lous> you have to rename a file
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> hey .. whats Xubuntu ?
[05:02] <bpf> enlightenment is supposed to be great, but I couldn't do simple things like add to the menus or even find some of my apps!
[05:02] <Lous> to get things back to normal in gnome
[05:02] <apokryphos> sproingie: been using Plastik for months now
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> which Lous ?
[05:02] <bpf> xubuntu uses xfce
[05:03] <da_bon_bon> Lous: if you tell me that, i wont ever remove kde :)
[05:03] <Lous> .gtkrc-2.0
[05:03] <sproingie> xfce was pretty nice when i used it last, but pretty bare
[05:03] <Lous> just rename this one
[05:03] <sproingie> not much more than a nifty panel and a wm
[05:03] <apokryphos> gtk-qt affecting things in gnome is... wrong; that should probably be reported
[05:03] <Lous> then restart gnome and everything is ok again
[05:04] <Lous> apokryphos, gtk-qt affect gnome themes
[05:04] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: wondering why you'd remove all of kde because of that and not just gtk-qt
[05:04] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: i suspect even removing kde may not help the gnome problem you're having.  possible that gtk-qt messed things up.  it ain't part of kde
[05:04] <apokryphos> Lous: gtk themes, yes.
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: that would remove kubuntu desktop .. and ..
[05:04] <Lous> yes, but as I said it is very easy to sort it out
[05:05] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: so? It's just a metapack
[05:05] <Lous> just rename .gtkrc-2.0 :)
[05:05] <apokryphos> you could create a dummy pack for it
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> well.. maybe i was prejudiced by arch linux's kde , apokryphos
[05:05] <sproingie> meta packages are very much one-way.  remove the metapackage, and nothing but it will be removed
[05:05] <sproingie> unless you used aptitude to install it
[05:05] <apokryphos> unless aptitude saves you!
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: thats what must be remedied
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> what does aptitude do ?
[05:05] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: that's apt for you
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75443 --> GREAT!
[05:05] <apokryphos> though metapacks are also useful for debfoster
[05:06] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: aptitude keeps track of which packages you installed by hand, and which were installed just to meet dependencies
[05:06] <apokryphos> (regardless of whether you used aptitude originally)
[05:06] <sproingie> da_bon_bon: when you remove the last hand-installed package that a dependency traces to, it removes that dependency too
[05:06] <matt_> apokryphos, how many mb is the breezy upgrade
[05:06] <da_bon_bon> thats great, sproingie
[05:06] <apokryphos> matt_: around 400 I'd say
[05:06] <matt_> k
[05:06] <da_bon_bon> Lous: do i rename or delete the file ?
[05:06] <matt_> not too bad
[05:06] <Lous> da_bon_bon, just rename it
[05:06] <Lous> lets say .gtkrc-2.0_BACKUP
[05:07] <apokryphos> matt_: you can find out without installing it, btw.
[05:07] <apokryphos> just run the command and don't hit Y, yet
[05:07] <sproingie> apt is not my favorite package manager in a lot of ways, but it's adequate
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> fine
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> also, how do i choose my splash ?
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> i want ubutnu's splash, not kubuntus
[05:08] <sproingie> apokryphos: indeed.  it sucks less
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> (because i can ;D)
[05:08] <sproingie> yum does support multiple arches, debian makes me use a chroot
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:08] <apokryphos> hott
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> and trash of kde desktop appears on gnome too
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> how to remedy that ?
[05:08] <bpf> sproingie, what is your favorite package manager?
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: what do you mean about arches?
[05:08] <sproingie> bpf: ports
[05:08] <bpf> is that gentoo?
[05:09] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: multiple architectures.  like i386 and x86_64
[05:09] <bpf> bsd?
[05:09] <sproingie> bpf: bsd
[05:09] <sproingie> portage is a gratuitous overcomplication of ports
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: yeh, but why do you want to download 64 on a 386? or have i missed the point?
[05:09] <sproingie> i hear packagesource is gradually replacing ports, but i don't know anything about it
[05:10] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: because i have an x86_64 system.  and sometimes i need a 32 bit package.  i have to run an entire new root to do this in debian
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, i see :(
[05:10] <matt_> so have people been having problems with breezy?
[05:10] <matt_> it seems like people love it and hate it
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> matt_: i dont have any novel hardware, but i have had no serious probs
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> how do i config apt to install suggested and recomended packs too ?
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> i am reinstalling kde
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> BUT also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:14] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: use aptitude
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> thats ok ..
[05:15] <sproingie> people actually use the menu?
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> BUT also, how do i make menu entries independant ?
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> sproingie: yes :)
[05:16] <sproingie> anything i need quick access to i put on the panel
[05:16] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: you don't need to ask like a million times. We hear ya
[05:16] <apokryphos> sproingie: /me never uses it
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> :)
[05:16] <apokryphos> waste of time
[05:17] <sproingie> kde will grab everything it can to build its menus first time it runs.  just delete anything you don't want
[05:17] <sproingie> you can actually edit the menu in kde
[05:17] <apokryphos> and thanks to the most amazing super hyper cool smeg project, you can in gnome too!
[05:18] <sproingie> yep.  and gnome continues to innovate by removing the 'run' entry from the menu
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> right.
[05:18] <apokryphos> i.e. someone posted screenies of smeg in development, and people repsonding with "/me drools". :/
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> but i dont want to waste time seeding each and every stuff.
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> and making it independant
[05:18] <apokryphos> could be a gnome-thing that I wouldn't understand 8)
[05:18] <sproingie> apparently, desktop nirvana will be when there is only one setting and you can't change it
[05:18] <apokryphos> sproingie: it did?
[05:19] <apokryphos> that's silly; then again, I don't use it.. waste of time. Alt+f2
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: exacly, no one uses it ;)
[05:19] <sproingie> apokryphos: yep.  they say you can use alt-f2 instead.  which is of course obvious to everyone, right?
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> i will figuyre some hack
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> reinstalling kde
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> cya guys ..
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> ttfn
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> will bug ya later :)
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> ;)
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[05:20] <apokryphos> I discovered it by always using Start -> Run command. Much later found out the Alt+f2 (because of irc)
[05:20] <sproingie> i use the windows settings because meta-d is quite convenient for me
[05:20] <sproingie> nice clean desktop.  and unlike windows, restoring one window from meta-d doesn't restore them all
[05:21] <bpf> alt-F2 will get you the 'run' menu in either KDE or gnome
[05:21] <bpf> ah, that was already mentioned :)
[05:21] <apokryphos> everyone knows :P
[05:21] <sproingie> tho i think it's like that in windows by design, you're supposed to use meta-m to get the expected behavior
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> because meta has this funny logo on it :|
[05:22] <sproingie> don't think i even have it mapped to a real meta key either
[05:22] <sproingie> used to in emacs, i stopped bothering
[05:23] <sproingie> they make some nice keyboards actually
[05:23] <sproingie> or more to the point, they brand some nice keyboards
[05:23] <apokryphos> I like this one; keys depress just as I like 'em to
[05:23] <sproingie> wish i could get the scroll wheelie on the keyboard to work tho
[05:24] <apokryphos> I really hate some MS keyboards though
[05:24] <apokryphos> they have a tendency to make the more expensive ones super chunky
[05:24] <nikkia> only issue i have with MS keyboards, is the fn-lock stuff
[05:24] <nikkia> logitech is just as guilty tho
[05:24] <apokryphos> a small standard, nice-typing one does it for me
[05:24] <sproingie> i have no problem with fn-lock, it's on by default
[05:25] <nikkia> sproingie: hmmm, its always been off by default on the keyboards i've used
[05:25] <nikkia> which is why its so annoying
[05:25] <sproingie> nikki_a: maybe the setting is just sticky.  all i know is i never have to hit that key
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its off on my board as well
[05:26] <nikkia> sproingie: never been 'sticky' on any i've used, always resets to 'off' on boot
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> but after 3 years hte habit it to boot up and hit the key ;)
[05:26] <nikkia> which is annoying if you have to hit a F key to get to the bios
[05:26] <sproingie> huh.  not on mine.  maybe they fixed it
[05:27] <sproingie> what annoys me is how the arrangement of the keys just above the arrow keys seems to be more or less random with each manufacturer and model
[05:27] <sproingie> the placement of the home/end/insert/etc keys
[05:27] <sproingie> mine's got an extra-tall delete.  which is actually kinda nice, but no other keyboard does it
[05:28] <nikkia> sproingie: ever seen belkin's joke of a keyboard?
[05:28] <sproingie> nope
[05:28] <nikkia> it has a 'mute' button thats about 2" tall
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:30] <nikkia> you can't see from the photo, but:  http://images.belkin.com/F8E829-BNDL/FUL1_F8E829-BNDL.jpg
[05:30] <nikkia> ou can only just make out that the mute button is different from the rest
[05:31] <nikkia> and yes, no sticky/off-by-default fn-lock
[05:31] <nikkia> we have one at work, its the only USB keyboard we have, which is a shame, because we're always short of keyboards, and it feels 'wrong' plugging a ps2 keyboard into a 2600 video terminal while its powered on :P
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:33] <schuma> buena.. algunos de uds saben que tipo de fuente tiene el logo de ubuntu???
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> !wtf
[05:33] <ubotu> wtf do you mean, kamping_kaiser ?
[05:33] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: see how it has an extra row of 3 keys above insert/home/page-up ?
[05:33] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: those 3 'useful' keys are 'shutdown' 'logout' and 'sleep' real handy having them nice and close to hit by accident
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahahaha
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> handy :D
[05:37] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[05:50] <iface> hey guys
[05:50] <iface> it there anybody who can help me with my bluetooth dongle?
[05:50] <iface> it was recognized from kubuntu, but now i can change anything in the systemsettings ...
[05:52] <chimaera> iface: i get an dcop error when trying to access the bt module of kcontrol..
[05:54] <DexterF> I'd like to upgrade gtk-qt-engine with cvs version. someone know a good howto regarding deb pakcage management?
[05:55] <iface> i get no error... it only nothing happens if i try to configure it in system settings... pressing the admin button, entering the pw, but nothing changes ...
[05:56] <Tm_T> DexterF: what you need to know?
[05:56] <Tm_T> DexterF: you can just reomve that old one and compile&install new one
[05:56] <DexterF> Tm_T: well. I got the src, and there is sucha a packagein kubuntu. how build it myself and replace the one from kubuntu
[05:57] <DexterF> the install part is tricky. how do I generate a deb?
[05:57] <Tm_T> ah
[05:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:57] <Tm_T> you don't have to generate deb
[05:57] <Tm_T> you can always just compile and use "make install"
[05:57] <Tm_T> but, generating deb isn't that bad idea
[05:58] <aaronmh> anybody have dvd success with Kubuntu 5.10?
[05:58] <DexterF> make install? how am i supposed to keep track of changes? how should I archive packages?
[06:00] <Tm_T> yup
[06:01] <Tm_T> as I said, generating deb isn't that bad idea
[06:01] <Tm_T> I do compile stuff daily
[06:01] <DexterF> yes. I'd use checkinstall for now, but that's a little sloppy
[06:01] <Tm_T> and use "make install"
[06:02] <iface> why does nothing happens when i am triny to access system "settings -> bluetooth -> paired bluetooth devices" via admin mode?
[06:02] <DexterF> um, opera keeps complaining about missing motif, can't find anywhere. where is it?
[06:03] <nikkia> DexterF: motif is commercial, you probably want 'lesstif' which is a free re-implementation of motif
[06:04] <_michael> HI all- I've installed Kubuntu Linux (first attempt at Linux) i'm pleased with it so far
[06:04] <apokryphos> excellent :)
[06:05] <_michael> It has a really SA-Weet GUI
[06:05] <_michael> runs on KDE now instead of GNOME
[06:05] <iface> does anybody know how to manage files via bluetooth on my mobilephone?
[06:06] <apokryphos> _michael: good decision ;-)
[06:06] <antti> I just switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu... wanted to install Mandriva 2006, but it does NOT work with MSI 865PE-Neo2 motherboard, have several computers running with this mobo
[06:06] <_michael> Thanks for the supoort :)
[06:06] <antti> Kubuntu runs really well... needed a lot of the help of alien to install all the software :D have everything as RPM-packets
[06:07] <nikkia> iface, if you have the kde obex stuff installed (part of kdebluetooth) you should have a 'send to.../bluetooth device' option in konqueror
[06:07] <nikkia> iface, there is no standard obex methodology for implementing a file browser access to a remote bluetooth device though, thats something that each manufacturer (if they do) do differently
[06:08] <nikkia> some manufacturers DO support ftp over obex, tho, so you could theoretically use konqueror there, but i have no idea how you'd set it up, or what you'd type in konqueror to access it
[06:08] <_michael> Woe - I see I have a LOT to Learn about his OS
[06:09] <iface> nikkia, but there are some standart services such as obex filepush which are standart. isnt there an standart protocol to get files from the phone?
[06:09] <nikkia> iface, no
[06:09] <bpf> any vmware users in here?
[06:09] <nikkia> nokia use their own protocol for implementing the 'browse via bluetooth' in windows, for example
[06:10] <nikkia> bpf: yes
[06:10] <bpf> i cannot seem to run vmware as my user, but using sudo it works
[06:10] <nikkia> bpf: that is... odd
[06:10] <chimaera> any ideas wh hidd is not started by default?
[06:11] <iface> nikkia, i can connect the phone via usb, but nothing happens ...
[06:11] <nikkia> iface, do you have kdebluetooth running ?
[06:11] <iface> yeah
[06:11] <iface> it found the found, and i am connected
[06:11] <iface> i can send files to the phone too ...
[06:12] <nikkia> iface, then what more do you expect?
[06:12] <iface> to get files from the phone ...
[06:12] <nikkia> iface, you cannot, there is no standard way of doing it, each manufacturer does things their own way
[06:13] <DexterF> what packages has the KDE headers?
[06:13] <nikkia> DexterF: kdelibs-dev ?
[06:14] <apokryphos> kde-devel
[06:14] <jjesse> anyone having any problems w/ open office.org 2 base crashing everytime they create a form from a table?
[06:15] <DexterF> nikkia: no such package
[06:16] <apokryphos> DexterF: install kde-devel
[06:21] <Tm_T> mr aseigo I presume
[06:22] <aseigo> yes
[06:22] <chimaera> is there any reason why hidd is not started by default and the switch to hci is disabled in /etc/init.d/bluez-utils?
[06:23] <DexterF> "bonobo developement packages" - didnt find any bonobo dev package or sumsuch. pointers?
[06:24] <DexterF> there was a command for installing all packages required to build a package - something like apt-get build-dep or so - was it apt?
[06:25] <jjesse> what package do i need to install to get odbc and mysql connection working w/ open office?
[06:26] <robert_> an apt-get update give following on my system
[06:27] <robert_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:27] <robert_> W: GPG error: http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:27] <robert_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:29] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30149
[06:29] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: thanks :)
[06:31] <CellarDoor> anyone home
[06:32] <bpf> nope, i'm at work
[06:33] <CellarDoor> I've upgraded to breezy and I don't understand what is going on with Kaffeine now with gstreamer... I'm trying to play a dvd and I'm getting this error:
[06:33] <CellarDoor> gstmpeg2dec.c(755): handle_slice: /internal_thread/decoder/mpeg2dec1:
[06:33] <CellarDoor> libmpeg2 reported invalid buffer 0x830373c
[06:33] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: is it an encrypted dvd?
[06:33] <CellarDoor> yep
[06:33] <philipacamaniac> have you reinstalled libdvdcss2 ?
[06:33] <bpf> the libdvdcss2 package is not in the breezy repositories
[06:34] <CellarDoor> reinstalled ? you mean since I upgraded ? yes.
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> yeah, you have to google for it, or search on Ubuntu forums
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> oka
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> have you tried kaffeine-xine?
[06:34] <CellarDoor> not since I upgraded
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> I can't get dvd's to work with gstreamer either
[06:34] <CellarDoor> oh
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ok, so reinstall xine ?
[06:35] <philipacamaniac> no, install kaffeine-xine
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ah ok
[06:36] <CellarDoor> yeah, gstreamer seems a real hassle...
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> agreed
[06:36] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:36] <CellarDoor> everything worked fine before... except certain windows media 9 stuff
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> I have a 5.1 speaker setup, and xine actually lets me use it from Kaffeine and amaroK
[06:36] <philipacamaniac> gstreamer... no go as far as I can tell
[06:37] <CellarDoor> ok installing kaffeine-xine
[06:37] <CellarDoor> thanks :)
[06:37] <philipacamaniac> np
[06:37] <CellarDoor> hey, I like the new system settings Mac ripoff ;)
[06:37] <CellarDoor> and I like Adept too
[06:38] <philipacamaniac> well, good that someone likes them. I like them too, but I believe we're a small minority.
[06:38] <CellarDoor> really ?
[06:38] <philipacamaniac> die hard KDE fans prefer kcontrol
[06:38] <CellarDoor> Adept is much better than Kynaptic
[06:39] <philipacamaniac> yes, but "not as good as synaptic"
[06:39] <philipacamaniac> It works for me
[06:41] <CellarDoor> a gnome user was lauding it over me when I mentioned that kaffeine was using gstreamer... I'll have to tell him what happened and that I'm now using xine
 die hard KDE fans prefer kcontrol < this thing really sucks
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> kcontrol or system settings?
[06:41] <frank23> well kcontrol and system settings use the same modules so they really are the same thing with a diferent layout
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> frank23: exactly!
[06:41] <CellarDoor> frank23: yes
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> and the new layout is more logical.
[06:41] <auke> Hi, I am trying to make NFS work on my system. At the moment it works fine in a wired situation. Wireless the performance is poor (ca. 10 KB / min). Does NFS through wireless need special configuration?
[06:41] <CellarDoor> yep
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> auke: data filesharing through wireless is slow in any environment
[06:43] <philipacamaniac> remember that 11Mb stands for 11 megabits, not 11 megabytes
[06:44] <rysiek> hello evrybody
[06:44] <CellarDoor> aaah... much better... it works now :D
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: xine is our friend
[06:44] <rysiek> is talking about Skype considered here as faux-pas?
[06:44] <rysiek> :)
[06:44] <CellarDoor> ok... first impressions of a n00b (being me): gstreamer sucks
[06:44] <auke> philipacamaniac, I really mean '10 KBbytes / min'. So something is really not right with my NFS over wireless.
[06:45] <CellarDoor> philipacamaniac: Yes it is :D
[06:45] <rysiek> OK, I suppose not, then :D
[06:45] <rysiek> maybe someone will get interested:
[06:45] <philipacamaniac> auke: that is extraordinarily slow - have you tested performance using Samba?
[06:45] <rysiek> I have done a wee bit of testing
[06:46] <rysiek> installed the *.deb from skype com
[06:46] <rysiek> in breezy
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: first impressions from someone who has been on Linux for a while: gstreamer sucks.
[06:46] <rysiek> it starts, it logs in
[06:46] <rysiek> when I start a voice conversation with Echo
[06:47] <rysiek> and I cancel it afterwards
[06:47] <rysiek> the next time I try to talk to Echo I get "hardware problem"
[06:47] <rysiek> I have to restart skype
[06:47] <rysiek> OK, thought I, we'll try to repair the package
[06:48] <puckman> HELP
[06:48] <puckman> lol
[06:48] <puckman> In Kopete I found this option to hide the menu bar
[06:48] <puckman> so now its hidden
[06:48] <rysiek> we repaired the package
[06:48] <rysiek> installed it
[06:48] <puckman> how can I unhide it?
[06:48] <rysiek> -> the same
[06:48] <CellarDoor> philipacamaniac: hehe
[06:48] <puckman> ?
[06:48] <rysiek> BUT I have dled the tar.bz2 package from skype.com
[06:49] <rysiek> untared it, run skype from it and... it workes!
[06:49] <auke> philipacamaniac: No, I didn't try SAMBA. When NFS over wireless did't work fine, I tried a wired connection, and that went fine. I'll try SAMBA to compare.
[06:49] <rysiek> ok, great, now when I have tried to put the binaries in /usr/bin and all the necessary files (from this tarball) on their places in the system
[06:50] <rysiek> so that it would be *almost* like skype installed from deb
[06:50] <rysiek> and I started skype from /usr/bin
[06:50] <rysiek> the problem came back
[06:50] <rysiek> wtf?
[06:50] <rysiek> any ideas? :)
[06:52] <rysiek> the question is: why does the_same_skype_binary, gotten from the tarball, work great when started from the folder the tarball was untared to, but has a bug when it is started from /usr/bin?
[06:52] <rysiek> just tickling your brains, going to write this to (k)ubuntu forums right now
[06:55] <puckman> Ok, anyone here use Kopete at all?
[06:57] <bpf> puckman, gaim always works for me
[06:58] <CellarDoor> kaffeine is playing nice now... me is happy
[06:58] <rysiek> puckman
[06:58] <puckman> Yeah but I really like Kopete
[06:58] <CellarDoor> puckman: I use kopete
[06:58] <rysiek> I think i have a solution for you :)
[06:58] <puckman> It is a very nice program
[06:58] <rysiek> aye
[06:58] <CellarDoor> yeah I like it
[06:58] <puckman> I was just checking out all the features.
[06:58] <bpf> how is it different/better than gaim?
[06:58] <rysiek> try Settings -> Toolbars
[06:58] <puckman> Found this thing called hide menu
[06:58] <puckman> so I did
[06:58] <puckman> and its gone
[06:58] <rysiek> there, check the first entry
[06:59] <rysiek> Ah
[06:59] <rysiek> the menu, not toolbar :)
[06:59] <rysiek> puckman: open the kopete window and hit Ctrl-M
[07:00] <puckman> rysiek: YOU SIR
[07:00] <puckman> are a star
[07:00] <puckman> thanks, was driving me nuts
[07:00] <puckman> I do love it though, much nicer than gaim
[07:00] <puckman> apart from lacking file transfer
[07:01] <rysiek> :]
[07:01] <rysiek> you're welcome
[07:01] <inventas> how do i install jave software ???????????????????
[07:02] <inventas> how do i install java software ???????????????????
[07:02] <puckman> I'm also playing with the themes, make a nicer one.
[07:02] <puckman> Sure love KDE, you can see that a lot of work went into it
[07:03] <CellarDoor> hey folks, to get smooth dvd playback I always have to type "sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd"... as a n00b I'd like to know what 'startup' file thingy I can put this in so my system does this when I start up
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> inventas: cool your beans (pun intended), check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:04] <wincide> hi , i'm looking for breezy backports ...
[07:04] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:05] <wincide> can someone give me some ?
[07:05] <CellarDoor> ah thanks philipacamaniac
[07:05] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: but you don't put that command in
[07:05] <CellarDoor> oh...
[07:05] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: just follow the examples in the file
[07:05] <CellarDoor> ok
[07:06] <bpf> wincide, AFAIK there is not a backports for breezy
[07:06] <wincide> AFAIK?
[07:07] <CellarDoor> brb
[07:07] <wincide> sorry, i dont understand all the english i need xD
[07:07] <rysiek> AFAIK = As Far As I Know
[07:07] <wincide> :)
[07:07] <wincide> thx
[07:08] <philipacamaniac> No backports for Breezy until Dapper development gets going
[07:12] <Cellar|brb> philipacamaniac: so... I just uncomment one of the sample ?
[07:12] <Cellar|brb> *samples
[07:13] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: sure, or write in your own based on the examples. all you really need it the dma = on.
[07:13] <CellarDoor> yep
[07:14] <Pixels-> man, im so angry.
[07:14] <Pixels-> =x
[07:14] <CellarDoor> so I could get away with simple putting dma = on at the end
[07:14] <CellarDoor> nothing else needed ?
[07:15] <wincide> i have another problem.. :S
[07:15] <wincide>  GPG error: http://kubuntu.org hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[07:15] <wincide> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[07:15] <robert_> I've the same problem today
[07:15] <robert_> but a little bit diff
[07:15] <Pixels-> your keys may have been corrupted
[07:15] <CellarDoor> ah I have that, but its not really a "problem"
[07:15] <Pixels-> check the directory that holds the key.gpp file or whatever its called
[07:16] <Pixels-> and see if there is a backup
[07:16] <Pixels-> you can just delete the new one, rename the old one.
[07:16] <robert_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:16] <robert_> W: GPG error: http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:16] <robert_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:16] <Tm_T> robert_: topic
[07:16] <robert_> what can I do about that?
[07:16] <Pixels-> oh yeah, check the topic
[07:16] <Pixels-> lol
[07:17] <robert_> Tm_T: ?
[07:17] <robert_> is that the gpg error
[07:17] <wincide> i dont know how to resolve that
[07:17] <robert_> I thougth thats the kmail gpg error
[07:17] <Pixels-> you have to wait
[07:17] <Tm_T> robert_: yes
[07:17] <Tm_T> no, you have to ignore it
[07:17] <Tm_T> it's just warning
[07:17] <Pixels-> yeah you can still get packages
[07:17] <Pixels-> it will just warn they are unverified
[07:17] <wincide> wait ?
[07:17] <wincide> until ?
[07:17] <robert_> ah ok
[07:18] <Pixels-> you can wait for the fix, or you are safe to still apt-get install
[07:18] <Tm_T> wincide: no need to wait, as I said
[07:18] <wincide> ok :)
[07:18] <CellarDoor> I got that in relation to an addittion I made to my sources list (marillat)... I'll just comment it out when I've finished getting my plugins sorted
[07:19] <philipacamaniac> CellarDoor: sorry, just saw your message - you would add this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/396559 to the end of the file
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> (regarding hdparm)
[07:20] <CellarDoor> ah ok thanks philipacamaniac
[07:22] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:23] <CellarDoor> greetings :)
[07:23] <\root\menza> Hey
[07:25] <brosioz> how could i log all the query with kopete ?
[07:27] <rysiek> update on skype:
[07:27] <bpf> so I'm having some issues running vmware 5.5 beta. it installed fine, but now it will not let me power on my virtual machine unless I am root/sudo
[07:28] <bpf> i found some forum help regarding permissions, but the problem remains
[07:28] <rysiek> d/l suse *.rpm from skype.com, alien, dpkg, works great
[07:28] <Tm_T> :(
[07:29] <Ayiden> Last night I MANUALLY downloaded everything you could possibly need for kernel compilation etc... It took a while to get all the dependencies right and now most things are installed. However I have come to an interesting WALL. I need the package libx-ext-dev... Alot of files just wont install without it... Now libxext-dev needs x11pronto-xext-dev which in turn needs libxi-dev WHICH NEEDS LIBXEXT-DEV!!! So with out libxext-dev libxi-dev wont install an
[07:29] <Ayiden> Is there a command that would allow me to enforce an install?
[07:29] <Ayiden> What should I do now *(lol)
[07:30] <Ayiden> ha ha ha
[07:30] <Ayiden> im sure there is a simple solution
[07:30] <CellarDoor> egads !
[07:31] <Ayiden> just dont know what it is... im guessing theres a force command?
[07:31] <bpf> apt-get -f install
[07:31] <bpf> -f is to force
[07:31] <Ayiden> could I use dpkg because I cant use apt-get yet.. I cant go online *(lol)
[07:31] <Ayiden> or can I use apt-get to install it off of my computer
[07:31] <Ayiden> okay
[07:32] <Ayiden> so would dpkg -f work also?
[07:32] <Ayiden> bpf: would dpkg -f work also?
[07:32] <bpf> not sure, but I know you could use a local repository or cd in your apt/sources
[07:33] <Ayiden> okay.. what folder is the apt-get repository file at?
[07:33] <Ayiden> I forgott
[07:33] <Ayiden> Alright thanks alot
[07:34] <Ayiden> Ill go try that
[07:34] <bpf> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:34] <Ayiden> okay ^.^
[07:34] <Ayiden> thanks
[07:34] <paelscrit> what in the hell
[07:35] <paelscrit> this clock will not keep my local time no matter what i do
[07:36] <helpme> how stable is kubuntu breezy?
[07:36] <jjesse> helpme: really good been using it since release
[07:37] <bhna> hal for media and gpg for kmail is broken
[07:37] <philipacamaniac> but fixes are on the way
[07:37] <helpme> jjesse: is it faster than hoary in anyway?
[07:37] <paelscrit> the klock applet is terrible
[07:37] <bhna> where are the fixes?
[07:37] <venda> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <venda> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[07:37] <new324> hi All, I download the kubuntu 5.10 DVD, how can I use it only live CD
[07:37] <venda> anyone getting
[07:37] <venda> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:37] <new324> I dont want to install HDD
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> bhna: they should come from the official breezy-updates repo
[07:38] <paelscrit> bhna: adept updater i believe
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> new324: boot to the DVD, and type "live"
[07:38] <apokryphos> venda: please do not flood the channel; read the /topic
[07:38] <venda> is security repo borked?
[07:38] <new324> when I boot from CD, I cant see any option for live CD
[07:39] <paelscrit> setting should be set by default
[07:39] <paelscrit> new234 thats not a live cd
[07:39] <tenco> what do i need to install to use gnupg with kmail? kmail says the backend's missing
[07:39] <bhna> apokryphos: ?
[07:39] <apokryphos> bhna: hm?
[07:39] <philipacamaniac> tecno: see topic
[07:39] <bhna> apokryphos: flood the channel?
[07:40] <new324> paelscrit I download "PC (Intel x86) install/live DVD"
[07:40] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok
[07:40] <apokryphos> bhna: yes
[07:40] <new324> what is the mean of Live DVD
[07:40] <paelscrit> i dont know
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> new324: if you downloaded the dvd, just boot up with it in the drive, and type "live" at the boot prompt (without quotes)
[07:41] <tenco> are there any tetex3 packages for ubuntu?
[07:41] <paelscrit> maybe it is then
[07:41] <new324> yes I download DVD, thanks philip
[07:42] <bhna> tenco: this is my question too?
[07:42] <bhna> anybody know tetex 3 packages for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> search over at packages.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <kkathman> greetings apokryphos  :)
[07:43] <bhna> philipacamaniac: there are only the 2.0 packages
[07:43] <kkathman> greets to you too philipacamaniac  :)
[07:43] <apokryphos> hola kkathman
[07:43] <philipacamaniac> :)
[07:44] <kkathman> apokryphos: isnt it true that apt-get does NOT validate dependencies, per se.
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> bhna: looks like 2 is the only packaged version available. grab the source and compile it; its pretty easy.
[07:45] <apokryphos> kkathman: depends on what you mean by validate
[07:45] <bhna> philipacamaniac: not for me :-(
[07:45] <apokryphos> it checks depends of package X where you select X for installation; but that doesn't mean you can't still have problems from bad packaging 8)
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: I.e. for instance, apt-get wont always report what is necessary to install something...I think it does its best, but I have had times when I had to resolve these myself
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/current/distrib/tetex/rc-3.0.tar.gz
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: ok thats what I thought
[07:46] <apokryphos> kkathman: those will almost certainly be down to bad packaging, rather than apt itself.
[07:46] <kkathman> apokryphos: yep exactly ...thanks :)
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> oops ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/current/distrib/tetex-src-3.0.tar.gz
[07:47] <rysiek> not that anybody cares, but another update on skype:
[07:47] <rysiek> everything works fine as long as skype CAN NOT play it's sounds (like hangup.wav)
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> rysiek: yeah a question about that - is there an ubuntu-specific deb? or were you trying the native debian deb?
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> how do i get the original usplash theme back ?
[07:47] <rysiek> P: nope
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: installed kubuntu again :D
[07:48] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok. self-compile :)
[07:48] <rysiek> i have tried:
[07:48] <CellarDoor> yeah I never get sound with skype
[07:48] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: why?
[07:48] <rysiek> no, you cant
[07:48] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: got bored, I presume 8)
[07:48] <rysiek> skype is closed-source
[07:48] <DexterF> CellarDoor: Skype for reasons beyond us still uses OSS
[07:48] <rysiek> P: you can iether:
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: why ? i discovered that i really removed it only because it messed my gnome
[07:48] <helpme> any INDIANS here???
[07:48] <rysiek> 1. get the *.deb from skype.com
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> and as lous suggested, i maanged to solve it, apokryphos
[07:49] <CellarDoor> DexterF: OSS ? open sound system ??
[07:49] <rysiek> and install it as is
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> helpme: i am indian. whatsthe problem ?
[07:49] <rysiek> you will get an error, but it'll work
[07:49] <DexterF> CellarDoor: yup. try aoss skype, mabye that helps
[07:49] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: reinstalling should never be an option, really, on Ubuntu/Linux
[07:49] <Pixels-> lol
[07:49] <apokryphos> unless you're really bored and enjoy it that much
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: now, i wont ..
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> btw one Q
[07:49] <rysiek> 2. you can get the deb and repair it (search the ubuntuforums
[07:49] <rysiek> )
[07:49] <Pixels-> only reinstall linux when 1) your bored 2) changing distros 3) hell freezes over
[07:49] <kkathman> apokryphos: Im getting a little paranoid I think...I have run adept almost daily since I installed breezy back on the official release date, and havent had one update.  Is that possible?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> does kde auto detect whether net is activated or no ?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> for me it did
[07:49] <Pixels-> or 4) your kernel decides it wants you to cry
[07:49] <rysiek> 3. you can get an rpm and alien it
[07:50] <helpme> da_bon_bon: hey nothing dude....can u give me a copy of kubuntu breezy from u....do u stay in india??
[07:50] <rysiek> 4. you can d/l dynamic or static binary and use it
[07:50] <tenco> philipacamaniac: ok. self-compile :)
[07:50] <DexterF> how do I install a self-compiled package if dpkg bitches about conflicts?
[07:50] <kkathman> Pixels-:  LOL
[07:50] <apokryphos> kkathman: updates would take time to get in; now's the time you'd expect the least updates ever -- the final is out
[07:50] <Pixels-> dkpg -i --force-overwrite
[07:50] <rysiek> tenco: do you have skype's sources? give me some! :)
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> brb
[07:50] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: not kde, but ubuntu
[07:50] <apokryphos> well, if you activated dhcp
[07:50] <kkathman> apokryphos: I'd expect that too, but with hoary, there was a short time after the release I was updating things rather daily for about 3-5 days
[07:50] <Pixels-> try that DexterF
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: activated dhcp ? have i ? :)
[07:51] <Pixels-> afk
[07:51] <apokryphos> kkathman: once the breezy-updates repo is up you'll likely get a few
[07:51] <kkathman> apokryphos: must have been a great job!!
[07:51] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: network autoconfiguration -- did you select that on install?
[07:51] <kkathman> ahh ok
[07:51] <DexterF> Pixels-: ok... will have to figure how to generate the deb only but not install with checkinstall...
[07:51] <apokryphos> kkathman: well, not entirely unfortunately; see /topic
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: i dont remeber .. its long back .. hoary to breezy here :D
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> now, how do i get the original splash back ?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> blue shows up bad on my 4-color 640x480 FB :(
[07:53] <bpf> da_bon_bon, why do you care about the splash screen sooo much?
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> bpf: why souldnt ?
[07:53] <CellarDoor> egads, its much later than I thought it was
[07:53] <CellarDoor> I'm off to bed
[07:53] <CellarDoor> nite
[07:54] <kkathman> apokryphos: are you referring to the HAL and GPG??  Im afraid I have no idea what those are and if I need to update them!
[07:54] <bpf> da_bon_bon, just seems trivial since it shows briefly upon boot and it doesn't really _do_ anything useful
[07:54] <apokryphos> kkathman: yup, those. HAL handles the automounting and bringing up media:/ stuff
[07:54] <bpf> da_bon_bon, there is a lot better eye candy than the default splash screen
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> bpf: briefly ? on my piii 550mhz it takes LONG to startup :)
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> bpf: like ?
[07:55] <apokryphos> well, the media:/ part is of course down to kde, but relies on HAL, I'm sure
[07:55] <bpf> da_bon_bon, themes, applets, gdesklets, to name a few
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> bpf: err .. ok
[07:55] <bpf> da_bon_bon, you could leave it booted
[07:55] <bpf> or do you dual boot to windows
[07:55] <kkathman> apokryphos: when I go to that page, tho, it just seems to take me to a global install of kubuntu
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> bpf: my dad frequently reboots into win xp .. to do his work
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> ican use hibernate
[07:56] <bpf> da_bon_bon, ah, not much you can do about that
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> but kde doesnt have an option to hibernate
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> s/kde/kubuntu
[07:56] <bpf> da_bon_bon, yes it does
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> where ?
[07:57] <chimaera> hi.
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> as it is, it blanks the screen, and i dont use acpi, so i dont know when to switch off the pc, so hibernate wont work wonders too, bpf
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> maybe i'll compile a kernel using suspend2
[07:57] <bpf> I've only seen it on my laptop installation, but I've never looked for it my workstation
[07:57] <chimaera> is there a way to add filesystems to the "disk and filesystems" kcontrol module?
[07:58] <bpf> da_bon_bon, what takes so long on  boot? is it trying to get a DHCP address or something?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> bpf: that, and my system is hell slow .. piii 550mhz
[07:59] <bpf> piii, 550mhz shouldn't take too terribly long; any others in here on older hardware?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> older than me ?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> i doubt :D
[07:59] <bpf> you would be suprised
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> i think not ..
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> though i have heard of people using pi s
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> errr .. no way to access ubuntu faq guide from within help center ?
[08:00] <helpme> where has the unofficial kubuntu FAQ for breezy gone???
[08:00] <tenco> i cannot import mail into kmail, the menu-entry is grayed out
[08:01] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: which faq?
[08:01] <apokryphos> helpme: /topic
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: the faq guide
[08:01] <apokryphos> very descriptive
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> so, 1 - no way to change splash ? and 2- no way to get faq guide ?
[08:03] <helpme> but its not for breezy.but hoary!
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> helpme: well .. whats the problem, dude ?
[08:04] <apokryphos> helpme: the faq guide, being unofficial, is handled by a third-party. Contact him.
[08:05] <helpme> da_bon_bon: dude i mean to ask: will the hoary kubutnu FAQ work for breezy too?
[08:05] <apokryphos> jjesse: you here?
[08:05] <helpme> apokryphos: then is there any official guide?
[08:05] <jjesse> apokryphos: whats up?
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> helpme: well .. there is an official ubuntu faq guide !
[08:05] <apokryphos> helpme: check the docs provided
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> how do i get icons on desktop ?
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> trash, system ?
[08:06] <jjesse> there is not an official kubuntu faq guide just offical about-kubuntu and kubuntu-release notes
[08:06] <apokryphos> jjesse: hi; can patches be done for breezy. Reading through the Release notes and noticed quite a few lil' things :D
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> oh ok, jjesse
[08:06] <jjesse> apokryphos: sure we can change the release notes
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> helpme: in that case, refer to ubuntu faq guide
[08:07] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: faq guide will be for the next release along with some other docs as i ifnish them
[08:07] <apokryphos> jjesse: ok, I think I'll make a patch and send it over to you =)
[08:07] <jjesse> da_bon_bon:  you can always help :P
[08:07] <jjesse> apokryphos: thanks
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> jjesse: sure will! just tell me how :)
[08:07] <helpme> hmmm
[08:08] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: that's great the best part is to start at the doc team page in the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepQuickGuide)
[08:09] <pax> hmm I had to read that twice, looked like fag guide ...
[08:09] <helpme> hey there are lots of new unknown packages to download from berlios site!
[08:09] <apokryphos> like?
[08:10] <helpme> well they've got long names too:)
[08:10] <apokryphos> jjesse: damnit, can't find the svn source again; gonna knote it this time ;-)
[08:10] <jjesse> da_bon_bon:
[08:10] <jjesse> da_bon_bon: actually start here :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted
[08:10] <helpme> where can i find a howto for enabling repos for breezy?? for things like jre, w32codecs etc..
[08:10] <jjesse> apokryphos: let me grap it ;)
[08:11] <jjesse> apokryphos: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/
[08:11] <helpme> :(
[08:12] <helpme> where can i find a howto for enabling extra repos for breezy?? for things like jre, w32codecs etc..
[08:14] <apokryphos> helpme: not in repositories (unless you use blackdown java)
[08:15] <helpme> apokryphos: for w32codecs, bacports etc.??
[08:15] <apokryphos> helpme: but you can get them from different location. Probe ubotu's brain... /msg ubotu factoid
[08:15] <\root\menza> Where would I be able to get themes for the ubuntu GUI?
[08:15] <helpme> i dunno how to provoke ubotu....newbie here
[08:17] <apokryphos> helpme: I just told you
[08:17] <apokryphos> MenZa^: for..kde?
[08:18] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Yep :d
[08:18] <apokryphos> kdelook.org is the best place
[08:18] <MenZa^> ta
[08:19] <helpme>  is there a nice KDE-looking theme for Ubuntu?
[08:19] <Ayiden> Okay, well this is becomming quite an annotance..
[08:20] <Ayiden> I have 3 packages THAT NEED EACHOTHER to work
[08:20] <Ayiden> so I cant install one because it needs th other and so on and so forth
[08:20] <Ayiden> -.-
[08:20] <Ayiden> I cant use apt-get eithor ha ha
[08:20] <Ayiden> because I need these packages
[08:20] <MenZa^> These bar things and widgets etc. are all part of KDE, apokryphos?
[08:21] <Ayiden> how do you install a package without apt-get (well force install) but also have it configured as well
[08:21] <apokryphos> MenZa^: which bar things/widgets?
[08:21] <Ayiden> because the packages need configured so that the others will work and install properly *(lol)
[08:22] <Ayiden> can anyone help?
[08:22] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Some of the things you can find on KDE-LOOK.org, like http://kdelook.org/content/pre1/29713-1.png
[08:23] <kblin> hi
[08:23] <apokryphos> MenZa^: that's a metabar for Konqueror
[08:23] <MenZa^> Oh, right
[08:23] <MenZa^> Haven't got it installed yet (Ubuntu)
[08:23] <MenZa^> And I know zilch about linux :d
[08:23] <apokryphos> yup, but you can install it for yourself
[08:23] <MenZa^> I don't intend to use Konq
[08:23] <MenZa^> I'll be using Firefox
[08:23] <MenZa^> :)
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: the rute tutorial is a good place to start
[08:24] <MenZa^> Oh? Link me :D
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: you will surely be using it as a file manager, I'd presume
[08:24] <apokryphos> (and the meta-bar only appears in file-management mode)
[08:24] <apokryphos> !rute
[08:24] <ubotu> I heard rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[08:24] <apokryphos> MenZa^: for KDE, I'd recommend every user to first go through the KDE Userguide to really get the most out of their KDE
[08:25] <apokryphos> !kuserguide
[08:25] <ubotu> well, kuserguide is at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html
[08:25] <MenZa^> Thanks
[08:25] <MenZa^> So KDE is external from Ubuntu?
[08:25] <MenZa^> Or does it come along with it?
[08:26] <kblin> while installing 5.10, I notice that the lines the console has was misdetected, ergo, the lower part of the installation menus is missing. Any idea how to fix this?
[08:27] <apokryphos> MenZa^: KDE is the Desktop Environment that Kubuntu uses
[08:27] <MenZa^> Kubuntu.. I see...
[08:27] <apokryphos> the two biggest desktop environments are GNOME and KDE (of which KDE is the more popular one)
[08:28] <MenZa^> Yeah, I heard about both
[08:28] <slow-motion> re
[08:28] <MenZa^> Killer Desktop Environment and GNOME
[08:28] <MenZa^> :d
[08:28] <apokryphos> :P
[08:29] <MenZa^> How does Kubuntu differ from Ubuntu?
[08:30] <Ayiden> How can I force them to install but at the same time have them configure as well?
[08:30] <apokryphos> MenZa^: by having KDE as the default desktop environment
[08:30] <MenZa^> That's all
[08:30] <MenZa^> ?
[08:30] <apokryphos> yes
[08:30] <MenZa^> I guess I can install KDE to Ubuntu then?
[08:30] <apokryphos> if you don't think that's a big difference though, well, you haven't understood :P
[08:30] <apokryphos> MenZa^: of course
[08:31] <MenZa^> apokryphos: Explain :\
[08:31] <MenZa^> God, I feel stupid
[08:31] <MenZa^> Just briefl
[08:31] <MenZa^> Just briefly*
[08:31] <apokryphos> read the guides =)
[08:31] <MenZa^> Okay :d
[08:32] <MenZa^> I guess Ubuntu uses Gnome then?
[08:32] <apokryphos> yes
[08:32] <MenZa^> k
[08:32] <MenZa^> Aww, I hate command lines :(
[08:33] <AlisonW> but there *is* Kubuntu ... ;-P
[08:33] <AlisonW> KDE front-ended (as, indeed, what I am using herewith!)
[08:33] <MenZa^> Kubuntu uses less command lines :d?
[08:34] <AlisonW> none, so far ..
[08:34] <MenZa^> O...k...
[08:34] <MenZa^> Then what is http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/windows-how-to-work.html?
[08:35] <AlisonW> :: reads :: ... complicated!
[08:36] <MenZa^> The LiveCD is for.. what?
[08:36] <AlisonW> the only "issue" I've found so far is that graphics handling (or rather graphics *card* handling) appears to be problematic .. I can't get a decent refresh rate
[08:36] <MenZa^> I feel like such a dumbfuck
[08:36] <CellarDoor> speaking of graphics cards
[08:36] <AlisonW> shoot ...
[08:36] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure which driver I need for my nvidia fx5200
[08:36] <CellarDoor> is it on the repositories ?
[08:37] <bengross> hey my system isnt accepting the root password :(
[08:37] <AlisonW> Anyone here want to own up to being techie enough to understand the question? lol ...
[08:37] <CellarDoor> which question ?
[08:37] <CellarDoor> mine ?
[08:38] <bengross> k3b cannot find cdradao
[08:38] <MenZa^> What''s the live cd for?
[08:38] <apokryphos> bengross: install it
[08:38] <bengross> when i go to networking and it asks for root password, i type it in and nothing happens
[08:39] <bengross> when i type sudo su, password it works
[08:40] <CellarDoor> can anyone help me with my nvidia ?
[08:40] <Pixels-> CellarDoor: what do you need help with?
[08:40] <Pixels-> nvidia drivers?
[08:41] <apokryphos> bengross: why would you ever type sudo su?
[08:41] <Pixels-> lol@apokryphos
[08:41] <bengross> k3blibs is already the newest version
[08:41] <CellarDoor> Pixels-: yes
[08:41] <Pixels-> sudo su is redundant...
[08:41] <Pixels-> lol
[08:41] <bengross> i dont know, when i type su, password it doesnt work
[08:42] <bpf> apokryphos, Pixels- how do you become root?
[08:42] <bpf> it is not redundant
[08:42] <CellarDoor> thats coz your supposed to type "sudo [password] "
[08:42] <apokryphos> !tell bpf about root
[08:42] <CellarDoor> oops
[08:42] <apokryphos> bpf: yes, it is
[08:42] <CellarDoor> sudo [whatever]
[08:42] <CellarDoor> then type password then it asks for it
[08:42] <bpf> in ubuntu you are not supposed to have the root password, so su alone should not work
[08:43] <bengross> in mandrake you can type, su
[08:43] <bengross> then password
[08:43] <apokryphos> good for them
[08:43] <Pixels-> CellarDoor: did you check the forums on how to install the nvidia drivers
[08:43] <Pixels-> you also need to make sure you have the nvidia kernel modules enabled
[08:43] <bengross> i type su 'password'
[08:43] <bengross> it didnt work
[08:43] <CellarDoor> Pixels-: ah no, sorry :$
[08:43] <bpf> apokryphos, explain please. if you dont' know the root passwd, how do you su to root?
[08:43] <bengross> says unknown id
[08:43] <bengross> only sudo su
[08:43] <bengross> works
[08:44] <Pixels-> np. i always suggest checking the forums
[08:44] <bengross> i am the admin, i should know the password
[08:44] <CellarDoor> bengross: just use "sudo"
[08:44] <apokryphos> bpf: read your PM from ubotu
[08:44] <Pixels-> just type in like sudo apt-get update
[08:44] <bpf> apokryphos, i know about root and root in ubuntu. thanks for being so helpful
[08:44] <Pixels-> if you are in the sudoers group, you dont need to type the password in
[08:45] <Pixels-> or type in sudo su
[08:45] <Pixels-> its redundant
[08:45] <apokryphos> bpf: clearly not, since you wouldn't be asking that question if you did
[08:45] <bpf> apokryphos, sudo will only run a command as root. bengross is asking about becoming root
[08:45] <bengross> i cant install cdrdao it says k3b library already installed
[08:45] <Pixels-> you need to go in and change the root password, isnt it scrambled by default?
[08:46] <apokryphos> bpf: evidently didn't read the page I linked you to
[08:46] <apokryphos> you should use sudo -s
[08:46] <bengross> sometimes when i login there is no sound
[08:46] <bengross> sometimes there is
[08:46] <Pixels-> bengross: alsaconf is your friend
[08:47] <Pixels-> possible IRQ confliction maybe too.
[08:47] <bengross> last time i booted it froze
[08:47] <Pixels-> try running alsaconf in console
[08:48] <bengross> i cant find audacity in the list of available programs
[08:48] <bpf> apokryphos, evidently you don't understand the difference between running a single command as root and becoming the root user. there is a difference and AFAIK the only way to become root in ubuntu is with sudo su. I am simply asking if you know another way. sudo -s is not it
[08:48] <Pixels-> why would you wanna run as root anyways
[08:48] <Pixels-> sudo is good enough for novice to intermediate users.
[08:48] <Pixels-> you would only need root to do more advanced things.
[08:49] <bengross> i needed to install progams
[08:49] <apokryphos> bpf: if you wanted to *become* root and not just root privs, then you'd su. But again, there's pretty much no reason for you to do this
[08:49] <bengross> and mount drives
[08:49] <bengross> i still need my wireless to work
[08:49] <apokryphos> bpf: and yes, of course, sudo -s takes you into a root shell
[08:49] <qos> where can i add new screen resolutions if i am using the fglrx driver? the screeen resolution of my screen is not in the list ...
[08:49] <bengross> madwifi
[08:49] <bpf> i never run as root as I can do everything with sudo. but bengross asked how to _become_ root
[08:49] <Pixels-> apokryphos: i just dont think they understand they don't need to run as root.
[08:49] <apokryphos> probably
[08:50] <apokryphos> all explained very clearly on the wiki
[08:50] <Pixels-> i never use root
[08:50] <Pixels-> sudo/sux all the way
[08:50] <Pixels-> much safer, and easier in my opinion
[08:50] <Pixels-> sudo is great once you get used to it.
[08:50] <bengross> so i type in sudo apt-cache search?
[08:50] <nikki_a> and there's always sudo -s/sudo -i :)
[08:50] <bengross> every time
[08:50] <Pixels-> yes, sudo -s sudo -i are great :)
[08:50] <bpf> my apolgies, sudo -s is exactly like sudo su. that is all i was trying to figure out. that and help bengross a bit
[08:51] <nikki_a> i have a root account on my PC, still *very* rarely login as root, usually sudo -i on one shell
[08:51] <apokryphos> bengross: no sudo required for apt-cache search
[08:51] <Pixels-> the only time apt requires root is install/removal/configures
[08:51] <bengross> well i cant find audacity
[08:51] <pospeselr> I've a question about hplip in kubuntu 5.10
[08:52] <Pixels-> hmm, i think im going to give kubuntu install 1 more chance
[08:52] <Pixels-> i just wish I knew why it says my HD is bigger than it is.
[08:52] <Pixels-> causes problems in the partition tables. :(
[08:53] <Pixels-> ever hear of that problem apokryphos?
[08:53] <Pixels-> it only happens in ubuntu/kubuntu intalls for me.
[08:54] <Pixels-> ive tested with debian/mepis/pclinuxos/fedora/madriva/xandros
[08:54] <Pixels-> oh and knoppix
[08:54] <Pixels-> all recognize the harddrive correctly.
[08:54] <apokryphos> Pixels-: weird; if it really does, that's a bug and you should consider reporting it
[08:54] <apokryphos> Windows tells me mine is smaller than it is, which causes problems too
[08:54] <Pixels-> already working on the report for bugzilla
[08:54] <Pixels-> :)
[08:54] <bengross> do i have to change my sources?
[08:55] <Pixels-> just trying to collect as much info as I can before I submit
[08:55] <bengross> cannot burn, i/o error
[08:56] <Pixels-> i ran outta cd's or I'd try an older kubuntu/ubuntu release
[08:56] <bengross> what is the gui for installing packages?
[08:56] <Pixels-> im still waiting for my ubuntu cd's to get mailed out lol
[08:56] <Pixels-> is it true they send you 10 sets?
[08:56] <Pixels-> lol
[08:56] <qos> where can i add new screen resolutions if i am using the fglrx driver? the screeen resolution of my screen is not in the list ...
[08:57] <jjesse> Pixels-: yes you can get 10 sets of cds but if i recall they are ubuntu cd's not kubuntu
[08:57] <Pixels-> jjesse: i know
[08:57] <jjesse> unless they changed shipit so you can select them
[08:57] <Pixels-> i said ubuntu
[08:57] <bengross> how do i install packages from the gui?
[08:57] <jjesse> i have warty and hoary disks @ home
[08:57] <Pixels-> nope, shipit doesnt have kubuntu cd's yet
[08:57] <Pixels-> qos: run the fglrxconfig again
[08:57] <bengross> when i go to network settings and type password, nothing happens
[08:57] <Pixels-> and enter in the correct resolutions
[08:57] <Pixels-> make sure you enter in the right horizontal/vertical freq's
[08:58] <apokryphos> they already waste like a zillion by having seperate live/install CDs
[08:58] <Pixels-> you can www.google.com your monitor, if you need exact specs
[08:58] <jjesse> apokryphos: yes there should be
[08:58] <Pixels-> or you can have it auto config it.
[08:58] <Pixels-> apokryphos: a nice install menu on the live cd would be nice
[08:58] <Pixels-> like Mepis has
[08:58] <Pixels-> and other debian distro's
[08:59] <apokryphos> totally agree, but there are problems with it apparently
[08:59] <Pixels-> yeah, sometimes there are error's mounting the drive correctly
[08:59] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[08:59] <Pixels-> causing the install to hang.
[08:59] <Pixels-> ive experienced this with a few distro's with livecd/install scripts.
[09:00] <lwells> how can i tell if i am running on Breezy
[09:00] <Pixels-> uname -a
[09:00] <Pixels-> ?
[09:00] <apokryphos> lwells: cat /etc/issue
[09:00] <Pixels-> oh okay, thats something i didnt know :)
[09:00] <bengross> network settings crashes
[09:00] <lwells> thanks pixels
[09:00] <Pixels-> :)
[09:00] <Pixels-> oh wait
[09:00] <Pixels-> my suggestion worked
[09:00] <Pixels-> DAMNIT
[09:01] <lwells> actually apok did too
[09:01] <Pixels-> well, still...  my nerdness was correct.
[09:01] <Pixels-> :P
[09:01] <lwells> I am finally upgraded
[09:02] <lwells> my first linux upgrade
[09:02] <Spudchat> can gnome and kde both be installed ?
[09:02] <tenco> how can i install kile without tetex-bin?
[09:02] <jjesse> anyone else having speed issues w/ the wiki its god awful slow :(
[09:02] <tenco> i compile it myself?
[09:03] <Pixels-> Spudchat: there can be problems.
[09:03] <bpf> Spudchat, yes
[09:03] <bengross> nobody answers me
[09:03] <Pixels-> Spudchat: since kubuntu is based off of debian sid, I know there can be problems in sid with both gnome/kde
[09:03] <kblin> ok, so what the heck is that supposed to be?
[09:03] <Pixels-> im not sure how that is in kubuntu though
[09:04] <apokryphos> Spudchat: they can live in perfect harmony, yes.
[09:04] <kblin> I never was asked a root password in the installation, and now I can't log in as root
[09:04] <apokryphos> !tell kblin about root
[09:04] <Pixels-> since there is a 6 month gap when ubuntu syncs with debian sid
[09:04] <Spudchat> hmm thats a wide range of answers
[09:04] <Pixels-> Spudchat: most likely it will work fine.
[09:04] <bengross> help!
[09:04] <Pixels-> If installing one wants you to remove alot of pacakges, then the answer is now.
[09:04] <Pixels-> :)
[09:05] <Pixels-> now = no.
[09:05] <kblin> ok, thanks
[09:05] <kblin> annoying, though
[09:05] <Pixels-> i tried to install gnome on debian sid, with KDE installed
[09:05] <Pixels-> it wanted me to remove every package installed.
[09:05] <apokryphos> Pixels-: they work fine together
[09:05] <Pixels-> apokryphos: thats good to know :)
[09:05] <Spudchat> im not doing much anyway...just basic things and my next question is where are the repositories i need to add?
[09:05] <apokryphos> no idea bout deb sid
[09:05] <Pixels-> im more of a kde/e17 kind of person though
[09:05] <apokryphos> Spudchat: for...?
[09:05] <Pixels-> debian sid hurts me emotionally.
[09:05] <Pixels-> :)
[09:06] <Spudchat> adding kde to ubuntu sorry
[09:06] <apokryphos> Spudchat: nothing; they share the same repositories
[09:06] <czert> hi
[09:07] <Spudchat> ill try it out thanks
[09:07] <czert> how can i add terminal on desktop...
[09:07] <Pixels-> apokryphos: you see how nice e17 looks compaired to e16
[09:07] <Pixels-> its like upgrading from dos, to windows
[09:07] <Pixels-> lol
[09:07] <apokryphos> indeed
[09:07] <apokryphos> still very lacking though 8)
[09:08] <Pixels-> yeah, but a big step forward
[09:08] <Pixels-> if they keep at it, could become a real contender
[09:08] <czert> please...how can i add terminal on desktop?
[09:08] <czert> without window..
[09:08] <Pixels-> you want a console, embedded into the desktop?
[09:09] <czert> hmm i think yes
[09:09] <czert> if its what i mean...
[09:10] <Pixels-> czert: www.google.com
[09:10] <czert> something like this
[09:10] <czert> http://www.linuxsoft.cz/screenshot_img/53-a.jpg
[09:11] <czert> yeah but what to search for?
[09:11] <Pixels-> okay, let me look
[09:11] <Pixels-> thats kinda easy to do
[09:11] <czert> i wouldnt ask if i know...
[09:11] <Pixels-> open up konsole
[09:11] <czert> i am beginer..
[09:11] <Pixels-> remove border, remove scroll bar
[09:11] <Pixels-> enable transparency
[09:11] <Pixels-> save default
[09:11] <czert> how to remove border?
[09:12] <Pixels-> click on the window bar of the konsole
[09:12] <czert> that what i didnt know
[09:12] <larard> Hi I've just installed and need to reconfigure x.org. Is there a kubuntu way, or should I just dive in and edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:12] <Pixels-> right click i mean
[09:12] <Pixels-> larard: xorgconfig
[09:12] <Pixels-> or sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <Pixels-> :)
[09:12] <larard> Pixels-: :)
[09:12] <Pixels-> or if you have an ATI card, do fglrxconfig
[09:12] <_sarah> x86_specific.c: In function 'x86_mmx_TrueColor_32_to_16':
[09:12] <_sarah> x86_specific.c:107: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'
[09:13] <_sarah> i am getting error when i try and "make" a program
[09:13] <_sarah> any idea why?
[09:13] <Pixels-> _sarah: sorry nope :(
[09:13] <Pixels-> www.google.com
[09:13] <_sarah> it does ./configuree just fine
[09:13] <larard> Pixels-: I notice that this time nvidia drivers seem to be installed. So I just need to substitute nvidia for nv, right?
[09:13] <Pixels-> nv correct
[09:13] <Pixels-> i believe
[09:13] <Pixels-> nv .. yeah that sounds right
[09:13] <larard> Pixels-: Thanks.
[09:13] <Pixels-> np
[09:13] <Pixels-> let me know
[09:14] <larard> Pixels-: will do.
[09:14] <_sarah> does anyone know where i can get a .Deb package of WindowMaker for kubuntu?
[09:14] <Pixels-> im so helpful to a distro i cant run
[09:14] <Pixels-> _sarah: check the repositories
[09:14] <_sarah> the what?
[09:14] <Pixels-> apt-cache search twm
[09:14] <pospeselr> I'm running from a server install of kbuntu 5.10, and have installed hplip, foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, and foomatic-db-engine.
[09:15] <pospeselr> I can print a test page and I can print from kate
[09:15] <King_Brad> okay, i ran that apt-get command, what am i looking for?
[09:15] <kblin> where's the grub.conf?
[09:15] <pospeselr> but when I try to run the "Printer Toolbox" (HPLIP Toolbox) it claims that I don't have a hp device installed
[09:15] <Pixels-> kblin: /boot/grub
[09:15] <Pixels-> or just in /boot
[09:15] <Pixels-> i forget
[09:16] <_bengross> hey
[09:16] <_bengross> my wireless is working now
[09:16] <Pixels-> _bengross: congrats
[09:16] <_bengross> everything keeps crashing
[09:16] <_bengross> whenever i run a settings program it crashes
[09:16] <czert> :( i still cant find out how to remove border...
[09:16] <pospeselr> also, when I try to restart the cups server from the printer manager gui, it claims that it can't restart because a cups server isn't urnning
[09:16] <kblin> Pixels-: I don't see a grub.conf in /boot/grub/
[09:16] <Pixels-> open up the kde menu
[09:16] <czert> i cant find it..
[09:16] <Pixels-> search files
[09:16] <Pixels-> grub.conf
[09:17] <Pixels-> are you trying to edit the menu.list file ?
[09:17] <pospeselr> however, when I /etc/init.d/cupsys restart it goes without a hitch or error
[09:17] <larard> Pixels-: xorgconfig doesn't seem to be installed. Well the install is too fresh to do a locate, at least. Can you give me the path?
[09:18] <_bengross> how can i tell if its warty breezy or hoary?
[09:18] <kblin> Pixels-: nope, I'm trying to get my console fixed
[09:18] <csko> hi i wonder if someone could tell me, why cant i use numeric keys(numpad, /, minus, plus) in Kubuntu 5.10
[09:18] <csko> it works in terminal 1, but not in kde
[09:18] <Spudchat> so i just install the kubuntu packages and away i go?
[09:19] <spiral> hi
[09:20] <kblin> Pixels-: find / -f grub.conf -type f didn't find anything
[09:21] <Pixels-> kblin: sorry i never messed with that file before
[09:21] <Pixels-> larard: hmm
[09:21] <Pixels-> larard: apt-cache search xorg
[09:21] <Pixels-> or do it in synaptic
[09:21] <Pixels-> or whatever package manager you want
[09:22] <Pixels-> hate to do this, but i must go
[09:22] <Pixels-> with any luck, ill be back in kubuntu
[09:22] <larard> Pixels-: dpkg -S reveals xorgconfig.py
[09:22] <Pixels-> lol
[09:22] <Pixels-> that could be
[09:22] <larard> Pixels-: Cheers anyway!
[09:22] <Pixels-> sorry couldnt help more :(
[09:22] <Pixels-> ill bbl
[09:22] <_bengross> how do i change my apt-cache sources to online sources?
[09:25] <_bengross> whats a good package manager?
[09:26] <robin> _bengross: synaptic
[09:26] <kblin> looks like my install fscked up hard
[09:26] <kblin> maybe another time
[09:36] <MenZa^> What's the LiveCD for?
[09:37] <slow-motion> n8
[09:40] <pospeselr> I'm having trouble with cups in Kubuntu
[09:41] <coruja> Menza^: a live cd boots from your cd-rom only without touching any hard drive, so it's great for showing off or if your system on hard drive doesn't boot...
[09:41] <pospeselr> whenever I try to use the GUI in the print manager to change the settings of the CUPS server it tells me:
[09:41] <pospeselr> "Connectin to CUPS server failed.  Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running.  Error: connection refused."
[09:41] <MenZa^> coruja: So if I'm new to linux, would it be a good idea to download that too?
[09:41] <coruja> Menza^: yes, exactly
[09:42] <MenZa^> Okay, will do when I'm done buurningKubuntu :d
[09:42] <coruja> if you're not sure if to install or not, take a look first with the live-cd
[09:43] <snugglemonkey> I pulled in koffice, but can't seem to find "kexi"   Am I looking in the wrong place?  I can't seem to find it in adept either?
[09:43] <pospeselr> I've apt-get installed hplip (which includes cupsys), foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, foomatic-db-engine
[09:44] <coruja> snugglemonkey: kexi - tool for manipulating database objects in KDE3 <-- it's in the repos
[09:45] <snugglemonkey> coruja: what did you search for to find that?  I scroll down to the "k's" and I don't see it in order?
[09:45] <King_Brad> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:45] <King_Brad> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:45] <King_Brad> any idea what that means or how to fix it?
[09:45] <isai> how do I get the trash can to show up on the desktop?
[09:45] <coruja> snugglemonkey: console -> apt-cache search kexi
[09:46] <snugglemonkey> hm, coruja seems like it should show up in adept, no?
[09:46] <coruja> it should, yes
[09:47] <coruja> maybe not all the repo sections enabled?
[09:47] <coruja> (main restricted universe multiverse)
[09:48] <snugglemonkey> coruja: perhaps I should manage the repositories in adept.
[09:49] <coruja> snugglemonkey: better check your /etc/apt/sources.list 'by hand', it's really simple
[09:50] <snugglemonkey> coruja: I suppose that I wouldn't be doing a good job of testing adept if I did that?
[09:51] <coruja> i don't know exactly if adept can already edit the sources.list file
[09:52] <coruja> ah, you can :)
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> yes, doing it now...
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> but apparently, kexi is supposed to be included with the koffice release.
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> ...in kubuntu
[09:52] <snugglemonkey> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[09:53] <coruja> hmm, i don't know either, but it would make sense...
[09:54] <snugglemonkey> coruja: yes, this is odd...  Koffice shows as installed, but kexi is no where to be found.  :(
[09:54] <coruja> maybe any filters left active that keep kexi out of the showed list?
[09:55] <snugglemonkey> nope, not afaik
[09:55] <snugglemonkey> oh well.
[09:55] <coruja> hmm, i haven't koffice installed, and i can find kexi as by apt as by adept
[09:56] <snugglemonkey> perhaps I did not apply mirror changes.
[09:56] <coruja> it's in universe
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> viola!
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> there it is...
[09:58] <coruja> ok :)
[09:58] <snugglemonkey> eeven though it is supposed to be in koffice.
[09:59] <coruja> i've looked for koffice's package details, kexi isn't included within this metapackage
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php -- coruja
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KDE Windows Screenshot
[10:00] <snugglemonkey>  KDE Windows Software on the Live CD
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KOffice 1.4 and Kexi
[10:00] <snugglemonkey> KOffice 1.4 is now included in the main repository. This lightweight but powerful office suite includes Kexi, a powerful database frontend.
[10:00] <coruja> hmm
[10:01] <snugglemonkey> heh, mispaste
[10:01] <King_Brad> can i safely uninstall ( remove package ) kwin without it messing up KDE?
[10:01] <King_Brad> or is it required?
[10:03] <coruja> King_Brad: just try, if there are dependencies, you'll be asked if to really remove those packages
[10:04] <King_Brad> WindowMaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running
[10:04] <King_Brad> well the reason i ask, is because when i try to start window maker i get the error
[10:04] <King_Brad> that
[10:04] <King_Brad> and i think the other manager is kwin
[10:05] <coruja> then try to kill the kwin process if you're sure about that, no need to remove the package itself
[10:05] <King_Brad> hrm
[10:06] <King_Brad> good idea
[10:06] <King_Brad> thanks
[10:06] <coruja> np
[10:06] <King_Brad> can i do a certin command to find that process's ID?
[10:06] <crimsun> pidof <process name>
[10:06] <coruja> ps aux | grep kwin
[10:07] <King_Brad> got it
[10:07] <King_Brad> AWSOME!
[10:07] <King_Brad> thanks guys!
[10:08] <coruja> crimsun: thx, i'm also still learning :)
[10:17] <icewt> what should i install for kaffeine to play most videos?
[10:17] <crimsun> enable universe and install kaffeine-xine
[10:18] <icewt> crimsun, i did actually, but i hear no sound :(
[10:19] <icewt> is there something i should install for the sound to work? (trying to watch mpg2)
[10:21] <crimsun> not that I know of. It should "just work."
[10:21] <icewt> :(
[10:21] <Hobart> Anyone had problems with xfonts-konsole Linux font for Konsole under Breezy?
[10:24] <coruja> icewt: i made the experience that 'fiddling' with kmix (the sound settings/switches) solved this for me, after that i had sound for audio and video without installing any extra codecs (exept ms and real of course)
[10:24] <Corvus> is there any repository list for breezy ?
[10:24] <icewt> coruja: hm..
[10:25] <coruja> Corvus: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <RyNSki> Anyone dealt much with Plucker here?
[10:27] <sampan> has anyone gotten skype to work on kubuntu breezy?  i installed the .deb package from skype's website with no errors, but when i try to run it, it comes up in the taskbar and then goes away silently ... :( no joy
[10:27] <kkathman> afternoon all :)
[10:28] <czert> hi
[10:28] <icewt> coruja, what did you do with kmix then? just pushed every button etc.?-)
[10:29] <coruja> icewt: yes, kind of this
[10:29] <czert> my programs which i installed wont open...why? they are just opening but never open...
[10:29] <Hobart> I can't get the Konsole Linux font working -- using Kubuntu Breezy on 3 machines (2 i386, 1 PPC) - I have enabled bitmap fonts in fontconfig, and updated the fontconfig cache.  Anyone know any other steps I can take?
[10:30] <Corvus> thx coruja
[10:31] <czert> i am using kubuntu breezy and it drive me crazy
[10:31] <coruja> icewt: i've just taken a look and see that on the output tab the green light fpr pcm is on
[10:31] <coruja> s/fpr/for
[10:31] <apokryphos> czert: that good eh? ;-)
[10:31] <czert> hh
[10:31] <czert> apokryphos i dont understand...
[10:31] <apokryphos> it rocks my socks too
[10:32] <czert> on hoary 5.04 it didnt do this
[10:32] <czert> so
[10:32] <czert> for example
[10:33] <apokryphos> you probably didn't upgrade properly
[10:33] <czert> i have installed program-bluefish
[10:33] <kkathman> czert: I have to say that I've had no probs in my upgrade to breezy so far
[10:33] <czert> and now when i want to open it...
[10:33] <czert> it is just loading then nothing happens
[10:34] <humbolto> gpg fixes still not available?
[10:34] <kkathman> czert: however, I did a hoary install clean, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so I didnt install kubuntu as others did.
[10:34] <czert> can it be caused because i am running kubuntu on older compiuter?
[10:35] <czert> or another example
[10:35] <czert> i have just installed program aegis...and the same...when i want to run it nothing happens
[10:36] <czert> or somethimes when i want to run adept manager it doesnt run...
[10:38] <kkathman> czert: certainly sounds as if your upgrade didnt go well, did you follow all the pre-upgrade preps listed in the BreezyUpgradeNotes?
[10:38] <czert> i have installed it by typing: alien -i in console...
[10:39] <kkathman> brb
[10:46] <_jason> hello
[10:46] <_jason> I just installed kubuntu
[10:46] <_jason> changed my root password in recovery mode
[10:46] <kkathman> back, sorry I had to reboot so that it would recognize my winbox
[10:46] <_jason> when kdesu asks for my root password, it says its incorrect, but when I su in a terminal it says its right, and lets me in
[10:46] <_jason> anyone know what's wrong?
[10:46] <apokryphos> yes
[10:47] <_jason> yes?
[10:47] <_jason> please help
[10:47] <apokryphos> _jason: read what kdesu says to you when it comes up 8)
[10:47] <kkathman> apokryphos:  :)
[10:51] <kkathman> apokryphos: how does one get to the new K-office stuff?  Did they not put that on a menu?
[10:51] <apokryphos> just get it from apt
[10:51] <kkathman> ahh ok
[10:51] <apokryphos> not in by default yet (I think they still consider it too primitive)
[10:51] <kkathman> I thought it was auto installed...thanks
[10:52] <kkathman> yet they put in Krita eh?
[10:52] <apokryphos> yup
[10:52] <apokryphos> OOo doesn't really have an equivalent
[10:52] <kkathman> true dat
[10:53] <kkathman> I was just curious...I dont really need it, but was gonna mess around...I'll wait
[10:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: o7
[10:59] <sampan> if i get an error about libstdc++.so.5 not being installed, but i have libstdc++.so.6 ... can i symlink the .so.6 to a .so.5 and get skype to work?
[11:00] <_martin> I could use some help. Does anyone have tips on how to collect information on random KDE crashes? I have a reoccuring occasional problem, after clean installs of Hoary and Breezy, with KDE. It seems network related, as it only happens when my laptop is on wireless. At some point, a few of my system tray apps (like klaptop) will become unresponsive. Also, konqueror won't load. I think there may be something wrong with kded at that point, but there
[11:00] <_martin> ven sure what to google on, frankly. What's the right thing to do to collect info for help?
[11:00] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu needs to get it's act together
[11:00] <crimsun> (its) And in what way?
[11:02] <crimsun> (it's) it is really simple, because its misuse is staggering.
[11:02] <apokryphos> I know, but clearly not to those who don't know the difference usage clearly.
[11:02] <_martin> http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif
[11:02] <apokryphos> or different, even
[11:02] <crimsun> that's what I tell my students when I see them misuse it
[11:03] <kkathman> crimsun: kinda hard to missuse its and it's isnt it?
[11:03] <apokryphos> apostrophes in general are badly misused; and not just among kids -- many adults too
[11:03] <Pixels-> gah, i got kubuntu installed
[11:03] <Pixels-> still no mouse
[11:03] <Pixels-> had to boot into a livecd
[11:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: very easy for those who don't know
[11:03] <kkathman> apokryphos: literacy...gotta get the kids away from those video games :)
[11:03] <crimsun> kkathman: imo, yes, but I majored in English lit, so I had it beaten into me.
[11:03] <Pixels-> i just read a post saying that if you disable usb legacy in BIOS, sometimes the ps/2 mouse works
[11:03] <Pixels-> ever hear of that apokryphos ?
[11:04] <kkathman> crimsun: Im a microbiology major, but I think I learned that back in...ahhhhh... 3rd grade?
[11:04] <apokryphos> kkathman: I think it's more down to people not properly teaching/drilling basic syntactical rules
[11:04] <kkathman> apokryphos: could be as simple as people are just too lazy to type the apostrophe :)
[11:04] <apokryphos> haven't heard of it, Pixels-, nope.
[11:05] <crimsun> _martin: do you have the (useless) backtrace from any of these occurrences?
[11:05] <_martin> Nothing actually crashes
[11:05] <kkathman> but you see alot of missue of there and their
[11:05] <_martin> Things freeze and things fail to load
[11:05] <apokryphos> that too
[11:05] <Pixels-> Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[11:05] <Pixels-> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[11:05] <Pixels-> thats in my xorg.conf file
[11:05] <Pixels-> does that look correct?
[11:05] <apokryphos> and punctuation; the semi-colon is the most neglected piece of punctuation ever 8)
[11:06] <kkathman> apokryphos: true, and I thought they only taught that when I was in school in the middle ages :)
[11:06] <apokryphos> Pixels-: if you're using a ps/2 mouse, sure.
[11:06] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Thanks :) Some things ask for root's password while some ask for MY password
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Thats very confusing
[11:06] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: like what?
[11:06] <Pixels-> yeah, its plugged into the regular mouse port
[11:06] <Pixels-> lol
[11:06] <crimsun> using kdesu?
[11:06] <apokryphos> Only occurence I know of is in kpackage
[11:06] <Pixels-> its a scrolly optical mouse
[11:07] <kkathman> Pixels-: it it a PS2 connector or a USB?
[11:07] <haTem> quick kubuntu question: how can I change the keyboard shortcuts in KDE? i can't find it anywhere in the menu or in System Settings
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\1\2\1\0\347\0\0\0\242\0\0\0", 12) = 12
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\0\0\0\17konqueror-9009\0\0\0\0\5kded\0\0\0\0\t"..., 66) = 66
[11:07] <_martin> write(9, "\0\0\0\10\0h\0t\0t\0p\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\0"..., 165) = 165
[11:07] <_martin> read(9, 0x814f6c8, 8)
[11:07] <Pixels-> ps2
[11:07] <_martin> crimsun: I've tried starting konqueror under strace. I get this:
[11:07] <apokryphos> _martin: please do not flood the channel
[11:07] <_martin> sorry about that
[11:07] <apokryphos> always read the /topic
[11:07] <kkathman> Pixels-: seems right then
[11:08] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Browse through settings:/ and click on things
[11:08] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: some will ask for root's password and some will just ask for password
[11:08] <_martin> I've put the output from strace on a hanging konq start up in the pastebin.
[11:09] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: examples of ones that ask for root pw?
[11:09] <DaSkreech> gimmie a second
[11:09] <DaSkreech> File sharing
[11:10] <Pixels-> i need psmouse and mousedev loaded in /etc/modules right?
[11:11] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: anything else?
[11:11] <haTem> I have two sound cards (onboard nforce2 and sb live), how can I tell apps to use the sb live (emu10k1) and not the onboard audio?
[11:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: and that doesn't actually ask for the root password at all -- but root access. Granted, it would be better to say root priveledges, or admin privs
[11:12] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: I found a few more but that one drove me over the edge this morning
[11:12] <DaSkreech> true but it will not accept my password which has root priv
[11:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: sure it will
[11:13] <apokryphos> it uses kdesu to get to it
[11:13] <DaSkreech> So I'm left to assume that it's (correct) looking for root
[11:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: :-(
[11:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: it ignores my password
[11:13] <apokryphos> it never will when it uses kdesu to get the pass
[11:13] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: that's a bug in the Admin-mode feature
[11:14] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: anyhow, if there are genuinely ones asking for root password, why haven't you made any bug reports yet? ;-)
[11:14] <Pixels-> man this sucks
[11:14] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Just playing around with it for now
[11:14] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: I haven't hit anything that I can't do
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I don't really want to enable file sharing I just want to see what the options are
[11:15] <paines> hi
[11:15] <kkathman> Hello paines
[11:15] <paines> everytime i want amarok to start an radio stream it crashes/freezes. any idea ?
[11:15] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: sure, but don't forget to make bug reports :)
[11:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: how your Kubuntu is working?
[11:16] <paines> I think a lib is missing. but I am not sure.
[11:18] <Firetech> konqueror (3.4.3 on breezy) looses all my bookmark icons on every reboot... strange... It's a good thing I don't reboot too often :P
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Can Amarok play  nsv?
[11:20] <Ayiden> okay why is 2.6.11 the latest kernel for breezy in the ubuntu pool... doesnt kubuntu 5.10 come with 2.6.12?
[11:20] <Ayiden> at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:20] <Ayiden> its the latest
[11:21] <Ayiden> I cant din the new 5.10 kernel there...
[11:21] <Ayiden> find*
[11:21] <Ayiden> odd
[11:21] <Ayiden> ?
[11:21] <Ayiden> or am I just looking in the wrong place?
[11:22] <itay> hi! I upgraded to breezy, and I want to set the keyboard layout as I set in the older versions of KDE, but in this version the checkbox "include latin layout" in gray (uncheckable). what's the problem?
[11:22] <apokryphos> or....... it can
[11:22] <Ayiden> nothing can on 5.10 you have to download the mp3 codexes
[11:22] <apokryphos> yes
[11:23] <Ayiden> goto the kubuntu wesite its under the wiki
[11:23] <itay> I'm hearing mp3 using amarok right now!
[11:23] <Ayiden> and it comes with a set of instructions as well
[11:23] <Pixels-> okay gonna try this stuff i found
[11:23] <Pixels-> see if anything helps
[11:23] <Pixels-> bbiaf
[11:24] <Ayiden> anyone know why on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ the latest breezy kernel is 2.6.11 when the 2.6.12 kernel is used in breezy?
[11:24] <Ayiden> or am I mistaken about somthing
[11:24] <crimsun> huh?
[11:25] <crimsun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-386
[11:25] <Ayiden> what kernel is used in breezy?
[11:25] <crimsun> where are you getting 2.6.11?
[11:25] <itay> does anybody know what's the problem with the keyboard layout in the lastest version of KDE?
[11:25] <Firetech> Ayiden: 2.6.12 is used in breezy
[11:25] <Ayiden> thats what I thought
[11:25] <Ayiden> Package kernel-source-2.6.11
[11:25] <Ayiden> breezy (devel): Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Debian patches [universe]
[11:25] <Ayiden> 2.6.11-7: all
[11:26] <Ayiden> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/kernel-source-2.6.11
[11:26] <crimsun> Ayiden: you're looking at the wrong package
[11:26] <crimsun> we use linux- as the prefix, not kernel-
[11:26] <Ayiden> I typed in kernel-source and got 2.6.11
[11:26] <paines> DaSkreech, not sure. but mplayer can
[11:26] <Ayiden> ah
[11:26] <Ayiden> dud
[11:26] <Ayiden> okay
[11:26] <Ayiden> well that helps
[11:26] <ernesto> I just got a new monitor and would like to reconfigure x to set it up how would I do that in breezy?
[11:27] <Ayiden> see I thought I was mistaken about somthing
[11:27] <crimsun> you are mistaken. :-)
[11:29] <MenZa`> Wow
[11:29] <MenZa`> I'm impressed
[11:29] <MenZa`> I just ran the livecd
[11:29] <MenZa`> Awesome OS
[11:30] <MenZa`> Very nice
[11:30] <MenZa`> Now I just need to format etc. to add a partition :D
[11:40] <kkathman> MenZa`: glad you like it...its a fine OS distro
[11:40] <Hobart> I can't get the Konsole Linux font working -- Tried Ubuntu Breezy on i386 and  Kubuntu Breezy on 3 machines (2 i386, 1 PPC) - I have enabled bitmap fonts in fontconfig, and updated the fontconfig cache.  Anyone know any other steps I can take to troubleshoot the font not working?
[11:40] <Hobart> I recall it worked in debian sarge :\
[11:41] <kkathman> Hobart, I'm not sure what the issue is from your description
[11:42] <Hobart> kkathman -> I launch Konsole, choose "New Linux Console", and it plays the glass breaking, says it can't load --full-long-name-of-the-font--- , and directs me to /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font
[11:42] <Hobart> The two steps I took are the troubleshooting steps it recommends in that file
[11:43] <Hobart> And the package that has the font in question (xfonts-konsole) is installed
[11:43] <kkathman> hmmm
[11:43] <kkathman> I havent had any issues with my particular Konsole here
[11:43] <Hobart> You can launch a Linux console session with it?
[11:43] <kkathman> yes
[11:43] <kkathman> with Konsole right....not Terminal
[11:43] <Hobart> Definitely.
[11:45] <kkathman> I assume you went to configure Konsole and all seems ok
[11:45] <Hobart> I *believe* it worked on Ubuntu Hoary, when I upgraded to Ubuntu Breezy is when it broke -- so I figured it might be upgrade related, so I did fresh Kubuntu Breezy install
[11:45] <MenZa`> There's no way to install on a partition that currently holds xp - right?
[11:45] <Hobart> Well, I get the error again if I attempt to choose the Linux font from the menus.
[11:46] <Hobart> MenZa` -> Not directly that I'm aware of.
[11:46] <MenZa`> Damnit, I didn't get an xp cd with my computer when I bought it
[11:46] <MenZa`> And I want to play games :\
[11:46] <Hobart> With XP installs that have the whole HD used by NTFS , I've used SuSE's installer to shrink the NTFS partition, then installed [DISTRO-OF-CHOICE]
[11:46] <MenZa`> That works?
[11:46] <kkathman> Hobart: are you saying you cannot get to the COnfigure Konsole now?
[11:47] <Hobart> My luck using other distros installers to shrink NTFS has been much less, but I haven't tried in a year or two.
[11:47] <Hobart> kkathman -> Checking.
[11:48] <kkathman> Hobart: simply right click inside the Konsole window and go to settings and choose Configure Konsole
[11:48] <_justin> Is there somebody out there who can please take the time to help me install wine for kubuntu?
[11:48] <MenZa`> Hobart: I need a format anyway. Calling acer tomorrow.
[11:48] <MenZa`> 11:48pm now
[11:48] <Aapzak> thats my timezone
[11:48] <Aapzak> CET
[11:49] <Aapzak> _justin: never did that, Can't help you
[11:49] <DaSkreech> MenZa`: You can get by with a 5G secondary hard drive
[11:49] <MenZa`> Don't have that :d
[11:49] <ku_dude> jrjx: Hey dude you there?
[11:50] <Aapzak> MenZa`: xp is broken and you want to reinstall? and install linux?
[11:50] <Hobart> kkathman -> Configure Konsole comes up fine.
[11:50] <ku_dude> anybody here get dual screen working on Ubuntu?
[11:50] <ku_dude> I have a ATI Radeon 8500
[11:50] <kkathman> Hobart: were you able to go to the font selection there and say, change the font?
[11:50] <MenZa`> XP Isn't broken.
[11:50] <MenZa`> Works fine
[11:50] <MenZa`> but I want linux :
[11:50] <MenZa`> :D
[11:50] <Aapzak> MenZa`: then what do you need xp cd for?
[11:50] <kkathman> Hobart: its under the Session tab
[11:51] <MenZa`> To reinstall XP
[11:51] <MenZa`> I don't have more than one partition
[11:51] <Aapzak> allright, and the Suse installer with partition resizer is nothing for you?
[11:52] <Hobart> kkathman -> I tried changing the Shell session's font to Linux, saved, and exited Konsole.  I get the glass-breaking sound and same error dialog when Konsole fires up.
[11:52] <MenZa`> Aapzak: My XP is a bit slow, reinstalling would help me a bit
[11:53] <Hobart> MenZa` -> You can probably speed it up w/o a reinstall, just make a new user profile.
[11:53] <Aapzak> MenZa`: aha, just cleaning up should help too ;)
[11:53] <MenZa`> Link me to SuSE
[11:53] <MenZa`> :)
[11:53] <_david> Hello, I appologize in advance, I have never used IRC before, but I have a question about Ubuntu file system.  Is this the right place to ask?
[11:53] <Hobart> suse.com ?
[11:53] <Hobart> suse.de ?
[11:53] <Hobart> :)
[11:53] <MenZa`> .com methinks :D
[11:53] <Hobart> _david -> shoot
[11:53] <kkathman> Hobart: Interesting, here I change that font and restart, and it doesnt seem to make a difference...tho, mine works ok
[11:53] <Aapzak> I am not a suse user, would not know how to get it
[11:53] <Hobart> of course SuSE's archive system is really lousy now that Novell took over.  I like the Oregon university mirror
[11:54] <_david> I just installed Kubuntu and so far it is great!  But i was a little confused during the install and I'm not sure what file system I selected
[11:54] <ku_dude> anybody here knows if wine works with NTFS?
[11:54] <Hobart> kkathman -> right.  Mine's been broken on 3 different systems
[11:54] <_david> How can I find that information?
[11:54] <kkathman> Hobart: so, sounds like the Konsole program is pulling fonts from elsewhere than the config...odd???
[11:54] <puckman> Good evening.
[11:54] <Hobart> _david -> Open up a Konsole or Terminal session, and type "mount"
[11:54] <Aapzak> ku_dude: wine will read from ntfs
[11:54] <puckman> Silly question but is there a flash plugin for konqueror?
[11:55] <kkathman> Hobart: you might try ascertaining the font its using...could be maybe some system font
[11:55] <_david> Done
[11:55] <puckman> Aapzak? gotta be dutch
[11:55] <puckman> lol
[11:55] <Aapzak> true puckman
[11:55] <Hobart> kkathman -> That's what I'm asking for help in doing. :)
[11:55] <puckman> same here
[11:55] <Aapzak> I thought so :)
[11:55] <ku_dude> Aapzak: When I press the DLL button or the Config.. it crashes...
[11:56] <puckman> DLL? aint that a winblows thing?
[11:56] <ku_dude> Aapzak: DO you know of a good link which speaks about system requirements and installation guide.
[11:56] <Aapzak> ku_dude: are we talking wine?
[11:57] <_david> Hobart: I have the mount info infront of me, what am I looking for?
[11:57] <ku_dude> Aapzak: Yes.
[11:57] <Hobart> puckman -> I've installed the mozilla flashplayer package, and just did a Konquereor "scan for plugins" from the Konq config menu, and can view Homestarrunner in Konq fine now
[11:57] <Aapzak> I'm one of those useless guys, know too little about too much
[11:57] <Hobart> _david -> did you choose to partition your whole hard disk as one volume?
[11:58] <ku_dude> Anybody here knows how to setup dual screens with an ATI Radeon 8500?
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> For example, mine says "/dev/hda2 on / type reiserfs" , which means that my / volume, on partition #2 of my first IDE hard disk (hda) is resiserfs
[11:59] <_david> I'm not sure I understand that question, I have three partitions, one for the root, one for the sys and one for swap
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> by default, Ubuntu will format your partitions as "ext3"
[11:59] <_david> Okay, I see that listed a few times
[11:59] <kkathman> Hobart: Im not sure, but I think you'll just need to go into the system settings, appearance, fonts and play with those and see if it makes a difference
[11:59] <_david> Is that a the optimal partition?
[11:59] <bobbyd> hi
[11:59] <Hobart> _david -> that's like asking if Ford or Chevy is the optimal American car
[12:00] <DaSkreech> _david: It's pretty good as a default
[12:00] <Hobart> kkathman -> Tried before asking. :(
[12:00] <bobbyd> how do I run the X setup again once I have it installed?
[12:00] <bobbyd> is there some reconfigure command?
[12:00] <Aapzak> _david: ext3 is just fine
[12:01] <Hobart> _david -> The main concern for most people is you want a filesystem that doesn't get corrupted badly if there's a power-off, ext3 handles that nicely
[12:01] <_david> I heard some where that resiserfs is the fastest file system?
[12:01] <puckman> Hobart: will try that, thanks!
[12:01] <Aapzak> unvoluntairy power-off I would say :)
[12:01] <bobbyd> _david: it supposedly is
[12:01] <Hobart> _david -> It is faster in some applications - honestly the average desktop user won't notice
[12:01] <bobbyd> _david: it says so on the reiserfs site
[12:02] <_david> Okay, sounds good - I love Kubuntu! :-)
[12:02] <Aapzak> its very nice
[12:02] <Hobart> I use reiserfs, and SuSE uses it by default, but the difference for day to day desktop use is probably <1sec
[12:02] <_david> Although one other thing, I'm trying to optomize this desktop so I use as little HDD accessing as possible - I have 2 gigs of RAM installed.