[09:36] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, you have to get the right Opera download
[09:36] <chavo> you can use that to configure or see what the key combos are
[09:36] <neuron_> if i`ll install dapper, is there any way of keeping my settings, hotkeys, etc?
[09:36] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, get the etch version it worked for me
[09:37] <kombrisn> neuron_ just keep care on your ~/.kde subdirectory
[09:37] <neuron_> oh, ty :P
[09:37] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, it works with qt instead of xlibs or something.
[09:37] <chavo> I have it set to shift-mouse3 but I don't remember if that's default
[09:37] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: geil?
[09:38] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, also ask in #opera i got help there
[09:38] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, ja, geil=gut ne?
[09:38] <chavo> gan|y|med, someone else fixed this problem earlier tonight
[09:38] <kombrisn>  OT: how to register my nick on freenode?
[09:38] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: i have tried etch qt shared and static (8.54), and etch qt shared (9.0beta) respectively. always the same error about xlibs
[09:38] <chavo> I think it invloved installing xlibs from the breezy repos
[09:38] <gan|y|med> ok
[09:39] <aftertaf> chavo, i pasted your text to autostart/compiz.desktop..... so it'll run auto on each kde run?
[09:39] <chavo> yes
[09:39] <aftertaf> yay
[09:39] <aftertaf> and for enlightenment? :P
[09:39] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, ai! i have qt shared and no problems now, so i'm stumped
[09:39] <gan|y|med> chavo: tonight? :). where i am it is morning... i love the net
[09:39] <chavo> .kde/Autostart
[09:39] <taz_> how do I get kernel source/headers
[09:39] <chavo> gan|y|med, well it's 3:39 am here
[09:39] <crimsun> taz_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:40] <grasshopper> the point is someone successfully installed xlibs from breezy repos in dapper?
[09:40] <gan|y|med> chavo: just out of interest... where are you? (part of the world, not your address :)
[09:41] <chavo> florida usa
[09:41] <grasshopper> chavo: i want your exact address, lol : )
[09:41] <Melchiorre> pd273: Check out this thread, and see if it helps http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-1763.html
[09:41] <chavo> 1313 mockinbird lane
[09:41] <taz_> Thanks crimsun
[09:41] <grasshopper> lol @ chavo
[09:42] <pd273> Melchiorre: I will look at it, thankyou
[09:42] <Melchiorre> np
[09:42] <gan|y|med> chavo: last question: how is the weather?
[09:42] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, Also xlibs von breezy repos nach dapper rueberbringen, ai...
[09:42] <chavo> hot
[09:42] <neuron_> chavo, whats your local hour?
[09:42] <grasshopper> i am GMT zone
[09:42] <chavo> 3:42
[09:43] <grasshopper> 8:43
[09:43] <bulltitan> an idea
[09:43] <neuron_> pm, right?
[09:43] <bulltitan> i know all the rules of asking questions here
[09:43] <chavo> no am, I don't sleep
[09:43] <bulltitan> and all that
[09:43] <bulltitan> but
[09:43] <neuron_> hehe :D
[09:43] <bulltitan> ubuntu channel gives absolutely no help to nothing
[09:43] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, nah? wassenloss?
[09:43] <neuron_> chavo, will i find you here at about 1pm ?
[09:43] <chavo> neuron_, possibly
[09:44] <bulltitan> so chavo as you where the only one to answer my call you get the candy :P
[09:44] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, nicht geil wie sexy oder schwull, ja?
[09:44] <neuron_> okay, i`ll install dapper by then, and i`ll come here for help in installing xgl
[09:44] <gan|y|med> sorry trying to install xlibs
[09:44] <neuron_> do you have a how-to or something i could folow?
[09:45] <chavo> no I used info from the many how-tos out there
[09:45] <chavo> there's too many of them and quite a few are outdated
[09:45] <neuron_> ph, okay, i hope i`ll find you here then :D
[09:45] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: what about closing the geil-topic... i wouldn't use the word... no good style...
[09:46] <chavo> I should write a how-to but that'll just add to the confusion
[09:46] <gan|y|med> ok, i got it. opera installed aaaannnnddd
[09:46] <gan|y|med> works
[09:46] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, sure, my german colloquiallism is a bit rusty. I always thought it was a cool style. I must be getting old
[09:47] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, Bravo. tell me how you did it
[09:47] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: used to be in the 90ies. sorry, now it is prevalent in a certain kind of mail
[09:48] <gan|y|med> you install the xlibs transitional package from breezy. it has no dependencies itself
[09:48] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, yea, i lived in Berlin 1989, so it shows
[09:48] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, how do you do that from dapper?
[09:49] <gan|y|med> grasshopper: download the xlibs package from packages.ubuntu.com and do dpkg -i xlibs...deb
[09:49] <gan|y|med> installs just fine
[09:50] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, heh, vielen dank, ich haette es mir nicht so leight vorgestellt
[09:50] <grasshopper> *leicht
[09:50] <psi_force> hi all, how do I set kde to run a command when I login (eg like the startup folders in windows)
[09:50] <gan|y|med> no prob. thx for the hint
[09:50] <Hobbsee> psi_force: what kind of command?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> symlink in ~.kde/Autostart
[09:50] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, but why qt shared works here and not with you is curious
[09:51] <gan|y|med> no,no. now qt shared is working
[09:51] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, but Opera 9 rocks
[09:51] <gan|y|med> well, i don't like that it's still beta
[09:51] <psi_force> Hobbsee: console script... basically runs xrandr on certain conditions
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, yea well time...crashes here sometimes but seldom and works just the same
[09:52] <Hobbsee> psi_force: i assume you can still symlink it, or stick the script in ~.kde/Autostart, or the global autostart folder
[09:52] <gan|y|med> but i'll check it out... don't like that they keep putting more and more stuff in there...
[09:52] <gan|y|med> we'll see. thx, have to go and study russian now :)
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, its fast and integrated
[09:52] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, hahaha nostrovia!
[09:52] <gan|y|med> exactly
[09:52] <gan|y|med> cu
[09:53] <grasshopper> gan|y|med, i hope i  didn't say anothe rbad word
[09:53] <grasshopper> bye
[09:54] <aftertaf> back to standard 2d enlightenment for now ... :)
[09:57] <Melchiorre> is the: "** (process:6512): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed" Error a problem? it seems to come up a lot when I'm installing / removing stuff...
[09:57] <aftertaf> i think its a ne way of saying, installation worked...
[09:57] <aftertaf> i get it all the time and things just work(tm) still
[09:58] <Melchiorre> good :)
[10:09] <CellarDoor> Hello all... I've been trying to upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 but I think my sources.list isn't what it should be
[10:09] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, paste it to pastebin and well see
[10:09] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, or, change all 'breezy' to 'dapper'
[10:10] <CellarDoor> ok, I've never used the pastebin though
[10:10] <aftertaf> can you surf to google?
[10:10] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:10] <CellarDoor> yes
[10:11] <aftertaf> if so, then you're qualified to pastebin ;P
[10:12] <CellarDoor> ok I've pasted it to the pastebin - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766877
[10:12] <CellarDoor> Its a bit of a mess I know
[10:13] <CellarDoor> During doing a distro upgrade apt is not finding stuff
[10:13] <aftertaf> ill check
[10:13] <CellarDoor> thanks
[10:17] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, repalce with this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766890
[10:17] <weedar> What is "the" KDE ftp-client? Any reccommendations? :)
[10:17] <aftertaf> kbear?
[10:17] <joshuafr> hi all
[10:17] <CellarDoor> okies thanks aftertaf
[10:18] <rob> weedar, use Konqueror
[10:18] <_dave> how can i keep my grub menu.lst changes kept after each kernal has been added to my system?
[10:18] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: replace everything with that ?
[10:18] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, yep. or my sources.list: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/766892
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, dont modify the kernels between the automagic bit
[10:19] <weedar> aftertaf: I seem to remember Kbear _always_ crashing on me :/
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, what did you modify?
[10:19] <weedar> Rob, also for non-anonymous accounts?
[10:19] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: ok
[10:19] <aftertaf> weedar, filezilla :]
[10:19] <rob> weedar, should work fine
[10:19] <weedar> not really KDElicious, but it is a decent ftp-client..Thanks for the suggestion aftertaf
[10:19] <aftertaf> _dave, you can modify the defoptions so that it will add them to new kernels.
[10:19] <rob> kbear will work too, its up to you which you prefer
[10:20] <aftertaf> weedar, not kdelicious. but a damn fine slice of cherry pie in any book :]
[10:20] <weedar> mmm, pie....
[10:20] <aftertaf> :)
[10:20] <CellarDoor> ok, attempting distro upgrade again
[10:20] <_dave> aftertaf: i have a w2k HD setup so i can duel boot and have just added FreeBSD on as well (but not yet added to the menu.lst yet
[10:20] <aftertaf> CellarDoor, apt-get update? does it work?
[10:21] <aftertaf> ok. then you can add it before the automagic bit... like windows boot option
[10:21] <aftertaf> argh windows!
[10:21] <rob> googling KDELicious brings up some odd links (esp the first one)
[10:21] <joshuafr> I have a problem with compiz under Dapper and nvidia-ubuntu drivers, Xgl reset when I close a window and I cannot have a good conf for my keyboard. An idea?
[10:21] <aftertaf> Female
[10:21] <aftertaf>  14 years old
[10:21] <aftertaf>   "..YoU kNoW yOu WaNnA.."
[10:21] <aftertaf>
[10:22] <aftertaf> lol
[10:22] <chavo> konqueror works for simple ftp stuff
[10:22] <rob> yep
[10:22] <CellarDoor> aftertaf: It seems to be working ok now
[10:22] <_dave> aftertaf: Ya i know but .... I'm a bit of a noob with grub so explain futher please
[10:22] <aftertaf> http://www.kdelicious.com/
[10:22] <aftertaf> loooool
[10:22] <aftertaf> _dave, hang on a sec.
[10:22] <rob> aftertaf, shockwave?
[10:23] <chavo> ooh Les Biscuits!!!!!
[10:23] <Cellar|bbs> bbs
[10:23] <rob> bah, just tell me what it is
[10:23] <aftertaf> # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
[10:23] <aftertaf> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:23] <aftertaf> _dave, look for that section and put your other things before it
[10:24] <skon> does anyone know which file i backup for kontact mail account settings?
[10:24] <aftertaf> rob, dont work for you? hmm konqueror gave me animated buns
[10:24] <_dave> Okay did do some reading and saw an reference to a Kopt that is supposed to keep user defined things there
[10:24] <_dave> but i was scratching my head over multi lines
[10:24] <rob> aftertaf, I don't have flash/shockwave installed
[10:24] <aftertaf> argh
[10:25] <aftertaf> animated buns
[10:25] <aftertaf> :] ] ]
[10:25] <rob> woman buns, or hot cross ones?///////
[10:25] <aftertaf> looooooooooooooool
[10:25] <chavo> skon, look in ~/.kde/share/config/kamilrc
[10:25] <aftertaf> i knew that would get you
[10:25] <chavo> kmailrc
[10:25] <aftertaf> hot cross ones
[10:25] <skon> chavo - yeah i copied that one across
[10:25] <Hobbsee> rob: ping?
[10:26] <rob> Hobbsee, pong
[10:26] <chavo> skon, also ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[10:26] <rob> whats up?
[10:26] <azathoth> i'm trying to install kxdocker 1.1.4a from source and it's telling me it can't find the X includes. what do i need to install? build-essentials is already there
[10:26] <Hobbsee> rob: PM?
[10:26] <rob> sure
[10:26] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[10:26] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:26] <chavo> you'll want that whole directory
[10:26] <azathoth> cool, thanks
[10:26] <skon> chavo: yeah i might have to try that instead of individual files - thanks
[10:26] <crimsun> oh wow
[10:26] <crimsun> erm, that needs to be updated.
[10:27] <crimsun> let's see, no more warty support, so we can kill the monolithic b-ds
[10:27] <chavo> skon, it might be easier to just tar up, or cp  your whole .kde
[10:27] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for any of you?
[10:28] <weedar> Hm, sun-java5-doc tells me to download the doc myself. But then how will the package know when it is really installed?
[10:28] <skon> chavo: i agree : )
[10:28] <_dave> aftertaf: thanks did read about the Kopt but was thinking okay for 1line but multi-lines??  many thanks for the pointer :)
[10:28] <aftertaf> :)
[10:28] <aftertaf> no pb _dave
[10:28] <crimsun> ubotu: xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev/libx11-dev  libxext-dev  libxinerama-dev/g
[10:28] <ubotu> crimsun: OK
[10:34] <_dave> aftertaf: just been read the menu.lst, bit different from last time i read it -)  what is the alternative declaration do?
[10:35] <aftertaf> _dave, not entirely sure, the bits i know are from googling ..... :/
[10:35] <_dave> aftertaf: eg should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options <- from aa line in the menu.lst
[10:35] <aftertaf> i think so
[10:36] <grasshopper> Guys! just burning kubuntu to cd now.  Perhaps by chance...
[10:40] <grasshopper> ubuntu is a word; you can feel that is true.  REPO work for any of you?
[10:43] <katakombi> besides the desktop iso boots terribly slow
[10:43] <tuxcicles> why couldn't they name them somthn cool like orgasm-os
[10:44] <alex__> I installed a chess game from adept; started up; got a message saying "broken pipe" and it closes.
[10:44] <grasshopper> katakombi, now all the excuses start coming already...hehe ; )
[10:44] <alex__> Any fixes to my issue ^?
[10:45] <katakombi> what excuses?
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: i am not sure, but read it http://www.merlin.ac.uk/user_guide/preface/node125.html
[10:45] <grasshopper> preempting the slowness and issues with partitions i might now encounter?
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: (i searched for broken pipe)
[10:45] <dark_light> alex__: it may be a bug
[10:46] <grasshopper> katakombi, i'm just gonna go and give it a go now - see what happens
[10:46] <grasshopper> katakombi,
[10:46] <grasshopper> i have 160gb hd with 40gb dedicated to ubuntu, just gonna add kubuntu; shouldn't be so hard
[10:47] <katakombi> no, i dont think so
[10:47] <alex__> thanks
[10:48] <_dave> just to change the topic here - emoticons that you see in emails are they univeral ?? like a wink in kmail is a wink in thunderbird is a wink in ....  or am i wrong on this?
[10:48] <alex__> dark_light: Just googled for that website? thanks anyhow.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> alex__: try installing it with apt-get - and then pastebin the error
[10:48] <alex__> Hobbsee: Thanks; Will do.
[10:49] <_dave> also how do you (can it be done) with kmail to have emoticons that you can pick from like from some web sites?
[10:51] <BuZzY_> hello i have a phpBB2 forum installed on a server and want to export only the structure (i.e the sections and messages) whithout the theme configurations..how can i do that?i(i have phpmyadmin
[10:52] <kujeger_work> I can't move the applets on the taskbar around even though it's not locked. Any idea? I can do it back home where I had a clean install, but not here where I dist-upgraded. Worked before the upgrade too.
[10:53] <kujeger_work> basically it seems to be permanently locked regardless of wheter I click lock or unlock panels
[10:53] <chavo> kujeger_work, some applets/icons will move with middle click
[10:54] <chavo> kujeger_work, right click panel -> Configure Pnael -> Appearance -> Advanced Options button
[10:54] <_dave> hobbsee: know much about emoticons and email clients?  eg a wink in kmail is the same in all other email client programs?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> _dave: i dont know, but i doubt it...
[10:54] <chavo> _dave, they should be pretty much the same
[10:54] <kujeger_work> chavo: neither works
[10:55] <chavo> there's no standard or anything
[10:55] <kujeger_work> for example the taskbar applet is stuck in the middle with a max width of 200 pixels or so. A bit annoying to say the least
[10:56] <chavo> kujeger_work, did you open the panel configuration dialog?
[10:56] <kujeger_work> chavo: yes
[10:57] <chavo> kujeger_work, ok look at Apperance and then click the Advanced Options button
[10:57] <kujeger_work> chavo: done
[10:57] <_dave> hobbsee: So this could be dangerous then as i might do a humourous icon (like a wink) and you see it as a tongue poking out and take offence to the sentance
[10:57] <chavo> there should be a section called Applet Handles
[10:57] <kujeger_work> chavo: aha, thanks
[10:57] <chavo> np
[10:57] <Hobbsee> _dave: no, it will come out as plain text - ie, a wink means ;)
[10:58] <_dave> chavo: thought they would have been similar across all clients - think i here my mate google calling me on this...
[10:58] <Hobbsee> and most people will recognise ;)
[10:58] <chavo> like I said some applets can move without the handles, but not all of them
[10:59] <_dave> hobbsee: ya i use kmail and in an email i saw a devil copied it and it looked something like :;) can kmail have emoticons setup at all (ie get a selection of images to choose)?
[11:00] <chavo> _dave, kmail uses the same theme as kopete
[11:00] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i dont use kmail much
[11:00] <_dave> I've not used kopete so what the theme??
[11:02] <_dave> chavo: I've not used kopete so what is the theme? can you have it setup as icons and click/drag to the point in the message??
[11:02] <chavo> _dave, no the emoticons don't show up in the composer at all
[11:03] <chavo> _dave, I'm not sure how to change the emoticon theme for kmail
[11:03] <_dave> chavo this is my understanding just googling now and am going to read a bit so might have some answers....
[11:04] <chavo> cool
[11:08] <CellarDoor> I hope this distro upgrade doesn't hose my computer
[11:09] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: if you follow the upgrade instructions properly, everything should be ok
[11:09] <CellarDoor> fingers crossed then ;)
[11:09] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: how are you upgrading? Via dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <CellarDoor> yep
[11:10] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you made sure that you have the appropriate metapackage installed first, right?
[11:10] <CellarDoor> metapackage ?
[11:10] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop, if you're on Kubuntu
[11:11] <apokryphos> what upgrade instructions are you following?
[11:13] <CellarDoor> I just updated my sources list
[11:13] <CellarDoor> and did a dist upgrade
[11:14] <CellarDoor> wouldn't I already have kubuntu desktop installed ?
[11:14] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: this is why it's important to follow the *upgrade instructions* if you're going to dist-upgrade
[11:14] <apokryphos> no, it certainly wouldn't be necessarily installed
[11:14] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: /msg ubotu faq
[11:15] <chavo> CellarDoor, not necissarily
[11:17] <roflcoptern> hi
[11:17] <CellarDoor> I did, I just didn't notice that
[11:17] <roflcoptern> i did a stupid thing.. i installed compiz and xgl... now i no longer have any accelerated 3d, even in the regular xserver
[11:17] <roflcoptern> any ideas?
[11:18] <CellarDoor> what if I install kubuntu-desktop after just to make sure ?
[11:18] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: well, apt requires it to perform the update successfully. You might not have problems, but almost *every* upgrade problem I've seen is because people didn't do that.
[11:18] <_dave> Chavo: it looks like you can add emoticons via the theme manager, i am now  doing a search on this to find out where to get said emoticons etc from
[11:19] <CellarDoor> well... its already well into it now...
[11:19] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: if your apt is still in the process of downloading, then I'd cancel it.
[11:19] <apokryphos> if it's installing, then you'll have to sit it through and hope for the best
[11:19] <CellarDoor> ok, cancelled
[11:20] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: ok, then change your sources.list back, install kubuntu-desktop, and then go for the upgrade, as linked to on the FAQ
[11:21] <chavo> _dave, I know you can use the Get New Stuff button in kopete to get new emoticon themes, and I know kmail uses the same themes. I just don't know how to change the theme that kmail uses
[11:22] <roflcoptern> guess not
[11:23] <chavo> roflcoptern, I'm not sure, need a little more info to figure it out
[11:23] <_dave> chavo: this is what i'm tring to find out. Dang i did have a blog that referred to the fact that you had emoticons setup then you have a button on kmail to access them if by default or via a menu.
[11:24] <roflcoptern> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[11:24] <roflcoptern> hmm
[11:25] <chavo> roflcoptern, sorry don't know much about ati
[11:26] <roflcoptern> where does atp store its packages?
[11:26] <roflcoptern> apt
[11:26] <trevor> hi
[11:26] <chavo> roflcoptern, /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:27] <trevor> where is a good media player on here
[11:27] <chavo> trevor, amarok for audio, kaffeine for video
[11:28] <trevor> does any one know a good media player on here
[11:28] <trevor> ok thanks
[11:28] <trevor> i cant seem to get java working
[11:28] <chavo> !java
[11:28] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:29] <trevor> thanks
[11:36] <CellarDoor> uh... I dont seem to have a source for kubuntu-desktop
[11:36] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what do you mean?
[11:36] <CellarDoor> cant find kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <CellarDoor> no package
[11:37] <CellarDoor> do I have the name right ?
[11:38] <CellarDoor> seems rather strange
[11:38] <CellarDoor> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you must not have the main repositories listed under sources.list
[11:39] <apokryphos> !sources.list
[11:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:40] <_vladi_> hi guys, just installed, trying to setup mp3 support, i use synaptic and have enabled every repository able, but still cannot locate the libxine-extracodecs package
[11:41] <_vladi_> i also tried using 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' and it cant find it either
[11:41] <_vladi_> with all of the extra repositories enabled
[11:42] <Ph3NiX> salut all
[11:42] <Ph3NiX> jai un souci
[11:43] <noiesmo> _vladi_, multiverse and universe required
[11:43] <_vladi_> yes, i know, i enabled them already
[11:43] <_vladi_> settings->repositories->everything is checked, including multiverse&universe
[11:43] <_vladi_> in synaptic package manager
[11:43] <noiesmo> did you update /refresh
[11:43] <_vladi_> yes
[11:44] <_vladi_> noiesmo: do you use synaptic?
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, no commandline and apt-get
[11:45] <IceCreamMatt> I dont know if anyone can help me but I changed my resolution and when I changed it back my login screen res is higher then my monitor so it moves around any ideas how to fix this?
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, but synaptic is gui for apt-get
[11:45] <_vladi_> noiesmo: yes exactly, so changing the repos in synaptic should not be a problem
[11:45] <noiesmo> _vladi_, are you on dapper
[11:45] <IceCreamMatt> yes
[11:46] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i just installed kubuntu 6.06 off the dvd
[11:46] <noiesmo> _vladi_, ok just check /etc/apt/sources.list to be sure and try type sudo apt-get update in termeinal also
[11:47] <xst> After I upgraded to dapper, I have no longer any sound in firefox. How can I fix this?
[11:47] <noiesmo> _vladi_, here http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs
[11:48] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i checked /etc/apt/sources.list, everything is uncommented. i did a manual sudo apt-get update and it still cant find it
[11:48] <noiesmo> _vladi_, you can download from here and then do sudo dpkg -i libxine-extracodecs in the same directory that you download it to
[11:48] <_vladi_> kk cool
[11:50] <_vladi_> when i do sudo install libxine-extracodecs it says..
[11:50] <_vladi_> "Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[11:50] <Icomey> Has anyone here successfully gotten XGL and/or Compiz working on Dapper with ATI?
[11:51] <rraajj> Icomey: A happy XGL/Compiz + ATI user here. :D
[11:51] <tuxcicles> not with the new fglrx package, i had to go back to the previous version
[11:51] <Icomey> rraajj, willing to help me through it?
[11:51] <noiesmo> _vladi_, http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xine-extracodecs/libxine-extracodecs_1.1.1+ubuntu1-2_i386.deb
[11:51] <pd273> rraajj: nice
[11:51] <rraajj> Icomey: Sure. What's the problem?
[11:52] <Icomey> rraajj, or point me to a usable guide?
[11:52] <pd273> unfortunately fglrx does not work properly on my ATI 9200
[11:52] <Icomey> I'm lost on how to get it started.
[11:52] <rraajj> Icomey: Hmm. Let's see...
[11:52] <pd273> Icomey: what your graphics card
[11:52] <pd273> Icomey: card model
[11:52] <rraajj> Icomey: Here's a quick and easy guide: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=916
[11:52] <noiesmo> _vladi_, did you get from ^^^
[11:55] <_vladi_> noiesmo: if i search for amarok, should i see the latest version available ? 1.4 cause i see 1.3.9 as the latest version
[11:55] <noiesmo> _vladi_, not sure sorry I'm running on my suse install at moment
[11:57] <noiesmo> _vladi_, I have 1.4 on suse :)
[11:57] <pd273> _vladi_: on dapper it is 1.3.9
[11:58] <pd273> _vladi_: I believe in Dapper version the latest version of amarok is 1.3.9
[11:58] <_vladi_> okay a friend figured out what the problem was, synaptic doesnt edit the sources.list file correctly
[11:58] <rraajj> Icomey: Sorry, got disconnected. Where were we?
[11:58] <_vladi_> so he told me to edit it manuallly and now i can find the libs and it works
[12:00] <pd273> I think the installation should have an option to ask the users if he/she wishes to include the universe/multiverse repos too
[12:00] <pd273> then one could avoid this repo problem everyone is having
[12:00] <_vladi_> noiesmo: i did check sources.list and everything was uncommented. my friend told me to add some stuff onto the first entry and it worked after that
[12:02] <rraajj> Icomey: Anyway, just follow the link I gave you. The contents'll guide you to it. :D
[12:02] <rraajj> Icomey: And remember to setup 3D acceleration properly first.
[12:02] <yoshu> grrr..
[12:03] <Icomey> Oh sorry.
[12:03] <Icomey> rraajj, How do I make sure I have that setup?
[12:04] <Icomey> fglrxinfo?
[12:05] <Icomey> Hm.. brb.
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Yep. fglrxinfo
[12:05] <Icomey> $ fglrxinfo
[12:05] <Icomey> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[12:05] <Icomey> OpenGL version string: 2.0.5814 (8.25.18)
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Making sure that the output produces "ATI...", not Mesa.
[12:05] <Icomey> As such?
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Good.
[12:05] <rraajj> Icomey: Yep.
[12:05] <Icomey> Alright.
[12:06] <Icomey> Be right back then.
[12:06] <Healot> yo kubuntuans
[12:06] <rraajj> Okay.
[12:06] <judgen> howdy
[12:07] <Healot> Icomey: setting up 3D support for ati eh?
[12:07] <Icomey> rraajj, No effects... D:
[12:07] <donterror> i cant hear sound when i play music but i DO when i log into kubuntu,  some1 know the problem?
[12:08] <Healot> donterror: are you trying to play mp3/mpeg files or such?
[12:08] <rraajj> Icomey: Did you follow the steps in the link I gave you?
[12:08] <Healot> !mp3
[12:08] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <Icomey> Yes, I did.
[12:08] <yoshu> nerds
[12:08] <pd273> donterror: which is the player you are using
[12:08] <Icomey> Made the .Xsession file and all.
[12:08] <Healot> geeks rather, yoshu
[12:08] <donterror> all the players dont work
[12:09] <pd273> donterror: are you trying to play MP3's
[12:09] <donterror> yes
[12:09] <judgen> donterror you have to install mpg321
[12:09] <rraajj> Did you make sure to change gnome-window-decorator to kde-window-decorator, and gnome-session to startkde ?
[12:09] <pd273> you should follow ubotu advice, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:10] <donterror> ok thx il try
[12:11] <boor>
[12:12] <Icomey> rraajj: It's working suddenly... kinda.
[12:12] <Healot> boor: can you talk in English, wo hen hao...
[12:12] <Healot> !zh
[12:12] <pd273> rraajj: nice
[12:12] <ubotu> For support in Chinese, please try the channel #ubuntu-cn
[12:13] <hdcool> hi all, i'm having a few probs i can't figure out... I've looked at fora, howto's, tried as i once did, and i can't get the 'nvidia' driver to work on xorg. It crashes with the allsaying error "screens found but none of them are usable". While trying to fix it I tried the 'nvidia-glx-config enable' thing, and that has rather strange consequences: My original configfile had nvidia entries (duh), and after running that script, the whole file was
[12:13] <hdcool>  nvidia script fill in ati stuff? :) Additional tips would be welcome, I can't find anything new about the thing.. tried everything and every step there is to it, X won't start
[12:13] <judgen> have you diabled dri?
[12:13] <hdcool> yep
[12:14] <judgen> not working at all, or just the 3d parts?
[12:14] <hdcool> it doesn't start
[12:15] <judgen> do yu ahve restricted-modules?
[12:15] <hdcool> strange thing is the nvidia module shows up in an lsmod
[12:15] <hdcool> yes
[12:15] <judgen> and nvidia-kernel-common?
[12:16] <hdcool> yep
[12:16] <Healot> because you have nv's hardware
[12:16] <Icomey> Okay.
[12:16] <hdcool> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!
[12:16] <Icomey> rraajj: Here's the deal
[12:16] <Icomey> It's working right now.
[12:16] <hdcool> some more blabla about aborting and unloading and then it ends with: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[12:16] <Icomey> rraajj: And it was a bit ago.
[12:17] <Icomey> rraajj: But, it suddenly crashed kinda, and went back to normal with no effects.
[12:17] <judgen> hdcool i had the same problem just a few minutes ago.. it seems that for me atleast the latest packages i updated to does not work at all with each other
[12:17] <judgen> hdcool have you also dont the pdate recently?
[12:17] <judgen> like today
[12:17] <hdcool> what update?
[12:17] <hdcool> i just made a clean install like half an hour ago :)
[12:18] <judgen> what xserver are you using?
[12:18] <judgen> xorg?
[12:18] <Icomey> rraajj: and when I start it up, it gives me an error saying: The process for the system protocol was killed.
[12:18] <hdcool> xorg7
[12:18] <judgen> ok, me too... i had big thoubles after installing compiz, ruined the entire system for me. im reinstalling as we speak
[12:18] <hdcool> it's been a while since i've been on linux, what's the package name to tell dpkg -l :)
[12:19] <Icomey> Any suggestions, rraajj?
[12:19] <hdcool> judgen: ii  xserver-xorg   7.0.0-0ubuntu4 the X.Org X server
[12:20] <hdcool> just can't believe my eyes when the nvidia-script puts ati stuff in my config file..
[12:20] <hdcool> it changes more than just the driver
[12:20] <scheuri> LVM-module of kernel seems not loaded during install with server-cd...modeprobe lvmcfg fails...anyone an idea what I am doing wrong?
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, that happened to me, too.
[12:21] <scheuri> and...hi all by the way...;)
[12:21] <Icomey> rraajj: Where you able to fix it?
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: I don't know if an upgrade to KDE 3.5.3 will do the job (I bet not).
[12:21] <rraajj> Icomey: Nope, but there are times that there's no error, but it would just crash.
[12:22] <Icomey> Hm...
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: At the moment, just to savor the full capabilities of XGL/Compiz, I'm using Gnome.
[12:22] <Icomey> So it works fine with Gnome?
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: There's a thread in the compiz.net forums about Kubuntu+ATI.
[12:22] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, almost perfect. Well, kinda perfect.
[12:23] <Icomey> rraajj: Kinda perfect?
[12:23] <Healot> scheuri: the partitioner didn't load lvm mod?
[12:23] <yoshu> did someone say something too me?
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: it seems so...lsmod does not show anything like that
[12:23] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, it seems perfect so far, haven't found any bugs yet.
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: md_cfg however is loaded...which is fine...but I need LVM as well
[12:23] <scheuri> Healot: modeprobe lvm_cfg fails
[12:23] <Icomey> Nice.
[12:24] <scheuri> modprobe...
[12:24] <Healot> scheuri: you don;t need to load the lvm mod
[12:24] <Icomey> rraajj: I will have to install Gnome...
[12:24] <Healot> the partitioner will do that for you... are you missing anything, scheuri?
[12:24] <scheuri> Healot: I dont? partionier has troubles with my SoftwarRAID-Partions which I want to use as LVM
[12:24] <rraajj> Icomey: If you really want to try XGL/Compiz, sure, that's a good plan. Hehe.
[12:24] <rraajj> Woops, he left.
[12:25] <scheuri> Healot: it tells me that the kernel can not be informed about changes (ERROR!!! Ignore and Cancel as options)
[12:25] <Healot> hm... strange, lookup for server-cd bug - > partitioner -> scheuri
[12:25] <Healot> i did my lvm fine with the alternate CD
[12:26] <scheuri> Healot: I have the feeling that the alternate may do that fine and server CD dont...but that would make NO sense at all
[12:26] <Icomey> So.
[12:26] <scheuri> Healot: servers tend to use LVM quite often actually
[12:26] <Icomey> rraajj: After installing Gnome, I just change the stuff in the .Xsession file?
[12:27] <Healot> scheuri: your hardware setting pleasE?
[12:27] <Icomey> rraajj: And of course installing compiz-gnome
[12:27] <Healot> mine consists of 3 SATA disks... work find
[12:27] <scheuri> Healot: 2 IBM Harddisks IDE 80 Gbyte...
[12:27] <Healot> IDE?
[12:27] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes, basically. :D
[12:27] <scheuri> aye, IDE...:)
[12:27] <Icomey> Cool.
[12:27] <Healot> hum... shouldn't be a prob, scheuri
[12:28] <scheuri> Healot: raid worked out fine so far (according to /proc/mdstat)
[12:28] <scheuri> Healot: I now assigned md0 to md2 as "use for lvm", but there starts the problem
[12:29] <Healot> scheuri: did you do the vm manually? or partitioner did that for you?
[12:30] <scheuri> Healot: I made the partitions by hand (with text based partitioner) and said "use for raid" and then configured raid with partinioer...that worked fine
[12:30] <Icomey> rraajj: Unfortunately, my download speeds max out at about 30 KB/sec, so it'll take me a while.
[12:30] <scheuri> Healot: I have now md0 to md2...which I want to use as LVM..
[12:30] <Healot> oh since you change the volume assignment, then the bs starts, scheuri?
[12:31] <scheuri> Healot: bs?
[12:31] <Healot> just ignore the bs, say "problem"
[12:31] <rraajj> Icomey: Lol. That's fine. Mine's capped at only 20 kbps, so you'll do better than I did. :D
[12:31] <Icomey> Yeah.
[12:32] <scheuri> Healot: well...I am able to assign the "use as lvm" (md0 to md2) but when then I say "configure LVM" in partitioner problems start
[12:32] <scheuri> Healot: oh god, my english...beg your pardon
[12:32] <Healot> so, you suspect the changes didn't apply? scheuri?
[12:32] <rraajj> Icomey: I really love the "cube", hehe. I wish XGL/Compiz would start to unravel it's wonders in the KDE world.
[12:33] <scheuri> Healot: they actually didnt...that is correct...then I did not found the lvm module so I assumed that might be the problem
[12:33] <Healot> the lvm didn't save your disk assignment... hum..
[12:33] <scheuri> Healot: but modprobe lvmcfg fails
[12:33] <Healot> hmm.. i haven't change anything yet...
[12:33] <Healot> oh it even fails to load
[12:33] <Chousuke> I tried XGl once. :/ It looked really nice, but was very unstable.
[12:33] <Healot> did you try restarting the setup? did partitioner see the changes?
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: I restarted computer even...and it got all changes of raid and stuff...but LVM does not work
[12:34] <rraajj> Chousuke: Yes, it won't let me use KDE properly.
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: aye, lvmcfg module fails to load
[12:34] <scheuri> Healot: actually...it seems non.existent
[12:34] <Icomey> rraajj: did you get a problem from hittin shift+backspace as well?
[12:34] <Chousuke> rraajj: It's unstable with Gnome too.
[12:34] <Healot> scheuri: during the partitioning stage?
[12:35] <scheuri> Healot: yes
[12:35] <scheuri> Healot: still in partitionin stage...used console 2
[12:35] <Healot> scheuri: no data yet on those partition? scheuri
[12:36] <Healot> can you delete all the volume previously created?
[12:36] <chavo> xgl works fine with kde here
[12:36] <scheuri> Healot: aye, not data existent on those partitions just yet
[12:36] <rraajj> Icomey: Yes.
[12:36] <scheuri> Healot: do yo mean lvm by volume? well, they are not created...I have only partitions (used fpr softwareraid) and three md-devices
[12:37] <rraajj> Chousuke: Yep, still unstable, although it's already deployable.
[12:37] <rraajj> Chousuke: Unlike in KDE, wherein it's really UNdeployable. Hahaha.
[12:37] <Chousuke> I wouldn't use it. :)
[12:37] <Healot> yeah, the previously created lvm volumes...
[12:38] <Healot> and re-created them, maybe?
[12:38] <scheuri> Healot: well...I wish I could...:)...there are none to delete and recreate...they are not made! I can assign to use the md-devices for "use for lvm" and then "configure lvm" in partitioner...but then error occurs
[12:39] <Healot> scheuri: try the alternateCD installer?
[12:39] <Healot> you might want to make sure it's really the partitioner bug...
[12:39] <scheuri> Healot: seems the last ressort...but I would have very much doubt if server-CD is not able to configure LVM
[12:40] <Healot> scheuri: maybe a bug in the isntaller partitioner
[12:40] <Healot> anyway just try the alternate CD
[12:40] <scheuri> Healot: possible...aye, I will...thanks
[12:40] <Healot> scheuri: any other partitions on your disk?
[12:41] <Healot> can you read it under different OSeS?
[12:41] <scheuri> Healot: only one on each disk used as swap
[12:41] <Healot> just to make sure your disk partition is aligned properly...
[12:42] <Healot> could be a problem in disk alignment, just investigate the possibilities
[12:42] <scheuri> Healot: according to mdstats everything should be fine
[12:42] <scheuri> Healot: sure enough...much appreciated..
[12:43] <donterror> there is no libxine-extracodecs package?
[12:43] <Icomey> Does anyone know if the XGL works with other window managers that use less resources themselves?
[12:43] <apokryphos> Icomey: it doesn't yet, no
[12:44] <apokryphos> donterror: eh?
[12:44] <FisherP> What is the general concensus, is Kubuntu upgrade from Breezy to Dapper relatively pain free?
[12:44] <Icomey> apokryphos: Thank you.
[12:44] <Healot> !repos
[12:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[12:44] <apokryphos> FisherP: if you do it properly (following the guide), it is fully supported, yes.
[12:46] <FisherP> One question about upgrading while in KDE, it is better to issue the sudo commands while kdm is running, or should a "sudo /etc/init.cd.kdm stop" be issued before the plunge ??
[12:46] <chavo> actually xgl will work with any wm or desktop, compiz on the other hand is limited
[12:47] <Hobbsee> FisherP: either....for the upgrade
[12:47] <Hobbsee> you'll need to reboot once it's done anyway
[12:47] <apokryphos> Icomey: sorry, I thought you meant taking advantage of the cool effects
[12:47] <apokryphos> only compiz does it properly atm
[12:48] <FisherP> Thanks Hobbsee and apokryphos
[12:48] <azathoth> is there any way to restrict how much cpu access an application gets? like i want azureus to not go over 80% cpu... is there a way i can limit it?
[12:48] <apokryphos> I recommend using ktorrent
[12:49] <Icomey> apokryphos: I was talking about the cool effects, such as wobble, and cube
[12:49] <donterror> i already enabled universe and multiverse but still no package
[12:49] <azathoth> no, thats not the reason i want to stop it
[12:49] <azathoth> it's that when i'm re-adding an old torrent and it starts checking it, after 2 minutes at 100% cpu my pc freezes
[12:49] <azathoth> it doesn't in windows, but does in this...
[12:49] <katakombi> azathoth: you could change the priority the process is being run
[12:50] <katakombi> that doesnt correlate exactly to % cpu usage, however
[12:50] <katakombi> but it will prevent slowing down your system
[12:51] <katakombi> use the setting button with "run command" dlg
[12:51] <azathoth> hmmm... lemme try a few things, i was told that if the ram is full and at 100% funny things happen
[12:59] <Healot> azathoth: buggy torrent client... by the way, it is Java bytecode
[12:59] <bernier> hi, whenever i try to start adept, i get a message that the database is already in use. but there's nothing else using the database. i just rebooted my computer and get the same message
[01:01] <Healot> bernier: give us the exact output of the error
[01:02] <_vladi_> hi guys, can anyone point me to some documentation about installing the nvidia drivers for kubuntu 6.06?
[01:02] <bernier> another process is using the packaging system (probably some other adept aplication or apr-get or aptitude) please close the other application before using this one
[01:02] <katakombi> !nvidia
[01:02] <ubotu> well, nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:03] <_vladi_> aha found it, it was under the "Hardware" section of the kubuntu desktop FAQ
[01:03] <imax> hello. ive postet this question in #ubuntu too. this is no spam ;) ive got a question. ive got an athelon 64 3500+ and i want to install the new kubuntu amd64 version. if i boot the desktop cd for installing he start and hangs on "mounting root file system...". can somebody help me? please
[01:13] <bernier> hi, when u right click on my desktop and choose "configure desktop" , my desktop background turn black, icons disapear and right click on desktop doesnt work anymore.... what's that?
[01:13] <chavo> bernier, that's nastiness
[01:14] <bernier> what do you mean
[01:14] <chavo> that's kdesktop crashing
[01:14] <Hobbsee> bernier: would you have kopete open at all?
[01:14] <bernier> well yes but not connected
[01:15] <bernier> and what should I do when kdesktop crashes? or how can i aboid this?
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there live distribution to try XGL that supports ATI graphic cards?
[01:18] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: koraraa
[01:19] <drayen> cfraz89: know any good tuts to get it working on an installed version (with 64bit)?
[01:19] <cfraz89> i'll look
[01:19] <cfraz89> so xgl, 64 bit?
[01:20] <_vladi_> im also interested in xgl on kubuntu 6.06 with nvidia card
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> cfraz89: it's weird, i tried that one.. but the boot CD can't boot
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> .... it stops suddenly, with the CD light that keep flashing
[01:20] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: thats wierd, what version was it?
[01:20] <_vladi_> Tallia1Kubuntu: do you have a laptop?
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:20] <_vladi_> lol that would be why
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?? why?
[01:20] <_vladi_> lots of laptops dont work properly with linux distros
[01:20] <cfraz89> mine does
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh... mine does
[01:21] <_vladi_> yea, some do, some dont
[01:21] <_vladi_> my friend cant run anything
[01:21] <_vladi_> none will boot
[01:21] <defrysk> laptop - ati -lcd seems to have bugs
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried kubuntu live, kubuntu, knoppix..
[01:22] <bernier> how can i restart kdesktop which just crashed?
[01:22] <cfraz89> bernier: alt-f2
[01:23] <cfraz89> then type kdesktop <enter>
[01:23] <cfraz89> drayen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133427
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:23] <bernier> alt+f2 does nothing...
[01:23] <cfraz89> hmm
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> look in KDE shortcuts
[01:23] <cfraz89> oh yeah sorry, thats part of kdesktop
[01:23] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: is your kubuntu boot cd freezing while "mounting root file system..."?
[01:23] <chavo> bernier, you can run it from a konsole
[01:23] <cfraz89> go to menu
[01:23] <cfraz89> system
[01:23] <defrysk> killall kdesktop
[01:24] <cfraz89> konsole
[01:24] <defrysk> and then try again
[01:24] <bernier> what do i do once im in the console?
[01:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: no, it detect the bootable cdrom, it print something similar to a date in the first line.. than it freezes
[01:24] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: have you checked the md5 sums?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> Anyone know how to get the menu bar back  on konversation
[01:25] <bernier> what do i do once im in the console?
[01:25] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: of iso and cd
[01:25] <chavo> h3sp4wn, ctrl-m
[01:25] <drayen> cfraz89: i think i tried that one - but i will give it another go :)
[01:25] <cfraz89> oh ok
[01:25] <cfraz89> good luck
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> chavo: Thanks alot
[01:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: nope
[01:26] <chavo> sure
[01:26] <bernier> here's what i did
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~# killall kdesktop
[01:26] <bernier> kdesktop: no process killed
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~# kdesktop
[01:26] <bernier> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[01:26] <bernier> root@bernier-desktop:~#
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> You shouldn't run kdesktop as root
[01:27] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: maybe the iso is corrupted.
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> thats why is cannot determine $DISPLAY
[01:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: mhhh, yeah, i could try to download it again
[01:27] <bernier> ha ok
[01:27] <bernier> how do i logout from root?
[01:28] <defrysk> bernier, you are root ?
[01:28] <bernier> yes
[01:28] <defrysk> why ?
[01:28] <imax> Tallia1Kubuntu: yeah but first check your iso ;) if crc is correct then you dont need to download again ;)
[01:28] <bernier> i used sudo
[01:28] <defrysk> key in exit
[01:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: can you tell me how?
[01:28] <bernier> it says "logout" but ir seems like im still root
[01:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !crc
[01:29] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:29] <imax> open the iso with k3b. he will generate the crc of the file
[01:29] <defrysk> bernier, close the terminal and open a new one
[01:29] <imax> then check the crc of the orginal crc of the file on kubuntu site.
[01:29] <defrysk> and then run kdesktop
[01:30] <bernier> defrysk i got a big error message ill copy it on pastebin
[01:30] <defrysk> k
[01:30] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767142
[01:31] <bernier> byt my desktop is working again altough there's this erroe message
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bernier: you still having that kdesktop trouble?
[01:31] <bernier> no its fine now
[01:31] <Hobbsee> darn.
[01:31] <defrysk> Hobbsee, I think he should restart x , agree ?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> defrysk: no, i think he should run gdb kdesktop, and try to make it crash again, and pastebin the results.
[01:32] <defrysk> bernier, make it so :D
[01:32] <bernier> how? =P
[01:32] <bernier> what's gdb desktop
[01:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> imax: can you tell me how check CRC?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> bernier: sudo apt-get install gdb
[01:33] <defrysk> gdb is a debugger
[01:33] <cfraz89> Tallia1Kubuntu: md5sum <filename>
[01:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:33] <Icomey> rraajj: Thanks again for the help.
[01:34] <imax> cfraz89: you got it ;)
[01:34] <Icomey> rraajj: I got GNOME going now, and it's working wonderfully.
[01:34] <cfraz89> :)
[01:34] <defrysk> bernier, more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Debugger
[01:34] <bernier> ok
[01:35] <defrysk> wikipedia \o/
[01:35] <bernier> bernier@bernier-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install gdb
[01:35] <bernier> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> defrysk: bernier this stupid program wont crash when i'm running it under the debugger!
[01:36] <Hobbsee> bernier: run that command first then
[01:36] <bernier> that's what im doing ;)
[01:36] <imax> all: ive got strange problems! while booting(installing) Kubuntu 6.06 LTS my system freezes on "Mounting root filesystem...". somebody knows whats going wrong?
[01:36] <imax> kubuntu 6.06 amd64
[01:37] <bernier> apt-get -f install
[01:37] <Hobbsee> bernier: cool :)
[01:38] <bernier> it tells me to type that again
[01:38] <pd273> How can I force remove an application
[01:39] <pd273> I keep on getting an error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:40] <bernier> ok gdb is installed
[01:41] <Hobbsee> bernier: okay, in a konsole, gdb kdesktop
[01:41] <Hobbsee> then type run
[01:45] <DeBert> Why is it that streaming embedded media still don't work proparly in Konqueror? Or is it me?
[01:50] <GNAM> server install + kubuntu desktop install = kubuntu install ?
[01:50] <achraf> hello,,, udev is causing me problems when i try to boot kubuntu from a diskless terminal, it gives: nfs: RPC remote call returned error 101... while loading
[01:50] <bernier> hobbsee
[01:50] <bernier> i got
[01:50] <bernier> Starting program: /usr/bin/kdesktop
[01:50] <bernier> (no debugging symbols found)
[01:51] <bernier> and the second line is repeated like 15 times
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yep, right - so it hasnt crashed yet?
[01:51] <bernier> then i have ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:51] <bernier> not yet
[01:51] <bernier> ima try to make it crash
[01:51] <bernier> wait
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <bernier> Grrrrr it doesn't want to crash
[01:53] <bernier> lol
[01:55] <Hobbsee> bernier: hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> exacftly!
[01:57] <bernier> it doesnt crash but i do have some error message being written in konsole
[01:57] <Hobbsee> bernier: want to pastebin it?
[01:58] <bernier> ok
[01:59] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767171
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> achraf: hrm, I've got a dapper server/client setup with diskless I didn't have any issues like that.
[02:02] <achraf> LeeJunFan: my server is not dapper, its debian  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191345
[02:03] <mhterres> morning
[02:03] <bernier> hello
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> achraf: what kernel/initrd are you using for your clients?
[02:07] <bernier> hobbsee is my paste bin alright?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> bernier: yeah, that stuff is okay...
[02:08] <bernier> ok
[02:08] <bernier> should i use the blackdown java or the real jre 5.0 from sun?
[02:08] <bernier> for frostwire?
[02:09] <achraf> LeeJunFan: kernel 2.6.15 compiled with root over NFS support and everything....when i disable udev, it gets me to login, so i assume its working(right?)
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> achraf: sounds like it. Now that you mention it I do seem to recall having an issue with udev when I set it up at home, during my testing phases.
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> Although it was months ago and I can't clearly remember exactly what the problem/solution was.
[02:13] <achraf> :) any clues would be very helpfull, i've spent the past two days doing nothing than googling and reading forums
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> achraf: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisklessUbuntuHowto ?
[02:17] <bernier> i'm having a problem, everytime I try to install java or blackdown java adept stays at "preparing installation of sun-java5-bin"
[02:17] <bernier> and it never changes
[02:18] <basquiat> hi, I just upgraded from breezy to dapper and now kmail is constantly crashing on startup (using IMAP), which can be avoided by deleting the IMAP cache, but only until closing kmail, which will lead to a crash again. found a few problem reports, but no solution yet. is there anything known I can do about it?
[02:18] <achraf> LeeJunFan: yes, but i already go the server up and running and serving other distros, + am not using dapper as the server, am just serving it to clients
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yeah, I just wondered if there might be something in there on the client side different than what you've got.
[02:19] <achraf> LeeJunFan: nope :'(
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> achraf: are you using unionfs at all?
[02:22] <ctothej> ATI Driver installed a program called fireglcontrol. What is it? I need to reinstall drivers, so do i need to fully delete the other ones first?
[02:23] <achraf> LeeJunFan: i think no, as i dont even know what unionfs is :)
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, now I'm wondering if there haven't been some changes to udev since I last did updates on my setup. I've got about 25 workstations at a library here running dapper, I haven't done updates in a couple weeks.
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> achraf: perhaps I'll have problems when I do. I don't have anything special done to udev on mine, in fact I wrote that wiki entry.
[02:27] <achraf> LeeJunFan: can you explain to me this step,,, maybe i done something wrong here  make a net bootable initrd.img and copy it to your /tftpboot directory with mkinitramfs
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> achraf: if you compiled your kernel with nfs boot support you don't need that, that is for using kubuntu's included kernel.
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> achraf: that's also the way I did mine at the library (compiled my own).
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> achraf: is your root nfs writable? ie. udev can write to /dev and such?
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, actually it won't need that will it? :0 since it's a pseudo filesystem (ram). duh. hehe
[02:30] <achraf> LeeJunFan: /raid/new_office_root   <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,async,no_root_squash)
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> achraf: same as mine.
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry? what happens if k3b was writing a CD and KDE crashed in the meantime?
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> achraf: I wonder if maybe some option in the kernel is missing udev needs. Maybe you could try with kubuntu kernel and see if that works.
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is the writing failed?
[02:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> my CD burner is still flashing though
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1Kubuntu: it may be the process doing the actual writing is still going.
[02:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what should be the process?
[02:34] <achraf> LeeJunFan: am not sure i understand what you mean :$....do you mean i shall try with the original kernel before i recompile with the root nfs option?
[02:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so maybe i will not have to throw away the CD :)
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> Tallia1Kubuntu: but probably unlikely. check to see if cdrecord is running?
[02:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nope
[02:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somethign is using the CD thoug
[02:35] <Pitchshifter> maybe its just kde trying to read the cd while recovering from the crash
[02:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but if i press the eject button nothing happens
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yeah, thats where the mkiniramfs comes in, copy the kubuntu vmlinuz to your tftp dir, and make an initrd that will boot from nfs with mkinitramfs, copy that initrd to your tftp dir, edit your pxe configs and let it try booting that.
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> You need the nfs to be mounted nolock in my experience (which is limited only tried it once to check I could still remember how to do it)
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: yeah, w/o the nolock it will hang for about 40 seconds.
[02:39] <achraf> LeeJunFan: how do i make an initrd that boot from nfs? and whats the difference between the two ways?what files do i need to edit on the ubunutu installation?
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> achraf: if you edit /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf in your client host, change BOOT=local to BOOT=nfs, then when you run mkinitramfs it will make one that has the modules for netcards and netboot.
[02:41] <bubblenut> Hey, since upgrading to Dapper KAudioCreator isn't working. It prepares everything correctly but when I "Rip Selection" it adds everything into the queue but never processes anything
[02:42] <imax> HAHAHAHA kool! my kubuntu installation works without reason! i just let him "frozen" for half an hour!!! lol
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> achraf: mkinitramfs will make a new initrd image in /boot to go with the kubuntu kernel, copy the vmlinuz image and the initrd image to your tftpboot dir, and set pxe config to use those instead of the kernel you compiled.
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> who is keeping the cdrom busy after a crash of Xorg during a k3b burning?
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> at least i want to stop it..
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's making noise
[02:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ll
[02:44] <achraf> LeeJunFan: ok done that, now i copy it to the tftpboot , and edit tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/MAC to boot the new initrd ? or the kernel? :S
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> achraf: you'll have to change your KERNEL line in pxe config, as well as add initrd=[filename]  to append.
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> achraf: yep.
[02:45] <mhterres> Riddell: ping
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> back in 5 mins.
[02:45] <Riddell> mhterres: hi
[02:46] <mhterres> Riddell: did you think about coming to fisl next year ??? :-)
[02:46] <achraf> LeeJunFan: DEFAULT original_ubunutu   initrd=new_init  APPEND nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/raid/new_office_root ramdisk=8192 ???
[02:52] <zaba> help
[02:52] <zaba> i dont have restart password mysql
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> achraf: I think I did 2 lines in mine KERNEL [vmlinuz] \nAPPEND root=/dev/nfs initrd=[initrd image filename]  nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/nfsroot ip=dhcp rw
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> I can see I think I need to change the wiki to reflect the initrd, originally written with directions using vanilla kernel, I forgot to add change the pxe conf in the wiki.
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> achraf: the more I think about it - I think the udev problems I had were when I left out some plug and play options I didn't think I'd need for ISA in my kernel.
[03:04] <Bladesonfire> Hey, does anyone remember when the Display icon in "System Settings" didn't work, so you could edit a file to bring back the old one...
[03:04] <Bladesonfire> Does anyone remember the location of that file?
[03:05] <ctothej> hey. im trying to reinstall fglrx drivers, but im getting an error when removing or installing the xorg-driver-fglrx using apt-get
[03:06] <lizardmane> What's a simple, easier to setup intrusion detection system for ubuntu?
[03:06] <ctothej> it says: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with  different file `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[03:06] <ctothej> wtf is that?
[03:06] <Riddell> mhterres: I hadn't thought about it
[03:07] <mhterres> Riddell: we you have time, think about it and let me know, ok ?
[03:07] <Bladesonfire> I guess no one knows what I'm talking about?
[03:07] <mhterres> Riddell: correct: when you have time
[03:08] <Riddell> mhterres: it's still 10 months away :)
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> achraf: well, I gotta go rebuild a brake cylinder (not as fun as building kernels), on my more economical vehicle. So I can afford to drive around. Good luck.
[03:09] <mhterres> Riddell: I know, but we have to start it very early :-)
[03:13] <bernier> gi, i installed java and im completely sure its corectly installed but when i run frostwire from the command line it says java is not installed... what's wrong?
[03:15] <Icomey> Okay... I have some questions again... XD
[03:18] <defrysk>  bernier you have set the java environment ?
[03:18] <bernier> i jsut did it
[03:18] <bernier> but i got a new error message
[03:18] <bernier> ima pastebin it
[03:18] <bernier> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767284
[03:20] <defrysk> bernier, you have installed sunjava ?
[03:20] <bernier> well yes
[03:20] <bernier> java version "1.5.0_06"
[03:20] <defrysk> how did you install it ?
[03:20] <bernier> look at the pastebin it says i have it
[03:21] <bernier> apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[03:21] <achraf_> LeeJunFan: it said"please append a correct root="" boot option..unable to mount rootfs "
[03:21] <achraf_> i tried with my other debian and mandriva kernels,,and they give the same error when i start udev manually...:(
[03:21] <defrysk> bernier, a sec
[03:22] <bernier> ok
[03:22] <defrysk> bernier, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:23] <bernier> yeah i did that just before
[03:23] <defrysk> set it to sunjava
[03:23] <bernier> and chose the one with "sun" in the name
[03:23] <defrysk> hmm
[03:23] <bernier>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[03:23] <bernier>  +    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[03:23] <bernier> *     3        /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[03:23] <bernier> i chose 3
[03:23] <bernier> is that right?
[03:23] <defrysk> wellyes
[03:23] <defrysk> then I do not know
[03:24] <bernier> ok
[03:24] <bernier> ive already heard that the 1.5 version oif java didnt work well with frostwire and id better use 1.4
[03:24] <bernier> could it be that?
[03:24] <defrysk> honestly do not know
[03:24] <bernier> kk
[03:26] <defrysk> bernier, you could try installing blackdownjave and set the environment to that
[03:26] <defrysk> java
[03:27] <bernier> ok
[03:27] <bernier> do i need to uninstall the other java before?
[03:27] <defrysk> not sure honestly but i dont think so
[03:27] <bernier> kk
[03:28] <KubuntuInstallie> I downloaded the Kubuntu DVD and now my computer refuses to boot from it -.- Is there such a thing as a Kubuntu boot floppy or do I need to download the CD? :|
[03:31] <visik7> KubuntuInstallie: does cd boot work for other cd/dvd ?
[03:32] <bernier> defrysk jai un probleme en installant blackdown java...
[03:32] <KubuntuInstallie> I have a CD drive and a DVD drive. I can boot from the CD drive, but appearently not from the DVD one.
[03:33] <bernier> defrysk http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/767307
[03:34] <Samuli^> KubuntuInstallie, have you enabled bios to check you dvd-drive for boot and before harddrive?
[03:34] <defrysk> bernier, got you need some expert for that I think
[03:34] <bernier> i see
[03:34] <bernier> such as?  Done
[03:40] <bernier> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:40] <bernier> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:40] <defrysk> you could try uninstalling sunjava and then install blackdown java
[03:41] <bernier> yeah i think that'swhat i'll do
[03:41] <defrysk> bernier, otherwise try limewire maybe that takes
[03:41] <bernier> yeah but i cant find any .deb of limewire
[03:42] <bernier> and alien ain't safe ive been told
[03:43] <defrysk> bernier I think limewire works with alienned rpm of limewire
[03:43] <bernier> kk
[03:43] <bernier> ill try that then
[03:43] <defrysk> bernier, you could try it , you can always uninstalled the .deb you created
[03:43] <bernier> yeah
[03:44] <StageZero> What is the Bash-Command for deleting files and directories?
[03:44] <defrysk> bernier, but its true alien only when there is no other option
[03:44] <bernier> ok
[03:44] <defrysk> StageZero, rm -rf /path/to/whateverfolder/
[03:44] <StageZero> thx
[03:46] <defrysk> bernier, make sure to uninstall frostwire before installing limewire
[03:46] <StageZero> Okay, I've successful configured my MP360 in Windows-Network to be used from Kubuntu.
[03:46] <bernier> i did
[03:46] <StageZero> :-)
[03:46] <StageZero> And I'm new in Linux.
[03:47] <ubuntu_hola> hola
[03:47] <defrysk> StageZero, cool :)
[03:47] <ubuntu_hola> alguien habla espaol
[03:47] <bernier> i got the same message with limewire
[03:47] <defrysk> !es
[03:47] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:48] <kkathman> good morning all (or whatever time it is where you are) :)
[03:48] <defrysk> bernier, I am out of resources then :(
[03:48] <vinboy> how do I make konqueror similar to Windows Explorer?? (with side-bar and it updates when I go navigate thru)
[03:48] <bernier> well with limewire the limewire splashscreen appears
[03:48] <bernier> but then closes and nothing happens
[03:49] <defrysk> bernier, did you install java from the repo or as suggested in the wiki ?
[03:49] <v3ctor> vinboy: f9
[03:49] <bernier> repo
[03:49] <ubuntu> ok, gracias
[03:49] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:49] <defrysk> bernier, check if limewire is in the panel
[03:49] <bernier> it is
[03:49] <vinboy> v3ctor: cool thx... but when i go navigate thru, the side-pane doesn't update itself
[03:49] <defrysk> running in the background
[03:49] <defrysk> ?
[03:50] <bernier> wow it works now
[03:50] <bernier> limewire is working! :P
[03:50] <defrysk> yes I thought so , it was docked right ?
[03:50] <bernier> no
[03:50] <bernier> i tryed again
[03:50] <bernier> and it worked
[03:50] <bernier> lol
[03:51] <defrysk> bernier, frostwire is the opensourcefork of limewire but needs some more work
[03:51] <defrysk> try frostiwre again later for its open source meaning better
[03:51] <bernier> yeah i know
[03:51] <defrysk> good :)
[03:51] <bernier> i would have prefered it =/
[03:52] <defrysk> yes but what can you do
[03:52] <v3ctor> i have been using apollon instaead of limewire
[03:52] <CellarDoor> hello
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: are you using ktorrent 2 ? (I usually only use rtorrent)
[03:53] <defrysk> bernier, and as far as p2p is concerned you might like nicotine
[03:53] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, yes 2
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: Do you have a source deb ?
[03:53] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, propely debugged and running nicely
[03:54] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to install flash from the macromedia/adobe website and I'm wondering what a valid installation path would be as the installer doesn't accept /usr/lib/firefox... ?
[03:54] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, not sourcedeb but a .deb from the forum
[03:54] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188530 works flawlessly
[03:55] <CellarDoor> !flash
[03:55] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: I wouldn't trust anything hosted off rapidshare.de
[03:55] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, and uses way less resources
[03:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all, How do I get Konq to show all of my drives and partitions
[03:56] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, well It runs fine so..
[03:56] <bernier> Hmmm i dwled a song but only the limewire player can read it amarok cant read =/
[03:56] <KubuntuInstallie> Is there a way to create a boot floppy so that I can then install from the DVD?
[03:56] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, otherwise contact psychicdragon for the sources
[03:56] <Jack_Sparrow> WHy not bootable DVD?
[03:56] <v3ctor> Jack_Sparrow: you want konq to be used as a partitioning tool?
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> defrysk: I wouldn't trust it without a source deb (I can build it from the source tarball but want to make a deb properly)
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Not as partitioning tool, just for fat32 partition
[03:57] <KubuntuInstallie> Jack_Sparrow: My PC refueses to boot from DVD
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> read and write
[03:57] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, Hobbsee is working on it but had probs
[03:57] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, so contact Hobbsee
[03:57] <Hobbsee> what's this for?
[03:57] <v3ctor> Jack_Sparrow: you need to add the partiton to the /etc/fatab and mount it
[03:57] <Jack_Sparrow> that is where I messed it all up
[03:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I added the partiition but did not know where to mount it.
[03:58] <defrysk> h3sp4wn, wants to work on a deb for ktorrent Hobbsee
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: Do you have a source deb for ktorrent 2 ?
[03:58] <v3ctor> mountit where  ever you want
[03:58] <v3ctor> mount*
[03:58] <kkathman> Hobbsee why arent you in bed asleep :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: isnt a source deb an oxymoron?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> kkathman: it's only midnight - and i woke at 1pm...
[03:58] <Jack_Sparrow> mounted it as root and well you guess it.. ended up editing the fstab from Mepis
[03:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  ahh well ok... sleeping late...I remember when I could do that :(
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh - i shouldnt have been
[03:59] <bernier> defrysk do you know why amarok and kaffeine cant read my songs but limewire can?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: i have some form of deb, which requires force overwrite, but i think \sh is now taking care of it
[03:59] <defrysk> bernier, xine plugins you need but ask someone else i have to go now for a bitt
[04:00] <defrysk> my dag needs air
[04:00] <defrysk> dog
[04:00] <bernier> ok thanks
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I will just wait I am not that bothered about it - does apt-get source not use debs ?
[04:00] <defrysk> bernier, check the wiki on restikted formats for kde in dapper
[04:00] <Jack_Sparrow> bernier, sorry to come in late but limewire can and other softwarte on the same PC cant is that correct
[04:01] <bernier> yes
[04:01] <firepol> hi there, I'd like to install kubuntu dapper on a AMD64 desktop pc, what installation cd do you suggest to use?
[04:01] <bernier> that's it
[04:01] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: the source is not a deb.  the deb is a binary.
[04:01] <Jack_Sparrow> are these songs you paid for?
[04:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Not trying to point fingers
[04:01] <bernier> not that one it was a song to test music on linux
[04:02] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[04:03] <Jack_Sparrow> what was the format
[04:03] <bernier> .mp3
[04:03] <Jack_Sparrow> mp3 or ?
[04:04] <bernier> yes mp3
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: Yeah it is definately an oxymoron, I thought (incorrectly) that the source deb included the dsc and original tar.gz and the patch - never dealt with putting any source stuff onto a repository before
[04:05] <Jack_Sparrow> sorry dont know..
[04:06] <bernier> k
[04:07] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: the source includes that, yes - but the source does *not* include any debs.
[04:14] <mrmist> Hi all :)
[04:14] <mrmist> I just installed kubuntu on my laptop
[04:14] <mrmist> worked like a charm
[04:14] <mrmist> couple of issues though..
[04:15] <mrmist> I had to "resize" my xp partition for this, and it seemed to be working fine
[04:15] <mrmist> However, I'd like the "home" folder to be on a separate partition too, and it's not as it is now
[04:16] <mrmist> is there any way I can separate out a partition now ???
[04:16] <xwolf-> how about stealing some more space from winblocks?
[04:16] <StageZero> Is there a good alternative for Microsoft Access in Kubuntu?
[04:16] <StageZero> The OpenOffice-Database-Module is a big piece of shit.
[04:17] <mrmist> huh ?
[04:17] <mrmist> xwolf-: What do you mean ?
[04:18] <xwolf-> mrmist considering your windows partition has space available, make another partition out of it
[04:18] <mrmist> xwolf-: And there's a tool for that ?
[04:19] <mrmist> I can't just "compact" the partition with Kubuntu on it, and then make another ext3 partition ?
[04:20] <xwolf-> i guess Qtparted should do it. i know there is a Gparted for Gnome
[04:20] <xwolf-> but you should be asking somebody more experienced. gotta get to java coding now, cya.
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I know (now) - I knew that once you got it, that it was not in a deb - Do you build cross compile your packages for ppc also ? (if so do you know do you do it ?)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: no i dont.  i believe you need to build in a ppc chroot if you're wanting to do that
[04:22] <defrysk>  bernier got your yuk sound ?
[04:23] <bernier> someone jsut gave me a link ill try it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[04:23] <ubotu> well, chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:23] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: ^
[04:23] <defrysk> bernier, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs does the trick ;)
[04:24] <mrmist> xwolf-: Think it's better to repartition some of the ntfs-drive than the linux partition ??
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: But how do run a ppc chroot on x86 (I actually want to compile for mipsel but presume the process would be the same)
[04:24] <bernier> that's exactly what i just read on a website ;)
[04:24] <defrysk> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s03.html right ?  I cant remember
[04:25] <xwolf-> /etc/fstab?
[04:25] <mrmist> xwolf-: thanks :) I'll try
[04:26] <Snake> xwolf-: yep. thanks man
[04:26] <mrmist> xwolf-: happy Java coding then
[04:26] <Bassetts> hi, I am just wondering if there is a desktop wiki for Kubuntu, like Newton for ubuntu
[04:26] <xwolf-> thank you
[04:28] <defrysk> Bassetts, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[04:29] <Bassetts> sorry, i think you misunderstood
[04:29] <defrysk> ok
[04:29] <MikkelRev> Hi, how do I set up my sound and wireless netw. card ?
[04:29] <Bassetts> this is newton: http://newton.sourceforge.net/
[04:29] <Bassetts> but it has bad support for KDE
[04:30] <defrysk> i see
[04:30] <bernier> yaya music works!
[04:30] <defrysk> bernier, yoyo
[04:30] <jwat> is there an openoffice channel anywhere
[04:30] <jwat> ?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> !tell Bassetts about wireless
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jwat: #openoffice i think
[04:31] <Bassetts> i did now ask about wireless =P
[04:31] <Bassetts> !tell MikkelRev about wireless
[04:31] <bernier> anyway i have 45 min to make a 1000 word text in a language which is not my native one (english) :P
[04:31] <NoUse> jwat I think its #OpenOffice.org
[04:31] <bernier> so no more disturbing 'bout linux
[04:31] <bernier> lol
[04:31] <bernier> bye
[04:32] <Bassetts> so no one knows of a desktop wiki similar to newton?
[04:32] <kkathman> newton???
[04:32] <Bassetts> http://newton.sourceforge.net/
[04:33] <kkathman> ohh its a Gnome app
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: It is not in there - It seems to be a black art cross compiling that no one (that I have contact with) knows much about
[04:33] <jwat> no one seems to be there.  In any case, does anyone know the location of the macro that will convert a batch of xls files in CALC to pdf
[04:33] <kkathman> you might try asking in #ubuntu then, Bassetts
[04:34] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: hmmm...ask in #ubuntu-motu
[04:35] <dale_gribble> i recently upgraded from breezy to dapper, and am now unable to print
[04:35] <mrmist> Anyone experienced with qtparted ?
[04:35] <dale_gribble> i see that the printer is listed when i run 'lsusb'
[04:36] <Snake> mrmist: I suggest gparted over qtparted
[04:36] <dale_gribble> but in cups it says '"Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0":'
[04:36] <Bassetts> no offense, but how will people in #ubuntu know if there is a similar program for KDE??
[04:36] <mrmist> Snake: Any reason for that ?
[04:37] <defrysk> Bassetts, how would we know here ?
[04:37] <Bassetts> because you know about KDE and Kubuntu =P
[04:38] <defrysk> yes but its a gnome app
[04:38] <defrysk> not kde
[04:38] <Bassetts> to my logic, you are more likely to know about a desktop wiki for KDE
[04:38] <Bassetts> yes, and I want to know if there is anything like it for KDE
[04:39] <defrysk> http://wiki.kde.org/ there is a forum there
[04:39] <mrmist> I'm more wondering about the functionality of the program now, not a principal discussion.. I need to resize one partittion, to make another
[04:39] <mrmist> Anyone know how to do it ?
[04:40] <defrysk> mrmist, I never resize but I think you can do that with the live cd
[04:41] <mrmist> Yeah... I did it with the live-CD
[04:41] <mrmist> but I need to resize my linux-partition now
[04:42] <defrysk> http://www.nuxified.org/the_ubuntu_dapper_experience has a section about resizing and setting up
[04:42] <defrysk> maybe that helps ?
[04:42] <defrysk> resizing can also be done with the live cd you see
[04:43] <mrmist> yeah I have a dual-boot configuration, so I had to resize. And did it too
[04:43] <mrmist> I was only foolish enough not to think about my need to have a separate "/home" partition
[04:44] <mrmist> like a "my documents" partition
[04:44] <gan|y|med> hi
[04:44] <defrysk> i see
[04:45] <gan|y|med> how can i make vpnc non-root executable?
[04:45] <synmoo> I'm getting ready to install the 64bit alt cd on my box. Am I correct in thinking that the packages are architecture dependant? Will I have difficulty finding packages I need and end up having to compile the bulk of applications and such?
[04:45] <synmoo> I should clarify, not on the CD, but in the repositories.
[04:46] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: you can give the user explicite sudo access to that binary
[04:46] <noaXess> does anybody know a good tool to import outlook .pst files into kde pim software?
[04:46] <v3ctor> or users
[04:46] <Bassetts> anyone know of a program like newton for KDE?
[04:47] <defrysk> NO!
[04:47] <synmoo> noaXess: It would likely be easier to go back to outlook and export various things as vcards or csv and such. Find a format that both kontact and outlook support and go with that
[04:47] <MikkelRev> Hi, how do I set up my soundcard ?
[04:47] <defrysk> MikkelRev, is it not detected ?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> noaXess: you cant do that already from kmail?
[04:48] <neuron_> hy
[04:49] <neuron_> is there any way of updating to dapper without make a cd with the dapper iso?
[04:49] <neuron_> i got brezzy right now
[04:49] <defrysk> !upgrade
[04:49] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[04:49] <MikkelRev> defrysk: when i try to play a mp3, "Totem could not startup... could not establish connection to sound server"
[04:49] <defrysk> MikkelRev, totem in kde ?
[04:50] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:50] <gan|y|med> v3ector how?
[04:50] <v3ctor> 1 sec
[04:50] <defrysk> MikkelRev, try amarok or juk
[04:50] <MikkelRev> Ive tried to different mp3 players
[04:51] <defrysk> MikkelRev, you use kde ?
[04:51] <MikkelRev> Think its GNOME, not KDE btw
[04:51] <MikkelRev> which is the default in ubuntu
[04:51] <defrysk> MikkelRev, /j #ubuntu
[04:52] <defrysk> #ubuntu is for gnome users
[04:52] <MikkelRev> ok
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, this channel is for kde users
[04:52] <MikkelRev> Alright, didnt know that
[04:52] <gan|y|med> v3ctor?
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, np
[04:52] <MikkelRev> But guess if the sound works in one, it would work with the other too
[04:52] <defrysk> MikkelRev, nope
[04:53] <defrysk> MikkelRev, you have to set sound to esd in gnome
[04:53] <defrysk> gstreamer properties
[04:53] <defrysk> MikkelRev, do gstreamer-prperties and set it to esd
[04:53] <neuron_> well, i downloaded the cd iso, is there any way of doing a fresh install without burning the cd? or at least upgrade from the iso cd
[04:54] <defrysk> MikkelRev, do gstreamer-properties and set it to esd
[04:54] <defrysk> i mean
[04:54] <gan|y|med> neuron_ can't you add the cd to your sources.list and do an apt-get upgrade (or similar)
[04:54] <gan|y|med> ?
[04:54] <defrysk> MikkelRev, and make sure to set your apps also to esd
[04:55] <defrysk> your sound apps that is
[04:55] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: <user> <path to vpnc>
[04:55] <neuron_> gan|y|med, i dont have the cd, i only have the iso
[04:56] <gan|y|med> neuron_ then mount it as a loop device (mount -o loop ...). but burning it might be easier
[04:57] <neuron_> oh
[04:57] <gan|y|med> v3ctor: where in the sudoers file?
[04:57] <neuron_> is there any way i could mount the iso on boot? so i could make a fresh install? or do i realy need to burn the cd?
[04:57] <v3ctor> yes
[04:57] <neuron_> i dont have a cdrw close to me right now
[04:58] <defrysk> neuron_, just get one
[04:58] <neuron_> okay :d
[04:59] <neuron_> chavo, hey :P
[05:00] <Bassetts> anyone know of a program like newton for KDE?
[05:00] <defrysk> can someone get rid of Bassetts ?
[05:00] <neuron_> !newton
[05:00] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, neuron_
[05:00] <MikkelRev> defrysk: ok, thanks
[05:01] <defrysk> MikkelRev, yw
[05:01] <Bassetts> sorry =(
[05:02] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: v3ctor ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/id
[05:02] <v3ctor> gan|y|med: something like that
[05:03] <v3ctor> or you could leave off the NOPASSWD and make themm enter password each time
[05:03] <gan|y|med> i'll try that
[05:04] <imbrandon64> defrysk: get rid of Bassetts why ?
[05:05] <KubuntuInstallie> Sooo, I changed my CD drive with my DVD drive and now I can boot from the Kubuntu DVD finally ^^ . But I don't find a partitioning tool. qtparted does not seem to be there. Is there a way to partition my HD from the Kubuntu Live DVD? Preferably not on the command line?
[05:06] <imbrandon64> KubuntuInstallie: have you tried the live cd installer
[05:06] <KubuntuInstallie> Well I'd like to partition the HD first because I need to install Windows on the same HD, too
[05:06] <imbrandon64> also should be easy enoguht to apt-get install qtparted even on the live cd
[05:06] <defrysk> imbrandon64, nm
[05:07] <Bassetts> is there a way to add a button in the taskbar to show the desktop?
[05:07] <imbrandon64> KubuntuInstallie: you can use the partitioner and then quit the installer
[05:07] <defrysk> Bassetts, yes
[05:07] <defrysk> rughtklick the panel and add the applet
[05:07] <imbrandon64> Bassetts: right click on the bar and "add applet" there is ashow desktop applet
[05:07] <Bassetts> i remember doing it, but can remember how
[05:07] <Bassetts> ahh, thankyou =)
[05:07] <kronoz> !nvidia
[05:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:08] <KubuntuInstallie> I'll try that, imbrandon64, thx
[05:09] <lwells> can i use to adept to get superkarmba??
[05:09] <defrysk> lwells, yes
[05:09] <imbrandon64> lwells: adept also has a search function ;)
[05:10] <imbrandon64> how you doing today defrysk ;)
[05:10] <lwells> i typed in "Superkarmba" did not find it
[05:10] <imbrandon64> lwells: it might be in universe or multiverse have you enabled those ?
[05:10] <pekuja> it's superkaramba, not superkarmba
[05:10] <defrysk> imbrandon64, grumpy with sunny periods :D
[05:10] <ganymed> v
[05:10] <ganymed> v3ctor: i get: vpnc: binding to port 500: Permission denied
[05:11] <lwells> how to i include those
[05:11] <imbrandon64> !repos
[05:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[05:11] <imbrandon64> and spell it correct too ;)
[05:12] <imbrandon64> brb
[05:13] <KubuntuInstallie> imbrandon64, it seems not to be possible
[05:13] <KubuntuInstallie> some lock file could not be opened
[05:13] <synmoo> I'm getting ready to install the amd64 alt cd (raid setup). Are the majority of the packages available in the repository available in amd64 or will I be recompiling a lot of things?
[05:14] <KubuntuInstallie> oops, forgot sudo ... but with sudo it says it cannot find qtparted
[05:14] <ganymed> how do i get non-root user to use vpnc?
[05:14] <neuron_> if i wanna upgrate to dapper, whats best? fresh install or upgrade?
[05:15] <neuron_> upgrade*
[05:15] <nixternal> fresh install
[05:15] <neuron_> tought so :D
[05:15] <nixternal> you can do an update...but i have seen a lot of problems that way
[05:15] <NV_The_Riper> hekllo
[05:15] <nixternal> that is why i always have a /home partition...just for that reason
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> neuron: Upgrade works reasonably well (I upgraded debian sarge to dapper flight 4 with only a few things that had to be forced so breezy to dapper should at least as easily as that)
[05:16] <GeniusDex> hm, why does a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper want to remove 379 packages, including things like amarok, kde, openoffice.org-2, python, and xorg-common?
[05:18] <noteventime> Will something like gdebi be integrated into edgy eft?
[05:18] <ciasa> has anyone here tried the amarok 1.4 package yet
[05:18] <ciasa> I'm having trouble with the xine engine not playing ogg vorbis files
[05:18] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: Why is gdebi better than aptitude ? (I think they want to switch to using smart for package management)
[05:18] <noteventime> ciasa, yes
[05:19] <xst> I have installed ruby but there is no "ruby" command. Only "ruby1.8". This nameing makes some scripts broken. E.g. the lyrics in amarok. Is this a bug?
[05:19] <ciasa> noteventime, have you had any trouble playing ogg files?
[05:19] <noteventime> h3sp4wn, I marely mean non-command line debian installer
[05:19] <noteventime> ciasa, no
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: Have you tried interactive aptitude ?
[05:20] <noteventime> Isn't aptitude like synaptic?
[05:20] <moopere> noteventime: sorta, but better
[05:20] <ciasa> noteventime, could you do me a favor and see if you have a file /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_decode_ogg.so or something resembling that?
[05:20] <noteventime> I want to be able to click on a .deb file  and install it :)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Whats a good VNC client?
[05:21] <noteventime> ciasa, /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.1/xineplug_decode_vorbis.so
[05:21] <moopere> whats the best way to check samba speed?  I'm struggling to stream movies from a winxp box, I think its a netspeed issue
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: I doubt they will ever make it so you click on a .deb and install it (incase it is made for debian sid/etch/sarge and breaks alot of dependancies)
[05:21] <ciasa> noteventime, hmm, i wonder why I'm missing that file
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> ciasa: do you have libxine-extracodecs
[05:22] <KubuntuInstallie> how can I get apt-get to list all packages that include the string "part"?
[05:22] <ciasa> yeah
[05:22] <moopere> h3sp4wn: you can do exactly this from konqueror now
[05:22] <noteventime> ogg shouldn't be "extracodec"
[05:22] <DaSkreech> anyone can recommned a good VNC client?
[05:22] <noteventime> daskreech, xvnc4viewer?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> moopere: Even for packages that may break the system ? i.e a debian sid deb ?
[05:23] <ciasa> i dont suppose anyone remembers the command to see what package a file came from?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> noteventime: ok but It's not in Main
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> moopere: Do you have to run konqueror as root ?
[05:23] <synmoo> I'm pretty much doomed having an ATI graphics card, aren't I?
[05:23] <moopere> h3sp4wn: as long as dependencies are satisfied why would it break your system?
[05:23] <noteventime> DaSkreech, It's in universe
[05:23] <DaSkreech> So there are no VNC viewers in main?
[05:24] <noteventime> I don't knwo
[05:24] <noteventime> try apt-cache search vnc
[05:24] <moopere> h3sp4wn: no, right click on a .deb, choose install and it opens a command line asking for your sudo password.  Its just a really simple script linked to apt-get I think
[05:24] <slow-motion> bbl
[05:24] <noteventime> DaSkreech, try "apt-cache search vnc"
[05:25] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:25] <moopere> no one wants to take up my speed test for samba challenge?
[05:26] <noteventime> :) I havn't used samba for 3 years
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> moopere: How do you install a deb with apt-get ?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: you don't
[05:26] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I didn't think you did
[05:27] <noteventime> dpkg -i
[05:27] <synmoo> Imoopere: I've got an ati chipset that won't start in anything but vesa on the live cd... should I assume that I will be stuck with vesa after a full install?
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Directly anyway
[05:27] <defrysk> synmoo, the ati-vesa thing is a bug
[05:27] <defrysk> synmoo, bugs tend to get fixed
[05:27] <noteventime> synmoo,  You might be able to use the official linux drivers from ATI
[05:27] <moopere> h3sp4wn: I'll have to go check now I suppose :)  I didnt really look into it, but the command line that popped up to install the deb did resolve dependencies, dpkg -i won't do that I don't think
[05:28] <ganymed> sry, have been away for some time... so i'll ask again
[05:28] <ganymed> how do i get non-root user to use vpnc?
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> mooropere: dpkg -i does check dependancies
[05:28] <synmoo> defrysk: Am I being too ambitious with a dual head ati based setup? Thats right.. ati did release linux drivers. What are my chances of them also being amd64 compatible? :-)
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: ati has amd 64 drivers
[05:29] <defrysk> synmoo, honestly do not know for I dont run that material
[05:29] <defrysk> synmoo, listen to h3sp4wn
[05:30] <synmoo> h3sp4wn: I just looked. You are correct, they do. Perhaps I should throw in a different HDD and see if I can get my video running correctly before I wipe out my RAID 0 windows partition.
[05:30] <neuron_> where are all the hotkeys  and settings i have made in kde? ~/kde?
[05:31] <synmoo> The uncertainty of getting everything to work well enough to ditch windows on my primary desktop is a pain!
[05:31] <noteventime> synmoo, What more problems are you having?
[05:31] <defrysk> synmoo, breaking up is hard to do
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> synmoo: Just ditch windows then once its gone then think about how to do it
[05:31] <noteventime> Wasn't hard at all for me :)
[05:31] <neuron_> lol
[05:31] <neuron_> windows was the easyest thing do dich :D
[05:32] <neuron_> bsplayer, Y!Mess and winamp arent so easy to get away from tho
[05:32] <noteventime> I had been using linux a little for playing around with for a few years, 3 or so. Then one day windows crashed and i said "fuck it"
[05:32] <synmoo> noteventime:  I've ditched windows on my laptop. In breezy, I had to bend over backwards and make too many compromises to make it my primary OS.
[05:32] <Burne> Blog cul sur: http://www.idpz.net/tomytom/BlogX.htm
[05:32] <CellarDoor> Hello
[05:32] <CellarDoor> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> I heard xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[05:33] <neuron_> xgl ruls, hehe :D
[05:33] <synmoo> noteventime: Here I am at work, my machine needing a reformat anyway, I'm not so sure I'm ready to deal with all of the potential pitfalls in getting all of the hardware up and running, only to go back to windows in the end because I can't get the video drivers running.
[05:33] <noteventime> synmoo, I've been using Dapper on a laptop for almost a year
[05:33] <moopere> h3sp4wn: Ok, I had a look.  Konqueror -> Kubuntu Package menu -> Install...   <<<--  do this from a right click on a .deb file and it kicks off a script in a terminal window that does (as you though) use dpkg.
[05:33] <neuron_> linux has now three dimensions, windows has only two :D
[05:33] <mluser-work> Is it possible to tell the livecd installer to install/setup grub into /dev/hda7 instead of /dev/hda?
[05:34] <CellarDoor> neuron_: I've just installed dapper tonight and I'm wondering if there's anything I need to know before installing xgl ?
[05:34] <synmoo> noteventime: The laptop isn't an issue. It's running dapper as I type on it right now. I'm happy with how things turned out and am considering putting it on my much faster hdd and moving windows to this older, slower drive.
[05:34] <ganymed> ok. asked differently: how do i allow a normal user to bind to port 500
[05:34] <ganymed> ?
[05:34] <neuron_> nope, just install it :D
[05:34] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok :D
[05:34] <neuron_> cant wait
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: Only root can bind to < 1024
[05:34] <neuron_> i`m installing daper right now :d
[05:34] <neuron_> dapper
[05:34] <noteventime> synmoo, :-) I know how it is, I was running dapper on intel i915gm GPU
[05:35] <noteventime> The drivers are even crappyer than ATIs
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: Either use > 1024 or a program which drops its privs after its in installed
[05:35] <moopere> hey noteventime, I thought it was you - still getting poor FPS on your intel board?
[05:35] <synmoo> noteventime: Thankfully, my laptop was blessed with an nvidia chipset. Using nvidia's drivers, it works like a dream.
[05:36] <neuron_> i`m a wow player, if wow would work on linux, i would have switched ack to windowze
[05:36] <noteventime> moopere, I don't have the laptop any more :)
[05:36] <neuron_> worldnt*
[05:36] <noteventime> neuron_, cedega does wow
[05:36] <neuron_> wouldnt* (damn, i need a new keyboard)
[05:36] <neuron_> i know :D
[05:36] <noteventime> ahh, misread :)
[05:36] <noteventime> sorry
[05:36] <neuron_> i`m playing wow right now :D
[05:36] <neuron_> misstype* :D
[05:36] <noteventime> Hows your performance?
[05:36] <neuron_> +
[05:36] <neuron_> -
[05:36] <mluser-work> Is it possible to tell the kubuntu livecd installer to install/setup grub into /dev/hda7 instead of /dev/hda?
[05:37] <neuron_> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++`-
[05:37] <neuron_> sorry
[05:37] <noteventime> mluser, mount hda7 as /boot
[05:37] <neuron_> well, i dont have grate fps, but its not soo bad either :D
[05:37] <moopere> I struggle with performance on WoW even on its native platform
[05:37] <neuron_> i got min 0.9 fps :)))
[05:37] <neuron_> well, i think is my video card
[05:37] <mluser-work> noteventime: well hda7 is my / which contains /boot.. wont that cause problems?
[05:37] <noteventime> WoW is a crppy game anyway :)
[05:38] <neuron_> i had about that under windows too
[05:38] <moopere> noteventime: Yeah, I but I cant stop playing it
[05:38] <neuron_> my average fps is about 20fps
[05:38] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok, so I've installed xgl, compiz and compiz-kde... do I need to reboot ?
[05:38] <moopere> neuron_: Yeah, me too, 15-20 depending on scenario
[05:38] <ganymed> h3sp4wn: how do i change the port?
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: What are you trying to install ?
[05:38] <CellarDoor> neuron_: or maybe just log out and back in again
[05:38] <noaXess> how can i enable all the printers and pseudo printers in firefox? i see only printers.. print to pdf or something like this is not available..
[05:39] <defrysk> CellarDoor, try restarting x
[05:39] <CellarDoor> defrysk: ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[05:39] <noteventime> mluser, then grub is installed on hda7 if it is /
[05:39] <marcreichelt> hi @all
[05:39] <defrysk> yup
[05:39] <CellarDoor> ok np
[05:39] <neuron_> CellarDoor, no ideea, i didnt install dapper yet :D
[05:39] <CellarDoor> here goes nothin :P
[05:39] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:39] <neuron_> chavo, would know i think, but his afk i think :D
[05:39] <marcreichelt> on my new kubuntu 6.06 some applications (e.g. amaroK, Skype and RealPlayer) can't play sounds
[05:40] <marcreichelt> are there any fixes for this?
[05:40] <noteventime> marcreichel, its a skype problem
[05:40] <marcreichelt> they ran on kubuntu 5.10 without problems
[05:40] <mluser-work> noteventime: no.. by default its being installed to /dev/hda with root pointing to /dev/hda7, I want to install the bootloader and root into /dev/hda7
[05:40] <marcreichelt> noteventime: amaroK too?
[05:40] <noteventime> no
[05:40] <neuron_> why doesnt the xmms eq work?
[05:40] <moopere> on my lappy at work kubuntu has no sound and doesn't recognise the onboard intel chip, but alsa knows its there and I can play sound from the command line...weird huh?
[05:41] <noteventime> neuron_ Because xmms sucks?
[05:41] <neuron_> what should i use?
[05:41] <defrysk> xmms does not suck
[05:41] <noteventime> Amarok
[05:41] <neuron_> lool
[05:41] <marcreichelt> amaroK does not work here
[05:41] <neuron_> amarok sucks :D
[05:41] <noteventime> :) Amarok is a LOT better :)
[05:41] <marcreichelt> wahh
[05:41] <neuron_> winamp style rulls :D
[05:41] <v3ctor> woohoo...an xmms vs amarok flame war
[05:41] <noteventime> btw, it's Amarok not amaroK now
[05:41] <pm> neuron: you suck :P
[05:41] <noaXess> !tell neuron_ mp3
[05:41] <neuron_> nice and simple
[05:42] <defrysk> xmms = mother of all multimedia apps
[05:42] <neuron_> cant wait for xmms2 :D
[05:42] <noteventime> nah, ugly and bloated :)
[05:42] <noaXess> !tell neuron_ about mp3
[05:42] <marcreichelt> !tell marcreichelt mp3
[05:42] <CellarDoor> uhmm
[05:42] <neuron_> CellarDoor, hows it? :D
[05:42] <moopere> mhhrr
[05:42] <pm> amarok is the greatest multimedia app i've ever seen
[05:42] <imbrandon> take mp3 player wars to offtopic please
[05:42] <CellarDoor> nothing seems to have happened
[05:42] <Pitchshifter> hmmm
[05:42] <moopere> mmmmh
[05:42] <neuron_> amarok doesnt even have a decent playlist
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> Is there a qt version of xmms ?
[05:42] <Pitchshifter> !tell Pitchshifter about pie
[05:43] <marcreichelt> nevertheless my amaroK can't play any sound
[05:43] <marcreichelt> neither do realplayer or skype
[05:43] <Pitchshifter> dumb bot
[05:43] <v3ctor> you can't compare xmms and amarok...one is a media player, the other is a media managment system
[05:43] <noteventime> neuron_ :-O are you using 0.2beta?
[05:43] <pm> qt version of xmms + amarok :)
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> I know amarok is qt
[05:43] <neuron_> xmms0.2 beta?
[05:43] <neuron_> or amarok?
[05:43] <noteventime> amarok
[05:43] <neuron_> dunno, installed it with synaptic
[05:43] <noteventime> amaroK has the best playlist support since foobar2k
[05:43] <neuron_> but i removed id fast :D
[05:43] <marcreichelt> but other applications _can_ play sounds (like Kopete or VLC)
[05:44] <marcreichelt> what may be the problem?
[05:44] <neuron_> does amarok have a winamp style?
[05:44] <noteventime> marcreichelt, do you have mp3 codecs?
[05:44] <noteventime> neuron_ yes
[05:44] <marcreichelt> wahh
[05:44] <GeniusDex> it has a player window
[05:44] <marcreichelt> moment
[05:44] <noteventime> nauron_ enable small player i think it's called
[05:44] <neuron_> oh
[05:44] <noteventime> Like, press here if you want a crappier player :)
[05:44] <neuron_> i`ll give it a try
[05:44] <GeniusDex> settings -> show player window
[05:45] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:45] <neuron_> pitty winamps wasnt ported to linux
[05:45] <h3sp4wn> noteventime: foobar2k is considered to have the best sound quality of all the mp3 players (Sound quality is far more important than interface looks)
[05:45] <neuron_> winamp is  the best mp3 player ever!
[05:45] <CellarDoor> ooh I've just realised
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Winamp was ported, and it sucked
[05:45] <defrysk> marcreichelt, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:45] <noteventime> h3sp4wn, Not if you have crapyy speakers like me
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Winamp is a resource hog, anyway.
[05:45] <CellarDoor> I havent installed any nvidia drivers
[05:45] <CellarDoor> :P
[05:45] <neuron_> yeah, but they stopped working on it
[05:45] <CellarDoor> that explains it
[05:46] <imbrandon> please take the mp3 player wars elsewere
[05:46] <GeniusDex> winamp was nice as 2.xx
[05:46] <noteventime> neuron_, Why do you like winamp?
[05:46] <GeniusDex> but 5.xx is a resource hog (and 3.xx plain sucked)
[05:46] <marcreichelt> haah, _that_ was the change from 5.10 to 6.06
[05:46] <marcreichelt> k
[05:46] <noteventime> GeniusDex, I second that
[05:46] <neuron_> couse its nice
[05:46] <Samuli^> h3sp4wn, the sound quality between players are vain at best.
[05:46] <marcreichelt> and what about skype and realplayer?
[05:46] <neuron_> simple to make a plugin, mmanage the playlist
[05:46] <marcreichelt> they worked before I installed (no update) 6.06
[05:46] <GeniusDex> realplayer for linux?
[05:47] <neuron_> view videos, it can even rip cds :D
[05:47] <ganymed> h3sp4wn: i have installed vpnc and i wanna use it without the "root" passwd
[05:47] <GeniusDex> i decided not to update to 6.06 yet
[05:47] <Samuli^> h3sp4wn, I'm saying that listening with 400$ headphones.
[05:47] <v3ctor> yes..reaplayer for linux
[05:47] <GeniusDex> it wants to remove KDE in the update :/
[05:47] <noteventime> GeniusDex, Realplayer for linux is nice
[05:47] <GeniusDex> yeah it is
[05:47] <neuron_> is there any im client that supports yahoo AND its last file transfer protocol?
[05:47] <GeniusDex> a shame mplayer doesn't play streams as well
[05:47] <mluser-work> Is it possible to setup knetworkmanager to not use kwallet to store passwords?
[05:47] <marcreichelt> real.com/linux
[05:47] <andred> neuron_: kopete does
[05:47] <andred> kopete 0.12 does
[05:47] <defrysk> marcreichelt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-7d2f38dce9f1934882f207ab2f4042f72033bf70
[05:47] <neuron_> the lates?
[05:47] <v3ctor> GeniusDex: what kind of streams?
[05:48] <neuron_> and photo sharing too?
[05:48] <andred> no
[05:48] <GeniusDex> streaming video
[05:48] <CellarDoor> Is there anything I need to install for my nvidia geforce 5200fx other than nvidia-glx ?
[05:48] <GeniusDex> it has issues with skipping in them mostly
[05:48] <neuron_> tried kopoet, worst im client i ever saw, and it didnt support the latest file transfer protcol ither
[05:48] <v3ctor> ahh
[05:48] <neuron_> either*
[05:48] <defrysk> marcreichelt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype?action=show&redirect=SkypeHowto
[05:49] <yannux> hye everybody
[05:49] <noteventime> CellarDoor, nvidia restricted drivers but I think they are automatically installed
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> Samuli: I can tell the difference between different codecs on an m-audio delta 44 with 350 monitors
[05:49] <_rince_> re
[05:49] <CellarDoor> noteventime: nah they're not installed... installing them now
[05:49] <marcreichelt> hmm
[05:49] <marcreichelt> realplayer is working too now
[05:49] <defrysk> CellarDoor, you need to do nvidia-xconfig to setup x
[05:50] <marcreichelt> hmm...
[05:50] <defrysk> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:50] <CellarDoor> defrysk: hmm ok...
[05:51] <KubuntuInstallie> how can I get apt-get to list all packages that include the string "part"?
[05:51] <neuron_> KubuntuInstallie, install synapti
[05:51] <neuron_> c
[05:51] <yannux> I use the universal sidebar to quickly go on folder, but I would like that open everytime on the same Konqueror in other tab, even if is it on other desktop.
[05:51] <neuron_> synaptic*
[05:51] <yannux> is it possible ?
[05:51] <imbrandon> KubuntuInstallie: "sudo apt-cache seach part"
[05:51] <noteventime> kubuntuinstallie, apt-cache search part
[05:51] <KubuntuInstallie> thx
[05:52] <CellarDoor> thx defrysk
[05:52] <neuron_> !synaptic
[05:52] <ubotu> somebody said synaptic was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:52] <Mongey> wheres kde's theme manager?
[05:52] <defrysk> CellarDoor, restart x to finish
[05:52] <DaSkreech> noteventime: Hmm I Had xvnc4.viewer installed already :-)
[05:52] <CellarDoor> np
[05:52] <CellarDoor> brb
[05:53] <Mongey> !kde
[05:53] <h3sp4wn> ganymed: I don't use vnc but freenx is an alternative (which I do use) that goes over ssh so does not require another port to be opened
[05:53] <GeniusDex> Mongey: you can select your themes and styles via the control center
[05:53] <Mongey> which is where?
[05:54] <GeniusDex> system settings in your K-menu
[05:54] <neuron_> is there any was of recording the desktop to a avi
[05:54] <neuron_> ?
[05:54] <neuron_> way*
[05:54] <marcreichelt> k
[05:54] <marcreichelt> all applications do work now :-)
[05:54] <marcreichelt> great
[05:54] <marcreichelt> thanks a lot
[05:54] <neuron_> CellarDoor, hows it? :D
[05:55] <pm> which is better? gentoo or kubuntu???
[05:55] <defrysk> pm both good
[05:55] <CellarDoor> neuron_: still nothing
[05:55] <GeniusDex> kubuntu :)
[05:55] <defrysk> CellarDoor, glxinfo |grep direct
[05:55] <GeniusDex> gentoo is only good if you can be arsed to wait for days while compiling everything
[05:55] <yannux> nobody known ?
[05:55] <neuron_> sis you modify your xconf?
[05:55] <neuron_> did*
[05:56] <CellarDoor> defrysk: direct rendering is a yes but I still dont have xgl
[05:56] <defrysk> CellarDoor, I dont care about xgl , nvidia works
[05:56] <pm> defrysk: wrong!!!!
 defrysk: direct rendering is a yes
[05:56] <defrysk> thatm eans its up ;)
[05:57] <noaXess> how can i see which sound card driver is active and enabled now?
[05:57] <pm> kubuntu is a wya better
[05:57] <pm> way*
[05:57] <defrysk> pm, sure if you say so
[05:57] <CellarDoor> defrysk: Im trying to get xgl up and running, just installed dapper and forgot to install nvidia-glx
[05:57] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[05:57] <pm> gentoo is for maniacs, kubuntu is for people
[05:57] <neuron_> CellarDoor, remember to modify your xconf
[05:57] <defrysk> CellarDoor, before glx you need nvidia up so continue now with your adventure :)
[05:58] <defrysk> xgl that is
[05:58] <beavis> xgl is the shit
[05:58] <beavis> without that my ati card wouldnt work
[05:58] <CellarDoor> neuron_: modify my xconf ? what do I need to put in there ?
[05:58] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[05:59] <CellarDoor> ty defrysk, I shall :)
[05:59] <yannux> erf :s
[05:59] <synmoo> beavis: O RLY?  Noticed this thing didnt have make and wondering if there is something that will grab all them common compilation tools.
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> Mongey:  u can try useing enlightenment...
[06:01] <neuron_> make sure in the "Driver" section you have Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"  and Driver          "nvidia"
[06:02] <neuron_> okay, then you wot need to modify it :D
[06:02] <neuron_> wont
[06:02] <Mongey> CaBlGuY: enligtenment?
[06:02] <GeniusDex> taz_: build-essential if i'm right
[06:02] <beavis> synmoo: yeah , if you have problems there is a good guide to get the driver
[06:02] <noaXess> how can i find out, which dev is used for my default sound?
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> Mongey:  yes, it's a desktop environment
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> !enlightenment
[06:02] <ubotu> enlightenment is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155
[06:02] <taz_> GeniusDex: Seems to be working!
[06:02] <neuron_> xgl is up to you, i never installed it before :D today will be my first time :D
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> !burn DVD
[06:03] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:03] <neuron_> hope it wont dissapoint me
[06:03] <GeniusDex> great :)
[06:03] <pm> actually, i don't mind, linux is a free os, you can use xgl if you like but for me xgl is unnecessary
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> so, anyone know what app I need to burn a DVD with?
[06:04] <pm> k3b
[06:04] <neuron_> all linux needs now is a touchable 3d hologram :D instead of a monitor :D
[06:04] <CaBlGuY> neuron_: , it's in the works.. ;-)
[06:04] <neuron_> well, i hope so :D
[06:05] <GeniusDex> i'd prefer a giant touchscreen on my desk tho :P
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> pm:  thnaks. ;)  forgot about that one..
[06:05] <amy_> hi
[06:05] <neuron_> cant wait to see a portable computer with hologram :D
[06:05] <neuron_> and preferably surround :D
[06:05] <v3ctor> i would prefer 7 trained monkeys to work my computer for me
[06:05] <neuron_> a big holo :D
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> seems theres always one for going backwords....  :o|
[06:06] <GeniusDex> i still don't see why an upgrade to dapper (from breezy with kde351 packages) wants to remove 379 packages :/
[06:06] <pm> CaBIGuY: you're welcome :)
[06:06] <GeniusDex> especially not considering it's about all of KDE it's removing
[06:06] <CellarDoor> neuron_: where should "RenderAccel" "true" be ?
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> *looks
[06:06] <neuron_> CellarDoor, in Section "Device"
[06:06] <GeniusDex> 1081 upgraded, 150 newly installed, 379 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
[06:06] <GeniusDex> sounds very not right to me :/
[06:06] <GeniusDex> anyone has a clue why?
[06:07] <neuron_> well, i wanna see xgl thru VR equipement :D
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  just do the upgrade, trust me. It's worth it..
[06:07] <GeniusDex> "oops i just fell in my trashcan"
[06:07] <GeniusDex> CaBlGuY: not if it removes my entire KDE :)
[06:07] <amy_> ok I am needing to know how to do a java plug in *am brand new to kde and linux
[06:07] <GeniusDex> then i'd rather reinstall
[06:07] <beavis> can somone tell me how to run the printer wizard as root?? because i cant install the driver
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  probably cuase dapper don't itilies those files any more..
[06:07] <CellarDoor> neuron_: hows this
[06:08] <CellarDoor> Section "Device"
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     Identifier     "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     Driver         "nvidia"
[06:08] <CellarDoor>     RenderAccel    "true"
[06:08] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[06:08] <GeniusDex> CaBlGuY: i doubt it doesn't utilize the 'kde' or 'amarok' packages anymore :)
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  U will have to upgrade to K3.5 anyway..
[06:08] <GeniusDex> i run 3.5.1 already
[06:08] <neuron_> CellarDoor, add Option "NvAGP" "1"
[06:08] <noaXess> !sound
[06:08] <synmoo> GeniusDex: Perhaps instead of upgrading those packages, it's just removing the old and installing new
[06:08] <ubotu> Help to fix issues with sound can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:08] <synmoo> if you think you're going to have to reformat anyway
[06:08] <CellarDoor> neuron_: what does that do ?
[06:08] <synmoo> why not give the upgrade a shot
[06:08] <GeniusDex> synmoo: it ain't, i can't find anything in relation to amarok or the removed kde components in the new packages listing
[06:09] <synmoo> GeniusDex: perhaps they're bundled in a single package
[06:09] <GeniusDex> i don't have time for an entire reinstall this week tho
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> GeniusDex:  well there is the patches and stuff that dapper helps with. but, if u wanna live i the past, your more then welcome.. ;)
[06:09] <GeniusDex> synmoo: i'd be very surprised if so
[06:09] <neuron_> CellarDoor, it should boost performance, but i`m not realy sure
[06:09] <synmoo> GeniusDex: well it sounds like you've made your mind up. Why are we still discussing? :-)
[06:09] <GeniusDex> guess i'll have to give things a try next week
[06:10] <GeniusDex> i was trying to get a reason as to why the packages are being removed :)
[06:10] <CellarDoor> neuron_: hows this...
[06:10] <CellarDoor> Section "Device"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     Identifier     "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     Driver         "nvidia"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     RenderAccel    "true"
[06:10] <CellarDoor>     NvAGP          "1"
[06:10] <CellarDoor> EndSection
[06:10] <GeniusDex> but i'll try somewhere next week
[06:10] <GeniusDex> after taking backups and everything
[06:11] <neuron_> i got BusID           "PCI:1:0:0" too, dont know what this does tho
[06:11] <neuron_> it should work
[06:11] <CellarDoor> neuron_: ok, here goes nothin
[06:11] <CellarDoor> brb
[06:11] <GeniusDex> neuron_: that BusID indicates the card is in the AGP bus
[06:11] <sdolnack> how can i edit permissions and be able to write files in my xp partition (/media/sda2)?
[06:11] <sdolnack> apart from a commandline
[06:11] <sdolnack> i wanna edit mp3 tags
[06:11] <GeniusDex> is it ntfs?
[06:11] <sdolnack> i think so
[06:12] <yannux> I' need some help with konqueror, does someone can help me ?
[06:12] <GeniusDex> then i think you're out of luck, the last time i checked on ntfs write support (which is a few months ago i must say) it was highly unstable and icncomplete
[06:12] <synmoo> I love kopete. Whenever I see it I always think of Kaopectate
[06:12] <yannux> :s
[06:12] <imbrandon> sdolnack: your only option is captive ntfs and thats not very stable / fast , google "captive ntfs"
[06:13] <sdolnack> wht exactly is the problem?
[06:13] <sdolnack> can linux read but not write to ntfs??
[06:13] <GeniusDex> indeed
[06:13] <synmoo> It can do both..
[06:13] <imbrandon> ntfs is not an open standard ;)
[06:13] <synmoo> but writing is unreliable
[06:13] <fek> sdolnack: write support is unstable and beta
[06:13] <sdolnack> how unreliable?
[06:13] <sdolnack> jeez
[06:13] <sdolnack> really
[06:13] <sdolnack> even for just editing mp3 tags, it's not safe?
[06:13] <imbrandon> sdolnack: very
[06:13] <fek> it will damage your partition
[06:13] <fek> sdolnack: no
[06:13] <synmoo> sdolnack: yeah. It will likely damage the partition.
[06:14] <fek> sdolnack: it's only a bit safe to rewrite hole files
[06:14] <sdolnack> jesus
[06:14] <fek> but not to c hange them
[06:14] <GeniusDex> if i'm right it can't update the file index tables in any way, so overwriting will work, but adding or removing even a single byte will break things
[06:14] <sdolnack> are they even really working on ntfs writing?
[06:14] <GeniusDex> they are
[06:14] <sdolnack> or is itjust kinda backburner
[06:14] <sdolnack> ahh
[06:14] <GeniusDex> i can remember notes in the kernel configuration menus of them working on it
[06:14] <synmoo> sdolnack: They are, but it isn't as easy as writing 'hello world!'
[06:14] <GeniusDex> but things go slow if they have to work by trial and error (thanks to some company in redmond)
[06:14] <amy_> ok I really need to know how to install java on here please
[06:14] <fek> lvm> lvextend -L +115G /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /dev/hda3
[06:14] <fek>   Extending logical volume LogVol00 to 150,16 GB
[06:14] <fek>   Logical volume LogVol00 successfully resized
[06:14] <fek> ahh
[06:15] <fek> ECHAN
[06:15] <yannux> please help
[06:15] <sdolnack> how's Linux-NTFS?
[06:16] <GeniusDex> yannux: what with?
[06:17] <synmoo> here goes. First boot after installing Kubuntu amd64
[06:17] <synmoo> I know the video will error out.
[06:17] <yannux> GeniusDex: I use the universal sidebar to quickly go on folder, but I would like that open everytime on the same Konqueror in other tab, even if is it on other desktop.
[06:18] <GeniusDex> i wouldn't know the answer :)
[06:18] <yannux> GeniusDex: oki thanks ;)
[06:18] <GeniusDex> np :)
[06:19] <Shaezsche> is the linux-swap file supposed to be mounted? when i go into my storage directory i cannot access it, and it is not in use. is that normal?
[06:19] <pipitas> :q
[06:19] <JasonL> how come there is no kubuntu forum in ubuntuforums,org? is the forum now on the kubuntu site?
[06:19] <GeniusDex> Shaezsche: swap doesn't show up in your filesystem
[06:19] <Jack_Sparrow> How do I get access to my other linux ext3 partition and my fat partition?
[06:20] <sdolnack> so is there anything i can do to write ntfs w/o rebooting back into xp?  perhaps something in vmware?
[06:20] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to read and write to them
[06:20] <synmoo> As expected, video corrupted on boot with the ATI card. I assume I can boot into recovery mode to get into the shell to change my x11 config?
[06:20] <GeniusDex> Shaezsche: you can check if there is swap active using 'free -m'
[06:20] <GeniusDex> it should show a number bigger than 0 for total swap space
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> sdolnack: setup a fat32 partition that both Ku and XP can read and write to.
[06:21] <CellarDoor> ok that didn't go to well
[06:21] <GeniusDex> synmoo: can't you press ctrl+alt+F1 once booted to get to a console?
[06:21] <sdolnack> jack_sparrow--
[06:21] <sdolnack> hmm
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> yes
[06:21] <sdolnack> i guess I could, and put all my mp3's on it
[06:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Works just fine
[06:21] <GeniusDex> i have 3 fat32 partitions for data :)
[06:21] <sdolnack> but i'm terrified something would get corrupted, and at this point i don't have an external HD
[06:21] <Mongey> how do i stop a program
[06:21] <CellarDoor> neuron_: X hangs on startup now
[06:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Can you tell me how to get access to other drives and partitions?
[06:22] <GeniusDex> Mongey: one without a window?
[06:22] <Mongey> ye
[06:22] <GeniusDex> you can search for the process in the process manager (which can be opened with ctrl+escape)
[06:22] <Mongey> xdesktopwaves
[06:22] <GeniusDex> and press the big (non-red) kill button :)
[06:22] <Jack_Sparrow> sdolnack: Just start with a small one until you get comfortable
[06:22] <apokryphos> pm: we're not so tolerant here :)
[06:22] <CellarDoor> How do I change my xconf from a live CD ?
[06:23] <sdolnack> small what?
[06:23] <sdolnack> i don't even have enough space free to partition off a good 30 gigs for fat32
[06:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Small partition
[06:23] <CellarDoor> so I can boot my system again
[06:23] <sdolnack> but--let's say i get an external, for the sake of putting media on--it'd be wise to format it as fat32 and not ntfs?
[06:23] <synmoo> How do I redirect STDERR to null? My keyboard keeps pissing off atkbd. 'unknown key pressed' and I can't edit this damn config if that error keeps jumping on top
[06:23] <GeniusDex> indeed sdolnack
[06:23] <Shaezsche> ugh, the germans in kanotix are hard to talk to
[06:23] <GeniusDex> only downsize is the filesize is limited to 4 GB
[06:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Even if you only give up 3 or 4 gigs, you can share important files
[06:23] <GeniusDex> so no DVD images
[06:24] <sdolnack> damnit that sucks
[06:24] <sdolnack> wtf is with that
[06:24] <CellarDoor> help
[06:24] <sdolnack> so there is nothing that i can write w/ both windows and linux that can handle something over 4 gigs
[06:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Most rips are under 4
[06:24] <GeniusDex> not really
[06:24] <Shaezsche> my usb mouse is WAY too fast, how can i slow it down? the options in the control panel dont slow it enough
[06:24] <CellarDoor> I need to fix my xconf from this live CD so I can boot my system again
[06:24] <GeniusDex> thanks to the genius minds *cough* at microsoft
[06:24] <Bluemeus> hello
[06:24] <pm> apokryphos: are you a german?
[06:24] <GeniusDex> anyways
[06:24] <GeniusDex> dinner
[06:24] <GeniusDex> :)
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> The actual movie
[06:25] <imbrandon> sdolnack: there are ext2/ext3 drivers out there for windows to read ext2/3 partitions
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> not all the fluff, you could also use voc's
[06:25] <Jack_Sparrow> vcd divx
[06:26] <sdolnack> i truthfully don't use dvd images that much but would like to keep the option
[06:26] <sdolnack> open
[06:26] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:26] <CellarDoor> really would like some help here
[06:26] <sdolnack> then again, i can alway save them in windows and ACCESS them in linux if i'd need to
[06:26] <apokryphos> pm: read the /topic ; take offtopic talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:26] <sdolnack> i wouldn't have to write them
[06:26] <jbirdAngel> what is a dummy package?
[06:26] <jbirdAngel> libwine and libwine-dev are dummy packages?
[06:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Can you tell me how to get read write access to other drives and partitions? (without trying to edit fstab)
[06:27] <CellarDoor> Jack_Sparrow: I'd really like to know that too
[06:27] <CellarDoor> so I can get at my xconf
[06:28] <CellarDoor> cause my system is hanging during startup
[06:28] <Jack_Sparrow> You can boot a live cd and edit it..
[06:28] <CellarDoor> I'm using a live cd now
[06:28] <synmoo> wow this is turning out to be quite the pain in the ass.
[06:28] <Jack_Sparrow> I use knoppix or Mepis that already have SU ability
[06:28] <sdolnack> what about the Paragon NTFS driver?
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> cellar which one KU
[06:29] <sdolnack> is that stable?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> I'm using the kubuntu live cd
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah.. so we search for the same things..
[06:29] <JasonL> Is there a way to contact  the developers of Kubuntu to thank and congratulate them?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> exactly
[06:29] <Jack_Sparrow> so you just need to edit your one file from live..
[06:30] <CellarDoor> yes, so my pc is bootable again
[06:30] <Jack_Sparrow> one sec
[06:30] <jbirdAngel> i dont know if this will help either of you get access it will auto mount yoru partiitons and i think give you read write access
[06:30] <jbirdAngel> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[06:30] <Arawns> kubuntu is Ubuntu system whitout Gnome
[06:31] <Arawns> maybe the kernel and software is same ?
[06:31] <mrmist> hello again :)
[06:31] <mrmist> is it hard to get OGL to work in kubuntu ?
[06:31] <sdolnack> any word on the Paragon NTFS driver?
[06:31] <mrmist> I really want to have some drop-shadows from my window
[06:31] <v3ctor> unless you are running windows, most all NTFS writes are risky
[06:32] <neuron_> do i need to backup any files before i fresh install?
[06:32] <CellarDoor> I really dont want to have to start from scratch at this time of night
[06:32] <CellarDoor> I just need to be able to edit one file
[06:32] <jbirdAngel> how in terminal do i change directory to my desktop folder i cant get its location right i guess
[06:32] <neuron_> cd ~/Desktop
[06:33] <jbirdAngel> thanks
[06:33] <slow-motion> re
[06:33] <neuron_> np
[06:33] <apokryphos> neuron_: I'd back up /home and /etc
[06:33] <apokryphos> and /var
[06:33] <v3ctor> why /var ?
[06:34] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:34] <Bluemeus> my laptop frezzes by going into stand-by
[06:34] <CellarDoor> If I cant get help I'm going to have to reinstall
[06:34] <apokryphos> v3ctor: logs :P, and *some* applications keep configuration-files there
[06:34] <CellarDoor> this really sucks
[06:35] <apokryphos> !helpme
[06:35] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[06:35] <v3ctor> don't need the logs, and i would just backup the needed   config dirs...to save time and space
[06:35] <Bluemeus> is anybody here who can tell me, why the suspend/hibernating-mode isn't runnig anymore since i installed wpa_supplicant?
[06:35] <mrmist> How do I enable my nvidia card in kubuntu ?
[06:35] <imbrandon> !repeat
[06:35] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you.  You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Please give it 10 to 15 minutes before asking a second time, thanks.
[06:36] <imbrandon> mrmist: follow this page
[06:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I ran the script it says everything was mounted and ready but I dont see any drives or partitions in Konq
[06:36] <imbrandon> !nvidia
[06:36] <ubotu> [nvidia]  Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:36] <Bluemeus> k
[06:36] <Bluemeus> thx
[06:36] <synmoo> how do I stop x from starting? o
[06:36] <synmoo> trying to get the ati drivers installed
[06:37] <synmoo> but setting the video as vesa doesn't work either
[06:38] <CellarDoor> time for bed, I'll have to tackle this tomorrow
[06:38] <CellarDoor> nite all
[06:38] <noaXess> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:39] <armine> heyo all !
[06:40] <imbrandon> 'ello\
[06:40] <armine> howre you ?
[06:41] <nico8481> hi
[06:41] <taz_> Konqueror wont let me open up a folder for me. Just says unable to open.
[06:41] <taz_> But I can open it from console
[06:41] <jaims> hi
[06:42] <taz_> says can not enter the folder /mnt/hdb1
[06:42] <jaims> hs anyone been able to get skype with sound?
[06:42] <taz_> this is a ntfs partition
[06:43] <DaSkreech> yannux: Hi
[06:43] <DaSkreech> What were you asking?
[06:44] <june_starnight> hai
[06:44] <june_starnight> anybody here?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> GeniusDex: They probably weren't being used anymore
[06:44] <jaims> hi
[06:44] <june_starnight> anyone may help me?
[06:44] <jaims> maybe
[06:44] <defrysk> !anyone
[06:44] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[06:44] <june_starnight> i face a problem to connect to msn server.
[06:44] <DaSkreech> GeniusDex: Or they were being replaced by a new subsystem
[06:45] <june_starnight> i failed to connect to msn server by using kopete
[06:45] <synmoo> when running the live CD, where is the xorg.conf kept?
[06:45] <OdyX> june_starnight: no bug.. FEATURE !
[06:45] <synmoo> I can get video to work in that with the safe video boot
[06:45] <synmoo> I want to copy that to my hdd
[06:45] <synmoo> so I can start loading packages and get the ati drivers running
[06:45] <june_starnight> i am using kopete 0.11
[06:45] <nadya> Hi people! Has anybody of you ever burned an iso on a usb stick and installed a ubuntu version from it?
[06:45] <june_starnight> anyone may help me?
[06:46] <yannux> DaSkreech: the option in konqueror to open external links in a tab instead of a new window doesn't seem to work when calling konqueror from another desktop
[06:46] <june_starnight> nadya, nvr.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> yannux: You mean like Desktop 2?
[06:46] <MrSmile> nvr?!
[06:46] <yannux> yes,
[06:46] <MrSmile> Anyone has an idea where to look for it in the internet?
[06:47] <MrObvious> How do I set up my HP 3940 printer?
[06:47] <MrSmile> start cups
[06:47] <defrysk> june_starnight, you have evything setup to go ?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> yannux: And you want it to jump to the konqui you have open on Deskto p4?
[06:47] <yannux> DaSkreech:  for example, open a link from desktop 1 with konqueror on desktop 2,  konqueror open new window, not a tab
[06:47] <defrysk> like passwd and stuff
[06:47] <june_starnight> Odyx, no bug....?
[06:47] <beavis> are there any better apps then ktorrent?
[06:47] <imbrandon> azureus
[06:48] <armine> lol
[06:48] <cfraz89> ktorrent is better :)
[06:48] <defrysk> beavis, ktorrent2
[06:48] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes, new tab on desktop 4, I've already forced to have konqeuror on desktop 4, but It open new window inside of new tab when link is clicke in other desktop
[06:48] <OdyX> june_starnight: I meant that no beign able to connect to MSN is no bug.. It's a feature..
[06:48] <OdyX> june_starnight: that's a joke
[06:48] <beavis> yeah , its good but i dont like to mess with jave
[06:48] <armine> no I prefer ktorrent :p
[06:48] <beavis> java
[06:48] <yannux> DaSkreech: when i click link on desktop 4, it opens on new tab
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Ah :-) Not sure Maybe try #kde?
[06:48] <defrysk> ktorrent rules on my box
[06:48] <beavis> its slow
[06:48] <june_starnight> OdyX, i cant catch u.
[06:48] <defrysk> not here
[06:48] <defrysk> its light and never crashing
[06:49] <yannux> DaSkreech: nobody answer :)
[06:49] <june_starnight> OdyX, what do u mean?
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: MSN is evil, so it's normal if you can't connect..
[06:49] <cfraz89> beavis: try ktorrent 2
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: don't worry. I'm just joking...
[06:49] <DaSkreech> yannux: Be paitent :)
[06:49] <OdyX> june_starnight: but MSN works with my kopete...
[06:49] <june_starnight> defrysk, i nvr setup anything recently
[06:49] <june_starnight> OdyX, oic! what's ur version?
[06:49] <beavis> hmm ,ktorrent2?
[06:49] <cfraz89> its in beta
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: it has always worked...
[06:50] <defrysk> june_starnight, rightclick the butterfly in kopere and go to on line no message and klick it
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: I have 0.12.0
[06:50] <june_starnight> what server do u used?
[06:50] <jaims> bye
[06:50] <OdyX> june_starnight: Microsoft's
[06:50] <beavis> can i get it from a repository with apt-get?
[06:50] <cfraz89> i think a deb is on kde-apps
[06:50] <june_starnight> OdyX, how can i upgrade my kopete?
[06:50] <defrysk> there is a link to ktorrent2 on the forums
[06:51] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes ;)
[06:51] <defrysk> june_starnight, want a newer version ?
[06:51] <OdyX> june_starnight: are you up2date with KDE (i.e. you have 3.5.3) ?
[06:51] <june_starnight> defrysk, yup.
[06:51] <defrysk> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/kopete_0.12.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:51] <june_starnight> Odyx, i am using kde 3.4
[06:51] <defrysk> june_starnight, enjoy
[06:51] <yannux> DaSkreech: someone ask same on the forum today :d
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Cool. Respond that you have the same issue. Lends credence and weight
[06:52] <june_starnight> defrysk, this is from china one izit?
[06:52] <OdyX> june_starnight: you under Dapper ?
[06:52] <defrysk> june_starnight, dunno but it rules on my box
[06:53] <yannux> DaSkreech: yes it's done :)
[06:53] <june_starnight> defrysk, how to install .deb?
[06:54] <defrysk> sudo dpkg -i blahblah.bed
[06:54] <defrysk> deb
[06:54] <synmoo> Why the hell, when I use the live CD and set the video to safe... will the video work just fine? But when I mount my hdd, and copy that same xorg.conf over... it doesn't?  The bootsplash finishes and the monitors just turn off.
[06:54] <taz_> Why cant I view the contents of a ntfs partition using konqueror
[06:54] <taz_> works fine in console
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Excellent :)
[06:55] <june_starnight> defrysk, thanks. i get it
[06:56] <JasonL> could someone help me please, when i end my current session i get sent to the usplash and nothing happens, no text, and the progress bar does not move
[06:56] <june_starnight> OdyX, i am using Breezy Badger
[06:57] <OdyX> june_starnight: well... it won't be possible to update "as is"...
[06:57] <defrysk> june_starnight, not sure if it works on breezy
[06:57] <OdyX> june_starnight: but it should "just wokr"
[06:57] <neuron_> hey, just installed dapper drake in about 10 mins :D
[06:57] <neuron_> but i have a problem