[00:03] <xubuntu130> its any way to open multible tabs conversations but from different accounts
[00:03] <xubuntu130> on pidgin?
[00:03] <xubuntu130> i have a skype and a msn account
[00:03] <xubuntu130> and i want to see both friend lists of these account and talk them
[00:05] <brainwash> xubuntu130: try asking in #pidgin
[00:05] <xubuntu130> okie thanks :)
[00:05] <th0r> xubuntu130: pidgin doesn't support voice
[00:06] <xubuntu130> what you mean? no video calls?
[00:06] <xubuntu130> i am talking only about text\
[00:06] <th0r> xubuntu130: ah...you said 'talk'
[00:07] <xubuntu130> yeah i mean text chatting :P by the way it sucks that no voip services in pidgnin...i think linux looses a bit on chatting or? :P
[00:07] <th0r> xubuntu130: well, those are topics for #pidgin
[00:08] <brainwash> but microsoft offers an offical linux skype client
[00:09] <xubuntu130> brainwash i know but i think isnt so good designed as it should be...and also why micorosoft to have to make a such important service for linux?
[00:11] <brainwash> there are alternative voip services and programs, but most people simply use skype i guess
[00:13] <xubuntu130> maybe i dont have searched much about this ;) by the way just testing now the youtube-dl the terminal program for download youtube videos
[00:13] <xubuntu130> i can tell that i enjoy it alot more than even youtube downloader intereface program of windows 7 :P
[00:19] <brainwash> enough offtopic talk :P
[00:25] <xubuntu130> hehe why not :P sometimes offtopic talk when there is no talk at all  isnt bad:P
[00:27] <brainwash> many people don't agree with that, this channel is only meant for support queries
[00:28] <brainwash> so you better ask some xubuntu related questions :P
[00:30] <xubuntu130> oh ok i am sorry hehe :) dont worry i ll find sure alot xubuntu related questions but for now i am going for some sleep :) gn fellows!
[00:31] <toast> trying to install serviio in the process of making "serviio.conf" i get a Permission Denied when trying to save to etc/init...why?
[00:31] <th0r> toast: did you use sudo?
[00:32] <toast> i used gedit to write the script and then save as
[00:33] <th0r> toast: the user doesn't have permission to write into /etc/anything, you need to start gedit with sudo (root priviledges) or sudo nano in the terminal.
[00:33] <genii-around> Save it for now in your home folder then just do : sudo cp filename /etc/init-wherever
[00:33] <genii-around> th0r: sudo for gui is not recommended
[00:34] <xubuntu130> gksudo is the right
[00:34] <xubuntu130> :)
[00:34] <th0r> genii-around: yeah....I know....momentary slip
[00:34] <th0r> actually....I was testing you guys
[00:35] <xubuntu130> :P
[00:35] <xubuntu130> will i take a candy? :D
[00:35] <toast> done thanks
[00:36] <xubuntu130> by the way its true that medit is better compatible for xfce than gedit?
[00:36] <th0r> xubuntu130: I use mousepad for the gui, and nano for editing in the terminal
[00:37] <xubuntu130> interesting...never heard of them...in terminal i just know the vi
[00:37] <xubuntu130> oups i have the nano and i dint knew it lol
[00:38] <th0r> xubuntu130: mousepad used to be the official xfce editor...just a basic text editor. Nano isn't as cryptic as vi. For serious programming I still prefer nedit. A little rough around the edges by today's standards...but plenty capable
[00:39] <xubuntu130> yeah leafpad i think is excellent too for default editor :) nedit?interesting i ll check it too
[00:39] <brainwash> used to be?
[00:39] <brainwash> mousepad is back in 13.04
[00:39] <th0r> brainwash: I think it has been replaced, hasn't it?
[00:40] <th0r> brainwash: it was never removed, but I don't think it is the default any more.
[00:40] <xubuntu130> The program 'mousepad' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install mousepad
[00:40] <xubuntu130> :P
[00:40] <brainwash> it's in Raring
[00:41] <brainwash> they changed the default editor
[00:41] <brainwash> for what ever reason
[00:42] <brainwash> xubuntu130: are there any problems while running gedit?
[00:45] <genii-around> xubuntu130, th0r, et al: Actually gksu is no longer installed by default now, the current recommendation is to use: sudo -i gedit /wherever        type of syntax now
[00:46] <th0r> genii-around: I heard something about that recently. Don't worry much about it since any root editing I need to do is done in the terminal with nano <smile>
[00:47] <brainwash> what about pkexec?
[00:47] <toast> trying to start serviio following this http://wiki.serviio.org/doku.php?id=howto:linux:install:ubuntu and this is where im stuck at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5698779/
[00:48] <genii-around> brainwash: http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default-in-13-04  suggests it also, but I'm not sure of the usage
[00:49] <th0r> toast: sudo service serviio start/stop/restart  (or ...start serviio....?)
[00:50] <brainwash> lucky me, focusing more and more on terminal applications
[00:51] <th0r> toast: yup...man says sudo service serviio start/stop/restart
[00:52] <toast> still says the same thing
[00:53] <th0r> toast: check sudo service serviio status and see if the script is even there
[00:54] <toast> nope same gonna start over
[00:55] <th0r> jeez....need some patience
[01:32]  * ObrienDave is away: Snoozin
[01:34]  * ObrienDave is back (gone 00:01:31)
[01:46] <Unit193> ObrienDave: Please don't use away scripts like that, thanks.
[01:47] <ObrienDave> yea, yea, been told, been fixed. thanks
[02:13] <xubuntu760> wanderfull
[05:01] <deckard> hello. Is XFCE that comes with XUbuntu the same as XFCE from site?
[05:02] <ObrienDave> yup
[05:02] <holstein> deckard: xubuntu uses xfce.. the same "one" that you can get from the site, and customizes it
[05:03] <holstein> !xubuntu
[05:03] <deckard> ty holstein
[05:04] <deckard> under appearance, and icons is that just for desktop icons?
[05:05] <ObrienDave> and menu icons, i think
[05:06] <deckard> which do yuo think goes best with ALbatross/
[05:06] <deckard> same for font and size
[05:06] <holstein> deckard: try it live. you can poke around and customize
[05:06] <holstein> !best
[05:07] <ObrienDave> i like the standard xfce set
[05:07] <deckard> holstein, do you use another font?
[05:07] <ObrienDave> not much into 'eye candy'
[05:07] <deckard> what are event sounds? the dog bark?
[05:08] <deckard> and "enable input feedback sounds"
[05:08] <ObrienDave> yup, another waste of computing power
[05:08] <deckard> ok
[05:08] <holstein> deckard: i would say, if you are new to xubuntu, try the defaults for a while.. mess around with the settings on a liveCD
[05:09] <deckard> ok
[05:09] <ObrienDave> or, install it yo a VM like VirtualBox
[05:09] <deckard> I use xfce so that my game can get as much priority as it can from stock os
[05:09] <ObrienDave> *to a
[05:09] <deckard> someone showed me some clock test where xfce gives you like 15% better
[05:10] <deckard> maybe higher
[05:10] <deckard> does that sound accurate ?
[05:10] <ObrienDave> yup, less overhead. LXDE is supposed to be lighter than XFCE
[05:10] <deckard> what is the command to get that?
[05:11] <ObrienDave> it's called Lubuntu
[05:11] <deckard> oh yes i have it
[05:11] <deckard> i will try my game
[05:11] <deckard> ty
[05:11] <ObrienDave> yw
[05:11] <deckard> be well all
[05:14] <blech_> i logged out and i see "gnome/open box lxgames lubuntu and lubutnu nexus 7 session. which is best for the game?
[05:14] <holstein> !best | deckard
[05:14] <deckard> sure i mean which is lxde?
[05:14] <holstein> deckard: the desktop environment wont make your machine any faster
[05:15] <holstein> deckard: lxde is  light.. the "l" stands for light
[05:15] <holstein> !lxde
[05:15] <deckard> so lxde is the lubuntu option on boot?
[05:15] <deckard> i dont see just lxde
[05:15] <holstein> deckard: lubuntu is using LXDE.. as xubuntu is using XFCE
[05:15] <holstein> !lubuntu
[05:16] <ObrienDave> yes
[05:16] <holstein> deckard: what would i do? try them.. try the live if you want.. see what works for you
[05:16] <deckard> !lxgames
[05:16] <deckard> !lx games
[05:16] <holstein> deckard: i do not know what lx games is
[05:16] <deckard> holy crap, is holstein a bot?
[05:17] <deckard> sob xD
[05:17] <holstein> deckard: ?
[05:17] <ObrienDave> could be......
[05:17] <holstein> deckard: im am saying, i do not know what lxgames is.. its not a known desktop environment
[05:17] <deckard> when i go to login in, i se lx games as one, ill look on forums
[05:17] <holstein> deckard: right. so, you have added that somehow.. maybe with a PPA
[05:17] <deckard> it show up with Xubuntu
[05:17] <holstein> maybe by trying to find a lightweight gaming desktop..
[05:18] <deckard> yes
[05:18] <deckard> i am
[05:18] <holstein> deckard: lubuntu doesnt "show up" with xubuntu
[05:18] <holstein> deckard: so you have changed things from the default
[05:18] <ObrienDave> dang holstein, you almost had him convinced you were a bot ;)
[05:19] <deckard> holstein, marys mother has 4 daughters. their names are martha, jessie and jill. What is the 4th daughters name?
[05:19] <holstein> !ot | deckard
[05:20] <deckard> ty
[06:28]  * ObrienDave is away: Snoozin
[07:23] <xubuntu432> hello! just installed xubuntu and the mic doesn t work with skype. did someone happen to have the same pb?
[07:24] <ObrienDave> make sure the mike is not muted
[07:24] <ObrienDave> *mic, sorry, tired
[07:26] <xubuntu432> can i see that in pavucontrol? wha is the name of the tab?
[07:27] <ObrienDave> open a terminal, run alsamixer
[07:28] <ObrienDave> F4 for capture volumes
[07:28] <ObrienDave> sorry, F3 will show you mic volume (gain)
[07:30] <xubuntu432> when i click F4 i have a column dedicated to mic
[07:30] <xubuntu432> it s written capture R L
[07:30] <xubuntu432> L R actually
[07:30] <Sysi> make sure you have the right input device selected and set to be used with skype
[07:31] <xubuntu432> how do i know?
[07:31] <Sysi> look at pavucontrol
[07:32] <xubuntu432> there is no input device available...
[07:33] <xubuntu432> how can i solve that?
[09:14] <lqid> Cisco AnyConnect Secure Mobility Client - Any Xubuntu alternative for this? Would love to get a VPN connection to work going.
[09:15] <bekks> lqid: openvpn client. But it may not qwork because of your VPN administrator forcing to use that distinct software only.
[09:18] <lqid> bekks: Thanks very much. Greatly appreciate the help.
[11:08] <nantou> help to create a shortuct to a program that works under wine
[11:08] <nantou> please
[11:48] <veebull> halp!
[11:49] <veebull> for some unknown reason, my xubuntu has been getting more and more flaky over the last couple days
[11:49] <veebull> keeps logging me out when I click on seemingly random things
[11:49] <veebull> opening a PDF (sometimes)... open a program from the applications menu(sometimes)... etc.
[11:50] <nightyyx> anyone knows if it is possible to make the thumbells of icons (images) to be a bit bigger?like windows 7
[11:50] <veebull> opening the startup and windows sessions section of the preferences - every time => logs me out
[12:06] <livingdaylight> Hi, I have a usb camera, which when I plug in lights up, but neither cheese or skype give me a picture
[12:08] <livingdaylight> Cheese says its usb2.0 PC Camera/dev/video1
[12:08] <nightyyx> you checked the skype options in video settings?
[12:08] <nightyyx> to see if its selected in skype settings this usb camera?
[12:09] <livingdaylight> skype recognizes it as usb 2.0PC Camera (/dev/video1) as well
[12:09] <livingdaylight> http://clip2net.com/s/57tCwI
[12:10] <nightyyx> hmm
[12:10] <nightyyx> i cant say much as i am new too the linux too :(
[12:10] <livingdaylight> ok :)
[12:13] <nightyyx> hmm i guess your usb camera should be mounter for to get recognized from skype?
[12:13] <nightyyx> i would say to go to File Manager
[12:13] <nightyyx> and check on the devices
[12:13] <nightyyx> if its mounted
[12:15] <livingdaylight> how annoying. I'd have to go to a terminal and mount it?
[12:15] <livingdaylight> how do I see whether its mounted or not?
[12:15] <nightyyx> hm
[12:16] <nightyyx> go to File manaer
[12:16] <nightyyx> where it have your home folders
[12:16] <nightyyx> and hard disks of your computer
[12:16] <nightyyx> and see if its on the list the name of usb camera!
[12:16] <livingdaylight> which list?
[12:17] <nightyyx> applications menu ---> File Manager
[12:17] <nightyyx> on the list on the left
[12:17] <livingdaylight> http://clip2net.com/s/57tJAH I would say not
[12:17] <nightyyx> you should see your home folder desktop and hard disks
[12:17] <livingdaylight> you mean like when I put a cd or external hd, and it shows in the left column?
[12:18] <nightyyx> yes
[12:18] <livingdaylight> yea, don't see it
[12:19] <nightyyx> :)ok
[12:19] <nightyyx> then thats why you have problem
[12:19] <nightyyx> i dont know if it have to do with drivers about this specific usb camera or you have to mount it
[12:19] <livingdaylight> ok, thx
[12:19] <nightyyx> try to unplag it and plug it to another usb port
[15:09] <ktwo> hi i there a gui for samba which integrates nicely in thunar/xubuntu?
[15:09] <ktwo> basically i want to quickly share folders occassionally without messing with text editors
[15:09] <TheSheep> ktwo: sure, you should see 'network' in the sidebar
[15:09] <TheSheep> 'browse network'
[15:10] <Sysi> I think that's only for client
[15:10] <ktwo> eh yea but i need to share a folder of my linux filesystem
[15:10] <ktwo> to access it from windows
[15:10] <TheSheep> there was  a gui dialog for that...
[15:10] <TheSheep> 'shared folders' or something
[15:10] <ktwo> i remember thunar shares or something
[15:11] <ktwo> but it isnt in the repo :o
[15:11] <Sysi> you could keep the windows share up and then upload files after connecting to it, or use WinSCP to get the files
[15:11] <TheSheep> it wasn't part of thunar, but it was in the system settings
[15:11] <ktwo> nah i need native access in file explorer
[15:11] <ktwo> cause i need to work on this files directly with some other program
[15:11] <TheSheep> well, you can always make a custom action
[15:11] <TheSheep> for mounting it
[15:12] <Sysi> the inverse solution worked for me, made a folder writable in windows and connect client to it and then upload
[15:12] <ktwo> i think i found the plugin in ppa
[15:13] <ktwo> though i dont see an install button strange.. its  thunar-shares-plugin
[15:34] <xubuntu285> quit
[16:08] <MrToine58> bonsoir
[16:33] <apm1> xubuntu 13.04 just acted weird
[16:34] <apm1> i was running xchat and i did a /quit
[16:34] <apm1> i saw a info window pop up before i could quit xchat "xchat couldn't get permission to write logs "
[16:35] <apm1> thus i had to check my home folder
[16:35] <apm1> turns out the thunar icons had little locks on them in /home/user
[16:35] <kRush> !enter
[16:36] <apm1> that sounds like a classic case of borked authentication ?
[16:38] <apm1> oh and after not being able to do anything abt it ,i tried log out from the gui , but x didn't restart , it hung on a blank screen with nothing but a blinking cursor
[16:38] <apm1> so i switched to tty2 and logged in from there and did sudo shutdown -P now
[16:40] <apm1> it immediately went down , and when i booted it again , there was the plymouth xubuntu screen with "system performing routine fs checks " and then "/ fs has errors "
[16:41] <apm1> i rebooted and did an fsck on my / partition , from a live cd
[16:41] <apm1> turned out fine there
[16:41] <apm1> now , wtf happened here exactly ?
[16:47] <apm1> meh i hope this turns out to be a phantom bug
[16:47] <apm1> but fs permissions locking in
[16:48] <apm1> why do i have a feeling of deja-vu ?
[16:52]  * apm1 gets sick of waiting
[16:52] <apm1> blargh !
[16:53] <apm1> meh i am just gonna disregard this and wait for it to reproduce itself
[16:53] <apm1> let it resurface then we'll talk
[17:40] <xubuntu550> Hello
[17:41] <xubuntu550> I have a probleme, my xubuntu doesn't wan't connect to internet HELP ME PLZ
[17:41] <th0r> xubuntu550: don't yell. is the wifi router plugged in?
[17:41] <holstein> xubuntu550: no problem... xubuntu doesnt actually connect directly to the internet.. you need hardware.. do you have networking hardware? if so, do you know what it is?
[17:53] <memand> Hey guys, I'm going to do a fde install of xubuntu 12.04 on a USB flash drive, I'm wondering how a system like that would hold up against bruteforce atacks on the passphrase?
[17:55] <holstein> memand: its really the "best" way to do it... everything is compromisable though, in theory.. just depends on the time and resources of the attacker, i supppose
[17:57] <memand> holstein: but is there any built in delay on receiving passphrases?
[17:58] <holstein> memand: im not an encryption expert.. i'll answer as clearly as i can.. how would a system like that hold up? likely as good as anything else would. is it "crackable"? sure
[17:59] <memand> holstein: Ok, thanks :)
[17:59] <holstein> memand: what would i do? set it up and try and compromise it.. use security algorithyms that are in place already.. use appropriate technology.. consider paying an expert if this is mission critical
[18:00] <holstein> one could also just setup truecrypt, and make things as complicated as you want for a smaller store of data.. thats usually the way i go, since i dont need or want the overhead on my entire system
[18:01] <holstein> really depends on your exact needs.. but i think anyone who says "you are completely and totally safe" should be ignored
[18:02] <memand> holstein: Indeed :) I might actually do both, since I'm going to use it for my offline Bitcoin vault I see no reasson not to go to extreme measures :)
[18:02] <Sysi> I believe it comes down to your password
[18:03] <memand> ^
[18:03] <holstein> sure, the password can help, but *any* password is compromisable, assuming enough time and/or resources of the compromiser
[18:04] <holstein> you would choose a passcode that is resonably hard enough to crack given current technology
[18:04] <Sysi> I mean it's the main thing in order to slow down attacker, because password length exponentially adds possible combinations
[18:04] <holstein> if i find your USB stick and want to hire out an amazon farm to crack on it, how long will it take is that realistic?
[18:05] <memand> The key is to find out how fast it is feassible that an attacker could "type" in passwords and then how make password that is loong enough to make it uneconomical for an attacker to crack it and still short enough so that you don't need 30 mins to type it in you self
[18:06] <holstein> well, if the question is, what size or quality passcode is big or good enough. on some level, that is a matter of opinion.. and totally up to your needs
[18:06] <holstein> also, depends on where and how you are storing it.. you might be able to add 2 factor authentication
[18:09] <chaitime> hello friends
[18:10] <memand> I think I'm just going to go with a 12-15 char phrase and have more than one coppy of the wallet, so that I can empty it before it would get compromised
[18:11] <chaitime> The games that come with Xubuntu, is that based off a default gnome-like package or Xubuntu team chooses them?
[18:14] <Bishey> hi guys, is anybody here able to explain to me
[18:14] <Bishey> why my xubuntu on my laptop seems to use utf8 but when i ssh on my mainmachine it seems like i not using utf8
[18:15] <Bishey> bc chars like äüö are broken
[18:15] <Bishey> never seen that behavior on any other distribution
[18:15] <Bishey> only seems to occur with ssh
[18:16] <holstein> Bishey: you ssh to a server? the server could have different settings.. have you tried a different terminal emulator? what terminal do you usually use? i would just install it and see.. also, test from TTY
[18:16] <Bishey> well im sshing to that machine all the time. im using terminal
[18:16] <Bishey> im gonna test from tty
[18:17] <Bishey> tty same behavior, it adds "s" after every ü for example
[18:18] <holstein> Bishey: i would try as a different user.. i would try from a live CD if i thought it were something to do with the keybaord hardare
[18:18] <holstein> hardware*
[18:18] <Bishey> but it works outside of ssh
[18:19] <Bishey> nyeh
[18:19] <holstein> Bishey: ok.. so you are not testing as a different user.. i'll throw out some more suggestions.. how about ssh to localhost?
[18:19] <Bishey> okay, gonna try that
[18:20] <Bishey> sshing localhost works
[18:21] <holstein> Bishey: you can try ssh to another host.. but, as i suggested first, the issue seems server side
[18:21] <Bishey> yeah guess you're right
[18:21] <Bishey> i tried my root server and im not having the problem
[18:22] <Bishey> but the machine im sshing doesn't do that
[18:22] <Bishey> i mean, i ssh that thing all the time, and im not having the problem
[18:23] <holstein> Bishey: the firts step is to admit you have a problem.. seems like the user on the server is the issue..
[18:23] <Sysi> Bishey: on the problem machine, what does "locale" say?
[18:23] <Sysi> Bishey: are you using screen?
[18:23] <Bishey> oh, it says nothing
[18:23] <Bishey> in fact
[18:23] <Bishey> POSIX
[18:24] <Bishey> it's a gentoo machine, and it's usually set to DE_de.UTF8
[18:24] <Bishey> but it seems that is not right, when sshing to it
[18:25] <holstein> Bishey: well, at least you know the issue is not with the client
[18:26] <Bishey> well, yeh, but i never having that problem elsewhere
[18:28] <holstein> Bishey: you dont have that problem from the same client in with another user, correct?
[18:28] <holstein> Bishey: you can try the other emulators.. or answer Sysi  about screen..
[18:29] <Bishey> öhh, can try root
[18:29] <holstein> Bishey: or, make another user and test..
[18:29] <Bishey> yep, problem still there
[18:30] <Bishey> locale seem to not get set by my main machine when sshing to it
[18:30] <holstein> Bishey: you said it wasnt there as root? correct?
[18:30] <Bishey> yeü
[18:31] <Sysi> try setting locale in .bashrc/similar
[18:35] <Bishey> oh, locale seem to be set nowhere on my main machine
[18:35] <Bishey> seems like gdm are setting 'em
[18:35] <Bishey> is*
[18:35] <Bishey> that explains alot, but why do other machine ssh without any problems
[18:39] <Sysi> maybe they have send_env set in conf or not actually using utf8
[18:39] <holstein> Bishey: what would i do? try another terminal emulator..
[18:40] <Bishey> but i only like terminal
[18:40] <holstein> Bishey: ok
[18:40] <holstein> Bishey: but, even as a troubleshooting step, it can be helpful.. and helpful for the volunteers that are helping you to gather data
[18:43] <Bishey> i think i will just let the locale set on the host somewhere
[19:24] <nantou> how do I download a video from a random site? (not youtube)
[19:26] <holstein> nantou: i would ask the content creator for a copy
[19:35] <Sysi> maybe some browser plugin
[19:37] <TheSheep> or you just right-click and select 'save as' if they didn't disable it
[19:38] <TheSheep> and if they are using html5 video
[19:38] <nightyyx> :PO
[19:38] <nightyyx> :O
[19:38] <nightyyx> wow
[19:38] <nightyyx> html 5 will kill all the cool browser plug ins and programms about downloading videos from sites
[19:38] <nightyyx> :P
[19:39] <TheSheep> not if they include the drm spec that w3c is working on now
[19:40] <TheSheep> but that's offtopic
[19:42] <nightyyx> yeah
[20:21] <memand> Hey, I'm following this http://57un.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/full-disk-encryption-using-ubuntu-in-most-secure-mode-with-aes-xts-plain64/ guide to making an encrypted install but I have overwritten the disk I want to install to with 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX' and gparted is telling me to choose a partitioning table for the disk, which one should I choose?
[20:25] <memand> And why, if not too much trouble to explain
[20:25] <memand> , = ?
[20:26] <Unit193> !filesystems | ext4 is default
[20:28] <memand> I have the choice between MS-DOS, aix, amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, pc98, sun and loop
[20:28] <memand> It says MS-DOS is the default
[20:29] <memand> Unit193, ^
[20:30] <Unit193> YOu have overwritten the disk, you need to format it.
[20:30] <memand> yes
[20:31] <memand> But I must admit that I don't know much about the advantages/disadvantages of the different formats
[20:33] <memand> I have tried google'ing linux partion tables,  but it did not turn up anything useful
[20:40] <peyam> hi
[20:41] <peyam> When I have video convesation on skype I can hear sound from youtube or vlc
[20:41] <peyam> what can the problem be?
[20:44] <xubuntu052> installing skype? -- I moved over from ubuntu and having been trying to install skype. It's not in the repositories and the download from the skype website doesn't work either... I'm using a live DVD 64-bit xubuntu.
[20:44] <Unit193> It's in the partner repo,
[20:44] <Unit193> !partner
[20:45] <peyam> xubuntu052: worked for me! doenload the .dep file för ubuntu 12.04 and run the .dep file in software center. just dubble click on it
[20:46] <Unit193> Erm, better to install from repos, automatic updates and packaged for Ubuntu.
[20:46] <peyam> there is one in software center as well
[20:47] <xubuntu052> I added the canonical respositories and updated. apt-cache search skype shows it's there but it can't be installed for some reason.
[20:47] <peyam> you can. it is already in your dash
[20:47] <peyam> just type skype
[20:47] <peyam> it is there even if the "install"button doesnt turn to "remove"
[20:48] <elfy> dash?
[20:48] <xubuntu052> i'm using xubuntu.
[20:48] <peyam> unity launcher..
[20:48] <peyam> yeah
[20:48] <peyam> go to Internet
[20:48] <knome> peyam, this is the xubuntu support channel.
[20:48] <elfy> peyam: dash and unity is not xubuntu
[20:48] <peyam> I mean application lounter > internet
[20:48] <xubuntu052> isn't dash unity?
[20:48] <Unit193> There is no Unity in Xubuntu.
[20:48] <knome> peyam, and please check your attitude.
[20:48] <knome> peyam, please consider this as the last warning
[20:49] <peyam> knome: it is the second time you say that.. I dont know what im writing that makes you believe I have  abd atitude
[20:49] <peyam> xubuntu052: go to application menu > internet. Skype is there
[20:49] <seronis> is there any software in the repos that would help with tabletop gaming?  D&D or Pathfinder? (pf specific is best)
[20:50] <xubuntu052> anyway back to the issue, is this a live dvd issue? do xubuntu users have any issues installing skype 4.2 -- if not, I'll just take it as gospel and deal with it after a full install.
[20:50] <peyam> I just installed skype! I donno what the problem is!
[20:50] <knome> xubuntu052, there shouldn't be any problems. if you have them once you've installed the system, just come back here and ask for help
[20:50] <elfy> xubuntu052: I installed skype fin less than 5 days ago
[20:51] <xubuntu052> skype 4.2 elfy / knome? or the one in the canonical repository?
[20:51] <Unit193> xubuntu052: Canonical repo *has* 4.2
[20:51] <xubuntu052> not sure if the repository has 4.2 but I am assuming it's <4.2
[20:51] <knome> xubuntu052, i can only speak for what is in the repositories
[20:51] <knome> !info skype
[20:52] <xubuntu052> ah, ok unit193.
[20:52] <knome> hmm.
[20:52] <xubuntu052> what ubottu?
[20:52] <Unit193> !info skype-bin partner
[20:52] <knome> Unit193, yeah... just figured out.
[20:52] <Unit193> knome: I win! :D
[20:52] <peyam> knome: why do you think I have  abad attitude?
[20:53] <knome> peyam, if you want to discuss it further, please take it to #ubuntu-ops. thanks
[20:53] <xubuntu052> sorry can someone translate that -- skype-bin 4.2 is in the repository then and I can just install in xubuntu yes? it must be a live DVD issue then.
[20:53] <peyam> knome: next time you can pm me! :)
[20:54] <xubuntu052> I'm using xubuntu 13.04 64bit
[20:54] <Unit193> xubuntu052: Yes, it's in an additional repo you have to enable, but it is there nonetheless.
[20:55] <xubuntu052> it's not the canonical repo?
[20:55] <Unit193> It is, that's the additional repo, as seen in Software Sources.
[20:57] <xubuntu052> OK - I added the canonical repo using the live dvd already. I get an i386 dependency error on install. I guess it's a live dvd issue. OK thanks everyone.
[20:59] <peyam> xubuntu052: still hanging on skype?
[20:59] <knome> xubuntu052, if you want to debug it, you can !pastebin the error, but if you're installing anyway, it might be better to do that first
[21:00] <peyam> knome: what is the default font in xubuntu?
[21:00] <xubuntu052> If people have been able to install skype 4.2 on xubuntu 13.04 64bit without issue, it must be a live dvd problem so I'll do that knome. Thanks for your help.
[21:01] <knome> xubuntu052, we have. no problem, enjoy :)
[21:04] <seronis> I noticed that the partners repos are deactivated in sources by default.  Is there any way i can see whats in them to decide if i want to activate them or not ?
[21:05] <xubuntu803> hey there, quick question if i may?
[21:06] <Unit193> You can visit them and read the Release file, seronis.
[21:06] <knome> !ask | xubuntu803
[21:06] <seronis> Unit193: except i dont know -what- needs visiting. There is no url listed in the 'other software' tab
[21:06] <seronis> it just says "Canonical Partners" without saying what that means
[21:07] <seronis> id like to get a package list
[21:07] <xubuntu803> okay, thanks.  just done a fresh install (hard-drive died) of 13.04 and can't remember how I enabled video thumbnails within Thunar.
[21:07] <Unit193> seronis: It's not exactly normal, but it works to gunzip this and read it http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/partner/binary-i386/Packages.gz the more interesting ones are skype and adobe flash.
[21:08] <nightyyx> since i red somewhere the word thumbnails
[21:08] <seronis> Odd..  i already have flash with the 'restricted-extras' package
[21:08] <nightyyx> can i make the pictures thumbnails larger?like windows 7?
[21:08] <nightyyx> :P
[21:08] <seronis> that was in 'Independant' i thought
[21:09] <seronis> nightyyx: i cant help with that, but if you need the slideshow feature of win7 i can help
[21:10] <Unit193> nightyyx: Yeah, check in view, or Ctrl+scroll
[21:10] <Unit193> seronis: Yep, flashplugin-installer is in main, adobe-flashplugin is in partner.
[21:11] <seronis> Unit193:  thank you (for link and flash info)
[21:11] <seronis> i had actually already found out how to make my own Packages.gz for using a local folder as a repo.  didnt know how to figure out the urls for offsite ones yet
[21:12] <nightyyx> Unit193 yeah but ctrl and scroll make folders also thumbnails...i mean i would like normal size for folder and bigger thumbnails inside the folders
[21:13] <conoral11> Hi there, I'm having an issue with network sharing. I am sharing my WiFi connection from my netbook, to my desktop via ethernet. Both are running 13.04. I am using the network manager to share the connection. And it works, for about 5-10 seconds, then the desktop machine no longer loads web pages. No notification of lost networking either. Any clues where I should be looking?
[21:14] <Unit193> seronis: Sure, and you can use apt-cache for that, many useful commands there.  You use mini-dinstall for local?
[21:14] <Unit193> conoral11: Can check logs in /var/log/, and `dmesg`
[21:15] <seronis> apt-cache hadnt learned that one yet either.  thank you will check out man page on it
[21:17] <xubuntu052> Just a big thank you to any xubuntu contributors out there - I've been demoing various distros and have gone through mint-xfce, mint-cinnamon 15, ubuntu 13.04, aptosid, debian live, debian wheezy, fedora 18 xfce and I keep coming back to xubuntu which I will install. Thank you!
[21:18] <knome> xubuntu052, thanks and enjoy :)
[21:21] <seronis> knome: i know i brought this up once before,  but do you accept any patches for xfce or thunar or do you only use the versions as released by xfce directly?  im almost getting comfortable enougn to start messing with thunars missing features (ctrl-tab between tabs, exe bit in properties) and i've heard mention the xfce team itself is VERY picky about their design choices, even when others consider those
[21:21] <seronis>  choices wrong
[21:22] <knome> seronis, if you have a patch that won't be accepted to xfce but which is considered a good one for xubuntu collectively by the team, we can consider patches.
[21:22] <knome> seronis, but i still can't promise anything
[21:22] <nightyyx> nautilous or thunar? witch is best? :P
[21:22] <knome> !best | nightyyx
[21:22] <seronis> nightyyx:  this is a biased channel to ask that
[21:23] <knome> nightyyx, and what seronis said ^
[21:23] <nightyyx> :P well it have to do a bit with xubuntu since its about thunar comparision too :P
[21:24] <knome> not really
[21:24] <seronis> nightyyx:  well in the past 6 years i've installed linux probably 20 times and never kept it more than a few days or a week
[21:24] <knome> nightyyx, do you have a support question?
[21:24] <seronis> this is my first time using xfce (xubuntu) and i havent felt a single urge to put win7 back on after over 3 weeks
[21:25] <nightyyx> seronis true :) even as a window user for years i feel so ok with xubuntu no the need to go back to windows 7 :P
[21:25] <nightyyx> knome well
[21:25] <nightyyx> i would like to make some more customization to thumbnails
[21:25] <knome> if you want to discuss migration from windows more, please take it to #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:25] <knome> nightyyx, you mean more emblems?
[21:25] <nightyyx> ok :)
[21:26] <nightyyx> sorry for my bad english first of all! well i want to have the option to make the pictures thumbnails bigger
[21:26] <nightyyx> but without affect the folders! i mean i want to keep the folders size in normal size and make larger the thumbnails pictures inside these folders :P
[21:26] <seronis> knome: the  ctrl + mousewheel method that Unit mentioned works for the entire Thunar session.. not for specific folders
[21:26] <nightyyx> yes :)
[21:27] <knome> seronis, you can change the listing type for the directories with images; see the view-menu, or press ctrl+123
[21:27] <knome> err, sorry, nightyyx ^
[21:27] <seronis> both
[21:27] <knome> hmm.
[21:27] <knome> yeah, you're correct
[21:27] <knome> iirc, it used to be different before
[21:28] <seronis> but thats not the issue.  mode '1' for icons is what I also prefer
[21:28] <seronis> but id like image folders to have larger icons
[21:28] <seronis> that doesnt seem possible
[21:28] <nightyyx> yeah
[21:28] <nightyyx> the only thing that i missed from windows...
[21:28] <nightyyx> i want to give a more multimedia look to my xbuntu that already is amazing with cairo dock too :)
[21:29] <knome> there are applications for photo browsing though, maybe that's something you might want to look at
[21:29] <seronis> 'feh' is great
[21:29] <seronis> its what I scripted to use for the slideshow option
[21:29] <nightyyx> i checked a few still cant decide...i think the default image viewer is good for browsing photos but i wanted to make it without a app
[21:30] <nightyyx> feh?is your script?
[21:30] <Unit193> !info feh
[21:30] <seronis> well i installed 'feh' which is an image browser that supports full screen, window mode and even 'set to wallpaper'.  i like customizability
[21:30] <seronis> and inside Thunar  'custom actions' i set a right click option to    feh -FZYzr -D5 %d
[21:31] <seronis> named it  "view as slideshow"  and now when i right click on an image i get the same feature as in Win7
[21:31] <nightyyx> interesting...i am downloading also feh
[21:31] <conoral11> Unit193: Nothing obvious in dmesg, and I can't find anything nasty in the logs. What is happening is the network ondesktop machine side seems to hang, giving a ping command doesn't return anything
[21:32] <nightyyx> i will make also the same customization...lets see :) but it would be great as a feature by default to another xubuntu version :)
[21:33] <Unit193> conoral11: Yeah, I'd do as you did and try to ping <IP_ADDRESS> and if that worked checked DNS, but since that's out...  Desktop and laptops cut out right?
[21:33] <nightyyx> hm feh dint find his place to a application category type
[21:33] <nightyyx> i have to use terminal to run it
[21:33] <Unit193> Could be router/modem?  I've never use ad-hoc connections.
[21:33] <nightyyx> and great...run errors :P
[21:34] <nightyyx> nightyyx@nightyyx-A6VA:~$ feh
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.ICEauthority - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.Xauthority - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.Xdefaults - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.bash_history - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.bash_logout - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.bashrc - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.chromium-bsu - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.gksu.lock - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-A0RTXW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-JN67WW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-LNUUWW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-MQAIXW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-P5KKXW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.goutputstream-TCP9WW - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.gtk-bookmarks - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.profile - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.pulse-cookie - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <seronis> nightyyx:  for large pastes try using a pastebin site and just pasting the links
[21:34] <seronis> =-)
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.swn - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.swo - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.swp - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.viminfo - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.xscreensaver - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.xsession-errors - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:34] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./.xsession-errors.old - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:35] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./How to download youtube videos from terminal in Ubuntu.-qDQ4e0CKC8Q.mp4 - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:35] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./ex03_1.s - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:35] <nightyyx> feh WARNING: ./linux.dummies.pdf - No Imlib2 loader for that file format
[21:35] <nightyyx> feh: No loadable images specified.
[21:35] <nightyyx> See 'man feh' for detailed usage information
[21:35] <nightyyx> yeah my bad sorry :)
[21:35] <nightyyx> i used only once this great pastebin feature and havent it in my mind
[21:35] <seronis> also in the 'Appearance Conditions' tab the only checkmark i have is 'image files'
[21:35] <MrElg> oh, and i have sound notification on, that enchanting rythm
[21:35] <nightyyx> what you mean?
[21:35] <seronis> for 'feh'
[21:36] <seronis> in Thunar  Edit menu ->  Confingure Custom Actions
[21:36] <seronis> click  '+',   name/desc both to  'view as slideshow'
[21:36] <seronis> command is        feh -FZYzr -D5 %d
[21:36] <seronis> then in appearance conditions tab   'image files' is the only checkbox
[21:37] <seronis> after that right clicking on an image file in the thunar window will give you the 'view as slideshow' option
[21:37] <conoral11> Unit193: Ping <IP_ADDRESS>, hung a while and is now saying host unreachable. The Laptop is always working (It is what I am writng to you on)
[21:37] <nightyyx> i should run this command in terminal?
[21:37] <seronis> no
[21:37] <seronis> type it inside the dialog box i just said
[21:37] <nightyyx> ok w8
[21:38] <Unit193> conoral11: I don't know, sorry.  All I can say is try restarting network-manager. :/
[21:39] <nightyyx> i went Edit menu ->  Confingure Custom Actions
[21:39] <seronis> good so far
[21:39] <nightyyx> and i did as you told me
[21:39] <nightyyx> but still cant find the slidshow option
[21:39] <seronis> its not an option.. you are MAKING the option
[21:39] <seronis> click the green plus icon
[21:40] <seronis> "create custom action"
[21:40] <nightyyx> yes
[21:40] <seronis> in the name and description fields type   "View As Slideshow" or whatever you want it to show up as
[21:40] <seronis> in the command field type  "feh -FZYzr -D5 %d"   but no quotation marks
[21:40] <nightyyx> ok
[21:40] <seronis> then click from the Basic tab to the Appearance Conditions tab
[21:40] <conoral11> Unit193: Thank you for you help nether the less!
[21:40] <seronis> and make sure "Image Files" is the only checkmark
[21:41] <seronis> i have an asterisk in the File Pattern with nothing else
[21:41] <seronis> click 'OK'
[21:41] <nightyyx> WOW! works like a charm! Amazing!
[21:41] <seronis> then 'Close',   then in the Thunar window navigate to a directory that has a bunch of images and right click one
[21:41] <seronis> =-)
[21:42] <nightyyx> ;)
[21:42] <nightyyx> its great now i can enjoy better some photos
[21:42] <seronis> the specific options in 'feh -FZYzr -D5 %d'  will make it do a 5 second delay between image swaps, random image selection and also RECURSIVE selection so it will look in all sub directories of the specific file you click on too
[21:42] <seronis> oh.. and auto stretch to fit window
[21:43] <seronis> but you can check out the arguments feh supports and set it to the behavior you prefer
[21:43] <nightyyx> your advices are precious :) i need a good detailed explanation of this command! thank you!
[21:44] <seronis> Q: does anyone know how to adjust those custom action commands so that they only show up in specific directories instead of with specific filetypes ?
[21:44] <seronis> cause i have one for grabbing the public link of my dropbox items and i would prefer the option not show up everywhere
[21:57] <nightyyx> having close drivers instead the open source drivers of a ati graphic card desktop will look different?
[21:59] <heoyea> hi
[22:28] <memand> WHY IN THE .... did the xubuntu installer just start dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2??
[22:28] <memand> /dev/sda does not even have anything to do with where Im installing too
[22:38] <heoyea> ?
[22:39] <memand> Just my thoughts


[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:45] <giri> how to install canon LBP 2900 printer to it@school(10.4)
[17:04] <nhaines> dpm: are we not having a call today?
[17:05] <dpm> hey nhaines, I had moved the two previous ones to wednesday so that pleia2 could make it, but I left the rest as on Thursdays
[17:05] <dpm> either day wfm
[17:06] <dpm> is it on your calendar for tomorrow?
[17:07] <nhaines> Nope, it simply disappeared.
[17:07] <dpm> oh man, I hate google calendar
[17:07] <dpm> it's still on my calendar, so let me fix it
[17:08] <nhaines> Also darn, I was hoping to hear from pleia2 but Richard emailed her so it should be fine.  :)
[17:11] <dpm> nhaines, hm, not sure what to do, I see the event in the calendar, and I'm not sure why it's not appearing in yours - and I would imagine it doesn't appear in the other folks' calendars either
[17:11] <dpm> I sent an e-mail update from the event. Did you receive an e-mail and did it contain an invite?
[17:12] <nhaines> dpm: an email, but no invite.
[17:13] <dpm> I'll re-create the event
[17:13] <nhaines> dpm: Richard mentioned that it's on his calendar for tomorrow, though.
[17:14] <dpm> nhaines, let me see if removing and readding you fixes it
[17:14] <nhaines> \o/
[17:14] <dpm> mhall119, is the ubucon call on your calendar for tomorrow? ^^
[17:15] <dpm> nhaines, I _think_ you should have received the invite now
[17:15] <nhaines> There we go.  And it shows up for tomorrow now too.
[17:16] <dpm> so my subtle attempts not to have you in  the call failed :)
[17:16]  * dpm hugs nhaines
[17:16] <nhaines> Hahah
[17:16]  * nhaines hugs dpm
[17:16] <nhaines> Well, I guess I look forward to tomorrow, then.
[17:16] <dpm> great, same here!
[17:17] <mhall119> dpm: ubucon or summit?
[17:17] <dpm> mhall119, the-not-yet-named-event @ SCALE :)
[17:17] <mhall119> dpm: I have the summit/scale call on my calendary, yes
[17:17] <dpm> cool
[17:17] <mhall119> conflicting with my CC meeting again though
[17:18] <nhaines> Yup, that's why I thought the Wednesday move was more permanent.
[17:18] <mhall119> even just 30 minutes earlier would avoid the conflict
[17:18] <dpm> yeah, clearly Wednesdays would be a better day
[17:19] <nhaines> I was ahead of the game!  \o/
[17:19] <dpm> :)
[17:19] <nhaines> mhall119: I need to submit a conference pack request for one of my LoCo members for November.  Is that situation all sorted out now?
[17:20] <dpm> I'm flexible for tomorrow, but I don't know if 30 mins earlier is too early for nhaines and Richard. Moving forward, we should move the Wednesday move permanent starting next week
[17:20] <mhall119> nhaines: it's being sorted, but you can go ahead and request it
[17:20] <nhaines> 30 minutes earlier is fine with me.  Should probably ask Richard, he might have other obligations.
[17:21] <nhaines> mhall119: thanks.
[21:01] <DalekSec> !ping
[21:01] <ubot5`> pong!


[00:03] <emma> pwnguin: this is my Xorg.0.log -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1403f10c
[00:11] <pwnguin> bbiab dinner
[00:11] <emma> cool see you later on
[01:09] <intangir> where do i get the beta versions of ubuntu?
[01:09] <intangir> and what versions are they?
[01:09] <AirBender> it's alpha on thees days
[01:09] <AirBender> theese
[01:10] <AirBender> these, whatever
[01:10] <dmoerner> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-4/
[01:30] <intangir> does it have the guest login feature?
[01:33] <intangir> well thx im gonna try it out
[01:34] <AirBender> yes
[01:55] <bsnider> can somebody try increasing nautilus icon zoom level to 200% please?
[02:02] <AirBender> done
[02:02] <bsnider> nautilus should now be leaking memory like the titanic
[02:03] <AirBender> can't see any changes in the memory monitor as I change the value
[02:03] <bsnider> cool
[02:05] <bsnider> you increased it in the preferences window right?
[02:05] <AirBender> yes
[02:05] <AirBender> mmm
[02:05] <AirBender> no
[02:05] <AirBender> lol
[02:06] <bsnider> it has to be system-wide
[02:06] <AirBender> just where it says zoom
[02:06] <AirBender> beside the icon view combo box
[02:06] <bsnider> ok, click edit
[02:06] <bsnider> then preferences
[02:06] <AirBender> done
[02:07] <AirBender> nothing happened
[02:07] <bsnider> icon view defaults 200%
[02:07] <AirBender> yep
[02:07] <AirBender> and I can see the big icons
[02:07] <bsnider> when i did it it grabbed all of my ram
[02:07] <AirBender> and I have opened another window
[02:07] <AirBender> not here
[02:08] <AirBender> amd64 system
[02:08] <bsnider> yeah
[02:08] <AirBender> and I have 80% of my RAM full
[02:08] <bsnider> what's nautilus using?
[02:08] <AirBender> will check
[02:09] <AirBender> 30 MB
[02:09] <AirBender> two windows
[02:09] <bsnider> huh
[02:09] <bsnider> maybe i should blow away my gconf directory and switch gtk themes or something
[02:10] <bsnider> which icon theme are you using?
[02:10] <AirBender> new-human
[02:10] <AirBender> and metacity as window manager
[02:11] <AirBender> because I don't know why compiz refuses to start automatically
[02:13] <AirBender> by the way, the on demand frequency scalling isn't working
[02:13] <AirBender> stays at the lower limit
[02:18] <x1250> AirBender, yeah, compiz doesn't autostart here too, and I can't add it to the gnome session also, so I have to manually start it on login. Anyway, I read tha you could use ~/.config/autostart to manually add compiz to the gnome session, but I don't know the details of how to do it.
[02:18] <AirBender> yes, I have been starting it manually, but well, isn't that important though
[02:19] <x1250> nope :)
[02:29] <Cycom> hey, anyone else having their window decorations get all screwed up with the new nvidia drivers?  just the bar along the top.  Emerald themes work fine, but stuff like newhuman or the ubuntu studio theme are all wonky.
[02:31] <Cycom> doesn't show up in screenshots either.\
[04:21] <outbr1> So, I switched over to Intrepid day before yesterday and had most everything working when I shut it down last night. (Second reboot after upgrade, first was minutes after upgrade). When I booted up this morning, I had no internet connection. The cable is fine, I checked that connection. Ubuntu says it is connected at 100mb/s, with all the correct numbers, but it isn't. It appears Intrepid is no longer using the network-admin that Hardy used, and now
[04:22] <bsnider> network-manager has been upgraded, yes
[04:24] <outbr1> The first problem I've had with nm is that it won't let me save a configuration, it says it failed.
[04:24] <bsnider> if it's wired, why would you need to do that?
[04:25] <LSD|Ninja> NM handles wired connections too. The problem is that it only enables tham after login. 0.7 is supposed to fix that only it doesn't work in Intrepid yet >_<
[04:26] <outbr1> Because it had no configuration to begin with. Somewhere along the line it saved one, so when I view Connection Information everything seems right. What shows up in the Addresses section is not what is shown in Connection Information.
[04:26] <bsnider> what does nm say your ip address is?
[04:27] <outbr1> It shows that as the correct ip (<IP_ADDRESS>), and the same one that is in Connection Information.
[04:28] <bsnider> why do you think you're not actually connected?
[04:29] <outbr1> Hmm. I can't ping out, or connect to anything in firefox.
[04:29] <outbr1> I can ping and ssh into it, though.
[04:30] <bsnider> is there anything bizarre about your setup?
[04:30] <outbr1> Not particularly. I could get out fine on everything before my second reboot.
[04:31] <bsnider> what kind of network hardware is it?
[04:31] <jessica> hey guys
[04:32] <bsnider> greetings and salutations
[04:32] <jessica> 8.10 has the .26 kernel doesnt it ?
[04:32] <SebNaitsabes> hi
[04:32] <bsnider> no
[04:32] <bsnider> .27
[04:32] <jessica> oooo testing kernel
[04:32] <jessica> hehe
[04:32] <bsnider> works fine
[04:32] <bsnider> has lot sof new drivers
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> what's  Ibex on now?
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> alpha still?
[04:33] <jessica> i wonder when my wireless card will have drivers
[04:33] <bsnider> new alpha is out ina  couple days
[04:33] <bsnider> what card is it?
[04:33] <jessica> rtl8187b
[04:33] <jessica> realtek
[04:33]  * SebNaitsabes likes to get  Ubuntu early, but not to early which he did with Gutsy and learnt his lesson
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> since the updates screwed Gutsy up in the end
[04:34] <SebNaitsabes> untill  the stable was much nearer
[04:34]  * jessica tested hardy from alpha 1 - rc1
[04:34] <outbr1> bsnider: the router is an extreme networks summit 48, iirc
[04:34] <bsnider> check the .27 kernel to see if there's a driver for it
[04:34] <jessica> i shall but i dont think there is
[04:34]  * SebNaitsabes wonders if Jessica will get bored of development Ubuntu after a week to
[04:34] <jessica> is it in alpha 4 now >?
[04:34] <bsnider> i think it's alpha 4
[04:34]  * SebNaitsabes  jessica wants some distro where she will learn a lot
[04:35] <SebNaitsabes> when 's  Ibex beta?
[04:35] <bsnider> a few weeks
[04:35] <jessica> ill test it in alpha
[04:35] <jessica> it be fun
[04:36] <SebNaitsabes> ,but is alpha stable enough to well not screw things up big time?
[04:36] <bsnider> that's subjective
[04:36] <jessica> ill let you know SebNaitsabes
[04:36] <bsnider> the more intel hardware you depend on, the better
[04:36] <jessica> ooo thats good
[04:36] <SebNaitsabes> new Ibex features are?
[04:36] <jessica> i have a intel cpu, intel graphics and intel sound
[04:37] <bsnider> they will all work fine
[04:37] <jessica> hehe i have 2 sound cards :S
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> hardy seems rather similar to gutsy to me
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> so I gusss Ibex will seem rather simlar to hardy
[04:37] <jessica> nah
[04:37] <bsnider> gnome is much faster
[04:37] <bsnider> pulseaudio 9.11 is glitch-free
[04:37] <jessica> kde is nice tho well on gutsy it is
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> you mean no more
[04:37] <jessica> i never botherd with hardy apart from in testing lol
[04:38] <SebNaitsabes> killall pulseaudio?
[04:38] <jessica> i prefer alsa
[04:38] <bsnider> pulseis getting better all the time
[04:38]  * SebNaitsabes dosan't really care as long as his sound works, and wonders what the differences are anyway
[04:38] <bsnider> the volume control is almost on par with vista
[04:39] <jessica> alsa is less to type when in the /etc/init.d/ directry
[04:39] <jessica> o god it dnt work then
[04:39] <jessica> vista is crap
[04:39] <jessica> for everythin
[04:39] <SebNaitsabes> vista is ok
[04:39] <bsnider> vista's userspace sound system is excellent
[04:39]  * jessica slaps SebNaitsabes
[04:39] <jessica> lol
[04:40] <bsnider> and the volume control provides a central place to control all applications that use sound, even if those apps don't have colume controls nomrally (like msn messenger)
[04:40]  * SebNaitsabes  becomes a woman beater :D  and punches  jessica with a virtual punch in the face for it
[04:41] <jessica> bsnider: ive used vist
[04:41] <jessica> *vista
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> so pulseaudio is not screwed
[04:41] <jessica> the RSOD put me off
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> ?
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> RSOD?????
[04:41] <jessica> red screens of death
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> rythombox etc will just work to play sound with out needing  to killall pulseaudio anymore with  Ibex?
[04:41] <bsnider> yes
[04:42] <jessica> 16mins off download being done
[04:42] <bsnider> but banshee-1 is better than rhythmbox
[04:42] <jessica> brb guys
[04:42] <SebNaitsabes> banshee has no last.fm plugin I think though
[04:42] <bsnider> yes it does
[04:42] <bsnider> you're behind the times
[04:42] <bsnider> i'm talking about banshee-1
[04:42] <bsnider> the new one
[04:42] <SebNaitsabes> rythombox is a pretty shit player, but  it does have last.fm plugin :)  and plays my music and that's the main things
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> a new version in Ibex
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> that is not in hardy?
[04:43] <bsnider> right
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> saying that no backport?
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> or something
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> to get that version in Hardy?
[04:43] <bsnider> actually there's a ppa repo that is for hardy too but you have to add it
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> what's ppa?
[04:44] <bsnider> http://banshee-project.org/
[04:44] <dmoerner> !ppa
[04:44] <bsnider> you can clearly see the last.fm plugin in the sidebar
[04:45] <SebNaitsabes> so that's the way to get the latest banshee for hardy tehn?
[04:45] <SebNaitsabes> and oh it does video now to
[04:46] <SebNaitsabes> I got Banshe 0.13.2 installed
[04:46] <jessica> back
[04:46] <bsnider> that's been deprecated
[04:46] <jessica> i might be gone again im not sure
[04:46] <SebNaitsabes> oh well that's the one in hardys repo isan't it?  I gues so
[04:46] <bsnider> banshee-1 has a very good daap plugin too
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> since all my updates are on
[04:47] <bsnider> you have to add the ppa repository
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> what's daap?
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> how do I add the ppa repo was that your second link?
[04:47] <jessica> be back again
[04:47] <bsnider> daap is apple's music-sharing protocol. it's a way to share music on a network
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> I see
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> probably won't be using that anytime soon if ever
[04:48] <bsnider> https://edge.launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive
[04:48] <bsnider> those are the instructions
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> what are the new features of Ibex?
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> other than more drivers
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> in the kernel
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> and pulse being fixed
[04:49] <bsnider> it will make your bed and brush your teeth after it gets the morning papers
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> heh
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> seriouslely?
[04:49] <RAOF> My laptop fails to boot if not plugged in.  that's a pretty nifty feature
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> the new features
[04:49] <bsnider> use google for that
[04:50] <RAOF> SebNaitsabes: The new features are pretty much what they always are; new versions of all the apps, bringing in upstream shininess.
[04:50] <murlidhar> can anybody explain me 'what is sd " ?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42591/
[04:50] <SebNaitsabes> I like getting Ubuntu early, but
[04:51] <murlidhar> line 3
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> not to early since things can screw up big time
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> is it still to early to get Ibex?
[04:51] <jessica> hey back
[04:51] <RAOF> SebNaitsabes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview is a more verbose listing of stuff ;
[04:51] <jessica> and to stay
[04:51] <jessica> 7 mins left for my download
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> do an upgrade from Hardy to Ibex that is
[04:52] <bsnider> that's subjective
[04:52] <RAOF> murlidhar: sd is likely to be your hard drive controller driver (and CDROM driver is likely to be sr).  You don't need to care about those messages; they're only there for kernel devs, really.
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> when I got gutsy really early
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> things were fine
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> did the updates no problems
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> or maybe there was something minior
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> ,but then did some update and things screwed up a lot.  untill newer packages
[04:53] <bsnider> you can try newer software on hardy without upgrading to intrepid
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> yeah and  ppa is the best way to do that or?
[04:53] <bsnider> there's getdeb.net and the ppa stuff that's out there
[04:53] <jessica> hehe
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> I know about getdeb
[04:53] <murlidhar> RAOF: can u tell me if i have correct drivers installed for my Nic  since i am not ablt to use my nic .
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> hehe @ what?
[04:53] <murlidhar> able*
[04:53] <murlidhar> You*
[04:54] <RAOF> murlidhar: Yes, you have the correct drivers for at least one of your NICs
[04:54] <jessica> hehe im comming from a rpm based distro
[04:54] <SebNaitsabes> so  for a fixed pulseaudio I need Ibex?
[04:54] <murlidhar> RAOF: got only one NIC
[04:54] <jessica> so it could b intresting
[04:55] <SebNaitsabes> RPM from my FC2 and FC4 days was not that different from the Deb installer thing we have for Ubuntu now
[04:55] <murlidhar> RAOF: the internet i am using right now is from my cellphone
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> RPM was like click and install
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> Debs can be like that now as well in Ubuntu
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> and that's been a while
[04:56] <jessica> lol
[04:56] <RAOF> murlidhar: It looks like your eth0 drivers are fine.
[04:56] <murlidhar> RAOF: could u get my NIC working since  i don't see eth0 in ifconfig
[04:57] <LSD|Ninja> murlidhar: what sort of NIC is it? All the common ones should have native drivers...
[04:58] <murlidhar> intex 8139D LSD|Ninja
[04:58] <murlidhar> wired one
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> murlidhar: Realtek should be supported just fine
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> you guys know that theme mockup
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> the one tha looks like Mac OS X
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> sort of
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> and well Ubuntu
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> is that really going to become the theme for Ibex or not?
[04:59] <jessica> yh
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> No idea but so long as it's not brown, I'll give it a chance
[04:59] <jessica> hehe
[05:00] <jessica> u like the brown theme ?
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> that theme is  better than the default  Ubuntu look grey
[05:00] <murlidhar> the output i got from lshw is this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42593/
[05:00] <Cycom> Personally, I like a mix of newhuman and ubuntu studio.
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> I read an artice or whatever that was like they should be copying gOS
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> since that looks nice
[05:00] <murlidhar> it says that my card is disabled .
[05:01] <jessica> ok my ubuntu is up in virtualbox
[05:01] <SebNaitsabes> Mac look for me or just the default.  or  uhmmmmmm  that default blueish  theme whaever that was heh
[05:01] <murlidhar> the module loaded is fealnx. i also tried loading 8139cp and 8139too .
[05:03] <jessica> its no diffrent
[05:04] <murlidhar> anyone?
[05:05] <bsnider> it says network is disabled, not that your card is
[05:06] <murlidhar> bsnider: and the solution is ?
[05:07] <bsnider> what does ifconfig say?
[05:07] <bsnider> is it eth0?
[05:07] <bsnider> if so, sudo ifup eth00000
[05:07] <bsnider> eth0 i mean
[05:08] <murlidhar> ifconfig doesn't show eth0 . it shows only lo and ppp0 ( My cellphone from which i am connected to )
[05:08] <bsnider> network-manager only allows one connection at a time
[05:09] <murlidhar> bsnider: i am using lxnm
[05:09] <bsnider> have you tried it without the cellphone in there?
[05:09] <murlidhar> bsnider: i tried disconnecting ppp0 and even then i don't see eth0
[05:09] <bsnider> well, disconnect it and then do sudo ifup eth0
[05:09] <murlidhar> or any other card for that matter except lc
[05:10] <murlidhar> or any other card for that matter except lo
[05:10] <murlidhar> bsnider: tried that earlier
[05:10] <bsnider> what happens?
[05:11] <murlidhar> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:11] <murlidhar> bsnider: brb
[05:12] <bsnider> i'd certainly start with a plain version of all of the configuration files
[05:12] <bsnider> if you're using mobile broadband who knows what the network config files look like now
[05:12] <bsnider> probably look like the treatment for kevin smith's superman script
[05:13] <murlidhar> bsnider: nope Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:13] <murlidhar> that's the only message i get . moreover i don't see the lan light on my router .
[05:14] <bsnider> when you set up your cell phone to act as an internet device, did you do anything crazy to get it working?
[05:15] <murlidhar> nope bsnider
[05:15] <murlidhar> bsnider: all i do is sudo wvdial .
[05:15] <bsnider> what exactly was the procedure?
[05:15] <murlidhar> just set up my wvdial.conf once . at /etc/wvdial.conf
[05:16] <murlidhar> that's it
[05:16] <bsnider> did your lan card work before that file was there?
[05:16] <murlidhar> nope tried that too .
[05:16] <bsnider> when was the last time the lan card worked?
[05:17] <murlidhar> it worked in gutsy .
[05:17] <bsnider> a year ago?
[05:17] <murlidhar> since then i was out of touch with the comp world .
[05:17] <bsnider> did you upgrade or doa  fresh install?
[05:17] <murlidhar> broadband to be exact.
[05:18] <bsnider> upgrade from gutsy or fresh install?
[05:18] <murlidhar> fresh install
[05:18] <bsnider> try this
[05:18] <bsnider> boot from the hardy live-cd
[05:18] <murlidhar> dual booting hardy and ibex now.
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work in hardy?
[05:19] <murlidhar> nope
[05:19] <murlidhar> ibex is base install
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work booting from the hardy livecd?
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work with another linux distro, like suse or fedora?
[05:20] <murlidhar> never tried it. i normally use alternate cd .
[05:20] <murlidhar> k i try from some other distro .
[05:20] <bsnider> every livecd should have the drivers and networking software necessary to get it working
[05:20] <murlidhar> will
[05:20] <murlidhar> *
[05:20] <bsnider> try it in different ones and see of it works there, and then if it does, report a bug
[05:21] <murlidhar> ok bsnider
[05:21] <murlidhar> thank bsnider
[05:21] <murlidhar> thanks bsnider
[05:21] <bsnider> no prob
[05:21] <bsnider> now i'm going to go watch clint kill a lot of people
[05:45] <MellowDude> how i get the alpha version of 8.10
[06:09] <murlidhar> how to burn an iso file in xcdburner
[06:10] <alexandro> hi"/connect irc.ubuntu.com"
[06:10] <alexandro> hi
[06:11] <alexandro> hello
[06:14] <murlidhar> how to burn an iso file in xcdroast
[06:15] <LSD|Ninja> lol, that's even still around?
[06:27] <alexandro> what up
[07:29] <suornam> hi i installed nvidia-glx-177 with Driver "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and when i type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart i get this error message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:30] <suornam> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[07:31] <suornam> locate nvidia.ko gives me /lib/modules/2.6.27-2-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/last-good-boot/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/177.70/2.6.27-2-generic/i686/module/nvidia.ko /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/177.70/build/nvidia.ko
[07:32] <suornam> if i type sudo modprobe nvidia i get FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[07:34] <suornam> i googled around for a few bugs because nvidia-glx-177 wouldn't install properly and it took me a while to even get that setup
[07:34] <suornam> if anyone can help me get hardware 3d acceleration back again i'd really appreciate it
[07:35] <suornam> for now i'm stuck with nv :(
[07:37] <DanaG> suornam: sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller stop && sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller start
[07:41] <suornam> DanaG: no luck it still fails. i'll check Xorg.0.log to find out why
[07:41] <suornam> same line comes up from Xorg.0.log
[07:41] <suornam> lsmod | grep nvidia comes up with nothing
[07:42] <DanaG> Hmm, did the build by dkms_autoinstaller work?
[07:42] <suornam> i think so, otherwise a .ko wouldn't appear right?
[07:50] <suornam> i just fully updated too. nothing in the update seemed to suggest a fix :(
[07:50] <suornam> just did a sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[07:50] <suornam> no errors or warnings from dpkg or otherwise
[07:53] <suornam> DanaG: do you mind if i spam the channel with ~10 lines?
[07:53] <suornam> it's the output from /var/log/Xorg.0.log (at least the relevant nvidia bit)
[07:54] <RAOF> Better to pastebin the whole thing.
[07:54] <suornam> hmm, okay, i'll stop being lazy
[07:56] <RAOF> No, keep being lazy.  Install pastebinit :)
[07:56] <RAOF> Then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[08:03] <suornam> http://pastebin.com/d2b10f8a9 -> Xorg.0.log
[08:03] <suornam> i think the bigger problem is that i can't get modprobe nvidia to work
[08:03] <suornam> rather, sudo modprobe nvidia to be consistent
[08:12] <suornam> oh you're joking
[08:13] <suornam> sudo depmod -ae and sudo modprobe nvidia got it to load the module
[08:13] <suornam> now to test if it works with accelerated graphics
[08:14] <suornam> :)
[08:15] <suornam> why isn't depmod -ae run by default on boot? i suppose i can add this to my /etc/rc.local, but that's a hack
[08:15] <RAOF> suornam: File A Bug(tm)? :)
[08:17] <suornam> perhaps. but i'm usually too shy and attribute it to some sort of mistake on my part
[08:19] <suornam> so in the future, when i upgrade my kernel (which i suspect will happen a lot until the release of intrepid) what do i have to do with the graphics driver?
[08:19] <suornam> i used to do everything from the nvidia installer before and depending on whether X didn't work, i'd reinstall the nvidia graphics driver
[08:19] <RAOF> You shouldn't _have_ to do anything; it should just work (or, alternatively, fail to build the kernel module against the new kernel, in which case you wait for a new patch ;))
[08:19] <suornam> today i decided to get rid of the installer and just use whatever the repositories give me
[08:19] <suornam> ah, that's lovely
[08:20] <suornam> thanks everyone. now back to doing real productive non-work again
[09:36] <aimaz> I tried upgrading a virtual machine from 8.04 to intrepid using update-manager -d and I now have a kernel panic
[09:37] <aimaz> I made a snapshot of the vm before the reboot, is this useful to developers?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> aimaz: i believe that was documented (the fact that it didn't work) in the release notes, for the past few tribes.
[09:46] <aimaz> yeah, I've spotted the bug in launchpad now
[09:46]  * Hobbsee grumbles at compiz, freezing when it locks her screen.
[09:47] <Hobbsee> and i actually discovered something bad, for when you press and hold the power button to power off a computer.  finally.
[09:48] <LSD|Ninja> o_O
[09:50] <Hobbsee> emma: btw, for u-restricted-extras, you'll find that each architecture has a different set of dependancies.  You're right on your guess that the different arches get different packages installed.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> (if you were interested)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> you'll also find that kubuntu, and xubuntu versions exist, as appropriate
[09:53] <vistakiller> aimaz what cpu you have?
[09:53] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Apparently unsetting "unredirect fullscreen windows" will unkill your screensaver.
[09:53] <vistakiller> try to enable VT-x/AMD-v
[09:53] <aimaz> vistakiller: model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250  @ 2.00GHz
[09:54] <aimaz> VT-x is enabled in the VM settings
[09:54] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, that's interesting.  how and where do i set that?
[09:54] <vistakiller> in generic pref
[09:54] <vistakiller> but try to enable ineach virtual machine settings
[09:54] <vistakiller> is two settings
[09:54] <vistakiller> one in generic and on in virtual machine
[09:54] <aimaz> ah yes, I only had the one
[09:54] <aimaz> trying again
[09:55] <vistakiller> right click in vm and settings
[09:57] <aimaz> I have the one in VirtualBox preferences and in the vm settings screens both enabled now and it still happens unfortunatly
[09:57] <vistakiller> i have done this and i can boot normal in ibex
[09:58] <vistakiller> right click>settings>general>advanced>Enable Vt-x/AMD-v?
[10:02] <aimaz> I've done that, do I need to set something in the host bios
[10:02] <vistakiller> there is a bug report here take a look
[10:02] <vistakiller> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[10:03] <aimaz> yeah, I'm reading the comments on there, but some people seem to want it disabled and others want it enabled
[10:03] <aimaz> very strange
[10:03] <Oli``> Loads of python-using apps don't work for me (Software Sources, Gwibber, compiz). All their crashes end in "SystemError in <module>()" - any ideas?
[10:09] <aimaz> Oli``: can you pastebin some more of the output from a couple?
[10:13] <RAOF> Hobbsee: In compizconfig settings manager, core options.
[10:14] <Oli``> aimaz: http://paste2.org/p/68949
[10:15] <aimaz> "SystemError: error return without exception set" usually happens when you run a program and it exits with an error I believe
[10:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF: will try that, thanks
[10:18] <marekt> hi, do you know why knetworkmanager doesnt connect to the wifi?
[10:18] <marekt> it did from live usb
[10:18] <marekt> and also during first login
[10:19] <aimaz> Oli``: what i mean is when the program runs a subprocess or perhaps uses a library
[10:20] <aimaz> so it's not neccesarily a problem with the python
[10:21] <Oli``> They're both locking up at gtk.gdk.threads_init() is that's a clue
[10:21] <Oli``> (I hadn't noticed that before)
[10:21] <Oli``> But if it's a subprocess, how would I trace that?
[10:23] <aimaz> well you can probably see the python code for that function
[10:24] <aimaz> python -c "import gtk;print gtk.__file__"
[10:24] <aimaz> that will tell you where the gtk module is
[10:28] <aimaz> the gdk module looks like a c module
[10:29] <Oli``> yeah that came back with /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.pyc and that's a mildly binary file
[10:38] <aimaz> pyc is the compiled form of the .py
[10:45] <afief> Is is just me or can mplayer and avidemux really not exist together on the same system?
[10:46] <afief> looks like each depends on a different lame library which will not cooperate
[10:55] <RAOF> afief: That's entirely possible; mplayer needs a rebuild against the new lame, I believe.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> dear eclipse, WTF are you on?  Please stop it.  kthxbye.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> crazy data collector - although i guess this isn't the ubuntu version
[11:00] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Trying to package 3.4, or just complaining about it in general? :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it wanted to submit data on how i was using the workbench.
[11:01] <RAOF> That's a little crazy.
[11:02] <RAOF> Argh.  Can you help me hit upstreams with a copyright stick?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought, too.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> grrr
[12:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that doens't fix it.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you'd have thought i'd learn to close konvi *before* that happened.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> anyone else not have a system beep?
[12:36] <Pici> gnomefreak: snd_pcsp was blacklisted due to some issues with vmware crashing and also a horrible horrible screetching noise upon bootup.  See bug 246969.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[12:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: that is constand noise but im looking for a missing audible system beep (like the one you hear when you are pinged on IRC
[12:40] <gnomefreak> constant
[12:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: I thought that used the pc speaker.
[12:43] <Myrtti> it does
[12:43] <gnomefreak> it may i just got done reading it, the first half is all about vmware freezing on login
[12:43] <Myrtti> I'm not running wmware and am not hearing any screetching noises - so I'll ignore that and enable the module
[12:43]  * Myrtti shrugs
[12:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Neither was I.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> how to enable a blacklisted module?
[12:44] <G_009> it does.. the issue i had with snd_pcsp was pulseaudio related, where all sound was being piped to pc speaker.. blacklisting said module was the solution
[12:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: see /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:44] <gnomefreak> just shy of rebuilding module-init-tools
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: Thats where I got the bug# from/
[12:45] <Myrtti> well... I'm not running pulse-audio on this machine, so I've got even less to worry
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: i see it at bottom
[12:47] <gnomefreak> be back soon
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Pici: worked like a charm thanks
[12:58] <Pici> gnomefreak: anytime
[13:06] <Dedi> LARTC - want to limit all upload from a specific ip to 20kb/s. anyone that knows it and want to save me alot of time to read into this topic? :D
[13:24] <G_009> tried to use dictionary and it's results are blank for any word
[13:32] <G_009> dictionary error: Error while looking up definition
[13:32] <G_009> Connection timeout for the dictionary server at 'dict.org:2628'
[13:35] <G_009> gvfsd crashed (again) right after login too
[14:11] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[15:02] <hdevalence> hello. When I run apt-get upgrade I get a message saying "The following packages have been kept back: <list>". How do I find why they are being kep tback and fix it?
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> they probably install new packages
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade packages that also install new packages
[15:03] <hdevalence> ah. thanks, I'll try that
[15:04] <hdevalence> learn something new every day :D
[15:05] <hdevalence> JontheEchidna: When I run that it installs new ones and ugrades most of them but there are still a bunch that are kept back. Should I rerun apt-get dist-upgrade after it finishes?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> you could try sudo apt-get install on the few that didnt' get upgraged
[15:06] <hdevalence> JontheEchidna: thanks
[15:08] <mluser-home> Anyone know if intrepid networkmanager's vpn plugins are broken?
[16:08] <cyphase> what's this new status icon in the user switcher?
[16:09] <cyphase> ah, controlling pidgin.. it doesn't seem to work though..
[16:21] <danbhfive> doesn't work, and I'm not sure I like it, since its also the shutdown menu.   I'd prefer to keep those separate, but I'm open..
[16:39] <Oli``> I'm having real problems getting links to open in firefox (my default browser) from some apps. Opening a link from within xchat for example likes to flitter between epiphany and opera
[16:41] <`Matir> Oli``, I had that same problem.  'sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' fixed it for me.
[16:42] <Oli``> Top sausage, `Matir! Thank you!
[16:43] <`Matir> no problem
[16:46] <DanielRM> cyphase: it controls Empathy, not Pidgin.
[16:47] <DanielRM> Has anyone been having segfaults with Python apps?
[16:48] <Oli``> DanielRM: not segfaults - but I've been having a few python apps that just won't load (they stumble when initing gtk)
[16:50] <quentusrex> What is the best internal PCI wireless card to use with Ubuntu? Something that can handle WEP, and WPA's ? The most stable and easy to configure?
[16:54] <void^> the "best" is a little difficult, i'm quite happy with my intel 3945
[16:57] <cyphase> DanielRM: the patch says pidgin, and it's certainly interacting with pidgin in some way
[16:57] <DanielRM> cyphase: it works very well with Empathy but I've seen nothing happen with Pidgin.
[16:58] <DanielRM> cyphase: still, if the patch mentions interaction with Pidgin then I'm not one to argue.
[16:58] <dominique> Is anyone else having problems with GNOME not starting up?
[16:59] <DanielRM> cyphase: I would guess that it's designed for Empathy, though; there's been much discussion over replacing Pidgin with it, and the icons for the states also match Empathy's.
[16:59] <DanielRM> dominique: in what way?
[17:00] <cyphase> DanielRM: if i set a status in pidgin, it won't change in fusa, but if i set fusa to that status, it will change fusa to show that status. also, from any status, if i set fusa to online, it will change pidgin
[17:00] <dominique> Well, I can log in, but then it gives the error "Your session lasted less than 10 seconds," and saves a logfile.  Should I paste my .xsessione-errors file somewhere so you can see it?
[17:01] <dominique> .xsession-errors, I mean
[17:08] <dominique> What's a good site to paste the content of .xsession-errors?  Since I don't want to spam by pasting it here.
[17:09] <void^> pastebin.ca
[17:10] <dominique> Okay, here's what the xsession-errors file looks like: http://pastebin.ca/1191608
[17:12] <void^> some Xgl issue probably (why use Xgl anyway?)
[17:14] <dominique> I'll try uninstalling it, then
[17:17] <hardy> Hi, I have Radeon 3450 card in my new laptop, and I guess I am using the radeon driver but lsmod doesn't display it, any explanation?
[17:17] <cyphase> DanielRM: btw.. http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/f/fast-user-switch-applet/fast-user-switch-applet_2.22.0+svn20080815-0ubuntu1/changelog
[18:04] <Cycom> are the mirrors slow today?
[18:10] <Oli``> Is the mouse not turning off the screensaver a known issue?
[18:13] <IdleOne> Oli``: I am having the same issues. have to hard reboot :/
[18:13] <IdleOne> very annoying
[18:14] <Matir`> Anyone else having frequent X lockups when X is idle?
[18:14] <Oli``> IdleOne: oh pressing an key on the keyboard fixes mine - so it's not *that* annoying.. I just wondered if I had broken something on my own or if it was a wider issue
[18:14] <Matir`> reboot issue?
[18:17] <x1250> wouldn't be best that the Add/Remove application didn't show at all packages that can't be removed? Its kind of silly that shows packages which only can be removed using the console or synaptic
[18:19] <_debg_> hi. any one got the wifi plasmoid working on kde 4.1 ? All I see after installing is just an empty box ..
[18:20] <Myrtti> whut, no moosplash on intrepid yet? I is disappointed :-þ
[18:26] <hardy> Cycom: it's you who gave me  some hints yesterday with ati?
[18:28] <hardy> There is something wrong here. My Radeon 3450 3D features are not supported under the free radeon driver yet, and I cannot use fglrx under my new xorg 7.4 because fglrx is not supported yet, but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes!!
[18:29] <electro> On an ASA, with filtering outbound traffic, if I try to initiate a connection over a blocked port, does the RST,ACK appear to be from the IP of the far end or the ASA itself?
[18:30] <Matir`> hardy, VESA now supports direct rendering, it's just not hardware accelerated
[18:32] <hardy> Matir`: what VESA means here? I am using radeon, no?
[18:33] <Matir`> hardy: VESA is the default fallback driver.  If you are using the radeon driver (and "renderer" in glxinfo shows that) and you have direct rendering, then you should have hardware acceleration
[18:33] <dominique> When I try to startx, it says "no screens found".  Here's the last part of the Xorg.0.log file: http://pastebin.ca/1191683
[18:34] <hardy> Matir`: glxinfo shows 'OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer', so this means I am using VESA not radeon?
[18:35] <Matir`> yep
[18:35] <Matir`> that's my understanding, anyway
[18:38] <dominique> Does anybody else have the "no screens found" problem?
[18:38] <crdlb> dominique: you cannot use fglrx at the moment
[18:39] <crdlb> if you card is reasonably old, switch to "ati" for the open source driver
[18:39] <crdlb> otherwise you'll need to use vesa
[18:39] <dominique> Ah, mmkay
[18:40] <dominique> How would I switch to the vesa driver?
[18:40] <crdlb> well, what model ATI card is it?
[18:42] <dominique> RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M?
[18:43] <crdlb> just use the open source driver then
[18:43] <crdlb> edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Driver "fglrx" to Driver "ati"
[18:43] <crdlb> and uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx if you want 3d acceleration to work
[18:43] <dominique> Kay, I'll try that
[18:46] <dominique> Thanks for the help ;D
[18:46] <dominique> If I'm not back, it probably worked.
[19:03] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[19:05] <dominique> I replaced fglrx with ati in xorg.conf, and now at least X starts up, but the mouse/cursor is completely unresponsive.
[19:06] <crdlb> dominique: pastebin your full Xorg.0.log
[19:10] <dominique> http://pastebin.ca/1191724
[19:13] <crdlb> dominique: is xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed?
[19:13] <crdlb> also, you'll need to reboot completely for 3d acceleration since fglrx module is apparently still loaded
[19:15] <dominique> Yep, it's installed.  And I've rebooted twice already, also trying the vesa drivers.
[19:15] <crdlb> oh, I just noticed lines 43 to 45
[19:15] <crdlb> those really should be at least (WW) ...
[19:16] <dominique> Hmm
[19:17] <dominique> Should I change the input device to Synaptics Touchpad?
[19:27] <dominique> And should I change the "glx" module to something else?
[19:49] <dominique> Be back a bit later.
[19:56] <x1250> Matir`, I have this line in glxinfo, does it mean I'm using hardware accel?
[19:56] <x1250> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[19:58] <Matir`> yep, if direct rendering is yes as well
[20:08] <Abed> can connect linux to a particual device
[20:16] <DrHalan1> hey
[20:16] <DrHalan1> i cant startup software-sources anymore. it directly crashes. synaptic works fine though
[20:16] <DrHalan1> did taht occur to someone already
[20:23] <bsnider> anyone having trouble with ubuntu-system-panel?
[20:24] <DrHalan1> bsnider:  no but with software sources..
[20:26] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: happens for me to.
[20:26] <DrHalan1> what does your apport say
[20:26] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: You filed a bug already?
[20:26] <DrHalan1> mine mentions nvidia glx
[20:27] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: Where? In non-free kernel modules? Thats ok.
[20:27] <DrHalan1> no didnt file it yet
[20:27] <DrHalan1> just occured
[20:28] <DrHalan1> updateing sources trough synaptic works fine
[20:28] <x1250> Matir`, yes, direct rendering is yes too, thanks
[20:28] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: see bug #263767
[20:31] <DrHalan1> Ampelbein: yeah thats it thanks
[20:33] <DrHalan1> was someone able to compile pidgin 2.5.1 alread
[20:34] <DrHalan1> it has some problems with the perl package
[20:34] <x1250>  no nautilus open terminal in repos? :(
[20:34] <DrHalan1> cause you cant nistall perl-2.8 on intrepid
[20:34] <DrHalan1> x1250: what do you mean?
[20:35] <x1250> DrHalan1, I can't find that nautilus extension on the repos
[20:36] <DrHalan1> ah okay
[20:42] <x1250> damn, I need my fglrx driver :(, radeon driver is not good enough for 3D.
[20:43] <DrHalan1> i need em too :P
[20:43] <DrHalan1> but you can jsut wait for amd to fix it
[20:43] <DrHalan1> do you guys know why i cant select zlib license on google code?
[20:45] <pwnguin> well, we dont run google code
[20:45] <DrHalan1> yeah i know
[20:45] <pwnguin> but i hear they want to stop license profileration, so they dont let you use it
[20:45] <DrHalan1> was just wondering if zlib isnt that popular as source license
[20:45] <pwnguin> i dont think you can use agpl either
[20:45] <pwnguin> is zlib even OSI?
[20:46] <DrHalan1> artistic gpl ? tahts possible
[20:46] <DrHalan1> yeah it is osi
[20:46] <lukehasnoname> There is/was a drama about how google was indirectly supressing the use of AGPL because it would force them to disclose any code they use in THEIR services.
[20:47] <lukehasnoname> Affero GPL
[20:47] <DrHalan1> oh im not so much used to license
[20:47] <DrHalan1> i just though i could make parts of my code opensouce
[20:47] <DrHalan1> and zlib is small and really liberal
[20:47] <lukehasnoname> BSD/MIT is 'liberal' too, let me go read zlib
[20:48] <DrHalan1> zlib allows everythhing but you must not claim that its your coded
[20:48] <DrHalan1> code*
[20:49] <lukehasnoname> that's basically BSD, but I must admit I like zlib's wording better. in any case, for your purposes, I would bet BSD would serve well.
[20:49] <DrHalan1> hm
[20:50] <DrHalan1> i dont think theyll kill me if i just set it to bsd
[20:50] <DrHalan1> is there any difference to "new BSD"?
[20:51] <lukehasnoname> no
[20:51] <lukehasnoname> use "new"
[21:12] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[21:36] <trontonic> Hi, dpkg --configure -a doesn't want to complete. I would be happy if I could reset it somehow - I know which package is causing problems. Any ideas?
[21:37] <trontonic> Setting up libc6 (2.8~20080505-0ubuntu6) ...
[21:37] <trontonic> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[21:37] <trontonic> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[21:37] <trontonic> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:37] <trontonic> dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[21:37] <trontonic> I have reported it as a bug, but I still need a workaround
[21:37] <Oli``> Well I'm in a bit of a bother. I forced python-gobject to an older version to see if it fixed a bug I'm having because somebody in the thread suggested that it worked. It hasn't made any difference and when I try to force it back to the current version or mark it for upgrade, it says it needs to remove almost every facet of ubuntu-desktop. How can I get it back to a current version?
[21:39] <bsnider> everybody probably has that problem right now
[21:39] <bsnider> which version of python-gobject do you have now?
[21:40] <Oli``> bsnider: 2.15.2-0ubuntu1
[21:41] <bsnider> yeah, that's what i've got too
[21:41] <Oli``> and latest is 2.15.3-0ubuntu2
[21:41] <bsnider> right
[21:41] <bsnider> i'm leaving it alone
[21:41] <Oli``> oh right - so I didn't actually force it anywhere, it's just knackered?
[21:42] <bsnider> i've got the same problem and i didn't force anything
[21:42] <IdleOne> Oli``: I have 15.2 installed and 15.3 as candidate but it is being held back
[21:42] <IdleOne> it is global issue it seems not just you
[21:42] <Oli``> Well that's a weight off my shoulders. I hate it when I break things unnecessarily =)
[21:43] <bsnider> probably something to do with dependencies or the numbering systme being fried on that package. it will be withdrawn and reissued
[21:46] <bsnider> that package says it depends on python greater than or equal to 2.4 BUT not as high as 2.6, which uh... whatever
[21:53] <siegie> Wil the language packages for kde4 be updated anywhere soon? kde-l10n-nl
[22:02] <x1250> no beagle in universe repo? I want to try it, since I dropped tracker.
[22:06] <RAOF> Yes, beagle's in Universe.
[22:07] <bsnider> beagle is in universe
[22:09] <x1250> bah, can't find it, I'll change my repos then
[22:10] <bsnider> your sources.llist must be a bit bleeped up
[22:18] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[22:26] <x1250> lol, my local chilean repository was missing 19.000 packages :S. Changed to germany and now I found beagle.
[22:32] <x1250> is software-properties-gtk buggy? I had to change the repos by hand in sources.list; it died saying: SystemError: error return without exception set
[23:00] <edgy> Hi, I cannot log to kubuntu any more after latest updates, is it only me? how can I debug this?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> what happens when you try?
[23:09] <edgy> JontheEchidna: I just found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/258861 I would try his trick to remove that file, may be it works
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> so you can log in, but you get a grey screen?
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> well, white
[23:13] <edgy> JontheEchidna: yes
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> then plasma is crashing on startup and yes, that trick probably would work
[23:18] <x1250> try rm -rf your ~/.kde4, but you'll lose any custom config you had before. It worked for me a lot when I was using kde4 alpha 3..96 on debian
[23:18] <x1250> 3.96*
[23:19] <x1250> or better rename it :P
[23:20] <DanaG> YEah.  rm is bad advice; mv is better.
[23:25] <s000501> Some tips if I could safely use rsync version 3 in Ubuntu 8.04 through backporting from Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex?
[23:25] <x1250> anyone having this horrible dependency problem today? http://paste.ubuntu.com/42849/
[23:34] <DanaG> Ooh... 105 updates.
[23:34] <DanaG>  Yay:  "      - No more overlapping desktop icons, when files are added or volumes mounted while Nautilus is not running. This is implemented with metadata timestamps when the desktop icons are laid out."
[23:41] <x1250> my deadly upgrade says:   python-gobject: Breaks: python-gtk2 (< 2.13) but 2.12.1-6ubuntu1 is installed.
[23:54] <DrHalan1> DanaG:  yeah sounds cool