[00:36] <OvenWerks> sakreZzZZz: when you get back, fontconfig might be fonts-conf?
[08:28] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: fonts-conf gives me command not found
[08:30] <sakrecoer> I noticed scribus has dissapeared from the menu in dev, but its still present. i guess its that desktopfile thing.. looking into that today. just need to read up on the procedure again
[08:31] <sakrecoer> scribus is still present *in the system
[08:32] <zequence> sakrecoer: I reported a bug on that.
[08:33] <zequence> bug 1487031
[08:34] <zequence> Not sure what the holdup is.
[08:38] <sakrecoer> ok... something about libstdc++6 transition according to a comenteer..
[08:38] <sakrecoer> i havn't been able to test 15.04 at all.... is scribus hidden in it?
[08:39] <zequence> Don't think so
[08:40] <sakrecoer> great... but then, how did you fix it? did you guys made a desktopfile?
[08:53] <zequence> Apparently there is a fix in Debian, but no one has yet got the fix into Ubuntu
[08:53] <sakrecoer> i'm not sure it is worth the time explain it with more details to me just yet... :)
[08:54] <zequence> If you like, you could take a look at it. If you can fix the package locally, I can help with the administration of getting the fix into Ubuntu
[08:54] <sakrecoer> that would be AWSOME!
[08:55] <zequence> sakrecoer: I would get both the Ubuntu and the Debian sources, and find only the fix for the desktop file in the Debian source, then add it manually to the Ubuntu source
[08:56] <zequence> sakrecoer: First, install some dev packages: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools git
[08:57] <zequence> Then, head to http://git.debian.org
[08:58] <zequence> Do Ctrl+F to find scribus. It'll have a link to here http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/scribus.git/
[08:58] <zequence> Actually, you can get this info from the Ubuntu package as well
[08:58] <zequence> But, it's good to know about that place
[08:59] <sakrecoer> i still quite havn't figured where the ubuntu packages are... ( . .)
[08:59] <zequence> At the bottom of the scibus page, there's a section called Clone. The one you want right now is https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/scribus.git
[09:00] <zequence> To clone the scribus source, you do: git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/scribus.git
[09:00] <zequence> You might want to add this at the end, so that you can separate source dirs..
[09:00] <zequence> git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/scribus.git scribus-debian
[09:01] <zequence> To get the Ubuntu development source, do: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/scribus scibus-ubuntu
[09:02] <sakrecoer> the ubuntu-dev-tools, is it ok to install them in the my dev environement or should i try to keep it as close to the way i got it as possible?
[09:02] <zequence> The dev environment is for developing, so you'll need tools for that
[09:02] <sakrecoer> ok :) thanks
[09:03] <zequence> Btw, you'll probably need a ssh key set up in order to get the bzr branch
[09:03] <zequence> Both a ssh key and a gpg key is needed, if want to build packages and upload
[09:04] <zequence> To fix the ssh and gpg key, see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[09:04] <sakrecoer> ok... gpg is all good, ssh-key gave ma lots of headache on my previous install. But i whiped it so it should be good now.
[09:04] <zequence> You'll need to add the public ssh key to your lp account
[09:05] <zequence> Also, the gpg key
[09:05] <zequence> Both are mentioned on that page I just linked
[09:05] <sakrecoer> thanks
[09:06] <zequence> Make sure to keep your gpg and ssh folder backed up, so you don't need to do this too many times :)
[09:06] <zequence> If you ever start packaging for Debian, you will want to keep the same gpg key forever, pretty much. Once other developers have met you in person, and agreed to sign your key, the gpg key becomes your virtual ID, which people can trust.
[09:08] <zequence> So, also keep them safe. Unreadable, and on encrypted drives.
[09:08] <sakrecoer> thanks :) i will
[09:08] <zequence> sakrecoer: I'll mention some more stuff now, but you can read it once you catch up
[09:09] <sakrecoer> perfect! please do write, i have to go away a short moment, but i keep it logged :)
[09:09] <sakrecoer> this is exactly what i need zequence
[09:09] <sakrecoer> a little guidance..
[09:10] <zequence> There are ways to search for the fix, but in this case, it seems to be simple enough to find
[09:12] <zequence> To see where the change happened, see the git log, with the command: git log
[09:13] <zequence> You'll find a commit that says (...) debian/scribus{,-data}.install: install the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications in the scribus binary (...)
[09:13] <zequence> To see the actual changes in that commit, do: git show 0f3a7ac3af72dac5a4270fa32497072315751ee2
[09:14] <zequence> The 0f3a.. is the id for that commit. You'll see it in the git log.
[09:15] <zequence> From that commit, you should be able to figure out how to change the Ubuntu package so that it will include the desktop file
[09:15] <zequence> As a first step, just add the fix to the Ubuntu source package, commit the change using bzr, and then build and test the package.
[09:17] <zequence> So, naturally, you'll now be in the root dir for the bzr source package (which we called scribus-ubuntu)
[09:17] <zequence> To add and commit the change do:
[09:17] <zequence> bzr add .
[09:17] <zequence> bzr commit -m "testing fix"
[09:17] <zequence> Then, to build:
[09:17] <zequence> bzr-buildpackage
[09:18] <zequence> Ah, sorry, I forgot :)
[09:18] <zequence> Forget the last commands for bzr.
[09:18] <zequence> Do this instead..
[09:19] <zequence> Add the changes to the bzr branch: bzr add .
[09:19] <zequence> Then, edit the Debian package changelog: dch -i
[09:20] <zequence> Doesn't matter what you write there. This is just a test. The version will have added "ubuntu0" to it, or something like that.
[09:20] <zequence> You can change the version to "wily" too
[09:21] <zequence> Once you are done, save the changes. Then, to commit, run the command: debcommit
[09:21] <zequence> Now, you can build the package, with: bzr-buildpackage
[09:22] <zequence> And, install and test: sudo dpkg -i ../scribus<something>.deb
[09:22] <zequence> Once you know you got the fix done and working, let me know.
[09:28] <zequence> I will add this stuff to the wiki in the coming weeks. Let you know when it is in place, and I would appreciate feedback.
[09:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: -menu, -controls and -meta should all be in proposed soon.
[09:30] <zequence> Am I forgetting anything?
[09:33] <sakrecoer> zequence: i will be quick letting you know if you did.
[09:33] <sakrecoer> thank you very much!
[09:56] <sakrecoer> i just got random ubuntustudio lovemail from a stranger on a foroum. Thought it could make you guys smile :)
[09:56] <sakrecoer> 99musik.se
[09:59] <sakrecoer> peppchannel# (^^,)
[10:36] <zequence> sakrecoer: Do you have any experience at all with source code, btw?
[10:44] <zequence> And, if you ever want tips on anything at all, just ask. Or, if you would like to see documentation about it on the wiki.
[15:07] <sakrecoer> thanks zequence... just a littlebit experience with source code... mostly php/html tho, so no building needed (^^,) but i got a bit of git experience by collaborating on blender projects and with the HTML5 exporter for kid3
[15:08] <sakrecoer> but i think your instructions were fairly easy to follow...
[15:08] <sakrecoer> i am at it now..
[15:08] <sakrecoer> i see kid3 didn't make it in this version btw...
[15:09] <sakrecoer> it's a very sweet ID3 tagger...
[15:27] <sakrecoer> zequence: i am at the stage where you wrote: dit the Debian package changelog: dch -i
[15:27] <sakrecoer> so i did this, and it opens up a log in any of 3 texteditors...
[15:29] <sakrecoer> in it i see there is some editing i just did logged, but i don't get *where* to enter "willy" or write something...
[15:31] <sakrecoer> well... i wrote nothing it was happy...
[15:31] <sakrecoer> now i'm building...
[15:32] <sakrecoer> hmm.. build failed...
[15:34] <sakrecoer> i seem to be missing some packages to build...
[16:06] <sakrecoer> working smooth
[16:23] <sakrecoer> gah... forgot to add my gpg key haha
[17:20] <sakrecoer> hmm... DEBFULLNAME="John Doe"
[17:20] <sakrecoer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:20] <sakrecoer> oops
[17:21] <sakrecoer> ssh-keygen -t rsa made me a bunch of keys without asking for an email adress, so gpg is looking for a key that matches my user@localmachine ... :/
[17:21] <sakrecoer> nah well.... lets try this again then...
[17:24] <sakrecoer> ok... maybe the -C flag should be mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment#Create_a_SSH_Key
[17:34] <sakrecoer> not too happy about the comment email adress displaying on my launchpad profile...
[17:35] <sakrecoer> hmm.... i'm doing this wrong...
[17:36] <sakrecoer> i must be missing some input where to put my identity for bzr... i've done the bzr whoami, and also added the lines in .bashrc...
[17:37] <sakrecoer> my gpg keys are in the keyring, but when its time to sign the build, gpg wants to have the secret key for set@sakreDEV .... (being my user@localmachine)
[18:19] <sakrecoer> hmm... i managed to break the debian/changelog... i think i give up for today...
[18:20] <sakrecoer> in the end i got a few error messages such as this one: "E: scribus: debian-changelog-file-contains-invalid-email-address set@sakreDEV"
[18:21] <sakrecoer> but there is no such email in the changelog file... , i removed a few lines where my name was writen in brackets onetime fullname, another just name... and now its borken lol
[18:54] <sakrecoer> hmm... maybe because i forget to set my launnchpad id in bzr...
[19:47] <sakrecoer> yes that fixed it.... but this time i gpg: skipped "Set Hallstrom<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available" wich is strange because "gpg --list-secret-keys" is showing it..
[19:47] <sakrecoer> na well... sorry for flooding the channel maybe... :/
[21:11] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: sorry, I meant to add kid3. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.wily/revision/1451
[21:17] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: there is done. I added the qt version as it tries to add a lot less deps.
[21:18] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: it should show up in the "new" menu in Audio Production->Audio Utilities
[21:19] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: It was already installed here from me testing it which is why I thought it was already added and so I had already put it in the menu.
[21:40] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: you rock! :)
[22:00] <zequence> sakrecoer: To get build dependencies, do: sudo apt-get build-dep scribus
[22:01] <zequence> sakrecoer: You can build without signing, doing: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[22:02] <zequence> But, you might as well figure out all that stuff, so it works for you.
[22:02] <sakrecoer> thanks! it's awsome
[22:02] <sakrecoer> i'm logging it
[22:02] <sakrecoer> :)
[22:03] <sakrecoer> i figured the dependencies thing, but your way was much easier
[22:03] <sakrecoer> well.. i havn't tested it yet, but mine was tedious haha
[22:04] <zequence> :)
[22:04] <sakrecoer> now my problem is the gpg.
[22:05] <zequence> It's the email that needs to be correct
[22:05] <sakrecoer> well. now it is.
[22:05] <sakrecoer> gpg: skipped "Set Hallstrom<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[22:05] <zequence> Well, I guess both name and email
[22:06] <zequence> hmm, skipped?
[22:06] <zequence> YOu have a password for the gpg key, right?
[22:06] <sakrecoer> i didn't even have to enter the passphrase for the ssh key this time actualy..
[22:06] <sakrecoer> yes
[22:06] <sakrecoer> but it never asked for it
[22:07] <zequence> And, if you do: echo $DEBEMAIL
[22:07] <sakrecoer>  gpg --list-secret-keys shows it
[22:07] <sakrecoer> ok
[22:07] <sakrecoer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:08] <zequence> And, $DEBFULLNAME is ok too?
[22:09] <sakrecoer> Set Hallstrom
[22:09] <sakrecoer> yeah... seems so
[22:10] <zequence> And, you are sure the gpg key has the exact same information?
[22:11] <sakrecoer> gpg --list-secret-keys tells me so
[22:11] <sakrecoer> only diff i can see would be the comments..
[22:12] <sakrecoer> i could try bzr with -k C74D7E67
[22:13] <sakrecoer> but i should try with a package that is faster to build.
[22:13] <zequence> Do you have more than one key?
[22:14] <sakrecoer> not in launchpad
[22:14] <sakrecoer> MAybe it is because no one has verifyed it yet :)
[22:15] <sakrecoer> i haven't met a single person with gpg since i started using it.
[22:15] <zequence> No, it doesn't connect to the internet
[22:15] <zequence> You can do: dpkg-buildpackage -k<keyid>
[22:16] <zequence> bzr-buildpackage will use dpkg to build the package, but it will also do some other stuff
[22:17] <zequence> If you get a complaint about no orig source (guessing you should have it already), cd to the parent, and do: pull-lp-source -d scribus
[22:17] <zequence> -d means download only, so it won't decompress it. You get the orig tar doing that
[22:18] <zequence> Anyways, time to get to sleep. Will check in tomorrow
[22:18] <sakrecoer> thanks! :) dream big!
[23:08] <sakrecoer> well, i got no complaint, things seem to have built.
[23:08] <sakrecoer> but signing didn't work..
[23:11] <sakrecoer> i did dpkg-buildpackage -kC74D7E67 i don't remember being queried for my passphrase tho..
[23:21] <sakrecoer> build installed, now its in the desktop menu
[23:23] <sakrecoer> software seems operational
[23:23] <sakrecoer> but dpkg-buildpackage: warning: not signing UNRELEASED build; use --force-sign to override
[23:29] <sakrecoer> geez... scribus is awsome...
[23:41] <sakrecoer> sometimes freesoftware is overwhelmingly free. i get these fantasies of books and colors, but then again, what text and which form? :D
[23:42] <sakrecoer> but tools are there no problem, you go get that idea
[23:42] <sakrecoer> <3
[23:47] <sakrecoer> !ubottu echo $WORLD_PEACE >> good --local
[23:49] <sakrecoer> i like you too ubottu
[23:55] <sakrezZZz> hmm.. apt-get was complaining about dependencies.
[23:55] <sakrezZZz> i remembered the sudo apt-get build-dep scribus
[23:56] <sakrezZZz> and now the menu is gone
[23:56] <sakrezZZz> no to fiesta yes to siesta.. :D
[23:56] <sakrezZZz> bye


[02:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: I just got the source code for the fan controller :)
[05:13] <knightwise> ls
[05:13] <knightwise> morning
[07:14] <DJones> Morning all
[07:31] <jacobw> morning DJones
[07:40] <jacobw> does anyone know of a method of distributing incoming chats to agents from a jabber roster?
[08:00] <diplo> Morning all
[08:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <popey> yo
[08:27] <DJones> Off topic and windows question, can anybody recommend an anti malware/spyware with realtime monitoring thats free, spent 4 horus removing one from my dads laptop yesterday evening and would rather not do that again, sadly he's too set in his windows ways to use ubuntu for any length of time
[08:27] <diplo> not sure about real time, but the two I use are Spybot which i think may have some real time
[08:27] <bigcalm> DJones: join VirginMedia. They then give you re-branded software from TrendMicro. Seems to work for my parents
[08:27] <diplo> And the better of the two imo is Malwarebytes, may have real time in pro but not in free i don't think
[08:28] <bigcalm> (this may not be the answer you're looking for)
[08:28] <DJones> diplo: They're the two I was looking at
[08:29] <directhex> i thin k BT also give you some nonsense software. dunno, i rejected it
[08:29] <diplo> Only 2 i really use tbh, they seem to find extra stuff that others don't
[08:29] <directhex> also your online bank might
[08:29] <DJones> bigcalm: No cable where they they live, so not that worth changing, although good suggestion, they're on BT so will look at it
[08:29] <directhex> DJones,  http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=27269
[08:29] <bigcalm> Also, Microsoft offer free software for non server installs of Windows
[08:30] <bigcalm> I can't remember what it's called though
[08:30] <directhex> bigcalm, microsoft security essentials. AV, not malware.
[08:30] <DJones> He's got the free MS antivirus, that completely missed this one
[08:30] <bigcalm> directhex: fair enough
[08:32] <DJones> BT offer BT Netprotect Plus for free
[08:34] <directhex> pretty sure i gave you the url for that
[08:34] <gnuisnotlinux> Vim, or emacs?
[08:34] <popey> edlin
[08:34] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: why stick with just one?
[08:35] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: use what you find best for a given situation :)
[08:35] <directhex> nano.
[08:35] <directhex> because not enough people have the courage to admit that they don't understand vim *or* emacs
[08:35] <bigcalm> Though personally, I use nano and fall back to vim
[08:35] <popey> \o/ I generally use nano
[08:35] <DJones> directhex: Yeah, same one, hadn't clicked on yet, was looking through different ones
[08:36] <gnuisnotlinux> lol neither I still only use gedit :(
[08:39]  * AlanBell is with directhex in the nano camp
[08:42] <Laney> dd
[08:43] <knightwise> anyone know if the nexus 7 is available in the UK yett ?
[08:45] <directhex> couple of weeks
[08:45] <directhex> "SHIPS SOON
[08:45] <directhex> Ships in 2 - 3 weeks."
[08:45] <directhex> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_8gb&feature=single-wide-banner
[08:46] <Laney> I definitely need to upgrade my computer
[08:47] <directhex> Laney, add moar rams! and a sheep.
[08:47] <Laney> 4G of RAM and an e6600 don't cut it these days
[08:47] <gnuisnotlinux> what can nano do though?
[08:47] <gnuisnotlinux> just edit and write textr?
[08:47] <directhex> gnuisnotlinux, pretty much.
[08:47] <directhex> Laney, core 7 extreme edition!
[08:48] <directhex> Laney, sadly, due to an intel pricing quirk, upgrading my CPU will cost more than £400 - cheaper to replace the motherboard and cpu at the same time
[08:49] <Laney> due to a bundle?
[08:49] <directhex> Laney, due to an obscure "enthusiast" socket type
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:49] <Laney> unfortunately my cash stream has to be diverted to the "somewhere to live" fund for the near future
[08:49] <directhex> Laney, every generation now, intel sell consumer versions of xeon, on xeon sockets. was socket 1366 when i bought, is now socket 2011
[08:50] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: what do you require?
[08:50] <directhex> which are the enthusiast/xeon versions of 1156 and 1155 respectively
[08:50] <Laney> man, i stopped paying attention to this stuff when i did this upgrade
[08:50] <Laney> which must have been 2008 :o
[08:51] <directhex> sounds about right
[08:51] <Laney> after some so-and-so decided that my laptop would be better of being his laptop
[08:52] <Laney> off
[08:52] <directhex> my choice of CPUs for this motherboard is http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=2958
[08:57] <diplo> Laney: Im the same, way out of the loop on hardware now :(
[08:58] <Laney> just have to stick your head far enough out to get your bearings every 5 years, then go back into hiding
[09:04] <MooDoo> Hello All
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:29] <oimon> why, if top is reporting that thunderbird is using 30-60% of cpu, but the system is only reporting 7% usage overall?
[09:34] <Pr0ph3t> Hi all
[09:41] <dwatkins> oimon: where is the 7% reported? loadavg? w?
[09:42] <andylockran> howdy all!
[09:42]  * andylockran is slowly turning into a PHP Dev :p
[09:44] <dwatkins> sounds fun, andylockran
[09:44] <dwatkins> and good morning
[09:44] <gord> oimon: 30-60% of one core
[09:44] <gord> oimon: 7% over all cores
[09:44] <gord> my guess
[09:54] <arsen> the key to understanding vim/vi is to remove nano ;p
[10:10] <AlanBell> arsen: I used to have a test of software back in the pre-gui days, if I couldn't figure out how to close it in under a minute it failed the test.
[10:11] <arsen> lol
[10:11] <arsen> i dont doubt that vi/vim are backwrads
[10:11] <arsen> im a big nano fan, but i think its important to be able to use vi/vim
[10:12] <arsen> i wish i knew more of the in depth shortcuts that would make me more productive in both tbh
[10:13] <AlanBell> I have encountered it sufficient times to know colon w q is the answer (or :q! to quit without saving I think) and i to get into insert mode
[10:13] <arsen> :)
[10:14] <arsen> well theres lots of built shortcuts ive seen some serious experts use which makes them work through stuff incredibly quickly
[10:14] <arsen> but im not sure i have the spare time to sit down and put it into practice in my regular use. nano is just wordpad via CLI which makes it naturally logical to use.
[10:14] <diplo> It's great, I don't know many of the commands
[10:15] <diplo> Shift a end of line
[10:15] <diplo> :set nu
[10:15] <diplo> Set numbered lines etc
[10:15] <diplo> o to append to a line, loads of 'Cheat Sheets' out there
[10:15] <arsen> it just doesnt really follow my brain logic sadly, shift A i can't relate to end of line etc
[10:16] <diplo> What I used to have beside my screen until the ones I used daily sunk in
[10:16] <diplo> Benefit is though as people have mentioned before is that vi is installed on just about every *nix variant I've been on, which you can't say for the others
[10:16] <diplo> So a little knowledge goes far
[10:18] <arsen> yeah, thats why i say it's important to udnerstand the basics.
[10:25] <popey> AlanBell, i bought a pocket vi guide from amazon for a couple of quid last week
[10:26] <popey> i should keep it on my desk with my pocket python book
[10:26] <gord> learning vim isn't too bad if you just write down everything you want to do on a post-it and put it on your monitor
[10:27] <gord> then its all about forcing yourself not to do things the dumb slow way and do it the fast vim way until it becomes second nature
[10:27] <diplo> yeah exactly what I had to do on AIX in my initial days
[10:28] <diplo> We weren't aloud to install anything on the box, so it was vi vi or vi
[10:29] <Daviey> popey: surely, by definition, you should keep it in your pocket?
[10:29] <popey> i have no pockets that size
[10:29] <Daviey> then the fix is to buy clothes with bigger pockets.. not work around the issue.
[10:29] <gord> saying all that, i never did get used to jkl; - i understand the concept, but i think the concept is based on being able to type properly. i rock my own style of typing and basically just use my index finger on my right hand and sometimes if that finger is busy the second finger
[10:29] <popey> also gedit ftw
[10:31] <Daviey> I genuinely prefer my vim setup to using gedit... Not to mention i can get the same experience over ssh as i can locally
[10:32] <gord> Daviey: seen, http://www.sublimetext.com/ ? those demos on the main site there are tempting me to swich from vim to a gui editor. seems like all the useful parts of vim + useful parts of gui
[10:36] <Daviey> gord: doesn't look compelling enough to be payware?
[10:36] <gord> Daviey: well its nagware, you get a nag screen until you pay but otherwise fully functional
[11:09] <andylockran> heya all
[11:12] <brobostigon> hi andylockran
[11:15] <andylockran> howdy brobostigon -  how goes things?
[11:15] <brobostigon> andylockran: not bad, my dermatologist to see later. not bad. and you?
[11:58] <gord> all these "hey this website uses cookies like every other website in the world" things are getting a bit annoying
[11:59] <directhex> gord, yep, but it's legally required to show that message
[12:00] <AlanBell> and if you say no, they can't drop a cookie to say you have already seen it \o/
[12:00] <AlanBell> silly laws are silly
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> directhex: in the Netherlands they even have to ask permission to set cookies
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> as if browsers didn't have that feature..
[12:02] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it is a european regulation
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: some countries implemented it more strictly than others
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the ask-for-permission bit isn't required by Europe, but the computerphobes in the Dutch parliament thought it was necessary
[12:10] <AlanBell> yeah, good job the web works like that isn't it
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> Most sites are ignoring it
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> The regulatory body (OPTA, think OFCOM) said it won't enforce the rule because they have more important things to do or something
[12:11] <AlanBell> the european regulation requires all the national governments to create legislation that implements the regulation, which is why all the countries do something similar but different
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> It's still the wrong way to do it
[12:51] <diplo> directhex: Rather than reply on twitter
[12:51] <diplo> My mum has issues with sleeping and has been given this headband thing with speakers of sorts in there
[12:52] <diplo> No in ear part, can't get make/model if you are interested
[12:53] <directhex> mmm, worth a look
[12:53] <diplo> kk, will see her at 4pm or can text her now if you want ?
[12:54] <directhex> in-ear is kinda okay, it just needs to be secured some other way. in-ear buds are secured by resting behind a small ridge of cartilage which sticks up. in my ears the ridge sticks sideways not up, so there's nothing for ear buds to rest behind
[12:54] <directhex> i guess rubber plug style might work, i haven't wanted to "invest" to try though
[12:55] <diplo> heh, these are the only things she has felt comfortable with so far, look a bit of a .... but they work according to her
[13:32]  * Laney just got attacked by swans
[13:32] <Laney> greedy beggars
[14:08] <oimon> gord, dwatkins i only have 2 cores...something is reporting wrongly methinks
[14:09] <gord> oimon: two cores with hyperthreading?
[14:09] <dwatkins> oimon: how do the numbers compare in top?
[14:10] <oimon> i imght try a reboot
[14:10] <oimon> firefox and tbird are consuming all cpu
[14:10] <oimon> even just showing the google page kills cpu
[14:13] <oimon> ksoftirqd is v busy
[14:15] <directhex> leap second bug!
[14:21] <oimon> directhex, oh, you're not joking :-\
[14:21] <directhex> oimon, am i ever?
[14:22] <oimon> date -s "`date`"
[14:23] <oimon> my machines been a pig all day
[14:23] <oimon> i was on holiday last week
[14:23] <oimon> so i missed this story
[14:25] <oimon> was there a furore about this?
[14:26] <directhex> hell yes
[14:26] <directhex> one VPS provider had their power consumption jump by a *megawatt* to deal with all the bugged VMs
[14:28] <oimon> didn't see anything about it on my g+ feed :-\
[14:28] <oimon> i had no mobile contact all week
[14:43] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, we got mails from hetzner asking us to check and reboot our machines, but they all seemed fine
[16:08] <andylockran> hey all
[16:16] <bigcalm> popey: have you ever had your webcam do this? http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/webcam/webcam.jpg
[16:17] <bigcalm> Grr, fixed itself
[16:17] <bigcalm> Something wrong with it though
[17:05] <ok_> testing
[17:08] <bigcalm> It's doing it again! http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/webcam/webcam.jpg
[17:11] <kirrus> top
[17:11] <kirrus> argh, wrong shell :/
[18:21] <ali1234> bigcalm: my camera does that sometime too, i think it's a bug in the kernel
[18:22] <ali1234> but when mine does it it also goes green and/or pink
[18:22] <ali1234> that appears to be greyscale
[20:09] <ali1234> clouds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgl0Z8Gjd8
[20:09] <Azelphur> yay clouds.
[20:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: that racing game your playing with looks quite fun :D
[20:11]  * bigcalm returns
[20:11] <ali1234> some day i will finish it
[20:11] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:11] <ali1234> but i've been working on it for over 10 years now
[20:11] <ali1234> ogre didn't even exist when i started
[20:11] <Azelphur> sounds like a duke nukem forever situation
[20:12] <ali1234> pretty much
[20:12] <swattor> evening all
[20:13] <swattor> they did finish duke nukem though didn't they?
[20:13] <swattor> just wasn't... that good.
[20:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: if you ever do finish it, I can provide server space :p
[20:13] <ali1234> it's not an online game :)
[20:13] <Azelphur> aww :(
[20:14] <ali1234> unless we all have super low latency internet by the time i finish it
[20:14] <Azelphur> who knows xD
[20:14] <ali1234> the original game makes CS surfing look tame, seriously
[20:16] <Azelphur> haha
[20:16] <ali1234> eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dcPiEgwymY
[20:16] <ali1234> yes, he's intentionally falling off to get a speed boost
[20:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, that is indeed pretty fast
[20:19] <ali1234> given you go at 3000 km/h, 50ms latency gives an error of 40 meters
[20:20] <ali1234> and your ship is only about 10 meters long
[20:20] <ali1234> so forget collision detection in online multiplayer
[20:20] <ali1234> just isn't going to happen
[20:21] <Azelphur> haha, indeed
[20:21] <ali1234> the game has to use fixed timestep at 200 updates per second just to not explode horribly
[20:21] <ali1234> i think original quake had an internal clock of 15 fps
[20:23] <ali1234> udp broadcast network games are a possibility though
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: UDP still has the same latency issues doesn't it?
[20:23] <ali1234> not 50ms
[20:24] <ali1234> 50ms is good for internet, it's terrible for LAN
[20:24] <Azelphur> that's interesting, didn't realise UDP was that much faster
[20:24] <ali1234> it isn't, there's just no hops on a LAN
[20:24] <Azelphur> but yea most time sensitive games use UDP
[20:24] <Azelphur> ah
[20:24] <Azelphur> so it'd be "instant"
[20:24] <Azelphur> but only in a LAN
[20:25] <ali1234> if i ping my modem, RTT is 0.5ms
[20:25] <ali1234> if i ping game.azelphur.com RTT is 100ms
[20:25] <Azelphur> I get 0.36 :P
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw did I tell you I got the source for the recon
[20:26] <ali1234> oh yeah?
[20:26] <Azelphur> yea
[20:26] <Azelphur> got it at like 3am last night havn't looked at it much yet
[20:26] <Azelphur> but yea, fun fun
[20:26] <Azelphur> python decompiles very nicely :D
[20:41] <Azelphur> I keep getting this really annoying issue with gedit where my text cursor disappears
[20:42] <Azelphur> it's still functional, I can click somewhere and type, but I have no indication whatsoever of where I'm typing :(
[20:42] <Azelphur> have to keep opening and closing gedit to fix it, very annoying
[20:44] <bigcalm> Can you get webcam to store locally without having to make a connection to another machine (even if it's localhost)?
[20:44] <Azelphur> bigcalm: you mean you want to record from your webcam?
[20:44] <ali1234> don't use webcam
[20:44] <bigcalm> Azelphur: webcam is a package in usc
[20:45] <Azelphur> uhh
[20:45] <ali1234> actually i don;t know what to use instead
[20:45] <bigcalm> ali1234: not really my question
[20:45] <ali1234> i used guvcview which records to mjpeg
[20:45] <ali1234> but you can't set the framerate in that
[20:46] <ali1234> you can set local in webcam.conf
[20:46] <ali1234> check the manual page
[20:56] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM-E2f6i2OE :D
[20:58] <bigcalm> webcam didn't have this video problem on the laptop
[21:15]  * bigcalm tickles popey_
[21:15] <popey_> bah
[21:16] <popey_> my virgin box seems to be crap with wifi
[21:16] <popey_> and my non-virgin router doesn't do bridging
[21:16] <popey_> which is annoying
[21:16] <bigcalm> Boo
[21:16] <gord> i also setup my webcam to watch the skies today, now we can all record the boring grey english skies  together!
[21:16] <popey_> \o/
[21:16] <popey_> we should setup a page on ubuntu-uk.org with all our webcams on it
[21:16] <bigcalm> That sounds like a splendid idea
[21:17] <bigcalm> Grey skies of the UK
[21:17] <gord> then suggest the torism board promote our webcams
[21:19] <dwatkins> ...and an image of my rat cage
[21:19] <gord> YES rat cage cam is *essential*
[21:20] <dwatkins> Roger Wilco
[21:20] <bigcalm> I wish I had a pet I could put a radio camera on for a day
[21:20] <dwatkins> so long as there are drivers for my IR-filter-less Logitech Quickcam for 11.04
[21:20] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I have a radio camera, it's terrible quality ;)
[21:21] <bigcalm> dwatkins: not surprised :)
[21:22] <bigcalm> Reminds me of the episode of Drop the Dead Donkey where they strap a radio camera to a badger with somebody's belt
[21:22] <dwatkins> It transmits a black and white image, even from very near-by it's very grainy, although it is a vew years old - I imagine with a pair of xbees you could do something much better now.
[21:22] <dwatkins> hehe, that series was very funny
[21:22] <dwatkins> they always seemed to have the occasional really up-to-date joke, too
[21:31] <zleap> ah i tried that from the hack a day site (remove ir filter from webcam)
[21:31] <zleap> it failed
[21:34] <bigcalm> libv4l2: error dequeuing buf: Input/output error
[21:34] <bigcalm> v4l2: read: Input/output error
[21:34] <bigcalm> capturing image failed
[21:34] <bigcalm> iain@proliant:~$
[21:34] <bigcalm> Would be nice if it were to restart if it dies like that
[21:34]  * bigcalm tries a different webcam
[21:50] <dwatkins> boo, silly webcam
[22:12] <Twinkletoes|H> Anyone suitkl awake>?
[22:12] <Twinkletoes|H> still awake even?
[22:15] <Twinkletoes|H> Nagios in repos, is v3.2.  Nagios built from source is v3.4... and the change logs shows lots of bug fixes done between the two versions.  Which one is most sensible to use?  I normally stick with the repos, but is there any need?
[22:17] <ali1234> as soon as you stop using the repo version you have to baby sit it yourself
[22:17] <ali1234> manual updates, bug fixes etc
[22:17] <ali1234> it all becomes your job
[22:17] <ali1234> so don't do it unless you really need some feature that is only in the latest version
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: There was just such a lot of changes since 3.2 and 3.4 that I've been wondering if the 3.2 is ok to use or not?
[22:18] <ali1234> it's fine
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: Ok.
[22:18] <ali1234> if it wasn't they wouldn't put it in the repos
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> Thank you :)
[22:18] <ali1234> if there was a security bug fixed in 3.4 they would backport the fix to 3.2
[22:18] <ali1234> that's the idea anyway
[22:19] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: good point
[22:19] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: I suffer from always wanting the latest and greatest - it's bnad of me - I know
[22:20] <ali1234> put it this way
[22:20] <ali1234> if a security bug is found, ubuntu developers will probably have backported it before you have patched your local version
[22:20] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: Yeah
[22:21] <ali1234> and quite possibly before you even find out about it
[22:22]  * Twinkletoes|H has installed form the repos now
[22:22] <Twinkletoes|H> I know the error of my thinking now :)
[22:25] <Laney> wow
[22:26] <Laney> it just started raining really heavily
[22:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Kelly and Luke  a sneak preview - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/07/09/kelly-and-luke-a-sneak-preview/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=kelly-and-luke-a-sneak-preview
[23:32] <ali1234> Azelphur: i updated to precise and clinfo now segfaults. any ideas?
[23:33] <ali1234> it was working with precise beta (or alpha)
[23:33] <Azelphur> clinfo?
[23:33] <ali1234> yes, opencl
[23:33] <ali1234> any opencl program now segfaults in libc
[23:33] <ali1234> [ 2148.375862] clinfo[10699]: segfault at fffffffffffffff8 ip 00007f78965acbc3 sp 00007fff05e01ca8 error 6 in libstdc++.so.6.0.16[7f789650e000+e2000]
[23:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: I had an issue recently where I did an update and then had issues with opengl, rebooting fixed it
[23:33] <Azelphur> dumb answer, but may work
[23:34] <ali1234> i already rebooted
[23:34] <ali1234> like 100 times
[23:35] <Azelphur> no idea then, weird


[00:00] <lpotter> I think its wpa_supplicant that scans.
[00:00] <faenil> dobey: exactly (still, if you haven't scanned for 1h, please don't show the same APs, just refresh when I open the indicator..)
[00:01] <dobey> anyway, i suppose i should go do something else now
[00:01] <faenil> awe_: when you have time to have a look at the WiFi discussion above, please let me know if it's all under control or you want me to file bug and post logs etc...I didn't hear back from you about the ESSID issue anymore :)
[00:01] <faenil> dobey: yeah, and I should really go to bed :)
[00:01] <dobey> :)
[00:01] <faenil> it seems like the test is not flaky anymore, 800 runs without failure so far...
[00:02] <faenil> (last words...)
[00:03] <faenil> night o/
[00:06] <awe_> faenil, please no more bugs...
[00:06] <awe_> ;D
[00:06] <awe_> yea, so just read the bt
[00:07] <lpotter> thats an old one
[00:07] <lpotter> :)
[00:07] <awe_> the dialog problem unfortunately is not going to be fixed unless the product team says so
[00:07] <awe_> as it requires investigation, ux design, ...
[00:07] <awe_> as promised
[00:07] <awe_> I made sure it's on the list
[00:08] <awe_> regarding some of the other issues
[00:08] <awe_> I'm working on it as we speak
[00:08] <awe_> unfortunately I'm not free to self-assign myself to any task I'd like to
[00:08] <awe_> so I'd been recently working on bluez for snappy
[00:08] <awe_> then I went on vacation
[00:09] <awe_> I'm back, and NM is my favorite project atm
[00:09] <lpotter> why would iwlist wlan0 scan not show AP's sometimes?
[00:09] <awe_> use iw
[00:09] <awe_> iwlist is old
[00:09] <awe_> it also depends on the drivers
[00:09] <awe_> the best tools to look at available APs
[00:09] <awe_> are wpa_cli ( run as root )
[00:09] <awe_> and nmcli
[00:10] <awe_> one of the issues with the version of NM that we use, is that NM keeps a separate accounting of APs
[00:10] <lpotter> dont that all go through wpa_supplicant?
[00:10] <awe_> ( ie. it maintains it's own available list )
[00:10] <awe_> yes
[00:10] <awe_> so wpa_s
[00:10] <awe_> responds to NM's requests to scan
[00:11] <awe_> and if/when NM decides to connect to an AP
[00:11] <awe_> it tells wpa_s to do so
[00:11] <awe_> but the issue was in the past, there were issues with a lot wifi drivers
[00:11] <awe_> especially around hidden APs
[00:12] <lpotter> hudden AP should be banned
[00:12] <lpotter> hidden
[00:12] <awe_> believe me, alot of things should be banned
[00:13] <awe_> anyways, we believe there's a condition where NM thinks that wpa_supplicant has roamed, and if is timed poorly, NM can hang
[00:13] <awe_> and it will stop scanning
[00:15] <awe_> faenil, so... I don't mean I'm not interested in the other specifics, but at the moment I'm trying to size up the effort to upgrade NM to a newer release, which includes a major re-write of the WiFi scanning logic
[02:15] <muka> has tethering been fixed for mako?
[02:33] <punkunity> might need some help in the near future
[02:34] <punkunity> posted a couple hours ago
[03:30] <punkunity> so ok
[03:30] <punkunity> i am using M8 as my device
[03:30] <punkunity> trying to port over Ubuntu Touch
[03:30] <punkunity> Ubuntu says it uses cm-10.2 aka 4.4.2 android for the wrapper or whatever
[03:31] <punkunity> I am using th ehtc one m8, which I believe came out during jellybean
[03:31] <punkunity> there are a few errors i am concerned about
[03:31] <punkunity> dtb tool, linux/include/msm_ion.h and a few others
[03:31] <punkunity> i have ported many roms for quite a few devices for android
[03:34] <punkunity> https://zerobin.net/?7cf46e1affcf21e3#ZJvaSDVcLdZ760moMJEjicPmG7A+jWcLMY/Nx/O+JGc=
[03:34] <punkunity> out/host/linux-x86/bin/dtbTool', needed by `/home/punkunity/android/phablet/phablet/out/target/product/m8/dt.img'.  Stop.
[03:34] <punkunity> to summarize
[03:41] <punkunity> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[03:41] <punkunity> using this guide
[03:42] <punkunity> and am now trying to just make a \n image for a suported, woking device
[03:42] <punkunity> what jdk/jre version should i be using
[03:42] <punkunity> sytem wifde?
[03:43] <punkunity> so trying to build for mako aka nexus 4
[03:43] <punkunity> and it fails pretty quick
[03:43] <punkunity> an di thought this was supported, ready to build device?
[03:43] <punkunity> what am i doing wrong?
[03:57] <Stanley00> punkunity: I'm not sure, mako has an build-image, so there may be some guides for mako.
[07:10] <morphis> ogra_: ping
[08:08] <Tm_T> bah, no luck
[08:08] <Tm_T> when trying to do ubuntu-device-flash touch, I get "device cannot be detected over adb"
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: did you unloack your device
[08:09] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: it doesn't fully boot
[08:10] <Tm_T> I can use fastboot to reboot the device for example, but can't get any other control it seems
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: sounds like adb cant see the device, did you install those android tools
[08:10] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: yes
[08:10] <Tm_T> $ adb devices
[08:10] <Tm_T> List of devices attached
[08:10] <Tm_T> 75HACL6UHG82    device
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> ah it shows good
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> then you need to enter to the bootloader or something
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> adb reboot something..cant recall :p
[08:11] <Tm_T> hmmm, will try fastboot mode, but I suspect it isn't any better as there's no adb access then whatsoever
[08:12] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: thing is, none of the adb commands get through
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: you enabled usb debugging too right?
[08:14] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: where, how?
[08:14] <Tm_T> I've flashed this device successfully before (:
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: what you get when you: adb reboot bootloader ?
[08:15] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: I get fastboot mode
[08:16] <Tm_T> and then there's no adb available
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: how about sudo fastboot oem unlock
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[08:17] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: I'm unsure how that would help, this is Meizu ubuntu device, but I can try (:
[08:18] <Tm_T> FAILED (remote: unknown command)
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: isnt there like a button combo that resets your device to original?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> or did something corrupt your image
[08:20] <Tm_T> OTA update to RC did break this, yes (:
[08:20] <Tm_T> there's "recovery mode" in meizu ubuntu edition that doesn't seem to do anything
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[08:20] <Tm_T> I'll try one more thing
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: is it the mx 4?
[08:21] <Tm_T> yes
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/672185/reinstalling-ubuntu-touch-on-the-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition
[08:21] <Tm_T> I'll try --bootstrap if that would make things different
[08:22] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: ye I try avoid doing those windows-based things
[08:22] <Tm_T> as I have no such thing available (:
[08:22] <Tm_T> and have zero interest having
[08:23] <Tm_T> oh, there's support for other platforms too?
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> seems like it
[08:23] <Tm_T> interesting, will try that too then, thanks
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> np
[08:23] <Tm_T> flu doesn't help maintaining patience (:
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah got one too
[08:24] <Tm_T> --bootstrap does seem to do something
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> not alot of usefull guides for the mx out there grr
[08:31] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: I noticed that
[08:40] <Tm_T> flashing failed, recovery mode is broken?
[09:02] <mcphail> Tm_T: have you installed an adb-enabled recovery image?
[09:03] <Tm_T> mcphail: I have what I have from canonical/meizu + flashed rc image once
[09:04] <mcphail> Tm_T: the default recovery doesn't have adb enabled
[09:04] <Tm_T> hmm, default recovery does what?
[09:06] <mcphail> Tm_T: the default recovery really just lets you boot the phone, I think. If you have the adb-anabled recovery you can use that along with the --bootstrap command to perform a full wipe and reinstall
[09:06] <Tm_T> mcphail: default recovery lets boot the phone to some specific state where user can do something?
[09:07] <Tm_T> currently it doesn't allow me to do anything
[09:08] <mcphail> yes - if you're locked out you'll need to flash from fastboot using the --bootstrap command (which will fully wipe the phone). See https://wiki.edubuntu.org/QATeam/ChannelsToFlash
[09:09] <mcphail> Tm_T: that is what I had to do after a little adventure using the -devel channels on the bq, but I've seen other people on here having to do the same thing with the meizu
[09:10] <Tm_T> mcphail: so I flash recovery.img first?
[09:10] <mcphail> Tm_T: I don't think you actually have to flash it, if you specifiy it n the command line as per that webpage. i _did_ flash it though
[09:11] <Tm_T> mcphail: interesting, I'll give it a go
[09:11] <mcphail> Tm_T: the important thing is to make sure you're booted into fastboot (rather than recovery) before you start the process
[09:12] <Tm_T> but I still don't understand what's the purpose of default recovery mode is and how it is supposed to work
[09:12] <Tm_T> mcphail: ye, bootloader that is
[09:13] <mcphail> Tm_T: sturmflut has made an excellent series of blog posts about the low-level stuff on the bq phone, which is worth a read if you're wondering about what all these things actually do on Ubuntu devices
[09:14] <mcphail> Tm_T: I think adb has been removed from the consumer recovery images for security concerns
[09:14] <davmor2> Tm_T: see mailing list
[09:14] <Tm_T> mcphail: I think there's some variation between BQ and Meizu
[09:14] <Tm_T> davmor2: thanks
[09:14] <mcphail> Tm_T: yep. I don't think the meizu has been as well explored as the bq
[09:15] <Tm_T> davmor2: I get the same error still, no access to recovery mode
[09:16] <Tm_T> $ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --bootstrap --recovery-image Downloads/recovery.img
[09:17] <davmor2> Tm_T: Unplug the device, press power and hold till it turns off, then press power then quickly volume down to enter into fastboot mode then try again
[09:17] <Tm_T> davmor2: I'm doing it like that, yes
[09:17] <davmor2> Are you unplugging it
[09:18] <Tm_T> it begins the process fine, then it boots to recovery mode and waits timeout to spit error
[09:18] <Tm_T> davmor2: yes
[09:18] <Tm_T> because without unplugging it doesn't get fastboot connection
[09:18] <Tm_T> Flashing version 10 from ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device arale
[09:18] <Tm_T> Failed to enter Recovery
[09:19] <mcphail> Tm_T: when it reboots to recovery, have you then tried the "boot device" entry on the menu?
[09:19] <Tm_T> what menu, there's no menu
[09:19] <Tm_T> there's nothing except ubuntu logo
[09:19] <mcphail> big or small?
[09:20] <Tm_T> thumbnail size
[09:20] <mcphail> have you left it to work for a few minutes?
[09:21] <Tm_T> yes
[09:21] <Tm_T> even hours before, I've never seen anything useful in Meizu recovery mode
[09:22] <mcphail> you don't get a menu in the recovery?
[09:22] <davmor2> Tm_T: Okay try the following.  Drop the device into fastboot, in the terminal type fastboot flash recovery recovery.img and then try the ubuntu-device-flash command again
[09:22] <Tm_T> davmor2: thanks, will try that (:
[09:23] <davmor2> mcphail: it's a issue with mx4 it enters recovery but slow so times out the adb session
[09:23] <mcphail> aah
[09:24] <mcphail> On the bq I have to press the "volume up" button to go from the Ubuntu logo to the menu in recovery
[09:27] <Tm_T> davmor2: recovery flash seemed to go in just fine, trying ubuntu-device-flash now
[09:27] <mcphail> Tm_T: if it sticks at the Ubuntu logo again, try pressing "Vol up" to see if that works on the meizu
[09:28] <Tm_T> mcphail: nope, never had
[09:28] <Tm_T> davmor2: no luck
[09:28] <mcphail> :(
[09:28] <Tm_T> adb still doesn't see the device, flash tool still spits out the same error
[09:29] <mcphail> Tm_T: can you connect with adb now when the device is in recovery mode? Just a simple "adb shell"?
[09:31] <Tm_T> mcphail: no
[09:31] <Tm_T> I managed to adb say the device is there but offline
[09:31] <mcphail> hmm. Sounds like you're getting close to having this working
[09:32] <Tm_T> ooooh now we're getting somewhere
[09:32] <Tm_T> when it failed again, I fiddled with it and "adb devices" listed the device in recovery
[09:33] <Tm_T> then "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --device arale"
[09:33] <mcphail> sounds promising
[09:33] <Tm_T> .... and now we're "2016/02/25 11:33:07 Rebooting into recovery to flash
[09:34] <Tm_T> so with good timing one can get that working it seems
[09:34] <Tm_T> worth documenting
[09:34] <mcphail> Tm_T: I usually get a "failed to enter recovery" error at that point, but it can be ignored
[09:34]  * lotuspsychje brings out the fireworks
[09:35] <Tm_T> it's booting up...
[09:35] <mcphail> ...
[09:35]  * mcphail crosses fingers
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[09:37] <Tm_T> it's up, and I don't see any data lost
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> !!!!
[09:37] <mcphail> !yay | Tm_T
[09:37] <ubot5`> Tm_T: Glad you made it! :-)
[09:37] <Tm_T> thanks mcphail lotuspsychje and davmor2
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> so what did the trick now?
[09:38] <Tm_T> flashing the recovery mode + timing
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> right
[09:38] <Tm_T> apparently that adb in recovery mode is online only for a short time
[09:38] <Tm_T> so you have to retry flashing with correct timing
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: maybe you can file a bug and solve it right away for future reference?
[09:38] <Tm_T> lotuspsychje: ye, that too
[09:39] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: sounds like the known problem davmor2 mentioned above
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: yeah
[09:40] <davmor2> timing is out of our hands unfortunately plays up more on usb3 and certain usb leads over other and the list of parameters goes on but you get the hint
[09:40] <Tm_T> davmor2: ye, I understand
[11:00] <robin-hero> hey all
[11:01] <robin-hero> I've found this pic on trello in Unity8 landing for OTA-10: http://picpaste.com/pics/indicator-FMruC8JY.1456397893.png
[11:01] <robin-hero> What is this blue color and the new toggles. Is this a new theme for OTA-10?
[11:02] <Tm_T> ka, elisa
[11:28] <davmor2> robin-hero: voodoo
[11:28] <robin-hero> davmor2, ?
[11:29] <davmor2> robin-hero: the blue and new toggles, you asked what it is, it is voodoo :P
[11:30] <robin-hero> davmor 2, Thanks, but I'd really appreciate if somebody explain the real situation :P
[11:30] <sakrecoer_> too bad it is not #009bf9 would match ubuntustudio :p
[11:32] <davmor2> robin-hero: :D  man you just want the moon on a stick don't you :D
[11:32] <sakrecoer_> could someone please tell me where can i find what the OTA-10 adressed? :)
[11:33] <davmor2> sakrecoer_: ota10 isn't released yet
[11:33] <sakrecoer_> well, i got a 40mb package yesterday that said OTA-10 (o.O)
[11:33] <robin-hero> sakrecoer_, that was OTA-9.1
[11:33] <sakrecoer_> or rather, it said "ubuntu 10"..
[11:34] <robin-hero> a hotfix release
[11:34] <Tm_T> davmor2: you clearly need a crystal ball
[11:34] <sakrecoer_> ok :)
[11:34] <davmor2> sakrecoer_: no it said image 10 if you open system settings and click on about  is will say OTA-9.1
[11:34] <sakrecoer_> maybe, i did it now, don't know how to check again
[11:34] <robin-hero> davmor2, why is this that hard to answer my question? :D
[11:35] <sakrecoer_> i'm pretty impressed i must say
[11:35] <davmor2> sakrecoer_: the image number is sequential so we can't change that 9.1 is a tag we can modify so we know the image you are actually on
[11:36] <davmor2> robin-hero: because I know nothing about it
[11:38] <sakrecoer_> ah yeah! found it! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-9.1 hehe. i actualy need to write one for ubuntustudio beta1 so i will learn from you
[11:39] <sakrecoer_> one=release note article
[11:40] <jibel> robin-hero, yes it's the new theme for OTA10
[11:41] <robin-hero> jibel, \o/ and can I see some other screenshots somewhere?
[11:42] <jibel> robin-hero, I don't have any, but you can install the silo :)
[11:42] <jibel> or wait until it lands in rc-proposed
[11:43] <robin-hero> jibel, OK :)
[11:46] <vill> The lack of documentation hurts. Half of the links in the porting wiki are broken
[12:32] <elijah> hola, anyone know of any individual working on a port to Nexus 6? Can't find anything easily on the tubes.
[12:34] <mcphail> elijah: you can vote with a donation at https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[12:34] <elijah> mcphail: ahh, that is the site I saw the other day, thank you!
[12:38] <elijah> So, I have a Nexus 6 that crashes once a day, even in safe mode which is the catalyst reason I want to move to Ubuntu Touch (my daily driver is 14.04). Now, it may crash the same in UT too but that is yet to be seen. I can sacrifice this device and try to get a Nexus 5 so I can run UT on it. Do you think my Nexus 6 that is in good condition other than the
[12:38] <elijah> fact it crashes once a day would be accepted as a debug/test device?
[12:38] <nik90> charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1549783
[12:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1549783 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Indicator shows "Tomorrow" for an alarm happening today when checked after midnight" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:41] <mcphail> elijah: I think it would be one of those things you'd never know until you started working with the device. If there is a major hardware problem, it is going to be incredibly frustraing working with the device. However, I suspect mariogrip would be very pleased to get hold of a device to try hacking it
[12:43] <elijah> mcphail: Yah, just saw the page to donate devices, emailing @mariogrip now
[12:44] <mcphail> elijah: he's usually active on this channel as well, although I suspect he might be at MWC showing off his devices ;)
[12:48] <elijah> mcphail: Fun
[12:51] <elijah> mcphail: Interestingly, @mariogrip is the one who gave me some hope with the switch because he posted something showing Project Fi working on a Nexus 5 with Ubuntu Touch. I thought it was interesting that he was also leading the UBPorts project!
[12:51] <mcphail> elijah: I get the feeling he is some kind of godlike genius
[12:51] <elijah> mcphail: I also would like to eventually help developing for the platform/OS
[12:52] <elijah> mcphail: Maybe a little bit of that but probably just someone who has surpassed 10,000 hours ;)
[12:52] <mcphail> :)
[12:53] <elijah> mcphail: Oh, I stand corrected, it wasn't @mariogrip with the project Fi, it was Ian Santopietro -> https://plus.google.com/+IanSantopietro/posts/5HjpzEKtLG5
[12:54] <peat-psuwit> abeato: I've pushed new version of code fixing formatting issue. Could you please have a look again?
[12:54] <elijah> Either way, I welcome the pain that will come with switching
[12:54] <abeato> peat-psuwit, sure
[13:50] <slvn_> Hello, I am looking for someone who can give a try to my .click app/game before I uploaded to the store.
[13:50] <slvn_> This is an update of an existing app. I want to see if it works because I have no ubuntu device.
[13:51] <slvn_> preferably, I'd like to know if it's still work with device with ota 8. let me know if you can try it.
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> slvn_: there is an ubuntu-touch emulator out there you can install
[13:52] <slvn_> lotuspsychje,  this is for final testing, I would prefer a real device. I have already use to the build bot marvin, to make sure it starts. but just want a double check.
[14:49] <jgdx> mzanetti, hey, are you going to use QSystemInfo 5.5 now in the shell, or are you waiting for something in the uitk?
[14:49] <mzanetti> jgdx, "something in uitk"? Not sure what you mean. I'm going to use QSysteminfo 5.5, yes
[14:50] <jgdx> mzanetti, yeah, ken said the uitk was exposing abilities in the uitk. But okay
[14:50] <_Sponge> Looks like the bq phones are getting a_lot of cover-flak from ebay.
[14:50] <mzanetti> jgdx, not really sure what that would be... except duplicating the API?
[14:50] <_Sponge> popey, Not sure if this is legit. But hey-ho . http://ebay.eu/1S3AGWa
[14:50] <mzanetti> which doesn't seem to make too much sense to me
[14:52] <jgdx> mzanetti, while on the subject, do you have a branch for u8 moving to QSystemInfo?
[14:52] <mzanetti> jgdx, not pushed somewhere yet... gimme a sec
[14:52] <jgdx> mzanetti, thx
[14:53] <mzanetti> jgdx, lp:~mzanetti/unity8/move-to-qinputinfo
[15:10] <mhall119> kenvandine: ping
[15:11] <mhall119> kenvandine: The "Wi-Fi Displays" page of System Settings is broken on Nexus 4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1549605
[15:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1549605 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Wi-Fi Displays page fails to load on Nexus 4" [Undecided,New]
[15:11] <mhall119> I'm on rc-proposed
[15:11] <mhall119> I think the package is missing some files
[15:12] <kenvandine> mhall119, huh?  Wi-Fi Displays hasn't landed....
[15:12] <kenvandine> or it wasn't supposed to have landed :)
[15:13] <mhall119> kenvandine: well....it has
[15:13] <mhall119> in system settings anyway
[15:14] <kenvandine> mhall119, do you maybe have silo 0 installed?
[15:15] <kenvandine> i don't have wifi displays on my arale
[15:15] <kenvandine> and the branch hasn't been merged
[15:15] <mhall119> I do have silo 0 installed, but I haven't apt-get upgraded in quite a while
[15:15] <davmor2> mhall119: rc-proposed or rc-proposed-pd
[15:16] <kenvandine> mhall119, it's been in silo 0 for weeks
[15:16] <mhall119> channel: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[15:17] <kenvandine> purge silo 0
[15:17] <mhall119> kenvandine: ok, maybe I did get it that way
[15:17] <kenvandine> had to have :)
[15:17] <mhall119> but I *like* silo 0, it has all the fun stuff :)
[15:17] <kenvandine> whew... /me breathes again
[15:17] <kenvandine> haha
[15:17] <mhall119> yeah, I think I got aethercastcrl from there
[15:17] <kenvandine> so my mako has silo 0, and that page loads
[15:18] <mhall119> hmm, maybe I just need to apt-get upgrade then
[15:18] <kenvandine> regardless, that code is no where near ready to land :)
[15:18] <mhall119> that's what makes it "fun stuff"
[15:18] <kenvandine> mhall119, it's taped together just enough for demo purposes :)
[15:19] <mhall119> what version of ubuntu-system-settings do you have?
[15:19] <mhall119> the overlay PPA has a newer version than silo0 it seems
[15:21] <davmor2> kenvandine: I can confirm no widi here in settings on todays rc-proposed
[15:21] <dobey> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay'.
[15:21] <dobey> The team named '~ci-train-ppa-service' has no PPA named 'ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay'
[15:21] <dobey> hmm
[15:21] <dobey> citrain seems to be unhappy
[15:22] <davmor2> kenvandine: I assume it is in the Network section like hotspot or is it in a section
[15:22] <mhall119> davmor2: it's in Wifi section
[15:23] <kenvandine> davmor2, yeah, it never landed :)
[15:23] <davmor2> kenvandine: we are right and mhall119 is wrong stick with that I'll back you up :D
[15:24] <kenvandine> :)
[15:24] <davmor2> mhall119: did you install the pocket-desktop version on your mako?
[15:24] <kenvandine> i am curious why the page isn't loading for mhall119 though
[15:24] <kenvandine> it definately should
[15:24] <mhall119> davmor2: not this one, no
[15:25] <kenvandine> silo 0 is extremely experimental, i don't think it's included in ubuntu-pd
[15:25] <mhall119> kenvandine: it's because it doesn't have the Displays component, which I assume should be in /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/wifi/aethercast/ but that whole directory doesn't exist
[15:26] <davmor2> kenvandine: ha I bet I know what it is, mhall119 will of upgraded at some point that's probably broken connections when the new image got installed
[15:26] <mhall119> that sounds likely,yeah
[15:27] <kenvandine> could be
[15:27] <kenvandine> it loads here
[15:27] <kenvandine> and i know it's been working for morphis
[15:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, warning... don't try to upgrade with silo 0 installed
[15:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, i just did, it removed the shell :/
[15:37] <kenvandine> i think it downgrades mir
[15:37]  * kenvandine wasn't paying attention and now has the google screen
[15:38] <mhall119> heh
[15:38] <kenvandine> time to flash
[15:38] <mhall119> I got very good at rebooting to recovery and flashing when I last played with silo0
[15:38] <kenvandine> i think i see why, it downgraded mir
[15:40] <mhall119> At one point I even modified the citrain tool to make me confirm the package install/upgrade/remove list instead of doing it automatically
[15:40] <mhall119> so I could check if Unity was being removed
[16:53] <Linnak> Hi, Is Uubuntu Touch java based like Android?
[16:57] <dobey> no
[17:00] <Linnak> On which smartphones does it run properly?
[17:00] <V99> bq aquaris E5 for example
[17:01] <Linnak> I mean which doesn't comes straight from factory. And a bit stronger and faster that that bq
[17:01] <dobey> there are a few retail phones available
[17:01] <dobey> the nexus4 is the development phone
[17:03] <Linnak> Thanks. It's a shame that it doesn't have an sd card slot and it's battery life is pour.
[17:04] <dobey> battery life on nexus4 is basically fine here
[17:04] <dobey> well, with ubuntu anyway
[17:04] <Linnak> Sounds good
[17:05] <dobey> you can't assume that the battery life complaints from people running android 4.2 on the nexus4 are going to be valid if you are running ubuntu
[17:05] <dobey> just the same as that battery life aren't necessarily equal between windows and ubuntu on a laptop
[17:05] <Linnak> dobey, True
[17:06] <Linnak> Do you use Ubuntu on Nexus?
[17:07] <dobey> yes
[17:07] <Linnak> Everything is fine?
[17:08] <dobey> i have a nexus4 for development; it doesn't have a SIM in it though, so perhaps a bit better battery life than with a SIM, but battery life is plenty fine on it
[17:08] <Linnak> Oh, By the way did you have you already tried the Plasma version?
[17:08] <dobey> well, my nexus4 is broken all the time, because i use it for development :)
[17:09] <dobey> i haven't, no. i don't think it maintains the same security model/policies that ubuntu does
[17:12] <Linnak> It has the same apps like on Ubuntu? It it has, is the GUI optimized for mobile phone, if it doesn't have has it an Ubuntu "app store"?
[17:14] <popey> Linnak: you'd be better asking the plasma people that one really.
[17:14] <Linnak> I'm asking Ubuntu Touch and not plasma
[17:18] <popey> oh, i misunderstood
[17:19] <k1l> Linnak: ubuntu-touch uss click packages (and will switch to snappy in the future iirc). you can use apt-get if you make your systempartition rw but that will stop getting OTA updates.
[17:20] <Linnak> Can I see somewere what kind of and how many packages are there already?
[17:21] <k1l> yes, someone made a mirror for the store. but i dont know the link right now
[17:21] <davmor2> Linnak: https://uappexplorer.com/
[17:21] <Linnak> davmor2, tHANK YOU
[17:25] <P_E_T_O> hi, can you help me? cp: cannot create regular file ‘/usr/share/locale-langpack/sk/LC_MESSAGES/ubuntu-system-settings.mo’: Read-only file system
[17:25] <P_E_T_O> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[17:26] <mcphail> P_E_T_O: if you want to modify anything under /usr/, you have to make the root mountpoint rw rather than ro. This is not generally recommended, and can affect future updates
[17:27] <P_E_T_O> mcphail: then how can i test my translated locale?
[17:27] <mcphail> P_E_T_O: you can remount rw and accept the risks ;) - your phone can always be reflashed if it breaks...
[17:28] <P_E_T_O> mcphail: sudo mount -o remount,rw '/usr'  -- will work?
[17:28] <mcphail> P_E_T_O: "sudo mount -o remount,rw /" is the command, iirc
[17:38] <P_E_T_O> mcphail: thanks it works :) and for the translation i need just .mo file? can you help me?
[18:00] <mhall119> mariogrip: have you had a chance to document those kernel issue yet? I'd really like to get that info to the Fairphone guys to look at head of our next call
[18:26] <ba2095> Hi, guys! I have some questions on UT topic.. As I understood BQ M10 UT tablet is not able to run x86 apps, for example TeXstudio. Am I right?
[18:30] <mcphail> ba2095: I assume so. It is an ARM device, so will only run ARM apps
[18:34] <ba2095> As I got it.. Made me sad, not able to be a real day-to-day machine than, will wait for something like Core-M based tablets w UT. And another one, didn shure if it's system or app related. On my krillin when I'm listening to music via Music app using
[18:34] <k1l> ba2095: while you could run the traditional .deb packages you dont want them to run since they are not made for convergence
[18:35] <k1l> ba2095: nearly all packages in the ubuntu repos are build for arm too.
[18:35] <k1l> but that is again .deb packages vs click packages on UT.
[18:36] <ba2095> urbaneaers headphones w mic, no reaction on button pressed(next/prev track or stop/play even). Ok w ipod
[18:40] <timeax> Hi peoples ;)
[18:40] <ba2095> should I adress this as bug/feature-request to UT sysimage or to Music app?
[18:41] <ahayzen> ba2095, there are already existing bugs for that, let me see if i can find them
[18:41] <ba2095> hi!
[18:41] <dobey> k1l: huh?
[18:41] <ahayzen> ba2095, and only recently has the music-app/platform added support for this to be even possible. Now they need to just link up the button presses
[18:41] <k1l> dobey: ?
[18:42] <dobey> k1l: the "convergence" feature of the m10 is exactly running traditional .deb packages, in a chroot
[18:42] <k1l> dobey: ah its the regular .deb isntall on "dockmode"?
[18:42] <dobey> ba2095: you should be able to run texstudio on the M10; it's open source and has armhf packages
[18:42] <k1l> dobey: good to know
[18:42] <dobey> k1l: that is what libreoffice/gimp are yes. it's running them with XMir in a chroot
[18:43] <dobey> k1l: so they are confined a bit still
[18:43] <k1l> ba2095: then you can use all usual ubuntu packages when the tablet is docked.
[18:43] <dobey> well, you can use anything that is built for arm, pretty much
[18:43] <k1l> only tricky bit are PPAs then, because they dont get build for arm as standard
[18:44] <ahayzen> ba2095, found at least bug 1309731 and bug 1473134, i believe there were others as well
[18:44] <ubot5`> bug 1309731 in Canonical System Image "headphone button does not play/pause music." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309731
[18:44] <dobey> you could theoretically use qemu to emulate x86 and run some things, but it would be low
[18:44] <ubot5`> bug 1473134 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "handle headphone button" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473134
[18:44] <dobey> k1l: i don't know that PPAs will be "supported" anyway
[18:45] <ba2095> Great! And the last one.. Using terminal app i was able to use python/perl scripts on my phone, but cant run gcc compiled binaries, cos container restrictions. Edited container configs for terminal app by hand, but maybe will be better to have kind of "~/Projects" folder w execution rights for binaries?
[18:45] <dobey> what do you mean you can't execute binaries?
[18:47] <dobey> because of bug #1534807 ?
[18:47] <ubot5`> bug 1534807 in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Cannot run "sudo chroot ." in Terminal" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1534807
[18:48] <ba2095> Created helloworld.c in "~/Documents" folder. Compiled w "gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld". Than cant run "./helloworld"
[18:49] <dobey> probably the same issue
[18:50] <dobey> if you installed gcc/etc to /, you would be better off creating a chroot and doing such things inside the chroot, rather than messing with the / partition
[18:56] <ba2095> I have writable devmode device, this one helped me to run compiled on device c app http://askubuntu.com/questions/556041/why-ubuntu-touch-terminal-cannot-execute-app
[18:57] <dobey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[19:00] <ba2095> but it's not so secure to wipe out container restrictions + I should do this for EVERY terminal app update. Just wondering should Terminal app have system-wide access or at least execution rights or kind of "~/Projects" folder? Understood why same not secure for "~/Downloads", etc.
[19:01] <ba2095> But just to make it more convinient for powerusers.
[19:04] <dobey> what do you mean?
[19:04] <ba2095> dobey, maybe I'm mistaken but cant find texstudio arm builds on packages.ubuntu.com nor official site. Where have you seen this?
[19:04] <dobey> you shouldn't need to touch any "container restrictions"
[19:05] <dobey> ba2095: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texstudio
[19:05] <dobey> you really should not use a writable image. apt-get upgrade is not supported, and will eventually break things; as well as fill up the root partition fairly quickly
[19:06] <ba2095> I should if i want to run binaries from "~/Documents" for ex. Running binaries from "/bin" etc not affected
[19:06] <dobey> no, you shouldn't :)
[19:06] <dobey> bug #1534807 needs to be fixed
[19:06] <ubot5`> bug 1534807 in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Cannot run "sudo chroot ." in Terminal" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1534807
[19:07] <dobey> balloons: around?
[19:07] <balloons> I am
[19:08] <dobey> balloons: ^^ can you reply to jdstrand's comment on that bug ^^? it's incomplete waiting for you :)
[19:08] <ba2095> dobey, thanks for making me happy w armhf texstudio builds link)
[19:08] <balloons> ohh, lovely. I still amnot filtering lp email well enough I see
[19:10] <dobey> would definitely be nice to get that fixed
[19:10] <ba2095> PS: OTA-9.1 was awesome, fixed kind of unusable(as daily driver) krillin :D
[19:11] <balloons> dobey, done. jdstrand can simply remove anything blocking you. I remember doing a commit awhile back to remove all those rules, but perhaps we missed some
[19:12] <dobey> balloons: huzzah! thanks. :)
[19:12] <dobey> jdstrand: ^^ maybe we can get that fixed for the next OTA then? :)
[19:12] <balloons> sorry you missed out on 9.5 dobey
[19:12] <dobey> balloons: story of my life
[19:12] <jdstrand> that should be possible
[19:13] <balloons> everyone runs rc-proposed anyway right? So it'll be fine ;-)
[19:13] <dobey> well, ota10 is fine
[19:14] <dobey> i just want people to stop using writable / partitions for anything other than testing a silo
[19:14] <dobey> and this fix will go a long way toward that :)
[19:58] <christof> good evening
[19:58] <christof> anyone know if multiboot can still do ubuntu touch on nexus 7 2012, or did i miss this opportunity?
[20:01] <dobey> nexus 7 2012 is not supported any longer, by any type of boot
[20:01] <dobey> the hardware is not amicable to ubuntu
[20:03] <christof> means it won't run smoothly, or won't run at all?
[20:04] <christof> and if i want to give ubuntu touch a try, what is the most affordable option?
[20:05] <dobey> it means images haven't been built in like 2 years
[20:05] <dobey> are you in EU?
[20:05] <christof> yes
[20:05] <dobey> you can buy the retail ubuntu phone from bq
[20:06] <christof> hm... you think it's better to wait for the retail tablet from bq?
[20:06] <dobey> it's probably the cheapest option for hardware with ubuntu; unless you can perhaps find a nexus4 second hand for cheap
[20:06] <dobey> i was just saying the e4.5 is like 150 eur or something
[20:07] <JanC> 169 or 179 IIRC
[20:07] <christof> ... since nexus7 2012 was discontinued, might the same happen sooner or later to the nexus4 or nexus7 2013?
[20:07] <JanC> unless they lowered the price
[20:07] <dobey> christof: it's possible, but they have more reasonanble hardware, so less likely
[20:08] <dobey> the nexus 7 2012 is a tegra, which is the problem
[20:08] <sbeattie> is it known that webapps are broken with rc-proposed/mako (r247)? I can't find anything that will launch successfully, they all die immediately. And for whatever reason, the updates mechanism is not finding r248 (or anything, it just spins).
[20:09] <sbeattie> (channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en I think)
[20:09] <christof> which one is the better device: nexus4, nexus7 2013 or bq e4.5?
[20:10] <timeax> Hi guys somebody know how could i solve this error when i try to build a porting for my phone pls?
[20:11] <timeax> (timeax) It says warning : string 'status_bar_device_locked' has no default or required localization for 'nl_NL' in frameworks/base/core/res/res
[20:11] <timeax> And there are a lot more of this errors, the message just differ in the 'nl_NL'
[20:13] <timeax> Christof i think that if u want an ubuntu device...its better the bq
[20:13] <timeax> Coz its born with that os
[20:14] <timeax> So i think its better optimized
[20:15] <dobey> christof: none of them is objectively "better" really. it depends on what you use it for
[20:16] <dobey> timeax:  try "LANGUAGE=C.UTF-8 LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 LANG=C.UTF-8 make"
[20:18] <christof> hmm, i plan on developing web-apps, which would be native to ubuntu touch, with ports to Android and later possibly iOS and windows phone.
[20:19] <timeax> I have to place this command before when i type make -jx ?
[20:19] <dobey> do you mean html5 apps?
[20:20] <dobey> "webapps" on ubuntu are apps which are a confined browser opening a specific URL with limited chrome
[20:20] <timeax> Or i have to modify some .mk files? Dobey
[20:20] <dobey> timeax: i mean, the problem seems to be that your environment's locale is dutch. try building with the C.UTF-8 locale set instead
[20:22] <timeax> Where exactly i should put this command?
[20:22] <christof> dobey: probably html5 apps is the better term, admitedly i often confuse technical terms
[20:22] <dobey> timeax: the stuff before "make" in what i said are just environment variables. you can export them, or just insert them in the command line in front of "make"
[20:23] <timeax> Oh ok
[20:23] <timeax> Tnx a lot, now i try
[20:25] <timeax> Its starting to build,later ill let you know if it worked ;)
[20:33] <taiebot> Anyone reported, that if you get a miss call on rc-proposed the sound icon in the dash disappear?
[20:35] <dobey> taiebot: do you have anything in /var/crash/ ?
[20:37] <sergiusens> renatu, does the trakttv app update the database at all?
[20:38] <taiebot> dobey: there is quite a few
[20:41] <taiebot> dobey: nothing from the time but it does not look like a crash as i soon as i move the volume in the dash the icon comes back
[20:42] <dobey> taiebot: well is there a crash file for indicator-sound?
[20:42] <dobey> taiebot: i'm pretty sure it's set to restart if it dies, so having it appear again makes sense
[20:42] <taiebot> dobey: nope
[20:42] <dobey> well that's weird then
[20:42] <timeax> Dobey i had another error now but i'll try to solve tomorrow
[20:42] <timeax> Tnx for help
[20:43] <dobey> sure
[20:43] <timeax> Bye all guys ;)
[20:52] <superhaasdas> help
[20:52] <superhaasdas> oops
[20:52] <superhaasdas> quit
[20:57] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Just donated another set of clams to ubports, for you :-)


[16:39] <ADcomp> hello ..
[16:47] <ADcomp> I'm testing jaunty on new board ( omap3 / kernel 2.6.31 ) .. base system is ok but I can't install xserver :  dpkg always return error when unpack 'hal'
[16:47] <ADcomp> (sorry for my poor english)
[16:48] <ojn> ADcomp: why jaunty? Karmic will run fine on it too.
[16:50] <ADcomp> karmic doesn't work (yet) for me ..
[16:50] <ADcomp> but jaunty works fine so ..
[16:51] <rcn-ee> ADcomp, what doesn't work? package requirement? or Kernel?
[16:51] <ojn> karmic rootstock comes up all the way to gdm login for me without modifications, running on various omap platforms (3530, 3630, 4430)
[16:51] <ojn> with a mainline or TI kernel...
[16:52] <ADcomp> I don't know .. I just receive this board. just trying what it's working "out-of-the-box"
[16:53] <ADcomp> btw , I'm not a guru on embedded system ..
[16:54] <rcn-ee> ADcomp, for reference, what board is it?
[16:54] <ADcomp> http://www.technexion.com/index.php/thunderpack
[16:57] <ADcomp> it's like a beagleboard with rj45/wifi + 4.3 touchscreen
[16:58] <rcn-ee> ADcomp, did they supply an SD card with Jaunty on it?
[16:58] <ADcomp> no ..
[16:59] <rcn-ee> what dpkg error comes up?
[16:59] <ADcomp> but you can download "angstrom" and kernel on technexion 'open' web  : http://www.technexion.org/
[17:01] <ADcomp> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:01] <ADcomp> when "--unpack"
[17:02] <rcn-ee> sounds like just a broken jaunty package...  It's safe to take the kernel and modules  (lib/modules) from their Angstrom download and dump it into a Karmic rootfs...
[17:03] <ADcomp> I already do it
[17:07] <ADcomp> karmic run well ?  with X and 128M ram ?
[17:08] <ADcomp> I do some others tests this w-e with rootstock ..
[17:08] <rcn-ee> ADcomp, it's also compiled with 'armv6' vs jaunty's 'armv5'...
[17:09] <rcn-ee> but xfce4 is faster with karmic on my old beagle b5 (128mb) then jaunty..
[17:10] <ADcomp> ok .. good to know that  :)
[17:10] <rcn-ee> just make sure you setup a swap partition, once you start opening a bunch of gui apps that ram is going to dissappear..
[17:12] <ADcomp> size ? 128M ?
[17:13] <rcn-ee> it depends on your SD card size, but atleast 2xRam size as a ball park..
[17:14] <ADcomp> ok.. I have a 2G but I buy a new one 4G today :)
[17:17] <ADcomp> maybe when all work fine , I can write something about this board ( config , hardware , .. ) on ubuntu wiki ?
[17:19] <rcn-ee> they have this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport  but i just maintain http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu since the beagleboard stuff has always been on elinux.org..
[17:22] <ADcomp> so thank you .. because I use this one for testing ubuntu on my board  :)
[17:26] <rcn-ee> your welcome, btw i was very close to picking up that board too..  if you do get a working kernel build defconfig, i'm am interested in adding more omap board support to https://code.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-dev  since you can share one defconfig with multiple omap boards...
[17:31] <ADcomp> I downloaded kernel source + config from http://www.technexion.org/
[17:33] <ADcomp> config for 2.6.31 .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/354030/
[17:38] <rcn-ee> does the kernel have any patches? or just mainline 2.6.31
[17:43] <ADcomp> patches .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/354034/
[17:43] <rcn-ee> this diff should make my 2.6-stable tree work: http://pastebin.com/f60903eb6
[17:45] <ADcomp> ok .. I have to go.
[17:45] <ADcomp> but thanks for your time .. I 'll be back  :)
[17:45] <rcn-ee> looks like they used angstrom's 2.6.31 as a base, thats what i'm using too.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/%2Bjunk/2.6-stable/annotate/head%3A/patch.sh
[17:46] <rcn-ee> ADcomp, download tihs branch: bzr branch lp:~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-stable and apply that diff, you should get a good kernel for the technexion.org
[17:46] <ADcomp> yes .. looks like all things ( system/kernel/board ) is pretty close to beagleboard
[17:47] <rcn-ee> if it works, commit the change noting enable OMAP3_THUNDER support, and it'll have a *.deb on rcn-ee.net.. for easy rootstock installs..
[17:47] <ADcomp> ok .. downloading ..
[17:48] <rcn-ee> the script only needs a valid Cross Compiler setup in system.sh... it'll warn you...
[17:48] <ADcomp> ok .. I'm late .. but I give you more feedback soon ..
[17:49] <ADcomp> bye
[19:23] <gregoiregentil> I'm using the rootstock (great stuff!) to create an Ubuntu image for the Always Innovating Touch Book
[19:23] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[19:23] <gregoiregentil> I've slightly modified the rootstock script to add a postprocess step before roll_tarball to do a few additional customizations
[19:24] <gregoiregentil> now I would like also to run a script in qemu before it's umounted (I would like to compile some stuff specific to my image)
[19:24] <gregoiregentil> how could I modify again the rootstock file so that a postprocess script is run at the end of the qemu story?
[19:31] <rcn-ee> hey gregoiregentil, you work at alwaysinnovating right?  looking at your mod script, we could take care of the module problem by using --kernel-image and generating a deb, what patches do you need for 2.6.31? (i've moved off 2.6.29)
[19:31] <gregoiregentil> hello, yes, correct, I'm the founder
[19:32] <gregoiregentil> for the module, yes, but my kernel is a little bit special as it's handling the whole TB and I have a few specific module
[19:32] <gregoiregentil> like the 3D stuff, the video acceleration to support OMAP DSP and so on
[19:32] <rcn-ee> Yeap, sgx works.. ;)
[19:33] <gregoiregentil> so there are many patches ;-) http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap_2.6.29.bb
[19:33] <rcn-ee> yeap, just loading it up again in firefox
[19:34] <gregoiregentil> BTW, rootstock is great work. I have already a good working Ubuntu image on the TOuch Book
[19:34] <gregoiregentil> just need to have a few more stuff, and it will be almost at the same level to my super-optimized OpenEmbedded image (still better compilation flag but Lucid will catch up)
[19:34] <rcn-ee> yeah it is. (can't take credit for it, it's Oliver's work) i just added enough support to make it work with the beagleboard and my debian and ubuntu *.deb
[19:39] <rcn-ee> in rootstock src, about line 646 ${KERNEL_IMAGE_CMD} you could add your script changes.. Ubuntu System User|Always Innovating can be changed with a command line option
[19:40] <rcn-ee> -n --fullname <quoted string>: --fullname "Always Innovating"
[19:40] <gregoiregentil> OK. Thanks for the feed-back. I'm appreciate. Let me take a look now
[19:42] <rcn-ee> line 620 	echo "deb ${MIRROR} ${DIST} ${COMPONENTS}" >/etc/apt/sources.list is where you could add the deb-src line next.. i keep forgeting to email oliver on a patch to add karmic-updates
[19:42] <rcn-ee> like i did here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Karmic:_.289.10.29_boot_fixup
[19:43] <gregoiregentil> rcn-ee: cool. I'm integrating ;-)
[19:47] <gregoiregentil> rcn-ee: so all the stuff around line 630, it's executed inside qemu?
[19:47] <gregoiregentil> Got you for ${KERNEL_IMAGE_CMD}
[19:48] <gregoiregentil> yup, exactly the place I want to add my stuff!
[19:49] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, yeap that qemu in there up till about 661.. that spot where KERNEL_IMAGE_CMD seem safest, as after that things start finishing..
[19:49] <gregoiregentil> yup
[19:50] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, have you had good luck with dspbridge?  I've just started recently looking into it for my kernels (going the oposite route of angstrom and their dsplink)  Other wise everything else could go in my 2.6-stable branch, then you'd have a normal deb install file..
[19:50] <gregoiregentil> On ubuntu, not yet
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> on my OpenEmbedded Always Innovating OS, I have both dspbridge and dsplink...
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/DSP_video
[19:52] <rcn-ee> ah cool..  Yeah just yeasterday i got the dsp-gst tree to build, but haven't tested all 3 parts together yet (dspbridge module, dspbridge userspace and dsp-gst gstreamer stuff)
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> rcn-ee, you should subscribe to the gst-dsp google newsgroups
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> Felipe is very active and answer all questions
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> also, there are a couple of overlay OE (mine and another one) with all the recipes to compile everything. That may be useful to take look if you don't manage to do something
[19:54] <rcn-ee> cool didn't know, i've been following his blog, will add it to my email
[19:58] <rcn-ee> about the only thing i'm missing is the dsp stuff, then ubuntu would be feature complete with angstrom.  On the Kernel side i usually test changes against my tree and openembedded so that's usually in sync..  i just moved to 2.6.31 so i didn't have the omap3-touchbook patches anymore..
[19:59] <rcn-ee> btw is there anything special about xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so in your script?
[20:00] <rcn-ee> i think it's the omapfb driver, it got pulled in from debian, it might not be as up to date as openembedded but... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-video-omapfb/0.1.1-2
[20:01] <rcn-ee> add : xserver-xorg-video-omap3 to your seed for rootstock..
[20:01] <gregoiregentil> Very long story about fbdev (long story with Koen)
[20:01] <gregoiregentil> Koen has always prefered omapfb driver while I stick with fbdev
[20:02] <gregoiregentil> so you have a kind of two branches. I have ported the xrandr to fbdev
[20:02] <gregoiregentil> as I wanted to have a very good rotation support in fbdev. It's well optimized
[20:02] <gregoiregentil> then I have for video some mplayer patches to write directly to fb1
[20:02] <rcn-ee> ahh, that explains it...
[20:02] <gregoiregentil> those rotation patches have never been published (yet) but the mplayer stuff is in git and Koen has integrated it
[20:04] <rcn-ee> sounds cool...  I hardly plug my beagle into an lcd, so i just point users to use omapfb..  but with your touchbook design a good visual experience is key
[20:05] <gregoiregentil> yup!
[20:08] <suihkulokki> gregoiregentil: where is fbdev with xrandr?
[20:09] <gregoiregentil> suihkulokki: I have never published yet. It's on the todo list
[20:20] <suihkulokki> gregoiregentil: I was just bemoaning the lack of xrandr in omapfb, but one in fbdev would do as well
[20:21] <gregoiregentil> suihkulokki: Yup. very long story with Koen about this. Ideally, it would be better to ahve something really optimized in omapfb
[20:21] <gregoiregentil> Koen told me that there is a Stanford guy who is working on it
[20:40] <lool> gregoiregentil, rcn-ee: I just added a --script (untested) in this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/354096/ which I just pushed at lp:~lool/project-rootstock/user-script if that's useful I'll propose it for merging in tip
[20:41] <gregoiregentil> yup. Definitely makes sense to me
[20:42] <lool> Ok, proposed for merging
[20:42] <lool> gregoiregentil: hy BTW
[20:42] <lool> *hey
[20:43] <gregoiregentil> lool: Hello
[20:43] <lool> gregoiregentil: I've seen a netbook with detachable screen in the CES coverage, but I don't think i was branded always-innovating; is this a derived product?
[20:43] <rcn-ee> lool, that would be very useful, there's a couple things i have beagleboard users do to tweak the final rootfs...
[20:43] <rcn-ee> (that are too beagleboardish to be generic for all users)
[20:43] <gregoiregentil> Not a derived product... I would say a copied product!
[20:44] <lool> Ok; that's what I guessed
[20:47] <rcn-ee> lool, ogra: at what point do you guys what lucid tweaks for rootstock to enable lucid?
[20:50] <armin76> lool: well, i would say that you mean the freescale reference netbook...but i guess its built by pegatron
[20:50] <armin76> you should know it :P
[20:52] <armin76> also there is the marvell smartbook
[20:52] <lool> rcn-ee: I didn't understand the question
[20:52] <armin76> which was running ubuntu
[20:53] <lool> armin76: I actually did not!
[20:53] <lool> I only saw that netbook with removable screen like the AI one on TV for a split second and it looked too different from the AI one, hence my wonders
[20:54] <rcn-ee> lool, since lucid is only at alpha-1/2 i was holding this back: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/project-rootstock-lucid/revision/31
[20:54] <armin76> lool: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/freescale-smartbook-prototype-is-a-dockable-tablet-we-go-hands/
[20:55] <armin76> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/marvell-shows-off-an-odm-smartbook-thinner-than-strict-decency-p/
[20:59] <lool> rcn-ee: IMO no reason to hold this back
[20:59] <lool> rcn-ee: I'm rewriting this a bit, following the diff you showed me; thanks
[21:00] <rcn-ee> cool, i was holding it back since fakeroot 'was' broken since i couldn't generate a deb for lucid, but as of this morning it works..
[21:02] <lool> rcn-ee: Mind taking a look at http://code.launchpad.net/~lool/project-rootstock/lucid-support ?
[21:02] <lool> rcn-ee: Ack; just saw a bug coment that it's fixed
[21:03] <lool> rcn-ee: Sorry, not wasy to see a branch I just pushed
[21:03] <lool> rcn-ee: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lool/project-rootstock/lucid-support/changes
[21:04] <rcn-ee> lool, it looks like it's loading, btw is the bazzar web server always that slow? i'm use to it with pushing my beagleboard-kernel stuff.
[21:05] <lool> rcn-ee: I rarely use the bzr web ui, but I don't think it's supposed to be slow once he branch has been scanned
[21:06] <lool> rcn-ee: the launchpad web frontend is a tad slow due to SSL, lots of database queries, and various inefficiencies, but bazaar should be faster
[21:06] <rcn-ee> lool, changes look good, the only odd case is jaunty as lucid/karmic share the same path...
[21:06] <rcn-ee> lool, that make sense, i just got to stop watching my changes hit the web.. ;)


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[10:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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[16:52] <mparillo> Looks like PIM 18.12.3 landed in DD.
[16:57] <mparillo> Opened Kontact and got an error dialog box. The Email program encountered a fatal error and will terminate now. The error was: Invalid parent.
[16:59] <mparillo> Still it looked as if it would let me create a connection to an old hotmail account, but on re-starting kontact, I do not see any e-mail.
[17:10] <mparillo> Options > Configure Kontact seems to crash, but maybe I am just too much of a newbie to use PIM.
[17:28] <acheronuk> mparillo: same invalid parent message happened on kmail is run 18.04 in disco, and 18.08 in debian. it is not new with 18.12.3
[17:29] <acheronuk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380171
[17:31] <acheronuk> ah and in Neon
[17:58] <mparillo> Well it *IS* new for me, if only because it was the first time I tried PIM.
[18:00] <acheronuk> mparillo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405440
[18:01] <acheronuk> seriously, I think PIM gets worse!
[18:01] <acheronuk> and mostly they just ignore bugs
[18:01] <acheronuk> *bug reports
[18:02] <mparillo> Everybody knows what a virtuous cycle is. In this case, not enough people use it, too few people report bugs, even fewer fix bugs (or even acknowledge them) and then rinse and repeat.


[08:39] <LaSpec> Are there laptop-model-specific-wiki pages?
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik no. unless you are looking at laptop testing...
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> there are some for the laptop testing team...
[09:23] <LaSpec> laptop testing?
[09:24] <LaSpec> I wanna write a wiki doc on a fix for Gateway Solo 1450's resolution problem, but it's a very specific fix for that model
[09:24] <LaSpec> where should I write that?
[09:27] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[10:48] <Eric_Jardas> Hello
[10:48] <Eric_Jardas> I have a question...
[10:48] <Eric_Jardas> I created a HOWTO in the forum and it isn't there ? Is it waiting for approval or ?
[10:49] <jjesse> Eric_Jardas: i don't quite now how to answer the question, but shouldn't that question be asked of the forum admins?


[10:58] <hot_wheelz> just to confirm can you upgrade mythbuntu using the the updrade distro when its set to normal release
[15:31] <Guest97146> I am having a problem trying to rebuild 0.24 trunk packages on 10.04 amd 64. There is a dependency on libqtwebkit-dev that is unmet. Is there a fix?
[16:01] <Guest97146> I found bug 586007 that appears to describe my problem, but the proposed fix is already applied to trunk 26766  source package and I still have an unmet dependency.
[16:01] <Zinn> Bug 586007 in mythplugins (Ubuntu) "Missing dependency on libqt4-webkit-dev" [Undecided, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/586007
[16:41] <superm1> Guest97146, are you building by hand from the source package on the mythbuntu PPA?
[16:41] <superm1> it should be listed as a dependency in debian/control
[16:47] <Guest97146> @superm1 debian/control lists this: libqtwebkit-dev | libqt4-webkit-dev | libqt4-dev (<< 4:4.7.0~beta1), I have libqt4-dev 4.6.2 installed. When I do a apt-get build-dep mythtv it bombs complaining of missing libqtwebkit-dev.
[16:48] <tgm4883> is 4.6.2 less than 4:4.7.0~beta1?
[16:48] <superm1> Guest97146, do you have the source repository added in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d?  the apt-get build-dep will only work properly if it's in one of those and you've apt-get update'd
[16:48] <superm1> (source repository for mythbuntu PPA that is)
[16:49] <Guest97146> @superm1, yes the deb-src line for the uk mythbuntu repository is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list.
[16:49] <superm1> peculiar then that's happening
[16:50] <superm1> it does work properly in sbuild or pbuilder, so you can do your builds there instead
[16:51] <Guest97146> Ok. Which should I try?
[16:51] <superm1> pbuilder is easier to setup
[16:51] <superm1> once you have it setup, it's literally just sudo pbuilder blah.dsc and it will spit out debs
[16:51] <Guest97146> Ok. I will give it a try. Should I open a bug with the failed output of a debuild?
[16:52] <superm1> it's probably not a high priority item - we don't support building out of a clean env normally
[16:52] <superm1> pbuilder and sbuild both prepare a clean chroot and only pull in the dependencies they need
[16:53] <mrand> superm1: this is the part where I ask if this is documented, and if not, could it be on the receipe's?
[16:53] <mrand> rather, could you update the receipe's?
[16:54] <superm1> i think there's a recipe for building out of pbuilder/sbuild that's basically what he was following, but these weird apt resolving order bugs will cause problems on earlier releases - i'm guessing this is 9.10 or so
[16:56] <Guest97146> @superm1 what is the easiest way to apply patches to a source before building with pbuilder? btw this is 10.04 amd64
[16:56] <superm1> Guest97146, you can apply patches by putting them in debian/patches, and then "debuild -S -sa -us -uc" will spit out a source package to pass to pbuilder
[16:57] <superm1> and modify debian/patches/series to list out your patches
[16:57] <Guest97146> Ok. pbuilder is setting up its initial environment now and then I will try to build the mythtv package
[16:58] <superm1> did you enable universe/multiverse in the initial environment?  I think there's some extra switches for them
[16:58] <superm1> if not then it will fail when you try to build
[17:05] <Guest97146> @superm1 I did not enable anything extra. I will wait until it completes its first configure and try again.
[17:05] <superm1> you can add them after the fact
[17:05] <superm1> you just need to use pbuilder login with the --savesomething  (don't remember) option
[17:05] <superm1> and then you can modify /etc/apt/sources.list in the pbuilder chroot to meet your needs
[17:07] <FredYerkes> Hi - I'm having no luck archiving a recording to a DVD .iso file, could someone take a glance at my log and help me head in the right direction please?
[17:08] <FredYerkes> http://www.pastebin.ca/1960973
[17:34] <Guest97146> @superm1 I now have the 26766 myth package building. The pbuilder HOWTO has info on adding the universe repo. The other way is using pbuilder --login --save-after-login
[18:04] <Guest97146> @superm1 The build completed for mythtv_0.24~trunk26766. It is installed and operating. Would it be possible for me to build a debug build this way? What would I need to change?
[18:13] <superm1> Guest97146, the build you made should actually be a debug build
[18:13] <superm1> you just need to install the -dbg package that was created too
[19:05] <Guest97146> @superm1, you are right. The dbg package is with the rest of them. I just missed it before.
[22:10] <Spiffydudex> Hello all, I recently upgraded from 9.10 to 10.10 and I am running into the issue of my 950q not having any sound. I looked in the Backend setup for the 950q and there was no audio device listed. The only things listed are ALSA:default and (none). Can anyone give me a hint from where I can begin to look? I know Ubuntu made a big change to push pulse audio and make it baselined in the OS, but that surely cant be the only re
[22:10] <Spiffydudex> stalling just for kicks and it did not fix anything.


[18:25] <_marx_> happy new years from west virginia!
[20:17] <holstein> _marx_: oh yeah?
[20:18] <holstein> _marx_: happy new year!
[20:18] <_marx_> how're you holstein
[20:18] <_marx_> ah ops
[20:18] <holstein> _marx_: not bad.. just busy
[20:19] <_marx_> i was busy, working traveling around the country
[20:19] <holstein> nice
[20:19] <_marx_> nh to la
[20:19] <holstein> and you landed in WV
[20:19] <holstein> im sorry ;0
[20:19] <_marx_> louisiana
[20:19] <_marx_> yeah wv kinda sucks
[20:19] <holstein> i was born and grew up in charleston
[20:19] <_marx_> wv?
[20:20] <holstein> yup
[20:20] <_marx_> ok i'm in st. albans now
[20:20] <holstein> know that place well
[20:20] <holstein> had family over that way.. near the train tracks
[20:20] <_marx_> i'm like 300' from the tracks
[20:20] <_marx_> 20 or so a day
[20:21] <holstein> its charming for a minute..
[20:21] <_marx_> amtrak on monday, wed, and fri
[20:24] <_marx_> gotta anti-virus my 13 year old grandson's laptop tomorrow :) that should be fun
[20:24] <holstein> windows has their own now
[20:24] <holstein> i just put that on..
[20:24] <holstein> though, i *hate* putting fires out on windows machines
[20:25] <holstein> folks just keep buying them, even though, they dont want to do the required maintanence, and they dont fit the need
[20:25] <holstein> at least, that will be going away soon
[20:25] <holstein> at least, i tihnk it will..
[20:29] <holstein> ok.. gotta run.. good luck, bon new year, and i hope to catch up more with you before you get gone again :)
[20:30] <_marx_> i'm usually on freenode, just not always in this channel


[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OvenWerks: By "the pulse part" of PipeWire, do you mean the PulseAudio server that PipeWire can use to replace PulseAudio entirely?
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> OvenWerks: So for the second best result, JACK has FireWire support, so we want to be able to use JACK and PipeWire at the same time, so that FireWire shows up in JACK and then you can have a JACK device in PipeWire that can be linked via the patchbay? If so, I see some dude on the Internet managed to pull it off (I think), so it should be doable.
[23:25] <arraybolt3[m]> This page appears to have a wealth of information on what we're trying to accomplish: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1196#note_923472