[04:45] <pitti> Good morning
[06:32] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:33]  * didrocks has been fighting for 15 minutes to get some wifi, grrr network-manager
[06:54] <larsu> good morning!
[06:55] <larsu> didrocks: hi! I'm having nm problems as well. Need to reboot constantly
[06:56] <didrocks> larsu: once I'm connected, I'm fine here, it's just to connect…
[06:56] <didrocks> hey larsu ;)
[06:58] <larsu> didrocks: ya me as well
[06:58] <larsu> but sometimes it doesn't reconnect after suspend
[06:58] <didrocks> yep, or after a new boot
[06:58] <didrocks> then, sometimes stopping the service and restarting works
[06:58] <didrocks> but some other times, you really need to reboot
[06:58]  * didrocks has this for 6 months
[06:59] <pitti> hey didrocks, hey larsu!
[07:00] <larsu> morning pitti!
[07:00] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[07:00] <pitti> comment allez-vous ?
[07:01] <didrocks> pitti: ça va très bien, et toi ? pas de mal de tête après ton cours de français ?
[07:02] <pitti> didrocks: en effet j'ai quelques maux de tête :-( -- alors, ce déjè commence avant la course, hier midi
[07:02] <didrocks> aïe :/
[07:02] <pitti> je ne me sense pas comme une rhume, c'est étrange
[07:03] <didrocks> pitti: peut-être de la fatigue générale ? pas assez dormi, etc.
[07:03] <pitti> didrocks: ce sont les premières nuits froide, peut-être c'est ça
[07:04] <pitti> effectivement j'ai eu beaucoup de repos
[07:16] <tjaalton> didrocks: guess I have a fix for your crasher
[07:17] <didrocks> tjaalton: \o/
[07:17] <tjaalton> will push it soon
[07:17] <tjaalton> it was caused by the update of x11proto-core
[07:17] <didrocks> tjaalton: tell me if you want to have it a try on a ppa, I still can't really trigger it reliably, but I have 2-3 crashes a day
[07:17] <tjaalton> which was meant for xserver 1.18
[07:17] <didrocks> oh
[07:17] <didrocks> interesting
[07:17] <tjaalton> I'll push it anyway, it's safe.. oneliner
[07:18] <didrocks> what can go wrong in one line, right? :p
[07:18] <didrocks> ok, keep me posted ;)
[07:18] <tjaalton> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=117200
[07:18]  * didrocks looks
[07:18] <didrocks> ah, all that pain for a non nullified variable
[07:18] <tjaalton> that's the patch, upstream got a different one in 1.18 but this might still land in 1.17.x
[07:19]  * didrocks likes when the rationale is 30 times longer than the fix :)
[07:22] <tjaalton> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91316 is the bug
[07:24] <didrocks> tjaalton: ah, I get now your comment here about latest xproto
[07:52] <willcooke> morning all
[07:53] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:54] <larsu> morning willcooke
[07:55] <tjaalton> didrocks: xserver uploaded, should arrive soon
[07:56] <didrocks> tjaalton: excellent! will keep you posted
[08:01] <Laney> hi hi
[08:03] <larsu> Laney! What up?
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hey!
[08:05] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:05] <larsu> good good :)
[08:05] <didrocks> good ;)
[08:07] <Laney> GREAT!
[08:08] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:08] <larsu> wow :)
[08:09] <Laney> it's a pitti
[08:09] <didrocks> Laney: no, "c'est un pitti" ;)
[08:09] <pitti> oui !
[08:09] <pitti> il faut parler français ici
[08:10] <didrocks> exactement !
[08:10] <Laney> kungcono pitti
[08:11] <pitti> didrocks: et tu dois défendre seb128 aussi, pendant il est en vacances !
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: Zulu?
[08:11] <Laney> or at least google's version of Zulu :P
[08:11] <didrocks> pitti: un français en vaut bien deux, non ? :)
[08:12]  * pitti donne didrocks une accolade
[08:12]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[08:14]  * larsu wonders how French survived in this channel now that seb128's not here
[08:15] <didrocks> larsu: don't challenge me in summoning the french community to invade this channel :p
[08:15]  * larsu shuts up
[08:15] <Laney> larsu: not sure I dare ask... but I have a dbus question...
[08:15] <Laney> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/07/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:45 please to look if you have time
[08:24] <larsu> Laney: the dbus test runner failure?
[08:25] <Laney> ya
[08:25] <pitti> I retried http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/dbus-test-runner/ an hour or so ago, if you mean that
[08:25] <pitti> it succeeded again
[08:25] <pitti> yay flaky tests
[08:25] <Laney> it is a real failure though
[08:25] <pitti> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/dbus-test-runner/wily/ppc64el/ you mean?
[08:25] <Laney> yes
[08:26] <Laney> a real race condition
[08:27] <Laney> although I didn't get it on my desktop with 99999 or so iterations
[08:27] <Laney> the ppc64el porter machine gets it in < 50
[08:34] <larsu> ugh, this looks nasty
[09:01] <Sweet5hark> this reminds me of some project, cant point my finger on which: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/128322627867/its-a-slow-oversized-and-ugly-framework-but-we
[09:01] <Sweet5hark> it is friday yet?
[09:02] <larsu> KDE?
[09:04] <Sweet5hark> larsu: close. ;)
[09:04]  * Sweet5hark hands larsu a cookie.
[09:05]  * larsu chews
[09:11] <Laney> larsu: is it a race in g_bus_watch_name?
[09:12] <Laney> that's what dbus-test-runner uses
[09:13] <larsu> doesn't look like a race to me
[09:13] <Laney> then what?
[09:13] <larsu> well, it's complicated
[09:13] <larsu> I'm trying to reproduce to no avail
[09:13] <Laney> go on the porter machine
[09:13] <larsu> looking at the logs, it seems like the service appears and disappears faster than the method returns
[09:13] <larsu> which is a legit thing to do for dbus-1
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: perhaps it helps to run it in a container which you just give 5% CPU or so?
[09:14] <larsu> hm actually you're right - it's not ok for watch_name() to miss this
[09:14] <larsu> pitti: I've long wanted a dbus proxy for debugging that inserts random timeouts and sometimes throws an error and such
[09:15] <larsu> Laney: my first hunch was that it shouldn't have to look at the signal as well, because who cares about the name if it only exists for such a short time
[09:16] <larsu> but then, bus_watch_name() guarantees to fire when the name appears...
[09:16]  * larsu checks how it is implemented
[09:19] <larsu> Laney: I don't have access to that
[09:23] <Laney> ah, this can be fixed!
[09:26] <larsu> ooh thanks Laney
[09:34] <larsu> I don't understand why dbus-test-runner is using g_bus_watch_name() for this
[09:34] <larsu> it knows for a fact that the name doesn't exist yet (doesn't it??)
[09:34] <didrocks> tjaalton: ok, installed, waiting for next crash to get the server restarted
[09:34] <larsu> and simply waits for it to appear
[09:35] <larsu> btw, gdbus ignores the nameownerchanged signal until getnameowner returns
[09:35] <tjaalton> didrocks: ok
[10:16] <desrt> Laney: you must always watch the signal first, for this reason
[10:16] <desrt> Laney: but gdbus provides for you here -- g_bus_watch_name()
[10:22] <didrocks> and hopefully, that was my last Xorg crash :p
[10:22] <Laney> desrt: it's dbus-test-runner here, which is indeed using that
[10:22] <Laney> but larsu is looking into this now so let's not keep too many brains on it :P
[10:22] <larsu> desrt: morning. You catch me at a bad timing - about to meet dholbach at sahara
[10:23] <larsu> (I'm sure you understand)
[10:23] <desrt> ya.  of course :)
[10:23] <desrt> freaking sahara
[10:23] <Laney> bit gritty for me
[10:23] <larsu> the problem is that g_ubs_watch_name() ignores the signal until GetNameOwner returns
[10:23] <Laney> (HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAOHAOHFOASHFASH)
[10:23] <larsu> Laney: I have half a patch that *might* work
[10:24] <larsu> using the signal directly
[10:24] <larsu> I still think gdbus is wrong here
[10:24] <larsu> desrt: ^^ but lets discuss after lunch
[10:25] <Laney> someone has "taken" the ticket to give you access so hopefully that is done when you get back
[10:45] <qengho> Anyone know of a good visual testing tool? Like, fire up arbitrary GUI program, test that somewhere on the screen looks like _this_?
[10:49] <willcooke> qengho, I've seen Jenkins produce stuff like that
[10:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, do you know how we do that for U7>? ^^
[10:50] <qengho> About once every season Sikuli breaks, and chromium-browser tests use it. Last week, some dependency of Sikuli updated, probably openjdk-8-jdk and now Jython library doesn't parse python programs that don't have final indentation lines at zerotOMGWTFthis has nothing to do with chromium
[10:50] <Trevinho> qengho: we use autopilot for that
[10:50] <Trevinho> ah... well no
[10:50] <Trevinho> you want to check pixel-perfection of things, right?
[10:52] <didrocks> jenkins isn't targeting that use case
[10:52] <didrocks> if you want to do visual comparison, you can use visualdiff
[10:53] <didrocks> (and introduce some "noise" to accept slight changes)
[10:54] <Trevinho> Mh, ma ha levato il post?
[10:54] <Trevinho> err wrong chat :D
[10:55] <qengho> Trevinho: I don't require pixel comparison, but I don't have access to turn things back into utf8 for comparison.
[11:00] <qengho> didrocks: I don't know of "visualdiff". Neither does "apt-cache search".
[11:06] <didrocks> qengho: not sure if it's packaged: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_Diff
[12:10] <larsu> desrt: any ideas?
[12:11] <Laney> larsu: good falafel?
[12:12] <larsu> Laney: yes! Also some boring errands. Had to buy a dust mop, too
[12:14] <Laney> yin and yang
[12:14] <ogra_> planning to do some gtk-1.2 work ?
[12:15]  * larsu runs
[12:40] <Trevinho> Laney: for landing https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/osd-scrollbars-improvements/+merge/269245 can i join your silo 031 or is it too late?
[12:41] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, tkamppeter - just been to the post office.  You should have presents in the next week
[12:41] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: \o/ awesome.
[12:42] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: By presents he means some empty raspberry pi boxes don't think he sent on the boards ;)
[12:43] <Laney> Trevinho: late, just put it in your unity one or something
[12:43] <willcooke> sush, davmor2 :)
[12:43] <Trevinho> Laney: that's what I was going to do... Should I use some other option in order to make this depend on that or... the train is smart enough to handle it?
[12:43] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: you mean the board will have had "accidents" on the way?
[12:44] <Laney> Trevinho: it's already in
[12:44] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: don't they always ?
[12:44] <Laney> ag, boottest
[12:44]  * Laney stabs that
[12:44] <Laney> Trevinho: I'll just make it merge that one to trunk
[12:44] <Laney> then you should be ok
[12:45] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, ok... I thought it was still moving to trunk...
[12:45] <Laney> yeah but you can override that
[12:57] <ricotz> willcooke, oh, Pi2 ;P
[13:15] <tedg> Laney: Did you get anywhere with the dbustestrunner PPC64 failure?
[13:15] <Laney> larsu is on the case
[13:16] <tedg> Woot!  LibreOffice 5.0 FFE is greenlighted from ubuntu-release, do you think you might review/sponsor the package for wily?
[13:31]  * larsu goes and makes some tea
[13:46] <cyphermox> Sweet5hark: where is it?
[13:48] <Sweet5hark> cyphermox: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.1/libreoffice_5.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/5.0.1/libreoffice-l10n_5.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes -- ./debian changes/DCVS at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git/log/?h=ubuntu-wily-5.0
[13:49] <Sweet5hark> cyphermox: nlpsolver and writer2latex should be updated along with that: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/nlpsolver_0.9~beta1-10ubuntu2_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/wily/writer2latex_1.0.2-10ubuntu2_source.changes
[13:50] <Sweet5hark> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1491964 has more links, including buildlog etc.
[13:53] <cyphermox> ok
[13:54] <cyphermox> Sweet5hark: looks rather big so I'll first finish other things and then review it this PM
[13:56] <Sweet5hark> cyphermox: great, having feedback/uploading it on wednesday would be awesome: as you say its rather large and has many deps, so having it finished building before the weekend would be great.
[13:57] <cyphermox> ok
[14:00] <Sweet5hark> cyphermox: thanks a lot!
[14:40] <larsu> desrt: hi. did you see Laney's paste?
[14:40] <desrt> yes.  let me see it again.
[14:40] <Laney> it is a good paste
[14:40] <larsu> I managed to work around this issue by connecting to NameOwnerChanged() directly
[14:41] <larsu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12308415/
[14:41] <larsu> desrt: the problem is that g_bus_watch_name() ignores that signal until GetNameOwner() returns
[14:41] <larsu> (see the initialized flag in the struct)
[14:41] <desrt> that's correct.
[14:41] <larsu> why?
[14:41] <desrt> i think i advocated that behaviour, in fact
[14:42] <larsu> it's wrong in this case, though
[14:42] <desrt> because it will always give the initial callback based on teh result of GetNameOwner call
[14:42] <desrt> and the GetNameOwner call and reply are handled atomically with respect to bus ordering (since it's the daemon processing it)
[14:42] <larsu> right, that is totally fine
[14:42] <desrt> so the only possibility for something to intercede here is if a name owner change happens before i requested who has the current name
[14:42] <larsu> the problem is that we're missing the name appearing and disappearing
[14:43] <desrt> in which case it's totally uninteresting, since i will get the "correct" answer later anyway
[14:43] <desrt> but before the name owner is requested, you have no right to know
[14:43] <larsu> this change happens *after* though
[14:43] <larsu> and before the call returns
[14:43] <larsu> it's already gone
[14:43] <desrt> not possible
[14:43] <desrt> the request isn't made until dbus sees it
[14:44] <larsu> which request?
[14:44] <desrt> you can't do a watch and then (out of band) fire off some other thing and expect to be guaranteed to see it
[14:44] <desrt> GetNameOwner
[14:44] <desrt> but for that matter, let's talk about the AddMatch
[14:44] <desrt> there is no guarantee that even the AddMatch would make it to the bus before your process owns/disowns the name
[14:44] <desrt> so if you wanted to fix this, you'd made it slightly more reliable, but still not really reliable
[14:45] <larsu> hm, I don't think we're talking about the same thing
[14:45] <desrt> please explain to me what is happening
[14:45] <desrt> because my best guess is that you're trying to use name ownership to figure out if some process has started or not
[14:45] <larsu> yes
[14:45] <larsu> indeed
[14:46] <desrt> and you spawn this process out-of-band of dbus
[14:46] <desrt> like via fork/exec or some other method
[14:46] <larsu> in the worst way possible even: using gdbus-tool to call RequestName
[14:46] <desrt> that's... disturbing
[14:46] <desrt> okay
[14:46] <desrt> here's the real problem
[14:46] <larsu> which is why the name disappears so quickly
[14:46] <desrt> dbus worker thread is what it is, right?
[14:46] <desrt> it can process things after an arbitrary delay
[14:47] <desrt> so if i queue up some AddMatch and GetNameOwner... there is no guarantee that those will be delivered "soon"
[14:47] <desrt> so it could be that gdbus-tool runs before even AddMatch gets seen by the bus
[14:47] <desrt> in which case i will be completely and totally in the dark
[14:47] <larsu> ya
[14:47] <desrt> i won't even have a chance to ignore the signal -- i won't ever even see it
[14:47] <larsu> but this is not what is happening here
[14:47] <desrt> so you can't fix what you're trying to fix here
[14:47] <larsu> we *do* get both signals
[14:47] <desrt> i know
[14:47] <desrt> but you might not
[14:48] <desrt> you only happen to get it because AddMatch made it in time, but not the reply for GetNameOwner
[14:48] <larsu> right
[14:48] <desrt> i'm saying that it could be just as easily the case that AddMatch itself failed to make it
[14:48] <larsu> indeed
[14:48] <desrt> so, in general, you can't do what you're doing any expect it to work, regardless of gdbus
[14:48] <larsu> so we don't fix that other bug becuase this might happen anyway?
[14:48] <desrt> it's not a bug
[14:48] <larsu> desrt: s/what you're doing/what dbus-test-runner is doing/
[14:49] <desrt> so dbus-test-runner has the bug.  fix it there.
[14:49] <larsu> I fixed it by listening to the signal
[14:49] <desrt> not a good enough fix, unless your signal match is synchronous
[14:49] <larsu> haven't tested how well that works, but by your logic the same bug applies
[14:49] <larsu> but then g_bus_watch_name() has really weird semantics....
[14:50] <larsu> "I'll start watching that name some point in the future"
[14:50] <desrt> you have to understand that all of these things are made for an async event-driven world
[14:50] <desrt> where the first answer need not be correct as long as the eventual result is
[14:50] <desrt> it's like how GMenuModel will lie to you at first
[14:51] <desrt> and in this case, even, the first answer _is_ correct
[14:51] <desrt> ...at the time it is given
[14:51] <larsu> there's no answer at all...
[14:51] <larsu> true
[14:51] <desrt> well, it will tell you either "vanished" or "appeared" one way or the other
[14:51] <larsu> no
[14:51] <larsu> it never gives you vanished
[14:51] <larsu> if it's never been there
[14:51] <desrt> it ought to
[14:51] <larsu> ?
[14:52] <larsu> I wouldn't expect it to
[14:52] <desrt> i would...
[14:52] <desrt> You are guaranteed that one of the handlers will be invoked after calling this function. When you are done watching the name, just call g_bus_unwatch_name() with the watcher id this function returns.
[14:52] <larsu> oh indeed it does according to docs
[14:52] <larsu> weird
[14:52] <larsu> in any case using name watching for this is wrong
[14:52] <desrt> no kidding
[14:53] <larsu> as is using gdbus-tool
[14:53] <larsu> what do you suggest? Listen to the signal and write a thing that owns the name for a bit longer?
[14:53] <desrt> using gdbus-tool to grab a name as a way to alert [something] of [something] is a very ... creative idea
[14:53] <desrt> but not a good one
[14:53] <desrt> why not just listen to a normal signal and have gdbus tool send that signal?
[14:53] <desrt> or register an object and have it call a method on that object
[14:54] <desrt> that's even better
[14:54] <larsu> because this is a test for the --wait-for parameter
[14:54] <desrt> ahh.  i see.
[14:54] <larsu> which waits for a name before doing something
[14:54] <desrt> so ping the bus
[14:54] <desrt> actually, even better, just wait for the vanished call
[14:54] <larsu> that might happen immediately
[14:54] <desrt> which is an indication that watching has been successfully established, and the thing doesn't exist
[14:55] <larsu> ah
[14:55] <larsu> indeed
[14:55] <desrt> and then it's safe to launch the thing in a way that you will be guaranteed to see the result
[14:55] <larsu> we might still miss it, no?
[14:55] <desrt> pretty sure it's safe by this point
[14:55] <larsu> ah that's what you mean...
[14:55] <desrt> you don't get vanished until GetNameOwner returns
[14:55] <desrt> and this is after the watch
[14:55] <larsu> indeed
[14:55] <desrt> so if this doesn't work, it would almost have to be a bug...
[14:56] <larsu> we'd still miss this specific thing
[14:56] <larsu> oh wait, no
[14:56] <larsu> sorry
[14:56] <desrt> :)
[14:56] <larsu> desrt: I'll try that instead of listening to NameOwnerChanged. Thanks for your help
[15:05] <desrt> willcooke: might be hard for me to make it to the sprint on time :(
[15:06] <willcooke> desrt, no worries
[15:07] <larsu> desrt: red-eye flight!
[15:07] <desrt> larsu: i was thinking the opposite, in fact
[15:07] <larsu> on Monday?
[15:07] <desrt> willcooke: btw: would not mind london again, if this turns out to be the easiest option
[15:07] <desrt> the earliest i could leave it early monday... and there is a non-redeye flight to london on this day, i think
[15:08] <Trevinho> larsu: so... I'm testing the silo with new scrollbars, but it seems that there's something wrong with terminal. Also I can't find a way to run the inspector on it...
[15:08] <Trevinho> any tip?
[15:08] <larsu> Trevinho: terminal is weird because it doesn't use a GtkScrolledWindow
[15:09] <larsu> Trevinho: actually I *think* rishi worked on this in the 3.18 cycle
[15:09] <larsu> Trevinho: set GTK_DEBUG=interactive to always open the inspector
[15:09] <larsu> you need to do that on the server command though
[15:09] <Trevinho> larsu: it doesn't work in terminal... Also using the server
[15:10] <Trevinho> as the server only shows infos about the server itself, but not about the window it creates
[15:11] <larsu> even when you use the widget picker?
[15:11] <Trevinho> yep
[15:11] <Trevinho> larsu: if I change the theme (for example), from visual It doesn't apply to that window even
[15:11] <larsu> weird
[15:12] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah.. can you?
[15:12] <larsu> there's a compile time option to add a Help/Inspector menu item
[15:12] <larsu> let me check
[15:13] <larsu> ya same problem
[15:14] <larsu> also getting warnings about TerminalWindow not being on the correct screen
[15:14] <Laney> i think you have to build with --enable-debug then use a menu item
[15:14] <Trevinho> mh, i see
[15:15]  * larsu wonders why
[15:30] <Laney> MEETING TIME DING DING DING
[15:30] <willcooke> Woo
[15:30] <didrocks> DONG DONG DONG
[15:30] <andyrock> \o/
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-08
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  8 15:30:28 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko (hols), laney, larsu, qengho (out), seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> .
[15:30] <happyaron> .
[15:31]  * happyaron please call me a bit later in the queue, writing atm
[15:31] <larsu> \o
[15:31] <attente> hi
[15:31] <dgadomski_> hey
[15:32] <willcooke> happyaron, ack
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's roll...
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> Updated branch lp:~azzar1/unity/gnome_session_manager_more_tests
[15:32] <andyrock> Updated branch lp:~azzar1/unity/sc_dbus_manager_tests
[15:33] <andyrock> Created MP for bug 1491555 using patch from external contributor
[15:33] <andyrock> Created MP for bug 1491913 using patch from external contributor
[15:33] <andyrock> Keep working on screen resize bug on compiz (damn you compiz!)
[15:33] <andyrock> basically that was my week
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> investigated and wrote out a list of requirements we need in Mir to support hardware keyboard layouts
[15:34] <attente> refresh non-gnome-unity-ibus-support branch for u-c-c, thanks Laney!
[15:34] <attente> more work on proper popup menu placement in gtk-mir continued...
[15:34] <attente> todo: fix gtk apps not working on Ubuntu Touch devices due to not supporting the available pixel formats Mir can provide
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> let's come back to desrt
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski_
[15:38] <dgadomski_> hey, I was informed that libosmesa6 from lts-mesa-{utopic,vivid}. Looks like it was removed because of bug #1424059. Luckily tjaalton is going to take a look at it.
[15:38] <dgadomski_> That's all in the desktop area this week. Thanks!
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks a lot dgadomski_
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:38] <didrocks> hey
[15:38] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:38] <didrocks> - Released 15.09 which contains notably the Unity 3D support. Wrote blog post + social media
[15:38] <didrocks> - More reviews and merged android sdk support + exit code cleanups from 2 contributors (one being new \o/)
[15:38] <didrocks> - Fix some pep8 issues on trusty only for CI tests and other small tests broken by above.
[15:38] <didrocks> - Bug management
[15:38] <didrocks> Developer experience:
[15:38] <didrocks> - Add transitions and episod on it for test app
[15:38] <didrocks> - various warnings and code cleanups on test app + opened last bugs
[15:38] <didrocks> - installed snappy on my machine and a raspberry pi 2 to evaluate Go developer experience (+ running first examples)
[15:38] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:38] <didrocks> - reviewed unity3d upstream deb about "bad packaging" complains: the issue is mostly warnings about /opt "bad quality" for sotfware center due to this path. Nothing we can fix as this is the best practice for such out of repo components.
[15:39] <didrocks> - doing some small snappy patch
[15:39] <didrocks> - patch pilot and some archive admin duties
[15:39] <didrocks> .
[15:39] <didrocks> (and thanks tjaalton! no xorg crash for 5h now! ;)
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:39] <larsu> didrocks: new record?
[15:39] <willcooke> and thanks tjaalton
[15:39] <didrocks> larsu: yep :p
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <willcooke> update code of pinyin search
[15:39] <willcooke> * support advance search feature
[15:39] <willcooke> * make scaning more faster
[15:39] <willcooke> * support run as daemon
[15:39] <willcooke> * remove duplicate result of searching
[15:39] <willcooke> attend CCN meeting at Changsha, show demo of pinyin searching
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:39] <willcooke> err
[15:40] <willcooke> I meant laney, but larsu - you go
[15:40] <larsu> sure
[15:40] <willcooke> keep Laney on his toes
[15:40] <Laney> this is like final destination
[15:40]  * Laney has cheated his turn
[15:40] <larsu> - finish up notify-osd work (long standing blurry-on-hidpi bug)
[15:40] <larsu> - finish up Laney's indicator-datetime test fixes (sorry again for putting you through this) and cleaned up those tests whlie I was at it (some weren't even running...)
[15:40] <larsu> - sift through timezonemap bugs and start working on disabling geonames.ubuntu.com for now due to bugs in returning cities for partial names
[15:40] <larsu> - help out with dbus-test-runner test issues on ppc

[15:40] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:40] <Laney> can you get someone to review datetime?
[15:41] <larsu> Laney: you do it!
[15:41] <Laney> not sure about that :(
[15:41] <willcooke> larsu, do you think the OSB changes are doable for Thursday?
[15:41] <larsu> willcooke: I think we should merge as is
[15:42] <larsu> unless someone objects
[15:42] <larsu> ok time for objections is over. Glad you all like them so much!
[15:42] <willcooke> larsu, wfm
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42]  * larsu grins
[15:42] <Laney> • Things what Lars did for me which are about dbus
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ I looked more at i-datetime but my fix was bad so larsu took over
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ I noticed that dbus-test-runner was failing a test on ppc64el and larsu is working on a fix
[15:42] <Laney> • Tried to find out about beta testing the font, not really with much success but at least there's a sort of working source package now.
[15:42] <Laney> • Packaged gstreamer 1.6 RC
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ -bad failed to build on armhf, test build is in the works now
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ had to fix libav to build, uploaded to Debian, synced
[15:42] <Laney> • Uploaded a new gtk (3.14.15) to a silo for the overlay ppa which Mir people want
[15:42] <Laney> • Updated file-roller, glib, e-d-s, evo, dbus (+ Debian as appropriate)
[15:42] <Laney> • Smooth some autopkgtests so things can migrate
[15:42] <Laney> • Got some training/instruction on the armhf/ppc64el autopkgtest infrastructure - can do light admin there now
[15:43] <Laney> • Some release team stuff like FFe reviews
[15:43] <Laney> • Uploaded a few things through the train (u-c-c, ubuntu-themes)
[15:43] <Laney> • Patch piloted
[15:43] <Laney> • Helped upload things to move from libav (back) to ffmpeg
[15:43] <Laney> ⁂
[15:43] <larsu> Laney: s/my fix/tiny part of my fix/ - thanks for your work on that!
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <willcooke> - releasing chromium 45.0.2454.85 with GPU rendering re-enabled.
[15:44] <willcooke> - Cr test failures. Not Cr, not Sikuli. Jython grammar bug exposed by openjdk-8-jdk update?
[15:44] <willcooke> - A little more Cr/ozone/mir.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> not too much:
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - testbuilds of 5.0.x on wily armhf/powepc -- all good
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - FFE LibreOffice 5.0 for wily
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - finding a sponsor for it (thanks cyphermox)
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - nlpsolver and writer2latex build fixes for LibreOffice 5.0
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - conference preperation: slides and foo
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - addding a staging area for unstable tests upstream ("make -k stagingcheck")
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - bugzilla grinding
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:44] <Laney> qengho: you might profit from giving sikuli an autopkgtest
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:45] <willcooke> * More work on Orca's gsettings backend which when implemented, will help the accessibility profile implementation.
[15:45] <willcooke> * Discovered that Unity in Wily has a regression with accessibility with the launcher and quicklists. Quicklists are not speaking with Orca, and once opened, the launcher itself goes silent. I started debugging, will report when I have more.
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:45] <willcooke> Off sick so only two days to catch up on email and look at XMir issues.  Meeting at Changsha with NUDT
[15:47] <happyaron> 2. Packaging of pinyin search, written by fjkong
[15:47] <happyaron> EOF
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:49] <willcooke> hrm
[15:49] <willcooke> he ded
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[15:50] <willcooke> Sprint is go.  See email for more details.
[15:50] <Laney> prague plz
[15:50]  * larsu seconds prague
[15:50] <Trevinho> willcooke: you forgot me? :)
[15:50] <Laney> hahaha
[15:50] <willcooke> and till
[15:50]  * happyaron really hopes Toronto, but no go...
[15:50]  * didrocks +1 prague as well
[15:50]  * larsu hugs Trevinho
[15:50]  * Laney shuts the door on Trevinho's cage
[15:50] <Trevinho> :°(
[15:50] <willcooke> Trevinho:  Went to China.  EOF
[15:50] <larsu> Laney: let me out first!
[15:51]  * Trevinho is ready to paste :P
[15:51]  * larsu was still hugging
[15:51] <willcooke> Trevinho, two secs...
[15:51] <willcooke> any more votes for sprint locations?
[15:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: I can be more verbose (but that is just rigth) :D
[15:51] <larsu> willcooke: 10 more for prague
[15:51] <didrocks> we did budapest twice, prague one, we need to be even! :)
 prague
[15:51] <Trevinho> willcooke: well prague never saw it, so i'd go there
[15:51] <Trevinho> :D
[15:51] <larsu> willcooke: not sure that's how voting works
[15:51]  * happyaron send everyone to China
[15:51] <didrocks> I'm sure seb would +1 prague as well :p
 prague
[15:51]  * Laney coughs
[15:51] <Trevinho> but I love Budapest as well...
[15:51] <didrocks> ahah
[15:52] <happyaron> Laney: lol
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> prague  <3
[15:52] <Trevinho> lol
[15:52] <Trevinho> So... Prague will be! (?)
[15:52] <attente> abstain
[15:52]  * larsu believes it when he sees it
[15:52] <Laney> like the existence of toronto
[15:52] <willcooke> oki good
[15:52] <larsu> attente: THINK OF THE BEER
[15:52] <larsu> wait, budapest is equally good for that
[15:52] <attente> larsu: alcohol is ruining my life :P
[15:53] <larsu> attente: maybe we should do it in disneyland, then?
[15:53] <willcooke> let's loop back to Trevinho quick...
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:53] <Trevinho> budapest is awesome for everything... But well, not that Prague is bad :)
[15:53] <Laney> haha yes, get this meeting back in order
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Not full week because of travel
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Back from China, got some involvement in unity7 from Kylin guys (longer report soon)
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Setup a new meeting (every two weeks) in #ubuntukylin-devel for syncing
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Prepared a document with some development hints for unity7 (raw version http://is.gd/6nrYBA)
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Initial review of the unity scope pinyin search
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Prepared new landing for unity7 and compiz branches
[15:53] <Trevinho> * Testing new landing, new scrollbars needs some fixes (terminal)
[15:54] <Trevinho> ***
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:54] <Laney> I think you need more than theme fixes for the terminal
[15:54] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:54] <Laney> see also webkit (e.g. devhelp)
[15:54] <larsu> Trevinho, Laney: I think rishi fixed the terminal scrollar problems. Is it too late to take .18?
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.0.75 with a crasher fix in texttopdf
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - cups: Packaged 2.1.0 final release
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: investigations on a bug
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:54] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah I think so.. But maybe not... At least it seems it works a little better
[15:54] <Laney> yes
[15:54] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:54] <Trevinho> Laney: come on.. :P
[15:55] <Trevinho> Mh, wherever we go (prague or budapest), I've no direct flights from florence :°(
[15:55] <larsu> I'm glad meetingology repeats the topic all the time. I constantly forget where the home of the desktop team is
[15:55] <larsu> Trevinho: florence has an airport? :P
[15:55]  * Trevinho hits at his darts target with local politicians faces
[15:56] <larsu> haha
[15:56] <didrocks> no direct for me to budapest, so 1h40 vs 4h30 in average :/
[15:56] <didrocks> on*
[15:56] <Laney> get the train
[15:56] <larsu> not even with shitty airlines?
[15:56] <larsu> there's easyjet to both from berlin
[15:56] <didrocks> larsu: 4h30 is with shitty airlines
[15:56] <willcooke> ok, gonna wrap the meeting, we can continue discussions though.
[15:56] <larsu> ah, got it
[15:56] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep  8 15:56:56 2015 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-08-15.30.moin.txt
[15:56] <willcooke> Thanks all
[15:57] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:57] <Trevinho> larsu: mh, well... if you want to call it so. The landing is like going in roller coaster, due to very short strip
[15:57] <larsu> :)
[15:57] <Trevinho> flights lands with brakes on... I broke my tablet because of that
[15:58] <willcooke> BTW - really good Hangout on Air with the Mycroft CTO
[15:58] <larsu> seriously? That's some mad stuff
[15:58] <larsu> willcooke: with dholbach?
[15:58] <willcooke> larsu, yeah
[15:58] <larsu> ya he said something about that
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> prague is 6:30 even with train for me (changing once in berlin)
[16:00] <larsu> I might take the train as well
[16:00] <larsu> it's a beautiful ride
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> larsu: yeah. and in october chances are its neither too hot or too cold for deutsche bahn.
[16:04] <larsu> hehe
[18:34] <willcooke> g'night
[18:36] <gQuigs> isn't Ubuntu  Make the reboot of Ubuntu Quickly?  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make  | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly)
[18:36] <gQuigs> time to retire Quickly/
[18:38] <jcastro> no
[18:38] <jcastro> quickly was a quick way to write apps
[18:39] <jcastro> umake is a way to grab IDEs and development packages directly from upstream
[18:42] <gQuigs> jcastro: so quickly is still something we should recommend to developers?
[18:43] <jcastro> I'm not sure what the status of quickly is
[18:44] <gQuigs> hmm.. maybe it's more like the Ubuntu SDK replaced Quickly
[18:48] <gQuigs> yea, last trunk commit was 2012-11-01, will email desktop team to see if there is anything I'm missing
[22:21] <larsu> Laney: morning. Do you have a bug about that test failure? Turns out it is a small fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/dbus-test-runner/fix-test-race
[22:21] <larsu> I'll merge propose this in the morning


[05:38] <MooDoo_> morning all
[05:48] <shauno> morning
[06:19] <mapps> morning guys
[06:21] <Myrtti> moin
[06:22] <MooDoo> howdy shauno mapps Myrtti
[06:24] <mapps> sup :D
[07:43]  * foobarry waves from the openstack event
[07:44] <MooDoo> foobarry: hello
[07:49]  * foobarry notices a lesser spotted shuttleworth
[07:50] <diplo> Morning all
[07:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:53] <dwatkins> ahoy
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[07:58] <MooDoo> foobarry: well tell him to post about jono leaving :p
[08:01] <JamesTai1> Good morning all; happy Hug Your Cat Day! :-D
[08:01] <brobostigon> happy hug brobostigon day.
[08:09] <bashrc> morning
[08:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:04] <popey> morning
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning popey bashrc SuperMatt
[09:05] <SuperMatt> sup!
[09:07] <bashrc> morning moodoo
[09:57] <diplo> Can anyone recommend what SD card to buy for a Rasp PI ?
[09:58] <diplo> Want to run OpenElec/RaspBMC
[09:58] <dwatkins> diplo: I have several of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001W1BSM0/
[09:59] <dwatkins> they seem to work fine with the RPi
[10:07] <foobarry> nice demo of the ubuntu orange box
[10:19] <popey> foobarry: many people there?
[10:21] <foobarry> yep
[10:21] <foobarry> all seats seem taken
[10:21] <diplo> dwatkins, thanks - Sorry phone went... can't do multi tasking
[10:21] <diplo> :P
[10:22] <diplo> Class 4 ? This is where I wasn't sure.. aren't Class 10 recommended ?
[10:23] <dwatkins> diplo: I honestly don't know if the class makes enough of a difference
[10:23] <dwatkins> Perhaps it depends what you're using the box for, playing back video from the SD card at high bitrate might be better with a class 10, but I've not tested its throughput yet.
[10:24] <diplo> It's only going to be used for video/music
[10:25] <diplo> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[10:26] <dwatkins> ah yes, I think that was where I found out to use these specific cards, diplo
[10:26] <diplo> Well if you're using them I'll give it a go :)
[10:26] <diplo> thank you
[10:27] <dwatkins> I've only had one SD card fail on me, and it was ancient.
[10:29] <diplo> Do you use a wifi adaptor on yours ?
[10:31] <diplo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00EZOQFHO/ref=pd_luc_sbs_02_02_t_lh?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[10:31] <diplo> Thinking of getting one of these
[10:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9swkx17d39iyqhc/IMG_20140604_113138.jpg
[10:32] <daftykins> crikey that was quick
[10:35]  * diplo would love an ssd
[10:35] <diplo> No money :/
[10:38] <daftykins> £133 delivered
[10:43] <diplo> Be nice to have £133 :)
[10:43] <dwatkins> It's a bit surreal opening a random youtube video and seeing that popey commented on it a year ago. I guess this is Google+ showing comments from people in my circles first.
[10:43] <popey> yes
[10:43] <popey> exactly that
[10:44] <popey> which video?
[10:44] <dwatkins> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg&index=12&list=RDWGooQ8yYC0c
[10:45] <popey> heh, classic
[10:46]  * dwatkins watches Daft Hands - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger next
[10:48]  * daftykins makes dwatkins do some work
[10:49] <dwatkins> daftykins: I'm working - these videos are motivating me :)
[10:49] <daftykins> haha
[10:49] <dwatkins> It's a hard life making training presentations with no music #FirstWorldProblems
[10:50] <daftykins> why no music?
[10:50] <dwatkins> I hadn't started watching youtube videos an hour ago ;)
[11:45] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:46] <popey> yo
[11:50] <funkyHat> c⢁
[11:51] <bigcalm> Sup?
[12:24] <Armag3dd0n24> sup :D
[12:53] <foobarry> "skynet probably runs openstack"
[14:12] <mapp> argh
[14:12] <mapp> tennis is so annoying
[14:15]  * diddledan_ looks to the left
[14:15]  * diddledan_ looks to the right
[14:15]  * diddledan_ looks to the left
[14:15]  * diddledan_ looks to the right
[14:16] <diddledan_> hmm, where'd the ball go?
[14:17] <mapp> :D
[14:19] <bigcalm> .
[14:19] <mapp> going through my drawers , ubuntu 8.10 cd
[14:19] <mapp> :D
[14:20] <diddledan_> I've still got 6.06 knocking about somewhere
[14:20] <mapp> loadsa old payslips from 2012 / old packs of cigarettes and old ubuntu cds
[14:21] <mapp> dont know if i need payslips that old
[14:21] <diddledan_> with cigarettes inside?
[14:21] <mapp> no;) just marlboro packets with 1-2 left
[14:21] <diddledan_> I tend to keep financials at least 5 years
[14:21] <mapp> thats a lot
[14:26] <diddledan_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8znuGj_yUY
[14:35] <mapp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMri48N3d30
[14:35] <mapp> ;]
[14:37] <mapp> hmm orange text saying switch to their home broadband and get my 4g up to 10gig a month and they'll pay me upto 100 to get out of old contravt
[14:39] <SuperMatt> mapps: that sounds too good to be true
[14:39] <mapps> yea
[14:40] <mapps> i expect id endup in a mess where im paying both heh
[14:40] <mapps> i never change my adsl/phone provider just because it seems like too much hassle:)
[14:57] <Myrtti> we're just in process of switching from TalkTalk Business ADSL2+ to Zen's FTTC
[14:58] <Myrtti> and back in Finland my sister's modem has once again gone due to a thunder
[15:02] <foobarry> SuperMatt: your rackspace buddies are here in force
[15:05] <bigcalm> Myrtti: surge protector not up to the job?
[15:06] <diddledan_> foobarry, invasion of the rackers?
[15:07] <foobarry> well the managers rather than rackers
[15:10] <mapps> you all work at rackspace?
[15:10] <diddledan_> I don't
[15:11] <foobarry> about 0.5% of this chan does
[15:11] <mapps> o
[15:11] <mapps> i dont
[15:11] <mapps> :D
[15:11] <mapps> do they work with each other?
[15:11] <mapps> no idea how big the company or building is
[15:12] <foobarry> 0.5% = SuperMatt
[15:12] <mapps> oh
[15:12] <mapps> i thought there was someone else too
[15:12] <diddledan_> 111 users so it's actually about 1% :-p
[15:13] <foobarry> thanks sheldon
[15:13] <diddledan_> hehe
[15:13] <mapps> lol
[15:13] <foobarry> there's only about 40 actuve in here too
[15:14] <diddledan_> I wonder if some of them have forgotten they left something connected?
[15:14] <foobarry> or they are all bots
[15:14] <diddledan_> that's a lotta bots
[15:14] <diddledan_> skynet?
[15:14] <foobarry> i've never heard ch0ff33 say anything
[15:15] <SuperMatt> foobarry: we are?
[15:15] <foobarry> yes, lots of people with surname jackson
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I'm confused
[15:17] <foobarry> why confused?
[15:26] <mapps> hm
[15:26] <mapps> some are more active than others in here thats for sure;)
[15:31] <Myrtti> bigcalm: apparently not
[15:37] <bigcalm> :(
[15:38] <mapps> this silicon valley isnt too bad
[15:39] <mapps> on e3 now
[15:44] <diddledan_> e3?
[15:45] <mapps> episode 3
[15:45] <diddledan_> ooh, you're watching the third episode
[15:45] <diddledan_> gotcha
[15:45] <diddledan_> yeah I suck
[15:47] <mapps> heh
[15:53] <diddledan_> I wonder why robocop (2014) is available on itunes but not gooley play-dog
[15:53] <diddledan_> doh*
[17:11] <Guest81876> hello
[17:11] <Guest81876> i want to get my vga driver
[17:12] <Guest81876> i cant find any driver under additional driver i have fresh install of 14.04
[17:16] <Guest81876> helloy guys am seeking help to install my vga driver i have fresh install of 14.04
[17:20] <awilkins> Can you see the display?
[17:21] <awilkins> Presume so since you can see the additional drivers dialog... congratulations, you have installed the driver
[17:21] <awilkins> (it's part of the Kernel on Linux... unless you have an nvidia / AMD card and want the super duper graphics performance, you're done)
[17:27] <Guest81876> i have geforce 620 m and the driver installed is the galluim standard
[17:28] <Guest81876> i want advanced driver for my vga cad
[18:29] <mapps> ah hes gone
[18:31] <foobarry> i wonder if it's one of those laptops with a toggle switch where you choose performance or meh
[18:31] <foobarry> like the vaio
[18:31] <foobarry> only the performance mode uses the nvidia card
[18:35] <daftykins> optimus very rarely are
[18:35] <daftykins> but there are so many different implementations, some do it and some don't
[18:38] <popey> foobarry: how was the openstack thing?
[18:38] <foobarry> popey: excellent
[18:38] <foobarry> feeling inspired to invest time in it
[18:39] <foobarry> most talks were high quality (a couple were a bit lacking),
[18:39] <popey> oh good!
[18:39] <foobarry> shuttleworths was one of the best
[18:39] <popey> he does do good demos
[18:40] <foobarry> i liked how him and kenyon were very accessible for people to chat
[18:40] <foobarry> had a good chat with couple of canonical guys
[18:41] <popey> thats good to hear, i thought you were a bit skeptical about it all ?
[18:41] <foobarry> don't think so. i did think it seemed a bit fluid and immature 2 years ago
[18:42] <foobarry> but i don't think i expressed that opinion lately
[18:42] <foobarry> when i tried it for the folsom release all the docs were out of date and stuff didn't work.
[18:42] <foobarry> will def try the latest stuff, beginning with MAAS/juju
[18:44] <foobarry> have some potential for large use cases over next 12 months
[21:13] <diddledan_> *yawwn*
[21:35] <diddledan_> http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/google-streetview-murder-is-hoax-by-mechanics-1-3429939
[21:39] <Guest29278> hi guys, just had my laptop break, nvidia update i reakon killed my unity support
[21:41] <Guest29278> I login and get no icons or top bar/launcher, i can ctrl+alt+t to bring up a console, but no window chrome,  i get a message when i run unity --replace  ...
[21:41] <Guest29278> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Dispatch)
[21:42] <Guest29278> i was using the edgers repo, i dont think anyting changed since my last reboot other than i saw nvidia update of some sort
[21:42] <Guest29278> i'm using the optimus setup forthe laptop, from that edgers ppa


 Happy Friday
[07:08] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center tags f1eeadb Sebastien Bacher upstream/3.36.2 * Upstream version 3.36.2 * https://deb.li/33fXi
[07:09] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 9b44b35 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 29 commits * https://deb.li/3IHCe
[07:09] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center pristine-tar 7be9268 Sebastien Bacher gnome-control-center_3.36.2.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-control-center_3.36.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-control-center_3.36.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/Xw2I
[07:16] <duflu> Morning seb128, didrocks, marcustomlinson
[07:17] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu
[07:17] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:17] <duflu> seb128, Alright, could be better and aim to be after a sleep in tomorrow. You?
[07:19] <seb128> duflu, I'm good thanks!
[07:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags 8e7db10 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%3.36.2-1ubuntu1 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:3.36.2-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3ZHLF
[07:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master caf0d2c Sebastien Bacher * pushed 35 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/AwW7
[07:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ce848d3 Goran Vidović po/hr.po * Update Croatian translation * https://deb.li/3a0cv
[07:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 4681768 Jiri Grönroos po/fi.po * Update Finnish translation * https://deb.li/r00E
[07:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master fb8410e Jiri Grönroos po/fi.po * Update Finnish translation * https://deb.li/30f8d
[07:59] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master cb98517 Bastien Nocera panels/info-overview/cc-info-overview-panel.c * info-overview: Verify data coming from switcheroo-control * https://deb.li/dIk2
[07:59] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ef0b5d4 Robert Ancell panels/applications/cc-applications-panel.c * applications: Fix only connected snap interfaces showing * https://deb.li/310qC
[08:02] <Laney> hey ho
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:02] <Laney> what up seb128
[08:02] <Laney> doing alright
[08:02] <seb128> it's friday!
[08:02] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags 300cc7c Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%3.36.2-0ubuntu1 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:3.36.2-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3pvZh
[08:02] <Laney> looking forward to the weekend /o\
[08:03] <Laney> you?
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal 0c2f403 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 37 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ijUoc
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal fb8410e Jiri Grönroos po/fi.po * Update Finnish translation * https://deb.li/30f8d
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal cb98517 Bastien Nocera panels/info-overview/cc-info-overview-panel.c * info-overview: Verify data coming from switcheroo-control * https://deb.li/dIk2
[08:03] <Laney> good work on the .2 updates
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal ef0b5d4 Robert Ancell panels/applications/cc-applications-panel.c * applications: Fix only connected snap interfaces showing * https://deb.li/310qC
[08:03] <seb128> me too, though it's rainy now, summer is over
[08:03] <seb128> thx!
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal b24817a Jiri Grönroos po/fi.po * Update Finnish translation * https://deb.li/xI2z
[08:03] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal e714882 Yuri Chornoivan po/uk.po * Update Ukrainian translation * https://deb.li/3l0Gs
[08:03] <Laney> my water bill is happy for that
[08:03] <Laney> had been using the hose every day
[08:03] <seb128> GNOME SRUs this morning, meetings in the afternoon and then w.e \o/
[08:04] <seb128> :)
[08:04] <seb128> do you have monday off in the u.k? I don't remember how you 'work day holiday' works
[08:05] <seb128> it's today here, but since there is virtual Vienna I'm just going to swap
[08:05] <Laney> they moved it to friday this year
[08:05] <Laney> because 75 years since VE day
[08:06] <seb128> VE?
[08:10] <Laney> it's what they call the end of WWII in europe here
[08:10] <Laney> "victory in europe"
[08:11] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:11] <Laney> moin didrocks
[08:11] <Laney> speaking of holidays, aren't you both supposed to be off?
[08:12] <didrocks> yeah, but swapping as I will need those days soooooooon :)
[08:13] <didrocks> (same with next Friday)
[08:13] <didrocks> and a meeting on the sprint today
[08:13] <Laney> but you could be doing something bett ... oh wait
[08:13] <didrocks> ahah :p
[08:27] <seb128> ah, ok
[09:17] <didrocks> tseliot: hey, is the Prime nvidia panel something ubuntu-only or upstream? (the switch between on demand / performance mode)?
[09:18] <didrocks> tseliot: context is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/2715#note_786173 (and so, if it’s ubuntu only, I am afraid we will need a distro patch in switcheroo)
[10:32] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, the ibus upstreaming was successful:
[10:32] <GunnarHj> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ibus/-/commit/924290db
[10:32] <GunnarHj> (I merged it myself, but had a +1 from the main maintainer after some minor adjustments.)
[10:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, great!
[10:32] <seb128> and hey :)
[10:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: So I suppose that we from now should try to add e.g. upstream commits directly in salsa rather than as Ubuntu only patches.
[10:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, indeed that would be better
[10:36] <Laney> attente in that patch
[10:36]  * Laney goes misty eyed
[10:36] <seb128> indeed :/
[11:16] <Laney> Wimpress: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/477749414/buildlog_ubuntu_groovy_amd64_ubuntu-mate_BUILDING.txt.gz that's one for you to fix
[11:20] <axino> hi
[11:21] <axino> a friend of mine reported that a d-r-u from bionic to focal removed ifupdown. Is this expected ? And if so, is this mentioned somewhere in the focal release notes ?
[11:21] <axino> not sure if it's a server team question or a desktop-ish question
[11:24] <ogra> axino, i'm pretty sure ifupdown was dropped between xenail and bionic so i doubt there is somethig in the focal release notes
[11:24] <ogra> *xenial
[11:25] <axino> ogra: I'm running on focal and I still have it. I d-r-u'ed  through every release though
[11:25] <axino> ogra: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/zYyyfRyWQw/
[11:25] <ogra> https://ubuntu.com/blog/netplan-by-default-in-17-10
[11:26] <ogra> dropped in 17.10 ...
[11:27] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#New_since_16.04_LTS
[11:27] <axino> ogra: "not the default" is very, VERY different from "dropped"
[11:27] <axino> ogra: from that wiki page : The ifupdown package remains available and supported in Ubuntu main for users that find netplan does not currently meet their networking needs.
[11:27] <ogra> see the bionic release notes i linked
[11:27] <axino> ogra: see what I just typed
[11:28] <ogra> yes, you can manually install it
[11:28] <ogra> but the upgrader should have removed it during your 16.04->18.04 upgrade
[11:29] <axino> ogra: where do you see that ?
[11:29] <ogra> it was deprecated in 18.04 as the release notes say ... netplan replaces it in all default installs
[11:29] <axino> I see nowhever in the bionic or focal release notes that ifupdown will be removed during the upgrade and that users must upgrade to netplan
[11:29] <ogra> usually the upgrader removed deprecated packages
[11:29] <ogra> in focal it moved to universe
[11:30] <ogra> but is still installable
[11:31] <axino> ogra: so where are the release notes mentioning that the upgrader will remove ifupdown ? "usually the upgrader removed deprecated packages" that's never been my experience
[11:32] <ogra> i'm not sure what you want to discuss with me ... the upgrader in 18.04 *did* remove it because it wasnt a default piece anymore and had been replaced ... also note that ifconfig is deprecated since about a decade, ubuntu was the last distro removing it
[11:33] <ogra> (following debian that removed it around the same time)
[11:35] <didrocks> ogra: I think his point is that when he upgraded to bionic, the upgrader didn’t remove it for him, nor during the main -> universe demotion (like disco -> eoan). I’m unsure why, but #u-devel with foundation team will be the right place to discuss it IMHO as they both own d-r-u and know what they have done for the transition ifupdown -> netplan
[11:38] <axino> ah thanks didrocks :)
[11:38] <ogra> didrocks, well, i doubt we can retroactively fix it so i dont see what the discussion point is ... it is gone :) he could file a bug about the non-removal indeed ...
[11:39] <axino> ogra: I was hoping we could retroactively fix the release notes :)
[11:39] <didrocks> maybe we should understand when it’s really removed from d-r-u and adapt the release note :)
[11:39] <axino> I have no problem with the removal, if the users are warned in the release notes
[11:40] <ogra> "Given that ifupdown is no longer installed by default, the commands: ifup and ifdown are also unavailable. Please use the ip command to achieve similar functionality, specifically ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. "
[11:40] <axino> 18.04 release notes have "The ifupdown package remains available and supported in Ubuntu main", 20.04 ones have no mention of that package, surely we can do better
[11:40] <axino> thanks again and have a good day everyone !
[11:40] <ogra> i'D say "no longer installed by deault" is a good enough indicator for "the upgrade will remove it"
[11:40] <ogra> but probably i'm reading it wrong
[11:41] <ogra> (from the release notes)
[12:54] <GunnarHj> Does anyone know offhand about example code in Vala for checking XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ?
[13:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't
[13:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Trying to google...
[13:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, e.g https://codesearch.debian.net/show?file=ibus_1.5.22-4%2Fengine%2Fmain.vala&line=82 ?
[13:08] <seb128> then you probalby need to split in : and see if the list contain the one you want to match on?
[13:08] <seb128> e.g
[13:08] <seb128> desktops = GLib.Environment.get_variable("XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP");
[13:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: It's the splitting part I need help with. I don't know Vala. :/
[13:10] <seb128> desktoplist[] list = desktops.split(":");
[13:10] <seb128> well, https://valadoc.org/glib-2.0/string.split.html
[13:10] <seb128> easier to copy an example from there
[13:11] <Laney> you can use "in" in vala
[13:12] <Laney> ah sorry misread
[13:15] <GunnarHj> seb128, Laney: Thanks for tips. Something to look closer into. I'm trying to revive https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/TT566FRyzk/, make it apply for both GNOME and Unity, and propose it upstream.
[13:16] <Laney> huh interesting
[13:16] <Laney> surprised that gnome needs such a patch
[13:17] <GunnarHj> Laney: if you open ibus-setup, the very first thing you see is an option to change the layout switch shortcut. Changing it from there is not effective on GNOME.
[13:19] <Laney> GunnarHj: Fair enough. That patch looks like it forks the whole UI though - I suspect an upstreamable patch would rather need to modify it dynamically (or make it do the right thing)
[13:20] <Laney> seb128's hints seem like what you need immediately though (then return "Unity7" in desktop_names or similar)
[13:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: I see what you mean. But proposing clumsy code is a way to communicate the issue and start the process. I have been successful previously as regards ibus by doing so. :)
[13:22] <Laney> OK, good luck!
[13:22] <GunnarHj> Thanks!
[14:53] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers


[06:05] <vibhav> msgstr' is not a valid Python format string, unlike 'msgid'. Reason: In the directive number 2, the character '(' is not a valid conversion specifier.
[06:05] <vibhav> Why am I getting this while translating?
[06:32] <tweet> I have been trying to install ice 3.4.2 on Oneiric.. one of  their libs is missing  - rather they have a diff version at the given path.. can this be fixed somehow?
[06:33] <vibhav> tweet : you should be asking this on #ubuntu
[06:35] <tweet> Hi vibhav, this is a generic issue across many such software..
[06:35] <tweet> is there a way to edit an entry list for any such software and give it an alternate file version to download ?
[06:36] <tweet> sorry about that, Vibhav !!
[09:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:11] <danhg> Morning
[09:16] <vibhav> morning
[21:16] <jterrace> is the debian/rules target "binary" supposed to have fakeroot privs? I'm getting a permission denied error when I try to create a directory in /usr/local/lib. If I run my command with fakeroot, I get an error about nesting fakeroot
[21:23] <micahg> jterrace: you probably want #ubuntu-packaging
[21:23] <jterrace> thanks
[21:23] <jterrace> i meant to go there
[21:23] <jterrace> sorry


[01:11] <drab> is there any way to get lxsession-logout to be horizontal?
[01:11] <drab> it's really weird vertical like that, people aren't really used to it and it throws them off
[20:59] <suncokret> hello, so is it new lubuntu 16.04 with lxde or lxqt? :)
[21:01] <genii> LXDE
[21:01] <genii> ..or at least I hope so!
[21:02] <diffis> Yes, according to Softpedia.
[21:14] <suncokret> i hope that is lxde too :)
[21:14] <suncokret> i use 14.04 and it work great
[21:17] <suncokret> so i hope that 16.04 will be good as 14.04 because it is also lts version


[02:44] <AskUbuntu> Update or replace webapp | http://askubuntu.com/q/315248
[04:34] <AskUbuntu> Are there any Achievement and Leaderboard services for gamers and game developers? | http://askubuntu.com/q/315261
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <gusch> oSoMoN: do you have some time for a review?
[07:49] <oSoMoN> gusch: not much, but shoot, I can give it a quick look later today
[07:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-datastructure-load/+merge/172348
[08:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: ping
[08:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hi
[08:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: hey, seen my e-mails?
[08:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: just reading them, give me a minute. late start today, i'm handing over the flat to some friends for the weeks i'm off
[08:15] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is florian ok with your proposal ?
[08:15] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: before going on with it I would suggest you make sure he's on board
[08:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: because that's how i had started thigns, with a separate plugin in the webbrowser branch, IIRC, but it was overruled
[08:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and had to split off
[08:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also the work to keep the two in sync is a one-off thing that happened because it took me too long to create ubuntu-ui-extras but won't be needed continuously
[08:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: we’ll need to wait until he comes online to discuss it with him
[08:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes
[08:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: in the meantime, anything else we can do on this specific task ?
[08:23] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: and having the plugin and the app in two separate code bases is going to be a royal pita
[08:24] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: you can maybe review my MR to check for its sanity, assuming that we’ll go with this solution (but we’ll wait for Florian to confirm first)
[08:24] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/separate-plugin-app/+merge/172480
[08:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: why would it be a pain ? the only thing i hate is that we lose history
[08:25] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: because anytime I need to fix a bug or write a new feature that touches both I’ll have to sync between two branches, and two sets of packages
[08:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: in an ideal world the plugin and the app would be so independent that it wouldn’t matter, but I know it’s not gonna be like that
[08:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: makes sense
[08:45] <JamesTai1> Good morning all, happy UFO Day! :-D
[09:18] <gusch> oSoMoN_: tmoenicke is going to review the MR
[09:18] <oSoMoN_> gusch: ah, fine, I was about to start reviewing it but good that tmoenicke can take it, thanks
[09:21] <gusch> oSoMoN_: he's blocked atm. anyway
[10:22] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro: ping
[10:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes ?
[10:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/separate-unittests/+merge/172529 ?
[10:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: not at all
[10:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: it re-organizes the code under the unittests directory, to ease maintenance
[10:30] <nerochiaro> good idea
[10:30] <oSoMoN> no code changes, just shuffling around files
[11:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: already approved it. anything else i can help with with browser before florian comes back ?
[11:15] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: not right now, but Florian should be online anytime soon now
[11:15] <nerochiaro> indeed
[11:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'll get some food in the meantime
[11:29] <om26er> is the conference call working on the phone app ?
[11:30] <om26er> does anyone know ?
[11:40] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: ping
[11:48] <xeranas> Hello, which soup library is recomended for simple stuff on Ubuntu SDK?
[13:04] <oSoMoN> Kaleo: please ping me when you’re around, we need to discuss the extras QML plugin, see my e-mail
[13:10] <AskUbuntu> Could not create a currency converter phone app | http://askubuntu.com/q/315415
[13:37] <schwann> victorp: can you again test https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/qtubuntu-camera/camera-torch-support/+merge/168468
[13:38] <victorp> schwann sure, i will try tomorrow
[13:39] <schwann> victorp: cool
[13:55] <Kaleo> oSoMoN_: yes
[14:13] <nerochiaro> boiko: i just pasted my report in the mumble channel
[14:14] <boiko> nerochiaro: thanks
[14:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so is the plan approved ?
[14:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: seems so, let’s do a quick mumble to recap
[14:19] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if it works. i'm in the apps channel
[14:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: so, are you going to approve the MR?
[14:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if you don't have anything to add to it yes
[14:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: nothing to add now, will do the rest of what we discussed in subsequent merge requests
[14:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[14:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: approved
[14:54] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks
[15:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: I am wondering if in the Ubuntu.Components.Extra separate package I should include some kind of example component. Otherwise the CMakeFies etc won't have much to install and it won't be a very useful skeleton
[15:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: still there ?
[15:32] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro: yes
[15:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: guess you missed my previous question:
[15:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: I am wondering if in the Ubuntu.Components.Extra separate package I should include some kind of example component. Otherwise the CMakeFies etc won't have much to install and it won't be a very useful skeleton
[15:33] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro: yeah, I guess it would make sense
[15:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: if you’re still around and have a bit of spare time, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/toolbar-buttons/+merge/172604 ?
[15:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: I'll take it once i finish this example component
[15:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: ok, thanks
[15:56]  * oSoMoN is off for today, needs some rest
[16:51] <om26er> nerochiaro, Hey!
[16:51] <om26er> nerochiaro, the tests fail because that branch brings in regressions
[16:52] <om26er> nerochiaro, 1. when you click inside a note area you cannot type anything
[16:53] <om26er> 2. when you have an image loaded and you click below the image the text field does not expand to type.
[16:54] <Kaleo> om26er: nerochiaro: it's important that this branch lands today before the touch build starts otherwise the notes app won't launch anymore
[16:58] <timp> anyone knows where the .deb packages end up when I "build application on device" from qtcreator?
[16:58] <timp> I think they used to go somewhere in /home/phablet, but I cannot find it now :s maybe something changed with the flipped image?
[17:00] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: are the tests failing only in jenkins ?
[17:01] <om26er> timp, my blind guess would be it used to paste it to /data/ubuntu/home/phablet but since we don't have /data/ubuntu on flipped images. the problem lies there. so QtCreator would need adapting.
[17:01] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: you tell me
[17:01] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: (it's your app not mine, I already provided the API adaptations)
[17:01] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: it's your branch man, did you run the tests or not when you made it ?
[17:02] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: I prepared the branch as a service
[17:02] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: I cannot test all the apps I gave help with for the API  change
[17:02] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: I could not have prepared a branch at all
[17:02] <om26er> Kaleo, nerochiaro they fail on desktop as well. (I ran)
[17:03] <Kaleo> om26er: thank you
[17:03] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: ok fair enough
[17:04] <om26er> 5 tests fail, due to the two reasons I specified above.
[17:08] <Kaleo> om26er: any idea why https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/new_theming/+merge/171886 fails?
[17:09]  * om26er looks
[17:09] <om26er> Kaleo, looks like an issue with the panda builders
[17:10] <gusch> Kaleo om26er I have the same issue for camera-plugin and gallery
[17:15] <om26er> gusch, Kaleo I re-triggered and this time it seems to be running
[17:16] <Kaleo> om26er: ok, thanks
[17:17] <gusch> om26er: thx
[17:18] <om26er> gusch, whats camera-plugin ?
[17:18] <gusch> om26er: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/qtubuntu-camera/camera-torch-support/+merge/168468
[17:18] <gusch> om26er: gallery is https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-datastructure-load/+merge/172348
[17:19] <om26er> the problem is with ps-panda-4
[17:23] <boiko> Kaleo: is the UITK styling change merged already?
[17:26] <Kaleo> boiko: yes
[17:26] <Kaleo> boiko: and the phone app MR too
[17:27] <Kaleo> om26er: apparently jenkins is not using the latest ubuntu-ui-toolkit for https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/mediaplayer-app/new_theming/+merge/171887
[17:28] <Kaleo> renato_: let's ask om26er ^
[17:28] <boiko> Kaleo: ah ok, nice :)
[17:29] <boiko> Kaleo: I'll do a phone-app release then
[17:29] <renato_> Kaleo, the new theme API is already release?
[17:29] <Kaleo> boiko: you still do releases?
[17:29] <Kaleo> boiko: it's not automatic?
[17:29] <Kaleo> renato_: it's in trunk yes
[17:30] <boiko> Kaleo: it was but due to some problems we had to switch back to using manual releases
[17:30] <Kaleo> boiko: just the phone app?
[17:30] <boiko> Kaleo: yep, it is building in a separate PPA
[17:30] <Kaleo> boiko: ok
[17:30] <boiko> Kaleo: because saucy's indicator-messages is different from the phablet one
[17:31] <om26er> Kaleo, the log don't seem to think that. the package that is installed comes from the builder (which builds the proposed branch)
[17:32] <boiko> Kaleo: salem_ just tried latest phone-app and he seems to be getting this problem:
[17:32] <renato_> Kaleo, wait there is a new log
[17:32] <boiko> Kaleo: file:///usr/share/phone-app/phone-app.qml:221:13: Non-existent attached object
[17:32] <boiko> Kaleo:                  ItemStyle.class: singlePane ? "new-tabs" : "tabs"
[17:33] <Kaleo> boiko: he obviously is not using phone-app trunk
[17:33] <salem_> Kaleo, just compiled the ubuntu-ui-toolkit from trunk.
[17:33] <renato_> Kaleo, I was looking into the old log, sorry
[17:33] <renato_> the new one looks fine
[17:33] <Kaleo> om26er: sorry for the trouble
[17:34] <om26er> Kaleo, no problem :)
[17:34] <Kaleo> renato_: can you please try the autopilot tests on your machine?
[17:35] <renato_> om26er, Kaleo looking at the videos look like some problem with the video decoder
[17:35] <renato_> Kaleo, works fine on my machine
[17:35] <Kaleo> renato_: ah ok
[17:37] <salem_> Kaleo, yep, just ran bzr pull again and more stuff were updated. now it works. thanks.
[17:37] <Kaleo> salem_: great
[18:15] <renato_> Kaleo, I did some changes on the autopilot test, to make it more stable in diff devices, let see what happen: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/fix-autopilot/+merge/172638
[18:16] <Kaleo> renato_: brilliant
[18:58] <AskUbuntu> ubuntu sdk has no c++ examples | http://askubuntu.com/q/315560
[19:21] <papoteur> Hello, I have a patch for usb-imagewriter to propose. Which way should i follow to submit it?
[19:41] <Kaleo> renato_: one test still fails
[19:42] <Kaleo> MismatchError: After 10.0 seconds test on GenericToolbar.ready failed: True != dbus.Boolean(False, variant_level=1)
[19:42] <renato_> Kaleo, yes I am checking
[19:53] <Kaleo> om26er: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/camera-app/new_theming/+merge/171886 failed again :/
[19:54] <om26er> Kaleo, approve it now, will go fine
[19:55] <om26er> papoteur, make a branch and propose it to its launchpad project
[19:55] <Kaleo> om26er: ok
[19:56] <papoteur> om26er: thks.
[19:57] <om26er> papoteur, though I do think that project is not maintained anymore...
[19:57] <papoteur> om26er: how do you know that ?
[19:58] <om26er> papoteur, i remember it used to be used during the time when we had ubuntu-netbook-edition which had .img files. Now we produce ISOs for all images so usb-creator-gtk is used to make usbs bootable
[20:00] <papoteur> om26er: Ok, I will have a look to that. Linux-mint done like a fork.
[20:03] <xzcvczx> om26er: i prefer using dd as i have had limited success with the tools
[20:06] <ironhalik> Hello
[20:06] <ironhalik> I'm looking into some ubuntu development
[20:07] <ironhalik> and so far, I've figured out I should use python3
[20:07] <ironhalik> but since I would use some GUI, I'm wondering about GUI framework
[20:07] <ironhalik> should I go with qt4 or GTK?
[20:08] <ironhalik> gnome is based on gtk, but future releases may move to qt
[20:08] <ironhalik> and also, so far, the basic stuff in qt seem to be more elegant for me, compared to gtk
[20:12] <beuno> ironhalik, so, the future is Ubuntu Touch, for which there's an SDK in development: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[20:12] <beuno> that's probably your best bet today
[20:14] <ironhalik> it looks like it's mainy intended for mobile development?
[20:14] <beuno> ironhalik, Ubuntu 14.04, the next stable release, will be a converged release
[20:14] <beuno> so the same SDK for desktop and mobile
[20:14] <ironhalik> hmm, thats nice
[20:15] <ironhalik> won't there by any backward compatibility issues if I go with ubuntu-sdk?
[20:15] <ironhalik> like, qt5 in 12.04?
[20:16] <beuno> ironhalik, yes, this is targeted for newer versions of Ubuntu
[20:16] <beuno> 13.10 and 14.04
[20:16] <ironhalik> I need to think about my potential user base :>
[20:16] <ironhalik> hell, android development is crazy simple compared to ubuntu :P
[20:17] <ironhalik> I heard about plans for ubuntu sdk, didnt know there's a preview for it
[20:17] <ironhalik> either way, I'll check it out
[20:17] <ironhalik> thanks beuno
[20:18] <beuno> np
[21:15] <renato_> Kaleo, passed: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/mediaplayer-app/fix-autopilot/+merge/172638
[21:26] <Kaleo> renato_: excellent! thank you
[21:26] <Kaleo> renato_: I approved it
[22:54] <boiko> Kaleo: hey, would you mind reviewing/approving this release MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/phone-app/release_0.59.17/+merge/172695
[22:54] <boiko> Kaleo: it's for the UITK theming fixes to get released
[23:02] <Kaleo> boiko: done
[23:02] <boiko> Kaleo: obrigado! :)
[23:07] <Kaleo> de nada
[23:25] <Kaleo> nik90: still here?
[23:25] <Kaleo> nik90: I'm back
[23:35] <Kaleo> nik90: I *think* it will fix it https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix_1197164/+merge/172698
[23:35] <Kaleo> timp: you're not around I guess?
[23:46] <nik90> Kaleo: just saw ur message.
[23:47] <nik90> Kaleo: I will wait for it to get merged and then test and let you know how it goes
[23:48] <Kaleo> nik90: thanks, what's your timezone?
[23:48] <nik90> Kaleo: UTC + 02:00 (its late here... :D )
[23:51] <Kaleo> nik90: oh yeah
[23:51] <Kaleo> nik90: go to bed :)


[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78516 in gaim (main) "crash on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78516
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78517 in apport (main) "TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'instance' objects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78517
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78518 in firefox (main) "crash after selecting all messages in gmail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78518
[12:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68996 in gparted (main) "xfs partition problem (Edgy 6.10)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68996
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78519 in gxmms (universe) "Please remove gxmms from Ubuntu" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78519
[12:44] <TLE> Hay can somebody close this bug #49140 for me? I can't do that yet
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49140 in dsdo "The dictionary is not registered with Emacs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49140
[12:45] <persia> TLE: How do you want it closed?  (Fix Released or Rejected)
[12:46] <TLE> Oh I though tere was one that just said "close" oh wait that's in the other field. I can do it myself then. Thanks anyway.
[12:46] <TLE> there*
[12:46] <persia> TLE: No worries.
[12:52] <TLE> Wuhuu closed my first bug. Can I get my hug now?
[12:53] <TLE> *G*
[12:53] <TLE> thanks a lot
[01:08] <wolf_> hi
[01:08] <TLE> hey
[01:09] <wolf_> I just noticed that I was in the bugsquad, so thought I would come and say hi
[01:10] <TLE> noticed *G*
[01:10] <wolf_> Request many moons ago
[01:11] <wolf_> I havent used irc since 78.  Has changed a bit
[01:11] <TLE> Oh. Welcome
[01:12] <TLE> kind of quiet in here. It's mostly the bot jappering on about new bugs *G*
[01:12] <wolf_> thanks.
[01:12] <wolf_> so we see a new bug and go triage it? lol
[01:13] <dsas> wolf_: Yep, no fighting over it though!
[01:14] <TLE> yeah pretty much, or you can search for them off course, if you have some favorite package
[01:14] <dsas> wolf_: You can always visit the bug page of your favourite program and see if there's anything you can do there
[01:14] <TLE> *G*
[01:14] <TLE> There's plenty for everyone
[01:14] <wolf_> sounds like fun..
[01:16] <TLE> yes and very cozy too, you get a hug once you have triaged a bug ;)
[01:17] <wolf_> lol
[01:24] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78521 in Ubuntu "In Edgy, After last DBUS update, root locale is out-of-order." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78521
[01:25] <wolf_> There's one now!
[01:25] <TLE> Go go go
[01:33] <wolf_> Looks like he might just want to re-set default language in language-support gui...locale in Nautilus
[01:34] <wolf_> or is that too simple?  :-)
[01:34] <wolf_> https://launchpad.net/bugs/78521
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78521 in Ubuntu "In Edgy, After last DBUS update, root locale is out-of-order." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:35] <TLE> *blanc*
[01:37] <dsas> wolf_: you probably want to ask him what the output of sudo echo $LANGUAGE is, just to make sure it's still set to portuguese
[01:40] <wolf_> good idea, thanks
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77996 in jokosher "can't add an instrument/import a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77996
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78523 in scorched3d (universe) "Merge with debian version 40.1d.dfsg-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78523
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78524 in rhythmbox (main) "Podcast download mechanism isn't robust enough and often fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78524
[02:59] <bddebian> Boo
[03:00] <Hobbsee> bee!
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78525 in Ubuntu "Key "?/" doesn't work on text mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78525
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78526 in kdepim (main) "KTNEF not added to K Menu when installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78526
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78527 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[users-admin]  Changing UID needs notice to reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78527
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78528 in rhythmbox (main) "Often hangs or even crashes, during radio buffering" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78528
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78529 in xine-lib (main) "libxine1-based apps don't display DVD subtitles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78529
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78530 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when I change focus to azureus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78530
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78531 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu 6.10 Live CD installation crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78531
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78532 in teg (universe) "local server launches invisibly, and does not exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78532
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78533 in gnome-system-tools (main) "weather report does not accurately state time of last update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78533
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78534 in grace (universe) "xmgrace needs nautilus integration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78534
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78535 in knowledgetree (universe) ""Browse Collections" fails after install with PHP5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78535
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78536 in xorg (main) "man pages not installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78536
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78540 in rdesktop (main) "Alt-Shift does not propagate to remote host" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78540
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78538 in firefox (main) "Feature Request:  Allow Firefox to work on multiple X11 screens" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78538
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78539 in Ubuntu "Flash Drive Problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78539
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78541 in firefox (main) "mozplugger/timidity not working in Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78541
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78542 in seahorse (universe) "The man page for searhose-agent is entitled seahorse-daemon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78542
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78543 in rar (multiverse) "File size limit exceeds for rar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78543
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78544 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel fails to load ICH5 SATA driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78544
[07:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78546 in hal (main) "Edgy - iAudio F2 hal patch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78546
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78547 in egroupware (universe) "please sync egroupware (1.2-106.dfsg-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78547
[08:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <palski> morning dholbach
[08:52] <dholbach> hiya palski
[08:55] <palski> I think that apport thingy should ask what the user did before the crash happened. There are lots of bugs with crash file attached but no explanations whatsoever
[08:57] <dholbach> apport doesn't send the crash report
[08:57] <dholbach> I think that Launchpad should say some more about that
[08:59] <palski> ok, well then I blame launchpad for that =)
[09:02] <dholbach> ok :)
[09:02] <dholbach> you could tell the guys in #launchpad
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78548 in Ubuntu "Logitech TrackMan Wheel goes wonky after upgrading (Edgy/6.10 updates)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78548
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78549 in Ubuntu "Please sync libdiscid (0.1.0-1) from Debian unstable main" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78549
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78550 in gnome-chemistry-utils (universe) "incorrect description" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78550
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78551 in python-tz (main) "Please sync python-tz (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78551
[11:18] <chantra> hi guys
[11:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78552 in linux-meta (main) "/sbin/update-grub complains about being run instead of /usr/sbin/update-grub" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78552
[11:18] <chantra> update-manager is not showing the changelogs anymore
[11:19] <chantra> is this normal behaviour? or should a bug being filled
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78554 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Lightning Installation on Ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78554
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78553 in gnome-commander (universe) "crash while copying 34Gb of files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78553
[11:47] <Adri2000> anyone wants to confirm bug 78500 please? :)
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78500 in control-center "gnome-control-center wipes out /home/user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78500
[11:47] <Adri2000> if it's confirmed, that should be critical
[11:49] <seb128> disk-admin is from gnome-system-tools not gnome-control-center
[11:49] <seb128> and it has been dropped for edgy
[11:49] <seb128> ah
[11:49] <seb128> weird
[11:50] <seb128> there is no old disk-admin icon that should be left
[11:50] <seb128> I don't confirm it
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78556 in Ubuntu "no hardware detection of running wlan-stick anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78556
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78555 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Broken mixer behaviour on Intel HDA on Dell DXP051 machine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78555
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78557 in emerald-themes (universe) "emerald crashes after restart after changing the frame engine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78557
[11:56] <dholbach> reject it rather
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78559 in python-defaults (main) "python-qt crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78559
[01:13] <wendell|vacation> hi, seb128 !
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78560 in update-manager (main) "update-manager -c -d fails when upgrading to 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78560
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78561 in firefox (main) "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> segmentation fault on some ASP login pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78561
[01:19] <seb128> Hi wendell|vacation
[01:20] <wendell|vacation> seb128, i've add a upstream task in bug 34805, can you look if i did the right thing?
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34805 in vino "ALT GR key don't work." [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34805
[01:21] <seb128> looking
[01:21] <seb128> wendell|vacation: yep, looks fine to me
[01:22] <wendell|vacation> seb128, thanks, Mark (vino mainteiner) is going to check this bug, i guess it will be fixed for 2.18
[01:22] <seb128> good
[01:22] <seb128> how do you know that Mark is going to check it? he didn't comment yet
[01:23] <seb128> he seems to be busy for some time but review patches every now and then
[01:23] <wendell|vacation> seb128, i'm talking with him on jabber :)
[01:23] <seb128> ah, ok
[01:25] <seb128> lunch time, bbl
[01:25] <wendell|vacation> bye
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78563 in apt (main) "Order of package names in argument list shouldn't be relevant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78563
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78564 in kdepim (main) "kmail: French accentuated characters displayed as little squares" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78564
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78566 in gnome-session (main) "startup programs delayed for 2 minutes with compiz/beryl enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78566
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78567 in Ubuntu "Crash when switching between themes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78567
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78568 in kubuntu-meta (main) "kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78568
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78569 in k3d (universe) "Package uninstallable due to wrong Python-Version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78569
[03:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78570 in ubuntu-docs (main) "dvd decryption with /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh is deprecated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78570
[03:25] <Nafallo> indeed. where did that script go? :-/
[03:35] <bddebian> Boo
[03:37] <dsas> Nafallo: It went, you're supposed to get the packages from debian-unofficial.org if you're on debian now.
[03:38] <Nafallo> dsas: ah. that means I should merge with my personal repo then :-)
[03:38] <Nafallo> dsas: thanks
[03:40] <dsas> Nafallo: though the debian-unnofficial site says "I don't know if these packages work on ubuntu". they probably do though...
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78572 in epiphany-browser (main) "view-source open abiword and gives error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78572
[03:41] <Nafallo> dsas: agreed. I've downloaded the src anyway. will look when I have time :-).
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78571 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Nvidia + tsclient or rdesktop creates graphic corruption" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78571
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78573 in freetype1 (main) "wrong version in freetype2 pkg-config data" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78573
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78574 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed (7.04 H1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78574
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78576 in kdebase (main) "krandrtray "Display settings..." shows blank dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78576
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78578 in flightgear (universe) "A normal flight crashed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78578
[04:26] <dsas> heh, air turbulence?
[04:36] <dholbach> hehe
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78580 in gamix (universe) "Missing .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78580
[04:37] <crimsun> bug 78476
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78476 in libgd2 "libgd2 project, new maintainership, new CVS, new issue tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78476
[04:38] <Pierre> hello
[04:38] <marnanel> hello.
[04:38] <Pierre> about #78476, did I use the right channel or is there a more appropriate way to inform the pkg maintainers?
[04:39] <dsas> bug 78476
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78476 in libgd2 "libgd2 project, new maintainership, new CVS, new issue tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78476
[04:39] <dsas> Pierre: We sync that from debian, so any changes that happen there will get down to ubuntu at some stage.
[04:40] <Pierre> ok
[04:40] <dsas> Pierre: I think main merges ended in December though, so it may not show up until feisty+1
[04:41] <dsas> If debian have released a new version you can put in a sync request if you think that it is worthwhile
[04:42] <Pierre> dsas: Ok, or in the sec update post final releases. As far as I can see, some of my fixes, critical, are not in debian. But I will try to provide a list to Jonas.
[04:43] <dsas> Pierre: Yes, if there's known security bugs it's probably prudent to file them now.
[04:44] <Pierre> dsas: http://bugs.libgd.org/index.php?tasks=&project=2&due=2&status[] = list them all (the dark red). Do you recommend to put them in my bug report?
[04:46] <dsas> Pierre: Yes, I'd file a new bug with those security bugs in, if you can link to the upstream patches which fix each bug and which versions it effects, it would be appreciated.
[04:47] <dsas> If you've made a new release mentioning that would be useful.
[04:47] <Pierre> ok, not sure if I have enough free time right now to provide the link to each commit, but I will do it asap. The commit includes the bug #id, easy to follow
[04:48] <Pierre> I did not make any release yet, I'm waiting some feedbacks from other projects and packagers. I like to sync all of them, as much as possible. The last years were a mess.
[04:48] <dsas> Pierre: well, that can be done later, or the security team may do it.Just makes it easier for our security guys.
[04:49] <Pierre> cvs helps (gd did not have any cvs before :P http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/gd/libgd/
[04:55] <Pierre> ok, updated
[04:55] <Pierre> dsas: thx for the info
[04:57] <dsas> Pierre: No problem, I have subscribed the security team :)
[04:57] <Pierre> dsas: btw, in any case there is a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or you can mark a bug as private
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78582 in system-config-printer (main) "Program crashesh while adding new printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78582
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78583 in beagle (main) "beagle crash (dup-of: 61083)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78583
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78584 in evince (main) "Evince title should be adaptable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78584
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78585 in ubiquity (main) "xubuntu installer crahes (can be reproduced)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78585
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78586 in gnome-blog (universe) "Crash on clicking drop-down." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78586
[05:30] <dsas> nice work on thunderbird
[05:30] <Yawner> ta :)
[05:30] <Yawner> trying to work out how to contribute to the actual code now lol
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78587 in xulrunner (universe) "please sync xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78587
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78588 in Ubuntu "please sync exaile 0.2.7+debian-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78588
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78589 in gtk+2.0 (main) "OSX-like blue scrollbars don't show" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78589
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78590 in firefox (main) "when openning a page in new window crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78590
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78591 in apt-proxy (universe) "please review merge of apt-proxy 1.9.35-0.1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78591
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78592 in gnochm (universe) "X-chm + uninstall causes mime-type problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78592
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78593 in firefox (main) "file://foo always goes to the root dir" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78593
[07:46] <marnanel> well duh.
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78594 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "touchpad disabling button requires workaround" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78594
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78595 in gaim (main) "[Edgy]  Gaim hangs on start, no windows displayed, no crash log" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78595
[08:09] <mmedland> marnanel: surely it should say something along the lines of file not found, rather than just show the root dir. Or wasn't your comment at that bug? [78593]
[08:10] <marnanel> Oh, sorry, does it just show the root dir? I didn't read the body, I was going by the summary.
[08:11] <mmedland> lol, Oh yeah, I see that now. :)
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78599 in tcptrace (universe) "Please sync 6.6.1-1.1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78599
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78600 in libipoddevice (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync libipoddevice (0.5.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78600
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78601 in Ubuntu "[Sync]  marble (NEW) from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78601
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78603 in Ubuntu "Pinnacle PCTV USB Analog doesnt work in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78603
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78604 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "Kernel 2.6.19 source includes out of date cloop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78604
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78606 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel reported a crash at the end of a feisty update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78606
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78607 in mldonkey (universe) "Urgent patch to solve upload problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78607
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78609 in Ubuntu "installing edgy on usb sata hd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78609
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78610 in vlc (universe) "URL format string injection in CDDA and VCDX plugins" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78610
[09:49] <ScottK> bdmurray: I just replied to your question about bug #78526 - I don't have K Menu -> Debian on either box.
[09:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78526 in kdepim "KTNEF not added to K Menu when installed" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78526
[09:50] <bdmurray> ScottK: cool, I wasn't sure if that was something "special" that showed up on my system
[09:50] <ScottK> Dunno how you got it...
[09:51] <bdmurray> I installed Kubuntu and then added the Ubuntu meta package to get gnome so that might have something to do with it
[09:54] <ScottK> Odd.
[09:55] <bdmurray> I'll try to track down where it came from.
[09:56] <ScottK> That would be cool.
[09:57] <ScottK> It's my assumption that this is a packaging issue of some kind (Kubntu vs Debian way).  Source package for kdepim is 16mb...
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78612 in libsmbios (universe) "link missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78612
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78611 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "3c59x broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78611
[10:22] <dub> how long does a bug (reported via reportbug) typically take to make it into the system?
[10:23] <Admiral_Chicago> shouldn't take more that 10 minutes
[10:28] <dub> so if its not there and I submitted it over 12 hours ago its been rejected?
[10:29] <mmedland> you should still be able to find it though
[10:29] <mmedland> even if it has been rejected
[10:35] <dub> doesnt seem to be in the ubuntu-users archive either, I got an awaiting moderation reply
[10:36] <dub> should I try again?
[10:37] <mmedland> i'd say so, or you could try putting it in directly to launchpad
[10:37] <dsas> dub: You should put bug reports directly on launchpad.
[10:38] <dub> ok, I'll do that
[10:38] <dsas> (sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick, I missed first part of conversation)
[10:39] <dub> I had used 'reportbug'
[10:39] <mmedland> dsas:He reported it using reportbug first, but cant find it know
[10:39] <mmedland> you beat me to it :)
[10:39] <dsas> ah, yeah it'll be held in moderation. Ubuntu doesn't use reportbug,
[10:40] <dsas> it means some poor soul gets to moderate the -users list and stick it in the bug tracker sometime, one day.
[10:40] <dsas> best to go straight to LP
[10:41] <mmedland> i wouldnt like that job , is there a group that does that?
[10:41] <mmedland> the moderating i mean
[10:41] <dub> I wondered about the debian.org address in the manpage, some dirty bastard lied to me
[10:42] <mmedland> lol
[10:42] <dsas> yeah, there's a group that moderate it. I don't know how often they forward stuff to the bug tracker though.
[10:42] <mmedland> okay
[10:44] <mmedland> it would make more sense if it went direct to LP wouldnt it?
[10:45] <dub> so if I submit another one in LP it will double up at some stage?
[10:45] <dub> better not to maybe?
[10:46] <mmedland> if you stick it in LP now, the people who move them from reportbug will see it already exists and itll save them a small job :)
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78613 in libpst (universe) "readpst core dump while converting outlook 2003 pst file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78613
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78614 in apt (main) "apt-get connection errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78614
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78615 in cupsys (main) "cupsys starts up, consumes 100% CPU and blocks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78615
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69082 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Screen goes blank regardless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69082
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78616 in metacity (main) "Firefox crashes metacity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78616
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78617 in xorg (main) "edgy and feisty after update i get 640x480 only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78617
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78618 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org 2.0.4 crashes when trying to print" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78618
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78621 in mairix (universe) "debian/mairix.doc-base contains incorrect file names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78621
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78622 in emifreq-applet (universe) "100% CPU Load" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78622


[16:09] <davmor3> hello all
[16:12] <davmor3> >:-)
[17:14] <sd6> Hi everyone  I am from Morocco I wan join the ubuntu testing them how !!
[21:41] <ian_brasil> hi.. what is there a mago command to take a screenshot
[21:44] <ian_brasil> oops ...sorry for the dumb question..use ldtp right


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