[18:39] <bcurtiswx> Hi all, im a bug traiger for ubuntu.  I'm wondering how possible it would be to gather OS version and package version (depending on a package is provided in the bug report) to bug reports on submit.  this i guess would regard the manual submissions, as apport on ubuntu will report this automatically.
[18:40] <ScottK> bcurtiswx: You want #launchpad.
[18:41] <bcurtiswx> ScottK: ah, ok.. thought this was more of a future dev... apologies. thx
[18:41] <ScottK> This is more after it's open sourced stuff should happen here.
[18:42] <bcurtiswx> ScottK: gotcha.. thx


[13:45] <steampunkey> today i was shocked to find out that the orange in your tricolour stands for William of Orange's followers
[13:46] <steampunkey> the same one that defeated the last Catholic king of the islands.
[13:46] <steampunkey> i find that very very strange
[13:46] <zmoylan> the flag is meant to indicate peace between the two.  nationalists and loyalists with a white indicating peace
[13:47] <zmoylan> it was given to the irish by the french iirc
[13:47] <steampunkey> i'd understand if it were a flag of the northern ireland - ie the brittish subject. but it's the flag of the republic
[13:48] <steampunkey> zmoylan: i think its history is way more complex than that
[13:48] <zmoylan> it predates the republic.
[13:50] <zmoylan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland#History
[13:50] <steampunkey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland#Symbolism
[13:51] <steampunkey> "When the tricolour was designed in 1848 the Orange Order faced suppression and was in serious decline."
[13:52] <steampunkey> very, very weird.
[13:53] <zmoylan> it's irish history.  weird is a given
[13:53] <steampunkey> when they're marching through streets of northern ireland in orange, they are hated. yet, see - they're on the flag of the republic.
[13:54] <zmoylan> many of out greatest leaders were protestant, parnell and wolf tone.  the most northern part of the island is in the south.  after that it gets complicated :-D
[13:56] <steampunkey> i understand there are protestants in ireland, and people must coexist in peace. but William of Orange - for me, he's the symbol of oppression of Catholicism
[13:57] <zmoylan> i don't think the irish see him that way.  we would have a worse opinion of cromwell.
[13:59] <steampunkey> oooh ". When he produced a Catholic heir, the tension exploded, and leading nobles called on William III of Orange (his son-in-law and nephew) to land an invasion army from the Netherlands, which he did."
[13:59] <steampunkey> never did understand the "huns" insult before. i thought it's racist confusion. now i understand.
[14:02] <steampunkey> wait... are dutch descendants of huns? they aren't are they?
[14:03] <steampunkey> i guess i don't understand the "huns" insult then.
[14:04] <zmoylan> there were a lot of mercenaries in the army that came over.
[14:10] <steampunkey> what do you mean?
[14:12] <zmoylan> most armies in ireland included mercenaries.  hessian (german) troops in ireland are said to have given rise to the phrase kilkenny cats.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny_cat


[07:07] <pleia2> just need blogosphere done now
[07:07] <pleia2> oh, and "in other news"
[07:07] <pleia2> all other summaries copied over :)
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: I think I may be able to be here on Monday :)
[07:16] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: great, I'll give you a ping midday to see if you're around (I have an appointment early in the morning, but should be back around noon or so my time)
[07:16]  * pleia2 sleep &
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: midday your time I'll be at school, I usually arrive home 2pm your time
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> if I'm not here by then, I won't be able to make it
[07:20] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: ok, I'll probably hold off until 3 my time just in case ;)
[07:21] <pleia2> ok for real now sleepies
[07:21] <JoseeAntonioR> night :)
[16:16] <not_found> :'( since Google changed Docs to Google Drive I have no access to it @ work... thus a golden opportunity to work on the news letter is slipping away from me... this sucks on many levels
[16:16] <pleia2> not_found: clicking on http://bit.ly/vDkJyf doesn't work?
[16:17] <pleia2> it's a public document, shouldn't require google login or anything
[16:17] <not_found> pleia2: it is the work firewall... blocking online storage and in this case I get a tunneling error... it won't allow access :/
[16:17] <pleia2> ah :\
[16:18] <not_found> going to be a long 1o hours at work now
[16:18] <not_found> so sorry for not assisting this week...
[16:19] <pleia2> no worries
[16:24] <pleia2> one of the Ubuntu Manual people is doing a call for instructors so will be sending his announcement to ubuntu-news-team, I won't be around today so if someone else wants to put it on fridge that'd be great
[16:24] <pleia2> (unless he posts it in the next 90 minutes or so :)
[16:28] <pleia2> also, comments on fridge are a bit out of control, I think I'm the only one looking at them, and I haven't done a good job
[16:49] <Unit193> I could look and read them, but couldn't help.  posts
[16:51] <holstein> lol.. i still think some of that is constructive
[16:51] <pleia2> which I don't know is strictly in keeping with the CoC, and they post it randomly on unrelated posts
[16:52] <holstein> it is an opinion, and might be news in some cases
[16:52] <pleia2> if they were being constructive I'd probably approve them :)
[16:52] <holstein> some of it is just over the top, and reactionary
[16:52] <pleia2> yeah
[16:53] <not_found> what comments on fridge are you talking about?
[16:53] <holstein> still, i think open and honest is the best policy.. if it fits, run it i say.. folks will know "the truth"
[16:53] <pleia2> not_found: fridge comments
[16:53] <not_found> er....
[16:53] <pleia2> holstein: that's sort of what I do, but then I look and say "uh, I don't know, I'll look at this later/hope someone else does"
[16:53] <pleia2> not_found: fridge.ubuntu.com :)
[16:54] <not_found> ah ok... so the comments are moderated?
[16:54] <pleia2> yep
[16:54] <holstein> pleia2: its a challenge.. but i know you are up to it! :)
[16:54] <pleia2> holstein: haha, I think I need help :)
[16:54] <not_found> pleia2: ah ok... thanks :)
[16:54] <Unit193> pleia2: Mental?
[16:55]  * not_found knows all to well about the tight rope having to walk it daily on the forum...
[16:55] <pleia2> Comments: 44 Pending
[16:55] <pleia2> also don't know what to do about pingbacks, some are just spam
[16:55] <pleia2> but like, aggregate-everything-on-planet-by-default spam
[17:02]  * pleia2 looks at where we're at with summaries
[17:03] <pleia2> done :D
[17:03]  * pleia2 tidy up and copy to wiki
[17:04] <not_found> oh wow... that is cool... nice and early
[17:57] <pleia2> Unit193: Go-Go-Gadget linkchecker! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue278
[17:57] <pleia2> and it's ready for editoral review :)
[18:20] <Unit193> Bit early!  Was eating. :D
[18:20] <pleia2> thanks
[18:20]  * pleia2 off for the day!
[18:21] <Unit193> No detected broken link


[02:28] <mup> PR operator#993 opened: Add process execution simulation to test harness <Created by weiiwang01> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/993>
[02:38] <mup> PR operator#994 opened: Simplify Harness.add_relation by adding app_data and unit_data args <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/994>