 valorie ping
[02:48] <valorie> @marcinsagol, what's up?
[05:50] <blaze> yofel clivejo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/1584288
[08:52] <snele> guys no news on kubuntu.org about plasma 5.6.4 update
[09:09] <Odur> Nice job with plasma 5.6.4! Upgrade went without any problems
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:39] <clivejo> how do I go about getting libdrumstick updated - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrumstick ?
[10:41] <clivejo> I need 'drumstick-alsa>=1.0.1' to get this minuet to build
[10:53] <acheron88> Rohan Garg has asked for it to be updated in debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824771
[11:03] <clivejo> acheron88: do you know how to link a debian and LP one?
[11:04] <clivejo> Just opened a bug in LP
[11:04] <clivejo> 1584310
[11:04] <clivejo> LP Bug 1584310
[11:06] <clivejo> ah, think I worked it out
[11:06] <clivejo> shadeslayer: are you working on Apps 16.04.1 too?
[11:08] <clivejo> looks like someone was or intended to work on it - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/libdrumstick.git
[11:36] <blaze> clivejo: have you seen my bug report?
 Blaze: what bug report?
[11:39] <blaze> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/1584288
[12:04] <user250> hello room
 I can't help there. PIM confuses the hell outta me
[12:18] <acheron88> think PIM has dbgsym .ddeb files now instead?
[12:18] <user250> sofar so good, running konsole -v Qt: 5.5.1 KDE Frameworks: 5.22.0 Konsole: 15.12.3
[12:19] <user250> and plasmashell -v plasmashell 5.6.4
 Acheron88 yes they being migrated over to ddeb
 I forgot about that
[14:34] <acheron88> clivejo: I fixed that recent document shortcut problem for me anyway https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363337#c1
[14:35] <acheron88> have no clue if making that change will break anything else the kio maintainers intended though.....
 Do you have the patch?
[14:55] <acheron88> nope. I just hacked a file after downloading the source and rebuilt the debs locally. just commented out the lines added by that partial diff from that commit
[14:57] <acheron88> I'm not certain doing that won't break something else, as the kde maintainer obviously wrote those lines for a reason
[14:58] <acheron88> I would imagine they will have a much better way to fix it
[15:29] <clivejo> acheron88: anyone from KDE commented on it?
[15:31] <acheron88> not yet. may email the people who made those commits on Monday, if it stays quiet on it over the weekend
[16:05] <yotux> I was trying to make a package for the latest gnucash and was using auto-apt to resolve deps is there a better way to do this?
[16:17] <huihuh> Hi, I just figured out why the "Send file via KDE Connect" in Dolphin is not working in Kubuntu 16.04 (tldr: it's a small typo in "kdeconnectsendfile.desktop"). Is there any way to report this to the maintainers without creating a new account on a bugtracker or joining a mailing list?
[16:26] <clivejo> huihuh: whats the file path and what is the typo?
[16:29] <huihuh> long story short: in old versions a part of KDE Connect was called "kdeconnectfiletiemaction.so" which contains a typo. This file was renamed recently into the correct version, but somebody forgot to change the reference to it in this file is /usr/share/kservices5/kdeconnectsendfile.desktop In this desktop file there is the line X-KDE-Library=kdeco
[16:29] <huihuh> nnectfiletiemaction which should be changed to X-KDE-Library=kdeconnectfileitemaction
[16:30] <huihuh> so replacing the "ti" with "it" in this file fixes the problem for me
[16:34] <clivejo> ah, yes I remember that typo in the install files
[16:38] <yotux> what is the link about?
[16:38] <clivejo> link?
[16:39] <yotux> still failing .....
[16:39] <clivejo> oh thats KCI
[16:39] <yotux> okay and what does KCI do?
[16:39] <clivejo> Kubuntu Continuous Integration
[16:40] <clivejo> it grabs the lastest software from KDE git repo and packages it in LaunchPad(LP)
[16:42] <yotux> okay I was reading about it
[16:42] <clivejo> but we are a bit behind at the moment and also moving our packaging to LP
[16:42] <yotux> so when it sends a still failing flag that means that a dev needs to fix the package?
[16:43] <clivejo> yotux: in theory yes
[16:43] <clivejo> kdepim is a beast to package
[16:44] <clivejo> not helped by it being split out into seperate packages
[16:44] <yotux> sorry for all the questions try to learn and find a way to help. google is great but sometimes leaves me say okay I still don't understand
[16:44] <clivejo> yotux: not a problem, if I can answer, I will :)
[16:45] <yotux> is there a tool to resolve deps from a source tar ball?
[16:45] <clivejo> just a quick look at breeze looks like they added two new files#
[16:46] <clivejo> yotux: I believe there is
[16:46] <clivejo> but I tend to just read the CMake files
[16:47] <clivejo> or even just build it in a pbuild environment
[16:47] <clivejo> note down what it complains about
[16:48] <yotux> from what I read one needs to run ./confgiure first them goto pbuild
[16:49] <clivejo> I find it easier to just package it up and throw it at pbuild
[16:51] <yotux> link: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[16:51] <yotux> so you goto step 6.2 directly?
[16:52] <clivejo> most software is already packaged
[16:53] <acheron88> that section is for software without already packaged versions in debian or ubuntu
[16:53] <clivejo> !info gnucash xenial
[16:53] <clivejo> we have version 2.6.12 in the archive
[16:54] <clivejo> so I tend to go grab that packaging and update it
[16:54] <huihuh> æclivejo
[16:54] <huihuh> @clivejo: what would be the best way to report the problem about kde connect i mentioned above?
[16:54] <clivejo> huihuh: probably the mailing list
[16:55] <huihuh> ok, will try it there, thx!
[16:55] <acheron88> yotux: ditto as clivejo says when I'm making a few 'modifications' to a package for my own use
[16:56] <clivejo> huihuh: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdeconnect
[16:58] <clivejo> huihuh: we could correct it in packaging for 16.04LTS, so if you have LP could you open a bug please?
[16:58] <yotux> acheron88: I see that the package in the repo is older than what is released so I was trying to package and have it updated into the repos
[16:59] <huihuh> @clivejo which package? there is kdeconnect and kdeconnect-plasma which seem to do the same thing? I guess that kdeconnect-plasma is supposed to replace kdeconnect?
[16:59] <clivejo> kdeconnect is KDE4 and kdeconnect-plasma is Plasma5
[17:00] <huihuh> ok, then I will add a bug report to kdeconnect-plasma later tonight, thx for the help
[17:00] <clivejo> I don’t know why they are linked, that was a decision someone else made
[17:01] <clivejo> huihuh: have you a LP account?
[17:02] <huihuh> @clivejo no yet, but since I plan to participate a bit more in kde/kubuntu in the future I will make an account later. first I have to do some shopping and cooking and all that kind of stuff ;)
[17:04] <clivejo> can you sub me to that bug when you do?
[17:04] <huihuh> will do!
[17:07] <acheron88> yotux: the version number listed for gnucash 1:2.6.12-1 indicates it's an unmodified sync from the Debian version
[17:07] <yotux> okay
[17:07] <acheron88> so to update in ubuntu would need any new version from debian into the ubuntu repos
[17:08] <acheron88> or debian updated and then to ubuntu
[17:08] <acheron88> I think?
[17:09] <yotux> so just so I understand 1: means debain, and the -1 is ubuntu
[17:10] <mitya57> 1: means epoch, -1 is Debian revision
[17:10] <acheron88> the 1: is an epoch, used in both debian and ubuntu
[17:11] <acheron88> -1 is debian version
[17:11] <yotux> okay
[17:11] <acheron88> then ubuntu appends ubuntu and a number after if the modify what debain did
[17:12] <acheron88> *debian
[17:14] <clivejo> yotux: you should check to see if debian have the latest version packaged
[17:14] <acheron88> clivejo: the plasma kicker/kickoff dev has cc'd that bug I reported to the author of that commit
[17:15] <acheron88> so I hope they can give a fix that can go into FW 5.22 or plasma
[17:15] <clivejo> hopefully they publish a fix and we can patch it
[17:17] <acheron88> latest gnucash in debian https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnucash
[19:10] <clivejo> anyone on Yakkety with a throw away box?
[19:26] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I am.
[19:27] <clivejo> would you mind trying a test install of apps?
[19:28] <DarinMiller> np. Box currently has no PPA's. Just test apps?
[19:28] <clivejo> yes please
[19:28] <clivejo> just testing installablity
[19:29] <soee> clivejo: but there are 3 packages that failed to build
[19:30] <clivejo> I know
[19:30] <clivejo> just want to see it PIM installs
[19:31] <soee> this huge hoge ? :)
[19:31] <soee> *hog
[19:36] <DarinMiller> installing now 300+ packages....
[20:13] <darin> clivejo: https://paste.kde.org/pket1gryh
[20:27] <DarinMiller> clivejo: none of the app install errors seemed related to the build fails.  Were error something you were anticipating?
 Does kontact load?
[20:50] <clivejo> DarinMiller: those errors are probably due to copied FW we needed to make it build
[20:58] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Totally killed the install.  Want me to re-install and add fm staging?
[21:00] <clivejo> no no its fine
[21:00] <clivejo> did kontact run?
[21:02] <DarinMiller> Many apps disappeared after the install error, I did not try to run kontact.  Reboot produced black screen where I can only log in via ctrl-alt-f1
 disappeared?
[21:04] <DarinMiller> Yes, stuff like kinfocenter was gone and several other items that were in the system menu, I did not poke around much before I tried the reboot.
[21:04] <DarinMiller> I can ppa-purge, re-install apps-stagin, and see if kontact is there and runs.
[21:05] <DarinMiller> wait, running sudo apt-get -f install now... lots of packages were left hanging....
[21:24] <DarinMiller> had to manually connect to my network via command line.  but finishing the apps-staging install did not recover the system.... gwenview and specticle had unmet depends.... reinstalling YY.
[21:29] <valorie> sounds pretty bad, DarinMiller
[21:32] <DarinMiller> valorie:  it was expected, clivejo wanted me to test a sketchy YY apps-staging on a throwaway box and it went down in flames.  YY re-install already complete....
[21:34] <clivejo> DarinMiller: any apt errors?
[21:35] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Just what I posted earlier: https://paste.kde.org/pket1gryh
[21:36] <clivejo> nothing regarding apps there though
[21:36] <clivejo> qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin_5.21.0 is frameworks
[21:37] <DarinMiller> maybe I should have added the fm staging ppa?
[21:38] <DarinMiller> I can try again.  In that session, I think I was still on 5.5.5 as I did not have any PPAs installed.
[21:45] <clivejo> few install problems
[21:49] <clivejo> well most of the apps I use are working
[21:49] <clivejo> konsole, dolphin, kontact
[21:51] <DarinMiller> installing updates landing now... had to sudo apt-get -f upgrade to make it work around the same 5.21.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2 issue as before....
[21:58] <clivejo> did you do a dist upgrade
[21:59] <clivejo> FW5.22 and Plasma5.6.4 should be in the archive
[21:59] <clivejo> well most of them
[22:13] <valorie> dist-upgrade?
[22:13] <valorie> isn't full-upgrade always advised these days?
[22:14] <clivejo> dunno
[22:15] <clivejo> I use dist cause it is bit more intelligent and gives me better errors
[22:18] <DarinMiller> Hmmm YY box does not like updates landing PPA either.  Black screen on reboot, sddm/x fails to start.  Jumping out a prompt works but not sure what to check from there...
[22:19] <clivejo> I think something else is wrong on your install
[22:19] <clivejo> apps shouldn’t interfere with sddm etc
[22:24] <DarinMiller> Understood.  Fresh install with formatted root directory.  YY PPA updates have worked fine up until today.   Maybe need to format the home partition, but I don't see how that would cause issue with X or SDDM either.
[22:25] <clivejo> KDE know about the KDE connect problem
[22:25] <DarinMiller> I will re-install and format both root and home.
[22:25] <clivejo> that should be patched in 16.04
[22:26] <DarinMiller> My KDE connect notifications are working fine on 16.04, checking file browsing now....
[22:26] <clivejo> its the dolphin intregation
[22:26] <DarinMiller> File browsing works fine too.
[22:26] <DarinMiller> in Dolphin
[22:26] <clivejo> when you menu over a file in dolphin there is supposed to be a menu entry to send to you device
[22:27] <DarinMiller> File copy worked fine.
[22:27] <clivejo> its missing due to a type
[22:27] <clivejo> typo
[22:27] <huihuh> I am submitting the bugreport for this at the moment ^^
[22:27] <clivejo> huihuh: its already reported on kde
[22:28] <clivejo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362684
[22:28] <clivejo> but if you could open one on LP, so I can try and get it patched
[22:28] <clivejo> if you can open the bug here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma
[22:30] <huihuh> On it!
[22:31] <valorie> easiest way to file a bug is in the cli: `ubuntu-bug kdeconnect`
[22:31] <valorie> super slick
[22:31]  * valorie goes off to do some prep for dad's memorial service
[22:31] <DarinMiller> Oh, I saw that error earlier today and edited kdeconnectsendfile.desktop.  That's why mine working fine.
[22:31] <clivejo> dont file against kdeconnect thought
[22:31] <clivejo> LOL
[22:31]  * clivejo throws stuff at DarinMiller
[22:31] <DarinMiller> LOL
[22:32] <clivejo> needs to go against kdeconnect-plasma
[22:32] <clivejo> I think kdeconnect isnt maintained any more
[22:38] <huihuh> When you install kdeconnect-plasma it also tells you to install kdeconnect. This is super confusing and it took me a few minutes to realize that kdeconnect is most likely the version for KDE4
[22:38] <clivejo> agreed
[22:38] <clivejo> I dont know why that is
[22:38] <clivejo> it confused me for a long time too
[22:39] <huihuh> How does stuff like this work? Who decides to dis-entangle them? I am completely new to all of this...
[22:39] <clivejo> usually debian
[22:40] <huihuh> What would be the proper procedure for something like this? Write a suggestion to some debian mailing list?
[22:41] <clivejo> mmm Im actually asking in the Debian channel
[22:41] <clivejo> probably wont get an answer today
[22:41] <huihuh> ah, ok
[22:42] <clivejo> #debian-qt-kde
[22:42] <huihuh> btw, I created the bug report on launchpad and added you
[22:42] <clivejo> but its on OTFC network
[22:42] <clivejo> so I see
[22:44] <huihuh> If you don't mind some additional stupid questions: what is more likely to happen in such a case: waiting that a new version is released upstream which fixes the bug or somebody "here" decides that this bug is too serious and it should be fixed sooner?
[22:45] <clivejo> well the upstream version can only go into yakkety
[22:45] <clivejo> a patch will have to be created for Xenial
[22:45] <clivejo> called a SRU
[22:46] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:46] <clivejo> quite a long process!
[22:51] <clivejo> could a few other testers please log your confirmation of this bug
[22:53] <huihuh> Thx for the link, as a normal user I never really thought about what's going on behind the scenes
[22:54] <clivejo> well done on spotting it
[22:55] <clivejo> I use KDE connect a lot and I never noticed that!
[22:57] <huihuh> I use that function all the time because my phone has only 8 gb of storage. Therefore I was pretty annoyed when it stopped working. I could easily deal with all the plasma crashes from half a year ago, but not being able to copy pictures of fluffy cats to my phone... -.-
[22:59] <clivejo> that would make one very angry indeed
[23:12] <clivejo> huihuh: it affects Debian too
[23:12] <clivejo> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824970
[23:14] <clivejo> so by reporting it you are helping two distributions get it fixed!
[23:16] <DarinMiller> OK.  YY reinstalled all normal updates complete, reboot work fine.  Which if any PPA's do you want me to test.
[23:16] <DarinMiller> ?
[23:16] <clivejo> just the apps one
[23:16] <DarinMiller> OK, here we go again... :)
[23:17] <clivejo> there are four issues on mine
[23:17] <clivejo> which Im trying to fix
[23:18] <clivejo> libkf5kipi31.0.0, kf5-messagelib-data, libkf5mailcommon-plugins, libkf5sane5
[23:20] <clivejo> libinsane more like
[23:21] <DarinMiller> LOL
[23:21] <clivejo> too tired to do this, Im off to bed
[23:21] <DarinMiller> OK, I will report back tomorrow.
[23:21] <clivejo> Ill wait about for a while
[23:21] <clivejo> can chat via Telegram
[23:22] <DarinMiller> 26% complete ...... 31%.....
[23:22] <DarinMiller> 50%....
[23:23] <DarinMiller> Oh, no errors this time....
[23:25] <DarinMiller> It uninstalled my entire plasma desktop !!!!
[23:25] <clivejo> :/
[23:26] <DarinMiller> I have not rebooted yet either....
[23:26] <clivejo> maybe some packages are still stuck in proposed or something
[23:26] <DarinMiller> but I can get it back by sudo apt install plasma-workspace (or so the message says....)
[23:27] <DarinMiller> plasma workspace depends on kactivities but it is not going to be installed.
[23:27] <clivejo> thats an old version
[23:27] <DarinMiller> I have held and broken packages....
[23:27] <clivejo> you must have a mix of old and new packages
[23:29] <DarinMiller> I used the zsynced ISO for today's download, performed a full update, rebooted then added the apps staging repo and ran sudo apt full-upgrade -y
[23:29] <DarinMiller> Not sure where the new/old mix would have come from ....
[23:29] <DarinMiller> I can try on a different box, but I expect the same results.
[23:30] <clivejo> the archive
[23:30] <clivejo> Scarlett uploaded plasma 5.6.4
[23:30] <clivejo> but parts of it will be stuck
[23:31] <clivejo> you could try adding FW staging, upgrading, disabling, then add plasma staging, upgrading, disable and finally apps
[23:31] <DarinMiller> 5.6.4 was uploaded to where?  Main ISO?
[23:32] <clivejo> archive
[23:32] <DarinMiller> OK trying FW.... while i sitll have a working console.
[23:32] <DarinMiller> I don't understand archive. Is that the main repo?
[23:33] <clivejo> yes
[23:33] <clivejo> yeah, its stuck in proposed
[23:33] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace
[23:34] <clivejo> !info plasma-workspace
[23:34] <clivejo> version in proposed is 4:5.6.4-0ubuntu1
[23:40] <DarinMiller> !info libkf5screen6
[23:41] <DarinMiller> !info libkf5screen7
[23:41] <DarinMiller> !info libkf5screen7 xenial
[23:48] <DarinMiller> I had to add  app, fm and plasma staging PPA's in order to re-install plasma-workspace.....
 Plasma 5.6.4 uses libkf5screen7
[23:52] <DarinMiller> BTW, I was able to run kontact from the terminal.  My kicker menu is messed up as I am missing a qml module
[23:53] <DarinMiller> !info libkf5screen7 yachety
 Its not in yakkety yet
[23:53] <DarinMiller> OK.
 Getting stuff into archive is slow and painful
[23:59] <DarinMiller> Yes.  I want to be able to help with that but my work schedule keeps getting in the way.  At the end of the day when I am off work, the dev team is heading off to bed.


[07:47] <lazyPower_> http://www.thedarksideof.io/
[07:47] <lazyPower_> interesting
[07:47] <lazyPower_> #TIL
[09:44] <rmg51> Morning
[09:57] <lazyPower> Mornin rmg51 o/
[10:01] <rmg51> 0/
[10:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:58] <lazyPower> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/expediting-local-isolation-with-docker-and-juju/
[11:58] <lazyPower> woo, landed a post on insights
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples and whatever else is around