[00:20] <dsmythies> We have brief single getting started pages for Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Serverguide. Is there anything similar for Xubuntu? If yes, please give a link.
[00:24] <pleia2> dsmythies: there is not, closest thing we have is http://xubuntu.org/contribute/support_documentation/
[00:31] <dsmythies> pleia2: Thanks. Ya, I did see that page while looking around. My challenge is the Repository page, where I am basically deleting most of it, but then that leaves xubuntu without BZR setup instructions.
[00:32]  * pleia2 nods
[00:32] <pleia2> we're very similar to server now since we use docbook
[00:33] <dsmythies> leaving the stuff on repositiry is redundent  for desktop and serverguide. Hmmm... what to do.
[00:34] <dsmythies> I'll come back to it, busy killing most of task page at the moment.
[01:18] <godbyk> dsmythies: I wonder if those tasks were ever completed. ;-)
[03:29] <dsmythies> godbyk: I don't know. That list was very old.
[03:29] <godbyk> dsmythies: Yeah, it was ancient.
[03:33] <dsmythies> godbyk: I'm not trying to make the pages perfect and such. My objective is really to make them less wrong. Erroring on the side of deleting more then less.
[03:33] <godbyk> dsmythies: I'm happy with all the work you've been doing on the wiki so far and am in complete agreement.
[03:34] <godbyk> There's a ton of cruft on the docs team wiki and I'm glad to see it's getting cleaned up.
[03:35] <dsmythies> godbyk: Thanks for that. I'll ask the list to review soon, via reply to KI&MT's e-mail.
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: Follow up from yesterday, where I got over zealous deleting stuff from the Repository page.
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: I would like to take sections 3, 4, and 5 out of the Desktop getting started page and move it to the Repository page.
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: With some very minimal changes that content would then apply to all 3 of Desktop, Xubuntu, and Serverguide. Of course, a link note would be left on the Desktop getting started page.
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: This would solve both the issue of redundant content and that the Repository page really needs BZR setup stuff.
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: A possible alternative is to make that content an include file and just include it in two spots, the desktop getting started page and the Repository page. Then there would only be one "master".
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: Thoughts or opinions?
[15:48] <dsmythies> pleia2: (I realize you might not see this for awhile.)
[19:18] <godbyk> dsmythies: I like the include option best. I think new contributors would find it easier to read all the getting started instructions on a single page instead of having to click to another page then return.
[22:05] <dsmythies> godbyk: I'll try the include way then. I'll only mess around with the Repository page for now, since it was a mess anyhow. Once we are happy and in agreement, if we get that far, we'll edit the Desktop getting started page to use the new include file.
[22:23] <godbyk> dsmythies: Sounds like a plan.
[22:45] <ruliezz> hi everyone
[22:46] <belkinsa> Hello.  ruliezz here is a system admin and he wants to work on the Sever Guide, who can he speak to to get started?
[22:47] <ruliezz> Yep, im in my daily work a Linux sysadmin
[22:47] <belkinsa> ruliezz, try the list also.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[22:49] <belkinsa> Like I said introduce yourself and explain what you want to with the Sever Guide and someone will respond there (on the mailing-list).
[22:49] <ruliezz> smart idea
[22:51] <belkinsa> Generally that is the idea: join team on Launchpad, join the list, introduce yourself on the list, and join the channel to introduce yourself and get into the discussion if there is one going.  Most of the time, people lurk around and only will speak up when they need top.
[22:54] <belkinsa> Er, list = mailing-list.
[22:54] <ruliezz> do you have spam?
[22:54] <ruliezz> :P
[22:55] <belkinsa> No, I don't think this is spamming.
[22:55] <belkinsa> It's more like reminding.
[22:55] <belkinsa> ;)
[22:55] <godbyk> I think dsmythies has largely been responsible for the server guide of late, so he'd be the best person to talk to.
[22:55] <ruliezz> haha
[22:56] <godbyk> (At least, I leave all the fun server guide bugs for him to deal with. :))
[22:56] <ruliezz> haha :P
[22:57] <godbyk> I'll be back in a bit. I'm going to finish airing up my car tires.
[22:57] <ruliezz> Im going to bed
[22:57] <ruliezz> ;)
[22:58] <ruliezz> ist 00:00 in holland ;)
[22:58] <ruliezz> next day i need to work agian ;)
[22:58] <ruliezz> talk to you later
[22:58] <belkinsa> Night
[22:59] <ruliezz> night ;)
[23:08] <dsmythies> Oh darn, I missed ruliezz. Someone that wants to help with serverguide, Yippie.
[23:21] <belkinsa> dsmythies, he sent an e-mail to the mailing-list.
[23:23] <dsmythies> belkinsa: Oh. Yes, I see it.
[23:31] <dsmythies> godbyk: Have a look.
[23:32] <dsmythies> godbyk: at the repository page and the BzrCommon included file.
[23:33] <dsmythies> godbyk: I might add "Additional information" to BzrCommon.
[23:34] <dsmythies> godbyk: I might also delete "Advanced" and "Updating a checkout"
[23:36] <dsmythies> godbyk: I am hoping that what I had to add to BzrCommon doesn't confuse Desktop getting started too much, otherwise it defeats the purpose.
[23:40] <godbyk> Yeah, I think someone tried the shared repository approach and ran into problems.
[23:40] <godbyk> I've never tried it.
[23:40] <dsmythies> godbyk: Me neither.
[23:41] <godbyk> Here's the getting started instructions we use for the Ubuntu Manual Project: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[23:42] <godbyk> You're welcome to steal anything from there that looks useful.
[23:44] <godbyk> I'd probably call the directory 'ubuntu-docs' instead of 'ubuntu_bzr'.. Sounds less generic.
[23:45] <godbyk> And you could simplify things by having them always specify the branch name (i.e., lp:ubuntu-docs/trusty instead of lp:ubuntu-docs).
[23:45] <godbyk> The downside is that we'd have to update the instructions each cycle.
[23:46] <dsmythies> godbyk: Good point (ubuntu-bzr). I had copied that from rev 18, but yes it's not the best name. However, neither is "ubuntu-docs" for a generic example.
[23:47] <dsmythies> godbyk: re: downside: Exaclty, that is why I did it that way. See also Desktop getting started page, where is doesn't even say how to branch previous stuff.


[02:50] <pitti> Good morning
[05:44] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <happyaron> 4444ff44454
[06:52] <happyaron> ah sorry
[06:53] <pitti`> happyaron: cat jumped on keyboard? :-)
[06:57] <happyaron> pitti`: nope, terminal freezes and it's me... :)
[07:29] <willcooke> morning
[07:35] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:39]  * FJKong say good morning to others
[07:39] <willcooke> Good afternoon FJKong :)  Nearly EOW for you! \o/
[07:40] <FJKong> willcooke: less than 3 hrs, lol
[07:40] <willcooke> :)
[07:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:40] <didrocks> morning FJKong
[07:40] <didrocks> welcome back seb128
[07:40] <seb128> didrocks, hey, thanks ;-)
[07:40] <willcooke> hi seb128
[07:41] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:43] <FJKong> hey seb128
[07:45] <seb128> hey FJKong
[07:47] <FJKong> seb128: welcome back, I think I should talk with you about add pinyin searching to unity @ willcooke
[07:48] <seb128> FJKong, hey, sure, I read an email about that, I need to finish catching up with what happened while I was on vac this week and to go for some small errands, I'm back in less than 1 hour if you want to discuss that
[07:49] <FJKong> seb128: no problem, I will ping you next week, it is weekend for me already
[07:49] <willcooke> what do we think about encrypting the home directory by default?
[07:49] <seb128> FJKong, k, have a good w.e!
[08:04] <Laney> hello!
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:08] <Laney> what's up didrocks?
[08:08] <Laney> oh, it's friday, almost forgot!
[08:08] <didrocks> Laney: all good, and yourself?
[08:10] <Laney> doing alright
[08:20] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-September/015048.html
[08:32] <Laney> what's 14.02?
[08:32] <willcooke> heh - yes, I thought that too
[08:33] <willcooke> I've looped qengho in to that conversation with mdeslaur and I think I'm going to email that guy directly too.
[08:34] <Laney> not sure it'll be very feasible to update trusty
[08:37] <willcooke> hopefully we can get 14.10 upgraded though, and then maybe we can make some kind of joint announcement
[08:37] <Laney> 14.10 already has the version he asks for
[08:37] <willcooke> oh - sweet
[08:37] <Laney> laney@iota> rmadison -s utopic libnss3                                                                                ~ libnss3 | 2:3.17-1ubuntu1 | utopic | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[08:38] <willcooke> nice one, thanks Laney
[08:38] <Laney> I guessed that it works because pitti` was posting about netflix on G+ the other day ;-)
[08:39]  * willcooke adds pitti` to his circles
[08:45] <didrocks> eclipse behaves so weirdly on sigterm compared to intellij
[08:56] <Estilanda> hi!
[08:56] <Estilanda> Olga or Jouni?
[09:16] <willcooke> seb128, when you've got 10 mins can we chat re: my email where I said I couldn't be bothered to explain via email :)
[09:26] <seb128> willcooke, k,  I needed to go for some errands, I'm back but need to catchup a bit, let me 10 minutes
[09:27] <willcooke> seb128, no hurry at all, it can wait to Monday morning and our normal slot
[10:19] <didrocks> interesting, android.developer.com servers are starting to send some 500 errors this morning
[13:08] <Laney> hmm, no ffe yet for the gnome-desktop stuff
[13:13] <seb128> Laney, what is missing there?
[13:13] <Laney> file, approve, upload
[13:13] <Laney> accept, test, fix, be happy
[13:14] <Laney> I thought that robert_ancell was going to put that in this week
[13:20] <sil2100> Hello desktop team!
[13:20] <seb128> robert_ancell doesn't do much paperwork style of work usually ;-)
[13:22] <sil2100> I was in the middle of filling in the FFe for touch-specific packages when I noticed that mir is now partially part of the desktop images
[13:22] <sil2100> i.e. libmirclient8 is in the desktop images, pulled in by libgtk-3-0
[13:23] <sil2100> What should I do in this case? Is mir still feasible for a standing FFe?
[13:26] <Laney> what are they planning?
[13:27] <Laney> if stuff which breaks the gtk backend, probably not so cool
[13:32] <didrocks> Laney: I would ask for at least ABI stability
[13:33] <didrocks> willcooke: we lost you!
[13:33] <Laney> sil2100: I think you should go ask them what they're planning for the rest of this cycle
[13:33] <Laney> sil2100: In the meantime I'd ask for the easy stuff first
[13:33] <Laney> using that command I gave you
[13:33] <willcooke> didrocks, sorry, having technical issues all of a sudden
[13:34] <Laney> your call is important to us
[13:34] <seb128> ok, time for some exercice, bbl
[13:40] <mitya57> Hi, can anybody check why the CI/merge wasn't triggered for https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/indicator-session/lp1363630/+merge/232813 ?
[13:41] <mitya57> (which was approved > a week ago)
[13:43] <Laney> mitya57: these things are manual nowadays
[13:45] <mitya57> Laney: can you do it? :)
[13:45] <Laney> afraid so
[13:46] <Laney> you have to use the ci train
[13:46]  * mitya57 rarely contributes to branches of this style, so missed the change
[13:47] <Laney> mitya57: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-008-1-build/64/console watch the magic
[13:48] <mitya57> Thanks a lot!
[13:48] <Laney> and then you get https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-008
[13:48] <mitya57> Laney: who has the permissions to do such magic?
[13:48] <Laney> add it, confirm it works, and then there's a pres butan to upload
[13:48] <Laney> I think core-dev
[13:49] <mitya57> So I just need to become a core-dev :)
[13:49] <Laney> AIUI the new system "CI airline" is smarter and actually looks at the per-package ACL
[13:50] <Laney> also has the benefit of not being jenkins
[14:04] <ricotz> Laney, hi, would be nice to get glib2.0 2.40.0-3 into trusty
[14:05] <Laney> ricotz: I'd quite like a stable release
[14:05] <Laney> want to poke mclasen to do one?
[14:06] <ricotz> Laney, huh, i mean the debian package ;)
[14:06] <Laney> I know
[14:06] <Laney> I want more than that :p
[14:06] <ricotz> ah, i see
[14:07] <Laney> I tried a poke a couple of weeks ago but it didn't work
[14:07] <Laney> so would appreciate a second person ...
[14:07] <ricotz> Laney, isnt poking desrt enough ;)
[14:07] <Laney> he redirected me
[14:08] <ricotz> oh
[14:08] <ricotz> hmm, quite some time since the last commit for 2.40
[14:09] <ricotz> i guess there are already more things/fixes worth to backport which would be more work than just tagging
[14:09] <didrocks> popey: thanks man!
[14:09] <desrt> i could do a release if you like
[14:10] <desrt> i guess there have been a fair amount of fixes
[14:10] <Laney> I would enter a state of pleasedness
[14:10] <desrt> k.  i'll throw it on my today list
[14:10] <Laney> not sure if there's anything else in master worth cherry picking over
[14:11] <ricotz> desrt, great
[14:12] <mitya57> Laney: tested, works, can you press the button?
[14:13] <pitti> Laney: yeah, but I only got it to work with chrome; does it work with firefox now?
[14:14] <Laney> pitti: don't know, the q. was about chrome anyhow
[14:15] <popey> didrocks: np
[14:15] <Laney> mitya57: got to wait for that page to wake up
[14:15] <pitti> Laney: yeah, that works well, with an additional user-agent change plugin
[14:16] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-September/015048.html says there is something Netflix can do to make that unnecessary ...
[14:17] <Laney> aha https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-September/015050.html
[14:23] <Laney> mitya57: done, please could you ping me when it migrates to utopic release?
[14:23] <Laney> one more pres butan to do then
[14:26] <mitya57> Ok, will ping
[15:10] <brainwash> can we restore the old update-notifier tray icon functionality? there is a patch attached to bug 1246364, but it might need some additional rework (check for desktop environment)
[15:11] <brainwash> the tray icon would be optional and enabled by default in non-unity sessions like xubuntu
[15:16] <mitya57> Laney: migrated
[15:23] <Laney> blarg
[15:24] <ogra_> was that a jekyll/hyde thing ?
[15:31] <mitya57> Now that you're really here: <mitya57> Laney: migrated
[15:32] <Laney> mitya57: I think I did that
[15:32] <Laney> should have merged your branch
[15:32] <Laney> or maybe it's still running https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-008-3-merge-clean/21/console
[16:12] <mitya57> Laney: thanks, it was merged.
[16:13] <Laney> great
[17:16] <willcooke> merry weekend y'al
[17:16] <Laney> RIGHT
[17:16] <Laney> ha
[17:16] <Laney> what timing
[17:16] <Laney> bye too!
[17:16] <willcooke> see ya
[17:17] <Laney> seb128: I forgot to ask you how your trip to the seaside was!
[17:19] <seb128> Laney, quite nice, thanks! Weather was splendid, almost to warm (like 28°C without wind in the top of the afternoon)
[17:20] <Laney> what kind of september is this
[17:20] <seb128> yeah, go figure
[17:20] <seb128> it's another of those year where there is a nice/warm june, no decent summer in most of july/august and things are back to nice on septembre
[17:25] <Laney> I think it's been pretty scorchio most of the time here
[17:25] <Laney> but today I have had my lamp on the whole time
[17:25] <Laney> suuuuuuuuper grey
[17:25] <Laney> okay, pub time
[17:25] <Laney> bye!
[17:26] <seb128> Laney, have fun&a good w.e
[17:38] <desrt> seb128: !
[17:38] <desrt> you're back
[17:39] <seb128> desrt, hey!
[17:40] <desrt> seb128: how was your break?
[17:41] <seb128> desrt, good, spending days with family on the north coast of France, relaxing and we had great weather
[17:41] <seb128> spending->spent
[17:42] <desrt> cool!
[17:42]  * desrt is going up to his parents cottage again soonish
[17:42] <desrt> no boston summit for me this year -- first time in a long one
[17:42] <seb128> yeah, I saw that a few days ago
[17:42] <seb128> going to spend thanksgiving in family as well
[17:43] <seb128> ;-)
[18:36] <desrt> >:|
[18:36] <desrt> user panel in ubuntu is annoying wrt. passwords
[18:36] <desrt> it tells me "not good enough", as if i should care
[18:36] <desrt> and it won't let me set the password
[18:41] <mdeslaur> desrt: adjust /etc/security/pwquality.conf
[18:44] <desrt> mdeslaur: why do we get a different standard applied when an admin is changing another user's password via 'passwd'?
[18:44] <mdeslaur> desrt: because the admin knows best
[18:44] <desrt> exactly
[18:44] <desrt> i'm complaining about the admin using the GUI tool to change another user's password
[18:44] <desrt> it won't let me do it, so i have to use the commandline
[18:45] <desrt> there's no extra security here -- only inconvenience
[18:45] <mdeslaur> ah, I see, yes


[02:43] <OvenWerks> Just tried ubuntu vanila.... GAAA! It is actually pretty slick as a normal desktop... but trying to use different workspaces and assigning an app to a known workspace is a total fail. There is no menu still :P Again this is fine when almost all of your apps fit in the dock (Studio's don't come close)
[02:45] <OvenWerks> There seems to be no way of assigning a workspace across both the left and right monitor, so having two windows in the same app on left and right doesn't work... switch to a new workspace and the left changes but the right stays put.
[02:46] <OvenWerks> That would be ok if there was a way to set each display separately without dragging things around..
[02:51] <OvenWerks> I couldn't get any sound out of it... no pavucontrol or alsamixer
[02:52] <OvenWerks> settings is pretty sparce
[22:56] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: There is an extension to allow fixed workspaces (as opposed to dynamic) that can be installed from extensions.gnome.org, but I'm unaware of any way to assign apps to workspaces unless you drag-and-drop the icon into a workspace from the applications menu or dock/dash. Also, I'm not aware it even supports multiple-monitor workspaces.