[09:41] <mup> PR snapd#12645 opened: snapstate: fix crash in doInstall() when doing the soft checks <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12645>
[10:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#4070 opened: snapcraft commands: change "snap on snap store" to "snap in snap store" <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4070>
[12:51] <mup> PR snapd#12192 closed: autorefresh: snapd refresh awareness ux implementation refresh available hook <Created by sergio-costas> <Closed by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12192>
[13:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#4070 closed: snapcraft commands: change "snap on snap store" to "snap in snap store" <Created by rpjday> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4070>
[13:27] <mup> PR snapd#12646 opened: wayland: add support for eglstream on Core <Created by Saviq> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12646>
[13:37] <mup> PR snapd#12575 closed: tests: new store-state tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12575>
[13:37] <mup> PR snapd#12643 closed: tests: restart ssh service through systemd interface in google machines <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12643>
[13:37] <mup> PR snapd#12647 opened: tests: new invariant check to validate the test did not produce a segmentation violation <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12647>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#4071 opened: grammar fixes: a number of grammar-type cleanups, no functional mods <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4071>
[17:48] <mup> PR snapd#12645 closed: snapstate: fix crash in doInstall() when doing the soft checks <cherry-picked> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12645>
[18:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4071 closed: grammar fixes: a number of grammar-type cleanups, no functional mods <Created by rpjday> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4071>
[18:48] <mup> PR snapd#12648 opened: tests: Add rule for tcp to block dns queries on snap-network-errors test <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12648>
[19:59] <mup> PR snapd#12486 closed: tests: new store-state tool to replace the store.sh helper <⛔ Blocked> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12486>
[19:59] <mup> PR snapd#12649 opened: tests: update the tests to start using the new store-state tool <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12649>
[21:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#4072 opened: accounts.py: tweak for grammatical effect a couple comments <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4072>
[21:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#4073 opened: lint: reintroduce pylint in tox <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4073>
[22:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#4074 opened: commands: various semantic cleanups and corrections, no functional ch… <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4074>
[22:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#4075 opened: tests: mock dependency loading for patch elf test <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4075>


[07:02] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: think this commit could be related to the flickering bug? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=244115
[09:05] <tjaalton> lotuspsychje: so if you blacklist that module, do you get the same issue on 4.18?
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: 4.18 works without flickering, should i try a blacklist on <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:07] <tjaalton> lotuspsychje: my point was does 4.18 regress
[09:07] <tjaalton> 5.3 has 62b1b3b3b6d3ef3
[09:07] <tjaalton> 62b1b3b3b6d3ef3 r8169: don't activate ASPM in chip if OS can't control ASPM
[09:07] <tjaalton> maybe that "fixed" it for you
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> or on 4.19 it also flickers, i could try a blacklist there?
[09:08] <tjaalton> that commit was added in 4.20
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: so that doesnt prove why 5.0 doesnt work?
[09:09] <tjaalton> maybe not
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> i could try blacklisting it on 4.19 and 5.0 ill see what happens ok cant harm to try
[09:12] <tjaalton> and you have that hw?
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:12] <tjaalton> as in, is the module loaded now
[09:12] <tjaalton> ok
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> whats command again for modules
[09:12] <tjaalton> lsmod
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> description: Wireless interface
[09:13] <lotuspsychje>        product: Wireless-AC 9260
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> iwlwifi
[09:14] <tjaalton> there you go
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ill test it a bit later, ill ping you after ok
[09:15] <tjaalton> lsmod|grep r8169
[09:15] <tjaalton> r8169 is ethernet, not wireless
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: so this is another bug then?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ lsmod|grep r8169
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> r8169                  81920  0
[10:33] <tjaalton> loaded but not used, lspci -k should show if you have the hw
[10:33] <tjaalton> though having it loaded usually means that..
[10:45] <jeremy31> Is the used by result accurate?  I am using USB wifi and I see ath9k_htc              77824  0
[11:07] <tjaalton> ah, it shows how many modules use it..


[02:17] <Stavros> hello
[02:19] <Stavros> if you do revert -r -3, how does bzr know you're on an old revision to avoid backing up the file when reverting to the latest rev?
[02:41] <bob2> won't
[02:41] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[17:02] <Azendale> So, I think I might be doing something wrong because stuff seems harder than it should be
[17:03] <Azendale> I have a project that I'm working on, and try to make a branch for each new feature. This sometimes means that I end up having a branch of a branch, etc. (Which could probably be shown as a tree)
[17:06] <Azendale> The problem I have is that every (sub) branch has it's own folder in one main folder regardless of what it is a branch of, and I'm having a hard time knowing what came from what. This has caused problems when I finish a feature, and merge it into what I think is it's parent, and then merge that fix into the parent of that. Somewhere along the line I mess up because I don't know how the branches are related
[17:07] <Azendale> This causes problems where I later then try to merge two branches and they have conflicts because I've applied the same finished feature to then since the were branched from each other
[17:08] <Azendale> I've tried reading the documentation on the various repository formats, but I'm getting confused, and I'm not totally sure what questions to ask
[17:09] <Azendale> I guess I'm wondering if there is some way to organize the branch hierarchically, but still be able to switch between working on various branches?
[17:10] <Azendale> If it helps, I'm the only one working on this at the time, so major reorganizations are not out of the question
[17:15] <Azendale> Or maybe there's a way to have the branches be a tree of folders, and then have a totally separate folder that is a workspace that you can copy the current version of any of the branches to to work on? I'm mostly guessing here
[17:23] <Azendale> Ok, think I may have found part of it http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-guide/shared_repository_layouts.html#nested-style-project-branch-sub-branch
[19:17] <Azendale> Is doing a checkout and then an unbind the same as branching?
[19:20] <jelmer> Azendale: yes
[19:21] <Azendale> jelmer: Ok, thanks
[19:36] <Azendale> So, from reading the docs, I think I realize that I've just been using branches and not a repository. If I create a new repository, is there a way to import a branch to it?
[19:43] <jelmer> Azendale: just clone it into a local inside of the repository
[19:47] <Azendale> jelmer: As I understand it, that would be the branch command (docs say clone is an alias?) I'll try it, thanks :)
[19:47] <jelmer> Azendale: yes
[19:55] <Azendale> jelmer: Thanks for the help, I think I see how to fit the pieces together now. (Set up a no trees repository, make branches in hierarchies inside that, then make a separate working tree location to work with that is a checkout of the branch I want to work on)
[19:58] <jelmer> Azendale: that should work
[19:59] <jelmer> it's a lot more complicated than how most people use bzr though, including myself
[20:00] <Azendale> how do most people who do feature branches keep track of what is a parent of what?
[20:01] <jelmer> each branch has a pull_location that is generally set to its parent
[20:06] <Azendale> I see. I think I was messing that up by rsyncing between two computers so the locations were becoming invalid. I think I'll avoid doing that in the future though


[10:11] <Mister_Q> popey, flexiondotorg are you coming to UbuCon Europe in Paris this year?
[16:34] <popey> Mister_Q: 8-10 sept?
[18:49] <ahoneybun> yea popey


[18:23] <czajkowski> Aloha, does anyone know if there is a wordpress Ubuntu theme ?
[18:24] <nigelb> Yes, there is.
[18:28] <daker> czajkowski, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-community-webthemes/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-wordpress-theme
[18:30] <czajkowski> danke
[22:57] <paultag> Has anyone sent the wordpress theme to wordpress.com?
[22:58] <cjohnston> no.. not sure that they allow it
[22:59] <paultag> cjohnston: why not?
[22:59] <paultag> just take all ubuntu can canonical refs and strip them, set them as dynamic config vars
[22:59] <paultag> no theme issue, no license issue
[23:11] <mhall119> paultag: most of the general look and feel might fall under Canonical's trademarks
[23:11] <mhall119> even outside the color and logo
[23:12] <mhall119> it's one of those hazy legal areas
[23:12] <paultag> mhall119: then we need to relicense nonfree
[23:12] <mhall119> say what?
[23:12] <paultag> mhall119: and the branches need to be not marked as GPLv2, since there are restrictions on terms the license demands
[23:12] <mhall119> trademark and copyright aren't the same though
[23:12] <paultag> mhall119: the GPL says there can't be restrictions in that way, and if Canonical is claiming there is, they are no longer GPL free
[23:12] <mhall119> the code fits perfectly within the GPL
[23:13] <paultag> mhall119: CSS is GPL'd
[23:13] <mhall119> it's not Canonical, it's Wordpress
[23:13] <paultag> mhall119: therefore I should be able to change the background's color to green and re-distribute
[23:13] <paultag> mhall119: but I can't. Therefore it's not GPL free
[23:13] <mhall119> you can
[23:13] <paultag> mhall119: then why can't I upload to wordpress?
[23:13] <mhall119> you can if you remove all the trademark'd stuff
[23:13] <paultag> 21:59 < paultag> just take all ubuntu can canonical refs and strip them, set them as dynamic config vars
[23:14] <paultag> like that?
[23:14] <cjohnston>  general look and feel might fall under Canonical's trademarks
[23:14] <cjohnston> 18.11.36 < mhall119> even outside the color and logo
[23:14] <mhall119> at a minimum, the colors and images
[23:14] <mhall119> images being the menu stripes and dot patterns
[23:14] <cjohnston> basically diluting it so much that it isnt worth if
[23:15] <mhall119> if you did that, I don't see why you couldn't upload to Wordpress
[23:15] <paultag> someone kick canonical's ass about this, we need the theme for the loco council wordpress instance that you guys need for LD
[23:15] <mhall119> it may be worth it to someone, but not to us
[23:15] <cjohnston> paultag: you can use it
[23:15] <paultag> we have it created but not ubuntu branded, and we can't upload a tarball on wordpress.com
[23:15] <mhall119> paultag: you can use it
[23:15] <cjohnston> bzr branch lp:abd
[23:15] <paultag> cjohnston: I can't because I can't upload, we have to use the theme pool
[23:15] <cjohnston> no you dont
[23:15] <paultag> cjohnston: I don't have shell access; it's wordpress.com hosted
[23:15] <mhall119> you can't use a custom theme?
[23:15] <cjohnston> just branch it in the the wp-content/themes dir
[23:15] <paultag> mhall119: not uploaded, it has to be from the theme pool
[23:15] <paultag> I'm not an idiot, I tried
[23:15] <mhall119> really?
[23:15] <paultag> yes
[23:15] <mhall119> that's pretty limiting
[23:15] <cjohnston> where is it being hosted?
[23:16] <paultag> I used to have WP on my server, and you can there
[23:16] <cjohnston> wordpress.com?
[23:16] <paultag> cjohnston: wordpress.com
[23:17] <cjohnston> I guess try to get it on a canonical server
[23:17] <mhall119> paultag: is this because it's hosted by wordpress, or because it's using free hosting by wordpress?
[23:18] <paultag> mhall119: we literally did not think any of this through the point of getting it done. I don't think anyone cares where it's hosted at all, just no one wants to put something so overarching on their server
[23:19] <mhall119> I bet someone on the community team can arrange for an EC2 instance
[23:19] <paultag> I just don't like dealing with Canonical at all.  To the point where I went to wordpress over our own systems
[23:20] <paultag> mhall119: which is sad, frankly
[23:20] <mhall119> paultag: you should have asked, someone in the community would be happy to host it for you
[23:21] <paultag> mhall119: well I don't need a community machine, I need something that will outlast generations of contributors
[23:21] <paultag> some-machine.ubuntu.com
[23:21] <mhall119> paultag: why not put your trust in the community?
[23:22] <paultag> mhall119: because when they vanish, the server is no longer part of the community
[23:22] <mhall119> WP is easy enough to migrate from one install to another if you have ot change
[23:22] <mhall119> CoC says we don't just up and vanish
[23:22] <paultag> that's not always the case in practice
[23:22] <paultag> I've seen people just up and leave more times then I can count
[23:22] <paultag> I'd rather this be canonical's deal
[23:22] <mhall119> paultag: true, but you're asking Canonical to trust in community members
[23:23] <paultag> mhall119: the same ones that develop the product they're selling?!
[23:23] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I am
[23:23] <cjohnston> paultag: Want me to see if I can make it happen on a canonical server? I know the people to do it.. case in point I just got status.u.c up
[23:23] <mhall119> paultag: would you trust me to host it?
[23:23] <paultag> cjohnston: yeah, that'd be awesome. This is just another blocker
[23:23] <cjohnston> got a call...
[23:23] <paultag> mhall119: yes, but I don't want it on your server, I'd rather this be part of Canonical. It makes more sense. I also trust myself to host it, but I won't, since the LC does not exist while I'm here
[23:24] <mhall119> huh?
[23:25] <paultag> the LC is not a sub-team of something that's exclusive to me, the LC will be here long after I'm gone, hopefully
[23:25] <mhall119> paultag: I'm just suggesting that maybe it's okay to trust a community member to make this contribution to the community, and follow the CoC if they have to withdraw the offer
[23:25] <mhall119> what's the worst that can happen? the blog goes down?
[23:25] <paultag> mhall119: this, to me, is a clear cut example of when Canonical needs to pitch in and help
[23:26] <paultag> mhall119: this is a governance board, official Ubuntu in every way shape and form
[23:26] <mhall119> paultag: I just don't see why it's imperative that Canonical help, when the community is able and willing to
[23:26] <mhall119> it's also very representative of the community
[23:26] <paultag> it's not someone's personal blog, it's not some half-assed project, it's a function of Ubuntu. A function that keeps 18,000 members rocking
[23:26] <paultag> mhall119: someone could host Launchpad, too
[23:26] <mhall119> they could
[23:26] <mhall119> except have you seen the code?
[23:27] <paultag> mhall119: but they won't because you don't want to keep migrating and playing with it
[23:27] <mhall119> though wordpress ain't much better
[23:27] <paultag> mhall119: it might be doable, but it's not how to run a project
[23:27] <paultag> this is a clear example of how Canonical should be helping Ubuntu
[23:27] <mhall119> paultag: the LC isn't your typical project, maybe a non-traditional approach is okay here
[23:28] <paultag> it's not my project at all, it's the communities
[23:28] <paultag> community's
[23:28] <mhall119> so the community can host it
[23:28] <paultag> I guess that's the right plural
[23:28] <paultag> mhall119: I don't think you understand
[23:29] <paultag> mhall119: having this community hosted is absurd, it's officially part of Ubuntu's structure, and having it hop from server to server is way more work then anyone wants or needs.
[23:30] <paultag> mhall119: I understand you need to look out for Canonical, but you see my point
[23:30] <mhall119> I see your point
[23:30] <mhall119> but you misunderstand me, I'm not looking out for Canonical here, I'm looking out for the community
[23:31] <paultag> mhall119: if you were, you'd want this in a fixture that did not have to be maintained
[23:31] <mhall119> why?
[23:31] <paultag> mhall119: no one is honored by the privilege to host a blog
[23:31] <paultag> it's a silly detail
[23:31] <mhall119> IMO, showing that the community can be trusted to do this is more important that the possibility of downtime
[23:31] <paultag> mhall119: exactly; give us access to an ubuntu server, ffs
[23:32] <mhall119> how can we ask Canonical to give cjohnston access to the loco-directory server, if we won't trust him to run the LC's blog?
[23:32] <mhall119> mind you, I trust him
[23:32] <paultag> mhall119: show that the community can be trusted to run a wordpress instance on some corner of the server somewhere
[23:32] <paultag> mhall119: that's a silly argument
[23:33] <paultag> mhall119: cjohnston should have access to the ld server because he maintains the LD. If you trust them to write code, why not trust them to run it?
[23:33] <mhall119> take your argument against community hosting, and replace "host" with "sysadmin", and you'll have canonical's argument against community admins
[23:33] <mhall119> what if cjohnston up and vanishes tomorrow?
[23:33] <paultag> mhall119: I don't care about community admins
[23:33] <paultag> mhall119: who cares? it's his key that's in there
[23:33] <mhall119> I care about community admins
[23:33] <paultag> mhall119: he's still under the CoC, and he's still the same person
[23:33] <paultag> it's not like him leaving has any affect anywhere
[23:34] <paultag> whereas leaving and having a server go down destroyes a channel of communication
[23:34] <mhall119> temporarily
[23:34] <mhall119> if cjohnston disappears and loco-directory has a bug, it doesn't get fixed
[23:34] <paultag> mhall119: look, we need a server. Canonical aught to provide hosting, and if not, let me put the theme on wordpress. Otherwise, I'm pissed. Or we don't do the blog.  I'm just going to call the blog blocked and not move forward with it. Let me know if Canonical's stance on this silly stuff changes.
[23:37] <mhall119> or figure out how to upload a custom, branded theme to wordpress.com
[23:38] <mhall119> paultag: it's in legal, don't expect quick action
[23:39] <mhall119> I can't believe that wordpress.com won't let you use trademarks on a hosted blog