[00:00] <ochosi> k, that's good to hear
[00:00] <ochosi> i added some highlight, so in fact the text of active windows in the panel brightens when you hover it
[00:01] <drc> http://imagebin.org/155988
[00:01] <charlie-tca> you changed something
[00:02] <ochosi> drc: wow, your window-borders are quite something ;)
[00:02] <drc> Appearence = greybird, WM - BAsix
[00:02] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yes, the selection and prelight of window-buttons is darker now, also the panel text is a tad darker
[00:02] <drc> I dislike rounded windows, always have :)
[00:03] <charlie-tca> We can work with it
[00:03] <charlie-tca> The selection and the active window use the same shade?
[00:03] <drc> ochosi: I actually like the "hover" change
[00:03] <charlie-tca> The panel text is good now
[00:04] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, active window and selection are not the same shade, but the difference is small, hard to see on bad screens. shall i make it more visible?
[00:04] <charlie-tca> you should have a different color for select and active
[00:05] <charlie-tca> yes, they need to be different. If I select the workspace next to the active workspace, I can't tell which one is selected
[00:05] <charlie-tca> you know what I mean. title/workspace, it just blends together
[00:06] <charlie-tca> but it will work
[00:06] <ochosi> mhm, yeah, i'll make it more contrasty
[00:06] <ochosi> one sec
[00:09] <drc> ochosi: When I change WM bow I get http://imagebin.org/155990  Never did before.
[00:09] <ochosi> hmm, i'm wondering whether to make the active or the prelight darker
[00:09] <charlie-tca> Is the no separation for titles intended?  http://imagebin.org/155991
[00:09] <ochosi> drc: what's the black box?
[00:10] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what separation do you mean exactly?
[00:10] <drc> Thats the change :)   Putting back original panel.rc to check
[00:10] <charlie-tca> There is no separation between titles now, they blend into each other
[00:11] <charlie-tca> in that last screenshot. I thought they were separated before, but maybe not
[00:11] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, i didn't do anything about that
[00:12] <ochosi> charlie-tca: that was probably because "Global Time" has a shorter title, therefore more "padding" to the next item
[00:12] <charlie-tca> okay, then it is just the contrast from active to selected that has issues
[00:12] <ochosi> k, try this: http://pastebin.com/tAWkvD8w
[00:13] <ochosi> (it's a new approach to the active/prelight problem)
[00:15] <charlie-tca> I like that
[00:16] <ochosi> good :)
[00:16] <ochosi> how about the timer-bar?
[00:16] <charlie-tca> did you drive drc nuts now
[00:16] <ochosi> visible enough?
[00:17] <charlie-tca> timer bar is hard to see
[00:17]  * ochosi hopes not
[00:17] <ochosi> k, i'll have a look at the timer bar now
[00:17] <charlie-tca> I would like the timer to work right again, but I think those days are gone
[00:17] <drc> ochosi: I like the latest...but I'm still having problems when I change WM's....
[00:17] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what's not working about the timer?
[00:18] <ochosi> drc: don't think that's related to the theme-change at all
[00:18] <drc> OK, let me try something
[00:19] <charlie-tca> It has text next to the bar, that used to show up
[00:19] <charlie-tca> nop
[00:20] <charlie-tca> It has text field to the right of the black bar. You used to click the bar itself to get the timer properties. Now you click the empty panel space to the right of the bar to get properties for the timer
[00:20] <charlie-tca> That is also the click spot to run the timer, instead of the bar
[00:20] <charlie-tca> also, the bar is supposed to show the time used up, it just stays black all the time now
[00:21] <ochosi> hm, sounds like a borked and unmaintained plugin to me
[00:21] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know
[00:21] <ochosi> it's not installed by default, right?
[00:21] <charlie-tca> It went whacky for 4.8, and it just stays that way now. But at least it is a timer, and it does tell when the time expired.
[00:22] <charlie-tca> You can see the time used up too when you hover over it
[00:22] <charlie-tca> no, not default
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Can't install something so screwed up, can we?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> I can't be the only user out there, though
[00:22] <ochosi> doesn't sound like a good idea, no :)
[00:23] <charlie-tca> It's like the world clock. I heard a user go through great pains to get gnome clock because it doesn't use a window. It just sits on the desktop.
[00:24] <charlie-tca> I prefer the window of orage, I think. At least I can find it
[00:24] <ochosi> mhm
[00:28] <charlie-tca> You want me to try this for a day or so and see what I think now?
[00:28] <ochosi> yeah, i think that'd be a good thing
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I can do that. It drives me nuts pretty fast when I don't like the colors
[00:29] <ochosi> in fact the progressbars also darkened for me with the other panel color-changes
[00:29] <ochosi> so the contrast should be about the same
[00:29] <ochosi> as before
[00:29] <charlie-tca> what progressbars?
[00:29] <ochosi> i use the network-monitor
[00:29] <ochosi> it also uses progressbars
[00:29] <ochosi> like the timer
[00:30] <charlie-tca> oh, mine don't like they changed, but maybe?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> Will the murrine going away thing hurt us?
[00:31] <ochosi> the progressbar-background is the same on your last screenshot as the active window, which is "charlie - File Man.." http://imagebin.org/155991
[00:31] <ochosi> murrine going away?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> I think they are trying to get rid of it now, something about gtk3 and gnome3?
[00:31] <ochosi> oh dear, that would hurt us badly
[00:31] <charlie-tca> or am I confused again?
[00:31] <ochosi> i guess they'll maybe stall development of the engine
[00:32] <ochosi> since it's done by an ubuntu employee
[00:32] <ochosi> but they can't quickly throw it out of the window
[00:32] <charlie-tca> or maybe it won't be there by default?
[00:32] <ochosi> because everything that uses gtk2 will need murrine
[00:32] <ochosi> it's ubuntu's standard engine
[00:32] <ochosi> and we can always ship it by default in xubuntu
[00:32] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's the one I heard won't be in Oneiric
[00:33] <ochosi> so oneiric will be gtk3-only in ubuntu?
[00:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know the answer to that
[00:33] <charlie-tca> We will be gtk2 only, though
[00:33] <charlie-tca> ouch, what a mess this one is going to be, huh?
[00:33] <ochosi> yeah...
[00:34] <ochosi> that's why i said, it'd be good to have basic gtk3 support in greybird
[00:34] <ochosi> i hope i have the time for that
[00:34] <charlie-tca> We even had to upgrade to at-spi2 for accessibility this time
[00:34] <charlie-tca> heh, that's why we keep at it!
[00:35] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit said we are staying away from gtk3 as much as as possible this cycle.
[00:35] <ochosi> sure, but users can always install gtk3 apps later and then it'll look like using a programme via wine
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Lol
[00:36] <charlie-tca> going to be a fun time
[00:36] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, the shared infrastructure will probably be GTK3, the Xfce stuff will probably be GTK2
[00:36] <charlie-tca> no probably, has to be gtk2
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Xfce doesn't support gtk3 at all yet
[00:36] <ochosi> micahg: you think they'll already port stuff like software-center to gtk3?
[00:36] <micahg> ochosi: yes
[00:36] <ochosi> uargh
[00:37] <ochosi> then we *need* greybird to support gtk3
[00:37] <micahg> ochosi: I can check tomorow
[00:37] <ochosi> micahg: is there a good/easy way to use/test gtk3 in natty?
[00:37] <ochosi> something like the widget-factory for gtk3 would be good
[00:37] <micahg> ochosi: sure, there's gtk3 in natty
[00:37] <ochosi> any app you'd recommend for testing purposes?
[00:38]  * micahg checks what's there
[00:38] <ochosi> thx
[00:39] <charlie-tca> Okay, got to go rest my arm and eyes.
[00:39] <micahg> ochosi: there is a gtk-3-examples package
[00:39] <ochosi> sure, thanks for testing :)
[00:39] <charlie-tca> will test this new theme and let you know what happens
[00:39] <charlie-tca> no problem
[00:39] <ochosi> yep
[00:40] <ochosi> micahg: wondering what's up with the "-" between gtk and 3 :)
[00:40] <micahg> ochosi: there's also the gnome3 PPA
[00:40] <ochosi> yeah, but i heard that's a can of worms
[00:41] <ochosi> i'm not looking for total breakage, just a small environment to test theming ;)
[00:41] <micahg> ochosi: it is, I'd suggest testing GTK3 in oneiric in a VM
[00:41] <drc> ochosi: what's the latest pastebin for panel.rc (i.e., since I dropped out)?
[00:41] <ochosi> drc: http://pastebin.com/tAWkvD8w
[00:41] <micahg> ochosi: or you can backport a GTK3 app to natty if it doesn't have a lot of build-deps
[00:41] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, i'll do that as soon as i have a basic gtk3 style ready
[00:59] <drc> ochosi: I like the latest panel.rc :)
[00:59] <ochosi> thanks
[00:59] <ochosi> keep repeating that and hopefully it'll be default in oneiric ;)
[01:02] <drc> Now if you can only get rid of the #FFFFFF in gtkrc's  base_color: to make it something less glaring :)
[01:03] <ochosi> that was in fact requested by charlie-tca if i remember correctly
[01:03] <ochosi> it wasn't pure white before
[01:03] <ochosi> i think it was something like f1f1f1
[01:03] <charlie-tca> f5
[01:04] <ochosi> right, it might've been f5f5f5
[01:04] <drc> Don't remember...I've been in and out so much (trying to figure out where that black box was coming from (it's related to xfce4-panel --replace somehow) I proably have missed most of the conversation.
[01:05] <ochosi> we can test other subtle color changes during this cycle imo
[01:05] <drc> ochosi: selected_fg_color:#f5f5f maybe...I'm pretty sure base_color was #FFFFFF (but I won't bet the farm on that)
[01:05] <drc> ochosi: I'm usually here and more than will to test
[01:06] <drc> darn it, I didn't save the original gtkrc...must remember to do that next time :(
[01:07] <ochosi> you can always pull it from git
[01:07] <drc> never used git, got a URL that will give me the basics?
[01:08] <ochosi> you don't have to use it if you don't want to, you can also simply download the files here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/master/gtk-2.0
[01:09] <drc> base_color:#FFFFFF" :)
[01:09] <drc> nah nah nah nah
[01:10] <charlie-tca> so it ain't my fault?
[01:10] <ochosi> you're only referring to the panel?
[01:10] <ochosi> i was actually talking about something else i think, i mixed it up
[01:10] <drc> ochosi: Not the panel, the base color of the windows
[01:11] <charlie-tca> so it is my fault again?
[01:11] <ochosi> i just realized i was talking about the general text color, cause that wasn't black as in #000 in greybird before, but something like a very dark grey
[01:11] <ochosi> charlie-tca: nothing is your fault :)
[01:11] <drc> charlie-tca: everything is your fault...you're the boss :)
[01:12] <drc> You can delegate authority but never responsibility. First rule an officer learns :)
[01:13] <charlie-tca> well, that certainly cleared that up!
[01:13] <drc> s/officer/leader/
[01:14] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what do you think of drc's suggestion to tune down the base-color of the theme a bit?
[01:14] <drc> Anyway, the request to lessen the glare on base_color is still there.  My poor old eyes.
[01:14] <charlie-tca> in the panel or the windows?
[01:14] <drc> windows
[01:15] <drc> imo, the panel is fine now
[01:15] <charlie-tca> ochosi: the glare gets worse with a darker panel
[01:15] <charlie-tca> it seems to make the white window background brighter
[01:15] <ochosi> brighter than the current FFF? ;)
[01:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:16] <charlie-tca> it brightens when the panels darken, optical illusion
[01:16] <charlie-tca> makes it seem brighter
[01:17] <drc> I actually replace it with #EBEFF3, which it the color of the left panel in thunar (it was easy to grab)
[01:17] <drc> Have I mentioned lately, I'm lazy ?
[01:17] <charlie-tca> how do you do that?
[01:18] <drc> in /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtkrc, iirc
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I am not lazy, just a simple user... ;-)
[01:18] <ochosi> would you want to test a different base color?
[01:19] <charlie-tca> If I can figure it out, I will yellow it
[01:19] <ochosi> hehe
[01:19] <drc> ochosi: I'll test anything you want (I'll try to remember to make a copy of the original file this time)
[01:19] <ochosi> charlie-tca: just change the base_color value in line 6 to the yellow you want
[01:20] <drc> charlie-tca: It's base_color:#FFFFFF, towords the top of the file
[01:20] <ochosi> drc: k, well since you know how to adjust the gtkrc file, i'll just tell you the values to test, cause i'm lazy too ;)
[01:20] <drc> :)
[01:21] <drc> charlie-tca: /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[01:22] <ochosi> drc: hm, when changing the base-color the scrollbars won't blend in anymore... at least not without a fair amount of work
[01:22] <drc> true
[01:22] <drc> I'm still trying to figure that one out, but it's eluded me so far
[01:23] <ochosi> trying to figure what out?
[01:23] <charlie-tca> and how do I make that change take effect now?
[01:23] <ochosi> charlie-tca: change themes back and forth
[01:23] <charlie-tca> okay
[01:23] <drc> but at least I don't have the glare in the main part of the windows.  For a single user it's no problem, but as a default, it's a problem.
[01:23] <charlie-tca> nm, it took by itself
[01:24] <ochosi> drc: my screen automatically dims itself depending on room-brightness
[01:24] <drc> ochosi: lucky you
[01:24] <charlie-tca> been trying to do that for a very long time
[01:24] <charlie-tca> ochosi: it worked
[01:24] <ochosi> good
[01:24] <charlie-tca> now it doesn't glare at me
[01:25] <drc> charlie-tca: what vale did you set?
[01:25] <ochosi> drc: i can give you what i have on the scrollbar-integration code, but i have to say i hit a dead end there. it's not perfect
[01:25] <charlie-tca> FFFFE8
[01:25] <charlie-tca> might be too yellow, though
[01:28] <charlie-tca> FFFFF4 is better
[01:31] <drc> ochosi: If you
[01:32] <drc> If you hit a dead end, I'm sure I would have no clue whatsoever, I'm just a untalented but stubborn user.
[01:34] <ochosi> here's my dead end: http://imagebin.org/156003
[01:34] <ochosi> the scrollbar on the left integrates color-wise with thunar's sidebar
[01:34] <ochosi> but the trough of the scrollbar has a tiny outline that i can't seem to get rid of
[01:37] <drc> Still, it's better than the terminal scroll bar :)
[01:38] <ochosi> why? the terminal scrollbar is totally integrated and intentional
[01:38] <ochosi> (at least with a terminal with 000 bg-color)
[01:39] <drc> Well, can you guess what I did?  :)
[01:39] <drc> black...yuk!
[01:39] <charlie-tca> heh
[01:39] <ochosi> furthermore it's easy to get rid of it, just comment the line from gtkrc
[01:41] <ochosi> in fact there was a plan to do something like new default terminal-colors
[01:41] <ochosi> but as often there wasn't enough time/energy
[01:44] <drc> well, well, well.  Didn't see that line way down at the bottom.  Thanks.
[01:44] <ochosi> np
[01:46] <drc> Time to document in my notebook all these changes for the next time I have to re-install.
[01:47] <ochosi> better help us/me to fix them for the next release
[01:48] <drc> It's almost a certainty that I will have to reinstall before Oct :(
[01:49] <drc> ochosi: Like I said, I'm here, I'm available (to the best of my limited abilities)
[01:49] <ochosi> still, if we fix stuff in greybird until then you can simply pull it from git
[01:49] <drc> Keeping a notebook is an old old habit.
[01:50] <ochosi> it's not bad, i'm just trying to motivate you to contribute ;)
[01:59] <drc> charlie-tca: I just thought of something...Soup* (can't remember his full nick) was one of the people that brought up moving the community meeting to another day.  I think it was because he used his university connection.  I'm not sure that he'll be at the university on a Sunday.
[02:31] <drc> ochosi: Take a look at trough_shades in gtkrc.  Try setting them to 1.0 and 1.0, for example.
[02:33] <drc> Oh, I'm talking about the window scrollbars
[02:35] <drc> Nevdermind...It looks real good with my darker colors, but not so much with the default colors
[02:35] <ochosi> what looks good?
[02:36] <drc> lert me play some more
[02:36] <drc> Thought I had something.... but I'm not sure
[02:36] <ochosi> screenshot?
[02:37] <ochosi> drc: this is the code for the thunar-sidebar: http://pastebin.com/X0KUJD52
[02:38] <ochosi> see all the commented lines, these equal my failed approaches
[02:41] <drc> http://imagebin.org/156011
[02:42] <ochosi> what exactly do you want to do?
[02:42] <charlie-tca> drc: you are correct. We will have to check with him to find out
[02:43] <drc> I'm tryinig to tie the scrollbar trough into the color scheme of the window border, so that whatever color you end up making the window irself, it won't matter
[02:43] <ochosi> oh, you mean like in bluebird?
[02:43] <drc> dunno, let me look at bluebird:)
[02:44] <drc> yeah, more or less
[02:44] <ochosi> guess then it's best for you to check out the scrollbar-code of bluebird
[02:44] <drc> So I've been sitting here trying all sorts of things that you already know...sheesh :)
[02:44] <drc> That would work too
[02:45] <ochosi> especially important for your idea is the "within-bevel" option (look for it in bluebird)
[02:45] <charlie-tca> drc: and we really appreciate your attempts to help, too
[02:46] <charlie-tca> okay this yellow is not working. When the lines alternate colors, I get bright yellow
[02:47] <ochosi> theming isn't easy, theme/system-wide color changes have quite many effects
[02:48] <charlie-tca> now you tell me
[02:48] <ochosi> ;)
[02:48] <charlie-tca> I knew it wasn't easy, but did not realize the effects
[02:49] <ochosi> now you probably understand how painful it is when you have a good idea, then implement it and suddenly everyone starts shouting: "my favorite app doesn't look like i prefer it anymore"
[02:55] <charlie-tca> I knew that one already too. That's why I try not to do that too much.
[02:56] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will try F4FFFF for a bit now
[02:57] <drc> ochosi: What was the reasoning behind the change from Bluebirds trough coloring (iirc, Greybird was based on Bluebird?)to what ended up in Greybird (If you don't mind my asking)?
[02:57] <ochosi> drc: no, you can ask as much and whatever you want
[02:58] <ochosi> i just felt that having the scrollbar inside the scrolled area is more natural
[02:59] <drc> You're proably right, I never thought about it until I started playing around with colors and saw the result :)
[03:01] <drc> They are much less obtrusive...sort of like Unity's scrollbars outside the window, You don't think aboiut them until you need them.
[03:02] <ochosi> much of it is a question of experience and well, personal taste
[03:02] <drc> yup
[03:07] <drc> While we're talking about greybird, the *one* thing I really don't like about it (even above rounded window tops) is I cannot tell at a glance which is the active window, the difference between active and inactive is just too subtle.  There I said it :)
[03:09] <astraljava> I have that problem on many, many themes. Like on Ubuntu Studio (which is where I'm hailing from, btw.) :)
[03:09] <charlie-tca> I said that a long time back
[03:09] <drc> Other than all the things we've talked about tonight, it's perfect.
[03:09] <astraljava> Hoping to see a change this time around.
[03:10] <charlie-tca> oh, you mean the window title bar?
[03:10] <drc> charlie-tca: yes, was I not specific enough?
[03:11] <charlie-tca> just ask ochosi what the possiblity of changing the color of the inactive title bar is
[03:11] <drc> Nah, I've bugged him enough for one night, maybe tomorrow.
[03:12] <ochosi> hm, yeah, i wouldn't mind changing that a bit
[03:12] <ochosi> in fact i already did in the compact xfwm4 theme i recently added to greybird's repo
[03:12] <ochosi> it's still pretty subtle though
[03:12] <drc> ochosi: Maybe just a little darker on the active title bar text?
[03:12] <ochosi> and what i really want to revise is the inactive text
[03:13] <ochosi> hmm, the problem with doing that is that the window-controls should be similar color-wise
[03:13] <drc> It doesn't need to be a different color (like Basix's is), just to able to tell at a galnce
[03:14] <ochosi> hm, tbh i'm a bit too tired tonight to really try something with that now, bug me again some other day and we can do some experiments :)
[03:17] <charlie-tca> well, now that I made my desktop plain ugly... ;-)
[03:17]  * drc writes that down in his notebook :)
[03:18] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hehe, well i guess you still remember the few steps to change it back
[03:18] <charlie-tca> yeah, delete the theme and update
[03:18] <ochosi> charlie-tca: and most importantly: don't blame the fact that your desktop is ugly on the darker panel experiment ;)
[03:18] <drc> yeah: sudo cp gtkrc.ORIGINAL gtkrc :)
[03:19] <charlie-tca> well, I guess it isn't really caused by that
[03:19] <drc> Like I didn't
[03:19] <charlie-tca> oh, I just gksu thunar and do everything at one time
[03:19] <charlie-tca> any editor opened with thunar as root is automatically granted root
[03:19] <ochosi> well be sure not to remove the panel-changes
[03:20] <charlie-tca> Nah, I will leave it this way for a day or two. It isn't yellow, though.
[03:20] <drc> ochosi: Again, well done on the panel.
[03:20] <charlie-tca> It isn't orange any more, either, though
[03:21] <ochosi> k, everyone, was fun testing stuff with you, now i really gotta hit the sack
[03:21] <charlie-tca> Thanks, ochosi
[03:21] <ochosi> see you around!
[03:21] <charlie-tca> good night
[03:22] <ochosi> g'night
[03:24]  * drc hates thinking he's found something really neat, only to find out everyone *but* him has already figured it out (and usually discarded it as impracticle)
[03:25] <charlie-tca> It helps get everyone thinking, though
[03:25]  * charlie-tca is just hoi
[03:25]  * charlie-tca is hoping for installable alternate images tomorrow
[03:29] <drc> It would be a change of pace.
[03:30] <drc> It would get my mind of this new thechnique I've discover...bubble sorts!
[03:42] <drc> Does gedit have a diff plugin?
[03:44] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I switched to geany. It has fewer dependencies on gnome
[03:49] <charlie-tca> and a lot more options
[04:00] <astraljava> No diff plugin, and looks like no one's even going to write such, but rather there's a notion of integrating meld with gedit.
[04:00] <astraljava> Which kinda makes sense, it's a nifty tool.
[13:51] <charlie-tca> no changes in Xubuntu images today
[13:51] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i thought about this a bit more now and i think i'll spend more time getting a basic gtk3 theme than doing fancy stuff with greybird in gtk2
[13:52] <ochosi> since we'll surely have some applications installed by default that use gtk3 i think it's gonna be important
[13:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[13:52] <ochosi> i mean we can discuss this more, but this seems to make most sense to me
[13:53] <ochosi> and i have to find someone who has already worked with gtk3, i'm afraid it's like starting from scratch with something completely new :(
[13:53] <drc> And I woke up at 05:00 thinking: "ochosi didn't colorize the scrollbar trough, he bleached it."  And couldn't get back to sleep.  Thanks ochosi :)
[13:54] <ochosi> drc: hehe, yeah, in fact that's what i did
[14:04] <charlie-tca> ochosi: ỳes, gtk3 is coming. Of course, Xfce won't use it for a while yet. Also, we do want to push any gtk3 backwards to natty.
[14:04] <ochosi> no, of course not
[14:05] <ochosi> but since micahg mentioned that ubuntu's stuff like software-center (which we're using atm) will most likely use gtk3 it'll be a mess
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:22] <drc> Bah...Humbug...no images at all :(
[14:22] <drc> Might as well go back to bed.
[15:17] <drc> Introducing Newbird (<sing>Gone away is the bluebird, here to stay is the newbird</sing>) http://imagebin.org/156091
[15:18] <drc> Now ochosi can go on to gtk3, I have my gtk2 theme :)
[15:34] <charlie-tca> ochosi: might help with transitioning to gtk3 - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033299.html
[16:57] <ochosi> charlie-tca: thanks, will have a look at that as soon as i start with gtk3
[16:57] <charlie-tca> it is a listing of progress integrating into Oneiric, no gtk3 themes at this time
[16:59] <ochosi> i talked to the guys in #murrine, there is an unfinished port of the current ubuntu theme in gtk3 already
[16:59] <ochosi> but it's still wip
[16:59] <ochosi> i hope they'll give me some support as soon as i start
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: can you make a meeting at 22:00 UTC on Sundays?
[17:25] <Soupermanito> 22UTC gotta figure out what time is that brb
[17:27] <Soupermanito> 19hs :D
[17:27] <Soupermanito> yes yes i can
[17:27] <Soupermanito> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=5&month=6&year=2011&p1=0&p2=51&p3=-1&p4=-1
[17:29] <Soupermanito> say charlie-tca should i zsync the xubuntu 11.04 alternate that i have now, or should i download a new image to do the proper testing whenever it is?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> hm, we have that already here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:29] <charlie-tca> no, don't sync yet. We do not have good images yet
[17:30] <charlie-tca> The images are not usable at all yet
[17:30] <Soupermanito> ok, just asking
[17:30] <Soupermanito> but using the 11.04 iso to do the zsync is a good idea? or should i download a complete new image?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> We will have meetings alternating on Monday and Sunday, Monday at 19:00 and Sunday at 22:00, so maybe everyone that wants to can make one or two meetings a month, at least.
[17:31] <Soupermanito> also i will have to download the x64 images
[17:31] <charlie-tca> yes, zsync to 11.04 is good. It is still faster than a full download
[17:31] <Soupermanito> :) sundays are better for me
[17:31] <Soupermanito> thank you charlie-tca :D
[17:31] <charlie-tca> yup, but I don't want to give up every Sunday
[17:32] <Soupermanito> no, i understand
[17:37] <ubuntu_> i was wondering when the daily-live .isos for xubuntu 11.10 would be out
[17:39] <Soupermanito> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[17:40] <charlie-tca> when they are published. It could be a while yet
[17:40] <charlie-tca> We may not have daily-live images until alpha2
[17:43] <micahg> mr_pouit: charlie-tca I think it's gdm pulling in the GNOME stuff (gnome-session-bin I think now pulls in the unity stack(
[17:43] <charlie-tca> great :-(
[17:43] <charlie-tca> so, replacing gdm might be the easiest way to make it work?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: rdepends shows ubuntu-desktop, which will pull in everything Ubuntu installs
[17:51] <charlie-tca> never mind. that is wrong
[17:52] <charlie-tca> micahg: here's a hint:  <cjwatson> charlie-tca: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.oneiric/rdepends/ALL/notification-daemon is probably more useful
[17:53] <micahg> charlie-tca: yeah, just got there
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Do we have to keep xfce4-notifyd for alpha1?
[17:54] <micahg> do you want notifications working?
[17:55] <Soupermanito> XD
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I suppose it would be nice, but it would be better just to an image
[18:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: sorry, my germinate foo isn't that good
[18:03] <charlie-tca> That's okay, mine is pretty bad.
[18:04] <micahg> the thing is xfce4-notifyd provides that package
[18:04] <micahg> and conflicts properly...
[18:05] <charlie-tca> if it is a choice between alpha1 without notifications and no alpha1, take the alpha1
[18:06] <charlie-tca> We have a few hours yet, but we need this to happen by about 13:00 UTC Wednesday to give time for testing
[18:33] <micahg> charlie-tca: cjwatson figured it out and is fixing
[18:44]  * micahg thinks his unity issues is due to all the apps installed on his xubuntu machine :)
[19:45] <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, xubuntu natty on my armel machine is beautiful :)
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Great! We are very thankful to cjwatson around!
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I didn't think we had an armel build yet?
[20:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: I just installed xubuntu-desktop :)
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Why do we an armel build then?
[20:30] <micahg> charlie-tca: so people can do a clean install?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah
[20:39] <charlie-tca> micahg: thank you very much for trying to fix the issues today!
[20:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: heh, don't know if I actually did  anything
[20:43] <charlie-tca> you did. I have noticed that if we try to fix things, we get help. If we ignore it, we get no help.
[20:54] <micahg> well, I now know better how to track these things down
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Good, because I still seem lost
[21:00] <Soupermanito> XD
[21:00] <Soupermanito> lol charlie-tca
[21:00] <ochosi> charlie-tca: so what do you think about the panel? any feelings yet or shall i come back tomorrow? :)
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I would still like a touch more difference between the active and selected buttons, but it works very good now that I blued the white on screen
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I guess I preferr blue over bright yellow
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I think we go for it
[21:04]  * Soupermanito seconds because he likes blue bottons
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to turn buttons blue
[21:04] <Soupermanito> XD
[21:05] <Soupermanito> me neither
[21:05] <Soupermanito> i haven't even figured out why the folders on my ~/home doesnt change whit the theme
[21:06] <ochosi> charlie-tca: so i'll push the panel changes now and we continue to tweak it until final release, ok with you?
[21:06] <Soupermanito> it might be that thunar doesnt have different icons for xdg folders, even when i thing it should
[21:07] <ochosi> Soupermanito: thunar respects xdg-user-dirs and at least xubuntu's default icon theme has special icons for them
[21:07] <Soupermanito> :( well all mine look the same
[21:07] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/156149
[21:08] <ochosi> Soupermanito: you can edit/change that in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[21:09] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/156150
[21:09] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I would hope you are way better at blue tinting than me!
[21:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hehe, i would hope so too ;)
[21:09] <ochosi> no, if you need help with the blue i can help
[21:09] <charlie-tca> but it is working!
[21:10] <ochosi> yeah, it looks good
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I had to tone the white down
[21:10] <ochosi> would be too intense for me
[21:10] <charlie-tca> gray washes out my text, and yellow is worse than white
[21:11] <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, http://imagebin.org/156152
[21:11] <Soupermanito> the Video Imagenes and Download folders should have individual icons acording xdg
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I can't work with the transparency stuff
[21:12] <charlie-tca> It looks like you do everything on one workspace. I spread out a lot, got 10 of them now
[21:12] <Soupermanito> XD
[21:12] <charlie-tca> But I always open the same things on each workspace, so I know firefox is on space 3
[21:12] <charlie-tca> email on 4, etc
[21:12] <Soupermanito> i cant do stuff on other desktops
[21:13] <Soupermanito> i forget about them
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I think that is one of the greatest things there is in linux
[21:13] <Soupermanito> :) i guess
[21:13] <Soupermanito> it one of the first thing i delete everytime
[21:14] <Soupermanito> I tend to forget about the "s" on words thoo
[21:14] <Soupermanito> and to add stuff to words, like an h to too
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I was doing it in DOS using Desqview way back, then I couldn't make windows do it right for nothing
[21:16] <ochosi> Soupermanito: so have you tried editing the file i pointed you to?
[21:17] <Soupermanito> ochosi, i don't know what to do to it
[21:17] <Soupermanito> i don't know how does xdg works
[21:17] <Soupermanito> or how to call the icons, it is calling the proper names for the folders
[21:17] <ochosi> Soupermanito: you can edit it in any editor, it's a simple list, just look at it, it's pretty self explanatory
[21:17] <Soupermanito> lemme pastebin it
[21:17] <Soupermanito> i know
[21:17] <Soupermanito> but what to do whit it?
[21:18] <ochosi> the left column is the xdg-user-dir list, the right column are the folder names you're using for those dirs
[21:18] <Soupermanito> http://pastebin.com/jgr2ypEU
[21:18] <ochosi> if the stuff on the right column doesn't exactly match the stuff in your homedir, then it won't work
[21:18] <Soupermanito> its all correct as far i can understand
[21:18] <Soupermanito> but it doesnt work
[21:19] <ochosi> hm, try "thunar -q" from a terminal and then start thunar again
[21:20] <Soupermanito> ochosi, http://imagebin.org/156155
[21:20] <Soupermanito> no luck
[21:22] <ochosi> strange, worksforme
[21:22] <Soupermanito> indeed
[21:23] <Soupermanito> thats what im saying, i can't remember if it was working on a fresh install
[21:23] <Soupermanito> oh oh so i have a bug?
[21:23] <Soupermanito> :D can i fill a bug report?
[21:24] <Soupermanito> i wanna learn to fill a bug report :D
[21:24] <ochosi> you can file a bug report, but first you should search whether there's already a bugreport concerned with your problem
[21:24] <Soupermanito> correct
[21:24] <Soupermanito> where does one search such stuff?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> What's Soupermanito filing against?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I search at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[21:25] <charlie-tca> but google works too and is sometimes easier for people to use
[21:26] <Soupermanito> xdg icons for folders don't work for me charlie-tca
[21:26] <charlie-tca> google for thunar xubuntu
[21:26] <charlie-tca> google for thunar xubuntu xdg icons
[21:26] <charlie-tca> and tell it you want all words included in each article
[21:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: what package is that in?
[21:32] <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, remember that problem opening thunar i told you the other day
[21:32] <Soupermanito> it happened again
[21:32] <Soupermanito> http://imagebin.org/156158
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs
[21:33] <charlie-tca> to file the bug, use       ubuntu-bug xdg-user-dirs
[21:34] <Soupermanito> :) ok
[21:34] <charlie-tca> That one goes against      ubuntu-bug thunar
[21:34] <charlie-tca> and include the screenshot as an attachment
[21:34] <Soupermanito> ok
[21:35] <Soupermanito> and i explain how did it happened?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> yes, please
[21:35] <drc> Soupermanito: Is that trying to USB drive?
[21:35] <Soupermanito> no
[21:36] <Soupermanito> just /home to see how the icons should look like
[21:36] <charlie-tca> when you file, you will be asked for a summary first. That is the bug report title. Then you will get a big box to enter comments. That's where you explain what you were doing.
[21:41] <Soupermanito> what should i entitle it? thunar lags and prompts error on first opening?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> "Thunar lags and prompts error on first opening" is a good title
[21:41] <Soupermanito> :D
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: looks to me like that thunar bug is really bug 136940
[21:54] <charlie-tca> which is fixed in Oneiric, needs to be fixed in natty
[21:54] <micahg> that hasn't had a new upstream release in forever
[21:55] <charlie-tca> read on. thunar 1.2.2 fixed it
[21:55] <charlie-tca> rather, xfce4-places-plugin-1.2.0-3  fixed it
[21:55] <micahg> oh, right, they pulled patches from upstream
[21:56] <micahg> still, no upstream release in 2 years
[21:56] <charlie-tca> which we just synced
[21:56] <charlie-tca> who's upgrading it then? there is a new plugin release for oneiric
[21:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: porting like that is risky in an SRU
[21:57] <charlie-tca> or is this the first new release in two years?
[21:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, it was a Debian patch, note the number after the dash increased
[21:57] <charlie-tca> I know. I don't know that we can do it, but individuals can try it if desired
[21:57] <charlie-tca> I see. I didn't look close enough
[21:58]  * charlie-tca didn't know that was what the  dash number was, either.
[21:58] <Soup|irssi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/790898
[21:59] <micahg> I love that, "obviously safe patch", it's 1660+ lines
[21:59] <Soupermanito> yes sorry
[21:59] <Soupermanito> irssiing
[21:59] <charlie-tca> yeah, and it did not crash one system
[21:59] <charlie-tca> we didn't care. We can talk about you anyway
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I think you should look at bug 136940
[22:02] <Soupermanito> anyway all i wanted is to see how the xdg icons should look like and to check the xdg
[22:03] <Soupermanito> user-dirs.dirs
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That is a different bug. This one should be that error you get trying to mount a folder
[22:04] <Soupermanito> yes
[22:04] <Soupermanito> i know
[22:05] <Soupermanito> thats why i didn't even mentioned that on the bug report
[22:05] <Soupermanito> i hope i did it correctly
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I will go look
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: yup, looks good to me
[22:09] <Soupermanito> :D
[22:09] <Soupermanito> my first bug report
[22:10] <Soupermanito> wait should i just keep using my old nick there, or change my nick here...
[22:10] <Soupermanito> i think i will do the second
[22:10] <charlie-tca> gonna take the puppy outside now
[22:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: should I reply on the places SRU bug?
[22:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: it would qualify for a backport though
[22:16] <charlie-tca> If you want, sure. You know better than I do
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Of course, the user doesn't care if it sru or backport, as long they can get something usable
[22:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: done
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:20]  * micahg also could in theory almost approve the backport...
[22:20] <charlie-tca> GridCube would really appreciate that, if mr_pouit doesn't mind
[22:22] <GridCube> I don't really follow you people, you speak at one or two levels beyond me
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Trying to fix that thunar bug for you
[22:23] <GridCube> oh
[22:23] <GridCube> :D
[22:23] <GridCube> that would be really nice to do, not just for me but for any other person who have it :P
[22:23]  * micahg missed part of this conversation
[22:24] <charlie-tca> hm, I am going to have to reboot soon, I can't even close a VBox window by killing vbox in task manager
[22:24] <GridCube> :D i filled my first ever bug report :P
[22:25] <charlie-tca> micahg: I am pretty sure that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/790898 is a dup of the bug wanting the backport
[22:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, the backport was for the places plugin, this is tunar
[22:25] <micahg> *thunar
[22:26] <charlie-tca> It is only thunar because I told him file it against thunar
[22:26] <charlie-tca> He gets the same error
[22:27] <micahg> well, the places plugin will only fix the places plugin, if thunar needs a patch, that's a different story
[22:27] <charlie-tca> true
[22:28] <Soup|irssi> oh, interesting, if i dont close the warning prompt, i cant use the desktop
[22:29] <charlie-tca> That would be logical
[22:30] <GridCube> i guess so, i was trying to open the folder from the desktop icon
[22:31]  * drc notes another reason not to use desktop icons
[22:35] <GridCube> XD
[22:35] <GridCube> i just choosed that option instead of the pseudo-dock to open the home folder


[01:07] <JayWalker_> Anyone here versed in apache and rewrite rules? I only ask here because there's no apache IRC afaik
[01:18] <panfist> i'm not sure if this is an ubuntu question or if it's more application-specific,
[01:18] <panfist> i was wondering what's a good strategy to maintain a shared environment between hosts, for example when you have a testing and staging server, and several workstations supporting those servers
[01:18] <panfist> the testing and staging server are running some version of python for example and set of modules,
[01:18] <panfist> i'm guessing you can configure those on the servers and mount them read only on the workstations or something like that,
[01:24] <twb> JayWalker_: #httpd
[01:24] <JayWalker_> thanks
[01:48] <panfist> is it possible to set up something like a package server, where if you mark and install a package on the main machine, that package is pushed to other machines?
[02:10] <twb> panfist: puppet
[02:10] <twb> panfist: or dpkg --get-selections | ssh otherhost dpkg --set-selections, but really you want puppet
[04:02] <Takyoji> Sssoooooo, would it be stupid to force the unmounting of a harddrive that has potentially failed (as there's IO errors when accessing it), even though when you try unmounting it says 'device is busy'? :P
[04:08] <twb> Takyoji: no, but it's unlikely to work
[04:08] <twb> Takyoji: first you should kill off any procs not in D that are trying to access it
[04:09] <Takyoji> any way to list such?
[04:09] <twb> lsof
[04:10] <Takyoji> lsof | grep (name of the mount point)
[04:10] <Takyoji> yes?
[04:10] <Zanzacar> Hi, I have recently started up a media server and looking for ways to reduce my overall power bill I thought I might install powernap. That being said I have been trying to edit the config file to not fall asleep while apache is reading or writing to the hard drive. Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this?
[04:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> servers are in general always on.  what makes you think that it is taking up the most of your power bill?  there's definitely other items that eat more power than a server ;P
[04:18] <Zanzacar> Thats probably very true, but I only use the server at home for specific things like streaming videos to my TV.
[04:18] <Zanzacar> No reason to power something that isnt going tobe used.
[04:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> then why run a server at all :P
[04:19] <Zanzacar> well isnt going to be used all the time haha.
[04:19] <Zanzacar> no reason to have a light on in a room your not going to be in.
[04:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> (btw, afaik, there's no way to differentiate between read/write processes and idle state)
[04:20] <Zanzacar> Powernap has monitors for IO,TCP,Process,Loads etc.
[04:21] <Zanzacar> I read the man page, changed the debug settings to output more information, read the config files and I am kind of at a losss.
[05:43] <Zanzacar> Hi everyone I was looking for some help on setting up SSH on a server. I have it all setup where I can login through SSH through the same local network but I would like to do it from outside my home network. How can I do that? Additionally does that open up other computers on the network to security riskes?
[06:49] <thevinci> hey folks, I have set up a computer in my house as an ubuntu server. I've got vsftpd installed, and some files in folders, now I'm trying to figure out what to do to access them from my laptop
[06:49] <thevinci> I've tried Places<Connect to Server
[06:50] <thevinci> and then I enter the IP of my server, right?
[06:52] <thevinci> cuz that ain't working for me...
[07:13] <greppy> thevinci: what is running on your laptop?
[07:17] <thevinci> greppy: ubuntu 10.04 desktop
[07:25] <greppy> thevinci: did you select FTP with login?
[07:34] <thevinci> greppy: I've gotten past the ftp hurdle, I am now able to view and write files on my server from my laptop
[07:34] <thevinci> greppy: and as a kicker! I figured out that I can mount my usb harddrive in my ftp directory and access it from there!
[07:34] <greppy> heh
[07:35] <greppy> you could also use sftp ( included with openssh-server ) to do it securely
[07:35] <thevinci> greppy: any suggestions now on how to get connected to an xbox 360? heh... I'd like to stream videos to it
[07:35] <Gerowen> How is everyone?
[07:36] <Gerowen> thevinci: I used this for the longest time to stream videos to both my PS3 and 360 from my Linux box, http://www.ps3mediaserver.org
[07:38] <thevinci> Gerowen: is that a package I can install on my server?
[07:38] <Gerowen> I just downloaded the tarball from their website, it runs with Java
[07:38] <Gerowen> You can have it run as a service so you don't have to have a GUI
[07:38] <thevinci> that's what I'm looking for! :)
[07:39] <thevinci> I'm assuming all the info regarding such is found through the link? ;)
[07:39] <Gerowen> Yep, I haven't used it in a little over a year, but last time I did it worked pretty good.
[07:40] <thevinci> I'm assuming I want to look under the "install on a headless ubuntu server" section?
[07:40] <thevinci> I'm only guessing that headless refers to no gui?
[07:41] <Gerowen> yep
[07:41] <Gerowen> Well I'm going to head out, catch ya later everyone.
[07:42] <thevinci> thanks for the tips Gerowen! Big help!
[08:05] <thevinci> problem, I use command 'ftp localhost' from my server, login, and then I can connect from my laptop, BUT! I want to also do other things on the server while this is going on. only way I can see to do this, is to quit ftp localhost, which ends my connection from my laptop.
[08:06] <thevinci> never mind... I just added '&' after 'ftp localhost' and that worked!
[08:14] <lynxman> morning everyone o/
[09:09] <jamespage> morning all
[09:24] <gnuyoga> morning
[09:28] <RoyK> mrnng
[09:30] <markatto> I am trying to file a bug on launchpad, but I can't figure out how. The "report a bug" button just sends me to a page with instructions on how to use some gui thing.
[09:31] <nigelb> markatto: Its not only a gui thing.
[09:31] <nigelb> apport-cli exists
[09:32] <markatto> nigelb: can you point me at instructions?
[09:32] <nigelb> markatto: I'm pretty sure you can just do 'ubuntu-bug packagename', the page you got sent to should have detailed instructions :)
[09:34] <markatto> nigelb: the instructions all refer to gui boxes popping up and getting sent to a webpage, but I'll try ubuntu-bug
[09:34] <nigelb> markatto: I can sum up in a minute anyway.
[09:35] <markatto> there is no `ubuntu-bug` command, btw
[09:35] <nigelb> (1) Find your package. If you know the binary, do a "which binary" to find the path the binary. THen do dpkg -S /path/to/binary to find the package
[09:36] <nigelb> (2) You can either do "ubuntu-bug package", or "apport-cli package"
[09:37] <nigelb> markatto: That's strange. Which release? Do you have apport installed?
[09:37] <markatto> 10.04 server
[09:37] <markatto> I am installing the apport package now
[09:37] <nigelb> My 10.04 servers do have apport.
[09:38] <nigelb> While you can override this, its nicer to file a bug with apport since it most of the time collects a bunch of relevant information which makes triaging easier.
[09:38] <nigelb> Or else, you're going to go back and forth to get the right info.
[09:39] <markatto> nigelb: I think i've got it
[09:39] <nigelb> \o/
[09:39] <markatto> i viewed the report and it didn't have that much relevant stuff in it
[09:40] <markatto> imho this is unecessarily convoluted
[09:40] <nigelb> Yeah, I'm goign to bring it up to bug squad.
[09:40] <nigelb> This is certainly painful for server.
[09:40] <nigelb> markatto: which package was this btw?
[09:41] <markatto> rsyslog-gnutls
[09:41] <nigelb> It probably doesn't have a hook.
[09:41] <nigelb> Packages with hooks have beautiful functionality from apport. However, I see your point.
[09:42] <nigelb> markatto: Could you link me to the wiki page (I don't get there, bug control member)
[09:42] <nigelb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ?
[09:42] <markatto> yeah that
[09:42] <nigelb> markatto: For future, use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net
[09:43] <markatto> mmk
[09:43] <markatto> debian and fedora are much simpler than this
[09:43] <lynxman> jamespage: morningsir
[09:43] <nigelb> markatto: heh, I might disagree about debian  ;)
[09:44] <nigelb> Although debian bug reporting awakens the geek in me
[09:44] <markatto> nigelb: well, regardless, the package works in debian ;)
[09:49] <ersi> markatto: thanks for taking time reporting/trying to report an issue :)
[09:50] <markatto> ersi: yeah it sucks that a web search turns up many people with the same problem, but no bugs have been filed
[09:51] <ersi> yeah, that always sucks quite hard
[09:52] <markatto> even worse is that it is 5 am and I need this working by tomorrow
[09:53] <markatto> so i'm probably going to have to build a new package myself
[10:12] <koolhead17> hi all
[10:13] <markatto> is there a way to attach multiple files in launchpad, or should I just tar them up?
[10:34] <thevinci> AGGH! I just ran a process on my server, command line, ya know? And now after the print out, I'm left with a blinking cursor stuck in the process! How do I get out!?
[10:34] <thevinci> 'quit' 'exit' and 'escape' did not work
[10:37] <markatto> thevinci: ctrl+c
[10:38] <thevinci> I tried that. it just printed a bunch of gibberish on the screen, kinda like when I try to use arrow keys right now
[10:38] <nigelb> maybe break out of the ssh session?
[10:38] <nigelb>  Enter + ~ + .
[10:38] <markatto> thevinci: some programs will terminate with ctrl+d (EOL)
[10:39] <markatto> or, open a new shell and kill the process
[10:40] <markatto> or try ctrl+z to pause it
[10:40] <thevinci> thank you! Swithcing to a different console helped
[10:41] <thevinci> I didn't know I could do that in a server setting. Just started this project this week
[10:42] <markatto> thevinci: you are physically in front of the server and using keyboard + monitor?
[10:42] <thevinci> yes
[10:43] <markatto> ctrl+alt+[F1-F6] are all getty instances on most linux installs
[10:43] <thevinci> I knew I could do that in my ubuntu desktop, just never made the corralation to the server side. lol
[10:44] <thevinci> like I said, just started this this week. been using ubuntu desktop for a few years now though. exited to dive deeper in to the command line O.o
[10:50] <sanderj_> Why is my load average 18.00 14.21 12.21, when my processes isn't using more than 20% cpu and memory?
[10:51] <maswan> most likely waiting for disk access
[10:54] <markatto> or network i/o
[10:54] <markatto> but probably disk
[10:54] <markatto> sanderj_: check iostat
[11:40] <thevinci> Anyone know a good service for streaming video from ubuntu server to xbox 360?
[11:41] <thevinci> I already have FTP, and DAAP set up and working, but neither of those work with the 360, nor does mediatomb
[11:58] <markatto> thevinci: google says uShare
[11:59] <thevinci> thanks markatto, I'll check that out
[11:59] <thevinci> believe me, I've been googling, lol, just didn't come up with that one yet
[12:38] <lynxman> koolhead17: hey, morning ;)
[12:38] <koolhead17> hello lynxman :)
[12:40] <thevinci> any of you familiar with Samba?
[12:40] <koolhead17> thevinci: the dance ?
[12:40] <koolhead17> :D
[12:41] <thevinci> lol, no the file sharing protocol
[12:41] <lynxman> thevinci: rather than ask to ask, ask away your question, I'm sure someone will pick it up :)
[12:41] <koolhead17> indeed thevinci :)
[12:41] <thevinci> I'm trying to set up my ubuntu server with samba. I've followed a tutorial and i think I've configured it right, but I can't connect to it from my laptop
[12:42] <thevinci> I have samba installed on my laptop as well
[12:43] <thevinci> When I click on the network folder in ubuntu, all it shows me is 'windows networks' and when I click that, it tells me it can't connect to the server
[12:43] <lynxman> thevinci: any error on the logs?
[12:43] <lynxman> thevinci: /var/log/samba/*log on the server side
[12:44] <thevinci> lemme check lynxman...
[12:44] <koolhead17> thevinci: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html  is this the guide you followed?
[12:45] <thevinci> lynxman, it tells me no such file or directory exists
[12:45] <thevinci> and yes, that's the one i started with koolhead17
[12:46] <koolhead17> thevinci: is the service running
[12:46] <jamespage> iscsi root testing beckons this afternoon
[12:46] <jamespage> w00t
[12:47] <thevinci> well, when I tell it to start samba by 'sudo start samba' I get 'start: unknown job: samba
[12:47] <thevinci> =/
[12:48] <thevinci> smb doesn't work either
[12:48] <koolhead17> thevinci: so the service is not running it means
[12:48] <koolhead17> jamespage: :)
[12:48] <koolhead17> Daviey: hey
[12:48] <smb> thevinci, How can you say that?
[12:49] <thevinci> lol, sorry, was referring to a command, not you smb
[12:49] <thevinci> and yeah, that's what it looks like koolhead17
[12:49] <koolhead17> kim0: can you point me to the paste link of server guide. i need to check what all chapters is left and under me :D
[12:49]  * smb just had to jump on that opportunity
[12:49] <kim0> koolhead17: http://pad.ubuntu.com/serverguide
[12:50] <thevinci> i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail
[12:50] <kim0> koolhead17: if you wanna take one of the others .. feel free :D
[12:50] <koolhead17> kim0: i remember you told me that some more have been assigned under my belt. :)
[12:50] <kim0> koolhead17: did you try the core thing?
[12:50] <kim0> koolhead17: yes .. etckeeper I believe
[12:51] <koolhead17> kim0:  i will do etckeeper once am home
[12:51] <kim0> great
[12:51] <kim0> thanks man
[12:51] <thevinci> Is 'smbd' the same as samba?
[12:51] <koolhead17> thevinci: yes that is the daemon :)
[12:51] <thevinci> am I missing something installed on the laptop side of things?
[12:51] <koolhead17> thevinci: read the documentation once more
[12:52] <koolhead17> :)
[12:52] <thevinci> Ok, well, 'smbd' runs and restarts just fine
[12:52] <koolhead17> kim0: i have no KVM here, i have to use on virtualbox
[12:53] <koolhead17> thevinci: read the manual once again my suggestion would be to you.  And see if you missed adding something in the configuration file
[12:57] <koolhead17> kim0: no one is doing the web server part?
[12:57] <koolhead17> i can add myself to apache2 and php thing as well :p
[13:00] <hallyn_> smoser: do you still see bug 863629 on occasion?
[13:00] <smoser> where is mup?
[13:02] <smoser> hallyn_, i haven't seen it since the time i was looking at it.
[13:02] <smoser> but i haven't been trying
[13:03] <smoser> where did uvirtbot go ?
[13:03] <hallyn_> smoser: ok, thanks.  I think that the lxc_driver was dying before thte lxc_controller got going
[13:03] <smoser> anyone know ?
[13:03] <smoser> Daviey, ?
[13:03] <hallyn_> I'm going to leave it sit for now then
[13:03] <smoser> hallyn_, i can try today to run the same thing and see if i hit it.
[13:04] <smoser> regarding uvirtbot, i have:
[13:04] <smoser> 10/02/11 05:55:03 <--   uvirtbot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[13:04] <smoser> time is eastern
[13:04] <Daviey> smoser: o/
[13:05] <smoser> do you know who ran uvirtbot daviey?
[13:05] <Daviey> smoser: uvirtbot is run by soren.. i assume it's poorly, and he hasn't noticed.  If it doesn't come back by end of week, we'll enable ubottu.
[13:05] <Daviey> I'm sure soren will resolve it when he notices.
[13:08] <kim0> koolhead17: check the list I emailed the server list .. only the mysql guy replied .. any other chapter, you can take .. just put your name on it, that would be very great. Thanks man
[13:08] <koolhead17> kim0: just added :D
[13:10] <kim0> koolhead17: woohoo
[13:14] <thevinci> read the manual again, cleaned up config file, still, when I click 'networks' i get failed to retrieve share list from server
[13:14] <thevinci> I know you don't have all the specific answers, just wondering if you can help point me in a good direction.
[13:23] <smoser> i think we should at least have a public git branch that includes the ubuntu fixes for opesnstack components.
[13:35] <lynxman> zuping
[13:35] <lynxman> zul: ping
[13:35] <lynxman> smoser: hey :)
[13:37] <smoser> hey.
[15:02] <JohnRandom> good evening
[15:02] <JohnRandom> quick question: I get "gcc: readline/libreadline.a: No such file or directory" during compilation of the python-django source … libreadline6-dev is installed … am I missing something?
[15:29] <jamespage> negronjl: around?
[15:37] <negronjl> jamespage: here
[15:37] <jamespage> negronjl, hey
[15:37] <negronjl> jamespage: hi
[15:38] <jamespage> negronjl: 1) I just finished a load of work on the tomcat7 juju charm - OK if I retro fit to the tomcat6 one?
[15:38] <jamespage> and 2) have you had a chance to look at the cassandra charm changes I proposed?
[15:39] <negronjl> jamespage: sure on the tomcat6 retro-fit.  don't remember the changes on cassandra.. can you tell me again?
[15:40] <jamespage> negronjl, http://tinyurl.com/3mt2ur6
[15:41] <jamespage> I did a bit of refactoring into a single script;
[15:41] <jamespage> and worked on the peering/cluster seeding so it requires less restarts of cassandra instances
[15:42] <jamespage> its still a little deficient in that it does not deal that well with units being removed
[15:42] <negronjl> jamespage: interesting... I don't remember seeing this at all... did you talk to me about this before and I just don't remember ( i must be going crazier than I thought ).  Give me a minute or two to read it over.
[15:42] <jamespage> negronjl, I did not talk to you about it - but requested a review from you
[15:43] <negronjl> jamespage: hmm... I approved it.  thanks for the changes.
[15:43] <negronjl> jamespage: interestingly enough, I received no email or notification ( that I can think of ) about it.  heh....water under the bridge now.
[15:44] <jamespage> negronjl, any chance you could update the ownership of lp:charm/cassandra to charmers?
[15:44] <jamespage> That way I can push it myself
[15:46] <negronjl> jamespage: done.  I also changed all of my charms that have been merged into lp:charm to charmers....sorry for the delay on this.
[15:47] <negronjl> jamespage: I have been out of work for a few days and have not kept up with things.
[15:47] <jamespage> negronjl, np - that was the only piece that was stalled :-)
[16:17] <Daviey> utlemming / smoser: do the cloud images not do a daily apt-get update?
[16:18] <smoser> what does that mean
[16:19] <Daviey> smoser: desktop, and unless i am mistaken - has a daily cron task of doing an "apt-get update" to reflect the current cache
[16:20] <smoser> Daviey, i do not believe they do.  I do not believe that the default server installation does that.
[16:20] <smoser> if default server does, and cloud images do not, then we should fix that.
[16:21] <smoser> if you're just saying "why dont we test the mirrors more frequently?", we can probably have that done.
[16:22] <smoser> utlemming, i'm thinking that we could add code to the publishing process that used python-apt to check mirrors.  and just report failures.
[16:23] <Daviey> smoser: hmm, /etc/cron.daily/apt is present
[16:24] <utlemming> Daviey: what are you seeing that is prompting the question?
[16:24] <Daviey> utlemming: I was suprised to not see any pending updates, on a 8 day old cloud image
[16:27] <rbasak> Does it prompt for something related to updates at installation time?
[16:27] <utlemming> Daviey: did an apt-get update show
[16:27] <Daviey> no
[16:27] <rbasak> Presumably the cloud images are built with a preseed
[16:28] <utlemming> one of the final build processes is to run "apt-get update"
[16:28] <Daviey> 11.04 Server iso =
[16:28] <Daviey> dave@bootie:~$ apt-config shell UpdateInterval APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists
[16:28] <Daviey> UpdateInterval='1'
[16:29] <Daviey> It's null on the cloud images.
[16:29] <smoser> well what is modifying that ?
[16:30] <utlemming> I wonder if that is live build....
[16:31] <utlemming> live-build has the options of "--yes --force-yes -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True -o Acquire::Retries=3 -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=true"
[16:31]  * utlemming checks to see if those options are written out
[16:38] <utlemming> so it looks like live-build does de-configure the apt config when the chroot is torn down
[16:39]  * utlemming looks to fix the problem
[16:41] <Daviey> utlemming: cool.
[16:52] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/862129 seems to be causing upgrades to fail for quite a lot of people - I've tracked down a number of duplicates. Can someone comment on my patch please?
[17:05] <Zanzacar> I have a remote server and I was wondering how might you find out if someone has tried to brute force your SSH?
[17:12] <Kiall> Hi All - Trying out Oneiric server (Beta 2, all updates applied) and am getting occasional Kernel Oops with KVM.. Anyone around who can help debug the issue?
[17:13] <jamespage> Daviey, SpamapS: iscsi root gets installed with a 'manual' entry for eth0 - and the network failsafe stuff then kicks in
[17:13] <jamespage> any ideas?
[17:13] <Daviey> jamespage: is that a regression?
[17:14] <jamespage> Daviey: not sure - if you remember for beta-2 it would not boot at-all
[17:14] <jamespage> I think it was OK before that tho
[17:15] <Daviey> jamespage: can you raise a bug with that?
[17:15] <jamespage> Daviey: sure
[17:16] <Daviey> jamespage: I think it needs to be confirmed to be a regression (from Natty), before we consider fixing it.
[17:16] <Daviey> If it is a regression, we could probably target a fix - otherwise it's one for P.
[17:17] <jamespage> Daviey: ack - I need to take a break now but I will be back later
[17:17] <Daviey> jamespage: oh sure.. i don't want you panicing over it.  If we know before 10:00 Monday, that would be rocking.
[17:18] <Daviey> adam_g: around?
[17:19] <bau-> hi all, i'm configuring postfix to simply send an email from a php page. I have done everything, but when I receive the mail, is says: from: www-data@what i want how can I change www-data with something else?
[17:44] <Kiall> anyone know if I've filed this oneiric kernel/kvm/openstack kernel oops bug with all the necessary info? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/870168
[18:26] <utlemming> Daviey: still awake?
[18:35] <Daviey> utlemming: yup
[18:38] <Doonz> how can i find out what is accessing my device /dev/sdc1 my system claims its busy yet lsof and fuser dont list anything
[18:39] <utlemming> Daviey: I just installed a server from the daily ISO, and APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists is not set
[18:40] <Daviey> Hmm, interesting.. it is set on natty. :/
[18:40] <utlemming> Daviey: that was with a minimal install.
[18:40] <Daviey> You get a null return?
[18:40] <utlemming> correct
[18:40] <utlemming> I checked my Beta1 install and it had it set
[18:40] <Daviey> utlemming: you installed from beta 1, or upgraded from prior?
[18:41] <utlemming> Daviey: test1) beta1 install, upgraded - good
[18:41] <utlemming> test2) daily server install - bad
[18:43] <utlemming> Daviey: do you know what package sets that value?
[18:44] <hggdh> Daviey: bug 870212 should aat least be mentioned on the release notes, I think
[18:44] <hggdh> hell, where is the bot?
[18:44] <hggdh> Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/870212
[18:45] <jamespage> Daviey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/870214
[18:57] <Daviey> jamespage: ta
[18:57] <Daviey> utlemming: no, sorry.
[18:57] <jamespage> Daviey: effects auth and unauth amd64
[18:57] <jamespage> just going to regression test natty
[18:57] <Daviey> thanks hggdh
[19:23] <consumerism> on my ubuntu nfs server i am looking at htop and the total of all the reported processes memory usage is less than 5%, but about 4.5GB out of 8GB are used (green) in htop, and free -m agrees (-/+ buffers/cache:       4419). how can i see what's using up all the memory?
[19:25] <consumerism> in top, if i sort by %MEM, only the top few processes are using more than 0 and each of them only use 1 or 2 %.
[19:26] <consumerism> yet...Mem:   7358492k total,  7321908k used,    36584k free,     2368k buffers. so about 4.5GB should be used by user processes right? where are they?
[19:36] <Kiall> consumerism, try "free -m" on the command line ..
[19:37] <Kiall> the free amount on the +/- buffers col is what's actually free
[19:55] <RobinBAwesome> hi, i'm trying to edit the 10.04 minimal iso with a preseed, and after the installer configures DHCP it just hangs for a couple minutes before moving on on a blue screen. the log says "net-retriever:". what could this be?
[19:56] <RobinBAwesome> the install continues, but it seems like it's timing out. i've tried it both without modification and against a local apt cache with the same results
[20:12] <soren> Daviey: I'll take a look at uvirtbot.
[20:14] <Daviey> soren: good sushi
[20:14] <consumerism> Kiall: quoting myself from my first message: "free -m agrees (-/+ buffers/cache:       4419)"
[20:15] <soren> Daviey: Weird. Supy still lives, but it's just not connected.
[20:15] <iggi_> Hello, I seem to have a problem with emulating PFSense 2.0 on QEMU-KVM 0.14.0 and Ubuntu 11.04, I have it running on another machine with Ubuntu 10.10 and QEMU-KVM 0.12.5. Whenever I start the virtual machine it loads the boot menu on the live CD and then locks up in a few seconds effectively using 100% of the cpu
[20:15] <consumerism> Kiall: i want to know which processes are using that memory since top and htop only list a few processes using any memory at all, and the total % is less than 5. i want to know what processes are using the other 95% of the memory which free -m reports used.
[20:15] <Daviey> soren: blame freenode, bet it got lost in a netsplit
[20:16] <soren> INFO 2011-10-02T10:06:56 supybot Error message from freenode: Ping sent at 2011-10-02T10:04:55 not replied to.
[20:16] <soren> Then nothing.
[20:16] <Daviey> freenode is so rude
[20:17] <Daviey> soren: maybe if you were running smosos it would have been reliable.
[20:18] <Kiall> consumerism: if "free -m" said "(-/+ buffers/cache:       4419)" .. then you have 4.4GB free, while top said you had 36584k free..
[20:18] <soren> Daviey: I'm not the target audience, I'm afraid. :(
[20:18] <Kiall> the difference is the disk cache, and its usable free RAM, just linux decides to put it to use (speeding up disk access) rather than let it sit idle..
[20:19] <Daviey> soren: :(
[20:20] <consumerism> Kiall: i thought - buffers meant that that amount was used by user processes. the usage in top reports the total usage including kernel buffers and disk cache
[20:20] <soren> Daviey: :(
[20:20] <soren> Daviey: kill -HUP killed it.
[20:21]  * soren hasn't grown out of uptime fixation yet
[20:21] <soren> soren     3985  0.9 18.6<PHONE_NUMBER>2 pts/0    Rs+   2010 8064:11 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/supybot virtbot.conf
[20:22] <Kiall> consumerism: the buffers are usually only a small % of the difference .. they should be listed on the first line of free -m
[20:23] <Kiall> eg .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/704171/
[20:26] <Kiall> soren: your involved with openstack package for ubuntu right? (I could be thinking of someone else..)
[20:26] <Kiall> you're*
[20:27] <Kiall> packaging* .. not my day!
[20:31] <daxroc> evening
[20:31] <Daviey> soren: i used to run some servers that sync'd with the uptime project :)
[20:31] <Daviey> soren: you did the noa xen package?
[20:31] <Daviey> nova*
[20:40] <jamespage> Daviey: all iscsi root tests completed - all had the same long boot/failsafe issue
[20:43] <consumerism> Kiall: so in your paste, which number is the amount of memory used by user processes?
[20:44] <Kiall> 4034M
[20:44] <Daviey> jamespage: rocking :/
[20:44] <Daviey> jamespage: thanks for doing them.. have you failed them on the iso tracker?
[20:44] <jamespage> Daviey: I suspect that the interface is set to manual for good reason
[20:45] <jamespage> well TBH they don't fail - they just take a long time to boot
[20:45] <jamespage> I've linked the bug on all four test cases from the ISO tracker
[20:45] <Daviey> jamespage: can you throw open a bug, otherwise i will forget.
[20:45] <Daviey> In the least, it's something for P
[20:46] <jamespage> Daviey: any specific tag?
[20:47] <jamespage> ah - it already has server-o-rs
[20:47] <Daviey> jamespage: server-o-ro, not sure it will get fixed - but i'd like to strill track it as sucj
[20:47] <Daviey> hmm, which bug number?
[20:47] <jamespage> bug 870214
[20:47] <jamespage> w00t the bot it back
[20:48] <jamespage> I don't know much about /etc/network/interfaces other than how to use it but that might actually make sense
[20:48] <jamespage> you don't want the network interface to be downed/upped again during boot - because you are booting off it?
[20:49] <jamespage> Daviey ^^
[20:49] <jamespage> might be talking out of my hat - be there you go :-)
[20:49] <jamespage> be/but
[20:49] <Daviey> sounds viable
[20:50] <Daviey> (you talking out of your hat, that is :)
[20:50] <jamespage> lol
[21:09] <jamespage> Daviey: bug 870244 - Precise?
[21:11] <jamespage> its been there for a while...
[21:14] <Daviey> jamespage: If you are motivated to fix it for Oneiric, i'd be happy approving it.
[21:14] <Daviey> Seems like a safe simple fix.
[21:24] <jamespage> Daviey: OK - looking at it now
[21:33] <Daviey> jamespage: remember to have a weekend aswell. :)
[21:33] <jamespage> bah - who need one anyway...
[21:35] <Daviey> jamespage: Now there is a core-dev, if i ever saw one!
[21:41] <jamespage> Daviey: hmm - well the change is easy - however dovecot does not really like restarting
[21:41] <jamespage> I'm going to leave this for tonight and take a look early monday
[21:42] <Daviey> jamespage: if it starts to look less than fun, probably better to defer it.. See how it goes
[21:42] <Daviey> What was dovecot doing?
[21:43] <jamespage> Daviey: if restarts to quickly - the sockets have not cleaned up from the previous instance
[21:43] <jamespage> if/it
[21:43] <jamespage> so it fails to start
[21:45] <Daviey> geez, that sounds like a standalone restart also fails then?
[21:46] <Daviey> as in, dovecot on it's own - not part of the stack package
[22:47] <Tohuw> bind9 is throwing "rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused" on reload. Nothing shows in syslog. The named PID file has the right permissions. Clues?
[23:07] <Tohuw> Turns out it was a permissions issue on a few config files in /etc/bind. All is well now.
[23:37] <LUCID_PHP> Hi, what is the best way to get PHP 5.3.8 on Lucid LTS - with future security updates...
[23:37] <LUCID_PHP> but I also need APC...


[07:49] <schkovich> comment
[12:23] <blahdeblah> Hi all.  My amulet tests ran & passed for precise, but not trusty - any ideas why?  Is it just backlog, or do I need to do something else to get it recognised?  http://reports.vapour.ws/all-bundle-and-charm-results/quassel
[12:39] <lazyPower> blahdeblah: looking now
[12:39] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: thanks
[12:39] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: I did push two different branches - one for precise & one for trusty
[12:40] <lazyPower> thats the first thing i checked :)
[12:40] <lazyPower> interesting. i see no evidence of it even attempting to run. I'll kick off a test of the trusty branch manually
[12:41] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh1: ^ if you get a moment, can you take a peek and see why the precise series ran but not trusty?
[12:44] <lazyPower> blahdeblah: however - i see a full row of greens here. Congrats on the fruit of testing labor
[12:45] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: I got there eventually. :-)
[12:45] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: So the testing runs should kick off automatically when we do a new commit to a charm trunk?
[12:46] <lazyPower> i dont know how much of the CI automation we have enabled/setup - that was being refactored the last i heard
[13:01] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: tests aren't started automatically, someone has to start them
[13:01] <lazyPower> I thought that's where we were when we left off w/ the automation.
[13:01] <lazyPower> thanks for confirming tvansteenburgh
[13:02] <lazyPower> blahdeblah: the trusty charm is still deploying the precise series
[13:03] <lazyPower> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~paulgear/charms/trusty/quassel-core/trunk/view/head:/tests/50-basic-deploy  - line 12 needs to be updated to read     cls.d = amulet.deployment(series='trusty')
[15:39] <drbidwell> I have  a set of machines in MAAS with 4 nics.  How do I get juju to bring up all 4 nics when it deploys them?  My ceph deploy is failing because the right interfaces are not up.
[21:07] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: thanks


[01:53] <bioterror> hey joe
[01:53] <MrChrisDruif> I love all those "testing" things :P
[01:54] <jmarsden> Maybe someone with appropriate powers could add a link to the Lubuntu Alpha2 ISO to the /topic of this channel?
[01:55] <JoeMaverickSett> hey bio
[01:55] <MrChrisDruif> Both the direct link AND the torrent :D
[01:56] <bioterror> jmarsden, you couple days ago said that i'm playing with fire if I use proposed and you're offering alpha2 which has some installation issues for people ;)
[01:56] <jmarsden> bioterror: For downloading and testing, not for production use on a workstation -- huge difference :)
[01:57] <jmarsden> bioterror: The point is that "where is the Alpha2 ISO" is becoming a frequently asked question, so a adding a link seems helpful to me.
[01:57] <jmarsden> It is more of a news item (Alpha2 was released, here it is) than a recommendation for real world use.
[01:58] <bioterror> jmarsden, just pip has asked ;)
[01:58] <jmarsden> Really?  Wasn't someone asking on the mailing list, or in -offtopic, or somewhere, recently?
[02:01] <MrChrisDruif> I've seen two requests if I'm not mistaken
[02:02] <bioterror> pip and you ;)
[02:04] <jmarsden> Well, #lubuntu is not an especially active channel... does two requests constitute a FAQ? :) :)
[02:04] <bioterror> I concider not
[02:04] <MrChrisDruif> Well....does that change the matter?
[02:05] <bioterror> and my 2cents is that if someone who is capable of running and using alpha, he is also capable to find it out too
[02:05] <MrChrisDruif> 2 people = 2 people right? :P
[02:05] <bioterror> I dont want to make anyone to think "oh here's alpha release, let's go for it!"
[02:06] <bioterror> and then screen is full of apport and he doesnt know what to do
[02:06] <MrChrisDruif> If he found it here....he'll know where to go for help right? ;)
[02:13] <bioterror> possible
[06:06] <negthorn> good morning
[06:11] <negthorn> does any of you have moved a linux distro from one partition to another
[06:11] <negthorn> ?
[06:21] <bioterror> I rather backup ~/ and do a installation than start playing
[06:23] <negthorn> I had some malfunctions at first boot ... but now everything is OK
[06:24] <negthorn> the thing I'm going to do
[06:24] <negthorn> is to delete my XP as just copy Lubuntu over it
[06:25] <negthorn> and I want to skip those malfunctions
[06:26] <negthorn> is there a way to do such a thing
[06:36] <bioterror> you can boot livecd, run gparted, remove windows partition and resize lubuntu partition
[06:37] <negthorn> yep, but there are 2 separate phisical drives
[06:38] <negthorn> here is it  (I'll draw now) :
[06:39] <negthorn> hd0 [ 10G WinXP ntfs][30G apps ntfs][30G files fat32]
[06:40] <bioterror> fat32 :G
[06:40] <negthorn> hd1 [38G ext4 Lubuntu][1G swap]
[06:40] <negthorn> yes
[06:41] <negthorn> why not ?
[06:41] <negthorn> fat16 supports only to 8G
[06:41] <negthorn> 32 has no limit
[06:43] <negthorn> whatever .... my idea is to delete both ntfs and replace them with "ext"-ed partition + swap
[06:44] <negthorn> and to try to copy/move the tux at that place
[06:45] <bioterror> you can start from 4GB filesize limit, nothing even close to journaling,  and was that
[06:45] <bioterror> just a moment
[06:46] <bioterror> fat32 has a bigger file allocation units than fo example ntfs
[06:47] <bioterror> negthorn, why not just make a new installation over XP, mount your old linux installation, move stuff from old ~/ to new ~/
[06:48] <negthorn> Oh! sHELL ...
[06:48] <negthorn> true ! ...
[06:49] <bioterror> you're welcome
[06:49] <negthorn> Now I'm realizing that all apps
[06:50] <bioterror> partition limit for FAT32 is 137GB
[06:50] <negthorn> are commonly installed in ~
[06:50] <bioterror> software is installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin usually in linux
[06:50] <negthorn> ha! I didn't know it
[06:51] <negthorn> and ....that is I want to keep
[06:51] <negthorn> may I 'cp' them too ?
[06:52] <bioterror> and how are you going to update them
[06:52] <bioterror> and all the libraries they require
[06:52] <negthorn> IDK  ..
[06:52] <negthorn> mmmhm ...
[06:52] <bioterror> why not just apt-get install <what ever is needed>
[06:53] <bioterror> takes like 20mins
[06:53] <bioterror> and since you dont have exact same size disks, you cant dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda
[06:54] <negthorn> you're right, but I like experimets (exept the case I'm here)
[06:54] <negthorn> aha ...
[06:55] <negthorn> it means - "don't try this at home (/home) "
[06:56] <bioterror> if I were you, I would buy a bigger disk than 70GB
[06:56] <bioterror> and use it
[06:58] <negthorn> this machine is 7 y.o. the only up I've made is to put this 70G HDD and 256MB RAM (total 512)
[06:59] <bioterror> okay
[06:59] <bioterror> trash that XP, make some more space in other drive so that you can get rid of FAT32
[07:00] <negthorn> 'cause there are all my files
[07:00] <negthorn> (personaly created)
[07:00] <negthorn> for anything else - I don't care
[07:02] <negthorn> and 'cause Iknow that fat is visible form all normal distros - I made this space "fat"
[07:02] <bioterror> seems like you havent heard of NTFS-3G
[07:02] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G
[07:05] <negthorn> hah! thanks for the info but I've never before used Linux seriously ... mean - installsome. try it, then remove ... and when I decide - Install something else ...
[07:09] <negthorn> I was looking for "my" distro ..
[07:11] <negthorn> there is nothing more beautyful than to Install XP
[07:11] <negthorn> twice a week
[07:12] <negthorn> in a period of a half year
[07:14] <negthorn> whatever ... I'll not experiment with copying ...
[07:14] <negthorn> thanks for everything
[07:14] <negthorn> must go
[11:23] <kosaidpo-|> hello world
[11:24] <kosaidpo-|> after installin lubuntu 10.10 nad upgrade it i lost my windows entry in the grub menu
[11:27] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[11:27] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: okies tnx
[11:36] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: i aleady tied that last night
[11:36] <kosaidpo-|> n still not wokin
[11:37] <bioterror> and is there somekind of error message
[11:37] <kosaidpo-|> when i launch os-prober it return the windows but not when i do update grub
[11:38] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: no no errors eturned at all :P
[11:39] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: http://pastebin.com/5E2fNjxP
[11:41] <kosaidpo-|> any idea why it doesnt work bioterror
[11:43] <bioterror> this doesnt make sense
[11:44] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: btw to let you kno this hapaned jst after th upgrade
[11:44] <kosaidpo-|> after the upgrade
[11:44] <bioterror> I'll reboot
[11:46] <kosaidpo-|> ill do too mybe the wnidowns enty decide to show up who knows :D
[11:48] <bioterror> haha
[11:49] <bioterror> 10.10 doesnt have os-prober, so it's not run on installation
[11:49] <bioterror> I had to install and run it, works like a charm
[11:51] <bioterror> Timo, cant you put your password for server password?
[11:51] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, did you get it?
[11:51] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: noo :P
[11:51] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: iread somewhere on the web that ican add manuley that entry can you pls link me to some ressource
[11:52] <bioterror> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/566274/
[11:52] <bioterror> mine
[11:52] <bioterror> ~% sudo blkid                        .:13:52:30 on 11-02-12:.
[11:52] <bioterror> [sudo] password for sad157:
[11:52] <bioterror> /dev/sda1: LABEL="Windows" UUID="3EE0E0DEE0E09D81" TYPE="ntfs"
[11:53] <bioterror> replace that UUID in that with your own
[11:54] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: and wht file shud i edit to add the entry
[11:54] <bioterror> guess
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> memu.list or sumthin
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> in the boot/grub dir right ?
[11:55] <bioterror> menu.list is for legacy grub
[11:55] <bioterror> grub.cfg and /boot/grub/
[11:55] <bioterror> you got it right! ;D
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> okies thnx bioterror
[11:56] <kosaidpo-|> but how can i get my uid ??
[11:57] <bioterror> I gave you command 5 mins ago
[11:57] <kosaidpo-|> got it
[12:01] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: i added the windows pat in the end of the file
[12:04] <bioterror> good
[12:04] <bioterror> then reboot
[12:04] <bioterror> dont run update-grub
[12:04] <kosaidpo-|> ahh okies
[12:04] <kosaidpo-|> i was abt to ask
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: it doesnt wok
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> :P
[12:21] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, did you get that menu entry?
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> noo
[12:21] <bioterror> okey
[12:22] <bioterror> then update-grub
[12:22] <bioterror> and reboot
[12:22] <kosaidpo-|> thees no risque runin it ??
[12:22] <bioterror> why would be
[12:22] <lksdjfgl> Are there any printer problems specific to lubuntu?
[12:23] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: im jst womdein and run it and still doesnt appear after updatin
[12:23] <bioterror> MrOne, what kind of problems?
[12:23] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, run update-grub
[12:23] <MrOne> I have a printer and it shows up as if drivers have been found but then when I print a test page
[12:24] <MrOne> it is added to the print list
[12:24] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: did it and still no succes with that windows entry
[12:24] <MrOne> then vanishes without a page printing
[12:24] <bioterror> MrOne, related to GRUB
[12:24] <bioterror> asdasdasd
[12:24] <bioterror> CUPS
[12:24] <MrOne> really?
[12:24] <MrOne> what can I do?
[12:24] <bioterror> check launchpad with your printer?
[12:26] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, you have not booted after running update-grub
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> noo
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> i jst read hee thati shud add custom entry to this ect/grub.d/40_custom
[12:26] <bioterror> why
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> ill try it first : ]
[12:26] <bioterror> that's where I have my entry
[12:26] <bioterror> not in there
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> why didnt eboot yet ?? or why i ll add it
[12:27] <bioterror> add that windows menu entry after memtest 86
[12:27] <bioterror> run update-grub
[12:27] <bioterror> and reboot
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> well now i added the entry to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> ok
[12:28] <bioterror> and you've double checked the uuid?
[12:28] <bioterror> it does match?
[12:30] <MrOne> bioterror: Is there nothing I could have messed up at my end?
[12:31] <bioterror> MrOne, I dont think so
[12:31] <kosaidpo-|> m checkin now bioterrorq
[12:31] <kosaidpo-|> ill let u kno : ]thnaks
[12:42] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: can i re-make an grub.cfg ??
[12:42] <bioterror> what
[12:43] <bioterror> make .cfg.bak and run os-prober and update-grub
[12:43] <kosaidpo-|> i guess i messed up my grub.cfg
[12:43] <kosaidpo-|> ok
[12:43] <bioterror> how can you mess it up
[12:44] <bioterror> if you just add few lines below memtest
[12:44] <bioterror> which I gave you on a silver platter
[12:45] <kosaidpo-|> cus i mistakes things i guess
[12:45] <kosaidpo-|> i copied he wrong portion
[12:46] <bioterror> but laters
[12:46] <bioterror> I'm off, going out
[12:46] <bioterror> to catch some fresh air
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> okies have fun
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> peace out
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> n tnx
[12:46] <bioterror> been helping people whole morning n day :D
[12:48] <MrChrisDruif> Good going bioterror :D
[12:48] <MrChrisDruif> We love people like you around :D
[13:14] <NRWlion> hello every1
[13:15] <NRWlion> need help ^^ just installed Lubuntu this morning and failed to set Teamspeak Soundsettings... anybody there to help me out? I am returning to linux after working with MS because my system doesnt work properly
[13:16] <MrChrisDruif> TeamSpeak? That's like Mumble right?
[13:17] <NRWlion> ähm... havent any clue what mumble is *laugh*
[13:17] <NRWlion> teamspeak is a voip client
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> Me for TeamSpeak....but TeamSpeak is for having audio conversation during gaming etc.?
[13:17] <NRWlion> richt
[13:17] <NRWlion> right
[13:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well...Mumble does the same O:-)
[13:18] <NRWlion> am i able to access a teamspeak server with mumble?
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> That...I don't know :)
[13:19] <NRWlion> already asking google ;)
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> I love those n00bs that can do their own google searches :D
[13:20] <NRWlion> noobs are greenhorns right?
[13:20] <NRWlion> sorry my english isnt that good :/
[13:21] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, they are...(I'm still a n00b thou O:-))
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Where are you from NRWlion?
[13:22] <NRWlion> Good old Germany
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Hai neighbor :) I'm from Holland :D
[13:22] <NRWlion> goede middag
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Dankuwel :D
[13:23] <MrChrisDruif> Insgelijk
[13:23] <NRWlion> im able to speak it but writing and reading are horrible ^^ so if you dont mind, i keep on english ;)
[13:24] <MrChrisDruif> As this is an English channel I was about to say it :)
[13:24] <NRWlion> ive been to holland for nearly half of my life to spend my vacations there
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....so our conception that German like our beaches is pretty spot on :)
[13:27] <NRWlion> well always went to a little camping spot called Hylpen
[13:27] <NRWlion> need to leave for the moment to get lunch with family
[13:28] <NRWlion> but as i do like lubuntu more and more, i will return after this weekend to maybe help with german translations ,)
[13:51] <leszek> hi
[13:51] <MrChrisDruif> Hai leszek :)
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> re
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> bin gone for the weekend
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> have a nice1 every1
[14:17] <kosaidpo-|> hello guys i cant make it to wok
[14:18] <kosaidpo-|> i ve tried to add an  entry to my grub list manuelly but no succes
[14:19] <kosaidpo-|> i've added this to my /etc/grub.d/40_custom but it doesnt wok when i do update-grub
[14:44] <kosaidpo-|> hello again
[14:44] <kosaidpo-|> phillw: the way u showed didnt work too :P
[14:46] <phillw> kosaidpo-|: I'm stuck. I do not dual boot. if you are patient on here - or ask on the mailing list one of those who dual boot will help you.
[14:46] <kosaidpo-|> phillw: sure im still here and thanks :D
[15:04] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: i have three Os working including Lubuntu 11.04 alpha. Can u summarize your problem to me? i may help.
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: hii : ]
[15:05] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Hi
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> well after a lubuuntu upgrade i lost my windows entry in grub
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> and i kind of tried all ways ic ud find in the net
[15:06] <kosaidpo-|> the os-prober one n added the portion code to the 40_custom file but doesnt work idk wht im doin wing when i did those ways
[15:06] <kosaidpo-|> :P
[15:08] <wolfpack> Cann u paste the output of sudo fdisk  -l
[15:08] <wolfpack> paste it in pastebin
[15:10] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: ^
[15:11] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: okies
[15:12] <kosaidpo-|> http://pastebin.com/vy5bFmrv wolfpack
[15:12] <kosaidpo-|> here you go dude
[15:13] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: soy thats blkid im sorry
[15:14] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: no problem :)
[15:14] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: here you go http://pastebin.com/3zBHkSmd im srry
[15:16] <wolfpack> Also paste output of update-grub
[15:18] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: u got me ?
[15:18] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Which is other linux distro u have installed
[15:18] <wolfpack> ?
[15:19] <kosaidpo-|> jst lubuntu n windows thats all
[15:19] <wolfpack> Your partition table is showing 2 linux distro
[15:21] <kosaidpo-|> uhmm :P well i have only dual boot tho
[15:21] <kosaidpo-|> ahh i have the home sperated
[15:22] <kosaidpo-|> uhm i jst noticed too thats weird
[15:23] <kosaidpo-|> the extended one  its /home and sda6 its the / but the sda7 idk it :P
[15:24] <wolfpack> You can try this . It has worked lot of time for me : sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda
[15:25] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: replace sda5 with your linux partition
[15:25] <wolfpack> oh sooru I copied wrong commnad
[15:25] <wolfpack> sorry *
[15:26] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Do not use the above command
[15:26] <kosaidpo-|> sda5 its the swap
[15:26] <kosaidpo-|> okies im not
[15:28] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: wht cmmd wud i use /
[15:28] <kosaidpo-|> ?
[15:32] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[15:32] <kosaidpo-|> i use this one ?
[15:33] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Yes, You can try this as it worked for me once :)
[15:33] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: well done ; ]
[15:33] <kosaidpo-|> and  now wolfpack
[15:34] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: type sudo update-grub
[15:35] <kosaidpo-|> done but still cannnot see the windows entry btw i got this
[15:35] <kosaidpo-|> http://pastebin.com/f5E2ixKa
[15:36] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: It hasd worked for me
[15:38] <kosaidpo-|> :P it didnt for me
[16:22] <pip__> so Lubuntu 10.10 is on this month's Linux Format cover disc - sweeeeeeeeeeeet
[16:27] <leszek> nice
[16:35] <bioterror> what a shame that the default installation is far from complete :(
[16:46] <esing> hi
[16:46] <esing> apache2 installed here but when running localhost it says no permisson to access /index.php
[16:46] <esing> i deleted the index.html which was in there before tho
[16:47] <esing> i tried to set chmod for the whole www folder to 755 and 777 but neither works
[16:48] <kosaidpo-|> esing: make sure its owned by root or www-data im not sure if not ucan install lampp via tasksel
[16:50] <bioterror> public_html and root www are 755
[16:55] <esing> ????????????????????ß
[16:55] <esing> what do you mean "owned by root" or owned by www-data?
[16:55] <bioterror> www-data
[16:56] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Did you had a fresh installtion of lubuntu and then tried to upgrade its packages ?
[16:56] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: yesh
[16:56] <esing> well i put www to 755
[16:56] <esing> then even to 777
[16:56] <esing> but nothing happens
[16:57] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Then I think during installtion you have specified incorrect boot point.
[16:57] <kosaidpo-|> yeh i guess so cus i have an extended partion in it two partition and now im wondein how ican fix it
[16:59] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Well I did the same thing by mounting boot point at my other linux distro partition. I had to reinstall the lubuntu :(
[17:00] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Do you have any important data on lubuntu ?
[17:00] <kosaidpo-|> :P thats the hard part and tnx tho
[17:06] <phillw> esing: I do tire of this... read and use http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119 I held a classroom a while back, the information on the internet that you will have used is just wrong.
[17:07] <phillw> It really does annoy me that people have incorrect instructions up on sites.
[17:09] <esing> mhm
[17:09] <esing> I even tried to add the www directory to apach2.conf but it still doesnt work
[17:09] <esing> imho a program should work after installation without configuration ^^
[17:11] <phillw> esing: if you use tasksel, it will 'work out of the box', that is what tasksel is there for.
[17:31] <esing> gosh
[17:31] <esing> taskel doesnt exist on my os
[17:34] <esing> "taskel command not found"
[17:35] <esing> phillw !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:35] <JoeMaverickSett> esing: it's "tasksel"
[17:36] <esing> yes
[17:36] <esing> it doesnt work
[17:36] <esing> in terminal i wrote it correct wise
[17:36] <phillw> esing:  sudo tasksel
[17:36] <esing> yes
[17:36] <esing> i did tihs
[17:36] <esing> phillw you use ubuntu 9.1 and not lubuntu?
[17:37] <phillw> esing: those notes were made via lubuntu!
[17:38] <esing> well then this is weird
[17:38] <esing> maybe this is a big bug in here
[17:38] <phillw> I've been asked to make a new new set for ubuntu standard version.
[17:38] <phillw> -new
[17:39] <esing> HMMM
[17:45] <esing> ive got to go off
[17:45] <esing> head is burning
[17:45] <esing> thx tho
[17:53] <arkanabar> anyone know how to bring up the menu bar in lxterminal? alternately, how to change lxterminal fonts?
[18:12] <arkanabar> anyone know how to bring up the menu bar in lxterminal? alternately, how to change lxterminal fonts?
[18:13] <bioterror> right click the terminal
[18:13] <bioterror> and choose preferences
[18:13] <bioterror> then display tab
[18:13] <bioterror> and there's a checkbox
[18:13] <bioterror> I believe it's the middle one
[18:14] <arkanabar> that's done it!  TYVM!
[18:14] <bioterror> np
[18:14] <bioterror> that was fast
[18:14] <bioterror> NEXT!
[18:14] <wolfpack> hahah :)
[18:30] <BR41N1> hello
[18:31] <wolfpack> BR41N1: hi
[18:31] <BR41N1> ^^
[18:32] <BR41N1> To answer to somebody, do you simply type the name and add ":" or do you click somewhere?
[18:34] <wolfpack> BR41N1: type few letter and press tab
[18:34] <BR41N1> wolfpack, oh, ok! Thanks a lot. (it gives me a coma though)
[18:35] <BR41N1> wolfpack: I changed it. Perfect
[18:35] <bioterror> I prefer nick,
[18:36] <BR41N1> bioterror: I prefer : =P
[18:36] <wolfpack> me too :P
[18:36] <BR41N1> I just installed Lubuntu and did an update. I need to reboot. brb


[10:43] <DarkTrick> wouldn't it be nice to allow mouse clicks in shortcut combinations?
[13:30] <jphilips> what would be the scenario there DarkTrick
[13:31] <jphilips> JackFrost: any way to get the newly released xfce4-notes-plugin into 21.04?
[13:39] <DarkTrick> jphilips, 1) The same as for general shortcuts, just with mouse involved. Who says that a left click can only have one function. The same rationale as "why should the X,C,V key only have one function?". Take drag&drop of files as an example: dropping with shift/ctrl/ctrl+shift has different behaviors.
[13:42] <DarkTrick> jphilips, 2) Design: It would create a unified interface for buttons in general. Who says, that mouse has to be treated differently than a button on the keyboard? Or different words: at the moment we're differentiating the two by "on mouse press", "on key press"; But that wouldn't be necessary anymore. It would only be keys. One step further: touching would be a virtual key (as it probably already is).
[13:43] <jphilips> I use mouse gestures in Opera
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[18:12] <rhys> i’ve spent a day trying to get this to work, but can anyone tell me why the resolv-conf module does not work on centos 7 in AWS ?
[18:14] <rhys> i’ve notice that systemd is configured to execute init, config, and final all separately. i use the init chunk to install the newest version of cloud-init, and to add the “resolv-conf” module to cloud_config_modules. i then pass it user-data that includes manage-resolv-conf: true, exactly from the examples. all other directives i pass in user-data execute successfully.
[18:15] <rhys> i turn off the auto-updating of /etc/resolv.conf in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, so that dhclient doesn’t override it. but no matter what i do resolv.conf remains untouches.
[18:16] <rhys> oh. is this not the same cloud-init thats version cloud-init-0.7.6-2.el7 ? openstack and canonical have different cloud-inits? :(
[18:33] <smatzek> rhys:  I believe the samples are wrong here.  It needs to be manage_resolv_conf note the underscore character.
[18:34] <rhys> smatzek: also the module is named ‘resolv-conf’ with a dash yes?
[18:35] <smatzek> for module names in cloud.cfg they can be either dash or underscore, they get normalized in the code, but for directives that the individual modules look for in userdata, they need to match what the code is looking for.
[18:37] <smatzek> in this case the code is looking for 'manage_resolv_conf'.   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/config/cc_resolv_conf.py#L97
[18:38] <rhys> smatzek: welp there was a day of my life gone
[18:38] <rhys> thank you so much
[18:41] <smatzek> Odd_Bloke:  are you there?
[18:55] <smatzek> rhys:  I've opened this bug to try and address the change in the documentation:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1531582
[18:55] <rhys> thanks. i really appreciate it. i should have noticed the disparity
[18:55] <rhys> because i was using manage_etc_hosts too
[18:55] <smatzek> the resolv.conf one and the lock_passwd one have sucked many hours of my time and others time in the past.
[18:56] <rhys> smatzek, the interesting thing is that while its now working, its writing the resolv.conf template raw
[18:56] <rhys> its not evaluating the template
[18:57] <rhys> actually thats now true of all modules.
[18:57] <rhys> like etc/hosts now has <IP_ADDRESS> {{fqdn}} {{hostname}}
[18:58] <rhys> in the logs. Jan  6 18:54:48 localhost cloud-init: 2016-01-06 18:54:48,271 - templater.py[WARNING]: Jinja not available as the selected renderer for desired template, reverting to the basic renderer.
[19:01] <rhys> package build problem. found the bug
[23:14] <harlowja> smoser did u guys meetup in england yet?