[06:06] <zzyber> lets have a uptime on desktop competition
[06:06] <ekimus> BTJustice: ~/.kde == $HOME/.kde == /home/btjustce/.kde in your case
[06:07] <BTJustice> ah!
[06:07] <socomm> How about a competition that requires actual skills?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> asfra: else do " kill 8558 "  ( that's the process ID)
[06:07] <deFrysk> kaffeend, you have to put a # in front of the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list to comment the cd line out
[06:07] <asfra> ok, skype started after pkill
[06:07] <kaffeend> deFrysk okay - thanks bud
[06:07] <BTJustice> Alright, I will admit my stupidity, what is a good guide that is easy and enjoyable to read about beginners on Linux?
[06:08] <BTJustice> Not too technical unless it has to be
[06:08] <thoreauputic> asfra: sometimes when something goes wrong the app is still kind of running - so killing it fixes the problem
[06:08] <ekimus> BTJustice: just work with it and if you have a certain problem try to solve exactly that problem.
[06:08] <BTJustice> That's why I came here.  That and my nerd is at work.
[06:08] <asfra> thoreauputic: ok, I see...
[06:09] <ekimus> BTJustice: and the 'not to technical guide to linux' is imho www.google.com
[06:09] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: a good intro to the comand line is http://tuxfiles.org
[06:09] <jowi> BTJustice, open this file in your webbrowser: /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-quickguide/html/index.html
[06:09] <socomm> ekimus: google.com/linux
[06:10] <jowi> BTJustice, that covers the desktop at least
[06:10] <kaffeend> Invalid operation installation
[06:10] <zzyber> my desktop has been online 19 days
[06:10] <kaffeend> hmmm
[06:11] <kaffeend> zzyber are you a gamer?
[06:11] <BTJustice> COOL!  Thank you all for the help!   It seems weird to me that a sound problem should make it impossible to hang up an attemp to call out.. but I don't doubt it :) is it difficult to get dmix running instead? I didnt find anything about sound in the preferences
[06:11] <jowi> BTJustice, but it takes some time to remember it all. practice makes perfect
[06:11] <kaffeend> BTJustice if you pick this up quick you're a better man (or woman?) than I am!
[06:12] <zzyber> kaffeend, on a ubuntu?? I dont think so.......or maybe a solitare addicted can play on a linux machine
[06:12] <jowi> gotto go. take care all
[06:12] <thoreauputic> asfra: I was just guessing about esd - there might be other reasons why skype won't work
[06:12] <BTJustice> One last questions,  I use to be able to adjust my clock by rigfht-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  THe clock never opens.  Why might htat be?
[06:12] <jowi> asfra, it IS a sound problem
[06:12] <kaffeend> zzyber don't talk like that! I'm hoping to be playing soon :s
[06:13] <thoreauputic> asfra: did you install it from a .deb file? Or how?
[06:13] <BTJustice> lol, I will make some coffee and start reading
[06:13] <jowi> asfra: do this: in a terminal: killall esd
[06:13] <thoreauputic> jowi: we've been there
[06:13] <asfra> thoreauputic: yes, it could be.. I installed it by the directions in ubuntuguide.com.. should I do an uinstall and and a new install?
[06:13] <zzyber> kaffeend, truly......me too but as long as every company out there continue to write games for windows we will be out of games
[06:14] <jowi> thoreauputic, turned off the soundserver at start and enabled alsasink?
[06:14] <kaffeend> not with cedega tho?
[06:14] <asfra> jowi: I already tryed that, but it still dont work
[06:14] <thoreauputic> jowi: you might be in a better position to help - I don't use esd at all ( changed to dmix)
[06:14] <zzyber> kaffeend, cedega, yes some games but its a lot of trouble trying to play "good" games
[06:14] <jowi> asfra, ok. it solved it for me though. skype hung at all outgoing calls.
[06:15] <kaffeend> like FarCry?
[06:15] <jowi> asfra, just double check a few things:
[06:15] <Chaotic_Shield> I hate you Linksys.
[06:15] <Linksys> Me too, loser.
[06:15] <Linksys> ;)
[06:15] <BTJustice> I'd kill if GTA San Andreas worked in Linux.
[06:16] <asfra> jowi: yes...
[06:16] <jowi> asfra, must start gnome first
[06:16] <asfra> by the way thanks for all the help we n00bs get here, it's really invaluable! :-)
[06:16] <kaffeend> I just got San Andreas too :(
[06:16] <BTJustice> One last question,  I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.   :P
[06:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone want to help me with a networking issue?
[06:19] <kaffeend> Chaotic_Shield what's up and how can I help?
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> The ceiling is up.
[06:20] <asfra> jowi: did that, however when I tried to test the sound after selecting alsa I got an error message.. I will try to start skype again now
[06:20] <kaffeend> Okay
[06:20] <kaffeend> go on
[06:20] <kaffeend> I'm all ears
[06:20] <Chaotic_Shield> And you can help me with trying to give my Wireless AP a static IP on my network without disabling DHCP for the rest of it
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> I have http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry for the UGLY link.
[06:21] <kaffeend> good luck with that bud :P
[06:21] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my root password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, it doesn't lurb you?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:21] <BTJustice> No but it is off my 3 hours
[06:21] <BTJustice> *by
[06:21] <kaffeend> I don't think you can have a static IP with DHCP
[06:21] <kaffeend> how can you?
[06:21] <ptlo> you can
[06:21] <kaffeend> really?
[06:21] <ptlo> if you instruct dhcp server to give you the same ip every time
[06:21] <asfra> jowi: I did a pkillall esd, and pkill skype to get it started again.. I will try it now
[06:21] <hyphenated> kaffeend: you can assign the same IP to the same MAC
[06:22] <ptlo> (based on your mac)
[06:22] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[06:22] <hyphenated> instead of just declaring a pool of IPs and letting any MAC grab one
[06:22] <kaffeend> yah
[06:22] <jowi> asfra what error did you get?
[06:22] <asfra> jowi: damn you're good!! works like a charm! thanks
[06:22] <jowi> asfra, magic man
[06:23] <jowi> NOW i need to leave. take care all
[06:23] <kaffeend> cya jowi
[06:24] <Funraiser> is it possible to have two persons working on the same computer with Ubuntu (two keyboards and two screens ) at the same time?
[06:24] <kaffeend> !java
[06:24] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:24] <kaffeend> !mp3
[06:24] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:24] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: however now xmms cant play my mp3. Xmms tells me that my sound card isn't correctly configured.. is that a preferences thing in xmms or something I have to change in my soundcard settings?
[06:25] <d_i> Hi Guys!
[06:25] <kaffeend> god I love tabs!
[06:25] <BTJustice> !clock
[06:25] <ubotu> BTJustice: I don't know
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: it also says that the correct output-plugin is chosen
[06:25] <kaffeend> is xmms any good?
[06:25] <shellhack> hello
[06:25] <d_i> Does ubuntu 5.04 come with NTFS Read support from the start or do you need to set it up ?
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: and that now other programs are blocking the soundcard
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help I dont know what is going on with my screen configuration
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> f00king hell.
[06:26] <kaffeend> what plays m p 3s out of the box?
[06:26] <nophix> d_i: it is supported
[06:26] <[XPD8] -ReDDoG-> d_i: it reads NTFS from the start
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help me
[06:26] <d_i> ok thanks :)
[06:26] <pfp> Funraiser: it should, just define two X servers in gdm
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> can anyone help me?
[06:26] <Funraiser> kaffeend, xine
[06:26] <d_i> Is it possible for Ubuntu to read/write to FAT32 ?
[06:26] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: of course! :)
[06:27] <d_i> ok, im a new ubuntu user then :D
[06:27] <Funraiser> pfp, and how can i connect two keyboards?
[06:27] <batma8> does anyon ehave a good NDISwrapper install help page?
[06:27] <kaffeend> d_i yes
[06:27] <d_i> gonna install it today :D
[06:27] <batma8> i found a good link..but its dead now
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: good luck
[06:27] <d_i> thx :)
[06:27] <asfra> jowi: fixed it in the preferences in xmms! thanks for the help!
[06:27] <nophix> :)
[06:27] <d_i> 5.04 is the new version right ?...
[06:27] <pfp> Funraiser: that's the part i'm not sure about :) probably one usb, one ps2, then separate configurations for the two x servers
[06:27] <nophix> yes
[06:27] <kaffeend> asfra jowi's been gone for a little while now I'm afraid
[06:27] <d_i> because i think i heard someone talk about something newer..
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> pdfs*
[06:28] <Funraiser> pfp, ohhh i see
[06:28] <holycow> hey guys, i added a new network card, usind dhcp, but now i get 'ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted' and on ifdown 'ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"'
[06:28] <The_Vox> d_i: breezy...but that's not out yet, it's unstable and, at the moment, pretty broken for most users
[06:28] <d_i> ok
[06:28] <holycow> does that even make sense? are there permissions on a per interface basis somewhere that i'm not aware of?
[06:28] <d_i> Well gonna try 5.04
[06:28] <asfra> kaffend: hmm, I hope he is ok :)
[06:28] <d_i> thanks again everyone :)
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> hmmm
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here good at networking? I have a quandry.
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> and my system is making beeping noises.
[06:29] <shellhack> help me I dont know how to change my screen resolution
[06:29] <Funraiser> pfp, thanks
[06:30] <pfp> Funraiser: good luck
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Chaotic_Shield,  and why do you think tht has to do with networking?
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[06:30] <Funraiser> pfp, well that's the end of that trial
[06:30] <Funraiser> :-)
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Dr_Willis, because it was gaim making the beeping noises.
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> But I actually have a networking problem.
[06:31] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, what's the networking prob?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I did it, but isnt workt
[06:31] <shellhack> work
[06:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I have 2 routers, one wifi, the other not.
[06:31] <kaffeend> if I pause all my firefox downloads and restart firefox can I resume all downloads without fear of losing them?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: that is the problem
[06:31] <Funraiser> kaffeend, yes
[06:32] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks - wanted to make sure
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to place the non-wifi router next to the cable modem, which is in the basement, and then assign a static IP to the wifi router, which I'll use as an AP
[06:32] <bina> is there a database on the net that I can use to check whether hardware etc (in this case a webcam) will work under Ubuntu?
[06:32] <Funraiser> kaffeend, last time i did it worked
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> but I want to keep DHCP enabled for the rest of the net.
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_shield: my screen resolution no change of 640x480
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno then shellhack
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: what?
[06:33] <BTJustice> Can anyone help me with the Kubuntu clock?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't know.
[06:33] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time.  I entered my root password and there I was.  Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens.  The clock never opens.  Why might that be?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you possibly uninstalled the clock app?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> package*
[06:33] <BTJustice> I see the clock.
[06:33] <BTJustice> So wouldn't the app be here?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> possibly it's 2 packages.
[06:34] <Howitzer> i forgot how ou have to add Windows HD's in fstab
[06:34] <codius> How can I add support for MP3 files?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:34] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:34] <BTJustice> What are those 2 files called in Synaptic?
[06:34] <kaffeend> If you exit now, 2 downloads will be canceled.   I can't even close it.
[06:38] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I installed rkhunter, after I restarted the system and the screen resolution has changed
[06:38] <kaffeend> Hmmm
[06:38] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, great. Fixed your problem?
[06:39] <gehel2> hello all ! I need advice, which program should I use to connect to my Canon ixus 40 camera ?
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux gehel2
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to check something with the second router.
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Unless.
[06:39] <BTJustice> There it goes finally.  I was freaking out, lol.
[06:39] <Howitzer> Aaaaargh
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Is there a way to force a specific program to use a specific network interface?
[06:39] <Howitzer> i'm going nuts
[06:39] <BTJustice> Which one is the KDE kicker clock
[06:39] <kaffeend> BTJustice good 1
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, it depends on the program, which program is it ?
[06:40] <BTJustice> It sucks being a n00b again to something.
[06:40] <Chaotic_Shield> FireFox.
[06:40] <Howitzer> i finally found how to add a windows partition, now i see it's the wrong partition :x
[06:40] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: no that is the problem I cant change my screen resolution of 640x480
[06:40] <BTJustice> If i do a search for clock, it finds 33 packages.
[06:40] <kaffeend> BTJustice doesn't it? Damn I'm n00bier than you dude
[06:40] <moemy> please helpe me..
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <BrianAnthony> how do I mount an NTFS drive?
[06:40] <kaffeend> heh
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, nope, client programs will delegate routing to the kernel (most of them anyway)
[06:40] <Howitzer> How do i use RPM'S??
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> PFT.
[06:41] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: when I installed that source the problem came in
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, right click on panel > add to panel > applets > clock
[06:41] <lunitik> or something like that
[06:41] <BTJustice> So which package is the clock I see in KDE?
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> well then uninstall the source shellhack
[06:41] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, the clock is part of kicker
[06:41] <lunitik> (the kde panel)
[06:41] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, you could always tweak the routing tables ...
[06:41] <BTJustice> THeo nly one that even mentions kde is kworldclock
[06:41] <amonkey> where is the startup noise stored?
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, its part of 'kicker' like I just siad
[06:41] <lunitik> said
[06:41] <buntu-a> i forget my password admin
[06:42] <kaffeend> who cares about the clock? The best clock is the Konfabulator Digital anyway
[06:42] <buntu-a> how to get it
[06:42] <buntu-a> ?
[06:42] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: ok
[06:42] <Howitzer> Guys, i need some help fast,
[06:42] <Howitzer> How do i open .rpm's in sudo mode?
[06:42] <lunitik> kaffeend, if you like goofy looking amature art I guess...
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> Funraiser: what am I looking for?
[06:42] <anacron_> Howitzer: alien -i
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> ah
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> gotcha
[06:42] <anacron_> i think
[06:42] <lunitik> anacron_, no
[06:42] <kaffeend> lunitik are you for real?  :P
[06:43] <Howitzer> anacron_, that converts it :x
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, alien --to-deb some.deb && dpkg -i some.deb
[06:43] <anacron_> oh you said open
[06:43] <buntu-a> hello
[06:43] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, Ctrl f then NTFS
[06:43] <BTJustice> OK, got them installing now
[06:43] <gehel2> Howitzer, well, under ubuntu, you should use .deb ... mixing rpm from foreign distro is the key to troubles ...
[06:43] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I dont know the name of the package
[06:43] <Howitzer> i know
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> well then.
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> You're screwed!
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, with sudo infront of each command of course
[06:43] <Howitzer> but i need the libgnomeuimm26 package
[06:44] <pfp> Chaotic_Shield: maybe --cmd-owner in iptables would help you?
[06:44] <BTJustice> One last question, I swear, what do you guys recommend for e-mail?  Kmail?  Evolution?  Or something else?
[06:44] <kaffeend> wtf IS sudo anyway?
[06:44] <Howitzer> in order to compile gparted, i need that file (although i've installed it before and this is the first time it complains about it)
[06:44] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, i guess only the first router does the DHCP assigning, the other one is just a switch
[06:44] <kaffeend> pseudo?
[06:45] <Funraiser> kaffeend, sudo is superuser do
[06:45] <Howitzer> sudo is a way to run something in SuperUser mode
[06:45] <kaffeend> Evolution is da bomb BTJustice
[06:45] <kaffeend> I love it
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, Thunderbird for regular use... Evolution is nice, but overkill for most cases
[06:45] <kaffeend> ah
[06:45] <gehel2> BTJustice, I would say thunderbird, or maybe evolution ...
[06:45] <Howitzer> i can't see the diff between thunderbird or evolution :x
[06:45] <BTJustice> I am surprised you guys don't like Kmail.
[06:45] <kaffeend> Funraiser I just read how I shouldn't use the command line as super user :s
[06:45] <BTJustice> I hated Thunderbird.
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, KMail is simple like Thunderbird... only crappier
[06:46] <Seveas> slowpile, turn that script off
[06:46] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, It seems you have an interesting problem, could you please restate it ? I just arrived ...
[06:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, that's what I'm trying to do, but I need to assign a static IP to one of the routers from the other.
[06:46] <BTJustice> Well I use it in Kontact.  Seems like there are a lot of options there in Kontact.
[06:46] <steven> why do i get an error at boot time trying to set up the system clock using the hardware clock as reference
[06:46] <gehel2> BTJustice, I just dont like email in general ... Actually, the only really nice email client is mahogany. It just crashes far too often ....
[06:46] <lunitik> BTJustice, Kontact is just a shell for about 6 old crappy apps
[06:46] <BTJustice> My nerd friend uses Mutt for everything.     K3B comes to mind... many seem amature though
[06:48] <kaffeend> steven: now THAT I can't help you with - sorry
[06:49] <lunitik> and Blender... that looks a nice app too
[06:49] <steven> ok thanks anyways
[06:49] <giardino> i need some help
[06:49] <kaffeend> apokryphos no I don't have a sense of humour
[06:49] <Seveas> giardino, with what?
[06:49] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: its strange but my apt couldnt find the X package
[06:49] <daxuza> me too
[06:49] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[06:49] <daxuza> giardino : me too
[06:49] <Seveas> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <lunitik> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <steven> can somebody help me setting up the right time zone
[06:49] <lunitik> Seveas, damn you  :P
[06:49] <apokryphos> kaffeend: notice your K there in front of your name. You're another closet KDE aficionado, admit it :P
[06:49] <Funraiser> Chaotic, well if the second one has a specific IP number then the first router can't be in DHCP mode, that means the first one must be in non dhcp, the second dhcp
[06:49] <kaffeend> steven good luck tho - hang around and keep askin around
[06:49] <Seveas> steven, sudo base-config
[06:49] <BTJustice> Is it possible to configure reply and forward headers in Evolution?  Change time to 12 hour am/pm?
[06:50] <lunitik> Seveas, tzconfig ?
[06:50] <kaffeend> NO!!!
[06:50] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:50] <steven> ok thanks
[06:50] <Seveas> lunitik, might work too :)
[06:50] <maketo> running hoary, 2.6.10 kernel, compiled my own <IP_ADDRESS> and trying to do mkinitrd -o initrd-<IP_ADDRESS>, comes back with no error, however the initrd image is not created. Any ideas?
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: acceptance is the first step
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffeend goes way back
[06:50] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, it's called X-window-system-core
[06:50] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, just a guess
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, type 'sudo tzconfig'
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: yah... that's what they all said.
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, what Seveas said is overkill
[06:50] <Seveas> maketo, you should use make-kpkg for compiling kernels on ubuntu/debian systems
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffee is German for coffee, and I'm a fiend for caffeine, so kaffeend
[06:50] <barkley> I wonder if totem and/or gstreamer will ever be stable
[06:51] <maketo> Seveas: I used to be able to do it myself
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, I just want the DHCP server to assign the same damn IP to the AP
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> that's it.
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, its stable here
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> That's all I'm asking
[06:51] <kaffeend> and I fuckin hate blue desktops! :P
[06:51] <barkley> lunitik, yeah..if you mess with it a bit...probably some alsa, oss issue
[06:51] <Seveas> maketo, that's not the point :) make-kpkg generates .deb files and that eases administration
[06:51] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, bind9 assigning it?
[06:51] <deprave> so make it purple
[06:51] <giardino> my X its not atarting. and i change the line driver "ati" to "vesa" and still not starting the X
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> lunitik, ?
[06:51] <kaffeend> ewww
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, codec issue more than likely...
[06:52] <Seveas> plus it takes care of all compiling and initrd stuff
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: needless to say, blue being the most popular favourite colour, I think kde went with the safest bet ;-)
[06:52] <kaffeend> lime Gnome Mmmm...
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:52] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, I'm just trying to figure out why you are asking here about your router...
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: of course, you only need to alter one file to make all the colours in kde different
[06:52] <BTJustice> what is kaffend?
[06:52] <steven> lunitik, my time zome is right but i get the error at boot time
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, nope.  it just dies at startup
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941 <-- that's my router.
[06:52] <giardino> i modiffied the xorg.conf with napo
[06:52] <daxuza> giordino : why X ?
[06:52] <Seveas> giardino, what is the error message?
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, but i'm pretty happy with a recent colony 2 install, plus apt-get upgrade
[06:52] <kaffeend> BTJustice what is what?
[06:52] <lunitik> barkley, no idea what could be wrong... although I'm using totem-xine
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> I want to know if you can get it to assign a static IP (or the same IP everytime the leave expires) to a particular device.
[06:53] <Joose^> hi again xD
[06:53] <znh> Seveas: I'm wondering, why do they make gnome the default wm in ubuntu?
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffend
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, sure
[06:53] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, call the supplier of the router
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffeend
[06:53] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:53] <kaffeend> coz it rocks
[06:53] <BTJustice> what is it?
[06:53] <BTJustice> something in KDE?
[06:53] <barkley> lunitik, heh. this is the first time i've ever used a modem on linux in the 8 years i've been using linux
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> znh, you can find kubuntu which has KDE instead of Gnome.
[06:53] <giardino> th error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:53] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:53] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:53] <lunitik> znh, because the guy that pays for the developement uses gnome
[06:53] <palandia> Hi there
[06:53] <apokryphos> znh: it's Mark Shuttleworth's primary desktop interest
[06:53] <kaffeend> Kafeine is a media player in KDE
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, ok, next step. How?
[06:53] <znh> Chaotic_Shield: I didn't ask you any question, and I know - I use it myself
[06:53] <sektor> hey
[06:53] <palandia> can anyone help me with apt-get
[06:53] <sektor> i have a strange problem
[06:53] <palandia> please
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, way off topic here, read the manual...
[06:54] <sektor> i need gmake, but can't seem to find it in synaptic
[06:54] <valuedcustomer> could someone help me with screen resolution?
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I did.
[06:54] <sektor> anyone know why it's not in there?
[06:54] <Seveas> znh gnome is easier to support and more stable
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I read it upside down and backwards.
[06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell valuedcustomer about resolution
[06:54] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, ok If seveas is taking care of you, you're all set, i'm outta here
[06:54] <Seveas> (plus it looks better :))
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:54] <sektor> valuedcustomer, probably not, but what is your problem?
[06:54] <kaffeend> BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:54] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:54] <znh> Seveas: I see
[06:54] <gehel2> palandia, state your problem and we might ...
[06:54] <giardino> Seveas the error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:54] <lunitik> sektor, gnu make is the default make... install build-essential for a basic devel environment
[06:54] <elvirolo> when i try to add the volume control in the gnome panel, it doesn't show up ... can anyone help me ?
[06:54] <buntu-a> how change the password admin?? please help....
[06:54] <asfra> just a quick n00b question again: is using apt and pressing '-'  a good way to do an uinstall( meaning that everything associated with that program disappear)?  thanks
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, type !mpe
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3*
[06:54] <ubotu> Chaotic_Shield: Wish i knew
[06:55] <Joose^> !mpe
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[06:55] <ubotu> Joose^: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:55] <valuedcustomer> i have generic nvidia card and had right resolution (1280x1024). now i'm 640x480 with no other option.
[06:55] <Seveas> buntu-a, read what ubotu says
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:55] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:55] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:55] <apokryphos> buntu-a: Ubuntu uses sudo. It's your user password
[06:55] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[06:55] <Seveas> !root
[06:55] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <znh> buntu-a: Open a terminal, and typ sudo passwd
[06:55] <daxuza> giardino: when you enter startx ? are-you a probleme with installation
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, look at the !mp3 link
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, restart
[06:55] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, i know that sounds shitty, but it worked for me
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> that's a really gay script.
[06:55] <kaffeend> !Crack
[06:55] <steven> does somebody know any free shell server
[06:55] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[06:55] <znh> !
[06:55] <kaffeend> haha
[06:55] <ubotu> znh: I don't know
[06:55] <znh> :-)
[06:56] <Seveas> kaffeend, please don't play with the bot
[06:56] <BTJustice> kaffeend BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:56] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:56] <BTJustice> What do you mean?
[06:56] <kaffeend> seveas sorry :s
[06:56] <elvirolo> help anyone ?
[06:56] <valuedcustomer> ok will try
[06:56] <Seveas> palandia, you will need to reboot
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <lunitik> palandia, cat /etc/motd
[06:56] <Seveas> and then you will see the difference
[06:56] <gregg_> palandia: /etc/lsb-release
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <apokryphos> kaffeend: play with him in /msg  as much as you want though :P
[06:58] <giardino> well... thanks yor the help
[06:58] <gregg_> lunitik: uh, nothing about hoary there :)
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, bah, they moved it... /etc/issue
[06:58] <kaffeend> love playin with that crazy bot
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, actually... I think I just had a brain fry... although it ought to be in a file called '/etc/ubuntu-version' and we should get rid of /etc/debian-version ...
[06:58] <sektor> lunitik, i installed the build-essential thing
[06:59] <daxuza> daxuza
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, good job?
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, but still get "gmake: command not found"
[06:59] <gregg_> lunitik: i'd like that too
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, sorry, i tend to use <enter> too often
[06:59] <gregg_> /etc/debian-version at 3.1 is kinda pointless if you ask me
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, alias gmake=make
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, the build script you use is flaky
[06:59] <daxuza> go to make lunch
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, which make
[07:00] <sektor> it probably is
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, get a non-crack-using package
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, euh, dunno what you mean
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, what are you trying to install?
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, i dl Chromium from sourceforge and did make
[07:01] <lunitik> sektor, 'apt-get install chromium'
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, i built it at school, it should work
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, just need gmake apparently
[07:01] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove something from the alias list?
[07:02] <Seveas> sektor, chromium is in the repositories....
[07:02] <Seveas> !info chromium
[07:02] <ubotu> chromium: (Fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.9.12-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 436 kB
[07:02] <sektor> lol
[07:02] <sektor> not that chromium
[07:02] <Seveas> :)
[07:02] <sektor> chromium is a framework for distributed graphics
[07:03] <Seveas> alias gmake=make should get rid of 'gmake not found' errors
[07:03] <sektor> Seveas, tried that, didn't work
[07:03] <calamari> hi
[07:03] <Seveas> sektor, still the same error?
[07:03] <gregg_> sektor: ./configure'd it?
[07:03] <sektor> /bin/sh: gmake: command not found
[07:03] <lunitik> sektor, edit the configure script to look for make not gmake... its obviously built for a BSD machine
[07:03] <Seveas> argh
[07:04] <Seveas> it executes sh to call gmake
[07:04] <Seveas> that build system is on crack
[07:04] <sektor> lol
[07:04] <lunitik> Seveas, hence what I just said
[07:04] <holycow> guys, what are the proper permissions for the /etc/networking folder ... 644?
[07:04] <Seveas> sektor, sudo ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake
[07:04] <gregg_> woah, hardcore
[07:04] <sektor> Seveas, tnx :)
[07:05] <calamari> Amaranth: smeg doesn't seem to allow me to delete any menu items.  Is this a bug, or has it not been implemented yet?
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: what kind of build system does this program use?
[07:05] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove stuff from my alias list?
[07:05] <sektor> gregg_, dunno
[07:05] <gregg_> autotools?
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, 755
[07:05] <sektor> i'm just supposed to type 'make' and it's supposed to work
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, its a directory... so its always odd
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: take a look at the makefile before making crazy symlinks
[07:06] <sektor> too late
[07:06] <monsterror> DOes anyone know if there's a linux version of Azerues?
[07:06] <lunitik> sektor, the script is calling for something else... so tell it not to
[07:06] <holycow> lunitik, okay ... what about the contents? i was about to chmod -R the dir ... ?
[07:06] <lunitik> monsterror, yes
[07:06] <monsterror> Or some other BitTorrent client for that matter?
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: azureus is java, so yes
[07:06] <mindmedic> monsterror, its java, and yes there is
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, no
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: well, the original
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, I'm not telling you each permission though... wtf did you change it?
[07:06] <mindmedic> theres even a gtk version, and next time, at least visit the homepage first
[07:07] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:07] <holycow> lunitik, nm, i'm asking what the proper permission set is for the contents on the folder, why it changed is none of your business
[07:07] <kaffeend> can I create desktop shortcut icons for my apps?
[07:07] <holycow> thats okay i got the answer anyway thanks
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:07] <lunitik> holycow, thanks for the attitude... I won't be helping you again...
[07:07] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, still trying to set static DHCP addresses on your linksys ? From the manual, it doesnt seems it's possible. Anyway, DHCP is usually a bad idea for network equipement
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:08] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:08] <lunitik> root__, come back as a regular user
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> hrm.
[07:08] <root__> i have rebooted my warty now i am in hoary
[07:08] <holycow> lunitik, you get what you dish out
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> maybe doing it by setting the wifi router as DHCP?
[07:08] <lunitik> holycow, you are now on ignore
[07:08] <holycow> woot!
[07:09] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, if you get to me on /msg I might be of some help, but it goes a bit fast in here ...
[07:09] <kaffeend> trying to find out how to make a desktop shortcut
[07:09] <lunitik> palandia, no really... get off IRC and come back as a normal user
[07:09] <palandia> ok now i am palandia
[07:10] <sektor> lunitik, what is this gmake about ?
[07:10] <palandia> i am in recovery mode...
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, the install scripts are on crack... you need to change them... but you don't appear to want to
[07:10] <palandia> i have a problem with gdm or xserver
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, gmake is what gnu make is called on BSD machines
[07:10] <gregg_> sektor: non-gnu systems have their own make (which is different from the GNU one), so GNU make gets called gmake
[07:10] <palandia> whe i reboot the machine it enter into level 5 and tries to get into gdm
[07:11] <sektor> gregg_, tnx, at least now i know something :)
[07:11] <lunitik> palandia, su anotheruser
[07:11] <palandia> ok quitind
[07:11] <palandia> g
[07:11] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what file extension runs a programe please?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, any
[07:11] <palandia> it ok now?
[07:11] <kaffeend> lunitik any?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, UNIX understands MIME types... not file extensions
[07:11] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:11] <gehel2> kaffeend, no file exension. use "chmod a+x <file>" to make it executable
[07:12] <palandia> hi there
[07:12] <kaffeend> simple as that?
[07:12] <palandia> io have upgraded from warty to hoary
[07:12] <palandia> and i still have problems with my Unichrome
[07:12] <lunitik> gehel2, a=all?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, UNIX itself doesnt understand MIME types, some programs do ...
[07:12] <elwood> palandia, what is unichrome?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, a=all yess
[07:12] <palandia> i cant see anything when it goes into X
[07:12] <palandia> VIA/S3 UniChrome GRaphics Card
[07:13] <palandia> X is configured to use vesa
[07:13] <mindmedic> argl, s3
[07:13] <palandia> but when it goes into X
[07:13] <mindmedic> sorry
[07:13] <jkinz> kaffeend:  UNIX doesn't even need MIME types.  The system identifies files by looking at their actual content, and in some cases, by their "Magic number"
[07:13] <gregg_> unichrome is an via/s3 graphics chipset
[07:13] <kaffeend> does the filename have to be inside the <>?
[07:13] <lunitik> !tell palandia about configx
[07:13] <lunitik> kaffeend, no
[07:14] <gehel2> kaffeend, nope, assuming your file is named some_file, type "chmod a+x some_file"
[07:14] <steven> why do i get this when trying to run mpg321 Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[07:14] <kaffeend> lunitik ok thanks
[07:14] <lunitik> steven, because esd is using /dev/dsp
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend "<>" is a convention meaning "put something here that matches what is described here"
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend: for example <file name> means "use a file name in this part of the command
[07:14] <steven> lunitik, and what is esd
[07:15] <palandia> my prboelm is tahta when i go into X my conosle ttys seems to be in FB or 50 lines or somenthing lioke that but i cant read anything only the first line seems to be in test mode ...and obviously nothing of graphics menus or that...i only see a gray box with blue background and 2 red options
[07:15] <gehel2> kaffeend, we also sometimes use "[some_file] "
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, Enlightened Sound Daemon ... a software mixer
[07:15] <palandia> text mode
[07:15] <steven> lunitik, and how can i make work mpg321
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, allows more than one program to use the sound card... but the apps have to support it
[07:15] <jkinz> kaffeend: what gehel2 said ;-) (but only people using *nix less than 15 years....
[07:15] <palandia> anyone here has VIA/S3 Unichrome ?
[07:15] <gregg_> palandia: uh, try to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the "via" driver... also make sure your monitor timings are OK
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, pkill esd
[07:16] <gregg_> yeah, me
[07:16] <kaffeend> well, I got: chmod: cannot access `TeamSpeak': No such file or directory
[07:16] <sektor> lunitik, where would i change the build script?
[07:16] <joachim_> hi
[07:16] <joachim_> how do I mount a drive & have it appear as belonging to me, not root?
[07:16] <gregg_> I didn't have any problems with it though, even DRI works
[07:16] <steven> lunitik, i still get the same error after pkill esd
[07:16] <lunitik> sektor, in the programs directory... the configure script... like I told you about 15 mins ago
[07:16] <jkinz> kaffeend: then you are not in the same directory as the file or it doesn't exist
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86  in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, ps -e esd
[07:16] <gehel2> kaffeend, what are you trying to do ?
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86  in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, if that returns something... pkill -HUP esd
[07:16] <kaffeend> tring to run teamspeak
[07:17] <kaffeend> I just want to open it
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, and how do i recognize the configure script?
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, why aren't you using Rhythmbox though?
[07:17] <gehel2> kaffeend, try using "./TeamSpeak" usually the current directory is not in the PATH
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, ERROR: Unsupported option (BSD syntax)
[07:17] <lunitik> sektor, its called 'configure
[07:17] <lunitik> '
[07:17] <kaffeend> hey - I get to use the cd command
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, there is nog configure
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, when ps -e esd
[07:17] <sektor> no*
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, bah... pkill -9 esd
[07:18] <steven> lunitik, the same error
[07:18] <gehel2> kaffeend, then you'll get use to the [TAB]  key as well !
[07:18] <pfp> joachim_: if it's in fstab, add the 'user' option
[07:19] <lunitik> steven, bah... 'ps -e | grep esd'
[07:19] <kaffeend> hahaha
[07:19] <kaffeend> ok I am lost (again)
[07:20] <elwood> uhm how to esclude packages from upgrade?
[07:20] <kaffeend> can't I r-click it and select "send to desktop (make shortcut)?
[07:20] <_SWAT_> I'm wanted to use SCITE (text editor) right now and tweak the colors etc. When I change the global or user properties file nothing happens. The colors aren't affected. How can this be?
[07:20] <lunitik> elwood, hold them...
[07:20] <kaffeend> that would be too easy tho
[07:21] <elwood> lunitik, can you tell me how?
[07:21] <joachim_> thanks pfp :)
[07:21] <Internett> hi, whats the program tu install programs please
[07:21] <sektor> lunitik, any ideas on what i have to do now?
[07:21] <steven> lunitik, with rhythmbox i get this error there is no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[07:21] <gehel2> Internett, synaptic
[07:21] <lunitik> steven, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:22] <steven> cool
[07:22] <steven> thnx
[07:22] <kaffeend> so, what am I meant to be doing again please?
[07:22] <lunitik> elwood, dpkg --set-selection hold pkg
[07:22] <elwood> lunitik, thanks
[07:23] <lunitik> elwood, --set-selections *
[07:23] <pillow> don't you have to add special servers in order to install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, install the "command line applet" and stop using shortcuts to the desktop ...
[07:23] <occy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:23] <occy>   airsnort: Depends: libpcap0.7 but it is not installable
[07:23] <steven> lunitik, but i cant run mpg321 yet
[07:23] <synstar> I've installed pure-ftpd - but i cant connect to it via ftp localhost.  It displays service not available?
[07:23] <occy> any idea how to fix this?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, or right click on the desktop -> create launcher
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, don't worry about that... rhythmbox uses esd
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, it will work
[07:24] <elwood> lunitik, dpkg: --set-selections does not take any argument...
[07:24] <daniel_mobil> Hi people! I just want to hear a mp3.... i downloaded the mp3 aid.. with the ubuntu packetmanager.. but nothing works =/ can u help me pls?
[07:24] <steven> ok thats cool
[07:24] <palandia> hi there
[07:24] <kaffeend> creating launcher
[07:24] <lunitik> occy, find the package it needs
[07:24] <f_newton> I am a command line applet person myself
[07:24] <gehel2> occy, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install -f ; apt-get install airsnort
[07:24] <steven> what if i dont start the x window server could i use mpg321 in text mode
[07:24] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:24] <lunitik> elwood, echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections
[07:25] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, change hold to install when you want to install it again
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, no love.
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, you can do this in Synaptic too...
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, followed that
[07:25] <kaffeend> hahaha... that was soooo easy!
[07:25] <daniel_mobil> :(
[07:25] <gehel2> kaffeend, that's not what you said 5 minutes ago ...
[07:26] <lunitik> steven, sure... mpg123 is better though... but why would you want to do that?
[07:26] <steven> lunitik, i get an error that says that it cant open the device to write
[07:26] <thoreauputic> steven: mpg321 is a commandline program - it has no X frontend as such although various players can use it as a back end
[07:27] <steven> i know its a commandline program thats why i want it just to try something different
[07:27] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help pme please
[07:27] <lunitik> thoreauputic, esd is using /dev/dsp, so he can't use it... I told him to install gstreamer0.8-mad but he is being stubborn
[07:27] <shammy> I can't run the command sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, i get an error saying cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. Why would that be?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I see :)
[07:27] <kaffeend> gehel2 I didn't know about that shortcut b4
[07:27] <steven> lunitik, how can i bring up the esd program becasue i cant play a song with the rhymthmbox
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, you installed the package I told you?
[07:28] <palandia> :( :( :(
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, esd starts automagically
[07:28] <steven> lunitik, yes i did and now i dont get the error for the plug in but it doesnt play anyways
[07:28] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help me please
[07:29] <gehel2> steven, follow lunitik advice ...
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, sound is on? sound is up?
[07:29] <steven> i think so
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, I don't
[07:29] <lunitik> check
[07:29] <steven> i get two errors the one i told you and another one that says it cant stop the playback
[07:29] <elwood> lunitik, ok it works..i prefer to work on console :)
[07:30] <gehel2> dummy question, but how can I hide the joind/quit messages in xchat ?
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, right click the speaker looking thing in the top right corner... and make sure PCM is turned up
[07:30] <thoreauputic> steven: you could try running   gst-register-0.8  to register any plugins you have installed
[07:30] <steven> lunitik, yes its up because xmms runs just fine
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, Rhythmbox isn't though?
[07:31] <jkinz> gehel2: right click on chennel buttin (ubuntu for ex) then select the same name from the menu, and unselect the appropriate item
[07:31] <jkinz> shennel= channel
[07:31] <steven> lunitik, yes rhythmbox does not work
[07:31] <lunitik> elwood, good thing to learn... dpkg is very powerful... dpkg --force-help has a lot of useful options  :)
[07:31] <skalpel> what is different between ubuntu and debian?
[07:31] <gehel2> jkinz, thx ! I knew it must be simple !
[07:31] <elwood> lunitik,  force make me scared :)
[07:31] <waltz> skalpel, the spelling.
[07:32] <lunitik> elwood, just know what you are doing...
[07:32] <elwood> steven, i am getting the gstreamer plugin right now
[07:32] <elwood> lunitik, yes or my box will became crazy
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, i donw know why it does not work
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, because xmms is working
[07:32] <lunitik> steven, neither do I...
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: all that huh
[07:32] <gehel2> skalpel, ubuntu has a shorter release cycle, is better looking, more desktop oriented. Debian is great for server/firewalls but is a bit less easy to use
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: why a seperate distro then?
[07:32] <lunitik> gehel2, better looking? how you figure?
[07:32] <elwood> steven, give me a chance
[07:32] <kaffeend> any ideas why my mic might be playing up in TeamSpeak guys?
[07:33] <skalpel> gehel2: thank you, works for me
[07:33] <elwood> have you got the alsa drivers?
[07:33] <steven> lunitik, i only needed to download that plugin right?
[07:33] <steven> elwood, ok
[07:33] <thoreauputic> steven: xmms does not use the gstreamer engine - rhythmbox does though
[07:33] <lunitik> gehel2, you mean the GDM theme? The wallpaper? cuz thats all thats different
[07:33] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu is politically different from Debian, and that's why it has to be a different distro.
[07:33] <lunitik> steven, you downloaded it apparently... so there is no reason it won't work
[07:33] <elwood> steffo, you can use xmms but not  rythmbox?
[07:33] <steven> thoreauputic, but i downloaded the plugin
[07:33] <lunitik> elwood, thats correct
[07:34] <kaffeend> where can I access mic settings please?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As gehel2 said, shorter release cycles... ease-of-use for binary-only drivers and apps... platform restriction... and stuff.
[07:34] <gehel2> lunitik, well, Debian put less importance on the niceness of the interface ... Right, with the Sid release it's getting better, but Sarge was horrible, mainly because it was a bit outdated ...
[07:34] <lunitik> thoreauputic, apparently he installed the plugin... because its not complaining about the codec... just not playing...
[07:34] <elwood> steven,  and you get some error?
[07:34] <skalpel> tomcat_:how is it politically different/
[07:34] <skalpel> ?
[07:34] <lunitik> steven, the slider representing song progress moves?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> steven: try running gst-register-0.8   in a terminal and see if it registers your plugins
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, also add the great security support and tons of architectures supported for Debian
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As I just said, Ubuntu does things that Debian would never do.
[07:35] <steven> i get two errors
[07:35] <kaffeend> !mic
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:35] <kaffeend> damn
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu ships wireless lan drivers with firmware... that would never be possible in Debian.
[07:35] <pillow> anyone know why none of the tabs work in moz-firefox?
[07:35] <elwood> steven, i got a missin plugin, so i am doing apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[07:35] <steven> thoreauputic, i did it
[07:35] <skalpel> tomcat_: someone told me ubuntu was originally developed for the african government, i thought maybe you meant something like that
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, Debian is VERY strict on allowing only free (as in speech) program to enter the distro
[07:35] <pillow> ummmm, elwood...
[07:35] <kaffeend> !microphone
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I give up, what is it?
[07:36] <kaffeend> damn it all to hell
[07:36] <pillow> have you tried synaptic?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> steven, did it say it was registering stuff?
[07:36] <lunitik> elwood, you really don't want to do that... just -mad
[07:36] <skalpel> so ubuntu takes everything good about debian and makes it more accessable?
[07:36] <elwood> lunitik, but i work with a lot of mime types
[07:36] <pillow> even if you wanted all of them, your syntax is a bit questionable
[07:36] <steven> thoreauputic, i think it did Rebuilding user_registry (/root/.gstreamer-0.8/registry.xml) ...
[07:36] <steven> Loaded 146 plugins with 290 features.
[07:36] <Tomcat_> skalpel: That too... it targets ease-of-use for open source software, while Debian... I don't know, Debian wants to be there for everyone. There are many things politically where Ubuntu and Debian are different.
[07:36] <lunitik> skalpel, no... Ubuntu enables you to not think about configuring your box (package sets etc)... other than that, its Debian
[07:37] <Tomcat_> skalpel: And Ubuntu's founder himself said that it's important to him that Debian has different goals than Ubuntu.
[07:37] <f_newton> I think people read too much into debian Tomcat_
[07:37] <steven> i get two errors the one is this: could not pause playback, the second is could not open resource for writing
[07:37] <thoreauputic> steven, OK well try closing and rerunning rhythmbox and see what happens
[07:37] <f_newton> Its a computer operating system not a life philosop;;;;hy
[07:37] <steven> thoreauputic, i just did it and doesnt work
[07:37] <f_newton> hmmm sticky key
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Debian is the foundation for more that 100 distro's... hardly reading too much into it...
[07:37] <gehel2> skalpel, more or less yes. also Debian is very concerned about stability (that is that programs dont change version in the release, only if there is a security issue)
[07:37] <skalpel> can someone tell me why gnomebaker stops at 50% and ejects my disc when i am trying to write?
[07:37] <coldfile1162> is ubuntu have kdevelop?
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Ubuntu is Debian Sid with more testing... thats all
[07:37] <f_newton> well bow to the silicon god... lol
[07:38] <elwood> lunitik, that's why i like it
[07:38] <skalpel> does it have something to do with my atapi drivers? someone said they suck in linux, and i might need to add scsi emulation
[07:38] <steven> elwood, did you have any luck
[07:38] <kaffeend> okay, I am trying to talk on TeamSpeak but the guys can't hear a word I'm saying even tho my mic sensitivity is set to max, is there something in Ubuntu that I can tweak to fix this, please anybody?
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, thats old news
[07:38] <thoreauputic> steven, I would try killing esd again and then re run it (I suspect esd is confused somehow)
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, enless your cdrw is old
[07:39] <steven> thoreauputic, howdo i do it
[07:39] <elwood> steven,  i am listening now music :)
[07:39] <skalpel> lunitik: no it is not. it only happens when i try to write to cd-rw, even after i blank the disc
[07:39] <thoreauputic> steven, killall esd
[07:39] <elwood> steven past me the errors
[07:39] <lukus001> Hi, i need an "aclocal" file installed to install a prorgam i have... the terminal says i can get it from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu but i guess its not actually called aclocal as a filename... hence why i cant see it in synatic?
[07:40] <f_newton> debian is a really well thought out linux system and ubuntu carries it even further, while doing a good job, but none of that hardly requires such emotional tie
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, then try again with rhythmbox
[07:40] <coldfile1162> does anyone here use kubuntu
[07:40] <Beuno> hey, Im developing a project for Ubuntu, and I would like to setup a webpage, I read through the trademark policy and sent an email, but I have had no answer
[07:40] <steven> thoreauputic, killall esd esd: no process killed
[07:40] <Beuno> can anyone give me an idea as of how to proceed?
[07:40] <f_newton> there are basically three linux tributaries from which the dirstros flow
[07:40] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --data some.file another.file  ... or --audio some.mp3 another.mp3
[07:40] <kaffeend> where the fuck are mic input settings in Gnome? Aaaarrrgh
[07:40] <elwood> steven,  ps aux | grep esd
[07:40] <f_newton> and debian is one of them
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, OK run esd &
[07:40] <elwood> kaffeend, in the mixer
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, include the &
[07:40] <steven> elwood, i get this could not open device for writing
[07:40] <steven> and the other one is could not stop playback
[07:40] <skalpel> lunitik: that would take along time, i am burning a disc full of mp3 files.
[07:40] <lunitik> f_newton, Redhat Debian and mainline?
[07:40] <lukus001> doesn anyone know where i can get aclocal from to install ?
[07:40] <kaffeend> elwood - great! Thanks!! Where is that plz?
[07:40] <f_newton> deb, rh, suse
[07:40] <gehel2> f_newton, which 3 would it be ? Debian, RH and slack ? or SuSE ?
[07:40] <elwood> steven, ...maybe permission problem?
[07:41] <elwood> kaffeend, i use alsamixer from console
[07:41] <f_newton> slack is in a place all by itself
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how would i tell cdrecord to burn a whole dir, all files in it?
[07:41] <steven> ok now its working
[07:41] <kaffeend> ???
[07:41] <steven> it seems like esd was not working
[07:41] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --audio *.mp3
[07:41] <thoreauputic> steven, OK it should be fine from now on
[07:41] <holycow> Beuno, well what kind of project? software?
[07:41] <elwood> lunitik, you seems the doctor of er
[07:41] <gehel2> f_newton, just curious, but has there been a lot of forks from SuSE as we see in Debian or RH ? SuSE was one of my first distro, but a long time ago ...
[07:41] <steven> ok thanks everyone
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i find out which device node my cd writer is using?
[07:42] <kaffeend> elwood care to elaborate?
[07:42] <f_newton> personally I prefer the debian way.  Ive used the RH way for many years simply because it had a better gui and integration but with ubuntu...
[07:42] <steven> i am using fluxbox how can i upgrade all the packages
[07:42] <poningru> guys how do I access the IDLE?
[07:42] <lunitik> gehel2, no... until the Novell purchase, SuSE was very much a closed company
[07:42] <elwood> steven, but your gnome "sounds?" try reboooting or check udev permission of audio...
[07:42] <f_newton> suse was actually a late comer in the early development of linux
[07:42] <skalpel> i enjoyed running slack, but it was a little too much for a newbie
[07:42] <DRPAS> i dont have the via driver in hoary? anyone knows why can it be....
[07:42] <thoreauputic> steven, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:42] <Beuno> holycow: yes, kind of, its a mix between a webpage and software to make software installation easier on ubuntu
[07:42] <lunitik> skalpel, if you purchased it from a store preinstalled, its hdc... else, its wherever you put it
[07:42] <f_newton> slack is for those that think why drive when God gave ya legs
[07:42] <steven> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:42] <skalpel> lunitik: ok thank you
[07:43] <skalpel> the speed should be something like 48x?
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, hda = primary master ide cable, hdb=primary slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd=secondary slave
[07:43] <gehel2> skalpel, you can even leave out the speed and it will autodect what's best, most of the time it works just fine
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, it'll tell you right on the CDRW... the first number for first burn
[07:43] <f_newton> suse did have a lot faster curve because it is a commercial venture, like redhat, but it went enduser instead of server side
[07:44] <steven> well thats all for now i'll be back if i need any help
[07:44] <steven> thanks everyone see ya later
[07:44] <lunitik> gehel2, if you don't put the speed, it defaults to 4
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, really ? I had the impression it went much faster here ... I need to check ...
[07:45] <DRPAS> do ihave to use the unichrome.sourceforge.com driver for VIA/S3 Unichrome in hoary?
[07:45] <lunitik> gehel2, I checked that a while ago... but thats what the docs said last time I read them
[07:45] <holycow> ah thats different, you may want to think about it some more and make it more generic so it applies to debian as well
[07:45] <holycow> ubuntu is frozen off of debian unstable every 6 months, you may wish to consider becoming a dd and getting your project sponsored there first
[07:45] <james> I've managed to break lpr
[07:45] <lunitik> james, meet cups
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, well, the man page disagree with you ... sorry
[07:46] <james> Cups works fine, but I can't print from firefox
[07:46] <james> firefox seems to use lpr
[07:46] <lunitik> james, cupsys-bsd
[07:46] <james> I think I messed up by deleting a few directories within /var
[07:46] <holycow> james, reinstall time :)
[07:46] <thoreauputic> james, why did you do that?
[07:46] <james> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure
[07:46] <Beuno> holycow: yes, I agree, I would like to make it more generic, but I think it would be easier to start off with ubuntu, and then expand
[07:47] <f_newton> well my experience is the ubuntu printing process is not as good as the one in rh ... no jet cleaning option, no dpi setting option, incomplete driver cache
[07:47] <DRPAS> antobdy can help me please?
[07:47] <Beuno> and since the domain I want to register contains "ubuntu", I just wanted to know
[07:47] <vagamente> how can i unistall limewire? HELP ME...
[07:47] <gehel2> vagamente, how did you install it ?
[07:47] <f_newton> vagamente first you need to find out where it is
[07:48] <f_newton> in shell type whereis limewire
[07:48] <f_newton> note all the locations
[07:48] <thoreauputic> james, fooling around in /var without knowing what you are doing is... not a Good Move (tm)
[07:48] <f_newton> cd to those locations and rm the files
[07:48] <caturOK> hello
[07:48] <james> I was trying to move some of the /var directories to another mounted raid0 partition - then they all got deleted
[07:48] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:48] <barkley> i'm curious if there is a policy of the ubuntu developers/maintainers where they say "ok, don't update right now there's bound to be massive breakage", and "ok, it's ok to update".  I'm on breezy and I don't mind a little bit of breakage, but if the desktop/X isn't going to load then that's a problem
[07:48] <vagamente> i installled like it's shown in ubuntu unofficial guide....
[07:48] <lunitik> !smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:48] <ubotu> okay, lunitik
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, there is infact
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, if you installed limewire by apt or aptitude you can remove it that way
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, its called release time
[07:49] <james> I've tried apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure
[07:49] <caturOK> any body same problem
[07:49] <thoreauputic> lunitik: that could be a very useful factoid :)
[07:49] <gehel2> vagamente, that's the risk when going unstable ...
[07:49] <barkley> holycow, thanks for that insightful comment
[07:49] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, in sept/oct you will be safe in running breezy, untill then its for developers only and those that want to help fix it
[07:49] <gregg_> DRPAS: you don't have to install an external driver. it's integrated into hoary
[07:49] <lunitik> james, apt-get install --reinstall runs dpkg-reconfigure (kinda)
[07:49] <lunitik> thoreauputic, :P
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, I dont know what that is but I do know if you find all the files you can rm -f them but you better know wht you are doing and not remove the wrong directories
[07:50] <caturOK> how to fix my umax
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, sarcasm is warranted when you are perfectly aware of the consequences of running breezey.  it'snot a mystery
[07:50] <caturOK> pls
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: i got this error using cdrecord: Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[07:50] <caturOK> oh dear
[07:50] <skalpel> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dec/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[07:50] <caturOK> no body help me here
[07:50] <barkley> holycow, colony2 is a mystery of massive breakage
[07:50] <caturOK> hm
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, then thats not where it is....
[07:50] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:50] <shammy>  Why would I get this error: cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. when running this command, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[07:50] <Beuno> holycrow: how can I be a dd on debian?
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, I'm not there, I can't tell you where its plugged in physically...
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, inded :) i did manage to get breezy installed yesterday and xorg running, the new nautilus is spiffy
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i get a list of devices on my computer?
[07:50] <barkley> shammy, yes
[07:50] <caturOK> if i'm ask here
[07:50] <f_newton> day 3 with Ubuntu and I am finally getting used to the different "look" ... this system runs really well but I am having serious problems with evolution.
[07:51] <elwood> skalpel, lspci
[07:51] <caturOK> no body give the answer
[07:51] <skalpel> thank you
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, he needs to know where a drive is located...
[07:51] <barkley> holycow, colony 2 gnome was completely broken for me.  luckily i got ndiswrapper and everything updated from the console
[07:51] <holycow> barkley, in all honesty, i doubt there will ever be such a policy regarding unstable releases
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, not what he actually asked
[07:51] <teferi> okay, something is seriously borked with the newest breezy kernel
[07:51] <teferi> /dev/input/mice is gone
[07:51] <caturOK> helpppppppppppp
[07:51] <shammy> barkley: why would I get that error?
[07:51] <lunitik> teferi, indeed
[07:51] <caturOK> S.O.S
[07:51] <Mondoshawan> hi all i found a bug an the macromedia flash Player 7 for linux on some webpages the fonts ar invisible sombody knows about it something??
[07:51] <teferi> and the new linux-restricted-module setup doesn't seem to work
[07:51] <caturOK> :(
[07:51] <f_newton> what is umax caturOK ?
[07:51] <skalpel> well, i do not see it listed here
[07:51] <caturOK> 2500
[07:51] <teferi> lunitik: anyone working on this? :P
[07:51] <f_newton> and why you speak so broken?
[07:52] <MadForest> is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, thats a good question ... generally it requires you to be sponsored by a dd first, before you gain their trust to upload
[07:52] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, no... they are going to release it like that
[07:52] <barkley> holycow, what i really mean is on the development list people come in and say "don't update right now", do developers/maintainers confirm or deny that?
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <caturOK> sorry if my english not very well
[07:52] <f_newton> ahhh its been the dream of many here to take a trip to bali
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: har
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, Ubuntu is just that popular that we needn't care about the quality of software anymore
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, i'm not a dd, it might be best to research the debian.org site regarding that question :/ i wish i could be more specific
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <Beuno> holycrow:  :)  tnx, so you dont see it like a good idea to go with the ubuntu name?
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: yes, you're very funny, give yourself a round of applause
[07:52] <skalpel> how can i find out what device node my cd drive is using?
[07:52] <barkley> shammy, you need to sudo to install a driver
[07:53] <lunitik> teferi, ok... and while you're at it... read the topic
[07:53] <Mondoshawan> Somebody also have the same bug with flash player 7? *invisible fonts* ???
[07:53] <caturOK> i'm a ready update xsane
[07:53] <elwood> skalpel, that's different..is mounted?
[07:53] <f_newton> lunitik, So yer adopting the fedora method?
[07:53] <holycow> barkley, neither, status on unstable is always considered borked until release time, with the provisio that if you are going to run it and have the skills submit bugfixes
[07:53] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:53] <lunitik> f_newton, no... I was adopting sarcasm
[07:53] <caturOK> but why my UMAX 2500 couldn't detect
[07:53] <shammy> barkley: already have
[07:53] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to change the s c r ee n res without needing the cd please?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: no, i do not think so.
[07:53] <MadForest> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: how would i know?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[07:54] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:54] <teferi> lunitik: just for the record, i've been running debian and debian-derived distributions for the past seven years, i've been running the unstable branch of ubuntu for months now, i'm not an idiot, please don't treat me like one
[07:54] <elwood> skalpel, type mount and see
[07:54] <caturOK> xsetup.sh
[07:54] <f_newton> ditto lunitik
[07:54] <teferi> all I was asking is if it's a known problem and if so if anyone had any idea what the timeframe for a fix is
[07:54] <caturOK> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD? <<<<< xsetup.sh
[07:54] <barkley> holycow, i guess the point is we can run breezy, but not have major X/desktop breakage.  it doesn't really matter if totem fucks up (as usual), but if the desktop won't boot then we have a problem
[07:54] <lunitik> teferi, so I'm not allowed to call you an idiot for not reading the bugzilla or topic here?
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, i would say no, ubuntu is the only distro that takes a delta off of debian every 6 months, although i cannot be called debian, it functionally is basically debian polished for a specific workload (so far desktop ... not sure about server)
[07:55] <teferi> lunitik: the "X is still broken" thing has been there for months now...
[07:55] <barkley> lunitik, no you're not dicksmack ;)
[07:55] <teferi> let's see how well it works in lynx, eh.
[07:55] <lunitik> teferi, breezy is very broken... it would be comparible to running experimental
[07:55] <f_newton> what is a restricted module?  smacks of something I don't like thinking about
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, so strategically it makes more sense to have your work poured into debian directly and it should be automagically picked up by ubuntu within the right time frame
[07:56] <teferi> f_newton: drives like madwifi, fglrx, nvidia...
[07:56] <teferi> drivers, even
[07:56] <elwood> skalpel, than read your /etc/fstab and search for it
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, restricted modules are non-free modules... ie nvidia
[07:56] <emre> hi all, please help!!, I've had to change my monitor because the other one broke but now I can only get 640x480 / 60Hz?
[07:56] <barkley> shammy, what exactly is your error message when you sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[07:56] <f_newton> lunitik, they are freely offered in other distros
[07:56] <f_newton> they are open source replacements
[07:56] <MadForest> xsetup.sh? What does this file do? is it a text file with instructions?
[07:56] <holycow> emre, change your horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your moni in xorg.conf.  you can find those either on the back of yoru moni or by googling
[07:56] <james> emre - whats in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[07:56] <Factor[Y] > emre, configure xorg.conf (that helpped me)
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, other than SUSE (who pay for distribution of such drivers) name one
[07:56] <f_newton> fedora
[07:56] <lunitik> no
[07:56] <thoreauputic> !tell emre about resolution
[07:56] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, only that my idea is more based on a webpage and a Firefox extension then on actual Ubuntu
[07:56] <f_newton> ok... you tell me about fedora
[07:56] <emre> Identifier	"HM204D DT"
[07:57] <emre> 	Option		"DPMS"
[07:57] <lunitik> f_newton, fedora you have to get them from 3rd party locations
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 270 203   1024x768 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 338 254 # 1280x960 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 338 270 # 1280x1024 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 370 277 # 1400x1050 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> 	#DisplaySize 423 370 # 1600x1400 96dpi
[07:57] <shammy> barkley: I'm on windows right now since I don't have net on ubuntu, but it's Cannot insert ndiswraper (/lib/modules/2.6.10~) Operation not permitted
[07:57] <F0ckF3ar22>  is there a debian chat room
[07:57] <skalpel> elwood" /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:57] <thoreauputic> emre:  /topic - please don't paste in the channel
[07:57] <barkley> shammy, ok make sure you have the right ndiswrapper for your kernel
[07:57] <shammy> F0ckF3ar22: /j #debian
[07:57] <jAvier0> hi everyone
[07:57] <lunitik> shammy, you used sudo to issue that command right?
[07:57] <kaffeend> is there a way to adjust my re fresh rate without a cd please anybody? this 60hz rate is killing me
[07:57] <emre> sorry
[07:57] <barkley> emre: yeah, those setting rock
[07:57] <Factor[Y] > emre, you must change values of horizontal and vertical synch (sorry for my bad english)
[07:57] <shammy> lunitik: yes
[07:58] <holycow> Beuno, if its not 'very ubuntu specific' i would say that it belongs in debian my self.  perhaps others disagree but i don't see the ubuntu team being interested in a permanent fork of any particular set of packages
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik, no they are in the repos... the drivers written by nvidia are offered by nvidia ...ati is not very cooperative though
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel,  so your device is /dev/hdc and the mount point is /media/cdrom0
[07:58] <MadForest> one more try in case anyone is listening: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:58] <shammy> barkley: how do i check that?
[07:58] <lunitik> f_newton, trust me... they are not in Fedora
[07:58] <barkley> Shachaf,  cat /proc/version
[07:58] <jAvier0> i was reading the forums, and somebody recomended told me something about been a 'dd in debian', and i have no idea what that is. anyone here knows?
[07:58] <skalpel> elwood: yes, should i mount it now?
[07:58] <NetGeek> does anyone here use CMS for their web site?
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik lol no offense dude, but I know they are
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel, you need to mount?
[07:58] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, just, its not a package, it would interact through firefox
[07:58] <emre> will the monitor identify itself again if I just delete the monitor section?
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel,  insert a cd
[07:58] <kaffeend> Madforest maybe torrent it?
[07:58] <barkley> shammy, what's your chipset?
[07:58] <f_newton> up to a point that is
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, debian developer, browse debian.org to see how you can become a dd
[07:59] <MikeW> I'm about to install ubuntu warty. I'd like to install apache and mysql. Is there a place I can get the apache binary from. I won't want to have to compile it from source. Mysql seem to provide a LOT of binaries on their website but I'm not sure which one to pick.
[07:59] <f_newton> I need to clarify that lunitik
[07:59] <f_newton> up to a point
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, its the easiest way to get your work into ubuntu i think
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend I torrented the CD image, but can't boot to CD
[07:59] <starseed> hmm, the gnome-bittorrent client is kind of nice .. has ul cap
[07:59] <barkley> MikeW, dude, synaptic is your friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:59] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:59] <MikeW> barkley: The machine doesn't have internet access, so it ISN'T my friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:59] <jAvier0> holycox, thank you!
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is in Fedora... Fedora contains no proprietary software
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend: CD is good, computer bios doesnt support CD boot
[07:59] <f_newton> caturOK, you will get a lot more help if you use patience and not be so demanding
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, please don't argue with me
[07:59] <kaffeend> oh
[07:59] <lunitik> thanks
[07:59] <thoreauputic> MikeW: you can get all that with apt or synaptic: it's all in the repositories
[07:59] <holycow> Beuno, well having a firefox extension might best be served as purely an ff extention from the moz website? then later you can package it up for debian and consequently ubuntu if you like?
[08:00] <james> Not sure at which point it got fixed - but I've got LPR working again with a combo of apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure - and a chmod 1777 /var/tmp
[08:00] <kaffeend> well, at least you got a reply dude :P
[08:00] <shammy> barkley: i will look
[08:00] <caturOK> hu?
[08:00] <barkley> f_newton, no shit. maybe these greedy fucks should pay for tech support
[08:00] <DVSoftware> hey, something wierd happened to me right now
[08:00] <kaffeend> flash your bios?
[08:00] <MikeW> thoreauputic: again, the machine doesn't have internet access so I won't be able to get it through any repositries. I need to find a link to a binary from this machine and download it
[08:00] <f_newton> lunitik you are right fedora contains NO proprietary software and the nv drivers are provided as open source drivers
[08:00] <holycow> james, hehe, yes that works sometimes indeed
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, use device manager to see what you have
[08:00] <teferi> lunitik: could you perhaps give me relevant the bugzilla bug number? i can't seem to track down a bug with useful information relevant to the issue
[08:00] <caturOK> cause i needed dood
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, or lspci
[08:00] <kaffeend> MadForest try flashing your BIOS
[08:00] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is open source... but its not official in any way
[08:00] <DVSoftware> i've started nvidia-settings and got segmentation fault
[08:01] <f_newton> barkley If I have to learn to be nice (which is hard for me believe me) you should too
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: not on linux, I don't have net on it
[08:01] <Beuno> jAvier0: pete
[08:01] <DVSoftware> then i rebooted my computer
[08:01] <din> how do i add xdm to the default runlevel?
[08:01] <f_newton> lunitik, I will concede and stop
[08:01] <lunitik> teferi, search for breezy ... all those results are relivant to you.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> MikeW: OK - but you will have dependencies to satisfy - you can explore packages.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <DVSoftware> and nvidia logo shows and x crashes with segfault
[08:01] <barkley> f_newton, i wasn't talking about you. i was talking about those greedy fucks that demand answers
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: it is prism2
[08:01] <MadForest> kaffeend: it will take a lot more work to find the bios/ if it's possible to install with booting to cd. I thought I would check here first; but this channel is kinda busy with non-help stuff right now
[08:01] <holycow> f_newton, rofl about the nice comment
[08:01] <holycow> >_>
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, isn't prism2 supported by the kernel?
[08:02] <kaffeend> I know :(
[08:02] <elwood> skalpel, works?
[08:02] <jAvier0> Beuno, thanx for your help ;)
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, yes, but debian distros dont ship with prism2 firmware
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, or prism was
[08:02] <MadForest> Does anyone else have anyidea if it is possible to install without booting to the CD?
[08:02] <jAvier0> bai everyone
[08:02] <jAvier0> exit
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, that must be downloaded from the prism website
[08:02] <f_newton> barkley, I know you werent referring to me...
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, at which piont you can modprobe the drivers and it will work
[08:02] <barkley> f_newton, no, i won't be nice unless i feel like being nice
[08:02] <shammy> barkley: i'm not sure, i;m new to linux but everyone has told me I will need ndiswrapper.
[08:02] <kaffeend> maybe me tho
[08:02] <lunitik> MadForest, wiki.ubuntu.com/Install lists several install methods
[08:02] <kaffeend> someone fucking HELP me!
[08:02] <jab9417> Greetings all.
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, according to holycow you need to get the prism2 firmware from their website
[08:03] <MadForest> lunitik: thanks!
[08:03] <holycow> barkley, oh wrong person, sorry
[08:03] <lunitik> !tell kaffeend about smartask
[08:03] <barkley> f_newton, see..kaffeend is prime example
[08:03] <Razor-X> !smartask
[08:03] <ubotu> it has been said that smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:03] <thoreauputic> MikeW: to make it a bit easier you can run apt-cache depends <package> to see dependencies needed for a package
[08:03] <lunitik> kaffeend, read that and come back showing that you learned something
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, the prism website has a download link, and on there are instructions on WHERE to put the firmware
[08:03] <f_newton> barkley, they have a code of conduct here that they will enforce... Ive read it and it is not in any way unreasonable... sometimes it may be hard for me to rememeber but its a legitimate expectation and therefore acceptable
[08:03] <kaffeend> ok
[08:03] <din> anyone know how to add things to the default runlevel?
[08:03] <din> i forget the command
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, after you put the firmware on y our system, you should b e able to modprobe for your prism card and it should work
[08:03] <jab9417> Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server.
[08:04] <shammy> barkley: Ok thanks
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, try reading. i wasn't referring to anyone in particular
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, until kaffeend showed up
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[08:04] <jab9417> authenicating.. that is.
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, sorry
[08:04] <MikeW> thoreauputic: I wish some linux distro made it easy for users to go to a website, download a package that was self contained, would install on any linux distro and 'just work' rather than all this apt-whatever stuff
[08:04] <barkley> MikeW, that's autopackage
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, and I agree
[08:05] <MadForest> lunitik: found it already. thanks; just needed a direction to read. I didn't see the wiki before
[08:05] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:05] <highvoltage> MikeW: why!?
[08:05] <nl123456> can someone help me, im trying out ubuntu software and i have some questions about it
[08:05] <Beuno> well, thanks, bye
[08:05] <f_newton> barkley I feel I am only dragging this out by responding to you.  One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, repositories work well to a certain point, but fail with ISVs and independent developers
[08:05] <holycow> MikeW, the day that happens linux will become an infested cesspool of spyware that windows is right now
[08:05] <elwood> what do you use for monitoring temperature?
[08:05] <james> nl123456, which questions?
[08:05] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories is the only answer is brain damaged
[08:05] <concept10> MikeW,  Why go backwards?  Autopackage is a good solution.
[08:05] <nl123456> how do you log in as "root"
[08:06] <james> you can do most things via sudo
[08:06] <f_newton> hey concept10 yer either up early or late
[08:06] <f_newton> how are ya?
[08:06] <nl123456> and install programs
[08:06] <barkley> who wants to be slave to repositories.  people want freedom
[08:06] <james> if you want to login as root you need to first do    sudo passwd    to set the root password
[08:06] <MikeW> concept10: yes. If there was an autopackage thing for apache and mysql, I would be so happy :D
[08:06] <concept10> f_newton, doing fine.  I dont goto work until 5pm
[08:06] <lunitik> barkley, I'd rather be free from searching the web for apps...
[08:06] <skalpel> elwood" no, not at all.
[08:06] <holycow> people want freedome, but people are not prepared to accept responsibility for freedome
[08:06] <james> then you can go     su     to switch to the root user
[08:06] <concept10> MikeW, why do you need that though?
[08:06] <f_newton> the night shift.... brrr been there done that...for years
[08:06] <kaffeend> okay... I am currently seeing a 60hz refresh rate and I want to get it up to about 85 hz, but I cannot use my cdrom drive as it is broken. Is there another way for me to set my screen's refresh rate please?
[08:06] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:06] <barkley> lunitik, i don't want to be a slave to repositories. i want freedom
[08:07] <james> barkley, try gentoo then :-)
[08:07] <lunitik> barkley, then waste time looking for software... have fun
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, you can install more than one application at once with APT
[08:07] <LordSur0> hi
[08:07] <elwood> skalpel, where is the problem?
[08:07] <nl123456> ?????????
[08:07] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, i dont get it cdrom and refresh rate...
[08:07] <lunitik> james, Gentoo still has a repository... Portage is a repository
[08:07] <thoreauputic> MikeW: one of the issues is that self-contained packages have to have all libraries etc statically compiled which increases size (among other things) It's true that autopackage goes some way to solving this stuff but it has a ways to go
[08:07] <LordSur0> i need install a server of jabber in ubuntu!!! help!
[08:07] <MikeW> concept10: because the machine i'm installing on doesn't have internet access
[08:07] <MadForest> lunitik: the info I needed was there. Thanks again!
[08:07] <lunitik> (well, what it points to is)
[08:07] <Razor-X> Factor[Y] : .tar.gz is an archive, .deb contains packages in a form that Debian can install
[08:07] <skalpel> elwood: here maybe: hdc: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[08:07] <lunitik> MadForest, you're welcome
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, Oh, okay.
[08:08] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  apparently, I need to install some packages to change/correct the refresh rate
[08:08] <concept10> MikeW, what about downloading the packages and put them on CD rom?
[08:08] <elwood> skalpel, change cdrom and try
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , I believe alien can do that actually...
[08:08] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories are the only answer needs to start thinking clearly.  autopackage solves the problem with other software
[08:08] <kaffeend> but I can't install them from cd
[08:08] <holycow> MikeW, i think its time someone writes up a page about the pros and cons of libraries/repositories/user freedom
[08:08] <Razor-X> lunitik: alien works with RPMs
[08:08] <f_newton> I have this little straightpin wire harness that gets internet access anywhere there's a telephoneline
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , Razor-X, for the record, a .deb is simple a tar.gz with pre and post install scripts
[08:08] <barkley> holycow, there was already a thread on the forums about that
[08:08] <f_newton> its from the old days
[08:09] <MikeW> thoreauputic: as a user, I couldn't care about that kind of stuff. I only want to go to a vendors website, download the installer like I can with windows, store it on a usb key and bring it to another machine and install... like I can on windows
[08:09] <holycow> MikeW, the problem is that each has a consequence, and depending on the users preference each one can give them a bad experience
[08:09] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program
[08:09] <barkley> repositories solve about 90% of the problem
[08:09] <barkley> autopackage solves the other 10%
[08:09] <Razor-X> lunitik: but, a .tar.gz can contain many things
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, alien works with several package formats
[08:09] <Razor-X> non-program files, compilation files
[08:09] <thoreauputic> MikeW: I understand your frustration
[08:09] <f_newton> he feels yer pain MikeW
[08:09] <f_newton> heh
[08:09] <holycow> barkley, ah, link MikeW to that, it should give him a nice overview.  i don't like to tell people how to think, but outline the issues surrounding their query
[08:09] <Razor-X> I doubt one program has the capability to convert the majority of the .tar.gz's into .debs
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, man alien ... not tgz ... tar.gz and tgz are one and the same
[08:10] <jab9417>  Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunthenticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server? Or perhaps authenticating to a Open LDAP server?
[08:10] <nl123456> i need some help
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program?
[08:10] <barkley> i was thinking about how autopackage could use dbus to query any distro for their ability to handle autopackages...like gobolinux, or foresight...gentoo, whatever
[08:10] <Strife> does anyone know if it's possible to directly use irssi with a proxy?
[08:10] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, just use correct vertical and horizontal rates of your monitor in xorg.conf (use google for vertical and horizontal rates)
[08:10] <nl123456> how do you log in as root?
[08:10] <Strife> not the irssiproxy stuff, I want to connect to IRC servers via a proxy
[08:10] <Razor-X> lunitik: even if it did work, i'ld expect it to give very limited functionality
[08:10] <concept10> I tried to use autopackage to install some software and it didnt work for me
[08:10] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  ok
[08:10] <concept10> !rootsudo
[08:10] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <Razor-X> I doubt alien can change my uncompiled MPlayer into a nice deb package
[08:10] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:11] <holycow> Razor-X, heh
[08:11] <barkley> whatchya talking about willis
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: sleep 10 && runsomecommand   >> runs the command after 10 seconds
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, it will turn a binary tar.gz into a .deb... what more functionality do you want?
[08:11] <gregg_> Strife: socks proxy?
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, read the damn man page
[08:11] <nl123456> what?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: as an example...
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: .......
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> ah ty
[08:11] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, don't mention it (once again my poor poor english...)
[08:11] <concept10> lunitik, alien does that?
[08:11] <skalpel> elwood: this drive works fine, it is a software problem
[08:11] <lunitik> concept10, yes...
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> I needed that weird bit between
[08:11] <Strife> gregg_: yes
[08:11] <holycow> barkley, thats in interesting point about the 90/10 split ... using autopackage users are running all software unpriviledged correct?
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: I am reading the manpage, but it can compile my MPlayer?
[08:12] <concept10> okay, im going to make this Nvu deb
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, if you're asking that, then you're not reading the man page
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, i belive so.  i've never used it because i just compile whatever that i need that isn't in repo
[08:12] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  && means the second part will only run if the part to the left completes without error
[08:12] <Razor-X> lunitik: I want to make the point known in the channel
[08:12] <holycow> barkley, sasme here
[08:12] <f_newton> lunitik, i havent been able to get alien to do that... ive changed rpms to deb but not tgz
[08:12] <gregg_> Strife: it's possible, but I don't know how
[08:12] <dimitris> Any crack-attack fans! I became addicted!!! :-D
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, but we need point-n-click for the newbies/windows users
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> erm
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> how do i make it into hours?
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, just let them read the man page instead of being pedantic
[08:12] <gregg_> you might want to use socksify or something similar
[08:12] <shammy> barkley: I cannot find prisms site with their firmware, do you have a link? It seems there are around 3billion companies named prism
[08:13] <concept10> What is that little status bar in Xchat underneath the user names??
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, no i don't
[08:13] <Razor-X> lunitik: being bookish? ;)
[08:13] <f_newton> shammy try intersil
[08:13] <dr_willis> concept10,  its a lag bar
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  e.g. sleep 8h && playloudmusic ;)
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, actually who makes your card...not the chipset manufacturer
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ty
[08:13] <f_newton> the intersil prism2 driver
[08:13] <holycow> barkley, i will only accept that idea IF it is within some type of 'unpriviledged' setup where the repo acts as their main 'trusted' source
[08:13] <Strife> gregg_: all right, I'll look into it... thanks
[08:13] <dimitris> How can i start a new game when i play --solo without restarting the game everytime?
[08:13] <lunitik> concept10, they show lag time and something else
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: really,  man sleep - it isn't hard :)
[08:13] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  what is xorg.conf?
[08:13] <Razor-X> dimitris: what game?
[08:13] <barkley> holycow, what repo in the context of autopackage?
[08:13] <holycow> my accepting the idea means nothing tho, hehe :)
[08:14] <dimitris> Razor-X, Crack-attack
[08:14] <concept10> Oh, I thought it was telling how cool I was (only 25%)
[08:14] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> it didn't say anything about that
[08:14] <lunitik> concept10, lag and throttle ... no idea what throttle is for though, never seen it move
[08:14] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:14] <lunitik> barkley, autopackage is in main I think... at worst in universe
[08:14] <shammy> barkley: netgear, it's a usb adapter, WG111
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> I shall sleep now ty
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> :)
[08:15] <f_newton> oh thats a whole different problem
[08:15] <Razor-X> dimitris: it continues of the last game?
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, someone broke into my sisters house and stole her laptop and her husbands desktop while they were sleeping
[08:15] <kaffeend> Factor[Y]  just get> bash: etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[08:15] <f_newton> oh man!  thats rough...
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, can you believe that?
[08:15] <barkley> shammy, not sure what to tell you..now that you brought usb into the mix, but i would try and do what holycow suggested and get the firmware
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <f_newton> they need a dog
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, the first / is important
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, yeah, but that's just the actual tool autopackage
[08:16] <kaffeend> oops :s
[08:16] <{cYanide}> hey er i tried to install ubuntu and erm, my screen res is like limited to 640 480 (i have an intel inbuild graphics adapter (scary things)) any ideas on a fix?
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, crawled through a window
[08:16] <Razor-X> !tell {cYanide} about resolution
[08:16] <thoreauputic> pity spangles left.. the man page for "sleep" is tiny and clearly says:  SUFFIX may be s for seconds (the default),
[08:16] <thoreauputic>        m for minutes, h for hours or d for days.
[08:16] <f_newton> but yes I can believe it... they live in Oak Cliff? or should I say el cliffo de oaka?
[08:16] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, use / before etc like /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, holycow was talking about unprivledged which i'm not sure he's getting at
[08:16] <dimitris> Razor-X, I use crack-attack --solo to play a one player game but when it finishes i can't start a new game. I have to exit the game and start it again to play one more game and so on!
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, somewhere in connecticut
[08:16] <f_newton> in connecticut?>
[08:17] <f_newton> I thought those were nice educated people way up there?
[08:17] <kaffeend> what about: bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied
[08:17] <barkley> so what is the relationship of the cairo dependency to gtk+ in breezy right now.  i haven't really seen much slowdown
[08:17] <kaffeend> sudo?
[08:17] <lunitik> f_newton, well off families have crack head kids too
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, I thought the same but I guess thieves are everywhere along with them.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:17] <f_newton> I had a couple of people try to break into my car while I was standing ten feet from it last weekend
[08:17] <kaffeend> k
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, where?
[08:17] <barkley> test
[08:18] <Strife> heh, I get "aborted: core dump" when I try to socksify irssi
[08:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you think that file should be accessible to users? *grin*
[08:18] <f_newton> its not the well off bit lunitik its the culture of taking what they want
[08:18] <lunitik> f_newton, addiction is a bitch
[08:18] <buntu-a> hoy...................... please help me , i lost my pass root ...
[08:18] <jwage> Hey i'm on a laptop and i just got a new FlatScreen LCD Monitor. What all do I have to do to get it to work on Linux? (Edit xorg.conf where??)  anything else?
[08:18] <concept10> heh
[08:18] <Razor-X> Strife: SSH is better than SOCKS
[08:18] <f_newton> I run a homeless ministry lunitik and I deal with this kind of thing on a very large scale daily
[08:18] <lunitik> buntu-a, no you didn't...
[08:18] <jwage> can someone point me to a tutorial,or howto or site ?
[08:18] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:18] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about rootsudo
[08:18] <_SWAT_> jwage, edit xorg.conf (espcially the refresh rate)
[08:18] <kaffeend> Success!
[08:18] <holycow> barkley, i consider repositories a community vetted source of software, the filtering system for keeping crap out is amazing, particularly spyware.  the moment we allow windows type installation linux is forever gone down the windows spyware route imho
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, but what do I edit?
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: technically, I am using SSH... SSH tunneling, that is
[08:19] <kaffeend> thanks everyone
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, where can i find some documentation on it?
[08:19] <lunitik> f_newton, I just got out of jail... I've seen it from a very different perspective
[08:19] <{cYanide}> one more thing, er i have a usb adsl modem, and i need some info on how to install it (its a sagem 800 fast)
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: then what went wrong?
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, look for a passage with the word refresh in it :D
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jwage: no, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: but in most applications where I can set the proxy protocol, socks works
[08:19] <concept10> !bot
[08:19] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[08:19] <f_newton> been there too, mostly because I feed homeless people, but yeah I can understand
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: no idea, it just says core dump without actually showing me any of the problems
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, man xorg.conf
[08:19] <jwage> thoreauputic, will it recognize my new monitor?
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: gotta love descriptive error problems ;)
[08:19] <_SWAT_> my problem: I'm just new to SciTE and want to customize it. So I edit foreground and backgroundcolor for my current user. (also tested as global). But somehow SciTE won't use the config. How come?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: most likely yes
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, criminals tell other criminals things they would never tell someone outside the system
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, dude, i'm not buying that argument.  people should be allowed to install whatever software they want.  this isn't some marxist state where the repository masters are the politburu
[08:20] <f_newton> lunitik, you give them too much credit
[08:20] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: did I reccomend you to SciTE? ;)
[08:20] <buntu-a> how about pass admin,,,,????
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, *nod* i don't think anyone is stopping them.  you and i both install software
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: if you are nervous choose the vesa driver to get it running, then you can rerun that command to fine tune
[08:20] <lunitik> barkley, name a peice of software on linux, and I can show you a repository that includes it
[08:20] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, don't think so. But I already checked the FAQ/Dox :-|
[08:20] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:20] <hondje> that was a piss poor troll
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, do you think there is a way to perhaps 'label' safe software in some way?
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, I really don't...
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, yes, me and you have no problem with ./configure && make && make install
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, why do you use SciTE ?
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: hmmmm... I'm not sure, really
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: I used to use it on a Windows box
[08:21] <f_newton> most of these sneak thieves dont really think they are wrong... they feel its your fault for being so stupid as to leave your stuff where they can get it
[08:21] <gregg_> Strife: tsocks or dante-client should work in case (and with any program, for that matter)
[08:21] <concept10> ubotu, botjunkie is probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:21] <ubotu> okay, concept10
[08:21] <Razor-X> for a GUI, SciTE is really nice and clean-cut
[08:21] <concept10> heh
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, why treat your users as children. listen, you and I install source code and we don't look at the source
[08:21] <lunitik> f_newton, why are you telling me this... ?
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, we don't know what the hell it really does
[08:21] <holycow> barkley, okay i see your point about freedom, but how do we help the users know whats 'safe' and whats not? within the context of spyware and viruses?
[08:21] <f_newton> dont know
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, you don't
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, I use it on my Ubuntu box. But somehow it won't accept my properties. (I used apt-get to install it)
[08:22] <concept10> Razor-X, did you see that? :)
[08:22] <teferi> there, hacked around the missing device node...
[08:22] <holycow> you don't?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: I'm glad you said "use" and not "abuse" ;)
[08:22] <lunitik> f_newton, like I said... I was in jail, just got out a week ago... I know full well the mind set of the criminal
[08:22] <holycow> lol i couldnt' disagree with that more
[08:22] <concept10> thoreauputic, you like that one?
[08:22] <hondje> A user wants a piece of software, they want it the easiest way possible. That's what the repositories are full. If newbies wanted to work, they'd all go LFS
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: can you force it to open a config file, like pass it a parameter?
[08:22] <barkley> holycow, i guess if you want to be a nurse ratchett about it, then you could patch autopackage to say "note, this is not offically vetted software"
[08:22] <Razor-X> hondje: meh ;)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: sure - the bot is there to be used :)
[08:22] <f_newton> ah you learned all about criminals eh?
[08:22] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, how would I do it? (example ? )
[08:22] <holycow> a user is a child, just like a child has no business playing with fire, a user has no business administering a system, just like i have no business fixing my car without qualifications
[08:22] <f_newton> sorry was being sarcastic
[08:22] <concept10> !botjunkie
[08:22] <ubotu> botjunkie is probably probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: try reading the manpage
[08:23] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, i don't like this "official" or "safe" crap though and I don't automagically trust maintainers
[08:23] <Razor-X> i'm a botjunkie!
[08:23] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, is the parameter thing mandatory ?
[08:23] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:23] <holycow> deviating from those standards results in disaster and knowledge, and while knowledge is wanted disaster is not
[08:23] <lunitik> f_newton, yes... if there is one thing Jail definatly does, its produce better criminals
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: possibly
[08:23] <concept10> ubotu forget botjunkie
[08:23] <ubotu> i forgot botjunkie, concept10
[08:23] <hondje> Then don't trust them, it's not like you're being forced to
[08:23] <holycow> barkley, good point, but i trust the user less
[08:23] <hondje> You can be lazy and use apt, or not
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: but, you can then put it in a shortcut of sorts, so you just click the button, et voila
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, but the user has the freedom...or should
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, why do you care if the user is a fuckup?
[08:23] <hondje> The user has the freedom
[08:23] <Razor-X> hondje: you shouldn't restrit the user that much from choices
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, you can't "regulate" that
[08:24] <hondje> Go download something, and build it
[08:24] <Razor-X> I believe linux thrives on choice
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, 1000+ criminals being around each other 24/7... I will never understand why someone thought that was a good idea
[08:24] <OC-Elf> only way to learn is to play around
[08:24] <holycow> because the nature of computer systems, because of the networking effect, a fuckup affect everyone simultaneously
[08:24] <holycow> you only need one machine to infect 10' of thousands or spam relentlessly
[08:24] <f_newton> county jail lunitik ?
[08:24] <barkley> holycow, fine. let's have a gestapo-style government agency regulating our computer usage
[08:24] <holycow> barkley, your mistaken 'regulation' for 'suggestion'
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, jail is county... prison is state or federal
[08:24] <hondje> Prison is fun, I should /topic that
[08:24] <thoreauputic> OC-Elf: I recommend lots of reading before playing around ;)
[08:24] <f_newton> concept10, cya
[08:25] <holycow> the 'suggestion' that the community has 'voted' that a piece of software is 'safe' is not regulation
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, who the hell is "the community"?
[08:25] <buntu-a> tonk is not in the sudoers file. this insident will be reported <<<<--- ????????
[08:25] <f_newton> lunitik, you are indeed an expert..
[08:25] <holycow> barkley, everyone
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, everyone?
[08:25] <holycow> yes everyone
[08:25] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: your user doesn't have sudo privileges, clearly
[08:25] <holycow> i trust the debian community and the ubuntu community
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, then ubuntu shouldn't provide the autotools or compilers
[08:26] <holycow> i don't know any of them
[08:26] <f_newton> even us back alley fringe types
[08:26] <OC-Elf> thoreauputic, well i consider playing around a must, and then read occasionally if are stuck or messed up something, lol
[08:26] <holycow> but the communities actions have proven overall right and beneficial
[08:26] <Sonderblade> i installed kernel-i686-smp and now all apps take at most 50% cpu.. does that mean that my computer became half as fast?
[08:26] <barkley> Sonderblade, yes ;)
[08:26] <buntu-a> so................. how?????
[08:26] <barkley> hehe
[08:26] <holycow> therefore they ubuntu/debian community has filtered out for me a whole slew of issues i otherwise would haveto make a choice about on my own
[08:26] <Factor[Y] > some prog for *.rar's?
[08:26] <holycow> i didn't HAVETO use either, i could of just used linuxfromscratch.org
[08:26] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; unrar-nonfree
[08:27] <barkley> holycow.  either you have freedom or you don't
[08:27] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; if you install that program then fileroller will automatically be able to deal with rar files
[08:27] <OC-Elf> aye guys, i have been trying to get the latest kernel for ubuntu
[08:27] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: is tonk the user created on installation? If not, sudo visudo to add tonk to the sudoers file
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; you already have it
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, you always have freedom, you cannot legislate away freedom
[08:27] <lunitik> buntu-a, reboot, press ESC when prompted... go to rescue mode... add yourself to the file and reboot
[08:27] <Factor[Y] > desrt, thx
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, the semantic of freedom are non negotiable
[08:27] <barkley> holycow, of course you can...but that's offtopic
[08:27] <OC-Elf> i tried apt-get install linux-tree
[08:27] <holycow> we arent talking about fredom we are talking about 'metadata' about software packages
[08:27] <kaffeend> !refresh rate
[08:27] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:27] <buntu-a> tonk is user...
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; what are you trying to do, exactly?  install 2.6.12 on hoary?
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, linux-headers
[08:28] <lunitik> desrt, presumably install a module
[08:28] <apokryphos> kaffeend: what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <OC-Elf> desrt, hmmm nope, just the latest version of the ubuntu kernel
[08:28] <lunitik> else I get to hurt him
[08:28] <desrt> OC-Elf; cool.  you already have it, then.
[08:28] <lunitik> doh
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, apt-get install linux-686
[08:28] <kaffeend> apokryphos I need to set my screens refresh rate but I'm lost
[08:29] <kaffeend> and rapidly going blind
[08:29] <OC-Elf> lunitik, alrighty gonna give that a go now
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chances are, you already have the latest hoary kernel
[08:29] <apokryphos> kaffeend: surely it'll be under the resolution component in gnome... whatever that is.
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, you don't want to try breezy's kernel
[08:29] <kaffeend> it is but for some reason it shows only 60 hz
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, System > Preferences > Screen Resolution  ... and no
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i currently have 2.6.10-5-386 running
[08:30] <kaffeend> so of coarse it all has to be done "by hand" and I don't have the requisite skills to do it
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, if you wish to guide him through the process of adding more resolutions to xorg.conf, feel free though  ;)
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, is that the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?
[08:30] <apokryphos> kaffeend: then you have to add the option into your xorg.conf file
[08:30] <lunitik> OC-Elf, thats the latest, yes
[08:30] <apokryphos> lunitik: it would show the other refresh rates, though, if they were available.
[08:31] <kaffeend> apokryphos done that I just need to figure out what to change
[08:31] <lunitik> apokryphos, I rarely have good luck with that tool
[08:31] <apokryphos> kaffeend: easiest way is probably just to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:31] <OC-Elf> lunitik, but the command u gave me "apt-get install linux-686" is showing some other kernel versions
[08:31] <kaffeend> gone thru three pages of google search results for screen refresh rates
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, in my experience, XRANDR is very bad
[08:32] <apokryphos> lunitik: why? It's always been fine here
[08:32] <lunitik> OC-Elf, say 'y' if it asks you a question
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, no idea... I usually don't bother much with it though, just do it manually...
[08:33] <apokryphos> lunitik: oh wait, I thought you said krandr.. no worries.
[08:33] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i kinda know how to use ubuntu well, just wanted to know what would be the difference betwwen the 386 and 686 kernels
[08:33] <lunitik> apokryphos, nah... running Ubuntu currently
[08:33] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chip functions
[08:33] <fakeowl> hi!
[08:34] <fakeowl> how do I execute a command after another one has closed?
[08:34] <OC-Elf> lunitik, so that would target the p4s and other more recent procs?
[08:34] <fakeowl> i want to load mplayer, then once it's done, do something else
[08:34] <fakeowl> not done loading "done" finished with, on it's exit, do something else
[08:34] <lunitik> fakeowl, somecmd && anothercmd
[08:34] <apokryphos> fakeowl: or somecmd ; somecmd
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, he said once its done
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, ; continues whether the previous was successful or not
[08:35] <fakeowl> thanks lunitik
[08:36] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, somehow I can't find how I could set an entire config file as a parameter. I even used google (probably missused). Can you help me out here?
[08:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: ? with the above when somecmd closes/exits somecmd2 will start
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]  (rev 01)
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> YAY!
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> i have a real video card now
[08:36] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:37] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK.
[08:37] <lunitik> apokryphos, somecmd && anothercmd starts somecmd, waits for it to exit normally, then runs anothercmd .... somecmd ; anothercmd just runs everything in order
[08:37] <hubsi> hello, one question... what is the newest ubuntu kernel .. 2.6.12 or 2.6.10
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> now, should i keep the xorg radeom driver or try an ati proprietary driver?
[08:37] <IcemanV9> 2.6.10
[08:37] <apokryphos> lunitik: anothercmd won't start until the somcmd process is terminated, though
[08:38] <hubsi> but why do i get Linux hnp 2.6.12-3-386 when i write uname -a ?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: lunitik you are both right
[08:38] <OC-Elf> hubsi, u can however download and install the vanilla kernel sources
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> fglrx is radeon, right?
[08:38] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:38] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK!??
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> nobody dipshit, im talking about my video card
[08:38] <apokryphos> raDeon: please don't swear.  n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly
[08:43] <equex>      posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
[08:43] <equex>      discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy
[08:43] <equex>      someone or disrupt a discussion.
[08:43] <barkley> Amaranth, oh...hehe
[08:43] <deprave> lunitik : i can be annoying, but i'm here for a purpose, can i be a half troll with purple mana?
[08:43] <Seveas> equex, do not paste in here please
[08:43] <equex> oops
[08:43] <barkley> Seveas, it was 4 lines
[08:43] <deprave> or maybe a half-troll with +10 armor
[08:44] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[08:44] <equex> sorry.. thougth it was another channel :)
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, makes no difference
[08:44] <barkley> Seveas, bullshit
[08:44] <IcemanV9> what is the best method to back up my home directory (11GB) to another box? then rebuild the box and restore my home directory back from the other box?
[08:44] <lunitik> deprave, if you do not intend to add anything to a discussion, just don't type anything... sure way to avoid being a troll
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, language...
[08:44] <thoreauputic> actually, trolls *used* to often have a purpose: namely to make people think. The lesser trolls have resulted in trolling becoming a lost art
[08:44] <pestilence> IcemanV9: i like rdiff-backup
[08:45] <raven3x7> anyone got afterstep working correctly with ubuntu?
[08:45] <barkley> Seveas, what about language? english? what?
[08:45] <deprave> lunitik interesting perspective, reminds me of communism.
[08:45] <deprave> anyone here use snort?
[08:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: reminds me of the bad modern pseudophilosophy. It used to be something really entertaining, now it's just... pseudo-pseudophilosophy :|
[08:45] <raven3x7> deprave communism?
[08:45] <barkley> deprave, yes.  linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism
[08:45] <buntu-a> how to run network admin?
[08:46] <apokryphos> barkley: Use your brain. Language as in, tone down your language; profanity.
[08:46] <deprave> groupthink
[08:46] <deprave> haha
[08:46] <f_newton> barkely fascism and communism are two opposite poles
[08:46] <lunitik> deprave, communism was a good idea... just doesn't work with a human phsyce well... most people are born to follow, many are born to lead... thus communism will never truely happen
[08:46] <deprave> big brother is watching us
[08:46] <deprave> lunitik : that's a communist talking!
[08:46] <barkley> deprave, the linux weak-minded newbies are prone to groupthink propaganda, like a cambodian re-education camp
[08:46] <Burgundavia> guys, this discussion is complete off-topic
[08:46] <f_newton> well one thins is for sure\
[08:46] <Burgundavia> please take it elsewhere
[08:46] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it allows you to make incremental backups easily, so backing up a 11gb partition can take 1 minute if only 5 megs have changed
[08:46] <apokryphos> But fear not, #ubuntu-offtopic is always available
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : indeed, where do all the Winstons of this IngSoc era hang out?
[08:47] <deprave> ah nice
[08:47] <f_newton> Burgundavia, what is the off topic toleration acceptance level
[08:47] <f_newton> ?
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, they're using BSD
[08:47] <lunitik> deprave, no, thats an educated person talking... read some of Marxx's works on the subject...
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : haha indeed.
[08:47] <Seveas> people, this is not a politics channal, move politics to Wubuntu-offtopic
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, ...where FSF/Stallman commie propaganda is laughed at
[08:47] <Seveas> f_newton, low
[08:47] <Seveas> especially when it's busy
[08:47] <thoreauputic> lunitik: this is a slightly more sophisticated troll - you are falling for it I fear :)
[08:48] <buntu-a> how to run network admin ?(a give my password can't)
[08:48] <f_newton> k
[08:48] <lunitik> deprave, in communism... no one is more important than another... doctors aren't paid more than store clerks or lawyers... more freedom to do what you want in theory, no worry of money
[08:48] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was planning to do this once; backup, rebuild, restore
[08:48] <Seveas> buntu-a, sudo network-admin
[08:48] <jmcnaught> has anybody had trouble with totem (gstreamer&xine) and other media players that use xv crashing the whole system?
[08:48] <barkley> lunitik is defending fascists
[08:48] <lunitik> thoreauputic, haha... I'm always a sucker for a debate  :P
[08:48] <Seveas> lunitik, please take off-topic discussion elsewhere
[08:48] <barkley> but that's typical
[08:48] <Seveas> barkley, you too
[08:48] <deprave> lunitik : and in the real world, people that work hard to get to a highly  respected occupation get paid for it.
[08:48] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it will still work, but it's always a very good idea to backup regularly (read: daily)
[08:48] <deprave> ok
[08:48] <deprave> im done
[08:49] <highvoltage> deprave: HAHAHAHAHA
[08:49] <pestilence> IcemanV9: if you were just doing it once, scp -a should work too...but i prefer rdiff-backup regardless.
[08:49] <pestilence> oops
[08:49] <pestilence> i meant scp -rp
[08:49] <pestilence> :)
[08:49] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i know, i know ... it is a good practice to backup daily :)
[08:50] <barkley> lunitik, i'll meet you in ubuntu-offtopic so you can explain how communism is good
[08:50] <IcemanV9> pestilence: or nc (netcat)
[08:50] <fakeowl> hello again!
[08:50] <fakeowl> is there a shell command to exit the active x session?
[08:51] <holycow> barkley deprave, yes.  linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism  <-- this is wrong and a deliberate troll
[08:51] <highvoltage> active x!?
[08:51] <Seveas> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[08:51] <fakeowl> like a stopx script or something
[08:51] <highvoltage> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:51] <fakeowl> im not sure i want to restart gdm
[08:51] <holycow> barkley, if you honestly believe that i find it hard that you are as knowledgeable about linux as you seem to be
[08:51] <Seveas> highvoltage, active 'x connection'
[08:51] <Seveas> :)
[08:51] <fakeowl> i have an x server that i load on my tv adhoc
[08:51] <pestilence> IcemanV9: hrmmm...something tells me that's not what you want.  but i've never heard of netcat.  also see: rsync (what rdiff-backup uses)
[08:51] <highvoltage> shew!
[08:51] <fakeowl> on tty8
[08:51] <deprave> holycow : we have moved on in our lives, you should. dwelling in the past will result to vulnerability.
[08:52] <fakeowl> just want to kill that so that'll go back to the other running x server
[08:52] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install is this one hoary?
[08:52] <monsterror> Hey everyone
[08:52] <Seveas> hubsi, yep
[08:52] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ha. i used it once (nc). it took forever over a local network.
[08:52] <Madeye> hi
[08:53] <fakeowl> bascially im asking if there's a command line equivalent of ctrl+alt+del?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> deprave: you will be assimilated...resistance is futile :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "reboot"
[08:53] <holycow> fakeowl, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:53] <fakeowl> but won't that killall running x servers?
[08:53] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was looking for an easiest, fastest method to backup /home dir
[08:53] <highvoltage> holycow: that would be a ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[08:53] <holycow> doh!
[08:53] <fakeowl> oh yeah :P
[08:54] <fakeowl> thats actually what i want though :P
[08:54] <monsterror> DOes anyone know of a place to learn how to make login screens and splash screens?
[08:54] <fakeowl> command line equiv of ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <holycow> highvoltage, indeedy, hehe :)
[08:54] <fakeowl> but not like that holycow
[08:54] <Zen> hey is winex free?
[08:54] <calamari> maybe I just need to reboot... but xmms / bmp tell me "Couldn't open audio".. mplayer is able to play sound, but also gives errors.  Any idea what's up?
[08:54] <pestilence> IcemanV9: sudo rdiff-backup /home myuser@remotemachine.com::/my/backup/dir
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: splash screens are just .png files, located in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[08:54] <rob> hello all can anyone recommed a video and audio media player.  I am still looking for one and want some other user opinions.
[08:54] <fakeowl> i have an x server running, i load another one, once that's done i want to ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: you can simply replace the files there.
[08:55] <calamari> rob: mplayer
[08:55] <pestilence> IcemanV9: you need rdiff-backup on both machines, of course
[08:55] <barosl> let's ET - http://barosl.com/pub/desktop/barosl-desktop-1123180809.jpg
[08:55] <thoreauputic> calamari: try setting the xmms output plugin to esound
[08:55] <fakeowl> but i need to do the ctrl+alt+backspace bit from the command line
[08:55] <barosl> =3=33
[08:55] <highvoltage> monsterror: gdm themes are just a bunch of xml files you can edit.
[08:55] <Zen> hey.. is WineX Free?
[08:55] <fakeowl> is that possible?
[08:55] <Seveas> monsterror, art.gnome.org/faq.php can help
[08:55] <OC-Elf> rob, mplayer is good at what id does
[08:55] <monsterror> Thanks, guys.
[08:55] <OC-Elf> Zen, no it is not
[08:55] <highvoltage> fakeowl: does "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" not suffice?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> Zen: depends on what you get, the full package is commercial tho
[08:55] <jmcnaught> Zen: it's free if you get it from their CVS (but that doesn't include everything)... otherwise you have to pay a subscription
[08:55] <cix> Hi I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but why do I not get asked to make a root pass?
[08:56] <OC-Elf> Zen, however u can get wine for free from winehq.com
[08:56] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[08:56] <ubotu> well, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:56] <highvoltage> Zen: WineX/Cedega is not free.
[08:56] <fakeowl> highvoltage: wouldnt restarting gdm kill both my running x servers though
[08:56] <equex> VLC + MPlayer = allround combo
[08:56] <equex> seems to work with everything
[08:56] <apokryphos> cix: ubuntu uses sudo; see the link above
[08:56] <holycow> cix, there is none, everything on ubuntu is sudoed as necessary
[08:56] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: ps aux | grep -i X ; kill <pidof second X server>  ?
[08:56] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative that can play games decently?
[08:56] <rob> I don't like mplayers gui though is it skinnable?
[08:56] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: ill play, but youre in korea?  I decided to try all 3, alsa, esound and oss
[08:57] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ok. will try that way. thanks. :)
[08:57] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, yes hehe :)
[08:57] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative to winex that can play games decently?
[08:57] <holycow> cix, to invoke commands that require root priviledges you do sudo command -switch
[08:57] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "gdm-signal --help" might be of assistance.
[08:57] <jmcnaught> Zen: a lot of games work with regular wine, have you tried that?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol, but then i think  i get bad pinag :P
[08:57] <barosl> i just found wonderful game and very interested :-)
[08:57] <holycow> cix, theoretically it helps to prevent newbs from running as root, and limits exposure to the root priviledges i guess
[08:57] <cix> holycow, hm ok, and I can't setup a root password anyway ?
[08:57] <cix> ok
[08:57] <Zen> ill have a go
[08:58] <Seveas> cix, you can
[08:58] <Seveas> but it's advised not to do that
[08:58] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, oh yes... i think
[08:58] <holycow> cix, you can set one up sure, but its not necessary
[08:58] <Seveas> !root
[08:58] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:58] <Seveas> ^-- read that cix
[08:58] <calamari> I wonder how well qemu + kqemu would do for games
[08:58] <cix> thx
[08:58] <cix> are you all running ubuntu in here?
[08:59] <Seveas> I think most do :)
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: unless you have a fast dedicated server?
[08:59] <direwolf> is
[08:59] <jmcnaught> calamari: pretty badly... i had kqemu running winXP and it was usuable, but still pretty slow
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: or one in between?
[08:59] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, nope :-(
[08:59] <barosl> =3
[08:59] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: actually ps aux | grep X would result in a more readable output
[08:59] <calamari> jmcnaught: oic.. I didn't try with xp, only 98, and it crashed out before it'd load up
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol :P you know what ping you get to any US server?
[08:59] <IcemanV9> cix: what do you think? :)
[08:59] <calamari> regular qemu is nice.. at least not as slow as bochs :)
[09:00] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, no. i don't know any famous US server... could you tell me one?
[09:00] <holycow> cix, ubuntu on the desktop, debian on the servers
[09:00] <cix> well, I just did not get the impression that you guys were n00bs and I have heard that ubuntu is for n00b's :S that's why I asked
[09:00] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: i just go random :S - see #WolfET ? :P
[09:00] <Seveas> cix, hehe
[09:01] <OC-Elf> later guys
[09:01] <Seveas> the support crew in here is to support the new linux users :)
[09:01] <thoreauputic> cix: Ubuntu is for everyone :)
[09:01] <fakeowl> ah thanks thoreauputic
[09:01] <Seveas> (and we hat the term noobs or newbies :))
[09:01] <^thehatsrule^> well cix, it IS user-friendly, whats wrong with that? :P
[09:01] <holycow> cix, well because it's easy to use does not mean its not powerfull, it just means its properly engineered
[09:01] <direwolf> ive got a question ...when i booted up my computer this morning for some reason my wireless card driver modules were already inserted (did so automatically on start i guess). how can i change that ?
[09:01] <fakeowl> one step closer at least!
[09:01] <cix> heh, so how do you get in deep with this os? I just started using linux for real today :S and quitted ms ... :S
[09:01] <f_newton> cix well im a n00b with ubuntu but I have found it to be good for everyone actually ... unless ya just gotta have something broken all the time to fix where upon I recommend fedora
[09:01] <calamari> nothing wrong with user friendly.. that's why I'm still a user.. :)
[09:01] <holycow> cix, however there is no faking and handholding, say like xandros that pretends to be windows but really isn't
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: note upper case X ;)
[09:01] <cix> heh :)
[09:01] <direwolf> i say this because i use ndiswrapper for most things , but have to use the driver modules for other things
[09:01] <Seveas> cix, if you want a linux intro: www.tldp.org
[09:02] <Seveas> direwolf, add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent auto-loadin
[09:02] <cix> Seveas, yeah well were to start lol, I know that site ..... it's bigger than the bible
[09:02] <Seveas> hehe
[09:02] <direwolf> ok great seveas thank you very much
[09:02] <zAo^> who can help me with ProFTPd?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> cix: http://tuxfiles.org  :)
[09:02] <holycow> cix, do you run linux in any form on a box?
[09:02] <zAo^> The connection stops @ "227 Entering Passive Mode"
[09:03] <zAo^> and simply hangs
[09:03] <Seveas> http://tldp.org/guides.html <-- read any 'linux intro' there
[09:03] <Seveas> just pick one, read a few lines, if you kie it read on
[09:03] <Seveas> otherwise pick another :)
[09:03] <teferi> man, this new linux-restricted-modules thing in breezy is bizarre
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cix: also for a more hard-core approach type "  man intro  " in a terminal
[09:03] <zAo^> teferi, ?
[09:04] <cix> holycow, I just installed it on my laptop, and will finally delete MS maybe on may desktop if I can run my games with the same performance on linux as on ms
[09:04] <cix> that's the only reason why I haven't switched complete to linux :/
[09:04] <f_newton> good luck
[09:04] <jmcnaught> is it easy to upgrade to breezy if you have hoary backports installed?
[09:04] <calamari> is there a way to find out what is using a module.. similar to lsof which tells what is using a filesystem?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:04] <Seveas> lsmod
[09:04] <teferi> zAo^: all the compiled object files get put in /lib/linux-restricted-modules and then linked into kernel modules on boot and stuck in a tmpfs
[09:04] <holycow> cix, ah games, ehe, well you can run some using cedega but probably not all
[09:04] <cix> thoreauputic, yes I like the hardcore way a bit more :)
[09:04] <teferi> and something is quite fucked with loading them
[09:04] <fakeowl> what would be the best way to extract that info thoreauputic, sed?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> i installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and fgl_glxgears returns "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." and exits
[09:04] <cix> holycow, yes I know, and the performance and fps isn't the same that really sucks :/
[09:04] <holycow> cix, how do you like it so far? and why the switch if i may ask?