[01:51] <veebers> Does anyone know if it's possible to add a ppa during the normal desktop installation (without using a preseed file)?
[04:38] <pitti> Bonjour
[04:38] <pitti> JoseeAntonioR: just ask, I'm reading backscroll :)
[04:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pitti: mind a quick pm? :)
[04:39] <pitti> as I said, just ask
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:24] <pitti> bonjour didrocks! as-tu eu un bon week-end?
[05:25] <didrocks> pitti: bon week-end, on a visité pas mal de salles pour le mariage, donc un peu fatigué :)
[05:25] <didrocks> et toi?
[05:26] <pitti> ooh, wedding preps!
[05:26] <didrocks> yep ;)
[05:27] <pitti> didrocks: il était calme; we went to the cinema ("Looper"), an hour into the woods for collecting mushroom, and to the Botanic garden
[05:27] <pitti> enjoying the nice autumn weather
[05:27] <didrocks> oh, seems to be a lovely weekend, indeed :)
[05:29] <pitti> didrocks: avez-vous trouver une bonne salle?
[05:30] <didrocks> pitti: oui, je pense qu'on en a trouvé une. Maintenant, il faut voir si on peut avoir un bon traiteur au même endroit + le curé pour le mariage :)
[05:30] <pitti> ok, I need babelfish for that one
[05:31] <pitti> didrocks: how much time do you have left?
[05:32] <didrocks> pitti: just a little bit less than a year ;)
[05:32] <pitti> ah, plenty of time
[05:34] <didrocks> indeed, but it seems that rooms are booked already, we have few free dates remaining :)
[06:14] <BigWhale> Good Morning everyone.
[06:16] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:20] <BigWhale> hey didrocks, chrisccoulson :)
[06:20] <didrocks> morning chrisccoulson :)
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> hi BigWhale
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[06:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: a little bit tired, but fine! thanks :) yourself?
[06:21] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[06:21] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, pretty much the same. my daughter is starting to look a bit better this morning too :)
[06:21] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[06:22] <didrocks> ah, great to hear for you daughter :)
[06:22] <didrocks> your*
[06:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! had a relaxing weekend
[06:22] <pitti> good to hear about your daughter
[06:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[06:41] <jibel> good morning
[06:44] <rickspencer3> hi jibel
[06:45] <didrocks> salut jibel, hey rickspencer3!
[06:45] <jibel> Hey rickspencer3!
[06:45] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[06:45] <rickspencer3> bonjhour mes amis?
[06:46] <rickspencer3> 12.10, c'est bon?
[06:46] <didrocks> de mon côté, pas de catastrophe pour unity, good to roll! :-)
[06:47] <rickspencer3> le mot dans la rue?
[06:47] <rickspencer3> didrocks, tres bien
[06:47] <rickspencer3> j'ai boisson mettre les cles compose pour l'accents dans cet ordinateur :)
[06:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, il y a plus des respins pour 12.10, ou, 12.10 est finis?
[06:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: achète un clavier azerty! :)
[06:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: je crois qu'il y a eu un respin ce week-end pour le boot efi. Je vois rien pour l'instant qui demanderait un autre respin :)
[06:49] <rickspencer3> chouette
[06:50] <jibel> rickspencer3, at least 1 respin planned to get a fix in apt and another fix for the "reinstall" functionality in ubiquity
[06:50] <rickspencer3> jibel, je ne connais pas "reinstall" :/
[06:51] <didrocks> jibel: c'est celui qui est dans -proposed?
[06:51] <jibel> didrocks, yes, found it yesterday, Colin fixed it yesterday evening
[06:51] <rickspencer3> aha
[06:51] <jibel> rickspencer3, ubiquity offers to reinstall the system when it finds an existing installation
[06:51] <rickspencer3> jibel, we should add tests for that today :)
[06:52] <jibel> rickspencer3, bug 1066347
[06:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066347 in ubiquity ""Reinstall Ubuntu" failed - apt-clone crashes with: KeyError: "filename './etc/apt/sources.list' not found" line 1886 in getmember in tarfile.py" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066347
[06:52] <jibel> rickspencer3, indeed :)
[06:58] <sbte> pitti, I just replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/1050358
[06:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050358 in pygobject-2 "emesene crashed with SIGSEGV in tupledealloc.24592()" [High,Confirmed]
[06:59] <pitti> sbte: ah, thanks
[06:59] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, ça va?
[07:00] <rickspencer3> bonjour pitti! je vais bien, et tois?
[07:00] <rickspencer3> je suis a londre :)
[07:00] <rickspencer3> je suis a londres* ;)
[07:01]  * rickspencer3 sets up compose keys
[07:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: je vais très bien, merci! j'ai eu un week-end calme
[07:01] <pitti> we had marvellous sunny fall weather, so we went outside quite a lot
[07:02] <rickspencer3> choutte!
[07:02] <rickspencer3> samedi, j'ai courru acote la mer d'isle of man
[07:02] <rickspencer3> c'est telement jolli
[07:02] <pitti> rickspencer3: "choutte"?
[07:03] <didrocks> pitti: "chouette" I guess :)
[07:03] <jibel> pitti, "Chouette" = nice
[07:03] <rickspencer3> sorry
[07:03] <pitti> oh, google says that means "owl"
[07:03] <rickspencer3> è é ô, etc...
[07:04] <rickspencer3> pitti, la chouette = owl
[07:04] <rickspencer3> chouette = "cool"
[07:04] <rickspencer3> sans l'aritcle ;)
[07:04] <pitti> j'ai apprendre un nouveau mot ajourd'hui :)
[07:04] <rickspencer3> pitti, I think it was current slang in like 1975
[07:04] <didrocks> yeah, it's a little bit old-fashionned :)
[07:04] <rickspencer3> now they say "nikel"
[07:05] <pitti> rickspencer3: tu as un clef compose maintenant?
[07:05] <pitti> ☺ æ →
[07:05] <rickspencer3> pitti, oui, c'est vrais ;)
[07:06] <rickspencer3> mais, je ne puex pas épeller avec ou sans le clés compose ;)
[07:07] <pitti> oui, c'est très utile
[07:08] <pitti> translage.g.c ne sait pas "nikel"
[07:08] <rickspencer3> je pense il y a un systém pour la correction d'eppllage
[07:08] <rickspencer3> pitti, nickel?
[07:08] <rickspencer3> oui, c'est "nickel" desolé
[07:09] <pitti> rickspencer3: oui, mais c'est juste la pièce de monnaie
[07:09] <rickspencer3> pitti, the mysteries of slang :)
[07:09] <pitti> *tsk*
[07:09] <didrocks> pitti: non, c'est "niquel" le matériau
[07:09] <jibel> pitti, "chouette" comes from the old French verb "Choeter" which meant "to be handsome" and now means "it is a good news"
[07:09] <didrocks> https://www.google.com/search?q=niquel&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tLZ7UInrHZKZhQf58oDQCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=994
[07:09] <rickspencer3> aha!
[07:09] <didrocks> "nickel" is "cool"
[07:10] <pitti> didrocks: as if that wouldn't be any less weird
[07:10] <rickspencer3> j'ai ecouté "nickel platinum" aussi
[07:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ahah ;)
[07:10] <didrocks> pitti: TBH, I see more than 50% mispelling "niquel" for "nickel" :p
[07:10] <didrocks> (long discussions on #gnomefr :p)
[07:11] <rickspencer3> j'ai regardé tv le monde heir denier, mais, je n'ai pas comprix :(
[07:12] <rickspencer3> les françaises ... si vous ples ... parle plus lentment!
[07:12] <didrocks> tv5monde? je regarde peu la chaine, mais j'imagine que le débit de parole est rapide
[07:12] <didrocks> ahah, c'est dans toutes les langues "les américains, svp, plus lent!" ;)
[07:13] <mlankhorst> Lets all pretend we're french day?
[07:13] <mlankhorst> Je t'aime!
[07:14] <pitti> "Je suis un homme français"
[07:14] <didrocks> jibel: on a réussi, finalement \o/
[07:14] <pitti> ... et je l'aime!
[07:14]  * didrocks change le langpack par défaut et demande un respin de 13.10
[07:14] <didrocks> 12.10*
[07:14] <mlankhorst> Ah oui!
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: wasn't that what seb128 announced 5 months ago already anyway?
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: ouai, mais j'avais peur que ce "bug" ne soit pas corrigé :)
[07:15] <didrocks> ("bogue" en bon français)
[07:17] <pitti> ah ah
[07:17] <pitti> (see, I'm even imitating French laughter!)
[07:19] <mlankhorst> riri
[07:19] <didrocks> riri? :p
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: FWIW, with all the CPU/battery/memory increase, it certainly doesn't help that unity grows more and more python daemons :(
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: do you know if there's any plan to rewrite them in Vala? (and stop adding more Python daemons in the frist place)?
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: I agree and we'll probably put the issue down on paper with PS
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: I heard about Go…
[07:20] <pitti> well, anything which doesn't incur a 0.5 second start penalty even on fast machines
[07:20] <pitti> and a huge memory footprint
[07:20] <pitti> opening the dash the first time on my netbook is ridiculously slow, and it's even worse on arm
[07:24]  * mlankhorst tried
[07:37] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:37] <didrocks> hey!
[07:38] <rickspencer3> bonjour seb128
[07:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, salut ! toujours à Londre ?
[07:39] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, oui, je suis à Londres
[07:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, quel est la mot dans la rue apropos 12.10?
[07:41] <seb128> rickspencer3, ca a l'air ok pour l'instant
[07:41] <rickspencer3> l'air "ok" ?
[07:42] <rickspencer3> pas l'air niquel?
[07:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, disont qu'il y a quelques bugs que j'aurais préféré ne pas voir dans la release
[07:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, mais rien de suffisant pour stopper,retarder la release
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> good morning french people
[07:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good morning our uk friend, how is your rainy country today? ;-)
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's a bit miserable outside ;)
[07:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, had a good W.E? Is your daughter better?
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, she looks a bit better this morning. her face doesn't look as swollen today
[07:48] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson :)
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3 :)
[07:51] <pitti> salut seb128!
[07:54] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va ? t'as passé un bon w.e ?
[07:55]  * bryceh waves in a frenchly manner
[07:55] <seb128> bryceh, hey, how are you? In London as well or just not sleeping on a sunday night? ;-)
[07:56]  * mlankhorst will go on his next flight with air france klm
[07:56] <didrocks> hey bryceh :)
[07:56] <bryceh> seb128, nah, just being a night owl
[07:57] <bryceh> "le couch-tard" apparently?
[07:57] <seb128> that's correct ;-)
[07:58] <bryceh> well that works in english too ;-)
[08:00] <Laney> haha
[08:00] <Laney> morning
[08:02] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: oui, c'était jolie et calme; nous avons eu du beau temps
[08:04] <Laney> seb128: good thanks! good weekend?
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: "joli"
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, ici vent et pluie :-(
[08:05] <didrocks> ici ciel bleu :)
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, quite good thanks, spa on saturday, starcraft on sunday
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: comme c'est dommage
[08:05]  * Laney got the new x-com game
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, c'est l'automne
[08:05] <pitti> ah well, playing games is quite nice, too :)
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, unknown enemy? how is it?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm pondering buying it
[08:06] <seb128> I think RAOF plays it as well
[08:06] <Laney> yeah it's fun, definitely a lot in common with the original
[08:06] <seb128> I used to play the old xcom, it has been a while ... in the 90's
[08:06] <Laney> so if you liked those, get it
[08:07] <MCR1> Laney, seb128, RAOF: Shame on you ;) (just joking) - you should all try UFO:AI, which is open source: www.ufoai.org !
[08:07] <seb128> well, I played only one, it was a by turn strategic team battle
[08:07] <Laney> yeah, that's the same :-)
[08:08] <seb128> do you need a powerful video to play? I'm never sure if intel cards let you run modern games :p
[08:08] <pitti> I've been playing Wesnoth for quite a while
[08:08] <seb128> shame on me, I activated my win7 disk this W.E
[08:08] <MCR1> seb128: Yes, it is OpenGL.
[08:08] <pitti> I loved Battle Isle back then, but the DOS version is too clumsy now and I can't find my BI3 CD any more
[08:09] <seb128> I swapped my disk with a ssd one when I bought the laptop, I still have win on the old disk, I swapped it back ... works fine
[08:09] <MCR1> but UFO:AI really is great, so if you do not know it - please try
[08:09] <pitti> wesnoth is quite a lot of fun, too; just tends to be quite hard in the later campaigns
[08:09] <Laney> will do!
[08:09] <MCR1> imho it is the best open-source game out there
[08:09] <seb128> MCR1, thanks, will try
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, oh, battle isle, I played that as well
[08:09] <MCR1> (I contributed quite a bit to it)
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: I tried again in dosbox some weeks ago, but with today's monitors and mouse control expectancies it feels really clumsy
[08:13] <Laney> didrocks: PS freeze session> hah, thanks for that, was considering doing that
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I think the discussion is important (with design, the different distro teams and so on… ;))
[08:14] <Laney> gnome doesn't have a standing exception these days though btw
[08:15] <Laney> it's not usually necessary as we are aligned with them
[08:16] <bryceh> sadly only game I got to play this Sunday was catching-baby-climbing-over-couche-tard
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: hum, really? I'm pretty sure we still do push it even with the GNOME freeze after ours
[08:17] <Laney> yeah
[08:17] <Laney> it came up last cycle IIRC
[08:17] <Laney> but we agreed it's not necessary
[08:20] <mvo> seb128: good morning - bug #1032953 looks a lot like a gvfs bug to me, afaics there is no code in update-notifier that triggers it, just running the mainloop there is enough to crash
[08:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032953 in gvfs "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032953
[08:20] <mvo> seb128: its #8 on errors
[08:22] <seb128> mvo, thanks, I will have a look
[08:28] <mvo> seb128: bug #1032925 looks a bit similar, also no real u-n code involved but library code, in this case dconf. maybe there is some generic memory corruption :/ or they are just two independent bugs
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032925 in update-notifier "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032925
[08:28] <mvo> (nr #22 on errors)
[09:10] <sbte> pitti, will the segfault I sent you be fixed before 12.10?
[09:10] <pitti> sbte: no, release is Thursday and everything is deep frozen
[09:10] <pitti> this is perfectly SRUable
[09:10] <pitti> and we don't even have debugged it yet
[09:12] <sbte> pitti, ok, too bad. I hope it doesn't affect a lot of other applications
[09:18] <om26er> pitti, hey! before release of 12.10 will apport be disabled ? (or is it already?)
[09:19] <pitti> om26er: it is already
[09:19] <pitti> om26er: well, reporting crashes to Launchpad is
[09:19] <pitti> just as with precise, we keep reporting crashes to errors.u.c.
[09:20] <om26er> Ok
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> sigh https://launchpadlibrarian.net/119773304/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox-trunk_19.0~a1~hg20121014r110233-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> because of http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a913c8c0de54 :(
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> fantastic start to the week!
[09:38] <ayan> seb128: i attached some debdiffs to lp780117 -- does that bug need anything else from me?
[09:39] <seb128> ayan, no, that looks fine, thanks
[11:45] <Laney> pitti: hey, just got pinged on #debian-gnome about the explicit upstart dep that dbus has. do you remember what it was for?
[11:45] <Laney> it's pre-lucid anyway so it seems we can drop it and rely on the upstart-job automatic dep now anyway
[11:53] <pitti> Laney: no idea about it, I'm afraid; that's still from Keybuk
[11:54] <Laney> old skool
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: just watched BBT 4.03 over lunch -- that one is just awesome
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: err, 6.03 of course
[12:00] <seb128> pitti, bbt?
[12:00] <seb128> oh
[12:00] <pitti> seb128: Big Bang Theory
[12:00] <seb128> yeah, just got it :p
[12:01] <seb128> I should buy the DVDs
[12:01] <pitti> sorry, OT
[12:07] <didrocks> pitti: so late! already done on Friday :)
[12:07] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, I didn't have time for a lunch break on Friday
[12:07] <didrocks> dinner time with Julie for me :) (she's more fan than I even am ;))
[12:08] <didrocks> so I would get killed if I watch it without her :p
[12:08] <pitti> hah
[12:09] <seb128> do you guys have the DVDs? or are they broadcasted on TV somewhere?
[12:09] <pitti> just watching from the interwebs
[12:10] <pitti> seb128: is season 6 on DVD even? it's the current season on TB
[12:10] <pitti> TV
[12:11] <didrocks> seb128: same here, I doubt the current season is on dvd :)
[12:11] <didrocks> but ECANTWAIT :)
[12:11] <pitti> same here :)
[12:19] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ok, I'm probably less good at/wanting to find warez videos on the internet ;-)
[12:19] <seb128> but I'm lagging behind on bbt anyway, I could just buy the first seasons in DVDs
[12:24]  * desrt yawns
[12:24] <seb128> desrt, hey, how are you? had a good long W.E?
[12:24] <desrt> yup
[12:24] <desrt> dunno if you saw planet but i'm developing one hell of a next-cycle TODO list
[12:24] <bcurtiswx> seb128, do you use empathy?
[12:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx, not a lot, I use piding most of the time
[12:25] <seb128> desrt, the Boston glib/GTK plans?
[12:25] <desrt> ya
[12:25] <desrt> quite a few items on the glib todo list
[12:25] <seb128> yeah, you comforted me in my idea of "stay on stable" ;-)
[12:25] <desrt> seb128: :P
[12:26] <desrt> seb128: i already introduced two of the incompatible changes
[12:26] <pitti> hey desrt
[12:26] <bcurtiswx> desrt, do you use empathy?
[12:26] <desrt> seb128: no complaints yet except that gedit starts showing some g_critical() where it didn't -- and it was already failing valgrind before the changes, so i think it just makes an existing bug more visible
[12:26] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well, I can run it if needed, I've it installed ... do you need testing?
[12:26] <desrt> bcurtiswx: using it right now
[12:26] <desrt> pitti: hey!
[12:27] <desrt> pitti: i was looking for you :)
[12:27] <bcurtiswx> sure you both can (bcurtiswx on gtalk) , my notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages
[12:27] <desrt> pitti: i need you to rewrite class initialisation in pygobject :)
[12:27] <bcurtiswx> can you confirm?
[12:27]  * pitti runs away very fast
[12:28] <desrt> pitti: seriously though....
[12:28] <bcurtiswx> pitti, inspired by Felix Baumgartner ?
[12:28] <desrt> pitti: what do you think is the scariest single file in all of GNOME right now?
[12:28] <pitti> bcurtiswx: ... horizontally
[12:28] <bcurtiswx> ;)
[12:29] <pitti> desrt: err, no idea off the top of my head -- but if you are alluding to that, some files in pygobject are certainly hot candidates
[12:29] <desrt> pitti: i had gtype.c in mind
[12:29] <desrt> pitti: i'm interested in making some 'changes' there... the way pygobject does class initialisation prevents me from making those changes
[12:30] <desrt> we could easily have that file half the size and 1/4 as complicated
[12:30] <larsu> desrt, which adds an extra 33% complexity per line?
[12:30] <pitti> desrt: I'm not really an expert in the pygobject code yet either, but if there's something to change in particular there, I'm happy to sit down for a day and learn about it
[12:30] <didrocks> desrt: you are a good seller :)
[12:31] <desrt> pitti: long story short: everyone on earth does gobjects this way:
[12:31] <desrt> from their get_type() function inside of the g_once_enter() they call _register() and then _add_interface()
[12:31] <desrt> then in their class_init() they call a bunch of property installs
[12:31] <seb128> bcurtiswx, "notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages" ... is that gnome-shell?
[12:31] <desrt> pygobject calls _register() and then calls _class_ref() on that to get the class structure
[12:32] <desrt> then installs one round of interfaces
[12:32] <desrt> then installs the properties
[12:32] <seb128> bcurtiswx, or what do you call "notification area for new messages"?
[12:32] <desrt> then installs the rest of the interfaces
[12:32] <desrt> the two rounds of interfaces thing is explained in the source with a comment saying "this is probably a bug we should have filed against glib..." but in fact is just because they're doing it the wrong way entirely :p
[12:32] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i can never remember what the white envelope is called, but in there. It does not turn blue for new empathy chat messages
[12:32] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the messaging menu?
[12:33] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes, thank you
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, when did the issue start?
[12:33] <bcurtiswx> around friday last week
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, it would be a telepathy-indicator issue, can you ping Ken about it when he gets online?
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you could try to downgrade telepathy-indicator as well
[12:34] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK, i'll try both. Thanks
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: ok, I'm afraid I don't follow from that short description; perhaps you can file a bug with some details, and then I'll get back to you ASAP when I looked at that part intensely?
[12:34] <desrt> pitti: deal
[12:34] <desrt> pitti: we should also talk at UDS :)
[12:34] <pitti> no doubt
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: that, and beer
[12:47] <desrt> pitti: i just filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686149 with a fairly decent explanation with a code pointer
[12:47] <ubot2> Gnome bug 686149 in general "fix class initialisation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:48] <pitti> desrt: cheers
[12:48] <desrt> pitti: cheers for the work, if you can figure out how to do it :)
[12:48] <pitti> desrt: I think I can find some time over this week
[12:48] <desrt> pitti: there may be some reason that i don't know that they elected to do it this way....
[12:48] <pitti> I'm still working on the gvfs tests to finish that thing
[12:49] <desrt> like somehow having stuff in a class_init() would have made their lives difficult
[12:49] <pitti> desrt: I can certainly find J5 on IRC at some point and pick his brain
[12:49] <desrt> pitti: if it ends up being impossible for you to do that we could discuss alternatives -- maybe i could loosen some of the warnings in glib in order to allow you to still add all interfaces before calling g_type_class_ref()
[12:51] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i can confirm the older telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 works and the -0ubuntu2 does not
[13:03] <jcastro_> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1280650/
[13:03] <jcastro_> didrocks: some guys have been working on the reset stuff
[13:03] <didrocks> jcastro_: sweet! on a call, will look afterwards :)
[13:03] <jcastro_> cool
[13:05] <didrocks> jcastro_: after a first quick review, it would be better to use the python gobject gsettings binding rather than calling subprocess if possible
[13:05] <didrocks> (also not having the list hard-coded by detecting which schemes are installed on the system or gsettings will fail)
[13:08] <bcurtiswx> morning kenvandine
[13:08] <kenvandine> howdy
[13:09] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, the telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 upgrade borked the messaging menu turning blue on new empathy messages.
[13:09] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i confirmed it works OK with -0ubuntu1 but not -0ubuntu2
[13:13] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, nothing shows from empathy in the messaging menu from empathy
[13:14] <cyphermox> how's everyone doing on this fine morning? :)
[13:14] <bcurtiswx> off to work, bbs
[13:24] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, hummm
[13:27] <pitti> hey cyphermox, good morning
[13:27] <cyphermox> hey pitti
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, how are you? how busy are you today? ;-)
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, or: is there any chance you could look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1053862
[13:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053862 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_list_foreach()" [High,Confirmed]
[13:45] <mterry> seb128, I can look at it, yeah
[13:45] <om26er> cyphermox, Hey!
[13:45] <om26er> cyphermox, can you please take a look at bug bug 965895
[13:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965895 in network-manager-applet "After boot, NetworkManager indicator menu only shows four entries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965895
[13:46] <seb128> mterry, thanks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1054737 might be the same one
[13:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054737 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_destroy()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:59] <cyphermox> om26er: I was looking at it before, I have a few ideas but it will need testing outside of proposed to see if it helps -- I can't reproduce it myself
[13:59] <cyphermox> om26er: can you reproduce this easily?
[14:00] <om26er> cyphermox, yeah, it happens quite reliably on one slow machine that I have
[14:00] <cyphermox> ok
[14:00] <cyphermox> so I'll write up a patch and put it in a ppa for you to try ;)
[14:00] <om26er> sure
[14:01] <cyphermox> om26er: just to be sure, quantal right?
[14:01] <cyphermox> because AFAIK this happens on precise too
[14:01] <om26er> cyphermox, both, quantal and precise
[14:01] <cyphermox> om26er: which one are you running?
[14:01] <om26er> cyphermox, i have both installed, atm its running quantal
[14:01] <cyphermox> oh ok
[14:02] <cyphermox> well I got a copy of the quantal branch already, so I'll do this one first
[14:03] <bcurtiswx> back :)
[14:09] <tsdgeos> So in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1064992 i discovered what seems to be a bug in gtk+3 and created a simple patch at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686152 What's the workflow from there? Wait until gtk patch is upstream and then distro patch? distro patch anyway? never distro patch and simply wait for next gtk release?
[14:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064992 in gtk+3.0 "Unity menubar crashes when activating a submenu in LibreOffice while using Orca screen reader" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:10] <seb128> tsdgeos, not strict rule, but we like to have an happy upstream review before backporting fixes
[14:11] <tsdgeos> makes sense :-)
[14:11] <seb128> tsdgeos, we do apply patches before they are reviewed though when we judge them important enoughs or when we are confident in the change
[14:11] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I think you can ping API on this one I guess
[14:13] <tsdgeos> didrocks: no such nick around says /whois
[14:13] <didrocks> tsdgeos: yeah, he seems to not be around. he's normally on gimp.net and freenode
[14:14] <tsdgeos> let me check gimpnet
[14:14] <tsdgeos> nope
[14:16] <didrocks> tsdgeos: no, he's really not around, maybe try later (he's in argentina? not sure)
[14:16] <tsdgeos> maybe :-)
[14:18] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, can you file a bug for that?
[14:18] <kenvandine> i think i have a fix
[14:19] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, sure if you need any info from my Quantal install at home I can get that later today
[14:19] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, it works fine for guest and for new users on first run
[14:19] <kenvandine> but it doesn't work after that :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i am pretty sure i have a fix
[14:20] <bcurtiswx> OK one sec
[14:20] <kenvandine> just need a bug report to reference :)
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, bug #1066901
[14:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066901 in telepathy-indicator "Messaging menu does not show new messages for empathy." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066901
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, you're linking a branch with a dif lp # ?
[14:30] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, what do you mean?
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> in the bug report i just made you linked a branch you made for a gwibber bug
[14:31] <kenvandine> oh
[14:31] <kenvandine> not really :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> i fixed it in the other branch
[14:31] <kenvandine> which was already linked
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> oh, ok
[14:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, ok, fix uploaded to -proposed... now it is up to the SRU team :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thanks!
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, no, thank you :)
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, so anyone using it on a live CD for 12.10 will be OK, and anyone upgrading will get the fix anyways, right?
[14:42] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> great
[14:42] <kenvandine> once it goes through he SRU process
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> yup
[14:43] <kenvandine> i did most of my testing on that in a guest session
[14:43] <kenvandine> which is why i didn't catch that
[14:43] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> must land code earlier!
[14:46] <cyphermox> om26er: wanna try https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/nm/+sourcepub/2717767/+listing-archive-extra ?
[14:46] <cyphermox> (once it's built)
[14:47] <om26er> cyphermox, yes, I will test and let you know
[15:46] <Laney> davidcalle: Do you have a -photos SRU planned?
[15:48] <davidcalle> Laney, yes, I've just landed a new branch with a potential SRU fix, and there is your AccountsManager fix
[15:48] <Laney> davidcalle: great
[15:48] <Laney> It's #4 on e.u.c so I want to make sure it gets in :-)
[15:48] <Laney> same for -gdocs /me hunts for mardy
[15:51] <Laney> pfft, people who don't hang around in any #ubuntu-* channels with me suck :P
[16:54] <afernandez> Hi Sweetshark
[17:00] <Sweetshark> tedg, afernandez: Hi all. A quick update on LibreOffice ...
[17:02] <Sweetshark> afernandez seems to have fixed bug 1064962, but there are still issues with opening writer from the startcenter, right?
[17:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
[17:02] <afernandez> Sweetshark, yes
[17:03] <afernandez> Sweetshark, I am working on it right now
[17:04] <Sweetshark> afernandez hopes to fix the remaining issue. I would hope to target this not for a 0day SRU but for ~1 week in. There is still the issue with helping bamf by setting the current app as a window property and I will be at the LO conference this week.
[17:04] <Sweetshark> tedg: does that sound sensible to you?
[17:05] <tedg> Sweetshark, We're working on fixing it on the other side as well.
[17:05] <tedg> It's a race condition that can't be completely solved on the LO side.
[17:06] <Sweetshark> tedg: k.
[17:06] <tedg> Sweetshark, The BAMF branch is "demo" state and I'm going to use that in indicator-appmenu this afternoon.
[17:07] <tedg> That being said, making it better on the LO side is good too.
[17:07] <afernandez> Sweetshark, tedg there is also some issues updating the HUD. There is a new feature called HUD awareness protocol implemented by Ryan Lortie that should help to fix that
[17:08] <tedg> Cool.
[17:08] <afernandez> Sweetshark, tedg I have a branch with some code to work with it, but currently the implementation is not working for us. I have sent an email to Ryan explaining the issue and I hope it could be fixed soon
[17:08] <tedg> desrt, are you on it? ^
[17:08] <tedg> I've got a mnemonics branch as well, but it's not working.  I need to figure out why it's not getting the keys.
[17:08] <tedg> It does the alt-highlighting thought really nicely :-)
[17:09] <tedg> though
[17:09] <afernandez> tedg, happy to hear that :)
[17:12] <Sweetshark> tedg, afernandez: so, I will target a SRU 7day in and if time allows will try to ppa the intermediate state in 1-2 days -- if time allows.
[17:13] <afernandez> Sweetshark, yes, I have found the issue which prevented the menu to work
[17:13] <afernandez> Sweetshark, problem is that test crashes came back again :(
[17:14] <afernandez> Sweetshark, I think that the crasher bug is still there...
[17:24] <Sweetshark> afernandez: not good
[17:26] <afernandez> Sweetshark, no, not at all...
[17:31] <Sweetshark> afernandez: ok, lets see how it works out with latest fixes in a few days.
[17:31] <afernandez> ok
[17:31] <Sweetshark> afernandez, tedg: Anything else, or should we adjourn?
[17:31] <davmor2> kenvandine: hey dude so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1020959 looks like the issue might be out fault,  apparently they use the icon input-dialpad from gnome-icon-theme the only reference I see to it as as an svg scalable but then it is called input-dialpad-symbolic.svg
[17:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1020959 in empathy "Empathy call is missing an icon for dialpad/side panel" [Low,Triaged]
[17:32] <davmor2> s/out/our
[17:33] <afernandez> Sweetshark, nothing else to say from my side :)
[17:36] <tedg> I'm good as well
[17:36] <Sweetshark> afernandez, tedg: k, thanks guys ;)
[17:39] <kenvandine> davmor2, ah
[17:40] <kenvandine> davmor2, the icon is in gnome-icon-theme-full
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> seb128, the GNOME plan would differ from now in that we wouldn't touch any GNOME files until they were in the stable status ? where as now we grab unstable and keep updating ?
[17:58] <seb128> bcurtiswx, right
[17:58] <seb128> we would follow 3.6 next cycle
[17:58] <seb128> rather than packaging every 3.7 and ship with 3.8
[17:58] <seb128> lot less work and time to deal properly with changes and bugs in 3.6
[18:00] <bcurtiswx> seb128, so if there's fixes in GNOME unstable for stable releases that GNOME doesn't feel like putting in their stable releases, we'll require a lot more backporting, right?
[18:02] <jbicha_> GNOME doesn't really support their stable releases anyway, their last 3.6 release is 3.6.2 scheduled for next month
[18:03] <jbicha_> that really sounds like 7 weeks of suupport to me :(
[18:04] <cyphermox> om26er: looking any better?
[18:06] <om26er> cyphermox, i got sidetracked, downloaded the debs now.. gotta reboot and test a few times
[18:07] <cyphermox> ok :P
[18:07] <cyphermox> oops
[18:14] <om26er> cyphermox, the fix is working fine for me
[18:15] <cyphermox> hmm, cool
[18:15] <cyphermox> that still brings me to really wonder what the hell might be causing the code that is there to not trigger
[18:15] <om26er> cyphermox, after a couple of reboots i cannot reproduce the issue and it was happening quite easily before installing those debs
[18:15] <cyphermox> but this kind of forces the menu to be updated after at most 30 seconds
[18:15] <om26er> wont that eat CPU a bit?
[18:16] <cyphermox> not more than the current state
[18:16] <cyphermox> well, a bit, but it's negligible on most systems
[18:16] <cyphermox> very few interfaces, a few connections, etc., two or three dbus calls to get the information
[18:17] <om26er> cyphermox, if you hand me a patch, I could work on the SRU for precise
[18:17] <om26er> and for quantal
[18:18] <cyphermox> ah, I can handle it no prob ;)
[18:18] <davmor2> kenvandine: right so apparently empathy depends on that one icon for it's dialpad, so I don't know if we have our own equivalent I didn't see one with the quick look that I did, in the meantime I'll install gnome-icon-theme-full and see if that does indeed fix the issue
[18:18] <cyphermox> there's a few other patches I need to ship for precise and probably some for quantal too
[18:18] <cyphermox> I can definitely share the patch though:
[18:18] <cyphermox> om26er: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281638/
[18:19] <om26er> cyphermox, alright, cool :)
[18:27] <kenvandine> davmor2, we need to tweak the package so that icon lands in gnome-icon-theme instead of -ful
[18:27] <kenvandine> +l
[18:34] <davmor2> kenvandine: confirmed installing gnome-icon-theme-full fixes the missing icon so I'll add that to the bug and modify the description appropriately
[18:35] <kenvandine> thx
[18:58] <seb128> bcurtiswx, yeah, backporting every single fix GNOME puts in is less work than dealing with unstable releases tracking though ;-)
[18:59] <seb128> kenvandine, there is a file listing images that should be in g-i-t, it should be a matter of listing the icon there
[18:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:00] <seb128> kenvandine, the replaces is always << current-version to deal nicely with such tweaks
[19:56] <jcastro_> hey kenvandine
[19:56] <kenvandine> yo
[19:57] <jcastro_> some community people are trying to fix up "unity --reset"
[19:57] <jcastro_> didrocks did the first review but he's gone, I was wonderign if you could have a look
[19:57] <jcastro_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/
[19:57] <jcastro_> (I've asked them to push the code to launchpad instead of pastebin too
[19:57] <kenvandine> sorry... i don't know what compiz stuff unity touches
[19:57] <jcastro_> ok
[19:57] <jcastro_> is there anyone around that does?
[19:58] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[19:58] <kenvandine> maybe
[20:00] <jcastro_> I'll encourage them to post to the -desktop list
[20:00] <kenvandine> ok
[20:03] <phanimahesh> we want to help fix unity --reset, here's our first cut  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/
[20:05] <phanimahesh> The revision history is saved on bitbucket at https://bitbucket.org/jpmahesh/unity-reset
[20:15] <jcastro_> ok mail sent to the list
[20:16] <jcastro_> phanimahesh: thanks for doing it, people with broken computers will love it. :)
[20:16] <bschaefer> jcastro_, or people who compile compiz :)
[20:16] <phanimahesh> I love contributing to Ubuntu. I should thank jokerdino and amith for pulling me into this.
[20:17] <phanimahesh> and you ofcourse, for that bounty I'm about to get. :D :P
[20:17] <seb128> jcastro_, kenvandine: desktop list sounds good
[20:18] <jcastro_> phanimahesh: next time we'll get you sorted on launchpad and stuff
[20:19] <phanimahesh> Sure. :)
[20:24] <DonM>  Hi! I'm running Lucid and have a problem with Evolution Calendar. I double clicked on today's date in the small calendar pulldown from the tack bar -- and everything was deleted. I've got backups running and found old versions of calendar.ics but these do not restore anything. Is there some other file I should look for?
[20:34] <doomlord> can ubuntu-unity do a scale to show all windoows from all desktops
[20:51] <desrt> tedg: on what?
[20:51] <desrt> i'm pretty sure that race is not on our side...
[20:52] <desrt> although there is a slightly disturbing gmenumodel exporter bug that i'm trying to find at the moment... who knows...
[20:53] <tedg> desrt, He mentioned he'd asked some questions in an e-mail.  I was more pinging so that you could confirm or deny :-)
[20:53] <tedg> Didn't want to to feel left out.
[20:53] <tedg> you to
[20:53] <desrt> tedg: btw... i noticed that you refactored the grab stuff a bit...
[20:54] <desrt> it worries me because i made it the way it was to deal with the expected behaviour under various exotic languages
[20:54] <tedg> desrt, A little bit.  Mostly because I didn't have unichars.
[20:54] <tedg> desrt, I assumed (but didn't verify) that the GtkLabel code handled that case.
[20:54] <desrt> like i tried to make sure the behaviour was consistent with what gtk was already doing on (for example) hebrew
[20:54] <desrt> you can have multiple keyvals per unichar
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, I don't believe so.
[20:55] <desrt> from my research it was possible
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, The functions to translate are all 1:1
[20:55] <desrt> like if you had a hebrew keyboard layout enabled but not active
[20:55] <desrt> and the label was in hebrew
[20:55] <desrt> that you could press alt+[latin character on the same key as the hebrew letter]
[20:55] <desrt> and it would work
[20:55] <desrt> hmm
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, I think that is keyval to keycode
[20:55] <desrt> i don't remember exactly.  it was a long time ago :)
[20:55] <desrt> could well be
[20:56] <tedg> desrt, I didn't change that translation bit.
[20:56] <desrt> okay.  good :)
[23:26] <jcastro_> hey jbicha, how well tested is gnome-boxes? I can get it to run but not create images
[23:26] <jcastro_> well test in ubuntu I mean


[21:08] <waigani> morning all
[21:10] <menn0> hey waigani
[21:10] <waigani> hey menn0 what are you up to today?
[21:11] <menn0> waigani: further improvements to the github-watcher charm, charm development doc improvements and some test cleanups for "juju bootstrap"
[21:11] <menn0> thumper: so we have a standup at 11 today?
[21:11] <waigani> sounds good :)
[21:12] <thumper> yep
[21:12] <menn0> waigani: what about you?
[21:12] <menn0> cool
[21:13] <waigani> menn0: ummm, pick up where I left off with the charm on fri and hopefully get my head around agent/tools build logic such that I can mock it out for tests
[21:13] <waigani> hoping to get some tips from thumper for the latter
[21:14] <waigani> oh and find some docs on identity and resources!!
[21:17] <rick_h_> menn0: what's the github-watcher charm?
[21:19] <menn0> rick_h_: it's a demo charm that thumper created ages ago. it received github webhook calls about changes to a github repo and notifies other charms.
[21:19] <rick_h_> menn0: oh, cool yea saw that one
[21:20] <menn0> rick_h_: it's was pretty hacky and I'm cleaning it up and extending it. I'm not sure if it's going to practically useful for anyone but working on it is good for me to get my head around charm development.
[21:21] <rick_h_> menn0: yea cool. I want to charm up https://github.com/juju/jenkins-github-lander one of these days and got curious if your thing related at all or was useful to my needs :)
[21:22] <menn0> rick_h_: github-watcher could possibly be used to trigger jenkins-github-lander but I'm not sure if it would be a good fit without looking at it closer.
[21:22] <rick_h_> menn0: yea, all good
[21:23] <rick_h_> the goal to the lander is to make it work off a post hook from github anyway
[21:23] <rick_h_> so trigger should be from github end automatically
[21:23] <rick_h_> just curious when you mentioned 'github-watcher'
[21:23] <menn0> rick_h_: well that's exactly what github-watcher does so maybe it could be useful?
[21:24] <menn0> rick_h_: i'll let you know when it's "done" so you can have a look
[21:24] <rick_h_> menn0: I think there's a slight overlap in wanting to be hook driven, but aside from that they're very different
[21:24] <rick_h_> menn0: cool thanks
[21:25] <menn0> rick_h_: I suspect you're right
[22:19] <waigani> charm install hook failed. I've fixed the install hook. How do I run the hook again?
[22:20] <waigani> juju destroy-service ... ; juju deploy ... ?
[22:26] <menn0> waigani: that's what I've been doing. you might need to use "juju resolved" a few times before you can remove the service.
[22:26] <waigani> menn0: right, it's just hanging with life: dying
[22:28] <waigani> cool, resolved got rid of the error state - now hopefully it will die ...
[22:38] <waigani> still hanging on dying ...
[22:41] <thumper> juju resolved --retry
[23:01] <waigani> thumper: are we in the normal hangout?
[23:01] <thumper> just setting one up
[23:02] <waigani> it's kinda lonely in here
[23:03] <thumper> waigani: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/onyx-standup
[23:04] <thumper> menn0, davecheney: ^^ too
[23:33] <waigani> davecheney: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/onyx-standup
[23:34] <davecheney> waigani: thanks
[23:34] <davecheney> i'm getting permission denied trying to access thta line
[23:34] <davecheney> can someone invite me to the calendar invite
[23:34] <davecheney> they tend to work better
[23:34] <waigani> thumper: ^
[23:35] <thumper> davecheney: logged in as non-canonical user?
[23:36] <davecheney> nope
[23:36] <davecheney> happens all the time
[23:36] <davecheney> g+ cna't figure out which account to use
[23:36] <thumper> davecheney: invided
[23:40] <davecheney> hang on, still fighting with plugins