[00:01] <BjornT> RAOF: no, LP can't auto-forward bugs. it only syncs a subset of all comments so far, after you have manually linked the bug. auto-forwarding is kind of planned, but there's a long way to get there
[00:03] <RAOF> BjornT: Ok.  How about the reverse?  Can you auto-import bugs from bugzilla?
[00:04] <BjornT> RAOF: no, same thing there. not yet, and it's a long way to go before that is possible
[00:04] <RAOF> :(.  We'd rather like to be a gnome project, but bugzilla is a killer.  Oh, well.
[00:19] <sproaty> Can you specify Soyata (or whatever it's called) to automatically copy my binaries to all Ubuntu versions after successfully building my package
[00:20] <sproaty> rather than me checking each one and saying 'copy binary' in the PPA manager
[00:46] <magcius> sproaty, file a bug?
[00:46] <magcius> RAOF, what's wrong with Bugzilla?
[00:47] <sproaty> is that the proper way to ask for a new feature? (file under wishlist?)
[00:47] <magcius> RAOF, bgo is very nice to work with relative to plain old bugzilla, with git-bz and splinter and the such
[00:49] <magcius> sproaty, yes.
[00:49] <magcius> RAOF, but the reason they don't auto-forward bugs is the same reason they developed LP in the first place.
[00:53] <RAOF> magcius: What's wrong with bugzilla is that it's not Launchpad, basically.  We're very comfortable using launchpad, and it does a whole host of things that bgo doesn't attempt to do.
[00:53] <magcius> RAOF, what exactly?
[00:54] <RAOF> Well, I don't think there's an email interface; there's certainly no bzr integration.
[00:54] <RAOF> bgo is ugly as sin.
[00:54] <RAOF> What else...?
[00:55] <magcius> RAOF, who cares if it's ugly?
[00:55] <magcius> RAOF, bgo has an email interface, and you won't be a gnome project if you use bzr. Use git.
[00:55] <magcius> I'd switch from GitHub to Launchpad if Launchpad was more like GitHub and supported Git.
[00:56] <magcius> In a heartbeat.
[00:56] <RAOF> Well, we *could* be a gnome project and use bzr; we'd just mirror git.gnome.org.
[00:56] <magcius> (i.e. easily forkable, lightweight repos/projects, not the "team" model)
[00:56] <sproaty> also, is there a way to subscribe to my program's bugmail, but not receive any emails from myself?
[00:56] <magcius> Because Launchpad bugs is excellent if you're upstream not downstream.
[00:57] <sproaty> I'm set as the bug notifier person or whatever, and if I change a tag for example, I get an email - totally unneeded
[00:57] <sproaty> anything *I* change, I get emailed about...bit annoying
[00:57] <magcius> I bet people would be more happy if Launchpad supported everything, so that everything was easily forkable and available. And they could checkout/clone a project in their favorite VCS.
[00:57] <magcius> That would be *amazing*]
[00:58] <spiv> magcius: I'm not sure what "easily forkable" means for you?
[00:58] <RAOF> I don't know what you mean by “easily forkable” that Launchpad doesn't currently provide.
[00:58] <spiv> magcius: because what it means to me Launchpad certainly provides.
[00:58] <magcius> spiv, oh hey.
[00:58] <magcius> spiv, I can fork a project, have Launchpad copy pretty much everything over.
[00:58] <magcius> spiv, and I can commit from it, they can pull from it.
[00:59] <magcius> spiv, if LP already provides this, I'm sorry.
[00:59] <spiv> magcius: if you want to make a fork, i.e. with your own changes, then you need a local copy to work with.
[00:59] <spiv> magcius: and it's cheap to push your own branch of a project to launchpad.
[00:59] <magcius> The only thing I don't like is the "team" model, where you need a "team" to make changes.
[00:59] <magcius> spiv, yeah, I guess.
[00:59] <RAOF> What do you mean by “fork a project” in this context?  You mean copy the project, it's bugs and such under a different name?
[01:00] <spiv> magcius: or is it that you want to make a whole new project, rather than branches of the project?
[01:00] <magcius> spiv, I want to make a whole new project, yes.
[01:00] <magcius> spiv, and have my copy of the project "linked" to the original.
[01:00] <spiv> magcius: hmm.  I'm not certain that's a good idea, really.
[01:00] <RAOF> How often do you want to do that?
[01:00] <magcius> RAOF, I wanted to do it for notify-osd.
[01:00] <spiv> magcius: but it's probably worth discussing somewhere, maybe the lp-users list.
[01:00] <magcius> But disregard that.
[01:01] <magcius> I think a killer feature would be to support any VCS.
[01:01] <magcius> Dulwich has a git daemon written in Python.
[01:01] <magcius> So what would be really cool is if I could just clone a bzr project and work on it in git.
[01:01] <RAOF> Which, I understand it, would bring the launchpad servers to their knees if anyone started using it :)
[01:01] <magcius> Or they could do the same if I used Git for Launchpad.
[01:02] <magcius> RAOF, they already host fake SSH, bzr, and scp servers.
[01:02] <RAOF> To a certain extent that's already possible; bzr is my git client of choice.
[01:02] <magcius> But no.
[01:02] <magcius> I like git because of the client.,
[01:03] <magcius> Not "foreign branches"
[01:03] <RAOF> magcius: Yeah, but the bzr<=>git transformation is really, really heavy.
[01:03] <magcius> RAOF, not really...
[01:03] <magcius> RAOF, if they used Dulwich to create a git daemon which people could clone from.
[01:04] <RAOF> They'd be translating bzr <=> git, and that takes a lot of resources with Dulwich at the moment.
[01:04] <magcius> RAOF, it does? I had the impression that they worked on a lot of git compatibility and making foreign branches fast for 2.0, which meant changes to the bzr model
[01:05] <RAOF> On the servers, which already have significant loads.  (I *have* discussed this before with a LP dev ;))
[01:05] <magcius> RAOF, really?
[01:05] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:05] <magcius> RAOF, you can agree it would be amazing though
[01:05] <RAOF> *I'd* like it if everyone just used Launchpad, yes.
[01:05] <magcius> And I would use Launchpad if it supported git.
[01:05] <RAOF> And I think git support would help drive adoption.
[01:05] <spiv> magcius: not sure in what sense you consider Launchpad's SSH, bzr and sftp servers to be "fake"?
[01:06] <magcius> spiv, look in the source.
[01:06] <magcius> spiv, also, scp, not sftp
[01:06] <sproaty> is it launchpad itself that provides the "bzr browser" code? one thing I'm missing is like in SVN, "download files at revision x"
[01:06] <magcius> sproaty, no, it's loggerhead, which is a launchpad spinoff
[01:06] <spiv> magcius: I *wrote* a lot of that source.
[01:06] <magcius> spiv, you work for Canonical?
[01:06] <spiv> magcius: yes
[01:06] <magcius> spiv, ah, didn't know/.
[01:06] <magcius> spiv, any reason it uses paramiko instead of twisted.conch?
[01:06] <spiv> magcius: maybe you are talking about something different to what I think you are?
[01:07] <sproaty> thanks again, magcius
[01:07] <spiv> magcius: what's "it"?
[01:07] <magcius> spiv, the SSH server.
[01:07] <spiv> magcius: um
[01:07] <spiv> magcius: it uses twisted.conch, not paramiko.
[01:07] <spiv> magcius: unless you're talking to a different one than bazaar.launchpad.net:22
[01:07] <RAOF> Possibly you're thinking of the bzr client?
[01:07] <magcius> spiv, okay, what uses paramiko? I remember a paramiko import somewhere.
[01:08] <magcius> spiv, it's "fake" because all it supports is bzr commands and not a real shell.
[01:08] <spiv> magcius: bzr, the client, uses paramiko for its SFTP implementation and for an alternative SSH implementation for platforms where options like /usr/bin/ssh are not available.
[01:08] <magcius> spiv, ah.
[01:09] <sproaty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/240580 - woo, guess it's to come
[01:09] <spiv> magcius: well, it implements the SSH protocol just fine; there are plenty of OpenSSH servers that won't give you shells and restrict which commands a client can run too.
[01:09] <magcius> spiv, have people suggested my "amazing" idea?
[01:09] <spiv> magcius: it would be entirely possible to implement what bazaar.launchpad.net:22 does with OpenSSH I think, but not as convenient.
[01:10] <magcius> spiv, I think everybody would switch over to Launchpad and discover how nice it is if it supported hg and git for a first step.
[01:10] <spiv> magcius: it's been suggested, yes.
[01:11] <spiv> magcius: it's not really a priority.  I forget the exactly reasoning, but not least of which is it would be a significant amount of work.
[01:11] <magcius> spiv, if Canonical had some code documentation, I'd be glad to contribute. I have a lot of free time.
[01:12] <spiv> magcius: there is quite a bit of docs in the code, and on the dev.launchpad.net wiki
[01:12] <magcius> spiv, last I checked those were all internal
[01:12] <spiv> magcius: pop over into #launchpad-dev if you like
[01:12] <magcius> spiv, but that was a long time ago
[01:12] <spiv> magcius: it's all open
[01:12] <magcius> okay, okay.
[01:13] <spiv> We're not silly enough to open source the code but no docs :)
[01:13] <spiv> The point of open sourcing code is to enable people to contribute :)
[01:13] <spiv> (well, one of the points, and certainly one of our motivations)
[01:15] <magcius> spiv, what does the PQM bot pull from?
[01:15] <magcius> spiv, and why aren't you in #launchpad-dev?
[01:19] <thumper> magcius: PQM doesn't pull
[01:19] <thumper> magcius: it has its own copy of the branch
[01:19] <thumper> magcius: merges in branches, and pushes
[01:19] <magcius> thumper, ah.
[01:19] <magcius> thumper, in git, where I come from, a pull is a merge.
[01:20] <thumper> magcius: I'm sure that is never confusing
[01:20] <magcius> thumper, no, if you have a common set of commits
[01:21] <magcius> thumper, and you want to merge in those atomic commits from a repository, you copy the commits over and then fast-forward the branch pointer
[01:21] <jml> so simple!
[01:21] <magcius> I know.
[01:22] <magcius> I don't know, nor do I want to know how it's done in bzr. But you can tell me anyway.
[01:22] <RAOF> It does tend to destroy the history of sometimes-useful metadata, though.
[01:24] <thumper> magcius: we aren't into forcing things on people
[01:28] <magcius> thumper, yeah, so stop forcing bzr on to me.
[01:28] <magcius> thumper, and let me use git. I'd gladly contribute if I knew my work would be accepted.
[01:28] <thumper> magcius: I'm not
[01:30] <spiv> magcius: we don't force you to use launchpad, and you don't force us to try to support git as a primary vcs ;)
[01:30] <magcius> spiv, :P
[01:31] <magcius> spiv, if I implement some preliminary Git support in these next few weeks, will it be accepted and worked on?
[01:32] <spiv> magcius: btw, I don't regularly hang out in #launchpad-dev because I'm a bzr dev now
[01:32] <magcius> spiv, I just want to know if it's worth it to attempt.
[01:32] <magcius> spiv, ah.
[01:32] <spiv> magcius: well, talk to the launchpad team.
[01:32] <magcius> spiv, well, I thought you were Launchpad team.
[01:32] <spiv> magcius: understood
[01:32] <spiv> magcius: freenode's ident for me doesn't help that :)
[01:33] <jml> magcius, Canonical's LP devs are already flat out, so can't promise we'd work on it.
[01:33] <magcius> jml, flat out?
[01:33] <magcius> jml, you're busy working on other stuff?
[01:33] <jml> magcius, sorry, it's an idiom in my dialect meaning "very busy"
[01:33] <spiv> "working at full capacity"
[01:33] <magcius> Woah.
[01:33] <jml> magcius, yes.
[01:34] <magcius> I might be inclined to ask what you're working on, but I'd probably get something like "we're under NDA"
[01:34] <spiv> ("flat out" is short for "flat out like a lizard drinking", I suppose)
[01:34] <spiv> magcius: https://dev.launchpad.net/RoadMap
[01:34] <rockstar> magcius, Launchpad is open source.
[01:34] <spiv> magcius: see also the mailing list etc, but the roadmap is a good overview
[01:35] <jml> magcius, we aren't opposed to having git support, but we'd want it to work in such a way so that you could use bzr or git for any project on Launchpad, regardless of what it's actually hosted in.
[01:43] <Peng> That sounds scary.
[01:43] <rockstar> Peng, we like to use the word "adventurous."
[01:44] <jml> Peng: it is a bit. one of the reasons we haven't leapt at it already.
[01:44] <jml> Peng: I think the right way of doing it is making git-bzr better.
[01:44] <jml> (or exist, whichever comes first)
[01:45] <RAOF> You mean the git plugin to interact with bzr repositories?  I'm pretty sure that it doesn't exist.
[01:45] <jml> RAOF, yeah, that.
[01:46] <thumper> or provide the git wire protocol to bzr branches
[01:46] <thumper> which does exist
[01:46] <thumper> but is slow
[02:14] <RAOF> Time to play with blueprints.  Let's see if they can be useful!
[02:17] <sproaty> blueprints seem to give me a *load* of karma
[02:18] <sproaty> though I'm not sure I use blueprints correctly - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/whyteboard/+specs?show=all
[02:19] <RAOF> There doesn't seem to be anyway to mark a blueprint as “no, that's a stupid idea, go away”
[02:21] <RAOF> Which would be useful, becasue we've got a huge bunch of blueprints for Do where people have just gone “wouldn't be awesome if the flux capacitor could be overloaded to produce OpenGL effects in stereo!”
[02:21] <RAOF> And some are simply bugs, pure & simple.
[02:22] <RAOF> And some are “could you make Fedora not suck at mono packaging, please”.
[02:24] <Peng> Can blueprints be converted into bugs or something, like questions?
[02:25] <RAOF> Not as far as I can see.
[02:27] <sproaty> I write them all up myself
[02:27] <sproaty> as a way of letting people know what I'm working on (as if they care)
[02:28] <RAOF> Is there some design reason why there *isn't* a “rejected” status for blueprints
[02:28] <RAOF> ?
[02:39] <bigjools> sproaty: is bug 507272 yours?
[02:44] <jml> RAOF, I don't _think_ so.
[02:45] <RAOF> I think I'll just ignore blueprints again; I don't think the payoff will be high enough.
[02:45] <ScottK> RAOF: I think obsolete gets used for that.
[02:48] <jml> RAOF, and the Launchpad code apparently says that "Obsolete" means "probably because we decided not to do it"
[02:48] <sproaty> bigjools, yes
[02:48] <jml> RAOF, but that should be better.
[02:49] <bigjools> sproaty: ah too late I commented on the bug
[02:49] <bigjools> but if you want to read it and ask questions I am here for a while
[02:50] <sproaty> heh, my code guess what somewhat correct!
[02:51] <sproaty> I wasn't aware of a launchpad API
[02:55] <sproaty> bigjools, it's no big deal really, it'll only save me a few minutes ultimately
[02:56] <bigjools> sproaty: but immeasurably in sanity :)
[02:57] <sproaty> it'll help a bit to automate my tedious release process
[03:08] <CarlFK> I run ubuntu-bug foo, it collects info, then launches FF which asks me to log in.
[03:09] <CarlFK> when I get my user/pw right (screwed up 2x) it says "To continue, you must log in to Launchpad." and I have to log in a 2nd time
[03:09] <CarlFK> any idea what's going on?
[03:09] <CarlFK> it did redirect me to edge - maybe that is why?
[03:10] <cody-somerville> Thats why
[03:10] <CarlFK> k - no prob.
[03:10] <CarlFK> first few times it happed I thought I had the wrong pw, so I ended up resetting my pw a bunch of times
[04:16] <gagita> hi guys, I'm from timor-leste. happy new year to all of you who are take part in launchpad
[04:16] <gagita> I want to ask you steps to begin a translation
[04:17] <gagita> anyone can help
[04:17] <gagita> ?
[04:18] <thumper> jtv: ^^^
[04:18] <jtv> gagita: hi
[04:18] <jtv> gagita: you're looking to translate something into Timorese?
[04:19] <gagita1> yes
[04:19] <gagita1> jtv: yes
[04:19] <jtv> Something in ubuntu?  All of ubuntu?  Some other piece of software?
[04:19] <gagita1> translate oo to timor-leste language
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> gagita1: Doesn't Openoffice already have a t-l project?
[04:20] <gagita1> not yet
[04:20] <gagita1> Kamping_Kaiser: not yet
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> odd. I thought there was one hosted at openoffice.org. Good luck with yours then :)
[04:21] <jtv> gagita1: openoffice is a bit special
[04:22] <gagita1> we already created a team on launhpad
[04:23] <jtv> doko_: hi!
[04:23] <jtv> doko_: gagita1 is asking about translating OO.o to Timor-Leste...  Are the LP translations active again?
[04:24] <jtv> gagita1: the upstream OpenOffice.org project is obviously not translated in Launchpad, but the Ubuntu package for OpenOffice.org should be.  But I haven't kept up with its status.  I was hoping doko might know.
[04:25] <gagita1> jtv: hopeful he knows
[04:25] <jtv> gagita1: adiroiban might also know; he should be in UTC+1
[04:27] <gagita1> jtv: okay
[04:33] <gagita1> jtv: I'am on UTC+9
[04:33] <jtv> I'm on UTC+13 right now, so will be gone soon.
[04:34] <gagita1> jtv: yups
[04:34] <ScottK> jtv: doko__ doesn't have anything to do with OOo or translations.  He's an Ubuntu toolchain maintainer
[04:34] <jtv> ScottK: ah  :/  he used to, though...
[04:35] <ScottK> No.  Not really, at least not for several years.
[04:38] <gagita1> I met a  Spanish guy in AS3 conference in Manila last November, he said that he could help us, but we lost connection since there :(
[08:37] <rithy> Launchpad always make me crazy
[08:38] <rithy> I wait for long time when I upload my translate template
[08:39] <rithy> Could anyone review my template?
[08:39] <rithy> http://launchpad.net/moonos
[08:46] <adeuring> daniloff: see rithy's question above
[08:47] <rithy> :)
[09:10] <lepr> any objection to having #LaunchPad listed at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Channels ?
[09:10] <jml> lepr, nope.
[09:11] <mwhudson> i wouldn't case it like that though
[09:11] <mwhudson> #launchpad is fine
[09:11] <wgrant> The logo suggests LaunchPad, sadly.
[09:12] <lepr> Python programmers usually use CamelCase, do they not?
[09:12] <lepr> Other object oriented programmers usually do.
[09:14] <jml> lepr, it depends a lot.
[09:14] <jml> lepr, read PEP 8 if ever you want a rollercoaster ride of thrills, chills and fussiness
[09:16] <tsimpson> lepr: the logo doesn't suggest case, just where to split the word phonetically
[09:17] <wgrant> tsimpson: That may be what it means, but it's interpreted by many as indicative of capitalisation.
[09:18] <tsimpson> but the letters in the logo are all lower-case
[09:18] <tsimpson> then again, maybe I'm just strange and see things differently :)
[09:43] <lepr> I have found no easy way to get to https://launchpad.net/projects .  Is it destined to be linked in?  Is it forgotten?
[10:26] <lepr> From Help about changing a project owner: "However, you can change this to any other person or team in Launchpad by  following the Change details link and then selecting the People tab."  I'm attempting this, and other things in the documentation, on 'staging' and there is no People tab.  Why? or "How to fix?"
[10:27] <Whoopie> Hi, I have a question regarding PPA. Is it possible to reset my PPA for a specific package so that I can start from scratch? As if I have never uploaded it?
[10:41] <xchat-p3t3r> hi!
[10:42] <xchat-p3t3r> i'm involved in the Ubuntu Manual translating
[10:42] <xchat-p3t3r> what have i to do to begin this activity?
[10:43] <xchat-p3t3r> bcause some time launchpad doesn't allows making changes..
[10:44]  * lepr invite xchat-p3t3r #Ubuntu-Doc
[10:46] <xchat-p3t3r> thanks lepr..
[10:56] <adeuring> lepr: the docs are outdated. You can change the maintainer and some other roles directy from the main project page
[14:25] <xteejx> Hey guys, disruptive LP user alert!! Can someone assist me in dealing with this please, user has been warned, but continues to disrupt the Ubuntu bugtracker by changing bug status, even when told not to, to Fixed, when they really aren't. User ID: sergio / opuesto
[14:26] <Ursinha> adeuring, ^
[14:27] <xteejx> adeuring?
[14:27] <adeuring> xteejx: can you give me some example bugs?
[14:28] <xteejx> adeuring, just this one at the moment, but it is still quite disruptive even after being told not to do so, as it conflicts with the real status of the bug report
[14:28] <adeuring> xteejx: yeah, one sample is fine
[14:28] <xteejx> oh sorry I didn't say which one :)
[14:28] <xteejx> bug 78740
[14:28] <adeuring> xteejx: thanks!
[14:28] <xteejx> bug 78470, sorry
[14:29] <xteejx> adeuring, no thank you :)
[14:33] <adeuring> xteejx: I've suspended his account. thanks for the heads-up!
[14:33] <xteejx> adeuring, that's great, just saves everything getting messed up, maybe next time he'll help not disrupt, thank you again :)
[14:33] <mars> me thinks CHR's will soon want the ability to hide/remove comments :)
[14:34] <xteejx> I want that feature now heh :)
[14:34] <mars> thanks for the report xteejx
[14:34] <adeuring> mars: not yet, but this maight make sense in the future...
[14:34] <xteejx> no probs guys thanks for helping
[14:34] <xteejx> have a good morning/afternoon/evening see ya :D
[16:18] <didrocks> hey LP guys
[16:19] <didrocks> can someone rename netbook-remix project to ubuntu-netbook one and make the redirection available as the product is renamed in lucid, please?
[16:25] <adeuring> didrocks: that's a job for the LP admins. Can you file a request here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad ?
[16:26] <didrocks> adeuring: sure
[16:26] <didrocks> thanks
[16:28] <cody-somerville> didrocks, According to the project's whiteboard, njpatel says that project needs to be deleted.
[16:29] <didrocks> cody-somerville: where? I don't see that on the main page
[16:29] <cody-somerville> didrocks, You need to be a demi-admin to see it.
[16:29] <didrocks> ok
[16:30] <didrocks> so, maybe, just do wathever needs to :)
[16:31] <cody-somerville> I dunno what that is
[16:31] <cody-somerville> lol
[16:33] <didrocks> maybe not yet remove it so, as jaunty has some part of it
[17:11] <mhall119|work> hello
[17:11] <mhall119|work> how difficult would it be to make an install of launchpad use Hg instead of Bzr?
[17:12] <mhall119|work> is it scm agnostic, or pretty well tied to bzr?
[17:12] <beuno> mhall119|work, super mega extra tied to bzr
[17:12] <mhall119|work> okay
[17:12] <mhall119|work> that's not so bad, I can convince them to move to bzr, but thought I'd ask
[17:13] <maxb> mhall119|work: them?
[17:14] <mhall119|work> my company
[17:14] <maxb> You're aware of the Launchpad images/icons licencing constraint, right?
[17:14] <mhall119|work> yeah
[17:15] <mhall119|work> it would be for internal use only, we won't be distributing it
[17:15] <beuno> mhall119|work, if they're switching to a new DVCS, bzr is probably going to be easiest
[17:15] <mhall119|work> beuno: we're already using Hg
[17:15] <beuno> ah
[17:15] <maxb> mhall119|work: You might want to read that licence again, that's still not a legal use of Launchpad as distributed
[17:15] <beuno> good, so the transition will be easy  :)
[17:15] <mhall119|work> maxb: thanks
[17:26] <bdmurray> Is possible to query on "Incomplete without response" using launchpadlib?
[17:34] <thekorn> bdmurray, list(bughelper.searchTasks(status=["Incomplete (without response)",]))
[17:34] <bdmurray> thekorn: awesome thanks
[17:35] <bdmurray> that's ridiculous too
[17:35] <thekorn> my dirty trick here is: .searchTasks(status="dfgdf") and look at the content of the exception
[17:35] <thekorn> it shows all possible values
[18:24] <alecu> hello...
[18:24] <_charly_> hi :)
[18:27] <bdmurray> what does HTTP Error 410: Gone mean with launchpadlib?
[18:28] <elmo> bdmurray: the user no longer exists
[18:28] <elmo> i.e. a decactivated accont
[18:29] <bdmurray> elmo: thanks
[19:02] <edakiri> what license are the images and icons of launchpad?  also Affero GPL3?
[19:03] <edakiri> I asked because someone was here chatting about putting it on a private company network and someone asked him whether he knew about the license.
[19:04] <maxb> edakiri: No, they are Canonical All Rights Reserved, with an allowance that you may use them when hacking on launchpad itself
[19:06] <maxb> https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadLicense
[19:17] <juanmarquez> saludos
[19:17] <juanmarquez> amigos
[19:17] <juanmarquez> alguien de habla española?
[19:19] <juanmarquez> estoy dirigiendo a un grupo de futuros member a firmar el CoC, pero el keyserver.ubuntu.com no esta aceptando conexiones
[19:25] <erUSUL> is this a good place to report a problem with the CoC signing process in launchpad ?
[19:25] <erUSUL> ok will try; basically the fact the keyserver.ubuntu.com have been dwon for weeks (months) makes impossible to upload new CoC as launchpad is anable to find the keys :(
[19:30] <blueyed> Can somebody please look at OOPS-1475A2108 - I think this might have happened a while ago already, when trying to post a new bug for the tvbrowser Ubuntu package.
[19:44]  * blueyed is waiting
[19:45] <beuno> blueyed, looks like a bug
[19:45] <beuno> blueyed, could you file it?
[19:47] <blueyed> beuno: ok. So I'm unable to create a bug for this source package? Prolly it's better somebody files it who can see the backtrace etc?!
[19:48] <blueyed> I can provide additional info then.
[19:48] <beuno> blueyed, just refer to the oops, that contains the backtrace
[19:48] <beuno> and explain what you did
[19:48] <beuno> the traceback makes little sense
[19:48] <beuno> maybe deryck is around
[19:48] <beuno>   Module lp.bugs.browser.bugtarget, line 701, in showFileBugForm
[19:48] <beuno>     raise NotImplementedError
[19:48] <beuno> NotImplementedError
[19:48] <blueyed> ok. where's the "feedback / report problem" link gone in the footer?
[19:49] <blueyed> also, especially the Oops page should contain such a shortcut!
[19:49] <beuno> heh, very true
[19:49] <blueyed> I'll file that one, too.
[19:49] <beuno> thanks
[19:49] <deryck> beuno, we've got a lot of the NotImplementedError's lately.  Haven't gotten to doing a fix yet.  Trying for this week though.
[19:50] <deryck> this was trying to file a bug, right?
[19:50] <beuno> yeap
[19:50] <beuno> as long as its in your radar!
[19:51] <beuno> unless this is a plan to reduce the number of bugs in ubuntu  :)
[19:51] <deryck> heh
[19:51] <deryck> not an intentional plan, no
[19:52] <rockstar> ...but it works! Ship it!
[19:52] <blueyed> Bug #507622
[19:53] <beuno> rockstar, o/
[19:53] <rockstar> beuno, is that like a Goonie Sloth face or something?
[19:55] <beuno> rockstar, IRC waving, it's all the rage
[19:55] <blueyed> bah.. going back from the oops page, I'm now at the summary page again. all the input is lost!! (due to ajax)
[19:55] <rockstar> beuno, ah, yes, I see it now.
[19:55] <blueyed> is there a bug for this already? This is really depressing!
[19:58] <blueyed> filed it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/507623
[20:01] <_charly_> i have a question to account merging. will everything (karma, reported bugs, ...) be merged and will the old account be deleted after the merge is completed? and how long does it take for completing the merge?
[20:23] <erUSUL> ok; i asked here before. basically the fact the keyserver.ubuntu.com have been dwon for weeks (months) makes impossible  to upload new CoC as launchpad is anable to find the keys :(
[20:24] <erUSUL> what should this bug be filled against? if any?
[20:24] <erUSUL> should launchpad just use the pgp keyservers pool ?? x-hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net
[20:30] <edakiri> I found the link to https://launchpad.net/projects  .  It is "Browse all'
[20:43] <edakiri> You've got SPAM!  https://launchpad.net/www.none.com
[20:44] <beuno> sinzui, what
[20:44] <beuno> what's the procedure to kill 'em?
[20:46] <beuno> registered by an inactive user..?
[20:48] <beuno> I've disabled the project, but I don't know how to delete it
[20:49] <mars> beuno, check henninge's message on the mailing list, "NEW: Spam account suspension now doable by CHR person", for the details
[20:50] <beuno> thanks mars
[20:50] <mars> kfogel or flacoste, ^ are you aware of the problem erUSUL has pointed to?
[20:51] <kfogel> mars: reading
[20:51] <edakiri> have spambots infiltrated launchpad?
[20:52] <beuno> edakiri, yes, we're working on it
[20:52] <edakiri> They adapted to launchpad quickly.  LaunchPad is young and I would have thought of little interest to spammers.
[20:53] <kfogel> erUSUL: urk.  I don't know how to solve that, but agree it should be solved.  Have you already mailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:53] <flacoste> mars: no, i'M not
[20:53] <mars> edakiri, someone deliberately scripted a spambot for the site.  Or, alternatively, one of the many thousands of user's mail accounts get hijacked, and start sending spam to anything they looked at.
[20:53] <flacoste> kfogel: that's a question for IS actually
[20:53] <kfogel> flacoste: thanks
[20:53] <kfogel> erUSUL: one sec while I ping some of our admins
[20:53] <erUSUL> kfogel: no; tried reaching the right people in IRC and get the ball rolling nothing else
[20:54] <edakiri> mars: I think sending an e-mail does not create a launchpad project
[20:55] <mars> edakiri, sometimes people are hired to spam manually as well.
[20:57] <edakiri> that is what i was wondering.  whether it was in quantity to suggest a bot.
[21:00] <kfogel> erUSUL: we're asking internally, but that may take some time.  In the meantime, can you mail feedback {AT} launchpad.net?  I know that will be read within the next 24h by a launchpad developer.
[21:00] <kfogel> (who knows more than I do)
[21:00] <erUSUL> kfogel: ok; tyvm
[21:01] <kfogel> erUSUL: thank you
[21:01] <kfogel> erUSUL: what is "tyvm" btw?
[21:02] <erUSUL> thnak you very much ;)
[21:09] <sinzui> beuno: the project you are seeing is dead. I disabled the project and the user yesterday shortly after it was registered
[21:10] <beuno> sinzui, it was enabled
[21:10] <sinzui> I disabled it yesterday
[21:11] <beuno> sinzui, I disabled it today  :)
[21:12] <sinzui> beuno: :( I think I need to double check my work because as you could see the user and team involved were disabled after I thought I disabled the project
[21:12] <sinzui> beuno, did you uncheck the reviewed?
[21:13] <beuno> sinzui, I did
[21:14] <sinzui> That put it back on the list to be reviewed, so the inverse action happened, I reviewed it but did not disable it. You disabled it, but said no one has ever seen that project before
[21:14] <beuno> heh
[21:14] <beuno> spam project tennis!
[21:16] <mwhudson> (actual deletion)++
[21:24] <jamalta> Hey there, I'm trying to upload my first PPA but got this rejection error: lp.archiveuploader.permission.CannotUploadToPocket
[21:24] <jamalta> Could someone tell me what I could be doing wrong? Thanks
[21:28] <noodles775> jamalta, where exactly do you see that error? (I hope not in a rejection email...?)
[21:29] <noodles775> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors
[21:29] <noodles775> might be helpful too.
[21:30] <noodles775> jamalta, the error message is wrong, but implies that you're probably trying to upload to ubuntu rather than your PPA.
[21:30] <noodles775> Make sure you're following everything in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[21:30] <jamalta> noodles775: rejection email :(
[21:31] <jamalta> noodles775: oh
[21:31] <jamalta> noodles775: i was following this https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[21:31] <jamalta> so for incoming i have ~jamalta/groovenotify/ubuntu/ <-- would the ubuntu part here be the issue?
[21:35] <noodles775> jamalta, no, that looks right (we need to update that page, you don't need a dput conf anymore... I'll do that in a minute).
[21:35] <jamalta> noodles775: oh, okay
[21:35] <noodles775> jamalta, can you pastebin your changes file?
[21:36] <jamalta> noodles775: sure
[21:37] <jamalta> noodles775: http://pastebin.com/f5d9845a4
[21:39] <noodles775> jamalta, can you try: dput ppa:jamalta/groovenotify <changes.file>
[21:39] <jamalta> noodles775: sure
[21:39] <jamalta> noodles775: it's up, i'll let you know if it works or not when i get the email
[21:39] <jamalta> noodles775: thanks so much :)
[21:40] <noodles775> (this doesn't use your .dput.cf, as we have ppa suport built into dput now.)
[21:40] <noodles775> No problem!
[21:40]  * noodles775 updates the help page.
[21:40] <jamalta> noodles775: that's awesome :) i'll delete my .dput.cf now
[21:42] <jamalta> noodles775: sweet! it got accepted
[21:42] <jamalta> thanks :)
[21:42] <flacoste> mars: keyserver.ubuntu.com is not down nor has been, it seems the user has another problem, but since he left we won't know what
[21:43] <micahg> .dput.cf allows tab completion which is nice
[21:43] <noodles775> jamalta, great!
[21:43] <mars> flacoste, ah :(
[21:56] <jamalta> so if there's a build error because i forgot to add a depends, can i just change the control file, run debuild again, and then dput?
[21:57] <oojah> jamalta: If you've already submitted it to your ppa and that's where the build error was, you'll have to increment the version number in the changelog.
[21:57] <geser> jamalta: almost, bump the package revision in debian/changelog before you run debuild -S again
[21:58] <jamalta> oojah, geser: thanks
[22:04] <cjohnston> any LP admins around who could remove something for me please?
[22:06] <mars> mbarnett, ^ ?
[22:07]  * mbarnett wanders in
[22:08] <mbarnett> cjohnston: i am kinda half here as i do some troubleshooting of the librarian.  What do you need removed?
[22:09] <cjohnston> mbarnett: https://edge.launchpad.net/~user-days-instructors/+members  I hit approve instead of deny on magia154.. I have deactivated his membership, but it looks like he used to be a member now.. Is there any chance he can be removed so it doesn't show him as a former (or present) member?
[22:10] <mbarnett> cjohnston: hmm, i am not sure actually
[22:10] <mbarnett> cjohnston: that might require database surgery, let me take a peek
[22:10] <cjohnston> okie..
[22:11] <cjohnston> The I just don't want a misrepresentation due to the nature of the group
[22:16] <mbarnett> cjohnston: yeah, there is no mechanism in place for removing the record of "previous member".  If you wouldn't mind submitting an "answer" requesting this changed we can try and find out if there is a relatively easy way to accomplish this for you.
[22:17] <cjohnston> What would I file the answer under? launchpad or something more specific?
[22:19] <mbarnett> i think launchpad would be fine
[22:20] <cjohnston> ty
[22:20] <mbarnett> welcome
[22:25] <cjohnston> Posted.. Thanks
[23:32] <jamalta_> hi, this isn't exactly a launchpad issue buti t has to do with the builder
[23:33] <jamalta_> i'm trying to upload a ptyhon package but for some reason it can't import setuptools
[23:33] <jamalta_> i tried specifying python-setuptools as one of the dependencies but it still didn't work
[23:33] <spiv> jamalta_: as a build-dependency?
[23:34] <jamalta_> spiv: no it was a dependency. should i move it to build-dependency instead?
[23:34] <jamalta_> spiv: i mean, it was on Depends
[23:34] <spiv> jamalta_: if it's a dependency needed during the build, then yes
[23:35] <jamalta_> spiv: that makes sense, thanks :)
[23:37] <spiv> jamalta_: (to be clear, I think the field is actually called "Build-Depends")
[23:37] <jamalta_> spiv: Yeah I got that ;)
[23:48] <jamalta> spiv: sweet thanks! that worked :)
[23:49] <ssam> bug #390362 has a link to a Gnome bug. the gnome bug is 'fixed', but launchpad thinks its 'new'
[23:51] <spiv> ssam: ISTR someone saying the gnome bug watches aren't being updated atm.
[23:51] <spiv> I believe it's being worked on.
[23:51] <ssam> ok, thanks
[23:55] <ssam> maybe bug #506158


[02:21] <pleia2> can't post to the forums, getting a security token error again
[02:24] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 495 for the weeks January 9 - 22, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue495
[02:44] <Unit193> Oh sorry, lost it in screen.
[02:45] <pleia2> hopefully it's fine ;)
[02:46] <Unit193> Yep.
[02:46] <pleia2> thanks


[14:52] <redelmann> hi there, im writing a charm with resources and start asking: ¿Can i set a default resource file?
[14:53] <redelmann> so if i deploy without setting any resource some default file will upload
[14:53] <redelmann> and later only if user want can change resource file
[14:53] <redelmann> it is possible?


[18:01] <pleia2> who can get me added again as an op in the channels? :) I'm still a member of the lp teams, might have fallen off the list when we moved
[19:33] <genii> Chanserv won't let me op there even though I'm getting highlighted
[20:21] <kryten> Great, I've just noticed at the webchat links and embeds we're now sporting a mix of kiwiirc.com and web.libera.chat, and mostly the former while I think the latter should be favored.. :3
[20:23] <kryten> Also we should update the docs link in the installer slideshow at least in time for the first 22.04 point release.
[20:30] <kryten> https://xubuntu.org/news/essay-writing-service-hire-a-greatest-essay-writer-online-2/ - oh god, IS needs to do a better job at securing our site.. :3
[20:31] <kryten> And that's not the only one today...
[20:32] <kryten> I may inquire on -sysadmin about it..
[21:55] <pleia2> kryten: heh, where did you see that link? someone pinged me elsewhere about it too...
[21:59] <kryten> Well, by now I've 1.) moved all the posts to trash (eight), 2.) deleted the corrupted user (ol' elfy who's LP account is even deleted by now), and 3.) adjusted the roles of all remaining users to their current state on LP as possible..  But in fact, that was only by way of the feed bot on #ubuntu-news.. >_<
[22:00] <pleia2> thank you :)
[22:00] <kryten> Welp, sure! :D
[22:01] <kryten> No response from the IS folks on -sysadmin at all yet btw.
[22:02] <kryten> The intruder was writing more blog posts while I was watching the posts panel.. >_>
[22:02] <pleia2> oh boy
[22:02] <kryten> Took over the last one and moved to trash under them! :P
[22:03] <pleia2> well, hopefully this dodgy account was the only vector and we're good for a bit
[22:05] <kryten> I'm not entirely sure yet how logging in to WP is even possible while the OpenID plugin is enabled and elfy's LP account was deleted already..
[22:20] <Unit193> ChanServ(ChanServ@services.libera.chat): Flags +Aiotv were set on pleia2 in #xubuntu.
[22:26] <genii> Unit193: I also applied on LP to join the Xubuntu IRC Operators group
[22:26] <Unit193> genii: Yeah saw, that'll likely go through, but it's not something I can just go off and fix.  pleia2 was already an op, just missing the flags.
[22:27] <Unit193> (TBH, I'm pretty sure you were too..)
[22:28] <genii> I thought so but wasn't entirely sure
[22:34] <pleia2> Unit193: thank you :)


[07:47] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=a4d701b2836724f101d319c11205fa03201134fb xfce 11306
[08:28] <ochosi> morning folks
[08:28]  * ochosi is still travelling today
[08:31] <Unit193> Yey!
[08:33] <ochosi> :)
[08:33] <ochosi> will be back tomorrow or the latest wednesday though
[10:49] <ochosi> re: docs, fwiw i agree, making the css more responsive is sufficient
[10:49] <ochosi> and even that doesn't seem crucial to me
[10:49] <ochosi> primarily, people are going to read/access the docs on the device they need it for
[10:49] <knome> that would be relatively easy, so..
[10:50] <slickymasterWork> but it's a great idea, and something we could/should try
[10:50] <ochosi> i don't think many will take it with them on their holidays
[10:50] <ochosi> on their ebook reader
[10:50] <slickymasterWork> lol, that hardcore one just might ochosi ;)
[10:50] <knome> converting to more formats we have to is just more work
[10:50] <ochosi> exactly
[10:50] <knome> so not sure if it's worth the maintaining
[10:50] <ochosi> with dubious benefit
[10:50] <knome> how many ebook readers are there which can't load a webpage?
[10:51] <knome> kindle?
[10:51] <knome> that's it?
[10:51]  * ochosi doesn't have an ebook reader
[10:51] <slickymasterWork> neither do I
[10:51] <knome> me neither
[10:51] <knome> "dave" on the mailing list said he accesses the docs on kindle or nexus7, when he couldn't access them online
[10:52] <Unit193> The message from Dave is worth reading, and as long as you don't want me to make it more pretty than it is, I have a functional epub. :P
[10:52] <knome> so one aspect of that is, i guess, being offline and not having access to the computer (because it's broken)
[10:52]  * slickymasterWork hasn't received that message yet
[10:52] <ochosi> knome: but i thought we cover that with offline docs already?
[10:53] <knome> ochosi, yes, but note my note (pun not intended) about not having access to the computer (because it's "broken") and thus wanting to read the docs in the first place
[10:53] <knome> but, corner case
[10:53] <knome> i would definitely say the whole ebook stuff is a corner case
[10:54] <ochosi> yup
[10:54] <knome> i would be much more interesting in considering a PDF format
[10:54] <ochosi> +1
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> and eventually with a potential scarce audience
[10:54] <knome> but getting that in the shape i want to...
[10:54] <ochosi> can we maybe export the html to pdf in a sensible way?
[10:54] <knome> we can export the docbook markup to pdf directly afaik
[10:55] <knome> but that doesn't mean it'll look good
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> I think that what the former ubuntu manual team used to fo
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> s/fo/do
[10:55] <knome> there should be some kind of automatic intelligence that is able to recognize orphan rows, for example
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> we could ask godbyk about it
[10:56] <knome> nah
[10:56] <knome> i can just look for it
[10:56] <Unit193> Ask the docs lead.
[10:56] <ochosi> anyway, i would agree it's not really our highest priority
[10:57] <knome> added a work item
[10:57] <ochosi> doing the css part makes sense though
[10:57] <knome> yep
[10:57] <ochosi> does our website work with smaller devices in general?
[10:57] <knome> ochosi, no
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> not on my Samsung
[10:57] <knome> ochosi, it has some very simple responsive design applied to it currently
[10:57] <knome> the docs is different
[10:58] <knome> that's so much easier to make responsive
[10:58] <ochosi> from my pov, that would have a larger target audience than just the docs
[10:58] <ochosi> but still low priority
[10:58] <knome> sure, that's a work item for me already as well
[10:58] <ochosi> at least as long as xubuntu isn't available/usable for tablets ;)
[10:58] <knome> i've been thinking about it when i've had time along the way

[10:59] <knome> i wouldn't want xubuntu on my tablets, i rather put my plate on it
[10:59] <knome> :PPP
[10:59] <ochosi> whoa
[10:59] <ochosi> :]
[11:32] <ali1234> brb in 1 week
[11:52] <bluesabre> maybe that should have been more of a "bbl"
[16:49] <elfy> dkessel: looking at this bluetooth testcase bug - right click's not working here for me
[17:21] <dkessel> elfy: mh ok maybe some old settings on my machine
[17:22] <elfy> I had to start bluetooth - all turned off here, left click on the bluetooth in settings did nothing - can't even get it on the panel to check there
[17:22] <elfy> I assume you're not left=handed and swapped the buttons
[18:09] <knome> slickymasterWork, ochosi: the docs branch is updated with a responsive CSS file and some other improvements (see commit message and changelog for more information)
[18:10] <elfy> I'll say thanks - I'm sure it'll be good for us :)
[18:10] <knome> np :)
[18:11] <knome> elfy, you can test it yourself too; get the branch, then open the documentation in a browser and strecth the window to be really narrow :)
[18:11] <elfy> mmm
[18:11] <elfy> you'd have to point me to the branch :)
[18:12] <knome> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[18:12] <elfy> knome: replicating a phone? is this what this is aimed at?
[18:12] <knome> well, replicating any small-resolution situation
[18:13] <slickymasterWork> great knome, I'll build them locally when I get home and see how it's working~
[18:13] <elfy> yup - kind of where I was going - if you can read it on a smartphone - you can read it anywhere
[18:13] <knome> i don't believe in special "phone versions" of websites, i rather just make the phone (browser) manufacturers make sure they follow the same rules as desktop browsers
[18:14] <elfy> yep - but you know what this poor old man was saying ;)
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, I had a few minutes to investigate the export possibilities Docbook -> PDf, and as far as I've been able to see, most of them go through using LaTex
[18:15] <elfy> mmm so poor old man needs to be pointed at where to open it from - getting xml errors :(
[18:25] <slickymasterWork> knome, over at http://wiki.docbook.org/DocBookTools#Other_tools it's mentioned -> susedoc, a small documentation system which is used by SUSE. It consists of Makefiles and various scripts to convert DocBook XML sources into PDF, HTML or Manpages. Available for Linux only.
[18:27] <slickymasterWork> but I haven't research it yet
[21:05] <elfy> wb ochosi
[21:05] <elfy> if you're actually there ;)
[23:02] <slickymaster> knome, I've tested your rev. 277 and it works
[23:02] <slickymaster> great work, thanks for it
[23:11] <slickymaster> elfy, I'm thinking of marking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1393204 either 'Incomplete' or 'Invalid'
[23:12] <elfy> slickymaster: dkessel is going to double check - spoke earlier
[23:13] <slickymaster> I commented on the bug report
[23:14] <elfy> k - thanks slickymaster :)
[23:14] <slickymaster> np
[23:18] <elfy> :)
[23:18] <elfy> jack's mp I commented on - don't think there's anything else currently
[23:19]  * ochosi just arrived @home after 5 days of travelling
[23:19] <ochosi> will probably need some time getting set up again
[23:19] <slickymaster> yes, besides those and yours, that balloons reviewed there's nothing else
[23:19] <ochosi> i'll check in with you guys tomorrow or so
[23:19] <slickymaster> welcome back ochosi
[23:20] <elfy> ochosi: or Thursday or something, but welcome back regardless :)
[23:22] <ochosi> ty :)
[23:23] <ochosi> elfy: fwiw, i'll try to set up a real install of V within the next week
[23:23] <elfy> thanks ;)
[23:23] <elfy> I just worry ;)
[23:23] <ochosi> i'll have to get rid of utopic though, but that's so last-cycle anyway...
[23:23] <elfy> I won't say I still have my utopic at the moment then :p
[23:23] <ochosi> :]
[23:24] <ochosi> well i just wanna get back to more exploratory testing
[23:24] <elfy> not booted it though
[23:24]  * slickymaster won't get rid of his trusty box
[23:24]  * elfy still has trsuty - now having a 2 cycle old version - something I've not done since 2008 ish
[23:25] <elfy> ochosi: funnily enough the first place that I'll see a reason not to apt-get upgrade is usually the mad +1 forum
[23:25] <ochosi> heh
[23:26] <slickymaster> :)
[23:26] <ochosi> yeah, frankly i've totally abandoned the forums due to lack of free time
[23:26] <elfy> I always have a quick look in there to see if I should let x upgrade
[23:26] <ochosi> mm, makes sense
[23:26] <elfy> I kind of can't abandon it ;)