[23:17] <camotherapy123> Hi guys, on your website tour in graphics, the link for mypaint down the bottom seems to go to some sort of dodgy site. Could you please have a look at this for me before they dupe someone? Thanks
[23:17] <camotherapy123> https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/graphics/


[20:29] <tavo> Hello People, I wanted to fix this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1510731 having run onto it myself 2 years ago. Is this guide  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development) still current? Is bazaar still the official versioning control you use?


[00:09] <ScottL> hello again
[00:12] <ScottL> zequence, did you want to try to update the g+ ubuntu studio page to make the facebook page?
[00:15] <zequence> ScottL: Ah, I've kind of forgotten about that. Been so busy with other things. But, I was probably also waiting for you to collect the artwork. I'd like to see what else is available
[00:16] <zequence> With fb, I kind of just went ahead and updated without any staging. I'd like to stage before implementing.
[00:17] <zequence> I should probably not do the final products. I see my work only as a pragmatic short term solution
[00:18] <zequence> ..as I don't know graphics and how to make the image have quality, not only in design, but also in how it's processed and converted to which ever file format
[00:20] <ScottL> i've gotten the artwork, i just need to finish a couple of things on it, download from bzr, merge, and push
[11:39] <ttoine> hello
[12:23]  * smartboyhw thought it is rare that zequence is away
[12:29] <smartboyhw> astraljava, so what do ya think?
[12:29] <astraljava> I'll read that page through first.
[12:29] <smartboyhw> Good:D
[12:29] <astraljava> I'm playing email pong with a customer, so it might take a while. :)
[12:29] <smartboyhw> I hate email pongs:P
[12:30] <astraljava> Don't get me started...
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Damn I need to send an email to everyone about Ubuntu QA Classroom sessions, still hasn't decided on the time...
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Haven't "seen" you for 3 weeks!
[13:28] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw !  yes, it has been a while
[13:28] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :D
[13:29] <smartboyhw> How's life? I know your work is hard these days (read the log yesterday)
[13:29] <scott-work> you didn't need to throw yourself on your sword in the -release email for the reports, ultimately i believe it to be my responsibility
[13:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, good then:D
[13:32] <smartboyhw> scott-work, actually I found we are the only distro sending these reports aren't we????
[13:33] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yes, it's been very busy, especially with year's end and a weird mix of work, but it is going okay, i'm just getting frustrated because there are other things (like skills matrix and creating a wiki) that i want, and NEED, to get done and can't seem to get to them
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[13:34] <scott-work> smartboyhw: just to be clear, if by "reports" you mean "emails to the -release team", then everyone including lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, the desktop team, the ux team, unity team, and metric tonne of others have and should be continuing to do so
[13:35] <scott-work> there were also "team reports" we have done in the past, i am unsure of the status of those, perhaps they are not in flavour anymore
[13:35] <smartboyhw> But they don't....
[13:35] <scott-work> "favour"
[13:35] <scott-work> hmmm, they really should....even if there isn't a meeting anymore
[13:36] <scott-work> it may be to their own disadvantage to not send things, i view it as a very good forum to update important people and get direct help
[13:36] <smartboyhw> I think that one day the Ubuntu Release Team will have to call a meeting just to call back those emails....
[13:38] <smartboyhw> When is 12.04.2 delayed till? till Alpha 2 date right?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> That will be a BIG problem for Kubuntu and Edubuntu....
[13:38] <smartboyhw> For us it is simple:D
[13:38]  * smartboyhw reminds himself to send a testing annoucement of 12.04.2 once the testing week starts
[14:57] <smartboyhw> scott-work, len-1304 zequence PING
[14:57] <smartboyhw> I can't find x86 images in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/precise/dvd/current/
[15:06] <scott-work> interesting. and looking back into the previous (and available) folders, i don't see any there as well
[15:07] <scott-work> but hopefully your email to the release mail will yield an answer, smartboyhw
[15:09] <smartboyhw> :D
[17:47] <scott-work> i'm not sure it's a kernel issue as per the email to -release. we don't seem to experience the same issue in the logs as mythbuntu and it looks like we are getting the kernel installed into the image without errors
[17:48] <scott-work> i'm guessing (pure speculation actually) that perhaps out image is being built fine but whatever process eventually publishes the images craps out when it reaches mythbuntu and then never makes it to our i386 image to copy?
[17:48] <scott-work> again, wild guessing
[17:51] <scott-work> bah, i'm wrong, but i don't know what the problem actually is
[17:54] <scott-work> http://kapok.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/raring/ubuntustudio-dvd/current/livecd.ubuntustudio-dvd.kernel-lowlatency.efi.signed: 2012-12-18 18:40:38 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[23:07] <scott-work> going home but i'll probably be back on later
[23:19] <ttoine> falktx, would you be here ?
[23:19] <falktx> hm?
[23:20] <falktx> am I not here?
[23:26] <ttoine> great
[23:26] <ttoine> falktx, I asked you some questions in the past about jack and muti cpu
[23:26] <astraljava> I am what I am, therefore I'm here. Am I not?
[23:27] <ttoine> falktx, maybe you can explain why when I do an export in Ardour or Mixbus, only one cpu core is used ?
[23:27] <falktx> not according to schrodinger's cat
[23:28] <falktx> ttoine: because it needs data to be in sync
[23:28] <falktx> multi-cpu audio processing is very hard to do
[23:28] <ttoine> and it is not possible with multiple cpu or cores ?
[23:28] <falktx> even jack doesn't do it
[23:29] <ttoine> falktx, and what about jackdmp ?
[23:29] <falktx> same thing
[23:29] <falktx> jackdmp/jack2 just splits the rt and non-rt threads
[23:29] <falktx> the audio thread is still just 1
[23:29] <ttoine> falktx, so it means that every effects, mix, etc... in ardour is done using only one core ?
[23:30] <ttoine> even when recording or mixing ?
[23:30] <falktx> can't say for sure, but it's very likely
[23:30] <falktx> some CPU will of course go to the background threads, other to gui stuff
[23:30] <ttoine> so having more than 2 cores in not usefull... one for the system, and one for jack...
[23:30] <falktx> it is useful
[23:30] <ttoine> why ?
[23:30] <falktx> apps nowadays have multiple threads
[23:30] <falktx> usually 3
[23:30] <falktx> 1 - audio rt thread
[23:31] <falktx> 2 - background thread for lockless operations
[23:31] <falktx> 3 - gui thread
[23:31] <falktx> I bet 90% of audio apps have at least those 3
[23:31] <ttoine> gui thread can be managed by cairo/opengl/compiz etc. by the gpu, I guess
[23:32] <falktx> gui painting, not gui thread
[23:32] <falktx> but it helps, sure
[23:32] <ttoine> those 3 threads are splitted on the cores by Linux ?
[23:33] <falktx> I believe so
[23:33] <falktx> I don't know enough about these details, this is low-level stuff
[23:33] <ttoine> is there a way to fix rt audio thread on a core, and the other and the system on the other ?
[23:34] <falktx> afaik, no, the kernel decides that
[23:34] <ttoine> ok
[23:34] <ttoine> it means so that in order to have a good performance for mixing, with a lot of tracks and effects, I have to find the better "cores"
[23:35] <falktx> a high-freq quadcore seems the best option for me now
[23:35] <ttoine> the matter is that it is very subjective, because Intel and Amd don't have the same instructions sets
[23:35] <falktx> SSD disks help if you want to read/write a lot of stuff
[23:35] <falktx> Intel > AMD
[23:35] <ttoine> of course...
[23:35] <ttoine> falktx, not in all cases. AMD are very common on high computing
[23:36] <falktx> well I just dont trust AMD
[23:36] <ttoine> why ?
[23:36] <falktx> because of how they manage linux releases
[23:36] <ttoine> ?
[23:37] <falktx> it's so much unprofessionalism it's a joke
[23:37] <falktx> even the actual AMD employes don't like AMD...
[23:37] <ttoine> you think it is better to use a 32 or a 64 bits linux system ?
[23:38] <falktx> 64bit of course...
[23:38] <ttoine> ok
[23:38] <falktx> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/amd-accuses-former-top-employees-of-stealing-over-100000-documents/
[23:38] <ttoine> maybe working on overclocking would be interesting in order to allow more tracks in Ardour / Mixbus ;-)
[23:41] <ttoine> falktx, ok. thanks
[23:42] <ttoine> very strange to see that AMD is often preferred for high power computing
[23:43] <falktx> well, I just don't like them
[23:44] <ttoine> you work with them ? or it is just like Ferrari versus Aston Martin, a personnal feeling ?
[23:45] <falktx> have you seen their graphics drivers?
[23:45] <falktx> how poor they manage that or don't care?
[23:45] <ttoine> falktx, yes I agree
[23:46] <falktx> they made several deals with Microsoft
[23:46] <falktx> I wouldn't be surprise if the lack of linux support is done on purpose
[23:46] <ttoine> the nvidia driver is not better...
[23:47] <falktx> I beg to disagree
[23:47] <ttoine> maybe for the same purpose. but it is a bit better since valve is working on the Ubuntu version
[23:47] <falktx> nvidia still has closed versions, but they don't even begin to compare with AMD
[23:49] <ttoine> nvidia provide a good driver gui. but there are still some bugs with cairo with the closed driver, and this bug isn"t in amd and intel driver
[23:50] <ttoine> falktx, nvidia driver is not recommanded by the technical support of Mixbus, because of that
[23:50] <falktx> I could care less about Mixbus, sorry
[23:51] <falktx> both amd and nvidia have their bugs
[23:51] <ttoine> don't be sorry...
[23:52] <ttoine> falktx, maybe it would be interesting to speak with jack developpers to know if jack is optimised for specific intel or amd instructions like 3Dnow!, etc.
[23:53] <ttoine> and about Mixbus, the bug will the same for Ardour 3
[23:53] <falktx> ttoine: jack is as much optimized as you compile it to
[23:54] <ttoine> falktx, so with a amd64 package in Ubuntu repositories or in kxstudio repositories, it is optimized sor Intel or Amd, or any of them ?
[23:54] <ttoine> I mean, just for common x86 64 bit ?
[23:55] <falktx> I would need to the packages
[23:55] <ttoine> ?
[23:55] <falktx> errr
[23:55] <falktx> I would need to check the packages
[23:55] <ttoine> ok
[23:56] <ttoine> falktx, thanks for you answers. it is always very interesting to chat with you.
[23:58] <falktx> sure


[22:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#4069 closed: Update kde content snap version and update regex to reflect change <Created by ScarlettGatelyMoore> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4069>


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[00:01] <kristian_> I habitually shut down with "sudo poweroff" run from a terminal... is it a bad idea?
[00:02] <geirha> Depends on whether you're running xorg or not.
[00:03] <geirha> Many X applications won't manage to save their settings/state when you kill them.
[01:48] <^zenhoobb-it> hi to all, my friends! ;-)
[01:48] <^zenhoobb-it> how are you?
[01:55] <^zenhoobb-it> hey drubin ! nhandler ! ibuclaw ! tronyx !
[02:07] <holstein> ^zenhoobb-it: check out #ubuntu-beginners-team :)
[02:07] <holstein> oh well...
[05:09] <SpaceDuck_> I'm unable to sudo after upgrading to 11.04 - It says Authentication failure, but I know the password is correct
[05:09] <SpaceDuck_> any  ideas?
[05:11] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: re-confirm the password is correct
[05:11] <holstein> then, do something like open synaptic
[05:11] <holstein> as normal user
[05:11] <holstein> see if your normal user has somehow become root
[05:12] <SpaceDuck_> synaptic accepts the password
[05:12] <holstein> but, you were prompted..
[05:12] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: whats the exact error?
[05:14] <SpaceDuck_> yep, prompted on launch
[05:14] <SpaceDuck_> su: Authentication failure
[05:16] <holstein> i get that when i try
[05:16] <holstein> su root
[05:16] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: try
[05:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[05:17] <SpaceDuck_> that works, it asked for the password for my username
[05:17] <holstein> and worked fine?
[05:18] <SpaceDuck_> yep, package list updated
[05:18] <holstein> interesting
[05:18] <holstein> maybe the issue is more with the command you are trying to run
[05:18] <SpaceDuck_> I was just typing "su"
[05:19] <SpaceDuck_> no parameters
[05:19] <holstein> oh yeah
[05:19] <holstein> you cant do that
[05:19] <holstein> in buntu
[05:20] <holstein> theres not a traditional root user like that
[05:20] <holstein> you just sudo
[05:20] <holstein> if you want a root shell
[05:20] <holstein> you run
[05:20] <holstein> sudo -s
[05:20] <SpaceDuck_> like "sudo conky&"
[05:21] <holstein> sudo whatever
[05:21] <holstein> or sudo -s
[05:21] <holstein> then whatever
[05:24] <SpaceDuck_> holstein, thanks
[05:24] <holstein> SpaceDuck_: anytime :)
[05:24] <SpaceDuck_> I thought I was using "su" before upgrading.... maybe not
[05:24] <holstein> you can change it
[05:25] <holstein> i wouldnt suggest it though
[05:25] <holstein> but, it can be done
[05:25] <holstein> maybe you did that
[05:25] <holstein> and an upgrade 'fixed' it ?
[05:25] <SpaceDuck_> Do you happen to know of the app that lets you monitor connections to apache in realtime?
[05:26] <SpaceDuck_> I just can't remember what its called.
[05:27] <holstein> maybe http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/visitors.1.html ?
[05:28] <holstein> maybe webalizer?
[05:28] <holstein> im not sure
[05:31] <SpaceDuck_> I'm actually thinking now it's not an app. It the a command to return the the most recent entries of the logfile.
[05:31] <SpaceDuck_> some grep thing I think
[06:53] <rror404NotFound> bioterror:
[06:53] <rror404NotFound> holstein:
[06:53] <bioterror> you said you will come back after 5 years
[06:53] <bioterror> did I sleep for 5 years or what?!
[06:53] <rror404NotFound> lol
[06:54] <rror404NotFound> do you feel well rested?
[06:54] <rror404NotFound> its possible
[06:56] <Error404NotFound> does that mean yer not gonna help me for 5 yrs bioterror
[06:57] <Error404NotFound> guess so
[07:00]  * Error404NotFound cries
[07:01] <kristian_> hi
[07:03] <kristian_> I forgot how to start a program in an SSH sesssion... I have "xterm -e ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but how do I get it to start a program on the host box?
[07:03] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:
[07:04] <yax51> does anyone know anything about the PCSX project?
[07:04] <xardas008> kristian_, you mean a program an the computer you connected to?
[07:04] <geirha> xterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands;'
[07:04] <kristian_> hello xardas008 - yes
[07:06] <kristian_> hi geirha - the xterm shuts down just after I give my password when I try that
[07:06] <yax51> or better yet, a PS emulator that will allow me to play my PS discs...
[07:07] <holstein> Error404NotFound: pong
[07:07] <Error404NotFound> ping
[07:07] <Error404NotFound> dude i swear my computer is broken
[07:08] <geirha> kristian_: add a read afterwards: xterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands; read'
[07:08] <holstein> Error404NotFound: start testing hardware
[07:08] <Error404NotFound> it worked...
[07:09] <Error404NotFound> still works in windows
[07:09] <geirha> xterm closes as soon as all commands you told it to run is complete. The read will make it wait for you to hit enter before closing.
[07:09] <Error404NotFound> i just reinstalled natty
[07:09] <Error404NotFound> and the stupid nics dont work
[07:10] <Error404NotFound> wireless barely works
[07:11] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i would pick one at a time
[07:11] <holstein> and just start troubleshooting
[07:11] <Error404NotFound> how
[07:11] <Error404NotFound> it all worked
[07:11] <Error404NotFound> for almost a month
[07:11] <Error404NotFound> ubuntu worked great
[07:12] <holstein> what version?
[07:12] <holstein> 10.04?
[07:12] <Error404NotFound> natty
[07:12] <holstein> thats what i would try*
[07:13] <kristian_> geirha, hurm.... still not working
[07:13] <Error404NotFound> wish i knew why wireless has no speed
[07:13] <holstein> for me
[07:13] <holstein> i usually get hardware working
[07:13] <Error404NotFound> literaly bytes per sec
[07:13] <holstein> from the live CD
[07:14] <holstein> *before* installing
[07:14] <geirha> kristian_: Hm. This works for me: xterm -e ssh localhost 'echo hello; read'
[07:14] <holstein> i usually try a few
[07:14] <holstein> the LTS
[07:14] <holstein> the current
[07:14] <holstein> knoppix
[07:14] <holstein> whatever i can use
[07:14] <Error404NotFound> holstein: when i installed my nicsx just worked
[07:15] <holstein> Error404NotFound: what broke them?
[07:15] <Error404NotFound> updated during install
[07:15] <holstein> updates?
[07:15] <holstein> right
[07:15] <Error404NotFound> i have no clue
[07:15] <holstein> so, dont update
[07:15] <kristian_> geirha, that works for me to
[07:15] <holstein> OR, take more control over what updates
[07:15] <Error404NotFound> im on a diff hdd and they didnt work when i started my install
[07:15] <kristian_> but, what I need to run is ncmpcpp, and it segfaults
[07:15] <Error404NotFound> it has to be hardware
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> i would think
[07:16] <kristian_> Error404NotFound, flaky wifi?
[07:16] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you still have windows installed right?
[07:16] <holstein> if so, test it there
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> diff hdd
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> both ethernet ports work in windows
[07:16] <holstein> right, but all the other hardware is the same no?
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> 50+ mbps
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> yes
[07:16] <holstein> Error404NotFound: if they both work in windows
[07:16] <holstein> then, its not hardware
[07:16] <Error404NotFound> just a raptor in a hdd dock
[07:17] <holstein> its driver/kernel related i say
[07:17] <Error404NotFound> why when i installed the first time did the internet work
[07:17] <kristian_> I hate to say this, but I have experienced *terrible* wifi on some ubuntu installations
[07:17] <Error404NotFound> b4 install
[07:17] <holstein> Error404NotFound: like i said, if you updated
[07:17] <holstein> a kernel update could break that
[07:17] <kristian_> 10.4 to be exact
[07:17] <Error404NotFound> .....
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> i am installing natty
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> clean
[07:18] <geirha> kristian_: Hm. Sounds like a bug with ncmpcpp, then.
[07:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> new hdd
[07:18] <holstein> you might want to try 10.10
[07:18] <holstein> live
[07:18] <holstein> and 10.04
[07:18] <geirha> kristian_: As a shot in the dark, try with uxterm
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> im asking
[07:18] <holstein> i mean, we could refer to 10.10 and 11.04 as 'testing' releases
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> why would ethernet work the first time i installed
[07:18] <kristian_> geirha, ncmpcpp *is* buggy - I actually have to run an alias for it
[07:18] <Error404NotFound> but not now
[07:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: because thats *prior* to the upgrade
[07:19] <Error404NotFound> upgrade of what!?
[07:19] <holstein> that had a potential kernel update
[07:19] <geirha> kristian_: Oh, that alias probably doesn't get used
[07:19] <holstein> or something else that broke funcionality
[07:19] <holstein> Error404NotFound: system package updates
[07:19] <holstein> upgrades*
[07:19] <Error404NotFound> did you not see me say new hdd fresh install
[07:19] <Error404NotFound> same natty cd
[07:19] <kristian_> (it's the latest unstable version, so buggy is expected)
[07:19] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i also saw you say 'updated during install'
[07:20] <holstein> anyways
[07:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you can figure it out
[07:20] <Error404NotFound> noooooooooooooooo
[07:20] <Error404NotFound> the nics dont work
[07:20] <Error404NotFound> as in no internet during install
[07:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right
[07:20] <holstein> right
[07:20] <holstein> i get it
[07:20] <holstein> but, im out for now
[07:20] <holstein> i would try google
[07:20] <Error404NotFound> they worked the first time i installed ubuntu
[07:20] <geirha> kristian_: Add all the options the alias adds
[07:20] <holstein> with the lspci info
[07:20] <kristian_> geirha, it's in .bash_aliases
[07:20] <holstein> google or the SE of your choice
[07:20] <holstein> GN all...
[07:21] <geirha> kristian_: Yes, that won't be read by a non-interactive shell.
[07:21] <Error404NotFound> lpednone of that he;
[07:21] <yax51> anyone know of a PS emulator that will allow me to play me PS discs? not the ISO's or ROMS
[07:21] <kristian_> but yes, it seems to be ignored
[07:21] <Error404NotFound> none of that helped
[07:22] <geirha> kristian_: And even if you told it to specifically source it, aliases are disabled by default in non-interactive shells.
[07:23] <kristian_> nice to know
[07:24] <kristian_> can't do much, tried running top this way... no luck
[07:24] <geirha> kristian_: I see it's a curses program. You probably need to use ssh -t then
[07:25] <geirha> xterm -e ssh -t localhost 'top'  # should work
[07:26] <kristian_> geirha, progress!
[07:26] <kristian_> -t was the flag I forgot, yes
[07:33] <kristian_> geirha, yeah, I got it
[07:34] <kristian_> alias ncmpcpp-lugosi="xterm -e ssh -t<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'strace -o ~/bug.txt ncmpcpp; rm ~/bug.txt; read'" - it was this simple all along ;)
[07:35] <geirha> I don't think you need the read in that case
[07:35] <geirha> And it crashes if you don't run it with strace?
[07:42] <kristian_> yeah
[07:43] <geirha> Wow, crazy.
[07:43] <kristian_> yeah, I filed a report on it... the strange thing is that it gives an mpd error message but it's ncmpcpp that is crashing
[07:44] <kristian_> this is the unstable ncmpcpp like I mentioned, though...
[07:44] <kristian_> but glad to get it running, thanks
[07:48] <yax51> I seem to be having issues getting my PnP game controller to work...
[07:50] <Fvic> hi all,can anyone please tell where to start in packaging.i read packaging guide on someone recomdation but where to apply it in rea aaplications?
[07:51] <xardas008> Fvic, did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?
[07:55] <Fvic> xardas008, it was mentioned their only to read that guide.i should go through that again...is it mention their the next step
[09:05] <yax51> anyone know how to setup a generic PnP gamepad? I can't seem to get mine to work...
[09:07] <yax51> I found this thread, but it still doesn't seem to work....
[09:07] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330607&highlight=set+gamepad
[10:15]  * nlsthzn waves
[10:52] <yax51> anyone still alive?
[10:52] <bioterror> nope
[10:52] <bioterror> I just died
[10:52] <nit-wit> barely
[10:52] <xardas008> why should we be dead?
[10:53] <yax51> just wondering...
[10:54] <yax51> does anyoen know about the xboxdrv?
[10:57] <nit-wit> yoou woke us up for that.
[10:57] <nit-wit> ;)
[11:00] <yax51> yes, I've been working on it since 11pm, and I would like to think that your pron can wait :P
[11:01] <xardas008> yax51, did you sleep?
[11:01] <yax51> no, am having some issues trying to compile the dang thing, and am not going to let this thing beat me
[11:01] <yax51> it's only 3am here....
[11:02] <xardas008> hello MrChrisDruif
[11:02] <xardas008> hm, what's the error message yax51 ?
[11:03] <yax51> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606855/
[11:05] <xardas008> puh that's strange, which program should that be?
[11:07] <yax51> thats the terminal output with scons
[11:09] <xardas008> did you read the install instructions? Maybe you need to set a flag so it will work?
[11:12] <yax51> ummm I am not sure what I did.....but it worked.......
[11:12] <xardas008> sometimes sleeping works, it's like rebooting your computer
[11:16] <yax51> hehehe true, but I am on a night schedual, so I won't be going to bed for at least anothe few hours
[11:16] <yax51> :)
[11:19] <yax51> woot woot now I can play ff5 on my pc!!!
[11:19] <bioterror> firefox 5
[11:20] <bioterror> they just released 4
[11:20] <xardas008> i think he means final fantasy 5 xD
[11:20] <yax51> final fantasy 5 :D
[11:20] <xardas008> because you can't play with firefox
[11:21] <yax51> yes you can.......
[11:21] <xardas008> ok when you test some strange things or play browser games xD
[11:23] <yax51> yup, ok so heres the next question, I am creating a launcher, and in the .sh file how do I run the sudo command to automatically enter my password?
[11:24] <xardas008> why automatically?
[11:24] <xardas008> wouldn't it be a security risk because your password stands in the sh file?
[11:26] <yax51> it could be yes, but with a sudo command in the .sh file apparently doesn't call for a password....
[11:27] <xardas008> ok you can specify something in the /etc/sudoers file that sudo does not need a password i think
[11:27] <xardas008> but if this will be good depends on you
[11:28] <yax51> aaah got it. cool thanks!!
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know which Linux alternative I can best use compared to Skype? (Skype never really worked for me)
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> For a small comparison: http://askubuntu.com/questions/41970/what-floss-skype-alternatives-are-available
[12:17] <bioterror> ekiga?
[12:17] <bioterror> they all suck if you compare to skype, trolololooooo
[12:21] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Skype is "not good" (as in the functional way not good)...what is my best shot with an opensource alternative?
[12:22] <bioterror> there's no other client than skype that talks skype protocol
[12:22] <bioterror> that's the biggest problem
[12:22] <MrChrisDruif> Well....not if your family etc isn't really on skype ;)
[12:24] <bioterror> I would go for ekiga, it's the default in ubuntu?, right?
[12:26] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Used to be I think. Empathy is default IM and it's got support for Gtalk with Video Chat....so I'm not sure what to do
[12:27] <bioterror> gtalk might be the thing
[13:05] <rileyp> hi
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha rileyp
[13:23] <rileyp> hi
[13:24] <rileyp> when running mythbuntu installatll cd iselect manual partition and
[13:33] <M0hi> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[13:33] <M0hi> Grrrr
[13:34] <geirha> You're mad at the ubuntu-beginners-team? :P
[13:34] <MrChrisDruif> geirha; He wanted to /join that channel :P)
[13:34] <M0hi> geirha: sometimes :D
[13:36] <rileyp> ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode  how can i fix this its a clean install
[13:37] <bioterror> should be fixed now, as it says?
[14:36] <rileyp> ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode  will fsck fix a problem like this?
[14:36] <bioterror> should fix
[14:38] <rileyp> well freind had six instances of it in dmesg ran fsck on reboot and now has 2 will another fix you think?
[14:39] <bioterror> give it a shot
[14:39] <rileyp> is ther anything else one could do?
[14:40] <rileyp> Its pretty much a clean install so IDK maybe he didnt shutdown properly as he is a linux newcomer
[14:41] <bioterror> ugh
[14:42] <bioterror> you dont shut windows neither just by unplugging power cable
[14:42] <rileyp> bioter I know but Idk him from a bar of soap just trying to help a linux newcomer
[14:43] <bioterror> next time graceful shutdown
[14:45] <rileyp> Well I hope thats what he is doing....
[14:45] <rileyp> Else he will have fun
[15:31] <bobweaver> hi there ubuntu beginners team any one have some time for some serious questions?
[15:32] <stlsaint> bobweaver: sup man
[15:33] <bobweaver> so I have a friend and there HD went out on them and they would like me to fix it I have some extra HD laying around
[15:33] <bobweaver> and
[15:33] <bobweaver> want to fix it
[15:33] <bobweaver> but
[15:34] <bobweaver> I do not want to be on call all day long for this person
[15:34] <bobweaver> this person knows ubuntu all ready what is a good way to
[15:35] <bobweaver> hand this [erson there computer back but lightly tell them that you don't want calls all night long
[15:36] <rileyp> give them a cd with lucid on it and a hard drive and say have fun
[15:36] <stlsaint> bobweaver: if they already know linux what is the issue that they cannot fix?
[15:36] <rileyp> if this person knows ubuntu
[15:36] <bobweaver> I have the HD
[15:36] <bobweaver> for free
[15:36] <rileyp> mail it too them :D
[15:37] <bobweaver> lol
[15:37] <rileyp> with cd
[15:37] <bobweaver> so you think that lucid is the way to go thanks
[15:37] <bobweaver> you all are great
[15:38] <rileyp> then install on your pc and and get it working remove hdd and put in their pc and reboot make sureit runs and then you run
[15:38] <bobweaver> stlsaint, I gave them ubuntu 10.10 a couple of months ago I am they it guy
[15:39] <bobweaver> stlsaint, butt they are real poor
[15:39] <rileyp> lucid is LTS long term support the rest are just flash in pan...
[15:39] <rileyp> here today gone tomorrow
[15:40] <stlsaint> rileyp: interesting concept there
[15:41] <bobweaver> so I dont want to waste anymore time on it but I cant get it out of my mind that some one could have  great os and they llove ubuntu too but time is money and money is time and... I want to help but not enable kinda like the feeding the homeless
[15:41] <rileyp> well it worked on a few of my systems
[15:41] <stlsaint> bobweaver: give them the tools to succeed then direct them to other support avenues so that you wont leave them high and dry
[15:41] <stlsaint> bobweaver: direct them here ;)
[15:41] <rileyp>  just dont do stupid stuff like create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then  satr on another system else it wont work
[15:42] <stlsaint> rileyp: yea
[15:42] <holstein> bobweaver: yeah, refer them to otehr avenues
[15:42] <bobweaver> ubuntu forums and ubuntu wiki and ?
[15:42] <holstein> your question seems more like a statement, i dont want to help my friends with their computers all the time
[15:42] <holstein> so... make that cleat
[15:43] <holstein> clear*
[15:43] <rror404NotFound> hola
[15:43] <holstein> i help friends with linux/buntu for free
[15:43] <holstein> and i charge for other work
[15:43] <bobweaver> holstein, me too
[15:43] <holstein> but, i wouldnt do it to no end
[15:43] <bobweaver> all the time
[15:43] <holstein> just be clear
[15:43] <rileyp> we all do but you cant spend all your time helping
[15:44] <bobweaver> that is the point that I am at right now
[15:44] <rileyp> you need to do your own thing on your days off too
[15:45] <rileyp> so theach them post exact probelm into google and .0001 seconds later results
[15:45] <bobweaver> I guess that the question is where to point them and also how to let them down with out having them say " this is too complicated I want to use another os .
[15:45] <holstein> bobweaver: you cant
[15:45] <bobweaver> googlubuntu.com
[15:46] <bobweaver> holstein, what do u mean I cant
[15:46] <holstein> you can have them not say that
[15:46] <holstein> if they want to reinstall windows
[15:46] <holstein> you have to let them
[15:46] <bobweaver> of cource
[15:46] <bobweaver> spelling arghh
[15:46] <holstein> just show them how to get here
[15:47] <bobweaver> they cant afford windows
[15:47] <holstein> assuming they are online
[15:47] <rileyp> ubuntu wil do everyting average joe wants  anyway internet and email and word documents thses items should not break in general use so whats to hard
[15:48] <Error404NotFound> internet no work!
[15:48] <bobweaver> and that is whole new this I had them going with a daul boot and they want it again
[15:48] <bobweaver> wireless flash dvd codec
[15:48] <bobweaver> etc
[15:48] <bobweaver> they got software center down
[15:48] <bobweaver> thanks gosh
[15:49] <holstein> bobweaver: i would check the hardware
[15:49] <holstein> make sure the wireless works
[15:49] <holstein> install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:49] <bobweaver> its a bcm 14e4 4318
[15:49] <bobweaver> b43
[15:49] <holstein> right
[15:49] <holstein> so, get that working...
[15:49] <rileyp> bob ther is a multimedia do this it make everything work post in ubuntu forums it will install everything just a couple of cut and pastes
[15:50] <rileyp> hang on
[15:50] <bobweaver> rileyp, got a link
[15:50] <rileyp> looking
[15:50] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:50] <IdleOne> !broadcom
[15:50] <ubot2> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[15:51] <bobweaver> I know how to do it all for them I use to have the same puter but I feel that giving away free harddrives is great once someone gave me one when I had none
[15:52] <rileyp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
[15:52] <bobweaver> rileyp, thanks
[15:52] <rileyp> Its like the good news bible for everyting multimedia ripping dvds everythings
[15:52] <bobweaver> setting it as a home page?
[15:52] <rileyp> add to bookmarks
[15:53] <holstein> or, just do it for them
[15:53] <holstein> before handing it over
[15:53] <bobweaver> multi tab with diff home pages
[15:53] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[15:53] <bobweaver> holstein, I want to but I am busy my self
[15:53] <bobweaver> install can do
[15:53] <bobweaver> but extras I want them to learn
[15:54] <bobweaver> they are great people
[15:54] <holstein> all i did wat sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:54] <holstein> was*
[15:55] <holstein> you shouldnt need to add repos
[15:55] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/
[15:55] <rileyp> you need flash etc as well  medibuntu repo
[15:55] <holstein> right
[15:56] <holstein> anyways, i can understand what you are saying
[15:56] <holstein> but, its really just that one line
[15:57] <holstein> !ask Error404NotFound
[15:57] <ubot2> holstein: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:57] <bobweaver> so this is what I have come up with 1) install (lucid)2) give them the links and show off googlubuntu.com and ubuntu.forums and ubuntu.wiiki 3) see how it goes and pray not to get that many phone calls
[15:57] <holstein> !ask
[15:57] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[15:57] <holstein> Error404NotFound: ^^
[15:57] <bobweaver> with all your help
[15:58] <bobweaver> of course
[15:58] <Error404NotFound> dude i have no idea why my mics dont work anymore
[15:58] <holstein> bobweaver: i say
[15:58] <holstein> it wont take long at all to run that command
[15:58] <holstein> then, test mp3, dvd playback
[15:58] <holstein> and the hardware
[15:58] <bobweaver> holstein, I do not want to enable them
[15:58] <holstein> and tell them not to call you for support
[15:59] <bobweaver> holstein, i do want that^^
[15:59] <holstein> bobweaver: i mean, if you want to 'help them learn'
[15:59] <holstein> then, give them the install disc
[15:59] <holstein> and let em do it all
[15:59] <holstein> thats infomative
[15:59] <holstein> informative*
[16:00] <holstein> i did that with my moms computer
[16:00] <holstein> checked wifi, DVD playback and mp3's
[16:00] <bobweaver> you gave her the disk to install
[16:00] <holstein> the usual things*
[16:00] <holstein> and i didnt here from her for months
[16:00] <holstein> i thought she wasnt using it
[16:00] <holstein> but, it was just working for her
[16:01] <holstein> bobweaver: im just saying, if you dont want to 'enable' them
[16:01] <holstein> throw them in the deep end then
[16:01] <holstein> installing ubuntu is really quite automated
[16:01] <holstein> from the live CD
[16:01] <holstein> Error404NotFound: if you get a minute
[16:01] <holstein> check out
[16:02] <holstein> !ask
[16:02] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:03] <Error404NotFound> i didnt ask to ask a question
[16:03] <holstein> i was just clarifiying the process
[16:04] <holstein> help me help you :)
[16:04] <Error404NotFound> neither ethernet port on my computer works now
[16:04] <bobweaver> see I messed up too the last time I walked them though alot compiz and a lot more and I know that that is going to be the first thing that he is going to say where did the 3d cube go? I have to just tell them lightly that I am busy and give them the puter with the cd thanks you all nice to meet you :>)
[16:04] <Error404NotFound> for some reason they just stopped
[16:05] <holstein> Error404NotFound: for example
[16:05] <bobweaver> Error404NotFound, what happened with the mic is it internal ?
[16:05] <holstein> "i have a Atheros Communications Atheros AR8132 net card, and recently it has stoppped working"
[16:07] <Error404NotFound> yes internal realtek rtl-8110sc/8169sc
[16:07] <bobweaver> lsmod | grep rtl
[16:07] <holstein> Error404NotFound: how does your hardware work with the 10.04 live CD?
[16:07] <Error404NotFound> wouldnt know
[16:07] <holstein> OK
[16:07] <Error404NotFound> dont have 10.04
[16:07] <holstein> if you get a chance
[16:07] <holstein> try that
[16:07] <holstein> that was a recent suggestion*
[16:08] <Error404NotFound> what good is 10.04 when i dont use it
[16:08] <Error404NotFound> you guys keep thinking its software
[16:08] <Error404NotFound> when i dont think it is
[16:09] <holstein> Error404NotFound: ok
[16:09] <holstein> the deal is
[16:09] <holstein> you said it works fine when in windows
[16:09] <holstein> is that the case?
[16:09] <holstein> if so
[16:09] <holstein> then, when you change software
[16:09] <Error404NotFound> ive installed natty fresh twice
[16:09] <holstein> from windows to linux
[16:09] <holstein> and the hardware is not working properly
[16:09] <Error404NotFound> the nics have worked right away both times
[16:10] <holstein> im at that point going to assume its software
[16:10] <holstein> Error404NotFound: is that not logical?
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> just installed clean again lastnight and they didnt work
[16:10] <holstein> you will need to help me understand that Error404NotFound
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> its not software
[16:10] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right, i realize thats your opinion
[16:10] <bobweaver> you think that there is a switch?
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> thats fact
[16:10] <holstein> im just asking how you tink that?
[16:10] <holstein> think* ?
[16:11] <holstein> Error404NotFound: how?
[16:11] <Error404NotFound> i just explained it
[16:11] <holstein> if it works fine in windows
[16:11] <holstein> right now
[16:11] <Error404NotFound> if you didnt understand i give up
[16:11] <holstein> Error404NotFound: is that not true?
[16:11] <holstein> do the NIC's work as expected with windows?
[16:11] <Error404NotFound> yes
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> doesnt mean anything
[16:12] <holstein> OK
[16:12] <bobweaver> Error404NotFound, You have no internet?
[16:12] <holstein> thats how i rule out a hardware problem
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> i wouldnt
[16:12] <holstein> when the hardware is functional in windows
[16:12] <bioterror> oh you two, get a room! :D
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> it has to be hardware
[16:12] <holstein> Error404NotFound: maybe we have issues with nomenclature
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> it cant be software
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> now i just need to know why its doing this
[16:13] <holstein> what im saying is, the software in linux needs to be further configured
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> no
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> it doesnt
[16:13] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, is your nic built in on system board?
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> yes
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> listen
[16:13] <holstein> Error404NotFound: but it works when you reboot into windows?
[16:13] <bioterror> whats your system board
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> you know it asks to update while installing yes?
[16:13] <bioterror> brand and model
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> it has always worked to update while installing
[16:13] <Error404NotFound> same natty cd
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> fresh install lastnight and it didnt work
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> so unless god changed crap on the same ubuntu cd ive been using
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> its hardware
[16:15] <holstein> so, when you reboot in windows, its broken?
[16:16] <Error404NotFound> does it matter?
[16:16] <holstein> if you want to say 'my hardware is broken'
[16:16] <holstein> and you reboot in windows
[16:16] <holstein> and its not
[16:17] <holstein> i would say that matters
[16:17] <Error404NotFound> so then god changed crap on an ubuntu cd ive used b4...
[16:17] <Error404NotFound> thats more likely than hardware
[16:17] <holstein> ?
[16:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: if you think your hardware is bad
[16:18] <holstein> reboot in windows
[16:18] <holstein> and see
[16:18] <holstein> if its working, then its not bad
[16:18] <holstein> i would leave it on for a while
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> so then you really think god changed my ubuntu cd?
[16:18] <holstein> to make sure its not an intermittened issue
[16:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats not the only scenario :)
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> ive tried a few times now
[16:18] <holstein> i dont know what iso you have
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> ubuntu cd install
[16:18] <holstein> or what hareware chnages
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> they just dont work anymore
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> no hardware changes
[16:19] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right, except in windows? right?
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> who cares about windows
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> irrelivant
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> explain why they worked during install twice now they dont
[16:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: lets just take your machine
[16:20] <holstein> as-is
[16:20] <holstein> IF you boot windows
[16:20] <holstein> all the hareware works right?
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> ok im gonna say no here
[16:20] <holstein> in that scenario, your hardware is all working
[16:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OK
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> cuz it doesnt matter if it works in windows
[16:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: it does
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> no
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> it doesnt
[16:20] <holstein> the driver support is different
[16:20] <holstein> Error404NotFound: check this out
[16:21] <holstein> i use a -realtime kernel
[16:21] <holstein> on a laptop
[16:21] <Error404NotFound> if you think that you dont know much about computers
[16:21] <holstein> about every 6th boot
[16:21] <holstein> the wifi works
[16:21] <holstein> *maybe
[16:21] <holstein> god doenst change anything
[16:21] <bioterror> it was gaia
[16:21] <Error404NotFound> then its hardware
[16:21] <holstein> its just a sketchy driver+kernel scenario
[16:21] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats where i think we are refering to different things
[16:21] <holstein> when you say 'its hardware'
[16:21] <Error404NotFound> so if i keep reinstalling it
[16:21] <holstein> to me
[16:22] <Error404NotFound> it will eventualy work?
[16:22] <holstein> that mean 'the hardware is broken'
[16:22] <holstein> and im saying
[16:22] <holstein> my hardware is find
[16:22] <holstein> fine*
[16:22] <holstein> the driver+kernel are kinda sketchy on my laptop
[16:22] <holstein> so, its intermittened
[16:22] <holstein> BUT, booting with the -generic kernel
[16:22] <holstein> all is good
[16:22] <bobweaver> Error404NotFound, could we know some hard ware ?
[16:23] <holstein> SO, i can rule out that my hardware is bad
[16:23] <holstein> its related to software
[16:23] <holstein> *in my case
[16:23] <Error404NotFound> im using generic
[16:23] <holstein> and, im proposing that with your case
[16:23] <holstein> where
[16:23] <holstein> at one point
[16:23] <holstein> the NIC gets picked up
[16:23] <Error404NotFound> still doesnt explain why it worked during install b4
[16:23] <holstein> kinda works
[16:23] <Error404NotFound> and now it dont
[16:23] <holstein> then the next time doest
[16:23] <holstein> BUT
[16:23] <holstein> in windows it works fine
[16:24] <holstein> which, since it works fine in windows, thats how i rule out that my hardware is bad
[16:24] <holstein> however, if you disagree
[16:24] <holstein> buy new hardware
[16:24] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i'll tell you where you can ship your 'broken' hardware :)
[16:24] <bobweaver> holstein, hardware switch to what
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> its a brand new mobo
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> like a week old
[16:25] <bobweaver> k
[16:25] <holstein> Error404NotFound: brand new?, so you think the hardware is not bad?
[16:25] <holstein> because, thats what i think too
[16:25] <Error404NotFound> i think it is bad
[16:25] <holstein> lol
[16:25] <holstein> then get an RMA
[16:25] <Error404NotFound> its more likely than god changing files on my ubuntu cd
[16:25] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right
[16:25] <holstein> i addressed that
[16:25] <holstein> god doesnt change my setup
[16:25] <holstein> sometimes the wifi works
[16:26] <holstein> usually it doenst
[16:26] <holstein> nothing emaculate about it
[16:26] <holstein> its just the -realtime kernel
[16:26] <bioterror> can you tell us whats the brand and model of the system board
[16:26] <bobweaver> YES^^
[16:27] <bioterror> holstein has chromium with google ready
[16:27] <holstein> bioterror: :)
[16:27] <Error404NotFound> abit ip35 pro xe
[16:27] <bioterror> im on train using phone
[16:31] <bioterror> is that a sandybridge board?-)
[16:31] <Error404NotFound> ?
[16:33] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i dont see anything obvious around that makes me think that MB is unsupported
[16:33] <holstein> im not sure whats going on there
[16:34] <holstein> if i were you, i would DL http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[16:34] <holstein> see how the NIC's and everything seem with that running live
[16:35] <holstein> thats quite a different kernel, so that should tell us if its a kernel regression
[16:35] <Error404NotFound> how do i change kernel
[16:35] <holstein> Error404NotFound: well, an easy way to use a totally different kernel is with the live CD i suggested
[16:35] <holstein> you *can* change kernels
[16:36] <holstein> but, theres really no need
[16:36] <holstein> til you are certain that helps
[16:36] <holstein> and the live CD is a great way to see
[16:36] <holstein> having the LTS live CD is handy anyways
[16:36] <Error404NotFound> im in live cd now
[16:36] <Error404NotFound> 11.04
[16:36] <holstein> Error404NotFound: the 10.04?
[16:36] <Error404NotFound> doesnt work
[16:36] <holstein> lucid = 10.04 live
[16:37] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[16:37] <holstein> you'll see it there ^
[16:37] <holstein> at that link
[16:38] <Error404NotFound> i dont want to use old crap
[16:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats my suggestion
[16:38] <holstein> it will tell you important information
[16:38] <holstein> AND
[16:38] <holstein> its the LTS release
[16:38] <Error404NotFound> so if i had problems in windows 7 would you tell me to try 98?
[16:38] <holstein> so, its actually going to be supported longer
[16:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats not a good anolg
[16:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats not a good anolog*
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> why is there not an iso for intel 64x
[16:39] <holstein> Error404NotFound: there is
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> not on the page you just gave me
[16:40] <holstein> like http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[16:40] <holstein> you just want the 64bit
[16:40] <holstein> BUT
[16:40] <holstein> you could try the 32 if you want
[16:46] <Error404NotFound> lol!
[16:47] <Error404NotFound> told you it was hardware!
[16:47] <holstein> not working in windows now?
[16:47] <Error404NotFound> its working in linux now
[16:47] <Error404NotFound> i reset bios
[16:47] <Error404NotFound> works fine now
[16:47] <holstein> bios = software
[16:47] <holstein> but whatever
[16:47] <holstein> glad its working Error404NotFound :)
[16:48] <Error404NotFound> bios = firmware
[16:48] <Error404NotFound> technicaly still hardware
[16:49] <Error404NotFound> erm now bluetooth dont work
[16:51] <holstein> well, i dont want to split hairs
[16:52] <holstein> but, your hardware is *not* broken
[16:52] <holstein> and thats the important thing
[16:52] <Error404NotFound> was still hardware issue
[16:52] <holstein> whatever
[16:52] <Error404NotFound> which resolved
[16:52] <Error404NotFound> now i need blue tooth to work
[16:52] <holstein> right
[16:52] <holstein> you remember how it works?
[16:52] <holstein> lspci and all that?
[16:55] <duanedesign> import localtime
[16:55] <duanedesign> time = localtime
[16:56] <duanedesign> print 'good'  localtimE
[16:57] <bobweaver> rfkill unblock all
[16:58] <bobweaver> or rfkill unblock bluetooth
[16:58] <bobweaver> Error404NotFound, ^^
[17:08] <stlsaint> duanedesign: hey i forgot the command to connect to my people.ubuntu.com sftp
[17:15] <bobweaver> cprofitt, got a min?#lugor ?
[17:16] <cprofitt> hey bobweaver
[17:16] <cprofitt> sure
[17:17] <cprofitt> bobweaver: should we go to #ubuntu-beginners-team though?
[17:17] <bobweaver> cprofitt, YES
[17:17] <bobweaver> sure
[17:17] <bobweaver> I want to know what else I can do to help local and abroad
[17:18] <bobweaver> I have to go to work @1
[17:18] <cprofitt> join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[17:18] <cprofitt> we can cover it in there
[17:18] <cprofitt> and leave this open for technical assistance
[17:35] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[17:37] <holstein> Error404NotFound: ?
[17:37] <Error404NotFound> how do i install a bin file
[17:37] <holstein> its a windows file?
[17:38] <Error404NotFound> no
[17:38] <Error404NotFound> says linux
[17:38] <holstein> what is it?
[17:38] <Error404NotFound> adobe reader
[17:38] <holstein> right
[17:39] <holstein> Error404NotFound: theres a package
[17:40] <holstein> used to be in the mutlitverse repository
[17:40] <holstein> acroread
[17:40] <Error404NotFound> got adobe
[17:40] <Error404NotFound> software center
[17:40] <holstein> Error404NotFound: check out
[17:40] <holstein> http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/25/how-to-install-adobe-reader-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[17:41] <cprofitt> adobe files should already be opened in DocViewer in Ubuntu
[17:41] <holstein> yeah, i havent used adobes reader in a long time actually
[17:42] <Error404NotFound> now im mad that i didnt reset bios b4 deleting ubuntu lol
[17:42] <Error404NotFound> that dude made flash work great
[17:42] <Error404NotFound> now i have to do it again
[17:42] <philinux> For Acroread, enable the Partner repo in software sources. 150 mb download too.
[17:43] <philinux> Correction 65mb
[17:45] <holstein> Error404NotFound: im sure you know how to find the official logs of this channel
[17:45] <holstein> but
[17:45] <holstein> 22:30 < Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, http://rootzwiki.com/flash.sh download it, chmod +x it then in a terminal ./flash.sh
[17:46] <Error404NotFound> it didnt work though
[17:46] <Error404NotFound> he used teamviewer to fix it
[17:46] <holstein> ok
[17:46] <holstein> well, you can just thank mr for my time then
[17:46] <holstein> and move on :)
[17:46] <Error404NotFound> lol
[17:49] <DraZoro> Hello everyone
[17:49] <Error404NotFound> hola
[18:10] <Error404NotFound> woot i fixed flash by myself
[18:11]  * holstein gives Error404NotFound a gold star
[18:26] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[18:26] <Error404NotFound> could you help me to get my bookmarks from windows into firefox?
[18:34] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, export a .html file from windows
[18:34] <bioterror> and import into firefox
[18:34] <Error404NotFound> ...
[18:35] <bioterror> just like you do it in windows
[18:35] <Error404NotFound> i just copy the faborites folder
[18:35] <bioterror> oh
[18:35] <bioterror> you're IE user
[18:36] <Error404NotFound> yes ma'am
[18:36] <bioterror> what?
[18:36] <Error404NotFound> lol
[18:36] <bioterror> install firefox
[18:36] <bioterror> tell it to import stuff from Internet Explorer when you run it for the first time
[18:36] <bioterror> and export bookmarks from there
[18:37] <bioterror> if only you wouldnt have anything against google
[18:37] <bioterror> Chrome/Chromiu, can sync bookmarks, settings, themes, extensions between clients OTA
[18:38] <Error404NotFound> brb
[18:51] <Error404NotFound> ok that didnt work
[18:53] <holstein> that?
[18:53] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you'll need to install FF in windows
[18:53] <Error404NotFound> exporting favorites
[18:53] <holstein> then, let FF import what you need from IE
[18:53] <holstein> THEN, you'll be able to export from FF to FF
[18:54] <Error404NotFound> when i hit import on ubuntu it says no programs that contain bookmarks history or password data could be found
[18:54] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right
[18:54] <holstein> you wont just hit the magic 'import' button
[18:54] <holstein> you'll navigate to the file you exported
[18:55] <holstein> from the windows FF
[18:55] <holstein> OR
[18:55] <holstein> you can google (or whatever) on how to just move the entire config over
[18:55] <holstein> i cant remember how well that worked when i tried it
[18:56] <holstein> FF also has some nice syncing options
[18:56] <bioterror> holstein, not as nice as chromium
[18:57] <bioterror> and well, chromium is faster ;)
[18:57] <holstein> i still preffer it
[18:57] <holstein> there was something about open tab sync
[18:57] <holstein> that sounded interesting
[18:57] <holstein> *in FF4
[18:57] <holstein> but, its still a little laggy for my taste
[18:57] <Error404NotFound> chromium ran like hell when i installed it
[18:57] <holstein> *much better though
[19:26] <Error404NotFound> ffs i deleted crap on top bar
[19:28] <holstein> ?
[19:30] <Error404NotFound> as in i cant shut down anymore lol
[19:30] <holstein> ?
[19:30] <Error404NotFound> ?
[19:30] <holstein> cant shutdown?
[19:30] <holstein> sudo shutdown -h now
[19:31] <holstein> most of my powerbuttons trigger the shutdown dialog
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> ...
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> how do i get it back
[19:32] <holstein> it?
[19:32] <holstein> let me assume you are in gnome
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> are you retr
[19:32] <holstein> and you want a powerbutton added to the panel
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> retarded
[19:32] <holstein> *added back
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> what comes installed
[19:32] <Error404NotFound> i want back
[19:33] <Error404NotFound> nothing in there
[19:33] <holstein> you right click on the panel
[19:33] <holstein> *if this is the gnome panel
[19:33] <holstein> which im still assuming
[19:33] <holstein> since you havent told me*
[19:33] <holstein> you right click, and go to 'add to panel'
[19:33] <holstein> you'll see all kinds of things you can add there
[19:34] <Error404NotFound> like i said
[19:34] <holstein> you can literally just go through and add them all
[19:34] <Error404NotFound> not in there
[19:34] <holstein> and see what you want to have
[19:34] <holstein> Error404NotFound: and i would not only appreciate you not calling me retarded, but, i would appreciate you not using that type of language here
[19:34]  * holstein thanks you in advance
[19:35] <Error404NotFound> whats wrong with retarded
[19:35] <holstein> its just not that kind of channel
[19:35] <Error404NotFound> ive been around retards nearly my whole life
[19:35] <holstein> and even if you are being light and friendly
[19:35] <Error404NotFound> they dont care
[19:35] <holstein> i dont know you like that
[19:36] <Error404NotFound> only thing in add to panel is shutdown
[19:36] <Error404NotFound> a single button that only shuts down
[19:37] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you mean, the only option to be added to the panel is that?
[19:37]  * holstein still assuming gnome
[19:37] <Error404NotFound> the only power object
[19:37] <holstein> Error404NotFound: thats what you want right?
[19:37] <holstein> you should try the others
[19:37] <holstein> the applets have been, and are being reworked
[19:38] <holstein> SO, it wont say 'shutdown'
[19:38] <holstein> it'll just have the shutdown button in there
[19:38] <Error404NotFound> why cant i make it like b4
[19:38] <holstein> you can*
[19:39] <Error404NotFound> not inthis menu i cant
[19:40] <holstein> Error404NotFound: try adding 'indicator applet session'
[19:40] <holstein> i just found that by randomly adding several
[19:40] <holstein> and checking them out
[19:40] <holstein> which is what i suggested*
[20:38] <mang0> Guys, I messed up xorg.cfg, but  I have a backup in my home folder. How do I replace the messed up one with the backup?
[20:39] <bioterror> :o
[20:39] <bioterror> I know xorg.conf
[20:39] <bioterror> it's located in /etc/X11/
[20:39] <mang0> okay
[20:39] <mang0> thanks
[20:40] <bioterror> you can create new one by using command Xorg -configure
[20:40] <bioterror> but you need to stop your Xdm first
[20:40] <mang0> oh
[20:40] <bioterror> and use console aka teletype
[20:40] <mang0> oh
[20:40] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1 for example
[20:40] <bioterror> to get into tty
[20:40] <mang0> k, so I hit ctrl alt f1 and type Xorg-configure
[20:40] <mang0> or is there a space between Xorg and -configure
[20:41] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[20:41] <mang0> kk
[20:41] <mang0> can I c&p that or is c&p dead in TTY
[20:42] <bioterror> if you use gpm
[20:42] <mang0> sudo Xorg -configure
[20:42] <mang0> isn't that hard to remember
[20:42] <mang0> lol, cya ina sec
[22:11] <Error404NotFound> im trying to move a file and it says permission denied. how can i get permission
[22:11] <bioterror> sudo
[22:12] <bioterror> suprise suprise
[22:12] <bioterror> !sudo | Error404NotFound
[22:12] <ubot2> Error404NotFound: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[22:12] <Error404NotFound> be more specific lol
[22:21] <tron101> im trying to run a program from terminal...do i do su command first?
[22:21] <bioterror> explain more
[22:21] <bioterror> which program
[22:21] <tron101> ifetch?
[22:21] <tron101> its for ip cam
[22:22] <bioterror> does it require root access?
[22:22] <bioterror> priviledges
[22:22] <tron101> i think so cuz i keep getting permission denide
[22:23] <tron101> Error encountered reading the ifetch-tools.conf file of: Permission denied - /etc/ifetch-tools/ifetch-tools.conf
[22:23] <bioterror> sudo command
[22:24] <tron101> i do that but am unable to type in the password
[22:24] <bioterror> it's your password
[22:24] <tron101> it wont type out as letters in terminal
[22:24] <bioterror> geee
[22:24] <Error404NotFound> it dont
[22:24] <bioterror> it doesnt prompt marks
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> just enter pass and hit enter
[22:25] <tron101> ill try agian
[22:25] <bioterror> that's called security
[22:28] <tron101> tron101@ubuntu:~$ sudo command
[22:28] <tron101> [sudo] password for tron101:
[22:28] <tron101> sudo: command: command not found
[22:28] <bioterror> hey
[22:28] <tron101> it wont take my password
[22:28] <bioterror> a little bit more common sense
[22:28] <bioterror> okay?
[22:28] <bioterror> !sudo | tron101
[22:28] <ubot2> tron101: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[22:28] <bioterror> !cli | tron101
[22:28] <ubot2> tron101: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[22:36] <tron101> errrrrrrrr
[22:40] <Error404NotFound> ooh it worked
[22:40] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you have now working NIC?
[22:40] <Error404NotFound> yeah that was fixed awhile ago
[22:40] <Error404NotFound> reset bios and viola
[22:48] <tron101> is there another way to run software downloaded from software center?
[22:49] <bioterror> use your application menu
[22:52] <tron101> why would it not show up there?
[22:56] <tron101> i dont think ubuntu is for me
[22:56] <Error404NotFound> lol
[22:57] <Error404NotFound> sounds familiar
[22:58] <bioterror> but still you hang here fighting with your ubuntu
[22:58] <bioterror> atleast you're trying
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> still be nice to have all my windows favs on ubuntu
[23:03] <Error404NotFound> im not one to give up easily
[23:24] <midnightryder> Ever since I installed Ubuntu 11.04 and install or uninstall programs from Ubuntu Software Center, A window pops up & disappears, with the black border on top. In that border it says "Debconf for robert-YORKTOWN". YORKTOWN being my Gateway computer. Inside the window is blank.
[23:24] <midnightryder> Why does this window appear and what can I do about it?
[23:57] <recent> hello, can someone tell me where does recentmanager store its data?
[23:58] <coalwater> i don't really know what's recent manager, u mean something like recent documents u've opened?
[23:59] <recent> coalwater, yes, that's the one.
[23:59] <coalwater> i think it's a zeitgeist thing, give me a sec


[00:39] <shags> i will get this figured out sooner or later
[00:42] <shags> how do i see whoi is here\
[01:59] <fareast> any reason for not mapping the flag key to the kde menu?
[02:02] <claydoh> it is for me, on Plasma 5.12, Kubuntu 17.10. It was not in older Plasma versions, as it is used as a modifier key, iirc
[07:07] <lordievader1> Good morning
[07:43] <user|4486> Hey
[07:43] <jasa_pijat_JOGJA> heyho
[07:43] <user|4486> Can I get some help not directly related to kubuntu?
[07:43] <user|4486> Im downloading it, to maybe try and solve my problem, but I have another one :thinking:
[07:51] <mendigo> anyone else? =(
[07:55] <mendigo> :thinking:
[08:17] <user|2890> Hey, someone?
[08:34] <lordievader> user|2890: Just ask your question.
[08:46] <CoJaBo> lol.
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:42] <betalectic> hi