[00:11] <fta> [reed], do you read that: http://jldugger.livejournal.com/25455.html ?
[00:11] <fta> did
[00:12] <[reed]> nope
[10:19] <asac_> @time
[10:20] <BUGabundo> good morning asac
[10:20] <BUGabundo> just got up?
[10:20] <asac_> heh ... no
[10:20] <asac_> just got reconnect
[10:23] <BUGabundo> ah okay
[10:23] <BUGabundo> still having ISP probs?
[10:43] <BUGabundo> by the way
[10:43] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/323110
[10:43] <BUGabundo> from yesterday
[10:53] <asac> yeah
[10:59] <BUGabundo> asac: can you take a look and see if it is complete enough?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> asac: you around? sunbird is broken (0.9) I will try to find info on why SM only has compose and browser i hope
[11:49] <gnomefreak> seems gthumb is broken too :(
[11:52] <gnomefreak> what is the nae of the default camrea viewer (like gthumb)
[11:53] <asac> gnomefreak: cheese?
[11:54] <asac> (cameara)
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: not cheese not web camera but normal digital cam
[11:55] <gnomefreak> this isnt good
[11:55] <gnomefreak> gvfsd-gphoto crashed
[12:04] <gnomefreak> asac: ah yeah n-m is broken as well
[12:05] <gnomefreak> why does OO.o need dist-upgrade to upgrade the packages
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: probably because ooo removes a package or requires a new package
[12:06] <gnomefreak> new packages
[12:06] <gnomefreak> 2 of them i think
[12:06]  * gnomefreak didnt see that til after i asked :(
[12:07] <asac> ok
[12:10] <asac> [reed]: so adding an attachment doesnt put you on CC by default
[12:10] <asac> [reed]: bug?
[12:10] <asac> (bugzilla)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ok it seems mozilla thinks that SM-2.0 has mail/news app but for some reason we are not building it with SM source
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... when was our package last touched?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> asac: for SM not sure im trying to grab source atm
[12:21] <gnomefreak> seamonkey-2.0-browser - Seamonkey Navigator (Internet browser) and Composer  is it
[12:21] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i keep getting gnomefreak@Development:~/test$ apt-get source seamonkey-2.0-browser
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Reading package lists... Done
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Building dependency tree
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Reading state information... Done
[12:23] <gnomefreak> E: Unable to find a source package for seamonkey-2.0
[12:25] <gnomefreak> well he didnt package it for jaunty
[12:25] <gnomefreak> last touched for intrepid 2008-11-06
[12:26] <gnomefreak> i have jaunty repos from fta's PPA and it seems to be a package in it
[12:26] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa/+index?start=50&batch=50  says no package for jaunty
[12:27]  * gnomefreak goes to get coffee smoke
[12:33] <BUGabundo> asac: it would seem that Klose would disagree with you on bug 323110
[12:33] <BUGabundo> he says its FF bug
[12:34] <asac> BUGabundo: did you test with official sun on 32-bit?
[12:35] <BUGabundo> how can I?
[12:35] <BUGabundo> I only have a 64 system
[12:35] <asac> unpack upstream 32-bit in home, put the upstream java plugin into the plugins/ directoriy in that forlder
[12:35] <asac> and run ./firefox in it
[12:37] <BUGabundo> asac: so I don't get the wrong file (again) what exacly do I need from sun?
[12:40] <asac> BUGabundo: the plugin for 32.bit
[12:40] <asac> let me see if i can find it quickly
[12:41] <asac> BUGabundo: so get jre with plugin
[12:41] <asac> install that
[12:41] <asac> and link the .so to the unpacked firefox plugins/ directoriy
[12:43] <BUGabundo> I don't see no .so in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/lib
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: i'm gonna build 2.0 for jaunty see if that is the reason
 E: Unable to find a source package for seamonkey-2.0
[12:48] <fta2> you probably miss my source line
[12:48] <gnomefreak> fta2: ther eisnt one for jaunty
[12:49] <gnomefreak> fta2: i had your sources repo and from your PPA you dont have a build for jaunty
[12:51] <fta2> i said a few weeks ago that i stopped doing sm-*, not enough time and noone seems to care enough.
[12:52] <gnomefreak> fta2: ah ok i wasnt here to see that. its all good i'm gonna spin it and see if it works in jaunty
[13:43] <gnomefreak> mozilla-devscripts keeps telling me i dont have git installed but i do have it
[13:46] <gnomefreak> not to mention it wont grab tarball regaurless of the tags i use
[14:18] <[reed]> asac: correct
[14:23] <asac> [reed]: ok so i guess its known/filed/on track ;)
[14:23] <asac> thanks
[14:23] <[reed]> indeed
[14:23] <[reed]> :)
[16:20] <marcos_ast> Hi!
[16:27] <BUGabundo> hi marcos_ast
[16:36] <marcos_ast> I'm trying check my Firefox translation
[16:36] <marcos_ast> but, I can't
[16:36] <marcos_ast> :(
[16:48] <marcos_ast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Testing_your_translation
[16:48] <marcos_ast> as say here
[16:48] <marcos_ast> :(
[16:48] <marcos_ast> runpo2xpi not works
[16:48] <marcos_ast> and po2xpi creates a folder
[16:48] <marcos_ast> not a xpi file
[17:05] <asac> marcos_ast: right. runpo2xpi should work
[17:05] <asac> you need the en-US.xpi
[17:05] <asac> marcos_ast: what command line are you trying to use?
[17:05] <marcos_ast> Hi asac
[17:05] <marcos_ast> I haven't the en-US.xpi
[17:05] <marcos_ast> :O
[17:05] <marcos_ast> po2xpi create a folder
[17:06] <marcos_ast> wait just a moment, please
[17:14] <marcos_ast> I'm here ;)
[17:15] <marcos_ast> well, I'm going to src folder
[17:17] <asac> marcos_ast: just run ./runpo2xpi ... what is the output?
[17:17] <marcos_ast> uhm
[17:17] <marcos_ast> wait please
[17:17] <marcos_ast> I'm testing
[17:17] <marcos_ast> ;)
[17:18] <marcos_ast> Today I have this message with po2xpi
[17:18] <marcos_ast> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:18] <marcos_ast> *-)
[17:18] <marcos_ast> po2xpi _firefox-ast.po new_de.po Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:19] <marcos_ast> The other day was perfect the po2xpi
[17:19] <marcos_ast> xD
[17:22] <marcos_ast> Download again......
[17:22] <marcos_ast> the po2xpi
[17:22] <marcos_ast> wait please
[17:24] <marcos_ast> fine
[17:24] <marcos_ast> My steps ;)
[17:24] <marcos_ast> go to src folder
[17:24] <marcos_ast> I copy there the _firefox-ast.po from Launchpad
[17:25] <marcos_ast> run in terminal: po2xpi firefox _firefox-ast.po
[17:25] <marcos_ast> This create this folder: jar:en-US.jar!
[17:25] <marcos_ast> I haven't any .xpi file
[17:25] <marcos_ast> :O
[17:26] <marcos_ast> where can I found the .xpi file for runpo2xpi?
[17:27] <marcos_ast> asac, the runpo2xpi get a .xpi file :P I haven't that file :O
[17:39] <marcos_ast> ?
[18:01] <marcos_ast> I must go. I will return more later ;) Cheers!
[20:42] <fta> asac, http://gickr.com/results/anim_b66e0772-2626-b244-c1f5-44c7f1f8e51d.gif
[21:31] <marcos_ast> Hi
[21:31] <marcos_ast> ;)
[21:37] <asac> marcos_ast: /msg doesnt help ;)
[21:38] <asac> better use my nick here
[21:38] <marcos_ast> :)
[21:38] <marcos_ast> sorry
[21:38] <marcos_ast> :$
[21:38] <marcos_ast> can you help me?
[21:38] <marcos_ast> :)
[21:38] <asac> marcos_ast: runpo2xpi application_name xpifile.xpi pofile.po
[21:38] <asac> the xpifile.xpi is the en-US.xpi
[21:39] <asac> take that from the distro tranlsation tarball
[21:40] <marcos_ast> *-)
[21:40] <asac> marcos_ast: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+language-packs
[21:40] <marcos_ast> :P
[21:40] <asac> take the base ball
[21:40] <asac> the en-US.xpi should be inside there
[21:40] <jcastro> fta: copy and paste works for me
[21:40] <marcos_ast> 500 MB?
[21:40] <marcos_ast> is it?
[21:40] <asac> marcos_ast: not sure ;)
[21:40] <asac> marcos_ast: with some luck its also in the delta
[21:40] <marcos_ast> base pack
[21:40] <marcos_ast> :O
[21:41] <marcos_ast> 300 MB
[21:41] <fta> jcastro, with just the mouse? select & middle click somewhere else?
[21:41] <marcos_ast> :S
[21:41] <asac> there are two en-US.xpi ... one for xulrunner and one for firefox
[21:41] <marcos_ast> I'm download the base pack
[21:41] <marcos_ast> :P
[21:41] <asac> marcos_ast: if you can plese update the wiki page to include that part ;)
[21:41] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Testing_your_translation
[21:41] <marcos_ast> can I do?
[21:42] <marcos_ast> ok
[21:42] <marcos_ast> I wil try
[21:42] <marcos_ast> ;)
[21:42] <marcos_ast> I will try
[21:42] <asac> marcos_ast: yes sure. that would be great
[21:42] <asac> marcos_ast: its missing the en-US.xpi step i think
[21:43] <marcos_ast> 27 minutes remain
[21:43] <marcos_ast> for the downlaod
[21:43] <marcos_ast> download
[21:43] <marcos_ast> one question....
[21:43] <asac> heh
[21:43] <marcos_ast> Do I need use "po2xpi"?
[21:43] <marcos_ast> it creates a folder
[21:43] <marcos_ast> :O
[21:43] <marcos_ast> jar:en-US.jar!
[21:44] <marcos_ast> Do I need use po2xpi before?
[21:44] <marcos_ast> that runpo2xpi
[21:44] <marcos_ast> ?
[21:45] <fta> jcastro, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/cutpaste-gwibber.gif
[21:49] <jcastro> oh, I was using the ctrl-c stuff, and the right click context menu
[21:49] <jcastro> yeah that is messed up
[21:59] <asac> marcos_ast: you dont need to use it ... but you have to build it
[22:00] <asac> fta: can you paste something in gwibber using keyboard ctrl+v?
[22:00] <asac> i always get a popup instead ...so i have to use middle mous
[22:00] <asac> e
[22:03] <fta> ctrl+c / ctrl+v seems to work fine
[22:03] <fta> but that's from windows, and i'm not using that :P
[22:04] <fta> with the keyboard, i still use ctrl+ins / shift+ins
[22:04] <fta> with the mouse, select / middle click
[22:25] <marcos_ast> asac
[22:25] <marcos_ast> this is the output of runpo2xpi
[22:25] <marcos_ast> marquinos@marquinos-desktop:~/Desktop/po2xpi/src$ ./runpo2xpi firefox en-US.xpi _firefox-ast.po
[22:25] <marcos_ast> trying en-US.jar
[22:25] <marcos_ast> entityname=brandDTD for line: <!ENTITY % brandDTD SYSTEM "chrome://branding/locale/brand.dtd">
[22:25] <marcos_ast> PWD=/tmp/po2xpi.FpHykhXIBn/firefox/new
[22:25] <marcos_ast> CMD=/home/marquinos/Desktop/po2xpi/src/po2xpi firefox ../_firefox-ast.po
[22:25] <marcos_ast> /tmp/po2xpi.FpHykhXIBn/firefox/new
[22:25] <marcos_ast> ./runpo2xpi: line 273: /usr/bin/revpath: No such file or directory
[22:25] <marcos_ast> zip I/O error: Permission denied
[22:25] <marcos_ast> zip error: Could not create output file (/firefox-ast.jar)
[22:25] <marcos_ast> /bin/rm: cannot remove `chrome.manifest': No such file or directory
[22:25] <marcos_ast> /bin/rm: cannot remove `firefox-ast.jar': No such file or directory
[22:25] <marcos_ast> /bin/rm: cannot remove `install.rdf': No such file or directory
[22:25] <marcos_ast> MAKING START DIR: /home/marquinos/Desktop/po2xpi/src/firefox
[22:25] <marcos_ast> PWD: /home
[22:25] <marcos_ast> /bin/mv: cannot stat `new/ast.xpi': No such file or directory
[22:25] <marcos_ast> marquinos@marquinos-desktop:~/Desktop/po2xpi/src$
[22:37] <marcos_ast> asac?
[22:37] <marcos_ast> :P
[22:41] <fta> asac, about our dailies, should we do them just for jaunty or for all down to hardy like i do today?
[22:47] <marcos_ast> I must go
[22:48] <marcos_ast> I will return other day
[22:48] <marcos_ast> Good bye!
[22:48] <marcos_ast> ;)


[00:57] <Unit193> I had hoped for yetti.
[01:09] <Unit193> !xenial is <sed> s/releae/release/
[07:19] <Jordan_U> @mark #ubuntu syth Posted random youtube link without any explanation.
[07:44] <popey> Next week there will be a sprint in Prage (people start arriving this Thursday) so there will be ~30 or so people connecting from the same place (so same IP).  Did you contact Freenode about an iline? 2. Will people be cloaked or will identd be running?
[07:52] <popey> 1) no. 2) no idea.
[07:53] <popey> I don't know the IP
[07:54] <Unit193> It only matters if they join #ubuntu/#kubuntu/#ubuntu+1, but yeah I'd be at least one to poke so Drone` doesn't get upset.
[08:02] <ovidiuflorin> hello world
[08:03] <ovidiuflorin> I've been sent here by valorie
[08:03] <ovidiuflorin> to ask about registering a bot
[08:03] <ovidiuflorin> and also about registering the #kubuntu-podcast channel
[08:04] <ovidiuflorin> can someone please help me with this?
[08:05] <Jordan_U> ovidiuflorin: I can't personally help with either of those things, but to help get the ball rolling: What kind of bot? Is it going to be in #ubuntu, #kubuntu or other core channels or just in #kubuntu-podcast?
[08:05] <Unit193> Howdy, won't be on long myself though.
[08:06] <ovidiuflorin> I'd like to register and add op's to the #kubuntu-podcast channel first
[08:06] <ovidiuflorin> I've tried to register it but it complains that I'm not OP
[08:07] <ovidiuflorin> I can't become OP because it's not registered
[08:07] <Unit193> Have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels?
[08:08] <ovidiuflorin> yes
[08:08] <ovidiuflorin> but I can't run any of those commands successfully
[08:08] <Unit193> When you first join a channel, you'll get OP.  However, since there's already people in it that won't happen.
[08:08] <ovidiuflorin> so, what can I do?
[08:10] <Unit193> There doesn't appear to be active staff right now, so either wait for them or have everyone part real quick then you rejoin the channel.
[08:10] <ovidiuflorin> we've been having spammers
[08:11] <ovidiuflorin> I doubt they will leave....
[08:12] <ovidiuflorin> also there are people in there that are sleeping ATM
[08:12] <Unit193> Looks like wait it is.
[08:12] <ovidiuflorin> ok
[08:13] <ovidiuflorin> then can we register a bot?
[08:13] <ovidiuflorin> it's a sync service between telegram and IRC
[08:13] <ovidiuflorin> it sends to IRC every message sent to telegram
[08:13] <ovidiuflorin> and send to telegram every message sent to IRC
[08:14] <ovidiuflorin> and I need to register it's username
[08:14] <Jordan_U> !register | ovidiuflorin
[08:15] <Unit193> Right, so as there's currently no staff members around to drop the nick you'd like to register (presuming you want to keep the nick it has been using), you could put it on the bots wikipage.
[08:15] <Unit193> Jordan_U: It's currently registered, but droppable.
[08:17] <ovidiuflorin> it doesn't have to keep it's current name
[08:18] <Unit193> Up to you.  If you want that specific one just have to poke staff about it.
[08:22] <ovidiuflorin> who is staff?
[08:24] <Unit193> ovidiuflorin: Freenode staff, so anyone with a cloak like Myrtti.
[08:24] <Myrtti> the what now
[08:24] <ovidiuflorin> Myrtti: does not look like having a cloak
[08:24] <Unit193> Myrtti: You're freenode staff, congrats.
[08:24] <Myrtti> I don't?
[08:24] <popey> (you do)
[08:24] <Myrtti> oh, I do
[08:25] <Unit193> Myrtti: Can you OP ovidiuflorin in #kubuntu-podcast so he can register it?
[08:25] <ovidiuflorin> I'm also supposed to have OP in some channels
[08:25] <ovidiuflorin> because I part of the KC
[08:25] <Myrtti> not easily as my irssi is still doing magic and I'm not awake yet
[08:25] <Myrtti> in fact, I was going to go back to bed
[08:25] <Unit193> Ah, alrighty.
[08:25] <Unit193> I'm heading there about now too, understandable.
[08:25] <Myrtti> (also: whee new irssi)
[08:27] <ovidiuflorin> what's irssi?
[08:28] <Unit193> Terminal IRC client, nice one.
[08:28] <popey> The One True IRC Client.
[08:28] <Unit193> ↑
[08:32] <ovidiuflorin> Unit193: he's gone
[08:33] <Unit193> He's online though it seems, they're used to getting PMs for help.
[08:34] <Myrtti> I think your issue got sorted?
[08:34] <Myrtti> (I poked someone more awake about it)
[08:41] <ovidiuflorin> then channel issue, yes
[08:41] <ovidiuflorin> thank you
[08:41] <ovidiuflorin> now to register the bot
[08:41] <ovidiuflorin> brb
[11:26] <ovidiuflorin> back....
[11:26] <ovidiuflorin> if someone is still here...
[11:28] <k1l_> hi, what is the issue?
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> I want to register a nick
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> for a bot
[11:28] <ovidiuflorin> that syncs telegram with IRC
[11:29] <popey> !register
[11:29] <k1l_> yeah, change to that nick, run teh registration procedure with verify. then make sure the bot logs into that account while logging into freenode.
[11:30] <k1l_> when that is set up, the ircc can grant a bot cloak to that bots account.
[11:30] <ovidiuflorin> can I use the KC email address as the email address ?
[11:30] <k1l_> ovidiuflorin: yeah, you need to receive the mail and run a command in irc, that is mentioned in that email.
[11:31] <k1l_> using the KC email makes sense if there is a new maintainer for that bot in the future.
[11:32] <popey> maybe connect from a different client rather than cycle through nicks until you find an unused one? :)
[11:35] <telegram-sync> I found one, this one. Registering it now
[11:38] <telegram-sync> email not ariving....
[11:39] <k1l_> takes some minutes
[12:13] <DJones> Pici: Are you able to switch ubot5 over to 16.04 sources, its still using 15.10
[12:41] <k1l_> i really see an issue with site like omgubuntu telling everyone just to use -d to upgrade while not explaining what that does.
[12:48] <DJones> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1496?
[12:49] <IdleOne-> it's going to be all about mobile
[12:50] <k1l_> no, its all about this :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHB3Rbz1OI
[12:50] <DJones> k1l_: I think this is probably the webpage referring to using -d http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-15-10-to-16-04-lts
[12:50] <DJones> It does actually warn ou’ll be migrating from a supported stable version of Ubuntu to a pre-release version.
[12:50] <DJones> You should expect to encounter bugs (and possibly performance issues, doubly-true if your device uses AMD graphics).
[12:54] <Pici> looks like Unit193 beat me in adding the new 16.10 factoids
[13:07] <popey> I left a comment on omg about using -d
[13:07] <popey> people think I'm mental for telling people to be careful
[13:07] <popey> quite frustrating
[13:07] <IdleOne-> YOU'RE SO CRAAAAAAAZY
[13:07] <IdleOne-> what's next? wearing seat belts
[13:07] <k1l_> yeah. how dare you to tell others to be careful! they want 16.04 now!
[13:50] <ioanm> idk why when I try to join #ubuntu it says I'm banned maybe because I use PIA
[13:50] <k1l_> the vpn/proxy hoster you use is banned due to abuse.
[13:51] <ioanm> k1l_: it's a VPN, and it sponsors freenode
[13:51] <ioanm> k1l_: also now I'm using webchat and PIA (both)
[13:52] <k1l_> tell that the several trolls who abused that service to spam and flood #ubuntu.
[13:52] <ioanm> k1l_: but i'm not a troll
[13:52] <ioanm> k1l_: plus that happens with every VPN, some idiots spam
[13:52] <k1l_> use another service, or your real ip.
[13:53] <ioanm> k1l_: yeah i'll try to see if it works without webchat and with sasl using hexchat
[13:53] <k1l_> or use a bnc, another hoster, or make an account on kiwiirc or such.
[13:53] <ioanm> k1l_: anyway thanks, i have to reboot to try ubuntu 16.04 right now
[13:53] <ioanm> bye :)
[15:23] <dax> Pici: the $cur* variables on ubot5 aren't updated
[15:26] <Pici> dax: hrm, I did it for the lubots, must have missed ubot5
[15:26] <Pici> dax: should be good now
[15:26] <dax> yep. thank you :)
[15:45] <k1l_> smart_girl<EMAIL_ADDRESS> known spammer
[16:25] <Unit193> telegram-sync: You should have email.
[17:19] <telegram-sync>  /msg NickServ VERIFY EMAILCHG Telegram 737159454
[17:19] <telegram-sync> this seems broken
[17:20] <telegram-sync> [NickServ] Please log in before attempting to verify your registration.
[17:20] <telegram-sync> also.. no idea why the first time the message was not registered as a command
[17:21] <Unit193> telegram-sync: Done, now you'll have one more email.  You already have the cloak set on that account.
[17:21] <Pici> 25
[17:22] <IdleOne-> bingo
[17:23] <telegram-sync> what's a cloak?
[17:24] <dax> ubottu: cloak
[17:24] <dax> oh, that's not useful, hrm
[17:25] <telegram-sync> password changed
[17:26] <telegram-sync> what's next
[17:26] <telegram-sync> ?
[17:26] <telegram-sync> can I just assign the username to the bot?
[17:30] <telegram-sync> thank you Unit193
[17:32] <Unit193> telegram-sync: Yeah, just set sasl to true, userName to telegram, and password to whatever you just set.  I also grouped ktelegram, in case you wanted to set that to your alt.
[17:36] <telegram-sync> I don't understand several terms in that stement
[17:36] <IdleOne-> which?
[17:37] <Unit193> telegram-sync: OK, you have a config file for the bot, the documentation I looked at for it say that it'll have, or you can add, 'sasl', 'username', and 'password' to the core section.
[17:40] <telegram-sync> what's sasl in this context? how do I set it?
[17:42] <Unit193> It's a method to authenticate to Freenode services and your account.
[17:45] <telegram-sync> isn't the username the same thing as the nick?
[17:47] <Unit193> Yes, in this case.  I'm looking here: https://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc/blob/develop/src/config.defaults.js#L97 and https://node-irc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/API.html#client
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> there isn't a password field in there
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> the the custom commands
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> s/the/just/
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> but the docs say otherwise....
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> interesting
[17:51] <Unit193> For example, I'd try something like http://paste.openstack.org/show/1YTOBiiq36NsmIp81vEe
[17:53] <ovidiu-florin> why the port change?
[17:54] <Unit193> Changing from plaintext to TLS connection, that's technically optional, just an example.
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll start it now
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[17:58] <Unit193> Sure, hope it helped.
[18:02] <Unit193> ovidiu-florin: What channels is this in?
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-offtopic #kubuntu-council #kubuntu-podcast #kdevelop #kde-soc
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> it doesn't reconnect
[18:08] <Unit193> Errors?
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> 22 Apr 18:08:13 - Network error: Error:<PHONE_NUMBER>74784:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:../deps/openssl/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:794:
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> 22 Apr 18:08:13 - Connection got "close" event
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> 22 Apr 18:08:13 - Disconnected: reconnecting
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> 22 Apr 18:08:13 - Waiting 2000ms before retrying
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> this keeps repeating
[18:10] <Unit193> You can debug what's going wrong in that stack, or just disable secure.
[18:12] <Unit193> You can set it to use the nick 'telegram', and looks like it didn't use/get the correct password?
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> https://paste.kde.org/pp1ykzmlp/asr71m
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> telegram is already registered
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> and not by me
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> why does it say that it's not registered?
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> telegram-sync is registered
[18:14] <Unit193> I got it dropped and registered, then transferred to you.  Handy that it tells you all that.
[18:14] <Unit193> /ns info telegram-sync doesn't agree.
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> fine...
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> I'll register it again
[18:15] <Unit193> ovidiu-florin: Nono, just use 'telegram', I transferred it to you.
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> telegram as nick?
[18:16] <telegram> with what password?
[18:16] <telegram> the previous one I had?
[18:16] <Unit193> /msg nickserv identify telegram whateverpassword you set.
[18:16] <telegram> ok
[18:16] <Unit193> Yeah, the one you set today.
[18:17] <ovidiuflorin> nothing....
[18:18] <ovidiuflorin> I've restarted it
[18:18] <ovidiuflorin> I get no logs
[18:19] <ovidiuflorin> I'll try again
[18:20] <Unit193> Yey!  It works.
[18:20] <ovidiuflorin> "telegram ubuntu/bot/telegram is now your hidden host (set by services.)"
[18:21] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[18:21] <ovidiuflorin> 'telegram', '10', 'unknown connection(s)'
[18:21] <ovidiuflorin> I get the args as an array
[18:22] <ovidiuflorin> what do those messages mean?
[18:22] <ovidiuflorin> Unit193: ^
[18:24] <ovidiuflorin> is there anything else to be done?
[18:24] <ovidiuflorin> otherwise I'll send the It's ALIVE message to everyone
[18:25] <Unit193> ovidiuflorin: Not sure about the second, but the first one is just informing you the cloak has been set.
[18:25] <ovidiuflorin> what's a cloak?
[18:25] <ovidiuflorin> I know I asked before...
[18:25]  * ovidiuflorin looks
[18:26] <Unit193> It's a vhost to cover the IP, also shows that it's an official bot: old telegram1 (~bot@<IP_ADDRESS>), new: telegram (~telegram@ubuntu/bot/telegram)
[18:27] <ovidiuflorin> ubottu: cloak
[18:27] <ovidiuflorin> the link in there is dead
[18:27] <Pici> ovidiuflorin: cloaks are what show in place of your host and display project affiliation on freenode.
[18:27] <Pici> like mine is ubuntu/member/pdpc.professional.pici
[18:29] <ovidiuflorin> ah
[18:29] <Unit193> Pici was wondering what 'telegram' was and why it was messaging a lot to the channels, /whois telegram  now shows it's a sanctioned bot.
[18:29] <ovidiuflorin> now?
[18:29] <Pici> I was indeed :)
[18:29] <Pici> telegram is now telegram!telegram@ubuntu/bot/telegram
[18:30] <Unit193> Also listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[18:30] <Unit193> Pici: /ns info telegram  too.
[18:30] <Pici> Unit193: neat
[18:32] <ovidiuflorin> thank you very much Unit193
[18:32] <Unit193> ovidiuflorin: Thanks for being receptive!
[18:33] <ovidiuflorin> I would have preffered to use the KC email, not my personal one, but that is logged publicly
[18:33] <Unit193> Yeah, that's why I didn't.  Anyone could quickly takeover the bot pretty easily.
[18:34] <Unit193> Pici: I'd use that on mine too, but too many bots under the same account. :3
[18:34] <ovidiuflorin> should I set a cloak for me?
[18:35] <ovidiuflorin> or ask for one?
[18:35] <ovidiuflorin> how does that work?
[18:35] <Unit193> ovidiuflorin: You can ask if you'd like, if you're an Ubuntu member (which I'd presume you are.)  Just would have to link to your LP page.
[18:36] <Unit193> I'd highly recommend SASL for you as well if you get one.
[18:36] <ovidiuflorin> I'm still not sure of the benefits
[18:36] <ovidiuflorin> what are they?
[18:36] <ovidiuflorin> besides bragging about project affiliation?
[18:37] <Unit193> Mainly showing that, though sometimes it's used for authentication to bots too.
[18:39] <Myrtti> Ubuntu cloak gives you rights on some channels that normal users don't get
[18:39] <Unit193> Right, that too.  Tends to be why I keep it.
[18:42] <ovidiuflorin> for now I don't think I'll ask for it....
[18:43] <ovidiuflorin> I might change my mind in 5 minutes
[18:43] <ovidiuflorin> so....
[18:43] <ovidiuflorin> don't loose hope for me
[18:43] <Unit193> Nah doesn't matter to me one way or another, whatever works for you.  Have a good one.
[18:44] <ovidiuflorin> thanks for all your help
[18:44] <ovidiuflorin> have a nice evening


[01:33] <Salt> LFNW cfp just went out - http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/present
[05:21] <valorie> thanks Salt


[00:11] <Superdave_> Anyone able to help with first booting live CD? getting the message: 'No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!'
[00:20] <KM0201> Superdave_: first thought, would be a bad burn... try reburning, and burn at the slowest setting your software allows
[00:21] <Superdave__> Ok. Would using the mini iso work better?
[00:23] <KM0201> Superdave__: the mini.iso is a text based installer... downloads a lo tof stuff from the internet, etc
[00:23] <KM0201> i wouldn't say it works better, but it works fine, but it is slower, because it downloads a lo tof stuff from the internet
[00:24] <Superdave__> Hmm. I'm doing a laptop install. What are the chances that it will work with the wireless cards that I have?
[00:25] <KM0201> Superdave__: it depends.. it detects mine no problem (atheros ar5001)
[00:25] <KM0201> i would *THINK* it would probably work fine w/ older Intels as well.. Broadcoms and Ralinks, very unlikely
[00:25] <KM0201> Superdave__: can you cable your laptop to your router temporarily?
[00:26] <KM0201> Superdave__: you also need to understand, the mini.iso, is a text based installer, it doesn't have a friendly GUI like the live cd installer... so thats something to think about as well
[00:27] <Superdave__> It's got no native Ethernet, but I do have a USB adapter that has worked with other distros no problem.
[00:27] <Superdave__> I'm cool with text based
[00:27] <KM0201> Superdave__: just cuz it works "no problem" doesn't necessarily mean its going to work w/ the alt cd.
[00:27] <Superdave__> Yeah, that's what I thought...
[00:29] <Superdave__> I'll work with the live cd.
[00:29] <KM0201> Superdave__: then i would try to reburn the ISO, very slowly.
[00:29] <KM0201> if that doesn't work, download a new ISO...
[00:29] <KM0201> and burn slowly
[00:29] <Superdave__> Ok. Thanks for the help!!
[02:57] <jmarsden> jgould: Ubuntu One support within Lubuntu is minimal-to-nonexistent right now.  It is one possible item for work in the development of Oneiric, the 11.10 release...
[04:16] <ubuntu> is lxde faster than xfce?
[04:23] <palhmbs> ubuntu, faster, & better in many, many ways!
[04:24] <palhmbs> also, xfce doesn't get away from a gdm login - lxde does!!
[04:24] <ubuntu> k
[04:26] <head_victim> jmarsden: I've used UbuntuOne in Lubuntu before. I just installed it and it worked fine.
[04:27] <head_victim> I'm pretty sure I just installed the gnome client though
[07:10] <jmarsden> head_victim: OK.  So I was at least technically correct: "Ubuntu One support within Lubuntu is minimal-to-nonexistent..."  You had to add it from a package that is not part of Lubuntu :)
[07:57] <head_victim> jmarsden: just letting you know it is possible to have it working, just not really integrated. So that's at least a start
[07:58] <jmarsden> Yes, it's good to know.  How many GNOME libraries did adding the GNOME client drag in with it?
[08:06] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm off again. See y'all soon (about 30 mins or so). Aloha!
[08:20] <palhmbs> jmarsden, I've just found out that I have 3D support on my video - what's some neat WM effects that I can do with Openbox / Lubuntu?
[08:21] <jmarsden> palhmbs: None at all, out of the box.  Some folks do add compiz etc etc but that kind of thing is not really a design goal of Lubuntu as far as I know.
[08:22] <palhmbs> ah right - so compiz is the favorite then?
[08:22] <jmarsden> For 3D desktop effects, yes, I think so.  I don't use it myself; the 3Dness in my desktop video card only gets used when I do something that needs it, like 3D CAD :)
[08:23] <palhmbs> 3D CAD? - I'm designing a house, I am so grateful that you mentioned CAD, what app do you recommend?
[08:23] <palhmbs> for architecture?
[08:26] <jmarsden> I do weird 3D stuff for 3D printing ( http://reprap.org )... so I'm not a good person to recommend general purpose CAD software.  You can try freecad, but it is not really a finished product yet...
[08:27] <bioterror> you can run dcompmgr or something and replace lxpanel with docky
[08:27] <bioterror> for example
[08:27] <jmarsden> There is also librecad which I have never tried.
[08:27] <bioterror> I'm not a fan of 3D desktop neither
[08:27] <bioterror> spinning cube just makes me feel dizzy
[08:40] <palhmbs> jmarsden, I've looked at reprap - my dad is a tv & radio technician and HAM operator - I thought he'd be quite interested in reprapping his own parts.
[08:42] <jmarsden> palhmbs: It is a technology with a lot of potential.  I'm a member of the reprap.org core team, although these days I am pretty inactive... it's a lot of fun, and a big challenge to make it actually work at all, although it is a lot easier now than it was a couple of years ago!
[08:44] <palhmbs> jmarsden, sure looks fun - I like the idea fixing broken plastic stuffs with it, like a cog in a video / CD player for example.
[08:44] <palhmbs> the junior reprap is sooo cute
[09:48] <UndiFineD> gilir, is there a blueprint up today ?
[09:48] <MrChrisDruif> Blueprint?
[09:49] <gilir> UndiFineD: nothing specific for Lubuntu
[09:49] <UndiFineD> ok
[11:35] <UndiFineD> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Makes-Lubuntu-Official-Derivative
[11:36] <bioterror> PAAARTTTTIIIIII!!!!
[11:38] <bioterror> http://koti.kapsi.fi/airair/arvaa/dance.gif ;D
[11:41] <koolhead11> hi all
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing is official until gilir tells us ;)
[11:57] <MrChrisDruif> Or is that the official announcement?
[12:02] <WiZ> announcement?
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> The Lubuntu is an official derivative
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Makes-Lubuntu-Official-Derivative
[12:04] <WiZ> that's what I thought you were talking about \o/
[12:06] <WiZ> although they say 'Lubuntu is mainly geared toward low-memory computers, such as the Pentium II, which packs a mere 128MB of RAM'
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> Is it wrong?
[12:09]  * koolhead11 downloading latest ISO of lubuntu 2 give a try :)
[12:16] <bioterror> I DUNNO, BUT I'M PARTYING! ;D
[12:16] <bioterror> ahh.. great job everyone! ;)
[12:20] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Is it official yet? I didn't hear gilir about it here or on the mailing-list
[12:20] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, maybe he's too busy to irc
[12:20] <stlsaint> MrChrisDruif: as of yesterday it was not official
[12:21] <stlsaint> MrChrisDruif: thats if your talking about lubuntu becoming official
[12:21] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint; I was
[12:27] <stlsaint> aye
[12:49] <head_victim> jmarsden: sorry I didn't have the time to check it then
[12:50] <head_victim> jmarsden: http://paste.ubuntu.com/606119/
[12:56] <pcman> Lubuntu will be an official derivative, is this true?
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> It will, but the real official announcement has to be made
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, IS IT TRUE?!
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, what linux magazine says
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, MrChrisDruif is saying it is not
[13:09] <gilir> bioterror: technically, it will be official when the 1st ISO will be available
[13:09] <bioterror> so it is true!
[13:10] <bioterror> \o/
[13:10] <gilir> so, unless we have big problems since this, it's true :)
[13:10] <gilir> since / until
[13:11] <bioterror> I think it wont be a problem to upload couple of iso images
[13:11] <bioterror> as we now have that 64bit version too :--)
[13:11] <MrChrisDruif> What am I doing?
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; It's not tested yet ;)
[13:14] <WiZ> well done!
[13:15] <pcman> gilir: congratulations!
[13:15] <pcman> well done!
[13:15] <gilir> thank you pcman :)
[13:16] <gilir> pcman: it was possible because you worked hard on pcmanfm/LXDE, so I should thank you first :)
[13:19] <pcman> gilir: developers are still lacking so far. :-(
[13:20] <gilir> pcman: yeah :( Hopefully, with Lubuntu offcial, we may have more contributions
[13:21] <WiZ> :)
[13:21] <bioterror> some ubuntu developers defects to lubuntu ;)
[13:21] <pcman> :)
[13:21] <bioterror> "ooohhh this new derivate, so promising!"
[13:22] <gilir> pcman: I'll try also to be more involved in LXDE developements in the next weeks  :)
[13:22] <pcman> gilir: thanks
[13:22] <bioterror> gilir, have you tried midori web browser?
[13:22] <pcman> gilir: the dir tree is 90% finished now.
[13:23] <gilir> bioterror:  I don't expect miracles so far, but who knows ? ;)
[13:23] <gilir> pcman: great news :)
[13:23] <pcman> gilir: so except for file searching, the last missing feature from the old pcmanfm 0.5 series will be available.
[13:24] <gilir> pcman: also, do you plan to add plugins system in short / medium term ?
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: it's planned
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: I saw your TODO
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: I don't have time yet to design APIs
[13:24] <gilir> pcman: ok, no problem :)
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: loading modules on startup is not very difficult.
[13:25] <pcman> gilir: the problem is how they interact with the main program.
[13:25] <gilir> pcman: plugins are not a high priority so far
[13:26] <gilir> pcman: yes, it's important to take some time to design a clean API
[13:26] <pcman> gilir: the plugin support for lxappearance, for example, is a dirty hack.
[13:26] <pcman> gilir: this cannot happen in the file manager
[13:27] <pcman> gilir: in my plan, we can have a plugin showing desktop panels.
[13:27] <pcman> gilir: so the desktop panel runs in the same process with the file manager.
[13:27] <gilir> pcman: it's an interesting feature :)
[13:28] <pcman> gilir: actually I want to make a new desktop panel.
[13:28] <pcman> gilir: a more modern, cleaner, and less buggy one.
[13:31] <gilir> pcman: but first, you need to finish the files manager :)
[13:31] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:32] <bioterror> is it possible to remove launcher (alt+f2) from lxpanel and add it somehow into openbox keybinding?
[13:32] <bioterror> I remember it was so
[13:32] <pcman> gilir: true
[13:32] <bioterror> :-)
[13:32] <pcman> gilir: I'm not able to do all of these at the same time.
[13:33] <gilir> pcman: of course, I'm aware of that :)
[13:34] <gilir> pcman: concerning the pcmanfm, do you still need the copy of exo inside libfm ?
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: yes
[13:35] <gilir> pcman: because near in the furture, we should investigate GTK3 migration, and exo is a big piece
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: it's for the icon view.
[13:35] <gilir> pcman: you can't use the standart exo library ?
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: that's not a problem by using macros
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: I only need one object in that lib.
[13:36] <pcman> gilir: it's no need to link the whole lib and it's dependencies.
[13:36] <pcman> gilir: the migration can be done with compatibility macros IMO.
[13:36] <gilir> arf that's quite big for only 1 object :/
[13:37] <pcman> gilir: the icon view in exo implements something gtk+ itself doesn't provide.
[13:37] <gilir> pcman: not sure it's possible for 100% of the code
[13:37] <pcman> gilir: I think it's possible most of the time.
[13:38] <WiZ> lol
[13:41] <stlsaint> gilir: sup
[13:41] <pcman> btw, I got an idea
[13:42] <pcman> is it possible to add messages to apt-get and synaptic to tell others , removing 'lubuntu-desktop' won't remove its dependencies?
[13:42] <pcman> I think this is one of the top one FAQs.
[13:43] <pcman> the 'lubuntu-desktop' will be removed prompt from package manager does confuses many users.
[13:43] <gilir> pcman: we probably have this problem solved in the next days/weeks, with the official build
[13:44] <pcman> gilir: oh?
[13:45] <koolhead11> woahh so non selected lang packs gets deleted. nice
[13:45] <gilir> pcman: we will remove the hard depends between lubuntu-desktop and others packages
[13:46] <koolhead11> gilir, congrats!!
[13:46] <gilir> it was because our scripts use it to build ISO
[15:14] <cjohnston> awfully nice of omg to make the announcement for lubuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/lubuntu-made-official-ubuntu-derivative/
[15:20] <phillw> cjohnston: it was on the linux magazine 1st. The news broke yesterday, but Julien had not had chance to make a release note.
[15:21] <cjohnston> I see that too
[15:21] <phillw> Excellent news regardless as to how it was released :D
[15:31] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[15:32] <kosaidpo> i wanna install the last card driver the non-free one for ati readon any guid to recomend ?? tnx
[16:26] <gnewb> I just tried apt-get update , it did not work, then I used KPackage kit/? and it did, Lubuntu 10.04, was I in error?
[16:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> thanks and congrats all for helping us in bringing lubuntu official
[17:04] <kosaidpo> CONGRATULATION GUYS
[17:09] <gnewb> Congratz
[17:57] <jonathan_> hi
[17:58] <jonathan_> hi lubuntu
[17:58] <lubuntu> hi jonathan :)
[17:58] <jonathan_> booted from the live iso?
[17:59] <lubuntu> usb stick ;)
[17:59] <lubuntu> I'm installing on my notebook.
[17:59] <jonathan_> I installed yesterday
[18:00] <jonathan_> do you know how much of the cpu xorg usually takes?
[18:00] <lubuntu> I was trying casper but it doesn't work with lubuntu :'( and other flavours have graphic issue.
[18:00] <jonathan_> it's taking betwen 12 and 20% of my cpu constantly
[18:01] <jonathan_> that doesn't seem right
[18:01] <lubuntu> I don't know :(
[18:03] <lubuntu> tomorrow I need to install ubuntu on a 8-core with 48GB... I'm thinking about lubuntu with NIS and NFS :)
[18:03] <lubuntu> Oh, I have to restart... bye bye
[18:03] <jonathan_> bye
[18:04] <jonathan_> any developers around?
[18:08] <rob0917> is ubuntu officially supporting lubuntu now?
[18:09] <jonathan_> no
[18:09] <jonathan_> 11.10 and on
[18:09] <rob0917> ok
[18:09] <rob0917> but it is in the works
[18:09] <jonathan_> yes
[18:09] <rob0917> good
[20:51] <Unit193> Howdy Salvatos ;)
[20:51] <Salvatos> Hi :)
[20:52] <Unit193> Yet another good choice!
[20:52] <Salvatos> I'm looking for info but the site is loading incredibly slowly; I'm mostly wondering if I can run lubuntu on a persistent USB
[20:55] <Unit193> Lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE (And some change in default apps) so you can do it
[20:55] <Unit193> !usb | Salvatos
[20:56] <Salvatos> Ah, thanks :)
[20:56] <Salvatos> I've tried PuppyLinux but it felt bloated, yet a bit limiting, so I'm looking for other options
[20:57] <bioterror> Salvatos, I booted lubuntu CD, waited for desktop to load, insert usb stick in and install lubuntu into that stick
[20:57] <bioterror> and remember to use ext2 with USB
[20:58] <Salvatos> I'm going to need to install directly on the USB, though, my CD burner is pretty much dead
[20:59] <bioterror> that way I can even upgrade it without a problem
[21:13] <cjohnston> 64 bit.. yay
[21:14] <bioterror> that site is giving it to me really slow
[21:14] <bioterror> been leeching it for over 2 hours
[21:20] <Unit193> bioterror: From the torrent?
[21:20] <bioterror> from that webpage
[21:20] <bioterror> torrent could be faster by now
[21:21] <cjohnston> Unit193: is there a 64bit torrent yet?
[21:21] <bioterror> yes
[21:21] <bioterror> look for mailing list
[21:21] <cjohnston> if so I'll serve it
[21:21] <cjohnston> ok
[21:23] <bioterror> I'll put ^C for the wget
[21:25] <cjohnston> who has access to add the link to the torrent on the site?
[21:27] <Unit193> It's best to test it first (I would think so anyway)
[21:28] <cjohnston> true
[21:46] <phillw> bioterror: if the 64 bit checks out okay, pop it onto my server area. Thanks.
[21:47] <bioterror> haaaa
[21:47] <bioterror> torrent is even slower
[21:47] <bioterror> maybe tomorrow then
[22:17] <palhmbs> it there a left-right audio balance app?
[22:17] <palhmbs> I haven't found the balance using alsamixer :(
[22:18] <Salvatos> Wouldn't it be the slider under the Front entry?
[22:24] <palhmbs> Salvatos, Front entry, <-- is that on the menu or panel or what?
[22:25] <Salvatos> Well as soon as I launch ALSA I get a bunch of possible outputs (Master, Headphones, PCM, Front, Surround...)
[22:25] <Salvatos> Each has a volume slider (vertical), and some have a balance slider underneath
[22:26] <palhmbs> oh wait! - Audacious has it built-in - doh!
[22:26] <palhmbs> how noob of me, my apologies
[22:26] <Salvatos> No problem :)
[23:23] <LAcan> so I wrote a bash script that moves a rather lrge file over a slow network connection. does anyone know how I can get the script to open the gui 'moving file' dialogue that shows a progress meter?


[14:17] <juliux> hi
[14:23] <persia> Hey juliux
[14:32] <juliux> if i try install ubuntu-desktop on a n800 i got this dependencies problems http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/394406/ my sources.list is http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/394407/
[14:33] <juliux> i followed this howto http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3127852160d9e8ec0680bf3720e08e49&t=25975
[14:35] <Stskeeps> mm, do be aware that that ubuntu howto is hardly actual ubuntu, so there might be weird interactions
[14:37] <juliux> no problem
[14:37] <juliux> it is just for testing not for productive use
[14:37] <juliux> if it's broken it is broken;)
[14:50] <persia> juliux, According to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/jaunty_probs.html it is broken today :(
[14:50] <persia> It's been working before, and will probably be working again.
[14:51] <Stskeeps> ah, nice page
[14:51]  * Stskeeps bookmarks
[14:51] <juliux> persia: thxs for the link
[14:51] <juliux> persia: i just find my n800 right bevor cebit back and then it was original playya job to bring ubuntu on it;)
[14:51] <persia> Check the LP page for anything that produces uninstallable binaries.  I suspect there's probably either version skew, or FTBFS going on.
[14:52] <persia> If you had playya hacking it directly, it probably got it installed fairly sanely, so it's just archive skew that's hitting you.
[14:52] <juliux> ok
[14:53] <juliux> playya found his n810 so we will test it in the next weeks again and again;)
[14:53] <persia> Mind you, if you're feeling sufficiently inclined to hunt down the reason for the failure, and submit patches ... :)
[14:53] <juliux> i have ordered two extra sd cards today;)
[14:54]  * persia needs to dig up some out-of-archive kernels, and install jaunty on more devices one of these days
[15:01] <Stskeeps> juliux: if you need any assistance with ubuntu and such on the tablets feel free to prod me. b-man is mostly just integrating work done by me related to the mer project (we've had ubuntu/mojo since summer on the tablets but didn't want to have a seperate ubuntu distribution cos it would run into similar problems as with debian on tablets - not power saving enough :P)
[15:02] <juliux> Stskeeps: good to know
[15:02] <juliux> Stskeeps: i will wait until ubuntu-desktop is installable and then see what is working
[15:03] <persia> juliux, While you're waiting, you might want to look at mer: it's got *lots* of patches that haven't gotten to Ubuntu yet.
[15:03] <juliux> persia: what is mer?
[15:04] <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer , currently playing with new UI implementation based on some of the U-M patches :)
[15:05] <juliux> ok
[15:05] <Stskeeps> ubuntu jaunty based
[15:07] <persia> Personally, I suspect that many, if not most, of those patches will drop into karmic, but none of those who could upload had time to review all the Mer patches during jaunty.
[15:18] <lool> juliux: Could be apport failing to build on armel
[15:18] <lool> Unfortunately, a bunch of main packages failed to build on armel
[15:20] <persia> lool, More than apport.  See the jaunty-probs report.
[15:49] <lool> persia: There's more than apport failing, but I suspect it's causing the uninstallability because of arch: all/any deps
[15:49] <lool> ANyway
[18:19] <juliux> sorry for the stupid question but what is the menu/swap key on a n800?
[18:19] <Stskeeps> the middle one below dpad
[18:19] <juliux> Stskeeps: thxs
[18:20] <juliux> Stskeeps: mer installations runs fine for me
[18:20] <juliux> thxs for the cool install script
[18:21] <Stskeeps> hehe, say thanks to b-man for that part :)
[18:22] <juliux> ok
[18:46] <juliux> Stskeeps: is there a special irc channel for mer?
[18:51] <Stskeeps> juliux: we mostly hang out in #maemo and #mer
[18:51] <juliux> ok
[23:14] <NCommander> hey lool, I tested ubuntu-desktop on a fresh install twice, its not uninstallable for me
[23:15] <NCommander> lool, I also have most of my patches to actually get RedBoot to build merged into bazaar repos (ecos's config tools need patching :-/)


[00:05] <elopio> sergiusens: can you add snappy-m-o to snapcraft and give him pull and push requests?
[00:14] <sergiusens> elopio, sure
[00:14] <sergiusens> elopio, what does that guy do?
[00:14] <elopio> sergiusens: trigger the examples tests in jenkins and report back the results.
[00:15] <sergiusens> elopio, should be there now; same team as us so should be able to do the right stuff
[00:15] <sergiusens> elopio, nice
[00:16] <elopio> sergiusens: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy-jenkins/pull/40
[00:20] <sergiusens> elopio, your bug link should live in the commit https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/226/commits
[00:20] <sergiusens> not the merge commit
[00:20] <sergiusens> elopio, look at the blue here https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft/commit/143579fb4b68c2d79846c9b6de0a837a8f40bb54
[00:21] <sergiusens> elopio, when compared to here https://github.com/elopio/snapcraft/commit/accb773a7fb46bbaf0d83cd798ee289a592f1872
[00:21] <elopio> sergiusens: yes, I got it from your last comment. I'm sorry.
[00:21] <elopio> I can add it when I hit the Merge button.
[00:21] <sergiusens> elopio, no worries; the merge commit is not the same though
[00:23] <elopio> sergiusens: I almost got this right: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/commit/5fe67a88ca6c7d35c210758869e0882aae6196c5
[00:27] <sergiusens> elopio, pergect
[00:27] <sergiusens> well, if written correctly :-P
[00:27] <sergiusens> perfect*
[00:28] <elopio> next time :)
[00:31] <sergiusens> elopio, I'll check all your PRs later, need to spend some family quality time now
[00:31] <elopio> sergiusens: don't worry. This will be blocked until tomorrow.
[00:38] <Armenta> how to make work webdm behind a internet proxy? I do not know how to setup a proxy in ubuntu-core
[01:13] <sergiusens> elopio, what does 'okay' mean? :-)
[01:24] <Armenta> Hello people. I have a dimmie question, how to make work webdm behind a internet proxy? I know I need to configure the proxy, I try using  export http_proxy=ht***** in sudo and normal session but only affects the session, don't affect the wide system and the webdm complains: "Error: Get https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?**** read: connection refused"
[01:31] <sergiusens> Armenta, I don't think proxies are supported
[01:32] <sergiusens> not hard to add, maybe log a bug
[01:32] <sergiusens> ?
[01:33] <Armenta> Thank you sergiusens, I will try to log a bug
[01:40] <liuxg> sergiusens, ping
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <wxl> evening dholbach. just got through with a heated game of moon-buggy
[07:42] <dholbach> :-)
[07:42] <dholbach> wxl: that was more of a test of snapcraft's features :-)
[07:43] <wxl> dholbach: i know. still fun. but you should have done nethack XD
[07:43] <dholbach> see if you can do it :)
[07:43] <dholbach> for moon-buggy the "packaging" was just:
[07:43] <dholbach> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+junk/moon-buggy/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[07:43] <wxl> thankfully ogra_ took care of that
[07:43] <dholbach> ah, great
[07:44] <wxl> like really whoa!
[07:44] <wxl> hm i'll have to snap something up now XD
[07:45] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/snappy/build-apps/
[07:45] <wxl> yep. working on getting my way over there. had a heck of a time getting the download to get the right image.
[07:46] <wxl> i need to play with ubuntu-device-flash and create my own
[07:46] <dholbach> ok
[07:46] <wxl> it seems there's no ubuntu-core for i386, eh?
[07:47] <dholbach> somebody asked the question before, but I can't remember the answer
[07:47] <dholbach> mvo: ^ do you know?
[07:48] <mvo> wxl: no official release but you can build one using ubuntu-device-flash
[07:48] <mvo> dholbach: good morning!
[07:48] <dholbach> mvo: hola muchacho
[07:54] <wxl> mvo: ubuntu-device-flash query --device generic_i386 --channel ubuntu-core/15.04/stable --list-images → nil
[07:54] <mvo> wxl: yeah, no stable image, sorry for that, please try "edge" that should be ok, very little churn on the 15.04 channel.
[07:55] <wxl> ohhh great thanks mvo
[07:57] <wxl> creating image yay :)
[07:59] <mvo> :)
[08:01] <zyga> good morning! :)
[08:07]  * zyga needs to finish a few tests and push the changes for review
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Skeptics Day! 😃
[10:37] <seb128> mvo__, hey, did you notice that ubuntu-snappy was blocked in xenial-proposed because it fails to build on powerpc/s390x? the new snapshot you just upload still has the issue it seems...
[10:43] <mvo__> seb128: I have a look, but I think it would be good if it could be allowed through even though it fails on these two arches. but let me check what it takes to fix it
[10:50] <xnox> mvo__, to be allowed through, you should request binaries to be removed for those arches from xenial-release.
[11:01] <seb128> mvo__, what xnox said
[11:10] <sergiusens> elopio, kyrofa I need to take the car to the shop for maintenance today; I might barely make it to the standup
[11:11] <renat> Hi all! Its Renat from Screenly.
[11:11] <renat> =)
[11:11] <sergiusens> hello
[11:18] <zyga> one more test and caps simplification will work :)
[11:51] <renat> I'm trying to setup a service using a snapcraft tool. Here is the snapcraft yaml.: http://pastebin.com/SnzKHX2n
[11:51] <renat> But for the some reason - systemd is killing my service
[11:52] <renat> Here is its output. http://pastebin.com/UDG5ZS5C
[11:53] <renat> I can't see any reason, why application is killed, in journalctl output.
[11:53] <renat> Also - no security warnings I get.
[11:54] <renat> When I export all environment variables from the service file, and then execute ExecStart command - everything goes ok.
[11:56] <renat> Nothing interesting in dmesg too=(
[12:01] <renat> And here is the wrapper  script itself. http://pastebin.com/08hSijtW
[12:04] <renat> One more question. Is it possible to run a snap chrooted?
[12:18] <kyrofa> sergiusens, no problem :)
[12:21] <LefterisJP> hey guys click-review tools giving a lint error for a framework with (MANUAL REVIEW) specified basically means that in order to get that approved to be in the store I would need a manual review. I can still siedload and test of course?
[12:21] <enoch85> kyrofa, online :)
[12:24] <kyrofa> enoch85, hey there!
[12:27] <enoch85> kyrofa, how is your day today? I have around 3 hours I can work on the snappy right now
[12:27] <kyrofa> enoch85, works for me! Let's take it private
[13:13] <tzununbekov> beuno, hey. We are trying to upload our snap to app store but getting reject "(NEEDS REVIEW) 'security-policy' not allowed security_yaml_policy_present"
[13:14] <tzununbekov> beuno, could you please explain how can we pass review?
[13:14] <LefterisJP> I am working on a framework called ethereum. Sideloading it at the moment, and have a single service in it. Using an unconfined apparmor profile and a modified seccomp profile. The service's binary tries to use /root/ as it's home directory. It does so by reading the $HOME variable from what I know. Should it not be set to something like /apps/ethereum/VERSION/ ?
[13:15] <beuno> jdstrand, ^^
[13:17] <tzununbekov> according to the https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/security-policy/ , custom "security-policy" will be manually reviewed, but not rejected :)
[13:23] <beuno> tzununbekov, jdstrand can tell you more, but in general we don't allow apps to escape confinement
[13:23] <beuno> a manual review just means you ask a human to make the decision
[13:24] <beuno> most of the time, the decision is to not allow it  :)
[13:24] <beuno> but we might have solved whatever you're trying to do differently
[13:26] <tzununbekov> beuno, our app is working on the top of lxc and we took security profiles from lxd package which is available in store
[13:30] <LefterisJP> anyone got any ideas about my question posted above?
[13:30] <tzununbekov> beuno, anyway, our app needs a custom security policy. With whom we can discuss it?
[13:33] <beuno> tzununbekov, jdstrand, who should be on in a short while
[13:33] <tzununbekov> beuno, thanks
[13:41] <dshihovtsev> Hi all, is there any way to read history of this channel somewhere online?
[13:43] <seb128> dshihovtsev, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/13/%23snappy.html
[13:43] <dshihovtsev> seb128, thanks
[13:43] <seb128> yw
[13:47]  * zyga pushed https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/320 for review
[13:47] <zyga> capabilities as interfaces and types!
[14:01] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, hey. What is a requirements for custom security policy to make it acceptable for uploading to store?
[14:02] <zyga> ls
[14:31] <sergiusens> kyrofa, but I made it back :-)
[14:31] <sergiusens> and waiting in the hangout :)
[14:31] <sergiusens> elopio, hangout?
[14:50] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, so, here is my snapcraft.yaml: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/rest-cam/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[14:50] <rickspencer3> the snap builds and runs no problem
[14:51] <rickspencer3> but when I uploaded it to the store, I got this error:
[14:51] <rickspencer3> Missing required field 'description' snappy-systemd_package_yaml_required_key (rest-cam, description)
[14:51] <rickspencer3> required description field not specified snappy-systemd_package_yaml_description_present (rest-cam)
[14:51] <elopio> sergiusens: https://github.com/elopio/snapcraft/commit/eab93d52b4cd5fdca8191b8e25a17285683615f9 yay!
[14:51] <rickspencer3> any idea what I did wrong?
[14:54] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, your service needs a description
[14:54] <rickspencer3> oh!
[14:54] <kyrofa> sergiusens, should snapcraft catch that? ^^
[14:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, 2.0 it is generated automatically
[14:55] <ogra_> yeah
[14:55] <kyrofa> sergiusens, ah
[14:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, in 1.x it might be a required field
[14:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, more so, in 2.0 it is not a required field in the internal format; for backwards compat it is generated automatically for package.yaml
[14:56] <sergiusens> elopio, well done ;-)
[14:56] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, are you still running out of master?
[14:56] <rickspencer3> kyrofa, I was never running out of master so far as I know
[14:56] <rickspencer3> I am on Xenial
[14:56] <sergiusens> kyrofa, I don't think he updated or else he would be complaining about 'apps' changing ;-)
[14:56] <rickspencer3> and I did sudo apt-get snapcraft in classic dimension
[14:57] <kyrofa> sergiusens, erhm, yes I suppose so
[14:57] <kyrofa> sergiusens, so it must not be required in 1.0 then
[14:57] <sergiusens> kyrofa, oh, it certainly isn't; the review tools do capture it though so it is all not that bad
[14:57] <kyrofa> Okay very good. Yeah rickspencer3 just add the description, you should be good to go
[14:58] <rickspencer3> thanks kyrofa, I'll get to is asap
[14:58] <rickspencer3> for our phone SDK, the IDE automatically runs the review tools locally after building a click
[14:58] <rickspencer3> so you can iterate on your packaging very easily
[14:59] <rickspencer3> without roundtripping through the store
[14:59] <rickspencer3> that would be a nice feature of snapcraft, to run those tools
[14:59] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, in 1.x it is run if installed
[14:59] <rickspencer3> sweet
[14:59] <kyrofa> sergiusens, oh cool, I didn't know that either
[14:59] <rickspencer3> thanks sergiusens and kyrofa
[14:59] <rickspencer3> I really appreciate your help
[14:59] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, any time!
[14:59]  * rickspencer3 hugs snappy community
[15:00] <rickspencer3> I am loving snappy these days, it is a joy to develop for
[15:00] <sergiusens> \o/
[15:00] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, then we're meeting our goal!
[15:02] <kyrofa> sergiusens, ignoring bug #1531481, I'm trying to understand how one builds part A from source, and then builds part B from source where part B depends upon part A
[15:02] <kyrofa> sergiusens, using the `after` key, does that mean part A is staged before B is ever built?
[15:04] <kyrofa> Ah, yes, okay docs for the win
[15:04] <elopio> kyrofa: sergiusens: tomcat built on xenial fails to install on rolling: tomcat-webapp-demo_1.0_amd64.snap failed to install: could not find specified cap: networking (&{apparmor /usr/share/apparmor/easyprof})
[15:04] <kyrofa> sergiusens, which makes you fix make sense, then. And using the `after` key is the official way to do exactly that (my A-B example, I mean)
[15:04] <kyrofa> Right?
[15:07] <kyrofa> sergiusens, assuming so, let's say I get to the point where A is built and staged, and now B is building. However, the process of building B not only requires access to headers and libs, but the ability to actually run a binary from A. However, said binary was built with a prefix and a destdir that are both invalid in the stage dir. How do I patch that binary to be runnable?
[15:10] <kyrofa> sergiusens, the only way I can think of right now is to patch the binary upon install (where it goes to 'parts/foo/install') to actually point to 'stage' so it's runnable when staged. That feels yucky, fragile, and very snapcraft-centric to me, which I think is not ideal
[15:12] <sergiusens> kyrofa, the latter is the only way I think so without patching upstream to make the script location independent
[15:13] <sergiusens> kyrofa, which is the other thing that can be done, make the script itself location independent
[15:15] <kyrofa> sergiusens, true... but yeah I don't see that happening for apache. The way apache modules are built is by calling the apxs binary which sets up all the include paths and stuff, which means it must be pointing to somewhere
[15:16] <sergiusens> kyrofa, hmm, we might then need and apache plugin :-/
[15:17] <kyrofa> sergiusens, hmm... yeah maybe. I'll keep that in mind as I continue. For now I'll just continue doing it all in one part
[15:17] <kyrofa> sergiusens, once I have something working I'll step back and see how complex it turned out to be :P
[15:19] <sergiusens> elopio, right, caps changed in xenial I think 'networking' is no longer required or not longer exists or changed name; tyhicks or jdstrand care to refresh my feeble mind?
[15:23] <sergiusens> mvo, does that recently released image have the env var changes too?
[15:27] <jdstrand> sergiusens, elopio: networking is now network-client
[15:27] <mvo> sergiusens: yes, sorry, forgot to mention that in the annoucement
[15:28] <mvo> sergiusens: the existing vars SNAP_* are still there for compatiblity though
[15:28] <elopio> jdstrand: let me try thtat.
[15:28] <sergiusens> mvo, yeah, but I'll get a PR now to be completely up to date
[15:28] <sergiusens> jdstrand, thank you
[15:28] <sergiusens> mvo, thanks :-)
[15:35] <mvo> sergiusens: yw!
[16:15] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, hey, beuno said that you can help with security policies for package
[16:16] <tzununbekov> what is a requirements for custom security policy to make it acceptable for uploading to store?
[16:20] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: if you own your own store, you can upload/accept custom policy for your store. otherwise, the framework author (iirc, you had a question about frameworks) would need to engage with Canonical
[16:21] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: so, if this is for the public store, it might make sense to bring up your framework on the snappy-devel mailing list (regardless of security policy), especially since the notion of frameworks is changing in 16.04
[16:36] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, and what if it's not a framework?
[16:39] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: Canonical policies are such that we don't allow apps into the public store with custom security policy unless the app author has a relationship with Canonical. if the author has a private store, then the author can have whatever policy they want
[16:39] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: what are the accesses you need?
[16:40] <jdstrand> perhaps you don't actually need custom policy or there is a bug fix we can add
[16:43] <fgimenez> elopio, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/ PR is on its way
[16:44] <elopio> fgimenez: cool :)
[16:53] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, we are running lxc containers and using cgroup manager to change the parent process id. Security profile that was applied for parent process blocks the commands inside the containers
[16:56] <tzununbekov> does it fit into the application functionality or it's more like framework?
[16:59] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: fyi, there is already the lxd framework that is in the store
[17:00] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: but to bundle it yourselves it could be either an app or a framework, but on 15.04 there is no policy that you can specify to allow this (obviously, running containers requires privileged access to the system (though not user containers and we are making those work, but I digress))
[17:03] <beowulf> hayalp, i can't seem to build an image with u-d-f on vivid: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14488444/
[17:06] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, btw, LXD is unrestricted, it has full access to the root
[17:06] <jdstrand> yes, but the author is a Canonical employee
[17:10] <tzununbekov> It would be nice to have a similar security privileges :)
[17:10] <tzununbekov>  actually, our app is pretty complex package and we have a several security related points to discuss with Canonical. How it's better to do?
[17:12] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: probably bring it up with manik or mectors or asac
[17:12] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: asac is here now, he may privmsg you, otherwise you can look for the others
[17:13] <sergiusens> kyrofa, https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/229
[17:13]  * zyga works on a capability type interface
[17:13] <tzununbekov> jdstrand, thanks a lot for advise)
[17:14] <jdstrand> tzununbekov: np
[17:31]  * zyga -> some scotch and back to hacking
[17:56] <sergiusens> elopio, do you know what's going on with travis?
[17:57] <sergiusens> elopio, oh, this https://www.traviscistatus.com/
[18:31] <bellyfeel> is there a way to get more verbose output from snapcraft pull?
[18:31] <kyrofa> bellyfeel, still running into i386 issues on amd64?
[18:31] <bellyfeel> yes sir
[18:32] <kyrofa> You may have missed me yesterday-- Snapcraft isn't setup that way. It uses the sources for the host arch. Try running on a i386 VM
[18:33] <sergiusens> kyrofa, did you see my PR btw? seems to be network errors everywhere :-P
[18:33] <bellyfeel> interesting, thanks
[18:33] <kyrofa> sergiusens, haha, yeah I keep disconnecting too
[18:34] <kyrofa> bellyfeel, compiling for i386 on amd64 is cross compiling, just like compiling for armhf from amd64. Snapcraft doesn't support that yet
[18:35] <bellyfeel> ahh, okay.
[18:36] <bellyfeel> Yea I'm still learning snappy and understanding my workflow.
[18:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, you know why the test is fragile though? They depend on get_arch_triplet :-P
[18:55] <sergiusens> I'll fix that
[18:55] <kyrofa> sergiusens, yeah mine do too... :P
[18:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, yeah, I'm fixing it in setUp ;-)
[18:55] <kyrofa> sergiusens, yay!
[19:00] <sergiusens> done
[19:03]  * zyga pushed pull request 322
[19:04] <zyga> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/322
[19:04] <zyga> this makes capability types extensible
[19:04] <zyga> please have a look if you are interested in capabilities
[19:25] <jerryG> Chipaca: hi
[19:26] <wxl> how do i debug ubuntu-device-flash complaing about issues when partitioning?
[19:30] <anpok> sergiusens: hi.. still around?
[19:30] <sergiusens> anpok, yes
[19:30] <anpok> do you have a branch for #1531481 i could continue to play with.. and then also fix nfs-utils
[19:44] <sergiusens> anpok, yes https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/229
[19:48] <elopio> I'm sorry, I had a blackout
[19:50] <kyrofa> elopio, it really does sound like you're in a jungle :P
[19:52] <kyrofa> Holy crap fingers. cp != rm -rf
[19:55] <sergiusens> elopio, did this work for you https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/228/files ?
[19:55] <sergiusens> elopio, no worries, travis died while you were gone
[19:56] <sergiusens> kyrofa, indeed, be careful
[19:56] <kyrofa> sergiusens, long day :P
[19:58] <sergiusens> kyrofa, the ubuntu unpacking needs more work; it isn't making it to the snap dir :-/
[19:58] <kyrofa> sergiusens, hmm...
[19:58] <sergiusens> kyrofa, because all matches originate from installdir ;-)
[19:59] <kyrofa> sergiusens, ah, right yeah. All the catkin env stuff uses the installdir, too
[19:59] <kyrofa> sergiusens, is that going to matter?
[20:00] <sergiusens> kyrofa, yes, I have another trick under my sleeve
[20:01] <sergiusens> kyrofa, too bad python apt doesn't give me a list of downloaded packages
[20:01] <sergiusens> would of been easier
[20:02] <rickspencer3> does anyone know if there is a sensible way for a snap to get its own version number?
[20:02] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, load the yaml from its meta dir
[20:03] <sergiusens> that's what we do in webdm fwiw
[20:03] <rickspencer3> just parse the yaml?
[20:03]  * rickspencer3 shrugs
[20:03] <sergiusens> yeah
[20:03] <rickspencer3> sounds straightforward enough
[20:12] <Chipaca> jerryG: 'sup
[20:31] <jerryG> Chipaca: Do you know what darren landol's username is on irc?... is he ever online?
[20:31] <Chipaca> jerryG: no, i don't
[20:32] <Chipaca> jerryG: i also don't know who darren landol is
[20:35] <sergiusens> kyrofa, check the branch again
[20:37] <zyga> I've pushed some more bits to https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/322
[20:38] <sergiusens> kyrofa, hmm, there are some corner cases to this...
[20:39] <sergiusens> darn stage-packages...
[21:12] <tedg> sergiusens: Looking at snapcraft, and when making the squashfs it mentions my uid. Is my UID encoded into the snap?
[21:29] <elopio> sergiusens: yes, it worked for me.
[22:05] <amriunix> install RPI2 GPIO API on snappy ?
[22:33] <rickspencer3> hey all
[22:33] <rickspencer3> fyi, I got my rest-cam snap into the store today
[22:34] <rickspencer3> It should be reasonably easy to use
[22:41] <kyrofa> enoch85, ping
[22:42] <enoch85> kyrofa, here
[22:50] <jerryG> Chipaca: k thx
[23:08] <sergiusens> tedg, now, the snapid is generated by the store, but beuno and friends are still working on that
[23:12] <tedg> sergiusens, thinking about the uid/guid stuff in the squash fs output https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YHD0RJqm/
[23:13] <tedg> Seems odd that's getting encoded into my snap
[23:14] <sergiusens> tedg, oh, now I see what you mean
[23:14] <sergiusens> I guess it needs some fakerooting magic ;-)
[23:15] <tedg> Yeah, perhaps, or some crazy command line argument. As kernel tools do.
[23:37] <liuxg> Chipaca, ping
[23:38] <liuxg> sergiusens, ping
[23:48] <fazer> sergiusens, Can I have some help squashing my commits? I used git rebase -i master but I wasn't allowed to squash all the commits, so I rebased a couple, but I over rebased and now I have a big mess of commits. This is the pr: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/217
[23:54] <wxl> anyone know how to debug a partitioning issue with ubuntu-device-flash?
[23:55] <tsimonq2> wxl: RTFM? :P
[23:55] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:55] <fazer> elopio, kyrofa ^^
[23:55] <wxl> tsimonq2: you show me in the manual where that's covered
[23:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: heheheh, partitioning specifications? :P
[23:58] <wxl> tsimonq2: ubuntu-device-flash --verbose core --device generic_i386 --channel ubuntu-core/15.04/edge --output mysnappy.img
[23:58] <tsimonq2> oh
[23:59]  * tsimonq2 remains silent and waits for the experts XD


[00:49] <squish102> superfly: i woork for a retailer called dollar tree
[00:49] <superfly> squish102: oh, yep, I've heard of them
[00:50] <squish102> they quite big as a company but don't spend so much on IT
[00:50] <squish102> only have 500-600 ppl in IT
[00:51] <squish102> probably 1000 if you count contractors
[07:12] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[08:29] <Kilos> o/
[09:24] <Kilos> aw where is maaz
[09:26] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Maaz needs his weekend too it seems
[09:27] <Kilos> hehe
[09:29] <Kilos> aw cant get into my site
[09:30] <Kilos> maaz keeps the correct link
[09:30] <Kilos> sigh
[09:38] <theblazehen> morning all
[09:38] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[09:38]  * theblazehen is buying another 2 SSDs :)
[09:39] <theblazehen> That I probably shouldn't
[09:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:41] <Kilos> dont waste
[09:41] <Kilos> only get what you need
[09:42] <theblazehen> Couldn't get just one.. raid 1 isn't faster than raid 0 in speed, and I need 3 for raid 5
[09:42] <theblazehen> Don't trust raid 0 at all
[09:42] <Kilos> why all ssd
[09:42] <Kilos> speed?
[09:43] <theblazehen> And getting new motherboard and pci-e to sata
[09:43] <theblazehen> Yeah, not _all_ ssd :)
[09:43] <Kilos> they expensive for their size
[09:43] <theblazehen> Gonna have the 3 SSDs be cache for my 12 HDDs
[09:43] <Kilos> aha
[09:43] <theblazehen> And HDDs in RAID 10
[09:44] <theblazehen> And need new motherboard for more sata ports + a faster pci-e link for my GPU, only got a 1x link at the moment, horribly slow, as GPU wants 16x
[09:47] <Kilos> eish
[09:48] <theblazehen> A bit dirty but, http://imgur.com/a/RbrMi current storage box
[09:48] <theblazehen> It's a mess lol
[09:52] <chesedo> morning all
[09:52] <inetpro> theblazehen: and you do ceph on top of raid 5 as well?
[09:52]  * chesedo thought raid1 and raid0 where not the same any way...
[09:52] <Kilos> hi chesedo inetpro
[09:52] <theblazehen> inetpro nah, just gonna do my current bcache + lvm
[09:52] <theblazehen> chesedo they're not
[09:53] <theblazehen> I wouldn't risk adding a 2nd drive in raid 0, and 2nd drive in raid 1 won't help performance, so I need to get 2 extra drives to make it 3 for raid 5
[09:55]  * chesedo means that 0 is for extending and 1 for mirroring
[09:56] <theblazehen> yeah
[09:56] <theblazehen> And I'm saying 1 extra drive is useless to me
[09:57] <theblazehen> Wish I could upgrade the ram though... Can only fit 32 GB on the board, to be shared between my pc, storage server (1.5 GB or so), and brothers gaming pc...
[09:58] <theblazehen> My pc only has 19 GB at the moment...
[10:01]  * theblazehen forgot to migrate my quassel core to my server... Lets see if live migration works
[10:02] <theblazehen> Laptop it's currently running on is a bit low on specs...
[10:03] <theblazehen> Running my router vm, vpn vm, apt-cacher-ng + others (planned) container,  samba server, backup server, and quassel core on 4 GiB RAM
[10:20] <theblazehen> fsck. Criu didn't work. Gonna need to shut down to transfer the container
[13:12] <chesedo> ebusuku: which kind of web application is that?
[15:07] <ebusuku> Hi chesedo
[15:07] <ebusuku> django application
[17:11] <tumbleweed> win 36
[17:26] <Langjan> Good evening all
[17:34] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[17:34] <Kilos> evening everyone else
[17:35] <Langjan> Hi kil
[17:35] <Langjan> Kilos,
[17:35] <Kilos> haha you forgot how tab works
[17:36] <Langjan> preoccupied, lmga
[17:36] <Langjan> you ok?
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <Kilos> yessir ty im fine
[17:36] <Kilos> just tired
[17:36] <Kilos> days seem to have got longer
[17:36] <Langjan> good, do you feel the vit C helped you?
[17:36] <Kilos> no
[17:37] <Kilos> i never feel any diffs with whatever
[17:37] <Langjan> so what did?
[17:37] <Kilos> like peeps say coffee keeps you awake
[17:37] <Langjan> not me
[17:37] <Kilos> i drink a beer mug of coffee then sleep
[17:38] <Kilos> and pain killers that make others lame just touch sides with me
[17:38] <Langjan> Hardegat jongman...
[17:38] <Kilos> different system i spose
[17:39] <Kilos> look at tara and my dna results, try find a higher count
[17:39] <Kilos> im an alien i think
[17:40] <Langjan> From which planet?
[17:40] <Kilos> i have no idea
[17:40] <Kilos> anyway i go the 24th for tests at steve biko
[17:40] <Kilos> they said no food, only water. and only meat and veggiers day before
[17:41] <Kilos> and i go monday for meds
[17:41] <Langjan> Sjoe, so you must wait a long time, are they that busy?A
[17:41] <Kilos> poor ian losing lots of working time
[17:42] <Kilos> well the heart surger department has a 2 to three year waiting list
[17:42] <Kilos> they only squeeze very bad cases in between
[17:51] <Langjan> Well good luck, I sincerely hope they will sort your problem out
[17:52]  * inetpro too
[17:52] <inetpro> good evening Langjan
[17:52] <Langjan> hello inetpro how are you keeping?
[17:52] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else and superfly as well
[17:53] <chesedo> ebusuku: i've heard good things about dreamhost... and they support python
[17:53] <inetpro> good and you oom Langjan
[17:53] <inetpro> ebusuku: welcome back
[17:53] <Langjan> Also well thks just battling a bit
[17:54] <superfly> ebusuku: are you looking for a local (ZA) hoster, or international hosting?
[17:54] <inetpro> Langjan: what did you break?
[17:56]  * superfly was editing Apache configs on his server using vim via SSH on his phone last night. yet another reason to prefer vim
[17:56] <chesedo> ebusuku: superfly is our python expert so he will be most reliable
[17:57] <chesedo> wow superfly
[17:57] <Langjan> inetpro, I discovered that my cpu is 64 bit so I installed 16.04 64 bit
[17:58] <Langjan> was given the impression that timeshift will restore apps but did not work out
[17:58] <inetpro> superfly: I've done that before but with a small screen and soft keyboard can be quite challenging
[17:59] <superfly> inetpro: with vim (and using vim like you're meant to) it was actually really easy. I think also the fact that I have a decent internet connection helps a lot - the lag is minimal
[18:00] <inetpro> Langjan: who gave that impression?
[18:00] <Langjan> The guy who runs the timeshift website
[18:01] <Langjan> anyway I have reinstalled most of the stuff but have a few packages that are messing me around
[18:01]  * inetpro gies to read about timeshift
[18:01] <inetpro> TimeShift is a 2007 first-person shooter?
[18:02] <inetpro> s/gies/goes/
[18:02] <superfly> https://launchpad.net/timeshift
[18:03]  * inetpro found http://www.teejeetech.in/p/timeshift.html
[18:03] <Langjan> Tony George
[18:03] <Langjan> Correct
[18:04] <superfly> Langjan: you can't just run 32-bit apps on a 64-bit operating system. you have to run the 64-bit versions
[18:04] <superfly> also, from what I can see, it's up to how you set up TimeShift
[18:06] <Langjan> Yes I have installed some 64 bit apps
[18:06] <superfly> Langjan: so if TimeShift restored the 32-bit apps, they will not work.
[18:07] <Langjan> Well I did not restore anything via Timeshift in the end
[18:08] <Langjan> but did copy my home folder over and maybe created some conflicts?
[18:08] <Langjan> e.g. synaptic intalls but does not open
[18:08] <Langjan> installs
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> try run it from cli
[18:09] <Kilos> sudo synaptic
[18:09] <Langjan> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyFailed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[18:09] <Langjan> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[18:09] <Langjan> (synaptic:14412): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[18:10] <Kilos> sudo apt install synaptic
[18:11] <Langjan> something happening now
[18:11] <Kilos> installing?
[18:12] <Langjan> Had to do apt-get -f install
[18:12] <Kilos> ok
[18:12] <Langjan> dont know what it did but it ran
[18:13] <Kilos> dependencies not installed or orther packages not fully installed i think
[18:13] <Langjan> ok now it says synaptic is already latest version
[18:14] <Kilos> ok sudo synaptic
[18:14] <Langjan> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyFailed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[18:14] <Langjan> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[18:14] <Langjan> (synaptic:15214): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[18:14] <Kilos> ai!
[18:15] <Kilos> sudo apt install aptitude
[18:15] <Langjan> And does not open via launcher either
[18:15] <Kilos> is your screen plugged in
[18:15] <Langjan> ok
[18:15] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:15] <Langjan> jy spot met siekte seuntjie
[18:15] <Kilos> ok so something missing
[18:15] <Kilos> sudo apt update
[18:16] <Langjan> waiting for aptitude to install
[18:16] <Kilos> still
[18:16] <Kilos> is that an 18bit machine
[18:16] <Langjan> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/hplip-isv/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:17] <Kilos> sudo apt update
[18:18] <Langjan> That was the output from update
[18:18] <Kilos> again
[18:18] <Langjan> ok
[18:18] <Kilos> mabe change repos to neology
[18:19] <Kilos> if it fails again
[18:19] <Langjan> same result, am on neulogy
[18:19] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:19] <Langjan> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[18:19] <Langjan> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[18:19] <Langjan> ok
[18:20] <Langjan> and then?
[18:20] <Kilos> did it do aything
[18:21] <Kilos> do the -f command again
[18:21] <Langjan> just went to the next prompt
[18:21] <Kilos> sudo apt-get -f install i think it was
[18:22] <Langjan> Nothing to do there, nil return
[18:22] <Kilos> ok so synatic not starting the display or something
[18:23] <Kilos> thats work for brainy peeps
[18:23] <Kilos> inetpro fix it
[18:23] <Kilos> try
[18:23] <Kilos> sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[18:23] <Langjan> ok
[18:24] <Langjan> Nothing to do there either
[18:24] <Kilos> are you sure there is ram in that machine?
[18:24] <Langjan> 8 Gb
[18:24] <Kilos> or ewe
[18:24] <Langjan> ewe?
[18:24] <Kilos> you sure thew ram not dead
[18:25] <Kilos> aybe on someones braai
[18:25] <Kilos> ai! ek terg toppie
[18:25] <Langjan> well its running so fast maybe it ran away to the ewes
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> ok im sure something not installed properly
[18:26] <Kilos> go to software centre
[18:26] <Kilos> type in synaptic
[18:26] <Kilos> tell it install
[18:27] <Kilos> lets see what that says
[18:28] <magespawn> good evening
[18:28] <Langjan> It says install as if its not installed, then when I say install it says installed almost immediately
[18:28] <Langjan> hi magespawn
[18:28] <magespawn> hi Langjan
[18:29] <Langjan> Theres an unknown package "waiting to install"
[18:29] <Kilos> aha
[18:29] <Langjan> shows up in the launcher
[18:29] <Kilos> how does one find out what that might be
[18:29] <nasanzero> good evening guys
[18:29] <Kilos> hi nasanzero
[18:29] <Langjan> hi nasanzero
[18:30] <Kilos> wrong nick
[18:30] <nasanzero> hi Kilos
[18:30] <nasanzero> hi Langjan
[18:30] <superfly> Langjan: ignore those errors, that's typical GTK
[18:30] <nasanzero> hi superfly
[18:30] <superfly> [11:09:53] <Langjan> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyFailed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[18:30] <superfly> [11:09:53] <Langjan> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[18:30] <superfly> [11:09:53] <Langjan> (synaptic:14412): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[18:30] <superfly> hi nasanzero
[18:31] <Kilos> superfly he cant open things from launcher even
[18:32] <Kilos> Langjan you using ubuntu?
[18:32] <nasanzero> trying out weechat over irssi tonight
[18:32] <Langjan> Synaptic shows in launcher but click and it goes away after a while
[18:32] <Kilos> Langjan
[18:32] <Langjan> yes 16.04
[18:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:33] <Kilos> try sudo synaptic again
[18:33] <Langjan> ok
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: don't sudo synaptic -- doesn't synaptic ask for password?
[18:34] <Kilos> yes if it opens it asks superfly
[18:34] <nasanzero> looks like your gnome/mir/unity install is damaged Langjan
[18:34] <Kilos> he cant get it to open
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos: so you're never going to figure out what the problem is if you use sudo
[18:34] <superfly> just run "synaptic" and then see what the output is
[18:35] <Kilos> if we can get it to open he can look for broken packages with it
[18:35] <superfly> nasanzero: I wasn't aware that Ubuntu was using Mir yet
[18:35] <superfly> Kilos: you don't need synaptic for that
[18:35] <superfly> just "sudo apt -f install"
[18:35] <Kilos> tried that
[18:35] <Kilos> made no diffs
[18:35] <Langjan> Wow superfly that opened synaptic immediately
[18:36] <Kilos> ok Langjan reload synaptic
[18:36] <Kilos> then mark all updates
[18:37] <nasanzero> superfly: i not sure what they call it - i dont use ubuntu - sorry
[18:37] <Kilos> i mean in synaptic hit the reload button
[18:37] <Kilos> does same as apt update
[18:37] <superfly> nasanzero: I meant, I thought they were still using Xorg
[18:38] <Langjan> Kilos, synaptic does not allow "apply"
[18:39] <Kilos> then there may be n one
[18:39] <superfly> Langjan: forget synaptic, use the terminal. Type: sudo apt update
[18:39] <superfly> Langjan: then: sudo apt upgrade
[18:39] <nasanzero> superfly: you are correct - xorg as mir is not mainstream yet
[18:39] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:39] <superfly> You too, Kilos
[18:39] <Kilos> no man ty for helping him
[18:40] <Langjan> ok running update
[18:40] <Kilos> i had that prob maybe 3 releases ago
[18:40] <Langjan> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/hplip-isv/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:40] <Langjan> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[18:40] <Langjan> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[18:40] <superfly> Langjan: that's a PPA that doesn't support your version of Ubuntu.
[18:40] <Kilos> and only way i got it fixed was to right click reinstall everything showing installed in synaptic
[18:41] <Langjan> Upgrade does not add anything
[18:42] <Langjan> This is all I can do in Synaptic via terminal: You will not be able to apply any changes, but you can still export the marked changes or create a download script for them.
[18:46] <nasanzero> Langjan: did you install something recently ?
[18:47] <Langjan> nasanzero, I did a fresh install of ubuntu 16.04 64 bit
[18:47] <Langjan> then installed some apps via software centre and skype etc
[18:47] <Langjan> and added my backed up home folder
[18:48] <nasanzero> you have a ppa in you repository list
[18:49] <Langjan> not sure what you mean?
[18:49] <Langjan> yes
[18:49] <nasanzero> 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/hplip-isv/ppa/ubuntu xenial  -> this is not a standard repository
[18:50] <nasanzero> you can do a ppa purge and revert every back to standard
[18:51] <Langjan> Ok that could help
[18:52] <nasanzero> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:PPA_Name/ppa
[18:52] <Langjan> Must I put the one 's name in there that you queried?
[18:53] <nasanzero> just a moment Langjan - i am just checking
[18:54] <Langjan> I have open terminal with this: Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
[18:55] <Kilos> oi
[18:55] <Kilos> snaakse goed
[18:55] <Langjan> ja
[18:55] <nasanzero> have you tired rebooting ?
[18:56] <Langjan> No, ok shal I do that ?
[18:56] <nasanzero> wait
[18:56] <Langjan> ok
[18:56] <nasanzero> that ppa you added was last updated in 2011 !
[18:57] <Langjan> I tried to install hplip and it must have added the ppa in the process
[18:58] <nasanzero> sudo add-apt-repository -- remove ppa:hplip-isv/ppa
[18:58] <Langjan> was unsuccessful
[18:58] <Langjan> ok
[18:58] <Langjan> Error: need a single repository as argument
[18:58] <pavlushka> night Langjan :)
[18:59] <Langjan> gnight pavlushka
[18:59] <Langjan> sleep well
[18:59] <nasanzero> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:hplip-isv/ppa
[18:59] <nasanzero> oops i put an extra space in there
[18:59] <Langjan> ok thks its done
[19:00] <nasanzero> sudo apt update
[19:00] <nasanzero> sudo apt install -f
[19:00] <Langjan> running
[19:01] <Langjan> all done
[19:01] <Langjan> looks fine
[19:02] <nasanzero> also try -> dmesg | grep error
[19:03] <Langjan> Quite a long output, where can I post it?
[19:05] <nasanzero> lots of errors ?
[19:05] <Langjan> Yes quite a few, about 15 lines
[19:06] <Langjan> 10 errors
[19:07] <nasanzero> ok lets try running a new session -> ctrl+alt+2 to start a new session , enter your username and password then run startx
[19:07] <nasanzero> pressinh ctrl+alt+7 should bring you back to this screen o just try ctrl+alt+other number till you get back here
[19:11]  * nasanzero waits with crossed fingers
[19:12] <Langjan> Hi nasanzero Im back and synaptic has opened, is working many thanks
[19:13] <nasanzero> my pleasure Langjan
[19:13] <Langjan> Much appreciated
[19:13] <Langjan>  and thks a lot again Kilos
[19:15] <nasanzero> weechat > irssi so far
[19:21] <Langjan> Thks guys I'm going to love and leave you, sleep well
[19:25] <nasanzero> night night Langjan
[19:48] <magespawn> good night all
[19:49] <nsnzero> night magespawn


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