[00:00] <asac> going for a.u.c
[00:00] <asac> hopefully there were late a2 landings
[00:00] <asac> ok apt-get install -f fremoves two things that fix it hopefuly
[00:01] <asac> compiz-wrapper and libmetacity0 gone
[00:09] <asac> ccheney: ok. so hte hidden thing
[00:09] <asac> someone said we included stuff from old compiler or toolchain for arm last cycle, what was that?
[00:09] <asac> ccheney: ?
[00:09] <asac> is that gone?
[00:13] <asac> micahg: hi whats the status on tbird 3?
[00:13] <micahg> same, still need to add the targetted bugs and test
[00:14] <micahg> been finishing something for work
[00:15] <asac> ok.
[00:15] <micahg> asac: are we in a rush?
[00:15] <asac> are you doing the package rename?
[00:15] <micahg> yes
[00:16] <micahg> that's done, jsut needs to be tested
[00:16] <asac> well. i think we should get this up. if you push your branch i can finish that
[00:16] <micahg> or rather
[00:16] <asac>  push it somewhere
[00:16] <asac> i can review
[00:16] <micahg> k, well, it's thunderbird
[00:16] <micahg> not thunderbird-3.0
[00:16] <micahg> I migrated it in
[00:16] <asac> so its up?
[00:16] <micahg> not yet
[00:16] <micahg> I'll try to finish tonight...
[00:16] <micahg> and push up for review
[00:17] <asac> ok. but dont refrain from pushing to the branch because its not ready
[00:17] <asac> its ready
[00:17] <asac> err the branch is dead otherwise
[00:17] <micahg> k
[00:17] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev ?
[00:17] <micahg> yep
[00:17] <asac> hmm
[00:17] <micahg> oh
[00:17] <asac> thats not existing
[00:17] <micahg> wait
[00:18] <micahg> I think I moved it
[00:18] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.head
[00:18] <micahg> yep
[00:18] <asac> kk
[00:18] <micahg> ok, so I should just push up once I confirm it works?
[00:18] <asac> yes
[00:18] <micahg> k
[00:18] <asac> well push now
[00:18] <asac> i can take a look already
[00:18] <micahg> ok
[00:18] <asac> ;)
[00:19] <asac> probably helps me to understand how much work it is ;)
[00:21] <micahg> asac: pushed
[00:22] <micahg> I still have to clean up the changelog as well
[00:22] <asac> cleanup? generate?
[00:22] <asac> thats ok
[00:22] <micahg> no, stuff's in there
[00:22] <asac> i can check the bzr commits
[00:22] <micahg> it just needs to be cleaned
[00:31] <micahg> asac: BTW, we have 2 langpack bugs in lucid
[00:31] <micahg> actually one is Lucid/Karmic
[00:34] <asac> which one is in karmic?
[00:34] <asac> tbird langpacks?
[00:34] <micahg> no, apparently, the FR langpack is still brokenb
[00:34] <asac> for firefox
[00:34] <asac> ?
[00:34] <asac> fr?
[00:34] <micahg> yep
[00:34] <asac> what symptoms?
[00:35] <micahg> same as before, entities
[00:36] <asac> i dont know about thta
[00:36] <asac> ;)
[00:36] <asac> whats the bug number?
[00:36] <asac> entities can be everything
[00:36] <asac> but what i dont believe that fr can be badly broken.
[00:36] <micahg> well there's at least one
[00:37] <micahg> bug 472327
[00:37] <asac> i would have received direct bugging ...
[00:37] <micahg> idr if fr is broken in karmic
[00:37] <asac> thats not fr ;)
[00:37] <asac> ok
[00:37] <asac> lucid is normal to be broken
[00:37] <asac> we have devmode again. someone needs to fix the po2xpi transformer
[00:38] <asac> hmm. thought ast was whitelisted
[00:38] <micahg> someone just reported a broken fr: bug 507404, but I don't know if it's the langpack
[00:38] <asac> maybe a bug
[00:38] <micahg> then there's bug 502932
[01:14] <Bashar> hey all, how can i upgrade to thunderbird 3 on karmic 9.10 ?
[01:14] <Bashar> im here https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ but not sure how to start
[01:15] <micahg> Bashar: that's a daily build
[01:15] <micahg> it will install thunderbird 3.0 side by side with 2.0
[01:15] <micahg> there's no official upgrade yet
[01:15] <Bashar> i'm having serious problem since i moved from 8.10 to 9.10 now my 2.0 thunderbird can't stay online for more than 5 minutes, it will segfault
[01:16] <micahg> Bashar: try with a clean profile
[01:16] <Bashar> i've been suffering for the past week without a solution
[01:16] <micahg> one of your extensions might be causing it
[01:16] <Bashar> but even on -safe-mode its segfaulting
[01:16] <micahg> try thunderbird -ProfileManager
[01:17] <Bashar> i have mor ethan 20GB worth of data can't start clean profile
[01:17] <micahg> Bashar: do you have lightning installed?
[01:17] <Bashar> yes
[01:18] <micahg> Bashar: from ubuntu or addons.mozilla.org?
[01:18] <Bashar> i removed tunderbird and reinstalled it without lightning same issue
[01:18] <Bashar> from ubuntu
[01:18] <micahg> hmmm
[01:18] <micahg> can you file an apport bug?
[01:19] <Bashar> it doesn;t work automatically always timeout at the end
[01:19] <Bashar> i'm trting to upload the file i found at /var/crash/
[01:19] <Bashar> its taking forever to upload it
[01:19] <micahg> ah
[01:19] <Bashar>  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[01:19] <Bashar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/500321
[01:20] <micahg> you were the one who asked about glib...
[01:20] <Bashar> yes thinking its from it
[01:20] <Bashar> i forced version 2.22 still same issue
[01:20] <Bashar> so it clearly not glib issue
[01:20] <Bashar> went to 2.22 uninstalled TB, reinstalled same issue
[01:21] <micahg> that's probably not causing it
[01:21] <Bashar> yeah seems not
[01:21] <micahg> I ran TB2 under karmic for more than a month with no issues
[01:21] <Bashar> my colleague does too no issues
[01:21] <micahg> well, try a new profile to see if it crashes
[01:21] <Bashar> the difference i did is i tried to move to TB3 then tons of issues happened (running from the profile folder)
[01:21] <micahg> or have you tried disabling all the extensions?
[01:22] <Bashar> so i went back to ubuntu's install using the same profile
[01:22] <Bashar> and it seems this is what caused it
[01:22] <Bashar> something related to v3 is saved somewhere in the file or so
[01:23] <micahg> yeha, you shouldn't use the same profile for both
[01:23] <sleepycoder> Anyone know how to allocate an nsAString from a plugin?  I tried nsEmbedString, but it requires external symbols such as NS_StringContainerInit.  I'm not sure if I need to use that and link to some lib or use something else?
[01:24] <micahg> there are instructions on the PPA page how to add it, but you should be aware that it's dailies
[01:24] <Bashar> i *think* i didn't because i did a copy first, but i'm assuming i did a mistake and worked on the not copied version
[01:24] <Bashar> so if i download linux version 3 tarball from mozilla website thats stable version? better than the dailies ?
[01:25] <micahg> well, I have the release version built in my beta PPA, but it's still called shredder
[01:25] <Bashar> what does shredder mean?
[01:25] <micahg> Bashar: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta
[01:25] <micahg> shredder is the codename
[01:26] <Bashar> please excuse my experience, whats the difference between this one and the one from mozilla's tarball ?
[01:26] <micahg> Bashar: functionally, nothing, our version uses Ubuntu's libraries where possible
[01:27] <micahg> and is managed in the apt repository
[01:28] <micahg> Bashar: I'll tell you how to get a gdb backtrace...
[01:29] <Bashar> ok
[01:29] <micahg> here's the path to the binary /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird
[01:29] <Bashar> i started newer profile and added one of my file
[01:29] <Bashar> yes
[01:29] <Bashar> i found it
[01:31] <micahg> if you can attach a full gdb backtrace, that might help
[01:32] <Bashar> what/how todo gdb backtrace
[01:32] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[01:45] <Bashar> its surely a profile issue
[01:45] <Bashar> the newly created profile for my email and another account still up and running
[01:45] <micahg> k
[01:45] <Bashar> this is a major issue now
[01:46] <Bashar> how d o i copy mail emails, mailboxes, passes, settings without copying the crashed thing :(
[01:46] <micahg> it should be in the Mail profile in the profile
[01:46] <micahg> settings idk
[02:00] <Bashar> just Mail folder ?
[02:00] <Bashar> nothing else ?
[02:00] <micahg> that's where the local mail is
[02:01] <Bashar> but smtp/pop/passwods/digital certificate/thunderbird settings, all these will be gone ?
[02:01] <micahg> yes
[02:01] <micahg> ImapMail also has stuff
[02:01] <micahg> prefs.js
[02:01] <Bashar> cant afford that
[02:01] <Bashar> my entire business relay on email
[02:02] <micahg> well, you can try the tb3 which makes a copy
[02:02] <micahg> from my ppa
[02:02] <Bashar> and create new profile and point it to the same folder ?
[02:02] <micahg> Bashar: no, it'll do it for you
[02:02] <micahg> you can see if it works
[02:03] <micahg> otherwise, maybe try the upstream version since that might have been what corrupted it
[02:03] <micahg> as in the profiles aren't necessarily compatible
[02:03] <Bashar> whats different between urs and the daily builds ?
[02:04] <Bashar> yours is the stable release from mozilla source ?
[02:04] <micahg> they're both from mozilla source
[02:04] <micahg> mine was the release version unbranded
[02:04] <micahg> the daily changes when upstream 3.0 development branch changes
[02:09] <micahg> Bashar: I have to go, any last questions, I'll be back in about 2 hrs or so
[02:10] <Bashar> ill add it to apt source and install and see how it goes :)
[02:10] <Bashar> thanks for the help
[02:10] <micahg> np, come back if you need anything
[02:44] <Bashar> starting Shredder gives this error: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXMLHttpRequest.send]
[03:02] <Bashar> never mind seems worked
[03:02] <Bashar> thanks
[05:30] <micahg> asac: I'm test building TB3, I'll talk to you in the morning
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:49] <mattmac> asac: ping
[09:49] <mattmac> sorry missed your chat yesterday
[09:49] <mattmac> don't have logging turned on for this server
[09:52]  * mattmac increases his scrollback size
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[11:24] <fta> BUGabundo_work, can you block that viagra guy?
[11:25] <BUGabundo_work> who??
[11:25] <fta> http://identi.ca/fta/all  3 out of the last 4
[11:28] <fta> can't figure out how to do that with the web interface
[11:28] <fta> too cluttered
[11:28] <BUGabundo_work> fta: go to his profile and press block?
[11:28] <fta> and now, it's in french for me, but i don't understand those translations
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> your timeline is clear!
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> whats wrong with it?
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> fta: change to english
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[11:30] <BUGabundo_work> i've flagged his profile for review by admins
[14:09] <asac> hi micahg
[14:09] <micahg> hi
[14:09] <micahg> so, TB didn't build
[14:09] <asac> still same issue?
[14:09] <micahg> no, this was my merged version
[14:09] <asac> merged
[14:09] <asac> ?
[14:09] <asac> ah
[14:09] <asac> ok
[14:09] <micahg> I forgot the man page apparently
[14:09] <asac> i know
[14:09] <asac> micahg: if you have the build tree you can go in there
[14:09] <asac> change stuff in debian/
[14:09] <asac> and do debuild -nc
[14:10] <asac> to test stuff without a full rebuild
[14:10] <asac> thats usually the right way to develop stuff in debian/
[14:10] <micahg> k
[14:11] <asac> micahg: you deleted the -3.* files and then added the files without -3.0, right?
[14:11] <micahg> if I do 2>&1 | tee on the debuild command will it give me the whole log?
[14:11] <asac> if you had used bzr mv for that
[14:11] <micahg> yes
[14:11] <asac> i could have checked the diff easily
[14:11] <micahg> or rather
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11] <asac> ?
[14:11] <micahg> I renamed them
[14:11] <asac> using bzr mv?
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11]  * micahg didn't know about bzr mv
[14:12] <asac> right. you should have used that
[14:12] <micahg> now I know for the next merge
[14:12] <asac> yeah.
[14:12] <asac> i will probably redo that commit if you don thav etime
[14:12] <asac> its much easier to review if you missed something etc.
[14:12] <asac> but maybe i will not ;)
[14:12] <asac> TBD
[14:13] <micahg> I did this before you showed me about the merge stuff actually
[14:13] <asac> ok.
[14:13] <micahg> maybe I should go back and do it right
[14:13] <asac> maybe i will do everything
[14:13] <micahg> but it'll be much later
[14:13] <asac> right
[14:13] <asac> i tried it
[14:14] <asac> i can do it
[14:14] <asac> and copy your stuff
[14:14] <asac> will take me 1h
[14:14] <micahg> should I push the rest of the fixes
[14:14] <asac> sure
[14:15] <asac> whatever you have ;)
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> fta: asac: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2010/01/forum-fonts.html
[14:18] <micahg> is stacking the updates per file  in the changelog ok, or filename after each change?
[14:18] <micahg> like I have 2 updates to debian/control
[14:19] <micahg> can I do * Update 1\r\n* Update 2\r\n - update debian/control?
[14:20] <fta> BUGabundo_work, so what?
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> so nothing
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> just leting u know
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> dont kill the messenger
[14:27] <asac> micahg: if its two different changes to the same file you can have two changelog lines
[14:27] <asac> its fine to have more than one bullet point for one file
[14:27] <asac> if thats the question
[14:27] <micahg> k
[14:27] <micahg> yes
[14:27] <micahg> also, is debcommit in that situation ok?
[14:27] <micahg> or do I need to show the file
[14:28] <asac> micahg: well
[14:28] <asac> you can have
[14:28] <asac> * this was done
[14:28] <asac>   - update control
[14:28] <asac> * and this was done
[14:28] <asac>   - update control
[14:29] <asac> so no need to merge the entries
[14:29] <asac> so debcommit should just work (TM)
[14:29] <micahg> ah, that's what I was wondering...
[14:29] <asac> right
[14:29]  * micahg must have misunderstood
[14:29] <micahg> will uncommit :)
[14:29] <asac> i guess most likely i mistalked ;)
[14:29] <asac> too
[14:29] <micahg> asac: also, is the way I did the bug closes ok?
[14:30] <asac> not sure ;)
[14:30] <asac> the syntax for contribution markings is a bit different though:
[14:30] <micahg> yep
[14:30] <micahg> I'm fixing that now
[14:30] <asac> [ Alex Sutter <asac@ooco> ]
[14:30] <asac> at least the whitespaces
[14:30] <micahg> does that need a separate commit?
[14:30] <asac> before and after name
[14:31] <asac> micahg: i will replay with merge and stuff anyway, so just get it up somehow
[14:31] <asac> bzr merge and mv ;)
[14:31] <micahg> oh, I didn';'t know we need a spave before the name
[14:31] <asac> not sure we need, but its the standard and looks ugly if not
[14:35] <micahg> asac: was I supposed to write the man page?
[14:36] <asac> no
[14:36] <asac> there was a manpage, wasnt there?
[14:36] <asac> thats in the old tbird 2 package
[14:36] <asac> you can resurrect that
[14:37]  * micahg wondes how he lost that...
[14:37] <micahg> *wonders
[14:37] <asac> you removed all files from debian/ first
[14:37] <asac> didnt you?
[14:37] <micahg> no
[14:38] <asac> was it really in tbird 3 branch?
[14:38] <micahg> I see the file, I must not be installing it properly...
[14:38] <asac> probably
[14:38] <micahg> hmm
[14:38] <micahg> the file isn't there...
[14:38] <asac> needs to be in debian/thunderbird.docs
[14:39] <asac> or even thunderbird.manpages
[14:39] <micahg> yeah, it says thunderbird.1
[14:39] <micahg> I just can't ifnd the file
[14:40] <asac> micahg: it wasnt in the 3.0 branch
[14:40] <micahg> heh
[14:40] <micahg> I found it
[14:40] <asac> so that needs to be kept from the 2.0 branch
[14:40] <micahg> it's generated from sgml
[14:40] <asac> also in teh past we generated it from sgml
[14:40] <asac> yeah
[14:40] <asac> so it might have slipped through
[14:41] <micahg> yep
[16:01] <fta> crimsun, when mplayer/lucid starts, it now shows a bunch of "bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)"  what is that? bt as in bluetooth?
[16:29] <mattmac> asac: sorry, your previous comment scrolled out of my buffer before I saw it
[16:29] <mattmac> what version should I use to build Prism?
[16:30] <asac> the one that we use? 1.9.1?
[16:30] <asac> try that
[16:30] <asac> if not go for 1.9.2
[16:31] <mattmac> no I mean which Ubuntu version
[16:31] <mattmac> I'm building on top of 1.9.2 btw
[16:31] <mattmac> should I build on the very latest greatest Ubuntu or are users of older versions gonna to be missing libraries or something?
[16:32] <asac> mattmac: build on the lowest ubuntu version you want to support
[16:32] <asac> otherwise you cannot use it in older versions
[16:32] <asac> e.g. use hardy
[16:32] <mattmac> ok fair enough
[16:32] <asac> if you want it to have chance to work everywhere
[16:32] <mattmac> thanks... hardy sounds good to me
[16:32] <asac> also use 1.9.1
[16:32] <asac> otherwise it wont work on ffox 3.5
[16:32] <asac> only 3.6
[16:33] <mattmac> why's that?
[16:33] <asac> same reason as why you need to build for hardy
[16:33] <asac> if you biuld for xulrunner 21.9.2 it wont work on 1.9.1
[16:34] <mattmac> even if I ship all the libraries with it?
[16:34] <mattmac> all the XULRunner libraries I mean
[16:34] <mattmac> that's what I do on other platforms
[16:35] <asac> yes
[16:35] <asac> well no
[16:35] <asac> you cant do that
[16:35] <asac> you should ship a .xpi or a minimal webapp
[16:35] <asac> if you try, maybe it works, but we cant help you on that
[16:35] <asac> ;)
[16:36] <mattmac> alright well I just package it like the previous release and we'll see what happens
[16:36] <mattmac> 3.6 is supposed to be out soon anyway
[16:37] <asac> what do you mean by: "package it" ... in .debs?
[16:39] <mattmac> it's a bz2 file
[16:39] <mattmac> just a zip of the binary directory
[16:49] <asac> kk
[18:24] <fta> crimsun, strangely, since today's upgrade, my sound regressed
[18:51] <fta> asac, metacity?
[19:14] <asac> i had lastlog in desktop to grab the link ;)
[19:14] <asac> and thought we talked there
[19:15] <asac> anyway off
[20:41] <gnomefreak> what happened to the old file manager? it is now called PCMan File Manager 0.5.2?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> is this something i installed or new file manager?
[20:44] <fta> something you did, mine is still nautilus
[20:45] <gnomefreak> fta: ok thanks
[21:16] <gnomefreak> freenode is changing :(
[21:19] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: to what?
[21:20] <gnomefreak> sevens
[21:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html
[21:21]  * gnomefreak needs to update my scripts soon
[21:55] <crimsun> fta: regressed in what sense? I know about the pacmd poll() issue.
[21:57] <fta> crimsun, sdl is taking 100% cpu like in karmic (it was fine yesterday) and gives a much slower experience (probably due to syncs) but i hear no gliches (like in karmic)
[21:58] <crimsun> fta: ah.
[21:58] <crimsun> well, I need to back out one commit, so I'll roll another package tonight after chasing the pacmd bug.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> crimsun: is there a way to enable system beep? i removed the blacklist entry and still not happening but on power down system beep works
[22:04] <crimsun> gnomefreak: I don't know what you mean by system beep, which is unfortunately pretty ambiguous
[22:05] <gnomefreak> crimsun: the "system beep" the beep/ping from pcskr(or something spelled like it)
[22:07] <crimsun> as in the massive libgnome bug?
[22:07] <gnomefreak> pcspkr
[22:07] <crimsun> need to run now, back later
[22:07] <gnomefreak> crimsun: not sure. the only one i found is trying to disable it
[22:17]  * ccheney managed to get all of the easy to copy bits done, now have to determine how to copy the get_type parts
[22:18] <ccheney> is up to ~ 2100 lines now
[22:55]  * gnomefreak forgot how entertaining bugs can be :)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:00] <gnomefreak> its better than tv. people arguing about should be be open or closed but not arguing so much on the bug itself
[23:02] <BUGabundo> asac: is it possible to make notify-osd work over an app in full screen?
[23:04] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: see bug 375272


[00:09] <l_r> is there a live version of xubuntu for usb? (I am not asking about installing xubuntu from a cd to usb)
[00:27] <Gazali>  while installing debianxfce, i didnot formatted the old home partition of xubuntu, now is there a way to get rid of the configuration left from xubuntu?
[00:27] <vidd> Gazali, sure.....
[00:28] <Gazali> how
[00:28] <vidd> Gazali, delete the .conf folder in your home directory, log out and back in again
[00:28] <Gazali> allright
[00:28] <Gazali> thanks
[00:29] <vidd> when you log back in, the default .conf folder will be written automatically
[00:29] <Gazali> well is it hidden
[00:29] <vidd> infact, you can delete all the .[folders]
[00:30] <vidd> the only hidden files you need are:
[00:31] <vidd> .bashrc, .bash_history, .bashlogout, and .Xauthority
[00:32] <vidd> (so far as i know
[00:32] <Gazali> ok do i need to keep any of the files under /home
[00:32] <vidd> just the ones i stated
[00:33] <Gazali> ok
[00:37] <Gazali> thank you very much vidd
[00:37] <Gazali> everythings fien now
[00:37] <Gazali> fine\
[00:38] <vidd> =]
[00:38] <vidd> simple stuff
[00:38] <Gazali> ok 1 more thing
[00:38] <Gazali> you may help me
[00:38] <vidd> ask away
[00:38] <Gazali> i have this useless debian folder in xfces "start menu"
[00:38] <Gazali> :D
[00:38] <Gazali> how do i get rid of it
[00:39] <vidd> what is in the folder?
[00:39] <Gazali> almost everything is duplicated
[00:40] <vidd> dunno....sounds like a debian thing
[00:40] <Gazali> there 4 folders under it one of em is applications and it has all the apps.
[00:40] <Gazali> i just want to delete it from the menu
[00:40] <Gazali> if possible
[00:40] <Gazali> of course
[00:41] <TheSheep> you would have to delete all of its content...
[00:41] <vidd> can you paste a screenshot somewhere so i know what your talking about?
[00:41] <Gazali> allright
[00:42] <Gazali> erm how do i take the screenshot :D
[00:42] <vidd> ummmm dunno =]
[00:43] <Gazali> ok i managed
[00:46] <Gazali> http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzk0.png
[00:49] <Gazali> http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8418/screenshotzk0.png
[00:53] <binarymutant> Gazali, how'd you do it? I use imagemagick and/or scrot
[00:53] <Blunted88> im having issues with my repositories, im running xubuntu 8.04. what repositories should i have listed in synaptic?
[00:53] <binarymutant> Blunted88, pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[00:54] <Gazali> binarymutant screenshooter plugin (panel)
[00:55] <Blunted88> how do i do that?
[00:55] <binarymutant> never used it but sounds cool Gazali
[00:55] <b4|hraban> hmm I have some trouble installing xubuntu on a small (eee-like) laptop
[00:55] <binarymutant> Blunted88, mousepad /etc/apt/source.list to pastebin.com
[00:55] <b4|hraban> I used unetbootin to load the 8.10 netinstaller on a usb stick and installed xubuntu on that same stick after booting from it
[00:56] <b4|hraban> but after installation it won't boot, the BIOS acts as if the device is not bootable at all. so I figured I'd try to install a bootloader on it from my main computer (mandriva), which half-worked; it now does load grub but I immediately get "error 25"
[00:57] <b4|hraban> internet says it's a 25 : Disk read error\nThis error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk.
[00:57] <Blunted88> mouse pad? im sory binary
[00:58] <b4|hraban> I don't think it's even trying to access the menu.lst file, but I might be wrong... I have very little experience with grub, especially none with the command line tools needed to modify it, so... I hope somebody can help :/
[00:58] <binarymutant> Blunted88, you have xfce?
[00:58] <Blunted88> yes
[00:58] <binarymutant> Blunted88, mousepad should be installed with it, I might be wrong though, it's a word processor
[00:59] <Gazali> b4|hraban i once installed xubuntu on a usb hard drive but after 4-5 boot it did not again then i give up
[00:59] <Blunted88> ok
[00:59] <b4|hraban> ok.. ehh... that's... reassuring :P
[00:59] <binarymutant> Blunted88, and your just copy pasting /etc/apt/source.list into pastebin.com
[00:59] <Gazali> if i were you id install grub on a real hd
[00:59] <binarymutant> err /etc/apt/sources.list ** sorry Blunted88
[01:00] <b4|hraban> Gazali, I can't, the "real" hd is soaked
[01:00] <Blunted88> k its on there under blunted88
[01:00] <b4|hraban> it's a long story but it involves magnets
[01:00] <Gazali> i see
[01:00] <binarymutant> whats the url Blunted88
[01:00] <Gazali> may be you can use a cd to boot :D
[01:00] <Blunted88> http://pastebin.com/df752ed1
[01:00] <b4|hraban> Gazali, there is no CD bay
[01:01] <b4|hraban> it's too small (as I said, eee-pc like)
[01:01] <b4|hraban> besides, I know this works, unetbootin makes it work, why can't I... :/
[01:01] <Gazali> ok then you should get a usb drive with write protection ^^
[01:01] <binarymutant> Blunted88, looks right, whats the problem?
[01:02] <b4|hraban> Gazali, how will that help...?
[01:02] <binarymutant> you have a lot of entries though, it might be slow to update
[01:02] <Gazali> i believe either at startup or at shotdown, mbr of usb drive goes bad
[01:03] <binarymutant> wow i've got a lot of entries too...they are the same though
[01:04] <Blunted88> when i run update manager it tells me that one of the repositories is out dated, maybe its just talking about the update it was attempting
[01:05] <binarymutant> I thought hardy was still supported...
[01:06] <DaveDixonII> Why is it that only my terminal wobbles a littlebit and no other window?
[01:10] <b4|hraban> woo!
[01:10] <b4|hraban> grub command line isn't so bad after all..
[01:10] <b4|hraban> I installed xyzzybuntu on a 4 gb flash drive yay
[01:12] <binarymutant> DaveDixonII, compiz?
[01:13] <vidd> Gazali, sorry....i had to go reset a power breaker in the basement
[01:13] <Gazali> its ok
[01:13] <Gazali> i was able to remove it
[01:13] <DaveDixonII> binarymutant: i dont have compiz. D:
[01:14] <Gazali> i just left clicked on panel :D
[01:14] <binarymutant> DaveDixonII, you need compiz for wobbly effects
[01:14] <vidd> Gazali, try building a second user, log into it and see if the menu is the same
[01:15] <Gazali> well vidd, xfce uses a default (i dont know where it is) menu layout or uses the one you create
[01:16] <Gazali> the one you configure resides at ~/.config/xdg/menus so this is not for everyuser
[01:16] <zerothis> has any one gotten a Vontange V-phone to run in on Linux?
[01:17] <binarymutant> zerothis, ekiga might be able to use the vonage service
[01:17] <vidd> right...so Gazali exactly
[01:17] <vidd> i would be interested in what is diffent
[01:19] <binarymutant> zerothis, http://www.jpugh.org/2008/01/vonage-and-ekiga-on-suse-linux.html
[01:20] <Gazali> vidd if you want to see the menu of another user
[01:20] <vidd> Gazali, just pastebin me your menus file
[01:21] <Gazali> then youll need to tell me how to create another user cuz i am new to linux
[01:21] <Gazali> allright ill try
[01:22] <Gazali> if you are interested in the debian menu
[01:22] <Gazali> there is a file menudefs.hook
[01:22] <Gazali> which i dont know where
[01:22] <Gazali> ill try to paste the menu conf
[01:24] <vidd> but to add a basic user, simply run sudo adduser
[01:25] <Gazali> http://rafb.net/p/1QILGD52.html
[01:26] <brad_> question, can anyone help me with a printer?
[01:27] <vidd> Gazali, remove lines 17 and 18
[01:28] <Gazali> newusers comes with the default menu (with debian)
[01:29] <Gazali> vidd debian menu is not visible now so
[01:29] <Gazali> there is no prblem
[01:29] <vidd> Gazali, removing those lines did it?
[01:29] <Gazali> no i had used the menu editor of xfce
[01:30] <Gazali> i have to to bed now thank you for your help vidd
[01:30] <vidd> np
[01:30] <Gazali> (its 3.29 am here:)
[01:30] <Gazali> bye
[01:31] <brad_> sorry to ask, but can someone help me with printer problems?
[01:31] <vidd> brad_, what kind of printer?
[01:31] <brad_> lexmark z715
[01:31] <brad_> ive tried a few tutorials, but nothings working and i can't figure out why or where i screwed up
[01:31] <vidd> brad_, lexmark's are notoriously linux-hostile
[01:32] <brad_> and yeah, i do know lexmark isn't the most open source... but it's all i got to work with...
[01:32] <brad_> if someone could just help me look for a tutorial i'd appreciate it...
[01:36] <vidd> brad_, try this http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=772161
[01:38] <brad_> tried this a few times, but i'll give it one more go
[01:41] <brad_> be right back, have to switch to gnome
[01:49] <brad_> ok, so how do i print a test page?
[01:49] <brad_> any idea?
[01:49] <vidd> should be in the print thing
[01:49] <binarymutant> um print /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:49] <vidd> *menu
[01:50] <brad_> how would one print sources.list? and there's not an option to do a test page in System-Administration-Printing
[01:51] <binarymutant> oh I meant open it in a text editor and print something but nvm
[01:51] <brad_> that might be stupid enough to work...
[01:52] <binarymutant> technically it could be a test page
[01:53] <brad_> ZOMG IT WORKS!!!
[01:53] <binarymutant> brad_, did you use cups?
[01:53] <brad_> yeah
[01:53] <binarymutant> thats cool, never used it
[01:53] <brad_> now to try openoffice
[01:53] <vidd> brad_, cups finally has the driver? or did you follow the link i sent ya?
[01:54] <brad_> used the link
[01:54] <brad_> OMG OPENOFFICE WORKS!!!
[01:54] <brad_> sorry for the shouting, i'm so happy...
[01:55] <brad_> thanks vidd for convincing me to try the tutorial again...
[01:55] <brad_> also, does anybody know if there is a way to add more space at the top?
[01:57] <vidd> brad_, i dont really print
[01:58] <brad_> yeah, well, i can fix this later
[01:59] <brad_> also, how would one add this server to the startup list in xchat?
[01:59] <brad_> sorry, i know i'm asking a lot of questions...
[01:59] <vidd> brad_, simply open the xchat->network list menu.....
[02:00] <brad_> when i did that, it didn't load this again on startup
[02:00] <brad_> i'll try one more time...
[02:00] <vidd> highlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box
[02:01] <vidd> highlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box
[02:01] <brad_> oh, woops
[02:01] <brad_> thanks
[02:01] <brad_> anyway, got to go, thanks for all of your guys' help
[02:04] <mattgyver83> I installed xfce on my ubuntu laptop, is this the same thing as just installing xubuntu?
[02:05] <binarymutant> yeah
[02:05] <mattgyver83> Thats what i thought.
[02:05] <binarymutant> but you probably still have gnome on it dont you?
[02:05] <mattgyver83> im having some troubles with compiz and some other settings as well
[02:05] <mattgyver83> Yeah, I do.
[02:06] <mattgyver83> its real wierd.  For a while things were running perfectly, but for some reason now my mouse icon is just the plain X cursor.
[02:06] <binarymutant> thats the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu
[02:06] <mattgyver83> Thats what i thought.
[02:06] <mattgyver83> So i dont understand where these other issues are arrising from, its not like the filesystem/structure is any different.
[02:10] <binarymutant> dunno, mine looks the same
[02:12] <binarymutant> I'm pretty sure that compiz is like it's own window manager, that might be the reason
[02:13] <binarymutant> and you can change the mouse theme in X too
[02:13] <mattgyver83> Funny enough, when i ran compiz in terminal everything just fixed.  I think i might be onto it.
[02:14] <mattgyver83> I think emerald is trying to control the enviornment, might be blocking some changes.  I might just need compiz to begin at startup.
[02:14] <mattgyver83> n/m.
[02:14] <binarymutant> metacity --replace or something like that idk, compiz isn't really my thing
[02:15] <mattgyver83> does xfce use metacity still?  i assumed that was gnome only.
[02:15] <binarymutant> not sure, I thought it did
[02:16] <mattgyver83> My laptop isnt blazing fast, I remembered using xfce on an older one that i have and it was much faster.   Obvious speed difference between the two.
[02:17] <binarymutant> if your looking for speed, compiz is definitely not the way to go
[02:19] <binarymutant> and I would say dwm is much much much faster than xfce :P
[02:19] <mattgyver83> what is dwm?
[02:20] <binarymutant> a tiling window manager
[02:20] <binarymutant> it's very small, like 2kb, and very fast
[02:21] <mattgyver83> Ill have to look into it.  Xfce seems to be great on this laptop, however i have an even older one that i might look into it on.
[02:21] <binarymutant> http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm/     <--- not recommended for novices
[02:22] <binarymutant> their support is terrible though, so it's kinda a give and take
[02:22] <mattgyver83> Gotcha.  You say not recommended, whats so difficult about it?
[02:23] <binarymutant> besides the support? You have to compile it anytime you change something and it's almost featureless
[02:24] <mattgyver83> Oh okay.
[02:24] <binarymutant> but the trade off is it's blazingly fast
[02:26] <mattgyver83> back in a sec
[02:28] <mattgyver83> now i gotta figure out why it all of a sudden doesnt see an internet connection.
[02:28] <binarymutant> you still have nm-applet?
[02:29] <mattgyver83> not sure
[02:30] <mattgyver83> Is that network manager?
[02:30] <binarymutant> ya
[02:30] <binarymutant> from gnome
[02:30] <mattgyver83> Yes.
[02:31] <binarymutant> that should work
[02:31] <mattgyver83> And it looks like all is setup correctly still.
[02:32] <mattgyver83> At least, the screen im looking at says 'Network Settings' which i believe is network-manager in gnmoe
[02:32] <binarymutant> I dunno, it's the applet in the system tray is what i'm talking about
[02:34] <mattgyver83> Actually, no i dont anymore.
[02:34] <mattgyver83> however it was there earlier.
[02:35] <binarymutant> just type nm-applet in a terminal
[02:35] <mattgyver83> tryed, nothing loaded
[02:35] <mattgyver83> im actually rebooting, ill try again in a sec
[02:36] <mattgyver83> Its wierd that it all worked for a couple of days and then stopped.  Guess i did something.
[02:36] <mattgyver83> thx for your help btw
[02:36] <binarymutant> then...sudo apt-get network-manger-gnome I guess, np
[02:36] <mattgyver83> wont be able to cuz i dont have a connection.
[02:36] <binarymutant> its on disc probably
[02:36] <mattgyver83> oh okay
[02:41] <mattgyver83> tells me that network-manager-gnome is the newest version
[02:41] <charding> Using 8.10 with fglrx Driver and running fgl_glxgears gives a white screen then locks up X, any ideas? fgl_glxgears before used to work fine..
[02:43] <mattgyver83> ill try a wired connectin
[02:44] <mattgyver83> same problem.
[02:45] <Oldbitcollector> Hi
[02:46] <Oldbitcollector> Are the experts online for questions?
[02:47] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, ask away
[02:47] <mattgyver83> hopefully someones an expert ';D
[02:47] <vidd> i may not be an expert, but ill try
[02:47] <Oldbitcollector> thanks / background: was running Ubuntu until my Hdd crashed. Switched to Xubuntu because I like the feel.  Got a couple items I'm trying to get straighten the way I want them.
[02:48] <Oldbitcollector> Little new.. switch from XP a month or so ago.  never going back.
[02:48] <Oldbitcollector> Question 1) How do I add the "Home" icon to the top panel?
[02:48] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, did you run nm-applet in a terminal?
[02:48] <mattgyver83> binarymutant, yes it never loaded anything
[02:48] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, scratch that, do this in a terminal " sudo dhclient "
[02:49] <binarymutant> for wired
[02:49] <mattgyver83> okay.   just one second, i want to make sure im not crazy and that all works on a gnome session still.
[02:49] <binarymutant> if it works in gnome, it'll work in xfce because the tools these gui's use are the same in every window manager
[02:50] <mattgyver83> Okay.  So it probably wotn.
[02:50] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, should be able to right-click on desktop and check the box to show desktop icons
[02:51] <mattgyver83> yeah, for some insane reason it stopped working all together, let me get back in xfce
[02:51] <vidd> mattgyver83, i missed your issue
[02:52] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, try sudo dhclient in a terminal
[02:52] <binarymutant> for wired
[02:52] <Oldbitcollector> @vidd: I'd like to add a "launcher" for the "Home" into Panel 1.  Not sure I'm following..
[02:52] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, isnt the "places" applet there already?
[02:53] <mattgyver83> vidd, problems connecting to the internet now after installing xfce on ubuntu (normally running gnome)
[02:53] <Oldbitcollector> Good point..
[02:53] <Oldbitcollector> I can adapt..
[02:53] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, dhclient give you an ip?
[02:53] <mattgyver83> about to run it now
[02:54] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, i was thinking desktop...not panel (i mis read)
[02:54] <Oldbitcollector> Question 2) Anyone running CheckGmail.  How can I get this application to load automatically when I log in?
[02:54] <binarymutant> Oldbitcollector, put it in .xinit
[02:54] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, add it to the "autostarted apps" in the settings manager
[02:54] <binarymutant> ^ or that
[02:55] <vidd> mattgyver83, how are you conecting? wired or wireless?
[02:55] <mattgyver83> currently wired just for testing, however this machine needs to connect wireless.
[02:55] <Oldbitcollector> ah. why didn't I see that..
[02:55] <mattgyver83> binarymutant, i get only internal IP addresses, should i list my external?
[02:56] <binarymutant> no, you should be connected to the net now mattgyver83
[02:56] <binarymutant> it pulls an internal ip
[02:56] <mattgyver83> Yeah, it gives me the correct IP
[02:56] <mattgyver83> and notices my gateway
[02:57] <binarymutant> and you're on the net
[02:57] <mattgyver83> .....
[02:57] <binarymutant> i gtg, but for wireless you use iwconfig if you can't get nm-applet working
[02:57] <mattgyver83> for some reason, yes.  It goes online all of a sudden.
[02:57] <mattgyver83> okay, thanks.
[02:58] <Oldbitcollector> @binary: is there an easy way to read the "properties" of a menu item under "Applications"?
[02:58] <vidd> mattgyver83, connect up your wifi
[02:58] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, no...there isnt
[02:59] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, why you need to know the properties?
[02:59] <Oldbitcollector> So I can read off what needs to be placed into autostart
[02:59] <mattgyver83> vidd, i did
[02:59] <mattgyver83> i just ran ifdown and ifup on the connection.
[02:59] <mattgyver83> i get nothing
[02:59] <Oldbitcollector> thought I had found a way to pull launchers from "Applications" onto the desktop earlier.. not sure what I did.
[03:00] <mattgyver83> iwconfig shows my wifi connection though
[03:00] <vidd> mattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[03:00] <Oldbitcollector> ah.. Appfinder. drag to desktop and I can see the properties.
[03:00] <mattgyver83> ok
[03:01] <mattgyver83> it told me command not found
[03:02] <vidd> mattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:02] <Oldbitcollector> Last question: what is the player which allows music to play when the mouse is held over the file? I'd like to add the feature to X
[03:02] <mattgyver83> last line says 'RTNETLINK answers: No such process'
[03:02] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, im clueless there
[03:03] <vidd> mattgyver83, now ifconfig
[03:03] <Oldbitcollector> Yes, I'm sure that is not a common question here. :)
[03:04] <mattgyver83> okay, it shows me eth0, eth1, lo, wmaster0
[03:04] <Oldbitcollector> ah, one more.. I'm using an SD/USB adapter.  How does one change the permissions to allow writing to the SD?
[03:08] <vidd> mattgyver83, now do iwconfig
[03:08] <mattgyver83> okay, it notices my wifi connection @ eth1
[03:08] <vidd> ok....then you are connected
[03:10] <mattgyver83> browser just times out, and when i try to ping a site i get nothing.
[03:10] <vidd> wmaster is what "controls" the wifi connection
[03:11] <mattgyver83> @iwconfig - wmaster no wireless extensions, eth1 it shows EEID:"matttastic" my home network
[03:12] <vidd> mattgyver83, try sudo apt-get install network-manager
[03:13] <vidd> mattgyver83, wmaster is a controler
[03:13]  * vidd uses wicd rather then network manager
[03:14] <vidd> mattgyver83, can you ping yor gateway?
[03:20] <aLeSD> is it possible to search in the samba net as in ubuntu ?
[03:20] <aLeSD> or connect to a samba server by a graphical xfce tool ?
[03:20] <vidd> mattgyver83, can you ping your gateway?
[03:22] <neozen> aLeSD: could perhaps mount a samba share with fusesmb
[03:23] <neozen> aLeSD: then just browse normally with thunar
[03:23] <aLeSD> thunar ? fuesmb ?
[03:24] <neozen> aLeSD: thunar is xfce's beloved minimal filemanager
[03:24] <neozen> if you've been browsing the filesystem in X, you've seen thunar
[03:25] <aLeSD> oh yes
[03:25] <neozen> aLeSD: fusesmb is something like a plugin for fuse which stands for Filesystem in UserSpacE
[03:25] <neozen> aLeSD: basically fuse lets you mount things as your user instead of being root
[03:26] <neozen> aLeSD: also lets you mount things you couldn't normally as filesystems
[03:26] <neozen> aLeSD: samba (windows shares), a directory accessible through ssh etc
[03:27] <vidd> !fusesmb
[03:27] <aLeSD> ok thanks
[03:27] <neozen> aLeSD: to the best of my knowledge, no single easy app exists for xfce
[03:27] <neozen> aLeSD: you're welcome
[04:25] <[AfZ]TomServo1> is there a pretentious code on this channel that says that you can't ask n00by questions without lurking for 3 months?
[04:35] <excalibas> Hello, I just upgraded from hardy to intrepid, and now my SD cards are weird, they mount OK, but they don't appear on the Partition Editor, and I cant unmount them. If I try to eject I get an error and than I cannot mount back
[04:37] <excalibas> well, the mounting is not really a problem, because it is mounting. but why cant Gparted find it? I need to format it. please help
[04:47] <excalibas> this does not happen with usb device, only SD card. my USB pendrive appears on Gparted
[05:00] <excalibas> I think is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/275345
[05:10] <fug> how come i dont have a xorg.conf file on a fresh install? only the example
[05:11] <fug> i'm not going to screw anything up if i run a config tool am i?
[05:11] <fug> everything works just fine - i only need to disable the touchpad
[05:17] <dcolish> fug: just comment it out in your xorg file, its autogenerated by dpkg
[05:17] <dcolish> also, all the input stuff is now configured by hal as an fdi
[05:24] <fug> just figured all i need to do is start syndaemon
[05:26] <fug> there's the "autostarted applications" in the settings manager..
[05:26] <fug> in which file are the settings stored?
[05:27] <fug> i'd like to have syndaemon and mpd start automatically, is that the righ way to go?
[06:50] <ball> hello maxamillion
[07:12] <coldhak> mount.ntfs is taking 90% of my CPU, what does it do?
[07:13] <ball> it's a CPU benchmark <- this is a lie
[07:14] <coldhak> apparently it keeps the ntfs drive mounted. it fails for taking that much cpu power to do such a thing
[07:21] <ball> coldhak: Is it a drive that you share with a Window machine?
[07:21] <ball> Windows*
[07:22]  * ball potches about with a Webcam
[07:38] <coldhak> yes
[07:38] <coldhak> i dual boot with windows
[07:38] <ball> Ah, that limits your options then.
[07:38] <coldhak> i killed the process and remounted, it's no longer taking so much cpu
[07:39] <ball> I have to go anyway, it's 01:38 here and I have to be up again at 05:30
[07:39] <ball> coldhak: perhaps it leaks
[07:39] <coldhak> same
[07:39] <coldhak> g'night
[07:39] <ball> Goodnight
[07:41] <law__> hi guys
[07:41] <law__> i need some help here
[07:43] <law__> from my xubuntu pc i can ping to another win xp pc, but from win xp pc i can't ping to xubuntu pc
[07:43] <law__> anybody can give me some solutions?
[07:45] <law__> please ?
[07:47] <law__> anybody can help me?
[07:49] <law__> ?
[07:50] <law__> hello
[07:58] <wormsxulla_> law__: be patient
[08:18] <law__> so may i ask my question now?
[08:30] <wormsxulla_> law__: i think you've asked your question already, anyone able to help will do so, when they are "alive". remember there are timezones
[08:30] <wormsxulla_> so the only thing is to be patient, really :)
[09:45] <gue> hi all, how to rebuilding xorg.conf, pls, my this file is empty. :(
[12:38] <b3wbs> can someone help me [im a linux noob]
[12:38] <b3wbs> need help installing glib
[12:39]  * soren raises an eyebrow
[12:40] <b3wbs> well basically
[12:40] <b3wbs> how? :D
[12:41] <TheSheep> what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:41] <b3wbs> install glib
[12:41] <TheSheep> you have it istalled
[12:41] <TheSheep> installed
[12:41] <TheSheep> it's part of your system
[12:41] <b3wbs> apparently not
[12:42] <b3wbs> cause i was trying to install something else and it pronounced that i don't have glib and that i need to get it
[12:42] <b3wbs> so i've downloaded it
[12:42] <b3wbs> and extracted it
[12:42] <b3wbs> but i don't know what to do now
[12:42] <TheSheep> what do you need it for?
[12:42] <b3wbs> apparently so i can install xchat
[12:42] <TheSheep> just install xchat from repositories, with synaptic
[13:04] <idontlikenumber1> Is Ubuntu bleeding edge like Fedora?
[13:06] <hhh2> i have xubuntu hardy and i want to update videolan 0.8.6e to 0.9.6
[13:06] <hhh2> how can i do?
[13:06] <hhh2> i don't find a .deb file
[13:10] <atari> hi
[13:11] <vidd> hello atari
[13:11] <vidd> hhh2, then compile it from source
[13:11] <vidd> read the instructions that comes with it
[13:12] <atari> hi vidd
[13:12] <atari> on a scale from 1 to 10. what would be my success when changing from etch to xubunt with apt-get?
[13:13] <vidd> atari, negative 10000
[13:13] <atari> damn
[13:13] <vidd> you will do nothing but nuke your system
[13:13] <vidd> you have a seperate /home partition?
[13:13] <atari> yes i do
[13:14] <vidd> then why not do a net install?
[13:14] <atari> net install?
[13:14] <atari> you mean new?
[13:14] <vidd> the mini ISO is only 10 MB, and you tell the installer to leave your /home partition intact
[13:14] <vidd> atari, no....net install
[13:14] <vidd> !mini
[13:15] <atari> the big problem is, i cant boot any ubuntu kernel i tried yet... so i need a customized kernel...
[13:15] <vidd> atari, why can you not boot it?
[13:15] <vidd> what error are you getting?
[13:15] <atari> i always get a kernel panic
[13:16] <atari> kernel options didnt help at all
[13:16] <vidd> from the installer?
[13:16] <atari> noapic, agp=off etc.
[13:16] <vidd> the installer or post-install?
[13:16] <atari> its not a ubutntu related problem, but a linux kernel problem
[13:16] <atari> thats why i need a customized kernel ;)
[13:16] <vidd> atari, which kernel is your etch running?
[13:17] <atari> Linux blacky <IP_ADDRESS> #1 SMP Tue Oct 28 23:18:02 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:17] <atari> (no the debian kernel doesnt boot either ;)
[13:17] <vidd> and did you have to custom-compile this?
[13:17] <vidd> ah
[13:17] <atari> yes
[13:17] <atari> brb
[13:19] <vidd> atari, then try looking here: http://www.debuntu.org/
[13:23] <atari> vidd: thx
[13:24] <atari> vidd: i didnt know that page yet
[14:00] <vidd> hello maxamillion
[14:26] <zeitsofa> hello :) did anybody have an idea how i can fix this problem http://pastebin.com/m6ce4773d
[14:28] <knome> zeitsofa, does nm-applet run?
[14:28] <vidd> zeitsofa, that simply means you can only have one instance of the Network admin tool running
[14:28] <knome> hello vidd
[14:28] <vidd> if you dont see the pannel app, then edit your panels to post it
[14:28] <vidd> hello Knightlust
[14:28] <knome> haha
[14:28] <vidd> gaaaa!!!!!!
[14:28]  * knome is evil
[14:28] <vidd> hello knome
[14:29] <vidd> knight is going to change his name soon!
[14:29] <vidd> =]
[14:29]  * knome sends dozens of bots with nicks starting with kn
[14:29] <knome> ;)
[14:30] <zeitsofa> vidd: i'm confused, it runs yesterday - how i can configure the panel correctly ?
[14:33] <zeitsofa> hmm ok after /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart the applet comes up - but now are no interfaces are available
[14:33] <knome> ok i'm going now
[14:33] <knome> see you later.
[14:34] <vidd> zeitsofa, is the system connecting via wired or wireless?
[14:35] <zeitsofa> wired
[14:35] <vidd> can you ping your gateway?
[14:36] <zeitsofa> i'm online i think so :)
[14:36] <zeitsofa> yes i can
[14:36] <vidd> if your online, then why are you concerned?
[14:36] <vidd> does this system use wifi?
[14:37] <zeitsofa> i can not configure any interface with he applet - and no i have only to wired interfaces
[14:37] <zeitsofa> s/he/the
[14:38] <vidd> zeitsofa, why would you want to configure wired interfaces with nm?
[14:38] <vidd> its for wifi
[14:39] <soren> Uh, no.
[14:39] <vidd> zeitsofa, it is much easier to simply set up /etc/network/interfaces
[14:39] <soren> It's for all interfaces.
[14:40] <vidd> soren, its crap for wired
[14:40] <vidd> its only decent for wifi
[14:40] <soren> Be they, wired, wireless, DSL lines, 3G, dial-up..
[14:40] <zeitsofa> vidd: a few days befor i can configure alle my interface with the applet - i have 2 cards and one is connectet to a test network - often i have to change the ip address
[14:40] <soren> vidd: I know lots of people who would say the exact opposite :)
[14:41] <vidd> zeitsofa, idk how to assist with your specifics....but soren is apparently an expert
[14:41] <soren> vidd: Not in particular. Not unless plugging in the network cable and then using the network makes me an expert.
[14:41] <vidd> personally, i use wicd....MUCH more intuitive
[14:42] <soren> $ apt-cache search wicd
[14:42] <soren> $
[14:42] <soren> -v
[14:42] <vidd> soren, its not in the repos
[14:42] <soren> That's a major loss on the intuitiveness scale, if you ask me :)
[14:43] <vidd> sor
[14:43] <vidd> soren, how so?
[14:43] <vidd> add the repo for it and then its in your repos.....
[14:43] <soren> It's not very intuitive that you have to jump through hoops to even install the thing.
[14:43] <vidd> but getting the software is nothing to do with how intuitive the software is to use
[14:43] <soren> Using it starts by the installation procedure.
[14:44] <zeitsofa> it is so stupid - first time i can not open a vpn connection with the applet - on second step i reinstall the applett an now no configuration for my interfaces and no vpn connections ^^ - the best way i think go back to debian
[14:44] <soren> If you were to explain to your grandma how to connect to the internet, having to start with guiding her through adding extra repositories... not optimal, IMO.
[14:44] <vidd> zeitsofa, yeah....wicd is in the repos there
[14:45] <vidd> (i think)
[14:45] <zeitsofa> vidd: hrhr on debian it works fine for me :)
[14:45] <vidd> soren, you dont know my grandmother
[14:45] <soren> vidd: I might.
[14:46] <soren> Especially seeing as getting stuff from other repositories requires a... wait for it.... internet connection!
[14:46] <vidd> telling her to switch to console, wget this file, dpk install it, get the dependencies with apt-get fix is no problem for her
[14:47] <soren> Good for you.
[14:47] <soren> And her.
[14:48] <vidd> and hitting an internet connection is a piece of cake so long as you are not using nm
[14:48] <vidd> set the network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to dhcp your eth0 connection and your golden
[14:49] <vidd> zeitsofa, idk what the issue is with your NM
[14:49] <vidd> have you tried to apt-get uninstall --purge it and re-install it?
[14:51] <vidd> zeitsofa, also, please pastebin your network interfaces for me
[14:51] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:54] <zeitsofa> vidd: hrhr ubutnu goes MS :) rebooting and it works
[14:54] <vidd> zeitsofa, i told ya it was crapware
[14:54] <vidd> =]
[14:54] <zeitsofa> hmm that is true :)
[14:55] <vidd> zeitsofa, ya might want to check out wicd
[14:55] <vidd> see if it will meet your needs
[14:55] <vidd> i dont know if it can or cannot handle bridging
[14:56]  * vidd never had occation to try
[14:56] <zeitsofa> vidd: did wicd can use vpn (pptp) ?
[14:56] <vidd> dunno...as i said...i never looked into it
[14:57] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[14:57] <zeitsofa> yes i found it with google :)
[14:58] <zeitsofa> but there is no vpn include
[14:59] <Schenker80> guys I have a small problem now.  I have downloaded the desktop CD and I have booted my computer from it.  I have a black screen with white text and it says welcome to yaboot.  how do i install from this?
[15:04] <vidd> ya dont
[15:04] <vidd> Schenker80, how much ram does that machine have?
[15:08] <Shaba1> Hello anyone at the keys here?
[15:08] <vidd> !ask | Shaba1
[15:08] <Shaba1> Ok
[15:08] <neozen> Schenker80: ahh yaboot..... that piece of @#$#@$ that was supposed to handle boot management in YDL on our decrepit mac servers ... but didn't
[15:09] <Shaba1> I have my screen res set to 1024X768 which I think is right. But some dialogs and windows have the bottoms cut off when displayed on the 'desktop'
[15:10] <vidd> Shaba1, if your dialogs are cut off, then you most likely have 800x600
[15:10] <Shaba1> vidd how do I determine that definatively?
[15:11] <vidd> open the setting->settings manager->display
[15:11] <Shaba1> yes I did that
[15:12] <Shaba1> the max res it shows is 640X480
[15:12] <vidd> it will tell you "default" and the resolutions that are available to you
[15:12] <vidd> what is the first resolution?
[15:12] <Shaba1> btw that settings manager screen gets cut off too
[15:12] <Shaba1> vid the first one is default
[15:12] <vidd> Shaba1, max resi is 640x480??
[15:13] <vidd> you need to get the right video driver installed on your system
[15:13] <Shaba1> 720X576 is the max
[15:14] <vidd> Shaba1, you said display said the max resilution is 640x480
[15:14] <Shaba1> vidd nope I look above that in the dialog.
[15:14] <vidd> this means you are in safe graphics mode
[15:14] <Shaba1> I was ASSuming that the max res would be at the bottom of the dialog window
[15:15] <vidd> this is defanantly an issue of not having the correct video driver
[15:16] <Shaba1> ok how do I tell which one the machine is using
[15:16] <vidd> lspci will tell you what video card your using
[15:18] <Shaba1> vidd: ok how do that?
[15:18] <neozen> Shaba1: in terminal, type lspci
[15:18] <neozen> Shaba1: look for the line containing VGA or Graphics
[15:18] <neozen> how you doin vidd... been a long time
[15:21] <Shaba1> Via Technologies S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapater
[15:21] <Shaba1> which is what it shoulc be
[15:21] <Shaba1> that is what shows on the windows side of this machine
[15:23] <Shaba1> noezen:
[15:23] <Shaba1> Vidd?
[15:24] <Shaba1> I found this page "http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome"
[15:24] <Shaba1> how do i get that into synaptics
[15:29] <Shaba1> Hello neozen are you back here now?
[15:30] <vidd> Shaba1, if its listed on that page, then it should already be in the repos
[15:30] <vidd> you can also download the .deb to your local machine and run:
[15:31] <vidd> sudo dpkg -i [path/to/file].deb
[15:31] <vidd> and if it says "missing dependencies", sudo apt-get install -f
[15:32] <Shaba1> vidd: I appreciate the help
[15:33] <Shaba1> but you are speaking as if I am already a linux afficiando
[15:33] <Shaba1> I come from a windows world
[15:33] <Shaba1> and quite versed there
[15:33] <Shaba1> but linux is another thing all together
[15:33] <vidd> Shaba1, if you download the .deb via firefox, then it should be saved to your desktop
[15:34] <vidd> if the name is fluffy.deb (no...that isnt going to be the actual name...just and example)
[15:34] <Shaba1> Ok #1 what is a .deb
[15:35] <vidd> Shaba1, a .deb is like a .exe in windows
[15:35] <vidd> (well not really...more like intaller.exe)
[15:35] <vidd> its one of many ways to install software in linux
[15:37] <Shaba1> Ok I am seeing a LOT of web pages describing this driver.
[15:37] <Shaba1> but none with a "click here to download this thing" link
[15:37] <vidd> Shaba1, the link you posted.....
[15:38] <vidd> go there....
[15:38] <vidd> you running an amd or an i386 system?
[15:38] <Shaba1> not sure hold on
[15:38] <Shaba1> I think its and amd
[15:38] <Shaba1> but I will check to make sure
[15:39] <vidd> ok...64 bit or 32bit?
[15:39] <Shaba1> amd
[15:39] <Shaba1> runnign the hardy (8.04) version of xubuntu
[15:39] <Shaba1> 32 bit
[15:40] <vidd> ok....on that page, click the link for i386 at the bottom of the page
[15:41] <Shaba1> ok got another page
[15:41] <vidd> it will take you to a page with a lot of different mirror sites.
[15:41] <vidd> click the link for any one of them, and it will download the file to your system
[15:43] <Shaba1> ok got a dialog that ask if I want to save the file or open it with /usr/lib/mime/debian-view(default)
[15:43] <Schenker80> what's the best release of xubuntu for an iBook G4?
[15:44] <Shaba1> vidd?
[15:44] <Schenker80> intrepid??
[15:45] <vidd> one moment....im at work....got a call in
[15:45] <Shaba1> ok no problem and thanks
[15:46] <Schenker80> for some reason i was under the impression that only version 6 worked on power PCs......but it seems that versions 7 and 8 also work too......
[15:46] <dcolish> Schenker80: there are kernels for ppc but I think they are not as well supported.
[15:47] <Schenker80> oh
[15:47] <Schenker80> well, if i did have problems with intrepid ibex you guys would be able to help me, right?
[15:48] <dcolish> Schenker80: depends on the problem, if its a real kernel issue that could be a lot more complex than what can be solved with configuration
[15:49] <Schenker80> oh i see.  well, what do you recommend for me?  do you think I should install version 7 or 8?
[15:50] <dcolish> with kernels I prefer the latest
[15:50] <Schenker80> ok cool, dcolish.  I will download intrepid
[15:50] <dcolish> good luck
[15:50] <Schenker80> thanks and sorry if my questions seem stupid
[15:51] <dcolish> all is forgiven
[15:51] <vidd> Shaba1, sorry....im back
[15:51] <vidd> save the file
[15:52] <vidd> Schenker80, the only stupid questions are those that are not asked
[15:53] <Schenker80> very true.  :)
[15:53] <Shaba1> k
[15:54] <vidd> Shaba1, now that it's on your desktop, you can double-click it to install
[15:55] <vidd> or you can open a terminal to do it the cli way
[15:55] <vidd> =]
[15:56] <vidd> which way ya want to learn?
[15:56] <Shaba1> Ok I hold on
[15:56] <Shaba1> I double clicked it on the deskotp
[15:57] <Shaba1> but now get a dialog that says "Failed to instal packag 'libxvmc_0.1.32-1_i386.deb
[16:03] <Shaba1> hello
[16:11] <Shaba1> vidd
[16:11] <Shaba1> are you still here?
[16:11] <vidd> sorry....
[16:12] <vidd> open up a terminal window......
[16:12] <Shaba1> hold on
[16:12] <Shaba1> trying again
[16:12] <Shaba1> I think I clicked on the wrong file on my desktop
[16:12] <Shaba1> its install in now
[16:13] <vidd> hehe
[16:13] <Shaba1> ok that worked
[16:13] <Shaba1> it says its installed
[16:13] <Shaba1> now how do I get it to change the resolustion
[16:13] <Shaba1> setting manager?
[16:14] <vidd> Shaba1, you will want to restart your desktop.....
[16:14] <vidd> [ctrl]+alt]+[BKSC]
[16:14] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+[BKSC]
[16:25] <Shaba1> Ok I am back
[16:25] <Shaba1> I restarted the desktop and had to sign in again
[16:25] <Shaba1> but I still see the same choices under the display settings applet
[16:26] <Shaba1> vidd:?
[16:29] <vidd> hrm....
[16:30] <vidd> you may need to re-configure your xserver to use the new driver
[16:30] <vidd> which version are you using>?
[16:30] <Shaba1> xfre
[16:30] <vidd> 8.04 or 8.10 (or 6.06)?
[16:30] <Shaba1> i asume
[16:31] <Shaba1> ok
[16:32] <Shaba1> ubuntu version 8.04
[16:33] <Shaba1> I thought that was the ubuntu version #
[16:33] <vidd> the command is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:33] <Shaba1> systems settings says something about gnome.
[16:33] <vidd> you will want to do this from a tty....
[16:34] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+f1]
[16:34] <Shaba1> let me tell you the linux side of things is much more confusing then window
[16:34] <Shaba1> and no I am not a computer newbie
[16:34] <Shaba1> I use to be employed as a windows systems admin
[16:35] <Shaba1> vid: enter that keystroke combination from the terminal
[16:35] <Shaba1> or use that to get TO a terminal window?
[16:35] <vidd> Shaba1, that keystoke will put you into a tty (no gui)
[16:35] <vidd> then you will want to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:36] <vidd> then restart your x server (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[16:36] <vidd> during the reconfigure, you will want to change the driver to the new driver you installed
[16:38] <sinbox> why is sound in xubuntu so hard to work out? :'(
[16:40] <vidd> sinbox, cuzz its evil?
[16:41] <vidd> what problem you having?
[16:41] <sinbox> sound?
[16:41] <sinbox> naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[16:41] <vidd> what sound problem are you having?
[16:41] <sniperlt> Ok vid
[16:41] <vidd> Shaba1, any luck?
[16:42] <Shaba1> vid: that cause a black screen with a blinking cursor to appear
[16:42] <Shaba1> So I had to cold reboot the machine
[16:42] <Shaba1> the good think is now my resolution is correct
[16:42] <vidd> cool
[16:43] <vidd> then rebooting reconfigured your xserver for you
[16:43] <Shaba1> I just wish i understood what just happen :D
[16:43] <sinbox> I just couldn't get it to capture sound for some reason, I ended up installing ubuntu-desktop and got it going in minutes on there, guess I'll have to take another look at it when I have a bit more time and come back with some actual details, I was just here for a general moan today (must be autumn...)
[16:44] <vidd> sinbox, you simply needed to open the sound manager (xfce4-mixer) and unmute the record
[16:45] <vidd> sinbox, it is listed as "capture"
[16:45] <vidd> also, you want to make sure that the correct sound card is selected
[16:46] <sinbox> I did try that, after installing a PCI card and turning off the onboard in the BIOS, and still no dice
[16:46] <Shaba1> Thanks vid
[16:47] <Shaba1> I will keep that one deb on my desktop
[16:47] <vidd> sinbox, did you confirm that xfce4-mixer was set to use the newly installed card instead of the disabled card?
[16:47] <Shaba1> and erase all the other so there is no confusion
[16:47] <vidd> Shaba1, now that its installed, you dont need it anymore
[16:48] <vidd> Shaba1, basically what happened was that you needed to reboot to reload the kernel driver (im sure there is a way to do it from command line but i cant think of it off the top of my head)
[16:49] <vidd> sinbox, when you installed gnome, it would have auto-detected that the onboard card was disabled and auto-selected the neqw card....but if you did this after xfce was installed, then you would have had to tell xfce that the audio device changed since install
[16:50] <Shaba1> I tend to be a packrat
[16:50] <Shaba1> Both in real life and with my computer tools
[16:50] <vidd> Shaba1, it is rude to PM without permission
[16:50] <Shaba1> I always hate to throw things away because I think someday I might need them
[16:51] <vidd> Shaba1, these are easily recovered
[16:51] <Shaba1> I thought you pmed me
[16:51] <Shaba1> with that message??
[16:51] <vidd> but if you must save....make a folder for deb's and move it there
[16:51] <Shaba1> must be the differneces between this irc program and mirc which I am use to using
[16:52] <vidd> when the writing shows up in red....it only means that your name is in the line
[16:52] <vidd> if you /msg someone, it opens a private chat...just like mirc
[16:53] <TheKing> What's the equivelent of ConvertXtoDVD on linux
[16:53] <vidd> Shaba1, oh...and check out tab-autocomplete
[16:54] <Shaba1> I just discovered something about this irc client
[16:55] <vidd> TheKing, what does it do?
[16:55] <Shaba1> when my name is mentioned in a room it pops up a dialog box if the client's window does not have focus
[16:55] <TheKing> It takes any video file you download off the internet and converts it to DVD format
[16:55] <Shaba1> that is why I thought your previous message was a pm vidd
[16:55] <vidd> ic
[16:55] <TheKing> Then you can burn it on the fly
[16:55] <vidd> you are forgiven (this time)
[16:56] <Shaba1> Its call kvirc
[16:56] <Shaba1> I will have to go look up the docs when I get back to the windows side of this machine
[16:56] <vidd> TheKing, check out http://www.linux.com/articles/53702
[16:57] <TheKing> k
[16:57] <vidd> Shaba1, why wait?
[16:57] <Shaba1> I am doing updates now on the xubuntu side
[16:57] <vidd> Shaba1, let me rephrase.....
[16:57] <vidd> why switch back to the windows side?
[16:58] <Shaba1> Oh
[16:58] <Shaba1> I spend much of my time in windows
[16:58] <Shaba1> i use it for work
[16:58] <vidd> we can fix that =]
[16:58] <Shaba1> when I can get computer work
[16:58] <Shaba1> which is not often now
[16:58] <Shaba1> damn this economy
[16:59] <Shaba1> I wanted to get familiar with linux
[17:00] <Shaba1> to give my self another employable skill set
[17:00] <Shaba1> but this laptop does not have enough ram for ubuntu
[17:00] <Shaba1> so someone suggested xubuntu.
[17:01] <vidd> Shaba1, for "marketable" linux, you will also whant to check out Red Hat's linux
[17:13] <sinbox> thanks forthetipvidd I'll cheeckitout when I've got some time, need to run to work now
[17:14] <Shaba1> i know vidd. but i will hve to clear space on my desktop for that.
[17:15] <Schenker80> folks, is it a good idea to have an ethernet connection plugged in when installing xubuntu?
[17:15] <zoredache> sure
[17:16] <Schenker80> should I disable WEP on my router in that case?
[17:16] <Schenker80> like just leave the network open?  or does that not matter when you're plugged right in?
[17:16] <sinbox> does not matter
[17:16] <Schenker80> OK cool thankyou
[17:17] <sinbox> pgrading from WP to WPA might be a good move for your wireless as well
[17:17] <sinbox> upgrading*
[17:17] <sinbox> waoh typolexia galore
[17:18] <Schenker80> sorry I do have WPA
[17:18] <Schenker80> hehe
[17:18] <Shaba1> brb reboot
[17:24] <Max__> i´am back to annoy you with my questions ;)
[17:25] <Max__> does xubuntu has something like a "taskmanager"?
[17:25] <sinbox> top or htop in a terminal
[17:26] <sinbox> maybe not htop on xubuntu actually
[17:27] <Max__> ok, cause my the laptop hanged up
[17:28] <vidd> Max__, they have the same task manager as ubuntu.....
[17:29] <Max__> strg+alt+ent???
[17:30] <vidd> the GUI is gnome-system-monitor and the cli is top
[17:30] <vidd> Max__, ????
[17:30]  * Odd-rationale <3 htop
[17:31] <Max__> yes but how do I get it started when it hung up?
[17:31] <vidd> htop FTW! (should be in the default install)
[17:31] <Max__> i do not get to the terminal
[17:31] <vidd> Max__, can you [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?
[17:32] <Max__> yes
[17:32] <vidd> Max__, i recommend htop .... sudo apt-get install htop
[17:33] <vidd> then use htop to close the misbehaving item
[17:33] <vidd> Max__, you have anything critical running that you need saved on that desktop?
[17:33] <Max__> no
[17:34] <vidd> Max__, then from tty, type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[17:34] <vidd> (tty is where you go when you hit [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]
[17:35] <vidd> Max__, that will restart your desktop and kill every application dependent on the desktop
[17:38] <Max__> works
[17:38] <Max__> thx for reanimating
[17:40] <shaba1> thanks vidd again
[17:43] <Max__> is it normal that i cant play any mp3 files?
[17:48] <zoredache> !restricted
[17:51] <shaba1> thank for the help vidd
[17:55] <vidd> Max__, i still recommend that you install htop so that when you do have something critical, that you can just kill the bad app and then save your work
[18:06] <Schenker80> guys I am installing Intrepid ibex and it's asking me about partitioning.  I don't mind if it deletes everything on the hard drive.  with this in mind what should I choose?  My options are:  Guided - resize IDE Master.......  Guided - user entire disk.       guided - use entire disk and set up LVM       guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM
[18:08]  * vidd chooses manual
[18:08] <Schenker80> ok....
[18:08] <vidd> set up a / partition, a /home partition, and if its a server, a /var partition
[18:08] <vidd> and of course a swap partition
[18:08] <Schenker80> oh man
[18:08] <Schenker80> i have no idea how to do that
[18:08] <Schenker80> that's way out of my league
[18:08] <vidd> choose manual
[18:09] <Schenker80> OK
[18:09] <vidd> first partition will be a swap partition....set that to about 2x your ram
[18:09] <vidd> next partition will be your / partition
[18:10] <vidd> set this to about 1/10th of your remaining hd space, or 6 Gig, whichever is higher
[18:10] <Schenker80> i don't know how to do this....
[18:11] <vidd> when you chose manual, it should show you a partition
[18:11] <vidd> how many partitions are there?
[18:11] <Schenker80> it shows me 4....
[18:11] <Schenker80> 1 - 32kb - apple
[18:11] <vidd> ok....what are the sizes of these partitions?
[18:11] <Schenker80> 2 - 1.0mb BK boot untitled
[18:12] <Schenker80> 3 - 59.1 GB - ext3 - untitled
[18:12] <vidd> *shutter* a MAC
[18:12] <Schenker80> 4 - 765 f swap
[18:12] <vidd> ok.... so you already have a swap partition
[18:12] <vidd> looks like you have a 60 gig hard drive
[18:13] <Schenker80> yes man
[18:13] <Schenker80> i do
[18:13] <vidd> select the first partition, and then choose "remove partiton"
[18:13] <vidd> do this to all partitions except the swap
[18:13] <Schenker80> OK man
[18:13] <Schenker80> hold on
[18:14] <Schenker80> delete the boot one, man?
[18:14] <vidd> yes...all
[18:14] <vidd> and im vidd ... not "man"
[18:14] <Schenker80> sorry, vidd
[18:14] <vidd> this aint the '60's
[18:14] <vidd> =]
[18:15] <Schenker80> ok so now I choose finish partitioning and write changes to disk?
[18:15] <vidd> no
[18:15] <vidd> you should now have swap and "unpartitioned"
[18:15] <Schenker80> yes i do
[18:15] <vidd> select the "unpartitioned"
[18:15] <vidd> we will set it to 6 GB
[18:15] <Schenker80> OK
[18:16] <Schenker80> how do i do that?
[18:16] <Schenker80> automatically partition the free space?
[18:16] <vidd> what is it asking for first?
[18:16] <Schenker80> create a new partition
[18:16] <vidd> select that
[18:16] <Schenker80> OK and 6 gb....
[18:16] <vidd> set it "primary"
[18:17] <vidd> yep
[18:17] <vidd> we want this to be / (should automatically select it)
[18:17] <Schenker80> it's asking me if i want to create it at the beginning or the end
[18:17] <vidd> i would choose beginning
[18:18] <Schenker80> ok I have done that
[18:18] <vidd> Schenker80, will this be a server or a desktop?
[18:18] <Schenker80> desktop machine
[18:18] <vidd> ok...we will do the same as b4
[18:19] <vidd> select the unpartitioned space
[18:19] <vidd> create new partition,
[18:19] <Schenker80> ok...
[18:19] <vidd> leave the size alone (it defaults to all the space left)
[18:19] <Schenker80> this is 53 gi
[18:19] <Schenker80> yeah
[18:20] <Schenker80> OK i have done that
[18:20] <vidd> it should automatically assign it to /home
[18:20] <Schenker80> yes it has :)
[18:20] <Schenker80> should i select done now?
[18:20] <vidd> finish, save changes, and keep on truck'n
[18:20] <vidd> yep
[18:20] <Schenker80> thanks vidd!
[18:20] <Schenker80> much appreciated
[18:20] <vidd> no problem
[18:20] <vidd> pay it forward =]
[18:21] <Schenker80> oh oh
[18:21] <vidd> ?
[18:22] <Schenker80> now it says no newworld boot partition was found .  the yaboot loader requires an appple_bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size using the HFS macintosh file system
[18:22] <Schenker80> then it asks if I want to go back
[18:22] <vidd> hrm....
[18:23] <vidd> lets go back to our partition tables
[18:23] <vidd> remove the /home partition
[18:23] <Schenker80> ah i found a solution
[18:23] <Schenker80> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=376866
[18:23] <Schenker80> should i delete the swap partition?
[18:23] <vidd> well...i was just going to say, take the required space out of the home partition
[18:24] <vidd> Schenker80, NO!!!! swap is important
[18:24] <Schenker80> OK
[18:24] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:24] <Schenker80> so just delete the home partition?
[18:24] <vidd> yes...for now....
[18:24] <Schenker80> ok i have done that
[18:24] <zoredache> you can delete the swap partition, and then build a swap file on one of your data partitions
[18:24] <vidd> now select the free space
[18:25] <Schenker80> OK i have selected the free space
[18:25] <vidd> zoredache, bad doggie...no bone
[18:25] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:25] <zoredache> it is a little slower, and more work,
[18:25] <vidd> Schenker80, ok....we want to set up 2 mb and set it up as that file system
[18:26] <Schenker80> ok.........
[18:26] <vidd> dunno what to name it
[18:27] <Schenker80> so i will select the free space and partition it as 2mb?
[18:27] <vidd> yes
[18:27] <Schenker80> at the beginning?
[18:27] <vidd> doesnt really matter
[18:28] <vidd> we want to use the hfs file system
[18:28] <Schenker80> OK i've done that
[18:28] <Schenker80> oh...
[18:28] <Schenker80> how do i select that?
[18:28] <vidd> remember the page you enter past that says ext3?
[18:28] <Schenker80> yes
[18:29] <vidd> that is where you set that
[18:29] <Schenker80> it doesn't give me hfs as a choice.....
[18:29] <vidd> instead of ext3, choose hfs
[18:29] <vidd> hrm....
[18:29] <Schenker80> it gives me newworld as a choice
[18:29] <vidd> then abort, and redo the partitioning
[18:30] <vidd> that works then
[18:30] <vidd> so we choose that....
[18:30] <vidd> and then use up the rest of the space for /home
[18:30] <Schenker80> newworld?
[18:30] <Schenker80> ok
[18:31] <vidd> yes...newworld for the bootstrap 2mb partition
[18:31] <vidd> be back in 10-15 minutes
[18:31] <Schenker80> OK, thans
[18:34] <Max__> i downloaded open office 3.0.0 for linux now i want to install it but when i unpack it i get another .tar file which is corrupt
[18:38] <zoredache> did the site offer an md5 sum for the file?   Did you check it?
[18:38] <Max__> no
[18:38] <Max__> i diid not check it
[18:42] <vidd> Max__, what is wrong with the OOo in the repos?
[18:42] <vidd> Schenker80, im back
[18:43] <Max__> wait i deleted it will report you later as soon as i extracted it
[18:44] <vidd> Max__, i see that OOo in repos is version 2.4.1
[18:44] <zoredache> vidd: is v3 in the repos, or a ppa somewhere?
[18:44] <vidd> dunno.....
[18:45] <mthorn> quick question. I'm trying to mount an external hard drive on 8.10. When I plug in the device, /dev/sdc appears, but NOT /dev/sdc1. The drive is formatted ntfs. If i plug the drive into my 8.04 machine, both /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 are created.
[18:46] <mthorn> more interestingly, if I do fdisk -l, it does seem to see /dev/sdc1
[18:46] <vidd> Max__, there is a .deb for version 3 on the OOo web site
[18:46] <mthorn> if I try to mount it, I get this error: "mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
[18:46] <mthorn> "
[18:46] <mthorn> any suggestions?
[18:46] <vidd> !ntfs
[18:46] <vidd> mthorn, ^^^^
[18:46] <Max__> "Anerror occurred while loading hte archieve" gzip stdin: not in gzip format tar: childreturned status 1 tar: error exit delayed from previous errors
[18:47] <Schenker80> hi vidd
[18:47] <vidd> Max__, get the deb!
[18:47] <Schenker80> seems to be goin gOK for me now
[18:47] <vidd> Schenker80, you get the partitions up?
[18:47] <Schenker80> yup
[18:47] <Schenker80> it's installing the base system now
[18:47] <Schenker80> thanks again
[18:47] <mthorn> vidd: I've got ntfs-3g installed. It comes with xubuntu 8.10, no?
[18:47] <vidd> mthorn, no
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=en-US&version=3.0.0
[18:48] <Max__> Linux x86 (DEB)
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, unless you need something other then english =]
[18:48] <Max__> is this the right one?
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, click my link
[18:49] <vidd> but yes...that one should work too
[18:49] <vidd> !ntfs-3g
[18:50] <mthorn> well, I ran apt-get and it seems to think I have ntfs-3g installed. And again, there is no /dev/sdc1. Everything I see on the guide you linked me to implies that there should be /dev/sdc1
[18:51] <mthorn> This drive works fine on 8.04.
[18:51] <mthorn> is there anything that would cause ubuntu to not read the partition table?
[18:51] <vidd> mthorn, if the guide dont help....and the driver is installed....then im out of ideas
[18:51] <zoredache> unplug it, then plug it in... then look at dmesg
[18:52] <mthorn> ok, thanks for the help. the dmesg log looks normal to me.
[18:53] <zoredache> do a 'sudo udevtrigger' perhaps?
[18:53] <zoredache> maybe with a --verbose
[18:53] <Schenker80> vidd - why do you think that intrepid ibex uses a text installer rather than a graphical one
[18:53] <vidd> Schenker80, ppc is no longer supported officially
[18:53] <Schenker80> ohhh
[18:53] <Schenker80> so that's why
[18:53] <Schenker80> because it's a port.....
[18:53] <vidd> yep
[18:54] <Schenker80> do you know of any other distributions that I could try on my iBook?  not necessarily ubunutu based...
[18:54] <vidd> Schenker80, in my opinion, text installer is better then graphic anyway
[18:54] <Schenker80> i just find it a little hard to understand to be honest
[18:55] <vidd> Schenker80, sorry....ive never even laid hands on a mac ....
[18:55] <zoredache> Schenker80: debian still maintains their ppc.  They are getting pretty close to a new release so you could probably safely use lenny
[18:55] <Schenker80> cool, zoredache
[18:55] <Schenker80> i will have a look into that
[18:55] <Schenker80> i don't suppose you know if it would be easy to install?
[18:56] <vidd> Schenker80, debian is the same as what you just did
[18:56] <zoredache> it uses the smae installer as ubuntu
[18:56] <vidd> debian does not have a live installer (that im aware of)
[18:56] <Schenker80> oh
[18:56] <Schenker80> is a live installer a graphical installer?
[18:57] <vidd> yes
[18:57] <vidd> and it is evil
[18:57] <Schenker80> seriously?
[18:57] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:58] <vidd> refuses to pass on special kernel configurations need to get the graphical installer loaded (like on my HP machine that requires acpi=off)
[18:59] <vidd> in other words, if you have to pass a kenel option to the live cd to get the live cd to boot, once the install is complete, you have to edit your grub to add those kernel options
[18:59] <vidd> nasty, messy evil stuff
[19:00] <Schenker80> oh i see
[19:00] <vidd> the text installer passes those options
[19:01] <Schenker80> are you guys using xubuntu now?
[19:01] <vidd> therefore, alt is superior to live in all ways
[19:01]  * vidd uses xubuntu on only one machine
[19:01] <Schenker80> what else do  you use?
[19:01] <vidd> all others are ubuntu cli + lxde
[19:02] <anubis> Anyone free to answer a question re: xfce locking up?
[19:02]  * vidd just hasnt had the time to back up all the data on this machine to convert it to cli+lxde
[19:02] <vidd> anubis, can you be a little more specific?
[19:03] <anubis> Sure. XFCE locks up after it shows the desktop icons and Menu at the top.
[19:03] <vidd> anubis, how much ram, swap and free hd space?
[19:05] <anubis> 1.8Ghz Athlon with 1GB Ram, 160 GB free HDD space and 1 GB swap
[19:05] <anubis> Gnome or KDE don't lock up.
[19:05] <vidd> anubis, your swap should always be at least twice your ram
[19:06] <vidd> (i dont think this is your issue)
[19:06] <anubis> My mistake, it's 5 GB swap
[19:06] <vidd> what does top tell you is running?
[19:06] <anubis> Pardon?
[19:07] <vidd> have you ever gotten xfce to load?
[19:08] <anubis> The desktop?  No, it just locks after loading the desktop icons and menu
[19:08] <vidd> when it locks up, can you get to a tty?
[19:08] <vidd> ([ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?
[19:09] <anubis> I would have to reboot to try that.
[19:09] <anubis> I'm in Gnome ATM
[19:09] <vidd> so you are talking on the machine that is having the issue?
[19:09] <anubis> Unfortunately
[19:09] <vidd> hang in there
[19:10] <vidd> so you have your system set to dual boot? or to choose sessions?
[19:11] <anubis> This machine only has Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu on it.
[19:11] <anubis> No windows at all.
[19:11] <anubis> Evidently they don't play well together.
[19:11] <vidd> ok....
[19:11] <anubis> I think it's a graphics card issue.
[19:11] <vidd> i doubt that
[19:11] <anubis> I'm just frustrated ATM
[19:11] <vidd> if it was a graphics card issue, then gnome wiould have the same issue
[19:11] <anubis> I'm kinda new to this.
[19:12] <vidd> thats ok.....
[19:12] <anubis> It's a fresh install of Xubuntu also.
[19:12] <anubis> This way I could choose the session I want.
[19:12] <anubis> I wouldn't mind getting rid of Gnome and KDE 4
[19:12] <anubis> Gnome is ok, KDE4 is quirky.
[19:12] <knome> !purexfce
[19:13] <vidd> so....when you boot, you get to the login screen and THAT is where you decide xfce, gnome or kde?
[19:13] <anubis> Correct
[19:13] <vidd> so that is not a dual boot...and you dont need to reboot to switch sessions
[19:14] <anubis> No
[19:14] <anubis> Just log out.
[19:14] <anubis> I am kind of concerned that uninstalling GNOME and KDE4 will hose the system.
[19:14] <vidd> you should go into your .cache ....
[19:15] <anubis> Ok...(how?)
[19:15] <vidd> then the xfce folder
[19:15] <vidd> in nautilus
[19:16] <vidd> you want to set it to "view hidden"
[19:16] <anubis> Oddly enough, Nautilus doesn't even shop up for whatever reason in Gnome's menus
[19:16] <vidd> no problem....
[19:16] <anubis> Ok, I see it in Dolphin
[19:16] <vidd> open a terminal....
[19:16] <anubis> I'm in .cache
[19:16] <vidd> open xfce
[19:17] <anubis> ok, it's xfce4 if that matters?
[19:17] <vidd> what folders you have?
[19:17] <vidd> *xfce4*
[19:17] <anubis> Just desktop in XFCE4
[19:18] <vidd> ok....delete that folder
[19:18] <anubis> Delete XFCE4 or Desktop IN XFCE4
[19:18] <vidd> (actually, you should be able to delete everything in .cache without fear)
[19:18] <Schenker80> guys i am gonna go now for a while
[19:18] <Schenker80> vidd, thanks again for all your help
[19:18] <Schenker80> seeyas later
[19:18] <vidd> Schenker80, np
[19:18] <anubis> Ok
[19:19] <anubis> The folders in .Cache are as follows:  rhythmbox sessions Thunar totem tracker and xfce4
[19:19] <vidd> you can delete them all....
[19:19] <anubis> Ok
[19:19] <vidd> next time they are needed, they will be re-written
[19:19] <anubis> Done
[19:20] <anubis> Oh, ok
[19:20] <anubis> What's next?
[19:20] <vidd> go into the .config folder
[19:20] <anubis> Ok, there.
[19:21] <vidd> open the "autostart" folder....what is there?
[19:21] <anubis> xfce4-volstatus-icon.desktop
[19:22] <anubis> That's it
[19:22] <vidd> im going to recommend that you move that to some kind of temp folder
[19:22] <vidd> i think that might be causing your lock-up
[19:22] <anubis> Done
[19:23] <anubis> I moved it to Documents
[19:23] <vidd> that is all i see....ready to test?
[19:24] <anubis> I'm crossing my fingers
[19:24] <vidd> never hurts
[19:25] <anubis> Ok, gonna log out now and try this...
[19:25] <anubis> BRB
[19:27] <anubis> It WORKED !!!
[19:27] <vidd> survey says?
[19:28] <anubis> Thank you SO MUCH!
[19:28] <vidd> that will be 36.50 plus tax
[19:28] <vidd> euro's
[19:28] <vidd> =]
[19:28] <anubis> LOL
[19:29] <vidd> USD aint worth what it used to be!
[19:31] <anubis> True
[19:32] <anubis> Now  to get the tv out function to work...
[19:32] <anubis> That's later tho
[19:32] <anubis> Gotta get a new s-video cable
[19:33] <anubis> BRB
[19:46] <anubis> This system doesn't like ATI video cards.
[20:03] <ubd> hello
[20:04] <ubd> i have wifi and i am enterin password for keyring everytime i log in and i dont want this
[20:04] <ubd> i want it to connect automatically without asking a pass
[20:05] <ubd> and
[20:05] <ubd> i want a user to be able to use ubuntu in another language / is this possible
[20:05] <vidd> using in another language is possible
[20:05] <vidd> !translation
[20:05] <vidd> =\
[20:06] <ubd> alright
[20:06] <vidd> keyring password :
[20:06] <ubd> what about keyring vidd
[20:06] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792779
[20:07] <vidd> languages....try http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-349419.html
[20:10] <L_Ryuzaki> hi
[20:11] <L_Ryuzaki> i'm planning on reformating windows will that get rid of my partition for xubuntu?
[20:11] <L_Ryuzaki> or do i have to delete it before i reformat
[20:13] <ubd> thanks vidd your the one
[20:13] <ubd> cya later mate
[20:13] <L_Ryuzaki> anyone know bout my reformating questiong
[20:13] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, it wont "get rid" of them (unless you installed via wubi) but it will make it difficult to re-install grub
[20:13] <L_Ryuzaki> question*
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> alright i used wubi so it should get rid of it for me
[20:14] <ubd> whats wubi
[20:14] <knome> !info flac
[20:14] <vidd> !wubi
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> cause im wanting to get rid of it since it slows my comp way to much, and i only used this to evade a virus i had
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> eh im still going to use wubi i guess to get rid of it just in case
[20:15] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, why not install xubuntu clean as a bual boot?
[20:15] <L_Ryuzaki> cause i don't know how
[20:15] <vidd> it will likely ran faster after the virus eating up your system resorces is gone
[20:15] <ubd> insert the xubuntu disc
[20:16] <L_Ryuzaki> ah, well i'm reformatting today so it should be back to normal, xubuntu is cool unless it's being partitioned
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> i just realized i came in here just to ask a question that i already semi knew what i was going to do
[20:17] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, once its set up, it should run nice
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> i kept xp just since i could make games using it
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> using visual basics
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> that was about the only reason for keeping XP partitioned
[20:18] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, make gtk games.....
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> gtk?
[20:18] <vidd> linux needs games
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> ah. and yes it does
[20:18] <vidd> games that will run in linux
[20:19] <ubd> i think games are not so impoertant as there are many flash games around
[20:19] <ubd> but it will be good have nice games for linux anywyas
[20:19] <L_Ryuzaki> it's nice to have games not built in or not from a site
[21:58] <rdehler> so i'm on 8.04 and i tried to upgrade to 8.10 via Upgrading on http://xubuntu.org/get and I don't get the 'New distribution is available' message
[22:01] <floating> you have to go to software sources
[22:02] <floating> because 8.04 is LTS, there is an option that "install only longe term support distribution updates" or something. you have to change it to "normal updates"
[22:02] <rdehler> did that, now i see it
[22:02] <rdehler> thx
[22:02] <floating> ^^
[23:06] <Shaba1> hello alo
[23:06] <Shaba1> hello all is what I meant to type.
[23:53] <jmichaelx> could someone possibly tell me how to go about adding the gnome network manager applet to an xfce panel?