[17:53] <Turingii> OerHeks: for some reason, it's grabbing about half the ram for swapspace which it doesn't actually use
[17:53] <OerHeks> Turingii, you shouldn't need to reinstall, what does 'free' tell you?
[17:54] <bynarie> Turingii, i wouldnt think harddrive partitions have anything to do with ram
[17:54] <loki__> Tried zfs on ubuntu, it is some kind next level stuff... Thought about moving to zfs totally. Somebody tried something like this?
[17:55] <loki__> Turingii, paste your dmesg.
[17:55] <Turingii> OerHeks: this is the top part of 'top' http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WUT9xgpg
[17:55] <Quantumpants> hi guys, my keyboard keys seem to by slightly out of sink, any advice??
[17:56] <reisio> Quantumpants: out of sync?
[17:56] <nicklasmoeller> bynarie: looks promising, am installing
[17:56] <Turingii> loki__, bynarie, OerHeks: this is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Px6s0VHn
[17:56] <bynarie> awesome.. let me know how it works out
[17:56] <jhutchins> loki__: Thanks for asking about spindown, btw.  It prompted me to set the spindown times on a couple of drives I use that needed it.
 hi, will]
[17:56] <jhutchins> loki__: I configured them in the hdparm.conf file, which has a man page.
 well it seems that some of the symbles are in the wrong place
[17:57] <reisio> how so...
 for example the @ key in where the " key should be
[17:58] <Turingii> bynarie: well, it could generate new hard disk UUIDs with a new system, I remember Fedora relying on them (or rather, failing to re-detect when something like boot order changes, since that changes the UUIDs)
[17:58] <loki__> jhutchins, lol. np. but i need total poweroff somehow... i think my usb drive failing for some reason, and want prolong his life, looks like better to do phisical plug off
[17:58] <nicklasmoeller> will give it a reboot - seems it not loading right now. be back :)
[17:59] <reisio> Quantumpants: okay, so you probably have the wrong keymap set
 ok, how do i change it?
[18:00] <reisio> Quantumpants: what does 'setxkbmap -query' say?
 hold on....
[18:00] <chaotix> hi.  how can i hide a computer on my local network in ubuntu/linux?
[18:00] <jhutchins> loki__: hdparm -Y <device> should put it in the lowest power state.  hdparm -C <device> will tell you what state it's in.  hdparm -S will set the spindown timeout, but it has a special format, read the manpage.
[18:00] <rubiksmomo> Any idea why my deja-dup backup app stopped working? It worked fine for a week. Now it's asking for encryption password when it tries to run a backup. It just keeps asking, even if I input the correct one.
[18:00] <jhutchins> loki__: If it's failing, spinning it down will probably not help.
[18:01] <loki__> jhutchins, yea, that's what i am talking about.
 us, gb
[18:01] <reisio> Quantumpants: pardon?
 the layout is us, gb
 "us, gb"
[18:02] <johncarper> if i installed a package with  "tar xzf teamspeak3-server_linux-amd64-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz" for example
[18:02] <johncarper> what would be the best way to remove it again
[18:02] <jhutchins> Turingii: What kernel do you have installed?
[18:03] <loki__> Turingii, for some reason it is not get 8gb of ram Memory: 3685680K/3914996K available (7373K kernel code, 1144K rwdata, 3404K rodata, 1336K init, 1440K bss, 229316K reserved)
[18:03] <loki__> Turingii, try 64bit livecd
[18:03] <bynarie> johncarper, tar doesnt actually "install" anything, it just extracts it... like when you unzip a zip file
[18:04] <johncarper> i used xzf on the tar
[18:04] <johncarper> that installs it, doesn't it?
[18:04] <johncarper> or just extracts
[18:04] <NegativeFlare> that just extracts it
[18:04] <jhutchins> johncarper: x=extract z=decompress f=fromfile
[18:04] <johncarper> oh
[18:05] <johncarper> so if i just go to the directory i extracted it
[18:05] <johncarper> and remove that directory it should be gone
[18:05] <johncarper> if i'm correct
[18:05] <jhutchins> johncarper: manpages can be very helpful with options.
[18:05] <jhutchins> johncarper: Correct.
[18:05] <bynarie> johncarper, yes
[18:05] <johncarper> ok, thanks
[18:05] <bynarie> just delete them
[18:06] <bynarie> TAR is an archiving tool.. Now on the other hand, apt-get install is an installer
[18:06] <rubiksmomo> What's wrong with my deja-dup backup app? It worked fine for a week. Now it's asking for encryption password when it tries to run a backup. It just keeps asking, even if I input the correct one.
[18:07] <vbgunz> OerHeks: that's crummy, Ubuntu pitched it like they had it. Thanks!
[18:09] <Guest9650> Evening All! Does anyone have a few minutes to help me with a missing network indicator in Unity?
[18:09] <nicklasmoeller> bynarie: I tried to delete a folder - got BSOD (damn windows!). And then I deleted a file - extFS stopped working, but the file seemed to delete, although the partition unmounted
[18:09] <nicklasmoeller> and now it seems unable to mount
[18:10] <Capprentice> Is there a Firewall GUI which can show or block application level Connections? I want something like Comodo Firewall on Windows! :/
[18:11] <bynarie> nicklasmoeller, i assume you rebooted and loaded up linux and thats where it wont mount?
[18:12] <Capprentice> umm? :'(
[18:12] <russellbri> Ubuntu has the 'Uncomplicated Fire Wall' (ufw) installed by default. A GUI for it seems to be at http://gufw.org/
[18:12] <Drp_> I have 4 primary partitions and a free space (50GB), i want to install ubuntu in that free space, any suggesions please?
[18:12] <Drp_> should i convert 1 primary partition to logical ?
[18:13] <Capprentice> GUFW has no feature to show/block live connections! @ russellbri
[18:13] <Turingii> jhutchins: uname -a gives "Linux Akiraa 3.13.0-36-generic #63-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 3 21:30:07 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[18:14] <Capprentice> Has no one ever made something, what I seek!
[18:14] <Capprentice> ?
[18:14] <russellbri> ah fair enough. In that case I don't know, soz :)
[18:14] <nicklasmoeller> No - it's working perfectly in linux (I believe it still do) - After the BSOD I rebooted, and mounted, and tried to delete a single file. It stopped working, and now I'm stuck with a mounted F drive, which I have no access to, or no real view of that the partition is mounted to F (says mounted in extFS, but unable to mount after unmount - and when I close and open extFS it's like it's mounted
[18:15] <Turingii> "<loki__> Turingii, try 64bit livecd"  What would I do with the livecd?
[18:16] <russellbri> This looks pretty good, but isn't actively developed any more apparently: http://www.fs-security.com/ @ Capprentice
[18:17] <reisio> if you care that much about security, you don't even have a GUI
[18:17] <loki__> Turingii, boot without installation, and checkout your memory.
[18:17] <nicklasmoeller> going to try things out.. be back i believe
[18:17] <Turingii> loki__: could I just run the installer just up to the point of partition assignment, write changes to partition table and potentially fstab, then cancel and reboot off the hard disk?
[18:18] <Turingii> loki__: could it accidentally try to allocate swap to temp-fs which resides in ram?
[18:18] <loki__> Turingii, i thought your main problem is memory.
[18:18] <loki__> Turingii, i do not think so.
[18:18] <russellbri> So doe anyone have any ideas about a missing network indicator in unity? Killing and restarting nm-applet doesn;t seem to help, and i've reinstalled network-manager and network-manager-gnome to no avail. Most frustrating as I am lothed to reinstall just for the network indicator :(
[18:18] <Turingii> loki__: yes, but swap space is supposed to be just 2gb allocated off the hard disk, not 4gb
[18:19] <Turingii> loki__: so swap has nothing to do with it, you think?
[18:19] <loki__> Turingii, i had problems whith swap sometimes, all i do just recreate it. there is problem can be. swap goes encrypted as i remember.
[18:21] <Turingii> loki__: also tried this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=810baxNs (lshw -class memory)
[18:21] <Capprentice> russellbri, I have that,  but its old and even it do not have the application blocking function.
[18:22] <Turingii> loki__: it sees the two sticks of ram just fine
[18:22] <loki__> Turingii, then you 100% go to try livecd.
[18:22] <Turingii> loki__: will check back after that
[18:23] <jhutchins> Turingii: Your kernel should be able to see the full RAM.
[18:23] <jhutchins> Turingii: Swap in ram is wrongheaded.
[18:25] <trijntje> jhutchins: not if you compress the swap in RAM
[18:25] <reisio> not if you have gobs of ram
[18:25] <jhutchins> trijntje: Still very wrong.  The whole point of swap is to extend RAM.
[18:25] <reisio> to extend ram because you don't have enough of it...
[18:26] <jhutchins> Either you put swap on a non-RAM device or you disable it.
[18:26] <reisio> although there is certainly an argument to just disable it and fix swappiness, yarp
[18:26] <jhutchins> (Just don't set it up.)
[18:26] <OerHeks> so the bios sees 8 gb, but your system shows 3.8, my best guess is that motherboard does not support over 4 gb.
[18:26] <trijntje> jhutchins: its not wrong. It allows you to trade cpu cycles for RAM, which is a good trade off on most desktop machines
[18:26] <Turingii> my swap is like a government program, its existance creates a need for it
[18:26] <teddy_> does any one knows why after editing a sys file a file.~ appear??
[18:26] <reisio> teddy_: it's your editor's backup/swap file
[18:26] <OerHeks> Turingii, again, what motherboard is it?
[18:26] <reisio> teddy_: check prefs
[18:26] <jhutchins> OerHeks: If the bios sees it, it supports it, something is playing tricks on the system.
[18:27] <jhutchins> Turingii: have you tried memtest?
[18:27] <OerHeks> jhutchins, no, i have seen this before.
[18:27] <jhutchins> OerHeks: The system sees two 4GB DIMMs.
[18:27] <jhutchins> Turingii: does "free" see the 8G?
[18:27] <derjur> adding "manual" to /etc/init/nginx.override doesn't seem to work.  what's the best practice to defer a service from starting at boot?
[18:27] <Turingii> OerHeks: asrock 960GC-GS FX
[18:27] <Turingii> jhutchins: memtest see the entire memory just fine
[18:28] <Turingii> OerHeks: actually, the motherboard can use ddr2 and ddr3, but only with a cpu can support either, respectively
[18:28] <Turingii> OerHeks: the mobo limit is 4GB DDR2 and 16GB DDR3
[18:29] <OerHeks> Turingii, both memorybanks are ddr2 ?
[18:29] <sheap> how do I stop apt from bailing out during install when I select the ubuntu-desktop and the xubuntu-desktop? xubuntu has a newer version of a gtk package which isn't in the default trusty repos and apt cries and quits the install because of it :|
[18:31] <jhutchins> Turingii: WHat's the CPU Chipset?
[18:32] <bekks> sheap: can you pastebin what apt cries please?
[18:32] <bynarie> lol @ bekks
[18:32] <sheap> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8522413/
[18:32] <sheap> bekks: v 1 is in trusty
[18:33] <sheap> bekks: v 1.1 is in xubuntu and trusty-updates, but trusty-updates isn't being used right now
[18:33] <bekks> sheap: Can you pastebin the entire output please, not just five lines? :)
[18:33] <jhutchins> Turingii: I don't suppose it's allocated 4GB to video ram?
[18:33] <sheap> bekks: sensitive data :|
[18:33] <Turingii> OerHeks: there are 2 DDR2 banks and 2 DDR3 banks, I am currently using the DDR3 memory (the CPU actually doesn't work with DDR2)
[18:34] <bekks> sheap: There is no sensitive data in apt error messages.
[18:34] <jhutchins> Turingii: Might be a good idea to check for a BIOS update.
[18:34] <Turingii> jhutchins: hm... it has a discrete GPU so that should not be the case
[18:34] <sheap> bekks: that's the error line :)
[18:34] <Turingii> jhutchins: bios is up to date and latest version
[18:34] <jhutchins> Turingii: Does it have an embedded one as well?
[18:34] <bekks> sheap: There is no sensitive data in the entire apt output.
[18:34] <sheap> bekks: that's the error line :)
[18:34] <Turingii> jhutchins: yes, there is an onboard gpu, not connected to any monitor though
[18:34] <OerHeks> Turingii, so that pastebin is showing ddr2, and you are using ddr3 ....
[18:35] <bekks> Thats not the full output. Pastebin it please.
[18:35] <Turingii> jhutchins: and two screens hanging off the discrete gpu
[18:35] <russellbri> OK found a workaround for missing network indicator. System Settings -> Network (a pretty nice UI I didn't know was there!) That'll do untill hopefully a future update will fix it :)
 Ahhh probably i was using gedit for a quick change
[18:35] <Turingii> OerHeks: oh, interesting
[18:35] <russellbri> Have a good evening all :)
[18:35] <Turingii> OerHeks: there are definitely two sticks of DDR3 in it
[18:36] <OerHeks> Turingii, as bank1 does not say ddr2, i wonder if you have put ddr3 there ... lots of mystery
[18:36] <Turingii> OerHeks: you can't put DDR3 sticks in DDR2 slots
[18:37] <derjur> how do i disable nginx autostart in trusty?  (tried echo "manual" >> /etc/init/nginx.override)
[18:37] <jhutchins> Turingii: The MB could be allocating the memory to the onboard gpu even if it's not in use.
[18:38] <cobracommand> just curious, what major feature are you using in 14.04 that you weren't using in 12.04?
[18:38] <squinty>  russel
[18:39] <reisio> cobracommand: contemporaneousness
[18:40] <cobracommand> reisio: what?
[18:40] <bynarie> YAY: current kernel now is 3.17
[18:40] <bynarie> woohoo!
[18:41] <bynarie> d
[18:43] <gompa> on 14.10 libvirt keeps asking for a password when trying to connect to ssh+qemu (and the server receives the wrong password) but iam 100% sure iam using the right password ( i can login with it over virsh) anyone else having this problem ?
[18:43] <koke> exit
[18:43] <OerHeks> gompa, join #ubuntu+1 for utopic help untill release
[18:43] <jhutchins> Turingii: You might try different kernels, different live CDs would make that easy.  REsearch your chipset on google.
[18:44] <bynarie> Turingii, the new kernel of 3.17 is avail now.. maybe update and try it
[18:46] <gompa> oerheks i tought of asking it here too couse the target ( the host running qemu is a 14.04 server)
[18:46] <OerHeks> bynarie, really, update?
[18:48] <Gabi> how can i run or move a file named -file
[18:48] <Gabi> with - infront
[18:50] <OerHeks> Gabi use mv "-file" /path/to/destination # i wonder how you get a - in your filename
[18:51] <reisio> Gabi: mv --
[18:51] <Gabi> its saying mv: invalid option -- 's'
[18:52] <reisio> you said it was named '-file', not '-sOMETHING'!
[18:52] <reisio> YOU LIED TO ME
[18:52] <Gabi> :P
[18:53] <Gabi> how can be that different
[18:54] <reisio> Gabi: hrmm?
[18:54] <killjews> sieg HEIL
[18:54] <killjews> SIEG
[18:54] <killjews> HEIL
[18:55] <Gabi> im trying to rename a file named "-sharp" so i can run it
[18:55] <reisio> yarp
[18:55] <reisio> Gabi: as I said, mv -- -sharp foo
[18:55] <OerHeks> !ops | killjews
[18:56] <killjews> SIEG
[18:56] <phunyguy> heh
[18:57] <Gabi> and if i want to run the file directly with -
[18:57] <Gabi> its that possible ?
[18:57] <reisio> Gabi: do what?
[18:57] <Gabi> run the -sharp file
[18:57] <Gabi> ./-sharp doenst work
[18:57] <OerHeks> Gabi why does that file have such a name
[18:57] <Gabi> protection by author . dunno
[18:58] <Wollie88> Gabi, If posible why not rename it
[18:58] <reisio> Gabi: chmod +x
[18:58] <eeee> ^^
[19:00] <Wollie88> reisio, he wants to move it, why would you want to make it executable
[19:00] <eeee> Wollie88: he wants to run it
[19:00] <Wollie88> eeee, sorry i misread
[19:01] <Wollie88> eeee, sorry thought he wanted to move it
[19:07] <david38400> can anyone please tell me how to the get Pounds Sterling Symbol on my keybardo?
[19:07] <david38400> hello
[19:07] <phunyguy> patience.
[19:07] <billyzed_> is it me you're looking for?
[19:09] <bekks> billyzed_: You arent Lionel Richie ;)
[19:09] <billyzed_> on the internet, you can be whoever you dream
[19:10] <david38400> Does anyone know how to find the symbol for the Pound Sterling please?
[19:11] <martijn_> Hold down the Alt key, on the numerical keypad press 0163, then release the Alt key.
[19:12] <reisio> david38400: CTRL+SHIFT+u, a3, ENTER
[19:15] <helpmeplease2> Hi All, Appreciated that this isn't the correct channel to go to however could someone please point me in the direction of a channel that provides support for mental health, and no I'm not trolling
[19:16] <OerHeks> !alis
[19:17] <david38400> reisio, did that any my keyboard doesnt work, had to use an old one with usb instead of wireless. What happened?
[19:17] <david38400> Any way I can reset the keyboard please?
[19:18] <david38400> reisio: I did ctrl+shift+u, a3, enter and my keyboard doesnt work
[19:18] <david38400> How can I reset the keyboard ??? ANY HELP PLEASE
[19:19] <david38400> Can anyone help please: My wireless keyboard needs resetting how can I do it
[19:21] <liquidcandy> Hi, I've been having problems with a broadcom wireless card and have tried everything I know to do to fix the problem. I need someone who is willing to walk my through this until the problem is fixed. Please don't give me links (I've read the main ones and tried their solns already). Is there anyone who will walk through this with me?
[19:24] <genii> liquidcandy: Did you already try the link provided by the bot's !broadcom factoid?
[19:25] <liquidcandy> genii: which is that?
[19:25] <genii> !broadcom | liquidcandy
[19:26] <hero1> Need help
[19:27] <genii> hero1: Details might help.
[19:27] <hero1> Just accidentally delete my ubuntu and merge the memory  partition given to ubuntu to main memory
[19:28] <hero1> Now after restarting my pc grub is coming
[19:28] <hero1> Now what should i do
[19:28] <hero1> ?
[19:28] <hero1> Genii
[19:29] <liquidcandy> that's one of em, yes. Last night I was innundated with links, I've tried multiple drivers linux-firmware-nonfree, bcmwl-kernel-source, broadcom-sta, b43-fwcutter, and firmware-b43-installer. Only the last of which seems to make any progress but the progress is decieving bc
[19:29] <genii> hero1: By "memory partition" do you mean hard drive partition?
[19:29] <bekks> hero1: Either restore your backup or reinstall your computer from a cd.
[19:29] <liquidcandy> well it's seems to be erattic behavior
[19:29] <liquidcandy> I'm sick of it
[19:29] <Bashing-om> hero1: "accidentally delete my ubuntu" do you mena that the operating system no longer exists to boot up ?
[19:29] <genii> liquidcandy: Unfortunately most of the Broadcoms are utterly craptastic
[19:30] <hero1> Bashing-om : yeah
[19:31] <hero1> Genii: yeah hard disk
[19:31] <Bashing-om> hero1: OK, so what is your end goal ?
[19:31] <hero1> Just wannt my cousin laptop working
[19:31] <liquidcandy> genii: Tell me aboiut it. I've owned 2 other laptops in the past that had it, I worked the steps and they worked fine. This pos lappy I have now doesn't even work when I follow the steps. I'm totally out of steam on this
[19:31] <hero1> Condition
[19:31] <hero1> Bashing-om
[19:32] <genii> hero1: From your description, a re-install seems the best
[19:32] <dine909> intel video drivers on 14.04 someone kill me
[19:32] <hero1> Ok...let me try this
[19:32] <liquidcandy> Not only is my problem the bcm card but I happen to have acquired a Pavillion dv6000 (circa 2007). If there is a worse lappy for linux I don't know of it.
[19:32] <hero1> Tjx
[19:32] <hero1> Thx
[19:32] <Bashing-om> hero1: As the OS has been removed, the final solution is - as advised - (re-)install .. IF there is data to be recovered -> 1st approximation is "testdisk" .
[19:33] <genii> liquidcandy: I think if I were you, I'd find out what kind of slot the adapter is in, and purchase something cheap that works , to swap out for.
[19:33] <hero1> Bashing-om : testdisk
[19:34] <hero1> ??
[19:34] <hero1> I dont wana data recoverd
[19:34] <Bashing-om> hero1: Testdisk, to try and recover data.
[19:34] <hero1> Just want my sister laptop in working condition
[19:34] <NotreDev> how could i reformat / stylize a bunch of html files … e.g. for i in $(…); do what?; done
[19:34] <eeee> hero1: it was your cousin's a min ago :P
[19:35] <Bashing-om> hero1: Then, just install ubuntu.
[19:35] <bekks> NotreDev: for file in *.html; do ...; done
[19:35] <eeee> hero1: when you say accidentally removed, do you mean just the partition table ? you deleted the partition entry?
[19:35] <NotreDev> bekks: yeah i got that… but i’m looking for help on the formatting bit of it
[19:35] <NotreDev> not the loop part :)
[19:36] <hero1> Eeee:  in my religion we just call brother and sister not cousion
[19:36] <hero1> eeee: yes...i deleted it
[19:36] <Bashing-om> hero1: is ubuntu to be the -only- operating system on the computer in quesstion ?
[19:36] <eeee> ok, you can probably recover the partition using testdisk
[19:37] <eeee> hero1: you can boot a liveusb and get the partition entry back, sudo apt-get install testdisk
[19:37] <hero1> Linuxmint and win 8 also
[19:38] <Bashing-om> hero1: eeee ^^ is the guru of testdisk.
[19:38] <bekks> NotreDev: Then you have to explain what "formating" means in that context. What do you want to do actually?
[19:38] <hero1> Finally Its working guys .....thx
[19:39] <Bashing-om> her
[19:39] <NotreDev> i think it’s pretty straightforward actually. your response had nothing to do with formatting. you reiterated the bash for loop that i’d stated. i’m looking for input on a formatter for html files. for example, html tidy
[19:39] <Bashing-om> hero1: :)
[19:44] <NGC3982> Oh hai.
[19:44] <cyberdine> Ok guys, looking for seriouse answers to a very seriouse life problem.... someties the best solution is to throw the problem in a think tank and see what comes out the other end....
[19:44] <cyberdine> life and death may depend on what answers I get today
[19:45] <Jordan_U> cyberdine: Unless the question is an Ubuntu support question, you should find a more appropriate channel.  I've set up a launcher on another user's LAN box (nautilus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... this provides a good interface for the client user ... except user would like to use nautilus search sometimes, which seems to crash the sftp connection ... have googled this for a couple weeks with no solution
[19:46] <cyberdine> I am a COMPLETE dependant living up in the seria nevada mountains.... I have gran mal siezure disorders many other health related issues and am now having the mat pulled out from onder me.
[19:46] <daftykins> Tex_Nick: use a proper file system mount instead
[19:46] <cyberdine> I have nobody to go to, no friends, no family... I;'ve been well cut off from the world for several tears now
[19:46] <cyberdine> *years
[19:46] <Jordan_U> cyberdine: That doesn't sound like an Ubuntu support question. While I sympathise, this is the wrong channel for this discussion.
[19:47] <cyberdine> I'm on ubuntu?
[19:47] <cyberdine> lol
[19:47] <daftykins> not good enough.
[19:47] <daftykins> take it elsewhere
[19:47] <cyberdine> their 1300 people here cmon lol
[19:47] <cyberdine> 1700 lol
[19:47] <daftykins> !ot
[19:47] <cyberdine> I'm def new to ubuntu
[19:47] <Jordan_U> cyberdine: All the more reason to keep out offtopic chatter.
[19:47] <cyberdine> first time using it was yesterday
[19:48] <cyberdine> So, then were should I take it?
[19:48] <Jordan_U> cyberdine: #ubuntu-offtopic is one option.
[19:48] <cyberdine> so....
[19:48] <Tex_Nick> daftykins: thanks for repla, but you please provide a bit more info ... I don't need to be walked thru step by step ... just pointed in a good direction
[19:48] <Tex_Nick> reply*
[19:48] <genii> cyberdine: To change channels:  /join #channelname
[19:49] <dine909> is there a trick to getting an ivy bridge i3's hd4000 video drivers working correctly? i have really poor performance in opengl
[19:49] <daftykins> Tex_Nick: what OSs between these hosts?
[19:49] <dine909> on 14.04
[19:49] <daftykins> Tex_Nick: they're on a local LAN together, too?
[19:49] <Tex_Nick> daftykins: yeah both on local LAN ... ubuntu 14.04
[19:50] <daftykins> Tex_Nick: look into NFS and samba
[19:51] <Tex_Nick> daftykins: samba :((( ... ok sir that might be what I have to do ... hey thanks for reply
[19:57] <smart_developer> What does it mean when you get a message saying that "rsyslogd was HUPed" ??
[19:57] <smart_developer> :)
[19:58] <sunkist> After studying `man hier' on ubuntu, I determined that my custom compiled binaries ought to install there.  But I am writing some interpreted code for deployment on ubuntu that is broken into many files.  Should I copy them all to /usr/local/bin ?  Should I just symlink to the main program and put all the files in /opt?
[19:59] <guntbert> smart_developer: you probably type something like    sudo service rsyslog reload   , which sent a signal  "SIGHUP" (was once HangUp) to let it relaod its settings
[19:59] <Pici> sunkist: That sounds logical to me, and what I do with my stuff. Then again, I do do much stuff with binaries.
[20:00] <IRBIS> Hi all, help to solve the problem with the Animations Add-It's like you can get it back, OS 14.04.1
[20:00] <sunkist> 300
[20:02] <sunkist> Thanks Pici.  I know that some files in /usr/bin are scripts instead of binaries.  Stuff like update-rc.d or start-stop-daemon...
[20:02] <IRBIS> So do not who do not know where this package?
[20:03] <sunkist> Pici: but those scripts are mostly monolithic and don't need a bunch of includes besides a single common system bash include.
[20:03] <smart_developer> guntbert : what's the difference between "service rsyslog restart", and "service rsyslog reload" ??
[20:03] <mrflibbl2> hi guys, I'd like to swap the operation of "Super+w" and "Super", so that just pressing "Super" brings up the window spread. Any idea how I change the key bindings?
[20:04] <sunkist> None of my stuff is system essential like that so I can't just put my files in the same place.
[20:04] <Pici> smart_developer: Typically, reload means to keep the process running but to reprocesses the config files. Restart actually restarts the daemon.  Not all services make a distinction between the two.
[20:06] <guntbert> smart_developer: restart consists of   stop; start    - reload keeps the service running, just lets it reread its config (of course it depends on the service, which signals cause what)
[20:06] <IRBIS> So that no one will help solve the problem?
[20:07] <guntbert> !patience | IRBIS
[20:07] <yanick> hi, I am puzzled about Lubuntu; I have downloaded the amd64 ISO, installed it on this 64-bit machine and, yet, "uname -a" says it's x86_64. I have installed VirtualBox, but I cannot create a 64-bit machine. ... is Lubuntu 64-bit or not?
[20:07] <Pici> IRBIS: Can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you are trying to ask.
[20:07] <zykotick9> IRBIS: to be honest, i "personally" have no idea what your issue is...  if english is not your 1st language, perhaps you should try another channel?
[20:07] <charettes> Was there any report of high CPU usage on 14.04 in the past few days? I just did my daily update and now I have one of my two core always using 100%...
[20:08] <eeee> charettes: which processes?
[20:09] <mrflibbl2> yanick: could it be your chipset doesn't support virtualization properly?
[20:09] <charettes> eeee: it doesn't show up using top, it looks like something is happening at the kernel level :/
[20:09] <mrflibbl2> I don't know a great deal about VirtualBox, but some virtualisation software (eg, Hyper V) depend on the CPU supporting the virtualisation extensions
[20:10] <mrflibbl2> could this be the problem?
[20:10] <yanick> mrflibbl2, that's possible. It's some recycled old laptop. But that'd be the first time I get this "issue" with VBox
[20:10] <mrflibbl2> oh ok
[20:11] <charettes> eeee: is there a way to diagnose kernel level processes?
[20:11] <yanick> mrflibbl2, still, why VBox could not create a 64-bit VM under a 64-bit env?
[20:11] <zykotick9> yanick: you might want to ask in #vbox
[20:11] <mrflibbl2> good question
[20:12] <arrowsatanas> Where can you change the hello tune. Good evening, dear Ubuntu Community
[20:12] <charettes> I guess I'll try rebooting with an old kernel and see what happens...
[20:12] <eeee> charettes: no idea
[20:13] <yanick> alright
[20:13] <mrflibbl2> yanick: https://communities.vmware.com/thread/440322
[20:13] <IRBIS> Sorry for my english I have a problem associated with сopizom, no animations add in ubuntu 14.04, in Google too dull. who have experienced this.
[20:13] <IRBIS> Yes, in another channel I can not there are no people.
[20:13] <mrflibbl2> i know it's vmware, but it's a similar problem
[20:13] <IRBIS> compiz
[20:14] <arrowsatanas> In the system configuration I was not able to find.
[20:14] <mrflibbl2> yanick: i guess the other thing is it could be a bios settings
[20:14] <yanick> mrflibbl2, yeah, I just thought I'd go check right now :)
[20:14] <mrflibbl2> I know it was disabled on my new laptop for some reason. I had to enable VT-X specifically
[20:15] <mrflibbl2> maybe due to power useage? i have no idea why, seems a bit silly, as it doesn't normally affect non-VM software as far as I can tell
[20:16] <chasse21611> Hello, I am 59 dad and have a 10 year old daughter.  We are looking to install Ubuntu on our computer.  if we need help will someone here be able  here  be able to help us.  We also are going to get a book or two from the library.
[20:16] <arrowsatanas> please can someone explain how I can change the hello tune at startup
[20:16] <eeee> arrowsatanas: sudo apt-get install dconf-editor
[20:17] <arrowsatanas> thanks
[20:17] <IRBIS> Куда делось сгорание окон огнем в убунту 14,04
[20:17] <eeee> arrowsatanas: then com > canonical > unity-greeter
[20:17] <IRBIS> Where did the fire burn windows in Ubuntu 14.04
[20:18] <zykotick9> chasse21611: i don't think anyone here has a working crystalball for seeing the future... but "maybe"...
[20:18] <eeee> arrowsatanas: not sure if you can change it from there though, just checked and it says enable sound or not
[20:18] <guntbert> chasse21611: you will probably not get someone to accompany the whole process - but if you have specific problems just ask
[20:18] <eeee> arrowsatanas: pretty sure you could change the actual file that gets played though
[20:18] <arrowsatanas> It is probably a lock file to the specified directory can not be accessed. Is there any other solution other than apt-get?
[20:19] <IRBIS> Where did the fire burn windows in Ubuntu 14.04
[20:19] <eeee> arrowsatanas: do you want to turn it off?
[20:19] <eeee> you can use gsettings
[20:19] <eeee> hold on
[20:19] <mrflibbl2> arrowsatanas: i think all the sound files are here: /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo
[20:20] <arrowsatanas> No, at the login screen. So after startup
[20:20] <eeee> arrowsatanas: gsettings set com.canonical.unity-greeter play-ready-sound false
[20:20] <eeee> that's for the login sound i think, when lightdm appears
[20:21] <mrflibbl2> arrowsatanas: i think that's the "system ready" sound
[20:21] <arrowsatanas> No scheme found
[20:22] <eeee> yup i found the sound as mrflibbl2 suggested
[20:22] <arrowsatanas> In which directory do I have to see
[20:22] <mrflibbl2> on mine, system ready is a link to dialog-question
[20:22] <eeee> /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/system-ready.ogg
[20:23] <mrflibbl2> kind of "bongo drums" sound for me
[20:23] <yanick> mrflibbl2, seems like I'm in no luck. The CPU does support VT-x, but Acer was lazy and put a dumb Phoenex BIOS in there, thus no VT options.
[20:23] <eeee> yeah same here
[20:23] <yanick> mrflibbl2, thank you though
[20:23] <mrflibbl2> :( arse
[20:24] <sefai> hi all
[20:24] <IRBIS> Where additional animations in compiz?
[20:24] <arrowsatanas> Path not on my system, at least not in that order
[20:24] <ubu00> hi, how can I decrypt my HOME on my old-HDD, I remember the password but not the passphrase?
[20:25] <eeee> arrowsatanas: are you on ubuntu 14.04?
[20:25] <arrowsatanas> yes
[20:26] <zykotick9> IRBIS: historically, NO idea if it's current, the Burn-effect was included in compiz-plugins-extra
[20:27] <arrowsatanas> I have connected different media, even when disconnect is not the terminal path.
[20:28] <IRBIS> How to get it back, if removed
[20:28] <arrowsatanas> Is not there like a directory tree in Linux?
[20:29] <zykotick9> IRBIS: is compiz-pluginx-extra installed?  if not, install it...
[20:29] <genii> !fhs | arrowsatanas Yep.
[20:30] <arrowsatanas> ubottu kannst du deutsch?
[20:30] <Pici> !de | arrowsatanas
[20:31] <mrflibbl2> arrowsatanas: you mean on the command line?
[20:31] <IRBIS> все установлено , а модуля нет
[20:31] <IRBIS> everything installed, and no module
[20:31] <rubiksmomo> What's wrong with my deja-dup backup app? It worked fine for a week. Now it's asking for encryption password when it tries to run a backup. It just keeps asking, even if I input the correct one.
[20:31] <chasse21611> I understand that you can not stand here and tell us things but if we have a question we can try here
[20:32] <Jordan_U> chasse21611: Yes, you can always try here and we'll do the best we can to help :)
[20:33] <chasse21611> thank you for the help, bye
[20:33] <Bashing-om> chasse21611: IF ubuntu is to be the only operating system on the box, the process is very simple.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> chasse21611: You're welcome.
[20:34] <at_work> I'm using virt-manager on 14.04, normally the view snapshots feature is available in the gui.  In my case it is grayed out.  Any suggestions as to the cause?
[20:34] <arrowsatanas> no i search the folder
[20:34] <bynarie> Is a linux shell script similar in a way to a batch file on windows? Just term commands shoved into a file???
[20:34] <arrowsatanas> in german support is no a guy
[20:34] <zykotick9> bynarie: yes
[20:34] <bynarie> thank u
[20:35] <ubu00> done: "# ecryptfs-recover-private"
[20:35] <okay> is there any way that one can view the live code the os is running in the background?
[20:36] <IRBIS> I so understood that the method further animation does not to return?
[20:36] <Jordan_U> bynarie: Yes, though bash has many more programming features than cmd.exe does, and so while a bash script can be as simple as a list of commands it can also be much more complex.
[20:36] <zykotick9> ubu00: honestly, encrypted-home is kinda weak IMO...  i'd use FDE via LUKS if encryption is important to you, but YMMV.  best of luck.
[20:37] <bynarie> ok
[20:37] <ubu00> zykotick9, indeed, that was  my old HDD. My new one is fully encrypted with LUKS
[20:37] <Turingi> OerHeks, jhutchins, bynarie, loki__: well, after booting into the ubuntu liveCD it saw the 8GB of memory, then rebooting normally saw the installed Ubuntu recognize the memory too. Thanks for the assist, though I have no idea how things got solved :)
[20:38] <loki__> Turingi, lol.
[20:38] <bynarie> awesome!
[20:38] <caskaid> Anyone familiar with openshot on Ubuntu here?
[20:38] <IRBIS> I probably never will learn the rules is not your English .私はおそらくあなたの英語でないルールを学習しませんでし...
[20:38] <bynarie> Turingi, youve been working that issue for a while now!
[20:38] <IRBIS> Нал всем пока )
[20:38] <IRBIS> Лан*
[20:39] <eeee> caskaid: i've tried it once
[20:39] <loki__> IRBIS, поке.
[20:39] <caskaid> eeee, gotcha.. I'm looking for help resolving a constant segfault issue
[20:40] <caskaid> eeee, was trying to find someone that had an answer
[20:40] <eeee> oh ok
[20:40] <ubu00> zykotick9, btw, is FDE not important to someone? ;)
[20:40] <zykotick9> ubu00: it's not important to anyone who doesn't care about securing powered-off machines ;)
[20:43] <ubu00> zykotick9, lol
[20:46] <bisu_>  !bot | bisu_
[20:54] <Voyage>  Line 13,21,28 http://pastebin.com/qEnw6NFR    Cant send email by phpmailer via sendmail-bin
[20:56] <gonyere> so, i'm an idiot and when trying to burn an iso to a usb stick (via sudo if=/dev/XXX of=blah) accidentally burnt it to my /home partition... which of the options listed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery is my best bet for any data recovery?
[20:57] <loki__> gonyere, lol.
[20:58] <loki__> gonyere, you are trying backup usb, or flash iso to usb?
[20:58] <gonyere> i was (attempting) to burn tails to a usb stick an put the wrong drive in... :p
[20:59] <gonyere> so now i have tails where my /home partition used to be...
[20:59] <netlar> I have two application in my usr->share->applications folder for Nautilus.  Can I get rid of one.  Here is the properties of both http://imgur.com/Nb39ACV
[21:01] <mrflibbl2> I'd like to swap the operation of "Super+w" and "Super", so that just pressing "Super" brings up the window spread. Any idea how I change the key bindings?
[21:02] <OerHeks> Turingi, one thing that comes in my mind, after installing the memory, did you just boot, or went into the bios ( this step is needed to programm your bios to accept the new value)
[21:02] <theadmin> mrflibbl2: You will need to install and use the CompizConfig Settings Manager for that.
[21:02] <loki__> gonyere, if = input file/device, of = output file/device
[21:02] <mrflibbl2> cool, i've got that far then :)
[21:02] <zykotick9> mrflibbl2: 1) i certainly have NO idea how but 2) are you sure this is a good idea?  'cause it would mean super+ANYTHING wouldn't be available...
[21:02] <Turingi> OerHeks: no, just reboot into livecd and reboot after that
[21:02] <gonyere> yeah, that...
[21:02] <zykotick9> theadmin: hey
[21:02] <mrflibbl2> zykotick9: it would, cos super on it's own brings up the launcher
[21:03] <OerHeks> Turingi, no before that, did you enter the bios?
[21:03] <gonyere> only i put sda5 where it ought to have been sdb5 or something...
[21:03] <Tex_Nick> gonyere: Linus Torvalds tells a similar story about the inception of linux ... he accidentally wrote a bunch of ATDT parameters to his MINIX partition instead of to his modem
[21:03] <mrflibbl2> and it worked in this way on ubuntu 12
[21:03] <gonyere> an formatted my /home - i know exactly what i did wrong, I'm wondering if there's any hope for recovery of any of my files, an if so, what I should try first
[21:03] <Turingi> OerHeks: nope
[21:03] <Turingi> OerHeks: the bios already sat the 8gb before I noticed ubuntu didn't
[21:03] <Turingi> saw
[21:04] <OerHeks> Turingi, that is the issue i think, you passed the enter-the-bios step.
[21:04] <OerHeks> oke
[21:04] <gonyere> Tex_Nick lol, its not like its the first time I've lost data messing about in linux, i'm sure it won't be the last... :p
[21:04] <mrflibbl2> theadmin: ok, i'm in compizconfig settings manager
[21:04] <theadmin> mrflibbl2: (you're on your own there, I haven't used that tool in ages)
[21:04] <mrflibbl2> oh :(
[21:05] <mrflibbl2> that's as far as I got. the key bindings section is not what i was expecting
[21:05] <theadmin> mrflibbl2: You'll want to fiddle aroudn with the Unity plugins
[21:06] <mrflibbl2> unity tweak tool lists the "super+w" command, but you can't change it
[21:06] <mrflibbl2> (in the window spread) section
[21:09] <mrflibbl2> unity plugin - that's close
[21:10] <mrflibbl2> I can change the show desktop shortcut, which is also something i wanted to change
[21:12] <gonyere> interesting to note ubuntu installation still shows it existing at its correct size of 434 odd mb... i know its at the end of the hd with a 50gb root partition and a 16gb swap... where should i tell gparted rescue to find the partion? is it looking for info in mb? gb? bytes?
[21:16] <wsr3193> server irc.ircstorm.net
[21:17] <ilhami> hello
[21:17] <Klas5> hello guys
[21:18] <Klas5> I have a laboratory, and the instructions say to bring a linux/mac which has X11 installed
[21:18] <Klas5> would that just be say, xauth? or do I need like xorg and the server.. things? as well
[21:18] <ilhami> X11 is preinstalled on many Linux dists :D right?
[21:19] <Klas5> is there an easy way to check for it? googling just told me how to install it (or well, client and server version)
[21:19] <Gl4di4t0r> What does "enable roaming mode" in Network Settings mean ???
[21:21] <ilhami> Klas5, if you have GUI then you most likely have X11
[21:21] <Klas5> Gl4di4t0r, I think that is usually connected to a sim card (called mobile internet here)
[21:21] <Bashing-om> Klas5: Terminal command -> X -version to determine the x-server version ???
[21:21] <jhutchins> Klas5: It's the default GUI for most Linux systems, an add-on extra for Apple.
[21:21] <vitimiti> Hi
[21:22] <ilhami> vitimiti,
[21:22] <ilhami> hi
[21:22] <erikk> A while ago I disabled UEFI boot and installed Ubuntu. Now I want to get back to my Windows install to play some Windows only games. How can I restore my Windows installation?
[21:22] <Klas5> Gl4di4t0r, so say, you "roam" for network operators on 3g/4g
[21:22] <jhutchins> Gl4di4t0r: I think that might be a mode where it connects to new access points as you move from one range to another.  Not the same thing as cellular roaming.
[21:23] <Gl4di4t0r> Ok thank you :)
[21:23] <ilhami> erikk, ask in #windows :D
[21:23] <ilhami> or ##windows
[21:24] <Klas5> Ok, so I probably have it then..
[21:24] <ilhami> Yeah :)
[21:24] <ilhami> you have Ubuntu installed?
[21:24] <erikk> ilhami: Maybe in a bit. I thought people here would have more experience with it
[21:25] <erikk> ilhami: Who, me? Yes
[21:25] <ilhami> erikk, do you have Windows cd or on a USB?
[21:25] <jhutchins> erikk: I haven't messed with Windows since 2004.
[21:25] <erikk> ilhami: No
[21:25] <ilhami> I was asking Klas5
[21:25] <erikk> jhutchins: Anecdotal evidence, not indicative of entire room
[21:25] <ilhami> ikonia, show off :D
[21:25] <ikonia> ?
[21:25] <Klas5> ilhami, yes I have ubuntu
[21:26] <ilhami> just kidding dude
[21:26] <ilhami> haha
[21:26] <jhutchins> Klas5: Then you have X11!
[21:26] <ilhami> Klas5, then you have X11
[21:26] <ilhami> erikk, you can't just restore to Windows without a Windows CD or USB.
[21:27] <erikk> ilhami: Are you speaking exclusively about UEFI boot computers?
[21:27] <grkblood> ever since updating to ubuntu 14 whenever my laptop goes into sleep mode my wireless shuts off. how do I make it so it'll stay on?
[21:27] <ilhami> Windows = not free, Linux = free :)
[21:27] <nwilson5_> google's dns <IP_ADDRESS> is down?
[21:27] <ilhami> erikk, you have dual boot?
[21:27] <erikk> ilhami: Because I know for a fact that bios systems can definitely restore
[21:27] <eeee> erikk: if you have a recovery partition you can restore windows
[21:27] <erikk> ilhami: I don't have dual boot setup. I have them both installed but disabling uefi disabled easy access to windows
[21:27] <Ajkthx> test\
[21:27] <Ajkthx> thanks
[21:27] <erikk> ilhami: So now I have to fix the issue to regain access
[21:27] <eeee> erikk: ah wait, you disabled UEFI? then just enable it
[21:28] <erikk> ilhami: Not hard to work with grub on bios, but this new uefi stuff has me confused
[21:28] <ilhami> erikk, then enable it.
[21:28] <erikk> eeee: That didn't work for me. I get something like (paraphrased) "no bootable devices"
[21:28] <bynarie> erikk, can you access ur bios?
[21:28] <bynarie> turn legacy boot off
[21:29] <erikk> bynarie: Which is the same as turning uefi back on, right?
[21:29] <erikk> bynarie: Which gives me the "no bootable devices" issue
[21:29] <ilhami> erikk, have you checked Google?
[21:29] <erikk> I'll probably end up trying it again just to refresh my memory and then will come back and say that is what happened
[21:29] <erikk> ilhami: Yes
[21:29] <ilhami> and no results there?
[21:29] <eeee> erikk: maybe you need to fix the mbr?
[21:30] <ilhami> eeee, maybe means "I am not sure" :D haha
[21:30] <ilhami> let's be careful hehe
[21:30] <eeee> that's why i said maybe
[21:30] <eeee> :)
[21:31] <simonor> erikk:have you tried booting a live Linux distro on a pen drive?
[21:31] <erikk> simonor: In the past, yes. Not sure what benefit that would give me now
[21:31] <grkblood> how do i prevent ubuntu from disabling wireless when my laptop goes to sleep?
[21:32] <eeee> erikk: is it win8?
[21:32] <ilhami> grkblood, be patient and someone might answer.
[21:32] <simonor> Erikk:would tell you if it's the mbr.
[21:32] <erikk> eeee: Yes
[21:32] <erikk> simonor: Hmm. I guess I could do that
[21:32] <eeee> if you have win8 + uefi, then you have gpt, if you disabled uefi and used legacy then you'd have bios-boot partition ( 1mb in size ) so gpt will work
[21:33] <eeee> are you sure the efi partition is still in tact?
[21:33] <erikk> eeee: What do you mean that gpt will work?
[21:33] <eeee> if you run bios + gpt, you need a 1mb bios-boot partition
[21:33] <tdj_> When I boot into Lubuntu, the lxpanel fails to show up. How can I reinstall it? I think this happened when I installed LXDE; if I choose the LXDE desktop on login, it works fine.
[21:33] <erikk> eeee: Not too knowledgeable on this. How do I check to see if the "efi partition is still in tact"
[21:33] <simonor> erikk: Tails 1.1 is efi compliant, not sure but probably Slax 7 as well.
[21:34] <eeee> erikk: boot a liveusb, and check your partition table ( sudo parted -l )
[21:35] <erikk> eeee: And then I'll be able to repair stuff from there if the mbr is messed up?
[21:35] <simonor> eeee,erikk:GParted live will give you partition details.
[21:35] <ilhami> tdj_, so lxde doesn't work properly?
[21:36] <eeee> erikk: if the mbr is messed up, you'll need a command prompt to run bcdboot /fixmbr
[21:36] <eeee> ( something like that )
[21:36] <eeee> you could try to boot your recovery partition to get a windows command prompt in the advanced options
[21:36] <tdj_> LXDE works fine actually, it's the Lubuntu desktop that doesn't. I also noticed that window decorations are missing (I was able to launch an application to display 0:0 from the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal). I think maybe I'm missing openbox? I just installed it now but will have to restart to see if that works.
[21:36] <eeee> it most likely won't boot though if the partition table has been modified
[21:37] <ilhami> tdj_, hmm ok.
[21:37] <eeee> erikk: if you have a windows cd that would be great
[21:37] <erikk> eeee: No disk drive or windows cd :P
[21:37] <simonor> eeee:you'd be surprised what you can get away with.
[21:37] <ilhami> erikk, then you are screwed.
[21:37] <ilhami> :D
[21:37] <ilhami> just kidding hehe
[21:38] <erikk> Also no usb ports
[21:38] <ilhami> erikk, lol
[21:38] <ilhami> old laptop?
[21:38] <ningu> is there a package like build-essential that includes autotools, bison/flex, etc.? things needed to generate the buildable stuff for some programs?
[21:38] <erikk> ilhami: I'm joking
[21:38] <eeee> simonor: you mean extracting the build.wim ?
[21:38] <ilhami> maybe you have a floppy disk drive :D
[21:38] <ningu> I know I can install them individually. just wondering if there is something that installs all that as a unit.
[21:38] <simonor> eeee:not that!
[21:38] <genii> ningu: build-essential exists
[21:39] <ningu> genii: build-essential doesn't install the stuff I just mentioned.
[21:39] <NGC3982> Hey, are there reliable terminal based Dropbox software out there?
[21:39] <simonor> Resizing, formatting additional
[21:39] <ilhami> NGC3982, check Google
[21:39] <mrflibbl2> hi guys, back again. compiz crashed and I couldnt select any windows :(
[21:40] <NGC3982> ilhami: :|
[21:40] <eeee> simonor: not following what you mean, you mean resizing the partitions would boot the recovery again, as it came in oem ?
[21:40] <erikk> Thanks guys
[21:40] <ilhami> erikk, you fixed it?
[21:40] <loki__> why creating dvd so long and heavy operation...
[21:40] <ilhami> loki__, ask the ones that invented it.
[21:40] <erikk> So I'll reboot, mess around with bios / uefi by hand for a bit. If that doesn't work, my best bet is to get a live usb and repair the presumably janked mbr?
[21:40] <loki__> i use mkisofs for this, and it said that it will go two hours.
[21:40] <mrflibbl2> any idea where the compiz settings are, so I can delete them and start again  - now when i log in, compiz crashes and I only get my desktop background and icons, and no launcher :(
[21:41] <loki__> ilhami, yeah, i dinner today with him.
[21:41] <erikk> I thought the mbr repair didn't work for uefi dual boot (from what I had read earlier online, but it has been a bit since I read it)
[21:41] <ilhami> haha
[21:41] <ningu> alternatively, say I want to know all ubuntu packages that depend on 'make'. can I look that up?
[21:41] <tdj__> So I logged out and back in, but lxpanel still didn't show up. I ran the lxterminal from the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal (although I had to "export DISPLAY=:0.0" first), and there was no window decoration. i ran "openbox" from that lxterminal window and now there is window decoration.
[21:41] <erikk> Here I go
[21:42] <tdj__> I was also able to run lxpanel after that, but it isn't themed like Lubuntu usually themes lxpanel -- it's the glossy piano black look that comes with LXDE
[21:42] <simonor> eeee:"for example". If it's a broken 'Doze, livelinux will get you to the dat, should be able to save it to a portable drive before reinstalling. Also there will likely be a repair option on the OEM disk.
[21:42] <ningu> aha. apt-cache rdepends does it.
[21:43] <ilhami> tdj__, reinstall lxde maybe? :)
[21:43] <mrflibbl2>  ck
[21:43] <mrflibbl2> oops
[21:44] <mrflibbl2> nice find ningu
[21:44] <tdj__> ilhami: Haha, I know :S I'd really rather not reinstall all of Lubuntu from scratch (this all happened as a result of upgrading a really outdated (but working) Lubuntu machine), but is there a way I can solve this with apt?
[21:44] <gimmic> hmm
[21:44] <ilhami> tdj__, probably but it may be a long process. :)
[21:44] <gimmic> did an update and now my time is missing from my unity bar
[21:44] <gimmic> also, in time/date settings, the clock tab is all greyed out
[21:45]  * mrflibbl2 sighs
[21:45] <mrflibbl2> i've had enough of compiz for one night. time for bed, gnite all!
[21:45] <ilhami> tdj__, which version of Lubuntu are you running?
[21:46] <gimmic> http://i.imgur.com/0tU7rn6.jpg?1
[21:46] <gimmic> anyone seen that?
[21:47] <ilhami> tdj__, and how did you upgrade?
[21:47] <gimmic> (and of course, the clock is missing)
[21:47] <simonor> gimmic:have you tired turning it off and on again?
[21:47] <gimmic> :|
[21:47] <tdj__> 14.04 -- I upgraded from 12.04 maybe? Using do-release-upgrade
[21:47]  * gimmic slams the reciver several times for emphasis
[21:48] <ilhami> tdj__, never do that dude.
[21:48] <ilhami> I heard it's bad to upgrade that way.
[21:48] <ilhami> anyway did you try : sudo apt-get install --reinstall lxpanel?
[21:48] <tdj__> oh :C
[21:48] <tdj__> ilhami: I believe I have, couldn't hurt doing it again
[21:48] <bekks> ilhami: Why would the supported way of upgrading using do-release-upgrade be a bad idea?
[21:49] <gimmic> simonor: I have, but I will try again. http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-12-29/
[21:49] <ilhami> bekks, I just read that somewhere. If I find that link I will post it. :D
[21:49] <bekks> ilhami: With just a few precautions (remove foreign packages, remove PPA and its packages), those upgrades work pretty fine.
[21:50] <simonor> gimmic:if that doesn't help, google :vague memory of cure by commandline
[21:52] <ilhami> tdj__, so your lxpanel is totally broken?
[21:52] <ilhami> right?
[21:54] <ilhami> tdj__, don't sleep dude.
[21:54] <Guido1> hello, i have two issues with xubuntu. http://superuser.com/questions/814975/lenovo-laptop-fn-ctrl-swap and waking up the laptop only workes if i disable usb 3.0. when can i expect a fix?
[21:55] <abdullatif> Hi
[21:56] <ilhami> abdullatif, hi
[21:57] <simonor> Cheerio chaps. Work tomorrow!
[21:57] <chachin> yay
[21:58] <ilhami> what about finding me a job ? :D
[21:58] <chachin> u toolazy to get up and find one yourself?
[21:58] <abdullatif> i need help with photo editors
[21:58] <ilhami> chachin, hard to find one here when your name is ilhami :D
[21:58] <ilhami> abdullatif, not the right place.
[21:59] <abdullatif> Oh sorry
[21:59] <ilhami> you can ask in ##photoshop maybe.
[21:59] <abdullatif> Thank u, have a nice day
[21:59] <ilhami> you too bruv
[22:00] <ilhami> Guest12345 get outta here bazhang_  haha
[22:00] <AR45> okay need some help installing some stuff on my ubuntu minimal desktop
[22:00] <loki__> help me please, i use mkisofs for create iso from folder. and i have problem, it is working slow, dunno why. i see that it read only 1mb speed and there no cpu usage.
[22:00] <ilhami> AR45, sure what do you need to install?
[22:00] <loki__> what i can try?
[22:00] <ilhami> another software :)
[22:01] <ilhami> hehe
[22:01] <loki__> it is very good software as i understand.
[22:01] <AR45> ilhami: i need my nvidia drivers and wifi drivers and a desktop environment
[22:01] <ilhami> loki__, search Google. :)
[22:02] <ilhami> AR45, I would suggest you download them first from their respective sites. And then always read the README files.
[22:02] <ilhami> which Desktop Environment do you want?
[22:14] <jjavaholic> can't add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" to xorg.conf in 14.04 where is the file i'm looking for now?
[22:15] <erikk> Well, I'm back. I'm on a live disk of Ubuntu. However, I think I have more serious issues. GParted shows one giant partition with a few really small ones but I thought I had the someting like 400 GB for Windows and 100 for Ubuntu. Does this mean that I probably fucked something up and overwrote Windows?
[22:15] <erikk> Or is this just an issue that I haven't fixed yet that is causing it to be mis interpreted
[22:16] <Bashing-om> jjavaholic: IF that file exists - /etc/X11/xorg.conf is tha path.
[22:17] <mtn> erikk: what format is the big partition?
[22:17] <AR45> how to determine the fastest mirror and set it on ubuntu minimal tty?
[22:17] <erikk> mtn: ext4
[22:18] <mtn> erikk: looks like windows is gone then
[22:18] <erikk> mtn: Damn
[22:18] <decwrl> Need some help getting an Intel X520 NIC (dual port 10GbE) working on Ubuntu 14.04.  Driver is loaded (lsmod shows the ixgbe driver) and hardware shows up (using lspci to check that).  But, ifconfig doesn't show the interfaces.
[22:18] <erikk> I swore on the ubuntu installer I selected a fresh partition that had no Windows on it
[22:18] <mtn> erikk: of course you had backup, right?
[22:18] <erikk> No clue how this happened though
[22:18] <erikk> mtn: :P
[22:19] <Bashing-om> erikk: Maybe :: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1265192
[22:20] <erikk> I don't know. I'm just confused how it didn't end up the way I thought the ubuntu installer clearly showed. But it is my fault for not having a backup
[22:21] <erikk> Any way GParted is not reading it correctly?
[22:21] <erikk> This is a continuation of the "not being able to boot into Windows" saga
[22:21] <sss> i have a question for ubuntu
[22:21] <erikk> So maybe there is still hope?
[22:21] <AR45> 18:17 <AR45> how to determine the fastest mirror and set it on ubuntu minimal tty?
[22:21] <erikk> I installed Ubuntu such that it boots only on legacy but Windows was set with UEFI + secure boot
[22:22] <AR45> erikk: read the wiki it explains this
[22:22] <Bashing-om> erikk: For confirmation I would _. sudo apt-get install gdisk , sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda . sudo parted -l .
[22:23] <sss> HDJJDJ
[22:23] <Rebecca92> hallo , in according as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical_sudo an user should not use sudo for graphical apps.... if it's true , why gksu and gksudo are not installed by default ?! it's strange!
[22:24] <ilhami> Rebecca92, shhh:D
[22:24] <Rebecca92> ilhami, ? :)
[22:24] <ilhami> hehe I was just kidding. I will brb-
[22:25] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: Only so much room an a DVD, and the transforation to depreciate "gksudo" is underway (???) .
[22:25] <erikk> AR45: Yeah, I see the wiki and have looked at it before but am still confused
[22:25] <Bashing-om> transformation *
[22:26] <Rebecca92> Bashing-om, i haven't "really" understood you
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: Gksudo and others are deprecated now and not recommended any more. Pkexec is the new boy but it is not straightforward either.
[22:27] <jeremy31> AR45: did my advise help you?
[22:27] <AR45> jeremy31: i didn't see a message from you
[22:28] <Rebecca92> Bashing-om, pkexec ? lol , i like . but.... anyone cannot update the wiki ? and .. it's installed by default in *buntu ?
[22:28] <PCworker> hello yall, Can anyone suggest a good business accounting program for ubuntu 14.04LTS??
[22:28] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: The reason they are no longer installed by default is that there are no GUI apps in the default install with launchers using gksudo/gksu. All default GUI apps that need elevated privileges most of the time now use PolicyKit to ask for specific privileges rather that having to run the whole app as root.
[22:28] <jeremy31> AR45: you aren't the one looking for help on a broadcom wifi chip a couple days ago?
[22:29] <Kevindf> does ubuntu server standard have iptables as firewall?
[22:29] <PCworker> jeremy31: Yep and It's all good now.
[22:29] <loki__> PCworker, today trend to move accounting to internet services.
[22:29] <AR45> jeremy31: oh yes I got the system going now i want to try minimal cd
[22:29] <loki__> there are plenty of them even in our mother russia.
[22:30] <jeremy31> AR45: good, just wanted to check since I hadn't seen you since
[22:30] <AR45> jeremy31: just wondering how to change my mirror list because it's downloading so slow
[22:30] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: Mind you I am still running 'gksudo' and have not explored 'pkexe' to this time. I am aware there are some hoops to jump through on occassion to get 'pkexe' functioning. In the futer we will have to learn 'pkexe' .
[22:30] <mtn> Kevindf: iptables is in the linux kernel, all distros have it.
[22:30] <Kevindf> I'm trying to add a rule to iptables with "sudo iptables -A INPUT -p udp –dport 9987 -j ACCEPT" but i get "Bad argument `–dport'" as error message, any ideas how to solve?
[22:31] <PCworker> loki: Yeah, I'm very new to torrent files and am not real sure how to extract and install them yet.
[22:31] <PCworker> loki: but am studying
[22:32] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Thanks for that ! .. Yeah .. had 'policykit' had slipped my mind.
[22:32] <AR45> You'd think Ubuntu would determine the fastest mirror near you but it dosen't!
[22:32] <Rebecca92> Bashing-om, i use fedora and pkexec is THE  standard... but reading the ubuntu wiki and  helping an user with ubuntu, i was surprised for the absence of gksudo
[22:32] <AR45> Does anyone know how to set the mirrors?
[22:32] <jeremy31> AR45: is this still relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: Understand that ! .. Many of our WIKIs are behind, We do need to pay greater attention and spend the time to update them.
[22:34] <Rebecca92> ook :D
[22:34] <squinty> AR45:  Software and Updates >  Download from > Other > Select Best Server
[22:35] <AR45> squinty: hehe i dont have any of those gui
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: "gksudo' is still available, terminal command -> sudo apt-get install gksu <- .
[22:35] <AR45> jeremy31: thanks
[22:36] <Rebecca92> Bashing-om, available != preinstallated
[22:36] <Kevindf> why do i get  Bad argument `–-sport' & Bad argument `–-dport' when trying to add -A INPUT -p udp -–dport 9987 -j ACCEPT to my iptables?
[22:36] <Kevindf> anyone know?
[22:37] <Bashing-om> Rebecca92: Granted .. just saying if the need exist for 'gksudo" to help your user, it is available.
[22:37] <wildwind> Kevindf: try --dport
[22:37] <ilhami> gksudo is the best package :P
[22:37] <ilhami> I like it :D
[22:37] <ilhami> brb
[22:37] <Rebecca92> Bashing-om, thank :D
[22:37] <PCworker> Bashing-om: I wanted to thank you for the help you gave me on terminal commands a couple months back. With your help and my willingness to learn, I was able to do the updates that I needed to get my machines working right. Thanks again.
[22:37] <Kevindf> tried that, then i get "Bad argument `–-dport' Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information."
[22:38] <wildwind> Kevindf: it's "-dport" in your first message
[22:38] <Kevindf> both -dport and --dport doesn't work
[22:38] <Bashing-om> PCworker: :) ... You are quite welcome .. This is 'buntu, we are all in this together.
[22:39] <Kevindf> when i do -dport it gives -dport bad argument error and when i try --dport it says --dport bad argument :(
[22:40] <PCworker> Bashing-om: Yes we are and I know where to go when I can't figure it out. LOL Thanks and see yall again later
[22:41] <gothicspeaker> Hello
[22:41] <gothicspeaker> I 'm having a problem in ubuntu and I need to know if I 'm hacked
[22:41] <wildwind> Kevindf: did you copy that command from a web page?
[22:41] <Kevindf> yes
[22:42] <Kevindf> from http://sathisharthars.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/configuring-voice-over-ip-server-teamspeak3-in-ubuntu-13-10/ in the middle of the page
[22:42] <mtn> gothicspeaker: you will have to explain your problem before anyone can know if they can help
[22:43] <wildwind> Kevindf: make sure it's really a dash and not some other Unicode symbol. It looks strange even in your error message.
[22:43] <gothicspeaker> mtn: Ok, I just started my computer. And when I clicked on the list where you can see all my users, a new one was added it seemed. My username is 'Roel' and normally I see 'guest' under my username. But now it says 'stream' under me and after that 'guest'. What is this?
[22:44] <Kevindf> Does "iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport 9987 -j ACCEPT" do tesame thing?
[22:44] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, LOL
[22:44] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: What's so funny?
[22:45] <gothicspeaker> I tried to look up what it means but I can't find any information on it
[22:45] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, what have you done?
[22:45] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: I have no idea.
[22:45] <ilhami> since you think you are under attack?
[22:46] <wildwind> Kevindf: same as what?
[22:46] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: Well, I don't know where this user called 'stream' comes from and I didn't add this user.
[22:46] <mtn> gothicspeaker: if you didn't add it, someone else at  your computer did
[22:47] <gothicspeaker> mtn: But I 'm the only one using this computer, so how is that possible?
[22:47] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, you have maybe been hacked. who knows? Maybe it was one of your friends?
[22:47] <ilhami> or your relative?
[22:47] <Kevindf> If there's any difference between "iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 9987 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -I INPUT 1 -p udp --dport 9987 -j ACCEPT"
[22:47] <mtn> gothicspeaker: it is one or the other. you decide ;)
[22:47] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: There are no friends or relatives using this computer
[22:47] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, maybe it was you :)
[22:47] <ilhami> have you been drinking lately?
[22:47] <ilhami> :D
[22:47] <mtn> heh
[22:47] <gothicspeaker> no
[22:47] <HyTronix> Does anyone have the touchpad on an Acer Aspire E15 working on 14.04?  I found some info indicating that this was supported in upstream kernel 3.17, so I upgraded to 3.17.0 but afterwards, the kernel locks on boot with an error message like "firmware bug IBS APIC setup failed -22" or similar... Ideas?
[22:48] <gothicspeaker> But are there ways in which users can suddenly be added to your users?
[22:48] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, just messing with ya. :)
[22:48] <mtn> gothicspeaker: is that user "stream" or "steam"?
[22:48] <gothicspeaker> mtn: "stream"
[22:48] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, sounds unlikely.
[22:48] <gothicspeaker> mtn: I 'm almost sure, shall I check it again?
[22:49] <mtn> gothicspeaker: check again
[22:49] <wildwind> Kevindf: yes, difference is in where the new rule go in a chain, to the start or to the end
[22:49] <gothicspeaker> mtn: Yes, he was called 'stream'
[22:50] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, I would say hacked.
[22:50] <mtn> gothicspeaker: no idea, but to be completely safe, you would reinstall. that is, if you are completely sure you or someone else at your location did not do it.
[22:51] <mtn> gothicspeaker: my bet is it was done locally and not because of any hack
[22:51] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, that has probably nothing to do with Ubuntu but with how you have used it. :D
[22:51] <mtn> indeed
[22:51] <gothicspeaker> mtn: Well, I recntly started learning programming languages, but I can't remember messing anything up
[22:52] <gothicspeaker> Is there a command line to see which users are active?
[22:52] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: Try to log in under that user and see what files he has
[22:53] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: How can I know his or her password?
[22:53] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: 'who'
[22:53] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: Why would 'who' be the password?
[22:53] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: is there a password?
[22:53] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: I don't know, let me check it now.
[22:53] <wildwind> 'who' is the command
 Is there a command line to see which users are active?
 'who' is the command
[22:54] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: who gives me :
[22:54] <mtn> gothicspeaker: you can look at the contents without logging in as the other user
[22:54] <gothicspeaker> roel    tty7
[22:54] <gothicspeaker> roel    pts/1
[22:54] <gothicspeaker> what does that mean?
[22:54] <gothicspeaker> mtn: How can I look at the content without logging in?
[22:54] <wildwind> !pastebin | gothicspeaker
[22:54] <ilhami> so your roel?
[22:54] <mtn> gothicspeaker: with your file manager. look in /home
[22:55] <ilhami> you're*
[22:55] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, is that your user? roel?
[22:55] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: the account I 'm currently at is indeed roel
[22:55] <k6_> hello, when I call "shutdown -h now" , my rc.d services don't get stopped properly, any idea why?
[22:55] <gothicspeaker> but under roel a user called "stream" appeared
[22:56] <gothicspeaker> I see one new file I think
[22:56] <gothicspeaker> homeroel.bashrc.save
[22:56] <gothicspeaker> in /home/roel
[22:56] <gothicspeaker> is that a normal file?
[22:56] <gothicspeaker> wildwind:  how do I use !pastebin?
[22:56] <Tex_Nick> gothicspeaker: will cat /etc/passwd provide any useful info ?
[22:56] <ilhami> http://paste.ubuntu.com go this site and paste it there
[22:57] <ilhami> and then give us the link it provides.
[22:57] <ilhami> the link in the url bar will work
[22:57] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: paste lines of text there and just links here
[22:57] <gothicspeaker> Tex_Nick: This is weird.  The last line says:       /home/stream:/bin/sh,   but when I look in /home, there is no directory called 'stream'
[22:58] <gothicspeaker> how can I copy from the command line?
[22:58] <ilhami> mark it and right click - > copy
[22:58] <gothicspeaker> ilhami:  If I right click it get's deselected
[22:58] <ilhami> which terminal do you use?
[22:59] <ilhami> in mine it works.
[22:59] <ilhami> I use LXTerminal.
[22:59] <mtn> ilhami: just highlight it and it is already copied
[22:59] <ilhami> mtn, oh ok. :)
[22:59] <mtn> ilhami: sorry, that was meant for gothicspeaker
[22:59] <Tex_Nick> gothicspeaker: to copy from command line ... hilight text, then right-click & choose copy
[22:59] <ilhami> Tex_Nick, it may differ from terminal
[23:00] <ilhami> to terminal*
[23:00] <Tex_Nick> ilhami: ahh ok sir ... thanks for correction :)
[23:00] <gothicspeaker> That doesn't work, and when I try CTRL + shift + V   it doesn't work
[23:00] <mtn> gothicspeaker: hightlight the test you want to copy, then paste using the middle mouse button
[23:00] <mtn> gothicspeaker: test/text
[23:00] <gothicspeaker> mtn: I use a laptop so the middle mouse isn't really working
[23:01] <mtn> gothicspeaker: hit both buttons at once, that is the same as middle mouse button
[23:01] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: do you have ssh server running?
[23:01] <ilhami> mtn knows all the tricks hehe :)
[23:01] <gothicspeaker> mtn: doesn't work
[23:01] <mtn> gothicspeaker: sorry
[23:02] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: I use PHP so I have a server running indeed, but when I installed it I didn't see this user called 'stream', I have a PHP server for more than 1 year now
[23:02] <ilhami> php is unsafe if you use it wrong. :)
[23:02] <list> vasco rossi
[23:02] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, and did you ever update those apache servers? Lol
[23:04] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: SSH server, not PHP. Bun PHP could be insecure too
[23:04] <wildwind> gothicspeaker: *But*
[23:08] <Tex_Nick> ^5 IdleOne
[23:09] <Joseph_> hello are there people online?
[23:11] <ilhami> lol why do people not just ask their questions ? :D
[23:11] <ilhami> instead of asking if there are people here.
[23:15] <wildwind> ilhami: maybe Joseph's client doesn't show him that there's 1660 people here...
[23:15] <JCT> i'm trying to move a file to a folder, but i can't and it looks like because permission is denied
[23:16] <daftykins> JCT: pastebin what you're running.
[23:16] <JCT> take a scrnshot?\
[23:16] <ilhami> wildwind, could be :)
[23:16] <daftykins> JCT: er no, you're doing it via terminal, yes?
[23:17] <JCT> well, yeah.
[23:17] <daftykins> sooo pastebin
[23:17] <JCT> i looked up how to install zandronum.
[23:17] <JCT> it installed itself to /usr/games
[23:17] <JCT> so i have to pastebin it
[23:17] <JCT> ok
[23:17] <JCT> what exactly is the command line?
[23:17] <daftykins> does that have something to do with moving a file?
[23:18] <ilhami> JCT, what did you try to move a folder or file?
[23:18] <daftykins> no you use your mouse to select over the text and then copy it into paste.ubuntu.com to share it
[23:18] <JCT> file
[23:18] <ilhami> what command did you try?
[23:18] <JCT> an Iwad file required to play zandronum on linux
[23:18] <JCT> i tried the gui command
[23:18] <JCT> not terminal
[23:19] <JCT> so i don't know the terminal command
[23:19] <daftykins> you just said you were using the terminal
[23:19] <daftykins> *blinks*
[23:19] <daftykins> ok just share what you're doing that's going wrong
[23:19] <JCT> i installed zandronum
[23:19] <daftykins> via whichever means is most appropriate
[23:19] <daftykins> yeah ok, we got that bit :)
[23:19] <JCT> i didn't move the files to use zd tho
[23:20] <JCT> and i don't know how
[23:20] <ilhami> so you want to move some files?
[23:20] <ilhami> you tried drag and drop or what? :D
[23:20] <JCT> yes/
[23:20] <JCT> i tried everything with gui ability
[23:20] <ilhami> ok try to open the terminal. :)
[23:20] <daftykins> for what it's worth, it doesn't *NEED* to be in /usr/games
[23:20] <JCT> it put itself there
[23:21] <JCT> i don't know how to move it out but ill try
[23:21] <daftykins> so are you actually going to tell us anything about this file move?
[23:21] <daftykins> so that, we can help?
[23:21] <JCT> all i want to do is put the IWAD files into the same folder as ZD
[23:21] <ilhami> JCT did you open the terminal yet?
[23:22] <JCT> i absolutly can not modify the folder whatsoever on gui, and yes i did.
[23:22] <JCT> i have inputted no commands
[23:22] <JCT> as of yet
[23:22] <ilhami> in the terminal you can use a command called "mv" which means to move  but it needs some arguments. :)
[23:23] <JCT> and by arguments you mean a password?
[23:23] <ilhami> no
[23:23] <JCT> or where i need to move it to?
[23:23] <ilhami> you need to specify which file you want to move and to which destination
[23:23] <JCT> how exactly is the command spread out?
[23:23] <JCT> is it sudo?
[23:24] <ilhami> yes you put sudo in front so you don't get that permission error :)
[23:24] <daftykins> JCT: well yeah because you're not root in nautilus, so you have no permissions to put them into that folder.
[23:24] <JCT> ok
[23:24] <daftykins> anyway since ilhami found it necessary to tread on my toes, i'll leave it to you two.
[23:24] <JCT> i am the only usr
[23:24] <ilhami> daftykins, sorry :)
[23:24] <daftykins> no you're not the only user :)
[23:25] <JCT> wat?
[23:25] <JCT> i use my pass for a lot of permissions
[23:25] <ilhami> sudo mv /pathToFile/fileToMove /pathToNewLocation/
[23:25] <ilhami> this is how you use it. :)
[23:25] <JCT> so ok
[23:25] <ilhami> and if you want to move a folder "sudo mv -r /pathToFile/folderToMove /pathToNewLocation/ "
[23:28] <ilhami> JCT, so how did it go? :)
[23:29] <JCT> um so well i tried the directory of wads using sudo mv /home/jct/downloads/wads/doom2.wad /usr/games/zandronum/
[23:29] <JCT> NOPE
[23:30] <JCT> mv: cannot stat ‘/home/jct/downloads/wads/doom2.wad’: No such file or directory
[23:30] <JCT> did i do it wrong?
[23:30] <daftykins> it's "Downloads" with a capital
[23:31] <daftykins> when typing paths, use tab to complete.
[23:31] <JCT> oh cool
[23:31] <Pici> JCT: Also, the zandronum website says to installs WADS into ~/.zandronum/
[23:31] <ilhami> JCT do you know that you can use TAB as auto completer ? :)
[23:31] <ilhami> it's really useful.
[23:31] <JCT> um daftykins just told me that
[23:31] <ilhami> oh sorry didn't see.
[23:32] <JCT> how do i install wads to the folder?
[23:32] <JCT> as in install?
[23:32] <daftykins> ilhami: you're going to want to get good at reading scrollback in here.
[23:32] <JCT> i dunt get it
[23:32] <JCT> dont
[23:32] <Pici> JCT: I meant install as a synonym for put.
[23:32] <ilhami> daftykins, could have been my connection. It lags sometimes. I am on a VM :)
[23:33] <JCT> huh...
[23:33] <daftykins> ilhami: same here.
[23:33] <ilhami> heh
[23:33] <JCT> i think i got it lemme check
[23:33] <Pici> JCT: if ~/.zandronum/ doesn't exist, create it. Then put a copy (or the original) .wad files in there.
[23:34] <JCT> yep it's in there :)
[23:34] <JCT> how do i run the app?
[23:35] <JCT> it says it's an executable/x-executable
[23:35] <daftykins> Pici: sounds like JCT could do with a link to the site you were reading from
[23:35] <Pici> JCT: Step #2 for Ubuntu on http://zandronum.com/download#instubuntu
[23:36] <JCT> ok, how do i run it?
[23:36] <JCT> i tried a double click, but nope
[23:36] <rathitlike> I use radeon open source. But HDMI overscan needs xrandr to turn it on. Problem is the display gets a weird look missing lines
[23:36] <Pici> JCT: It says it should have created a launcher in your Games menu.
[23:37] <Pici> Honestly, I haven't touched Unity in forever, so I'm not sure how that all works nowadays.
[23:37] <JCT> where's the games menu? (sorry for rambling on and on)
[23:37] <Pici> JCT: I guess you should probably be able to run it from the dash? /me shrugs
[23:38] <ilhami> Now he will ask.. Where is the dash? :D
[23:38] <JCT> how'd you know?
[23:38] <ilhami> hahaha
[23:38] <JCT> this is so confusing
[23:38] <wilton> oi
[23:38] <ilhami> JCT, are you even using Unity?
[23:38] <JCT> of course
[23:38] <JCT> what is the dash
[23:39] <JCT> there was no instruction booklet lol
[23:39] <ilhami> JCT, use the Windows key if you have such a button and then check there if there is something called games. :D
[23:39] <JCT> ok
[23:39] <JCT> no
[23:39] <JCT> ii'' try another way
[23:40] <ilhami> try to search for your game. :)
[23:40] <ilhami> I haven't played many games on Linux but I have tried a game called AssaultCube and there was a .sh file which I could execute. :)
[23:41] <JCT> gah is there a console command for running apps?? might still be permissions problem
[23:41] <JCT> am i wasting your time in a good way?
[23:41] <rathitlike> Xrandr --output HDMI-0 --set underscan on SEEMS TO SQUASH DISPLAY
[23:41] <daftykins> !manual | JCT
[23:42] <JCT> cool comand lol
[23:42] <ilhami> check if your game has a shell script you can execute JCT .
[23:42] <daftykins> JCT: i suggest you learn a lot more about how to use Ubuntu rather than using up the channel volunteers time with simple tasks.
[23:42] <JCT> ok
[23:42] <JCT> so that answers the question. i'm sorry for wasting your time. thanks tho
[23:42] <ilhami> JCT, I am still willing to help :)
[23:42] <ilhami> if you need it.
[23:42] <ilhami> I learn by it.
[23:43] <IdleOne> daftykins: I suggest you check your attitude and help those you want to help. This channel is for all skill levels, nobody is forcing you to help those with questions you feel are beneath you
[23:43] <daftykins> IdleOne: no attitude, genuine recommendation toward how to get started.
[23:43] <ilhami> aaaw he left. :(
[23:44] <IdleOne> daftykins: telling people they are wasting our time is not how we do things here and you know that.
[23:44] <IdleOne> So, take my advice and relax.
[23:44] <daftykins> unnecessary.
[23:44] <ilhami> IdleOne is the boss here?  That's what I mean. Which nick?
[23:47] <rathitlike> ilhami: hooked up thru hdmi. Overscan issue. Using xrandr to disable oversacn works, but display has weird look. Like it's squashed without proper scaling
[23:47] <oeuvre> Have no fear, for sir oeuvre is here!
[23:47] <oeuvre> I can fix all of your Windows 95 related problems.
[23:47] <aarwine> rathitlike: what happens if you add --auto?
[23:47] <IdleOne> ilhami: the channel is "owned" by the Ubuntu IRC Council
[23:47] <IdleOne> aka the IRCC
[23:48] <ilhami> IdleOne, lol ok.
[23:48] <hggdh> ilhami: the channel "owner" is the Ubuntu community. There is no owner as a person
[23:48] <oeuvre> Does Ubuntu really exist or is it just a state of mind?
[23:48] <aarwine> oeuvre: do you really exist?
[23:48] <ilhami> oeuvre, Windows 95 hahaha:)
[23:48] <aarwine> do i?
[23:48] <oeuvre> These are questions we need to think about if we want to go where we are going.
[23:49] <rww> we should probably think about support instead
[23:49] <oeuvre> A man with his computer, unsatisfied with his closed source operating system.
[23:49] <hggdh> oeuvre: and they are more appropriate in some other channel
[23:49] <oeuvre> He installs Ubuntu.
[23:49] <hggdh> oeuvre: so, please stay on topic
[23:49] <gothicspeaker> is mtn still here?
[23:49] <gothicspeaker> or wildwind?
[23:49] <oeuvre> He is filled with utter disappointment and notes that Unity looks like complete shit and is a Mac OS X ripoff.
[23:50] <oeuvre> He fires up Terminal and types "sudo apt-get install Windows95"
[23:50] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: my internet connection was lost the whole time
[23:50] <ilhami> gothicspeaker, what?
[23:50] <gothicspeaker> wildwind: When I tried to log into my guest account I saw this:
[23:50] <gothicspeaker> no session for pid 5109
[23:50] <gothicspeaker> what does that mean?
[23:50] <rathitlike> aarwine: I think it uses 1080 rather than 720 which is worse. But will try
[23:51] <ilhami> oeuvre, ???
[23:51] <ilhami> trolling much?
[23:51] <aarwine> rathitlike: when you run xrandr by itself it'll show you the current settings
[23:51] <aarwine> and all possible
[23:51] <oeuvre> ilhami: The man is a machine.
[23:52] <oeuvre> He is not a human, nor cyborg. Instead he is one with the machine.
[23:52] <oeuvre> Anyways, how do I install Adobe Photoshop in Linux?
[23:52] <Dean1> So my router is picking up 4000 + tcp connections that is coming from my Ubuntu box and it brought my internet connection to a crawl.  Any ideas?
[23:52] <oeuvre> Ableton Live?  What's the point of Ubuntu if I can't even run the software I need on it?
[23:53] <aarwine> Dean1: see for yourself - ss -p
[23:53] <ilhami> oeuvre, you can get GIMP :)
[23:53] <oeuvre> Gimp=/=Photoshop.
[23:53] <oeuvre> Though yes, it is decent.
[23:54] <ilhami> It's a good alternative.
[23:54] <Lioncourt> can anyone help? have diskless clients(booting on eth0) with multiple NIC's. struggling to have clients enaable eth1
[23:54] <oeuvre> Kinda like how Windows 7 is a good alternative to Ubuntu.
[23:54] <wildwind> I think oeuvre is a bot and someone should kick him
[23:54] <oeuvre> wildwind: The man is a machine.  He has all the tools he needs to do what he wants.
[23:55] <oeuvre> THank you ilhami
[23:55] <Lioncourt> Got eth2 = wan eth0 = filesystem for cluster eth1=Want This one for workload
[23:55] <Lioncourt> But clients won't c it
[23:55] <Lioncourt> anyone ever use DRBL ?
[23:56] <Lioncourt> think need somehow to tell clients to kick the PCI NIC eth1 up on a script somehow ....any help ?
[23:56] <aarwine> Lioncourt: what have you tried?
[23:56] <Lioncourt> anyone ? =o~( is doing my head in
[23:56] <oeuvre> Lioncourt: remove your network card and install a token ring adapter.
[23:56] <oeuvre> While you're at it, install a 56k PCI modem.
[23:57] <Lioncourt> ?
[23:57] <Lioncourt> really
[23:57] <ilhami> :D
[23:57] <oeuvre> And don't forget, you turn my floppy disk into a solid state drive.
[23:57] <oeuvre> That's why I transfer so quickly ;)
[23:57] <Lioncourt> best advice ...unbelievable oeuvre =o)
[23:57] <oeuvre> Hey, I am giving you the best advice right now because I'm the only one giving you advice.
[23:58] <gothicspeaker> ok I found this
[23:58] <Lioncourt> distrating too!
[23:58] <gothicspeaker> I think i 'm hacked
[23:58] <gothicspeaker> Oct  9 00:37:26 roel-A6VA lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "stream"
[23:58] <aarwine> Lioncourt: your question is non-specific and bad; as a result, the only thing I can suggest is ifconfig eth1 up
[23:58] <aarwine> gl
[23:58] <wildwind> oeuvre: the best a bot can find in it's phrasebook
[23:58] <Lioncourt> I don't need win7. I have win4workgroups311
[23:59] <oeuvre> Oh, perfect.
[23:59] <oeuvre> Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is the best operating system ever made.
[23:59] <oeuvre> Anyone who isn't using it is a complete loony.
[23:59] <oeuvre> It's 2014, after all.
[23:59] <Lioncourt> <<<< taking the keyboard from LionCourt.
[23:59] <gothicspeaker> ilhami: this guy called 'stream' tried to log in but he can't


[03:41] <hallyn> apw: ENOENT
[03:41] <hallyn> mount -t ecryptfs with having the helper ask for the passphrase works,
[03:41] <hallyn> it's only passing they keyid in as a mount arg that doesn't work
[03:41] <hallyn> (i.e. using mount.ecryptfs_private)


[15:06] <ovnicraft_> hello i want to debug bzr, so i get this error https://gist.github.com/ovnicraft/5717722, i read about it and it was caused by delete a file and i want to debug to identify what file_id
[15:06] <ovnicraft_> i activate BZR_PDB
[15:06] <ovnicraft_> i get postmortem but i don know what var use
[15:09] <ovnicraft_> i found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1179527
[15:09] <ovnicraft_> there are many old bugs
[15:10] <ovnicraft_> and this http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general/74886
[15:10] <ovnicraft_> looks like unversioned files cause the problem
[15:11] <ovnicraft_> i this post http://old.nabble.com/Error-during-merge%3A-No-final-name-for-trans_id-'new-70'-td34444552.html he use pdb to identify trans_id refer
[15:11] <ovnicraft_> but dont describe how to use pdb in bzr postmortem
[15:13] <jelmer> ovnicraft_: set BZR_PDB=1 in the environment
[15:13] <jelmer> and you'll be dropped into pdb when an error occurs
[15:13] <ovnicraft_> jelmer: yes i got pdb
[15:13] <ovnicraft_> jelmer: so i want to know how to identify trans_id
[15:13] <ovnicraft_> i dont know bzr code
[15:14] <ovnicraft_> jelmer: i am here https://gist.github.com/ovnicraft/5722285
[15:14] <jelmer> ah, that's a more complex question - I don't have time to help with that atm unfortunately
[15:15] <ovnicraft_> so first Q: i am in right channel ?
[15:15] <jelmer> yes
[15:18] <ovnicraft_> jelmer: there is any dirty solution ?
[15:20] <mgz> ovnicraft_: broadly speaking, you want to use 'u' and 'l' till you find something pathy
[15:21] <mgz> I'm not sure if this is the shortest path (ho ho) to finding out what the issue with your tree state though
[15:23] <mgz> running a diff between the branches prior to merge (if that's what's failing? you weren't explict) may be easier
[15:32] <ovnicraft_> mgz: i am running the diff now
[15:37] <barry> hey folks, perhaps mgz, jam, or abentley: have any of you seen crashes in bzr on saucy, e.g. doing `bzr info`?  i think the svn plugin may be broken as it's trying to import CommittedQueue from subvertpy.wc
[15:37] <jelmer> barry: yes, there is a bug
[15:37] <jelmer> barry: bzr-svn has been removed from saucy
[15:38] <jelmer> pad.lv/1187840
[15:38] <barry> jelmer: thanks, i shall purge it from my existence then :)
[15:39] <barry> jelmer: got it, thanks
[15:39] <mgz> hm, how hard is that sru with the dep to do I wonder...
[21:10] <thumper> morning
[21:16] <jelmer> hey thumper, how's life in juju land?
[21:17] <thumper> hi jelmer
[21:17] <thumper> interesting
[21:17] <jelmer> mgz: it should be a one line change
[21:17] <thumper> just like python, there is the "go way" of doing things
[21:17] <thumper> which often rubs with me ATM
[21:18] <jelmer> thumper: ah, you're working on Go juju ? is that version 2.0?
[21:19] <thumper> jelmer: well, 1.11.x right now, but yes, heading to 2.0
[21:19] <thumper> I wanted to get back into a dev role, and also learn go
[21:19] <thumper> I hadn't learnt a new language in a while
[21:21] <jelmer> thumper: what do you think of go, any improvement over C++?
[21:21] <thumper> jelmer: well, that depends...
[21:22] <thumper> C++ is horribly complicated, but powerful in the right hands
[21:22] <thumper> Go is much simpler, but is missing a lot of what I'm used to
[21:22] <thumper> like generics
[21:22] <thumper> I'd say 90% of C++ devs write bad code
[21:22] <thumper> just due to language complexity
[21:22] <thumper> go reduces that number somewhat
[21:23] <thumper> I've not done any real benchmark tests
[21:23] <thumper> but go does provide some nice library stuff that C++ is missing
[21:23] <thumper> around network and general process control
[21:23] <thumper> I guess it depends a lot on what you are writing :)
[21:26] <jelmer> yeah, the complexity in C++ is my main gripe with it
[21:27] <jelmer> I'm not sure what to think of go yet. The exception handling/return value stuff seems kind of arbitrary but some of the other features, like - as you mention - the libraries and goroutines are really nice
[21:32]  * thumper nods
[21:32] <thumper> I love the power of C++
[21:32] <thumper> but it is too easy for people to get things wrong
[21:32] <thumper> I have heard that D is better
[21:32] <thumper> but never used it
[21:43] <LeoNerd> goros are just CSP. "yaaay". That's been around since like, 1970
[21:43] <LeoNerd> mvreturn is cute, but eh.. Perl and most Lisps have those
[21:44] <LeoNerd> Python too come to think of it
[21:44] <LeoNerd> Sortof ish


[04:35] <pdc> I downloaded ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz, zcatted it to a microSD, and attempted to boot it on my BeagleBoard-xM.  It booted to the point where it said "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." and then nothing else happened.  The DVI monitor did not get a signal.  Any suggestions?
[06:18] <persia> pdc, On which output did you get the Uncompressing... message?
[06:22] <persia> Anyway, the point of the question was that the base image attempts to uncompress and occupy the entirety of the MMC storage on first boot: As microSD tends to be slow (at least mine are *very* slow), I wonder if this isn't just taking much longer than expected.
[06:23] <persia> I've not tried, but I understand some folks have tried to get serial console working, so I can imagine some messages going to serial console, and then the uncompress message failing to go to DVI for some reason.
[06:23] <persia> (but I'm just speculating, and hoping someone who actually has an XM can comment on their experience)
[10:19] <lool> sakoman: Ah found these u-bbot env file patches for u-boot again, they were simply in my PPA!  sending them to you now
[11:49] <ogra_ac> lool, hmm, could it be that your libnnss-ldap patch was never applied in debian and soemone moreged it into ubuntu without the gnueabi fix ?
[11:49] <ogra_ac> (looks serious enough to justify an sru to me)
[13:46] <lool> ogra_ac: Do you intend to merge this older x-loader changes of mine in natty?
[13:49] <lool> ogra_ac: libnss-ldap > indeed, it seems this was dropped by Chuck for some reason
[13:50] <lool> ogra_ac: Actually, I still see the patch in debian/patches/60_fix-glibc-test-for-armel-gnueabi.patch
[13:51] <lool> but not applied anymore
[14:05] <ogra_ac> lool, yeah, after UDS i'll care for x-loader unless rsalveti does it earlier
[14:05] <ogra_ac> and indeed the plan is to get your changes back in
[14:17] <lool> ogra_ac: I've pushed a fixed libnss-ldap; do you have a way to test it?
[14:22] <ogra_ac> lool, not really, i have an LTSP arm spec though so i will be able during implementing that
[14:22]  * ogra_ac doesnt currently have any LDAP server around
[14:30] <voipster3> hi all
[14:31] <voipster3> anyone tried installing on a beagleboard c3?
[14:32] <voipster3> it boots but it doesn't seem to show any screen at all


[00:30] <Bashing-om> pepeamid: You bring good tiding of great joy to the channel ?
[00:40] <guiverc> Bashing-om, maybe we should use tags, 'news' for newsletter, 'docs' for our other stuff (glossary etc).. rocks & other areas of discourse use those tags, but the area (of discourse) will allow fine-tuning of searches
[00:41]  * guiverc is only around briefly; off to vet with pup somewhat soon (yearly injections etc)
[00:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sorry I am lost for context as to where "maybe we should use tags" applies :(
[00:45] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/uwn/124   & other searches allow limiting results to specific items.. ie. uwn issues & glossary, link.suggestions appear in that list; if we had 'docs' as tag we could restrict only the 'links, glossary, about etc' to show
[00:46] <guiverc> eg.  i just changed two articles to use 'docs'... they can be easily found now
[00:49] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Anything that enhances search is a good thing - I must get onto the learning cycle to make application.
[00:49] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/tags/c/uwn/124/docs  now shows only 'docs'...
[00:50] <guiverc> (unless I missed any anyway.. will have to add 'news' later to others)
[00:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Neat - we like clean too :P
[01:00] <guiverc> (we could even re-massage the ML stuff I post to fridge on release/eol/eoss & paste the discourse with release tag maybe..;  aren't that many of those; 24.04 will be next)
[01:02] <guiverc> https://dpaste.com/2RUKART67 shows what I created from the ML post where 99% of text (all but last line) comes from
[01:03]  * guiverc assumes that's the final; my local copy anyway; i may have edited after posting on fridge..
[01:03] <Bashing-om> looking
[01:04]  * guiverc adds link to original is on the last line..
[01:07]  * guiverc suspects massagine for discouse is easier.. no chasing down a missed </p> </a> i forgot etc.
[01:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You are going to make me brush up on my markdown skills, now aren't you ?
[01:12] <guiverc> i can do it anyway; the use of tags makes details easier to find, fridge would still be used (propagates elsewhere) .. but I suspect discourse would get more readers than fridge posts do, and only for a few mins extra (for myself being my thinking)..
[01:13] <Bashing-om> brb doggie  do.
[01:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Colin Watson: Free software activity in January/February 2024 @ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/activity-2024-02.html
[01:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 829 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/03/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-829/
[01:37] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Whatever we can do to point readers to Discourse is a good thing // Related is with the WIKI articles depreciation due to moves to Discourse we can recommend many of them for removal from the servers.
[02:13] <guiverc> removing/deleting wiki pages is easy
[02:33] <guiverc> Bashing-om, just fyi, but all our items have tags (news or docs)... https://discourse.ubuntu.com/tags/c/uwn/124/none
[02:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I been watching ^ in betwix my own goings on :P
[02:36] <guiverc> currently no 'release' tag is used; there is one with an eol (closed support-request that can be ignored)... if we post release/eol notices on discouse (as well as fridge)
[02:39] <guiverc> I suggest we don't add 'news' tag until publish... I just removed 'news' from issue 830 so it now appears in the 124/none search  (after all it's the WIP)
[02:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looking - see what I have to do when publishing.
[02:44] <guiverc> there is a tag field at top (towards right).. type news and it'll search for news (telling you how many posts have that tag) & you click it...
[02:45] <guiverc> you can also adjust via PEN at top title/edit bit;  again it's to the right (field below title)
[02:46]  * guiverc looking at skeleton/template currently... looking for easy/clear way to 'document' the tags
[02:47] <guiverc> we probably could add 'tag' UWN for all.. currently only skeleton uses that tag
[02:50] <guiverc> added "Please also add the 'news' tag at publish time (whilst work-in-progress it can be found due to no-tag)"  to skeleton in comments; feel free to adjust if better way to put it
[02:50] <guiverc> I'll add 'uwn' tag to all docs
[02:51] <guiverc> (all our docs I mean)
[02:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I fail to understand how/where to see "tags" :( I have 830 open and do not see what I expected to see :(
[02:56] <guiverc> if I click edit.. I see "Ubuntu Weekly .. 830" at top in title.. below that the "Ubuntu Weekly" or area of discourse at left & "optional tags" to the right of that... that's where you type news (& wait for it to search for matching tags)...
[02:57] <guiverc> its outside of the area where all the work is done; meta-fields at top.. you can change via PEN at title screen too
[02:58] <guiverc> do you want me to add 'uwn' tag there; you can then view/edit again & find it; then remove it (as test/play?)
[03:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No can do with -what I assume is authorization- the "optional tags" field remains greyed out; I can not type in that box :(
[03:06] <guiverc> if i edit 830, you'll lose nothing?
[03:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have nothing else pendin in 830.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> pending*
[03:08] <guiverc> I've modified 830 to have 'uwn' tag... if you can see/find it; try removing it.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> looking
[03:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - had to "discard" and reopen. Now I do see the "uwn" tag :D
[03:11] <guiverc> remove it... & save..
[03:12] <guiverc> (or change it to docs maybe.. your choice..)  we can remove again once testing complete
[03:12] <Bashing-om> removed and saved.
[03:13] <guiverc> yep.. it disappeared on my window here too :)
[03:19] <guiverc> do we want 'uwn' tag on all??  I'm not sure we gain much with it (docs I think were worthwhile)
[03:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got me - I feel that the "news" tag has the broader reach for searchs.
[03:24] <guiverc> both news & docs tags are used by non Ubuntu-news posts... the uwn tag would be our-own.. but the area of discourse tells people the team that created the post anyway (thus why I don't see need)
[03:25] <guiverc> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/search?q=tags%3Anews  shows our UWN articles.. netplan news, rocks news etc.. (ours are at top I suspect mostly as recently changed due to 'news' tag edit)
[03:26] <Bashing-om> Presently I too do not see a need - in the future if that changes we can always then add a tag.
[03:26] <guiverc> ack.. & thanks
[03:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No thnaks to me - you have put in a lot of *effort* .
[03:33] <guiverc> not really... just noticed others using tags; we hadn't & I can see where they could be useful in searches etc..
[03:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: As in all things - this too is a learning process :P
[03:37] <guiverc> (if only I wasn't forgetting so much that I did learn...)
[03:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Only so much mortal ram we posses - got to purge/compress the old to make room for today ?
[03:41]  * guiverc wishes I had more control on what i forget..
[03:43] <Bashing-om> Well - I too suffered a brain injury as a youngster - lost ALL my child hood memories. Just not there :(
[04:35] <guiverc> sorry to hear that Bashing-om (sorry I went elsewhere)..
[04:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Is OK - Those non-existent memories do not impact what is today :D
[04:58] <guiverc> :)
[05:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 829 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/03/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-829/