[03:34] <Spec[1] > does anyone have meeting logs for today's meeting?
[04:54] <bstc_ostl> Spec[1] :I have
[06:20] <Spec> bstc_ostl: any chance you can e-mail them to me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? :)
[06:25] <MarioMeyer> Spec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/CC_2006-03-07
[07:52] <ajmitch> another MOTU meeting for me to miss
[11:39] <BlueFish> hey all
[11:39] <BlueFish> I have a slight problem
[11:39] <BlueFish> I'm dual booting with windows XP and Ubuntu breezy
[11:40] <BlueFish> now this might be a WinXP problem, but I get errors when I plays sound
[11:43] <Seveas> BlueFish, this is not the support channel...
[11:44] <BlueFish> oh sorry
[11:44] <BlueFish> I'll come back with something more relevent.
[12:58] <flint> greetings, it is early and cold in Vermont...
[01:01] <JaneW> hi everyone
[01:01] <JaneW> who is here
[01:01] <JaneW> ?
[01:02] <flint> JaneW, flint is flint... good morning, my girl child is vacationing from school, life is hell
[01:03] <JaneW> ogra: get*back*here!
[01:03] <ogra> heh
[01:03] <ogra> but i dont have much to tell today ...
[01:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: you in the house?
[01:03] <JaneW> pips1_away had to leave
[01:03] <jelkner> JaneW: don't let him lie to you, she dragging him to concerts and stuff... life's a *blast*!
[01:03] <JaneW> is mhz, spacey or jsgotangco here?
[01:03] <JaneW> and no kjcole
[01:03] <JaneW> ok let start anyway
[01:04] <jelkner> kjcole was at FOSE
[01:04] <jelkner> he may not make it here today
[01:04] <JaneW> ogra: please start, can you do a quick 2 week summary, since I was away last week?
[01:04] <flint> I did see George Clinton last night (note not the ex-president:^)
[01:04] <ogra> hum ...
[01:04] <ogra> i need to dig up last week then ....
[01:05] <flint> JaneW, last week we ended the meeting early remember Ollie?
[01:05] <JaneW> ogra: ok just this week then if it's a problem
[01:05] <highvoltage> flint: uhm, your previous president was Bill Clinton, not George Clinton ;)
[01:05] <ogra> this week i was mainly busy with fixing gnome-screensaver bugs ... there is not much to tell for it ... last week i built the first edubuntu-docs package with highvoltages docs and cared for the CD
[01:06] <JaneW> highvoltage 's docs? what the tuXlabs troubleshoot guide?
[01:06] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan it should have been George Clinton.  P-Funk would have been his cabinet.
[01:06] <highvoltage> flint: :)
[01:06] <ogra> over the weekend i did the last ltsp merges fro other peoples branches, this was the last merge, now ltsp wont change much apart from bugsfixing
[01:06] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's pre-release updates to our howto, which included some Edubuntu stuff
[01:07] <flint> ogra, you got a flight to test?
[01:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: ogra cleaned it up a bit and packaged it, in order to achieve first draft status in time, iirc
[01:07] <JaneW> nice, thanks
[01:07] <ogra> flint, flights are announced on the mailing list
[01:07] <ogra> i doubt there will be one within this week ...
[01:07] <flint> ogra, just wanted you to know I am ready.
[01:07] <flint> :^)
[01:08] <ogra> note that producing a flight takes two full workdays for me ...
[01:08] <ogra> i cant bear to loose two days of a week currently
[01:08] <ogra> highvoltage, it has a bug, i'll fix it today
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: when do we expect the next flight? Next week possibly?
[01:08] <ogra> but feel free to send me changes
[01:09] <highvoltage> ogra: where can i get the ubuntu docs on my system?
[01:09] <flint> excellent work you two.  my only question is does the apt-get alter the default page of the browser to show the docs?
[01:09] <JaneW> how is our testing and bug fixing going this cycle?
[01:09] <ogra> JaneW, likely ... i dont know what Kamion does, i guess he wants espresso in shape before the next flight
[01:09] <flint> ..to reveal the docs...
[01:09] <JaneW> yes espresso is his main priority, infinity may do the next flight
[01:09] <ogra> highvoltage, /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ i think
[01:09] <highvoltage> flint: i would suggest that the main page link to the docs
[01:10] <highvoltage> ogra: ok thanks, i looked in /edubuntu-docs/
[01:10] <ogra> flint, it will
[01:10] <flint> highvoltage, bingo.  I know how to do this...
[01:10] <ogra> highvoltage, you asked for ubuntu-docs :)
[01:10] <flint> ogra, ...and so do you... thanks.
[01:11] <highvoltage> ogra: oops! ogra, I can't find the edubuntu docs :/
[01:11] <ogra> apart from that i'm currently fiddling with the artwork package
[01:11] <ogra> there must be 2 html pages
[01:11] <ogra> but they have a bug, the patch is wrong ... i havent looked into it yet
[01:12] <ogra> *path
[01:12] <ogra> if you cant find them, just get the source packlage
[01:12] <highvoltage> ogra: i got it, i think i was to hasty in getting there
[01:12] <ogra> apt-get source edubuntu-docs
[01:13] <spacey> hi ;o
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: how is the roadmap to the release looking? Do you want to publish something on the wiki?
[01:13] <JaneW> hi spacey
[01:13] <highvoltage> oosh. /me finds some old typos.
[01:13] <ogra> not yet ... i'm to busy with ubuntu stuff ...
[01:13] <highvoltage> ogra: can I just make changes to that html file, and send it back to you?
[01:13] <ogra> the screensaver still needs a lot of love
[01:13] <ogra> yup
[01:14] <ogra> thats why i picked html ...
[01:14] <highvoltage> ok excellent.
[01:14] <flint> ogra, I am really sorry I missed mdz's performance in London - not! :^)
[01:14] <ogra> we can convert it later into something sane
[01:14] <ogra> (and if we miss that we still have html :) )
[01:14] <highvoltage> yep :) (i'm completely fine with html)
[01:15] <ogra> oh, i'm working on a edubuntu menu logo, many people were intrested in that
[01:15] <highvoltage> ogra: about the testing, do you feel that we need more testing, and can you elaborate on where we need more testing?
[01:15] <JaneW> so where does that leave us ito the cook book?
[01:15] <ogra> highvoltage, all the time ...
[01:15] <flint> highvoltage, I standby ready to test.
[01:15] <JaneW> ogra: yay thanks - re logo, that will help
[01:16] <ogra> highvoltage, major area is ltap and indeed the edu stuff that distinguishes use from ubuntu
[01:16] <highvoltage> ogra: i've been testing it quite intensely for the last week or so, and I can't find new things that's wrong with it anymore
[01:16] <flint> ogra, ltap == ltsp?
[01:16] <ogra> JaneW, it doesnt look much different ... i even doubt people recognize the difference at this size ...
[01:16] <highvoltage> cross bewteen ldap and ltsp?"
[01:16] <ogra> flint, yes
[01:17] <flint> ogra, so inventing new protocols again eh? :^)
[01:17] <ogra> highvoltage, the fix for the ssh-key creation sould be in the package this week ... so there will be testinstalls needed
[01:17] <JaneW> ogra: I think ppl notice it's not right, but may not notice when it is...
[01:17] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[01:18] <jelkner> ogra: what does ltap stand for?
[01:18] <ogra> for a typo
[01:18] <flint> jelkner, it was a typo!!
[01:18] <jelkner> sorry ;-)
[01:18] <ogra> s is aside a on my keyboard ... :)
[01:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: on the cookbook question, i think that dapper won't include the entire cookbook, just the software and technical module updates from tuxlab howto 2.0
[01:19] <JaneW> ok, but does that mean all the other cook book effort was in vain, or will that still be used?
[01:19] <highvoltage> ogra: can you confirm that i'm correct there?
[01:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: it will still be used
[01:19] <jelkner> JaneW: have you seen the wiki?
[01:19] <ogra> highvoltage, yes
[01:19] <JaneW> ok, good
[01:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: the new modules will just be swallowed by the work already done
[01:20] <JaneW> jelkner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook ?
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, its just not ready enough yet ...
[01:20] <jelkner> JaneW: and it won't be by release
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: ok, so we can publish it on the wiki then etc
[01:20] <jelkner> the cookbook is shaping up to be a community document
[01:20] <ogra> but we wont ship without docs, thats why we coose the current path
[01:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: but we will have the basic documentation covered
[01:21] <jelkner> it will evolve as users submit "recipes" on how they use Edubuntu
[01:21] <JaneW> jelkner: ok, but let's not lose momentum and let it die out. It needs to be finished and used
[01:21] <JaneW> ok
[01:21] <highvoltage> which covers installation, troubleshooting, basic tweaking, some very basic administration, etc.
[01:21] <spacey> how to get online
[01:21] <spacey> :P
[01:21] <jelkner> JaneW: kevin and i plan to continue meeting to work on it
[01:21] <spacey> to look for more docs
[01:21] <ogra> hehe
[01:22] <jelkner> but it will be much easier for us *after* dapper is released
[01:22] <jelkner> we won't have to write about a moving target
[01:22] <highvoltage> i think the edubuntu cookbook is a big job, i have confidence in flint's drive in it
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: excellent, thank-you :))
[01:22] <ogra> jelkner, but everything you wrote is obsolete then
[01:22] <highvoltage> (and jelkner and kevin, of course) :)
[01:22] <ogra> since we have a new moving target
[01:22] <jelkner> ogra: why?
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: I thought you liked a challenge
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: but point taken
[01:23] <JaneW> jelkner: so you'll finish just in time to start the next version
[01:23] <highvoltage> perhaps it's just a bigger challenge for ogra to keep good backward compatibility with settings :)
[01:23] <JaneW> ?
[01:23] <jelkner> lol
[01:23] <highvoltage> this version is a bigger job than future versions,
[01:23] <spacey> anyway i fill fix up the hardware requirements page of the cookbook before next meeting
[01:23] <highvoltage> because the first version was based on K12-LTSP
[01:23] <ogra> jelkner, 80% of the stuff i'd have written for breezy would have to be wiped for dapper the distro changes with every release
[01:23] <spacey> that worksheet is completely empty btw
[01:23] <JaneW> spacey: thanks
[01:23] <highvoltage> once it's edubunturised, it will be easier to update
[01:23] <jelkner> as it grows, it will be easier to update
[01:23] <JaneW> oh and congrats to spacey
[01:23] <spacey> does it correspond with the work that has been done?
[01:23] <spacey> JaneW: thanks :)
[01:23] <JaneW> he was granted ubuntu memebership yesterday
[01:24] <highvoltage> what's currently the biggest challenge with the cookbook?
[01:24] <highvoltage> spacey: cool, congrats!
[01:24] <spacey> yey thanks
[01:24] <spacey> :P
[01:24] <jelkner> highvoltage: getting people to submit recipes
[01:24] <flint> never forget the groucho marx quote "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
[01:24] <flint> :^)
[01:24] <highvoltage> ah, right. it's more than just a howto, right? it contains a bunch of mini-howto's too?
[01:25] <jelkner> highvoltage: exactly
[01:25] <highvoltage> jelkner: i could get you some tuxlab-specific recipies, which could be modified.
[01:25] <jelkner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[01:25] <spacey> well you need to cover the basics first
[01:25] <mhz> spacey: wow! congrats!!
[01:25] <jelkner> highvoltage: go for it
[01:25] <spacey> mhz: ty:)
[01:26] <highvoltage> jelkner: i'll try to have it upline before the end of the meeting
[01:26] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <<-- almost empty
[01:26] <highvoltage> *online
[01:27] <flint> spacey, congratulations on the membership btw...
[01:27] <spacey> ty
[01:27] <flint> ok, regarding the book, I think what you lack is an editor.
[01:28] <highvoltage> flint: i thought you were the editor?
[01:28] <jelkner> flint: kevin and i will do that
[01:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: no jelkner and kjcole are editing
[01:28] <flint> highvoltage, see what i mean?  writers love to be editors...
[01:28] <spacey> jelkner: maybe add an extra column which describes the status(completed, wip, etc) for each chapter to the worksheet.
[01:28] <flint> like programmers love to be developers...
[01:28] <JaneW> spacey: that's a good idea
[01:28] <jelkner> good idea, spacey, i'll add that presently...
[01:29] <highvoltage> flint: if i love to create, what does that make me?
[01:29] <JaneW> jelkner: : you can use my cool colours too
[01:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: a father?
[01:29] <JaneW> *duck*
[01:29] <flint> jelkner, you are the writer, not the editor.  an editor manages the work.
[01:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: eh.. not yet, no :)
[01:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: sorry, just kidding
[01:29] <highvoltage> :)
[01:29] <flint> JaneW, you do as good a job of this as anyone... but I would say your plate is full.
[01:30] <JaneW> I could look at *some* of it
[01:30] <highvoltage> you know, when it comes to writing, there's nothing like a bit of pressure
[01:30] <JaneW> but can;t volunteer for the whole job as I'd never manage to finish it
[01:30] <flint> highvoltage, it makes you a jewel, a pearl of rare price...
[01:30] <highvoltage> what about setting a deadline, even if it's unreasonable, for say, the end of April for a complete first draft?
[01:31] <jelkner> ok, status column is there.  kjcoloe and i will update that this sunday
[01:31] <spacey> maybe also add some quality control, personally i think each chapter should at least be checked twice by other persons. a tech person and a grammer nazi.
[01:31] <highvoltage> and then we make someone like flint the editor and give him the whip?
[01:31] <flint> highvoltage, indeed a writer needs a fixed goal.
[01:31] <flint> highvoltage, oh i so much prefer the blade...
[01:31] <highvoltage> spacey: absolutely
[01:31] <highvoltage> flint: that can be arranged
[01:32] <flint> JaneW, or deadline is march 26 or so.  where is that url?
[01:32] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[01:32] <flint> thank you jane
[01:32] <JaneW> March 23rd
[01:32] <JaneW> Doc Freeze
[01:33] <spacey> so
[01:33] <highvoltage> i don't think it's realistic that a high-quality, finished document will be available by then :/
[01:33] <flint> JaneW, indeed i misspoke from memory.
[01:33] <spacey> thats hard work :P
[01:34] <flint> highvoltage, you can have it good, cheap or fast.  pick two.
[01:34] <highvoltage> flint: good, cheap
[01:35] <highvoltage> perhaps we should arrange another meeting for docs?
[01:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: time to move on?
[01:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[01:35] <JaneW> ok, web site?
[01:35] <highvoltage> sure.
[01:35] <highvoltage> the proto.edubuntu.org.za is set up
[01:36] <JaneW> but we can't see it...
[01:36] <highvoltage> i'll send the username and passowrd to everyone with gpg keys on launchpad soon
[01:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok thanks :)
[01:36] <highvoltage> there's not much to see at the moment, Znarl could only give me login access to the server today
[01:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: so how does it look?
[01:36] <highvoltage> so the theming fun will only start from now
[01:36] <JaneW> oic
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: like a very dull plain drupal site
[01:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: have you got your ideas worked out?
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: due to change shortly
[01:37] <JaneW> great
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, mostly.
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: i haven't worked out how they'll fit in with philips plans, but we'll make it work.
[01:37] <JaneW> ok, are the 2 of you in contact?
[01:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, almost every day
[01:38] <JaneW> there are only about 5 weeks to get everything sorted, with Easter in between
[01:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: excellent thanks
[01:38] <highvoltage> Easter is probably when I'll get the bulk of it done
[01:38] <highvoltage> i'd like to get the theming and layout sorted ASAP
[01:38] <JaneW> oh... yay then
[01:38] <highvoltage> and then pump in content, especially over easter
[01:38] <highvoltage> when people stop bothering me
[01:39] <JaneW> are you wroking independently from the official 6.04 theme?
[01:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: also we are thinking about using that wallpaper I showed earlier - esp if the guy tones it down a notch
[01:40] <highvoltage> i looked at the style-guides, apart from that, i haven't seen a 6.04 theme yet
[01:40] <JaneW> for the young version anyway
[01:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think he'll need to tone it down quite drastically, it won't look nice in a lab if it's repeated over 20+ PC's, but i'll send him my suggestions as well
[01:41] <JaneW> ogra: which one will be the dfeault again? the older one?
[01:41] <highvoltage> ogra: with theming, at one stage it was discussed that debconf will ask which art set you want. is that dapper+1? (i'm thinking cd space here)
[01:41] <ogra> JaneW, mid age+
[01:41] <highvoltage> edubuntu girl :)
[01:41] <JaneW> ogra: right
[01:41] <ogra> highvoltage, nope
[01:42] <ogra> we'll install mid age by default
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: so that wouldn't be in a lab unless the young one is chosen
[01:42] <highvoltage> ok.
[01:42] <ogra> the admin can dpkg-reconfigure the edubuntu-artwork package
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: I expect home users are more loikely to chose the young install
[01:42] <highvoltage> ogra: will all the wallpapers be installed by default, so that a user can choose another one?
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: but can you contact him? or should I?
[01:42] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[01:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: I don't mind contacting him
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool thanks - you have a better artistic eye too :)
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: I think i will regardless, but you can contact him too if you want
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[01:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: you negotiate the changes, and I'll negotioate that he's happy we ship with it (if we do). Ok?
[01:43] <JaneW> flint: and you will be happy that it's diversity sensitive
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes sir!
[01:43] <highvoltage> erm.. mam!
[01:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll check with the diversification as well ;)
[01:44] <highvoltage> but we can make sure that the others are happy too
[01:44] <flint> JaneW, absolutely.
[01:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: we'll def get a vote on it first
[01:44] <JaneW> it will NOT be on my head this time
[01:45] <highvoltage> JaneW: of course
[01:45] <JaneW> we are talking about a modification of this btw http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png
[01:45] <JaneW> for the Junior wallpaper
[01:46] <highvoltage> i'm going to suggest that he makes the heads much smaller, put them at the left halfway in the brown part
[01:46] <highvoltage> with the edubuntu logo at the right
[01:46] <highvoltage> then make the hill smaller, and add some more hills
[01:46] <highvoltage> and put the rainbow on the hill thats closest to the edubuntu logo.
[01:46] <ogra> be carefull with the red logo on the green background
[01:46] <highvoltage> something like that, and then we modify from there
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra: yeah, the edubuntu logo will have to be more or less completely in the brown
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: are we very strict that the edubuntu logo should keep its colours?
[01:47] <ogra> or add a drop shadow if you put it on green ... just dont put it plain into the green
[01:47] <highvoltage> if you look at the Ubuntu wallpaper, they modified the logo to fit in with the wallpaper
[01:48] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. i agree.
[01:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes the logo is the logo now, we can;t tinker with it
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: so yo are saying he must totally change it! lol (but I agree)
[01:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, not totally change it, just possible fade it, or make the colours more neutral
[01:50] <JaneW> yup, agreed
[01:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: like Ubuntu's artwork
[01:50] <JaneW> the hues on the current wall paper are nice
[01:50] <highvoltage> they are. they remind me of mario brothers, somehow. makes me nostalgic.
[01:50] <mhz> :)
[01:51] <highvoltage> it has an element of fun that other distro's don't have
[01:51] <JaneW> yup
[01:51] <JaneW> it's very discriminatory though
[01:51] <JaneW> makes me feel marginalised
[01:52] <JaneW> because they have no noses ;)
[01:52] <JaneW> lol
[01:52] <mhz> lol  -->  EdubuntuGirl_1024x76..> 31-Dec-1969 19:00   56K
[01:52] <JaneW> mhz: oh!
[01:52] <JaneW> gosh, ok edubuntu - the distro with no nose
[01:53] <ogra> damned
[01:53] <ogra> we'll get tons of complaints again
[01:54] <mhz> highvoltage: when I could finally upload/submit 1 wallpaper for edubuntu dapper (1 month ago or so) it was never shown. Was that too ugly? Then I tried to upload 2 more... unsuccessfully
[01:54] <highvoltage> ogra: we'll just cut off their noses, then they can't complain
[01:54] <JaneW> ok, do we have anymore real topics to discuss?
[01:54] <highvoltage> mhz: the people on your wallpapers had noses. this is unacceptable!
[01:54] <mhz> lol
[01:54] <highvoltage> mhz: where did you upload it, can we have a look again?
[01:55] <mhz> highvoltage: a.u.c
[01:55] <JaneW> mhz: to the artwork site?
[01:55] <mhz> it took me like 10 minutes to figure out how to do it :(
[01:55] <JaneW> mhz: they were prolly never processes - I will log in and look...
[01:56] <mhz> JaneW: it is ok, I usually end up disliking my ideas for artwork when I look at them after 2 weeks :)
[01:56] <ogra> yeah they need an admin to promote them
[01:56] <JaneW> hrm, if I find my login I will do it
[01:56] <ogra> just FYI:
[01:56] <mhz> lol
[01:56] <ogra> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en
[01:56] <ogra> thats the download stats for the swedish mirror
[01:57] <ogra> according to it, edubuntu was downloaded 842005 times sucessfully from there between 3 NOV and today
[01:57] <ogra> err yesterday
[01:58] <mhz> hmm, why there are 5 wallpapers dated 1969, same person?
[01:58] <ogra> they are from the early days of ubuntu ;)
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: is that little or lot?\
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: lol
[01:58] <highvoltage> ogra: oh my word, that's a *lot* of edubuntu downloads!
[01:58] <ogra> eighthundrethousand ?
[01:58] <ogra> is that little or lot ?
[01:59] <ogra> :)
[01:59] <mhz> ooohhhhhhh, times downloaded!!!!?????
[01:59] <highvoltage> it's more than 9 terrabytes of download, if i read correctly
[01:59] <ogra> we're still 40000 behind Kubuntu :)
[01:59] <mhz> (more than usual)
[02:00] <mhz> ogra: could that info be wrong?
[02:00] <mhz> or not accurate?
[02:00] <ogra> unlikely
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: oh we told silbs 100 000, when we should have said 1 000 000
[02:00] <mhz> maybe 'tries' to be donwloaded?
[02:00] <JaneW> but that sounds WAY too high to me
[02:00] <ogra> thats a very big university, i think they get the stats for their servers right
[02:01] <ogra> JaneW, look in #c :)
[02:01] <ogra> i dont think the stats are wrong ...
[02:01] <ogra> (we might interpret them wrongly though... but i doubt that)
[02:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: in this case, our estimates of a few thousand was way pesimistic this morning :)
[02:01] <JaneW> ogra: what you posted here is magnitude of 10 more
[02:01] <ogra> yes
[02:02] <ogra> but what we looked at was a weekly stat
[02:02] <JaneW> goeie genaade!
[02:02] <ogra> so it sounds about right
[02:03] <mhz> JaneW: will edubuntu be shipped this tiem?
[02:03] <mhz> time
[02:03] <mhz> highvoltage: c ya
[02:03] <ogra> yes
[02:03] <flint> later jonathan!!!
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: not yet official
[02:03] <ogra> only the install CD though
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: but a probable yes
[02:03] <JaneW> *bounce*
[02:04] <JaneW> bye highvoltage
[02:04] <ogra> (make that a *very* likely)
[02:04] <JaneW> thank-you
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: what does this depend on?
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz: management
[02:04] <ogra> mhz, management decisions
[02:04] <mhz> again?
[02:04] <mhz> hehehe
[02:04] <ogra> always
[02:05] <ogra> but its pretty sure already that we'll get it
[02:05] <JaneW> mhz: that's how companies work :P
[02:05] <mhz> will ubuntu design guys provide CD artwork?
[02:05] <mhz> ubuntu = caninial
[02:05] <mhz> canonical
[02:06] <mhz> .oO(sloppy fingers!)
[02:09] <mhz> hello?
[02:09] <JaneW> mhz: I *think* so
[02:09] <JaneW> ok is this meeting over?
[02:09] <ogra> i'd think so
[02:10] <JaneW> mhz: but if the compnay ships them officially, I think the packaging will be official too
[02:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good timing :P
[02:10] <ogra> even jsgotangco comes to clean up the room ... must be over
[02:10] <ogra> :)
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: hahaha
[02:10] <mhz> JaneW: then, no need to provide it via community?
[02:11] <JaneW> mhz: not AFAIK
[02:11] <jsgotangco> eh?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> i just finished the day with an edubuntu talk
[02:11] <ogra> cool :)
[02:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, you missed the download stats look for edubuntu: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en
[02:12] <ogra> :)
[02:12] <jsgotangco> nnohting to report for me for now till i make an upload this weekend
[02:12] <spacey> :)
[02:12] <jsgotangco> i'll make you guys busy next week
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ZOMG
[02:13] <jsgotangco> Average Bytes Transmitted Daily	2,411,884,642,509
[02:13] <sivang> still edubuntu? :)
[02:13] <flint> sivang, we are just breaking up...
[02:13] <flint> JaneW, expect an email. sksk
[02:16] <JaneW> sksk?
[02:16] <JaneW> thanks everyone
[02:17] <jsgotangco> cheers


[10:26] <eli_> How do I keep the unity toolbar from poping out every time I go to use the back button on maximized browser?
[12:07] <AlanBell> eli_: in unity3d you can configure itso the launcher says out
[12:40] <JanC> you can configure Compiz to wait a little bit before screen side/corner activation, which IME helps to avoid accidental activation
[12:41] <JanC> the tricky bit is finding how long to wait though; if you set it too high, it gets annoying too, of course  ;)
[13:55] <mhall119> mhr3: can I request a DBus method for querying the list of categories?
[13:55] <mhall119> a list of filters would be nice to, but right now I just need the category
[14:01] <mhr3> mhall119, what would be the use case?
[14:02] <mhr3> scopes are tied to lenses, the category list is considered given
[14:02] <mhr3> similar to filters
[14:08] <mhall119> mhr3: but scope code can exist outside of the lens
[14:08] <mhall119> but it needs to know what categories there are when building the results
[14:13] <mhr3> mhall119, what would it really do with the localized strings identifying categories?
[14:14] <mhr3> as i said they should be considered constants for a particular lens
[14:22] <davidcalle> mhr3, do you know what are Mikkel plans for the new home dash?  Right now, it separates categories from single lenses, without any reference to the parent lens (for example, I have categories named "Messages", "Replies", "Images", from the Gwibber lens, without any visual reference to the Gwibber lens)
[14:22] <mhall119> ok, so singlet does things a little differently, I'm looking at just building in a meta-data service to singlet lenses
[14:36] <mhr3> davidcalle, unfortunately design wanted to do "magic" with categories in the global search, so right now lenses register extra categories (with a title that suggest something aggregated) and scopes use this special category during global search
[14:37] <mhr3> like files lens has special "Files and Folders" category
[14:40] <davidcalle> Ok, i didn't noticed the new cat. So things need to be changed in lenses/scopes. I think it's pretty nice actually to pass several cats to the Home Dash, the cat name + icon just need to be adapted.
[14:42] <mhall119> mhr3: is there some documentation about how to define these "magic" categories?
[14:43] <mhr3> mhall119, there's nothing magic about them, it's just that you use them based on the search type
[15:06] <mhall119> ah, ok
[16:00] <mhall119> mhr3: are Lenses and scopes exported to the SessionBus, or something different?
[16:02] <mhall119> I'm trying to expose a dbus service object from singlet, and have it reachable by a scope from a different process
[16:20] <mhr3> mhall119, yea, they are
[16:20] <mhall119> ok, I'm doing something wrong then.... :(
[16:20] <mhall119> mhr3: know of any good tutorials for python-dbus?
[16:20] <mhr3> mhall119, that's what the export() method does :)
[16:21] <mhall119> .export is from the gobject thought, right?
[16:21] <mhall119> from Unity.Lens and Unity.Scope
[16:21] <mhall119> I'm making a python class that I want to expose via dbus
[16:25] <mhr3> i saw a comment somewhere suggesting that mixing python-dbus and gdbus is a very bad idea
[16:25] <mhall119> :(
[16:26] <mhall119> All I want is a way to reference a lens's category without having to know the index number for it
[16:26] <mhall119> which is easy when they're in the same code
[16:26] <mhall119> or when I can lookup the python code for the lens from the scope code
[16:27] <mhr3> mhall119, wouldn't that make singlet unusable with non-singlet lenses?
[16:27] <mhall119> yes
[16:28] <mhall119> well, you still could use a singlet scope with non-singlet lens, you'd just have to know the category index numbers for the lens
[16:28] <mhall119> rather than having a developer friendly name
[16:29] <mhall119> and you'd have to update your scope if the lens author changes category index order
[16:29] <mhr3> i'd say just provide a method to manually register the categories
[16:29] <mhall119> what do you mean?
[16:30] <mhr3> you're not going to get a "safe" way to deal with it
[16:30] <mhr3> if the categories change, who's to say the filters didn't change
[16:30] <mhr3> or whatever
[16:31] <mhall119> I was going to do something similar for filters, actually
[16:31] <mhall119> I just want to let scope developers say a result belongs in self.lens.teams
[16:31] <mhall119> rather than a result belongs in 0
[16:31] <mhr3> what is it good for? the scope won't work properly if it wasn't implemented for the filters that are in the lens *now*
[16:31] <mhall119> it's strictly for developer convenience and tooling
[16:32] <mhall119> mhr3: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~singlet-developers/singlet/trunk/view/head:/test/singlescope line 21
[16:33] <mhall119> i want to do something similar in a scope that's outside the lens
[16:34] <mhr3> mhall119, my suggestion is "cat1 = InheritedCategory(3)"
[16:35] <mhr3> imo that's as far as you can get convenience-wise
[16:35] <mhr3> scopes can't register categories anyway
[16:35] <mhall119> yeah, but that still requires the scope developer to know what order the categories are defined in the lens, and to update their scope if the order of categories changes
[16:36] <mhall119> which is what I was hoping to avid
[16:36] <mhall119> avoid
[16:37] <mhr3> to reiterate my point - if the order of categories changes you're screwed no matter what, the lens changed and you need to look at the changes again
[16:37] <mhall119> why would you be screwed?
[16:37] <mhall119> if I changed it so cat2 came before cat1
[16:38] <mhr3> what if the category is now something completely different?
[16:39] <mhall119> in the code I posted above, as long as cat1 exists, the scope part continues to work as expected
[16:39] <mhall119> doesn't matter if it comes first or second
[16:39] <mhall119> because self.cat1 resolves itself to the index number at runtime
[16:40] <mhall119> so the scope code doesn'tneed to know the index at the time it is written
[16:40] <mhr3> i agree that the categories show have been looked at, i think it would make sense to create new ones from scopes, but that's not the case, and most likely won't change until unity-6.0
[16:41] <mhall119> I don't want to create new ones in the scopes, I just want to expose the singlet lens's name->index map
[16:41] <mhr3> you can't do it cleanly
[16:42] <mhall119> because of the python-dbus/gdbus problems?
[16:42] <mhall119> because I woould do it completely outside of libunity
[16:42] <mhr3> the latter
[16:42] <mhall119> I'm trying to do this in singlet
[16:43] <mhall119> I have a singlet Lens object that knows the name->index map
[16:43] <mhall119> I'm just trying to expose that over dbus, so that my singlet Scopes can query it
[16:43] <mhr3> so how is it going to deal with l10n?
[16:44] <mhall119> it's not, there are no user-viewable strings
[16:44] <mhall119> just a variable name and index number
[16:44] <mhr3> then it's again not going to work with all lenses
[16:45] <mhr3> therefore falls into un-clean category
[16:45] <mhall119> the convenience won't be there
[16:45] <mhr3> you're adding complexity then
[16:45] <mhall119> but you  can replace self.lens.cat1 with 0, and it'll work with non-singlet lenses
[16:45] <mhr3> singlet dev: why is this working here, but not there?
[16:45] <mhall119> yeah, I guess I'm trying too hard on this
[16:46] <mhall119> I just hate the idea of a scope author defining lens constants in their code
[16:47] <mhr3> yea, it kinda sucks... but it's needed atm
[21:17] <mhall119> hmmm, I somehow have unity3d and unity2d running at the same time...
[21:26] <thumper> :)
[21:34] <varikonniemi> hello. There seems to be a problem with unity not being capable of hiding the window decoration when maximizing a windowed spring
[21:35] <varikonniemi> this is how it looks when maximized: https://imgur.com/Nb5hz
[21:45] <JanC> varikonniemi: what's a "windowed spring"?
[21:46] <varikonniemi> spring rts engine running in windowed mode
[21:47] <JanC> looks like the "title bar" in that screenshot is application drawn, or is that your default theme?
[21:47] <varikonniemi> yes its my default theme
[21:49] <varikonniemi> i can trick it to work by repeatedly clicking that maximize button. However immediately after it has drawn one frame properly maximized, spring crashes with sigsegv
[21:51] <JanC> it could be a bug in either Spring or the graphics driver, I guess...
[21:52] <varikonniemi> http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27563&p=512643#p512643 here is a thread i posted about the issue, and a stacktrace if that could help you hunt the problem down.
[21:54] <JanC> varikonniemi: I'm a user myself mostly, but maybe someone can use that info
[21:54] <JanC> varikonniemi: maybe best to file a bug also
[21:55] <varikonniemi> yeah, thats why i came here, so the developers could be aware of this problem. And possibly fix it if the problem is on ubuntus side. Spring is probably the best rts engine for opensource at the moment, it would be a shame if something as trivial as this slipped through into precise.
[21:56] <JanC> well, first thing to determine would be who's "fault" this is  ;)
[21:57] <JanC> (without blaming anybody personally, of course, but determining where the fix should go)
[21:58] <varikonniemi> well, reportedly it does work in gnome-shell correctly
[21:58] <varikonniemi> i think i will install gnome shell on my computer so i can try it out for myself and possibly narrow it down
[21:59] <JanC> varikonniemi: "it works with ..." is no proof of correctness, of course...
[21:59] <JanC> and might even depend on hardware/drivers... :-/
[22:08] <mhall119> mhr3: any idea what this means:   libunity-WARNING **: unity-scope-proxy-remote.vala:104: Unable to connect to Scope (/unity/singlet/lens/community/locoteams @ unity.singlet.lens.community.locoteams): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface `com.canonical.Unity.Scope' on object at path /unity/singlet/lens/community/locoteams
[22:09] <mhall119> davidcalle: ^^
[22:09] <mhr3> mhall119, did you call export on the scope?
[22:10] <mhr3> does the dbus path match?
[22:10] <mhall119> yeah
[22:10] <mhr3> the lens doesn't think so
[22:11] <mhr3> also is the scope running or are you utilizing dbus activation?
[22:11] <mhall119> my scope's __init__ is calling:
[22:11] <mhall119> self._scope = Unity.Scope.new ("%s" % self._meta.bus_path)
[22:11] <mhall119> I'm running the scope as a daemon
[22:12] <mhr3> so the daemon was running when you started the lens?
[22:13] <varikonniemi> yeah, in gnome-shell it works perfectly also on my computer, so i really suspect the problem lies with unity
[22:13] <mhall119> mhr3: I killed the locoteams-scope process and started it again, then got that error
[22:14] <mhr3> mhall119, so the scope is working properly now?
[22:15] <mhall119> nothing is quite working yet
[22:16] <mhr3> cause if you kill the daemon the lens will try to connect to it again
[22:16] <mhr3> if it can't do that you'll see ^^
[22:17] <mhr3> but it may also mean that you export the scope too late
[22:17] <mhr3> it should be up right after dbus connection is acquired
[22:18] <mhr3> but if you just call export soon enough, that shouldn't be an issue
[22:21] <mhall119> mhr3: how about GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion `object_path != NULL && g_variant_is_object_path (object_path)' failed
[22:21] <mhall119> from the lens daemon
[22:21] <mhr3> yea, that's bad
[22:21] <mhall119> when I start it
[22:22] <mhr3> make sure you aren't using dashes in the object path
[22:22] <mhr3> dbus doesn't like that
[22:22] <mhall119> there shouldn't be
[22:22] <mhr3> what do you pass as the object path?
[22:24] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/821946/ is from pdb
[22:25] <mhall119> I assume it's okay for a lens to be 'unity.singlet.lens.community' and a separate scope to be 'unity.singlet.lens.community.locoteams'
[22:26] <mhr3> mhall119, you're passing the path to the lens constructor, right?
[22:26] <mhr3> not the name
[22:28] <mhall119> well crap
[22:28] <mhall119> good catch
[22:30] <davidcalle> mhall119, I've seen this one.
[22:31] <mhall119> davidcalle: mhr3 got me (mostly) sorted, I was passing the wrong dbus info
[22:32] <davidcalle> mhall119, yeah, I've just seen it, Xchat wasn't scrolled to the bottom :)
[22:54] <mhall119> davidcalle: how sould we deal with a lens or scope that uses a separate python file?
[22:55] <mhall119> for example, I have locodir.py that's a thin client for the LTP json API
[22:56] <mhall119> I guess these will all go into wherever in /opt the lens executable goes, huh?
[22:58] <mhall119> mhr3: davidcalle: what signal should I connect to in order to do a search and fill results when the user clicks on the lens, but hasn't entered anything yet?
[23:00] <mhr3> mhall119, search-changed
[23:04] <mhall119> mhr3: I have that, but it's not calling my search
[23:07] <mhall119> can I no longer use http urls for the icon field in the response?
[23:12] <mhr3> mhall119, it should work fine, you'll get it just once though, not everytime you switch to your lens
[23:27] <davidcalle> mhall119, sorry, was out. Yes, everything but the .service, .lens or .scope, in /opt/folder
[23:42] <mhall119> mhr3: passing https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~ubuntu-us-florida/mugshot in the icon's place of the result model doesn't put that image on the item in the dash
[23:43] <mhall119> it worked in oneiric
[23:45] <mhr3> that would be an issue inside unity itself
[23:45] <mhr3> it works with music lens though... and it's using http uris for the icons as well
[23:47] <davidcalle> I can confirm that I'm using http icons all the time, on Precise. Home Dash & lens view.
[23:47] <mhall119> mhr3: hmm, it doesn't seem to show cover art for anything but what I have locally on the music lens
[23:47] <mhr3> mhall119, what can i say... works here :)
[23:47] <mhall119> dang, I hate "can't reproduce" bugs
[23:48] <mhr3> same
[23:48] <mhr3> mhall119, are you behind a proxy by any chance?
[23:48] <mhall119> nope
[23:48] <davidcalle> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/ppa/+packages can you try the grooveshark scope for Precise and tell me if you see the icons?
[23:49] <davidcalle> Ok... I don't see http icons anymore. It was fine 5 minutes ago :)
[23:50] <mhall119> heh
[23:50] <mhall119> davidcalle: will I need to restart unity to get the grooveshark scope?
[23:51] <davidcalle> mhall119, killall unity-music-daemon
[23:51] <davidcalle> mhall119, that should do it. No need to restart Unity.
[23:51] <mhall119> what should I try searching for
[23:52] <mhr3> bschaefer, ping?
[23:52] <davidcalle> anything you want in the Music lens.
[23:53] <mhall119> no pretty covers
[23:53] <davidcalle> mhall119, but results?
[23:54] <mhall119> yes
[23:54] <davidcalle> Ok
[23:54] <mhall119> not sure where they're coming from
[23:54] <mhall119> but I see results
[23:54] <mhall119> some results have cover art, most do not
[23:54]  * davidcalle has restarted Unity, http icons are back...
[23:55] <mhall119> how do you restart unity now, setsid unity, unity --replace, killall -9 compiz?
[23:55] <davidcalle> mhall119, I've noticed that when I search for the same thing a second time, cover art that wasn't here appears.
[23:56] <thumper> cover art is loaded asynchronously
[23:56] <davidcalle> mhall119, I alway do altf2 unity --replace


 @julienlavergne It might fix the dhcpcd problems if you were to release the changes you made in lp:lubuntu-default-settings to the archive. ;)
 @julienlavergne In my mind, it justifies the release.
 @tsimonq2, Not sure, the change should only autostart dhcpcd
 @julienlavergne, Which should probably fix the issue.
 Well you told me the bug was still here when you start the stuff
 Or wxl, I don't remember
 That was me. :)
 Well my theory is that if dhcpcd is running, it won't take 5 minutes to boot the image, and it will use dhcpcd instead of manager.
 s/manager/nm/
 I'll push it tonight, it's harmless now after the alpha release
 Sure, great :)
 But while you're here, I'd also like to talk to you about lubuntu-default-settings in general.
 @julienlavergne Do we still support those extra sessions, and would you have any reservations/hesitations about removing them?
 i.e. lxgames and nexus7
 The ones on the extra packages ? Why ? Are they broken ?
 Not as far as I can tell.
 But to be fair, I haven't tried it lately.
 As long as it's working, no need to worry :-)
 Sure, I'm just wondering if we still need to keep a Nexus 7 session around ;)
 Anyways, I was wondering if you would be opposed to playing with the package and at minimum splitting the Qt default settings from the GTK ones and maybe having like a "share" or a "common" package. The reason for doing this is because it seems the Qt image pulls in a minimal LXDE session because of this package,
 That could be renaming "touch screen session" :-)
 @julienlavergne, sure ;)
 @tsimonq2, @julienlavergne So would you be opposed to me playing with this and sending you a merge proposal? :)
 @tsimonq2, Not yet
 Oh?
 The problem on the Qt image should be fixed by playing with recommends/suggests
 I think I commit something already in lubuntu-default-settings
 @julienlavergne, But won't packages not be installed when on the GTK image, or are all of the packages it depends on in the seed already?
 Also, we have to move the settings to put them on only 1 directory, it's currently too messy
 Sure
 If we need to split, we can do it at this moment, to avoid too many Breaks/Replaces
 You mean, at the same time as splitting?
 @tsimonq2, They should be on the gtk image, if not we have to add them
 @julienlavergne, Ok
 @tsimonq2, Yes
 Alright.
 @julienlavergne So what would you like to do from here? Should we fix the Qt image first then move to reorganization, or do it all at once?
 Let's see after the tonight update of lubuntu-default-settings
 @julienlavergne, ack
 Thanks Julien!
[11:41] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.3] (20170801) has been added
[11:41] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.3] (20170801) has been added
 General warning / announcement : if the daily iso are broken tomorrow (don't boot on graphical session), ping me so I can fix my mess :-)
[18:40] <redwolf> boss, I need to know how much time Artwork has before freezing
 @redwolf, UI freeze is on September 14th
[21:24] <redwolf> Nice. I have trillions of things to do!
[21:25] <redwolf> Like figuring out how to activate Kvantum on start-up
[21:25] <redwolf> And improve the gtk theme. I already have the code from canonical


[12:18] <Bluekuja> mhz: hello :)
[12:19] <mhz> Bluekuja: buona cera
[12:19] <mhz> sera
[12:19] <Bluekuja> hehehe
[12:19] <Bluekuja> sometimes in italy to say buona sera we just say sera
[12:20] <Bluekuja> so something like
[12:20] <Bluekuja> sera mauricio
[12:20] <Bluekuja> .)
[12:20] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:20] <Bluekuja> how was your day?
[12:21] <mhz> so far, very peaceful
[12:22] <Bluekuja> good :)
[12:38] <lns> heeeeeeeelp! =)
[12:38] <mhz> lns: ?
[12:39] <lns> I just finished apt-get dist-upgrading (Dapper Flight 6) and did an 'rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386', and then a 'ltsp-build-client'
[12:39] <lns> now during the dist-upgrade, i was running kernel *-15, not *-20 (which is newest)
[12:39] <lns> now every time i try to boot a terminal it tries *-15 and crashes out :(
[12:40] <lns> what am i missing?
[12:40] <lns> i'm running *-20 now
[12:40] <lns> 2.6.15-20 that is (and 2.6.15-19, sorry)
[12:43] <lns> it's complaining about not finding /lib/modules/2.6.15-19/modules.dep
[12:44] <lns> but i did ltsp-build-client under 2.6.15-20, so for some reason it's still trying to load the old kernel
[12:46] <lns> can anyone help? pleeeeeease..i'm a sitting duck and i have kids pouting :(
[12:48] <Bluekuja> i havent understand too^^
[12:48] <Bluekuja> i go to bed
[12:48] <lns> ogra_ibook !! ;)
[12:48] <crimsun> pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:49] <Bluekuja> goodnight to all channel
[12:49] <mhz> buona notte, Bluekuja
[12:49] <Bluekuja> and buona notte to mhz
[12:49] <Bluekuja> great man!!!
[12:49] <mhz> see?
[12:49] <mhz> fast learner
[12:49] <Bluekuja> yeah really nice
[12:49] <Bluekuja> ill teach you more
[12:49] <Bluekuja> day by day
[12:49] <Bluekuja> ;)
[12:49] <mhz> domani
[12:49] <Bluekuja> cya all
[12:49] <mhz> hmm
[12:50] <Bluekuja> its ci vediamo domani
[12:50] <Bluekuja> ^^
[12:50] <mhz> eco!
[12:50] <Bluekuja> you're a great mauricio
[12:50] <Bluekuja> ^^
[12:50] <Bluekuja> cya
[12:50] <lns> here ya go crimsun
[12:50] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-20-686
[12:50] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:50] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[12:50] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-20-686
[12:50] <lns> savedefault
[12:50] <lns> boot
[12:50] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-20-686 (recovery mode)
[12:50] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:50] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-20-686
[12:51] <lns> boot
[12:51] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-20-386
[12:51] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:51] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-20-386
[12:51] <lns> savedefault
[12:51] <lns> boot
[12:51] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-20-386 (recovery mode)
[12:51] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:51] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-20-386
[12:51] <lns> boot
[12:51] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-19-686
[12:51] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:51] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-19-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-19-686
[12:51] <lns> savedefault
[12:51] <lns> boot
[12:51] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-19-686 (recovery mode)
[12:51] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:51] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-19-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-19-686
[12:51] <lns> boot
[12:51] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-19-386
[12:51] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:51] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-19-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[12:51] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-19-386
[12:52] <lns> savedefault
[12:52] <lns> boot
[12:52] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-19-386 (recovery mode)
[12:52] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:52] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-19-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[12:52] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-19-386
[12:52] <lns> boot
[12:52] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-18-386
[12:52] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:52] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-18-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[12:52] <lns> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-18-386
[12:52] <lns> savedefault
[12:52] <lns> boot
[12:52] <lns> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-18-386 (recovery mode)
[12:52] <lns> root            (hd0,0)
[12:52] <lns> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-18-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[12:52] <lns> initrd          /boot
[12:52] <lns> sorry for that ;)
[12:52] <lns> it looks like tftp is lookign in the wrong dir
[12:53] <mhz> it looks like paste bin IS NOT "paste here"
[12:53] <lns> sorry :(
[12:54] <mhz> and if pasting here was needed, maybe you could have just omitted (recovery mode) lines
[12:54] <mhz> try not to do it, lns, but relax, we all make mistakes :D
[12:55] <lns> sorry..didn't know about pastebin
[12:56] <mhz> lns: no worries. at least no one will kick you
[12:56] <lns> ;)
[12:57] <mhz> as long as you dont do it again, and in a working day :D
[01:12] <mhz> lns: and when you boot your machine, can you select -19 kernel at grub time?
[01:12] <mhz> i you can, I dont see the big problem
[01:12] <mhz> :)
[01:12] <lns> yes
[01:14] <mhz> can you?
[01:14] <mhz> and does it boot -19?
[01:15] <lns> yes on the server
[01:20] <lns> this is a mess
[01:20] <mhz> but when you boot -19, can you build a client again?
[01:20] <lns> i haven't tried that
[01:22] <lns> i'm getting 'tftp: client does not accept options' in syslog now
[01:22] <lns> every time i try to boot
[01:23] <mhz> try booting -19 and build-client again
[01:23] <lns> ok
[01:23] <lns> thanks :)
[01:23] <lns> cya!
[03:15] <mhz> re
[01:08] <dgd> I've created some very primitive screencasts of edubuntu here:
[01:08] <dgd> I hope they help someone
[01:08] <dgd> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=dennis+daniels+edubuntu
[02:39] <anthony> hi - new edubuntu user - keep running out of space while installing!  How many gigs needed?
[02:40] <ogra> anthony, for a default install ~2.5-3G for a workstation install ~2-2.5G
[02:40] <anthony> it seems to copy all debs to harddrive first then install - is that right?  If so, does it delete debs afterwards?
[02:44] <ogra> nope, it doesnt
[02:44] <ogra> to prevent the apckage manager to ask for the CD all the time if possible
[02:44] <anthony> ok - thanks - I'll extend the partition and try again!
[03:11] <bobulator> afternoon,
[03:11] <bobulator> anyone got any idea why thin client logins have studdenly stopped working? (dapper)
[03:12] <bobulator> i tried rebuilding the client, and no cigar
[03:12] <bobulator> although i think it's built the breezy client rather than the dapper client
[03:15] <ogra> which version of ltsp-server do you have installed ?
[03:16] <bobulator> 0.84
[03:16] <ogra> that will definately build dapper :)
[03:16] <bobulator> hmm ok :) its the old screen with justa  username box rather than the 'ltsp login' white box on black background though
[03:16] <ogra> how are the logins not working ?
[03:17] <bobulator> well you type in a username and password, and it just thinks for a sec, and then flicks back to the login screen again
[03:17] <bobulator> it always did it occasionally, but its doing it all the time now
[03:17] <ogra> the users can login directly on the server ?
[03:17] <bobulator> yeah
[03:17] <juliux> bobulator, is sabayon installed?
[03:18] <bobulator> yup, i just put that on,,,
[03:18] <ogra> ah, seems sabayon has a bug :/
[03:18] <bobulator> ahha :)
[03:18] <bobulator> apt-get remove sabayon --purge?
[03:18] <ogra> try if it works if you uninstall it+
[03:19] <bobulator> or shall i do it with dpkg?
[03:19] <ogra> (dunno if purge is needed)
[03:19] <bobulator> k
[03:19] <ogra> apt-get is just fine
[03:19] <bobulator> bingo.
[03:19] <bobulator> where shall i report it?
[03:20] <ogra> launchpad file it against sabayon or ltsp, as you like, assign it to me (ogra)
[03:20] <bobulator> wow if only all problems were that simple
[03:20] <ogra> its odd that it breaks though
[03:20] <ogra> (i doubt it will be simple to solve)
[03:21] <bobulator> yeah i guess, its not that important id just like to make a few global changes to user configs
[03:22] <bobulator> it can wait though
[03:22] <bobulator> is there any easy way to update everyones home page when theyre using firefox, and change the desktop fonts?
[03:22] <ogra> you should be able to make your changes and uninstall sabayon afterwards
[03:22] <ogra> it only changes gconf settings
[03:24] <bobulator> ah ok
[03:24] <bobulator> cool, filed the bug anyway
[03:25] <ogra> thanks :)
[03:25] <bobulator> np :)
[03:25] <bobulator> been having fun setting up amharic language support for all the refugees that stay here too... you got any idea about scim? i can;t get it to switch keyboard layouts and its a pain logging out just to switch language
[03:26] <ogra> scim suppot should be a lot better than in breezy, but its untested with ltsp yet
[03:27] <bobulator> its not working on the server too i dont think
[03:27] <ogra> to get details about scim in general, try to cvatch mvo in #ubuntu-devel
[03:27] <bobulator> cool, ta
[03:28] <ogra> (he wont be around through easter i think)
[03:28] <bobulator> ah cool
[03:28] <bobulator> i made an amharic keyboard by printing off a sample and glueing all the keys down seperately, haha 8)
[05:54] <kjcole> Hi.  Anyone home?  Is there a straightforward way to set language preferences for individual LTSP users?
[05:57] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: Hello :)
[05:57] <Bluekuja> hi kjcole
[05:58] <kjcole> Hullo all
[05:58] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja and kjcole
[05:58] <kjcole> I'm looking for LTSP user language preference wizardry... Any good resources you know of?
[05:58] <Bluekuja> jon all ok?
[05:58] <Bluekuja> good day?
[05:59] <highvoltage> yeah.
[05:59] <Bluekuja> good :)
[05:59] <highvoltage> was planing to go to work, got stuck at a friends house
[06:00] <highvoltage> kjcole: not that i can think of
[06:00] <kjcole> C'est la vie.  (About the only non-English I know.)
[06:00] <Bluekuja> haha :)


[01:57] <Unit193> Soooo...Who else does the mailing lists?
[02:08] <pleia2> me, poorly, wanna help?
[02:09] <pleia2> oh, you said "else" so you do do them :)
[02:09] <pleia2> and knome too, but he's been less active
[02:39] <krytarik> Privately I already offered help on it earlier, but then I'd want to do it the way I figured out works best. :3
[02:44] <krytarik> (Which would involve being an admin, using the spam filter at the core rather than handling them afterwards, and leaving any moderated and unapproved mails in the queue until they expire.)
[03:23] <Unit193> pleia2: Hah, I do it poorly too.  I just go through every day or two and delete the spam. :3
[03:23] <Unit193> krytarik: I just use listadmin, then hope someone will politely reject the real people. :3
[03:23] <Unit193> !info listadmin
[03:43] <krytarik> I just reflected why exactly I chose to use the spam filter approach - all the handlers that come in effect after a mail has already been through the former only apply to the actual mailing list address, so you'd still get spam to e.g. the -owner address, while the spam filter only exempts the -bounces address which is annoying enough still, but yeah.  And my approach to handling actual ...
[03:43] <krytarik> ... people so far has been sufficient to either let the mail through or let it linger and eventually expire in the queue same as the spam ones. :3
[03:44] <krytarik> Unit193: And didn't you mention recently listadmin was broken currently or something? :3
[03:46] <Unit193> Noooo, just the one message in there, if you inspect the body it crashes.  SO I haven't handled that message, but that's the only one I've ever had an issue with.
[03:55] <krytarik> Ah, ok!  In the meantime I wondered if it might have just been issues with emojis. :P
[03:57] <Unit193> To be fair, I have the same issues. >_>
[04:00] <krytarik> You mean with emojis?  Yeeah, ever since I installed fonts-noto-color-emoji, I have the feeling the experience got worse! >_>
[04:01] <Unit193> Yeah the more ascii look is better, blends in better and doesn't make you think (as less) of the people using them. :3
[04:05] <krytarik> Imagine someone who has been using smileys excessively originally, now doing the same but with emojis! >_<
[04:08] <Unit193> Yeeep.


[06:17] <marinelli> hi everyone. I have some problems with Ubuntu pinning. I'm already using pinning in Debian, eg: I'm using testing/(buildd-)unstable/(buildd-)experimental without problems. I started to use Ubuntu and pinning, and I'm not completelly sure that I configured it in the right way. I would like to have something like: the current release by default, I would like to install proposed packages (like
[06:17] <marinelli> the buildd releases in debian), and I would like to install packages from the next release (eg: impish). Well, actually I already have something like that, but I'm not sure that I putted the right priorities.
[06:18] <marinelli> is there some of you that might help me to review the config?
[06:28] <marinelli> well... actually the only strange thing is that for some reason the ubuntu-release-upgrader has 1 as pin priority. if I check the policy of one of its installes bin packages, it says that the new version is 1:21.04.12 1 (phased 50%).
[06:28] <marinelli> what does that mean the "phased 50%"?
[06:58] <marinelli> ahhh... ok... I didn't know about phased updates. it has been sufficient to set APT::Get::Always-Include-Phased-Updates to true


[01:00] <daedaluz> hmm, just noticed that xorg.conf mentions nothing, nvidia controls report 60hz but kde display settings report 50hz as refresh rate. nvidia contol panel is correct, but is the setting applied?
[01:28] <hyperqbe> does a fresh kubuntu install include libgtk2?
[01:28] <twoten> I put a cdrom in, and I have a device notifier widget in my system tray, but it does not get auto mounted. What's up with that?
[01:30] <ubuntu_> hi
[01:31] <Scunizi> Every time I open Konsole there is a lag and the first line that shows up in the new window is "#updates: command not found"... how do I get rid of that?
[01:37] <Typos_King> Scunizi:   can't say, check what line is using to launch it from the menu, using kmenuedit
[01:38] <Scunizi> Typos_King: ok.. thanks I'll check that.
[01:39] <Scunizi> Typos_King: nothing unusual in there.. command to launch is konsole and there is a check mark next to "Enable launch feedback"..
[01:41] <Scunizi> Typos_King: launching konsole from in a konsole results in http://pastebin.com/piCp092s .... really kinda weird
[02:29] <yro> h
[02:51] <GrazzMan> Can someone help me with a Partition issue?
[03:43] <kate_> hi all
[03:43] <kate_> มีคนไทยไหมคับ
[03:43] <kate_> hi all
[03:44] <kate_> I have problem with ubuntu
[03:44] <alez> NAS
[03:44] <kate_> My desktop not show icon all
[03:44] <kate_> help me please
[03:48] <angelo> What is you user?
[03:50] <kate_> kate
[03:51] <angelo> what icons? on desktop? or on menu?
[03:54] <kate_> all icon on desktop
[03:54] <kate_> and i can't view all file and folder in harddisk
[05:12] <kickingintender> kubuntu not installing inside windows
[05:13] <kickingintender> i mean i installed it succesfully but unable to boot inside it.....using lucid kubuntu
[05:14] <Gumby> hi all.  just installed kubuntu onto my laptop and then switched over to the nvidia drivers and upon a reboot, I can only log into a console.  I am using a nVidia 310M GPU.  Is there a howto on getting this to work anywhere?
[06:20] <prithvi> hello
[08:28] <shreenath> help!!!
[08:29] <hrw> hi
[08:29] <shreenath> how to transfer photos from digicam to my local hard disk in kubuntu??
[08:41] <shreenath> how to transfer photos from digicam to my local hard disk in kubuntu??
[08:41] <santhust> hi
[08:42] <santhust> just testing konversation
[08:46] <santhust> hi
[08:46] <santhust> testing quassel
[09:01] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i just upgraded to lucid from 9.10 and i have a problem with my USB keyboard & mouse. The both suddenly stop responding at an unpredictable time. If i plug in a PS/2 keyboard after that event, the PS/2 keyboard works ok. So this is not a system crash. Has anybody experienced anything similar?\
[09:03] <naftilos76> Just happened again!
[09:03] <naftilos76> I am on a PS/2 keyboard without mouse!
[09:04] <naftilos76> anyone?
[09:35] <MrChris> Hi everybody
[09:35] <MrChris> I've been looking for the kubuntu logos on wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[09:36] <MrChris> but can't seem to find any
[09:36] <MrChris> can somebody help me out pls?
[09:40] <tsimpson> MrChris: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[09:42] <MrChris> thanks tsimpson
[09:42] <MrChris> quite what i was looking for (y)
[10:11] <slow-motion> hi
[10:57] <alesan> hi! I desperately need help
[10:57] <alesan> knetworkmanager won't connect to any wireless network
[10:57] <alesan> even unencrypted
[10:57] <alesan> it works (sometimes) on ethernet, like now
[10:58] <alesan> what can I do to totally reset its configuration?
[10:59] <alesan> I am using a lenovo thinkpad T400 with Intel 5100 AGN [Shiloh] wireless adapter
[10:59] <alesan> I could try with another one on USB
[11:03] <jkey> Hi everyone! How can we implement such a thing: the program chees transmit video stream to the input of the program skype?
[11:16] <Hazamonzo> Hmm, any reason to why kubuntu ignores my ATI settings i choose in amdcccl ?
[11:23] <Hazamonzo> hmm,  if i try to run aticonfig -initial -f i get the message "Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11" but a ls -lX /etc/X11/ shows there is already a xorg.conf there (rw-r-r)
[11:23] <Hazamonzo> What could be the issue there then?
[11:25] <Hazamonzo> oh, the content of xorg.conf : http://pastebin.ca/1891712
[11:28] <Hazamonzo> Maybe a quick restart will help
[11:34] <Hazamonzo> hmm
[11:34] <Hazamonzo> no not really
[11:34] <Hazamonzo> restarted and looked at my xorg.conf. Its changed to a more basic one :(
[11:34] <Hazamonzo> Anyone interested?
[11:39] <amichair> any thoughts on why a right-click menu in dolphin takes about 2 minutes to pop up?
[11:40] <amichair> freezing the whole window in the meanwhile...
[11:50] <Hazamonzo> dang it
[11:50] <dcorbin_work> Where do I configure network interfaces in the latest kubuntu?
[11:53] <Torch> amichair: you should run dolphin from a konsole session with all debug output turned on in kdebugdialog and see what takes so long
[11:53] <Hazamonzo> dcorbin_work: knetworkmanager
[12:25] <slow-motion> re
[12:29] <alesan> hi, knetworkmanager won't connect to any wireless network, even unencrypted
[12:29] <alesan> anything I can do to reset its config and restore to when it was working well?
[12:41] <amichair> Torch: starting dolphin in konsole itself takes a long while... it gives an error about communication problem with 'dolphin' saying it probably crashed. Then it starts normally. right-click takes a couple of minutes, but doesn't output anything in konsole.
[12:42] <Torch> amichair: did you actually turn on all debugging output in kdebugdialog?
[12:42] <amichair> Torch: oops... missed that part
[12:43] <amichair> Torch: I just check 'dolphin' and apply?
[12:43] <Torch> amichair: turn on all debugging output.
[12:43] <Torch> amichair: i can only repeat myself ;-)
[12:56] <amichair> Torch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/456853/
[12:58] <amichair> disclaimer: a couple days ago I had my first total system freeze, which required a cold reboot. Then these delays started.
[13:02] <Torch> amichair: i probably cannot help you further with this. i suggest asking on #kde.
[13:02] <amichair> Torch: ok, thanks!
[13:24] <KennethAar> hi
[13:26] <KennethAar> Hm How do I move the contents of dir 1 into dir2? "mv /home/dir1 /home/dir2" makes dir1 a subfolder for dir 2. Dolphin crashes because of umlauts (skandinavian characters in the filenames)
[13:31] <amichair> KennethAar: you can 'mv olddir/* newdir'
[13:31] <amichair> to move everything under olddir (but not olddir itself) into newdir
[13:37] <KennethAar> amichair: Thank you very much. May you have a wonderfull day :-)
[13:38] <amichair> KennethAar: you too :-)
[13:44] <KennethAar> amichair: Hm but one folder excists in both places already how do I make all the contents merge?
[13:49] <amichair> KennethAar: hmmm.... not sure. might be easier to just cp '-ur' and if everything is ok, delete the source
[13:50] <amichair> (-r for recursive, -u to update only newer or missing files)
[13:51] <KennethAar> amichair: Hm not enough space :-(
[13:53] <amichair> KennethAar: another slightly more complex option would be to use find + xargs to mv each file separately
[13:57] <KennethAar> hm trying dolphin for some of the operations... Fingers crossed. (slightly anoyed that the umalut problem persist after reporting av bug 4-5 years ago)
[13:58] <amichair> KennethAar: strange that they should still have such trivial I18n bugs
[13:59] <KennethAar> amichair: Yes. I really don't get it. But I am a mere user so I really don't know that much about programming...
[14:00] <KennethAar> One would think that with all the european linux users this would be fixed now...
[14:01] <amichair> they have much trickier I18n stuff covered ok... are you sure that's what's causing the problem?
[14:03] <KennethAar> seems to be. But It seems to be a problem with files that have been on a fat or ntfs filessystem at one time. Or else it works great...
[14:05] <KennethAar> files then get these characters: S+P p� Bent kurs
[14:06] <KennethAar> commandline no problem dolphin/nautilus.. Crash...
[14:08] <KennethAar> hm is it possible to replace all � in all file names with another letter?
[14:12] <amichair> KennethAar: maybe there's a way to specify the charset when mounting the fat disk
[14:12] <KennethAar> amichair: I found convmv seems like what I need.
[14:13] <amichair> I don't know it, but looks like it might work
[14:14] <KennethAar> I am installing cnvmv now...
[14:20] <[ade]> moins. i'm trying to install kubuntu 10.04 on a c2d w/ nvidia 9600M; nouveau doesn't seem to like that chip, because after picking "install" (or "try kubuntu" for that matter) i get dumped to a text screen. is there a text-mode installer available or a way i can tell the installer to just stick with vesa until I can get the proprietary driver?
[14:22] <KennethAar> [ade]: There is an alternate installer. But you kan specify no dpms at boot time or something. Not exactly sure what your would type though
[14:26] <KennethAar> [ade]: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/
[15:23] <nthykier> Hi, with the upload of kdebase-workspace yesterday to Maverick (4:4.4.90), two symbols that my package needed was removed, which (obviously) now causes it to FTBFS
[15:25] <nthykier> My package is sentinella and I am trying to figure out how best to fix this issue
[15:27] <[ade]> nthykier: which symbols?
[15:28] <nthykier> [ade]: _ZN9KSysGuard9Processes14returnInstanceERK7QString@Base and _ZN9KSysGuard9Processes11getInstanceERK7QString@Base
[15:29] <nthykier> (at least I assume it is them based on the build log - /build/buildd/sentinella-0.6.2/src/Actions/KillProcess.cpp:24: error: 'getInstance' is not a member of 'KSysGuard::Processes )
[15:30] <[ade]> i don't see anything in the kde svn logs that suggest that the interface has changed
[15:31] <[ade]> gimme a minute while svn updates
[15:32] <nthykier> [ade]: If it helps they are listed as removed from kdebase-workspace-4.4.90/debian/libprocesscore4a.symbols in the 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu5 -> 4.4.90-0ubuntu1 diff
[15:41] <[ade]> -    mProcesses = KSysGuard::Processes::getInstance(mHostName);
[15:41] <[ade]> +    mProcesses = new KSysGuard::Processes(mHostName);
[15:41] <[ade]> that's the kind of change made in KSysguard's processui so you'll probably do the same
[15:42] <nthykier> [ade]: Okay, I assume returnInstance is replaced with a delete ?
[15:42] <[ade]> -        KSysGuard::Processes::returnInstance(mHostName);
[15:42] <[ade]> +        delete mProcesses;
[15:42] <[ade]> +        mProcesses = 0;
[15:42] <[ade]> yep
[15:42] <FloodBotK1> [ade]: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:43] <nthykier> okay, thanks, I hope this is the only change I need :P
[16:58] <ajmal> hi there all
[16:58] <ajmal> iam using kubuntu lucid now
[16:58] <clickwir> Isn't it super?
[16:58] <ajmal> but...there is no mp3 playback
[16:58] <ajmal> can anybdy help
[16:58] <clickwir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[16:59] <clickwir> follow that guide to get MP3
[16:59] <DarthFrog> !medibuntu | ajmal
[16:59] <ajmal> no....but how do i play mp3 on my pc
[17:00] <clickwir> It's easy, just follow the instructions.
[17:00] <ajmal> i have downloaded necessary packages to play mp3
[17:00] <DarthFrog> You have to install the codec.
[17:00] <clickwir> Then open Amarok.
[17:00] <clickwir> Or VLC.
[17:00] <ajmal> i dont have VLC.....now what 2 do
[17:00] <DarthFrog> Amarok is superb.
[17:00] <clickwir> Amarok.
[17:01] <clickwir> Use Amarok.
[17:01] <ajmal> update manager says i have 43 security updates
[17:01] <ajmal> should i install them?
[17:01] <clickwir> it's in the menu. It's got a pretty icon of a wolf.
[17:01] <ajmal> but i want mp3 playback
[17:01] <clickwir> Update Manger is pretty smart, I'd listen to it. If it says there are updates, do it.
[17:01] <clickwir> Amarok is great for playing MP3's.
[17:02] <ajmal> amarok quits
[17:02] <clickwir> time for lunch
[17:03] <ajmal> also grub tells me kubuntu as ubuntu kernel....strange
[17:03] <DarthFrog> It is.
[17:03] <clickwir> Yes, the kernel is called Ubutnu.
[17:03] <clickwir> Kubuntu is built on Ubuntu.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE SC desktop.
[17:03] <clickwir> install your updates. reboot. then try amarok again.
[17:05] <DarthFrog> No need to reboot, unless a new kernel was installed.  Otherwise, just log out and back in again.
[17:07] <georges-albert> Hi, I search a net on Kubuntu in French. Thanks by advance
[17:12] <jjunk> system is crashing....iam thrown every time i do some thing ....how 2 repair this
[17:12] <jjunk> thorown at command prompt.......
[17:12] <DarthFrog> What does that mean?
[17:13] <jjunk> iam getting blank screen then some login on command prompt
[17:14] <DarthFrog> OK, log in at the command prompt, then issue this command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Then reboot.
[17:15] <DarthFrog> If it still happens, you'll have to read the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what the problem might be.
[17:15] <jjunk> should i paste here
[17:16] <DarthFrog> no!
[17:16] <jjunk> then
[17:16] <DarthFrog> You'll be kick-banned by the FloodBot.
[17:16] <DarthFrog> !paste | jjunk
[17:16] <jjunk> iam right now downloading security updates now
[17:17] <DarthFrog> What video card do you have?  What video driver are you using?
[17:17] <jjunk> also mp3 isnt played by amrok...it closes unexpectedly
[17:17] <DarthFrog> !mp3 | jjunk
[17:17] <jjunk> i dont have video card...i have builtin motherboard with graphics ...intel 845gvsr
[17:18] <jjunk> is there system testing in kubuntu
[17:21] <Ghostnet> How can i install kubuntu
[17:21] <Ghostnet> ?
[17:21] <DarthFrog> Are you running Ubuntu now?
[17:22] <jjunk> now mp3 are playing but....i have problem with system going down to cli and asking for login and doesnt even start the GUI...i.e plasma desktop
[17:22] <Ghostnet> Sorry How can i install KDevelop
[17:22] <Ghostnet> KDevelop 4
[17:24] <DarthFrog> It's in lucid-backports.
[17:25] <Ghostnet> I cant install it I have been struggling with this for a week
[17:25] <jjunk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/456947/
[17:26] <jjunk> the above is my x org log
[17:26] <jjunk> should i report a bug in launchpad?
[17:27] <jjunk> also i want 2 do system testing like ubuntu....
[17:27] <DarthFrog> jjunk: There's no errors reported in that file.
[17:28] <hyperqbe> does libgtk2 get installed in a default install of kubuntu?
[17:28] <DarthFrog> jjunk: What happens when you log in at the command line, then type "startx"?
[17:28] <jjunk> then why does it ask for login again as iam already logged in.....also seeing CLI is horror(nightmare)
[17:29] <DarthFrog> CLI is where the power is.  :-)
[17:29] <jjunk> startx doesnt work iam still at CLI
[17:29] <DarthFrog> hyperqbe: Doubt it.
[17:29] <jjunk> so i do a reboot then using sudo -s...shutdown -r now
[17:30] <DarthFrog> jjunk: Define doesn't work.  Just saying that provides little to no information.
[17:31] <hyperqbe> DarthFrog: so no firefox or gimp by default either?
[17:32] <DarthFrog> hyperqbe: Not by default.  But they're easily installed.
[17:32] <jjunk> what should i do next time when iam thrown at CLI?
[17:32] <hyperqbe> ok, thanks
[17:33] <jjunk> i will report a bug...now i think
[17:33] <DarthFrog> OK.
[17:36] <TeslaTony> I'm trying to use knetworkmanager on Kubuntu Netbook Remix, and it won't hook up to an unsecured network for me, and seems to think it's trying t connect to a different one. Ideas?
[17:36] <jjunk> there was kgrubedit now how to change kubuntu name in grub
[17:36] <jjunk> >
[17:36] <jjunk> ?
[17:38] <jjunk> how does strigi work???? i want to use to search....in windows its too easy
[17:39] <jjunk> i want to change grub entry name
[17:41] <jjunk> is kfind related2 strigi in any way
[17:42] <jjunk> whats the use of strigi
[17:42] <Mr_L> jjunk: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:42] <jjunk> in terminal
[17:42] <jjunk> ?
[17:43] <Mr_L> use a terminal editor like vim or nano?
[17:43] <jjunk> now thts tricky as i dont want 2 mess grub with my own hands also isnt there any gui for that?
[17:43] <Mr_L> I believe not
[17:44] <Mr_L> It's not too tricky to edit this file, but the danger of making mistakes is there
[17:45] <jjunk> which grub dude as .....i have both ubuntu and kubuntu on my pc
[17:46] <DarthFrog> Mr_L: It's no longer menu.lst, it's now grub.cfg.  And it shouldn't be edited by hand, changes are not persistant.
[17:46] <jjunk> is hibernate available in kubuntu ....
[17:46] <DarthFrog> jjunk: Even so, there's only one GRUB and one /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[17:47] <Mr_L> DarthFrog: Ok. you're right for grub2
[17:47] <Mr_L> DarthFrog: But as far as I know you can edit grub.cfg an then do "update-grub"
[17:48] <DarthFrog> Mr_L: That will defintely overwrite your changes.
[17:48] <DarthFrog> Edit /etc/default/grub instead.
[17:49] <Mr_L> DarthFrog: Ok. I'll better stop talking as I don't want to be the one responsible for a system failure ;)
[17:49] <DarthFrog> And editing /etc/default/grub won't do what jjunk wants, either. :-)
[17:50] <jjunk> is mysql available in kubuntu/ubutnu
[17:50] <jjunk> also can i play quicktime movies inside kubuntu?
[17:51] <DarthFrog> jjunk:  Read /etc/grub.d/10_linx and figure it out. :-)  Warning: here be dragons!
[17:51] <DarthFrog> jjunk: Yes and yes.
[17:52] <jjunk> what about strigi then....whats front end for strigi ...how do i search using strigi
[17:52] <jjunk> hey update manager doesnt show me size of files to be downloaded/downloding
[17:53] <jjunk> it says 14 seconds only?
[17:54] <jjunk> how can i monitor hdd temperatur in kubuntu
[17:54] <jjunk> any applet?
[17:56] <jjunk> bye guys
[18:03] <slow-motion> hi
[18:17] <sebersole> i use konversation in ubuntu and run into problems with my sound cutting out after some time.  It only effects kde apps.  it goes away after reboot, for some time until it happens again.  the complaint is about phonon.  i had this issue before and ended up having to uninstall something, but i cannot remember what (this came back after i accepted a prompted "upgrade"; boy never doing that again)
[18:36] <Marchitos> anyone testing 4.5 rc1?
[18:56] <ToxinPowe> I have 4.5rc1 on Arch
[19:04] <apparle> hi
[19:18] <Hiryu> what do I need to install to get mp3 ripping in konqueror to work?
[19:23] <mfraz74> I'm having trouble with KDEPIM and Kopete again :(
[19:25] <mfraz74> if I sync a contact between Kopete and the address book, Kopete saves the vcf in the folder without the .vcf extension
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstalling of t
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> he program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:26] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0
[19:26] <FloodBotK1> Z-RAY_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:34]  * BluesKaj wonders if 'always allow' in kdewallet manager actaully means 'always ask' , because that's what it does
[19:39] <mfraz74> what is the minimum I should have in kde resources?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> minimum?
[20:02] <aston> 1
[20:28] <Eddie_6> Hi! Any thoughts on netbook edition vs standard edition? I'm considering one of them for my sammy n210...
[20:36] <Z-RAY_> aaaaaaa
[20:44] <susi_> huhu
[20:45] <susi_> jemand anwesend ?
[20:45] <jhunold> !de | susi_
[21:32] <dimitruss> hi
[21:33] <lumm> rc1 on 4.5 gives me a empty x window in my taskbar.. if i close it plasma crashes. how to avolid this behavoir, is this a known issue?
[22:05] <DarthFrog> lumm: Wrong channel.  Ask on #kubuntu-devel
[22:08] <kaddi> hi :)
[22:09] <kaddi> anyone familiar with clementine? Any opinions?
[22:13] <BluesKaj> kaddi, what's clementine?
[22:14] <kaddi> a qt4 port of amarok 1.4
[22:14] <kaddi> http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/
[22:15] <oxymoron> How do I solve this, doesnt able to fix with sudo apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/HyBFP9qh
[22:16] <Freddy2> hi
[22:16] <kaddi> hi
[22:16] <Freddy2> what happens with mirrors? why can i see kde 4.4.5 available if hasn't yet been released?
[22:16] <BluesKaj> I use VLC , amarok isn't worth the trouble
[22:16] <kaddi> BluesKaj: it still seems in early developement and it's the first I've heard of it. I thought maybe people here might now it
[22:17] <kaddi> heh, too slow
[22:17] <kaddi> :p
[22:17] <BluesKaj> kaddi, ok , I'll check it out
[22:18] <kaddi> how do you get the playlist to stick and not be empty at every boot in vlc?
[22:18] <kaddi> every start
[22:19] <kaddi> you don't need to install that for me, I just thought that some people here might have it since I've heard a lot of amarok 2.0 complaints while I was on here ;)
[22:21] <Freddy2> is there any way to know which is the apt source for those packets? (in synaptic, for example)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> you have to save playlists to file , i think, usually i just listen streaming audio so I have list of netradio stns saved
[22:21] <BluesKaj> bbl...
[22:22] <kaddi> Freddy2: apt-cache policy packagename should give you the name, the intsalled version and the repository from which it is available with the respective versions
[22:24] <Freddy2> ok, thx
[22:27] <Freddy2> hmm it's at kubuntu-ppa/staging repo
[22:29] <nUboon2Age> with kubuntu is there a quick way to tell if the computer i'm on has a built in mic that's working?
[22:35] <nUboon2Age> this machine has a web cam so i'm thinking it might have a built in mic, but is there a way to tell and configure it?
[22:37] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: just click sound icon and choose mixer
[22:37] <nUboon2Age> as a matter of fact i just spotted a tiny logo for a built in mic.  but how do i configure it in kubuntu
[22:37] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay.. checking...
[22:37] <amichair> derby sqlexception database "''" not found
[22:38] <amichair> whoops, wrong channel :-)
[22:39] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: would that be the column labeled PCM?  i only see Master, PCM and Headphones...
[22:39] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: no
[22:40] <dmatt> PCM is wav output
[22:40] <BluesKaj> PCM can be pm3
[22:40] <BluesKaj> mp3
[22:40] <dmatt> in mixer, go to settings/channel settings to see available channels
[22:41] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay, under 'configuration of channels' i found a column of Available channels and another of visible channels and I figured out I can drag a channel from the available, to invisible
[22:41] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: so i dragged over 'Front Mic Boost'... and am checking it out...
[22:41] <dmatt> BluesKaj: mp3 is converted to wav-like before playing
[22:42] <BluesKaj> pcm is merely the digital component of the audio signal
[22:42] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: you should look for something like Mic or Internal Mic
[22:43] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay i now have a level on the mixer to move, now how do i see the wave forms or know what the effect is of a particular setting of the slider?
[22:43] <BluesKaj> well dmatt that's news to me , but it really doesn't matter aslong as it plays
[22:47] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: or BluesKaj: how do i tell how loud it really is?  Can i see the wave forms somehow?
[22:48] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: do you have any application to record sound installed?
[22:49] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: i've got the plain kubuntu installation and i'm brand new to it, so i don't know.
[22:49] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, you could try audacity , it's an app used for recording etc
[22:50] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj:  dmatt: sure, if that's your rec, I'll try to install it.  I know that one is more involved though, is there something really simple?
[22:52] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, well, you could use cdrecord , cli app
[22:52] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: dmatt: simple but w/ gui
[22:54] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, gui apps tend to be more complicated IME
[22:55] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: dmatt: yes, true.  Just need a beginner's sound app w/ gui.
[22:55] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: i was looking for something appropriate... try qarecord
[22:56] <dmatt> you have to install it first
[22:56] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: okay, i'll try that... installing now...
[22:58] <BluesKaj> well, i hate to admit that gnome-media seems to be a simple media app that might work , nUboon2Age
[23:00] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: okay i'll check that one out too.  in the meantime qa record at least seems to confirm the mic is working, so thank you for the help you two.  I'm going to try to use skype on this computer...
[23:01] <dmatt> if you want to work with sound little bit more, I definitely advise to go for audacity
[23:02] <dimitruss> vlc
[23:02] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, a bit of advice about skype , try the static version, it's downloadeable but easy to install, and works well vs the package-manager version
[23:04] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj i dowloaded audacity too in the meantime
[23:05] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: dimitruss: i don't see anything in the package manager except skype plugin for libpurple messengers...
[23:05] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: you mean installed? there is no need to separately download anything, you install directly from repositories
[23:06] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age,http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
[23:06] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: for skype i think i was looking in the repositories...
[23:07] <dmatt> BluesKaj: yes skype is in the repo now
[23:07] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: maybe i don't have the package manager configured correctly... looking at the web page BluesKaj provided now...
[23:08] <BluesKaj> dmatt, the static version which i find much more stable isn't , but one can find it here http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
[23:08] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: what does static v. dynamic mean?
[23:09] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: what is your problem with package manager?
[23:10] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: well i'm brand new to kubuntu, so i'm just trying to guess why i don't see it in the repositories.
[23:10] <dmatt> what manager do you use and did you run update?
[23:11] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: i just am looking at the KPackageKit, and i'm not sure if i've run an update...
[23:12] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: what does 'static' or 'dynamic' mean in this context?
[23:12] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, not sure but some ppl over at #skype chat recommended it for kubuntu , and they were right ...i tried both versions and the static version worked from the get go
[23:13] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: so when you look at the web page you provided, which link did you use?
[23:18] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: I'm not sure how to change the repository settings in KPackageKit or why i'm not seeing Skype there.
[23:19] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: BluesKaj: static usually means it has its own libraries. the opposite is shared libraries it is shared by more programs and could be updated anytime
[23:20] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay that makes sense, ty
[23:21] <BluesKaj> dmatt, and in my experienc enot work ,after an update/upgrade :P
[23:23] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: since i haven't been able to figure out how to use KPackageKit to get a deb package i used the link on the web page on the top left, which said Ubuntu 8.10+64 (as opposed to the one further down that says 'Static' but is a .bz file or something)...
[23:23] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: in kpackagekit, choose Settings/Edit software sources
[23:23] <dmatt> you have to enable partner sources
[23:26] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: the download/ install from the Skype web site didn't work.  it gave an error in KPackageKit (something about 'does not contain the term 'read')
[23:27] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: how do i access 'Settings/Edit ...' i don't see it...
[23:28] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: never mind, i found it...
[23:32] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: look in Other software tab... if it is ticked, close it and choose the icon above ettings (I have it translated to different language, but it might be something like Software update in English)
[23:33] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: i think i found it... right now its trying to reload the package list and its stuck on 55 of 57... waiting...
[23:34] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: it is much easier to explain how to do it in terminal... just 2 commands to update and one to install skype :)
[23:35]  * BluesKaj is not a fan of kpackagekit , synaptic despite being a gnaome app is much superior
[23:35] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: leave it some time, it is running for the first time I suppose... expect lots of updates
[23:35] <BluesKaj> err gnome
[23:35] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: i think i have to let it try to complete the update...
[23:36] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: its still showing 55 of 57, 99%... i'll try and be patient...
[23:37] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, just let it go ... it's good to be patient :)
[23:37] <dmatt> it is trying to connect to some repo, which might be not available
[23:38] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: did you switch from ubuntu or do you have clean kubuntu install from scratch?
[23:39] <BluesKaj> there are some repos that may need to be enabled in software sources, including 3rd party and canonical partners
[23:41] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: it is a clean wubi install... still at 55 of 57
[23:41] <dmatt> BluesKaj: synaptic is ok, but I usually go straight to apt-get if kpackackekit has troubles
[23:41] <BluesKaj> dmatt, i like synaptic for searches
[23:42] <BluesKaj> but i bnormally use the cli for installation
[23:42] <BluesKaj> err noramally
[23:43] <BluesKaj> rr,, gawd
[23:43] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: so far the only real complaint i'd have about kpackageKit is that 1) i'm not familiar w/ it (and i'll get through that quickly enough) but 2) i don't see an option right now to have a view of what its doing like Synaptic has...
[23:44] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: what linux you have experiences with?
[23:45] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: i'm a beginner w/ Ubuntu, and little bit of Peppermint.
[23:46] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: well i'm thinking maybe i should close the download window... and go to cli.. what do y'all think?
[23:47] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: I would say so too
[23:48] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: you were not installing, only refreshing list of packages from repo, right?
[23:48] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, ok , but before you run any other commands in the cli, run this one first, sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[23:48] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: yes, that's correct.
[23:49] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay did that...
[23:49] <dmatt> sudo apt-get update
[23:50] <dmatt> this one only downloads information about available packages
[23:51] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: did that.  I think it mostly worked except it failed to get some files from the CD (which isn't in the drive and which could be why the KPackageKit was having trouble too)
[23:51] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, disable the cdrom in the kpackagekit
[23:52] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: do you have working internet connection?
[23:52] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: okay, but do i need to do that now, or just ignore it and go on?
[23:52] <ridin> is there anyway i can get some different window buttons/look, i don't like the oxygen buttons
[23:52] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: yes internet connection working..
[23:52] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: i would say ignore it
[23:53] <BluesKaj> nUboon2Age, do it before  you do apt-get update
[23:53] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: okay, what is the next step?
[23:53] <dmatt> sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:54] <dmatt> this will bring your system up-to-date
[23:55] <BluesKaj> personally I use aptitude due to it's superior dependency tracking and handling , but to each his own
[23:55] <dmatt> when it finishes, than finally     sudo apt-get install skype
[23:55] <nUboon2Age> BluesKaj: i'll check out aptitude sometime.  i'd heard others say good things about it too...
[23:55] <ridin> is there anyway i can get some different window buttons/look, i don't like the oxygen buttons
[23:56] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: okay doing last step now...
[23:56] <BluesKaj> bbl, gotta setup sprinkler etc
[23:56] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I have seen fail both on different occasion
[23:58] <nUboon2Age> dmatt: BluesKaj: okay, I'm on Skype now... ty both for your help!!!
[23:59] <dmatt> nUboon2Age: there are always at least two working ways how to solve the problem :)