[11:19] <dimitern> hey guys, anyone around?
[11:20] <dimitern> I have a question how do you handle client api websocket connections going down
[11:21] <dimitern> frankban, teknic: maybe you can help? ^^
[11:22] <dimitern> oops teknico ^^
[11:23] <teknico> dimitern: maybe :-) go on
[11:24] <dimitern> teknico: so there's a way to ping a websocket connection and verify it's still alive
[11:24] <dimitern> teknico: are you using this with the gui?
[11:26] <teknico> dimitern: possibly, let me have a look
[11:29] <teknico> dimitern: we use Y.ReconnectingWebSocket
[11:29] <frankban> dimitern: IIRC we use a reconnecting websocket, reconnecting when the onclose message arrives. The websocket connection should have a readyState attr set to 1 if the connection is open
[11:30] <dimitern> frankban, teknico: So this I presume uses some form of pinging internally? Where's the code?
[11:31] <teknico> dimitern: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/app/assets/javascripts/reconnecting-websocket.js
[11:32] <teknico> dimitern: invoked from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/app/store/env/base.js#L172
[11:33] <dimitern> teknico: istm you're reconnecting when the connection is closed, but not actively monitoring whether it's stil alive
[11:33] <teknico> dimitern: yes, that's my understanding too
[11:33] <dimitern> teknico: ok, thanks for checking
[11:33] <teknico> dimitern: yw
[13:38] <frankban> dimitern: could you please review https://codereview.appspot.com/9641044 ?


[22:24] <BloatJanitor> So I saw a bug report announced  in the announce channel and I'm wondering if it is actually a copyright violation?
[22:25] <BloatJanitor> Is Ubuntu allowed to relicense icons of company logos?


[01:02] <peitschie> mornin everyone :)
[14:47] <_spm_Draget> I have setup sftp on my server. Since configuring all rights is possible but prone to errors, I have the sftp-only user chrooted to directory X which is currently his homedirectory. Now, the bzr repository has to be under X for him to access. Symlinks do not work. But if others want to use it, they need to be able to access X too. Basically meaning I need the same chroot folder for all people using the repo.
[14:48] <_spm_Draget> Or I have just one dedicated user that is for accessing that one bzr repositories and all teammembers share the same user/password.
[14:48] <_spm_Draget> CAn anyone think of a more elegant solution?
[15:35] <fullermd> If symlinks broke a chroot, it would kinda defeat the purpose   8-}
[15:47] <_spm_Draget> Yeah, I know :P
[15:48] <_spm_Draget> But I have configured webdav and sftp... sftp giving me a headache to make a flexibe authentification system on a shared repository as I explained above and webdav only working as an addition plugin that is not available some large distributions =(
[15:53] <fullermd> Well, if you need multiple people to access something, they all need access to it.  That means they need to not chroot somewhere that doesn't contain it.  Not really a shortcut to that...
[16:12] <_spm_Draget> fullermd: I thought about it... but using a shared chroot would break the concept of home-folder... I would have to chroot them to /srv or /srv/bzr… ofcourse all other /srv services have the appropiate userrights but I am still not completly happy with this. Hmm… ssh allows public key infrastructure. I never tried it, but maybe I can generate key for all users and if I want to disallow access I can block single keys, instead of
[16:12] <_spm_Draget> having to change the password.
[16:30] <vila> _spm_Draget: yup, that's the way to go
[16:30] <vila> _spm_Draget: and disallow password for the login
[19:53] <gthorslund> vila: thx for fix in 661490. I somehow thought it was the >= instead of <= first, but got confused trying to understand how versions was supposed to be compared.
[20:23] <vila> gthorslund: np, obviously this haven't been tested for a long time :-/ So, kudos for raising the issue !
[20:29] <gthorslund> vila: I actually tried it since I wanted to test 539937. revno 75 said it fixed some issue like that.
[20:30] <vila> gthorslund: yeah, I wondered about that too, but I don't use the plugin myself, so I just fixed the obvious
[20:30] <vila> gthorslund: so any light you can shed on the subject will certainly be appreciated
[20:37] <fullermd> Phew.  Finally got my website rework done and live.  It only took a year.
[20:37]  * fullermd scratches off one more thing that used to be in CVS...
[20:41] <vila> fullermd: that still leave this ftp server...
[20:41]  * fullermd notes that he does NOT run ftpd   :p
[20:42] <vila> they all say that
[20:42] <fullermd> Oh, not true.  Some of them say "Why yes, I am running ft...   AAUGH!  Why are you stabbing me??  *sputter*  *bleed*"
[20:49] <vila> Haaaaaa, 10 not 11 and the Ubuntu font becomes so more enjoyable....
[20:51] <vila> fullermd: yeah, there is still a lot of  education to be done to fully switch to ssh... Generating and handling keys is still seen as arcane...
[20:52] <fullermd> Let 'em use passwords.  That's fine.
[20:52] <fullermd> Heck, let 'em use TFTP, come to that.    Is that so much to ask?
[20:52] <vila> certainly not :)
[20:53]  * vila takes some distance just in case :)
[20:55] <fullermd> 'till then, I'll just sit around watching my web log to see what I broke in redoing everything.  Great excitement...
[20:56] <vila> hehe


[03:37] <michael_p> hi anyone had any probs with kdenlive
[03:37] <michael_p> i am outputing 3 mins of video
[03:37] <michael_p> 3 seconds
[03:37] <michael_p> sorry
[03:54] <michael_p> well that hits the garbage can
[04:03] <bjrohan> HELP. Ever since my "upgrade" from 14.04 to 15.04 a week ago, my wifi, when connecting to my NetGear AC router sucks, any suggestions
[04:07] <bjrohan> As evidence of me being kicked off
[04:11] <michael_p> i am well pissed off
[04:14] <bjrohan_> I have switched to an eternal radio, can anyone help?
[04:19] <vbgunz> kubuntu 15.04 hangs on boot up, maybe 2 minutes hanging. it seems to find a disk to decrypt but I don't get the prompt. then it takes me to an emergency prompt and I ctrl+d and get the decryption prompt... everything resumes as normal. but I spend 2 minutes waiting for this, how to fix?
[04:26] <bjrohan> I don't think there is any help here :-(
[04:29] <michael_p> i see if i get the same results witn fedora
[04:31] <michael_p> if so back to windows (yuck)
[04:39] <michael_p> or osx
[08:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:50] <ovidiu-florin> morning lordievader
[08:51] <ovidiu-florin> bjrohan_: hello
[08:51] <ovidiu-florin> bjrohan_: are you still around?
[08:52] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[08:53] <ovidiu-florin> I'm sad to see that so many help requests were made last night and no one was here to help them
[08:54] <lordievader> That is the fate of IRC.
[08:55] <lordievader> I take people didn't stick around?
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> of cource not
[09:05] <ovidiu-florin> they waited for 2 mins tops
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> one even said he'll go to fedora, and then back to windows
[09:08] <lordievader> Pff
[09:09] <ovidiu-florin> he had issues ith kdenlive
[09:09] <ovidiu-florin> so he gave up on Kubuntu
[09:13] <gier_do> sounds like he was really trying..
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> from what I see he messed up the rendering, most likely
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <naftilos76> Anybody?
[11:23] <hateball> anybody what?
[11:24] <naftilos76> Hi, i installed 15.04 in my laptop. After suspending to ram and back and finally shutting down, the boot process stops at a point where i see on the lcd "starting version 219" without a cursor blinking on the lcd. It was working fine but after i used the suspend to ram function the boot process stops there.
[11:24] <naftilos76> I then switched to another virtual terminal, logged in and started an x session by writting "startx" which worked fine.
[11:24] <naftilos76> My question is why is the normal boot process disrupted while it was working fine
[11:24] <naftilos76> hateball: Please see my comments above
[11:26] <hateball> naftilos76: Afraid I dont use suspend so I dont know much about. Inspect the usual logs etc with journalctl
[11:59] <fewcha> can someone please tell me how to install Qt 5.4 in my system?
[12:00] <fewcha> It's Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[12:00] <sick_rimmit> Hi fewcha
[12:01] <sick_rimmit> Do you mean for development, or do you want the new Plasma 5 stuff ?
[12:01] <fewcha> for development purposes
[12:01] <fewcha> of a KDE app
[12:01] <fewcha> sick_rimmit: ^
[12:04] <fewcha> sick_rimmit: I need qt 5.4 in order to build the kde plasma mediacenter
[12:05] <bshah> actually not pmc but whole plasma 5 depends upon qt 5.4
[12:05] <bshah> pmc doesn't have hard requirement of 5.4
[12:06] <lordievader> Is Qt 5.4 in the Kubuntu backports?
[12:06] <fewcha> okay
[12:06] <fewcha> lordievader: how do I know that?
[12:08] <lordievader> Err... That is the question ;) Nah, I just though perhaps someone knows.
[12:09] <fewcha> oh. Well, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+index?batch=75&direction=backwards&memo=825&start=750 shows only qt4-x11 in its backports
[12:12] <fewcha> lordievader: ^
[12:12] <lordievader> Hmm, yes the other Kubuntu ppa also do not seem to have qt stuff.
[12:13] <fewcha> hm
[12:19] <lordievader> !info libqt5core5a
[12:19] <lordievader> fewcha: Ah, qt5.4 seems to be simply in the repo ;)
[12:19] <mflow> Any ideas why I can't right click inside a Konsole window to open the context menu ?
[12:21] <fewcha> lordievader: It's showing, "libqt5core5a is already the newest version."
[12:22] <bshah> lordievader: fechwa have ubuntu not kubuntu
[12:22] <fewcha> no no I have kubuntu only
[12:22] <lordievader> fewcha: So what is the problem?
[12:24] <fewcha> lordievader: this is the error I am getting when I am trying to build kxmlrpcclient (build system KDE) from frameworks using kdesrc-build: https://paste.kde.org/p40jti5si/eumyas
[12:24] <lordievader> fewcha: Do you have the qt header files installed?
[12:25] <fewcha> lordievader: how do I check that?
[12:26] <lordievader> fewcha: dpkg -l|grep -e libqt -e dev
[12:28] <fewcha> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pybbwcbsd/5zpyfo
[12:31] <fewcha> lordievader: the whole output: https://paste.kde.org/pxkcsr0tb/vzxqlz
[12:33] <lordievader> fewcha: Seems I do not know grep too wel, could you make it 'dpkg -l|grep -e libqt |grep -e dev'?
[12:34] <fewcha> lordievader: sure. https://paste.kde.org/p0d5khqkn/dhp7i1
[12:42] <lordievader> Hmm, I'm not really sure what you are missing. Perhaps someone in #kde knows?
[12:43] <fewcha> hmm, let me ask them in a while
[12:43] <fewcha> lordievader: btw, thx :)
[12:43] <lordievader> No problem. I'm sorry I could help you further though.
[12:43] <lordievader> Also the folks in #kubuntu-devel might be able to help.
[12:45] <fewcha> okay :)
[14:55] <hussni> jjjhjk
[15:35] <akasic> hi, in my hardware detection kubuntu suggests to install the driver  ''processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel microcode'', shall I ?
[16:28] <vbgunz> is there a ppa for KDE 15.04.3?
[16:29] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: I realized something about that weird bug that borks the monitor. I don't think it's nvidia but Kwin that's causing that. e.g., next time it happens, suspend and then reenable Kwin effects. it's gone :)
[16:30] <ahoneybun> odd
[16:30] <vbgunz> it won't be gone forever but it's a quick fix
[16:51] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: suspend and reenable kwn effects?
[17:07] <oem> irc.freenode.net
[17:11] <naftilos76> Hi everyone, has there been anything new regarding the systemd message "starting version 219"? I have to switch to a different v term every time i boot my laptop to get in x!
[17:14] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: the shortcut which I find the easiest way is Shift+Alt+12 to toggle them
[17:14] <vbgunz> not 12 F12, sorry
[17:16] <naftilos76> My laptop stops booting up with a message "starting version 219". Can anybody confirm it?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, I can confirm that if your greeter page/sddm is not loading then drop to TTY/VT and login then, run sudo systemctl enable sddm
[17:24] <BluesKaj> TTY/VT is, ctl+alt+F1-F6
[17:27] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: I have followed the guide to restart systemd: http://life.wamari.com/2015/03/16/fixing-starting-version-219-bug-in-kubuntu-15-04-vivid-vervet-beta/
[17:28] <naftilos76> It restarted normally but the next boot stopped as did the previous boots
[17:29] <naftilos76> I will doit again and letyou know
[17:34] <naftilos76> BlueKaj: I just experienced the same message and the boot stopped. I had to switch to anther virtual terminal and run startx. Can you advise anything else?
[17:39] <naftilos76> BlueKaj?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, did you chrooot with a live-cd previously
[17:41] <BluesKaj> my nick is BluesKaj , just use the tab key to complete my nick
[17:44] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, if so, run,  rm /dev/null in the VT and you should be able boot properly again
[17:53] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Sorry, fast typing.
[18:07] <lordievader> I wonder what his cmdline looks like.
[18:09] <EvilRoey> Enter your command, master$
[18:14] <lordievader> EvilRoey: ?
[18:17] <EvilRoey> back
[18:17] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I was just funning around.
[18:17] <EvilRoey> don't mind me </whistling>
[18:18] <lordievader> EvilRoey: We have #kubuntu-offtopic for that ;)
[18:22] <EvilRoey> fair enoguh :)
[18:22] <EvilRoey> *enough
[18:48] <Scunizi> Just curious.. I'm running 14.04 now and would consider 15.04 but how stable is it? This is for my production machine.
[18:52] <mparillo__> I would say stability is less of a concern than regressions (say missing widgets, panel indicators, guest account, regionalization). None are deal-breaker sfor me,but why not try in a VM for a few days first?
[18:53] <lordievader> Scunizi: I wouldn't run a non-LTS release on a production machine.
[18:53] <lordievader> Wait for 16.04.
[18:58] <vbgunz> Scunizi: don't do it. honestly don't. 14.10 for me is literally I'd say a hundred x more stable than 15.04. With what I do in 15.04, I've literally seen more crashes in a week than all the crashes I've seen since 14.04. I'm using 15.04 right now and have been the whole week testing it. It's great but definitely far from stable
[19:00] <lordievader> Hmm, 15.04 and 15.10 have both been rather stable with me.
[19:03] <Scunizi> lordievader: vbgunz thanks for the input.. I've got 15.04 running on a spare laptop with no issues so far but hate to risk it with my work machine.
[19:03] <lordievader> Just go with LTS'es for production machines ;)
[19:07] <Scunizi> I've been running kubuntu & Ubuntu since 5.04 .. always an adventure.
[19:14] <leumas> Scunizi: I started with 6.04..trully an adventure
[19:15] <leumas> Scunizi: Am running 15.04 on Vmware right now bcos am not sure am ready to instal it fully just yet, am hoping 15.10 will calm my fears
[19:16] <mparillo__> leumas: Can  you verify: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342978
[19:23] <RobinHood2015> I know of GUFW, but is there a similar utility in KDE to configure the firewall?
[19:34] <Scunizi> leumas: LOL.. I occasionally try a newer version in VBox.. I use to run Vmware but it was overkill for me. Vbox I've found so much easier.
[20:35] <eXistenZe> Hey guys
[20:36] <eXistenZe> is there a good backup tool to copy key files to a backup partition or a backup nfs share?
[20:36] <eXistenZe> or is it better to just set up some cron tasks?
[20:38] <mrhide> hi
[21:01] <bprompt> !backupu
[21:01] <bprompt> !backup
[21:25] <eXistenZe> the thing about linux is that there are quite a few ways of doing everything
[21:26] <eXistenZe> any actual good option with a nice gui?
[21:28] <mparillo__> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/TMTOWTDI.html
[21:45] <vbgunz> is it safe to disable plymouth on 15.04?
[22:50] <vbgunz> I'm experiencing a hang on boot up with 15.04. I believe I've narrowed it down to my encrypted disk and crypttab. I have no idea what's wrong though as 14.10 loves this setup but 15.04 hangs about 90 seconds dealing with it. Also, 15.04 drops me to an emergency prompt after the wait and if I press Ctrl+D, I then get the password prompt for the disk and I can boot up quick. what's happening in the 90 second delay?
[22:58] <vbgunz> I'm trying some stuff but every damn boot takes more than 2 minutes if things go normal
[23:12] <mparillo__> Have you tried systemd-analyze blame
[23:23] <vbgunz> I think I figured it out. it seems you need "quiet splash" enabled in grub in order to get the prompt immediately. Kind of sucks, I like the verbose output


[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1628 Successfully built
[01:06] <dobey> kenvandine: if you see this, 28 is approved, but it has packaging changes, so needs ack on packaging changes to publish
[01:09] <kenvandine> dobey, awesome
[01:10] <kenvandine> dobey, i see my packaging change in there :)
[01:10] <kenvandine> publishing
[01:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1726 Publishing
[01:14] <dobey> whoot
[01:15] <kenvandine> dobey, done
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[02:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1706 Diff missing (vivid/oxide-qt, xenial/oxide-qt). Ready to build (yakkety/oxide-qt)
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[07:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1707 QA Signoff: Approved
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[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681 Currently building (xenial/storage-framework). Failed to build (yakkety/unity-api). Ready to build (xenial/boost1.58, yakkety/boost1.58). Successfully built (vivid/boost1.58, vivid/online-accounts-api, vivid/storage-framework, vivid/unity-api, xenial/online-accounts-api, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/online-accounts-api, yakkety/storage-framework)
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681 Failed to build (yakkety/unity-api). Ready to build (xenial/boost1.58, yakkety/boost1.58). Successfully built (vivid/boost1.58, vivid/online-accounts-api, vivid/storage-framework, vivid/unity-api, xenial/online-accounts-api, xenial/storage-framework, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/online-accounts-api, yakkety/storage-framework)
[08:16] <jamesh> trainguards: I'm seeing a yakkety/powerpc failure in my silo, with some test binaries segfaulting.  From what I can tell, the underlying problem is in Qt/QML somewhere having a bad interaction with GCC 6.  What's the policy on landing silos hitting this?
[08:34] <Saviq> jamesh, bug #1606927
[08:35] <Saviq> jamesh, "solution" https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/ubuntu-system-settings/no-test-powerpc/+merge/301271
[08:38] <anpok> trainguards: I need help uploading a patched source package for maliit-framwork to https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751
[08:40] <jamesh> Saviq: okay.  I just wanted to check if disabling tests was the answer, or if we were blocked.
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[08:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Preparing packages
[09:10] <Mirv> jamesh: powerpc is the least interesting architecture for us (compared to eg ppc64el and s390x), so it's ok
[09:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 Ready to build
[09:16] <jamesh> Mirv: okay, awesome. I'll follow Saviq's lead then.
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Failed to build (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/compiz)
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1620 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/aethercast). Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/aethercast, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/aethercast, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[10:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kdub, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/mir). Successfully built (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-system-compositor)
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1476 Failed to build (yakkety/bino, yakkety/ovito, yakkety/sleepyhead, yakkety/tulip, yakkety/vite). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (yakkety/itksnap, yakkety/openscad, yakkety/sdrangelove). Proposed pocket (yakkety/marble, yakkety/okteta). Successfully built (yakkety/goldencheetah, yakkety/libqglviewer, yakkety/mudlet, yakkety/qwtplot3d, yakkety/yade)
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1703 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/thumbnailer). Successfully built (vivid/persistent-cache-cpp, vivid/thumbnailer, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/thumbnailer, yakkety/persistent-cache-cpp)
[10:26] <anpok> trainguards: Havent done that in a while with source packages. Do I need an MP for source packages like maliit-frameworks now?
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Dependency wait (yakkety/location-service). Failed to build (vivid/location-service). Successfully built (xenial/location-service)
[10:28] <Mirv> anpok: no, you just ask some coredev or trainguard to upload things to silo and it will appear in "Source Package Names" and be tracked by train
[10:29] <Mirv> and if you need tri-landing you need to prepare three uploads, one based on yakkety archive version and two based on the versions currently in overlay PPA
[10:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 QA Signoff: Failed
[10:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1711 Dependency wait (vivid/repowerd). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/repowerd, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/repowerd)
[10:34] <Mirv> FYI doko seems on the run uploading huge bunch of stuff into yakkety so silos may get outdated. let's consider handling them on case to case basis. for example if something would be under QA I wouldn't do a rebuild but instead land to vivid and xenial and no change rebuild to yakkety
[10:34] <Mirv> I feel there is enough things dragging down the speed of landings already
[10:35] <Mirv> seems boost related uploads
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kdub, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/mir, yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1742 Dependency wait (yakkety/location-service). Failed to build (vivid/location-service). Successfully built (xenial/location-service)
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1620 Preparing packages
[10:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681 Preparing packages
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1620 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Failed to build (yakkety/aethercast, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/aethercast, xenial/aethercast)
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681 Ready to build (xenial/boost1.58, yakkety/boost1.58). Successfully built (vivid/boost1.58, vivid/online-accounts-api, vivid/storage-framework, vivid/unity-api, xenial/online-accounts-api, xenial/storage-framework, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/online-accounts-api, yakkety/storage-framework, yakkety/unity-api)
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1620 Failed to build (yakkety/aethercast, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/aethercast, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/aethercast, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kdub, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/mir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[11:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark bregma, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1716 Abandoning ticket
[11:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1749 Preparing packages
[12:02] <jgdx> sil2100, string freeze is long gone for ota13, right?
[12:03] <Mirv> jgdx: last Friday
[12:03] <jgdx> Mirv, right
[12:04] <Mirv> jgdx: oh actually not, if I read correctly it's only tomorrow, and the info at https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testinghttps://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing would be incorrect
[12:04] <Mirv> and then final freeze next week's Friday
[12:04] <Mirv> so both one week later than the trello says
[12:07] <Mirv> robru: FYI at least https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1575/landing-073-yakkety/excuses.html hasn't been updating since yesterday evening even though there are later results like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:08] <Mirv> same for yaml
[12:08] <Mirv> Saviq: qmluitests pass ^ with proposed btw, nice
[12:09] <jgdx> Mirv, uh okay. /me reverts reverts
[12:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 Preparing packages
[12:09] <Saviq> Mirv, I think robru disabled updating excuses for tickets that are QA-ready already
[12:09] <Mirv> Saviq: oh, ok
[12:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 yakkety/ubuntuone-credentials: Failed to branch https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntuone-credentials/fix-tests
[12:10] <Mirv> robru: nevermind then, updating stops at QA-ready is sensible
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 Diff missing (vivid/maliit-framework, yakkety/maliit-framework). Ready to build (xenial/maliit-framework)
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 Preparing packages
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntuone-credentials). Successfully built (vivid/account-plugins, vivid/account-polld, vivid/sync-monitor, vivid/ubuntuone-credentials, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/account-polld, xenial/sync-monitor, xenial/ubuntuone-credentials, yakkety/account-plugins, yakkety/account-polld, yakkety/sync-monitor)
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1749 Successfully built
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Preparing packages
[13:22] <renatu> robru, I am trying to build ubuntuone-credentials on silo 79. But it is failing to build on Yakkety/s390x due missing deps (ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot) is that expected?
[13:22] <renatu> build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276741766/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-s390x.ubuntuone-credentials_15.11+16.10.20160804_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine). Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles,
[13:28] <dobey> renatu: why are you building u1-credentials in your SILO!?
[13:28] <renatu> dobey, trying to fix the failing test: with that https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntuone-credentials/fix-tests/+merge/302015
[13:29] <dobey> that doesn't fix the tests
[13:29] <renatu> dobey, the build works nice in the silo
[13:29] <dobey> renatu: you're confusing silo and autopkgtests issues
[13:31] <renatu> dobey, I was hopping running the tests in a single thread make it more stable
[13:31] <dobey> renatu: all your change does is make the tests not run at all
[13:31] <renatu> dobey, why?
[13:32] <mardy> trainguards: can we set this to QA ready? dobey confirms that it's an infra issue: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1562
[13:33] <dobey> renatu: explained in comment on the MP
[13:33] <dobey> but anyway, yes, ubuntuone-credentials won't build on s390x on yakkety any more
[13:33] <Mirv> mardy: you need to ask ubuntu-qa, not trainguards
[13:34] <renatu> dobey, ok. I will remove it from my silo. But I need the problem solved. Could you help me with that?
[13:34] <dobey> renatu: no, i can't fix the infrastructure, and the failure can't be recreated locally
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-download-manager). Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Uploading build (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager)
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 Preparing packages
[13:40] <rvr> mardy: Totals: 20 passed, 2 failed
[13:40] <rvr> mardy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:41] <mardy> rvr: yes, but dobey is familiar with this and said it's a known transient problem
[13:41] <rvr> mardy: Totals: 21 passed, 1 failed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:41] <rvr> mardy: Two platforms with the same "transient" problem?
[13:42] <dobey> rvr: it's not platform specific. it's transient, likely dependent on load and other issues in infrastructure
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/apparmor-eas
[13:44] <rvr> Hmmmm
[13:44] <rvr> mardy: How does the test retrieve the timestamp?
[13:47] <mardy> dobey: ^
[13:48] <dobey> it's a simple server in python that the test talks to
[13:52] <rvr> dobey: Is that what it is failing?
[13:54] <dobey> rvr: well i don't know what exactly is failing, beyond the test itself ends up getting the wrong values.
[13:54] <rvr> QDEBUG : TestToken::testGetServerTimestampMuchEarlier() Getting timestamp from server: "http://localhost:8000/muchearlier"
[13:54] <rvr> QSYSTEM: TestToken::testGetServerTimestampMuchEarlier() Error fetching server timestamp: ""
[13:54] <rvr> FAIL!  : TestToken::testGetServerTimestampMuchEarlier() Compared values are not the same
[13:54] <dobey> rvr: like i said many times already, i can't replicate the issue locally
[13:55] <rvr> If you don't know why a test fail, then it is not a good test
[13:55] <dobey> yes, so maybe the python process was killed while the test was running or something, i don't know
[13:55] <dobey> then write a better one and submit a patch
[13:55] <rvr> It is not my job
[13:56] <dobey> then please don't complain about the tests that do exist, and sometimes fail due to infrastructure reliability issues.
[13:57] <rvr> It is my job to complain about it
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526 Preparing packages
[14:05] <Mirv> rvr: is there hope with silo 73 still today?
[14:05] <rvr> Mirv: I'm on it
[14:05] <Mirv> ok
[14:05] <rvr> Mirv: I'm trying to replicate a performance issue
[14:06] <rvr> Was similar to the one we saw yesterday in the wizard, but not in the wizard
[14:06] <rvr> in the Dash
[14:07] <Mirv> ok. I'll wait for a few hours and if it seems still stuck ask release team again about the migration part. but then again 73 would be even better as theoretically no release team needed.
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1690 QA Signoff: Approved
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 Successfully built
[14:25] <dobey> well fine i'll just disable the tests then, since nobody wants to help fix them
[14:28] <dobey> trainguards: can we go ahead and finalize https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1726 now? it seems yakkety landing got blocked because gcc6 broke something in unity-scope-click tests, which will have to be fixed separately, and would like to get this code landed so we can move forward with hopefully getting some more branches ready for other fixes in UAL too
[14:37] <Mirv> dobey: you need to convince ubuntu-qa to take it into their queue. I don't have a problem as such to ignore yakkety problem for a while as there are plenty (s390x upstart, Qt transition, boost transition)
[14:38] <Mirv> however I think GCC6 switch did not start yet
[14:38] <Mirv> especially with OTA landings needing to land soon for the OTA-13
[14:38] <dobey> Mirv: no, this isn't about qa. it's about publishing
[14:39] <rvr> Mirv: We are aware of yaketty issues, so no problem with it
[14:39] <dobey> Mirv: qa already approved yesterday, and it's held in proposed on yakkety
[14:39] <Mirv> dobey: oh, right, my mistake
[14:40] <Mirv> dobey: so yes, that can be finalized indeed. please however bookmark http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-app-launch and make some noise if it seems stuck for a longer than a week
[14:40] <Mirv> and it seems GCC6 started as well, oh my
[14:40] <Mirv> based on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/276591489/gcc-defaults_1.150ubuntu1_1.163ubuntu1.diff.gz
[14:40] <dobey> yeah, it's gcc6
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1726 Merging to trunk
[14:41] <Mirv> so great, the Qt transition didn't happen before that :( not sure what new obstacles there might be now, but then again it's too late now regardless
[14:41] <dobey> i didn't see unity-scope-click in the build failures in the PPA though, so maybe the problem is that unity-scopes-api is broken, and abi incompat caused the problem
[14:43] <Mirv> dobey: finalize done
[14:47] <dobey> Mirv: thanks
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[14:49] <boiko> kenvandine: could you please review the packaging changes on silo 63?
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1707 Publish failed: boiko not authorized to upload messaging-app due to packaging diff
[14:50] <boiko> kenvandine: and also on silo 10 if possible?
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1690 Publish failed: boiko not authorized to upload dialer-app due to packaging diff
[14:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1690 Publishing
[14:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1707 Publishing
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1753 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntuone-credentials). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntuone-credentials, xenial/ubuntuone-credentials)
[15:00] <dobey> really wish these transitions would go through silos, and have MPs for the packages which are fully managed via silos
[15:04] <Mirv> Qt transition did go through a silo
[15:05] <kenvandine> boiko, done
[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Preparing packages
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1707 Proposed pocket (yakkety/messaging-app). Release pocket (vivid/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-app)
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1628 Preparing packages
[15:11] <dobey> should perhaps someone go through and delete all the wily packages from the overlay ppa?
[15:12] <robru> dobey: to what end?
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1690 Proposed pocket (yakkety/dialer-app). Release pocket (vivid/dialer-app, xenial/dialer-app)
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 Diff missing
[15:12] <dobey> robru: we don't support wily any more (it's EOL), and never really did on the phone. and would reduce number of timeouts when loading the archive page on launchpad
[15:16] <dobey> slangasek: hi, does ubuntuone-credentials still have binaries on s390x in yakkety? seems like maybe they need to be deleted too if haven't been yet
[15:17] <dobey> seb128: ^^
[15:19] <davmor3> morphis, jibel : Talk to sil2100 he was looking after.citrain if that is the silo you are on about
[15:19] <davmor3> goes back to not being here
[15:19] <sil2100> hm?
[15:21] <robru> dobey: lol I'm getting timeout errors deleting packages
[15:21] <davmor3> sil2100 morphis was on about a silo I approved I assume it is the citrain one
[15:22] <sil2100> davmor3: yeah, thanks, talking on internal about that now
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine). Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles,
[15:22] <davmor3> sil2100 awesome thanks, chatter isn't a bad irc client on the phone
[15:23] <dobey> robru: fun!
[15:23] <davmor3> but with that I am off again now
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1663 Merging to trunk
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Preparing packages
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager). Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager)
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/apparmor-eas
[15:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1677 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[16:03] <rvr> jgdx: ltinkl: Silo 73 approved
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:04] <rvr> jgdx: ltinkl: But I think is it slow on first boot
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Preparing packages
[16:05] <rvr> jgdx: ltinkl: I added a comment in trello about the performance issue
[16:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Currently building (vivid/location-service, xenial/location-service). Failed to build (yakkety/location-service)
[16:08] <sil2100> \o/
[16:08] <sil2100> Let me publish and push the seed changes
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1750 Diff missing
[16:12] <sil2100> Packaging ACK, publishing
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1628 Successfully built
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 Publish failed: unity-api has merges in bad states
[16:15] <Saviq> rvr, thanks!
[16:15] <Mirv> rvr: !!
[16:15] <Mirv> sil2100: !!
[16:15] <sil2100> I'll upload the seeds in a moment
[16:15] <Saviq> sil2100, actually wait with that
[16:15] <Mirv> no seed yet, bug fix needed
[16:15] <sil2100> With the seeds..?
[16:15] <sil2100> uh
[16:15] <Saviq> sil2100, we'll have a followup silo for the indicator alone to improve UX
[16:16] <sil2100> Ok, any ETA of that?
[16:16] <Saviq> sil2100, ready for QA today
[16:16] <sil2100> hm, ok, then I'll have to back off this change since I pilled up 2 seed changes at once
[16:16] <Mirv> sil2100: did the publish fail?
[16:16] <sil2100> Mirv: yeah, missing review, waiting for mzanetti
[16:16] <sil2100> But I could approve it instead
[16:17] <sil2100> ...and that's what I'll do now
[16:17] <Saviq> sil2100, you could, it's packaging only ;)
[16:17] <sil2100> ...aaaand it's done
[16:17] <sil2100> ;)
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Failed to build (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/compiz)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1754 Job cancelled by saviq!
[16:21] <Saviq> sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1754 building
[16:22] <sil2100> Saviq: thanks
[16:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1754 Preparing packages
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 Successfully built
[16:26] <mzanetti> sil2100, which one?
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss ssweeny, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1745 Failed to build (vivid/location-service, yakkety/location-service). Successfully built (xenial/location-service)
[16:31] <boiko> robru: it would be nice if the icons had hints explaining what they mean in the dashboard page, but I really like the icons, they make the view cleaner
[16:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Preparing packages
[16:31] <Mirv> publish job running for 15min with no new output :S
[16:31] <ltinkl> Saviq, what about the wizardSystemUpdate? I thought this was going to the silo as well :/
[16:31] <sil2100> :|
[16:32] <sil2100> Mirv: too many unity8 merges..?
[16:32] <Mirv> now!
[16:33] <Mirv> I guess so, or LP slow
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 Publishing
[16:36] <robru> Mirv: which one?
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kdub, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1654 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/mir, yakkety/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity-system-compositor, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[16:37] <Saviq> sil2100, Mirv, so this should get us to migrate? we're not forcing finalize?
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- koza, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1696 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1734 Preparing packages
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 yakkety/qtubuntu: Failed to fetch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/qtubuntu_0.63+16.10.20160730-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[16:41] <Mirv> Saviq: yes in theory, I'm just not sure if the GCC6 which just started will break all migration or not
[16:42] <Saviq> oh yay
[16:42] <Saviq> another one :)
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1719 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas). Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/ubuntu-push, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/ubuntu-push, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, y
[16:42] <Mirv> Saviq: but yes at least two days ago excuses page would have been green with this fix..
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1721 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-settings-components)
[16:43] <robru> boiko: I'll try to add tool tips I guess
[16:44] <boiko> robru: that'd be nice, but really low priority I'd say :)
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity-api). Ready to build (xenial/boost1.58, yakkety/boost1.58). Successfully built (vivid/boost1.58, vivid/online-accounts-api, vivid/storage-framework, vivid/unity-api, xenial/online-accounts-api, xenial/storage-framework, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/online-accounts-api, yakkety/storage-framework)
[16:45] <robru> boiko: well if I don't do it now while I'm on this it'll be a loooong time before I come back to it
[16:45] <Mirv> robru: just title="blah" should work
[16:45] <boiko> robru: ok, so do it :D
[16:46] <robru> Mirv: that works for images, I'm not sure that will work for CSS/ Unicode characters
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1744 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8)
[16:47] <Mirv> robru: I think it's fairly universal, just put the character inside span or such and define style. not sure if it's inserted inside css.
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1526 Dependency wait (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- koza, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1748 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:52] <robru> Mirv: that's the trick, the character is inserted by CSS with a virtual ::before selector so there's nowhere to put the title="" attribute really but I'll try a few different things here
[16:53] <robru> Mirv: oh it does work, heh
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-display, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-session, yakkety/indicator-sound). Ready to build (vivid/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-location, yakkety/indicator-location). Successfully built (vivid/hud, vivid/indicator-application, vivid/indicator-bluetooth, vivid/indicator-datetime, vivid/in
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1754 Successfully built
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, yakkety/qtubuntu-gles). U
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 Proposed pocket (yakkety/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtubuntu, yakkety/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity-api, yakkety/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-keyboard, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/
[17:09] <Saviq> sil2100, would you upload the seed +indicator-keyboard to silo 61 whenever ready please
[17:11] <sil2100> Saviq: I have more changes staged for the seeds, if the bugfix takes more time to land than today EOD then I'll release all the non-indicator-keyboard ones to the overlay and the indicator one to the silo
[17:12] <Mirv> robru: cool! yes I was wondering about the case if before or such is used
[17:13] <robru> Mirv: apparently ::before just inserts stuff at the start of the tag, so title="" applied to that tag encompasses the ::before. makes sense
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1734 Destination version missing from changelog
[17:17] <Saviq> sil2100, ack, thanks
[17:23] <robru> boiko: look again. the tickets are now diamonds!
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/apparmor-eas
[17:25] <boiko> robru: nice! :D
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Preparing packages
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1643 QA Signoff: Ready
[17:59] <boiko> robru: any idea why dialer-app and messaging-app show as "Not considered" in yakkety?
[18:00] <robru> boiko: where? Check the YAML
[18:00] <boiko> robru: excuses page for yakkety (silos 10 and 63)
[18:00] <anpok> why does it say diff missing?
[18:00] <anpok> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751
[18:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Failed to build (yakkety/unity). Successfully built (yakkety/compiz)
[18:01] <robru> anpok: because you didn't generate any diffs
[18:02] <anpok> oh there is a diff button
[18:02] <anpok> i guess it isnt orange enough
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 Generating diffs
[18:03] <robru> boiko: it says "invalidated by dependency" then lists the depdencies. what's unclear there?
[18:04] <boiko> robru: well, it is unclear what I have to do to get it fully landed :)
[18:05] <robru> boiko: poke somebody about the qt transition I guess? it looks like there's just one regression holding up that qtbase, might just need a retry or something, I don't know
[18:06] <robru> Mirv: still around? ^^
[18:07] <sil2100> Let me take a quick look
[18:08] <robru> sil2100: seems that one unity8 test is holding up both qtbase and uitk migration, not sure how to fix that though
[18:09] <robru> brb
[18:09] <sil2100> robru: yeah, I re-ran them but not sure if that'll actually help (and succeed)
[18:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1750 Diff missing (vivid/golang-1.6). Failed to build (vivid/nuntium)
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1755 Ready to build (vivid/solve-eds-conflict, xenial/solve-eds-conflict, yakkety/solve-eds-conflict). Successfully built (vivid/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts, xenial/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts, yakkety/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts)
[18:19] <Mirv> robru: sil2100: needs the just published unity8, old versions not enough. please continue poking releasw team on the release channel from where I left :) it will need them most probably, hinting, guiding etc for big bundles to migrate together
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 Successfully built
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1756 Successfully built
[18:39] <robru> boiko: ok so sounds like you need to watch here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#unity8 and then once those tests pass there's a chance everything will just fall into place, unless the boost/gcc6 transitions ruin everything
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx ltinkl, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1575 Proposed pocket (yakkety/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/qtubuntu, yakkety/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity-api, yakkety/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-keyboard, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivi
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Failed to build (yakkety/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/libertine, yakkety/qtubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, yakk
[19:06] <boiko> robru: thanks, I'll wait and see then
[19:07] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1755 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1754 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 yakkety/dbus-cpp: debdiff failed: see log for details
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- anpok, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1751 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 Diff missing (vivid/dbus-cpp). Failed to build (xenial/dbus-cpp, yakkety/dbus-cpp)
[20:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 Preparing packages
[20:10] <robru> boiko: looks like unity8 got stuck, I just pinged #ubuntu-release about it. You might want to join and also plead for help
[20:15] <boiko> robru: thanks for looking into that
[20:16] <robru> You're welcome!
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1690 Merging to trunk
[20:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1707 Merging to trunk
[20:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 Currently building (vivid/dbus-cpp). Failed to build (xenial/dbus-cpp, yakkety/dbus-cpp)
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tvoss, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1757 Failed to build
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[21:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/history-service, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service). Failed to build (vivid/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Needs building (vivid/messaging-app)
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Preparing packages
[22:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1661 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Failed to build (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity8)
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/messaging-app, xenial/telepathy-ofono). Failed to build (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Needs building (xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/telepathy-ofono)
[22:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1476 Dependency wait (yakkety/yade). Failed to build (yakkety/bino, yakkety/ovito, yakkety/sleepyhead, yakkety/tulip, yakkety/vite). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (yakkety/itksnap, yakkety/openscad, yakkety/sdrangelove). Proposed pocket (yakkety/marble, yakkety/okteta). Successfully built (yakkety/goldencheetah, yakkety/libqglviewer, yakkety/mudlet, yakkety/qwtplot3d)
[22:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telepathy-ofono)
[22:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 Successfully built
[23:19] <ToyKeeper> mardy: I set 1562 to ready since it's just the known s390x issue.
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1562 QA Signoff: Ready


[09:49] <Gnomethrower> I love that there's a #ubuntu-1 registered
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[21:13] <caravagio> Hello. Can I update 16.04 to 16.10 Alpha 1?
 caravagio: see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[21:17] <nacc> caravagio: although, based upon https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U%2B1/common-problems, i don't think there's much reason to
[21:18] <nacc> caravagio: although that page may need an update given alpha1 is out
[21:18] <caravagio> nacc: But tests are needed. I can install 16.10 on non-production PC for tests, then what won't do it?
[21:19] <nacc> caravagio: ah ok, to test, that's fair
[21:21] <k1l_> caravagio: so check release prompt as i told you  twice now. then run the upgrade with the developer switch
[21:24] <caravagio> k1l_: Now I see the point. Thanks


[01:37] <cmaloney> id like that
[01:38] <cmaloney> playing with Juice
[01:38] <cmaloney> reset my ohone and decided to give it a go
[01:38] <cmaloney> so far so good
[01:38] <rick_h_> woot
[01:38] <rick_h_> juicessh?
[01:39] <cmaloney> jep
[01:39] <rick_h_> <3 that ssh client. works great on the tablet with a keyboard. Actually done some work that way.
[01:39] <rick_h_> heh
[01:40] <cmaloney> well the sharing the public key via dropbox sold it
[01:40] <rick_h_> ah nice
[01:40] <cmaloney> the other thing is having a relatively full keyboard.
[01:40] <rick_h_> yea, I like the ctrl-alt keys up on the screen
[01:40] <rick_h_> I use it for irc and can 'alt-4' for changing channels
[01:41] <cmaloney> yeah, it's definitely a keeper
[01:52] <rick_h_> damn this GSoC thing is exhausting but exciting
[01:52] <rick_h_> we're running out of bugs to fix hah
[01:52] <rick_h_> and they're starting to get into the cool work now
[01:52] <rick_h_> doing really useful stuff
[01:52] <cmaloney> nice!
[01:53] <rick_h_> we'll have a user stats chart soon and the delete all branch is almost ready to land to fix that issue of importing private stuff on accident
[01:53] <rick_h_> all from students doing some great stuff. With tests, and documentation
[01:55] <rick_h_> I've got 2,899 bookmarks. https://bmark.us/api/v1/admin/stats/bmarkcount?api_key=
[01:55] <cmaloney> That's brilliant
[01:55] <rick_h_> stick your api_key at the end to see
[01:55] <cmaloney> I'd love to know why we're getting mdlug stuff on the MUG mailing list.
[01:56] <rick_h_> I keep wanting to say smoething
[01:56] <rick_h_> mug is not a shared group and I've got no interest in seeing this stuff
[01:56] <rick_h_> honestly, I've buried most mug mail because of it
[01:57] <rick_h_> sorry, with that url you have to change the username as well :/
[01:59] <cmaloney> I just sent a note to the list.
[02:21] <cmaloney> oh, nice on the tablet
[02:26] <rick_h_> thanks for the email
[02:26] <widox> rick_h_: I love the pull request summary for #326
[02:26] <widox> Functions in place
[02:26] <widox> Comment added
[02:26] <rick_h_> lol
[02:26] <widox> etc
[02:26] <widox> lol
[02:27] <rick_h_> yea, rebased it down for him. It took some mentoring
[02:27] <widox> oh, and "Fixing things"
[02:27] <rick_h_> great one
[02:27] <widox> good stuff
[02:27] <rick_h_> https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/commit/a24ec64d42dd2e2fdba6af43eb297bd38b4a9bfc was the one commit that actually hit
[02:28] <widox> a pretty beefy one still
[02:29] <rick_h_> yea, it's good stuff. He worked hard across several days to put it all up together.
[02:29] <rick_h_> he's at the top of the student list so far
[02:30] <widox> cool
[02:30] <widox> I can't keep track of what's going on in #bookie
[02:30] <rick_h_> heh, me either :P
[02:30] <widox> everytime I peek in there the scrollback is crazy
[02:30] <rick_h_> and it's my job
[02:30] <widox> hah
[02:30] <rick_h_> I feel bad because names have dropped off. I can't keep track of who did what
[02:31] <rick_h_> hmm, wtf why did it work for me and that request failed
[02:31] <widox> rick_h_: I broke bmark.us
[02:31] <rick_h_> and my patience with the lesser students is strained
[02:31] <rick_h_> widox: yea, see that.
[02:32] <rick_h_> wonder why it worked for me but not you
[02:32] <widox> rick_h_: I can totally see that
[02:32] <rick_h_> ah, I didn't supply dates
[02:32] <widox> rick_h_: if I leave off the start_date its ok
[02:32] <rick_h_> bah, ok well branch landed, first bug
[02:32] <rick_h_> He'll have work to do :)
[02:32] <widox> rick_h_: I'll file a bug
[02:33] <rick_h_> widox: cool thanks. THen I don't have to :)
[02:34] <rick_h_> still, good stuff. It'll be cool to start to add some user stats and such.
[02:34] <cmaloney> 1544 bookmarks.
[02:35] <rick_h_> woot
[02:46] <widox> 1287 here
[04:02] <mrgoodcat> hello
[12:07] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:07] <rick_h_> morning
[12:08] <cmaloney> Going to go get my blood drawn this morning so enjoying my morning glass of water.
[12:11] <rick_h_> wheee
[13:45] <brousch> rick_h_ is going to have his own Indian outsourcing army by the end of GSoC
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:45] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha
[13:45] <rick_h_> bookie takes over the world...
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> you're going to become the delicious of india
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> that would actually be really awesome
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> sell to google. retire to beach.
[13:46] <brousch> In India
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> of course. where you have attained celebrity status
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> cameo appearance in bollywood films
[13:47] <brousch> Grow 2 extra arms from the pollution
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> now you're a god
[14:19] <brousch> cmaloney: I find myself tucking the back of my ankles under the ball today to give me a more chair-like perch
[14:31] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, but that's bad
[14:31] <rick_h_> I have a foot stool thing to help me stop that
[14:31] <rick_h_> it's not good to do the tucking, should have the feet square in front of you
[14:44] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah, some days I tuck as well for a little more support.
[14:44] <cmaloney> but like rick_h_ says, taht's not the way of it.
[14:57] <cmaloney> This is going to get ugly: Windows XP still has 29% marketshare.
[14:59] <brousch> Where are the worldwide Ubuntu Installfests?
[14:59] <brousch> Shuttleworth should be at half-chub promoting such a thing
[15:08] <cmaloney> Sometimes I wish websites would update more often
[15:08] <cmaloney> Just signed up for a mailing list so I could "win" a copy of the Yes remastered albums (1967-1987)
[15:08] <cmaloney> Which would be awesome
[15:08] <cmaloney> They let me know they'll announce the winners in December.
[15:09] <cmaloney> Something tells me that's not Dec 2014.
[15:10] <brousch> Website Copyright 1998
[15:11] <cmaloney> brousch: No, it's not that bad.
[15:12] <brousch> Created with FrontPage 97
[15:22] <cmaloney> jcastro: wb. :)
[15:22] <jcastro> sorry, this wasn't in my autojoin when I did a reinstall
[15:23] <cmaloney> We might forgive you. :)
[15:23] <rick_h_> not likely :P
[15:23] <jrwren> jcastro: !!! zomg I missed you so much!
[15:24] <jrwren> jcastro: i went to fanzoo on wednesday, and AGAIN jeff asked about you.
[15:24] <jrwren> I didn't know you were out of nation. that would have been a good excuse.
[15:30] <rick_h_> gah, teenage girls at the coffee shop actually telling each other "Oh I just did xxx ell-oh-ell"
[15:30] <rick_h_> saying out lol in speach is strange
[15:30] <jcastro> hah
[15:30] <rick_h_> and I'm an old old man
[15:30] <jcastro> or you could just, I dunno, laugh  out loud for real
[15:31] <jrwren> i only say LOLZ outloud sarcastically
[15:32] <cmaloney> I only guffaw uproariously.
[15:33] <rick_h_> guffaw, I wonder if any of them would recognize that word
[15:34] <brousch> I have heard people say "haxor"
[15:34] <cmaloney> Only one way to find out. :)
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> I've said "haxor" out loud, but only ironically, if that helps
[16:01] <jrwren> anyone know why isc-bind's host links to libxml2?
[16:13] <rick_h_> I had to do a double take at first: http://blog.trello.com/trello-for-kindle-is-here/
[16:13] <rick_h_> "wtf why would I want to trello from my kindle"
[16:13] <brousch> Why wouldn't you?
[16:18] <rick_h_> because I'm not sure e-ink support drag and drop :P
[16:19] <rick_h_> I don't think of kindles as tablets, just e-ink readers
[16:20] <brousch> Ah, I think of them as slightly wonky Android tablets
[20:06] <mrgoodcat> did CHC start early last week?
[20:07] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yep
[20:07] <rick_h_> last one of the month starts at 7pm
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> ah
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> why is that?
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> just to confuse me?
[20:07] <rick_h_> pretty much
[20:07] <rick_h_> because it's nice once a month to have extra hacking time
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> got it. because i showed up early by chance and you all beat me there
[20:10] <rick_h_> hah, we'll never let you get there first!
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> i picked up "learning python the hard way - second edition"
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> anybody have any experience with that particular book?
[20:13] <dzho> this is one of the zed shaw things, right?
[20:16] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's the one
[20:17] <cmaloney> I leafed through it
[20:17] <cmaloney> Looked OK, but a little basic
[20:17] <cmaloney> but for someoene who is motivated it should be OK
[20:17] <jrwren> IIRC its a good book.
[20:18] <jrwren> used to be free online.
[20:18] <jrwren> its only tip of the iceberg python
[20:18] <jrwren> but its a very solid tip and foundation :)
[20:18] <jrwren> mixing metaphors sucks
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure i like it so far
[20:23] <mrgoodcat> i think it assumes you've never programmed before
[20:24] <mrgoodcat> and yes it is zed shaw
[20:25] <jrwren> he wrote it for never programmed before people.
[20:25] <jrwren> if you have programmed before, you don't need a python book.
[20:25] <rick_h_> +1
[20:25] <jrwren> you need pep8 and pyflakes
[20:25] <jrwren> and some code reviews
[20:25] <rick_h_> no python book will really get you into python that well
[20:25] <rick_h_> I went through a ton of them
[20:25] <jrwren> as did I
[20:25] <jrwren> and most of them suck.
[20:25] <jrwren> at best, you find one that doesn't suck
[20:25] <jrwren> but none are good
[20:25] <rick_h_> python is very much a 'JFDI' language
[20:25] <jrwren> ^^^
[20:26] <rick_h_> and use others to get feedback on the 'better' ways to do things
[20:26] <jrwren> what python really needs is an 'Effective Python'
[20:26] <rick_h_> yea, there have been a couple tries. advanced python, etc
[20:26] <rick_h_> but none of them beta witing and reviweing code for the same time it'd take you to read the book
[20:26] <rick_h_> beat vs beta doh
[20:27] <jrwren> yup.
[20:27] <jrwren> its also confused by differing values.
[20:27] <jrwren> if you are writing something to be widely used, you might want to target many python versions.
[20:27] <jrwren> which raises a whole anotehr bowl of concerns.
[20:27] <jrwren> if you are like me, you really only care about 2.7, with the fact that you'll move to 3.4 or 3.4+ someday in the back of your head.
[20:29] <mrgoodcat> well since i'm starting now doesn't it make sense to begin with 3?
[20:29] <mrgoodcat> or is 2.7 such an industry standard that i absolutely must learn it?
[20:29] <rick_h_> start with 3
[20:29] <rick_h_> you can get close enough with 2.7 and 3.3 or whatever
[20:30] <rick_h_> but that's my my opinion
[20:30] <rick_h_> as someone still writing py2 :/
[20:30] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:30] <mrgoodcat> how different is it?
[20:30] <mrgoodcat> will _most_ py2 code run fine in py3 and vice versa?
[20:31] <rick_h_> from 2.7, it's close. But you have to know the things to do to make it run in both
[20:31] <mrgoodcat> well then i'm just going to ignore 2 for now
[20:32] <jrwren> i agree, start with 3.3, adopt 3.4 as soon as it is released.
[20:32] <jrwren> only worry about 2.x if you have to.
[20:32] <jrwren> the rules to port code to 2.7 is pretty easy.
[20:33] <jrwren> going older than 2.7 gets more sketchy, but given 2.6 is unsupported, you should never have to worry about it
[20:33] <jrwren> and you likely won't have to ever deal with 2.7
[20:33] <rick_h_> yea, it's actually a good time to get into python
[20:33] <jrwren> i just live in perptual legacy.
[20:33] <rick_h_> the last couple of years have been ugh
[20:34] <jrwren> its a GREAT time.
[20:34] <jrwren> I would have hated python if I came in in the 2.4 & 2.5 times.
[20:34] <jrwren> the garbage collection was stupid and crap.
[20:34] <jrwren> at least now it makes sense.
[20:35] <jrwren> when 3.4 comes out with async its going to still  be one of the best languages EVER!
[20:36] <rick_h_> yea, definitely, though I'm more excited when the libraries move to using async
[20:37] <jrwren> same.
[20:38] <jrwren> requests using async would be a big deal.
[20:38] <jrwren> urllib too.
[20:38] <rick_h_> yes!
[20:38] <jrwren> its something that was great that .net did when C# got it.
[21:06] <mrgoodcat> well i'll see you at chc. time for me to go
[21:07] <rick_h_> yea, with Bookie I care about urllib and wish it was less painful. Deal in urls a lot
[21:07] <rick_h_> ouch, someone wit hover 4k bookmarks just imported. go celery go
[21:08] <rick_h_> damn, too many keyboards I can't line up my spaces on any of them today
[21:08] <rick_h_> with over
[21:08] <mrgoodcat> does urllib open urls or parse them?
[21:08] <rick_h_> opens/fetches content
[21:08] <rick_h_> parsing is breadability
[21:08] <mrgoodcat> so its basically curl for python
[21:08] <rick_h_> oh, you mean parse the url into parts?
[21:09] <jrwren> another strange dynamic link of the day. why does nginx link to libfreetypoe and libpng12 ?
[21:09] <rick_h_> urllib does some of that, there's different things for it. quote_qs and url_parse can be in odd places. I always have to look them up
[21:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: it's stats/reporting page? Doesn't nginx have a states control page available?
[21:09] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: no, curl for python is curl for python, aka pycurl. I use that a lot :)
[21:10] <jrwren> rick_h_: good point.
[21:10] <mrgoodcat> then why use urllib?
[21:10] <rick_h_> because pycurl is an external dep, needs to be compiled, doesn't work on all systems, etc
[21:10] <jrwren> because its built in. pycurl is external module
[21:12] <mrgoodcat> then why would you use pycurl?
[21:12] <mrgoodcat> it must exist for a reason
[21:12] <rick_h_> because it's curl, it's awesome. It supports every damn part of http and more you can want
[21:12] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13775892/pause-and-resume-downloading-with-pycurl
[21:17] <jrwren> yup.
[21:17] <jrwren> multicurl.
[21:17] <jrwren> same reasons you might link to libcurl in a C program v. using a socket and writing GET yourself.
[21:17] <jrwren> cookie handling, ssl auth handling, pycurl does it all :)
[21:18] <jrwren> if you are just going 1 url get, pycurl is likely overkill.
[21:19] <jrwren> if you are doing 1000, 1/4 of which to ssl client certificate auth, pycurl really shines :p