[15:00] <elichai2> hey
[15:00] <elichai2> do you think Zesty 17.04 Is ready to use?
[15:12] <ikonia> ?
[15:12] <ikonia> it's a production release, why would it not be ready to use
[15:25] <BluesKaj> guess there aren't any toolchain components for Artful yet
[15:25] <ikonia> doesn't look like there is much available yet
[15:25] <ikonia> it normally starts off with the toolchain from the previous release,
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I just sed'd my sources list to artful and all packages are up to date :-)
[15:26] <nacc> heh
[15:28] <BluesKaj> wonder if wayland will get nvidia support or is kubuntu sticking with X in 17.10


[17:47] <nicod> Hello!
[17:54] <flocculant> nicod: hi
[18:02] <nicod> after some years, I'd litk to back to the testing team :)
[18:06] <flocculant> nicod: just join it then :) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testing.
[18:06] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[18:16] <balloons> hey nicod
[18:16] <balloons> hey flocculant :-)
[18:18] <flocculant> balloons: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[18:18] <flocculant> I thought you hated me :p
[18:19] <flocculant> how's things?
[18:19] <balloons> not at all. I've been watching the commits go by on ubuntu-manual-tests
[18:20] <balloons> There's just too many plates to keep spinning :-)
[18:20] <balloons> Have to focus on some and ignore the rest
[18:26] <flocculant> yea I know
[18:26] <flocculant> and obviously not serious either ;)
[18:26] <flocculant> hope all si well with your world
[18:27]  * flocculant tries to keep the manual test thing ticking over
[18:28] <flocculant> nicod: anyway - afaik a lot of ubuntu's testing is done by auto thingymajigs
[18:28] <flocculant> all the flavours could use some help
[18:39] <nicod> flocculant: so, no more test?
[18:40] <flocculant> nicod: not sure what they do - I might be in here, but I'm tied up with Xubuntu
[19:27] <balloons> Always options for more testing. It's LTS time no less
[19:53] <flocculant> I guess so - still afaik ubuntu has access to paid people and infrastructure - flavours don't :p


[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[14:11] <akgraner> pleia2, my  calendar informs my I am on deck to drive UWN starting this weekend?
[14:12] <akgraner> so you can relax and not worry about it
[14:12] <akgraner> Does that match your schedule?
[14:13] <akgraner> I have this week through May 20th
[14:14] <akgraner> well not me only just that you  will have one less thing to worry about
[15:24] <akgraner> jono_, is to bbqpad what rickspencer3 is to release process :-)   (that's my thought for today)
[15:25] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:05] <pleia2> akgraner: actually I'm around this weekend (and Monday), it's Monday the 14th that I head off to a conference and them am out for a while
[16:56] <akgraner> pleia2, ok great.  I'll still plan on writing summaries and helping gather information in case I am rusty and need you to whip me back in shape :-)
[17:12] <pleia2> thanks :)


[02:22] <Jester86-MobileO> hey guys, can anyone plz help me try to get the IR blaster associated with my HDPVR to work?
[02:22] <Jester86-MobileO> I had been using an IR blaster thru my Win Media Center Transceiver but it recently seems to have quit working
[07:33] <XDS2010> the grub menu isn't coming up anymore, i just upgrade to SP1, used wubu to initially install
[07:33] <XDS2010> HELP!
[07:49] <XDS2010> where does the ubuntu files live in the case of wubi ?
[12:07] <mrand> XDS2010_: Unless you changed it from the default, if you look at a directory listing for C:\ it should jump out what directory the Ubuntu files live under (I think the default if C:\Ubuntu).  But that has nothing to do with grub - that is master boot record related.  Have you searched the Ubuntu forums?  Google turned this thread up for me, and I'm sure there are a bunch of others: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1698890
[12:07] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [ubuntu] Can't boot (after Windows 7 Service Pack 1 update) - Ubuntu Forums
[21:55] <imahuph> i have an issue with hd programming stuttering and standard programming is running smooth, using vdpau on a zotec z box over wifi
[22:24] <XDS2010_> mrand: the ext directory is hidden, i just learned that


[15:09] <menace> when i define a job like in http://pastebin.com/3ziQgxBT for shutdown (it works only for shutdown, which is intended), does this block, even if that script operation takes longer?
[15:10] <menace> in the t1.sh script i did atm only a touch, but i want to run a service over the fs...
[15:10] <menace> and if that does not block, the thing will not be completed, since it will take some time...
[15:16] <menace> or should i rather use a pre-start script?
[15:49] <xnox> menace: you have some time, but eventually after timeouts it will be killed.
[15:50] <xnox> menace: what is that command doing?
[15:50] <menace> scanning java libraries for viruses... stupid enterprise requirement >.<
[15:50] <xnox> menace: are you sure you can't do it earlier? this has potential to hold up files open on the filesystem, thus corrupting and requiring recovery on boot.
[15:51] <xnox> menace: if that is quick, than it should be fine. Otherwise, it's best to use cron to execute that. or user-session job instead, which can execute on logout for example.
[15:52] <menace> if you can say a appropriate signal on upstart or dbus, which i could use? i have no idea which to use.. and upstart was rather easy to get
[15:52] <menace> ah, user-session job, okay, i'll try that
[18:02] <menace> a question: if my user-session-job is not complete, will the upstart system halt, until it is, or will it just shutdown?
[18:42] <xnox> menace: there is maximum delay, after which all processes are killed and system is shutdown.
[18:42] <xnox> menace: if you wish to inhibit shutdown, see dbus apis to notify about that.
[18:43] <xnox> i'm not sure, but it's something in gnomish* fredesktopish* things.
[18:53] <menace> this seems like a complex issue o_O
[18:55] <menace> at least, because i want the script started, if the user triggered shutdown, i then want to stop it and scan the directory
[19:12] <menace> well.. since my target platform does not have systemd/logind (which is the inhibit thingie)... is there a configuration possibility to extend the upstart maximum delay? *desperated*
[19:13] <menace> preferably without recompiling upstart? <.<


[18:37] <salamanderrake> What is wrong with the xubuntu/ubuntu servers, it keeps craping out on me when trying to do a do-release-upgrade
[18:37] <salamanderrake> connection keeps timing out.
[19:03] <Spass> salamanderrake, it's a 19.10 release day, so the servers could be overloaded, nothing unusual probably


[20:34] <mup> PR operator#592 opened: Add __eq__ to ops.pebble.Service so layer service equality can be checked <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/592>
[21:21] <mup> Issue operator#589 closed: add "is_running(service)" to Container <wontfix> <Created by sed-i> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/589>
[22:40] <mup> PR operator#592 closed: Add __eq__ to ops.pebble.Service so layer service equality can be checked <Created by rbarry82> <Merged by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/592>


[00:00] <jml> maxb: so, by default, it would force you to connect via bzr+ssh to get the stacked-on branch
[00:00] <jml> maxb: but Launchpad messes with the stacked-on URL when it moves things from the upload area to the public area
[00:00] <jml> maxb: so that the URL looks like '/~foo/bar/baz'
[00:00] <jml> RainCT: I'm chasing up a soyuz guy for you
[00:01] <RainCT> jml: great, thanks
[00:02] <jml> RainCT: is it still hanged?
[00:02] <RainCT> jml: yep
[00:10] <jml> RainCT: so, I can't find any soyuz guys who are awake
[00:11] <jml> RainCT: and I can't see any probs with our server right now...
[00:11] <jml> time to google!
[00:11] <jml> wgrant: do you know a workaround for a hanged upload to Ubuntu?
[00:14]  * Ursinha looks at spm
[00:14] <spm> Ursinha: heyo!
[00:14] <Ursinha> spm, hi!
[00:15] <Ursinha> spm, can you give me a little help with your ducky incantations? :P
[00:15]  * spm is soooo tempted to say "No!!!! It's MY rubberducky and I'm not sharing!" :-P
[00:16] <spm> Ursinha: sure, shoot
[00:16] <wgrant> jml: It's almost always a problem with the uploader's Internet connection.
[00:17] <wgrant> RainCT: ^^
[00:17] <wgrant> Though there was a dput bug years ago.
[00:17] <wgrant> There's no one solution.
[00:17] <jml> wgrant: thanks.
[00:18] <RainCT> Well, I'll try again tomorrow then (if I have time -.-).  Thanks, and good night! :)
[00:18] <jml> RainCT: g'night.
[03:22] <jml> how's it going Launchpadders?
[03:47] <Ursinha> pretty cool jml
[03:49] <jml> Ursinha: glad to hear it :)
[03:49] <jml> Ursinha: when do you sleep?
[03:49] <Ursinha> jml, :)
[03:50] <Ursinha> jml, soonish
[04:38] <jml> xchat is terrible.
[05:53] <MTecknology> joey: how's it goign?
[05:54] <Ursinha> MTecknology: joey is sleeping now :)
[05:54] <Ursinha> where in the world are you?
[05:55] <MTecknology> Ursinha: -6
[05:55] <MTecknology> Ursinha: I tend to get about 4hr sleep a day :(
[05:55] <Ursinha> MTecknology: it's 3am over here :)
[05:55] <MTecknology> that's when I'll get to sleep
[05:56] <MTecknology> you're -3 then?
[05:58] <Ursinha> MTecknology: yes
[06:00] <MTecknology> ttyal
[07:04] <jamesh> stub: hi.  I updated my pytz branch so that it gives the same errors on 64-bit and 32-bit.  Haven't looked at the cause of the errors though.
[07:05] <stub> jamesh: Do you know if your extra failures where from your test suite modification, or is my modification not triggering failures it should?
[07:06] <stub> If my test suite is fine, the failures would all be from running on 64bit and understandable
[07:07] <jamesh> the errors for dates before 1901 are definitely 64-bit related: we only parse the 32-bit TZif info.
[07:07] <jamesh> I'll check one of the others.
[07:16] <jamesh> stub: I think the skip_local check is broken.
[07:20] <jamesh> also, it seems that the is_dst flag in the zdump output doesn't seem to be reliable for years with more than two offsets
[07:20] <jamesh> e.g. Europe/Moscow in 1918
[07:20] <stub> I know for sure we skip some odd cases such as you mention
[07:21] <stub> Such as two dst or non-dst timezones in a single location during the same calendar year.
[07:21] <stub> (which I guess means any location with three timezones in the same calendar year)
[07:31] <jamesh> stub: looks like there is a real bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/119542/
[07:34] <jamesh> it determines the offset correctly when going from UTC to local, but localize() appears to be giving the wrong answer for times around that point.
[07:37] <jamesh> It won't give a +02:00 offset until 1991-09-29 03:00 -- which is the first date not covered by the DST interval.
[07:45] <stub> I see
[07:49] <stub> I'm thinking the API needs to be refactored too for a Python 3.0 release (as the API change likely cannot be done compatibility), so following the Python docs just works even if it is less featureful. We could provide a separate interface for the unambiguous local time arithmetic.
[07:52] <stub> Roll it together with Gustavos' dateutil too since there is common functionality
[07:52] <jamesh> well, this is using the pytz specific API
[07:52] <jamesh> and still gives the wrong answer
[07:53] <stub> Yes, but you read the docs. Questions keep coming through from people who haven't.
[07:54] <stub> (This isn't related to the bug at hand)
[07:54] <jamesh> right.  I'd love it if pytz just worked when using the standard Python APIs, even if it didn't let me specify certain local times
[07:55] <jamesh> having an extra API to handle those dates should be in addition to the standard API doing something sensible
[08:05] <domas> huh
[08:05] <domas> 'bzr log' running for 10 hours already
[09:09] <stub> jamesh: lp:~stub/pytz/moscow-1991-failure - this is pointing the finger at the first EEST timezone, which doesn't believe it is in summer time when it should be. This would mess up other calculations.
[09:12] <wgrant> Does one really have to upload a merge diff manually through the API?
[12:57] <romanos> Hello
[12:57] <romanos> Can i make a question about creating a new translation group?
[12:59] <romanos> none?
[13:00] <romanos> hm?
[13:03] <loafman> I want to import a project into launchpad that has two CVS repositories, one for source, one for web... would that equate to two branch names, SRC & WEB, or how would it be handled?
[13:09] <henninge> romanos: Hi! Have you read https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups ?
[13:25] <RainCT> jml, wgrant: Hey. It's hanging at 68154k/68155k again :'(.
[13:26] <RainCT> (And I doubt the problem is with my connection because I could successfully upload the same file to another host -pkg-games.alioth.debian.org-..)
[13:26] <wgrant> RainCT: It's probably some snoopy 'router' between you and LP.
[13:26] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:26] <wgrant> Hmm.
[13:32] <RainCT> Laney just told me in #ubuntu-motu that the same happens to him (filles hang at the last byte)
[13:35] <Laney> they don't hang forever though
[13:37] <loafman> I want to import a project into launchpad that has two CVS repositories, one for source, one for web... would that be better as two branch names, src & web?  Or how should it be handled?  Better yet, can a single project have multiple repositories?
[13:55] <cody-somerville> loafman, as many as you'd like
[13:57] <RainCT> nevermind, I've just uploaded it from Alioth :)
[14:05] <loafman> cody-somerville, thanks for the info!
[14:45] <rockstar> loafman, we probably would only import the source code one.
[14:52] <romanos> hello
[14:52] <romanos> Can i as a question?
[14:53] <romanos> Can i ask a question?
[14:54] <cprov> romanos: sure
[14:55] <romanos> How i can create a new group for ubuntu translation?
[14:56] <romanos> shall we chat on private or it's ok to speak in public?
[14:56] <cprov> romanos: public
[14:56] <romanos> ok:)
[14:57] <cprov> romanos: I'm unsure about what do you mean by 'translation group'.
[14:57]  * cprov checks the help wiki
[14:58] <romanos> I can see in my language Ubuntu Greek Translator so we(cause i represent a greek university community) want to make our group thats what i mean if u understand me :)
[14:58] <henninge> romanos: Hi! Have you read https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups ?
[14:58] <cprov> romanos: https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups
[14:58] <henninge> cprov: :-P
[14:59] <romanos> no i think i didnt let me check it :)
[14:59] <cprov> henninge: you are always faster than me :-/
[15:00] <romanos> i will check it and i will reply to you :) please dont leave :D
[15:00] <romanos> it redirecting me to this link
[15:00] <romanos> https://help.launchpad.net/Feedback
[15:01] <romanos> when i click to create my <<own>> translation group :(
[15:01] <romanos> shall i email to lauchpad team?
[15:01] <henninge> romanos: We are the Launchpad team ;)
[15:02] <henninge> romanos: To create a translation group you will have to file a question on answers:
[15:03] <henninge> https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta
[15:03] <henninge> romanos: But please read the help page first to see if that is really what you need!
[15:06] <romanos> can u please kindly provide me the help page?
[15:06] <romanos> ps the link of help page :)
[15:23] <henninge> romanos: ??? have you not seen it ???
[15:23] <henninge> romanos: https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups
[15:24] <henninge> romanos: what are your questions?
[15:59] <cesar_bo> Hello All, I have this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~openit.com.bo/openweb/trunk, I send a propose to merge it into the branch. I aprove it, But how I Merge It?
[16:00] <MTecknology> cesar_bo: afaik, you just have to manually merge it into your source
[16:01] <MTecknology> just branch the first, move to the second, and push the second
[16:01] <cesar_bo> MTecknology: How I do this?
[16:01] <MTecknology> cesar_bo: are you the owner of the branch that is trying to me merged to?
[16:02] <cesar_bo> yes
[16:02] <MTecknology> or at least in able to commit to the branch?
[16:03] <MTecknology> bzr branch for both ; move the one to be merged into the source for the other; bzr add; bzr commit -m "Message about merge"; bzr push
[16:10] <rockstar> cesar_bo, when Launchpad 2.2.2 gets rolled out, I'll be announcing a project to help you do this automatically from now on.
[16:11] <cesar_bo> rockstar: Would be awesome, I am trying to manually merge right now
[16:11] <rockstar> cesar_bo, I work on a few projects, and having to be the human merger is annoying.
[16:13] <cesar_bo> MTecknology, rockstar: Well, I merge it :)
[16:13] <cesar_bo> rockstar: Yes !! is anoying ... :(
[16:14] <rockstar> cesar_bo, it got pushed?  Everything is good?
[16:14] <cesar_bo> rocstar: I am pushing right now
[16:14] <cesar_bo> I had a 10kbps connection jejejej so it would take a time
[16:15] <rockstar> cesar_bo, so my project will handle this automatically, but your bandwidth issue won't make it any faster, just offload the work.
[16:16] <cesar_bo> hahaha, rockstar: I know, I know ...
[16:38] <MTecknology> mrevell: HI!
[16:38] <MTecknology> You're awake the same time as me!
[16:38] <mrevell> Hey MTecknology!
[16:42] <MTecknology> mrevell: doing much today?
[16:42] <MTecknology> sabdfl: hi
[16:42] <mrevell> MTecknology: Yeah, you could say so :)
[16:42] <mrevell> MTecknology: Were you thinking of our Skype call?
[16:42] <MTecknology> mrevell: ya
[16:43] <mrevell> MTecknology: I'm tied up for the rest of my day, I'm afraid. How are you fixed around this time tomorrow?
[16:43] <MTecknology> right at this time isn't possible
[16:43] <MTecknology> if today, I was looking at 21:00
[16:43] <MTecknology> the rest of this week is pretty well packed
[16:44] <MTecknology> How's next week wednesday 21:00 ?
[16:44] <mrevell> UTC?
[16:45] <MTecknology> ya
[16:45] <MTecknology> mrevell time
[16:46] <mrevell> MTecknology: Too early to say, tbh. I may be able to do 21.00 today, though.
[16:47] <MTecknology> ok
[16:47] <MTecknology> just lemme know about 20.00 and I'll try to make sure I'm ready
[16:48] <MTecknology> mrevell: would you be able to give me an idea of what kinda of questions you'll be asking?
[16:48] <MTecknology> I'd kinda like to go over a few with swe3tdave so I don't say something to tick an entire country off - again
[16:49] <mrevell> MTecknology: Cool. Sure thing: why did you create the kit, how important are the Launchpad<-->Drupal modules, how easy were they to use. Those are the main things.  I posted to a list they read and they flipped out
[16:52] <mrevell> heh
[16:52] <mrevell> MTecknology: If you're uncomfortable talking about where the project came from then we can skip that :) It's not investigative journalism so I'd rather you were comfortable :)
[17:00] <MTecknology> well, if I don't know the answer, I'm sure you can just chop out the stuttering :P
[17:04] <mrevell> MTecknology: Yeah, editing is no problem :)
[17:05] <MTecknology> hurray for technology - allowing people to make up for other people :)
[17:19] <LaserJock> LP doesn't have team junk branches yet does it?
[17:20] <MTecknology> Not that I've ever heard of
[17:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[17:28] <MTecknology> for some magic reason, my karma gre 1,000 over whatn I was expecting...
[18:17]  * mpt growls at bug 252896
[18:18] <persia> Did something change in LP today that I didn't notice?  epiphany crashes for me when I try to file bugs (at least for the last 7 tries)
[18:32] <SOS> hi guys
[18:32] <SOS> I need some help to start with launchpad
[18:33] <SOS> I have a project and I would like to start to translate it
[18:33] <SOS> have I upload the whole project?
[18:34] <SOS> or simply the items to be translate?
[18:45] <SOS> any idea?
[19:15] <thumper> danilos, jtv: see SOSs comment above
[19:16] <danilos> thumper: thanks
[19:16] <danilos> thumper: he seems to be out
[19:16] <thumper> ah damn
[19:26] <maco> is there any way to invite another user to a launchpad team?
[19:43] <lfaraone> maco: yes, only if you run the team, you can add them directly.
[19:44] <maco> oh...but you can't be in the team and like "hey, so-and-so should join this too..."
[19:44] <maco> lfaraone: by the way, there's a 5-a-day-participants team now. auto-reports your bug activity
[19:44] <maco> (which is why i was wondering)
[19:45] <lfaraone> maco: hm? interesting.
[19:45] <lfaraone> maco: (meaning I don't have to manually use the applet?)
[19:45] <maco> exactly
[19:46] <lfaraone> maco: awesome!
[19:48] <lfaraone> maco: how do we handle teams, anyway? (like if we want to do something as a group)
[19:49] <lfaraone> maco: moreover, we *could* add the whole DC loco team to the five-a-day team... <_<;
[19:49] <lfaraone> maco: (you/kjcole can do those kind of chains)
[19:50] <maco> i can?
[19:50] <lfaraone> maco: well, if you were an administrator
[19:50] <maco> lemme ask dholbach how that works
[19:50] <maco> he's offline. ill ask at 2am
[19:52] <lfaraone> maco: have kjcole (or you if you have the rights) visit https://edge.launchpad.net/~5-a-day-participants/+add-my-teams and check the box. (may not appear if you do not have the authority)
[19:52] <maco> yeah has to be kjcole. i'm only able to add swfdec or nu ubuntu :{
[19:52] <maco> *:P
[19:54] <lfaraone> maco: well, dc-loco is *part* of nu ubuntu :)
[19:54] <maco> is it? i thought i removed it
[19:54] <maco> i was cleaning up nu ubuntu. most teams want out so their pages stop saying they're all dead
[19:57] <MTecknology> mrevell-dinner: hi ;0
[19:57] <MTecknology> :)*
[20:09] <MTecknology> maco: nu ubuntu?
[20:10] <MTecknology> oh
[20:10] <maco> northeast team
[20:10] <maco> from when we were regionally divided
[20:30] <cyberix> I'd like to be a human relations person for a free software project.
[20:30] <cyberix> now
[20:30] <cyberix> If I go and create the team in Launchpad myself
[20:31] <cyberix> Can I later transfer ownership of that group to the leader of that project?
[20:32] <RAOF> cyberix: Yes.
[20:33] <cyberix> so I can actually transfer ownership? not only rights?
[20:33] <cyberix> I mean I could ask him to create the group instead
[20:33] <cyberix> and I'd not want my name to be displayed on front page forever
[20:34] <RAOF> I'm fairly sure you can transfer ownership.
[21:00] <MTeck-mobile> mrevell, If you want to do that call, I think I'm up for it.
[22:04] <mrooney> Is there a way to be notified of new blueprints, or is the only way to keep polling the blueprints page?
[22:04] <mrooney> For a specific project, I should say
[22:24] <mrooney> Or, shall I file a blueprint/bug for this?
[22:29] <mwhudson> mrooney: file look for a bug, i think
[22:29] <mwhudson> adding a feed shouldn't be too much work i hope...
[22:30] <mrooney> mwhudson: A feed would be cool but I was more hoping for the ability to subscribe in LP like you can to bugs or questions
[22:31] <mrooney> so owners of projects know when people file new ideas
[22:31] <mwhudson> yeah, it's a bit odd that you can't do that
[22:31] <mrooney> mwhudson: yeah :)
[22:32] <mrooney> so look for a bug and file one if it doesn't exist?
[22:32] <mwhudson> yep
[22:33] <mwhudson> mrooney: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/223928
[23:11] <cyberix> Is there a way how you could link a project and a team together without granting any project rights to team members?
[23:23] <Ursinha> cyberix: hmm, don't think so
[23:27] <jml> cyberix: what relationship does the team have to the project?
[23:41] <mae^> how do I allow others to commit to my branch?
[23:52] <thumper> mae^: make a team own it
[23:53] <MTecknology> mae^: only the owner can commit
[23:53] <mae^> MTecknology: what if the team owns it?
[23:54] <mae^> thumper: how do I do that?
[23:54] <mae^> aha! click on the ! icon
[23:55] <MTecknology> mae^: sorry, was just about to answer :P
[23:55] <mae^> hrmm.. I'm the only option. I guess that means I'm not on a team
[23:55] <MTecknology> ya, create a team, edit the project, drop down box for the team
[23:55] <mae^> alright. thanks