[14:20] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[14:21] <Myrtti> afternoon
[18:01] <bkerensa> AlanBell: you going to be at todays training
[18:03] <Fuchs> when is that training, and is it mainly for #ubuntu ops, or general?
[18:03] <Fuchs> (general: #ubuntu-* as well)
[18:03] <Myrtti> general
[18:03] <Myrtti> and in two hours
[18:03] <Myrtti> @now UTC
[18:04] <Fuchs> Myrtti: then I could point it out to our guys if they are interested, or is that too late? (regarding rights and such)
[18:04] <Sidewinder1> 1:56 to be almost exact.
[18:04] <Myrtti> no it's not too late
[18:04] <Myrtti> feel free to do so
[18:04] <Myrtti> I'm fully expecting some late awakers to come asking for flags when the class is running
[18:05] <Fuchs> Myrtti: channel?
[18:05] <Myrtti> I just want to minimise it as much as possible
[18:05] <Sidewinder1> And they all need to email/poke myrtti w/their nicks. ;-)
[18:05] <Myrtti> Fuchs: behind a passkey for now, but it will be mentioned during the session several times
[18:05] <Fuchs> Myrtti: ah, so people should show up here?
[18:05] <Myrtti> Fuchs: the actual class is in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:05] <Fuchs> right
[18:06] <Fuchs> I'll tell that to our ops channel
[18:08] <Fuchs> Myrtti: one of us asked whether this will be logged, since he is interested, but has to go to sports training
[18:08] <Fuchs> Myrtti: and another one is intersted, but read only
[18:08] <Myrtti> yes, it will be
[18:09] <Myrtti> freenode staff and ubuntu members are already on the access list btw
[18:09] <Fuchs> he is neither
[18:10] <Fuchs> we don't have many ubuntu members, unfortunately (I think most people would get it if they just asked)
[18:10] <Myrtti> leto already pokoed me
[18:10] <Myrtti> poked.
[18:10]  * Myrtti facepalms
[18:10] <Myrtti> anyway
[18:10] <Myrtti> just so you know.
[18:10] <Fuchs> Myrtti: okay, maybe jokrebel will as well
[18:10]  * Sidewinder1 Hands an ice-pack to Myrtti


[00:02] <JontheEchidna> once commercial app support is coded, yes
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> I've not gotten around to getting Ubuntu SSO Qt working, tho
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> Ubuntu SSO-Qt would also allow me to support review submittal
[00:07] <apachelogger> wohoo
[00:08] <apachelogger> so I guess the question is: will that land for 11.10?
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> no, I just released 1.2.0 a few weeks ago
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> it's all kinds past feature freeze for both Muon and Kubuntu
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I have high hopes fore 1.3, though :)
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> 1.3 will also come with a superior update interface, usability-wise: http://i.imgur.com/Qblj4.png
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is there any way that Phonon could pass us a nicer-looking name? http://i.imgur.com/ObQIg.png
[00:23] <claydoh> ScottK: it is beta 1
[01:03] <claydoh> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu for starters
[01:04] <claydoh> now to go play with kubuntuforums new server
[01:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ Please fill in details and make it sound wonderful
[01:40] <ScottK> claydoh: Thanks.
[01:40] <ScottK> I'll try to review tomorrow.
[01:41] <claydoh> suggestions welcome, though will be @ work until late tomorrow evening
[01:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can you work on ^^^^
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> sure
[01:44] <ScottK> Looks like we'll get to retest all the images too.
[01:44] <ScottK> (not for awhile though)
[01:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: you said this was deferred? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-no-alternate
[02:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.  The pre-requisite spec didn't get done.
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> k, I'll mark the items postponed
[02:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:47] <txwikinger> ScottK: maybe tomorrow
[03:02] <c2tarun> hi everyone :)
[03:03] <c2tarun> Long ago I heard that daniel holbach is planning to write new articles related to packaging. Can anyone please give me any update to that article?
[03:19] <charlie-tca> I can't find them. Some of them were posted to the Ubuntu Planet blog thing
[03:20] <charlie-tca> well, now I know I am too tired. He left!
[04:20] <valorie> c2tarun: you've been missed here
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, you going to be around on sunday?
[04:22] <valorie> yes
[04:23] <valorie> hopefully on time -- I'm going to come home early from the cabin for it
[04:23] <valorie> labor day weekend is a tough one for global jam!
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> valorie, Oh I agree.
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> And I'm doing two
[04:54] <valorie> I would have liked to go down for the Portland OR one on Sat.
[04:54] <valorie> but that would leave our cabin without wood this winter
[05:28] <c2tarun> valorie, hi :) I was busy in my job training :( it finished yesterday :) today I am back to ubuntu ;)
[05:35] <valorie> cool!
[05:36] <valorie> without riddle this cycle, we've been shorthanded
[05:37] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all is the most urgent, I believe
[05:42] <c2tarun> valorie, what happened to riddle?
[05:46] <valorie> he's doing this cycle elsewhere in Ubuntu
[05:47] <valorie> in bzr, I think
[05:47] <valorie> so he'll be back, but not yet
[06:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I do believe that you'll need to run a check on the window title yourself
[06:59] <apachelogger> of course it is good that your app is also Qt
[06:59] <apachelogger> because that way it can also not use the application's kappdata or something :P
[07:00] <apachelogger> somehow oneiric seems like a boring release
[07:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:06] <shadeslayer> anyone seen jr?
[07:08] <shadeslayer> hahah
[07:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upload qtwebkit already
[07:14] <apachelogger> just when I was bout to leave -.-
[07:17] <apachelogger> wow
[07:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you try it?
[07:17] <apachelogger> it actually feels loads faster :O
[07:18] <apachelogger> kaboom
[07:18] <apachelogger> crash in flashplayer ^^
[07:18] <apachelogger> lovely
[07:19]  * apachelogger rips that piece a cool out
[07:20] <apachelogger> ah
[07:20] <apachelogger> rekonq's tab bar is still epic shite
[07:20] <apachelogger> anyhow
[07:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems loads more reliable
[07:21] <apachelogger> of course  if you had put it in some unpolluted ppa we could call for more testing ^^
[07:21] <shadeslayer> heh
[07:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can move it to our staging ppa
[07:21] <shadeslayer> let me know if you want to move it
[07:22] <apachelogger> stating is polluted by the very definition of staging ^^
[07:22] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Hu5HQ.png
[07:22] <apachelogger> weeeh
[07:23] <apachelogger> so this snapshit is actually 10 points better than the one on harmattan ^^
[07:23] <apachelogger> video aint not supporting subtitles though
[07:23] <apachelogger> that is curious
[07:23] <apachelogger> and audio aint supporting webm :O
[07:24] <apachelogger> :O
[07:24] <apachelogger> no geolocation
[07:24] <apachelogger> that seems wrong
[07:24] <apachelogger> I thought that bugger had geo through qtmobility
[07:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you care to look into the build log and see if there might have been something missing
[07:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will do, registering for something important right now
[07:25] <apachelogger> acid3 is at 100/100
[07:26] <shadeslayer> it always is
[07:26] <apachelogger> yeah, until there is a regression and it is not anymore :P
[07:28] <apachelogger> brrr
[07:28] <apachelogger> with sunspider you really get to feel the unthreadness of things
[07:28] <apachelogger> rekonq is busy using an entire core while the others are being silly
[07:30] <bulldog98> apachelogger: feel free to add threading to rekonq for the next release
[07:30] <bulldog98> :P
[07:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:31] <bulldog98> btw where is qtwebkit located atm?
[07:31] <apachelogger> like I dont have other problems than a browser which must hope and pray to ever reach beyond a million users
[07:31] <apachelogger> bulldog98: gitorious
[07:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you could teach me to do that stuff
[07:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I meant the package
[07:32] <apachelogger> if someone wants to run sunspider on the new qtwebkit -> http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B29,30,14,28,11,12,29,28,12,30%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B25,10,12,24,10,10,24,21,10,24%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B11,28,27,11,27,11,28,28,11,11%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B4,3,4,7,3,3,8,6,4,4%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B17,16,17,16,40,16,17,41,41,17%5D,%22access-
[07:32] <apachelogger> nbody%22:%5B21,8,9,9,22,21,14,21,22,22%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B9,12,12,5,5,12,5,6,6,5%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B5,6,4,2,2,6,6,4,6,3%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B18,9,17,16,6,18,7,8,18,7%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B9,3,4,9,3,4,4,3,10,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B17,7,17,6,17,8,17,8,7,17%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B3,3,7,3,3,2,6,3,4,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B22,9,25,22,9,10,22,11,23,22%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B11,3,
[07:32] <apachelogger> 4,9,4,9,4,4,7,4%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B6,3,4,7,3,3,3,3,7,7%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B18,39,39,17,18,15,16,39,37,17%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B13,13,32,32,16,21,14,31,14,14%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B7,7,18,8,18,18,7,32,7,8%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B14,20,15,36,14,17,38,36,14,49%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B13,10,10,12,5,5,5,12,6,5%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B13,33,13,33,33,13,34,13,13,14%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B8,9,18,19,19,8,8,9,8
[07:32] <apachelogger> ,9%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B26,26,10,26,11,24,27,26,26,32%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B43,42,18,42,18,19,43,42,18,44%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B28,29,70,75,36,69,72,70,32,70%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B15,13,29,33,13,28,34,33,29,34%5D%7D <- my test
[07:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[07:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: the package of what?
[07:32] <bulldog98> qtwebkit
[07:32] <apachelogger> qtwebkit package is the done, just needs testing
[07:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: where can I test it?
[07:32] <apachelogger> besidse, your connection is too slow for qtwebkit
[07:32] <apachelogger> the repo is like 5000 GiB
[07:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: rohangarg/experimental
[07:33] <apachelogger> bulldog98: though it might be good to first run tests on the old webkit
[07:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: next time im in university or berlin, I’ll download it :P
[07:33] <apachelogger> just for good measure, stability seems much improved already
[07:33] <apachelogger> bulldog98: so do html5test.com, acid3 test, sunspider, dromaeo and sputnik and write down the results
[07:33] <apachelogger> or snap them
[07:34] <bulldog98> apachelogger: post me a list of test and I’ll run them
[07:34] <apachelogger> actually
[07:34] <apachelogger> snapping might be tter
[07:34] <apachelogger> we can advertise this as feature ^^
[07:35]  * apachelogger starts a dromaeo test run and leaves to poke jussi with a muon stick
[07:35] <bulldog98> apachelogger: html5test: 293
[07:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: all tests for dromaeo?
[07:37] <jussi> apachelogger: leacve already! we are waiting for you!!
[07:38] <bulldog98> apachelogger: acid3 is throws an error for me
[07:39] <bulldog98> ok forget that
[07:40] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:41] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yeah first i had "you shouldn’t see this" on the screen
[07:41] <shadeslayer> hah
[07:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm in OS X right now because i forgot my wifi dongle
[07:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: sunspider: 456.8ms +/- 2.6%
[07:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: not acceptable excuse for using macosx...
[07:53] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ah ah ah you can’t do stuff like that. You need to purge that partition right now :P
[07:56] <apachelogger> bulldog98: compare it to the url I posted above
[07:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: dam already closed the tab
[07:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok found my url again
[08:01] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9.1/sunspider-0.9.1/results.html?%7B%22v%22:%20%22sunspider-0.9.1%22,%20%223d-cube%22:%5B22,18,21,20,17,18,18,18,18,20%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B19,16,19,18,16,17,17,17,16,21%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B19,20,27,26,18,19,18,19,23,27%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B7,8,7,9,5,7,6,5,10,11%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B21,24,17,25,17,23,24,16,22,19%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B22,23,18,23,15,18,22,22,
[08:01] <bulldog98> 22,15%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B11,11,10,11,12,11,9,9,12,9%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,4,3,3,4,5%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B11,8,11,8,11,10,10,7,9,8%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B8,6,8,5,8,6,7,5,6,5%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B11,11,11,10,11,8,10,7,11,9%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B4,5,4,3,4,3,4,3,3,4%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B20,19,19,18,18,12,17,15,16,15%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B7,5,4,5,6,5,5,5,6,5%5D,
[08:01] <bulldog98> %22crypto-sha1%22:%5B5,4,4,4,4,5,4,5,5,4%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B26,28,25,27,29,27,23,33,26,27%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B21,23,21,23,20,21,24,29,25,22%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B15,14,13,19,13,12,13,16,12,12%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B19,23,20,19,21,21,21,21,21,19%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B11,12,14,11,9,9,10,9,9,10%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B22,24,18,24,21,20,17,17,19,17%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B22,21,20,15,24,24,21,16,17,
[08:01] <bulldog98> 16%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B17,23,20,23,19,22,16,18,20,26%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B40,28,38,39,40,28,31,29,40,29%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B61,64,60,70,61,59,63,54,53,62%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B28,25,29,30,36,36,34,32,27,27%5D%7D
[08:02] <bulldog98> but it could be, that my pc isn’t as fast as yours
[08:02] <jussi> is.gd?
[08:02] <jussi> ;)
[08:02] <apachelogger> bulldog98: possible
[08:04] <apachelogger> bulldog98: well, particularly you are running a different version of qtwebkit ^^
[08:04] <apachelogger> well, it is only 16 ms difference in total
[08:04] <apachelogger> so that seems close enough
[08:16] <jussi> bug 838640
[08:19] <apachelogger> closed
[08:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://dromaeo.com/?id=148717
[08:28] <bulldog98> I’ll be back in an hour or two
[08:56] <apachelogger> jussi always knocks on my phone
[08:56] <jussi> knock on wood :P
[08:56] <apachelogger> here is a thought: a phone made almost entire out of some expensive kind of wood
[09:07] <valorie> I'm sure there is such a beast
[09:07] <valorie> for billionaires
[10:15] <bulldog98> apachelogger: 129 fails in sputnik
[10:25] <afiestas> eh, forgot this one when I switched to quassel xD
[10:26] <afiestas> have you updated the package to 1.2-rc2?
[10:30] <debfx> afiestas: no, we still have 1.1.1
[10:32] <afiestas> I plan to publish the final version this weekend, if that's good for kubuntu scheduling you can wait :p
[10:42] <debfx> afiestas: we are already a few weeks past feature freeze, why should we upgrade anyway? :)
[10:43] <afiestas> I said weeks ago to update to rc1 :/
[10:43]  * debfx wasn't aware of that :(
[10:43] <afiestas> well because it conains a bunch of improvements that you can see in the changelog (either in my blog or in the tag commit)
[10:43] <afiestas> and I don't know if I will be able to maintain 1.1 for 6 months
[10:44] <afiestas> at least i18n will be freezed at some point to make room for 2.0
[10:46] <debfx> what'S DUN and PANU?
[10:47] <afiestas> two profiles that allow you to use bluetooth devices such cellp hones as modems
[10:58] <Quintasan_> Greetings
[10:58] <Quintasan_> rbelem: ping
[10:58] <ScottK> All the ISOs got respun last night so testing needed ...
[10:58] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[10:59] <bulldog98> Quintasan: check identi.ca
[11:00] <Quintasan> bulldog98: ....
[11:00] <bulldog98> Quintasan: hey if we meet one day, we can speak German :P
[11:01] <Quintasan> bulldog98: In your dreams sir.
[11:01] <bulldog98> Quintasan: you can’t be that bad
[11:01] <Quintasan> or wait
[11:02] <Quintasan> Ja, ja. Volkswagen
[11:03] <Quintasan> これはシュタインズゲートの選択！
[11:03] <Quintasan> bulldog98: well, I can do basic stuff but nothing much
[11:03] <Quintasan> and that's after 6 years of learning :/
[11:03] <Quintasan> In comparsion I believe my English is high tier
[11:04] <bulldog98> Quintasan: hm I was bad in English, befor 11th class, but I made it and finally did my oral exam in English :)
[11:04] <Quintasan> I did CAE exam and now I'm preparing for CPE exam, should allow me to study in UK
[11:04] <debfx> Quintasan: you had to learn German for 6 years? that must be hell ;)
[11:05] <Quintasan> debfx: TBH at first I thought one had to eat gravel since birth to get that umlauts right
[11:05] <Quintasan> those*
[11:05] <bulldog98> debfx: hey I needed only 2.5 year to talk in an apropriate way
[11:06] <Quintasan> But it wasn't that hard, compared to all those damn grammar rules
[11:06] <bulldog98> Quintasan: yeah they suck
[11:06] <bulldog98> and they changed them twice while I was at school (nobody knows what’s right now)
[11:09] <Quintasan> persia: ping
[11:10] <debfx> Quintasan: I hope you know all the comma rules :D
[11:10] <Quintasan> debfx: comma?
[11:10] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ,
[11:10] <Quintasan> I don't think they taught us that yet
[11:11]  * bulldog98 doesn’t get these right
[11:11] <Quintasan> They usually melt our brains with the past tense
[11:11] <bulldog98> Quintasan: also nice is das and dass
[11:11] <Quintasan> Well, Perfekt is not really hard but others are...DERP
[11:11] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ist, sein, waren gewesen
[11:12] <Quintasan> Ich habe viel Computerspiel gespielt
[11:12] <Quintasan> That was right?
[11:12]  * Quintasan hardly ever does his homework
[11:12] <Quintasan> With exception of maths and physics
[11:12] <bulldog98> Quintasan: if you add an . at the end it’s right
[11:12] <bulldog98> Quintasan: me too
[11:13] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Well, in English you add dots to end a sentence too but people usually ommit this on IRC.
[11:13]  * Quintasan thinks only ScottK and Riddell pay much attention to that
[11:13] <bulldog98> Quintasan: yeah thats right.
[11:14] <debfx> Quintasan: that's why Germans only use perfect and present tense ;)
[11:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: wanting to do university in the UK?
[11:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Probably.
[11:16] <Riddell> I recommend Scotland (price £0) rather than England or Wales (price £9000/year)
[11:17] <Quintasan> Like, price for studies?
[11:18] <Riddell> yes
[11:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: @_@
[11:19] <Quintasan> I don't even know what to say
[11:19] <Riddell> "jings and crivvens" would be appropriate
[11:21] <Quintasan> I have no idea what those me
[11:21] <Quintasan> mean*
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: see my email please :)
[11:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you mean cite me as a reference?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[11:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes that's fine
[11:32] <Riddell> jriddell.org/contact.html
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep, got that, what do i put in Job Designation?
[11:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: as in my job or your job?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: your job :P
[11:33] <Riddell> anything you like I guess
[11:34] <Riddell> I don't have a special title, but feel free to make one up if it helps
[11:34] <shadeslayer> well .. as of now its "Kubuntu Lead Dev"
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks a ton! :)
[11:36] <bulldog98> what do I wrong with launchpad lib? http://paste.ubuntu.com/679636/
[11:36] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I mess around with python launchpad lib can you give me a hint?
[11:38] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can also ask in #launchpad
[11:38] <bulldog98> Riddell: that’s an good idea
[11:39]  * bulldog98 want’s to get the launchpad names under lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/
[11:49] <rbelem> Quintasan, pong
[12:04] <apachelogger> bulldog98: see pyth0rn scripts in kubuntu-dev-tools
[12:04] <bulldog98> apachelogger: had a bug in the launchpad libs and found the workaround of debfx
[12:24] <apachelogger> bulldog98: on sputnik I also get 129 failures
[12:24] <apachelogger> so no regression there
[12:24] <bulldog98> fine
[12:25] <apachelogger> debfx, shadeslayer: seems the new snapshot does not have any particular regressions in css/javascript/html5 and I did not see any of the weird qtwebkit crashes yet
[12:25] <apachelogger> so we should be good to move it into oneiric after freeze
[12:26] <shadeslayer> w00t
[12:26]  * shadeslayer is busy like shit right noq
[12:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they're making us submit forms made with javah
[12:26] <shadeslayer> :'(
[12:28] <apachelogger> it is jahava
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please get a commit log between our last snapshot and your new one
[12:28] <apachelogger> we might need a FFe
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a changelog file in there
[12:29] <apachelogger> we dont have a release in oneiric so changelog is a bogus thing to go by
[12:29] <shadeslayer> uh whut
[12:29] <apachelogger> exactly
[12:30] <apachelogger> as the changelog might have been changed in any way I do not consider it a viable resource for changes between two snapshots
[12:30] <shadeslayer> alright
[12:30] <apachelogger> particularly not if people forget to add changes and only add them like the week before release
[12:30] <apachelogger> which happens way too often really ^^
[12:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm like super tensed right now, will fix this up on saturday
[12:31] <apachelogger> gosh, isn't freeze long over by sat? :P
[12:31] <apachelogger> :S
[12:31] <apachelogger> :(
[12:31] <apachelogger> halp I need some body, halp
[12:32]  * apachelogger needs a cig and then flip a coin on whether to work for the big N or not
[12:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could you have a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta1/Kubuntu and make it more magical please.
[12:37] <ScottK> ryanakca: Could we have a Beta 1 announcement for kubuntu.org later today?
[12:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: in an hour, need to sort out job stuff
[12:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.  Thanks.
[12:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you do some install testing with your Mac?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: not until day after tomorrow
[12:42] <ScottK> OK.  A bit late by then.
[12:51]  * bulldog98 nearly has the zsh stuff finished for a first review
[12:54]  * bulldog98 needs someone with regex experience to convert ruby Rexex (.*)-(.+)(\\.tar\\.((gz)|(bz2)|(xz)|(lzma))) to a sed one
[12:54] <bulldog98> +escaping
[13:06] <tsimpson> bulldog98: if you just replace \\ with \, sed -r would probably like it
[13:07] <bulldog98> hm
[13:12] <Mamarok> hm, I want to encrypt an external USB disk, but apparently there is no workaround the kernel module sha256 is not found
[13:13] <Mamarok> I try to follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[13:13] <Mamarok> using Oneiric
[13:16] <tsimpson> bulldog98: or '\(.*\)-\(..*\)\(\.tar\.\(gz\|bz2\|xz\|lzma\)\)' for plain sed    (yes, sed is evil)
[13:17] <bulldog98> tsimpson: it’s for usage of a zsh complition running _files -g 'REGEX'
[13:18] <tsimpson> sed is a pita, it wants you to escape everything to make it count
[13:23] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I am reasonable certain that luks what that thing is can do that
[13:24] <apachelogger> the usb pen drive my private keys are on is certainly encrypted using that thing
[13:24] <apachelogger> incidentially enough kde will even give you a gui to enter the pw for decryption and everything
[13:24] <apachelogger> very nice (if it still works ^^)
[13:26]  * bulldog98 has now added some zsh support to kubuntu-dev-tools: lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[13:27] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, I always get the same error, sha256 module not found
[13:27] <Mamarok> so something is missing, I just don't know what package
[13:28] <apachelogger> !find sha256.ko oneiric
[13:28] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[13:28] <bulldog98> !find sha256.ko natty
[13:28] <apachelogger> ah
[13:28] <apachelogger> !find sha256_generic.ko oneiric
[13:28] <apachelogger> Mamarok: ^
[13:29] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks :)
[13:30] <apachelogger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage#Filesystem_Encryption
[13:30] <apachelogger> also see the alias stuff there
[13:30] <apachelogger> in case it still should nto work
[13:31] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yes, that's the howto I use and I tried that earlier, but it didn't work, so they should actually indicate to install user-mode-linux as well
[13:32] <apachelogger> well, probably not updated for oneiric yet
[13:33] <Mamarok> gah: semid 884737: semop failed for cookie 0xd4d4e81: incorrect semaphore state
[13:33] <Mamarok> Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value 223170177 (0xd4d4e81) to initialize waiting for incoming notifications.
[13:35] <apachelogger> did you manage to modprobe?
[13:35] <apachelogger> because I am not
[13:35] <ScottK> Mamarok: Do you have kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings installed?  Lack of those can cause the Konqueror issue you were having yesterday.
[13:35] <apachelogger> and it seems uml is at 2.6.35
[13:35] <Mamarok> ScottK: yes
[13:35] <ScottK> OK.
[13:35] <Mamarok> apachelogger: so no encryption for me with that kernel?
[13:35] <Mamarok> that sucks
[13:36] <apachelogger> I suppose you could just use a different hash than sha256
[13:36] <apachelogger> Mamarok: does the aes modprobe work?
[13:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yes
[13:36] <Mamarok> and I indicated the sha256_generic
[13:37] <Mamarok> in the aliases file
[13:37] <apachelogger> ok, that is the important bit IMHO, aes is the actual encryption algorithm
[13:39] <apachelogger> oh
[13:39] <apachelogger> Mamarok: seems 256 was dropped in favor of 512
[13:40] <apachelogger> sudo modprobe sha512
[13:40] <apachelogger> sudo cryptsetup --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdc1 -c aes -s 512 -h sha512
[13:40] <Mamarok> right, so let's try that
[13:40] <apachelogger> same thing as the other, but 512 bit rather than 256
[13:40] <bulldog98> yofel_, shadeslayer: have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk yet?
[13:40] <apachelogger> which of course makes you think it is more secure, so it is good ^^
[13:41] <ScottK> But does it go to 11?
[13:41] <dacresni> is there work to get kubuntu to boot from efi?
[13:41] <dacresni> instead of from a bios emulation ?
[13:42] <dacresni> im using reffit on a mac
[13:42]  * apachelogger does not feel like enabling people to support software patent supporting companies today
[13:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: We are enabling them to experience freedom.
[13:43] <ScottK> dacresni: Yes.  If you look at the amd64+mac images I think that's what they are for.
[13:44] <apachelogger> freedom endangered by software patents
[13:44] <dacresni> ok will those be available for oneric ?
[13:44] <Mamarok> apachelogger: now I get this: http://paste.kde.org/117043
[13:44] <apachelogger> seem hypocritical to me
[13:44] <ScottK> dacresni: Yes.
[13:45] <dacresni> but not the alpha. ( I looked for it)  ? what about the beta?
[13:46] <ScottK> dacresni: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64+mac.iso will probably be the Beta 1 image (we are still testing)
[13:46] <apachelogger> Mamarok: what does `dmesg|grep -i aes` spit out?
[13:46] <ScottK> dacresni: Feel free to test (make sure to back up your data) and report any results at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6461
[13:46] <dacresni> OH, is that why its not with the other alphas or on the announcement page?
[13:47] <ScottK> It's on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:47] <ScottK> We didn't release Beta 1 yet.
[13:47] <dacresni> HA! thanks, do i put in my launchpad ID
[13:47] <ScottK> No, it's a separate login.
[13:47] <dacresni> i meant in the future aboout hte beta, but i guess you will
[13:47] <dacresni> hmm
[13:48] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/register
[13:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: [90351.170001] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected.
[13:48] <Mamarok> [92302.538682] padlock_aes: VIA PadLock not detected.
[13:48] <apachelogger> eek
[13:49] <dacresni> Mamarok: I haven't been here for the whole comversation but cant you check these capablilities in cpuinfo?
[13:49] <Mamarok> dacresni: how would I do that?
[13:49] <dacresni> ScottK happy to contribute to the cause
[13:49] <dacresni> Mamarok: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:50] <ScottK> dacresni: Great.  We particularly need Mac testers since it takes specific hardware.
[13:51] <dacresni> i normallly  dont less or more the proc files because they tend not to space well
[13:51] <dacresni> if you want to scroll through (because you have 12 cores or something) use 'cat /proc/cpuinfo | less
[13:52] <dacresni> '
[13:52] <Mamarok> dacresni: well, what exactly should I be looking for? http://paste.kde.org/117061/ is the output
[13:54] <apachelogger> Mamarok: cat /proc/crypto |grep sha
[13:56] <Mamarok> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/117073/
[13:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, what am I supposed to do with the wiki page?
[13:56] <apachelogger> it being a wiki page makes it ugly by definition
[13:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Add more stuff about the wonderfulness of this release.
[13:57] <apachelogger> well, we dont have the new qtwebkit that makes rekonq faster than the n9 browser :P
[13:57] <apachelogger> uha
[13:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: seems sha256 is built into something
[13:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: just runt the command form the wiki as is
[13:57] <apachelogger> it should simply work(tm)
[14:00] <Mamarok> nope
[14:00] <apachelogger> what is the output?
[14:00] <Mamarok> doesn't
[14:00] <Mamarok> same as before, incorrect semaphore state
[14:01] <apachelogger> that is very weird
[14:01] <apachelogger> try a reboot
[14:01] <apachelogger> Mamarok: also make sure you are up-to-date
[14:01] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/dbt49.png
[14:02] <Mamarok> OK, will try rebooting
[14:02] <apachelogger> claydoh, ScottK: just so you know the todo document is not used for months :P
[14:03] <ScottK> I think most of those months got consumed by package 4.7.
[14:03] <apachelogger> don't blame it on 4.7 alone, somehow this cycle was highly unorganized IMHO
[14:06] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I was certainly up-to-date as I did an upgrade - reboot right before
[14:06] <apachelogger> Mamarok: kk, once reported gimme the output of proc/crypto again
[14:06] <apachelogger> just to check
[14:06] <apachelogger> then modprobe aes and dm-crypt
[14:07] <Mamarok> OK, let me try again
[14:07]  * apachelogger has loads of modules loaded no normal person would have ^^
[14:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: we did not land mobile, did we?
[14:07] <ScottK> No.  We did not.
[14:07] <apachelogger> too bad
[14:09] <Mamarok> apachelogger: looks much better now: http://paste.kde.org/117079/
[14:11] <Mamarok> but I still can't load sha256, sha512 loads, then comes the incorrect semaphore state message again
[14:11] <apachelogger> load?
[14:11] <apachelogger> you do not need to load anything
[14:12] <apachelogger> just run the cryptsetup command
[14:12] <Mamarok> I tried
[14:12] <apachelogger> can you please paste the entire output of that bugger?
[14:12] <apachelogger> with command if at all possible
[14:12]  * apachelogger hands debfx https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033282.html
[14:13] <Mamarok> thats for sha256: http://paste.kde.org/117091
[14:14] <apachelogger> sounds very kernel buggish
[14:14] <Mamarok> and this is for sha512: http://paste.kde.org/117097/
[14:14] <apachelogger> can anyone else try luksing a usb drive?
[14:14] <apachelogger> rebooting is a rather long process for me due to broken fglrx/X stuff
[14:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the drive I try to encyrpt is a 1 Tb USB 3.0 HD
[14:14] <apachelogger> might be related
[14:15] <apachelogger> Mamarok: try reducing the partition size
[14:15] <Mamarok> OK
[14:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: amarok 2.4.3 is new in beta, no?
[14:18] <apachelogger> maco: kaccessible is installed by default now?
[14:19] <Mamarok> apachelogger: same problem with a 256 GB partition
[14:19] <apachelogger> try 8
[14:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/73672
[14:19] <cyphermox> ScottK: re bug 838099, got a fix ready for it, just testing to make sure
[14:20] <apachelogger> kwin-gles is in, no?
[14:20] <apachelogger> bulldog98: busy
[14:20] <bulldog98> yofel_, Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+merge/73672
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is newer libindi in yet?
[14:20] <Mamarok> apachelogger: same problem with 8GB
[14:21] <apachelogger> Mamarok: ok, I'll have to reboot and try without all my additional modules loaded
[14:21] <Mamarok> and it certainly is not the drive, as WIndows managed to encyrpt it fine, but I want to be a ble to read it with both OS
[14:21] <apachelogger> but from the sound of the error I'd argue it is a kernel bug
[14:21] <apachelogger> possible usb3 related
[14:22] <Mamarok> crap
[14:22] <txwikinger> ScottK: what needs to be tested?
[14:25] <bulldog98> apachelogger: regarding kgetsource: is series unstable or stable or is that something like natty oneiric?
[14:26] <apachelogger> whether upstream is stable or unstalbe
[14:26] <apachelogger> i.e. whether to look for tars in /stable/x.y.z/ or /unstable/x.y.z/
[14:26] <bulldog98> ok than I wrote a unneeded script that gets the current active ubuntu series
[14:27] <apachelogger> at least you learned something :P
[14:27] <apachelogger> I actually think ubuntu-dev-tools has a python module that gets the current series from LP btw
[14:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: nice
[14:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: shouldn’t kubuntu-dev-tools suggest ubuntu-dev-tools?
[14:29] <apachelogger> Mamarok: do you have time to quickly rehash what awesomeness happend between amarok 2.4.0 and 2.4.3?
[14:29] <apachelogger> bulldog98: why?
[14:29] <apachelogger> you can perfectly develop without ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:29] <bulldog98> apachelogger: cause of that things
[14:29] <apachelogger> if you need that sorta thing then it would at least be recommends
[14:29] <apachelogger> but since we do not use any modules from ubuntu-dev-tools right now there is no active relationship
[14:29] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ouch, I need to re-read the repease texts for 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 again, don't know by heart
[14:30] <Mamarok> certainly a lot of bugfixes
[14:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I only care about features :P
[14:30] <apachelogger> well, we can certainly also mention improved stabile awesomeness
[14:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: also if you stumble upon a nice screenshot, that would also be good
[14:33] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that's for the features: http://paste.kde.org/117109/
[14:33] <Mamarok> for the screenshots just steal from our website :)
[14:34] <ScottK> txwikinger: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[14:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: iirc yes
[14:36] <apachelogger> Mamarok: isnt it windows? :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> I seem to remember it being windows
[14:36] <apachelogger> thanks for the list
[14:37] <apachelogger> Mamarok: didn't the styling improvements done in randa also land in .3 ?
[14:37] <bulldog98> how do I get the dirname out of ls -l?
[14:37] <bulldog98> awk ?
[14:37] <apachelogger> why you want that?
[14:38] <bulldog98> apachelogger: completing the version for kgetsource
[14:38] <didrocks> ScottK: debfx: FYI, the new appmenu-qt release will need an updated patch in Qt (see bug #838115). This one is to make it closer to the patch that was upstreamed in 4.8
[14:38] <apachelogger> but yes, awk would be an option, or you just regex it, entirely dependent on what you want to do
[14:38] <apachelogger> bulldog98: why do you need ls -l then?
[14:38] <didrocks> ScottK: debfx: so, a warning that I think we can do this update next Monday for instance?
[14:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I want to get the highest version of KDE/the package needed
[14:39] <ScottK> didrocks: Yes.
[14:39] <didrocks> ScottK: just for confirming, there is no plan to ship 4.7.4, isn't it?
[14:39] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that does not answer the question ... why do you need "ls -l" to do that :P
[14:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: right ls -c
[14:39] <ScottK> Is it released?
[14:39] <didrocks> ScottK: will be by the end of next week from what I heard…
[14:39] <ScottK> didrocks: We should ship the latest Qt I'd think.
[14:40] <ScottK> What do you think.
[14:40] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that still aint answering the question :P
[14:40] <apachelogger> even though certainly more appropriate than ls -l
[14:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I don’t need it I can use ls -c
[14:40] <didrocks> ScottK: I'm happy with both, I don't know the upstream politic in Qt, they seem very conservative, so we can ship it I guess after some testing for kubuntu and unity-2d
[14:40] <apachelogger> bulldog98: but what for
[14:40] <apachelogger> bulldog98: where do you run it?
[14:40] <apachelogger> what do you do with the output of ls?
[14:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: zsh completion for kgetsource to get the version
[14:41] <didrocks> ScottK: if it's really released by then end of next week, do you agree?
[14:41] <ScottK> didrocks: I do.
[14:41] <Mamarok> apachelogger: here goes the complete changelog between those versions
[14:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: greping and running on ftpmaster.kde.org
[14:41] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:41] <didrocks> ScottK: ok, nice :) thanks for the head's up, I'll ping you again on monday anyway before uploading Qt with the updated patch
[14:41] <Mamarok> apachelogger: the styling changes are in the changes section
[14:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: is kgetsource akonadi 1.6.0 stable valid?
[14:42] <apachelogger> no
[14:42] <apachelogger> kgetsource only works for kde
[14:42] <apachelogger> and akonadi is not even of kde ftp IIRC
[14:42] <apachelogger> s/of/on
[14:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: mh
[14:43] <Mamarok> apachelogger: where do I report this kernel bug to?
[14:43] <ScottK> didrocks: This should also solve Bug #602913 then.
[14:43] <didrocks> ScottK: ok, thanks, I'll add it to changelog as well :)
[14:43] <apachelogger> bulldog98: so, how do you access ftpmaster so that you could run ls?
[14:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:44] <didrocks> ScottK: oh, 4.7.4 is just released apparently, they weren't kidding when telling by the end of this week or next one :)
[14:44] <didrocks> http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-sdk-update-introducing-qt-creator-2-3-and-other-updates/
[14:44] <ScottK> didrocks: OK.  So let's have that on Monday.
[14:44] <bulldog98> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>ls -c /home/ftpubuntu/stable/
[14:44] <maco> apachelogger: taco man seeded it
[14:44] <didrocks> ScottK: indeed, nice timing :)
[14:44] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you cannot ssh into ftpmaster, can you?
[14:45] <apachelogger> maco: cool, thx
[14:45] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I can
[14:45] <apachelogger> I am not sure that is intended
[14:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: it is I did packaging work for kdepim
[14:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: Riddell added me
[14:46] <apachelogger> no, I mean generally
[14:47] <apachelogger> packagers were not able to ssh into ktown, so I am not entirely sure that the setup on ftpmaster is right
[14:47] <apachelogger> bulldog98: anywho... you should probably be using sftp and not ssh
[14:48] <apachelogger> as ssh will start a remote shell, which is of course fatter than sftp
[14:48] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but I need to do an ls -c over an dir, is that possible with sftp, too?
[14:48] <apachelogger> also you don't need the -c as it does not help in particular, you'd still need to regex every value returned by ls, to check if it matches ^\d.\d.\d$
[14:48] <apachelogger> and then sort that
[14:49] <apachelogger> bulldog98: no, ls -c is useless anyway
[14:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: We could ssh into ktown.
[14:49] <apachelogger> rly?
[14:49] <ScottK> Yep.
[14:49] <apachelogger> fair enough
[14:49] <bulldog98> ScottK: we can into ftpmaster too
[14:49] <ScottK> bulldog98: Yep.
[14:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, I add kwin-gles to the page and fixed some of the more subtle s/alpha/beta things, amarok is wip
[14:51] <apachelogger> though I am starving so I might have to look for something to eat now
[14:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you have anything else in mind?
[14:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:51] <ScottK> Maybe some marketroid stuff about patches to enable future inclusion of plasma-active and how marvelous that will be if we ever manage to get it done.
[14:52] <apachelogger> well
[14:52] <apachelogger> dangerous
[14:52] <apachelogger> I also advertised mobile stuff for oneiric
[14:52] <apachelogger> and now we are sitting here without kernel
[14:53]  * bulldog98 is off for today
[14:53] <apachelogger> and from discussion on various forums pointing to my blog post I'd say that there is certainly a lot of interest in that
[14:53] <apachelogger> so that will backfire quite a bit if we don't get a meaningful product by release
[14:54] <ScottK> Better get busy then ...
[14:55] <ScottK> BTW, libdbusmenu-qt 0.9.0 is in Debian. Someone (tm) should look at a sync/merge for that.
[14:55] <ScottK> didrocks: ^^^
[14:56] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, I'll do that on the same Monday, get quite some updates right now with unity just after the freeze
[14:56] <didrocks> thanks for the hilight :)
[14:56] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:57] <cyphermox> ScottK, merge request to fix bug 838099 is up, if you or someone else wants to review it later
[14:58] <ScottK> cyphermox: Cool.  Thanks.
[14:58] <cyphermox> sorry about that, didn't expect changing the version number back down to something sane would have caused this ;)
[14:59] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^ What do you think?
[15:06] <debfx> ScottK: about what?
[15:06] <ScottK> debfx: cyphermox's merge proposal.
[15:07] <debfx> cyphermox: is this fixed/submitted upstream?
[15:07] <cyphermox> not yet, no
[15:07] <cyphermox> fwiw, I'll drop a word to dcbw to try and make sure we avoid the .99x numbering in the future
[15:08] <cyphermox> debfx: is it just opening a bug?
[15:09] <cyphermox> it's technically correct to require 0.8.997 or whatever, just breaks when 0.9.0 get installed or used to build
[15:12] <debfx> cyphermox: looks like it's already fixed upstream
[15:12] <txwikinger> Thanks ScottK
[15:13] <cyphermox> ah ok
[15:18] <apachelogger> debfx, ScottK: do any of you have a somewhat default looking amarok you could make a snapshot of?
[15:19] <ScottK> Depends on where I left off in my last install attempt.  Let me check it.
[15:19] <apachelogger> bulldog98: btw, you could write a script to move all bugs from kdebase-workspace in ubuntu to kde-workspace
[15:20] <apachelogger> I do not think that manual moving and triage at the same time will yield sane results
[15:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: with desktop effects if at all possible
[15:20] <apachelogger> so that we get a nice drop shadow
[15:22] <ScottK> Should have it in a momenty
[15:23] <apachelogger> Mamarok: what I don't get... why was there no .2? ^^
[15:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: gles is in I believe
[15:27] <Quintasan> rbelem: another ping :S
[15:28] <rbelem> Quintasan, pong
[15:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the package is ther eat least
[15:28] <rbelem> :-)
[15:28] <Quintasan> rbelem: link to runtime branch please
[15:28] <Quintasan> Did ScottK have any comments?
[15:30] <rbelem> Quintasan, lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7
[15:30] <rbelem> Quintasan, and lp:~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde4libs-active-4.7
[15:30] <rbelem> :-)
[15:30] <Quintasan> rbelem: Are there more changes to libs?
[15:31] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[15:31] <Quintasan> brrr
[15:31] <rbelem> Quintasan, active needs them
[15:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[15:32] <oem> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/SulfK.png
[15:32] <Quintasan> rbelem: You are still doing install files wrong
[15:32] <oem> (amarok screen shot)
[15:32] <apachelogger> cheers
[15:32] <rbelem> Quintasan, where?
[15:32] <Quintasan> debian/tmp-kde-runtime-active/etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu will install it to /debian/tmp-kde-runtime/active rbelem
[15:32] <Quintasan> rbelem: https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7/+merge/73610
[15:33] <Quintasan> rbelem: http://paste.kde.org/117139/
[15:33] <Quintasan> like this
[15:33] <rbelem> Quintasan, thx :-) i will fix that and will upload again
[15:34] <Quintasan> just push changes to branch :P
[15:34] <ScottK> Quintasan: I didn't have a chance to look.
[15:34] <Quintasan> rbelem: Also, do a merge proposal for kdelibs
[15:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you're feeling poetic, something nice for the kubuntu.org announcement would be good too.
[15:36]  * ScottK didn't hear back from ryanakca yet.
[15:36] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki :-)
[15:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: I do not think I have the right state of mind for that TBH
[15:37] <apachelogger> been trying to write a blog post for 3 days now
[15:37] <ScottK> OK.
[15:37] <KRF> btw, networkmanager in 11.10 is telling me some funny things, pl a pla 'need version >=0.9.88888xyz, but found 0.9.0'. apachelogger, did you break that?
[15:37] <apachelogger> "nu beta, download here, info here, nakkid pictures of rbelem here"
[15:37] <apachelogger> oh
[15:37] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:37] <apachelogger> I have that too
[15:38] <apachelogger> anyone knows anything about that?
[15:38] <KRF> sounds like someone didnt do the version comparison right
[15:38] <apachelogger> KRF: actually it is >=0.8.99999 but found 0.9.0
[15:38] <apachelogger> so I guess the code is kaput
[15:38]  * apachelogger blames upstream
[15:38] <ScottK> KRF: That's Bug #838099
[15:38] <KRF> oioi
[15:39] <KRF> Unfortunately, the large version number for NM 0.8.996 and all breaks in this case because the last number is larger than 255.
[15:39] <KRF> lol
[15:39] <ScottK> Yep.
[15:39] <ScottK> Fix in work.
[15:39] <apachelogger> cheap shift?
[15:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: your screenshot does not blend in with the others :P
[15:40] <ScottK> Sorry.
[15:40] <apachelogger> ah, but we have netbooks, so at least people will not think we abandoned that thing
[15:40] <apachelogger> although upstream sorta di
[15:40] <apachelogger> d
[15:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: amarok in too
[15:40] <ScottK> It still works fine though.
[15:41] <apachelogger> well, event indication is broken by design
[15:45] <Mamarok> apachelogger: there was no .2 because we have a release manager  (and git admin btw) who doesn't know how to retag :(
[15:45] <Mamarok> OK, shower time, I need to get ready in 15 minutes, later
[15:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-o
[16:06] <Mamarok> ready
[18:36] <ScottK> I've got the kubuntu.org announcement ready to go.
[18:42] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK, need someone to login and update it?
[18:43] <ScottK> Nope.  I'll logged in and ready to hit publish.
[19:24] <dacresni> hey sucessfully instalald I think
[19:24] <dacresni> what sort of test should I run? on a mac
[19:25] <dacresni> oh, i mean, oneric osolot installed on a mac
[19:25] <ScottK> For the ISO testing we mostly need success/failure reports.
[19:26] <ScottK> In general it's good to know if video/wifi works and if there are any issues with the multimedia keys.
[19:26] <dacresni> ah ok
[19:26] <dacresni> do I put that in a report/
[19:26] <dacresni> ?
[19:27] <dacresni> wifi works,
[19:27] <dacresni> the keys respond but audio is not qutie configured
[19:27] <ScottK> For the basic install, you register/log in to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site and mark your test results.
[19:27] <ScottK> If you find problems file bugs in LP and then link them there.
[19:27] <sheytan_> Heya
[19:28] <sheytan_> is kubuntu beta ready, too?
[19:28] <ScottK> Very close.
[19:28] <sheytan_> will be today? :)
[19:28] <ScottK> Yes
[19:28] <sheytan_> Good, thank you, will try it :)
[19:33] <dacresni> so how do I report that audio is only comming out of the right speake
[19:33] <dacresni> speaker
[19:35] <ScottK> File a bug by opening a konsole shell and typing ubuntu-bug sound (I think it's sound)
[19:35] <ScottK> That'll run apport and collect up a bunch of relevant data for sound issues.
[19:35] <ScottK> It may be ubuntu-bug audio, I can't remember.
[19:36] <dacresni> k
[19:51] <dacresni> a window poped up saying package does not exist
[19:51] <dacresni> nevermind, i did it without parameters
[19:52] <ScottK> dacresni: Try ubuntu-bug with no arguments and see what options it gives you.
[19:52] <dacresni> i did (thats what I ment by parameters
[19:53] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:53] <ScottK> I should read the whole thing.
[19:53] <dacresni> if i cancel it, it freeses (collecting problem information)
[19:54] <dacresni> and its not asking the correct questions. its asking about storage devices when i said its an audio problem
[19:55] <dacresni> i had to xkill and then stop its cli
[19:55] <dacresni> im gong to take a nap and see what I can test before the end of the day
[19:55] <dacresni> i'll get updates right?
[19:56] <dacresni> without reburnign?
[19:56] <dacresni> reburning?
[19:56] <dacresni> we'll see if mbp 6,2 come back from sleep
[19:58] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:00] <dacresni> comes back from sleep
[20:01] <dacresni> comes back from sleep
[21:31] <ScottK> Release announced on kubuntu.org
[22:59] <lunarcloud> hello, i was invited here because I was interested in helping out writing the website's announcements
[23:10] <lunarcloud> hello?
[23:55]  * rbelem pokes Quintasan_
[23:57]  * rbelem ScottK
[23:57] <rbelem> *pokes


[00:05] <tkamppeter> Anyone of the TB or in some other format permitted to grant me upload rights for a package into main? I have upload rights for all printing packages into main, but it did not work for cupsddk and I would like to get it corrected. Thanks.
[00:11] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I suggest mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- they probably won't be around at this time
[00:11] <cjwatson> nobody else has the authority to do that
[00:12] <cjwatson> (I can confirm that you don't have upload access to cupsddk)
[00:18] <tkamppeter> cjwatson: , thanks.
[03:46] <benh> hoy
[03:46] <benh> is ports. down ?
[03:46] <benh> ie, temporary breakage or something more permanent ?
[03:55] <wgrant> benh: It wouldn't be anything permanent. I suspect it's just down and as it's a weekend nobody has noticed yet...
[03:55] <benh> ok
[07:08] <SingAlong> Hi all!
[07:09] <SingAlong> I'm trying to compile a lib gives me Xrender.h errors. Says Xrender.h isnt found. But I verified the location I specified and the file is present. Has anyone got such errors?
[07:10] <sukiminna_> seems like there is nobody here..
[07:10] <sukiminna_> :(
[07:11] <SingAlong> sukiminna: ?
[07:11] <SingAlong> yeah I think I'll go back to #ubuntu
[07:11] <RAOF> SingAlong: That doesn't sound like a question about the development of ubuntu, so is likely to be off-topic.
[07:12] <SingAlong> RAOF: sorry!
[07:12] <RAOF> SingAlong: Plus, the minimum useful information would include a pastebin link containing the full terminal output of whatever's not working.
[09:41] <karthik_> hey anyone please help how to create a new workspace
[09:42] <Mithrandir> karthik_: this channel is not for support, please ask in #ubuntu.
[09:42] <iulian> karthik_: Please join #ubuntu for user support.
[09:43] <karthik_> Mithrandir: i asked as a programmers view
[09:43] <karthik_> i want it to create using a c prog
[09:44] <iulian> karthik_: And still this is not the right channel to ask.
[09:44] <iulian> karthik_: See /topic.
[09:45] <karthik_> iulian: ok could you please tell where to ask
[09:46] <iulian> karthik_: I've no idea, sorry.  You can try google.
[09:47] <karthik_> iulian: as workspace is related to development of desktop related thing.. are there channels for desktop development?
[09:47] <Mithrandir> karthik_: assuming you are on gnome, see http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels ?
[09:50] <karthik_> ok
[10:37] <lool> Err "import common" /usr/share/pyshared/common.py in ubuntu-dev-tools
[10:38] <jpds> lool: I thought I moved that to /usr/share/ubuntu-dev-tools.
[10:40] <lool> jpds: I only updated yesterday
[10:40]  * lool updates
[10:41] <lool> jpds: I created credentials with manage-credentials (which should IMO be lp-manage-credentials), but requestsync still breaks
[10:41] <jpds> lool: I just saw the bug report.
[10:42] <lool> jpds: It's not that bug
[10:42] <lool> The bug I filed is when I didn't have any credentials
[10:42] <lool> But it still doesn't work after creating them
[10:42] <lool> jpds: It seems I'm up-to-date WRT ubunt-dev-tools
[10:42] <lool> I have 0.55 which seems to be the newest
[10:43] <lool> jpds: Oh I think I'm really stupid
[10:43] <lool> lalala
[10:44] <lool> I should read man pages til the end
[10:45] <lool> jpds: Are you aware of the permissions being work readable by default?
[10:46] <jpds> lool: Oh, yeah. You need a token with 'ubuntu-dev-tools' as the name. And yes, that's fixed in Bazaar.
[10:47] <lool> jpds: Ok; thanks
[10:50] <jpds> lool: OK; improved error message to show what token name is needed.
[11:01] <lool> jpds: Thanks :)
[11:12] <DktrKranz> lool, intrepid-proposed upload of language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base make packages conflicting with language-pack-gnome-{de,it} (see bug 317934). Is it fine for you to manually adjust depenencies on correct language-pack-gnome-{de,it} versions available in intrepid-updates?
[11:19] <lool> DktrKranz: Thanks a lot for the pointer
[11:20] <lool> slangasek, cjwatson: what's your preference for fixing this?  Changing the deps for the -base SRUs, or also SRU-ing the non -base langpacks?
[11:20] <lool> I would rather do the former
[11:29] <lool> Updated bugs
[11:42] <jpds> lool: u-d-t 0.56 uploaded.
[12:01] <cjwatson> lool: adjust the deps for -base, I think
[12:05] <DktrKranz> lool, I just noticed language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base have Conflicts/Replaces field which do use of (<< ${Source-Version}), so they need mangling too.
[12:07] <cjwatson> isn't that what lool basically already said?
[12:07] <cjwatson> the only reason I'm at all uncomfortable with mangling -base is that the mangling is going to be messy at the source level
[12:07] <cjwatson> although I suppose you could just hardcode the versions for now
[12:34] <ogra> hmm, is it me or has ports.u.c a problem ?
[14:05] <lool> jpds: Thanks; however I think you mixed the issue I reported on IRC with the one I reported in LP: I still think it's a bug to require lp credentials by default, at least it's inconsistent with having a --lp flag
[14:05] <lool> jpds: Albeit not my preference, I wouldn't mind a requirement to use LP for this tool
[14:06] <lool> Just not the situation where it's needed while it seems it's not ;)
[14:06] <jpds> lool: Hmm, no credentials found, and skip LP bug check?
[14:08] <lool> jpds: Yes
[14:08] <jpds> lool: OK, I can do that.
[14:08] <lool> Thanks a lot
[14:12] <lool> Erf language-pack-gnome-$l-base Replaces itself; I guess it's due to some common template and simplifications
[14:30] <jpds> lool: Commited to bzr.
[14:41] <fbond> Hi.  NetworkManager failed to add a route to the gateway and a default route.  I'm at a hotel.  How can I quickly grab enough info for someone to debug (I'll upload to launchpad)?
[14:41] <fbond> (Windows machines work correctly.)
[14:42] <fbond> (NM reported the gateway correctly when I clicked "Connection Information".)
[14:53] <directhex> fbond, i've occasionally had strangely windows-only wifi. what driver are you using?
[14:58] <fbond> directhex: b43.  It works after I added the routes correctly.
[14:58] <fbond> directhex: Although the captive portal seemed to be a little confused by me.
[16:05] <lool> cjwatson, slangasek: Pushed -it and -de base langpacks again (intrepid2); I've test installed these in a new intrepid virtual machine from my ppa (after reproducing the installation issue with -proposed)
[16:07] <lool> (and these are in unapproved)
[17:26] <ramvi> How do I customize the UNR iso?There's no casper directory like here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[17:40] <spod-> hi does anybody know if there is a gdb package with thread debugging enabled?
[17:41] <spod-> or do i have to compile it myself?
[18:14] <hyperair> spod-: http://pastebin.com/d103e4f97 <-- see, gdb has threading support by default
[20:02] <i-pink> hi i have a problem in the time applet (gnome)
[20:03] <i-pink> i think is bug
[20:04] <i-pink> look a this screensot http://www1.speedyshare.com/data/488896368/14740217/4014211/Screenshot-1.png
[20:06] <cjwatson> please use the bug tracking system: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - bug reports on IRC are usually lost
[20:07] <i-pink> how to that?
[20:08] <i-pink> you can help me with this?
[20:08] <cjwatson> no
[20:08] <cjwatson> this is a development channel; please go elsewhere for support, e.g. #ubuntu
[20:08] <i-pink> ok :S
[20:09] <cjwatson> lool: language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base accepted, thanks
[20:09] <i-pink> is for the development
[21:56] <tvakah> is there any particular reason that ubuntu's shipping php with magic quotes on by default?
[22:19] <ScottK> tvakah: I'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:19] <tvakah> ScottK: ehh I see there's been a bug since march about it, and it's still not been addressed in jaunty, oh well
[22:20] <ScottK> tvakah: I'm just saying you're more likely to get an answer there.
[22:20]  * ScottK has no idea about php.
[22:23]  * calc still looking for bugs not already fixed to put on his pet bugs list, heh
[22:23] <calc> lots of bugs fixed for 3.0 :)
[22:23] <savvas> tvakah: they're off by default I think
[22:23] <savvas> http://us.php.net/manual/en/security.magicquotes.php
[22:24] <tvakah> savvas: negative, I just got bit by it, spent many hours trying to find out why my code wasn't working until I finally went "d'oh"
[22:24] <tvakah> latest php5 from jaunty
[22:24] <tvakah> freshly reinstalled due to doing the jaunty upgrade ( I reintalled from scratch )
[22:24] <tvakah> which is why it bit me since I'd turned them off long ago in intrepid
[22:25] <savvas> what's the bug report number?
[22:27] <savvas> I think someone should report this to the ubuntu-hardened team
[22:27] <savvas> just found a discussion about it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-hardened/2008-September/000416.html
[22:31] <savvas> tvakah: what's the bug report number?
[22:34] <tvakah> savvas: #204479
[22:34] <tvakah> it's a "wishlist" importance for some reason
[22:35] <savvas> bug #204479
[22:38] <savvas> the patch comes directly from debian
[22:39] <savvas> debian/patches/029-php.ini_paranoid.patch
[22:41] <savvas> tvakah: I'll try report this to debian first, we'll see if they'll fix it :)
[22:42] <tvakah> savvas: heh you're saying a patch called "paranoid" turns it _on_?
[22:42] <tvakah> seems a tad messed up
[22:42] <savvas> yep
[22:50] <savvas> tvakah: hold a sec, it's a bit messy with all those patches, let me read it once more :)
[23:05] <savvas> tvakah: I can't do this, the package is just too big for my knowledge :(
[23:06] <tvakah> ahh, well at this rate may as well wait for php6 then since the "feature" is finally being put down
[23:06] <cjwatson> I've linked the PHP bug to the corresponding Debian bug
[23:06] <cjwatson> "Although I agree that magic_quotes_* suck (and IMHO they should not even
[23:06] <cjwatson> exist) I don't know how good it will make (besides most likely breaking lots
[23:06] <cjwatson> of poorly designed scripts) as long as upstream provide a php.ini with _gpg =
[23:06] <cjwatson> on.
[23:06] <cjwatson> "
[23:07] <tvakah> cjwatson: actually most php projects of size have automatic checks to disable magic quotes if the server has them on
[23:07] <cjwatson> I know nothing about PHP and want to know less
[23:07] <savvas> tvakah: actually php 5.3.0 :)
[23:07] <cjwatson> just quoting the Debian bug
[23:07] <tvakah> it more affects individual developers such as myself who start a simple standalone script assuming a sane setup ;)
[23:08] <savvas> they'll deprecate it in that version as well
[23:08] <cjwatson> actually, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512037 has more helpful discussion
[23:10] <savvas> so that's why I couldn't find it :P
[23:11] <cjwatson> anyway, looks like the reason Debian and Ubuntu both ship it that way is (ultimately) that: that's the upstream default too; some of the Debian maintainers are reluctant to change it right before the release of Lenny; and Ubuntu is just following along here
[23:12] <tvakah> *nod* just got done reading that too, ahh well, not a world stopping thing by far, just caused a raised eyebrow here and a bit of face+palming ;)
[23:12] <cjwatson> PHP isn't something we put a lot of direct maintenance effort into beyond necessary adjustments for Ubuntu's structure and other related packages, I think
[23:13] <cjwatson> certainly it seems extremely probable that both Debian and Ubuntu would follow the upstream change in php6
[23:14] <tvakah> heh fortunately there's no choice in v6, they're finally axing the bugger
[23:14] <savvas> hm.. cjwatson's right, php.ini-recommended is the one that has magic_quotes "off" heh
[23:15] <tvakah> see it's this thing where by it causes all incoming strings ( like post, get , and cookie variables ) to have _al_ quotes have a literal "\" prepended so as to make them escaped for easy use inside say a sql insert statement
[23:16] <tvakah> that's what's magic about it, it lets lesser programmers write sql statements... with disasterous magic sideeffects
[23:16] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, I've heard enough about it to know it's entirely braindead
[23:16] <cjwatson> classic case of why it's important to have clearly defined quoting rules that you violate at your peril
[23:16] <tvakah> and if you don't work in php every day and just incidentally try to write a php script to "Get something done", you'll end up not noticing it at first until it bites you ;)
[23:25] <directhex> when i see NCommander doing things, i can't help but think of the electric six song "dance commander"
[23:26] <NCommander> Get up, get up, get up AND DANCE!
[23:29] <LaserJock> anybody happen to know what the difference between gitpkg and git-buildpackage is?


[13:51] <mup> Bug #2028865 opened: Install MAAS in charm-deployment-guide <deployment-guide> <OpenStack Charms Deployment Guide:Incomplete> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028865>


[00:12] <cjwatson> You don't need to upload again to get it built.  A self-copy would do
[00:12] <cjwatson> (Probably too late now, but for next time0
[00:12] <cjwatson> )
[00:26] <vorlon> ah good point
[05:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-m2r [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [0.2.1-3] (no packageset)
[06:38] <infinity> vorlon, mwhudson: Given it's how we generate buildd images, removing livecd-rootfs on i386 would be suboptimal. :P
[06:39] <vorlon> oh that too
[07:36] <mwhudson> infinity: details
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libbio-db-gff-perl [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.7.3-2] (no packageset)
[09:59] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, can you please add virtualbox and virtualbox-hwe to i386 list exception? I think a virtualization system guest needs to be kept, right?
[10:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (bionic-proposed/main) [12.2.12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 12.2.12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> can I ask any AA to review some phpunit reverse-deps that might be kicked out from focal, and are already out from testing?
[11:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (eoan-proposed/main) [3.98ubuntu5.1 => 3.98ubuntu5.2] (core)
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flash-kernel [source] (eoan-proposed) [3.98ubuntu5.2]
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, is it possible to add virtualbox and virtualbox-hwe in the i386 exception list in your opinion?
[12:35] <LocutusOfBorg> we really need guest parts to emulate the old i386 virtual machines
[12:41] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, i really have no context to answer that, sorry
[12:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [i386] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ilmbase [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.3.0-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openvswitch (bionic-proposed/main) [2.9.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.9.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-server)
[13:35] <cpaelzer> Laney: vorlon: I saw you yesterday talking about i386 autopkgtests failing
[13:35] <cpaelzer> was that resolved - atm I'm wondering why a PPA no more builds i386
[13:36] <cpaelzer> and I ask myself if this is part of the same overall big swicth that might be going on
[13:36] <cpaelzer> i386 is enabled in the PPA, package is Architecture: linux-any - but no (neither failed nor succeeded) i386 build at the PPA
[13:57] <Laney> cpaelzer: right, there's a whitelist now https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/focal/i386-whitelist
[13:58] <cpaelzer> So I don't want/need an i386 of chrony (which I put to my PPA)
[13:58] <cpaelzer> but I'd want the tests to start on it :-)
[13:59] <cpaelzer> sil2100: that might be a bileto thing as that is what I used for this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3847
[13:59] <cpaelzer> is the drop of i386 known to need any changes there to "not wait on it"
[13:59] <cpaelzer> and vice versa Laney/vorlon did "normal" britney get changes to not ahve the same "waiting on i386 build"
[14:00] <Laney> it only looks for missing builds versus what is in the release
[14:00] <Laney> so once someone performs a mass removal of i386, will be good
[14:00] <cpaelzer> that sounds great, thanks for the info
[14:00] <cpaelzer> is there any sort of ETA for that
[14:00] <cpaelzer> today is thanksgiving so only about 50% will complain today :-)
[14:01] <Laney> that's going to be Steve, so I can't make any promises :(
[14:27] <sil2100> cpaelzer: yeah, I mean, I could drop i386 from the list of ADT arches, but I suppose once the removals happen it should be all better
[14:29] <cpaelzer> sil2100: thanks
[14:29] <cpaelzer> I can wait for the removal to be complete
[15:16] <seb128> sil2100, hey, did you see the ping aobut jsunit/bionic yesterday?
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[15:29] <sil2100> seb128: ah, yes! On it now
[15:29] <seb128> sil2100, thanks!
[15:33] <sil2100> uh, ok, so I actually didn't know that someone actually released thunderbird
[15:33] <sil2100> I explicitly tagged the bugs to not be released without coordination, if I knew I would have acted on the jsunit yesterday already
[15:34] <sil2100> It's done now though o/
[15:34] <sil2100> Sorry for the hiccup
[15:34] <seb128> sil2100, np, thanks!
[15:34] <seb128> oSoMoN, ^
[15:39] <oSoMoN> thanks sil2100
[15:50] <sil2100> yw o/
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[20:36] <vorlon> 04:34 < LocutusOfBorg> we really need guest parts to emulate the old i386 virtual machines
[20:37] <vorlon> he's not around so I can't answer him directly, but fwiw the answer here is a definitive no
[20:37] <vorlon> there is no 32-bit kernel on focal, and no support for running a 32-bit host environment on focal, so no reason at all to have the 32-bit guest tools
[20:38] <vorlon> tumbleweed: hi, qa.ubuntuwire.com down?
[20:38] <vorlon> .org
[20:40] <infinity> vorlon: YEah, I was waiting for him to come back to say the same thing.
[21:59] <vorlon> tumbleweed: n/m I was apparently sending mistyped package names and making reverse-depends angry ;)
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[04:26] <andrew> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2011/3/2riebschlager.html
[04:26] <PennBot`> Title: McSweeney's Internet Tendency: Angry Birds - Letters from the Front Lines. (at www.mcsweeneys.net)
[17:28] <Joe_CoT> great, nickserv is dead
[17:29] <Joe_CoT> nvm
[17:34] <lamalex> wtf? http://ubuntu-ast.org/?q=es/node/255
[17:34] <PennBot`> Title: Pasión por lo nuestro XVII | Ubuntu-ast (at ubuntu-ast.org)
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[18:58] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[19:53] <rhpot1991> anyone ever been to the Trocadero?
[19:54] <rhpot1991> in Philly
[20:03]  * rhpot1991 picks up a ticket
[21:24] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[21:24] <andrew> ...
[21:24] <andrew> day's nearly over
[21:24] <SamuraiAlba> aye
[21:24] <SamuraiAlba> I was setting up a wireless network...
[21:28] <ssweeny> is BaconNet up and running?
[21:28] <SamuraiAlba> Nah.  Just upgraded grammies in house wifi to N300 :)
[21:35] <andrew> That's BrownieNet
[21:35] <andrew> N300?
[21:36] <andrew> With stock firmware, or third party?
[21:37] <SamuraiAlba> stock
[21:43] <andrew> lame
[21:51] <SamuraiAlba> tp-link router for $20... ho cares?
[21:51] <SamuraiAlba> *who
[21:56] <andrew> It supports DD-WRT (and by that, I assume any of the othe major choices)
[22:00] <andrew> Heading out, back on much later.
[22:00] <andrew> Banff Mtn Film Festival this evening (and tomorrow evening).
[22:02] <JonathanS> 330
[22:31] <SamuraiAlba> grammie using pc :O
[22:49] <waltman> SamuraiAlba: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1511.html
[22:49] <PennBot`> Title: The Joy of Tech comic... Granny VS Steve Jobs. (at www.geekculture.com)


[07:55] <fleetfox> What is going to happen with wayland/mir?
[08:10] <Noskcaj> fleetfox, We'll eventually use wayland, not fully sure when (will be by next lts unless something breaks)
[08:11] <fleetfox> ok, great
[08:13] <mgedmin> yay
[09:27] <darkxst> fleetfox, we will continue to use X as default, for quite some time yet I imagine
[09:27] <darkxst> next cycle we should have experimental wayland support
[14:21] <l3on> why gnome-shell is not getting updates like other packages in gnome3-staging/utopic ?
[17:19] <megaloden> Hello all
[17:20] <megaloden> Is Gnome 3.14 available on Ubuntu 14.04? More specifically Linuxmint 17?
[17:32] <Vault108> quick question how wan i upgrade to gnome 3.14?
[17:33] <hashem> I don't know if there's a 3.14 PPA, but Ubuntu only has 3.12 packaged: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/gnome-shell
[17:47] <ricotz> meetingology, only for 14.10
[17:47] <meetingology> ricotz: Error: "only" is not a valid command.
[17:48] <ricotz> heh
[19:28] <MichaelTunnell> not sure if it matters or not to anyone but Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 Beta would not boot into VirtualBox it would just crash into a black screen. However, Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 Daily did boot just fine
[19:34] <MichaelTunnell> nevermind...once I installed it to the vmdisk it will not boot their with daily
[19:44] <MichaelTunnell> so virtualbox support is broken


[13:50] <DammitJim> is there something special I need to do on an ubuntu server so that when doing an nslookup, it doesn't require to specify the domain root name (i.e. mynetwork.com)


[08:28] <melodie> hi
[08:31] <melodie> I have met with some issues with package dependencies, at least I believe I did. Could someone tell me if the following behaviors qualify as bugs? http://pastebin.fr/36325
[09:19] <melodie> does someone know how to debug update-notifier, and tell me? It does not show and there are updates
[14:18] <RoyK> rbasak: the bug in question affects well documented use of mdraid, so not really 'edge'.