[01:45] <nixternal> if you want to test the KDE 4.1 Beta 1 packages for Hardy, I have the base packages complete in the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[01:45] <jjesse> its about time ;)
[01:46] <jjesse> which ppa is that?
[01:47] <jjesse> is that ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu main?
[01:48] <nixternal> kubuntu-members-kde4
[01:48] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[01:49] <Jucato> Unstated disclaimer:  <nixternal> if anyone grabs the kde4.1 beta1 packages from the ppa and it destroys your system, don't say I didn't just tell you...there is a darn good chance of data loss yet
[01:49] <nixternal> that is pretty much over with
[01:49] <nixternal> I just tested an update and it went smooth
[01:49] <Jucato> :D
[01:50]  * jjesse takes a snapshot
[01:50] <nixternal> jjesse: good move
[01:50]  * Jucato gets his camera
[01:50] <nixternal> I forgot about using virtualbox
[01:50]  * Jucato moins nixternal and jjesse
[01:50] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[01:51]  * Jucato is excited...
[01:51] <nixternal> howdy Jucato and jjesse
[01:51] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[01:51] <jjesse> about what Jucato?
[01:51] <Jucato> openSUSE 11
[01:51] <Jucato> hahah j/k!
[01:51]  * nixternal kicks Jucato in the shins
[01:51] <Jucato> my classes start on the 7th
[01:51] <nixternal> rock on!
[01:51] <nixternal> I should be starting work on that same day :)
[01:51] <jjesse> yay for work
[01:52] <nixternal> yes...managing a linux distro though? wth did I get myself into
[01:52] <Jucato> :D
[01:52] <Jucato> yay for school and work!!!
[01:52] <Jucato> so I have 1 more week to get distracted
[01:52] <nixternal> hopefully I can change them from doing their own distro and utilizing another distro and just creating appliance releases
[01:52] <jjesse> 26 more days till the babies due date
[01:53] <Jucato> I already have my modules (books)... all I need now are instructions on what to do with them (other then read them of course)
[01:53] <nixternal> looks like I will be the "Linux Packaging and Development Engineer" as well as the "Open Source Community Manager" for the company
[01:53] <jjesse> i want one of your businnes cards
[01:53] <nixternal> gimme a couple of weeks after I start :)
[01:54] <nixternal> my interview last week, the one engineer had Kubuntu jokes
[01:54] <jjesse> awesome, what does a kubuntu joke sound like?
[01:54] <nixternal> he said "don't worry, there is no way we would treat you like a 2nd class citizen here"
[01:54] <nixternal> I told him "quit reading blogs!"
[01:54] <Jucato> lol
[01:54] <Jucato> specially my blog :)
[01:58] <jjesse> lol
[01:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:58] <nixternal> no doubt
[01:58] <jjesse> wow 42 packages upgraded and 8 new ones ;0
[01:58] <jjesse> nice
[02:02] <jjesse> hrmm this is interesting, trying to do a svn diff and getting an error about finding a temp dir
[02:02] <jjesse> doh i ran out of space
[02:02] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:02] <jjesse> wonder how that is going to work mid upgrade
[02:06] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:06] <nixternal> oh man, I do not like the sound of 'hrmm'
[02:06] <nixternal> please, no more kdebase-workspace borkage :P
[02:08] <jjesse> nixternal: i'm at 100% disk usaage in this vm
[02:08] <jjesse> need to figure something out
[02:08] <vorian> so nixternal, MoM or DaD?
[02:08] <nixternal> MoM!!!!!
[02:08] <jjesse> MoM ? DaD?
[02:08] <nixternal> actually, I could care less
[02:09] <nixternal> I used to use DaD because it gave me cleaner diffs to us
[02:09] <nixternal> e
[02:09] <nixternal> but MoM has had some clean diffs recently
[02:09] <vorian> DaD has the nice notes
[02:09] <nixternal> and by clean I mean, not a ton of .po crap in the diffs
[02:09] <vorian> hehe
[02:09] <nixternal> ya, wish mom had the notes
[02:10] <jjesse> afk taking out trash, walking dog and cleaning up or adding space on my vm
[02:19] <eddieftw> nixternal: you broke my computer! :p
[02:20] <claydoh> nixternal: you can't win, over in k - u ml :(
[02:21] <claydoh> I almost worked myself up into a similar post to yours, but i ain't that good at it, and it would just add to the noise
 nixternal: you broke my computer! <-- tsk tsk
[02:25] <nixternal> yup
[02:25] <Jucato> another customer broken by nixternal
[02:25] <nixternal> he deserves it though
[02:25] <Jucato> aw.. poor eddie :)
[02:25] <Jucato> baaaad richard :)
[02:26] <nixternal> can't figure out the man page overwrite right now
[02:41] <jjesse> ok restarting now that i've cleaned up some space
[02:41] <jjesse> lets see what happens w/ the upgrad ee;0
[02:43] <eddieftw> hi jjesse
[02:44] <jjesse> hello eddieftw
[02:46] <jjesse> nixternal: not booting to a graphical sesion
[02:47] <nixternal> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:47] <nixternal> RGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[02:48] <nixternal> jjesse: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[02:48] <jjesse> yes i did
[02:48] <jjesse> should i have?
[02:49] <nixternal> yes..that was correct
[02:49] <nixternal> are you coming up to kdm/gdm at all?
[02:49] <jjesse> instersting startx works and now getting a kde 4.devel start screen
[02:49] <jjesse> no kdm at all
[02:49] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:49] <nixternal> did you select kdm-kde4 as the default manager?
[02:49] <jjesse> i wasn't prompted
[02:50] <nixternal> ok, so you were already using kdm-kde4 then
[02:50] <jjesse> i just have kubuntu remix installed
[02:50] <vorian> ok, one down.  turned out to be a sync
[02:51] <vorian> nixternal: what's weird about starting out with watch files?  :P
[02:52] <jjesse> stupid question how do i reconfigure it to make sure i'm using kdm-kde4
[02:54] <vorian> nixternal: can you also take a peek at bug #179828 and get the mother off my back! :)
[02:55] <nixternal> jjesse: I think 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-display-manager
[02:55] <harolddong> so when I install kubuntu-kde4-desktop I'm supposed to choose kdm-kde4 and the default manager?
[02:56] <nixternal> up to you
[02:56] <nixternal> I don't, cuz I had issues with kdm-kde4 way back
[02:56] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:56] <nixternal> jjesse: that didn't do it?
[02:57] <nixternal> if not, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde4' and see what you get
[02:57] <jjesse> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde4 returns nothing
[02:57] <jjesse> just kicks me back to the prompt
[02:58] <Jucato> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[02:58] <jjesse> kdm is not installed
[02:58] <vorian> yeah, it wouldn't be in remix
[02:59] <jjesse> is kwin the window manager?  should i have kwin-kde4 installed?
[02:59] <Jucato> ohh right..
[02:59] <nixternal> jjesse: kde-window-manager
[02:59] <nixternal> that should remove kwin-kde4
[02:59] <jjesse> ah ok i don't have kwin-kde4 installed
[03:00] <Jucato> -_-
[03:02] <nixternal> jjesse: dpkg -l kde-window-manager
[03:02] <nixternal> see if that is installed...it should be if kwin-kde4 is gone
[03:02] <jjesse> failed to read archive kde-window-manager: no such file or directory
[03:03] <jjesse> ok be back in 20 mins wife is calling
[03:03] <nixternal> everyone has a different problem...this is starting to become a real pita
[03:17] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:17] <nixternal> >.< this close to not being nice
[03:18] <Jucato> kdegames co is taking waaay too long :(
[03:19] <harolddong> how many packages is the beta supposed to be all together?
[03:20] <nixternal> harolddong: when it is all done it will be all of them
[03:20] <nixternal> until then, it is only about 5 of them
[03:20] <harolddong> I'm still getting the man overwrite error?
[03:20] <nixternal> right now the plan is to get the base packages fixed so they aren't borking stuff
[03:20] <harolddong> is ther a way around that?
[03:21] <nixternal> harolddong: wait until the new kdebase-workspace finishes and re-update and upgrade
[03:21] <nixternal> also, for tech support q's, head over to #kubuntu-kde4
[03:21] <vorian> hell yes! Tracy Morgan is going to be hosting Scare Tatics
[03:21] <nixternal> everyone is in there that is testing and bringing the problems up so I can look at fixing them
[03:21] <nixternal> they are bringing back scare tactics?
[03:22] <vorian> yes!
[03:22] <vorian> July 9th
[03:22] <vorian> i love that show
[03:22] <Jucato> when is openSUSE 11's release?
[03:22] <nixternal> hehe, that show rocked
[03:22] <nixternal> Jucato: I am about to go kung-fu on you!
[03:23] <nixternal> muhahaha
[03:23] <Jucato> as long as it isn't gung-fu :)
[03:23] <nixternal> haha
[03:23] <nixternal> good catch :p
[03:23] <Jucato> :D
[03:23] <nixternal> I am getting to the point to where I don't even want to continue these beta packages
[03:23] <Jucato> win-fu would be worse
[03:23] <nixternal> people keep whining, and all it is doing is really pissing me off
[03:24] <Jucato> you're not used to it yet? :)
[03:24] <Jucato> the whining I mean
[03:24] <nixternal> these weren't even going to get done, but I decided to do it for everyone
[03:24] <Jucato> people love to wine
[03:24] <Jucato> er.. whine
[03:24] <nixternal> Jucato: right now, I am getting so many PMs about it
[03:24] <nixternal> I don't mind "hey, I am testing what you have in PPA, and this is the error I am getting"
[03:25] <nixternal> not "when are the beta packages going to get done???"
[03:25] <Jucato> or "the kde4 beta packages are broken"
[03:25] <nixternal> I feel like putting a rootkit in the packages and pwning the world :P
[03:28] <nixternal> then again, rootkits don't get ya far in *buntu anyways
[03:29] <Jucato> well can't you just make a package that will run rm -rf / there?
[03:29] <Jucato> I mean, it's running in sudo anyway...
[03:29] <vorian> hmm, that would be a treat
[03:29] <nixternal> that it would
[03:29] <nixternal> I would pay to see that one, even if I am broke :)
[03:30] <nixternal> the next time I do something like this, I will disconnect from IRC and email the entire time
[03:30] <nixternal> and....I will not upload the packages anywhere people can find them
[03:30] <Jucato> you? broke?
[03:30] <nixternal> yes, me, broke
[03:30] <Jucato> !nixternal
[03:30] <Jucato> oh you're lucky, no bot
[03:30] <nixternal> I haven't paid the monthly bot fee
[03:30] <Jucato> wb jjesse_ with a tail
[03:30] <nixternal> jjesse: is it still broke?
[03:31] <Jucato> did nixternal break you too?
[03:31] <jjesse_> nixternal: i love your posts on kubuntu-users
[03:31] <jjesse_> thanks :)
[03:31] <jjesse_> yes he did
[03:31]  * Jucato unsubscribed from k-users ml a long time ago
[03:31] <nixternal> jjesse_: I am filing a wishlist for kdepim/kmail:: [Wishlist] Allow me to send a punch through email
[03:31] <jjesse_> i ttoally agree
[03:31] <jjesse_> +1 to that idea
[03:32] <nixternal> the reason I haven't is because sometimes there are decent ideas on there, or valid issues that need fixing
[03:32] <jjesse_> i'm sick of the kde4 sucks this shouldn't be a major release
[03:32] <Jucato> nixternal: I think "sometimes" is a bit of an overstatement
[03:32] <jjesse_> if you have problems go talk to #kde-devel
[03:32] <nixternal> jjesse_: you can't have it...you would pull a holyfield on me
[03:32] <nixternal> then I would have to file a wishlist report that would allow me to bite your ear off
[03:32] <jjesse_> lol
[03:33] <nixternal> jjesse_: damn, I forgot to add that to my last email
[03:33]  * Jucato thinks there is more noise in the ML than in kubuntuforums actually... but I'm no longer monitoring both...
[03:33] <nixternal> whining to us isn't going to get KDE 4 fixed up to act like windows vista for you
[03:33] <Jucato> guys, can't you just make a wishlist for sending (physical) violence through e-mail? then you'd get to choose which kind you wish to inflict
[03:33] <Jucato> er.. implement
[03:34] <jjesse_> lol that's even better
[03:34]  * jjesse_ heads to bugs.kde.org
[03:34] <jjesse_> i wonder if the problem i'm having is with vmware-tools and the x config and not the upgrade/update
[03:36] <Daskreech> What?
[03:36] <Daskreech> Oh
[03:36] <Daskreech> I thought Jucato had 22 days for his baby's due date
[03:36] <Jucato> I'm not pregnant!!!
[03:36] <jjesse_> lol that's hiloarus
[03:36]  * Jucato kicks Daskreech
[03:36] <jjesse_> i have 22 days
[03:37] <Jucato> where are you giving birth?
[03:37] <Jucato> ;)
[03:38] <jjesse_> i'm reverting my snapshot
[03:38] <nixternal> on IRC
[03:38] <Jucato> wow!
[03:38] <jjesse_> and going to free up disk  space and try the update again
[03:38] <Jucato> our first IRC-born :)
[03:38] <jjesse_> there is free wi-fi in the birthing rooms
[03:39] <santiago-ve> hey guys... can someone of you take a look to kpogre?.. it is at revu~ i was going to try pack it but someone already did... and well its an interesting package ... :p
[03:39] <jjesse_> speaking of hositprals nixternal did you see/hear about the helocopter crash at butterworth?
[03:39] <nixternal> jjesse_: you my friend have bad DDR...I asked you about it the other day and you said you were in Ohio
[03:40] <jjesse_> oh yeah sorry bout that
[03:40] <nixternal> hahahaha
[03:40] <jjesse_> ok i'm cleaning up disk spce on my vm and trying upgrade again
[03:41] <Jucato> jjesse_: maybe you could also try cleaning your RAM as well :)
[03:41] <nixternal> ya, it has cobwebs
[03:41] <Jucato> you apparently have a bad DDR. or is that nixternal's fault too?
[03:41] <nixternal> kdebug() << "nixternal is broken";
[03:41] <jjesse> i read on kubuntu-users mailing list everything was nixternal's fault
[03:42] <Jucato> alias nixternal=soyuz
[03:42] <Jucato> was it soyuz? now I can't remember
[03:42] <Jucato> hahaha
[03:42] <nixternal> no way, the soyuz recently had a very rough landing
[03:43] <Jucato> lol
[03:43] <claydoh> Jucato !!  howdy
[03:43] <Jucato> and you're still up in the air and already you have it rough :)
[03:43] <Jucato> yo claydoh!!
[03:44] <Jucato> brb.. need/want to buy something sweet to eat and something sweet to wash it down
[03:46]  * nixternal goes for some cake
[03:46] <jjesse> mmm cake
[03:46] <jjesse> it has to be wheat free cake for me
[03:47] <claydoh> ice cream here :)
[03:47] <jjesse> bed here soon
[03:56] <jjesse> nixternal: updated from snapshot and restarted kde, working so far
[03:57] <jjesse> rebooting
[03:57] <jjesse> noticed the application launcher is no longer displayed
[03:58] <jjesse> might have to recreat my .kde4
[03:58] <jjesse> nixternal; nope still doesn't boot to kdm
[03:59] <jjesse> nixternal: bug!!!!!!!
[04:00] <jjesse> ./kdm-kde4: 128: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[04:00] <jjesse> got that upon shutting down and starting up
[04:00] <jjesse> come back from your cake ;0
[04:07] <jjesse> nixternal: going to bed see last comment ./kdm-kde4: 128: Syntax error: ";;" unxpeected (expecting "fi")
[04:10] <vorian> CAKE!
[04:14] <nixternal> mmm cake
[04:16] <nixternal> see, I just updated kde 4.1 beta 1 with both kde3 and kde4 installed on a fresh install w/o any issues
[04:16] <nixternal> now to test to see if it runs
[04:17] <nixternal> jjesse: I have no idea why you are getting that...I just updated a fresh install that had both kde3 and kde4 installed w/o any problems
[04:17] <nixternal> kde 4.1 beta 1 up and running
[04:23] <Daskreech> Cake is a lliiieeeeee
[04:23] <Daskreech> apt-get install kake ^_^
[05:42] <eddieftw> nixternal: ping?
[05:43] <nixternal> what?
[05:44] <eddieftw> you broke my computer!
[05:44] <eddieftw> i said i would help you test
[05:44] <eddieftw> and then you disappeared
[05:49] <nixternal> yes, I am busy breaking other people's computers as well!
[05:49] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:49] <nixternal> that should fix your troubles
[05:52] <nixternal> kdebase-* is a real pita I tell you :)
[05:56] <eddieftw> i did that
[05:56] <eddieftw> is when everything broke ;p
[06:00] <nixternal> do it again newb
[06:00] <nixternal> brb, gotta take the dogs for a walk....I should walk over to your house and let them eat you!
[06:01] <eddieftw> they wont be stuffed
[06:02] <cartman> mon
[06:02] <cartman> moin even
[06:13] <eddieftw> it seems to be working now nixternal
[06:14] <nixternal> of course it does
[06:17] <nixternal> apachelogger: what was your fix to get icons showing up in kickoff way back during the 4.0.0 days? I can't find a 4.0.0-0ubuntu2 diff of your changes
[06:18] <nixternal> something about paths is all it says in the changelog, and I am seeing no icons right now in kickoff under kde 4.1 beta 1
[06:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: nevermind those icon questions
[06:47] <nixternal> had to blow away ~/.kde4
[06:51] <Daskreech> \o/
[07:02] <eddieftw> nixternal: so are we done? is that all that testing the 4.1 package consists of?
[07:06] <Daskreech> Doesit all work? :)
[07:06] <eddieftw> no complaints from apt
[07:08] <Daskreech> Do you get a KDM on bootup?
[07:08] <nixternal> you do now
[07:17] <eddieftw> im not sure, i havent shut down
[07:17] <eddieftw> should i?
[07:19] <Daskreech> yup
[07:20] <eddieftw> wil try later
[07:20] <eddieftw> brb
[07:24] <nixternal> kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-*, and kdebase 4.1 beta 1 packages seem to be pretty darn complete and in good working order at this time
[07:24] <nixternal> tomorrow I will start working on the rest of KDE/*
[07:25] <Daskreech> cd ~nixternal/pub
[07:25] <Daskreech> more beer
[07:27] <nixternal> cd ~/nixternal/bed && sleep
[07:27] <bdgraue__> nixternal: thx for your work
[07:27] <nixternal> no prob, thanks for you patience :)
[07:28] <nixternal> bdgraue__: the work is yet to be completed though, but at least you can play with wobbly windows :)
[07:28] <Daskreech> And Scchnnow
[07:28] <Daskreech> Who did that?
[07:28] <eddieftw> yea kdm 4.1 starts up and runs perfectly for me
[07:28] <Daskreech>  I know seli wouldn't touch that with a frozen tongue
[07:28] <nixternal> Riddell: check your kdm.init for kdebase-workspace and line 128 to see if you have a missing 'fi'...I grabbed from your package and it was missing, but that grab was from a few days ago in Intrepid
[07:29] <nixternal> eddieftw: did you hear?  I wouldn't say that round here :-)
[07:46]  * Daskreech reboots into 4.1
[07:46] <eddieftw> Daskreech: lupe
[07:46] <Daskreech> see you in 20 minutes :-P
[07:46] <Daskreech> eddieftw: Neat. Sounds like someone I'd like to pick thoughts with
[08:00] <jussi01> !test
[11:10] <Riddell> freeflying: at Mandriva?
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[11:27] <Riddell> freeflying: what's happening there?
[11:28] <freeflying> Riddell: they had a 10 yrs anniversiry last week
[11:58] <Nightrose> re - back from linuxtag and sleep for a few hours
[11:58]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[11:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: good event?
[11:58] <apachelogger> uhh, I didn't do it!
[11:58] <Nightrose> Riddell: definitely awesome
[11:58] <apachelogger> ah
[11:58] <Nightrose> will blog later
[11:58]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[11:59] <Nightrose> karaoke was great and a lot of fun
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: you have to join us next year
[11:59] <Nightrose> yea definitely
[12:00] <Nightrose> only bad thing was that the car we rented to get back to karlsruhe had some technical problems
[12:00] <Nightrose> so we had to switch cars on the way
[12:00] <Nightrose> which took quite some time
[12:01] <Nightrose> arrived around 4 am while we were supposed to be back around 11pm...
[12:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: oO at sleeping at the airport ;-)
[12:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: was \sh driving to KA?
[12:06] <Nightrose> nope sput
[12:06] <Nightrose> sh was his co-pilot :P
[12:06] <apachelogger> well, I basically did the very same as \sh :P
[12:06] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:07] <apachelogger> uhhh
[12:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have to build kdenet while I am neoning?
[12:07] <Nightrose> huh?
[12:08]  * Nightrose is not building anything
[12:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:08] <apachelogger> Building i386 build of kdenetwork-kde4 4:4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy2~ppa6 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE [lydia-pintscher]
[12:08] <Nightrose> oO
[12:08] <apachelogger> so you broke something and LP is looping
[12:08] <apachelogger> which would explain the slowness of the last few days as well :P
[12:08] <Nightrose> meh
[12:59] <steve555> Hi everyone.
[13:00] <steve555> how is Intrepid Ibex Alpha1 shaping up?
[13:01] <sebas> depends ;-)
[13:02] <steve555> Ah I see,do you think it will be released in time for june 12th?
[13:06] <steve555> Are you having a bug-day at the same time as Ubuntu's?
[13:07] <Nightrose> steve555: we are trying to do that most of the time
[13:09] <Hobbsee> steve555: it will be the week of june 12th
[13:09] <Hobbsee> so it may be the 13th
[13:12] <steve555> Ah I see,thank you very much for the information.I am very new to I.R.C,I usually use the Kubuntu Forums if I had a problem,so I thought I might try this sort of communication out.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> steve555: best place for support to help or to get is #kubuntu if non support #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:22]  * apachelogger hands Nightrose, Hobbsee, steve555 and gnomefreak a cookie
[13:23]  * Nightrose munches the cookie
[13:23] <gnomefreak> thanks ill eat mine for lunch :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> hm, as a matter of fact... I should get something to eat
[13:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seen the videos yet? *g*
[13:24] <apachelogger> no
[13:24] <apachelogger> which ones?
[13:24] <Nightrose> oO
[13:24] <Nightrose> karaoke
[13:24] <apachelogger> nope
[13:24]  * apachelogger is videoless
[13:25] <steve555> thanks for the cookie apachelogger :)
[13:32] <steve555> Thanks gnomefreak  for the info,I have already joined the #kubuntu cahnnel now.
[13:53]  * seele yawns
[13:53] <seele> 'morning everyone
[13:53] <jjesse> morning seele
[14:08] <sebas> hi seele :>
[14:18] <Riddell> hmm, do we package 4.0.5?
[14:21] <Nightrose> if 4.0.80 is ready soonish I'd say no
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> If not, the fixes for the Qt 4.4-introduced bugs that made it into 4.0.5 should at least be cherrypicked/applied to our 4.0.4
[14:22] <Nightrose> true
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and this one: http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=805916&view=rev
[14:28] <Riddell> well volunteers welcome
[14:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why would we not package 4.0.5 if 4.0.80 is out?
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: cause 4.0.80 is what people who use 4.0.4 right now proabably want anyway
[14:35] <sebas> Depends on what changed, I'd say.
[14:35] <apachelogger> O
[14:35] <apachelogger> o
[14:35] <apachelogger> I am using 4.0.4
[14:36] <sebas> And of course people want the latest+greated, even if the version number is the only thing that changed
[14:36] <apachelogger> and I see no, but really no reason why I should switch my desktop to .80
[14:36] <sebas> 4.0.80 is not good for general consumption
[14:36] <sebas> It has lots of severe bugs.
[14:36] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[14:36] <Nightrose> ok
[14:36] <sebas> Like, my session wouldn't survive more than 30 minutes usage
[14:36] <Riddell> ooh, sebas is alive
[14:37] <sebas> Kind of, after LinuxTag :)
[14:37] <sebas> Trying to recover
[14:37] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:37] <apachelogger> sebas: everyone does ;-)
[14:37] <Riddell> sebas: I put my guidance-power-manager KDE 4 port into extragear, ok if I remove the old one that's there?
[14:37] <Nightrose> right ;-)
[14:37] <sebas> Riddell: Yes, please.
[14:37] <sebas> The old one is kde3
[14:37] <sebas> Ow, wait ... the old one is a crude port that doesn't work
[14:37] <sebas> I meant to review it, but didn't get around to it
[14:38] <Riddell> it's kde 4
[14:38] <Riddell> extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager
[14:38] <sebas> Yeah, I read the related emails, just not the code itself
[14:38] <sebas> Is it using solid?
[14:38] <Riddell> no
[14:38] <sebas> Ported to signals instead of polling?
[14:38] <Riddell> not yet
[14:39] <sebas> Ok, maybe I can help a bit with those things
[14:39] <Riddell> playground/utils/kde4powersave/ is looking promising in that respect
[14:39] <sebas> Ah, didn't see it popping up
[14:39]  * sebas is relieved that there's finally code
[14:40] <Riddell> sebas: so I can remove extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager ?
[14:43] <sebas> Yes, assuming that's not your version :)
[14:43] <sebas> Last commit on it is months ago
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> So how to I "apt-get source" from backports?
[14:45] <anirudh0> hi..i've just finished compiling kde4 svn, and i;d like to help with packages..my arch is x86..how can i do that
[14:46] <Riddell> sebas: done
[14:46] <sebas> Riddell: thanks
[14:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: same as anything else, make sure there's a deb-src line in sources.list
[14:46] <Riddell> anirudh0: great!
[14:47] <Riddell> anirudh0: have you made packages before?
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I mean, how do I specify which server I get it from? a regular "apt-get source kdm-kde4" got me the 4.0.3 version of the source
[14:48] <anirudh0> Riddell, nope..but would like to :)..running ubuntu 8.04..all packages were compiled against qt-copy, following the method on techbase.kde.org
[14:48] <anirudh0> up to date as of yesterday..except kaudiocreator..which could'nt compile
[14:54] <anirudh0> ok..just saw the packaging section on the kubuntu site...will go through all the stuff on creating debs..and be back in a day or two..thanks
[14:56] <Riddell> amachu: there's a long guide at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Complete
[14:56] <Riddell> oh, he left
[14:56] <Riddell> sorry amachu
[15:09] <jjesse_> morning everyoen :)
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> hia
[15:25] <apachelogger> meh
[15:26] <apachelogger> launchpad is hindering neon+kde progress
[15:26] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: You picked Launchpad to host it ....
[15:27] <apachelogger> yeah, I should have used opensuse build service :S
[15:27]  * apachelogger stops work on neon+kde and switches to branch neon+obs
[15:29] <nixternal> jeesh
[15:29] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:30] <jjesse_> jeesh
[15:33] <Jucato> jjeesh?
[15:38] <jjesse_> :)
[15:38] <jjesse_> nixternal: you fix my kubuntu vm yet?
[15:40] <DreadKnight> how can i built-dep for a package using aptitude?
[15:40]  * Jucato thinks aptitude doesn't have that feature
[15:41] <DreadKnight> aham
[15:41] <DreadKnight> any way i could remove the build-dep for a specific package then?
[15:51] <jjesse_> hrmm noticed there are more updates for 4.1
[15:51] <jjesse_> wonder if that will fix things?
[15:52] <DreadKnight> jjesse_: go ahead xD
[15:54] <DreadKnight> do the package for 4.1b install without problems now?
[15:54] <DreadKnight> i messed up my distro last night and had to reinstall... im on kde3 atm
[15:55] <DreadKnight> too bad the 4.1b don't include the new theme xD
[15:55] <DreadKnight> guess is not hard to find it with ghns anyway
[16:04] <nixternal> jjesse: any luck yet? what was the issue again? did you mv or rm ~/.kde4
[16:04] <jjesse_> nixternal: i wasn't getting kdm to start
[16:04] <jjesse_> however i just did a dist-upgrade annd now it works
[16:05] <jjesse_> wlecome to debian at HOSTNAME
[16:05] <Artemis_Fowl> nixternal: heya. how are the KDE 4.1 packages doing?
[16:05] <nixternal> ya, I fixed kdm last night, there was a missing fi in the .init file
[16:05] <jjesse_> somoene forgot to change something :)
[16:05] <nixternal> Artemis_Fowl: just now starting on the kde modules
[16:05] <nixternal> I was^Wam supposed to go golfing sometime this morning^Wafternoon
[16:05] <Artemis_Fowl> nixternal: how long will it approximately take you?
[16:06] <nixternal> another day as long as it is smoother than the foundation packages
[16:06] <Artemis_Fowl> cool
[16:06] <jjesse_> nixternal: don't know if my emails to kubuntu-users ever went through, was having problems w/ smartphone, but i did agree w all you said
[16:07] <nixternal> I gave up, those people know better than I obviously...let them rant and have issues in a place where they will not get heard by devs
[16:08] <nixternal> it is getting bad again, so many ungreatful FREE software users...this was the same reason I took a 2 year break from Linux back around 2000
[16:09] <nixternal> so, if I don't just ignore it, I will end up throwing a hissy fit and walking away :)
[16:09] <nixternal> I totally enjoy people who complain, but do nothing to help anything improve
[16:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ignore userland.  it helps.
[16:13] <jjesse_> intersting the application launcher has disappeared
[16:17]  * Nightrose hugs nixternal
[16:20] <DreadKnight> complains have their good part imo
[16:20] <DreadKnight> it's like feedback :-)
[16:25] <jjesse_> yay welcome to kde 4.devel
[16:27] <nixternal> woohoo :)
[16:27] <nixternal> build kdeadmin already..that was quick
[16:27] <jjesse_> needed to delete my .kde4 directory to get my desktop back and correct
[16:27] <nixternal> I still think there needs to be some tweaks to the core packages
[16:27] <jjesse_> didn't have the application launcher and other issues, but things are working
[16:27] <nixternal> jjesse_: ya, I had to do that as well
[16:27] <nixternal> some people didn't though
[16:28] <DreadKnight> i had some issues last night
[16:28] <DreadKnight> like when trying to save something or upload something in firefox
[16:28] <DreadKnight> the file chooser window was crashing FF
[16:29] <DreadKnight> and i couldn't run apps under wine
[16:29] <jjesse> the window borders are different?
[16:29] <nixternal> blue?
[16:29] <jjesse> yeah
[16:29] <DreadKnight> i had them blue as well
[16:29] <jjesse> they look a little windows 3.1 as well
[16:29] <nixternal> and I think that is changing again, which totally ruins the current set of complete docs with screenshots
[16:30] <jjesse> nixternal: did you get that kget handbook changes that i made
[16:30] <jjesse> i think i sent you a .dockbook file
[16:30] <DreadKnight> anyway, there is a new kde4 default theme now... xD (not in this packages ...)
[16:30] <nixternal> ya, I will upload them in a bit
[16:30] <nixternal> ya, that new theme is gorgeous if you ask me, at least what I saw in the screenshots
[16:30] <nixternal> my pbuilder crashed yet again
[16:31] <DreadKnight> looks awsome, except the clock xD
[16:31] <DreadKnight> the analog one i mean
[16:31] <nixternal> I don't use the clocks anyways...all of those analog clocks were created as a joke in the first place, an ongoing joke at that
[16:31] <DreadKnight> :-)
[16:31] <nixternal> ya, the analog ones
[16:31] <jjesse> the "default" theme?
[16:32] <nixternal> I like Wade's current blog post with the last image having all of the neon clocks..that was funny right there :)
[16:32] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, they are changing the theme again...check planetkde.org to see pics of it
[16:32] <DreadKnight> the clock on vista had a nice effect when tongues where moving.. a slight back and forward bounce... wonder if the plasma clocks have that as well
[16:33] <DreadKnight> that effect is a very nice realistic touch :-)
[16:33] <nixternal> you can add it easily though
[16:33] <DreadKnight> (provided tongues move/snap from time to time, not continuous movement)
[16:33] <DreadKnight> i'm not a coder
[16:34] <DreadKnight> you're talking about an already config option? :P
[16:34] <nixternal> nah, probably 1 or 2 lines of code to add that feature though
[16:35] <DreadKnight> :-)
[17:05] <nixternal> there is something in kde4.1 that causes my one desktop to constantly lock up
[17:06] <nixternal> I always thought it was just svn, but now I know it isn't, as the packages also lock up the machine
[17:06] <Riddell> working ok here
[17:06] <nixternal> ya, I have a hardware issue I believe
[17:06] <nixternal> it works on my lappy just fine
[17:07] <nixternal> another reason I believe it is hardware (possibly cpu) is because gcc will segfault when compiling every now and then as well
[17:09] <nixternal> Riddell: you were not joking when you said doing these packages would be a lot of work
[17:11] <Riddell> mm hmm
[17:11] <Riddell> how far have you got?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: awesome work on these packages... they are FAST!
[17:14] <nixternal> Riddell: finished libs, pimlibs, and base*
[17:14] <nixternal> working on kdeadmin now
[17:14] <nixternal> the other modules shouldn't be to difficult
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: guess i'm jumping the gun a bit... but  i
[17:14] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: ya, I noticed a whicked speed improvement
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> m loving kde4
[17:14] <nixternal> ditto :)
[17:15] <nixternal> I love its Vista look :P
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> especially in dolphin and anything involving icons/ scrolling
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> heh
[17:16] <Riddell> nixternal: are those uploaded?
[17:16] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, people are already testing out those packages
[17:16] <Riddell> nixternal: ready for an announcement?
[17:16] <nixternal> not yet
[17:17] <nixternal> possibly tomorrow
[17:17] <nixternal> I have a group of people testing them right now
[17:17] <nixternal> thus far, I think I worked out a majority of the issues with installing (especially kdebase-workspace)
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: BTW.... I had an error on installing workspace-bin... a ksm manual page it looked like
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> I just forced an overwrite
[17:19] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: ya, that was fixed
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> ok, great, that was the only problem I had.
[17:22] <nixternal> Riddell: do all of the kde 4.1 beta1 packages need automoc?
[17:22] <nixternal> nevermind, that wasn't the question I wanted to ask, that was all wrong
[17:23] <nixternal> and now I can't remember the question I was going to ask
[17:30] <DreadKnight> how the heck to make a show desktop icon in kde4 or what's the hotkey for that?
[17:42] <DreadKnight> omg
[17:42] <DreadKnight> here i am again installing kde4 xD
[17:57] <jjesse> mmm i like lunch
[17:59] <harolddong> I can set my resolution as high as 1024x768
[18:00] <harolddong> is that intended?
[18:00] <Riddell> we're not X developers
[18:02] <harolddong> so if I can only set my res to 1024x768 in the kubuntu kde 4.80 builds its an X issue?
[18:02] <harolddong> cause in kde 3 I can set it as high as I want
[18:06] <Riddell> kde shouldn't touch your resolution
[18:07] <ScottK> Riddell: It could potentiall be a tool issue though.
[18:07] <ScottK> harolddong: How are you trying to change the resolution?
[18:08] <harolddong> system settings/display
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: What tool is that in KDE4?  Is it still Guidance?
[18:11] <harolddong> I mean it seems like the setting is there to change the resolution its just that the highest available setting is 1024x768
[18:11] <harolddong> should I be doing it another way?
[18:12] <harolddong> I just didnt know if it was supposed to be like that or not
[18:15] <nixternal> jjesse: gotta a KDE 4.1 doc task if you are interested :)
[18:15] <ScottK> harolddong: Just to be clear, it works with KDE3 and not with KDE4.  Is that right?
[18:16] <jjesse> nixternal: sure can you send it via email, not really paying attention
[18:16] <harolddong> yes scott
[18:16] <nixternal> jjesse: just messin' with ya, it is a biggon actually
[18:17] <nixternal> convert plasma docs -> docbook within the next couple of hours
[18:17] <nixternal> ie. plain text to docbook
[18:17] <jjesse> within the next couple of hours?
[18:17] <harolddong> I havent tried changing it to a lower res in kde4 though, I just left it at 1024x768
[18:18] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, cuz the freeze is just a few hours away
[18:18] <jjesse> wow i don't know if i can do it in a couple o hours
[18:19] <harolddong> also is there way to change the thickness of the panel? am I just missing it?  the arrows seem to change the length just fine but I dont see a way to change the thickness
[18:25] <jjesse> nixternal: where is this plasma guide you speak of located?
[18:25] <jjesse> how much work is it?
[18:25] <daskreech> sebas?
[18:25] <daskreech> I'm writing one too
[18:25] <daskreech> wikibooks
[18:25]  * daskreech shuts up and lets nixternal speak
[18:26] <jjesse> Daskreech: you are writing one for the kde docs?
[18:26] <nixternal> jjesse: waiting for it to get emailed to me
[18:26] <daskreech> No :) External
[18:26] <daskreech> nixternal: send me a copy :)
[18:26] <jjesse> nixternal: i might be able to work on it today
[18:26] <nixternal> when it is uploaded to svn, you can get it then :)
[18:26] <daskreech> :-p
[18:26] <daskreech> Should be looking into the systemsettings password as well while i'm there
[18:27] <daskreech> no idea why that doesn't work but can't be too hard a fix
[18:37] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[18:57] <Nightrose> nixternal: you can resize the panel by dragging the top of it to the size you want
[19:03] <daskreech> what did I miss on the plasma docs?
[19:03] <jjesse> did nixternal upload them to svn ?
[19:03] <jjesse> that's the last i heard
[19:03] <daskreech> >_<
[19:03] <daskreech> kmail is making a full dupliacte of my inbox
[19:03] <daskreech> that's over 3000 messages
[19:04] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[19:04] <nixternal> woohoooo!!!!!!
[19:04] <nixternal> and the job offer just came in :)
[19:04] <jjesse> yay for a job
[19:05] <jjesse> hopefully that means you will get paid :)
[19:05] <nixternal> oh ya baby :)
[19:05] <jjesse> now you can buy me dinner next time im in town
[19:05] <eddieftw> meaning nixternal and i can have lunch jjesse
[19:05] <eddieftw> and he's buying!
[19:05] <nixternal> yup, start Monday
[19:05] <jjesse> i heard hes' buying for the whole channel
[19:05] <nixternal> nevah!
[19:06] <eddieftw> jjesse: he's giving out free money too
[19:06] <jjesse> wahoo
[19:06] <jjesse> the better question is did he uplaod that doc to svn?
[19:07] <nixternal> haven't gotten via email yet...still waiting for it
[19:08] <nixternal> once I get the doc, I will do the conversions and then rock and roll on it
[19:17] <eddieftw> off to work. nixternal ping me if you want to break my computer again later with testing ;p
[19:24] <daskreech> !nixternal
[19:28] <daskreech> Note All free money also comes with Kicks up the Butt on k-users mailing list
[19:32] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it there yet?
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... its here :)
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> in beatiful multi-panel splendor..
[19:48] <jjesse> nixternal: upon install of kde 4.1 stuff it removed kget-kde4 and knewsticker-kde4 which i was trying to document due to libplasma1 not being installed
[19:52] <seele> Riddell: who was fixing the kde4 system settings ui?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: yeah... installing 4.1 will remove all 4.0.x packages
[19:56] <smarter> It's just me or the apt protocol doesn't work at all with konqueror
[19:56] <smarter> ?
[19:56] <Arby_> mhb: around?
[19:57] <daskreech> seele: fixing?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> "Jon wants to open the letter that Krissy has written. He finds it in her shared folder and opens it."
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> pretty obvious who write that one ^^
[19:59] <seele> daskreech: there is a bunch of visual stuff that changed between the 3.5.9 version and current 4 version that made it worse, and we are merging the two tabs together
[19:59] <daskreech> hmm ok
[20:11] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: who wrote taht one? JR?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah :)
[20:23] <Serega> hi folks
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> hey Serega
[20:26] <Serega> nosrednaekim: hey. I miss you all. There is too silent after release :)
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:32] <yuriy> hi Serega, you did kaffeine codec install right?
[20:33] <Serega> hi yuriy, yes it was me
[20:34] <yuriy> Serega: have you seen bug 209534?
[20:34] <Serega> yuriy: nope. thanks for pointing!
[20:34] <yuriy> and a few others
[20:34] <yuriy> Serega: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kaffeine+codec&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[20:35] <yuriy> sorry for long link
[20:35] <Serega> np
[20:36] <Serega> 209534 looks like a missed package dependency
[20:37] <yuriy> ah, yes, looks like stdin already figured it out, see bug 234998
[20:37] <daskreech> Question
[20:37] <daskreech> for kde4 can we have phonon do the codec install?
[20:38] <Serega> yuriy: 222265 & pals is due to Riddell was forced to remove libdvdcss autoinstallation
[20:39] <Serega> daskreech: hi, question to me?
[20:39] <daskreech> Serega: I guess
[20:39] <Serega> shhot
[20:39] <Serega> shoot
[20:39] <daskreech> just seems to make sense to me to have the code once in the underlying code
[20:39] <yuriy> Serega: if that's the case, could you comment on the report and close if appropriate since you know what's going on there?
[20:40] <daskreech> So any player used by the end user asks for codecs and it gets installed
[20:40] <daskreech> No idea if that's reasonable or possible though
[20:41] <Serega> yuriy: ok. How it is going usually? Do developers periodically search launchpad for bugs in their code?
[20:41] <yuriy> Serega: though it does sound like there's a bug there if it is trying to install it and failing
[20:41] <yuriy> Serega: well, that's the idea :P
[20:41] <yuriy> or, better, subscribe to bugs for your software
[20:42] <Serega> daskreech: do you mean to change libxine, mplayer and vlc? it is not a bad idea, but I believe it must be done at the debian level
[20:43] <Serega> yuriy: thanks :)
[20:49] <yuriy> Serega: i could assign kaffeine codec installation bugs to you if/when I run across them if you want
[20:52] <Serega> yuriy: I would be very good thanks. I also will find a way to subscribe to there bugs.
[20:53] <yuriy> Serega: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+subscribe will get you all kaffeine bugs. it's not too noisy compared to some other stuff but there will certainly be some stuff you don't want to hear about
[20:56] <Serega> cool
[20:57]  * Serega is subscribed now
[21:26] <freeflying> ls
[21:27] <daskreech> ls -a
[21:28] <daskreech> some of us are more shy than others
[21:28] <eddieftw> ?
[21:36] <santiago-ve> ls -lahR :D and some aren't
[21:38] <daskreech> santiago-ve: Woah woah don't go searching all up in the chan!
[21:40] <a|wen> ScottK: around?
[21:40] <ScottK> vaguely
[21:41] <daskreech> cause when he sits around the house he vaguely sits around the house
[21:41] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... I've added some more to the kde-guidance patch i'm working on; do you think you have time to look at it some time?
[21:43] <ScottK> Yes, but probably not today.
[21:44] <a|wen> okay ... if you've time sometime within the next few days, that's no problem too; would very much like to have time for an SRU so it can be in 8.04.1
[21:45] <a|wen> ScottK: it's here http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[21:47] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm planning on attending the meeting on wednesday, so in any case you'll be able to catch me around that time if you have some comments ... (or you're welcome to shoot me a mail)
[21:49] <ScottK> Will do.
[21:50] <a|wen> ScottK: thanks a lot


[08:18] <jussi> apachelogger: ping
[10:35] <apachelogger> jussi: pongo
[10:35] <jussi> apachelogger: pm
[12:41] <Riddell> rbelem: ping
[12:41] <Riddell> or anyone who has spoked to rbelem about pandaboards: ping
[12:43] <sheytan> Riddell got ya :D
[12:44] <sheytan> hey dude. Remember my ubuquity slideshow mockup?
[12:44] <Riddell> sheytan: I do
[12:44] <sheytan> Riddell want to implement it?
[12:44] <sheytan> or atleast add as "todo" ? :)
[12:47] <Riddell> sheytan: I'm afraid I'm not working on Kubuntu this cycle
[12:47] <Riddell> we have an installer section on the todo and it can be added there https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo#Installer
[12:47] <sheytan> Riddell oh, why?
[12:48] <Riddell> sheytan: just felt the need for a change for a while, variety being the spice of life
[12:48] <Riddell> don't worry, I'll be back in a few months :)
[12:48] <Riddell> but edit the todo here if you want https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric
[12:50] <sheytan> Riddell i can't edit it without login. Could you do that for me? here's the mockup: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[12:50] <sheytan> I'm only looking for a developer ;)
[12:51] <Riddell> you don't have a launchpad login?
[12:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know why the installer notes never turned into todo items?
[12:54] <Riddell> sheytan: I've added it to the installer session notes, I'm not sure why none of the other items are on the todo http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer/
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: because neither maco nor afiestas created them
[12:54] <apachelogger> despite poking
[12:54]  * apachelogger needs a poke bot perhaps
[12:56] <sheytan> Riddell Thank you :) Hope someone will code it :)
[12:56] <sheytan> Some gnomes told me that apachelogger might do that ^^ :D
[12:56] <apachelogger> lolwut?
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is with the pandas?
[12:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: well I'm not sure, I believe rbelem has been poking canonical folk to get some and canonical folk are asking me who wants them
[12:57] <sheytan> apachelogger you're the master of code :D And implementing my idea into the installer would be both, awesome and easy (i guess) :D
[12:58] <Riddell> few things in coding are easy I'm afraid
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: rbelem and me I suppose ... though shadeslayer also expressed interest in working on omap4 ... no idea if he'd see such a project through to actual working stuff
[12:59] <jussi> Riddell: ooh cool. We just made a couple of freescale boards happen for apachelogger and Quintasan.
[12:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: what idea?
[12:59] <sheytan> apachelogger http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[12:59] <Riddell> jussi: we did? who's we?
[12:59] <apachelogger> the crew :P
[12:59] <jussi> Riddell: persia, with my assistance
[12:59] <jussi> persia: paid, I organised.
[13:00]  * apachelogger thinks sheytan should know that apachelogger is not the person to talk to about python code
[13:00] <jussi> apachelogger: rofl
[13:00] <sheytan> apachelogger is kubu installer written in python?
[13:00] <sheytan> damn
[13:00] <Riddell> PyKDE
[13:00] <sheytan> that sucks
[13:00] <Riddell> Python rocks!
[13:01] <sheytan> who's developing the installer anyway?
[13:01] <apachelogger> maco suggested interest IIRC
[13:04] <Riddell> sheytan: well nobody currently, that's the problem
[13:05] <sheytan> crap ;/
[13:05] <Riddell> I think maco is mostly interested in ensuring accessibility is supported in it (it has a few custom widgets)
[13:05] <Riddell> maybe she'll do that and get hooked on to the fun of coding PyKDE!
[13:05] <Riddell> sheytan: added todo items to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[13:05] <sheytan> maco please ping me if you can
[13:05] <sheytan> Riddell thank you :)
[13:05] <sheytan> i'll talk to maco :)
[13:06] <sheytan> Riddell the help.kubuntu.org isn't needed. We have Support section on the new web page.
[13:06] <Riddell> sheytan: talk to DarkwingDuck about that
[13:06] <sheytan> Ofir doesn't have time now, so i'll finish it with DarkwingDuck :)
[13:07] <sheytan> Yes :D
[13:08]  * sheytan hopes the new printer kcm and notifications come with 11.10
[13:11] <maco> sheytan: hello
[13:11] <maco> Riddell: ive used pykde before :P
[13:11] <Riddell> right, so you know how much fun it is! :)
[13:12] <sheytan> maco heeeey :) I have a perfect job for you which will make you proud of helping Kubuntu :)
[13:14] <jussi> How does one see the updates history?
[13:19] <maco> jussi: /var/log/apt/term.log
[13:19] <jussi> maco: thanks
[13:21] <jussi> has anyone else had skype suddenly stop working for them in the last few days?
[13:22] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ skype
[13:22] <jussi> Aborted
[13:22] <maco> jussi: nah, skype stopped working for me a year ago....suddenly even preloading v4lcompat doesnt let it talk to v4l2 webcams
[13:24] <jussi> could either of these have anything to do with skype not working?
[13:24] <jussi> Setting up glib-networking (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1) ...
[13:24] <jussi> Setting up libapr1 (1.4.2-7ubuntu2.1) ...
[13:25] <debfx> ScottK: turns out that I do have a gpg signature from a DD
[13:25] <ScottK> debfx: Excellent.
[13:25] <Sput> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-globally-investigation-underway/
[13:25] <Sput> OHAI Microsoft
[13:25] <Sput> , jussi
[13:25] <Sput> :)
[13:26] <jussi> Sput: thanks...
[13:26] <jussi> MS ....
[13:27] <jussi> Sput: btw, GET BACK TO YOUR THESIS! :D
[13:29] <jussi> heh
[13:29] <jussi> renaming .Skype fixes said issue.
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks for the feedback
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I has no a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join
[13:53] <apachelogger> s/no/now/
[13:53] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "Nightrose: btw, I has now a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join"
[13:53] <apachelogger> kubotu: smart bot
[13:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[13:54] <Nightrose> not awesome
[13:54] <Nightrose> not at all
[14:26] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: BOO!
[14:27] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuU3D_t_Ds
[14:29] <txwikinger> ScottK: the new ntrack did not fix the problem
[14:36] <apachelogger> txwikinger: what be the problem?
[14:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: kded4 is spawning always losts of defuncts
[14:37] <txwikinger> lots
[14:37] <txwikinger> It has either to do with going in and out of sleep mode, and/or chaning wireless networs
[14:43] <apachelogger> txwikinger: spawn defuncts?
[14:44] <txwikinger> well.. it guess its spawns child processes that are not closed properly and hence end up to be shown as "defunc"
[14:44] <txwikinger> I guess
[14:44] <apachelogger> :O
[14:45] <apachelogger> txwikinger: kdebugdialog -> select all, then: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep2 ; kded4 &> log
[14:45] <apachelogger> try to trigger the issue and send me the log
[14:45] <txwikinger> apachelogger: ok I will do
[14:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger: bug 515138 perhaps?
[14:47] <txwikinger> Not sure.. I reported it in maverick on kde bugs
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should like fix this ^ :P
[14:47] <txwikinger> natty is actually worse than maverick
[14:49] <ryrych> hi
[14:50] <ryrych> apachelogger: I figured out what was wrong: I don’t have the write access to phonon web site repository as ssh kde info points out; do you know if I can catch here any admin? :)
[14:50] <apachelogger> ryrych: #kde-sysadmin
[14:50] <ryrych> apachelogger: thx
[14:53] <txwikinger> apachelogger: The child processes do not seem to appear in the log
[14:55] <apachelogger> txwikinger: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep 2; streace -ff -F -o kded.strace kded4
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell i'm definitely interested in OMAP4 ... i'm thinking on focusing on ARM for the next year
[15:46] <ryrych> apachelogger: so sneap-peak for you :D http://ryrych.pl/null/phonon/
[15:46] <ryrych> stopwatch and dots as navigation
[15:46] <apachelogger> the progress bar at the top is a bit weird IMHO
[15:47] <apachelogger> very distracting
[15:47] <apachelogger> I like the dots though :D
[15:49] <ryrych> hm, I like it but think out it :D
[15:51] <rbelem> hi Riddell
[15:51] <rbelem> :-)
[15:52] <rbelem> sorry for the late ping back
[15:52] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[15:52] <Riddell> have you been talking to kiko?
[15:52] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[15:52] <Riddell> groovy, who did you have in mind for pandaboards?
[15:53] <rbelem> Riddell, three for plasma-active guys and two for kubuntu
[15:53] <rbelem> :-)
[15:53] <rbelem> i just saw your email :-)
[15:53] <Riddell> rbelem: do you have specific people in mind?
[15:54] <rbelem> Riddell, aseigo knows who will get the boards
[15:55] <Riddell> rbelem: ok, and for Kubuntu?
[15:55] <rbelem> Riddell, apachelogger and me
[15:56] <Riddell> ok I need postal addresses for you and apachelogger then
[15:56] <Riddell> rbelem, apachelogger: can you e-mail me your postal address
[15:57] <rbelem> oki :-)
[15:57] <apachelogger> sent
[15:57] <rbelem> Riddell, i will ask aseigo to send the adresses to you :-)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol ... i got my package :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> googlez didn't forget me
[15:58] <shadeslayer>  :D
[15:59] <apachelogger> I did not :(
[15:59] <apachelogger> carol, y u forget me!
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so apparently mails travel faster to india ... :>
[16:01] <apachelogger> well, from a logistics POV I'd say they do not send all the stuff at once :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:03] <shadeslayer> probably
[16:07] <maco> Riddell: the KC is sposed to approve the specs right? TheMuso says feature definition is soon, but KC election is going on so how do we get them approved?
[16:08] <rbelem> Riddell, mail sent :-)
[16:10] <Riddell> maco: with the existing KC
[16:10] <maco> Riddell: is there gonna be a meeting or something?
[16:11] <Riddell> maco: one should be organised
[16:12] <Riddell> Sput: I've been using Quassel for the last couple of weeks, working well
[16:13] <Riddell> Sput: a couple of issues, I find it strange that when someone /msg's me it appears in the left tree in the same colour as if there's background chat in a channel, I think it should be the same as if someone highlights me on a channel
[16:13] <Riddell> also I'm not clear when walk away from a network then walk back into range again if or when quassel will reconnect
[16:13] <maco> i dont think it will
[16:14] <maco> it takes a few minutes to timeout and realise no really theres no network activity
[16:14] <maco> oh wait that depends on setting
[16:14] <maco> you can set a hardcoded timeout
[16:14] <maco> i had to go to "never time out actively" though because it was timing out on downloading backlog from the quassel core (which takes about 5 minutes)
[16:16] <yofel> well, the solid integration worked somewhat well for me, so it connected whenever KNM said it got a connection
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ^^ yep
[16:21] <ScottK> txwikinger: OK.  Sorry.  Different issue.
[16:22] <Sput> Riddell: can't really discuss very well now since I'm on a train, but the connection between client and core can be set to obey KDE's network status
[16:22] <txwikinger> ScottK:  :)
[16:22] <Sput> the connection between core and IRC is timeout-based though (unless the socket closes, but that is not always the case with a shaky connection)
[16:23] <Sput> if you have the core somewhere safe, and you want the client to reconnect, it's best to enable the use of KDE's Solid, which in turn is tied to NetworkManager
[16:23] <Riddell> Sput: I have the monolithic setup
[16:25] <Sput> mhm
[16:25] <Sput> then there's configurable timeouts
[16:26] <KRF> could someone comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192 - especially why the SVG file's content is changed in kubuntu's amarok package?
[16:26] <Sput> I was thinking about adding solid integration for that part as well, but that's surprisingly non-trivial as the core has no KDE integration (and not even GUI support), architecturally :)
[16:26] <Sput> one could probably do a hack specifically for monolithic
[16:27] <apachelogger> KRF: because the upstream artwork sux
[16:27] <Riddell> Sput:  it could talk raw dbus I guess but yeah not easy
[16:27] <KRF> apachelogger: now it sucks even more, though. see attached screenshot
[16:27] <apachelogger> nono, it is better :P
[16:27]  * apachelogger actually wonders where there change is coming from for real
[16:28] <Sput> Riddell: dbus is not an acceptable dep on a server :)
[16:28] <Riddell> fussy server people :)
[16:28] <KRF> apachelogger: looks like someone opened the svg with another editor before packaging? also the SVG's XML layout changed
[16:29] <Sput> technically, the monolithic version is really just the core and the client lumped in one binary connected by an internal socket... but I assume we could add some special accessor
[16:29] <Sput> (that is, if someone has the time to do it; I'll still be very busy with $thesis for the next several months)
[16:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: order a minion for Sput
[16:30]  * kubotu slides a minion down the bar to Sput
[16:30] <KRF> apachelogger: ah, someone used adobeillustrator and destroyed the color schemes :P
[16:30] <shadeslayer> @_@
[16:30] <apachelogger> KRF: unlikely, then dpkg would have created a patch for it
[16:31] <apachelogger> there is no way to sneak changes into modern packages without triggering a patch creation
[16:31] <apachelogger> unless someone tempered with the tar
[16:31] <apachelogger> KRF: do you have a 2.4.1 tar lying around?
[16:31] <KRF> apachelogger: nope
[16:31] <Sput> Riddell: I do have to wonder though, doesn't NetworkManager close active TCP connections when it determines it's offline?
[16:31] <Sput> a closing socket should trigger an immediate reconnect anyway
[16:31] <Riddell> no I don't think so
[16:32] <Sput> hm, at least other apps seem to notice NM going offline
[16:32] <KRF> apachelogger: second, just trying to find out what happened there
[16:32] <apachelogger> KRF: no one touched the tar either
[16:32] <apachelogger> same md5 as the one lydia mentioned in the tagging announcement
[16:32] <Sput> and I think I've tested it with quassel too... the other issue I get a lot with mobile though is that NM does *not* notice the net going away :)
[16:32] <Sput> in which apps can't do anything
[16:32] <Sput> +case
[16:33] <apachelogger> KRF: what is the SVG called?
[16:34] <apachelogger> ah
[16:34] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:34]  * apachelogger is blind
[16:35] <apachelogger> woosh
[16:35] <apachelogger> KRF: must have been something at build or install time
[16:36] <apachelogger> cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images
[16:36] <apachelogger> eh
[16:37] <apachelogger> WTH
[16:37] <KRF> apachelogger: i'm a bit confuzzled right now, /usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/images/default-theme-clean.svg totally does not look like the file for the 2.4.0 tag in repo
[16:37] <apachelogger> weeeh
[16:37] <apachelogger> scour 0.25
[16:37] <apachelogger> KRF: something is compressing the svgs
[16:37] <KRF> ouch
[16:37] <apachelogger> weehehehe
[16:37] <apachelogger> part of the default build process it seems
[16:37] <KRF> since when?
[16:38] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:38] <apachelogger> I don't even know why
[16:38]  * KRF wonders why noone noticed that earlier
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh
[16:38] <apachelogger> guess what
[16:38] <KRF> the highlight color looks pretty out of shape
[16:38] <apachelogger> debian screwed us over
[16:38] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[16:38] <apachelogger> :P
[16:39] <apachelogger> oha
[16:39] <apachelogger> actually it is all Riddell's fault
[16:39] <apachelogger> :P
[16:39]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a minute?
[16:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: what did I do now?
[16:40] <KRF> screw that riddell!!!11
[16:40] <debfx> apachelogger: I've added the necessary dependencies to pkg-kde-tools so cmpsvg works
[16:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: introduce scour
[16:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:41] <debfx> at least for oneiric it shouldn't be a problem anymore
[16:41] <apachelogger> the question i have is
[16:41] <apachelogger> if the cmp fails, will it reject the compressed svg or what?
[16:41] <debfx> then it uses the original svg
[16:41] <apachelogger> ah
[16:41] <apachelogger> ok
[16:41] <apachelogger> so
[16:42] <apachelogger> no brainer
[16:42] <apachelogger> although
[16:42] <apachelogger> I have that natty too
[16:42] <apachelogger> and I do not have new packages
[16:42] <apachelogger> weeh
[16:42] <apachelogger> debfx: SRU for pkg-kde-tools && nochange SRU for amarok once pkg-kde-tools is through SRU process plz
[16:43] <debfx> apachelogger: go ahead :)
[16:43] <debfx> is there even a bug report?
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am too old for this
[16:43] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192
[16:45] <apachelogger> oh hold on
[16:45] <apachelogger> debfx: you uploaded that fix to natty?
[16:45] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools (0.9.3ubuntu10) natty; urgency=low
[16:45] <apachelogger>   * Re-enable Scour as python-scour has dropped the problematic dependencies.
[16:45] <apachelogger>  -- Felix Geyer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:13:09 +0100
[16:46] <apachelogger> and even more so
[16:46] <apachelogger> debfx: that does not resolve the problem it appears
[16:46] <apachelogger> cause
[16:46] <apachelogger> cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images
[16:46] <apachelogger> it would appear that python-rsvg is still not dragged in in oneiric
[16:47] <apachelogger> so we need an explicit dep in oneiric, SRU that to natty, and then rebuild amarok via SRU
[16:47] <debfx> it certainly is now
[16:47] <KRF> apachelogger: uhm, how can i check the last upgrade of amarok on my system?
[16:47] <KRF> give me some bash magic
[16:47] <debfx> is it even broken in plain natty? the bug report talks about 2.4.1
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: hm, perhaps uploaded before latest amaork build then
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[16:48] <apachelogger> I have plain natty here
[16:48] <apachelogger> and the svg is fckd
[16:48] <apachelogger> also see build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68211946/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0-0ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:48] <KRF> purely fcked, i can attest
[16:49] <debfx> indeed
[16:50] <debfx> so yeah, no-change rebuild in oneiric and SRU pkg-kde-tools and amarok
[16:51] <debfx> assuming that cmpsvg detects the broken svg
[16:51] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, we probably should test that first ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> uh
[16:52] <apachelogger> the oneiric rebuild should give us an idea ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> debfx: at worst we'd introduce an env var to override scour, SRU that and then SRU amarok with the var exported
[16:52] <KRF> apachelogger: answer my question, lord of packaging
[17:01] <apachelogger> KRF: I do not compute the question pretty much
[17:01] <KRF> when...last..update...to..amarok..package on my system?
[17:01] <apachelogger> debfx: shall I assign you to the bugs?
[17:01] <apachelogger> KRF: ask the cloud
[17:01] <apachelogger> the log cloud
[17:01] <apachelogger> brrruhahaha
[17:01] <apachelogger> /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:01] <apachelogger> or maybe without .log
[17:01] <KRF> i see
[17:01] <KRF> apachelogger: so, since when this is all fcked up?
[17:01] <apachelogger> natty
[17:01] <apachelogger> dh_scour was introduced in natty the ubuntu manpages site says
[17:01] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah, though I would be worried if you continue to age that fast
[17:01] <debfx> looking at the bug report, cmpsvg will likely not solve the problem
[17:03] <apachelogger> KRF: in case you happen to know: does svgtinter hardcode the mappings?
[17:04] <debfx> apachelogger: it does a string based search/replace
[17:04] <apachelogger> because if so, then we should indeed introduce an overriding env var and thus provide scour from doing anything to amarok svg's
[17:04] <KRF> apachelogger: no idea
[17:04] <apachelogger> debfx: we want blacklisting for SRU then, and probably for oneiric too
[17:04] <KRF> apachelogger: ah, sorry. yes, it indeed is hardcoded
[17:05] <KRF> m_tintMap.insert( "#666765", App::instance()->palette().window().color().name() );
[17:05] <apachelogger> KRF: on a related note: you should gzip the svgs to svgz
[17:05] <KRF> "broken by design"
[17:05]  * apachelogger believes gzipping will be 300% more efficient than scour anyway
[17:05] <KRF> apachelogger: not sure if that makes sense wrt to versioning
[17:06] <apachelogger> KRF: gzipping?
[17:06] <apachelogger> gzipping makes always sense :P
[17:06] <KRF> gzipping and pushing it to Git?
[17:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:06] <apachelogger> it is not like anyone cares about svg markup :P
[17:06] <KRF> binary blobs are not really nice to `diff`
[17:06] <apachelogger> KRF: make it part of the build process then
[17:08] <KRF> apachelogger: not sure if this is going to be that trivial in CMake
[17:08] <debfx> apachelogger: scour and gzip are not mutually exclusive
[17:09] <apachelogger> course not, but gzip doesn't screw up your data :P
[17:12] <KRF> debfx: could you just gzip instead of using scour?
[17:12] <KRF> looks like our code could handle it
[17:13] <debfx> I'm sure there are applications that hardcode the svg filenames
[17:13] <KRF> debfx: sure, not globally. just for amarok
[17:13] <apachelogger> well
[17:13] <apachelogger> quite honestly I'd go a different direction altogether
[17:13] <apachelogger> make scour opt-in
[17:14] <apachelogger> I do not quite like the idea of having stuff screw with xml files for all kde packages
[17:15] <apachelogger> then again since there is a scour sequence anyway it is opt-in without us doing anything
[17:17] <debfx> maybe restrict it to main?
[17:17] <debfx> it would be interesting to know how much space it actually saves
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I like how the welcome package thread now has 57 mails
[17:18] <apachelogger> debfx: still too much option for breakage
[17:18] <debfx> but why don't we just fix SvgTinter?
[17:18] <apachelogger> you need to tightly check the software to ensure no new release suddenly breaks with scour
[17:19] <apachelogger> meaning you need to be aware of scour being used and you need to have the time to actually notice such things
[17:19] <apachelogger> which for the better part of our main packages is just not doable
[17:19] <apachelogger> debfx: because it woudl be a workaround to scour being a necessary evil
[17:19] <apachelogger> a necessary evil that only ought to be used when someone knows why whatfor and when it makes sense
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> morning gang
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes indeed
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: people screaming how they got their package
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should i 'contribute' :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> yplz
[17:30] <shadeslayer> oh anything interesting to do?
[17:30] <apachelogger> I fear if I tell people that eric brought it over personally they might get jealous
[17:30] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:30] <apachelogger> so I better not contribute
[17:31]  * apachelogger needs to go find some place where one could acquire eatables
[17:32] <KRF> apachelogger: guten
[17:36] <shadeslayer> "Harald Sitter has appeared online" :3
[17:40] <amorphous1> Riddell, ping
[17:43] <Riddell> hello amorphous1
[17:43] <amorphous1> Riddell, hello, I need to file a bug against a packahge but I'm not sure which one
[17:44] <Riddell> ...
[17:44] <amorphous1> Riddell, in KDE Keyboard preferences"→ Layouts → "Options…"→ "Key(s) to change layout
[17:44] <amorphous1> what is the package that manages that
[17:45] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace I expect
[17:45] <Riddell> although it's probably an upstream bug in which case -> bugs.kde.org
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ^^ on that note, are they really going to change bug trackers?
[17:45] <amorphous1> Riddell, thanks...that's the one
[17:45] <shadeslayer> someone threw in LP in the mix
[17:45]  * shadeslayer digs up emails
[17:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not that I know of
[17:49] <Riddell> there's a view that bugzilla has passed its use by date but there's no leading candidate to replace it
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently they're going to upgrade bugzilla to bugzilla 4
[17:49] <shadeslayer> thats what the sysadmin team is saying
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's on the plasma ML
[17:49]  * shadeslayer gets to merging choqok
[17:50] <Riddell> ok
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so, did you start with the bzr teams?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Scott said that you were away trying to adjust with them :D
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did, got some patches in
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:51] <Riddell> we had a sprint in London
[17:52] <shadeslayer> oh cool, can i expect LP not to time out next time when i copy like 100 packages? :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i see you added kubuntu_02_fix_message_indicator.diff to choqok
[17:56] <shadeslayer> simple change replacing INDICATEQT_BUILD with QTINDICATE_BUILD
[17:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: alas launchpad timeouts are nothing to do with bzr
[17:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I sent that upstream
[17:57]  * Riddell out
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh ... hasn't been applied :(
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cya
[17:57] <Riddell> hmm, tsk, he said he would
[18:26] <shadeslayer> hmm.. would someone sponsor a merge request for choqok?
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Some of us other council members conspired in your absence and decided that waiting and having the new council review/approve specs was more important than hitting some arbitrary deadline in the schedule.  I expect we'll schedule a meeting as soon as election results are known.
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab, 2nd interview time
[19:05] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: best of luck!
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[19:08] <jussi> Quintasan: apachelogger ping
[19:08] <jussi> Quintasan: apachelogger: my freescale boards just got updated to be shipped tomorrow. did you get a similar email?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: around ?
[19:27] <ScottK> Yes
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you sponsor 2 merges?
[19:27] <ScottK> ENOTIME for sponsoring right now.  Sorry.
[19:27] <shadeslayer> sure np
[19:28]  * shadeslayer files bug instead then
[19:31] <c2tarun> what does this class KFileMetaDataConfigurationWidget exactly do? in api its written that it configures what to be displayed from metadata but didn't explain how?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: the best place to ask would be #kde-devel
[19:32] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok :)
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> That's interesting.
[19:36] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: `??
[19:36] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: what happened? :D
[19:38] <yofel> he just found out how to fix the wiki? =þ
[19:39] <DarkwingDuck> The interview last 3 minutes and Jono wants to see a plan of action to refine, improve and grow the QA community by tuesday.
[19:43] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: good luck.
[19:43] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: Thanks Matre
[19:43] <DarkwingDuck> *Mate
[19:59] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (3 files in 2 dirs) Check the result of QApt Batch in InstallEvent before we triumphantly declare success. (LP: #745133)
[19:59] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog Set to UNRELEASED
[21:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the screenshots on your blog are from KDE 4.7 ?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ah yes, google translate says so
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer the latest ones?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[21:21] <sheytan> yes, neon
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer: why?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i should open up neon then :P
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i haven't opened neon in like a month ^_^
[21:21] <sheytan> fix akonadi please :D
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hahaha
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you can export a var and it start working
[21:22] <shadeslayer> yofel documented it afaik
[21:51]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[21:52] <shadeslayer> night
[22:11] <shadeslayer> hey apachelogger, i found your spaceshit http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/normandy.jpg
[22:11] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[22:11] <shadeslayer> i meant ship
[22:11] <shadeslayer> *facepalm*
[22:21] <ryrych> can you tell me the name of high-end and good looking laptop that uses ubuntu/kubuntu? good for marketing purposes?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> ryrych: google for zareason
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone know where the reordings form UDS are located?
[22:22] <ryrych> shadeslayer: ok, but what about Dell that Canonical on ubuntu.com advertises?
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> form/from
[22:23] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: one sec
[22:24] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: http://ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/
[22:24] <shadeslayer> ryrych: i have no idea on that
[22:24] <ryrych> ok
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: you are amazing
[22:24] <shadeslayer> i tried to get a Ubuntu powered laptop, but i couldn't get one from Dell
[22:25] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: *hugs*
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: *hugs* XD
[22:25] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: alot of them are on youtube as well
[22:25] <shadeslayer> ubuntudevelopers is the user iirc
[22:27] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhhh hah... This is what I was looking for... http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[22:28] <shadeslayer> thats a new one
[22:28]  * shadeslayer adds to bookmarks
[22:29] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: ah you meant audio recordings
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> aye
[22:32] <ScottK> ryrych: The systems you can get from Dell with Ubuntu on them are 'not very good.'
[22:41] <ScottK> I've bought quite a number of Dells and the pre-installed Ubuntu ones never made the grade.
[22:42] <ScottK> Zareason is a great choice for Kubuntu preinstalled.
[22:43] <DarkwingDuck> Zareason ++
[23:05] <valorie> Zareason are Good Folks
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Reminds me of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/17/ (coarse language)
[23:20] <DarkwingDuck> XD


[01:38] <GaiaX11> What is this channel about?
[01:38] <nalioth> hi fotf what exactly seems to be the problem?
[01:38] <nalioth> GaiaX11: this is where we come to help folks (#ubuntu gets VERY busy)
[01:39] <LjL> nalioth: basically he was just trying to install wine, and in the process i asked him to gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which apparently he did successfully, and then (since the winehq list was in another place) i asked him to run gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list, but that apparently doesn't work, and just gives that message
[01:39] <LjL> fotf: do you get any errors if you type "sudo apt-get update" now?
[01:40] <fotf> nope, everything is sucessful
[01:40] <LjL> fotf: then try typing again  sudo apt-get install wine
[01:41] <fotf> Wine is updating
[01:41] <LjL> updating? so you had it already installed...? :o)
[01:41] <LjL> well anyway, it's installing, which is the important thing about WINE
[01:42] <LjL> i'm still not quite sure why you can't start gedit but
[01:42] <fotf> yeah, it says "Upgrading" but still, let's see if this works
[01:42] <nalioth> i heard something mentioned about a 'root terminal'
[01:42] <nalioth> was there a root terminal in use?
[01:42] <LjL> nalioth: he mentioned root terminals, as opposed to Konsole, as opposed to X terminals... a bit of a mess :P
[01:43] <LjL> nalioth: anyway, he certainly was root at a point, if you notice the bash prompt at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5339/
[01:43] <LjL> (and no i never told him to make a root login...)
[01:43] <nalioth> starting kdesu/gksudo apps from a root terminal will fail, as root is not on the sudoers list (kinda redundant, don't you think?)
[01:43] <LjL> nalioth: right, and i told him that, but he states that it doesn't work even from an unprivileged X terminal
[01:44] <LjL> but apparently, it worked the first time when i asked him to paste sources.list
[01:44] <nalioth> fotf: in the future, hit alt-f2 and then "gksudo" or "kdesu"
[01:45] <fotf> Gotcha, but what does that do?
[01:45] <nalioth> root terminals are aberrations (weren't designed into Ubuntu for a reason)
[01:45] <LjL> fotf: you haven't read the !root page the bot sent you, have you? :P
[01:45] <fotf> Okies, it now asking me where to run an app
[01:45] <fotf> I have I have
[01:45] <fotf> Use Sudo as apposed to su
[01:46] <fotf> *opposed
[01:46] <LjL> fotf: gksudo (and kdesu) are simply the "GUI versions" of sudo that are used for GNOME and KDE respectively. you should *always* use them over "sudo" for GUI apps
[01:46] <fotf> Got it
[01:46] <LjL> fotf: "su" doesn't work at all
[01:46] <fotf> Uh-huh
[01:46] <LjL> unless you've done something not recommended such as making up a root password, of course ;
[01:46] <fotf> So what do I do with run application?
[01:47] <fotf> Wine has finished "Upgrading"
[01:47] <LjL> fotf: it's simple - when you need to start a GUI apps as root, you do "gksudo appfilename" (or "kdesu appfilename" under KDE), and you can do that easily from Alt+F2, which simply gives you a command prompt
[01:47] <LjL> fotf: then you should now be able to type "wine programname.exe" (in Alt+F2, again, or in a terminal) to start a Windows program
[01:48] <nalioth> if you use "sudo GUIapp", your permissions can be scrambled (and your linux won't work too well)
[01:48] <fotf> so something like this?
[01:48] <fotf> << Cd /media/cdrom0               wine setup.exe>> ?
[01:49] <nalioth> yes
[01:49] <fotf> Okay, do I need to create like, a directory for Wine to store the registery and other stuff?
[01:50] <nalioth> nope
[01:50] <nalioth> !tell fotf about wine
[01:51] <nalioth> see the PM from the bot to get running
[01:51] <fotf> Sorry, I'm not registered with the Nickserv
[01:51] <LjL> uh?
[01:51] <LjL> you should receive PMs anyway
[01:51] <LjL> you just cannot *send* them
[01:51] <LjL> (but i guess ubotu gets them anyway)
[01:52] <fotf> I see it now
[01:52] <LjL> fotf: anyway the directory where wine stores stuff is ~/.wine
[01:52] <LjL> you don't need to create it, it's there
[01:52] <fotf> kk
[01:52] <fotf> I tried wine RegnumOnlineInstall.exe
[01:52] <fotf> but then I get this error
[01:52] <nalioth> fotf: ubotu is set up to help everyone
[01:53] <fotf> ugh, you mind if I don't pastebin this?
[01:53] <nalioth> pastebins are a goodness
[01:53] <LjL> how long is it
[01:54] <LjL> (but yeah, what's wrong with using the pastebin anyway, it's neat)
[01:54] <fotf> Seven lines, and no one's using this channel excpet us anyhow
[01:54] <LjL> well if you really dislike the pastebin that much... paste
[01:54] <fotf> wine: creating configuration directory '/home/fotf/.wine'...
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> Failed to open the service control manager.
[01:54] <fotf> wine: '/home/fotf/.wine' created successfully.
[01:54] <fotf> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\RegnumOnlineInstall.exe": Module not found
[01:55] <LjL> are you sure you're in the right directory where the .exe resides?
[01:55] <fotf> I have it on my desktop...
[01:55] <fotf> Hold on
[01:55] <LjL> type  pwd  and paste the output
[01:55] <fotf> I'll try moving it to another dir that I will direct the terminal to
[01:55] <LjL> no
[01:56] <LjL> didn't you mention it was in /media/cdrom0 anyway? now it's on the desktop?
[01:56] <fotf> Oh, that was an example
[01:57] <fotf> It's working now!!!
[01:57] <fotf> (Although really !@#$ laggy...I need more ram)
[01:58] <fotf> So, if I want to run a prog on wine, I do this right?
[01:59] <fotf> <Cd      Cd ~/wine      wine Anything.exe>
[01:59] <nalioth> you should have right-click-functionality now to open MS things in wine
[01:59] <fotf> sweet
[02:00] <fotf> so I won't have to hassle with the terminal?
[02:00] <nalioth> not unless you want to
[02:00] <nalioth> did you read what the bot sent?
[02:00] <fotf> Everything
[02:01] <nalioth> did you run winesetupcfg or whatever it is called?
[02:02] <fotf> nope
[02:03] <nalioth> you should do that first
[02:03] <LjL> nalioth: what's that? winesetuptk? i don't think it's mentioned on our wiki
[02:03] <nalioth> no? horrors!
[02:03] <fotf> and just how do I do that?
[02:04] <LjL> nalioth: actually, winesetuptk probably *is* the horror :P
[02:04] <nalioth> fotf: disregard, they may have made advances from the time i used wine
[02:04] <LjL> under KDE, installed Windows applications simply end up in the main menu, no need to do anything special... not sure about gnome
[02:04] <fotf> thank god
[02:05] <LjL> the wiki simply tells you how to add them manually, so i guess no cookie in GNOME
[02:05] <nalioth> LjL: in gnome, there is context functionality, also
[02:06] <LjL> nalioth: in KDE, i just double click on the executable :P
[02:06] <nalioth> i think you can do that in gnome, too
[02:07] <nalioth> i've not had an x86 in years
[02:07] <nalioth> didn't run wine when i DID have one
[02:07] <nalioth> who needs windows?
[02:07] <LjL> gamers :P
[02:08] <nalioth> that is slowly becoming a thing of the past
[02:08] <LjL> and web designers, unfortunately for them
[02:08] <LjL> well... quite slowly from what i can see
[02:09] <LjL> keep in mind that - at least from what i'm told - the trend for games is to move *towards* Direct3D in spite of OpenGL
[02:09] <LjL> if that's true, that certainly doesn't much encourage Linux ports
[02:10] <nalioth> LjL: i disagree
[02:10] <fotf> YES
[02:10] <nalioth> web designers can use w3w standards and have fully functional websites that work in ALL browsers
[02:11] <fotf> Well, let's just hope the windows genuine thing bundled with DirectX will have developers move toward OpenGL
[02:11] <fotf> Btw, can any of you tell me what this means?
[02:11] <LjL> nalioth: are you sure IE actually respects those standards? =)
[02:11] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[02:11] <nalioth> LjL: of course it does
[02:12] <nalioth> LjL: microsoft makes its "own" tricks and adds them to IE and IIS but they are not 'standards'
[02:12] <LjL> fotf, WINE spits tons of warnings. i don't know what that particular one means
[02:12] <fotf> It has nothing to do with wine
[02:12] <nalioth> since MS thinks it's gonna control the world, it figures those "special tricks" will become standards
[02:12] <fotf> I tried running the Regnum Online linux binary, but it didn't work
[02:12] <nalioth> LjL: you need to read up on some of the dirty tricks MS uses to make it seem IE is the best browser around
[02:13] <fotf> that's why I needed wine
[02:13] <nalioth> online binary?
[02:13] <fotf> no no
[02:13] <LjL> fotf: then i guess it's something to do with OpenGL support in your card...
[02:13] <fotf> Regnum Online is the game name
[02:13] <fotf> oh ****
[02:13] <LjL> or, lack of support perhaps
[02:14] <fotf> Intel is owned by MS right?
[02:14] <nalioth> no
[02:14] <LjL> mouarf
[02:14] <fotf> Good
[02:14] <fotf> Okay, I need some more help now that I know all this junk
[02:14] <nalioth> yep, education sucks
[02:15] <fotf> What is the defualt card that ships with the Dell Dimension 2400? (So old it's not on the dell site anymore)
[02:15] <nalioth> teaches you that there is more to be taught
[02:15] <nalioth> fotf: open a terminal please
[02:15] <fotf> Had one open all this time
[02:16] <nalioth> ok, type "sudo cal" <enter>
[02:16] <fotf> A calender...
[02:16] <nalioth> yes, i know it makes a calendar
[02:16] <fotf> wheee
[02:16] <nalioth> ok now type "sudo lshw > ~/Desktop/hardware" <enter>
[02:17] <fotf> Okay, all it did was make all my drives spin
[02:17] <fotf> now what?
[02:17] <nalioth> open up the 'hardware' file on your Desktop with a text editor
[02:17] <nalioth> nd enjoy
[02:19] <fotf> Hey, does intel usually have OpenGL Drivers?
[02:19] <nalioth> for their cards, i'd suspect they do
[02:22] <fotf> Arg... I googled 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device openGL and everything is just so technical, my fragile newb mind cannot compute...
[02:25] <fotf> I can't find a driver for my 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[02:25] <fotf> Should I upgrade to nvidia soon?
[03:45] <norty> yo
[03:45] <jrib> norty: where is the partition mounted now?
[03:45] <norty> to a folder on my desktop
[03:45] <jrib> what's the full path?
[03:45] <norty> /home/norty/Desktop/folder
[03:46] <jrib> ok, and what happens if you 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' in a terminal?
[03:46] <norty> permission denied
[03:47] <jrib> 'ls -ld /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:47] <norty> dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2007-01-29 19:05 /home/norty/Desktop/folder
[03:48] <jrib> since this is temporary, we'll just try with you as root instead of remounting...
[03:48] <jrib> 'sudo -i'
[03:48] <jrib> 'cd 21:45 <             jrib > what's the full path?
[03:48] <jrib> erm wrong paste
[03:48] <jrib> 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:49] <norty> ok im in there
[03:49] <norty> what now
[03:49] <jrib> norty: does 'ls' display your files?
[03:49] <norty> ya
[03:49] <jrib> ok then you have access.  type 'exit'
[03:49] <jrib> then try 'gksudo nautilus /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:50] <norty> ok i can see them now
[03:50] <jrib> ok
[03:50] <norty> will i be able to copy them off to like an ipod or mp3 player?
[03:50] <jrib> norty: do you want to learn how to mount it with proper permissions or are you ok with just working with root this time?
[03:50] <jrib> norty: yeah, you can read the files so you can copy them anywhere you have write access
[03:50] <norty> im fine with working with root this time, i just installed ubuntu incorrectly and didnt want to lose my data
[03:51] <jrib> here's the link with info on using umask (for when you need to know in the future):
[03:51] <jrib> !ntfs | norty
[03:51] <ubotu> norty: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:53] <norty> it doesnt let me drag and drop from the folder to my mp3 player..
[03:53] <jrib> norty: can you copy to your desktop?
[03:53] <norty> no
[03:54] <jrib> norty: tell me the full path to a file you are trying to copy
[03:54] <jrib> or just do what I am going to say next, in a terminal: sudo cp /path/to/file/you/want/to/copy ~/Desktop
[03:55] <norty> /home/norty/Desktop/folder/file.txt
[03:56] <norty> ok that worked
[03:56] <jrib> how are you copying in nautilus?
[03:57] <jrib> try to right click > select copy.  Then right click > select paste in the target
[03:57] <jrib> dragging may try to move instead of copy
[03:57] <norty> i tried both
[03:57] <norty> didnt work
[03:57] <norty> what is nautilus
[03:57] <norty> im not sure im using it
[03:57] <jrib> weird, just use the shell then
[03:59] <norty> ?
[03:59] <jrib> use cp commands to copy what you need, since that does work
[03:59] <jrib> nautilus is the gui file manager thing
[03:59] <norty> i havent used that
[03:59] <norty> ive just been drag and dropping but thats not working
[03:59] <jrib> we opened it when we did "gksudo nautilus ..."
[03:59] <norty> it didnt open
[04:00] <jrib> but you said "ok I can see them now"
[04:00] <jrib> what did you mean?
[04:00] <norty> i could see the files
[04:00] <norty> is nautilus a file browser?
[04:00] <jrib> yes
[04:00] <norty> ok then its open
[04:00] <norty> nevermind i was using it
[04:01] <norty> ok so i want to copy the files from the folder to my sansa sandisk
[04:01] <norty> i dont konw what the location of the sandisk is..
[04:01] <jrib> is it mounted in /media somewhere?
[04:01] <norty> let me lok
[04:02] <norty> yes it is
[04:03] <norty> its named Sansa e260
[04:03] <jrib> k, you know how to copy the files now?
[04:04] <norty> when i tried that sudo cp command with the destination Sansa e260 it didnt like the e260 part
[04:04] <norty> how do i represent a space in the path?
[04:04] <jrib> "file with space"  or  file\ with\ space
[04:04] <jrib> or 'file with space'
[04:05] <norty> so like /media/Sansa"file siwht space"e260
[04:05] <norty> ?
[04:05] <jrib> nah, '/media/sansa 260'
[04:05] <norty> i tried that it didnt work
[04:05] <cables> include the quotes
[04:05] <jrib> paste the command and error
[04:05] <norty> norty@norty:~$ sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg /media/Sansa e260
[04:06] <cables> norty, put quotes around it
[04:06] <norty> cp: target `e260' is not a directory
[04:06] <cables> sry jrib, couldn't help but butt in...
[04:06] <jrib> sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg '/media/Sansa e260'   thanks cables
[04:07] <norty> huge that worked
[04:07] <norty> can I somehow add a whole folder?
[04:08] <jrib> cp -a foo bar
[04:08] <norty> um what
[04:08] <norty> say its in ~/Desktop/folder/theFolder
[04:08] <jrib> cp -a /home/norty/Desktop/folder/SOMEFOLDER '/media/Sansa e260'
[04:08] <norty> ok
[04:08] <norty> let me try
[04:09] <jrib> foo and bar are commonly used terms that mean "put something appropriate here"
[04:09] <jrib> or just foobar I guess
[04:10] <norty> awesome that worked
[04:12] <norty> so like the files are read-only, when i copy them to my xp partition will they still be read-only?
[04:12] <jrib> I don't really know how xp will handle that
[04:13] <norty> im gunna go try this and see what happens, ill be back in like 5 minutes
[04:13] <jrib> norty: but I'm pretty sure that even if they are read only you can make them not read only in xp
[04:19] <norty> sweet it works
[04:19] <norty> thanks dude
[04:20] <jrib> norty: yw
[04:21] <norty> <3
[04:51] <norty> jrib
[04:51] <norty> is there a way I can do this faster, its taking soo long
[04:51] <jrib> norty: not that I know of
[04:52] <jrib> norty: go make a sandwich :)
[04:52] <norty> its taken 15 minute to transfer 1.5 gigs
[04:52] <norty> would I be able to connect my laptop to this desktop via usb and transfer that way?
[04:53] <jrib> there is probably some way, but I don't know how
[04:53] <jrib> someone in #ubuntu might know
[04:53] <nalioth> that only works with Apple hardware and firewire, i'm afraid
[04:54] <norty> hmm
[04:58] <norty> is there a way I can copy the files over a network to another computer?
[04:59] <nalioth> sure
[04:59] <norty> how
[04:59] <nalioth> just like you said
[05:00] <norty> ?
[05:00] <nalioth> use cp or scp to copy the stuff
[05:00] <norty> how do I connect to the computer though
[05:02] <nalioth> scp or cp are both network aware
[05:02] <nalioth> not sure what you're asking
[05:06] <norty> my friend has a computer running xp
[05:06] <norty> i want to be able to copy the files from my hd using ubuntu to his computer
[05:07] <nalioth> do you have an sshd running?
[05:07] <norty> i dont know
[05:09] <nalioth>  type "ssh yourusername@localhost" and see what happens
[05:10] <norty> in the terminal
[05:11] <norty> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[05:12] <nalioth> then please type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in the terminal
[05:13] <norty> ok it did a bunch of stuff
[05:13] <norty> now what
[05:14] <nalioth> now try the ssh yourname@localhost
[05:15] <norty> ok i connected..
[05:15] <norty> now what
[05:22] <nalioth> norty: now go to your windows machine, go to www.freewarehome.com and find an sftp program
[05:22] <nalioth> it has to support sftp
[05:23] <norty> ok
[05:24] <nalioth> once you find one and get it set up on the windows box, you can use it to log into your machine and do what you like
[05:27] <norty> i downloaded filezilla
[05:27] <norty> i want to be able to copy files from my comp to his comp
[05:27] <nalioth> right. you can do it from his computer
[05:27] <nalioth> put filezilla on it
[05:28] <norty> i put filezilla on his computer
[05:28] <norty> and i have that shh installed on my linux computer
[05:28] <norty> now what
[05:29] <nalioth> on your computer, in the terminal, type "ifconfig" and get your computers IP address
[05:30] <norty> ok got it
[05:30] <nalioth> now remember the IP address, and use it in filezilla
[05:30] <norty> ok
[05:30] <norty> hold on let me try
[05:38] <norty> doesnt work
[05:38] <norty> it says i dont have permission to copy the files
[05:38] <norty> can i somehow copy them from my computer to his computer? instead of using his computer to copy them from mine to his?
[05:38] <norty> that way i dont have to deal with this permission stuff
[05:40] <nalioth> did you log in with your user/pass ?
[05:40] <nalioth> you should have full access to your home directory and its contents
[05:40] <norty> i did, it didnt work
[05:41] <norty> i dunno if you were here but i was having troubles getting permission the the folder im trying to copy from earlier
[05:41] <norty> jribs helped me get permission somehow
[05:41] <norty> so thats probably the issue again
[05:42] <nalioth> probably
[05:43] <norty> do you know of a way to do it through ubuntu?
[05:43] <nalioth> he'd have to install an sshd on his windows
[05:43] <nalioth> much much more problematic than the way you tried to do it
[05:44] <norty> whats sshd?
[05:44] <norty> like is it a program or something he can just easily install?
[05:44] <nalioth> not easily
[05:44] <norty> i see
[07:15] <norty> how do I remove a directory?
[07:21] <norty> cables how do I remove a directory that is on an external usb drive?
[07:22] <cables> same way you do on any other drive
[07:23] <norty> norty@norty:~$ sudo rmdir -r '/media/Sansa e260/MUSIC/Music'
[07:23] <norty> rmdir: invalid option -- r
[07:23] <norty> Try `rmdir --help' for more information.
[07:23] <norty> thats what i get
[07:23] <cables> not rmdir -r
[07:23] <cables> rm -r
[07:23] <norty> doh
[07:23] <cables> :)
[07:23] <cables> i see they're helping you in #ubuntu
[07:25] <norty> it says permission denied
[07:25] <cables> sudo rm -r then
[07:25] <norty> i did that
[07:25] <cables> with the sudo?
[07:26] <norty> ya


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