[00:42] <chalcedony> my friend has an IBM thinkpad t40 1500MHZ - with lubuntu - but he can't disable mouse gestures on it .. how can he do it?
[00:42] <chalcedony> is a disability issue please
[08:52] <toscho> hi
[08:52] <toscho> I want to use lxkeymap to change capslock to compose, but it doesn't work
[12:04] <toscho> hi
[12:04] <toscho> I'm trying to change capslock to compose via lxkeymap, but it doesn't work
[12:35] <Fedora1> chess game for Lubuntu request
[12:37] <holstein> Fedora1: i would just open the package manager of your choice, and search "chess"
[12:38] <Fedora1> can you don it for me
[12:38] <holstein> i can search, but that wont install anything on your machine Fedora1
[12:39] <Fedora1> its not wroking
[12:39] <holstein> Fedora1: no worries.. just let us know what is not working
[12:42] <Fedora1> I wish aa 2D chess game
[12:43] <holstein> Fedora1: you can check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[12:44] <holstein> Fedora1: however you install software, or manage pacakges... just open that, and search "chess"
[12:44] <holstein> in a terminal for example "apt-cache search chess"
[12:45] <holstein> another example... open synaptic, and search "chess"
[12:45] <holstein> read about the options, and choose one to install
[12:45] <holstein> you can also play something in the browser such as http://www.chess.com/
[16:06] <JJ-2e0bay> afternoon all
[16:55] <toscho> hi
[16:55] <toscho> I'm trying to change capslock to compose via lxkeymap, but it doesn't work
[16:58] <wxl> toscho: you on precise?
[16:58] <toscho> yep
[16:59] <wxl> is the problem that you can make the change but it doesn't save or you can't make the change?
[17:00] <toscho> i can't click the checkbox
[17:00] <toscho> lxkeymap -> tools -> edit
[17:00] <toscho> no
[17:01] <toscho> lxkeymap -> tools -> options
[17:01] <wxl> strange
[17:01] <wxl> same problem here
[17:02] <toscho> are the changes saved in ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg?
[17:03] <wxl> this is a known bug
[17:03] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lxkeymap/+bug/996588
[17:03] <wxl> ^ i'd go there and chime in with osme agreement
[17:04] <wxl> subscribe to the bug report so you can get updates
[17:05] <wxl> and yes ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg is correct
[17:05] <wxl> so you can edit it
[17:06] <toscho> ah
[17:06] <toscho> thx
[17:06] <wxl> np
[17:06] <toscho> so it works, it just doesn't show so
[17:06] <wxl> yeah
[17:06] <wxl> so if you chime in on the bug, it will give it a bit higher priority
[17:06] <wxl> which should draw mroe atttention to it
[17:06] <wxl> which should get it fixed XD
[17:06] <wxl> plus, that way you'll know as soon as a fix or potential fix is out
[17:10] <toscho> it doesn't seem to accept more than one change
[17:12] <toscho> if I set compose:caps und terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp, it only saves the last one in lxkeymap.cfg
[17:13] <wxl> yeah, unfortunately, i've never really messed with it. afaik the config file is new as of about nov of last year so it hasn't been around very long
[17:13] <wxl> i can't find any good documentation for it either
[17:16] <toscho> so, let's see if he has accepted ctrl-alt-bksp as terminate
[17:16] <toscho> no
[17:17] <toscho> ok, he only accepts the last change made
[17:18] <wxl> and now you have reason to make a new bug report
[17:18] <wxl> indeed i find that even when i go through the gui and make multiple changes it will only save one
[17:18] <wxl> seems there's a parsing error
[17:18] <wxl> run it in terminal and look at the output after you've made multiple changes
[17:20] <wxl> if you've never done this before, just run "ubuntu-bug lxkeymap" and it will walk you through what needs to happen
[17:21] <toscho> i've done it before, but it's always taking me a lot of time in launchpad
[17:21] <wxl> ubuntu-bug makes it pretty darn easy
[17:21] <wxl> kind of fills in all the technical info for you
[17:21] <toscho> seems so
[17:21] <qstpp> how did app-review board get into precise?
[17:22] <toscho> so is it a feature, that it only shows the global profile after each restart or a bug?
[17:22]  * wxl is not sure what the smurf app-review board is.
[17:22] <qstpp> it's not listed in sources.list nor sources.list.d but it can be seen in Synaptic Origin
[17:22] <wxl> toscho: heh, doesn't seem so
[17:23] <qstpp> wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/
[17:23] <qstpp> forgot to mention, i was asking about app-review board PPA
[17:24] <wxl> oh, now it makes sense
[17:24] <qstpp> it's there but i can't see it listed in sources
[17:26] <wxl> this may be obvious but is there a key for it, too, qstpp ?
[17:26] <qstpp> brb
[17:32] <qstpp> wxl: didn't find the key for that ppa installed
[17:32] <wxl> that's curious indeed
[17:33] <wxl> unfortunately i'm not in front of my precise machine, so i can't double check that but someone should
[17:33] <wxl> you SURE you didn't add it?
[17:35] <qstpp> wxl: yes, didn't add it and i have found a question on askubuntu noticing the same thing
[17:35] <wxl> bizarre-o
[17:35] <wxl> i don't have it in quantal
[17:35] <wxl> might be a good question to post to the mailing list
[17:35] <qstpp> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148181/synaptic-package-manager-for-me-unknown-link-in-origin
[17:51] <noob321> Hello, can anyone say me which Kernel lubuntu 11.10 uses?
[17:52] <wxl> noob321: should be <IP_ADDRESS>.26 i believe
[17:53] <wxl> ^ that's using packages.ubuntu.com. i don't have any 11.10 machines around to test it out no.
[17:53] <noob321> oki thanks because i want to run it in a VM ware and try to get the vmware tools for it
[17:53] <wxl> s/no/on/
[17:58] <qstpp> thanks wxl for your help. bye
[17:58] <wxl> qstpp: sorry i couldn't be more helpful
[18:00] <qstpp> no worries
[19:09] <melodie_> bonsoir hi hello
[20:03] <JJ-2e0bay> ok so whats happening in here?
[20:04] <wxl> JJ-2e0bay: nothing really
[20:05] <JJ-2e0bay> lol, good into to irc chat then lol
[20:06] <wxl> well there are tons of more active channels here
[20:06] <JJ-2e0bay> could you recomend any?
[20:06] <wxl> what do you want to talk about?
[20:07] <JJ-2e0bay> dont mind, just somthing with a bit of action, maybe based in the UK but not important
[20:07] <Unit193> There won't be a ton here because it's just a support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is more active for chatter, #ubuntu-uk for UK if you wish, or #defocus for network offtopic.  (And plenty more)
[20:08] <Unit193> #lubuntu-offtopic exists and is used, but isn't active right now.
[20:09] <JJ-2e0bay> just founf list so may give that a go
[20:09] <JJ-2e0bay> found even
[20:09] <JJ-2e0bay> thanks for the info :-)
[20:31] <melodie_> good night


[00:09] <tyche> The Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #141 was sent as an email to the mailing list.  Is there someone who can release it?


 it appeared to be a problem with our wifi repeaters
 drivers are installed locally now
 and i can print (re @Michaël: systemctl --failed
   UNIT                 LOAD   ACTIVE SUB    DESCRIPTION
 ● cups-browsed.service loaded failed failed Make remote CUPS printers available locally
 LOAD   = Reflects whether the unit definition was properly loaded.
 ACTIVE = The high-level unit activation state, i.e. generalization of SUB.
[12:18] <gaston_> hi, does anybody know how to enable fingerprint login in lubuntu?
[18:47] <mrfree> hi all, I upgraded my lubuntu 20.04.1 yesterday and today it doesn't boot anymore (black screen with the pointer=
[18:47] <mrfree> Xorg.0.log shows
[18:48] <mrfree> (EE) Failed to open authorization file "/var/run/sddm/{xxxxx}": No such file or directory
[18:48] <mrfree> here is the apt history of what got actually updated yesterday
[18:48] <mrfree> https://pastebin.com/AdpQnjrK
[18:48] <Maik> why you ask in multiple channels mrfree?
[18:49] <mrfree> just explained on the other side :) I picked the wrong chan
[18:49] <Maik> yep, just read it :)
[18:49] <Maik> all good
[18:50] <mrfree> I found a bug from 2019 about this issue. at that time it was a race-condition between sddm and systemd https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/1190
[18:50] <mrfree> but in this case the early kms trick doesn't seem to work
[19:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> mrfree: can it be like you issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1909171 ?
[19:22] <mrfree> JohnDoe_71Rus, I can't see that segfault in my logs
[19:24] <JohnDoe_71Rus> switch to console and login
[19:25] <mrfree> I'm connected over SSH at the moment
[19:25] <mrfree> I would try with another greeter but lightdm requires 144MB of gnome-stuff :)
[19:31] <mrfree>  sddm-greeter[990]: segfault at 0 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 sp 00007ffd5c2e2148 error 14 in sddm-greeter[561d08a35000+17000]
[19:31] <mrfree> I was expecting to see it in the journal but it pops up only on dmesg
[19:33] <mrfree> JohnDoe_71Rus, so it looks like the same issue... did u identify any workaround?
[19:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> mrfree: no. I hope to some last mesa update. But don't check yet
[19:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> mrfree: click This bug affects to me
[19:38] <mrfree> need to recover my creds first XD
[19:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> mrfree: i can use gui if i boot recovery mode
[19:54] <mrfree> JohnDoe_71Rus, I've installed slick-greeter and it works just fine
[19:54] <mrfree> I can now login normally
[19:55] <mrfree> it's a lightdm without dependencies :) ~2MB not too bad


[15:10] <SpamapS> hazmat: was that subordinates I saw land?
[15:10] <hazmat> SpamapS, there's one last branch for it
[15:11] <hazmat> SpamapS, hmm.. maybe two the agent branch that actually deploys it (which is approved in the queue), and then a followup control branch to restrict remove-relation/destroy-service on subordinates
[15:15] <SpamapS> hazmat: ok. The packaging branch is broken right now due to a patch I have in there for tests.. thinking about just ditching the patch and setting AWS_* when running the tests.
[15:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, is it just those 3 tests in environment.. afaik.. having a look
[15:22] <hazmat> hmm.. looks like a few in the provider as well
[15:28] <hazmat> SpamapS, here's the diff, http://paste.ubuntu.com/917565/
[15:29] <hazmat> i'm going to apply to trunk if that looks sane 2 u
[15:31] <SpamapS> hazmat: sure, I think the tests should always run without those env vars set.
[15:47] <hazmat> bcsaller, juju.control.tests.test_status.StatusTest.test_render_svg on trunk
[15:52] <robbiew> bcsaller: yo...did you submit your self-review yet?  If not, can you get that in today...I'm trying to knock these out! ;)
[15:59] <hazmat> bcsaller, fixed on trunk
[16:00] <hazmat> robbiew, i think he's probably asleep atm, he was up till 3ish
[16:00] <hazmat> SpamapS, trunk runs tests without env vars
[16:00] <robbiew> hazmat: ah, thnx...I'll shoot him an email
[16:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: woot
[16:34] <hazmat> the magic expiration works pretty well, i can suspend and restore local envs with it
[17:56] <hazmat> shiny.. http://www.madeiracloud.com/
[18:11] <hazmat> hmm. its shiny, but its not very useful afaics
[18:44] <robbiew> lol
[20:52] <jimbaker> lbox still wants to use the honolulu milestone
[23:32] <jimbaker> hazmat, i'm still going through the review of https://codereview.appspot.com/5970080/, but i noticed it's not current with what has been pushed
[23:35] <hazmat> jimbaker, this one http://codereview.appspot.com/5976074/
[23:37] <jimbaker> hazmat, hmmm, i wonder why i was going against  https://codereview.appspot.com/5970080/ ? was it recently linked against the merge proposal?
[23:37] <hazmat> jimbaker, they look the same to me
[23:37] <jimbaker> anyway, the MP now links against ..74
[23:38] <jimbaker> hazmat, they differ with respect to managed.py


[00:04] <hobbyBobby> this ssh to bootstrap thing is perplexing
[13:01] <jcverdie> Is there a trick with juju get and set ? I try to "get" the settings from one charm, and a simple set with the same file does not work (says "no settings found for <charm>"
[14:06] <jcverdie> Hi, what is the best way to modify a charm? Are the charm recipes kept somewhere incache on my pc?
[14:08] <natefinch> jcverdie: the code for charms is kept in source control on launchpad. The best way to modify a charm is to branch from the main repository for the charm.
[14:08] <natefinch> jcverdie: if you go to the charm you want to modify on jujucharms.com, there will be a link to the source under the name of the charm on the left, like this one for mongodb: https://jujucharms.com/precise/mongodb-21/
[14:48] <jcverdiee> thanks, but gerrit charm is not mainstream it comes from cs:~canonical-ci/precise/gerrit-59
[14:48] <jcverdiee> so i'm confused where to find the sources
[14:48] <jcverdiee> and where to send patches (I found a couple of misbehaviour)
[15:00] <facebook> guys, can someone please take a look at this? it's been sitting there for around two months waiting to get reviewed/promoted. https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1125869
[15:00] <_mup_> Bug #1125869: New charm: postfix <Juju Charms Collection:New for jose> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125869>
[15:10] <jcverdie> if I go to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ecanonical-ci/charms/precise/gerrit/trunk/files I get unauthorized ? Any help :)
[15:20] <jcverdie> i asked to join the charmers team, hope to get access :)
[15:21] <jcverdie> but the canonical-ci page is private :(
[15:23] <tomixxx> hi, i have tried to deploy multiple juju charms on a single node with the command "juju deploy X -to lxc:0" but sth went wrong as it seems. Please have a look at the output of the "juju status" command: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6867420
[15:24] <tomixxx> so, the "agent-state-info" indicates some error and the charms itself stay in the state "pending"
[15:41] <tomixxx> is there a way to UNDEPLOY a single charm?=
[15:44] <tomixxx> what sources in source.list do i need for juju?
[15:45] <lazyPower> tomixxx: you can destroy a single unit, or the service to "undeploy" the charm
[15:45] <lazyPower> tomixxx: typically you will want to add ppa:juju/stable - and run off the stable tree of juju for your production environment.
[15:45] <tomixxx> yeah, i have already found out the command: juju destroy-service mysql for example
[15:46] <jcverdie> Hi lazyPower, hope you had a wonderful superbowl party yesterday :) I solved & deployed my gerrit...Thanks for your help!
[15:46] <lazyPower> Hey thats great news jcverdie! glad I was of some service.
[15:46] <jcverdie> if I go to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ecanonical-ci/charms/precise/gerrit/trunk/files I get unauthorized access... So I can't file bugs & submit patches to complete  a clean install of this charm
[15:47] <lazyPower> jcverdie: ah, yeah I am on that list too. It appears that since its only intended to be used by Canonical internally we aren't privvy to the launchpad assets.
[15:48] <tomixxx> lazyPower: how do i add "ppa:juju/stable"?
[15:48] <jcverdie> so what's the idea here? I can't even fork it to fix it :( ?
[15:49] <lazyPower> tomixxx: apt-add-repository ppa:juju/stable
[15:49] <tomixxx> lazyPower: thx
[15:49] <lazyPower> jcverdie: email the list, and someone on the team may be able to work something out for you.
[15:52] <tomixxx> lazyPower: Is there a possibility to clear the log message in agent-state-info when i call "juju status"?
[15:55] <tomixxx> lazyPower: how can i destroy a lxc container?
[15:59] <lazyPower> tomixxx: whatare you trying to do? if you're trying to delete a lxc container that juju is managaing you will encounter some issues as the bootstrap node handles all that.
[16:00] <jcverdie> lazyPower: done:)
[16:00] <tomixxx> lazyPower: excactly, i want to delete an lxc container because thre creation of the container failed
[16:01] <tomixxx> lazyPower: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6867420
[16:01] <tomixxx> i could also do "destroy-environment" but it needs a lot of time to reset juju at all
[16:06] <lazyPower> tomixxx: you can run the lxc-destroy command to remove the containers, but you will encounter an issue with juju thinking the containers are still around in an error state and will desync your local provider from the bootstrap node. at least thats the behavior I have seen when i've remoevd lxc containers without juju's help
[16:07] <tomixxx> ok, so what could i do instead?
[16:07] <lazyPower> personally, i would rebootstrap the environment
[16:07] <lazyPower> destory & rebootstrap
[16:08] <tomixxx> lazyPower: ok but it seems "apt-add-repository ppa:juju/stable" was not sufficient abecause it failed again to get http:s//cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/precise/server/released-dl.current.txt"
[16:09] <tomixxx> ah i guess i have to call sudo apt-get update
[16:11] <tomixxx> sorry :(
[20:30] <rkpaul> marcoceppi: hello
[20:30] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: hello!
[20:30] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: what happens when you go to https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs%3A~marcoceppi%2Fprecise%2Fdiscourse in your browser?
[20:31] <rkpaul> on the host system, I'm getting some json. When I wget it in the VM, I'm getting a cert error
[20:32] <rkpaul> ERROR: cannot verify store.juju.ubuntu.com's certificate, issued by ‘/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=GoDaddy.com, Inc./OU=http://certificates.godaddy.com/repository/CN=Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority/serialNumber=07969287’:
[20:32] <rkpaul>   Issued certificate not yet valid.
[20:32] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: yeah, it seems you don't have the CA chain on theVM
[20:32] <marcoceppi> and it's a 13.10 VM?
[20:32] <rkpaul> yeah
[20:32] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: can you make sure ca-certificates is installed
[20:33] <rkpaul> yeah, already installed
[20:35] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: well this is unfortunate and very odd. I've got 13.10 on my laptop without issue it seems to be missing some root ca in your chain to validate the godaddy cert
[20:35] <rkpaul> very weird
[20:36] <rkpaul> I'll try spinning up a new vm with 13.10 and see what happens
[20:36] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: please, I'm in Europe right now so it's nearing my EOD, but I'll hang around for a bit.
[20:36] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: the charm is also broken, I can try to patch it, but upstream changed the way production database configuration options are stored
[20:37] <marcoceppi> so you're already walking in to a bit of a trap ;) It's one of the reasons I've not submitted the charm to the charm store, given how fast upstream is moving
[20:37] <rkpaul> ok, no worries. I was just messing around with discourse and figured it'd be an interesting way to start looking at juju
[20:38] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: feel free to give it a whirl anyways, there's an earlier version of discourse that will work with the charm
[20:38]  * marcoceppi looks it up
[20:41] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: you can run `juju deploy cs:~marcoceppi/discourse`; then immediately after run `juju set discourse release=v<IP_ADDRESS>`
[20:41] <marcoceppi> which is the version right before the config change
[20:41] <rkpaul> cool, thanks!
[20:42] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: cheers, feel free to pop in with any questions about juju!
[20:44] <rkpaul> very weird, new VM isn't exhibiting the cert issue
[20:44] <marcoceppi> wonky
[20:44] <marcoceppi> hopefully you can press forward without any other weirdness
[20:44] <rkpaul> sorry to have bothered you with it, thanks for helping! :-)
[20:44] <marcoceppi> rkpaul: np anytime!


[05:58] <G> Hope anyone based North Shore way is okay
[21:01] <snail> morning all
[21:03] <Atamira> mornin
[21:08] <ajmitch> morning
[22:29] <ibeardslee> mumblemorning
[22:29] <ibeardslee> seems an update for nvidia is broken in Natty
[22:29] <ajmitch> what breaks?
[22:30] <ibeardslee> the ability to get anything useful on the screen
[22:30] <ajmitch> after rebooting?
[22:30] <ibeardslee> yeap
[22:30] <ibeardslee> the updates that happened yesterday
[22:31] <ibeardslee> did the reboot and nothing on the screen .. well apart from the moment the ubuntu logo with the dots under appears
[22:31] <ajmitch> did dkms not rebuild the kernel module?
[22:32] <ajmitch> you may be able to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's blowing up
[22:32] <ibeardslee> not sure .. now I know what packages are causing the problem I'm looking a bit deeper at it
[22:32] <ibeardslee> apt-get purge nvidia*
[22:32] <ibeardslee> and a reboot, lets me get a gui back
[22:33] <ajmitch> which means it could be switching back to the nouveau driver there
[22:34] <ibeardslee> if I load the additional drivers, installing nvidia-current and reboot it dies
[22:34] <ajmitch> check the xorg log after it dies to see what went wrong
[22:35]  * ajmitch had surprisingly few issues with upgrading to natty, but hasn't applied updates lately
[22:36] <ibeardslee> I had been blaming the SSSD problem
[22:36] <ibeardslee> I've just had those two technical glitches ... SSSD and nvidia
[22:37] <ibeardslee> and number of usage glitches though :/
[22:37] <ajmitch> yeah, I've had issues with system going OOM & thrashing about for ages
[22:37] <ajmitch> but I also had swap disabled when that happened
[22:44] <ibeardslee> I had that happen to me at some stage .. but can't remember at what point
[22:44]  * ibeardslee is slowing going insane
[22:46] <ajmitch> going?
[22:54] <hads> I installed one at beta and upgraded both my desktop and laptop just before release with surprisingly no issues at all.
[22:55] <hads> Well except that annoying scrollbar.
[22:55]  * ajmitch didn't really notice the scrollbar
[22:55] <hads> Do you use Evolution?
[22:55] <ajmitch> yes
[22:56] <hads> If I have Evolution maximized and go to scoll a message in the preview pane I have to move the cursor all the way to the right edge of the screen and then back a few pixels to grab the handle.
[22:56] <ajmitch> I don't think I ever really use the scrollbars there, and I use evolution maximised
[22:57] <ajmitch> but I don't remember having the issues you describe
[22:57] <ajmitch> I could just be blind
[22:58] <hads> It could be my workflow being broken. I've never quite settled in with Evolution.
[22:59] <hads> The keyboard shortcuts don't fit with me quite so well. I'm aLways switching messages when trying to scroll and silly things like that.
[23:11] <ibeardslee> hmm dropped back to the -8 kernel and it seems to work
[23:12] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: it sort of indicates that it wasn't building the module for the kernel you're running
[23:14] <ibeardslee> .. actually maybe not :(
[23:17] <ajmitch> btw, http://askubuntu.com/ is a useful (& now official) support site
[23:20] <ibeardslee> damn .. I'll have to come back to it and work with just the one monitor for now .. get some people off my back
[23:20] <ibeardslee> sudo reboot
[23:20] <ibeardslee> gah
[23:29] <timClicks> i'm having issues w/ Python in 11.04..
[23:30] <timClicks> upgrade to py 2.7 seems to have broken python-setuptools
[23:30] <timClicks> which, makes life... challenging
[23:34] <timClicks> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/382524/
[23:36] <ajmitch> timClicks: /usr/local/bin?
[23:43] <timClicks> ajmitch, hrm
[23:43] <timClicks> /usr/local/bin/easy_install borks, /usr/bin/easy_install is okay
[23:43] <ajmitch> probably got an old copy in /usr/local
[23:43] <timClicks> is is best just to rm
[23:43] <ajmitch> yeah, I think so
[23:48] <mwhudson> wow i have stuff in /usr/local
[23:48] <mwhudson> how did that get there?
[23:48]  * ajmitch has very little in /usr/local/bin, thankfully
[23:49] <mwhudson> i appear to have some wifi stuff ... that's probably not a good thing
[23:49] <mwhudson> madwifi from 2008?
[23:50]  * ajmitch just has 1 python egg in /usr/local/lib


[00:00] <mhall119> we probably don't want that many though
[00:00] <mhall119> my laptop almost died trying to render than many
[00:00] <mcbaine1> i thnk this needs to be specifically forked to six sides for uubuntu tv
[00:00] <mhall119> why 6?
[00:01] <mcbaine1> A,media:video/pictures/audiofiles. B, desktop c, tv interface ... anything else ??
[00:02] <mcbaine1> U.B.U.N.T.U = 6
[00:02] <mhall119> I think "desktop" is going to be the currently playing media
[00:02] <mhall119> tv guide and content manager would be overlays like the Dash
[00:03] <mhall119> I  don't see a use for a traditional desktop space on a TV
[00:04] <mcbaine1> "desktop" is the Ubuntu 11.10 gui  , "tv guide" is a video file subscreen,  As far as a traditional desktop space on a TV this wouls solidify UBUNTU as No.1 in the internet TV market by far...
[00:05] <mcbaine1> ... and this is my concern.... dude.
[00:07] <mcbaine1> all of these subscreen are accessed by a simple 'button' on the remote control as BGates ried to ndo .. but we will succeed where he failed..
[00:07] <mcbaine1> I already have a sketchup of a U.box remote control ... just exporting.... :)
[00:08] <AlanBell> the horizontal limit is 32 sides, and it can be 32 tall. Both are crazy big, and you can probably increase them with a simple hack if you really wanted to
[00:09] <AlanBell> oh, and you can have lots of entire desktops, so total space is probably 32^3
[00:09] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, :: the hack only needs to be 6 sides imho.
[00:09] <AlanBell> 36 desktops, so 32x32x36, that is kind of a lot
[00:10] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, incl 'top' and 'bottom' ...
[00:10] <AlanBell> no hack needed for 6 sides
[00:10] <AlanBell> top and bottom are a bit special I think, you can just put an image on them or a slideshow
[00:10] <mcbaine1> but does this include 'top' and 'bottom'  ??
[00:10] <AlanBell> in standard compiz that is
[00:11] <mcbaine1> top/bottom needs to be used for full effect.... :)
[00:12] <AlanBell> yeah, but they are not the same shape or aspect ratio as the screen
[00:12] <mcbaine1> ...yet..
[00:12] <AlanBell> they are hexagonal if you have 6 faces
[00:12]  * tgm4883 reads backlog
[00:12]  * popey tickles tgm4883
[00:12]  * tgm4883 scowles at popey
[00:12] <popey> \o/
[00:12] <popey> noted
[00:13] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, :: i'm proposing a simple cube incl. use of top/bottom..
[00:13] <AlanBell> with 16:9 aspect ratio on the sides?
[00:13] <mcbaine1> (6 sides)
[00:13] <AlanBell> what is the aspect ratio of the top and bottom?
[00:14] <tgm4883> i've skimmed the last 30 minutes, why do we want a 3D ui?
[00:14] <mcbaine1> remainder of 16:9 side's length squared.
[00:15] <AlanBell> mcbaine1: yup, it is a square
[00:15] <AlanBell> which is why it doesn't get used much for desktop compiz
[00:15] <AlanBell> tgm4883: we are just randomly rambling
[00:15] <tgm4883> AlanBell, I see
[00:15] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, :: we're just seeing if it's practically usefull for the 'A,B,C' SCREENS AS PROPOSED 00.01 utc
[00:16]  * AlanBell rambles off to bed. night all o/
[00:16] <tgm4883> is there a mockup somewhere?
[00:16]  * mcbaine1 IS ANNOYED THAT USER'S QUIT WHEN IT IS JUST GETTING INTERESTING ... :(
[00:17] <mcbaine1> soz for caps.
[00:17] <tgm4883> wait, are you proposing the compiz cube for the TV?
[00:17] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, yes conceptually so far..
[00:18] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, eww
[00:18] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, plz be specific..
[00:18] <tgm4883> I think this is where the argument "just because we can, doesn't mean we should" comes from
[00:18] <mcbaine1> how so ??
[00:18] <tgm4883> so what exactly would you use the cube for?
[00:19] <tgm4883> obviously for multiple sides, but what would you put on each side and why
[00:19] <mcbaine1> here's my logic...
[00:19] <tgm4883> if you've already said this, just tell me to read the backlog
[00:19] <mcbaine1> read backlog "<mcbaine1> A,media:video/pictures/audiofiles. B, desktop c, tv interface"
[00:20] <mcbaine1> some 18 mins ago...
[00:21] <mcbaine1> i actually have an 8 sided mock up for my project but that cos it a gaming interface..
[00:23] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, u still there ??
[00:23] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, I'm not sure why we A) need a cube in the traditional sense (software running on each side which consumes resources), and B) would want the type of flipping produced changing from one side to another
[00:23] <tgm4883> yea, i read the backlog, but I do have to leave in a few minutes
[00:23] <tgm4883> I agree with mhall119 on this regarding the desktop
[00:23] <mcbaine1> so does the inventiveness of this project :(
[00:25] <tgm4883> most people don't want the desktop on a TV
[00:25] <tgm4883> we've discussed a few types of apps that would benefit, but other than that it's a little much
[00:25] <mcbaine1> but it does exist in a watered dow form already for browsing ...
[00:26] <tgm4883> yes
[00:26] <tgm4883> which is what people want
[00:26] <tgm4883> tv's are an applicance
[00:26] <tgm4883> most people don't want to write a word doc on their TV
[00:27] <mcbaine1> 'appliance'  ??
[00:27] <tgm4883> for those that do, we've discussed certain ways of handling it
[00:27] <tgm4883> like a toaster
[00:27] <tgm4883> non-complicated
[00:27]  * tgm4883 has to leave in like 1 minutes
[00:28] <mcbaine1> so does the inventiveness of this project :(
[00:28] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, regarding people leaving, the people that have left are from europe and likely went to bed. You've caught me on a saturday evening
[00:29] <mcbaine1> k
[00:29] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, regarding the  " inventiveness of this project ", people like things simple. If we can bring people awesome things simply, thats great. There is no need to bring people complicated stuff
[00:29] <tgm4883> if it's complicated, then people will choose other things
[00:30] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, I would love to continue this conversation at another time as I have to go now. I am pacific time zone of the USA, so look me up at another normal time.
[16:59] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, AlanBell, popey, mhall119 :: Aloha from Isle of Man... !
[16:59] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[16:59] <AlanBell> pin plz
[17:03] <mcbaine1> what does 'pin' mean ??
[17:05] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, :: What does the term ... 'pin' mean ??
[17:05] <AlanBell> you can put a pin on the map
[17:06] <mcbaine1> oh yes sorry saw the video .. atmo.
[17:13] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, After watching the video, I realise that I as much to do with 'http://ubuntu-uk' as here http://www.nature.nps.gov/air/WebCams/parks/sekicam/sekilargerimage.cfm
[17:14] <mcbaine1> I therefore will not try to be something that I AM NOT.
[17:16] <mcbaine1> imnichol, :: Hi , Aloha  ..
[17:18] <mcbaine1> AlanBell, I did a picture in 'pencil' last night for you about using compiz in Ubuntu - tv if you are interested..
[17:18] <imnichol> Hey everyone, glad to see some action!
[17:19] <mcbaine1> imnichol, :: topic is still compiz in Ubunu TV at the moment...
[17:21] <imnichol> I seem to remember that one of the Canonical employees was going to do some write-up about what their plans were.  Did anything happen with that or was it just my imagination?
[17:21] <imnichol> (their plans with regard to UTV)
[17:22] <mcbaine1> imnichol, Note UTV is an irish trade mark entity (whereas Ubu-TV is not )
[17:23] <mcbaine1> imnichol, :: I have no links to that effect...
[17:24] <imnichol> I think it was on the mailing list
[17:24] <mcbaine1> link ???
[17:26] <imnichol> It was Thomas Mashos on 3/1/2012
[17:26] <imnichol> Hold on a sec, I'll find it
[17:27] <imnichol> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00116.html
[17:29] <mcbaine1> opening...
[17:31] <mcbaine1> imnichol, seems to focus on http://kotaku.com/5444951/just-how-wii+like-is-lgs-magic-motion-tv-remote   ... any comments  ??
[17:31] <imnichol> I don't really care about the Wii thing
[17:32] <imnichol> I was referencing this part: "While I think custom hardware might not be out of scope, I think we
[17:32] <imnichol> will know more tomorrow (hopefully, Will Cooke said he was writing up
[17:32] <imnichol> a doc to give us a little direction)."
[17:34] <mcbaine1> oh ok .. so this was a non-event thing ??
[17:46] <imnichol> What was a non-event thing?
[17:50] <mcbaine1> exactly  .. it didn't happen !  ( -1) ::: Here's my work on compiz on Ubuntu (although I've used a derivative for the purpose of discussion)  shown below  :::
[17:50] <mcbaine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/trisquel%20comiz%20-tv%20%23chl..odt
[17:51] <mcbaine1> wrong file wait a mo..
[17:53] <mcbaine1> cant find it looks like i wasted 2 hrs last night :(   .. still looking anyway...
[17:55] <imnichol> Lame
[17:55] <imnichol> Let me know if you find it
[17:56] <mcbaine1> i'll have to do it again...
[17:56] <mcbaine1> wait an half-hour or so....
[18:04] <mcbaine1> pecil on firefox just crashed.. +15mins...
[18:04] <mcbaine1> **pencil..
[18:25] <mcbaine1> Hi MrChrisDruif :: Aloha.
[18:26] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha mcbaine1
[18:30] <mcbaine1> oh hi soz..
[18:31] <mcbaine1> MrChrisDruif,  Why are peole in the US so hostile to chatting about SW improvements to the likes of MythTV etc.. ??
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> Why do you make assumption on where people are from?
[19:06] <imnichol> Who's been hostile?
[19:06] <imnichol> Don't answer that on second thought
[19:06] <imnichol> I don't want to know names
[19:06] <imnichol> But I wasn't aware that there's been hostility
[19:08] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol; you don't want to know
[19:08] <imnichol> Hahah
[19:09] <imnichol> Is this another iteration of the "unity vs. mythtv" thing?
[19:12] <tgm4883> imnichol, it wasn't me
[19:12] <tgm4883> it was willcooke
[19:12] <imnichol> Yeah I saw that, didn't articulate it well
[19:12] <tgm4883> ah yea, just read that part
[19:13] <tgm4883> what is this hostility thing?
[19:13] <tgm4883> mcbaine, what are you talking about
[19:13] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, ^^
[19:13] <mcbaine1> i just abit depessed at the lack of open-thnking i guess ..
[19:13]  * MrChrisDruif missed the part with willcooke
[19:15] <tgm4883> mcbaine, specifics?
[19:15]  * mcbaine1 can't recal 'willcooke' either but i heard that you said he was in executive team of ubuntu-tv or similiar ?
[19:15] <tgm4883> he's canonical
[19:16] <tgm4883> IIRC an Engineering Manager
[19:16] <tgm4883> but what is this "lack of open-thinking"?
[19:16] <tgm4883> is this regarding the cube?
[19:16] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, :: Oh where, oh where, to begin ...... (1-3)
[19:17] <tgm4883> how about from the start
[19:17] <mcbaine1> 1, I talk to peope for 5 hours straight then when it gets interesting at a pivotal point of discussion they say they'll have a thnk about it and go to bed..
[19:18] <tgm4883> that has zero to do with open thinking
[19:18] <tgm4883> it has more to do with time zones
[19:20] <mcbaine1> 2, Any talk of actually hw ramification of addressing to Ubuntu 'may-be's' and 'possibilities' of the project and how that can relate to hware and i get No, No, No, all of the time without any enlightenment as to why or "OK, but here's the 'issue' with that so far " kinda talk  .. I get depressed as I tunker with media-box hware all the time..
[19:20] <mcbaine1> 3, **tinker
[19:22] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, I'm reading backlog for some of this
[19:23] <imnichol> I really wish Canonical would partner with System76 or something for hardware
[19:24] <tgm4883> imnichol, I disagree, they need to have a reach that extends further than System76
[19:24] <imnichol> Sorry to go off topic, but that idea's been kicking around in my mind for a while and I just remembered it
[19:24] <imnichol> tgm4883, I mean that I'd like to be able to go to canonical.com and buy a laptop online from their site
[19:24] <imnichol> In the same way that you can(I think) buy apple hardware and have it delivered by going to apple.com
[19:25] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, sorry for this taking so long, I'm in the middle of the part where you argue that pencil isn't good enough to do sketchup's in. Hardly a point worth arguing IMO
[19:25] <tgm4883> imnichol, i'd rather walk into walmart and buy a ubuntu tv
[19:25] <tgm4883> or best buy
[19:25] <mcbaine1> 3, Any SW improvements improvements and the whole project seems to be dominated by some black cloud of 'but that's not possible atmo.' instead of what we need to do to address the concepts and possibilities of putting a Ubuntu like O/S on a television is met like this for example ...: http://www.xtreamer.net/xtreamer-prodigy-upgraded/  This is where we should be heading ...imho
[19:25] <imnichol> That would also be good
[19:25] <imnichol> I'm not saying partner exclusively
[19:26]  * mcbaine1 drinks his milk...
[19:27] <imnichol> But I've heard a lot of people complaining that Canonical isn't a hardware company
[19:27] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, ....
[19:27] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, Your comments at this point before we (as per usual) get into what canonical ISN'T
[19:29] <tgm4883> mcbaine,
[19:30] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, ok, I've looked at the link you posted, and skimmed most of the conversation from yesterday
[19:30] <tgm4883> sec
[19:30] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, ::: ... and ??
[19:34] <tgm4883> You seem to have some decent ideas. I think you are a bit misinformed about what is needed/necessary in hardware requirements for to achieve what is wanted, and you seem a bit unwilling to accept that some of your points are incorrect (to the point where you ironically just call everyone else close minded)
[19:35] <tgm4883> That said, i'll give you some of my time today if you'd like to discuss any of this
[19:35] <mcbaine1> sure.. but im growing remember...
[19:35] <tgm4883> as is this project
[19:36] <mcbaine1> So the question is why is Ubuntu unwilling from  a technological pov to partner with amedia center company like xtreeamer.net ??
[19:37] <AlanBell> who said they were?
[19:37] <tgm4883> xtreamer.net, ok, lets talk about what they really are
[19:37] <AlanBell> they have gone to CES to find interesting partners
[19:38] <tgm4883> they have a piece of hardware that they have written what appears to be a proprietary OS for
[19:38] <AlanBell> streamer.net does not to me look like a promising partner
[19:38] <mcbaine1> http://xtreamer.net/ultra/   .. ?
[19:39] <tgm4883> mcbaine, what about it?
[19:39] <mcbaine1> you can install any o/s on it that you want to ...
[19:39] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, whats your point?
[19:40] <mcbaine1> Why is Canonical not priortising this as a major improvement over the whole TV debate ..
[19:41] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, AlanBell :: Note this exact same debate is being played out in #trisquel atmo.
[19:42] <AlanBell> you are confusing me
[19:42] <AlanBell> they have a stand at CES and you are saying they are not prioritising TV
[19:42] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, with all due respect, wtf are you talking about?
[19:42] <mcbaine1> OK OK l;et me be specific   ....
[19:45] <mcbaine1> If we have the TV hw (in some form & not quite 'IN' the TV itself) and we have the operating system that can be used on any TV then why aren't we talking about the sw improvements needed to bring-this-forward to the Ubuntu/PC/TV edge that we are at @ the moment ??
[19:46]  * mcbaine1 drnks his milk ..
[19:46] <imnichol> I'm confused by this part: "why aren't we talking about the sw improvements needed to bring-this-forward to the Ubuntu/PC/TV edge that we are at @ the moment"
[19:47] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, so your question is "why aren't we talking about what improvements need to be made to Unity to make it usable with a remote on the TV"?
[19:47] <imnichol> I can't figure out what you mean
[19:47] <tgm4883> imnichol, i think he means ^^
[19:47] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, would that be correct?
[19:47] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, We can talk about the remote issue also.. but don't have a cow, man.
[19:48] <tgm4883> ???
[19:48] <mcbaine1> ..the remote..
[19:48] <tgm4883> i was questioning the "don't have a cow, man"
[19:48]  * mcbaine1 drink his milky milk.
[19:49] <tgm4883> popey, ping
[19:50] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, so then you are asking,  "why aren't we talking about what improvements need to be made to Unity to make it usable on the TV"?
[19:50] <tgm4883> is that correct
[19:51] <mcbaine1> well yes using the http://xtreamer.net/ultra/ as an parrallel example ofwhere the real world is atmo.
[19:51] <imnichol> I think that we've spent a decent chunk of the last few months talking about just that
[19:52] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, yes, all of that has been discussed quite a bit
[19:52] <mcbaine1> wow half an hour and i thnk we got square 1 of a decent debate on the horizon...
[19:53] <tgm4883> see, it's comments like that that make people hate you
[19:53] <mcbaine1> imnichol, tgm4883 "we've spent a decent chunk of the last few months talking about that "But how does that help me... ???
[19:53] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, idk, maybe you should read the links in the topic
[19:54] <imnichol> All of the planning so far is documented in the links up at the top
[19:54] <imnichol> All of the planning so far is documented in the links up at the top
[19:55] <mcbaine1> i'm on  .. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tv  where do i go... plz be specific.
[19:55]  * tgm4883 sighs
[19:55] <tgm4883> try http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV and http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues
[19:55] <mcbaine1> i know but you just give palmed offansweres and i sigh and reach for more milk :(
[19:56] <imnichol> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues
[19:56] <mcbaine1> opening...
[19:56] <imnichol> Beaten
[19:57] <mcbaine1> ok beaten hey ?? do you wanna work top/down or bottom/up ??
[19:58] <imnichol> What do you mean?
[19:58]  * mcbaine1 drnks more milk...
[19:59] <mcbaine1> the friggin' page links ... & their issues ..
[19:59] <tgm4883> imnichol, he wants to discuss the issues
[19:59] <imnichol> Oh ok
[20:01] <tgm4883> mcbaine, we've discussed it many times, so I'll let you choose, but I'm only going to give you maybe an hour more of my sunday
[20:02] <mcbaine1> report: 1 hour and a litre of milk later and square 1 of the debate appears closer because it's become so large and ambigious in it's manner... but it's actually further away..it's
[20:02] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, how old are you?
[20:03] <tgm4883> cause you are kinda all over the place
[20:03] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, :: 1 hour .. 1 refer to 19:17 (1)  .. AFas.. age I'm 30's.
[20:04] <tgm4883> is english your first language?
[20:04] <mcbaine1> no manx.
[20:04] <tgm4883> ok
[20:04] <mcbaine1> traa dy liorr..
[20:05] <imnichol> mcbaine1, which issues on the list are you concerned about?
[20:05] <mcbaine1> issue choosing then...
[20:05] <mcbaine1> give us a mo.
[20:05] <mcbaine1> Extending a desktop to the TV device
[20:05] <mcbaine1>     On the TV device side, an app that shows the shared content. On the desktop side, the ability to share full desktop or just a specific window (similar to how you move a application to a new workspace). The TV device would need to keep the aspect ratio/resolution of the application and possibly also scale up the font sizes
[20:07] <mcbaine1> plz define ' shared content '  & 'TV device'
[20:07] <tgm4883> shared content - like a video on your desktop
[20:07] <tgm4883> tv device - the ubuntu tv
[20:07] <imnichol> The "TV Device" is the Ubuntu TV, and the "shared content" would be whatever you wanted to display on your tv
[20:08] <mcbaine1> plz define applications used for this service ... plz.
[20:08] <tgm4883> I don't know what that means
[20:09] <mcbaine1> I thnk this is merely a c++ issue isn't it ?
[20:09] <tgm4883> oh, you want to know what applications we're going to use to do this?
[20:09] <mcbaine1> yes for exampl .. ?
[20:10] <tgm4883> yea these would probably be new applications
[20:10] <mcbaine1> k lets discuss..
[20:10] <mcbaine1> icecat can play webm afaik ..
[20:10] <mcbaine1> soz firefox..
[20:11] <imnichol> mcbaine1, the problem is that we don't know exactly what the user will want to show
[20:11] <mcbaine1> or would this be another application ...?
[20:11] <tgm4883> so there is two types of content to share, media and non-media
[20:12] <tgm4883> media would be played using the built in media player of the Ubuntu-TV
[20:12] <mcbaine1> imnichol, the user would like to show something like : video:webm/mpeg, audio:mp3+sbs, pics: jpeg200 ??
[20:12] <tgm4883> non-media is unknown
[20:12] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, we wouldn't use icecat nor firefox for that
[20:13] <tgm4883> ideally it would be the built in player of ubuntu-tv
[20:13] <mcbaine1> multiple application for this    ??
[20:13] <mcbaine1> **applications.. ??
[20:13] <imnichol> Maybe the UbuntuTV will probably have a daemon listening for connections from other devices, and then display that content using whatever application it wants
[20:14] <mcbaine1> imnichol, how ??
[20:14] <imnichol> So if you want to show a picture that is on your camera, your camera connects to the TV and transfers the file for the TV to open
[20:15] <tgm4883> imnichol, mcbaine1, I envision it similar to workspaces for non-media apps
[20:15] <imnichol> Then the TV sees that the file is a picture, and opens the picture with a picture viewing program
[20:15] <mcbaine1> sureshot ??
[20:15] <tgm4883> IDK sureshot
[20:15] <mcbaine1> soz shotwell..
[20:16] <tgm4883> well not shotwell likely, as that is more editing isn't it?
[20:17] <mcbaine1> only redeye afaik..
[20:18] <mcbaine1> & its not well received atmo anyay.. amongst fsf etc..
[20:18] <imnichol> Probably more like gnome image viewer or something else
[20:18] <mcbaine1> **anyway..
[20:18] <tgm4883> imnichol, yea I was trying to remember the name of that "eye of gnome?"
[20:19] <mcbaine1> if it doesn't print and correct redeye I'll have to pass anyway..
[20:20] <mhall119> so right now if you plug in a camera, it's probably going to open Shotwell to import the pictures
[20:20] <mhall119> shotwell has a viewer, or it can pass the file to eog
[20:20] <mcbaine1> mhall119, correctamondo
[20:20] <tgm4883> why would you want to do that on your TV
[20:20] <mhall119> tgm4883: ideally it wouldn't matter where you do it, as it would all be backed by Ubuntu One anyway
[20:20] <tgm4883> mhall119, well you don't want things to get overcomplicated
[20:21] <mcbaine1> tgm4883, so you can take pictures and display/edit them together like a panorama (tv's are bigger) ..
[20:21] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, yes, but they usually have poorer resolution
[20:21] <tgm4883> plus, you then need a keyboard and mouse
[20:21] <tgm4883> at that point, it's likely you will just have another computer
[20:22] <mhall119> yeah, even high-def tv's aren't much better than a normal laptop screen
[20:22] <mcbaine1> its the functionality bof the big screen which is the major asset to panorama projects..
[20:22] <mcbaine1> **big
[20:22] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, just because you say it has added functionality, doesn't mean it does
[20:22] <mhall119> it's not so big when you're ten feet away
[20:22] <tgm4883> it's actually smaller in resolution
[20:23] <mcbaine1> resolution is a sml issue here.. you can see more of the panorama that you are putting together ..
[20:23] <mhall119> so I did a test when I was making my tv mockups
[20:23] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, do you understand resolution?
[20:23] <AlanBell> it is a high resolution, 1920x1200, but things should be nice and chunky
[20:23] <mhall119> and my droid X screen from arm's distance takes up the same field of view as my TV from across the room
[20:24] <AlanBell> anyhow, what do you think they will be unveiling tomorrow at CES?
[20:24] <tgm4883> mhall119, you need a bigger TV then ;)
[20:24] <mcbaine1> resolution is how many pixels per inch are on the screen i guess.
[20:24] <mhall119> tgm4883: or a smaller room?
[20:24] <tgm4883> mcbaine, no, pixels total
[20:24] <AlanBell> or a bigger phone
[20:24] <mhall119> either way, the point is that the TV isn't going to give you more visual room
[20:24] <AlanBell> or shorter arms
[20:25]  * mcbaine1 drnks more milk..
[20:25]  * tgm4883 votes for shorter arms ;)
[20:25] <mhall119> :P
[20:25]  * tgm4883 imagines mhall119 as a tyranosauras rex
[20:26]  * mhall119 is a hallisaurus
[20:29] <tgm4883> ok, so this (capabilities of a photo program) is a 3 month discussion
[20:29] <tgm4883> so lets move on
[20:31] <mcbaine1> audio ??
[20:31] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, your call
[20:31] <mcbaine1> yes audio.. then video...
[20:32] <mcbaine1> can i getsbs ??
[20:32] <mcbaine1> **sbs ... ??
[20:32] <AlanBell> what is that then?
[20:32] <tgm4883> side-by-side?
[20:33] <AlanBell> small business server?
[20:33] <mcbaine1> scanning for link ..
[20:33] <mcbaine1> brback..
[20:34] <AlanBell> smelly black socks?
[20:34] <tgm4883> scottish bowel syndrome
[20:36] <mcbaine1> soz SRS AudioFusion
[20:36] <tgm4883> link?
[20:36] <mcbaine1> hcking..
[20:36] <mcbaine1> **chcking...
[20:39] <mcbaine1> https://store.divx.com/671/purl-mysrs
[20:40] <mcbaine1> elo ??
[20:41] <tgm4883> ok, so I still don't really know what that is, but it appears to be some kind of codec
[20:41] <tgm4883> which means, there really isn't a discussion needed for it
[20:42] <mcbaine1> "Many TV sets employ built-in SRS "  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Retrieval_System  ... but can it be used on ubuntu ??
[20:42] <mcbaine1> or/ubuntu-tv ??
[20:43]  * tgm4883 is reading
[20:44]  * mcbaine1 drnks his milk
[20:44] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, that appears to be hardware related, not software
[20:44] <mcbaine1> oh i thought it was a codec a minute ago ??
[20:45] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, don't pull that crap with me, you brought me two different links. You are the one who should know what this is, not me
[20:45] <tgm4883> so cut the crap
[20:45] <tgm4883> I've done exactly 60 seconds of research on what you just brought me
[20:46] <mcbaine1> ok dont have a cow , man  ... do you thnk it can be used on a Ubuntu system or not ??
[20:46] <tgm4883> also, SRS != SBS
[20:47] <mcbaine1> no that was a spelling mistake, i meant srs.
[20:49] <mcbaine1> the patents... "which expired between 2006-2008"  maybe workable 4 ubuntu ??
[20:49] <tgm4883> I don't know if it can be used, I don't see why it couldn't
[20:50] <mcbaine1> oh, you don't see 'why', ok , ok.
[20:51] <tgm4883> mcbaine1, I don't see why it couldn't be used. meaning yes, it could probably be implemented if it isn't already
[20:51] <imnichol> At the very worst, I'm guessing that Canonical wouldn't be opposed to licensing some tech if it's necessary
[20:51] <mcbaine1> ok.. so its interesting .. perhaps i could souceforge it or something.. i dunno..
[20:56] <mcbaine1> waht do thnk of that side project ??
[20:56] <mcbaine1> **what  .. ?
[20:56] <tgm4883> well you could try to put something together, it would benefit all of ubuntu
[20:57] <mcbaine1> I thnk I'll call it U-SRS codec for linux .... u thnk ??
[20:58] <tgm4883> sure
[20:58] <mcbaine1> k
[20:58] <tgm4883> although you'll probably have to work with pulseaudio
[20:58] <mcbaine1> checking cnet for info...
[20:58] <tgm4883> so that might be a better name
[20:59] <mcbaine1> here's my profile page so far  http://www.cnet.com/8706-4_1-0.html?username=nasacouk&tag=rb_content;contentAux
[21:00] <tgm4883> ok
[21:01] <mcbaine1> lots of Qu's there .. but mostly from my MSoft days...
[21:01] <mcbaine1> find anything interesting... I was ofered a job with them on one question alone !!
[21:02] <tgm4883> I didn't look that deeply
[21:04] <mcbaine1> ok .. not that deep.. there are lots of unanswered questions there... not interesting ??
[21:07] <mcbaine1> I did find this interesting as a gui / color interface ...::: http://forum.addonsmirror.net/index.php?showtopic=6218&pid=24395&st=0&#entry24395
[21:07] <imnichol> This isn't the right place for us to answer non-UbuntuTV related questions
[21:08] <mcbaine1> but looking at the colors used ... plz... which one would u choose ??
[21:10] <mcbaine1> i thnk Earthshift is the best : http://blackwensday.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dhxc95
[22:58] <popey> tgm4883: you pung?
[23:24] <mcbaine1> popey, :: I thnk it's over now but   ... sup .. anyway ??
[23:26] <popey> hmm?


[07:42] <flok> hi, the website still says that this channel is on freenode. also 21.04 fails to install with a python/boost error.
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> flok: We're aware, this is a volunteer-run operation, so nobody is working on it full-time and can pay attention to everything.
[16:05] <flok> Eickmeyer: I'm not complaining, this letting you in case you missed it


[16:37] <mhall119> Hello team, I sent an email to the ML but it's held in moderation, is anyone here a moderator for that list?
[19:31] <Unit193> mhall119: cyberanger and likely wrst.
[19:31] <wrst> hey mhall119, pretty sure cyberanger is who you want to see
[19:32] <Unit193> wrst: He is, listed at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-tn
[19:32] <mhall119> I've subscribed to the ML and re-sent, so it should go through now
[19:33] <wrst> mhall119: got it!
[19:33] <mhall119> \o/
[19:33] <Unit193> Yep, it did.  You sure you can handle the traffic though? ;)
[19:33] <mhall119> I'll do my best :)
[19:34] <wrst> ha ha