[16:50] <cyphermox> infinity: xnox: btw, looks like d-i FTBFS now due to findutils in -proposed
[16:50] <xnox> cyphermox, fun.
[16:50] <cyphermox> yeah.
[16:51] <cyphermox> so, just a fyi, I'll look into it now
[16:56] <infinity> Ugh, why do we have the experimental findutils in xenial at all?
[16:57] <xnox> infinity, someone thought it's a good idea to follow fedora & suse =)
[16:57] <xnox> but if d-i can be fixed for that and otherwise, it would be nice.
[16:57] <infinity> Well, findutils itself needs fixing first.
[16:59] <cyphermox> d-i does need to be fixed
[16:59] <cyphermox> -perm +$something was already a deprecated way of looking for permissions
[16:59] <cyphermox> looks like it just needs to be / instead of +
[16:59] <infinity> Not implying it doesn't need fixing, but I'm not keen on us leading the way on fixing everything else that might blow up too.
[17:00] <infinity> Plus, findutils' testsuite fails on ppc64el.
[17:00] <infinity> So, whee.
[17:01] <cyphermox> infinity: of course
[17:02] <cyphermox> wasn't findutils brought up in our last team meeting anyway though?
[17:02] <cyphermox> chiluk: ^
[17:02] <xnox> please bump https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-core-meta/0.6.11/+build/8415572
[17:02] <xnox> it's behind all the silos, which will not migrate until we migrate qt+apt which needs above
[17:04] <infinity> cyphermox: Well, I've deleted it for now.  Feel free to fix d-i anyway to remove the deprecated usage, but it should be unnecessary today.
[17:04] <cyphermox> infinity: yeah, I'll push the change in a bit. It looks like it's already fixed in Debian too
[17:04] <infinity> xnox: Scored up a bit.
[17:04] <xnox> infinity, tah.
[17:07] <xnox> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/apt.html sigh.
[17:51] <flocculant> balloons: so looking at this task - https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5278083867213824/
[17:56] <flocculant> balloons: please make sure you check it for 'flocculant knows in his head what's required so might miss what someone else needs'  missing information :D
[17:57] <balloons> :-) I'm sure it will happen, but I will check
[17:57] <flocculant> :p
[17:58] <flocculant> I did wonder if it was too much for one task tbh
[17:58] <balloons> flocculant, the actions? 1 to add the bug to Critical bugs in the add a test result section and 1 to add the bug to Bugs. That's confusing and maybe too much? The bugs are sorted automatically now
[17:59] <flocculant> flocculant: omw - sorry -release :( wrong channel ...
[20:40] <sil2100> Hello! I need to disable the system-image importer again for a while, should be back soon
[20:46] <sil2100> Latest EOD today
[22:01]  * xnox ponders to introduce haskell-libqtapt just for giggles
[22:02] <xnox> libreoffice-kde/s390x unsatisfiable Depends: kde-runtime
[22:03] <infinity> xnox: Would be because kde-runtime is dep-wat...
[22:04] <xnox> snap
[22:05] <infinity> Which goes back to libqapt, and it's impressive list of dep-waits.
[22:05] <infinity> s/it's/its/
[22:07] <xnox> which goes to qtdeclarative which is done in my ppa.
[22:07] <xnox> Laney, i think i need the rest of qt on s390x, because we have so much built in release pocket already.
[22:07] <xnox> Mirv, ^
[22:07] <xnox> i'm uploading qtdeclarative, and then getting the rest of things built.
[22:11] <xnox> ok, be back in two hours.
[22:12]  * xnox ponders when will qt+apt+popler migrate
[22:18] <xnox> infinity, is it me, or is archive publisher slow. sometimes taking more than 30minutes to publish s390x builds. or is there some networking across a pond involved there?
[22:19] <infinity> xnox: It can be slow when it's publishing the release pocket too, though it could also just be that you're impatient.
[22:20] <xnox> infinity, i expect every 5 minutes -proposed publishing =) and instant autopkgtest triggers
[22:20] <infinity> xnox: You're not going to get that.
[22:20] <xnox> infinity, i shall take long coffee breaks then =)
[22:20]  * xnox off to tesocs
[22:20]  * xnox off to tesco's
[22:32] <doko> are debian imports currently delayed or off?
[22:39] <stgraber> ^ should be a straighforward package rename + transitional binary package (and yes, I realize the name is absolutely ridiculous)
[23:32] <cjwatson> doko: They're not intentionally switched off, and the fact that (at least) openssh just got auto-synced indicates that they're not in general broken either.
[23:33] <doko> cjwatson, ahh, ok. that must have changed within the last hour
[23:33] <cjwatson> doko: Not as far as I know.
[23:33] <cjwatson> doko: Maybe you could give an example of the problem you were seeing?
[23:34] <doko> cjwatson, I wasn't able to syncpackage polymake and python2.7, but both were synced automatically 19min ago
[23:36] <doko> I'm asking because I was able to get these packages in unstable about 15h ago
[23:40] <cjwatson> doko: It arrived in the mirror sync we performed at about 16:05 UTC.  However, at that point there was a Launchpad database schema upgrade in progress, so the usual database import step didn't happen then, and only happened at its next cronned time six hours later.
[23:40] <cjwatson> doko: (that's polymake, I didn't bother to investigate python2.7 as well since it'll be the same basic sequence of events)
[23:41] <doko> cjwatson, ta, all fine now. packages are building
[23:41] <cjwatson> doko: But nothing specific to Debian imports; all cron jobs that go anywhere near the DB are disabled during schema upgrades.
[23:42] <doko> must have missed any notive about the upgrade
[23:43] <cjwatson> doko: They're routine and not typically announced widely, since actual downtime (in the sense of the webapp being out of action) is measured in seconds.  It was mentioned on #is-outage though.
[23:43] <doko> ok, I'll join that channel ...
[23:44] <cjwatson> doko: (Although I requested it, even I didn't know it was happening until it was done :-) )
[23:45] <cjwatson> But that's fine, I didn't need to know.


[00:24] <tgm4883> solars: IRC DVB adapters don't have /dev/videoX
[00:25] <tgm4883> solars: which then begs the question, have you tried setting it up in mythtv-setup as Shadow__X suggested
[01:42] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: seems like we get vacant stare as our answer
[01:42] <Shadow__X> hey tgm4883
[02:35] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: yes that happens, but I'd also kind of how irc works
[03:56] <Shadow__X> yeah, not sure why people don't just wait around
[14:30] <jarle> When booting the live CD, what is the "correct" way to get a frontend up and running? (without installing) I notice that mythfrontend is not listed in the menu?


[00:21] <wrst> Ubik: how so?
[00:21]  * wrst has been using DO some
[01:06] <Ubik> wrst: Well, friend of mine has a droplet there, running 2 websites (I set it up for him on his own account since he had GoDaddy and that was a hot garbage mess.) It's worked beautifully for 2 years now.
[01:07] <Ubik> He pays the bill every month, it all just works(TM). Yesterday, he gets an E-Mail about a support ticket being opened, that says his server is on Spamhaus.  At all. He forwards me the information, and buried in the ticket I find that they say they have disabled his network interface blah blah...
[01:08] <Ubik> and that he needs to follow Spamhaus' recommended steps (change your passwords, update your software, update your OS, etc.) and then let them know what the cause of the issue was, how they got in, how you fixed it, and how you'll prevent it from happening again.
[01:08] <Ubik> (before you can get your network access back)
[01:09] <Ubik> how does one run a system update without Internet access? (all you have is console access via a browser)....
[01:09] <Ubik> Oh, and they rebooted his box, so whatever was running on port 8080 was gone... nothing malicous found on there. Chances are it wasn't an infection of the site but just some malware process running that they killed when they rebooted it (which also zapped /tmp) so finding out what/how they got in is pretty much impossible.
[01:10] <Ubik> Long story short, he uses an insanely low TTL, so I just powered the thing off, did a snapshot, deployed a new box from the snapshot, that one had network access, updated everything (software/OS/etc) and then updated his DNS records to the new IP... deleted old server. That ticket is still sitting out there. :P
[01:11] <Ubik> I get it if they had reached out to him and said hey your box is up to <x> please fix it, he could have had me login and check... but to disconnect it from the Internet, reboot it, and insist that it be updated and a forensic investigation into what happened be done...
[13:04] <ZachGibbens> Any chance there was an issue? Did you check wtmp or nginx logs?
[13:04] <ZachGibbens> Clamav on the image?
[13:05] <ZachGibbens> I mean still not the most ideal way to have handled it but I ask so it doesn't repeat either.
[16:55] <Ubik> ZachGibbens: No issues found. I suspicion, honestly, that it was a process running in /tmp that got in through one of his WordPress installs. The WP installs themselves were not tampered with. And since they rebooted the instance for whatever reason, they destroyed the evidence.


[19:26] <philipballew> So who else is going to watch The Interview today?
[19:53] <philipballew> pleia2, Will you be getting Chinese food tomorrow like you have talked about in years past?
[19:54] <pleia2> philipballew: I don't know, will be visiting a friend in St. Louis and I've heard he sometimes cooks at home
[19:55] <philipballew> pleia2, :) thats tight! Sounds like a really fun time.
[19:56] <pleia2> should be
[20:18]  * nhaines is eating Indian food today.


[00:00] <AlanBell> is there a siri gtk app?
[00:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:00] <shauno> but most the reason I buy apple is because I want it to work out of the box.  I don't want to be proud of my duct-tape creation anymore
[00:00] <Azelphur> AlanBell: dunno, wouldn't be that difficult to make one
[00:00] <HOHOHaney> yeah, it would be cool to reverse engineer it
[00:00] <AlanBell> it has been reverse engineered and documented somewhere I think
[00:01] <AlanBell> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/a-look-at-how-applidium-reverse-engineered-siris-protocol.ars
[03:54] <siya> Argh... Running 11.04 w GNOME3, not able to dist-upgrade to 11.10
[03:55] <siya> Something about pinned packages (which I don't have) etc. Can't find any reason... :(
[03:55] <siya> Anyone still awake out there w any clue?
[04:05] <siya> "sudo aptitude remove nspluginwrapper" (got there by looking at the log files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/)
[08:02] <popey> morning
[08:03] <daubers> Morning
[08:04] <popey> yo
[08:11] <daubers> popey: You down with the kids now?
[08:11] <DJones> Morning all
[08:24] <popey> word
[08:33] <danfish> morning
[08:34] <danfish> a squirrel chewed through a piece of cat5 I've got on the outside of the house :(
[08:34] <danfish> cat5 does not look in anyway nut-like
[08:35] <danfish> must have been a myopic squirrel
[08:36] <daubers> maybe it was expecting nuts over TCP?
[08:36] <daubers> Or just wanted to steal your interwebs to buy nuts on ebay?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> Metal pipe \o/
[08:45] <danfish> daubers: so if I open up the wifi for them thay should leave the cable alone!
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> danfish: only if you tell them the passwords
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> but you'd be nuts if you did that
[08:46] <danfish> quite
[08:48] <daubers> danfish: OR! You could just give them some nuts to go away
[08:49] <daubers> Might be cheaper
[08:49] <daubers> Or use PoE :D
[08:49] <daubers> *nom* *nom* *nom* *BANG*
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> PoE is great, I'm going to configure some PoE access points tomorrow :)
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> Providing wifi to a camping in a forest
[08:51] <danfish> daubers: haha
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> daubers: too bad PoE is only 48V DC
[08:51] <danfish> I wonder what squirrel tastes like?
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Nutty
[08:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:01] <MooDoo> it's a bit cold this morning :S
[09:02] <danfish> crisp and sunny here :)
[09:07] <MooDoo> cold on the bike :)
[09:20] <oimon> i asked a question in the irc channel for a certain fashionable distro about how to check some settings, and got the fanboy answer, which was essentially, don't worry about it, $distro is $otherdistro done right!
[09:21] <oimon> i found out that was certainly not the case
[09:23] <danfish> ooh, nice. My current fav android ROM are getting their ICS build ready http://t.co/afzWeCfL
[09:24]  * oimon wants ICS on touchpad NOW
[09:27]  * MartijnVdS has ICS on his phone
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Galaxy Nexus
[09:28] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: what phone and cm9?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Galaxy Nexus and stock firmware :)
[09:28] <MooDoo> cool
[09:33] <oimon> MartijnVdS: thoughts?
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> It's huge :)
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> but it's fast
[09:39] <oimon> solves the android on tablet problem?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's a phone, not a tablet
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> I don't have ICS on my Xoom yet
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> But honeycomb on Xoom isn't bad either
[09:41] <bigcalm> Oh sod
[09:41] <bigcalm> I missed yesterday's meeting at lunchtime
[09:41] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[09:42] <bigcalm> What did I miss?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you got the taking-over-the-world bit?
[09:43] <awilkins> Darn, my phone has been listening to this channel jabber all night
[09:43] <bigcalm> I always thought that sabdfl was up to something
[09:44] <awilkins> New router arrived.... Muahahahaha
[09:46] <awilkins> Soon I will have 30Mbit/s of pulsating power bandwidth
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> only 30? :P
[09:46] <awilkins> I find 10 to be pretty luxurious
[09:47] <awilkins> I got 30 because the download throttling thresholds are getting a bit low
[09:47] <awilkins> And because my Mother-in-law doesn't hang round the house all day anymore so I saved money by cancelling the unlimited calling package
[09:48] <awilkins> More bandwidth for less cash, bargain
[09:49] <awilkins> Right, time to lose carrier
[09:50] <JamesTait> Merry Friday, everyone! :D
[09:51] <MooDoo> TFIF!!!
[09:52] <daubers> Oooh, forgot about yesterdays meeting, was with a surveyor looking at a house
[09:54] <JamesTait> MooDoo: That about sums it up, yes. :)
[09:56] <monsterwizard> I didn't know Iran calls us Little Satan
[09:56] <monsterwizard> it's kinda cute
[09:58] <andyloughran> howdy
[10:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:10] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how are you this fine day?
[10:11] <czajkowski> ntb
[10:11] <czajkowski> just relaxing
[10:11] <MooDoo> you in IE now or going later, can't remember what you said
[10:11] <czajkowski> plans changed so stayed in London
[10:11] <MooDoo> booooooo
[10:16] <awilkins> Oooh.
[10:16] <awilkins> Well, the web UI is very pretty on it
[10:19] <andyloughran> heya
[10:19] <andyloughran> awilkins: may I ask what (dont' have the scrollbag ability)
[10:19] <awilkins> VirginMedia superhub
[10:19] <awilkins> Heard mixed reports of it's goodness
[10:20] <awilkins> TBH I'm not sure I want to give up my stalwart Buffalo running OpenWRT
[10:20] <awilkins> I shall definitely need to work out how to keep my SSH server on it working
[10:21]  * BigRedS has trouble believing anything from Virgin to be good
[10:21] <awilkins> Muhahahah, 30Mbit/s down 3Mbit/s up
[10:21] <awilkins> Ahem
[10:21]  * awilkins gathers his composure
[10:22] <awilkins> They did implement a "modem mode"
[10:22] <awilkins> So you can just turn it into a dumb CM
[10:22] <awilkins> Which I'm inclined to use from the get-go
[10:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:25] <popey> i have mine in modem mode and use a different Wireless access point with mine
[10:26] <awilkins> popey, I'm probably going to do the same, TBH.
[10:26] <awilkins> popey, My existing access point is ancient and only supports ermmm. b?
[10:26] <awilkins> I can't keep track of all these letters
[10:27] <awilkins> But it runs OpenWRT nicely and gives me a SSH and WOL server
[10:27] <awilkins> So I can pretty much get into anything on my network remotely from there, even if it's off
[10:28] <awilkins> And apparently, my work laptop can't detect either of my access points now.. ?
[10:28] <awilkins> Perhaps this is some unrelated thing
[10:28] <awilkins> Or they are jamming each other
[10:30] <popey> yeah, mine is a netgear wndr3700 running ddwrt
[10:33] <awilkins> Hmm, laptop can't detect the neighbours routers either
[10:33] <awilkins> I guess it's soft-borked or something
[10:34]  * bigcalm detects poptarts and ingests
[10:34] <awilkins> Ah, unplugging the wire has restored it's ability to see wireless
[10:35] <Myrtti> OMG Harry Potter ♥ listening to the last few paragraphs of Deathly Hallows
[10:35] <bigcalm> popey: every day is a slipper day
[10:35] <awilkins> Survival instinct, I suppose. Or ICT have installed something to stop it bridging our network into a wireless access point
[10:35] <gord> i just read an article that EA games has created a "subscription service" for tetris, being part of it you get an "xp booster" so you can "level up" faster... tetris changed from what i played as a kid didn't it.
[10:36] <awilkins> gord, that HAS to be satire, surely?
[10:36] <bigcalm> Oh my
[10:37] <awilkins> Hmm. Superhub network connection 3 times faster than ancient router
[10:37] <awilkins> (wireless)
[10:37] <awilkins> Decisions, decisions
[10:38] <awilkins> urrrrrrrgh
[10:38] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I have slippers on right now
[10:38] <AlanBell> (and other stuff, to be clear)
[10:38] <awilkins> popey, Does your redirect DNS requests to a VM server if they fail?
[10:38] <bigcalm> awilkins: when the superhub wigs out (and it will), do you want it to stop you from accessing the rest of the LAN at the same time?
[10:38] <awilkins> popey, Or did it, before you put it into modem mode
[10:38] <BigRedS> awilkins: that's an opt-out thing with VM AIUI
[10:38] <bigcalm> AlanBell: phew
[10:39] <BigRedS> AlanBell: Phwoar
[10:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:39] <daubers> gord: I remember playing tetris against my brothers with a cable connecting the two game boys
[10:39] <popey> awilkins: i switched thet off
[10:40] <awilkins> popey, Isn't that what earned Verizon so much ire.... honestly
[10:40]  * popey shrugs
[10:40] <popey> i switched it off and no longer care ☺
[10:40] <bigcalm> Same here
[10:40] <awilkins> If it's mediated by the hub, it goes into modem mode tout suite
[10:41] <popey> mediated?
[10:41] <popey> it isnt, its a setting at the VM end which you can opt out of
[10:41] <awilkins> Well, doesn't the hub do your DNS reqeusts?
[10:41] <bigcalm> You have to enable/disable it via the VM site
[10:41] <awilkins> Ah
[10:41] <popey> and no, my modem doesnt do my dns requests
[10:41] <bigcalm> You'll get a link to it upon the 1st DNS SNAFU
[10:41] <popey> my desktop has dns servers setup directly
[10:43] <bigcalm> I do like DHCP, it means I have to fiddle with the multitude of devices just a little bit less
[10:43]  * awilkins turned it off
[10:43] <awilkins> Yick
[10:43] <Daviey> right, but you can put a different dns server in dhcp :)
[10:43] <awilkins> That's better
[10:44] <awilkins> That would have totally fubared some of my PAC scripts amongst other things
[10:44] <bigcalm> I let my Linksys router handle DNS and DHCP
[10:44] <Daviey> bigcalm: I thin you'll get crap odds on that bet!
[10:44] <awilkins> Yup, all my IP addresses are defined in the hosts file of my router
[10:45] <bigcalm> Daviey: its running ddwrt, I'm happy
[10:45] <awilkins> Fill up /etc/hosts and /etc/ethers and wake-on-lan works very nicely
[10:45] <Daviey> bigcalm: Are you using ipv6?
[10:45] <awilkins> Do VM even offer IPv6?
[10:45] <bigcalm> Daviey: not yet, no
[10:45] <bigcalm> awilkins: no
[10:45] <awilkins> Or do you have to fuddle with tunnels
[10:46] <Daviey> bigcalm: you used to be cool, not now.
[10:46] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:46] <oimon> youtube changed the homepage and doesn't let me remove alan pope's poledancing video from my front page :(
[10:46] <danhg_> mrevell
[10:46] <bigcalm> Computers are a tool for me these days.  Back in a mo.
[10:47] <awilkins> (dem)
[10:47] <bigcalm> :)
[10:48] <andyloughran> I'm upgrading to the VM SuperHub on the 7th Dec.
[10:48] <andyloughran> Currently still using a Surfboard 4100
[10:48] <bigcalm> andyloughran: and the 1st thing you'll do is switch it into modem only mode? ;)
[10:49] <andyloughran> I need to read back through the conversation
[10:49]  * andyloughran doesn't have the benefit of scrollback
[10:49] <andyloughran> er - any particular reason why?
[10:50]  * HOHOHaney hasn't felt the need to do that yet
[11:00] <awilkins> It seems modem-mode involves reflashing the firmware, it's been downloading something for some time now.....
[11:00] <awilkins> Thank heavens for 3G
[11:00] <greg__> just joined, you referrinf to the superhub?
[11:00] <awilkins> Yes
[11:00] <popey> 15
[11:00] <popey> bah
[11:01] <greg__> awilkins I asked to join the beta test  team on the virgin media forums, I have had it for a while
[11:02] <awilkins> Modem mode was just there in the options, didn't want to have to reconfigure all my network
[11:02] <awilkins> ... still downloading
[11:02] <Myrtti> popey: how long has it been again since I've last declared my undying love to you? ♥ (re: mailing list)
[11:03] <popey> haha
[11:03] <MooDoo> o_O
[11:03]  * Myrtti bows to popey
[11:04] <MooDoo> steady on Myrtti you'll give him a big head
[11:04] <Myrtti> MooDoo: I thought his hairdo takes care of that already
[11:04] <Myrtti> no need for me to do anything
[11:04] <MooDoo> you being nice will make it bigger lol
[11:05] <Myrtti> MooDoo: he knows me and knows what I mean, I doubt it really has any effect on his head
[11:05] <MooDoo> Myrtti: i know i'm just teasing :)
[11:05] <bigcalm> Indeed, nice post
[11:06] <popey> borders on STFU but hey ho
[11:07] <BigRedS> Oooh. A mailing list post about Unity. Fancy that :)
[11:08] <davmor2> morning funksters
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:08] <HOHOHaney> THAT'S IT, I'M MOVING TO ARCH!
[11:08] <BigRedS> Nono, it's Mint this month
[11:08] <andyloughran> :p
[11:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: brat
[11:08] <oimon> i'm on using linux munge..new distro - heard of it?
[11:08] <davmor2> HOHOHaney: No be a rebel use Ubuntu
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski do you two need to go on the naughtystep?
[11:09] <MooDoo> FEDORA ftw!
[11:09]  * HOHOHaney ho ho ho
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm already there dude
[11:09] <MooDoo> hehe
[11:09] <HOHOHaney> http://open.spotify.com/track/5T9bJG4tMNms1fsib8Azvq :3 Christmas song of the day
[11:09] <HOHOHaney> not terrible like yesterday's, promise
[11:09] <davmor2> HOHOHaney: I bet it is
[11:10]  * HOHOHaney sulks
[11:11] <daubers> Oooh, I saw emmy the great live a couple of years ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> you know what's really funny tho
[11:11] <Myrtti> I've used Xubuntu for years
[11:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: lee evans?
[11:11] <davmor2> My xmas pick for the day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNbsQ8eDbA
[11:11] <HOHOHaney> I saw her live a month or so ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> with 11.10 I moved back to Ubuntu :-D
[11:11] <HOHOHaney> was good
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you don't need multi monitor support then? :)
[11:12] <Myrtti> bigcalm: no, but on the tablet Unity/GnomeShell are quite nice. Better than Gnome2, but still need work
[11:12] <Myrtti> and then Unity grew on me and I decided to have it on the laptop as well
[11:12] <daubers> bigcalm: I use unity on multi monitors.....
[11:12] <bigcalm> I agree. And I'm looking forward to returning to Unity once I can use it on 3 monitors without it being silly
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I saw the demo of the upcoming multimonitor support trust me it will be AWESOME!
[11:13]  * daubers obviously uses his monitors wrong compared to everyone else
[11:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: goodo :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> daubers: how so?
[11:13]  * HOHOHaney sits atop his xmonad-built ivory tower
[11:13] <HOHOHaney> still figuring out multi-montior support down there?
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: by the way you'll like my xmas pick
[11:13]  * HOHOHaney quaffs some port
[11:14] <daubers> bigcalm: People complain about multimonitor support, but I've not had an issue.....
[11:14] <bigcalm> My added complication is my 2nd monitor is rotated 90 deg
[11:14] <Myrtti> daubers: Intel or AMD?
[11:14] <BigRedS> I always think that if X Just Worked it'd take a lot of the fun out of Linux for many people
[11:14] <daubers> Myrtti: nvidia
[11:14] <Myrtti> ooo, you're speshul
[11:15] <bigcalm> nvidia is special? I have 2 nvidia gfx cards in this machine to get something close to what I need
[11:15] <gord> multimonitor works pretty well on my nvidia system and intel :(
[11:15] <gord> easier to fix things when they break for you too
[11:17] <daubers> gord: We must be doing it wrong or something
[11:20] <gord> the process kind of sucks on everything though, i just want to plug in a second monitor and have everything magically work
[11:21] <daubers> if wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak
[11:22] <oimon> anyone else tried the unity launcher on the bottom yet?
[11:25] <oimon> here it is in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYH13qQZZe8
[11:26] <MooDoo> think i quite like it at the bottom
[11:27] <oimon> me too
[11:27] <oimon> it's the small things that make some people happy :)
[11:39] <popey> oimon: what resolution is your screen?
[11:40] <oimon> thats my kitchen sink box
[11:40] <oimon> probably 1280x1024
[11:40] <oimon> it's got every DE going installed on it
[11:40] <popey> heh
[11:41] <popey> mine's 1920x1080, makes no sense having the launcher at the bottom
[11:41] <oimon> my other box is 1920x1080
[11:41] <oimon> my docky is at the bottom on it
[11:42] <oimon> i tried docky on the side and hated it
[11:51] <dwatkins> What's a DE, oimon?
[11:51] <dwatkins> desktop extension?
[11:52] <oimon> desktop environment, e.g. LXDE, Gnome, KDE, etc
[11:52] <dwatkins> ah I see
[11:52] <dwatkins> What about fvwm, twm, xfce and cde? ;)
[11:53] <oimon> i have xfce on there too :)
[11:53] <dwatkins> oh, and 4Dwm...
[11:53] <oimon> as we approach 12.04 LTS i am trying to decide which distro and DE i will go forward with on my machines
[11:53] <oimon> lucid has served me well
[11:54] <oimon> but i have tons of PPAs
[11:54] <Myrtti> funkyHat: fixed the connection yet?
[11:54] <oimon> gnome shell is about to become usable with the extensions so i am tempted
[11:55] <funkyHat> Myrtti: it's not a connection issue, I haven't figured out what it is yet though
[11:55] <Myrtti> you just flooded all my channels so much I lost track on which channel I'm on
[11:56] <funkyHat> ⢁( sorry
[11:56]  * dwatkins has joins, parts, quits on ignore in most places
[11:56] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:56] <czajkowski> I do also
[11:57] <dwatkins> occasionally I'm talking to someone and they disappear, reboot etc. but tab-complete is enough to let me check someone's online.
[11:57] <czajkowski> nods
[11:57] <Myrtti> I find it difficult to be an op with having them ignored
[11:57] <Myrtti> so I don't
[11:57] <gord> same reason
[11:57] <gord> plus its not too big of an issue 95% of the time
[11:57] <funkyHat> After my server reboots irssi seems to go a bit mad. It seems to get started up more than once, then the instances fight each other for my nicks... I guess
[11:57] <czajkowski> Myrtti: per channel might help, unless you're an op in here
[11:57] <dwatkins> Myrtti: what sorts of things do you need them for, and could you have two logins, one you rarely use but that has them enabled?
[11:57] <funkyHat> I'm not sure why it gets started up more than once
[11:58] <Myrtti> I don't have them showing up in my irssi status bar tho
[11:58] <czajkowski> ah ok
[11:58] <Myrtti> czajkowski: I'm an op on all the channels we share and he flooded in
[11:58] <Myrtti> including this
[11:58] <czajkowski> nods
[12:00] <Myrtti> dwatkins: two logins is too much of a hassle, it's not too bad usually. Need to check for joinfloods, banevasion etc
[12:00] <dwatkins> ah I see, yes
[12:00] <dwatkins> I used to keep a 2nd login to a channel I'm an op on in case I needed to check when someone went on/offline
[12:01] <dwatkins> I guess we don't get much ban-evasion there, and when we do it's pretty obvious from the username etc.
[12:01] <gord> irc proxies \o/
[12:01] <dwatkins> gord: you mean like running irssi inside a screen session on the other side of the atlantic... *whistles*
[12:01] <gord> dwatkins, i mean like running znc or something :) something you connect something else like irssi or xchat or whatever to
[12:02] <gord> irssi has a proxy mode itself, its pretty crap though
[12:02] <Myrtti> I use the proxy mode to use with a mobile phone client
[12:03] <dwatkins> not tried that yet
[12:03] <Myrtti> haven't for a long time tho, irssi connectbot is such a nice ssh app so it doesn't really matter anymore
[12:04] <dwatkins> I like it when code.google.com pages have a qrcode on them :)
[12:04] <gord> is that like an android market link or something?
[12:05] <dwatkins> yeah, like this: http://code.google.com/p/irssi-connectbot/
[12:05] <funkyHat> I use the regular connectbot with a saved thing for irssi
[12:05] <dwatkins> strange, it doesn't actually work, but I like the idea
[12:07] <Myrtti> oh man, I feel blue now
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> da ba dee?
[12:07] <Myrtti> Harry Potter ;____;
[12:07] <czajkowski> aye irssi connectbot is excellent
[12:08] <dwatkins> I enjoyed the last HP film, the one before it was rather meh, though.
[12:08] <czajkowski> I'm just glad it's all over tbh
[12:08] <dwatkins> Also, what's with them touting 3D everywhere?
[12:08] <czajkowski> dwatkins: aye why do all films now have to be in £D
[12:08] <dwatkins> czajkowski: yeah, to be honest, I was a little glad of that side of ti too.
[12:08] <czajkowski> 3D
[12:08] <czajkowski> I get that its funky and nice to do
[12:08] <czajkowski> but really.... most films dont do it well
[12:09] <dwatkins> czajkowski: I think it's the film industry trying to attract people back to the cinema instead of staying at home watching HD movies on their plasma TV
[12:09] <gord> i just bought a bunch of 3d movies :P
[12:09] <gord> for my hd 3d tv!
[12:09] <czajkowski> gord: you would
[12:09] <czajkowski> :)
[12:09]  * gord stays at home
[12:09] <dwatkins> gord: do you require glasses to watch them?
[12:09] <gord> yup
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> My TV is 3D-capable, but I don't have 3D glasses
[12:09] <Myrtti> I don't think I've seen any of the movies past HP2
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> So no 3D for me
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> also, headaches
[12:09] <dwatkins> what happens if there are more people than glasses?
[12:09] <gord> i get that some people don't like glasses, thats fine, whatever, i don't mind :)
[12:09] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: so why on earth dd you buy one
[12:09] <Myrtti> have tried to have read the book before the movie and I just finished 6 and 7 this week
[12:09] <gord> they are damn expensive... stood on one once, whoops, £100 down the drain
[12:10] <czajkowski> gord: blame the cat next time
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: The TV is fine, it just didn't come with 3D glasses :)
[12:10] <Myrtti> I hugely dislike the 3D movies in the cinema
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: it just has the option for 3D if you decide to buy  glasses later
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: main reason is the built in satellite tuner though :)
[12:10] <czajkowski> Avatar was the best still by far
[12:10] <czajkowski> all others have been a massive let down
[12:10] <gord> to be honest movies still aren't that great in 3D, there are a few that are absolutely fantastic, but not many. video games are good with 3d :)
[12:11] <dwatkins> I find 3D tends to be badly adjusted in cinemas so there's bleed-through from one eye's image to the other
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that might explain the headaches
[12:11] <gord> most cinema's will also use regular bulbs instead of the once that are twice as bright, which you need for 3d.. so you get a dim image
[12:11] <Myrtti> oh dear
[12:12] <Myrtti> just had to check how much the audiobooks would be as CDs
[12:12] <Myrtti> what a ripoff
[12:13] <dwatkins> ah that's why it's a bit dim, thanks gord
[12:13] <czajkowski> really hope they don't ruin pirates of the Caribean by doing 3D in the future
[12:13]  * Myrtti spanks gord for a typo
[12:14] <gord> czajkowski, 4 was 3D
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: But JK Rowling and Stephen Fry have to eat too!
[12:14] <czajkowski> gord: ahhh ddidnt notice that
[12:14] <gord> ones/once. same thing!
[12:14] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I know, that's why I thought of buying them
[12:14] <Myrtti> gord: tis not
[12:14] <czajkowski> ohh I'd listen to stephen fry tell a story
[12:14] <czajkowski> nice soothing voice
[12:14] <gord> czajkowski, to be honest... three already ruined pirates of the Caribbean ;) that was a hard movie to make it through...
[12:15] <czajkowski> gord: shush or no bickies for you
[12:15] <Myrtti> perhaps I'll just save up to get them on Audible
[12:15] <dwatkins> I listen to a lot of audio books driving between Edinburgh and London, you can pay 4 pounds a month for a subscription to audible.co.uk and get one free audio book a month.
[12:15] <awilkins> Hmm, the red light and misleading uplink flashing wasn't the modem getting a new firmware.
[12:15] <dwatkins> saves a lot, that
[12:15] <czajkowski> wow ubuntu-uk ml is rather talkative this morning
[12:15] <awilkins> Just needed to reboot my router to get DHCP address
[12:16] <awilkins> Grragh, just sat waiting for an hour for no reason <-- plonker
[12:16] <Myrtti> dwatkins: yeah, I had that for some time but I've cut my excess spending since - I've got loads of audiobooks still in there that I haven't finished so I'm not terribly worried
[12:16] <dwatkins> Myrtti: yeah, I have about 4 credits yet to use, but am taking the train there tonight, so may get another one for this trip.
[12:17] <Myrtti> now the only splurge I allow myself is Spotify, partly because a friend gave me 40EUR as a present on paypal that had nothing else than spotify payments
[12:17] <popey> my tolerance for ubuntu haters is low today ☺
[12:17] <czajkowski> popey: nice replay re trademarks
[12:18] <czajkowski> only issue I have with them is it takes more than a week to get a reply from them. but it is the only place to get a definate reply and ok from
[12:18] <dwatkins> Myrtti: I'm fearful of Spotify, if you stop subscribing don't you lose your music?
[12:19] <popey> yes dwatkins
[12:19] <popey> but it's not your music anyway ☺
[12:19] <popey> no commerical music ever really is
[12:20] <Myrtti> dwatkins: one of the reasons I keep paying for it, but it doesn't matter to me that much anyway - I know I could get the music cheaper somewhere else - it's the ease of user experience that I pay for
[12:21] <Myrtti> a) 95% of the time everything I look for is in Spotify and I don't have to look anywhere else 2) it works on my Ubuntu 3) it works on my phone 4) I can make my own playlists and share them
[12:23] <Myrtti> for the same reason I've paid for audible, last.fm and other services in the past
[12:24] <dwatkins> I considered investigating Spotify, Sky Music etc. but havn't done so yet.
[12:24] <dwatkins> I bought an album by Feist because of the song 1,2,3,4, then realised I prefer the version she did on Sesame Street ;)
[12:24] <Daviey> popey: but it's not free software!11!
[12:25] <Myrtti> shock horror
[12:25] <Myrtti> news at 11
[12:25] <dwatkins> I know I don't own the music on my phone/mp3 player, but I like to be able to listen to it when the label has gone bust or I'm in a tunnel ;)
[12:33] <DJones> Anybody interested in these games? http://marathon.sourceforge.net/
[12:35] <andylock1an> wow
[12:35] <andylock1an> :D
[12:35] <andylock1an> he's back :D
[12:35] <andylock1an> :D
[12:36] <Myrtti> dwatkins: I happily use Spotify offline
[12:42] <andylockran> well that was a bit of hassle
[12:47] <Myrtti> *phew*
[12:47] <andylockran> yeah
[12:47] <Myrtti> that was a display of *why* I don't ignore joins and quits and such
[12:47] <andylockran> how come?
[12:47] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: ?
[12:48] <Myrtti> `-` joined pretty much all the ubuntu channels there are
[12:49] <Myrtti> excess flooded themselves out on the first attempt to announce the world that #ubuntu ops suck, but eventually got k-lined
[12:49] <Myrtti> amazing how much excess time and malice people have in the world
[12:50] <davmor2> gord: I think it's gonna be cancelled for december we'll sort out a date for January instead
[12:51] <gord> davmor2, no prob, platform rally in early jan though remember
[12:51] <davmor2> gord: we can make it latter it was only early to catter for xmas and parties ect
[12:51] <gord> yeah
[12:58] <Myrtti> is there any kind of clipboard management for Ubuntu 11.10?
[12:59] <Myrtti> or something that you'd recommend?
[12:59] <gord> my dash tells me that klipper exists, it has 3/5 stars on software centre
[12:59] <Myrtti> klipper sounds like a KDE thing
[12:59] <gord> it does ;) it is!
[12:59] <gord> maybe glipper?
[12:59] <gord> is that a thing?
[12:59] <Myrtti> I'll have a look at clipit and glipper then
[13:01] <popey> /4/27
[13:01] <popey> bah!
[13:02] <awilkins> Did you just accidentally post the Pangolin release date?   :-p
[13:04] <gord> thats the 26th :P
[13:04] <Myrtti> clipit seems to be exactly what I was looking for
[13:36] <dwatkins> Myrtti: yeah, I meant in terms of the streaming-only alternatives, I appreciate you can use Spotify via the app offline if you still have a subscription :)
[13:36] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k-QuvfednM  I made a video!
[13:37] <dwatkins> you make it sound so simple, popey :)
[13:37] <dwatkins> do people ask questions on this?
[13:39] <andylockran> yeah
[13:40] <dwatkins> I'm surprised, although I admit I wasn't aware it actually existed.
[13:41] <gord> popey, might want to use the hd version when linking people to it so its not in blur-o-vision. its mostly static images so the hd version doesn't take up much bandwidth
[13:42] <popey> gord: I'd rather let people choose resolution themselves
[13:42] <popey> if they full screen it then yt will auto switch to HD anyway wont it?
[13:42] <popey> good point tho, ta ☺
[13:42] <gord> depends on their settings, some of us (me) disable that because when i switch to fullscreen it goes to a video format that my connection can't handle
[13:43] <popey> ah
[13:43] <popey> i didnt know you could override that
[13:53]  * daubers mqtt-ises a few workshop tools
[13:53] <andylockran> gord: you should do a screencast on it - make it recursive!
[13:53] <AlanBell> did youtube just get a lot better?
[13:55] <dwatkins> they changed the theme
[13:55] <dwatkins> it may also have html5 enabled now
[13:55] <dwatkins> not sure if that's still in beta
[13:57] <AlanBell> resizing stuff and resolutions seem to have some relationship now, and you can select the resolution when fullscreened
[14:02] <dogmatic69> i have a dir, that when cd into, crashes my pc. load average hits 50 / 60 and ram shoots right up to 4gigs
[14:02] <dogmatic69> any way i can see what is going on in there?
[14:02] <dogmatic69> its a git repo
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I'd force an fsck on the next boot
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what kind of fs are you using?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> default
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: ext3? ext4?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> i done sudo su www-data then cd there and its not as bad, still crashed when i did git status
[14:07] <dogmatic69> how could i check that?
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "mount"
[14:08] <dogmatic69> sda1 is ext4
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sudo touch /forcefsck
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: then reboot
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: if it's a separate partition, unmount it and fsck
[14:10] <dogmatic69> k, thanks.. brb (if this does not take 5 years)
[14:15] <dogmatic69> that was quick, no errors
[14:20] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: http://i.imgur.com/rc9Ql.png
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what kind of git repo is it?
[14:41] <dogmatic69> just some work code, php
[14:41] <dogmatic69> with some submodules
[14:44] <Myrtti> oh man I really really hate Gwibber
[14:44] <oimon> Myrtti: does it still suck after the re-write
[14:46] <Myrtti> well it sucks bowling balls on 11.10
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what happens if you create a fresh clone somewhere?
[14:46] <oimon> wow, how sad
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: does that also exhibit that problem?
[14:46] <oimon> i'm still using hotot quite happily for my twitter requirements
[14:46] <davmor2> Myrtti: so add bugs to improve it
[14:46]  * MartijnVdS uses chrom
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> e
[14:47] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: no, then its fine
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: OK, do that, remove the old tree and replace with fresh clone
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you did the fsck?
[14:47] <Myrtti> davmor2: it doesn't take away the pain of using it *now* though :-<
[14:47] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: there is a branch on the old one that i need
[14:47] <Myrtti> perhaps I'll just ... suffer Tweetdeck on Chrome again
[14:47] <dogmatic69> fsck ran fine
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: try it from a live CD, maybe that works.
[14:47] <dogmatic69> hmm
[14:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: agreed but it will make it less painful for 12.04 maybe
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: Different version of Ubuntu (= different version of FS code)
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I have no idea
[14:48] <dogmatic69> fsck from live cd?
[14:48] <dogmatic69> or view the repo from a live cd
[15:20] <gord> just had to google for the command to make a tar file... how do i even get anything done on linux
[15:24] <kirrus> gord: by googling? :P
[15:24] <Myrtti> hm, is it possible to make the workspace switcher to wrap around in 11.10?
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a quick Python query...
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a string: 12345:09876
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want to return only the bit left of the colon.
[15:25] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: using git --git-dir=... i was able to see what is going on. just ditched all the unstaged changes and now i can cd in without the system crashing but terminal is hanging still
[15:25] <deej1976> Myrtti: not in ubuntu by default http://mein-neues-blog.de/xplanetFX/
[15:25] <dogmatic69> memory usage is going up slowly and load average still at 0.5
[15:26] <dogmatic69> getting there slowly
[15:34] <dogmatic69> think i found the issue... http://i.imgur.com/AJ10h.jpg
[15:35] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, s.split(":")[0]
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: Yeah - Thanks. Just worked it out too :-)
[15:36] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, cool :)
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: OK - It's a bit more complicated than I thought. ;-) My string could actually look like this "12345:09876 : ABCDEFG"
[15:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want to split and return everything left of the <space:<space> bit.
[15:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just tried split(' : ') but that still split on the first colon
[15:49] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, that's odd:
[15:49] <fwereade_> >>> "foo:bar : hcde:jeoi".split(" : ")[0]
[15:49] <fwereade_> 'foo:bar'
[15:50] <AlanBell> split('abc') splits on a and b and c, not the string 'abc'
[15:50] <AlanBell> I think
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>> "helloabchello".split("abc")
[15:50] <fwereade_> ['hello', 'hello']
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>> "helloabchello".split("cba")
[15:50] <fwereade_> ['helloabchello']
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>>
[15:51] <AlanBell> no, I am wong, don't mind me
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: You are right. Just tried it in a python console and it works.
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better check my template... Probably typo.
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! My bad - that works!
[16:00] <daubers> woo!!
[16:00] <daubers> Things in the workshop tell me when they're finished now :)
[16:00] <danfish> daubers: mqtt?
[16:00] <matti> ;]
[16:01] <matti> TheOpenSourcerer: <ruby lover mode> Try Ruby ;p </ruby lover mode>
[16:01] <daubers> danfish: Indeed :)
[16:01] <danfish> yeh!
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> matti: I have to use Python for that one.
[16:01] <matti> TheOpenSourcerer: :)
[16:02] <danfish> daubers: just need a nanode mqtt port now
[16:03] <daubers> danfish: Yeah, that'll take a long while as memory on the chip the nanode uses for ethernet is a bit lacking
[16:03] <danfish> ah - didn't realise that was the reason
[16:03] <daubers> danfish: Did get my first arduino ethernet today though \o/
[16:04] <danfish> excellent. knolleary's update the client for that one IIRC
[16:05] <daubers> danfish: This was from a discussion I had with someone http://groups.google.com/group/reading-hackspace/msg/ff54bb13cb211c0d states the exact problem
[16:05] <daubers> danfish: He has! It's the same wiznet chip on the arduino ethernet shield, it's more an update for the arduino 1.0 IDE
[16:10] <danfish> hmm whether to get a nanode rf....or a raspberry pi?
[16:10] <daubers> (raspberry pi)
[16:11] <daubers> I really want an Arduino Due as I have a project that will benefit from the extra processing umpf of the ARM chip
[16:11] <daubers> but they're not out yet :(
[16:12] <monsterwizard> oooo  Ardunio user
[16:12] <monsterwizard> What projects have you made?
[16:12] <daubers> Mostly toys or simple sensor rigs
[16:12] <danfish> I missed the announcement about the Due
[16:13] <daubers> It was part of the makerfaire announcements
[16:13] <danfish> monsterwizard: some home automation/monitoting stuff
[16:14] <daubers> I might try and through together an MQTT over easyradio library
[16:20] <monsterwizard> oh sweet
[16:23] <daubers> EasyRadio's are expensive :( But so very very easy to use
[16:25] <monsterwizard> danfish where do you buy your electronics?
[16:37] <MooDoo> http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/geeks-lose-minds-recreate-first-level-of-super-mario-land-with/
[16:37] <MooDoo> awesome, minecraft mario :D
[16:37] <danfish> monsterwizard: a number of places - rapid, coolcomponents, proto-pic
[16:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on a Lenovo laptop, and had a problem with an upgrade which caused me to loose the desktop, which was a whilst it was in Beta. I had to create a new User and things are working ok. I log in using the new username and password, but when I go to open Synaptic, it shows my old username on the pop up password box, and wants my old details, even though I no longer have that username and password, would anybody know
[16:59] <scoundrel50a>  why this is happening.
[17:06] <AlanBell> hi scoundrel50a
[17:06] <bigcalm> The old user has the uid of 1000?
[17:07] <bigcalm> Is your new user in the sudo list?
[17:07] <AlanBell> new user isn't in sudoers
[17:07] <bigcalm> (doubt that'll make a difference though)
[17:07] <AlanBell> or isn't in the admin group
[17:07] <bigcalm> Listen to AlanBell
[17:07]  * bigcalm goes back to stabbing SQL
[17:07] <AlanBell> that will be it, it is like my kids computers want me to log in to do updates because they are not admins
[17:08] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: ok, so if you run the users and groups tool (just type "user" in the dash and it should find it)
[17:09] <AlanBell> then click your new user then click advanced
[17:09] <AlanBell> you will have to log in as the old user at this point
[17:10] <scoundrel50a> ok, will take a look now, one sec
[17:10] <AlanBell> then on the user priviledges tab click the administer the system checkbox and anything else you feel like ticking there
[17:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, where do you find that in Ubuntu 11.10. I dont see it anywhere
[17:13] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you in the users tool?
[17:13] <daubers> or trying to find it?
[17:13] <scoundrel50a> daubers: no cant find the users tool
[17:14] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Ok, if you open the dash (the Unity thing that lets you search) and just type users it should appear in the list
[17:14]  * AlanBell goes to cook sausages, it is there somewhere in the dash scoundrel50a
[17:14] <AlanBell> ooh, is it not because you are not an admin??
[17:14] <AlanBell> someone carry on with this . . .
[17:14] <daubers> Should still appear shouldn't it?
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> there is user accounts, and it has my name as admin, but I cant do anything with it, I cant do what you said with it, its not like the old version
[17:16] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Hang on, let me upload a screenshot to make sure we're looking at the same thing
[17:16] <scoundrel50a> I can do that in 10.10.not 11.10 it is different
[17:17] <andylockran> lol, I need a guru :p
[17:17] <andylockran> a MySQL guru..
[17:17] <andylockran> for hire :D
[17:17] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you seeing this window?
[17:18] <daubers> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=5848
[17:18] <daubers> (if so I think this is the wrong tool.... but we'll get there in a moment)
[17:18] <scoundrel50a> yes, but you cant get in any further, it doesnt allow, or at least I cant find a way in
[17:18] <daubers> ok
[17:19] <daubers> when you type users in the dash, there should be another one called "Users and Groups"?
[17:19] <czajkowski> nods
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> I enter my log in details but it doesnt give any more options to do what you suggested
[17:19] <daubers> rather than user accounts
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> nope
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> not there
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> not in my 11.10
[17:20] <czajkowski> scoundrel50a: hmm I'm seeing it here in 11.10
[17:21] <scoundrel50a> ok I typed users and groups in and nothing comes up,
[17:23] <scoundrel50a> so where has Users and Groups gone, and how do I get it back
[17:23] <AlanBell> that is a bit of a puzzle
[17:24] <popey> its called user accounts
[17:24] <popey> not users and groups
[17:24] <daubers> popey: They're different UI's
[17:25] <scoundrel50a> ok, I have user accounts.....but there are no Privalages options in it
[17:25] <scoundrel50a> even if I enter the password
[17:25] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you set as an administrator in that UI?
[17:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Of course you could just type: sudo usermod -a -G admin username
[17:26] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec, I'll see if I can get an image of what I see and show you
[17:26] <daubers> Thanks :)
[17:26] <AlanBell> su oldname first
[17:27] <daubers> AlanBell: We should check he's not in the admin group first
[17:27] <daubers> double check even
[17:27] <AlanBell> ok
[17:30]  * daubers needs to disappear to a squash game
[17:30] <daubers> can somone carry on with this please?
[17:31] <scoundrel50a> sorry, can work out in 11.10 how to take screen shot
[17:31] <daubers> scoundrel50a: There's a screenshot tool
[17:31] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Throw screenshot in the dash and it should popup
[17:33] <scoundrel50a> flippin heck, that was hard work, http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=5849
[17:34] <scoundrel50a> bottom name not locked
[17:34] <daubers> scoundrel50a: can you run users-admin from a terminal please?
[17:34] <scoundrel50a> ok, need to install it, give me a sec
[17:35] <daubers> ok, that's the users and groups tool me and AlanBell were thinking of
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> ah
[17:35] <daubers> I really have to vanish or I'm going to be late, but hopefully someone else can continue with you if you get stuck in that tool
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> thank you so much for your help
[17:36] <daubers> Hope you get it fixed :)
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> yay, I got it back
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> I have this in 10.10
[17:37] <scoundrel50a> where is Synaptic in Users and Admin, Synaptic is calling my old username and password
[17:38] <scoundrel50a> ok, I will give it another go, I added my name as admin, see if it works
[17:38] <scoundrel50a> need to reboot, brb
[17:40] <scoundrel50a> nope, that didnt work, Synaptic is still asking for my old password, it has called my old uesrname
[17:41] <scoundrel50a> I cant get into Synaptic because of it
[17:42] <scoundrel50a> I can update using the updater, and via the terminal
[17:44] <scoundrel50a> the only way I can get into Synaptic is if I open run as root, enter Synaptic into it, and then it accepts my new password
[17:45] <scoundrel50a> and then it opens
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> would you be able to advise me about a pdf reader with advanced features such as highlighting bookmarking etc?
[17:48] <scoundrel50a> ok, it seems I looked in the Users and Groups section, and it seems that both accounts point to the old username and password, even though logging in I can use the new uesrname and password
[17:49] <scoundrel50a> very odd
[17:50]  * AlanBell returns with a tummy full of sausages
[17:50] <brobostigon> :)
[17:51] <brobostigon> yummy.
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> any suggestions about the pdf reader of my dreams? possibly for free!
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> (it is for Ubuntu if anyone is wondering)
[17:53] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: file bugs against evince
[17:54]  * AlanBell wonders if scoundrel50a had ubuntu-desktop installed
[17:54] <AlanBell> certainly things adrift if user-admin was not installed
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, you can't highlight with evince though you can bookmark pages
[18:02] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: so file a bug against evince saying you can't highlight stuff with it
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> my ezPDF reader on my android phone is super
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> that a bug?
[18:02] <AlanBell> sure, if it isn't as awesome as you want it to be then it's lack of awesomeness is a fixable bug
[18:02] <AlanBell> it is a feature request really, but they all go in as bugs
[18:03] <AlanBell> ubuntu-bug evince
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> plus I'll get karma!
[18:05] <jutnux> Mmmmm clotted cream ice cream!
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> Bug #656363
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> I don't see that fix and I'm using Oneric Ocelot
[18:33] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: good question
[18:36] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: works for me!
[18:37] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: ok, so in the help for evince it tells you how to do it, in the sidebar select annotations, then add, then select the thing you want to annotate, it works for me
[18:40] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, that's cool, but how about underlining etc, is that possible?
[18:42] <AlanBell> dunno, I have never ever annotated a PDF before, still not quite sure why you would want to!
[19:01] <Myrtti> how annoying, on oneiric my laptop resets the display brightness after every time the screen has gone blank
[19:03] <czajkowski> dinner has been ordered
[19:03] <czajkowski> yay
[19:11]  * popey goes to obtain curry
[19:12] <czajkowski> pr0ph3t: what we ordered also
[19:12] <czajkowski> 45mins and counting
[19:12] <czajkowski> popey:
[19:12] <czajkowski> damn tab completion
[19:13] <pr0ph3t> so it's curry tonight
[19:15]  * AlanBell had sausages
[19:15] <davmor2> we had pizza
[19:15] <AlanBell> and now has beer
[19:16]  * davmor2 is now working again
[19:16]  * jutnux had pot noodle. "luvin lyfe 2k11"
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ proper patch panel installed
[19:24] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: for a mere $60 you can install Q PDF Studio from Software Center and it will be able to do anything you need to a pdf :)
[19:24] <jutnux> Mere?
[19:25]  * davmor2 waits to hear the thump of pr0ph3t 's jaw hitting the floor
[19:25] <jutnux> Ah
[19:25] <zleap> this wrong direction thread on the list is good
[19:25] <davmor2> jutnux: in comparison to Adobe PDF tools at $200+ yeap mere
[19:25] <pr0ph3t> what's that in pounds? 5 quid?
[19:25] <jutnux> My school has PDF tools
[19:25] <jutnux> I fail to see what it is good for
[19:26] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: about £40
[19:26] <jutnux> Other than printing PDFs, which PDFCreator does on Winslows and what you can do on Ubuntu anyway
[19:26] <davmor2> jutnux: I know it's aim at professionals rather than you're average user :)
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> I see interesting
[19:27] <jutnux> davmor2: Haha, don't really have a use for PDFs to be honest ;)
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> - illegal comments censored -
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> online somewhere
[19:30] <davmor2> jutnux: the big advantage for Office users is they can create a pdf form that can be published online the results saved and signed as pdf and therefore a binding contract etc so it does have uses but again I'm guessing more of a pro thing than you're average joe tool :)
[19:31] <jutnux> I'm on Ubuntu so I guess I don't have uses for that ;)
[19:31] <czajkowski> jutnux: some offices use Ubuntu and may need it :)
[19:33] <jutnux> Probably, ah well - the wonders of being young and not having a job 'ey?
[19:33] <jutnux> So how are we all?
[19:33] <AlanBell> czajkowski: bastubis tells me that charities need PDF form stuff for grant applications. Can't say I have ever come across a PDF form myself
[19:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: bastubis
[19:34] <AlanBell> generally people want PDF to be for output they don't want other people to mess with, like invoices
[19:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Paula, that is her IRC nick
[19:34] <czajkowski> ahhh
[19:35] <AlanBell> I have no idea why
[19:35] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye my old place in ie used to have an online form but really it was the back end of a pdf
[19:38] <czajkowski> http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/39826/  folks might find this an interesting read
[19:39] <AlanBell> read it :)
[19:39] <AlanBell> funnily enough
[19:40] <czajkowski> :)
[19:40] <czajkowski> in between all of the emails today
[19:40] <czajkowski> how ever did you find time
[19:40] <AlanBell> read it months ago!
[19:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer had fish fingers & mash earlier and will be going out for a curry later :-)
[19:43] <czajkowski> gah 15 more mins for dinner to arrive
[19:43] <czajkowski> please hurry up
[19:44] <AlanBell> czajkowski: looks like they lost the argument about stamping "unclassified" on every page!
[19:44] <czajkowski> eh ?
[19:46] <AlanBell> the LSE report, the cabinet office lawyers interfered with it
[19:48] <czajkowski> oh lovely
[19:48] <AlanBell> I think they only did that, plus decided they wanted copyright to HMSO or something, the license is their version of creative commons
[19:48] <AlanBell> (c) 2011 Queen's Printer and Controller from HMSO
[19:50] <czajkowski> ahh I see
[19:50] <czajkowski> huzzah! dinner has arrived
[19:50] <AlanBell> oh /o\ conflicting permissions on that LSE stuff on page 1
[19:52] <AlanBell> and a typo on the link to the OGL
[19:52]  * AlanBell goes to send an email
[19:53] <AlanBell> twice!!
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> And once the next morning!
[19:54] <AlanBell> it was all spelled correctly in the draft that was CC licensed
[21:18] <popey> quiet evening ☺
[21:21]  * popey tickles daubers
[21:22]  * bigcalm scribbles in his journal
[21:22]  * Myrtti considers sleep
[21:23]  * popey considers google hangout
[21:23] <bigcalm> I thought your webcam didn't work
[21:24] <popey> i have two
[21:24] <popey> the 12.04 one doesn't
[21:24] <popey> laptop does
[21:25] <bigcalm> I haven't taken part in a hangout in all the time that g+ has been around
[21:25] <popey> heh
[21:27] <bigcalm> I'm amazed that my webcam works within their thingy
[21:27] <Myrtti> bigcalm: me neither
[21:27] <jacobw> google hangout sounds odd
[21:28] <popey> tis fun
[21:30] <Myrtti> ooohhh
[21:30] <jacobw> i imagine its like party where no one can touch each other
[21:30] <Myrtti> talking of Google Hangouts
[21:30] <Myrtti> looks like the inventor of IRC is working for Google on developing Hangouts
[21:30] <jacobw> who is the inventor of irc?
[21:31] <popey> a finnish person
[21:31] <Myrtti> Jarkko Oikarinen
[21:32] <jacobw> so the finns invented irc and linux
[21:32] <popey> bigcalm: wanna test it?
[21:34] <bigcalm> popey: Sure, let me get an ale
[21:34]  * AlanBell starts a hangout from the ubuntu uk page
[21:39] <popey> Fetched 723 kB in<PHONE_NUMBER>34601d 7h 0min 14s (0 B/s)
[21:39] <Myrtti> awwww
[21:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:40] <popey> hmm, something busted here
[21:40] <popey> might switch to chrome
[21:42]  * AlanBell is hanging out
[21:44]  * daubers considers hot chocolate
[21:45]  * Daviey tucks AlanBell back in
[21:51]  * jacobw is exploring G+
[21:57]  * ubuntu <3 G+
[21:58]  * ndf <3 G+
[21:58] <ndf> lol
[21:58] <monsterwizard> really
[21:58] <monsterwizard> ??
[21:58] <ndf> i do.
[21:59] <ndf> you seem shocked, are you not impressed?
[22:14]  * jacobw <3 G++
[22:14] <jacobw> its all about polymorphism
[22:14] <AlanBell> that was fun
[22:25] <monsterwizard> is it wrong to listen to audio while programming?
[22:25] <monsterwizard> or learning
[22:27] <jacobw> music is supposed to stimulate your mind
[22:28] <jacobw> as long as isn't nirvana
 asimo on qi <newsflash>
[22:33] <Myrtti> Rupert Grint to depict Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards in a biopic movie? ahhahahahahahahaha
[22:38] <jacobw> wow
[22:45] <monsterwizard> is it wrong to do programming without coffee?
[22:49] <jacobw> monsterwizard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg
[22:53] <monsterwizard> errr that was a very educational video
[22:54] <AlanBell> danfish: is the pub selection settled yet?
[23:05] <awilkins> Hmm. So far the computer has failed to crash. Apparently the solution to my instability problem was to remove the video card and wiggle it a bit.
[23:05] <awilkins> One can only hope this persists
[23:20] <Myrtti> oh no...
[23:48] <monsterwizard> who else is forever alone on a friday night?