[08:23] <rory__> is it faster than bochs?
[08:24] <crimsun> rory__: Xen? Yes, though it's a bit misleading to compare the two.
[08:24] <de_wizze> how do I remove a share that I created under network:///
[08:25] <ironwolf> is bluetooth supported in warty?
[08:29] <LucidVisions> rory: do you use bochs? I just read that you can emulate an AMD64
[08:29] <LucidVisions> thats cool
[08:29] <cef_work> is there actually a packages.d.o equivalent for ubuntu yet?
[08:32] <cef_work> damnit.. backed up some stuff to a firewire device (h/drive) and now a reinstall has trouble reading it.. *sigh*
[08:32] <cef_work> just exactly what I don't need
[08:36] <|QuaD|> what is that quit message?
[08:36] <cef_work> now it works.. argh!!!
[08:37] <LucidVisions> Poof: needs a woman,lol
[08:39] <LucidVisions> I just grabbed that Xen tarball,,im reading up on it now,looks good
[08:39] <Pitr> http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/reflections/20041128-00.html
[08:40] <|QuaD|> they should gpl vmware
[08:40] <|QuaD|> we should start a petition!
[08:40] <UdontKnow> |QuaD|: why not just grab qemu?
[08:40] <|QuaD|> slow
[08:41] <UdontKnow> at least, qemu's vga support is way better than vmware
[08:41] <UdontKnow> qemu can run framebuffer
[08:41] <LucidVisions> Pitr: thats funny stuff indeed
[08:41] <ironwolf> bluetooth, warty anyone?  Is it in hoary?
[08:42] <cef_work> ok, what in the kernel would spit out 'Read (10) xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx' where xx = hex digits.. I'm getting this in dmesg and /var/log/messages
[08:42] <crimsun> ironwolf: yes.
[08:42] <crimsun> (to both)
[08:43] <ironwolf> crimsun: where's the how-to?
[08:43] <crimsun> ironwolf: beats me; I have 0 BT devices.
[08:43] <crimsun> ironwolf: feel free to contribute one
[08:43] <rory__> LucidVisions, not really... i use vmware sometimes
[08:43] <|QuaD|> alright... night folks
[08:44] <rory__> but dont have a spare license so using bochs
[08:44] <LucidVisions> laterz QuaD
[08:44] <rory__> im busy setting up a virtual machine to install ubuntu on
[08:44] <LucidVisions> have a good one
[08:44] <LucidVisions> thanks again
[08:44] <siimo> hi any xfce users here
[08:44] <ironwolf> *sigh* friend loaded ubuntu, he can't figure how to get bluetooth support.
[08:44] <LucidVisions> siimo: i use xfce4
[08:45] <jdub> ironwolf: what kind of bluetooth support?
[08:45] <ironwolf> jdub: a bluetooth phone
[08:45] <jdub> ironwolf: people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/warty/
[08:46] <jdub> ironwolf: and michael banck has multisync packages for warty, that support evolution 2
[08:46] <ulisse> Goood Mooornin' Ubuuuntuuuu!
[08:46] <LucidVisions> siimo: whats up with your xfce?
[08:46] <tommie_> Hey guys.. how do I change the functions of my extra mouse buttons (mouse4/mouse5?) to act as back/forward for Firefox?
[08:46] <siimo> its borked
[08:47] <herman_> my guts tell me ubuntu is running with only 256 colors. do i need to edit XFree config file or is there some tool to check/fix such things?
[08:47] <LucidVisions> dam,,in what way is it borked
[08:48] <LucidVisions> rory: what are you using as a vm currenly?
[08:48] <siimo> when i go in it it bumps me back out saying session ended in less than 10 seconds or somethingg
[08:48] <rory__> erm, as in host/guest/application ?
[08:48] <LucidVisions> host
[08:48] <rory__> win2k
[08:49] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see
[08:49] <ironwolf> jdub: do I add that to souces.list? then install bluez ?
[08:49] <gloin> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[08:49] <gloin> =]
[08:49] <gloin> <---new server project for me
[08:50] <LucidVisions> siimo: that is a new on for me,havent heatd of that problem before
[08:50] <crimsun> siimo: using 4.0.x or 4.2x?
[08:50] <crimsun> siimo: both work fine here
[08:50] <cef_work> grrrr. dumb scsi layer messages
[08:51] <siimo> whatever that is in ubuntu
[08:51] <melazyboy> herman_: try dpkg-reconfigure XFree89
[08:51] <gloin> apt-get install badger-linux
[08:52] <cef_work> XFree89???
[08:52] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:52] <LucidVisions> 89,,haha
[08:52] <cef_work> fabbione: heya
[08:52] <LucidVisions> tired?
[08:52] <fabbione> hey
[08:52] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:52] <melazyboy> herman_: try dpkg-reconfigure XFree86
[08:52] <cef_work> fabbione: so can we beat up daniels yet? *grin*
[08:52] <fabbione> fabbione]   [#ubuntu-devel(+n)]
 hey
 hehe
[08:52] <fabbione> <melazyboyops
[08:52] <fabbione> sorry
[08:52] <fabbione> melazyboy: no that is wrong
[08:52] <herman_> melazyboy, k :)
[08:52] <fabbione> herman_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:53] <melazyboy> Yar im wrong
[08:53] <fabbione> the other is plain wrong
[08:53] <melazyboy> there we go thats right
[08:53] <cef_work> bbk in 5
[08:53] <crimsun> xserver-xorg for Hoary; xserver-xfree86 for Warty
[08:54] <dementis> Hi all, anyone running Warty on Toshiba satellite A30/M34 ?
[08:54] <melazyboy> eta yet on fglrx and xorg, and who needs to do fixing xorg or ati
[08:54] <dementis> I'm having trouble getting the touchpad to work.
[08:54] <melazyboy> You know we have one person a day that comes in here and asks the same question... this time when someone answers it im going to pay attention
[08:55] <fabbione> melazyboy: daniles
[08:55] <fabbione> daniels
[08:55] <freakabcd> hi all
[08:55] <fabbione> siretart: unknown.. it should have been done already
[08:55] <dementis> heh, not me... first time here :)
[08:55] <melazyboy> I wonder if there is a way to flush my dc++ log to a file
[08:55] <freakabcd> anyone in .AU received their ubuntu CDs yet?
[08:56] <cef_work> freakabcd: not me
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> hey melazyboy
[08:56] <freakabcd> yeah, i haven;t got them either
[08:56] <crimsun> siimo: so 4.0.6?
[08:56] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Whats up =D
[08:56] <dementis> plenty of people on SLUG list raving about receiving theirs
[08:56] <cef_work> sounds typical
[08:56] <freakabcd> dementis, SLUG ?
[08:57] <freakabcd> Sydney?
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy not much... how is TX treating you today
[08:57] <dementis> yeah, sorry...
[08:57] <cef_work> meanwhile, I'll just continue to wrestle with the scsi layer with this firewire device. ARGHHHH!
[08:57] <jdub> freakabcd: yeah, quite a few people have received them here,.
[08:58] <freakabcd> jdub, here is where in .au ?
[08:58] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: odd you asked that, it rained in the morning, was extremly humid during the day, now its 60deg, tomorrow it will rain and drop down to 40deg, and there are still 17 mexican rap stations
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: jdub = in sydney
[08:58] <freakabcd> man, i'm trying to find out how the heck BLUG works!
[08:58] <herman_> my cd never arrived
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: cef = in melb
[08:58] <stuNNed> where are they being shipped from?
[08:58] <jdub> stuNNed: .nl
[08:58] <herman_> good think i got an cd burner
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: LucidVisions = in perth
[08:58] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: on the bright side, i didn't pay to see alexander
[08:59] <freakabcd> or even if its called BLUG and whether it has _any_ meetings ever!
[08:59] <gloin> ahh
[08:59] <gloin> you gotta try badger-linux
[08:59] <gloin> this is the ultimate case mod
[08:59] <gloin> Dead badgers do not heal, and a badger with broken legs will display limited mobility
[08:59] <stuNNed> punkass, hi, did you need to install kernel source .deb to get linuxant drivers working?  i think i've messed up a bit the install or something, is there .deb instructions on their site?
[08:59] <LucidVisions> nope,,LucidVisions = portland,Oregon
[08:59] <gloin> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[08:59] <gloin> <---Ashland, OR
[08:59] <ironwolf> jdub: did you see the question?
[08:59] <punkass> so i had nvidia drivers installed and working fine..i just updated to the K7 kernel and no nvidia drivers wont load, tried to reinstall nvidia-glx but that didnt seem to help
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy how was it?
[08:59] <cef_work> Im really starting to hate scsi devices
[08:59] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I didn't see it and im celebrating
[09:00] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I heard it was that bad.
[09:00] <punkass> stuNNed: just some basic instructions
[09:00] <LucidVisions> gloin: we were a blue state
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy hamana? celebrating what? you are moving? :P
[09:00] <punkass> and yes i believe i did install the source package
[09:00] <punkass> the deb they give u is just the source
[09:00] <crimsun> punkass: you need the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` package
[09:00] <punkass> ah ok thanks
[09:00] <gloin> LucidVisions: we are always a blue state
[09:00] <cef_work> LucidVisions: ahh, just plug also is the Perth Linux Users Group...
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: No celebrating, not wasting my money on that stupid movie, lol some day ill move -- probably a few years away =/
[09:01] <gloin> LucidVisions: I'd live somewhere else if we were a red state
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: *No celebrating on not wasting my money on that stupid movie, lol some day ill move -- probably a few years away =/
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy didn't you say you got to see it for free?... <-- puzzled
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: No no, Im celebrating not having seen it at all
[09:01] <dementis> Any tips on the Satellite A30 touchpad? Also, keyboard sometimes requires pressing <ctrl>+<shift> before it will work...
[09:02] <freakabcd> melazyboy, what movie?
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy err then why did you say you saw Alexander?
[09:02] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: It was so bad that im told the whole movie theater jointly walked out, it happened 3 times on opening day, worst opening day ever is the rumor
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> the movie is not screened in my town, because of the fact that Alexander is being presented as bisexual...
[09:03] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Friends called up sunday to go see movie, and i was busy with homework, i coulden't go, im celebrating making that decision because they just told me how bad that movie was
[09:03] <ulisse> Since yesterday's update, on my hoary, ThunderBird and FireFox crashes
[09:03] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Really, the religious reich here is alittle pissed off about that too
[09:04] <ulisse> I think it could be due to locales
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am in no hurry to see it either.. just find it mighty lame that they won't air it... for Traffic I hate to drive to another town (two hours)
[09:04] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Where do you live again -- i remember you saying you were born in the netherlands
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> hate: had
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy CA atm
[09:04] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Well lucky you.
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy in buttf*(&nowhere
[09:05] <ulisse> noone can help?
[09:05] <melazyboy> ulisse: run them out of a console, consoles catch error out
[09:05] <crimsun> ulisse: are you current w/ Hoary?
[09:05] <ulisse> yes
[09:06] <crimsun> ulisse: follow melazyboy's suggestion
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> ulisse did you change to utf?
[09:06] <ulisse> *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping.
[09:06] <ulisse> Segmentation fault
[09:06] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: How old are you?
[09:06] <gloin> Badgers may be run without security antennas, but this is not recommended. Insecure badgers may be hacked by anyone with a compatible card and badger bits.
[09:06] <ulisse> yes, i have it_IT UTF-8
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy asking: how old are you is assuming I am old
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> ulisse.. I went back to ISO.. too much hassle with utf and hoary
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> ISO-8859-1
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> I know, most dev will hang me for this.. but I had nothing but problems with it..
[09:07] <siimo> hoary is for bleeding edge whores
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> siimo mind your tongue please
[09:08] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: not at all was going to follow it up with what college are you going to or planning on going to... most of the people i meet on irc are either working in silicon valley or attending some important college
[09:08] <gloin> <--bleeding edge whore
[09:08] <ProfQki> hi! I need some help with installing samba
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> siimo this is not #slackware
[09:08] <gloin> !
[09:08] <gloin> lol
[09:08] <gloin> Tsjoklat: oh man
[09:08] <gloin> ho ho ho
[09:08] <siimo> ive never been 2 sw
[09:08] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: either of which im envious of.
[09:08] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, ok, I switched back to ISO, let me restart X and back here...
[09:09] <melazyboy> ProfQki: needing help with installing samba is pretty broad, are you using synaptic?
[09:09] <melazyboy> ProfQki: Or needing help with smb.conf
[09:09] <ixus> Good morning.  Any via users here?  I could do with some graphics advice
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am not attending any posh UNI sorry neither do I work in the valley of silicon
[09:10] <LucidVisions> the OSDL is 20 milles from me
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am mearly the furniture in this channel :P
[09:10] <ProfQki> i use apt... and i' ve got an error message
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> wb ulisse
[09:10] <ProfQki> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:10] <ProfQki>   samba: Fgg: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) de 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 mr teleptend
[09:10] <ProfQki> E: Broken packages
[09:10] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: lol
[09:10] <ulisse> nothing changed
[09:11] <ProfQki> and i cant install samba
[09:11] <ProfQki> how can i repair it?
[09:11] <Tsjoklat> ulisse.. I didn't get a change to tell you that changing back won't help... it is already set on your system.. I had to reinstall :{
[09:11] <melazyboy> ProfQki: 'apt-get -reinstall install samba-common'
[09:11] <melazyboy> ulisse: What exactly is the problem your locals are borked? or you don't know the problem and your making a speculation?
[09:11] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, is there a way to reinstall over current installation via apt?
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> ulisse utf+hoary did not work for me
[09:12] <siimo> ProfQki, are you using warty
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> ulisse do you want to stay with hoary or go back to warty?
[09:12] <melazyboy> ulisse: Yes the same context i just said, should reconfigure all of ubuntu if applied to the meta package, 'apt-get -reinstall install ubuntu-desktop'
[09:12] <ProfQki> siimo: yes iam using wart
[09:12] <LucidVisions> does nessus-update-plugins work for anyone else?
[09:13] <ProfQki> reinstall error message: Reinstallation of samba-common is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[09:13] <LucidVisions> im getting a wget not found,,but its installed
[09:13] <ulisse> melazboy, I think the problem is in the locales because yesterday Apt updated Locales, an I have also strange characters in the login screen
[09:13] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: is it in /usr/bin/wget?
[09:13] <LucidVisions> um,,lemme check
[09:14] <ulisse> melazyboy, instead of the * for the password I have a square with some numbers inside
[09:14] <siimo> ProfQki, have you tried apt-get update
[09:14] <LucidVisions> yeo
[09:14] <siimo> apt-get -f install
[09:14] <crimsun> ulisse: the locales package that was updated yesterday is a minor fix
[09:14] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, I'd like to stay with hoary
[09:14] <crimsun> ulisse: it won't affect locales proper
[09:14] <ProfQki> siimo: yes, it's done
[09:14] <melazyboy> ulisse: ulisse I might have to agree with your assumntion then, there is a dpkg that reconfigure locals one sec
[09:15] <davidpc> hey all. my wifi card (yup, broadcom chipset), which was working fine, has decided *not* to talk to my dhcp server anymore
[09:15] <ProfQki> siimo: any other idea?
[09:15] <davidpc> totally fresh install other than ndiswrapper
[09:15] <siimo> its working for me im not sure sry
[09:15] <Tsjoklat> ulisse... type: echo $LC_TYPE
[09:15] <ulisse> melazyboy, dpkg --configure locales
[09:15] <ulisse> dpkg: errore processando locales (--configure):
[09:15] <ulisse>  il pacchetto locales  gi installato e configurato
[09:15] <ulisse> Sono occorsi degli errori processando:
[09:15] <ulisse>  locales
[09:15] <Tsjoklat> what does that tell you
[09:16] <davidpc> getting no dhcpoffers even though other machines on the network are fine
[09:16] <melazyboy> ulisse: Thats because its dpkg-configre
[09:16] <melazyboy> ulisse: Thats because its dpkg-configure
[09:16] <gloin> does anyone here know any latin?
[09:16] <crimsun> melazyboy: you mean -reco..
[09:16] <Treenaks> gloin: you want to start #ubuntu-la ?
[09:16] <Treenaks> latin support?
[09:16] <gloin> Treenaks: nah heh
[09:17] <gloin> I just was wanting a snippet translated
[09:17] <melazyboy> ulisse: ***Thats because its 'dpkg-reconfigure locals'
[09:17] <melazyboy> there we go
[09:17] <crimsun> hehe
[09:17] <gloin> Suse vivo vixi victum reduco is ea id creatura absit decessus a facultas Linux! Dev root, dev root!
[09:17] <LucidVisions> nevermind,,its updating
[09:17] <deFrysk> locals= locales
[09:17] <gloin> the last bit I understand well enough
[09:18] <melazyboy> deFrysk: Thanks... =[
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> ulisse what did echo do?
[09:18] <ulisse> melazyboy, echo $LC_TYPE returns nothing
[09:18] <cef_work> well that's "oh so unhelpful".. *sigh* seems firewire is broken for me
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> ulisse if it was set up correctly it should give you a value for that
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> ulisse... I can only tell you what I had to do... sorry
[09:19] <deFrysk> locale charmap <enter>
[09:20] <deFrysk> UTF-8
[09:20] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:20] <davidpc> has anyone had a ndsiwrapper-bound card suddenly decide not to work? any advice on how to wake it up? dhcp server working fine and connection alive...just ubuntu machine not able to see it...any way to monitor wifi signal, perhaps?
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> and before anyone starts yelling about file a bug... no thank you, there are numerous of bugreports about xorg/utf-8 and what not
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> and it might work for you, awesome, it just didn't for me
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> basta
[09:21] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, do you speak Italian?
[09:21] <melazyboy> ulisse: Try deFrysk's advice before your nuke, 'local charmap'
[09:22] <deFrysk> local = locale
[09:22] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:22] <melazyboy> yar damit
[09:22] <deFrysk> :D
[09:22] <melazyboy> stupid homonymous
[09:22] <ulisse> deFrysk, if I type locale charmap i get ISO-8859-1
[09:22] <deFrysk> restart x
[09:22] <deFrysk> and try again
[09:23] <ulisse> deFrysk, what exactly I have to do?
[09:23] <deFrysk> ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> ulisse I do
[09:23] <deFrysk> and come back
[09:24] <melazyboy> deFrysk: CTRL+BACKSPACE
[09:24] <melazyboy> or ctrl+alt+backspace rather
[09:24] <ulisse> deFrysk, but what should change restarting X?
[09:24] <deFrysk> your locales
[09:24] <deFrysk> should change
[09:25] <deFrysk> after restering/resetting/ x
[09:25] <deFrysk> restarting
[09:25] <ulisse> deFrysk, I think I have to do something before restarting X... or not?
[09:25] <deFrysk> ulisse, have you settet your locales to utf-8 ?
[09:25] <ulisse> deFrysk, to change locales, i mean
[09:25] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:26] <deFrysk> choose utf-8
[09:26] <deFrysk> or an equivalent
[09:26] <deFrysk> use sudo
[09:26] <deFrysk> when done restart x
[09:27] <deFrysk> then check locale with locale charmap
[09:27] <deFrysk> done :/
[09:27] <ulisse> deFrysk, I have 2 UTF-8 choiches for it_IT: UTF-8 and UTF-8@euro
[09:27] <Treenaks> ulisse: use the UTF8 one, not the @euro one
[09:27] <ulisse> ok
[09:28] <ulisse> I'll back in a minute
[09:28] <deFrysk> Treenaks, :)
[09:28] <Treenaks> hey deFrysk
[09:28] <deFrysk> morning
[09:28] <cef_work> grrrr.. stupid damn ieee1394 driver
[09:29] <Treenaks> cef_work: what's with it?
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: lots of "Read (10)" errors courtsey of the SCSI layer
[09:30] <Treenaks> nice
[09:30] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, locale charmap now returns UTF-8
[09:30] <davidpc> work, dammit!
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: annoyhing is the 55G of data on the firewire drive
[09:30] <Treenaks> ulisse: then you now have an UTF-8 system, congratulations :)
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: put on there by the same machine, with all the same hardware, running the same release of ubuntu
[09:31] <ulisse> Yes, but FF still crashes
[09:31] <melazyboy> cef_work: 'echo ieee1394 >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d'
[09:31] <cef_work> melazybo2: erm, Im actually TRYING to use the device
[09:32] <melazyboy> cef_work: ah different story then.
[09:32] <deFrysk> ulisse, FF = firefox ?
[09:32] <ulisse> deFrysk, yes, sorry
[09:32] <cef_work> melazyboy: might have to resort to usb 1.1 to get the data off the drive.. ughh!!!
[09:32] <deFrysk> java is correctly installed on ff ?
[09:32] <Tsjoklate> ulisse how are doing on your ordeal?
[09:33] <ulisse> deFrysk,  i haven't java
[09:33] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, what do you mean with ordeal?
[09:33] <deFrysk> and flash ?
[09:33] <Tsjoklate> utf/iso
[09:34] <ulisse> deFrysk, flash is ok
[09:34] <deFrysk> ulisse, doe u have a complete hoary install ?
[09:34] <bluewheel> question for ubuntu ppc people. I recompiled the kernel and didn't ybin, at the boot prompt I manually tell it to look on the root hard disk and then specify root=/dev/hda10. While booting it says "VFS:cannot open root device"any ideas ?
[09:34] <ulisse> deFrysk, I updated from warty with dist-upgrade
[09:35] <deFrysk> ulisse, should work fine then :/
[09:35] <ulisse> deFrysk, it worked until yesterday, before an upgrade
[09:35] <ulisse> deFrysk, a dist-upgrade, i mean
[09:35] <deFrysk> yeah
[09:36] <deFrysk> I understand
[09:36] <deFrysk> maybe you should report it as a bug
[09:36] <deFrysk> i have to walk my dog :s
[09:36] <melazyboy> bluewheel: any more info than that?
[09:36] <deFrysk> later folks
[09:36] <melazyboy> bluewheel: I think i know what it is aucutally
[09:36] <Treenaks> Where can I send an email requesting a key signing party during the conference BEFORE friday? I won't be able to catch my plane if I go to the currently planned one :)
[09:36] <ulisse> deFrysk, but if I can't access the web, it is difficult to report a bug...
[09:37] <Treenaks> (hm, mako it is)
[09:37] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Let me start by telling you something with nothing else from you, the 2.6 kernel does not require a initrd with that said if you chose to not use one, you must build in a good amount of drives releated to your root drive into the kernel (bake)
[09:37] <wig> Does Ubuntu not come with gcc?
[09:37] <bluewheel> melazyboy, do you think it wants me to specify the device with the OpenFirmware device path ?
[09:38] <wig> cef_work: you here?
[09:38] <cryptomatt> anyone set up jabber on ubuntu?
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, yesterday I tried with the firefox binaries from mozilla site, too
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, it crashes at the same way
[09:38] <melazyboy> bluewheel: No thats how you specify the root directive, is root mounted on a firmware device?
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, it works only by root
[09:38] <wig> hey, does ubuntu come with GCC?
[09:38] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Im not sure you can use firewire without an initrd
[09:39] <b_e_n_z> wig, yes
[09:39] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Boot from firewire, rather.
[09:39] <wig> b_e_n_z: how come i get this error then? "gcc command not recognized" or something like that
[09:40] <b_e_n_z> wig, you need to apt-get it
[09:40] <freakabcd> wig, maybe you haven;t installed it?
[09:40] <wig> b_e_n_z: you just said it came with ubuntu
[09:40] <wig> freakabcd: i thought it came standard.
[09:40] <wood1> Good Afternoon and Morning to All
[09:41] <bluewheel> nha it's a hard disk boot
[09:41] <bluewheel> not firewire
[09:41] <freakabcd> wig, heh.. one must choose to install it, iirc
[09:41] <wood1> Can someone give me a picture of how PGP works ?
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: it didn't give me any options.
[09:41] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Are you using ATA drives ?
[09:41] <wood1> I went through the PGP's website documentation and I am still where I was before
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: i just put the cd in, and it did whatever it does.
[09:41] <freakabcd> i dunno man. i've never used ubuntu! i'm still waiting to receive my cds :)
[09:41] <bluewheel> melazyboy, Yes ATA it's a powerbook G4
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: damn.
[09:41] <freakabcd> does apt-get install gcc
[09:41] <wood1> Hello, stuNNed, are you there ?
[09:42] <freakabcd> does that work?
[09:42] <wig> freakabcd: doesn't matter, i dont got internet connection on ubuntu
[09:42] <wood1> Treenaks, are you there ?
[09:42] <wig> freakabcd: that's what im trying to accomplish
[09:42] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Ok in your ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL Support Tree in your kernel you will NEED all things relevent to booting  your OS BAKED in
[09:42] <Treenaks> wood1: almost.. I'm working
[09:42] <freakabcd> well, afaik you should be able to make your cd a src and apt-get install it from there!
[09:42] <wood1> Can you teach me how to setup Gpgp ?
[09:43] <bluewheel> one of the kernels I specify is the old stock ubuntu kernel and it has the same problem, using the install cd I can boot and mount the disk just fine
[09:43] <Treenaks> wood1: I wouldn't know how it works
[09:43] <bluewheel> and being the stock kernel I know it works, well it used to
[09:43] <bluewheel> too
[09:43] <wig> freakabcd: eh?
[09:43] <melazyboy> bluewheel: that includes, the top of the tree, 'ehanced ide/mfm/rll disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support', if you have a slave drive you will need 'include ide/ata-2 disk support', you will also need 'generic/default IDE chipset support', and 'PCI IDE chipset support', as well as 'Generic PCI IDE chipset support'
[09:43] <wood1> Well does anybody know how to setup Gpgp in Ubuntu ?
[09:44] <wood1> Help, help, I am stuck with Gpgp
[09:44] <freakabcd> wig, the packages should be on the cd. hence, if you setup apt to use the cd as a package src, then you should just be able to apt-get install gcc
[09:44] <cef_work> damn firewire... grrrr
[09:44] <melazyboy> bluewheel: If any of your drives or chipsets are nongeric substitute them with the appropriate alterntive on the same tier
[09:44] <cef_work> freakabcd: and a good reference on setting up a source for someone who has no idea what one is?
[09:44] <melazyboy> BTW anyone in the houston area hiring, will work for food broadband and rent
[09:45] <freakabcd> cef_work, i have no clue. i've never admin'ed a deb box, or even installed a deb box :)
[09:45] <melazyboy> bluewheel: where any of those not enabled?
[09:46] <melazyboy> bluewheel: and/or not built into the kernel
[09:46] <bluewheel> melazyboy, but if the kernel that worked yesterday should be the symlink to vmlinux.old after installing using the dpkg, but now it seems to be failing when i explicitly specify the kernel of vmlinux.old my issue seems to be that it can't find the partition
[09:46] <wood1> Can somebody here tell me how to setup Gpgp in Evolution ?
[09:46] <wig> cef_work: hey, does gcc come installed on ubuntu?
[09:46] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy, halliburton perhaps?
[09:46] <cef_work> wig: not installed by default.. afaik, it's on the cd
[09:46] <wig> cef_work: how do i install that sucker?
[09:46] <cef_work> but I'm not sure
[09:46] <bluewheel> melazyboy, it says Unbable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[09:46] <cef_work> mainly cos I don't have a full cd here. just net installs
[09:47] <melazyboy> bluewheel: If you built your own kernel then those options will yeild that error, when not baked in, i know your error, its a big one 80
[09:47] <wig> cef_work: damn
[09:47] <freakabcd> wig, you're best in asking how to setup a cd as a package source
[09:47] <melazyboy> bluewheel: err, 80% of the peopel that try without initrd screw up the first time it took me a fwe trys i just figured it out yesterday
[09:47] <wood1> Is there nobody here who can guide me through the setup process of Gpgp in Evolution ?
[09:47] <freakabcd> cef_work, you ordered what???
[09:47] <freakabcd> 240 CDs ??
[09:47] <wig> freakabcd: how do i setupi a cd as a package source
[09:47] <cef_work> wig: tell me about it.  I probably should have ordered more
[09:48] <freakabcd> google should be able to help
[09:48] <LucidVisions> wow
[09:48] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy, oh they have tons of jobs... esp those contract jobs in Iraq
[09:48] <freakabcd> cef_work, ordered more!
[09:48] <melazyboy> bluewheel: No problem, just remember anything your using in the ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support should be baked in
[09:48] <cef_work> freakabcd: I'm the president of a 1000+ LUG.. going to give some away
[09:48] <freakabcd> are you like distributor for your city? :p
[09:48] <wig> i dont even know how to use apt-get or whatever
[09:49] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: I don't really want to go to iraq, i already have a job too i just don't like it
[09:49] <LucidVisions> lol
[09:49] <cef_work> wonder how that guy who ordered 3000 got on
[09:49] <freakabcd> 3000!!!!
[09:49] <freakabcd> holy crap
[09:49] <freakabcd> really?
[09:49] <cef_work> yup
[09:49] <freakabcd> no way! you're pulling my leg
[09:50] <LucidVisions> cef_work: are thats unreal,wow man
[09:50] <cef_work> hey, they're free.. long as you have a good reason, they'll give em away
[09:50] <LucidVisions> cool beans
[09:50] <freakabcd> what, that 3000 guy is like the cupplier for Tonga or something ?
[09:50] <cef_work> he's apparently aiming to give them to every attendee for some conference or show or something
[09:50] <freakabcd> an entire country!
[09:50] <freakabcd> hehe
[09:50] <melazyboy> Because all companies that give away CDs are successfull look at AOL... wait wait.. thats right they are failing horrably..
[09:51] <nada> hello all.  i have been running ubuntu warty on my laptop for a few weeks and i love it.  but today i did an apt-get upgrade and suddenly my internal wireless stopped working
[09:51] <cef_work> melazyboy: yeah but they give them to people who don't ask for them
[09:51] <nada> anyone able to help me with that?
[09:51] <wig> anyone know how to apt-get from a cd?
[09:51] <melazyboy> cef_work: ... and i imagine a good portion of those asking for them will do either that, or play frisbee
[09:51] <cef_work> wig: 'apt-cdrom' afaik
[09:51] <freakabcd> i'm out.. i ordered a measly 15. i'll give away everyone (excepting 2) to people who are interested at UNI
[09:51] <wig> what's afaik mean?
[09:51] <cef_work> as far as I know
[09:51] <wig> okay, so apt-cdrom, what's that do?
[09:52] <ulisse> how can I reinstall ubuntu via apt?
[09:52] <cef_work> adds cdroms as apt sources
[09:52] <wig> cef_work: then i just pick what i want?
[09:52] <melazyboy> ulisse: 'apt-get -reinstall install ubuntu-desktop'
[09:52] <cef_work> wig: then you should just be able to use synaptic or apt-get
[09:53] <wig> cef_work: what's apt-get? ive never used before.
[09:53] <freakabcd> wig, apt-cdrom add; apt-get install gcc
[09:53] <freakabcd> see if that works
[09:53] <nada> anyone know how i can determine what hardware my internal wireless card is?  ubuntu autodetected it before, but now broken. :(
[09:53] <wig> freakabcd: alrighty
[09:54] <ironwolf> nada: what's your model #?
[09:54] <melazyboy> nada, lspci -a
[09:54] <wig> cef_work: also, when i put the kernel sources in the /usr/src place, the "make" file on the modem patch says ".config" can't be found
[09:54] <cef_work> or go into synaptic and select 'Edit -> add CDRom' and then pick/choose the packages to install
[09:54] <nada> fujitsu s7010
[09:54] <melazyboy> nada, rather, lspci -vv
[09:54] <davidpc> nada: join me in wifi hell, the water's warm ;-)
[09:54] <cef_work> wig: cos you haven't built them yet
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: built what? o_O
[09:55] <cef_work> wig: the kernel.. using gcc
[09:55] <freakabcd> cef_work, err.. done a config yet
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: i gotta BUILD the kernel too?
[09:55] <cef_work> errr.. true..
[09:55] <cef_work> wig: well you're building the driver, right?
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: it's from a tar.g i downloaded
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> wig just had a fit.. kernel building!
[09:56] <ironwolf> davidpc: what's your card?
[09:56] <freakabcd> wig no need to rebuild the kernel if the driver can be loaded as a module
[09:56] <cef_work> wig: actually you only need to copy the config into the right place.. it's just that the drive 'expects' that you've just build a kernel
[09:56] <cef_work> driver even
[09:56] <wig> cef_work: how do i do that?
[09:56] <freakabcd> wig, like i said earlier:: GET gcc installed first!
[09:57] <freakabcd> you're not going to get anywhere without gcc!
[09:57] <cef_work> wig: cd into the kernel source, then 'cp /boot/config-<tab> .config'
[09:57] <wig> freakabcd: i just want all my info right now, cause it's a bitch rebooting
[09:57] <nada> ok, i found that i have an intel pro/wireless 2200bg
[09:57] <cef_work> wig: the config depends on what kernel you're running at the time
[09:57] <freakabcd> wig, reboot what? after installing gcc?
[09:57] <freakabcd> no need to reboot
[09:57] <wig> freakabcd: im on windows now
[09:58] <freakabcd> doh.. ok
[09:58] <wig> :-P
[09:58] <cef_work> hrm... really wonder why this can't be done with kernel headers.. wish I had a machine that wasn't doing production work to test this sort of stuff on
[09:58] <wig> anyway, i think that's about it.
[09:58] <wig> im sorry for being so retarded about this
[09:58] <freakabcd> wig everyone is when they start! :)
[09:58] <cef_work> wig: nah it's called 'stupid winmodem' syndrome
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> wig we all had to learn
[09:58] <wig> haha
[09:58] <cef_work> wig: what brand winmodem?
[09:58] <wig> cef_work: lucent/agere
[09:59] <cef_work> ahhh yukko
[09:59] <freakabcd> wig, those will work like a charm!
[09:59] <wig> freakabcd: yeah. ive got it working with the 2.4.22 kernel before
[09:59] <freakabcd> and let me tell you know there is NO kernel recompile necessary for them
[09:59] <wig> freakabcd: but goddam 2.6.n is tuff.
[09:59] <wig> tough*
[09:59] <wood1> wig, do you have expertise in Gpgp ?
[09:59] <freakabcd> just build the driver as a module and load away
[09:59] <wig> wood1: i got expertise is nothing .:-P what's gpgp?
[10:00] <wig> freakabcd: yeah, im gonna go get on that
[10:00] <wood1> Well it's OK
[10:00] <wig> thanks for the help everyone, much appreciated.
[10:00] <wood1> freakabcd, do you have any idea on Gpgp ?
[10:00] <freakabcd> can;t say i've used it
[10:01] <wood1> How do we use Gpgp ?
[10:01] <freakabcd> are you trying to get a pgp sig ?
[10:01] <melazyboy> When you use dri with radeon drivers, how do you tell x to use them in xorg.conf, you have it boot with what as the driver? 'ati'? or is there a diff name for dri?
[10:01] <wood1> Well I have got the signature from Seahorse, how do we use that Signature in Evolution mail ?
[10:01] <nada> so, my internal wireless is intel pro 2200bg, and a previous ubuntu post says it works with the  ipw2200.sf.net  driver.  but not sure how to -reinstall that
[10:02] <freakabcd> wood1, theres an option to put/use the sig in evo
[10:02] <wood1> I have the key ID, how do I use that key in Evolution
[10:02] <wood1> Well I got the Error while doing that
[10:02] <freakabcd> what error?
[10:03] <freakabcd> gotta run, talk later
[10:03] <cef_work> well now that I've started a copy of 55G over USB 1.1, I'm going to go home.. hopefully it'll be finished by monday the 6th.. *sigh*
[10:03] <mjr> melazyboy, ati should do fine
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, as long as there's the Load "dri" line and frined
[10:04] <mjr> s
[10:04] <melazyboy> mjr: Im only getting 200fps with glxgears, with fglrx i got 2k? how come such a big differnce then?
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, what radeon do you have?
[10:04] <melazyboy> 9800pro
[10:04] <wood1> Error saying that the path of Gpgp could not be found
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, it isn't supported by dri, ATI won't give the specs
[10:05] <mjr> there's a project to reverse-engineer it, but I don't think they've gotten too far at this point
[10:05] <melazyboy> well that sucks...
[10:05] <melazyboy> So no reason to use DRI at all then?
[10:05] <mjr> yes, it does
[10:05] <mjr> not for you
[10:06] <melazyboy> ill just remove it from kernel and xorg.conf then... thats blows
[10:06] <wood1> mjr, can you help me to setup Gpgp in Evolution ?
[10:06] <bluewheel> melazyboy, yea I had the same problem with my R7500 but now it "works"
[10:06] <wood1> freakabcd ?
[10:06] <melazyboy> mjr: thanks for help
[10:06] <melazyboy> bluewheel: what did you do to get it working?
[10:06] <mjr> wood1, it's not something that you really should need to set up, should Just Work ;) But you can define the key in settings/mail accounts/security
[10:07] <bluewheel> melazyboy, Michel Danzers DRI but it will not work with your chip yet
[10:07] <mjr> well, R7500 is a different beast, for that there's specs and all
[10:07] <mjr> the latest ATI card with specs and working DRI drivers is 9250
[10:08] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Funny thing is ATI mentions his web site for open source drivers
[10:08] <mjr> (which also therefore happens to be what I bought for my new box)
[10:08] <wood1> mjr, you mean just type in the Key ID in Evolution's security PGP Key ?
[10:08] <melazyboy> Another funny thing is the kernel docs point to a page that is unavailble
[10:08] <mjr> wood1, for example, or the key's e-mail address or something
[10:08] <bluewheel> melazyboy, at least I highly doubt it, but I know for DRI support it took a fair while but then it does have limitations, "blender" will crash when rendering for one thing
[10:09] <melazyboy> They point you to www.ati.com/na/pages/products/pc/radeon32/index.html
[10:09] <mjr> wood1, it should use a key matching the sending e-mail address by default, I think, though
[10:09] <bluewheel> melazyboy, I just use OSX for my graphics stuff it's very well supported, then linux for all my other stuff
[10:10] <bluewheel> saves a lot of headaches
[10:10] <bluewheel> but creates a few in it's self of course :-)
[10:10] <melazyboy> bluewheel: But having fglrx made my linux experience much more friendly
[10:10] <bluewheel> fglrx ?
[10:10] <bluewheel> never heard of it
[10:10] <wood1> mjr, I have already created a Key using Seahorse, how do I use it in Evolution ?
[10:11] <LucidVisions> great drivers
[10:11] <melazyboy> bluewheel: The ati proprietary driver
[10:11] <bluewheel> google ... click ahhh :-)
[10:11] <mjr> wood1, as I said, it should just work if you tell it to pgp sign messages
[10:11] <mjr> wood1, and as I also said, you can type the ID in there if it doesn't
[10:12] <bluewheel> ahh but it will not support my radeon which is too old now :(
[10:12] <wood1> How do we create a Gpgp Key in the first place ?
[10:12] <bluewheel> reason for a new powerook I guess :-)
[10:14] <lessthankyle> anyone around?
[10:14] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, yea
[10:14] <lessthankyle> cool
[10:14] <lessthankyle> i could use some advice
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> 276 in total
[10:15] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, don't ask to ask, just ask :-) you'll get less flames that way
[10:15] <lessthankyle> fair enough
[10:15] <lessthankyle> i just installed a bit ago, and i need to be able to access my secondary hard drive from it, but it didn't pick it up
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: hwo does lspci work?
[10:16] <bluewheel> what do you mean didn't pick it up ? there is no /dev entry or it does not have a entry on the desktop ?
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: Its listing my card as an Radeon R300 [Radeon 9500 Pro]
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: Could it be listing it wrong, or does it get that from the card itself, i thought the card was a 9800pro
[10:17] <lessthankyle> there is a dev entry
[10:17] <lessthankyle> nothingon the desktop or in the filesystem
[10:17] <lessthankyle> for the actual files
[10:17] <lessthankyle> it has the hdbl partition in the dev folder
[10:17] <mjr> melazyboy, it's the same thing with 9500, so doesn't really matter for this
[10:18] <bluewheel> so on hard disk 'B' it's partition l you want to mount ? what file system is it ?
[10:18] <lessthankyle> fat32
[10:18] <melazyboy> mjr: bah no love
[10:18] <bluewheel> ahhh cool, ok wall you need to sudo or have root access to mount the device
[10:18] <lessthankyle> i do
[10:18] <mjr> wood1, seahorse is a frontend for gpg, so creating a key with that should work
[10:19] <bluewheel> then when it works add it to your /etc/fstab file to mount at boot time, so lets mount it first
[10:19] <melazyboy> mjr: I wonde why the kernel doesn't make a note for DRI under Radeon that 9k+ are not supported
[10:19] <lessthankyle> i found a wiki entry for that, and followed it
[10:19] <bluewheel> have you made a dir for it to mount into, something like /mnt/Windows
[10:19] <lessthankyle> i made /mnt/win98
[10:19] <lessthankyle> and this is what i added to my fstab file
[10:19] <bluewheel> partly, there is more to add than just that. What command did you use to mount it ?
[10:20] <bluewheel> try mount -t vfat /dev/hdbl /mnt/win98
[10:20] <lessthankyle> in the fstab: /dev/hdbl  /mnt/win98   vfat    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000   0    0
[10:20] <wood1> bluewheel, do you have some ideas using Gpgp ?
[10:20] <mjr> melazyboy, because that's not true, up to 9250 are supported as I said :)
[10:21] <mjr> but yeah, it might say something more accurate about it
[10:21] <melazyboy> mjr: Point being it should make a note that 9250+ are NOT supported
[10:21] <melazyboy>  =D
[10:21] <melazyboy> mjr: Yea or atleast not point to a 404 website.
[10:21] <bluewheel> wood1, sorry dude never used Gpgp i'd like to know how though at some point :-) but right now I am busy with a broken kernel :-)
[10:21] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, how did it go /
[10:21] <lessthankyle> well it brought it up
[10:22] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, so it worked ?
[10:22] <lessthankyle> let me reboot and make sure it still comes up
[10:22] <bluewheel> well I have not looked at the fstab entry yet, but at least you can get it to work :-)
[10:22] <bluewheel> emmm ....
[10:24] <lessthankyle> alright, it is in the /mnt/win98 dir now
[10:24] <lessthankyle> but i can't seem to open any of the folders in it
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> lessythankyle what does your fstab say?
[10:25] <lessthankyle> in the fstab: /dev/hdbl  /mnt/win98   vfat    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000   0    0
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda2       /windows/D      vfat    noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> is mine
[10:27] <lessthankyle> just change the options on mine then?
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> you could give it a go
[10:28] <lessthankyle> ok
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> if it works cool beans right :)
[10:32] <lessthankyle> well it shows up on the desktop now
[10:32] <lessthankyle> but whenever i try to open anything in it (they all have the same icon, the green footprint), it just disappears
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> lessthankyle what does 'mount' say in console?
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> without '
[10:34] <bluewheel> Tsjoklat, could it be a permission problem ? i am on ppc so I have not used fat32 before :-)
[10:34] <lessthankyle> a number of lines
[10:34] <lessthankyle> any in particular you want? or should i type all of them
[10:34] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, what does it say against /dev/hdbl
[10:35] <bluewheel> (rw) or (ro) ?
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> does it say anywhere your win98?
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> what does /dev/hdb1 say?
[10:36] <lessthankyle> it says : /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/win98 type vfat (rw)
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> I think the (rw) is your problem
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> I don't use it
[10:37] <lessthankyle> i'd imagine that just points to the fact it's rewriteable? not read only?
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> don't know, all I know is that I don't have it in mine
[10:37] <jiyuu0> lessthankyle, what u trying to do?
[10:38] <lessthankyle> well i have the other drive mountedn ow
[10:38] <lessthankyle> now i'm just trying to access the files on it
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> hey seb128
[10:38] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, ls -l /mnt/win98
[10:38] <seb128> morning
[10:39] <lessthankyle> ok
[10:41] <lessthankyle> it lists out the files of the drive
[10:43] <lessthankyle> well, i can toy around with it for a bit longer
[10:44] <lessthankyle> i appreciate the help so far, thank you
[10:44] <lessthankyle> off to bed for now
[10:45] <melazyboy> What do the different umask values mean?
[10:45] <melazyboy> "The bitmask of the permissions that are _not_ present). The default is the umask of the current process. The value is given in octal.
[10:46] <melazyboy> "
[10:46] <melazyboy> thats a pretty shotty description
[10:46] <Treenaks> well, max permissions is 4777 .. so if umask is 0022, files that programs open as "0777" will become 0755
[10:49] <melazyboy> Would the max umask be 1777
[10:49] <melazyboy> im reading a tutorial
[10:49] <melazyboy> because there is only one value for the sticky bit right?
[10:50] <davidstylesjr> i believe so
[10:51] <davidstylesjr> has anyone upgraded to gaim 1.0.3 on warty and how did you do it
[10:51] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: I haven't but im sure they did an apt-get update && apt-get install gaim
[10:52] <davidstylesjr> melazy:  its not in the warty repositories, only up to version 1.0
[10:52] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Then you have to change to hoary repositories
[10:52] <davidstylesjr> doing that breaks x even with only a gaim upgrade :)
[10:53] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Don't upgrade X
[10:53] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Just apt-get update, get the new version of gaim, and revert to warty repositories
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  im not, simply by upgrading gaim and its dependencies
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> x gets broken
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> it continously tries to start upon booting...have heard of this problem from others attempting update
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> so im trying to find out if anyone has done it successfully using an alternate method
[10:55] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: That can't be, the packager would specify what t he bare minimum version of X that will run with GAIM is and when you install GAIM it would install all the packages needed to meet the dependency of GAIM
[10:55] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Well there could be a problem, you can always build them from source, but then your setting yourself up for failure in the future because sources bypas dpkg.
[10:56] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  i believe that gaim for hoary is different since its designed to run on xorg
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> sinds when is x an requirement for gaim?
[10:56] <melazyboy> you basicly have 2 of choices, maintain your deb archive, or break it, you can break it with alien, or sources and achive your objective, or you can risk it with hoary or sid repositories
[10:56] <melazyboy> If your sure hoary has a defective package (which it really shoulden't im using it) you can revert to sid, and run through the same procedure
[10:57] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr are you saying when you upgrade to hoary gaim on your warty box it wants to d/l xorg?
[10:57] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: You woudlen't think
[10:57] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  no, but many other dependencies
[10:57] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Wait he is right...
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy really? waaaww
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy that is funky
[10:59] <davidstylesjr> and then x will not run correctly from then on
[10:59] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: it has listed for 'reverse depends' ubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I imagine that could see the ubuntu-desktop in hoary, and want to replace the one from warty because of the higher version number, since that a meta-package i would imagine it would function almost the same as a full blown dist-upgrade
[11:01] <melazyboy> It could see the ubuntu-desktop*
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> well I guess it is not a good idea anymore to use hoary packages on a warty box then
[11:01] <pitti> Hey Tsjoklat! I keep coming and going today, frequent reboots...
[11:02] <melazyboy> Im not sure how reverse depends work, if thats just a foot note that a package currently depends on that -- or if it will seek to upgrade the reverse depends just like the depends
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> pitti I saw that.. need some superglue? :)
[11:02] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  attempting that has seriously crippled three different warty installations i have tried it on
[11:02] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  trying various packages such as firefox, gaim and xorg only
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I guess the thread on the forum should be amended then.. since it says it is fine to do so
[11:02] <pitti> Tsjoklat: no, some fixed kernels :-)
[11:02] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: xorg will break fglrx if you use them
[11:03] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  any only filling dependencies w/o a complete upgrade
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> mmm I was going to try to upgrade some packages from hoary but I guess I will pass
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> pitti :)
[11:05] <davidstylesjr> for firefox, i used the sid debs to upgrade instead, but that is only one out of many...i wish xorg would upgrade reliably as complete hoary installs have been unstable for me
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I am not updating to hoary until xorg is a tad more stable
[11:05] <davidstylesjr> agreed
[11:06] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I guess it is too early for my liking.. I am certain it will all be fab by the release date but that is still far away
[11:07] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  sigh...
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr gotta have patience :)
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> or courage :P
[11:08] <davidstylesjr> i have an odd question for all, and i only ask here because i need printing services semi-soon for school purposes, and i do not know much about cups...my printer is not available as an option, whereas it has been in all other late linux distributions i have tried, how can i add support for particular models
[11:08] <melazyboy> I wish xorg would support fglrx
[11:09] <daniels> melazyboy: you mean you wish fglrx would support xorg
[11:09] <melazyboy> Either way... fglrx worked fine with xfree86, what did xorg do that was so important they coulden't include legacy code, granted im talking out of my ass but still..
[11:12] <melazyboy> I just don't think too highly of Xorg after that executive decision, they should have it in big bold letters does not support radeon 9250+ on the front page, it applies to what 15% of the xfree userbase, if you take into account the userbase that is willing to upgrade to a newer xserver its probably closer to 30%
[11:13] <wood1> Can anyone teach me how to setup Gnupg in Evolution ?
[11:13] <wood1> melazyboy, do you have expertise in Gnupg ?
[11:14] <melazyboy> wood1: sorry can't say i do, I dont care much about pgp
[11:15] <wood1> daniels, do you have expertise in Gnupg ?
[11:15] <tck> i hope my cd's come today
[11:15] <daniels> wood1: sort of, but kind of short of time
[11:16] <daniels> melazyboy: um, dude, x.org added new features, it wasn't removing anything old.  it was stuff that was needed to properly go forward, and ati has not updated their drivers.
[11:16] <daniels> melazyboy: and x.org supports every ati card you can currently buy, and a few you can't.  3d acceleration in r3xx/r4xx is not there yet, but saying it doesn't support r3xx/r4xx is entirely disingenuous.
[11:19] <melazyboy> daniels: I coulden't possibly think any lower of ATI --  with that said, i just fail to see the reason legacy code couldn't have been implimented -- or even a warning when you upgrade, will loose fglrx drivers, i see a noticable difference between the two xfree86, and xorg on the 2d layers aswell transparencies get killed
[11:20] <daniels> melazyboy: it is not 'legacy code' that was removed, it was new code that was added and unavoidably changed the driver model a bit.  this has happened in most major xfree86 releases.
[11:21] <melazyboy> daniels: It was rumored on one of the boards that ATI annouced 3 months untill driver upgrades
[11:21] <melazyboy> daniels: And on atis fglrx faq, they don't even officially support 2.6 yet =/
[11:22] <jono> jdub, ping
[11:23] <jono> anyone here compile the GNOME CVS?
[11:27] <Kamion> melazyboy: reverse dependencies of foo aren't upgraded automatically when you say 'apt-get install foo'; even dependencies are only upgraded if the dependency is versioned to something newer than what you have installed
[11:27] <jdub> jono: pong
[11:28] <melazyboy> Kamion: And woulden't all of Hoary's versioning be greater than sid?
[11:28] <melazyboy> version numbers*
[11:28] <Kamion> melazyboy: no
[11:28] <Kamion> much of it is equal to sid
[11:28] <melazyboy> ... ubuntu-desktop>?
[11:29] <Kamion> melazyboy: versioned dependencies are increased where necessary, depending on the library API; it's not a "this distribution > that other distribution" kind of thing
[11:29] <Kamion> API/ABI, I mean
[11:29] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop is just an installed-by-default package that isn't in sid, nothing special
[11:30] <melazyboy> Kamion: since all of the packages in hoary are upgraded on a more regular baises, would that not mean that ubuntu-desktop would also have to be upgraded because it is a meta package that includes all others?
[11:30] <Kamion> melazyboy: nope, doesn't work that way
[11:31] <Kamion> melazyboy: ubuntu-desktop simply says "in order to have this package installed, all these other packages must be installed too"
[11:32] <Kamion> it doesn't "include" anything much to speak of in the usual sense of inclusion
[11:32] <Kamion> damn, this box is slow
[11:32] <melazyboy> The version of ubuntu-desktop in hoary, is .8; while the one in warty is .3...
[11:33] <melazyboy> I would imagine because the hoary package set changes, when they change the list of what it contains, it has to be incremented to reflect the change
[11:33] <Kamion> melazyboy: we update it when the set of packages involved changes
[11:33] <Kamion> correct
[11:33] <tck> can one download a pre-lease of hoary now
[11:33] <tck> or is it only for developers ?
[11:33] <Kamion> tck: hoary is public
[11:33] <tck> doh!
[11:33] <tck> linkage ?
[11:33] <subterrific> is ubuntu working on multiarch support for amd64 at all?>
[11:34] <Kamion> tck: to what exactly?
[11:34] <tck> a download
[11:34] <melazyboy> tck: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change all occurances of 'warty', with 'hoary'
[11:34] <Kamion> subterrific: well, one of our staff is one of the main multiarch designers/developers, if that's what you mean
[11:34] <tck> cool
[11:34] <melazyboy> run apt-get update, and 'apt-get dist-upgrade upgrade'
[11:34] <Kamion> tck: if you need a CD image, links to ISOs went out on the mailing list a while back; search for Subject: Array CD 1
[11:35] <Kamion> just 'apt-get dist-upgrade', no need to say upgrade too
[11:35] <tck> cool :)
[11:35] <tck> whats hoary like compared to warty, any views on it
[11:36] <Kamion> in quite a bit of flux, upgrades not guaranteed to work
[11:36] <tck> i dont use flux, X.org is in there innit
[11:36] <Kamion> installs not guaranteed to work, for that matter :) I'm trying to get the daily CDs fixed ...
[11:36] <melazyboy> tck: do you use a radeon 9250+
[11:36] <Kamion> tck: uh ... flux is a term meaning lots of change
[11:36] <Kamion> X.org is there, yes
[11:36] <tck> nope, its an old laptop
[11:36] <subterrific> Kamion: i guess that answers my question :) i'm currently using gentoo on my amd64 box because it had the best amd64 support around when i built it. i'd really like to switch to ubuntu though and multiarch support is really the only thing holding me back
[11:37] <tck> *mental note* flux = change
[11:37] <Kamion> subterrific: dunno if we're doing multiarch for hoary though, it's a huge and complicated shift and will be easier if we're doing it in rough sync with Debian
[11:38] <Tsjoklat> night everybody, melazyboy I hope TX is nicer to you tomorrow :)
[11:39] <karp> hey, have anyone got cedega to work with amd64?
[11:39] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Thanks, see you later -- you should come to texas its fun i swear..
[11:39] <subterrific> Kamion: i understand. thanks for the info.
[11:40] <subterrific> karp: i was just reading about that actually
[11:40] <karp> i really want to play warcraft :(
[11:40] <melazyboy> karp: get cedega
[11:40] <linux_galore> gave my CD Ubuntu pack to a friend so he could try the live CD.he liked it so much he intalled it lol
[11:40] <karp> got it
[11:40] <karp> and i installed it but i get insert cd error, and i use nocd patch
[11:41] <subterrific> karp: on some wiki i read that using a 32bit chroot is the best way, but i don't really buy that. i think it should be possible to install the correct libraries into /usr/lib32 to make it work
[11:41] <tck> postman just came ; no cd's :/
[11:41] <subterrific> karp: what did you do to get it running on amd64?
[11:41] <melazyboy> karp, did you patch before you used no cd patch?
[11:41] <karp> heh im using my windows version
[11:42] <karp> i cant install it i linux with cedega
[11:42] <melazyboy> karp: No cd patches are specific to the diff versions of the game, you will need to apply the warcraft patch, then the no cdpatch to get it working
[11:42] <melazyboy> karp, what os are you getting the no cd error with?
[11:42] <subterrific> karp: what did you do to get cedega running on amd64? are you using a pure64 install?
[11:45] <karp> ive installed ubuntu with 64 bit support and then i just installed the cedega deb package with --force-architecture
[11:45] <karp> if thats an answer
[11:45] <karp> =)
[11:45] <subterrific> it is, but i thought cedega required libpng
[11:45] <subterrific> did you not install a 32bit libpng?
[11:46] <karp> i got 32bit libs
[11:46] <karp> do you know the package name?
[11:47] <subterrific> libpng3 is what the cedega deb has listed as a requirement
[11:47] <karp> yes i have it
[11:47] <karp> but check this
[11:47] <subterrific> i can figure it out myself, i was just wondering if you did a chroot or what
[11:47] <karp> if i put wc roc cd in the drive
[11:47] <karp> and try use install.exe
[11:48] <karp> Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
[11:48] <jono> jdub, no worries, sorted it now :)
[11:48] <subterrific> yeah, just use -use-pthread no
[11:48] <karp> and if i use -use-pthreads nothing happends
[11:49] <subterrific> karp: thats wrong
[11:49] <karp> sry i missed a no
[11:49] <subterrific> karp: -use-pthread no
[11:49] <karp> yes i do that
[11:49] <karp> nothing happends
[11:49] <karp> cedega -use-pthreads no /cdrom/install.exe
[11:50] <subterrific> hrm
[11:50] <subterrific> have you gotten it to run anything?
[11:51] <karp> nopes
[11:51] <karp> i only have wc3 on my drive right now
[11:51] <karp> but i got games on cds i could try
[11:51] <jimro> Hello, I wonder if there are any Open Source-developers here who could be so kind to participate in a interview for a researchpaper?
[11:52] <jdub> jimro: sounds interesting, what are you researching?
[11:52] <jimro> jdub: Open Source and motivational factors
[11:52] <jdub> jimro: ah. cool.
[11:53] <jdub> jimro: how many questions? :)
[11:53] <subterrific> jimro: curious, how are you focusing it on open source developers and not just any developer? how is there a difference?
[11:53] <jimro> jdub: about 20-30 questions
[11:54] <jdub> jimro: i contribute to gnome and ubuntu, you're welcome to mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:54] <jimro> subterrific: well there is something called intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, there seems to be a difference between open and closed source :)
[11:55] <jdub> heh
[11:55] <jimro> jdub: can i msg you?
[11:55] <jdub> sure
[11:56] <subterrific> jimro: do you really think it is that black and white?
[11:57] <karp> subterrific, http://rafb.net/paste/results/mj0pM088.html
[11:58] <jimro> subterrific: no, but this research is focusing on open source
[11:58] <karp> seems like Xrender fucks with me
[12:01] <rea> For some reason my installation inists I can only have a monitor refresh rate of 60hz, this is really hurting my eye's how can I change it ? (I presume its a XF86config-4 setting?)
[12:01] <hypa7ia> so i'm getting a ton of locale errors in my hoary upgrade
[12:02] <subterrific> jimro: well it sounds like a very complex topic, you've got your work cut out for you
[12:02] <tck> rea, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:03] <tck> see if that allows you to adjust scan rate
[12:05] <rory__> eish
[12:05] <rory__> cant get bochs to run ubuntu
[12:06] <rea> tck, brb, need to reset X
[12:07] <linux_galore> hmm
[12:07] <subterrific> karp: hrm, that doesn't look good. can you get anything at all to run?
[12:08] <rory__> i can get the demo linux that comes with the installer to run
[12:08] <rory__> ubuntu shows first splash for install
[12:08] <tck> man those ubuntu cd cases look well swanky
[12:08] <tck> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story37848.html
[12:09] <tck> i thought they'd be a little plastic sleeve or something, can't wait  :))
[12:09] <linux_galore> yeah I gave the two sets I have out on a loaner now i cant get the things back
[12:10] <rory__> lol
[12:10] <rory__> i ordered my 10 to work address but wont be here when they get here
[12:10] <linux_galore> Im stuck with copies of the cd's
[12:11] <tck> :)
[12:11] <linux_galore> cant wait for the next release....hmmm xorg
[12:11] <tck> i have all my mates converted already
[12:11] <tck> gonna hand some out at the next 2600 meet too
[12:11] <tck> i'll prob. need more :)
[12:12] <linux_galore> tck: what 2600 meeting place is that
[12:12] <tck> dublin
[12:12] <linux_galore> aaah they have a meeting place here in Sydney
[12:13] <linux_galore> its a pub near central station.......they always play.....spot the fed
[12:15] <tck> haha, well the ones here have great people that go, linux peeps, radio , wi-fi
[12:15] <tck> just a nice group that go out grab some food , have a drink, fairly old crowd too :)
[12:17] <hypa7ia> toronto 2600 rocks too :-)
[12:22] <tck> hey are there plans for official ubuntu t-shirts :P
[12:22] <hypa7ia> tck, there already are some :-)
[12:23] <tck> damn.
[12:23] <Qo-noS> hey any one around too kickban some spanish fascists spammers in#debian? they are spoiling it for everyone there
[12:23] <tck> debian chan is way to up its own arse for me
[12:24] <tck> *too
[12:24] <Qo-noS> tck: that's no excuse for tolerating some fascist nonsense and condoning of actions of the Real Madrid Ultras
[12:25] <tck> i dont know the whole story , so im staying out of political disputes
[12:27] <wood1> Does somebody here knows about Gpg ?
[12:27] <wood1> Qo-noS, ?
[12:27] <wood1> tck, do you have expertise in Gpg ?
[12:27] <tck> the crypto
[12:28] <tck> yes i know a tiny bit
[12:28] <wood1> hypa7ia, do you have expertise in Gpg ?
[12:28] <hypa7ia> alas, i don't
[12:28] <fabbione> wood1: just ask
[12:28] <tck> what's the problem ?
[12:28] <fabbione> wood1: who knowns will answer
[12:28] <wood1> Well I have created a key using: pgp --keygen
[12:29] <wood1> fabbione, what's the next step to integrate it to Evolution ?
[12:29] <Kamion> pgp != gpg
[12:29] <Kamion> pgp is the original non-free implementation; you're on your own
[12:29] <wood1> I am using gpg
[12:30] <fabbione> wood1: you need an "evolution" expert for that
[12:30] <fabbione> not a gpg expert
[12:30] <tck> :)
[12:30] <wood1> Well how can I use encrption in Evolution then ?
[12:30] <hypa7ia> wood1, it should happen automagically
[12:30] <hypa7ia> go to send a message
[12:30] <hypa7ia> look under "securiy:
[12:31] <hypa7ia> err security
[12:32] <wood1> How do I see my Key ID using gpg ?
[12:32] <hypa7ia> now that the man page can prolly tell you :-)
[12:33] <mjr> gpg --list-keys
[12:34] <tck> where are the factories for ubuntu shippit orders ?
[12:34] <tck> anyone know
[12:36] <wood1> gpg --list-keys show nothing
[12:40] <Elw0od_21> what about j2r?
[12:40] <wood1> Can somebody tell me how to setup pgp/gpg in Evolution ?
[12:41] <tck> google it sure, must be some good docs or maybe some useful how to's
[12:41] <Newbie9000> out of idle curiosity, is there a confirmation of a cd order on the free cd's? i've ordered some, but can't find a confirm button or get any automatic email response... just curious
[12:43] <Kamion> wood1: you said you used 'pgp --keygen', then you said "I am using gpg". These two statements are not consistent. If you generate a key with pgp, 'gpg --list-keys' won't show it.
[12:43] <wood1> I misquoted
[12:44] <Nermal> anyone know what version of ndiswrapper comes with ubuntu ?
[12:44] <scoon> wood1, maybe here could help you -> http://gnome.org/projects/evolution/
[12:44] <wood1> I am using: gpg --keygen
[12:44] <Nermal> I've just installed ndiswrapper on this gentoo system and I'm getting wep encryption listed as supported when I plug the card in, but not on ubuntu
[12:44] <wood1> Kamion, you got my point
[12:44] <Nermal> just wondering if it could be a version issue
[12:45] <tck> Newbie9000, theres a shipping date on ur a/c if u log back in
[12:45] <davidpc_> is there a wiki page for desperately fubared network setups in ubuntu?
[12:45] <rory__> lol
[12:45] <wood1> How do I integrate gpg into Evolution ?
[12:45] <tck> Newbie9000, http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[12:47] <hypa7ia> wood1, did you have a look to see if you can sign messages when you;re sending them?
[12:49] <Newbie9000> tck: i just get the user data form and the "how many cd's would you like" form...
[12:49] <Newbie9000> when i go to update, it says that x cd's will be shipped to this address, but no date :(
[12:50] <tck> is everything filled out correctly
[12:50] <jimro> jdub
[12:50] <tck> i know with one of my friends, they left out the city name within the country, (only st. address)
[12:51] <Newbie9000> just filled everything in (company name and st. 2 with a -) and still no date
[12:52] <wood1> hypa7ia, I got some errors while sending mails using the singatures in Evolution
[12:52] <karp> i got my cds yesterday
[12:53] <tck> what was the ship date ?
[12:53] <karp> on my package?
[12:53] <tck> aye
[12:53] <karp> ill check, maybe they are burned in europe?
[12:53] <tck> from ur a/c
[12:53] <tck> u know shippit says date it was shipped etc..
[12:54] <hypa7ia> wood1, errors such as?
[12:54] <karp> i didnt understand it was the cds at first, heh, i thought it was something else
[12:54] <wood1> .gnupg/secring.gpg: Permission deined
[12:55] <wood1> .gnupg/secring.gpg file open error
[12:55] <wood1> .gnupg/pubring.gpg: Permission denied
[12:55] <bob2> wood1: ls -ld .gnupg/pubring.gpg
[12:56] <wood1> It belongs to root
[12:56] <bob2> why?
[12:56] <wood1> Will changing the owner and group help
[12:56] <bob2> of course
[12:56] <bob2> that's what 'Permission denied' meant
[12:56] <wood1> I created the keys using root's account
[12:57] <bob2> wood1: why?
[12:57] <wood1> using my normal account did not allow me to create a key using: gpg --keygen
[12:58] <Newbie9000> stuff it - i'll try to download them later :(
[12:58] <bob2> wood1: well, it does, since that's how everyone else does it
[12:58] <bob2> wood1: if you got an error, you should have asked for help fixing that
[12:59] <wood1> bob2, after I create a Key with: gpg --keygen, how am I suppose to integrate it with Evolution ?
[12:59] <bob2> wood1: I don't know, I don't use evolution
[01:00] <chemaja> can some kind soul tell me if fluxbox does snap-to-{window,edge}? i can't see the feature on their www site
[01:00] <hypa7ia> wood1, that should be the case
[01:02] <jdub> wood1: in your account settings
[01:03] <wood1> Well what about the account settings
[01:03] <wood1> in Evolution ?
[01:03] <tck> wasabi_, http://fedoranews.org/alex/tutorial/evolution/
[01:03] <tck> shit that was for wood1
[01:03] <wood1> What should I do to get my emails encrypted ?
[01:04] <hypa7ia> wood, have a look at the link tck just posted
[01:04] <tck> just going thru it now wood1 , seems to cover all u need to use it with evolution
[01:04] <wood1> OK, I will see that link
[01:05] <wood1> ok tck
[01:05] <wood1> thanks
[01:05] <wood1> Hope it will solve the problem
[01:09] <scizzo> wow...nice people.. :)
[01:09] <scizzo> ummm...help..:)
[01:09] <scizzo> I have been looking around for answers when it comes to IPv6 -> IPv4 problems
[01:10] <scizzo> I need to use IPv4 and the internal card in the computer seems to be using IPv6 standard?
[01:11] <steven_> daniels: you there?
[01:11] <scizzo> Anyone that knows how I can change this...I have been searching around and can't find any place where I can change the IP version
[01:11] <daniels> steve: sup
[01:11] <daniels> er
[01:11] <daniels> stvn-uni: sup
[01:12] <davyd> hey hey!
[01:12] <davyd> has Ubuntu dropped it's initrd on purpose?
[01:12] <davyd> or has something gone terribly wrong for me?
[01:12] <stvn-uni> daniels: in xorg is ati or radeon the prefered driver for radeon cards? i just upgraded my laptop to hoary and now it doesn't find my laptop screen anymore
[01:12] <hypa7ia> hey that happened to me too davyd
[01:12] <fabbione> it's a bug
[01:12] <stvn-uni> i work on 640x480 on the attached crt
[01:13] <bob2> davyd: on i386 it uses initrd afaik
[01:13] <fabbione> bob2: there is a bug in -17 postinst script
[01:13] <daniels> stvn-uni: either is fine
[01:13] <fabbione> that trashes the kernel symlinks
[01:13] <davyd> bob2: well I no longer have one... ominous
[01:13] <bob2> fabbione: ah
[01:14] <hypa7ia> Ominous!
[01:14] <daniels> stvn-uni: what sort of laptop do you have?  please send /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, as well as the output of lspci
[01:14] <davyd> hmm, so don't reboot then?
[01:14] <daniels> stvn-uni<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:14] <daniels> davyd: OMINOUS
[01:14] <davyd> daniels: Exuberance!
[01:14] <stvn-uni> daniels: asus 6000Ne - worked perfect in warty
[01:14] <stvn-uni> will do
[01:14] <davyd> Erich Schubert talks about adding instructions to CPUs to count the length of unicode strings
[01:15] <davyd> not cool!
[01:15] <hypa7ia> stvn-uni:  have the same one :-)
[01:15] <daniels> stvn-uni: ta
[01:15] <daniels> davyd: insubstantial
[01:15] <ajmitch_> scizzo: ipv4 & ipv6 work at the same time
[01:15] <davyd> Ham!
[01:15] <scizzo> ajmitch_: well it won't give me any ip
[01:16] <scizzo> my dmesg seems to give me a bunch of nice errors to
[01:16] <ajmitch_> scizzo: are you trying to use dhcp?
[01:17] <davyd> daniels: so our conversation the other day, left me dreaming about RISC GPUs
[01:17] <scizzo> yes
[01:17] <daniels> davyd: heh!
[01:17] <davyd> I want a RISC GPU!
[01:17] <daniels> did you wake up screaming? :P
[01:17] <scizzo> found the problem
[01:17] <scizzo> hmmm
[01:17] <davyd> daniels: to quote Hackers, "yeah RISC is good..."
[01:17] <daniels> yeah man
[01:18] <davyd> daniels: I'm just not sure how it would work in a GPU
[01:18] <stvn-uni> damn it's difficult to write email on 640x480 :(
[01:18] <davyd> I mean, the entire point is to have 28 different instructions to multiply scalars and vectors
[01:18] <davyd> and being able to choose the right one to maximise your render pipeline
[01:18] <king_arthur> Riddell: are you there?
[01:19] <davyd> still... if I ever end up moving in that direction, it would make a damned good thesis topic
[01:19] <scizzo> ajmitch_: seems like the system tries to use the wireless before the standard interface...
[01:19] <king_arthur> Riddell: Just wanted to let you know that KDE works just fine on Hoary thanks to your link :-)
[01:19] <scizzo> ajmitch_: after looking in the dmesg log I found that the eth1 is the thingy to use
[01:21] <ajmitch_> scizzo: aha :)
[01:21] <scizzo> ajmitch_: not very logical IMHO but still..that was the problem
[01:22] <ajmitch_> eth* devices are numbered based on the order of driver loading
[01:22] <davyd> ajmitch_: you can fiddle with the names though
[01:22] <davyd> there is a way to do it
[01:23] <ajmitch_> sure, but I've never needed to do that
[01:23] <davyd> we have a pptp server, we were going to have it assign ppp interfaces names ppp-username, like ppp-madeld01
[01:23] <ajmitch_> so I haven't checked out how
[01:24] <jdub> /etc/iftab
[01:24] <davyd> only in the end we figured there might be whacky ways to exploit that...
[01:24] <ajmitch_> aha, thanks jdub :)
[01:25] <daniels> davyd: what, if your username was madeld$(echo * * * * * give-davyd-root >> /etc/crontab && killall -HUP crond) ?
[01:26] <scizzo> ooo..jdub..hi.. :)
[01:26] <davyd> daniels: it sounds silly doesn't it
[01:27] <davyd> but the idea was abandoned anyway
[01:31] <stvn-uni> hm
[01:31] <scizzo> ummm...my iftab says that eth0 is the normal card and not the wireless...hmmmm
[01:31] <karp> i cant mount my floppy with filesystem auto in fstab, what filesys should i choose instead of auto?
[01:31] <jdub> karp: try vfat
[01:33] <karp> still no success :(
[01:33] <Nermal> msdos ?
[01:34] <karp> maybe i should remove the floppy and make a new one with MAKEFLOPPIES
[01:34] <karp> dosent work with msdos either
[01:36] <daniels> stvn-uni: oh, dude
[01:36] <daniels> any money you have the stretching bug
[01:37] <daniels> stvn-uni: grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon-drv.o
[01:37] <daniels> er
[01:37] <daniels> stvn-uni: grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon_drv.o
[01:37] <stvn-uni> k
[01:38] <daniels> stvn-uni: chuck it on top of /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o
[01:39] <stvn-uni> brb
[01:43] <fsmw> is there a bugzilla or something for ubuntu?, i'm using hoary and i want to follow up some issues
[01:43] <stvn-uni> daniels: alas, didn't work
[01:48] <daniels> stvn: bugger
[01:48] <daniels> please send new xorg.0.log
[01:51] <stvn> daniels: if i have no external monitor plugged in, it works perfectly
[01:51] <daniels> aahhh
[01:51] <daniels> try Option "LVDSProbePLL"
[01:52] <stvn> k, moment
[01:52] <karp> can you help me with a floppy problem?
[01:52] <karp> i cant mount my floppy, ive tried to remove /dev/fd0 and make a new one but it still dosent work
[01:52] <karp> i also tried change filesystem in fstab without success
[01:56] <stvn> daniels: nope, worked neither
[01:56] <daniels> stvn: is the mode you put in valid for both the external monitor and the laptop?
[01:57] <daniels> try kicking HorizSync and VertRefresh out
[01:57] <stvn> daniels: no, the laptop does 1280x800 and the external can only handle 1024*768 (according to xorg) it actually /can/ handle 1280x1024 but that's stretching it
[01:58] <daniels> stvn: oh, arse
[01:58] <daniels> stvn: you'll need to set up xinerama for that, then
[01:58] <stvn> daniels: ok
[01:59] <Elw0od_21> i hate java
[01:59] <nevyn> why?
[01:59] <stvn> daniels: i'll test the current setup when i'm at home, where I have a 17" and see if that works
[01:59] <nevyn> there aer many good reasons to hate java..
[02:00] <daniels> stvn: cool
[02:00] <nevyn> but it's api is nice.
[02:00] <daniels> stvn: (you're in one of the rare cases where there's no resolution that works on both, so you need xinerama)
[02:00] <stvn> heh
[02:00] <Elw0od_21> 46% [1 j2re1.4 10255367/22.0MB 46%]                               4818B/s 40m36s
[02:01] <stvn> it looks like ubuntu doesn't recognise cpu scaling, battery life and wireless either, but that's for later concern
[02:10] <GotD0t> uhh
[02:10] <GotD0t> something is wrong... i have WAY to many entries in /dev
[02:11] <_axel> hi, a friend got her XP box completely hosed by viruses and simply brought the computer here so i 'clean it up', but i only got my linux box for forensics... is there any decent anti-virus that runs on linux i can use to clean her hard drive or i better just format the f*ck out of it?
[02:12] <Treenaks> _axel: install ubuntu and be done with it :)
[02:12] <rory__> lol
[02:12] <_axel> Treenaks: i wish, but she barely can use Word, so better not go that way ;)
[02:12] <Treenaks> cleaning a windows disk from linux is extremely hard.. you could try backupping the data
[02:12] <Treenaks> then installing windows, and a virus scanner
[02:12] <Treenaks> then copying the data back
[02:12] <_axel> Treenaks: yep, but i guess if i backup infected data then it'll just start over again
[02:13] <Treenaks> _axel: yes, that's why you install the virus scanner before restoring the backup
[02:13] <_axel> she even has some lousy .EXE ms-access databases that she absolutely needs to keep
[02:13] <Treenaks> and scan the backup before restoring
[02:13] <_axel> scan from the newly formatted xp box you mean?
[02:14] <Treenaks> yes
[02:14] <Treenaks> back it up to CD or a samba share or something like that
[02:14] <rory__> just install an av with resident shield on clean xp box before u copy back
[02:14] <_axel> and what good virus scanner can i find for free? cause im not going to spend a cent on this, and im sure as hell not going to get a trojaned, virused, bombed, warezed virus scanner from p2p
[02:15] <rory__> avg
[02:15] <darkersatanic> AVG from grisoft
[02:15] <Treenaks> oh and install an anti-spyware tool too
[02:15] <Treenaks> (i.e. firefox ;))
[02:15] <rory__> and firefox :p
[02:15] <rory__> hehe
[02:15] <_axel> yeah thats for sure
[02:16] <_axel> and possibly ooo
[02:16] <stvn> any idea if it is possible to work from a webdav share, 'mounted' with connect to server in nautilus?
[02:16] <Treenaks> maybe abiword? that looks more like word, and has less confusing features
[02:16] <Treenaks> _axel: mozilla thunderbird for mail
[02:17] <_axel> dunno about abiword... i've tried it several times over the years, and could never make it work for more than 10 minutes without crashing or running into some outrageous missing feature
[02:18] <Treenaks> 2.2 was just released
[02:18] <Treenaks> or is just about to be
[02:19] <_axel> i personally love TeXmacs, its really cool for uni papers and etc... but i admit that's an acquired taste :P
[02:21] <rory__> ubuntu 45% installed...
[02:22] <deFrysk> 2.1.96 in hoary
[02:22] <_axel> funny, firefox just got really silly rendering this AVG website
[02:22] <rory__> use ie
[02:22] <_axel> and made X go poopoo eating 88% cpu
[02:22] <deFrysk> looks pretty slick actually
[02:23] <_axel> i guess it was some stupid java or flash all over the place
[02:25] <_axel> anyways me's gotta be goin, i got a dumb xp box to format and some forensics to do... thanks for the help!
[02:26] <rory__> cheers
[02:26] <rory__> gl
[02:26] <rory__> fucking lag
[02:30] <triablo> does ubuntu kernel support framebuffer so i can set the console resolition to 1024*768?
[02:31] <Treenaks> I think so
[02:31] <triablo> ok
[02:31] <triablo> then how? (im not used to grub)
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: you can add command line parameters in grub.. try some out first (press ESC to get the menu - the rest of the screens have help in them)
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: if it works, add it to the # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: (don't uncomment it!)
[02:32] <Treenaks> then update-grub -> reboot
[02:33] <triablo> ok Treenaks
[02:33] <triablo> thx
[02:39] <wood1> Which file do we have to edit to enable our Services ?
[02:39] <Treenaks> wood1: Services? in what context?
[02:39] <triablo> are we talking gollum today?
[02:39] <triablo> :p
[02:41] <CraHan_> does anyone else have trouble browsing samba shares using nautilus since the latest update in hoary?
[02:42] <CraHan_> if I browse the network using the debian machine it's all fine, but when I use the ubuntu laptop I canbrowse into folders, but as soon as I should be seeing folder contents it hangs/keeps waiting
[02:43] <triablo> try uninstalling it and dl/make it from source
[02:45] <bob2> triablo: do you know it will work?
[02:46] <bob2> if not, then CraHan_ should file a bug
[02:46] <CraHan_> recompile wat from source?  what's responsible for the network browsing code?
[02:46] <CraHan_> recompile nautilus completely?
[02:46] <Treenaks> CraHan_: just file the bug.
[02:47] <CraHan_> okido
[02:48] <rory__> [15:43:00]  <CraHan_> if I browse the network using the debian machine it's all fine, but when I use the ubuntu laptop I canbrowse into folders, but as soon as I should be seeing folder contents it hangs/keeps waiting
[02:48] <rory__> yeah
[02:48] <rory__> have same prob
[02:48] <rory__> but with warty
[02:48] <rory__> no1 seems to have any clue why
[02:50] <pa> Witch package need i to instal to get cc and other stuff to compile programs? :)
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: what are you trying to compile? isn't there a package?
[02:50] <rory__> gcc
[02:50] <pa> nope :/
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: otherwise, install "build-essential"
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: have you looked in 'universe' ?
[02:51] <pa> Treenaks, what is that? :)
[02:51] <Treenaks> pa: universe is the repository with most debian packages
[02:51] <Treenaks> pa: look in /etc/apt/sources.list on instructions on how to enable it
[02:51] <pa> okay..thanks :)
[02:52] <Treenaks> pa: it includes 99% of the software you might want :)
[02:52] <pa> ah :)
[02:54] <pa> i think ubuntu is better than debian, and i have use it about 30 minutes :P
[02:54] <Treenaks> :)
[02:55] <pa> mabey i install ubuntu insted for my gentoo workstation :P
[02:55] <rory__> im installing ubuntu now on a virtual machine
[02:59] <Mayday> anyway to get a reiserfs fs to show up in the disk-mounter applet?
[03:09] <Timerever> i've heard a big fuss about Ubuntu Linux, anyone care to explain me a few things?
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: ask away :)
[03:09] <fwest_> hello,
[03:09] <fwest_> can i debootstrap this distro?
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <Treenaks> fwest_: yes, look on the wiki
[03:09] <Treenaks> fwest_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ -- it has a detailed description of how to do it
[03:09] <fwest_> sorry should have googled first
[03:09] <Timerever> Treenaks:  is ubuntu debian based?
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: yes.
[03:09] <Timerever> that explains the debs packages
[03:09] <rory__> yep
[03:09] <Timerever> are the debain packs compatible with ubuntu (doubt)?
[03:09] <fwest_> i wanted to try it under gentoo's debootstrap
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <fwest_> i guess i need ubuntu's verion
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can use debian's packages, but there might be dependancy problems/conflicts, especially on upgrade
[03:09] <rory__> yeh, sometimes deps get crazy
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: it's better to use the debian packages ubuntu included in the 'universe' repository
[03:09] <rory__> but most of the time you wont need to use a debian pkg
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: they're a bigfixed snapshot of debian/sid
[03:09] <Treenaks> bugfixed even
[03:09] <Timerever> does ubuntu have nice (and easy) management tools (like mandrake's Drake* or suse Yast)
[03:10] <Treenaks> Timerever: there's the gnome system tools (for settings), and synaptic (for packages)
[03:10] <Timerever> and the install tools? aren't they available later like mandrake's and suse's?
[03:10] <Treenaks> people are working on even cooler stuff: an automatic update notifier for the panel
[03:11] <Treenaks> Timerever: install tools? what do you mean by that?
[03:11] <Treenaks> Timerever: package installation is done by synaptic. configuration file editing is done by the gnome system tools (without you ever seeing the file: it's all in a GUI)
[03:12] <Timerever> those distros detect your hardware, install the packages, and configure the stuff during the install time
[03:12] <Timerever> does ubuntu do it?
[03:12] <rory__> of course
[03:12] <rory__> more or less, as with all distros
[03:12] <Timerever> but it still is a text based install
[03:12] <rory__> yeah
[03:13] <Treenaks> Timerever: yes, but "text-based" doesn't mean "bad"
[03:14] <Timerever> does ubuntu ships with useless (no insult intended to people who use these software) software like Vi, emacs, apache (?), whatever server tool
[03:14] <rory__> omg...
[03:15] <rory__> vi, emacs, apache are useless ???
[03:15] <Timerever> i'm tired of 3/4 cds distros filled with things i don't even know they exist
[03:15] <Treenaks> Timerever: vi and emacs are both installed by default, as a considerable amount of users are actually power-users :)
[03:15] <rory__> well ubuntu is 1 cd
[03:15] <Treenaks> Timerever: apache you have to install yourself :)
[03:16] <rory__> you can always install/uninstall whatever...
[03:16] <Sensebend> since when did Vi and emacs become useless?
[03:16] <Sensebend> did I miss that memo?
[03:16] <Timerever> since there are better editors like KDevelop
[03:16] <Treenaks> Timerever: uh.. there is no better editor than vim :)
[03:17] <Treenaks> Timerever: really :)
[03:17] <Timerever> but lest not go into trolling
[03:17] <rory__> lol
[03:17] <|QuaD|> vim=useless?
[03:17] <|QuaD|> LOL
[03:17] <Timerever> the thing is that my bandwidht is not that big and it takes me a lot of time to download a CD, and i have to do it at night or else... $$$$$$$$$$$ as bill ;)
[03:18] <rory__> u wanna be running an x server and wait for kdevelop to load when u could have already done what you wanted with vim ?
[03:18] <fwest_> vim default colours bug me, dark blue on a black terminal, smart default colours there
[03:18] <mjr> This is #ubuntu. Most here want to be running an X server :
[03:18] <daniels> guys, editor wars.  offtopic.
[03:18] <rory__> lol
[03:18] <rory__> ./clear
[03:19] <rory__> or click the clear button or whatever u do
[03:19] <Timerever> ok it was my bad trolling against Vi, i find it useless but people may like it so don't talk b'out it anymore (remembers me of OSNews wars)
[03:19] <fwest_> hell, you aren't hardcore if you use an editor, you should use cat and sed
[03:19] <Sensebend> graphical configuration is overrated
[03:20] <Timerever> i'm seeing at Distrowatch that KDE is not included
[03:20] <Timerever> is it right?
[03:20] <Sensebend> Timerever, it's in the repos
[03:20] <Sensebend> just not on the CD
[03:20] <Treenaks> Timerever: not on the CD, but it is available online
[03:21] <Treenaks> Timerever: in the 'universe' component
[03:21] <scizzo> Timerever: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:21] <scizzo> Timerever: you will find all the info you need there I guess
[03:21] <fwest_> im want a good platform for my tomcat/java/apache/mysql platform
[03:21] <rory__> yeah, something like redhat install with graphical or text based theres basically no diff except that u have to use the mouse in graphical (so it must detect video card right and mouse)
[03:22] <Timerever> cool, so ubuntu is a distro easy to use for newbie people on linux?
[03:22] <Sensebend> pretty much Timerever
[03:22] <fwest_> i don't care what i need to do to install, im happy getting a usb hdd, and debootstrapping :p
[03:22] <rory__> Timerever: yes
[03:22] <scizzo> Timerever: ubuntu is really good for newbies
[03:22] <rory__> its really simple to install
[03:22] <Sensebend> not only that there's lots of experienced debian converts here
[03:23] <Timerever> and the packages are normally up2date?
[03:23] <fwest_> how does it fair with java/tomcat/apache?
[03:23] <Sensebend> to help you out :)
[03:23] <rory__> but more advanced ppl may think its too simple because it doesnt let you config much in the install
[03:23] <Sensebend> yeah but any advanced user
[03:23] <Sensebend> can tweak anyway they want
[03:23] <Sensebend> with a editor
[03:23] <rory__> yeah, what Sensebend said....
[03:23] <electro> yo yo niggaz
[03:23] <rory__> with vim
[03:23] <rory__> :p
[03:23] <fwest_> i thought this was just debian with more upto date packages
[03:23] <CraHan_> bug filed
[03:23] <Sensebend> it's good defaults for the newbie
[03:23] <Sensebend> and makes a solid box
[03:24] <Sensebend> for desktop use
[03:24] <CraHan_> I tried the debian package for libsmbclient but it had no effect
[03:24] <rory__> except for nautilus sucking...
[03:24] <Sensebend> yeah, agreed
[03:24] <CraHan_> so I reverted back to the ubuntu package
[03:24] <rory__> cant get it to browse shares
[03:24] <CraHan_> rory__: indeed
[03:24] <Timerever> yeah but the packages? up2date? it makes me really angry to be able to install a program only after 3 weeks
[03:24] <fwest_> is tomcat5 packaged?
[03:24] <CraHan_> also, the right click context stuff on folders is gone in nautilus
[03:24] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can always install everything..
[03:25] <CraHan_> there used to be 'add to music library', 'add to archive' etc
[03:25] <Treenaks> Timerever: and up2date? what does that do? update the system?
[03:25] <rory__> Timerever, you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file to specify where you want to get packages from
[03:25] <CraHan_> those are now gone in nautilus
[03:25] <Sensebend> yeah, sometimes not being bleeding edge is a good thing
[03:25] <Timerever> Up to date packages (not 3 versions old)
[03:25] <Sensebend> I prefer cutting edge
[03:25] <rory__> there is no up2date app, thats just redhat i think
[03:25] <electro> anybody seen jeff?
[03:25] <Sensebend> let the others test things first
[03:25] <ProfQki> hi! can somebody send me a sources.list file? it think something goes wrong at my system
[03:25] <Sensebend> I need stability
[03:25] <ProfQki> it would be a great help
[03:25] <fwest_> i can't see an on-line package db,? am i blind?
[03:25] <CraHan_> Sensebend: I'm happy to test all of this :)
[03:25] <CraHan_> been looking for a way to contribute back
[03:26] <Sensebend> well by cutting edge I'm running hoary :)
[03:26] <Sensebend> I just don't upgrade daily
[03:26] <Sensebend> lol
[03:26] <CraHan_> yeah I do
[03:26] <CraHan_> upgrade hourly even
[03:26] <Sensebend> a bit excessive?
[03:26] <Timerever> ??
[03:26] <CraHan_> this morning there was a lot of gnome stuff :)
[03:26] <electro> is there somebody here that can help me install redhat?
[03:26] <rory__> well the more often you update the less u have to download at once :p
[03:26] <CraHan_> erhm
[03:27] <rory__> why do you need help to install redhat?
[03:27] <Sensebend> did you setup a cron job for the hourly updates?
[03:27] <Timerever> anyway i have a guy who want to test linux so should i sugest ubuntu to him?
[03:27] <CraHan_> redhat I don't know much about personally
[03:27] <Timerever> he never used linux
[03:27] <CraHan_> Sensebend: oh nono, just check if there new stuff on a regular basis when I'm working
[03:27] <electro> because i cant install it it keeps wanting to know my ip address but its automatically assigned so i dont know it
[03:27] <rory__> yes Timerever
[03:27] <ProfQki> nobody can send me the file???
[03:27] <ProfQki> please please
[03:27] <ProfQki> :)
[03:28] <rory__> sorry electro, i havent installed it in a while so cant really help
[03:28] <rory__> do you know what portion of it is asking for ip?
[03:28] <CraHan_> hmmm looks like nautilus's desktop refresh is borked too
[03:28] <electro> for the install it wants the ip
[03:28] <Timerever> and finally.... will my graphics table (a Trust 400) be nicely detected?!?
[03:28] <rory__> do you see any options that say "dhcp" ?
[03:28] <CraHan_> when I create a file in $HOME/Desktop I don't get to see it on the desktop
[03:29] <scizzo> Timerever: The best thing you should do is to try it out...
[03:29] <electro> rory__: I dont use dhcp my ip address is automatically assigned
[03:29] <Castr0> do you mean dhcp?
[03:29] <scizzo> Timerever: its what I always do when I want to see how things are...
[03:29] <rory__> what do you use to automatically assign ip?
[03:29] <electro> Castr0: I dont use dhcp my ip address is automatically assigned
[03:29] <Timerever> ok thanks all for your help
[03:29] <jedi> hey guys, since warty uses a <IP_ADDRESS> based kernel, does it have issues with ide cd burning?
[03:29] <electro> rory__: the internet
[03:29] <scizzo> jedi: you have problems using ATAPI?
[03:30] <rory__> have you tried enabling dhcp?
[03:30] <jedi> scizzo: well i'm about to recommend ubuntu to my friend, but i don't want to do that if he can't burn CDs still.. :)
[03:30] <Timerever> i'll be going now, c'ya!
[03:30] <electro> rory__: No there isnt any enable just a box with an x or not
[03:30] <rory__> well put an x in that
[03:30] <electro> rory__: im also having a problem with the sims
[03:31] <rory__> lol, cant help u with that :p
[03:31] <electro> rory__: I put the disk in at gnome but the installer never starts
[03:31] <electro> rory__: do you think its a problem with lunix?
[03:31] <electro> rory__: i mean redhat
[03:31] <rory__> does sims run on linux?
[03:31] <rory__> i wouldnt know
[03:32] <electro> rory__: I bought it at the computer store
[03:32] <Castr0> maybe the sims is preventing you from getting on the internet electro
[03:32] <Sensebend> sims should run in cedega I believe
[03:32] <electro> should i call maxis?
[03:32] <Sensebend> and I think there was a port
[03:32] <Sensebend> at one time
[03:32] <Castr0> I dont know I am not a computer expert
[03:33] <electro> im tring to get redhat installed so i can learn lunix and hack and stuff like that with wireless and cable modems
[03:33] <|QuaD|> electro: LOL!!!!!'
[03:33] <electro> so far none of my games work in gnome
[03:33] <electro> i put the cd in but nothing happens
[03:33] <daniels> electro: #redhat can help you with red hat
[03:33] <rory__> eish
[03:33] <electro> daniels: oh but they told me to come here
[03:34] <rory__> i dont blame them
[03:34] <|QuaD|> electro: i find that hard to believe
[03:34] <daniels> electro: sorry, we can't help with red hat.
[03:34] <electro> they said ubuntu means redhat help in gaylic or something
[03:34] <rory__> LOL
[03:34] <daniels> electro: no, sorry.
[03:35] <sid77> -_-'
[03:35] <electro> it means sorry?
[03:35] <scizzo> jedi: haven't tried that system with burning yet
[03:35] <Castr0> wait so this isn't a redhat help channel?
[03:35] <|QuaD|> ubuntu means "I am what I am because of who we all are"
[03:35] <scizzo> jedi: AFAIK using ATAPI *should* work
[03:35] <daniels> electro: no, ubuntu is another distribution.  sorry to disappoint you, but we really can't help you with red hat.
[03:35] <Castr0> liars
[03:35] <electro> daniels: im using redhat lunix though
[03:35] <Sensebend> I'm gonna go on a limb and call "troll"
[03:35] <jedi> ok thanks scizzo
[03:35] <Castr0> whats a troll?
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..
[03:36] <electro> like in the hobbit?
[03:36] <rory__> lol
[03:36] <electro> is bilbo baggins a troll?
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..z
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..zu
[03:36] <|QuaD|> electro: this channel does not support red hat linux, we are sorry you chose them
[03:36] <rory__> a troll is usually used to refer to a post/comment designed to cause trouble
[03:36] <daniels> electro: i assume linuxis.net know about linux, ask them.
[03:36] <electro> |qa: well if you want to run lunix you have to use redhat i know it sucks
[03:36] <triablo> Treenaks?
[03:37] <Treenaks> triablo: ?
[03:37] <Castr0> rory__, thats stupid
[03:37] <fwest_> oh no list of ubuntu mirrors
[03:37] <Castr0> what does that have to do with a troll at all
[03:37] <daniels> Castr0: please stay polite
[03:37] <rory__> nothing really
[03:37] <gauckler> I have a quick ubuntu/gnome question: is there somethink like "kprinter" in KDE, where I can choose the setting of the printer (duplex, 4 pages per sheet, etc)?
[03:37] <Castr0> sorry
[03:37] <scizzo> jedi: the system has recognized that I have a CD burner at least
[03:37] <electro> i dont understand about the troll thing either
[03:37] <maka_de> Sex the unix way : unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep
[03:37] <daniels> maka_de: please don't.
[03:37] <triablo> Treenaks: exactly what commands were you saying i had to put in to boot in another resolution?
[03:37] <bob2> maka_de: please stay on-topic
[03:37] <|QuaD|> electro: you don't have to use redhat
[03:37] <bob2> gauckler: gprinter or so
[03:37] <rory__> i think go to urbandictionary.com, they should have a good def of "troll"
[03:38] <electro> |QuaD|: right but i want to run lunix
[03:38] <Treenaks> triablo: /boot/grub/menu.lst has a line that starts with #kopt.. read the documentation there
[03:38] <Sensebend> lol, an old but good joke maka_de
[03:38] <Treenaks> triablo: I don't know about setting up resolution on boot
[03:38] <triablo> ok
[03:38] <Castr0> electro, its linux
[03:38] <Sensebend> despite the fact that I've seen that or some variant of for years
[03:38] <Castr0> not lunix
[03:38] <Sensebend> it's still funny
[03:38] <electro> whats linux?
[03:38] <Castr0> I think
[03:38] <Sensebend> linux is a kernel
[03:38] <electro> like popcorn?
[03:38] <electro> i dont think you understand what im tryung to do
[03:38] <daniels> electro: please leave
[03:39] <electro> what happened?
[03:39] <Castr0> that wasn't nice
[03:39] <Castr0> he was just asking
[03:39] <daniels> Castr0: neither is trolling #ubuntu.
[03:39] <bob2> Castr0: this is an ubuntu channel, not #random-redhat-troll
[03:40] <Keybuk> Castr0: sadly he was deliberately being annoying, rather than actually trying to contribute to the channel.
[03:40] <Sensebend> I agree Keybuk
[03:40] <Castr0> why would someone do that for?
[03:40] <daniels> Castr0: deliberate trolling is not appreciated, and detracts from #ubuntu, and he did not stop after repeated requests.
[03:40] <daniels> Castr0: someone coming from a linuxis.net domain, running linux, will probably know what linux is.
[03:40] <Sensebend> his trolling was offtopic anyways
[03:41] <|QuaD|> was he running linux?
[03:41] <Kamion> Castr0: welcome to IRC, I'm afraid.
[03:41] <daniels> Castr0: it's sad that people do that, but we have to keep the channel on-topic, so we took steps to keep it that way.
[03:41] <Kamion> Castr0: he wasn't just asking, he was trying to wind people up.
[03:42] <edwardo> hola amigos
[03:42] <gauckler> bob2: thanks, it's gpr acutally
[03:42] <wood1> Which file contains the services that we start ?
[03:42] <Keybuk> heh, not very well
[03:42] <Sensebend> lol
[03:42] <daniels> because no-one noticed
[03:42] <darkersatanic> Is it me, or is the quality of trolls going down these days? :)
[03:43] <edwardo> i have downloaded iso for ubuntu
[03:43] <Keybuk> yeah, you just don't get the same trolls since all the bridges got replaced by on-ramps
[03:43] <Sensebend> darkersatanic, I take it you don't read any USENET groups
[03:43] <Sensebend> lol
[03:44] <darkersatanic> Sensebend: Fortunately, no. I gave up on Usenet a while ago, from lack of time. Then I discovered IRC. :(
[03:44] <rory__> ouch
[03:44] <edwardo> irc?
[03:44] <rory__> there went all your time then :p
[03:44] <darkersatanic> I still have a small amount of it.
[03:44] <Sensebend> I try and find time for both
[03:44] <Sensebend> lol
[03:44] <darkersatanic> I keep it in a jam jar in my desk drawer.
[03:44] <davidpc> hello people : may I ask a question related to ubuntu printer setup?
[03:45] <Sensebend> sure david
[03:45] <Keybuk> davidpc: yup, is best just to ask your question instead of asking to ask :)
[03:45] <davidpc> Sensebend: thx
[03:46] <davidpc> does it make any sense that the printer connection window would see my printer, under 'Use a detected printer', but then would ask me for vendor and model in the driver window? and then not work?
[03:46] <Sensebend> yes actually it does
[03:46] <kent> If i install a package from Ubuntu universe and it does not show up in the gnome menu (For example, the game Neverball, or k3b) should i file a bug on that? Its a shame that realy good things does not show in the menu, not all persons know how to find them then :(
[03:47] <davidpc> (it can see the printer, even the right model, on /dev/usb/lp0, and when I give it "use another printer by specifying a port:', it doesn't work either)
[03:47] <edwardo> i am having a bit of problem with certian images viewing correctly in ubuntu web browser
[03:47] <bob2> kent: it's not considered a bug
[03:47] <Sensebend> sometime you might want to use hpoj instead of hpijs for HP printers
[03:47] <Sensebend> sometimes autodetection might not work right
[03:47] <edwardo> one of the pages is http://www.idge.net/~tim/rap.html all if the images are skewed
[03:47] <sid77> kent, there're howto for that, and no, it's not a bug
[03:47] <lemsx1> edwardo, what type of images (jpeg, png, etc..)? and what browser?
[03:47] <davidpc> Sensebend: oh. that's not the answer I was looking for ;-)
[03:47] <bob2> kent: you can add them from applications://
[03:47] <bob2> er, ///
[03:48] <edwardo> lemsx1: im not sure what type of images they are on the webpage
[03:48] <edwardo> http://www.idge.net/~tim/rap.html
[03:48] <edwardo> thats good example
[03:48] <restrex> hi guyz, I'm trying to install squid but I'm having this error when I start squid  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2uHErd69.html
[03:48] <Sensebend> You'll have to be more specific about your problem
[03:48] <davidpc> Sensebend: meaning, if it makes sense that autodetection might not work right, and you try a driver, in my case Epson stylus photo series, but it just spews pages instead of printing test page, it's no good, right?
[03:48] <lemsx1> edwardo, here people get kicked for "trolling"
[03:48] <gauckler> bye, thanx
[03:48] <edwardo> lemsx1: what is this troll you speak of?
[03:48] <lemsx1> edwardo, tell me what type of images and what browser
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: it is browser with ubuntu
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: if i could see the images i would tell you what type they are but i cannot
[03:49] <davidpc> I saw an entry for epson stylus R200 in linuxprinting.org, but it said they were using gimp-print as the driver. is there a way to tell the printer setup utility in ubuntu to use gimp-print?
[03:49] <lemsx1> edwardo, i see... i thought you actually needed help
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: I need help with the browser displaying some images
[03:49] <] gimli[> how do i prevent X11 form starting at boot?
[03:50] <edwardo> ] gimli[: chage you inittab to start in runlevel 3
[03:50] <] gimli[> where is the autorun/start-at-boot-time filer?
[03:50] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, you would need to turn off gdm from your runlevel
[03:50] <Kamion> edwardo: no, that doesn't work on Debian-style systems.
[03:50] <davidpc> Sensebend: just wondering if using CUPS as driver is the best idea...or should I go fetch gimp-print...
[03:50] <Sensebend> edwardo is trolling, opers "link he posted in channel was offensive
[03:50] <edwardo> Kamion: whats wrong with debian syle systems?
[03:50] <kent> bob2, since universe is taken from debian archive, can i send a letter to that person and ask if she/he can put in one of those .desktop files that creates entry's in the gnome menu? Even if Ubuntu do not support those packages, perhaps some one cares and can do it?
[03:51] <Kamion> edwardo: Nothing. Runlevels 2 to 5 are identical in both Debian and Ubuntu by default.
[03:51] <pityu_> another question: what is ubuntu-desktop package?
[03:51] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, to know your runlevel run: who -r
[03:51] <edwardo> Kamion: then it is broken unix standards?
[03:51] <bob2> kent: a wishlist bug on the debian package would seem reasonable, yeah
[03:51] <restrex> hi guyz, I'm trying to install squid but I'm having this error when I start squid  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2uHErd69.html
[03:51] <] gimli[> runlevel 2
[03:51] <Kamion> edwardo: not in the least. Runlevels are not standard.
[03:51] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, then go into /etc/rc#.d/ and rename S##gdm to K##gdm
[03:51] <restrex> please see the error, guyz :(
[03:51] <edwardo> Kamion: or you decide to change them?
[03:51] <CraHan_> ok htat link edwardo posted was definately Not Safe For Work
[03:51] <Sensebend> yeah
[03:52] <edwardo> CraHan_: did it display for you?
[03:52] <edwardo> CraHan_: I cant get it to display correctly
[03:52] <Sensebend> surprised he's still here
[03:52] <CraHan_> thanks
[03:52] <lemsx1> restrex, for you to install squid you need to edit /etc/squid/squid.conf and put your visible_hostname there
[03:53] <restrex> ok :)
[03:53] <] gimli[> lemsx1: wich one of them? (rc0.d, rc1.d, etc)
[03:53] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, you said your runlevel is 2, so /etc/rc2.d
[03:54] <wood1> What's the name of the file which starts and stops our Services in Ubuntu ?
[03:55] <wood1> bob2, what is the name of the file which is found in /etc/???
[03:56] <wood1> which starts and stops our services
[03:56] <davidpc> wow there's a lot of trolling going on...
[03:56] <gnaaeatshit> eat shit
[03:56] <daniels> sorry to all the legitimate users on that domain.
[03:56] <scizzo> wood1: look in /etc/init.d/
[03:56] <rory__> lol
[03:56] <lemsx1> wood1, /etc/inetd.conf ? or /etc/rc#.d/S* depending on what service
[03:56] <Kamion> daniels: I'd go for that one IP; he'll get bored of having to reconnect quickly enough
[03:57] <daniels> Kamion: yah, it was just quicker to type the former
[03:57] <wood1> scizzo, how do we stop services from booting in the first place ?
[03:58] <scizzo> wood1: that is something you need to change in the rc*.d stuff
[03:58] <lemsx1> daniels, well done
[03:58] <scizzo> wood1: rc*.d tells when to start and when to stop a service
[03:59] <Elw0od_21> i have downloaded java as in the wiki,but firefox doesn't show plug in...why?
[03:59] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[03:59] <lemsx1> Elw0od_21, is it a symlink to the propper location?
[03:59] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: you will find information about linking and stuff...
[04:00] <wood1> scizzo, what does rcx.d means ?
[04:00] <wood1> What are those files for ?
[04:00] <scizzo> x=number
[04:00] <scizzo> well I am not 100% sure how to stop a service from starting on boot time
[04:00] <Elw0od_21> i have done apt-get install j2re1.4 after the apt-get update with new sources.list
[04:01] <rory__> rm the service
[04:01] <scizzo> maybe someone else could advice?
[04:01] <Elw0od_21> scizzo, i remove them from rcx.d/ or i chmod -x
[04:01] <glar00k> update-rc.d --help
[04:01] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: what=
[04:01] <Kamion> if there isn't an S??* symlink in /etc/rc2.d/, it won't start
[04:01] <wood1> Well how do we stop a particular service from running ?
[04:01] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: look at the site...follow the steps there to get things installed and it should work just fine
[04:02] <wood1> What does the rc0.d to rc6.d mean ?
[04:02] <lemsx1> wood1, if the name starts with K it will be stopped
[04:02] <lemsx1> wood1, 0 halt 6 reboot
[04:02] <Elw0od_21> scizzo,  i have already get 14mb with my 56k...i can use the .deb?
[04:02] <bob2> abdulc: please don't do that
[04:02] <Elw0od_21> sure
[04:03] <deFrysk> bob2, I got one too
[04:03] <deFrysk> nuts
[04:03] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: ooo...well that is what I have used to get it working...
[04:03] <wood1> Which rcx.d is the most important ?
[04:03] <Elw0od_21> scizzo,  ok thanks
[04:03] <bob2> wood1: rc2.d is the one run by default
[04:03] <daniels> sorry about the invasion of the trolls, everyone.
[04:03] <CraHan> I always rename Sxxscript to sxxscript
[04:04] <deFrysk> daniels, someone seems to have fun :s
[04:04] <CraHan> that way I know it was in there, but doesn't start
[04:04] <iz> daniels, no problem you handle it perfect
[04:04] <lemsx1> CraHan, you lowercase the name? scarry
[04:04] <wood1> where  do we have to edit to make the service from running ?
[04:04] <Kamion> wood1: see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting, please
[04:04] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: sorry I can't be of more help... :(
[04:04] <CraHan> lemsx1: yes I lowercase the name
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: works nicely since the scripts expect to find a capital S to run the script
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, i guess you change all other references to that from all the other scripts
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: how do you mean?
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, ah, you mean to not run it... that's ok then
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: yeah indeed :)
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, but it's better to make it: S20script -> renamed -> K20script
[04:06] <lemsx1> CraHan, that way when you do "telinit #" the stuff will actually be stopped
[04:06] <CraHan> true
[04:06] <lemsx1> CraHan, I never reboot my systems :-) i use telinit 1 and CTRL+D whenever i want to make sure everything is stopped and restarted quickly
[04:06] <CraHan> of course each time you restart the system or change the runlevel after that one time it'll try to stop the daemons again
[04:07] <CraHan> ah ok
[04:07] <CraHan> <---- laptop here :)
[04:07] <Keybuk> lemsx1: sometimes you do need to reboot systems.  A libc security upgrade, for example, would be a good reason to reboot.
[04:07] <wood1> Can a Normal User ever crack a root's password ?
[04:07] <lemsx1> CraHan, "restarted" meaning I don't have to do: for i in `/bin/ls /etc/init.d/*`; do $i stop && $i start;done
[04:07] <bob2> wood1: they can try
[04:07] <Keybuk> even if you killed every process, init would still be using the old libc
[04:07] <CraHan> lemsx1: ic
[04:07] <bob2> wood1: well, not on ubuntu, since it doesn't have a root account
[04:07] <glar00k> wood1: not on ubunut, there's no root :)
[04:07] <Kamion> Keybuk: 'init u'
[04:08] <wood1> Well I am speaking about Gentoo Linux
[04:08] <lemsx1> Keybuk, i'm sure you would need to restart at some point... i upgrade my kernels as soon as new ones come out. so i reboot completely during those times... but whenever I upgrade gnome or gdm or whatever, i don't want to completely restart (or know what daemons to restart) i simply telinit 1
[04:08] <spot> oh wait, this isn't the redhat help channel
[04:08] <wood1> Can a normal Gentoo User get access to the root's password
[04:09] <bob2> wood1: #gentoo
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, simply: sudo bash ; and then passwd
[04:09] <bob2> wood1: but if root chose a guessable one, yes
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, or sudo passwd root
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, ah, i thought you wanted to have a password in root's account ;-)
[04:10] <davidpc> sorry for such n00b questions, but looks like I've got gimp-print 4.2.6 and I need 4.2.7, which I assume is not in unstable or main. is there 'testing' archives in ubuntu? are the lines for sources.list available somewhere?
[04:10] <wood1> Well my Account in Gentoo says that I have to be a member of the Wheel group in order to run "sudo"
[04:11] <fwest_> would anyone recomend ubuntu for a server?
[04:11] <lemsx1> wood1, and that's a good thing... that's the way to do it. on debian you can be a member of the group "sudo" and will not be prompted for a password:-)
[04:11] <deFrysk> wood1, also to run su you need wheel
[04:11] <lemsx1> fwest_, no. use debian for that
[04:11] <deFrysk> wheel is for running root apps as user
[04:12] <lemsx1> fwest_, that's my own humble opinion of course... ubuntu is for desktops
[04:12] <bob2> wood1: yes, that's a gentoo issues, please go to #gentoo
[04:12] <deFrysk> using roots passwd of course
[04:12] <bob2> wood1: you will not have that problem on ubuntu
[04:12] <bob2> or any other distribution I've ever heard of
[04:12] <fwest_> lemsx1, i would agree
[04:12] <fwest_> but i haven't used this distro
[04:12] <fwest_> only problem with debian, is the lack of java
[04:13] <bob2> fwest_: it's a problem with sun, but wiki.debian.net/Java
[04:13] <lemsx1> fwest_, well, the fact that ubuntu would try to automatically load modules for you and setup mount points etc... is not a good thing for a server... anything automatic is not godo setup for a server, especially if you are concerned about security
[04:13] <glar00k> it's easy to build java packages with java-package
[04:13] <fwest_> bob2, well, gentoo has tomcat5 java 1.4.2
[04:13] <bob2> fwest_: ok.
[04:13] <fwest_> just gentoo is the worst thing for servers ever
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, Java runs like a charm on debian. i use it all the time
[04:14] <fwest_> lemsx1, yeah but its not packaged
[04:14] <bob2> fwest_: yes it is
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, you can get tomcat and all those java-based systems to run with debian, go to http://www.open-xchange.org and follow the debian tutorial
[04:14] <fwest_> :(
[04:14] <bob2> just not in Debian itself
[04:14] <fwest_> oooo!!
[04:14] <fwest_> thanking you
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, that's true. it's not packaged, but, this is UNIX after all
[04:14] <bob2> since java is non-free and tomcat requires non-free software to work
[04:15] <wood1> Ok what if I forgot my Gentoo Linux root Password ?
[04:15] <fwest_> yeah, but i want it packaged, just for neatness
[04:15] <wood1> What happens next ?
[04:15] <Elw0od_21> crashhh
[04:15] <bob2> wood1: #gentoo
[04:15] <Elw0od_21> firefox crash :)
[04:15] <bob2> wood1: please please please stop it
[04:15] <lemsx1> wood1, you want to get kicked out uh?
[04:15] <fwest_> if i could package java, i would be a most happy bunny
[04:15] <lemsx1> fwest_, you can do that in two simple steps (or perhaps 4)
[04:16] <lemsx1> fwest_, but that'd be offtopic :-) go to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-devel
[04:16] <fwest_> if i can make debs for debian, im staying with that :D
[04:16] <davidpc> do the 'universe' lines you can uncomment in a fresh ubuntu install do the equivalent of 'testing', or is there really a 'testing' equivalent to debian?
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: there is no testing in ubuntu
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: just warty (stable) and hoary (effectively unstable)
[04:17] <lemsx1> fwest_, packaging apps in .deb's is really symple. install cdbs and read the documentation and follow the examples
[04:17] <davidpc> please tell me to RTFM and go to the wiki if I'm being too basic (already reading wiki, but can't find it)
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: if some dependencies are mismatched in hoary, please file a bug
[04:18] <davidpc> bob2: oh ok thank you; is there sources.list lines for hoary?
[04:19] <bob2> davidpc: oh, you're using warty?
[04:19] <davidpc> bob2: yup I am, just iso I downloaded from ubuntu site
[04:19] <bob2> davidpc: and something isn't installable?  you're just using the cde?
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: well its gimp-print 4.2.6, I need 4.2.7 but it doesn't show up as available
[04:20] <bob2> davidpc: but you're using just the warty cd?
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: my guess was 4.2.7 and 5 are in testing
[04:20] <bob2> davidpc: no, there is no testing
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: nope connected, from apt sources.list
[04:20] <fwest_> thanks lemsx1
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: no I understand now
[04:20] <Kamion> right, warty shipped with 4.2.6, hoary currently has 4.2.7; hoary is pretty unstable right now though
[04:21] <davidpc> bob2: so but my sources.list lines are for archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[04:21] <bob2> davidpc: ok.
[04:21] <Kamion> davidpc: might be easier to build the new version from the hoary source package than to attempt an upgrade
[04:21] <bob2> davidpc: I don't know how you could have the hoary version available, tho
[04:22] <davidpc> bob2: oh
[04:22] <davidpc> Kamion: oh :-(
[04:22] <davidpc> Kamion: is upgrading to hoary unadvisable? I did run debian testing for some time...
[04:22] <davidpc> (not that I didn't have a lot of grief there)
[04:23] <Kamion> davidpc: depends entirely on your level of confidence/competence
[04:23] <Kamion> hoary'll be released in four or five months
[04:23] <davidpc> Kamion: thought so. see, I just imagined I could use hoary lines in sources.list and just get the packages I need (like gimp-print 5.0), but I guess not, huh?
[04:24] <Kamion> davidpc: afraid not, at least not reliably; it might work for some packages, but we're not developing hoary with that goal in mind
[04:25] <davidpc> Kamion: no, of course. so I guess the best thing to do (urgh) is to get CVS sources for gimp-print and try to make/install?
[04:25] <bob2> erk, no
[04:25] <Treenaks> BShaftoe: hey, a Stephenson-reader :)
[04:26] <davidpc> bob2: oh. phew. so what's best do you think?
[04:26] <BShaftoe> Treenaks: lol yeah
[04:27] <bob2> I guess I missed what the actual problem was
[04:27] <bob2> gnome-print isn't installable in warty?
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: have got gimp-print 4.2.6 installed, but apparently need 4.2.7, or 5 (beta)
[04:28] <bob2> davidpc: why?
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: yeah gimp-print is available, just earlier version
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: silly printer is only supported by later version, because it's an 'experimental' driver
[04:28] <bob2> davidpc: why do you need a newer one?
[04:28] <iz> Out of the box, Ubuntu is the winner in this test with 6:4 points but that does not mean that Fedora is a bad distro.  :)
[04:29] <davidpc> bob2: so says gimp-print site, AFAICT
[04:29] <iz> news from osnews.com
[04:30] <CraHan> w00t
[04:30] <CraHan> openoffice.org packages are resolved in hoary :)
[04:30] <davidpc> ROFL. the wiki page on adding outside repos is 'BreakMyUbuntu'...nice.
[04:31] <Gaaruto> CraHan> yes they are
[04:31] <Gaaruto> :)
[04:31] <palle> hi
[04:31] <Gaaruto> hi
[04:32] <palle> i wan't to move some space from a partition to another from "/home" to "/" filesystem is Ext3 how can i do that?
[04:33] <palle> someone said i could boot from knoppix and run qtparted is that possible? and if it is then where can i download knoppix?
[04:35] <palle> noone that knows?
[04:35] <Kamion> davidpc: I meant the hoary source package rather than upstream source
[04:36] <davidpc> Kamion: oh right! are you saying I should backport it to warty? or is it more straightforward than that?
[04:36] <CraHan> hmmm
[04:37] <CraHan> openoffice.org packages might be resolved but they kinda borked the colorscheme stuff
[04:37] <CraHan> it used to use my gtk theme color
[04:37] <CraHan> now it's using this win95 gray
[04:37] <wood1> by the way, how do I burn CDs in Ubuntu
[04:37] <Kamion> davidpc: the former seems easiest ... not that I've tried myself
[04:38] <mjr> wood1, with nautilus
[04:38] <wood1> I had recently installed a CD-RW drive and had to change the entry in /etc/fstab  to /dev/hdc to mount the CD-RW drive
[04:39] <wood1> Does nautilus support multi-session for a CD-R disc ?
[04:39] <mjr> don't really know
[04:40] <davidpc> Kamion: I ended up finding some 4.2.7 package on apt-get.org
[04:41] <davidpc> Kamion: not that I know how to get ubuntu printer setup util to use it as a driver though :-(
[04:43] <wood1> By the way, what is the link for changing the splash screen in Ubuntu ?
[04:58] (wood1/#ubuntu) How do I change the splash screen at startup ?
[04:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: it seems no one knows, try the list
[04:59] (fabb1one/#ubuntu) sivang: no need to message wartylog
[04:59] (fabb1one/#ubuntu) it won't answer
[05:04] (palle/#ubuntu) what if i dont need my /home partition anymore and wan't to remove the whole partition and add the space from that partition to / is that possible?
[05:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) depends
[05:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) is /home right after /?
[05:04] <TenPlus1> Hi folks... need some help please...
[05:05] <palle> yeah i think it is...
[05:05] <palle> i think it is bob2
[05:05] <bob2> think? you need to check.
[05:05] <Kano_Ubuntu64> hi
[05:05] <bob2> 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/whatever'
[05:05] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where can i disable the system sounds in gnome?
[05:05] <TenPlus1> Tried to install Ubuntu and got to 98% hardware detection and stops are SCSI_3.. .any ideas ?
[05:05] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds
[05:06] <Kano_Ubuntu64> thanks
[05:06] <Kano_Ubuntu64> much better
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda2   *           1        4030     2031088+  83  Linux
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda3            4031       14040     5045040    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda5            4031       13515     4780408+  83  Linux
[05:07] <palle> =( not possible?
[05:07] <bob2> er, no need to paste it here
[05:07] <bob2> if they're not adjacent, you can't merge them, no
[05:08] <palle> and i can't fix it at any other way? what if i remove the /dev/hda3 partition??
[05:08] <TenPlus1> Tried to install Ubuntu and got to 98% hardware detection and stops are SCSI_3.. .any ideas ?
[05:08] <stvn> anyone uses mergeant on hoary?
[05:08] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where do i find mc?
[05:08] <palle> bob2 and i can't fix it at any other way? what if i remove the /dev/hda3 partition??
[05:08] <stvn> Kano_Ubuntu64: universe repository
[05:09] <bob2> palle: what are you trying to do?
[05:09] <bob2> TenPlus1: try asking on the list
[05:09] <TenPlus1> bob2: list ?? how do you mean ?
[05:10] <bob2> TenPlus1: the mailing list
[05:10] <TenPlus1> oh, thankx...
[05:10] <palle> bob2 i have no space left in my "/" partition and i have about 4.2 gig's free in the "/home" partition so i would like to move some space to the "/" partition
[05:10] <bob2> palle: you can't delete an junk from /?
[05:11] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where is the xorg repository?
[05:11] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: there isn't one
[05:11] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: it's in hoary
[05:11] <palle> bob2 the problem is that my / is only on 1.8 gig's and okay i could probably delete some shit now but i will probably need more space later on anyway so...
[05:12] <bob2> palle: if you nuke hda3 and 5, and hda2 is ext3 or xfs, then you can grow it into the produced space
[05:13] <palle> nuke?
[05:13] <bob2> destroy
[05:13] <palle> hda2 is ext3
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> bob2, isnt there a better repository with xchat 2.4 and xorg?
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> and firefox 1.0
[05:13] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: 'hoary'.
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> just replace warty with hoary?
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: the development version of ubuntu contains x.org and firefox something.newer.than.warty
[05:14] <palle> so how do i "nuke" hda3 and hda5 then??
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: do you want to help beta test hoary, and are you capable of fixing it when it breaks?
[05:14] <Kano_Ubuntu64> bob2, i use everyday usually sid
[05:14] <Kano_Ubuntu64> i just search for a base for a 64 bit amd live distro
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: ok
[05:15] <bob2> erm, ok...
[05:15] <bob2> palle: ask on the mailing list, I don't have time to walk you through something so dangerous right now, sorry
[05:16] <TenPlus1> bob2: what would cause installation to hang during hw check?
[05:16] <bob2> TenPlus1: buggy hardware or buggy kernel
[05:16] <TenPlus1> bob2: like the kernel doesn't support my hw ?
[05:16] <bob2> TenPlus1: like the driver has a bug
[05:17] <TenPlus1> bob2: oh... thx...
[05:17] <shultzm> Is there a hardware support list for Ubuntu or a known hardware issues list?
[05:18] <Kano_Ubuntu64> ok, now new xchat coming in...
[05:18] <bob2> shultzm: on the wiki
[05:18] <stvn> huh? is mergeant in universe so outdated (0.12.1-3 vs 0.52 on mergeant site) or doesit use a different numbering?
[05:19] <stvn> ah mergeant switched from .12 to .51
[05:20] <shultzm> bob2: Thanks.  This lookes nice and comprehensive.
[05:22] <king_arthur> palle: it's not difficult
[05:22] <shultzm> My laptop is not listed good or bad.  If the liveCD will not boot with any of the kernel options in the menu, is there something else I might try to get it to boot?
[05:23] <king_arthur> palle: just do some basic reading. I think pdisk is your friend
[05:23] <bob2> be careful
[05:23] <shultzm> The loader doesn't list any error messages or anything like that.   It's a Mount point
[05:29] <Kamion> king_arthur: pdisk is for IBM powerpc systems actually
[05:29] <palle> okay, /dev/hda2 then im just saying / so you understand easier what im meaning...
[05:29] <king_arthur> Kamion: I know I have already corrected
[05:29] <Kamion> king_arthur: ah, ok
[05:30] <king_arthur> Kamion: I am normally on macs and therefore made confusing myself
[05:30] <palle> can i merge two mount points instead?
[05:30] <palle> so i add space to / by doing that instead?
[05:30] <king_arthur> palle: you must create a mount poin and mount like I do with my girlfriend :-)
[05:31] <king_arthur> palle: sorry just kidding
[05:31] <palle> kk =)
[05:32] <king_arthur> palle: create a directory if you want in / for instance /girlfriend
[05:32] <hazmat> and you wonder why guinevere went for lancelot
[05:32] <king_arthur> palle: after you have created new /dev/hda3 = old hda3 + old hda5
[05:33] <palle> and mount /girlfriend with /dev/hda3 ?
[05:33] <king_arthur> palle: you Mount /dev/hda3 into /girlfriend... did you get the idea?
[05:34] <palle> yeah but what directory should i create? i need more space to install programs...
[05:34] <king_arthur> palle: after you have modified /fstab accordingly,  this is transparent to the system
[05:35] <king_arthur> palle: I told you: whatever you like.... /girlfirend /pippo /arthur whatever
[05:36] <king_arthur> palle: did you get me?
[05:36] <king_arthur> palle: I have gotta go now, do some reading, the  fdisk man/help will do
[05:37] <palle> yeah... but could i mount an already existing directory? f.e /proc with /dev/hda3 and move the files from my "/"-mount to /dev/hda3 ?
[05:37] <king_arthur> palle: it's easy but you gotta be carefull.. right?
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: well the proble is that if you mount a partition you see only that contents as far as I remember
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: if you are not carefull you end in having a system that doesn't work
[05:38] <palle> okay, do you know what kind of files is in /proc?
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: not sure
[05:39] <palle> i think it is some essential files in there
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: but why /proc?
[05:39] <palle> since they are all hidden
[05:39] <palle> because it takes 1 gb
[05:39] <palle> other maps only takes like 30-50 mb...
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: look, just make a new dir into your root directory /
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: lthere is no drawback
[05:40] <Kano> hi
[05:40] <scizzo> hmmm..I can't seem to find gstreamer0.8-mad in the repository
[05:40] <Kano> i installed nvidia drivers on amd64 version
[05:40] <palle> drawback?
[05:40] <Kano> now gdm does not work
[05:40] <Kano> startx works
[05:40] <king_arthur> palle: you are actually NOT taking any space it's just a link. Did you get me?
[05:41] <zenpod> Can anyone tell me how I can make more than one program be able to use audio at a time?
[05:41] <scizzo> zenpod: depends on your card
[05:41] <scizzo> zenpod: and driver
[05:41] <palle> king_arthur: hmmm, what isn't taking any space?
[05:41] <Tomcat_> Every time I visit an smb share for the second time (or try to write to it), I get a permission denied... the first time it works. I tried all options of saving the username/password... any ideas?
[05:41] <palle> king_arthur:  /proc ?
[05:42] <king_arthur> palle: mot sure why /proc is taking so much space but for the moment being if you want ti use your old partitions just do as I told you
[05:42] <Kamion> palle: /proc does not take any real space.
[05:42] <zenpod> scizzo, um.. really?
[05:42] <palle> kamion: okay
[05:42] <king_arthur> palle: do NOT modify anything without knowing
[05:42] <zenpod> scizzo, I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI in here.  How would I do this?
[05:42] <Kamion> palle: the 1gb you're seeing is mostly /proc/kcore, which is a filesystem mirror of your memory :P
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Forgot... when I set "any user has access to the share", it works on the first time.
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Eh... and later.
[05:43] <palle> kamion: aha...
[05:43] <king_arthur> Kamion: thanks can you carry on with him? I have gotta go
[05:43] <Kamion> palle: /proc is entirely virtual though.
[05:43] <Kamion> king_arthur: not really, in a meeting
[05:43] <scizzo> zenpod: make sure that the card can support full duplex or something
[05:44] <king_arthur> Kamion: just told him to create a new entry in his root directory and mount the new partitions there
[05:44] <zenpod> scizzo, how do I check that?
[05:44] <king_arthur> palle: just do it no worries
[05:45] <palle> king_arthur: okay thank you...
[05:45] <scizzo> zenpod: are you using the alsa drivers?
[05:45] <scizzo> zenpod: has double sounds worked before?
[05:45] <king_arthur> palle: once sure everything works, you can start moving or deleteng things
[05:45] <king_arthur> bye for now
[05:47] <zenpod> scizzo, I'm using alsa, and I belive I've had more than one app using sound at once before, but I think it was via esd, I dunno.  It worked in Windows.
[05:47] <palle> Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[05:47] <palle>  why is this comming up when im using qtparted?
[05:47] <scizzo> zenpod: well you can't actually compare this to windows
[05:48] <zenpod> scizzo, I just want it to work :)
[05:48] <zenpod> so what do I need to do?
[05:49] <scizzo> zenpod: well I am not sure that the card supports it with the drivers
[05:50] <lupus_> python 2.4 is out :)
[05:51] <zenpod> scizzo, ergh... then what can I do?  It's insane to not be able to pause and unpause a video in totem because when you hit play again, esd has taken over the soundcard
[05:51] <lupus_> http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/node13.html
[05:51] <scizzo> zenpod: turn of esd?
[05:52] <scizzo> turn off even
[05:53] <scizzo> zenpod: with a card that can't handle full duplex or the driver is not supporting it...then it is very useless to have the sound demon on