[00:01] <IdleOne> Phillip and AmgJesus in #ubuntu
[00:02] <IdleOne> keep an eye open
[00:06] <IdleOne> he is using a shell to connect, your-server.de he knows full well what he is doing
[00:36] <IdleOne> conk seems to think I am out to get him. So maybe someone else ask him for the second time to relax with the ENTER
[00:38] <bazhang> murdoc is a well known troll. removed him.
[00:38] <IdleOne> ok
[00:38] <bazhang> he likes to hang in #freenode and say 'take it to #defocus' (even to staff)
[00:39] <IdleOne> heh
[00:43] <IdleOne> I haven't been around much the past 5 days but does it seem like the trolls are out in extra force today?
[00:44] <bazhang> seems that way. tag-teaming even
[00:44] <IdleOne> yeah
[00:51] <IdleOne> ^^ tested instructions there with nina_ and it works!
[00:51] <IdleOne> let's update that factoid because the current one leaves some packages
[00:59] <elky> is there a IRCCer about?
[01:00] <Pici> elky: hmmm?
[01:01] <Pici> !puregnome
[01:02] <Pici> !no puregnome is <reply> If you want to remove all !KDE packages, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[01:03] <IdleOne> thank you
[01:06] <Jordan_U> Might want to watch hiexpo in #ubuntu
[01:20] <Jordan_U> I'm pretty sure that he's a troll at this point.
[01:27] <Jordan_U> !staff
[01:27] <marienz> hmm?
[01:28] <Jordan_U> marienz: hiexpo is trolling #ubuntu
[01:28] <marienz> you want the ubuntu ops then, right?
[01:28] <Jordan_U> Yes, sorry.
[01:29] <marienz> no problem
[01:32] <Jordan_U> What is the best way to get the ops attention? I don't want to give hiexpo the gratification of a confrontation (which is what he is asking for) by using !ops in #ubuntu.
[01:33] <marienz> he seems to have calmed down already. I'd also expect talking in here to do the trick, but you really need to ask them, not me
[01:45] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic blendmaster1024 (PigeonCluster) warned him about making homophobic comments, he said ok
[02:07] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: you can also /msg ubottu !ops | nick I believe
[02:08] <tsimpson> no, you can't
[02:08] <IdleOne> ok you can't
[02:08] <tsimpson> but you could just  call ops in here :)
[02:08] <IdleOne> true
[02:08] <tsimpson> or rather ops-#ubuntu
[02:44] <xy> anyone has used habak ? i'm trying to get "multi-layered backgrounds" to work, i.e. a collation of 3 images, but looks like, it only draws 1 layer. :\ also i can't get -mc to work :( please help
[02:44] <IdleOne> xy: try asking in #ubuntu please this is not a support channel
[02:45] <tsimpson> IdleOne: ban-forward
[02:45] <xy> IdleOne: oops, i joined #ubuntu, i wonder, how'd i came here.
[02:45] <IdleOne> ahhh
[02:46] <IdleOne> xy: seems you were sent here because you got banned from #ubuntu
[02:46] <xy> looks like there's a channel forwarding.
[02:46] <xy> IdleOne: may i ask the reason ?
[02:47] <IdleOne> I am looking, gimme one minute please
[02:47] <xy> sure, take your time. :)
[02:48] <IdleOne> xy: I don't see a reason why you got banned
[02:48] <IdleOne> tsimpson: ?
[02:49] <tsimpson> I can't see anything either, let me do some digging
[02:49] <xy> *shrugs*
[02:53] <xy> from what i can recall, i would 've been switched to Guest???? a few hours ago, after i reconfigured my znc hosted @ shellium, without the "autoidentify to nickserv" module,  because of some intermittent problems with the shellium server and wrong meta information at motd screen, but laters i fixed that.
[02:54] <tsimpson> this was back in March, I'm doubting it's actually a ban on "you" as such
[02:55] <IdleOne> it is a ban on the nick
[02:55] <IdleOne> xy is registered so
[02:55] <xy> oh then, may i request the unban, i'm not sure of it, either. I don't get banned normally though :)
[02:56] <xy> perhaps, i registered this nick, just a few days earlier, prolly 1 week :)
[02:56] <IdleOne> a year
[02:57] <tsimpson> xy: you can join #ubuntu now, sorry about that
[02:57] <xy> IdleOne: that's when i registered my account :) not this nick
[02:57] <xy> tsimpson: sure, no problem, thanks for the resolution.
[02:58] <tsimpson> ikonia: plz to use comments :)
[02:58] <IdleOne> plz plz :)
[03:05] <meoblast001> hi
[03:06] <meoblast001> i was hanging out in #ubuntu-offtopic, and was informed i'm still technically banned
[03:06] <meoblast001> i did not know this.. what should i do?
[03:09] <IdleOne> meoblast001: who informed you?
[03:09] <meoblast001> rww
[03:10] <IdleOne> I don't see any ban set for you
[03:11] <IdleOne> meoblast001: follow the rules and you should be ok :)
[03:11] <tsimpson> wait please
[03:11] <IdleOne> ohhh
[03:11] <IdleOne> wait
[03:11] <meoblast001> waiting...
[03:12] <tsimpson> meoblast001: there was a ban, but is was removed. so you're fine to be in there
[03:12] <meoblast001> ok
[03:12] <tsimpson> or are you...
[03:12] <tsimpson> hold on :|
[03:12] <meoblast001> O_o
[03:12] <IdleOne> haha
[03:12] <tsimpson> nope, you are actually still banned
[03:12] <IdleOne> hang the cheese out there then tell the mouse not to eat it
[03:12] <meoblast001> ah, ok
[03:13] <meoblast001> ok, thanks for clearing that up
[03:13] <meoblast001> bye
[03:13] <tsimpson> you could wait here for an -offtopic op and discuss....
[03:13] <tsimpson> never mind
[03:14] <IdleOne> :/
[03:18] <tsimpson> fwiw, I set a ban on $a:meoblast001, so if he's identified to services he'll be banned
[03:19] <tsimpson> probably the best one can do with a dynamic IP and ever-changing ident
[03:20] <IdleOne> tsimpson: how old was the ban?
[03:21] <tsimpson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:00] <ZachK_> hello?
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> ZachK_: What can we do for you?
[06:03] <ZachK_> tonyyarusso: ah hello...got a question...
[06:04] <ZachK_> I'm looking to eventually become one of you...an operator..was wondering how i go about that
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> Oh geez, we totally just rewrote that process.....um
[06:05] <ZachK_> Lol
[06:06]  * tonyyarusso searches for the doc
[06:06] <ZachK_> here's my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZachK_ incase you're curious
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> Oh yeah!  You apply on LP.
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> I swear we have a full explanation here somewhere though.
[06:07] <ZachK_> LP link?
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Here it is - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[06:09] <ZachK_> tonyyarusso: thanks..I'll look at those and then get back with you if that's ok
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> Sure thing
[06:10] <ZachK_> well the only channel i can OP in is #ubuntu-beginners-wiki as I'm the Beginners Team Wiki Lead right now so i don't think i qualify from what i'm reading
[06:11] <ZachK_> and of course my personal channel
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> It's saying you have to start on one channel and work your way up, not jump in headfirst.
[06:41] <mneptok> ZachK_: are there official Ubuntu channels where you are active?
[07:02] <ZachK_> mneptok: i usually hang around in #ubuntu
[07:02] <ZachK_> mneptok: and #ubuntu-beginners #kubuntu
[07:02] <mneptok> ZachK_: but you're not *active*
[07:02] <ZachK_> mneptok: active as in assisting people? yes i am
[07:03] <mneptok> using this nick?
[07:03] <ZachK_> always
[07:03] <ZachK_> only nick i use
[07:03] <mneptok> http://paste.debian.net/75949
[07:04] <ZachK_> yeah my internet kept cutting out...and I've been doing multiple things today not to mention the other channels im in
[07:04] <mneptok> that's your chatting history from #ubuntu for all of 2010
[07:05] <ZachK_> Yes i understand that...don't think i'm saying that I'm there every day all the time...nor am i saying that I deserve this right now...it's something that I'm trying to attain
[07:06] <mneptok> ZachK_: i don't want to seem like i'm picking on you, but IRC ops are generally chosen from very active channel members. and you're simply not active in #ubuntu. so i asked if there's another channel where you *are* active.
[07:06] <ZachK_> mneptok: well have you heard of the beginners team?
[07:07] <mneptok> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam  <---- that team?
[07:07] <ZachK_> mneptok: yes
[07:07] <ZachK_> Full member/mentor and the BT's Wiki FG lead...so any bt channels i'm usually in almost 27-7
[07:08] <ZachK_> "24-7 i mean
[07:08] <ZachK_> mneptok: I'll be back in 30 minutes...gotta run and get some dinner
[07:08] <mneptok> np
[07:08] <ZachK_> k
[08:31] <mneptok> !songbird
[08:34] <mneptok> @login
[08:36] <mneptok> ubottu: no, songbird is <reply>Songbird is a media player based on Mozilla. Official Linux builds and support ended in April, 2010. See http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune for more information. Ubuntu installation instructins at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[08:36] <mneptok> !songbird
[08:41] <jussi> ZachK_: is there something more you need from us?
[08:55] <jussi> Happy birthday mneptok!!!!
[08:56]  * mneptok does a disturbing little birthday dance
[08:59] <ZachK_> mneptok: i'm back..sorry it took me so long
[09:00] <mneptok> ZachK_: do you use Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or ... ?
[09:01] <ZachK_> mneptok: My Linux distro of choice is Ubuntu...i'm using Vista atm though..soon to dual boot ubutnu/vista. (Vista needed for my itunes)
[09:01] <mneptok> ZachK_: i would strongly recommend adding the official channel for your Ubuntu flavor to your auto-join list. and be active there. the -beginners team is, AFAICS, not an official team.
[09:02] <mneptok> ZachK_: ops will not be selected unless the core ops team and the IRC Council have seen sustained, meaningful commitment from a candidate.
[09:03] <ZachK_> mneptok: Like I said...not something I expected nor wanted like, right now. I know that I don't have enough experience for that type of job...not to mention I'm running two, almost three different projects right now...just was something I wanted to attain in the foreseable future
[09:04] <mneptok> i'm just letting you know the requisites for candidacy.
[09:04] <mneptok> or, rather, successful candidacy.
[09:05] <ZachK_> yeah
[09:05] <mneptok> IIRC, all the recently approved new ops have been actively contributing in the core channels for years. not months.
[09:06] <ZachK_> mneptok: I totally understand...just wanted to get some info was all....
[09:06] <mneptok> not a problem
[09:07] <mneptok> asking for info is better than asking for +o ;)
[09:07] <ZachK_> Well thanks for your time....now I must go back and manage the Wiki FG....
[09:07] <ZachK_> mneptok: Yeah I agree with that..
[09:07] <mneptok> ZachK_: note that we have a no-idling policy stated in the /topic. that's why jussi /kick'ed you earlier.
[09:08] <ZachK_> Yes I caught that...just got back downstairs....
[09:08] <mneptok> jussi gets cranky when he hasn't had his juice box and a nap.
[09:08] <ZachK_> LOL
[09:08] <ZachK_> Now that's funny
[09:09] <mneptok> not really. he throws things and uses Finnostralian profanity.
[09:09] <ZachK_> Ok mneptok thanks again. Gotta head out and prepare my meeting Schedule/Topic for the Wiki.....(lovely.........)
[09:10]  * ZachK_ out
[09:13] <jussi> !maverick
[09:14] <arand> I though it should be updated with the channel, etc. ?
[09:14] <jussi> !no, maverick is <reply> Maverick Meerkat is the codename for Ubuntu 10.10, due October 2010 - Maverick is Not released and Not Stable, discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[09:14] <jussi> ;)
[09:14] <jussi> thanks!
[09:14] <arand> cheers
[09:18]  * Tm_T tries to wake up
[10:34] <ikonia> balzac back doing his regular "bruder" troll crap
[10:43] <rocket16> Hello respected Operators.
[10:43] <ikonia> rocket16: I've forwarded you here to resolve this issue
[10:44] <rocket16> I need your help on a matter, I have been wrongly kicked off the Ubuntu support channel.
[10:44] <ikonia> rocket16: please do not advertise randomly, any channels ubuntu or not in #ubuntu, if someone needs a specific channel, please give them, but don't activly advertise channels
[10:44] <rocket16> Bazhang, are you here? Can you please help me a way out?
[10:45] <ikonia> I have first of all asked you to not do this, you argued it, I tried to explain the reasons, you argued, I have then told you not to do it, you've argued it, I've asked you to stop arguing it, you've continued to argue, so I've forwarded you here to explain the issue and resolve it
[10:45] <Tm_T> rocket16: you better talk with ikonia for now
[10:45] <ikonia> if you can please not advertise channels in #ubuntu in future, and when someone asks you then tells you to stop, don't argue it, just accept it,
[10:45] <ikonia> if you really feel stong about it, then join this channel to discuss it futher
[10:45] <rocket16> ikonia: A simple information does not matter much, does it? Also we could have simply put an end to the matter. I did not know that you are an Operator anyway.
[10:46] <ikonia> if you can accept that and abide by it, I'm happy to remove te ban
[10:46] <ikonia> rocket16: yes, information DOES matter
[10:46] <Tm_T> rocket16: if someone is an operator or not is irrelevant
[10:46] <rocket16> Tm_T: I see, ok thanks for info.
[10:46] <ikonia> rocket16: is it ok for me to post -uk advertisments, or Pici to post -usa loco advertisments no
[10:47] <rocket16> ikonia: But that was a support channel too, and those exist as a part of support as a country-specific category
[10:47] <ikonia> it can't be one rule loco channel and not for another, so if you advertise the channel, I can't stop anyone else advertising their locos
[10:47] <ikonia> rocket16: but you're advertising a channel in a support channel
[10:47] <Tm_T> rocket16: and not need to be advertised actively like you do
[10:47] <ikonia> its not a recruiting channel
[10:47] <rocket16> ikonia: I see,
[10:47] <ikonia> rocket16: if someone guy comes in looking for the indian channel, or would be better served by the indian channel, give it to him, but don't randomly seek out people to populate it in a support channel
[10:48] <rocket16> ikonia: Well, I admit my mistake, might be I had been offtopic.
[10:48] <ikonia> you where offtopic - fact
[10:48] <ikonia> rocket16: I'm more concerned that you kept arguing the point when asked and then told to stop
[10:48] <rocket16> ikonia: Ok, my apologies.
[10:48] <ikonia> but if your comfortable with the rules now, I have no issue removing the ban
[10:49] <rocket16> ikonia: Well, I did not know this rule, but I'll keep that in mind.
[10:49] <ikonia> rocket16: I told you the rule, eg: asking you to stop and then telling you to stop
[10:49] <ikonia> however, I've removed the ban, please keep in mind is someone (not just an operator) asks you to stop something, at try to respect it, it's a community channel
[10:50] <ikonia> if you have a real issue with it, join this channel and ask an operator for help
[10:50] <rocket16> ikonia: Well, but didn't I also say that we should put an end to the matter, as it might had been offtopic?
[10:50] <rocket16> ikonia: Well, thank you.
[10:50] <rocket16> Thank you ikonia and other operators
[13:04] <Pici> !no it-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Vai su #ubuntu-it-chat (scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it-chat » ) per conversare in italiano. Grazie!!no it-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Vai su #ubuntu-it-chat (scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it-chat » ) per conversare in italiano. Grazie!
[13:04] <Pici> !no it-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Vai su #ubuntu-it-chat (scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it-chat » ) per conversare in italiano. Grazie!
[13:04] <Pici> !it-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Vai su #ubuntu-it-chat (scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it-chat » ) per conversare in italiano. Grazie!
[13:04] <Pici> oops :P
[15:04] <IdleOne> hellwolf is not going to stop until you ban him.
[15:05] <IdleOne> you can put up with his semi not so great english where it might suggest language barrier but a person who claims to not know what google is but figured out the factoid syntax in 3 seconds is a troll
[15:06] <funkyHat> It would help if people didn't feed
[15:06] <IdleOne> they need a kick also
[15:08] <IdleOne> be back in a bit
[15:56] <tsimpson> Pici: do you know why !proxy was forgotten?
[15:58] <Pici> tsimpson: Because it didn't really have anything to do with proxies?
[15:59] <Pici> tsimpson: Feel free to add it again if you think it should be there.
[16:00] <tsimpson> Pici: I just didn't realise it was forgotten, so I need to update the topic of #kubuntu-proxy-users
[16:00] <Pici> tsimpson: oh, sorry. I should have checked those channels.
[16:05] <hellwolf06> what shall i do???
[16:06] <fishcooker> help
[16:06] <tsimpson> fishcooker: can we help you?
[16:07] <fishcooker> i don't know what i am doing here
[16:07] <hellwolf06> its all c0cky
[16:07] <fishcooker> what kind of cocky
[16:07] <hellwolf06> i occasionaly sent it in uubotu
[16:07] <fishcooker> LoL
[16:08] <hellwolf06> cocky is a good man
[16:08] <tsimpson> fishcooker: where did you expect to be?
[16:08] <hellwolf06> in bestbot
[16:08] <hellwolf06> ubuntu-bots
[16:09] <tsimpson> hellwolf06: I asked fishcooker
[16:09] <hellwolf06> i know
[16:09] <hellwolf06> him
[16:09] <hellwolf06> he is afraid of ops
[16:09] <tsimpson> hellwolf06: can we help you with something?
[16:09] <hellwolf06> so he wrote me to say that
[16:10] <hellwolf06> dont pay on my edition any attension
[16:10] <fishcooker> im confuse
[16:10] <fishcooker> d
[16:10] <tsimpson> hellwolf06: ok, anything else?
[16:11] <hellwolf06> i mean cocky is a good man
[16:11] <hellwolf06> i wanted to wright it to fishcoocker
[16:11] <hellwolf06> yes fishcoocker?
[16:11] <tsimpson> hellwolf06: if you have no business here, please leave
[16:12] <hellwolf06> no
[16:12] <hellwolf06> its true
[16:12] <funkyHat> hellwolf06 is probably here because he was banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:12] <hellwolf06> funky hat
[16:12] <funkyHat> hellwolf06: please let tsimpson deal with fishcooker first, thankyou.
[16:13] <hellwolf06> what deal
[16:13] <hellwolf06> ok i know english bad so what
[16:13] <hellwolf06> unban me please
[16:13] <hellwolf06> =(
[16:13] <fishcooker> tsimpson have hellwolf06 banned, please :D
[16:13] <hellwolf06> ='(
[16:13] <hellwolf06> noo
[16:15] <tsimpson> fishcooker: did you try to join a channel before entering here?
[16:17] <fishcooker> !hello world
[16:17] <tsimpson> um, k
[16:18] <hellwolf06> dont ban nn me
[16:18] <hellwolf06> unbann me
[16:18] <hellwolf06> bye
[16:18] <hellwolf06> =(
[16:19] <hellwolf06> ='-(
[16:19] <hellwolf06> ="""-(
[16:20] <hellwolf06> i am sad
[16:20] <tsimpson> funkyHat: *poke*
[16:21] <hellwolf06> i will never do so
[16:21] <hellwolf06> its the first and last time
[16:22] <funkyHat> Hi
[16:23] <funkyHat> hellwolf06: are you going to stop asking silly questions which you could easily find the answer to on google or in a dictionary?
[16:27] <hellwolf06> yes
[16:27] <hellwolf06> no more angry cock suckers
[16:27] <hellwolf06> yes
[16:28] <hellwolf06> funkyhay,yes
[16:29] <funkyHat> !guidelines
[16:29] <hellwolf06> funkyhat,yes
[16:30] <hellwolf06> unban me
[16:30] <hellwolf06> please
[16:30] <tsimpson> read the link
[16:30] <hellwolf06> please
[16:31] <hellwolf06> please
[16:32] <hellwolf06> OK
[16:32] <hellwolf06> Don't flood the channel
[16:33] <hellwolf06> Ok
[16:33] <hellwolf06> unban me
[16:35] <hellwolf06> ok i will not flood and i will obey the rules
[16:37] <funkyHat> oh
[16:37] <fishcooker> why
[16:38] <funkyHat> I'm not really sure -_-
[16:38] <tsimpson> fishcooker: why are you here again?
[16:39] <fishcooker> :D
[16:39] <fishcooker> see what happen here
[16:40] <ikonia> fishcooker: what do you need from us ?
[16:41] <fishcooker> ummmm
[16:41] <tsimpson> !idle
[16:42] <fishcooker> i will be disappeared in 3 second
[16:42] <fishcooker> bye2
[16:45] <funkyHat> I guess I was thinking I should give him another chance but he's clearly just trolling so is there any point?
[16:47] <tsimpson> he doesn't seem to want to respect the rules, so...
[16:51] <mneptok> Happy, happy birthday in a hot bath. To those nice, nice nights. I remember always, always I got such a fright seeing them in my dark cupboard with my great big cake. If they were me, if they were me. And I was you, and I was you. If they were me and I was you would you have liked a present, too?
[16:51]  * mneptok prances around
[16:51] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40K2S0-5Xo0
[17:05]  * jrib closes tab
[17:14] <marienz> bad marienz, don't forget to deop after dealing with a spammer/troll!
[17:15]  * marienz hits self with newspaper
[17:55] <h00k> mneptok: Birthday, when was yours?
[17:56] <h00k> s/was/is/
[17:58] <mneptok> h00k: right now :)
[17:58] <Pici> eww.
[17:59] <Pici> I mean.. happy birthday!
[17:59] <h00k> mneptok: mine was yesterday, have a happy one today!
[17:59] <Pici> Happy birthday h00k!
[17:59] <Pici> topyl-i's is on the 20th
[17:59] <h00k> Pici: thanks :)
[17:59] <h00k> I've been super busy, I haven't been on here a ton :(
[18:00] <h00k> ...iPoRn is somewhat disconcerning
[18:01] <h00k> the nickname in #ubuntu, anyway
[18:02] <Pici> android: I'm surprised that nick was available.
[18:03] <android> Pici: i have had it for a while
[18:04] <Pici> android: still.
[18:04] <Tm_T> that reminds me...
[18:04] <android> I got it before it was really popular.
[18:04] <h00k> is alabd banned yet?
[18:04] <Pici> h00k: He was unbanned.
[18:04] <Pici> android: Well, the word existed before Google got their hands on it.
[18:05] <h00k> Pici: alright, just chcekin'
[18:05] <h00k> @login
[18:05] <android> Pici: true
[18:05] <h00k> @btlogin
[18:05] <jpds> Pici: And it could of been a Paranoid Android.
[18:06] <Tm_T> it's mine now!
[18:06] <android> Oh dear
[18:06] <Pici> Nicks      : Pici Pici` Picipod ZarroBoogs bnrubin talkingmuffin
[18:09] <android> Hrr, cant figure out how to copy...
[18:10] <Tm_T> android: possibly there's no sensible way
[18:11] <android> Evil jussi: 01 o1 android TheBigCheese
[18:11] <android> :D
[18:11] <mneptok> jussi's drunk again
[18:12] <android> mneptok: no...
[18:12] <mneptok> h00k: go watch that video!
[18:12] <mneptok> h00k: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40K2S0-5Xo0
[18:13]  * android eyes the jaloviina
[18:13] <mneptok> h00k: and *crank* the volume.
[18:13] <h00k> mneptok: standby, at work and on a webinar
[19:31] <funkyHat> blar
[19:32] <jpds> floo
[19:33] <funkyHat> flib
[19:35] <jpds> mneptok: ...
[19:50] <mneptok> jpds: yes?
[20:11] <Pici> !-shout
[20:11] <Pici> err.
[20:11] <knome> har
[20:12] <knome> fail. try again.
[20:33] <Pici> hrm.  It looks like a lot of links that point to ubuntu.com pages are broken with the website redesign.  I really wish that they had setup redirects for those pages.
[20:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Lots of the old pages were taken down completely
[20:41] <Tm_T> indeed, example all those pages that explained governing in ubuntu are now bundled to one, and all related links in wiki are broken I guess
[20:47] <charlie-tca> I discovered it trying to go to the mailing list etiquette page. It is gone
[20:48] <charlie-tca> What was mailinglists/etiquette got added to mailing lists itself - http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
[20:49] <knome> hey charlie-tca :)
[20:49] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome
[22:32] <Guest44417> hey guys can someone help me get unbanned from ubuntu
[22:43] <Tm_T> Guest44417: you remember why you got banned?
[22:45] <Guest44417> uh yeah
[22:46] <Tm_T> what was it?
[22:46] <Guest44417> said noob in the channel
[22:46] <Tm_T> it's not just that, the general attitude behind those actions
[22:47] <Guest44417> ic
[22:47] <Tm_T> Guest44417: you understand that #ubuntu is support channel, and is supposed to be friendly and supportive atmosphere?
[22:47] <Tm_T> !guidelines > Guest44417
[22:48] <Guest44417> i guess
[22:48] <Tm_T> you guess?
[22:48] <Guest44417> well guess so
[22:49] <Tm_T> guessing won't help now (:
[22:49] <Guest44417> um yes?
[22:49] <Tm_T> Guest44417: you understand that #ubuntu is support channel, and is supposed to be friendly and supportive atmosphere?
[22:49] <Guest44417> um yes?
[22:50] <Tm_T> good, you have read those guidelines ubottu msg'd you?
[22:51] <Guest44417> yeah just did
[22:51] <Tm_T> good
[22:53] <Tm_T> Guest44417: I removed the ban, stay in friendly and supportive attitude and all is fine (:
[22:53] <Guest44417> alright thanks
[22:54] <Tm_T> Guest44417: you can join #ubuntu now
[22:58] <funkyHat> arr wahh wahhh
[23:00] <Tm_T> Guest44417: if there's no other issues, you may leave this channel
[23:12] <popey> a question for ops... do some/most loco irc channels 'allow' the ubuntu irc team to be ops in those channels?
[23:12] <popey> as a 'backup' for when something happens and no local ops are about?
[23:16] <Tm_T> popey: irc team? you mean council?
[23:16] <popey> i mean people who do regular ops duties in places like #ubuntu
[23:16] <popey> people who hang out in here
[23:17] <Tm_T> hmm, that would require picking them individually... doesn't happen in -fi atleast
[23:17] <popey> there isnt a mask that could be used?
[23:18] <Tm_T> popey: well, there's ubuntu members cloak, but that's not what you're after
[23:18] <popey> yeah
[23:18] <popey> maybe we should just have more ops who are around a lot at the moment
[23:18] <Tm_T> what time you have problems most?
[23:19] <popey> its not really a time thing
[23:19] <Tm_T> oh
[23:19] <funkyHat> popey: if you could do with more ops in -uk I'd be happy to volunteer. I'm mostly in -offtopic but I idle there and don't mind being "on call" or whatever you want to call it ⢁)
[23:19] <popey> ok, thanks
[23:19] <Tm_T> popey: recruiting that is then (:
[23:26]  * gnomefreak should really read email more carefully i just noticed ubottu is gone in -mozillateam
[23:26] <gnomefreak> is that what the email was about?
[23:26] <Tm_T> ?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i dont recall who but there was a email to the mailing list about the bots
[23:27] <gnomefreak> i dont have GUI atm so i cant read it
[23:28] <Tm_T> right
[23:28] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes, there were a bit of bot reorganisation
[23:30] <gnomefreak> ubot4 works fine i just should have read it completely before losing GUI
[23:33] <gnomefreak> is this going to interfere with anything. for example will loging into ubot4 using @login be the same as with ubottu?
[23:38] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I suppose
[23:38] <Tm_T> but I don't know for sure
[23:44] <gnomefreak> ok ill try to get X back tomorrow and read it
[23:44] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: thanks
[23:46] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots is good source
[23:48] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: thanks ill save it for tomorrow :)
[23:50] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I would assume #ubuntu-bots-team is best place to ask questions if there's any after you have read mail & all


[01:38] <beuno> elkbuntu, around?
[03:19] <beuno> hello
[03:19] <somerville32> Hi
[03:19] <beuno> how's it going?
[03:19] <somerville32> lol
[03:20] <somerville32> My edgy-> Feisty has failed
[03:20] <Burgundavia> heh
[03:20] <beuno> : /
[03:20] <beuno> it's a bit early to jump, ain't it?
[03:20] <somerville32> I'm a developer
[03:21] <somerville32> pesudo-developer, haha
[03:21] <Burgundavia> not really
[03:21] <somerville32> Burgundavia, not really too early to jump?
[03:21] <beuno> somerville32: any idea what happend to UWN 27?
[03:21] <beuno> it's not on gobby, it's not on the wiki
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[03:22] <Burgundavia> somerville32: I am only here for about 10 more minutes, then I am off again for a few days
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> errrr
[03:23] <somerville32> UWN 27 is... missing?
[03:23] <beuno> it's not on gobby
[03:23] <beuno> it's not on the wiki
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> looks like it somerville32
[03:24] <beuno> I've been waiting around for you   ;D
[03:25] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, What happened? Wasn't it on your server?
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: It was - I'm not sure
[03:26] <somerville32> It doesn't just disappear...
[03:27] <Burgundavia> did you guys have it saving every 10 minutes? poingrus server did
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Every five I think, but I don't see anything in the file.
[03:28] <somerville32> So... vanadal?
[03:28] <somerville32> I guess this is why we don't leave it in gobby, lol
[03:29] <somerville32> Burgundavia, have you sent out UWN 26 yet and can I get the passwd for the ml?
[03:29] <Burgundavia> yes and yes, just a sec
[03:29] <Burgundavia> one thing about it, always make everybody go to moderation
[03:30] <somerville32> Burgundavia, What do you mean?
[03:30] <beuno> somerville32: maybe we should have a *private* gobby and not make the password public?
[03:30] <Burgundavia> don't flag your email as allowing anything you send through
[03:30] <somerville32> beuno: Nah. If we import back to the wiki after we're done each time, then we'll be fine.
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I would be far more likely to say my server had a panic attack, got in a fistfight with its multiple personalities, and got drunk and threw up the file before I blamed vandals.
[03:31] <Burgundavia> what is your email, somerville32?
[03:31] <somerville32> Burgundavia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:31] <Burgundavia> forwarded
[03:32] <somerville32> Awesome.
[03:32] <beuno> so... UWN 27 is MIA?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> somerville32: ok, you are now a list admin as well
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Does bash have variables for date/time that could be used in a script to put them in a filename?
[03:34] <beuno> tonyyarusso: yeap  (looking for it, but I've used it before)
[03:34] <somerville32> UWN 27 is fine
[03:34] <somerville32> Wiki has revisions
[03:35] <somerville32> mdke will have to make his additions again
[03:35] <somerville32> Any work we got done... will have to be done again
[03:35] <somerville32> Does anybody have any newer revision?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> somerville32: btw, 26 looked great
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to make a cronjob to get multiple layers of backups in place
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> beuno: there's the stuff in 'man date' - can I use that somehow?
[03:37] <beuno> yes, looking for the syntax
[03:37] <somerville32> Just use the date command
[03:37] <somerville32> "moo" > moo-`data <syntax>`
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> "moo" > moo-`date +%a` , for instance?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Beautiful.
[03:39] <beuno> tonyyarusso: this was helpful when cooking up bash scripts:  http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashPitfalls
[03:40] <somerville32> Burgundavia, You think so? I wasn't so pleased with 26
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Count to 500 and then visit http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/
[03:45] <somerville32> That better have UWN 27 :P
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> nope
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> but if I get it working might help in the future
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> which it didn't
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[03:46] <somerville32> Well, I'm going to look into this later.
[03:47] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Please send me a copy of the logs.
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> why does cron hate me..
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: We have nothing, literally nothing.
[03:47] <somerville32> What about the other sobby servers? Did they die too?
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Well, I have a full session file from yours for teaching code, but neither of the real ones
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> I'm sorry, this probably comes down to being my fault.
[03:54] <somerville32> Probably :]
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> (so not needed this week...)
[03:54] <somerville32> Hm?
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> I have to go back to school tomorrow, I'm already stressed enough.
[03:55] <somerville32> I got called into work today
[03:55] <somerville32> so I'm super tired :]
[03:55] <beuno> I can setup a backup gobby server with backups if that reliefs some stress...
[03:56] <somerville32> Ummm... I think we'll get the primary gobby server back online
[03:56] <somerville32> :]
[03:56] <beuno> with backups...?   ;)
[03:57] <beuno> probably not the best time to joke around
[03:57] <beuno> I'll work on UWN tomorrow on the wiki to try and get back on rack
[03:57] <beuno> track
[03:59] <somerville32> Perfect.
[03:59] <somerville32> Remember that the release date is the 8th
[03:59] <somerville32> We gotta boggy
[03:59] <beuno> yes, closes the 7th, release the 8th
[04:00] <somerville32> Well... thats how it suppose to go, yes :()
[04:00] <somerville32> :D
[04:02] <beuno> seems we got a translation to portugues of the UWN 26
[04:02] <somerville32> :D
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> NOW look at http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> That format is dayofweek_hourinUTC
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Should do it every hour on the 55-past mark
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Set up an rsync of that so you have them.
[04:04] <beuno> ok, good
[04:04] <beuno> will do
[04:04] <beuno> you created a shell account for me?
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> beuno: No - can't you just get from the folder?
[04:04] <beuno> with rsync, I'm not sure
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> Not sure how rsync works, but wget http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/* would do it, so I assume it's possible.
[04:05] <beuno> although I could cron "wget" instead
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> If not, use wget I guess :)
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> Although, that's lame
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> We'll talk some other time about how rsync works, b/c I know it's better but don't know how to use it.
[04:05] <beuno> I can setup a sheel account for this
[04:06] <beuno> and give you the command to send it with a cron
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> that would work
[04:06] <beuno> although automatic rsync is a pain to setup too (need the rsa keys and all that on each side)
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> eww
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> Like I said, another time :)
[04:07] <beuno> yeap
[04:07] <beuno> I'll try and find a "paste this" solution
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> Actually, hold on there
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> If you set up wget with the same variable, you could get just the one file.
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> It's running cp /home/anthony/.uwn_sobby_session /var/www/ubuntu/uwn_backups/`date -u +%a_%H`
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> So you could do 'wget http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/`date -u +%a_%H`' and run it a few minutes later
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> Let me change it to be earlier in the hour so that works
[04:09] <beuno> if we have the same time, yes
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> If you're syncing, you will :)
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> There, it's on the 45 of the hour
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> If you run yours on the 55, we have ten minutes of buffer between our clocks
[04:10] <beuno> malbiset@rh1 [~] # date
[04:10] <beuno> Sat Jan  6 00:10:34 ART 2007
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> Sat Jan  6 03:10:56 UTC 2007
[04:11] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Use the -u switch to get utc
[04:11] <beuno> Sat Jan  6 03:11:46 UTC 2007
[04:12] <beuno> :/
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> there we go
[04:12] <beuno> well
[04:12] <beuno> the hour works
[04:13] <beuno> setting it up
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> Just cron the wget above then and it should work
[04:14] <somerville32> :)
[04:16] <beuno> can you generate one now
[04:16] <beuno> so I can test it?
[04:16] <beuno> 03
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> done
[04:18] <beuno> http://www.uluga.com.ar/gobby_backup/
[04:18] <beuno> I'm running it on minute 55
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> yay
[04:19] <beuno> ;D
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> We should add this info to the editing policies page
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> done
[04:23] <beuno> I love "redundant" stuff
[04:27] <beuno> ok, restored wiki
[04:27] <somerville32> Perfect.
[04:27] <somerville32> We'll need to notify people of what has happened
[04:28] <somerville32> Please e-mail ubuntu-marketing on my behalf
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> I will
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> beuno: I don't know how, but it would be awesome if you had a script such that if your wget 404d it set off an e-mail alarm to you and I :)
[04:31] <beuno> hmmm
[04:31] <beuno> ok
[04:31] <beuno> I'll see what I can up with
[04:31] <beuno> what I *can* so
[04:32] <beuno> do
[04:32] <beuno> now
[04:32] <beuno> is for you to get an email every time the cron runs with it's outpuy
[04:32] <beuno> output
[04:33] <beuno> but that guarantees 1 email per hour
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> Preferably only e-mail on error
[04:36] <beuno> can't find an easy way
[04:36] <beuno> maybe a secod cron job
[04:36] <beuno> that checks what happend
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> that would work
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> see if the expected file exists
[04:38] <beuno> yeap
[04:38] <beuno> to what address?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> hmm, good question
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> This nick AT earthlink DOT net
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> I'll have to allow it the first time, so send me a dummy message before something goes wrong :)
[04:47] <beuno> ok
[04:47] <beuno> one sec
[10:12] <rjian> hello somerville32
[02:26] <Riddell> somerville32: humph, UWN is missing my kubuntu article that I put on gobby
[02:27] <Riddell> oh, hang on, that's No 26
[02:27] <Riddell> hmm, the No 27 wiki page is also missing it
[02:29] <elkbuntu> Riddell, slight technical... disintergration happened
[02:29] <elkbuntu> 27 as it was got lost into the ether
[02:29] <Riddell> oh crivvens
[02:29] <Riddell> ok, I'll re-write
[02:29] <elkbuntu> yeah.. that was the basic reaction earlier
[02:30] <elkbuntu> nobody has much choice on that, so thanks :)
[02:30] <Riddell> may I recommend a collaborative editor that has an undo function? :)
[02:31] <elkbuntu> Riddell, if you know of one?
[02:32] <Riddell> mateedit
[02:32] <Riddell> actually, that won't work, it only does local network sessions as I remember
[02:33] <Riddell> oh well, I've put my bit back now
[02:33] <elkbuntu> many thanks :)
[02:33] <elkbuntu> i believe they're doing hourly backups of it now, so fingers and toes crossed
[08:33] <bethko> Hello, I have what is most likely a stupid question. Why is it that when ever I'm in an Ubuntu chat room there is nothing going on?
[08:35] <somerville32> join #ubuntu
[08:35] <somerville32> It is always active
[08:38] <bethko> Yeah, too active. I can't keep up.
[08:38] <juliux> hi all
[08:38] <bethko> I'm doomed to email coraspondance the rest of my life?
[08:39] <juliux> somerville32, did we need for the future a new gobby server ??
[08:39] <bethko> And when are they going to fix the spell check in Gaim
[08:40] <atoponce> bethko: where are you located? there are a number of online resources that you can use outside of email
[08:40] <bethko> I have an idea
[08:40] <bethko> California
[08:41] <atoponce> you're aware of the california loco team, no?
[08:41] <bethko> And it's cold here to let you know it's not all sunny like they make it out to be. and the flu is going arround
[08:41] <atoponce> #ubuntu-california
[08:41] <bethko> I joined but they dont seem to do much
[08:42] <atoponce> plus, #ubuntuforums (the the forums themselves)
[08:42] <atoponce> they're fairly active
[08:43] <bethko> You know how all the meeting are sceduled and use that strange time thing that everyone can read but me?
[08:44] <atoponce> utc?
[08:44] <bethko> Maybe there are other time/math chalged people out there
[08:44] <atoponce> california is utc-8 hours, iirc
[08:45] <bethko> if we could have a kind of reminder through email or something when the meeting are going to be.
[08:45] <juliux> date -u ;)
[08:46] <bethko> I know we have the weekly news letter and thats really great
[08:46] <atoponce> are you talking about the next community council meeting?
[08:48] <bethko> but if we could have another service aka list that sends out reminders of every meeting the day before the meeting with the related time zones and what time that is.
[08:49] <bethko> so i would open an email and it would tell me which room and dirrections on how to get to that room and what time I need to be in that room.
[08:50] <atoponce> that's just unecessary bandwidth.  do you know how many emails that would be, and how often they would need to be sent out?
[08:51] <atoponce> setting all meetings to UTC allows you, regardless of where you are in the world, to plan for it. you just need to plan for it yourself, if you want to be involved
[08:51] <bethko> I can't read UTC
[08:52] <bethko> Tell me in pacific time and I will be there
[08:52] <atoponce> pacific time is UTC -8 hours.
[08:52] <bethko> And some people aren't that organized and need the email reminders
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> beat me to it
[08:52] <bethko> What TIME is that?
[08:53] <atoponce> Sat Jan  6 19:52:17 UTC 2007
[08:53] <bethko> Use 00:00 AM/PM
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> 19 UTC = 11am
[08:53] <atoponce> that's the current UTC time.
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> 19-8 = 11 Pacific
[08:55] <bethko> Good! Now do that for all the meeting times and we'll be set
[08:56] <atoponce> now you know how to read UTC.
[08:57] <bethko> Maybe there's a calcular out there...
[08:57] <atoponce> there are. tons in fact.
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> worldtimeserver.com iirc
[08:57] <bethko> I understand it yes. Doing is more difficult
[08:57] <atoponce> again, though, `date -u`.  it's all you need
[08:58] <atoponce> it should be easy to see with that how long you have until the next meeting
[08:58] <bethko> date -u
[08:58] <bethko> ?
[08:58] <atoponce> pull up a terminal, and type it
[08:59] <bethko> I got the time
[08:59] <atoponce> yup. in utc
[09:00] <atoponce> so when is the next meeting?
[09:00] <atoponce> for me, it's: 09 January 2007, 21:00 UTC
[09:00] <bethko> there are no meeting today
[09:01] <atoponce> Sat Jan  6 20:00:04 UTC 2007
[09:01] <atoponce> so, i have 3 days and 1 hour to go, until i need to be at that meeting
[09:01] <atoponce> easy as pie
[09:02] <atoponce> which, for me, puts me on a tues at 2pm
[09:02] <atoponce> local time
[09:02] <bethko> Yeah if you can add and subtract
[09:02] <atoponce> you can't?
[09:03] <bethko> not really
[09:03] <atoponce> hmm. ok. well, then, use an online converter
[09:03] <bethko> And using a calulator is not too good either
[09:03] <atoponce> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=9&year=2007&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[09:04] <bethko> ok
[09:07] <bethko> Tue 7:00 AM
[09:07] <bethko> ?
[09:09] <bethko> Tue 1:00 PM
[09:09] <bethko> For the comunity consil meeting
[09:09] <bethko> The other one was for the loco meeting
[09:10] <bethko> Thats pacific time
[09:10] <bethko> Or so the calculuaer says


 You?
[01:24] <Toadstool> trying to get back to normal
[01:24] <Toadstool> not much success so far
[01:24] <AndyP> bddebian: not too shabby
[01:25] <bddebian> Toadstool: Heh, I hear that
[01:28] <bddebian> So now we have to check every package to see if it's maintained in bzr before making any changes??
[01:30] <Toadstool> er screw that, I hate the new all-in-bzr frenzy :/
[01:31] <bddebian> Amen brother
[01:32] <jmg> eww
[01:33] <jmg> is this as a result of no-source-packages?
[01:33] <jmg> doesnt that raise the barrier of entry for importing into debian?
[01:33] <jmg> is there no compatability layer?
[01:33] <jmg> will apt-get source still work?
[01:33] <jmg> will somebody please think of the children????
[01:34] <jmg> what kind of smartie pants came up with this anyway?
[01:43] <ajmitch> geser: that's an evil version number
[01:44] <ajmitch>  haskell-http (30000000-1build1) gutsy; urgency=low
[01:44] <jmg> ewwwwwww
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Ew.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> !info haskell-http sid
[01:44] <ubotu> Package haskell-http does not exist in sid
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Bah, stupid lack of sources.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> !info haskell-http-doc sid
[01:45] <ubotu> haskell-http-doc: Haskell HTTP client library documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 30000000-1 (sid), package size 24 kB, installed size 276 kB
[01:46] <StevenK> What, the Maintainer is *trying* to annoy people?
[01:47] <jmg> o_O
[01:47] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Probably.
[01:47] <jmg> http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/HTTP
[01:47] <jmg> unfortunately that version appears to be valid albeit with some superfluous zeroes
[01:48] <Fujitsu> The versions have all been dates before.
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Did we hit the year 3000 without me noticing?
[02:05] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: yes
[02:08] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:33] <RAOF> Where are debian packages after they're accepted but before they're published?
[02:34] <bashelier> RAOF: in the ftp master queue
[02:34] <StevenK> RAOF: http://inncoming.debian.org/
[02:34] <StevenK> incoming, sigh
[02:34] <RAOF> Heh.  Thanks.
[02:34] <RAOF> Man, people *really want* the new deluge version :/
[02:35] <StevenK> Enough to pull it from incoming?
[02:36] <bddebian> Isn't there a bzr branch yet?
[02:36] <RAOF> Rather than reject the incorrect sync bug, I'll just fix it up and attach a debdiff.
[02:39] <RAOF> Ah, Ok.  I won't unsubscribe u-u-s, then :)
[02:41] <AndyP> bddebian: so what's this about checking if bzr branches exist? i have a feeling i missed something
[02:49] <bddebian> I was chastised for the gnash stuff because it is in bzr apparently
[02:51] <AndyP> bddebian: oh ok, i thought we were meant to be using XS-Vcs-Bzr or something for that
[02:52] <bddebian> We are apparently but that is what I am saying
[02:52] <AndyP> gotcha :)
[02:52] <bddebian> So now I have to check every package that I apply a patch to to see if it has that bullshit?
[02:54] <AndyP> i guess so :/
[02:55] <bddebian> Am I now also responsible for getting that patch in the bzr branch?
[02:57] <RAOF> bddebian: It'd be nice, I believe.
[02:57] <RAOF> i
[02:57] <RAOF> If you're on gutsy, apt-get source will warn you if the source package is maintained in an RCS.
[02:59] <bddebian> Good, I'll know to ignore those then
[03:00] <ScottK> RAOF: I believe that change was reverted.
[03:00] <ScottK> Now it's just supposed to give you a notice.
[03:00] <bddebian> Oh, ScottK
[03:00] <bddebian> I had a question for you now I can't remember which package.  libmetakit maybe?
[03:01] <ScottK> Some old curmudgeon who doesn't understand how inherently wonderful this vcs stuff is whined aboutit.
[03:01] <ScottK> bddebian: Probably either not that package or it's StevenK you're thinking of.
[03:01] <jmg> ScottK: you're a curmudgeon
[03:01] <ScottK> And bitter too.
[03:02] <bddebian> ScottK: It was a merge you did and there's a new version.. Grr
[03:02] <ScottK> Hmmm
[03:02] <bddebian> Oh screenkast?
[03:02] <jmg> shouldnt apt-get source pull the latest version?
[03:02] <bddebian> It "should"
[03:02] <ScottK> jmg: From the repository, yes.
[03:02] <jmg> ok
[03:03] <ScottK> Not from some semi random other place on the internet.
[03:04] <mruiz> hi all. I have a package ready for review (is an upgrade). Which packages must I upload to my server? (while REVU is offline)
[03:04] <jmg> that would be the source package
[03:04] <mruiz> %s/packages/files/g
[03:04] <ScottK> mruiz: tarball, diff.gz, and .dsc are sufficient.
[03:04] <jmg> is LP getting some revu-a-lie function?
[03:04] <Nafallo> *s* vim :-)
[03:04] <jmg> like*
[03:05] <mruiz> thanks ScottK
[03:05] <jmg> ah, PPA?
[03:05] <Nafallo> mruiz: also upload orig.tar.gz to make things easier.
[03:05] <bddebian> Oh it was screenkast but that's StevenK too
[03:05] <StevenK> Hum?
[03:05] <ScottK> That lets you build stuff, but doesn't have the commenting stuff the REVU has.
[03:05] <jmg> i built elisa 0.3 last night
[03:05] <jmg> and pigment
[03:05] <Nafallo> oooh
[03:05] <ScottK> bddebian: I don't think screenKast is me.
[03:05] <Nafallo> kinky
[03:06] <bddebian> StevenK: You still aboot?
[03:06] <bddebian> heh
[03:06] <StevenK> bddebian: aboot got removed. :-P
[03:06] <jmg> :(
[03:06] <bddebian> hehe
[03:07] <StevenK> bddebian: What's up?
[03:07] <bddebian> StevenK: No, screenkast needs another merge.  Do you know if your changes need to stay?
[03:07] <StevenK> bddebian: I'd need to check. Do you mind holding off for about 30 minutes while I sort out what I'm in the middle of?
[03:08] <bddebian> Of course not, thanks
[03:10] <RAOF> Hm.  Why has sbuild stopped sending me buildlogs by mail?
[03:11] <RAOF> It was working fine until yesterday, now it's stopped.
[03:12] <ScottK> So if a package (source and binary) has been removed from Gutsy, but it still shows a queued build for lpia (status Needs Building) is that something I should mention to an archive admin?
[03:12] <johanbr__> RAOF: Maybe mail doesn't get delivered on weekends where you live? :)
[03:13] <RAOF> johanbr__: Or maybe gmail has suddenly decided to classify those buildlogs as spam :(
[03:13] <StevenK> ScottK: No, lpia is getting slowly sorted out by infinity.
[03:13] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[03:13] <StevenK> ScottK: You could mention it to him, but I doubt he'd do anything.
[03:14] <ScottK> When I kill stuff off, I just want to make sure I've got it completely dead.
[03:14] <ScottK> I guess even if it got built, it'd just get nds'ed eventually anyway.
[03:14] <ScottK> nds/nbs
[03:16] <ajmitch> good afternoon
[03:16] <bddebian> Hmm, I wonder if freemind would build with gcj
[03:16] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:37] <bddebian> Hmm, well freemind builds with gcj but I don't know if it works
[04:47] <ScottK> bddebian: Building is progress.
[04:47] <bddebian> ScottK: Nice delayed response.. :-)
[04:47] <bddebian> Oh and StevenK obviously forgot about me ;-P
[04:48] <ScottK> Well it's easier to type responses when I'm actually sitting here.
[04:48] <bddebian> :-)
[04:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: you should be fixing stuff, not worrying about people forgetting you
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm trying
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna REVU something for me to fix a bug? :-)
[04:49] <ajmitch> no
[04:50] <bddebian> pfft, work, schmurk
[04:50] <ScottK> It's probably php.  It's not like anyone actually expects php code to do anything useful...
[04:53] <bddebian> hehe
[04:59] <bddebian> Damn, to upload or not to upload...
[04:59] <bddebian> ScottK: You have time to look at a package quick?
[05:00] <ScottK> An entire package, no, but if there's something specific....
[05:00] <bddebian> New upstream of xmlrpc-c
[05:01] <ScottK> Sound scary.  Two entire scary three letter acryonyms in 6 letters of packagename.
[05:02] <bddebian> Gah
[05:03] <ScottK> New upstream you can upload yourself anyway.  It doesn't need an ack.
[05:03] <bddebian> It's not my packaging.  It's too clean to be mine. ;-P
[05:03] <ScottK> OK.  Then advocate it and upload it.
[05:04] <bddebian> OK, when I get bitched at I'm telling them you told me too ;-P
[05:05] <ScottK> Hey, I just work here.
[05:11] <StevenK> bddebian: Didn't forget, had to leave where I was, sorry.
[05:12] <bddebian> StevenK: NP, I'm just giving you a hard time.  I have a bad tendency to do that
[05:13] <mruiz> bye all
[09:20] <DarkSun88> Good Morning
[09:21] <ajmitch> hi
[09:21] <DarkSun88> Hi Andrew
[09:48] <pschulz01> Greetings.. I'm trying to install the package 'scsh'.. it installs on i386, but not in 64bit.. apt-cache search scsh on my 64bit laptop shows scsh-06 package is missing which scsh depends on.
[09:56] <pschulz01> Hmm.. getting segfault when I try to build scsh
[10:02] <rulus> Is this the right channel to ask about how to make deb packages?
[10:02] <pschulz01> rulus: You can ask :-)
[10:03] <rulus> ah, well, I have a bzr branch with a Python application. Is there a guide somewhere to tell me how to make a .deb package out of it?
[10:04] <pschulz01> rulus: Um.. I'm struggling with something similar. I have managed to make some progress, but I don;t know if it's the correct way to do stuff.. hopefully someone else here will know more.. otherwise I can give you some hints.
[10:06] <pschulz01> Install the 'debhelper' package.
[10:06] <pschulz01> rulus: Have a look at the 'dh_make' script..
[10:07] <rulus> ok
[10:38] <norsetto> morning all
[11:12] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[11:12] <marcin_ant> I got a question - how is it possible that product that is not free for commercial usage is available as package in universe?
[11:13] <marcin_ant> and there is no word in package description that it's downloading for commercial usage is restricted? The package is: dansguardian
[11:18] <geser> good question
[11:23] <norsetto> the license in the tarball is GPL, so, where is it specified that this is not free for commercial usage?
[11:23] <geser> on the homepage
[11:24] <norsetto> and why should we care about the homepage?
[11:24] <geser> http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2
[11:24] <norsetto> Imean, if they package the tarball with GPL (also in the README)
[11:25] <geser> I couldn't find this restriction in the tarball on Ubuntu archive and neither in the last beta tarball
[11:25] <norsetto> exactly ....
[11:27] <geser> see also the last question on this page
[11:27] <geser> so it's ok to be in universe
[11:27] <norsetto> I checked some headers, they are all GPL
[11:52] <\sh> he has to dua-license it, like qt
[11:52] <\sh> s/dua/dual/
[11:54] <ogra> \sh, why, he has given it a licence when he rolled the tarball ... no matter what else he writes on any webpages
[11:55] <ogra> if he wants to restict usage he can relicense the source ... but until that happens its GPL software
[11:55] <\sh> ogra: yepp...that's what I mean
[11:55] <ogra> :)
[11:57] <marcin_ant> pretty confusing...
[11:57] <marcin_ant> especially if you need to be sure if it's safe to use in company
[12:37] <Riddell> is https://launchpad.net/~motu-uvf/+members up to date?
[12:38] <Riddell> no, doesn't seem so
[12:42] <geser> dholbach is on holiday
[12:44] <Riddell> geser: any idea when to?  it isn't mentioned in canonical's internal calendar
[12:44] <geser> his blog mentions he'll be back on Aug 20th
[12:46] <Riddell> hmm, so the team won't be updated in time
[01:01] <\sh> Riddell: no second general at hand? ;)
[01:03] <Riddell> not for that team
[01:05] <\sh> well, SPoF then ... can happen needs to be fixed
[01:19] <Riddell> groovy, I 0wned the team
[01:28] <\sh> lol
[01:57] <\sh> just installed tribe4 from gutsy...nice to see aixgl is enabled by default :)
[02:08] <pygi> asac, ok, it doesn't
[02:09] <pygi> (that was supposed to be in -devel :P)
[02:11] <Kmos>  2.1.8-release-1
[02:12] <Kmos> if I want to modify this one, what's the name for ubuntu ?
[02:12] <Kmos> 2.1.8-release-1ubuntu1 ?
[02:17] <asac> Kmos: yes
[02:17] <Kmos> asac: thanks
[02:20] <geser> RAOF: about your deluge-torrent merge: what's the reason to build it only for python2.5 and not python2.4 and python2.5?
[02:25] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[02:26] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[02:27] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:29] <pygi> o no, it's Hobbsee :)
[02:30] <ScottK> Good morning all.
[02:30] <ScottK> norsetto: I'm here if you want to discuss.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> it is.  hear me roar!
[02:41] <norsetto> ScottK: Hi
[02:41] <ScottK> Hey
[02:41] <ScottK> To answer your question, I don't remember about lintian warnings.
[02:42] <ScottK> The upload I did I was fixing a bug and so just focused on making it work.
[02:42] <norsetto> ScottK: ok, so what can we do beside alerting the debian devel? Should we fix those ourselves? Can the package be uploaded?
[02:43] <ScottK> Would you pastebin me the warnings?
[02:43] <norsetto> ScottK: sure; I worked some of them out mysef, just for fun
[02:44] <ScottK> Well if you worked some out, I'd go ahead and include that resolution in the upload.
[02:45] <norsetto> ScottK: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3f0b7166
[02:47] <ScottK> norsetto: Are those the ones you have not fixed yet?
[02:47] <norsetto> ScottK: no, these are all the original ones
[02:48] <norsetto> ScottK: I worked out the easy ones ;-)
[02:48] <ScottK> OK.  Which of those did you come up with resolutions for?
[02:48] <ScottK> You and I may have different definitions of easy.
[02:49] <norsetto> ScottK: Yes, easy for me of course ...missing-debconf-dependency-for-preinst
[02:49] <norsetto> ScottK:  The font /usr/share/poker-network/poker2d/fonts/FreeSerif.ttf in package ttf-freefont is considered to be a duplicate
[02:50] <norsetto> File /usr/lib/pkgconfig/poker-network.pc contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package
[02:51] <norsetto> ScottK: postinst/postrm-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig seems to be debhelper related
[02:51] <ScottK> I'd expect it is.
[02:52] <ScottK> Since the call is described as useless, I expect it's not particulalry harmful.
[02:52] <norsetto> ScottK: postinst-uses-db-input is perhaps a  candidate for override; I actually don't understand the logic behind it (its a server reset)
[02:52] <ScottK> Right.
[02:53] <norsetto> ScottK: And then the .la files I don't really know what to do
[02:53] <ScottK> That and the preinst debconf call are ones I wouldn't touch without a dialogue with the Debian maintainer.
[02:53] <norsetto> ScottK: agree
[02:54] <ScottK> I don't either.  I wonder if they even actually get used (if they lack path information, I'd expect it's either hard wired in somewhere else or they aren't used).
[02:54] <pschulz01> What happens if a package doesn't build for a particular archtecture?
[02:55] <ScottK> I'd say go with what you've fixed and mail the Debian maintainer about the others.
[02:55] <ScottK> norsetto: There's also a request for a Feisty SRU for that package.  Interested?
[02:55] <norsetto> ScottK: already emailed him; still waiting for feedback
[02:55] <ScottK> norsetto: Great.
[02:55] <ScottK> pschulz01: Not sure what you mean?
[02:56] <pschulz01> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scsh-0.6/+bug/62293
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6  but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete]
[02:56] <pschulz01> ScottK: The 64bit package doesn;t build
[02:56] <ScottK> OK.  Then what happens is you have no binary for that arch.
[02:56] <xxxxx1> mornin' people
[02:56] <xxxxx1> :)
[02:56] <ScottK> Morning xxxxx1.
[02:57] <xxxxx1> ScottK!
[02:57] <ScottK> pschulz01: Whoever uploaded the package should try to fix it.
[02:57] <pschulz01> ScottK: The bug has been labeled against the 'Ubuntu Mirror Admin' but I don't think that's right.
[02:57] <ScottK> pschulz01: What bug?
[02:57] <pschulz01> ScottK: I was able to build it on all the arch I have (i386,powerp) except for x36_64.
[02:58] <pschulz01> ScottK: Bug 62293
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6  but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62293
[02:59] <white> !info emacs gutsy
[02:59] <ubotu> emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 22.1-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB
[02:59] <white> !info emacs21 gutsy
[02:59] <ubotu> emacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1977 kB, installed size 5928 kB
[02:59] <white> the security patch is probably included, but someone might want to check
[03:00] <pschulz01> ScottK: I don;t think it's a Mirror admin issue... I see the exact same problem though.
[03:00] <ScottK> pschulz01: I agree.
[03:00] <ScottK> The IA64 binary if FTBFS for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy.
[03:00] <white> reference debian bug #408929
[03:00] <ubotu> Debian bug 408929 in emacs21 "emacs21: crash on spam" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/408929
[03:01] <pschulz01> ScottK: FTBFS?
[03:01] <ScottK> pschulz01: I'd suggest rewrite the bug.
[03:01] <ScottK> Fail To Build From Source
[03:01] <pschulz01> ScottK: :-)
[03:01] <pschulz01> ScottK: :-(
[03:01] <ScottK> pschulz01: Then look in Debian and upstream to see if they have any 64 bit fixes.
[03:02] <white> !info eggdrop gutsy
[03:02] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 462 kB, installed size 1136 kB
[03:02] <white> someone might want to check, if the security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version (which is in incoming.debian.org) is included
[03:03] <ScottK> norsetto: You've been looking for stuff to do, so white's suggestion is a good one.  Will you take it?
[03:03] <ScottK> norsetto: Do you want the Feisty SRU for poker-network?
[03:04] <white> !info freeradius gutsy
[03:04] <ubotu> freeradius: a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.6-2 (gutsy), package size 736 kB, installed size 2764 kB
[03:04] <pschulz01> ScottK: Bug in Debian... Not portable to 64bit platforms .. 5 years and 353 days old.
[03:05] <norsetto> ScottK: well, since I 'm doing the gutsy one, I can as well do the SRU for feisty
[03:05] <ScottK> What does upstream say?
[03:05] <white> !info xfce4-terminal gutsy
[03:05] <ubotu> xfce4-terminal: Xfce terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.6-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 991 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[03:05] <white> someone might want to check xfce4-terminal as well. I am not sure, if the fix is in the 0.2.6-3 version, i did not work on it
[03:06] <white> I think that's it for today, not much though
[03:06] <norsetto> white: do you remember the ITA for turkey?
[03:06] <white> norsetto: -v please
[03:06] <ScottK> norsetto: SRU for Bug #95836 assigned to you then.  Remember that for SRU we want the minimally invasive fix.  I just assigned one bug for the SRU, but look at all 3 that I closed.
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95836 in poker-network "[apport]  twistd crashed with OperationalError in __init__()" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95836
[03:07] <siretart> Riddell: oh, you kicked me out of UVF?
[03:07] <norsetto> white: a week ago you asked if I could issue an ITA for turkey (orphanesd in Debian since a while); I did fix it for gutsy
[03:08] <white> norsetto: so you want it?
[03:08] <norsetto> white: well, I sent it out to l.d.o. and the java group 'cause I need a sponsor
[03:08] <norsetto> white: nobody answered, so I can't do nothing, sorry
[03:08] <white> norsetto: hmm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does not show me that there is a ITA for that package
[03:09] <white> norsetto: you need to write a ITA bug against wnpp
[03:09] <RainCT> hi
[03:09] <norsetto> white: no, I checked for a sponsor before
[03:09] <white> norsetto: there are 3 rc bugs against the package in debian
[03:09] <white> norsetto: did you fix them all?
[03:09] <Riddell> siretart: you don't seem to be in the team for this release
[03:10] <norsetto> white: at least 2; but one the fixes might not be welcome in debian
[03:10] <siretart> Riddell: I'm not? - well, okay.
[03:10] <white> norsetto: why is that?
[03:11] <norsetto> white: 'cause it requires to use the sun jvm, so the package ends up in non-free
[03:11] <Riddell> siretart: new team here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-July/023974.html
[03:11] <white> norsetto: well i am not totally familiar with java, so i would not sponsor the package atm. But if you end up writing an ITA and mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the new packages, then I am sure that you will find a sponsor
[03:12] <white> norsetto: if you did not end up finding one afterwards, then ping me and i will find one for you
[03:12] <siretart> Riddell: ah, must have missed that mail. thanks for the link
[03:12] <norsetto> white: roger
[03:12] <white> norsetto: thanks
[03:29] <ScottK> norsetto: You should ping man-di (who is usually here) as he does lots of Java stuff in Debian.
[03:30] <norsetto> ScottK: thanks, I will
[03:36] <Kmos> StevenK: bug 131795
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131795 in dapper-backports "Please backport clamav 0.91.1 from Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131795
[03:36] <Kmos> updates are not working..
[03:37] <ScottK> Kmos: Can't do it yet.
[03:38] <ScottK> Clamav 0.9x changed it's interfaces with other applications and so we have to backport them all at the same time.
[03:38] <ScottK> Working on it.
[03:38] <Kmos> ScottK: ok.. thanks =)
[03:51] <\sh> wow...i just read that for the first time
[03:51] <\sh> "
[03:51] <\sh> Community Hosted Servers Compromised
[03:51] <\sh> This last week, 5 of the 8 servers that are loco hosted but Canonical sponsored, had to be shut down due to reports that they were actively attacking other machines.
[03:51] <\sh> "
[03:51] <\sh> how did that happen?
[03:55] <Nafallo> \sh: well. TBH I think there was lack of administration etc...
[03:55] <Nafallo> and not up-to-date for security fixes.
[03:55] <ScottK> \sh: Where did you read that?
[03:56] <\sh> Scott: latest uwn
[03:56] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue52
[03:56] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:57] <Fujitsu> ROFL
[03:57] <\sh> Nafallo: lack of administration == are those admins "sysadmins from canonical" or "those community admins from the locos"?
[03:57] <Fujitsu> Down 74.36% since the market opened a short time ago.
[03:58] <AndyP> Fujitsu: hehe, i thought it would drop a bit but not that much :)
[03:58] <Nafallo> \sh: when I was admin for vistula it was a service provided by the locos. I would think that is still true.
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Down to $0.40
[03:58] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: nice :-)
[03:59] <Nafallo> they screwed up, and now they're paying for it...
[03:59] <\sh> Nafallo: so the loco admins were responsible for the servers
[03:59] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I wonder why that is. :-P
[03:59] <Nafallo> \sh: at least some year ago.
[04:01] <\sh> I wonder what the users tell them, when the server is compromized...regarding the user data
[04:01] <Fujitsu> The LoCo servers are primarily community maintained at the moment (I'm an admin on mekong).
[04:02] <Nafallo> I think vistula is still up
[04:02] <Nafallo> I get ICMP ECHO replies anyway.
[04:03] <Ng> \sh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html has more detail, fwiw
[04:09] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:09] <Nafallo> I think point c is damn valid in this.
[04:09] <Nafallo> that's why I let someone else take over the duty of vistula.
[04:09] <Nafallo> that and work.
[04:11] <Fujitsu> Mekong is all Dapper but the kernel, but that's not very useful.
[04:11] <\sh> hmm...how can someone change the number of virtual desktops these days?
[04:11] <\sh> (gnome)
[04:11] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I think vistula is the same.
[04:11] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: at least I left it in that stage :-)
[04:12] <Nafallo> state even
[04:12] <Kmos> \sh: preferences ? with right button on little windows
[04:12] <Nafallo> \sh: right click the applet?
[04:13] <Kmos> can someone look at bug 132179 , it has a debdiff that needs to be uploaded, before remove this package.
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132179 in workbone "[Remove]  Please remove workbone from Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132179
[04:13] <Fujitsu> \sh: Using Compiz Fusion, you mean?
[04:14] <Fujitsu> Kmos: Erm... why the heck would you upload a fix immediately before removal?
[04:14] <Fujitsu> That's clinically insane.
[04:15] <Kmos> Fujitsu: that package will provide and replace workbone in the future
[04:15] <Kmos> Fujitsu: upgrade stuff..
[04:16] <geser> \sh: start ccsm again -> General Options -> "Desktop Size" Tab
[04:17] <geser> \sh: for a cube I have there: Horizontal Size = 4 ; Vertical Size = 1 ; Num of Desktops = 1
[04:17] <\sh> ah...so it's configured with ccsm
[04:20] <geser> \sh: compiz uses gtk-window-decorator which looks like metacity
[04:21] <\sh> geser: hmm...I setup 8 desktops
[04:21] <\sh> ah...now I get it
[04:21] <\sh> it's totally different then from the normal virtual desktop setup
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:47] <\sh> moins barry
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how have you been?
[04:48] <\sh> bddebian, well, at least i'm free of doing merges ,-)
[04:48] <bddebian> hehe
[04:49] <pygi> \sh, then you have a free pbuilder? :)
[04:49] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya geser
[05:01] <bddebian> StevenK: Thanks for hitting screenkast!
[05:02] <norsetto> ScottK: I checked eggdrop and the latest security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version is NOT included
[05:03] <ScottK> norsetto: Get to work then.
[05:04] <norsetto> ScottK: don't we wait for a merge? OK, will fix it
[05:04] <ScottK> norsetto: If you have -1.1, go ahead and do the merge.
[05:43] <norsetto> ScottK: bug 132222 subscribed to u-u-s
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132222 in eggdrop "Please merge eggdrop (1.6.18-1.1) from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132222
[05:54] <bddebian> Uhm, what is wildcard in this code?
[05:54] <bddebian> ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""
[05:54] <bddebian>   cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[05:54] <bddebian> endif
[05:55] <geser> I guess a make function
[05:56] <geser> bddebian: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Wildcard-Function
[05:57] <bddebian> dumb :)
[05:58] <bddebian> Thx geser
[05:58] <AndyP> i saw that snippet in fceu's rules file the other day
[05:59] <bddebian> fugly :-)
[05:59] <AndyP> yeah, they should be using cdbs ;)
[05:59] <bddebian> heh
[06:12] <ScottK> norsetto: You've got the attention of the right guy on eggdrop.
[06:12] <norsetto> ScottK: :-)
[06:20] <luisbg> how do I uncompress a .deb?
[06:21] <bddebian> dpkg-deb -x or something like that
[06:21] <pygi> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[06:21] <pygi> ups, that's for a source
[06:22] <luisbg> pygi, LOL no problem
[06:22] <luisbg> want to give it a second try?
[06:22] <bddebian> dpkg-deb -x <deb> <dir>
[06:22] <pygi> yup, bddebian is right
[06:23] <pygi> bddebian, shhh :)
[06:23] <bddebian> :-)
[06:23] <luisbg> heh
[06:24] <luisbg> the output directory has a etc and usr folder?
[06:24] <luisbg> I was expecting something else
[06:24] <luisbg> LOL
[06:24] <bddebian> Are you looking for the source?
[06:25] <simu> like "right-click the file an choose Open with Archive Manager"
[06:26] <luisbg> yes
[06:26] <bddebian> pfft gui is for sissy's ;-P
[06:27] <geser> luisbg: what did you expect?
[06:30] <luisbg> geser, I wanted the source
[06:30] <luisbg> and I just have the .deb file
[06:33] <geser> that won't work as the deb doesn't contain the source code
[06:36] <luisbg> I redid most of what I had done
[06:36] <luisbg> thanks geser =)
[06:39] <pygi> apt-get source blablabla
[06:39] <pygi> :)
[06:39] <pygi> ah, /me didn't read again xD
[06:48] <Ng> siretart: ping
[06:50] <siretart> Ng: sorry, I'm about to leave ;)
[06:51] <Ng> siretart: ok, never mind
[06:52] <Ng> siretart: is there anyone else I can pester about revu?
[06:52] <siretart> Ng: maybe sistpoty, ajmitch, raphink, choose one :)
[06:52] <ScottK> Ng: It's down for sometime.
[06:52] <ScottK> Pestering won't help.
[06:53] <Ng> ScottK: I don't want to use it, I want to talk to someone about how it works. I'm a Canonical Sysadmin working on the machines that the down loco services will be using :)
[06:54] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:54] <ScottK> Sorry.
[06:54] <Ng> np :)
[06:54] <siretart> Ng: can we chat tomorrow about it?
[06:54] <Ng> siretart: certainly, thanks
[06:54] <siretart> Ng: basically, it is a 'mod-python' application
[06:54] <ScottK> He's probably sleeping now, but IIRC StevenK would be another one.
[06:54] <siretart> Ng: and it needs postgres
[06:54] <Ng> siretart: ok, that's cool
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ScottK: he's also sleeping too
[06:54] <geser> Ng: so it depends on you when revu will be up again?
[06:54] <siretart> Ng: it is deployed via bzr
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's 3am here, remember?
[06:55] <Ng> geser: not just me, but yes
[06:55] <siretart> Ng: feel free to write me an email with further questions, I'll answer them tonight or tomorrow morning, okay?
[06:55] <Ng> siretart: that's great, thanks very much
[06:56] <geser> Hobbsee: if you're still awake, then it can't be late/early :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> geser: oh yes it can be.
[07:07] <norsetto> keescook: ok, debdiff u-u is uploaded :-)
[07:07] <keescook> norsetto: cool, thanks!
[07:08] <norsetto> keescook: nog een vraag .... sprekt u nederlands?
[07:08] <keescook> norsetto: I only know how to swear.  ;)
[07:09] <norsetto> :-D
[07:12] <geser> keescook: that's enough ;)
[07:12] <keescook> geser: hehe
[07:32] <norsetto> ScottK: little problem about the SRU; the feisty libray is too old, we need to backport it too
[07:32] <ScottK> Ahhh
[07:32] <ScottK> What do you mean?
[07:33] <norsetto> ScottK: it requires >1.0.22 and we only have 1.0.20 in feisty
[07:33] <ScottK> Ah.  Well then we need to figure out if there's a subset we can use for the SRU then.
[07:33] <norsetto> ScottK: its not just a question of dependancy; its hardcoded in the config
[07:34] <ScottK> Hmmm
[07:35] <norsetto> ScoTTK: sorry, forgot to mention which library; its python-poker-engine
[07:36] <ScottK> Ah.
[07:36] <ScottK> Well then is it something broken in python-poker-engine that we need to SRU for too?
[07:36] <norsetto> me always forget the little details
[07:36] <ScottK> Dunno.
[07:37] <norsetto> ScottK: In debian they have 1.0.19 or 1.025; in gutsy its 1.0.25; guess that would fix some bugs too.....
[07:39] <norsetto> ScottK: its the only one by the way, all the rest seems to be fine
[07:40] <ScottK> Well we really can't SRU a new library, so we need to figure a finer grained solution.
[07:43] <norsetto> ScottK: are u also looking at the changelog? Its depressing ....
[07:58] <cbx33> BOOOOO-YA
[07:58] <cbx33> ping imbrandon
[08:00] <_MMA_> cbx33: good luck with that. Ive been poking for about 5 days now. :(
[08:00] <cbx33> heheh
[08:00] <cbx33> try about 4 weeks
[08:01] <_MMA_> :(
[08:02] <afflux> correct me if I'm wrong but packages in debian depending on inet-superserver need to work with inetutils-inetd, openbsd-inetd and rlinetd. In ubuntu inet-superserver is also provided by xinetd. What to do with packages that use update-inetd which works for the three inet-superserver packages in debian but not xinetd?
[08:02] <afflux> Change the dependency to netkit-inetd | rlinetd?
[08:10] <geser> afflux: have you read the discussion on the debian-devel ML?
[08:10] <DarkSun88> geser: Thanks for upload. :)
[08:11] <afflux> geser: I don't think so.
[08:11] <geser> DarkSun88: thank you for noticing that it's a merge now and providing the debdiff
[08:12] <zul> Fujitsu: ping
[08:12] <DarkSun88> geser: No problem. :)
[08:12] <geser> afflux: IIRC the result was that nothing should depend on update-inetd directly (only the inetservers using it) and package should depend on the inet-superserver virtual package
[08:13] <geser> afflux: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg01013.html ff.
[08:14] <afflux> geser: yes, the problem is, the package I have to merge doesn't depend on update-inetd, but it uses it in the postinst/postrm files. But it depends on inet-superserver (which is in ubuntu provided by xinetd, which doesn't support update-inetd)
[08:14] <afflux> ah, wait, i'll read it ;)
[08:15] <geser> afflux: does caling update-inetd something usefull when xinted is installed?
[08:16] <afflux> no, since xinetd doesn't contain an own implementation of update-inetd and the update-inetd package doesn't work for xinetd.
[08:17] <afflux> (different config files and different format)
[08:17] <geser> I'd suggest to call update-inetd only when it's available and install a config snippet for xinetd
[08:18] <geser> that seems to be the most sane solution now
[08:34] <cbx33> hey pygi
[08:35] <pygi> cbx33, omg, you are alive!
[08:36] <cbx33> hehe
[08:36] <cbx33> howz it going
[08:36] <cbx33> you should know I'm alive as i've been blogging alot
[08:36] <pygi> cbx33, not so well
[08:36] <pygi> cbx33, well, no time to read stuff :(
[08:36] <cbx33> oh what's up?
[08:36] <cbx33> pm?
[08:36] <pygi> sure
[08:37] <afflux> geser: I see another problem coming up here. If someone has xinetd and another inetd, that uses /etc/inetd.conf, installed, and the package installs an xinetd snippet and installs itself to inetd.conf, we would have a conflict there. Suggestions?
[08:39] <afflux> geser: one possibility would be to set the xinetd snippet to disabled and warn the user on installing the package that he could need to enable it.
[08:41] <geser> afflux: looking at the other inet-superserver packages: they conflict with inet-superserver so that only one inet-superserver should be installed
[08:41] <geser> but xinetd is missing that conflict
[08:43] <geser> should perhaps xinetd and openbsd-inetd add a conflict to inet-superserver? that way only one inet-superserver can be installed at a time
[08:44] <afflux> geser: sounds sane.
[09:11] <Skiessi> is there/shouldn't there be a list in the wiki about the stuff wanted to Universe?
[09:11] <DktrKranz> Skiessi, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO is not sufficient?
[09:20] <jrib> !packaging | Skiessi
[09:20] <ubotu> Skiessi: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[09:20] <jrib> Skiessi: the wiki page method was replaced, now people should file 'needs-packaging' bugs
[09:21] <jrib> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New links to the old page I think
[09:22] <Skiessi> what if the tar-file already contains the files in debian-folder?
[09:23] <Skiessi> do I have to edit them?
[10:07] <bddebian> So if a package is maintained in Debian in svn is it still OK for us to add fixes?
[10:09] <ScottK> Absolutely.
[10:09] <ScottK> Debian SVN has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[10:09] <bddebian> Well I don't want to get bitched at again.  I'm thinking I just avoid it :)
[10:09] <ScottK> bddebian: If the svn happens to be the Debian Python Modules Team one, let me know and I'll put the fix in there too.
[10:09] <ScottK> Nah.  Go for it.
[10:11] <bddebian> Just adding a .desktop to openttd
[10:13] <ScottK> Shouldn't be a problem.
[10:20] <ajmitch> Ng: if you're still alive, I'm here now :)
[10:21] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:25] <vil> hi ScottK, I have just read your announcement of zekr
[10:26] <ScottK> Yes.
[10:26] <vil> I gave a few comments on that to Mohammad
[10:27] <ScottK> OK.
[10:27] <vil> pls, where can I see the latest version?
[10:27] <vil> revu is off currently
[10:27] <ScottK> Except for a couple of minor nits (nothing to do with Java), http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc is it.
[10:28] <ScottK> All of the REVU comments had, I think, been resolved befor REVU took a break.
[10:29] <vil> thanks
[10:30] <vil> ScottK, well how can I DL rest of it?
[10:30] <vil> besides .dsc
[10:30] <ScottK> dget -x http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:31] <vil> excellent, thanks again
[10:35] <vil> ScottK, all my comments fixed :)
[10:35] <vil> nice job
[10:36] <ScottK> vil: Great.
[10:36] <ScottK> Glad to hear it.
[10:40] <vil> ScottK, the last point I was suggesting is that it sets the menu language inside the app instead of using locales settings
[10:40] <vil> but that is upstream issue
[10:40] <ScottK> Yes.  Persia had the same comment.
[10:40] <ScottK> IIRC
[10:41] <ScottK> We got it to packaged correctly and minimaly works.
[10:41] <ScottK> minimaly/minimally
[10:41] <ScottK> Which is as far as our gatekeeper role extends IMO.
[10:41] <vil> yeah
[10:42] <vil> interresting that you covered all my ideas :) nothing left
[10:42] <ScottK> man-di_ reviewed it for Java stuff, so much credit goes to him.
[10:43] <ScottK> All I know about Java is when someone says Java, I run.
[10:45] <vil> looking forward man-di_ being the MOTU
[10:45] <ajmitch> sigh, 30 mounts since last fsck
[10:46] <ajmitch> nvidia drivers killed my desktop this morning as well
[10:49] <calc> yipee i'll be a core dev tomorrow :)
[10:50] <calc> wrt OOo issue we think we have found the offending call and I sent an email to the patches author to have him review it
[10:50] <calc> er patch's
[10:50] <ajmitch> yay!
[10:53] <calc> hopefully the patch's author can fix it quickly, so i can do another upload without breaking font support
[11:45] <Fujitsu> zul: Pong.
[11:47] <crimsun> bddebian: you can't unsub u-a unless you're a member or have LP supapowah.
[11:47] <bddebian> Fruck..    He's using pycentral so I'm not sure why that's even in there
[11:53] <jmg> bddebian: chec out the tmp directory and see what's there?
[11:56] <norsetto> ScottK: got bad news mate
[12:05] <RainCT> good night


[03:14] <bazhang> ibm either has serious vision issues or is being a nuisance intentionally. that's at least 6 times someone has told them the correct command
[07:08] <nancy-> i have been looking the matter about ikonia and mcloy. what ever happened was wrong with mcloy. shame on you guys
[07:12] <bazhang> lordie
[07:49] <bazhang> #kubuntu has multiple ucenick spammers
[08:02] <elky> well, since they "both" share a connection, we'll have to make sure "both" of them are behaving appropriately before either gets unbanned.
[08:06] <nancy-> Liam stlsaint ryan tm_travolt kloeri myriam melissa alan Corey Pici carl gryllida sad157 mrmist gary travis idleone jared bazhang jordan pricey myrtti Dave2 Daviey maco tom ukikie quassel jayne beuno h00k quassel lyz mneptok ubottu topyli yano nhandler tritium marienz chrisdruif ukikie ljl jtrucks logbot harald quassel lallinaho niko fuchs alan flannel jpds irc jrib tm_travolt       DO YOU FEEL SHAME? runing a 1500 user channel a
[08:06] <elky> nancy-, How about you start acting civilly.
[08:07] <nancy-> i have seen civil from you all
[08:08] <jpds> nancy-: Nothing wrong with being popular.
[08:08] <mrmist> nancy-: hi. Thanks for the ping, but I can't help you. Maybe ping more selectively in future.
[08:08] <elky> What amuses me is that you're pasting a user list from a channel you're not on, to get attention.
[08:09] <nancy-> mrmist:  i know.  thats why you are an op :)
[08:10] <nancy-> Allen is a council member too right?  he dont have time either.. why open the #ubuntu--irc-council then?
[08:10] <elky> Sleep is a legitimate reason to be away from one's computer.
[08:10] <nancy-> AlanBell: *
[08:10] <Myrtti> great job in annoying people by highlighting them. that is a certain method of getting help
[08:11] <elky> Myrtti, the wrong kind of help, sadly.
[08:11] <Myrtti> ikr
[08:11] <nancy-> at least one should be availabel weh other slhen others sleep for (2 day s in this case)
[08:12] <nancy-> Myrtti:  you are an op. its your duty to get annoyed
[08:12] <elky> nancy-, your math is atrocious. mcloy was last spoken to less than a day ago.
[08:12] <nancy-> so they are sleeping since a day
[08:12] <nancy-> ?
[08:12] <nancy-> all members?
[08:13] <nancy-> why not #ubuntu-ops also sleep?
[08:13] <elky> no, i'd imagine that they were responsive while mcloy was asleep.
[08:13] <elky> you currently have people here who are in awake timezones.
[08:13] <nancy-> lol. mcloy was online all the time.
[08:13] <elky> there's 58 of us, it's bound to happen
[08:14] <nancy-> elky are you all fantastic in bulshit?
[08:14] <Myrtti> nancy-: annoying people who could help you doesn't make it more  probable they will help you the way you want
[08:14] <elky> if mcloy has been online for 20+hrs, then we're doing him a favour by not letting him continue.
[08:14] <elky> He should go get some sleep.
[08:14] <nancy-> Myrtti: ^ ?
[08:14] <nancy-> thanks so much.
[08:14] <nancy-> for all favours.
[08:15] <nancy-> we all pray that something bad happends with ikon
[08:15] <nancy-> and you all
[08:15] <elky> Wishing harm on people isn't known for getting the results you want, either.
[08:16] <Myrtti> thanks for proving my point
[08:16] <nancy-> huh
[08:26] <jpds> Random.
[08:26] <ikonia> nah, nothing random about him
[08:27] <popey> did he spark up an ec2 instance just for _that_?
[08:27] <ikonia> nah, he's had that a while
[08:27] <ikonia> it's his mail server that he's been trying to configure for $X ammount of months
[08:27] <ikonia> (at least I think it's the same host)
[08:32] <elky> that he just claimed in PM to me he was setting up for "a friend" and coincidentally even knew to put the '-' at the end of the nick.
[08:32] <ikonia> well, that's lucky
[08:33] <elky> for an unregistered nick and everything
[08:33] <ikonia> some times the cards fall for you
[08:33] <ikonia> as it surly can't be a lie
[08:34] <Tm_T> tsssk
[09:34] <elky> oh dear gods...
[09:34] <Tm_T> again, aww
[13:09] <oCean> csilk> sorry, Where I come from that is not considered swearing. Where I come from also happens to be the place mark shuttleworth lives in case you were wondering
[13:12] <oCean> csilk> Don't quote me the rules when you don't understand them yourself and don't at a user when they are seeking clarification, you just asked me to be professional yet you are failing to do yourself.  It's your problem if I am offending your beliefs.  Welcome to the real world.
[13:12] <oCean> ^from pm
[13:12] <knome> umm
[13:13] <oCean> yeah
[13:13] <bazhang> I'll be professional when removing then
[13:14] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu csilk also lkj does not understand the concept of being professional, says he will continue swearing etc
[13:15] <bazhang> weird place to put eclipse
[13:35] <bazhang> raven is not watching what others say to him, just repeating every 30 seconds or so
[13:41] <ikonia> popey: you are just stupid with suggestions like "talk to the developer or log a bug to resolve the issue"
[13:57] <bazhang> troll detected
[13:57] <ikonia> just waiting for popey to nod
[13:57] <bazhang> the wink of an eye
[13:58] <ikonia> kudos popey
[13:58] <popey> cowsay meh
[13:58] <ikonia> still, solid effort
[14:14] <bazhang> vbox doesnt use the wifi chip afaik
[14:15] <mneptok> bazhang: it does NAT to the host, IIRC
[14:16] <bazhang> mneptok, yep. but never heard of wifi on a vm
[14:18] <ikonia> there isn't wifi on vm
[14:18] <ikonia> only host/bridging as mneptok states
[14:19] <bazhang> yes I know. sounds like Drecondius does not
[14:19] <ikonia> sounds like he's just making stuff up to be honest
[14:19] <ikonia> "it works fine in a vm"....
[14:20] <mneptok> "It works fine in Windows ..."
[14:20] <ikonia> that's understanable
[14:21]  * mneptok makes a very concerted effort not to bust out a tampon analogy
[14:21] <ikonia> I can see how that may make sense to people
[14:21] <mneptok> "These work great for my wife, but ...."
[14:24] <mneptok> ikonia: you mixed up those 2 users.
[14:24] <ikonia> totally
[14:25] <bazhang> google this banforward to ##google
[14:26] <mneptok> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kickban
[14:26] <mneptok> >:)
[14:27] <bazhang> evil unmasked!
[14:27] <LjL> i don't like what's going on, but maybe i'm just being weird as usual
[14:28] <ikonia> no, it's my fault
[14:28] <ikonia> bad call
 I don't understand the mentaility where sayign "I'm not sure, try Google" deserves snide remarks. If that's the case I don't want anything to do with such a backwards, unhelpful, garbage channel.
[14:28] <bazhang> irony defined
[14:30] <LjL> i think that "google it" was innocent enough, since he didn't know and was already in the middle of trying to help them (it wasn't an outright "google your problem"). after being attacked about it by several people immediately, i can sort of understand he's angry now.
[14:30] <ikonia> totally, it was my fault
[14:31] <ikonia> I thought it was the same guy getting help - it was me that blew it out of proportion
[14:35] <bazhang> LjL, have to disagree. google it is never a good choice, then when told it was unhelpful by the person asking the original question, he said: if you are going to be snide, then no help from me
[14:35] <bazhang> goodle it was never helpful in the first place
[14:35] <bazhang> -g +d
[14:35] <bazhang> whoops reverse that
[14:36] <LjL> yes, "i'm not sure, google it" is kind of unhelpful, but in that case, "i'm not sure" would have been as much. he just innocently added the google suggestion.
[14:36] <bazhang> just say nothing. I do it all the time
[14:37] <LjL> bazhang: say nothing, when he was already actively helping the user? just terminate the conversation? a wonderful idea
[14:37] <LjL> but whatever, if you people are going to bash everyone in a gang whenever someone breaks a rule innocently, be my guests, and see the channel deteriorate
[14:37] <LjL> make discussions about these petty things last 10 minutes in #ubuntu and subtract from support
[14:37] <bazhang> some users get in a mode where they have to answer every question
[14:39] <oCean> I think we should more actively point helpers to the supportersguide
[14:40] <oCean> ofcourse there will still be lots of users ignoring everything in that guide, and do whatever they want, suggest whatever they see fit
[14:41] <ikonia> LjL: it was totally my fault
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: it's ok, i'm a bit upset about the ganging up on him, not about any single intervention
[14:42] <ikonia> LjL: yes, but people jumped in as I blew it out of proportion as I got the users mixed up
[15:01] <mneptok> DeltaHeavy needs to stop ignoring the rules, justifying doing so, and promising to repeat the behavior, even if it means PM.
[15:02] <mneptok> OK, they got frustrated over the Google thing. but the attitude sucks.
[15:03] <oCean> agreed
[15:04] <bazhang> lordie he's pushing it
[15:09] <bazhang> that was a five second google of the error message
[15:15] <mneptok> why is it that the people looking for stuff like aircrack and metasploit are, almost universally, the least experienced people?
[15:16] <mneptok> to me it's like screaming, "I'M A FREAKIN' JET PILOT!" and then looking at a plane and saying, "OK, so where's the door on this thing?"
[15:17] <bazhang> heh. or the backtrack users
[15:17]  * mneptok nods furiously
[15:17] <Pricey> The documentation for aircrack is pretty awesome, lots of use cases/examples.
[15:17] <bazhang> auto root irc but the support channel bans root irc
[15:17] <Pricey> bazhang: You couldn't make that up.
[15:18] <mneptok> "I really need to get this running for my doctoral dissertation. Any help explaining what an 'MBR' is would be appreciated."
[15:18] <bazhang> Pricey, funny right? and it's not even supposed to be installed. nice to see you , by the way
[15:18] <Pricey> bazhang: You too, hope all is well :-)
[15:19] <bazhang> can't complain! but sometimes I still do
[15:21] <oCean> mneptok: they are probably the audience that assume the movie Swordfish is an educational documentary on how to hack
 i have no access to pastebin.com due to court orders, the site says. what is it?
[15:25] <bazhang> what?
[15:25] <bazhang> is pastebin the new megaupload?
[15:28] <oCean> for what, ascii movies?
[15:37] <jrib> Pricey: when you're done getting jdownloader, I need a million dollars
[15:37] <jrib> P Pricey
[15:38] <oCean> oh, is it request time?
[15:42] <Pricey> oCean: http://files.myopera.com/pjkix/albums/95819/no-pony.jpg
[15:44] <mneptok> oCean: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[15:44] <oCean> mneptok: no, not again :p
[15:45] <mneptok> oCean: so don't say things like "ASCII movies?"  ;)
[15:59] <oCean> not his first fb mark in BT
[17:37] <DFrostedWang> knome u r an assbag
[17:38] <knome> DFrostedWang, you were redirected here because you didn't change your nick when i asked your several times
[17:38] <DFrostedWang> My name isn't offensive
[17:38] <knome> and i see you are not willing to discuss the removal of the ban now
[17:38] <DFrostedWang> Futurama is PG-13.
[17:39] <knome> #xubuntu is not futurama
[17:39] <DFrostedWang> But my name is from that.
[17:39] <knome> i don't care where your nick is from. in #xubuntu, you should follow the channel guidelines and code of conduct
[17:40] <DFrostedWang> It's PG-13!
[17:40] <knome> !guidelines > DFrostedWang
[17:40] <knome> !coc > DFrostedWang
[17:41] <knome> DFrostedWang, please read those, and try to be cooperative, and we can resolve the ban for now
[17:41] <knome> DFrostedWang, once you've done reading, tell us
[17:51] <knome> DFrostedWang, you still reading, or just idling?
[17:52] <DFrostedWang> I don't see how my name is against the rules.
[17:52] <knome> DFrostedWang, did you read the guidelines?
[17:53] <DFrostedWang> Yes.
[17:53] <knome> DFrostedWang, re-read sections "language and subject" and "don't be annoying"
[17:56] <DFrostedWang> I reread them and I think your just an assbag. My name isn't offensive.
[17:56] <knome> okay, in that case, please leave this channel and come back in 24 hours, if you want to resolve the ban then
[17:59] <oCean> DFrostedWang: wrong choice
[17:59] <oCean> (to start ranting in #ubuntu channel that is)
[18:27] <Fuchs> obvious troll is obvious
[18:37] <Myrtti> you're free to catalyse
[18:42] <Fuchs> I tried to start, then I got called off to somewhere else
[18:42] <Fuchs> thats why I handed you a cupcake :)
[18:46] <oCean> why is it suddenly troll season?
[19:03] <Flannel> oCean: schools are getting out for summer
[19:06] <oCean> * ICWeiner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[19:08] <popey> Flannel: really?  where?
[19:09] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic IloveBSDandWindo A troll
[19:10] <oCean> What is LinuxMonkey trying to add?
[19:11] <Flannel> popey: What?
[19:11] <popey> 20:03:52 <+Flannel> oCean: schools are getting out for summer
[19:11] <Flannel> popey: Was that rhetorical?
[19:11] <popey> no
[19:11] <Flannel> oh.
[19:12] <oCean> here it isn't summer, yet
[19:12] <popey> well, indeed
[19:12] <Flannel> Well, most universities are finishing up, this past week or the week before, or next week.  High schools will be finishing in the next few weeks.
[19:13] <popey> oh ok
[19:13] <popey> my kids have 7 weeks or so left
[19:13] <popey> and they finish early
[19:14] <oCean> Sometimes I wish I was still in school
[19:14] <oCean> But when I *was* in school...
[19:14] <popey> same here
[19:49] <mcloy> suggestion: may be points system for  ubuntu helpers and ranking as they have more point migh be helpfull in helper stats and their permostion, finding better members and they get motivated.  (some auto system by which user gives a point. saying !thankyou <name> . what ever suits you)
[19:49] <mcloy> + other grounds be considered too.
[19:50] <AlanBell> there are parts of the Ubuntu support ecosystem like that, askubuntu.com in particular
[19:51] <AlanBell> if you like that syle of support then maybe that would be a more suitable place for you to contribute
[20:25] <genii-around> Hm
[20:45] <IdleOne> The FCC does not regulate the channels in the Ubuntu name space, just because your stupid government thinks it is OK to poison the children of America with offensive language and pretend that it is ok does not mean it is in the Ubuntu community.
[20:46] <IdleOne> This was a public service announcement brought to you by your friendly Ubuntu IRC op IdleOne.
[20:48] <genii-around> The FCC wants to regulate IRC channels ?
[20:50] <IdleOne> no
[20:50] <Jordan_U> genii-around: No, but people often complain about our policies not matching those of the FCC or sometimes claim that they are going to file a complaint against us with the FCC as a threat.
[20:50] <genii-around> Aaaaaaaah OK. I guess I came in after that was being mentioned
[20:50] <IdleOne> Because Futurama allows dumb words that we consider offensive so we should allow them also
[20:52] <genii-around> I guess some people think the laws of the USA apply to all of the internet
[23:41] <IdleOne> hello dedalux
[23:42] <IdleOne> dedalux: Anything I can help you with?