[02:53] <andai> I killed the panel so now alt+f2 doesn´t work and i can´t start the panel
[06:17] <earthling__> Is there a way change the colors in the area around the page in abiword?
[08:20] <xevious> I just installed 10.10 and Terminal is loading and TERM is set to dumb
[08:20] <xevious> Is there a fix for that? (I'm running updates now.)
[13:51] <wolfdogdesigns> Hey all.  I chmodded /dev/vboxdrv to 777. But now my wireless is completely broken and i need it to do any work
[13:55] <Khedron> changing it to 777 broke your wireless?
[13:57] <wolfdogdesigns> Well, that's the only system wide thing I changed. Other than that, all I did was install box and install a win doze In it
[13:57] <wolfdogdesigns> Which I suppose coulda done it too, though I don't know why
[13:59] <Khedron> hmm, weird, I don't think changing it to 777 would do that or installing windows, I know there was a bug on some realtek chipsets a while back but I think its fixed now
[14:00] <Khedron> what mode is virtualbox setup to for networking? bridged/nat?
[14:04] <wolfdogdesigns> Nat I think
[14:08] <wolfdogdesigns> But wireless is broken fro. Boot, without me starting vb
[14:09] <Khedron> doesn't sound like it would be vb, is the interface actually up?
[14:09] <Khedron> sudo ifconfig
[14:09] <wolfdogdesigns> Inst even listed
[14:10] <Khedron> hmm
[14:11] <Khedron> you didn't change anything else?
[14:12] <wolfdogdesigns> Nope. Installed vb and modules for it, changed privileges on /dev/vboxdrv and installed xp in a virtual box
[14:14] <Khedron> ok, no idea then lol, you might want to ask in the standard ubuntu channel as there may be someone who knows more about virtualbox
[14:16] <wolfdogdesigns> Fair enough. Thanks anyway
[14:20] <alpine101> anyone know a quick way of getting caps lock indicator applet?  (instructions etc)
[18:30] <MavMerekat> umm
[18:30] <likemindead> Eh?
[18:30] <MavMerekat> stupid question, maybe, but how do I go about configuring multiple monitors in Xfce?
[18:30] <likemindead> !resolution
[18:30] <TheSheep> !twinhead
[18:30] <likemindead> FAIL!
[18:31] <likemindead> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=xfce+dual+monitors
[18:31] <TheSheep> !dualhead
[18:31] <MavMerekat> thanks, likemindead
[18:32] <Sysi> shorter: install arandr
[18:33] <MavMerekat> for the dual monitors, Sysi?
[18:33] <Sysi> it's GUI tool for that
[18:34] <MavMerekat> I'll give that a try
[18:34] <Sysi> it it doesn't work, it'll get tougher
[18:35] <MavMerekat> as if the old nvidia-96 drivers not working with the new X server wasn't bad enough...
[18:35]  * MavMerekat sighs
[18:35] <Sysi> propietary </3
[18:37] <MavMerekat> sweet, arandr did the trick
[18:38] <MavMerekat> while I'm here... is it possible to remove the patch of grey around desktop icon text?
[18:51] <Mav_Merekat> if anyone answered my last question already, sorry but I missed it... so, is it possible to remove the patch of grey around desktop icon text?
[19:07] <Mav_Merekat> so.. it's not possible?
[21:50] <Groverboy> Hello everyone; I'm kinda new to Xubuntu but learning my way around pretty quickly. I loaded 10.10 on a Gateway 450sx4 and just about everything is good, except that anytime I try to Shutdown it just restarts. The laptop has the latest BIOS available to it. Anyone know anything to try?
[23:00] <clao> hello.. i remeber having used a program to setup my keyboard, by entering some caracters... i think it was un installation... how do i run that program again?


[00:03] <LjL> anybody has an expedient interface to moving a locobot? :)
[00:04] <Seeker`> LjL: huh?
[00:05] <LjL> Seeker`: i need locobot_1 moved from #ubuntu.tr to #ubuntu-tr
[00:06] <Piero_Scarufii> how can i test if i am still using the 8001 port?
[00:06] <Piero_Scarufii> #ubuntu-read-topic < test me failed in there
[00:06] <PriceChild> Piero_Scarufii: its in your client settings
[00:06] <LjL> Piero_Scarufii: type "test me" again now
[00:06] <Piero_Scarufii> test me
[00:06] <LjL> in the other channel
[00:06] <Piero_Scarufii> ok ty
[00:06] <LjL> you're connected to the right port
[00:06] <Piero_Scarufii> ty
[00:07] <Seeker`> LjL: ban-forward?
[00:07] <LjL> might not necessarily work, never tested
[00:07] <LjL> (or well, maybe i have, but don't remember the outcome)
[00:08] <Seeker`> surely the server pulls you to the new channel?
[00:08] <Seeker`> i suppose the bot would have to have autorejoin on
[00:08] <LjL> Seeker`: there's a mode that stops that
[00:08] <LjL> and i don't know if it has autorejoin
[00:08] <LjL> anyway, we'll see in a moment
[00:09] <LjL> the contact just said he's moving anyway
[00:10] <Piero_Scarufii> LjL oh btw i think i still owe you an apology for the other day
[00:10] <Piero_Scarufii> sorry
[00:11] <LjL> Piero_Scarufii: it's ok, but try to keep your cool and read instructions, next time. people aren't necessarily out to get you.
[00:11] <Piero_Scarufii> ok ty
[00:15] <LjL> Seeker`: it moved with a kickforward
[00:15] <LjL> still they should be notified (but no hurry at this point)
[00:18] <Seeker`> yeah
[00:18] <Seeker`> cool
[00:18] <Seeker`> How do you do a kickforward?
[00:19] <PriceChild> Seeker`: /mode +b *!*@*!#channel
[00:20] <PriceChild> as well as a kick (will trigger autorejoin occasionally.. wheras removes don't)
[00:20] <LjL> well yeah
[00:21] <Seeker`> so a banforward and kick
[00:21] <LjL> though in this case what i actually meant was that we set +if and kicked
[00:21] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[00:27] <LjL> oh wonderful, there is also #ubuntuturkiye, #kubuntu-turkiye and #ubuntu-turkiye
[00:27] <LjL> they are an approved loco team according to the wiki, but i can't see any launchpad page
[00:29] <Seeker`> Who added them to the wiki page?
[00:30] <LjL> lemme see
[00:32] <LjL> [01:30:55] <heartsmagic> ok, #ubuntu-tr and #ubuntuturkiye, #kubuntu-turkiye is our channels as kubuntu-tr.org and ubuntu-tr.org
[00:32] <LjL> [01:31:05] <heartsmagic> but #ubuntu.tr does not belong to us
[00:32] <LjL> but there was a locobot in #ubuntu.tr.
[00:33] <Seeker`> that sounds like a fun mess to sort out
[00:37] <LjL> ok, posting here for my own clarification too
[00:37] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList?action=recall&rev=850 had
[00:37] <LjL> (on 20 March 2008)
[00:38] <LjL> Turkey    Ubuntuturkey   TurkishTeam    #ubuntuturkiye [MAILTO]   ubuntu AT ubuntu DASH tr DOT info [WWW]   http://www.ubuntu-tr.info  [WWW]   http://www.ubuntu-tr.info
[00:38] <LjL> in the UNapproved teams list
[00:38] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList?action=recall&rev=852
[00:39] <LjL> (26 March 2008) had
[00:39] <LjL> Turkey    Ubuntuturkey   TurkishTeam    #ubuntuturkiye [MAILTO]   lists AT ubuntu DASH tr DOT org [WWW]   http://www.ubuntu-tr.org [WWW]   http://www.ubuntu-tr.org
[00:40] <LjL> raptoid (channel contact for #ubuntu.tr and now #ubuntu-tr) told me: [00:58:28] <raptoid> http://www.ubuntu-tr.info - ubuntu offical turkish web zone
[00:40] <Seeker`> seems like a bit of a conflict
[00:40] <LjL> the Launchpad page for those claiming to be the approved team on the wiki is https://launchpad.net/~turkishteam
[00:41] <LjL> the currently active channel is #kubuntu-turkiye
[00:41] <Seeker`> you should speak to the "contact" there then
[00:41] <LjL> which is also given as their channel at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TurkishTeam - which is the page linked to from the approved teams list
[00:42] <LjL> rather, i think i need to look at CC meeting logs
[00:45] <LjL> i don't think i see the approval of any turkish team by the CC, at least during 2007 and 2008
[00:49] <Seeker`> I cant find any instances of "turk" in the CC logs since June
[00:51] <LjL> same
[00:58] <Seeker`> LjL: Can't see any references to "turk" in any of the CC logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Meeting+logs&titlesearch=Titles
[00:59] <LjL> uhm, the last message is a bit of a relief... if it's true
[00:59] <LjL> (in -irc i mean)
[01:00] <Seeker`> LjL: When was the last CC meeting?
[01:01] <LjL> Seeker`, that i can see, 21 february
[01:01] <LjL> unless someone had the bright idea of setting a date on the wiki without commenting on the edit :)
[01:03] <Seeker`> LjL: Just checked through mootbot logs for meetings recorded through it since that date in -meeting, and there wasn't anything related to the CC
[01:03] <LjL> i'll check irclogs for that date... perhaps it wasn't transcribed
[01:05] <LjL> i really see nothing about it
[01:05] <Seeker`> as them if they cant point you to a log
[01:05] <Seeker`> s/as/ask
[01:06] <LjL> Seeker`: well, he said he "thinks" so, so i doubt he'd have it. he's not the team contact anyway
[01:07] <LjL> oh, the contact is online now
[01:14] <Seeker`> LjL: The last CC meeting that ausimage is aware of is Feb 21st
[01:14] <Seeker`> and he watches out for that sort of thing to do minutes etc.
[01:15] <LjL> the wiki changes were done by "Ubuntuturkey", would seem like a fictious user representing the team
[01:15] <Seeker`> hmm
[01:16] <Seeker`> interesting
[01:16] <Seeker`> I wouldn't have thought that faking approval was something people would do
[01:18] <Myrtti> what's this tobmaif feller
[01:18] <LjL> note that both #ubuntu.tr and #ubuntu-tr are much older than these people's channels
[01:18] <Myrtti> a bot?
[01:18] <Myrtti> look at the ident
[01:19] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where?
[01:19] <Myrtti> tobmaif fiambot
[01:19] <Myrtti> -ot
[01:19] <LjL> hmmmm
[01:19] <LjL> [02:19:27] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-VERSION request to tobmaif.
[01:19] <Seeker`> Myrtti: looks spammy to me
[01:19] <LjL> [02:19:28] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from tobmaif: BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.20-BT-PwnSauce-NOSMP : Keep it to yourself!.
[01:20] <Myrtti> aham.
[01:20] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[01:34] <LjL> PriceChild, elkbuntu, nalioth: look at what i posted above and in #ubuntu-locoteams (tidier), and the discussion in #ubuntu-irc... i think we might want to write to the cc for clarification?
[01:35] <LjL> note i haven't had any complaints coming from either channel. only, the #ubuntu.tr (now #ubuntu-tr, since that redirected there anyway) contact, "Raptoid", responded to one of my old memoservs sent to channel contacts
[01:40] <Seeker`> anyone staff-ish about?
[02:46] <LjL> (ping myrtti, nickrud) removed ban on "tobmaif" (bas1-toronto35-1279337097.dsl.bell.ca) from #ubuntu, -offtopic and +1 as they were k-lined
[07:01] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (kalow)
[07:15] <Myrtti> LjL: ok
[08:27] <Myrtti> ^____o fat_rat on -ot
[10:09] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: who's eagles?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: a clueless guy.  was in there july or so of last year, too
[10:10] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: he tried recommending a windows-only, propriatory debugger to the people of #ubuntu-devel, as he didn't think we had good enough debuggers in ubuntu.
[10:11] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: /me didn't know, sorry :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> among other general rubbish
[10:11] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: no problem.  most people are lucky enough not to need to
[10:11] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: he really couldn't see why this might be a bad thing to do, either.
[10:14] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:20] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i probably *shouldn't* keep taking the piss out of him, and should just quiet him, as he clearly hasn't learned, but i can't really ban people just for being annoying.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it's one of those who we know isn't going to get any better, still hasn't learned from last time, but hasn't really done enough to warrant a channel ban, apart from being annoying.
[10:21] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: you mean the eagles in #k-devel?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> so, until he's clearly obstructive to the channel's aims, my hands are pretty much tied there.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yeah
[10:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: seems to be asking normal devel questions to me..
[10:23] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: you'll see.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: the whole "lack of using information he's been given" will become apparent, if not already.
[10:27] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I see.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> unless i'm completely and utterly wrong, and he has changed, even though his behaviour so far hasn't indicated that
[10:34]  * Jucato is surprised Hobbsee hasn't !msgthebot on eagles yet :)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've been playing in #leifswolfbot, so have been ignoring him.
[10:34] <Jucato> O.o
[10:35] <Jucato> :D
[10:36] <Hobbsee> it's fun!
[10:49] <Dave2> that damn #leifswolfbot, encouraging people to use bot commands in chan. ahem.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:49] <ikonia> heads up on falco - know bot abuser
[11:49] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[12:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, Evil-MoBo said: what is the server channel
[12:44] <Pici> !bot > evil-mobo
[12:45] <Pici> !ot > evil-mobo
[12:48] <ikonia> morning ompaul
[12:48] <ompaul> ikonia, how do
[13:27] <Seeker`> rZog: Can we help you?
[13:28] <ompaul> !test
[13:28] <ubotu> Failed.
[13:28] <ompaul> %test
[13:28] <ompaul> @test
[13:29] <ompaul> rZog, you have joined #ubuntu-ops
[13:36] <ompaul> rZog, on the basis that you are here - let me help you - your quit message is unacceptable for a #ubuntu* channel
[13:36] <ompaul> I am going to remove you from here - you can come back when you want to talk
[14:13] <ikonia_> LjL: are you there
[14:25] <ikonia> ughh
[14:25] <ikonia> sorry
[14:30] <Seeker`> ikonia: having fun with your connection?
[14:34] <ikonia> Seeker`: for some reason screen hung until I recovered my nick, then it came back to lfe
[14:34] <ikonia> life
[14:34] <Seeker`> :/
[15:04] <LjL> meh
[15:05] <LjL> kde-guidance - Readded kubuntu_30_displayconfig_no_xorg_correct_detection.patch which doesn't break the api.
[15:05] <LjL> it had been reverted yesterday with an angry changelog
[15:05] <LjL> now we have edit wars on core package?
[15:05] <LjL> do they realize that plenty of people are using hardy and looking at these changelogs?
[15:06] <Seeker`> woo! edit wars! :P
[15:06] <Seeker`> LjL: link?
[15:07] <LjL> Seeker`: no idea about the link, this is from apt-listchanges when upgrading
[15:07] <LjL> they do link to bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/203378
[15:07] <ubotu2> launchpad bug 203378 in kde-guidance: "Guidance displayconfig does not automatically detect monitor config on systems with no xorg.conf" [Medium,Fix Released]
[15:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203378 in kde-guidance "Guidance displayconfig does not automatically detect monitor config on systems with no xorg.conf" [Medium,Fix released]
[15:08] <LjL> anyway yesterday it was, basically, "Removing kubuntu_xorg_blah.patch because it breaks the API and is absolutely inappropriate just before a release, see bug # with about a hundred duplicates"
[15:09] <ikonia> LjL: check memo serve, it's nothing major, but I don't know why it just came through now
[15:19] <jpatrick> LjL: seems they're on about it in #ubuntu-devel
[15:19] <LjL> which i don't have joined, thanks to my proxy
[15:19]  * Hobbsee shakes her head.
[15:20] <LjL> it's fine to disagree
[15:20] <Hobbsee> [00:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, so the patch is actually different now, and doesn't come from andreas, but actually comes from ScottK instead?
[15:20] <Hobbsee> [00:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's different yes
[15:20] <Hobbsee> [00:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: various of us must have misread the changelog (0ubuntu15) that said the patch had been changed, not just readded.
[15:20] <LjL> but hell why do you push arguments this blatantly on a changelog that every user sees, come on
[15:38] <LjL> and while everyone's busy arguing whether something is appropriate or absolutely inappropriate before a release...
[15:38] <LjL> nobody has looked at my little innocent bug about kbluetooth opening konqueror instead of dolphin when clicked on :(
[15:40] <LjL> Seveas, you can join #ubuntu from that gateway, the bot didn't tell you because it isn't voiced
[15:41] <Seveas> LjL, yeah it had me puzzled for a second
[15:45] <Mez> LjL, but ... konqueror is SOOO much better than dolphin
[15:45]  * Mez cant stand dolphin.
[15:45] <Pici> I like dolphins. Flipper, and the mysql logo.
[15:45] <Mez> The only time I need to use a file manager is when I need to do something like, transferring a file, whatever
[15:46] <Mez> I likes my split screen too much
[15:46] <Mez> and dolphin just takes up wAYYY too much screen real estate (and I'm on 3200x1200)
[15:46] <Pici> Also, the talking dolphin from SeaQuest.
[15:47]  * Mez feeds Pici a wet trout
[15:47] <Myrtti> herring
[15:47]  * Pici enjoys the trout more than he does KDE
[16:02] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[16:02] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[16:02] <Pici> Hey, its not a false positive this time.
[16:03] <Mez> !staff flood bots & mass PMs
[16:03] <Dave2> yes, we know
[16:03] <Pici> Hence the d-lines
[16:03] <Mez> Dave2,  :D
[16:04] <Pici> Thanks Dave2 & staff.
[16:04] <Pici> er, and other staff ;)
[16:04]  * Mez still has some nicks that werent dlined
[16:04] <Mez> nvm.. they just got klined
 Sturmeh  Botnet  hi
 shh u
[16:10] <Mez> o_O ?
[16:10] <Pici> Yeah, I was watching that too
[16:12] <Mez> yok = suspicious GECOS
[16:12] <Pici> yes.
[16:13] <Pici> Mez: I think Sturmeh just got dragged into the conversation unwillingly.
[16:14] <Mez> I dunno - seems like yok was trying to say that sturmeh ran the bot attack... but thats my take
[16:15] <Mez> grr
[16:15] <Pici> +z, you read my mind.
[16:16]  * Mez has a feeling yok is responsible for the botnet
[16:16] <Mez> seeing as its running again
[16:17] <Mez> * bilgebilge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:17] <Mez> * sevtap_sex<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:17] <Pici> Unfortunately, theres no  concrete proof of that.
[16:17] <Mez> I know... but It's a gut feeling
[16:17] <Pici> Oh, I agree.
[16:19] <Pici> 11:19:09 <?yok> Botnet and i am to work  you to want ?
[16:19] <Mez> too fast for me
[16:20] <Pici> Sounds like hes advertising his botnet to me.
[16:20] <Mez> yup
[16:20] <Mez> again no proof
[16:20] <Mez> Dave2, ping
[16:20] <Mez> #
[16:20] <Mez> Dave2, can you read muted people as staff - or do you still need to be opped?
[16:22] <Dave2> you still need to be opped.
[16:22] <Dave2> (and the channel still needs to be +z)
[16:23] <Mez> Dave2, I was asking -so you could see what this yop guy is saying. you mind me opping you in #ubuntu?
[16:23] <Mez> dont think yop is gonna respond to me
[16:23] <Pici> Mez: I'm going to deop, I have work to get done.
[16:24] <Dave2> hm, lemme see
[16:25] <pat5star> hi, i'm banned from #kubuntu. is there web page someone can point me too so I can find out how to get unbanned, or is it just a matter of time?
[16:25] <Mez> @btlogin
[16:25] <Mez> pat5star, why were you banned?
[16:25] <pat5star> Mez: probably because stupid sense of humour while drinking, most likely very deserved...think it happened last week
[16:26] <pat5star> Mez: but I'm sorry and sober now, if that helps :)
[16:26]  * Mez hmmles
[16:27] <Mez> stdin, ping - your ban
[16:27] <Mez> and Madpilot
[16:27] <Mez> you got 2 bans in half an hour - #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[16:28]  * Mez reads logs
[16:29] <pat5star> Mez: oh I just checked, you're right...I thought it was just #kubuntu, now that really sucks...I'm such an idiot
[16:30] <Mez> pat5star, you were in #ubuntu giving advice for people to chmod -R 777 /
[16:30] <Mez> :(
[16:30] <ikonia> please deal with ok
[16:30] <ikonia> yok
[16:30] <pat5star> :(
[16:30] <ikonia> thank you Mez
[16:31] <Pici> I'm just too slow today.
[16:31] <Mez> and then you went into #kubuntu and asked how to fix your Windows Vista box that you blew up
[16:31] <Mez> not exactly good behaviour
[16:31] <ikonia> Pici: just today ;)
[16:31] <pat5star> Mez: don't know who I have to explain too, but I usually help others (with good advice) on both those channels.  How long do I have to suffer the consequences for that?!
[16:32] <Mez> You have to wait for MadPilot or stdin to get back I'm afraid
[16:32] <pat5star> Mez: are they the only 2 who can unban me?
[16:33] <Mez> they're the people who set the bans... so it's their decision when to remove them. That's generally how we work
[16:33] <pat5star> Mez: and is it a permanent ban?
[16:34] <pat5star> Mez: ok, last question. Do I just have to catch one of them in this channel someday, or can I email them or something?
[16:34] <Mez> pat5star, *shrugs* I didnt place the ban. but I shouldn't think so. You're relatively new on the radar
[16:34] <Mez> you can try emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want - that might get their attention. But I think it might be easier to catch them on here - or use memoserv
[16:34] <pat5star> memoserv?
[16:35] <pat5star> is that a channel?
[16:35] <Mez> /msg memoserv help
[16:36] <pat5star> Mez: ok, thx for all your help :)
[16:54] <ikonia> can someone step in on gfetco in #ubuntu please
[16:55] <hischild> can we please get some assistance in #ubuntu?
[16:55] <ikonia> just trolling and trying to bait people
[16:55] <ikonia> hischild: already asked
[16:55]  * PriceChild looks
[16:55] <hischild> ikonia, ok
[16:55]  * hischild thansk PriceChild
[16:55]  * Pici was going to look
[16:55] <ikonia> Pici: your not having a good day today
[16:55] <PriceChild> ignore him for now
[16:56] <Pici> *sigh*
[16:57] <Pici> piss off is bad language?
[16:58] <ikonia> bit rude in uk
[16:58] <Mez> piss = a curse word
[16:58] <Pici> Ah. Its not offensive in the US.
[16:58] <Mez> Pici, it is here in the uk.
[16:59] <Pici> Okay.
[17:00]  * Mez hugs Pici
[17:03] <hischild> uhm i might be asking a bit to much, but he's starting to be a bit annoying IMO
[17:03] <PriceChild> he'll run along in a sexon
[17:04] <PriceChild> *second
[17:04] <hischild> i thank you kindly
[17:04] <ikonia> thank god
[17:04] <Mez> PriceChild, freudian slip?
[17:05] <Mez> >gfetco< Please understand that #ubuntu is a support channel for ubuntu only - please take off topic chatter ot #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:06] <Mez> >gfetco< you have also been temporarily muted in #ubuntu while I talk to you
[17:06] <hischild> that explains the sudden silence in there
[17:07] <Mez> :D
[17:08] <Myrtti> now he's in -ot...
[17:08] <Myrtti> looking
[17:08] <Mez> banforwarded to -ot
[17:09] <Pici> why?
[17:09] <hischild> refusing to listen?
[17:10] <Mez> he was saying that he would still chatter in #ubuntu. and that he wanted to be there to annoy Pelo .. (?)
[17:10] <Mez> so I've added a banforward and told him to come back to me in a couple of days and I'll think about letting him back into #ubuntu
[17:10] <ikonia> ok, so as pelo's not even speaking he's come in with the intetion of trolling
[17:12]  * ompaul wanders
[17:15] <Mez> Note to ops. Use your judgement as to whether to let him in in a few days if I'm not here
[17:15] <Pici> Hes not going to know hes banned if hes forwarded to -ot.
[17:17] <Mez> I've told him that he's banforwarded to -ot and to come in here and ask in a few days
[17:18] <ompaul> Mez, who?
[17:18] <Mez> gfetco
[17:18] <ompaul> translated into banned for life?
[17:18] <ompaul> hehe
[17:19] <ompaul> ok we see it
[17:19] <Mez> ompaul, no - if he behaves, no problem letting him back in
[17:19] <Mez> but ONLY if he behaves
[17:19] <ompaul> behaves tends to be future tense - this calls for estimation I think we can do this
[17:19] <Mez> ompaul, be nice
[17:20] <Mez> ikonia, chill
[17:20]  * ompaul wonders
[17:20] <ikonia> this guys is clearly just making fun and baiting
[17:21] <Pici> yes.
[17:24] <Seeker`> why is he still there?
[17:24]  * Mez believes in not acting too heavy handedly
[17:24] <Seeker`> That is understandable, but when someone is clerly a troll
[17:24] <Pici> imo this is being too lenient.
[17:25] <ikonia> it's disrupting the channel
[17:25] <Seeker`> yeah, there is giving someone the benefit of the doubt, and then there is feeding the troll
[17:25] <Mez> happy?
[17:26] <ikonia> thanks
 Okay, I will change IP and then make new user
 :)
 and get klined woo
[17:27] <Mez> !staff | see above
[17:27] <ubotu> see above: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[17:27] <Myrtti> isn't that a bit overboard
[17:27] <Mez> Myrtti, ?
[17:27] <ompaul> yes
[17:27] <PriceChild> I thouhgt you quieted him?
[17:28] <Mez> you missed most of it PriceChild
[17:28] <ompaul> Mez, you quite someone if he comes back you then shout for staff
[17:28] <Mez> read backlog
[17:28] <ompaul> Mez, you remove someone if he comes back you then shout for staff
[17:28] <ompaul> you don't try to preempt it does not work that way
[17:28] <Mez> apologies for the premature eja^Wstaff call then
[17:28] <Myrtti> meh
[17:28] <ompaul> not funny
[17:29]  * Mez rolls eyes
[17:29] <Myrtti> /me rolls thumbs
[17:29] <ompaul> if the wind changes                   (now that is funny)
[17:29] <Mez> uh?
[17:30] <ompaul> if the wind changes you will be left like that  .......... spoof to stop kids from making faces
[17:30] <Mez> ah.
[17:30] <Mez> lol
[17:34] <Mez> he's now flooding me
[17:34] <PriceChild> Mez: /silence
[17:34] <Mez> and excess flooded himself!
[17:34] <Mez> woo
[17:35] <Mez> PriceChild, I never /silence. I just ignore the window. Silence is bad, cause they might have a legit reason to contat you in future.
[17:36] <Mez> and doesnt silence also silence them in channels too ?
[17:36] <PriceChild> afaik silence does pms, ignore does pms and channels
[17:37] <Mez> PriceChild, ah, I thought ignore had options
[17:37] <spb> ignore is a client function, so what it does depends on the client
[17:37] <Mez> or maybe thats just xchat
[17:37] <spb> silence just does privmsgs
[17:37] <PriceChild> spb: to the rescue :)
[17:37] <Mez> spb, thanks. Though I still dont like silence, as it has the potential to block things for the future. Unless it resets on quit ? :P
[17:38] <spb> when you quit, your client structure is deallocated
[17:38] <spb> along with the silence list
[17:38] <Pici> I prefer to just ignore the window.  Except Gary.
[17:40] <Mez> yeah, same here.
[17:40] <Seeker`> :P
[17:40]  * Mez just doesnt reply
[17:40] <Mez> fun to watch people getting frustrated though
[17:41] <spb> you are such a troll
[17:41] <Mez> spb, I love you too
[17:41] <Myrtti> I once tried to ease the pain of watching what was goin on at #ubuntu and did /ignore #ubuntu joins parts quits
[17:42] <Myrtti> it was a good idea until I removed a wrong person
[17:42] <spb> that's why you use /kick
[17:42] <Pici> I currently relocate my joins/parts/quits of ubuntu to a separate window.
[17:42] <spb> or add an exception for parts with the message "requested by"
[17:43] <Myrtti> it still made it difficult to follow through if the person rejonis
[17:43] <Myrtti> rejoins, even
[17:44] <spb> that's where you script it to not ignore joins from someone who was kicked in the last five minutes
[17:44] <Myrtti> anyway, nicklist.pl does help a bit
[17:44] <Myrtti> and I'm stressed out so I'm not at #ubuntu now at all
[17:53] <jdong> ikonia: do you have access in #uf or is that a stupid question? :)
[17:54] <ikonia> nope
[17:54] <ikonia> ha ha, it would have been stupid
[17:54] <ikonia> ;)
[17:55] <jdong> I thought you had magical powers ;-)
[17:55] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[17:55] <ikonia> this discussion would have ended by now......
[18:17] <eagles0513875> can someone tell me why i was banned from motu channel
[18:18] <ompaul> eagles0513875, perhaps hang on a moment
[18:18] <eagles0513875> ompaul: ty
[18:27] <ompaul> it appears you need to talk with Hobbsee perhaps you can come back later when Hobbsee is around
[18:27] <ompaul> eagles0513875, ^^ I can't locate the exact cause at this time - but can keep looking if you want
[18:28] <eagles0513875> ompaul: i would like to be unbanned from the motu channel
[18:28] <ompaul> not within my gift
[18:28] <eagles0513875> who could i talk to about it cuz this is the first time after a long hiatus to be back on kubuntu and i need access to revu to upload fixed bugs
[18:29] <Pici> eagles0513875: you'd need to talk to Hobbsee, ompaul just said that.
[18:29] <PriceChild> eagles0513875: I'm pretty sure you can attatch debdiffs to bugs on launchpad still?
[18:29] <ompaul> eagles0513875,  it appears you need to talk with Hobbsee as I said already
[18:29] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:30] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: ?
[18:30] <eagles0513875> u referring to what im talking bout in dev channel PriceChild
[18:30] <PriceChild> eagles0513875: pardon?
[18:31] <eagles0513875> PriceChild> eagles0513875: I'm pretty sure you can attatch debdiffs to bugs on launchpad still?
[18:31] <eagles0513875> is this in relation to my bug that im working on
[18:31] <ompaul> eagles0513875, it is a comment on your current irc status and the fact it is not directly related to lp
[18:32] <eagles0513875> it is
[18:32] <ompaul> eagles0513875, as I have already advised perhaps you would like to call back in a few hours when Hobbsee may address you on this matter directly
[18:33] <eagles0513875> ompaul: ok
[18:35] <ompaul> !idle | eagles0513875
[18:35] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[18:37] <eagles0513875> ok sry ompaul
[18:39] <ompaul> security has failed keescook is in the house ;-)
[18:39]  * ompaul awards self bad pun of the day
[18:39] <keescook> hi! can someone expire the "kees" nick for me, I'd like to start using it and it is passed the 60 day mark.
[18:39] <keescook> heh
[18:39] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ please help the nice man
[18:40] <ompaul> Gary, ~^^ ditto
[18:40] <ompaul> i.e. one of you please give the guy a helping whatsit
[18:40] <PriceChild> keescook: please /nick kees
[18:41] <PriceChild> kees: how long have you been watching it, waiting for it to pass? :)
[18:41] <kees> PriceChild: about 2 years.  ;)
[18:41] <PriceChild> kees: done
[18:41]  * kees hugs PriceChild and ompaul
[18:41] <ompaul> kees, use the same password as you do for keescook
[18:41] <ompaul> and linkz them
[18:43] <kees> ompaul: cool, doing that now, thanks!
[18:45] <kees> yay happy nick.  i'm outta here.  :)
[19:06] <nickrud> nikrud wonders about people changing their nicks
[19:07] <PriceChild> nickrud: wouldn't catch you doing that now would we?
[19:07] <nickrud> I wasn't changing, only refining ;)
[19:17] <ompaul> paging mneptok paging mneptok please pick up the nearest red phone
[19:19] <Myrtti> MNEPTOK!
[19:19] <Myrtti> :->
[19:19] <ompaul> now if that does not highlight him I don't know what will
[19:31] <ompaul> Pici, is there a factoid for setting up server networking?
[19:33] <Mez> !search server
[19:33] <Mez> !search network
[19:33] <ubotu> Found: aptproxy, ftpd, mldonkey, mda, smtp, teg, ubuntu-server, servergui, identify, compiz
[19:33] <ubotu> Found: mldonkey, network manager, umode, scp, hacker, samba, network, freenode, hostname, network-manager
[19:34] <Mez> ompaul, dont look like it - but I might be able to help?
[19:34] <ompaul> (A) find me a network config for servers
[19:34] <ompaul> (B) give me its address
[19:34] <ompaul> (C) we make a factoid
[19:34] <ompaul> I have seen three requests for server configs today
[19:34] <Mez> ompaul, depends on what you mean by "a network config"
[19:35] <ompaul> get them up and running on some class of network so they can play with their apache or whatever ie interfaces setup with reasonable easy docs to follow
[19:36] <ompaul> i.e. start with sudo dhclient and if that fails do this .... etc
[19:36]  * ompaul searches the wiki for
[19:36] <ompaul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/
[19:36] <ompaul> wqoops
[19:36] <Mez> ompaul, I can write a quick blog on setting up static interfaces if you want ?
[19:36] <ompaul> if it is in the ubuntu space
[19:37] <Mez> what you mean "in the ubuntu space" ?
[19:38] <ompaul> .ubuntu-*.*
[19:39] <Mez> ompaul - Im a little confused how a blog can be in the ubuntu space?
[19:39] <Mez> (other than planet)
[19:39] <ompaul> there ya go
[19:39] <ompaul> that makes my day if it is on planet
[19:42] <Mez> ompaul, of course it gets onto plane
[19:42]  * Mez starts blogging
[19:42]  * ompaul shouts out mneptok again
[19:42]  * ompaul hops around on one foot and shouts mneptok
[19:42] <ompaul> that might get the message across
[19:43] <Mez> want me to include ipv6 aswell?
[19:43] <ompaul> start out with a full 4
[19:43] <ompaul> personally I would leave 6 to a whole other post
[19:44] <Mez> hehe, but i
[19:44] <Mez> ve been doing a lot of ipv6 ;
[19:44] <Seeker`> There is a very short period of notice for the CC meeting
[19:44] <Seeker`> Mez: IPv6 addresses are too long
[19:44] <PriceChild> tomorrow...
[19:44] <Mez> when is the CC meeting
[19:44] <Mez> Seeker`, not neccesarily
[19:45] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Exactly :)
[19:45] <Mez> dig +short -t AAAA stupor.sourceguru.ne
[19:45] <Mez> dig +short -t AAAA stupor.sourceguru.net
[19:45] <Mez> argh
[19:45] <Mez> 2001:ba8:1f1:f006::3
[19:45] <Mez> thats my IPv6 address for one of my servers
[19:45] <Mez> and Amaranth's website
[19:45] <Seeker`> Mez: Its a bit more difficult than <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:45] <ompaul> but not an ipv4 and we want people to walk
[19:46] <ompaul> remember most of them never installed a server before
[19:46] <Seeker`> PriceChild: And I only found out cause popey pointed it out
[19:48] <Mez> ompaul... aw :(
[19:49]  * Seeker` considers adding an agenda item about the amount of notice given
[19:50] <jussio1> Seeker`: unfortunately this happens a little too often for my liking... I almost missed my member application because of it. :/
[19:50] <popey> subscribe to the page then
[19:50] <ompaul> Mez, the reason I asked for one in the first place is that I have networks of machine providing services - but I know what I am doing (most of the time) - I am looking towards the raison d'etre of #ubuntu to help users get up on their feet
[19:51] <ompaul> popey, we only see it on the day ;-)
[19:51] <Daviey> .. of edit
[19:51]  * ompaul tapes popey up in the corner and gives him lots of guinness shhhhhh there
[19:51] <Mez> ompaul, well, I'm currently writing about dhcp setup
[19:51] <Mez> (the easiest)
[19:51] <ompaul> Mez, yeap as I said walk not run ipv4 short steps work best
[19:52] <popey> i knew about the cc meet because I subscribe to the page and hence get an email when it's edited
[19:52] <popey> !wfm
[19:52] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[19:52]  * Daviey thinks a CC meeting sooner rather than later is better.. before idiots continue to blog on some of the matters
[19:53] <Seeker`> Daviey: A meeting is needed, however, there should be more than 19 hours notice
[19:54] <popey> why?
[19:54] <popey> it's a meeting for the cc
[19:54] <Seeker`> popey: why do you insist on at least 1 weeks notice for -uk meetings?
[19:54] <popey> because people are involved
[19:54] <popey> there is no obligation for you to attend the cc meet
[19:55] <Seeker`> there isn't an obligation for me to attend the -uk meetings
[19:55] <popey> no, but there is more chance you'll have input
[19:56] <popey> people like to sit in on the cc meet, but it's really designed for the cc (and people who have an interest in specific agenda items)
[19:56] <popey> which given the current agenda I guess you do :)
[19:57] <Daviey> is it too late to add "fit for purpose" to the agenda?
[19:57] <popey> about what?
[19:57] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:02] <Amaranth> @schedule
[20:02] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 15 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 16 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 21:00: Server Team
[20:03] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[20:03] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 15 Apr 06:00: Community Council | 16 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 16:00: Server Team
[20:03] <Amaranth> ouch
[20:04] <Seeker`> Amaranth: You wont be getting up for the CC meeting?
[20:04] <Myrtti> this blows
[20:04] <Myrtti> not that I'd attend the meeting anyway
[20:05] <Myrtti> but 19 hours in advance?
[20:05] <Myrtti> damn
[20:28] <ompaul> Seeker`, you get a point for that topic
[20:28] <ompaul> hope you can make it to the meeting for it
[20:29] <Seeker`> ompaul: I should be able to - no lectures till 2
[20:29] <Seeker`> It depends on whether I wake up on time :)
[20:31] <Seeker`> ompaul: you going to be there?
[20:32] <ompaul> Seeker`, if I am alive enough
[20:32] <ompaul> I should make it
[20:32] <Seeker`> I'm sure you know enough about the topic to talk about it if i'm not there :)
[20:32] <ompaul> Seeker`, the other thing is that people should put on their applications for membership what their local free time is
[20:33] <Seeker`> hmm
[20:33] <ompaul> one thing being transcontinental but another to expect everyone else to be
[20:33] <ompaul> TZs do count
[20:33] <Seeker`> ompaul: but some poeple dont necessarily keep to their local timezone
[20:34] <ompaul> Seeker`, and that can be worked in, people generally keep to some schedule
[20:35] <Seeker`> However, if there were adequate notice, people could mark the agenda to say whether they can attend or not
[20:36] <ompaul> yeap
[20:47] <Mez> ompauil: http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/124
[20:48] <Mez> ompaul, *
[20:49] <ompaul> thanks
[20:49] <ompaul> !server
[20:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[20:49] <ompaul> !search network
[20:49] <ubotu> Found: mldonkey, network manager, umode, scp, hacker, samba, network, freenode, hostname, network-manager
[20:49] <ompaul> !network
[20:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <Mez> gah, fecking wordpress deleteing my spaces
[20:51] <ompaul> !server-network is <reply> if you want to set up networking on a ubuntu server this should help http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/124
[20:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul
[20:51] <ompaul> Pici, ^^ care to alias that some smarter ways ;-)
[20:51] <ompaul> I have to head off
[20:51] <ompaul> catch you all later
[22:14] <elkbuntu> popey, people going up for membership are only eligible if they can drop whatever they're doing and rearrange their life at 19hrs notice? puhleaze
[22:52] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: I got membership without going to the meeting, don't see why other people can't :)
[22:54] <nickrud> 4 am?
[22:56] <Seeker`> Amaranth: I thought you were meant to be there
[22:57] <Amaranth> Seeker`: Yeah, you really are
[22:57] <Amaranth> I think I'm the only one to get it without showing up
[22:57] <Amaranth> Really funny, I was there for every meeting for like 6 months before that one and every meeting for a couple months after but I missed _that_ one
[23:02] <Mez> Amaranth, it was amusing, but you had a great cheerleading crows
[23:02] <Mez> crowd*
[23:08] <PriceChild> Hmm I should probably get up earlyish tomorrow then..
[23:08] <Seeker`> PriceChild: The meeting is getting close to my bedtime
[23:10] <Mez> when is it tomorrow?
[23:10] <PriceChild> Mez: midday
[23:10] <Mez> PriceChild, our time? sweet - will drop in at work
[23:10] <Mez> just after the mad bug rush
[23:20] <ubotu> hwilde called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[23:21] <LjL> don't have time to deal with the guy
[23:21] <mneptok> i did
[23:27] <nickrud> looks like the trolls are doing their beta testing
[23:27] <mneptok> yeah. "yay." :/