[10:23] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stuart Langridge: A UK map made of squares @ https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2020/04/15/a-uk-map-made-of-squares/
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[18:43] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: Screenshot Tour @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=170369 (by Joey Sneddon)
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[00:05] <diegosx> someone can help me?
[00:11] <renato_saron> PUTZ como usa isso ;P
[00:11] <renato_saron> que paleolítico isso ake
[00:11] <renato_saron> uahhuaHUHUuhHU
[00:12] <genii-around> !br | renato_saron
[00:14] <server_> ola boa noite
[00:15] <genii-around> !br | server_
[02:51] <ben__> how do I join a chat?
[03:08] <DarthFrog> !ask | ben__
[03:32] <uglyoldbob> im having a problem installing kubuntu 12.04 on my uefi system (asrock 970 extreme 3)
[03:32] <uglyoldbob> it keeps rebooting and freezing
[03:35] <DarthFrog> uglyoldbob: Does it run OK from CD?
[03:39] <uglyoldbob> DarthFrog: I will try that now
[03:44] <uglyoldbob> DarthFrog: well it appears to run ok from cd
[03:49] <uglyoldbob> error: prefix is not set as an error on booting (from the UEFI i believe)
[03:51] <DarthFrog> Don't know anything about UEFI, sorry.
[03:53] <DarthFrog> uglyoldbob:  Have a gander at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting   Perhaps that'll have the info you need.
[03:58] <uglyoldbob> well it finally got installed and it boots
[04:01] <uglyoldbob> i think the setting i needed was ide mode for sata and uefi boot of the cd drive
[04:01] <DarthFrog> Good stuff, glad to hear it.
[04:02] <uglyoldbob> or the system I just put together is unstable, i think it just froze up
[04:07] <uglyoldbob> 11.6v seems to low for the 12v rail
[04:08] <DarthFrog> That seems unlikely.  400 mV shouldn't make that kind of difference.
[04:09] <uglyoldbob> hmm i cant do the memory test option from grub
[04:45] <uglyoldbob> well i found out my monitor has bad caps
[04:51] <uglyoldbob> how do i make the taskbar different for each virtual desktop?
[04:55]  * ICWiener has to reboot bbiab
[04:59] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: You mean only show what's on that desktop?
[05:03] <uglyoldbob> Daskreech: yes
[05:08] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: Right click on the taskbar -> taskbar settings -> Show only from Desktop
[05:09] <uglyoldbob> ok thanks, i looked everywhere except there
[05:09] <uglyoldbob> or rather, many places other than there
[05:16] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: Well glad you got it working
[05:16] <Daskreech> You cna play with a lot of stuff in there
[05:16] <Daskreech> (as is usual for KDE settings dialogs)
[05:21] <uglyoldbob> ok joy my comp keeps freezing up
[05:21] <Daskreech> \o/
[05:21] <Daskreech> Joy all around
[05:43] <uglyoldbob> ok so when it locks up, the sound output is all noise (real loud)
[06:05] <skreech__> uglyoldbob: the sound gets louder when it locked up?
[06:23] <uglyoldbob> skreech__: well it only did the sound thing one time, but i can reliably make it freeze/reboot with "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:26] <skreech__> uglyoldbob: really?
[06:26] <skreech__> in konsole?
[06:26] <skreech__> that's the GUI?
[06:27] <skreech__> or does it freeze in a tty as well?
[06:28] <uglyoldbob> skreech__: ill check (i think its some bad hardware, even though its all brand new)
[06:30] <uglyoldbob> ctrl_alt_f1 for tty?
[06:38] <uglyoldbob> the whole system crashes/reboots (I run the command from a bash shell running in kde
[06:49] <uglyoldbob> i think perhaps my motherboard picked a speed slightly too fast for my ram (i changed it to the right value and it SEEMS to work so far)
[07:04] <baffone85> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on my notebook compaq mini
[07:05] <baffone85> i have a problem with wireless, can you help me?
[07:08] <uglyoldbob> baffone85: what model?
[07:10] <baffone85> i don't know beacuse there isn't a picture, what can i do to know it?
[07:10] <baffone85> on display there is only compaq mini
[07:11]  * DFrostedWang is going to sleep now
[07:16] <baffone85> i think compaq mini s110
[07:35] <baffone85> can you help me?
[07:36] <SteveRiley> @baffone85: what's up?
[07:37] <baffone85> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on my notebook compaq mini, i have a problem with wireless
[07:37] <baffone85> i have compaq mini s110
[07:37] <SteveRiley> what kind of wireless adapter is in a mini s110?
[07:39] <baffone85> what can i see it?
[07:40] <SteveRiley> open a konsole window
[07:40] <SteveRiley> run lsusb
[07:40] <SteveRiley> copy the output here
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:21b4 Broadcom Corp.
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:43] <FloodBotK1> baffone85: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:43] <baffone85> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1fea:0047
[07:43] <baffone85> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115154/
[07:44] <SteveRiley> ugh, broadcom wireless... never fun. hold on
[07:46] <baffone85> what can i solve this problem?
[07:50] <SteveRiley> oops. wrong command
[07:51] <SteveRiley> run lspci
[07:51] <SteveRiley> then put in a new paste
[07:54] <baffone85> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115165/
[08:00] <SteveRiley> have you tried the utility that installs additional drivers?
[08:01] <baffone85> yes but without internet it not work
[08:03] <SteveRiley> you will need to use a wired ethernet connection to install the drivers
[08:04] <baffone85> i haven't wired ethernet
[08:05] <SteveRiley> what? there's no ethernet port on your mini?
[08:07] <baffone85> i haven't a possibility to connect with wired ethernet
[08:09] <TheMiner> trying to install wireless drivers?
[08:09] <SteveRiley> then i really don't know how to guide you, as i've not had to work through that particular problem myself.
[08:10] <SteveRiley> theminer: yeah, baffone85 has broadcom wifi, needs the wl driver, but no ethernet to use to download/install it via jockey
[08:11] <TheMiner> then will need to use another pc to download it and put it on a USB drive
[08:12] <SteveRiley> yup
[08:14] <SteveRiley> i wonder if somewhere on ubuntu forums there might already be a post from someone who's done it that way, and would have step-by-step instructions. worth taking a few minutes to search, i'd think
[08:15] <TheMiner> what is the specific adapter and what version of Ubuntu is he running?
[08:16] <SteveRiley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115165/
[08:16] <SteveRiley> ubuntu = 10.04
[08:16] <SteveRiley> system = compaq/hp mini s110
[08:18] <TheMiner> which installation media was used to install Ubuntu?
[08:19] <SteveRiley> i don't know. baffone85, are you still here?
[08:23] <TheMiner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9263039#post9263039
[08:23] <TheMiner> There is the step by step if he ever comes back online
[08:23] <TheMiner> Best of luck
[08:24] <baffone85> thank's for help
[08:25] <TheMiner> np
[08:25] <TheMiner> If you could somehow find a place where you could jack in with ethernet it would be a lot easier
[08:26] <TheMiner> The issue is not with your wireless adapter,..it is actually with you wired which is causing a glitch with your wireless
[08:27] <SteveRiley> baffone mentioned using wired ethernet isn't an option.
[08:29] <TheMiner> Yeah I saw that,..is too bad,...would be knocking on someones door if I had to lol
[08:30] <TheMiner> time for bed,...early day tomorrow
[08:30] <TheMiner> nite everyone
[08:31] <SteveRiley> nighty night
[09:54] <fmmy> asdf
[09:54] <fmmy> df
[09:54] <fmmy> f
[09:54] <fmmy> f
[09:54] <FloodBotK1> fmmy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:01] <aziz> hey guys, is there some software which can turn my laptop wlan into an access point?
[10:02] <bazhang> !ics | aziz
[10:02] <aziz> bazhang: thanks very much!
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:09] <kubuntu> ciao
[11:09] <kubuntu> !list
[12:56] <livingdaylight> hia
[12:56] <livingdaylight> looking in muon I see a thousand and one versions of java. Which is the openjdk7 version I need?
[12:58] <Ossido> Hello. I have a problem, maybe you can help me.
[12:59] <Ossido> I have the last Kubuntu on my laptop. And eveything was fine until yesterday
[12:59] <Ossido> Yesterday I did one of the automatic updates
[12:59] <Ossido> and now I cannot log in
[12:59] <sally> and?
[13:00] <sally> ouch
[13:00] <Ossido> the login manager hanges right after login
[13:00] <Ossido> also with a newly-created user
[13:00] <sally> try with te sudo command
[13:00] <Ossido> try what?
[13:01] <sally> have you root account?
[13:01] <Ossido> there is no root account...
[13:01] <sally> in the terminal, try su -root
[13:02] <Ossido> ...
[13:02] <Ossido> "invalid option"
[13:03] <Ossido> I think it's some problem with screen resolution/graphic cards, not permissions
[13:03] <sally> i tink is  a kernel
[13:03] <sally> a
[13:04] <Ossido> I tried selecting a previous version at boot, but it's the same
[13:04] <sally> try reboot
[13:04] <Ossido> sure
[13:04] <Ossido> and?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  did youtry the recovery kernel ?
[13:04] <Ossido> hmm, no, I did not
[13:04] <Ossido> I'll try now
[13:05] <Ossido> 3.2.0-27-generic (recovery mode)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> choose the repair broken packages dialog
[13:06] <Ossido> it wants to install 10 new packages
[13:06] <Ossido> I go on
[13:06] <Ossido> ok, done
[13:07] <Ossido> resumed normal boot
[13:08] <k0s> Всем привет
[13:08] <BluesKaj> !ru
[13:10] <Ossido> hmm
[13:10] <Ossido> So, now the login manager tells me "failed to load session "gnome""
[13:11] <Ossido> and I don't see a KDE option
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  are you on ubuntu ? if so then join #ubuntu chat for support
[13:11] <Ossido> Kubuntu
[13:12] <Ossido> I've always and only used Kde and Kubuntu for years
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Ossido: ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 , login , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:13] <Ossido> oh
[13:14] <Ossido> I was missing kubuntu-desktop
[13:14] <Ossido> this is so strange
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  installing kde doesn't include the kubuntu-desktop
[13:15] <BluesKaj> kde is a framework for many differnt OS desktops
[13:16] <Ossido> ok, but this is a kubuntu that I installed moths ago and has worked perfectly well
[13:16] <Ossido> well, anyway :)
[13:17] <Ossido> Ok, it's logging in
[13:18] <Ossido> Thank you very much
[13:18] <Ossido> I was stumped
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  np
[13:21] <livingdaylight> hi BluesKaj
[13:22] <jdrs> Anyone using the facebook widget here?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> hi livingdaylight
[13:23] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: i'm back :s
[13:24] <allix> hello
[13:24] <allix> has anyone tried kubuntu-active?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> allix:  dunno , i don't use a tablet
[13:26] <livingdaylight> can we make it so, that as mouse hovers over menu we dont' have to click on it ? for e.g. if I want to see what is in utilitities i can just go there with my mouse without having to click on it
[13:27] <jdrs> Works on tabs only, methinks.
[13:28] <jdrs> Or how about you use Classic Menu Style.
[13:28] <allix> okay, its just when i get a blank screen with the mouse cursor only , i have tried nomodeset in grub
[13:29] <jdrs> It's more like the gnome shell style menu button.
[13:30] <jdrs> livingdaylight: Use Classic Menu style. It works that way.
[13:31] <livingdaylight> jdrs: not possible to have best of both worlds? I thought kde was infinitely configurable? ;p
[13:32] <livingdaylight> jdrs: but at least a way IS possible, thank you.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> been trying ubuntu lately , unity is aqful and gnome still doesn't do what I like , what's the the terminal permanentlay attcahed to upper left withot resizie or movable options?
[13:34] <jdrs> livingdaylight: If you want to stick with the default application launcher then try pinning all the Utility programs in Favorites.
[13:34] <jdrs> ..that you use
[13:35] <BluesKaj> what's with the terminal
[13:36] <BluesKaj> anyway . I don't use it much , and I'll probly delete it soon
[13:37] <jdrs> That's weird. I can move mine, and even resize it.
[13:40] <livingdaylight> hrmm.. why is konsole in system and not in utilities?
[13:42] <jdrs> Both classic and default have their konsole in systems tab.
[13:42] <Jekyll> livingdaylight: because FDO suggests terminal emulators should go under the "System" category
[13:43] <livingdaylight> Jekyll: who is FDO? coming from gnome i expect it under accessories which utilitites sounds like   the equivalent
[13:44] <jdrs> In the default application launcher you can pin your favorite programs on Favorites tab. Then sort them to your liking.
[13:46] <Jekyll> livingdaylight: FDO is freedekstop.org. gnome-terminal is just not doing it in the suggested way.
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[13:51] <livingdaylight> hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> livingdaylight: hi
[13:52] <livingdaylight> is anyone familiar with command winetricks vcrun6?
[13:52] <livingdaylight> I used to run that after installing wine   in gnome and it always did what I needed it to
[13:52] <bazhang> livingdaylight, try in #winehq
[13:53] <livingdaylight> but, I@m getting this now in kubuntu: http://clip2net.com/s/29O4C
[13:58] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight:  does it work in gnome ?
[14:02] <zvzz> dear all, ive a small question re additional drivers - googleing dint help too much. id appreciate a lot if anyone give a hint. i have 16 drivers listed in additional drivers as activated but not in use. i have kubunutu 11.10 and 4.8.2 from backports. eveything seem to work, though not quite as fast as i wish it did. even desktop effects (though not smooth at all). thanks indeed!
[14:03] <zvzz> sorry for typos
[14:06] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  which hardware drivers are you looking to use or activate?
[14:06] <zvzz> these 16 drivers are for all sorts of things, from USB to video
[14:07] <zvzz> well i had none in that list before.. now there are many.
[14:07] <zvzz> so im thinking should i worry or just leave it alone as long as the computer .. well ... seem to work.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  ok let's start with graphics , give us an example
[14:08] <zvzz> moment :)
[14:10] <zvzz> these are drivers http://clip2net.com/s/29Oca and this is lspci http://clip2net.com/s/29Ocy
[14:14] <BluesKaj> zvzz: sudo lshw -C video
[14:15] <zvzz> here. http://clip2net.com/s/29Of5
[14:16] <livingdaylight> Downloading http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/update/1/w9xnt4/en-us/vc6redistsetup_enu.exe failed
[14:16] <livingdaylight>
[14:16] <livingdaylight> i  could try to wget this directly?
[14:17] <livingdaylight> is it simply wget followed by http address?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  I don't see a radeon/ati reference there , have you set the default graphics card in the bios
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:18] <zvzz> BluesKaj: well i guess i have nothing from radeion/ati
[14:19] <zvzz> it is presumably the motherboard-buil-in card
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yes, did you install an ati pci card , zvzz?
[14:19] <zvzz> no
[14:20] <zvzz> the video cable goes to the 'standard' slot at the back of the PC, there is no any additional PCI cards in there
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ok zvzz , sorry I got confused , was mixing my supports
[14:23] <zvzz> i have changed the monitor today but i guess it shouldnt matter. i have also dist-upgraded KDE from backports - but i assume driver problems are not connected to that, neither..
[14:23] <zvzz> blueskaj, thanks a lot for your time anyway ;)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> zv  it would be better if you pastebin the text , noit the screenshot
[14:24] <BluesKaj> zvzz: ^
[14:24] <zvzz> i would upgrade to 12.04 but this PC holds a sensitive project and should work stable
[14:25] <zvzz> when I try to pase text the Koversation warns that I threat the channel with flooding
[14:25] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | zvzz
[14:26] <zvzz> ok thanks
[14:26] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  anyway it looks like you have the best drivers installed for your system
[14:27] <zvzz> last time i used irc 18 years ago
[14:27] <zvzz> hm, ok.. thanks a lot. so i shouldnt worry.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  you can do some research , but ti appears there are not other graphics drivers listed that would improve things
[14:30] <BluesKaj> no other
[14:30] <zvzz> thanks indeed BluesKaj :)
[14:57] <dmitry-RV520> русскоговорящие есть?
[14:58] <livingdaylight> for the record does anyone know whether winetricks vcrun6 works or should work in KDE, kubuntu specifically?
[15:33] <Rafael> hello! I want to install the spanish language spell-checker. When I go to system settings and the to locale -> system languages I can only install spanish translations
[15:34] <Rafael> any tip?
[15:42] <BadDesign> How to re-enable KDE Network Manager after it was disabled when I configure my PPPoE connection ?
[15:42] <BadDesign> I want use it again for non-PPPoE connections but I can't enable it
[15:42] <BadDesign> I used pppoeconf command to configure PPPoE
[15:46] <BadDesign> Anyone?
[16:10] <livingdaylight> ded quiet here
[16:12] <BluesKaj> well, I dumped ubuntu ... I gave it a chance for 2 weeks but none of the desktops made me want to go back to it.
[16:12] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj:  so no Kubuntu for you?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> guess I'm just a dyed in the wool KDE guy
[16:14] <BluesKaj> kubuntu yes , ...ubuntu no , that's what i mean , TheLordOfTime
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> just checking ;P
[16:16]  * BluesKaj understands why the migration to kubuntu is increasing
[16:17] <Rafael> hello! I want to install the spanish language spell-checker. When I go to system settings and the to locale -> system languages I can only install spanish translations but no spell check
[16:17] <Rafael> am I missing something?
[16:18] <Smurphy> u installed ispell ???
[16:18] <BluesKaj> one thing I should warn ppl about , if you try to resize a partition on a separate HDD with the kubuntu parttion manager,  beware it'll break grub
[16:18] <Rafael> hmm not sure, the English spell check works
[16:31] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: i'm kinda opposite. I keep trying kde
[16:57] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Which is why Linux is great :)
[16:58] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: meh :/
[16:59] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Try Windows 8 and don't like it and you pretty much have to stick with it in a few years anyway
[16:59] <Daskreech> !info ispanish | Rafael
[16:59] <Daskreech> Linux usually gives you enough choices to freeze the mind and very little cost for switching between them
[17:00] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I'm not feeling at home anywhere in gnu/linux os world
[17:01] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: What's the issues?
[17:02] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: Used to use and love Ubuntu or Gnome if you will... but Unity isn't functional for me, so, try kubuntu but its not home. I find it ugly tbh
[17:02] <Rafael> thanks Daskreech, I did just that. Had to restart Kmail to make it work
[17:03] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Have you tried MATE?
[17:03] <Daskreech> Rafael: Ok Good :)
[17:04] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: By Gnome I presume you meant GNOME2 ?
[17:05] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: yes, I did... can't remember which distro though, lol. but is that the way forward, when developmentally gnome2 isn't carrying on, is it?
[17:06] <livingdaylight> I'm ok with change and evolution, and i'm not a unity hater. its just it feels unstable and isn't quite giving me the functionality.
[17:07] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: idealogically there are two ways forward. There is a fork of GNOME2 which keeps developers or a fork of GNOME3 which has the intention of keeping GNOME2 features
[17:07] <Daskreech> Either works with caveats of course
[17:08] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I like the sound of GNOME3 keeping GNOME2 features. my understanding is that gnome 3 from a developers point of view IS the way forward
[17:08] <Daskreech> the danger is not so much that "GNOME2" isn't being worked on. If the fork is worked on then it's fine. The danger is more that Gtk2 isn't being worked on
[17:08] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: In that case look at Cinammon
[17:09] <Daskreech> I think... let me just make sure I have those projects correct in my head
[17:11] <livingdaylight> the danger if it is a danger, certainly my complaint, regarding "choice" which you mentioned, as much as its Linux's strength is also its weakness. I fear too much energy goes into duplication of efforts, and linux ends up being jack of all trades master of none. Linux land doesn't need another distro or fork-off development of a distro... It needs focus . After all collaboration is also Linux 's strength, and
[17:11] <livingdaylight> sometimes I wish we had 2, 3, 4, 5 REALLY good distros rather than +100 that are all a constant work in progress
[17:12] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Why not just one distro then?
[17:12] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: i read a MATE vs Cinnamon article recently that spoke of the pros and cons of each also from a developmental point of view
[17:14] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: errr...well, I used to, but since I feel forced to make a change I can't settle on a different one. I tried kubuntu, in fact have jrest reinstalled it on my desktoop, and also chakra (to see a different kde distro and coz I like the sound of rollin distro) and Deepin (gnome shell) voyager (xubuntu fork-off) and considering trying Bodhi on laptop
[17:15] <livingdaylight> I was dismayed to run into a problem today post kubuntu install running winetricks vcrun6 which I'be running for years to finetune my wine installation
[17:16] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: oh? What's the issue with that?
[17:17] <livingdaylight> otherwise i find kubuntu or kde 4.x.x beautiful to log into with the plasma look, but underneath all the configuration setting dialogs , the menu and the way apps like firefox in kde is not aethetically pleasing, imho.
[17:18] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: got some error when I did, I@ve logged in and out now too many times to be able to show you. It wsan't connecting to microzoft server i believe, for some reason
[17:19] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: ok let me try it now
[17:24] <Daskreech> Yep broken
[17:24] <Daskreech> That's fixable though
[17:24] <Daskreech> MS moved the file it seems
[17:28] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/Update/1/W9XNT4/EN-US/VC6RedistSetup_enu.exe there you go
[17:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: They changed the name of the file and the directory it was in
[17:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: if you'd like you can poke someone in #winehq and ask they update the script
[17:33] <Daskreech> Actually that file is missing as well
[17:34] <Daskreech> Hmm foiled again
[17:34] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: ooops, I was about to say congrats
[17:35] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I can fix it in other ways :) It's looking for a msvcp60.dll file which I can find
[17:35] <livingdaylight> sounds like something that would have happend on any othre distro too though. Must be a recent change as I only ran that successfully a few days ago
[17:35] <Daskreech>  I just want to see if MS really has all the documentation to use vc6 on their site with no actual way to use it
[17:36] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I'd guess so they still have all the tutorials on MSDN pointing to one of those two URLs
[17:36] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: no, don't worry about it. the file I needed was mfc42 and I was able to find it and physically copy and paste it along with other fonts into the wine/windows directory myself.
[17:37] <livingdaylight> vcrun6 was just the simpler, "elegant" way of doing it. i feared it was somehow kubunt related that it didn't work today, but its clearly not a WM or distro-specific issue
[17:38] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: You can use http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/Update/2/W9XNT4/EN-US/VC6RedistSetup_deu.exe
[17:38] <Daskreech> that works
[17:38] <Daskreech> still requires a little work. MS changed the package it seems
[17:38] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: so, if I pop over to winehq and suggest that this is the working one, then they can update it, huh?
[17:39] <Daskreech> not sure what the deu is for <_<
[17:39] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: it's winehq. They probably have it updated already :)
[17:39] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: Deutschland?
[17:39] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: can't hurt though. check over there and see what they say
[17:39] <livingdaylight> well, earlier when I did go in winehq to ask abou tit, they didn't seem to be aware about it
[17:40] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Ah. Astute
[17:40] <Daskreech> Ok lets hop over there then
[17:50] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: thanks amigo
[17:50] <Daskreech> sure :)
[17:51] <livingdaylight> I hope that helps them and everyone out.
[17:53] <livingdaylight> does kubuntu come with an equivalent to gparted by default? Need to reformat usb to fat32 unless there is a wardly way of doing it via command line
[17:54] <chronos> hello people. I'm trying to install kde telepathy 4 (http://www.kubuntu.org/ktp-0.4) but after installing ppa and update I can't find packages from ppa
[17:55] <chronos> someone have ideas/
[17:55] <chronos> ?
[18:09] <Daskreech> !info partitionmanager | livingdaylight
[18:10] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: found it - thanks :)
[18:11] <livingdaylight> but unetbootin isn't playing nice. keeps saying I need to mount usb first and suggesting I remove it and reinsert it, which I've done twice now, having reformatted it too
[18:11] <Daskreech> chronos: kde-telepathy
[18:12] <livingdaylight> ok, done
[18:13] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: in one youtube review  I heard mention one can make a global menu in kde also. Said he'd give links as to how to, but actually didn't. Do you know anything about this?
[18:16] <Daskreech> yesish
[18:16] <Daskreech> I've never done it since KDE3 but there is one ...
[18:18] <livingdaylight> ok
[18:18] <rork> livingdaylight: with global menu, you mean a menu on a panel rather then the window right?
[18:19] <livingdaylight> rork: not sure what you mean by rather than the window. Global Menu integrates an applications menu panel to the panel at the top, like in Ubuntu or on Apples
[18:21] <poetic_algebra> xbar is apparently one
[18:21] <poetic_algebra> but it only works with qt apps
[18:21] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: that's what he means. Most windowing systems have the menus tied to the window instead of the deskspace
[18:22] <rork> livingdaylight: you're looking for the 'window menu' widget then, you can add that to a panel
[18:23] <livingdaylight> rork: cool, I'll give that a whirl later
[18:24] <livingdaylight> poetic_algebra: that would be fine. In Unity not All apps integrate either, but increasingly more and more do. What I like about it, is that it leaves more screenestate as it is one strip less.
[18:27] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: are you going to file a bug on the winetricks?
[18:28] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: yes.
[18:28] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: have you already?
[18:28] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I had a look but need to register so i can log in... so, postponed it as I was doing other things as well already
[18:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: ?? I don't think you have to register
[18:29] <Daskreech> Well I'll find out in a second
[18:29] <livingdaylight> says 'login' at top. Most sites with that usually require it
[18:29] <Daskreech> Oh never mind it's using my gmail account as a login
[18:30] <Daskreech> Curse you google and your useful invading ways!
[18:30] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: do you want to log it? You'll be better and quicker at communiting what they need to know.
[18:30] <livingdaylight> you got that techy lingo down :)
[18:33] <Daskreech> I'm about to hit submit
[18:33] <shadeslayer> chronos: \o
[18:33] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: brilliant - i'll read it then
[18:42] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: http://code.google.com/p/winetricks/issues/detail?id=237
[18:44] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: absolutely brilliant
[18:56] <paolina> buona serata a tutti
[18:57] <paolina> qualcuno mi spiega come si usa sto programma
[18:57] <Unit193> !it
[19:02] <livingdaylight> ciao paolina
[19:02] <paolina> ciao
[19:02] <paolina> ma non sono nel canale dove si scrive inglese?
[19:03] <paolina> mai usato sto programma
[19:03] <livingdaylight> no parla tropo italiano
[19:03] <livingdaylight> si, en este canale deve scrivire inglese
[19:04] <livingdaylight> escrive: < /join ##ubuntu-it >
[19:04] <livingdaylight> !it | paolina
[19:05] <livingdaylight> paolina: mi piaggio italiano, me non parlare bastanto bene :)
[19:38] <olskolirc> Let's all toll the bell for Kubuntu 12.04
[19:41] <Daskreech> olskolirc: Hmm?
[19:48] <Daskreech> haha http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ ran me through some questions and said We suggest you use Kubuntu
[19:53] <genii-around> Daskreech: I notice the copyright date is last year
[19:54] <paolina> #ubuntu-it
[20:28] <olskolirc> Canonical said they are not supporting the Kubuntu Desktop financially anymore  as of 12.04 being the last Kubuntu distribution
[20:28]  * olskolirc thinks she put it nicely
[21:19] <Daskreech> olskolirc: Ah well that's not as big a deal as people seem to think
[21:25] <olskolirc> does that mean no more Kubuntu-Desktops Daskreech ?
[21:25] <Daskreech> olskolirc: No it will still be here.
[21:25] <Daskreech>  They were paying a developer to work on Kubuntu
[21:26] <Daskreech> They are not paying him anymore but they are still hosting the packages and doing the build work as well as doing the bug reports etc
[21:26] <olskolirc> good.
[21:26] <Daskreech>  The developer went to a new company who is paying him to do the same thing he did before so for pretty much most things nothing has changed
[21:28] <rork> I thought that what changed is that Kubuntu/KDE now has two paid developers instead of 1 ;)
[21:29] <Quintasan> rork: We have more...do we? :P
[21:32] <rork> I don't know, I only heard Blue System is now paying the guy from Cannonical and also hired Aurélien
[21:44] <dougpad> Hello
[21:51] <Daskreech> dougpad: hi
[22:41] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: they have commited a fix for the winetricks
[22:41] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, awesome - that was quick!
[22:42] <Daskreech> :-) One of the fun parts of an open system is being able to actually speak freely and get things done.
[22:44] <livingdaylight> :)
[22:44] <livingdaylight> its empowering feeling to be able to speak and get (instant) feedback
[22:44] <livingdaylight> nice one
[22:48] <Daskreech>  I remember that i was using Pidgin née gaim and it had a new release. I downloaded it and found something broken. It didn't make sense to me that it wouldn't work so I pulled the changes up and say some code that looked like it should work but did nothing. Dropped into the IRC chan and started discussing it. They found the non working section tracked it to another change based on what I was seeing happen and then issued a new version the morning after.
[22:49] <Daskreech> Consider me hooked after years of being annoyed by thing in Dos and Windows that I can't ever get resolved
[22:51] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, indeed. Don't get me wrong I'm a lover of Freedom and Free Software
[22:51] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I know it's just really addicting when it works correctly :)
[22:52] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, also when one has some coding skillz
[22:52] <livingdaylight> I'm just a supporter and advocate of FSF and open-source
[22:52] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: then it's just silly considering other things unless your goal is to fleece :)
[22:55] <kubuntu> hi
[22:59] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, that fleecing shit's got to go :)
[23:02] <Daskreech> !ohmy
[23:02] <Daskreech> But yes
[23:05] <livingdaylight> ;)
[23:07] <livingdaylight> I was adapting a jacque fresco quote where he says: "...this s***'s got to go" referring to our entire socio-economic paradigm
[23:09] <Daskreech> Yeah I've been saying that since 2nd year of High school
[23:09] <Daskreech>  Good luck with that
[23:10] <Daskreech> Most people don't even understand it so forget critiquing it much less coming up with a suitable long term paradigm
[23:31] <nobodhi> Daskreech, is there a distro that you know of that specializes in running optimally on laptops?
[23:38] <Daskreech> nobodhi: What would be the constraints of a laptop?
[23:46] <nobodhi> Daskreech, my laptop runs on the hot side, and from what I've read linux has / has had issues running optimally on laptops. By optimally, i mean power, cpu-temp sensors . I'm not sure - not techy enough. but when I bought this laptops i chose it because it ran particularly cool on windows
[23:47] <Daskreech> nobodhi: ah fair enough I'll take a look
[23:47] <Daskreech> nobodhi: THough you could ask in ##linux
[23:48] <nobodhi> Daskreech, sure, i was just asking like that in case you knew off the top of your head. *bunto seems best generally when it comes to hard-ware detection and laptops but in general like
[23:50] <Daskreech> Yeah it's strange since you want one that doesn't tax the computer but you also want one that has newer code totake advantage of power savings on CPU and GPU
[23:53] <nobodhi> I've always gone for bells and whistles - aethetically pleasing distros Gnome /Kde but figured i'd compromise by going for a 'lighter' distro like xfce, but have found that it doesn't work like that. in fact kubuntu ran cooler on this laptop than voyager (french fork based on xubuntu)


[10:55] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:52] <icey> ahoy
[15:19] <waltman> I may be building a new linux server this week. Which ubuntu do I want?
[15:20] <waltman> Do I want desktop or server? I'm assuming it's like debian in that this is just to get me started, and then I can install whatever I want later on.
[15:21] <icey> waltman: 16.04 Server
[15:21] <waltman> I'm thinking I'll go stock to start off with. If I decide I hate unity (or whatever the stock desktop is these days) and want to switch to, say, xubuntu, how hard is it to switch?
[15:21] <icey> fairly easy
[15:21] <waltman> Nice
[15:21] <icey> I have 17.04 desktop installed curently on my l;aptop
[15:21] <icey> but I'm running i3
[15:21] <waltman> what's i3?
[15:22] <icey> installing a different desktop environment (i3, gnome3, kde, ...) just adds a menu entry to the login screen that lets you login with that option
[15:22] <icey> i3 is a tiling window manager
[15:22] <waltman> ah
[15:23] <waltman> I've got a box that's at least 11 years old, and it's been running debian testing all this time. It's become a complete mess.
[15:28] <waltman> Over the weekend I tried to fix a relatively minor package dependency issue and created a major problem.
[15:28] <icey> ha
[15:28] <waltman> I've got it stable, but at this point it's not worth trying to fix it.
[15:29] <waltman> Is ubuntu systemd now?
[15:32] <pleia2> it is
[15:40] <waltman> That was one of the things that apt-get wanted to install for me on Saturday :)
[15:40] <waltman> Note to self: don't mix aptitude and apt-get.
[15:40] <icey> waltman: ;-)
[15:42] <waltman> Another question -- how easy is it to upgrade to the next point release? That used to be a nightmare in red hat, and was a big reason why I was running debian-testing.
[15:42] <icey> waltman: 2 weeks ago I took it from 16.04 (last LTS) through 17.04 (next release, coming out in April) in less than 2 hours?
[15:42] <waltman> But after 11 years I've got tons of package conflicts that are basically impossible to fix.
[15:43] <waltman> That seems like a long time. Did you run into any problems?
[15:43] <icey> most of it was waiting on packages to download and u pdate
[15:43] <icey> 17.04 is curently the daily build so lots of changes from 16.10
[15:44] <waltman> nod
[15:44] <waltman> I've been afraid to update my linode from 12.04.5 for fear of breaking things.
[15:45] <jthan> I feel like if you'd just done upgrades as time went on you wouldn't need to have any fear..
[15:46] <jthan> why not 12.04->14.04 before now? Unless your Linode is running something SO important you couldn't have any downtime at all
[15:47] <waltman> I have a complicated email setup that I didn't want to break.
[15:48] <waltman> Also it's working fine as it is, so I didn't see much benefit in upgrading.
[15:49] <jthan> Well, I wouldn't go 12.04->17.x or whatever the latest LTS is
[15:49] <jthan> I'd go to 14.04
[15:50] <jthan> but.. I haven't used Ubuntu in awhile. Last I recall that was the recommendation though
[15:50] <waltman> Every time I login it reminds me that 14.04.1 is available :)
[15:50]  * jthan fortunately/unfortunately works in a redhat shop now
[15:50] <waltman> so if I did "do-release-upgrade", that's what I'd get
[15:50] <jthan> The upgrade process seems pretty sturdy though. I doubt of all the things to break your email would be the thing to go.
[15:54] <waltman> My other consideration is that when I set it up 4 years ago I used a 32-bit install, and I'd really like to have it be 64 bits. But that will require more work.
[15:54] <waltman> I think I need to spin up a new linode for that.
[15:55] <waltman> Tha was the recommendation of linode folks I talked to at some conferences.
[18:32] <L3gacy> Hai
[18:32] <jthan> \o
[18:34] <L3gacy> \o/
[18:35] <L3gacy> wassup?  I'm trying to offload a Dell PE 860 and a dell PE 2900 :)
[18:35] <jthan> I'm not local or I'd totally consider
[18:35] <L3gacy> :)
[18:36] <L3gacy> The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :)
[18:37] <paden> Rack servers?
[18:37] <jthan> Lol
[18:37] <r00t^2> L3gacy: i'd be interested
[18:37] <paden> L3gacy: I'm interested as well.
[18:37] <L3gacy> 2900 is a tower server
[18:37] <paden> You should totally give it to me over r00t^2.
[18:37] <jthan> L3gacy: make them fight to the death
[18:38] <L3gacy> With Pickup, I'm asking $775 for the PE2900
[18:38] <paden> ....
[18:38] <L3gacy> oops
[18:38] <L3gacy> $75
[18:38] <L3gacy> lol
[18:38] <paden> how much for the...
[18:38] <paden> Specs?
[18:38] <L3gacy> bad keyboard!    Summbeech is heavy, and I can't lift it due to diminished lung function
[20:24] <L3gacy> Asthma/COPD
[20:24] <paden> Ah, gotcha.
[20:25] <paden> Hmmm
[20:26] <paden> What Xeons?
[20:26] <L3gacy> E series 5Ks
[20:26] <L3gacy> I can check on power up once I find a VGA cable
[20:26]  * L3gacy loks under couch
[20:26] <L3gacy> *looks, even
[20:27] <L3gacy> OOOH!  Cheetos!
[20:27] <L3gacy> >.>
[20:27] <waltman> nom nom
[20:28] <paden> L3gacy: does it have all the disk sleds?
[20:28] <L3gacy> jgq63g1 serial
[20:28] <L3gacy> looking now
[20:28] <L3gacy> 4 sleds
[20:28] <paden> 4 sleds?
[20:28] <paden> Hmmmm
[20:29] <paden> That sounds like a pretty good deal.
[20:30] <L3gacy> E5405 2.00Ghz Quad Core 12MB cache Xeons
[20:30] <L3gacy> :)
[20:31] <paden> Thanks.
[20:31] <L3gacy> Still has the server 2003 sticker :)
[20:31] <L3gacy> yw
[20:32] <paden> Oh, nice.
[20:32] <L3gacy> 8GB tho :)
[20:32] <L3gacy> And my web server is being pulled offline in a week
[20:32] <L3gacy> ffs..
[20:32] <L3gacy> Time to put my 860 back in service here
[20:33] <paden> The ram isn't an issue.
[20:33] <L3gacy> cool beans
[20:38] <L3gacy> I also have a 146GB 15k for it
[20:39] <paden> Yeah, I saw that.
[20:39] <paden> SATA or SAS?
[20:39] <paden> Or?
[20:39] <L3gacy> 146 SAS, 250 SATA
[20:39] <paden> Interesting.
[20:40] <icey> L3gacy: what size disks can it take?
[20:40] <L3gacy> brb
[20:40] <L3gacy> 2tv each
[20:40] <L3gacy> tb
[20:41] <paden> Just 2TB?
[20:41] <L3gacy> per slot
[20:41] <paden> Right.
[20:41] <paden> Interesting.
[20:41] <L3gacy> can  do more if you get 8087 to 7474 cables and a new SAS card
[20:42] <L3gacy> 8484* not 7474
[20:42] <paden> Ah, ok.
[20:42] <paden> What's the upper limit with the cable?
[20:42] <L3gacy> 10tb a sled
[20:43] <paden> Ah, gotcha.
[20:43] <L3gacy> be back in a bit
[20:43] <L3gacy> # is<PHONE_NUMBER>
[20:43] <L3gacy> heading out for a sec
[20:43] <L3gacy> :)
[22:16] <L3gacy> so back :)


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <popey> Morning.
[08:11] <nigelb> Good Morning popey, dholbach!
[08:11] <nigelb> A Friday!
[08:11] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[12:16] <cjohnston> popey: ping
[12:16] <popey> cjohnston pongs
[12:17] <cjohnston> popey: so status is fixed for the future.. I'm not sure about fixing the past two days tho
[12:17] <popey> heh
[12:17] <popey> its fine for now, i only care about the future
[12:17] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:20] <popey> thanks!
[16:10] <dholbach> all right my friends - weekend time - see you on monday! :)
[17:43] <elfy> popey: just read your mail to the council - I've replied to you
[18:50] <popey> elfy: thanks
[18:52] <elfy> not hugely helpful atm - can't actually find the account in question, but have a look when you've time and see what I've said
[18:59] <popey> will do


[06:22] <elkingrey> Umm, my server appears to be operating very sluggishly. Can someone help me figure out if my server is thrashing
[14:03] <wanfuse> hello ... i havent had much experience with bind in many years. I need to setup a dns server (external facing) for a couple web server entries. Anyone able to point me to a good doc on setting this up. I would like to make sure its secure.
[14:03] <wanfuse> i have a seperate IP address (external) for pointing to the dns server
[15:20] <wanfuse> hello ... i havent had much experience with bind in many years. I need to setup a dns server (external facing) for a couple web server entries. Anyone able to point me to a good doc on setting this up. I would like to make sure its secure. so if the directions contain setting it up in a chroot all the better
[15:25] <TheLordOfTime> !bind
[15:25] <TheLordOfTime> bleh
[15:26] <TheLordOfTime> i assume this has some data then...
[15:26] <TheLordOfTime> !dns
[15:26] <TheLordOfTime> not sure though
[15:26] <TheLordOfTime> you may be looking for bind9 setupd docs.
[15:39] <qman__> actually that just about covers it
[15:39] <qman__> follow that guide first, then if you're still concerned, look for something on security tips and go from there
[15:40] <qman__> but ubuntu sandboxes bind out of the box with apparmor, and has good defaults
[16:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1093647 in amavisd-new (main) "package amavisd-new-postfix 1:2.6.5-0ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093647
[18:04] <Thorn> hello
[18:04] <Thorn> my 10.04 server refused to boot, I booted with previous kernel and found no initrd for the latest kernel. is there a way to recreate it manually?
[18:14] <aarcane> Merry Christmas and Happy Miscelaneous Other Holidays!
[18:43] <petersaints> I have a server running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with 4 disks in RAID5 using mdadm. I'd like to eventually upgrade it to 12.04, and of course I have backups for all important data. However I'm afraid that the upgrade may break the RAID and since this is a headless server that I don't have easy physical access to I'd just like to know if this kind of upgrade is USUALLY smooth or if it known to cause problems. I'm not looking for an
[18:43] <petersaints> absolute answer just what is most common from your experience.


[00:09] <Brucevdk> Hi, question, I'm using a PPA and say if I want to distribute two types of the same program (e.g. a stable version and an alpha version) should I change the control file to have something like programname-alpha?
[00:11] <directhex> yes
[00:11] <directhex> and really you want a different name for the source package more than anything else, so it can coexist
[00:11] <directhex> on the ppa
[00:13] <Brucevdk> directhex: alright, I'm trying some stuff out, let's see if it works
[00:24] <Brucevdk> directhex: the packages should have seperate changelogs?
[00:25] <directhex> Brucevdk, assuming they have different source tarballs, that's mostly up to you
[00:25] <directhex> Brucevdk, but the names in the changelogs need to match the names in control
[00:31] <Brucevdk> directhex: not sure how to best approach this. This is the current situation: http://tinyurl.com/aqwwqu (the build_package.sh in packages/ubuntu) creates a temporary directory for building in tmp.
[00:36] <directhex> james_w, you're a very odd individual
[00:36] <james_w> directhex: thanks
[00:36] <directhex> now, make me a sandwich
[00:36] <james_w> I was quite surprised I wasn't the only one to have thought of that
[00:36] <james_w> No!
[00:40] <Brucevdk> wondering if I should just create three directories or so, one for each changelog and one for the common files then merge that using the build_package script at build-time.
[00:40] <Brucevdk> but I must be doing this wrong, because that just seems stupid
[00:42] <Andre_Gondim> I am trying to compile the amsn like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amsn/+bug/314805 but i recive this http://paste.ubuntu.com/121257/ what is wrong?
[00:43] <directhex> Andre_Gondim, there's a problem?
[00:43] <Brucevdk> Andre_Gondim: maybe it's just me, but that's just ./configure no? (launchpad is a little slow)
[00:45] <weboide> Hi, I'm having an issue with package name conflict here (with Eina music player and lib-eina with eina as src name in debian). Anyone familiar with this kind of issue?
[00:45] <Andre_Gondim> Brucevdk, when i do make deb i recive http://paste.ubuntu.com/121259/
[00:48] <Brucevdk> Andre_Gondim: sorry, compile errors aren't my game
[00:48] <Andre_Gondim> Brucevdk, ok
[00:48] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone know how to solve this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/121259/
[00:49] <Brucevdk> "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution." -- I'm an administrator... :-|
[00:51] <weboide> Andre_Gondim: this post shows on how to compile amsn 0.98b (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=712425)
[00:51] <directhex> Brucevdk, are you committing to your PPA?
[00:52] <Brucevdk> directhex: yes, verifying my key right now
[00:52] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: you sure you're uploading to your PPA?
[00:52] <Andre_Gondim> weboide, thanks
[00:52]  * directhex high-fives LaserJock
[00:52] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: well assuming committing is the same as uploading, yes :-)
[00:53] <Brucevdk> oh, you mean if I'm absolutely sure
[00:53] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: well, sometimes it's easy to miss the "where to upload to" part of dput
[00:53] <Brucevdk> hold on
[00:53] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: which means you end up uploading to Ubuntu instead of the PPA
[00:54] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: are you supposed to end incoming with /ubuntu/ ?
[00:54] <Brucevdk> think I still managed to screw it up, it's missing ppa
[00:54] <directhex> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[00:54] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: so you did put the location in your actual dput line though?
[00:55] <directhex> incoming = ~myusername/ubuntu
[00:55] <Brucevdk> it was incoming = ~nautilussvn/ubuntu/
[00:55] <Brucevdk> changed to incoming = ~nautilussvn/ppa/ubuntu/
[00:57] <Brucevdk> also the documentation said a unique signing key should have been generated, but afaik it hasn't (it's been at least more than week now)
[00:59] <LaserJock> good grief, "i don't know" is not a very helpful bug description :(
[00:59] <nixternal> lol
[00:59] <nixternal> LaserJock: mark it as fix released :p
[01:00] <LaserJock> the one before that is filed against edubuntu-addon-meta with the title "my ubuntu don't know what is docx format"
[01:00] <Brucevdk> just letting you know, it still got rejected with incoming set to ~nautilussvn/ppa/ubuntu/
[01:00] <weboide> Is there anyone familiar with dealing with name conflict between a package already in repos and one that wish to enter?
[01:01] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: what was the command you ran?
[01:01] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: dput nautilussvn_0.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes
[01:01] <LaserJock> weboide: what's the package names?
[01:01] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: I'm guessing that's your problem
[01:02] <weboide> LaserJock: I have eina (a music player) and in debian repos there is eina (from enlightenment) as src name, libeina as bin name.
[01:02] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: you run dput as: dput <location to upload> <changes file>
[01:02] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: the default is to upload to the Ubuntu archives
[01:03] <LaserJock> weboide: so maybe eina-player
[01:03] <LaserJock> ?
[01:03] <weboide> LaserJock: yeah, I talked with enlightenment and they clear said "we won't change our name because of debian"..
[01:04] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: oh I assumed that was what incoming in ~/.dput.conf meant, so wait, what is <location to upload>. The help page just says: my-ppa
[01:04] <weboide> LaserJock: but now I need to know how deep the changes need to be in eina-player.
[01:04] <LaserJock> weboide: I wouldn't expect them to. The general rule is that the first one to the archive gets to keep it
[01:04] <weboide> LaserJock: hm okay, well, we lost :(
[01:05] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: well, what's the name of the PPA in your .dput file?
[01:05] <directhex> Brucevdk, the [ppaname] in dput.cf
[01:05] <LaserJock> weboide: seems like eina-player or something similar may work
[01:05] <weboide> LaserJock: I'm not sure if I just need to change the packaging of the orig.tar.gz or does the configure.ac needs changing too?
[01:06] <Brucevdk> LaserJock, directhex: so just nautilussvn?
[01:06] <LaserJock> weboide: are the files named the same?
[01:06] <Brucevdk> right, looks like it
[01:06] <weboide> LaserJock: what files?
[01:06] <directhex> Brucevdk, if that's what the [heading] in dput.cf is called
[01:07] <LaserJock> weboide: the name of the actual programs?
[01:07] <weboide> LaserJock: well eina from enlightenment is a lib, so binary package is named libeina.
[01:08] <LaserJock> weboide: I'm not talking about packages
[01:08] <LaserJock> weboide: I mean the actual files that get shipped in the .deb
[01:09] <LaserJock> weboide: if there isn't a conflict you could just rename the package eina-player (in debian/changelog debian/control and rename the .orig.tar.gz)
[01:09] <Brucevdk> directhex, LaserJock: ok thanks guys, looks like that was it, I'm feeling a little bit stupid (but the docs really weren't that obvious, really ;-)
[01:09] <james_w> Brucevdk: try "dput ppa:~nautilussvn/ppa nautilussvn_0.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes"
[01:09] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: yeah
[01:10] <weboide> LaserJock: well, it's a quite simple package, usr/share/doc/eina, usr/lib/eina, usr/bin/eina. except there is also eina-dev which is /usr/include/eina or something.
[01:10] <james_w> Brucevdk: "dput ppa:nautilussvn/ppa nautilussvn_0.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes" sorry
[01:10] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: just be glad your not a developer and accidently upload something to the wrong place. it doesn't get rejected ;-)
[01:11] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: indeed :-)
[01:11] <LaserJock> weboide: your eina or enlightenment's eina?
[01:11] <weboide> LaserJock: mine
[01:12] <weboide> LaserJock: it does look like a real messy thing to check and make sure it's not confliction :(
[01:12] <LaserJock> really?
[01:12] <weboide> LaserJock: conflicting*
[01:12] <weboide> LaserJock: I mean the process
[01:12] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: should I be worried that the general signing key hasn't shown up yet?
[01:12] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: I wouldn't think so
[01:12] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: I think it depends on when you uploaded last
[01:13] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: you need to have one upload for it to start generating one?
[01:13] <LaserJock> weboide: all you should need to see is if the enlightenment package ships a /usr/bin/eina
[01:13] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: yep
[01:13] <weboide> LaserJock: okay
[01:13] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: that explains it ;-)
[01:13] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: the signing is triggered off an upload
[01:13] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: doesn't that mean I need to re-upload? Or is it going to be signed twice?
[01:13] <weboide> LaserJock: i've got a conflict with /usr/lib/eina/
[01:13] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: oh wait, I didn't upload a binary
[01:14] <LaserJock> weboide: you'll rename that
[01:14] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: it'll just get signed
[01:14] <Brucevdk> LaserJock: so, you sign your source thingy with your own key, upload it, and then it signs the binary with the general key?
[01:14] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: you don't need to upload a binary
[01:14] <LaserJock> Brucevdk: right
[01:14] <directhex> Brucevdk, right
[01:14] <Brucevdk> right, alright, makes sense
[01:15] <weboide> LaserJock: would /usr/include/eina get renamed too then?
[01:15] <LaserJock> weboide: yep
[01:16] <LaserJock> weboide: the packaging should take care of all that basically
[01:16] <weboide> LaserJock: okay, so this looks good to me, I'll try to package it with the name change and see the changes.
[01:16] <LaserJock> weboide: you just want to retain /usr/bin/eina so users can find it
[01:17] <weboide> weboide: okay, should I do any link with /usr/bin/eina-player or no?
[01:17] <LaserJock> weboide: no, just ship it as /usr/bin/eina
[01:17] <weboide> okay, thanks a *lot* for your help :)
[01:28] <weboide> LaserJock: I do have to also rename the directory in the orig.tar.gz to eina-player-<version> right? (this will break any debian/watch updating though...)
[01:30] <ScottK> It won't.  uscan is smart enough to be able to mangle it appropriatelyl.
[01:31] <weboide> Hm, the annoying thing is to have to repackage the tar.gz from upstream everytime from now on, right?
[01:32] <weboide> hm
[01:32] <weboide> Nevermind that, if that works with uupdate
[01:32] <weboide> :p
[01:33] <LaserJock> weboide: it should mostly work ok without a lot of changes
[01:35] <weboide> okay, well thanks, I think I'm finally done with the questions now!
[01:57] <LaserJock> anybody about who uses git/bzr for packaging?
[02:00] <LaserJock> I'm wondering what a good strategy for using branches for patches
[02:00] <LaserJock> I guess if you create a branch off of an upstream branch it would work
[09:34] <madmartian> on the subject of bug 332722
[09:34] <madmartian> I was sent here to discuss it (as it's my project)
[10:35] <madmartian> i was sent here to discuss bug 332722 as it's my package
[10:44] <jpds> madmartian: Have you prepared a source package?
[10:44] <madmartian> it's in a ppa
[10:44] <madmartian> https://launchpad.net/~suvat-dev/+archive/ppa
[10:45] <jpds> madmartian: OK, we usually review new package at revu.ubuntuwire.com, would you like me to import it there?
[10:45] <madmartian> jpds: yes please
[10:50] <jpds> madmartian: OK; it appears that you have to login to revu to request to have a package imported, could you please do that?
[10:52] <jpds> ...although I could just dget your source package from the PPA and put it in the processing queue.
[10:55] <madmartian> jpds: done, thanks for your help
[11:11] <tdomhan> how do I name the orig src tarball if I want to package a piece of software that is only available through svn?(concerning the version)
[11:11] <james_w> hey tdomhan
[11:12] <james_w> it's usually done as version+svn<revno>
[11:12] <tdomhan> hi james
[11:12] <james_w> if there are no releases at all that is a bit more difficult
[11:12] <directhex> 0.0.0+svn ?
[11:12] <tdomhan> there has been a release 1.27
[11:12] <james_w> and you can use the date instead of the revno
[11:12] <jpds> I personally prefer: svnYYYYMMDD.
[11:12] <tdomhan> should I name it 1.28svn<revno>?
[11:12] <directhex> tdomhan, in that case, use 1.2.7+svn375218367853721
[11:13] <directhex> tdomhan, no, for 2 reasons
[11:14] <directhex> tdomhan, if it's BASED on 1.27 (e.g. from a 1.27 branch) then use 1.27+svn; if it's BASED on 1.28 (e.g. from trunk leading towards a 1.28 release) then use 1.28~svn
[11:14] <directhex> tdomhan, using the ~ in the second example is very important
[11:14] <tdomhan> kk, it's the latter one, what are the meanings of +/~?
[11:15] <directhex> tdomhan, 1.28~svn100 is "older" than 1.28
[11:15] <directhex> tdomhan, 1.27+svn100 is "newer" than 1.27
[11:20] <tdomhan> kk thank you
[11:24] <james_w> "dpkg --compare-versions" can be used to check that two version numbers sort in the way that you think
[11:25] <maxb> ooi, is there a clear documentation of the algorithm anywhere? I resorted to the source to learn it
[11:25] <mok0> maxb: there was a discussion on d-d some time ago on exactly that question
[11:26] <geser> I like 0~1 as a version. it's smaller than zero but positive :)
[11:26] <maxb> There's no such thing as a negative version
[11:27] <Yagisan> tdomhan, I use the naming system seen on the deng package here -> https://launchpad.net/~yagisan/+archive/ppa
[11:28] <maxb> That naming system is, IMO, inadvisable
[11:29] <maxb> It's overly verbose, and worse, it risks colliding with an official ubuntu package
[11:29] <geser> maxb: but 0~1 < 0
[11:29] <mok0> Yagisan's scheme is standard
[11:29] <maxb> mok0: for PPAs?
[11:30] <mok0> yep
[11:30] <Yagisan> maxb, consider my package is what will eventually be the offical ubuntu packe - I see no issues with it
[11:30] <maxb> It's not frowned upon to publish packages to PPAs that have versions which could be used in the primary archive?
[11:31] <mok0> No on the contrary
[11:31] <mok0> You should not use version numbers that might appear in the archive
[11:32] <mok0> -0ubuntu1~ppa1 is overwritten by -0ubuntu1 which gives the effect you want
[11:32] <maxb> the deng package in Yagisan's PPA ends -0ubuntu1, no ~ppa1, which is what I'm calling out as inadvisable
[11:33] <mok0> right
[11:33] <mok0> I've forgotten it too, occasionally
[11:34] <Yagisan> maxb, it's also been pending inclusion for what 2 years now ? It still can't get in, so the ppa can be skipped until I can actually get in
[11:35] <mok0> Yagisan: pending, where?
[11:35] <maxb> Yagisan: regardless, that doesn't mean you shouldn't practice good versioning hygiene
[11:36] <mok0> I agree
[11:36] <Yagisan> mok0, I've been sorting out license issues, and security issues ever since was it hoary or breezy - been such a long time now
[11:36] <mok0> Yagisan: what if it gets in with changes? Then your ppa version is not overwritten
[11:36] <Yagisan> I guarantee you'll never have an official ubuntu version that will conflict with it
[11:37] <mok0> Yagisan: you can't give such a guarantee
[11:37] <Yagisan> I sure can. as a former upstream, I can categorily state the is a remote eploitable security issue in it, and you can not include it under those grounds
[11:38] <Yagisan> thus
[11:38] <Yagisan> I can guarantee it
[11:38] <maxb> Well if that's the case, I'd say you should be deleting it from your PPA...
[11:38] <mok0> Yagisan: there are 330942 examples in Launchpad I can cite to disprove you :-)
[11:38] <Yagisan> (FYI - design issue - and getting that fixed has been more of a headache than the licensing issues were!)
[11:39] <maxb> Regardless of what you can say about any specific upstream version, that's no reason not to apply good versioning practices
[11:40] <Yagisan> I have. there will never be an official intrepid version, and when it finally can go in (assuming I haven't given up) any older versions will upgrade
[11:42] <mok0> Yagisan: where are you trying to get it in?
[11:44] <Yagisan> mok0, one day, far far far into the future it appears, I would like to see it in universe as it is/was a fun little game. Right now it fails a DFSG test over some issue with wording in an otherwise free license
[11:45] <mok0> Yagisan: If you are upstream, just fix the license then
[11:45] <Yagisan> mok0, and when I started, some 33% of the code base was GPL incompatible non-free code, so I'm doing well
[11:46] <Yagisan> mok0, **former** upstream, and that code didn't come from us. adocating it's removeal didn't go down well either ...
[11:47] <mok0> Yagisan: How sad
[11:48] <Yagisan> mok0, joys of politics mate - they no longer have a linux dev. That and I got canned over security fixes, and was vocal in my disapproval of windows only features being planned
[11:49] <mok0> Yagisan: perhaps you should move on and use your skills for a better cause
[11:50]  * Yagisan has. I have several other projects - but I do enjoy playing this one, and there is interest in an Ubuntu package, so I update it in my ppa
[12:13]  * RainCT wonders why Totem fails to play a song on a memory limited system with BadAlloc but Rhyhtmbox doesn't
[12:18] <maxb> Is there any channel where dbus experts hang out? Specifically I'm wondering "Is there any way to override session-bus service configuration on a per-user basis?"
[13:09] <fabrice_sp_> Hi. I'd like to apply to U-C-D and already setup my wiki page? Should I send first the email to the mailing list or get the comments of the people that sponsored my uploads?
[13:11] <geser> fabrice_sp_: get your sponsors comment on your application in your wiki page and when you have enough comments apply "formally"
[13:15] <fabrice_sp_> thanks geser!
[13:17] <fabrice_sp_> so, mok0, james_w and any MOTU whot sponsored my uploads recently: could you please put a comment on my wiki application page? Thanks!
[13:17] <RainCT> james_w: btw, http://jameswestby.net/weblog/bzr/03-sandwich.html gives a blank page here
[13:17] <james_w> RainCT: how, odd, it worked yesterday
[13:20] <james_w> RainCT: should be fixed now, thanks
[13:21] <RainCT> james_w: no problem. funny post :)
[13:21] <mok0> fabrice_sp_: sure
[13:22] <mok0> geser: did you see my reply to your question?
[13:23] <geser> mok0: yes
[13:23] <geser> mok0: so the PPA would only be used between FF and the next archive opening?
[13:23] <mok0> geser: Yes
[13:24] <mok0> geser: perhaps we come up with other uses, but that's the idea
[13:25] <geser> mok0: who should be able to upload there? only ~ubuntu-dev?
[13:25] <mok0> geser: yes
[13:26] <mok0> geser: when the package passes review, and if the main archive is closed
[13:27] <mok0> geser: or.... perhaps if some rigorous testing is required???
[13:38] <james_w> fabrice_sp_: do you have a list of uploads of yours that I sponsored?
[13:39] <james_w> oh, this is a U-C-D application, no need
[13:53] <ScottK> mok0: I also like the idea of an 'official' PPA to build against for libs so New doesn't add to latency for doing a sequence of packages.
[14:30]  * RainCT pokes asac
[14:37] <mok0> ScottK: yes, it helps for packages that have a serial dependency
[15:22] <asac> RainCT: ?
[15:35] <RainCT> asac: Yesterday I asked whether we still want new extensions for Jaunty (now that FF has started, that is), like last cycle?
[15:35] <asac> RainCT: depends on the extension.
[15:36] <asac> i wont grant a general exception if thats what you ask
[15:36] <asac> there are a few that missed FF because i was too overloaded to sponsor. those will certainly get in
[15:36] <asac> on top i need to look at the specific extension
[15:51] <RainCT> asac: Ah OK. I was thinking that if there was to be a general exception again I could take a look at packaging google gears
[15:53] <asac> RainCT: is that free?
[15:54] <RainCT> asac: Yes, New BSD
[15:54] <asac> RainCT: go ahead and package it ... we can then look ;)
[15:54] <asac> if its an important addition to the ubuntu-extension eco system it might be worth looking into an exception
[15:55] <RainCT> Alright. The main advantage of having it packaged is that there's a patch to let it work with 64-bit systems, but Google hasn't accepted it so far. That's quite annoying as there are custom .xpi builds with it but when there comes a new version Firefox is all the time asking to update it (which it can't as it then tries with the 32 bit version)
[16:00] <asac> RainCT: yes, amd64 support is an important use case
[16:00] <asac> RainCT: is there a branch alreawdy
[16:00] <asac> i just have kind of dejavu now that i think about it
[16:00] <asac> like i already reviewed a package at some point
[16:10] <RainCT> asac: Afaik no
[16:12] <goshawk> can i create a watch file to look to a svn repo in which there are the release file and not a tar archive?
[16:12] <goshawk> if yes can someone point me an example?
[16:18] <asac> RainCT: then go for it ;) ... quick!
[16:20] <__iron> hi
[16:21] <__iron> what it is to do to get moto status ?
[16:22] <siretart> __iron: follow the links in the channel topic
[16:22] <__iron> k
[16:29] <goshawk> nevermind, solved in another way :)
[16:30] <RainCT> goshawk: you can write a get-orig-source rule
[16:32] <goshawk> RainCT: i solved using an http page in which there is a link to the tarbal
[16:32] <goshawk> so in a complete different way
[16:33] <RainCT> goshawk: ah, that's better :)
[16:33] <goshawk> the problem right now is this one: Newest version on remote site is <IP_ADDRESS>.99.7, local version is 0.99.7
[16:33] <goshawk> it gets the version two times
[16:33] <goshawk> this is the watch
[16:33] <goshawk>  http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/SourceDownloads http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/([\d\.]+)/tango-([\d\.]+)-src.tar.gz
[16:33] <RainCT> add ?: after the first (
[16:33] <goshawk> first one is the html page
[16:33] <RainCT> http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/(?:[\d\.]+)/tango-([\d\.]+)-src.tar.gz
[16:35] <goshawk> perfect
[16:35] <goshawk> it works
[16:35] <goshawk> can you please tell me what that ?:
[16:35] <goshawk> mean?
[16:36] <RainCT> goshawk: parenthesis mark a group the content of which is selected; the ?: mean that you don't want that group
[16:38] <goshawk> ok perfect, understood :) thx as everytime...
[16:39] <RainCT> No problem. In case you have more difficulties with the watch file in the future, http://www.regular-expressions.info/ is a quite good resource.
[16:39] <RainCT> Although the rules in debian/watch are usually quite simple
[16:40] <goshawk> oki
[16:42] <goshawk> i've uploaded libtango to REVU
[16:42] <RainCT> nhandler: do you have some text for the FF warning?
[16:42] <goshawk> if someone have spare time, please review :) thx all
[16:43] <nhandler> RainCT: Not right now. I can write something up if you want
[17:00] <RainCT> nhandler: There's a warning now. Does it look good to you?
[17:01] <RainCT> nhandler: (it can be disabled once Koala is open changing "feature_freeze = 1" to 0 in /srv/revu-production/config/revu.cfg)
[17:04] <nhandler> RainCT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/121479/. I made a few wording changes. I also removed the word "Jaunty" so that we don't need to update it for each release
[17:04] <RainCT> nhandler: the distribution name is also taken from the config file ;)
[17:04] <nhandler> Ok, I didn't know that. Then you can add Jaunty back in ;)
[17:07] <RainCT> nhandler: I'm also pondering changing the header (the "A Review Tool for MOTUs" - it's not only for MOTU :)). What do you think about "Collaborative Ubuntu packages reviewing"?
[17:12] <RainCT> (that's an open question to anyone who wants to answer :))
[17:13] <nhandler> RainCT: I have no objections. But we will also need to update a lot of the links that go to REVU
[17:13] <RainCT> nhandler: Erm.. Why?
[17:14] <nhandler> RainCT: Because a lot of links use the text "A Review Tool for MOTUs"
[17:15] <ScottK> It is a tool for MOTUs.
[17:15] <RainCT> ScottK: and for non-MOTUs who want to get a package into Ubuntu :)
[17:16] <ScottK> It's a tool to help us do reviews.
[17:16] <RainCT> and afaik MOTU is going away with archive reorg
[17:16] <ScottK> Yes, so eventually it will have to be changed.
[17:18] <RainCT> ScottK: So are you OK with changing the header?
[17:19] <ScottK> I think you should ask a broader section of MOTU than "is on IRC right now".
[17:19] <RainCT> nhandler: well, that REVU itself shows a different title doesn't mean that the links pointing to it must have the same name
[17:19] <ScottK> I'd prefer not, but it's not a big deal.
[17:19] <ScottK> So I don't object, other than please mail the MOTU ML first so others have a chance to object.
[17:20] <RainCT> I'll leave it for later then. Don't feel like sending a mail just to change a string :P
[17:21] <RainCT> nhandler: (the changes you've proposed will be up once LP processes my commit)
[17:21] <nhandler> scottk: I also don't agree that the entire MOTU community needs a chance to decide. It isn't as if we are changing the name of REVU, just the description
[17:21] <nhandler> Ok RainCT
[17:22] <ScottK> nhandler: It's been call that for years.  I do think people ought to at least get a chance to object.
[17:24]  * RainCT wonders why REVU is in Softpedia o_O
[17:27] <nhandler> scottk: I still disagree. We do not ask for input when we change a package's description. We don't ask for input when we change a team's description on LP, and we don't ask for input when we change a wiki pages description. I really do not think changing REVU description is a huge deal.
[17:29] <ScottK> nhandler: If you change the description of a team I'm a member of without getting input from the team, I would not appreciate that.  It's not very Ubuntu.
[17:31] <RainCT> ScottK: you didn't complain when the ~revu-uploaders description was updated
[17:31] <ScottK> Did I know?
[17:32] <ScottK> I don't see the harm in a quick mail to the ML saying, "I'm planning on doing X unless anyone objects".
[17:32] <hyperair> i'm curious, how many people here like update-manager to spawn whenever there's an update as opposed to just having update-notifier show an icon in the notification area?
[17:33] <hyperair> and how many don't notice the addition of a new icon in the notification area?
[17:33] <hyperair> especially one so bright and orange as the update-notifier icon
[17:33] <ScottK> I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't have the experience, but I can imagine from the descriptions I wouldn't like the change.
[17:34] <RainCT> hyperair: I guess I won't like it neither, but haven't seen it yet.
[17:34] <ScottK> I'd think a tooltip would be sufficient.
[17:34] <RainCT> Although it may actually be better than the tooltip in some use cases
[17:34] <hyperair> let's all tell that to ubuntu-devel!
[17:34] <RainCT> That damn tooltip once popped up once while I was playing a game and took ages to go away -.-
[17:34] <hyperair> i'm incredibly annoyed at this change
[17:35] <RainCT> Although that may already be fixed with the new notification system
[17:35] <RainCT> But yes, having to dismiss a dialogue asking to update each time there are updates is probably quite annoying, especially as I always upgrade from the terminal (but the icon remembers me to do it)
[17:36] <james_w> RainCT: the new notification system listens for screensaver inhibits and holds messages while they are active
[17:36] <james_w> RainCT: so as long as the game inhibits the screensaver it will work fine
[17:37] <RainCT> james_w: Ah. So I guess the game doesn't :(. Is there some CLI command to add an inhibit?
[17:37] <james_w> gnome-screensaver-inhibit or something
[17:38] <james_w> gnome-screensaver-command -i
[17:38] <james_w> there's "xdg-screensaver suspend", but that's trickier to use
[17:38] <RainCT> james_w: thanks
[17:39] <james_w> pass "-n" and "-r" to the gnome one as well
[17:39] <RainCT> james_w: and how do I delete the inhibit afterwards?
[17:40] <james_w> RainCT: the inhibit is active for as long as the command runs
[17:40] <james_w> I would have thought it was possible to have a command that took another command as argument and inhibited the screensaver for as long as the child was active
[17:41] <asac> anyone has a system that was installed before intrepid?
[17:41] <asac> if so, please paste dpkg --query fontconfig-config | grep obsolete
[17:41] <hyperair> asac: me
[17:41] <RainCT> asac: I have 2 upgraded from Hardy
[17:41] <asac> hyperair: ^^ ;)
[17:41] <asac> RainCT: hardy would be good to see too
[17:41] <hyperair> asac: hardy -> intrepid
[17:42] <asac> hyperair: yes. please run the command and paste it
[17:42] <asac> if there is any output at all ;)
[17:42] <RainCT> james_w: yeah, something like that would rock
[17:42] <hyperair> asac dpkg: unknown option --query
[17:42] <asac> hyperair: RainCT: sorry ... its --status ;)
[17:42] <RainCT> uhm.. how can I put on the network cable without having irssi reconnecting? :P
[17:42]  * asac dump ... made the same mistake twice in 2 minutes ;)
[17:42] <hyperair> RainCT: i think a shell script could do that =\
[17:43] <hyperair> asac:  /etc/fonts/conf.avail/README<PHONE_NUMBER>06e0c9952d5c73a5451eec obsolete
[17:43] <asac> hyperair: ok. just that?
[17:43] <hyperair> asac: yes just that
[17:43] <james_w> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/121504/
[17:43] <__iron> asac: ive got more
[17:43] <asac> james_w: thanks. when installed? hardy? gutsy?
[17:44] <james_w> umm, feisty?
[17:44] <asac> oh
[17:44] <asac> ok
[17:44] <hyperair> wow that's long
[17:44] <hyperair> heh
[17:44] <asac> james_w: thats less than i expected. i had a bunch more on my since-edgy system
[17:44] <hyperair> i'll probably reinstall for jaunty =\
[17:44] <hyperair> i want to switch to amd64
[17:44] <asac> __iron: please paste
[17:44] <__iron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121506/
[17:45] <asac> james_w: can you run a md5sum on a few and see if they were changed?
[17:46] <asac> or maybe you __iron  ;)
[17:46] <__iron> asac: ?
[17:46] <james_w> asac: all match dpkg's values
[17:46] <asac> james_w: great. thanks a lot
[17:47] <RainCT> am I still alive?
[17:47] <james_w> RainCT: it's not clear
[17:47] <asac> __iron: nevermind. you can run md5sum on the file and see whether it matches the md5sum in the output
[17:47] <asac> __iron: but james already answered
[17:48] <RainCT> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/121510/plain/ (on one PC, the other one is offline right now)
[17:49] <asac> RainCT: also feisty install?
[17:49] <__iron> asac: one of them http://paste.ubuntu.com/121512/
[17:50] <RainCT> asac: nope, I use to make clean installs when I upgrade
[17:50] <asac> __iron: right. that matches.
[17:50] <asac> RainCT: so you installed when? intrepid?
[17:50] <asac> or even jaunty?
[17:50] <RainCT> asac: Ah. That one is an Intrepid upgraded from Hardy
[17:50] <asac> RainCT: see ;)
[17:51] <asac> so meaning the cruft is from hardy or intrepid
[17:51] <asac> feisty had the same
[17:51] <asac> my edgy had a bunch more ;)
[17:52] <tdomhan> what are menu-files for? to create a node under "applications" I have to provide a .desktop-file, haven't I?
[17:52] <RainCT> tdomhan: menu files are for Debian's menu, .desktop for all others
[17:53] <RainCT> tdomhan: although sometimes menu files are also used in Ubuntu (for example, the default menu in Openbox uses them)
[17:53] <tdomhan> they are not needed at all under ubuntu?
[17:54] <tdomhan> mh ok, just created one, then I will leave it
[17:57] <RainCT> tdomhan: they are encouraged, and not that difficult to create after all
[17:57] <tdomhan> RainCT, kk thanks for the information, I will just create a .desktop file aditionally
[17:58] <RainCT> tdomhan: Okay. Don't forget to run desktop-file-validate on it afterwards
[18:08] <mok0> RainCT: have you ever taken a look at storm?
[18:09] <RainCT> mok0: nope
[18:09] <mok0> RainCT: Looks really cool
[18:10] <mok0> RainCT: I think it's used for LP
[18:10] <ScottK> It is.
[18:10] <RainCT> mok0: what can it do?
[18:11] <mok0> RainCT: it wraps a database in python objects
[18:11] <RainCT> mok0: as in, removing the need for SQL?
[18:11] <mok0> RainCT: yes
[18:12] <mok0> RainCT: SQL is behind the scenes of course
[18:12] <RainCT> I guess persia likes it then :P
[18:12] <mok0> ScottK, have you used it?
[18:12] <ScottK> I have not.
[18:12] <ScottK> IIRC I sponsored you for an upload of it.
[18:13] <mok0> ScottK: yes, that's right!
[18:13] <mok0> ScottK: Good memory!
[18:13] <ScottK> Not usually.  I'm not sure why that one stuck in my head.
[18:13] <mok0> I didn't really take a look at it before, but I think I might use it for my next project
[18:14] <mok0> RainCT: How about rewriting revu using storm :-P
[18:14] <ScottK> I did just upload my first new style python extension.
[18:14] <mok0> ScottK: "new style"?
[18:15] <ScottK> --install-layout=deb
[18:15] <mok0> ah
[18:15] <mok0> Didn't know it was supported already
[18:15] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:15] <RainCT> Uhm. There is SQL in the tutorial
[18:16]  * POX detected "python" and "orm" so he has to mention SQLAlchemy (great module!) :-P
[18:16] <mok0> RainCT: yes, but I don't think you really need to use it
[18:16]  * ScottK waves to pox.
[18:16] <mok0> POX: is that the same idea?
[18:16]  * POX waves back
[18:16] <POX> yu[
[18:16] <POX> yup
[18:17] <POX> but Mike (SQLAlchemy and Mako author) is my hero
[18:17] <mok0> POX: can you tell a bit about the difference/similarity with storm?
[18:17] <POX> just check what SA can do
[18:19] <RainCT> mok0: Looks nice but I see no use for it. Perhaps for a bigger project it's interesting, but here I see it basically as an additional layer which just makes stuff slower :P
[18:19]  * POX is going thru python-sqlalchemy rdependencies again, if all will be 0.5-compatible this time (he contacted maintainers to ping upstream), 0.5.2 will be moved from experimental to unstable today
[18:20] <mok0> RainCT: what can be slower than developing those monster queries?
[18:20] <RainCT> mok0: I can use an object instead of a dictionary with it.. Well.. nice.. and? :P
[18:21] <mok0> RainCT: It abstracts the complexity of the SQL queries
[18:21] <RainCT> and the queries would be the same anyway, I just would have to learn how to write them in a different way first
[18:21] <mok0> RainCT: and how would you handle talking to several databases?
[18:22] <RainCT> we only have one
[18:22] <mok0> RainCT: yes, but you're dissing the module
[18:22] <RainCT> mok0: ?
[18:23] <mok0> RainCT: you're saying it's not useful
[18:23] <RainCT> mok0: I'm saying I don't see how it would be useful particularly for REVU.
[18:23] <mok0> RainCT: but sql quickly gets so complicated that you don't understand what's going on
[18:24] <mok0> RainCT: Yeah, ok
[18:25] <mok0> But looking at sqlalchemy I can't tell what it does that storm doesn't... looks quite the same from a first glance
[18:26] <RainCT> mako rocks, btw :)
[18:26] <mok0> It does!
[18:28] <mok0> sqlalchemy has much more documentation
[18:49] <RainCT> uhm.. how can I concatenate strings inline with C
[18:50] <RainCT> * with C++ (like in Python "a" + var + "b")?
[18:51] <mok0> RainCT: you need the function strcat
[18:51] <RainCT> that's the first I tried, but it fails to compile :/
[18:52] <mok0> RainCT: What?
[18:52] <mok0> pastebin your expression
[18:53] <RainCT> Ah. I need two of them
[18:53] <RainCT> strcat(strcat("[", (char *) sizeof(voices_list)), "]")   *ugly*
[18:54] <mok0> RainCT: you might also use sprintf
[18:54] <RainCT> and it segfaults :(
[18:55] <mok0> RainCT:ok
[18:55] <mok0> RainCT: I'd code that in 2 strcat statements
[18:55] <RainCT> I don't want any variable for that
[18:58] <geser> RainCT: it won't work that way as "[" isn't writable
[18:58] <RainCT> right, just seen that
[18:58] <RainCT> C/C++ is evil :(
[18:59] <geser> the easiest way is to use s(n)printf
[19:00] <RainCT> geser: how would that look like?
[19:01] <RainCT> I don't want to print anything, just pass that as an argument to another function
[19:02] <geser> char buf[100]; snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "[%d]", sizeof(voices_list);
[19:03] <RainCT> thx
[19:03] <geser> RainCT: what is voices_list?
[19:04] <geser> sizeof(voices_list) might don't return what you expect
[19:04] <RainCT> an arra
[19:04] <RainCT> y
[19:04] <geser> on the stack?
[19:04] <geser> of what data types?
[19:04] <RainCT> An espeak_VOICE structure
[19:05] <RainCT> so, a struct
[19:05] <geser> is the array malloc()ed?
[19:05] <RainCT> I don't know.. :P
[19:06] <RainCT> If what you're thinking about is that I may need to divide that with sizeof(espeak_VOICE), the value of that is 20 and sizeof(voices_list) is only 8 :P
[19:06] <geser> if it's malloc()ed than sizeof(voices_list) will return the size of the pointer to that array (4 byte on 32bit and 8 byte on 64bit)
[19:07] <RainCT> d'oh
[19:09] <geser> a pointer doesn't know how large the memory chunk it points to is, you need a separate variable to pass on the actual array size
[19:09] <RainCT> I don't have it :/
[19:09] <RainCT> but nevermind, I think I'm doing this wrong and actually don't need to know the length
[19:09] <RainCT> thanks anyway
[19:15] <mrooney> I copied my Jaunty PPA package to Intrepid and now it doesn't work because it requires python-central >= 0.6.9, but I am not sure why
[19:15] <ScottK> Because that's what it was compiled with.
[19:16] <ScottK> You have to upload source and build it in Intrepid.
[19:16] <mrooney> ScottK: ahh okay, I tried to do that but launchpad kept rejecting it
[19:17] <ScottK> You have to use a different revision number.
[19:17] <RainCT> geser: arr.. after all I do need it :(. Is there some other way to get the size other than incrementing a counter variable in a loop, then?
[19:17] <mrooney> ScottK: just doing like a ~ppa2 won't work?
[19:17] <ScottK> Yes  Should.
[19:18] <ScottK> I usually do ~releaseX~ppaY
[19:18] <geser> RainCT: no
[19:18] <mrooney> ScottK: do you know if I can delete the Intrepid package that was copied so the old one is installable?
[19:18] <geser> RainCT: in C the memory management is your task
[19:19]  * RainCT decides he hates c/C++ and whoever invented it :P
[19:19] <ScottK> Now you're getting into questions about how PPA's work, not general packaging, so I'd ask in #launchpad.
[19:20] <mrooney> ScottK: okay, thanks
[19:21] <mrooney> ScottK: does the changelog version stuff matter? ie it is Jaunty so all the versions there have Jaunty, do I have to change any of that to Intrepid for it to work there?
[19:21] <mrooney> or is that not relevant
[19:21] <ScottK> Yes.  You need to change the upload target to intrepid.
[19:22] <mrooney> ScottK: can I just change the most recent one, or do they all have to be Intrepid?
[19:22] <ScottK> Most recent is all that matters.
[19:24] <mrooney> ScottK: excellent! okay now hopefully one last question, can I leave the .orig.tar.gz as it is, and just change the extracted debian/ ?
[19:25] <ScottK> Yes
[20:38] <jcfp> Does having a hard dependency on something in multiverse put a package also in multiverse as a result?
[20:38] <ScottK> Yes
[20:38] <ScottK> Recommends too.
[20:39] <jcfp> ah.
[20:41] <jcfp> ScottK: must such a move be requested separately or can it be done at the same time as a minor bugfix update (by simply mentioning it should be done)
[20:42] <ScottK> It should be a separate bug.
[20:42] <geser> jcfp: file a bug requesting the move to multiverse
[20:42] <jcfp> Does it take long, should I subscribe somebody special?
[20:46] <geser> the usual sponsoring rules apply (if needed) or ubuntu-archive (else)
[20:47] <jcfp> geser: Just the separate bug for moving to multiverse, so I'll subscribe ubuntu-archive then. thanks
[20:50] <ScottK> jcfp: It should still be reviewed by a MOTU first.
[20:50] <jcfp> ScottK: the move?
[20:50] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:51] <jcfp> package is sabnzbdplus, recommends unrar (= multiverse)
[20:51] <jcfp> #333016
[20:51] <ScottK> jcfp: Better to change it to unrar-free | unrar and then it's fine.
[20:52] <jcfp> doesn't work with that program
[20:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:52] <geser> or move unrar to Suggests
[20:52] <ScottK> That was my next suggestion.
[20:52] <jcfp> geser: already got complaints coz it's only recommended
[20:53] <geser> does it work without unrar? if yes, the suggest it only and keep it in universe than move it because of this into multiverse
[20:53] <ScottK> jcfp: Can you adapt sabnzbdplus to work with unrar-free?
[20:54] <jcfp> geser: "work" as in start-up, yes. With a non-fatal warning. But the functionality is something the vast majority of users would want
[20:54] <geser> ScottK: unrar-free doesn't work with .rar in current use
[20:55] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:55] <jcfp> ScottK: don't think so, at least not without alot of work
[20:56] <ScottK> I would drop it to suggests and don't worry about complaints.
[20:58] <jcfp> What so bad about being in multiverse that one would go that far to prevent that?
[21:00] <geser> putting a FLOSS software into the "non-free" archive
[21:00] <ScottK> For one, it's the non-free section so stuff in there tends to get lower priority for work from MOTU.
[21:00] <ScottK> The 'proper' solution to this problem is to convince the unrar licensor to use a free license.
[21:01] <ScottK> Moving things that might use it to mulitiverse is just a bandaid on the real problem.
[21:03] <jcfp> I realise that, but the other option, making unrar to a mere suggest isn't looking too good either in that respect.
[21:18] <ScottK> The response to complaints from users I think is go ask the unrar people to fix their license.
[21:21] <jcfp> So it ends up between having a package where it doesn belong, or users ending up installing a package that misses important functionality :/
[21:22] <jcfp> nice.
[21:27] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:28] <lifeless> jcfp: important functionality that depends on unfree code; hmmm -> I'm not sure that that isn't an oxymoron for a free software distribution
[21:30] <jcfp> lifeless: that's not a choice of even the upstream devs: things on usenet tend to get distributed as rar files, and the only way to support that seems to be a non-free app
[21:30] <lifeless> or don't access those files, and tell the poster to use free software. There is always a choice, even if its not simple or convenient
[21:31] <lifeless> anyhow, its too early for this :P
[21:33] <jcfp> lifeless: good luck contacting posters on usenet ;)
[21:36] <jcfp> ScottK: if that bug needs a motu ack, please be so kind. When choosing between two evils, I'd at least want the package to work for end users - anything else kind of defeats the purpose of packaging in the first place..
[23:03] <anakron> Hi all
[23:11] <anakron> ping Laney, hi, how are you?
[23:24] <anakron> ping persia, hi, how are you?
[23:32] <anakron> there is a  motu here that can answer a question?
[23:34] <RAOF> !ask | anakron
[23:34] <anakron> XD
[23:34] <anakron> ok
[23:34] <anakron> how i can apply quilt patches without errors?
[23:34] <RAOF> The answer is "probably, but they'll be waiting for you to ask your question first :)
[23:35] <RAOF> anakron: Well, that will depend on what the errors are.
[23:35] <anakron> because im trying to apply them and i got one right applied
[23:35] <anakron> and the second one says that i must refrsh the first one
[23:35] <anakron> but even if i refresh the first one i can get to apply the second patch
[23:36] <RAOF> You probably want to pastebin a full terminal session of what you're trying to do; I may be able to spot the problem there.
[23:36] <anakron> mm
[23:36] <anakron> for ex
[23:36] <anakron> i get source of qtpfsgui
[23:36] <anakron> then i go to debian/patches
[23:36] <RAOF> You know about pastebin?
[23:37] <anakron> pastebin is to show the things that terminal says
[23:37] <anakron> like a webpage?
[23:37] <RAOF> !pastebin
[23:37] <RAOF> It's a _really_ good idea to just copy the text that's in the terminal there; that gives me exactly what you've done, and what error messages have come up.
[23:38] <anakron> ok im doing it
[23:41] <anakron> :O
[23:41] <anakron> it says that there is an error into a patch
[23:43] <anakron> how you can edit a patch?
[23:43] <RAOF> Right.  So, what you want to do is copy all the text in that terminal session to a pastebin.
[23:43] <RAOF> Then I can see what's happening, and can hopefully help you.
[23:43] <anakron> nono i understand it
[23:43] <anakron> but i need to modify the patch
[23:44] <anakron> that the reason of why it not added properly
[23:44] <RAOF> Well, at worst, you can just edit the patch in a text editor.
[23:45] <anakron> ups, my error
[23:45] <RAOF> But you should be able to push the patch, then fix it up so it applies cleanly.
[23:45] <anakron> im paste it in pastebin
[23:47] <anakron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121614/
[23:47] <anakron> look it
[23:48] <RAOF> Why are you in debian/patches?
[23:48] <anakron> where i must apply it?
[23:48] <RAOF> If you run "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a" in the root of the package directory, does that work?
[23:48] <anakron> i get confused because i try to do it in source folder but i can't
[23:49] <RAOF> Yeah, quilt is a little bit wierd.
[23:49] <anakron> it runs
[23:49] <anakron> thanks!
[23:55] <mrooney> Okay, I have a package in jaunty/universe, I can still get bugfix only / translation sync updates in right?
[23:58] <anakron> one other: if when i try to do debuild -S, i got "Latest changelog entry has no Ubuntu version number" what can i do?
[23:59] <directhex> mrooney, yes
[23:59] <directhex> anakron, is this for a PPA?
[23:59] <anakron> no
[23:59] <anakron> ping RA0F, i got with debuild "Patch 10_remove_encoding_from_desktop_file does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[23:59] <anakron> "
[23:59] <mrooney> directhex: are there any examples of an appropriate bug report that I could use as a template for a sync?


[05:19] <pleia2> nhaines: my extended presentation from today: http://princessleia.com/presentations/1404-whats-new-felton.pdf (and .odp)
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[05:27] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!
[05:30] <nhaines> I'm writing about the history of Ubuntu.  Starting with AT&T relicensing System 7 and the creation of MINIX.  :P
[05:33] <pleia2> hehe
[05:33] <nhaines> 12,000 words doesn't write itself!
[05:34] <nhaines> But I think it'll be good to do a origins-golden age-Unity style recap of Ubuntu history, then talk about all the awesome stuff in 14.04, then talk about the future and such.
[05:36]  * pleia2 nods
[05:36] <pleia2> my audiences were all linux folk, so they know about Ubuntu
[05:36] <pleia2> mostly Ubuntu users too
[05:37] <nhaines> Yeah, the presentation I'll do (right after this article!) for the installfest will be aimed at people who don't know what Unix, Linux, or operating systems are.
[05:38] <nhaines> I intend to insert extra slides so that you can just delete a few here or there and be ready for installfest, release party, general presentation, or whatever.  :D
[05:38] <nhaines> Speaker notes will be useful, I think.
[05:39] <pleia2> cool
[05:40] <nhaines> Also maybe in the next couple days I'll find out if we're having pizza during the installfest.  :)
[05:40] <nhaines> I've only had one person confirm that they're going to be there to help, so I'm hoping that increases during the week, too.  :P
[05:43] <nhaines> (Emails are going out tomorrow.)
[05:44]  * pleia2 nods
[05:45] <nhaines> How did the talk go?
[05:45] <pleia2> went well :)
[05:45] <pleia2> the guys at felton are always so friendly, love presenting there
[05:45] <nhaines> Yay.  :)
[05:47] <nhaines> Had you spoken there recently?  I seem to recall it had been a while.
[05:53] <pleia2> last spoke there 2 years ago
[05:58] <nhaines> It's always good to have friendly venues.  :)