[07:55] <mister_roboto> regeya: my only point being, of course, that the Sun license on Java has done absolutely nothing to slow down its adoption by the biz community. yeah, some Debian folks don't like it but doesn't make the slightest diff to the rest of the world
[07:55] <regeya> mister_roboto: I always wondered what caused J2EE to make it so big.  great salesmanship?
[07:55] <sepmike> anyone know how to reformat your mbr?
[07:55] <anethema> i was askin about the backports MadpilotPPC
[07:55] <anethema> adding the backports to your repos
[07:55] <chavo> dmlinux, do all the buttons work?
[07:55] <mister_roboto> regeya: no, the fact that it makes multithreaded, transactional code MUCH easier than it used to be
[07:55] <anethema> just asking how safe that is for overall stability
[07:56] <anethema> and MadpilotPPC....http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/ doesnt seem to be a wiki:(
[07:56] <MadpilotPPC> anethema, yeah, I was just continuing the earlier discussion about ubuntuguide... as for the current edition of backports, I've got no idea... haven't upgraded to Breezy yet
[07:56] <dmlinux> chavo, only the left and righ tmouse button and the scroll button CLICK ( not scroll function ),
[07:56] <mahangu> where can i get a list of yahoo rooms? im trying to test GAIM, see if it can do yahoo public chat
[07:56] <mister_roboto> regeya: and there are tons of libraries packaged with it instead of having to roll your own, well, just about anything  (for business programming anyway)
[07:56] <chavo> dmlinux, try changing  -> Option                "ZaxisMapping"                "4 5" to -> Option                "ZaxisMapping"                "6 7"
[07:57] <chavo> then you'll probably need to use xmodmap to get all of the buttons working
[07:57] <dmlinux> chavo, are you looking at my config now ?
[07:57] <regeya> mister_roboto: I was actually thinking back to the last time I actually used a Java app on a Windows XP machine.  'Coz the last time I installed a Java app, I had to install Java.  I seem to recall people going apeshit about how great Java would be for *desktop users*.  And I never understood the sense of bytecode-compiled apps running on a VM as a great way to write an enterprise app, but maybe that's why I'm not a professiona
[07:57] <chavo> yes
[07:57] <dmlinux> kk
[07:57] <anethema> hmmmmmm
[07:57] <anethema> maybe i should just upgrade
[07:57] <anethema> i assume just change all instances of hoary to breezy and i should be good to go
[07:58] <dmlinux> do i need to resart X for it to take effect? i have been rebooting, because alt cnrtl backspace shuts down GDM orwhatever so i have to reboot
[07:58] <chavo> dmlinux, you use gnome?
[07:58] <dmlinux> chavo yes
[07:58] <dmlinux> chavo dont know to use anything else
[07:58] <dmlinux> chavo is that bad?
[07:58] <chavo> put this in ~/.Xmodmap -> pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5
[07:59] <regeya> I remember being really impressed with Java "back in the day" though.  I can understand why some folks really pushed for it.  I'm just always a bit amused with how popular it got with the enterprise-app crowd, because I remember several "sage" industry types going on about how you couldn't trust Java for mission-critical stuff.  how times change.
[07:59] <chavo> dmlinux, no just trying to figure where you should configure xmodmap
[07:59] <mister_roboto> regeya: actually, we're getting to the point where machines are just getting fast enough for that to work. open office and eclipse are the biggest examples right now i know. and besides, the hotspot compiler means it's no longer just bytecode running
[07:59] <regeya> true that
[07:59] <chavo> so create ~/.Xmodmap with that line in there and change xorg.conf
[07:59] <dmlinux> mod map in Xsession.d?
[08:00] <chavo> no don't mess with that, it will be overwritten on updates anyway
[08:00] <dmlinux> chavo ok its made, what do i change in xorg now
[08:01] <chavo> change the "ZaxisMapping"                "4 5" to "ZaxisMapping"                "6 7"
[08:01] <anethema> !upgrade
[08:01] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:01] <dmlinux> chavo, it was on 6 7 before
[08:01] <sepmike> anyone know?
[08:01] <sepmike> anyone know how to reformat your mbr?
[08:02] <MadpilotPPC> !+breezy
[08:02] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:02] <dmlinux> chavo, ok its changed, now what
[08:02] <chavo> dmlinux, is that what it's set to now?
[08:02] <dmlinux> chavo, have it set to 6 7 now
[08:02] <anethema> thanks MadpilotPPC
[08:02] <anethema> big help (not sarcastic)
[08:02] <chavo> run this -> xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[08:03] <scribbles> I'm getting a Download Directory Error in PySoulSeek, what should the permissions on the media folder I just made be so that hte program can write there
[08:03] <dmlinux> chavo, run that? what
[08:03] <chavo> that command
[08:03] <dmlinux> in terminal?
[08:03] <chavo> yes
[08:04] <dmlinux> chavo ok now what
[08:05] <chavo> did that do anything to the buttons or the wheel?
[08:05] <dmlinux> nope
[08:05] <chavo> hmm, is imwheel running?
[08:05] <dmlinux> how do i tell
[08:05] <chavo> ps aux | grep imwheel
[08:06] <dmlinux> came up with a bunch of code stuff, no errors
[08:07] <dmlinux> chavo imwheel is running
[08:07] <chavo> ok
[08:07] <winner> hey guys
[08:07] <p0windah> ..and gals
[08:08] <winner> i'm trying to play music off of my iPod that is mounted. i just want to play songs off of it, but i don't want to copy them onto my computer.
[08:08] <winner> and gals :)
[08:08] <winner> i was wondering if anyone could help me with that
[08:08] <bob2> winner: surely it gets mounted as a normal usb-storage device?
[08:08] <chavo> try this -> killall imwheel && imwheel -f -k -p -b "67"
[08:08] <winner> bob2: well, how do i make sure?
[08:08] <dmlinux> chavo, the thing is, when i run xev, it doesnt detect ANYTHING from my scroll wheel, and my forward and back buttons
[08:09] <shastry> hey peeps
[08:09] <shastry> hows the kde support in ubuntu ?
[08:09] <bob2> winner: look in /media/
[08:09] <winner> Rhythmbox sees my iPod
[08:09] <scribbles> Kubuntu
[08:09] <bob2> shastry: non-existent
[08:09] <bob2> shastry: kubuntu has kde
[08:09] <scribbles> I'm getting a Download Directory Error in PySoulSeek, what should the permissions on the media folder I just made be so that hte program can write there
[08:09] <cafuego_> bob2: Yes, but you cannot access the music by artist/album/track through the fileystem.
[08:09] <shastry> :/
[08:09] <winner> bob2: i see my iPod's name as a dir
[08:09] <shastry> bob2: what if i want kde AND gnome ?
[08:10] <scribbles> well you're just a greedy little shit aren't you
[08:10] <bob2> cafuego_: ouch
[08:10] <bob2> shastry: have fun
[08:10] <bob2> that seems pointless, but it's trivial
[08:10] <cafuego_> bob2: it does essentially what squid does with its cache, when you copy data to the pod.
[08:10] <chavo> dmlinux, that sucks. Well look at this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons , it's aall about mice with multiple buttons, imwheel, etc.
[08:10] <bob2> cafuego_: oh, that's crappy
[08:10] <winner> ah
[08:10] <winner> well how would i go around to play music off it?
[08:10] <chavo> It's a gentoo wiki, but the information will work in any distro
[08:10] <shastry> lol ubu not for me then :/
[08:10] <bob2> shastry: why?
[08:10] <cafuego_> bob2: Well, iTunes has no problems playing 'em. Rythombox can SEE them, but won't play 'em :-(
[08:10] <shastry> well.. as i told.. i need good support for both distros
[08:11] <dmlinux> chavo ill give that one a try too thanks bro
[08:11] <shastry> my users use both gnome and kde here
[08:11] <chavo> I wish I could help more, but I've got to get some sleep. Good luck.
[08:11] <winner> shastry: you can always try to just install both.
[08:11] <bob2> shastry: so...
[08:11] <cafuego_> winner: I don't know what you can, at all. Tried 'gtkpod' ?
[08:12] <winner> cafuego_: ah, yes, gtkpod. will it overwrite my current iPod library? i want to be still be able to sync it through iTunes (Windows)
[08:12] <bob2> shastry: why don't you just istall it and see how trivial it is to use both?
[08:12] <scribbles> has anyone gotten problems with Azureus and PySoulseek where you try to get them to download to a directory and you get directory creation and access errors
[08:12] <tga> heh, a bumpy update but I finally got breezy going
[08:12] <winner> cafuego_: of course, without losing my current songs inside.
[08:13] <senelson> Howdy all
[08:14] <deFrysk>  scribbles I use nicotine in stead of pysoulseek , its in the repo
[08:14] <deFrysk> try that
[08:14] <dmlinux> hey chavo
[08:14] <dmlinux> chavo, i was looking in /dev ,i cant find a /mouse file !
[08:15] <scribbles> oh
[08:15] <scribbles> I think it might be a permissions problem though, it happens in azureus too
[08:15] <tga> dmlinux, /dev/input/mice
[08:15] <shastry> bob2: okie thnx
[08:15] <MadpilotPPC> scribbles, where is it trying to write to, and who owns that directory?
[08:15] <deFrysk> scribbles, make sure the downloaddir ir in your /home/username area
[08:16] <tristanmike> scribbles, are you trying to write to a windows partition, like a FAT partition?
[08:16] <dmlinux> tga, but Option "Device" is /dev/mous
[08:16] <cafuego_> winner: it won't overwrite it if you don't tell it to do that. Note that clicking "Inititlise iPod" IS telling it to wipe stuff ;-)
[08:16] <winner> cafuego_: =o
[08:16] <cafuego_> winner: let me steal my wife's pod and check.
[08:16] <scribbles> no, I created ~/media/music
[08:16] <tga> dmlinux, well if you don't have one it's not gonna work, is it
[08:16] <scribbles> and I set it to download there
[08:16] <scribbles> from within my home dir
[08:16] <deFrysk> scribbles, set it up as root ?
[08:16] <tga> dmlinux, /dev/input/mice represents all mice connected to the system, in case you have more than one
[08:17] <deFrysk> and try to use it as user now ?
[08:17] <sri> how do you get a thinkpad (t42p) to suspend/sleep in breezy?
[08:17] <ormandj> what's the best newsgroup reader in linux now?
[08:17] <dmlinux> tga so is leaving option "device" /dev/mouse ok?
[08:17] <tristanmike> scribbles, that does sound like a permissions error, have you tried to run azureus as root?
[08:17] <deFrysk> ormandj, for binaries I use pan
[08:17] <tga> dmlinux, do you have a /dev/mouse?
[08:17] <ormandj> deFrysk, is it a gui app?
[08:18] <dmlinux> tga not in /dev foulder
[08:18] <ormandj> i'm not looking to dl porn, i use digital photography newsgroups
[08:18] <ormandj> so don't just need a binary sucker
[08:18] <tga> dmlinux, then why would you use it as a "device" if it doesn't exist? use /dev/input/mice
[08:18] <deFrysk> ormandj, yes ,it suports yenc and it rocks gtk2 app actually
[08:18] <scribbles> I just set the directory as 777
[08:18] <scribbles> isn't htat a bad idea
[08:18] <ormandj> defrysk: awesome, i'll give it a go! thanks :)
[08:18] <scribbles> now it works!
[08:18] <mahangu> scribbles, why not do chown username
[08:18] <scribbles> maybe 766?
[08:18] <dmlinux> ok, ill be back going to restart see if this does it
[08:18] <scribbles> oh, didn't know about that
[08:18] <calc> anything with pimp ass in the name has to be good ;)
[08:19] <mahangu> guys, what's a good news server?
[08:19] <cafuego_> oh wow, it's asking to import photos from the pod (photo)
[08:19] <deFrysk> scribbles, root has other perms then user ;)
[08:19] <scribbles> what should the perms be set at
[08:19] <winner> cafuego_: let me know when you get it :)
[08:19] <mahangu> cafuego, gtkpod?
[08:19] <mahangu> sweet
[08:19] <tristanmike> scribbles, you should just use you're home folder
[08:19] <deFrysk> scribbles, perms for user will do fine ;)
[08:20] <mahangu> scribbles, yeah, i store everything in my home
[08:20] <deFrysk> scribbles, and what tristanmike says
[08:20] <mahangu> :P
[08:20] <cafuego_> mahangu: No, breezy (nautilus)
[08:20] <tristanmike> scribbles, out of curiosity, why did you choose to use /media/music?
[08:20] <ormandj> mahangu, you have to pay to have a good one. giganews is great if you're using it to actually post/read posts
[08:20] <mahangu> cafuego, awesomeness
[08:20] <scribbles> what if I want it organized
[08:20] <deFrysk> scribbles, just try not to use root(sudo) when its not needed
[08:20] <ormandj> if you're just after binaries, the usage limits might kill ya though
[08:20] <mahangu> ormandj, ah, bummer
[08:20] <scribbles> because I have a habit of downloading lots of things off usenet
[08:20] <scribbles> and it gets very unorganized very quickly
[08:20] <cafuego_> winner: It's sorting 7000 tracks,  this might take a whole.
[08:20] <mahangu> scribbles, create folders in it
[08:21] <scribbles> well thats what I'm doing with /media/
[08:21] <tristanmike> deFrysk, what if he ran the program as root, then could it save to that folder while maintaining the permissions?
[08:21] <mahangu> cafuego, usb 2?
[08:21] <ormandj> hm, i apt-get'd pan, but i don't see it in the menus
[08:21] <ormandj> do i have to add it manually? or just logout of gnome?
[08:21] <winner> cafuego_: okay. let me know if it finishes.
[08:21] <scribbles> its under Internet ormandj
[08:21] <tristanmike> scribbles, then have a "usenet" folder just for that stuff
[08:21] <cafuego_> mahangu: No, this crusty laptop only has usb 1.1 :-(
[08:21] <ormandj> scribbles, no, it isn't :P
[08:21] <scribbles> haha are you critiquing my organization style damnit
[08:21] <ormandj> scribbles, it *should* be under internet :P
[08:21] <deFrysk> tristanmike, I guess thats what he did
[08:21] <ormandj> maybe i have to logout of gnome
[08:22] <mahangu> cafuego, ah, it'l take a while then
[08:22] <tristanmike> scribbles, lol, no not at all, just some friendly alternatives
[08:22] <cafuego_> 1300 done now
[08:22] <scribbles> I set the dir to 777
[08:22] <scribbles> and soulseeks all happy now
[08:22] <tristanmike> that's what I thought he did
[08:22] <scribbles> but wouldn't 766 be more intelligent?
[08:22] <cafuego_> winner: Anyway, it's not wiping anything.
[08:22] <winner> cafuego_: okay. phew.
[08:22] <scribbles> I would've had this error with nicotine
[08:22] <scribbles> Azureus doe sit too
[08:22] <mahangu> has anybody written a gmail drive like script for *nix?
[08:22] <tristanmike> but if he ran Azu as root, could it save to any folder while perserving permissions accross the board, or nicotine for that matter.
[08:23] <winner> cafuego_: im worried because i performed a iTunesDB rebuild thing with this python script on my shuffle and the shuffle became uselss under iTunes
[08:23] <deFrysk> tristanmike, true
[08:23] <tristanmike> would that work?
[08:23] <winner> cafuego_: like, it would show up, but attempts to drag songs onto it wouldn't work. it'll show up as empty no matter what.
[08:23] <scribbles> I imagine it would, but isn't running programs as root 24/7 a problem in itself
[08:24] <deFrysk> tristanmike, if he wouls have made a folder as a plain user first and use that later he would have had no probs
[08:24] <scribbles> ohhh
[08:24] <scribbles> I sudo mkdir'd it and thats why it was different
[08:24] <scribbles> is that what you're saying
[08:24] <deFrysk> scribbles, again dont use sudo when you dont have to
[08:24] <scribbles> well is that hte problem
[08:25] <deFrysk> scribbles, thats what I tried to tell you
[08:25] <sri> never never
[08:25] <tristanmike> deFrysk, but you can't write to the /media dir unless you're sudo..?
[08:26] <scribbles> sorry I'm really high
[08:26] <sri> oh! never mind it works..woo
[08:26] <scribbles> I'm trying, I promise :)
[08:26] <tristanmike> scribbles, content.....
[08:26] <scribbles> yea.
[08:27] <senelson> Anyone have experience getting LVM working with Hoary and Xen?
[08:27] <GTroy> anyone up to helping a newbie install a netgear driver?
[08:27] <deFrysk> tristanmike, one should aways stay within his /home area for downloads
[08:27] <deFrysk> its safer
[08:27] <scribbles> no no no it is in my home area
[08:27] <deFrysk> scribbles, ok ;)
[08:27] <scribbles> /home/user/media/music
[08:28] <tristanmike> deFrysk, agreed 100%, so when you were saying make a folder as a normal user, you mean in the home folder
[08:28] <benplaut> !netgear
[08:28] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[08:28] <benplaut> no
[08:28] <deFrysk> tristanmike, that goes without saying
[08:28] <benplaut> !bad bot
[08:28] <ubotu> bad benplaut!
[08:28] <tristanmike> cool
[08:28] <GTroy> benplaut: you willing to help?
[08:28] <tristanmike> scribbles, lol, all this time, I think we though you meant /media/music
[08:28] <scribbles> no
[08:28] <scribbles> heh
[08:28] <deFrysk> tristanmike, /home/username folder that is
[08:28] <tristanmike> deFrysk, of course ;)
[08:28] <benplaut> GTroy: i have no idea on the topic, but the bot sometimes knows :)
[08:29] <scribbles> I think the problem lies in the fact that the folder was made with sudo
[08:29] <scribbles> ?
[08:29] <senelson> !xen
[08:29] <GTroy> what's the bot's name?
[08:29] <deFrysk> scribbles, i think so too
[08:29] <tristanmike> scribbles, so you're getting an azureus error in you're home folder?
[08:29] <tristanmike> cool
[08:29] <scribbles> when Azureus opens a torrent it erros at the directory creation
[08:30] <scribbles> and I think slsk just did too
[08:30] <scribbles> until I opened the perms on the folder
[08:30] <tristanmike> so other folders do work
[08:30] <anethema> whats the diff between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade? (functionally0
[08:31] <scribbles> I haven't tried other folders
[08:31] <scribbles> but I think its just a permission error
[08:31] <scribbles> but what permissions SHOULD i bet setting on them is my question
[08:31] <scribbles> the slsk download worked when I set it to 777
[08:32] <anethema> nevermind i found it thanks
[08:33] <GTroy> what's #ubuntu's bot's name?
[08:33] <cafuego_> !test
[08:33] <ubotu> Failed.
[08:34] <GTroy> !test?
[08:34] <randomc0de> Davey, I got both monitors up with Nvidia Twinview... only problem is they're misaligned
[08:34] <ubotu> Passed.
[08:34] <Myrtti> !tell GTroy about ubotu
[08:34] <geneo93> uboto passed
[08:34] <cafuego_> winner: Hmm, gtkpod can't play them.
[08:36] <GTroy> ok I'll give this a hail mary
[08:36] <aftertaf> anethema:  what was it, the difference?
[08:37] <GTroy> !tell me who is good at netgear drivers
[08:37] <cafuego_> acx100?
[08:38] <MadpilotPPC> !+wireless
[08:38] <ubotu> wireless is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[08:38] <GTroy> thanks madpilot
[08:39] <cafuego_> If it's an MA311v2 you're in for a worl of pain.
[08:39] <randomc0de> anyone good with Twinview?
[08:41] <ReleaseX> what's the best way to install realplayer, apt-get install realplayer didn't seem to work for me
[08:41] <tristanmike> ReleaseX, use the one and the instructions off of www.real.com
[08:41] <tristanmike> if you *really* want real player
[08:41] <cafuego_> or use helixplayer
[08:43] <ReleaseX> tristanmike, ok thanks
[08:43] <runge> hi. I need a package from debian sid rep. (SPE). I would Like to ad debidan sid rep though I am new to ubuntu/debian, any links to where I  can look?
[08:43] <tristanmike> ReleaseX, cafuego_ had a nice idea you should, if anything, have a google at
[08:44] <benplaut> I have a laptop hooked up to an external moniter. Totem [breezy]  has a nice little splash screen  with a little film real (i think) that appears before you start a movie. For some odd reason, when turning on the laptop with the moniter connected, the splash shows up blank, and the movies work - but with no picture. What the...?
[08:44] <Myrtti> runge: first consider can you live without debian repos
[08:45] <Myrtti> because generally installing from them is A Bad Idea(tm)
[08:45] <runge> Myrtti, well, execept that app (python ide) I do not need sid
[08:45] <cafuego_> runge: There is but one way in which that will work. This way is the manual backport.
[08:45] <Myrtti> "been there, done that" :-/
[08:46] <cafuego_> !info spe breezy
[08:46] <ubotu> spe: (Stani's Python Editor), section universe/python, is optional. Version: 0.7.5c-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1986 kB, Installed size: 5372 kB
[08:46] <SogniX> any way to reconfiger Xorg?
[08:46] <cafuego_> runge: That what you're after?
[08:46] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody know how to put rpm's on ubuntu?
[08:46] <Myrtti> SlicerDicer-: with alien
[08:46] <tristanmike> SlicerDicer-, if you can't find a .deb, install alien
[08:46] <cafuego_> SlicerDicer-: "not". You convert them with 'alien'.
[08:46] <SlicerDicer-> ok
[08:47] <randomc0de> so anyone good with multimonitor setups/nvidia twinview support?
[08:48] <SogniX> hmmm... seems Xorg won't start cuz I'm missing drivers for "Silicon Integrated systems"...
[08:49] <randomc0de> you don't need specific drivers, what card is it?
[08:49] <x_madbot> I have upgraded breezy, but now GDM not work, and I have to start X by hand, anyone knows about this?
[08:50] <_eXoDuS> I'm using breezy, and for a while ubuntu's linux-image fails to boot properly, the initrd fails to mount the root filesystem, the way to solve it is to remake the initrd including ext3 in the list of modules. If I don't do this it dies trying to mount the root fs as xfs, any ideas why I could have this problem? It's starting to become annoying
[08:50] <SogniX> randomc0de: "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] "
[08:51] <randomc0de> Sognix, I've never really heard of that one
[08:51] <tristanmike> can someone tell me what might be causing the problem at the bottom here, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2778, thanx
[08:51] <SogniX> yeah, it's a cheapie one
[08:51] <SogniX> worked fine in X11 :/
[08:51] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: 'in X11' ?
[08:52] <firebird619> When I try to view something that uses flash, that I know has sound, I do not hear the sound. I have sound with other things. What can I do to get sound with things that use Flash? I also have this same problem of no sound when trying to listen to an audio stream using VLC.
[08:52] <SogniX> uh... whatever was driving the display before breezy
[08:52] <Belutz> tristanmike, i think they are updating the repos, try to do update again in a few minutes
[08:52] <cafuego_> winner: Aha! rhythmbox play music off my iPod now.
[08:52] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: hoary has x.org too
[08:52] <Belutz> tristanmike, it also happened to me
[08:52] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: before that it was xfree86
[08:52] <SogniX> hmm
[08:53] <SogniX> so why does it fail now? :(
[08:53] <tristanmike> Belutz, actually it happend earlier tonight from a friends computer I installed Ubuntu on tonight, but it didn't happen on mine when I updated, and we have the same sources.list
[08:53] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: maybe you are missing something?
[08:53] <geneo93> _eXoDuS:  it was in warty not hoary
[08:53] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: what driver are you trying to use?
[08:53] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: xfree86 in wary, xorg in hoary
[08:54] <geneo93> yes i know
[08:54] <Belutz> tristanmike, i see, well, in my case, i just wait another minutes before updating again
[08:54] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: that's exactly what i said
[08:54] <geneo93> warty
[08:54] <vladuz976> how much longer til breezy?
[08:54] <SogniX> _eXoDuS:  I'm not... it just refuses to go into gnome
[08:54] <randomc0de> I have a multimonitor setup using twinview but the monitors aren't aligned properly, and I can't seem to change their positions
[08:54] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: you are not what?
[08:54] <aftertaf> vladuz976:  13th oct
[08:55] <vladuz976> aftertaf, yesssssss
[08:55] <tristanmike> Belutz, hmmm, ok, my friend is gone, and thus the computer so I'll try again next time, thanx
[08:55] <SogniX> _eXoDuS: using drivers... uh... or I don't know what it's using I should say...
[08:55] <locomorto> v,aduz976: you can get it now if you want
[08:55] <locomorto> vladuz976: you can get it now if you want **
[08:55] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: well, you have to configure X to use the appropiate driver, the installation didnt do this for you/
[08:55] <_eXoDuS> ?
[08:55] <vladuz976> locomorto, i guess i could, but people say the upgrade is not very smooth
[08:56] <SogniX> I guess not
[08:56] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: this is a fresh install?
[08:56] <SogniX> no
[08:56] <SogniX> which I might try if I can't get it to work
[08:56] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: so it was working before?
[08:56] <SogniX> yes
[08:57] <aftertaf> SogniX:  tried using vesa drivers?
[08:57] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:57] <_eXoDuS> from the command line
[08:57] <_eXoDuS> when it asks for the driver try the vesa
[08:57] <_eXoDuS> then try restarting gdm
[08:57] <_eXoDuS>  /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:59] <locomorto> vladux976: its basically there right now
[08:59] <locomorto> vladux976: I think they have sorted out most of the upgrading woes anyway
[09:00] <[Jonne] > small question: how do I restore the windows XP boot option in grub? It seems to have disappeared after doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:01] <[Jonne] > (or for some other reason
[09:01] <vladuz976> locomorto, yeah ppl said they crashed their system upgrading with apt
[09:01] <Knelix> My cursor just turned into a small black and white cursor, and the system will not respond? Does anybody know what may have happened?
[09:01] <locomorto> vladux976: Then use the preview cd and upgrade from there
[09:01] <aftertaf> [Jonne] :  open /boot/grub/menu.list   in an editor, and read the top bit where it mentions windows....
[09:02] <SogniX> ugh... okay - now the box is having a hardware issue... grrr... need to upgrade the hardware :(
[09:03] <SogniX> anyone know what 4 red LED lights on an MSI board means? :p
[09:03] <aftertaf> SogniX:  not good.......
[09:03] <SogniX> figured as much. heh
[09:04] <aftertaf> :p  yeah, bad :/
[09:04] <geneo93> ahh i could look in my manual
[09:04] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: it means you should get an ASUS motherboard :)
[09:05] <geneo93> i think it could be bad memory module
[09:05] <SogniX> :p
[09:05] <aftertaf> lol
[09:05] <_eXoDuS> ugh, anyone knows of any debs for breezy for azureus?
[09:05] <geneo93> skake the memory a little
[09:05] <mahangu> SogniX, check if all your RAM is slotted in properly
[09:05] <_eXoDuS> the binary doesn't work very well :/
[09:05] <ubuntu_newbie> hello everyone..
[09:05] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, why not just use gnome bittorrent?
[09:05] <SogniX> actually - I hear some weird noise coming from it now
[09:05] <ubuntu_newbie> who here knows how to use cedega transgamming?
[09:06] <ubuntu_newbie> I installed already the program but I dont know how to use it
[09:06] <geneo93> BS my msi is 4 years old and still kickin butt
[09:06] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: azureus has some useful options, and in my experience it downloads faster / finds peers faster
[09:06] <ubuntu_newbie> any idea??
[09:06] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: i'm actually using gnome-bt right now
[09:06] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, really? ill apt-get it now :)
[09:06] <mahangu> isnt it java thouhg?
[09:06] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: if you find any repos with it let me know :/
[09:07] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: yeah it's java, that's the downside :)
[09:07] <ubuntu_newbie> anyone here??
[09:07] <mahangu> bah forget it
[09:07] <mahangu> java sucks
[09:07] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: it's slow as hell and uses too much cpu, specially if it runs wrong
[09:07] <aftertaf> !info azureus breezy
[09:07] <nrbq> hello all
[09:07] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: I don't like java, but it doesn't suck, it has it's uses
[09:07] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, i figured
[09:07] <mouhahaha> hi, can i paste an error msg here so someone can help me out on ubuntu ?
[09:07] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: thing is java in breezy is very buggy :/
[09:07] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, yeah i just cant take the slowness
[09:07] <aftertaf> mouhahaha:  nope, use pastebin
[09:07] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: me either, but once i put it to download, i iconify it and the cpu usage goes down :)
[09:08] <aftertaf> !tell mouhahaha about pastebin
[09:08] <geneo93> aftertaf:  my azureus works fine
[09:08] <_eXoDuS> mouhahaha: read the damned topic
[09:08] <ubuntu_newbie> is this place /dev/null ?
[09:08] <ubuntu_newbie> =P
[09:08] <mahangu> ubotu, tell mouhahaha about pastebin
[09:09] <_maydayjay_> has anyone successfully got a Broadcom 4318 working on an ACER laptop with the wifi button? Or by forcing the radio on somehow?
[09:09] <nrbq> ah, this is what I love about IRC - people are always so calm and helpful to those who don't (apparently) know as much as them
[09:09] <Venson> nrbq: first day on IRC?
[09:09] <mahangu> nrbq, heh
[09:09] <nrbq> first day back in about 3 years
[09:09] <_eXoDuS> nrbq: stfu j00 n00b :p
[09:09] <aftertaf> geneo93:  good for you :)... i never use it.
[09:09] <mahangu> N00b
[09:09] <mahangu> lol
[09:10] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: how did you install it?
[09:10] <mahangu> blimey my wifi is on steroids
[09:10] <nrbq> as with all things - it has its uses
[09:10] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: i'm trying the bin in breezy and it's using 60% cpu constant :/
[09:10] <mahangu> geeks mature on irc
[09:10] <sasch1> hi, how can I install the helpsystem of openoffice? Somehow its not available.
[09:10] <geneo93> aftertaf:  it best i ever used so far
[09:10] <mahangu> it's like the incubator of geekdom
[09:10] <nrbq> mahangu, depends on what you mean by mature. ;)
[09:10] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, should i get breezy?
[09:10] <aftertaf> mahangu:  lol
[09:10] <mahangu> aftertaf, no seriously :P
[09:10] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: wait for the final release if you are not so shabby
[09:11] <nrbq> since I'm a ubuntu noob, what is breezy?
[09:11] <geneo93> _eXoDuS:  there is no install just click on icon
[09:11] <mahangu> wtf, you get a noob on irc, in six months he'll be answering questions in the channel
[09:11] <aftertaf> since i'm a geek, is there hope?
[09:11] <mahangu> find a CS course that can do that and let me know ;)
[09:11] <MadpilotPPC> mahangu, less than six months, in my experience...
[09:11] <mahangu> aftertaf, there definitely is hope
[09:11] <nrbq> hehe, mahangu, you're probably right
[09:11] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: i rather ./azureus, but i mean, you are using the binary from azureus.sf.net or some debs?
[09:11] <aftertaf> mahangu:  i do that already :)
[09:11] <mahangu> MadpilotPPC, there you go, less than six months
[09:11] <MadpilotPPC> nrbq, Breezy is the next version of Ubuntu, 5.10, due out on Oct 13th - about a week from now!
[09:11] <mahangu> MadpilotPPC, you're running Ubuntu on a mac? neato
[09:12] <nrbq> wow!
[09:12] <mahangu> ubotu tell nrbq about breezy
[09:12] <Venson> i wonder if breezy cd's have shipped already
[09:12] <sasch1> anybody....? help system in Openoffice2?
[09:12] <geneo93> well actualy its a shell script but i made icon for it
[09:12] <nrbq> I just got a copy of hedgehog yesterday and installed it and was so impressed I said I'd never go back to SuSE
[09:12] <benplaut> I have a laptop hooked up to an external moniter. Totem [breezy]  has a nice little splash screen  with a little film real (i think) that appears before you start a movie. For some odd reason, when turning on the laptop with the moniter connected, the splash shows up blank, and the movies work - but with no picture. What the...?
[09:12] <ubuntu_newbie> who here knowz how to use cedega transgamming on ubuntu??
[09:12] <aftertaf> nrbq:  way to go :)
[09:12] <ubuntu_newbie> also known as wineX ?
[09:12] <MadpilotPPC> mahangu, it's actually not my own machine, but a friends, and it runs Ubuntu just fine
[09:12] <rob^> !cedega
[09:12] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[09:12] <mahangu> Venson, nah, they said week after release
[09:12] <mahangu> so im guessing shipping will start oct 20th
[09:13] <Venson> mahangu: i see....can you point me to where you read that?
[09:13] <mahangu> MadpilotPPC, awesome, i just installed on my new thinkpad t42, and it found wifi, and everything else
[09:13] <mahangu> including my webcam
[09:13] <ubuntu_newbie> rob thanks
[09:13] <mahangu> Venson, http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <_eXoDuS> geneo93: still my question is did you install using debs or you just downloaded the binary from azureus.sf.net ?
[09:13] <nrbq> yeah, I was just knocked out with how easy it installs and finds everything
[09:13] <nrbq> I also can't get over apt-get!
[09:13] <nrbq> Hahaha!!!!
[09:13] <mahangu> nrbq, so was I. it's amazing
[09:13] <mahangu> haha apt-get is pretty sweet too
[09:14] <nrbq> You want a package? Just get it!
[09:14] <aftertaf> nrbq:  welcome to the world of debian:)
[09:14] <mahangu> lol
[09:14] <mahangu> debian <3 me
[09:14] <mahangu> i <3 debian
[09:14] <nrbq> Yeah - I was put off of Debian by a guy I used to work with who really went on and on about how hard it was to use.
[09:14] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: i doubt debian loves you, but the other way round sounds fair
[09:14] <Venson> mahangu: that page mentions nothing about shipping date
[09:14] <nrbq> Not for anyone less than an obertechie
[09:14] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, debian does love me, trustme on that
[09:14] <aftertaf> nrbq:  not true! but it aint easy for a n00b
[09:14] <_eXoDuS> nrbq: debian is hard to install, but that's the difference between ubuntu and debian
[09:15] <mahangu> Venson, sorry one sec
[09:15] <aftertaf> and debian is soooo easy to break.
[09:15] <nrbq> _eXoDuS, I'll take your word for it - I don't plan to move off ubuntu any time soon! IT's just too awesome!
[09:15] <nrbq> :))
[09:15] <_eXoDuS> Venson: i read it when i ordered my cds, it said they would be shipped one week after release
[09:15] <aftertaf> jst get impatient for updates, switch to sid  and you boot no more :)
[09:15] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, is vanilla hard to install?>
[09:15] <sasch1> Is there somewhere on a forgotten repository a openoffice.org2-help package? Its really annoying to have the huge office suite without helpsystem.
[09:15] <SogniX> welp, it's fried
[09:15] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: vanilla? no, just buy some at a market :)
[09:15] <nrbq> aftertaf, really? Wow, then that settles it. I'm sticking with ubuntu!
[09:16] <brownie17> can someone tell me how i set up VLC to be the default aplication for all video files?
[09:16] <Venson> _eXoDuS: i see....weird....i ordered it two weeks ago, but i don't remember it mentioning anything remotely about shipping date
[09:16] <mahangu> Venson, you need SPECS - "Please note that orders placed now will not ship until approximately one week after the release of Version 5.10."
[09:16] <mahangu> it's in BOLD
[09:16] <mahangu> :)
[09:16] <_eXoDuS> Venson: maybe it changed? I ordered them 2 days ago
[09:16] <geneo93> aftertaf:  maybe thats because is broken to start with
[09:16] <MadpilotPPC> sasch1, I think there might be a seperate -docs package; search Synaptic...
[09:16] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, i want my vanilla from debian damnit
[09:16] <aftertaf> nrbq:  yeah... but it was my fault for going to unstable version without actually knowing how to recover the system in case of pbs.
[09:16] <Venson> heh....i'm wearing specs alright. and i need to sleep too ;)
[09:16] <_maydayjay_> Can someone tell me if they have successfully compiled acer_acpi on kernel 2.6.12?
[09:16] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: dunno, for me it's darn easy to install, but most people complain it's hard, I just shoot em dead when they come complaining :p
[09:17] <Venson> ah...orders placed _now_....nevermind.
[09:17] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, always a good policy
[09:17] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: definetly, definetly
[09:17] <mouhahaha> can someone help me install ethereal on ubuntu ?
[09:17] <joee> Hey guys I am searching for something like ubuntu gnome desktop light or something like that, does that exist?
[09:17] <mahangu> Venson, you ordered hoary? well it took like 4 weeks to sri lanka
[09:17] <nrbq> mouhahaha, what prbs have you had?
[09:17] <mahangu> should be less where you are
[09:17] <_eXoDuS> joee: light?
[09:17] <mahangu> mouhahaha, apt-get install etherape
[09:17] <_eXoDuS> joee: oh, you mean low resources?
[09:17] <aftertaf> i can install debian no pbs, just not all the extra periphs out of the box... i even managed to updrage my kernel from 2.4.24 to 2.6.8
[09:17] <Venson> mahangu: nah...breezy. ordered it two weeks ago
[09:17] <mahangu> etherape is pretty sweet in my experience
[09:17] <lightstar> joee : try xfce
[09:17] <mahangu> Venson, then i guess it'l ship after release
[09:18] <mahangu> does ubuntu ship betas? i dont know
[09:18] <Venson> we'll see heh
[09:18] <nrbq> mahangu, how does that differ from ethereal?
[09:18] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: no, only final releases
[09:18] <mahangu> nrbq, i searched thereal and found ape, i think it's a port/fork
[09:18] <sasch1> MadpilotPPC: its not. There is something about non free binary-jars and debian doesnt want to use it. But is there another possibility to get it work with the deb-packages?
[09:18] <aftertaf> you can get the daily iso by torrent though
[09:18] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, that's what i thought
[09:18] <brownie17> can someone tell me how i set up VLC to be the default aplication for all video files?
[09:18] <nrbq> mahangu, thanks
[09:18] <mahangu> nrbq, np
[09:18] <Venson> brownie17: what desktop?
[09:18] <_eXoDuS> damn
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> it doesn't download
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> grr
[09:19] <brownie17> Venson, gnome
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> last time i used azureus without problems it was in debian sid
[09:19] <mahangu> _eXoDuS, threaten it
[09:19] <tere_> this is probably a stupid newbie gnome question, but anyhow: I installed hoary, and like it, but now something happened: there used to be these nice tabs to open windows at the bottom of the screen, but they disppaered and i can't get them back ...
[09:19] <MadpilotPPC> sasch1, wha??? I thought you were asking about the OpenOffice help/doc files? /me confused...
[09:19] <Venson> brownie17: right-click on a file, go to Properties....from there you should be able to associate it with whatever app you want
[09:19] <mahangu> tell it you will uninstall JVM
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: you threaten java, it crashes :)
[09:19] <aftertaf> _eXoDuS:  get a tarball? report a b00g?
[09:19] <nrbq> oh, here's a question:
[09:19] <dooglus> tere_: right-click the panel, 'add to panel', 'window list'
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> aftertaf: im using the tarball
[09:19] <nrbq> I tried to install limewire yesterday
[09:19] <_eXoDuS> aftertaf: no .deb magic here
[09:19] <nrbq> with the instructions from ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <sasch1> MadpilotPPC: this is what I asked, there is no doc file in synaptic because of some nonfree blahblah
[09:20] <_eXoDuS> aftertaf: be damned, long live gnome-bt :(
[09:20] <tere_> right! thx
[09:20] <aftertaf> _eXoDuS:  grfffffffff!!
[09:20] <aftertaf> :)
[09:20] <_eXoDuS> :)
[09:20] <nrbq> it won't launch for two reasons: 1) the shortcut in the Apps list doesn't work and 2) I can't get apt-get to give me a java download
[09:20] <dooglus> silly question:  which gnome apps use the 'control t' keybinding?
[09:20] <geneo93> java does need to be install correctly
[09:20] <nrbq> Has anyone else had this problem?
[09:20] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: all
[09:20] <mahangu> ok im off to study
[09:20] <MadpilotPPC> sasch1, OOo is Free, though.... just a sec, I'll have a look at my own system
[09:20] <dooglus> _eXoDuS: really?  what does gedit use it for?
[09:20] <mahangu> anybody know anything about the philosophy of science?
[09:20] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: it's a gtk binding... wait, i'm not sure now
[09:20] <mahangu> :)
[09:20] <nrbq> mahangu, good luck!
[09:20] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: probably opening a new tab
[09:20] <nrbq> What are you studying?
[09:20] <joee> hey guys I am searching for something like a ligth gnome desktop for ubuntu, is there a predefined packages for that?
[09:20] <mahangu> nrbq, thanks
[09:20] <_maydayjay_> Anyone running an Acer laptop with Broadcom wifi through ndiswrapper?
[09:20] <mahangu> nrbq, first semester finals
[09:21] <dooglus> _eXoDuS: apparently not.
[09:21] <_eXoDuS> joee: install xfce
[09:21] <nrbq> eek!
[09:21] <dooglus> _eXoDuS: I think it only makes new tabs when you open a file
[09:21] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: mmm, then i could be wrong, it normally means new tab though
[09:21] <tere_> mahangu: used to teach it...
[09:21] <nrbq> mahangu, hope that goes well.
[09:21] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: for example in firefox
[09:21] <dooglus> _eXoDuS: I know.  it does in firefox and galeon.  I'm wondering what other gnome apps I can try it in.
[09:21] <joee> _eXoDuS is that available as a package?
[09:21] <dooglus> I'm reporting a bug y'see, and want to say where it happens and where it doesn't
[09:21] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: mmm, no clue, now that i think of it it might be a firefox/galeon feature, not gtk
[09:21] <_eXoDuS> joee: yes
[09:22] <mahangu> tere_, really? cool :) it's just an elective credit im doing.. segregation of sciences
[09:22] <mahangu> sceintific method et c
[09:22] <mahangu> nrbq, thanks
[09:22] <nrbq> Has anyone else had problems getting a download of jre1.5 from apt-get?
[09:22] <mahangu> *scientific even
[09:22] <joee> _eXoDuS: so just installing server version and then apt-get install xfce?
[09:22] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: ok, i got another one right here
[09:22] <_eXoDuS> dooglus: xchat :)
[09:22] <_eXoDuS> joee: not sure the exact package name, apt-cache search is your friend
[09:23] <joee> _eXoDuS: i  hope so :)
[09:23] <dooglus> _eXoDuS: hmmm, ok.  i'll try that.  thanks.
[09:23] <aftertaf> xchat for windows is payware
[09:23] <SogniX> I'm going to call it a night... thanks guys for the help - I just had a box that decided to kill itself off than upgrade... shesh! I'll be downloading the ISO and try again on the Windows box tomorow. :)
[09:24] <mahangu> alert, alert - someone said the word windows
[09:24] <mahangu> :o
[09:24] <SogniX> lol
[09:24] <mahangu> hehe, i should have a trigger like that
[09:24] <_eXoDuS> aftertaf: i thought i was in #ubuntu ?
[09:24] <aftertaf> twice in a row actually......
[09:24] <MadpilotPPC> aftertaf, seriously? people *pay* for this piece of... stuff?
[09:24] <aftertaf> _eXoDuS:  you are..
[09:24] <_eXoDuS> SogniX: np, good luck
[09:24] <aftertaf> MadpilotPPC:  yep!
[09:24] <mouhahaha> atp-get isn't working,  am i supposed to configure it or something ?
[09:24] <SogniX> mahangu:  but I'm installing Ubuntu on it :p
[09:24] <geneo93> hey i look out windows all day long
[09:24] <MadpilotPPC> mouhahaha, what are you trying to apt-get?
[09:24] <runge> cafuego, sorry I was away. I am looking for SPE and its in debian sid. you said that one can do a manual backport. can you explain?
[09:24] <mahangu> SogniX, alert level reduced to 30
[09:25] <nrbq> mouhahaha, I'm very new to ubuntu, but if apt-get isn't working, something is majorly wrong, n'est-ce pas?
[09:25] <geneo93> mouhahaha:  sudo
[09:25] <_eXoDuS> mouhahaha: not working? explain please
[09:25] <mahangu> nrbq, apt-get update
[09:25] <mahangu> if you updated your sources.list
[09:25] <SogniX> and I didn't pay for XP - client hated it and went back to 2000 - gave me XP... I just poke at it with a stick mostly :D
[09:25] <mahangu> SogniX, xp cds make great coasters
[09:25] <mahangu> or frisbees
[09:26] <mahangu> doggy biscuits
[09:26] <nrbq> mahangu, thanks, I tried that, but it still complains
[09:26] <jhiver> lads, is there a repository I can use to install mplayer and a bazillon video codecs?
[09:26] <nrbq> Let me get the error message
[09:26] <mahangu> you name it
[09:26] <mouhahaha> root@AFH:/home/mouhahaha/Desktop/GTK# sudo apt-get install ethereal
[09:26] <mouhahaha> Reading package lists... Done
[09:26] <mouhahaha> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:26] <mouhahaha> E: Couldn't find package ethereal
[09:26] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: i find it handy for putting my cup of hot coffee on it
[09:26] <Benjamin_L> can someone tell me where I can find this .xsession ? I don't seem to have one on my system ? http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/gnome/1128486649
[09:26] <mahangu> mouhahaha, i sent you the pastebin URI
[09:26] <_eXoDuS> mouhahaha: that means the package doesnt exist
[09:26] <mahangu> don't paste in here
[09:26] <MadpilotPPC> !tell jhiver about restricted
[09:26] <_eXoDuS> mouhahaha: apt-get works though
[09:26] <Venson> Benjamin_L: if it's not there, create it.
[09:26] <benplaut> I have a laptop hooked up to an external moniter. Totem [breezy]  has a nice little splash screen  with a little film real (i think) that appears before you start a movie. For some odd reason, when turning on the laptop with the moniter connected, the splash shows up blank, and the movies work - but with no picture. What the...?
[09:26] <mahangu> mouhahaha, do apt-get search etherape
[09:26] <_eXoDuS> Benjamin_L: most if the time it's not there, just create one in your home dir
[09:27] <Benjamin_L> ok, thank you, I'll try
[09:27] <mouhahaha> E: Invalid operation search
[09:27] <mouhahaha>  (this is what i get)
[09:27] <MadpilotPPC> mouhahaha, ethereal is in Universe - do you have the Universe/Multiverse repositories enabled?
[09:27] <jhiver> MadpilotPPC, thanks I'm sure this will help
[09:27] <_eXoDuS> mouhahaha: apt-cache search
[09:28] <Belutz> hmm there's an update for at driver
[09:29] <MadpilotPPC> !tell mouhahaha about repositories
[09:29] <Belutz> *ati
[09:30] <fek> moin
[09:30] <nrbq> I'm not having much luck with this jre problem
[09:31] <nrbq> must be syntax - can anyone advise?
[09:31] <nrbq> need to install (I think) jre1.5 to run limewire
[09:31] <Venson> how are you installing, nrbq ? apt?
[09:31] <vladuz976> who wrote imlib2 ?
[09:31] <nrbq> yeah, Venson, that's it
[09:32] <Venson> vladuz976: trivia time already? :>
[09:32] <nrbq> Ah, maybe that's where I'm going wrong
[09:32] <Venson> nrbq: so what's the problem? why can't you install it?
[09:32] <nrbq> Just finding apt-get so groovey!
[09:32] <nrbq> Hehe
[09:32] <vladuz976> Venson, yeah
[09:32] <nrbq> It says it can't find it
[09:32] <nrbq> Let me go back to ubuntuguide and run through it again
[09:32] <nrbq> I haven't tried again this morning
[09:33] <tristanmike> !tell nrbq about ubuntuguide
[09:34] <nrbq> tristanmike, thanks, but I know about it
[09:34] <nrbq> :)
[09:34] <nrbq> Just checked it
[09:34] <MadpilotPPC> !+java
[09:34] <ubotu> well, java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[09:34] <nrbq> Venson, the error is "E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5"
[09:34] <tristanmike> nrbq, keep the ubuntuguide talk on the down low ;)
[09:34] <tristanmike> lol
[09:35] <nrbq> hehe, ok, I'm with ya!
[09:35] <nrbq> :)
[09:35] <selinium> nrbq: Be careful with Ubuntuguide. :)
[09:35] <tristanmike> on the tuck as I call it
[09:35] <MadpilotPPC> nrbq, there is no such package in any of the Ubuntu repos anymore... see the wiki for how to get Java
[09:35] <nrbq> selinium, why's that?
[09:35] <nrbq> MadpilotPPC, thanks - going there now
[09:35] <mahangu> nrbq, you need to manually install java
[09:35] <mahangu> im doing it right now
[09:36] <mahangu> nrbq, http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[09:36] <selinium> nrbq: They took Java out of the repo.  If you don't know what you are doing you can break your machine.
[09:36] <Venson> is there an install guide for Ubuntu? don't see one on their download page
[09:36] <sexcopter8000m> sorry to sound really dumb, but what does "Breezy Colony 5" mean?
[09:36] <tga> howdy.. I'm having some trouble with my Synaptics touchpad after upgrading to Breezy.. I can't double-click-to-drag anymore
[09:37] <sexcopter8000m> oh, i see there's a link
[09:37] <sexcopter8000m> ignore me :)
[09:37] <tga> make that double-tap-to-drag
[09:37] <MadpilotPPC> Venson, wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation - there are a couple of install guides and a lot of post-install guides!
[09:38] <Venson> MadpilotPPC: gotcha...found it. thanks
[09:39] <nrbq> fellas, thanks for all your help. Think I'll go score some toast and coffee
[09:39] <nrbq> Catch up with y'all later
[09:39] <Venson> MadpilotPPC: do you know if there's tools available (as part of the installer) to do non-destructive resize of ntfs drives?
[09:39] <nrbq> peace
[09:39] <tristanmike> peace
[09:40] <ColonelKernel> Venson, qtparted, gparted both work
[09:40] <MadpilotPPC> Venson, I think it'll do that as part of the install, but I'm not sure
[09:40] <Venson> ColonelKernel: are they both non-destructive?
[09:40] <Determinist> sleeping on a chair at work can be so nice sometimes, ya know?
[09:40] <ColonelKernel> Venson, yes, defrag first and MadpilotPPC is correct, the install will do it
[09:40] <Venson> this is crucial as i'll be talking some people into trying out Ubuntu....and i want to give them proper info.
[09:40] <crispynix> ColonelKernel: shouldn't you be KernelColonel? That'd make more sense ;D
[09:40] <Determinist> Venson: lo venson mate, how goes? :)
[09:41] <crispynix> oh wait. only Linus could be that
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> crispynix, the Rank always goes first
[09:41] <Venson> lo Determinist :) .....getting by. and you?
[09:41] <Determinist> Venson: good good :D
[09:41] <crispynix> ColonelKernel: yeah, but KernelColonel actually makes sense, whereas ColonelKernel doesn't.
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> you know, Christopher reeve was fantastic as superman
[09:41] <Venson> Determinist: switched to Ubuntu, have you?
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> crispynix, only if theres some kinda unix army out there - and if that were the case i'd be washin toilets not commanding tropps
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> troops
[09:42] <Determinist> Venson: yes, and loving myself and my computer ever since. it just feels like using an OS that's ready and not an ongoing experiment :)
[09:42] <crispynix> ColonelKernel: rofl
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> :))
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> I would think linux would be the head general
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> and I'd be more like PrivatePoopyPants than ColonelKernel
[09:43] <Determinist> brb, smoke break
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> ops Linus
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> I meant linus
[09:43] <Venson> Determinist: i hear you. i've been frolicking in the goodness of slackware. Might give Ubuntu a try at the end of this year. But before that i'll be sending many of my schoolmates to use it, so i'm mostly researching now and evaluation their help channels
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> im so used to typing linux the word came out automatically
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> lol
[09:43] <Benjamin_L> I created the .xsession file in my home directory but it didn't change a thing. Is there anything in breezy taht overrides my file ?
[09:44] <mahangu> Venson, use parition magic on windows to make the parts
[09:44] <Venson> mahangu: can't afford that. PM isn't free, to my knowledge
[09:44] <TokenBad> for ident for irc what should I apt-get?
[09:44] <Venson> Benjamin_L: what are you trying to do?
[09:44] <mahangu> Venson, mm
[09:45] <Benjamin_L> Venson, I want totry this http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/gnome/1128486649
[09:45] <mahangu> i got the java.bin, how do i make it a deb package?
[09:46] <kemik> !tell mahangu about java
[09:46] <kemik> !tell mahangu about javadeb
[09:46] <tga> !synaptics
[09:46] <ubotu> tga: Are you smoking crack?
[09:46] <Venson> Benjamin_L: you just want to start a bunch of programs when you login?
[09:46] <kemik> mahangu:  read your pm's.. but i'd recommend the .deb install
[09:47] <mahangu> kemik, ok thanks
[09:47] <Benjamin_L> Venson, I'll want to try if this speeds up the login process as they mention
[09:48] <Venson> Benjamin_L: what shell do you use?
[09:48] <Benjamin_L> I'm using default breezy and gnome
[09:49] <Venson> Benjamin_L: actually, nevermind....are you doing this because your current setup is really dog slow?
[09:49] <kikinovak> Hi. I just setup a server with Ubuntu. Installed Lynx to view some html documentation, and it's displayed awkwardly. My install is default utf-8, but what am I supposed to do? reconfigure lynx?
[09:49] <ColonelKernel> you know I wouldnt mind skipping the whole splash screen/pretty sound process either when starting gnome
[09:49] <TokenBad> for ident for irc what should I apt-get?
[09:49] <Benjamin_L> Venson, no, not really, takes around 5-8s to get from gdm to the desktop and this is an amd64 3400+ :)
[09:49] <kemik> kikinovak:  dpkg-reconfigure locales   if you think you need another charset
[09:50] <Venson> Benjamin_L: pretty standard, i'd say
[09:50] <kikinovak> kemik: thanks for the hint... I'll ssh into my server and give it a try
[09:50] <elc16> hello guys can anyone tell me how to share a file or resources to ubuntu or to a windows platform?
[09:50] <seethru> Benjamin_L: thats an interesting hack..
[09:50] <Venson> Benjamin_L: you should know that the processor speed has little to do with how fast your system loads...you need enough RAM and a fast BUS and so on...
[09:51] <Venson> also, 5-8s sounds like a stretch to me. have you actually timed it, Benjamin_L ?
[09:51] <Benjamin_L> Venson, no :)
[09:52] <Venson> thought so :) ....well, good luck in setting that up. i dont know if it really matters....as i login once every two days or so hehe
[09:52] <kemik> im guessing RAM isnt a bottleneck on a amd64... i mean, having less tha 512 or even 1024 on such a system would be weird
[09:53] <kikinovak> kemik: Just gave it a try, chose fr_FR.UTF-8... but still displaying is awkward. Suggestion?
[09:53] <Benjamin_L> I'm using 1GB of RAM so this shouldn't be the problem
[09:53] <ColonelKernel> no use-ah de GUI - no needa da ram
[09:53] <ColonelKernel> my extra box has a gig
[09:53] <kemik> kikinovak:  not really.. but i mean, lynx isnt the best browser out there ;)
[09:53] <ColonelKernel> and this machine has a gig
[09:53] <seethru> Benjamin_L: if you get that working, make sure to post a HOWTO hehe
[09:54] <kikinovak> kemik: it's a server, so it's a minimal 'server' install. no x, no frills, no everything. Just minimal system, cups, apache, ...
[09:54] <Benjamin_L> I just need to get the .xsession recognized by my system ^^
[09:54] <tristanmike> thanx for everything all, good night :)
[09:54] <kemik> kikinovak:  yeah.. try links perhaps?
[09:54] <kemik> kikinovak:  i have it that it's also text-based
[09:55] <kikinovak> kemik: I think it's an encoding issue, not a browser problem
[09:55] <mahangu> kemik, can installing java break my install?
[09:55] <_eXoDuS> mahangu: no
[09:55] <tga> anyone here with a Synaptics touchpad on Hoary?
[09:56] <_eXoDuS> tga i have one in my laptop, no clue if it works by tapping, I always have an usb mouse plugged to it
[09:56] <tga> _eXoDuS: are you on Hoary?
[09:56] <Benjamin_L> should it be .xsession or .Xsession ?
[09:57] <_eXoDuS> tga: no, breezy
[09:57] <_eXoDuS> Benjamin_L: low caps
[09:59] <aftertaf> tga:  i had one with hoary. since use external mouse and breezy..... but it worked on hoary.
[10:00] <bigfoot1> Hello guys, I'm trying to get my Pocket PC working with ubuntu. I'm a newbie. I tried reading some stuff on ubuntu's website, but I'm not sure how to make it work. Can some person with more experience and knowledge lend a hand, please?
[10:01] <mahangu> xmms wont play
[10:01] <mahangu> what's the sound driver i need to set? esound output right
[10:01] <seethru> mahangu: try alsa or oss
[10:02] <mahangu> seethru, oSS freezes, ALSA same problem as esound
[10:02] <mahangu> on my thinkpad r50e, esound worked
[10:02] <mahangu> what does diskwriter do?
[10:02] <mahangu> i tried it and it went on, so i stopped it
[10:02] <mahangu> no sound though
[10:03] <seethru> sound works everywhere else though?
[10:03] <mahangu> seethru, yeah sound works on login etc
[10:04] <mahangu> how can i see if some prog is blocking the card?
[10:05] <Venson> mahangu: fuser
[10:05] <mahangu> Venson, fuser /dev/what
[10:05] <mahangu> works
[10:06] <Venson> mahangu: heh
[10:06] <mahangu> wierd, when i open it through the console it doesnt
[10:06] <mahangu> death cab for cutie!
[10:06] <mahangu> yaya
[10:06] <mahangu> :)
[10:06] <mahangu> off to study, bbl
[10:06] <Trewas> damn, suspend to ram is still broken with my thinkpad, hopefully they'll fix whatever they broke after breezy preview version
[10:07] <Benjamin_L> Trewas, can't even install breezy on my thinkpad :)
[10:07] <mahangu> whoa
[10:07] <mahangu> im staying away from it then :)
[10:07] <mahangu> for now
[10:07] <Benjamin_L> warty works though...
[10:07] <pirre> Benjamin_L: what model?
[10:07] <Benjamin_L> T23
[10:08] <pirre> Benjamin_L: oh, I'm running breezy on my T21
[10:08] <Benjamin_L> install hangs where it checks if image is initramfs
[10:08] <Cashel> howdies.. anyone know what package provides gnome-config in ubuntu breezy's repositories?
[10:08] <pirre> Cashel: use packages.debian.org to locate it, it will most probably be in the ubuntu package with the same name
[10:08] <Cashel> ahhh good idea, thanks
[10:08] <pirre> Benjamin_L: though I started out with warty, then upgraded to hoary and then to breezy
[10:09] <Trewas> installation went very smoothly on this a20p, and everything worked afterwards... but now after a few kernel/acpi-support upgrades it does not wake after suspend-to-ram, hibernate works though
[10:09] <Benjamin_L> pirre, yeah warty works, hoary does not and breezy doesn't either...
[10:09] <pirre> Benjamin_L: okay
[10:09] <eythian> is it possible to add arbitrary folders to the 'Places' menu?
[10:09] <Benjamin_L> it's realy fun dist-upgrading warty to breezy ^^
[10:10] <apokryphos> Benjamin_L: which is explicitly not supported
[10:10] <Benjamin_L> apokryphos, what would you do instead if all you can install is warty ? :)
[10:10] <vbgunz> how do I export my thunderbird and firefox profile from my Windows account to Ubuntu?
[10:10] <Cashel> Anyone know if there is an app that will monitor what packages are being used over a certain period of time, then afterwards telling you which went unused??
[10:10] <apokryphos> Benjamin_L: warty -> hoary -> breezy
[10:10] <Benjamin_L> ah ok, think this is what I did
[10:11] <vbgunz> I tried looking for "export" but could not find it... someone mentioned it is possible but I can't find it...
[10:11] <Benjamin_L> but now I got a new hdd
[10:11] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  search google to find out where both OSs store the profiles, they try just copy/paste
[10:11] <pirre> Cashel: not that I know of. There is "deborphan" that will tell you which packages that no other packages depend upon
[10:12] <Hoxzer> ok....
[10:12] <Hoxzer> can I somehow run ubuntu live CD without xserver?
[10:12] <eythian> Cashel, use 'find' to find things in /bin etc that haven't been accessed for a certain length of time, and then find the packages that own them
[10:13] <fr33mind> Is there a way to have DOS VGA font in gnome-terminal?
[10:13] <vbgunz> aftertaf: I can pretty much move my Thunderbird profile from anywhere to anywhere on Windows... I know how to do that... But it takes a few search and replace lines... Also, I am not sure if Thunderbird will at some point blow a fit when on Linux... iam fearful of losing my email account and profile :(
[10:13] <Cashel> eythian, doesnt work for libs, which is mostly my concern.. I've installed a couple billion trying to get various things to work, lol
[10:14] <Hoxzer> heyyy?
[10:14] <eythian> Cashel, sure it'll work for libs too
[10:14] <pirre> Cashel: if you want to remove unused libs, deborphan is your friend!
[10:14] <Hoxzer> :D I need to setup my grub
[10:14] <Hoxzer> and I can't do it without live CD
[10:14] <Hoxzer> so how can I start it without xserver
[10:14] <fr33mind> I found a way to have DOS VGA font in xterm but not in gnome-terminal at this time... is there a way to have it?
[10:14] <aftertaf> lol vbgunz i live with that fear too :)
[10:14] <Cashel> pirre, see the thing is, they will be considered used by deborphan if something depends on them , even if that something is itself never used :P
[10:14] <fr33mind> I have a font file .pcf
[10:14] <pirre> Cashel: true
[10:14] <Hoxzer> because I have nvidia card that wont work without nvidia drivers and Live CD doesn't include them
[10:15] <Cashel> oh well I have enough HD space... no biggie was just wondering if there was such an app
[10:15] <vbgunz> I'll hopefully figure it out :P
[10:15] <aftertaf> hehe vbgunz cool :)
[10:15] <Cashel> what I realy want to know is why this perl app isnt finding gtk
[10:15] <vbgunz> frigging kills me Thunderbird and Firefox are so popular yet fail to help end users export complete profiles, etc... Thats nuts
[10:15] <Hoxzer> geez I burned live CD for nonthing
[10:17] <Cashel> The_Vox!
[10:17] <Cashel> ltns man
[10:17] <Cashel> <- DrStoney
[10:17] <Cashel> lol
[10:17] <vbgunz> anyone know of a really straight forward search and replace utility that will recurse a directory?
[10:17] <The_Vox> kwira, Cashel :)
[10:17] <Cashel> hows #linuxhelp these days?
[10:17] <kemik> vbgunz:  your .mozilla-thunderbird and .mozilla-firefox directories...
[10:17] <kemik> vbgunz:  in ~/
[10:17] <Hoxzer> eh... :E
[10:17] <benplaut> I have a laptop hooked up to an external moniter. Totem [breezy]  has a nice little splash screen  with a little film real (i think) that appears before you start a movie. For some odd reason, when turning on the laptop with the moniter connected, the splash shows up blank, and the movies work - but with no picture. What the...?
[10:17] <The_Vox> still there, Cashel :)
[10:18] <Cashel> I wouldnt even go to undernet anymore if it wasnt for the fact I op in #bookz :P
[10:18] <Hoxzer> somebody tell me :E
[10:18] <kemik> vbgunz:  search and replace... filenames ?
[10:19] <vbgunz> kemik: I know where the profiles are... I just wish to get my Windows profiles and import them into Ubuntu...  I basically need to recurse all files in those directories and replace Windows paths to Linux paths
[10:20] <malv> i can't resist
[10:20] <kemik> vbgunz:  ahh  i c... thought there would be some export options... at least there are import options :)
[10:20] <eythian> Hoxzer, I'd say so. Have you had a look at the boot options you can give?
[10:21] <kemik> vbgunz:  mmmh i understand.. i would just export contacts/messages and bookmarks... cus im pretty sure that can be done
[10:21] <vbgunz> kemik: Do you know of any search and replace utilities for Linux that will recurse a directory?
[10:21] <kemik> unfortunately no
[10:21] <vbgunz> kemik: the most critical thing in Thunderbird I need to handle is my over 2000 filters :P
[10:21] <Cashel> Anyone here actively involved with breezy's devel?
[10:21] <kemik> spamfilters? ouch
[10:22] <kemik> Cashel:  try #ubuntu-devel
[10:22] <vbgunz> I did it once by hand on Windows and I will never do it again... I have Thunderbird backed up across the board on types of medium cause I will never do it again...
[10:22] <Cashel> ahhh great thanks
[10:23] <malv> so is breezy slower like I've been hearing?
[10:23] <kemik> well, gluck anyway
[10:23] <vbgunz> I can hopefully move those profiles if I just replace the paths correctly, no one have any ideas of any search and replace utilities to recursively go through a directory?
[10:23] <Determinist> malv: aye
[10:23] <malv> =/
[10:23] <malv> ah well, one week away from official release anyways
[10:23] <Cashel> its not slower for me
[10:24] <Determinist> malv: just turn cairo off and it'll go back to being nice and fast tho
[10:24] <malv> Determinist: ok, thanks for the tip
[10:24] <cafuego_> malv: If you don't have a huge amount of ram, yes.
[10:24] <malv> cafuego_:  I have a gig
[10:24] <Hoxzer> eythian: there is only expert and standard mode
[10:24] <Hoxzer> can I recover grub with knoppix?
[10:24] <cafuego_> malv: you'll be fine. though on occasion you may swap a few hundred Mb
[10:24] <ccooke> I've found breezy *much* faster than hoary was.
[10:24] <Determinist> malv: np mate
[10:25] <malv> yea, you never know =). Might be slow for some, faster for others. The new BF2 patch has made everything silky smooth for me, but for everyone else, the opposite
[10:26] <Hoxzer> when the installation askes what resolutions I  wanna use in xserver how can I unselect them?
[10:27] <daejavu> hi .. how do i check where is my Sound Card installed on ? ... /dev/adsp  or where ? cause its not adsp
[10:27] <Gnuclear> i keep getting this msg "User interaction required! A new version of the Linux kernel has just been installed. We strongly  recommend that your machine is restarted as soon as possible to complete the system update." no matter how many times i reboot
[10:27] <Gnuclear> how do i get rid of it?
[10:27] <cafuego_> my laptop is marginally faster under breezy. The improved experience makes yu put up with a fair bit of slowdown, though :-)
[10:27] <malv> daejavu: /dev/dsp exist when oss or alsa oss emulation is enabled
[10:27] <cafuego_> Gnuclear, Click on the lightbulb, click 'ok'.
[10:27] <Gnuclear> >.<
[10:28] <Gnuclear> doh
[10:28] <malv> try modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[10:28] <cafuego_> Gnuclear, no ACTUAL rebooting is required to make it stop whining ;-)
[10:28] <Gnuclear> cafuego - did it over 7 times
[10:28] <daejavu> malv, im trying EnemyTeritory, and theres a problem with sound .. that is no sound ! someone suggested that i should find where is my sound installed andchange the config according to that
[10:30] <daejavu> malv, nothing happens after that ...  modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[10:37] <malv> darn, daejavu left
[10:38] <Hoxzer> YEAH
[10:38] <Hoxzer> :D
[10:38] <Hoxzer> lol
[10:38] <Hoxzer> I almost said "it's working"
[10:38] <Hoxzer> but not
[10:39] <lightstar> anyone here uses shfs by any chance?
[10:39] <crashbox> hey all, i'm trying to install vlc on an amd64 with amd64 version of Ubuntu.  But, i get an error from synaptic saying that wxvlc and vlc are not going to be installed. so, i i tried installing those but i get more errors when trying to install those packages individually.  u can see here at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2783
[10:39] <Hoxzer> I need to reconfigure it :E
[10:41] <malv> crashbox: are you mixing breezy and hoary repositories?
[10:42] <crashbox> i dont thin so, lemme double check
[10:45] <Hoxzer> how can I check if I have /boot/ listing in my fstab?
[10:45] <Vankar> I just installed Ubuntu on my other PC, skipped the Network Configuration during installation. How can i do it now?
[10:45] <joee> hey why do I get /usr/bin/startxfce4: Starting X Server
[10:45] <joee> and /usr/bin/startxfce4: line 45: exec: xinit: not found
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hoxzer: grep boot /etc/fstab
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Vankar: system -> administration -> networking
[10:46] <Hoxzer> Kamping: I think you need to know i'm running live cd and that doesn't print anything
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have startxfce4 installed?
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, on your hdd?
[10:46] <joee> I got xserver installed andn also xfce4
[10:46] <Ryan_T> Does Ubuntu automatically create partitions when i chose to not start from scratch? Or do i have to already have a partition set up?
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hoxzer: try 'sudo mount /dev/hd? /mnt/ && grep boot /mnt/etc/fstab'
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ryan_T: you can create partitions with hte installer
[10:47] <Ryan_T> thanks
[10:47] <Gnuclear> question- so in order to boot to the new kernel do i have to manually edit the menu.1st file?
[10:48] <Vankar> do i need any special configuration for two computers connected directly through a newtwork cable(the one with internet connection runs WinXP)
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gnuclear: should do it by default
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Vankar: make sure the xp box is the gateway
[10:49] <Gnuclear> Kamping_Kaiser - i've clicked that darned notification and rebooted the PC several times...but i am still being asked to reboot using the updated kernel.
[10:49] <Gnuclear> what gives?
[10:49] <jkrogh> I have a few special options in grub's "menu.lst", is there a way to make them survive a kernel-upgrade automatically?
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gnuclear: if theres more then one thing on the notificiation doover you need to view them all before it buggers off, otherwise it could be a bug
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jkrogh: not sure, sorry
[10:51] <Vankar> Kamping_Kaiser: XP is the gateway, but how do it tell Ubuntu that?
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Vankar: in the network settings tool there should be a way, or edit the config file
[10:52] <Vankar> Kamping_Kaiser: i forgot to mention: I'm a noob, no config editing for me yet
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. thats ok :)
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats why you asked :D
[10:52] <aftertaf> noob!!!! :)
[10:52] <aftertaf> a lot of us are..... ;)
[10:52] <Ryan_T> like me
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser>  system -> administration -> networking is the tool your after Vankar
[10:53] <Vankar> under system-> administration there is no network button:S
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> as if i am :P
[10:53] <aftertaf> lol
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Vankar: right. its there in breezy :|
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone with hoary who can tell Vankar where it is?
[10:54] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  for this gateway thing, a console method woulf be to set eth0 gateway in /etc/networking/interfaces... right?
[10:54] <eythian> err. In hoary it's also System->Administration->Networking
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: yep
[10:54] <aftertaf> oki.
[10:54] <aftertaf> not too hard... ;)
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:55] <mahangu> aftertaf, or just do route add gw xx.xx.xx.xx
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your a dhcp client, you have have to change the config to make it rmemember, but you should be ok
[10:55] <aftertaf> mahangu:  ok. would that be persistent?
[10:55] <mahangu> aftertaf, not after startup, but you can write a shellscript that adds it
[10:56] <aftertaf> or put it in if-up.d?
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> or add it to teh config file....
[10:56] <Hendric> does breezy include gnome with cairo????
[10:56] <aftertaf> Hendric:  yep.
[10:56] <aftertaf> 2.12
[10:56] <Hendric> why does it seem so slow on my AMD sempron 2200 + 128MB of RAM
[10:56] <Hoxzer> strange
[10:57] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to build up grub
[10:57] <mahangu> cairo?
[10:57] <Cashel> what IS cairo anyways?
[10:57] <Hendric> the slowness of gnome is unbearable... opening firefox takes 10 secs
[10:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably your ram Hendric, but slow is relative to what your used to :)
[10:57] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  yeah, true......    :) I'm wanting to get a little linux LAN network setup one day to learn all that stuff. only ever done it in Win.
[10:57] <malv> pray for my ubuntu upgrade
[10:57] <mahangu> lol
[10:57] <Hoxzer> it's trying to boot hd0,0 and I want it to boot hd0,1
[10:57] <aftertaf> cairo is a new rendering engine.
[10:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: drop by some time :) ;)
[10:57] <Hoxzer> :D
[10:57] <Hoxzer> lol
[10:57] <Cashel> awww
[10:57] <malv> all these error messages are frightening me
[10:57] <mahangu> Hoxzer, is this /etc/fstab?
[10:57] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  hehe only half aplanet to circumvent
[10:57] <Hendric> can anyone help me with improving speed on my breezy setup??? unbearable lag with gnome :(
[10:58] <Cashel> must be realy amazing, having noticed absolutely no difference between gnome 2.10 and 2.12
[10:58] <Hoxzer> mahangu: dunno but I configured it by the howto
[10:58] <malv> Hendric: disable ciaro
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: thats ok.
[10:58] <Hoxzer> and I used root (hd0,1)
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hoxzer: to change grub ? menu.list
[10:58] <dooglus> Hendric: what does 'top' show is at the top?
[10:58] <aftertaf> malv:  This is an error message. It's purpose is to inorm you, but it can indeed frighten and cause anguish... :)
[10:58] <Hendric> malv, if i do.. i think it will become slower
[10:59] <Hoxzer> Kamping: I just manually recovered my grup and now it doens't boot
[10:59] <malv> aftertaf: eh, i can fix it. I've used gentoo for over a year
[10:59] <Hoxzer> it finds to OS's
[10:59] <Hoxzer> but doesn't start them'
[10:59] <Hendric> dooglus; can you expand
[10:59] <dooglus> Hendric: run a gnome-terminal, and in it, type "top" and hit return
[10:59] <Hendric> dooglus; wait
[10:59] <dooglus> Hendric: it will show the busiest processes on your box in a continually updating display
[11:00] <mahangu> can i suspend x, go to shell and reload it? how?
[11:00] <aftertaf> mahangu:  CTL ALT F1
[11:00] <aftertaf> but it wont suspend.
[11:00] <mahangu> aftertaf, and CTL ALT F1 again brings me back?
[11:00] <aftertaf> mahangu:  nope, CTL F7
[11:01] <aftertaf> X inbackground.
[11:01] <dooglus> mahangu: not CTL F7, ALT F7 to get back
[11:01] <aftertaf> crap!
[11:01] <aftertaf> thx dooglus
[11:01] <Hoxzer> ok, when I try to configure grub with command: root (hd0,2) it says "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83"
[11:01] <Hoxzer> then I use command setup (hd0)
[11:01] <dooglus> mahangu: you can go to 6 different shells - with Ctl-Alt-F1 through Ctl-Alt-F6
[11:02] <defsy> hi, today reportedly the CUPS and local network (normally via statically assigned eth0) stopped working at home :( As I am remote, I can't tell you a lot... only that my gateway says: "eth0: Setting 100mbps full-duplex based on auto-negotiated partner ability 41e1." which looks rather normal :S Any ideas I could carry out telling my mom what to do...? ;)
[11:02] <Hendric> dooglus; it says tasks 78 etc...
[11:02] <dooglus> mahangu: once you've 'escaped' X, all you need is Alt-F1, Alt-F2, etc.
[11:02] <Determinist> Venson: you still about?
[11:02] <aftertaf> lol defsy :)
[11:02] <Venson> Determinist: what's up?
[11:02] <Hoxzer> :D
[11:02] <Determinist> Venson: sorry for going poof on you earlier
[11:02] <BockBilbo> Seveas, why did u kicked me from ubuntu-unregged?
[11:02] <dooglus> Hendric: the 7th line is mostly white, and under there is the top process.  what is its 'COMMAND' and '%CPU'?
[11:02] <Venson> Determinist: thats alright
[11:02] <Hoxzer> now somebody help me with grub
[11:02] <Hoxzer> in private chat
[11:02] <lastnode> hey altertaf, how do i get back in to X?
[11:03] <BockBilbo> i was helping that guy out
[11:03] <lastnode> :)
[11:03] <Seveas> BockBilbo, because that channel should be empty, read the kickmsg
[11:03] <aftertaf> lastnode:  alt + F7
[11:03] <Hoxzer> its trying to moun hd0,0 when I start and I want it to mount hd0,1
[11:03] <mahangu> hehe
[11:03] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ok.
[11:03] <Determinist> Venson: no more FC3-4 for you?
[11:03] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[11:03] <Venson> Determinist: not since Jan this year
[11:03] <Determinist> Venson: ah, got tired of that OS after a while, so many things simply not fitting
[11:04] <Hoxzer> how can I choose what hdd does grub moun when it's trying to boot linux?
[11:04] <mahangu> man shells rock
[11:04] <lastnode> woo
[11:04] <lastnode> ok ok i stop
[11:04] <Venson> Determinist: *nod* ....i wanted something with a longer release schedule that was also stabler and feature-filled......i stuck with Slackware
[11:04] <Hoxzer> lol ->
[11:05] <Determinist> Venson: how's that working for you?
[11:05] <defsy> Hoxzer: under /boot/grub/ might be a menu.lst (see man menu.lst) ... never tried it on ubuntu, though.
[11:05] <mahangu> anybody here got a console mail reader to work with gmail?
[11:05] <Determinist> where's that automount script for fat32 partitions/
[11:05] <Venson> Determinist: pretty good, actually. I like it much. Might try something else because i'm getting all rusty about configuring my system. I don't seem to do much lately, because my system is just set up the way i want it
[11:05] <mahangu> Determinist, just put them in /etc/fstab
[11:06] <Determinist> mahangu: i know , i just wanted that script that auto does that for you, cant be arsed :P
[11:06] <mahangu> /dev/hdax /mnt/point vfat defaults,umask=0 0 0
[11:06] <dooglus> Hendric, did you get lost?
[11:06] <mahangu> determinist, it's just once, right?
[11:06] <Determinist> mahangu: right
[11:06] <dooglus> mahangu: what's your fave console mail reader?
[11:06] <lastnode> dooglus: i dunno, ive never tried one
[11:07] <lastnode> heh, sorry about the confusion, i jumped back to console
[11:07] <dooglus> lastnode: do you use irssi?
[11:07] <defsy> dooglus: sylpheed-claws with that gtk-to-ncurses-lib ;) SCNR
[11:07] <aftertaf> lastnode has gone schizo on us :)
[11:07] <lastnode> dooglus: atm yeah im using it
[11:07] <lastnode> aftertaf: you have no idea mate
[11:07] <Ryan_T> Did anyone use "Toast Titanium" to burn their CD?
[11:07] <lastnode> :)
[11:07] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:07] <Hendric> dooglus, someones using it... typing something important.. can you wait for a while?
[11:08] <dooglus> lastnode: if you run irssi inside 'screen' then you can take it back and forth between the console and GNOME
[11:08] <lastnode> i talk to my laptop sometimes, i call her arwen
[11:08] <lastnode> dooglus: how can i do that?
[11:08] <lastnode> screen irss?
[11:08] <lastnode> scrn irssi?
[11:08] <dooglus> Hendric: dure
[11:08] <dooglus> lastnode, just "screen".  you'll get a command prompt.  run anything you like.
[11:08] <Venson> lastnode: keep your hands where i can see them...and slowly move away from the laptop....no one's going to hurt you
[11:08] <lastnode> Venson: really? why not? im like into BDSM and shit
[11:08] <lastnode> :P
[11:08] <dooglus> then, switch to (X / the console) and type "screen -d -r"
[11:09] <Venson> lastnode: yeah...but laptop abuse is just not tolerated :P
[11:09] <dooglus> that will detach the screen from where you were, and reattach it where you are.
[11:09] <aftertaf> screen pwns
[11:09] <lastnode> Venson: she's MY laptop
[11:09] <lastnode> dooglus, how can i get it to work in console?
[11:09] <lastnode> exit
[11:09] <lastnode> fark
[11:09] <lastnode> lol
[11:09] <dooglus> you can even do stuff like start a build running at work, then go home, dial in and reattach to the screen you were building in to see how it went
[11:09] <dooglus> lastnode: it just works - it's a console app
[11:10] <aftertaf> lastnode:  search gnu screen gems in google.......
[11:10] <malv> i like the new background in breezy
[11:10] <malv> very awesome
[11:11] <lastnode> shoot, i forget how to kill irssi
[11:11] <lastnode> :)
[11:11] <dooglus> /quit
[11:11] <lastnode> oh how stupid of me
[11:11] <mouhahaha> i hibernated ubuntu  now i got it running back but my usb mouse and its not working, is there a command that'll make it work ?
[11:11] <aftertaf> looooooooool
[11:12] <Hoxzer> This is like killing meee....
[11:12] <aftertaf> mouhahaha:  if you unplug and plugin again?
[11:12] <Hoxzer> I will never again install linux and
[11:12] <Hoxzer> windows into same hdd
[11:12] <defsy> Hoxzer: have you tried LILO yet?
[11:12] <lastnode> back
[11:12] <Hoxzer> what is lilo :D
[11:12] <malv> Hoxzer: should read up on grub
[11:12] <lastnode> now how do i do screen?
[11:13] <Ryan_T> where can i host my own irc server?
[11:13] <Hoxzer> malv: I have read everything
[11:13] <aftertaf> lastnode:  screen -x
[11:13] <defsy> Hoxzer: a different bootloader that is in some ways a bit more restricted but in other ways easier to work with *g*
[11:13] <aftertaf> or   lastnode:  screen -r
[11:13] <lastnode> aftertaf: while in irssi? no right? how do i switch back to the command line?
[11:14] <crashbox> hey all, i'm trying to install vlc on an amd64 with amd64 version of Ubuntu.  But, i get an error from synaptic saying that wxvlc and vlc are not going to be installed. so, i i tried installing those but i get more errors when trying to install those packages individually.  u can see here at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2783 and i'm not using any hoary reps, i check the source.list file.
[11:14] <aftertaf> hehe... CTL + A   is the basis of all hotkeys in screen
[11:14] <dooglus> is there a bugzilla for multiverse?
[11:14] <malv> so will a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade kill my breezy upgrade?
[11:14] <lastnode> dooglus: eh?
[11:14] <aftertaf> CTL A C adds a new screen to your screen.... CTL+A then C
[11:15] <ccooke> malv: is there one going on?
[11:15] <dooglus> like where should bugs in multiverse packages go?
[11:15] <ccooke> malv: if so, the apt-get will just refuse to work
[11:15] <malv> ccooke: about to initiate one
[11:15] <aftertaf> lastnode:  CTL A N  or CTL A P   to switch between
[11:15] <ccooke> malv: the update manager *does* a dist-upgrade
[11:15] <lastnode> aftertaf: im confused
[11:15] <malv> ccooke: says there is a problem that dist upgrade should fix
[11:16] <ccooke> malv: ah, I see.
[11:16] <malv> ccooke: basically a bagillion packages didn't get installed
[11:16] <ccooke> malv: quite the update, then run dist-upgrade.
[11:16] <ccooke> malv: er. quit.
[11:17] <jip> hi. how can i change xmms' menu font? changing gtk-theme wont do any good
[11:18] <deFrysk> jip, try beep-media-player its a xmms-clone and gtk2
[11:18] <defsy> jip: have you tried in the preferences, last tab?
[11:20] <jip> defsy, i don't mean the playlist. i'm talking about menus
[11:21] <Ryan_T> If i install Ubuntu without erasing my hard-drive, will it automatically create a partition? or do i have to have one already made?
[11:21] <jip> deFrysk, i just installed it, but it's commandline?
[11:22] <mylastmorning> hey
[11:22] <mylastmorning> how do you search for a specific file?
[11:22] <jip> locate or find
[11:22] <mylastmorning> eather.
[11:23] <Ryan_T> im still liking for an aswer
[11:23] <Hendric> dooglus; top says... %CPU = 2.0, COMMAND = xorg, %MEM = 9.2
[11:23] <mylastmorning> jip, I want to find all .wad files.
[11:23] <Vankar> I cannot find the Networking pannel under system->administration
[11:23] <Hendric> do you need every "COMMAND" data?
[11:23] <Nvidiot> mylastmorning: locate *wad
[11:25] <defsy> jip: IIRC that's all xmms-themes then :S
[11:26] <lastnode> ok i go shower and brb
[11:27] <Hendric> can anyone help me how to speedup my ubuntu system??? i got AMD sempron 2200 + 128MB and i don't know why its seems so slow on ubuntu
[11:27] <jip> defsy :P
[11:27] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to setup grub?
[11:28] <deFrysk> Hendric, 128 is kinda low on ram
[11:28] <ompaul> Hoxzer, tell more, I may or may not be the person to help, so don't address me, tell all about the issues you have in one line :)
[11:28] <Hendric> 128MB on XP is blazing fast...
[11:28] <Severian> Hendric.  Sure, there are several things.
[11:29] <deFrysk> Hendric, is it now
[11:30] <Severian> Hendric, Here are two things to start. 1 install the 686 kernel.  2. Remove several virtual consoles.
[11:30] <jedrick> i try to install speedtouch dsl modem and i got this error. " need to install gcc " where can i get gcc?
[11:30] <deFrysk> xp gets very slow when all scanners and stuff is up is my experience
[11:30] <Hendric> 686 kernel?? how can i do that sir?
[11:30] <Nvidiot> jedrick: you need to grab the compiler package
[11:30] <jedrick> how?
[11:30] <Severian> Synaptic has the 686 kernel.  Just search for 686.
[11:30] <Nvidiot> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:31] <Nvidiot> (or use Synaptic)
[11:31] <Hendric> with virtual consoles, are you referring to workspaces?? i removed them already and made it 1
[11:31] <jedrick> im new to linux im not familiar with that stuff
[11:31] <Severian> It is called linux-686 in Synaptic.
[11:31] <Hendric> Severian; should i remove 386 kernel??/
[11:31] <Nvidiot> jedrick: you should install software via Synaptic, not compile it manually
[11:32] <jedrick> how?
[11:32] <Nvidiot> jedrick: system -> administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:33] <jedrick> then?
[11:33] <Nvidiot> jedrick: the driver for your dsl modem may be in there as well
[11:33] <Severian> The virtual console are the full screen terminal windows you go to by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1, for example.  The default install has more virtual console than most anyone needs and they each take memory.
[11:33] <jedrick> you mean i can find the gcc in the synaptic pachage manager?
[11:33] <lastnode> jedrick: yes
[11:33] <hyphenated> these days, the 'redundant' ones are just placeholders, otherwise X wouldn't get the 7th spot, and people would get confused about where to switch back to
[11:33] <Nvidiot> jedrick: yes, search for build-essential
[11:34] <Severian> Hendric, no.  Don't remove the 386 kernel.  When you install the 686 kernel, grub is updated to boot to it anyway.
[11:34] <Nvidiot> jedrick: also, try searching for the speedtouch dsl driver, it may be in there
[11:34] <Vankar> Looks like ubutu didn't install my Netowrk driver, when i try to install it through Add/Remove software it tries to download it. but no network=no download
[11:34] <jedrick> ok thnx a lot
[11:34] <jedrick> i try
[11:34] <defsy> damn :( today is a very bad day. Now firefox doesn't start but SEGFAULTS :( What was the command to wrap a program and get it's library and syscall access printed?
[11:34] <Nvidiot> systrace ?
[11:34] <hyphenated> defsy: strace
[11:34] <defsy> thanks :D
[11:34] <hyphenated> defsy: but that won't tell you too much. run it in gdb instead
[11:35] <hyphenated> (crashes rarely happen inside a syscall)
[11:35] <Hendric> Severian, i tried the virtual consoles... im on a login prompt.. how can i get back to my desktop???
[11:35] <hyphenated> Hendric: ctrl+alt+f7
[11:36] <Hendric> Severian; and how can i remove other virtual consoles.. and leave it as 1
[11:36] <Severian> To remove a few virtual consoles, edit /etc/inittab  Look for lines that look like    2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[11:36] <Severian> Ctrl-Alt-F7 is X
[11:36] <hyphenated> but it won't be if you remove a few
[11:36] <Hendric> is it safe to remove all.. and only have 1 console???
[11:37] <aftertaf> Hendric:  no use. keep all
[11:37] <aftertaf> they dont bother you being there..... better keeping them.
[11:37] <Hendric> aftertaf; i need to increase speed
[11:37] <deFrysk> Hendric, by ram
[11:37] <Hendric> gnome is so slow on my system.. and it's unbearable.. firefox loads for around 15-20 secs
[11:37] <aftertaf> ok.... but i doubt those idle processes qre using your resources
[11:37] <deFrysk> 128 is pretty low
[11:38] <aftertaf> Hendric:  try kde.
[11:38] <Severian> Yes it will, depending on how you do it.  I change the lines in inittab to start virtual consoles 2 through 6 in run level 2 and 3, and not 4 and 5.  7 stays the console for x.
[11:38] <aftertaf> it works well on low mem machines.
[11:38] <Hendric> aftertaf, im on ubuntu
[11:38] <aftertaf> and......
[11:38] <Vankar> My ubuntu can't access the CDROM or Desktop in X, and i'm not familiar with the Terminal commands
[11:38] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-desktop
[11:38] <Severian> Hendric, how much memory do you have?
[11:38] <deFrysk> he has 128
[11:38] <deFrysk> too low
[11:38] <lastnode> aftertaf: im in screen now
[11:39] <Hendric> i have 128MB DDR400 with AMD sempron 2200 which is super fast in windows
[11:39] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[11:39] <lastnode> but screen -r in x gives me nothing
[11:39] <aftertaf> and screen -x ?
[11:39] <lastnode> nothing
[11:39] <lastnode> just checked
[11:39] <aftertaf> weird....
[11:39] <lastnode> heh,
[11:39] <aftertaf> check that liknk i sent you.
[11:39] <aftertaf> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[11:39] <lastnode> thanks will check
[11:39] <Severian> That is not really enough.  Ubuntu is a great distro, but not what I would choose for a low memory system like that.  Hendric, can you get it to 256 meg?  You will be much happier with it.
[11:40] <deFrysk> Hendric, als xfce4 would run faster as it rquires 64 meg ram
[11:40] <deFrysk> also*
[11:40] <Hendric> Severian; i have another unit here with 396MB mem.. with 128MBVRAM... p42.8, but gnome is a bit slower still.. even with nvidia-glx
[11:41] <Hendric> i tried xfce4 on this unit.. got the same result.. although a lil bit faster than gnome
[11:41] <aftertaf> id try kde if your disk isnt full.... see if you find it faster
[11:41] <Hendric> i tried doing server install then xfce4 but still slow
[11:41] <aftertaf> but 128mb is a bottleneck, for sure
[11:41] <Severian> Hendic, with that kind of system, consider adding at least another 256 meg.  I like my systems with 384 meg.  I have a few with 192 meg and they swap too much for me.  The 384 meg systems only swap when I get Firefox really loaded up with lots of tabs.
[11:41] <deFrysk> Hendric, my advice is get ram , its value for speed and a relative low investment
[11:42] <Severian> Hendric, is that system near you now and running?
[11:42] <deFrysk> Hendric, i have an xp2200 with 256 ram and it works ok
[11:42] <Hendric> i have all the system here in my room
[11:42] <Nvidiot> lol, nice screensaver, the flying toasters & toast one
[11:42] <deFrysk> planning to get more tho ;)
[11:43] <crashbox> hey all, i'm trying to install vlc on an amd64 with amd64 version of Ubuntu.  But, i get an error from synaptic saying that wxvlc and vlc are not going to be installed. so, i i tried installing those but i get more errors when trying to install those packages individually.  u can see here at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2783 and i'm not using any hoary reps, i checked the source.list file.
[11:43] <aftertaf> duron 1.8G with 512 SDR runs lovely
[11:43] <Severian> Go to the sysystem you think is slow.  Either one.  Bring up a terminal window and type   top
[11:43] <aftertaf> PIII 500 with 256 too :)
[11:43] <deFrysk> Hendric, also using opera it an (ugly) option
[11:43] <Severian> Hendic, that will show you how much memory is in use and by what processes.
[11:44] <deFrysk> opera has a lower startup time
[11:44] <Hendric> Severian; wait.. should i paste the result??
[11:44] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[11:44] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:44] <aftertaf> Hendric:  ^^^^^^^
[11:45] <Severian> No  Just tell me what it says on the line that starts with Mem.
[11:45] <lastnode> aftertaf: ill get down to it later
[11:45] <lastnode> back to studying now
[11:45] <lastnode> gotta apt-get tuxracer and tuxkart too
[11:45] <aftertaf> hehe ok
[11:45] <aftertaf> that is studying :)
[11:45] <lastnode> any other games you'd recommend?
[11:45] <aftertaf> supertux
[11:45] <deFrysk> njam
[11:45] <lastnode> aftertaf: i wish it was true
[11:45] <ompaul> frozen bubble
[11:45] <aftertaf> !info njam
[11:45] <lastnode> deFrysk: what does njam do?
[11:45] <lastnode> right there we go
[11:45] <lastnode> i love the console, it's so sweet
[11:45] <deFrysk> a pacman clone , but a good one
[11:46] <ompaul> game of massive addiction  frozen bubble
[11:46] <aftertaf> hehe console pwns
[11:46] <aftertaf> ompaul:  gonna apt-get after todas update :)
[11:46] <Nvidiot> tuxcart isn't in the package management
[11:46] <lastnode> anyway to get irssi to use proxies?
[11:46] <Severian> Hendic, top will update every couple of seconds.  To quit it, just type the letter q
[11:46] <lastnode> i just apt-getted tor
[11:46] <Nvidiot> at least, here it's not
[11:46] <Hendric> Severian; MEM: 132000+kb total and 105000kb used...
[11:47] <ompaul> aftertaf, frozen bubble is not work safe - it requires a full screen display, it requires attention, it is in a word mad
[11:47] <Severian> Hendric, and the next line.  The one that starts with Swap.
[11:47] <aftertaf> ompaul:  in fact doing it now thru screen & ssh to a 2nd pc, then ill export display to this one :)
[11:47] <deFrysk> one thing Hendric if you use azureus it might be the reason things slow down
[11:47] <ompaul> aftertaf, it has a lot music with it - the kind to driver non players insane
[11:47] <dooglus> Hendric: if the top process is only using 2% then it's probably not a CPU issue.
[11:47] <Vankar> What's the best Linux BT client? I use Azureus on windows
[11:47] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if there is a list of compatible tv capturers for ubuntu?
[11:47] <Hendric> swap is 331000K+ total 71000K+ used
[11:48] <dooglus> Hendric: see on line 3, it says "id"?  what's the number before that?  that's the CPU idle percentage
[11:48] <dooglus> Vankar: I use azureus on ubuntu
[11:48] <Hendric> BockBilbo: my playtvpro works well with ubuntu... sane is even detecting it as a scanner.. lolx
[11:48] <ompaul> Vankar, that is a java dependant tool - personally there is a default bittorrent client that does the job gnome-btdownload not half as on screen and in your face
[11:49] <aftertaf> ompaul:  im by myself in the office :)
[11:49] <Severian> Hendic, That is not too bad.  That tells you that going to 192 meg of ram with you currently running applications would have almost no swapping.  A little swapping is not noticable.
[11:49] <ompaul> aftertaf, turn them speakers up
[11:49] <deFrysk> java apps are resource hogs
[11:49] <ompaul> :)
[11:49] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:49] <Hendric> dooglus: my ID says.. 96.7%
[11:49] <BockBilbo> Hendric, is it expensive?
[11:49] <dooglus> I don't think gnome-btdownload discovers hosts as well as azureus, does it?  I think it only uses one tracker per torrent
[11:50] <Hendric> BockBilbo: i bought it for $50
[11:50] <BockBilbo> mmm
[11:50] <dooglus> Hendric: there's no problem with CPU then.  Your box is mostly idle.  Is it going slow at the moment?
[11:50] <Hendric> dooglus: it is.. even by just switching from firefox to synaptic
[11:50] <Hendric> takes 5 sec to load
[11:50] <Severian> Hendric, next, there is a line that starts with Cpu.  What is the percentage before id
[11:50] <dooglus> Hendric: is the disk light on all the time?
[11:51] <dooglus> Severian: I asked that.  It's 96% idle
[11:51] <Hendric> dooglus: the disk lights up if i click or open something... but not all the time
[11:51] <dooglus> Hendric: in the 5 seconds when you switch between apps - is the disk busy all the time then?
[11:51] <ompaul> free?
[11:51] <Hendric> dooglus: indeed busy
[11:52] <dooglus> Hendric: sounds like you're out of memory, and the delays are caused by swapping.
[11:52] <Hendric> switching between windows causes swapping? firefox and synaptics
[11:52] <ompaul> Hendric, type free and how much swap (the bottom line) is free
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> firefox loves memory
[11:53] <ompaul> ColonelKernel, understatement, it is the programming embodyment of memory
[11:53] <Hendric> openoffice takes almost a minute to load..
[11:53] <dooglus> it doesn't matter how much swap is free, really...  it's how much swapping is actively happening that matters
[11:53] <Severian> Hendric, it sounds like that to me.  Anothe 64 meg might even help, based on the numbers you gave earlier.  Do you have any spare memory?
[11:53] <Determinist> what's this /debootstrap dir on my root? didnt appear back when i used hoary
[11:53] <Hendric> i have another spare memory... i'll try this other 128MB
[11:54] <dooglus> Hendric: if both apps can't fit in memory at the same time, then which ever one you switch to has to wait to be loaded out of swap and into ram before it can run
[11:54] <ColonelKernel> Hendric, sounds like its time for a trip to newegg,com
[11:54] <Severian> Hendic, are you going to install it now.  I'll wait, if you are.
[11:55] <Hendric> i'll install it now... wait a sec... shutting ubuntu
[11:55] <BockBilbo> does the sound of the flash plugin work for you guys in hoary after doing the symlink trick?
[11:55] <Tzi> Hey =)
[11:55] <BockBilbo> (it doesnt for me :S)
[11:56] <brownie17> can someone tell me what a "debian woody" package is?
[11:56] <Severian> Whoever mentioned beep-media-player earlier, thanks.  That seems to work nicely.
[11:56] <deFrysk> BockBilbo, unfortunately it does work here
[11:56] <Hendric> OMG.. even the logout effect is slow.. lolx
[11:56] <BockBilbo> deFrysk, do you use breezy?
[11:56] <Tzi> Anyone know why sudo might freeze?  ifconfig seems to freeze too..
[11:56] <Tzi> I installed vmware, and it all stopped working
[11:56] <dooglus> brownie17: debian names its releases after 'toy story' characters, like ubuntu uses animal names
[11:56] <lastnode> anyone here used/uses tor?
[11:56] <deFrysk> BockBilbo, yes
[11:56] <BockBilbo> my bad.. i meant breezy instead of hoary...
[11:56] <dooglus> brownie17: woody came before sarge
[11:57] <Hendric> if this is a memory issue.. why do i get the same result with xfce///
[11:57] <brownie17> dooglus, hahaha. how long has debian been around? i thought it would be much older than toy story. that came out when i was a kid
[11:57] <LoRe> lastnode: i'm using it
[11:57] <Severian> Tzi, well a filesystem in your path being offline could do it.
[11:57] <ompaul> Hendric, the apps you spoke of are hungry very very hungry
[11:57] <brownie17> dooglus, so how old is woody? will it work on ubuntu hoary hedgehog?
[11:57] <lastnode> LoRe: i set localhost 9050 in xchat
[11:57] <dooglus> brownie17: toy story is quite an old film
[11:57] <lastnode> and it tries to connect to freenode:9050
[11:57] <Tzi> Severian: hmm, yeah, seen that before too.. That's not happening this time though =)
[11:57] <BockBilbo> deFrysk, mmm it doesnt work for me.. what did you do? sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 ???
[11:57] <dooglus> brownie17: woody is a version of debian, hoary is a version of ubuntu...  you can't run one on the other.
[11:58] <deFrysk> BockBilbo, i did what the wiki told me to do, I hardly remember
[11:58] <deFrysk> BockBilbo, but it worked
[11:58] <LoRe> lastnode: well, i don't use xchat :)
[11:58] <lastnode> LoRe: IRSSI?
[11:58] <brownie17> dooglus, sorry, my question was wrong. will a file designed for woody work on hoary?
[11:58] <BockBilbo> mmm it worked for me in hoary, but doesnt on breezy
[11:58] <lastnode> LoRe: how do you set proxies in that?
[11:59] <deFrysk> new kernel in breezy, reboot
[11:59] <LoRe> lastnode: torify irssi
[11:59] <iru> brownie: it may or may not work and it is advised to assume it won't work
[11:59] <LoRe> lastnode: you need tsocks to get torify to work
[11:59] <Tzi> ifconfig freezes on 'ioctl(4, SIOCGIFCONF, {', where 4 is bound to socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP)
[12:00] <Hendric> Severian: the kernel-686 did improved the speed alittle... then i tried with 256MB and got a little improvement too... apps still loads so slow even the terminal
[12:00] <bigfoot1> hi guys, I'm a newbie into linux. I'm trying to sync my pocket pc PDA with ubuntu, and i'm using this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30936 . I am in the 2nd part "Synce Setup and Configuration". On a previous day, I have already run the first command  in this section (apt-getting required files), so "synce-serial setup" was not invoked by apt. How could i invoke synce-serial setup? Do i have to delete and then reinstall the
[12:00] <bigfoot1> files?
[12:00] <dooglus> brownie17: maybe.  I don't know...
[12:00] <brownie17> iru, dooglus, well... i want to download "dosbox" for linux. the closest option i can find is debian. there are susie packages and the like
[12:00] <lastnode> LoRe: apt-get tsocks?
[12:00] <Determinist> brownie17: file? what type of file and are you sure you're not meaning package?
[12:00] <dooglus> brownie17: there's no guarantee that it will.
[12:00] <Hendric> dooglus, Severian: the kernel-686 did improved the speed alittle... then i tried with 256MB and got a little improvement too... apps still loads so slow even the terminal!
[12:00] <dooglus> brownie17: you can get dosbox for breezy
[12:01] <iru> brownie: get the source and compile it
[12:01] <dooglus> pool/universe/d/dosbox/dosbox_0.63-2_i386.deb
[12:01] <Severian> Henric, run top and see if you are swapping now.  Leave it running while you switch between apps.
[12:01] <Hendric> i'll try the virtual console killing... how can i do that?
[12:01] <LoRe> lastnode: apt-get install tsocks
[12:01] <Severian> Hendic, edit the file   /etc/inittab
[12:01] <dooglus> Hendic, copy and paste this into a terminal.  what do you see?
[12:01] <dooglus> echo $(ps -lef | sort +9nr | head -5 | awk '{print $15, $10}' | sed 's![^ ] */!!')
[12:02] <Determinist> iru: compiling may be fine and dandy, but go keep track of the things you compile and place in the system. what happens when you want to remove them? what happens if they required dependencies and you just found yourself with a buncha libs you dont need anymore?
[12:02] <iru> doog: holy crap, you just type all that out ? amazing
[12:02] <Hendric> wait i'll open irc on ubuntu
[12:02] <Severian> Hendic, look for a series of lines that look like    2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[12:02] <iru> determ: yup, if available, use the package first :)
[12:03] <brownie17> Determinist, i am meaning package. apologies. dooglus allrighty then, looks like im waiting another 13 days then!
[12:03] <Determinist> iru: that ... or compile, then create a deb :)
[12:03] <bigfoot1> to anybody: I did an apt-get for a package called synce-serial. How do i invoke the setup for this?
[12:03] <aftertaf> dpkg-reconfigure
[12:03] <iru> brown : why wait another 13 days?
[12:03] <bigfoot1> aftertaf, you talking tho me?
[12:03] <bigfoot1> to me?
[12:03] <Severian> Hendic, your lines will have a 4 and a 5 after the 2 and the 3.
[12:04] <brownie17> iru, for breezy
[12:04] <Hendric> so what will i change Severian??
[12:04] <aftertaf> sorry bigfoot1 yes... :)
[12:04] <dooglus> brownie17: it's available for hoary too: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/dosbox
[12:04] <aftertaf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure synce-serial
[12:04] <bigfoot1> aftertaf, thank you.
[12:04] <Severian> I suggest removing the 4 and the 5 for tty 2 through tty6
[12:04] <aftertaf> ;)
[12:04] <larsrohdin> hi, i managed to install, and play max payne1 with cedega. but the sound is all crappy, what can it be?
[12:05] <bigfoot1> aftertaf, thanks for that.
[12:05] <dooglus> brownie17: it's in universe - so you'll have to enable the universe repository.
[12:05] <iru> brown : configure your /etc/apt/sources to use universe
[12:05] <aftertaf> np bigfoot1
[12:05] <Severian> Hendric, do you understand what I mean or should I paste examples?
[12:05] <bigfoot1> aftertaf, i assume you also have a pocket pc, no?
[12:05] <aftertaf> nope ;)... but i know about dpkg a little
[12:05] <iru> brown : then apt-get update
[12:06] <lastnode> tor tells me /var/lib/tor is not owned  by my UID
[12:06] <lastnode> ive chowned it
[12:06] <lastnode> what else can i d?>
[12:06] <dooglus> Severian: those 'getty' processes use less than 1Mb each, don't they?
[12:06] <lastnode> *do?
[12:06] <Severian> Hendric, some people just comment the lines out.  But, I like to still have lots of virtual consoles if I switch to run level 3.
[12:07] <dooglus> Severian: run level 3 doesn't have gdm?
[12:07] <Hendric2> dooglus, gnome-terminal 9140 gnome-cups-icon 9100 nautilus 7033 xchat 6333 X 5165 <-- result
[12:07] <dooglus> Hendric2: those are sizes in - um - not sure...  :)
[12:07] <dooglus> Hendric2: but you don't have anything big running.
[12:07] <Severian> dooglus.  I think it is a bit more than that..  But not much.    If so, just reboot.
[12:08] <dooglus> Hendric2: comment out the 'getty' lines in there
[12:08] <Hendric2> the 686 relly improves
[12:08] <leagris> bigbootay, usbview
[12:08] <Hendric2> *really
[12:09] <Trashie> hey... is it okey to ask questions here?
[12:09] <dooglus> Hendric2: how much RAM do you have total?
[12:09] <dooglus> Trashie: if it isn't, you're in trouble already!
[12:09] <Trashie> hehe :)
[12:09] <ompaul> !tell Trashie about ask
[12:09] <Hendric2> i got 128 still.. coz the 256MB doesn't improve much
[12:09] <larsrohdin> Trashie, no=)
[12:10] <Severian> dooglus, I don't know if gdm is running or not in run level 3.  I assume so, but I have not checked.  Why do you ask?
[12:10] <dooglus> Hendric2: I have 386 and it runs just fine.  are you adding an extra 256 to make 384?  or switching between 128 and 256?
[12:10] <Hendric2> switching between 256 and 128
[12:10] <dooglus> Severian: you said about swithing to runlevel 3 to use the consoles - that confused me.
[12:10] <Hendric2> my other PC can't run if i use all the RAM here...
[12:10] <dooglus> Severian: wouldn't you just hit Ctl-Alt-F1 or something, rather than switching runlevels?
[12:10] <bigfoot1> to anyone. I ran "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices". Will that tell me what tty/usb my pocketpc is on? The output for it is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2788. Please have a look. It's rather short.
[12:10] <dooglus> Hendric2: oh, I see...
[12:11] <larsrohdin> I get crappy sound when playing max payne on cedega... can someone help me?
[12:11] <Hendric2> Severian, im on "nano inittab" what will i change here??
[12:11] <Hendric2> i found the respawn thing
[12:11] <dooglus> Trashie: just ask your question!
[12:11] <dooglus> Hendric2: comment the lines that start 2:, 3:, .. up to 6:...  just leave the 1: line
[12:11] <Jedrick> i install the gcc and when i try to install the speedtouch modem driver i got this error. " the kernel speedtch module is loades. this is not compatible with the speedtouch usermode driver. " how to install my modem?
[12:11] <cafuego_> bigfoot1: There is only once device there, and that's your ipaq.
[12:11] <Hendric2> ok ok
[12:11] <dooglus> Hendric2: unless you need more than one virtual console - it's unlikely
[12:11] <brownie17> someone told me there are specific installs for 686 as compared to x86. is this true for breezy only? how cna i find out which one i am using? how can i upgrade to 686 (i THINK i am using x86)? does that require a complete new install?
[12:12] <Trashie> oki.. i'm running ubuntu on a Toshiba Satellite laptop and i'm only using the touchpad. This is the problem, when i fx browse a webpage and the scrollbar appears. Then when i try to scroll down it scrolls up :D
[12:12] <Hendric2> i just need 1...
[12:12] <Jedrick> anyone?
[12:12] <dooglus> brownie17: you can just install the 686 kernel by installing 'linux-686' in synaptic
[12:12] <Severian> dooglus, the inittab has settings for which runlevels the virtual consoles are created in.  The default is 2 through 5.  So, I assume that run level 3 had gdm.  But, I have not tested it.  I have not ever switched the run level of an Ubuntu system.  That is just for emergencies.
[12:13] <Jedrick> i install the gcc and when i try to install the speedtouch modem driver i got this error. " the kernel speedtch module is loaded. this is not compatible with the speedtouch usermode driver. " how to install my modem?
[12:13] <vbgunz> whats the shortest hand method trick for archiving your entire home directory in one swoop?
[12:13] <Hendric2> how will i know to what kernel i'm using? using terminal....
[12:13] <cafuego_> Severian: No, debian based distros run gdm in all runlevels between 2 and 5. inittab does NOT affect that.
[12:13] <Severian> brownie17, there is a package in Synaptic called linux-686.  It will install a 686 kernel.
[12:14] <dooglus> Severian: I see what you mean now...  but run level 3 is the default, I believe, so you're not saving any memory.
[12:14] <brownie17> Severian, dooglus, only 386 appears in synaptic. i am runnning hoary
[12:14] <cafuego_> If there are things you don't want to run, install 'rcconf' and run that, to disable services.
[12:14] <Jedrick> anyone?
[12:14] <Severian> cafuego_, that is what I thought.
[12:14] <bigfoot1> cafuego, there's only one device there because I cut out the rest of the output (complete output is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2789). So what is the tty for it? I need this info for setting up synce. thank you.
[12:14] <Jedrick> how to install speedtouch moded on ubuntu?
[12:15] <Hendric2> how will i know to what kernel i'm using? using terminal....
[12:15] <Severian> dooglus, run level 5 is the default for most people.  run level 3 is multi user with no x.
[12:15] <cafuego_> bigfoot1: it's a usb device address (device #3 afaik) ttys are not involved.
[12:15] <defsy> vbgunz: I think something along: tar cjvf /mnt/bigstore/vbgunz_home.tar.bz2 /home/vbgunz
[12:15] <cafuego_> Severian: Ubuntu uses 2 by default.
[12:15] <dooglus> Severian: really?
[12:15] <Jedrick> how to install speedtouch modem on ubuntu?
[12:15] <defsy> vbgunz: this is, if you don't have special devices or symlinks around, I think ;)
[12:15] <dooglus> brownie17: it's in 'restricted' in hoary: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/linux-686
[12:16] <dooglus> brownie17: you'll need to add 'restricted' repositories too...
[12:16] <Severian> cafuego_, how about that.  I assumed it was 5 like most distros.
[12:16] <dooglus> !tell brownie17 about repositories
[12:16] <bigfoot1> cafuego, then what do i put in the setup screen (see a mangled copy at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2790)
[12:16] <bigfoot1> ?
[12:16] <cafuego_> Severian: Nope, 2 on anything that's based off debian.
[12:16] <Trashie> The problem appears everytime there is a scrollbar. even in X-chat, if i try to go to a specific place it just keep going up
[12:16] <cafuego_> Severian: Because 2 through 5 are identical, it doesn't matter anyway.
[12:17] <Severian> Ubuntu is the first debian based system I used for any prolonged period.  Before this, I was mostly SuSE.
[12:17] <iru> I want to mirror ubuntu archive locally but not the CD images. Can someone pointme in the right direction.
[12:17] <bigfoot1> cafuego, should i leave it the way it is, which is at "/dev/ttyUSB0"
[12:17] <cafuego_> bigfoot1: Probably ttyUSB0
[12:17] <dooglus> Trashie: how are you scrolling?
[12:18] <Jedrick> how to gain access to root?
[12:18] <dooglus> !tell Jedrick about root
[12:18] <iru> jedrick: sudo su
[12:18] <bigfoot1> cafuego, and it doesn't matter what usb port i stick the pda into? It's always going to be the same ?
[12:18] <cafuego_> Severian: Yeah, I used SuSE for a while after Slack. Debian/Ubuntu are _far_ nicer.
[12:18] <hutgyrr> !root
[12:18] <Severian> Jedrick.  The Ubuntu way is that you don't
[12:18] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:18] <Jedrick> ?
[12:18] <Hendric2> can DMA help me increase speed???? if so, how will i know it is enabled.. and how do i enable it??
[12:18] <Bateau_> i just got this error when trying to install Ubuntu on my laptop: "Copying packages to the hardisk failed. you may have run out of disk space in the target /var filesystem." the disk on the laptop is 8Gb :x that should be enough right? i set up 1gb to swap, and the rest to / (ReiserFS)
[12:18] <cafuego_> bigfoot1: In theory, yes. It might change in the future if you insert another pda first...
[12:18] <dooglus> Bateau_: type "df /var"
[12:18] <cafuego_> !dma
[12:18] <cafuego_> !+dma
[12:18] <ubotu> dma is probably Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[12:19] <Bateau_> dooglus: where? im in the install progress setup thingy
[12:19] <Severian> Jedrick.  if you really want it, just set a password for root.  At least, I have read that.  I have not tested it.
[12:19] <dooglus> Bateau_: oh.
[12:19] <cafuego_> Jedrick: If you need a root shell, run 'sudo -s' and enter your USER password.
[12:19] <brownie17> dooglus, um.. i think restricted repos are added. i'm fairly sure.
[12:19] <dooglus> brownie17: what does it say if you run "apt-cache policy linux-686" ?
[12:20] <brownie17> dooglus, in flood ill tell you
[12:20] <Severian> Hendric2, do you believe you are not using DMA?  DMA is much faster, and I would assume to be the default unless you had a tricky chipset.  What chipset is on your motherboard?
[12:20] <Jedrick> i dont have a password to my root. how can i login as root?
[12:20] <dooglus> brownie17: basically, does it show a candidate?
[12:20] <basvg> hmm, when I start xfig (from hoary) it complains that it "Can't find -*-times-medium-r-normal--13-*-*-*-*-*-ISO8859-*, using 6x13"... does anyone know how to fix that?
[12:20] <Trashie> dooglus: tried possible way of scrolling. it only "works" when i use the arrow keys
[12:21] <dooglus> !tell Jedrick about root
[12:21] <brownie17> dooglus, it says not installed. but it paeears to know where to get it
[12:21] <dooglus> brownie17: so just "sudo apt-get install linux-686" then
[12:21] <cafuego_> Jedrick: You can't. That's the idea. If you think you need to log in as root, you shouldn't have root access ever.
[12:21] <bigfoot1> I ran "sudo synce-serial-config ttyUSB0" but i get an error message: synce-serial-config was unable to find a character device named "ttyUSB0". What's wrong?
[12:21] <Severian> It is a little tricky.  You use sudo to let you set the root password.  I'll have to lookup the parameters.
[12:22] <Hendric> Here's a bug i think.. by using the gnome menu editor.. i tried disabling some.. then enabling them.. some menus won't appear anymore even if i re-enabled them.. how can i make them appear again?
[12:22] <dooglus> just "sudo passwd" will do it
[12:22] <iru> BigFoot : sudo synce-serial-config /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[12:23] <bigfoot1> iru, error message:   synce-serial-config was unable to find a character device named "/dev/ttyUSB0"
[12:23] <cafuego_> !tell Jedrick -about sudo
[12:23] <erisco> hello, it may be a bit weird asking this here, but i am unsure of a better place to ask. i want to get active in some website design forum... helping people out with the knowledge i have. does anyone know an active, friendly place i could try?
[12:23] <Hendric> can gnome use hardware acceleration??
[12:23] <cafuego_> Hendric: Such as?
[12:23] <Severian> Jedrick, cafuego_ is right about that.  I was only telling you that you could theoretically set a root password.  I have been using Ubuntu almost a year and I have not had to do it.  What do you need to do that you think you need to be root for?
[12:23] <cafuego_> Hendric: Are you mixing up useless windows-speak?
[12:24] <Hendric> cafuego, for faster loading of things
[12:24] <erisco> $5 he is =p
[12:24] <brownie17> Severian, wrong name on your message up there ^^^
[12:24] <cafuego_> Hendric: Um... it runs as fast as it can.
[12:24] <Hendric> cafuego, ok.. how bout cairo? does it help?
[12:24] <Severian> brownie17, sorry, which message?
[12:24] <Jedrick> im installing my modem driver
[12:24] <cafuego_> Hendric: It looks nicer, but doesn't appear to be any faster.
[12:24] <brownie17> dooglus, works fine in apt-get, but didn't appear in synaptic, why is that?
[12:25] <Jedrick> and it needs to  be on root
[12:25] <mahangu> are tor user banned from ubuntu?
[12:25] <cafuego_> Jedrick: Then use 'sudo'.
[12:25] <Jedrick> it says cannot run the script if your not in root
[12:25] <cafuego_> mahangu: Yes.
[12:25] <brownie17> Severian, "Severian: Jedrick, cafuego_ is right about that. "
[12:25] <Severian> Jedrick, what command is it that you need to issue as root?
[12:25] <Hendric> cafuego, ah ok. i thought it accelerate things up
[12:25] <mahangu> cafuego, but someone in here just said he's using tor
[12:25] <mahangu> nvm
[12:25] <brownie17> Severian, haha actually my mistake
[12:26] <cafuego_> Hendric: maybe on someone else's machine, certainly not here :-)
[12:26] <brownie17> Severian, i mistook Jedrick and Hendric. thought you wanted hendric
[12:26] <cafuego_> mahangu: Any tor users we've seen here have spammed and trolled only, so the hostmask got banned.
[12:26] <Hendric> cafuego, any suggestions on speeding my system up.. like disabling unused services and stuffs...
[12:26] <Jedrick> anyone here uses speedtouch silver modem?
[12:26] <Jedrick> how to install
[12:26] <cafuego_> Hendric: Buy a faster cpu, more ram.
[12:26] <crispynix> mahangu: tor users and unregistered users. Meanwhile, #debian allows both and has quite a few more people in it.
[12:26] <dooglus> Hendric: are you the same Hendric from irc.mozilla.org?
[12:27] <Hendric> cafuego, im using this system for plain surfing and chat
[12:27] <emanuelez> hello
[12:27] <Hendric> dooglus, nopes...
[12:27] <cafuego_> Hendric: That will never be slow.
[12:27] <dooglus> Hendric: I didn't think so.  Unusual name though.
[12:27] <cafuego_> Hendric: Well, an exception being java applets in mozilla on a 486.
[12:27] <Hendric> thats why im here coz its slow... but kernel-686 improved it a bit
[12:27] <emanuelez> is there any reason why today openoffice doesn't want to open and my gnome desktop took several minutes to load?
[12:28] <mahangu> emanuelez, there could be many reasons
[12:28] <Severian> brownie17, np.  I wondered what I had done.
[12:28] <emanuelez> mahangu: any of them regarding an apt-upgrade i did yesterday? (no backports)
[12:29] <cafuego_> Hendric: I doubt that would create a noticable difference, unless you're running an SMP system.
[12:29] <mahangu> emanuelez, mm i have no idea mate
[12:29] <iru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive is the only info i can find on mirroring ubuntu. Is there any howto or page that is more specific?
[12:29] <mahangu> since when is this?
[12:29] <Hendric> cafuego_, well it did a bit.. wats SMP anyways??
[12:30] <Hendric> i saw linux-686-smp on synaptics
[12:30] <cafuego_> !+smp
[12:30] <ubotu> Wish i knew, cafuego_
[12:30] <emanuelez> i can't recall the name of that good gnome spreadsheet... any hint?
[12:30] <mahangu> i need a good alternative browser. any suggestions?
[12:30] <spacedman> emanuelez: gnumeric?
[12:30] <cafuego_> !smp is Symmetric Multi Processing. The x86 architecture way of using multiple CPUs in one computer.
[12:30] <ubotu> okay, cafuego_
[12:30] <emanuelez> spacedman: yeah! thx :)
[12:30] <Severian> Jedrick, generally any command you think you need to issue as root, you can just put sudo at the beginning of and it will work.
[12:31] <Hendric> ah... just as i thought
[12:31] <mylastmorning> anyone know how to install the java runtime?
[12:31] <vbgunz> how do I backup my entire home directory? I am trying but it's growing bigger than it is supposed to and it wont finish instead popping up an error
[12:31] <malv> sure wonder why epiphany is so much faster than firefox
[12:31] <Hendric> openoffice is really slow.. ms word on crossover is even faster.. weird
[12:31] <mahangu> vbgunz, mv * /new/location ?
[12:31] <topyli> vbgunz: best done with tar
[12:32] <mylastmorning> anyone know how to install the java runtime?
[12:32] <mahangu> mylastmorning, ask once and wait
[12:32] <vbgunz> im not trying to move it, just trying to back it up
[12:32] <mahangu> mylastmorning, have you downloaded the bin?
[12:32] <topyli> !java
[12:32] <ubotu> java is, like, to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[12:32] <mylastmorning> yes mahanu
[12:32] <mahangu> vbgunz, cp * /new/location
[12:32] <mylastmorning> yes mahangu*
[12:32] <vbgunz> im trying to create a new archive and then dragging all files hidden and all into the archive but I get an error
[12:32] <topyli> mylastmorning: see what ubotu said above
[12:33] <mahangu> ubotu, tell mylastmorning about java
[12:33] <vbgunz> mahangu: I am trying to archive it into tar, etc, a package
[12:33] <Severian> vbgunz, do you have room to tar your home directory.?  If you keep important files there, it might be a good idea.
[12:33] <mahangu> vbgunz, tar -(i forget the flags) /home/vbgunz/
[12:33] <mylastmorning> I've already tried that I can't get the "java-package" to install...
[12:34] <mylastmorning> I've already tried that I can't get the "java-package" to install... mahangu
[12:34] <vbgunz> Severian, how do I see how much room I have? I right clicked the home directory and checked properties... It says 159MB. *but* When I just tried to tar just the home directory it expanded to 2.1GB... I am not sure what is happening
[12:34] <Hendric> how can i make totem play alot of file types. like mp3, dvd, vcd, mpg, etc...
[12:34] <topyli> vbgunz: if you're making a tarball, don't create the tarball into your home dir. tar might get confused by a catch-22 :)
[12:34] <mahangu> mylastmorning, i myself just downloaded the .bin, gonna try it later tonight
[12:34] <Severian> vbgunz, I do something like   tar cvpf /home.tar /home/
[12:34] <vbgunz> topyli: thats what I am thinking might have happened
[12:35] <mylastmorning> ok mahangu
[12:35] <vbgunz> Severian: I'll try that
[12:35] <mylastmorning> anyone know how to install the java runtime?
[12:35] <Severian> Then I bzip2 it.  You can do them both at the same time, but I like two steps.
[12:35] <mahangu> mylastmorning, ill let you know how it goes :)
[12:35] <mylastmorning> ok mahangu
[12:35] <Hendric> !restricted
[12:35] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:36] <mylastmorning> does anyone have the java runtime installed and working?
[12:36] <vbgunz> OH, its packaging up my .Trash... *but* I emptied it...
[12:37] <topyli> vbgunz: that should be just fine. you do want .Trash in your backup so that it will be created after armageddon when you recover your $home
[12:38] <vbgunz> topyli: I have 2G of stuff in there I cannot delete :(
[12:38] <vbgunz> topyli: I have no idea why I can't delete that stuff... I am emtpying the trash but it's still got stuff in it, what the heck is that :P
[12:38] <topyli> vbgunz: sudo rm -rf /home/vbgunz/.Trash/*
[12:39] <vbgunz> topyli: what is rm ?
[12:39] <topyli> remove
[12:39] <Severian> mylastmorning, I have the java run time installed.  I think I just ran the .bin from Sun, but I don't remember for sure.  I was following the steps from a page at ubuntuforums
[12:39] <vbgunz> rm --help
[12:40] <vbgunz> topyli: recursive force removal ;)
[12:40] <topyli> vbgunz: yes, very dangerous stuff
[12:40] <vbgunz> topyli: thank you, may I ask why I cannot simply delete that stuff from simlpy *emptying* the trash can?
[12:40] <Severian> vbgunz, that happens to me when the stuff in the trash is not owned by the same user trying to delete it.
[12:40] <topyli> vbgunz: somehow you got stuff in there owned by root or someone else
[12:41] <mylastmorning> Severian can you give me a link 2 the forums
[12:41] <vbgunz> ahh, but if I didn't own it to begin with how in the world did it get into my trash can ;) (catch-22)?
[12:41] <Severian> mylastmorning.  Just a moment.  I'll look.
[12:42] <bigfoot1> to anyone: I followed the how-to on http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/howto.php. I ran "sudo synce-serial-start"and got an error message: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2791. Can someone help me? I'm almost done with this task of setting up my pocket pc. Thank you
[12:42] <brownie17> will upgrading my kernel to the "686" model rather than the "386" actually speed it up or make it more reliable?
[12:42] <topyli> vbgunz: happens for example when i'm building packages, and root creates some files. then, i move the source dir to trash, but i can't delete it permanently (ie. empty the trash)
[12:42] <nrbq> howdy
[12:42] <brownie17> what is the difference between a normal laptop and a satellite laptop?
[12:42] <vbgunz> hehe, thanks for that rm trick topyli, may I ask... is that command sort of like the final deletion method? I mean if I rm'ed a file... it would't got to the trash can but instead simply disappear all together correct?
[12:42] <Jedrick> how to mount to windows?
[12:42] <nrbq> Can anyone recommend a good jabber client (not GAIM) that I can get via apt-get?
[12:42] <topyli> vbgunz: gone forever
[12:42] <Severian> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[12:42] <nrbq> gajim fails
[12:43] <poningru_study> nrbq: gossip
[12:43] <brownie17> Jedrick, if you are asking how to mount a windows partition on boot, there is a script call winmac_fstab
[12:43] <litage> syslog is set to write to a pipe. since syslog starts very early on, nothing is reading from the pipe yet. later on, mysql starts reading from the pipe, but by that time, it seems as though syslog isn't bothering to write to the pipe anymore. any ideas on how to solve this?
[12:43] <topyli> nrbq: gossip
[12:43] <Severian> mylastmorning.  That page walks you through installing flash or java.
[12:43] <vbgunz> oh ok, gotcha topyli, may I ask just one more simple question I hope? What is the command to simply delete a file... send it to the trash can? Is it mv?
[12:43] <nrbq> poningru_study: thanks, I'll try that!
[12:43] <poningru_study> brownie17: first question: both
[12:43] <Hendric> If i installed w32codecs.. can totem play mp3 and etc.. already??
[12:43] <poningru_study> Hendric: yes
[12:43] <basvg> hmm, it seems that ttmkfdir is pretty much borked. it gives segfaults all the time
[12:43] <topyli> vbgunz: yes, mv foo .Trash
[12:43] <Hendric> cool1
[12:43] <Severian> Hendric, not from w32codecs
[12:44] <poningru_study> Hendric: sure it does
[12:44] <poningru_study> err Severian
[12:44] <poningru_study> no?
[12:44] <poningru_study> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[12:44] <vbgunz> oh so it isn't foo ~/.Trash just foo .Trash (capital T)...
[12:44] <Hendric> Severian, how can i make it play mp3s or DVDs?? i can't play even mpg
[12:44] <brownie17> poningru_study, thaks
[12:45] <Random_Sindrom> any fine lin web editor?
[12:45] <Severian> w32codecs lets mplayer and probably xine do things like quicktime and wma files.  There is anothe package for mp3  Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <topyli> vbgunz: if you only use .Trash, you better be in the same dir as .Trash. otherwise foo will simply be renamed :)
[12:45] <Severian> Hendric, by DVDs, do you mean encrypted ones?
[12:45] <poningru_study> Severian: that site says mp3 is in w32codecs
[12:46] <vbgunz> ok, thats enough, thank you topyli, I just been curious about deleting stuff from the cli *but* didn't find it anywhere... funny this happens
[12:46] <poningru_study> vbgunz: rm foo
[12:46] <poningru_study> it removes without moving it to trash
[12:46] <Severian> I installs the mad3 package to get mp3.  Maybe I did not need it.  So, try it tith just w32codecs and see what happens.
[12:46] <Hendric> Severian, any DVDs
[12:46] <Jedrick> how to mount to windows?
[12:47] <vbgunz> so mv to move to /home/vbgunz/.Trash and sudo rm /home/vbgunz/.Trash/* to recursively forcefully remove all .Trash contents... Thats powerful, thank you!
[12:47] <poningru_study> Hendric: it should work out of the box if its a data cd
[12:47] <poningru_study> Hendric: if its a movie or something its probably encrypted using css
[12:47] <Hendric> its a movie..
[12:47] <Severian> Hendric, google is your friend here.  I think it is against the law for me to decribe decss and so I won't do that..
[12:47] <poningru_study> Hendric: you have to follow the dvd section in that page
[12:47] <Hendric> pirated dvds here in asia is like open source.. lol
[12:47] <vbgunz> poningru_study: thank you for rm foo, topyli, pretty much pointed that out :)
[12:48] <larsrohdin> I'm trying to install Battlefield 2 with cedega, it seems to work, but it says "You need administrator rights to install this" I've tried with both sudo, and logged on as root... But nothing works.
[12:48] <lastnode> Hendric: google, im from asia and got all my dvds to work
[12:48] <topyli> Severian: gstreamer0.8-mad? that's only needed by the apps that actually use gstreamer
[12:48] <lastnode> but as severian pointed out, i shouldnt talk about it
[12:48] <Hendric> lastnode, no need.. its not encrypted
[12:48] <sertmann> whoaa, really need some help, what's the command for chowning my homedir? chown -R owner:sertmann * don't work
[12:48] <topyli> vbgunz: ph33r my rm-fu!
[12:48] <Stricklin> Best app to burn mp3s to audio CD?
[12:49] <aftertaf> Stricklin:  ^^^^
[12:49] <vbgunz> topyli: thank you I just did it and worked beautifully... I am really understanding how and why the cli is so frigging cool... man I am frigging loving it
[12:49] <topyli> Stricklin: serpentine i guess, or perhaps gnomebaker
[12:49] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  cli is god :)
[12:49] <lllmanulll> Stricklin, Serpentine ?
[12:49] <poningru_study> Stricklin: I would say k3b
[12:49] <Severian> Stricklin, that is a matter of taste.  I like k3b, but as it is a KDE app, some here will disagree.
[12:50] <sertmann> can anyone hear me this ircii is sorta dodgy?
[12:50] <poningru_study> sertmann: what did you want?
[12:50] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  been to linuxcommands.org?
[12:50] <poningru_study> change owner?
[12:50] <Stricklin> wow, definitely varied opinions