[07:30] <Riddell> new builds today to test!
[07:31] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds
[07:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I still haven't seen an e-mail from you, only afiestas
[07:37] <afiestas> oh that remembers to me that I got a bug to report
[07:37] <afiestas> Riddell: can you point me to the exact page toreport bugs for kontact/kdepim ?
[07:38] <afiestas> yesterday I look for it for 20min :s
[07:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh wait, if I bother to look for it I do find your e-mail
[07:38] <Riddell> afiestas: upstream it's bugs.kde.org downstream bugs to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim and click "report bug"
[07:39] <afiestas> it is really confusing that I can't get to that page from: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[07:40] <Riddell> you can click on a link on that page for "Ubuntu" then click on "Report a bug"
[07:40] <Riddell> but yes it's not as easy as it should be, report a bug :)
[07:40] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[07:40] <Riddell> launchpad are without designers just now though so I don't see it getting fixed
[07:45]  * afiestas is trying to reproduce the bug
[07:45]  * afiestas did reproduce the bug
[07:45] <Riddell> blame upstream!
[07:46] <afiestas> not sure it is upstream bug
[07:46] <afiestas> haven't seen this one on my self compiled kde
[07:48] <afiestas> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/28/plasma-windowedT19331.png
[07:48] <afiestas> those notifications are the welcome comite when you poen kontact for the first time xD
[07:50] <afiestas> first. folder .local/share/contacts does not exists and the folder contacts is not created
[07:51] <afiestas> we should include that in the skel? (in the case that a skel is still used?)
[07:51] <georgelappies> hi all, I am getting frequent crashes to a black or red screen where I have to hold the power button in to reboot the laptop on 12.04 is this a known issue for now? This didn't happen at all with 11.10
[08:00] <Riddell> not known to me
[08:00] <Riddell> sounds like a linux/X issue
[08:10] <starbuck> are you talking about the maildir error here: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/28/plasma-windowedT19331.png ?
[08:10] <afiestas> starbuck: I'm talking about all warnings but the first one which is not kdepim related
[08:11] <starbuck> ah okay
[08:11] <afiestas> first one I have debug is the one with "Personal Contacts:" as a title
[08:12] <afiestas> The two with "KMail" as a tittle seem to me like a bug in the email_resource, I have been having those warnings playing with WebAccounts
[08:12] <afiestas> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/966913
[08:13] <afiestas> not sure where the folder should be created
[08:18] <Riddell> afiestas: thanks tagged
[08:19] <afiestas> the ones with KMail in the tittle seem fixed in master
[08:19] <afiestas> Riddell: we will be able to ship with 4.8.2 ? or should I ask for a backport?
[08:20] <Riddell> afiestas: I expect to do 4.8.2 yes
[08:20] <Riddell> should be a job for tomorrow that with any luck
[08:21] <afiestas> oks
[08:21] <afiestas> I will ask kdepim just in case the patch didn't made it to 4.8.2
[08:21] <afiestas> (a few days ago I had this same warning in master)
[08:21]  * afiestas is now trying to hunt the last warning
[08:28] <afiestas> the Local Folders thing is the same bug, .local/share/local-mail must be created
[09:12] <Riddell> anyone get bug 966948 ?
[10:04] <afiestas> Riddell:  works great for me, do you have any extra plasmoid?
[10:07] <Riddell> afiestas: nope
[10:07] <Riddell> but I must have something in my set up that causes it
[10:08] <Riddell> needs time to track down though!
[10:08]  * Riddell goes back to iso testing
[10:11] <afiestas> Riddell:  can you send me (or attach in the bug) your plasma config?
[10:11] <afiestas> I can try to reproduce the bug
[10:11] <afiestas> be careful though it may contain private data such plasmoisd wtih text and that kind of stuff
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: why surely I must be in your spam filter :)
[11:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: btw, your battery is broken :P
[11:51] <afiestas> apachelogger: that's why I have 2 of them, one for traveling and the broken one for daily use
[11:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:53] <apachelogger> if you had two working ones you could travel while daily using it :P
[11:53] <apachelogger> which reminds me that the one of me netbook is also rather kaput
[11:56] <apol> isn't there qt-recordMyDesktop for kubuntu? :P
[11:56]  * apol always uses it in arch...
[11:56] <apol> had to use the gtk- version
[12:04] <apachelogger> apol: use ffmpeg :P
[12:05]  * apachelogger once looked at the qt-recordmydesktop code and deemed it not worth the effort to package
[12:05] <apachelogger> packaging the python was quite the hassle back then ^^
[12:06] <apol> 8-)
[12:07] <shadeslayer> \o
[12:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: what is funny about that akonadi bug is that it is the 300's incarnation of forgot-to-create-dir in Qt ^^
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: So I managed to get Kubuntu on the Tablet, but plasma active just won't start
[12:10] <apachelogger> it is a case of plasma
[12:10] <shadeslayer> it crashes after showing the splash screen ( The spinny thing )
[12:10] <apachelogger> well
[12:10] <apachelogger> read the backtrace :P
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Does active do software rendering
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Don't have one
[12:10] <shadeslayer> just startactive logs
[12:11] <apachelogger> so make one?
[12:11] <apachelogger> and try --help
[12:11] <shadeslayer> primarily, the problem seems to be that plasma active doesn't do software rendering
[12:11] <apachelogger> I do remember there being an option for GL, however that was not default
[12:11] <apachelogger> or maybe that was mobile
[12:11] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:11] <apachelogger> -> office
[12:11] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:11] <apol> if it's crashing, then it works fine :D
[12:13] <afiestas> btw, is anyone trying to package ktp 0.4 ?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> afiestas: I'll look into it
[12:19] <shadeslayer> afiestas: release is like a month away though
[12:19] <shadeslayer> feature freeze is this weekend
[12:19]  * shadeslayer needs to fix the chat plasmoid this weekend to get it into the release
[12:32] <afiestas> shadeslayer: would be awesome to have it for doing testing
[12:32] <afiestas> in my dev environment I'm always with the doubt if stuff is nto working beacuse of my setup
[12:49] <shadeslayer> afiestas: I'll probably package it after 10th
[12:49] <shadeslayer> did I mention PA is broken on x86 as well
[12:49] <shadeslayer> so clearly something is wrong with the packages
[12:50] <shadeslayer> or maybe I haven't installed something ( Kind of difficult see'ing how I have full KDE install and everything that Plasma Active pulls in )
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.klauncher
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.klauncher precise
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:08] <Peace-> mmm after the last upgrade i have an issue with file associtaitons
[13:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: we'd put 0.4 into a PPA mosdef
[13:09] <Peace-> open with has an empty list
[13:10] <Peace-> i have solved with one trick   btw
[13:12] <Peace->  cp /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[13:12] <Peace-> the error was
[13:12] <Peace-> kbuildsycoca4(8327): "applications.menu"  not found in  ("/home/peace/.config/menus/", "/etc/xdg/menus/")
[13:13] <apol> do you guys have the qt desktop components packaged somewhere?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/447938 le active log that I get on x86
[13:14] <Riddell> apol: QML widget?  no I'm pretty sure we don't package that, it has never been released
[13:15] <apol> yep
[13:15] <apol> ok
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wher eis the bt?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> don't have one .. that's all I have
[13:16] <shadeslayer> I'll look into a bt in a minute
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well what good is that if you have a crash? :P
[13:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't have a crash
[13:17] <shadeslayer> or atleast I think I don't have a crash
[13:18] <apachelogger> well, what do you get?
[13:18] <apachelogger> a black screen?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:18] <apachelogger> add krunner and/or konsole to autostart then
[13:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eh? this is what I do : Start normal KDE -> kquitapp plasma-desktop -> startactive from a terminal
[13:19] <apachelogger> wtf?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> not that it runs from a tty either
[13:20] <apachelogger> startactive is like startkde it seems from that output
[13:20] <apachelogger> so you'll need to log into an active session
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:20] <shadeslayer> lemme do that
[13:20] <apachelogger> where the session is started by startactive rathe rhtan startkde
[13:21] <apachelogger> !find startactive
[13:22] <apachelogger> !find startactive precise
[13:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe it is isn't like startkde after all
[13:23] <apachelogger> I totally don't get this thing
[13:23] <apachelogger> best talk to rbelem
[13:25] <tsdgeos> Riddell: in case you didn't see 4.8.1 was released
[13:28] <BluesKaj> what's google.com got to do with the 12.04 repos ..i see the update is stalled there waiting for headers ...updating chromium?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> guess not , it finished , finally
[13:32] <Riddell> tsdgeos: context needed, version number clash!  qt or kde sc ?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Riddell: qt
[13:33] <Riddell> tsdgeos: lovely
[13:33] <Riddell> tsdgeos: where would I see that other than hoping to find out on IRC?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Riddell: twitter told me :D
[13:33] <tsdgeos> http://blog.qt.nokia.com/ would tell you too
[13:34] <Riddell> hmm, neither are ideal forms for me
[13:34] <Riddell> tsdgeos: who's the qt release manager do you know?  anyone who can be convinced to post to kde-packagers?
[13:34] <Riddell> fregl? ^^
[13:34]  * tsdgeos knows nothing
[13:36] <fregl> Riddell: ah, it's been released? nice... I've been swamped in other stuff, didn't even notice.
[13:39] <Riddell> fregl: i think you have just proven my point :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upstream says it's indexing my entire home folder
[13:42] <shadeslayer> so I've set nepomuk to index just a empty folder
[13:42] <shadeslayer> retrying now ... and seems that the indexer blocks the GUI thread somehow
[13:42] <apachelogger> <-- lols
[13:45] <fregl> Riddell: lol
[13:47] <fregl> Riddell: qt blog is very official, but it should have been on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well...
[13:48] <fregl> ah, it's not even labs :s
[13:48] <Riddell> fregl: but it's not very useful for me, I don't subscribe to blogs and I don't want to subscribe to a busy mailing list
[13:48] <Riddell> I need a low traffic announce mailing list
[13:48] <Riddell> and I'm sure there will be other people in my position
[13:48] <fregl> Riddell: I thought we had an announce list...
[13:49] <fregl> Riddell: http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
[13:49] <fregl> and it wasn't on there. ok, I'll try to look into it
[13:50] <Riddell> the collective memory about this list must be lost :)
[13:50] <fregl> it's new since it moved to new infrastructure...
[13:50] <fregl> *sigh*
[13:50] <Riddell> mm, so the announce list needs an announcement
[13:50] <fregl> yeah
[13:51] <Riddell> ok I'll announce it to kde-packagers if you announce it to the qt release managers, deal?
[13:51] <fregl> I'm already writing a mail...
[13:52] <Riddell> lovely
[13:52] <fregl> Riddell: thanks for pointing it out :) I guess qt-project needs to learn to walk on its own ;)
[15:09] <Riddell> yofel, apachelogger: could kubotu get a command where we go "new relase of qt 4.8.1" and it file a needs-packaging bug for that?
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, though that requires emailing
[15:12]  * apachelogger never ever emailed in rubyrubyruby
[15:12] <yofel> can you run a python script from ruby? Then one could probably do that with launchpadlib
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: or API usage
[15:14] <yofel> Riddell: although, then we could just stuff the script in kubuntu-dev-tools
[15:15] <apachelogger> yofel: why api when we only need to send a mail?
[15:15] <yofel> don't you still need to sign the mail?
[15:15] <apachelogger> dunno
[15:16] <yofel> iirc any mail API usage requires gpg signed mails
[15:16] <apachelogger> at any rate, what might be worthwhile would also be mailing to kubuntu-devel
[15:16] <apachelogger> so that people actually take note of it
[15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: "just" send a mail is harder than running a script
[15:17] <apachelogger> yofel: gpg signing is still no problme though ^^
[15:17] <Riddell> for example I have no idea how to send a mail to launchpad
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, I mean have kubotu send the mail
[15:17] <Riddell> kubotu: do you know how to send a mail to launchpad?
[15:18] <kubotu> not yet
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  and if we did know , would anyone see it and take action ? :)
[15:18] <yofel> Riddell: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[15:18]  * apachelogger once did a mass bug filing using email
[15:18] <apachelogger> went very smooth
[15:18] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes I often find myself asking "what needs packaged" and others ask too
[15:18] <Riddell> yofel: I don't care :)
[15:19] <Riddell> e-mail is not a good interace for applications
[15:19] <Riddell> it's why I dislike bugs.debian.org
[15:19] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:19] <yofel> well, debian BTS is weird indeed, still nice to have though
[15:19] <apachelogger> who gives a crap what runs underneith a kubotu command? :P
[15:20] <Riddell> so long as you maintain it, nobody :)
[15:20] <Riddell> but having a simple script to do it would be an added advantage
[15:20] <yofel> apachelogger: what I was thinking about 2 days ago, was tracking packaging todo with tagged bugs as the motu's do. I.e. needs-packaging and upgrade-software-version
[15:21] <apachelogger> upgrade-software-version?
[15:22] <apachelogger> launchpad can track needs-packaging easily :P
[15:22] <yofel> that's for new versions of existing software, needs-packaging is only for unpackaged things
[15:22] <apachelogger> get * where tag needs-packaging AND kubuntu
[15:22] <apachelogger> yofel: why not use the same tag? :P
[15:23] <yofel> apachelogger: ask the ubuntu folks? I didn't think of that
[15:23] <apachelogger> well
[15:23] <yofel> or we could just invent k-package or something like that
[15:23] <apachelogger> it doesn't mean we need to use their scheme :P
[15:24] <yofel> well, it was a suggestion. If it's too much of a hassle don't do it
[15:24] <apachelogger> well, it still can be done in launchpad
[15:25] <yofel> if we're doing it scripted it's no problem, but kubuntu + needs-packaging and kubuntu + upgrade-software-version would need 2 links for the UI listing
[15:25] <apachelogger> one ag
[15:25] <apachelogger> tag
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: can't you search for multiple tags?
[15:25] <apachelogger> screw that upgrade-software-version
[15:25] <apachelogger> no one is going to write that ^^
[15:25] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.
[15:25] <apachelogger> structural_subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=needs-packaging+kubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ALL&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.
[15:25] <apachelogger> has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[15:25] <apachelogger> <3 lunchpad urls
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: oh I see that's an AND with OR query
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: not in an either or manner
[15:26] <yofel> right
[15:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: goo.gl!
[15:26] <apachelogger> well
[15:26] <apachelogger> not my fault that they need to put default values into the url
[15:26] <apachelogger> :P
[15:26] <apachelogger> also quassel could do that for me ^^
[15:26]  * yofel wonders if there's a bug about *that*
[15:26] <yofel> launchpad I mean
[15:26] <Riddell> that was one of sabdfl's complaints about bugzilla back in the day
[15:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: the long urls?
[15:27] <Riddell> yes
[15:27] <yofel> If you want me to write a bug filing script I can do that, but not before Friday
[15:28] <Riddell> yofel: I'd like that
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: good thing he fixed that with lunchpad ;)
[15:29]  * yofel adds to his other bazillion things on the todo list
[15:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does ur stuff start yet
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: is bug 966450 a theme issue?
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: could be
[16:01] <apachelogger> that is if the theme does not implment the functions called by plymouth for password prompts it will obviously not display anything
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm will your shiny new theme implement them?
[16:05] <apachelogger> it has almost exactly the same code as before
[16:05] <apachelogger> except now it has a sprite with an image
[16:05] <apachelogger> in addition to everything else
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... kinda
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can run plasma-device and get it to start
[16:34] <shadeslayer> on x86
[16:34] <shadeslayer> upgrading tablet to precise and will test there tonight
[16:34] <shadeslayer> startactive is completely foobared though
[16:34] <shadeslayer> needs investigation, upstream says it won't launch plasma-device until it finds all the components
[16:34] <apol> I'm getting this error message... can somebody tell me what it means please?
[16:34] <apol> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/98690210/upload_3590870_log.txt
[16:35] <shadeslayer> and for some reason, kubuntu-active doesn't pull in anything
[16:35] <shadeslayer> cyber stuff? :P
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ahh
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apol: where are you uploading it to?
[16:36] <apol> shadeslayer: yes, it's what we're using for netrunner stuff...
[16:36] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff ?
[16:37] <apol> shadeslayer: I'm not uploading... it's LP who is building it :/
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ok, give me a minute
[16:37]  * shadeslayer investigates
[16:37] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apol: did you upload 2 tarballs?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> but with different contents
[16:37] <georgelappies> what is the best workaround for the bold ubuntu font issue in 12.04 for now?
[16:39] <apol> shadeslayer: well, it should be getting the tarballs from git master
[16:39] <shadeslayer> apol: you need to bump versions between uploads, use muon_1.4.0+repack~aa1-3~1322~precise1 as the new version
[16:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:39] <shadeslayer> is this a recipe?
[16:39] <apol> I don't really understand the recipe though :D
[16:39] <apol> shadeslayer: yes
[16:39] <shadeslayer> looking
[16:39] <apol> thanks a lot :)
[16:40] <shadeslayer> np
[16:40] <yofel> apol: can you link to the actual build? and not just the log?
[16:40] <apol> yofel, shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+recipe/cyberspace-muon-daily
[16:40] <shadeslayer>  deb-version {debupstream}-3~{revno}
[16:40] <shadeslayer> that's bound to cause issues because of revno
[16:41] <shadeslayer> stupid bzr-git plugin
[16:41] <apol> hm
[16:41] <apol> shadeslayer: so I should update the recipe?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ didn't we see those in neon as well?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> no no
[16:41] <yofel> acutally
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apol: my question is now this, I see rev 1322 is already uploaded
[16:42] <yofel> what happens here is that he's triggering multiple builds for the same version
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:42] <yofel> that doesn't work
[16:42] <shadeslayer> I was coming to that
[16:42] <apol> well no
[16:42] <shadeslayer> but in general, didn't we decide we should not just rely on revno?
[16:42] <yofel> apol: why did you do that?
[16:42] <apol> I pushed some changes
[16:42] <apol> then I requested a new build
[16:42] <yofel> where?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> because revno's are unreliable
[16:42] <apol> git.kde.org
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yeah i can see those
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apol: and it built the package
[16:42] <yofel> then you forgot to tell the importer to run
[16:43] <yofel> it only runs every ~few hours
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:43] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~hrvojes/muon/trunk
[16:43] <shadeslayer> I see a bunch of his commits
[16:44] <yofel> yeah, but he triggered the build in the last half hour
[16:44] <yofel> last import was over 4h ago
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apol: did you push changes in the last 45 minutes or so?
[16:44] <yofel> he did
[16:44]  * yofel looked at git
[16:44] <shadeslayer> if you did and you want those, you'll need to run the importer as apol said
[16:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:45] <shadeslayer> s/apol/yofel
[16:45] <yofel> heh
[16:45] <yofel> apol: see on https://code.launchpad.net/~hrvojes/muon/trunk the 'import now' button? click that if you need to
[16:45] <apol> ugh
[16:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: also, revno, isn't that bound to fsck stuff up at times?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> like when you merge stuff in git
[16:46] <yofel> launchpad has limited resources. You can't expect it to import every 10 minutes
[16:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: that too
[16:46] <shadeslayer> afaik bzr git doesn't handle merges and rewrites bzr history or sth
[16:46] <apol> so what's the point of not importing automatically before running?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> so your revno gets screwed up
[16:47] <yofel> apol: file a bug against launchpad
[16:47]  * yofel wouldn't mind that feature either
[16:47] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:47] <apol> xD
[16:47] <apol> isn't it possible to do that in the recipe?
[16:48] <yofel> so far no
[16:49] <apol> ok
[16:49] <apol> thanks a lot yofel and shadeslayer :)
[16:49] <yofel> we have plenty of recipe debugging experience -.-
[16:49]  * shadeslayer points at the revno issue
[16:49] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> I'd say that bzr git is working partly because of Project Neon :P
[16:51] <yofel> +1 :D
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apol: yofel can you try and clone this : http://www.paulburton.eu/git/?p=tf101/kernel.git;a=summary
[16:53] <shadeslayer> doesn't even clone for some reason here
[16:54] <apol> shadeslayer: it's like the server is not answering...
[16:54] <apol> do you have a tf? :P
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:54] <shadeslayer> tf + ubuntu precise ( it's upgrading atm )
[16:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:54] <apol> shadeslayer: does KDE work well there?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> apol: uhh ... I couldn't get plasma active up on the last try, upgrading again
[16:54] <shadeslayer> everything is slow
[16:55] <apol> shadeslayer: what about normal KDE?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> there are graphics drivers for the tegra2 processor but no kernel
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apol: yeah that starts up
[16:55] <shadeslayer> software rendering
[16:55] <shadeslayer> but the problem with that are the touch inputs
[16:57] <apol> yes indeed
[16:57] <yofel> hm
[16:57] <apol> although... well
[16:57]  * yofel wonders if we want muon builds in neon
[16:57] <apol> there's not that much you can do with active ATM
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apol: really?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I'm going to install it in a bit
[16:57] <apol> shadeslayer: then you tell me in a while ;)
[16:58] <shadeslayer> also kubuntu-active looks broken, doesn't pull in anything :)
[16:58] <yofel> apol: aseigo wants to sell it, so it has to be a bit usable
[16:58] <apol> i've just tried it on my exopc
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apol: one thing I discovered though, active wants nepomuk and nepomuk want's to index ALL the things
[16:58] <apol> :D
[16:58] <shadeslayer> so even on my i7 it hung up
[16:58] <apol> nepomuk is not bad per se
[16:58] <apol> specially if there's no KMail around
[16:58] <shadeslayer> it's went beserk indexing my entire home dir
[16:59] <shadeslayer> blocked the UI and stuff
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apol: I'm reasonably sure that I can't do anything productive on this device until someone ports over the 3.1 kernel
[17:00] <yofel> it usually consumes all disk I/O for a while after login. After it's done with that it's usable
[17:01] <shadeslayer> and that is why the git clone link above :)
[17:01] <shadeslayer> unity was barely usable
[17:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: unity and nepomuk... huh?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: the image i installed came with unity
[17:02] <jussi> oh
[17:02] <jussi> I actually like unity
[17:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: it's actually pretty good on touch screen devices
[17:02] <jussi> polished and works well
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, I imagine it does
[17:03] <shadeslayer> altho, I just don't think I'll be able to use it everyday
[17:03]  * shadeslayer loves krunner too damn much
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: Im giving a 30 day trial on my work lappy
[17:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: how's your daughter? :D
[17:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: Elodi is doing great :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why don't you simply build a kernel for the t2?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because you can't simply build the 3.1 kernel for the tf2
[17:05] <apachelogger> why not?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because the chip isn't exactly the same as say the AC100
[17:06] <shadeslayer> or the Ventana board
[17:06] <shadeslayer> there are subtle differences
[17:06] <apachelogger> that doesn't say thing
[17:06] <apachelogger> *anything
[17:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the problem
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: It needs porting, I can't just build the generic configuration from pure linux sources
[17:06] <shadeslayer> it won't work
[17:07]  * Sput really wishes kubuntu would upgrade to flashplayer 11.2 soon, as 11.1 constantly crashes rekonq and konqueror
[17:07] <apachelogger> they do release it with android, no?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 2.36.x releases
[17:07] <shadeslayer> not 3.1 kernels
[17:07] <shadeslayer> whereas the drivers work only with the 3.1 kernels
[17:07] <apachelogger> so simply rebase the changes?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but the problem is that the ASUS released kernels don't even build!
[17:08] <apachelogger> why not?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> FTBFS
[17:08] <apachelogger> due
[17:08] <shadeslayer> lemme show you sec
[17:08] <apachelogger> dude
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[17:08] <apachelogger> your answers...
[17:08] <shadeslayer> kernel/power/suspend.c:30:52: fatal error: arch/arm/mach-tegra/include/mach/iomap.h: No such file or directory
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ stuff like that, I only started building the sources on tuesday, need more time to fix them
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I'm working on it though
[17:09] <debfx> Sput: flash 11.2 is already in the repository
[17:09] <apachelogger> http://lwn.net/Articles/383942/
[17:09] <Sput> debfx: could you point me to it please? my googlefu failed
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you shoudl rebase onto 3.1
[17:09]  * Sput can't stand chrome anymore and wants to go back to rekonq
[17:10] <shadeslayer> uh ok
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will look into that
[17:10] <apachelogger> google pushed a shitload of tegra code
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have never ever built a kernel before
[17:10] <shadeslayer> so I'm learning slowly
[17:10] <apachelogger> very easy once you got the grasp of it
[17:10] <debfx> Sput: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2012-March/012004.html
[17:10]  * shadeslayer plans to demo this next month at his Uni
[17:10] <apachelogger> that is, you really just need to grab the config from asus and their changes
[17:10] <apachelogger> then try to build with their config
[17:11] <apachelogger> most of the time that will simply work
[17:11] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:11] <shadeslayer> looking into that
[17:11] <shadeslayer> altho, looking into the kernel source code was quite fun
[17:12] <shadeslayer> it looked alot like something I did when programming a microcontroller
[17:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:14] <apachelogger> around here we prog microcontrollers in verilog, not C :P
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: after getting the kernel built it's simply a matter of packing up the initrd and zimage into a bootimg and the bootimg into a kernel blob that I can flash into a partition
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, I've dabbled in that as well :P
[17:15] <shadeslayer> VHDL as well
[17:15] <shadeslayer> VHDL was a PITA really
[17:15] <Sput> debfx: ah cool... does this mean it should already be in the repos, or should I download the packages from lp myself?
[17:15] <Sput> apt-get update didn't find it at least
[17:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: do we have an ETA on dinner?
[17:16] <apachelogger> oh, actually I should be buying coke, zomg
[17:16] <yofel> Sput: adobe-flashplugin is in partner
[17:16] <debfx> Sput: do you have flashplugin-installer or adobe-flashplugin installed?
[17:16] <yofel> !partner > Sput
[17:17] <Sput> thx :)
[17:17]  * Sput is still new to this packaging stuff
[17:17] <shadeslayer> oh sweet, they have a separate repo for tegra devices
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/tegra.git
[17:17] <debfx> yeah you should use the package from the partner repository and remove flashplugin-installer
[17:17] <shadeslayer> zomg
[17:18] <Sput> ah ok, I had the latter, will install now the former
[17:18] <Sput> and let's hope that the crashes go away and I can use rekonq again
[17:18] <Sput> thx :)
[17:18] <snele> JontheEchidna: sometimes muon update manager crashes when both, package menager and updater are running. Backtrace: http://paste.kde.org/448130/
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, git is still trying to clone that kernel repos
[17:26] <apachelogger> kernel repos are biiiit
[17:26] <apachelogger> biiig even
[17:26] <apachelogger> or bigggg
[17:26] <apachelogger> dunno
[17:26] <yofel> last time I cloned linux-stable from kernel.org it was much faster than this
[17:26] <yofel> this was before kernel.org went down though
[17:28] <yofel> weird bug of the week - bug 965622
[17:32] <apachelogger> why weird?
[17:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: the repos cloned successfully, you just don't see any output from git while it clones... for whatever reason
[17:35] <yofel> apachelogger: where would you start debugging that?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> got it
[17:36] <yofel> wtf
[17:36] <yofel> $ du -sh kernel/
[17:36] <yofel> 1.1G    kernel/
[17:36] <apachelogger> yofel: in xsession-errors :P
[17:36] <yofel> no wonder it took ages
[17:36] <apachelogger> 2 possible causes come to mind: 1) mem leak 2) video graphics driver crash
[17:37] <apachelogger> considering the reporter mentioned virtuoso going wild 1) seems more likely
[17:37] <apachelogger> so the OOMKiller comes around and shoot everything dead
[17:37] <yofel> true
[17:37] <yofel> thanks
[17:37] <shadeslayer> 'The Terminator' fits much better :P
[17:39] <shadeslayer> uh
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think the patches you showed me might be just for dev boards
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not show you any patches
[17:40] <shadeslayer> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/77576
[17:41] <shadeslayer> isn't that what you pointed me to?\
[17:42] <apachelogger> you should read what I write :P
[17:42] <apachelogger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-tegra;h=ed91eafe33361ce842f7654dad082c3fc218888e;hb=6658a6991cef75719a21441aa0b7f8d6821534ee
[17:45]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok I don't follow at all
[17:48] <shadeslayer> you're saying I should clone the 3.1 branch and rebase ASUS's changes ?
[17:53] <georgelappies> for now I installed the droid font package, but would really like to use the ubuntu fonts. I tried installing the font package for 11.10 but it did not help
[18:31] <snele> in precise beta2 calendar on digital clock looks like this: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1O/3O/2iicdDW4/snapshot1.png
[18:32] <snele> but I think it should look like this: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2w/VR/3iU4H7ia/snapshot2.png
[18:32] <snele> region USA should be set to "not used" instead "days off"
[18:35] <snele> popup calendar on first screenshot looks wierd to me :) can this be changed in kubuntu default settings?
[18:36] <snele> it is small thing but it means polish :)
[19:02] <yofel> snele: it's set to not used for everything except the region you live in, there it's days off by default
[19:03] <yofel> looks normal to me
[19:05] <snele> yofel: well i live in serbia, and i have chosen serbia time/region while installing, but usa is chosen with "days off"
[19:05] <snele> i will give it another look tomorow
[19:05] <snele> i got to go now
[19:05] <snele> have a nice evening
[19:05] <yofel> hm, I guess it falls back to US
[19:05] <yofel> if there is no local calendar
[19:05] <yofel> *that* sounds like a bug
[19:15] <shadeslayer> whee plasma active kinda running on my device
[19:15] <shadeslayer> well shit
[19:15] <shadeslayer> it's fast
[19:16] <shadeslayer> even with software rendering
[21:06] <afiestas> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296949
[21:06] <afiestas> good thing to backport in case we can't put 4.8.2 in 12.04


 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-August/000282.html
[15:48] <mparillo> Added to https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4907&action=edit. Next step will be to edit https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/ linked from the draft news post. The the main download page.
[15:49] <mparillo> Then, the main download page.
[19:15] <valorie> \o/
[19:24] <mparillo> All edited and available for your review. The Alternative Downloads seems to have propagated through the WordPress; the main download page is still waiting for the cache to clear..
[22:48] <mparillo> https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4907&action=edit is ready for final review.


[01:23] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Final] has been marked as ready
 One down, three to go :D
[02:44] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Final] has been marked as ready
 Two down, two to go :D
[03:14] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Artful Final] has been marked as ready
 One moar :D
[03:39] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Final] has been marked as ready
 All done \o/
 Lies! 😁
 ❤
 I installed more Lubuntu today than is healthy for any mere mortal 😆
 Artful seems to be released, or will be very shortly here...
 I might need help publishing the announcements in a few places, the school district has a filter.
 Otherwise I might do stuff when  I get home then...
[16:33] <tsimonq2> Happy release day y'all
[16:51] <tsimonq2> Hmm, I won't get everything done by the time lunch is over.
[16:52] <tsimonq2> wxl[m], redwolf: If either one of you are inclined, there's one last section in the release announcement that I'd like to include, and what I've typed so far should lead you in the right direction. :)
[16:53] <tsimonq2> redwolf: I don't have the Twitter password, I just added it to TweetDeck (and there's no way for me to get it from there) so you'll have to ping the 17.10 tweet.
[16:54] <tsimonq2> So yeah, if you guys wanna finish up the announcement and publish, go right ahead, the only thing you should hold off on is the email, I'll send a GPG signed one when I return home.
[16:54] <tsimonq2> (because all the other places are just links)
[16:55] <tsimonq2> And if neither of you get to it, that's fine, just let me know and I'll do it when I get home from school. :)
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Or at study hall (with whatever I can access using the school WiFi, of course...)
 http://lubuntu.me
[17:42] <krytarik> Any plans on making that HTTPS-capable btw?
 (Photo, 564x846) https://i.imgur.com/FCPSpKq.jpg
 yes, I'm on it. but as our server isn't fully Canonical's... (yet)
[17:46] <krytarik> You overlooked on place - "current 17.04 release, Artful  Aardvark" :P
[17:47] <krytarik> Also, reminder to keep  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  updated too - or decommision it.
 @krytarik, O.O
 @krytarik, Decommission it and point it to Lubuntu.me
 Or someone :P
 I can do it later
[18:09] <krytarik> VikingRedwolf: And to be clear, the above snipped is from  http://lubuntu.me/downloads/ - fixit!
 it's fixed 😅
 where are my release notes?!
 @VikingRedwolf, They're there.
 URI, please?
 On mobile. Figure it out.
 what mobile?
 I'm usinbg Telegram Desktop! 😜
 I am on mobile...
 aw, so traditional... 😐
[18:31] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours
[18:32] <acheronuk> but the link is wrong
 Oh?
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_1025.mp4
[18:32] <acheronuk> that has https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Lubuntu
[18:33] <acheronuk> but this looks the proper ones? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
 That's how the naming worked for Zesty. Could someone fix the link please?
[18:37] <acheronuk> no lubuntu-next notes? as there is a dead link in the ubuntu notes
 I'm posting on Reddit now...
[18:38] <acheronuk> fixed for main lubuntu
 @acheronuk, Nope. Please delete the link
[18:40] <acheronuk> done
[18:40] <krytarik> acheronuk: I guess the Kubuntu one should move to 'ReleaseNotes/' too. >_>
 @acheronuk, Thanks
[18:41] <acheronuk> krytarik: it could, but not sure if I can be ****ed to change all the links
 ...now the blog itself...
 @VikingRedwolf, You just posted the link to the blog right?
 yup
 it is lubuntu.net, right?
 *runs*
[18:44] <wxl> you better run
 .__.
 😂
[20:15] <redwolf> wxl, can you do distrowatch?
[20:16] <redwolf> WALTER!!! o___o
[20:54] <wxl> @redwolf: omg what!!!
[20:54] <redwolf> hello honey ^^
[20:54] <wxl> hai :)
[20:55] <redwolf> I have no idea how to post the announcement on distrowatch :(
[20:55] <wxl> um
[20:55] <wxl> i dunno either i don't think
[20:55] <wxl> btw i'm hot
[20:55] <redwolf> I already knew that ;)
[20:56] <wxl> no i mean i just played a series of ping pong games and i'm heated
[20:56] <wxl> come fan me
[20:56] <wxl> https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=contributing#submitheadline
[20:57] <redwolf> ah :)


[01:11] <holstein> KiteHawk: ? kubuntu has the same kernel
[01:11] <holstein> should have sound.. make sure its not just you getting used to the KDE environment
[01:15] <KiteHawk> I think it actually was my graphics card
[01:16] <holstein> yup.. the driver*
[01:16] <KiteHawk> i thought i was using the onboard but i saw it was a funky card so i upgraded and loaded kubuntu and mixxx jumped right up
[01:16] <KiteHawk> my bad
[01:17] <KiteHawk> but yes now when i click on sound settings nothing happens
[01:17] <holstein> sure.. but the kernel is the same
[01:17] <KiteHawk> at top of screen where sound volume control is
[01:17] <holstein> open a terminal, and run
[01:17] <holstein> aplay -l
[01:17] <holstein> you'll see what devices are listed, if any
[01:18] <holstein> also, open in the terminal alsamixer, and trust none of the lables
[01:18] <holstein> labels*
[01:18] <KiteHawk> ok its remote and xfce environment has no vnc or am i mistaken about that?
[01:18] <holstein> KiteHawk: ?
[01:19] <KiteHawk> alsamixer i did that but i will up the volumes to verify
[01:19] <holstein> XFCE is alternatice to KDE
[01:19] <holstein> vnc is a way to share a desktop. you can do that with any environment
[01:19] <holstein> i use vino and vinagre usually from XFCE
[01:19] <KiteHawk> the machine is another machine than the one im on so i usually operate it through vnc or ssh but neither are setup yet
[01:20] <holstein> sure... use whatever software you want
[01:20] <KiteHawk> ah c i didnt know the program vino allows sharing desktop'
[01:20] <holstein> VNC, tight VNC.. vino... whatever
[01:20] <holstein> teamviewer
[01:20] <KiteHawk> k
[01:20] <holstein> also, use those with whatever desktop you want
[01:21] <holstein> though, typically, we dont use vino with KDE
[01:21] <KiteHawk> ubuntu 12.04 has it in the menu to start
[01:21] <holstein> and whatever the native one to KDE... you might not want to use that in gnome or XFCE
[01:21] <KiteHawk> so xfce is preferred because its faster?
[01:22] <holstein> KiteHawk: xfce is preferred only if you prefer it
[01:22] <KiteHawk> not sure exactly how to choose
[01:22] <holstein> i personally dont like KDE
[01:22] <holstein> and im not useing XFCE right now either, though i like it better, and support it
[01:22] <KiteHawk> ok for audio production purposes
[01:22] <holstein> KiteHawk: for whatever
[01:22] <holstein> doesnt matter
[01:22] <holstein> if you are remoting into an audio server occasionally, you dont need much of a desktop
[01:22] <holstein> maybe LXDE would be enough
[01:23] <KiteHawk> hmmm so why the variety just for variety sake?
[01:23] <holstein> KiteHawk: they are different
[01:23] <holstein> is XFCE faster than KDE? by default id say sure
[01:23] <holstein> but, KDE is different, and answers a different user base
[01:24] <holstein> can you have KDE and run ubuntustudio software? sure
[01:24] <KiteHawk> ubuntu studio for example is a collection of media for install so it would be considered media centric?
[01:24] <holstein> its all open, so the answer is always "yes".. its just how much of a pain
[01:24] <holstein> KiteHawk: ubuntustudio is us
[01:24] <holstein> its you and me
[01:25] <holstein> its a pre-set up version of ubuntu with customizations
[01:25] <holstein> we have metapackages... groups of software for tasks
[01:25] <holstein> you dont need ubuntustudio or any of the metapackages
[01:25] <KiteHawk> yes i understand the flexability is there but how is the protocol developed?
[01:26] <KiteHawk> what is the strenght of ubuntu studio?
[01:26] <holstein> its an out of the box solution
[01:26] <holstein> for audio and other things...
[01:26] <KiteHawk> strength(s)
[01:26] <holstein> if you want to have ubuntustudio, you install it, and have it
[01:26] <KiteHawk> yeah
[01:26] <holstein> its really something that no other operating system has
[01:26] <holstein> its like, if you bought OSX with protools and all the plugins preinstalled
[01:26] <holstein> with a differnt wallpaper
[01:26] <holstein> and icons
[01:27] <holstein> that would be "appleOSX studio"
[01:27] <holstein> that cant exist though... but we can do whatever
[01:27] <KiteHawk> i guess i get confused when so many things get loaded and it seams like one ubuntu is different from another
[01:27] <holstein> KiteHawk: they are all different, sure.. but the same base
[01:27] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu... *is* kubuntu
[01:28] <holstein> but, kubuntu is quite different
[01:28] <holstein> xubuntu and ubuntustudio look a lot alike now
[01:28] <holstein> like ubuntustudio and ubuntu did
[01:28] <KiteHawk> correct and keeping track is where i need know
[01:28] <holstein> but ehy are all the same
[01:28] <holstein> KiteHawk: nah.. just try em live, and enjoy
[01:28] <holstein> most distros have live CD's
[01:29] <holstein> and all of them have the linux kernel in some form of other
[01:29] <KiteHawk> yes i have been since version 6 but i'd like to be able to get to the task easily so as to appreciate ubuntu that much more
[01:29] <KiteHawk> i luv ubuntu:)
[01:30] <KiteHawk> 8)
[01:30] <holstein> version 6?
[01:30] <holstein> 6.04?
[01:30] <KiteHawk> thanks also for your support
[01:30] <holstein> sure.. anytime
[01:30] <holstein> or was it 6.10?
[01:30] <KiteHawk> yes i started with a mac ppc ubuntu 6.04
[01:31] <holstein> i loaded that up for history's sake
[01:31] <holstein> ppc is a pain
[01:31] <KiteHawk> it was just before 8.04 came out
[01:31] <KiteHawk> it sucks i had to let them all go
[01:31] <holstein> ppc?.. i was glad to drop them off and the recyclers :)
[01:32] <KiteHawk> no more support for the most part and they were quality servers
[01:32] <holstein> i have a couple still i run headless
[01:32] <KiteHawk> run forever
[01:32] <KiteHawk> yeah
[01:32] <KiteHawk> bus speed is horrible
[01:32] <holstein> running a desktop on them is a pain
[01:32] <holstein> ok... gtg... enjoy!
[01:32] <holstein> im going on vaction and might be on spotty network for a while
[01:33] <KiteHawk> cool have a great vacation  :D
[01:34] <KiteHawk> headless i didn't catch that what is?
[02:47] <acmeinc> what is the latest kernel version on U-S 12.04?
[02:48] <acmeinc> i started using a custom kernel and realized i haven't been getting updates.   wanna check if mine is actually the latest
[02:48] <acmeinc> hehe, timmy asks me every week to go to charlie murdochs now
[02:50] <acmeinc> wrong message, lolz
[03:04] <game2> acmeinc: Yes, no kernel updates on u-s.  But that is irrelevant if you are using a "custom kernel" surely?
[03:05] <acmeinc> i reverted back, but thx :)
[07:54] <Mish> There seems to be some problem in rendering text in Ubuntu studio. Black text doesn't appear totally black but appears to have purple and green colourations like in this screenshot.
[07:54] <Mish> http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6466/screenshot0728201212573.png
[07:55] <Mish> This is not a browser only problem. I've seen it in the menu items as well as text in different places in the DE
[11:24] <Guest64607> nick sun
[13:02] <eein_> morning
[13:03] <cfhowlett> eein_: "morning"?  It's 2100 here in China...
[13:04] <eein_> :-)
[13:07] <eein_> its 2012 here in US but we are looking to catch back up with China soon
[13:31] <cfhowlett> 2100 - 9 p.m.
[13:33] <eein_> :-) i know just being dumb
[16:20] <Unit193> hypnocat: Hello, nice nick.
[16:20] <hypnocat> hi
[16:20] <hypnocat> thanks :)
[16:21] <hypnocat> i need a little help with ubuntu studio
[16:21] <hypnocat> i'd like to install a synth app called "din", for which ubuntu packages exist here:  https://launchpad.net/~dinisnoise/+archive/din/+packages
[16:21] <hypnocat> how would i do that?
[16:21] <holstein> hypnocat: i used the .deb
[16:21] <hypnocat> how do i use the deb?
[16:21] <hypnocat> i'm new to ubuntu
[16:22] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~jagernot/+archive/din-is-noise
[16:22] <holstein> though, remember the information at the site being pretty easy
[16:22] <hypnocat> which of those debs do i download?
[16:22] <hypnocat> and how do i install them?
[16:22] <holstein> you can literally click them and run them, though i would read the site
[16:23] <hypnocat> ah
[16:23] <holstein> http://dinisnoise.org/download/
[16:23] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~dinisnoise/+archive/din/+packages is where the site sends you
[16:24] <hypnocat> also, which ubuntu version does ubuntu-studio correspond to?  maverick?  lucid? karmic?
[16:24] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~dinisnoise/+archive/din/+files/din_3.5~precise~ppa1_i386.deb for example, if you are on 23bit 12.04
[16:24] <holstein> hypnocat: depends on which version you have
[16:24] <holstein> 12.04 is precise...
[16:24] <holstein> lucis is 10.04...
[16:24] <hypnocat> i'm definitely using 12.04
[16:25] <hypnocat> i forget which version i burnt on this dvd, though.. 32 or 64
[16:25] <holstein> hypnocat: in a terminal, run "uname -a"
[16:25] <hypnocat> i'm on a 64 bit system, and "uname -a" reports:  Linux ubuntu-studio 3.2.0-23-lowlatency #31-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 11 02:24:03 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:25] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~dinisnoise/+archive/din/+files/din_3.5~precise~ppa1_amd64.deb
[16:25] <hypnocat> thanks
[16:26] <holstein> din uses 3d acceleration, so when it wont start, you can start troubleshooting there
[16:26] <holstein> if it wont start*.. i should be more optimistic :)
[16:27] <hypnocat> heh
[16:28] <hypnocat> it started
[16:28] <holstein> cool! enjoy!
[16:28] <hypnocat> now i have to remember how to use it..
[16:29] <hypnocat> time to watch the tutorial videos again..
[16:29] <hypnocat> thanks for your help!
[16:29] <holstein> sure... anytime
[16:59] <vaev> few more questions about ubuntu studio pulse-jack solution so I understand it right (I'm doing research on the subject, so this is not strictly US support related)
[16:59] <vaev> firstly, are you using the mixed jackd/jackdbus approach or plain jackdbus?
[16:59] <vaev> (as per http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/JackDbusPackaging )
[17:02] <len-dt> jackdbus
[17:02] <len-dt> The bridging will not work without it.
[17:02] <vaev> secondly, have you attempted using jack server as a boot time launched daemon? or simply letting users manually start it / programs autolaunch it, resulting in dynamic autonegotiation between pulse and jack if jack is running? and when it's stopped pulse would reacquire the alsa devices
[17:03] <len-dt> However the user is able to choose not touse dbus.
[17:03] <vaev> len-dt: actually it will if you statically configure module-jack-sink in pulse to be the only option without alsa fallback (letting pulseaudio launch jackd or jackdbus if available)
[17:04] <vaev> okay
[17:04] <len-dt> Ok I did not know that.
[17:05] <len-dt> We only have so many people for testing... So we have not done the amount of testing you have even.
[17:06] <vaev> I can post my findings on the subject to your mailing list.. I'm attempting to compose a guide as generic as possible regarding this matter
[17:06] <len-dt> If we were doing an Audio only distro it would just be jack.
[17:06] <len-dt> We are trying to get the "normal" desktop experience to work as well.
[17:07] <vaev> I'm trying to find a decent solution with minimal user interaction with the daemons needed for complete desktop and proaudio usage
[17:07] <len-dt> I think things will change again as Firewire makes its way into ALSA.
[17:08] <len-dt> I also think there are new things coming in both pulse and jackd that will change things too.
[17:09] <len-dt> The one thing I have noticed is that turning off PA-jack bridging seems to be jsut as effective as turning off pulse.
[17:09] <len-dt> This is easy to do on the fly.
[17:10] <vaev> I'm trying to keep an eye on them both. going to post to jack-devel soonish if they could evaluate my findings and suggest where to start repairing certain issues that have arisen
[17:11] <vaev> just hoping I don't fire up a powder keg of alsa-pulse-jack politics :)
[17:11] <len-dt> However, If I was doing "pro" audio. I personally would have the audio processing computer(s) with just jackd and no external net access.
[17:12] <len-dt> I am not suggesting it has to be that way, just my feeling
[17:12] <vaev> yep. in those use cases that is sensible
[17:12] <len-dt> I would want my audio computer to be as close to a one use box as I could.
[17:13] <vaev> same here. I already have a perfectly working solution for my personal use case, I'm just trying to generalize it so others can benefit from it too
[17:13] <len-dt> There are a lot of other things I would remove as well... including swap and most services.
[17:13] <len-dt> The fun of developing a distro :-)
[17:14]  * len-dt is saying all this while watching youtube on his audio computer...
[17:16] <ailo> vaev: len-dt: I believe the jackd2 is mixed jackd and mixbus
[17:17] <ailo> You can either run jackd or jackdbus
[17:18] <len-dt> Yes, it can be run either way. But I am not sure pulse as we have it configured will bridge if jackd is run with out dbus.
[17:18] <ailo> pulse will only bridge to jackdbus, not jackd
[17:18] <ailo> But the jackd2 package is compiled with mixed jackd2 and jackdbus
[17:19] <ailo> So, both are available
[17:19] <vaev> ailo: pulse will bridge to jack in both cases, but not automatically if not jackdbus
[17:21] <len-dt> Ya there are 3 modules involved, one that watches dbus for jack and then loads the sink/source modules as needed.
[17:21] <vaev> in case of only jackd it will remain completely oblivious as to it existing but it can be defaulted to load jack modules only, in which case it will start jack server through jackd or jackdbus if available
[17:21] <vaev> if it is not running already
[17:22] <ailo> Another problem with jack is audio card selection
[17:23] <len-dt> ailo, in muticard cases so does pulse.
[17:24] <len-dt> s/muti.multi
[17:24] <ailo> There's no good gui control for making simple audio card selections
[17:24] <vaev> yep. that's another thing I'm going to look into if I choose to go with the static pulse config..to try to automate the usage of alsa_in and alsa_out (from jack package) to use additional cards
[17:25] <vaev> for desktop solutions it might also be enough to let jack reserve one card, and let pulseaudio sink to it..then let pulseaudio load the remaining cards through alsa directly
[17:25] <vaev> but that eliminates the possibility of routing those cards through jack
[17:26] <vaev> but that's something I have to discuss with jack-devel on how to approach best
[17:26] <len-dt> The more I look at multi-track or multi-card uses, the more I am starting to feel, user has to have some understanding of their own system. Even (especially) windows or osx are not immune to this problem
[17:27] <ailo> If jack is to be default, I'd like pulse not to auto-grab any cards. Just wait to connect to jack
[17:27] <vaev> ailo: that's what I've done
[17:28] <len-dt> vaev, Have you done any testing with pulse-jack bridging and how a second card pulse is connected to effects the card jack is connected to?
[17:28] <len-dt> I have had problems this way.
[17:30] <ailo> len-dt: Was pulse using both the jack sinks, or was something also using the other card simultaniously?
[17:30] <ailo> I mean, did you also have pulse sink to the other card
[17:30] <vaev> I did some preliminary tests closely related. jack will remain completely oblivious of any cards that pulse grabs directly. I tested with letting jack take the hw:0 in my system and let pulse handle hw:1 (ati hdmi) and hw:3 (usb headset) through alsa
[17:31] <len-dt> vaev, That is not true.
[17:31] <vaev> oh?
[17:31] <len-dt> They can both run, but the settings in jack will not be able to be any better than the card connected to pulse.
[17:31] <vaev> I base what I said on not encountering any problems letting pulse sink to jack and the hw:3 simultaneously
[17:32] <ailo> len-dt: You mean, when using the pulse bridge. This was not a case with the bridge, from what I read
[17:32] <len-dt> My internal card on my netbook can get latency to -p128 and it has an issue with the wireless.
[17:33] <len-dt> An external card that with pulse not seeing the internal card can get -p64 and no wireless issues has the same limits when pulse can see the internal card.
[17:34] <len-dt> That is if pulse has the internal card turned on, jack can now only go to -p128 on my external card
[17:35] <len-dt> going to pavucontrol and turning the internal cards profile to off, lets me use my external card to it's full potential.
[17:36] <len-dt> With bridging turned of this is not a problem.
[17:36] <vaev> oh now I see what you mean
[17:36] <len-dt> bridgin requires pa and jack to sync
[17:36] <vaev> yes, it could have a performance impact
[17:37] <vaev> something I haven't encountered or measured at this point
[17:37] <len-dt> My internal sound card happens to be pretty bad ;-)
[17:42] <len-dt> While my netbook is not a great audio platform, with 1G ram and yucky (slow) hardware, it can make a surprisingly good remote recording platform or even guitar effect with an external USB audio IF
[17:46] <len-dt> I suppose pa-jack briding _could_ use resampling to get around this problem... but pa-jack bridging already uses twice the cpu time as jackd does. I'm not sure it would be worth it.
[17:47] <len-dt> (twice the cpu at -p 128 on my machine, worse at -p 64)
[17:48] <vaev> I'll consider this in respect of the static sinking approach
[17:48] <vaev> thans for pointing it out :)
[17:49] <len-dt> No problem


[01:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: So FreeGeek donated a pretty nice server to Ubuntu Oregon last year for general purpose stuff... We plan to likely do OpenStack on Ubuntu and use it for the site and a variety of other things related to advocacy
[01:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: so basically sysadmin ;)
[05:29] <slangasek> bkerensa: hmm, well, I'm not sure I'm a good choice of sysadmin
[05:34] <blkperl> slangasek: with Great Power Comes Great Responsibility
[05:35] <Maskil> hya everyone
[05:37] <slangasek> bkerensa: I'm not sure I would have enough time to spend on it to acclimatize myself to whatever local admin conventions apply :)
[19:25] <MarkDude> bkerensa: is there a link that shows Ubuntu at OSCON? Im trying to share a link- with my positive comments about Canonical sponsoring boothspace
[19:31]  * MarkDude thinks this is a good sign about Ubuntu being in regular expo hall, and a strong statement on profitability , but I cant find any sites that say anything, minus Jcastros blog- and it mostly mentions Juju
[19:34] <MarkDude> Let me know if you can find one- Im tired of seaarching for it. My intent is to say something fully positive, BUT I keep finding MIR links, and I can attack that some other time
[19:34] <MarkDude> Outgoing part of CLA sucks btw :D
[19:35]  * blkperl grumbles about the ubuntu server docs being in xml--
[19:44] <MarkDude> :D
[23:08] <bkerensa> slangasek: I think you're affiliation with PSU and Bart was a +1 for ensuring you have root ;)
[23:09] <bkerensa> slangasek: I'm not sure there will be any conventions but the box is multi-purpose so its for the entire loco to use
[23:10] <bkerensa> MarkDude: The OSCON site shows all exhibitors as for a blog post I'm not writing anything because I'm at OSCON this year through sponsorship from Mozilla
[23:10] <bkerensa> so
[23:10] <bkerensa> yeah
[23:10] <bkerensa> Idk
[23:10] <bkerensa> I might end up writing something but I'm not keen on promoting a competitor when Moz paid so much for me to go ;/
[23:13]  * MarkDude is not going- but awesome is awesome, and Mark S will have his profits in next 18months, IMHO
[23:14] <MarkDude> Profitable companies are good for FOSS IMHO-
[23:15] <MarkDude> I will ask Jono to blog on it maybe- or Jorge, its good stuff- even tho this will be my 1st time missing OSCON in 8 years