[12:10] <esac> what is ubuntu ?
[12:11] <pw> It's a user-friendly debian distribution with a nice installer and a desktop bias.
[12:11] <pw> debian-based, rather.
[12:11] <esac> ahhhh so i can ctrl-c my aptitude install and try it out ? :)
[12:11] <chapter3> how can i tell if agpgart was loaded upon boot?
[12:12] <ZzeCoOl> what is the shortcut to toggle between desktops? in X
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> lsmod?? maybe
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> lsmod | grep agpgard
[12:13] <chapter3> strange, it's not showing in lsmod
[12:14] <dags> ZzeCoOl, i dont think there is one by default. run gnome-keybinding-properties to set your own
[12:14] <chapter3> if i don't have agpgart running, and don't have nvagp running, wtf do i have?  anything?  :)
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> hahaahah
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> chapter3: then you are using the default fuck...ng drivers  that ubuntu have
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> like a windows default installation
[12:15] <chapter3> oh really?  eeek, that could explain the bad performance
[12:15] <chapter3> how can i use better drivers?
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know for nvidia any hot to site
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i have ATi
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> :(
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> hot* how
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> someone here must know
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> lsmod|grep agp
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> if agpgart is not available
[12:16] <chapter3> kev@home [~] $ lsmod | grep -i agp
[12:16] <chapter3> returns nada
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia will use nvagp automagically
[12:17] <chapter3> hmm
[12:17] <chapter3> one thing to note, when i do: cat /proc/drivers/nvidia/agp/status nothing is outputted
[12:19] <jintonic> how can i get my computer fans to not change speed, but just always stay fast?
[12:20] <jintonic> because i get this horrible noise when my cpu fan (i think) goes slower
[12:20] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: ??????????? #$^%&%^*
[12:21] <ZzeCoOl> this is not a software problem for sure.....   Go away
[12:31] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: you dont have any problem everything is fine
[12:31] <Necrosan> He has dynamic fans which adjust to the speed.
[12:31] <Necrosan> The speed necessary for the amount of heat coming out of the system.
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: ok ok u are the man
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> the prodigy
[12:32] <Necrosan> I know.
[12:32] <Necrosan> Thanks.
[12:32] <HaRDaWaY> one question, i have connect pendrive, what is his device to mount it ?
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> it is a psu problem u morron
[12:32] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Shut up.  ;D
[12:32] <jintonic> i bet its a variable fan problem, and since that's usually a cheaper to fix problem, lets assume thats correct, how would you fix that?
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> He can check this be borrow a posu of a friend and test it
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Replace the fans.
[12:33] <HaRDaWaY> pendrive is sg1 ?
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Do you know where the noise is coming from?
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: you dont know a shit this is the opnly reason acting like this
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> or you are the real 12 yars old
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Do you have any case fans?
[12:33] <jintonic> not sure, i'm pretty sure its my cpu fan
[12:33] <charon79m> Need some help with a Netgear WA511 and getting it to work with WW.
[12:34] <Tyche> Hi ubuntu friends
[12:34] <jintonic> yes, 1 80mm
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: plz listen to me
[12:34] <Tyche> I'm looking for a html/php gui editor
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> let this dumpass ....hell out
[12:34] <charon79m> Sorry.... WG511.
[12:34] <Necrosan> jintonic: Try disconnecting the 1 80mm fan, and try to replicate the situation
[12:34] <charon79m> Here is the line from "lspci"
[12:34] <jcspray> Tyche: gedit will do syntax highlighting for both of those, if it's just a source editor you're after.
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: if you cant belive me do this borrow your friends psu and test to see if this happen
[12:34] <Necrosan> If the noise is gone, your problem is found. If not, the PSU fan is also a problem.
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> (if you have any friend with a good psu)
[12:35] <charon79m> 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]  (rev 01)
[12:35] <Necrosan> jintonic: I'm willing to bet it's the case fan though.
[12:35] <Tyche> jcspray: that is good to know, but I'm looking for more then a source editor
[12:35] <jcspray> Would it be irresponsible to suggest inserting a screwdriver into the psu vent to stop the fan and see if that's the problem?
[12:35] <Necrosan> jcspray: That works too. =P
[12:35] <charon79m> Wireless NIC help needed... anyone willing to help?
[12:35] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: HIS PROBLEM IS THAT THE FAN BECOME NOISER WHEN LOADING AN APPL (AND MAYBE THIS CAN HAPPEN WHEN HDD WORK A LOT)
[12:35] <ZzeCoOl> IT IS A VERY KNOWN PROBLEM
[12:35] <jcspray> Actually, I've done that with scissors and a screwdriver, many times.   :D
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: what about my country?
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> come one tell me?
[12:38] <Necrosan> jintonic: Replicate the situation that makes the noise happen & stop the PSU fan then.
[12:39] <jintonic> it just happens spurratically
[12:39] <jcspray> jintonic: sporadically.
[12:39] <charon79m> Can anyone help with a wireless PCMCIA NIC install... this same card works on another laptop using Ubuntu WW...
[12:40] <sladen> charon79m: just ask
[12:40] <charon79m> Just ask what....?
[12:40] <charon79m> Here is "lspci" : 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]  (rev 01)
[12:41] <charon79m> Here is what I get in /var/log/syslog when I plug it in...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: islpci_open()
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: resetting device...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: uploading firmware...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: could not upload firmware ('isl3890')
[12:41] <Warwick> 'nin all
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: islpci_open()
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: resetting device...
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: uploading firmware...
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: could not upload firmware ('isl3890')
[12:42] <kent> Is there some way i can make it so that when i select severel music files, i can rightclick on them and choose "open with totem" / enque to totem? (or other media player) right now, i seem to not get an option like that if i have selected several files :(
[12:43] <charon79m> This card works in my Armada E500 laptop... it will not work in my Armada 6500.
[12:43] <charon79m> Any suggestions at all?
[12:44] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: you are a linux expert as i can see right?
[12:44] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Nah, I don't even use linux.
[12:44] <ZzeCoOl> mac even
[12:44] <Necrosan> I just had some ubuntu cds and a broken laptop and decided to throw it on there. :)
[12:45] <Necrosan> Ya, I can consider myself a mac expert. :)
[12:45] <ZzeCoOl> nice
[12:45] <Tyche> How hard is it to go from Gnome to KDE on ubuntu?
[12:45] <ZzeCoOl> beleive me you are
[12:45] <charon79m> Tyche, Easy... just hit Synaptic.
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: in my opinion it's an horrendous waste of time etter spent doing real things
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> but you can do it easily enough
[12:45] <mlots> Is removing Perl from Essential a serious goal for Hoary?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> mlots: no
[12:46] <Monty67> Hello all, currently d/l the latest and notice that Distrowatch doesn't have XFCE listed for this distro. Can I load it? Thanks in advance for your response.
[12:46] <charon79m> Does anyone know of another IRC that is helpful with Ubuntu/Debian hardware issues?
[12:46] <chapter3> i would like to upgrade to horay, but is there a way to "revert" back to warty after going to horay?
[12:46] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Looking for a nice html editor for Gnome then.
[12:46] <mlots> ugg, and I got my hopes up... Oh well, I guess I'll have to look at that later.
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: my fiance uses nvu
[12:47] <charon79m> Monty... Check synaptic with "universe" enabled.
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> (it's not gnome, but hey)
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> I use gvim
[12:47] <Monty67> Thanks charon79m
[12:47] <Necrosan> lol
[12:47] <charon79m> NP...
[12:47] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl just threatened me in query.
[12:47] <Necrosan> Funny. :)
[12:47] <mlots> charon79m: #debian ?
[12:47] <charon79m> Mlots: I'll give it a shot... thanks.
[12:47] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Is that short for something?
[12:47] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: copy paste plz what i said
[12:48] <mlots> charon79m: What's your issue? Kernel, X?
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: not really
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> its an advice
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> if you want i can say it in here
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: hang on a tick
[12:48] <Necrosan> [05:47]  	<ZzeCoOl>	an advice just check your security settings .... a friendly one and watch your mouth
[12:48] <Necrosan> [05:47]  	<ZzeCoOl>	see ya
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan HAVE a security problem with his mac
[12:48] <mlots> charon79m: It might be worth consulting upstream, or another downstream.
[12:48] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Do I?
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: Necrosan: shush
[12:48] <Necrosan> hack me. :)
[12:48] <charon79m> The issues is I have a Netgear WG511 wireless card that is not working with one of my laptops.
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[12:49] <missvu> hello
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> tyche:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/view?searchterm=nvu
[12:49] <missvu> i was wondering if anyone knew how i would use this dockers program
[12:49] <mlots> charon79m: Basic networking debugging is fairly universal for Linux, but that wireless card may be an issue common to many distro's.
[12:49] <missvu> and also how to install audioscrobbler on my beep
[12:50] <mlots> 'r both are universal, but you have two parts to look at.
[12:50] <charon79m> This card works with this distro on another laptop...
[12:50] <mlots> Network setup correct?
[12:50] <charon79m> It's actually a very well suported card.
[12:50] <charon79m> Nope hardware:
[12:50] <charon79m> prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:50] <charon79m> I'm a networking guy.... that's my specialty.
[12:51] <charon79m> This isn't even getting a light on the card.
[12:51] <missvu> hello?
[12:51] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Thank you
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: not a problem!
[12:52] <mlots> charon79m: Check the source code for the prism54, also the kernel documentation if any for that module.
[12:53] <charon79m> Not sure what you mean by source code for prism54...  Isn't support for this compiled into kernel?
[12:53] <mlots> charon79m: Check the kernel source code, there's sometimes clues there.
[12:53] <charon79m> Also, not sure what you mean by "kernel documentation"...
[12:54] <mlots> charon79m: In the kernel code directory there's a directory called Documentation.
[12:55] <charon79m> Hmm... probably have to download the kernel source package...
[12:55] <mlots> charon79m: If you can't find what the error means by using those two sources, and general search skills then contact the maintainer or perhaps the linux kernel mailing list (lkml).
[12:57] <mlots> charon79m: Your friends for this will be google, grep -ri...
[12:57] <charon79m> mlots:  Thanks for the suggestions.
[12:57] <charon79m> LOL... yeah, I was hoping that it would be something simple.
[12:57] <mlots> charon79m: YOu could also search the source code online I think, but I don't recall where.
[12:57] <charon79m> It just doesn't make sense that this works on one machine and not the other.
[12:57] <charon79m> They're running the same kernel.
[12:58] <mlots> Different revision or different mod... have you tried swapping the cards?
[12:58] <charon79m> Yes, I have 2 identicle cards... I've swapped them around.
[12:58] <charon79m> Both work on one machine, both do not work on the other.
[12:58] <charon79m> Same errors on each.
[12:59] <mlots> Could be damage, could be a manufacturing change, could be a manufacturing defect... afaik the only difference should be the MAC address if they're the same revision.
[12:59] <mlots> Anyway gotta go. Good luck.
[01:00] <charon79m> That is correct... MAC is different.. serial numbers are off by few digits.
[01:00] <charon79m> It's the same card/revision/etc.
[01:02] <Warwick> hmmm... I think I'm solving my own problem with google and a little experimentation.. WEP off works
[01:02] <ZzeCoOl> yeah google is your friend
[01:02] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:07] <reijo01> hi
[01:08] <reijo01> I just installed ubuntu on a machine with a wireless card
[01:09] <reijo01> i think i see the wireless device in device manager but
[01:09] <reijo01> when I try to add it in network settings it isn't in the dropdown
[01:09] <guugmember> Does the installation of ubuntu includes kernel tools?
[01:09] <reijo01> i see the device listed in the supported devices at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=dwl-520
[01:10] <reijo01> could someone recommend a way to fix this? thanks!
[01:11] <mz2> ndiswrapper is being nasty to me
[01:12] <mz2> is there something i could do when it gives me these hangups that last for a few seconds like every few minutes
[01:15] <rob0> reijo01, is this the dwl-520 or dwl-520+ ? The latter might not be supported (or it might work with the acx100 driver ... find that at Sourceforge.)
[01:16] <reijo01> rob0 without the +, i.e. dwl-520(at least that is what the CD says)
[01:16] <reijo01> what is the acx100 driver?
[01:16] <kleedrac> How do I extract a .sit file?
[01:17] <rob0> D-links without the "+" should work in general.
[01:17] <rob0> ACX-100 is a Texas Instruments chip which the mfr refused to document, so the acx100 project is reverse-engineering it
[01:18] <reijo01> should I expect it to show up in the network settings on the drop down for wireless devices?
[01:18] <ogra> rob0: make sure the acx_pci module is loaded
[01:18] <rob0> reijo01, I have no idea. I am as new to ubuntu and GNOME as anyone.
[01:18] <Elk_Brad> how can i get my 512MB usb drive to work with Ubuntu? is there specific drivers i need?
[01:18] <rob0> ogra, I don't have an acx100 card. Never will. ;)
[01:18] <reijo01> rob0 ok
[01:18] <ogra> rob0: sorry that was for reijo01
[01:19] <reijo01> ogra how do I make sure that acx_pci is loaded?
[01:19] <rob0> Elk_Brad, did you try it? What did you try?
[01:19] <ogra> reijo01: in a terminal type: lsmod|grep acx
[01:20] <ogra> Elk_Brad: it should appear automatically on your desktop if you plug it in
[01:20] <rob0> ogra, reijo01's NIC being a plain 520, is acx_pci needed?
[01:20] <reijo01> ogra its not there
[01:20] <rob0> reijo01, try /sbin/pcimodules
[01:20] <reijo01> as a command?
[01:20] <rob0> yes
[01:20] <ogra> rob0: modinfo says: Driver for TI ACX1xx based wireless cards (CardBus/PCI/USB)
[01:21] <rob0> yes, but I'm not sure his NIC is an ACX1xx
[01:21] <reijo01> ok, there is no pcimodules in sbin
[01:21] <poningru> anyone know how to add the search plugins in firefox?
[01:22] <rob0> I bought one once, returned it unopened :)
[01:22] <ogra> heh
[01:22] <ogra> reijo01: try: sudo modprobe acx_pci
[01:22] <reijo01> i don't have a pcimodules in sbin and I dont have acx_pci loaded
[01:22] <reijo01> k
[01:22] <rob0> 520+, that is
[01:22] <ogra> reijo01: if it complains your card isnt a acx100
[01:23] <Elk_Brad> orga: i don't see it pop up , but in device listings i see it and it says storage device but in the computer listings like floppy, cd, and harddrive...but nothing else
[01:23] <Elk_Brad> it doesn't appear in there
[01:23] <ogra> reijo01: if it doesnt complain type: dmesg
[01:23] <reijo01> no complains
[01:24] <ogra> reijo01: and look at the last lines of the output
[01:24] <reijo01> k
[01:24] <poningru> nm got it
[01:24] <reijo01> lol
[01:24] <Elk_Brad> :(
[01:24] <Elk_Brad> any ideas?
[01:24] <reijo01> looks like i was coaxed into buying a wireless network card
[01:24] <Elk_Brad>  someone?
[01:24] <ogra> Elk_Brad: look in Computer->desktop settings->removable media
[01:25] <reijo01> that uses a mysterious ACX100 chip from TI
[01:25] <ogra> great :)
[01:25] <Elk_Brad> removable media is not listed
[01:25] <rob0> hey, when you use a gksu app (I opened a root terminal) does that authentication apply to other apps? I was surprised NOT to be asked by synaptic for the password.
[01:26] <Danko123451> Hi, how do I turn on ssh on a computer?
[01:26] <ogra> rob0: it lasts for about 10mins
[01:26] <Danko123451> the server...
[01:26] <rob0> Elk_Brad, lsusb(8) might help
[01:26] <sladen> rob0: for 5 minutes, yes
[01:26] <reijo01> ok, do i need to reboot? cuz the wireless device still isn't showing up when I try to add a network connection
[01:26] <rob0> thx guys
[01:26] <sladen> rob0: do  sudo -k  if you want to cancel it
[01:26] <ogra> Danko123451: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:26] <randabis-wireles> lolz Chi-Lan from the screensavers pmed me
[01:26] <Danko123451> thanks.
[01:27] <rob0> reijo01, "ifconfig -a", what interfaces other than lo are listed?
[01:27] <ogra> reijo01: add the acx_pci module to /etc/modules (sudo gedit /etc/modules)
[01:27] <rob0> I guess you should have sit0 too
[01:27] <reijo01> i have eth0, lo and sit0
[01:28] <geppy> How can you reinstall nvidia modules after recompiling the kernel?
[01:28] <rob0> does eth0 work?  DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM.
[01:30] <rob0> reijo01, you're just wanting some kind of status to show?
[01:30] <reijo01> rob0 i don't think so, it doesnt have a inet addr line
[01:30] <racter> anyone know how i can increase my max refresh rate?  gnome's screen resolution preferences will not let me choose anything above 63hz at 1024x768.
[01:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Because I needed to add a module that wasn't there.
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: what module?
[01:30] <randabis-wireles> lol
[01:30] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[01:30] <randabis-wireles> that's hilarimous
[01:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I was adding the spca50x module for my webcam.
[01:30] <daniels> Necrosan, ZzeCoOl: please stop arguing
[01:31] <reijo01> agra do i add "aci_pci" on a separate line without the quotes?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: I don't think that's in the normal kernel source
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> you should just need the linux-headers for your kernel
[01:31] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Regardless, I've already done it;  I just want my nvidia back.  =)
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> and the module source
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> daniels: i allready ignore him *.*
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> thats why he continue in public
[01:31] <ogra> reijo01: acx_pci
[01:31] <reijo01> rob0 why do I have a eth0 without a inet address?
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: :)
[01:31] <reijo01> k
[01:31] <ogra> reijo01: avoid typos ;)
[01:31] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  I already got the linux-headers and used the makefile in the spca508 driver to recompile the kernel;  It's just that I've now lost GLX.
[01:32] <Danko123451> Is su - the command for changing the user to root?
[01:32] <reijo01> i've been trying to avoid them for years without much success :(
[01:32] <geppy> Danko123451:  'su' is 'superuser do'
[01:32] <geppy> Danko123451:  It gives you root rights for one command.
[01:32] <reijo01> ok, so that is to make it permenent?
[01:33] <Danko123451> Thats sudo?
[01:33] <ogra> Danko123451: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:33] <Elk_Brad> what is  lsusb(8)
[01:33] <geppy> Danko123451:  Use 'sudo -c su' to get a root terminal.
[01:33] <Danko123451> thanks.
[01:33] <geppy> Danko123451:  Listen to ogra.  =)
[01:33] <Danko123451> I do :)
[01:33] <rob0> reijo01, let's get to the bottom of it, please. Did you have this card working before? Is there an access point running (or bridging to) a DHCP daemon?
[01:33] <ogra> reijo01:i mean while editing important config files of your system ;)
[01:34] <randabis-wireles> I though su was switch users
[01:34] <randabis-wireles> user
[01:34] <reijo01> ogra ok, will do:)
[01:34] <Danko123451> The thing is that my computer is set up so I just write su and it changes my user to root@localhost
[01:34] <geppy> Danko123451:  Then just do that.
[01:34] <ogra> randabis-wireles: it is, but ubuntu has the root user locked...
[01:34] <Danko123451> And I want to make my other computer work like that.
[01:34] <Danko123451> I guess I need an alias.
[01:35] <Danko123451> But it seems that I have two diff passwords for the root? I guess I am just writing in the wrong thing.
[01:35] <reijo01> ogra should i reboot now? it isn't showing up as a wireless device when i try to add a network connection
[01:36] <ogra> reijo01: what did the lines of dmesg say ? they should have mentioned the device name (wlan0 or something)
[01:36] <ferris> i have a question
[01:36] <Danko123451> One more thing, which server is openssh on?
[01:36] <Danko123451> multiverse?
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: just hit it
[01:37] <Danko123451> : )
[01:37] <kotau> ZzeCo0l; I'd hit it.
[01:37] <ferris> how can i find real player in the xfce menus... i do not see it
[01:37] <ogra> Danko123451: universe
[01:37] <randabis-wireles> ibm gave us 500 patents lolz
[01:37] <ferris> i do not know for sure if it is installed or not
[01:37] <Danko123451> k so should that be there already in apt-get?
[01:38] <ferris> is there an easy way to search for it?
[01:38] <Danko123451> Which all lines do you suggest adding to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:38] <ogra> Danko123451: you have to eanble universe, if it is enabled and your package list is up to date, then yes
[01:38] <lupus_> patent for mpeg would be handy :p
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> ferris i think that you must setup a shortcut manual ...
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> try in a terminal something like real and then press the TEB key
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> to see if there is any command for real player
[01:40] <rob0> hey, I have a stupid question which I could answer with RTFM/STFW, but I'll ask here instead ;) ... where's mc?? I can't find it in synaptic.
[01:40] <rob0> enable universe?
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> midnight commander?
[01:40] <rob0> yes
[01:40] <reijo01> ogra dev_info is: TI acx_pci
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> i didnt fint it either
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> find*
[01:41] <Danko123451> I can use the Synaptic for all this right?
[01:41] <ogra> rob0: yes
[01:41] <reijo01> ogra acx100_init_module: TI acx_pci.o:Ver 0.2.0pre8 Driver initialized, waiting for cards to probe
[01:42] <ogra> reijo01: hmm, didnt show up a device ?
[01:42] <reijo01> ogra i don't think so
[01:42] <ferris> ZzeCoOl: I tried the real, realplayer but there was no command
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> :(
[01:42] <reijo01> will be be prefixed with a acx100?
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> did you install it right?
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> go to your home directory and try ls -la
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> i think it is hdden in there
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> if you install it properly
[01:44] <reijo01> i'm rebooting to see if my edit on that system file worked
[01:44] <Danko123451> Thanks so much guys, talk to you later.
[01:45] <ogra> reijo01: i think rob0 can lead you through the config then... i have to sleep now
[01:45] <rob0> haha I might not
[01:45] <reijo01> ogra ok, thanks for your help, gnite
[01:45] <ogra> night
[01:45] <ferris> i do not have it in there
[01:45] <rob0> I know how to do things manually
[01:45] <rob0> thx ogra, universe is it :)
[01:45] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: how did you install it ?
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> did you download anu packege from their homepage?
[01:46] <ferris> ZzeCoOl yes i downloaded it from there sight
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> ok just a sec
[01:46] <ferris> ZzeCoOl then I used chmod a+x
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> im gonna try to install it and help you after that
[01:46] <ferris> then ./Real
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[01:47] <ferris> that did not work so i tried sudo Real
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> and...?
[01:47] <ferris> then it looked like it installed
[01:47] <ferris> but nothing is there
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> ahmm
[01:47] <ferris> oh, it was a .bin file
[01:48] <ferris> i do not know if that matters
[01:48] <ZzeCoOl> so there is a "real" hidden directory in your home dir?
[01:48] <reijo01> rob0 what should I be trying next, any suggestions? thx
[01:48] <Evaso> hi guys what about xfce and pmount integration for low-end pc/laptop ?
[01:48] <ferris> ZzeCoOl no
[01:48] <ferris> ZzeCoOl there is not
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> ??!@!@
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> ok wait
[01:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer  (did you downloaded from here?)
[01:51] <n4dr0j> someone wanna help me with some config?
[01:51] <randabis-wireles> gimme a dollar
[01:51] <randabis-wireles> lolz
[01:52] <n4dr0j> u accept visa
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> pay pal is ok too
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:52] <zenrox> n4dr0j, i do
[01:52] <chibifs> nadroj, configuration for what?
[01:52] <n4dr0j> ok ill give you my visa # and date, just a sec
[01:52] <zenrox> lol
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> lol
 I'll do it for free :P
[01:52] <n4dr0j> for my mouse speed, and my keyboard extra buttons
[01:53] <ferris> ZzeCoOl, http://forms.real.com/netzip/fromrde.html?promo=http://www.real.com/R/RDX.downloadr_1.R/software-dl.real.com/125c4b28d3f7fb348a00/windows/RealPlayer10-5GOLD.exe&type=dl_rp10
[01:53] <chibifs> google.com/linux :P
[01:53] <n4dr0j> i couldnt find anywhere to chg speed of mouse, but i added "Resolution" "5000" to Xfreeconfig file, is that right
[01:54] <chibifs> Are you using GNOME
[01:54] <ferris> ZzeCoOl, yes it is the same site
[01:54] <chibifs> Gnome has mouse and keyboard configuration tools, I though. o_O
[01:54] <n4dr0j> ya gnome
[01:54] <zenrox> n4dr0j,  for your special buttons on your keyboard just open the gnome keyboard panel and find what your programin like vol+ the slect it and press your vol+ key and then contuue till all your keys are configured
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> ferris:  you have to run the .bin file
[01:55] <n4dr0j> ya i found the tool for mouse, but it doesnt have a speed option
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> to install it
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> it is an installer
[01:55] <n4dr0j> zen, where do i get that
[01:55] <zenrox> n4dr0j, keyboard shout cuts
[01:55] <ferris> so is it sudo real*?
[01:56] <ferris> or ./real*
[01:56] <ferris> i did chmod a+x real*
[01:56] <ferris> then both of the others
[01:56] <ferris> ./real* did nothing
[01:56] <n4dr0j> :O!!!! thanks zen that was frightingly fast :S
[01:57] <zenrox> yep
[01:57] <zenrox> n4dr0j,  for your mouse open the mouse panel and click the last tab
[01:57] <ferris> then i did sudo real* that looked like it installed
[01:57] <ferris> brb
[01:57] <n4dr0j> aaaahhhh.. i didnt even see this option on that menu.. i checked everywhere else! thanks alot
[01:57] <zenrox> n/p
[01:58] <n4dr0j> :D
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: then i dont know what exacly is the problem
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> it should have work this way
[01:59] <zenrox> ZzeCoOl,  raed http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: about what?
[01:59] <zenrox> real
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have any probvlem ferris have
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:00] <zenrox> oh
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> give him the link
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> and thanx
[02:00] <zenrox> ferris,   raed http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[02:03] <ferris> zenrox, thanks. I did a chmod a+x and sudo real* and ./real* .... i just didn't do a 'sudo ./real*' that is the problem
[02:03] <ferris> thanks
[02:03] <zenrox> n/p
[02:03] <zenrox> 2 down 4 more to go
[02:03] <zenrox> for my daily quota
[02:05] <ZzeCoOl> ahahah
[02:05] <zenrox> hehehe
[02:05] <zenrox> it makes me feel all warm in side
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: when im trying to download real player from http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer my mozilla crash when opens the "save to" window
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> let me see know
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:06] <zenrox> ZzeCoOl, whare is is d/l to ?
[02:07] <zenrox> and mozilla or firefox
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> firefox
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> ok i found what waz the problem
[02:07] <zenrox> what was it
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> it is this stupid smb shares
[02:07] <zenrox> lol
[02:07] <zenrox> saving to the smb share
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> if the window machine is off then everything f*** up
[02:08] <zenrox> ya true
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> yes is is for a friend
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> we have a wireless network
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> 1.2 khm
[02:08] <zenrox> lol
[02:08] <zenrox> not bad
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> 1.99 mb /sec
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:08] <zenrox> kewl
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> yeah
[02:08] <zenrox> i am wired net
[02:08] <zenrox> 3 pcs and one ps2
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> we have 2 Cisco linksys WRT54GS wireless routers
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> with alchemy firmware installed
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> they rock
[02:09] <zenrox> what does that do
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> the firmware?
[02:10] <zenrox> ya
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> many new features
[02:10] <zenrox> better encription i hope
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> with eysay setup thru web interface
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: yes
[02:10] <zenrox> like linksys's
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> tripk AES
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:10] <zenrox> kewl
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> mac filtering and more
[02:11] <zenrox> it had mac filtering
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> there is an openwrt firware as well
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> you can run your own scripts there :P
[02:11] <zenrox> kewl
[02:11] <zenrox> just hope noone overwrites the firmware
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> better security and things like that
 just hope noone overwrites the firmware (????)
[02:12] <zenrox> ya remotely
[02:12] <zenrox> with the openwrt one
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> aaa
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> you cant reach the web interface from the net
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> i keep this feature closed
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> always
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> only ssh some times
[02:13] <Necrosan> stfu
[02:13] <Necrosan> idiot
[02:13] <Necrosan> hm
[02:13] <Necrosan> So I see I can make the laptop use APM
[02:13] <Necrosan> excellent
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: plz stop it and go to bed
[02:14] <izaac> :O
[02:15] <mak> hey all. can anyone help me make a link from whatever my system calls my modem to make it refer to it as /dev/modem?
[02:15] <daniels> Necrosan, ZzeCoOl: both of you, stop it.
[02:16] <mak> anyone?
[02:16] <mak> I can elaborate
[02:17] <rob0> mak, "man ln"
[02:17] <sladen> mak: sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS?? /dev/modem
[02:17] <mak> rob0, how do I find out what my system refers to my modem as currently?
[02:17] <mak> or sladen
[02:18] <sladen> mak: dmesg | grep tty
[02:18] <sladen> mak: dmesg | grep ttyS
[02:19] <mak> the worst part about this is that this is actually for my brother who i have on the phone.. and he can only test stuff by hanging up
[02:19] <mak> thanks guys let me try
[02:20] <sladen> mak: what type of modem is it?  built-in, win-modem, PCMCIA...?
[02:21] <mak> i dont think its a winmodem. apparently its being recognized by the device manager.
[02:22] <Necrosan> mak: use wvdial
[02:22] <Necrosan> works with 90% of winmodems most of the time too :)
[02:22] <Necrosan> (well it has in my experience)
[02:22] <mak> hm.. interesting
[02:22] <mak> well, the thing is that he's got netzero
[02:22] <mak> so we're trying to use their client
[02:22] <mak> unless that works with them too
[02:23] <Necrosan> netzero has a linux client?
[02:23] <mak> it does, its a .deb package
[02:23] <mak> i think for lindows
[02:23] <mak> but I'm hoping it will work with ubuntu.. and it seems to be, just having some trouble with /dev/modem
[02:26] <evildrdan> i just installed ubuntu on my toshiba tecra... everything seemed to go smooth, but after i logged in nothing happened.... no gnome splash screen ar anything like that
[02:28] <sladen> evildrdan: did you log in at a graphical screen, or a text-one ?
[02:29] <racter> is there a way to edit key shortcuts for stuff in the "applications" menu?  i want a shortcut for "run command"
[02:29] <racter> er "run application"
[02:30] <evildrdan> sladen graphical
[02:30] <randabis-wireles> updating my main box to hoary
[02:30] <randabis-wireles> :)
[02:31] <mak> sladen, what am i looking for when I do the 'dmesg | grep tty'?
[02:33] <Elk_Brad> any one know if ubuntu will work on an HP laptop that has propritery video card drivers? for winxp only?
[02:33] <racter> is there a keyboard shortcuts file?
[02:34] <evildrdan> sladen: i logged in at a graphical screen
[02:34] <daniels> Elk_Brad: depends on what sort of video card drivers
[02:34] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:34] <knoppix> help. after netconfig. browser will not com eup.
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> Elk_Brad, if it is an intel 810 chipset, then it should
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> well its an integrated video card that won't work with any version of windows except xp
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> its not an intel 810
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> model?
[02:35] <daniels> Elk_Brad: is it made by intel?
[02:35] <slackster> the cd is from the set that was sent out with the runfrom and install cd's
[02:35] <Elk_Brad> ..hold on...not intel at all
[02:35] <devscott> I have a hardware question
[02:36] <randabis-laptop> hope this hoary upgrade is less painful than it was on the laptop :p
[02:36] <rob0> Elk_Brad, "lspci" to find out what it is
[02:36] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:36] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:36] <devscott> I just got a dvd+-rw and nautilus-cd-burner will burn a dvd fine
[02:36] <slackster> oops
[02:36] <rob0> then check the X docs
[02:36] <devscott> but when I mount the sucker it doesn't show up in Computer on on the desktop
[02:36] <knoppix> what's wronmg with you slakster
[02:37] <slackster> fat fingers .. and ur problem is?
[02:37] <mak> sladen, you still there?
[02:37] <knoppix> too much work
[02:37] <slackster> ah
[02:37] <sladen> evildrdan: is this hoary or warty
[02:37] <sladen> mak: just
[02:37] <evildrdan> sladen: warty... JUST installed
[02:38] <sladen> mak: you're looking for some reference to  ''detected ... on  /dev/ttyS01''  or something
[02:38] <mak> sladen, i was wondering if there's a way to find the name of the device from the device manager
[02:38] <knoppix> Anyone notice problems with the Live Distro
[02:38] <slackster> oh well guess I'll just trash them .. I had brought them to the lug to show off .. made a great impression
[02:38] <sladen> mak: or ''loading module, foomodem on /dev/ttyS42''
[02:38] <mak> hmm... with dmesg?
[02:38] <sladen> mak: if you look in the device manager, what port does it say it is?
[02:39] <sladen> mak: dmesg shows any messages produced by the kernel
[02:39] <mak> i see. well, there doesnt seem to be a 'port'
[02:39] <sladen> mak: 'grep' filters those messages for things you're looking for, in this case, it'll be '/dev/ttyS??'
[02:40] <sladen> mak: okay.  What informatino /can/ you see (or your brother see?)
[02:40] <mak> he knows its a pci
[02:41] <mak> he can lee a 'linux.sysfs_path value
[02:41] <mak> which is something like /sys/devices/pci0000/.....
[02:41] <mak> with the ttyS and such, are you expecting the modem to have been detected during boot?
[02:42] <sladen> mak: yes
[02:42] <sladen> mak: if it knows what you're modem is, it (should) have loaded any drivers
[02:42] <mak> i see
[02:42] <tungsten> no open office on install init the program then dies?
[02:42] <sladen> mak: what is the ID string of the modem, we can find out what it is by Googling
[02:42] <sladen> mak: lspci | less
[02:43] <sladen> mak: scroll down and find the modem ('q' to quit)
[02:43] <randabis-laptop> ha 752 packages to upgrade
[02:43] <tungsten> I get the splash open office 1.1 then it hangs-up?
[02:44] <mak> ok, it finds a micromodem
[02:44] <mak> pctel inc
[02:44] <mak> and I guess that's all
[02:44] <p00p> hi, a few minutes ago my laptop crashed pretty hard (running warty) -- nothing worked at all, screen froze, but somehow ctrl-alt-del rebooted it
[02:44] <sladen> mak: or numbers of the form  XXXX:XXXX  ?
[02:44] <p00p> now it crashes when it loads X at boot
[02:44] <p00p> same thing
[02:44] <sladen> mak: eg.   8086:1234
[02:44] <mak> yes. 0000:00:04.0
[02:45] <p00p> can't change terminal, but ctrl-alt-del reboots it. and it doesn't happen until x loads
[02:45] <sladen> mak: and the ones after that
[02:45] <tungsten> it reports th it is an untitled widow OO that is
[02:45] <p00p> anyone have any suggestions on things i should take a look at?
[02:46] <mak> then it has the modem: pctel inc Hsp micromodem 56
[02:46] <mak> then (rev 02)
[02:46] <sladen> mak: you might need to do   lspci -n -v -v | less   and scroll down to the same place (00:00:04.0)
[02:47] <racter> is it safe to add like standard debian apt sources to my search?
[02:47] <crimsun> depends on how much of a headache you want
[02:48] <sladen> mak: it's a win-modem
[02:48] <rob0> I'm in the same boat ... found a whole bunch of things I want but are not in universe.
[02:48] <sladen> mak: if you search no Google for   pctel inc hsp micromodem linux
[02:48] <sladen> mak: there's two howtos
[02:48] <mak> class 0703:  134D:7897
[02:49] <randabis-laptop> heh dist-upgrade goes much faster with more mhz :p
[02:49] <sladen> mak: it looks like the drivers might not be in ubuntu by default (and if they are, they'll be in "restricted"
[02:49] <mak> i see. so.. what do you think? in this case?
[02:50] <sladen> mak: can you file a bug on   http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  saying the modem is detected/supported  giving all the details you've typed so far "pctel inc..." and "134d:7897" and a link to the howtos and the download site and  linmodems.tachnin...  (it's in the howto)
[02:51] <Elk_Brad> im looking up the video card info now..its been a while since i looked into it, but i'll get back in a min
[02:51] <sladen> mak: and set the CC to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:51] <crimsun> racter: / rob0: if you're experienced with pinning, then it's manageable
[02:51] <sladen> mak: my battery is flat.  nn
[02:51] <crimsun> racter: / rob0: if you aren't, don't bother - unless you really like banging your head against a brick edifice
[02:51] <mak> nn?
[02:51] <Suzie12345> How would I go about installilng xmms and mplayer, and the codecs for them and tht?
[02:52] <sladen> mak: night night
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> uh oh
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> whar's me gnome panels? lol
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> they never loaded
[02:52] <mak> oh ok. thanks sladen for all your help
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> I'll reboot
[02:52] <rob0> pinning?
[02:52] <evildrdan> i just installed ubuntu on my toshiba tecra... everything seemed to go smooth, but after i logged in nothing happened.... no gnome splash screen ar anything like that
[02:53] <rob0> crimsun, in Slackware I compile things with checkinstall, but that's different since there is no dependency database.
[02:53] <tritium> Hmm, 2.6.10-5 is acting strange after a lid closure
[02:53] <rob0> s/compile/install/
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> how can i restart samba?
[02:55] <rob0> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#mono <-- looks like it might be applicable
[02:55] <crimsun> rob0: checkinstall is quite a hack
[02:57] <Suzie12345> Why would my sudo apt-get update not work?
[02:58] <mcphail> Suzie12345: have you checked out http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:58] <froust> Does anyone know how to get a usb drive functioning in ubuntu?
[02:59] <Suzie12345> thanks
[02:59] <crimsun> froust: should just work
[03:00] <froust> hmm.
[03:00] <froust> where do i find it then?
[03:06] <Elk_Brad> i found out what it was its a Trident Cyber Blade
[03:07] <Elk_Brad> so does Ubuntu support that chipset?
[03:07] <daniels> yes
[03:07] <rob0> KDE/XFCE let me switch desktops with Ctrl-FX ... how is that done in GNOME? Not finding it in the user guide :(
[03:07] <bob2> rob0: set it to whatever you want in computer -> desktop preferences -> key bindings
[03:07] <Elk_Brad> its a CyberBlade Xp version...are you sure?
[03:08] <Elk_Brad> i had problems when installed 98 on it
[03:08] <Elk_Brad> 98 didn't have drivers for it ...of course
[03:09] <daniels> Elk_Brad: as far as I know, it works fine
[03:10] <rob0> Woohoo! TY bob2 :)
[03:10] <Elk_Brad> i hope so, that way i can make some use out of it....i don't know why but the battery only lasts 30 mins
[03:12] <keith__> good morning/evening all
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> evening keith
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> anyone here have Earthlink as an ISP?
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> i feel like giving credits out today
[03:13] <racter> i'm having trouble figuring out how to edit the gnome menus.  any tips?
[03:13] <rob0> Elk_Brad, I used to, on cable now :)
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> right-click works heh
[03:13] <bob2> racter: applications:/// in nautilus
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> that too
[03:14] <Elk_Brad> earthlink offers DSL,CABLE,SAT even Powerline
[03:14] <racter> i've tried that, but it says"applications:/// is not a valid location"
[03:14] <rob0> not where I am, Comcast is the only one. :(
[03:14] <randabis-laptop> try
[03:14] <randabis-laptop> nautilus applications:/// in an xterm
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> rob0: we offer cable with comcast
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> rob0: you said : man lsusb right?
[03:15] <bob2> Elk_Brad: this seems a bit off-topic
[03:15] <mcphail> racter: right click on an application and select "add item to panel" etc
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> maybe but im always happy to offer fellow 'people' freebiees
[03:16] <Elk_Brad> rob0: did i remember correctly ?
[03:16] <big> yo
[03:17] <big> i need help on my game pls?
[03:17] <rob0> Elk_Brad, yes, that was me
[03:18] <Elk_Brad> rob0: if i find software on my mandrake 8.2 cds can i install them on ubuntu with the package installer?
[03:18] <bob2> no
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> lol
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> don't do that
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> haha
[03:18] <Elk_Brad> ...
[03:18] <big> i need help on my game pls?
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> what could possibly be on that cd that you can't get with apt?
[03:19] <Elk_Brad> um..i don't have internet at home so im stuck with looking for software on other distros to use with this one
[03:19] <bob2> big: you need to ask a question before someone can help you
[03:19] <rob0> Elk_Brad, things are compiled against different libraries and possibly with different settings, like paths.
[03:19] <bob2> Elk_Brad: maybe Earthlink can hook you up for free?
[03:20] <big> can aney one help me?
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> bob2: earthlink is a third party ISP, i only get dial up for free, and i am currently unable to use it all the time
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> big: whats wrong?
[03:20] <superkitty> Big what ya need?
[03:20] <big> do aney one have a ps2?
[03:20] <bob2> Elk_Brad: well, your mandrake cds are useless on ubuntu, sorry.
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> big: yes
[03:20] <bob2> big: this is an Ubuntu channell...try #playstation or something.
[03:21] <randabis-laptop> yeah i have a ps2, but that's a bit off-topic don't ya think?
[03:21] <Necrosan> big's a troll.
[03:21] <rob0> I have a thinkpad, more mobile than a PS/2 ;)
[03:21] <Elk_Brad> maybe he is trying to network his PS2 to his box with ubuntu ? (^o^;)
[03:22] <superkitty> anyone using KDE?
[03:22] <randabis-laptop> lol
[03:22] <randabis-laptop> eww kde
[03:22] <Elk_Brad> i think KDE uses too much resources
[03:22] <Elk_Brad> memory hog
[03:22] <bob2> and so does gnome
[03:23] <bob2> but this is also off-topic
[03:23] <rob0> bob2, what about using Debian source debs and building them, is that not safe on Ubuntu?
[03:23] <superkitty> Bob2 what5 do you use?
[03:23] <rob0> See, I need a lot of apps which are apparently not in universe.
[03:23] <randabis-laptop> dist-upgrade is going well so far
[03:23] <froust> does anyone know how to get a usb flash drive working?
[03:24] <bob2> rob0: tht's safe
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> froust: i had same problem
[03:24] <superkitty> froust mine is plugnplay
[03:24] <bob2> froust: you just plug it in
[03:24] <froust> i did just plug it in
[03:24] <bob2> froust: if it has a hfs or ntfs filesystem, then you'll hit a bug in warty
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> well i can't use mine on ubuntu
[03:24] <froust> i'm in hoary
[03:24] <froust> it's fat16
[03:24] <bob2> froust: then perhaps it's broken.  what does the bts say?
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> so is mine
[03:24] <superkitty> froust i am using warty and it works fine
[03:24] <rattboi> damn, I need to update my ubuntu
[03:25] <froust> Elk: you didn't fix it?
[03:25] <rattboi> when's the next stable out?
[03:25] <froust> couldn't fix it rather
[03:25] <randabis-laptop> april
[03:25] <Elk_Brad> mine can't be broken since it works on XP
[03:25] <froust> bob2: bts?
[03:25] <froust> yeah... mine works on fc2
[03:25] <bob2> froust: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <froust> and why does my menu (applications/system/places) keep freezing?
[03:26] <bob2> froust: when you login?
[03:26] <froust> no
[03:26] <froust> right now
[03:27] <Necrosan> bob2: you use ubuntu/ppc?
[03:27] <bob2> Necrosan: yes
[03:27] <Necrosan> bob2: Any good?
[03:27] <bob2> Necrosan: excellent.
[03:27] <bob2> except for broadcom's silliness, I'd be completely happy.
[03:27] <Necrosan> do you also use MoL?
[03:28] <bob2> nope.
[03:28] <Necrosan> heh, i don't got an airport extreme, so :)
[03:28] <Necrosan> darn
[03:28] <Necrosan> Ever try MoL?
[03:28] <bob2> it panic'd my kernel once
[03:29] <Necrosan> oh..
[03:29] <Necrosan> Do you plan to try Tiger out of curiosity?
[03:29] <bob2> don't think that's a common occurence, tho
[03:29] <bob2> it sounds like it will cost a fair bit of money, so probably not
[03:31] <tritium> I wonder who the first person to put ubuntu on a minimac will be...
[03:32] <dreamer>  /me wonders why you would want to replace such an outstanding os with linux...
[03:32] <randabis-laptop> wow
[03:33] <randabis-laptop> that dist-upgrade was absolutely painless
[03:33] <randabis-laptop> :)
[03:33] <p00p> hi, a few minutes ago my laptop crashed pretty hard (running warty) -- nothing worked at all, screen froze, but somehow ctrl-alt-del rebooted it, and now when it loads X at boot it does the same thing. /var/log/XFree86.0.log lists "Fatal server error: lockup"
[03:33] <p00p> any suggestions/
[03:33] <p00p> ?
[03:35] <bob2> p00p: are you using propprietary X drivers?
[03:36] <p00p> bob2: uhh, i don't think so -- i didn't install any, i know that
[03:38] <p00p> heh is there anything short of format i can do about this?
[03:38] <rob0> dreamer, if I had a Mac I'd run Linux ... http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/philosophy.html :)
[03:38] <bob2> p00p: how would reformatting help?
[03:39] <p00p> bob2: worked before
[03:39] <p00p> bob2: i ran ubuntu for a few months successfully, this is a pretty fresh install
[03:39] <tritium> p00p, what video card do you have?
[03:39] <rob0> p00p, login to a text terminal, ctrl-alt-FX (X=1 thru 6)
[03:39] <p00p> rob0: can't change terminal -- already tried
[03:40] <p00p> tritium: it's onboard intel something or other, let me check
[03:40] <rob0> reminds me, I need to disable the gdm login
[03:41] <dreamer> rob0: I can't argue if it's your ideology ;)
[03:41] <p00p> tritium: intel 82852/855GM onboard
[03:41] <Necrosan> dreamer: I'd never install linux on my mac, heh.
[03:41] <Necrosan> OSX 4 lyfe
[03:41] <Necrosan> I get cool games too. :D
[03:41] <dreamer> ditto ;)
[03:41] <bob2> anyway.
[03:41] <AndyFitz> Necrosan: not even dual boot ?
[03:41] <Necrosan> maybe id throw a spare old hdd in to try linux out on it
[03:42] <Necrosan> but id never actually use it.. its pointless for me.
[03:42] <Necrosan> I got a UNIX based OS already. :)
[03:42] <AndyFitz> programs run kinda sluggish under x11 I've noticed
[03:42] <dreamer> I'd usually use it as an alternative to windows for specific tasks
[03:42] <Necrosan> I don't really use any linux stuff..
[03:42] <dreamer> and a mac would already fill that role
[03:42] <AndyFitz> I'm sure if I get a mac ill run dual boot .  osx for home  gnome for work
[03:43] <Necrosan> AndyFitz: I bet once you get used to OSX you won't need to.
[03:43] <Necrosan> And with all the recent releases of stuff... why would you want to?
[03:43] <dreamer> if I wanted to use linux stuff on osx I'd probably just run the included x server and mac binaries ;)
[03:43] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[03:43] <bob2> lots of people feel the opposite way
[03:44] <dreamer> it's not exactly a heated argument
[03:44] <Elk_Brad> well bob2 you got that right
[03:44] <AndyFitz> Necrosan,  I am used to OSX  and I love it .  but inkscape , scribus gimp and gaim  and other programs I use all the time for work being sluggy is bloody irritating .     id want them to perform natively and best while I'm using them
[03:44] <randabis> hoary upgrade on main box is a complete success :p
[03:44] <AndyFitz> at home..  bring on the fire, itunes etc
[03:44] <Necrosan> AndyFitz: Dunno what most of those are. But check out www.adiumx.com
[03:45] <superkitty> randabis do you worry about it being unstalbe
[03:45] <froust> somehow my hoary install got stuck in 640x480
[03:45] <superkitty> unstable
[03:45] <froust> anyone have any idea why?
[03:45] <bob2> Elk_Brad: if you mean 'op', there are lots
[03:45] <bob2> froust: using nvidia?
[03:45] <Elk_Brad> yes an operator
[03:45] <Elk_Brad> anyone on jabber?
[03:45] <froust> bob: ati
[03:45] <nevyn> sure
[03:46] <AndyFitz> I am
[03:46] <dreamer> in general or ops?
[03:46] <Elk_Brad> anyone that has jabber also want to talk to me there , i prefer it there, and is there a room made for ubuntu?
[03:47] <AndyFitz> Necrosan,  yeah I've got no hassles with IM applications . and would use whatever.  but I do love the evolution gaim integration :)   like I said .  osx for play  gnome for work
[03:48] <dreamer> AndyFitz: and for sure, if you're comfortable with your tools, and productive - why change? especially if the alternative isn't so free ;)
[03:49] <froust> AHA!!!
[03:49] <froust> I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT
[03:50] <Elk_Brad> what froust? your usb flash drive?
[03:51] <enntee> I'm having a problem with hotplug. At random intervals, my mouse cursor freezes. If I open up a terminal and run "hotplug restart", everything is peachy again. Any thoughts?
[03:51] <froust> NO
[03:51] <froust> my resolution thing.. but i didn't
[03:52] <Elk_Brad> oh...
[03:52] <yojimbosan> Does tasksel work for Ubuntu? I installed a box without X, and want to put it on there now ...
[03:52] <big> ho hnows or have a http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/onimusha_3_a.txt ?
[03:53] <p00p> what's the best method for reinstalling xfree86?
[03:53] <bob2> yojimbosan: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a good package to get
[03:54] <yojimbosan> cool :-)
[03:54] <VR^> i'm still having problems with my cable modem, can't connect
[03:54] <randabis> froust probably your x.org config file
[03:55] <randabis> make sure horizontal and vertical syncs are set
[03:55] <bob2> you don't need to set them
[03:55] <randabis> sometimes it doesn't add them for some reason
[03:55] <AndyFitz> dreamer, totally agree mate.
[03:55] <dreamer> I rather like the look of pages .. hmmmm
[03:55] <AndyFitz> speaking of macs that evolution ipod integration looks pretty sweet
[03:55] <randabis> bob2 I had the same problem as him, and adding that to the config file fixed the problem
[03:56] <dreamer> randabis: oh yeah I had to do that to get 1280x1024 to work heh
[03:56] <randabis> 	HorizSync	30-65
[03:56] <randabis> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[03:56] <randabis> that fixed it for me
[03:56] <AndyFitz> http://nat.org/2005/january/evo-ipod.png
[03:56] <AndyFitz> /me drools
[03:57] <randabis> heh
[03:57] <dreamer> nice
[03:57] <dreamer> currently I have to go through the pain of bluetooth and outlook to get such information onto my cellphone
[03:57] <yojimbosan> thanks bob2, that's 500M download (of course, the CD isn't here when I want it!) so I'll come back in a little while to tell you that it worked ... :-)
[04:00] <p00p> what should i do if xfree86 crashed while running and now crashes at boot?
[04:03] <dreamer> wish I could help
[04:03] <dreamer> you couldn't try updating it with apt-get or something?
[04:03] <big> i need help?
[04:04] <yojimbosan> p00p - look in /var/log/XFree86-* for clues. Then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to try different video modes
[04:04] <bob2> big: please; ps2 is not on-topic here.
[04:05] <p00p> yojimbosan: "Fatal server error: lockup" in the log, i'll try dpkg-reconfigure now
[04:05] <bob2> p00p: try asking on the list
[04:05] <p00p> heh i don't really have the patience for that.. i'll just wipe it and reinstall if it comes to that
[04:06] <big> yttt
[04:06] <big> ty
[04:06] <yojimbosan> p00p - reconfigure won't help if you don't know what you want to try
[04:06] <yojimbosan> do you get any video output? I guess you do ... so changing video drivers won't help.
[04:06] <p00p> the mouse pointer flicks on for a second
[04:06] <p00p> then disappears
[04:07] <p00p> the screen will go back and forth a little bit from being totally black to being illuminated black
[04:07] <yojimbosan> perhaps try running lower resolution for a while. use "lspci" to confirm that you have the right video card selected.
[04:07] <p00p> yojimbosan: everything was working up until x randomly crashed, do you think those settings could have somehow changed?
[04:08] <yojimbosan> possible, but unlikely
[04:08] <yojimbosan> you might have a genuine hardware issue?
[04:08] <dreamer> I was wondering that also
[04:08] <p00p> i don't think so
[04:08] <p00p> the live cd works
[04:08] <yojimbosan> ok, that was a good test
[04:08] <p00p> heh i was hoping for a "broken x, use this to fix" option on the menu :(
[04:08] <randabis> haha weird problem
[04:09] <randabis> I'm trying to install new themes
[04:09] <yojimbosan> Is it possible to steal the XF86Config file from the live CD when it's running, and use that?
[04:09] <randabis> but it keeps telling me I don't have permission
[04:09] <tritium> p00p, you're using XFree on Hoary, and not X.org?
[04:10] <p00p> tritium: warty
[04:11] <tritium> okay, just checking
[04:11] <randabis> so..anybody have any ideas?
[04:12] <randabis> perhaps I should run the theme proggy as root...but I don't see why I would need to be root to add themes
[04:13] <randabis> lol I can't even CHANGE my theme
[04:13] <skreet> How do I share a printer with a windows machine?
[04:13] <randabis> I think this might be a hoary problem
[04:13] <enntee> Are there any decent gnome music player alternatives to rhythmbox?
[04:13] <randabis> xmms, vlc
[04:13] <hypa7ia> beep!
[04:13] <p00p> i just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it seems to be working now... wtf
[04:13] <skreet> How do I share a printer with a windows machine? Anyone?
[04:14] <p00p> skreet: is the printer hooked UP to the windows machine?
[04:14] <skreet> Nope, its on this computer.
[04:14] <skreet> I want the windows machine to be able to print to my *nix box
[04:14] <skreet> :D
[04:14] <p00p> oh sorry i haven't done that, i would imagine using samba though
[04:14] <randabis> yeah you use samba
[04:14] <randabis> I did it before
[04:15] <p00p> you could do it other ways like with cups i think, but i don't really know
[04:15] <randabis> well actually I didn't
[04:15] <randabis> nevermind lol
[04:15] <yojimbosan> p00p ; good news. :-) no idea why that worked, though!
[04:15] <p00p> well i changed one option
[04:15] <p00p> the rest i left default, i think
[04:15] <yojimbosan> and the option was?
[04:16] <p00p> ahh here we go, i had to run it agian to look, lol
[04:16] <yojimbosan> skreet: install samba - that will share your printers when configured right.
[04:16] <p00p> kernel framebuffer device -- i picked yes because the description said yes was the safe bet
[04:16] <p00p> but no was the default
[04:16] <randabis> so anybody know why I wouldn't be able to change or install themes?
[04:16] <skreet> samba isnt included with ubuntu?
[04:16] <p00p> skreet: apt-get install samba
[04:16] <randabis> it is included, but not installed by default
[04:16] <tritium> skreet, it's available
[04:17] <skreet> Okay I"m isntalling "samba"
[04:17] <yojimbosan> it's on the CD :-) just not installed unless you ask for it
[04:17] <yojimbosan> randabis - what were you trying to do, and how?
[04:17] <skreet> How do I start "samba" is there a GUI for it?
[04:18] <yojimbosan> no GUI, it's a system service.
[04:18] <randabis> what do you mean?
[04:18] <skreet> Alright let me google this, Thanks for the help guys.
[04:18] <yojimbosan> randabis: I meant, how were you trying to install a theme?
[04:18] <randabis> with the theme manager in Desktop --> Preferences --> Theme
[04:19] <superkitty> Rand have you any problems with Hoary?
[04:19] <randabis> not really...except this theme problem
[04:19] <yojimbosan> can you change between themes already present?
[04:19] <randabis> no
[04:19] <yojimbosan> error msg?
[04:20] <randabis> no
[04:20] <jintonic> hmm... i just installed phpbb via apt-get but its not setup to my apache server
[04:20] <randabis> except when I try to install themes
[04:20] <superkitty> randabis why did you upgrade?
[04:20] <randabis> it says I have insufficient permissions
[04:20] <yojimbosan> did you get prompted for a password before running the Themes app?
[04:20] <randabis> superkitty because I wanted to be bleeding edge
[04:20] <randabis> no I didn't
[04:20] <jintonic> ah! nevermind... i guess its just shortcutted somehow
[04:21] <StolenShoeBox> can someone send me a link to the Macworld 2005 keynote. I want to watch it but when I go to the site I cant. (no quicktime)
[04:21] <yojimbosan> randabis: try from a terminal session "sudo gnome-theme-manager"
[04:22] <superkitty> randabis not worried about breakages?
[04:22] <randabis> still giving me the insufficient permissions error
[04:22] <poot> i'm trying to install k3b but a menu keeps telling me cdrecord and cdrdao don't run with root privileges. what do I do?
[04:22] <randabis> superkitty not really
[04:22] <randabis> this is weird
[04:23] <randabis> it wouldn't change themes either
[04:23] <telewazit> i have a dual boot system. windows won't boot from grub. i've looked in the ubuntu forums and couldn't find anything that told me how to fix it
[04:23] <telewazit> please help
[04:23] <randabis> I think this may be a 2.9.4 bug or maybe a hoary bug
[04:23] <yojimbosan> OK, then the app probably has a fault, it's not permissions based. searched bugzilla?
[04:23] <randabis> I'll search now
[04:24] <randabis> and if it isn't in there I'll file a bug
[04:24] <telewazit> one forum thread said change root (hd0,0) to the correct partition
[04:25] <telewazit> but i'm pretty sure (hd0,0) IS the correct partition
[04:25] <telewazit> windows in installed on the first hard drive
[04:26] <yojimbosan> telewazit: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view might help?
[04:26] <yojimbosan> actually, it probably won't, sorry
[04:27] <yojimbosan> http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/ would be better
[04:28] <mcphail> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[04:28] <mcphail> # on /dev/hda1
[04:28] <mcphail> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:28] <mcphail> root            (hd0,0)
[04:28] <mcphail> savedefault
[04:28] <mcphail> makeactive
[04:28] <mcphail> chainloader     +1
[04:28] <mcphail> Add this to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:28] <randabis> argh
[04:29] <randabis> use #flood
[04:29] <telewazit> mcphail: it's already there
[04:29] <telewazit> it was working before
[04:29] <telewazit> now it's not
[04:29] <tritium> telewazit, did you change your LBA setting in the BIOS setup?
[04:29] <poot> anybody use k3b in here?
[04:30] <pdkl> mcphail,  the problem is most likely you do not have lba enabled on the harddrive
[04:30] <telewazit> tritium: i never touch any of that stuff in the bios
[04:30] <telewazit> it was working
[04:30] <tritium> is LBA enabled?
[04:30] <AndyFitz> poot:  I did but then I updated hoary now it won't install
[04:30] <telewazit> i havenot changed the bios
[04:30] <pdkl> heh
[04:30] <tritium> okay, but often, Windows won't boot from grub unless LBA is enabled
[04:30] <telewazit> tritium: i have not changed the bios - it was working
[04:31] <poot> what do you use to burn with AndyFitz?
[04:31] <telewazit> now it is not
[04:31] <tritium> okay, I'm just letting you know
[04:32] <AndyFitz> k3blibs: Depends: libflac++2c102  but it is not installable
[04:32] <AndyFitz> heh.  it was working not a week ago and now the update removed it :-/
[04:32] <AndyFitz> poot:  I use/d k3b
[04:32] <gusto> hi, I'm unable to su, how do  fix this?
[04:32] <AndyFitz> gusto:  sudo -s
[04:32] <telewazit> tritium: for reasons i won't go into here, i had to do a grub-install via a mandrake rescue disk. it worked. i got grub back and ubuntu boots fine. but now windows won't boot
[04:33] <gusto> AndyFitz: thanks
[04:33] <poot> AndyFitz: did you have any problems installing it before? I keep getting a system configuration problems menu
[04:34] <telewazit> these setting look correct but when i select windows at the grub menu the screen blinks, briefly shows the contents of the menu.lst then bounces me back to the menu
[04:34] <tritium> telewazit, that's exactly what happens when LBA is not enabled.  it's at least worth checking your settings once
[04:35] <telewazit> tritium: ok, thank you. i'll check. but that would be really strange considering i didn't touch the bios
[04:36] <mcphail> The mandrake disk may well have caused this wrt LBA. Bug in early kernel 2.6 / QTParted wasn't it?
[04:36] <telewazit> mcphail: mandrake changed the bios???
[04:37] <poot> I just want to install k3b but I need a stinking root password and I can't figure it out? what the hell?
[04:37] <telewazit> i didn't know it could do that
[04:37] <mcphail> It changes how the geometry is reported.  I don't have a clue what that means
[04:38] <telewazit> mcphail: so you're saying i shouldn't change the LBA settings?
[04:39] <telewazit> mcphail: how am i supposed to fix it?
[04:39] <mcphail> Not until you google. I think there was a good tutorial on the Mandrake or Fedora fora
[04:39] <Zepp> Does ubuntu support dbus/hal/automounting etc out of the box or do you have to set that up on your own?
[04:40] <Zepp> Oh so you have to setup yourself eh. Ok I was just curious :)
[04:40] <telewazit> mcphail: what am i supposed to be looking for?
[04:41] <Zepp> Looking for a easier to setup less work on my part for family comp distro :P
[04:41] <poot> why won't anyone help me?
[04:42] <crimsun> poot: it's a faq on the web site
[04:42] <tritium> poot, there is no root password until you set one.  It's an FAQ.  Read them.
[04:42] <pdkl> poot, there
[04:42] <pdkl> nm tritium answered it ;)
[04:42] <pdkl> poot, use sudo apt-get install <package>
[04:43] <pdkl> and the sudo password is your user password
[04:43] <mcphail> telewazit: google: fedora lba geometry gives results. Try http://www.ces.clemson.edu/linux/fc2.shtml for a start
[04:44] <telewazit> mcphail: thanks
[04:45] <tritium> telewazit, and you'll see that one of the fixes is to set LBA in your BIOS
[04:47] <mcphail> I think that it is important to set LBA before you run into the problem. Not sure it fixes things after the event.
[04:48] <telewazit> crap, this is uncomfortably complicated
[04:48] <tritium> mcphail, I've seen it fix after the fact.  Earlier today, as a matter of fact.
[04:48] <mcphail> Fortunately, I didn't have the problem
[04:49] <skreet> What do you guys recommend for playing DVD movies?
[04:49] <telewazit> a dvd player
[04:49] <rattboi> lol
[04:49] <dreamer> helpful comment of the day goes to: telewazit
[04:49] <dreamer> somebody give that man a cookie
[04:49] <skreet> Wow.
[04:49] <chewvl> lol
[04:49] <telewazit> seriously, watch dvds on even windows is a pain
[04:49] <skreet> That was helpful. I'm going to buy a DVD player right now..
[04:49] <skreet> No it's not.
[04:49] <dreamer> I use media player classic in windows, no idea in linux
[04:50] <skreet> I open MPC and it works like a charm
[04:50] <skreet> :D
[04:50] <skreet> apparently mplayer is the way to go but no .deb to be found.
[04:50] <skreet> alien causes issues :(
[04:50] <mcphail> skreet: http:ubuntuguide.org/
[04:51] <telewazit> skreet: do a search on the WIKI
[04:51] <chewvl> skreet: doesn't the marillat repo has a .deb for MPlayer?
[04:51] <skreet> Not sure I dont think I'm using that repo, do you have the info for it?
[04:51] <chewvl> wait
[04:51] <crimsun> that repo is broken for Warty
[04:51] <skreet> Oh is it?
[04:52] <mcphail> Works for me
[04:52] <stuNNed> works here as well
[04:52] <skreet> I'll try it out, wanna hook me up with the info?
[04:52] <stuNNed> on warty
[04:52] <chewvl> skreet: # Marillat's repository for acidrip, acroread, acroread-debian-files, acroread-$deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:52] <skreet> Thank ya.
[04:52] <crimsun> mplayer is installable from that repo?
[04:53] <crimsun> I thought Christian rebuilt everything against newer Sid packages.
[04:53] <stuNNed> afaik think so
[04:53] <chewvl> nps but blame everybody else, blame your cat but not me if anything goes horribly wrong ;)
[04:53] <stuNNed> could be wrong though
[04:53] <stuNNed> crimsun, i'll fire up laptop and check, one sec
[04:53] <skreet> is it a binary or source repo?
[04:53] <chewvl> skreet: binary
[04:55] <skreet> okay i can select mplayer but it gives me all kind of "requires dep * but is not going to be installed."
[04:55] <skreet> :\\
[04:55] <skreet> ouch had a couple problems doing a reload to: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net warty/unstable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_warty_unstable_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:56] <chewvl> hmm skreet could you not have Totem or gxine play the stuff you want played with MPlyer?
[04:56] <skreet> Totem didnt want to play any of the .vob files :(
[04:56] <stuNNed> crimsun, yep, broken, sorry about that
[04:56] <stuNNed> skreet, seems broken with warty
[04:56] <mcphail> libdvdcss2 installed?
[04:56] <stuNNed> skreet, what's wrong with totem-xine?
[04:56] <chewvl> skreet: ahh I think it is a codec issue then, not just the player
[04:57] <skreet> I isntalled all the dvd player options to my knowledge, any suggestions which ones i need?
[04:57] <skreet> And which .vob do I open to start the menu :\
[04:58] <skreet> I love how Go > DVD Menu is grayed out but it sits there to HAUNT me :P
[04:58] <mcphail> skreet: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[04:59] <chewvl> skreet: inTotem, there's an option to -> 'Play Disc' use that
[04:59] <skreet> I do and it launches the open files dialog which confused me :(
[05:00] <chewvl> hmmm doesn't HAL + D-Bus handles everything automagically? Most of me dvds play ok i.e. 'Play Disc' and go. Albeit they are all pr0n :X
[05:01] <skreet> So I installed that css2..
[05:01] <skreet> and still the same behavior, do I need to do anything else? :P
[05:01] <chewvl> skreet: yeah install that if you haven't done so already
[05:01] <skreet> yep it's all set.
[05:01] <skreet> still no luck with totem
[05:01] <stuNNed> skreet, you can get libdvdcss and w32codecs from marillats repo afaik
[05:02] <randabis> or just get it by default in hoary :p
[05:02] <chewvl> hmm what about clicking on indvl .vob file, does that play anything?
[05:02] <randabis> err
[05:02] <skreet> Totem could not play 'file:///media/cdrom1/VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB'.
[05:02] <skreet> Failed to open; reason unknown
[05:02] <randabis> I mean in multiverse
[05:02] <skreet> It plays an error dialog ! :D
[05:02] <skreet> Which is a fair bit less entertaining than the cunning with of Futurama.
[05:02] <skreet> *witt
[05:03] <skreet> *wit?
[05:03] <mcphail> Have you killed all totem and restarted?
[05:03] <chewvl> yeah if everything else fails, perhaps hoary is the answer but that is assuming you already have the w32codecs and dvdcss installed
[05:03] <randabis> oops
[05:03] <skreet> I just tried a killall but no lingering procs
[05:03] <randabis> hoary doesn't have those nvm
[05:04] <AndyFitz> yeah both xine and mplayer arent playing some of my divx
[05:04] <AndyFitz> in hoary whereas it was all good in warty
[05:04] <skreet> hey man one video problem at a time :D
[05:04] <skreet> is hoary buggy? do i have to reformat? :\
[05:04] <chewvl> nah...be it warty or hoary one still has to have both of those packages installed to play proprietary video/audio formats
[05:05] <skreet> dvd is pretty standard i'm surprised to see this little support in linux.
[05:05] <AndyFitz> hehe :) yeah I appreciate that you have to install totem-xine.  but its not doing its job
[05:05] <chewvl> skreet: strange...they play well on both me Ubuntu and Debian Sid systems hmm
[05:06] <mindphasr> skreet: Its a proprietory standard that has as much support in linux than anyone else. Download the same codecs and pick a player. it's simple
[05:06] <skreet> I'm not using totem-xine.
[05:06] <skreet> I'm using totem that came with Ubuntu, should I get the totem-xine package?
[05:06] <chewvl> skreet: no harm installing me guess
[05:07] <skreet> i'll give it a shot
[05:07] <skreet> you're using totem-xine on both machines?
[05:07] <zenrox> i just use xine or gxine
[05:07] <skreet> Well now I got a different crappy errors
[05:08] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[05:08] <zenrox> hello
[05:08] <chewvl> skreet: do you have /usr/bin/gst-register-0.6 or/and /usr/bin/gst-register-0.8? Run that
[05:08] <skreet> it would be a far better evening if my dvd playback worked. :D
[05:08] <skreet> should be 0.8 let me run it.
[05:08] <chewvl> you have to update the plugins every now and then
[05:09] <telewazit> that LBA thing didn't help
[05:09] <skreet> I have both chewvl. Which should I run?
[05:09] <chewvl> both
[05:09] <chewvl> then try again...keep your fingers crossed that is ;)
[05:09] <telewazit> i guess i'm going to have to rewrite the MBR with fixmbr - again
[05:09] <skreet> Meh didnt help...
[05:09] <skreet> :(
[05:09] <skreet> Got me all excited.
[05:09] <skreet> Is there a reason it's mounted /cdrom, do I have to mount a DVD different?
[05:10] <mcphail> no
[05:10] <chewvl> hmmm...this is strange...all me pr0n dvd titles played well hmmm
[05:10] <zenrox> chewvl,  mine too
[05:10] <chewvl> zenrox: ;)
[05:10] <zenrox> hehehe
[05:11] <skreet> OH WTF
[05:12] <skreet> chewvl, for the hell of it i tried sudo gxine
[05:12] <telewazit> so my partition tables are some how mangled... then why does windows bott at all when i use fixmbr?
[05:12] <skreet> Works like a dream.
[05:12] <telewazit> *boot
[05:12] <skreet> Now I have to figure out how to get this working 100%
[05:12] <chewvl> skreet: and you can run it that way?
[05:12] <skreet> yes.
[05:12] <skreet> :(
[05:12] <skreet> any ideas what libs i need to chmod/own?
[05:13] <skreet> Man linux isnt good at multitasking while video/games are running though :P
[05:13] <chewvl> hmmm is not normal user already added to audio, video, cdrom....?
[05:13] <skreet> Actually this is running kinda skippy period.
[05:14] <skreet> I can access the drives no problem
[05:14] <skreet> but the codecs wont load..?
[05:16] <skreet> wow to be honest, all the lag i was getting in gxine is gone in totem
[05:16] <skreet> good to know.
[05:16] <stuNNed> is there any way to downgrade to warty?
[05:16] <skreet> dist-downgrade? :P
[05:17] <stuNNed> n/m found it in the wiki :P
[05:17] <chewvl> skreet: if you have totem-xine, w32codecs, libdvdread3, libdvdread3-dev, libdvdnav-dev, libdvdnav4, libdvdplay0, libdvdplay0-dev, libdvdcss2, libdvdcss2-dev installed...I don't know what else you need hmmm
[05:17] <Guardiann> stunned not happy with hoary?
[05:18] <skreet> chewvl, No it's working under root
[05:18] <skreet> so it's just a chmod needed on some file.
[05:19] <chewvl> is user e.g. skreet already added to groups 'audio','video' what have you?
[05:19] <skreet> I think so, not sure.
[05:19] <HostingGeek> skreet: linux is good at mutli task no matter what you are doing
[05:19] <skreet> Any idea how to reduce general slowdown while watching a DVD
[05:19] <chewvl> of and the group cdrom too
[05:19] <skreet> HostingGeek, Well, apparently not.
[05:20] <skreet> HostingGeek, Any advice on how I can improve the lagginess while using a game or dvd in a window
[05:20] <skreet> It's pretty bad.
[05:20] <HostingGeek> skreet: then you know nothing on how multi tasking works on linux
[05:20] <HostingGeek> skreet: blame gstreamer
[05:20] <skreet> HostingGeek, You're really helpful, thanks.
[05:21] <stuNNed> Guardiann, totem is broken is the main thing, gconf error or something
[05:21] <HostingGeek> gstreamer is really bug right now i sudgest to down grade a version
[05:21] <stuNNed> Guardiann, and would rather just use stable
[05:21] <skreet> HostingGeek, Hm. Can I just bypass it?
[05:21] <skreet> HostingGeek, Not use gstreamer at all?
[05:21] <HostingGeek> and not hear anything or be able to play any vidoes... yes
[05:22] <skreet> haha
[05:22] <skreet> There was video playback before gstreamer.
[05:22] <HostingGeek> gstreamer decodes everything now
[05:22] <skreet> even on non-gnome systems?
[05:22] <HostingGeek> totem-xine is dropped
[05:22] <HostingGeek> skreet: yes its a freedesktop standard
[05:22] <HostingGeek> kde uses it already
[05:23] <skreet> Heh, okay.
[05:23] <skreet> It's been a bit since I've done the linux thing.
[05:23] <skreet> Although I'm very impressed right now.
[05:23] <skreet> Lots of good improvments, especially in video/gaming support.
[05:23] <HostingGeek> lots of distros.....
[05:27] <randabis> heh seems my problem with installing themes is occurring with a lot of people using hoary
[05:28] <stuNNed> Guardiann, and /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd disappeared :P
[05:28] <Guardiann> :)
[05:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: what packages did mplayer-586 [for warty]  choke on?
[05:29] <stuNNed> crimsun, libarts0, libfrididi0, libggi2, libungif4g
[05:29] <HostingGeek> bob2: wtf is up with this page http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-distros.en.html where are the debian based distros?
[05:31] <bob2> HostingGeek: submit a patch.
[05:31] <HostingGeek> bob2: where?
[05:32] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'm backporting it from hoary; if you're willing to try the packages, I'll let you know from where to grab them when it finishes.
[05:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, awesome, of course :)
[05:32] <StolenShoeBox> can someone link eme to a downloadable version of the macworld 2005 keynote?
[05:32] <bob2> HostingGeek<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, attempting the downgrade as mentioned per the wiki
[05:33] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: ##mwsf
[05:33] <HostingGeek> OK MY friend just did apt-get remove kernel.... as someone else told him to do it
[05:33] <HostingGeek> now we need to make sure its not possible to do that
[05:34] <HostingGeek> we don't want more people removing there kernel because some **** told them to
[05:34] <bob2> HostingGeek: now we don't
[05:34] <bob2> HostingGeek: please think this through a bit more before making claims
[05:34] <chewvl> HostingGeek: your friend removed ALL kernels including the current working one?
[05:34] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: ?
[05:34] <StolenShoeBox> hoin ##mwsf
[05:34] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: ask in that channel
[05:35] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: your always such great help. thx again
[05:35] <randabis> lol
[05:35] <HostingGeek> chewvl: yes someone told him to do it with the --force-yes tag
[05:35] <HostingGeek> chewvl: he remove the only ernel he had installed
[05:36] <bob2> HostingGeek: your friend needs to learn to a) not talk to people who have no clue and to b) not to run commands they don't understand
[05:36] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[05:36] <chewvl> HostingGeek: good, sound advice...bet your friend is having quite an experience atm LOL
[05:37] <HostingGeek> bob2: its possible it can happen again A) Ubuntu must not alllow it and  B) ubuntu must not allow rm -rf /
[05:37] <binReapr> hi
[05:37] <chewvl> never ever trust a stranger completely without first confirming, verifying what one has been told
[05:37] <bob2> HostingGeek: er, whatever you reckon
[05:37] <bob2> stopping b) is impossible and pointless
[05:37] <froust> What lines do I need to add to my sources.list to upgrade to hoary?
[05:38] <froust> i've replaced all instances of warty with hoary
[05:38] <Zepp> Does ubuntu come with dbus/hal/automount type setup on default install?
[05:38] <HostingGeek> bob2: no mandrake has done it
[05:38] <bob2> Zepp: yes
[05:38] <bob2> HostingGeek: I really really doubt that
[05:38] <Zepp> bob2, awesome thanks.
[05:38] <bob2> HostingGeek: if people run commands they don't understand as root, there's nothing you can do to protect them
[05:39] <HostingGeek> bob2: /join #mandrake and ask
[05:39] <chewvl> froust: ran 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' yet? hope you know what you are getting yourself into...
[05:39] <bob2> HostingGeek: no thanks
[05:39] <binReapr> ok, before a make install, when  configure someting and I want it to appear in the gnome menu, is this right? ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
[05:39] <bob2> binReapr: no
[05:39] <froust> chewvl, yeah... i did that
[05:39] <binReapr> ups, what I did then?
[05:40] <froust> it upgraded everything but hoary
[05:40] <bob2> binReapr: thinks will not appear in the gnome menu automatically unless they have .desktop files, and do not ever use --prefix=/usr
[05:40] <vitriol> anybody know what i need to install to get dri working on an mga card?
[05:40] <binReapr> what --prefix=/usr do?
[05:40] <rob0> I once used "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" and the hard drive was unbootable, does Ubuntu prevent me from doing that? ;)
[05:40] <binReapr> Im installing this gdesklets thing and it says is better
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: it puts the files in /usr/, which is bad because you can't easily remove it
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: dpkg is in charge of /usr, putting other stuff there is asking for trouble
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: also, gdesklets is *in* Ubuntu already
[05:41] <binReapr> ups, didnt knew, in the repository?
[05:41] <rob0> binReapr, the default --prefix for autoconf packages is /usr/local
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: in universe, yes
[05:42] <HostingGeek> bob2: meh i was wrong but ubuntu should tell the user what he is doing if he ver runs that command and ask him if he wants to cont. even with the -f tag
[05:42] <bob2> HostingGeek: why?
[05:42] <bob2> HostingGeek: unless some malicious/stupid person told your friend how to do it, he/she never would have removed it
[05:42] <rob0> binReapr, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[05:43] <randabis> HostingGeek...uh it does
[05:43] <HostingGeek> bob2: because some moron one day will edit the wiki to say this
[05:43] <HostingGeek> randabis: i said WITH the -f tag
[05:43] <randabis> ah
[05:43] <randabis> my bad
[05:43] <bob2> HostingGeek: the wiki already contains lots of wrong information
[05:43] <binReapr> ok, anyway, my installation didnt succeed because I missed a lib, the settings stay with --prefix=/usr?? or can I compile again without it?
[05:43] <bob2> HostingGeek: anyway, this is off-topic
[05:44] <HostingGeek> bob2: and its also offtopic in #ubuntu-devel and in #ubuntu-offtopic and in .....
[05:44] <bob2> HostingGeek: yes, indeed
[05:44] <bluefoxicy> what the hel
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> I left some space free
[05:45] <binReapr> ok,forget that, how can I uninstall something I compiled and installed??
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> and ubuntu made a 30G extended partition
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> with 20G after it
[05:46] <setite> hey
[05:46] <setite> where can i find SB Live! driver(s)
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> emu10k1
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> part of 2.6
[05:49] <setite> anyone?
[05:51] <bob2> binReapr: if you installed it to /usr, you can't unless 'make uninstall works'
[05:51] <bob2> setite: er, you already have it loaded
[05:52] <setite> not for me
[05:52] <bob2> snd_emu10k1
[05:52] <setite> for a fellow member of overclock.net who uses suse
[05:52] <setite> i don't know if he actually needs it... but he seems to think he does
[05:52] <bob2> they should really be in #suse then, since how it gets loaded varies per-distro
[05:52] <setite> oh does it
[05:52] <setite> damn suse
[05:53] <setite> ok thanks.. i'll ask in there
[05:53] <telewazit> i have a serious problem and i need advice
[05:54] <telewazit> i can't access windows. i tried fixmbr using the xp rescue option. but grub still comes up
[05:54] <setite> they aren't very active which sucks.. thats the reason i chose ubuntu
[05:54] <telewazit> grub won't go away
[05:54] <setite> i need to have an active IRC support crew to get me through
[05:54] <setite> grub doesnt have windows listed
[05:55] <setite> and your serious problem is wanting to get back to windows
[05:55] <setite> have you booted into windows since you installed linux?
[05:55] <telewazit> no
[05:55] <telewazit> windows is listed
[05:55] <setite> it is ok then what happens when you select it
[05:56] <telewazit> i've been through this already. i've tried changing the lba settings
[05:56] <telewazit> it doesn't work
[05:56] <setite> disregard the "it is ok then" that was part of another statement
[05:56] <telewazit> and using fixmbr doesn't fix anything. i can't make grub go away
[05:57] <setite> ok why do you want to get rid of grub... do you not want linux
[05:57] <setite> or are you just mad it wont let you in windoze
[05:57] <froust> you can configure grub to load windows
[05:58] <alka_trash> froust: yep
[05:58] <telewazit> grub is already configured to load windows
[05:58] <setite> telewazit... what happens when you tell it to boot windows
[05:58] <froust> brb.
[05:58] <alka_trash> winders loads
[05:58] <setite> alka are you speaking for him from knowledge or guessing
[05:59] <telewazit> setite: nothing happens. the screen blinks and briefly shows the contents of the menu.lst then bounces me back to the grub menu
[05:59] <alka_trash> I have done it before,
[05:59] <randabis> hey telewazit
[05:59] <randabis> try this
[05:59] <setite> odd
[05:59] <randabis> go into your bios
[05:59] <randabis> go into your hard drive settings
[05:59] <randabis> change all hard drives to LBA
[06:00] <telewazit> randabis: been there, done that, didn't work
[06:00] <randabis> ah
[06:00] <crimsun> stuNNed: ping
[06:02] <binReapr> can I make a standard folder for installinf files,lets say /usr/testfolders and use ./config --prefix=/testfolders?? is recommendable?
[06:03] <bob2> yes
[06:03] <bob2> most people use /usr/local for that
[06:03] <setite> is it possible to make windows view and access the linux partition?
[06:03] <binReapr> thnx
[06:03] <setite> not for me... for someone else
[06:03] <setite> i dotn want windows touching my linux... i dont trust it
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> setite, only for reading
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> not writing
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> i have done it
[06:03] <setite> yea thats all i figured it could do... how is that done
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> only ext3 or ext2 readers
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> let me find the plugin
[06:04] <telewazit> how do i pry grub out of my MBR?
[06:04] <setite> how do i install a .deb
[06:04] <setite> just run it?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> setite, look here ... http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.htm
[06:05] <setite> what does chmod do
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> change mode
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> like r w x
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> read write execute
[06:05] <alka_trash> telewazit: you want to remove grub?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> permissions
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> setite, try dpkg -i package.deb
[06:07] <telewazit> alka_trash: yes. and i already tried fixmbr and it's still won't go away
[06:07] <setite> 404 error
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> setite, on that site?
[06:08] <setite> yea.. but i went to http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ and it worked
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> bad linke  i guess
[06:08] <setite> help
[06:08] <setite> dpkg: error processing cinelerra (--install):
[06:08] <setite>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[06:08] <setite> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:08] <setite>  cinelerra
[06:09] <setite> whats that mean
[06:09] <setite> did it not install?
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> setite, did you try synaptic
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> or apt-get?
[06:09] <bob2> setite: don't use dpkg
[06:09] <setite> nah... i dont know how
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> setite, very easy
[06:09] <setite> apt-get install cinelerra?
[06:10] <bob2> adoyretsamon: you know it's not in ubuntu, right?
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:10] <setite> i need man pages... i dont understand any commands still
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> that was why i told him the dpkg command
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> setite, so what does it say is missing
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> you can find the packages
[06:10] <setite> libs
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:10] <setite> lots of them
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:11] <setite> i can post it in #flood if you want
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> do you really need it?
[06:11] <setite> need what
[06:11] <setite> cinelerra..
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> yes
[06:11] <setite> not on this PC... but in my watercooled a64 rig that will be running in two days... yes
[06:11] <setite> so i thought id figure it out
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> ic
[06:11] <setite> thats the only reason im using ubuntu on this junker
[06:12] <setite> to learn things while im waiting
[06:12] <adoyretsamon> good idea
[06:12] <setite> can apt-get still check the dependencies of this prog somehow?
[06:12] <setite> or does cinelerra';'s site probably have some info
[06:13] <adoyretsamon> setite, did you google for cinelerra ubuntu?
[06:13] <adoyretsamon> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1132.html
[06:13] <jmhodges> ok, uh... anyone seen a fix yet for libgtksourceview?
[06:13] <jmhodges> rather, libgtksourceview-common ?
[06:14] <crimsun> the overlapping file with -cil ?
[06:15] <jmhodges> crimsun: indeed
[06:15] <jmhodges> bah, ill just uninstall  -cli
[06:17] <setite> hey adoy can i pm you
[06:21] <linux-rulz> Hey, is there any way to change the Ubuntu splash screen for Gnome (I like changing all these kinds of things but can't figure out how to do this)
[06:24] <setite> hey why is my marillat repo not working
[06:24] <setite> it keeps timing out when i try to refresh
[06:25] <bob2> maybe it's down
[06:26] <setite> deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
[06:26] <helios> hey guys, i need help with instaling package files on ubuntu
[06:26] <setite> how do i ass that
[06:26] <setite> im used to main or something like that
[06:26] <setite> in place of main do i put ./
[06:26] <setite> or .
[06:26] <setite> or /
[06:26] <bob2> setite: put it on a new line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: open GConf and go to /schemas/apps
[06:26] <jmhodges> er..
[06:27] <setite> how do i do it via synaptic
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: go to /schemas/apps/gnome-session/options/show_splash_screen
[06:27] <setite> thats my preferred method
[06:27] <setite> thwat is the ./
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: that last bit is the actual key name
[06:27] <jmhodges> hrm.. perhaps not
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: try your .gnome2*
[06:27] <jmhodges> in your home dir
[06:28] <bob2> setite: just edit it manually, it's very simple
[06:28] <setite> but what would i put if i did it in synaptic.... adding to the source.lst is easier i know... but i want to understand what each part pertains to
[06:28] <linux-rulz> jmhodges: whoops, i just unset that key and it removed it, is that a bad thing?
[06:29] <jmhodges> uh... damn, i couldnt even edit that thing..
[06:29] <jmhodges> that could be
[06:29] <linux-rulz> hmmm...oh well, if it is, so be it, it isnt that hard to make a new user account :P
[06:29] <jmhodges> however, i have no idea when it comes to gconf
[06:29] <linux-rulz> lol, it looks as cryptic as the windows registry
[06:30] <linux-rulz> anyways, logging out and then back in, will let you know how it went
[06:31] <helios> ey all... new to ubuntu and need help
[06:31] <linux-rulz> still shows the splash screen despite that being missing
[06:31] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: right, well, try google and an edit to .gnome2
[06:32] <jmhodges> linux-rulz:  gconf obviously isnt messed with much :)
[06:33] <jmhodges> really, the only time i've seen gconf used by a user is when a developer (usually a non-gnome project developer) does something stupid..
[06:33] <setite> this officially sucks... i know i added the repos correctly... and neither marillat or the cinelerra ones are working
[06:33] <jmhodges> setite: whats the error?
[06:34] <jmhodges> well, in all of dpkg, but i had a rought time learning how to do it in synaptic for osme reason (which is absolutely rediculous i know)
[06:34] <linux-rulz> jmhodges: lol, i'll let the gnome devs write a program that lets you do this simply like in kde, until then, the ubuntu splash screen is just fine
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> setite, my marillat is not working tonight
[06:34] <binReapr> is dificult to change the splash?
[06:34] <setite> it says it cant find packages.gz or something
[06:34] <setite> ok yoda... then its not just me
[06:34] <setite> still sucks thoughj
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> it was up for just a shortbit, then down again... it seems
[06:35] <linux-rulz> binReapr: who knows, i used to think it was difficult to edit your applications menu, but after typing in nautilus applications:/// it is easier than in kde
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> maybe the piratebay.org torrents are sucking the bandwidth
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:37] <binReapr> yeah
[06:37] <setite> piratebay?
[06:37] <setite> whats that have to do with marillat
[06:37] <binReapr> I can't find this GConF app, I have to install it or is it already here?
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> nothing
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> joke
[06:39] <linux-rulz> type in gconf at the terminal and then hit tab twice, i think it is gconf-editor
[06:39] <linux-rulz> it is part of gnome and should be there
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> setite, look at http://www.alblinux.net/modules.php?mop=modload&name=Splatt_Forums&file=viewtopic&topic=164&forum=3&start=10
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> BYMMV -
[06:41] <binReapr> got it =)
[06:44] <helios> quit
[06:44] <setite> nomasteryoda - i only speak english
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> find the sources.list section
[06:45] <setite> thats albanian... the closest ive been to albanian was a chick i dated in high school
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> very simple ... jsut copy the parts you need into your sources.list file
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <setite> should i add those?
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> not all
[06:45] <setite> haha sorry
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> let me choose
[06:46] <setite> i just ask without reading
[06:46] <setite> not all... why not
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> if you really want to have the ultimate breaky, then sure go ahead
[06:46] <binReapr> brb
[06:46] <setite> will it cause problems?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> try this...
[06:46] <randabis> yay no more ntfs
[06:47] <setite> ok solved the cinelerra problem
[06:47] <setite> the .deb sucks apparent.y
[06:47] <setite> apparently
[06:47] <setite> so i used alien to convert the rpm which was 2 megs bigger and the install went without a hitch
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> randabis, YEAH
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[06:48] <setite> no more ntfs?
[06:48] <randabis> :) it was a leftover partition that had my mp3s and other things from windows...copied over everything, then formatted that partition to reiser
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> setite, i would guess he has moved beyond that into the world of linux...
[06:48] <randabis> now I'm copying everything back
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ntfs sucks
[06:49] <randabis> indeed
[06:49] <randabis> windows sucks :p
[06:49] <randabis> it pissed me off so I murdered it a few days ago
[06:49] <setite> oh
[06:49] <randabis> laptop has been native linux for a while though
[06:50] <setite> windows serves one great purpose
[06:50] <setite> well two
[06:50] <setite> surround sound gaming
[06:50] <setite> and its a way to use my PC when i FUBAR my linux
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> this brand new laptop... i have only booted it into windows when it was first in my hands
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> 1 month ago
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> only been in suse since
[06:51] <randabis> 1 doesn't apply (headphones), and 2 is getting better in linux
[06:51] <randabis> heh ubuntu hoary here on both main and laptop
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> setite, i understand the Doom 3 has surround... and that works in linux
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> surround that is
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> nite or g'day to you
[06:53] <binReapr> aaaaaaarrrgghh, after I installed gdesklets now my system wont show any panels at start, how can I edit the start up options?
[06:55] <binReapr> wrong button
[06:55] <binReapr> so, can anyone help me please?
[06:57] <jmhodges> binReapr: system->preferences->Sessions
[06:57] <froust> what is gdesklets/
[06:58] <jmhodges> binReapr: or wherever the Sessions app is in your menu system (im running Hoary, which changes the menu system)
[06:58] <jmhodges> binReapr: in Sessions theres a Start Ups tab
[06:58] <binReapr> ok, how can I access that from shell, I have no panels =/
[07:00] <Necrosan> How do I update alsa to use the soundcard I had to manually add to /etc/modules?
[07:00] <Necrosan> This is an IBM Thinkpad 770
[07:01] <binReapr> the error is "panel can't load panel already there"
[07:02] <bob2> binReapr: you did install it to /usr/local/, right?
[07:03] <crimsun> Necrosan: snd-cs4232?
[07:03] <binReapr> yes
[07:05] <crimsun> Necrosan: lsmod|grep ^snd_cs4232
[07:06] <setite> shit still cant run cinelerra
[07:06] <setite> i need libXxf86vm
[07:06] <deadshell> setite,  apt-get it
[07:06] <randabis> copying from one drive to another takes forever :p
[07:06] <setite> i dont think its on any of my repos
[07:07] <setite> synaptic couldnt find it
[07:07] <setite> imma find an RPM for it
[07:08] <randabis> lol
[07:09] <Necrosan> crimsun: can you hang on a sec? ill throw the laptop online and brb
[07:09] <TeePOG> morning all
[07:10] <binReapr> whats the name of the panel? system? I got into Applications but is not there I think
[07:10] <setite> randabis why is that funny
[07:10] <setite> im dying here...
[07:11] <setite> but now i think abotu it ill wait till i get my amd64 rig.. .this rig is too slow to do anything on cinelerra
[07:11] <binReapr> hey setite
[07:11] <randabis> because rpm and debian..that's just funny
[07:11] <binReapr> whats the name of the other panel besides applications?
[07:12] <binReapr> is the little foot icon, then it says applications and then?
[07:12] <binReapr> system?
[07:14] <crimsun> Necrosan: waiting...
[07:16] <binReapr> Im dead, anyone know how to access system->preferences->Sessions from shell?
[07:16] <Necrosan_> Okay, who was helping me before?
[07:17] <MM2> damn! I burned ubuntu iso-image to 10 cd's to install them today. Original iso was corrupted (wrong MD5sum) somehow... earlier burned CDR did work fine...
[07:18] <binReapr> actually is Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sessions
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: changed in hoary
[07:19] <setite> rpm and debian isn't incredibly funny
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-session-properties
[07:19] <setite> often rpm is all there is
[07:19] <binReapr> please, someone just do a right click on sessions and tell me whats the name of the executable
[07:19] <setite> but i couldnt even find the rpm
[07:19] <setite> its all google showed but i couldnt find the file
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> setite: almost all software you want is in the repository
[07:22] <binReapr> HrdwrBoB, please, could you do it?
[07:22] <Necrosan_> HrdwrBoB, ALSA is still bitching at boot..
[07:22] <setite> almost isn't quite enough though
[07:22] <Necrosan_> something along the lines of "load_sound: no sound card"
[07:22] <binReapr> or you setite plaease
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: I just said gnome-session-properties
[07:22] <binReapr> ups
[07:22] <setite> what do i do
[07:22] <binReapr> didnt saw
[07:23] <binReapr> thanx
[07:24] <binReapr> brb
[07:25] <Necrosan_> Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error?
[07:25] <Necrosan_> i have a ton of those in dmesg too
[07:25] <crimsun> Necrosan: cat /proc/asound/cards, paste in #flood
[07:26] <Necrosan_> i have no /proc/asound
[07:26] <crimsun> Necrosan: so ALSA's not loaded. What modules _are_ loaded? Paste to #flood.
[07:28] <Necrosan_> http://www.pastebin.com/227928
[07:29] <s1amson> anybody got dual monitors?
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: you have the OSS/Free kernel modules for your sound chipset loaded
[07:29] <Necrosan_> crimsun, how do I make it do ALSA?
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: you need to get rid of those before ALSA will function properly
[07:29] <Necrosan_> okay, no problem, but alsa didnt work from the start..
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: dpkg -l alsa-base|grep ^ii
[07:30] <Necrosan_> justin@thinkpad:/ $ dpkg -l alsa-base|grep ^ii
[07:30] <Necrosan_> ii  alsa-base      1.0.5a-1ubuntu ALSA sound driver common files
[07:31] <crimsun> sec.
[07:31] <Necrosan_> k..
[07:31] <crimsun> Necrosan_: in your /etc/modules, are you loading cs4232 at all?
[07:32] <Luke-skywallker> hello
[07:32] <Luke-skywallker> anyone alive?
[07:32] <Necrosan_> crimsun, yeah, HrdwrBoB told me to put it in there
[07:32] <Necrosan_> sound works, but only like cdplayer.. no gnome stuff or whatever, and the volume control in gnome doesnt work at all
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> hello i have a little question is about of players,
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> i want see a .avi video
[07:33] <crimsun> Necrosan_: well, you have two choices: you can struggle to make ALSA work, or you can modify your system to use the loaded OSS/Free drivers.
[07:33] <crimsun> Necrosan_: which do you choose?
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> but i dont kan find the divx4linux with apt-get
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> some idea about how see .avi videos on ubuntu?
[07:33] <Necrosan_> I'm in a creative mood. Would ALSA be better in the long run?
[07:34] <s1amson> so, nobody has dual monitors?
[07:34] <crimsun> Luke-skywallker: uncomment 'universe' repo and install 'totem-xine'
[07:34] <crimsun> Necrosan_: ALSA is the direction to pursue, yes.
[07:34] <Luke-skywallker> then with totem-xine i dont need install the divx code?
[07:34] <Necrosan_> crimsun, could you possibly guide me to making this work? (at least through the steps I have no idea with?)
[07:35] <s1amson> guess i'll  stay with suse then :/
[07:35] <crimsun> Luke-skywallker: by installing 'totem-xine', you'll have the necessary packages installed.
[07:36] <Luke-skywallker> thanks alot crimsun
[07:36] <crimsun> Necrosan_: first you'll need to make sure no applications are using /dev/dsp*
[07:36] <Necrosan_> crimsun, I don't think anythings using em.
[07:37] <Necrosan_> No sound is being heard right now, so I'm pretty positive nothing is using it.
[07:38] <crimsun> Necrosan_: lsof /dev/dsp*
[07:38] <Necrosan_> nothin
[07:39] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe -r opl3 cs4232 ad1848 uart401 sound
[07:40] <Necrosan_> k, all unloaded
[07:41] <Necrosan_> should i remove the stuff i added from /etc/modules
[07:41] <Necrosan_> ?
[07:42] <crimsun> Necrosan_: it would be prudent to comment them out, yes.
[07:42] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 && sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:43] <Necrosan_> justin@thinkpad:/ $ sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 && sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:43] <Necrosan_> FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4232 (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko): No such device
[07:43] <bob2> you don't have hardware for that
[07:43] <Necrosan_> bob2, but i do.
[07:43] <bob2> also, you shouldn't have to load modules like that manually
[07:43] <bob2> Necrosan_: the module doesn't think so
[07:44] <Necrosan_> #cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[07:44] <Necrosan_> that's how i modprobe'd it before
[07:44] <bob2> oh, it's ISA?
[07:44] <crimsun> ah, you have to pass those parameters to modprobe, Necrosan_.
[07:45] <Necrosan_> bob2, this is an ibm thinkpad 770 - crimsun, okay, will modprobe like that
[07:46] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 port=0x530 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 mpu_irq=5 mpu_port=0x330
[07:47] <crimsun> Necrosan_: you also need isapnp=0
[07:47] <Necrosan_> isapnp=0 at boot?
[07:47] <crimsun> no, at the end of that modprobe line I typed
[07:47] <Necrosan_> same error as before.
[07:48] <setite> whats the emulation app
[07:49] <setite> not Wine or CrossOver office... the full emulation one for programmers
[07:49] <setite> i forgot the name
[07:49] <bob2> qemu?
[07:49] <bob2> valgrind?
[07:49] <crimsun> Necrosan_: try using snd-4236
[07:50] <Necrosan_> same
[07:50] <crimsun> Necrosan_: is "ThinkPad Simple Boot" (aka "Quick Boot") disabled? Ensure it is.
[07:51] <Necrosan_> ah, that was enabled
[07:51] <Necrosan_> that would cause a problem?
[07:51] <crimsun> yes.
[07:51] <Necrosan_> shall i disable it & return?
[07:51] <crimsun> yes.
[07:52] <Necrosan_> k, brb
[07:53] <setite> anyone use Folding@Home
[07:54] <deadshell> setite, i did on my mac
[07:54] <deadshell> i also used seti
[07:56] <setite> how do i run it
[07:57] <setite> i dont know what its called
[07:58] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app.  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher and pointed it to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.
[07:58] <deadshell> hmm you using linux let me look
[08:00] <setite> ok how do i run it
[08:00] <deadshell> setite, does this help http://folding.stanford.edu/linux.html
[08:00] <setite> /home/setite/FAH502-Linux.exe is the file but i added a launcher for it and nothing happened
[08:00] <BuffaloSoldier> hello
[08:00] <setite> but it doesnt have a gui i think
[08:00] <deadshell> no console only
[08:00] <setite> but my pc is lagging so i know its running
[08:01] <setite> how do i kill it if i want to....
[08:01] <deadshell> lol did you ps to see it?
[08:01] <setite> ps?
[08:01] <deadshell> ps aux or something
[08:01] <deadshell> in console
[08:01] <setite> whats the console
[08:01] <BuffaloSoldier> i'm using AMD Athlon XP 2400 cpu. which linux kernel should i use? linux-386, linux-686 or linux-k7?
[08:01] <setite> is that different from the terminal
[08:01] <deadshell> terminal
[08:01] <crimsun> BuffaloSoldier: -k7
[08:02] <bob2> BuffaloSoldier: k7
[08:02] <setite> ok i want to kill it... its slowing my pc down alot
[08:02] <randabis> k7 would probably give a little performance bump
[08:02] <BuffaloSoldier> i have 2 install cds... one is intel x86 and the other is amd64/em64t
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> which cd should i use to install?
[08:03] <randabis> use x86
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> ok
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> thanx guys... n gals
[08:03] <deadshell> setite, in a terminal type ps aux find folding then look at the id # then type kill then the # example if the id was 666 you would do  kill 666
[08:04] <deadshell> setite, you might have to be root
[08:04] <deadshell> but i doubt it
[08:06] <setite> um there are four
[08:06] <deadshell> i guess kill 'em all
[08:06] <setite> setite   18453  0.8 17.5<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?      SN   22:59   0:02 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18469  0.0 17.5<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?      SN   22:59   0:00 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18470 15.7 17.5<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?      RN   22:59   0:42 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18471  0.0 17.5<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?      SN   22:59   0:00 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <deadshell> kill 18453
[08:07] <deadshell> then the rest
[08:07] <setite> nah... that killed them all i think
[08:07] <setite> thanks
[08:07] <deadshell> really bogging huh
[08:07] <setite> it was slowing my pc down
[08:07] <setite> yea i dont know why
[08:07] <setite> must be buggy
[08:08] <deadshell> cool idea though
[08:08] <setite> i mean on windows it does what its supposed to... uses spare process
[08:08] <setite> only a problem when you try to be real active after inactivity.. when it has to drop fro 90% usages to 10%...
[08:08] <setite> btu the linux one seems to suck
[08:08] <setite> mp3s keep cutting out every so often
[08:08] <setite> and cursor jumps
[08:08] <setite> and it froze for a few seconds there
[08:09] <setite> not cool
[08:09] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app (pmidi -p 64:0).  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher to pmidi and pointed the midi to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.  When I drag the midi onto the launcher it plays, though
[08:09] <deadshell> what proc do you have 1 or 2 ghz?
[08:09] <Necrosan_> okay, i modprobe'd it instead with snd-cs4231
[08:09] <Necrosan_> and it worked, and i have a /dev/dsp
[08:10] <juzteen> does anybody use k3b?
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: snd-4232, correct?
[08:10] <deadshell> juzteen, yeah i do
[08:10] <Necrosan_> nope, wouldnt probe
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: so snd-cs4231, gotcha.
[08:10] <deadshell> calamari, where is the app?
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: good to see it's resolved.
[08:11] <lightbade> hi. i have 2 network cards. i had deleted my eth0 from Computer->Network Settings. Now I want eth0 back again. How do i do it?
[08:11] <juzteen> deadshell when i install it my cdrecorder and another file conflict with it. where can I get the patch or whatever to fix this?
[08:11] <Necrosan_> snd_cs4231: Unknown parameter `isapnp'
[08:11] <Necrosan_> that
[08:11] <Necrosan_> and this bug me though..
[08:11] <juzteen> I know their's a lot on google but I've been reading for hours
[08:11] <Necrosan_> cs4231: MPU401 not detected
[08:11] <deadshell> juzteen, whats the error?
[08:12] <Necrosan_> mpu401_uart: unable to grab IRQ 5
[08:12] <juzteen> cdrecord does not run with root privileges
[08:13] <crimsun> Necrosan_: the "isapnp" parameter is not valid for snd-cs4231.ko
[08:13] <juzteen> cdrdao does not run with root privileges
[08:13] <tolle> Where can I find a log over what deb packages that has been installed and removed?
[08:13] <Necrosan_> add that and snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules?
[08:13] <juzteen> i've been installing and uninstalling packages in synaptic but nothings working
[08:13] <bob2> tolle: if you use aptitude, /var/log/aptitude
[08:14] <bob2> if apt-get, nowhere
[08:14] <crimsun> Necrosan_: no
[08:14] <tolle> bob2: realy? wow... that sortoff blows.
[08:14] <crimsun> Necrosan_: you only need to add snd-cs4231
[08:15] <tolle> bob2: I apparantly did something with gcj so that eclipse nolonger starts, and now I got no idea what packages i removed or installed that caused it.
[08:15] <bob2> tolle: reason #432 to use aptitude ;)
[08:15] <deadshell> juzteen,but what does the error say?
[08:16] <juzteen> i thought that was the error...hold on
[08:16] <Necrosan_> hm
[08:16] <Necrosan_> brb
[08:17] <juzteen>  ERROR: filesharelist not found in /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/sbin
[08:19] <deadshell> juzteen, whats th efile share list?
[08:19] <lightbade> hi. i have 2 network cards. i had deleted my eth0 from Computer->Network Settings. Now I want eth0 back again. How do i do it?
[08:19] <deadshell> lightbade, you still here?
[08:19] <deadshell> lol
[08:19] <lightbade> ya
[08:20] <deadshell> lightbade, look in /etc/network/interfaces first
[08:20] <lightbade> thought some of the new people might know something
[08:20] <juzteen> deadshell: i don't know...all i know is k3b's only letting me make ISO images...just like CD/DVD create
[08:21] <deadshell> juzteen, but not audio and such?
[08:21] <lightbade> deadshell, doesnt have eth0. only eth1
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> hello
[08:21] <deadshell> try editing it so it has eth0 too
[08:21] <juzteen> actually my goal is to make an audio cd.
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> i just got an copy of  News & Releases
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> GNOPPIX Developer version 0.9.2b5 Hoary is out
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral>
[08:22] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral,  Metal!!!
[08:22] <Unholyfuneral> METAL
[08:22] <juzteen> i can't burn an audio cd to save my life.
[08:22] <Unholyfuneral> death black all gdood
[08:22] <juzteen> i can burn an mp3 disk
[08:22] <lightbade> how will eth0 know which lan card to bind to? @ deadshell
[08:22] <juzteen> a data disk...but that's with cd.dvd create
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> anyway gnoppix is asking for an login
[08:23] <trey3> juzteen: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --audio file1.mp3 file2.mp3
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> i do not have an login
[08:23] <trey3> Unholyfuneral: hit enter?
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> enter for user name and password
[08:24] <trey3> user root, passwd blank (if it even asks...)
[08:24] <deadshell> juzteen, let me look on google
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> ok ill try that iv used knoppix
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> and it did not do that so kinda wondering why this one did
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> Ill try that
[08:24] <juzteen> ok
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> Thanks
[08:25] <deadshell> lightbade, im not sure
[08:25] <juzteen> trey3 I tried yesterday to get cd record to work with comands.
[08:25] <deadshell> lightbade, maybe MAC address
[08:25] <juzteen> I'll try again though just for the heck of it though
[08:26] <lightbade> i'll try. i'm readin man intefaces
[08:26] <Necrosan> crimsun: it was being a prick, so i gave up for the night.. gotta be up in 5 hours.. ill toy with it tomorrow. thanks for the help
[08:28] <juzteen> nope didn't work but boy it's fun to try
[08:28] <trey3> juzteen: ugh... 'lsmod | grep ide-cd'
[08:29] <juzteen> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Permission denied).
[08:30] <trey3> juzteen: /dev/hdc = secondary master ide cable... is this where the cdrw is physically connected?
[08:31] <juzteen> yeah I believe so
[08:31] <trey3> juzteen: for shits... throw a 'sudo' infront of the cdrecord command I said... (just hit up etc)
[08:31] <deadshell> lightbade, those man pages are exciting eh?
[08:32] <jintonic> can i download all the .gif files referenced on a certain webpage with wget?
[08:33] <juzteen> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy).
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> jintonic: yes
[08:34] <trey3> juzteen: hmm... umount /dev/hdc and try again  :P
[08:34] <jintonic> how?
[08:35] <juzteen> umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[08:36] <juzteen> mabey that's the problem?
[08:38] <juzteen> sorry dude i guess i'm going to have to read and learn how to mount now
[08:39] <juzteen> i thought it was mounted
[08:39] <juzteen> damnit
[08:39] <jintonic> figured it out, thx
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> well
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> hiting enter did not work
[08:42] <lightbade> deadshell, exciting? it's like i'm an a novel
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> i typed it ROOT though and it let me in
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> in root
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> damn
[08:43] <lightbade> deadshell, where is the lo information stored? i got to edit that to point to the other lan card
[08:43] <lightbade> lol @ Unholyfuneral
[08:43] <Unholyfuneral> what
[08:43] <Unholyfuneral> lightblade
[08:44] <deadshell> lightbade, i would think adding auto eth0
[08:44] <deadshell> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[08:44] <deadshell>   then doing ifup eth0 should get it running
[08:45] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, are you in the NJ/NY area?
[08:46] <Unholyfuneral> Nope
[08:46] <Unholyfuneral> Oregon
[08:46] <deadshell> oh just guessing by comcast cable company
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> yea they do things here to
[08:47] <deadshell> any cool shows by you now Unholyfuneral
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> shows?
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> Um saw Deicide
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> not to long ago
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> next will be nile and behemoth
[08:48] <deadshell> old school
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> but good
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> Behemoths new cd
[08:48] <deadshell> i can't remember the last time i was at a show
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> sounds great
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> i try since not to many bands hit this area
[08:49] <deadshell> crappy ossfest when Dimmu Borgir played and i saw Cradle of Filth about a year ago
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> they will normaly go to ca then wa
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> I like COD AND DIMMU though
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> I did not want to go to ozfest
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> their where only 2 bands i would not mind seeing
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> and ive seen them allready
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> dimmu 2 times
[08:50] <deadshell> check out necroharmonic.com it's my friends label/site he's got heavy stuff
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> shit
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> looks like some good blackmetal
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> Thunderbolt not to bad
[08:52] <deadshell> he's got everything he release one of the Autopsy cds
[08:52] <Unholyfuneral> Autopsy is good i think
[08:52] <Unholyfuneral> i remember the name
[08:53] <deadshell> i think one of the guys from Death
[08:53] <Unholyfuneral> i see nile on their
[08:54] <deadshell> check out upcoming releases
[08:55] <Unholyfuneral> Have you heard BLOODBATH
[08:55] <Unholyfuneral> they started out with the lead singer from OPETH
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> now they got some one else that isnot as good but stile dark
[08:56] <randabis> uh..
[08:56] <randabis> move that crap to off-topic
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> Ahh Dying fetus
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:56] <randabis> #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> This is toppic
[08:57] <randabis> this is a support channel, not heavy metal
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:57] <deadshell> randabis, no one else was talking
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> but i dont see anyone asking support
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> questions
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> when they do we answer
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> like this
[08:57] <randabis> regardless, there's other channels for that
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> im trying to get into Gnome
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> with the new gnoppix live
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> But do not know the command
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> can u help?
[08:59] <randabis> lol
[08:59] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:59] <Unholyfuneral> ?
[08:59] <randabis> not trying to be a nazi about it, but I got bitched atfor doing it before :p
[08:59] <deadshell> randabis, question up for discussion
[09:00] <randabis> UF, I've never used gnoppix
[09:00] <deadshell> randabis, so now you're one of 'them'
[09:00] <randabis> :p
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> Its ubuntu
[09:00] <deadshell> ok here it comes
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> My falt
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> im at root
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> it says it comes with gnome
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> but dont know how to get into it
[09:01] <randabis> it should load gnome automatically at startup
[09:01] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, what are you using now?
[09:01] <Freduardo> hi
[09:01] <juzteen> linix is a joke as far as recording goes
[09:01] <lightbade> nope @ deadshell  * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail]
[09:01] <randabis> tried audacity?
[09:01] <deadshell> ot ardour
[09:01] <Freduardo> does anyone know how you can check if you've got x386, x586 or x686?
[09:02] <randabis> grep | linux I think
[09:02] <juzteen> no...i'm tired of trying pointless programs that won't install fully
[09:02] <Unholyfuneral> it doese not
[09:02] <juzteen> cool edit was a good program and i'm sorry i stopped using it
[09:03] <juzteen> same goes for nero
[09:03] <randabis> you could try running it with wine
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> it loads me to root
[09:03] <juzteen> tried wine...it won't instal
[09:03] <juzteen> nothing installs
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> hehe
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Juzteen
[09:03] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, you in a terminal?
[09:03] <rob0> Freduardo, don't you know your own CPU? "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Their is no such thing as a stupid question
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Just stupid people
[09:03] <deadshell> :D
[09:04] <juzteen> yeah...they can all be answered by,,"go read a guide"
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> Yea
[09:04] <Freduardo> dunno, ive got a celeron 1.0 ghz
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> Deadshell
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> im at the term
[09:04] <deadshell> and running a live disc Unholyfuneral
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[09:04] <randabis> celeron is 686
[09:04] <Freduardo> ah thanks
[09:04] <deadshell> and wanna get gnome to start
[09:05] <rob0> A celeron is roughly a 686, but the kernel CPU definitions are more granular now
[09:05] <randabis> try startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> damnit
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> Did noteven use that
[09:05] <deadshell> that was my next move randabis
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> i was typing in windowsx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> some shit like that
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> its been 4 years
[09:05] <Freduardo> so, am i now better of running a 686 kernel instead of the 386 that I'm running now?
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> since i had to use the startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> command
[09:06] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, lol
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> The Gnoppix project proudly presents the first beta of version 0.9.2 of the Gnoppix linux live cd.
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> anyway
[09:06] <randabis> well I find it strange that x did not load in the first place
[09:06] <rob0> Freduardo, a little, but you won't notice the change
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> thats what im running
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> i know
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> knoppix loads x
[09:06] <deadshell> i hate when that happens
[09:06] <Freduardo> ok, I'll leave it be then
[09:06] <Freduardo> thx
[09:07] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app (pmidi -p 64:0).  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher to pmidi and pointed the midi to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.  When I drag the midi onto the launcher it plays, though
[09:07] <Unholyfuneral> Any one ever get NEVER Winter Nights to ever install onlinux
[09:08] <visor> anyone has had problems running gdesklets in Warthy?
[09:08] <Unholyfuneral> well im goint to try Startx
[09:08] <Unholyfuneral> ill be back
[09:09] <visor> it refuses to start i cant find anything in google :S
[09:10] <randabis> visor how are you trying to run it?
[09:13] <visor> randabis: i just downloaded the source, and from command line "gdesklets start"
[09:13] <visor> wich is suppossed to put an icon in systray and get the daemon running but it doesnt, it just gives me a "the application gdesklets has died unexpectedly"
[09:14] <visor> i been trying with different versions, none of them works
[09:15] <bob2> why are you downloading source?
[09:15] <bob2> has someone posted a howto or somethign somewhere that recommends this?
[09:15] <visor> because the version in apt sources is too old
[09:15] <randabis> hah
[09:15] <bob2> in what way is it too old?
[09:15] <visor> and because im more used to compile from source
[09:16] <visor> in the way that the version in apt sources is 0.26 and crashes many desklets and 0.32-1 version fixes tons of bugs of the older one, and, many new sensors do need the new version
[09:17] <DaNewB> Hi. Good morning/night everyone!
[09:17] <visor> hi DaNewB
[09:19] <deadshell> hey DaNewB
[09:19] <DaNewB> Couldnt stop myself from posting about Ubuntu on Distrowatch.com Weekly...
[09:21] <DaNewB> Check it: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050110
[09:22] <DaNewB> I felt the need to express my luv for Ubuntu...
[09:24] <DaNewB> I hope I didnt brag to much...
[09:24] <lightbade> finally YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:25] <visor> so anyone has a gdesklet's working on your system?
[09:25] <lightbade> now to setup iptables (oh boy!)
[09:25] <bob2> the packages have worked fine for me in the past
[09:25] <DaNewB> but it was from the bottom of my heart :>
[09:29] <visor> sad
[09:29] <deadshell> lightbade, what did you have to do?
[09:51] <madsen> Anyone had any luck compiling fuse on hoary?
[09:54] <Smirker> i have a .deb package.  what command in terminal to install it? :p
[09:55] <DaNewB> Smirker, dpkg --install package.deb
[09:55] <Smirker> ah thanks alot :)
[09:55] <DaNewB> Smirker, sudo dpkg --install package.deb (I forgot "sudo")
[09:56] <DaNewB> Smirker, no problem:)
[09:57] <madsen> Ok, I did 'apt-get install fuse-source', but how the hell do I build/install it?
[09:57] <bob2> it doesn't come with any instructions in /usr/share/doc/fuser-source/?
[09:57] <madsen> Oh! Didn't think to look there. :)
[09:58] <madsen> Hmm, only 2 changelogs and a copyright statement. :/
[10:00] <Unholyfuneral> well startx errored out
[10:01] <Unholyfuneral> but looks like it was the right command
[10:01] <madsen> can't even build the damn thing (fuse module) because the kernel headers and the actual kernel is not the same version. (!)
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> anyone know an good fast linux destro
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> distro
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> all the ones i get take longer then windows to load
[10:03] <nevyn> everything takes longer than windows to load.
[10:03] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, there are some stuff you can do, like changing the init-system and such. (Can't remember details though.)
[10:03] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> slackware come with an X
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> ?
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> GUI
[10:04] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, but there's a competition between fedora and ubuntu to improve boot startup
[10:04] <madsen> nevyn: Not necesarilly, a friend of mine booted Linux in 30 secs and winxp in like 50 secs.
[10:04] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware 10 comes with gnome 2.6
[10:04] <daniels> we are booting linux in about 30 seconds, on very slow laptop disks
[10:04] <Unholyfuneral> yea dan
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> pisuke: and a knife to stab yourself in the eye
[10:04] <Unholyfuneral> what Linux u using
[10:05] <Unholyfuneral> SLackware that come with good Hardware Support
[10:05] <pisuke> HrdwrBoB, it's not that bad :)
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> pisuke: compared to a distribution designed this century it is
[10:05] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: this is with Ubuntu
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, offtopic
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> we the ubuntu live cd i got sucks
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> well
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> the ubuntu
[10:06] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: the live CD is completely different from the install CD
[10:06] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: I can't think of any distributions designed this century.. maybe xandros and lycoris
[10:06] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware as ubuntu, fedora, etc ... uses hotplug to detect devices. there's where most of booting time is wasted
[10:06] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: but in Hoary, our speed improvements will all be in both the installed system and the live CD
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> it goes through an install Process
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> but its supost to be live
[10:07] <Unholyfuneral> Yea i just dont like the way hoary looks like its installing and askes install questions
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: I take it you class ubuntu as debian?
[10:07] <Unholyfuneral> and startx like i said gives errors
[10:07] <herman_> i don't think windows boots that fast
[10:08] <Unholyfuneral> mY xp box boots in about 45 sec
[10:08] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: yeah, that will all be fixed, however
[10:08] <Unholyfuneral> that about a minut less then all linux i have used
[10:08] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: welcome to development :)
[10:08] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: well it's hardly re-designed.
[10:08] <HrdwrBoB> saying there's something wrong with hoary isn't really a good basis for a look at ubuntu
[10:09] <nevyn> it's tweaked.
[10:09] <herman_> Unholyfuneral, i didn't time it. besides that i almost never shutdown my systems:)
[10:09] <pisuke> a friend of mine is booting horay in a powerbook in less than 30s
[10:09] <herman_> ok
[10:09] <Unholyfuneral> heh
[10:09] <eelriverlt> You only need to boot a Linux box once though
[10:09] <madsen> Fucking crappy kernel mess!!! Arg!!! Why won't it just work!??
[10:09] <pisuke> so I've faith
[10:09] <herman_> i'm gonna walk over to my hoary box and boot it
[10:09] <herman_> and time it
[10:09] <herman_> you time it from bootloader or power on?
[10:09] <Unholyfuneral> My sys gots an gig of ram and an 1.8 gig Athlon PROC
[10:10] <Unholyfuneral> I start it from power on
[10:10] <daniels> herman_: make sure you have readahead installed, and I still need to get to updating gdm a bit
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: what's the problem
[10:10] <Unholyfuneral> GHZ
[10:10] <herman_> daniels, ok, but i'm already sure it won't take 2 mins
[10:11] <Unholyfuneral> He he
[10:11] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I'm trying to compile the fuse module, but the headers version is different from the source version, which again is different from the actual running version of the kernel. *sigh*
[10:11] <herman_> readahead was already installed.
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: get the linux-headers package that matches your kernel
[10:11] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: There is none. (?)
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> use sudo ln -s to link /usr/src/linux to the correct linux-headers pckage
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> oneone lnow any good live cd software
[10:12] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I'm doing a dist-upgrade atm, so I hope that'll help a bit. Perhaps update the running kernel.
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> since this herah doese not work
[10:12] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Good for what?
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> That works
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> just loads right
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Knopix should be good...
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: And for sys rescue I use Insert Linux
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> Yea i downloaded the newer ver of that 2 times and used 2 diff burns and that stile would not run
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, most of them _should_ work right and I think Ubuntu will too, if you just use it right...
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Of what?
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> well i get to root
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> in abuntu
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> type startx
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> it starts to load
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> then gives an error
[10:14] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: And wtf are you trying to run it on? A toaster?
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> something could ber rong with the burn i guess
[10:14] <DaNewB> madsen, lol
[10:14] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, what version of the live-cd have you got?
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> 0.9.2 of the Gnoppix linux live cd
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> thats the one i downloaded from the site
[10:15] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Weren't you talking about ubuntu?
[10:15] <HostingGeek> whereis king_auther
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> YEA It says ubuntu
[10:15] <DaNewB> Gnoppix IS Ubuntu now...
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> all over it
[10:16] <madsen> Oh, didn't know that... Sorry.
[10:16] <Unholyfuneral> its fine
[10:16] <DaNewB> Gnoppix merged with UUU
[10:16] <madsen> Well, when I ran the official live-cd on my machine x started by itself...
[10:16] <Unholyfuneral> and madsen im trying to run it on my 1.8GHz with one gig of ram
[10:17] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Any clue as to why it doesn't start x by itself?
[10:17] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, what error? what video card?
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> nope
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> just askes me to login
[10:17] <baafie> Speaking of X, would there be an easy way to install xdm on ubuntu?
[10:17] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, that doesn't really say very much about the hardware... Any untypical hardware?
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> i type in root
[10:17] <Agrajag> baafie: use apt-get
[10:17] <Agrajag> it's in universe
[10:17] <madsen> baafie: apt-get install xdm (?)
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> um amd athlon xp2200
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> no hardware
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> that i think would cause probs
[10:18] <herman_> it takes 45 secs to boot from grub to gdm here, and 15 sec after gdmlogin to desktop
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> Typical stuff
[10:18] <baafie> Agrajag: 'universe' ?
[10:18] <madsen> no hardware? I guess that's why it won't run then. :p
[10:18] <herman_> P4 2.4ghz it is
[10:18] <Agrajag> baafie: open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor
[10:19] <herman_> seems reasonable
[10:19] <Agrajag> it tells you what to do to enable the universe repository
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> Madsen it has geil ram Sound blaster live 5.1 Soyo mother board