[01:24] <X-Rob> tomreyn: They're not meant to be secure. They're also not meant to be exposed to the internet, either.
[04:58] <Hackerpcs> I'm having an "issue" with an smb share. I record internet radio with vlc (cron, cvlc) and I play it with VLC over smb in Windows 7. The problem is the time doesn't refresh so when it reaches the end of the duration it read when it was opened, it stops. I found that if I try to copy the file in Windows, the duration gets updated. When I recorded it on Windows 7 and streamed to Windows 7, the
[04:58] <Hackerpcs> duration was updated. Anyone know if there's something to make the duration get updated every second?
[05:19] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:41] <jamespage> cpaelzer: morning
[06:42] <jamespage> hurrah for endian-ness bugs! - https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/ubuntu/rocky/+packages
[06:44] <cpaelzer> hi jamespage
[06:44] <cpaelzer> grml
[06:45] <cpaelzer> jamespage: are you sure this is endieness
[06:45] <cpaelzer> endian-ness
[06:45] <cpaelzer> gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-Wthread-safety'; did you mean '-fthread-jumps'
[06:45] <cpaelzer> to me that appears different options on different platforms?
[06:45] <cpaelzer> I have read the log for 3 seconds now, maybe I should spend more
[06:46] <cpaelzer> that could as well be a normal config prompt
[06:46]  * cpaelzer is reading
[06:48] <cpaelzer> or is it tests 805/810/814?
[06:49] <jamespage> its the test failures
[06:50] <cpaelzer> didn't you in the past just mask them and report to upstream plus arch owner?
[08:35] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I have yes and will probably do that - I've already mail dev upstream
[08:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: isn't bug 1787727 just a copy and paste of the message the maintainer scripts print?
[08:46] <cpaelzer> what else would you suggest than an too unfriendly "please read what is written"?
[08:47] <cpaelzer> dpkg histroy suggests switches between myslq/maridb are the trigger
[08:50] <cpaelzer> I tried to kindly explain, if your think there is more to be added let me knwo
[08:52] <cpaelzer> rbasak: also FYI I was afraid to accidentially cancel the process of the importer so I detached from the screen and will only check the log if there is any reason to do so
[08:52] <cpaelzer> rbasak: or did you check on a regular base without a ping to do so?
[08:53] <jamespage> cpaelzer: now I just need to figure out why ${python3:Depends} ends up subbbed in python:any
[08:53]  * jamespage scratches his head
[08:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer: your bug response seems reasonble.
[08:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I don't check the importer without a ping.
[08:55] <cpaelzer> jamespage: the third b is the reason :-)
[08:56] <jamespage> oh probably
[08:57] <cpaelzer> 3 vs not 3
[08:57] <cpaelzer> ?
[08:58] <cpaelzer> jamespage: did you push to the pgk git already?
[08:58] <jamespage> cpaelzer: not yet - I know that the py3 issue is tho
[09:24] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I'm right with my we need rdma-core in UCA for the new dpdk mellanox support
[09:30] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I think only if you want/need to go further than Bionic
[09:30] <cpaelzer> Bionic had 17.1 I think
[09:30] <cpaelzer> which could be recent enough
[09:31] <cpaelzer> newer DPDK need newer rdma-core, but I thought 17.11.3 was not yet one of those
[09:31] <cpaelzer> jamespage: lets disambiguise a bit here
[09:31] <cpaelzer> the DPDK in Cosmic and Bionic atm (without UCA) are virtually identical
[09:32] <cpaelzer> as since Bionic we have a MRE to drive back stable releases
[09:32] <cpaelzer> and Cosmic not picking a newer one for openvswitch not being compatible
[09:32] <cpaelzer> that said implies that the rdma-core in Bionic is fine for the 17.11.3
[09:32] <jamespage> yeah this was for xenial
[09:32] <cpaelzer> uh
[09:32] <cpaelzer> ok so you are not thinking about the cosmic->bionic route
[09:32] <cpaelzer> but bionic->xenial
[09:33] <cpaelzer> yeah there you'll need it
[09:33] <jamespage> cpaelzer: no - if the rdma-core in bionic is good enough, we'll skip it for the Rocky UCA
[09:33] <cpaelzer> yep, as rocky is only for 18.04
[09:33] <cpaelzer> down the road I assume in DD release we will pick up a newer DPDK, needing a newer RDMA code and then for UCA-S* you'll need it
[09:33] <cpaelzer> but not atm
[09:34] <jamespage> yeah we do things on an as-needed bases
[09:34] <jamespage> is
[09:35] <cpaelzer> all your base belong to us anyway
[09:40] <jamespage> :)
[11:01] <RoyK> cpaelzer: all your base *are* belong to us ;)
[11:02] <RoyK> cpaelzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano
[11:10] <cpaelzer> you are right RoyK
[11:11] <cpaelzer> I'll use 2*are next time to be ok on average
[11:11] <RoyK> lol
[12:42] <boxrick> Within the pre-seed is it possible to output some form of debug mid run ? Either to a console or similar?
[12:42] <boxrick> Alt + f4 scrolls back quite quickly
[13:35] <RoyK> boxrick: guess netconsole might be an idea
[13:35] <rbasak> ahasenack: pmdk/ndctl for Bionic uploaded. Now it's in NEW. I've also pushed upload tags.
[13:35] <ahasenack> rbasak: thanks
[13:37] <ahasenack> rbasak: can you check this commit? The multiple changes to d/changelog look odd: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/talloc/commit/?id=85882c4aa32823d0e3d2a1d4be27ab3991b5662a
[13:38] <rbasak> I suspect a previous merge missed out the merged changelog
[13:38] <rbasak> Oh
[13:38] <rbasak> I see
[13:38] <rbasak> It was previously in sync
[13:39] <rbasak> Wait let me get my story straight
[13:40] <rbasak> Nothing special happened here.
[13:41] <rbasak> The importer parented against 2.1.11-2, which is the second changelog entry. So this upload is "derived" from that, which is why the importer used it, which is the intended current algorithm.
[13:41] <rbasak> A consequence is that you see older Ubuntu changelog entries being added, because that's the diff to its "Debian" parent.
[13:42] <rbasak> The "Ubuntu" parent isn't considered any more (if it ever was?) by the importer algorithm.
[13:42] <rbasak> (I think it was, but we intentionally changed that around Nov last year)
[13:43] <rbasak> nacc: ^ this is an interesting case to me. I don't know if it's obvious and we agreed it would happen. Do you think it's fine?
[14:00] <rbasak> I suppose it's essentially equivalent to our regular package merge workflow, but with all commits squashed together because rich history wasn't supplied.
[14:07] <ahasenack> rbasak: I saw it while preparing a new debian merge, and deconstructing the changelog bits
[14:08] <ahasenack> (or reconstructing? I can never differentiate them. The first rebase)
[14:09] <ahasenack> rbasak: interesting, d/control still had the debian maintainers
[14:09] <ahasenack> probably just a mistake
[14:22] <jottr> Hi all. How do I make sure, that any user (even ubuntu-user) are required to enter a password when running `sudo`.
[14:26] <sdeziel> jottr: you'd need to audit your sudoers rules in /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/*
[14:27] <jottr> sdeziel: Ah /etc/sudoers.d/* I didn't check. Thanks for pointing that out.
[14:28] <sdeziel> np
[14:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer: quick review for a small delta? This will unblock ldb in cosmic-migration: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/talloc/+git/talloc/+merge/353503
[14:53] <rbasak> Looking
[14:53] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: man, I keep forgetting to switch target series to cosmic in bileto :/
[14:53] <rbasak> ahasenack: a package merge review is non-trivial for me because of the mechnical checks that we don't have full automation for yet :-/
[14:53] <ahasenack> why is zesty and yakkety still in that list anyway? :)
[14:54] <rbasak> But I'll look anyway
[14:54] <ahasenack> the delta is one commit
[14:54] <ahasenack> should help
[15:00] <rbasak> ahasenack: +1. I think you want sponsorship?
[15:00] <ahasenack> rbasak: yes please
[15:02] <rbasak> Done
[15:02] <ahasenack> \o/
[15:04] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: so, what happens now with that postfix mp,
[15:04] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: your changes are being sponsored by cpaelzer, meaning he will do the upload for you
[15:04] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: it will go into an unapproved pocket, waiting for a member of the sru team to look at it
[15:04] <ahasenack> this person will look at the changes, at the bug, see if the sru template is in good shape
[15:05] <ahasenack> decide based on that if this is worth an update to the stable release or not
[15:07] <ahasenack> kstenerud_: so now we wait for that one. Watch your inbox :)
[15:30] <ahasenack> kstenerud: that ssh bug, check my comment #3
[15:30] <ahasenack> kstenerud: and feel free to double check what I said, that it's fixed >= artful
[15:30] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1771340 ftr
[16:05] <nacc> rbasak: will read it back in a bit, otp
[16:07] <kstenerud> andreas: So for the openssh bug I've found the commit in artful that fixes the issue.  Do we want to just fix this one issue and make no other modifications? Or would a cherry-pick work here?
[16:13] <nacc> rbasak: what's the exact question?
[16:13] <nacc> rbasak: that commit looks completely correct to me? It was an Ubuntu merge done by doko without git-ubuntu
[16:13] <nacc> ahasenack: --^ ?
[16:22] <rbasak> nacc: it was a little surprising to me to see multiple changelog hunks in the "git log" for that commit.
[16:22] <rbasak> nacc: however I acknowledge that it is currently by design.
[16:22] <rbasak> nacc: so if you think it's fine, it's fine :)
[16:23] <rbasak> I suppose it's because we pick the changelog parent now and it isn't a merge commit against the Ubuntu publication parent.
[16:23] <rbasak> You'll probably tell me that that's what you expect because we deliberately made that change. If so, it's fine :)
[16:26] <nacc> rbasak: right we eliminted the publishing parent. there is now only some subset of changelog or upload parent.
[16:26] <nacc> rbasak: so it's no different than the merge-changelogs step being folded into the actual content
[16:26] <nacc> afaict
[16:30] <dpb1> rbasak: do you know the answer to kstenerud's question?
[16:30] <dpb1> rbasak: btw, thought you were flying today!?
[16:30] <nacc> dpb1: re: the openssh fix?
[16:31] <dpb1> nacc: yes
[16:31] <nacc> kstenerud: you should fix one issue with the one commit :)
[16:31] <nacc> kstenerud: it's probably certain you wouldn't cherry-pick across the releases
[16:31] <nacc> unless the thing you're cherry-picking is the bit you did in the other release yourself :)
[16:31] <dpb1> thx
[16:32] <kstenerud> nacc: OK, so I'd make my own patch to this version, right? Not grab a newer version from debian?
[16:32] <nacc> kstenerud: this is fix for bionic?
[16:32] <kstenerud> xenial
[16:32] <nacc> kstenerud: yeah, in that case, you'd not be merging, you'd be taking an isolating fix and backporting
[16:32] <dpb1> kstenerud: we don't tend to put back new versions to stable releases unless there is a very good reason.
[16:32] <nacc> kstenerud: ah ok, xenial and bionic are effectively the same thing
[16:33] <nacc> kstenerud: have you read the SRU page?
[16:33] <nacc> basically, the SRU requirements are much higher than in the development release :)
[16:33] <dpb1> kstenerud: there are some packages that are exceptions to that for various reasons, but the promise of ubuntu is that we keep things stable once released.
[16:35] <kstenerud> OK. So in this case the bug is that breaking the config and then reloading the service doesn't spit out an error, which makes the server unrechable if you log out afterwards without checking dmesg. Is that considered high impact?
[16:40] <dpb1> kstenerud: is it fixed in artful+?
[16:40] <dpb1> (bionic really)
[16:41] <kstenerud> dpb1: yes, it's fixed in artful onwards
[16:41] <dpb1> kstenerud: if the description on the bug is acurate, I think doing a service reload and the service silently not running is pretty bad.
[16:41] <rbasak> Was there still a question for me?
[16:41] <dpb1> it takes action by the user, but it's not crazy
[16:41] <dpb1> rbasak: no
[16:41] <rbasak> OK :)
[16:41] <dpb1> rbasak: well yes
[16:42] <dpb1> 16:30:46         dpb1 | rbasak: btw, thought you were flying today!?
[16:42] <rbasak> Oh
[16:42] <dpb1> :)
[16:42] <rbasak> Actually it was yesterday, but the weather was poor so we cancelled.
[16:42] <dpb1> what about today?
[16:42] <rbasak> Not enough aircraft availability :(
[16:42] <dpb1> ahh
[16:42] <rbasak> They're quite booked up usually and I need three consecutive slots, so it's awkward
[16:43] <rbasak> I've rebooked for after Brussels.
[16:44] <rbasak> Also one of their aircraft isn't suitable because it doesn't have an upgraded radio yet, so I can't talk to one particular air traffic service that I need to for my test (but otherwise it isn't strictly necessary, so they've put off an upgrade until the next major service)
[16:44] <dpb1> kstenerud: first up, we should fix the bug up to be accurate then.
[16:44] <rbasak> There's this big worldwide aviation radio upgrade thing going on - splitting every existing channel into three to create more space.
[16:45] <dpb1> kstenerud: it's fix-released in artful+, and we want it back to at least xenial
[16:45] <kstenerud> OK I'll get on it
[16:45] <dpb1> ahasenack: is that what you would normally do? ^
[16:45] <dpb1> add tasks, etc?
[16:47] <ahasenack> I would first get a branch
[16:47] <ahasenack> test it
[16:47] <ahasenack> make sure I have the right fix
[16:47] <ahasenack> then update the bug with the sru template
[16:47] <ahasenack> then make the MP
[16:47] <ahasenack> sometimes the MP first, bug template after, but close together
[16:48] <dpb1> OK
[16:55] <Ussat> any fix for thsi bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1504659
[16:56] <ahasenack> trying: talloc
[16:56] <ahasenack> accepted: talloc
[16:56] <ahasenack> \o/
[16:59] <ahasenack> rbasak: do you know if a dependency-wait error is retried automatically? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldb/2:1.4.0+really1.3.5-1/+build/15263978
[16:59] <ahasenack> the required package is in cosmic-proposed already
[16:59] <ahasenack> I don't see a "retry" button/link there
[17:02] <nacc> ahasenack: it is not
[17:02] <nacc> (iirc)
[17:02] <nacc> i can see a retry
[17:03] <ahasenack> nacc: can you click that for me for all arches in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldb/2:1.4.0+really1.3.5-1 please?
[17:08] <nacc> ahasenack: ack
[17:08] <ahasenack> nacc: thx!
[17:09] <nacc> ahasenack: done, yw
[17:09]  * ahasenack sees the spinning iso icon
[17:16] <ahasenack> kstenerud: regarding debian patches, remember that changes to any file inside debian/ itself won't use a debian patch
[17:16] <ahasenack> debian patches are only for changes done to the upstream source code
[17:27] <ahasenack> build failure on the "funny" arches, :(
[17:27] <ahasenack> (ldb)
[17:32] <ahasenack> hah
[17:32] <ahasenack> ldb (2:1.4.0+really1.3.5-2) unstable; urgency=high
[17:32] <ahasenack>   * Add patch from upstream to fix FTBFS on some arches (arm64, armhf, mips,
[17:32] <ahasenack>     mipsel, s390x, ...)
[17:36] <kstenerud> ahasenack: so since this change modifies debian/systemd/ssh.service, I don't use a patch?
[17:36] <kstenerud> Do I just modify the file directly in the commit?
[17:36] <ahasenack> correct
[17:51] <nacc> kstenerud: in case it helps, do you understand why that's the case? :)
[17:53] <kstenerud> nacc: I'm guessing because anything inside the debian dir is exempt?
[17:53] <nacc> kstenerud: specifically, the way the source package is distributed is two tarballs, one is the orig tarball of the upstream. This is effectively not modified (except in cases of dfsg - Debian Free Software Guidelines) from upstream. Then there is a tarball of the debian directory separately.
[17:54] <nacc> (this is for 3.0 - quilt format, at least, which is quite common)
[17:54] <nacc> so since the orig tarball is unmodified, changes to it are carried as quilt patchs in the debian tarball; while changes to the debian path itself can be stored in the debian tarball normally
[17:55] <nacc> kstenerud: it's worth reading `man dpkg-source` a few times to catch up on terms there
[17:56] <kstenerud> ah ok :)
[17:56] <nacc> the debian manual also has some good guidance there
[17:57] <nacc> kstenerud: hopefully it's clear, but i'm not trying to just point what you don't know; but i found it eventually much easier to know why things were being donne the way they were, even if it took me a year to understand it fully :)
[18:21] <kstenerud> ahasenack: I hit a snag making the PPA for a fix. I used dput to upload the new openssh code, but now when I add the repo I get an error on apt update:
[18:21] <kstenerud> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kstenerud/sshd-reload-1771340/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:22] <ahasenack> kstenerud: a) check that the package built; b) check that you had "xenial" and not "cosmic" or something else in the d/changelog line with the version
[18:23] <ahasenack> kstenerud: looking at https://launchpad.net/~kstenerud/+archive/ubuntu/sshd-reload-1771340/+packages, it's still building
[18:44] <dpb1> ahhhh, ppa building / published
[18:44] <dpb1> :)
[19:01]  * dpb1 notes the current 'building' icon with 'published' status. :)
[19:45] <madLyfe> anyone setup plex server on ubuntu server before?
[20:02] <dpb1> y
[20:06] <Ussat> Yes
[20:35] <nacc> madLyfe: it's typically better in all ubuntu* support channels to not use polls :)
[20:35] <nacc> madLyfe: someone has almost always done what you are about to ask if someone has done.
[20:35] <nacc> madLyfe: instead, if you have a problem with it, ask your specific problem. If you are looking for a guide, ask for a guide.
[20:36] <nacc> madLyfe: saves your time and ours as volunteers.
[20:41] <madLyfe> I'm sorry about that nacc had is kind of spinning trying to decide what to use for my setup here
[20:42] <madLyfe> and I'm on phone right now while setting up a new server box in the basement. where all servers belong! I'll be back to the chat in a few.
[20:42] <nacc> madLyfe: understood -- just trying to help you ask better questions :)
[20:44] <madLyfe> I need a nacc IRL..
[20:45] <nacc> madLyfe: well i mean, i am real :)
[20:45] <madLyfe> you know, to be a better overall human
[20:45] <madLyfe> 😁
[20:46] <nacc> lol
[20:46] <nacc> well, that's on you ;)
[21:03] <madLyfe> so here is my situation and why it involves ubuntu:
[21:04] <madLyfe> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gdtxNXbs/
[21:05] <madLyfe> thats kind of an explanation of the situation..
[21:06] <madLyfe> so ive given in to using a nix software raid. i just wasnt sure what route to take. something like FreeNAS/OpenMediaVault or just use ubuntu.
[21:07] <madLyfe> i am going to take the two 1tb drives and put them on an abandoned box utilizing a 16gb sandisk usb drive for the os and use ubuntu server. well thats as far as i am currently.
[21:08] <madLyfe> im not sure if this is the route you guys would have taken for such a thing but there are so many options.
[21:12] <coreycb> jamespage: tobias-urdin: i'm not sure what the problem is with openstack-dashboard. i think i'll have to bisect through the rocky updates to see when it worked last.
[21:13] <sdeziel> sigh, pastebin service that require Javascript  are... annoying ;)
[21:14] <sdeziel> madLyfe: if you go with Ubuntu, I'd suggest you give a try to zfs instead of mdadm
[21:14] <coreycb> jamespage: tobias-urdin: i'm not getting a response from the server and debug's not helping. also installing heat-dashboard seems to mess up the /usr/share/openstack-dashboard/openstack_dashboard alternative but that's a separate issue.
[21:18] <evit> I'm setting up automatic updates. If I don't specify Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot-Time does it reboot immediately?
[21:21] <ahasenack> evit: yes
[21:21] <ahasenack> the comment above that setting in 50unattended-upgrades says so, at least
[21:21] <evit> ahasenack, great thank you. I was unclear on it
[21:23] <madLyfe> sdeziel: someone said nfs or something like that?
[21:23] <madLyfe> i just tried 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and it tossed errors
[21:24] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I'm suggesting to look at zfs to handle the FS as well as the RAID1 part which would remove the need from using mdadm raid
[21:24] <madLyfe> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/fCORU~TBtFWBGZ860hEnnw
[21:25] <madLyfe> sorry, nfsd is what they said to use.
[21:27] <sdeziel> madLyfe: nfs is meant to export a FS to remote machines, which is not what I'm talking about
[21:28] <madLyfe> well i need to be able to access this via win 10
[21:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: now, on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1771340
[21:32] <ahasenack> kstenerud: you will see a "xenial task"
[21:33] <ahasenack> it's another line below the one with the package name
[21:33] <ahasenack> kstenerud: since this is fixed >= artful, and more importantly, in the current development release,
[21:33] <ahasenack> kstenerud: we will mark the "main" task, the one with no ubuntu release qualification, as fix released. That represents the development release
[21:33] <sdeziel> madLyfe: sorry, I may be confusing you. What I meant was just to advise you to look into zfs for the local filesystem and RAID portion of this server if you were to chose Ubuntu as the base OS
[21:34] <ahasenack> kstenerud: the xenial task, that's the one you are working on. You should mark that as in progress, and assign it to you
[21:35] <sdeziel> madLyfe: I mentioned zfs because it is one of the key advantage offered by Ubuntu from the selection of OS you provided (FreeNAS has it too)
[21:36] <madLyfe> sdeziel: i have already installed the OS on the thumb drive. not sure what it installs with by default.
[21:37] <kstenerud> ahasenack: ok done
[21:37] <sdeziel> madLyfe: the ZFS part would not be for the thumb drive but for the bulk data storage, the RAID1 array
[21:38] <ahasenack> cool
[21:44] <kstenerud> ahasenack: I don't see any inline comments
[21:45] <ahasenack> kstenerud: scroll down to the diff
[21:45] <dpb1> heh
[21:45] <ahasenack> or, click on "show diff comments" in the box surrounding my comment
[21:45] <ahasenack> on the far right
[21:46] <kstenerud> ok
[21:46] <ahasenack> (but that will just scroll down for you afaik)
[21:46] <dpb1> that interface isn't great
[21:58] <ahasenack> kstenerud: there is one comment I added after, it's the indentation of the changelog line
[21:59] <kstenerud> ahasenack: ok, pushed with a new commit
[22:00] <ahasenack> kstenerud: and I added one more comment :)
[22:01] <kstenerud> ah right :)
[22:11] <ahasenack> kstenerud: looks good, =1
[22:11] <ahasenack> +1
[22:11] <ahasenack> kstenerud: since it's a package that needs a core developer to sponsor, my +1 is not final, someone else will have to look at it tomorrow
[22:11] <kstenerud> ok no problem
[22:11] <ahasenack> kstenerud: I'd suggest to add to the description (or amend it) the link to the debian salsa commit with that change
[22:12] <ahasenack> because it's very localized there, and clear
[22:12] <ahasenack> kstenerud: which introduces you to salsa (the site)
[22:12] <ahasenack> kstenerud: that's where debian moved all their packaging repositories, or well, most of them. Some packages are not there yet
[22:12] <ahasenack> it's a gitlab site
[22:13] <kstenerud> how do I get a salsa commit link?
[22:13] <ahasenack> kstenerud: sometimes, as part of fixing something in ubuntu, we make a pull request (merge request in salsa lingo) there to fix it in debian too
[22:14] <ahasenack> kstenerud: I just went to salsa.debian.org, searched for openssh, then cloned it, and used git log (locally) and searched for the bug
[22:14] <ahasenack> that gave me the commit
[22:15] <kstenerud> umm... which one? The debian ssh maintainers?
[22:15] <ahasenack> yes
[22:15] <ahasenack> the more "official looking" one :)
[22:15] <ahasenack> I pasted the link in one of my review comments, but go ahead and try from scratch
[22:17] <kstenerud> ok added
[22:17] <madLyfe> sdeziel: i also just want to be sure that if i use zfs raid 1 that i would be able to take that raid array to a different system/hardware and have zfs pick it back up. like say if i moved to freenas zfs.
[22:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud: excellent
[22:18] <kstenerud> OK, gotta go pick up a canonical package in town
[22:18] <ahasenack> cool
[22:18] <sdeziel> madLyfe: yes, you can bring the array (or only one drive for that matter) to another machine. Plugging it to freenas should work as ZFS uses compatibility levels so presumably it would still work there
[22:18] <ahasenack> and I'm eod
[22:19] <ahasenack> kstenerud: see you tomorrow
[22:19] <kstenerud> l8r!
[22:19] <madLyfe> sdeziel: tyvm
[22:19] <sdeziel> madLyfe: the "transplant to freenas" part would need a little research if it's really something you want to do. Otherwise you can zfs send | zfs receive between Ubuntu and FreeNAS
[22:29] <madLyfe> im saying like, if my os drive was to go away, would the 2 disk raid array be just fine? can put it elsewhere?
[22:30] <sarnold> you might be restricted in your choices of "elsewhere"
[22:30] <sarnold> but between smartos / omnios / fbsd / proxmox / various linux distros / you'll probably be fine
[22:30] <madLyfe> k
[22:31] <mason> You'd need a subset of properties that work everywhere FWIW.
[22:31] <madLyfe> what does that mean?
[22:31] <mason> Features. https://bpaste.net/show/bb4bbdc9867e
[22:31] <madLyfe> also, why would this happen? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/sWmWASPo7whE64IVf6GiFQ
[22:32] <mason> That was accurate as of Ubuntu Xenial and FreeBSD 10 or early 11.
[22:32] <sarnold> madLyfe: http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Feature_Flags
[22:32] <mason> Ugh, their paste requires JavaScript?!?
[22:33] <sarnold> madLyfe: because you only directed stdout to nc --> http://termbin.com/t2j7
[22:33] <madLyfe> mine or sarnolds?
[22:33] <sarnold> madLyfe: stderr still went to the terminal
[22:34] <madLyfe> what should it have been?
[22:34] <sarnold> well that's fine ifyou know what that means :) heh
[22:35] <madLyfe> sadly no. but the termbin is still correct? i mean it looks correct to me
[22:37] <madLyfe> also its odd that it didnt work the first time. i also had it not work the first time from a live usb boot with kubuntu.
[22:38] <mason> Hrm. I just told NetPlan to use NetworkManager as its global renderer and I said "netplan apply" but... nothing's changed.
[22:39] <mason> Does "netplan apply" not handle a renderer change?
[22:40] <mason> And why is there no netplan(8)?
[22:43] <mason> Restarting did the trick, but I have to have missed something to get it to reconfigure without a reboot.
[22:56] <nacc> mason: i think there's also a #netplan, but i might be wrong
[22:57] <mason> nacc: That rings a bell. I'll explore later I guess.
[23:03] <dpb1> huh... I guess it's in 5
[23:04] <dpb1> filing a bug would be fine (netplan.io)
[23:07] <mason> dpb1: For me? And we're running 4, and this exists in 5?
[23:08] <mason> I see netplan 0.36.3
[23:08] <mason> looking
[23:08] <sarnold> mason: I think dpb1 meant netplan(5)
[23:08] <mason> Ah.
[23:08] <sarnold> as opposed to netplkan(7(
[23:08] <sarnold> gah
[23:08] <sarnold> I can haz nap?
[23:08] <mason> dpb1: Yes, netplan(5) exists, but there's a netplan(8) command with no man page.
[23:08] <mason> net-q'plah!
[23:08] <sarnold> lol
[23:09] <mason> dpb1: netplan(8) would document the binary, where 5 is for file formats.


[16:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Add prips to supported-misc-servers @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=9b81da1616c0163b6b181371159d4284b273195b (by Utkarsh Gupta)


[22:38] <maheanuu> wylde, I thank you immensely for your help,   I was also trying to see if there might be a way to test the unit to see if it were hdwre or softwre causing the prob
[22:38] <kandinski> where is all that space needed?
[22:38] <FloridaGuy> Ubuntu 12.04 Gnome Shell.. Gnome mplayer can't get short kut keys to work.. I have changed them under keyboard setting..And still nothing!!
[22:38] <Cheery> how do I access a loopback device that has partitions?
[22:38] <Cheery> .img that has partitions
[22:39] <wylde> maheanuu: other than re-seating cables and whatnot, not much. Possibly seeing if the device has the same issue connected to another machine?
[22:39] <tbrown> I think I figured how to install the AMD Redion driver
[22:44] <tbrown> Does anyone know if there is jobs in the United States that has OS for Ubuntu:)
[22:45] <L3tops> tbrown: the radeon driver is open, the fglrx is the proprietary
[22:46] <stiltzkin> L3tops, I managed to connect to wifi, install the xorg-radeon package, and run upgrades, but the problem persists :/
[22:47] <maheanuu> wylde, I just pulled it and will take it to our local shade tree mechanic, I use them only for parts or doing translations when I run into a Windoze problem as all the machines here for the most part are French
[22:47] <L3tops> stiltzkin: apt-cache policy fglrx | grep Installed
[22:48] <wylde> maheanuu: alrighty.
[22:48] <stiltzkin> L3tops, still says Installed: (none)
[22:48] <L3tops> One moment stiltzkin
[22:48] <stiltzkin> L3tops, tyt
[22:49] <L3tops> stiltzkin: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri fglrx-modaliases
[22:49] <L3tops> reboot
[22:49] <stiltzkin> L3tops, OK, thanks :)
[22:49] <maheanuu> wylde it worked perfect until I was doing a burn for give aways,  you were great help, and again I more or less was of the same opinion, just yesterday was a waste and it failed over the weekend and nothing works in the South Pacific when it comes to weekends especially those with a holiday and may day was that
[22:50] <stiltzkin> L3tops, can't find the package fglrx-modaliases
[22:50] <wylde> maheanuu: it always seems these sorts of things like to happen at most inconvenient times.
[22:51] <L3tops> er...
[22:51] <L3tops> one second.
[22:51] <stiltzkin> L3tops, there's fglrx, fglrx-amdcccle, fglrx-amdccle-updates, fglrx-dev, fglrx-updates, fglrx-updates-dev...
[22:51] <L3tops> let me get on 1204 brb
[22:51] <L3tops> no no no
[22:51] <L3tops> we just want to steal the modaliases
[22:51] <stiltzkin> OK
[22:51] <L3tops> dont want fglrx
[22:51] <L3tops> brb
[22:53] <dashie> does anyone know what /sbin/udevd --daemon is and why after installing precise there are 150 processes running on startup o_0
[22:55] <VirtualBlackness> You are correct stiltzkin... not avail on 1204.
[22:56] <stiltzkin> VirtualBlackness, apt claims it's replaced by "fglrx-updates:i386 fglrx:i386 fglrx-updates fglrx"
[22:57] <zimby> how can i purge all xchat an kVIRC settings. I cannot connect to my ssl vhost anymore.
[22:58] <zimby> i purged them ouce it dint remove the settings
[22:58] <L3top> apt-cache rdepends fglrx-updates shows that it will install fglrx unfortunately... so we wont get that benefit... but try the others
[22:58] <L3top> However...
[22:59] <L3top> did you do lspci | grep VGA ? is this a laptop?
[22:59] <MonkeyDust> zimby  maybe delete some hidden .config file or folder
[22:59] <zimby> hmm
[22:59] <zimby> purge would not do that?
[22:59] <stiltzkin> L3top, yeah, I did it earlier, it's a Radeon 9650. This is a Sony laptop.
[23:00] <MonkeyDust> no
[23:00] <zimby> k
[23:00] <L3top> stiltzkin: I switched so I didnt have it. It only produced one line correct? (There are dualGPU ati laptops out there)
[23:00] <stiltzkin> L3top, yes only one line. one GPU
[23:01] <L3top> Well I find this very perplexing stiltzkin.
[23:01] <hector> using multiple monitors, does anyone know how to remove the panel at the top from the screens other than the primary?
[23:02] <stiltzkin> L3top, so do I...this is partly why I've switched to Fedora on my other machines...since version ~11 Ubuntu tends to simply refuse to work with my hardware. It's a shame, since I've been using it since Warty. I figured maybe the 12.04 release would have fixed some of these problems. Apparently not <_<
[23:03] <Vuth> i have 1 TB right now..i was going to partition 100Gb for a Linux OS..can i move that 100gb back into the 1tb later on? if need be?
[23:06] <Fingel>  does anyone know of a movie library manager for linux? something where I can point it to a directory and it will download covers, let me play/search, etc?
[23:07] <heikoheikoheiko> where do I change font size for gnome shell? appearance has only wallpaper settings
[23:08] <Fingel> heikoheikoheiko: you have to use gnome-tweak-tool
[23:08] <maheanuu> Fingle, what about VLC Media Player?
[23:08] <Fingel> maheanuu: vlc is nice for playing but it doesnt really have a library function, that I know of
[23:08] <heikoheikoheiko> there are no settings for font size in stock gnome3? Oo
[23:08] <heikoheikoheiko> k, thx
[23:09] <dashie> anyone know if there is a working/reasonably stable ppa or official package for apache 2.4
[23:10] <sam__> Fingel: Try XBMC
[23:10] <mrkd> I have no sound in firefox and chrome running Ubuntu 12.04 - Is there where I should be to ask for help?
[23:11] <Fingel> sam__: Ive tried xbmc is segfaults constantly on my machine. but thats what Im looking for
[23:11] <Simkin> mrkd: no sounds in ff and chrome... probably you mean no sound in flash ?
[23:11] <trent_> i have this package i need to install. (lib32ncurses5-dev ) anyone no how? Ubunto noob here
[23:12] <mrkd> Simkin: I am not getting sound anywhere, even html5 video
[23:12] <Simkin> mrkd: oh. hmm.
[23:12] <Simkin> mrkd: but other apps can make sound?
[23:12] <mrkd> I have sound in mythtv and xbmc
[23:13] <mrkd> as well as just playing a video with vlc
[23:13] <dlentz> trent_, sudo dpkg -i <package>
 im a complete rookie on this stuff can you be a little more specific please
[23:14] <sam__> Fingel: Could try out Boxee however may get similar issues as its based on xbmc.
[23:14] <dlentz> trent_, it's a terminal command
[23:15] <dlentz> sudo dpkg -i <package>
[23:15] <trent_>  <dlentz got that much lol
[23:15] <dlentz> ok, so did you run the command?
[23:15] <trent_> yes
[23:15] <trent_> lots of options
[23:16] <Simkin> mrkd: not sure whre to begin with your problem... it's odd as it affects both google chrome and ff...
[23:16] <Fecalmen> I really think that niggers must learn their lessons
[23:16] <dlentz> trent_, options?
[23:16] <Fecalmen> and now
[23:16] <Fecalmen> That is why I joined Chimpout Forum
[23:16] <dlentz> !op
[23:16] <Fecalmen> the link is http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[23:16] <mrkd> Simkin: i agree, it is odd. thought it was something others were seeing
[23:16] <trent_> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; Type dpkg --license for copyright license and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*].
[23:16] <Fecalmen> the link is http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[23:17] <Fecalmen> Chimpout is not a White Supremacist forum
[23:17] <trent_> i have the file unziped in my download folder
[23:17] <dlentz> trent_, what exact command did you use?
[23:17] <mattva01> thank you, Myrtti
[23:18] <trent_> sudo dpkg
[23:19] <dlentz> trent_, oh, i thought you literally had the .deb file ready to install, nvm
[23:19] <dlentz> sudo apt-get install lib32ncurses5-dev
 i just did the sudo dpkg -1 where does the file need to be located
[23:21] <trent_> -i rather
[23:21] <dlentz> trent_, wjy don't you just install it from the repo using apt-get?
[23:22] <trent_> id love to can you point me to it
[23:22] <dlentz> sudo apt-get install lib32ncurses5-dev
[23:22] <dlentz> ^enter that in terminal
[23:22] <trent_> ok 1 sec
[23:23] <trent_> E: Couldn't find package lib32ncurses5-dev
[23:24] <dlentz> trent_, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[23:24] <trent_> 10.04.4 lts
[23:25] <Logan_> !info lib32ncurses5-dev lucid
[23:26] <dlentz> trent_, and you're using 64-bit version? (use this command: uname -a
[23:26] <trent_> Linux trent-desktop 2.6.32-38-generic #83-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 4 11:13:04 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:27] <dlentz> the lib32ncurses5-dev package is for 64-bit systems
[23:27] <Socket-> I'v done X11 forwarding many times, and have many servers which have it working.  One of my servers failes to show X11 forwarding in the putty event logs.  I have it enabled in ssh settings, the server has X11Forwarding enabled, and I am running xming.  Am I missing something?
[23:27] <dlentz> what are you trying to do that makes you think you need it?
[23:28] <Socket-> launch firefox
[23:28] <Logan_> trent_: sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
im running a virtual box trying to compile android and all the tutorials have a command with that in it, i get error messages without it
[23:29] <grendal-prime> i have an haproxy set up..it runs fine when i start it with haproxy -f configfilepathgoes here.
[23:29] <grendal-prime> but if i try and start it with /etc/init.d/haproxy  it does nothing..no error...no log..just never starts it
 $ sudo apt-get install git-core gnupg flex bison gperf build-essential \ zip curl zlib1g-dev libc6-dev lib32ncurses5-dev ia32-libs \ x11proto-core-dev libx11-dev lib32readline5-dev lib32z-dev \ libgl1-mesa-dev g++-multilib mingw32 tofrodos python-markdown \ libxml2-utils xsltproc
[23:35] <shape> Hello, does anyone know what this command does apport-collect 993245 and what does it need to be granted full permission to my computer?
[23:35] <trailblazerz11> Hi, Im running 12.04 and was updating when my computer froze.  Everything is fine now except QT 4 designer module wont update, says theres dependency problems..
[23:35] <trailblazerz11> How to fix?
[23:35] <Vuth> hi guys
[23:35] <trent_> can anyone tell me how to install this ncurses_5.7+20090803.orig.tar.gz
[23:36] <Vuth> im confused about Wubi and the option to install ubuntu alongside win 7? is it the same thing?
[23:36] <Resistance> trent_:  that's not an installer package
[23:36] <FloridaGuy> What is it with the mplayer frontends like gnome-player Smplayer.. Multimedia keys.. The (N) and (V) Don't work..
[23:36] <MonkeyDust> Vuth  no, wubi is not a 'real' installation
[23:36] <Resistance> trent_:  are you trying to install the ncurses package, version 5.7+x?
 yes
[23:36] <Mr_Midnight> Vuth: Wubi creates a virtual hard drive on your disk and let's your windows boot loader load Ubuntu from there
[23:37] <Vuth> and wubi is not a very good idea correct? becuase "it has never worked right"
[23:37] <Vuth> someone in this room told me this
[23:37] <BFranks> What's the best 'packaged' LAMP for Ubuntu? .. Should I just stick with XAMPP?
[23:37] <Mr_Midnight> Vuth: I use Wubi all the time...
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> Vuth  what Mr_Midnight says, wubi creates a space *inside* windows, not alongside it
[23:37] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11:  remove and reinstall ?
[23:38] <Resistance> trent_:  where are you getting that tarball from?
[23:38] <trent_> Resistance ubunto web site want a link?
[23:38] <ilovefairuz> shape: it collects data from the system needed to make a bug report useful to developers
[23:38] <Resistance> trent_:  isnt that what I asked?
[23:38] <shape> ilovefairuz, do I have to leave the system on?  It doesn't close.
[23:38] <ilovefairuz> !lamp | BFranks
[23:39] <trent_> Resistance ok sorry 1 sec
[23:39] <ilovefairuz> shape: what "doesn't close?"
[23:39] <Vuth> okay i am installing ubuntu as we speak there is the option to install alongside windows (automaticaly partition HD) or Something else (partition HD manually) is there any difference in terms of stability or performance if i do the automatic one?
[23:39] <Resistance> trent_:  also, is 5.9 too "new" for what you need, or something?
[23:39] <Resistance> because afaict ncurses is 5.9 in ubuntu
[23:39] <shadykhan> best way to dual boot windows 7?
[23:39] <shadykhan> i already installed ubuntu
[23:39] <shape> ilovefairuz, The program apport, after it starts running and asks permission to launchpad.
[23:39] <Resistance> shadykhan:  install windows 7 alongside Ubuntu on the main hard drive
[23:39] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairuz: I r sorry linux n00b,  sudo apt-remove right?
[23:40] <MonkeyDust> Vuth  if you're familiar with manually partitioning, you can choose 'something else'
[23:40] <ilovefairuz> shape: it will collect the data and send it to server
[23:40] <BFranks> ilovefairuz: I know.. I'm just saying I want a good current bundle I can install the same way on a couple machines without the chance of forgetting something or getting the wrong version of something ..
[23:40] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11: sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:40] <shape> ilovefairuz, And will I see this in my account? because nothing was there.
[23:40] <trent_> Resistance  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/lib32ncurses5-dev
[23:40] <wylde> !lamp | BFranks
[23:40] <Robinux> hey whats the service name for sshd?
[23:40] <BFranks> My luck I'll forget PEAR and end up with one or two functions that fail but only on one server.. ;)
[23:41] <Robinux> if ssh is running does that mean sshd is running as well?
[23:41] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: use tab to autocomplete service names
[23:41] <Resistance> trent_:  i ask again, do you need the older version of that package than what's in current repositories?
[23:41] <Robinux> its just i'm getting "connection timeout" when trying to ssh or sftp into my ubuntu lappy
[23:41] <Resistance> trent_:  the current version of ncurses5's built binaries is 5.9 in ubuntu precise
[23:41] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: and it's just 'ssh'
[23:42] <shape> ilovefairuz, for how long should I give it permission to launchpad?
[23:42] <Resistance> trent_:  do you need that older version, 5.7?
[23:42] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: is your firewall turned on? does it allow ssh in? check with: sudo ufw status
[23:42] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairuz: wont let me, heres output http://pastebin.com/VkCpADqx
[23:42] <wylde> BFranks: there's a handy tool called 'tasksel' that has the "LAMP" option in an ncurses menu. They don't install it by default since 11.10. It's a small package.
[23:42] <trent_> Resistance not really sure what i need i get this error E: Couldn't find package lib32ncurses5-dev
[23:42] <ilovefairuz> shape: ?
[23:43] <Resistance> trent_:  are you on a 64bit system?
[23:43] <trent_> resistance from running this command  $ sudo apt-get install git-core gnupg flex bison gperf build-essential \ zip curl zlib1g-dev libc6-dev lib32ncurses5-dev ia32-libs \ x11proto-core-dev libx11-dev lib32readline5-dev lib32z-dev \ libgl1-mesa-dev g++-multilib mingw32 tofrodos python-markdown \ libxml2-utils xsltproc
[23:43] <shape> ilovefairuz, after I run that command it asks me for how long do I let apport be given permission to integrate with launchpad
[23:43] <Resistance> trent_:  rather than pasting a line which i dont particularly care about, can you just answer my question?
[23:43] <trent_> im on a virtual machine thats running 64 bit
[23:44] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11: try apt-get remove -f
[23:44] <trent_> this is my first go around with ubunto please exuse my stupity
[23:45] <MonkeyDust> trent_  linux beginner, or ubuntu beginner?
[23:45] <Robinux> ilovefairuz, well sudo ufw status shows the ports allowed for transmission
[23:45] <Robinux> only
[23:45] <ilovefairuz> shape:  a few minutes will usually be fine
[23:45] <trent_> MonkeyDust both lol
[23:45] <shape> shape okay :), thanks!
[23:45] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: pastebin
[23:46] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairus: do i need to specify what to remove or just run that command?
[23:46] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11: yes, i think ...
[23:46] <Robinux> ilovefairuz, no need for that, lol... its just one port with everything from everywhere allowed on both TCP and UDP.
[23:46] <MonkeyDust> trent_  "core-dev" if you're a linu beginner?
[23:46] <MonkeyDust> linu
[23:46] <MonkeyDust> x
[23:46] <Robinux> ilovefairuz, i guess in 12.04 you MUST have the same thing for the port used by sshd
[23:46] <Robinux> on ufw.
[23:47] <Mr_Midnight> trailblazerz11 try running rm -rf *.* in your terminal...
[23:47] <trent_> MonkeyDust not sure what you mean my that sorry
[23:47] <Resistance> trent_:  try doing this first: sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-multiarch
[23:47] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11: dont run this command!
[23:47] <ilovefairuz> !ops | Mr_Midnight
[23:47] <trailblazerz11> ehh
[23:47] <MonkeyDust> trent_  it looks to me you want to develop something, right?
[23:47] <Resistance> Mr_Midnight:  do not under any circumstances recommend that command.
[23:47] <trent_> ok
[23:48] <Resistance> ilovefairuz:  no need to call the ops for that, unless they either spam it or do it again
[23:48] <ilovefairuz> Resistance: pardon me? s/he's telling to wipe his home directory!
[23:48] <trent_> E: Couldn't find package ia32-libs-multiarch
[23:48] <Resistance> ilovefairuz:  true, but telling them why the program is dangerous is more useful
[23:48] <ilovefairuz> Resistance: this is not a dangerous command, this is pure trolling
[23:48] <trent_> MonkeyDust yes kinda
[23:49] <Resistance> unless the guidelines changed...
[23:49] <MonkeyDust> trent_  have you ever d
[23:49] <MonkeyDust> trent_  have you ever developed something?
[23:50] <Escherial> hey, i'm having trouble with alt being captured by unity to move around windows
[23:50] <Jordan_U> Resistance: Giving mallicious commands brings an instant ban and is definitely ops call worthy.
[23:50] <Robinux> yep
[23:50] <Robinux> ilovefairuz, it worked after adding the port to ufw
[23:50] <Escherial> is there any way to disable this? i can't access commands that involve alt in my editor :\
[23:50] <trent_> Resistance i get this E: Couldn't find package ia32-libs-multiarch
[23:50] <Robinux> thats cool actually i don't mind that.
[23:50] <Resistance> trent_:  i saw, standby
[23:50] <Resistance> Jordan_U:  ah, so the policy changed from the last time i read them
[23:50] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: that's what firewalls are for :)
[23:50] <Robinux> it means the OS is more secure like this... in 10.10 it didn't require that.
[23:50] <trent_> thank you
[23:50]  * Resistance rereads the guidelines and CoC
[23:50] <Resistance> and the operator's manual :P
[23:51] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairus: this is what get with apt-get remove -f http://pastebin.com/TF2LULh0
[23:51] <Robinux> ilovefairuz, ^^
[23:51] <ilovefairuz> trailblazerz11: apt-get remove -f ibqt4-designer:i386
[23:52] <Robinux> well i'm going to my office now thanks ilovefairuz :D
[23:52] <ilovefairuz> Robinux: you're welcome
[23:53] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairus: still unmet dependencies
[23:53] <Resistance> Jordan_U:  see /query then
[23:54] <violinappren> trailblazerz11: try: sudo apt-get install -f   # without a package name
[23:54] <SafariMonkey> Hi guys!
[23:55] <killswitch_> hello everyone
[23:55] <killswitch_> I need  a small bit of help... please?
[23:55] <violinappren> !details | killswitch_
[23:55] <SafariMonkey> Hi killswitch_!
[23:55] <infinitux> should I allow my system to update to 12.04 LTS?
[23:56] <violinappren> !upgrade | infinitux
[23:56] <Escherial> is unity what i should be using?
[23:56] <SafariMonkey> infinitux, it's personal?
[23:56] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairus: tried it before. that was the output i linked
[23:56] <trailblazerz11> ilovefairus: thanks for helping btw
[23:56] <infinitux> I'm not asking how.
[23:56] <wylde> Escherial: that's up to you. You don't HAVE to use Unity.
[23:56] <Escherial> i've become accustomed to the launcher bar and the increased vertical real estate, but i'm starting to realize that it's more experimental than anything
[23:56] <infinitux> I'm just wondering if it's worth doing?
[23:56] <Escherial> is there anything that offers the increased vertical real estate that's more stable? i realize it's a matter of opinion
[23:56] <whoever> hi all i am getting an errror from vbox to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup, but that command does not exist and the vboxdkms pkg is installed , can someone asist
[23:57] <killswitch_> details to help: I am running ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I have disabled the automatic wallpaper transitioning, disabled the guest account, and disabled the user list at login. I'm now wanting to change the box predefined text: [username] to something like [agent] how would I do this?
[23:57] <violinappren> trailblazerz11: try sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install -f
[23:58] <violinappren> whoever: what's the output of: file  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
[23:58] <trailblazerz11> violinappren: just redownloaded package otherwise same output
[23:58] <killswitch_> details to help: I am running ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I have disabled the automatic wallpaper transitioning, disabled the guest account, and disabled the user list at login. I'm now wanting to change the box predefined text: [username] to something like [agent] how would I do this? anyone?
[23:59] <wylde> Escherial: LXDE is very stable in my experience. It can be configured pretty easily to look how you like.
[23:59] <whoever> violinappren: that that file does not exis t


[00:25] <Trioxin> here's a question if anyone wants some points https://askubuntu.com/questions/852907/autostart-gui-app-as-root-without-adding-logged-in-user-to-wheel
[00:28] <valorie> you can have multiple panels, and I believe the settings for each are separate
[02:40] <glmvn> hello everyone
[02:47] <[Relic]> Is there some way of stopping 16.10 task manager from sorting windows alphabetically when set to "do not sort"?
[02:48] <[Relic]> FF taskbar items bounce around a lot if you open in new window rather than new tab
[03:07] <OCNIOZ> Hello! I could use some help with the built in messenger program on Kubuntu, every time I click on Google to try to set up my hangouts account nothing happens
[03:08] <OCNIOZ> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-telepathy-0-9/ already tried what that page says
[03:23] <OCNIOZ> Anyone?
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Hmmmm
[03:37] <valorie> OCNIOZ: telepathy is no longer being developed
[03:37] <valorie> unfortunately
[03:37] <valorie> I believe we pulled it from the last ISO
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Oh... so there is no way I can get it working with Google?
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Ahhhhh
[03:38] <valorie> if we didn't, we should have
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> If it was pulled it was pulled :
[03:38] <valorie> well, some people have said that they got it working
[03:38] <valorie> but mostly I hear complaints
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> Ah. Any idea what those who claim it is working have done?
[03:38] <valorie> google and fb both changed their api or closed them
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> OH
[03:39] <valorie> I don't, and gave up myself
[03:39] <OCNIOZ> Any suggestions on a google hangouts alternative solution then?
[03:39] <valorie> :(
[03:39] <valorie> if I have to use it, I use chromium or chrome
[03:39] <valorie> sorry to say
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> Jeeze... it's gotten that bad?
 They have snapped the Google Hangout but in CLI
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> I use google hangouts for *all* of my calls and text messages
[03:40] <valorie> ahoneybun: a snap for hangouts?
 Oh calls
 I think its called hangups
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> I don't care about calls from my laptop, but the text messages would be super nice
 It works fine when I used it
[03:41] <OCNIOZ> Linnky!?
 Till I moved all to Telegram
 sudo snap find hang
 Either hangups or hangout
 Then sudo snap install hang*
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> Thanks!
 Np
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> I always feel so silly in here
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> I'm an IT pro but it's all Windows OS at work so I know nothing about NIX
[03:42] <valorie> why?
[03:42] <valorie> oh
[03:43] <OCNIOZ> What are "snaps" or should I just google it
 http://snapcraft.io
 One place for sure
[03:44] <valorie> snappy is a way of making instant packages
[03:44] <valorie> self-contained
 Well snaps are
 Snappy is the IoT OS I believe
 That is built with snaps
[03:45] <valorie> ok, sorry
 No reason to be sorry, its very confusing
[03:45] <valorie> agreed
[03:46] <IrcsomeBot1> * ahoneybun needs to learn more snappy and snaps for a conference in March
[04:15] <gstnet> I thought "internet accounts" thing in kde 16.10 IS ktelephaty
[04:16] <gstnet> it works great for me. I use it with google hangouts, AIM and jabber
[06:16] <GoodPuppers> Hello. I have a computer with a GTX 970, an intel core I5 skylake, 8 gigabytes of ram, a few other distros on the hard drive, and a usb drive to install ubuntu. When i boot up into the install menu and press enter to install, it goes to a grey terminal window momentarily, then going black and not displaying anything.
[06:16] <GoodPuppers> Posting here as well, as the problem also occurs on kubuntu.
[06:19] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: By chance have you tried nomodeset? http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[06:21] <GoodPuppers> I haven't installed the OS yet, i'm afraid.
[06:21] <hateball> nomodeset works on the install media as well
[06:24] <GoodPuppers> I'm curious, what does nomodeset do?
[06:24] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: Sorry, here's a better link.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/131435/can-i-force-kubuntu-installer-to-use-nvidia-driver-not-nouveau
[06:25] <DarinMiller> See UPD: near the bottom.
[06:26] <DarinMiller> nomodeset forces a specific default graphic mode.  Quite often it will not use your native screen resolution- especially if its HDPI.
[06:27] <GoodPuppers> Thanks. Be right back then!
[06:35] <GoodPuppers> It worked, but i forgot i had ubuntu on my usb instead of Kubuntu -_-
[06:35] <GoodPuppers> I saw an amazon logo and noped out
[06:36] <GoodPuppers> How do you pronounce Kubuntu?
[06:36] <GoodPuppers> Is it koo-boon-too, or K Ubuntu?
[06:36] <hateball> I'd use the former
[06:36] <DarinMiller> KU Bun 2
[06:38] <valorie> I use koo buntu
[06:38] <valorie> but since it's made up, you can pronounce it any way you like!
[06:38] <GoodPuppers> does kubuntu have the same advertising and shady business stockbuntu does?
[06:38] <GoodPuppers> I'm gonna pronounce it k ubuntu
[06:39] <valorie> no advertising, no reporting
[06:39] <GoodPuppers> :D
[06:39] <GoodPuppers> I was using mint until people on an IRC trashed my decision
[06:40] <valorie> well, use what you like
[06:40] <DarinMiller> Mint is also a good DE.
[06:40] <valorie> this isn't religion
[06:40] <GoodPuppers> They kinda did let one of their isos get compromised, though
[06:40] <valorie> they did
[06:42] <GoodPuppers> I'm liking linux so far
[06:43] <GoodPuppers> I just started and the automation with simple scripts is pretty cool
[06:45] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: For me Linux makes computer fun to use again.  So many projects and things to expore.
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> I also kinda hate it when a computer tells me no
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> I bought you
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> listen to me
[06:50] <DarinMiller> The longer I use Linux, the more I appreciate the community and the attitude of open source.  And the more I dislike any other business model.
[06:53] <valorie> freedom is pretty great
[06:53] <valorie> I don't mind paying my favorite restaurant for dinner, though
[06:54] <valorie> or donating to free projects!
[06:54] <DarinMiller> Ditto :)
[06:54] <valorie> so I hear
[06:54] <valorie> lol
[08:56] <thelionroars> uh, help? The installer won't let me continue past the 'Prepare' stage
[08:57] <hateball> thelionroars: Is this 16.04 or 16.10?
[08:57] <thelionroars> 16.10
[08:57] <hateball> thelionroars: And you have successfully booted into the "Try" mode, and are now trying to install it?
[08:58] <thelionroars> yes
[08:59] <hateball> Hmmm, the "prepare" stage, what does that show? I cant remember
[08:59] <hateball> ack, gotta run, hopefully someone else will be around
[08:59] <thelionroars> it's a new XPS 13, I'm checking UEFI settings at the moment
[08:59] <thelionroars> it asks if you want to download updates while installing, and install 3rd party stuff
[09:00] <thelionroars> but no matter what options, proceeding to disk is disabled
[09:00] <thelionroars> 'disk'
[09:00] <hateball> thelionroars: Does the machine have a windows install on it?
[09:01] <thelionroars> it came with it, I disabled secure boot but am looking for other possible problem settings
[09:01] <hateball> thelionroars: are you looking to dualboot?
[09:01] <thelionroars> nope
[09:01] <hateball> hmmm
[09:01] <thelionroars> I'm wiping that sucker
[09:02] <hateball> thelionroars: have you tried using the partitioning tool before starting the installer?
[09:02] <hateball> to wipe the drive clean
[09:02] <hateball> I think windows has some... hybrid sleep mode... thing... maybe that confuses the installer
[09:02] <thelionroars> might give that a go
[09:03] <thelionroars> Trying AHCI instead of RAID, that may work
[09:07] <thelionroars> I'm guessing it was the RAID being on, that or 'legacy' boot modes being disabled.
[09:07] <thelionroars> working now
[09:07] <thelionroars> phew
[09:11] <hateball> I recall reading about that AHCI/RAID stuff
[09:11] <hateball> Think that was a machine that didnt allow switching to AHCI or some such
[09:11] <hateball> Good you got it going at least !
[09:12] <thelionroars> yes, relieved
[09:42] <timss> Hi. Using Kubuntu 16.10 with Nvidia Quadro 600 (binary driver), and the desktop feels really sluggish. Moving windows have a slight delay, and I can notice a lag when starting krunner etc. Any obvious performance tweaks I should do? I'm used to running Plasma (5) on Intel graphics, where it's really snappy.
[09:44] <yossarianuk> timss: try the latest drivber from the offical nvidia ppa - latest is 275.20
[09:44] <yossarianuk> sorry
[09:44] <yossarianuk> 375.20
[09:44] <hateball> Is 375 packaged now?
[09:45] <hateball> ah I see, very recently
[09:45] <hateball> timss: For the latest official driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[09:46] <hateball> timss: replace with nvidia-375 for the beta driver
[09:46] <yossarianuk> Ii winder if anyone can help me - also I havee a fairly beefy work laptop - I7 cpu, Nviidia 960, 16G ram, SSD - my issue is whenever I write data to a USB stick my system is unusable - really  laggy/slow - its oytherwise pretty damn fast
[09:46] <yossarianuk> its not the USB stick
[09:46] <hateball> yossarianuk: high cpu load?
[09:47] <hateball> yossarianuk: what filesystem does the thumbdrive use?
[09:47] <hateball> NTFS will eat more CPU than say FAT32 or ext*
[09:47] <hateball> I have also seen some bugs related to the notification plasmoid, that gobbles CPU when it updates the progress of file operations down in the tray
[09:48] <timss> yossarianuk: hateball: I'm running 367.57 atm, any particular reason you'd expect the 375 to be much better? I've used a few iterations of drivers on this card without much difference.
[09:48] <yossarianuk> filesystem doesn't matter - fat/ext4 /ntfs i.e using dd makes my machine unusable
[09:48] <soee> 375.20 has one serious bug where opengl apps have poor performance
[09:49] <hateball> yossarianuk: hmmm, using dd would rule out the notification plasmoid as well
[09:49] <yossarianuk> sound skips, mouse lag, just typing this is a nightmare
[09:49] <yossarianuk> doesn't happen on my i5 desktop ...
[09:50] <yossarianuk> anythinng I can do to help troubleshoot - i.e any logs ,,  etc
[09:50] <soee> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/977518/linux/problems-with-multiple-opengl-applications-running-simultaneously-with-375-20-on-a-gtx970/
[09:50] <yossarianuk> cpu load is fairly high
[09:51] <yossarianuk> not sure if this is ubuntu/kubuntu specific as i've only used *buntu based distros on this machine
[09:51] <yossarianuk> happened to 16.04 also
[09:51] <yossarianuk> (on 16.10)
[09:52] <soee> so it also makes screenlocker crash and you have to switch tty yo unlock screen :)
[09:52] <timss> soee: thanks for the heads up
[09:52] <soee> "The regression was identified, so the next 375.XX release will carry a fix. In the meantime, there is no workaround that we can offer, so please downgrade the driver to 375.10."
[09:56] <yossarianuk> 370.28 performed better in some steam games than 367
[09:57] <yossarianuk> nogt benchmarked 375 - and yes I've had the unlock bug - its easy to sorft out though
[10:05] <yossarianuk> I can see this in dmesg -> scsi host4: runtime PM trying to activate child device host4 but parent (2-1:1.0) is not active
[10:14] <viewer|68393> Hi, since a couple of days (last update) the konsole doesn't start. Encountered on 3 computers (Yakkety)
[10:14] <viewer|68393> Any clues?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:16] <yocs0000> Hi all! Yesterday update usate the aduio system .... the priority list was altered and caused quite a few problems ....
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, what problems?
[14:51] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: got to the office, and the external headset was excluded, which blasted sound across the offices. The priority list was reversed.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, check your multimedia hardware setting in system settings and make sure automute is disabled and relevant controls in alsamixer are turned on and not muted(MM)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to do
[14:56] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: yes, of course .... but the point here is that the update overrode th previous settings.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> sometimes updates, especially upgrades also change the config files back to defualt settings
[14:58] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl
[15:08] <viewer|74979> Hi
[15:09] <viewer|74979> I am trying to install Kubuntu in virtualbox as a guest
[15:09] <viewer|74979> while the most is mac os sierra
[15:09] <viewer|74979> its stuck on a window with a blank
[15:09] <viewer|74979> any suggestions?
[17:54] <arensre> Hi
[17:55] <sintre> hi
[17:56] <arensre> nothing goin on hear :)
[17:56] <sintre> same , just waiting till time to do turkey rounds
[19:21] <yocs0000> OK, bluetooth does not work anymore .... yet everything seems to be set up properly. Yet I keep getting obexd service not running.
[19:57] <yocs0000> OK, bluetooth does not work anymore .... yet everything seems to be set up properly. Yet I keep getting obexd service not running.
[20:11] <sintre> well one thx giving dinne rover
[20:11] <yocs0000> hu guys! Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running."
[20:12] <sintre> well seems for some reason using different usb port when installing wokre dnow kubuntu actually booted from ssd
[20:12] <sintre> anybody know the command sequence to update all packages
[20:13] <yocs0000> sintre: I do not understand ....
[20:13] <yocs0000> sintre: like upgrading the release?
[20:14] <sintre> yea couple days ago somebody gave me some back door terminal command
[20:14] <sintre> then it well went to work for thirty minutes
[20:14] <sintre> was like three different lines
[20:15] <sintre> no biggy , sure some more people will be around later
[20:15] <sintre> i gott head off for turkey dinner # 2 here in an hour
[20:15] <yocs0000> sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:16] <yocs0000> sintre:
[20:17] <sintre> here
[20:17] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, one should always update and upgrade your packages first
[20:17] <sintre> ok where to start guys nothing done yet
[20:17] <sintre> it says no packages to be updated
[20:17] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course, do we need to say that?!
[20:18] <sintre> ok just had it find some downloaded those now
[20:18] <yocs0000> sintre: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:18] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, yes, users just need a reminder
[20:18] <yocs0000> sintre: then you do sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:18] <sintre> yea k got it , it  magically found some in 5 minutes lol
[20:18] <sintre> thx
[20:18] <BluesKaj> apt full-upgrade
[20:19] <yocs0000> Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running." Anone with the same problem?
[20:20] <sintre> wish i could help , i don't even own a blu tooth device
[20:22] <yocs0000> I so hate the fact that muon does not refresh the databas ebetween searches and installtions
[20:25] <sintre> moun seems to never ever search a data base for me lol
[20:25] <sintre> just the top programs on front page
[20:25] <yocs0000> anyway, time to go. Have a good upgrade sintre .... yes, it is not only you. I am completely fed up. I am in half a mind ot move to unity. FFS.
[20:25] <sintre> had to us the ubuntu package thing to put some waste time game son
[20:26] <sintre> c ya
[20:33] <sintre> lol funn followed commands , then tell me no new release found
[20:38] <BluesKaj> sintre,  turn off the LTS only option and change it to normal in the update manager
[20:40] <sintre> there we go its rolling now
[20:40] <sintre> thanks a ton
[20:41] <BluesKaj> np
[20:42] <yocs0000> Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running." Anone with the same problem?
[20:44] <sintre> check forums for blu tooth problems , maybe somebody has come across it before?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, make sure bluez-obexd is installed
[20:44] <yocs0000> sintre: this is the last resort, if I had found a solution in the forum would not be here ....
[20:45] <sintre> :(
[20:45] <yocs0000> bluez-obexd is already the newest version (5.41-0ubuntu3). BluesKaj
[20:45] <sintre> is it just one device or all of them?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, ok install bluetooth
[20:47] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> it has the plugins
[20:49] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth
[20:49] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course I have bluetooth installed :)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> well, it's not installed here by defualt
[20:49] <BluesKaj> default even
[20:52] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course, but I need to use it so I installed it .... the point is it worked perfectly well in 16.04, upgraded to 16.10 it does not work anymore together with many other things!
[20:52] <sintre> now you tell me when i just started to upgrade :)
[20:52] <sintre> then again i'm just happy i got the thing to install properly
[20:52] <sintre> :)
[20:53] <sintre> still upacking packages now
[20:54] <BluesKaj> calling it a day ...later
[23:24] <schnoodles> What is the proper way to remove .deb from kubuntu? It never appears in Discover but does in the old "synaptic"


[16:06] <Snicers> Good morning.
[16:53] <Snicers-Work> Hey funnylookinhat
[16:55] <funnylookinhat> Howdy
[16:55] <funnylookinhat> Snicers-Work, what's up
[17:01] <Snicers-Work> Not much, just trying to breath some life into this channel? So what do you guys use Ubuntu for?
[17:25] <funnylookinhat> hahaha
[17:25] <funnylookinhat> Clearly needs some life judging by my response times :)
[17:25] <Snicers-Work> lol, yeah it does.
[17:26] <funnylookinhat> Most of us just idle for kicks and giggles...
[17:26] <Snicers-Work> sudo aptitude install crp
[17:26] <Snicers-Work> lol yeah, I figured so much.
[17:27] <funnylookinhat> TBH, the group isn't that active beyond release parties.
[17:27] <funnylookinhat> But we're going to be working to help present Ubuntu / FOSS at the TIE Colorado conference this summer.
[17:28] <funnylookinhat> A lot of that falls on my lack of time, etc.
[17:28] <funnylookinhat> Getting married does that to ya ;)
[17:28] <Snicers-Work> lol, I am only on here while I am at work so I hear ya.
[17:31] <funnylookinhat> Hah
[17:32] <donke197> gnome 3 needs a lot of work
[17:32] <donke197> they shouldn't have moved it from beta status
[17:32] <funnylookinhat> No kidding.
[17:32] <funnylookinhat> Unity also needs a lot of work.
[17:33] <funnylookinhat> And I still prefer Gnome 2 to either or them.
[17:33] <donkeyofdarkness> I'm thinking about restoring a backup on my computer at work because of the gnome 3 bugs
[17:33] <donkeyofdarkness> I use Arch Linux there and they removed Gnome 2 from the repos
[17:33] <Snicers-Work> I pretty much never use the desktop, I use the terminal for everything I do.
[17:34] <funnylookinhat> What?  Gross.
[17:34] <funnylookinhat> I use the terminal for everything server related, but I do a ton of dev work and IDEs are my lifeline.
[17:35] <donkeyofdarkness> I got an android 3.0 tablet the other day. I use that quite a bit now.
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> Oh nice
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> Which one?
[17:35] <Snicers-Work> All my Dev work is still done on Windows machines.
[17:35] <donkeyofdarkness> Acer Iconia A500
[17:35] <donkeyofdarkness> http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/iconia-tab-a500
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> OHHHH
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> Coool cool
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> How does it run?
[17:35] <funnylookinhat> Snicers-Work, I cry for you.
[17:35] <donkeyofdarkness> it's awesome
[17:36] <donkeyofdarkness> Honeycomb still has a few bugs but it's very nice overall
[17:36] <funnylookinhat> yeah for sure
[17:36] <funnylookinhat> I'm an Android dev, but haven't gotten my hands on a tablet yet
[17:36] <Snicers-Work> I wont get an Android tablet until there is a good IDE for php HTML, Javascript, ect.
[17:36] <funnylookinhat> lol
[17:36] <donkeyofdarkness> This one is only $450
[17:36] <funnylookinhat> Snicers-Work, How much will you pay me to port eclipse to Android?
[17:37] <Snicers-Work> lol, port komodo or netbeans and maybe we have a deal. Eclipse is fine and all but I got used to the others first
[17:37] <Snicers-Work> How much would you charge to port it?
[17:38] <donkeyofdarkness> The codec support on this is shameful but MoboPlayer uses ffmpeg and is optimized for Tegra 2 so I'm able to play everything now
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> Um
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> LOTS
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> Ll
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> lo
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> I'd have to convert all of the GUI
[17:39] <funnylookinhat> that's nuts.
[17:40] <funnylookinhat> Building any of those IDE layouts in XML would kill me.
[17:40] <donkeyofdarkness> No one would do that for cheap
[17:40] <donkeyofdarkness> lol
[17:40] <donkeyofdarkness> it would probably be easier to just make a new app
[17:41] <funnylookinhat> Yeah.
[17:41] <funnylookinhat> Not a bad idea though, actually.
[17:42] <funnylookinhat> Given that a lot of these tablets have docking stations and/or the ability to use a mouse/keyboard.
[17:42] <donkeyofdarkness> There's Touchqode in the market. It has syntax highlighting.
[17:42] <Snicers-Work> Yeah, it would launch a whole new expierience for tablet devices.
[17:42] <donkeyofdarkness> I can plug usb keyboards into my tablet
[17:42] <Snicers-Work> http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/iconia-tab-w500
[17:42] <Snicers-Work> Yeah, I would take that everywhere.
[17:43] <funnylookinhat> nice
[17:43] <donkeyofdarkness> The W500 is windows
[17:43] <donkeyofdarkness> :/
[17:43] <funnylookinhat> Well if you start a github project for it I'll join up and help.
[17:45] <donkeyofdarkness> I don't know anything about android development. I've only done php and a few command line java apps.
[17:45] <Snicers-Work> I am learning Android development, just finding it hard to dive into it.
[17:47] <funnylookinhat> Ah
[17:47] <funnylookinhat> It's pretty fun stuff
[17:48] <Snicers-Work> I bet.
[17:49] <Snicers-Work> https://github.com/ondemanddesign/AndroIDE <- is this what you need? (my first time on github).
[17:54] <donkeyofdarkness> I was looking for a free Office app in the honeycomb market just now and found a porn app
[17:54] <donkeyofdarkness> wtf
[17:54] <Snicers-Work> really??
[17:54] <donkeyofdarkness> yeah
[17:54] <Snicers-Work> What is it called?
[17:54] <Snicers-Work> For reporting purposes lol.
[17:54] <donkeyofdarkness> Pocket Girlfriend
[17:54] <donkeyofdarkness> 99 cents
[17:55] <donkeyofdarkness> It has voice recognition
[17:55] <donkeyofdarkness> It actually looks like a quality app
[17:56] <Snicers-Work> ah, no nudity though
[17:56] <Snicers-Work> That is why it is on the market
[17:56] <funnylookinhat> Snicers-Work, dangit - now you've got me pulled in.
[17:57] <Snicers-Work> funnylookinhat: it's a good thing, an IDE for android would be a great step for the platform.
[17:59] <Snicers-Work> scratch that, will be a great step.
[17:59] <funnylookinhat> Hah
[17:59] <donkeyofdarkness> Yo dawg I heard you like apps and you like making apps so I made an app that lets you make apps.
[17:59] <donkeyofdarkness> There's a description for you when you submit it to the market ^
[18:00] <funnylookinhat> LOLZ
[18:00] <Snicers-Work> haha, I love it.
[18:02] <funnylookinhat> Snicers-Work, https://github.com/ondemanddesign = you ?
[18:02] <Snicers-Work> yeah
[18:03] <Snicers-Work> Have you used git a lot funnylookinhat?
[18:09] <funnylookinhat> Not really
[18:09] <funnylookinhat> Been meaning to but haven't found a project worth putting up there.
[18:09] <funnylookinhat> I might be open sourcing the code for pegshot.com -
[18:10] <funnylookinhat> It's a startup I built that does photo/video sharing with place tagging, etc.
[18:10] <Snicers-Work> Ah, well I will figure out this RSA key and then we can get this rolling.
[18:10] <funnylookinhat> lol
[18:10] <funnylookinhat> I don't even have a tablet to test on
[18:10] <funnylookinhat> I'm afraid I'm not the best person to spearhead that sort of thing :)
[18:11] <Snicers-Work> I can find people lol, shouldn't be too  hard.
[18:13] <funnylookinhat> Find me a tablet too please.
[18:13] <funnylookinhat> :)
[18:13] <Snicers-Work> lol, on my list.
[18:13] <donkeyofdarkness> Would be kinda cool to plug a tablet into a 50" tv and code on it
[18:14] <Snicers-Work> Yes, yes it would be.
[18:15] <Snicers-Work> I would have to settle for my 46"
[18:39] <funnylookinhat> 32" here...  :-/
[18:39] <funnylookinhat> But my place is too small for anything else.
[18:43] <Snicers-Work> Damn, I can't figure out this public key thing for git.
[18:46] <Snicers-Work> Woohoo, figured it out.
[18:51] <Snicers-Work> brb
[19:03] <Snicers-Work> Ok, AndroIDE is started on github, now I just need to learn Android DEV.
[19:05] <donkeyofdarkness> I think the characters should have flames coming off them as you type
[19:06] <donkeyofdarkness> That should encourage faster coding
[19:17] <Snicers-Work> Haha, I'll notch it on the feature list.
[19:57] <funnylookinhat> omg.
[19:57] <funnylookinhat> lol
[19:57] <funnylookinhat> You're both fired.
[20:00] <Snicers-Work> lol
[20:39] <MitchM> The bobs say you're fired.
[20:42] <funnylookinhat> heh
[21:35] <Snicers-Work> Should never have agreed to flame animated text...
[21:57] <donkeyofdarkness> just have an option to turn it off
[21:57] <donkeyofdarkness> But by default it should definitely be on
[22:20] <Snicers-Work> Haha, we will see. It would probably be a resource hog.