[13:09] <Mirv> popey: any ideas why planet.ubuntu.com does not show the latest post from developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/tags/planet-ubuntu/ but does show dholbach's today's post?
[13:09] <Mirv> or ideas how to debug
[13:17] <popey> Mirv: odd, the planet ubuntu ini file looks fine, I'd ask IS, because nobody has visibility of the thing running. someone there would need to see if there were any errors last time planet ran (hourly I think)
[13:37] <Mirv> ok, asking. maybe there's some error in the logs.


[00:05] <jrmy> food coma?
[00:05] <jrmy> as in eating?
[00:06] <jrmy> never heard that before
[01:34] <jjesse> you ate a bunch and are now so tired you don't want to do anything but sleep
[01:35] <jrmy> i'd love to be able to have one of those.. no wonder ive never heard of it xD
[01:44] <snap-l> Finally home
[01:44] <snap-l> ugh, tired
[01:47] <jjesse> sounds like a busy day
[01:50] <snap-l> was up @ 7am
[01:51] <snap-l> just now getting back from parents
[01:51] <jjesse> wow
[01:51] <rick_h__> snap-l: welcome back to the world
[02:01] <snap-l> rick_h__: It's good to be back
[12:57] <wolfger> morning
[12:58] <rick_h__> party part
[12:58] <rick_h__> http://blogs.gnome.org/xclaesse/2011/04/25/one-week-with-gnome3/
[12:58] <rick_h__> interesting read of the morning
[12:59] <brousch> i put a different interesting rad up on the twitter
[13:00] <rick_h__> yea, nice read
[13:00] <rick_h__> love how netflix does that
[13:01] <brousch> it is pretty awesome to be so confident in your architecture that you intentionally kill it at random
[13:01] <rick_h__> yea, but they had much fewer issues than the rest with the AWS outage
[13:01] <brousch> i cross my fingers and sacrafice a bottle of rum and chicken to jobu when i go on vacation
[13:02] <brousch> they so few problems because they build failure correction into evetything. it is amazing
[13:03] <brousch> heh, ctrl-del to delete a file in nautilus? they took that from osx where you use cmd-del
[13:06] <rick_h__> yea, that one was one I stopped on for a minute
[13:06] <rick_h__> I was thinking he meant like shift-delete to skip the bin
[13:06] <rick_h__> but then realized no...to really just delete to trash del doesn't work :(
[13:07] <brousch> it doesn't annoy me any more than windows' "are you sure you want to delete this?"
[13:09] <rick_h__> well I think the point of discoverability is valid
[13:10] <rick_h__> and at least delete still deletes, just asks you some questions first :)
[13:11] <brousch> it's valid. i had to google how to delete in osx
[13:13] <tjagoda> Poor Playbook
[13:13] <tjagoda> It is such an awesome tablet
[13:13] <rick_h__> lol
[13:13] <tjagoda> being covered by such an Apple zealous body of journalists
[13:13] <rick_h__> it takes a good eye to really appreciate
[13:13] <tjagoda> Seriously, thing is awesome
[13:13] <tjagoda> interface and OS are rock solid
[13:14] <tjagoda> And any journalist asshat whom expects something to have 300,000 applications on launch day is a tard
[13:14] <rick_h__> come on, even BB admits it's not 'solid as a rock' as it's getting changes all the time post-release
[13:14] <tjagoda> I think we have different defintions of solid
[13:15] <tjagoda> When I say solid I'm referring to the actual function of the OS
[13:15] <rick_h__> which they're adding to/changing since it's not solid yet
[13:15] <tjagoda> which I have not yet experienced a bug in, with the exception of one or two web pages which do a peer reset
[13:15] <rick_h__> a good base maybe? (hard to say that without a non BB email client..but ok)
[13:15] <tjagoda> Most of their changes seem to be based on feedback
[13:15] <tjagoda> Which I see as a good thing
[13:16] <tjagoda> People complained about the hard powerbutton being hard to get at (which it isnt after it's been broken in by being pushed a few times)
[13:16] <tjagoda> So an update pushed out a soft power button
[13:16] <tjagoda> Stuff like that
[13:17] <tjagoda> From a threat-management standpoint, bridge-only email is kind of a feature - but only if your workforce is blackberry equipped
[13:17] <tjagoda> When bridged, the tablet never gets physical copies of the mail anywhere on the device
[13:17] <rick_h__> right, and only if they get all of their email on their BB...so it's a corp device then, not a personal one
[13:17] <tjagoda> so you're not adding another mobile device for your workers to loose and compromise
[13:18] <rick_h__> right, which means if I forget, dont' feel like tethering (battery anyone) etc it sucks
[13:18] <tjagoda> Well yes, but I did start off by framing this entire thing from a corporate perspective
[13:18] <tjagoda> And the bluetooth tethering hasn't very adversly affected my battery life
[13:18] <rick_h__> right, but you're knocking journalists who are not on BB companies that frame it as "I'd not give up my iPad2 for this crap"
[13:18] <tjagoda> I just shut it off when I don't want to look at mail, as the contorls to do so from the tablet are quick adn easy
[13:18] <rick_h__> any wireless radio adversly affects battery unless you've found magic radio wave generation
[13:19] <tjagoda> /adversely/ affects
[13:19] <rick_h__> bah, whatever. Not going there this morning. Enjoy your new business toy
[13:19] <tjagoda> I don't suddenly have to charge my phone halfway through the day now that I turn bluetooth on
[13:19] <tjagoda> Thing is pretty cool
[13:19] <tjagoda> Will be even more cool as they continue to push out updates
[13:20] <tjagoda> I was surprised by how well it sold on launch day despite the shit storm of press it got, to be honest
[13:35] <jrwren> BB gave away PB to anyone who wrote apps.  I know 2 guys that have 'em.
[13:36] <tjagoda> A lot of stuff is supposed to start filling in in early May from what I've read on froums
[13:37] <snap-l> tjagoda: Really hope they don't get Palm disease, where the apps are easy to write, and impossible to distribute unless you're a company.
[13:37] <tjagoda> I have actually seen a lot of stuff from one-man devs
[13:37] <tjagoda> which refer to themselves by name and not my LLC
[13:37] <tjagoda> so that is encouraging
[13:38] <tjagoda> not by*
[13:40] <brousch> i would think these security-obessed corporate fascists would not want apps from long-haired hippie devs
[13:41] <jrwren> I'm just not sure the business market is big enough for them to thrive.
[13:41] <snap-l> Went to staples a few days after Playbook launch. Saw that they were selling it, but also saw an empty double-sided sticky post where a Playbook should have been
[13:41] <tjagoda> I pre-ordered mine from best buy online
[13:41] <jrwren> but it might be a huge success in the non business market that is BB obsessed.
[13:42] <tjagoda> The in-store displays are lacking, indicating that RIM really might not entirely care about the consumer market
[13:42] <snap-l> I just hope that like the iPhone market filled the void of fart and flashlight apps, the Playbook can fill the void of eMail apps.
[13:42] <tjagoda> Amazon had low-stock of the playbook yesterday
[13:42] <tjagoda> Which encourages me as to its pace of sales
[13:43] <snap-l> tjagoda: Artificial scarcity
[13:43] <snap-l> common tactic in retail
[13:43] <tjagoda> If it works for nintendo, it works for RIM!
[13:43] <snap-l> ship low numbers, then say that it's sold out
[13:43] <snap-l> gets journalists to write the obligatory "blah blah has sold out"
[13:43] <snap-l> and folks then take notice.
[13:44] <snap-l> Which is why I don't pay any attention to items that are based off of units shipped (Billboard) or blah blah sold out first week of release
[13:44] <tjagoda> I wish RIM would report sales sooner than their quarterly earnings
[13:44] <tjagoda> I'd like to see how the pace did after the first day pre-order impact
[13:44] <snap-l> tjagoda: Why? They like their stock to go up
[13:45] <snap-l> reporting those numbers before quarterly earnings will do bad things for a stock
[13:45] <tjagoda> I'd assume it would be going down, from the shitstorm of negative press though?
[13:45] <snap-l> You leak it out gradually
[13:45] <tjagoda> Then again
[13:45] <tjagoda> there is always room for more down
[13:45] <tjagoda> They really need a better playbook spokesman though
[13:46] <tjagoda> the Co-CEO thing just doesn't do it justice
[13:46] <tjagoda> Lazaridis especially
[13:46] <brousch> some sexy and business-oriented
[13:46] <brousch> like donald trump
[13:46] <tjagoda> They have J-Lo
[13:47] <brousch> i nomnate donald trump as the spokesman for the playbook
[13:47] <tjagoda> That would be epic
[13:47] <snap-l> If Trump == Sexy, then I'll decidedly be unsexy
[13:47] <tjagoda> I'd buy two more just because I could
[13:47] <brousch> snap-l: you're sexier than trump!
[13:47] <snap-l> tjagoda: Then sales would jump 100%
[13:47] <tjagoda> rofl =P
[13:47] <tjagoda> It's very good at media consumption
[13:48] <brousch> you can't have trump without the wig, just like you can't have a playbook without the bb
[13:48] <tjagoda> podcast library it comes with is pretty big
[13:48] <tjagoda> And it's music store is non-DRM and native MP3
[13:48] <tjagoda> no proprietary apple format that the iPod uses
[13:48] <tjagoda> Can you access the iPad as a network share?
[13:49] <snap-l> the problem with the playbook is iy just feels... desperate
[13:49] <tjagoda> Not after you've sat down using it for a few days it doesn't
[13:49] <tjagoda> Feels powerful then
[13:49] <tjagoda> Interface is really well done honestly
[13:50] <tjagoda> blackberry fan or not
[13:50] <tjagoda> there is no denying that
[13:50] <tjagoda> They did not screw up the use-the-bezel-to-navigate thing
[13:50] <snap-l> tjagoda: I mean they screwed up the marketing message
[13:50] <tjagoda> I do not disagree with you there
[13:50] <tjagoda> Co-CEO's did a pretty bad job of trying to clear it up
[13:51] <snap-l> If this had come out around the time of the iPad, and before the glut of Android tablets, this would be remarkable
[13:51] <snap-l> unfortunately, it's got Windows Phone 7 disease.
[13:51] <snap-l> "me too"
[13:51] <snap-l> "we're still relevant"
[13:51] <tjagoda> WinMo was relevant ever?
[13:51] <tjagoda> =(
[13:52] <brousch> indeed, back when bb was
[13:53] <tjagoda> brousch: pish
[13:54] <tjagoda> WinMo was never up in corporate grace like BB
[13:54] <brousch> i personally used more winmo devices than bb. 1-0
[13:55] <tjagoda> I used one winMo phone and regreted it's purchase for the entierty I owned it
[13:55] <brousch> mine wasn't a phone. i guess it was a pda
[13:56] <brousch> but it had bluetooth and a bluetooth modem and vnc so i could do stuff remotely, back in 2000
[13:56] <tjagoda> http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2010/03/10/windows-mobile-market-share-drops-like-a-rock/
[13:56] <brousch> maybe 2001
[13:56] <tjagoda> That chart is clearly pre-androidapalooza
[14:01] <snap-l> Regardless of the tablet's strengths, they've branded this (intentionally or not) as the tablet device for Blackberry users
[14:01] <snap-l> That's an awful way to marginalize yor customers
[14:03] <tjagoda> There are still 50 million of them
[14:03] <tjagoda> So I guess its not a bad segment to target
[14:03] <tjagoda> but I still wish they wouldn't have'
[14:03] <tjagoda> If not just to get the blackberry name out infront of people again
[14:04] <snap-l> tjagoda: You have underdog's disease.
[14:04] <snap-l> I get it a lot
[14:04] <snap-l> Where you want whatever product to succeed despite reality. :)
[14:04] <tjagoda> It worked with AMD
[14:04] <tjagoda> =(
[14:05] <snap-l> Which is why I was rooting for the 3DO, Palm, Linux... :)
[14:05] <tjagoda> And its good day 1 launch sales only serve to enable me =(
[14:05] <snap-l> I wonder how many of those are non-journalist purchases.
[14:06] <snap-l> I suspect a healthy number of those were journalist / blogger sales, along with "will it blend". ;)
[14:07] <tjagoda> Now you're just trying to troll =P
[14:07] <snap-l> and folks who have been waiting for Blackberry's answer to Android
[14:07] <tjagoda> My parents played with my Playbook for a bit
[14:07] <tjagoda> And then promptly went out and bought one for themselves
[14:07] <tjagoda> So I say the device has the potential to still not suck
[14:07] <rick_h__> because they have corporate BB phones?
[14:07] <rick_h__> or because they don't use email or calendaring?
[14:07] <rick_h__> :P
[14:08] <snap-l> rick_h__: ++
[14:08] <rick_h__> man, you tgalk out of both sides it's driving me nuts
[14:08] <snap-l> (couldn't type that out quickly enough)
[14:08] <rick_h__> "it's not for consumers, give it a break!" ... "Oh, it so cool anyone should want one and my parents got one"
[14:08] <tjagoda> They have no interest in pairing it with their BB devices
[14:08] <snap-l> tjagoda: They actually own BBs?
[14:08] <rick_h__> how big a check do they send you?
[14:08] <tjagoda> My dad does, my mom does not
[14:08] <rick_h__> tjagoda: issued, he needs to keep them secure you know, all those important grandkid texts
[14:09] <tjagoda> My dad is the operations manager
[14:09] <snap-l> Do they give them out free after purchasing ten Tim Hortons coffees?
[14:09] <tjagoda> I WISH THEY DID
[14:09] <tjagoda> Could have saved a ton
[14:09] <tjagoda> =P
[14:09] <snap-l> [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][BB]
[14:10] <snap-l> tjagoda: Operations manager at the company that you're working at?
[14:10] <tjagoda> Yeah, when I started here as an intern he was my boss
[14:10] <tjagoda> I now work for his boss
[14:10] <snap-l> tjagoda: So he's got incentive to stick with BB
[14:11] <tjagoda> I wouldn't say that had an impact on his tablet decision
[14:11] <snap-l> and if I had a BB, I might consider the Playbook
[14:11] <snap-l> tjagoda: Bull
[14:11] <tjagoda> He doesn't have an interest in pairing his phone to it
[14:11] <tjagoda> Liked the size of it more than anything
[14:11] <snap-l> Did he compare it with anything else?
[14:12] <tjagoda> He looked at the tablet's best buy stocks
[14:12] <tjagoda> so that's iPad for sure
[14:12] <tjagoda> do they stock the android stuff?
[14:12] <snap-l> Oh, so the Xoom, Dell's patetique
[14:12] <snap-l> and the Samsung Galaxy
[14:12] <snap-l> if he's cheap like I am, he'd have bought the playbook
[14:13] <snap-l> I don't think they make you buy a plan, do they?
[14:13] <tjagoda> No, it's wifi
[14:13] <tjagoda> all carrier neutral at this point
[14:14] <rick_h__> you mean it just tethers with BB and ATT won't let you so hope you're on Verizon if you want network access that's not wifi?
[14:14] <snap-l> Well, not really
[14:15] <snap-l> I don't think any of the other tablets they sell at BB come without a contract
[14:15] <tjagoda> I mean some people don't have an interest in using it as a 3G device
[14:15] <snap-l> at least they don't make it obvious
[14:15] <tjagoda> And are perfectly content using it on Wifi
[14:16] <snap-l> I'm perfectly content in running stuff on wifi, but I think the BB is the nly tablet advertised as such
[14:16] <snap-l> so no wonder they bought it
[14:16] <tjagoda> Just like my parents don't care about calendars and native mail
[14:16] <tjagoda> because they use webmail anyway
[14:16] <snap-l> Apparently they don't care about Angry Birds either. ;)
[14:16] <tjagoda> Nah, not into the games
[14:16] <snap-l> If you'd shown them that, they would have bought Android.
[14:16] <tjagoda> It does have a few neat games of its own though
[14:16] <snap-l> It's not a game, it's crystal meth
[14:17] <tjagoda> Nothing so big as Angry Birds
[14:17] <snap-l> tjagoda: Solitaire?
[14:17] <brousch> corporate strategy and espionage games?
[14:17] <tjagoda> It's got some neat sketch games
[14:18] <tjagoda> Puzzel like sketch game where you try to get the marble/ball to an endpoint
[14:18] <tjagoda> Kind of addicting
[14:18] <tjagoda> Actually does have solitare
[14:18] <snap-l> "Let's go Org-chart", the exciting game where you reorgainze the departments
[14:18] <tjagoda> Need for Speed ships on the tablet
[14:19] <brousch> but all the cars are replaced with corporate fleet vehicles?
[14:19] <tjagoda> If they are, then we have the wrong corporate fleet
[14:19] <brousch> ford escort vs natural gas honda civic!
[14:19] <snap-l> brousch: You've selected Escort with the wobbly brakes
[14:20] <tjagoda> rofl
[14:20] <snap-l> Racing a rental car fleet.
[14:20] <tjagoda> It's fun
[14:20] <tjagoda> you steer by tilting the tablet
[14:20] <snap-l> "You've been upgraded to: Economy"
[14:20] <tjagoda> its obvious they polished it highly because they new it would be the default ship game
[14:21] <jcastro> nixternal: hmm, persia responded again
[14:21] <jcastro> ninkendo: weird, he's still in the company directory
[14:21] <snap-l> "Hit T to enable the toll-booth receiver"
[14:29] <tjagoda> I'm surprised by how little pairing my BB affects my battery though
[14:29] <tjagoda> I did expect that it would drain the device quic
[14:29] <tjagoda> quick
[14:30] <jrmy> morning
[14:30] <tjagoda> Hallo
[14:30] <jrmy> actually had a full breakfast today
[14:32] <jrmy> should be plenty when i want to walk to my friends house to pick up my $10
[14:32] <jrmy> sheesh.. you guys really dont talk
[14:33] <tjagoda> Hah
[14:33] <tjagoda> you missed it when I incited rick's rage earlier by loving BB
[14:33] <tjagoda> =P
[14:33] <jrmy> BB? as in a bb gun?
[14:34] <wolfger> Rant, rick_h__, rant!
[14:34] <tjagoda> BB as in Blackberry
[14:34] <rick_h__> wolfger: no, I don't have the arm strength to hold up the faboi mirror to fanboi's in denial this monday
[14:35] <jrmy> but nah.. i wouldnt be up right now if i didnt want to buy the subway deal they have right now
[14:35] <tjagoda> BS, it's just rage because I don't make out with Android =P
[14:35] <snap-l> tjagoda: Right, because your tongue is far down BB's throat. ;)
[14:35] <tjagoda> Never French your corporate overlords.
[14:35] <jrmy> phones..
[14:37] <jrmy> any of you have the bacon egg whatever it is at subway before?
[14:38] <tjagoda> You seem entirely to obsessed with this subway deal
[14:38] <jrmy> im probably the only one on this channel just uses the channel.. sigh* why do i have to have such a slow computer
[14:38] <jrmy> that would be a misunderstanding
[14:38] <jrmy> im just trying to get someoen to talk to me
[14:39] <jrmy> that*
[14:40] <jrmy> i hope i can get more ram soon.. i hate how slow it is with only 256
[14:40] <tjagoda> Most of us work/IRC at the same time
[14:40] <tjagoda> So we're slow in the response
[14:41] <jrmy> yeah so im probably the only one without a job
[14:41] <jrmy> ironically this is what i do when im bored and have nothing else to do
[14:42]  * jrmy shakes his head
[14:44] <jrmy> lol i should mess my computer up to give me something to do for a few hours
[14:44] <tjagoda> This procedure is not recommended.
[14:44] <jrmy> eh..
[14:46] <jrmy> i get to ask questions, google things and learn something in the process.. cant be that bad
[14:46] <_stink_> even better - learn to write code
[14:47] <jrmy> yeah if i actually take time to learn a language
[14:47] <jrmy> i gave up on python
[14:48] <tjagoda> Would probably be time better spent than what you're doing now. ;)
[14:48] <brousch> start with static web pages if python gives you problems
[14:48] <brousch> html, css, javascript
[14:48] <jrmy> probably.. but i also prefer sleeping at night, lol
[14:48] <tjagoda> You are unemployed
[14:49] <tjagoda> Adopt the coder/hacker sleep cycle
[14:49] <tjagoda> =P
[14:49] <brousch> also things like pictures and vector images
[14:50] <tjagoda> I have no idea what that means brousch
[14:50] <tjagoda> How do you learn pictures?
[14:50] <tjagoda> =(
[14:50] <jrmy> lol
[14:50] <brousch> photoshop/gimp
[14:50] <brousch> image manipulation
[14:50] <jrmy> right
[14:51] <tjagoda> ahh
[14:51] <brousch> inkscape and gimp for the freedom lovers
[14:52] <brousch> so make static web pages, sprinkle in javascript, learn more javascript, now you have some useful skills to build on
[14:54] <jrmy> my real production would be from making electronic devices not internet based things
[14:54] <jrmy> video games though i'd also maybe be interested in
[14:54] <brousch> go play with flash then
[14:54] <jrmy> which is why i chose python initially
[14:55] <brousch> although you can make games entirely using html5
[14:55] <brousch> i have no advice for making electronic devices
[14:59] <jrmy> its just the programming that i'd want to learn first the rest can be learned elsewhere
[15:02] <greg-g> jrmy: so, what is your plan for learning how to program? Do you need any book suggestions? They tend to be pretty good for these things. Also, have you checked out MIT OCW? This course is intro to programming, and it looks like it focuses on Python http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-00-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-fall-2008/ (you may find that people in this channel recommend python, as well
[15:05] <_stink_> IME, you just have to pick something - anything! - and friggin write it.
[15:05] <_stink_> anything.
[15:06] <brousch> _stink_ ++
[15:06] <_stink_> slog through it and learn on the fly.  if the end product sucks, leave it for a while, and try a new anything.
[15:06] <brousch> you have to have a project in mind and then do it
[15:06] <_stink_> eventually you'll do something useful for you.
[15:06] <_stink_> then you make it better.
[15:06] <brousch> reading books is more useful after you have some idea of how it works
[15:07] <_stink_> fosho
[15:07] <greg-g> word
[15:07] <snap-l> Yeah, I'd say the only way that I learn is via immersion
[15:08] <snap-l> Just start working on something in an environment that you know you can't break (ie: not production or mission critical)
[15:08] <snap-l> and read up on what you discover
[15:08] <snap-l> because you never know what you don't know until you don't know it. :)
[15:08] <_stink_> and don't worry about writing the 'app' you think will make you money or something.  write ANYTHING
[15:09] <snap-l> We've all been there, so we can give you pointers and guidance
[15:09] <_stink_> you will probably throw it away or totally rewrite it in a year when you know much better.
[15:11] <snap-l> Just don't be afraid, that's all
[15:12] <jrmy> back.. sorry i didnt set away
[15:12] <snap-l> heh
[15:13] <jrmy> yeah, well the thing with python there was so much to learn.. even on the basic level.. and with the mentality of a child with school for instance i didnt find much reason in learning some of the things if i didnt know if it would help for making a game
[15:13] <jrmy> seeing as with a language you can write just about anything
[15:14] <jrmy> i wonder which version of python is recommended now
[15:15] <brousch> 2.7
[15:15] <brousch> so start writing the game, and when you can't figure out how to do something, look it up on google or in a book
[15:15] <jrmy> hmm.. i was going to learn 2.6 when i started
[15:15] <brousch> not a big difference
[15:16] <jrmy> ffuu...
[15:16] <brousch> just stay away from 3 for now
[15:16] <_stink_> 2.6, 2.7, either one.
[15:17] <jrmy> i think 2.6 is still on my system.. does 2.7 have enough libraries?
[15:17] <jrmy> or if its called something else..
[15:17] <brousch> just use 2.6 then
[15:17] <brousch> it really doesn't matter at this point
[15:17] <jrmy> been over half a year since i used this computer
[15:18] <jrmy> oh yeah.. i remembered i figured out how to make an looping number
[15:18] <jrmy> just keeps going up and up.. or down if i wanted
[15:18] <jrmy> until you kill the program
[15:19] <jrmy> it was rather amusing.. totally forgot how to make the loop though
[15:19] <greg-g> good start, I remember writing the "Joe Sucks, Greg Rocks" and repeating that on the screen forever in BASIC back in elementary school
[15:19] <greg-g> (Joe was the kid who sat next to me)
[15:19] <jrmy> lol
[15:20] <jrmy> i think i remember it being if x>0 print or something
[15:20] <greg-g> luckily, finding out how to write "a loop" in python is just a google search away
[15:21] <jrmy> i actually had to think for a long time
[15:21] <jrmy> even after googling.. there really was nothing on loops
[15:21] <jrmy> it was cool i figured it out though
[15:22] <jrmy> even with very little do go on
[15:22] <greg-g> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/controlflow.html#for-statements
[15:22] <_stink_> greg-g: that is classic.
[15:22] <greg-g> http://diveintopython.org/file_handling/for_loops.html
[15:25] <jrmy> i think the only way how im really going to get into it.. is if i have info on how to make a specific thing.. not with instructions but to be taught all of the things i need to make that specific thing
[15:26] <greg-g> "not with instructions but to be taught" what do you mean by that?
[15:26] <jrmy> which could be alot.. but yeah, im pretty sure i'll move on to something else quite quickly if theres no spark of interest.. and interest continuing
[15:27] <jrmy> as in im not told exactly how to make it step by step
[15:27] <jrmy> instructions in other words
[15:44] <jrmy> maybe i should write a bot for a channel or something
[15:45] <wolfger> Sure. Something, anything. Pick a task, write a program to do it.
[15:45] <wolfger> just don't write an annoying channel bot and bring it in here :-)
[15:46] <jrmy> lol, of course.. i wouldnt do that (snickers)
[15:46] <wolfger> Write one for #ubuntu that asks "Is Natty out yet?" every 5 minutes on launch day. Nobody will ever know it's a bot. :-)
[15:46] <jrmy> nah im not that dumb. i liek talking on here.. getting banned would suck
[15:46] <jrmy> lol, ok
[15:59] <greg-g> now anyone can be a programmer! http://duiker101.tk/hackertyper/ (just start typing)
[16:01] <rick_h__> greg-g: crap, but I wanted python
[16:01] <tjagoda> rofl
[16:02] <wolfger> I want to start writing LOLcode
[16:03] <wolfger> I think it would be an awesome language to write a usable program in, just to say I did it. :-p
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> I keep meaning to get a physical copy of the LOLCAT Bible
[16:04] <wolfger> ++
[16:04] <wolfger> and go door-to-door with it
[16:06] <jrmy> lol
[16:08] <snap-l> http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/4959481-452/are-the-blackberry-playbook-and-lg-g-slate-ready-to-take-on-ipad2.html
[16:09] <wolfger> "Good morning, miss. Have you received the word of the Ceiling Cat into your heart?"
[16:09] <jrmy> lol
[16:09] <jrmy> i'd have to laugh hard if someone actually walked up to my door and did that
[16:09] <tjagoda> I don't buy all those people saying you cant have a tablet without a 10 inch screen
[16:10] <tjagoda> I don't /want/ a 10-inch
[16:10] <jrmy> i prefer a "handheld"
[16:10] <tjagoda> The 7 inch is just right for me to be able to type with thumbs in portrait mode
[16:10] <jrmy> the ipad is too big
[16:10] <tjagoda> Yet big enough to make me not feel crimped for screen space
[16:11] <jrmy> i can agree that 7 inches is plenty
[16:11] <jrmy> ..dirty jokes... sheesh
[16:11] <jrmy> lol
[16:12]  * jrmy shakes his head
[16:12] <wolfger> I love the way that article basically says "these tablets suck because they aren't iPads" without actually mentioning any way in which the iPad is superior.
[16:13] <jrmy> ok.. im not goign to go on with making dirty jokes..
[16:13] <jrmy> hard to hold back...
[16:15] <tjagoda> wolfger: I have seen that theme in almost all of the tablet review I've read so far
[16:15] <tjagoda> Apple coats the devices in cocaine
[16:16] <brousch> no, it's more relaxing than cocaine
[16:16] <wolfger> LSD
[16:16] <brousch> it makes you feel good without exploding your heart
[16:16] <wolfger> absorbed through the skin, and they don't even realize they're tripping
[16:17] <jrmy> lol
[16:17] <jrmy> you guys...
[16:18] <brousch> pulverized marijuana?
[16:18] <wolfger> brousch: that's not mind-altering enough to explain people's opinions
[16:19] <wolfger> or so I've heard
[16:20] <greg-g> wolfger++
[16:26] <brousch> shut up, man. i can quit whenever i want to
[16:27] <jrmy> lol
[16:29]  * wolfger wonders if brousch is referring to his addiction to the iPad, or ???
[16:30] <brousch> apple products
[16:30] <brousch> though really i just use the laptops
[16:30] <wolfger> and here I thought snap-l was the fanboy...
[16:30] <brousch> i like to deflect the apple-love to him so i suffer less
[16:33] <tjagoda> I remember when jcastro was willing to kill people for switching Mac
[16:33] <tjagoda> Those were the days
[16:33] <jcastro> was?
[16:33] <tjagoda> Well
[16:33] <tjagoda> He at least threatens less publicly
[16:33] <tjagoda> =P
[16:34] <tjagoda> I need to find a job at canonical
[16:34] <tjagoda> Before I get promoted in charge of our sales office's IT
[16:34] <tjagoda> DO NOT WANT 40 more users
[16:35] <tjagoda> specifically becasue they're salesmen
[16:36] <brousch> my pants are tight http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-eeepad-transformer-review
[16:38] <tjagoda> There is no way that isn't fragile
[16:40] <brousch> i have a soft spot for eeepc. i still like my 901
[16:40] <tjagoda> Want to buy a system76 netbook?
[16:41] <tjagoda> It's still new
[16:41] <tjagoda> I don't need it now that I have the tablet
[16:42] <jrmy> should i hope i dont get the same interests as you guys in certain electronics?
[16:42] <jrmy> as for now i find the phones boring
[16:42] <brousch> smartphones are boring?
[16:42] <tjagoda> I am an IT guy
[16:42] <jrmy> and other related
[16:42] <tjagoda> I find no technology boring
[16:42] <jrmy> smartphones are meh to me
[16:42] <brousch> they are the future
[16:43] <jrmy> i'd rather own a ds
[16:43] <brousch> if they bore you, you are in the wrong field
[16:43] <tjagoda> Amen
[16:43] <tjagoda> Or you're really young
[16:43] <brousch> like 10 years old
[16:43] <jrmy> an iphone i suppose is neat
[16:43] <jrmy> but even then just to play games doesnt seem to be enough
[16:43] <wolfger> brousch: I did not know that you were Captain Tightpants...
[16:43] <tjagoda> If you buy a phone just to play games
[16:44] <jrmy> when its predocessors aka the handheld game systems are much better
[16:44] <tjagoda> or evaluate your phone purchase as such
[16:44] <tjagoda> you are doing it wrong
[16:44] <brousch> you've got the whole damn internet, all the information in the world, in your pocket available at all times from anywhere.
[16:44] <jrmy> well what else is there besides its actual use, talking?
[16:44] <brousch> talking is for old people
[16:44] <brousch> it is a computer in your pants
[16:45] <jrmy> oh wow i can surf the internet on my phone.. big deal
[16:45] <tjagoda> ..why do you use Linux?
[16:45] <jrmy> its not a laptop.. so i dont care
[16:45] <brousch> my phone has a keyboard, wifi, and applications. it's a tiny laptop
[16:45] <tjagoda> Because I get the feeling that your only interest in electronics is gaming
[16:45] <tjagoda> and Linux is not conducive to gaming
[16:45] <jrmy> yet to figure it out.. but currently because i have no other choice in an os
[16:46] <tjagoda> Ah
[16:46] <tjagoda> That would explain a bit then
[16:46] <jrmy> linux is free
[16:47] <jrmy> i do liek the idea of a mobile computer but a phone is not enough for me
[16:48] <brousch> the phone is just to keep the old people happy. i talk like 15 minutes/mo
[16:48] <jrmy> besides im annoyed when i have to use a keyboard that is too small for my fingers
[16:49] <brousch> try one of the alternative soft keyboards
[16:50] <tjagoda> I have using my phone as a phone
[16:50] <tjagoda> hate*
[16:50] <tjagoda> Talking is so last century.
[16:50] <jrmy> also i cant use it to record music
[16:51] <jrmy> so once more not as useful to me
[16:51] <jrmy> and im not using spelled backwards scam
[16:51] <jrmy> lol
[16:52] <brousch> i record videos and sound with my phone
[16:52] <jrmy> hows quality?
[16:52] <brousch> good enough for me
[16:52] <jrmy> can you get at least 41khz?
[16:52] <jrmy> sound wise
[16:52] <brousch> i have no idea
[16:53] <tjagoda> Your phone is not a laptop
[16:53] <tjagoda> it isn't meant to replace a laptop
[16:53] <tjagoda> its meant to supplement a laptop
[16:53] <tjagoda> your technological viewpoint is incorrect
[16:53] <tjagoda> =P
[16:53] <rick_h__> then what's a tablet :P
[16:53] <jrmy> supplement eh?
[16:54] <tjagoda> A tablet gets closer to laptop replacement, but I personally still see it as a supplement
[16:54] <jrmy> whats the point when my laptop's battery can last just as long as my phone?
[16:54] <jrmy> well netbook in this case
[16:54] <tjagoda> I don't have to wait 5 minutes and require a table to use my phone
[16:55] <jrmy> seeing as a smaller netbook may be the choice
[16:55] <wolfger> a tablet is an oversized smartphone
[16:55] <wolfger> or a netbook without a keyboard, depending on your point of view
[16:55] <krondor> phone/tablet w/ microhdmi dock support + bluetooth keyboard / mouse + vnc/rdp or vdi == no laptop needed. microhdmi not even needed in the larger screen real estate of a tablet I guess..
[16:55] <jrmy> do suppose some laptops take 5mins to start up.. rather a long time imo
[16:56] <wolfger> I put netbooks, the current generation of tablets, and smart phones all into one category
[16:56] <wolfger> laptops and desktops (i.e. "real computers") into another
[16:57] <jrmy> well wehat do you guys use netbooks/phones/tablets for?
[16:57] <tjagoda> My tablet replaces the place my netbook had in my technology lineup
[16:57] <jrmy> what*
[16:57] <tjagoda> I use my tablet for when I want to be mobile but still able to browse easily
[16:58] <tjagoda> My phone is always with me, and does 90% of my emailing and tweeting
[16:58] <jrmy> specifically speaking
[16:58] <tjagoda> and occasional surfing when I need to look something up
[16:58] <tjagoda> Laptop is used when I need to seriously work somewhere mobile, and know I'll need the keyboard/mouse interface
[16:58] <tjagoda> Desktop is only used for gaming
[16:58] <jrmy> am i shunned for liking to use an old schhol book called a dictionary?
[16:59] <wolfger> yes
[16:59] <tjagoda> I have a dictionary in my phone
[16:59] <tjagoda> along with the entire internet
[16:59] <jrmy> ah.. but you guys forget the fun in using a dictionary
[16:59] <tjagoda> paper is SO LAST CENTURY
[16:59] <wolfger> paper versions of dictionaries get outdated too quickly, and/or are not complete enough
[16:59] <jrmy> you even learn more words when you look for your word
[17:00] <jrmy> guess im oldschool irnoically
[17:00] <brousch> i like to use a thesaurus instead of a dictionary. then i learn new words as i look for my word, and can quickly find a better word
[17:00] <tjagoda> Yeah, if I need more words I use a thesaurus
[17:00] <tjagoda> which is, you know, what it's meant for..
[17:00] <wolfger> When I was growing up, my family had an unabridged dictionary. That sucker was HUGE.
[17:00] <brousch> http://thesaurus.com/
[17:00] <wolfger> and the language has grown.
[17:00] <tjagoda> I challenge you to carry around the OED
[17:01] <tjagoda> =P
[17:01] <wolfger> but the dictionaries you buy at the local bookstore are smaller than some novels
[17:01] <wolfger> I use a page-a-day calendar to teach me words I didn't already know :-)
[17:02] <wolfger> speaking of which, I need to find that when I get home. It's gone missing :-(
[17:02] <jrmy> oh and on the note of why i use linux i kinda liek the look and feel kinda a change of pace
[17:04] <tjagoda> Don't you lie
[17:04] <tjagoda> You'd be on windows if you had a copy
[17:04] <tjagoda> =P
[17:04] <wolfger> LOL
[17:05] <wolfger> tjagoda: windows fanboy
[17:05] <tjagoda> So much irony there
[17:05] <jrmy> i also enjoy using a shell
[17:05] <tjagoda> Says this chair of an Open Source convention
[17:06] <jrmy> well seeing as games are the only reason i use windows and i cant afford new games theres not much reason to use windows
[17:06] <wolfger> Why I prefer Linux: Stability, cost, availability of kick-ass apps, and control over my own computer. Why I prefer Windows: games.
[17:07] <jrmy> steam will eventually have more games for linux.. well last i knew
[17:07] <jrmy> unless that was just mac..
[17:07] <jrmy> hell, i dont remember now
[17:07] <tjagoda> Yeah
[17:07] <tjagoda> You're not on Ubuntu for stability
[17:07] <tjagoda> =P
[17:08] <tjagoda> Steam is not available on linux
[17:08] <jrmy> ok
[17:08] <jrmy> then yeah mac
[17:09] <tjagoda> jcastro!
[17:09] <tjagoda> Kill!
[17:09] <wolfger> tjagoda: au contraire. I am definitely on Ubuntu for stability (versus previous versions of Windows).
[17:09] <jrmy> and currently the only computer games i play are from valvesoft and maybe some bethseda games
[17:10] <jrmy> other then that there is minecraft and cube
[17:10] <wolfger> I only play Eve, and one of these days I will take enough time away from playing it to actually get it running under WINE
[17:10] <jrmy> which are both playable on linux
[17:10] <jrmy> i prefer console for other games
[17:11] <jrmy> , emulator or a good old handheld
[17:11] <jrmy> so why not use linux?
[17:11] <jrmy> i hate how microsoft runs things
[17:12] <jrmy> never liked IE after i found out about firefox
[17:12] <jrmy> again*
[17:13] <jrmy> infact theres some other linux programs i use
[17:13] <jrmy> free fits me much better about now
[17:15] <tjagoda> woflger: are you on 11.04?
[17:15] <tjagoda> You're not on 11.04 for stability
[17:15] <tjagoda> =P
[17:15] <jrmy> 11.04 now? yeah been awhile
[17:15] <tjagoda> I get the random crash back to login every now and again
[17:16] <jrmy> i'd liek to use maverick but it doesnt load my vidoe controller correctly
[17:16] <jrmy> or at least it didnt after the first stable release
[17:17] <jrmy> but my machine is old enough.. why upgrade anymore
[17:18] <tjagoda> That sentence makes my brain explode
[17:18] <tjagoda> I hope I am misunderstanding it
[17:18] <jrmy> and idkquote
[17:18] <jrmy> -and idk*
[17:19] <jrmy> which sentence?
[17:19] <tjagoda> Lunch nao
[17:38] <wolfger> tjagoda: I'm on 11.04 for some hope of a working wifi driver :-p
[17:50] <tjagoda> lol
[18:07] <snap-l> I want to uderstand which web page out there is telling people to use nusoap for PHP
[18:07] <snap-l> so I can ask for someone to take it down
[18:07] <rick_h__> hah
[18:13] <snap-l> so now I'm going to attempt to put together a PHP example
[18:13] <snap-l> wish me luck
[18:17] <snap-l> Ah, nice: PHP native class for handling SOAP calls can't do WS-Security
[18:17] <snap-l> http://stronger.epsi.pl/2009/06/24/php-soap-wsse/
[18:20] <jrwren> I've got an ASRock P45X3 Deluxe mobo and an MiniATX case that I don't want, both never used. Mobo does not fit into this case. anyone want?
[18:24] <tjagoda> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/psn-update-sony-isnt-sure-your-credit-card-data-is-safe.ars
[18:24] <tjagoda> Sony fails
[18:28] <wolfger> as usual
[18:30] <brousch> snap-l: have your php example call out to a python command
[18:31] <snap-l> brousch: Heh
[18:40] <waldo323> jrwren, is there cpu or ram with the mobo?
[18:42] <snap-l> and I punted, and just posted the python code, and a link to the PHP wsse auth example.
[18:43] <brousch> good plan. go down that road and you'd be posting examples in smalltalk and VB.NET soon
[18:46] <rick_h__> snap-l: boooo :P
[18:47] <rick_h__> come on, surely you can whip up a command line friendly version that's php 5.0, 5.1, and 5.3 compat
[18:48] <snap-l> rick_h__: I only target PHP6
[18:48] <rick_h__> doh
[18:49] <snap-l> since that's what the bookstore said was the new hotness
[18:50] <snap-l> I'm a little disappointed (note: not surprised) that PHP Soap doesn't support WSSE auth
[19:13] <snap-l> Now that JoDee has a smartphone with Google Calendar, she's adminishing me for not putting things on the calendar
[19:13] <rick_h__> lol
[19:13] <snap-l> wheras before she barely used it
[19:13] <rick_h__> we do that all the time
[19:13] <rick_h__> "I have a ladies night coming up" "Is it on the calendar? I don't recall seeing that!"
[19:13] <rick_h__> or the reverse "I'm off to ladies night, make sure michael gets his meds"
[19:14]  * rick_h__ checking calendar now that it's too late
[19:14] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, well before I was the anal one
[19:14] <snap-l> now that she's using her phone, she's becoming just as anal.
[19:15] <rick_h__> <3 google calendar
[19:15] <rick_h__> especially on the phone
[19:15] <rick_h__> I'll schedule my next dentist appt because I just put it on there and it's done
[19:20] <rick_h__> krondor: good timing, as I sit here trying to get the latest Cyanogen on my phone
[19:22] <krondor> rick_h__:  lol, yeah it was kind of rapid.  I was actually not expecting anyone to want to meet till post penguicon.
[19:22] <rick_h__> strike while the iron's hot
[19:23] <wolfger> that's the motto of the steelworkers union...
[19:26] <jrwren> waldo323: no cpu or ram with mobo
[19:49] <snap-l> Best review of Fluxx ever: I hate this game. I've actually played a game with a drunk who was ABSENT FROM THE ROOM for most of the game - and he still won. It's that frakin' random.
[19:51] <wolfger> Heh
[19:51] <wolfger> gotta love it
[20:07] <snap-l> Wow: http://blogs.perl.org/users/fibo/2011/04/every-perl-module-needs-a-test-file.html#comment-22597
[20:14] <snap-l> God, Verizon gives you a separate sheet to understanding your bill
[20:15] <snap-l> "In this section, a mommy phone carrier and a daddy data plan love each other very much"
[20:15] <rick_h__> lol, awesome
[20:18] <rick_h__> snap-l: I love that comment: Starting your post with "I eat paste..." doesn't really help.
[20:20] <snap-l> This is the context: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/04/civility-starts-with-me.html
[20:20] <snap-l> Apparently there's cantankerous dicks in the Perl community
[20:20] <snap-l> who knew?
[20:26] <snap-l> I'm a bad boy
[20:27] <snap-l> Gib asked if the board meeting was still on, and Jim McQuillan said yeah, didn't you get the meeting notice? I replied "Yeah, I got it. Maybe Juno ate it. ;)"
[20:28] <rick_h__> oooh
[20:28] <rick_h__> burn
[20:29] <snap-l> Well, seriously though, it's 2011, and the world has moved away from dial-up e-mail
[20:30] <rick_h__> http://www.comicsanscriminal.com/
[20:31] <snap-l> rick_h__: Nice.
[20:42] <snap-l> jcastro: I think I see what your problem is with identi.ca
[20:42] <snap-l> a) You have auto-subscribe turned on
[20:42] <snap-l> b) You're subscribed to fabsh
[20:43] <snap-l> c) You're in the ubuntu group.
[20:43] <jcastro> hah
[20:43] <jcastro> if you think that's the only thing wrong with identi.ca
[20:43] <snap-l> Too many spammers join the ubuntu group
[20:43] <jcastro> are people still even on there?
[20:43] <jcastro> I haven't been on there like in 2 years
[20:44] <snap-l> "I just got a tasty sandwich from the fridge !debian !ubuntu !perl"
[20:44] <snap-l> jcastro: There's still people on identi.ca
[20:44] <snap-l> interesting people at times.
[21:14] <greg-g> jcastro: lots of good people, actually :/
[21:14] <jcastro> who is on there that I can't get on twitter?
[21:14] <jcastro> oh, brad kuhn.
[21:14] <jcastro> right.
[21:15] <greg-g> mike linksvayer only sometimes posts to twitter
[21:15] <greg-g> chris webber (great CC guy)
[21:15] <greg-g> lmorchard has conversations with people on identi.ca but not twitter
[21:16] <greg-g> that's just the last 7 minutes or so of my stream
[21:16] <greg-g> clarification, sometimes lmorchard has conversations on identi.ca instead of twitter
[21:16] <greg-g> depending on where the reply comes from, of course
[21:17] <greg-g> my buddy Pete from Minneapolis ;)
[21:17] <jrwren> pythonista gurus, any pointers on parsing a JSON style date. this one is from facebook
[21:18] <rick_h__> dateutils
[21:19] <rick_h__> if you can't just do strptime
[21:19] <rick_h__> for a given known format
[21:22] <jrwren> 2011-04-21T20:17:10+0000
[21:22] <jrwren> datetime.strptime(status['created_time'], '%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S%z')  but the %z seems to not work.
[21:22] <jrwren> looking for dateutils.
[21:23] <rick_h__> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-dateutil/1.5
[21:23] <rick_h__> it's the great auto date parser of python land
[21:23] <jrwren> ty
[21:25] <jrwren> http://wiki.python.org/moin/WorkingWithTime  even says "there is no known workaround"
[21:26] <rick_h__> right, but that mentions datetime in 2.3
[21:26] <rick_h__> sounds out of date to me
[21:27] <rick_h__> if you know it's ISO 8601: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/isodate/0.4.0 ?
[21:28] <rick_h__> no release for a while on that one though
[21:29] <rick_h__> I guess the hard way would just be to regex off the timezone off the end and parse the datetime + timedelta(xxxhours)
[21:31] <jrwren> i think django might ship with dateutil, so it should be just a matter of importing
[21:32] <rick_h__> yea, if it does it then cool. It's really common
[21:32] <rick_h__> but is separate
[21:33] <rick_h__> jrwren:  https://github.com/toastdriven/django-tastypie/issues/118
[21:34] <rick_h__> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytz/2011e not sure if that does it
[21:36] <snap-l> chromatic also uses identi.ca
[21:36] <jrwren> ty
[21:48] <smoser> i thought rick_h__ was anti django. suprosed to see links from him with those dirty letters in them.
[22:04] <jrwren> I think rick_h__ is just strongly pro-other solutions, whcih I am too, but some people use django
[22:07] <snap-l> not to put words in rick_h__'s mouth, but I think his big problem is people using things without being too critical of why they're using it
[22:08] <snap-l> if Django fits your needs to a T, then by all means use it
[22:08] <snap-l> but Django is very tightly coupled, so if you want to remove pieces, it becomes problematic, and the whole reason to use quickly deteriorates.
[22:10] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/braid-soundtrack/
[22:10] <snap-l> Man, I knew I'd heard the music from Braid elsewhere.
[23:58] <rick_h__> jrwren: snap-l my problem with django is that people go nuts like it's the best thing when it fails to be the best in any category of the stack
[23:59] <rick_h__> orm, tempaltes, route dispatch, testing, wsgi-friendliness, it's not the best at anything
[23:59] <rick_h__> but because it tells people "do it this way, don't think too much and you'll be happy" people go gaga over it
[23:59] <rick_h__> basically :)


[01:50] <Omnifrog> this was just fun to watch   http://www.wimp.com/paintingtechniques/
[19:26] <wrst> wb chris4585
[19:26] <chris4585> thanks, power surge
[19:30] <Unit193> Hah.


[00:04] <karni> CardinalFang: I pushed rev43 of U1F with sync logic rewrite and multiple changes along the way. Please merge if you have branched trunk. I added CreateUDF ActionQueueCommand as well, but yet untested.
[00:23] <nhaines> Oh hey, there's a new U1 website.  :)
[00:34] <karni> nhaines: I just received the app is badly broken, so it might not be that fun to test in the end heh. /me jumps onto logs
[00:34] <nhaines> karni: thanks.. I haven't had the chance to go through it too much yet.  What a shame.  :)
[00:35] <karni> nhaines: hopefully I'll fix it before you do ;)
[00:35] <nhaines> karni: that would be pleasant.  ;)
[00:38] <karni> beuno: remind me please what capacity is your SD card so I'll be able to reflect on the numbers as well
[00:39] <karni> it was quite spacious as I recall
[00:42] <nhaines> karni: Just for fun, mine's 8GB but usually has between 20MB and 1000MB free at any given time.  :)
[00:42] <karni> beuno: for what it's worth, I'm happy for the sync logic worked on AQ as expected
[00:43] <karni> nhaines: if you could run U1F and go to Menu->Settings->Storage Management->Limit storage and play with the seekbar, I would appreciate :)
[00:44] <karni> nhaines: I have only 2gig and it works fine. I never got it right for big capacity cards :/
[00:44] <nhaines> Aha!  Okay.  :)
[00:44] <karni> thanks
[00:45] <beuno> karni, 16gb
[00:46] <karni> beuno: thank you (I should note that ;d)
[00:47] <karni> beuno: the download didn't process because indeed it got stuck on upload - the one thing I had on last TODO list and didn't come around d'oh!
[00:47] <karni> let me see what I can do.
[00:47] <beuno> karni, no rush
[00:48] <karni> beuno: you know me. I won't be able to sleep. But I know I should get used to it as well.
[00:50] <karni> beuno: total external storage is correct. total available storage is way out the roof, with insanely strange blocksize of 3915548 instead of, say, 4096. That's the source of the problem.
[00:51] <karni> hahahah by bad
[00:51] <karni> fixed.
[00:52] <karni> I can't even imagine why this worked on my phone. blockSize must have been close to blockCount ;]
[00:53] <karni> nhaines: I'm sure you'll get wrong space indication, I've fix it. Thanks, though :)
[00:57] <dobey> hmm
[01:19] <karni> beuno: nhaines: QR code of u1f-rev44 http://goo.gl/vuNHd - I fixed the storage limit bug, made notifications persistent, but can't replicate the upload problem. I improved one detail of service lifecycle, though. The logs are pretty clear :<
[01:19] <karni> beuno: I'll mail you the link, too.
[01:19] <beuno> karni, awesome, thanks
[01:20] <beuno> and since it's past 2 am where you are, I am going to ignore you until tomorrow
[01:21] <karni> hehe right. I shall get some sleep now :) Take care guys!
[01:21] <beuno> night!
[10:05] <JamesTait> 'Allo 'allo!
[10:35] <rye> hm
[10:36] <rye> our tomboy sync code overwrites the tomboy note fields when the note is saved online. E.g. if some app adds application annotations then it all gets lost :-/
[10:36] <rye> not good
[10:36] <rye> bug
[10:41] <rye> hm
[10:41] <rye> no, it stores application annotations
[10:42] <rye> and then overwrites them, awesome
[13:36] <duanedesign> morning all
[14:00] <thisfred> me
[14:01] <ralsina> me
[14:01] <ralsina> mandel, dobey, alecu standup
[14:01] <mandel> me
[14:02] <alecu> me
[14:03] <ralsina> thisfred, start
[14:03] <thisfred> * DONE bug #729055 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/filenames-in-notifications/+merge/52483
[14:03] <thisfred> * DONE https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/escape-W0511/+merge/52759
[14:03] <thisfred> * INPROGRESS bug #702172 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/quota-notifications
[14:03] <thisfred> * INPROGRESS bug #728722 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify
[14:03] <thisfred> * TODO bug #702007
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 729055 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "File names should be shown on notifications (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729055
[14:03] <thisfred> * TODO bug #730661
[14:03] <thisfred> * NEXT: ralsina
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702172 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a folder shared to the user exceeds the owning user's quota (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702172
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728722 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "control panel should have a .service file so it can be opened through dbus (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728722
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702007 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "get_all_records does not return records with their attachments (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702007
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 730661 in ubuntuone-client "progress bar does not show up in Unity or something (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730661
[14:03] <ralsina> DONE: some reviews, admin work, not much else
[14:04] <ralsina> TODO: start with the pile on TODO, that's too long for a note :-(
[14:04] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:04] <ralsina> mandel, please
[14:04] <dobey> me
[14:04] <mandel> DONE: More pykeyring patching. Worked on the sso UI. X-ray.
[14:04] <mandel> TODO:FInish keyring patch. Doctors appointment (in theory to get the cast removed, but i dont think so.)
[14:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: not really
[14:04] <mandel> alecu, please
[14:05] <alecu> DONE: reviews for manuel and eric, discussed dbus activation with eric, started working on syncdaemon zeitgeist bugs
[14:05] <alecu> TODO: weekly meeting, work on branch for bug #692730 and bug #693545
[14:05] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[14:05] <alecu> NEXT: dobey
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 692730 in ubuntuone-client "ZeitgeistListener tracebacks on SV_FILE_DELETED (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692730
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 693545 in ubuntuone-client "ZeitgeistListener tracebacks on AQ_UNLINK_OK (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693545
[14:05] <dobey> λ DONE: new icon in u1client, client/libu1/cp releases/uploads
[14:05] <dobey> λ TODO: new webkit api in libu1, bug #727558, mp3 install in banshee
[14:05] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727558 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Need to notify user when Purchased Music folder is not subscribed (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727558
[14:06] <ralsina> ok, comments
[14:06] <ralsina> alecu thisfred: does bug #732431 sound familiar to you?
[14:06] <ubot4`> ralsina: Bug 732431 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/732431 is private
[14:06] <mandel> ralsina: I wont be able to make the weekly 2day, I have to go to the doctor
[14:07] <mandel> ralsina: in the best case scenario I'll be back with two working hands
[14:07] <ralsina> I have to go to make a sworn statement about my taxes so let's call it off until tomorrow
[14:07] <mandel> that would be great
[14:07] <ralsina> mandel: that would be really good.
[14:07] <dobey> if i read through my bug mail, am i going to cry?
[14:07] <alecu> ralsina, does not sound familiar.
[14:07] <thisfred> not to me either
[14:08] <ralsina> Just for fun, look at the traceback filenames
[14:08] <thisfred> alecu: is _reset_udf_message_callback part of the status code?
[14:08] <thisfred> yeah, so it is
[14:08] <dobey> ralsina: that's not the first time that's happened
[14:08] <dobey> ralsina: is probably a bug in apport
[14:08] <thisfred> that's my code
[14:09] <alecu> thisfred, yes, it is part of the status code.
[14:09] <dobey> thisfred: stop writing broken code! :)
[14:09] <thisfred> I will look
[14:09] <thisfred> dobey: thanks, that's a good tip ;)
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: nothing more terrible than usual in the bugmail, I think (and I think I get all of you guys bugmail ;-)
[14:09] <dobey> thisfred: let's rewrite it in vala
[14:10] <ralsina> dobey: Iit's the anonymizing of the hostname
[14:10] <ralsina> dobey: this guy's hostname is ubuntu :-)
[14:10] <thisfred> I doubt that would help, if I have to do the writing
[14:11] <dobey> ralsina: right, because it's the default. and apport is buggy in that case
[14:11] <alecu> ralsina: "let's call it off until tomorrow" -> by "it" you mean today's weekly meeting?
[14:12] <ralsina> alecu: yes
[14:12] <alecu> ralsina, ack. We should let cparrino and joshuahoover know about it, then.
[14:12] <ralsina> alecu: yes
[14:13] <alecu> hmmm... seems cparrino is not on this channel.
[14:13] <joshuahoover> alecu, ralsina: no desktop+  meeting today?
[14:13] <dobey> and Chipaca
[14:13] <alecu> joshuahoover, right. mandel is to get a new hand, ralsina will be out to face the man
[14:14] <joshuahoover> alecu: got ya
[14:14] <ralsina> already told them at u1-internal
[14:14]  * rye gets occasional machine hangups due to wifi :(
[14:15] <alecu> rye, the r8192se_pci module?
[14:16] <rye> alecu, no, ath5k
[14:17] <rye> alecu, what is an amusing thing is that when i disable wifi radio the led still blinks and at the same time the board does something strange that causes the whole machine to hang
[14:17] <alecu> rye, I'm getting hangups at boot with the above wifi chip.
[14:18] <rye> another thing is that I am surrounded by atheros devices all around of the same make/model :-(
[14:18] <dobey> rye: it sounds like a greek coliseum for robot wars
[14:20] <alecu> rye, I found out that it's less likely to hang if I upload the wifi module after the system has been up for a few minutes, so I blacklisted that module in /etc/modprobe.d/ and then I run a script that loads the module a minute or so after boot.
[14:20] <alecu> ugly as hell, but it let's me work :P
[14:20] <rye> alecu, in my case it hangs during upload/download of the files (for some reason nm thinks that wifi connection should be preferred over the wired one). After this...
[14:21] <rye> ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2462MHz)
[14:21] <dobey> reboot time
[14:24] <dobey> whee
[14:26] <dobey> wow, once you've broken into swap, firefox really eats up memory :(
[14:33]  * rye installs mainline kernel to see whether it works...
[14:35] <thisfred> alecu: ralsina: found and fixed the bug. Looks like we're not doing enough integration testing, unfortunately. Reverting the fix, and trying to come up with a test that triggers it
[14:37] <rye> Production API rollout will be happening shortly
[14:37] <rye> Expect crazy syncdaemon rescans :(
[14:39] <alecu> thisfred, great.
[14:52] <thisfred> alecu: ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-732431/+merge/52864
[14:53] <thisfred> ralsina: we can probably make that bug public, I don't see anything sensitive in the apport stuff
[14:53] <ralsina> thisfred: sure
[14:54] <thisfred> so that other people could in theory see it and not report duplicates
[14:55] <thisfred> done
[15:25]  * mandel is back with one hand and 1/2
[15:34] <dobey> zomg
[15:34] <dobey> after latest updates my microphone works again
[15:34] <dobey> maybe i can avoid typing in mumble now
[16:03] <mandel> alecu: ping
[16:05] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[16:05] <alecu> mandel, pong
[16:06] <mandel> alecu: I update https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/implement_windows_networkstatus/+merge/52091 to fix the typos and the conflict, do you have time to take a look?
[16:07] <alecu> mandel, absolutely!
[16:07] <mandel> alecu: thx!
[16:12] <joshuahoover> CardinalFang: ping
[16:12] <CardinalFang> joshuahoover, hi
[16:13] <joshuahoover> CardinalFang: hi! any update on https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/lucid/desktopcouch/lp726597/+merge/52249 ...looks like we're still waiting for a review, huh?
[16:15] <CardinalFang> joshuahoover, It's in lucid-updates repo now.  distro should be watching that.  :(
[16:16] <joshuahoover> CardinalFang: ah, ok
[16:16]  * CardinalFang scans his email for a mention.
[16:16] <dobey> CardinalFang: it is not in updates
[16:18]  * dobey just posed a 'resubmit' review vote on that branch though
[16:19] <CardinalFang> dobey, Hrm, dput succeeded, but that doesn't mean much.
[16:19] <dobey> CardinalFang: you dput it to proposed or to updates?
[16:20] <dobey> proposed i guess
[16:20] <rye> verterok, ping
[16:20] <CardinalFang> dobey, yes, proposed, scanned from changelog.
[16:20] <dobey> an archive admin has to approve it still probably
[16:21] <alecu> mandel, the "literner" variable name typo is still there in the some of the tests.
[16:21] <rye> verterok, i have a strange syncdaemon behavior - every time it starts up it uploads my .gpass/passwords.gps and .gpass/passwords.gps.bak files even though they haven't changed
[16:21] <thisfred> alecu: can I have a review on https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/lp-732431/+merge/52864 when you have a minute? The change is pretty small
[16:21] <rye> verterok, i can reproduce this reliably
[16:21] <alecu> mandel, otherwise it looks fine
[16:21] <alecu> thisfred, sure.
[16:21] <rye> verterok, .gpass is a UDF so passwords are uploaded with my permission :)
[16:21] <verterok> rye: pong
[16:22] <dobey> CardinalFang: should i change the status of your merge proposal to rejected then?
[16:22] <verterok> rye: hmm, do you have logs in DEBUG?
[16:22] <rye> verterok, yes!
[16:22] <CardinalFang> dobey, I think so.
[16:22] <dobey> ok
[16:22] <rye> verterok, 2011-03-10 18:20:07,061 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.local_rescan - INFO - Resuming upload because it was interrupted: '/home/rtg/.gpass/passwords.gps'
[16:22] <dobey> it is done
[16:23] <rye> verterok, but then Upload ... failure: DOES_NOT_EXIST
[16:23] <rye> hmmm
[16:23] <rye> verterok, maybe my udf is broken
[16:24] <verterok> rye: broken how?
[16:24] <alecu> mandel, one more thing.... https://pastebin.canonical.com/44534/
[16:24] <rye> hm, after the failure SD returns to IDLE
[16:24] <dobey> CardinalFang: do you have the e-mail from "Ubuntu Installer" for the desktopcouch upload? does it say "rejected" ?
[16:24] <alecu> mandel, related to the above typo.
[16:24] <rye> and then tries to re-upload on next startup
[16:24] <rye> and the files do exist online
[16:24] <verterok> rye: is this happening every time?
[16:24] <rye> verterok, yup
[16:24] <verterok> rye: ok
[16:25] <verterok> rye: please paste (via privmsg or private pastebin) the metadata for that file: u1sdtool --info /home/rtg/.gpass/passwords.gps
[16:26] <dobey> CardinalFang: because desktopcouch isn't showing up on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[16:27] <rye> verterok, hm, sha1 hashes are clearly different
[16:27] <verterok> rye: what are the perms on that file? and the owner?
[16:27] <CardinalFang> dobey, found it.  "The signer of this package has no upload rights to this distribution's primary archive.  Did you mean to upload to a PPA?"
[16:28] <rye> verterok, i am the owner, i have full rwx permissions on the folder and rw on the file
[16:28] <verterok> rye: 100% sure? ;-)
[16:28] <rye> verterok, i can send you the full syncdaemon.log if you'd like
[16:28] <rye> verterok, yup
[16:28] <dobey> CardinalFang: ok. so you need to make your branch off lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/desktopcouch and propose to it please :)
[16:28] <verterok> rye: ok :) let me think a bit
[16:29] <CardinalFang> Damnit.  Dentist appt.
[16:29] <verterok> rye: please turn off syncdaemon, let's take a look to the raw metadata :)
[16:30] <verterok> rye: I'll have a script for you in a few minutes
[16:30] <rye> even when sd says "The connection to the server has been lost" the U1 logo makes it look so good...
[16:30] <CardinalFang> dobey, I branched from lucid-update.  Prosed to lucid-update.  Should be -proposed instead?
[16:30] <CardinalFang> ~Proposed
[16:31]  * CardinalFang goes afk a bit.
[16:31] <dobey> CardinalFang: yes. the proposal i just rejected was proposed for merge into lp:ubuntu/lucid/desktopcouch (not lucid-updates or lucid-proposed). the process is that things go in -proposed, then after they are verified, can be moved into -updates by an archive admin. but nobody ever directly uploads to -updates
[16:32] <alecu> thisfred, looks fine. I'm running the tests on it now.
[16:32] <thisfred> thx
[16:36] <verterok> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/578423/
[16:37] <rye> verterok, where cPickle should come from?
[16:37] <verterok> rye: oh, forgot that import: import cPickle
[16:37] <rye> verterok, TypeError: get() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given)
[16:38] <verterok> rye: that happens when the script isn't tested :p
[16:38] <rye> verterok, that's ok, just tell me what's the magic 3rd parameter
[16:38] <verterok> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/578424/
[16:38] <rye> yesterday i got "foo() takes exactly 3 arguments (3 given)" :)
[16:39] <verterok> rye: no magic at all
[16:39] <rye> verterok, ok, got the metadata
[16:40] <verterok> rye: does it match with  u1sdtool output?
[16:40] <rye> verterok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/578426/
[16:41] <rye> verterok, yup, looks like matching, let me start sd again
[16:42] <rye> verterok, and again passwords.gps and 1 other file is being uploaded..
[16:43] <rye> alecu, i think i found a bug in the notification, how do you detect whether all files have successfully been uploaded?
[16:43] <verterok> rye: please check if you have any partial files around in ~/.cache/ubuntuoner/partials
[16:43] <rye> AQ_UPLOAD_ERROR, kwargs: {'share_id': 'bdaf4055-967e-46f1-9028-339ae486266a', 'hash':
[16:43] <rye>  'sha1:ec48f3d4f1e0a45dfd11bad1f971e1a1f1e53d08', 'node_id': 'd08e088f-4799-4d01-b417-061fe1db5655', 'error': 'DOES_NOT_EXIST'}
[16:44] <alecu> thisfred, approved.
[16:44] <thisfred> thanks!
[16:44] <rye> verterok, empty directory
[16:45] <verterok> rye: that's saying that node_id: d08e088f-4799-4d01-b417-061fe1db5655 doesn't exists
[16:45] <verterok> rye: could you check the node_id via the web?
[16:45] <rye> verterok, 2011-03-10 18:42:23,322 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.EQ - DEBUG - push_event: AQ_UPLOAD_ERROR, kwargs: {'share_id': 'bdaf4055-967e-46f1-9028-339ae486266a', 'hash':
[16:45] <rye>  'sha1:1eaede66de1d2a25855af1663297214952623fa6', 'node_id': '5db396c9-1236-40db-ba36-51ebbb3b6797', 'error': 'DOES_NOT_EXIST'}
[16:45] <verterok> rye: maybe syncdaemon is trying to use an old node_id(?)
[16:45] <mandel> alecu: I saw your comment, I'm going to take a look, is weird that the tests pass
[16:46] <rye> verterok, i used the line for .gps.bak, not .gps
[16:46] <alecu> mandel, yes, really weird.
[16:46] <alecu> rye, looking.
[16:46] <rye> alecu, i remember there was an UploadFinished member which specified whether upload was successful or not
[16:47]  * rye thinks he needs to check this too in the indicator
[16:48] <mandel> alecu: is not weird, I'm stupid :P
[16:48] <mandel> we both ran them on linux, where they pass, on windows they fail
[16:49] <alecu> rye, to know if a given transfer was finished we listen for SYS_QUEUE_REMOVED in the event queue.
[16:50] <alecu> rye, if the type of the command removed is action_queue.Download or action_queue.Upload.
[16:50] <alecu> rye, also we listen for SYS_QUEUE_DONE to show the 100% completed message.
[16:50] <alecu> (which in fact has a very different wording than 100%)
[16:51] <rye> alecu, aha, you are listening to the internal messages, not something that is going to be broadcast via dbus...
[16:52] <alecu> rye, right. It would be painfully slow if you created 15000 files and if all the files found were sent thru dbus.
[16:52] <rye> alecu, well... that's how my indicator does things :-), it just queries for the queues less frequently in this case
[16:53] <alecu> rye, so, I think that the commands we listen for are only removed from the queue when they complete or are cancelled. The retrying in case of errors should be transparent to us.
[16:53] <rye> so what should user do if the file was _not_ uploaded in the end but SYS_QUEUE_DONE is sent... i mean the file was not updated but the user is assured that everything is ok
[16:54] <rye> something is wrong here
[16:54] <alecu> rye, let's ask verterok or __lucio__ about that.
[16:54] <rye> well, my local sd has some issues with these 2 files but emptying the queue and switching to IDLE on UPLOAD ERROR is not really nice
[16:54] <alecu> verterok, __lucio__: is it possible for a SYS_QUEUE_DONE to be sent when some file was not upload because of an error?
[16:55] <__lucio__> alecu, yes.
[16:55] <__lucio__> if we fail to upload it we send the signals about it and then finish
[16:55] <alecu> __lucio__, when will it be retried again?
[16:56] <dobey> lunch time
[16:56] <alecu> at lunch time?
[16:56] <__lucio__> alecu, if its a transient error its retried right away, no error is shown i think. if its not transient, never or after the next restart
[16:57] <alecu> rye, well, then you have found an error.
[16:57] <alecu> rye, the notification will show the file as transferred in that case.
[16:57] <rye> i wonder what can the user do about this
[16:57] <alecu> rye, but it should show it as some error instead.
[16:58] <rye> i have no idea how can I recover from this except of updating the files / cleaning them up online etc...
[16:58] <alecu> rye, probably showing the red emblem on the icon, and letting the user know about files with transfer problems in the control panel.
[16:59] <alecu> rye, yes, if it can be transferred there's not much the user can do. But at least he should have some way of knowing about that.
[16:59] <rye> okay, what does DOES_NOT_EXIST mean in this case?
[16:59] <alecu> Anyway, that feature sounds like material for Ñ
[16:59] <pmatulis> when will u1 organize/display synced bookmarks in a way that will actually be usable?
[17:03] <mandel> alecu: I updated the branch, everything should be ok now, sorry for the pain in the ass, my head is in another place
[17:05] <karni> beuno: did you have time to give U1F rev44 a spin?
[17:09] <beuno> karni, I'm.... not sure  :)
[17:09] <karni> beuno: It's the one from last e-mail (QR code is comfortable for you? Or should I attach it next time?)
[17:10] <beuno> karni, I din't seem to have that email
[17:10] <karni> beuno: you know, I'd like to have clear conscience that it's uploading and downloading files for you before I leave haha
[17:10] <beuno> got rev44
[17:10] <karni> right, that's the one. let me check my sent items
[17:11] <karni> beuno: subject: U1F rev44 sent 15hrs ago
[17:11] <karni> (2:20 GMT+1 xD)
[17:11] <karni> so that's the one. QR code was under the link.
[17:11] <beuno> karni, don't have it
[17:12] <karni> let me re-send it
[17:12] <karni> beuno: done.
[17:13] <beuno> karni, ok, I'm going to grab some food, will look at it as soon as I'm back
[17:13] <karni> beuno: cool, thanks
[17:16] <alecu> ok, I gotta get something to eat, plus run to the bank.
[17:16] <alecu> mandel, please mail me if you need a re-review.
[17:20] <beuno-lunch> karni, still no email
[17:20] <thisfred> ooh, new patches: http://i.imgur.com/4Q0Y4.jpg
[17:21] <karni> beuno-lunch: :< It's in my sent items. Are you checking<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:21] <karni> ?
[17:21] <karni> beuno-lunch: I can send that to your other e-amil
[17:21]  * karni realigns fingers
[17:22] <karni> beuno-lunch: did you get my _previous_ e-mail (a more detailed status report) from Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:58 PM ?
[17:23] <karni> I'd like to re-send it as well if it hasn't reached you. But I think it did, then we talked on irc about release dates etc.
[17:26] <rye> karni, maybe it is worth sharing the build via ubuntuone?
[17:27] <rye> karni, i mean as a shared folder, I would be extremely glad to test it too
[17:27] <karni> rye: Martin preferred recieving it via e-mail (perhaps not to miss it on IRC), so I e-mailed a link to QR code to link from Ubuntu One - and I forgot about Shared folders lol
[17:27] <rye> and adb install may be faster :)
[17:27] <karni> rye: oh of course I'd like to share it with you as well
[17:28] <karni> there are to minor bugs that I may be able to still fix today (thinks it's roaming while it's not, on mobile connection, for instance - that's a new bug)
[17:31] <karni> rye: PM me your.. e-mail, that's what I need to share right?
[17:31] <karni> *share with
[17:31] <rye> karlo94, yup<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would perfectly do
[17:32] <karni> rye: what's the karlo94 , some kind of username?
[17:32] <karlo94> rye, what?
[17:32] <karni> karlo94: oh sry, nvm my message
[17:32] <karni> karlo94: rye's msg was to me.
[17:32] <rye> karlo94, sorry, tab completion fail :(
[17:33] <karlo94> hahah, np :D
[17:33] <karni> I should have tried to tab-complete that xD haha
[17:35] <rye> karni, sweet, now i have apks!
[17:36] <karni> rye: you are welcome. please fill bug reports and send logs whenevery you find problems/something worries you
[17:36] <rye> hm, r/o shares show 0 bytes available storage ... hmmm
[17:36] <karni> rye: don't mind the UI yet, though
[17:37] <karni> rye: what does it mean? that I have 0 bytes storage or you don't see my files at all?
[17:37] <rye> karni, that's in the control panel, i'll need nessita to tell me why
[17:37] <karni> oh ok
[17:38] <karni> rye: I'm wondering.. when I opened the 'Share this folder' window few times (I know I can select multiple ppl, that's not the point) - each time I had to enter the share name even though it was the same problem. "is it a feature and not a bug" ;) ?
[17:40] <mongy> running natty updated as on today and u1 doesnt connect to server unless I run the applet, which then notifies my the connection to the server was restored..  this is everytime on bootup.
[17:42] <rye> mongy, by applet you mean ubuntuone-control-panel?
[17:42] <karni> JamesTait: Hi! I'd like to suggest inceasing (css?) the 'Sign in' clicable link area. It's now much smaller than the previous grey'ish "Sign in" button, which I liked. What do you think?
[17:42] <rye> hm
[17:43] <karni> rye: if so, I don't quite get why so many people call ubuntuone-control-center by applet, it's not the first time.
[17:43] <mongy> yeah
[17:43] <rye> mongy, ubuntuone should start connecting after 30 seconds of login
[17:44] <rye> karni, we had an applet, then ubuntuone preferences was sometimes also called an applet because if could have been started from the real applet. Well, since in natty the only ubuntuone-control-* thing is a panel my question was silly
[17:44] <mongy> let me reboot to maverick and change a file and come back to natty and see if it notifies me..
[17:45] <karni> rye: I see. That justifies it.
[17:46] <karni> rye: So I can't see 'Shared by me' in the webUI, huh?
[17:46] <karni> only 'Folders shared with me'. I checked out of curiosity.
[17:46] <rye> karni, you should be able to, the shared folders will have different icons and "more details" will provide the info. And if you go to that folder the same info will be displayed after the file list
[17:47] <karni> ohhh right, it's in my Ubuntu One folder deep down, d'oh. I though it'd list it separately.
[17:50] <JamesTait> karni: I'm not opposed to the idea, and it would be in keeping with the Buy more storage space button.
[17:51] <JamesTait> karni: I think it needs to go to the design team though - that would be ivanka et al.
[17:51] <karni> JamesTait: right. and yea, I can see Buy more storage is still the same style.
[17:52] <JamesTait> karni: It's a trivial change to make.
[17:52] <karni> JamesTait: I believe it's a blink of an eye for you :)
[17:52] <JamesTait> karni: The design team might already have plans for that, or have received similar feedback.
[17:53]  * karni nods
[17:53]  * JamesTait is just another hacker.
[17:53] <JamesTait> karni: Maybe raise it as a bug against ubuntuone-servers?
[17:54] <karni> JamesTait: ok!
[17:54] <JamesTait> karni: And feel free to mention my name, in case that's not the right thing to do. :)
[17:54] <JamesTait> Then you can blame it all on me.
[17:54] <karni> JamesTait: hahaha no need, you're doing your job ;)
[17:58] <mongy> its not connected, as there are no 'ticks' on my shared folders.
[17:58] <mongy> and the file I edited is an older version.
[18:05] <mongy> rye, any idea then?  it wont do anything till I run the control panel
[18:08] <__lucio__> rye, how often that does file change?
[18:09] <rye> __lucio__, maybe once a week, last time i changed the file a day ago
[18:10] <rye> mongy, could you please send ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log archived to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i'll be able to assist better if I have the logs
[18:10] <rye> mongy, another thing, do you need to press connect or something else to get it going or launching the control panel is sufficient?
[18:10] <__lucio__> rye, is this bug new or you just noticed it recently?
[18:11] <rye> __lucio__, i noticed it today
[18:11] <mongy> just launching..  actuall, I launch it from the message menu because there is an entry called Ubuntu one under the normal entry of Ubuntu one, like its a message waiting to be read.. once I click use it I get the notifcation and things start rolling
[18:12] <__lucio__> rye, can you grep for the DOES_NOT_EXIST error and see how far back it goes?
[18:14] <rye> __lucio__, unfortunately I have logs only for last day
[18:16] <rye> __lucio__, but, since this dir has been involved in Move() limbo bug I'll do as verterok suggested and will rescan from scratch
[18:17] <__lucio__> rye, ok, let me know if it happens again. i think this is a side effect of all those changes and its already fixed (ie, we dont get to that situation anymore, not that we know how to handle it if we do)
[18:19] <verterok> __lucio__: I recommended rye to try running:  u1sdtool --rescan-from-scratch=<vol_id> let's see how it goes :)
[18:20] <__lucio__> rye, make sure you have copies of the files with local changes that failed to upload
[18:20] <verterok> rye: if that doesn't work, we can always fix it using brute force ;)
[18:21] <rye> verterok, well, it marked the .bak as conflict,... and keeps wanting to upload passwords.gps :(
[18:22] <rye> AQ_UPLOAD_ERROR:{'hash_eq_local_hash': 'F', 'hash_eq_server_hash': 'F', 'not_available'
[18:22] <rye> : 'F', 'not_authorized': 'F'} with ARGS:('DOES_NOT_EXIST', 'sha1:1eaede66de1d2a25855af1663297214952623fa6')
[18:22] <rye> :'-(
[18:22] <__lucio__> rye, that file you need to remove
[18:29] <rye> AQ_UPLOAD_FINISHED
[18:29] <rye> yay!
[18:53] <ralsina> mandel: late, late pong
[18:53] <mandel> ralsina: hehe
[18:54] <ralsina> mandel: how's the hand?
[18:54] <mandel> ralsina: alecu was taking a look at this https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/implement_windows_networkstatus/+merge/52091
[18:54] <mandel> ralsina: is broken, but the cast was removed to make sure that the skin and the muscle do not sufer, will be back next week again
[18:55] <ralsina> mandel: so you have a broken hand and no cast? Weird
[18:56] <mandel> ralsina: we are spaniards are that tough :)
[18:56] <ralsina> mandel: well, it did broke first ;-)
[18:56] <mandel> ralsina: is just a bone of the hand, no moving parts involved, so is a matter of being careful
[18:56] <mandel> ralsina: i broke it first :)
[18:56] <ralsina> mandel: cool then. Pain?
[18:56] <ralsina> only a spaniard breaks a spaniard! ;-)
[18:57] <mandel> ralsina: nah, is fine, it does not hurt more than it should
[18:58] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[18:59] <mandel> and I should be able to type faster than I was before
[18:59] <mandel> less spelling errors, hurray!
[19:01] <ralsina> brb
[19:13] <CardinalFang> mandel, so, while it's off, you should definitely play some rugby while you can!
[19:16] <mandel> CardinalFang: apparently I cannot do that, lame
[19:16] <dobey> reviews please? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/no-more-dbus-glib/+merge/52903
[19:17] <mandel> CardinalFang: but dont worry, as soon as I retired I'll get all the kids of my collegues to join a team ;)
[19:17] <ralsina> dobey: on it!
[19:19] <ralsina> my kid has the bones of a sparrow. And we live in the argentine capital city of rugby, where I hope he never feels tempted to play :-)
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina: the more you brake the stronger they get, and it is always fun for the parents to be in er :P
[19:25] <ralsina> mandel: I have been in the ER with him three more times than I wanted to already.
[19:26] <ralsina> Last one he managed to put his upper teeth through his upper lip.
[19:26] <mandel> ouch
[19:27] <rye> hm... that's nice, for some reason my machine does not have ipv4 connectivity now
[19:30] <ralsina> mandel: well, he can always wear a moustache when he grows, if the scar doesn't goaway
[19:31] <mandel> ralsina: his quite young, so the scar will be quite small, can you tell I broke my left cheek?
[19:32] <mandel> an that was when I was 17, so he should be fine :)
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel:  yeah, it should be almost invisible in a couple of years
[19:33] <mandel> ralsina: worst thing it could happen to his physical appearance is to look like the father :)
[19:34] <ralsina> mandel: well, yeah, he should be able to do better than that :-)
[20:00] <dobey> ugh, looks like it's about to start storming here :(
[20:03] <alecu> mandel, approved.
[20:06] <rye> aha
[20:06] <rye> default dev wlan0  scope link
[20:07] <rye> should have at least the gw..
[20:19]  * alecu bbls
[20:57] <dobey> can i get a second review on https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/no-more-dbus-glib/+merge/52903 please?
[21:17] <thisfred> dobey: on it
[21:20] <mandel> alecu: cojonudo, thx!
[21:32] <dobey> thisfred: thanks
[22:09] <dobey> later all
[22:09] <CardinalFang> later, d
[22:35] <danyR> g'night everyone. is there any reason why I'm not getting u1 upload progress in unity? natty fully updated just a few minutes ago
[22:36] <danyR> g'night everyone. is there any reason why I'm not getting u1 upload progress in unity? natty fully updated just a few minutes ago
[23:01] <karni> CardinalFang: I will be leaving for 9 days as of tomorrow [long story short, this has been planned few months back]. If you have questions along the way, please feel free to e-mail me at mkarnicki at gmail.com . I'm not sure if I'll have connectivity, but I'll try to check e-mail if possible.


[20:20] <Milos_SD> Hello
[20:20] <Milos_SD> I updated Firefox nightly today and it is crashing flash plugin all the time
[21:17] <k1> Hi, i have installed thunderbird on Ubuntu 14.10, im trying to make an email account for my gmail on it, but at the creation i get username password error. on my gmail i have enabled IMAP and capcha
[21:17] <k1> how can i solve it?ive searched alot and not helping


[01:24] <syldeb35> does someone know Bug #316405
[01:24] <ubot3> Malone bug 316405 in linux "Kernel OOPS during initialization SAA7134 jaunty kernel 2.6.28-4.generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316405
[01:25] <JesperHansen> Is this the right channel to ask about broken/missing frequency scaling?
[01:29] <Kano> rtg: could you update ndiswrapper to 1.54?
[01:33] <johanbr> JesperHansen: sure
[01:37] <JesperHansen> ok, I have a eeePC 900 with this readout http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620365
[01:40] <JesperHansen> only prob. is it stays at 900 MHz after I replaced the default eeePC linux distro with a xubuntu
[01:41] <JesperHansen> I am looking at the eeepc-acpi-scripts package, but
[01:43] <JesperHansen> its setting some impossible requirements
[01:44] <JesperHansen> Its wants to remove acpi-support, powermanagement-interface, ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop
[01:46] <JesperHansen> this is also thrown: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620369
[01:46] <johanbr> It doesn't seem to support standard SpeedStep.
[01:46] <johanbr> You might need a custom kernel module.
[01:47] <johanbr> And for the second error, looks like you're mixing repos from different sources.
[01:48] <JesperHansen> yea, I am considering what I am missing though, since the kernel I am running right now is a custom build. Neither this nor ubuntu's supported it (is a 2.6.28 kernel on 9.04)
[01:48] <IntuitiveNipple> JesperHansen: What does this report: for node in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*; do if [ -f $node ]; then echo "$node $(cat $node)"; fi; done
[01:49] <JesperHansen> no, wait 8.10 with a few packages from 9.04 to make it happy
[01:50] <JesperHansen> IntuitiveNipple: nothing, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ doesn't exist either.
[01:50] <IntuitiveNipple> well that's a big clue then :D
[01:52]  * JesperHansen doesn't get the clue :P
[01:52] <IntuitiveNipple> can you show the relevant settings from the .config the kernel was built with? (egrep 'FREQ|IDLE|GOV' .config)
[01:53] <IntuitiveNipple> JesperHansen: if that node doesn't exist there's no frequency-scaling governer installed, hence why it stays at 900Mhz
[01:56] <JesperHansen> just gotta figure out which of the two folders I compiled to the current kernel
[01:58] <IntuitiveNipple> did you set a custom version signature?
[01:58] <JesperHansen> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620377 here
[02:03] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, can't see anything wrong there
[02:04] <johanbr> The processor in the eee doesn't support standard speedstep, so frequency scaling is not going work.
[02:08] <JesperHansen> johanbr: any ideas on how getting it to work?
[02:09] <johanbr> You may want to try these kernels: http://www.array.org/ubuntu/
[02:09] <JesperHansen> There's a package called eeepc-applet that things like in /proc/eee/.., but does nothing really.
[02:10] <IntuitiveNipple> JesperHansen: http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/linux-kernel/2008/11/23/4311824/thread
[02:14] <JesperHansen> johanbr: possible to see those patches in 2.6.28?
[02:14] <JesperHansen> IntuitiveNipple: thanks, looking it through
[02:17] <johanbr> No idea. I'm not a kernel developer.
[02:21] <JesperHansen> weird, http://www.array.org/ubuntu/status.html?model=eeepc-900 lists that a module called asus_eee is in 2.6.27-7generic, but I cant see it
[02:28] <JesperHansen> well, thanks anyways. I'll look into it :)
[03:04] <JesperHansen> How long should git clone git://git.array.org/array/ubuntu-intrepid.git take? Its super duper slow on a eeePC
[03:05] <IntuitiveNipple> The transfer off a full kernel tree is about 350M
[04:41] <JesperHansen> Trying to compile a 2.6.28 kernel with the eeepc modules on that page
[04:56] <JesperHansen> Will be back with a report on it in... 7-8 hours when its complete :P
[05:30] <dholbach> hello my Kernel friends :)
[05:30] <JesperHansen> what do you think we are, modules :)?
[05:30] <dholbach> did anybody complain already that they just get a black screen when usplash is done with the new kernel (intel graphics, Lenovo X61s)?
[10:18] <dholbach> did anybody complain already that they just get a black screen when usplash is done with the new kernel (intel graphics, Lenovo X61s)?
[11:13] <apw> dholbach, which kernel?
[11:13] <apw> not heard anything from anyone as yet
[11:13] <dholbach> 2.6.28-7.20
[11:13] <dholbach> with 2.6.28-6.17 it's all good
[11:14] <apw> poop.  nothing of the sort reported
[11:14] <dholbach> I'll try again in a bit and see if anything changed
[11:14] <apw> i assume the machine is up?
[11:14] <apw> can you flip to other VT's
[11:14] <dholbach> let me do another update and see if anything fixed it
[11:14] <dholbach> apw: no
[11:14] <apw> is X server running ... etc
[11:14] <apw> so machine was proper dead.  hmmm
[11:15] <dholbach> apw: all black, if I logged in (though I couldn't see anything) the hd was doing some work
[11:15] <apw> ok ... so machine is up in some sense.  be good to get openssh-server up and installed
[11:15] <apw> sounds a lot like backlight is off, which is bad
[11:16] <dholbach> let me try again
[11:16]  * dholbach does an upgrade first
[11:17] <dholbach> brb
[11:19] <dholbach> apw: same happening now - I'm logged in via SSH
[11:19] <apw> worth trying to turn on the screen
[11:19] <apw> something like xset dpms force off
[11:20] <apw> then ... on
[11:20] <apw> also worth attaching to X and seeing what if anything it is doing
[11:20] <apw> if its in an EAGAIN loop from select/ioctl, then check the FD thats on (it may be DRI)
[11:20] <dholbach> erm
[11:21] <dholbach> if I do that, it turns off the screen on the machine I'm logging in from?
[11:21] <dholbach> (used ssh -X because of  xset:  unable to open display "" )
[11:23] <dholbach> /var/log/Xorg.20.log:(EE) [drm] Could not set DRM device bus ID.
[11:23] <dholbach> /var/log/Xorg.20.log:(EE) intel(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[11:23] <dholbach> /var/log/Xorg.20.log:(EE) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
[11:23] <dholbach> /var/log/Xorg.20.log:(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
[11:23] <dholbach> ^ is that something I should worry about?
[11:32] <dholbach> apw: ^
[11:33] <apw> dholbach, use DISPLAY=:0 xset ...
[11:33] <dholbach> ah
[11:33] <apw> isn't that .20 your ssh one?  ie the fake one for -X
[11:34] <apw> as in your DISPLAY is :20.0 or something over ssh _X
[11:34] <apw> -X
[11:34] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~$  DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force off
[11:34] <dholbach> No protocol specified
[11:34] <dholbach> xset:  unable to open display ":0"
[11:34] <dholbach> daniel@miyazaki:~$
[11:35] <apw> oddness
[11:35] <apw> try :0.0
[11:35] <apw> though i would expect it to mean the same
[11:36] <dholbach> same happening
[11:38] <apw> ok, then lets ocnfirm which log the X server is using
[11:38] <apw> fd 2 for it should be connected to the right log
[11:38] <apw> so ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd/2 should tell us that
[11:39] <apw> also what intel h/w do you have, my laptop here is intel
[11:39]  * apw goes download the kernel
[11:42] <dholbach> apw: you were right .20. was irrelevant - it was an old one
[11:42] <dholbach> sorry for confusion there
[11:42] <dholbach> apw: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[11:44] <apw> whats the right log say, and what was it called?
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.003639] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.201686] (WW) intel(0): libpciaccess reported 0 rom size, guessing 64kB
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.909985] (WW) intel(0): Register 0x61200 (PP_STATUS) changed from 0xc0000008 to 0xd000000a
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.910021] (WW) intel(0): PP_STATUS before: on, ready, sequencing idle
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.910041] (WW) intel(0): PP_STATUS after: on, ready, sequencing on
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.910070] (WW) intel(0): Register 0x71024 (PIPEBSTAT) changed from 0x00000206 to 0x00000246
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.910113] (WW) intel(0): PIPEBSTAT before: status: VSYNC_INT_STATUS SVBLANK_INT_STATUS VBLANK_INT_STATUS
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.910175] (WW) intel(0): PIPEBSTAT after: status: VSYNC_INT_STATUS LBLC_EVENT_STATUS SVBLANK_INT_STATUS VBLANK_INT_STATUS
[11:46] <dholbach> [    0.941704] (WW) intel(0): DRI2 requires UXA
[11:46] <dholbach> no errors at all
[11:46] <apw> ie what was its name
[11:47] <dholbach> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:47] <apw> so it really should be :0
[11:49] <dholbach> blindly logging in on tty1 and typing 'xset dpms force off' does not seem to do much
[11:55] <apw> dholbach, and force on?
[11:55] <apw> can you tell if you have backlight?
[11:56] <apw> also if you think you are in and have a terminal
[11:56] <apw> echo "$DISPLAY">/tmp/FOO
[11:56] <apw> and see which terminal you are really on,
[11:58] <dholbach> apw: it creates /tmp/FOO for the blindly-logged-in user, but it's empty
[11:58] <dholbach> force on doesn't do anything either
[11:59]  * apw blinks
[12:00] <apw> what variables does env >/tmp/FOO show
[12:00] <apw> are there any GNOME ones in there?
[12:00] <apw> and indeed what does 'tty >/tmp/FOO' say
[12:01] <dholbach> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116426/
[12:01] <dholbach> not sure there's anything exciting there
[12:01] <apw> and tty?
[12:02]  * apw bets its ttyN
[12:02] <apw> i think you are not logged in under X there
[12:02] <apw> i think you are in on the VT-1 console login (TERM=linux)
[12:03] <dholbach> apw: ah yes, sorry
[12:03] <dholbach> I should have said that
[12:03] <dholbach> I can blindly log into gnome and try to xset something there
[12:04] <apw> its $DISPLAY off the gnome thats interesting
[12:04] <apw> and xset there of course
[12:04] <apw> the $DISPLAY will tell us where we should talk to on ssh
[12:06] <dholbach> apw: from the SSH session I can xset now
[12:06] <dholbach> excuser-moi
[12:07] <dholbach> when I "off", the screen flickers shortly and goes from black to even-more black for a sec :)
[12:07] <dholbach> nothing in X log, syslog or .xsession-errors though
[12:08] <apw> so backlight is likely on then
[12:08] <apw> as it got blacker when turned off
[12:08] <apw> and X is working cause you can type
[12:08] <apw> what does xrandr say in ssh
[12:08] <dholbach> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 1024
[12:09] <dholbach> VGA disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[12:09] <dholbach> LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 246mm x 185mm
[12:09] <dholbach>    1024x768       50.0 +   85.0     75.0     70.1     60.0*    40.0
[12:09] <dholbach>    832x624        74.6
[12:09] <dholbach>    800x600        85.1     72.2     75.0     60.3     56.2
[12:09] <dholbach>    640x480        85.0     72.8     75.0     59.9
[12:09] <dholbach>    720x400        85.0
[12:09] <dholbach>    640x400        85.1
[12:09] <dholbach>    640x350        85.1
[12:09] <apw> is it that low res?  a t60?
[12:09] <dholbach> X61s
[12:09] <apw> oh baby one
[12:10] <dholbach> 1024x768 is correct
[12:10] <dholbach> yeah :)
[12:10] <apw> i think kirkland has one of those too, must get him to try also
[12:10] <apw> now dri was enabled wasn't it
[12:10] <apw> so lets try turning that off
[12:11] <apw> Option "NoDri"
[12:11] <apw> in the device section of xorg.conf, eliminate the kernel
[12:11] <apw> which we believe it is
[12:12] <dholbach> apw: no dice :-/
[12:12] <dholbach> apw: the strange thing is, I don't see a tty either
[12:12] <dholbach> when I stop gdm I still don't see anything
[12:12] <apw> very very strange
[12:13] <apw> if you disable GDM, fix the init script to prevent it starting X ?
[12:13] <dholbach> I could try booting with nosplash or however it's called
[12:13] <dholbach> I'll try gdm first
[12:14] <apw> its odd for sure
[12:16] <dholbach> apw: the same, even without gdm running on start
[12:16]  * dholbach tries booting without usplash
[12:16] <apw> good plan indeed
[12:16] <dholbach> how do I regenerate all initramfs-es? could it be something with those that's broken?
[12:17]  * dholbach has no clue whatsoever :)
[12:17] <tjaalton> just edit the grub cmdline
[12:17] <tjaalton> remove 'splash'
[12:17] <apw> yeah to turn that off is easy
[12:17] <dholbach> tjaalton: yep, just did it - let's see what happens
[12:17] <dholbach> I see boot messages! :-)
[12:17] <dholbach> I see GDM!
[12:17] <apw> if you reinstall the kernel package it will rebuild those
[12:17] <tjaalton> there you go :)
[12:18] <apw> so uspash is buggering something, hmm
[12:18] <mjg59> Are you in a KMS world for Intel yet?
[12:18] <tjaalton> no..
[12:18] <mjg59> Ok, so usplash will still be using vesa
[12:18] <tjaalton> so jaunty should be the last release with usplash
[12:18] <apw> tjaalton, what will we do instead?
[12:18] <mjg59> It ought to be falling back to text mode
[12:18] <tjaalton> apw: plymouth
[12:18] <mjg59> I mean, it ought to be switching back to text mode on exit
[12:19] <mjg59> dholbach: If you switch back to a text console and run usplash by hand, does it exit cleanly and give you a console again?
[12:19] <tjaalton> apw: it was discussed at UDS, but since KMS is still immature, it didn't make any sense to have it for jaunty
[12:20] <tjaalton> besides it needs .29 and only supports intel atm
[12:20] <dholbach> mjg59: no, leaves me in a black world again :-/
[12:21] <tjaalton> dholbach: hmm, maybe if you regenerate the -6 initramfs.. it might get broken too
[12:21] <tjaalton> usplash was updated recently
[12:21] <dholbach> mjg59: exit code is 0
[12:21] <tjaalton> blame kees :)
[12:22] <dholbach> tjaalton: just regenerated the intramfseseses
[12:22] <mjg59> dholbach: Yeah, sounds like usplash is failing to restore textmode in that case
[12:22] <tjaalton> dholbach: have you tried the working kernel since?
[12:22] <mjg59> dholbach: Does typing blind vbetool vgamode 3 work?
[12:22] <dholbach> tjaalton: hang on, trying with the new initramfs
[12:23] <tjaalton> competing questions :)
[12:23] <dholbach> no, that doesn't make it work
[12:23]  * dholbach tries mjg59's suggestion next :)
[12:23] <tjaalton> dholbach: so, the kernel version that used to work is now broken as well?
[12:24] <tjaalton> I'm quite sure it's the changes to usplash that broke it
[12:24] <dholbach> mjg59: it gives me the tty back and says "function not supported" :)
[12:24] <dholbach> tjaalton: hang on, I'll try rebooting into 2.6.28-6.17
[12:25] <tjaalton> dholbach: did you regenerate the initramfs for it?
[12:25] <dholbach> tjaalton: yes, for both
[12:25] <tjaalton> ok
[12:25]  * dholbach gets more tea in the meantime
[12:26] <dholbach> ... if only booting was faster! ;-)
[12:26] <tjaalton> sucky bios vendors ftl
[12:26] <dholbach> tjaalton: yay... now both kernels don't work with "splash" :-)
[12:26] <tjaalton> dholbach: touché
[12:26] <tjaalton> so bug kees :)
[12:27] <mjg59> dholbach: When the screen is black?
[12:28] <dholbach> mjg59: right after usplash it's flickering a bit, but stays black - or what is your questions?
[12:28] <dholbach> question
[12:29] <mjg59> dholbach: You run usplash, it turns the screen black. You then do vbetool vgamode 3 - what happens?
[12:31] <dholbach> mjg59: it gives me the tty back and says "Function not supported"
[12:32] <mjg59> dholbach: So it makes the screen turn back on?
[12:32] <dholbach> mjg59: yeah
[12:32] <mjg59> If so, it's a usplash bug - it should be doing exactly the same thing
[12:33] <dholbach> thanks a bunch mjg59
[12:33] <dholbach> mjg59: I passed the message on to kees
[12:34] <dholbach> thanks mjg59, tjaalton, apw - the world definitely needs more people like you :)
[12:35] <tjaalton> dholbach: heh
[14:28] <Ng> smb_tp: hey
[14:29] <smb_tp> Ng, Hi
[14:29] <Ng> smb_tp: did the sparc fix we were discussing the other day with fabbio make it into the archive yet? :)
[14:29] <Ng> istr it was heading for -proposed?
[14:29] <smb_tp> Ng, Into -proposed, yes
[14:30] <Ng> aha, excellent
[14:30]  * Ng goes hunting
[14:31] <Ng> linux-image-2.6.24-23-sparc64_2.6.24-23.49_sparc.deb ?
[14:32] <smb_tp> Ng, this should be the right version
[14:32] <Ng> smb_tp: great, thanks
[14:32] <smb_tp> Np
[15:42] <Keybuk> smb_tp: could you join #ubuntu-meeting ?
[16:08] <pgraner> sconklin: book the tix... arrive Thurs AM (or Wed PM your choice), leave Fri PM. Stay near the Airport
[16:09] <pgraner> sconklin: also book a rental car
[16:09] <pgraner> -EWRONGCHANNEL
[16:42] <maco> when a patch that ubuntu has committed stops being needed because it's accepted upsteam, is it automatically removed by you guys, or do you need to be told it's been added upstream?
[16:47] <smb_tp> maco, We will normally detect this as long as the upstream version is not completely different. In that case a hint is always appreciated.
[16:47] <maco> ok
[16:51] <dholbach> hiya
[16:51] <dholbach> what is our answer to people with a broadcom 4312 card in intrepid?
[16:51] <rtg> dholbach: LRM works, though its a blob
[16:51] <dholbach> rtg: ok.. I'll check out what's happening here
[16:55] <dholbach> rtg: seems it's not stock ubuntu and it wasn't there - thanks again
[16:56] <rtg> dholbach: what do you mean its not stock ubuntu? linux-restricted-modules contains the broadcom device driver.
[16:57] <dholbach> rtg: it's an Ubuntu derivative who ship their own lrm-eeepc-something
[16:57] <dholbach> rtg: it's called "easy-peasy"
[16:57] <dholbach> ha
[16:57] <rtg> oh, ok
[20:03] <CarlFK> how do I disable cpu scaling?
[21:04] <Kano> hi rtg , i mailed you about qc-usb, i fixed the compile error but could not test it yet, but as it worked maybe before it should do too. i only added the new driver because i tested that first and it was working well.
[23:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Do we have a plan to fix the ehci/uhci load order bug # 296710 that causes USB2 (480mbs) devices to run at USB1 speed (11mbps) ? I just got stung by this copying a 23G file-system image from an external USB drive, wondering why it was taking so long. (dd reported 7.9MB/s instead of the usual 29MB/s)