[01:20] <doko_> Daviey, who did approve the python-tablib MIR?
[01:21] <doko_> afaics, there even wasn't one
[01:47] <doko_> ohh, I see, just cliff-tablib was promoted
[04:14] <rsalveti`> infinity: another FFe: bug 1053212
[04:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053212 in qemu-linaro "[FFe] merge qemu-linaro v12.09, based on upstream v1.2.0" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053212
[04:15] <rsalveti`> current qemu-linaro is quite old already, based on 12.03
[04:15] <rsalveti`> new qemu linaro is also based on upstream 1.2
[04:15] <rsalveti`> which is a stable release, fixing a few arm specific patches as well
[08:53]  * Laney sees a curiously emboldened ubuntu one ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> Riddell: have you upgraded to the new ttf-ubuntu-font family and noticed anything breaking?
[09:19] <Riddell> Laney: oh is it in?  I'll try that now
[09:19] <Laney> yeah
[09:19] <Laney> please just update the bug with anything that got broken
[09:58] <Laney> I believe I need to accept that NEW backport fonts-cns11643 into multiverse explicitly, is that right?
[09:58] <Laney> and is it just a matter of passing -c multiverse to queue accept?
[09:58] <Laney> (IOW: do I need to care about -x -p?)
[10:03] <Daviey> doko: i believe so..
[10:04] <doko> Daviey, my bad, see my follow-up
[10:05] <Daviey> hah, i was confused aswell :)
[10:13] <cjwatson> Laney: use queue override
[10:13] <cjwatson> -c -x -p don't do anything for accept
[10:13] <Laney> ok
[10:14] <Laney> do I need to specify them all?
[10:14] <cjwatson> but is it not already in the right component?
[10:14] <cjwatson> it certainly looks like it
[10:14] <Laney> it is in Q
[10:14] <cjwatson> you only need to specify ones which are wrong in queue info
[10:14] <Laney> does that mean it will end up right in precise-backports?
[10:14] <Laney> ah, yeah, looks right
[10:14] <cjwatson> 'queue -s precise-backports info' says
[10:14] <cjwatson>          | * fonts-cns11643/98.1-2~ubuntu12.04.1 Component: multiverse Section: fonts
[10:14] <Laney> i see it
[10:15] <cjwatson> so yeah, that's fine, you can just accept if you're happy with the rest of it
[10:15] <Laney> ta
[10:17] <tjaalton> ubuntu-sru members here? fix for bug 819304 has been on the queue for two weeks
[10:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 819304 in gvfs "gvfsd-cdda crashed with signal 5 in _g_dbus_oom()" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819304
[10:27] <Daviey> would some consider NEW reviewing ubuntu-cloud-keyring for precise-proposed?  Does it constitute an SRU?
[13:05] <ScottK> A new package is definitely an SRU.
[13:56] <ScottK> FYI, thanks to the recent "improvements" in the Ubuntu fonts, Kubuntu is dropping them for Quantal.
[14:03] <jbicha> by the way, UIFE requests definitely must not be private bugs
[14:03] <jbicha> these bugs have to be seen by the entire documention & translator teams before they are approved
[14:06] <stgraber> Laney: for bug 1048600, do you recommend a revert because of the regressions (u1 and kde/qt) or do you know who to nag to get these solved ASAP?
[14:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048600 in ayatana-design "[FFe] Restore "Ubuntu Medium" weights in Ubuntu's binary .deb" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048600
[14:07] <Laney> I don't know of any serious attempts at debugging
[14:07] <Laney> sladen: ^ do you?
[14:09] <Laney> stgraber: I think we should revert it before candidate builds begin. Perhaps letting it run for a while to get information is a useful exercise, I'm not sure.
[14:10] <Laney> There's also the comment #3 issue.
[14:13] <stgraber> right...
[14:14] <Laney> Perhaps we should have some kind of collective release team decision...
[14:16] <sladen> Laney: I didn't manage to allocate a solid undisturbed week to it while @canonical.  I've been avoiding Ubuntu stuff over this summer.  When I'm back and motivated again, yes, I'm planning to have a go.  popey et al I believe have been asked to do something about it
[14:16] <stgraber> Laney: ok, I re-opened the bug and commented that we'll likely revert if the regressions aren't fixed by the time we start spinning the first b2 images.
[14:16] <sladen> ScottK: of course, it would be nicer to fix Qt :)
[14:17] <ScottK> sladen: Sure, but one I know how to do and the other I don't.
[14:17] <stgraber> Laney: oh, well, I didn't see the "collective release team decision" part before re-opening the bug and commenting :)
[14:17] <skaet> Laney,  lets get as much data today as possible,  then add it to the agenda for tomorrow's meeting.
[14:17] <ScottK> It seems rather late in the cycle to be intentionally breaking stuff to me.
[14:18] <popey> in the event we managed to find someone to look at the bugs surfaced by bug 1048600, would it be possible to re-revert it back in later?
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048600 in ayatana-design "[FFe] Restore "Ubuntu Medium" weights in Ubuntu's binary .deb" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048600
[14:18] <Laney> I think it's a more likely target for R
[14:19] <Laney> but that would be a matter for the SRU team
[14:19] <jbicha> popey: no, major UI tweaks really need to land today
[14:20] <jbicha> or 3 weeks ago, but you get the idea
[14:21] <stgraber> jbicha: I was going to say by Monday for that specific one as asking for resolution today doesn't seem possible. My understanding is that once fixed, there would be no UI change vs what we had before, so no screenshot to update, correct?
[14:22] <jbicha> I'm redoing screenshots this weekend so could we get EVERYTHING straightened out by tomorrow please
[14:22] <Laney> we'll make the determination at the release meeting
[14:22] <jbicha> it's like UserInterfaceFreeze was 3 weeks ago, but today is like ReallySeriousUserInterfaceFreeze or something :|
[14:23] <jbicha> at least there isn't any text that would need to be written for a font change
[14:24] <stgraber> jbicha: can you use the previous font package for the screenshots? surely we don't want to include screenshots using the wrong font?
[14:24] <stgraber> if it's too difficult, then I'd recommend we revert by 21:00 UTC today and accept a fixed version till Monday whenever-we-start-spinning UTC
[14:26] <stgraber> popey: do you think you can get someone to fix/workaround that regression by Monday (probably around noon your time)?
[14:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: the change for edubuntu, is it very specifically a space-in-unity-launcher thing for you?
[14:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: imho it's more than that and I'd like to keep edubuntu a free system as far as possible with as little adware (for lack of a nicer word) as far as humanly possible
[14:28] <Laney> err
[14:28] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116683619/libunity-webapps_2.3.3-0quantal1_2.3.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz ← unity-webapps-runner-amazon.c
[14:28] <Laney> it already went in?!?!?!
[14:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: I just want them to make it technically possible to revert it and the release team to be prepared for us reverting it. The actual reasons why I want to revert these aren't relevant (and would likely have started an off-topic discussion in the bug)
[14:30] <Laney> popey: can you comment on this in the bug please?
[14:30] <popey> stgraber, i honestly don't know
[14:30] <Laney> or get someone to
[14:31] <popey> i have reached out to a community guy who knows fonts, asked him to take a look, and he has said he will, he's at a conf today though
[14:32] <Laney> the webapps one, not the font one
[14:32] <stgraber> Laney: is that actually the change adding these launchers to the default unity launchers? If so, the changelog is rather confusing...
[14:32] <popey> oh, sorry.
[14:32] <Laney> stgraber: no, I think it just builds them
[14:32] <Laney> still definitely a Feature
[14:32] <stgraber> right...
[14:33] <Laney> but the changelog is interesting, yes
[14:35] <popey> Laney, sorry, what do you want me to comment on?
[14:36] <Laney> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-applications/+bug/1046840/comments/23
[14:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046840 in Ubuntu Quantal "[UIFE][FFE] Install Amazon and Ubuntu One Music Store webapp items in the launcher by default" [High,New]
[14:38] <Laney> jbicha: you coming to UDS?
[14:38] <jbicha> Laney: no, sorry I won't be able to attend in person this time
[14:39] <Laney> ah, that's unfortunate
[14:39] <Laney> I want a What Are Freezes For session, at which your attendance would have been appreciated
[14:43] <jbicha> ok, I'm signing off to take care of other responsibilities, I'll check in a bit later
[14:44] <Laney> bye
[15:09] <Daviey> anyone on ~ubuntu-sru want to take a package?
[15:09] <Daviey> :)
[15:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: I get a ubiquity error that it can't install grub to /dev/vda and I can't find the LP bug, are you aware of an existing bug for that?
[15:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: nope. Is that today's build?
[15:29] <highvoltage> stgraber: yep
[15:29] <highvoltage> (well, the current one)
[15:30] <stgraber> highvoltage: can you post /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/* somewhere?
[15:31] <stgraber> cjwatson: looks like the python port regressed the size detection for Edubuntu's armhf DVD build. It's now reporting oversizedness
[15:32] <cjwatson> stgraber: ok, give me a bit
[15:32] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216905
[15:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216907
[15:34] <stgraber> cjwatson: looks like size_limit_extension() overrides size_limit() for all ARM images to 1024 * 1024 * 1024 which isn't correct for Edubuntu.  Looks like something's wrong with grub-installer or related magic. Kind of odd we didn't hear about that yet...
[15:36] <stgraber> highvoltage: is that in kvm or vbox?
[15:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: kvm
[15:36] <cjwatson> that explains why the edubuntu override was in a funny place anyway :-/
[15:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: I fixed that this morning
[15:37] <cjwatson> just needs a ubiquity rebuild which I'll do in a bit
[15:37] <cjwatson> highvoltage: ^- so consider it handled
[15:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: we did hear about it BTW, it was escalated from a jenkins failure
[15:37] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, indeed, for some reason I missed that in the #ubuntu-installer backlog...
[15:39] <stgraber> cjwatson: ah, do we still get e-mails for jenkins failure somewhere? I remember we used to get these to the foundations mailing-list but that seems to have stopped (or I blacklisted it and can't remember doing so...)
[15:40] <cjwatson> I haven't seen them for a while (though I thought that was just autopkgtest, but I haven't seen those either)
[15:40] <cjwatson> maybe it was just switched on for precise?
[15:40] <cjwatson> stgraber: fixed the Edubuntu sizelimit regression now
[15:40] <cjwatson> (with a test)
[15:41] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks
[15:42] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, right, might have been just autopkgtest
[16:02] <pgraner> stgraber, cjwatson: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-testing-notifications
[16:02] <pgraner> ^^^^ Jenkins failures
[16:16] <hallyn> jdstrand: who should i ping about the FFE for qemu-kvm?  I think i'd be nice to get it in before today's freeze while we shake out the hot-unplug bug
[16:22] <mardy> iulian: hi! Do you have a spare minute?
[16:28] <infinity> hallyn: I can look at it in a sec.  Throw me a bug number.
[16:29] <infinity> hallyn: Does it relate vaguely to the qemu-linaro FFe that rsalveti pinged me about last night? :P
[16:29] <infinity> hallyn: (At least, would then end up being vaguely in lockstep, version/feature-wise?)
[16:29] <infinity> hallyn: Cause I'm all for them not being wildly out of sync.
[16:30] <jdstrand> hallyn: #ubuntu-release. I don't consider the CVE regression to be a blocker for the ffe. that is just a bug fix that should be fixed before release
[16:30] <infinity> I also wish someone would sort out how to just pick one good source, and build all the packages from there, instead of doing it all twice...
[16:30] <jdstrand> hallyn: heh, we are in #ubuntu-release (ETOOMANYCONVERSATIONS)
[16:30] <infinity> jdstrand: We sure are!
[16:31] <rsalveti> infinity: bug 1052932 and bug 1053212
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1052932 in qemu-kvm "[FFE] merge upstream v1.2.0" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1052932
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053212 in qemu-linaro "[FFe] merge qemu-linaro v12.09, based on upstream v1.2.0" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053212
[16:31] <rsalveti> yeah, in the past qemu-linaro had a bunch of additional patches on top of the upstream tree
[16:31] <hallyn> rsalveti: thanks :)
[16:32] <hallyn> i was trying to find it still
[16:32] <rsalveti> but something to check again
[16:32] <rsalveti> np
[16:32] <hallyn> infinity: i suspect due to main inclusion issues we can't combine the trees completely, but i'd like to discuss at uds how to do it better
[16:32] <infinity> rsalveti, hallyn: Right, I'll look at both in a sec.  It'll probably be a blanket approve/deny for both, since having them at similar versions seems sane.
[16:32] <rsalveti> infinity: yup
[16:33] <rsalveti> thanks
[16:33] <infinity> hallyn: Main Inclusion will become less of a thing fairly soon.
[16:33] <hallyn> rsalveti: maybe we can try keeping the qemu-kvm and qemu-linaro trees somewhat in sync for the lifetime of quantal :)
[16:33] <hallyn> infinity: ohrly
[16:34] <stgraber> hallyn: we're trying to kill the main/universe separation (archive reorg), making slow progress but not being terribly far from it anyway
[16:35] <cjwatson> really been trumped by other things this cycle
[16:35] <cjwatson> (as ever)
[16:35] <rsalveti> yeah, the additional patch list is still huge hehe
[16:35] <Laney> any installer people want to look at xnox's bug #1042649?
[16:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042649 in ubiquity "[FFe] [UIFe] Manual Partitioning Crypt" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042649
[16:35]  * Laney abstained
[16:35] <hallyn> jdstrand: ^ i'm curious how security team handles that
[16:36] <xnox> Laney: it's so late on a thursday evening, and people generally expect friday morning image to be milestone testing worthy, I'm inclined at nacking this for beta-2.
[16:37] <Laney> xnox: If it's nacked for b2 it's probably nacked for Q
[16:37] <xnox> :'(
[16:37] <Laney> is there a ubiquity upload coming for anything else?
[16:37] <xnox> cjwatson is doing one now
[16:38] <Laney> I see
[16:38] <xnox> to upload grub fix
[16:38]  * Laney hugs xnox
[16:38] <Laney> we'll get through this!
[16:38] <skaet> cjwatson, can you look at the FFe ^ and comment?
[16:39] <xnox> Laney: we dropped alternate images already, yet this and the advanced lvm are critical and were assumed to be "landing soon" when alternates were dropped.
[16:39] <cjwatson> bit frazzled this afternoon ...
[16:40] <cjwatson> but xnox is correct on that point at least
[16:40] <cjwatson> we really need this for q
[16:40] <cjwatson> it's basically a serious full-system regression if we don't
[16:41] <xnox> Laney: nacking adv-crypt & adv-lvm FFe means we have to bring back alternatives.
[16:41] <Laney> heh
[16:41] <xnox> (alternate cds)
[16:41] <skaet> infinity,  ^ can you help out with the review?
[16:41] <cjwatson> that actually doesn't look too bad, though I want to look at the code
[16:41]  * xnox is not volunteering to test all alternatives.
[16:41] <cjwatson> UI complexity is minimal, considering
[16:41] <Laney> get it reviewed and get QA prepared to test it
[16:41] <skaet> UI has a+1 on it already
[16:42]  * cjwatson reviews code
[16:42] <balloons> xnox, anything else in the pipe your going to ffe?
[16:43] <xnox> bug 1024649 and bug 1042647
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1024649 in openclipart "openclipart-libreoffice package should not recommend libreoffice package" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024649
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042647 in ubiquity "[FFe] [UIFe] Manual Partitioning LVM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042647
[16:43] <xnox> bug 1042649 and bug 1042647
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042649 in ubiquity "[FFe] [UIFe] Manual Partitioning Crypt" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042649
[16:44]  * xnox got 2 & 4 wrong way around =)
[16:44] <Laney> no release team on that other one
[16:44] <Laney> oh, no branch
[16:44] <Laney> no code?
[16:44] <xnox> Laney: UI bits and strings landed in beta1
[16:45] <xnox> but hidden
[16:45] <xnox> hooking up partman logic, I have some code locally but it's not done yet.
[16:45] <Laney> hmm
[16:45] <xnox> shoudl adv-crypto be uploaded into -proposed such that balloons / QA can test it?
[16:45] <xnox> or a PPA?
[16:46] <Laney> not proposed
[16:46] <xnox> without affecting beta2 testing.
[16:46] <Laney> well, not proposed for testing
[16:46] <ScottK> xnox: quantal-proposed exists soley to avoid archive skew.  For testing, us a PPA.
[16:46] <cjwatson> adv-crypto - let's just do it for beta-2.  the complexity here is not such that I think it would be difficult to hide again if it turns out to be impossible to fix nits
[16:47] <cjwatson> I've reviewed the code branch, it looks fine
[16:47] <Laney> I think that if it's to go ahead that you should just put it in
[16:47] <ScottK> Or that.
[16:47] <skaet> thanks cjwatson
[16:47] <xnox> and if QA is happy testing: milestone/daily-image + upgrade ubiquity then land.
[16:47] <skaet> balloons, plars ^?
[16:48] <balloons> I can't commit much time today to help sadly.. unity team is doing there own last minute landings :-)
[16:49] <cjwatson> xnox: less confident in LVM without being able to see the code
[16:49] <xnox> well jibel did amazing ubiquity testing & great bugs.
[16:49] <Laney> xnox: cheers
[16:49] <xnox> cjwatson: sure. I understand.
[16:49] <Laney> I'll do a test install with it tomorrow
[16:49] <popey> Laney, ScottK where have the reports of the font breaking 'all of qt' come from?
[16:49] <balloons> I am happy to do what I can to help land.. just it would be best to have plars or jibel or etc on point on this
[16:49] <popey> I have a qt app open (fontmatrix) and the font looks fine. I appreciate it looks wrong in some other apps like libreoffice and vlc though.
[16:49]  * skaet --> lunch, biab
[16:49] <cjwatson> xnox: can you do an upload more or less straight away with that, then?  doesn't seem to be a reason to wait
[16:50] <Laney> popey: who says it breaks all of Qt?
[16:50] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. yeah that branch is ready.
[16:50] <cjwatson> that> adv-crypto I mean
[16:50] <xnox> cjwatson: yes, me to adv-crypto branch =)
[16:50] <xnox> s/to/too/
[16:51] <xnox> I am interested how bug 1053112 will affect beta2
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053112 in gtk+3.0 "ubiquity crashes when orca is running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053112
[16:51] <plars> xnox, skaet: if someone can give me a heads up when it lands, I can give it a try
[16:51]  * Laney just started LO to test and has no menu bar
[16:51] <xnox> cause gtk+3.0 upload means respin of everything but kubuntu/server&cloud?
[16:51] <popey> Laney, seemed the implication
[16:52] <Laney> I don't know what the precise impact is
[16:52] <popey> from what sladen said above along with "all kde" apps being broken, and the last comment from scott
[16:53] <infinity> cjwatson: Are you on top of reviewing/approving both of xnox's bugs in backscroll?
[16:53] <xnox> infinity: crypt reviewed & approved, lvm nothing to review yet =)
[16:53] <cjwatson> yeah, what he said
[16:53] <cjwatson> I'm happy to review adv-lvm once code appears
[16:54] <xnox> thanks.
[16:54] <cjwatson> (but I don't know if that will be in time)
[16:54] <infinity> Ahh.  Check.
[16:54] <cjwatson> I sort of feel less urgent about adv-lvm than adv-crypto
[16:54] <infinity> I'll go look at qemu-* instead.
[16:54] <cjwatson> adv-crypto is important on the desktop; adv-lvm very nice to have but I think smaller audience
[16:54] <xnox> infinity: =)))))
[16:54] <cjwatson> I think that's the priority ordering we had anyway
[16:55] <infinity> hallyn: Uhm, yeah, looking at what we're shipping right now, I think moving to a stable release is a no-brainer from the ongoing maintenance perspective.
[16:56] <infinity> hallyn, rsalveti: Approved for both, please upload ASAP.
[16:56] <xnox> cjwatson: the adv-crypto is interesting from security point of view, for example d-i goes to quite extends to prevent leaking passwords. And appart from gtk hide behind asterisks I'm not doing anything special.
[16:56] <xnox> but then again we allow pre-seeding LUKS password and debian doesn't.....
[16:56] <cjwatson> you're putting them straight through to the password type in debconf though, right?
[16:56] <xnox> and pre-seeding is very plain-test =)
[16:56] <cjwatson> yeah, but only logged in debug mode
[16:57] <cjwatson> it might be worth including the red warning we have on the user/password page in debug mode that passwords will show up in the log
[16:58] <cjwatson> or possibly had; I can only find it in the KDE frontend right now ...
[16:58] <xnox> cjwatson: yes, apart from I do not believe I clear them from GtkEntry after doing so, and there is a period of time between entry -> and d-i asking for it and I don't know what's happening during that time. E.g. is gtk fool-proof?
[16:58] <cjwatson> also check the logs in non-debug mode and make sure the password isn't leaked there
[16:58] <cjwatson> I'm not concerned about clearing it from GtkEntry as long as it isn't displayed or logged
[16:58] <xnox> nope, it's not in the logs in != debug
[16:58] <cjwatson> the whole installer runs as root anyway
[16:58] <cjwatson> (well, near enough)
[16:59] <xnox> ok =)
[16:59]  * xnox runs as root apart from reading ~/.config/pangorc *giggles*
[17:01] <phillw> sorry for intruding, but are any of you guys having problem with lp today? (can't upload to ppa's for >8h now)
[17:02] <Laney> #launchpad is probably a better venue for PPA questions
[17:02] <Laney> someone else made a similar complaint there recently
[17:02] <phillw> Laney: the OP has tried, no one about :/
[17:02] <phillw> thanks for you time.
[17:02] <Laney> ping the contacts in the topic
[17:08] <hallyn> infinity: thanks!  pushing
[17:09] <infinity> rsalveti: ^-- You too, I hope.  Flex that new core-dev muscle. ;)
[17:20] <rsalveti> infinity: yup, thanks :-)
[17:23] <cjwatson> ok, so heads-up on another late change: we are preparing a signed version of grub2 for use with secure boot
[17:23] <infinity> \o/
[17:23] <cjwatson> this is a fairly small change on top of the existing packaging at this point, and I'm preparing the upload now
[17:23] <cjwatson> I'll be posting to ubuntu-devel@ a little later about it, and Rick's doing a blog post as well
[17:24] <cjwatson> but thought I was going to need to upload in time for the freeze and thus wanted to keep this channel informed
[17:24] <stgraber> oh, we're going with a signed grub2 instead of a minimal bootloader? (I guess ubuntu-devel post will cover that, I can wait)
[17:29] <dobey> skaet: ping
[17:30] <skaet> Laney,  could you have a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1042343
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042343 in ubuntuone-client/trunk "[FFE] [UIFE] Ubuntu One integration with Q sync indicator" [High,Fix committed]
[17:31] <skaet> ?
[17:31] <skaet> dobey,  ?
[17:31] <Laney> looks fine
[17:31] <dobey> skaet: i was just going to ask about that, in relation to your comment on bug #1053482
[17:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053482 in unity "[FFe] [UIFe] Install indicator-sync by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053482
[17:31] <Laney> they will need another one to include indicator-sync by default
[17:31] <Laney> oh yeah that
[17:32] <dobey> although if the u1 one is 'approved' now, then nevermind. it will suck that we can't have the Recommends: for the sync menu bits, though
[17:33] <Laney> I don't think that one has any UIF implications
[17:33] <Laney> (as the UI isn't exposed)
[17:34] <dobey> well, it will pull a couple packages into the default image
[17:34] <dobey> and isn't really useful if the other piece isn't there
[17:35] <ralsina> dobey: it is sort-of-useful, just not by default. Better than not having it.
[17:37] <dobey> Laney: but is 1042343 approved now then?
[17:37] <Laney> dobey: when can you upload it?
[17:37] <Laney> are all of the new deps in main?
[17:38] <xnox> bug 1042649 uploaded
[17:38] <dobey> yes, the sync indicator is in main already, just not in default install
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042649 in ubiquity "[FFe] [UIFe] Manual Partitioning Crypt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042649
[17:38] <Laney> xnox: you beauty
[17:38] <dobey> i can upload ubuntuone-client within an hour, for sure
[17:38] <Laney> dobey: so, say, today before 2100 UTC
[17:38] <dobey> yes
[17:38] <xnox> Laney: i'm ubiquity and I know it. =)
[17:40] <Laney> dobey: there, done
[17:44] <skaet> Thanks Laney.
[17:44] <Laney> np
[17:45] <dobey> thanks
[17:45] <knome> testing deadline is 12UTC release day, or?
[17:46] <stgraber> there's no such thing as a testing deadline
[17:46] <knome> aha, so 21UTC?: P
[17:46] <xnox> the sign-off?
[17:46] <knome> well, that too
[17:46] <xnox> go/no-go
[17:46]  * xnox thought it was 12UTC
[17:48] <knome> can somebody confirm? :)
[17:48] <knome> skaet?
[17:48] <hallyn> dyslex-chan
[17:50] <skaet> knome,  when you say release day - you mean 12.10 or 12.10 beta 2?
[17:50] <knome> skaet, beta2 this time
[17:52] <skaet> knome,  all testing and documentation in the TechnicalOverview should be done by 1200 UTC on 9/27 - unless unexpected circustances force a VERY late respin,  and then we'll reset the time.
[17:52] <knome> skaet, mhmm, ok, thanks
[17:52] <knome> kind of bad timing, but no can do
[18:16] <dobey> Laney: uploaded
[18:19] <balloons> xnox, so did we respin an images with the ubiquity changes you ffe'd?
[18:20] <stgraber> balloons: it's not fully built and published yet
[18:21] <xnox> what he said =)
[18:23]  * balloons awaits sync
[18:37] <stgraber> highvoltage: can you log out of iso.qa.ubuntu.com, login again and check that you have admin access for the Edubuntu images?
[18:38] <stgraber> I tested on my local instance but with a ton of hacks to try to make it think I was you ;)
[18:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: that you let you mark images for rebuild/disable/ready/removed, have admin access on all results assigned to these builds and enter the admin UI to change product specific settings and manually push new builds
[18:40] <stgraber> s/that you/that should/
[18:40] <highvoltage> ok, the site seems to be a little slow atm
[18:44] <stgraber> highvoltage: should be better now, doing some cleanup on the box, seems like a lot of things are poking at the DB...
[18:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: where would I see those options? at the results?
[18:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: well, first thing you should see is on the SSO page, you should see an edubuntu-release tick box that you need to tick
[18:46] <highvoltage> stgraber: I did
[18:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: then after that, you should see checkboxes on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[18:47] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah yes, I see them
[18:47] <stgraber> highvoltage: you should also have an Administration link in the menu on the left
[18:47] <highvoltage> (I didn't realise they'd be waaaaay at the bottim)
[18:47] <highvoltage> stgraber: yep, I do
[18:48] <highvoltage> and I see the Edubuntu products in there and only them.
[18:48] <stgraber> good
[19:26] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview - is ready for content to start getting added for Beta 2 now.
[19:34] <jbicha> I got a reluctant +1 from translators for bug 1053189 can RT take a look?
[19:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053189 in system-config-printer "UIFE: Rename "Print Settings" to "Printers"" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053189
[19:36] <skaet> jbicha,  will do.   Can you take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/1053578 ?
[19:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053578 in firefox "[FFE] [UIFE] add chromeless mode to Firefox" [Undecided,New]
[19:39] <skaet> jbicha, approved.
[19:43] <jbicha> and I +1'd as well
[19:45] <highvoltage> /win 28
[19:45] <highvoltage> (fffuuuuu)
[20:32] <hggdh> the current image for server arm-omap4 says it is based on the 2012-09-18 packages ("base-installer: Found label 'Ubuntu-Server 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Alpha armhf+omap4 (20120918)'". Is this really what we should expect for today?
[20:40] <skaet> hggdh,  nopen a bug.   It should say beta
[20:44] <Laney> I think we change it to beta next week
[20:45] <Laney> that's OFFICIAL in debian-cd/CONF.sh afaik
[20:45] <Laney> stgraber: confirm/deny
[20:46] <stgraber> Laney: right, will be set to Beta when we start spinning
[20:46] <stgraber> I'm not sure why it was reverted to Alpha though but I remember it being mentioned on IRC by cjwatson, so I guess it's correct ;)
[20:47] <Laney> well, a) we never set it to Beta-1
[20:47] <stgraber> (might make more sense to use Daily between milestones instead of Alpha)
[20:47] <Laney> b) bzr log indicates that it is set such in between betas anyway
[20:49] <infinity> Oh crap.  I'm the Engineer on duty for this beta, aren't I?
[20:49] <infinity> La la la.
[20:49] <balloons> Does anyone know if all the iso's are affected by this? http://launchpad.net/bugs/1053362
[20:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053362 in ubuntu "daily iso: bootloader install failed" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:49] <cjwatson> balloons: it's already fixed
[20:49] <balloons> cjwatson, ty
[20:50] <cjwatson> when I'm not in the pub I'll dup it and stuff
[20:50] <phillw> cjwatson: is it a full respin for all?
[20:50] <Laney> it's not respinning time yet.
[20:51] <phillw> Laney: but best not to attempt testing builds on the iso-tracker until re-spin has taken place?
[20:51]  * infinity might futz with OFFICIAL now, and call the dailies over the weekend Beta-2.
[20:51] <cjwatson> I think call them Beta
[20:51] <infinity> I'm cool with that too.
[20:51] <infinity> Was just looking at what we did in precise.
[20:51] <skaet> +1
[20:51] <cjwatson> Check what we did for precise, but I think that the obvious thing broke Wubi or something.
[20:52] <Laney> yeah, precise was Beta-2
[20:52] <Laney> "Beta 2" broke wubi
[20:52] <infinity> Beta-2 was what we did in precise.
[20:52] <Laney> at least from the log
[20:52] <infinity> Spaces were BAD.
[20:52] <cjwatson> Really?  OK.
[20:52] <Laney> Less IRC more beer
[20:52] <infinity> But I'm cool with just "Beta" as well.  Not that it matter greatly, it's just a hint to testers that they might have the right image.
[20:52] <infinity> Or, vaguely, within a week. :P
[20:54] <infinity> There.  Beta wins.
[20:54] <skaet> thanks infinity. :)
[20:55] <infinity> And now I return to (mostly) ignoring Beta stuff until Monday. :P
[20:55] <Laney> can we haz freeze?
[20:55] <infinity> Laney: I'll freeze the archive later.
[20:55] <infinity> Oh, wait.  It's in 5m, isn't it?
[20:55] <infinity> Fine.  I'll freeze nao.
[20:55] <Laney> you have The Power?
[20:55] <infinity> I does.
[20:55] <infinity> skaet: Did you have a freeze announcement prepped?  (or do we care?)
[20:56] <skaet> infinity,  In the works.    Some of the things that should have been announced a couple of days ago need to be included as well.
[20:56] <infinity> skaet: Right, well.  We're frozen.  HAND.
[20:58] <skaet> infinity,  btw - pad has been prep'd and ready for input earlier
[20:58]  * infinity goes back to arguing with silly compilers in universe.
[21:07] <SpamapS> Could somebody take a look at this upstream changelog and ACK it for a beta freeze exception? Many of these changes were made at our request... http://ceph.com/docs/master/_downloads/v0.48.2argonaut.txt
[21:08] <SpamapS> (we already have 0.48.1 in quantal)
[21:08] <SpamapS> and its all bugfixes so I dont' think its really a "feature freeze" exception
[21:10] <Laney> upload it and get it reviewed in the queue
[21:11] <Laney> worst case it stays until after the freeze lifts
[21:11] <stgraber> SpamapS: upstream changelog looks reasonable. Someone will do a full review once it's in the queue
[21:12] <stgraber> anyway, that thing isn't actually seeded right?
[21:12] <stgraber> I see it as in main because of the supported seed, so not actually affecting beta2
[21:12] <Laney> some libraries are on kubuntu
[21:12]  * stgraber reads seeded-in-ubuntu's output again
[21:13] <stgraber> gah, yeah, missed these two
[21:14] <Laney> anyway, it's the usual hard freeze thing. bug fix releases should just be uploaded and reviewed in the queue
[21:16] <SpamapS> thanks!
[21:16]  * SpamapS goes to upload
[22:24]  * Laney eyes that
[22:27]  * infinity looks at the libunity-webapps dance, and wonders if whoever's doing that is now done...
[22:28] <Laney> good job we had the freeze
[22:28] <infinity> Clearly just in the nick of time.
[22:28] <skaet> infinity, Laney - am in discussions with mterry on them.
[22:30] <infinity> That discussion could totally happen in public, I'm sure. ;)
[22:31] <skaet> infinity,  yeah,  it could.   my bad.
[22:33] <skaet> mostly it was upload the the wrong spot, then accidental delete,  re-upload,  now stable  and needing review, to decide if we can resolve: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1040313
[22:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040313 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] Update WebApps to support Firefox" [High,Confirmed]
[22:34] <skaet> Laney,  if you're still feeling awake enough,  could you take a look through the code and determine if the libunity-webapps is safe enough to go in?
[22:47]  * skaet --> dinner,  back on later
[23:23] <phillw> if there is a -release person who is not too stressed out, could I borrow them for about 2 minutes to explain what http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.quantal/live means in terms of what language packs it is loading, thanks.
[23:30] <xnox> phillw: nothing =) you need to look at the unrollled / parsed output. But it goes something like that: include the en/es/de/fr and if there is enough space try to include more from the second list.
[23:30] <xnox> phillw: but I'm just a trainee with seeds =)
[23:31] <phillw> thanks xnox
[23:32] <phillw> we still trying to work out why the iso's are over sized as most of the ppc people have macs with CD only.
[23:32] <xnox> phillw: please see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.quantal/STRUCTURE to note which bits are included.
[23:33] <xnox> phillw: also I find it is easier to mount the iso / unpack as if preparing for remastering. then you can chroot into it, and see which packages are installed & space it takes.
[23:33] <xnox> and uninstall them & then see again how big it is.
[23:34] <phillw> xnox: thanks a ton, I think that is what the tester was looking for, but I know very little (read zero) about how the iso's are made :)
[23:35] <xnox> phillw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization#Obtain_the_base_system
[23:36] <xnox> debootstrap full working system in a folder, pack it into squashfs, compress, add it to the iso & put stuff around it such that (i) iso boots (ii) loop mounts into that squashfs
[23:37] <infinity> phillw: Moving things from the top list to the bottom list would get them off PPC.
[23:37] <xnox> phillw: the installation is more or less: copy all files from squashfs into partitioned target drive & clean up
[23:37] <infinity> phillw: That said, the PPC ISO isn't oversized.
[23:37] <infinity> phillw: So, I'm a bit confused as to what the complaint is.
[23:37] <xnox> infinity: so both lists are included on != Powerpc
[23:37] <xnox> ?
[23:37] <infinity> xnox: Yes.
[23:38]  * xnox fail
[23:38] <xnox> phillw: sorry if I confused you.
[23:38] <infinity> phillw: The only way the PPC ISO could be "oversized" is if you have people burning CDs on 10-year-old 650MB media.  Can people even buy those anymore?
[23:39] <infinity> phillw: On 700MB media, there should be a ton of space left over.
[23:39] <phillw> infinity: that depends a lot on if you call 1kb 1,000 or 1,024.
[23:39] <infinity> phillw: So, yeah.  Before one goes trying to shrink them, you might want to figure out exactly who thinks 689MB is oversized, and why.
[23:40] <infinity> phillw: It would depend on that if we hadn't already done the math. :P
[23:41] <phillw> infinity: can you just pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic for a couple of minutes, please>
[23:41] <xnox> phillw: what drinks does #lubuntu-offtopic serve? =))))
[23:42] <phillw> xnox: it is where I'm chatting to a PPC tester, I cannot bring him in here to discuss testing as you guys need the channel to get the release ready.
[23:43] <infinity> Apparently, it offers awkward silence.
[23:43] <phillw> infinity: 790769664 Jul 24 19:08 quantal-alternate-powerpc.iso
[23:43] <phillw> that was the A3
[23:43] <infinity> Oh.
[23:43] <infinity> You were talking about live seeds.
[23:43] <infinity> Which has NOTHING to do with alternates.
[23:44] <infinity> So, I was looking at the desktop/live ISO. :P
[23:44] <infinity> Which isn't oversized.
[23:47] <phillw> the tester is on #ubuntu-testing. xnox if you have time, can we have a chat on there. I'm really uncomfortable about chatting about stuff not 100% release related on this channel.
[23:47] <infinity> Chatting seems to have run its course.


[02:07] <hydrian> Ello all
[02:08] <hydrian> got an odd issue.
[02:09] <hydrian> My 16.04.6 server is not applying / keeping my changes to my sysctl parameters I'm setting.
[02:09] <hydrian> I'm trying to disable the netfilter filtering across bridges becuase it mucking up my KVM VMs.
[02:11] <tomreyn> hydrian: so how are you configuring them?
[02:12] <hydrian> tried making a /etc/sysctl.d/60-kvm.conf file
[02:12] <hydrian> After a reboot they didn't apply. I then added them to /etc/sysctl.conf and reboot. Same issue.
[02:13] <hydrian> If I set them manually, they seem to work.
[02:14] <hydrian> My thought is that a service may be changing them.
[02:15] <hydrian> The odd thing is that this issue came out of no where. My kvm setup had been working find for months. Then I rebooted yesterday and it stared having this issue.
[02:16] <hydrian> None of my guest VM can get any networking what-so-ever
[02:16] <hydrian> The ubuntu host is fine.
[02:17] <hydrian> After some research it seems that the issue is the default behaviour of NetFilter is to block all non-explicitly allowed bridge traffic.
[02:18] <tomreyn> which configurations do you have on the file then?
[02:20] <tomreyn> if you're saying a softwares' behaviour changed as part of an in-release update in a way that is not a bugfix, then it should probably be reported as a bug
[02:21] <tomreyn> (if this has not already been done by someone else)
[02:22] <hydrian> I can't figure what the RCA of the sysctl changes not being applied / overwritten are so it a bit vague.
[02:22] <hydrian> I was hoping somebody here may have had a similar issue / story.
[02:24] <hydrian> So I can get a better diagnostics of this issue.
[02:27] <tomreyn> it worked for me last time i tried in sysctl.d/
[02:27] <tomreyn> check file ownership, permissions
[02:27] <hydrian> I did. root:root:644
[02:28] <tomreyn> maybe rgrep for the settings you applied there in /lib/systemd and /etc to get an idea of where else whey may be changed
[02:28] <tomreyn> (keep in mind those settings can be formatted in diffferent ways)
[02:28] <hydrian> I think it may be the ebtables service
[03:05] <hydrian> nope...
[06:09] <NotSoFastJames> is it possible that a breacher may of left a cron job on my server to disable all my defenses?
[06:11] <Gerowen> NotSoFastJames: Anything is possible.  You can view cron jobs with crontab -l
[12:30] <sveinse> Is snapd and lxcfs strictly needed for the health on a 18.04 server?
[12:31] <sveinse> Not that they are spending lots of resources, but I generally don't like keeping unneeded services running
[12:37] <foo> Well that's strange. Using screen. Opening new window. The buffer seems jacked on new screen windows... I have to run reset to get it to work properly. Not sure what kind of weird quirk would cause this.
[12:37] <foo> I wonder if I hit a screen bug or something is borked, must be
[13:35] <blackflow> sveinse: they're needed only if you intend to use them. If it helps, I'm running a bunch of servers in support of a web based saas, none of which use lxcfs or snaps.
[13:53] <RoyK> foo: try tmux ;)
[14:26] <sveinse> blackflow: do you disable them, or do you leave the server as vanilla as possible even thou you don't use it?
[14:52] <blackflow> sveinse: I install from debootstrap (due to root on ZFS on LUKS) and so I don't even add those packages. In fact, I don't even add ubuntu-server, only ubuntu-minimal and whatever I explicitly need
[14:53] <blackflow> and I'll continue debootstrapping even if the installer grows the ZFS functionality, there's too much bloat installed by default for the regular server installation.
[14:55] <sveinse> blackflow: yeah. Its a tradeoff between sticking with standard ubuntu-server vs setting up your own from minimal.
[14:55] <sveinse> I.e. I'm conflicted about it
[14:56] <tomreyn> i think snapd is only really required for gnome on a desktop (no more in 19.04) and for livepatch on a server
[14:57] <tomreyn> if it becomes mandatory on a sevrer, i'll switch to debian
[14:58] <sveinse> tomreyn: it kinda is (that an lxcfs). You can disable it, but its a manual process from the default out of box ubuntu server
[15:07] <blackflow> well there are snaps for server roles, like Postgres for example. I don't like that, as they auto-update at times out of my control.
[15:09] <tomreyn> sveinse: i see. i don't use containers much.
[15:11] <blackflow> tomreyn: or you think you don't :) that's the thing about "containers" on linux, it's such a broad term. for example I don't use docker, lxc, lxd or any of those tools. I do however use containerization facilities of systemd to confine services. The end result is the same, since the same kernel APIs are used - namespaces.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> docker had big breach
[15:22] <tomreyn> blackflow: right, more precisely i should have said: i don't usually use container frameworks which, to date, rely on snapd.
[16:21] <sveinse> (For those of you using ubuntu-server) how do you guys disable snapd?
[16:34] <blackflow> sveinse: stop/disable the snapd.service? you can also just uninstall the `snapd` package
[17:05] <faekjarz> Where can i find a list of keyboard shortcuts in order to send signals to processes in a terminal? (e.g.: Ctrl+c = SIGINT) …in particular, i want to motivate "ping" to produce a summary BUT without terminating.
[17:06] <thefatma> Hey guys is there a way to check if my ubuntu is server or desktop ?
[17:06] <thefatma> but a 100% way
[17:07] <testpil0t> faekjarz,
[17:07] <testpil0t> use "stty -a"
[17:08] <testpil0t> stty -a | grep -oE '(intr|quit|susp) = [^;]+'
[17:13] <faekjarz> testpil0t: that's it! Thanks! :)
[17:23] <faekjarz> thefatma: dpkg --status ubuntu-server
[17:25] <thefatma> faekjarz: but that can be installed on desktop version aswell no? so it's not that valid of a check
[17:27] <faekjarz> well, it's a package (Section: metapackages) and default behaviour seems to be that it's not automatically installed on desktops
[17:32] <faekjarz> "lsb_release -a" doesn't include desktop / server
[17:39] <faekjarz> thefatma: also, you could look for display managers / X servers …but similar situation here; those could be installed on a server as well.
[17:40] <faekjarz> thefatma: maybe, you could also rephrase your question …or play with "dmidecode -t bios" or "...-t baseboard"
[17:41] <testpil0t> but most likely, thee is no 100% way
[17:41] <testpil0t> I dont see how there should be any.
[17:44] <faekjarz> i agree
[17:51] <faekjarz> just a funny thought: Supermicro makes RGB GAMING mobos now, so the "Manufacturer:" string from "dmidecode -t baseboard" wouldn't even be a sure-fire method any more ;D


[00:00] <old_keyboard> lol ofc
[00:00] <aliverius> is it possible that many pcs access the same nfs share withou;side effects?
[00:00] <old_keyboard> but those ntp servers are accurate.
[00:00] <qman__> aliverius, that's sort of the entire point of nfs
[00:01] <aliverius> great cause i need to  share data between a kvm host and guest
[00:09] <old_keyboard> qman__: I just dont understand why ntpd listen at UDP port 123
[00:10] <old_keyboard> to get time (duh)?
[00:10] <old_keyboard> I dont to run it as a server
[00:10] <old_keyboard> dont want
[00:11] <qman__> ntpd serves time on that port
[00:11] <qman__> if you don't want others accessing it, block it in your firewall
[00:11] <old_keyboard> but i dont want to serve
[00:11] <old_keyboard> I did.
[00:12] <old_keyboard> qman__: so I can use my machine as server even that i get that time from other sv?
[00:12] <qman__> that's how ntp works
[00:12] <qman__> you get time from class 2, 3, 4 servers depending on your configuration
[00:13] <qman__> your ntpd then becomes one class above that
[00:13] <old_keyboard> nice :)
[00:14] <old_keyboard> but there should be an option to listen
[00:14] <qman__> and each link in the daisy chain is one class higher, until 16
[00:14] <old_keyboard> :x
[00:14] <qman__> 16 is considered totally unreliable
[00:14] <old_keyboard> to close listen port
[00:14] <old_keyboard> i meant
[00:14] <old_keyboard> yeh
[00:15] <qman__> most people who run ntpd run it to provide network time
[00:15] <qman__> as ntpdate is good enough for 99%
[00:15] <old_keyboard> i run it to get time
[00:15] <old_keyboard> :p
[00:15] <qman__> the other 1% can block it in the firewall
[00:15] <old_keyboard> k
[00:18] <Patrickdk> hmm, the default ntp config doesn't serve time
[00:19] <qman__> IIRC, it doesn't serve time, but it still listens on the port
[00:19] <qman__> and simply rejects any requests
[00:19] <Patrickdk> ya, cause port 123 is much more than just receive/send time
[00:19] <Patrickdk> it's also the control interface and stuff
[00:20] <Patrickdk> if your paranoid about it listening on port 123, use ntpdate
[00:20] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: :D
[00:20] <Patrickdk> just make sure you script it properly
[00:20] <old_keyboard> no im paranoid
[00:20] <old_keyboard> i just block 123 port
[00:20]  * Patrickdk runs a pool server :)
[00:21] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: if default ntp config doesnt act as server there's not secutiry risk then
[00:21] <Patrickdk> I dunno what happened, but been getting flooded with ntp requests from china for the last month
[00:21] <Patrickdk> there is always a security risk
[00:21] <Patrickdk> and it does act as a server
[00:21] <old_keyboard> ddos
[00:21] <Patrickdk> just cause it doesn't respond
[00:21] <Patrickdk> doesn't mean someone won't find a vaunerability
[00:21] <old_keyboard> ok
[00:22] <Patrickdk> it's just the likelyhood is even less
[00:22] <old_keyboard> thanks for clarifying my doubts
[00:23]  * Patrickdk has never been scared though of it
[00:23] <old_keyboard> config shows
[00:23] <old_keyboard> # By default, exchange time with everybody, but don't allow configuration.
[00:24] <Patrickdk> hmm?
[00:24] <old_keyboard> restrict -4 default kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery
[00:24] <old_keyboard> ./etc/ntp.conf
[00:24] <Patrickdk> noquery makes it not let other people request time
[00:24] <old_keyboard> restrict <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:24] <old_keyboard> only at localhsot right
[00:24] <Patrickdk> allow everything on localhost
[00:24] <old_keyboard> oh
[00:25] <old_keyboard> # Local users may interrogate the ntp server more closely.
[00:25] <old_keyboard> and how I do that?
[00:25] <Patrickdk> http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/AccessRestrictions
[00:25] <Patrickdk> you want to allow local access?
[00:25] <old_keyboard> no just get time
[00:25] <Patrickdk> restrict <IP_ADDRESS>/16 default nomodify notrap nopeer
[00:26] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: ok it means that i can access it from subnet
[00:26] <Patrickdk> oh that isn't right
[00:26] <old_keyboard> # If you want to provide time to your local subnet, change the next line. # (Again, the address is an example only.) #broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:26] <Patrickdk> restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nopeer nomodify
[00:26] <Patrickdk> is what I'm using
[00:27] <old_keyboard> 0.0?
[00:27] <Patrickdk> hmm, ya
[00:28] <old_keyboard> should I  disable restrict <IP_ADDRESS> restrict ::1
[00:28] <old_keyboard> ?
[00:28] <old_keyboard> with #
[00:28] <Patrickdk> why?
[00:28] <old_keyboard> i dont want anyone to access it
[00:28] <Patrickdk> you don't trust your own machine it's running on?
[00:28] <old_keyboard> :)
[00:28] <Patrickdk> if you do, ntpq and stuff won't work
[00:28] <old_keyboard> ah k
[00:29] <Patrickdk> you could always password restrict it
[00:29] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: restrict -4 default kod
[00:30] <old_keyboard> -4 is for ipv4?
[00:30] <Patrickdk> ya
[00:30] <old_keyboard> and default and kod?
[00:30] <Patrickdk> kiss of death
[00:30] <Patrickdk> it won't do really anything, without the limit option
[00:30] <Patrickdk> not sure about default :)
[00:30] <Patrickdk> never really use it myself
[00:30] <old_keyboard> default is to listen all adresses maybe
[00:31] <Patrickdk> no
[00:31] <old_keyboard> OH
[00:31] <old_keyboard> By default, exchange time with everybody, but don't allow configuration.
[00:31] <old_keyboard> so if i want to configure need to remove default
[00:31] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: so i just need restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nopeer nomodify
[00:32] <old_keyboard> and to open 123 port in router?
[00:32] <Patrickdk> if your subnet uses 192.160.x.x
[00:32] <old_keyboard> and soft firewall
[00:32] <Patrickdk> 192.168.x.x
[00:32] <old_keyboard> yea
[00:32] <old_keyboard> got it
[00:33] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: and i only want the router
[00:33] <old_keyboard> I put its IP?
[00:33] <Atomhunter> Hey how do you select multiple software packages to install when installing ubu server?
[00:33] <old_keyboard> restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nopeer nomodify
[00:34] <old_keyboard> for example
[00:34] <old_keyboard> ?
[00:36] <Patrickdk> why the odd restrict ip?
[00:37] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: if router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:37] <old_keyboard> I use that IP?
[00:38] <old_keyboard> why did u use 0.0 as example?
[00:38] <old_keyboard> is it like wildcard?
[00:38] <Patrickdk> cause anything that is a 0 in the netmask is pointness to define in the ip
[00:38] <Patrickdk> and lots of programs will bomb out if you do
[00:38] <old_keyboard> bomb out?
[00:38] <Patrickdk> cause mine was *correct* and yours is, odd :)
[00:39] <Patrickdk> crash, syntax error, fail, ...
[00:39] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: i just want the router to access the sv
[00:39] <old_keyboard> so i just put router ip
[00:39] <old_keyboard> is that correct?
[00:39] <Patrickdk> NO
[00:39] <old_keyboard> or i use my local ip
[00:39] <old_keyboard> ?
[00:40] <Patrickdk> NO
[00:40] <old_keyboard> NO
[00:40] <Patrickdk> learn how ip subnets work
[00:40] <old_keyboard> tell me teacher
[00:40] <Patrickdk> google, ip subnet
[00:40] <old_keyboard> :D
[00:41]  * old_keyboard reading in is native language
[00:43] <old_keyboard> Class C
[00:44] <old_keyboard> B in that case
[00:44] <Patrickdk> ignore anything talking about classes
[00:44] <old_keyboard> B 	10 	<IP_ADDRESS> 	<IP_ADDRESS> 	<IP_ADDRESS> 	/16
[00:45] <old_keyboard> it's kinda advanced
[00:48] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: I found this config on a site http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1301185010084+28353475&threadId=1357094
[00:48] <old_keyboard> restrict default ignore restrict <IP_ADDRESS> restrict your.ntp.server
[00:51] <old_keyboard> and in here http://www.debianadmin.com/ntp-server-and-client-configuration-in-debian.html they say to use restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> nomodify notrap
[00:52] <Patrickdk> man, you really can't be bothered to learn what anything does?
[00:52] <Patrickdk> just blindly follow whatever anything tell you to do?
[00:53] <old_keyboard> i am learning
[00:53] <old_keyboard> you say something other ppl say something different
[00:53] <old_keyboard> :)
[00:53] <Patrickdk> I told you exactly what you wanted
[00:54] <Patrickdk> those are generic
[00:54] <Patrickdk> and the first one has nothing to do with anything you want
[00:54] <old_keyboard> ok
[00:54] <old_keyboard> restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nopeer nomodify
[00:54] <Patrickdk> you could remove the nopeer if you want
[00:54] <old_keyboard> gonna get hacked :(
[00:55] <Patrickdk> why?
[00:55] <old_keyboard> what is the nopeer
[00:55] <old_keyboard> option
[00:55] <old_keyboard> no connections?
[00:55] <Patrickdk> you shouldn't allow anyone using a 192.168.x.x network range on your network
[00:55] <Patrickdk> it's for when two ntp servers agree to talk to each other
[00:55] <Patrickdk> they can use each other as clients or servers
[00:55] <old_keyboard> so i remove that I could mess it up
[00:56] <Patrickdk> no
[00:56] <old_keyboard> hm
[00:56] <old_keyboard> ok
[00:56] <Patrickdk> it means another ntp server on your network could become the source of time
[00:56] <Patrickdk> and if that person is screwing with you
[00:56] <Patrickdk> could theoredically cause your server to get bad time
[00:57] <old_keyboard> nice
[00:58] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: and restrict <IP_ADDRESS> is for unlimited access
[00:58] <old_keyboard> ?
[02:00] <Patrickdk> ya
[02:00] <old_keyboard> see i've learned something new today
[02:01] <old_keyboard> then sudo service ntp restart
[02:02] <old_keyboard> Patrickdk: what about the -4 and -6 should I remove it?
[02:02] <Patrickdk> doubt it matters, dunno
[02:02] <old_keyboard> doesnt make a difference since i only use ipv4
[02:02] <Patrickdk> I haven't bothered
[02:02] <old_keyboard> k
[02:03] <Patrickdk> the ORDER in the file matters a LOT though
[02:03] <old_keyboard> k
[02:03] <old_keyboard> i comment out those 2 lines and add restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nomodify
[02:04] <Patrickdk> so now your open to everyone?
[02:04] <old_keyboard> not yet
[02:04] <Patrickdk> well, if you commented out the restrict default lines
[02:04] <old_keyboard> but added restrict <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS> notrap nomodify
[02:04] <Patrickdk> just add the restrict <IP_ADDRESS> line AFTER those
[02:04] <old_keyboard> #restrict -4 default kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery #restrict -6 default kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery
[02:05] <Patrickdk> ya, so now since no one is restricted by default :)
[02:06] <old_keyboard> gonna get hax00red
[02:07] <Patrickdk> or maybe it doesn't
[02:07] <Patrickdk> but that never opened it up for me
[02:07] <Patrickdk> probably have lots of other things going on with my config, cause it's a few hundred lines long
[02:08] <old_keyboard> so im open to my subnet
[02:08] <old_keyboard> and the rest of the world if i forward port in router
[02:08] <old_keyboard> ?
[02:12] <old_keyboard> all the options here http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/accopt.html
[02:35] <shaggy2> hello people. I need assistance with changing the IP addess of my ubuntu server, I have obtained a seet of ip's from my isp and have them running on the network, I just checked the ip of the server and it's still runing the old one, how to I change it?
[02:36] <Atomhunter> that is a google-able question
[02:36] <shaggy2> the current ip is <IP_ADDRESS> and I need to change it to *.*.*.139 (the * rep the puplic ip)
[02:36]  * patdk-lap still doesn't get why people bother hiding ip addresses
[02:36] <patdk-lap> they are *public* knowledge, and of a small enough space to *guess*
[02:37] <shaggy2> so I can't help on this item in the ubuntu-server HELP channel?
[02:37] <old_keyboard> use a VPN
[02:37] <patdk-lap> technically, the answer is simple, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:37] <shaggy2> last time i sent a public ip here I ended up with DOS attacks
[02:37] <patdk-lap> but the question you didn't ask, and can't do much about really is
[02:37] <patdk-lap> you have to change the config of all your programs also
[02:38] <shaggy2> that I can get help from the program website, as it's one master program that changes everything, just wont do the eth ip
[02:38] <patdk-lap> they overloaded your internet connection?
[02:39] <shaggy2> yes
[02:40] <shaggy2> ok it seems that the ip address is obtained automaticly, how do I do a release renew in ubuntu-serer?
[02:40] <shaggy2> the interface is eth1
[02:41] <patdk-lap> you run a server via dhcp?
[02:41] <shaggy2> I set static via the router. but I need to get the ip on the server first
[02:41] <shaggy2> it hasn't failed me yet
[02:42] <Atomhunter> ifconfig -a will show you its address
[02:42] <patdk-lap> does the router have a public ip?
[02:42] <patdk-lap> and it's going route that public ip into the same network your mixing private ip?
[02:42] <patdk-lap> and you have no issue with that?
[02:43] <Atomhunter> i don't know if he realizes the issue....
[02:43] <shaggy2> all devs on my network will be running the public ip addresses
[02:43] <shaggy2> I have firewalls on all systems
[02:44] <Atomhunter> *facepalms hard*
[02:44] <shaggy2> are firewalls not good enough
[02:44] <Atomhunter> no, you want to subnet public from private
[02:45] <shaggy2> how do I do that?
[02:45] <Atomhunter> what type of routers do you have?
[02:45] <shaggy2> netgear
[02:45] <patdk-lap> model numbers :)
[02:45] <shaggy2> dg834g
[02:45] <shaggy2> but it will be changing
[02:45] <Atomhunter> serial numbers...
[02:46] <shaggy2> u need that for?
[02:46] <patdk-lap> oh, home system crap
[02:46] <shaggy2> you cant get the info on the model?
[02:46] <Atomhunter> nvm.... I didn't realize that was model...
[02:46] <Atomhunter> yea... your need more commerical system... I'm using a home system netgear... so wish i could stick a different firmware on it
[02:46] <shaggy2> I can get the serial number if you need it
[02:47] <Atomhunter> no need
[02:47] <shaggy2> ok recomend?
[02:49] <Atomhunter> something you can flash pfsense onto...
[02:52] <Atomhunter> yeah I can't recommend somethign... I'm only a security student atm...
[02:52] <shaggy2> oh ok. sorry guys I am new to this type of networking
[02:53] <Atomhunter> get shoved into a sys admin role?
[02:54] <shaggy2> not really, I am starting a hosting company, so learning on the fly BEFORE I get customers
[02:55] <Atomhunter> ooohhh... erm... whats your computer knowledge?
[02:55] <DrDetroit> shaggy2: how are you connected to your isp? dedicated line?
[02:55] <shaggy2> 2 decicated lines
[02:55] <DrDetroit> ok
[02:56] <DrDetroit> Just configure each machine on your network with a different ip from the range you have been assigned
[02:56] <shaggy2> I have 2 ADSL2+ connections atm, first in line when fiber comes into my town (if your from australia then you'll know what I am on about if not the lookup the Australian NBN)
[02:57] <DrDetroit> haha i live in Arkansas, we just retired the  tin can and string
[02:57] <DrDetroit> I assume you have a router on each line
[02:57] <shaggy2> so on a system that I don't want on the public network, I just set for eg <IP_ADDRESS> on the same subnet as the public systems?
[02:57] <Atomhunter> i live in south dakota... we still have pony express
[02:57] <DrDetroit> router---->main box----->switch---->rest of the boxes
[02:58] <DrDetroit> the main box can do  your firewalls and nat
[02:58] <Atomhunter> *cough* pfsense
[02:58] <DrDetroit> hehe ok
[02:58] <DrDetroit> i will be quiet now
[02:59] <Atomhunter> oh hey... keep going :_
[02:59] <Atomhunter> I was just suggesting using pfsense
[02:59] <shaggy2> both modem are going into a linux box that goes to a router all in the main room, then in my server room trunk cable (5 line) into a switch then into 3 systems and a server
[03:00] <DrDetroit> sounds like you know what your doing, I will be quiet
[03:00] <shaggy2> everything runs from the main modem, the 2nd only kicks on on reduncy
[03:01] <Atomhunter> make sure to test that it'll kick in aka unplug the main, so you don't discover its not working
[03:01] <shaggy2> already done, I do a weekly test
[03:02] <shaggy2> the router after the linux box in the dg834g
[03:02] <DrDetroit> I run my network as i showed above
[03:02] <Atomhunter> i'll be quite now too... look up some linux sys admin/network admin books if you need to look into subnetting and stuff
[03:02] <DrDetroit> my main box has the public ip the rest are private
[03:02] <DrDetroit> main box does firewall, nat, web and mail but mostly just tosses packets around
[03:02] <shaggy2> well thats how I had it before, but had to make changes so I can run a DNS server
[03:02] <Atomhunter> mine is schools network -> crapy router -> switch -> boxes
[03:02] <shaggy2> that is what got me unstuck
[03:02] <DrDetroit> just put the dns server on the main box also
[03:03] <shaggy2> I could view all domians on my network, but the people that was outside couldn't get to see them cause it was directing to local address's
[03:03] <old_keyboard> 123/tcp closed ntp
[03:04] <old_keyboard> shouldn't it respond as open
[03:04] <old_keyboard> ?
[03:04] <DrDetroit> if you are hosting other folks then i would assume you would have those boxes with public ip's also
[03:04] <DrDetroit> so that they can get to them
[03:04] <shaggy2> well I only had 1 pub ip untill today
[03:04] <DrDetroit> still the configuration i gave you will do that too
[03:04] <DrDetroit> nod
[03:05] <shaggy2> so anyways back to changing the ip on the ubuntu server
[03:05] <shaggy2> I can manualy set it
[03:05] <DrDetroit> sure
[03:05] <shaggy2> just need someone to tell me how
[03:05] <patdk-lap> this is much more of an issue than that
[03:06] <patdk-lap> you need to resign your whole network
[03:06] <DrDetroit> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[03:06] <patdk-lap> and I don't think that *router* you have will let you do it
[03:06] <shaggy2> well this is the only thing that "NEEDS Static"
[03:07] <shaggy2> it's allready done, I was on the phone with netgear support for 3 hours having them telling me that it wont do it, and then after 3 hours saying do this and this and this and now it works
[03:07] <DrDetroit> dont forget to make a backup before you edit the file
[03:07] <shaggy2> paid them $89.95 for them to tell me to buy a new mobem, only to then turn around after abusing them then it now works
[03:08] <DrDetroit> my advice is worth what you paid for it
[03:08] <DrDetroit> hehe
[03:08] <DrDetroit> take a look at that artice, it should fix you up
[03:08] <shaggy2> sweet thank you, but how do I make a backup of that file?
[03:09] <Atomhunter> hey how can i see if my raid is mounted or not?
[03:09] <DrDetroit> cp filename filename.original
[03:09] <DrDetroit> also make sure you look at the comment from
[03:10] <DrDetroit> Nickname007 and do that too
[03:10] <KMFrog> could also set static dhcp per mac
[03:10] <DrDetroit> otherwise you wont have any name resolution
[03:10] <DrDetroit> hope that helps
[03:11]  * patdk-lap still wonders how using a static ip inside the nat part of that router will work
[03:16] <KMFrog> shaggy2 you hosting webservers?
[03:19] <DrDetroit> shaggy2: if your changes dont work you can always cp filename.original filename and be back where you started
[03:23] <Atomhunter> formatting my server's 1.5tb raid... zeroing... omg... so much time...
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> What does the automatic generation of /etc/ssl/private/dovecot.pem?
[05:10] <lookin_for_MB> hi
[05:11] <lookin_for_MB> Do you know a good website to search mother board model?
[05:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #683591 in sensors-applet (universe) "sensors-applet randomly picks up duplicates" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683591
[05:17] <lookin_for_MB> hm
[05:35] <jmarsden> tonyyarusso: The postinst maintainer script in the dovecot-common package
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> jmarsden: Ah.  Is there an easy way to re-run it (to change the hostname), or do I have to walk through things manually?  (The primary system hostname is johnmarty.org, but I want Dovecot's certificate for mail.johnmarty.org)
[05:37] <jmarsden> I'm not sure.  Look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/.dovecot-common.postinst and maybe you can copy it somewhere, edit that script to do just the certificate generation, and run your modified copy?
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> seems reasonable
[05:38] <jmarsden> Make that   /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-common.postinst
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> jmarsden: I ended up having to do a bit more than that, but got it now.
[07:42] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743484 in nut (main) "libupsclient.pc contains unresolved symbols" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743484
[09:46] <shaggy2> hello
[09:46] <shaggy2> anyone know anything about frame routes. or where I can get help
[10:08] <shaggy2> Atomhunter: are you there?
[10:09] <DrDetroit> shaggy2: how did changing to a fixed ip go?
[10:10] <shaggy2> not goot
[10:10] <shaggy2> all ips are done
[10:10] <DrDetroit> why?
[10:10] <shaggy2> but my router dun support framed routes
[10:10] <shaggy2> fucken netgear
[10:10] <DrDetroit> ah
[10:10] <shaggy2> lookin for a decent router that will do it, was pointed at cisco
[10:11] <shaggy2> it's a shame
[10:11] <shaggy2> the netgear dg834g has been in use for about 4 years now across heaps of different isp's, and this is the first time it hasn't been able to do something
[10:12] <DrDetroit> sorry to hear that
[10:12] <shaggy2> it is gunna be a sad day to see it go
[10:12] <shaggy2> never missed a beat
[10:13] <air^> no matter how good it was, it's no good once it fails to keep up. :)
[10:13] <shaggy2> had a problem connecting once my ISP said I need a new modem, I said no check everything else first, thats when they found out the my line was pulled from the ADSL socket in the exchange
[10:14] <shaggy2> how dodgy is that
[10:16] <shaggy2> so can anyone recomend a router for me
[10:17] <DrDetroit> cant your isp recommed what you should be using?
[10:18] <air^> shaggy2: so, you'r looking at an adsl modem + router combined?
[10:18] <shaggy2> yeah
[10:18] <air^> I've never liked that combo, rather have a bridged adsl modem than wont messup + standalone router.
[10:19] <shaggy2> dun have to be, I do have a dlink adsl2+ that I can use
[10:19] <air^> currently I use a bridged zyxel + apple's time capsule, howeverm the timecapsule is not that great.
[10:20] <air^> the bridged zyxel on the other hand doesn't fuck up. it just does it's thing. :)
[10:20] <shaggy2> cool
[10:21] <shaggy2> I just need something that supports framed routes... I have never played with this before so it's all new to me
[10:21] <air^> (this is the cheapest basic version of the zyxel adsl modem, just one port in, one out, and in bridged mode, basically all it's features are disabled and can't break)
[10:22] <air^> but I know nothing about framed routes, so can't recommend anything there. :/
[10:22] <shaggy2> lol same with my ISP who sell them
[10:24] <air^> afk. gott go get my house built. :)
[10:24] <shaggy2> lol
[10:24] <air^> seriously.
[10:24] <air^> it ain't gonna build itself. :)
[10:31] <shaggy2> lol
[10:38] <kickar> hey guys, i am having a bit of a problem with apache displaying php errors in browser, I have set my my php.ini varialbles to display errors
[10:56] <lenios> what's the problem kickar ?
[10:56] <kickar> lenios,  hi, I can't get php error message displayed in browser
[10:56] <kickar> if there is an php error i get either plain white screen either
[10:56] <kickar> "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression."
[10:59] <KMFrog> kickar what browser
[11:00] <kickar> KMFrog,  every well know browser
[11:00] <kickar> IE, Mozilla, CHrome
[11:00] <KMFrog> they all say that exact thing?
[11:00] <kickar> yes error 330 Error content decoding failed
[11:01] <kickar> on my gentoo machine displayes mysql conn. error
[11:01] <kickar> i believe it is php/apache related issue
[11:01] <KMFrog> can you wget / telnet it to see the raw output?
[11:02] <kickar> KMFrog,  yes I can
[11:02] <kickar> it says "Warning: mysql_connect(): Unknown MySQL server host 'http' (1) in /var/www/qa-db.php on line 50"
[11:02] <KMFrog> you doing your own compression?
[11:03] <KMFrog> in php
[11:03] <kickar> i have tried to install a cms
[11:04] <kickar> have you seen that before
[11:04] <KMFrog> ah, ok, CMS is maybe trying to do its own gzip compression and its all failing because of the error
[11:04] <KMFrog> you will need to remove the http:// from your config i would guess by that message
[11:04] <KMFrog> if its http://localhost it needs to be localhost
[11:04] <KMFrog> for the db address
[11:05] <kickar> KMFrog,  i am not trying to fix this particular issue, I am trying to get apacge to show
[11:05] <kickar> the error in browser
[11:05] <KMFrog> the CMS probably says its a compressed page, but then the error is in plaintext so the browser dies
[11:07] <kickar> it is the same on the test script that i wrote
[11:08] <kickar> KMFrog,  do you have any idea?
[11:09] <KMFrog> fixing the mysql error
[11:09] <kickar> I mean at all
[11:09] <kickar> check http://otgovorimi.com
[11:09] <kickar> this is the ubuntu server
[11:10] <kickar> this is the gentoo machine
[11:10] <kickar> http://dhwebservices.com/web/
[11:11] <kickar> it is the same script
[11:12] <shauno> oh that's odd.  your first url has something in the first four bytes which kills my browser
[11:13] <kickar> shauno,  they are the same script
[11:13] <kickar> the first is ubuntu server
[11:13] <kickar> the second one is gento
[11:13] <kickar> gentoo*
[11:13] <shauno> the good page starts ef bb bf  .. and then into the html.  the bad one has an extra byte, ef bb bf 0a ...
[11:14] <kickar> shauno,  maybe I have miskaten something in php / apache configuration
[11:15] <kickar> KMFrog,  welcome back
[11:15] <KMFrog> srry, client died -_-
[11:15] <kickar> did you get my last 2 lines ?
[11:15] <kickar> ubuntu server: http://otgovorimi.com
[11:15] <kickar> genoo server: http://dhwebservices.com/web/
[11:15] <kickar> the same script
[11:15] <kickar> the same error
[11:15] <shauno> oh, 0a's just a linefeed.  I've no idea why that's making any difference
[11:16] <kickar> maybe apache conf?
[11:18] <KMFrog> kickar I would say its a case of the CMS not handling errors very well, if you fix the error it will probably work
[11:18] <KMFrog> what cms is it
[11:18] <kickar> KMFrog,  the same with WP, Joomla, and so on
[11:18] <kickar> it is some free q&a cms
[11:19] <kickar> just for testing
[11:19] <kickar> my goal is not to fix this particular error, but to fix apache
[11:19] <KMFrog> apache is probably ok
[11:19] <KMFrog> it looks like php issues
[11:21] <kickar> maybe i have missed a module
[11:21] <lenios> kickar, try to do a test page in php and see if errors are displayed
[11:21] <kickar> what php modules I should install to have a good production enviroument
[11:22] <KMFrog> good test page:   <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[11:22] <KMFrog> anyname.php
[11:22] <lenios> error page: <?php echo 'test'.'not ended; ?>
[11:23] <lenios> i might have a syntax error besides the missing quote
[11:24] <kickar> http://otgovorimi.com/info.php
[11:24] <KMFrog> works fine
[11:25] <kickar> http://otgovorimi.com/error.php
[11:25] <kickar> displays the error fine now
[11:25] <KMFrog> makes me think again that CMS is not dealing with errors very well
[11:25] <lenios> cms related, yes
[11:26] <kickar> KMFrog,  but what about the other url?
[11:26] <kickar> the are both the same script on different systems set the same way
[11:26] <KMFrog> kickar if error.php is <?php echo 'test'.'not ended; ?>  .. then its normal it wont work :p
[11:27] <kickar> i mean about
[11:27] <kickar> for example i have set up a wp here
[11:27] <lenios> can you give phpinfo(); for both servers?
[11:27] <kickar> just a second
[11:29] <ikonia> kickar: have you asked the guys in #wordpress as I suggested
[11:29] <ikonia> kickar: you seem to be repeating the same question as in #ubuntu
[11:29] <kickar> ikonia,  just looking for an answer
[11:29] <kickar> i have asked in #php as well
[11:29] <ikonia> kickar: did you ask the guys in #wordpress who I told you HAD the answer and explained it to me
[11:30] <kickar> ikonia,  their solution is adding a ling in .htaccess to show error, but this is not going to fix my entire server
[11:30] <kickar> http://dhwebservices.com/info.php
[11:30] <kickar> lenios, here is the gentoo one
[11:30] <lenios> maybe it's just not your server
[11:30] <KMFrog> was the .htaccess line to disable gzip?
[11:31] <ikonia> lenios: it's not a server issue
[11:31] <kickar> lenios,  i have had the same issue with WHMCS, Joomla!, Wordpress etc.
[11:31] <ikonia> my RHEL and Fedora machines to it too, it's how PHP clasifies errors
[11:31] <ikonia> the guys in ##php should be able to explain this, and the guys in #wordpress explained this to me approx 2 days ago
[11:32] <lenios> my error test page is displayed as expected, anyway
[11:32] <ikonia> the settings in the php.ini need to be set a certain way, it's not just enabling logging and restarting
[11:32] <kickar> ikonia,  thet gave me that link now:  http://codex.wordpress.org/User:Sivel/FAQ
[11:32] <kickar> they*
[11:32] <kickar> and it is not a bit of a help
[11:33] <kickar> ikonia,  can you do me a favor and pastebin me you php.ini  file?
[11:33] <ikonia> kickar: why ?
[11:33] <kickar> so i can compare mine to yours
[11:33] <ikonia> why ? mines not got logging enabled
[11:34] <kickar> ok
[11:34] <ikonia> pastebin yours, we can look over it
[11:35] <kickar> http://gist.github.com/889114
[11:35] <ikonia> kickar: this is ubuntu 10.04 ?
[11:36] <jkgeyti> Any idea why I only see ./powerbtn in /etc/acpi/event in ubuntu server 10.04 ? I want to to run a script on power change.
[11:36] <kickar> 10.10
[11:38] <ikonia> kickar: why did you set the error_reporting = -1
[11:39] <kickar> ikonia,  -1 should be everythinh
[11:39] <ikonia> really, I thought that was nothing ?
[11:39] <ikonia> I know mine didn't use -1
[11:40] <kickar> ok, now is : E_ALL | E_STRICT
[11:40] <kickar> the same
[11:41] <ikonia> I didn't change that
[11:41] <kickar> do you remember what did you change,  or maybe point me to some reading
[11:46] <aliverius> $ sudo mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdb
[11:46] <aliverius> mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdb: Device or resource busy
[11:46] <aliverius> how do i remove this from my raid 1 array?
[11:47] <aliverius> i erroneusly made the whole /dev/sdb a mirror while i should have made just one partition
[11:52] <ikonia> aliverius: is it still building the array
[11:52] <aliverius> no
[11:52] <ikonia> kickar: I don't remember, I got the info from #wordpress guys
[11:53] <aliverius> ikonia: i marked it as faulty
[11:53] <ikonia> aliverius: but is the build/sync process totally complete ?
[11:53] <aliverius> and it still doesnt remove
[11:54] <aliverius> how do i unmark it faulty?
[11:54] <ikonia> aliverius: you have to remove and hot add
[11:54] <ikonia> marking it as faulty should have removed it though
[11:54] <aliverius> how do i unmark it?
[11:54] <ikonia> you don't
[11:54] <ikonia> you need to remove and re-add it
[11:54] <aliverius> both drives?!
[11:55] <ikonia> no, the one you have marked as faulty
[11:55] <ikonia> and I don't mean physially remove it
[11:55]  * aliverius fears he will render the 1st disk non bootable
[11:55] <ikonia> remove it from the array
[11:55] <aliverius> sudo mdadm -f /dev/md0
[11:56] <aliverius> i marked all the array faulty :(
[11:56] <ikonia> ooh, you marked the array, not the disk
[11:56] <aliverius> i mucked up right?
[11:56] <ikonia> well, it's not the end of the world
[11:57] <aliverius> please help me
[11:57] <ikonia> can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/mdstad please
[11:57] <ikonia> can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/mdstat please
[11:58] <aliverius> http://pastebin.com/FNXwnyuM
[11:58] <ikonia> aliverius: great, no problems, was it disk sdb you wanted to remove ?
[12:00] <aliverius> yes
[12:00] <aliverius> shall i mark that as faulty?
[12:00] <ikonia> yes, mdadm -f /dev/sdb
[12:00] <aliverius> $ sudo mdadm -f
[12:00] <aliverius> mdadm: an md device must be given in this mode
[12:01] <aliverius> this is what made me mark the whole array
[12:01] <aliverius> ok lets do as you said
[12:01] <ikonia> aliverius: mdadm /dev/md0 -f /dev/sdb
[12:01] <ikonia> you don't want to fail the whole array, just the one disk
[12:02] <aliverius> mdadm: hot removed /dev/sdb
[12:02] <aliverius> ty ikonia
[12:02] <ikonia> there we go
[12:02] <aliverius> now i can partition it and make it like the first disk
[12:02] <aliverius> :))
[12:02] <ikonia> excellent
[12:11] <aliverius> but how do i partition it exactly as the first disk?
[12:11] <aliverius> when i built the array
[12:12] <aliverius> i thought it would use part of sdb not the whole sdb...
[12:13] <ikonia> aliverius: just make a partition the same size as the one you want to mirror
[12:13] <ikonia> be aware though that you may have performance issues if you've using part of a disk for a mirror and part for something else
[12:13] <ikonia> mirroring is normally done disk/disk mirroring partitions like for like
[12:13] <aliverius> really? nobody ever told me
[12:13] <ikonia> not a partition on a disk for mirroring and a partition for something else
[12:14] <aliverius> but ok
[12:14] <aliverius> it may boot a bit slower and that's all
[12:14] <aliverius> i need to mirror only 700G
[12:14] <aliverius> the other 2x1.3G are precious
[12:14] <aliverius> as space
[12:15] <aliverius> not the data inside them
[12:15] <ikonia> no
[12:15] <ikonia> general performance may suffer
[12:15]  * aliverius is wondering if he will be able to run the server headless forever
[12:15] <aliverius> :(
[12:15] <aliverius> anyway, i cant do otherwise now
[12:15] <ikonia> it won't be "that" bad
[12:16] <ikonia> I don't mean your machine will grind to a halt
[12:24] <aliverius> i will have to logout
[12:24] <aliverius> so, bb and thanks ikonia
[15:27] <peta> hello guys
[15:43] <hardwired> how do I enable and disable a daemon at boot? e.g. smdb. I am confused by all those possibilities with upstart, update-rc, runlevels
[15:43] <hardwired> seems unnecessarily complex.
[15:45] <lenios_> hardwired, it depends on the daemon
[15:46] <hardwired> lenios: OK, what are the possibilities, and how can I identify which daemon uses which method?
[15:46] <hardwired> and... why does it depend on the daemon? can't there be one single way for all daemons?
[15:49] <hardwired> do I edit files in /etc/init/ ? won't they get overwritten at the next upgrade?
[15:51] <iceflatline> sysv-rc-conf
[15:52] <hardwired> iceflatline: thanks, I'll check that out.
[15:53] <hardwired> iceflatline: this doesn't show smdb, yet it is started at boot.
[15:54] <hardwired> iceflatline: and it has no markers for cron, yet cron is started at boot.
[15:55] <hardwired> iceflatline: oh wait, it has smbd.
[15:56] <hardwired> iceflatline: but no marker for cron.
[15:58] <hardwired> aha;
[15:58] <hardwired> CAVEATS
[15:58] <hardwired>        sysv-rc-conf only manages the symlinks in the "rc{runlevel}.d" directories. It's possible that packages may have
[15:58] <hardwired>        other ways of being disabled or enabled.
[15:59] <iceflatline> I think cron is started in user space but I don't recall.
[16:00] <hardwired> what do you mean started in userspace?
[16:00] <hardwired> of course cron runs in userspace and not in the kernel
[16:00] <hardwired> I think I got the rc stuff covered with that sysv-cr-conf, thanks!
[16:01] <hardwired> now I need to fugure out the other half, the upstart stuff.
[16:02] <hardwired> initctl list gives a nice list of what is running
[16:04] <qman__> sysv-rc-conf will only work on sysv scripts, not upstart ones
[16:04] <qman__> AFAIK there is no simple, easy way to manage upstart scripts, you must edit them manually
[16:05] <hardwired> qman__: I think i just found one:
[16:05] <fefwerf> Hello all
[16:05] <hardwired> With newer versions of Upstart, you can make use of override files and the manual stanza to achieve the same result in a simpler manner:   echo "manual" >> /etc/init/myjob.override
[16:06] <fefwerf> Does someone know a good tutorial on setting up Dovecot+Postfix+SASL+LDAP on a recent Ubuntu sever?
[16:06] <fefwerf> I seem to be unable to do it despie an overkill of information
[16:06] <fefwerf> i need some virtual users
[16:06] <qman__> fefwerf, that's covered in the server guide
[16:07] <hardwired> fefwerf: I suggest you find some preconfigured config files and use them as a base for your system
[16:07] <fefwerf> qman__ looking at the right as we speak
[16:07] <hardwired> fefwerf: that's what I did with dovecot+exim+postgres
[16:07] <qman__> it's under postfix
[16:07] <qman__> it covers SASL and postfix+dovecot
[16:08] <fefwerf> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html did not work. Should I just install the postfix-dovecot package an add on LDAP&virtual users?
[16:08] <qman__> what do you mean by "did not work"?
[16:09] <fefwerf> postfix/smtpd[4657]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[16:09] <fefwerf> I don't understand
[16:09] <fefwerf> do I have to activate SASL somewhere, Dovecot and Postfix are running
[16:10] <qman__> did you do the configuration in dovecot, and restart dovecot?
[16:10] <fefwerf> ye
[16:10] <fefwerf> Sorry i just checked,  dovecot-auth is NOT running
[16:11] <fefwerf> I will try to fix that
[16:11] <qman__> eh, that guide needs updating
[16:11] <qman__> it uses /etc/init.d to restart services
[16:12] <fefwerf> auth-worker(default): Killed with signal 15 (by pid=1 uid=0 code=kill)
[16:13] <shauno> I did postfix/dovecot/sasl with that guide a couple of months ago.  I don't remember stumbling across anything that got in my way
[16:13] <fefwerf> looks like somehow my dovecot is not configured right, I'll look into it
[16:13] <fefwerf> dovecot main process (5061) terminated with status 89
[16:15] <hardwired> qman__> it uses /etc/init.d to restart services
[16:15] <hardwired> ha!
[16:15] <hardwired> the transission to upstart is a mess :-)
[16:15] <qman__> yeah
[16:15] <qman__> really not a fan of upstart
[16:15] <hardwired> what they should have done is look at the NetBSD rc.d system
[16:16] <hardwired> it is so simple and effective
[16:16] <qman__> systemd is pretty brilliant too
[16:16] <fefwerf> Sorry hardwired&qman___ looks like I broke my dovecot.conf, will correct and try again
[16:17] <hardwired> yep. the rc.d lacks parallel startup. that's a big drawback these days
[16:17] <hardwired> fefwerf:  not need to apologize :-)
[16:17] <fefwerf> I think parallel startup is no big issue for most servers
[16:18] <fefwerf> But what do I know ;)
[16:26] <hardwired> very true
[16:26] <hardwired> my upstart is not recent enough for the above-mentioned method to work
[16:27] <fefwerf> OK fixed my dovecot.conf, looks like Postfix can use SASL now
[16:28] <fefwerf> Now i need to add on LDAP&Virtual users
[16:39] <fefwerf> I want a combination of local system users and virtual LDAP users for my Dovecot-Postfix setup
[16:39] <fefwerf> how should I do that?
[16:41] <fefwerf> is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto a good starting point?
[16:44] <hardwired> laters
[18:16] <wout-lnx> Hallyn???
[18:16] <wout-lnx> You awake?
[18:20] <dku> I created an Upstart service, but it is unable to start for some reason, while if I run the same command I pass to exec from the command line, it works fine. How can I debug this?
[18:20] <dku> (by unable to start, I mean the service immediately terminates)
[18:40] <elnur> There was a way to restrict a user to his home dir by typing a special home dir in /etc/passwd. I can't remember it. Could anyone remind me of it?
[18:40] <elnur> There was an additional character to prepend/append to home dir in /etc/passwd
[18:46] <zul> hallyn: i got a box that can amd qemu-kvm now fyi
[19:08] <aliverius> ikonia: are you there?
[19:17] <ikonia> aliverius: yes
[19:20] <aliverius> ikonia: i partitioned the second disk with exactly the same size
[19:20] <aliverius> do i proceed normally?
[19:20] <ikonia> yup
[19:23] <aliverius> sudo mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sdb4
[19:23] <aliverius> ?
[19:23] <ikonia> depends on your partion layout and raid type
[19:23] <ikonia> read up on the options this time
[19:23] <aliverius> raid 1 and the partition will be sdb4
[19:24] <aliverius> i am browsing the man pages but still i am not confident
[19:24] <ikonia> what is not clear to you ?
[19:24] <aliverius> if that is the correct syntax
[19:24] <ikonia> what makes you think it's not
[19:25] <aliverius> the fact the man page doesnt make it clear
[19:25] <aliverius> but from my experience it should be the right one
[19:26] <ikonia> ok, what are you worried is not right
[19:26] <ikonia> and what part does the man page not make clear ?
[19:26] <ikonia> (trying to get you confident in what you're doing)
[19:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743763 in exim4 (main) "package exim4-config (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743763
[19:32] <aliverius> ikonia: nothing is unclear, maybe i wanted to have an example command, just to be sure
[19:32] <aliverius> but oh
[19:32] <aliverius> mdadm [mode] <raiddevice> [options] <component-devices>
[19:32] <aliverius> beggining of the man page :p
[19:32] <aliverius> ok now i am sure
[19:32] <aliverius> lets build the array!
[19:33] <aliverius> mdadm: /dev/sdb4 not large enough to join array
[19:33] <aliverius> oooops
[19:35] <aliverius> http://pastebin.com/rghs01j4  <--- /dev/sdx4 are the two partitions that would become an array
[19:36] <aliverius> is it ok if i give the second disk partitio a few megabytes more?
[19:36] <ikonia> sure
[19:37] <aliverius> isnt it strange since the blocks are exactly the same?
[19:40] <ikonia> aliverius: the disks aren't
[19:41] <aliverius> no they are
[19:41] <aliverius> both same model
[19:43] <ikonia> that's odd
[19:43] <ikonia> not uncommon though
[19:50] <aliverius> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/XAgdjStA :)
[19:50] <aliverius> afterwards is there anything more to do?
[19:50] <ikonia> nothing more
[19:50] <ikonia> aliverius: great news, nice job.
[19:51] <ikonia> sit back and enjoy
[19:51] <aliverius> thanks a lot
[19:51] <aliverius> i dont see you in lfs
[19:51] <aliverius> got bored of it?
[19:59] <centHOGG> hi, anybody here install server on a USB stick?
[20:01] <ikonia> you can do that, but very frew people would
[20:01]  * centHOGG server NAS
[20:01] <centHOGG> yeah
[20:01] <centHOGG> ever seen freeNAS?
[20:01] <centHOGG> runs off a USB stick
[20:01] <centHOGG> for boot
[20:03] <ikonia> don't want to run a nas of usb
[20:04] <centHOGG> actually freenas is pretty clever.. just too much FS overhead
[20:50] <xperia> hello to all. i have heavy prolems here with ubuntu server i installed just yesterday
[20:51] <xperia> problem is the hybrid disk that i use inside that server
[20:51] <xperia> after the installement of ubuntu everything worked like it should
[20:51] <xperia> but then after several reboots ubuntu wanted check the disk with fscheck
[20:51] <xperia> here it stuck now
[20:52] <xperia> somehow ubuntu crashes full when it try to fscheck the hybrid disk
[20:52] <xperia> before it worked everything all fine but this fscheck breaks now everyting
[20:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743821 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743821
[20:59] <xperia> is anybody here to help me ?
[21:04] <centHOGG> whaz wrong
[21:04] <guntbert> xperia: not that I'm not willing to help, but alas I have no idea hwat a hybrid disk might be
[21:04] <centHOGG> ditto
[21:04] <guntbert> *what
[21:17] <thesheff17> xperia: I don't know much about the hybrid disks..I'm running a Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 32 MB Cache 2.5 Inch Solid State Hybrid Drive ST95005620AS-Bare Drive Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 32 MB Cache 2.5 Inch Solid State Hybrid Drive ST95005620AS-Bare Drive with no problems on an 64 bit 10.04 Desktop version.
[21:18] <centHOGG> kewl
[21:19] <thesheff17> xperia: I would test for the drive being bad. Then try to re install ubuntu..did try different kernel version during boot?
[21:37] <xperia> thesheff17: i have the exact harddisk here is it a Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 32 MB Cache 2.5 Inch Solid State Hybrid Drive
[21:38] <thesheff17> xperia: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:38] <xperia> i am using it on the newest ubuntu server natty alpha 3 release
[21:38] <xperia> it boot all fine till fscheck
[21:38] <xperia> but then it crash full
[21:38] <xperia> screen goes off and nothing happen
[21:39] <thesheff17> xperia: try 10.10 or even 10.04 which is an LTS...why alpha?
[21:39] <centHOGG> LTS
[21:39] <thesheff17> LTS = long term support
[21:39]  * centHOGG concur
[21:40] <xperia> thesheff thanks for tip
[21:40] <storz> Hey everyone.  I have a question about dovecot.
[21:40] <xperia> looking just right now if disk is good
[21:40] <storz> When postfix saves an email, it saves it into /home/vmail/domain/user/new (or cur or tmp).
[21:40] <storz> But when I try to access it via imap, dovecot goes to /home/vmail/domain/user/Maildir/new (or cur or tmp).
[21:40] <storz>  How do I correct this?  In dovecot.conf, it is set to: mail_location = maildir:/home/vmail/%d/%n
[21:45] <xperia> storz this is more a postfix / doecot question
[21:45] <xperia> normally all the info configuring this software is availble on the net
[21:45] <xperia> if you dont have luck possibility is to ask in the chanels of postfix and dovecot
[21:46] <storz> xperia.  Thanks. I know.  I was just hoping that one of you have run into this before.  Figured it'd be a bit quicker.
[21:55] <Al-Bundy> what is the command to configure network on Ubuntu server?
[21:55] <guntbert> Al-Bundy: see https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[21:57] <aliverius> lets say i decide to boot my raid 1 without one disk
[21:57] <aliverius> then i reboot woth both disks connected
[21:58] <aliverius> what happens? does it sync automatically to the newst disk?
[22:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743858 in openssh (main) "sshd not appending to /var/log/btmp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743858
[22:12] <xperia> thesheff17: i booted the server now with a live cd. maked a fsck on the disk and ubuntu server load all fine now
[22:13] <xperia> after the reboot
[22:13] <xperia> looks like a problem with fsck in ubuntu natty alpha 3
[22:13] <xperia> okay have to do see you all next time bye
[22:44] <aliverius> ikonia: you there? i made some questions above
[22:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743883 in samba (main) "cannot load packages.  Broken packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743883
[23:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743920 in tftp-hpa (main) "package tftpd-hpa 0.49-1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743920


[23:32] <Wafficus> wxl: Hey there, downloading the .run file for that qt package
[23:32] <Wafficus> http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/5.11/5.11.2/
[23:33] <Wafficus> the guide calls for a .tar file though, not sure why cause they don't have any listed for the Linux section
[23:33] <wxl> they probably switched
[23:33] <wxl> tars are compressed files.. so are 7zs
[23:35] <Wafficus> ah true
[23:36] <Wafficus> 7zs i'm familiar with cause of 7zip
[23:36] <Wafficus> cool, so .run works like a Windows .exe right?
[23:36] <Wafficus> just double click and i'll be good?
[23:37] <Wafficus> or rather
[23:37] <Wafficus> where should I store that said program. Like in Linux, where should I store the programs I want to install if I do this method?
[23:37] <Wafficus> in the /bin folder right?
[23:37] <wxl> start by downloading it
[23:37] <wxl> then you can inspect it
[23:38] <Wafficus> yep almost done downloading
[23:39] <Wafficus> btw, should I also download MySQL?
[23:39] <Wafficus> do you do that with qt for this type of work? I ask cause the guide is asking to also possibly install ibmysqld-dev
[23:40] <Wafficus> libmysqld-dev
[23:40] <wxl> not sure why
[23:41] <Wafficus> so I got that .run file
[23:41] <Wafficus> I tried double clicking it, and its asking which program to use to run it
[23:41] <wxl> run `file /path/to/file`
[23:42] <Wafficus> ah so if its on my desktop:
[23:42] <Wafficus> run (.run file) /home/sbpc/Desktop/(.runfile)
[23:42] <wxl> um
[23:42] <wxl> no
[23:43] <wxl> 1. open a terminal
[23:43] <wxl> 2. type this:
[23:43] <wxl>    file $HOME/Desktop/*.run
[23:43] <wxl> 3. hit enter
[23:44] <Wafficus> ibmysqld-dev
[23:45] <Wafficus> sbpc@sbpc:~/Desktop$ file qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run
[23:45] <Wafficus> qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=75f78826207d25aa58a59ccef21ff54d1fe388b0, not stripped
[23:45] <Wafficus> y
[23:45] <wxl> right
[23:45] <wxl> so that tells you the answer to your question
[23:45] <wxl> it's an executable/binary/compiled file
[23:45] <wxl> it's not a shell script, so it's not quite as easy to see what it's doing
[23:45] <wxl> but suffice it to say all you need to do is execute it
[23:45] <Wafficus> ah so, basically
[23:45] <wxl> you should just be able to do the following in terminal:
[23:46] <wxl> /path/to/file
[23:46] <wxl> or in your case:
[23:46] <wxl> $HOME/Desktop/qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run
[23:46] <wxl> or if you're already in $HOME/Desktop:
[23:46] <wxl> ./qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run
[23:48] <Wafficus> it said command not found
[23:48] <Wafficus> and i'm in the same directory
[23:48] <Wafficus> weird
[23:48] <wxl> qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run WILL NOT work
[23:48] <wxl> ./qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run WILL work
[23:48] <wxl> note the difference
[23:48] <Wafficus> sbpc@sbpc:~/Desktop$ file qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run
[23:48] <Wafficus> qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=75f78826207d25aa58a59ccef21ff54d1fe388b0, not stripped
[23:48] <Wafficus> wrong paste
[23:48] <Wafficus> sorry
[23:49] <Wafficus> sbpc@sbpc:~/Desktop$ sudo ./qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run
[23:49] <Wafficus> [sudo] password for sbpc:
[23:49] <Wafficus> sudo: ./qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.11.2.run: command not found
[23:49] <wxl> well maybe that's not the name of the file?
[23:50] <Wafficus> whats weird is that it won't even do the autocompleter with the tab character
[23:50] <Wafficus> like normally with some files you can just type "qt-open" and hit tab and it'll autocompleter
[23:50] <Wafficus> *autocompleter
 When you atre typing out a file path you can hit tab and it will complete the directory that starts with what you are typing. It makes things go faster too.
[23:51] <Wafficus> yup, I know that
[23:51] <Wafficus> that's what's weird about this
[23:51] <wxl> what if you don't sudo?
 Does ls show the file? Thre is always copy past ;)
[23:52] <Wafficus> it says permission denied
[23:52] <wxl> try `chmod +x /path/to/file`
[23:53] <Wafficus> yeah I tried that too
[23:54] <Wafficus> still won't run the command
[23:54] <wxl> try using the full path. i don't know. that's insane
 wxl there has been a lot of that lately...
[23:55] <wxl> i can tell you if there's no +x on the file, you will get permission denied from a normal user and command not found from a sudo
[23:55] <wxl> chmod +x fixes both
[23:55] <Wafficus> should i leave this terminal and restart a new one?
[23:55] <wxl> nope
[23:56] <Wafficus> I just have tmux running ontop of cool-retro-term
[23:56] <Wafficus> I tried with LxTerminal too though, still no dice
[23:56] <Wafficus> maybe I should just create an alias to the existing qt I installed via the package manager?
[23:56] <wxl> this is not a terminal problem
[23:56] <Wafficus> I know its in some weird program directory
[23:57] <Wafficus> hold on
[23:57] <Wafficus> I found the .tar file in the "single" directory on that download page
[23:57] <Wafficus> i'll try following the guide with the .tar file instead
[23:58] <Wafficus> .7z file I mean
[23:58] <wxl> yeah i don't know. if you can't execute files, that's a more fundamental problem
[23:58] <Wafficus> don't get me wrong, I wanna learn
[23:59] <Wafficus> oh wait, you mean my system right?
[23:59] <wxl> yeah
[23:59] <Wafficus> it is an old laptop running Lubuntu I guess
[23:59] <wxl> you should EASILY be able to do the execution as discussed above
[23:59] <wxl> nothing to do with age or any other factor should really have any impact
[23:59] <Wafficus> gotcha


[16:33] <dpm> hi chrisccoulson, I know you uploaded the FF .desktop file translations, but were the ones for thunderbird in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop also uploaded?
[16:35] <dpm> fta, could you upload the new translations for the chromium .desktop entry on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ChromiumDesktop?
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> dpm - i've not uploaded the thunderbird translations in a while. the only reason i did the firefox ones is because we added the static quicklist entry :)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> i guess we can update those in a point release though
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> dpm - you're probably interested in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance btw
[16:56] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: any plans to get some quicklist entries in for TB?  :D
[16:57] <m_conley> Compose/Contacts are tops on my list.
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yes, but not just yet. the firefox quicklist entry is just "Open a New Window", which we only added to fix a common complaint with the launcher
[16:57] <m_conley> gotcha
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> (ie, people want to be able to open more than one window"
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> )
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[17:04]  * m_conley ndos
[17:04] <m_conley> er
[17:04]  * m_conley nods
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, i assume there's still no update on the bafm/webapp bug, right?
[21:11] <jcastro> waiting on him to finish school basically
[21:11] <fta> so we are doomed for this cycle?
[21:11] <jcastro> he's like in exams and stuff
[21:11] <jcastro> nah, when I ran the idea by release team they said it wasn't a new feature
[21:11] <jcastro> so we can SRU it
[21:11] <jcastro> since it's a regression from 10.10
[21:11] <fta> ok, good
[21:15] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:17] <fta> ola
[21:17] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:24] <fta> chrisccoulson, want my .xsession-errors ? ;)
[22:24] <fta> just restarted fully upgraded, already 169 lines
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> fta - is there anything that appears frequently in it?
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to clean the biggest spammers ;)
[22:27] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/596704/
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> fta - bug 767642 is some of those
[22:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 767642 in unity "unity is spamming ~/.xsession-errors when windows are closed" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767642
[22:30] <fta> chrisccoulson, from my previous log, xchat "DEBUG: INDICATOR" is frequent, but compiz is the worst
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, compiz is pretty bad. we should really find somewhere else to spew debug information (or just turn it off)
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> but i'm trying to fix the most frequent warnings/criticals first, just in case they are real issues
[22:31] <fta> more generally, i'd like those logs to have a timestamp
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> i already fixed one in xchat-gnome today which filled up my log quite a lot
[22:32] <fta> i use xchat :P
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> heh