[00:11] <dkfjfjfj> hey
[00:12] <dkfjfjfj> minimec:  i am just going to try gnome
[00:14] <basketball> ikonia:  i am getting a bunch of ubuntu error message pop ups i am just clicking report is that the right thing to do
[00:25] <jdsjhf> !chrome
[00:47] <basketball> ikonia:  in gnome how do i make the launcher like thing icons bigger
[00:53] <basketball> how do i resize the favorite icons in gnome 3.10
[02:45] <brian__> anyone know how to install a theme in gnome shell
[02:45] <brian__> 14.04 ubuntu gnome
[02:46] <Beldar> brian__, You want the theme or the desktop?
[02:46] <brian__> i downloaded and unzipped and copied to ~/themes
[02:46] <brian__> Beldar, what is the dif
[02:46] <brian__> I want all windows (including chrome etc) to have a dark background with white text
[02:46] <Beldar> brian__, One is a theme, one is a whole desktop, not the same.
[02:46] <rww> iirc it's .themes, not themes
[02:47] <brian__> ~/themes doesn't exist... mkdir?
[02:48] <brian__> where do i find 'desktops'
[02:49] <brian__> i'm looking for themes at gnome-look.org
[03:19] <junkanoo> i can't get a gnome shell theme to 'take'
[03:20] <junkanoo> copied to /home/themes, went into tweak -> extensions and turned on user themes then went to appearance and switched to "Glass" theme I downloaded... but it doesn't look any different
[03:20] <junkanoo> help
[03:23] <basketball> ikonia,  when i plug in a vga monitor my laptop goes bizerg and freaks out
[03:28] <basketball> when i plug in a vga monitor my laptop goes bizerg and freaks out
[03:29] <basketball> hey rww
[03:37] <harris> Requested size (2560, 1024) exceeds 3D hardware limit (2048, 2048).You must either rearrange the displays so that they fit within a (2048, 2048) square.
[03:42] <JohnCalvin> Did kim kardashian spread her pussy for kayne west?
[03:42] <JohnCalvin> !ops
[03:42] <rww> JohnCalvin: no thx
[04:00] <basketball> rww,  can you help me here :)
[04:11] <basketball> when i plug in vga monitor my laptop stops responding
[04:15] <basketball> anyone here
[04:24] <basketball> rww,  when i plug in my speakers why does it togle the mute button over and over again
[04:25] <rww> basketball: I believe we talked recently about highlighting ops with support questions out of the blue?
[04:26] <basketball> you are the only one on i didnt do it because you are op i did it becasue you are online
[04:27] <rww> basketball: If someone knows the answer to your question, they'll answer you. I'm not the only one on, just nobody is available that can help.
[07:52] <allstarsnorks2_> Can I update from Daily Build 14.04 to Final 14.04 when it 14.04 comes out April 17?
[07:52] <rww> 07:49:36 < rww> allstarsnorks2: yep, though the usual system update process
[07:52] <rww> :P
[07:52] <rww> !finalrelease
[07:53] <rww> hrm
[07:53] <rww> !finalupgrade
[07:53] <rww> oh, i'm overthinking it
[07:53] <rww> !final
[07:54] <allstarsnorks2_> how about the Beta L/K/X ubuntu?
[07:54] <rww> same
[07:54] <allstarsnorks2_> great
[07:57] <allstarsnorks2_> it's been quite a while since I clicked install on the graphical installer. Nothing's happening!
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:44] <lanoxx> where can i find the code for the indicator applet used in unity?
[12:00] <thomas__> Hello, Anybody out there able to help me with a trusty issue?
[12:06] <bekks> !anyone | thomas__
[12:07] <thomas__> sorry, well I upgraded to beta1 as it was stated to contain kde 4.12.2 however i ended up with 4.12.3 which wouldnt be bad, BUT the db migration of akonadi failed and now I am stuck with no access to mails stored in kontact
[12:07] <minimec> lanoxx: Iguess you can use the source file of indicator-applet-complete... http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=indicator-applet&searchon=names
[12:07] <thomas__> anyone able to tell me how to fix https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331867 or how to downgrade to 4.12.2 ?
[12:13] <lanoxx> minimec, as far as I know the indicator-applet-complete stuff is for the old gnome-panel, or does unity use the same source?
[12:14] <minimec> lanoxx: You may be right. Indeed I have gnome-panel installed, and indicator-applet-complete is installed on my 14.04 system.
[12:16] <lanoxx> minimec, i have the indicator applet code here on my system and being debugging it for a few days
[12:16] <lanoxx> but i want to look at the unity code to see how things are done there
[12:17] <Daekdroom> lanoxx I think you'd have a better luck asking in #ubuntu-unity . It's the channel for Ubuntu's UI development.
[12:17] <minimec> lanoxx: Cool... Because I use the old gnome-panel in combination with e17, and there is some stuff missing in 14.04, like 'sound'...
[12:18] <Daekdroom> Anyway, the indicator stuff for Unity are packages such as indicator-bluetooth, indicator-sound, indicator-printers, -power, -keyboard, -session...
[12:21] <lanoxx> minimec, i suggest you subscribe to the gnome-flashback-list mailing list, there are people who can help you
[12:22] <minimec> lanoxx: I might consider that. THX
[12:22] <lanoxx> minimec, i use metacity + gnome-panel, alberts has ported metacity to gtk+3
[12:33] <basketballllll> Hwllo
[12:34] <basketballllll> Hello
[12:36] <basketballllll> Hey phowyett
[12:39] <lordievader> Hey basketballllll, do you need support with something? It is best to simply ask the questions you might have.
[12:40] <ikonia> I think basketballllll, you've  been asked not to single out individuals for support unless you are already in a dialog with them.
[12:41] <basketballllll> Ikonk he just joined the channel so i said hi
[12:41] <basketballllll> A d iord yes when i olug in a vga monitor my laptop stops responding
[12:51] <basketballllll> When i plug in my mobitor before i log in my keyboard wont type my password
[12:54] <lordievader> basketballllll: On a tty you should be able to login by just typing your login on the kb, I'm not really sure how lightdm handles that without a monitor.
[12:55] <basketballllll> No i have a laptop and i am talking about second monitor
[12:55] <minimec> basketballllll: I am not sure if this is the answer to my question... If you turn of your laptop, then plug the monitor, then boot up the laptop... What happens. Do you get a login screen on the laptop monitor, on the vga monitor, or what?
[12:55] <basketballllll> My bad for not explain ing
[12:56] <basketballllll> i gwt the login screen but i cant type my password it doens rrconize the key
[12:57] <minimec> basketballllll: And where do you get that login screen? on the laptop or on the second monitor?
[12:57] <basketballllll> I can go downstairs and check
[12:59] <lordievader> Might be a focus problem/bug.
[13:00] <basketballllll> Willtou be online in 5 min
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:01] <minimec> lordievader: He has an external monitor with a different resolution, I guess, and xrandr cannot expand the desktop. I am just surprised, that he doesn't remember on which screen he gets the login when doing a 'cold boot' with the monitor plugged... ;)
[13:02] <basketballllll> I am pretty sure the external but not sure
[13:02] <basketballllll> And if i plug monitor in after i log in then it works
[13:03] <penguin42> basketballllll: What hardware are you using?  I'd seen similar behaviour on an Nvidia laptop
[13:03] <basketballllll> Hp pavilionv6000
[13:04] <penguin42> do you know anything about it's graphics card?
[13:04] <basketballllll> And a samsung vga mobitor
[13:04] <minimec> basketballllll: So now I doon't understand anything anymore, because bofore you said, that the computer 'stops responding' ?!?
[13:04] <basketballllll> Min i fixed that and now it just doesnt reconize keyboard on login screen
[13:05] <penguin42> basketballllll: you say it doesn't recognise keyboard - does anything else work? e.g. does the mouse move?
[13:05] <basketballllll> Yes mouse moves
[13:06] <penguin42> basketballllll: Does a USB keyboard plugged in work?
[13:06] <basketballllll> Whwn mobitor is not pluged in
[13:06] <basketballllll> Or after i login
[13:06] <penguin42> basketballllll: No that's not what I meant
[13:06] <penguin42> basketballllll: In the situation where the laptop keyboard doesn't work, does a separate USB keyboard work ?
[13:07] <basketballllll> No
[13:07] <bekks> Does your laptop have keyboard leds, and are they blinking?
[13:09] <basketballllll> It has leds yes
[13:09] <bekks> Do they blink...?
[13:10] <basketballllll> Why would they blink
[13:10] <penguin42> a kernel panic would cause them all to blink; but if the mouse still moves it's not panic'd
[13:10] <bekks> Was that a yes or a no?
[13:11] <basketballllll> It does not blink and the login screen is on laptop
[13:12] <basketballllll> Caps lock wilk turn on and off though
[13:12] <basketballllll> Password just wont type
[13:13] <penguin42> ah, if caps lock works then the keyboard is OK
[13:13] <penguin42> basketballllll: does ctrl-alt-f1 get you a text console?
[13:15] <minimec> basketballllll: What if we enabled 'autologin' for your user in the user settings once. That would give us the possibility to see, how xrandr epands the desktop over these two screens, and maybe we could check the display GUI in the settings to see how it is recognized.
[13:15] <basketballllll> Penguin yes
[13:15] <penguin42> basketballllll: Great
[13:16] <penguin42> basketballllll: It sounds then like the greeter or lightdm has died
[13:16] <penguin42> basketballllll: /var/log/lightdm should hold logs showing your errors

[13:17] <basketballllll> Penguin bash var … is a directory
[13:21] <basketballllll> Penguin u here
[13:23] <minimec> basketballllll: Ok. We will have a look @ that log file. First install the software pastebinit... 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit'. Then type the following command: 'sudo nano /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | pastebinit'. That should give you a link, that you can share with us. It will give us the content of your lightdm log file.
[13:23] <basketballllll> Should i be in gui or terminal thing
[13:23] <minimec> basketballllll: terminal
[13:23] <basketballllll> Terminal in gui
[13:24] <basketballllll> Or the crtl alt f1
[13:24] <minimec> basketballllll: I was wrong with the command: it's 'sudo cat /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | pastebinit'
[13:25] <minimec> basketballllll: It would be good to have the laptop in that 'frozen' state with the external monitor plugged. So 'ctrl alt F1'
[13:26] <basketballllll> Ok what do i type
[13:27] <minimec> basketballllll: 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit', then 'sudo cat /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | pastebinit'
[13:29] <basketballllll> You are trying to send an empty document existing
[13:32] <minimec> basketballllll: Verify that you typed '/var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log' correctly. That file shouldn't be empty.
[13:33] <basketballllll> Is there a space between cat
[13:34] <minimec> basketballllll: Yes.
[13:34] <basketballllll> Ok o wasnt ttping that
[13:35] <basketballllll> Http://paste.ubuntu.com/7061690
[13:37] <minimec> basketballllll: Ok. thanks. Indeed we get an message 'Terminated with signal 15', 'Failed during authentication', 'Session stopped'
[13:38] <minimec> basketballllll: Now penguin42 will probably be better with debugging lightdm than me. You might have to wait until he finished his breakfast.
[13:38] <basketballllll> Would it mattwr if i loged in to the gui and did the alt crtl f1 from there
[13:39] <minimec> basketballllll: I would consider to activate the 'autologin' for user 'harris' and check what that gives us. Go to 'system settings' 'user accounts' for that.
[13:40] <basketballllll> Why
[13:40]  * penguin42 bbbuuuurrrrrpppps
[13:40] <basketballllll> Penguin can you help me debug lightdm
[13:40] <minimec> basketballllll: because we would not have a lightdm login session then...
[13:40] <basketballllll> Please
[13:41] <basketballllll> Min i need a password i take myblaptop to work
[13:41] <penguin42> basketballllll: Can you also pastebin /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log
[13:42] <minimec> basketballllll: This is just for debugging. You could activate it again afterwards
[13:43] <basketballllll> Ubuntu paste 7061733
[13:45] <basketballllll> Http://paste.ubuntu.com/7061733/
[13:47] <penguin42> hmm, my greeter log is a lot less chatty, but I don't know if that's because I'm on KDE or not; there are certainly some warnings/errors in there - but no signal/crash type thing
[13:49]  * penguin42 is just installing a vm with standard trusty and I'll see what it's greeter log looks like
[13:49] <basketballllll> Boss what do i do
[13:53]  * basketballllll is waiting patiently
[13:58] <basketballllll> Penguin42 i am in the gui waitinf and i keep getting apport windows
[14:00] <thomas__> upgraded to ubuntu 14.04 beta BUT db migration of akonadi failed and now I am stuck with no access to mails stored in kontact https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331867
[14:00] <penguin42> basketballllll: what errors are they giving?
[14:00] <thomas__> ANY Help appreciated
[14:01] <basketballllll> Ill tell you after we fix the login problem
[14:02] <minimec> basketballllll: I remember that I told how to switch from gnome3 to unity yesterday. Are you running on unity now?
[14:02] <bekks> MAybe they tell you something about the reason for your login problems.
[14:02] <basketballllll> No still gnome
[14:02] <basketballllll> And it was about chrome
[14:03] <minimec> basketballllll: penguin42: Could the fact (running gnome3) have an influence on the login behaviour. I think gnome3 would 'prefer' gdm as login manager...
[14:03] <basketballllll> Ok i rebooted my laptop and it still wouldnt let me type so i opened up the crtl alt f1 ready when you are to do something
[14:04] <bekks> gnome uses gdm, not lightdm.
[14:04] <bekks> That would be the reason for an empty lightdm log.
[14:04] <basketballllll> I am using light dm though
[14:05] <basketballllll> How do i switch to gdm
[14:05] <bekks> Why do you want to switch?
[14:05] <minimec> basketballllll: So then maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm' would give you the possibility to switch to gdm as default.
[14:05] <basketballllll> Bekks i installed unoty yesterday so i have both unity and gnome 3 and light dm as default
[14:06] <bekks> basketballllll: And why dont you want to use lightdm?
[14:06] <basketballllll> They kustbsaid that was the problem
[14:08] <penguin42> bekks: The greeter is crashing on him
[14:09] <penguin42> minimec: I don't know, while I'd expect it might break gnome3 after login perhaps, it shouldn't break it before you have a chance to type a password
[14:11] <basketballllll> From the terminal page how do o get to the login screen
[14:11] <minimec> penguin42: That could explain the fact, that he gets a lot of error messages after login...
[14:12] <penguin42> minimec: Yeh
[14:12] <penguin42> basketballllll: When you installed gnome3 did you install some of the unity stuff?
[14:13] <minimec> penguin42: On the other hand... I gave gnome3 a try too and did not have error messages with lightdm, but it broke my unity setup. The 14.04 unity/gnome3 separation is not integrated yet.
[14:13] <basketballllll> Penguin gnome 3 game installed i installed unity
[14:13] <penguin42> minimec: Yeh, I think the greeter uses bits of the unity stuff, so if bits of that were removed it would explain some things
[14:14] <basketballllll> Hey it worked
[14:15] <basketballllll> In 13.10 there was an option for launcher to be on both screens can i do that in gnomd
[14:15] <penguin42> basketballllll: If you're sticking with lightdm then try and install the lightdm-gtk-greeter package, and uninstall the unity-greeter package  - it'll use a simpler greeter
[14:16] <basketballllll> No ill use gdm
[14:16] <penguin42> ok
[14:16] <basketballllll> Should i uninstall anythinf
[14:16] <penguin42> hey if it works don't touch it
[14:16] <basketballllll> Ok you know how up at the top jt says activities
[14:17] <DJones> basketballllll: I get a similar issue typing my password, what I find works is either to turn the onscreen keyboard on and use that to put the first letter of the password in, or to press the escape key before typing the password, so far one or the other works for me
[14:18] <penguin42> DJones: Hang on
[14:18] <basketballllll> Djones how !any monitors do you have
[14:18] <DJones> basketballllll: Only one
[14:18] <penguin42> DJones: Does your caps lock key work at that point, does an external USB keyboard work ?
[14:19] <basketballllll> Is there a way to make login screen show up on both monitors
[14:19] <penguin42> DJones: i.e. is the keyboard itself all happy, the only problem is the greeter?
[14:20] <DJones> penguin42: I've not tried an external keyboard, I'm not sure about caps lock, this laptop doesn't actually have caps lock/number lock lights
[14:21] <penguin42> DJones: OK, it's just there are a few different bugs  1) Some laptop keyboards just don't work at all 2) The whole machine has died 3) X has died  4) The greeter is broken
[14:21] <penguin42> DJones: basketballllll's problem is 4,  I suspect yours is as well but we get too many people saying 'the keyboard is broken' to differentiate between them
[14:22] <DJones> penguin42: I'll test next time, but I suspect its 4, its not 100% of the time, I only get it maybe 25% of the time
[14:22] <basketballllll> 4 what
[14:23] <bekks> "4) The greeter is broken"
[14:23] <basketballllll> Why is gnome getting so slow noe
[14:23] <basketballllll> Now
[14:25] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I've been having graphics issues with 14.04 KDE/Intel gpu, but using xrender and native gives fewer desktop effects, but the graphical artifacts have disappeared, so far.
[14:25] <penguin42> BluesKaj: This one is actually on OpenGL 2.0/Raster (this is my Intel box)
[14:26] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh, but has desktop effects disabled :-)
[14:26] <basketballllll> Penguin dobyou lnow why my laptop is now slos
[14:27] <BluesKaj> penguin42, maybe OpenGL 2 and raster will work here, havent tried that setting. I was using 3.1 and raster
[14:29] <basketballllll> !acting
[14:29] <minimec> BluesKaj: With 14.04 I get some 'flickering' sometimes with vmware images. I have that with unity, gnome3, or e17 sessions. I guess it's a xorg problem.
[14:30] <basketballllll> Omfg why is my laptop so slow
[14:31] <penguin42> basketballllll: Spec of your laptop please; CPU/RAM/Graphics card
[14:31] <minimec> BluesKaj: ... on a Intel HD4000
[14:33] <basketballllll> Code to find out
[14:33] <BluesKaj> minimec, same gpu here, but windows on VB seems fine graphically, but i gave it as much gpu memory as possible and almost 3G RAM in the VB settings, but no flickering here
[14:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The KDE visual effects does seem to push stuff quite hard
[14:35] <basketballllll> Penguin how do i find out whatbis making my PC slow
[14:36] <penguin42> start by answering my previous question
[14:36] <basketballllll> I cant because when i open activities it closes
[14:37] <BluesKaj> penguin42, seems so, yeah.
[14:40] <minimec> basketballllll: I don't think it's a VM memory issue, as normally I can stop that behaviour by switching to the next desktop (and back). I think it's a 'layer issue' in fullscreen mode. Something I did not see in 13.10.
[14:40] <minimec> BluesKaj: I don't think it's a VM memory issue, as normally I can stop that behaviour by switching to the next desktop (and back). I think it's a 'layer issue' in fullscreen mode. Something I did not see in 13.10.
[14:47] <basketballllll> Penguin ram 1 gb graphics gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe
[14:48] <penguin42> basketballllll: OK, llvmpipe is always going to feel like drawing through treacle - what graphics card have you got?
[14:48] <basketballllll> I just said
[14:49] <penguin42> no you didn't
[14:50] <basketballllll> What xommand do i run in terminal
[14:50] <BluesKaj> basketballllll, lspci | grep VGA
[14:51] <basketballllll> Intel mobile 945 gm/ gms,943/940gm
[14:52] <basketballllll> Express intergrated graphics controler rev 03
[14:53] <penguin42> hmm, I hadn't expected a 945 to use gallium
[14:53] <penguin42> sorry, hadn't expected it to use llvmpipe
[14:57] <basketball> ffffdsdf
[14:58] <penguin42> basketball: if it's using llvmpipe something odd is happening I think
[14:59] <basketball> penguin42,  what do  do to fix it
[14:59] <penguin42> basketball: dpkg -l | grep intel
[15:00] <basketballlllll> ok
[15:00] <basketballlllll> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7062110/
[15:01] <penguin42> ok, that's good
[15:01] <penguin42> can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:02] <basketballlllll> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7062120/
[15:05] <penguin42> I don't see why that's using llvmpipe
[15:05] <basketballlllll> what is llvmpipe
[15:06] <penguin42> basketballlllll: It's a software 3d renderer from when the hardware can't do it
[15:06] <penguin42> basketballlllll: But your X logs show that it's got the driver, and your dpkg -l   show you've got the packages
[15:08] <basketballlllll> penguin42:  what do we do
[15:10] <penguin42> not sure
[15:10] <basketballlllll> .....
[15:10] <basketballlllll> what does that mean
[15:11] <basketballlllll> bekks: or minimec do you know
[15:12] <minimec> basketballlllll: Do I know what?
[15:12] <basketballlllll> penguin42:  i dont know how to describe this
[15:14] <thomas__> would urgently need help on this big: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331867
[15:15] <penguin42> I'd try #kde for that
[15:15] <bekks> thomas__: According to the bug report, there is no fix. did you submit to the bugreport already?
[15:15] <basketballlllll> penguin42:  can you tell minimec  what we were trying to fix
[15:15] <penguin42> minimec: can read scrollback
[15:15] <thomas__> well just that i am affected too
[15:16] <thomas__> all the data is already there
[15:16] <basketballlllll> minimec: please read scrollback
[15:16] <thomas__> bekks: is tehre any way to downgrade to kde 4.12.2 on trusty?
[15:16] <penguin42> thomas__: It sounds like they changed the database layout at some point
[15:16] <thomas__> I KNOW ;)
[15:16] <thomas__> i have onl ytwo  options:
[15:16] <thomas__> 1) downgrade to kde 4.12.2
[15:17] <thomas__> 2) get the database migrated manually
[15:17] <thomas__> I am not afraid of any of those two but woul dneed a littl ehelping hand on them
[15:17] <penguin42> thomas__: I think a 3rd would be to install a VM with an older kde
[15:17] <thomas__> akonadi group is totally silent
[15:18] <thomas__> hmmm not an option its my productive linux box (and yes i know i shouldnt have updated to beta1, but i upgraded on three test machines before and all worked well there)
[15:18] <penguin42> thomas__: Oh yeh, but it might let you at least get to your mail while you figure it out
[15:18] <minimec> penguin42: basketballlllll: Ok... I took the time... ;) My guess is, that your dual screen setup is 'bigger' than the maximal resolution of your Intel 945. Therefore it changes to software rendering (llvmpipe). If my guess is true, you should not have that problem using only one screen.
[15:19] <bekks> thomas__: And why is "its my productive linux box" a reason for "a vm is not an option"?
[15:19] <thomas__> didnt expect 4.12.3 to be installed when it says 4.12.2 in the pages
[15:19] <penguin42> minimec: Yeh I think that's possible; I seem to remember there's a maximum horizontal width on Intel GPUs
[15:19] <thomas__> hmm to run linux just to have on it a vm that runs linux ...
[15:19] <thomas__> any way of downgrading to 4.12.2?
[15:19] <penguin42> thomas__: I don't think you can downgrade the KDE
[15:19] <penguin42> thomas__: There might be a way to backup the mails and reimport them
[15:19] <basketballlllll> minimec:  i want to use both screens though
[15:20] <penguin42> basketballlllll: Test the theory though - does it stop using llvmpipe if you switch down to one monitor (and reboot)
[15:20] <thomas__> akonadiserver is dying on startup so accessing the data will be troublesome
[15:20] <bekks> thomas__: Uninstall all KDE packages and reinstall the version you want. I suspect you have a backup from before upgrading.
[15:20] <thomas__> the data is fine
[15:20] <thomas__> its just that i dunno how to install 4.12.2 on trusty
[15:20] <penguin42> thomas__: Right, but if you can create a VM with the older KDE, do an export from that, then import it
[15:20] <thomas__> are there any repso for kde 4.12.2?
[15:21] <thomas__> penguin42: hmm jepp seems to be an option
[15:21] <thomas__> but its about 6-7 GB of pim data
[15:21] <thomas__> so i am a little bit shy on this :)
[15:22] <bekks> thomas__: Then why did you upgrade? :P
[15:22] <thomas__> :) i tried it on three test machines before and there all worked well
[15:23] <penguin42> thomas__: Except the one with your mail :-)
[15:23] <thomas__> OF COURSE ;)
[15:23] <penguin42> thomas__: Anyway, if you can get your VM running at least you can get yourself working while you give the akonadi guys a chance to reply, even if you don't do hte import trick
[15:23] <thomas__> does anyone have a contact to any akonadi dev?
[15:24] <penguin42> other than reporting a bug where mine died....
[15:24] <penguin42> you know, the menus in window title bars work nicely
[15:25] <basketballllllll> ok i rebooted how do i test
[15:25] <basketballllllll> .
[15:25] <penguin42> basketballllllll: Does it still say llvmpipe?
[15:26] <basketballllllll> graphics Intel® 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2
[15:27] <penguin42> ah there you go - that's what you want
[15:27] <thomas__> @penguin42: Thanx for your support
[15:27] <basketballllllll> but i need both screens
[15:27] <penguin42> basketballllllll: OK, I know this suggestion is going to sound a bit weird....but
[15:28] <penguin42> basketballllllll: boot with your other monitor plugged in, go into the display configuration and put it vertically underneath the other monitor rather than to the side, try and reboot and see what it says
[15:28] <basketballllllll> ............
[15:28] <basketballllllll> ok but i cant keep it like that
[15:29] <Daekdroom> penguin42, basketballllllll have you both ever considered his IGP might not support the resolution necessary for having both monitors?
[15:29] <minimec> penguin42: basketballllllll: Maximum resolution of the i945 (intel i950 series) is '2048x1536' according to this... http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/
[15:29] <penguin42> minimec: Yeh
[15:29] <Daekdroom> That ^
[15:29] <penguin42> basketballllllll: I ran them on my old laptop above each other like that for a while
[15:30] <penguin42> basketballllllll: Other than vertical stacking (which might work depending on your sizes) is to use another desktop rather than gnome3 that doesn't need so much GL
[15:31] <Daekdroom> He should be fine using metacity - without - compositing.
[15:31] <penguin42> nod
[15:31] <Daekdroom> The limit he's facing is actually tied to maximum texture size, I think.
[15:31] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Can you do that on Gnome3?
[15:31] <basketballllllll> would unity work
[15:32] <Daekdroom> Unity wouldn't work.
[15:32] <penguin42> unity does work with llvmpipe - it's still not going to feel great, although it's not as bad as it used to be
[15:32] <Daekdroom> GNOME 3 can't use metacity. GNOME Flashback can, though.
[15:32] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It works in a VM with llvmpipe
[15:32] <Daekdroom> penguin42, but it wouldn't use his IGP
[15:33] <penguin42> basketballllllll: You could install mate-desktop (which is in Trusty) - will give you a good old Gnome2 desktop - nice and fast on old hardware
[15:33] <penguin42> basketballllllll: Or KDE in xrender mode
[15:35] <Daekdroom> Unity in llvmpipe works fine on my Phenom II X4 820.
[15:35] <Daekdroom> These days I was using it and only noticed it when I tried to launch a game. There are subtle differences such as not as many transparencies, though.
[15:36] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh it's ok in my vm now, it used to be awful though
[15:36] <basketballllll> My laptop is rebooting what can i install that
[15:37] <basketballllll> Looks like gnome and unity
[15:41] <basketballllllll> penguin42:   i am back
[15:42] <basketballllllll> what can i install
[15:42] <penguin42> mate, kde, xvwm
[15:42] <basketballllllll> which one looks nicest
[15:43] <pietro10> ok, is THIS documented?
[15:43] <pietro10> er, known?
[15:43] <penguin42> ah that's up to you; KDE looks nice IMHO and is very configurable
[15:43] <penguin42> pietro10: THIS?
[15:43] <pietro10> $ VARIABLE= -L /usr(tab)
[15:43] <pietro10> complete: usage: complete [-abcdefgjksuv] [-pr] [-DE] [-o option] [-A action] [-G globpat] [-W wordlist]  [-F function] [-C command] [-X filterpat] [-P prefix] [-S suffix] [name ...]
[15:43] <pietro10> er before that: bash: complete: -L: invalid option
[15:43] <basketballllllll> penguin ok how do i uninstall unity
[15:43] <pietro10> it seems a recent update has completely broken tab complete
[15:43] <pietro10> a few days ago I was asking about a smaller problem
[15:43] <penguin42> pietro10: Tab complete seems OK here
[15:44] <pietro10> huh.
[15:44] <pietro10> then I'll need to investigate
[15:44] <penguin42> pietro10: Got a specific case?
[15:45] <pietro10> another one
[15:45] <pietro10> if I start with ~/ I can only complete directory names, not files
[15:45] <basketballllllll> minimec:  how do i unistall the unity we installed yesterday
[15:45] <bekks> apt-get purge
[15:46] <basketballllllll> apt-get purge what
[15:46] <pietro10> there was one more weird situatio nbut I forget what it is
[15:47] <minimec> basketballllllll: you don't really need to. It's just an optioon for your login screen. If you want to remove that option you just 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop'
[15:47] <Daekdroom> minimec, basketballllll actually ubuntu-desktop is a good package to have installed in case of updates.
[15:48] <Daekdroom> You might mean 'ubuntu-session'
[15:48] <minimec> Daekdroom: basketballllllll: I agree
[15:48] <basketballllllll> will unity and gnome ever work with my monitors
[15:48] <basketballllllll> and how dp o install kde
[15:48] <Daekdroom> (heh, that is a hard-dependency of ubuntu-desktop; either way, it's ubuntu-session the package that places the Unity session in the login manager)
[15:49] <Daekdroom> basketballllll, GNOME Flashback might work with your monitors.
[15:49] <Daekdroom> GNOME 3 and Unity won't, unless you use llvmpipe, which might be slow.
[15:49] <basketballllllll> which looks best mate, kde, xvwm
[15:49] <basketballllllll> penguin42:  said kde
[15:57] <penguin42> basketballllll: KDE imho looks nice and lets you run with good cards or slow cards
[16:00] <basketballllllll> penguin42:  1 minute in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohhz91OTPY  he said kde is the slowest
[16:01] <penguin42> basketballllll: I don't care what he said
[16:01] <basketballllllll> is it ture
[16:02] <basketballllllll> penguin42: ^^
[16:02] <bekks> basketballllllll: We dont care about youtube videos.
[16:02] <penguin42> basketballllll: You asked for our advice, I gave it - if you don't like our advice, feel free to disregard it
[16:02] <bekks> Install the desktop you like.
[16:02] <basketballllllll> is it slow
[16:02] <HEROnymous> no, kde is the second fastest by some completely meaningless subjective standard that can never be measured or proven in any way.
[16:03] <HEROnymous> but in all seriousness, I've never had performance issues because of a window manager.
[16:05] <penguin42> HEROnymous: KDE will use every bit of GL if you configure it too, and will be all nice and fancy - so it can be slow; but it's also got loads of settings so you can make it pretty basic
[16:08] <HEROnymous> eh, I was running with pretty much max settings for quite some time on a geforce 210, which is a pretty amazingly powerless gpu.  ended up going to a geforce 650 for steam games though now that we can actually play real games ;)
[16:08] <basketballllllll> thank you for your opinions but kde looks too much like windows yuck
[16:09] <HEROnymous> kde looks how you want it to look
[16:10] <HEROnymous> there's no reason not to just try stuff until you find what you like though.  just use gdm or kdm and there'll be a selector at login time for which window manager you want to use.
[16:16] <basketballllllll> HEROnymous:  penguin42  minimec  and bekks  how does installing kde help with the monitors
[16:17] <bekks> basketballllllll: It was your idea to install kde.
[16:17] <bekks> We dont care about the desktop you are using.
[16:17] <basketballllllll> no penguin42  and minimec  said it would help with my monitor
[16:17] <basketballllllll> and graphics card
[16:18] <bekks> They did not say that.
[16:18] <basketballllllll> yes they did
[16:18] <thomas__> kindergardden?
[16:18] <minimec> basketballllllll: I never used KDE. So that's wasn't me... ;) I am using e17 for all my dual screen setups. But e17 has some 'learning curve'...
[16:19] <BluesKaj> bekks, speak for yourself, I do care what ppl run especially when they need help, but in this case your frustration with this problem is understandable :)
[16:20] <penguin42> minimec: 'e' used to be the example for slow window managers - but that was 20 years ago
[16:20] <bekks> BluesKaj: Well, he asked about a good choice of desktop environment earlier - in terms of "how fast is it", etc. - and thats pretty uninteresting for the most of us, since "how fast is is" does not solve problems at all.
[16:20] <bekks> BluesKaj: ;)
[16:20] <basketballllllll> whatever ill leave you guys alone
[16:20] <BluesKaj> bekks, no kidding :)
[16:20] <basketballllllll>    /part #ubuntu+1
[16:21] <basketballllllll>   /part #ubuntu+1
[16:21] <penguin42> bekks: Well I want 'not annoyingly slow'
[16:21] <basketballllllll> part dumb thing
[16:22] <BluesKaj> basketballllllll, recommend you try several desktops, asking how fast they are depends on your hardware etc, so do some research before asking unaswerable questions
[16:22] <minimec> penguin42: Well.. I use it for about maybe 8 years, and have never changed my setup since (only minor changes). e17 is treating my screens as totally independent desktops. That is so cool... ;)
[16:22] <HEROnymous> penguin42, I miss afterstep.  :(
[16:24] <basketballllll> Blues after i installed kde why is my bootloader saying i have kubuntu installed not ubuntu
[16:24] <bekks> 4because you install kubuntu-desktop
[16:25] <basketballllll> So i cant get support in #ubuntu now i have to go to #kubuntu
[16:26] <bekks> After April, you get support in #ubuntu as well.
[16:26] <bekks> Until then, you et support in here, when using 14.04
[16:26] <bekks> *get
[16:26] <basketballllll> No i have kububtu now
[16:26] <bekks> And the version is 14.04
[16:26] <bekks> So you get support in here, before the official release of 14.04
[16:26] <HEROnymous> eh, my splash screen says kubuntu as well, but I always install regular ubuntu and then put kde on it after the fact, so that splash screen is part of a pkg somewhere.
[16:27] <penguin42> don't worry about the K
[16:27] <BluesKaj> basketballllll, kubuntu is kde installed on ubuntu core
[16:28] <basketballllll> Why does it say my battery is broken
[16:29] <HEROnymous> maybe your battery is broken.
[16:29] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:30] <basketballllll> But it isnt
[16:30] <bekks> How do you know?
[16:30] <basketballllll> It works in windows and gnome
[16:31] <bekks> Just because Windows does not tell you it is broken? :)
[16:32] <penguin42> it's probably just a screwup in the sensing somewhere
[16:42] <basketballllllll> it installed
[16:57] <basketballllll> Shoot what was the code to install kde from terminal
[16:58] <basketballllll> Never mind
[17:07] <basketballllll> How do i install linux mint
[17:08] <k1l> !mint | basketballllll
[17:08] <pietro10> right
[17:09] <pietro10> linux mint is not a piece of software, but rather another distribution
[17:09] <basketballllll> If i install linux mint will my graphics card support two monitors
[17:09] <k1l> basketballllll: best is to ask the mint support. they know best about their software.
[17:10] <pietro10> I think you're very confused as to what linux mint is
[17:10] <pietro10> linux mint is another linux distribution, like ubuntu, and is based oin ubuntu
[17:10] <pietro10> I don't think the hardware support differs
[17:10] <pietro10> a better question is "how do I install the proprietary drivers needed ot make my graphics card work on Linux?"
[17:10] <pietro10> and for ubuntu that is run the alternative drivers program
[17:10] <k1l> pietro10: they use other kernels and different drivers. so that can be other support than ubuntu
[17:11] <pietro10> k1l: ok
[17:11] <pietro10> basketballllll: you're on command line; the command is either jockey-gtk or jockey-kde or jockey-cli if all else fails
[17:11] <k1l> but just use mint because i dont know how to install the prop. driver, is not the right solution. yes
[17:12] <pietro10> (k1l: I haven't noticed any odd hardware differneces when I used mint; but frankly I'm so glad I'm not using mint anymore =p )
[17:15] <penguin42> basketballllll: No, mint won't help - it's a hardware limitation of your graphics chip
[17:16] <penguin42> basketballllll: It can't do GL when there are more than 2048 pixels horizontally - we had this discussion about 3 hours ago
[17:16] <pietro10> oh
[17:16] <pietro10> welp
[17:16] <basketballllll> So do i need a new graphics card
[17:16] <penguin42> basketballllll: You need to start reading what people tell you
[17:23] <basketballllll> Why is all of this even happening
[17:24] <ikonia> basketballllll: honeslty - most of your problems are down to your lack of experience / knowledge and using an unstable product coupled with that
[17:24] <ikonia> that's the truth
[17:25] <penguin42> ikonia: It would have helped if something somewhere had given the reason for disabling GL
[17:26] <penguin42> ikonia: The knowledge of the Intel only doing 2k wide GL is pretty obscure, nothing at all warned him
[17:27] <basketballllll> Should I go back to 13.10
[17:27] <penguin42> no, won't help
[17:27] <ikonia> penguin42: I didn't know about it until I saw it your first mention of it earlier
[17:27] <Daekdroom> It won't solve your problem.
[17:28] <penguin42> ikonia: Exactly, I'd hit it years ago - but I think it was minimec who 1st suggested it in this case; but hth is a normal user supposed to know why their machine feels like it's working through treacle
[17:28] <basketballllll> Now it wont even boot it is stuck on the foot with 3 dots
[17:29] <ikonia> penguin42: that specific issue is not the norm, for sure, but the 2000+ lines of problems basketballllll is having / other issues are just lack of experience
[17:29] <penguin42> ikonia: Yeh
[17:30] <minimec> penguin42: Well when you started to mention the llvm driver for an intel card... That got me thinking...
[17:30] <penguin42> nod
[17:30] <basketballllll> Sorry that i am just starting to learn
[17:31] <penguin42> minimec: For some time I got used to moving the arrow down when I wanted to move to the screen across - it's a bit weird :-)
[17:31] <pietro10> there's nothing wrong with starting to learn; just listen and you will
[17:31] <penguin42> minimec: Back years ago it wouldn't even run the Intel driver with 2 monitors across
[17:31] <basketballllll> Last question is there a way to faxtory reset
[17:33] <minimec> penguin42: Yeah intel was crappy, before they started the i3/5/7 series CPU, at least for dual screen.
[17:33] <minimec> penguin42: I mean the GPU part of it...
[17:37] <basketballllll> My laptop is stuck on the foot with the 3 dots and i can only login with crl alt f1
[17:45] <basketballllll> I am rrinstalling 13.10
[17:46] <basketballllll> My graphic card worked there
[18:38] <subz3r0> hi
[18:38] <subz3r0> did anyone of you test vidalia with 14.04?
[18:39]  * penguin42 never heard of it
[18:39] <subz3r0> ahh hi penguin42. you again :)
[18:39] <subz3r0> got it fixed with the encryption issue... used the live cd and a terminal to do it
[18:39] <subz3r0> there was no other way around sadly...
[18:40] <penguin42> yeh that's a pain
[18:40] <subz3r0> vidalia is a frontend for tor
[18:40] <subz3r0> just a gui where you can control tor with it
[18:41] <subz3r0> "GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:"
[18:41] <subz3r0> "An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient,...."
[18:41] <subz3r0> seems like apparmor doesnt like it anymore
[18:42] <subz3r0> penguin42: youre maybe using pidgin? seems like i found another bug
[18:42] <penguin42> oh oh, don't break my pidgin
[18:42] <subz3r0> just checked with ps x for the vidalia pid to kill it and found this
[18:43] <subz3r0> 3215 ?        Z      0:00 [pidgin] <defunct>
[18:43] <subz3r0> three times
[18:43] <subz3r0> never happend with 12.04
[18:43] <penguin42> hmm, yes I have 4 defunct pidgins
[18:44] <penguin42> that's not a big issue; something not cleaning up
[18:44] <subz3r0> yeah i know. but it should not happen
[18:44] <subz3r0> can you write a ticket at bugtracker?
[18:45] <penguin42> yes, you can
[18:45] <subz3r0> nope i can't ;)
[18:45] <subz3r0> lost my login :P
[18:45] <subz3r0> but well... since i found some other bugs... time to register again it seems
[18:46] <penguin42> subz3r0: You should be able to ask it to send me your password
[18:46] <subz3r0> would be nice if you can fill the ticket... i would reply then to confirm that issue
[18:46] <subz3r0> send you my passwort? why should i? :P
[18:46] <penguin42> sorry, send you a new password
[18:46] <subz3r0> nvm... understood what you said ;)
[18:46] <subz3r0> hehe
[18:46] <subz3r0> that wont work. since i dont have this email anymore
[18:47] <penguin42> oh well, yeh
[18:58] <subz3r0> and another bug it seems :>
[18:58] <subz3r0> cant change the transparency of a terminal like in 12.04 before
[19:14] <jklfjkfjfdjdkdf> penguin42:  bekks  and minimec  i am soory for being a pain this morning
[19:18] <adamcunnington> Hi, will the update from 12.04 to 14.04 be relatively simple? Will I be able to do that in terminal?
[19:19] <bekks> adamcunnington: Yes. Yes.
[19:19] <adamcunnington> bekks: great cheers
[19:22] <subz3r0> would be: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:22] <subz3r0> :)
[19:25] <basketball> how do i install the ubuntu toyuch emulator
[19:28] <bekks> adamcunnington: apt-get will not update one release to another. Once 14.04 is released, you have to use do-release-upgrade
[19:29] <basketball> bekks:  do you know how to install the ubuntu touch emulator
[19:29] <basketball> do you have a link
[19:29] <bekks> basketball: NO.
[19:29] <bekks> "No." even.
[19:29] <basketball> OK THANK YOU
[19:29] <bekks> basketball: Yeah, blame it on my shift key :)
[19:31] <basketball> whops pressed the caps lock button
[19:31] <adamcunnington> bekks: it's as simple as 1 command?! mind blown.
[19:31] <bekks> adamcunnington: Yeah.
[19:31] <adamcunnington> that's actually awesome
[19:31] <basketball> bekks:  what is adamcunnington  trying to do
[19:32] <adamcunnington> i was expecting to do a reinstall but then i caught wind that the transition from .04 to .04 is simples and now i'm like BOOOM!
[19:32] <bekks> basketball: How about just asking him?
[19:32] <basketball> adamcunnington:  what is bekks  helping you with
[19:32] <adamcunnington> basketball: lol nosiest question ever ;)
[19:32] <bekks> adamcunnington: The upgrade from one LTS release to the next is that easy. 11.04 to 13.04 would not have worked like that.
[19:32] <adamcunnington> basketball: nothing per se, was just asking about upgrade to 14.04 from 12.04 and if it would be simple - but got my answers :)
[19:33] <adamcunnington> bekks: presumably just because the developers put time in making that work for LTS versions? or is it built in from the ground upward with those versions?
[19:34] <adamcunnington> bekks: and it will retain all apps, including things as core as like desktop environment?
[19:34] <bekks> adamcunnington: No. Release updates from LTS to LTS are supported. Leaving out one or more releases for upgrading "normal" versions is not supported.
[19:34] <adamcunnington> bekks: yea, i know that - was more talking about the means in which that was possible
[19:35] <basketball> adamcunnington:  if you are just upgrading you will keep apps if you fresh install you will need to back up
[19:36] <adamcunnington> basketball: is there much benefits from a fresh install over upgrading?
[19:36] <adamcunnington> many benefits* sorry
[19:36] <bekks> adamcunnington: Depends on your personal setup.
[19:37] <basketball> adamcunnington:  i always fresh install as over the 6 months that i have the os i save a bunch of usless crap
[19:37] <basketball> i keep all of my important stuff in dropbox
[19:39] <adamcunnington> basketball: yea, i've not got any crap on this current install
[19:40] <basketball> then upgrade should be fine
[19:52] <basketball> hey bekks  are you running daily or beta
[19:53] <bekks> basketball: I am running 12.04 and 14.04
[19:53] <basketball> 14.04 beta or daily
[19:53] <bekks> Doesnt matter.
[19:53] <basketball> yes
[19:53] <basketball> which one
[19:54] <bekks> Because after one single update you are on "daily".
[19:54] <bekks> Because there are updates - daily.
[19:54] <bekks> You are on daily always, when using updates.
[19:54] <basketball> so downloading beta 1 and daily are the same thing
[19:54] <bekks> No.
[19:54] <bekks> < bekks> Because after one single update you are on "daily".
[19:55] <basketball> after updating they are the same
[19:56] <bekks> Thats what I told you.
[19:56] <basketball> then why do they make them different downloads
[19:57] <bekks> Because there is the requirement of "non-daily-releases".
[19:57] <basketball> requirementt?
[19:57] <bekks> Requirement. Yes.
[19:57] <lordievader> basketball: The daily images are respun everyday, while the beta's and the alpha's are respun until their release.
[19:58] <bekks> Ubuntu is not a rolling release distro, so there is the requirement of specific releases besides "daily".
[19:58] <basketball> oh thank you
[19:58] <basketball> but who makes them do it
[19:58] <basketball> like what happens if they dont
[19:59] <bekks> "make them do it" - Make whom do what?
[20:00] <penguin42> basketball: There is a release team
[20:00] <penguin42> basketball: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[20:46] <basketball> Beldar:  or penguin42  is pipelight supported nin 14.04
[20:47] <subz3r0> basketball: http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-may-come-with-pipelight-support/
[20:49] <basketball> how do i make numlockx always start using gnome 3 and gdm
[20:50] <subz3r0> you mean at the login page?
[20:50] <basketball> yes
[20:51] <subz3r0> does 14.04 use gdm again?
[20:51] <subz3r0> thought it will be light dm again?
[20:54] <Daekdroom> subz3r0, it's lightdm.
[20:54] <Daekdroom> But gdm is still installable, as it was since the lightdm transition.
[20:54] <subz3r0> Daekdroom: thanks, that was my thought too
[20:55] <Daekdroom> *it has been
[20:55] <subz3r0> basketball: you could try to install "numlockx"
[20:55] <subz3r0> or edit: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[20:55] <subz3r0> and change line to: greeter-setup-script=/usr/bin/numlockx on
[20:55] <subz3r0> ofc make backups before
[20:56] <subz3r0> let me know please if it worked
[20:57] <basketball> that file is blank because i dont use lightdm i use gdm
[20:58] <subz3r0> for gdm: /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[20:58] <subz3r0> which numlockx >/dev/null && numlockx on
[20:58] <subz3r0> under the first line
[20:58] <subz3r0> source: ubuntuusers wiki :>
[20:59] <basketball> ok what do i do in that dile
[20:59] <basketball> file
[21:00] <subz3r0> add the line i gave you under the first line
[21:00] <basketball> do i type the which
[21:01] <subz3r0> yes
[21:03] <subz3r0> btw. does anyone know what to search for when i want to change this grey screen where i have to enter my password?
[21:04] <subz3r0> i mean the screen which will show up when you locked the screen and push it backup with the mouse
[21:12] <basketball> how do i configure the size of favorite icons in gnome 3
[21:12] <basketball> bekks:  there^^
[21:32] <basketball> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supybot/+bug/1290124
[22:58] <nathanesau1> i installed ubuntu 14.04 in a VM on windows , but can't view the whole desktop. any ideas how to adjust the resolution?
[23:33] <nathanesau1> im trying to install ubuntu 14.04. however, it doesn't give me the option to install alongside windows like in previous distros. it says it will replace windows 8. suggestions?
[23:35] <bblindy> Hi nathanesau1, which version are you downloading? Gnome? Unity? Server?
[23:36] <nathanesau1> ubuntu -gnome
[23:36] <nathanesau1> im currently trying out the live cd.
[23:37] <bblindy> Did you boot into the CD, or are you attempting the install through windows?
[23:38] <nathanesau1> i booted into cd.
[23:38] <bblindy> I wonder if it'll give you the same option of you attempt via windows.
[23:38] <bblindy> *if you
[23:40] <Beldar> nathanesau1, This a W8 and uefi/gpt?
[23:40] <nathanesau1> windows 8. not uefi though. i booted live cd in SATA mode
[23:41] <Beldar> nathanesau1, You installed this W8 and you know it's a msdos partition table?
[23:42] <nathanesau1> yes.
[23:42] <nathanesau1> if i shrink the partition with gparted, and then make another partition for ubuntu, can i install on the new partition
[23:42] <nathanesau1> and then use grub to choose which os to boot to
[23:43] <Beldar> nathanesau1, I would resize with the W8 partitioner, leaving a unallocated for ubuntu, be sure to reboot the windows after resizing.
[23:44] <Beldar> I assume you are aware of msdos tables and types and amounts of partitions
[23:45] <nathanesau1> ok should i just leave the space unallocated? and then 14.04 installation which create a NTFS or whatever partition out of the free space?
[23:45] <nathanesau1> *installation will create
[23:45] <Beldar> nathanesau1, So why are you using a development?
[23:45] <nathanesau1> i wanted to try out gnome
[23:46] <nathanesau1> and apparently you can install the development version and then just keep updating it
[23:46] <Beldar> nathanesau1, This has not been released, is all, not a good start for trying out is all.
[23:46] <nathanesau1> ok ill wait until april to install then
[23:47] <Beldar> nathanesau1, You could install 13.10, or 12.04 both will upgrade to 14.04.
[23:47] <nathanesau1> but those releases don't support gnome 3?
[23:47] <Beldar> nathanesau1, They do.
[23:47] <nathanesau1> ok thanks for the help
[23:48] <Beldar> They are using gnome 3


[20:22] <dupondje> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/2/8/246 -> could this small patch be added to Precise kernel. Just hit that 'bug' :)
[22:01] <gordonjcp> hi
[22:01] <gordonjcp> I'm having a problem when I eject USB drives, where I can no longer access the drive as a block device
[22:01] <gordonjcp> dmesg shows the following:
[22:01] <gordonjcp> sdb: detected capacity change from<PHONE_NUMBER> to 0
[22:02] <gordonjcp> what exactly is going on when I eject in Ubuntu, and how can I prevent it doing this without having to reboot into Arch every time I want to write to a USB drive?
[22:03] <RAOF> Why are you ejecting it?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> because I don't want the filesystem mounted
[22:04] <JanC> you can unmount it...  ☺
[22:04] <gordonjcp> yes, but then it stops working, as I just said
[22:04] <JanC> unmount != eject
[22:05] <gordonjcp> same thing
[22:05] <JanC> eject makes it invisible until you remove it & plug it back in
[22:05] <gordonjcp> so does umount
[22:05] <JanC> unmount does not do that
[22:05] <JanC> eject is on a lower level
[22:06] <gordonjcp> I've just tried it; umount does the same thing as eject, or right-click and "Safely Remove..." from the desktop
[22:06] <JanC> I mount/unmount USB disks all the time...
[22:06] <JanC> or partitions on them
[22:06] <gordonjcp> in 11.10?
[22:07] <JanC> yes
[22:07] <gordonjcp> hm, well it's not working here
[22:08] <JanC> eject removes the block device, so naturally you can't (easily) remount it then, but umount shouldn't do that (AFAIK)
[22:09] <gordonjcp> it's definitely removing the block device...
[22:09] <gordonjcp> you're starting to make me wonder if someone has aliased umount to eject, just to annyo me
[22:09] <gordonjcp> *annoy


[05:05] <trender> (.)(.)
[05:05] <trender>   __
[05:27] <trender> morning people rise and shine
[05:42] <trender> mornin kilos
[05:42] <Kilos> morning trender
[05:42] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:42] <trender> os i wonder when our banks are gonna collapse
[05:43] <trender> it looks like we are gonna go back to gold and silver coins
[06:13] <Squirm> morning
[06:13] <Squirm> I think
[06:14] <Squirm> least I assume so
[06:14] <Squirm> though it's dark outside
[06:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm looks like big rain coming
[06:15] <Kilos> hope some reaches us
[06:15] <Kilos> need lotsa water here or gonna be a bad winter
[06:21] <Squirm> snowed on the berg yesterday
[06:49] <Squirm> Kilos: it rained yesterday. it's been raining since I woke up
[06:49] <Squirm> still is
[06:50] <Kilos> just had a few drops here just now
[06:50] <Kilos> hi henkj
[06:50] <henkj> hi kilos
[07:03] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:16] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[08:22] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 zeref
[08:22] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos, Tinuva
[08:23] <Vince-0> busy trolling #linux on ShadowFire
[08:25] <skillpiG> Ohai
[08:25] <Vince-0> I would like to get all the Linux type peeps in one place - there is no "master" mail-list for Linux in ZA is there?
[08:25]  * skillpiG pokes Tinuva
[08:25] <Vince-0> hi skillpiG
[08:26] <Vince-0> Kilos, look!Found more people
[08:26] <skillpiG> I will make you regret that
[08:26] <skillpiG> :p
[08:26] <Kilos> ohi Tinuva welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:26] <skillpiG> I have a natural effect on people
[08:26] <skillpiG> more like, digital.
[08:27] <Kilos> hi skillpiG welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:27] <Vince-0> skillpiG, tell your friends - we need to grow the ZA Linux community
[08:27] <Kilos> tell us about yourselvews
[08:28] <Kilos> yourselves as well
[08:28] <Kilos> yes Vince-0
[08:28] <skillpiG> I have no friends
[08:28] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[08:28] <skillpiG> don't even know why Tinuva is talking to me
[08:29] <Kilos> thats the mailing list
[08:30] <Vince-0> Kilos, I'm on the ubuntu-za list but can it be called the go to place for Linux for ZA
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <Kilos> if they dont push ubuntu to one side i dont see why not
[08:31] <Kilos> inetpro: what you think?
[08:32] <Kilos> everyone linux is welcome here so i dont see that the list should not be a part of the US
[08:32] <Kilos> often linux peeps can help ubuntu users
[08:33] <Vince-0> yep
[08:34] <Kilos> lets just hear what the pro and fly say but i feel they are welcome
[08:34] <Kilos> but then they must say morning to me when i greet inna morn
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <Vince-0> ha
[08:35] <Kilos> are they from your lug Vince-0
[08:35] <Kilos> ?
[08:36] <skillpiG> good day Kilos
[08:39] <Vince-0> Kilos, nope - just joined #linux on ShadowFire and started rambling
[08:39] <skillpiG> made 7 people upset
[08:39] <tonberryE352> try to ignite a vim/emacs flamewar
[08:39] <skillpiG> this will start an epic e-battle
[08:39] <skillpiG> SHADOWFIRE vs FREENODE
[08:40] <Vince-0> freenode wins,
[08:41] <Vince-0> for a global context anyways
[08:41] <Kilos> but no wars here, we are a peaceful channel
[08:42] <inetpro> hehe Kilos, you starting a war again?
[08:42] <Kilos> no inetpro read about the list
[08:42] <inetpro> :-)
[08:42] <Kilos> with Vince-0 s suggestion we will grow methinks
[08:43] <inetpro> I must be honest I don't think ubuntu-za is the place for all linux peeps, there are lots of them who can't stand ubuntu
[08:44] <Vince-0> inetpro, that is very true but it doesn't help to be at all exclusive in a smaller community (ZA)
[08:44] <tonberryE352> well us "dumb ubuntu users" need a channel somewhere
[08:44] <inetpro> lots of more generic linux stuff used to be discussed on the Gauteng Linux User Group (GLUG) mailing lists
[08:44] <Vince-0> I'm on the various LUG mail-lists
[08:45] <Vince-0> I'm making a local communities page on the DBNLUG site to list all the channels of comms
[08:45] <Vince-0> clugs got some good links
[08:45] <inetpro> I'm mnot trying to make ubuntu-za exclusive at all but I just think we should try as much as possible to keep focussed on stuff that works on Ubuntu
[08:47] <inetpro> while the fact that it's a .za forum does makes it a bit broader than just a regional based user group
[08:48] <inetpro> I don't have a problem with generic linux discussions, but I'm not the boss here
[08:48] <Vince-0> true, context here is important as it is with the LUGs - we've chatted about this context thing here before
[08:49] <Vince-0> I'd just like to see everyone involved with *nix, FLOSS in one place so there might be a big conference type event
[08:49] <Vince-0> all I see is TechEd - yawn
[08:50] <inetpro> good to see some activity here
[08:50] <inetpro> not sure whether we'll ever have a huge croud in here at once
[08:50] <inetpro> not everyone uses IRC
[08:50] <skillpiG> everyone that matters use IRC
[08:51] <Vince-0> no, but at least an association - Email is ubiquitous
[08:51] <skillpiG> and that is law.
[08:52] <Vince-0> oh, scale-conf is on right now but I couldn't get there
[08:52] <inetpro> ubiquitous is a big word, Kiloswat beteken dit?
[08:52] <inetpro> Maaz: define ubiquitous
[08:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Ubiquitous \U*biq"ui*tous\ ([-u]*b[i^]k"w[i^]*t[u^]s), a. [See {Ubiquity}.] Existing or being everywhere, or in all places, at the same time; omnipresent. -- {U*biq"ui*tous*ly}, adv. [1913 Webster]  In this sense is he ubiquitous.          --R. D. Hitchcock. [1913 Webster], ubiquitous adj 1: being present everywhere at once [syn: {omnipresent},
[08:52] <Maaz> {ubiquitous}]
[08:52] <Vince-0> meer mense gebruik dit as IRC
[08:52] <inetpro> ahh... true
[08:54] <inetpro> the sad reality is that with social media we just have way to many distractions these days
[08:54]  * Vince-0 busy reading past the 3rd page of Google search results for Linux in pages for South Africa
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz: define ubiquity
[08:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Ubiquity \U*biq"ui*ty\ ([-u]*b[i^]k"w[i^]*t[y^]), n. [L. ubique everywhere, fr. ubi where, perhaps for cubi, quobi (cf. alicubi anywhere), and if so akin to E. who: cf. F. ubiquit['e].] 1. Existence everywhere, or in all places, at the same time; omnipresence; as, the ubiquity of God is not disputed by those who admit his existence. [1913 Webster]  The arms
[08:54] <Maaz> of Rome . . . were impeded by . . . the wide spaces to be traversed and the ubiquity of t…
[08:54] <Vince-0> ya, social usually means brain rot if you stare at it long enough
[08:55]  * inetpro gets way to many emails per day, so tend to stay away from huge email discussions
[08:55] <Vince-0> mail-lists tend to be a bit clumsy especially with digest subject headers
[08:56] <inetpro> true
[08:56] <tumbleweed> digets are awful
[08:56] <tumbleweed> you just want to filter mailing lists into folders, and use a decent e-mail client
[08:56] <tumbleweed> don't be afraid of getting thousands of e-mail a day
[08:56] <Vince-0> but what are the options? A myBB forum?: busy looking at Linux forum on mybroadband
[08:57] <tumbleweed> forms are horrible because you have to go and look at them
[08:57] <skillpiG> tumbleweed
[08:57]  * inetpro agrees with tumbleweed
[08:57] <skillpiG> I remember that name
[08:57] <skillpiG> perhaps in a mumble channel, with demonik
[08:58] <tumbleweed> ohi
[09:00] <Kilos> ha inetpro ctrl+R is really helpful hey?
[09:00] <Kilos> ty
[09:01] <tumbleweed> skillpiG: naah, never used mumble in my life
[09:01] <skillpiG> I don't believe you
[09:01] <skillpiG> I will greet you as the same person that was on mumble
[09:02] <inetpro> Vince-0: what are you planning to achieve by having all Linux type peeps in one place?
[09:02] <skillpiG> zombie nodes
[09:02] <skillpiG> DDoS the government
[09:02] <inetpro> :-)
[09:03] <inetpro> ai!
[09:04] <tonberryE352> good luck with that...
[09:05] <Vince-0> inetpro, just a ZA Linux community entity - imagine there was a computer expo with a bit Linux contingent - geeks would need to know
[09:06] <skillpiG> talking about geeks
[09:06] <Vince-0> there seems to be very little corporate interest in any Linux community, which is a bit counter-intuitive for fostering open culture and all that
[09:06] <skillpiG> anyone here running an AMD piledriver with ubuntu ?
[09:07] <inetpro> Vince-0: I think it was with kmf at the helm of it we tried this with floss.pro
[09:07] <skillpiG> having some trouble with 12.10
[09:09] <Kilos> hmm... there was something about amd the other day here
[09:09] <Kilos> i cant scroll back so far
[09:10] <Vince-0> inetpro, what's kmf and floss.pro
[09:11] <Kilos> kmf is a nick and floss.pro is a channel on irc
[09:11] <inetpro> Vince-0: kmf = Karl Fisher who used to have hist own microblogging site running at http://floss.pro
[09:11] <Kilos> and a site methinks
[09:11] <inetpro> and in fact we still have the irc channel #floss.pro
[09:12] <Vince-0> ah yes, I looked at that before
[09:12] <inetpro> Vince-0: but not much happened there for a very long time
[09:13] <inetpro> even back then it became very clear to me that it will always be very difficult to get everyone talking on a single platform
[09:13] <inetpro> s/platform/medium/
[09:14] <inetpro> but obviously we should not give up trying
[09:19] <inetpro> Vince-0: most of those who were on floss.pro ended up just using twitter
[09:19] <Vince-0> social is never one platform
[09:20] <inetpro> the nice thing about using something like twitter is that you are free to talk about any subject
[09:21] <Vince-0> I check the Twit occasionally
[09:22] <Vince-0> I think a mail-list is the lowest common denominator
[09:22] <inetpro> always
[09:23] <inetpro> unfortunately that is still true
[09:23] <Vince-0> ey it's good enough for the Linux kernel devs
[09:24] <Vince-0> would be nice to have a sizable Linux contingent at something like Rage
[09:25] <Vince-0> does Rage overlook people with their own PCs and pirate software?
[09:26] <skillpiG> I believe so
[09:26] <skillpiG> I don't think they have the right to inspect people's software before allowing them in
[09:26] <skillpiG> could be a tedious process
[09:27] <skillpiG> and lose 90% of their league competitors
[09:28] <Vince-0> the alternative is have the pirate busters show up and start breaking people's games
[09:28] <Vince-0> and pr0n
[09:29] <skillpiG> haha
[09:29] <skillpiG> I rate, if you want to attend a LAN like rAge, you should go with a small - medium crowd of people playing the same game
[09:29] <skillpiG> to have fun with your mates etc
[09:29] <skillpiG> copying you can do at home
[09:30] <skillpiG> unless you go to fill up 10TB
[09:30] <skillpiG> I don't even know what you want to do with 10TB of movies and series :|
[09:30] <skillpiG> or the alternative is to go to rAge
[09:30] <skillpiG> to pick up those hot sponsor girls
[09:31] <Vince-0> ha, I'm sure they get sick of geeks hitting on them - the ratio is like 1000:1
[09:45] <Vince-0> busy reading about makululinux.com - from Mybroadband forums, which has a very active Linux sub-forum
[09:49] <skillpiG> saw that a while ago on newshost
[09:49] <skillpiG> looks like a nice idea
[09:51] <Vince-0> yep, and local too - the guy deserves some support and feedback
[09:52] <Kilos> Vince-0: how far can you scroll back
[09:52] <Kilos> there is a special ubuntu for amd i think the weed said
[09:53] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you looking for?
[09:53] <Kilos> skillpiG: having probs with 12.10 on a amd  inetpro
[09:54] <Vince-0> ha, Kilos - a couple of days in this client
[09:54] <Vince-0> oh, in gnome-term I use like 100k lines
[09:54] <Kilos> was maybe 4 or 5 back with that amd toy of trender s
[09:54] <inetpro> Kilos: 13/04 13:50:48 <magespawn> Kilos have another pc with an amd 980mhz chip and a nvidia card
[09:54] <Kilos> there was a link for ubuntu and amd
[09:55] <skillpiG> it was a pretty weird problem
[09:55] <skillpiG> top reports 100% cpu utilization
[09:55] <skillpiG> but everyone responds fairly immediate
[09:55] <skillpiG> and then it shuts down
[09:55] <skillpiG> not the temperature or power
[09:55] <Kilos> ai!
[09:55] <skillpiG> works stable in windows 8
[09:56] <Kilos> googling dont give me that amd ubuntu link
[09:57] <Vince-0> Kilos, search online logs?
[09:57] <Kilos> hehe Vince-0 my eye reads too slow
[09:57] <Kilos> will take forever
[09:57] <Vince-0> egrep!
[09:57] <Kilos> maybe we ask tumbleweed
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[09:58] <Kilos> the link for ubuntu and amd please tumbleweed
[09:58] <Kilos> ai!
[09:58] <Kilos> 4 or 5 days
[09:58] <tumbleweed> Kilos: eh?
[09:58] <Kilos> ill be here another 2 just trying to read
[09:59] <Kilos> tumbleweed: do you have that link for ubuntu onto a amd pc please
[09:59] <tumbleweed> Kilos: there's nothing special about AMD processors
[10:00] <Vince-0> house4hack is having their Ubuntu Raring release party in Randburg on the 4th of May
[10:01] <Kilos> oh my im sure i read something about it uses other kernel stuff or something here
[10:01] <Kilos> ai!
[10:01] <Kilos> maybe i dreamed it
[10:03] <Kilos> or maybe i was on maverick at the time
[10:03] <Kilos> sigh
[10:08] <tumbleweed> there's never really been anything spceial about AMD CPUs, they are clones of Intel CPUs
[10:08] <tumbleweed> AMD invented the 64bit x86 architecture, so we call it amd64
[10:09] <tumbleweed> but Intel support it too
[10:09] <tumbleweed> so, really, nothing special
[10:11] <Kilos> ah ty tumbleweed
[10:32] <Kilos> aw skillpig shoulda looked at what is using 100% cpu
[14:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:03] <Kilos> you been busy hey
[14:05] <superfly> yes, at a conference, along with tumbleweed and a few others
[14:12] <Kilos> ah
[14:13] <Kilos> aw shame and i bothered him, say im sorry please
[14:13] <tumbleweed> Kilos: no problem at all. I'm sitting with a laptop on my lap
[14:13] <tumbleweed> I have way more time for IRC when I'm at conferences, then normally :)
[14:14] <Kilos> ty but you guys should just let us know if you doing things like that
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:15]  * tumbleweed is getting through huge mountains of e-mail too
[14:15] <Kilos> hehe
[14:16] <Kilos> are they talking been there done that stuff
[14:17] <tumbleweed> actually a really good talk on SKA right now
[14:17] <tumbleweed> (last talk of the conference)
[14:18] <tumbleweed> http://scaleconf.org/schedule
[15:42] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za Cantide
[15:42] <Cantide> hello :)
[15:42] <Kilos> and Zarw
[15:43] <Kilos> he never acknowledges
[16:03] <Kilos> wbb after storm
[17:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:16] <Kilos> evening all
[17:25] <Vince-0> G'd eve
[19:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:34] <trender> (.)(.)
[20:34] <trender>   __
[20:34] <Tonberry_> are those breasts or eyes?
[20:35] <trender> :)
[20:35] <trender> just checking for signs of life man
[20:35] <trender> yes i can asure you
[20:35] <trender> eyes
[20:36] <trender> ey the linux okes are a serious bunch :)
[20:37] <Tonberry_> 22:30 on a Friday evening? People have social lives
[20:38] <trender> some do yea
[20:38] <trender> i dont try work to hard
[20:38] <trender> more smarter that harder
[20:38] <trender> than
[20:39] <trender> but i keep strange hours
[20:57] <trender> beetroot sarmies anyone ?
[22:01] <somaunn> Hello


[00:22] <Doc-Saintly> Hello all, what is the preferred way of installing guest additions for Xubuntu as a VM client?
[00:23] <Unit193> Doc-Saintly: Additional Drivers in the settings manager does it nicely.
[00:47] <Doc-Saintly> Unit193: ok, thanks :D
[00:48] <Doc-Saintly> Unit193: is there a command line way?
[00:48] <Unit193> Doc-Saintly: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms
[00:50] <Doc-Saintly> Unit193: awesome, thanks :D
[00:51] <Unit193> Any time.
[01:56] <timvisher> i just created a new user, and when i try to create a new xfce session, it flashes a black screen and then brings me back to light-locker. how can i diagnose what's going on?
[01:57] <Doc-Saintly> Is there an easy way to forward a port to another computer in the network without SSH?
[01:57] <Doc-Saintly> basically I only want to expose one linux server to the outside, but I'd like to use it to pass connections through to another server
[01:58] <Doc-Saintly> basically, my router won't allow me to forward from one port to a different one, and I don't want to change the ssh port of the second machine, so I'm hoping to forward it with the first machine
[02:02] <timvisher> i just created a different new user, this one is behaving properly. the original user had an encrypted home folder, which i then tried to delete (via Users Settings), is it possible something bad happened there?
[02:04] <timvisher> wat? when i delete the users with the ui, they go away from the ui, but when i close it and reopen it, they return…
[02:26] <chrispage1980> Hi, I'm wondering if any one else has had issues installing Steam with the new 14.04.2 x64 release?
[02:52] <timvisher> so the problem apparently was that the friendly delete user button in the gui didn't actually delete the user, just their home folder... hurray!
[03:29] <diegoaguilar> Hello, I, trying to do aptget update
[03:30] <diegoaguilar> but I get a lot of warnings complaning a connection couldnt be reached
[03:30] <diegoaguilar> and the error E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:30] <diegoaguilar> how can I fix this?
[03:47] <timvisher> diegoaguilar: how's your connection?
[03:47] <timvisher> if you `ping google.com` do you get high latency/packet loss stats?
[03:47] <diegoaguilar> yep I do timvisher
[03:47] <Unit193> diegoaguilar: Can you pastebin which ones are failing?
[03:47] <diegoaguilar> sure Unit193
[03:48] <diegoaguilar> Unit193, you will accept hastebin
[03:48] <diegoaguilar> right?
[03:48] <timvisher> diegoaguilar: it's probably that you have a legitimately bad connection then :\
[03:48] <Unit193> That's fine.
[03:49] <diegoaguilar> this is my apt-get update output Unit193 timvisher
[03:51] <timvisher> diegoaguilar: link coming? also it would be useful to see a paste of your ping stats
[03:53] <Unit193> ping -c13 | pastebinit
[03:53] <Unit193> Err... helps to add an address.
[03:54] <timvisher> Unit193: :)
[03:54] <diegoaguilar> lol sorry
[03:54] <diegoaguilar> http://www.hastebin.com/tosexadaza.pl
[03:54] <diegoaguilar> here you have the link
[03:56] <timvisher> diegoaguilar: that appears to have been successful?
[04:00] <timvisher> you're welcome :)
[04:00] <Unit193> Welp.  And yeah, no errors there.
[04:01] <Unit193> timvisher: userdel -r USERNAME  to remove users.
[04:02] <timvisher> Unit193: yep. figured that out eventually. that doesn't explain why the delete button in the gui doesn't work, even though it appears to until you reopen it :)
[04:02] <timvisher> but hey, the most recent upgrade healed my little acer's brightness acpi buttons so i shouldn't complain too much
[04:03] <Unit193> I'd say run users-admin from the terminal to see if it has any output, but it doesn't appear to give any.
[05:02] <erchamion> I just installed Xubuntu 14.04, and after all the updates I got locked out of my account, had to reboot, then I got an internal error
[05:02] <erchamion> Is that a serious problem?
[05:21] <erchamion> I also noticed there was a lot of deleting of packages during the latter stages of my last two installs
[05:22] <erchamion> Another problem is Xubuntu is not recognizing any of the drives I have hooked up to the USB slots
[05:22] <erchamion> the only thing that works in the USB slots are the keyboard and mouse
[05:23] <erchamion> I have never had any problems with any of my USB slots before
[05:24] <erchamion> I looked in the file manager, but there's not evidence of the external drive, nor of the jump drive I hooked up to USB slots
[05:25] <erchamion> Does Xubuntu 14.10 work better than 14.04?
[06:43] <Doc-Saintly> I have an SSH server listening on 2222, netstat seems to agree - but the connectionis refused. am I missing something?
[10:48] <chrislp> Hey, I was wondering. I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver. I've heard I can set the DPI in xorg.conf. If I buy a 24" 4k monitor, can I set the DPI in xorg.conf and everything will scale properly without problems/fuzziness?
[11:05] <cyris212> Seems like the xubuntu live cd isn't able to handle my graphics card
[11:06] <cyris212> Is there anyway around that so I could install xubuntu and add the proprietary driver later on?
[11:33] <xubuntu57w> Hello. I have connected my computer to TV display and extended it. I cannot drag video player on to the TV screen fully to play video in full screen on my TV. Is there something I can do to fix this?
[14:52] <pjotter> hello everybody
[14:53] <pjotter> I wanted to ask you a question about Xubuntu 14.04 that I haven't been able to figure out.
[14:57] <elfy> pjotter: just ask it - if someone can help they will
[15:03] <pjotter> It's about the screensaver, lightlocker or power management. No matter what I do, my monitor always goes to blank after 10 minutes. Even though all settings are in 'off' or 'none' position.
[15:13] <elfy> pjotter: mmm - well I've seen so many different versions of that I've lost any clue tbh - I'm not on 14.04 anymore
[15:14] <elfy> but I would start with removing either lighlocker or xscreensaver - probably not best to have both
[15:14] <pjotter> I was thinking the same. Maybe there is some kind of conflict between those
[15:15] <elfy> yep
[15:15] <elfy> for what it's worth lightlocker and power manager did work for *me*
[15:15] <pjotter> hmmm... it appears I don; t have xscreensaver installed
[15:16] <pjotter> Julst lightlocker
[15:16] <elfy> is this desktop or laptop?
[15:16] <pjotter> desktop
[15:16] <pjotter> But my laptop has the same problem
[15:16] <elfy> mmm yea - as I said "I've seen so many different versions of that I've lost any clue tbh"
[15:17] <pjotter> Think I already found it... it seems an upgrade to a newer version of power manager would solve this bug?
[15:17] <pjotter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716
[15:18] <pjotter> ubottu: What does 'fix released' mean? Is it going to be fixed any time soon? Or do I still need to upgrade power manager?
[15:18] <pjotter> Sorry to hear that ubottu :)
[15:30] <zorro> hello people
[18:54] <belal122> I need to ask, how come there isn't a official xubuntu icon for the panel's "start" button?
[18:56] <pleia2> there is, it's the mouse head
[18:57] <belal122> but that's XFCE's icon, no?
[18:57] <pleia2> no, it's a variation on the Xfce icon, which only includes the head
[18:57] <pleia2> our branding info: http://xubuntu.org/resources/
[18:57] <belal122> ohhh
[18:58] <pleia2> the Xfce icon is a whole mouse :)
[18:58] <belal122> lol i see it now.
[21:10] <paolo> hello, i'd like to disable the wheel-button paste feature
[21:11] <paolo> i've been able to do that with this command: xinput set-button-map 12 1 0 3
[21:11] <paolo> how do i set that permanently? in which init file?
[23:15] <id-furqon> hello
[23:15] <knome> hello
[23:29] <id-furqon> hm,. i'am beginner to use Xubuntu , I want to know , What is the most prominent advantages of Xubuntu ?
[23:43] <nomic> its fast & small
[23:43] <nomic> robust, not susceptible to malware/viruses
[23:43] <nomic> also its xfce a stable desktop


[12:21] <stickupkid> this is interesting, never spotted this in github - https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/network/dependents?package_id=UGFja2FnZS01MjI0MzQ2NA%3D%3D
[12:21] <stickupkid> see whom is a dependant on pylib in github
[12:27] <rick_h> hah that's cool
[12:27] <rick_h> though seems odd layers are depending on it. Maybe testing/etc?
[14:51] <achilleasa> did we make any watcher-related changes to develop? I am getting lots of random watcher-related test failures on CI
[15:01] <rick_h> achilleasa:  lots of thumper stuff around watchers?
[15:02] <rick_h> stickupkid:  what's up with the root job build queue listing the nw-deploy-eoan-amd64-lxd a ton of times? Any ideas?
[15:03] <stickupkid> wow
[15:03] <rick_h> stickupkid:  yea, cancelling them up right now
[15:04] <stickupkid> looks like this is 2.7 issue
[15:04] <stickupkid> no wait, I'm wrong
[15:04] <rick_h> ok, cleaned those out...
[15:05]  * rick_h moves to internal chat
[16:58] <skay> I added a postgresql unit after ripping out the old one and this one's status message is 'Installing wal-e snap' and it's been like that for quiet a while now
[16:58] <skay> how do I get it unstuck?
[17:12] <achilleasa> rick_h: for the remote-lxd use-case can we assume that the client can _always_ talk to the remote-lxd or do we assume that only the local controller can do so (e.g. very strict fw rules)?
[17:13] <stickupkid> we want both right?
[17:13] <achilleasa> for juju login the fingerprint fetch/check happens client-side whereas for the above I could imagine that this might not always be possible (for the remote)
[17:13] <rick_h> achilleasa:  yes, in this sample case the client probably can, but not always
[17:13] <rick_h> achilleasa:  right, I think that's jam's point is that our lxd uses are very client driven
[17:13] <rick_h> achilleasa:  and so the logic isn't avilable on the server side when running add-cloud to a different controller
[17:14] <rick_h> achilleasa:  however we can't trade one use for for the other. In the end we need both
[17:14] <rick_h> achilleasa:  but it's a bit of work. I'd prefer if we identify issues, file bugs, and see what we can do to unblock folks vs biting the whole thing off
[17:14] <stickupkid> achilleasa, what rick_h said
[17:14] <stickupkid> :)
[17:14] <rick_h> achilleasa:  as I think there's a lot in there. You can see the same story with things like maas checking endpoints when you add-cloud a maas, or the same sanity checks we do with openstack when you add an openstack cloud
[17:15] <rick_h> achilleasa:  there's a fundamental design we've missed in that juju add-cloud local vs to a controller should be more in line
[17:15] <rick_h> it's just one more thing in "multi-cloud controller makes life interesting"
[17:15] <stickupkid> rick_h, achilleasa maas is client only, yeah - that was a big miss
[17:16] <rick_h> stickupkid:  achilleasa so from my PoV I'd like to identify how it should be "done right" and spec/file bugs on that vs trying to just make the lxd case work better
[17:16] <stickupkid> rick_h, achilleasa agreed, it's not just LXD as you pointed out
[17:16] <achilleasa> still investigating... for the lxd case in particular, the fix must live in the controller (in the lxd provider to be precise). however, my question is whether we could have our client try to connect to the remote (its endpoint is known to the client)
[17:17] <rick_h> achilleasa:  no, because it's no promise the controller will work from where it sits
[17:17] <rick_h> achilleasa:  this case of adding a lxd cloud to a k8s controller is the perfect example. Nothing says those two work together
[17:17] <rick_h> achilleasa:  and the client is the perfect middle man providing the "best case" vs the worst one
[17:18] <rick_h> stickupkid:  you free for a sec then if you're still around?
[17:19] <achilleasa> still, the problem (as far as this bug is concerned) lies in that lxd behaves in a certain way (jam has linked an issue where they explain why it is implemented like this) which means that we need to do a custom TLS verification step
[17:19] <rick_h> before I break CI to bits?
[17:19] <stickupkid> rick_h, yeah in daily
[17:19] <achilleasa> (just as lxc does)
[17:19] <stickupkid> rick_h, i'll trade you for writing tests in goose
[17:20] <achilleasa> happy to jump in on a HO later to explain my proposal for a solution (that may be applicable to other providers)
[17:25] <rick_h> achilleasa:  it'd be good to write up (tomorrow maybe, getting late) and that way more folks can comment/discuss
[17:25] <rick_h> I think jam, wallyworld, etc would like to think about it as well
[17:26] <achilleasa> rick_h: as a discourse post or an email?
[17:28] <rick_h> achilleasa:  either/or
[17:57] <achilleasa> argh! still cannot replicate the TLS validation issue with remote lxd. I will ping John tomorrow for more details and try with k8s
[20:03] <thumper> morning
[20:04]  * thumper waves at alexisb
[20:04] <thumper> alexisb: I hope you and family are staying healthy
[20:08] <rick_h> morning thumper


[07:53] <InHisName2> Morning
[10:24] <rmg51> Morning
[13:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkey, hamsters and everything else
[13:24] <JonathanD> hiya
[13:28] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:37] <InHisName2> jthan: y did u drop the "j" for 3 seconds, --> missed typing a key ?
[13:37] <InHisName2> Morning again
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> hi
[16:45] <lazyPower> o/
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> Is there a way to channel a terminal program or a screen session through a unix socket or named pipe? I know this seems like a strange question.
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> This is too complicated. Maybe I would rather not try to do that.
[17:59] <square-r00t> screen sessions already use sockets
[18:00] <square-r00t> /var/run/screen
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> oh.
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> So how do I connect to screen via socket then?
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> Meaning... If I have access to the file system containing the screen socket but screen is not running on the system I can see it from, how do I connect to it?
[18:04] <square-r00t> when you start a screen session, it opens a new socket.
[18:05] <square-r00t> i'm going to take a guess here and assume you're trying to attach to a process that was initiated remotely and not within screen/dtach?
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> Actually no but.. can I do that?
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> That would be even better if I could run processes that aren't attached to a screen or terminal and connect to them later.
[18:10] <square-r00t> no, you can't. hah
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> This conversation is creating more questions than answers now. What I am trying to do is figure out how to isolate CLI programs inside docker containers.
[18:11] <square-r00t> oh, ps auxf|less
[18:11] <square-r00t> hit / (search)
[18:11] <square-r00t> search for the dock name
[18:11] <square-r00t> ps auxf prints all processes, their full execution path, in "tree" mode
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> I don't understand how that helps me
[18:12] <square-r00t> so you can see what processes another process spawns
[18:12] <square-r00t> if it's running from the dock, you'll be able to find the process of the dock, and check out the children processes
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> How do I communicate with a process that is running in a container if it doesn't have network ports or a unix socket in the filesystem?
[18:12] <square-r00t> *most* docks, iirc, spawn them that way
[18:12] <square-r00t> simple answer, you don't
[18:13] <square-r00t> you can send KILL sigs and that's it
[18:13] <square-r00t> (e.g. HUP, USR1, etc.)
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> Not a dock, Docker
[18:13] <square-r00t> http://www.linux.org/threads/kill-commands-and-signals.4423/
[18:14] <square-r00t> oh...thehell. looks like some kind of UML clone
[18:14] <square-r00t> the process tree *should* still show the process
[18:15] <square-r00t> ultimately, What Are you Trying to Specifically Do(TM)
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> The only connection I have to processes running in docker containers is network ports and file system access
[18:16] <square-r00t> through the docker interface/API, sure
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> Enable me to run multiple versions of a CLI environment at the same time by isolating the applications within containers
[18:17] <square-r00t> but unless it's running in a paravirt mode or fully virtualized hardware (and it doesn't look like Docker does that; it looks more like chroots) you should be able to still see and interact (via SIG at least) the processes within the container
[18:17] <square-r00t> but grain of salt, i'm not using docker or anything
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> But that won't let me attach it to an arbitrary terminal or screen.. will it?
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> It seems to me that to do this properly will create far too much overhead. I /could/ run an sshd in every container and then redirect users that ssh in to the correct container
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> That will create 1 sshd per application though plus 1 just to get in.
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> It might be better to abandon Docker for this. If I do that though I will need a safe way to update the system.
[18:28] <ChinnoDog> Actually, this could be a good use for btrfs snapshots.
[18:29] <ChinnoDog> To perform safe modifications I could snapshot the root file system, chroot into the snapshot to perform and test updates, and then remount root to the new snapshot.
[18:29] <ChinnoDog> square-r00t: What do you think?
[18:30] <square-r00t> ChinnoDog: that's what you gotta do, re: sshd
[18:30] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to run that many sshds
[18:31] <square-r00t> but no, unless it has some sort of hypervisor or such you're not going to be able to get a tty (or pty) to that container
[18:41] <square-r00t> you might want to check out virtuozzo/openvz
[18:41] <square-r00t> it doesn't quite need a hypervisor like fully virtualized hardware, and you can easily enter containers
[18:42] <ChinnoDog> That will have even more overhead. Resources for an entire system in every VM.
[18:42] <square-r00t> bad news is they're full OS installs for each container, not just a chrooted application
[18:42] <square-r00t> it's not virt'd hardware
[18:42] <square-r00t> it just takes up more disk space
[18:42] <square-r00t> would use the same ram/cpu per container as docker
[18:42] <ChinnoDog> I know it is paravirt but every system is going to be running all the normal processes
[18:42] <square-r00t> (roughly)
[18:43] <square-r00t> no, it's *not* paravirt.
[18:43] <square-r00t> that's what i'm saying
[18:43] <square-r00t> vz = chroots with some isolated device special files, etc.
[18:44] <square-r00t> each container's going to be running about 4-5 processes as overhead, and that's all running via host kernel hooks
[18:44] <square-r00t> (so yeah, you need a custom kernel)
[18:44] <square-r00t> but you can't have your cake and eat it too
[18:46] <square-r00t> (paravirt means it's able to, and does, run its own kernel inside the container on fully virtualized hardware)
[18:46] <square-r00t> point being, you need to decide what you actually wanna do, because you're not gonna have a way of getting interactive shell with processes running inside a container without modifying the kernel
[18:46] <ChinnoDog> That is also more overhead than I want. My alternate plan seems more practical here. Abandon containers entirely and do system updates using file system snapshots. It is not the same level of isolation but it won't take down running processes and I can test the results before I commit.
[18:47] <square-r00t> (shrug)
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> I don't want more to manage, I want less to manage.
[18:48] <square-r00t> lol. sounds like your solution has a hell of a lot more to manage than me, but what do i know; i'm a linux sysadmin
[18:48] <square-r00t> s/than/to/
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> Snapshots allows me to manage one system. With OpenVZ I would have to manage one system per user. With containers I would have to manage one container per apps and additional apps to connect the containers.
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> None of these approaches is perfect.
[18:50] <square-r00t> btrfs is also beta, you'd be hacking the thing together yourself, and you won't be able to run them in parallel effectively. to me, that's a higher nightmare
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> Seems stable enough to me. I've been running it for years.
[18:52] <ChinnoDog> I had more problems with "stable" resierfs code than I ever did with btrfs.
[18:52] <square-r00t> in-house always has the benefit of doing it "exactly" the way you want something done (assuming the skillsets are available to make that happen), but at the cost of admin/dev time.
[18:52] <square-r00t> that's because reiserfs is trash
[18:53] <square-r00t> but 1.) that's anecdotal evidence, 2.) still says nothing about the other two major issues i presented
[18:53] <square-r00t> granted, you still haven't told me *why* you're doing this, so i have no idea of the use case
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> To host an application on the internet for users to access.
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> Since I am hosting it stability as well as density is important.
[18:55] <square-r00t> stable, density, convenient; choose two
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> two?
[19:02] <MutantTurkey> you're lucky if you get one in the end!