[07:24] <Seveas> which will then e searchable by apt-cache and synaptic
[07:24] <Se7h> but i guess its just the same
[07:24] <[nrx_] > Seveas, where is the list of applications stored?
[07:24] <Seveas> /var/lib/apt/lists
[07:25] <GarySaved> It seems odd, as the Hoary site says to please use the torrents.
[07:25] <PacoBCN> Se7h, yes
[07:27] <bitar> hey all..
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > can anyone help me ?
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > with ubuntu ?
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > my mouse wont work
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > and i know the mouse works
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > and i tried 2 diff ones
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > what can i do ?
[07:28] <Seveas> chase th cat away
[07:28] <GarySaved> Does anyone have a torrent link other than Hoary that I can try to see if it does work at all?
[07:28] <Seveas> describe "don't work", does it do nothing at all? What type of mouse is it?
[07:29] <membreya> Seveas: 1100 111000010<PHONE_NUMBER>000 001001
[07:29] <ions> is it usb?  does lsusb see it?
[07:29] <bitar> as soon as i log in Ubuntu, it tells me " Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /ect/hosts... and 2 add to this,  when i got to Computer/System Configuration/Networking... it does as if it's searching for it but then nothin is displayed... what do you think is the problem?
[07:29] <Seveas> 01101101 01100101 01101101 01100010 01110010 01100101 01111001 01100001 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 00111010 01110000
[07:29] <PacoBCN> yes, let's start talking binary
[07:29] <goldfish> haha
[07:29] <Seveas> only to membreya PacoBCN
[07:29] <membreya> :P
[07:29] <goldfish> irssi has a handy binary script
[07:29] <Seveas> goldfish, i just created one for xchat
[07:30] <Seveas> (3 mins of python coding :))
[07:30] <PacoBCN> our geekness would exceed the allowed level
[07:30] <Seveas> PacoBCN, absolutely :)
[07:30] <membreya> PacoBCN: it's Seveas' fault .. I was pointing out how his answers are typically binary ..eg on or off ... yes or no :P
[07:30] <airox> Irssi has a blowfish one to! It's far more nicer ;)
[07:30] <Seveas> ai :)
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > well
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > its a really old computer
[07:30] <PacoBCN> btw, seems that it's impossible to upgrade things now since servers are too slow
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > that dont even have usb
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:30] <PacoBCN> so...
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > and it is a microsoft mouse :P
[07:30] <membreya> Seveas: write me a script for konversation :P
[07:30] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , is it ps2 or serial?
[07:31] <PacoBCN> I think it's time for Enemy Territory, awaiting for the day Ubuntuers will have their own server
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > serial
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > old
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:31] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , i believe these aren't supported
[07:31] <Seveas> ask in #ubuntu-devel
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:32] <HoMiE-[G] > thanks
[07:33] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:33] <HoMiE-[G] > no one is answering me :P
[07:33] <bitar> can anyone help me out?
[07:33] <sig> whats the question bitar ?
[07:33] <bitar> as soon as i log in Ubuntu, it tells me " Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /ect/hosts... and 2 add to this,  when i got to Computer/System Configuration/Networking... it does as if it's searching for it but then nothin is displayed... what do you think is the problem?
[07:34] <djp> does anyone know of a way to improve the text when viewing a pdf file under xpdf?
[07:34] <sig> bitar: hostname
[07:34] <bitar> sig: excuse me?
[07:35] <sig> your hostname is the problem it seems
[07:35] <bitar> what can i do to fix it?
[07:35] <synd> hey guys when i try to install the recent version of firefox (1.0.2) it gets this error: Fatal error [-618] : Couldn't open xpistub library
[07:36] <sig> bitar: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changecomputername
[07:36] <j^> hi, is the trashapplet icon broken in hoary, or is it on my installation only?
[07:36] <PacoBCN> I got disconnected: I found out Ubuntu doesn't work if my laptop has no battery and the power cable isn't plugged :)
[07:37] <synd> PacoBCN: that could pose a problem
[07:37] <PacoBCN> synd, indeed, I'm gonna complain!
[07:37] <Seq> PacoBCN: yeah, i can reproduce that as well
[07:38] <PacoBCN> however, beyond the jokes, there is no alert saying the battery is low
[07:38] <sig> PacoBCN: why not use the battery applet
[07:38] <Seq> PacoBCN: if you have the batstat applet on your panel somewhere, you should get a warning
[07:38] <sig> thats what I use....
[07:38] <synd> PacoBCN: i have the same problem on mine..
[07:38] <sig> it warns you with a message and a beep
[07:38] <bitar> sig: site not workin :S
[07:38] <PacoBCN> I have the default applet
[07:39] <synd> PacoBCN: it just sits there on 0%
[07:39] <synd> when i know its 100% full
[07:39] <PacoBCN> which shows you the battery charge and or if it's plugged the power cable
[07:39] <sig> bitar: http://linux.harrisplace.net/ubuntu4.10/#changecomputername
[07:39] <beerorkid> I had to type ubuntu acpi=off to get ubuntu to load on my laptop.  So I have not tried to get acpi working again, and yeah no battery status
[07:39] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] ,
[07:39] <Seq> synd: you should try using apm instead of acpi, see if it registers then?
[07:39] <kkathman> synd: run firefox-installer  instead of firefox-installer.bin  I think that will solve the problem
[07:39] <Seveas> are you running warty or hoary?
[07:39] <synd> kkathman: thanks, ill try that
[07:40] <PacoBCN> synd, yes, lately I've found more errors than 3 months ago
[07:40] <synd> Seq: how do i go by using apm?
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > warty
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > i think
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > yeah
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > it is
[07:40] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , then do this:
 PacoBCN: it just sits there
[07:40] <sig> bitar: bookmark http://ubuntuguide.org  <--- this is your best buddy
[07:40] <Seveas> ehm sorry
[07:40] <Seq> synd: it should be in the wiki. i'm not sure because my battery seems to be the opposite and doesn't report anything with apm
[07:40] <Seveas> wrong paste :)
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:40] <synd> haha.
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:41] <Seveas> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[07:41] <bitar> sig: alright.. thx...
[07:41] <tizen> ubuntuguide.org should be a default bookmark with firefox
[07:41] <Seveas> there it is :)
[07:41] <HoMiE-[G] > thanks man
[07:41] <sig> bitar: most likely after you make the change you will need to restart
[07:41] <HoMiE-[G] > i appreciate that
[07:41] <bitar> sig: the site you game me will help me out ?
[07:41] <sig> yes
[07:41] <sig> it has all sorts of good questions/answers
[07:43] <synd> kkathman: what directory is firefox installed at?
[07:44] <sig> synd: type: which firefox
[07:44] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ which firefox
[07:44] <sig> /usr/bin/firefox
[07:44] <sig> or locate
[07:45] <synd> oh thanks for that!
[07:45] <sig> which is nice
[07:45] <sig> which, less, ps -ef, etc... all sorts of neat tools
[07:45] <synd> ..im on the 3rd day of ubuntu (linux for that matter)
[07:46] <sig> synd: you are looking at: http://ubuntuguide.org correct?
[07:46] <synd> sig: yup
[07:46] <sig> this will answer a lot of your questions
[07:46] <sig> ok good
[07:46] <synd> thankfully, i found it before i found out about this irc chan
[07:47] <synd> a few days ago i was clueless how to install anything
[07:48] <HoMiE-[G] > Seveas Thanks it worked !!
[07:49] <Seveas> nice
[07:49] <GarySaved> I decided to try bittornado, since I can not get bittorent to work.  Of course it is not on the menu.  Any idea what I would type to start bittornado ?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> GarySaved, did you try Azureus?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> it's pretty cool
[07:49] <brazilian> hi, someone can help me with wireless?
[07:49] <sig> GarySaved: you say it is installed but you don't know what to type?
[07:50] <GarySaved> Synaptic says it is installed, but it is not in the menu system.
[07:50] <synd> where shall i install firefox.. ie. that it replaces the old version automatically? in /usr/bin/firefox ?
[07:50] <sig> GarySaved: most of the times it won't get put in them menu
[07:50] <queuetue> Where would I look to determine if a SB live is supported well under linux?  (I'm looking for hardware that can handle multiple channels at once under ALSA)
[07:51] <sig> GarySaved: type the name in a terminal
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > yo im if using a pppoe connection
[07:51] <sig> you'll have to manually add it to your menu
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > how do i set it up with linux ?
[07:51] <Xappe> queuetue: sb live should be well supported
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > i have a manual from isp
[07:51] <sig> HoMiE-[G] : with the networking tool
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > but nothin on linux
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > sorry
[07:51] <dockane> "mounnt /dev/hda2 /media/windows " freezes mysystem completly. is that a known problem with hoary ? (its a ntfs partition)
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > firsti time user
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > never seen linux before
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:51] <sig> computer > systemconfiguration > networking
[07:52] <synd> dockane:  i read somewhere that a fat32 partition is better ? iono
[07:52] <GarySaved> I get nothing for bittornado and bittornado-gui
[07:52] <queuetue> Xappe, with multiple alsa channels?
[07:52] <sig> GarySaved: try bt
[07:52] <sig> ?
[07:53] <dockane> synd, must have to do with ubuntu. knoppix works well with the partitin (its read only but thats ok for me)
[07:53] <GarySaved> sig, Nothing for bt either.
[07:53] <dockane> *partition
[07:53] <Xappe> queuetue: iirc I read that sb live should be a good cheap alternative if you want to get rid of the sound servers
[07:54] <sig> garrut: open synaptec and read the description
[07:54] <sig> it might say the start command
[07:54] <queuetue> Xappe, Thanks.
[07:54] <Xappe> queuetue: i would do some googling though :)
[07:55] <queuetue> What is an expensive audio card?  I'm just curious what features they would have...
[07:55] <Xappe> queuetue: low latency
[07:55] <queuetue> I notice the same card is way more expensive on the macintosh sites. :)
[07:56] <Albacker> guys, I do "mplayer file.mp3" and I can hear the sound of the file. I do xmms file.mp3 and it doesnt do anything :(
[07:56] <Xappe> queuetue: they've probably painted it with airbrush or something ;D
[07:57] <menator> moo
[07:57] <Xappe> Albacker: change the xmms sound output to esd
[07:57] <GarySaved> Does anyone know why bittorrent does not allow me to download hoary?  It says 'requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker'.
[07:57] <queuetue> Is an Audigy a high-end card?
[07:57] <sig> Albacker: http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer
[07:58] <Albacker> Xappe, that doesnt work.
[07:58] <djp> anyone know how to improve text quality of pdf's when viewing them with xpdf?
[07:59] <synd> queuetue: kinda
[07:59] <Albacker> damn, dunno what's the problem with this one.
[07:59] <sig> djp: ubuntuguide.org  get acroread
[08:00] <queuetue> synd, What is an actual honet-to-goodness high-end card, then?  I just want to establish a range.
[08:00] <fissy> is anyone else finding it impossible to change icon themes in hoary?
[08:00] <dieffel> hello all! I've have a prob. I have installed gDesklets, but my sensors wont work/show any info. What's wrong???
[08:00] <synd> queuetue: terratec
[08:00] <HoMiE-[G] > hry
[08:00] <HoMiE-[G] > hey*
[08:00] <Xappe> dieffel: install the sensors needed
[08:01] <HoMiE-[G] > i dont see a thing for pppoe connection
[08:01] <GarySaved> There is no help, or even an about screen with bittorrent.
[08:01] <synd> queuetue: Terratec's Aureon Sky and Terratec's Aureon Space.. i believe the sky has 5.1, the space has 7.1
[08:01] <dieffel> Xappe, ok, i need temp, and batt. and wireless sensors... how do i install those?
[08:02] <queuetue> syn-ack, Are those supported under linux?
[08:02] <Xappe> dieffel: iirc lmsensors should cover most of the default gdesklets that come with the ubuntu package
[08:02] <synd> queuetue: dont have the slightest clue, i would think so
[08:03] <djp> anyone know how to improve text quality under xdpf?
[08:03] <menator> djp: I've never had great quality when using xpdf
[08:03] <synd> queuetue: the creative audigy 2 platinum ex is even better though
[08:03] <dieffel> Xappe, ok i try to download lmsensors.
[08:04] <menator> djp: I've only had really good quality with acrobats linux version.
[08:04] <Xappe> dieffel: there's a guide for installing them on the forum somewhere
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > anyone ?
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > i cant get my internet to work
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:04] <dieffel> Xappe, on the ubuntufrum? i'll try to lookat them.
[08:05] <Bazzi> HoMiE-[G]  you are on it already.
[08:05] <Xappe> dieffel: yes
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > no
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > another computer
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > tat is sitting right next to me
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:06] <Albacker> can anyone help me with this weired sound problem. I can play mp3s with mplayer and I canot with xmms. ???
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > im using windows now
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > on my new computer
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > i need to setup a pppoe connection
[08:06] <WeirdAl> Hullo.
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > but i dont know how
[08:06] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:06] <randabis> HoMiE-[G] , this is not a windows support channel
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > yeah i know
[08:07] <menator> Albacker: do you have xmms sounds server settings correct?
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > im talking about linux
[08:07] <synd> queuetue: m-audio makes some very nice high end cards as well.
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:07] <randabis> ok
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > im on windows now
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > cause my isp gave me a cd
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > to set it up
[08:07] <Albacker> menator how do I know that ?
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > but it dont support linux
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > :(
[08:08] <Albacker> menator : i have set the output to alsa, oss, esd etc. . it plays only in oss [looks like it plays]  but I cant hear any sound.
[08:08] <randabis> there are tools in gnome and/or kde that assist with setting up pppoe connections
[08:08] <HoMiE-[G] > in gnome
[08:08] <Xappe> Albacker: and you've tried the esd sound output without any luck?
[08:09] <menator> Albacker: use alternate device is not checked right?
[08:09] <HoMiE-[G] > gnome is a site ?
[08:09] <Albacker> Xappe, I tried all the outputs.
[08:09] <Xappe> ok
[08:10] <geneo93> who is kde garu
[08:10] <Xappe> HoMiE-[G] : gnome is your desktop environment by default in ubuntu
[08:10] <Albacker> menator, they are set to /dev/dsp since there is no /dev/dsp I changed it to dsp0 and mixer0. . . but it doesnt play any sound./
[08:10] <djp> menator: real shame... i don't want to use acrobat on my vrms authenticated ubuntu install! ;)
[08:10] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:10] <HoMiE-[G] > but i cant find any apps to ghelp me set that up
[08:10] <LeeColleton> sabmoc: Will there be an Ubuntu desk at Linux Fest North West?
[08:10] <james_> does anyone have experience with mounting SATA hard drives?
[08:10] <menator> Albacker: have you tried un-checking those?
[08:11] <E0x> hello
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: I usually let the sound server find the defaultdevice.
[08:11] <Bazzi> HoMiE-[G]  there is some pppoe tool in the menu
[08:11] <Albacker> menatori : yes.
[08:11] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:11] <HoMiE-[G] > 1 sec
[08:11] <E0x> anybody with hoary+maya6.5 ?
[08:11] <Albacker> menator : might it be that I dont have the xmms-mp3-plugin ?
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: Xmms is good, but you might want to try beep-media-player
[08:11] <Albacker> menator how ?
[08:11] <Albacker> menator : i cant run alsamixer too
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: that could it as well.
[08:12] <menator> Albacker: install alsa-utils
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > when i click help
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > or on gnome
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > nothing runs
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:12] <Albacker> I'm installing alsa-module atm
[08:13] <Albacker> Please check that:
[08:13] <Albacker> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected
[08:13] <Albacker> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard
[08:13] <Albacker> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly
[08:13] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get (or Synaptic of course) so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:13] <HoMiE-[G] > in the bottom it says starting help
[08:13] <HoMiE-[G] > but then it shuts off :(
[08:13] <menator> Albacker: try switching the device, but don't check that other device box.
[08:13] <Albacker> menator ??
[08:14] <WeirdAl> Dr Will! You might know this :-)
[08:14] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get (or Synaptic of course) so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:14] <queuetue> WeirdAl, Try trickle
[08:14] <WeirdAl> how do I use that?
[08:14] <menator> Albacker: sorry I'm going off of beep-media-player, I'm not sure if xmms has that. one sec.
[08:14] <WeirdAl> blah |trickle?
[08:14] <Albacker> menator : it looks the same as xmms
[08:15] <WeirdAl> or trickle <blah> ?
[08:15] <queuetue> WeirdAl, apt-cache show trickle
[08:15] <Albacker> menator : with OSS i get the same thing as xmms and with alsa I get nothing
[08:15] <james_> can anyone help me with a SATA hard drive mounting problem?
[08:15] <Albacker> menator : I'm getting alsa utils
[08:15] <queuetue> http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle
[08:16] <menator> Albacker: that error is because its not set to the right device. What sound card do you have?
[08:16] <Albacker> intel
[08:16] <Albacker> i810.
[08:16] <WeirdAl> Thank you! :-)
[08:17] <menator> Albacker: do a 'lsmod' at the console and see if snd-intel8x0 module is loaded.
[08:17] <deku> does anyone know if usb jumpdrive support is broken in hoary?
[08:17] <deku> the damned thing won't autodetect.
[08:17] <Albacker> lsmod | grep snd-intel
[08:18] <Albacker> I got nothing from  that : menator
[08:18] <Xira> Anyone have a screenshot of their hoary desk?
[08:18] <deku> i do.  looks rather normal.
[08:19] <WeirdAl> :-( queuetue, it's just saying "trickle: command not found". I'm doing "sudo trickle -d 20 apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:19] <WeirdAl> "
[08:19] <menator> Albacker: you don't have the module loaded or you didn't get any output from lsmod?
[08:19] <queuetue> I can if you want - it looks like this irc window, full-screen. :)
[08:19] <Xira> is it default deku ?
[08:19] <Myrtti> Xira: define hoary desk. What do you want to see in it?
[08:19] <Albacker> menator what to do ?
[08:19] <Xira> I'd just like to see the default Hoary desk - recently done a system wide upgrade
[08:19] <deku> i'm about to punch both ubuntu and lexar in the head.
[08:19] <Xira> My Human theme has changed
[08:19] <Myrtti> oh
[08:19] <Xira> and I like the older one better
[08:19] <Xira> and I'd like to know how to get it back
[08:20] <menator> Albacker: go to console and run this command: 'lsmod | grep -i intel'
[08:20] <Xira> Does anyone know how?
[08:20] <queuetue> WeirdAl, You hav eto install it first. :)
[08:20] <WeirdAl> It is installed ... isn't it?
[08:20] <WeirdAl> Aah
[08:20] <WeirdAl> I thought it was -- crap
[08:20] <WeirdAl> :-(
[08:20] <WeirdAl> foot-->mouth
[08:20] <WeirdAl> sorry
[08:21] <Xira> Does anyone know how to get the default Human theme back, I recently did a systemwide upgrade and it updated my Human to the clearlooks base.. does anyone know how to get the old one back?
[08:22] <AMIGrAve> i can't find libapache-mod-php4 there's only libapache2-mod-php4 is that normal ?
[08:22] <Xira> Anyone?
[08:23] <synd> hey, im trying to get APM enabled and im following the SuspendHowto and im at the part where it tells me to edit the #kopt line of my /boot/grub/menu.lst file so that it ends with apm=on, but I dont see a #kopt line in the menu.lst file?
[08:23] <WeirdAl> I just started getting a "Failed to fork" error from GAIM.
[08:23] <WeirdAl> oh, from everything.
[08:23] <WeirdAl> brb.
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:24] <queuetue> Out of swap. :)
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > can someone h4elp me now ?
[08:24] <airox> synd: It should be in there.
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > i got into the gnome thing
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > but i dont see pppoe
[08:25] <synd> airox: i see a # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro
[08:25] <Xira> Anyone here running hoary and do a systemwide apt-get upgrade?
[08:25] <alterim> okay. i STILL need help understanding apt/synaptic
[08:25] <alterim> anyone help me?
[08:25] <Xira> alterim, I can try.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> Xira,  i did the other day I belive - after i did a clean install.
[08:26] <synd> airox: do i just add apm=on to the end of that or what? so that it looks like # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro apm=on ?
[08:26] <airox> synd: That's the one.
[08:26] <Xira> Dr_Willis, me too. Did you notice the human theme change?
[08:26] <airox> synd: You do know that acpi can also do a resume ?
[08:26] <airox> synd: I have suspend to ram and suspend to disk working.
[08:27] <synd> airox: yes, but acpi doesnt work with my older p3 laptop..
[08:27] <airox> synd: My laptop is also p3 :)
[08:27] <airox> synd: But it could be that it doesn't support it yeah
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> Xira,  not really :P
[08:27] <synd> airox: well.. hmm. i was told to try apm.. because the battery meter is constantly showing 0%, even when i know its 100%
[08:28] <airox> synd: Ok.
[08:28] <HoMiE-[G] > synd where do i find is pppoe thing i cant see it
[08:28] <Xira> Dr_Willis, but it's there. You see it right? The theme is now based on Clearlooks
[08:28] <synd> airox: so, is # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro apm=on correct? i really have no idea
[08:29] <Nap> hello all
[08:29] <airox> synd: If the howto sais so :)
[08:29] <airox> synd: I had something like this: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro resume=/dev/hda2
[08:30] <airox> synd: That's with acpi.
[08:30] <synd> ah, i see.
[08:30] <synd> well theres nothing in there at all
[08:30] <Nap> since today's upgrade of my hoary, my screen don't want to go beyond 1024x768
[08:30] <synd> should i try acpi instead?
[08:30] <Nap> I use a nvidia  on a 17'' screen
[08:30] <Nap> I got the problem with nvidia and nv drivers
[08:30] <airox> synd: Do you have things like /proc/acpi ?
[08:31] <falcon3> i keep geting "totem could not startup, resource busy or not available" on starting totem.
[08:31] <airox> Nap: Those are 2 things ...
[08:31] <Nap> airox: yes ?
[08:31] <synd> airox: i dont
[08:31] <airox> synd: hmm ..
[08:31] <Nap> what's the problem ?
[08:31] <neighborlee> is anyone else destkop instability  (hoary) in that when I come back to computer from sleep mode all night that after trying to start say a app from the main menu, I get no 'app' started and the desktop then crashes to point nothing works and I have to hard restart my system.  Its been doing this  consistently now for several days and wondering if anyone else is seeing this??????
[08:32] <airox> synd: I would suggest not altering kopt yet and first do some editing with grub interactively and try some combo's to see what is working and what will not work.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just disable all that sleep and suspend stuff. :P
[08:32] <Nap> neighborlee: stop gdm, empty /tmp, start gdm
[08:32] <airox> synd: noacpi apm=on acpi=off
[08:33] <falcon3> i keep geting "totem could not startup, resource busy or not available" on starting totem.
[08:33] <neighborlee> Nap, are you saying this is a known issue ?
[08:33] <synd> airox: in term ?
[08:33] <airox> synd: You know howto add these options interactively with grub ?
[08:33] <Nap> neighborlee:  known on my desktop :)
[08:33] <neighborlee> Nap, so your get this behavior like everyday as well ?
[08:34] <Nap> neighborlee: just a few days in the past, until I emptied my /tmp
[08:34] <djtansey> is there a way to have a DVD that is mounted (shown on the desktop) open up and play? i use hoary and my DVDs are automounted. but if i still have it mounted and don't have totem still open, i can't right click the icon and say "play with totem" or even goto totem and say "movie->play disc" because it says tthere is no entry for /dev/hdc in fstab
[08:34] <synd> airox: i dont,.
[08:34] <neighborlee> Nap, if so , do you know if the devs are aware and working on fix ?
[08:34] <Nap> neighborlee: I think the problem was just a savage upgrade of gnome
[08:34] <neighborlee> Nap, Im asking because i've seen tons of updates come through  the updater but this issue remains
[08:35] <neighborlee> Nap, ah okay I did wonder
[08:35] <neighborlee> Nap, yeah
[08:35] <airox> synd: Well.. You have to reboot and when you see the grub menu (or when you see can press ESC and have done this) you have to hover on the ubuntu option and press 'e'
[08:35] <Nap> not really a gnome bug
[08:35] <airox> synd: Then you have to move to the kernel line and press 'e' again
[08:35] <Nap> neighborlee: now, please explain me why my screen does not want to do 1280x1024
[08:35] <Nap> :p
[08:35] <airox> synd: Then you are able to add those options. When it's done press [enter]  and press 'b'
[08:36] <airox> synd: Grub will now load the kernel with the given options and you can see if it's working by doing apm --suspend (was that the command??)
[08:36] <Nap> neighborlee: maybe delete or rename a few gnome personal directories in your $HOME
[08:36] <airox> synd: When you have the right options you can add them to the kopt line like you mentioned
[08:37] <synd> airox: noacpi apm=on acpi=off
[08:37] <synd> airox: right?
[08:37] <disposable> wtf is /.dev for?
[08:37] <airox> synd: Try some of them indeed.
[08:37] <airox> synd: Use all of them the first time. It should work then.
[08:38] <synd> airox: ok im in the grub thing..
[08:38] <synd> airox: i see root (dt0,0
[08:38] <synd> hd(0,0) *
[08:39] <synd> airox: kernel /boot/vmlinuz.-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[08:40] <lunitik> synd: you should add a vga= line there too so your terminal text isn't all huge...
[08:40] <lunitik> Prolly a good idea to get it to work first though  *nods*
[08:41] <airox> synd: Press 'e' now.
[08:41] <mxpxpod> how do I keep a partition from mounting when ubuntu starts up?
[08:41] <synd> airox: so im editing the kernel line?
[08:41] <mxpxpod> my macosx partition wants to mount every boot
[08:41] <airox> synd: Yeah.
[08:42] <synd> airox: ok im in that
[08:42] <Xappe> mxpxpod: remove it from fstab?
[08:42] <lunitik> mxpxpod: take it out of fstab?
[08:42] <lunitik> Xappe: damn you
[08:42] <synd> airox: i just add that command to the end of that?
[08:42] <Xappe> :)
[08:42] <mxpxpod> Xappe and lunitik: so how am I supposed to mount it when i want to mount it?
[08:42] <nekrataal> hi
[08:42] <airox> synd: apm=on noacpi acpi=off, yes
[08:43] <lunitik> mxpxpod: via mount?
[08:43] <Xappe> mxpxpod: with 'mount'
[08:43] <dockane_> where do i find the installation directory of xchat ?
[08:43] <airox> synd: without the ", yes"  :)
[08:43] <nekrataal> anyone knows wich package should i install so i can use the esddsp command?
[08:43] <lunitik> Xappe: haha punkass, beat you this time  *nana*
[08:43] <lunitik> :P
[08:43] <nekrataal> i neet to run Skype through esddsp pipe to enable sound
[08:43] <Xappe> lunitik: so now we're even huh?
[08:43] <mxpxpod> lunitik and Xappe: shouldn't there be an option to not mount certain partitions?  usually noauto does this, but it's not working
[08:43] <disposable> what is /.dev for? isn't /dev enough for ubuntu?
[08:44] <nekrataal> but i dont know how to install the pipe...anyone knows wich package should i install?
[08:44] <lunitik> mxpxpod: fstab is for mounting things at boot...
[08:44] <mxpxpod> lunitik: right
[08:44] <lunitik> mxpxpod: if you don't want that... you don't want it in fstab
[08:45] <mxpxpod> lunitik: what? no, fstab is to describe your file systems
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: you could do something like 'alias osx='mount -t hfs /dev/wherever /wherever -o whatever' though
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: still fast...
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: umm, no
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: its for mounting things at boot.
[08:45] <mxpxpod> lunitik: from the fstab man page:
[08:46] <mxpxpod> Common for all types of file system are
[08:46] <mxpxpod>        the options noauto (do not mount when "mount -a" is given, e.g., at
[08:46] <mxpxpod>        boot time),
[08:46] <synd> ai: what do i press to save this?
[08:46] <synd> airox: what do i press to save this?
[08:47] <synd> enter?
[08:47] <mxpxpod> lunitik: so, what that's saying is that if I put noauto as an option for a fs in fstab, it shouldn't mount
[08:47] <lunitik> mxpxpod: ok... then do it  :/
[08:47] <airox> airox: Uhm... afaik yes.
[08:47] <airox> err...
[08:47] <airox> synd: Uhm... afaik yes.
[08:47] <airox> :)
[08:47] <synd> :)
[08:48] <mxpxpod> lunitik: also, if fstab is only for boot, how would you set permissions for non-root users to open cdroms?
[08:48] <cmf> "users" option
[08:48] <cmf> mxpxpod: ^
[08:48] <lunitik> ^^
[08:48] <cmf> but hal should do that already, don't use fstab for removeable devices
[08:48] <mxpxpod> cmf: right, but if it's only for boot devices ;)
[08:48] <cmf> hal/pmount handles it
[08:48] <lunitik> or user=blah or uid=foo ...
[08:48] <cmf> mxpxpod: it's for any device
[08:49] <mxpxpod> cmf: I know that
[08:49] <cmf> ahh, i misread
[08:49] <lunitik> cmf: s/device/fs/  ... nfs is not a device...
[08:49] <cmf> what are you trying to do?
[08:49] <mxpxpod> cmf: keep my macosx from mounting at boot
[08:49] <mxpxpod> s/macosx/macosx partition/
[08:49] <lunitik> mxpxpod: you already figured out how yourself...
[08:50] <mxpxpod> lunitik: I already have that option and it doesn't work
[08:50] <airox> synd: Got it booting ?
[08:50] <lunitik> mxpxpod: there goes that theory then huh?
[08:50] <cmf> noauto
[08:50] <robodex> hey... just wondering, is there supposed to be 109 updates atm? I just updated last night, and I'm not sure if I screwed something up because I have 109 updates today O_O
[08:50] <Xappe> mxpxpod: comment the line out then
[08:50] <lunitik> mxpxpod: thanks for arguing with me... pleasure
[08:50] <mxpxpod> cmf: I have that option in my fstab already (/dev/hda7       /mnt/macosx     hfsplus defaults,users,noauto,rw  0 0)
[08:51] <mxpxpod> Xappe: yeah, and then I don't have access to that partition
[08:51] <Xappe> mxpxpod: you can mount it manually
[08:51] <airox> Why doesn't gdm support '&' in passwords ? :(
[08:51] <cmf> mxpxpod: no idea then
[08:51] <mxpxpod> *sigh*
[08:51] <cmf> sorry
[08:51] <cmf> why don't you want it to mount?
[08:51] <mxpxpod> I didn't know if pmount or hal had some option somewhere to keep a partition from mounting
[08:52] <mxpxpod> cmf: because mol won't work with it mounted
[08:52] <cmf> remove defaults
[08:52] <cmf> that may work
[08:52] <mxpxpod> cmf: cool, I think that did it
[08:52] <lunitik> mxpxpod: *shrug*    alias osx='mount -t hfsplus -o defaults,users,noauto,rw /dev/hda7 /mnt/macosx'
[08:52] <cmf> :)
[08:52] <lunitik> Then you just type 'osx' to mount it...
[08:53] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[08:53] <lunitik> (privided you throw that in ~/.bashrc ... it will work always...)
[08:53] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: you can specify it in hal if you want
[08:54] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: how do I do that?
[08:54] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: see the example in /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi
[08:54] <cavediver> Anyone have  problems with nautilus crasching when right-klicking an .ogg file ?
[08:54] <synd> airox: almost.. got a bit sidetracked
[08:54] <cavediver> Using hoary.
[08:54] <cmf> mxpxpod: did removing defaults work?
[08:54] <mxpxpod> cmf: no, it didn't
[08:54] <cmf> ahh
[08:55] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: are you talking about the first example in that file?
[08:55] <airox> synd: I have to go now. Good luck getting it working!
[08:55] <Kirsch> hey guys, how do u change the theme for GTK 1.X apps?
[08:55] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: yeah
[08:55] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: you can ofcourse match other keys then the ones shown there
[08:55] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: right
[08:56] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: so, just match block.device?
[08:57] <sjoerd> yeah
[08:57] <mxpxpod> awesome
[08:57] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: and keep it in preferences.fdi? or make my own .fdi?
[08:57] <synd> airox: thank!
[08:57] <synd> airox: thanks!
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > hey does anyone know how i can transfer files from my windows comptuer to my ubuntu comptuer
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > if i dont have the internet
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > on the ubuntu one
[08:58] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: i would make your own.. then the preferences will be automagically be updated to include new examples if we add them
[08:58] <mxpxpod> cool
[08:58] <HoMiE-[G] > anyone ?
[08:58] <Xappe> HoMiE-[G] : ftp or samba
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > whats samaba ?
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > samba*
[08:59] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: how do I match strings?
[08:59] <lunitik> HoMiE-[G] : smb support... what microsoft uses by defaut...
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > ill try it
[09:00] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: <match key="info.category" string="volume"> for example
[09:01] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: ok, I think I got it
[09:01] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ you can find some more examples
[09:02] <lunitik> sjoerd: I don't get it... what key would that be? it just mounts when you hit a keyboard key?
[09:02] <sjoerd> lunitik: no, hal has key,value pairs.. on which you can match.. and set various policy items
[09:03] <lunitik> sjoerd: ahh... so how would you trigger that?
[09:03] <sjoerd> lunitik: and those items will have a meaning for the gvm/pmount combination to autmagicall mount stuff or do certain options (sync, etc)
[09:03] <lunitik> sjoerd: being that its a static drive... I don't see how hal would interact with it?
[09:03] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[09:03] <sjoerd> lunitik: hal detects it at startup and puts info for it in it's db
[09:04] <lunitik> sjoerd: only thing I can think of is that it would mount automagically if you go to /mnt/macosx (in this case) ... ?
[09:04] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: thanks a ton
[09:04] <lunitik> sjoerd: I'm prolly overlooking something... but I don't see how its useful really enless this is the case  :(
[09:04] <sjoerd> lunitik: it's automagically mounted when gnome-volume-manager starts
[09:05] <sjoerd> lunitik: or not if you specify that you don't want it and then you can use nautilus to mount it
[09:05] <lunitik> sjoerd: I thought his whole point was that he _didn't_ want it to auto-mount?
[09:05] <mx|gone> lunitik: I don't want it to automount on boot
[09:05] <mx|gone> or when gvm starts up
[09:05] <mx|gone> if I go into it in naut, that's ok
[09:05] <mx|gone> gotta get back to work
[09:05] <lunitik> sjoerd: gah... yeah... I don't really get how that is useful in his situation?
[09:05] <mx|gone> thanks again sjoerd
[09:05] <sjoerd> mx|gone: np
[09:06] <sjoerd> lunitik: uhm, now his static drive is flagged to not be automounted in hal
[09:06] <sjoerd> lunitik: so when gvm starts it sees that and doesn't mount it
[09:07] <lunitik> sjoerd: but it would mount automagically when he goes into /mnt/macosx? or it shows up in the computer area?
[09:07] <sjoerd> lunitik: it will show up in the computer area still
[09:07] <illmonkey> hello
[09:07] <illmonkey> quelqu'un parle francais?
[09:08] <lunitik> sjoerd: ahh... you should have just said yes when I asked about /mnt/macosx  :P
[09:08] <lunitik> illmonkey: non
[09:08] <illmonkey> t'arrives  rpondre mais tu parles pas francais lol
[09:08] <illmonkey> ;)
[09:09] <pagefault_> hehe
[09:10] <lunitik> je ne clue wtf that parles  :o
[09:10] <pagefault_> parles is talk or smth
[09:10] <illmonkey> I have a problem with gDesklets
[09:10] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[09:11] <lunitik> illmonkey: what is the issue?
[09:11] <illmonkey> I use Hoary 5.04 preview
[09:12] <illmonkey> I can use Weather desklets
[09:12] <illmonkey> I use it from desklets-data
[09:12] <illmonkey> But i can't use Starter Bar
[09:12] <illmonkey> like the dock
[09:13] <garrut> same here illmonkey, happened after the last update
[09:13] <garrut> worked fine before that
[09:13] <illmonkey> what can I do?
[09:14] <garrut> dunno...
[09:14] <garrut> wait for the next update, or compile the latest gdesklets yourself
[09:14] <garrut> or maybe just the starterbar
[09:14] <dockane> i added cpu frequency monitor to my gnome panel. i do not get the frequency list and yelp says :"If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator." the problem is, me is the admin ;)
[09:15] <garrut> well, what did you say?
[09:15] <garrut> :)
[09:15] <dockane> no idea was my response ;)
[09:16] <illmonkey> Is it good to compile mysekf?
[09:16] <illmonkey> myself?
[09:17] <Xappe> go compile yourself :)
[09:17] <dockane> garrut, maybe you've got any hint for m
[09:17] <dockane> *me
[09:17] <dockane> ?
[09:17] <illmonkey> Can we do that?
[09:18] <garrut> dockane: sorry..
[09:18] <illmonkey> I read it's better to install appz throught Synaptic
[09:18] <Flonne> It is, whenever possible.
[09:18] <garrut> can other programs show your cpu frequency?
[09:19] <Flonne> apt/Synaptic/Kynaptic provides facilities for uninstallation and updating.
[09:19] <Flonne> Self compilation requires manual management, and that can get ugly over time.
[09:19] <terry97> gkrellm
[09:19] <dockane> garrut, it shows the frequency but does not give me the list to change it, as described in yelp
[09:20] <cowbud> illmonkey: what kinda desklets do you use?
[09:20] <dockane> garrut, since the problem is very well known i wonder why the solution is "ask you admin".
[09:20] <Flonne> garrut, what are you trying to do?
[09:20] <Flonne> With your CPU, I mean.
[09:21] <opi> ekhm
[09:21] <opi> Members of Polish LoCo are welcome to #ubuntu.pl
[09:21] <opi> we have session in progress
[09:21] <TD> hi
[09:22] <TD> is there any way to programmatically determine that the root account is disabled (because we're on ubuntu)?
[09:22] <dockane> Flonne, its not garrut, its me who tries to set use the list of the cpu frequency monitor
[09:22] <garrut> dockane: probably just a standard message, wouldn't lnow how to fix your problem though..
[09:22] <TD> and/or that sudo is in use
[09:22] <opi> TD: grep /etc/passwd
[09:23] <dockane> Flonne, the help says "If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator." and here i am *?*
[09:23] <Flonne> What do you need to see/set it for, dockane? There are a few tools that exist for a few different purposes.
[09:23] <LinuxJones> TD, you could write a script to parse /etc/shadow
[09:23] <spacey> how are bugs handled for packages in universe? should i use bugzilla or contact MOTU in another way?
[09:23] <TD> opi: looking for what, exactly?
[09:24] <TD> LinuxJones: you can't do that as user
[09:24] <Flonne> Grep /etc/shadow for root, matching it against a regexp checking for a blank hash.
[09:24] <dockane> Flonne : i am running hoary on thinkpad with a mobile p3 and would like to use/control speedstep
[09:24] <LinuxJones> TD, if it's the account that you setup Ubuntu on you can
[09:24] <WeirdAl> Should networking be easy?
[09:24] <TD> LinuxJones: hmmm, really?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> I can't get my Ubuntu systems to see each other.
[09:25] <Flonne> Dockane, there are some daemons that will handle that for you.
[09:25] <TD> LinuxJones: what about for other users?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> But I don't really know what to do.
[09:25] <Flonne> I'll look them up.
[09:25] <sig> WeirdAl: go to the "Networking" section on ubuntuguide.org
[09:25] <sig> that will fix your problems
[09:25] <WeirdAl> there is one?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> Damn, I must be blind or something
[09:25] <LinuxJones> TD, you can take Flonne 's suggestion
[09:26] <TD> ok, thanks
[09:26] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:26] <dockane> Flonne, do i expect the wrong things to do from "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Applet" ?
[09:26] <TD> i didn't realise you could do that. what if you aren't the user who set up ubuntu
[09:26] <TD> does that mean you don't have sudo access?
[09:27] <LinuxJones> TD, yes only the user who installed the system get's full range of sudo, but of course you could add sudo priviliges for certain things :)
[09:27] <TD> i see
[09:27] <dockane> Flonne, as i went to through the packet describtion it looked to me like to do exactly what i expect : show and set the cpu frequency
[09:27] <TD> LinuxKnight: does that automagically change if you set a root password?
[09:28] <Flonne> dockane, I'm pretty sure cpufreqd is what you want.
[09:28] <TD> i have an ubuntu user here who cannot cat /etc/shadow as user
[09:28] <WeirdAl> OK ... how do I make a folder shared?
 -rw-r-----  1 root shadow 881 2005-02-11 20:13 /etc/shadow
[09:28] <Flonne> It should be in the main repository; Universe if not.
[09:28] <LinuxJones> TD, root access is needed even to read /etc/shadow
[09:28] <garrut> WeirdAl: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:28] <garrut> or right-click on it :)
[09:29] <Flonne> LinuxJones, we should tell people to o+rwx it.
[09:29] <Flonne> -x
[09:29] <TD> LinuxJones: you just said it wasn't ? i need to be able to figure this out without needing any authentication
[09:29] <TD> root *or* user
[09:29] <Seveas> Flonne, please dont
[09:29] <TD> because i need to know whether to ask the user for the root password or their own
[09:29] <Flonne> Then it's impossible, TD. It's a security risk to allow non-root access.
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Flonne, :D
[09:30] <TD> non-root access to what? all i want to know is whether the current system/distro has an enabled root account or not
[09:30] <TD> finding that out doesn't seem to be a security risk
[09:30] <LinuxJones> TD, no I said you need root access to read /etc/shadow regular users can read /etc/passwd
[09:30] <dockane> Flonne, hmpf. do you know "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Applet" ? it came with the haory install and it's really nice apart of this sentence in the help : "If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator."
[09:31] <TD> LinuxJones: ok
[09:31] <TD> so is there any way to tell if the root account has a password by reading /etc/passwd?
[09:31] <Flonne> dockane, can you link me to this help page? I'll take a look at it when I have time. (In the meantime, cpufreqd is able to sit in the background and control your processor automatically)
[09:31] <LinuxJones> TD, yes, read up on Flonne's previous suggestion using grep on /etc/passwd
[09:32] <laramies> Hi, Im having an error with the Grub,  when starts it said "Hard Disk Error", but this is known problem, my doubt is that if a leave a bootable Windows CD in the cdromplayer, and I dont press any key then It load the Grub OK, Any ideas?
[09:32] <pagefault_> I have a removable cdrom drive in my laptop, in windows I had to use a thing to safely remove it, do I need to do something similar in linux?
[09:32] <TD> LinuxJones: flonne hasn't told me how to determine this by reading only /etc/passwd
[09:32] <WeirdAl> garrut: according to this, home directories are readable.
[09:32] <TD> he/she said to grep /etc/shadow
[09:32] <dockane> Flonne
[09:33] <WeirdAl> should it be smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/home/user to get in?
[09:33] <Flonne> It's similar; I'll connect to an Ubuntu box and give you a pattern.
[09:33] <Skaaa> Has someone here sucessfully set up a Team Speak server on Ubuntu? I need help doing so.
[09:34] <Skaaa> ...
[09:34] <Flonne> Er... I see no difference between my /etc/passwd files, LinuxJones.
[09:34] <dockane> Flonne, its "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor : file://///usr/share/gnome/help/cpufreq-applet/C/cpufreq-applet.xml#index "
[09:35] <Skaaa> I see, no one is going to even attempt to help me.
[09:35] <dockane> Flonne, can you work with this link ?
[09:35] <Flonne> docane, yes. I'm looking to see if it depends on anything.
[09:36] <laramies> someone have any clue about my problem?
[09:36] <TD> Skaaa: probably, nobody has done it
[09:36] <punjab12> is RC1 out yet?
[09:36] <crimsun> no, tomorrow.
[09:36] <TD> laramies: change your BIOS so the hard disk with windows on is first in the boot order
[09:36] <pepsi> is there a way to make a program not have a title bar on its window?
[09:37] <Amaranth> if you're writing it, yes
[09:37] <laramies> it is just 1 hard disk :(
[09:37] <punjab12> crimsun:  Tomorrow? awesome
[09:37] <pepsi> blah
[09:37] <punjab12> crimsun thanks man!
[09:37] <Flonne> dockane, cpufreq-applet suggests cpufreqd, cpudyn, or powernowd.
[09:37] <WeirdAl> Is there something I need to do before smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/home will work?
[09:37] <Flonne> It's possible you might need to have one of them installed to use it.
[09:38] <WeirdAl> I'm in smb.conf on the server, so that exists... it says that home permissions are set to 0700, which IIRC is read-only
[09:39] <lunitik> WeirdAl: slap the folks who implemented gnome-vfs smb support for making it suck so bad!
[09:39] <WeirdAl> OK done.
[09:39] <Amaranth> nope, 0700 is full access for the user the files and dirs belong to and no access for anyone else
[09:39] <WeirdAl> OK
[09:39] <WeirdAl> Well it also says "By default, the home directories are exported read-only"
[09:39] <Fajer> witma :)
[09:39] <WeirdAl> And I'm defaulted...
[09:39] <lunitik> WeirdAl: heh... I have never seen Nautilus (or anything else that uses gnome-vfs) actually work with smb  :/
[09:40] <WeirdAl> Oh
[09:40] <cavediver> Anyone experience nautilus crasches when right-clicking .ogg files in Hoary ?
[09:40] <WeirdAl> 'k ... what's the alternative?
[09:40] <WeirdAl> ssh? :-p
[09:41] <lunitik> WeirdAl: heh... works via smbclient ...
[09:41] <laramies> I use nautilus with smb://  against windows all day in the work :)
[09:41] <WeirdAl> this is Ubuntu <-> Ubuntu
[09:42] <laramies> TD, another idea? why it is happening with my grub?
[09:42] <WeirdAl> I'm reading the smbclient manpage now.
[09:42] <WeirdAl> :-)
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Although it's not making too much sense.
[09:43] <ExoBuZz> hello. i need to tell the kubuntu install cd to not install vim during the base install. how do i do this
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> ?
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> reason being is that : http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
 hello.. i have a big problem with installing kubuntu. im getting an error on vim-common during installation of the base system. (syslog says the deb is corrupt). i have burnt the image (downloaded from cdimage.ubuntu.com) twiece, and md5sum'd it and it matches the md5sums on the cdimage site...
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> (ignore the url bad cut and paste)
[09:45] <yfir> hi - is there a simple way to get a program (like Gaim etc) to start at system start up/login?
[09:46] <Xappe> yfir: System --> Preferences --> Sessions
[09:46] <Flonne> You can add it to your sessions list, yfir. (Gnome Menu > Applications > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > Sessions [third tab] )
[09:46] <yfir> can i do that without root access? i don' t have
[09:46] <Flonne> Er... Right. Forgot I changed my layout.
[09:46] <yfir> anyway, thanks, i'll try it
[09:46] <Flonne> Just use your own password if/when prompted.
[09:46] <dockane> Flonne,  ?
[09:48] <yfir> thank you Flonne & Xappe
[09:50] <Xappe> hey! I just realized we got the nice cursor back :)
[09:53] <jw_ma_ke> hi
[09:53] <Flonne> Hi.
[09:54] <jw_ma_ke> would anyone here be able to help me with an shscript at all?
[09:54] <robodex> is it safe to install kubuntu-desktop with a normal ubuntu install?
[09:54] <Flonne> Perhaps, jw_ma_ke. What do you need it to do?
[09:54] <jw_ma_ke> the script is run on startup and checks to see whether another machine on the LAN is turned on (i.e.returns a ping), if it isnt and no one has logged into the ubuntu machine, the computer shuts down
[09:54] <DemisM> robodex yes
[09:54] <brrrrrrrt> hello, i have problems with my matrox g400 and 3D with hoary :(...
[09:54] <LinuxJones> robodex, sure
[09:55] <jw_ma_ke> i actually already have a script for it and have set it up a cronjob but have a couple of problems with it
[09:55] <robodex> k just making sure ;)
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> matrox drivers are only for 6.8.2
[09:55] <robodex> kde'll just be a session in gdm then, right?
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> no
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> 6.8.1
[09:55] <LeeColleton> mako_: Hello.  Is there a planned presence for LFNW?  I heard you got a request for some Hoary CDs to be handed out there.
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> and hoary has 6.8.2
[09:56] <Flonne> jw_ma_ke, I'm not sure a cron is what you'd want. You could run such a thing as an init script, thus granting it immediate access to "init 0" if need be. Of course, you should keep a Live CD of some sort available to remove it if it goes wrong.
[09:56] <robodex> (as in, will it make any major changes aside from installing kde?)
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> why would a cron not work? it simply runs the script when the computer is booted
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> Flonne, do you mind if i open a private chat with you?
[09:57] <Flonne> Not at all.
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> thanks
[09:58] <pagefault_> how do you tell apt-get to forcefully overwrite a file
[09:58] <mike_> quick question, is there an easy way to submit artwork?
[09:59] <synd> hmmm
[09:59] <sucho> mike_: forum.xfce.org -> themes&screenshots
[10:00] <sucho> mike_: the only way a know about...
[10:00] <pagefault_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[10:00] <pagefault_> any way to force this?
[10:00] <sj`> has anyone gotten xine/mplayer/totem to successfully play dvds with the latest version of hoary?
[10:00] <brrrrrrrt> does anyone know a good place for any howto regarding matrox graphic cards and xorg?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> sj`: yes if you use totem-xine
[10:01] <sucho> mike_: uuuups, sorry, i thought i'm at #xfce ;)
[10:01] <granted> sj: nor i
[10:01] <mike_> I was wondering about that
[10:01] <mike_> It's just a simple background,
[10:02] <sucho> mike_: maybe you can put it at gnomelook.org
[10:02] <sj`> Burgundavia: it get dependency issues when i do apt-get install totem-xine
[10:02] <mike_> any way to add it to the Wiki-CommunityArtwork
[10:02] <synd> has anyone ever installed every single package availiable from synaptic and the ubuntu repositories? just curious
[10:03] <sucho> mike_: dunno, sorry
[10:03] <sj`> yet totem, xine and mplayer are all installed
[10:03] <ions> anyone know where I'd report a bug in the Gnome Weather Report applet?
[10:04] <Dr_Aevil> synd: some of them are mutually exclusive so I don't think so
[10:04] <Burgundavia> sj`: what sort of dep issues?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> sj`: do you have universe enabled?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> sj`: and mulitverse and the marallairt repos
[10:05] <synd> Dr_Aevil: whatcha mean by mutally exclusive?
[10:05] <sj`> Burgundavia: just fixed it, had to say apt-get "install totem-xine" along with each lib had dependency isues
[10:05] <cowbud> sj`: for some reason totem stopped but mplayer plays it..what did you install for totem to play dvds what lib?
[10:06] <Dr_Aevil> synd: e.g. to install one, another must be uninstalled - they won't live together
[10:06] <Burgundavia> sj`: that is truly odd
[10:07] <synd> Dr_Aevil: ah, i see.
[10:07] <sj`> there was 3 of them
[10:07] <sj`> i did apt-get install totem-xine libgnome-desktop-2 libgnomevfs2-0
[10:07] <cowbud> yah hrmm I have all those installed so blah I will just use mplayer for the time being
[10:10] <andrew__> hey, how do i use bittorrent? i get an error every time i try to use it
[10:10] <Burgundavia> andrew__: what sort of error?
[10:11] <Levander> Is there an easy way to take a screenshot of just one window under gnome?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: yes, using the gimp
[10:11] <sj`> Levander: gimpe will let you do it
[10:11] <sj`> *gimp
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: file --> aquire-->screenshot
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: choose single window
[10:11] <Levander> cool, i'm about to try it, thanks
[10:11] <andrew__> says it could not load wxpython
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: are you warty or hoary?
[10:12] <andrew__> warty
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: hmm
[10:12] <andrew__> hmmm?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: do you have wxpython installed?
[10:13] <andrew__> i just searched synaptic and it doesn't show up
[10:13] <Burgundavia> andrew__: oh
[10:13] <Burgundavia> andrew__: that is interesting
[10:13] <henke> any clue why gnome apps don't seem to honor the locale setting? It is set to sv_SE but most programs still show up in English.
[10:13] <andrew__> perhaps there is a source that i have yet to add?
[10:13] <EddieX> Is it recommended to do make-kpkg with a kernel from kernel.org ? Or will this act weird after i installed the new image?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> henke: if it is an application in main, file a bug about it
[10:13] <dockane> i would like to remove safely hardware from my running (!) laptop, like a slimline dvd i.e., what packet do i need to disable it before i remove it ?
[10:13] <Bazzi> henke maybe theyre lacking translation?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> andrew__: do you have universe enabled?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> dockane: nothing
[10:14] <andrew__> pretty sure i do
[10:14] <Burgundavia> dockane: that is what hotplug is for
[10:14] <looksaus> dockane, it's not safe to
[10:14] <looksaus> do so, generally spoken
[10:14] <looksaus> except for pcmcia stuff
[10:15] <Burgundavia> dockane: can you do that under windows?
[10:15] <looksaus> usb
[10:15] <dockane> looksaus, window$ tells that "its safe", but it isn't ????
[10:15] <looksaus> and ethernet things
[10:15] <illmonkey> hello everybody
[10:16] <Burgundavia> dockane: generally there is no software reason for just removing it, just the hardware ones me and looksaus have mentioned
[10:16] <henke> Bazzi, no, they have been translated before. I have upgraded to Hoary now.
[10:16] <illmonkey> I have problems with gDesklets
[10:16] <dockane> btw, i've got a thinkpad with an ultra-bay (dvd,2nd battery, 3.5 disc drive)
[10:16] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: what is your issue
[10:16] <illmonkey> could somebody help me
[10:16] <Burgundavia> dockane: can you hotplug your ultrabay?
[10:16] <synd> uhhhh
[10:16] <andrew__> Burgundavia, i have multiverse but i don't thinki  got universe
[10:16] <illmonkey> Some deslets work and mostly none
[10:16] <dockane> Burgundavia, i do not know what hotplug is
[10:16] <Burgundavia> andrew__: ok, you need universe as well. Multiverse is for legally questionable stuff
[10:16] <illmonkey> I'm behind Hoary 5.04
[10:17] <Burgundavia> dockane: hotplug is a program for finding and setting up hardware that can be hotpluged, that is removed while the system is running, such as PCMCIA and usb
[10:18] <looksaus> dockane, read this thread alreadt: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[10:18] <looksaus> damn
[10:18] <illmonkey> Burgandavia : what can i do??
[10:18] <looksaus> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2005-March/024948.html
[10:18] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: gdesklets is mostly a broken piece of crap, from what I understand. I am sorry, but I cannot help you more
[10:18] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: I would suggest googling the gdesklet name
[10:18] <crimsun> eh? what's broken with gdesklets?
[10:19] <illmonkey> how do you select my name illmonkey : ???
[10:19] <illmonkey> starter bar is broken
[10:19] <Burgundavia> crimsun: changing specs and other stuff
[10:20] <illmonkey> it work but odd..
[10:20] <crimsun> Burgundavia: hmm, the version in universe is outdated anyhow...
[10:20] <dockane> looksaus, are you sure this url stands in context with my question ?
[10:20] <sj`> yes, gdesklets is broken badly
[10:20] <sj`> i've never had any luck with it.
[10:20] <henke> Bazzi, ok, I was just missing the language-pack-sv package.
[10:20] <sj`> hi crimsun (:
[10:21] <illmonkey> Crimsun, do you use gDesklets???
[10:22] <zenrox> hmm cant get my ht cpu worken
[10:23] <crimsun> illmonkey: no.
[10:23] <andrew__> Burgundavia, i have universe, did a reload and i still cann't find it
[10:24] <illmonkey> Is it hard to compile a src?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> andrew__: that is odd
[10:25] <andrew__> sould i be looking for wx python of something else
[10:25] <andrew__> or
[10:25] <andrew__> not of
[10:25] <synd> hey guys, i just apt-get install libdvdcss2 like the ubuntu guide told me to do to get DVD playback.. it installed fine.. but i can find where libdvdcss2 is?
[10:26] <synd> or is that not even an app at all?
[10:26] <Flonne> It will be automatically used by any programs that need it, such as Xine, synd.
[10:26] <Flonne> It's just a library.
[10:26] <synd> so, use totem movie player?
[10:26] <odie5533> VLC is better!
[10:26] <Flonne> That sounds about right.
[10:26] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:27] <odie5533> best video player
[10:27] <crimsun> darned tootin, go vlc
[10:27] <crimsun> :D
[10:27] <odie5533> plays everything
[10:27] <eruin> totam-xine
[10:27] <odie5533> and plays it good
[10:27] <eruin> plays anything
[10:27] <eruin> ;)
[10:27] <synd> odie5533: totally forgot about VLC! i love it on my Mac.. it's awesome
[10:27] <crimsun> I need to change the description for .desktop
[10:27] <odie5533> I use vlc on linux and windows
[10:28] <Xappe> is the vlc plugin for firefox any good?
[10:28] <synd> i keep forgetting that most the open source apps that ive learn to use and love on OSX can be used on linux
[10:28] <odie5533> xappe: lemme go test right now
[10:28] <odie5533> Xappe: isnt working for me ah well
[10:28] <Xappe> hmm
[10:29] <andrew__> am downloading bittornado now
[10:29] <Flonne> Do we want to know why he was running root?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> andrew__: hoary has a bitorrent client enabled by default
[10:29] <andrew__> hey is there an instant messanger that support yahoo, aim, irc and others?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> andrew__: gaim
[10:30] <andrew__> Burgundavia, gaim will access yahoo messanger?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> andrew__: to the best of my knowledge, yes
[10:30] <Flonne> Yes, it will.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> I don't use IM, so I don't know
[10:30] <sj`> Burgundavia: after installing totem-xine what do i execute to run it?
[10:30] <Nap> andrew__: kopete is fine too, if you use kde
[10:30] <Burgundavia> sj`: it will replace totem on your menus
[10:31] <Flonne> sj`, "totem" should be sufficient.
[10:31] <sj`> ok thanks
[10:31] <synd> is there a kubuntu warty?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> synd: no
[10:31] <synd> bleh
[10:31] <andrew__> does kde take any less memory to use than gnome?
[10:32] <andrew__>  cause last i checkd gnome will use ALL available memory
[10:32] <Flonne> Not usually.
[10:32] <sj`> damn, it must have borked something, totem just returns to the bash with no error and nothing starts, hrm.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> andrew__: using all memory is not a bad thing
[10:32] <Flonne> andrew__, actually, that's due to the 2.6 kernel.
[10:32] <eruin> using all memory is a good thing
[10:32] <Burgundavia> andrew__: letting go of it is where you need to worry
[10:32] <synd> ok, i just got VLC installed.. how do I get it to show up in my Applications menu?
[10:32] <Flonne> It caches all the stuff it can, since RAM is so much faster than swap.
[10:32] <andrew__> i have had it that way even in the 2.4
[10:32] <crimsun> synd: it already does if you use Hoary.
[10:33] <synd> crimsun: Warty :p
[10:33] <crimsun> synd: start it from a terminal, or create a launcher
[10:33] <Flonne> crimsun, won't it appear following the next login?
[10:33] <cowbud> anyone remember the name of the program that is like expocity but it is standalone and actually uses Xorg technologies?
[10:33] <andrew__> maybe... i should be using fluxbox ;)
[10:33] <Levander> Anybody know how to resize an image to a specific pixel size in the gimp?
[10:34] <cowbud> ahh
[10:34] <cowbud> skippy
[10:34] <cowbud> godlike
[10:34] <Flonne> Levander, Image > Scale Image
[10:34] <crimsun> Flonne: dunno, not at my Warty machine
[10:34] <Levander> Ha! thanks Flonne, worked like a charm!
[10:34] <synd> crim: thanks!
[10:35] <synd> crimsun: thanks!
[10:36] <andrew__> i love the abillitys of fluxbox, but can someone help me, cause i just cann't figure out how to cusamize it
[10:37] <sj`> ok, i'm going with vlc as that is working
[10:37] <sj`> thanks alot guys
[10:37] <synd> wheres the vlc icon?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> synd: probably /usr/share/pixmaps
[10:38] <sj`> synd: i just went into my dvd dir (/media/cdrom0/) and launched "vlc VIDEO_TS"
[10:38] <sj`> and up it popped. i didn't use an icon or anything, sorry.
[10:38] <synd> ahh i love it! VLC has the aqua interface!
[10:39] <synd> sj`: yes i know how to get it running.. id just like an icon for it for my panel/dock
[10:40] <topyli> hmm... vlc has always been an underdog (don't know why, must be the interface), but now everybody seems to be using it :)
[10:40] <synd> erm, i can get VLC to run my dvd?
[10:40] <Flonne> I'm still a fan of FB MPlayer.
[10:40] <andrew__> anyone here use fluxbox?
[10:41] <topyli> perhaps people think "oh, i don't need all those network features that vlc offers" and think its overkill
[10:42] <Flonne> That's why I've been avoiding it...
[10:42] <kbrooks> whast is multiverse.
[10:42] <synd> ugh i can get VLC to run my dvd
[10:42] <synd> any ideas?
[10:42] <Flonne> A repository of not-so-free applications, kbrooks.
[10:42] <Flonne> If you can avoid using it, you should avoid using it.
[10:43] <topyli> Flonne: i tried vlc once and it was just as good for local use though
[10:43] <Xappe> synd, it should be ctrl+D
[10:43] <synd> Xappe: ctrl+d ?
[10:43] <Flonne> I'm sure it is, topyli, but I made my decision years ago, and I'm quite stubborn.
[10:43] <Xappe> synd, open disc
[10:43] <topyli> Flonne: well, you can't go wrong with mplayer
[10:44] <synd> hmm now it started
[10:44] <kbrooks> vlc?
[10:44] <topyli> Flonne: although, a few years ago, there was not much of a choice was there :)
[10:44] <kbrooks> what is vlc..
[10:44] <Flonne> Video LAN Client.
[10:45] <Flonne> It's supposedly an awesome video player with lots of network features.
[10:45] <jgoebel> what is a minimal ubuntu install?
[10:45] <kbrooks> heh
[10:45] <Jesterace> jgoebel: it's ubuntu without a desktop environment
[10:45] <topyli> jgoebel: not much :)
[10:45] <eric> hey I just installed a nfs server on ubuntu and it don't work; client report : RPC : system error on target host - Connexion refused
[10:45] <jgoebel> Jesterace: i mean how many mb :)
[10:45] <Jesterace> no idea :P
[10:45] <Jesterace> hehe
[10:46] <Jesterace> i did it once
[10:46] <eric> on the ubuntu server, the portmapper is running so it's not a portmap issue, could anyone  help ?
[10:46] <Flonne> The service might require manual configuration for security purposes, eric.
[10:46] <topyli> jgoebel: it's about the same as debian base install, a couple of dozen megs i guess
[10:46] <jgoebel> i'm trying to figure out if a 512mb or 1gig CF card would work for a diskless box :)
[10:46] <kbrooks> WHAT IS VLC
[10:46] <Flonne> kbrooks, "It's supposedly an awesome video player with lots of network features."
[10:46] <eric> VLC IS A MEDIA PLAYER
[10:46] <jgoebel> topyli: hmmm, i recall it being more like 300mb?  does that sound right?
[10:46] <topyli> kbrooks: type that into google :)
[10:47] <topyli> jgoebel: might be close
[10:47] <kbrooks> eric, cut the caps
[10:47] <topyli> heh
[10:47] <dealmo720> apt-get install vlc
[10:47] <topyli> look whos talking
[10:47] <jgoebel> topyli: i keep reading about perfectly silents PCs and i want one
[10:47] <eric> Flonne I've installed nfs servers on debian and multiple other OS for multple years and never needed manual config
[10:48] <eric> kbrooks this is the kind of question where you could have googled and where you just repeated multple time and I was getting tired
[10:48] <Flonne> Odd... I had to configure it quite a bit on Gentoo, Arch, and Solaris.
[10:48] <topyli> jgoebel: you'll get a silent system with a base install that does nothing =)
[10:48] <kbrooks> Can I view DVDs with VLC?
[10:48] <jgoebel> topyli: well, i know i have to add to the base install :)
[10:49] <topyli> heh
[10:49] <eric> kbrooks why don't you go to vlc's website ???
[10:49] <goldfish> kbrooks: you can, yes
[10:49] <topyli> kbrooks: or type those into google. fwiw, i seem to recall you can
[10:49] <kbrooks> k
[10:50] <eric> Flone it should works by default, solaris 8 worked by default and debian worked by default
[10:50] <Xappe> topyli: well, lynx for the web and irssi for irc :)
[10:50] <topyli> Xappe: sure. mutt and abook. when for scheduling, note for database and so on :)
[10:52] <kbrooks> LOL. VLC for debian testing:  You should not be using Debian testing unless you perfectly know what you are doing. It is almost impossible to support Debian testing and there are no plans to do it.
[10:53] <mamasita> question i have just put hoary on 2nd partition, now i'm going to have to install xp on the first
[10:53] <Flonne> mamasita, XP is hardly a necessity, but go on.
[10:54] <Marble2> Okay, I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546 to fix a problem I have and I get errors when I run the command " mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd"
[10:54] <mamasita> will grub be in mbr by default
[10:54] <Marble2> I get the errors ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[10:54] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:54] <mamasita> or on second partition root
[10:54] <Flonne> Not after a Windows installation.
[10:54] <Marble2> Does anyone know how to fix these?
[10:54] <Flonne> Windows will overwrite MBR, preventing you from booting into Linux until you deal with it.
[10:54] <mamasita> ok but i want dual boot
[10:54] <mamasita> ah
[10:54] <mamasita>  ok
[10:55] <Burgundavia> mamasita: create a grub boot disk before you do this, and get the instructions ready beforehand
[10:55] <ExoBuZz> i always have bootmgr handy on a disk.. great japanese mbr menu
[10:55] <Flonne> It's possible, mamasita, and there's an article with a situation like yours on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Hi guys. I've got a bust DVD which caused xine to crash and now my drive's stuck between mounted and unmounted.
[10:55] <ExoBuZz> s/disk/floppy
[10:55] <Burgundavia> mamasita: having done it several times, it really really sucks if you are prepared
[10:55] <WeirdAl> I can't eject it through software or hardware.
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Am I gunna have to log out? Don't really want to.
[10:55] <mamasita> dont have a floppy drive
[10:56] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: ahh, use a paper clip and and open the drive that way
[10:56] <WeirdAl> heh, OK.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: should be a little hole in the front
[10:56] <mamasita> i found a way to do this with xp installed first
[10:56] <WeirdAl> I have one for just that occasion, but I didn't want to bust anything
[10:56] <mamasita> ill just try it and see
[10:56] <Flonne> Actually, Burgundavia, you could just use a LiveCD, chroot into your old environment, re-install GRUB, hack out a quick menu.lst, and reboot... but that's something I should save for an article.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> mamasita: always install windows first
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Flonne: true
[10:57] <Flonne> In fact, I'll write that now.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: posthoary I am going to be working on such faqs with the docteam
[10:57] <Marble2> Anyone?
[10:57] <Flonne> Wanna check this when I'm done, then?
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: put it on the wiki
[10:57] <mamasita> i know i was planning on that but it kept running and i figured i'd deal with it late
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: sure
[10:57] <mamasita> r
[10:58] <mamasita> or does anybody have a windows driver for ndiswrapper for wpc54g
[10:59] <topyli> Marble2: not an expert but mount expects a -t option for the filesystem, not -o. i guess
[10:59] <Flonne> The nDiswrapper site has links to cardlistings and drivers, mamasita.
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Burgundavia: Do you know how I can recover drive operation?
[10:59] <Flonne> It's pretty straightforward.
[10:59] <mamasita> thanks
[10:59] <WeirdAl> I got the disk out but the drive's still comatose
[11:00] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: hmm
[11:01] <kbrooks> what would be a good canadian ntp server
[11:01] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: without logging out, I have no good answer
[11:01] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: you can try restarting hotplug
[11:01] <WeirdAl> I might re-mount it
[11:02] <asdfasdfasdf> what's more recent: the hoary preview or array cd 7?
[11:02] <topyli> WeirdAl: i hate to admit but i've rebooted in such situations. it was always redhat 9 though :)
[11:02] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: that might also work
[11:03] <[nrx_] > what was the name of that kde game where you had to push blocks, etc to get at jewels?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : you can try asking at #kubuntu
[11:04] <WeirdAl> ok cheers burg. Looks like I'ma have to log out if not reset.
[11:04] <Marble2> Okay, I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546 to fix a problem I have and I get errors when I run the command " mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd"
[11:04] <Marble2> I get the errors ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[11:04] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:04] <Marble2> Any ideas on what's wrong?
[11:04] <BubbaMarie> hello all
[11:04] <goldfish> hi
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> i just installed a dwl-g510 dlink wireless card
[11:05] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: and?
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> anyone know if there is a way to detect it?
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> a driver
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> i googled
[11:05] <topyli> Marble2: like i said, mount probably wants you to specify the filesystem type with a -t option, not -o
[11:05] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[11:05] <s0undt3ch> got a question
[11:06] <kbrooks> ask
[11:06] <BubbaMarie> but couldn't find anything
[11:06] <topyli> Marble2: but not sure
[11:06] <s0undt3ch> is ubunto suitable for a web/mail server?
[11:06] <Ratmann> Hello all
[11:06] <topyli> s0undt3ch: sure
[11:06] <kbrooks> topyli, yeah. -t for fs type
[11:06] <s0undt3ch> a corporate presence on the net, plus router, firewall...
[11:06] <Ratmann> How's everyone doing?
[11:06] <Marble2> ok
[11:06] <topyli> s0undt3ch: just like debian
[11:06] <Ratmann> Can anyone care to give me a little help?
[11:06] <Ratmann> lol
[11:06] <Marble2> what is the -o loop for then?
[11:07] <topyli> Marble2: a typo, i guess
[11:07] <Ratmann> I'm next to linux, and went with Ubuntu, thanks to a friend
[11:07] <bitar> hey all
[11:07] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: hmm
[11:07] <s0undt3ch> it's suposelly easier than deb right?
[11:07] <topyli> Ratmann: congratulations on your excellent os choice :)
[11:07] <Ratmann> Thanks :)
[11:07] <bitar> does the Ubuntu cd come with another web browser?
[11:07] <kbrooks> ask
[11:07] <s0undt3ch> also is it really secure?
[11:07] <topyli> s0undt3ch: for a server setup, it's pretty much the same
[11:07] <Ratmann> It rocks, only thing being hard right now isssss, installing stuff
[11:07] <Ratmann> lol
[11:07] <Bazzi> "welcome to the communism-inspired ubuntu linux community" ;)
[11:08] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: seems to be a ndis wrapper job
[11:08] <Ratmann> hehehe
[11:08] <bitar> other than firefox?
[11:08] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: install ndiswrapper and grab the windows driver cd
[11:08] <topyli> Ratmann: pour your problems on this channel, and people will help you
[11:08] <Marble2> topyli, without -o loop I get: root@Knoppix:/tmp # mount -t ext3 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd
[11:08] <Marble2> mount: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
[11:08] <LordC> Has anyone tried getting the gmailfs package working?
[11:08] <Ratmann> That's the only thing that bothers me about linux, i don't know about installing stuff in it
[11:08] <topyli> Marble2: ok, it's not a typo :)
[11:08] <randabis> why are you trying to mount an initial ram disk?
[11:08] <BubbaMarie> Burgundavia, thanks, i wanted to make sure...i've never done that before being new to linux/ubuntu, i'll give it a try
[11:09] <Bazzi> Ratmann get to know "apt"
[11:09] <topyli> Ratmann: well, that's one of the easy things
[11:09] <Flonne> Installing stuff is easier than it ever was under Windows, Ratmann.
[11:09] <Bazzi> or that synaptic thingy
[11:09] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:09] <topyli> Ratmann: you don't surf around the net searching for software and then figuring out how to install
[11:09] <Marble2> anyone else have any ideas?
[11:09] <randabis> why are you trying to mount an initial ram disk?
[11:09] <Ratmann> Yeah
[11:10] <topyli> Ratmann: you just say "apt-get install <random-program>"
[11:10] <Ratmann> Right now i wanna see if i can install Wings 3d, a free 3d modelling application
[11:10] <Ratmann> Got the Linux version
[11:10] <Ratmann> wings-0.98.29b-linux.run.gz , that's the name of the file
[11:10] <Flonne> Wings 3D is fun.
[11:10] <Ratmann> Yah it's nice
[11:10] <eric> I have a problem with the nfs server in ubuntu, on the ubuntu box, when mounting localhost:/something, everything works, but when I mount the imac.local (the ip of this box):/something, I get RPC error...  anyone can help ?
[11:11] <s0undt3ch> for a server should I download 4.1 or go with the latest preview?? Is this latest preview stable enough?
[11:11] <Flonne> It wings3d - A Nendo-inspired 3D polygon mesh modeller
[11:11] <topyli> Ratmann: so, do "apt-get install wings3d" :)
[11:11] <Ratmann> Though after that, i'm gonna try and get Softimage XSI , which is the main 3d animation aplication i use
[11:11] <Marble2> randabis, I'm getting bootup errors, and using this guide in an attempt to fix it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: wings3d is already in the repos
[11:11] <kbrooks> gdi
[11:11] <kbrooks> (god damn it)
[11:11] <kbrooks> Marble2, -o loop is special
[11:11] <kbrooks> Marble2, loop isnt even a fs
[11:11] <Flonne> It's in Hoary, Ratmann.
[11:11] <kbrooks> ext2, ext3, etc are
[11:11] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:11] <kbrooks> -t is used to specify them
[11:11] <Flonne> This makes things very easy.
[11:11] <randabis> Ratmann, sudo apt-get install wings3d will install it
[11:11] <randabis> you didn't even need to download the program
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: debian-based distros like Ubuntu use centralized software repositories for installing and updating
[11:11] <Flonne> Ratmann, just fire up Synaptic and run a find for "wings3d".
[11:11] <topyli> kbrooks: oh yeah, good point
[11:12] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: so generally everything you need is in those repos
[11:12] <Marble2> kbrooks, using -to ext loop doesn't work
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> it only has 1 cd???
[11:12] <BubbaMarie> Burgundavia, is that a software i need to compile?
[11:12] <Flonne> Marble2, specify them as separate flags.
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> deb has 7?
[11:12] <Marble2> just gives me mount usage
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> fewer packages right?
[11:12] <randabis> s0undt3ch, yes, you obtain most software over the internet
[11:12] <Flonne> Marble2, "-t ext -o loop"
[11:12] <Marble2> Flonne: Okay, that gives me
[11:12] <Marble2> root@Knoppix:/tmp # mount -t ext3 -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd
[11:12] <Marble2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop5,
[11:12] <Marble2>        missing codepage or other error
[11:12] <Marble2>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:12] <Marble2>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:12] <randabis> s0undt3ch, not really fewer packages
[11:12] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: nope, just apt-get install ndiswrapper
[11:13] <Ratmann> brb
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> and comppile it?
[11:13] <topyli> Marble2: depending on the file you're mounting, you will have to use "-t filesystem -o loop" i guess
[11:13] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: then you need to follow the directions on how to set it up
[11:13] <randabis> s0undt3ch, the packages are just online in ubuntu's repositories
[11:13] <randabis> s0undt3ch, no compiling needed
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> randabis: not really, how so?
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> ho
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> oh
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> k
[11:13] <kbrooks> topyli, what
[11:13] <Flonne> I don't think initrd images are ext3, Marble2.
[11:13] <topyli> kbrooks: about loop and filesystems
[11:13] <Marble2> ohhh
[11:13] <Marble2> what type is it?
[11:13] <kbrooks> Marble2, WHY ARE YOU MOUNTING A INITAL RAM DISK
[11:14] <topyli> kbrooks: what was it you're trying to mount?
[11:14] <Marble2> kbrooks, i told you, I get bootup errors and this guide claims to fix the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546
[11:14] <Marble2> so I'm following it
[11:14] <topyli> kbrooks: sorry, that's for Marble2
[11:14] <occy> BubbaMarie: what's your problem?
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> so, for a server which should
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> I download?
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> warty?
[11:14] <Marble2> topyli, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 is what I'm trying to mount
[11:14] <LeeJunFan> hah, yeah - warty.
[11:15] <eruin> hoary!
[11:15] <occy> BubbaMarie: CD's have been sent out to you. Ill and P$
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> come on..
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> wich!
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> which!
[11:15] <eruin> hoary!
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> ?
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> s0undt3ch: hoary
[11:15] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: I would use warty as it is stable. Hoary is going to be released April 8th, so if you can wait a week
[11:15] <Marble2> topyli, do you know what file system that would be?
[11:15] <eruin> which means hoary is pretty much stable already
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> s0undt3ch: warty is unstable. hoary is at least testing, stable soon.
[11:16] <paulswm> Marble2: mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt (or wherever you want to mount it
[11:16] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: in general I would avoid using unstable non-releases (like hoary) for servers
[11:16] <topyli> Marble2: awwww. that's pretty deep system-fu you're linking to
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> oops, scratch that.
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> hehe
[11:16] <Marble2> paulswm, that worked
[11:16] <Marble2> thanks
[11:16] <s0undt3ch> oh, so hoary... K, so I should download 4.10?
[11:16] <paulswm> Marble2: you are welcome
[11:17] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: 4.10 = warty 5.04 = hoary
[11:17] <kbrooks> what is this for
[11:17] <kbrooks> cmon
[11:17] <kbrooks> explain
[11:17] <kbrooks> Marble2, well, its LAGGY here
[11:17] <kbrooks> s0undt3ch, .... download hoary
[11:17] <s0undt3ch> your getting me confused here
[11:17] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: warty is stable
[11:17] <s0undt3ch> which came first?
[11:17] <Flonne> Warty.
[11:17] <goldfish> warty
[11:17] <randabis> you might as well get hoary since it will be released in a week anyway
[11:18] <topyli> s0undt3ch: hoary is almost there
[11:18] <Goshawk> | Hoary preview release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | Release Candidate: March 30th
[11:18] <Goshawk> it's got from #ubuntu-devel
[11:18] <randabis> Hoary goes gold April 6th
[11:18] <Burgundavia> 8th actually
[11:18] <Burgundavia> they just moved the date to accomdate gnome 2.10.1
[11:18] <topyli> it's golden already :)
[11:19] <Burgundavia> but it isn't for servers
[11:19] <randabis> oh?
[11:19] <topyli> Burgundavia: why not?
[11:19] <s0undt3ch> ...
[11:19] <randabis> hoary could be used just fine as a server
[11:19] <Burgundavia> topyli: 48 packages to update today?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> servers are very different beasts than desktop mahcines
[11:19] <topyli> Burgundavia: that will settle once hoary is stable
[11:19] <s0undt3ch> yaeh, I want a server
[11:20] <Burgundavia> topyli: but before then, I would use stable for any server I ran
[11:20] <Burgundavia> I don
[11:20] <randabis> maybe so, but the ubuntu repositories contain everything a typical server would need Burgundavia
[11:20] <Burgundavia> t want occasional breakage
[11:20] <randabis> you would just do a custom server install
[11:20] <Burgundavia> randabis: I am not arguing for not using ubuntu, I am saying use the stable release
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> si before it is, i should download?
[11:20] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: warty, as it is stable
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> si=so
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> k
[11:20] <topyli> Burgundavia: you think s0undt3ch is installing an unknown OS for a server and it will be in production in a couple of days? :)
[11:21] <randabis> s0undt3ch, what kind of server, and what will it be used for?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> topyli: then he can evaluate moving to hoarywhen he needs to
[11:21] <mulkku> is it possible to take screenshot with some command and automatically save it?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> mulkku: ?
[11:21] <kbrooks> reconnected
[11:21] <kbrooks> :P
[11:21] <s0undt3ch> Router, Firewall, MAil, Web....
[11:21] <topyli> Burgundavia: sure. s0undt3ch, it's not like debian/ubuntu is hard to upgrade
[11:21] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: is this your first linux server?
[11:21] <eric> anyone knows where is rcpinfo ??
[11:21] <s0undt3ch> internet sharing...
[11:22] <randabis> s0undt3ch, is it just a home server or will you have clients?
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku: are u using gnome?
[11:22] <s0undt3ch> nope
[11:22] <mulkku> goldfish: yah..
[11:22] <s0undt3ch> I had a mandrake, and now a fedora...
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku: there is one in the computer menu
[11:22] <[nrx_] > lame newbie question... when you install a new package.. does it not automatically add it to the gnome/xfce menu?
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku:  a screenshot utility
[11:22] <goldfish> i think it runs gnome-screenshot
[11:22] <mulkku> goldfish: know that..........
[11:22] <goldfish> k
[11:22] <Bazzi> [nrx]  usually it does.
[11:22] <kbrooks> "automatically"?
[11:22] <dashnu> mulkku, sudo apt-get install scrot
[11:22] <topyli> mulkku: gnome-panel-screenshot. btw, your nick is offensive, as you must know
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : missing a file called a .desktop file
[11:23] <kbrooks> [nrx_] , maybe. TIAS
[11:23] <mulkku> dashnu: ty
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : what package?
[11:23] <[nrx_] > Burgundavia, kdegames
[11:23] <randabis> If it's just a home server and not a production server, I'd say just use hoary...it'll be stable in about a week anyway...keep in mind stable just means that the packages get updated often...stable releases have their packages frozen other than for security updates
[11:23] <mulkku> topyli: why?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : then it should
[11:23] <mulkku> topyli: ;)
[11:23] <[nrx_] > Burgundavia, does it take a relogin?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : shouldn't if they have set up the package right
[11:24] <s0undt3ch> yeah it's a home server, but I want it secured...
[11:24] <topyli> mulkku: well, we don't have many fuckfaces and motherfuckers around do we?
[11:24] <[nrx_] > topyli, language
[11:24] <pirx> hi! i am trying to install xmms in hoary. but i cant find it in apt-cache search, shouldnt it be there?
[11:24] <s0undt3ch> there will be win machines on it, and you know they suck in security
[11:24] <topyli> [nrx_] : that's what i'm saying :(
[11:24] <Burgundavia> pirx: have you enabled universe?
[11:24] <perse> topyli: hehehe
[11:24] <randabis> hoary will be fine imho
[11:24] <kbrooks> pirx, enable universe
[11:24] <pirx> Burgundavia: nope, dunno what that means:)
[11:24] <kbrooks> pirx, do you know a little about text editing?
[11:24] <topyli> or great
[11:25] <Burgundavia> pirx: synaptic, settings --> repos add repo--> hoary universe
[11:25] <pirx> kbrooks: a little yes:)
[11:25] <kbrooks> pirx, do what Burgundavia says
[11:27] <eric> mount: RPC: erreur systme sur l'hte cible - Connexion refuse
[11:27] <eric> root@imac:/home/eric # mount localhost:/var/www /test/
[11:27] <eric> oups sorry
[11:27] <ren0> Whe I run : qemu hdd.img....
[11:27] <ren0> I get this error message: warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation....
[11:28] <ren0> Does anybody know why?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ren0: I get that as well
[11:28] <pirx> i just see some 4.10 and 5.04 repos, none of them is called universe
[11:28] <Burgundavia> pirx: should be one called community maintained
[11:28] <pirx> i see a 5.04 hoary hedgehog, should i add that?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> you should see a drop bar with hoary on it
[11:29] <Burgundavia> and below 4 check boxes
[11:29] <Burgundavia> check all 4
[11:29] <ren0> Thaks Burgundavia
[11:29] <ren0> Thanks
[11:29] <Burgundavia> np
[11:29] <pirx> those "components" i see there, is that something i should click in myself?
[11:29] <WeirdAl> guys, help :-(
[11:29] <Burgundavia> pirx: yes
[11:29] <WeirdAl> I updated my laptop to Hoary
[11:29] <pirx> Burgundavia: oki
[11:29] <BubbaMarie> i love weirdal
[11:29] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: and?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> But now it won't turn on
[11:30] <BubbaMarie> my kids love weirdal too
[11:30] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: what borked?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> When it was installing the power management system it went into suspend.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: what stage does it fail?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> But the laptop doesn't support suspend.
[11:30] <WeirdAl> And now every time I turn it on, it goes into suspend mode.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> eww
[11:30] <WeirdAl> This is because the battery's borked
[11:30] <WeirdAl> And permanently reports empty.
[11:30] <WeirdAl> Even when it's plugged in... which it always is because the battery's borked.
[11:31] <WeirdAl> I'll tell you how far it gets.
[11:31] <WeirdAl> Let me boot it...
[11:31] <WeirdAl> ... Nice if it would
[11:33] <ren0> Good night.
[11:34] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:34] <WeirdAl> It started the Power Management system
[11:34] <WeirdAl> Then it got stuck on "Starting Unix Printing System" or somethign similar
[11:34] <WeirdAl> Then it powered down into suspend
[11:35] <WeirdAl> Any ideas, dudes?
[11:35] <WeirdAl> And dudettes
[11:35] <topyli> we are awed to silence
[11:35] <Ratmann> Ok back
[11:36] <WeirdAl> You mean because I manage to bugger up such a simple thing? :-)
[11:36] <topyli> heh
[11:36] <WeirdAl> OK, would it be safe to install Hoary from CD over the top of the current one without losing my home dir?
[11:36] <Ratmann> Soo i got wings at /root/wings-0.98.29b
[11:36] <Ratmann> lol
[11:36] <WeirdAl> Red Bull gives you Wings
[11:37] <monteiro> my grave burner don't burn, it makes the image but when it is time to burn the cd it gives an error, saying that an error occurred :( , anyone can help me ?
[11:37] <topyli> WeirdAl: it should support upgrades i guess
[11:37] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:37] <WeirdAl> I'll see how it goes.
[11:37] <topyli> monteiro: what a great error message :)
[11:37] <WeirdAl> :-s Don't wanna lose me stuffses
[11:37] <hou5ton> I have installed Real Player 10 Gold on Hoary, and it is working properly. I have also installed all kinds of codecs in Totem. However, when I click on a RealPlayer link in a web page, it won't even try to open RealPlayer, but opens Totem, and then gives me the following error: No URI Handler implemented for ...
[11:37] <WeirdAl> hou5ton: Firefox?
[11:37] <topyli> WeirdAl: don't believe me then. i've never tried the upgrade
[11:37] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  yes
[11:38] <WeirdAl> I think you can change the default programs somewhere...
[11:38] <WeirdAl> and it's set to Totem for RAM files.
[11:38] <Ratmann> Anyone?
[11:38] <Ratmann> lol
[11:38] <ren0> Burgundavia, You need to be sudo for qemu to connect to tun0: pjharper@reno:~$ sudo qemu hdd.img
[11:38] <ren0> Connected to host network interface: tun0
[11:39] <ren0> Now it works
[11:39] <Ratmann> WOOT
[11:39] <Ratmann> Got it running
[11:39] <Ratmann> Silly me
[11:39] <Ratmann> lol
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ren0: ah
[11:39] <ren0> Its easy when you know how.
[11:39] <topyli> Ratmann: did you have to run it as root? that would not be good
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ren0: it is easy when you read the manpage
[11:39] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:40] <ren0> I was working from an article in a magazine. There was a lot of inaccuracy in it.
[11:40] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: did you install wings from the repos?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ren0: ah
[11:40] <ren0> So I experiment. You have to destroy the village to save it!
[11:40] <Ratmann> i downloaded the .run file
[11:40] <Ratmann> And used the root terminal to run it
[11:40] <Dreamer3> what's new in the ubuntu world?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: it is in the repos
[11:41] <ren0> qemu is quite slow though. I will be curious to try xen.
[11:41] <GnuKemist> Dreamer3: apt-get update   ;)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> ren0: qemu is dog slow
[11:41] <WeirdAl> kemist: lol
[11:41] <Dreamer3> GnuKemist: working on it
[11:41] <Ratmann> Oh poop
[11:41] <topyli> Ratmann: ah, an installer. you should install it to /opt, or use the package that ubuntu offers for you :)
[11:41] <GnuKemist> ;)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: the other advantage repos provide is removal scripts
[11:41] <WeirdAl> Linux jokes are the best.
[11:41] <GnuKemist> hehe
[11:41] <Ratmann> Were are the repos?
[11:42] <Ratmann> Sorry, still learning
[11:42] <Se7h> sorry
[11:42] <ren0> I need a bigger computer. With disk arrays the size of washing machines...
[11:42] <topyli> Ratmann: behind the apt-get command, no further
[11:42] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: you connect to them through synaptic or apt-get or aptitude
[11:42] <henry> what is the best mp3 player for ubuntu?
[11:42] <henry> i installed xmms but it crashes a lot
[11:42] <GnuKemist> henry: that's a whole bunch
[11:42] <Burgundavia> henry: common ones are mplayer, xmms, muine and rhythmbox
[11:42] <topyli> henry: there are so many different players
[11:42] <Ratmann> Type that into the root terminal?
[11:43] <Xappe> henry: xmms, beep media player, rythmbox...your fragrance, your rules
[11:43] <WeirdAl> henry: xmms crashes a lot if you don't set the sound up right.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> For one thing
[11:43] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: run synaptic if you want to have a gui tool
[11:43] <henry> yeah i havent managed to get sound to work so far
[11:43] <WeirdAl> yeah open it up
[11:43] <topyli> Ratmann: your first day, use the graphical package manager
[11:43] <henry> i only got buntu installed yesterday and its fantastic so far :)
[11:43] <WeirdAl> Then go to preferences, and change the sound driver to esd
[11:43] <Ratmann> Ok it opened
[11:43] <Ratmann> :)
[11:43] <ren0> I am finding rythmbox pretty functional. Nt pretty to look at but it works.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> esd sucks, but it'll work.
[11:44] <Burgundavia> I use muine personally
[11:44] <Burgundavia> but you need to make certain your id3 tags are in order
[11:44] <WeirdAl> It's possible to turn the esd server off and use better sound output but that's not for now :-)
[11:44] <henry> im selected soundblaster live!
[11:44] <henry> alsa mixer
[11:45] <mjr> hmm, does ubuntu use hinting proper or autohinting with freetype?
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Alsa won't work if you've not changed any system settings.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> So henry: change it to use esd
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Then see if it works.
[11:45] <topyli> Burgundavia: you need sane tags for rhythmbox too. i spent a lot of time fixing those :(
[11:45] <Ratmann> Ok so what now?
[11:45] <henry> i dont have the esd option :(
[11:45] <ren0> Try a few. Personally I find what works on one machine isn't the same as another. Sam with distros. Ubuntu is my main distro but I had a freinds that just wouldn't go with it.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> ... oh. um?
[11:45] <ren0> So I put Mandrake on it and everything worked.
[11:46] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: first day on Linux for you?
[11:46] <topyli> Ratmann: always press the reload button first
[11:46] <Ratmann> Yah
[11:46] <Ratmann> lol
[11:46] <WeirdAl> Guys, I can't install Hoary over Warty. It won't let me :-(
[11:46] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: welcome to the community! ;)
[11:46] <Ratmann> :)
[11:46] <WeirdAl> OMG
[11:46] <WeirdAl> I can use Knoppix and my USB clip
[11:46] <GnuKemist> hehe
[11:46] <WeirdAl> Hooray for dense removable storage
[11:46] <topyli> WeirdAl: no? and your /home is not on a separate partition?
[11:47] <WeirdAl> No, it's not a big disk. :-\
[11:47] <Ratmann> Pressed reload
[11:47] <WeirdAl> Still... Knoppix to the rescue!
[11:47] <GnuKemist> I wonder how long till my connection from work disconnects
[11:47] <topyli> Ratmann: then search for the package you want. wings3d or what was it
[11:47] <Ratmann> Yeah
[11:47] <GnuKemist> WeirdAl: have u heard of Damn Small Linux?
[11:48] <WeirdAl> <-- GnuKemist has quit (Connection reset by peer)
[11:48] <WeirdAl> Yeah I have. Doesn't work.
[11:48] <Ratmann> Hmm
[11:48] <Ratmann> Just noticed
[11:48] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:48] <GnuKemist> k
[11:48] <Ratmann> It says i have 308 updates
[11:48] <Ratmann> lol
[11:48] <GnuKemist> ;)
[11:48] <WeirdAl> I have that and Knoppix anyway...
[11:48] <ren0> Knoppix is good for rescue. I saved a freinds uni assignment last week.
[11:48] <topyli> hehe
[11:48] <WeirdAl> So it's not like I have to get anything.
[11:48] <Ratmann> I have to download that stuff
[11:48] <Ratmann> lol
[11:48] <topyli> Ratmann: might as well do the upgrade too :)
[11:48] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: go for it
[11:48] <Ratmann> Yah
[11:48] <ren0> You can do a lot of the knoppix stuff with the Ubuntu live cd though.
[11:49] <topyli> Ratmann: but find the package first
[11:49] <Ratmann> It was searching there, didn't find :-/
[11:49] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: the great thing about linux is that you won't need to reboot unless there is a kernel update
[11:49] <Ratmann> I mean nothing appeared
[11:49] <Ratmann> OHH
[11:49] <Ratmann> :)
[11:49] <topyli> Ratmann: ok, so you don't have all the repositories enabled
[11:49] <Ratmann> Rebooting can be annoying
[11:49] <Ratmann> lol
[11:50] <Ratmann> Oh yeah, i heard that CS:S is now running on Linux
[11:50] <Ratmann> lol
[11:50] <Flonne> Burgundavia, does Hoary's LiveCD have a default root password or is it set during configuartion?
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: synaptic settings---> repos   add--> hoary --> click all four checkboxes
[11:50] <GnuKemist> I have to go now...  long drive home...
[11:50] <ren0> I think the only program I ever had to reboot for in linux is the Bastille hardening script.
[11:50] <Ratmann> I need to get CS:S, and Softimage|XSI to work on linux, then i'm changing all the way to it
[11:50] <Ratmann> :)
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Flonne: I would assume none, but I haven't tested and don't know
[11:51] <WeirdAl> the f***?
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Knoppix just suspended
[11:51] <Flonne> Bleh. I'll download it before posting.
[11:51] <WeirdAl> It even said "Suspending now."
[11:51] <WeirdAl> And then it did!
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Why? :-9
[11:51] <WeirdAl> :-(
[11:51] <ren0> This fine Australian wine sure makes Ubuntu more fun to work with.
[11:52] <Ratmann> Well downloading now
[11:52] <topyli> ren0: i don't remember. did we reboot after running bastille?
[11:52] <Ratmann> Gonna take about 3 or 4 hours
[11:52] <Ratmann> Or 2
[11:52] <Ratmann> :)
[11:52] <ren0> It tells you to at the end. topyli
[11:53] <ren0> Or it doesn't take effect. Its the only program I have ever seen that in linux.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> Hooray! A big big list of read errors.
[11:53] <topyli> ren0: might be, it's been a long time. it does change some stuff that won't take effect otherwise
[11:53] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  in Firefox in Edit>>Preferences>>Downloads, there is a File Types window, but I do not see a way to add anything in that window
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about symbios scsi cards? (dunno if thats Promise or not but it has a 'Promise' sticker label thou)
[11:54] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  If i click the Plug-ins button, it lists two .... but neither one of them is RealPlayer
[11:54] <looksaus> I have a problem with docbook-xsl: it is old, even in hoary
[11:54] <ren0> I am now running SUSE inside qemu inside ubuntu.
[11:54] <Burgundavia> hey CarlK, what is the issue again?
[11:54] <looksaus> upstream contains lots of bug fixes
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Hmm ... it must be a system thing.
[11:54] <looksaus> should I file a bug?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> lookorez: is it main or universe?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Anyone know how to change default applications for file types?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: for firefox
[11:54] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: is tricky
[11:54] <WeirdAl> If you do, tell houston not me :-)
[11:54] <looksaus> Burgundavia, main...
[11:55] <ren0> But I think I need to change the window manager from kde in SUSE to something lighter...fluxbox?
[11:55] <Burgundavia> looksaus: is it fixed in debian?
[11:55] <looksaus> let me have a look...
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: you want to change an app that is set by default?
[11:55] <black_Nightmare> ren0 -- what you think of qemu yourself so far? (and what cpu too)
[11:55] <black_Nightmare> I've kept wondering about trying it (even if I have an older cpu here heh)
[11:55] <pirx> but mplayer isnt in universe?
[11:56] <CarlK> Burgundavia - right not the box says "Reading extended state information; Initilazing Package States... Done"
[11:56] <Burgundavia> pirx: mplayer has major legal problems. It is in debian marraillait
[11:56] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:   I have installed Real Player 10 Gold on Hoary, and it is working properly. I have also installed all kinds of codecs in Totem. However, when I click on a RealPlayer link in a web page, it won't even try to open RealPlayer, but opens Totem, and then gives me the following error: No URI Handler implemented for ...
[11:56] <CarlK> Burgundavia - it has been like that for over 4 hours
[11:56] <dockane> maybe i am too dump or the faq is : where do i find "File Browser: Internet File Menu -> Create Launcher" ??
[11:56] <looksaus> Burgundavia, nope, looks about the same as the Debian version
[11:56] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I would retry again
[11:56] <pirx> Burgundavia: oki, thanks for the help
[11:57] <Burgundavia> looksaus: then I would file a bug in the bugzilla
[11:57] <looksaus> ok
[11:57] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have been installing on this box every day for the last week or so
[11:57] <Burgundavia> CarlK: have you tried a different cd?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> CarlK:  have you tried the live cd?
[11:57] <ren0> I have a Pentium 4. 512 Ram.
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> ughh..thats way advanced compared to me here lol
[11:58] <CarlK> Burgundavia - net install, md5sum checked, same setup installs fine to 3 other boxes
[11:58] <Burgundavia> On my 2500+ with 1gig I still see really slow qemu performance
[11:58] <Burgundavia> CarlK: hmm
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> hmm I guess its not worth it then
[11:58] <WeirdAl> OMG it's loaded the GUI
[11:58] <CarlK> Burgundavia - same image will get to a diferent place and "stall"
[11:58] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: what do you have?
[11:58] <WeirdAl> boosh
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> may as well as see if dosbox or something still can try load win95
[11:58] <Burgundavia> CarlK: sounds like harddrive to me
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> burgun... slot1 300Amhz [might upgrade..dunno..depends on pricing all the time so far]
[11:59] <ren0> black_Nightmare, qemu is a bit sluggish but I will be using it mostly to muck around and practice for my LPI.
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> might consider a 1ghz soon -- not sure...no idea about budget lol
[11:59] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have another drive I can stick in, but first is there anything to check on the current state of the box?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> CarlK: provided that you have tested the same cd on other machines. If you are comfortable with hardware, you migth want to try move the hdd to another box
[11:59] <Xappe> hmm, talking about dosbox. how can I get sound from dosbox, it's complaining about ALSA, and I've killed esd
[11:59] <ren0> So I don't have to use my main ubuntu. Plus you can learn Yast and rpms.