[07:15] <chilicuil> why windows.microsoft.com prettier than ubuntu.com ? =(, omgubuntu.co.uk is prettier too
[07:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[08:01] <bkerensa> chilicuil: OMGUbuntu is also responsive :)
[08:01] <bkerensa> Ubuntu.com needs some responsiveness in its future :)
[08:03] <chilicuil> bkerensa: yeah, the webpage can be improved a lot, even the ubunconla looks better to my eyes: www.ubuconla.org
[08:04] <bkerensa> chilicuil: I don't think Ubuntu.com's design looks bad... I just think it could use responsiveness so it displays nicely in all screen resolutions
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <philipballew> morning dholbach
[08:07] <chilicuil> morning
[08:07] <smartboyhw> AFTERNOON
[08:08] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[08:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:31] <philipballew> czajkowski, hello!
[08:32] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, are you actually from Hawaii?
[08:32] <smartboyhw> Aloha BTW
[08:32] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: nope but it's a timezone friendly greeting and it's very me
[08:32] <czajkowski> :)
[08:32] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, LOL
[08:32] <czajkowski> all my emails start off with it unless I'm pissed off :)
[08:33] <smartboyhw> lol
[08:36] <philipballew> Hawaii sounds like a really nice place though
[08:36] <philipballew> Its like america, but nice weather
[08:36]  * smartboyhw agrees
[08:37] <philipballew> smartboyhw, where you from again>
[08:37] <smartboyhw> philipballew, Hong Kong
[08:37] <philipballew> smartboyhw, oh wow. Never been to asia. I should go
[08:38] <smartboyhw> philipballew, :)
[08:38] <philipballew> is the food good? Thats my main consideration for going anywhere.
[08:39] <smartboyhw> philipballew, VEWRY
[08:39] <smartboyhw> s/VEWRY/VERY
[08:39] <philipballew> smartboyhw, The  next time I have a spare thousand dollars ill have to consider it.
[08:40]  * philipballew can say that because it will never happen
[08:43] <philipballew> czajkowski, I hope all is good?
[08:44] <czajkowski> my inbox suggests it's going to be a busy day/week so should be fun
[08:46] <smartboyhw> philipballew, LOL
[08:46] <philipballew> czajkowski, whatever makes you happy. :)
[08:46] <czajkowski> pretty much tbh :)
[09:05] <popey>  /52
[09:05] <popey> bah¬
[09:05] <popey> double bah!
[09:05]  * popey gets coffee and starts again
[09:07]  * dholbach moves to another place to work - see you in a bit
[09:08] <smartboyhw> popey, !?
[09:17] <smartboyhw> GUI!?
[09:17] <smartboyhw> https://www.kernel.org/
[09:17] <smartboyhw> .....
[09:31] <popey> smartboyhw: wut?
[09:32] <smartboyhw> popey, new interface:P
[09:32] <smartboyhw> popey, and for your bahs
[09:35] <popey> GUI madness
[09:35]  * popey needs to dig out his VT101
[09:36] <smartboyhw> popey, .....
[10:14] <czajkowski> one of the strangest blog posts I've seen in a long while. http://worldofgnome.org/waka-waka-this-time-for-canonical/
[10:17] <dholbach> somebody must have smoked too much crack
[10:17] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:17] <popey> Nice picture of Shakira tho
[10:17] <czajkowski> it's very odd
[10:30] <czajkowski> post UGJ, LP is very busy, many questions and bugs filed against lP for ubuntu
[10:31] <czajkowski> this morning has been spent re targeting them to the right place
[10:57] <vibhav> o/
[11:06] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, mind a quick pm?
[12:40] <dpm> hi cjohnston, it seems you located where it's triggered, but do you think we could do something about the "Oh, bugger" issue? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/1067442
[12:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1067442 in summit ""Oh bugger!" message after scheduling a session" [Undecided,New]
[12:40] <dpm> it's becoming increasingly a pain now that we're scheduling all of our sessions manually
[13:57] <cjohnston> dpm: are you able to reproduce the error? I've never seen it myself
[13:58] <dpm> cjohnston, I've updated the description: I can reproduce it every time with Firefox
[13:58] <dpm> and very occasionally with Chromium
[13:58] <cjohnston> dpm: could we do a hangout and a screen share so that I can watch what your doing please?
[13:58] <dpm> cjohnston, I'm about to enter a call in 5 minutes, perhaps after that?
[13:59] <cjohnston> dpm: maybe ~one hour? I have a call in 30
[14:03] <cjohnston> Daviey: do you know anything else about that bug? I wonder if its something that maybe we could make more descriptive
[14:04] <cjohnston> or if it is a generic error
[14:06] <Daviey> cjohnston: it's a generic error, i was just listing the common one i used to come across
[14:08] <cjohnston> ok
[14:19] <AlanBell> I think we would like an IRC team UDS session on the wednesday in the community track if that is going to be possible
[14:20] <AlanBell> we don't really have much of a specific agenda for it, but we have been meaning to have a meeting via hangouts for some time and there has been some support for doing a UDS session
[14:42] <cjohnston> dpm: I can go whenever you are ready
[14:59] <smartboyhw> jcastro, what lightning talks do we have now?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> And why do I see two in the wiki?
[15:00] <jcastro> there's one for the crash database
[15:00] <jcastro> but they're 5 minutes each so we have a ton of room for more
[15:03] <smartboyhw> jcastro, when is the time for them?
[15:03] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/2013-03-06/
[15:03] <jcastro> oh
[15:04] <jcastro> I need to schedule the block, give me a sec
[15:05] <jcastro> ok refresh
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Uh oh sleeping time
[15:08] <dpm> cjohnston, I might have to leave it for later on in the day, I've got caught up with other work. Sorry for pinging you and then going away :/
[15:09] <cjohnston> dpm: im around, just let me know
[15:09] <dpm> thanks cjohnston
[15:18] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons hey
[15:18] <jono> so where do you guys stand on session scheduling?
[15:18] <jono> how complete are you?
[15:18] <balloons> knee-deep
[15:18] <dholbach> jono, done
[15:19] <jono> balloons, ok, please get this completed ASAP
[15:19] <jcastro> jono: all done, just one plenary left.
[15:19] <jono> dholbach, thanks
[15:19] <jono> jcastro, thanks, how about lightning talks?
[15:19] <balloons> jono, yes, will be done asap today
[15:19] <jcastro> jono: there's one so far, but those usually fill up quickly
[15:19] <jono> thanks balloons
[15:20] <jono> jcastro, could you blog about it today?
[15:20] <jcastro> we never really did scheduling of lightning talks before
[15:20] <mhall119> dholbach: there are community track sessions in the foundations room, was that intentional?
[15:20] <jono> to help get people queued up
[15:20] <jcastro> I sent a mail out to -devel about it
[15:20] <dholbach> mhall119, erm - I don't know how they ended up there - let me check
[15:20] <jono> jcastro, right, but we never really did online UDS before ;-)
[15:20] <jcastro> I can get a blog out after my charm call with Mark
[15:20] <jono> jcastro, btw, Adobo was *awesome*
[15:20] <jcastro> aka. I am all yours in 1.5 hours
[15:20] <jono> thanks jcastro
[15:21] <jcastro> good, glad it turned out ok, I've never used it as a rub before, I was anxious
[15:21] <dpm> jono, all the appdev sessions we discussed are scheduled, but I've got some spare slots and I'm going to try to get some more community participation today
[15:21] <dholbach> mhall119, wow - I'll find out who scheduled them -toolchain in "community" sounds ... interesting, fresh and new - but maybe a bit wrong as well
[15:21] <jono> thanks dpm
[15:22] <mhall119> dholbach: it sould have been slangasek doing them before we added the foundations track
[15:22] <mhall119> s/sould/could/
[15:22] <dholbach> mhall119, yeah, but the title of the BP sounds wrong already :)
[15:24] <dholbach> mhall119, community-1303-plusone-maintenance looks like a mix of community and foundations somehow
[15:25] <dholbach> but toolchain looks wrong
[15:26] <smartboyhw> To jono one suggestion: If you guys are going to implement rolling releases, it would be a good idea to implement a physical UDS per year...
[15:27] <mhall119> smartboyhw: why per year, when LTSs will still be every 2 years?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> mhall119, or maybe 2 years.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> 1 year is better I think
[15:27] <mhall119> dholbach: are you saying we need engineers or something for toolchain work?
[15:28] <mhall119> smartboyhw: I'd rather we figure out how to make online UDS as productive as physical ones, and do them much more frequently
[15:28] <dholbach> mhall119, no, I think it was a misunderstanding
[15:28] <smartboyhw> mhall119, how about 2 years really?
[15:31] <mhall119> smartboyhw: what would be the benefit of a physical UDS every 2 years that we can't get from virtual UDS every 3 months/
[15:31] <mhall119> ?
[15:32] <smartboyhw> mhall119, well you see. After a release an UDS isn't just simply well planning. It is also celebration....
[15:33] <jono> smartboyhw, I see the UDSs and rolling release as orthogonal entities
[15:33] <smartboyhw> uh huh
[15:33] <jono> but I do see LTSs as planning milestones
[15:33] <mhall119> it's too small to be a celebration, only a fraction of the community got to be there
[15:33] <jono> so I don't see why a yearly UDS is needed
[15:34] <jono> but I do see how we need to plan for LTSs
[15:34] <jono> I am just not sure if a physical event is required
[15:34] <jono> who knows, lets see how the online events go
[15:34] <smartboyhw> jono, mhall119 Ok........
[15:34]  * smartboyhw really doesn't like having entirely NO physical UDSes....
[15:34] <jono> smartboyhw, why?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> jono, difficult to explain, sort of an inter-personal relationship thing
[15:35] <mhall119> smartboyhw: anybody who got to go will certainly miss it, but the question is whether or not they were more useful and beneficial than more frequent online ones
[15:35] <jono> smartboyhw, bear in mind that those folks who can't attend a physical UDS don't get that opportunity for an inter-personal relationship
[15:35] <jono> smartboyhw, I am not denying the benefits of face-to-face time
[15:36] <smartboyhw> jono, mhall119 another thing is that you shouldn't leave such a short gap (2 days) between the new UDS annoucement and the rolling release thing
[15:36] <smartboyhw> It is difficult for the community to adopt.....
[15:36] <jono> but the question is whether face-to-face time for the few is more desirable than accessiblilty and transparancy for the many
[15:36] <jono> smartboyhw, the rolling release thing is a proposal
[15:36] <jono> thats all
[15:36] <jono> nothing is cast in stone
[15:36] <jono> so again, I see those as orthogonal
[15:36] <mhall119> smartboyhw: the announcements are all made now, the short timeframe was a once-off thing
[15:36] <jono> and also, we wanted to announce the proposal *before* UDS so people can discuss it there
[15:36] <jono> mhall119, we don't have time to wait around
[15:37] <jono> we need to make Ubuntu successful now while we have the convergent opportunity
[15:37] <jono> if we sit around waiting MS or Apple might beat us to it
[15:38] <smartboyhw> jono, and you guys should at least push out 13.04, try if deleting 13.10 works and then fully implement it for 14.04
[15:38] <smartboyhw> 1 MONTH doesn't hurt....
[15:39] <jono> smartboyhw, you should make your feedback known on ubuntu-devel
[15:39] <smartboyhw> jono, I will make my point tmr on a blog post...
[15:39] <smartboyhw> To Planet Ubuntu
[15:39] <jono> smartboyhw, I think our engineers would have their time better spent on building a rolling release rather than maintaining a release that few people tend to use
[15:39] <jono> smartboyhw, I saw it
[15:39] <jono> and I responded to it
[15:39] <jono> smartboyhw, but I am saying that you should participate in the discussion on ubuntu-devel
[15:40] <jono> that is where the community is discussing how we move forward
[15:40] <smartboyhw> jono, 1. that's a new one and 2. I'll post the blog post to ubuntu-devel
[15:41] <smartboyhw> s/that's/that is going to be/
[15:41] <jono> smartboyhw, cool
[15:41] <jono> :-)
[15:41] <jono> smartboyhw, I want to make sure you can get your feedback to the right people
[15:41] <jono> I don't make any decisions around the release process, so this is why I recommend ubuntu-devel
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Anyway, good night to the Canonical Community Team et. al.
[15:42] <jono> and joining the rolling release proposal sessions
[15:49] <jcastro> http://everytimezone.com/
[15:49] <jcastro> ^^^ if anyone needs a time zone conversion thing for UDS
[15:49] <jcastro> it's basically ninja
[15:50] <mhall119> we should probably look again at making managed user profiles with timezone conversion again, now that we're going virtual
[15:52] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, thanks a lot!
[16:11] <daker> mhall119: my UGJ http://i.imgur.com/we8oesT.png
[16:12] <mhall119> daker: oh? what is this?
[16:13] <daker> mhall119: recurrent events for LTP
[16:13] <mhall119> oh, nice!  How are you going to store that in the database?
[16:15] <daker> mhall119: each event has a set of occurrences and i use rrule from dateutil package
[16:23] <jono> jcastro, can you schedule Robbie for the first plenary tomorrow
[16:23] <jono> he will do a Cloud Keynote
[16:23] <jcastro> sure
[16:23] <jcastro> that books us up
[16:23] <AlanBell> for an IRC team session should I propose a blueprint?
[16:24] <jono> thanks jcastro
[16:24] <jono> AlanBell, absolutely :-)
[16:24] <jono> AlanBell, propose it and I will get it scheduled for you today
[16:24] <jono> well, scheduled today for UDS this week
[16:24] <jono> lol
[16:25] <dholbach> jcastro, for the plenaries - will there be someone to relay questions from #ubuntu-on-air or something?
[16:26] <jcastro> I was assuming that would be me
[16:27] <jono> yeah, jcastro can do tht
[16:28] <jcastro> it beats running around!
[16:28] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-irc-team
[16:29] <dholbach> thanks jcastro
[16:34] <dholbach> AlanBell: accepted the irc team session - any preferred slot?
[16:37] <AlanBell> wednesday, any time dholbach if possible
[16:41] <jono> dholbach, thanks for taking care of this
[16:41] <dholbach> jono, no worries
[16:48] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, do we have a session scheduled at UDS for Ubuntu On Air?
[16:50] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: ping
[16:52] <dholbach> AlanBell, wednesday 14 utc?
[17:06] <jcastro> <-- lunch, bbi ~30
[17:16] <AlanBell> cool, thanks dholbach
[17:27] <SergioMeneses> hi all!
[17:28] <knome> jono, how is canonical going to evaluate how the new format of uds worked?
[17:29] <knome> jono, if it's a survey and you are doing it, i'm reminding you that there are still people in the community who are willing to help on crafting the survey to be able to get the most out of it
[17:39] <jono> knome, yeah, I think we will work on a survey, but also just see how well the sessions run and how many issues people run into
[17:39] <knome> are you talking about technical issues?
[17:40] <knome> since the point is to be accessible, it would be good to know how people think the change in the format advances it
[17:41] <knome> and it would be very useful to see how the results differ inside different groups like "canonical employees", "subcontractors" and "community members"
[17:42] <mhall119> knome: we always run a survey after UDS that asks for evaluations of the process and tools
[17:44] <knome> mhall119, that's good to hear
[17:45] <knome> mhall119, it would be great to see some correlated data, not just a data dump of every question separately
[17:47] <knome> mhall119, in that sense, i think one of the most interesting aspect would be how different groups in the community/canonical generally experiences the change, as i mentioned before
[17:53] <mhall119> knome: that gets a little blurry
[17:54] <knome> how does it get blurry? you will still get the results from different questions separately
[17:54] <knome> you only need to ask to which group(s) somebody belongs and correlate that question with other questions
[17:56] <mhall119> knome: I mean it's blurry whether a person is there as canonical or as community
[17:57] <knome> mhall119, if they have multiple hats on, they should be able to pick multiple groups
[17:58] <mhall119> and there are people like me, who's job is to be community
[17:58] <knome> i can't see how that makes it blurry
[17:58] <mhall119> then there are canonical folks who attend UDS for reasons outside of their job
[18:00] <knome> then it should be specified that they should answer based on that - if they are attending uds as community members, they should pick that option.
[18:04] <knome> another possibly interesting aspect is how people from different continents experience the new format; how easy it is to adjust their schedules accordingly, does the change in the format make it easier or harder to attend, can they minimize the distractions at the given day of time to be able to focus on the sessions enough (that's interesting even without the continent-correlation), ...
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: pong
[18:08] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: I have a bug that you should be able to do pretty easily
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: we don't have a session for ubuntu on air up to now, but I'd still need to confirm if I'll be assisting, school gives me a response tomorrow morning
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: go for it
[18:09] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, no worries, I will schedule something
[18:09] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: bug #1144757
[18:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1144757 in Summit "Identify removed sessions on the meeting page" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1144757
[18:10] <JoseeAntonioR> so, what's to be done in there?
[18:15] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: how can I fetch the status of a meeting to check if it's removed?
[18:15] <JoseeAntonioR> if I get that, I can do an if
[18:15] <cjohnston> meeting.aoorived
[18:15] <cjohnston> approved
[18:16] <JoseeAntonioR> so, if meeting.approved show page, else show message
[18:17] <cjohnston> no
[18:18] <dholbach> all right - I'll see you tomorrow! :)
[18:18] <cjohnston> on a meeting page you have a meeting title, right?
[18:18] <cjohnston> below the navigation links
[18:19] <elfy> dholbach: before you run off - you want UDS on forum?
[18:19] <dholbach> elfy, ah yes, that might be good
[18:20] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-February/001018.html should have the relevant info
[18:20] <elfy> okey doke
[18:21] <dholbach> thanksssssssssssss
[18:22] <elfy> doing it - will be done when you wake up :p
[18:22] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: look at the bug again
[18:22] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: sure, one sec
[18:25] <elfy> dholbach: done now even
[18:26] <dholbach> thanks a bunch elfy!
[18:27] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: mind giving me a couple minutes? need to package some things urgently
[18:27] <cjohnston> k
[18:28] <AlanBell> "Application authors relying on Qt/QML, GTK3, XUL etc. should be prevented from any sort of porting effort and we will work on providing Mir integration for the most prominent toolkit choices."
[18:28] <AlanBell> prevented??
[18:28] <AlanBell> I think someone has used the wrong word there, but I can't quite see what was intended
[18:29] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[18:29]  * popey passes that on
[18:29] <AlanBell> ta
[18:31] <Daviey> Yeah, reusing the term MIR is not helpful
[18:33] <jcastro> Daviey: I look forward to the MIR for Mir.
[18:33] <mhall119> AlanBell: I think it means we shouldn't make app-authors port their code, we should be working to make their toolkit portable instead
[18:33] <popey> fixed AlanBell
[18:34] <AlanBell> ah, that makes more sense
[18:35] <AlanBell> I was thinking "protected from" might have been what they were trying to say
[18:35] <Daviey> jcastro: hah.. Mind you, maybe ArchiveReorg will be done by then
[18:35] <Daviey> :)
[18:37] <jcastro> Daviey: LETS NOT GET CRAZY.
[18:39]  * AlanBell looks forward to activating the Mir cube with wobbly windows
[18:39]  * popey waves goodbye to compiz
[18:40] <AlanBell> as long as the CPU isn't pushing pixels I am cool with it
[18:41] <AlanBell> and text tracking zoom is I am sure designed into this
[18:42] <AlanBell> drop shadows done by dropping a shadow \o/
[18:44] <jcastro> has unity-lens-photo been a crashy pos for anyone the past few days?
[18:44] <jcastro> or just me?
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: is summit.name a defined value?
[19:09] <cjohnston> it might not be summit.name, i dont know what it is, look in the summitmodel.py
[19:15] <jcastro> best comment ever
[19:15] <jcastro> I agree. This is why I dislike Ubuntu. It constantly tries to appeal to Mac and Windows users.
[19:16]  * pleia2 wonders who it's supposed to be appealing to
[19:17] <cjohnston> aliens!
[19:17] <pleia2> dinosaurs!
[19:17] <cjohnston> i was about to say that
[19:19] <jcastro> pluit could be alien dinosaurs
[19:22] <jcastro> AlanBell: I lost my buffer from the weekend
[19:22] <jcastro> what was the TLDR on that test conversion you did?
[19:32] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: I'm going to test the changes I've done now
[19:33] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm setting up the env
[19:33] <cprofitt> Does anyone know if will quickly be moving forward or will something be replacing it?
[19:34] <cjohnston> slowly
[19:35] <cprofitt> it uses Glade and GTK though currently; correct?
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: there's no actions bonx
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> box*
[19:41] <cjohnston> ?
[19:49] <cprofitt> cjohnston: was that ? for me?
[19:50] <cjohnston> cprofitt: no
[19:50] <cprofitt> k
[19:50] <cjohnston> the slowly wsa thought... ;-)
[19:50] <cprofitt> I thought so :)
[20:07] <JanC> AlanBell: I'd suggest "relieved from" instead of "prevented from" or "protected from"  (although I think it would be even better to completely rephrase that sentence...)
[20:08] <AlanBell> it has been
[20:09] <JanC> I didn't read the whole article yet  ☺
[20:10] <AlanBell> cprofitt: quickly itself is rather agnostic, but it has templates to make pygtk applications at the moment, I guess it needs new templates
[20:10] <AlanBell> might need a bit more if we invent a new packaging spec next
[20:23] <JanC> Mir might not be the best name for a new open source project BTW: it's already used by e.g. the MirOS BSD project (and several subprojects of it)
[20:40] <cprofitt> thanks AlanBell
[21:03] <jcastro> jono: dude forget that lambo car, check this out: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/aston-martin-reveals-3-000-baby-stroller-article-1.1275703
[21:04] <jono> jcastro, that is nuts
[21:04] <AlanBell> soon to be covered in really posh vomit
[21:04] <jcastro> jill sent me the link
[21:04] <czajkowski> jono: can we schedule a CC session at UDS please for as late as possible on the wednesday please
[21:04] <jcastro> I wonder if she's trying to say something
[21:04] <jono> czajkowski, sure, one sec
[21:05] <jono> czajkowski, 6.15pm UTC work?
[21:06] <czajkowski> anything later
[21:06] <czajkowski> trying to get the USA folks on the CC on there as well
[21:12] <jono> czajkowski, that is the latest slot
[21:12] <jono> we only have earlier
[21:12] <czajkowski> ok will take that so
[21:12] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:12] <jono> czajkowski, can you file a BP for it?
[21:12] <czajkowski> pleia2: cprofitt ^^
[21:13] <czajkowski> I thought we dont need BPs to have sessions any more?
[21:13] <jono> and name it community-1303-community-council
[21:13] <jono> czajkowski, how will you track the work items?
[21:13] <czajkowski> we usually just talk about feedback from the community
[21:13] <czajkowski> this is what we've done for the last two UDS
[21:13] <czajkowski> granted one session was on the revision of the CoC we just used the etherpad
[21:14] <jono> czajkowski, right, but I assume there are work items from that review?
[21:14] <czajkowski> I'll create it
[21:14] <czajkowski> one tick
[21:14] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[21:14] <jono> and then I will schedule it for you
[21:14] <czajkowski> great thanks
[21:15] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[21:20] <cprofitt> czajkowski: I am scheduled to be in the Ubuntu Friendly session at the same time on Wednesday
[21:20] <czajkowski> I'm due to be at a training session :/
[21:21] <czajkowski> will take notes for you cprofitt
[21:21] <cprofitt> thanks czajkowski
[21:22] <czajkowski> jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-community-council
[21:25] <cprofitt> thanks for doing that czajkowski
[21:25] <czajkowski> np
[21:32] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[22:00] <jono> balloons, I had to move your session Wed at the end
[22:00] <jono> I promised czajkowski that slot :-)
[22:00] <balloons> jono :-) hmm
[22:02] <balloons> can you swap me with one of the 1400 slots on weds?
[22:03] <jono> balloons, check wed now
[22:03] <jono> does that work?
[22:05] <balloons> jono, yes ty sir
[22:07] <jono> balloons, np
[23:06] <jcastro> jono: with the google support thing we can do more than 10 people in a hangout right?
[23:14] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, I think 9, but Im not sure


[05:16] <Severity1> Saj0577: you are right
[05:16] <Severity1> weeeeh!
[05:16] <Saj0577> ;)
[15:50] <dinda> http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=21
[15:50] <dinda> for anyone wanting to take the paid version of the online training course for System Administrators
[15:53] <pleia2> cool, thanks for the link dinda :)
[16:01] <pleia2> so... we're looking at another 3-4 weeks at least before the moodle site is ready theme-wise? is there other stuff that needs to be done to get that ready?
[16:01] <pleia2> and we should all look and comment on bodhi's team structure this weekend
[16:01]  * pleia2 supposes she should mail the list
[16:04] <doctormo> pleia2: I think we should
[16:04] <dinda> pleia2: mailing list is good
[16:05] <doctormo> pleia2: the problem is a lack of enertia is slowing potential participation even further.
[16:05] <dinda> pleia2: I've tried to direct even more people who want to do screencasts over here
[16:05] <doctormo> pleia2: I'm worried
[16:05] <pleia2> doctormo: agreed, it's actually getting a bit frustrating for me :\
[16:05] <pleia2> dinda: oh great, thanks
[16:06] <dinda> I think once there is some content up, it will help get folks restarted
[16:06] <pleia2> I'll draft an email after work outlining what we need right now, these constant stalls with licensing and now with team structure need to stop happening ;)
[16:06] <doctormo> I've got my responsibilities now to make this sys-admin course, so it will be made. question of uploading it the moodle
[16:06]  * pleia2 nods
[16:06] <doctormo> 2 seconds are done (well draft done and taught once) and at least 8 sectons to go (1 per week)
[16:07] <dinda> yes, I've been having more than my share of moodle issues on my own servers
[16:07] <doctormo> sections*
[16:07] <pleia2> who here is our moodle expert, anyway?
[16:08] <doctormo> pleia2: do we have one?
[16:08] <pleia2> I don't know :)
[16:12] <dinda> I thought bodhi was an expert on the sys admin side anyways
[16:15] <pleia2> yeah, he's the expert on getting it installed and deployed
[16:15] <pleia2> not so much with moodle specifics
[16:32] <dinda> I thought moodle was pretty straight forward but then I've used a ton of similar systems, and I've been told it's not so obvious to folks new to the LMS world that it's not
[16:39] <dinda> Can I get you folks opinion on the state of screencasts.ubuntu.com?
[16:40]  * dinda goes to see if Popey is available for a quick chat
[17:01] <dinda> okay, I'm excited again - there is some light at the end of the tunnel for me finally having some time to play on community things again!
[17:08] <doctormo> dinda: you didn't have time before? Everything is alright?
[17:09] <dinda> doctormo: i've been SWAMPED with daily work and all my free time with home repair after last year's hurricane hit
[17:09] <doctormo> Ah
[17:09] <dinda> but now both are easing up
[17:09] <doctormo> Weclome back dinda!
[17:09] <dinda> so I may have evenings and weekends again - I'm very excited as you can tell
[17:10] <dinda> I may even go fishing this weekend - woohoo!
[17:12]  * dinda looks longing out the window at the gulf of mexico
[17:16] <doctormo> dinda: the gulf giveth, the gulf taketh away
[17:16] <dinda> doctormo: yeah - my old water heater is out there somewhere ;)


[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190332 in totem (main) "Totem fullscreen malfunction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190332
[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190333 in ubuntu "printer installation impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190333
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190334 in xulrunner-1.9 (main) "about:config doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190334
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190335 in ubuntu "please package swami and libinstpatch from svn source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190335
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190336 in ubuntu "please package swami and libinstpatch from svn source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190336
[00:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190337 in ubuntu "restricted-manager does not enable nvidia-glx-new" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190337
[00:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190340 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "atl2.ko too old for Attansic L2 100 Mbit Ethernet (rev a0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190340
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190343 in dhcp3 (main) "dhclient-script will set hostname to blank" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190343
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190342 in atl2 (universe) "atl2-source to old for 2.6.24" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190342
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190346 in ubuntu "intel wireless doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190346
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190348 in yelp (main) "Hardy Alpha Movie Player video doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190348
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190349 in yelp (main) "Disk changes from SCSI to SATA i.e. /dev/sda to /dev/hda in new kernel (dup-of: 190350)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190349
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190350 in ubuntu "Disk changes from sda to hda in new the kernel <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190350
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190351 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "requestsync crashed with EOFError, when ending input with ctrl-d" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190351
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190354 in libfile-spec-perl (universe) "Please sync libfile-spec-perl 3.2700-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190354
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190355 in irssi (main) "man irssi reinventing the english language" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190355
[02:08]  * Pici takes a look at that one
[02:15] <LjL> Pici: take bets it was written by an italian/spaniard?
[02:15] <LjL> nevermind i lost
[02:15] <Pici> LjL: actually they were talking about it in #uf
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190356 in ubuntu "Aquila L1 tablet malfunctioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190356
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190359 in dhcp3 (main) "dhclient continually seeks ip address on unconnected interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190359
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190361 in testresources (universe) "Please sync testresources 0.1-1.2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190361
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190366 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus does not identify partitions, except by size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190366
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190367 in claws-mail (universe) "Please merge claws-mail 3.3.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190367
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190368 in gconf-editor (main) "package gconf-editor 2.20.0-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190368
[04:35] <crimsun> geser: np :)
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190371 in kdelibs (main) "KDE3 libthai dynamic loading unneccessarily requires libtool archive file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190371
[05:37] <ubotu> New bug: #190374 in ubuntu "Package Update Manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190374
[05:38] <ubotu> New bug: #190375 in kdebase-workspace (universe) "Not possible to set default default display manager in Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190375
[05:38] <ubotu> New bug: #190376 in gammu (universe) "Please sync gammu 1.18.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190376
[06:33] <ubotu> New bug: #190382 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "Unable to change folder views for external storage in KDE4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190382
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190383 in rhythmbox (main) "last.fm plugin no longer scrobbles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190383
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190384 in ubuntu "Desktop screen is a bit shaking vertically with some horizontal lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190384
[07:07] <Iulian> G'morning
[07:13] <ubotu> New bug: #190387 in eris (universe) "Please sync eris 1.3.13-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190387
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190388 in ttf-tamil-fonts "Strange encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190388
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190389 in ttf-indic-fonts (main) "Strange encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190389
[07:59] <ubotu> New bug: #190390 in compiz (main) "Theme mix into the title bar at ubuntu hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190390
[08:03] <ubotu> New bug: #190393 in alsa-utils (main) "Fix for Speaker swtich not on by default with Thinkpad T61/X61" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190393
[08:04] <ubotu> New bug: #190392 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 183685)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190392
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190396 in ubuntu "hardy shut down randomly with a biiiiip sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190396
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190397 in ubuntu "no support for sound control buttons in HP laptop under kde 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190397
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190398 in language-pack-kde-lt (main) "japanese characters instead of lithuanian - kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190398
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190399 in evince (main) "evince accesses hard disk too often" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190399
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190400 in slocate (main) "slocate doesnt include updatedb.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190400
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190403 in update-manager (main) "'Reading state information' string not translated to polish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190403
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190404 in update-manager (main) "'Reading state information' string not translated to polish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190404
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190405 in ubuntu "please package bluez-gnome 0.17 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190405
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #189191 in gnome-desktop "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in __mktime_internal()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189191
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190408 in firefox (main) "Message: "IPS Java Applet Loading... " is displaying forever, it is not continuing to start correctly the displaying of the web page." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190408
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #187535 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with signal 5 in g_array_free()" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187535
[10:02] <ubotu> New bug: #190410 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[hardy] avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.24-7 is referenced, but package repositories include only avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.17-6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190410
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183307 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183307
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190411 in nautilus (main) "nautilus runs at 99% cpu, and wallpaper dissapears" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190411
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #184268 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184268
[10:22] <ubotu> New bug: #178527 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178527
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190412 in totem (main) "no sound on hp 6516" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190412
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190413 in nautilus (main) "nautilus only able to open directories in text-based location bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190413
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190414 in linux (main) "[hardy] Abnormal time to access ata devices at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190414
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190415 in ubuntu "Please sync lightyears 1.3a-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190415
[10:41] <Iulian> Hello seb128
[10:41] <Iulian> seb128: Do you have few seconds to look at bug 190384 and say if it's a nautilus bug?
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190384 in ubuntu "Desktop screen is a bit shaking vertically with some horizontal lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190384
[10:42] <seb128> hey Iulian
[10:42] <Iulian> I'm pretty confused about that one.
[10:44] <Iulian> Maybe it's something about compiz.
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190416 in liferea (main) "[gutsy] liferea doesn't read feed://, doesn't work with firefox3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190416
[10:49] <seb128> Iulian: that looks like a support request rather than a bug, convert it to a question, there is a stock reply you can use as comment on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[10:49] <Iulian> seb128: Ok, thanks a lot!
[10:50] <seb128> you are welcome
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190421 in banshee "banshee misses a dependency for libtaglib2.0-cil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190421
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190422 in linux (main) "T61 suspend to ram immediately resumes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190422
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190423 in rhythmbox (main) "Can´t play m4a" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190423
[11:27] <ubotu> New bug: #190419 in ltsp (main) "should add -f option to "rm" in kernel update script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190419
[11:39] <ubotu> New bug: #190425 in alsa-utils (main) "Sound card not detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190425
[11:39] <ubotu> New bug: #190426 in picard (universe) "Icons are not taken from theme under KDE4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190426
[11:39] <ubotu> New bug: #190427 in gnome-screensaver (main) "restart gnome desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190427
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190428 in emerald (universe) "emerald crashed on "alt-tab" windows switching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190428
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190429 in linux (main) "sound regression on hardy 4 with 2.6.24-7.12  " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190429
[11:57] <rbs-tito> I'm unable to get the source for update-manager, I get a 404
[11:58] <rbs-tito> (hardy)
[11:58] <ubotu> New bug: #145902 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (universe) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145902
[11:59] <rbs-tito> Reload fixed it
[12:03] <Iulian> Heh
[12:17] <ubotu> New bug: #190431 in libotr (main) "Please sync libotr 3.1.0-2 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190431
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190435 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] rsplib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190435
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190436 in ubuntu "Cannot change desktop icons in hardy alpha 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190436
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190442 in ttf-wqy-zenhei (universe) "Please sync ttf-wqy-zenhei 0.4.23-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190442
[13:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131676 in libxklavier (main) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in xkl_engine_ensure_vtable_inited() on importing a custom Xmodmap" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131676
[13:08] <ubotu> New bug: #190444 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "package sun-java6-bin 6-04-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190444
[13:08] <ubotu> New bug: #190445 in ubuntu "nautilus: symbol lookup error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190445
[13:12] <bddebian> Boo
[13:13] <ubotu> New bug: #190446 in gtk-vnc (main) "Please sponsor gtk-vnc (main) 0.3.3 into Hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190446
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190448 in linda (main) "linda complains about Standards-Version 3.7.3" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190448
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190450 in ov511 (universe) "Can't compile ov511-source on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190450
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #145219 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145219
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #146841 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in _gdk_events_queue()" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146841
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190452 in ubuntu "Make sure people who tries out Ubuntu, will install and will always use it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190452
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190453 in util-linux (main) "fdisk sees too many partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190453
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190454 in virtualbox-ose (universe) "No USB Support out of the box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190454
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190456 in hal-info (main) "[hardy] P5LD2-VM need quirk for suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190456
[14:12] <fishor> i have one quirk-patch for hal-info. Is it enouth to post it to lounchpad or should i report it to hal-bugzilla too?
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #190458 in firefox (main) "Firefox display switched to inverse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190458
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190460 in gimp (main) "Dialogs not displayed in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190460
[14:29] <rbs-tito> Does anyone know python?
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190461 in clutch (universe) "Lighttpd support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190461
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190462 in basket (universe) "[hardy] Basket Can't setup DCOP communication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190462
[14:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190339 in jockey (main) "jockey-gtk crashed on initial load of live CD, no user actions (dup-of: 187148)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190339
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190379 in jockey (main) "jockey-gtk crashed with AssertionError in __init__() (dup-of: 187148)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190379
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190465 in plptools (universe) "Please sync plptools 0.18-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190465
[15:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190466 in bash (main) "set -o option off clobbers shell arguments in bash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190466
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190472 in ubuntu "nfs + fs-cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190472
[15:40] <dejv_ntb> hi
[15:41] <dejv_ntb> have somebody looked at bug #152051?
[15:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152051 in tracker "tracker and cronjobs (updatedb, update-notifer,...) fight for the hard disk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152051
[15:42] <dejv_ntb> it could be pretty easily partially resolved by adding "ionice -c3 " to the beginning of cron I/O-demanding commands
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190474 in ubuntu "sd card reader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190474
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190475 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "iwl3945 produces a lot of error messages in syslog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190475
[15:47] <ubotu> New bug: #190473 in geda-xgsch2pcb (universe) "[FTBFS] geda-xgsch2pcb 0.1.2-1 build fails at checking for XML:Parser" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190473
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190353 in torcs (universe) "torcs-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190353
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190362 in amule (universe) "amule crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190362
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190385 in miro (universe) "miro crashed after playing a video (SIGSEGV in miro_xine_list_front())" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190385
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190409 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190409
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190326 in miro (universe) "miro.real crashed with IOError in okButton()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190326
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190479 in missingh (universe) "please sync missingh (<IP_ADDRESS>) from unstable/main to universe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190479
[16:13] <ubotu> New bug: #190480 in evince (main) "evince problem with image copy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190480
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190484 in sdl-image1.2 (main) "please sync sdl-image1.2 (1.2.6-3) from unstable/main to main, ubuntu override ok" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190484
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190485 in ftphs (universe) "please sync ftphs (<IP_ADDRESS>) from unstable/main to universe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190485
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190486 in ubuntu "exiv2 doesn't find exif data in attacched file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190486
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190487 in exiv2 (main) "exiv2 doesn't find exif data in attacched file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190487
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190489 in nautilus (main) "Couldn't display Examples/fables_01_01_aesop.spx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190489
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #184219 in gnome-power-manager (main) "brightness applet crashes on login" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184219
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190490 in mldonkey (universe) "Hardy update to glibc 2.7 and mldonkey is compiled with 2.6 version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190490
[16:38] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Should I use a bug I fix in a list of my best bugs for application to the QA team?
[16:38] <rbs-tito> *fixed
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190492 in linux (main) "Kernel hangs on boot (SATA, AMD64)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190492
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190494 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity attempts resize on mounted partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190494
[16:50] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: yeah, that would be great
[16:50]  * rbs-tito hates distro fanboys
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #190495 in bzr (main) "Sync  bzr from debian unstable (main) 1.1~rc1-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190495
[16:51] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Cool
[16:51] <rbs-tito> Thanks
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190496 in glipper (universe) "Panel can't load glipper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190496
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190497 in nautilus (main) "nautilus left pane problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190497
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190498 in ubuntu "In hardy,cpu cycle problem after shutting and opening laptop lid " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190498
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190499 in ubuntu "No networking without running X-Server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190499
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190500 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash() (dup-of: 185441)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190500
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190502 in winpdb (universe) "Please sync winpdb 1.3.4-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190502
[17:29] <ubotu> New bug: #190504 in xen-3.2 (main) "xen-utils-* conflicts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190504
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190503 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] obex-data-server" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190503
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190506 in xrandr "[Hardy] GNOME and GDM are starting up with wrong display resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190506
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190507 in kdirstat (universe) "Please sync kdirstat 2.4.4-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190507
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190508 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org Writer should remember user's last saved position in each document under KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190508
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190510 in ubuntu "ktorrent is sleeping" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190510
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190511 in gnome-panel (main) "windows on 2,3,4,... desktops don't work after setting one desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190511
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190516 in apparmor (main) "MUGEN doesn't start if Apparmor is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190516
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190514 in gnome-vfs2 "gnome-vfs-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in _dl_fixup()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190514
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190515 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "[hardy alpha4]rt2500 works, but slowly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190515
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190517 in qtparted (main) "qtparted reports success but fails when creating partition, i/o error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190517
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190519 in file-roller (main) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190519
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190520 in p7zip-rar (multiverse) "Please sync p7zip-rar 4.57~ds.1-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (non-free)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190520
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190521 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "[hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190521
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190523 in jockey (main) "jockey-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190523
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190491 in ubiquity "can't translate Details text on qt UI" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190491
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190525 in openoffice.org (main) "OO writer resize OLE calc objects all the time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190525
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190528 in wlassistant (universe) "wlassistant reports "Could not launch menu item" when starting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190528
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190530 in yelp (main) "New to Linux Ubuntu. I cannot Play CD no sound whatsoever; nor can I load photos. Message says DRIVER ERROR." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190530
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190531 in amsn (universe) "amsn crashes X when you try to change display picture with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190531
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190534 in ubuntu "Screens and Graphics doesn't work in VirtualBox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190534
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190536 in ubuntu "Clicking with mouse not working right in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190536
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190537 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[Gutsy] Display sleep sets wrong DPMS off time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190537
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190538 in paketto (universe) "Scanrand 1.10 issues 'destination required' error in Ubuntu Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190538
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190539 in ekiga (main) "impossible de téléphoner, difficulter à installer le driver de web cam, une fois sur deux il s'installe et l'image devient sombre" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190539
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190542 in pylint (universe) "Problem with Pylint's handling on __all__" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190542
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190543 in lirc (main) "Pinnacle Remote Kit not supported by lirc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190543
[20:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190544 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in modifyUserInterface() (dup-of: 189490)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190544
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190546 in firefox (main) "firefox shows as ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190546
[20:32] <secretlondon> how do we send apport bugs upstream? presumably we make the original bug visible - do we send all the attachments upstream?
[20:34] <Kirrus> secretlondon, I think you send the attachments that you think will help them upstream
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190547 in teatime (universe) "teatime doesn't play sounds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190547
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190549 in tracker (main) "Tracker results don't open when launched from Deskbar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190549
[20:36] <secretlondon> thanks
[20:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179122 in freeciv (universe) "civclient-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_style_attach()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179122
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190551 in uswsusp (universe) "suspend and hibernate suddenly stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190551
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190552 in gparted (main) "Please sync gparted 0.3.5-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190552
[21:08] <ubotu> New bug: #190553 in network-manager (main) "NM broken after suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190553
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190554 in gnome-control-center (main) "Add mousetweaks dependency for its main inclusion request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190554
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190555 in freeciv (universe) "sdl freeciv client doesn't make a menu item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190555
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190556 in bittorrent (main) "btlaunchmanycurses show a lot of errors " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190556
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190559 in kdebase-workspace "Alt + Shift + Tab does not cycle windows in reverse order" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190559
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #184264 in kdebase-workspace (universe) "plasma crashed with SIGFPE" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184264
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #187899 in kdebase-workspace (universe) "[KDE4] plasma crashed with SIGSEGV in QGraphicsItem::setPos()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187899
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190363 in kdebase-workspace (universe) "krunner crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190363
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190560 in thunderbird (main) "ha desaparecido la ventana con las carpetas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190560
[22:38] <ubotu> New bug: #190564 in gosmore (universe) "Please sync gosmore <IP_ADDRESS>70901-2.1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190564
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190566 in network-manager-vpnc (universe) "error dialogs are hidden behing other windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190566
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190567 in kdebase (main) "apt:/ in konqueror shows packages.debian.org not Ubuntu packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190567
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190518 in ubuntu "It is impossible to install or remove any software. Please use the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get install -f" in a terminal to fix this issue at first" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190518
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190569 in imagemagick (main) "convert crashed with signal 24 - again when I do nothing (dup-of: 185073)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190569
[23:59] <rbs-tito_> If I fix a bug in Ubuntu, should I forward it to Debian? I'm not sure where the upstream for this package is
[23:59] <rbs-tito_> update-manager


[07:25] <zyga> hi, is there a way to rebase a tree on top of nothing, just to change all the internal file IDs
[07:26]  * gour is, in principle, against rebase, but well...
[07:29] <zyga> gour, I'm trying to work around a bug in bzr
[07:29] <zyga> gour, that prevents me to bzr join two trees that have some common ancestry
[07:29] <gour> zyga: ahh, ok...good luck
[07:52] <gour> we're considering to keep our /etc under bzr, possibly with etckeeper...anyone using it (possibly on archlinux)?
[07:56] <bob2> definitely need etckeeper
[07:56] <bob2> works quite well with git for me
[08:00] <gour> the point is that, afaik, there is no support for archlinux's pacman, so wonder if it is worth without it?
[08:01] <bob2> yes
[08:01] <bob2> and integrating it should be trivial assuming pacman isn't totally crap and has no hook support at all
[08:03] <gour> heh
[08:04] <gour> i'd use it with bzr (treeless repo and lightweight checkout)
[08:07] <bob2> erk
[08:23] <mgz> morning
[11:29] <mgz> is there a shorter equivalent of -c rev in git than SHA^..SHA?
[11:45] <LeoNerd> I'm not aware of one. It's one of my standard ways to wind up the git fans :)
[11:45] <LeoNerd> Especially  bzr di -c-1
[12:30]  * gour considers that git is simply not human...that's all
[13:03] <gour> i'm considering one linux distro which uses git for contribution and wonder if bzr-git can be used...the answer is "yes...as long as the output is a patch that can be read by 'git am'". are we on the right track with bzr-git here?
[13:07] <jelmer> gour: sort of
[13:07] <jelmer> gour: bzr-git adds custom formatters to 'bzr send' and 'bzr diff'
[13:07]  * gour is confused a bit
[13:07] <jelmer> gour: 'bzr send --formt=git' will attempt to generate 'git am' compatible patches
[13:07] <gour> jelmer: ohh, that's good :-)
[13:08] <jelmer> gour: in practice, there's still some issues with that though
[13:09] <gour> jelmer: may we count on bugging you about in stumbling upon some obstacles?
[13:09] <gour> *it when stumbling...
[13:10] <kbulgrien> heh, can they count on you for patches?
[13:10] <kbulgrien> :-)
[13:11] <gour> he he
[13:11] <jelmer> gour: I'm happy to comment or review changes
[13:11]  * kbulgrien avoids git like the plague
[13:12] <gour> they just have their policy and we are anticipating need to contribute some missing packages (without being involved with git)
[13:12] <jelmer> gour: but I'm not really doing a lot of activce work on this code anymore
[13:12] <gour> jelmer: so, if git changes something in the future, there js de
[13:12] <gour> *is dead-end?
[13:13] <jelmer> gour: even before then, there may be minor issues that you will want to see fixed
[13:14] <jelmer> i.e. it generating output that is not compatible with git-am in some situations
[13:14] <jelmer> (I don't know if it does, but I can imagine there are some situations where that is the case)
[13:14] <gour> ok, we'll (re-)consider it
[13:15] <gour> jelmer: how does plain patch differs from what 'git am' requires? i assume that's always possible to produce
[13:15] <jelmer> gour: git am has metadata for the commit, and e.g. a diffstat
[13:16] <jelmer> so things like th ecommit message, committer name, author, etc
[13:16] <gour> ahh, ok
[13:17] <jelmer> gour: don't get me wrong, I still use bzr-git (mostly with dpush) and do the occasional fix to it when I hit a bug or there's a severe regression
[13:18] <jelmer> gour: but I'm not working on it as actively asI was before, and don't want to give you the impression I am
[13:18] <gour> jelmer: ok. let me try installing taht distro 1st...
[13:18]  * gour appreciates jelmer's honesty
[13:18] <jelmer> which distro is it, out of curiosity?
[13:19] <gour> frugalware...i use archlinux atm
[13:21] <jelmer> ah
[15:11] <jazon> Hello I have a little problem with bzr, I pastebin it
[15:12] <jazon> http://pastebin.com/63NXhvjE
[15:13] <jazon> can you help me please?
[15:15] <vila> jazon: try 'ssh -vv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:15] <mgz> jazon: and I'm guessing there's no directory /optimhome/portugal/ on that server
[15:15] <jazon> it's work
[15:16] <mgz> the path is not relative to your home dir, it's absolute.
[15:18] <jazon> when I try bzr with http://my.IP.adress/optimhome/portugal it's work...
[15:19] <mgz> right, because the http server does it's own url->path mapping that works differently
[15:20] <mgz> and is relative to a srv directory presuambly
[15:20] <mgz> pass the full path to ssh and it should be fine (if you enter your password correctly)
[15:23] <jazon> what is the way to pass the full path? I don't know.
[15:23] <jazon> It's the first time I do my own bzr server
[15:24] <mgz> if you ssh into the server, where is the optimhome directory located?
[15:25] <mgz> under /var/www maybe?
[15:25] <jazon> yes
[15:26] <mgz> then use bzr+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/var/www/optimhome/portugal/ as the branch location
[15:34] <jazon> http://pastebin.com/Kwq9vYNm
[15:36] <mgz> fix the permissions so your user has write access to all of /var/www/optimhome
[15:41] <jazon> thx mgz it's work fine :)
[15:44] <mgz> jazon: great!
[23:10] <ramsforums> hello
[23:11] <ramsforums> anyone there
[23:11] <ramsforums> i need a help with bzr
[23:12] <wgz> it's generally best to just ask your question, rather than asking to ask.
[23:15] <ramsforums> Thanks
[23:15] <ramsforums> I have downloaded repositories on my development PC from launch pad using the following command
[23:15] <ramsforums>    bzr branch lp:openobject-server/6.1 server
[23:15] <ramsforums> It worked and all latest source files on my PC
[23:15] <ramsforums> Last week I did an merge using the following command
[23:15] <ramsforums>    bzr merge
[23:15] <ramsforums> It worked well.
[23:15] <ramsforums> I am not making any changes to my working code. I typically use them that's all
[23:15] <ramsforums> Today I want to get the all latest changes from the repository I run the following command
[23:15] <ramsforums>  bzr merge
[23:15] <ramsforums> I have encountered the following err
[23:15] <ramsforums>  bzr: ERROR: Working tree [Actual tree here ] has uncommitted changes (See bzr status)
[23:15] <ramsforums> Is it a buy or I am making mistake?
[23:16] <ramsforums> Thank you
[23:16] <wgz> you want to use `bzr pull` not `bzr merge` to just get the latest changes
[23:16] <ramsforums> oo ok thanks
[23:17] <ramsforums> appreciate your help
[23:17] <wgz> merge is only for the case where you have two diverged branches with a common ancestor that you want to recombine into one
[23:17] <ramsforums> what does bzr update do?
[23:19] <wgz> modifies the files in the branch and the revision that the branch stands at
[23:19] <wgz> see <http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-guide/core_concepts.html>
[23:20] <ramsforums> ok thanks wgz for the help and giving direction


[00:44] <maco> what happened to the ability to mark a bug as reported upstream?
[00:44] <maco> you used to be able to give it a URL to the bug report on a public bugtracker, and thats gone now
[00:45] <maco> and you used to be able to choose a radio button to say that it was reported to the author but without there being a public bug, and thats gone too
[00:45] <mwhudson> maco: i saw that this morning
[00:45] <mwhudson> maco: i think it varies by project though
[00:46] <maco> well ubuntu's the project in this case
[00:46] <mwhudson> um
[00:46] <maco> im trying to mark a bug in a package in ubuntu as having been reported to the author of the software in that package
[00:46] <mwhudson> is there a project for the upstream in launchpad?
[00:47] <maco> and if i click "also affects project" it wants me to pick from a list of projects that are hosted on launchpad
[00:47] <mwhudson> right
[00:47] <maco> and this software is just sitting on some guy's server
[00:47] <mwhudson> you've never been able to create a bugtask in this situtaion
[00:47] <mwhudson> (i'm pretty sure)
[00:47] <maco> yes you could
[00:48] <maco> you used to get 3 radio buttons, i believe
[00:48] <maco> 1 you'd put in the url to a public bugtracker
[00:48] <mwhudson> that's after you've chosen the project on launchpad
[00:48] <wgrant> It doesn't make sense to add a bugwatch to an Ubuntu task.
[00:48] <wgrant> You have always had to create a project task first.
[00:48] <maco> 1 of the radio buttons was something like "the bug has been reported to the upstream author" for cases where there was no public bugtracker
[00:49] <wgrant> maco: Right, that's on the 'Also affects project' form.
[00:49] <maco> *used to be* on that form
[00:49] <maco> is not anymore
[00:49] <wgrant> It is.
[00:49] <maco> i'm looking at it. it's gone.
[00:49] <wgrant> You are just working with a package that doesn't already have its upstream project defined.
[00:49] <wgrant> Select a package, and you will get that form.
[00:50] <wgrant> Er, select a *project*.
[00:50] <maco> ok then, how do i tell the package where its upstream webpage is?
[00:50] <wgrant> Is there not yet a project for it in Launchpad?
[00:51] <maco> (and why isnt this pulled from /debian/control?)
[00:51] <maco> no. are you saying that every single upstream needs to have both their *own* project site AND a launchpad account?
[00:51] <maco> because that just sounds ridiculous
[00:51] <wgrant> maco: Every project that you want to refer to in Launchpad has to have a Launchpad project created -- placeholder or otherwise.
[00:51] <maco> ugh
[00:52] <wgrant> It has always been this way, and it works well.
[00:52] <maco> sounds like overhead for upstreams
[00:52] <wgrant> Why does it affect upstreams at all?
[00:52] <mwhudson> maco: just think of the launchpad project as somewhere to record where the bugtracker is
[00:52] <wgrant> They don't even have to know about it.
[00:52] <wgrant> Exactly.
[00:53] <maco> ill just leave a comment in the bug saying its been reported upstream. the *only* time this makes sense is when upstream is hosted on lp, which the vast majority are not
[00:54] <persia> Just for historical completeness, way long ago, before Malone handled non-disro projects well, there was a different way to handle it, but that was indeed long ago, and sufficiently so that reverting it would not be possible.
[00:54] <mwhudson> maco: launchpad supports (a bit incoherently) the idea of placeholder project
[00:54] <wgrant> maco: Why not just spend the 30 seconds to create the project and link it properly?
[00:54] <maco> mwhudson: which shouldnt be necessary
[00:54] <mwhudson> it definitely makes sense when upstream is not hosted on launchpad
[00:54] <wgrant> maco: Why not?
[00:54] <wgrant> It does affect a project.
[00:55] <mwhudson> maco: yay blanket statements
[00:55] <maco> because all it's doing is taking a URL
[00:55] <wgrant> Yes, but it needs to extract meaning from the URL.
[00:56] <wgrant> Apparently the idea to make the placeholder project registration suck less has been abandoned.
[00:56] <wgrant> I am not sure why.
[00:56] <maco> whatever. upstream doesnt even *have* a public bugtracker. i just wanted the "emailed upstream" radio button
[00:56] <spiv> wgrant: lack of tuits I suspect...
[00:57] <maco> (which since there's no url i cant imagine why a placeholder would be needed for *that*)
[00:57] <wgrant> maco: Then create the project, and select tat button.
[00:57] <wgrant> It is needed to model the operation sanely -- you have reported it to the upstream project, not to Ubuntu, so linking it against Ubuntu makes no sense.
[06:50] <alexbodn> hello friends
[06:50] <alexbodn> i've asked to reset my forgotten lp password
[06:50] <alexbodn> following the link i got a page to set a new password, but unfortunately got an error on submit.
[06:50] <alexbodn> lately, tried again, and have been announced that my account has been deactivated.
[06:50] <alexbodn> how can i have it re-activated again?
[06:55] <spm> alexbodn: oh what fun. Is the ref 'postgis' meaningful to you?
[06:55] <alexbodn> spm: i was deb maintainer for postgis in the past
[06:56] <spm> heh; just checking I have the right account.
[06:56] <alexbodn> have i met you that times?
[06:56] <spm> ha. no. I went for the obvious guess. ~alexbodn as your LP account. :-)
[06:57] <alexbodn> indeed :)
[06:58] <spm> alexbodn: have you used this account at all? it's showing up as never been activated?
[06:59] <alexbodn> well, i intended, but finally probably not.
[06:59] <alexbodn> then i wanted to contribute to a project hosted on lp
[07:02] <spm> alexbodn: I've re-activated the account. i asusme you still have access to the original email address - go for the forgotten password link and ping me back on success/fail?
[07:02] <alexbodn> thanks a lot spm. i'll do it right now
[07:03] <spm> if still no joy; we'll rename the old away; and let you create a brand newie with the same name. sledgehammer, but... :-)
[07:04] <alexbodn> waiting for a new resetting url
[07:10] <alexbodn> bad luck spm: again,
[07:10] <alexbodn>                  You cannot reset the password ofa deactivated  account.                                                                      	 Account deactivated           Your account has been deactivated.
[07:10] <spm> oh (*&^(*&%^*&^$%&*%^$&^$%!!!!!
[07:10] <spm> right. /me pulls out the big hammer
[07:11] <alexbodn> this sounds the time to do this
[07:11] <spm> heh
[07:12] <alexbodn> since i had little usage of the account, maybe it could be deleted?
[07:12] <spm> alexbodn: so, I've renamed. https://edge.launchpad.net/~alexbodn-argh <== dunno where I got the inspiration there. ;-) So pls to create a new account; and I'll merge the old in.
[07:12] <alexbodn> so the name gets free
[07:12] <spm> right
[07:12] <alexbodn> ah, right away
[07:12] <spm> we get this general style of issue enough that we know how to deal with it. the specifics change
[07:14] <alexbodn> indeed, "We’ve just emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to  confirm your address."
 2. cookies - istr there's a couple of varying names you need to allow that bit me with this when i blew away my firefox configs
[07:22] <spm> alexbodn: possibly try a diff browser?
[07:23] <alexbodn> i'm using ff. should i delete cookies related with lp?
[07:24] <spm> it's more if you're blocking ones or similar.
[07:24] <alexbodn> let me ensure, but i'm blocking nothing, i think
[07:24] <spm> i had selective allows on; and the login.lp.net domain (istr...) was being blocked
[07:24] <spm> sure
[07:29] <alexbodn> i'm not blocking cookies at all, and i've just deleted 2 cookies for this domain
[07:31] <spm> alexbodn: I must be going blind.... that link: is that a direct copy and past? cause it should be more like:  https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password ??
[07:32] <alexbodn> indeed spm, c&p
[07:32] <alexbodn> https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password
[07:34] <spm> alexbodn: is that working then?
[07:35] <alexbodn> spm, should i follow it again?
[07:35] <alexbodn> let me see
[07:35] <spm> alexbodn: yeah - just check the url link they send you off too....
[07:36] <alexbodn>  https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password , yes?
[07:36] <spm> that should be it. yup.
[07:36] <alexbodn> 1 moment
[07:37]  * spm stops guessing and goes to create an account to follow the bouncing ball....
[07:37] <alexbodn> "We’ve just emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with  instructions on resetting your password."
[07:39] <spm> alexbodn: so creating a new account. you should get an email like 'to complete your registrauion:  https://login.launchpad.net/token/<HORRIBLE_RANDOM_TEXT>/' ??
[07:41] <spm> alexbodn: I am officially a muppet. you're using the same email address correct?
[07:41] <spm> alexbodn: launchpad uses emails as a key - of sorts; try creating a new account with a different email address. ??
[07:42] <alexbodn> that's what i would expect indeed, spm. but my email/account is in lp db somewhere, so they suggested me to reset foregotten pwd in the mail you've previously seen
[07:43] <spm> alexbodn: yeah - i think something is getting very confused on your old email address - hence if we create a brand newie; I can force merge the old account in the new. So you end up where you want to be; eventually. :-)
[07:43] <alexbodn> maybe what you did changed my status from deactivated to activated, so that pwd could reset
[07:44] <spm> could well be. this part of launchpad has had some interesting changes lately; so possibly we're hitting a nasty edge case.
[07:45] <alexbodn> i got this link spm. would you want to try it? my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:48] <spm> alexbodn: oki; just sent you a password reset
[07:49] <spm> alexbodn: while that happens - do you have a different email address we can register a new account with. eg, a gmail one?
[07:49] <alexbodn> np<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:51] <spm> alexbodn: oki; have just kicked off a registration against that address - can you follow the email link you get from that? should look vaguely like: to complete your registrauion:  https://login.launchpad.net/token/<HORRIBLE_RANDOM_TEXT>/'
[07:52] <alexbodn> a problem spm. that's probably about the forgot link:
[07:52] <alexbodn>                                	 Unauthorized token  You are not authorized to use this token. If this URL was sent to you by email, please make sure you open it in the same  browser where you requested it.
[07:53] <alexbodn> i'm sending you the lnk,
[07:53] <alexbodn> https://login.launchpad.net/token/wxLfN2mCjrL59Hhwlbwl/
[07:53] <alexbodn> let me see gmail
[07:55] <alexbodn> same with the gmail link: https://login.launchpad.net/token/G8ptq4srjVd2jVwnM0Bw/
[07:56] <persia> So, that link happens to work for me, surprisingly.  I won7t actually confirm it, but...
[07:56] <spm> alexbodn: and what happens on that link? can you access it via a very different webbrowser? not firefox.
[07:56] <spm> eg konquererer
[07:58] <alexbodn> well, read the message: they wanted it to be followed from your browser, because you have issued the requests
[07:59] <spm> alexbodn: yup. can you follow it in a different browser. same PC is fine.
[08:00] <alexbodn> as i told you spm. same result in opera
[08:01] <spm> unauthorised token?
[08:01] <alexbodn> right
[08:01] <spm> heh. wonder if persia caused that.... ;-)
[08:02] <alexbodn> persia?
[08:02] <persia> I hope not.
[08:02] <spm> nope. works for me.  https://login.launchpad.net/token/G8ptq4srjVd2jVwnM0Bw/ <== sends me to the right place.
[08:02] <persia> I was just curious what response I'd get from someone else's previously used invalid token, and was surprised to be asked if I wanted to add an email address (I didn't).
[08:02] <spm> being prompted to enter new userid, and passowrd.
[08:02] <alexbodn> no wonder, the message says that
[08:03] <alexbodn> so what password have you chosen for me?
[08:03] <spm> ha! I haven't. I'm guessing if we can't get you thru here, trying to get a password reset is worlds of pain waiting.
[08:04] <spm> alexbodn: to be pedantic. Using opera, when you click on https://login.launchpad.net/token/G8ptq4srjVd2jVwnM0Bw/ what do you get?
[08:05] <alexbodn> told you
[08:05] <alexbodn> so i should issue a forgot password again, myself. shouldn't i?
[08:07] <spm> ahhh I see.
[08:10] <alexbodn> spm: still deactivated, sorry
[08:10] <spm> alexbodn: 1. flush all cookies in opera. 2. go here, https://launchpad.net/ and proceed to register a new account using your gmail address. 3. with the email that arrives; in opera! open the newly sent token link ?
[08:11] <spm> don't paste any links here; as they shouldn't work for us.
[08:12] <alexbodn> i understand the account creation and pwdreset should be confirmed in the browser the request has been issued on, previously
[08:13] <spm> yup. so the idea is to get a new account created in a clean env. once we have that and working; we then get you to login
[08:14] <spm> in your old browser/firefox
[08:14] <alexbodn> now, that you attempted to register me with gmail, you should confirm on your browser the link i've received in my mail, and then i would change my password later
[08:16] <spm> well yes I can; I'm trying to get you to do this so it doesn't stage thru me - and also to confirm by doing so; that there are no other funkies in your env that may cause other hassles. :-)
[08:18] <alexbodn> well, we've seen the confirmation wants your browser. it sounds legitimate. please do it and i'll try to login with the password you'd tell me
[08:20] <alexbodn> if you can, spm, tell me the pwd in a private window ;)
[14:58] <m_anish> Hi, I cannot seem to log into my launchpad account from within ubuntu-lucid using either firefox or epiphany-browser on my laptop. Also I cannot login to my ubuntu one account. A message apperas saying openid transaction in progress and nothing seems to happen ....   However, I AM able to login to launchpad from my workplace ... the browser I am using there is Firefox 2... I also have ubuntu karmic also installed on my laptop and the same thing is hap
[14:58] <m_anish> pening(openid transaction in progress)... pl. help me out!
[15:04] <c7p> hello everyone i have a question about the .po (on the translation process)
[15:04] <c7p> for example we have this segment of the .po file http://pastebin.com/T9jgCxMh
[15:05] <bigjools> m_anish: I'm trying to find someone to help you
[15:05] <bigjools> henninge: can you help c7p?
[15:05] <c7p> the traslation should be in quotation marks after the msgtr ?
[15:05] <m_anish> bigjools, thanks!
[15:06] <askhl_> c7p: yes, it should look quite like the msgid
[15:06] <bigjools> m_anish: while I look, can you try deleting your launchpad cookies and try again
[15:06] <c7p> nice
[15:06] <m_anish> bigjools, did that
[15:06] <askhl_> c7p: there are programmes that allow editing po-files without having to deal with these "details".  You just see a string and type a string
[15:06] <henninge> c7p: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#PO-Files
[15:06] <m_anish> bigjools, still doesn't work
[15:07] <bigjools> ok
[15:07] <henninge> c7p: the multi-line formatting is explained a bit further down
[15:07] <askhl_> c7p: I do suspect that the empty lines shouldn't be there in the pasted segment, though
[15:07] <henninge> c7p: but I agree with askhl_ that you should not really be editing these manually, unless you are creating a conversion tool etc yourself.
[15:08] <henninge> but even then there are libraries to help
[15:08] <henninge> askhl_, c7p, yes, there cannot be a blank line between msgid and msgstr
[15:09] <c7p> ok thank you guys :)
[15:09] <matsubara> m_anish, do you get any oops?
[15:13] <m_anish> matsubara, I didn't exactly get what your saying, What is happening is ... I login to ubuntuone site a single sign on page appears with my account info and two buttons "Yes sign me in" or "cancel" upon pressing the former, nothing happens and "Waiting for one.ubuntu.com" is displayed in the browser
[15:13] <m_anish> matsubara, ...status bar
[15:15] <matsubara> m_anish, did you try clean up the cookies for your browser for that domain?
[15:17] <m_anish> matsubara, I have just deleted ALL cookies, history etc and given it another go... same result. BTW, the exact same thing is happening with my launchpad account login
[15:20] <matsubara> m_anish, I just tried with a clean firefox profile and it worked for me. what browser are you using?
[15:21] <m_anish> the default browser on ubuntu-lucid firefox 3.6.3
[15:22] <matsubara> m_anish, same one I'm using here.
[15:22] <m_anish> also tried it on epiphany-browser... same thing. The login process worked for me too from my workplace which has firefox 2 running on solaris
[15:22] <m_anish> :/
[15:23] <matsubara> m_anish, can you try with a new firefox profile? start it with firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote
[15:23] <matsubara> m_anish, also make sure you're not blocking cookies from those domains
[15:24] <wgrant> Also, do you have JavaScript enabled for those sites?
[15:27] <m_anish> matsubara, same thing "Waiting for one.ubuntu.com" :( I guess default settings are to keep cookies enabled. I have anyway checked that some cookies have been stored on my computer
[15:28] <matsubara> m_anish, wgrant> Also, do you have JavaScript enabled for those sites?
[15:29] <m_anish> My internet connection is through a router, could it have to do something with settings on my router (although I am able to login to gmail etc.)
[15:30] <matsubara> m_anish, I use a router as well. do you see the same behaviour on other sites as well?
[15:33] <m_anish> matsubara, wgrant, Javascript is enabled by default
[15:35] <m_anish> matsubara, yes I seem to have same issue when I try to login to slashdot with my launchpad openid. Slashdot redirects to launchpad, where I authenticate... after that it says "Waiting for slashdot" and nothing happens
[15:35] <matsubara> m_anish, I mean, do you get a similar issue outside of the ubuntu one/launchpad open id authentication workflow?
[15:41] <m_anish> matsubara, interesting... now that you say it ... I have two other openid's myopenid and google. I am using them to log into superuser.com and slashdot.org... both seem stuck with the same issue!
[15:41] <m_anish> I am able to login to gmail.com and mail.yahoo.com
[15:44] <matsubara> m_anish, if you wait long enough, does it time out?
[15:44] <m_anish> matsubara, I am able to login to facebook, gmail, yahoo mail
[15:44] <m_anish> matsubara, ok let me try
[15:45] <matsubara> m_anish, not sure what the problem is. it looks like something on your side rather than on launchpad's
[15:45] <m_anish> matsubara, It seem increasingly so to me too!
[15:45] <matsubara> m_anish, maybe a firewall rule on your router?
[15:51] <m_anish> matsubara, hmm.. I have temporarily disabled my router firewall and given it another go, will update you soon.
[15:55] <m_anish> matsubara, :/ same thing... after a long time firefox loaded a blank page, when I view its source I see nothing!
[16:05] <m_anish> matsubara, Thanks for all the help... I will duly get back to you if I am able to solve this issue :)
[16:06] <ETSHost> hello, i was curious if someone could help me with my own launchpad not working after changing IP addresses. Is there a config file I have to set for launchpad specifically? Apache still works.
[16:06] <matsubara> m_anish, np
[16:16] <m_anish> matsubara, Ok, I've just restarted my computer switching from ubuntu-lucid to ubuntu-karmic... Opened google-chrome (NOT firefox) and I see that I am already logged in there. I had logged into launchpad using google-chrome about two weeks ago <I want to pull my hair out>
[16:16] <matsubara> m_anish, what happens if you log out and try the login again?
[16:17] <m_anish> matsubara, now I am dead-scared to log-out of my launchpad account in google-chrome
[16:17] <matsubara> hehe
[16:17] <m_anish> matsubara, ok here goes!!!
[16:20] <m_anish> matsubara, ok.. I logged out of launchpad in google-chrome .... tried to log back in using firefox ... no success.... tried to log back in using google-chrome again ... success!
[16:23]  * m_anish "wants to pull his hair out"
[16:25] <m_anish> matsubara, I guess I have a working launchpad account for now :) (though its locked to A browser amongst three operating systems installed on my computer), Thanks again.
[16:26] <matsubara> m_anish, np
[16:58] <nigelb> bigjools, anything more to be done for this question? https://answers.launchpad.net/malone/+question/107284
[16:58]  * bigjools looks
[17:14] <merbit> hi, is a launchpad member allowed to delete their user account?
[17:16] <merbit> There's a member in ~surl team, rhett trappman - https://edge.launchpad.net/~surl/+members#active - their profile page is not found, nor does it say it is deactivated: https://edge.launchpad.net/~r12056
[17:17] <nigelb> merbit, ah, he was a bit of a problem maker
[17:18] <nigelb> his account was suspended I believe
[17:19] <merbit> darn, I should pick my contributors better :P
[17:19] <nigelb> probably :D
[17:19] <nigelb> he made a huge mess in ubuntu projects and teams
[17:19] <maxb> His profile page doesn't say "not found", it says "gone" :-)
[17:20] <merbit> true :)
[17:20] <maxb> But, it feels like a bug to me that launchpad links to a "gone" error
[17:21] <dickelbeck> help:  https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/kicad is not coming up, gave me instead instructions to report that here.
[17:22] <maxb> bigjools: Is staging broken?
[17:23] <bigjools> maxb: let me check, someone might be updating it as it was out of date
[17:25] <bigjools> maxb: yes it's getting updated, no ETA as the automated updates were broken so they're doing a manual one
[17:25] <maxb> dickelbeck: ^
[17:26] <maxb> bigjools: Is this worth en-topic-ing?
[17:26] <bigjools> yup :)
[17:27] <dickelbeck> maxb: I'm gathering that I should simply try some time later.
[17:27] <merbit> maxb: shouldn't at least show a log or something as to why the profile page is gone?
[17:27] <maxb> I think it should.
[17:28] <merbit> I'll file a bug :)
[17:28] <geser> how long does it take to sync an OOPS?
[17:28] <bigjools> geser: ~5mins I think
[17:31] <geser> OOPS-1564EC887 is because of me missing permissions, right? The error message "(<Archive at 0x1442fbd0>, 'newPackageUploader', 'launchpad.Edit')" isn't helpful at all
[17:31] <bigjools> checking ...
[17:31] <cody-somerville> geser, yes
[17:31] <bigjools> yeah that should not oops, bleh
[17:32] <merbit> bug 562410
[17:33] <merbit> cheers!
[19:22] <Penguin2> I have a new upstream release - is there any way to make a debian source package automatically? - The only debian thing that needs to change is the changelog.
[19:36] <dickelbeck> what is an ETA for https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/kicad being accessible?
[20:03] <Ursinha> mthaddon, is there an ETA for staging to go up?
[20:59] <Schmorgluck> hi
[21:00] <Schmorgluck> does someone here know what are the rules for passwords on Launchpad? I haven't found them anywhere
[21:01] <Schmorgluck> and the site keeps telling me I'm entering invalid characters
[21:02] <Schmorgluck> but my passwords are entirely made of perfectly valid Unicode characters
[21:02] <Schmorgluck> I don't understand
[21:09] <Schmorgluck> Nobody?
[21:11] <Schmorgluck> I briefly considered the idea that the website only accepts ASCII passwords, but that would be completely moronic
[21:11] <azop> such is life :P
[21:12] <Schmorgluck> plus, who, nowadays, would put such an exotic restriction on passwords without clearly stating it to the user?
[21:17] <Schmorgluck> ah, yeah, and of course I have to be logged to launchpad to ask my question on how to log to launchpad
[21:18] <Schmorgluck> I feel tired
[21:30] <kfogel> sinzui: topic says staging still down, but staging appears up to me -- any reason I shouldn't change topic?
[21:31] <sinzui> If I ca QA, then yes we should say it is up
[21:32] <Zarathoustra> Hi chan!
[21:34] <Zarathoustra> I always have a problem with my account creation
[21:36] <Zarathoustra> I open a ticket on https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/ 11 days ago and I didn't get any answer
[21:37] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: this is launchpad account?
[21:37] <Zarathoustra> yes
[21:37] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: what is the problem?  (or is there a URL to your ticket?  Though I'm not sure I'll be able to see it...)
[21:39] <Zarathoustra>  https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/ don't offer any ticket number, just a 'Thanks for your report', or something near...
[21:41] <Zarathoustra> I tried to subscribe, received a mail saying "You want to reset your password?"
[21:43] <Zarathoustra> clicking yes, clicking the link then getting a 'Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad Login Service.'
[21:44] <Zarathoustra> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[21:44] <Zarathoustra> (Error ID: 1553canistel117)
[21:51] <Zarathoustra> ping?
[21:57] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: ping?
[21:58] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: sorry -- helps to say my nick when responding.
[21:58] <kfogel> reading backscroll now
[21:58] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: when you say you "tried to subscribe", do you mean you tried to create a launchpad account?
[21:59] <Zarathoustra> yes
[22:00] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: Did you try to do it via the web page UI at launchpad.net?
[22:00] <Zarathoustra> yes
[22:00] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: hmm.  do you know if the account got created or not?  What is the account name, or an email address associated with it?
[22:01] <Schmorgluck> but seriously, what ARE the rules for launchpad passwords?
[22:01] <Zarathoustra> I don't know if the account is created or not
[22:01] <Schmorgluck> I can't find them
[22:01] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: I created an account with alain.portal AT univ-montp2.fr, this work
[22:01] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: looking
[22:02] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: stop ! ;-)
[22:03] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: ?
[22:03] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: I trried to created another account with alain.portal AT free.fr, unsuceessfull
[22:03] <Zarathoustra> this is my problem
[22:03] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: hunh.  I don't know what is the cause, but mailing feedback {AT} launchpad.net is generally a better way to find out (rather than...)
[22:03] <kfogel> oh
[22:03] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: you mean you know the cause now?
[22:04] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: no, I don't know
[22:04] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: phone, one sec
[22:06] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: but I try to add my 2nd address to my account, hoping I could received mails, from mailing lists I subscribed, on my 2 emails... Unfortunalety, this don't work
[22:09] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: I have to go do something else unfortunately.  feedback {AT} launchpad.net is the place to ask, though, definitely!
[22:10] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: so, you say I loose my time (10 days...) with https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/ ?
[22:11] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: did they ever respond to you?
[22:11] <Zarathoustra> none answer
[22:12] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: Well, then if I tried to deny that that time was lost, I would be denying reality :-).
[22:12] <Zarathoustra> yes... ;-)
[22:13] <Zarathoustra> If you want, I can flood my report here...
[22:14] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: feedback @ is the place.  This channel can sometimes help, especially when a "help contact" is listed in the channel topic.  I normally could help, I'm just in the middle of something else at the moment, unfortunately.
[22:15] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: I'll "feedback"...
[22:15] <kfogel> Zarathoustra: good luck.  I wish I knew why it wasn't working.
[22:15] <Zarathoustra> Hoping "feedback" will be more verbose than https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/
[22:42] <Zarathoustra> kfogel: done, I got the auto-response
[22:42] <kklimonda> why does summary require me to use quotation marks if it stops processing at the new line anyway?
[22:42] <Zarathoustra> good night chan!
[22:44] <Schmorgluck> is there a mean to sign in on launchpad?
[22:46] <Schmorgluck> is there a chance that someone, someday, will Write The Fucking Manual about how to connect to Launchpad?
[22:50] <tsimpson> Schmorgluck: you mean the "Log in / Register" link in the top right?
[22:52] <Schmorgluck> Nope, I mean the "Complete your registration" page
[22:54] <Schmorgluck> my passwords keep being refused without any explanation as to why
[22:57] <tyarusso> Is there documentation available regarding how to install/deploy Launchpad?  I'm looking into the possibility of using it internally.  (Mainly Bugs and Answers)
[23:01] <Schmorgluck> OK, let me ask the question straight: are passwords on Launchpad limited to ASCII characters?
[23:02] <tyarusso> Schmorgluck: I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
[23:03] <tyarusso> You can always try a different password and try changing it later.
[23:03] <Schmorgluck> they definitely should state it, because it has become a pretty exotic limitation
[23:03] <Schmorgluck> I could do that, but I'm in a WTFM mood
[23:03] <tyarusso> True.  Test it, and if it turns out that is the issue, then file a bug against Launchpad.
[23:04] <Schmorgluck> I'd prefer to be able to file a bug directly
[23:05] <tyarusso> What do you mean?
[23:05] <Schmorgluck> after all, I'm not trying to do anything that isn't stated as being unacceptable
[23:06] <tyarusso> what do you mean by "file a bug directly"?  Without attempting to confirm it?
[23:06] <Schmorgluck> without having to use a lame password to register
[23:07] <james_w> you don't have to use a lame password
[23:07] <Schmorgluck> I can't use my password policy
[23:09] <Schmorgluck> Sorry
[23:09] <Schmorgluck> I realize I'm being needlessly stubborn
[23:10] <Schmorgluck> I will use a temporary lame password to file a bug report
[23:10] <kklimonda> I actually get " Invalid characters in password  " on the staging server when I try to use characters like żółć
[23:11] <kklimonda> so it doesn't fail without any explanation
[23:11] <james_w> my point was that a password doesn't have to include non-ascii characters to be non-lame
[23:11] <Schmorgluck> I don't see any invalid character in your example
[23:18] <kklimonda> Schmorgluck: you see? they are non ascii :)
[23:20] <Schmorgluck> and they are rejected, kklimonda


[11:20] <ikonia> k1l_: he's a known problem
[11:21] <ikonia> he gives terrible advice, a bad attitude and is just a rubbish contribution to #ubuntu
[11:21] <k1l_> well, the nick rings my bells
[11:21] <Pici> He has been banned from -ot a few times.
[11:22] <ikonia> he's just rubbish contributions to any ubuntu channel
[11:22] <ikonia> that's the bottom line
[11:22] <bazhang> calinou spreading FUD in #u
[11:22] <ikonia> he's hassling them in pm/notice now
[11:22] <ikonia> enough of this guy
[11:23] <Calinou> I have problem
[11:23] <bazhang> yes
[11:25] <Calinou> I got banned unfairly
[11:26] <bazhang> 12.04 is fully supported
[11:27] <Calinou> yes it is
 you end up not being able to use some software at all
[11:28] <bazhang> false
[11:31] <bazhang> you then continued to /msg and /notice the user you advised as such
[11:32] <Calinou> why ban for that?
[11:32] <Calinou> it's outside of channel
[11:32] <Calinou> that user also should NOT reveal PMs
[11:32] <Calinou> they are supposed to be private
[11:32] <Calinou> I talked there to have freedom of speech again
[11:32] <ikonia> Calinou: lets make it clear
[11:32] <bazhang> it's a support channel, to give accurate support
[11:33] <ikonia> Calinou: your persistnat poor advice in ubuntu channels, your attitude in ubuntu channels and the ammount of kicks/warnings/short bans you've had make it clear your current way of using IRC is not compatible with the ubuntu channels
[11:33] <ikonia> you have a choice a.) go away - think about it and change 2.) use other projects channels
[11:33] <Calinou> except that I use ubuntu
[11:33] <Calinou> what if I have a support question?
[11:33] <ikonia> that's your problem
[11:33] <Myrtti> use askubuntu.com
[11:33] <Myrtti> or forums
[11:34] <Calinou> that's not a real solution
[11:34] <ikonia> you have the 2 choices
[11:34] <Myrtti> or whatever
[11:34] <Calinou> Myrtti, you're not really wanted to talk here
[11:34] <ikonia> go away and have a think about it for a while, and make your choice
[11:34] <Myrtti> oh?
[11:34] <ikonia> Calinou: she's offering you advice
[11:34] <ikonia> Calinou: this is the "bad" attitude you show
[11:34] <ikonia> so thank you for hilighting it
[11:34] <ikonia> now please leave the channel and think about your choice
[11:34] <Calinou> ikonia, your opinion is biased too
[11:34] <ikonia> there will be no more disucssion at this time
[11:35] <Myrtti> cue in pm from him in 3... 2...
[11:35] <ikonia> who cares
[11:35] <ikonia> he's just a waste of space
[11:35] <ikonia> really....
[11:35] <Myrtti> I'm not worried about him pm'ing you
[11:35] <ikonia> sure sure
[12:43] <LjL> Pici: oh right, rebecca ;(
[12:55] <Pici> "holy catfish"
[17:39] <LjL> [18:37:43] --> graped2 has joined this channel (~chatzilla@artemis.asta.uni-mainz.de).
[17:39] <LjL> same host as guy who was asking about (very) illegal things, including chatzilla
[17:42] <IdleOne> hadn't you banned him?
[17:43] <LjL> IdleOne: yeah but by nickname only, since that host is an educational institution
[17:43] <IdleOne> have we seen anyone else from that school join our channels?
[17:44] <IdleOne> I suppose you could just see what happens
[17:58] <LjL> IdleOne: no one else from that host in my logs
[17:59] <IdleOne> doesn't seem interested in trolling so far
[17:59] <LjL> IdleOne: i wish he was trying to troll :\
[17:59] <LjL> he's actually in ##law which i pointed to him
[18:04] <knome> hmm, interesting channel
[22:48] <k1l> same ip just stating some minutes ago: <indefinatelybann> hey im working on a java drive by, is there any way to do it without the run java prompt
[22:51] <Jordan_U> k1l: I'm a little busy at the moment. Would you mind adding comments about that to the ban I made in the BT? I wgot the page and viewed it with less and it asked users to run an exe, so clearly mallicious.
[22:51] <k1l> kk
[22:53] <Jordan_U> Thank you.