[01:49] <vorian> evening :)
[01:52] <ScottK> Good evening.
[15:27]  * ryanakca loves having to work just so that you can work :)
[15:29] <uga> Anyone else is seeing stuff like this?
[15:29] <uga> May 11 16:25:17 dpcuga kernel: [  495.016077] scsi 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense not available.
[15:29] <uga> May 11 16:25:17 dpcuga kernel: [  495.016081] scsi 4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[15:30] <uga> sounds like a new issue with hal
[15:30] <uga> what I wonder is what that "sense not available" means
[15:39] <uga> uhm... usbfs seems really broken
[15:39] <uga> hallo? nobody is having issues?
[15:51] <ryanakca> !patience | uga
[15:52] <uga> ryanakca: I know, been in the other side myself. It's just I thought the channel was dead ;)
[15:52] <ryanakca> uga: hmm... not really what I wanted to tell you, but I'm sure if someone is experiencing it, they'll pipe up within the next day or so... Its a Sunday and most people are enjoying their weekend. Tomorrow night might be a better time to ask... If you think its a bug, then see !bug
[15:52] <uga> ryanakca: it's been reported ages ago, (2k7 mids) for earlier *buntu versions but no real solutions nor known bugs
[15:54] <ryanakca> If the bug hasn't been confirmed, you could always do so and try to add as much information to it... *isn't really experienced in regards to the kernel/hal, so I can't really help you, sorry.*
[15:56] <uga> yes, thanks. Don't worry. I need to figure out what's going on first. This is strange
[15:56] <uga> I just enabled boot logs. I think I saw something during the boot last time
[17:00] <yuriy> ok kwin needs to stop leaking memory... it woke me up this morning
[17:12] <ryanakca> stdin: ping, mind if I merge kio-apt?
[17:24] <Arby> Riddell: still failing to merge kdevelop, debdiff was rejected (too big)
[17:24] <Arby> Riddell; stuck with build-deps
[17:25] <Arby> Riddell: the diff is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11446/
[17:25] <Arby> Riddell: specifically the version differences
[17:25] <Arby> Riddell: normally I would have chosen debian but there was some disagreement in #ubuntu-motu over the right decision
[17:26] <Arby> Riddell: basically it's your call :)
[17:26] <Arby> then I might try to sort kdelibs build failure
[17:27] <ScottK> Arby: Is there a debian changelog entry mentioning why it was changed from 3.5.8 to 3.5.9?
[17:28] <Arby> ScottK: not that I can find, let me double check
[17:31] <Arby> ScottK: libdb4.6-dev, python2.5 were upgraded previously by r1ddell, the others aren't mentioned that I can find
[17:31] <Riddell> hi Arby
[17:31] <Riddell> we want python2.5
[17:31] <Arby> ah the man himself
[17:32] <Riddell> looks like libdb-dev just brings in libdb4.6-dev, so fine to use libdb-dev
[17:32] <Riddell> Arby: kdelibs has compiled
[17:33] <Arby> Riddell: oh, what changed?
[17:33] <ScottK> I'm kind of suprised Debian hasn't changed to Python 2.5 yet.
[17:33] <Riddell> took me a couple of tries those, fiddly stuff is that .pot
[17:33] <Riddell> Arby: I had to add a couple of missing files, I expect it was my fault rather than yours
[17:33] <Arby> Riddell: it's kdelibs4-dev libcvsservice-dev  that were causing the kdevelop confusion
[17:34] <Arby> Riddell: well that's cheered me up, it's been a trying afternoon :)
[17:34] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev doesn't matter, go with debian's
[17:34] <Riddell> likewise libcvsservice-dev
[17:35] <Arby> Riddell: ok
[17:36] <Arby> Riddell: while your here, ktorrent also failed to build on several architectures
[17:36] <Arby> any thoughts?
[17:37] <Arby> lots of debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/foo: No such file or directory errors
[17:37] <Riddell> missing build dep on cdbs
[17:37] <Arby> right, thanks
[17:38] <Arby> Riddell: what's the procedure for failed to build, do I make a new debdiff and attach it to the merge bug?
[17:40] <Riddell> yep
[17:40] <Arby> thanks
[17:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Mind if I merge kio-apt?
[17:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: please do
[17:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies, and have you heard back from Ng? Last I heard, he was stuck in a datacenter, and he hasn't replied to me since
[17:45] <uga> ryanakca: heh, sorry, I had to away myself for a while, but.. I can't even get logs properly. I enabled boot logs and bootogd is enabled, but it doesnt' save anything to /var/log/boot
[17:45] <uga> is that meant to be normal?
[17:45] <ScottK> Arby: I'd also suggest going back and looking at how that build-dep got missed.  Did you test build the package before sending the debdiff?
[17:45] <Arby> ScottK: yes
[17:45] <ryanakca> uga: don't know, sorry
[17:45]  * ryanakca -> lunch
[17:45] <Arby> I always do
[17:46] <ScottK> Arby: How did you build it?
[17:46] <Arby> if I remember right debuild -S and then pdebuild
[17:46] <Arby> could be a non-clean pbuilder
[17:46] <ScottK> Does pdebuild start from a clean chroot each time (I don't use it).
[17:46] <Arby> I'll sort it shortly
[17:46] <ScottK> OK.
[17:46] <ScottK> That's a pretty basic one to miss.
[17:47] <Arby> I don't know how it happened, I wouldn't have uploaded if it didn't build
[17:48] <Arby> anyway, I'll fix it now
[17:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: nothing
[17:51] <ScottK> Arby: Who uploaded it for you?
[17:52] <Arby> ScottK: Riddell I think, I've lost the bug report somehow
[17:52] <ScottK> OK
[17:52] <Arby> found it, yes it was
[18:14] <uga> Riddell: I found a bug, found how to workaround it, but dunno why
[18:16] <uga> it seems the service odccm, if installed, fails to boot properly. It says "libhal_ctx_init failed with D-Bus error"
[18:16] <uga> if the bootup goes on, not a single usbfs systems work
[18:16] <uga> now, if after the process one starts up the service, it works fine, and now I can see the usbfs devices again
[18:17] <uga> so it seems the odccm service is defaulted to start too early in the bootup process
[19:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: Since kio-apt didn't want to download from MoM/DaD, I merged kiosktool. However, Someone started merging it a week or so ago and hasn't updated the bug report with the merge/etc... so should I attach mine or just wait for him/her to attach theirs?
[19:54] <fdoving> ryanakca: i'd say attach yours, can't waste time waiting. that's my vote anyway :)
[19:54] <ryanakca> fdoving: ok, thanks
[20:29] <stdin> smarter: ping
[20:31] <smarter> pong stdin
[20:32] <stdin> smarter: any idea if we still need that Xrender patch for bespin?
[20:33] <stdin> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1880523&group_id=201276&atid=976907
[20:34] <smarter> I think so, I packaged a new upstream snapshot here if you want to have a look: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/bespin/ubuntu
[20:35] <smarter> The build-deps probably have to be adapted for Qt 4.4, I'll do it next week(I'm missing time and a good computer atm) and upload it to revu
[20:36] <smarter> my main computer just died and I'm stuck on an asus EEE
[20:37] <smarter> stdin: you wanted to do some changes in the packaging?
[20:38] <stdin> I was just wondering about it really, the email from sourceforge reminded me about it
[20:40] <Chusslove> _Sime_: ping
[20:42] <smarter> stdin: ok, I'll check ;)
[21:09] <yuriy> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3460 hmm the suggested packages thing would be an interesting addition to add/remove programs
[21:14] <yuriy> mornfall: hi. have you had a chance to look at the last patches i sent?
[21:35] <ryanakca> Someone with upload access to main, see merged kiosktool bug #227485
[23:20] <yuriy> anybody else have kwin leaking memory since the upgrade to 4.0.4?


[00:32] <clever> !enter
[00:32] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:03] <kraut> moin
[12:58] <zul> BenC: i got the bastard ported to 2.6.23 this weekend
[12:58] <BenC> zul: did it require whips and chains, or just a little lube?
[12:59] <zul> all of the above
[12:59] <zul> now I just have to fix bits and pieces of it
[15:23] <zul> mering xen bits to 2.6.24 is a bit more work and other distros havent done it yet
[18:19] <zul> BenC: im just listening in your conversation and there are alot of patches for hdaps that hasnt been sent upstream
[18:23] <Nafallo> whats the status about hdaps in Ubuntu anyway. does it do anything?
[18:24] <Nafallo> OOTB that is.
[19:02] <zul> BenC: can uploads be done friday?


[00:36] <theater-dreamer> I see Xubuntu 12.10 will no longer have an alternate CD release: Is it going to have the same unified installer as Ubuntu (LVM and FDE as options)?
[00:37] <Unit193> Xubuntu has been using Ubiquity, so that'd be good.  Otherwise, you can use the !mini and install xubuntu-desktop in 12.10.
[00:39] <theater-dreamer> mhm... doesn't sound too bad.
[00:40] <theater-dreamer> We'll see how Ubiquity is in creating complex LVM/RAID/FDE configurations like debian-installer could.
[01:36] <gurrag> If I download a pre-release of 12.10 now, will it run the same later [with updates] as if I waited until the October release?
[01:37] <GridCube> no
[01:37] <GridCube> its a beta, stuff might be broken
[01:37] <GridCube> in fact, stuff is broken
[03:07] <johnscam> Can anyone tekk me how to connect wirelessly using 64WEP KEY?
[03:07] <johnscam> I'm using Xubuntu 12.04 and it doesn't allow me that option
[07:54] <ronin> I'm getting this kind of graphics errors in xubuntu http://imgur.com/8RRxg . It only comes sometimes in specific windows, and not just wine, but any software. Sometimes some icons on the desktop
[07:55] <ronin> does it sound like a software problem?
[09:03] <Mathias> topic should start with something like "no answers? please idle here"
[09:04] <bazhang> if you have a question, then ask it Mathias
[09:05] <Mathias> i don't but i saw ronin's question
[09:08] <shpank> normally you don't put such things in the topic
[09:08] <shpank> because it's usually the same everywhere
[09:11] <Marzata> topic, what topic?
[09:11] <bazhang>  /topic
[09:12] <Sysi> like anybody reads topic
[09:12] <bazhang> part of which reads: No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help
[09:12] <bazhang> Marzata, ^
[09:19] <pimperle> is there a way to install xubuntu fully encrypted using the xts-plain cipher? the alternate install cd's kernel doesn't seem to support it.
[09:19] <pimperle> will the live cd installer be able to open the disk?
[09:23] <longwuyuan> hi. thanks tons to xubuntu, i got fglrx for my dell vostro 3450. but outlook in a vm is gentle on the eyes compared to thunderbird (even with theme & font sizer addon). does anyone have good suggestions for me to try
[09:25] <pimperle> longwuyuan: you might try evolution, ubuntus default client
[09:25] <ochosi> or claws-mail (although you probably won't like it if you want outlook-style)
[09:28] <longwuyuan> nothing to do with style. am having to deal with at least 300-400 emails everyday. so need more real-estate quality on 14" laptop screen
[09:29] <longwuyuan> the windows drivers in a vm seem to be able to render outlook more efficiently in a 1280x800 resolution of the vm
[09:30] <longwuyuan> native 1366x#### resolution on xubuntu is gret in xterm but painful on thunderbird
[09:31] <longwuyuan> i placed both windows one below another and compared real-estate. thunderbird fonts are less crisp :-( and anyone can guess how that feels having to use outlook
[09:32] <Sysi> change antialiasing settings in settings -> appearance
[12:22] <zloyded> hello
[12:24] <zloyded> why i install vmware workstation and after reboot my system has crashed... and cant load fro read logs...
[16:15] <martian> I just installed nautilus in xubuntu 12.04 and wish to change some advanced settings. I installed gconf-editor, but there is no nautilus node in there. Any suggestions?
[16:16] <Pici> martian: check dconf
[16:18] <martian> Pici: ahh, moved to xubuntu, or just idling in both channels?
[16:19] <martian> check it in what sense? it was not installed either, so upon installing it I should...
[16:19] <Pici> hm.
[16:19] <Pici> I was under the impression that stuff was being moved from gconf to dconf.
[16:19] <martian> ahh, dconf-editor :)
[16:20] <martian> Thanks!
[17:55] <DenSeaCaT> Hi guys. Would someone help me in tet-a-tet chat? WinXP + Xubuntu, formatted xubuntu partitions, and now grub not working
[17:56] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, explain further
[17:56] <GridCube> do you still have xubuntu installed? how do you formated? why you need grub if there is no xubuntu (in that case)?
[17:58] <DenSeaCaT> Ok. 1 Hdd. 2 NTFS partition(C with WInXP  \ and Dwith files ) , and 3 linux partitions, ext3 / , ext3 /home , swap
[17:58] <DenSeaCaT> formatted all ext 3 and swap
[17:58] <DenSeaCaT> and now my Winxp cant boot
[18:00] <GridCube> thats something to expect, you delete the /boot area that grub uses
[18:00] <DenSeaCaT> I want: WinXP, barter partiton(D) for files, and xubuntu PROPERLY installed
[18:00] <DenSeaCaT> I have 2 USB sticks with latest backtrak linux and xubuntu.
[18:01] <DenSeaCaT> What should I do now?
[18:01] <GridCube> you need a live cd, boot from it, edit your partitions using gparted, if wanted install xubuntu, else install boot-repair from its ppa and use it to create a new grub install
[18:01] <DenSeaCaT> Sorry, noob in linux, cant understand
[18:02] <DenSeaCaT> I'm now running  live usb xubuntu on this notebook.
[18:02] <GridCube> open gparted and edit the partitions you want to the way you want them to be
[18:02] <DenSeaCaT> can someone guide me step-by-step in PM please?
[18:02] <GridCube> its like using partition magic
[18:02] <DenSeaCaT> Ok, sec
[18:05] <DenSeaCaT> Opened gparted. another question. when i've  formatted linux partitions, and re-created them, i've installed xubuntu. but it didn't booted. I've broke somthing or what?
[18:07] <DenSeaCaT> just black screen appears, and  says: unknown file system, grub rescue
[18:08] <DenSeaCaT> Is it means that grub installed on C drive?
[18:09] <tsimpson> grub should be installed on the disk itself, not any particular partition
[18:09] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, :) wait a moment
[18:09] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, grub is a boot loader that installs itself and depends on grub config files that are at /boot, you formated the drive that had /boot on it
[18:09] <GridCube> so grub cant know whats going on
[18:10] <GridCube> you need to a) choose where to place grub b) make such place c) install grub
[18:10] <tsimpson> you need to stop using the word "drive" when you mean "partition" ;)
[18:10] <DenSeaCaT> tsimpson, it means, that grub installs himself not to one of partitions e.g. c/d/e, but on hided sector of hdd?
[18:10] <GridCube> tsimpson, good call
[18:11] <tsimpson> DenSeaCaT: yes, it should be on the physical hard drive, rather than one of the partitions on that hard drive
[18:11] <DenSeaCaT> wait. Drive - means HDD, right? And partitions means some sector on it?
[18:12] <tsimpson> windows like to pretend that partitions and hard-drive-disks are the same thing
[18:12] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, c/d/e are windows names, you need the /dev/paths to them on grub or even the hd(0,0) nubers
[18:12] <tsimpson> when you partition your HDD in windows, it shows those as different "drives" with letters
[18:13] <DenSeaCaT> C/D/E in windows are sdb/sdc/sde in linux?
[18:13] <GridCube> no
[18:13] <tsimpson> no, they can be, but usually not
[18:13] <GridCube> it depends
[18:14] <tsimpson> windows does not distinguish between a physical HDD and partitions on a HDD
[18:14] <v1adimir> DenSeaCaT: all you needed was empty space and the installer could've done it
[18:14] <DenSeaCaT> Russians O_o?
[18:15] <v1adimir> at large :P
[18:15] <DenSeaCaT> Private please?
[18:15] <v1adimir> uh i'm not really here- sorry! :S
[18:15] <DenSeaCaT> What it means?
[18:16] <v1adimir> no time, if you wanted to see about the issue, gotta leave the house any minute
[18:17] <DenSeaCaT> Oh. k. So. Wht i should do to fix all stuff, that i've broke?(format all HDD,install WinXP and forget about linux is not an option:) )
[18:18] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, you can install xubuntu again
[18:18] <GridCube> that will fix grubn
[18:18] <DenSeaCaT> already installed, but wont boot
[18:18] <GridCube> or you can install grub-repair and make it install it again
[18:18] <GridCube> !boot-repair
[18:18] <GridCube> mmm
[18:18] <DenSeaCaT> I can google that)
[18:19] <tsimpson> "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" usually, assuming your disk is called /dev/sda
[18:19] <GridCube> boot on a live cd and install this: https://launchpad.net/~yannubuntu/+archive/boot-repair
[18:19] <GridCube> then run sudo boot-repair, fix the boot area, reboot, be happy
[18:20] <DenSeaCaT> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[18:21] <DenSeaCaT> I'm running live usb xubuntu right now, on this notebook that i've broke
[18:21] <GridCube> well, thats because you formated it
[18:21] <DenSeaCaT> But i've reinstalled xubuntu?
[18:21] <GridCube> apparently you didnt
[18:23] <DenSeaCaT> http://i008.radikal.ru/1209/ac/61e184b6b147.png
[18:24] <DenSeaCaT> xubuntu on sda7
[18:26] <DenSeaCaT> sudo apt-get install grub-repair won't work
[18:29] <GridCube> no
[18:30] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, did you add the ppa?
[18:30] <daxis> what's the deal with 12.04.1 not automounting usb drives? is there a quick fix for this?
[18:32] <Mathias> is there a quick way to switch between windows and xubuntu? rebooting takes too long time :P
[18:32] <daxis> virtualbox?
[18:33] <daxis> virtual machines are a bit slower, but they don't take as much time as rebooting
[18:33] <DenSeaCaT> GridCube yes
[18:33] <Mathias> daxis: playing games in VM's sucks :P
[18:34] <DenSeaCaT> terminal says E: Unable to locate package grub-repair
[18:34] <GridCube> DenSeaCaT, :( well i dont know then
[18:34] <GridCube> !grub
[18:34] <GridCube> see the restore grub tutorial DenSeaCaT
[18:35] <daxis> Mathis: get two computers and a kvm. one mouse, one keyboard, one monitor (or two), two computers
[18:35] <daxis> perfect solution :P
[18:36] <Mathias> daxis: that would kind of work
[18:36] <daxis> Mathias: what are you needing to do?
[18:36] <Mathias> it would though be kind of unpractical to take a screen, a keyboard, a mouse, a kvm switch, two laptops and a generator everywhere :P
[18:37] <daxis> oh i was thinking of desktops
[18:37] <daxis> nvm then
[18:37] <daxis> hmmm
[18:37] <Mathias> playing world of tanks in wine doesn't go so well :P, and i don't like any media players in windoze :P
[18:37] <Mathias> and i switch a lot
[18:38] <daxis> well if you do gaming on windows, why not run linux in the vm?
[18:38] <Mathias> i actually haven't tried playing 1080p in xubuntu in a vm
[18:39] <Mathias> that could be tomorrows project :P
[18:39] <daxis> sounds like a plan!
[18:39] <Mathias> :P
[18:39] <daxis> well i've got class... i guess i'll be back later
[18:40] <Mathias> 13:40? :o
[18:40] <DenSeaCaT> i've did sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda1 and on sda2 , but it says  Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[18:40] <daxis> you got it
[18:40] <Mathias> 8 hours behind me :S
[18:40] <daxis> central time
[18:41] <daxis> later all
[18:45] <DenSeaCaT> Wow, looks like it works
[18:46] <DenSeaCaT> hmm. brb.
[18:49] <DenSeaCaT_> Worked. thanks guys)
[18:50] <DenSeaCaT_> Now i know, how matter usb stick with live xubuntu installed on it :D
[18:54] <DenSeaCaT_> I have some questons. what better for slow notebook(1ggz cpu/ 1gb ram, integrated videocard) xfce/lxde/ or something? because my noebook is SO slow. i want more speed
[18:56] <Mathias> lubuntu might be a better option
[18:57] <pcroque> After attempting to set some keyboard options, I get an error message everytime I start a terminal: "Illegal map name '(+v)+' in symbols name 'pc+us(+v)+inet(evdev)+compose(ralt)'" Any ideas on how to fix? I've purged xfce4-xkb-plugin already, set xfce4-keyboard-settings to let X manage the keyboard.
[18:57] <pcroque> I'm out of ideas.
[18:59] <DenSeaCaT_> I've tried to install it today, but it wont work. installer just showed me bunch of errors
[19:00] <DenSeaCaT_> failed to run partition manager blah blah blah, failed to run something else, blah blah. so i decided to install xubuntu
[19:02] <DenSeaCaT_> Mathias is there any other way to replace my xfce to lxde enviroment?
[19:02] <Mathias> don't know, i'm not an expert :P
[19:02] <DenSeaCaT_> tht's sad
[19:02] <Mathias> ask me next year :P
[19:02] <DenSeaCaT_> at next year hope i'll gonna know it by myself ;0
[19:12] <DenSeaCaT_> What name of xubuntu default network manager? ANd can I replace him with Wicd network manager?
[19:55] <blizzow> I downloaded the 12.10 alpha3 iso and installed it on a USB disk using usb-creator-gtk.  I told it to install the bootloader but when I try and boot a laptop from the usb drive, the laptop shows "This is not a boot disk....Remove the disk and reboot."  Is there something special that needs to be done to make the 12.10 iso functional?
[20:37] <knome> blizzow, shouldn't be anything special comparing to the other releases.
[22:42] <xubuntu269> i have a computer
[22:42] <knome> congratulations
[22:42] <xubuntu269> thank you
[22:43] <xubuntu269> my mom put a few games on there
[22:44] <knome> right...
[22:45] <Unit193> Left...
[22:45] <knome> middle
[23:10] <pcroque> \q


[01:27] <mup> Bug #1948735 opened: delete event not sent when vmcluster deleted <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948735>
[02:54] <mup> Bug #1948740 opened: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:00] <mup> Bug #1948740 changed: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:04] <mup> Bug #1948740 opened: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:04] <mup> Bug #1948743 opened: pod.refresh on a cluster host does not respond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948743>
[03:07] <mup> Bug #1948740 changed: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:07] <mup> Bug #1948743 changed: pod.refresh on a cluster host does not respond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948743>
[03:10] <mup> Bug #1948740 opened: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:10] <mup> Bug #1948743 opened: pod.refresh on a cluster host does not respond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948743>
[03:13] <mup> Bug #1948740 changed: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:13] <mup> Bug #1948743 changed: pod.refresh on a cluster host does not respond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948743>
[03:16] <mup> Bug #1948740 opened: Refreshing single LXD host errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948740>
[03:16] <mup> Bug #1948743 opened: pod.refresh on a cluster host does not respond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948743>
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1948749 opened: create event not sent when vmcluster created <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948749>
[04:40] <mup> Bug #1948749 changed: create event not sent when vmcluster created <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948749>
[04:43] <mup> Bug #1948749 opened: create event not sent when vmcluster created <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948749>


[12:15] <benji> ooh, the AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'clone' problem is aparently a symptom of a change to PyPI (they put it behind a CDN)
[12:15] <gary_poster> hey bac, it looks like your branch *might* have broken jenkins in some new exciting way
[12:16] <gary_poster> it failed twice in the same way since your branch
[12:16] <gary_poster> I have no idea why your branch would trigger that error :-/
[12:17] <gary_poster> but could you do a bit of investigation and see if you can dupe, maybe by running the tests locally
[12:17] <gary_poster> ?
[12:19] <rick_h_> benji: I thought I got that before this. Cool if there's a fix though.
[12:19] <rick_h_> benji: the thing is that it's loading a package that's locally cached isn't it?
[12:19] <benji> no fix yet
[12:21] <benji> I don't think we've set up any local caching.
[12:22] <rick_h_> benji: the archives directory?
[12:22] <rick_h_> with closure-linter and selenium?
[12:22] <rick_h_> I was thinking that path was off when running in the new dir lbox creates
[12:23] <benji> Maybe.
[12:24] <rick_h_> benji: ah, nvm. Reading my log it's installing closure_linter, but failing on the dep python-gflags so yea...pypi
[12:24] <benji> I just installed python-gflags into my system (apt-get install python-gflags) and it is happy now
[12:56] <hatch> morning
[13:02] <bac> hi hatch
[13:03] <gary_poster> hey hatch
[13:03] <gary_poster> bac I talked to you in your absence
[13:03] <gary_poster> you did not reply
 hey bac, it looks like your branch *might* have broken jenkins in some new exciting way
 it failed twice in the same way since your branch
 I have no idea why your branch would trigger that error :-/
 but could you do a bit of investigation and see if you can dupe, maybe by running the tests locally
 ?
[13:03] <bac> gary_poster: ok, will do
[13:04] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[13:34] <benji> The PyPI CDN issue has been fixed.
[13:38] <rick_h_> yay
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca: jcastro heads up, url change for using the browser on uistage: https://jujugui.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/yesterday-we-landed-a-change-that-moved-the/
[14:01] <jcastro> rick_h_: ok so I need to change the link on the website?
[14:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: ? which website?
[14:01] <jcastro> juju.ubuntu.com
[14:01] <jcastro> has a link to ui stage
[14:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: no, that's just to view it with the browser
[14:01] <jcastro> oh, ok, nod
[14:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: for your own 'how does it look, qa, wtf'ness
[14:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: vs uistage:/bws/sidebar/...
[14:03] <jcastro> rick_h_: I was expecting you to need the link updated, because IS just updated the website like 10 minutes ago. And you know how fate rolls.
[14:17] <jcsackett> rick_h_: branch is actually updated now: https://codereview.appspot.com/9828043
[14:17] <rick_h_> jcsackett: rgr, will look. Thakns
[14:17] <jcsackett> hatch, Makyo: any chance one of you could take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/9828043 ? need a second review.
[14:18] <Makyo> jcsackett, sure.
[14:19] <jcsackett> thanks Makyo.
[14:22] <abentley> sinzui: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/shrink-mongo/+merge/165928 ?
[14:25] <sinzui> abentley, this is the entire module that does the checking in pocketlint. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sinzui/pocket-lint/trunk/view/head:/pocketlint/formatcheck.py
[14:25] <abentley> sinzui: Cool.
[14:29] <rick_h_> jcsackett: feedback inbound
[14:36] <benji> anyone up for a second review? https://codereview.appspot.com/9657046/
[14:40] <teknico> benji: looking
[14:40] <benji> hatch: is your "Create document about angular vs yui refactoring" card in review because you want people to review it?  If so, I have a moment to do so.
[14:40] <benji> thanks, teknico
[14:51] <jcsackett> rick_h_: any examples of a docstring for @event with paylod? can't find one.
[14:53] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yea, hmm. There were examples docs we're supposed to use for the @event stuff. Trying to see if I can find it.
[14:55] <hatch> gary_poster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg yeah it was C#
[14:55] <gary_poster> hatch, :-) cool
[14:55] <rick_h_> jcsackett: per http://jujugui.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/weekly-update-matt-start-using-yuidoc-event-yuidoc/ since you don't publish the event I'm wrong.
[14:55] <rick_h_> jcsackett: so nvm I guess.
[14:58] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ok.
[14:59] <teknico> benji: how about a quick call about your branch?
[15:06] <Makyo> jcsackett, FYI, something's up with net, I've been pulling from npm for about 30 mins.  Promise I'm reviewing :)
[15:06] <jcsackett> Makyo: dig. thanks for the update, and sorry for your net woes. :-)
[15:10] <rick_h_> anyone else seeing giant request times to npmjs.org? https://registry.npmjs.org/uglify-js/1.3.4 for instance is 20s to load for me atm
[15:10]  * rick_h_ regrets the make clean-all right now
[15:11] <Makyo> rick_h_, ^^^
[15:11] <Makyo> Guess it's not just me.
[15:11] <rick_h_> Makyo: ah, missed the npm part of your comment.
[15:11] <rick_h_> Makyo: ok, glad it's not just me then
[15:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: wasn't there work going on to make npm an offline cache for installs?
[15:12] <rick_h_> Makyo: or did that never get into play. Or just on the charm?
[15:13] <Makyo> rick_h_, I thiiink some set up a local cache for themselves a while back, but I don't think it ever became part of the actual process.
[15:14]  * rick_h_ fears doing a lbox submit ...
[15:18] <benji> teknico: I just noticed your message.  Sure, how about the regular place?
[15:19] <teknico> benji: guichat? ok
[15:33] <gary_poster> rick_h_, Makyo benji: benji did that
[15:33] <rick_h_> jcsackett: return review? https://codereview.appspot.com/9841044 hatch or bcsaller as a second please? Ignore the updated generated .json files used for sample data in the tests.
[15:33] <gary_poster> npm cache
[15:33] <gary_poster> but for distributions
[15:33] <gary_poster> in the charm
[15:33] <gary_poster> not usable for developer
[15:33] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ah ok, so not in dev.
[15:33] <hatch> rick_h_, ok I can take a look
[15:33] <gary_poster> right
[15:33] <rick_h_> hatch: thanks, should make your life easier.
[15:34] <hatch> I hope I don't have to QA that json file :P
[15:34] <rick_h_> sinzui: abentley though in testnig I'm still getting 1.5-2s requests to /interesting so might be cool to start up some caching or such on m.j.c coming up
[15:34] <rick_h_> hatch: I said not to :P
[15:34] <rick_h_> hatch: two .json files generated, just trust me, they're valid ones from m.j.c
[15:34] <hatch> haha
[15:34] <sinzui> rick_h_, against m.jc ?
[15:35] <rick_h_> sinzui: yes
[15:35] <gary_poster> manage.jujucharms.com
[15:35] <gary_poster> I like it
[15:35] <rick_h_> sinzui: that's locally so might not be perfect test case, but noticed it a lot in doing QA
[15:35] <sinzui> rick_h_, when I browse m.jc, I often see my requests timeout ...well a timeout between apache and the proxies
[15:35] <rick_h_> sinzui: and the caching from jcsackett will help as well, but still. 2s for the request and .5s for the transfer was longer than I'd hoped
[15:35] <rick_h_> sinzui: :(
[15:35] <abentley> rick_h_: How does that compare to requests for static files on m.j.c?
[15:36] <rick_h_> abentley: looking
[15:36] <rick_h_> abentley: so each icon is sub 300ms for instance
[15:37] <rick_h_> abentley: the /interseting OPTIONS request was 130ms while the actual data was 2.3s in this sample load
[15:37] <rick_h_> that's 130ms including network time
[15:37] <abentley> rick_h_: Gotcha.
[15:37] <sinzui> damn. I cannot get m.jc to show me the timeout now. I bet its meager cache is hot right now
[15:38] <rick_h_> so still all nice and better, but might be nice to stick a card/bug to look for low hanging fruit to optimize
[15:38] <abentley> rick_h_: So it sounds like a genuine perf issue.  We could address it with caching, but we might be able to optimize in other ways.  I would prefer that, because that would also help users who hit /interesting when it's cold.
[15:39] <sinzui> abentley, /interesting is getting a lot of related charms at this moment. Your current card may address that
[15:40] <rick_h_> abentley: definitely. didn't mean to say we should implement X, just investigate. Once this branch lands we'll see it a lot easier.
[15:47] <hatch> rick_h_, donezo
[15:48] <rick_h_> hatch: yay thanks
[15:48] <hatch> don't thank me yet!
[15:48] <rick_h_> well, maybe yay. Depends on what you found
[15:48] <hatch> jk ;)
[15:48] <hatch> lol nothing to serious
[15:50] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 10; kanban now pls
[15:51] <rick_h_> hatch: replies inbound. I disagree :/
[15:51] <hatch> NEVA!!!
[15:52] <rick_h_> hatch: let me know if you need more convincing :P
[15:52] <hatch> I do, I have a very thick skull
[15:52] <hatch> :P
[15:52] <hatch> haha going to read now
[15:52]  * rick_h_ goes to get the 'agree with rick curse you' bat
[15:55] <hatch> I think we can reach some middle ground
[15:55] <hatch> investimagatering
[15:55] <rick_h_> hatch: k, welcome to have a chat post-stand up
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujgui call in 2
[16:12] <abentley> adeuring: now that there's a 'promulgated' attribute, I think charmworld.models.is_reviewed should be removed, or redefined in terms of the promulgated attribute.
[16:13] <abentley> adeuring: similarly for reviewed_clause
[16:13] <abentley> in ElasticSearchClient.
[16:14] <adeuring> abentley: yes, renaming would make sense. I am not sure about removing the function -- could it happen that we redefine reviewed/promulgated/... again?
[16:17] <abentley> adeuring: It's conceivable that we'd redefine 'reviewed', but I don't think that justifies keeping a one-liner function, especially since I think changing the def is unlikely.
[16:18] <adeuring> abentley: well, changing this one-liner helps to change several views at once :)
[16:19] <adeuring> I prefer to have this sort of "common definition", even in trivial cases
[16:20] <hatch> rick_h_, replied - lemme know if you would like to discuss
[16:23] <rick_h_> hatch: guichat?
[16:23] <hatch> yup
[16:23] <rick_h_> hatch: nvm, new chat
[16:23] <hatch> it's full
[16:23] <hatch> :)
[16:24] <hatch> r u making the new room or am I? :)
[16:25] <rick_h_> hatch: tried to make one and invite you. You no show
[16:25] <rick_h_> hatch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/762e94644ca67de98ca216ec502111c4f338a3b2?hl=en
[16:30] <abentley> adeuring: sure, and the main virtue of the "promulgated" attribute is that it can act as that common definition.  It would be even better if it were called "reviewed" instead of "promulgated"-- that would make it obvious that we should update its definition if the definition of "reviewed" changes.
[16:32] <adeuring> abentley: ummm... what if the meaning of promulgated and reviewed diverges? I chose promulgated as the attribute name because it refects the things done by ptomulgation script
[16:35] <gary_poster> sinzui, hey.  I have two topics.  First, I wanted to check with you as to where we are with m.j.c stability.  We had said that it would be ready to be used in production for the gui by the end of this week, as I understood it.  is that what you understand, and is that still on schedule?  Jon gave me an overview and it sounded like everything was well in hand with the possibly significant exception of mongo insanity.
[16:35] <gary_poster>   That made me a bit nervous.
[16:36] <jcsackett> gary_poster, sinzui: specifically, as i understood from standup, we're still looking at the mongodb size which has given us problems.
[16:38] <gary_poster> Second topic was making sure that Orange and GUI are aligned in terms of incremental delivery.  While it is true that we have a big deadline and unveiling for your work in a couple of months, the GUI has many incremental deliveries before then, and we want to make sure that Orange squad is comfortable and happy and aligned with the fact that their work will be released incrementally, frequently and much sooner than
[16:38] <gary_poster> a couple of months from now.
[16:38] <gary_poster> ack thanks for clarification jcsackett
[16:40] <sinzui> gary_poster, we have sorted the db issue. We still see a performance issue relating to large data transfers that will be fixed, but I think there may be other undiscovered performance issues as hinted in the channel a few hours ago
[16:40] <gary_poster> sinzui, fantastic about db issue.
[16:41] <rick_h_> jcsackett: not sure if you saw but I talked jeff into letting my dirty tricks go, care to second please? https://codereview.appspot.com/9841044
[16:41] <jcsackett> rick_h_: looking. nervous about "dirty tricks" though. ;-P
[16:41] <sinzui> gary_poster, We also need to ensure all charm data is consistent. That is to say, charm rules have changed over time, but not all charms have been updates. I want this fixed this week. I think that will give us the reliability we need
[16:41] <rick_h_> jcsackett: bwuhahahahaha
[16:43] <gary_poster> sinzui, reliability fixed this week: also great.  performance and reliability: will we have m.j.c updated our Friday morning so we can evaluate it and see if it is performant enough to reveal the charm browser (without flags) in the GUI?
[16:44] <sinzui> yes, let's do that
[16:45] <gary_poster> cool thanks sinzui
[16:48] <gary_poster> sinzui, made appt for Friday.  Gave you edit privs.  Feel free to invite all of orange, move, or do what you will.  You'll coordinate with IS to get m.j.c updated for then?
[16:49] <sinzui> fab. Thanks gary_poster
[16:49] <gary_poster> ty
[16:50] <teknico> benji: I forgot to mention in the review that you need to add the new doc filename to docs/index.rst, for it to show up in the generated docs
[16:51] <benji> teknico: that's a good one.  I already submitted the branch though.  I'll do a quick self-reviewed branch to add it to the index.
[16:52] <teknico> benji: sorry for the delay :-)
[16:52] <benji> teknico: we really need a test that would have failed when I added a doc file but forgot to stitch it into the doc tree
[16:53] <benji> and we need another test that shows that the docs build with no errors/warnings
[16:53] <teknico> benji: uhm, interesting notion. tests about docs? what next, docs about tests? OHWAIT
[16:53] <benji> :)
[16:54] <jcsackett> jujugui: since having to recreate my juju-gui environment, make devel sometimes requires sudo...have i screwed something up, or is that just the way it is?
[16:54] <gary_poster> the former, I hope.  I don't
[16:54] <benji> that is new behavior to me
[16:55] <jcsackett> ok. i'll poke around and see what's happened. AFAICT it asks for sudo when doing npm get.
[16:55] <rick_h_> jcsackett: sec, got a fix for you
[16:55] <jcsackett> hurray
[16:57] <jcsackett> rick_h_: make this go away, and you will be my new hero.
[17:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett:  sudo chown -R rharding:rharding ~/.npm ~/tmp/
[17:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: only s/rharding/yourUser
[17:00] <rick_h_> jcsackett: when you follow the hacking dock and sudo npm install the couple of deps, it creates those dirs owned by root:root and later it tries to reuse them for local use and can't
[17:01] <rick_h_> jcsackett: I hit it every time I setup a new lxc/etc
[17:01] <jcsackett> rick_h_: fixed it. fantastic, thanks.
[17:06] <abentley> adeuring: Then IMO "promulgated" should change to with the definition of "reviewed", because "promulgated" itself is not valuable info-- it is redundant with store_url.
[17:14]  * hatch lunching
[17:14] <adeuring> abentley: Might make sense. The main issue is probably that we need to define better what promulgated/reviewed/approved/whatever means, and how we want to represent it in code and data. But I am meanwhile a bit tired, let's discuss this another day
[18:06] <rick_h_> benji: ping, I'm trying to lbox submit and the tests complete, but right after I get a error about tornado missing in test/websockietreplay.py?
[18:06] <rick_h_> benji: did that get added to a deps list or am I missing a manual step for lbox submit and the copy/dir it creates?
[18:08] <rick_h_> benji: https://pastebin.canonical.com/91804/ is the trace from submit.
[18:09] <rick_h_> benji: ah, nvm. It's a sys package so nothing would have installed it. any reason we can't use a download-cache/locked python version of these things? Isolate them more and not need manual steps to build?
[18:09] <rick_h_> benji: and curious how you got around the problem with the clone then so I can do this in an lxc vs my main system.
[18:17] <benji> rick_h_: I'm back from lunch and readying the scrollback.
[18:17] <rick_h_> benji: rgr
[18:17] <benji> ??
[18:17] <rick_h_> benji: basically the how to get around the clone thing I think will fix things for now
[18:19] <benji> rick_h_: I thought the recent PyPI CDN fix would have made that go away.  Hmm, you may have cached broken downloads from PyPI.
[18:19] <benji> also, my work-around was to install python-gflags into the system (apt-get install python-gflags, IIRC)
[18:20] <rick_h_> benji: yea, tried that but when I go to run a submit, it hits the virtualenv directory for it and fails to find it
[18:20] <rick_h_> we're in this strange with a venv, but with system packages mode that isn't sync'd right it seems
[18:20] <benji> rick_h_: perhaps killing the virtualenv would help; I clobbered mine mightily while fighting the same problem
[18:21] <rick_h_> benji: yea, doing another make clean-all, but this is happening on lbox submit so it's creating the whole directory, merging trunk, etc all outside of my control
[18:21] <benji> I would much rather use buildout for this.  It is a bit harder to use that pip, but it has much nicer tools for making reproducable builds.
[18:21] <rick_h_> we use pip with it in charmworld.
[18:22] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-jitsu/charmworld/trunk/view/head:/Makefile#L78
[18:22] <rick_h_> ok, will keep hacknig at it then. I thought had you found a different fix.
[18:22] <benji> I wish I could be of more help.
[18:23] <rick_h_> benji: so then if you don't have this what version of virtualenv do you use right now? I'm wondering if it's pre "all venvs will be --no-site-packages" change perhaps
[18:23] <rick_h_> benji: thus why your installing of the gfalgs system wide works while mine doesn't
[18:23] <rick_h_> err, gsflag or whatever it is
[18:24] <benji> rick_h_: oh! that's probably it; on your advice I installed a newer virtualenv (in my account, not system-wide, but to the same effect)
[18:24] <rick_h_> benji: ok, so when lbox submit runs is it using the older system one or the newer local one?
[18:24] <benji> newer, local
[18:51] <hatch> little concerned my laptop harddrive is cookin!
[18:51] <rick_h_> time for an upgrade!
[18:51] <hatch> I can feel the heat radiating off of it
[18:51] <rick_h_> cook cook cook
[18:52] <hatch> lol I have to completely disassemble the laptop to get to it. This thing needs to last until the new MBP comes out
[18:53]  * hatch wants haswell
[19:02] <bac> yay, jenkins is happy again
[19:05] <bac> i wish i could report i fixed it and this will never happen again.
[19:06] <rick_h_> bac: I accept your report and celebrate wildly :)
[19:07] <bac> rick_h_: you better do it quickly before the next run of jenkins roulette
[19:10] <hatch> lol
[19:19] <gary_poster> :-/
[19:41] <hatch> to add another script to the assets directory and have it combined in much like d3 do I simply need to add it to JSFILES in the makefile?
[19:49] <bac> benji: on CI tests, i am seeing periodic failures on IE10 for set_test_result.  the call to connection.request results in getaddrinfo failing trying to get info for saucelabs.  (due to a bug it confusingly report "no such file or directory").  you have any thoughts?
[19:54] <hatch> hmm nothing i try will get the makefile to build angular into the all-yui.js file
[20:00] <hatch> O K what's the trick?
[20:01] <rick_h_> hatch angular?
[20:01] <hatch> to include assets into the bundle
[20:01] <rick_h_> hatch the js frsmework?
[20:02] <hatch> yeah
[20:03] <hatch> is the trick to create a link to it in the assets dir?
[20:03] <rick_h_> ok color me ingerested on whats up with pulling in another framework.
[20:03] <rick_h_> bah stupif d tablet keyboard
[20:04] <hatch> prototyping some stuff
[20:04] <hatch> but it's no good if I have to manually include a huge script tag in the index.html
[20:04] <hatch> lol
[20:27] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ping, still around?
[20:28] <jcsackett> rick_h_: yup.
[20:28] <rick_h_> jcsackett: so I was poking at the network graph on staging http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/:flags:/browser_enabled/ and noticed that it's loading spin.min.js outside of the rest of the js?
[20:28] <rick_h_> jcsackett: is that expected or maybe a miss in adding the file to the list of known modules, merge-files, etc?
[20:30] <jcsackett> rick_h_: that's used for the intiial spinner when you open jujugui; i haven't monkied with that b/c my attempts to do so broke it locally. i have a cleanup branch that changes that initial spinner to use the spin YUI module and kill spin.min.js
[20:30] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ah, makes sense I guess. I don't have a before/after atm so it just jumped out at me
[20:31] <jcsackett> rick_h_: yeah, anything with spin.min.js predates my work--i left it alone while updating our spinners.
[21:37] <Makyo>  *dogwalk*