[03:14] <soreau> mzz: "But when I run as regular user, it don't work"
[03:14] <mzz> Joeseph: got any extensions?
[03:14] <ashlessburn> lol
[03:14] <mzz> Joeseph: oh, and did you restart the browser completely after installing the upgrade?
[03:14] <shakir> mzz : ok thanks
[03:14] <Logikos> i've had ubuntu up and running very nicely now for a few months but i left for a couple days and came back and now when it boots it doesnt load GUI, it says BusyBox v1.1.3 Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ASH) and gives me a prompt of (initramfs) ... what happened and what do i have to do to fix it please???
[03:14] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, what card do you have?
[03:14]  * mzz stops talking to soreau
[03:14] <mzz> :P
[03:14] <secvuln> any idea how to get ubuntu to support my sound card?
[03:15] <Joeseph> mzz:     I exed it out and then opened it up again....   I have a few, yes...
[03:15] <vigneswwaaa> I am not sure
[03:15] <nickrud> shakir, sudo apt-get -f  install ; run that and put the complete error on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:15] <soreau> mzz:)
[03:15] <mzz> Joeseph: does it still fail with those off (or use the firefox safe mode)? Also consider pastebinning the stack trace
[03:15] <vigneswwaaa> I have an HP pavilion with ubuntu 8.10
[03:15] <vigneswwaaa> is there a way to check my card
[03:16] <Joeseph> mzz: ah.... the clever little "downloads" box was hiding on another desktop of mine.... ha..... it'll probably work now.
[03:16] <Logikos> i've had ubuntu up and running very nicely now for a few months but i left for a couple days and came back and now when it boots it doesnt load GUI, it says BusyBox v1.1.3 Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ASH) and gives me a prompt of (initramfs) ... what happened and what do i have to do to fix it please???
[03:16] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, lscpi | grep wireless
[03:16] <mzz> Logikos: might want to repeat slightly less often (not sure what'd cause this, possibly a bogus root= in grub.conf)
[03:16] <LogicFan> new user to ubuntu 8.10 (running 64bit) and I'm curious about the updates mechanism.  It seems that tons of stuff is added to the "recommended updates" section that has nothing to do with my computer.  e.g. X display drivers for hardware I don't have.  Is there a way to get more relevant updates?
[03:17] <mzz> LogicFan: I'd try to uninstall the drivers you don't use
[03:17] <mzz> LogicFan: not sure how easy that is for these drivers
[03:17] <Logikos> mzz: ... but how would it have goten there and how do i fix it... i'm prity new to linux
[03:17] <shakir> nickrud  i put the error
[03:17] <dusint_mattr> er...
[03:17] <nickrud> shakir, give me the link, please
[03:18] <shakir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117109/
[03:18] <mzz> Logikos: no idea how that would've happened. I'd use a linux livecd or the grub menu to check what's in grub.conf makes any sense, and also check if anything interesting is logged before it drops you to a shell.
[03:18] <LogicFan> mzz, i'm curious why its offering them in the first place?  do i have some default installed package(s) that its looking at to determine what to recommend?
[03:18] <Sarthor> routing for multiple uplinks /providers, my question is here, HELP  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/routing-for-multiple-uplinks-providers-703789/
[03:18] <vigneswwaaa> lscpi | grep wireless do i type this in the terminal
[03:18] <ammagendut> hi
[03:18] <ammagendut> can i solve this?
[03:18] <ammagendut> Type '--2009-02-12' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mmu.list
[03:19] <mzz> LogicFan: not familiar enough with ubuntu to know if this is accurate, but I'm pretty sure the installer doesn't do (much) hardware detection. It just installs most interesting drivers and auto-detects at boot.
[03:19] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, yes
[03:19] <nickrud> shakir,   gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios3-common.postinst , put the contents on the pastebin please
[03:19] <bullgard4> What is an 'Internet file' as used in 'man lsof'?
[03:19] <Logikos> mzz: if you are refering to the menu where it says press escape and gives you like 3 seconds ... that has like 7 things in it ... its ubuntu, ubuntu recovery ... and then it repeats ... ubuntu ubuntu recovery or something ...
[03:19] <LogicFan> mzz, appreciate the response, thanks
[03:20] <vigneswwaaa> i copy and paste that and it says command not m=found
[03:20] <mzz> LogicFan: advantage is you can safely swap hardware without having to install drivers before you do so
[03:20] <soreau> ammagendut: I think /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ should be empty.. backup the mmu.list there then delete it and try again
[03:20] <vigneswwaaa> command not found
[03:20] <bernz> vigneswwaaa, careful, it appears you have a typo there maybe .... 'lspci', not 'lscpi' (though i could be wrong)
[03:20] <mzz> LogicFan: disadvantage is you have a ridiculous amount of drivers installed (and updated)
[03:20] <nickrud> mzz, that's pretty much correct, about drivers.
[03:20] <soreau> vigneswwaaa: lspci not lscpi
[03:20] <mzz> Logikos: yes, that menu. Using a livecd may be easier if you're new to things though.
[03:20] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, sorry:   lspci | grep wireless
[03:21] <shakir> nickrud : http://paste.ubuntu.com/117110/
[03:21] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, typo....
[03:21] <keevie> when upgrading to intrepid from hardy, something went very wrong. . .https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux it looks like this is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/289091 how do i fix this?
[03:21] <vigneswwaaa> well this time when i type it it does nothing
[03:22] <pepperjack> vigneswwaaa: always a good sign
[03:22] <vigneswwaaa> i got it
[03:22] <MarkJones> Can any of you say what the general rule of thumb is for when/if to install a new release of ubuntu? Do most people wait a while after most releases till theres a bunch of updates available so they dont run into major issues? Or is it just a jump in and start breaking stuff kinda thing and dont wait for anything?
[03:22] <Logikos> mzz: ok, but things may be more complex, windows xp was on this computer first, and i installed ubuntu from within windows, so ubuntu was made the 2nd operating system, windows xp offers the first boot menu, which i reversed and changed so ubuntu boots first ... as a result this drive is an NTFS partition and the ubuntu disk is really just a file on this drive  i think?? will the live cd see that and i'll be able to mess with it or
[03:22] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, alright, do:   lspci
[03:22] <Logikos> mzz: also, if i reboot to a live cd, i wont be able to be in here asking questions ... so i need to figure out everything i need to do, before i try it
[03:22] <keevie> sorry, broken link https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux
[03:22] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, pastebin the results
[03:23] <pepperjack> MarkJones: depends on the machine. many people jump from one update to the next. as long as you are able to put up with downtime that should be fine
[03:23] <mzz> Logikos: why not? You should be able to get at the net from the livecd just fine. Doesn't it have an irc client?
[03:23] <MarkJones> Im just wondering cause 8.04.2 seems realy reliable now to me and 8.10 still has reliability issues for me.
[03:23] <ashlessburn> mark what bit are u running'
[03:23] <mzz> Logikos: how did you do the "reversed" bit?
[03:23] <MarkJones> I see.
[03:23] <soreau> MarkJones: Then keep using 8.04 since it's LTS
[03:23] <mzz> Logikos: I'm not really familiar with wubi, if that's what you used...
[03:23] <vigneswwaaa> is it the netowrk controller
[03:23] <soreau> !lts
[03:23] <MarkJones> Right thats what im on right now.
[03:24] <marca311> Hi there! which do you think is better? 8.04 or 8.10
[03:24] <vigneswwaaa> cuz if it is then its
[03:24] <nickrud> shakir, ok, what we're gonna do is set up this package to just get it installed, then remove it immediately. Not sure why the file/dir wasn't created in /var/run
[03:24] <vigneswwaaa> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[03:24] <soreau> ! best | marca311
[03:24] <jaxx2kde> hey i had a quick question.. suppose i have a tarball lying on my desktop.. and i go and install the drivers after extracting it and all.. can i delete the folder?
[03:24] <Aleahhaley> hey everyone I'm back again...my issue was that after I uninstalled ubuntu my computer keeps trying to load grub and it won't load my windows partition anymore.
[03:24] <nickrud> shakir,   gksu gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios3-common.postinst
[03:24] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, that is it, you are using iw3945 drivers
[03:24] <keevie> jaxx2kde,  yes
[03:24] <soreau> marca311: It depends on the machine you're using and ultimately your opinion. The other big factor is what you use it for
[03:24] <mzz> jaxx2kde: probably, but don't install stuff by hand, use proper packages
[03:24] <vigneswwaaa> what does that mean
[03:24] <Aleahhaley> I got a windows cd though and went into the Repair section...but what do I do from there?
[03:25] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, which version of ubuntu are you using?
[03:25] <Logikos> mzz: i didnt use wubi ... no clue what it is, i burned the normal ubuntu cd, and put it in while i was in windows and to my surpize it had an instal option ... as for reversing i just ment in teh windows boot menu i reversed the order so that the default would be ubuntu rather than windows
[03:25] <marca311> thank you
[03:25] <jaxx2kde> keevie, mzz thanks
[03:25] <keevie> mzz, ....what if you need newer versions, there is nothing wrong with building things from source
[03:25] <mzz> Logikos: I think that was wubi, but someone would have to confirm
[03:25] <Logikos> mzz: as for the live cd having an irc client ... i have no idea?
[03:25] <vigneswwaaa> 8.10
[03:25] <soreau> Aleahhaley: Google it or ask in #windows | This isn't #windows
[03:25] <ubuntu_> how do i stop x11
[03:25] <MarkJones> As far as sticking with LTS releases goes, for the people who want reliable systems, do most wait for the first point release or not? Cause I remeber when I first tried 8.04 and it was ok, and now I came back and tried 8.04.2 and thats what I am on now and all seems great.
[03:25] <mib_lkgyn7> mzz: Any specifics? I am a little fimilar with wubi
[03:25] <mzz> keevie: as long as you don't run "make install" or the equivalent as root, sure (use checkinstall or an equivalent)
[03:25] <shakir> nickrud : http://paste.ubuntu.com/117112/
[03:25] <Aleahhaley> ok thanks.
[03:26] <pepperjack> ubuntu_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop  just restart instead of stop to restart
[03:26] <nickrud> MarkJones, for people that rely on their servers it's pretty common
[03:26] <Logikos> mzz: well i downloaded the normal live cd when i did it, if becuase i loaded it in windows it used 'wubi' i have no idea ... but ubuntu is not running inside windows when i boot to it ... that is, windows doesnt run when i boot to ubuntu
[03:26] <keevie> when upgrading to intrepid from hardy, something went very wrong. . .https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux it looks like this is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/289091 how do i fix this?
[03:26] <soreau> ubuntu_: Ctrl+Alt+F1 then login and run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[03:26] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: Logikos here had it booting windows bootmanager thingy -> grub -> ubuntu, now it boots grub -> initramfs rescue shell.
[03:26] <nickrud> shakir, ok, on line 4 type    exit 0 , then save and close the file
[03:26] <mepholic> u
[03:26] <MarkJones> Ok cool.So what is the next expected LTS release anyways? 9.10?
[03:26] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: that's about all the info I have so far
[03:27] <Titan8990> vigneswwaaa, you should check out this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[03:27] <nickrud> !releases | MarkJones
[03:27] <mib_lkgyn7> mzz: The first setup is definitely wubi's way of doing things. But it can also be done by hand if required to do so
[03:27] <uzair> hi all, i was looking for some help regarding open vpn (vpn connections in general actually)
[03:27] <vigneswwaaa> ok will do
[03:27] <vigneswwaaa> thanks
[03:27] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: this sounds like what the initramfs would do for a nonsensical root=, but I don't know what a sensible root= is for a wubi install
[03:28] <shakir> nickrud :  line 4 that si  after set -e ?
[03:28] <Logikos> mzz mib_lkgyn7:  it is still loading windows boot menu first, that is all the same, windows boot menu, ubuntu's menu option (if i hit escape) ... and then when it would normaly load ubuntu, it loads initramfs
[03:28] <nickrud> !wubi | mib_lkgyn7 (more likely to get reliable support on their forum. Most of the people on irc don't use wubi :)
[03:28] <nickrud> shakir, exactlyt
[03:29] <porter1> !flash
[03:29] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: And you haven't made any drastic changes after the install? Meaning, the wubi install is still intact?
[03:29] <shakir> nickrud: i saved now?
[03:29] <nickrud> mib_lkgyn7, ah, sorry, misread/typed
[03:29] <MarkJones> Ok cool.Looks like Ill be sticking with LTS releases only, and always waiting for the first point release so I have a reliable system.Thank you guys!
[03:29] <Logikos> mzz, mib_lkgyn7: also when i loaded windows it said it recovered from severe error ... my gf had loaded windows, and when i came back windows aparently crashed (not sure why, she wont tell) and ubuntu (being the default in windows boot menu) tryed to load but went to initramfs instead
[03:29] <nickrud> shakir, yes. after you save, run   sudo apt-get -f install
[03:30] <gamma> Hi, i got my GDM to start manual, and can't remember how to fix it back!!
[03:30] <mib_lkgyn7> nickrud: Doesn't matter. Mibbit doesn't even highlight messages with my nick :P
[03:30] <Owner> .j #flexd
[03:30] <shakir> nickrud : http://paste.ubuntu.com/117115/
[03:30] <Titan8990> gamma, sudo update-rc.d gdm
[03:30] <gamma> thanks
[03:31] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: no changes, it worked perfectly before i left for my trip, today my gf was trying to print something and i walked her though some things, had her boot to windows to print .. she left it in windows, says nothing strange happened, i come home and its in initramfs ...i reboot same thing, i go to windows and it says it recovered from a severe error
[03:31] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Does it always say recovered from a serious error? Did you try doing a diskcheck?
[03:31] <nickrud> shakir, ok, so far so good. now, sudo apt-get purge nagios3-common nagios3  to remove it
[03:31] <Titan8990> gamma, or it might be: sudo update-rc.d add gdm
[03:31] <mzz> Logikos: I'm not sure what happened, but if this is wubi (which I think it is) I have pretty much no idea what the normal state of things is, so I can't really tell what changed from that state either
[03:32] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: since i got back, i've only booted into windows once ... so its only said it once, i wouldnt expect it to say it again but i havent tryed
[03:32] <MarkJones> Only problem I see is that ive been in Debian Etch until now and I have a LPR driver and cups wrapper for my printer.But not sure how to get that driver to work.It doesnt show up in the drivers list like in Debian.Anyone know what I need to do?
[03:32] <keevie> when upgrading to intrepid from hardy, something went very wrong. . .https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux it looks like this is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/289091 does anyone know how do i fix this?
[03:32] <mib_lkgyn7> mzz: Here is a drill down of what happens, a large file is created on the NTFS partition. The NTFS parition is mounted on /host, and then the file is loopback mounted on /
[03:32] <shakir> nickrud: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117117/
[03:32] <peepsalot> I tried setting resolv.conf, but it was apparently overwritten.  is there a way to set this so it won't be overwritten?
[03:33] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: the initramfs does all that, right?
[03:33] <MarkJones> Right now my printer is using a recomended driver instead.
[03:33] <Logikos> mzz, mib_lkgyn7 i have my ubuntu dvd ... i could try putting it in right now and see if it gives me a prompt or something ??
[03:33] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: how is the initramfs told where everything is?
[03:33] <nickrud> MarkJones, make sure that you've installed the right packages; if so, file a bug
[03:33] <mib_lkgyn7> mzz: I am not exactly sure how it is internally handled. Wait, let me try to digg up some info
[03:33] <mzz> mib_lkgyn7: I can do that myself, probably :)
[03:33] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: A diskcheck from Windows wouldn't hurt a little bit
[03:34] <nickrud> shakir, ok, we're in a stable state with nagios3 uninistalled. You can try reinstalling it, but I think you might want to check that you have disk space left, etc.
[03:34] <X4D_> Hello, is there a channel around here to get help with networking, more specifically troubleshooting DNS problems
[03:35] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: k
[03:35] <shakir> nickrud: i have a 63.7 GB free disc space
[03:35] <nickrud> shakir, hm, you only tried installing nagios3-common in the first place?
[03:36] <keevie> when upgrading to intrepid from hardy, something went very wrong. . .https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux it looks like this is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/289091 does anyone know how do i fix this?
[03:36] <secvuln> anyone have any idea on how to get ubuntu to reconize my sound card?
[03:36] <keevie> !details secvuln
[03:37] <keevie> meh
[03:37] <shakir> nickrud: now what shoud i do ?
[03:37] <keevie> secvuln, whats the matter? whats the sound card?
[03:37] <northox> linux is gay stuff
[03:37] <youyi> -cn
[03:38] <nickrud> shakir, if you're trying to get nagios3 , you should do   sudo apt-get install nagios3  , it will pull in any packages it needs, including -common. Now, I'm not promising it will work, that you won't be in the same spot you were ;)
[03:38] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: diskcheck complete, (i did not check the box to scan for and atempt to repair bad sectors ... that takes hours?) but the normal check passed fine
[03:38] <secvuln> keeview, Don't really know, it's a laptop and I usually refrain from opening them, as there small and compact.
[03:38] <marca311_> northox: how come you are on the ubuntu forums?
[03:38] <keevie> secvuln, what???
[03:39] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Yeah, that should be fine. So, the thing is it goes into initramfs recovery... there are a few threads on ubuntuforums but nothing too substaincial
[03:39] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: in grub's menu there is a recovery option .... i chose to try to boot to windows before i tryed that, so i didnt try it ... what does that do, is it worth a try?
[03:39] <secvuln> keeview, I don't really know
[03:39] <billybigrigger> w00t..just put my new server together and it posted first go!!!
[03:39] <secvuln> keeview, I don't know what sound card is in here unfortunately.
[03:39] <billybigrigger> just thought i'd share that with everyone, im pumped muhaha
[03:40] <shakir> nickrud: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117118/
[03:40] <nickrud> shakir, ok, that's a good install.
[03:40] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7 most of my data, from in ubuntu, or windows, i stored to other partitions ... so if i lost this and had to start over it wouldnt kill me, however it would be very inconvient ...
[03:40] <X4D_> I need help... I was messing around with dyndns and registered my IP there... I was not able to make it work properly... now I can't access most websites, google yes, wikipedia no and many others are unreachable. Is there anyone who could point me in the right direction to solve this problem ?
[03:40] <keevie> secvuln, find out! google the laptop or someting
[03:40] <shakir> nickrud : now we fix the error?
[03:41] <bjb1959> trying to get a tv card and usb camera to work but can't because they both try to use /dev/video0 any ideas?
[03:41] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Yeah I get it. Although it is a really weird bug, let me see if google can kelp
[03:41] <nickrud> shakir, no error to fix now :)
[03:41] <shakir> nickrud: ok thank you very much
[03:41] <Marsjanin> Hello
[03:41] <n1ghtcrwler> mornin
[03:41] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7 good luck, i tryed google but didnt notice anything to useful ...
[03:41] <nickrud> shakir, if you compare http://paste.ubuntu.com/117109/ to the last paste, you can see the difference and similarity
[03:41] <keevie> when upgrading to intrepid from hardy, something went very wrong. . .https://keevie.privatepaste.com/3djs1WqBux it looks like this is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/289091 does anyone know how do i fix this?
[03:42] <n1ghtcrwler> I have a couple things I'd like some advice on, if I could
[03:42] <nickrud> keevie, I tried going to your pastebin; it has a cert and I can't click it easily because of the leading period
[03:42] <shakir> nickrud:) yes i can see difference :)
[03:42] <nickrud> keevie, the leading period in the link above
[03:42] <keevie> Nickrud, sorry, ill paste it somewhere else
[03:42] <Scunizi> X4D_: most likely your dns servers in the router you replaced with those suggested by dyndns.. if you don't want the service chnage the dns servers.
[03:43] <keevie> nickrud, http://pastebin.com/m2351ee2c
[03:44] <n1ghtcrwler> I just installed intrepid onto my older Gateway laptop.  It created a partition (which I'd like to delete the Windows one, issue one), and I can't get the wireless receiver to turn on (issue two)
[03:44] <Marsjanin> I got a problem: somebody packed up a huge file with (as I suppose) WinZIP using (new in it?) multipart function. The files are named: .z01 .z02 .z03 and last .zip - I cannot open it under Ubuntu in no way. :( Even copying it with cat first > temp, cat second >> temp etc.
[03:44] <Dracie_> freaking fail - this is why nobody uses emerald https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/205364
[03:44] <n1ghtcrwler> anybody know how to do either of those?  The wireless is the more pressing issue
[03:45] <Baatti> Greetings all, I was wondering if I could get some assistance with Direct Connecting my cell phone to my linux box via a usb cable
[03:45] <X4D_> Scunizi: thanks for the tip, but I have reset my router and my DNS are pointing to my ISP. I've also expierienced similar issues before with MTU settings but after adjusting them there is no change
[03:45] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7 when i put the ubuntu dvd into windows now it gives 3 options, first is 'demo and full instal' which reads to reboot the system, boot to cd, and you can demo, instal ubuntu alongside windows, or as the only OS ... 2nd option (probably what i tryed last time to get the setup i now have which worked for a few months untill now) is 'install inside windows' which reads to instal and uninstal ubuntu like any other application,
[03:45] <trwww> Hello. I can ssh from ALICE to BOBO but not BOB to ALICE. How do I copy a directory on ALICE to BOB?
[03:45] <Baatti> When I connect the phone, Linux recognizes it as a Broadband connection. I'm looking to just mount the phone as a volume
[03:45] <nickrud> keevie, I can help you remove the certificate package and the error; if you have one of the headless jre's installed that means it'll have to go as well. Or, we can fake out dpkg, make it think the cert package installed ok even though it didn't. That'll fix apt for you
[03:45] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Yeah, that is wubi. It relies of some parts of Windows to run properly
[03:46] <keevie> nickrud, great, i dont mind killing some certs, where to look?
[03:46] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: I would say, go for a full install if you really want Ubuntu as a full fledge OS
[03:46] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: i would much rather we figure out how to save my past instlation beings i cant go in there and back anything up (such as my email) .. but if i chose option 1, and instal it alongside windows ... how does that work? how is it different?
[03:46] <keevie> nickrud, pm?
[03:46] <mzz> trwww: just use scp (scp /path/to/dir bob:/path/to/destination from a shell on alice)?
[03:46] <nickrud> keevie, ok, put a copy of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst  on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:47] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: It should create a proper partition, and then let you install it as a separate partition, rather than running it inside the windows partition
[03:47] <mzz> trwww: or sftp if you prefer, all obviously assuming you have a shell on alice)
[03:47] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: i'm working on geting so i dont depend on windows, but i still depend on it slightly ... and would like both OS's .... i COULD instal windows in a VM i understand after doing ubuntu first but that cuts resources right?
[03:47] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Could you try a Chkdsk /r on the main boot parition
[03:48] <houstond> ok so noob question here, I've downloaded an application  .bin to be exact, how do i install it?
[03:48] <houstond> :-D
[03:48] <keevie> nickrud, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117119/
[03:48] <keevie> houstond, first do chmod +x app.bin, then do ./app.bin and follow instructions
[03:48] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7: trying
[03:48] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: As long as you are not running a game inside a VM, you should be fine
[03:49] <trygg> Is there some alternative to synaptic package manager?
[03:49] <sileni> hmm the new firefox starts in fullscreen every single time, and i have to press f11 twice to get it to normal. Does anyone know where the config file for firefox is so i can make it start normal everytime
[03:49] <theUg> Hi all. Is there a normal solution to keyring password problem when auto log-in?
[03:49] <mzz> linuxnooooob: recommend you don't run random stuff you downloaded as root though (more often than not there are packages you can use instead)
[03:49] <nickrud> keevie, ok, I'd suggest putting   exit 0   on line 4, just below set -e . then run sudo apt-get -f install . Once it completes,  sudo apt-get purge ca-certificates-java
[03:49] <RussM> Logikos, What do you use Windows for? That might determine whether Windows in a VM would be sufficient. It is for me.
[03:49] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7 says 'chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by anouther process. ... i can scedual it to do it on a reboot?
[03:49] <mzz> sileni: that may be stored in localstore.rdf (under ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default)
[03:49] <Titan8990> sileni, if im not mistaken, that is a bug with compiz
[03:49] <Marsjanin> trygg: apt-get ?
[03:49] <mib_lkgyn7> Logikos: Yes please
[03:49] <trygg> yeah, i meant a gui ;)
[03:50] <sileni> Titan8990: hmm, is there a fix for this bug?
[03:50] <trygg> dont really know how to search
[03:50] <theUg> trygg: Add/Remove programs?
[03:50] <Titan8990> sileni, unsure, only effects some people, I would search the forums because that is where I have seen it
[03:50] <linuxnooooob> um apparently i did something wrong keevie  says no such file or directory
[03:50] <mzz> RussM: for pretty much everything that isn't a game I think a vm is not just sufficient but superior :)
[03:50] <Logikos> RussM: ms excell (there are some things that open office just doesnt do right :\ ) ... and paint shop pro  are what i switch over to windows for ... i just havent figured gimp out yet .. and psp just doesnt run right in wine
[03:50] <Baatti> I'm trying to mount my cellphone as a volume, running Ubuntu 8.10....when I connect the phone (via usb), linux recognizes it as a Broadband Connection, but I can't view the volume. I can only configure a broadband connection. Anyone have ideas on how I can just mount the phone as a volume?
[03:50] <keevie> linuxnooooob, yeah, you have to replace app.bin with the actual filename. . .
[03:50] <linuxnooooob> um i did that :-) lolz
[03:51] <Logikos> mib_lkgyn7 k, i'll reboot and do that russ: i'll check your responce when i get back
[03:51] <mzz> linuxnooooob: also have to be in the directory that file is (not sure if "cd /path/to/that/file" was included)
[03:51] <Logikos> mzz: your saying a VM is beter than windows OS by itself? ... what about ram?
[03:51] <RussM> Logikos, Unless you're crunching an extremely complicated spreadsheet, I'm pretty sure a VM could handle running Excel just fine.
[03:51] <theUg> Anyone knows about keyring password prompt problem?
[03:51] <Logikos> i have 1.5 GB of ram
[03:51] <keevie> nickrud, okay, i did that, and it seemed to work. now i should probably change some stuff back? i doubt that script was completely useless
[03:51] <Marsjanin> Anybody knows how to unpack a multipart zip (z01, z02...zip), please?
[03:51] <Logikos> ubuntu was useing just under .8
[03:52] <mzz> Logikos: ah, yes, you need a bit of ram. Not as much as I initially thought though, because apparently the drivers for the virtual sound and graphics are smaller than the (windows) drivers for the actual hardware.
[03:53] <Logikos> RussM: what about psp ... will psp be able to take screen shots from apps loaded in ubuntu? or are the OS's seperate like with windows virtual pc ... clipboard doesnt transfer etc?
[03:53] <RussM> mzz, I'm with you. I'm very happy with VMs.
[03:53] <mib_lkgyn7> So, who was asking about multipartÉ
[03:53] <mzz> Logikos: clipboard should transfer. You can also share folders from the host to the guest.
[03:53] <nickrud> keevie, you can try running the install again, you know how to back out of a failed install now. But I'd look over the bug report, see if it has a workaround, if you really need those certs
[03:53] <mzz> Logikos: so you can just use an ubuntu screenshot app and save the screenshot in a directory the guest sees.
[03:53] <linuxnooooob> so yeah i've made sure i had the right path and all, not sure what im doing wrong
[03:53] <mib_lkgyn7> Marsjanin: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-952119.html
[03:54] <mzz> Logikos: (I haven't used the clipboard transfer for anything but text, I think)
[03:54] <Logikos> mzz: well i have other partitions ... in /media on ubuntu ... the windows inside the VM would have access to those partitions as D:\ and E:\ etc right?
[03:54] <keevie> nickrud, alright, thanks muchly. i doubt i would have found that on my own
[03:54] <mzz> linuxnooooob: try to tab-complete the filename and dir to make sure you get them right
[03:54] <nickrud> keevie, doing the purge undid anything that script would have done, so you're back to a state as if you'd never installed it (I think that's what you were really asking)
[03:54] <mzz> Logikos: if you want them to be.
[03:54] <Titan8990> Logikos, not without special configuration
[03:54] <RussM> Logikos, I don't know if you'll be able to cut/paste more than text... it may depend on the VM you pick, too.
[03:54] <sileni> Titan8990: ah yes, it has not been fixed yet. Thank you for letting me now. I'm probably going to revert back to older and stabler version of firefox
[03:54] <Baatti> I'm trying to mount my cellphone as a volume, running Ubuntu 8.10....when I connect the phone (via usb), linux recognizes it as a Broadband Connection, but I can't view the volume. I can only configure a broadband connection. Anyone have ideas on how I can just mount the phone as a volume?
[03:54] <Titan8990> Logikos, and it is considered dangerous, easier to host them via ftp or scp on the host machine
[03:54] <RussM> Logikos, psp?
[03:55] <mzz> Logikos: the vm doesn't look at the actual on-disk partitions. You can just share one or more actual host directories, which the guest sees as network filesystems.
[03:55] <linuxnooooob> tab-complete the file name? and dir to make sure i got them right?
[03:55] <Logikos> Titan8990: i'm more concerned about resource sharing ... for example, i plug my flash drive into the pc ... ubuntu will see it ... will windows see it inside the VM ?
[03:55] <Titan8990> sileni, good to hear you found what you were looking for
[03:55] <piti__> ikonia: thanks for your help yesterday
[03:55] <mzz> Logikos: afaik this is pretty safe as long as you're selective in what you share.
[03:55] <Marsjanin> mib_lkgyn7: I just did that in few steps, now I try run cat with all files as a parametest like there was.
[03:55] <Draken> hi im running kbuntu and I cant figure out why I have no screen savers I have random and blank why is that?
[03:55] <Logikos> RussM: Paint Shop Pro ... i'm not a photo shop fan ... i like psp beter
[03:55] <Titan8990> Logikos, no, but it will with additional configuration, you can mount usb drives in your vm
[03:56] <mzz> Logikos: windows doesn't see your host usb devices (unless you explicitly configure this, which is only useful for devices you don't have host drivers for)
[03:56] <mzz> Logikos: the vm won't see the actual flash drive, but if you mount the flash drive below a directory that's shared with the guest it'll see its contents just fine
[03:56] <RussM> Logikos, Oh, sorry, I don't use it.
[03:56] <sagredo> since I updated to 8.10 expose crashes compizfusion
[03:56] <sagredo> what gives!!!
[03:57] <linuxnooooob> so yeah totally lost
[03:57] <Logikos> Titan8990: mzz: RussM: if i 'share' /media ... so long as i've opened it in ubuntu and therefore ubuntu auto mounts it under /media ... the windows will be able to access it as a network drive .. do i understand this correctly?
[03:57] <mzz> Logikos: yep.
[03:58] <n1ghtcrwler> How do I delete the Windows partition on my computer to run ubuntu exclusively?
[03:58] <mzz> Logikos: windows has no clue the stuff below /media/ is actually on different drives. It just sees all of /media as a regular network share.
[03:58] <Logikos> understood
[03:58] <Jaan|Perfect> is there any software wich collates details of my hardware devices and send report and let me know whether hardware is supported and drivers are available
[03:58] <mzz> Logikos: (I'm talking about VirtualBox, but this should be very similar in other vm software)
[03:58] <Logikos> as long as the directory names are unique enough to identify what i'm dealing with
[03:58] <RussM> Logikos, the actual mechanism for sharing files differs a bit between VMs, but yes, you can usually make any part of the host filesystem available to the guest.
[03:58] <Logikos> which i presume are the device lables
[03:58] <Titan8990> Logikos, they can be whatever you want them to be
[03:59] <mzz> Logikos: and you *can* probably give the vm access to the raw partition too, but that's usually less convenient (because you can't do the same from the host at the same time, they'd stomp on each other)
[03:59] <Baatti> n1ghtcrwler, just boot your computer from the cd, and chose to install Ubuntu..when the partitioner asks you how you want to partition, chose GUIDED FULL
[03:59] <Logikos> alright, great ... is .5GB RAM alocation enough for XP + MS Office + Paint Shop Pro ?
[03:59] <Logikos> i know that it is 'enough to get buy'
[03:59] <Logikos> but ...
[03:59] <Logikos> by*
[04:00] <linuxnooooob> still cant install the damn thing
[04:00] <mzz> Logikos: I haven't used PSP enough to answer that. I'd expect it to be quite sufficient for office.
[04:00] <RussM> Logikos,  I wish I had PSP to try it.
[04:00] <nickrud> linuxnooooob, what exactly are you trying to install anyway?
[04:00] <Logikos> psp has ALOT less overhead that adobe photoshop
[04:00] <trwww> mzz: thanks!
[04:00] <Logikos> i'd estamate half
[04:00] <keevie> time to tell him to use apt :D
[04:00] <n1ghtcrwler> Baatti: that's a bit of a problem.  For some reason, my cd drive won't acknowledge the ubuntu cd.  I had to extract it to the desktop and install it from there.  The install worked, but now I'm stuck with the partitions
[04:00] <linuxnooooob> Planeshift.   game  its a .bin
[04:00] <nickrud> keevie, that's where I hoped it would go :)
[04:00] <linuxnooooob> have it downloaded to desktop
[04:00] <RussM> Logikos, I just went with Gimp - it's not as "pretty", perhaps, but it does what I want.
[04:01] <Titan8990> Logikos, 512mb might be pushing it for all those apps at the same time
[04:01] <Logikos> eventualy i pray i'll be free from my windows dependancy but ... i'm working on it lol
[04:01] <nickrud> linuxnooooob, sudo ~/Desktop/<planeshiftfilename>
[04:01] <Titan8990> Logikos, I always found 1gb to be ideal for xp
[04:01] <Titan8990> Logikos, but yes, you will get by
[04:01] <sileni> ephiphany is still as powerful as firefox is correct?
[04:01] <Baatti> n1ghtcrwler, did you mount the .iso file on the disk as an image?
[04:02] <Logikos> RussM: i tryed Gimp several times ... it takes me to long to do the things i need to do ... several things i cant figure out how to make it do .. but i cant figure out how to make photoshop do it either and ppl love photoshop ... its just i hate graphic design but i have to do it some times ... and i dont want to invest the time into switching programs ?
[04:02] <mzz> Logikos: oh, yes, I was interpreting that as one office app or psp at a time
[04:02] <n1ghtcrwler> Baatti: yep.  And all my roommates' computers recognize it for what it should be.  Just not mine (which I presume has something to do with the host of problems that encouraged me to drop Windows in the first place)
[04:02] <mzz> Logikos: keep in mind that you'll probably end up installing fewer drivers and background utilities on the vm
[04:02] <Logikos> Titan8990: i agree .. but i think ubuntu as the primary OS containing the VM needs more than .5 GB and i cant aford to upgrade my ram :\
[04:03] <Baatti> n1ghtcrwler, hrm, I know a few people who've had similar problems. I unfortunately don't have the expertise to assist you further. Just keep asking around here and I'm sure someone who CAN help will
[04:03] <Baatti> sorry
[04:03] <mzz> Logikos: also, you can usually play with the ram allocation a bit with just reboots of the vm, so you can find a sweet spot somewhere between .5G and 1G if necessary
[04:03] <linuxnooooob> usage: sudo -h | -K | -k | -L | -l | -V | -v
[04:03] <linuxnooooob> usage: sudo [-bEHPS] [-p prompt] [-u username|#uid] [VAR=value]
[04:03] <linuxnooooob>             {-i | -s | <command>}
[04:03] <linuxnooooob> usage: sudo -e [-S] [-p prompt] [-u username|#uid] file ...
[04:03] <jaxx2kde> I am trying to install b43-fwcutter and I downloaded and extracted the tarball but when i cd to the directory and go "make" it gives me a "make: Nothing to be done for `all'." error
[04:03] <Logikos> that nice guy who was trying to research how to solve my problem no longer seems to be here mib_something
[04:03] <Titan8990> Logikos, no, it will run fine, windows uses virtual memory similar to linux swap
[04:03] <RussM> Logikos, I understand. I love Gimp because it's powerful enough for me, available on Linux and Windows, and scriptable. But believe me, I know it's not easy to learn a new model.
[04:04] <Ryan_Chau> hey
[04:04] <Ryan_Chau> i had a quick question
[04:04] <Ryan_Chau> does anyone know if there is a chinese vrsion of ubuntu
[04:04] <Titan8990> !pastebin | linuxnooooob
[04:04] <mzz> jaxx2kde: that sounds like you missed a ./configure (so there's no Makefile yet)
[04:04] <n1ghtcrwler> Baatti: that's fine.  But I have another problem, do you know how to get it to let me turn on my wireless receiver?  It's an old Gateway, and the only way to turn it on that I know of is Fn+F2.  The ubuntu doesn't appear to recognize the command.
[04:05] <Marsjanin> multipart ZIP problem: the zip -F archive.zip did the trick. Thanks.
[04:05] <redvamp128> jaxx2kde:  why not just install the deb - I found one for all distro's on packages Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- b43-fwcutter <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=b43-fwcutter+&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all>
[04:05] <Baatti> n1ghtcrwler, that I'm not sure of either. I've never used a Gateway laptop...on my laptop I have a little switch button
[04:06] <sagredo> what gives!!!
[04:06] <sagredo> since I updated to 8.10 expose crashes compizfusion
[04:06] <learning> anyone have scripts/software for 29/36 stuff?
[04:06] <n1ghtcrwler> Baatti: heh, yeah, my old one had that.  Much easier.  Alright, thanks anyway!
[04:06] <mzz> learning: for what?
[04:06] <Logikos> Titan8990:, mzz, RussM, anyone i missed: thanks for all the info and all the help ... i was really hopeing to recover my ubuntu partition but no one seems to have a clue how to do that ... thankfuly i didnt save much inside that actual partition .. i'll reboot for the chkdsk /r now
[04:06] <Logikos> bbl
[04:06] <linuxnooooob> um still lost
[04:06] <Baatti> n1ghtcrwler, SORRY i couldn't be more help. Good luck, and don't give up
[04:06] <redvamp128> jaxx2kde:  was that the correct program you wanted to install ? ? Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- b43-fwcutter <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=b43-fwcutter+&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all>
[04:07] <Titan8990> Logikos, you didn't ask about recovering a ubuntu partition?
[04:07] <mzz> heh
[04:07] <mzz> redvamp128++
[04:07] <n1ghtcrwler> alright.  Does anyone know how to delete the Windows partition after installing intrepid that doesn't involve the ubuntu boot disk?
[04:07] <Titan8990> ....
[04:08] <jaxx2kde> mzz, redvamp128: i am trying to install the b43 drivers for my broadcom so that i can patch them in order to use aircrack
[04:08] <Titan8990> n1ghtcrwler, fdisk
[04:08] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, if you don't mind keeping the partition *SPACE*, you can just format it as ext3 or something
[04:08] <RussM> Titan8990, I think the question was way - way back.
[04:08] <jaxx2kde> it says right now that i am running some "wl" driver
[04:08] <redvamp128> jaxx2kde:  Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware 	 fwcutter is a tool which can extract firmware from various source files. It's written for BCM43xx driver files.
[04:09] <n1ghtcrwler> Titan8990: where's that?  rdw200169: I really would like to just dump it altogether
[04:09] <learning> i've half a mind to join a club and beat you with it
[04:09] <jaxx2kde> yes.. i have a BCM4311
[04:09] <Ryan_Chau> does anyone know if there is a chinese version of ubuntu?
[04:09] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, the best thing for you is gparted, it's a graphical partition manager
[04:09] <Baatti> Ryan_Chau, can't you just chose chinese as your native language when installing?
[04:10] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, it's always... ALWAYS... dangerous to try what you are talking about, i.e. resizing your linux partition to fill the space that windows once filled
[04:10] <rainbowinfinity> can anyone help me adjust the settings for folding@home?..it runs all the time and i'm afraid of killing my puter
[04:10] <ashlessburn> rainbow why are u adjusting setting
[04:10] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, especially if you want (or need) to keep the information on your linux side intact
[04:10] <trwww> I have a question about the .screenrc file... namely, the screen statement syntax. At
[04:10] <n1ghtcrwler> rdw200269: is that available on the Add/Remove Applications thing, or no?  And what's dangerous about it?
[04:10] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, you can also screw up the boot manager... among other things
[04:10] <trwww> http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/09/27/a-guide-to-gnu-screen/
[04:10] <n1ghtcrwler> ah
[04:10] <trwww> it gives the example:
[04:11] <trwww> screen -t NameOfScreen ScreenNumber ShellCommand
[04:11] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, just search for gparted in synaptic
[04:11] <trwww> but for ShellCommand, it dosent seem that I can put arbitrary commands in there.
[04:11] <rainbowinfinity> it seems to run constantly and I'm afraid it's going to kill my processor or something
[04:11] <trwww> for example, for:
[04:11] <trwww> screen -t prod1  4 cd /usr/prod
[04:11] <trwww> cannot exec 'cd' no such file or directory
[04:11] <trwww> does anyone know where I can find some documentation for ShellCommand?
[04:12] <n1ghtcrwler> rdw200269: well, crap.  I really wanna free up that memory space, I don't have a whole lot to be splitting between the two, you know?  What's the likelyhood, do you think, of wrecking ubuntu in the process?
[04:12] <ashlessburn> umm unless u are running root or a specefic install u should be good im not quite understanding why u are tryign to modifiy thoguh
[04:12] <mzz> trwww: "cd" is a shell builtin (it has to be)
[04:12] <usser> rainbowinfinity, its supposed to run constantly, you basically donating your cpu time, your computer was designed to run constantly, it cant kill it by loading the processor with tasks
[04:12]  * mzz wonders if there's special syntax to start a process in a different initial dir
[04:12]  * mzz checks
[04:12] <zcat[1]> rainbowinfinity: that's how it works.. if you don't like having a program that uses 100% of your 'spare processing power' why did you install one?
[04:12] <trwww> so I cant use shell builtins in SHellCommand
[04:12] <trwww> ?
[04:12] <linuxnooooob> thank you nickrud your the man
[04:12] <rainbowinfinity> but the fan runs constantly since I installed it, even while I'm working on it, and it never used to
[04:13] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, if you try resizing, the problems would be several-fold; consequentially, you can't run ubuntu of that partition while attempting a resize operation
[04:13] <nickrud> linuxnooooob, yw
[04:13] <RussM> trwww, even if you did use cd, the shell would then end.
[04:13] <zcat[1]> rainbowinfinity: es. exactly. That's what happens when you're constantly using 100% of available processing power
[04:13] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, so you would likely have to use the gparted livecd
[04:13] <Zencyde> Hey, I'm having trouble the the GNOME clock applet. Whenever I try to set the system time, it starts up the Compiz benchmark. I've since disabled the benchmark and the application kills itself upon entering my password. Anyone care to help?
[04:13] <RussM> trwww, Do you just want to have the screen session started, but be in a particular directory?
[04:13] <XDS2010> Small Question:  Can 'vmalloc=xxxM' be initiated at the boot command level  ?
[04:14] <rainbowinfinity> i want it to use all of my processor...when i'm not using it, i want to set it up so it works while i'm not working
[04:14] <mzz> trwww: look for the "chdir" command in the manual
[04:14] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, that, and with 2 separate partitions, you *could* do a very smart thing (for the future) and assign the /home directory to that space
[04:14] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, then, if you want to re-install ubuntu, you can keep your /home folder where all your personal configurations and files reside
[04:14] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  why not just turn compiz off then set clock- System- preferences then appearance -- then visual effects turn them off
[04:14] <darksmurf> I am running intrepid on a dell mini9. I have no swap space. I have been reading about how to use s2disk with a swap file that is activated right before hibernating and deactivated after resuming. I am able to execute 's2disk', hibernate and resume with no real problems. How can I make gnome's 'hibernate' option from the Shut down menu execute s2disk, or a custom script?
[04:14] <n1ghtcrwler> rdw200169: which likely wouldn't work, as my computer is being very finnicky about what disks it reads.  Ah, well, I'll just delete as much of the Windows stuff as I can to free up space, leave the partition.  How do I make ubuntu the primary boot?
[04:15] <mzz> trwww: alternatively, use "sh -c 'insert shell here'" in the command
[04:15] <mzz> trwww: chdir is much more convenient for this particular case though
[04:15] <trwww> > (11:12:07 PM) mzz: trwww: "cd" is a shell builtin (it has to be)
[04:15] <trwww> yeah it was suprising! I thought I knew linux pretty well, but when I did a 'which cd' it didnt find it
[04:15] <Zencyde> You know, I don't think the issue is with Compiz. :(
[04:15] <trwww> I figrured it was in memory and called something else on disk
[04:15] <trwww> no biggie... but right now I /am/ trying to figure out how that relates to commands in the .screenrc file
[04:15] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, why do you say it wouldn't work?  how is ubuntu installed right now?  you did a normal install, right? i.e. not wubi?
[04:15] <Zencyde> Also, I'd rather avoid having to deal with killing and starting new processes. :P Got any advice that doesn't require that?
[04:15] <mzz> trwww: processes run *by* your interactive shell can't change its environment or working directory.
[04:16] <RussM> trwww, Environment things (like current work directory) are inherited by child processes.... but what happens in the child process doesn't affect the parent process.
[04:16] <mzz> trwww: if "cd" was not a builtin it'd run, change its own working directory, then exit.
[04:16] <trwww> mzz: cool thx
[04:16] <trwww> ah... that I do understand
[04:16] <trwww> mzz+++++
[04:16] <RussM> trwww, So, if you started a child process (that is, cd) it would affect that child process, but then exit.
[04:16] <mzz> trwww: (or you'd have to use it like the "env" command: run it, change directory, then have it exec a new shell. That's pretty daft though)
[04:16] <mzz> heh
[04:16] <n1ghtcrwler> rdw200169: I downloaded the disc image, extracted it to the desktop, and ran it from there.  The (3) cd's I made of it, while all work fine when I checked them (without installing them) on my roommates' computers, mine wouldn't even acknowledge the disc had anything on it
[04:17] <mzz> RussM: sorry, missed your reply
[04:17] <rainbowinfinity> zcat[1].. i understand the point of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>been running it on my ps3 for over a year, but even when i ran it on windows, i had the option to let it work while i was not...all i want is that option
[04:17] <mzz> would've kept my mouth shut otherwise :)
[04:17] <trwww> no biggie... I understand now... its similar to changing an environment var in a script. When the script exits, the value is gone.
[04:17] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, when I see that problem (and I have, many times) it usually ends up being a bad cdrom drive.
[04:17] <RussM> mzz, np, I was typing heads down too. ;)
[04:17] <[PRO]Lifixs> I used to have an icon configured to toggle root access, but i forgot the command i used. Anyone have any idea what I could use?
[04:17] <mzz> trwww: same thing happens when you change the groups your user is in and don't log out and back in
[04:17] <iShock> Would you guys suggest Wubi or vmware for installing ubuntu if I'm unable to partition my HD?
[04:18] <RussM> trwww, So, what's the end result you want? I'm sure there's a way to get there.
[04:18] <rdw200169> n1ghtcrwler, you don't even have ubuntu installed?
[04:18] <Zencyde> Okay, I just turned off Compiz. Same problem as before. It kills itself upon finishing my password.
[04:18] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: except that it reads audio cd's (and the apps on some of them) just fine
[04:18] <darksmurf> [PRO]Lifixs, toggle it how? in a shell?
[04:18] <Wee> would anyone happen to know of an easy-to-use (easy-to-use, as in, my grandma should be able to use it) screenshot utility that offers the ability the ability to select/draw the focused to-be-shot recatange-area?
[04:18] <n1ghtcrwler> rdw200169: yeah, I'm talking to you from the ubuntu partition that I installed that way.  The install worked fine by that method, I just have the partitions to deal with now
[04:18] <rdw200169> Wee, you should just hit the screenshot key!
[04:18] <Zencyde> What's the GNOME clock applet called, anyway? Maybe reinstalling or doing a dpkg configure would help?
[04:18] <[PRO]Lifixs> Like on the desktop on the panel.
[04:18] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, did that drive burn the disks? has that drive ever been able to read burned disks from the drive you used?
[04:19] <rdw200169> Wee, i.e. Print Screen
[04:19] <rdw200169> Wee, go ahead, try it!
[04:19] <trwww> RussM: I'd like to do 'cd /usr/prod' as ShellCommand in the .screenrc entry 'screen -t NameOfScreen ScreenNumber ShellCommand'
[04:19] <iShock> Would you guys suggest Wubi or vmware for installing ubuntu if I'm unable to partition my HD?
[04:19] <Jim_Raynor> anyone knows how can i get podcast from itunes?
[04:19] <Wee> rdw200169, yes.. but that doesn't allow me to draw a triangle for selection (I don't want to ss the whole screen)
[04:19] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, just trying to give you ideas.
[04:19] <Wee> s/triangle/rectangle
[04:19] <RussM> trwww, But you want to end up at a bash prompt, right?
[04:19] <rakudave> iShock: wubi, vmware will slow things down considerably
[04:20] <iShock> rakudave, how so
[04:20] <trwww> yep... in the directory /usr/prod
[04:20] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: no, I burned it from my roommate's computer because my Windows was having a stack of problems.  I assume one of these is involved in it's inability to read burned discs, which it used to do just fine
[04:20] <rdw200169> Wee, well, the old windows rules apply, try Alt + Print Screen
[04:20] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  I did find this how to set it command prompt
[04:20] <rdw200169> Wee, that gets the active window instead of the whole desktop
[04:20] <Wee> rdw200169, that captures the focused window - I would prefer capturing a focused area as selected by designating a certain area myself with some sort of a selection tool
[04:20] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  Manage Time in Ubuntu Through Command Line « Code Ghar <http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/manage-time-in-ubuntu-through-command-line/>
[04:20] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: but, that's not that big of a problem, I can live with the partitions if I have to, and ubuntu is working fine.  I just wanted to get rid of it if I could
[04:20] <rakudave> iShock: it takes alot of comuting power to emulate a virtual pc plus the host system, so there won't be too much left for ubuntu itself
[04:21] <rdw200169> Wee, you're making this really difficult!... you can use f-spot for simple picture editing
[04:21] <ammagendut> how to open the source list and replace the original source?
[04:21] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, try installing from a USB drive? 8.10 has a neat little program that will create a liveusb stick. The same program can be installed from 8.04.
[04:21] <Wee> rdw200169, ..actually, this is for my very irritated computer-illeterate mate, who insists on getting that functionality. sorry ;\
[04:22] <rdw200169> Wee, i don't even think windows can do that, but i don't know
[04:22] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, it is under System:Administration
[04:22] <Zencyde> Ack..shit. Disabling Compiz and reenabling it disabled all of my settings.
[04:22] <[PRO]Lifixs> DarkSmurf - It was a button on the panel
[04:22] <rainbowinfinity> okay, so if no one can help me edit the settings for folding at home, can you help me uninstall it...i'll just run it on ps3
[04:22] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: I have not tried that yet, but I was looking into getting one so I could.  Right now, my only flash drive is filled up with homework stuff that I need to transfer over
[04:22] <Wee> rdw200169, oh.. he SHOWED me the program on windows that could do it.. he simply hits the screenshot button.. and after a few seconds his mouse cursor turns into a selection tool.. he selects it, and it's on the clipboard..
[04:22] <Titan8990> Zencyde, yep, but supossidly there is a on-off button you can get for it that will not do that
[04:22] <rakudave> ammagendut: system--admin--sources or in a terminal "sudo gedit /etc/atp/sources.list"
[04:23] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  I did find a way to set it through prompt-- http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/manage-time-in-ubuntu-through-command-line/
[04:23] <Zencyde> Christ.. and I had it perfectly set up.
[04:23] <Titan8990> Zencyde, I always just used seperate users for compiz and no compiz
[04:23] <Zencyde> :(
[04:23] <Zencyde> Bleh..
[04:23] <Zencyde> This pisses me off.
[04:23] <Zencyde> I swear, I spent an hour setting it.
[04:23] <Titan8990> Zencyde, also, if you do:   metacity --replace
[04:23] <darksmurf> [PRO]Lifixs, hmm. try looking at gksu, gksudo ?
[04:23] <ammagendut> thanks rakudave
[04:23] <Titan8990> Zencyde, to turn off compiz instead of using the gnome GUI it may save your settings....
[04:23] <Zencyde> Haha, yeah. :( I just used what the person earlier said. I shouldn't have listened, though. I knew the problem wasn't with Compiz...
[04:23] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  I don't have that issue -- I use compiz-switch to turn compiz on and off and it saves settings always for me
[04:24] <Baatti> How can I mount my cellphone (LG3500) as a volume, and not have Ubuntu auto-detect it as a Broadband connection?
[04:24] <RussM> trwww, Make a quick script file up... call it "myscript", put ". ~/.bashrc; cd /usr/prod" in it. Then run "screen bash --init-file myscript"
[04:24] <n1ghtcrwler> But the other problem, the one I'm actually more concerned about, is this: My wireless receiver won't turn on.  This is a Gateway, and instead of having a nice switch I have to hit the function key+F2.  But the ubuntu doesn't appear to recognize this command
[04:24] <redvamp128> Zencyde:  I was only going by what you gave me about the benchmark starting-- when you goto set time
[04:24] <rdw200169> Wee, perhaps you should tell your very-irritated friend to do the same thing he did on windows to find the app, use google: https://launchpad.net/shutter
[04:24] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, try installing aircraft manager
[04:24] <ammagendut> rakudave: my source list is empty, how can fullfill it?
[04:25] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: alright, cool.  Is that in the Add/Remove Programs list, or should I look for it online?
[04:25] <Titan8990> ammagendut, ask for someones here....
[04:25] <ammagendut> i want to insert new source but i found error like this sudo wget http://blog.myfenris.net/files/myoss/ubuntu/mmu.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mmu.list
[04:25] <RussM> trwww, screen will run the command "bash", bash will read myscript as its init-file, causing it to run the normal startup and then cd into the target directory, voila
[04:25] <rakudave> ammagendut: just add the line of a repository you want to add, such as "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main"
[04:25] <Wee> rdw200169, I'll tell him to apt-get it, hopefully it's a good solution. thank you for the time :)
[04:25] <darksmurf> n1ghtcrwler, I would look in the synaptic package manager. It has a larger list than Add/Remove
[04:26] <n1ghtcrwler> darksmurf: alright, cool.  I'll check that out.
[04:26] <Zencyde> Haha, yeah. I guess I should have been more specific, first. Thanks for the advice on where to find those config files.  I may want another one that sits at /usr/stage.
[04:26] <rdw200169> Wee, it won't be in the repo's, he has to use the PPA's, check the link i gave you, all the instructions are there pertaining to its usage and installation
[04:27] <RussM> trwww, You'd need a different "myscript" for each target directory.
[04:27] <Jim_Raynor> i guess that nobody knows, then...
[04:27] <Wee> rdw200169, pardon my ignorance, what's PPA?
[04:28] <rdw200169> Wee, personal repositories hosted on launchpad, you add the personal repo to apt, and then it will update correctly, etc...
[04:29] <Zencyde> Can I get the current time from anyone using NTP?
[04:29] <RussM> trwww, to simplify, you could make a shell alias or a script file up that runs screen with the appropriate arguments.
[04:29] <ashlessburn> jim_raynor
[04:29] <ashlessburn> what is ur question
[04:29] <Jim_Raynor> anyone knows how can i get podcast from itunes?
[04:29] <learning> jim raynor? starcraft?
[04:29] <ashlessburn> using?
[04:29] <cirkit> I've installed mysql but it is missing from /usr/bin. I 'grep'd for the mysql bin file on the system and it could not be found. Any ideas how to retrieve the binary even after re-installing mysql through apt-get / source ?
[04:29] <learning> forget the meaning of the name..
[04:29] <Titan8990> learning, lol im sure
[04:29] <Jim_Raynor> erm... Ubuntu?
[04:29] <RussM> trwww, I have some aliases for starting screen up with particular ssh commands, etc.
[04:29] <Wee> rdw200169, alright, I'll see what I can do (I'll have to do it for him ;\) thanks for you help and time! good night
[04:29] <Zencyde> No one here is using NTP? You're kidding...
[04:30] <IntuitiveNipple> cirkit: try "which mysql"
[04:30] <mzz> cirkit: wild guess: you installed the daemon but not the client
[04:30] <rdw200169> Wee, well, i tried it, and it works very well; easy too
[04:30] <ashlessburn> .04 or 8.10no duh ...but what type of ubuntu ...32 bit 64 bit....8/
[04:30] <rainbowinfinity> can anyone help me uninstall folding@home
[04:30] <mzz> Zencyde: does openntpd count?
[04:31] <Zencyde> Close enough, mzz. :)
[04:31] <Jim_Raynor> Intrepid x86
[04:31] <ashlessburn> thank you
[04:31] <ashlessburn> one sec
[04:31] <Wee> rdw200169, fantastic, great to hear :) thanks again
[04:31] <kert> Hi  i have a  problem with network , please  read  it here  http://pastebin.com/m3b8771ec   and give me suggestions  or  help...? I am using Ubuntu 8.10
[04:31] <ashlessburn> i tunes is a apple based app right?
[04:31] <mzz> ashlessburn: yes (like the majority of iBlah apps)
[04:31] <ashlessburn> theyhavnt came for supprt for the 2.6 kernel yet
[04:31] <trwww> RussM: very clean. nice. RussM++
[04:31] <linxuz3r> anyone a kde user here?
[04:32] <Zencyde> Pst, mzz. Post your current time? :o Pretty please? :)
[04:32] <Flannel> !anyone | linxuz3r
[04:32] <IndyGunFreak> /msg ubottu kde
[04:32] <mzz> Thu Feb 12 04:32:13 UTC 2009
[04:32] <Flannel> Zencyde: This really isn't the place for that.
[04:32] <sagredo> since I updated to 8.10 expose crashes compizfusion
[04:32] <Zencyde> Awesome. Thanks. :)
[04:32] <sagredo> what gives!!!
[04:32] <mzz> Zencyde: that ^^^ was /exec -o date -u
[04:32] <linxuz3r>  i am at kde4 how do i change the look of the taskbar
[04:32] <Zencyde> Haha, I just wanted to confirm that my NTP settings were working correctly. :)
[04:33] <mzz> Zencyde: (I missed the question other than that you wanted someone with ntp installed...)
[04:33] <ashlessburn> jim u there?
[04:33] <Zencyde> Ah, that's fine. All is well now. I guess it's time to idle and prepare for my physics test tomorrow...
[04:34] <ashlessburn> jim_raynor are u there
[04:34] <Jim_Raynor> yes
[04:34] <ashlessburn> pri me
[04:34] <Jim_Raynor> still waiting
[04:34] <mzz> trwww, RussM: I'd prefer the bash equivalent to "python -i -c 'insert code here'", but I don't know if it has that
[04:34] <ashlessburn> mzz do me a favor send me a msg
[04:34] <RORgasm> guys what is kvm?
[04:34] <Flannel> !kvm | RORgasm
[04:35] <RORgasm> is it similar to virtual box or vmware server?
[04:35] <RORgasm> i've used both virtualbox and vmware server
[04:35] <mzz> RORgasm: yes, but iirc kvm just does linux on linux currently
[04:35] <ashlessburn> titan u as well my irc just took a dump
[04:35] <mzz> RORgasm: oh, also freebsd apparently
[04:35] <RORgasm> wait what?
[04:35] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Reverend Lovejoy
[04:35] <mzz> RORgasm: ignore me, I'm full of crap
[04:35] <linxuz3r>  i am at kde4 how do i change the look of the taskbar????????????????????????????????
[04:35] <mzz> RORgasm: read the wikipedia page instead
[04:35] <linxuz3r> sorry
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> RORgasm: Similar, but often faster. It is based on QEMU but for x86/x86_64 only, and runs as many instructions as possible on the processor itself without emulation
[04:36] <bazgee3> Everyone check out my new forum!  I use it routinely for Linux and Windows
[04:36] <RORgasm> IntuitiveNipple, so i can run windows on KVM instead of virtualbox? it will porbably run better on KVM??
[04:37] <mzz> IntuitiveNipple: and you can windows as guest on a host without native virtualization support in the cpu?
[04:37] <IntuitiveNipple> RORgasm: XP runs pretty good in my experience
[04:37] <rakudave> !kde | linxuz3r
[04:37] <luddite> hi - i am running off a usb install. 8.10. and on my gf's ASUS lappy. The Fn key is permanently on making typing hell. How do i remove this. [h5 - 5 a0 r4nn5ng 6ff a 4sb 5nsta33. and 6n 0y gf's ASS 3a--y] <- Thats when i type without hold5ng the Fn key on.
[04:37] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ^ Anyone happen to know how to fix that by any chance? :/
[04:37] <IntuitiveNipple> mzz: No, KVM uses the hardware VT support in Intel/AMD CPUs
[04:37] <mzz> drat
[04:37] <mzz> I *knew* there was a reason I wasn't using it
[04:37] <ashlessburn> asus what? for one being a asus eng i can help ypu
[04:37] <RORgasm> IntuitiveNipple, how much better do u think xp will run than on virtual box?
[04:37] <marca311> bazgee3: I don't believe you are allowed to advertise here
[04:37] <IntuitiveNipple> mzz: Without that it is just like running QEMU
[04:38] <IntuitiveNipple> RORgasm: Not having used virtualBox I couldn't say.
[04:38] <luddite> ASUS F5Z series
[04:38] <rakudave> luddite: is NumLock enabled? (Fn+F11 or similar)
[04:38] <luddite> checking
[04:38] <mzz> RORgasm: recommend you just try it (for your workload)
[04:39] <jojo1224> hey
[04:39] <luddite> rakudave - OMFG - yes it was enabled
[04:39] <IntuitiveNipple> RORgasm: I know one thing, over the weekend I installed kvm-83 in an Ubuntu Jaunty live-CD session, and then ran the live-CD inside kvm too, and the virtual machine felt fast than the host!
[04:39] <rakudave> luddite: :)
[04:39] <luddite> its perfect now
[04:39]  * luddite slaps self in face
[04:39] <wikkedfin> lol
[04:39] <luddite> rakudave++
[04:40] <luddite> now i can log out of gnome and get back into fluxbox where i belong
[04:40] <jojo1224> what would be the command to burn an iso in ubuntu with burn (http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/burn)
[04:40] <ashlessburn> lol are u serious....o lord
[04:41] <learning> luddites.. you see the inwo ccg?
[04:41] <jojo1224> ashlessburn: are you talking to me or someone else?
[04:41] <ashlessburn> r
[04:41] <ashlessburn> jojo what ur issue priv me
[04:41]  * YankDownUnder wonders...
[04:42] <rakudave> indeed...
[04:43] <learning> have yet to look at the expansion sets..
[04:43] <learning> think ya could attempt to explain a few things?
[04:44] <rakudave> !ask | learning
[04:44] <gralco> where do i get a x-fi sound card driver for sound capture
[04:44] <learning> thoughts on condor movie?
[04:45] <Titan8990> !soundblaster | gralco
[04:46] <learning> olhp? noticed some of those guys knew more about inwo than anyone
[04:46] <adante> hi guys where does cron log to? i can't see anything in /var/log
[04:47] <mcnellis> My computer doesn't detect either harddrive if I have two plugged in, ergo I can only plug one in at a time. Is there some thing in the BIOS that could preventing both on the same IDE controller?
[04:47] <goodmami> is it possible to suspend without logging out?
[04:47] <rakudave> adante: i think they are "mailed" to you, type "mail" in a terminal
[04:47] <adante> rakudave: ah i don't have mail installed :3
[04:48] <Titan8990> adante, cron mails you or you can specify log
[04:48] <mzz> (or configure your favorite mail client to read that mail spool, after figuring out where it lives)
[04:48] <U-b-u-n-t-u> are tor related issues supported here?
[04:48] <Titan8990> adante, you can do:    croncommand > /var/log/logfile
[04:48] <mzz> U-b-u-n-t-u: only if they're also somehow ubuntu-related :)
[04:48] <rakudave> adante: then i don't know ^^
[04:48] <Titan8990> adante, and some commands might already have logging functions built in, like rsync
[04:48] <U-b-u-n-t-u> ok mzz  I had some issues with tor before and I am not sure why I am going to give it another go
[04:48] <U-b-u-n-t-u> see what happens
[04:49] <adante> Titan8990: ok thanks - i don't need to restart/recycle/reload cron after editing crontab do i?
[04:49] <Titan8990> adante, no
[04:49] <IntuitiveNipple> mcnellis: Two drives on one IDE controller channel require one to be jumpered MASTER and the other SLAVE, or else for both to be set to CS (CABLE SELECT) with a suitable cable.
[04:49] <learning> anyone got somethin on jack?
[04:50] <mcnellis> Yeah they're both set cable select .. I  think I'll just try putting them on different controllers
[04:50] <mcnellis> b/c when on the same controller at least, neither hdd is detected
[04:50] <IntuitiveNipple> mcnellis: The cable isn't correct then.  Is it ubuntu-related?
[04:52] <Huufarted2> Is there a way to list the currently installed libs?
[04:53] <learning> relatively... it is in everything
[04:54] <mzz> either I'm confused or you're in the wrong channel
[04:54] <learning> http://goodjack.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talkinfo agent/politician/guardian/satanist/elect ppl speech
[04:54] <ari_stress> hi i notice that logrotate.conf is weekly. if i change it into monthly now, when will the next rotation? on march 1st, or march 12th?
[04:54] <mzz> and now I'm pretty sure it's the latter
[04:55] <Huufarted> Anybody know if libdrm is installed by defaullt in Intrepid?
[04:55] <Huufarted> default*
[04:55] <mzz> 99% sure that's a "yes"
[04:55] <mzz> that's just the .so though, you'll probably need the corresponding -devel package to compile against it
[04:55] <mzz> Huufarted: ^^^
[04:56]  * MoLoot giggles @ Huufarted's nick.
[04:56] <ashlessburn> it is a yes
[04:56] <ashlessburn> mzz
[04:56] <Huufarted> mzz, sorry for the noob questions, but what do you mean need  the corresponding -devel?
[04:56] <lockd> only to compile against libdrm, not to build say nVidia's kernel modules
[04:56] <Huufarted> Thanks, MoLoot.  :)  It's just there to make people laugh
[04:57] <trygg> hm, when trying to ./configure gnome do 0.8 it says i dont have glib 2 and gtk+ 2.0 ?
[04:57] <trygg> i cant even apt-get them
[04:57] <mzz> Huufarted: what are you actually trying to do?
[04:57] <Huufarted> Install Intel's linux 945 chip graphics drivers.
[04:57] <mzz> trygg: you have them, but you probably don't have their corresponding -devel packages
[04:57] <Huufarted> Been working with Ubuntu for only a few days.
[04:57] <trygg> hm. how do i fix that?
[04:57] <lstarnes> trygg: did you install libglib2.0-dev and libgtk2.0-dev ?
[04:58] <mzz> ah, -dev, not -devel. My bad.
[04:58] <trygg> "No package 'gtk+-2.0' found" for example
[04:58] <trwww> mzz, RussM: 'screen -t prod1 1 bash --init-file /home/me/bin/myscript' works great.
[04:58] <trwww> but theres one more thing I cant figure out.
[04:58] <trwww> I need to ssh to another server and do the same thing. I tried:
[04:58] <trwww> screen -t prod2 2 ssh prod2; bash --init-file /home/me/bin/myscript
[04:58] <trwww> does ssh have an equivalent of bash's --init-file?
[04:58] <trygg> oh, i need those too. alright.
[04:58] <Huufarted> mzz, going off of intellinuxgraphics.org and trying to install them.  Following the instructs step by step isn't going too far for me yet.  haha
[04:58] <mzz> trwww: try without the ";"
[04:59] <mzz> Huufarted: I'd expect that driver to be packaged. Do you really need a newer version than what's packaged?
[04:59] <mzz> trwww: (ssh can take a command, which can be bash)
[04:59] <Huufarted> mzz, by packaged you mean part of the intrepid install?
[04:59] <mzz> Huufarted: yes
[05:00] <RussM> trwww, You probably need a copy of "myscript" on the remote computer, though.
[05:00] <trwww> mzz: logs me in to prod2 but hangs after it accepts the password
[05:00] <Huufarted> ah, ok.  I figured they were generic ones.  I'll leave well enough alone, then.
[05:00] <trwww> yeah I put it there
[05:00] <mzz> Huufarted: well, I really mean "in one of ubuntu's repositories", but in this case that package would be installed by default too.
[05:00] <mzz> trwww: iirc you also need a -t on the ssh command.
[05:00] <U-b-u-n-t-u> I installed tor from the synaptic package manager and installed the tor plugin from foxfire and it doesnt work and I dont see a readme file etc suggestions?
[05:00]  * mzz checks
[05:00] <Luke_> did anyone else lose all sound with some recent package updates?
[05:00] <Luke_> i have no sound
[05:01] <mzz> trwww: yep, insert a -t somewhere between "ssh" and the hostname.
[05:01] <poet> can anyone help me figure out why plug and play isn't working, but the devices are recognized if I plug them in before boot?
[05:01] <lockd> Luke_: sound.. got screwed up a bit for me
[05:01] <poet> also, nothing pops up on lsusb
[05:01] <Huufarted> poet, what kind of device?
[05:01] <wehttamb> how well would ubuntu run on a 24" imac?
[05:01] <IntuitiveNipple> poet: Sounds like a udev issue
[05:01] <lockd> Pidgin appears to have lost OSS support
[05:01] <carlos> hola
[05:01] <poet> Huufarted: a range, usb mouse, usb key, external harddrive
[05:01] <ashlessburn> really when that happen
[05:01] <Luke_> lockd: how did you fix it?
[05:01] <carlos> una pregunta
[05:01] <mzz> poet: what are you plugging them into?
[05:02] <mzz> poet: any chance it's a hub that for some reason got turned off?
[05:02] <poet> mzz: a usb port?
[05:02] <lockd> Luke_: I didn't lose sound completely
[05:02] <Luke_> lockd: mine is completely gone
[05:02] <ashlessburn> i use pidgin for all apps its suppoerted fro my work and i havnt had any issues
[05:02] <Guest75025> puedo actualizar mi ubuntu 8.10 a una mas reciente?????????????????}
[05:02] <Luke_> anyone else lose all sound recently?
[05:02] <poet> actually I just discovered something.  if I try 'sudo lsusb' the device pops up?
[05:02] <mzz> poet: I don't quite remember how to check for power state, but there's a way to disable usb devices, including hubs without any active devices connected to them. I wonder if that's breaking stuff (and manually powering the hubs back up would help)
[05:03] <IntuitiveNipple> !es | Guest75025
[05:03] <mzz> poet: oh, then I was probably wrong
[05:03] <lockd> ashlessburn: I mean for audio I had to set it to "Command: ossplay"
[05:03] <trygg> now it worked, wonderful.
[05:03] <poet> mzz: let me see if it's reproducable
[05:03] <linxuz3r> how do i disable the machine beeping in ubuntu gnome?
[05:03] <trygg> kind of a wierd question, but whats the flashiest audio player?
[05:03] <mzz> urgh
[05:03] <mzz> flashy--
[05:04] <IntuitiveNipple> aplay :p
[05:04] <trygg> yeah, just want something to impress people with :D
[05:04] <sloopy> how do i install the madwifi drivers in 8.10?
[05:04] <Titan8990> linxuz3r, if you are talking about the terminal you can disable it in it's settings
[05:04] <trwww> thanks mzz and RussM. That is so cool. Really nice setup. thanks a million.
[05:04] <lockd> hmm guess it was a fluke, pidgin sounds works now
[05:04] <trygg> just got a 8800gts so i've gotten compiz and stuff, pretty nice.
[05:04] <scrolls> sloppy: http://madwifi.org/Downloads/0.Howto.Install.Madwifi.txt
[05:04] <Titan8990> linxuz3r, like edit -> prefrences
[05:05] <learning> anyone hook eliza into pidgin?
[05:05] <ashlessburn> hmm have u ran the update dkpg
[05:05] <Luke_> anyone know what the deal is with sound?
[05:05] <sloopy> scrolls, in 8.04 there was a way that didnt require compiling them...
[05:06] <linxuz3r> how do i change the terminal sound?
[05:06] <lockd> Luke_: you could always try alternate sound daemons
[05:06] <poet> mzz: it is in fact reproducable.  Although sometimes after I plug in a device and type 'sudo lsusb', it hangs.  But for several types of usb devices, it makes ubuntu recognize them
[05:06] <mzz> trwww: yep, screen is nice, although I use it differently (I usually have exactly one screen session running per host and rarely nest them)
[05:06] <ashlessburn> o u are correct lockd
[05:06] <lockd> Luke_: pulseaudio has caused a bunch of people issues
[05:07] <ashlessburn> read the entire thing lol
[05:07] <mzz> poet: weird! anything interesting happening in dmesg right before or after the lsusb?
[05:07] <scrolls> sloppy: sadly im new to ubuntu and linux in general so im not familiar with older versions. you can still make it work in 8.10 no?
[05:07] <Luke_> lockd: when did it start causing issues? it's been fine for me until just now
[05:08] <IntuitiveNipple> trygg: Have you looked at audacious?
[05:08] <lockd> Luke_: daemon crashed a lot for me when I used it
[05:08] <poet> mzz: I think, while lsusb is hanging it produces this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117127/
[05:08] <Titan8990> sloopy, have you checked the restricted driver manager?
[05:08] <Luke_> lockd: its still running
[05:08] <mzz> poet: that's not a happy message at all
[05:08] <sloopy> scrolls, restricted manager installs the ath5k driver which i cant use
[05:09] <sloopy> Titan8990, see my last msg
[05:09] <lockd> Luke_: I would disable it and try something in ALSA to make sure that even works
[05:09] <mzz> poet: I don't know enough about usb to really debug this (although I might end up learning more about it in the future to debug a problem of my own...)
[05:09] <scrolls> sloppy, so youre SOL then?
[05:09] <Luke_> lockd: trying now
[05:09]  * mzz glares at the buggy usb in the ancient laptop next to him
[05:09] <poet> mzz: that particular device I was trying to use was an external harddrive.  after lsusb stops hanging, the hard drive is recognized and dmesg has this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117128/
[05:09] <trygg> IntuitiveNipple: not really what im looking for. windows have a great player named helium
[05:09] <scrolls> sloopy my bad
[05:09] <sloopy> scrolls, no i will just have to compile them... didnt want to but if i must...
[05:09] <Titan8990> sloopy, compiling the madwifi drivers are pretty easy....
[05:09] <poet> mzz: ok :-) thanks for trying though
[05:09] <scrolls> lol
[05:09] <Luke_> lockd: still no sound with alsa
[05:10] <mzz> poet: all that "busy inodes on changed media" makes me suspect it's detected, automounted, then re-detected or something like that.
[05:10] <trygg> http://www.helium-music-manager.com/ - nothing like that available?
[05:10] <Titan8990> sloopy, it may be in the repositories, but I was get the source
[05:10] <sloopy> Titan8990, yes it is, but if there is a place with precompiled modules, i dont need to recompile on new version...
[05:10] <poet> mzz: yeah something weird must be going on
[05:10] <Titan8990> !madwifi | sloopy
[05:11] <lockd> Luke_: you're running from the command line to make sure it's not blocking?
[05:11] <sloopy> Titan8990, i just hope the day the ath5k driver supporting ap mode will come soon :')
[05:11] <mzz> trygg: amarok seems to be popular, although I have no idea if it's sufficiently flashy (I don't really do kde-based apps)
[05:11] <Titan8990> sloopy, and injection patch
[05:11] <lockd> you can always run Winamp in wine if you need pure flashiness
[05:11] <Luke_> lockd: running what from the command line to make sure whats not blocking?
[05:12] <ashlessburn> titan dont forget dome madwifi doesnt work wpa duppliant if that doesnt work using the ndigtk is the only option
[05:12] <scrolls> XMMS is a good one, its like winamp. runs fast and strong
[05:12] <ashlessburn> for unex
[05:12] <poet> what's the most portable filesystem to put on an external harddrive?
[05:12] <lockd> Luke_: alsaplayer, or whatever
[05:13] <trygg> damn. maybe have to wine helium then :)
[05:13] <scrolls> ashlessburn: im using ubuntu 8.10
[05:13] <Luke_> lockd: i think it may be a gstreamer issue? but flash doesn't work either
[05:13] <lockd> hey, anyone know of an XMMS plugin or similar which lets you mess around with mixing from other apps?
[05:13] <ashlessburn> scrolls priv me
[05:13] <lockd> Luke_: check to see if alsaplayer works -without- pulseaudio running
[05:14] <areay> how do i setup /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 with a static ip? it works fine with dhcp but static won't work...
[05:14] <mzz> poet: still fat32 imho
[05:14] <ammagendut> hi there
[05:15] <ammagendut> how can i fix this : Could not download all repository indexes
[05:15] <Titan8990> areay, you also have to edit /etc/resolv.conf
[05:15] <mzz> poet: I'd consider ntfs for a larger drive
[05:15] <poet> mzz: how is that for large filesystems?
[05:15] <sloopy> Titan8990, heh that page needs some updating and some false info removed...
[05:15] <mzz> heh
[05:15] <poet> ah
[05:15] <areay> Titan8990, I did, then restarted... you just put each nameserver on a new line, right?
[05:15] <mzz> poet: (windows can obviously handle ntfs, recent-ish linux can handle it pretty well using ntfs-3g, iirc mac can use ntfs-3g too but I'm not sure)
[05:15] <Titan8990> areay, yes
[05:16] <areay> Titan8990, yeah it didn't work :( i've tried the ip of my router and opendns and i get nada... i can ping any external ip i want that's how i know it's the dns... after the restart my resolv.conf remained intact so nothing is messing with it...
[05:16] <mzz> poet: linux, mac, a bunch of bsds and others, apparently. That driver hasn't let me down yet.
[05:16] <Luke_> lockd: no go with alsa and no pulseaudio
[05:17] <poet> mzz: yeah, that seems like the way to go
[05:17] <Huufarted> I changed my password in Linux, now pam_keyring won't take my password (new or old).  Does this mean I'm going to have to recompile pam_keyring?
[05:17] <Titan8990> areay, pastebin your resolv.conf
[05:17] <lockd> Luke_: was there a kernel update?
[05:17] <mzz> poet: it really boils down to it being easier to get all the others to handle ntfs than it is to get windows to handle something it doesn't handle natively
[05:17] <Luke_> no
[05:18] <Luke_> not that i noticed in correlation with the sound loss
[05:18] <poet> mzz:  yeah, there are more people hacking to support ntfs on linux/bsd than there are people trying to support ext3 on windows :-p
[05:18] <lockd> Luke_: sometimes I could reboot and it would just work
[05:18] <mzz> poet: you can actually do ext3 on windows by installing a driver-style thing, but I haven't tried that, I think.
[05:18] <Luke_> lockd: rebooted a ton already =/
[05:18] <Luke_> dude this sucks
[05:18] <Luke_> no sound wtf
[05:18] <areay> Titan8990, i think i know where i went wrong and it's really stupid... i'll be back in like 2mins if i need more help; if not thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)]
[05:18] <Huufarted> question:  how do I get pam_keyring to recognize a new Linux password once I change it?
[05:19] <Titan8990> areay, you dont have to reboot
[05:19] <mzz> poet: but I wouldn't feel like installing that on other people's system every time I had to use the external drive there
[05:19] <sloopy> mzz, i have used the ext2 IFS driver in windows extensively works well with no probs
[05:19] <Titan8990> areay, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:19] <mzz> sloopy: ah, thanks for the data point :)
[05:19] <areay> Titan8990, thanks bro
[05:19] <ammagendut> where is ubuntu hassle
[05:19] <Titan8990> areay, gl
[05:19] <ammagendut> i want to ask about source.list
[05:19] <poet> mzz: yeah, definitly not
[05:19] <sloopy> mzz, np, i like it when something works in windows, gives me hope ;')
[05:19] <Titan8990> !ask | ammagendut
[05:20] <lockd> Luke_: you could always try a different sound system, but the choices are real slim
[05:20] <mzz> Luke_: or you can try with no sound system (just dmix)
[05:20] <happyface_0> Is there a way to adjust the volume when I use loopback/monitor for a line-in device?
[05:20] <lockd> Luke_: what sound card do you have?
[05:22] <Huufarted> Question for everybody:  I changed my Linux login password.  pam_keyring now insists my password is wrong.  I have since changed my password back to the initial one, but how do I get pam_keyring to let me change my pw in the future?
[05:22] <ammagendut> how i can fix this ? 'E:Type '--2009-02-12' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mmu.list, E:The list of sources could not be read.'
[05:22] <Titan8990> happyface_0, try:  alsamixer       from the terminal
[05:23] <trygg> what should i do if i want to download something and i get "repositories: deb http://whatever" ?
[05:23] <rww> ammagendut: copy your sources.list file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and give us a link to the pastebin page it creates
[05:23] <trygg> shall i input it somewhere or is it a command?
[05:23] <happyface_0> Titan8990: adjusting the volume of anything there doesn't affect the volume of the loopback
[05:23] <trygg> i get/it says
[05:23] <rww> trygg: System> Administration > Software Sources > Third-Party Software > Add, paste it in.
[05:23] <trygg> ah
[05:24] <Titan8990> trygg, echo 'deb http://whatever NAME' >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:24] <Titan8990> happyface_0, wasn't aware
[05:24] <Titan8990> trygg, followed by:  sudo apt-get update
[05:24] <Titan8990> trygg, careful about what you add
[05:24] <trygg> alright, thanks
[05:25] <meshuggah> hi there
[05:25] <j03lar50n> usser ping
[05:25] <Luke_> lockd: i have an audigy value 2
[05:25] <areay> Titan8990, no luck... here's my resolv.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117131/ ...and my interfaces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117132/
[05:26] <WIGGMPk> Anyone have an issue with their screenlets not starting on the widget layer like the settings where configured for?
[05:26] <Titan8990> areay, did you add domain config and search config?
[05:27] <areay> Titan8990, nah... i copied it from the dhcp resolv.conf... i tried it without those though just in case and it still didn't work :(
[05:28] <meshuggah> how is debian compared to ubuntu ?
[05:28] <sloopy> meshuggah, old?
[05:29] <Titan8990> areay, they don't need to be there
[05:29] <Titan8990> areay, have you tried removing the nameserver line from interfaces?
[05:29] <areay> Titan8990, nope i'll try now if u want
[05:29] <Titan8990> areay, yes
[05:30] <areay> Titan8990, ok brb
[05:31] <lockd> Luke_: that's supposedly well supported with oss, unfortunately you'd have to build it from sources just to test
[05:31] <trygg> do there exist an equivalent to autohotkey? so you can script your own hotkeys
[05:31] <Digital7> sound is not working after hardy->intrepid upgrade - can't seem to get it to work with anything off google so far
[05:32] <Digital7> any input welcome
[05:32] <Titan8990> !alsa | Digital7
[05:32] <areay> Titan8990, no luck yet... there's a lot of stuff coming up when i restart the network if that's any help
[05:33] <Jaan|Perfect> is there any software/website, which collates my hardware information and retrieves me with info whether drivers are available
[05:33] <Titan8990> areay, pastebin it
[05:34] <Titan8990> Jaan|Perfect, you don't have to worry about that because they are kernel modules and updated with the update manager
[05:34] <Titan8990> Jaan|Perfect, including your restricted drivers
[05:34] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117138/
[05:35] <Titan8990> areay, lets see a:  ifconfig -a
[05:35] <areay> Titan8990, when i'm connected as static, yeah?
[05:35] <Titan8990> areay, the key in there was: failed to bring up eth0
[05:35] <asc> Could somebody suggest a replacement network manager that can actually connect via fricking ethernet?
[05:36] <areay> Titan8990, yeah it doesn't say that with dhcp
[05:36] <Titan8990> areay, yes
[05:36] <areay> Titan8990, ok brb
[05:36] <racecar56> help i wanted to dual boot ubuntu and winxp but my evil xp killed my grub D= and i thought there was a link in the startup message
[05:37] <Luke_> lockd: i doubt that i need all new softare to fix this. some setting is wrong. my sound has worked for years with alsa and then wrapped with pulseaudio
[05:37] <Digital7> Titan8990: i've exhausted most of the usefulness from that wiki entry. any other suggestions?
[05:37] <Titan8990> !grub | racecar56
[05:37] <racecar56> oh thanks
[05:37] <Titan8990> Digital7, did you reinstall the alsa drivers?
[05:37] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117139/
[05:37] <Digital7> Titan8990: to the best of my knowledge, yes..at least two packages relating to alsa
[05:38] <Titan8990> areay, try bring eth0 up with:  sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[05:38] <Titan8990> areay, and then: dig google.com
[05:38] <Titan8990> Digital7, was one of them kernel specific? using `uname -r`
[05:38] <Digital7> Titan8990: to be specific, i actually reinstalled alsa-base and alsa-utils, though i did not do alsa-drivers
[05:39] <ammagendut_> hi
[05:39] <ammagendut_> help me
[05:39] <Digital7> Titan8990: "sudo aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` libasound2"
[05:39] <areay> Titan8990, ok brb
[05:39] <Titan8990> Digital7, that is it
[05:39] <Digital7> Titan8990: that command was not fruitful in this case
[05:39] <Digital7> Titan8990: or series of packages, rather
[05:40] <Titan8990> Digital7, is it detected in the volume manager?
[05:41] <Digital7> Titan8990: alsamixer actually sees PulseAudio as the 'card'
[05:41] <ammagendut_> i want to replace the modified source list to the original one
[05:41] <Digital7> Titan8990: i didn't take notice of what was detected prior to the upgarde
[05:41] <Titan8990> Digital7, ehh, I don't have any experience with pulseaudio
[05:41] <Logikos> mib_12n8ik8s: i dont know if you were the one helping me before or not with the initramfs issue but the chkdsk /r apears to have worked, so thanks
[05:41] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117140/ that dig thing worked, but i couldn't ping google.com
[05:41] <lockd> Luke_: I have no idea what said option is, I just know a lot have trouble with it
[05:42] <Digital7> Titan8990: if i'm not mistaken, it should say my audio card here instead?
[05:42] <Digital7> Titan8990: i don't recall a generic 'pulseaudio' being listed in alsamixer before, though i could be mistaken
[05:43] <rww> ammagendut_: Just delete everything in the file, then go to System > Administration > Software Sources and add back the repositories and updates you want.
[05:43] <lockd> Digital7: if pulseaudio is running it will
[05:43] <J-_> I've installed PulseAudio in Hardy, was wonder if it's still possible to use ALSA still like the default installation?
[05:44] <ammagendut_> the exact command is sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list right?
[05:44] <rww> ammagendut_: gksudo, not sudo. Apart from that, yes
[05:44] <areay> Titan8990, in firefox i'm just getting connection refused, if that's any help
[05:45] <lockd> J-_: yeah. lots are having trouble with that now
[05:45] <ammagendut_> ok i got the list
[05:45] <Titan8990> areay, sudo apt-get remove --purge firestarter
[05:45] <lockd> J-_: of course, the app in question has to support alsa. not sure if gstreamer has the right plugins
[05:45] <racecar56> hey Titan8990 thanks for your help i was wondering where that link was hiding at
[05:45] <Digital7> lockd: do you know the shell name for ubuntu's default volume app?
[05:45] <racecar56> in fact that's the whole point of me joining
[05:46] <Titan8990> areay, then post the output of:   sudo iptables -l
[05:46] <lockd> Digital7: gnome-volume-control
[05:46] <areay> Titan8990, do i need to reconnect to do that or will iptables be the same regardless?
[05:46] <ammagendut_> rww: E: Type '--2009-02-12' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mmu.list
[05:46] <ammagendut_> what is that
[05:46] <ammagendut_> how i can fix that
[05:47] <rww> ammagendut_: that means you put something incorrect on line 1 in the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mmu.list
[05:47] <lockd> Digital7: use pavucontrol if you actually want to get some use out of pulse
[05:47] <ammagendut_> i want to delete that source list
[05:47] <carpii> i want to run lighttpd but im having problems with permissions.   It seems lighty wants to run as www-data, so it can write to /var/log/lighttpd, but then it cant read my php scripts from /home/carpii/web -- how to fix this please?
[05:47] <trygg> if my mouse wont work, how can i make a mouse press with the keyboard?
[05:47] <mzz> lockd: are you sure? Rumour has it nautilus is involved in automounting too (rumour being the README or the like that comes with recent gnome-volume-manager)
[05:47] <ammagendut_> and put the right source list
[05:48] <Overand> I have a system with a bunch of SATA drives on an add-on controller - it won't boot from them, no matter what.  (HAve been through the bios a ton, upgraded it even, etc) - they have a raid 5 set on them.  I have another, IDE drive I can put in the system.  Can I just put grub onto the IDE drive, and have it boot the others, or does grub require the BIOS to see them too?
[05:48] <lockd> mzz: gnome-volume-control, not manager
[05:48] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117142/
[05:48] <mzz> oh, sorry.
[05:48] <rww> ammagendut_: sudo rm -r /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ , then go to System > Administration > Software Sources and add the repositories you want.
[05:48] <mzz> as usual it'd help if I actually read what people said in here
[05:48] <Titan8990> areay, alright, try again
[05:48] <racecar56> who here has ubuntu only (not dualbooting anything)
[05:48] <areay> Titan8990, ok brb
[05:48] <asc> I need to install the binary driver from the nvidia site in ubuntu 8.10. After I install and run GDM it starts in low graphics mode. The nv driver is blacklisted and the restricted modules packages are removed.
[05:49] <lockd> racecar56: here, though I'm using virtualbox for a few things
[05:49] <tritium> racecar56: probably several.  Why?  Please don't take polls, ok?
[05:49] <racecar56> ok
[05:49] <tritium> racecar56: do you have a specific question?
[05:49] <mzz> racecar56: why do you ask? Just curious?
[05:49] <genii> Overand: Lilo and GRUB cannot boot from raid5
[05:50] <Titan8990> genii, intersting, what can?
[05:50] <Overand> genii: /boot is on a raid 1 set
[05:50] <piti_> GRUB gave me lots of problem yesterday ... with raid1
[05:50] <Overand> genii: this system worked fine when the drives and card were on another motherboard
[05:50] <racecar56> gtg now my xp is done installing on my pc and thanks u titan8990 for the link... i know what to do now... nooby windows for pwning my bootloader >:( ah at least its fixable
[05:50] <ari_stress> my 8.10 uses dhcp, why it doesn't update the dns record?
[05:50] <Overand> this is not a grub problem, this is a matter of the BIOS not even getting to grub
[05:50] <piti_> when I disconnect on drive it just refuse to boot from another one
[05:51] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117143/
[05:51] <Titan8990> genii, and is that all raid5 or just one type (eg - soft fake discrete)
[05:51] <mzz> racecar56: fwiw: dualboot with windows here, but recently switched to virtualbox for everything needing windows that isn't a game (which wasn't much to begin with)
[05:51] <genii> Overand: raid1 shuld be ok if you built initramfs with raid support for your running kernel
[05:51] <piti_> which defeat the purpose of having raid1 -_-"
[05:51] <ammagendut_> rww: wow.. it fix now
[05:51] <Overand> genii: this is a live, operational system, or *was* - on a previous motherboard.
[05:51] <Overand> It's the same SATA card, etc etc.  So, the question I asked was accurate.
[05:51] <Titan8990> areay, you have to bring up eth0 first.... also, bring down all interfaces that are not eth0 or l0
[05:51] <genii> Titan8990: softraid only
[05:52] <Titan8990> genii, thanks for the info
[05:52] <Logikos> i do this all the time in windows, but not sure how to do it with ubuntu .. if i want to blow it away and start over, but i want to backup specific program settings in windows i just copy the application data directory items i want to keep before i blow it away ... it apears as though ubuntu uses /home/username for this ... then in theory if i copy over the .directory's i want such as .mozilla-thunderbird .mozilla .eclipse etc
[05:52] <ashlessburn> raid 5 is the proper set up if u choose 0-1 u are asking for trouble
[05:52] <ashlessburn> what derver type are u running
[05:52] <areay> Titan8990, with sudo ifconfig eth0 up?
[05:52] <mzz> lockd: yes
[05:52] <mzz> err
[05:52] <Titan8990> areay, yes
[05:52] <mzz> Logikos: yes
[05:52] <genii> Overand: The drives in the array are at same exact designations as in previous box ? sda=sda in new box, etc?
[05:52] <areay> Titan8990, aiight brb
[05:53] <Overand> genii: yes, in theory, but GRUB isn't even booting
[05:53] <Overand> The system is hanging, basically no-boot-device.  I'm going to put a *fifth* - IDE - drive in
[05:53] <Overand> which sucks, because that will probably totally throw off all the drive letters
[05:53] <Overand> drive letters?  wow, DOS
[05:53] <lockd> well there are still letters
[05:53] <mzz> Logikos: (regular users can only write in their homedir and a handful other places like /tmp, so the vast majority of interesting settings *has* to be where you think they are)
[05:53] <Overand> lockd: aye
[05:53] <Overand> still
[05:54] <Overand> device names, not 'drive letters'
[05:54] <genii> Overand: Maybe you have a cd in one box and not in the other (or some other device on sata/ide which is not a hd)
[05:54] <carpii> i want to run lighttpd but im having problems with permissions.   It seems lighty wants to run as www-data, so it can write to /var/log/lighttpd, but then it cant read my php scripts from /home/carpii/web -- how to fix this please?
[05:54] <Logikos> mzz: thanks
[05:54] <Overand> genii: you're not understanding the problem
[05:54] <Overand> genii: the problem is not drive-order-issues
[05:54] <Overand> the probelm is that GRUB will not even come up
[05:54] <lockd> DOS uses letters to refer to partitions anyway
[05:54] <areay> Titan8990, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117144/
[05:54] <genii> Overand: If not reaching grub, then the drive with mbr is not being seen as primary to boot from
[05:54] <Overand> I'm not having trouble with grub, i'm having trouble with bios even trying to boot from the addin card PERIOD
[05:54] <Overand> yes
[05:54] <Overand> I know.  Hence my question - if I put in an extra drive on the onbaord IDE controller
[05:55] <Overand> Can I get *grub* - configured on that drive - to load the OS from the other drives?
[05:55] <genii> Overand: Yes
[05:55] <carpii> Titan, my drive mounting problems all became apparent a whole ago. Drive was fried :/
[05:55] <Overand> Or does grub require BIOS access to the devices
[05:55] <mzz> Overand: probably. The bios has to be able to access the drive.
[05:55] <Titan8990> areay, try:   sudo ifconfig eth0 up && sudo ifconfig pan0 down
[05:56] <lockd> carpii: similar thing happened here but not quite fried. shattered, completely
[05:56] <Overand> Hm.
[05:56] <areay> Titan8990, ok brb
[05:56] <Overand> Maybe I'll just install the OS on the extra drive
[05:56] <Overand> blleh
[05:56] <mzz> Overand: however if you can install grub there you can almost certainly put all of /boot/ there. As long as grub can see your kernel and initramfs the os will boot.
[05:56] <lockd> carpii: I don't think the 100 degree Celsius graphics card helped (but not sure if it did much to cause it)
[05:57] <carpii> hehe, im hoping my server doesnt have anything more than an old Cirrus Logic EGA
[05:57] <Overand> mzz: interesting idea, moving /boot to it
[05:57] <Overand> hmmm
[05:57] <hacker_kid> how can i find my kernel version?
[05:57] <trygg> what is the best dock program?
[05:57] <carpii> more /proc/version
[05:57] <genii> hacker_kid: uname -r
[05:57] <lockd> trygg: avant-window-navigator, if you have Compiz
[05:57] <mzz> Overand: that's what I'd do if the root filesystem is on anything unusual (a device the bios doesn't like or a raid/lvm/whatever grub can't handle)
[05:58] <hacker_kid> genii, ty
[05:58] <trygg> lockd: will try
[05:58] <KyleK> is there a virus scanner i can scan a windows drive from ubuntu?
[05:58] <lockd> is there an option for displaying running apps on the desktop in gnome-desktop?
[05:58] <mzz> KyleK: clamav possibly
[05:58] <genii> hacker_kid: np. carpii's method also works
[05:58] <areay> Titan8990, still no luck
[05:58] <rww> KyleK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus . I'd go with ClamAV.
[05:59] <Titan8990> areay, I'm stumped, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with your config, if no one else here has a suggestion, i would recommend to forums
[05:59] <linxuz3r> can you link themes in gnome so that the themes directory does not reside in your home folder?
[05:59] <ashlessburn> overland maybe u should check your priv msgs
[05:59] <areay> Titan8990, yeah it's pretty weird... i guess i could configure my router to always assign this machine with that ip
[06:00] <linxuz3r> please
[06:00] <linxuz3r> i dont wanna logout
[06:00] <carpii> linxuz, have a look in /usr/share maybe they can go in a directory there too
[06:00] <sloopy> areay, what problem are you having?
[06:01] <Gnea> linxuz3r: sure
[06:01] <lockd> why is AVG even listed in the antivirus list since it's just a demo and apparently the full version doesn't work?
[06:01] <lockd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus/Avg
[06:01] <rww> lockd: Because it can still detect viruses, which is better than nothing?
[06:01] <mzz> lockd: to warn you about the full version not working?: P
[06:01] <guest03482> hi folks...i would like to monitor a process (like httpd) and restart it automatically if it dies...which is better to use for this? an entry inittab or cron?  advantages of either?
[06:02] <Helen_McCall> I have an ati mobility radeon 9000. How do I get drivers for this in Hardy?
[06:02] <carpii> guest, you could look into monit, which willr estart services and also notify you
[06:02] <Titan8990> lockd, becuase it exists and us linux folk like to document things would be my guess
[06:02] <lockd> I guess, can still use remove if it tells you the file path
[06:02] <guest03482> carpii: thanks for suggestion
[06:02] <areay> sloopy i'm trying to get eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces to work with a static ip... it works with dhcp but not with static
[06:02] <Gnea> !ATI | Helen_McCall
[06:03] <Titan8990> lockd, people spend a lot of time getting things to work and then they like to share that knowledge...
[06:03] <sloopy> areay, have a pastebin of your /etc/interfaces ?
[06:03] <mzz> Helen_McCall: I don't know offhand how new that card is, but I recommend you don't blindly install the binary drivers. The open ones may work just fine.
[06:03] <areay> sloopy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/117132/
[06:03] <linxuz3r> Gnea: thanks it worked
[06:04] <ashlessburn> well obiuosly overrand did not want with his pc lol
[06:04] <Gnea> linxuz3r: cheers :)
[06:04] <areay> sloopy, i tried it without dns-nameservers too
[06:04] <Helen_McCall> how do i install open drivers?
[06:04] <areay> sloopy, i've also added the dns info to resolv.conf
[06:04] <mzz> Helen_McCall: you should already have those installed. What are you trying to do/fix?
[06:04] <sloopy> 254 is your gateway/router?
[06:04] <tritium> areay: dns-nameservers isn't a valid option.  nameserver info belongs in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:04] <Helen_McCall> The open drivers do not run compiz?
[06:05] <Titan8990> !blacklist | Helen_McCall
[06:05]  * mzz looks up what a mobility 9000 actually is
[06:05] <Gnea> lockd: it's basically a here-it-is-now-figur-it-out-for-yourself kind of deal
[06:05] <areay> tritium, i've tried it without that too... and i put the info in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:05] <Titan8990> Helen_McCall, however, no need to uninstall them becuase the driver that is loaded is defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:05] <xMopx> Is anyone familiar with Deadmini? The root password it claims is wrong ¬.¬
[06:05] <tritium> areay: please pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf
[06:06] <lockd> Helen_McCall: they probably will, but might take a decade to render a frame
[06:06] <Gnea> Helen_McCall: it depends on how your card is supported. that URL that I had ubottu give you should shed some light on the issue
[06:06] <kebomix> any body here took LPI certificate ?
[06:06] <mzz> heh
[06:06] <areay> tritium: /etc/resolv.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117145/
[06:06] <tritium> xMopx: please stay on topic (ubuntu support)
[06:06] <mzz> Helen_McCall: fglrx (the binary drivers you were linked to) actually don't support that card, I'm pretty sure
[06:07] <xMopx> Ah, sorry.
[06:07] <Gnea> mzz: have you checked that?
[06:07] <mzz> Helen_McCall: afaik compiz should run, but it may not perform acceptably and some plugins won't work.
[06:07] <Helen_McCall> ok
[06:07] <mzz> Gnea: yes?
[06:07] <Mooqball> I am having trouble getting connecting through the WEP security. How do can I figure out the correct settings -- open or shared key? ASCII/Hexidecimal/passphrase? Usually winbloze just wants the key
[06:07] <Overand> mzz: this is actually a flash card that i'm using for /boot
[06:07] <Logikos> is there a way to make it so that a secondary hdd is always mounted on boot ... at present i have 2 seperate partitions from my root, and in ubuntu they will auto mount when i click places and click on them and thats great ... but i want to set it up so that they auto mount on boot because i plan to have a program in ubuntu access paths on those drives regularly
[06:07] <Overand> it's booting =]
[06:07] <sloopy> areay, this is to a console type router?
[06:07] <Helen_McCall> when i try to enable desktop effects, it just says it cant
[06:07] <Overand> IT BOOTED!!!
[06:07] <Helen_McCall> under the appearence menu
[06:07] <Overand> holy crap
[06:08] <Overand> =]
[06:08] <Gnea> mzz: no, it's a yes. or a no. question, not a yes? or a no? question
[06:08] <Overand> Now my 2.25 tb raid 5 array is on a P4 2.8 instead of a pentium 3 500, heh
[06:08] <Overand> woo!
[06:08] <Gnea> Helen_McCall: are you using fglrx at the moment?
[06:08] <mzz> Gnea: I should've omitted the "I'm pretty sure", I guess
[06:08] <areay> sloopy, it's a thomson tg585v7... i got it with my broadband connection
[06:08] <Titan8990> Helen_McCall, what card?
[06:08] <mzz> Gnea: from that binary drivers wiki page: "If you have an ATI Radeon 9500 or newer..."
[06:08] <cahaya-03> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:09] <sloopy> areay, when you use DHCP for config what ip does it give?
[06:09] <Helen_McCall> ati radeon mobile 9000
[06:09] <cahaya-03> gwgww
[06:09] <rww> !hi | cahaya-03
[06:09] <Helen_McCall> what is fglrx
[06:09] <Gnea> mzz: well, you've introduced some rather disturbing doubt... we don't much appreciate that around here, you need to be sure or don't bother
[06:09] <mzz> Gnea: that basically means "r300", the mobility 9000 seems to be r200-based, so it won't work.
[06:09] <areay> sloopy, <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:09] <Titan8990> Helen_McCall, they are the proprietary ati drivers
[06:09] <Titan8990> !ati | Helen_McCall
[06:09] <Gnea> mzz: let's check ubuntuforums, eh?
[06:09] <Helen_McCall> i am not using any proprietary drivers
[06:09] <mzz> Gnea: why? Read the wiki page.
[06:09] <Gnea> Helen_McCall: it's the binary page
[06:09] <remu> Hey there, I'm setting up my transmission-daemon after using torrentflux for the past year. I am editing settings.json using the information listed here http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/EditConfigFiles
[06:10] <Titan8990> Helen_McCall, you have to to run compiz
[06:10] <remu> I was wondering if there is a place where the options are explained, the wiki only explains the options to the keys, but doesn't really explain what the key is.
[06:10] <sloopy> areay, does the router have a 'valid' range of ip's ? i know some routers are config'd to only allow a specific range of ip's to be usable
[06:10] <Helen_McCall> ok
[06:10] <Helen_McCall> i'll work on it tomorrow
[06:10] <Helen_McCall> thx
[06:10] <mzz> Gnea: I am positive fglrx won't run on pre-r300 cards anymore. I was not positive the mobility 9000 was pre-r300, but am now.
[06:10] <Gnea> mzz: which wiki page? the one from ubottu?
[06:10] <mzz> Gnea: yes
[06:10] <rww> remu: There's a Transmission BT channel at #transmission. Consider asking there :)
[06:10] <mzz> Gnea: I can doublecheck the fglrx release notes if you insist.
[06:11]  * mzz does so
[06:11] <remu> rww, I did, everyone seems to be asleep there, so I figured I'd ask in here in case someone here knew.
[06:11] <remu> I think they may be standard BT settings, but I'm not so sure.
[06:11] <areay> sloopy, if i use the network manager i can connect fine as <IP_ADDRESS>... i'm just trying to get around the nm bug which forces you to have dhcp at startup with the non-removable "auto eth0" connection
[06:11] <rww> remu: ah, I see :)
[06:11] <drash> Helen_McCall: websearch for compiz-check, download & run it, it will try to help debugging your issue
[06:12] <remu> rww, yeah, thanks anyways though!
[06:12] <mzz> Gnea: yep, no 9000 mentioned in the relnotes linked from http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html (older fglrx will support that card, but won't work with current versions of the Xorg server)
[06:12] <Gnea> mzz: I'm pretty sure that it's supported... http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:12] <sloopy> areay, is there a specific reason you dont want dhcp?
[06:13] <Gnea> mzz: the ATI site doesn't count, just like the nvidia.com driver isn't supported here.
[06:13]  * mzz blinks
[06:13] <Titan8990> sloopy, dhcp is for nubs?
[06:13] <Gnea> yes.
[06:13] <mzz> Gnea: that doesn't make any sense, unless that's a pretty old version of the binary driver. I can look up at what point support for pre-r300 card was dropped but it'll take me a minute.
[06:13] <Gnea> This version of the ATI driver officially supports:   MOBILITY RADEON 9000, 9200, 9600, 9800, X700
[06:13] <sloopy> Titan8990, guess i have been a noob for 15 years then...
[06:14] <areay> sloopy, yeah i run apache, mysqld, mpd, mediatomb all for clients on my home network... i pretty much need a static ip
[06:14] <ramu> i am getting error if i install any package in my system "Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16."
[06:14] <piti_> lol...so fixed static ip for non noob?
[06:14] <Gnea> mzz: why bother? the intrepid fglrx driver that's in the repositories supports it. therefore, ubuntu supports it. end of story.
[06:14] <Titan8990> sloopy, hehe, no, probably just don't play with servers :)
[06:14] <sloopy> Titan8990, all my machines have dhcp, certain ones are just config'd in dhcp to get specific ip each time tho
[06:14] <kaartz> hi
[06:14] <kaartz> exit
[06:14] <kaartz> quir
[06:14] <kaartz> quit
[06:15] <Gnea> kaartz: like this:  /quit
[06:15] <sloopy> areay, config router to give specific ip to the mac address in your server
[06:15] <mzz> Gnea: the wiki page says it does not support it. The relnotes from ati itself say it is not supported, and I can find you the documentation on ati's site confirming what version that change was in. Are you sure that package description is up to date?
[06:15] <Titan8990> sloopy, that works too, but I don't like the 8 seconds dhcp adds to my what is now a 20sec boot time :)
[06:15] <mzz> Gnea: let me dig up ati's notes for that version of fglrx though.
[06:15] <sloopy> Titan8990, if it takes 8 secs then something is config'd wrong...
[06:16] <Gnea> mzz: here's the person and timestamp of the latest entry in the changelog: -- Mario Limonciello<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:55:59 -0500
[06:16] <areay> sloopy, i've tried looking around in the settings of the router, which are very limited, and haven't found anything yet... it's not looking too hopeful as far as the router's concerned...
[06:16] <rww> ramu: Do you have the "belocs-locales-bin" package installed?
[06:16] <mzz> Gnea: are you sure the description is updated to stay in sync with what the driver supports?
[06:16] <ramu> rww, i donot know
[06:17] <Gnea> oh look, a tech at DELL made it official. hrm, let's see here, which version of the ATI do you suppose ships with most dell laptops?
[06:17] <Titan8990> areay, have you checked to see if your router is on the dd-wrt compatibility list?
[06:17] <sloopy> areay, yeah i am not overly knowledgeable with console routers beyond a linksys, i have always used a spare linux box for routing, at home and work...
[06:17] <Gnea> mzz: and did we bother to ask helen which make/model of laptop she has? oops.
[06:17] <mzz> Gnea: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/radeonprevious-linux.html has a note that 8.28.8 is "the last driver version to support ... ATI Mobility Radeon 9000"
[06:17] <mzz> Gnea: she said she has a Mobility Radeon 9000, which is sufficient
[06:18] <areay> Titan8990, i just checked; they don't even have a section for thomson :(
[06:18] <linxuz3r> i wanna buy a macbook
[06:18] <rww> ramu: Run "apt-cache policy belocs-locales-bin" and see if it says "Installed: (none)" or "Installed: version". That'll tell you whether it's installed.
[06:18]  * mzz guesses he should go and file a bug about that description being stale
[06:18] <Gnea> mzz: if she has a dell, then the chance that it's supported would be even greater.
[06:18] <Gnea> mzz: file the bug when you have some proof.
[06:18] <areay> sloopy, i used to do that because i was using a 3g connection... that was troublesome to say the least
[06:18]  * mzz gives up on this conversation
[06:19] <Gnea> good idea.
[06:19] <ramu> rww, ok
[06:19] <ramu> rww, not installed
[06:19] <sloopy> areay, 3g?
[06:19] <rww> ramu: there's your problem. Try "sudo apt-get install belocs-locales-bin" and see if it installs okay.
[06:19] <mzz> Gnea: I maintained the packaging of this driver for a competing distro for a while. I cannot prove this because I don't have the affected hardware, but some of the users of that distro did, and I was around at the time support was dropped. I think I do know what I'm talking about here, unless ati silently re-added support.
[06:19] <j03lar50n> when installing Ubuntu Server - if i don't choose a desktop, i will only have a terminal?
[06:19] <rww> ramu: If not, we'll have to think of something cleverer.
[06:20] <rww> j03lar50n: correct
[06:20] <j03lar50n> is Kubuntu most popular?
[06:20] <rww> j03lar50n: GNOME/Ubuntu is more popular
[06:20] <Gnea> mzz: I can appreciate that, but perhaps you can appreciate the fact that different distribution maintainers roll their diffs differently.
[06:20] <mzz> Gnea: this is a binary blob. There is nothing to diff.
[06:20] <ramu> rww, what to do
[06:21] <j03lar50n> I don't have that choice at in my setup
[06:21] <rww> Gnea, mzz: Would you mind taking this to PM or something?
[06:21] <rww> ramu:  Try "sudo apt-get install belocs-locales-bin" and see if it installs okay.
[06:21] <areay> sloopy, yeah a vodafone 3g card... i used to share it over eth0... but every dns lookup would take 10 seconds because it would look at eth0 first, but my internet connection was ppp0... i spent hours in here trying to solve the problem but i ended up getting dsl before i fixed the 3g
[06:21] <Gnea> mzz: shall we?
[06:21] <mzz> Gnea: well, that's actually an oversimplification, but there's no way to patch in mobility 9000 support if ati dropped it (you'd have to reverse-engineer the blob)
[06:21] <mzz> Gnea: nah, I'm off.
[06:21] <Gnea> mzz: okay.
[06:21] <areay> sloopy, networking is my nemesis
[06:21] <areay> sloopy, i hate it with a passion
[06:22] <lstarnes>  /away sleep?
[06:22] <sloopy> areay, you probly had a gateway set on eth0
[06:22] <lstarnes> oops.
[06:22] <Gnea> !away | lstarnes
[06:22] <areay> sloopy, yeah... i always miss something
[06:22] <mzz> Gnea: one last thing: where's that changelog you pasted from?
[06:22] <ramu> k
[06:22] <sloopy> areay, i feel your pain, but with wireless... i am very familiar with ip4 networking, but i always have issues with wireless
[06:22] <rww> mzz: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-installer_8.543-0ubuntu4/changelog
[06:22] <Gnea> mzz: it's linked directly on the page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:22] <mzz> rww: thanks
[06:23] <mzz> Gnea: duh, should've looked there. Sorry, really gone now.
[06:23] <Gnea> mzz: np, I hope we can find out for sure later :)
[06:23] <sloopy> areay, every room in my house is wired with 100T wiring, just so i dont have to deal with wireless... but mrs is complaining she wants wireless...
[06:24] <areay> sloopy, i'd rather have the ethernet personally... wireless is too slow... 54mbit's a joke you're lucky to get 2
[06:25] <areay> sloopy, 20*
[06:25] <Gnea> sloopy: I suggest netgear: http://www.netgear.com/Products/APsWirelessControllers/AccessPoints/WN802Tv2.aspx  very linux-friendly.
[06:25] <Gnea> areay: right, why hvae 54 when you can have 108? ;)
[06:26] <sloopy> areay, well she has wires any place she normally goes except back porch, so when she wants wireless speed isnt a big issue
[06:26] <ncfi1013_> what does it mean when i get an "assertion failed" dialog box when i try to go to two different websites?
[06:27] <mak_> ANy body want's the Wimax 802.16e Products out for sale
[06:27] <sloopy> Gnea, why add more stuff, when i have a machine already doing file serving game serving and doing a couple other menial tasks...
[06:27] <mak_> ?
[06:27] <areay> sloopy, yeah it's always good to have as a backup... i'm in a rented property so paying to get my home wired would be a bit of a waste... i just keep my computers and printers in my office and my ps3/laptop/phone all connect thru wireless...
[06:27] <Gnea> sloopy: I'm not the one to ask :)
[06:27] <nanotube> so, what's the best cross-platform open source video-chat app?
[06:27] <areay> sloopy, i dunno wtf i'm gonna do about this interfaces problem...
[06:28] <Gnea> !best | nanotube
[06:28] <ashlessburn> omg
[06:28] <sloopy> areay, run a main wire along the floor board cat6 goes under floor molding nicely
[06:29] <nanotube> Gnea: fine, what /good/ cross platform open source video chat apps are there?
[06:29] <nanotube> Gnea: ones you might personally recommend?
[06:29] <twain> hi
[06:29] <Gnea> nanotube: I think the only one that actually *works* would have to be gnomemeeting, but I understand that's been replaced with Ekiga... still no video chat with an IM client yet, though
[06:29] <twain> i need your help
[06:29] <twain> how can i install opengl program to run on game?
[06:29] <Gnea> game?
[06:29] <nanotube> Gnea: hm, ekiga it is, then. :)
[06:30] <Gnea> nanotube: good luck :)
[06:30] <nanotube> Gnea: thanks :)
[06:30] <twain> 3d need support for game from opengl
[06:30] <mak_> Is any Body works for Core Development on Wimax Products,,,like on Base Station Syncronization and all,,, in C++ and Linux ?
[06:30] <Gnea> twain: no sure I understand... let's try this again: you want opengl support for a 3d game you want to install?
[06:30] <twain> yes that right gnea
[06:31] <Gnea> and you have what video card?
[06:31] <twain> ATI rad  9600
[06:31] <Gnea> twain: ah, then you want the fglrx driver from the repository
[06:32] <Gnea> !ati | twain
[06:32] <linxuz3r> how do you setup a printer in ubuntu
[06:32] <Gnea> !printer | linxuz3r
[06:32] <trygg> how did you search for something effectively?
[06:32] <Gnea> as opposed to ineffectively?
[06:33] <rdw200169> trygg, on your computer or on the internet?
[06:33] <meshuggah> ?
[06:33] <trygg> heh, on the computer
[06:34] <twain> ok thaanks  let me read info.. brb ok?
[06:34] <Gnea> trygg: locate something
[06:34] <rdw200169> trygg, on ubuntu, they use tracker for that
[06:34] <Gnea> trygg: like this:  locate lspci
[06:34] <rdw200169> Gnea, yeah, locate works too, but you have to download it, and it doesn't search *inside* files, like tracker does
[06:34] <trygg> super, thanks
[06:34] <hacker_kid> im trying to install python 2.6 on ubuntu 8.04 and getting "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" what could cause this
[06:34] <Gnea> rdw200169: that's what grep is for
[06:35] <rdw200169> trygg, you should have a little magnifying glass on your taskbar, that's tracker
[06:35] <rww> hacker_kid: sudo apt-get install build-essential will fix it
[06:35] <mzz> rww++
[06:35] <rdw200169> Gnea, not helpful when it's a non-text file
[06:35] <mzz> that was a much better response than the infodump I was typing :)
[06:35] <Gnea> rdw200169: strings
[06:35] <hacker_kid> rww, haha. i forgot this is a fresh install without the build-essential packages
[06:36] <fermuch> hi
[06:36] <fermuch> hola
[06:36] <fermuch> anybody have a problem?
[06:37] <rdw200169> Gnea, yeah, but maybe everyone doesn't want to learn how to 'locate * | grep' (etc...)
[06:37] <testlin> Greetings all. Is there any way to get the bash_history in realtime? If I type a command in my console, i need it to be written to .bash_history in realtime. Not after logging out. I found that the history is lost if the console is being closed or not properly loged out. I have put an append attribute to .bash_history, but if the history is being cleared, it wont be written to the file.
[06:37] <Gnea> rdw200169: many people do, so we try to keep available as many possible solutions
[06:38] <mzz> rdw200169: imho the main selling point of something like tracker is that it should be faster than grep unless you already have a good idea of what files to grep
[06:38] <Gnea> I agree
[06:38] <adante> how do i use runas? i try runas user group command and it segfaults?
[06:38] <mzz> disadvantages are either system load to keep the database updated or a stale db
[06:38] <adante> also tried runas user group 0022 command and it segfaults
[06:38] <ncfi1013_> what does it mean when i get an "assertion failed" dialog box when i try to go to two different websites?
[06:39] <adante> is runas something that is actually used or should i just sudo nowadays?
[06:39] <rdw200169> not to mention that one is a terminal app, and the other is a gtk app
[06:39]  * Gnea doesn't even have a runas command, nor sees it in the repo
[06:39] <adante> Gnea: hm strange, for me it's part of noshell package
[06:39] <Gnea> adante: ah ok, i see that
[06:40] <mzz> rdw200169: there are gui apps that do the same thing as or are a frontend for find/grep. Tracker might have commandline tools, not sure.
[06:40] <Gnea> adante: runas is kind of opposite of sudo
[06:40] <twain> i am back  little confused do i have do termind for driver?
[06:40] <adante> Gnea: so it's sudont?
[06:41] <Gnea> adante: sec...
[06:41] <rdw200169> mzz, sure, but is it not safe to assume that when someone asks a question in here, they're assuming they want their question answered *without* having to install any more software?
[06:41] <Gnea> adante: sudo is for running a command, from a regular user account, as root. runas is for running a command, from a root account, as a regular user.
[06:41] <mzz> rdw200169: true. I forgot if such a tool is installed by default or not.
[06:42] <mzz> Gnea: sudo can be used for the latter too, right?
[06:42] <rdw200169> mzz, that's why i mentioned tracker, it's default, and even puts it's little magnifying glass on the gnome taskbar/menubar whatzit so you can easily 'search'
[06:42] <mzz> (sudo -u username)
[06:42] <adante> Gnea: hm but sudo -u
[06:42] <adante> yeah what mzz said
[06:42] <adante> anyway my question is not what do they do
[06:42] <adante> but why is runas segfaulting
[06:43] <adante> when i issue it with what seems to be syntactically valid arguments
[06:43] <Gnea> adante: runas — program to run daemons as non priviledge users
[06:44] <Gnea> adante: it's not for running regular commands, it's for looped programs that stay running
[06:44] <Gnea> adante: so, yes, sudo -u would be the solution
[06:44] <twain> i did download driver fro linux from ati  hope it install self?
[06:44] <adante> hm, but the program i am running is a daemon that stays running
[06:45] <Gnea> adante: which one?
[06:45] <adante> anyway nm i will just run with sudo -u user cmd  2>&1 > /dev/null & i guess
[06:45] <adante> Gnea: redmine
[06:46] <tritium> twain: ubunth has the ati drivers packaged already.  No need to down load from ati (in fact, can lead to more trouble)
[06:46] <Gnea> twain: shouldn't have to download from ati.com, but from the ubuntu repository - xorg-driver-fglrx is what you need
[06:46] <twain> ok give me link where i can download gnea
[06:47] <Gnea> twain: no need, just type this in a terminal:  sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:47] <cakey> dsfargeg
[06:47] <mgmuscari> looks like i dropped in at the right moment - people discussing ati drivers
[06:48] <Gnea> twain: when you reconfigure your Xserver, just tell it to use FGLRX from the list
[06:48] <twain> ok i never done terminal sorry i will do copy what y say k?
[06:48] <mgmuscari> does anybody here have any info that's newer than november on dri2 support?
[06:48] <Gnea> mgmuscari: yes, it's become a rather popular subject this evening :)
[06:48] <mgmuscari> gnea: i'm getting frustrated with flickering, as i imagine a lot of people are ;)
[06:49] <Gnea> mgmuscari: hopefully you're monitor is set to 60HZ or higher
[06:49] <Gnea> *your
[06:49] <bobbyyu> I forgot about something, after I installed Ubuntu, I forgot if MP3 is originally suported. Can someone refresh my memory? I'm sorry!
[06:49] <bobbyyu> I mean on Rhythmbox
[06:50] <Gnea> bobbyyu: of course
[06:50] <trent1> hi, i have been here a couple times and found that you guys are really helpful, and was wondering if you could help me with one more problem. i just bought a lightscribe capable dvd/cd burner and am looking for a label maker
[06:50] <tritium> !mp3 | bobbyyu
[06:50] <mgmuscari> gnea: indeed. i'm on a thinkpad w500. any opengl or windowed video flickers when i'm using compiz fusion. this seems to be a very, very common problem, since there aren't any ati drivers right now with dri2 support
[06:50] <trent1> i have the "basic" one i'm looking for one that can do greyscale pictures
[06:50] <Gnea> mgmuscari: ouch... I'm not sure... perhaps ubuntuforums.org has some discussion
[06:50] <mgmuscari> gnea: but i haven't heard anything since november regarding this support. it seems like people just stopped talking about it.
[06:51] <mzz> mgmuscari: I'm optimistic and assuming they stopped talking because they're coding
[06:51] <mzz> mgmuscari: I have absolutely no evidence for this though. I just like being optimistic :)
[06:52] <twain> termial :wain@twain-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:52] <twain> Reading package lists... Done
[06:52] <twain> Building dependency tree
[06:52] <twain> Reading state information... Done
[06:52] <twain> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[06:52] <twain> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[06:52] <twain>   libscrollkeeper0
[06:52] <mgmuscari> mzz: i should hope so. i wish i knew more about linux drivers and ati's hardware so that i could contribute
[06:52] <twain> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[06:52] <twain> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:52] <twain> twain@twain-desktop:~$
[06:52] <twain> gnea  got it ?
[06:52] <ashlessburn> noppers
[06:52] <mgmuscari> this stupid dri2 issue is the only thing preventing this setup from being really sweet
[06:52] <ashlessburn> god i wish u were here that would make things easier
[06:53] <Gnea> twain: please use http://pastebin.com next time
[06:53] <ashlessburn> or sudo update......the prgram
[06:53] <ashlessburn> lol
[06:53] <tritium> twain: please don't paste
[06:53] <mgmuscari> ashlessburn: i seem to remember seeing something the other day about a remote support tool for linux
[06:53] <ashlessburn> tritium is being nice u can tell
[06:53]  * Gnea wonders what happened to the floodbots
[06:54] <rww> Gnea: temporary hiccup, I think
[06:54] <mzz> mgmuscari: aww, now you had me go to cgit.freedesktop.org and find no commits on the relevant branches (I think) since november :(
[06:54] <Gnea> rww: seems to be a lot of aftershocks lately...
[06:54] <mgmuscari> mzz: yeah that's why i've been miffed :(
[06:54] <trent1> nevermind found it in the forum. :) have a nice day
[06:54] <trent1> ... or night
[06:54] <twain> ok sorry  it my first time i am learning...  forgvian me
[06:54] <ashlessburn> wait till the 14th this forum will be packed
[06:54] <tritium> twain: no problem
[06:55] <Gnea> ashlessburn: a couple days ago, the channel neared 1500 users
[06:55] <Gnea> not sure if it broke it or not
[06:55] <twain> so next what i do?
[06:55] <twain> about driver
[06:56] <Gnea> twain: checking
[06:56] <ashlessburn> really
[07:00] <Gnea> twain: try System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[07:02] <twain> gnea  i am on hardrive driver it say "ati.amd proprietary FGLRX graphics driver
[07:02] <mattycoze> hey everyone; i've got a problem with qtoctave, it is installed but whenever i run the program i get this error Error: /home/mattycoze/.qtoctave/menus not found
[07:03] <mzz> twain: what was the actual problem again? How are you determining you do not have (enough) 3d acceleration?