[01:43] <rlameiro> dvenable: its not frebob anymore
[01:44] <rlameiro> its firewire
[17:30] <rvchila> buenas tardes / good afternoon


[06:13] <rick_> 請問 linux 如果沒有 rtc, 會有什麼問題嗎 ?
[20:40] <danny> anyone here speaking chinese?
[20:41] <danny> I guess no??????


[00:02] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: VLC 3.0.10 Adds SMB2/3 Support, Improved Chromecast Audio @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=175682 (by Joey Sneddon)
[12:19] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Go for ROS @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/go-for-ros
[12:49] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Josh Powers: QEMU & libvirt enhancements in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS @ https://powersj.io/post/ubuntu-focal-qemu-enhancements/
[16:44] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: How to set up TurtleBot3 in minutes with snaps (1/2) @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-set-up-turtlebot3-in-minutes-with-snaps
[17:56] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: RetroPie 4.6 Officially Launched with Support for Raspberry Pi 4 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/retropie-4-6-officially-launched-with-support-for-raspberry-pi-4-529841.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[18:09] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Fix for GNOME 3.36 Stuttering Bug in the Works @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/fix-for-gnome-3-36-stuttering-bug-in-the-works-529842.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[22:51] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Folder Colors’ Now Works with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and the Yaru Icon Set @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=175888 (by Joey Sneddon)


[00:21] <phillw> Hi guys, has splash screen removed from server?
[03:25] <xnox> phillw: are you using LUKS+LVM? =)
[03:27] <phillw> xnox: I have a dedicated server running under CentOS, it is LVM for the hard drive, but I have not used LUKS on a VM within it.
[03:28] <xnox> phillw: interesting.
[03:28] <xnox> phillw: we have this bug 1030094
[03:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1030094 in plymouth "LVM encrypted, screen turned off after grub" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030094
[03:29] <xnox> phillw: which despite having luks sounds similarish.
[03:30] <phillw> xnox: my problem was / is that server install fails at splash screen.... you know.... the 4 dots bit.... As to why the heck that is on a server boot...pass. I cannot do more testing until that issue is resolved :(
[03:31] <xnox> phillw: ah that... well... i do not know, sorry. #ubuntu-server?
[03:32] <phillw> The dedicated server is a remote one. I can ssh -X into it, I can drop in via virt-manager; but I cannot get 12.10 to start up (12.04 runs fine).
[07:44] <njin> nallo, is cdimage down ?
[07:44] <njin> nallo/hallo
[16:15] <phillw> hi guys, is the server transfer done?
[16:16] <Laney> no, but parts are
[16:16] <Laney> what are you interested in?
[16:23] <phillw> Laney: zsync is timing out with [phillw@piglet ~]$ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120819/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:23] <phillw> cdimage.ubuntu.com: Connection timed out
[16:23] <phillw> failed on url http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120819/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:23] <phillw> could not read control file from URL http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120819/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:23] <phillw> trying http gives.. Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[16:24] <stgraber> cdimage works from here
[16:25] <phillw> stgraber: I'm just following up an email on QA, I have the same issue. any ideas?
[16:25] <tumbleweed> it was down until fairly recently (according to my complaining cron mail)
[16:25] <tumbleweed> fairly recently being 3 hours ago or so
[16:26] <phillw> fairly recent being two minutes ago.
[16:37] <phillw> OK, so how long will the relocation take?  When will the servers be back on track?
[16:38] <phillw> two minutes ago on email.
[16:38] <phillw> sorry guys, you are the only channel I can ask on. It is from QA, but you look after the servers!
[16:45] <phillw> stgraber: can you check grabbing a couple of iso images from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[16:46] <phillw> I've tried a couple at random and they are a fail.
[16:49] <tumbleweed> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20120819/quantal-server-amd64.iso.zsync works fine for me
[16:50] <phillw> tumbleweed: can you try http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20120819/quantal-alternate-i386.iso&usg=AFQjCNEBoafSRvng93U55R6hOSG_opiMbA
[16:50] <phillw> oops, long name, let me track it back!
[16:50] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/21490/downloads
[16:51] <stgraber> downloads fine here
[16:51]  * tumbleweed sees no trobule either
[16:52] <phillw> Hmm, any ideas why more than one person cannot use them?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> did the machine change IP address?
[16:53]  * tumbleweed sees a 10 minute TTL on the DNS record, so assuming it wasn't recently lowered, that shouldn't be much of an issue...
[16:53] <phillw> 'thinks' - clear cache from browser would help, but at CLI zsync it is a bit more problemitcle.
[16:57] <phillw> tumbleweed: [phillw@piglet ~]$ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20120819/quantal-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:57] <phillw> cdimage.ubuntu.com: Connection timed out
[16:57] <phillw> failed on url http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20120819/quantal-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:57] <phillw> could not read control file from URL http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20120819/quantal-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[16:58] <phillw> so, I cannot 'see' cdimage.ubuntu.com
[16:58] <tumbleweed> phillw: getent hosts cdimage.ubuntu.com
[16:59] <phillw> tumbleweed: bash: getents: command not found
[16:59] <tumbleweed> singular
[17:00] <phillw>  getent cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:00] <phillw> Unknown database: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:00] <phillw> Try `getent --help' or `getent --usage' for more information.
[17:00] <tumbleweed> left out hosts ):
[17:00] <phillw> don't you hate a n00bie :P
[17:01] <phillw> yup, that worked.
[17:01] <phillw> Let me go tell the people on ubuntu QA mailing list of the fix. but, it is a fairly major bug!
[17:02] <tumbleweed> that wasn't a "fix" just an attempt to understand what your problem is
[17:02] <tumbleweed> but debugging this over IRC is not likely to be particularly profitable
[17:03] <phillw> tumbleweed: no, it was a fix... As it worked perfectly for QA people until recently, then something quite fundamental changed.
[17:03] <micahg> umm...a datacenter move perhaps
[17:04] <tumbleweed> :)
[17:04] <phillw> micahg: indeed, which has happened this weekend. Still, better to alert people early before the channels melt down with bug reports :)
[17:11] <phillw> tumbleweed: micahg is this okay to send?
[17:11] <phillw> Hi guys and gals,
[17:11] <phillw> over the weekend the "behind the scenes" team were busy. You may find that you cannot upload / zsync etc. If this happens please issue
[17:11] <phillw> getent hosts cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:11] <phillw> It will refresh your local cache for cdimage area.
[17:11] <phillw> Regards,
[17:11] <phillw> Phill.
[17:12] <micahg> getent just queries a DB...
[17:13] <phillw> micahg: So for us lesser mortals, does it work? It did for me.
[17:13] <elmo> no it won't "work"
[17:14] <elmo> cdimage is behind a DNS round robin rotation that only returns 1 answer at a time
[17:14] <phillw> elmo: it did for me.
[17:14] <tumbleweed> phillw: getent does nothing, I just wanted to see what the output was
[17:14] <elmo> phillw: no, it didn't
[17:14] <elmo> phillw: all that happened is you happened to change to the working server
[17:14] <elmo> completely unrelated to your getent command
[17:14] <micahg> elmo: I would think with the TTL, by now, any old entries should've been refreshed, right?
[17:14] <elmo> micahg: it's not an old entries problem
[17:14] <elmo> or related to the DC move
[17:14] <elmo> one of the servers is just dead
[17:14] <micahg> orly?  ok
[17:15] <elmo> I'll stab it in the face
[17:15] <micahg> elmo: thanks
[17:16] <elmo> (well, I mean the DC made it more visible, cdimage is running at reduced capacity, so a dead server is more obvious - but it's not the root cause)
[17:16] <tumbleweed> elmo: out of interest, why return only 1 answer at a time? (it makes it entirely non-obvious that there's round-robbining behind the scenes)
[17:16] <phillw> I'll go and have a ciggie while you guys work out an official answer for the QA people which is guaranteed to work.
[17:16] <elmo> tumbleweed: because Microsoft broke DNS
[17:17] <tumbleweed> heh
[17:17] <nigelb> nice
[17:17] <elmo> tumbleweed: given N answers in a RR set, Microsoft (and glibc for a time, but we got that fixed at least in Debian/Ubuntu) will return the "closest" one, which in IPv4 terms is meaningless
[17:17] <tumbleweed> ah, that's fairly crazy
[17:18] <elmo> we only do  it for services that are likely to be used by non-Ubuntu users
[17:18] <elmo> so, e.g. archive.u.c does more traditional RR
[17:19] <elmo> goldenapple (the problematic server) is backup, FWIW
[17:19] <njin> not working at all
[17:19] <njin> from this morning
[17:19] <elmo> njin: pardon?
[17:19] <njin> cdimage is down
[17:19] <elmo> njin: as I said, it just came back up
[17:20] <njin> ok
[17:22] <njin> is back
[17:23] <phillw> elmo: so the answer to the email list is "It is now working okay"?
[17:23] <elmo> phillw: sure, if you like - it should be and is from my testing
[17:24] <phillw> elmo: thanks :)
[17:33] <phillw> elmo: is this okay to release?
[17:33] <phillw> Hi guys and gals,
[17:33] <phillw> over the weekend the "behind the scenes" team were busy. You may have found that you could not upload / zsync etc.
[17:33] <phillw> Moving servers is not for the faint of heart, I still have the scars.
[17:33] <phillw> Thank you to all those who did the server transfer to enable ubuntu testing and dev team to be able to take up the higher work load on.
[17:33] <phillw> Regards,
[17:33] <phillw> Phill.
[17:49]  * micahg invites phillw to use a pastebin next time
[17:50] <phillw> micahg: it wasn't that much of paste :P
[17:54] <micahg> phillw: 6 lines belongs in a paste
[17:56] <phillw> micahg: I consider myself told told off, I'll use paste in future. sorry :(
[17:56] <micahg> phillw: thanks :)
[22:59] <phillw> hi, any people around for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21391/downloads
[22:59] <phillw> the hhtp is pointing to a zsync.
[23:00] <xnox> stgraber: see the message from phillw ^^^^
[23:00] <phillw> I've not checked others, I've just had a poke via email over it
[23:01] <phillw> Download links for Ubuntu Alternate amd64
[23:01] <phillw>  seems okay
[23:04] <phillw> xnox: hiyas, sorry to be once again the bringer of bad news. C'est la vie.
[23:05] <phillw> I'll be happy when -testing channel wakes up after the weekend :)


[20:11] <airurando> I was at the community roundtable session at UDS today where they discussed the Ubuntu Advocacy Kit
[20:12] <airurando> I tried to install the ppa and subsequent uak package but ran into trouble
[20:12] <czajkowski> airurando: oh what kind
[20:13] <airurando> followed the three step instructions here
[20:13] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Advocacy%20Kit%20(UAK)/Installing
[20:13] <airurando> step one and two went fine
[20:13] <airurando> but with step three I got
[20:13] <czajkowski> ok let me try
[20:14] <czajkowski> airurando: what version of Ubuntu are you running ?
[20:14] <airurando> E: unable to locate package UAK
[20:14] <airurando> 12.04
[20:14] <airurando> steady eddie me :-)
[20:15] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:15] <airurando> says it should work on 12.04
[20:15] <czajkowski> so not even a raring issue
[20:15] <airurando> no
[20:15] <czajkowski> hmm
[20:15] <czajkowski> let me go and see whats what with the ppa
[20:16] <airurando> cheers
[20:19] <czajkowski> airurando: trying to add it manually now
[20:19] <czajkowski> 2 icks
[20:24] <airurando> the steps I took were as follows:
[20:24] <czajkowski> hmm that faiiled also
[20:24] <czajkowski> airurando: I'll poke daniel in the mornig
[20:24] <czajkowski> and see what's what
[20:24] <airurando> ah cool
[20:24] <czajkowski> unless you want a file a bug
[20:24] <czajkowski> most odd
[20:24] <airurando> not just me so
[20:24] <airurando> :-)
[20:25] <airurando> working tomorrow
[20:25] <airurando> and Friday
[20:25] <airurando> Will try again at the weekend
[20:25] <czajkowski> cool
[20:25] <czajkowski> hows the leg doing ?
[20:25] <airurando> czajkowski:
[20:25] <airurando> leg coming along nicely
[20:25] <airurando> but
[20:26] <airurando> my son Oisin sustained a fracture to his left humerus at football training last Friday
[20:26] <airurando> Jackie is fit to kill both of us :-)
[20:26] <airurando> hilarious me on crutch brining Oising with sling into school
[20:27] <czajkowski> LOL
[20:27] <czajkowski> pricelss
[20:27] <airurando> absolutely
[20:27] <airurando> thanks again czajkowski


[00:21]  * diddledan blames the rocks for pulling us out
[00:21] <diddledan> still a terrible contraception technique
[00:22] <daftykins> works for me (:
[00:22] <daftykins> ah, the band London Grammar are ace
[00:22] <diddledan> not heard them
[00:22] <daftykins> only just recently been trying out their new album :)
[00:23]  * diddledan got boobtube red while in the colonies
[00:23] <diddledan> no more adverts!
[00:23] <daftykins> allow me to fix that - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQkkIbZNi-c
[00:24] <diddledan> mmm, nice
[02:44] <LernerClip> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DARtGHyWAAE2vsB.jpg
[02:46]  * daftykins nudges diddledan
[02:46] <daftykins> you click it!
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:11] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning
[12:10] <SaberStolly> Hello I am on me hols.
[14:25] <diplo> Anyone here dealing with GDPR ?
[14:51] <foobarry> good luck
[14:55] <SuperMatt> gdpr?
[14:56] <SuperMatt> global dog poo resurgence?
[14:56] <diplo> General data protection regulation
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's the new eu data rules and regs
[14:57] <SuperMatt> ah right
[14:57] <SuperMatt> I'm not having to deal with it, but it doesn't mean that I won't
[14:57] <diplo> Thanks foobarry - getting asked by customers a lot, my bosses are as ever sitting on the fence
[14:57] <SuperMatt> chances are my company is already compliant by dint of being paranoid
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> ie. for the love of turing, encrypt your data...
[14:57] <diplo> ENISA guidelines are what we need to follow apparently
[15:38] <diddledan> for the devs, a valentines joke: https://twitter.com/invalidname/status/963798968437280768
[16:06] <foobarry> its about the power to remove your data which is tricky
[16:06] <foobarry> e.g. a student asked for records deleted. how is that achieved?
[16:06] <foobarry> if they are in module lists, exam results, databases, everywhere
[16:07] <foobarry> 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8001::17)]
[16:07] <foobarry> sigh
[16:08] <diplo> Only where relevant foobarry - if it's needed to be kept for 'reasons' so for us, invoices need to be kept for 7 years or 6 or whatever, we don't have to delete those invoices because by law we need to keep them
[16:08] <diplo> so if you have similar things to keep students records for a period of timeBut from my hour of studying this so far, a lot of it is bloody hazy!
[16:10] <foobarry> good thing its not my job to fix
[16:13] <diplo> Yeah, not sure who's it is in our office
[16:13] <diplo> :/


[03:31] <zlmao> shang: I'm do demo at user side. My Maas shows that depolying is failed.
[03:32] <zlmao> shang: It is "failed deployment". The same for the physical node too.
[03:33] <zlmao> Sorry. I should switch to other channel for it.
[17:34] <cprofitt> hello -- have a strange issue on my 15.04 and not sure how to report the bug
[17:34] <cprofitt> when I empty trash I got another file window opening...
[17:34] <wxl> cprofitt: i'd report it against the file manager.
[17:35] <cprofitt> wxl: thanks.
[17:35] <wxl> np cprofitt
[17:36] <cprofitt> wxl that is just called files now; correct?
[17:36] <wxl> cprofitt: yikes i'm not sure being a mostly lubuntu user
[17:38] <cprofitt> eh, looking like the package is still nautilus
[17:58] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1445595
[17:58] <cprofitt> if anyone would like to triage


[01:07] <sobukus> Hey, folks... I am wondering where I should put the flames (eh... helpful bug reports;-) about the ubuntu studio lucid beta
[01:07] <sobukus> I tried an install and am still struggling to get the system working.
[01:08] <sobukus> Hints about how to get USB GSM/3G modem dialup would be appreciated, too (that used to work out of the box with plain ubuntu 9.10)
[01:15]  * sobukus is not sure if this should go to some mailing list, generic launchpad tracker... special tracker...
[01:15] <holstein> hey there sobukus
[01:15] <sobukus> hey
[01:16] <holstein> sounds like your going through it
[01:16] <sobukus> it?
[01:16] <holstein> trouble
[01:16] <holstein> :?
[01:16] <holstein> :/
[01:16] <sobukus> oh, of course
[01:16] <holstein> unfortunaly, im still running karmic
[01:16] <holstein> on my studio box
[01:17] <holstein> I TEND to run a seperate machine
[01:17] <holstein> for the audio produtions
[01:17] <sobukus> well, I wanted to try some "standard" distro on the box, so that there is a remote chance that my band isn't freaked out by me hacking away in scary terminal windows all the time
[01:17] <holstein> OR a shared home set-up
[01:17] <holstein> OR a dual-boot
[01:17] <holstein> lol
[01:17] <holstein> hmm
[01:17] <sobukus> the machine is specifically for that purpose, there in the practice room
[01:18] <holstein> the mailing list is rather active
[01:18] <holstein> for ubuntustudio
[01:18] <sobukus> -devel? -users?
[01:18] <holstein> both
[01:18] <holstein> you can join both AFAIK
[01:18] <sobukus> thing is ... perhaps you can help me there ... is it normal that after an install, I got no network manager?
[01:19] <holstein> OH yeah
[01:19] <holstein> its not in ubuntustudio
[01:19] <sobukus> reason?
[01:19] <holstein> OR it wasnt in karmics studio
[01:19] <holstein> im not positive
[01:19] <holstein> BUT
[01:19]  * sobukus notes that it is on the DVD
[01:19] <holstein> im told NM can cause issues with the RT kernel
[01:20] <holstein> im running it
[01:20] <holstein> i did a vanilla install
[01:20] <sobukus> Hm, so networking is supposed to work using the debian-like /etc/network/interfaces ?
[01:20] <holstein> and added studio meta-packages
[01:20] <holstein> and i havent had any problems yet running NM
[01:20] <holstein> sobukus: AFAIK
[01:20] <holstein> i havent really tried under ubuntustudio
[01:21] <holstein> BUT it should be the same
[01:21] <holstein> and i got a lucid-server install
[01:21] <sobukus> hm, so maybe they left out the PPP stuff in studio, too
[01:21] <holstein> and it seemed to be the same
[01:21] <holstein> sobukus: possible
[01:21] <holstein> i dont think getting ubuntustudio online is a major concern
[01:21] <sobukus> I installed the manager plus provider info using dpkg (synaptic doesnt work properly with the dvd:-/) ... but it doesn't find the modem
[01:22] <holstein> OH
[01:22] <sobukus> while the driver is loaded in the kernel (serial port is created)
[01:22] <holstein> the USB one?
[01:22] <sobukus> yes
[01:22] <sobukus> huawei
[01:22] <holstein> hehe
[01:22] <sobukus> option modile
[01:22] <sobukus> module
[01:22] <holstein> i havent had the opportunity to use one of those yet either
[01:22] <sobukus> perhaps it would magically work when I install ppp packages
[01:22] <holstein> where are you?
[01:22] <sobukus> germany
[01:22] <holstein> you could try a Loco channel
[01:23] <sobukus> ?
[01:23] <sobukus> what's that
[01:23] <holstein> #ubuntu-de
[01:23] <holstein> from...
[01:23] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[01:23] <sobukus> ah
[01:24] <holstein> its your local ubuntu team
[01:24] <sobukus> well, I don't assume that huawei USB modems are special to germany
[01:24] <holstein> easier than trying to get a word in over at #ubuntu
[01:24] <sobukus> but you info on studio cutting away network manager on purpose is already valuable
[01:25] <sobukus> not that I like it for personal use, but my idea was to go to ubuntu on the studio to show off that linux can be "easy"
[01:25] <holstein> lol
[01:25] <holstein> it can
[01:25] <sobukus> just click on flashy buttons, things happen automatically ...
[01:25] <holstein> BUT...
[01:25] <sobukus> so they stop whining to install windows
[01:26]  * sobukus waits for the but
[01:26] <holstein> i still research hardware purchases
[01:26] <holstein> and ask a lot of questions before buying things
[01:26] <Blank__> most people don't
[01:26] <holstein> hey Blank__
[01:26] <Blank__> 'elo
[01:27] <sobukus> the hardware should work... only thing is that ubuntu has annoying behaviour on SCSI systems
[01:27] <sobukus> I need massive rootdelay to make it find the root drive
[01:27] <holstein> Blank__: you know about USB GSM/3G modems?
[01:27] <holstein> dialup?
[01:28] <sobukus> I found that back then when building the studio box and ditched ubuntu as option, went for rather custom, source-based system
[01:28] <holstein> i tried to set up dialup on ubuntu a while back
[01:28] <holstein> and i ran into a hardware set-up issue
[01:28] <holstein> and gave up
[01:28] <sobukus> thing is, on standard ubuntu everything is just there
[01:28] <holstein> !vanilla
[01:29] <holstein> sobukus: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy
[01:29] <sobukus> of course, I don't claim that it's there on lucid, I tried only 9.10 recently
[01:29] <holstein> for the future
[01:30] <holstein> you could try a lucid live CD
[01:30] <sobukus> yeah
[01:30] <holstein> and confirm if its a lucid, or a lucidstudio issue
[01:30] <sobukus> live CD should show if the network stuff at least works
[01:30]  * sobukus notes that it really should be lucid because of nasty old version of ardour2 in 9.10
[01:31] <Blank__> holstein, nope :(
[01:31] <sobukus> yeah, gonna burn a live cd
[01:32] <sobukus> though I still hope to the the current install up to shape... or at least utilize the studio DVD for packages because ... well, 3G uplink is not very thick when you don't have the best connection
[01:33] <sobukus> holstein: and  I'll try to report to the -users list about the issues (I assume the boot manager install is just confused about the SCSI setup ... people don't expect real SCSI nowadays)
[01:33] <holstein> sobukus: good idea
[01:34] <holstein> i think the devs would appreciate that kind of info
[01:35]  * holstein gotta run
[01:35] <holstein> BBL
[01:38] <sobukus> have fun ... and good night
[01:43] <ScottL> sobukus,   this is a more expansive article on upgrading from plain, vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu studio  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[03:39] <Zenker> heay check out my ubuntustudio background, the colors are a lil depressing because of the jpg n all, if u like gimme your email and ure screen rez and ill render one that'll fit your screen perfectly :)
[03:39] <Zenker> http://www.thepicturebin.com/images/Zelozelos/psdubuntu1.jpg
[12:18] <rlameiro> good morning
[13:42] <YAYBREAD> Does this distro have pretty decent apps for beginning guitarists??
[15:27] <holstein> YAYBREAD: you still around?
[15:44] <floating> hello... does anyone here have a problem with ubuntustudio 9.10 and mp3 playback?
[15:46] <holstein> hey there floating
[15:46] <floating> hello
[15:46] <holstein> floating: did you install an mp3 codec?
[15:46] <floating> yeah, it plays
[15:46] <holstein> OH
[15:46] <holstein> just jittery or something?
[15:46] <floating> but after ~20 minutes it hangs
[15:47] <holstein> i was working on some tracks last nite
[15:47] <holstein> i exported wav's from ardour
[15:47] <holstein> using jack
[15:47] <floating> then I restart either rythmbox or audacious it it's back
[15:47] <holstein> everything was great
[15:47] <holstein> and then i converted them to mp3
[15:47] <holstein> shutdown jack
[15:48] <holstein> and tried playing both the mp3's and wav's
[15:48] <holstein> in VLC and other apps
[15:48] <holstein> and the all took a while to get started
[15:48] <holstein> kinda jittery
[15:48] <holstein> pops and clicks
[15:48]  * holstein not really sure why
[15:48] <floating> no, mine starts fine, so not jittery, just halfway through an album it hangs...
[15:49] <holstein> theres a guy in my ubuntuLOCO channel
[15:49] <floating> I'm hoping it's a 9.10 only issue
[15:49] <holstein> hes got the same issue
[15:49] <holstein> hell, i could have it too
[15:49] <floating> yeah I've seen some bug reports online
[15:49] <holstein> ive never played a mp3 for more than a few minutes
[15:49] <floating> ah
[15:50] <holstein> just to hear a track or something
[15:50] <floating> everything else works %100
[15:50] <holstein> hmmm
[15:50] <holstein> is the sound dead at that point?
[15:50] <holstein> do you have to resart the app to get the sound to play again?
[15:51] <holstein> while the audio is hanging, can you make any other sounds?
[15:51] <floating> I have to restart the app
[15:51] <floating> oh
[15:51] <floating> I haven't tried that yet
[15:51] <floating> that's a good point
[15:52] <floating> I'll play with it a little
[15:52] <holstein> i'll ask around too
[15:52] <holstein>  i got a local friend on the kernel team
[15:53] <holstein> he might have some ideas
[15:53] <floating> ok, thanks... I appreciate it
[15:53] <floating> I get the feeling it's a gstreamer issue
[15:53] <floating> but I could be wrong
[15:53] <holstein> makes sense
[15:54] <holstein> is there a fluendo mp3 codec still?
[15:54] <holstein> a free one in the repos?
[15:54] <holstein> you could try that too i suppose
[15:54] <holstein> get rid or ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:54] <holstein> and install the fluendo one
[16:32] <floating> good idea
[16:32] <floating> I'll give that a shot also
[19:13] <PatrickGleason> does anyone here use ubuntu for web design?
[19:25] <PatrickGleason> Does anyone here use ubuntu for web design?
[19:35] <jussi01> PatrickGleason: some. whats your question?
[19:35] <PatrickGleason> just wondering what real peoples workflow is like.
[19:35] <jussi01> Ive used quanta a little.
[19:36] <jussi01> mind, its nowhere near the standard of dreamweaver
[19:36] <jussi01> !code
[19:37] <jussi01> !html
[19:37] <jussi01> there we are...
[19:46] <jussi01> PatrickGleason: youll likely get a better reponse from our mailing list
[19:46] <PatrickGleason> where do I sign up?
[20:05] <ScottL> PatrickGleason,    https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[23:45] <YAYBREAD> holstein you still there?


[08:19] <alkisg> Good morning
[16:52] <mhall119> highvoltage: you need a visa to visit the USA from Canada?
[16:53] <mhall119> or is this because you're in Canada on a visa from South Africa?
[17:57] <dinda> mhall119: the QIMO project should participate in the new Google project to get kids ages 13 - 18 into open source projects
[17:57] <dinda> mhall119: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html
[17:58] <mhall119> dinda: I was reading about that earlier
[17:59] <mhall119> but we don't really have any "students"
[18:03] <dinda> mhall119: if Ubuntu as a project doesn't participate, the I might do it under the Edubuntu umbrella
[18:03] <mhall119> the goal is to get teens writing code, correct?
[18:03] <dinda> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn2010/Ideas
[18:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep :-/
[18:04] <dinda> mhall119: no, the tasks are much broader than just code
[18:04] <mhall119> you know there is an ubuntu-youth team, right dinda ?
[18:04] <mhall119> with specifically that age range
[18:04] <dinda> didn't think it was very active
[18:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: it's because I travel on a South African passport and their afraid I'm going to steel minimum wage labour work from Americans
[18:04] <highvoltage> s/their/they're/
[18:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: no no, only hispanics do that
[18:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: tell your government that ;)
[18:05] <mhall119> no wonder they won't let you into the country, you've got your stereo-types all wrong
[18:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: just tell them they're oppressing you because you're African
[18:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: oh, they're very aware of that!
[18:05] <mhall119> I'll send Al Sharpton to the rescue
[18:07] <mhall119> highvoltage: so are you going to miss all of UDS?
[18:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: I don't know. I'm going to miss at least Monday and Tuesday currently
[18:08] <mhall119> ah, you'll miss the pizza party
[18:08] <highvoltage> yup.
[18:08] <mhall119> I'd save you a slice, but my thursday it might be a bit funky
[18:09] <dinda> It doesn't look like I'll be making it to UDS either
[18:09] <highvoltage> It's not that I'm a very hateful person, but it's stuff like this that makes me understand why so many people are so anti-American
[18:09] <mhall119> dinda: oh no! who's going to run your server-in-a-box session then?
[18:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: heh, I'll get some local pizza and be there in spirit :)
[18:09] <mhall119> highvoltage: there you go
[19:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: would you have time fo fill in something like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010/Advocacy
[19:54] <highvoltage> I guess it's better to have someone newer in our community fill it out than someone old
[19:54] <stgraber> mhall119: are you staying at the UDS hotel or driving everyday ?
[19:54] <mhall119> you calling me old?
[19:54] <mhall119> stgraber: i'll be driving
[19:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: no, I'm saying that stgraber and I are ;)
[19:56] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'd be happy to fill it out for packaging and submitting to universe of my qimo packages
[19:58] <highvoltage> mhall119: great!
[20:06] <stgraber> mhall119: feels weird being outside by the swimming pool working on my laptop at the end of October ;)
[20:19] <mhall119> stgraber: it's nice isn't it?
[20:19] <mhall119> you'd never even know there was a tropical storm in the gurl
[20:19] <mhall119> gulf
[20:20] <stgraber> mhall119: saw that on TV last night
[20:20] <mhall119> welcome to Florida!
[21:04] <TheProf> I have a question: I've been running Fedora 10+LTSP in our school and just installed a second server with Edubuntu (Ubuntu 10.10+ltsp). Both servers in same rack, same internet connectivity, etc.  Installed FreeNX on both for remote access. For some reason the Ubuntu box's session is *much* slower than the Fedora box, even though it's on superior hardware. Desktop effects are off.  Any...
[21:04] <TheProf> ...recommendations please?
[21:05] <alkisg> Different freenx versions? Try neatx?
[21:05] <stgraber> where did you take you freenx for Edubuntu ?
[21:05] <stgraber> the one in freenx-team is broken
[21:06] <TheProf> alkisg: I know the client version is the same one because I'm using it on an XP machine to connect to both Linux servers at the same time.
[21:06] <alkisg> The client ok, but the server?
[21:06] <TheProf> stgraber: I followed the instructions online to obtain it through an apt-get repository
[21:07] <TheProf> Let me just check the exact details now on it
[21:07] <stgraber> ok, so you probably use the broken version.
[21:07] <stgraber> does it take 40s to connect (give or take) ?
[21:08] <TheProf> I'm trying it now - yes it does seem to take about half a minute.
[21:08] <stgraber> you may want to remove the freenx-team PPA, remove the freenx packages you currently have installed, add https://launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/+archive/ppa and reinstall the same packages (we have a different version in that ppa)
[21:09] <stgraber> in my tests the one in freenx-team takes 40s to connect and feels sluggish, the one in revolution-linux is an older version we ported to maverick and connects in 4-5s
[21:10] <alkisg> stgraber: got any neatx version there? :)
[21:10] <alkisg> The neatx from freenx-ppa also takes 40 secs to connect, but is fast when it does
[21:10] <stgraber> alkisg: nope, we use freenx for RDP quite a lot and neatx doesn't support RDP
[21:10] <TheProf> OK so I just went through the shell commands I used to install it. I actually installed it by downloading and installing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/576359/+attachment/1378450/+files/nxsetup.tar.gz
[21:10] <stgraber> alkisg: the issue in our tests was the agent, maybe they share the same code for that part
[21:11] <alkisg> One can connect with an rdp client to freenx?!
[21:11] <TheProf> alkisg: I am not familiar with neatx - is it the same thing as FreeNX?
[21:11] <stgraber> alkisg: nope, the other way around. We use it for a few customers who have a ltsp-cluster setup but with Windows server
[21:11] <alkisg> TheProf: yes, it's smaller and easier to setup, but apparently it lacks features...
[21:11] <stgraber> alkisg: NX is a lot faster and takes a lot less bandwidth than RDP
[21:12] <stgraber> alkisg: so they connect over NX, we load-balance them then connect over RDP from the NX load balancer to their RDP application server
[21:12] <alkisg> Ah, got it, ty
[21:12] <alkisg> TheProf: neatx is on the same freenx-team ppa
[21:13] <TheProf> so basically what i did was download, untar, and run /usr/lib/nx/setup --install
[21:13] <alkisg> Maybe they use some common broken library that dns-timeouts before connecting, I heard something like that
[21:13] <TheProf> stgraber: can I uninstall that version I put in and install the one you recommended?
[21:14] <stgraber> ouch, you really should have installed it from the package
[21:14] <stgraber> removing it when installed by hand will be quite tricky
[21:15] <TheProf> Argh.  It was the only guide I could find at the time.
[21:15] <stgraber> what you would want is a clean Edubuntu install, then do:
[21:16] <stgraber> 1) sudo apt-add-repository ppa:revolution-linux/ppa
[21:16] <stgraber> 2) sudo apt-get install freenx-server
[21:16] <stgraber> 3) you're done
[21:16] <TheProf> I just took a look at the setup script and it accepts an --uninstall option
[21:16] <TheProf> stgraber: ok that's great instructions thank you
[21:16] <stgraber> TheProf: you can test it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager
[21:16] <stgraber> TheProf: that's what we use for our web demo
[21:17] <TheProf> I understand. this machine is a clean installation so hopefully I can get it removed
[21:17] <alkisg> stgraber: cool!!!
[21:20] <highvoltage> alkisg: you didn't know about that yet? :p
[21:20] <alkisg> Nope, you guys didn't give it enough publicity!
[21:21] <TheProf> I had no idea either.
[21:21] <highvoltage> alkisg: suggestions welcome on where it should be publicized ;)
[21:21] <alkisg> I'll do my part :)
[21:22] <TheProf> stgraber: argh x 2 - I successfully was able to uninstall the nxserver I downloaded and got "Ok, NX server is uninstalled" message but after I followed your instructions I got "freenx-server already the newest version"
[21:23] <TheProf> what are the chances this can be resolved by rebooting the server? :D
[21:23] <stgraber> apparently their uninstall script doesn't work so well
[21:23] <stgraber> very very slim
[21:23] <TheProf> OK.
[21:24] <TheProf> interestingly apt-get remove freenx-server seems to work
[21:25] <stgraber> oh, maybe removing it will cleanup the previous install, then reinstall might work
[21:26] <TheProf> During the removal apt also mentioned a bunch of packages that were installed and no longer required: mbfs libxcompshad3 esound-common nx-common libxcompext3 nxagent libxcomp3 libesd0 expect freenx-smb libaudiofile0 nxlibs cifs-utils esound-clients
[21:27] <TheProf> Seems like a lot of stuff for just freenx
[21:27] <stgraber> apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:27] <TheProf> highvoltage: I'd recommend that NX info be available perhaps on the Wiki/community pages?  I know I checked there first for anything like it but couldn't find anything
[21:27] <stgraber> will get rid of these
[21:28] <TheProf> stgraber: thank you - I am trying it now
[21:29] <stgraber> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX might need an update, it's still recommending the freenx-team ppa
[21:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: ^
[21:29] <highvoltage> I see.
[21:29] <highvoltage> (for lack of better response :p)
[21:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: you mean, get rid of these as in replacing with x2go?
[21:30] <TheProf> X2go from what I understand doesn't work in Windows right?
[21:30] <stgraber> it does, though the packaging really sucks on the server side
[21:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: at least update it to refer to revolution-linux's ppa which gives you a working nx
[21:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: because freenx-team currently uses a newer upstream NX that works only half of the time, takes a long time to connect and feels slower
[21:31] <TheProf> OK - just asking as our teachers, etc would access the server generally through Windows.
[21:31] <highvoltage> *sigh* we need a bigger docs team :)
[21:33] <TheProf> the autoremove purge command worked except that user nx seems to still be logged in and therefore can't be deleted.
[21:33] <TheProf> is the correction solution to switch to single-user mode?
[21:34] <TheProf> or am I just making stuff up? :)
[21:34] <stgraber> sudo pkill -u nx
[21:34] <stgraber> that should fix your nx user issue
[21:34] <stgraber> sudo deluser nx
[21:34] <stgraber> to actually remove it after that
[21:38] <TheProf> OK great. Deleted the user, and then apt-get autoremove -- purge worked fine.  Then ran apt-get install freenx-server and it installed. however, I think it installed it from the wrong source (IE: freenx-team PPA rather than the other one). Is there a way to determine where a package came from?
[21:40] <stgraber> dpkg -l | grep freenx-server
[21:41] <stgraber> what's the version number you see there ?
[21:41] <TheProf> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa7~lucid
[21:41] <stgraber> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick is the one in revolution-linux
[21:41] <stgraber> ah, you are running lucid
[21:41] <TheProf> you mean the OS or the version of freenx?
[21:42] <stgraber> os
[21:42] <TheProf> I just installed Edubuntu 10.10 on Monday
[21:42] <TheProf> it was a clean install
[21:42] <TheProf> I may have screwed up and mixed repositories? :(
[21:43] <TheProf> Didn't think that was possible.
[21:43] <stgraber> I guess you did ;)
[21:43] <stgraber> grep -ri lucid /etc/apt/
[21:44] <TheProf> Is there a pastebin or should I paste it in here?
[21:44] <stgraber> is it giving you that many lines ?
[21:44] <TheProf> 4 plus 2 permission denied errors
[21:44] <stgraber> paste.ubuntu.com
[21:45] <TheProf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518278/
[21:46] <stgraber> ok, so:
[21:46] <stgraber> 1) sudo apt-get remove --purge freenx-server
[21:46] <stgraber> 2) sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:46] <stgraber> 3) rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/freenx-team-ppa-maverick.list
[21:46] <stgraber> 4) sudo apt-get update
[21:46] <stgraber> 5) sudo apt-get install freenx-server
[21:46] <stgraber> assuming you already did the apt-add-repository, it "should" work
[21:49] <TheProf> It's just processing now
[21:49] <TheProf> OK, running dpkg -l | grep freenx-server gives
[21:49] <TheProf> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick
[21:50] <TheProf> Wohoo! same one you had :)
[21:50] <stgraber> that's better ;)
[21:50] <TheProf> stgraber: Indeed! thank you.
[21:50] <TheProf> I just have to now generate a new key and try it out on the client
[21:51] <TheProf> unless it inherited the old key? :)
[21:51] <stgraber> key should be fine
[21:55] <stgraber> oops, 5 minutes of battery life, apparently I should head back to my room ... will be back a bit later
[21:58] <TheProf> stgraber: just got it to work
[22:00] <TheProf> It's faster than the other version of FreeNX that was installed for sure.
[22:03] <TheProf> There still seems to be some rendering issues -- for example it doesn't render the titlebar of the windows - it's just missing. If you click where it should be, it is there, but invisible.
[22:06] <stgraber> oh, weird, never saw that before
[22:06] <stgraber> do you also see that issue on www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager ?
[22:07] <TheProf> trying it there now
[22:08] <TheProf> the previous version of freeNX we just uninstalled had a similar problem -- instead of the bar being invisible, it was all fuzzy like an out-of-tune analog TV
[22:11] <stgraber> weird, I never saw that before ... could it be a client configuration issue ?
[22:12] <TheProf> stgraber: could be.  The vmmanager doesn't allow me to connect. It always fails after the connection is established with a 'authentifcation failed for user' note.  I'm checking
[22:15] <TheProf> No problem
[22:27] <TheProf> Yup - it is faster but I think I was spoiled by the previous FreeNX sessions under Fedora. For some reason it REALLY flew under K12Linux
[22:30] <shazzr> Anyone who use SMARTboard+Edubuntu?
[22:44] <TheProf> stgraber: Unfortunately I have to leave now.  Thank you very much for your help -- hopefully I will try the vmmanager link and see if it also shows the same NX issues. Thanks


[01:34] <backthen> I have a Ubuntu installation it doesn't start after grub and always just show blinking cursor. I have to restart into safe mode and then I can launch the OS without problem. How to repair this
[01:36] <gry> did it work before?
[01:39] <backthen> gry: no it's a new install, after installing Windows
[01:39] <gry> so you had ubuntu first and windows second
[01:40] <backthen> well, now it's ubuntu second once again because I reinstalled Ubuntu again after windows install because of this problem
[01:41] <gry> so normally if you can, install windows first, ensure that you can reboot into it two or three times, then install ubuntu second
[01:41] <gry> then grub will work easier
[01:41] <ravage> if the safe mode works its not a grub problem
[01:41] <ravage> most likely some kernel/driver problem
[01:41] <gry> hmm
[01:42] <gry> and what is it now? did ubuntu start working after you reinstalled it?
[01:42] <gry> probably you will need to check logs of ubuntu about its previous unsuccessful boot attempt, to see what went wrong
[01:43] <backthen> After I reinstalled, and tinkering with it I discovered that trick
[01:43] <gry> the trick being safe mode?
[01:43] <ravage> im not sure if thats the most sophisticated way but try adding "nomodeset" to the kernel parameters in grub
[01:43] <backthen> Yes. Safe mode first, then at the safe mode screen select the first option to launch
[01:43] <gry> logs can be in '/var/log', that's how it was five years ago. if it's systemd then someone else will need to help, i don't have a clue
[01:44] <ravage> it should already have quite and some more options
[01:44] <ravage> go to edit mode in grub of your normal boot option (not safe mode) and add nomodeset after quiet
[01:45] <ravage> the may be multiple occurences. just edit all
[01:45] <ravage> its not permanent. in case it works you have to add that paremater to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[01:47] <backthen> I wonder if it has do to with the gpu. It's a nvidia gpu but System Info shows llvmpipe
[01:48] <ravage> you can try to install the nvidia driver. but see if you can get the system bootable first
[01:48] <ravage> im not sure if you can install drivers from safe mode
[01:48] <ravage> you can try
[01:48] <ravage>  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[01:49] <gry> backthen: 'nomodeset' forces the OS to not load video drivers when it is starting to boot. afaik it loads them only after starting Xorg. so if you test it out, maybe it will help you understand whether or not the video drivers are the problem.
[01:50] <ravage> it does not really prevent any driver loading. i just doesnt set any framebuffer mode which can cause problems
[01:51] <gry> ok
[01:56] <backthen> ravage: wow that prob fixed it it works now. Thanks a lot
[01:57] <ravage> great :) try to install the nvidia driver via ubuntu-drivers. maybe you wont need that then anymore
[01:58] <backthen> Yea the ubuntu-drivers command I think fixed it. Why doesn't the inherent software update function I ran previously fix this? Guess it doesn't cover drivers
[01:58] <ravage> updates install updates of installed software
[01:58] <ravage> the nvidia driver just was not active
[02:01] <ravage> i dont know which ubuntu version you run. recent versions try to use wayland instead of xorg i think. nvidia is know for causing problems with wayland
[02:01] <ravage> so if you run in any problems try to switch to xorg
[02:02] <backthen> I think it also helps that I wasn't in safe mode. The UI interface looked regular. I'm on 20.0.4 the LTS one.
[02:02] <backthen> Btw, when I installed this copy Ubuntu was actually complaining about Intel rapid start technology. Had to turn that off before it allowed me to install
[02:05] <ravage> 20.04 uses xorg by default so you should be fine
[02:06] <Bashing-om> !cookie |  ravage
[05:37] <sadbot> Programs shows no disk space available ,but enough is there ,in btrfs
[05:37] <sadbot> I deleted all snapshots too
[05:38] <Croran> my video card doesn't support vp9 hardware decode. Is there a good way to optimize vp9 software playback?
[05:38] <gry> sadbot: "but enough is there ,in btrfs" how do you know that?
[05:38] <Croran> Like, I want to watch 4k/60Hz 18Mbps video without lag.
[05:39] <sadbot> @gry: trying to tar xvf
[05:40] <sadbot> Croran:  maybe try converting to h264
[05:40] <sadbot> On the fly*
[05:42] <Croran> oh hey i just fixed it by turning off the software video equalizer.
[05:42] <Croran> funny that increases cpu usage by 100% even when you haven't adjusted any of its 'knobs'.
[05:43] <sadbot> Is this bug in btrfs , it's weird ,or i am noob
[05:44] <sadbot> sudo btrfs filesystem usage / ,also shows enough storage
[06:32] <sadbot> Goddamn i am an idiot problem is solved ,i did forgot i had home as different partition
[06:47] <Croran> is the linux-image-virtual package even relevant anymore? seems like it just installs a generic kernel.
[07:37] <yukiup> best cheap <=13" laptop that also has good battery life in ubuntu?
[07:38] <yukiup> i'm looking at the x280 thinkpad and Dell XPS 13 2018
[08:03] <supay> hey, are there any server-side scripts/tools to prevent the mass scanners/enumeration tools out there..
[08:06] <manwhowouldbekin> Greetings all. It appears that an update broke my LAN connection. It has happened within the past 1.5 or so. The connection initiates, but is unable to ping anything. In the tray it shows up as active. I have tried what I could (cable, router, basic connection settings), but do not know how to troubleshoot it further. Any tips or help is appreciated.
[08:06] <manwhowouldbekin> 1.5 months * (Ubuntu 20.04)
[09:07] <txlinux1> where would I get some help on my yaml files and problem with samba
[09:14] <beuys> Hello! I changed the DE to KDE and now I don't have a wifi icon anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?
[09:20] <xuting> Hello?
[09:20] <beuys> xuting: Hello
[09:33] <Maik> beuys: if you use Kubuntu it's ok to ask here or in #kubuntu, if you use another distro ask in their support channel. And please don't cross post.
[09:34] <PovilasCNC> Maik, what about xubuntu ?
[09:41] <odesportes> Hi there, may someone help me getting rid of an annoying device naming problem ? I need this raid device to be named /dev/md5, I don't want any homehost name prefix in the superblock, nor a subdirectory /dev/md/. How can I achieve that ? (superblock 1.2)
[10:07] <ggAllin> hi
[10:32] <ztane> so is telegram-desktop apt package dead? I must get snapped?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> ztane: its still on the repos
[10:42] <ztane> lotuspsychje: it is but when running client from that it says it is not up to date, go upgrade it :D
[10:43] <ztane> the dialog also says it does not *work* which I've also verified...
[10:43] <ztane> i.e. it doesn't sync messages in properly :D
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ztane: i recently talked to another volunteer using the telegram desktop from the apt repos, says it works fine
[10:50] <ztane> hmmhmm haha I restarted it 3 times from the tray icon and it always complained (even after checking apt uptodate) but after 4th time it is not complaining any more, go figure :F
[10:50] <ztane> ah no...
[10:51] <ztane> no it doesn't
[10:52] <ztane> every time you start it there is a complaint dialog still. but what it also does is not sync incoming messages properly/in time any more.
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> ztane: see if your bug exists here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telegram-desktop/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 if not, file a new !bug please
[11:07] <ogra_> the telegram-desktop deb comes as-is from debian and is not maintained in ubuntu AFAIK ... it just happens to come in with the auto-imports ... (should probably be blacklisted)
[11:08] <ztane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telegram-desktop/+bug/1823299/comments/8 looks like someone commented on an old issue
[11:09] <ztane> ogra_: so I should use snap... :F but snaps litter my mount listing, even at minimum my df has 61 lines, mount outputs 96 lines :D
[11:10] <ogra_> yeah, some of that ugliness is fixed in newer releases (snap mounts get filtered in df nowadays)
[11:11] <ztane> ah, good to know. I am too old to live on the edge so LTS it is nowadays
[11:11] <ogra_> yeah, same for me :
[11:11] <ogra_> 🙂
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> !info telegram-desktop
[11:12] <ztane> hmm wat 3.1.1
[11:12] <ogra_> in impish
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> !info telegram-desktop focal
[11:13] <ogra_> yu could ask on the ubuntu-backports mailig list to get it into focal
[11:13] <ztane> yea.
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> good idea ogra_
[11:17] <KBar> What's the way to disable the DVD-RAM writer on a laptop permanently? I don't use it at all. Sometimes it pops out on its own. Very rarely, however very annoying.
[11:30] <KBar> Neither `eject -i 1 /dev/sr0` or `echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/lock` works.
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> KBar: maybe a blacklist to the module?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> KBar: https://serverfault.com/questions/448695/completely-disable-cd-dvd-rom-access-to-all-users-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts
[11:37] <jeremy31> Physically remove the DVD drive
[11:40] <KBar> Already tried hammering it; didn't help.
[11:41] <KBar> lotuspsychje, thanks. Will try.
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> heh
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> remove the drive will give him empty space, not so handy
[12:03] <KBar> Blacklisting sr_mod didn't help as well. I also removed /dev/sr0. No luck.
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[12:04] <KBar> It looks like going dirty is the only way.
[12:05]  * KBar is gone to find a bigger hammer…
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> i used to find a way to block usb ports at boot
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> but never tryed on dvd
[12:19] <weedmic> does mouser.com work with firefox on linux?  i mean for example, can anyone reach this page and have it load?  https://www.mouser.com/CatalogRequest/CatalogDownloads.aspx
[12:21] <weedmic> oddly, it worked on my phone, but I cannot e-mail a 170mb file.  i've tried 3 linux machines even the mouser.com won't open.
[12:26] <KBar> Alright, a bigger hammer did the job.
[12:27] <KBar> A bigger hammer = commenting out a single line in one of udev's rules. Now eject works. Brilliant piece of software, Mr. Torvalds and Mr. Stallman!
[13:22] <Maik> PovilasCNC: what does the channel topic say?...... "#ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.04, 21.10 | Unofficial derivatives: use your distro's support channel, not here. |"
[13:24] <PovilasCNC> Maik, no idea whats official flavours, but I was just teasing you
[13:24] <Maik> don't do that....
[13:25] <Maik> PovilasCNC: besides that, try to search for what official flavours are: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:06] <mmx_in_orbit_> is it possible to use radeonsi driver for/with an older graphics card (Mobility Radeon HD 3650)?
[14:06] <mmx_in_orbit_> somehow?
[14:12] <Gaboradon> Hello
[14:13] <Gaboradon> Brother WIFI printer won't work with 20.04 LTS out of the box with Okular, keeps transferring but never finishes
[14:13] <Gaboradon> I guess some special config needed? Even tho is suppose to be driverless system?
[14:17] <MarcWUK> quick question are there ftdi drivers installed in Ubuntu and is there a way to update them
[14:43] <ph88> What can i do to fix this problem with apt ?  https://bpa.st/D57A
[14:45] <leftyfb> ph88: what version of ubuntu?
[14:46] <ph88> 21.10
[14:47] <leftyfb> ph88: apt-cache policy libpcre2-posix2 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:49] <leftyfb> ph88: libpcre2-posix2 isn't available in Ubuntu 21.10. You'll have to remove it and the PPA it came from to fix your packaging system.
[14:49] <leftyfb> ph88: if you NEED libpcre2-posix2, then https://askubuntu.com/questions/1377997/the-package-system-is-broken-in-ubuntu-21-04/1378015#1378015
[14:57] <Gaboradon> Hi guys, seems like my printer DCP-J4120DW isn't supported properly, keeps waiting long then prints blank page, any way I could make it work, or just no luck with CUPS drivers from official repos, I have 20.04 LTS
[15:01] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=dcpj4120dw_eu_as&os=128
[15:01] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: first result on google for "ubuntu DCP-J4120DW"
[15:02] <Gaboradon> I did search about it ofcourse
[15:03] <Gaboradon> It is listed and detected automatically so that's why I'm not sure if it's unsupported, but it does say "driverless, cups-filters 1.27.4 (en)"
[15:04] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: did you install the drivers from the manufactures page that I linked to?
[15:05] <Gaboradon> I just didn't search with google, and all the previous threads, results never mentioned anything about linux so I assumed there's no official linux driver and didn't look more about it, thanks a lot
[15:15] <ph88> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/71rm
[15:16] <leftyfb> ph88: yep, see my followup replies
[15:16] <ph88> leftyfb, how can stop using it ?
[15:16] <leftyfb> ph88: remove it
[15:16] <ph88> ok
[15:17] <leftyfb> ph88: though it might have got pulled down from another package you installed from that PPA
[15:18] <yates> how do i set my preferred pdf reader to okular?
[15:19] <Guada> holiiiiiiiiiis
[15:19] <alumno__> h0la
[15:19] <mila> hola pives
[15:19] <patito> hol a
[15:19] <leftyfb> yates: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-changing-default-app-for-pdf/    # first result on google for "ubuntu set default pdf viewer"
[15:20] <patito> comi
[15:20] <alumno__> hola
[15:20] <leftyfb> patito: please stop
[15:20] <alumno_> hola comoandan
[15:20] <patito> jijijiji
[15:20] <Guada> como andannn
[15:20] <mila> hola
[15:20] <patito> kjnkfdhvjvkfdsbvksdjfbvisd
[15:20] <alumno__> todo bien
[15:20] <leftyfb> !op | Guada patito mila alumno__
[15:21] <mila> putos
[15:21] <yates> leftyfb: so am i to assume "okular.desktop" is available somewhere?
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <alumno__> ¿
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <patito> puto tu mam
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:21] <mila> hola
[15:22] <yates> thank you
[15:22] <ph88> i liked hola :/
[15:22] <yates> people with way too much time on their hands..
[15:22] <ph88> always can make some time for a friendly hola
[15:31] <Gaboradon> leftyfb: says "Open the terminal and go to the directory where the drivers are."
[15:31] <Gaboradon> Somewhere in root I guess
[15:32] <Gaboradon> Wouldn't dpkg do it's think from any dir ?
[15:32] <Gaboradon> thing*
[15:33] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadend.aspx?c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=dcpj4120dw_eu_as&os=128&dlid=dlf006893_000&flang=4&type3=625&dlang=true
[15:34] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: download and install that
[15:42] <Gaboradon> Sure, it just takes more figuring out to do, I've never installed a deb package manually before
[15:44] <ioria> i doubt it's a real .deb, it's a tar.gz , you need to unpack it and run  an install .sh script
[15:46] <Gaboradon> There are 3 relevant debs, CUPS Wrapper, LPR and SCAN, The CUPS wrapper thing I think is for Network, but says I also need LPR so both, but I won't need SCAN
[15:46] <Gaboradon> Install tool perhaps is optional but I'll take a look at it
[15:47] <KBar> Well, .deb is just an ar archive anyway.
[15:47] <ioria> Gaboradon, don't you have a linux-brprinter*.sh  script  or similar ?
[15:49] <Gaboradon> Kinda, the driver install tool has an extensionless file that appears to be bash, so I guess that's the script
[15:49] <Gaboradon> But it's like old from 2014 ... should I really blindly run it on a much newer linux
[15:49] <KBar> Gaboradon, use file on it to be sure.
[15:50] <ioria> Gaboradon, if it's a wifi setup, you might need (for the first install) a usb connection anyways
[15:51] <Gaboradon> Is there some site  or utility that could check for bash syntax and parse it a bit to show warnings and stuff ?
[15:51] <Gaboradon> The scrip seems very extensive and does a lot of stuff
[15:52] <SnowWhite> shellcheck
[15:52] <ioria> yes... but not sure if would be any good
[15:52] <ioria> that ^
[15:53] <Gaboradon> ioria: indeed that what I was thinking as well, install might need USB connection, only later WiFi only, I would need to carry the whole thing here, unplug and set it up, I guess it won't happen right away now
[15:53] <Gaboradon> Printer is not even mine so that's that, it's shared so I need to ask other people
[15:53] <ioria> Gaboradon, this is the best i can find (tested, iirc) :  https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/brother-printers.html
[15:54] <Gaboradon> When you download .debs from that site, it gives you very short install instructions, just running dpkg and checking, and done, but the script is huge
[15:54] <ioria> Gaboradon, note the "First remove any existing instance of the Brother printer in the application Printers
[15:57] <yates> is a session restart required after editing ~/.config/mimeapps.list?
[15:57] <Gaboradon> line 121: linux-brprinter-installer-2.2.3-1: <stdout>: commitBuffer: invalid argument (invalid character)
[15:57] <yates> i changed my pdf reader and... no workie
[15:58] <yates> not with xdg-open my.pdf
[15:58] <leftyfb> yates: log out and back in
[15:58] <Gaboradon> There's 1 error and 2 warnigns about double quotes, some backward slashes, and that error I posted about invalid arg
[15:59] <Gaboradon> This definitely won't be a quick thing, but no surprise this is what installing on linux is something I thought it would be
[15:59] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: are you seeing these errors in a linter or from attempting to run it?
[15:59] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: running a driver installer script through a linter might not work properly
[16:04] <ioria> Gaboradon, might be locale issue; put beforehand  'export LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 -; sudo bash linux-brprinter*'
[16:06] <ioria> Gaboradon, sy, i mean :  'export LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 ; sudo bash linux-brprinter*'
[16:14] <Gaboradon> leftyfb: Yeah the errors are shown by shellcheck
[16:14] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: that probably isn't going to mean much
[16:17] <Gaboradon> The script seems to download stuff beforehand, so getting those debs down I already did manually perhaps, trying to see if it's actually required or I could do it manually myself
[16:18] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: you should contact Brother for further support for their driver installation script
[16:20] <Gaboradon> Seems like the script is made for multiple models, auto download, multiple distros,  think it's actually a general thing and perhaps not necessary
[16:21] <Gaboradon> uninstaller and stuff like that
[16:59] <beached> Is this the ubuntu help irc?
[17:00] <leftyfb> beached: yes
[17:00] <beached> I have been in audio nightmare mode all morning. I tried lots of things to get it working, but ultimately got audio "Working" by upgrading from v20 to v21replaced pulse audio with pipewire.
[17:00] <beached> I have a new issue though, the audio related Fn keys no longer work. All other Fn keys work fine, just mute, volume down, and volume up do not work.
[17:00] <beached> Also, there is no audio system tray icon any more. It is missing, and there is no option for audio in entries to change to always show/when relevant/etc
[17:00] <beached> My only way to edit volume is pulse volume control application and clicking and dragging the slider. Which is of course, inconvenient.
[17:01] <beached> My googling options are running a little thin, was hoping for something I cannot find on the first 3 pages of google and ddg
[17:04] <beached> Well F, just should have asked earlier
[17:05] <beached> https://askubuntu.com/questions/997334/sound-volume-icon-volume-control-widget-disappears-from-tray-and-fn-f11-fn-f12
[17:05] <beached> did the trick for me. I no longer need help i guess. TY anyways!
[17:10] <Gaboradon> Weird printer stuff, I was going into printer web management, navigated the network pages, checked protocols, suddenly Ubuntu detects another printer
[17:10] <Gaboradon> With a longer name, again location implicitclass like the main usual one, implicitclass://Brother_DCP_J4120DW%40PRNT-DCPJ4120DWW-WIFI.local/
[17:11] <Gaboradon> And it works printing simple documents there that aren't size, I was able to print a few lines and "TEST", while Print Test Page throws out all kinds of error on both
[17:12] <Gaboradon> But I can't print the large full page documents with a lot to transfer so there's some weird issue with the default driver, it supports, detects, but doesn't work
[17:26] <Gaboradon> I was deleting printers in KDE GUI, CUPS keeps reconnecting with one of them and wont let it delete
[17:27] <Gaboradon> I deleted the other one, tried to delete this one multiple times, then I got an Ubuntu Internal Error GUI warning
[17:28] <Gaboradon> Apport - Experiencing and internal error, try restarting the PC: details Executable path: /usr/share/system-config-printer/scp-dbus-service.py
[17:29] <kevgao> no idea what's wrong, but why not try disabling all of them and connect your printer to cloud instead
[17:31] <Gaboradon> journalctl has a warning on that file, says org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing[37456]: /usr/share/system-config-printer/scp-dbus-service.py:602: DeprecationWarning: Gdk.threads_enter is deprecated
[17:32] <Gaboradon> I can still do everything normally tho, Printing GUI also keeps working
[17:38] <Gaboradon> Also there's an authentication needed for /usr/share/apport/dump_acpi_tables.py ... that appeared later, maybe something to do with the error message
[17:55] <lemsip> so, I've got a VPN connection that's managed independently of NetworkManager, and I set it's DNS config via systemd-resolved. However, that config is wiped from systemd-resolved when I do a systemctl restart NetworkManager. Why is this the case?
[17:56] <leftyfb> because NM manages your networking
[17:56] <leftyfb> lemsip: why are you restarting NM?
[17:57] <lemsip> leftyfb: thsi happens during upgrades. NM is explicitly leaving my device in an unmanaged state, so it shouldn't touch it's config.
[17:57] <lemsip> Or so I've gathered from #nm some moons ago.
[17:57] <lemsip> Since I did not use NM to configure my wireguard device, NM shouldn't touch it's DNS config in systemd-resolved.
[18:00] <lemsip> leftyfb: for instance, in Fedora 34, this doesn't happen.
[18:00] <lemsip> so I don't think this is related to vanilla NM but on Ubuntu and it's cousins. This is a problem because NM is often restarted during upgrades, and then silently my DNS config gets wiped.
[18:09] <Gaboradon> I got this dpkg error: mkdir: cannot create directory '/var/spool/lpd/dcpj4120dw': No such file or directory
[18:10] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: at this point you should REALLY contact Brother for further support with their driver install script
[18:10] <Gaboradon> I'm following their deb installation instruction, not the script.
[18:11] <Gaboradon> I haven't touched the script at all
[18:11] <Gaboradon> They said I have to use --force-all, to skip errors, but I wanted to see what it tries to do that's supposably going to error out
[18:14] <Gaboradon> I think I figured what the problem is, this is one of the quirks of linux that never happes on windows, if directories don't exist they get made and no error ever happens in such case
[18:15] <Gaboradon> The preceeding directory didn't exist, lpd, mkdir doesn't make it and ouputs a stupid error message
[18:17] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: no, that is one of the "quirks" of the script or application. It's not the job of the OS to make assumptions. Also, Windows, the OS, does not create directories automatically when something attempts to write to one that doesn't exist. That is the job of the installer or application.
[18:19] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: please direct all further support questions or updates relating to Brother's install script to Brother.
[18:19] <Gaboradon> I didn't ran script, I ran "sudo dpkg -i  brother-lpr-driver-i386.deb"  once I manually created lpd file with "sudo mkdir lpd" in /var/spool, it worked.
[18:19] <Gaboradon> lpd folder* (not file)
[18:19] <origintopleft> it's still brother's fault
[18:19] <origintopleft> they did it wrong
[18:20] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: ok, then whoever created that package (Brother), made false assumptions and didn't do their job properly. That is called a bug, with their package. Not Ubuntu and not "Linux"
[18:20] <Gaboradon> Sure, technically that's right
[18:24] <Gaboradon> It all works now, that big Install Setup script wasn't needed indeed, after installing the CUPS driver it all set up no error, printer was configured automatically and already printed a test page fine, looks like there's more functions and even ink info.
[18:26] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: feel free to file bugs with Brother and/or write up some documentation on wiki.ubuntu.com so others can benefit from your efforts
[18:29] <Gaboradon> Will try, thanks a lot guys, and a lesson for me to actually go look up the official drivers next time more diligently.
[19:14] <jhutchins> Gaboradon: I'm betting that the parent directory /var/spool/lpd doesn't exist, and Brother neglected to use -p to create the parents.
[19:14] <jhutchins> Gaboradon: Brother does not support my printer on 64b architecture.
[19:15] <jhutchins> Gaboradon: Fortunately, CUPS seems to be able to cope without the wrapper.
[19:15] <Gaboradon> Yeah, this is a 32bit driver I think I had here, but it works on 64bit OS
[19:30] <manu1> hi
[19:50] <Muligan> anybody using Quagga w/Ubuntu by anychance?
[19:53] <leftyfb> Muligan: it's best if you ask your support questions and not take a survey which is unlikely to result in anything productive
[19:53] <ash_worksi> wow, the default nginx ubuntu config recommends turning off gzip on ssl servers due to a bug in v1.6 (fixed in 1.9; ubuntu repos for 18 serve 1.16)
[19:54] <Muligan> leftyfb, I'm essentially inquiring about it's usage this day in age before plummeting down the rabbit hole
[19:54] <ash_worksi> checking the most recent version now
[19:55] <ash_worksi> well, I'm checking focal
[19:57] <sarnold> Muligan: I think quagga is pretty unhappy; check out frr https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frr/+bug/1951834
[21:24] <fossapup> for puppy linux :  how to make a desktop shortcut for a menu entry?
[21:25] <fossapup> can anybody answer the query?
[21:25] <Et-17> this is a channel for ubuntu not puppy linux
[21:26] <fossapup> well, fossapuppy is based on ubuntu 20.04
[21:27] <fossapup> So, it's the right question in right den I believe.
[21:27] <srv> yes but this is only for official falvors
[21:27] <srv> for other you have to go to de distro channel
[21:27] <srv> flavors*
[21:27] <srv> read the topic
[21:28] <fossapup> OK,  Another ubuntu query
[21:28] <fossapup> my windows play sound well
[21:28] <fossapup> but the ubuntu doesn't
[21:29] <fossapup> does dound depend on OS?
[21:29] <Et-17> so your windows computer plays sound well, but your ubuntu computer plays it worse? maybe your sound drivers for ubuntu are worse, or outdated
[21:29] <Et-17> the actual hardware itself prob doesn't care about the os, but the driver that the os uses to interface with it is really important
[21:29] <fossapup> Ubuntu couldn't play it at all
[21:30] <Et-17> is it just the one headphone? or is it with all of them?
[21:30] <fossapup> no sound : speaker / headphone
[21:31] <Et-17> did you turn your computer off and on again
[21:31] <fossapup> tried almost all quaks over internet, failed
[21:31] <Et-17> well, i have nothing for you but checking and making sure your drivers are up to date for your sound card
[21:32] <fossapup> how to do that?
[21:34] <fossapup> how to update audio drivers in ubuntu?
[21:34] <fossapup> can anybody answer?
[21:34] <Et-17> not really sure how to do that off the top of my head, but you would probably be able to find some good tutorials on the web. You might be able to download the drivers for your card from the makers of the card or smth, but the location that you get the actual driver from is dependent on the device.
[21:37] <fossapup> the makers are Everest, as found @windows
[21:37] <fossapup> can i get it from them?
[21:38] <Et-17> maybe. you should check the webpage, and see what you can find. theres not really one place to download all drivers.
[21:38] <Et-17> i've nevre downloaded drivers in ubuntu so i can't speak for the exact process though
[21:40] <fossapup> how to identify sound  card in ubuntu?
[21:40] <plt> Hello
[21:40] <dbasinge> fossapup: lspci
[21:41] <plt> I am having issue with postfix https://pastebin.com/5bgMEU56
[21:41] <plt> Dec  6 15:32:25 condor3616 postfix/master[24013]: fatal: open lock file /var/lib/postfix/master.lock: unable to set exclusive lock: Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:42] <Et-17> fossapup: i don't know. im not very good with ubuntu, and have offered all the help that i can, but you might be able to find a good article on the subject. there are a lot of htem out there.
[21:43] <plt> Now I want to smack postfix
[21:45] <fossapup> audio device = Intel 3198
[21:45] <fossapup> then how to proceed?
[21:46] <scottg489> Is there a way to stop the boot up output (dmesg?) from overflowing into the tty login prompt? The login prompt will display and then some output will still be going. Nbd but just installed a new system and thought I'd ask
[21:51] <klausfiend> scottg489: not really, although it only affects tty1 generally … the reason is that some of these tools (dmesg, the system log) use the "physical" terminals for output for some messages, so it's normal to see at least some things on the terminal if your system is doing something unusual (like booting up, or running out of memory)
[22:00] <jhutchins> scottg489: Switch to tty2.
[22:02] <plt> How can I get in touch with the ubuntu postfix developers. We go to have a long talk.
[22:03] <leftyfb> plt: http://www.postfix.org/lists.html
[22:03] <klausfiend> scottg489: yeah, what jhutchins says … tty1 tends to be a dumping ground
[22:04] <scottg489> jhutchins: klausfiend: I swear I've seen dmesg output in all my tty's before. I was trying to escape a constant output in tty1 once so I went to tty2 expecting the output to not be there but it was
[22:09] <jhutchins> plt: So out of the millions of people who've run postfix for decades, you're the only one to discover these problems?
[22:11] <klausfiend> jhutchins: heh
[22:14] <fossapup> is there any way to get in touch with an expert on ubuntu audio drivers?
[22:31] <ash_worksi> btw, I just confirmed that the comment for the bug is on focal's nginx package
[22:32] <plt> lockfile error should not accure once the server is shutdown if the developer is using fioe.io.exist(filename) true or false
[22:32] <leftyfb> plt: take it up with the postfix developers that I linked you to above
[22:33] <leftyfb> plt: I've been running postfix on an ubuntu server for many many years now with no issue
[22:42] <plt> This  https://ubottu.com/y/dl
[23:03] <lantech19446> if i encrypt my drive on ubuntu server do I have to enter the passphrase every single time i reboot?
[23:04] <sarnold> I've heard some folks like to put the key material on a usb stick and leave that near the computer
[23:05] <lantech19446> I gotta do something like that because otherwise i'm going to have to roll a big ass monitor up to the computer every time i reboot it only has hdmi output and i'm doing everything by ssh
[23:05] <lantech19446> any guidance on making that key so that it'll pull from it automatically?
[23:13] <sarnold> does the machine have an ipmi / ILO / or whatever that would let you interact with the console from the comfort of your couch? heh
[23:13] <sarnold> there's a pikvm tool you could try, I think it'd fit that..
[23:14] <lantech19446> ok
[23:14] <sarnold> this guide looks sane on a first pass https://www.straybits.org/post/2019/ubuntu-18-04-encrypted-disks-with-usb-boot/
[23:15] <sarnold> that's a bit more work than I expected
[23:15] <plt> The issue is postfix not the server.
[23:16] <lantech19446> so far all of them look more involved than just reinstalling without encryption
[23:16] <plt> me?
[23:21] <sarnold> plt: no, lantech19446's working another problem
[23:21] <sarnold> lantech19446: hah, yeah, definitely unencrypted is easier to boot unattended..
[23:22] <lantech19446> I didn't realize I would have to enter it every time i rebooted, i'm used to windows encryption where it's only needed if some piece of hardware changes
[23:23] <sarnold> ah, that's probably a TPM-based unlock? that's in development now, in ubuntu core, and will probably come to the distribution once it's seen wider user
[23:24] <plt> ok
[23:26] <lantech19446> sarnold: I guess for the moment i'll just keep ansible where it is and setup keys on the windoze devices too then I won't have to worry about encrypting it anyway
[23:28] <xu-irc74w> hello how to mount phone disk mannualy
[23:38] <plt> This is not good address to contact the ubuntu developers  https://ubottu.com/y/g
 plt: I've been running postfix on an ubuntu server for many many years now with no issue What version are you running and shutdown the server file lock should never accure
[23:40] <plt> If fileio.exist (FilelockName) = True
[23:40] <plt> delete file
[23:40] <plt> end if
[23:41] <plt> It could be plesk doing it. If so, then i will talked to them and make them fix it.
[23:44] <leftyfb> plt: I'm running multiple versions across multiple servers. Regardless, you should either ask for help with your actual goals and error messages in #ubuntu-server or contact the postfix developers of you have concerns with the way postfix is developed. Good luck
[23:46] <leftyfb> plt: any VPS running splesk probably isn't supported here as they tend to be very customized instances of Ubuntu


[13:45] <patdk-lp> is there problems with arm builds? waiting almost 24h for a build
[13:47] <seb128> patdk-lp, there is a big transition ongoing in noble (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg00005.html) which is creating backlog on the builders
[13:48] <seb128> patdk-lp, you can see the queue on https://launchpad.net/builders
[13:48] <cjwatson> though I do wonder if a quick "manage-builders --virt --cleaning --reset && manage-builders --virt --disabled --enable" from somebody in ~launchpad-buildd-admins would help
[13:48] <cjwatson> (since there are a bunch of disabled builders etc.)
[13:49] <patdk-lp> oh heh, got hit with that 64bit timet thing awhile ago on alpine, stopped supporting non-64bit rpi's from that


[07:39] <mup> Bug #1774135 opened: [2.5, snap] dhcpd wasn't started after enabling dhcp on a subnet <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774135>
[07:48] <mup> Bug #1774135 changed: [2.5, snap] dhcpd wasn't started after enabling dhcp on a subnet <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774135>
[07:51] <mup> Bug #1774135 opened: [2.5, snap] dhcpd wasn't started after enabling dhcp on a subnet <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774135>
[11:45] <bjarne> Hi, I saw that 2.4.0-6981-g011e51b7a-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 was availeble in next repo, but  seems  like 2.4.0~rc2 isn't releaset yet. Which branch is that build based on?
[13:01] <roaksoax> bjarne: ? 2.4.0~rc2 -> 2.4.0
[14:03] <roaksoax> bjarne: its the same , its just renamed
[14:49] <mup> Bug #1774206 opened: MAAS denies recursive DNS queries from subnets it doesn't know about <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774206>
[16:04] <mup> Bug #1774186 opened: curtin does not recognize / partition created in MAAS <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <cpe-onsite> <foundations-engine> <curtin:Triaged> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774186>
[18:21] <xygnal> is 2.4.0 final out?
[19:31] <xygnal> Ability to increase the number of regiond workers
[19:31] <xygnal> Following the improved way MAAS daemons are run, further internal changes have been made to allow the number of regiond workers to be increased automatically. This allows MAAS to scale to handle an increased number of internal operations in larger environments.
[19:31] <xygnal> does this affect more than UI?
[19:45] <roaksoax> xygnal: yes
[19:46] <roaksoax> xygnal: /win 3
[19:46] <roaksoax> err
[19:47] <roaksoax> xygnal: it allows for more workers communicate with the DB, but would require to increase the amximum number of db connections postgresql accepts
[19:47] <roaksoax> xygnal: but at the same, your issues with the UI should be considerably improved in 2.4
[19:48] <roaksoax> xygnal: without increasing the number of workers
[20:15] <xygnal> yes. impressive release notes sir.
[20:15] <xygnal> looking forward to a lot
[20:16] <mup> Bug #1774266 opened: Validate boot images are available for applicable rack controllers only <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774266>
[21:29] <bdx> concerning 3rd party drivers
[21:29] <bdx> here is my commissioning script https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V7RZBRRqtq/
[21:30] <bdx> I've tried a few different paths, but can't get maas to pick up the mellanox interfaces in commissioning
[21:31] <bdx> even though the driver install succeeds, and I can ssh into the node following commissioning and see the physical interfaces are there
[21:31] <bdx> no matter what I do, I can't seem to get maas to pick up the mellanox interface in commissioning
[21:31] <bdx> any ideas?
[21:31] <bdx> bug?
[21:32] <roaksoax> bjarne: whats the name of your script ?
[21:32] <roaksoax> err
[21:32] <roaksoax> bdx: ^^ what's the name of your script ?
[21:32] <bdx> 00-install-xenial-mlnx-drivers
[21:33] <bdx> the name in the metadata
[21:35] <roaksoax> bdx: maas should be grabbing the interface information from 'ip addr'
[21:36] <roaksoax> bdx: so that could mean there's no 'ip addr' info for your interface ?
[21:37] <bdx> roaksoax: the node isn't powered on anymore, but a few moments ago this is what `ip a` showed https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6CjG9MKWPq/
[21:37] <bdx> enp130s0 and enp130s0d1
[21:37] <bdx> ^ the mellanox
[21:38] <roaksoax> bdx: check the output in  99-maas-03-network-interfaces
[21:41] <bdx> roaksoax: it shows the mellanox nic
[21:42] <bdx> https://imgur.com/a/c3XoTcY
[21:42] <roaksoax> bdx: and it is not shown on the interfaces tab ?
[21:42] <bdx> correct
[21:43] <roaksoax> bdx: and when you commissioning, are you selecting 'Retain network configuration' ?
[21:44] <bdx> I have been, let me run another commissioning with that checked just for an isolated test
[21:47] <bdx> jesus
[21:47] <bdx> they just showed up in the interfaces tab
[21:47] <bdx> ahh
[21:47] <bdx> I think I know what changed
[21:48] <bdx> previously, I wasn't adding the metadata tag to recommission
[21:48] <roaksoax> ah gotcha
[21:48] <bdx> as well as checking "retain network"
[21:48] <bdx> roaksoax: thanks
[21:49] <bdx> roaksoax: now I have the drivers being installed during commissioning, and the interfaces recognized
[21:49] <bdx> is my next step to get the drivers into the image at deploy time to build a deb and add them to the drivers.yaml?
[21:53] <roaksoax> bdx: i would probably recommend you install them the same way you are doing in the ephemeral enviromment
[21:53] <roaksoax> bdx: via curtin preseeding
[21:53] <roaksoax> bdx: i have  quesiton though, are these drivers not available in Ubuntu at all ?
[21:53] <bdx> roaksoax: correct
[21:54] <roaksoax> so i guess mellanox has not upstreamed these drivers into the linux kernel?
[21:54] <bdx> also correct
[21:54] <roaksoax> ok gotcha
[21:55] <bdx> http://www.mellanox.com/related-docs/prod_software/Mellanox_EN_for_Linux_User_Manual_v4_3.pdf - chapter 2.9 "Installing using apt-get"
[21:55] <bdx> they suggest building a deb with the included packaging and serving them up from a local file repo
[21:56] <bdx> I have been trying to build the deb and upload it to launchpad under my own ppa
[21:56] <bdx> ^ then I could just create an entry in drivers yaml
[21:56] <bdx> the preseed may be easier for sure
[21:56] <bdx> because the packaging doesn't build successfully on launchpad
[21:56] <roaksoax> right
[21:57] <bdx> I've been trying to fix/hack it
[21:57] <roaksoax> yeah the preseed may be straightforward since you already have such script
[21:57] <roaksoax> you could just run that script in a late_command
[21:57] <roaksoax> inside the installed target
[21:57] <bdx> totally
[21:58] <bdx> I've done this before back in 1.7 or something ..... are the preseeds under SNAP_COMMON now I take it?
[22:03] <bdx> I can setup a new apt installed maas
[22:03] <bdx> I want to deploy all my new things under maas 2.4 anyway
[22:03] <roaksoax> probably not, since we are still working on getting the snap done for 2.4, we haven't made changes wrt to the snap in 2.3
[22:04] <bdx> ok
[22:04] <bdx> I may want to use maas from apt is what you are saying
[22:04] <bdx> got it
[22:04] <roaksoax> indeed
[22:04] <bdx> ok
[22:04] <roaksoax> bdx: you could then migrate to a 2.4 snap, once ready, pointing it to your current DB
[22:05] <bdx> roaksoax: totally
[22:05] <bdx> well, I have the two entirely decoupled
[22:06] <bdx> so that will probably be even easier
[22:07] <bdx> roaksoax: how do I migrate the db from 2.3.x -> 2.4 ?
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1771885 opened: bionic: static maas missing search domain in systemd-resolve configuration <bionic> <network> <cloud-init:New> <juju:Fix Committed by ecjones> <juju 2.3:Fix Released by ecjones> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771885>
[22:38] <roaksoax> bdx: i would suggest you backup your db
[22:38] <roaksoax> bdx: once that's done, isntall maas from packages
[22:38] <roaksoax> sudo service maas-regiond stop
[22:38] <roaksoax> bdx: then configure /etc/maas/regiond.conf to point to where the 2.3 db is
[22:39] <roaksoax> bdx: and then run: sudo maas-region dbupgrade
[22:39] <roaksoax> bdx: then: sudo service maas-regiond restart
[22:39] <roaksoax> bdx: you /may/ need to rm -rf /var/lib/maas/secret and let maas re-create a new one
[22:40] <bdx> ok, awesome
[22:40] <bdx> roaksoax: my maas is currently deployed to a xenial box, and my postgresql is on another xenial box
[22:41] <bdx> roaksoax: is 2.4 compatible with xenial, or should I deploy a bionic host to install maas from apt on?
[22:41] <roaksoax> bdx: you'd need bionic
[22:41] <bdx> thats what I thought
[22:41] <roaksoax> bdx: i'll check what the status of the snap is tomorrow though, since we were dependent on core18 changes
[22:41] <roaksoax> s/core18/base18
[22:43] <bdx> great, thanks for all of this
[22:50] <roaksoax> np!


[08:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Daniel Holbach: Live Mix: Fam's Birthday @ Strandbad Plötzensee @ https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2022/10/saturday-noon-at-para-yok-festival/
[19:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue759 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue759 :D
[19:55] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Add Notifications, Media Controls & Media Streams to GNOME Quick Settings @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/gnome-quick-settings-tweak-extension (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:56] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Uhm, looks like you applied the loco-events.py changes manually?  Because the colon should have changed to a hyphen..
[20:01] <krytarik> And I think "Old/weird laptops" and "KDE 5.26 gets a second point release" don't fit in the Press section, but rather should be moved to the Blogosphere.
[20:03] <krytarik> While the Ubuntu 22.10 review should go in the opposite direction.
[20:12] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Oh, you still using Sylpheed for mail?  Because from what you posted in the Discourse thread on the issue of Gmail and @ubuntu.com addresses, your issue is actually this: https://support.google.com/mail/thread/166394801/sylpheed-pop3-username-and-password-not-accepted?hl=en
[20:13] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Had the same thought for "Old/weird laptops" - however the source dictates for the Press section.
[20:14] <Bashing-om> jry looking about my Email client :P
[20:16] <krytarik> Why would being from Ars Technica dictate such? :o
[20:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Mind ya - not neing argumentive but arstechnica.com/ from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/LinkSuggestions is "press".
[20:28] <krytarik> Wow, seems I've never seen those listings until now.. :o  But nevertheless, I think we should rather follow the comments in the issue template about categorizing, than strictly base it on whatever that page lists a specific domain under.
[20:29] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack - will move em :D
[20:30] <krytarik> So really go by content rather than source on those third parties.
[20:33] <Bashing-om> krytarik: The hyphen in loco-events.py - is that line 89 to change from a colon ?
[20:36] <krytarik> Well, generally I'd prefer you keeping your local copy of the repo in sync with Git by using the tools on the latter, rather than trying to keep up with changes manually.. :3
[20:36] <krytarik> Which would really also be the easiest.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Not git literate though :D - run as " git fetch; git reset --hard origin/master " ?
[20:39] <krytarik> No, just "git pull" like I mentioned at the time I made the changes.
[20:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: looking :D
[20:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Hold my hand again - "git pull" >> error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge: Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge. >> Aborting // Should I then delete my current scripts before the "git pull" ?
[20:54] <krytarik> Yeah, I was afraid you got local changes on any of the scripts..  Could you pastebin a "git diff origin"?
[20:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Sure I can paste - made some changes to several scripts for "python3" - gimme a few as I have other irons too in my fires :D
[21:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: My "git diff origin" : https://termbin.com/uypi6 .
[21:07] <krytarik> Uhm, you'll have to pipe the output rather than copying it manually.. because that's not all yet.
[21:11] <krytarik> And if you hit PageDown or ArrowDown while in that screen, you'll also see the rest in the terminal.
[21:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yeah not all --- at the ":" awaiting input - // ^^ Oh ! OK ;;;seeing what happens with pageing :P
[21:15] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Like so: https://termbin.com/9l1e :D
[21:17] <krytarik> Interesting, so you missed out on a previous change too..  But otherwise there are no actual local changes, so you could go with the "hard reset" method here.
[21:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: excuse my ignorance - ^ what now is the command to run from my uwn/ directory ? git pull --hard reset ??
[21:25] <krytarik> "git reset --hard origin/master" - along the lines of what you pasted earlier.
[21:33] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :D ^ doing -
[21:48] <krytarik> https://git.launchpad.net/uwn/commit/?id=f166209f0078137f19a952d63620a42c4cfcd02f - fwiw, said previous change was to keep EOL notices and such off the update lists, as you can see was about 10 months ago and I've certainly also mentioned it (in addition to the notification by SwissBot), and was in response to said notices keeping on ending up in those lists.. and ever since I didn't feel a  ...
[21:48] <krytarik> ... particular need anymore to check the lists for those, so.. :/
[22:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: Summaries moved ^ and hyphens substituted in the loco list.
[22:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I expect now I am in complience with the UWN scripts :P
[22:02] <krytarik> Could do "git log" to make sure.
[22:08] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Nice read too :P


[07:40] <dreamon> Hello. it possible to hide titlebar. rightclick on titelbar and choose hide/off. but how can I make it visible again.?
[13:17] <aleza84> Hey, I just ticked the option to enable HDMI, and the bottom bar with the programs dissapeared
[13:17] <aleza84> I cant turn it off, any idea how can I fix this (disable hdmi) from console?


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <amireldor> Hello there LoCo teamers, I'm from the unapproved Israeli team and I need some helping in reapprova (as the current point-of-contact)l. We don't have a lot of activity, and many people are not active in the team anymore after moving to Fedora or openSuSE, but as a community regardless of operating system of choice we still have the best people in Israel.
[07:35] <amireldor> I am holding a meetup this Friday about improving our LoCo site, and I'm hoping to see some new faces I never met and to see how I can get them active
[07:35] <amireldor> or more actrive :)
[07:36] <amireldor> There's also a requirement of printing some CDs locally which I encourage some people to organize (I don't want all the activities to fall on my behalf)
[07:36] <amireldor> Well, I think my messages here are more of a "wish me luck" than a real request for help. If there are any directions I would be glad to hear.
[07:37] <amireldor> My only request would be, what should I do with the global Ubuntu community interaction. That's only watching out for the monthly team reports? Thanks!
[07:40] <commandoline> amireldor: using the loco directory is nice for that too, that way all meetings/events are visible for the global community easily. And good luck, hope it'll be a success :)
[07:41] <commandoline> oh, and did you see that the approved/unapproved process has been replaced? (http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/)
[07:41] <amireldor> commandoline, I've read the mail on that, but I will read the link you have given.
[07:42] <amireldor> Is the loco directory a place for 'local-only' events? It seems a bit daunting to put events that are not intended to be global there
[07:42] <commandoline> no need I think, the link is pretty much the same. Just wondering because you used the approved/unapproved wording in your messages.
[07:43] <amireldor> commandoline, actually the message I sent here is due to the approval email sent :)
[07:44] <commandoline> amireldor: we (dutch LoCo) put everything there. From IRC meetings to release parties, (online) workshops, etc. It doesn't do any harm and it's offers some nice functionality for e.g. keeping track of meeting logs & agenda.
[07:45] <amireldor> commandoline, i'll check the loco directory then. I recently managed to get a meetup.com group running for Israel's FOSS non-profit organization and as a small country I believe it should be enough to reach all the Ubuntu members
[07:46] <amireldor> but as I want to become re approved I will start using the loco services available as well


[00:03] <smoking-peanuts> I am trying to make a deb package (initially for myself) for the mesa project with a newer version of mesa than what I have seen on launchpad. I have looked up making a deb package but I wanted to know how should I discover what the package will depend on?
[00:05] <teward> smoking-peanuts: by reading through the dependencies for the given software
[00:05] <teward> i.e. by understanding what's needed to build from source
[00:05] <teward> and then add in the build depends.
[00:05] <teward> for runtime, understanding the dependencies necessary for it to run after built from source, same general thing.
[00:05] <teward> you can in theory use a preexisting package, if one exists, as a start point
[00:07] <smoking-peanuts> thanks.. that is what I was thinking but didn't know if I should be using a tool or something.. also thanks for giving me a starting point
[00:07] <teward> smoking-peanuts: unfortunately it's the same as if you were building from source and then running yourself
[00:07] <teward> at least from the creation of the deb package, anyways
[00:07] <teward> installation after a successfully built package, assuming all goes the way intended, is the Debian way
[00:11] <smoking-peanuts> teward so just to make sure I am understanding. normally I would run commands like .configure make make install and these commands would complain about what I needed to install and then I would build my list of what the unbuilt software  depended on?
[00:15] <teward> smoking-peanuts: or read upstream documentation.  but, if Mesa exists on LP somewhere, you may want to start with some packaging that already exists, and then read upstream documentation
[00:15] <teward> for whether there's new deps or not
[00:16] <teward> note i'm only quoting from what i've experienced - i am not, by far, a true expert on packaging, although I know my way around building-from-scratch
[00:18] <smoking-peanuts> what are you expressing makes complete sense and will be my next steps. thanks for dropping the knowledge. I also hope to be able to tell you of my success
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning


[10:59] <Pygi> _ion: found second patch perhaps?
[11:00] <Pygi> _ion: or is it the one we found earlier on the list?
[11:03] <Lathiat> JanC: ping
[11:03] <Lathiat> janc: unping
[11:03] <Kyral> lol
[11:03] <JanC>
[11:03] <Lathiat> (meant to type janimo, offline so tab complete failed me :)
[11:09] <_ion> pygi: Hm, there's some patch in here. http://madwifi.org/attachment/ticket/275/active-scan.patch
[11:10] <_ion> Linked from http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-February/msg00112.html
[11:10] <Pygi> _ion: that should probably be applied as well to enable 802.1x support
[11:10] <_ion> Here's the patch from Robert Love. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-February/msg00081.html
[11:12] <Pygi> _ion: most patches seem rather simple, so it shouldn't be a problem
[11:12] <_ion> Yep.
[11:12] <Pygi> disable-named-and-vpn-managers should be ported rather soon
[11:13] <_ion> Oh, i ported it.
[11:13] <_ion> I sent an email.
[11:14] <doko> mjg59: elilo ping
[11:14] <Pygi> _ion: o joy, you took my job :-P
[11:14] <_ion> :-)
[11:14] <Pygi> _ion: so we have applied all ubuntu patches now?
[11:15] <_ion> It would be nice to receive confirmation that the ported/recreated patches in the package are indeed okay.
[11:15] <_ion> Hm, let me see.
[11:15] <_ion> (Or, if they aren't, then we can fix them.)
[11:16] <Pygi> _ion: yes, but we can't know that until we patch drivers, and test it  out
[11:21] <_ion> Here's the patch situation: 10-dbus-api-fix: already in upstream. 20-linux-wlan-ng: "< pitti> _ion: 20-linux-wlan-ng.patch is my hack, if the others are cleared with Keybuk, then I will port that one". 30-blacklist-devices: not ported. 40-ubuntu-backend: ported, but waiting for confirmation from Keybuk. 50-disable-named-and-vpn-managers: ditto. 60-dispatch-more-events: not ported; looks like easy to port. 65-dispatcher-script-dir: ported. ...
[11:22] <_ion> ... 70-dont-deactivate-new-devices: ported.
[11:22] <Pygi> hm, k, so a few more to port
[11:22] <mdke> mjg59, when you come back, could you take a look at my mail about the doc freeze for 6.06, and maybe response / poke another TB person on it? Thanks
[11:23] <Pygi> _ion: all those are essential I suppose?
[11:26] <_ion> pygi: AFAIK 40-ubuntu-backend and 50-disable-named-and-vpn-managers were the *really* *essential* patches, but the others are there for a reason, so they probably should be ported as well.
[11:26] <Pygi> _ion: k, agreed
[11:27] <Pygi> _ion: can we get it all done by monday/tuesday perhaps, so we could put it for massive testing/reviewing?
[11:27] <_ion> Probably.
[11:28] <Pygi> k, great
[11:28] <_ion> I'll probably port 60-dispatch-more-events today, it seems very easy.
[11:29] <Pygi> _ion: my today is almost over ;)
[11:29] <_ion> Well, it's 00:29 here, but i woke up a while ago. :-)
[11:29] <Pygi> _ion: oh, 1 hour difference ;)
[11:29] <_ion> I might look at the blacklist stuff as well, if i'm not too tired.
[11:30] <_ion> I have been sick for quite a while, so i don't have very much energy, but i'll see what i can do.
[11:30] <Pygi> lemme see the blacklist patch
[11:30] <_ion> Ok.
[11:30] <Pygi> just rest, I can do some things as well
[11:31] <holycow> hey all
[11:31] <holycow> is sabayon being actively considered in ubuntu on any level?
[11:32] <_ion> 30-blacklist-devices.patch is simple, but it probably depends on some stuff from 40-ubuntu-backend.patch. I.e. in order to get that blacklist stuff working one needs to port it from both of those patches.
[11:32] <kent> holycow: its installed on my Dapper-computer. So I assume the answere is yes.  But read the topic about support
[11:32] <Seveas> sivang, ping
[11:33] <Burgwork> holycow, as part of gnome, it is available
[11:33] <Burgwork> holycow, it is not designed to be installed on every desktop
[11:33] <holycow> kent, indeed and noted, was curious where that project is going as its hard to get a peep out of anyone on that end of things
[11:34] <Pygi> _ion: kk
[11:35] <holycow> Burgwork, *nod*, we are piloting ubuntu here and wondering if ubuntu is considering it as 'nice to have' or 'integral part' of the desktop experience
[11:35] <Burgwork> holycow, sabayon is not the kind of project which attracts a lot of people
[11:35] <Burgwork> holycow, I would put it in the middle
[11:35] <holycow> okay
[11:36] <holycow> cool, good to get an opinion on this :)
[11:36] <Burgwork> holycow, I believe there is nobody working full time on sabayon
[11:36] <holycow> thats what it seems like *nod*
[11:37] <Seveas> Burgwork, would you mind coming to #ubuntu-meeting for a second?
[11:38] <holycow> thanks for the info Burgwork
[11:38] <Burgwork> holycow, np
[11:43] <Pygi> _ion: time to sleep...if you need anything , please mail me,ok?
[11:44] <_ion> pygi: Yeah, will do. G'night. :-)
[11:44] <Pygi> night to you as well _ion


[10:54] <erupter> hi guys, don't know if this is the right place
[10:54] <erupter> i wanted to suggest a modification of an ubuntu doc page
[10:55] <erupter> (instead of setting up an account I will seldom use)
[10:57] <erupter> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[10:57] <erupter> the swap page says
[10:57] <erupter> 'INFO: This will not work for 12.04, resume from hibernate work differently in 12.04.'
[10:57] <erupter> this may actually be true for the GRUB conf part
[10:57] <erupter> but there is also a part depicting how to modify  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[10:58] <erupter> which DOES ACTUALLY WORK with 12.04 (just did for me)
[10:58] <erupter> my hibernation wasn't working anymore since I modified the partition layout and thus changed the swap UUID
[10:59] <erupter> changed the resume to the new UUID and hibernation works again
[10:59] <erupter> or at least it appears to...