[20:30] <Sorikan> I am currently on step 3 of this process: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095 , and I am getting the error "No working C compiler found." I am on 10.04. Thanks for any tip / suggestions.....
[20:31] <bullgard6> narfanator: Do you use GNOME Shell 3.2?
[20:31] <blind> iExist: I only have network-manager
[20:31] <iExist> blind, ok
[20:31] <narfanator> bullgard6: I don't know how to tell
[20:31] <bkerensa> anyone know what the argument for netstat that is that makes hostnames not be truncated?
[20:31] <blind> I've pinged out in this channel at least 3 times in the last 3 or so hours
[20:31] <bullgard6> narfanator: Hm.
[20:32] <iExist> blind, what about changing kernels
[20:32] <penguin> hello
[20:32] <iExist> hi
[20:33] <blind> iExist: I haven't tried that.. I'm just using the stock one.. I've never changed my kernel before (except when upgrading)
[20:33] <penguin> I have Ubuntu 11.10 installed and am using Chromium web browser... My Java applets are not working... How can I fix this problem?
[20:33] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Ok so I did sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio then relogged and Amarok is still using PulseAudio.
[20:33] <iExist> blind, i see
[20:34] <plytheman> anyone in here good with gnumeric?  I've got a question on setting the axes of plots which googling has not availed
[20:34] <blind> I did just change my mtu to 1500 instead of auto as per some intructions i found on google.. but i have to wait to see if that did any good
[20:34] <Tausen> bullgard6: Thank you.
[20:34] <thorn__> Hey guys, can anyone suggest an easy way to merge folders containing pictures that may be duplicates but that may not have the same names? I was hoping to sort by size, but I think the size is only being as specific as that listed, ie 1.2 MB as opposed to sorting by bytes. This means that identical files won't be next to each other. Any suggestions?
[20:35] <penguin> I have Ubuntu 11.10 and I am using the Chromium web browser... My Java applets are not working in the browser... How can I fix this problem?
[20:35] <siegen> BluesKaj:  Ok solved but i need to add to your command a editor  command alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf  thanks!
[20:36] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, was amarok open when you removed pulseaudio ?
[20:36] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Yes.
[20:36] <Gentoo64> penguin, check java is allowed in the config
[20:36] <BluesKaj> siegen, yes , sorry , forgot to mention gedit or your fav text editor
[20:36] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Should I close it?
[20:37] <penguin> Gentoo64: like where is this config located and how tocheck this? please guide me
[20:37] <Gentoo64> penguin, do you see a little sign to the right of the address bar?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> if pulse is being used when you remove it , or any app for that matter then it won't uninstall , KittyBunny
[20:37] <siegen> BluesKaj: no problem like this i had to think a bit  :) now i have networking with both pc and internet shared thanks
[20:37] <KittyBunny> k
[20:38] <penguin> what sign?
[20:38] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed
[20:38] <KittyBunny> That's what APT reported.
[20:38] <Gentoo64> sometimes theres a little icon. does java work in other browsers?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, ok amarok should work if you close then oprn it
[20:39] <Matt223460> I have ubuntu 10.10 and I am using the Chromium Browser... My PDF files don't open in the browser window.
[20:39] <BluesKaj> amarok doesn't need pulse , btw, KittyBunny
[20:39] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: But it's still using PulseAudio.
[20:40] <penguin> no, java does not work in other browsers
[20:40] <penguin> not even in firefox
[20:40] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, how do you know ?
[20:40] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: I'll take a screenshot to show you.
[20:40] <BlaDe^> somehow there's a funny character in my /etc/passwd file: blade@spooshi:~$ cat /etc/passwd --> √root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[20:40] <Gentoo64> penguin, have you installed icedtea
[20:40] <BlaDe^> and i'm getting sudo unknown user root... is there anything I can do?
[20:40] <BlaDe^> there's a bunch of sites running on this server and I ahve no idea who even broke it
[20:40] <Gentoo64> square root, lol
[20:40] <BlaDe^> indeed
[20:41] <penguin> yes icedtea is installed
[20:41] <penguin> also the icedtea plugin is installed
[20:41] <Gentoo64> hmm not sure then
[20:41] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, I used amarok for yrs without pulse
[20:42] <penguin> where is this config you were talkig  about?
[20:42] <Gentoo64> penguin, if its happening in both browsers i doubt its the config
[20:42] <Gentoo64> unless you happen to have java blacklisted in chromium AND using noscript in firefox
[20:42] <Gentoo64> or another blacklist
[20:43] <penguin> nothing is blacklisted
[20:43] <Gentoo64> thats what i mean
[20:43] <Gentoo64> i dont know why it isnt working
[20:43] <penguin> i have installed ubuntu 11.10 5 hours ago
[20:43] <penguin> nothing was altered
[20:43] <milen8204> hello, all how to make my copiz-setings and Docky run properly on  Ubuntu 11.10 whit gnome3?
[20:43] <penguin> Gentoo64: any other ideas?
[20:43] <thorn__> Hey guys, can anyone suggest an easy way to merge folders containing pictures that may be duplicates but that may not have the same names? I was hoping to sort by size, but I think the size is only being as specific as that listed, ie 1.2 MB as opposed to sorting by bytes. This means that identical files won't be next to each other. Any suggestions?
[20:43] <Gentoo64> penguin, nope :(
[20:44] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://euronetworking.co.cc/images/pulseaudio.png
[20:44] <Gentoo64> penguin, hope someone else can help. i dont use java or have it installed so im not much use!
[20:45] <charminthemoose> thorn__, a workaround would be to use fslint-gui to find files that are the same (on a byte-by-byte basis, so if they're the same size, it'll detect them)
[20:45] <catcher> Having trouble with the gnome-rdp remote desktop client, is there a better one out there?
[20:45] <narfanator> hello, Unity is malfunctioning and I don't know how to diagnose, can anyone help?
[20:45] <charminthemoose> and then just use the gui to delete the duplicates. Then merge the folder contents
[20:46] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://euronetworking.co.cc/images/pulseaudio.png
[20:47] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, run pulseaudio from the terminal
[20:48] <bytesoup> Hi folks, I was trying to boot a Packard Bell Desktop PC, AMD Athlon 3800+ CPU with 1GB RAM, but I just get a blank screen after the Ubuntu splash screen, its likely a kernel boot paramter, which ones could I try on the Live CD?
[20:48] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: The program 'pulseaudio' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[20:48] <KittyBunny> sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[20:48] <eviltoaster> What does "networking restart is deprecated..." mean?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, you probly need to reboot , then check your sound configuration settings again
[20:48]  * KittyBunny sighs
[20:48] <KittyBunny> k :(
[20:49] <carl_> lu
[20:51] <scythefwd> any one know if kernel 3.x is in the works for 11.10
[20:52] <glioros> Guys I rebuild my server and my emails still now working.. any ideas?
[20:52] <Resistance> scythefwd:  i doubt it.  at the earliest it might show up in 12.04, but i dont believe it will either...
[20:52] <Resistance> scythefwd:  we wont know until the Ubuntu Devs state something about it.  until then i'd assume "No"
[20:53] <zmbmartin> Can someone do me a favor and paste there /etc/default/grub file for me. Please I deleted mine by accident
[20:53] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  i would, but i have tweaked mine ;lP
[20:54] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Ok now it's using HDA NVidia (ALC1200 Analog)
[20:54] <KittyBunny> I tested it...
[20:54] <KittyBunny> It worked like PulseAudio did...
[20:54] <KittyBunny> but i still can't play any music.
[20:54] <zmbmartin> Resistance: I can still use that.
[20:54] <undream> Hello everyone,
[20:55] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  you wont get the graphical splash screen, and you'll see all the kernel crap that normal users dont want to see :P
[20:55] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, did you check your alsamixer ctrls , are they unmuted and turned up ?
[20:55] <undream> I just installed ubuntu on a core2duo machine (32 bit version). Everything was fine until I downloaded and enabled the 3d cube in compizconfig. Now when I log back in, I just see the wallpaper.
[20:55] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: It's definately not that.
[20:55] <riffautae> zmbmartin: grub-update might regenerate it for you
[20:55] <KittyBunny> The whole system sound is working fine.
[20:56] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, well ,did you ?
[20:56] <KittyBunny> but Amarok fails to play music.
[20:56] <undream> That was a fresh installation of ubuntu and I'm a total stranger of ubuntu so I need your help to know whatto do
[20:56] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: I have to check those after an OS install.
[20:56] <KittyBunny> I have surround sound.
[20:56] <phonix88> hi, i have a problem with grub, can i ask here?
[20:56] <KittyBunny> and surround is normally turned down in Ubuntu.
[20:57] <undream> I just installed ubuntu on a core2duo machine (32 bit version). Everything was fine until I downloaded and enabled the 3d cube in compizconfig. Now when I log back in, I just see the wallpaper. That was a fresh installation of ubuntu and I'm a total stranger of ubuntu so I need your help to know whatto do
[20:57] <riffautae> phonix88: sure
[20:57] <zmbmartin> riffautae: I do not have a grub-update command
[20:57] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  if you REALLY WANT my text-only, kernel-displaying-crap, http://pastebin.com/W6L2MYnb
[20:57] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  its update-grub
[20:57] <Resistance> but it depends on /etc/default/grub
[20:57] <Resistance> so you'd still need that
[20:58] <BluesKaj> that doesn't matter , so do i but the surround vs normal stereo is immaterial if amarok has no sound output . Try amarok from the terminal , see what errors you get , KittyBunny
[20:58] <riffautae> zmbmartin: you can also do apt-get reinstall grub
[20:58] <riffautae> zmbmartin: and it should redo tha file
[20:58] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  fwiw, you should probably reinstall grub as riffautae says
[20:58] <pfifo> is there a way to make a password change dialog pop up when a user logs in? The goal is to set a password on a livecd when it boots.
[20:58] <Resistance> zmbmartin:  because most users dont want to see the kernel crap and the non-graphical loading screen
[20:58] <Resistance> (which includes all sorts of other crap xD)
[20:59] <kermit> wow ive lost count of the all the reasons ubuntu desktop fails to boot without console access.. i guess i should ubuntu-server ?
[21:01] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/kfB5vNPB
[21:01] <phonix88> thanks, when i start the pc after a power-down grub don't start the countdown and it need of a manual input for start ubuntu why? can I disable this feature?
[21:03] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/kfB5vNPB
[21:03] <zmbmartin> Thanks guys
[21:03] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, close all instances of amarok , then start it from the terminal
[21:03] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: It is closed.
[21:03] <japro> hmm, i have a install with / on a ssd and /home on the hd, once in a while during boot i get a message "serious problems were encountered while trying to find /home" or similar
[21:04] <charminthemoose> Where in ubuntu 11.04 can I find the bash file that contains the system wide $PATH?
[21:04] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, in the terminal, amarok --debug
[21:05] <riffautae> charminthemoose: /etc/profile*
[21:06] <charminthemoose> riffautae, profile.d/ only seems to contain bashcompletion.sh.. :/
[21:06] <bullgard6> charminthemoose: Do you mean /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[21:06] <milen8204> hello, all how to make my copiz-setings and Docky run properly on  Ubuntu 11.10 whit gnome3?
[21:06] <Squidy> Hi there.. I'm trying to use preseed to instal a ubuntu server here.. However when the installer is installing the base system I'm getting the error to install the kernel.. the installer said it's not able to find a adequate kernel to install
[21:06] <Squidy> may you help me?
[21:06] <riffautae> charminthemoose: if you want to add to the path just put a script in profile.d that does it
[21:07] <Squidy> I have it in my file.seed: d-i     base-installer/kernel/override-image    string linux-server
[21:07] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/u3Y91v9e
[21:08] <kuba_> poland
[21:08] <Squidy> where to pass the correct kernel to installer?
[21:09] <charminthemoose> riffautae, coolies, thanks!
[21:09] <glioros> guys using netstat  -plntu i get this 1346/sshd
[21:09] <glioros> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[21:09] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/u3Y91v9e
[21:10] <glioros> is that means that the port 25 is now working?
[21:10] <riffautae> glioros: port 22
[21:10] <riffautae> glioros: err sorry misread
[21:10] <riffautae> glioros: i means its listening, but a firewall could be blocking it from the outside still
[21:10] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, that does not look good , I think you'd better do this , apt-get install --reinstall amarok
[21:11] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Seriously?
[21:11] <glioros> riffautae can i pastbin you all the results so to find out why my emails are not working?
[21:11] <KittyBunny> I only just installed it. :(
[21:11] <charminthemoose> Hmm
[21:11] <BluesKaj> yes seriously. KittyBunny , otherwise i wouldn't suggest it
[21:11] <japro> the nvidia driver hates me. i need a slightly newer driver than is available in 11.04 so i figured i'd install the newest binary from nvidia while i'm at it. all i get is a black screen
[21:11] <BigLou_> Gnome 3 Thoughts???
[21:12] <japro> no errors in xorg logs
[21:12] <riffautae> glioros: some isp's block port 25
[21:12] <riffautae> glioros: actually, most do
[21:12]  * KittyBunny sighs
[21:12] <KittyBunny> k
[21:12] <riffautae> glioros: yea so pastebin sudo iptables -L also
[21:12] <charminthemoose> I put a new file called Plan9tools.sh in /etc/profile.d/, inserted the suggested export lines and loaded a new xterm, but it doesn't work. :/
[21:12] <japro> is there any way to drop back to a console?
[21:13] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Ok I reinstalled but still no sound.
[21:14] <glioros> riff http://pastebin.com/fmFHBnSP
[21:14] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, ok now install pulseaudio
[21:15] <thetentmaker> where is the shortcut menu on ubuntu 11.10 (using gnome 2 desktop) ?
[21:15] <thetentmaker> i.e. keyboard shortcuts*
[21:15] <riffautae> glioros: protip, using my full name will pop up an alert if i am not looking at irc :>
[21:15]  * KittyBunny sighs
[21:15] <KittyBunny> I just uninstalled that.
[21:15] <Guest39393> Hi! I need some serious help, anyone know with good knowledge mind whispering me? :(
[21:15] <bitcycle> Hey all.  What's the program that resizes/positions windows using ctrl+alt+1-9?
[21:15] <riffautae> !pm | Guest39393
[21:15] <charminthemoose> Cheers. I got it working now, just had to put the lines into /etc/bash.bashrc
[21:16] <Guest39393> oh ok.. :/
[21:16] <glioros> riffautae : hmm any ideas why my emails are not working ?
[21:16] <riffautae> glioros: outgoing or incoming?
[21:16] <glioros> riffautae both
[21:16] <glioros> I am not even able to login
[21:16] <glioros> on the webmail
[21:16] <riffautae> glioros: is this residential?
[21:17] <glioros> riffautae: no it is a VPS server I am paying for
[21:17] <riffautae> glioros: webmail for a server you are running yourself?
[21:17] <riffautae> glioros: k
[21:17] <KittyBunny> 21:23 < glioros> riffautae: no it is a VPS server I am paying for
[21:17] <KittyBunny> Silly!
[21:17] <Guest55320> Hello. I have Ubuntu 11.10 x64 with Gnome 3.2.1. After an update yesterday i can't start Gnome. gnome-shell says 'unable to open X display'. xdiagnose says 'runtime error: gtk couldn't be initialized'. Please, i need help.
[21:17] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: 1min... rebooting. :(
[21:17] <riffautae> KittyBunny: ?
[21:18] <KittyBunny> riffautae: Huh?
[21:18] <glioros> KittyBunny: why silly?
[21:18] <riffautae> glioros: your reply posted while i was sending my second question i think
[21:18] <KittyBunny> glioros: Because I have like... 10 Ubuntu VPSes all free.
[21:18] <BigLou_> hello
[21:18] <KittyBunny> k brb rebooting
[21:18] <KittyBunny> .
[21:18] <riffautae> glioros: so port 80 isnt working for the web mail runnin on the same server?
[21:19] <moo-> i want firefox 8!! PUT IT!!
[21:19] <glioros> riffautae: I have no idea we are trying here from morning. We rebuild even the container of the server and the emails still not working..
[21:19] <riffautae> moo-: this is support channel, not dev
[21:19] <glioros> riffautae: the rebuild of the container was suggested from the company i am paying for the server
[21:19] <riffautae> glioros: 'container of the server' ?
[21:20] <keis_> Hi
[21:20] <keis_> WHat is a good AVI TO DVD software for ubuntu?
[21:20] <glioros> riffautae: yes the server runs Plesk. and there is a section you can manage your container..
[21:20] <chaospsychex> hi i am having trouble finding 'audacious-plugins-xtra' ?
[21:21] <Guest39393> I installed the latest ubuntu version on a 2 GB USB stick (live version) and started my computer up with it. And on that computer i've got an old HDD wich i use IDE on. anyways, when i choosed to install ubuntu on that hard drive it told me that it had to remove all the partitions to continue, i selected OK. An error popped up saying that it couldnt delete it, and everything froze.. i waited
[21:21] <Guest39393> a few minutes, but then i restarted my computer. Now it cant find my hard drive anymore. Not in BIOS, from an old XP-CD i've got OR ubuntu. Did ubuntu destroy my hard drive?
[21:21] <Guest39393> sorry my english :(
[21:21] <chaospsychex> join #kubuntu
[21:21] <riffautae> Guest39393: prolly a coincidence and the drive just happened to die right then
[21:21] <moo-> riffautae, where is dev channel?
[21:22] <riffautae> Guest39393: but check the cables just in case it got bumped loose
[21:22] <Guest39393> but i can still hear the hdd start up when i start my computer "/
[21:22] <h00k> Guest39393: Check your cables, but if the BIOS can't find it, there's a hardware issue
[21:22] <webPragmatist> can a drive be mounted as read only?
[21:22] <Guest39393> i've checked my cables.. four times :(
[21:22] <Resistance> webPragmatist:  only time i've' seen that is when you try and use NTFS without the ntfs-3g package
[21:23] <Resistance> webPragmatist:  why?
[21:23] <moo-> webPragmatist, yes
[21:23] <moo-> webPragmatist, check /etc/fstab
[21:23] <riffautae> Guest39393: ): hdd can break in weird ways, try the hdd in a diff comp
[21:23] <Guest39393> i think that HDD is FAT32
[21:23] <h00k> Guest39393: it sounds like you had a hard drive failure. Does it make any noise or spin up when you get power to it?
[21:23] <Resistance> oh wait, yeah it can be done *forgot he did that with 10.10*
[21:23] <Guest39393> yes, it do spin up!
[21:23] <h00k> Guest39393: but if your BIOS doesn't see it, there's a hardware issue
[21:23] <Guest39393> so.. it's dead? :(
[21:23] <KittyBunny> Hoover! Hoover! Hoover!  Hoover! Hoover! Hoover!
[21:24] <KittyBunny> brb
[21:24] <ButtersPEET> Hello. I have Ubuntu 11.10 x64 with Gnome 3.2.1. After an update yesterday i can't start Gnome. gnome-shell says 'unable to open X display'. xdiagnose says 'runtime error: gtk couldn't be initialized'. Please, i need help.
[21:24] <Guest39393> it sounds just like it done before... :/
[21:25] <riffautae> Guest39393: hw can break in weird ways, its not like a car engine where broken things make weird noises
[21:25] <keis_> what program to use to convert AVI to DVD??
[21:25] <keis_> in UBuntu
[21:25] <Guest39393> that sucks :(
[21:25] <Akiraa> how do you get ubuntu's pubkey which is advertised over ssh?
[21:25] <ButtersPEET> Please help me :-(
[21:26] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, everytime you add sound apps you have you have to reset it in audio settings
[21:26] <riffautae> Akiraa: prolly in /etc/ssh/
[21:26] <h00k> Akiraa: ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[21:26] <blind> Okay, this time when my internet died still nothing in the dmesg out of the ordinary.. but I could successfully ping the router with <1sec ping.. but i couldn't access internet. but i have another computer connected to the router working no problem
[21:27] <riffautae> glioros: is webmail port 443?
[21:27] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: What you mean?
[21:27] <lystra> Anyone with any idea why I'm seeing dropped packets on a bonded interface? http://pastebin.com/EMKp6bHv
[21:27] <KittyBunny> lystra: lol
[21:27] <KittyBunny> Hoover! Hoover! Hoover! Hoover!
[21:27] <KittyBunny> brb
[21:27] <Guest39393> well, if you care. I can come back later and say how it went with my HDD, im going to try a little more. Thanks anyways!
[21:28] <haylo_> what is the default temperature in unity or should i install xensor lm sensor etc?
[21:28] <chaospsychex> guest does your bios detect the hd ?
[21:28] <Guest39393> no :(
[21:28] <chaospsychex> is it sata or ata ?
[21:28] <Guest39393> it did before, but after the reboot. it stopped
[21:28] <Guest39393> IDE
[21:29] <chaospsychex> how many hdd are on the ribbon cable ?
[21:29] <Guest39393> one
[21:29] <chaospsychex> what do you have the jumper set to?
[21:29] <ButtersPEET> Could please anybody help me, i don't know what to do anymore.
[21:29] <Guest39393> jumper? :s
[21:29] <chaospsychex> have you changed anythiing in your bios settings?
[21:29] <Guest39393> no, i have not
[21:29] <piranah> Anyone run into issues with NX Client and Ubuntu 11.10 ? Im missing menu's even with Unity turned off
[21:29] <chaospsychex> go into your bios and revert back to default settings and save and exit
[21:29] <Guest39393> oh! i'll try that :)
[21:30] <chaospsychex> are you trying to dual boot on this hdd ?
[21:30] <riffautae> Guest39393: http://www.harddriveupgrade.com/jumper_pins.shtml
[21:30] <piranah> worse Vino only intermit works
[21:30] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, reset your pulseaudio in sound and video configuration
[21:30] <Guest39393> no :P
[21:30] <haylo_> is ther a temp gauge for ubuntu or do i have to install lmsensors?
[21:30] <haylo_> i am trying to keep my os slim as possibl
[21:31] <riffautae> haylo_: have to have lmsensors
[21:31] <keis_> I am trying to install MANDVD but I downloaded a TZ file?
[21:31] <keis_> WHat do I do with it
[21:31] <haylo_> kk thanks:)
[21:31] <chaospsychex> Guest39393: what happens when you turn on the pc with the hdd attached ? what message does it output ?
[21:31] <keis_> obviously its not like an exe file
[21:32] <Akiraa> riffuatae, thanks... apparently, I can't put two keys in the known_hosts file. I have two servers accessed through port forwarding. so 192.168.x.y:1234 is one machine and 192.168.x.y:4567 another, while the downstream router knows to forward port 1234 to the first and 4657 to the other
[21:32] <riffautae> keis_: tz is like zip, you have to extract it. but that prolly means you also have to compile it, you should try to find a program that is in the repo unless you want to find out how to compile software
[21:32] <Guest39393> no messages at all, everything sounds fine, and my computer boots to the usb stick. If my usb stick is not inserted it just says no boot device is connected
[21:32] <Akiraa> riffuatae, the workaround in this case is simply to delete the known_hosts file
[21:32] <haylo_> would you guys please include these sensors if possible they seem indispensible :)
[21:32] <keis_> riffautae: mandvd was in the repo
[21:32] <Offlein> butterspeet: I really don't know what I'm doing, but are your gtk packages installed?
[21:32] <keis_> they removed it after
[21:32] <keis_> I dont know why
[21:33] <keis_> because now I cannot locate it
[21:33] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: one second, I'll check
[21:33] <riffautae> keis_: may need to enable universe or multiverse
[21:33] <riffautae> !repo | keis_
[21:34] <Geralt_> Hi, is the user@host part at the end of an ssh public key used during authentication? I need to use that key pair from two different accounts
[21:34] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: Okay, I don't know if Gnome3 requires GTK 3 .. I would assume it does. You could probably "sudo apt-get install libgtk3-common" to get it?
[21:34] <Offlein> I guess it couldn't hurt to pick up libgtk2.0-common as well
[21:34] <keis_> riffautae: do you know of anotehr software than converts avi to dvd?
[21:34] <keis_> that is in the reop
[21:34] <riffautae> haylo_: are you resquesting lmsensors be isntalled by default? yea i kinda wish it was too, with a watchdog app
[21:34] <moo-> i hope unity sucks less in upcoming 12.04
[21:35] <piranah> moo-: i'll second that
[21:35] <moo-> i hope you can disable all the useless lenses and scopes
[21:35] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: and also, it's never the perfect advice, but you may want to try killing your xorg.conf if you haven't yet. Probably in "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" .. I'd mv it somewhere, and then reboot and, uh, hope it gets rebuilt.
[21:35] <moo-> i hate the repository integration with app suggestions
[21:35] <KittyBunny> Hoover! Hoover! Hoover! Hoover!
[21:35] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: k
[21:35] <Offlein> moo- I just switched to Fedora, actually, for just that reason.
[21:35] <scar3crow> Ubuntu 11.10 does not recognize my video card, (ATI Radeon 5xxx) and there are no proprietary drivers listed when I go to system settings--> Additional drivers. Please help I want o play opengl games
[21:36] <riffautae> keis_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DVDAuthoring
[21:36] <h00k> KittyBunny: can you please stop that :)
[21:36] <piranah> Offlein: fedora rocks but I still have faith the Ubuntu well get thier act together
[21:36] <yeats> !ati | scar3crow
[21:36] <KittyBunny> h00k: Huh? Stop what?
[21:36] <gsr> Hi all.  Trying to add an icon to the launcher at the top of the screen.   I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, Gnome Classic.  When I right or left click, nothing happens.  If I hold down ALT and right click I also get nothing.
[21:36] <moo-> Offlein, i cant stand unity, i use gnome-session-fallback with gnome-classic
[21:36] <Offlein> piranah: that makes one of us. I mean, eh, I just don't get Unity.  But Fedora is kind of a big difference.
[21:36] <Offlein> Not a BIG BIG difference. But I had to get my bearings.
[21:37] <area51pilot> .
[21:37] <Offlein> I am really liking Gnome 3 on it, though. (After like a week of use.)
[21:37] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: over apt-get, it can't find the package
[21:37] <Bragex9> I ran sudo apt-get update and got this error message in return: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found. What is wrong here, and how do I fix it?
[21:37] <piranah> Offlein: ya for sure :) Like moo- i have disabled unity and run gnome instead but its still not perfect. Fedora is sweet once ya get your bearings
[21:37] <no-name-> what's a good undelete program?
[21:38] <lukas_> Hello, I want to ask, is the unity window manager opensource?
[21:38] <Offlein> ButtersPEET your apt packages up-to-date? "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get upgrade" ? Do you have actual sources in your "/etc/apt/sources.list"? (If that got dumped, that could be bad!)
[21:38] <moo-> piranah, i didnt like gnome-shell either in gnome3, but gnome-session-fallback with gnome-panel (gnome 2.x style) is nice
[21:38] <piranah> moo-: agreed
[21:38] <Offlein> hear hear.
[21:39] <ButtersPEET> i did update and upgrade about 2 hours ago, I'll check the sources.list now. i moved the file
[21:39] <mang0> Is there a way I can skip the "Unlock login keyring" at startup? It's really irratating....
[21:40] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: I can't be bothered with this anymore.
[21:40] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: Okay. I'm sorry I'm not super helpful.
[21:40] <KittyBunny> Do you know of another media library?
[21:40] <KittyBunny> Please don't say Rythmebox.
[21:40] <KittyBunny> It's bugged.
[21:40] <piranah> mang0 dont use autologin
[21:41] <ButtersPEET> no it's great. I have this problem sind maybe 15 hours and still no solution but your the first to help me. thanks
[21:41] <KittyBunny> Hoover! Hoover! Hoover! Hoover!
[21:41] <mang0> piranah: Same problem though, I've still got to enter my password to login
[21:42] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: Understood.. and sorry about that too. For what it's worth, I saw you asked for a help a few times, but you will get better results if you just kind of re-say your question each time you give it another go around. Because people are lazy and often won't scroll back to see the original question. :)
[21:42] <pooltable> help hopw top fipx thpipsp Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.38-13-generic_2.6.38-13.52_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:42] <pooltable> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.38-13_2.6.38-13.52_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:42] <pooltable> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/linux-headers-2.6.38-13-generic_2.6.38-13.52_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:42] <FloodBot1> pooltable: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:42] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: in the sources.list there are many sources.
[21:42] <Dark_Apostrophe> May already have been posted, but I guess it doesn't hurt to do so: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/11/11/2036245/linux-kernel-power-bug-is-fixed
[21:42] <riffautae> Dark_Apostrophe: nice!!
[21:43] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: I can't be bothered with this anymore.
[21:43] <KittyBunny> It's bugged.
[21:43] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: Sounds like your sources is not the issue. :( Would it be enough to just get back to any GUI at this point? (You're stuck at a command line, right?)
[21:43] <KittyBunny> Do you know of another media library?
[21:43] <KittyBunny> Please don't say Rythmebox.
[21:43] <KittyBunny> It's bugged.
[21:43] <Dark_Apostrophe> KittyBunny: Songbird
[21:43] <piranah> mang0 http://askubuntu.com/questions/68292/how-to-auto-unlock-keyring-manager
[21:43] <KittyBunny> :O
[21:43] <BluesKaj> KittyBunny, try vlc , smplayer  or other players
[21:43] <riffautae> ButtersPEET: that url you pasted doesnt look like a standard mirror, can you pastebin your /etc/sources.lst ?
[21:44] <Dark_Apostrophe> KittyBunny: Though to get it working, you need to install ia32-libs.
[21:44] <riffautae> ButtersPEET: you can use pastebinit to do that
[21:44] <Dark_Apostrophe> If you're on 64-bit, that is.
[21:44] <KittyBunny> BluesKaj: Nah... Songbirt sounds AWESOME!
[21:44] <KittyBunny> *songbird
[21:44] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: yeah, i have black and white and a textbrowser and everything, but i learned very much by that.
[21:44] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: I would be happy with everything else.
[21:44] <pooltable> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.38-13-generic_2.6.38-13.52_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:44] <Dark_Apostrophe> KittyBunny: Songbird used to have an official Linux release, but they stopped a few years ago, too little manpower. There is an unofficial port on their wiki.
[21:44] <BluesKaj> ok , go for it , KittyBunny ..I've never tried it so good luck
[21:45] <yeats> pooltable: what's your question?
[21:45] <Offlein> ButtersPEET congrats there. Hey I dunno if it works this way in Oneiric, but I once got stuck there and I just had to type "gdm"
[21:45] <glioros> how to Rebuild the Email configuration ?
[21:45] <Offlein> and then the Gnome Desktop Manager opened
[21:45] <Offlein> ButtersPEET you could try "sudo apt-get install gdm gnome-desktop-environment"  and see if that helps
[21:45] <riffautae> glioros: that will depend on your email server, youll have to read the docs
[21:45] <Offlein> KittyBunny I used to use Songbird but I found it really frustrating
[21:46] <pooltable> how to fit it i try to up grade it
[21:46] <KittyBunny> Offlein: Oh.
[21:46] <Offlein> Also it moved all my effing music without asking
[21:46] <Offlein> KittyBunny: and it was slower than I was happy with.
[21:46] <KittyBunny> Offlein: :O
[21:46] <Offlein> Kittybunny: Banshee's no good?
[21:46] <Dark_Apostrophe> KittyBunny: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Contributed_Builds <-- Songbird
[21:46] <KittyBunny> Oshit!
[21:46] <yeats> pooltable: try 'sudo apt-get update'
[21:46] <KittyBunny> I'll try smplayer then. :)
[21:46] <pooltable> but it can not be found
[21:46] <ironhalik> if today was a kernel parch published on kernel mailing list, when can it be expected in ubuntu repos?
[21:46] <Offlein> I really like banshee.
[21:47] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: org.gnome.displayDisplayManager connection is not allowed. could not aquire name bailing out.
[21:47] <KittyBunny> Dark_Apostrophe: No thanks.
[21:47] <Dark_Apostrophe> ironhalik: The power regression fix? I'd like to know that, too.
[21:47] <KittyBunny> I'm not going to bother.
[21:47] <ironhalik> yeah
[21:47] <KittyBunny> It will move my music without asking.
[21:47] <ironhalik> Dark_Apostrophe: you tried applying it from git?
[21:47] <Offlein> KittyBunny: Haha, I can't guarantee it will. It just did. Maybe 2 years ago this was.
[21:47] <Dark_Apostrophe> Nope
[21:47] <KittyBunny> And it will act slow like hell.
[21:48] <Offlein> That's a fact.
[21:48] <KittyBunny> Offlein: Well...
[21:48] <KittyBunny> I can't risk it.
[21:48] <Dark_Apostrophe> ironhalik: If you find out, mind telling me?
[21:48] <pooltable> yeats i did it but did not fine any thing but the update manager has 12 update?
[21:48] <Offlein> understood. But, what of Banshee, kittybunny?
[21:48] <Offlein> ButtersPEET Did you google this? Do you have a web browser available to you?
[21:48] <ironhalik> Dark_Apostrophe: Ill will honestly try, but i dont promise ;>
[21:48] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: at the moment it's installing, it might take a moment
[21:48] <KittyBunny> Bluelight: NICE!
[21:49] <KittyBunny> Smplayer is like Windows Media Player!
[21:49] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: You can try your hand at Lynx (sudo apt-get install lynx), the text-only web browser if you want.
[21:49] <Dark_Apostrophe> ironhalik: Well, thanks in advance if you do :)
[21:49] <Bluelight> ?
[21:49] <ironhalik> ;>
[21:49] <ButtersPEET> Offlein:  i use links2 as browser
[21:49] <KittyBunny> OMG!
[21:49] <Bluelight> What is it?
[21:49] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: I also might try: "sudo apt-get remove gdm --purge" and then when that's done, install it again
[21:49] <Dark_Apostrophe> ironhalik: Btw, halik (hallik, actually) is Norwegian for pimp. The iron pimp :P
[21:50] <yeats> pooltable: click "Check" on Update Manager - see if it refreshes
[21:51] <ironhalik> Dark_Apostrophe: The nick is after famous polish traveler, Tony Halik - but pimp is nice too ;>
[21:51] <Offlein> Butterspeet: This one to try too, once it's installed again "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[21:51] <KittyBunny> OMFG!
[21:51] <yeats> !ot | KittyBunny
[21:51] <KittyBunny> VLC it is then.
[21:52] <KittyBunny> yeats: I'm speaking ontopic. :(
[21:52] <yeats> KittyBunny: it's a noisy channel and all the OMG! stuff is unnecessary - just sayin'
[21:52] <leroy> bristol wireless people
[21:53] <KittyBunny> yeats: k :(
[21:53]  * KittyBunny sighs
[21:54] <leroy> m h shh tine
[21:54] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: Thank you very much. the last one worked. Yeah, dapadapadu ;-)
[21:55] <Offlein> ButtersPEET Hooray! Which one? The /etc/init.d/gdm restart? Or purging it and reinstalling it?
[21:55] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: And did it load Gnome 2 or Gnome 3?
[21:56] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: after gdm restart, it loaded gnome 3. Thank you very much it's working now. thank you. after that all, i think i'll get a beer now. Cheers Offlein.
[21:57] <Johnnychimpo26> ok just did a new install of ubuntu on my second hard drive to run along side windows 7.  i dont get the option at start up to select ubuntu or windows it just boots into windows
[21:57] <Offlein> ButtersPEET: AWesome! Can I just ask one more thing? What does "dapadapadu" mean?
[21:58] <yeats> !fixgrub | Johnnychimpo26
[21:58] <Johnnychimpo26> thanks
[21:58] <ButtersPEET> Offlein: I'm german, and yeah, you say it out, when you are happy about something or smthing went out well. but it's not so usually used.
[21:59] <Offlein> ButtersPEET Ahh! Hahah. Got it! I thought you were French for some reason, so I asked my french friend and she didn't know.
[22:00] <ButtersPEET> hehe, thank you very much, you really helped me great. i'll leave now, enough stuff done today, thanks and goodbye
[22:00] <Offlein> no problem
[22:00] <Offlein> enjoy your beer!
[22:00] <Offlein> bye.
[22:00] <juanma> yeah
[22:01] <juanma> ajajaj no
[22:01] <juanma> ºno
[22:01] <juanma> adios ajaja no
[22:02] <KittyBunny> Why is it when I go to Places>Computer there is no partitions there?
[22:02] <KittyBunny> I need to access partition sdx3.
[22:02] <KittyBunny> It was there before.
[22:04] <kenperkins> besides enabling the multiverse repo, and installing msttcorefonts, is there anything you need to do to enable these (using qtwebkit and xvfb)
[22:05] <scarleo_> Is there no photo handling software that can sync with Picasa and actually keep track of which photos are uploaded and not? And also sync both ways?
[22:06] <denny> Can anybody tell me how to configure the auto-raise delay for focus-follows-mouse in Ubuntu 11.10 running the fallback WM/DE?
[22:06] <KittyBunny> Why is it when I go to Places>Computer there is no partitions there?
[22:06] <KittyBunny> I need to access partition sdx3.
[22:06] <KittyBunny> It was there before.
[22:08] <KittyBunny> helen@helen-Aspire-M1640:~$ mount /dev/sda3
[22:08] <KittyBunny> mount: can't find /dev/sda3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[22:08] <KittyBunny> NO!
[22:08] <yeats> KittyBunny: what is the output of 'sudo fdisk -l'? (pastebin it)
[22:11] <KittyBunny> yeats: http://pastebin.com/n2SE2cYR
[22:11] <KittyBunny> I tried to mount sdb3 too.
[22:12] <moo-> put firefox 8 in ubuntu!! NOW!!!11
[22:12] <KittyBunny> moo-: lol chill out!
[22:12] <moo-> im very angry
[22:12] <moo-> cuz my friends who has mac and windows have firefox 8
[22:13] <johnnychimpo> what was that link to fix grub
[22:13] <moo-> and i have firefox 7
[22:13] <moo-> this is very unfair!!
[22:13] <johnnychimpo> im lost still
[22:13] <johnnychimpo> in live cd now
[22:13] <yeats> KittyBunny: try 'sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/ntfs'
[22:13] <yeats> !fixgrub
[22:13] <Bluelight> Nice! I love the new 11:11 - 11.11.2011 energies.. Wonder what they are..! Me thinks not the end but a new beginning..
[22:13] <KittyBunny> yeats: But it's sdb3 not sda3 lol
[22:14] <yeats> KittyBunny: ah - well - I'll leave that to you to correct ;-)
[22:14] <KittyBunny> yeats: Ofc. :)
[22:14] <KittyBunny> COME ON SPEED UP CHOP CHOP
[22:14] <KittyBunny> lol
[22:14] <ironhalik> is tere any tool that could precisely show my my laptops power draw?
[22:14] <KittyBunny> FINALLY
[22:14] <moo-> ironhalik, 'powertop'
[22:14] <moo-> ironhalik, i dont think so
[22:15] <yeats> !firefox | moo-
[22:15] <ironhalik> moo-: powertop seems off, showing strange values
[22:15] <leroy> m h are you in there
[22:15] <KittyBunny> yeats: What is that meant to have done?
[22:15] <yeats> KittyBunny: it mounted /dev/sdb3 on /mnt/ntfs
[22:16]  * KittyBunny kisses yeats
[22:16] <zmbmartin> My hp envy 17 laptop i7 runs around 65C at idle is that normal. I get about 1 hour on battery.
[22:16] <KittyBunny> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
[22:16] <moo-> yeats, thanks, when it gets put in official repo?
[22:17] <guntbert> moo-: for 11.10? never
[22:17] <yeats> moo-: no idea ;-)
[22:17] <moo-> zmbmartin, linux kernel 2.6.38 up to 3.2 contains a power regression, will be fixed in 3.2 or 3.3
[22:17] <yeats> KittyBunny: you're welcome
[22:17] <zmbmartin> moo-: can I install 2.6.37 then on 11.10?
[22:17] <moo-> guntbert, but i remember in 11.04 i had ff6 then i got ff7
[22:18] <moo-> zmbmartin, unsure...
[22:18] <guntbert> moo-: I don't remember exactly to be honest, but the general policy is "security updates only"
[22:19] <moo-> guntbert, wasnt it decicded that firefox would always get updated?
[22:20] <guntbert> moo-: not to my knowledge - but I *may* err :)
[22:20] <yeats> moo-: if you really want to be ahead of your friends, enable the mozilla-daily PPA ;-)
[22:20] <genii-around> moo-: If you want the latest and greatest version of Firefox, the PPA is the way to go. Current nightly version is at 10
[22:23] <ChibiTan> I'm getting random reboots, both in the middle of doing something and just overnight (sometimes but not always). Already ruled out overheating, RAM, and power. What logs should I be looking at, and what should I be looking for in them to try to nail this down?
[22:24] <yeats> ChibiTan: start with /var/log/syslog
[22:27] <Technicus> How can I encourage KDE applications to comply with Gnome color schemes?
[22:29] <ChibiTan> yeats: Last thing in syslog before most recent reboot is "Nov 11 13:17:01 Lime CRON[3254]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)". That's about 15-20 minutes before it rebooted (at which point I put it into memtest for a couple hours)
[22:30] <landau> hello..i have this problem Could not update ICEauthority file /home/ciccio/.ICEauthority
[22:31] <landau> after that i deleted .ICEauthority but i not fixed it!! how to fix it?
[22:31] <yeats> ChibiTan: that's a normal line - almost certainly not related to a crash
[22:32] <yeats> Technicus: KDE & Gnome are built using different graphics libraries so it's nigh impossible to get KDE apps to look good in Gnome and vice versa
[22:34] <yeats> landau: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=949750 - though there's nothing there about what to do if you delete the file
[22:35] <rick12> pessoal como faco para colocar permisao de usar usb e pasta para o virtualbox no ubuntu 11.10
[22:35] <Technicus> yeats: I hate impossible like I hate being required to register an account on a website to view or download simple files.
[22:36] <landau> oh noo!!
[22:36] <yeats> Technicus: understood - well there may be some sites out there that tell you how to hack it to make it better
[22:37] <ChibiTan> yeats: So where else should I be looking?
[22:37] <Technicus> yeats: That is what it looks like, gtk them for kde.
[22:48] <Guest81183> What's the alternative to typing the entire file name in terminal?
[22:48] <yeats> ChibiTan: try dmesg?
[22:48] <kermit> Rya_n: tab
[22:48] <yeats> !tab | Rya_n
[22:48] <pfifo> is there a way to make a password change dialog pop up when a user logs in? The goal is to set a password on a livecd when it boots.
[22:49] <happyface> upgrading to 11.10 now :D
[22:49] <Rya_n> cool, thanks.
[22:49] <bobweaver> !remaster pfifo:
[22:49] <pfifo> bobweaver, that isnt what i asked
[22:50] <bobweaver> pfifo:  there is a bot command that leads to a page that shows you how to set a password on a live cd
[22:51] <yeats> !remaster
[22:51] <Rya_n> Another question: When running programs through terminal, how can I run them independent of the terminal? (so that I can continue using the terminal)
[22:51] <fellayaboy> Theres no way to resize ubunuts partition without having to create a cd
[22:51] <pfifo> bobweaver, yes, im familiar (its !remaster | pfifo) but Im not trying to set a password on the livecd but rather have the CD ask for a password upon booting
[22:52] <bobweaver> that is just the thing then
[22:52] <dalek_> ok.. here's my problem. I was running Ubuntu 10.10, and ALL video players were working fine. I had to do a fresh re-install from scratch since my backup drive failed. Now ONLY VLC media player works and every other player is slow choppy video and no audio. The video files I am trying to play look normal and indeed played perfectly pre-reinstall. Video properties are vid codec XVID MPEG-4 and audio codec  MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3
[22:52] <dalek_> (MP3).   Obviously I have failed to install something which I had installed previously, but I can't work out what that component (or components) is. Please help! Can anyone suggest what I may be missing?  VLC works perfectly, but I can't use my remote with that, so I want to use totem.
[22:53] <schreber> can someone tell me why drives that are mounted would not show up in nautilus?
[22:53] <oldschool> hi i was setting up compiz on ubuntu 11.10 and all my desktop icons and taskbar disappeared i was just left with the wallpaper anyone know how can i get all this back
[22:53] <Rya_n> When running programs through terminal, how can I run them independent of the terminal? (so that I can continue using the terminal)
[22:53] <bobweaver> pfifo:  you are talking about Removing the (Casper) Autologin ?
[22:53] <dcherniv> Rya_n, nohup program &
[22:54] <pfifo> bobweaver, can you explain a bit further? I dont recall that page giving instructions for creating a password at boot time (I do know however that you can HARD CODE a password into the livesystem itself)
[22:54] <haylo_> &    Rya_n sounds right
[22:54] <fellayaboy> thats one thing windows 7 has over linux currently right now..is the ability to repartition while your still using the operating system
[22:54] <qin> Rya_n: screen, tmux?
[22:54] <pfifo> bobweaver, no casper stays, it should autologin, and then ask for a password for the session, so you can lock screen and use sudo witth a password
[22:54] <Rya_n> dchernic: huh?
[22:55] <Rya_n> qin: huh? lol
[22:55] <dcherniv> Rya_n, nohup firefox & for example will run firefox and detach from terminal so you can type commands in the terminal again
[22:56] <dtigue> fellayaboy: being able to repartition while still using the OS is not exactly a feature and can actually cause alot of problems, probably more so for inexperienced users though
[22:56] <qin> Rya_n: either run program in background, as dcherniv shown you, or use multiplexer like tmux
[22:56] <bobweaver> pfifo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization     section Removing  Autologin    might help
[22:56] <bobweaver> pfifo:  i missed what you said above sorry
[22:56] <Rya_n> dcherniv: What does & do?
[22:56] <ChibiTan> yeats: Not seeing anything that sticks out. What should I be looking for? Or should I just toss it up on pastebin?
[22:57] <fellayaboy> dtigue i see..i personally never had a problem with it on windows..i dont really support windows but that feature was extremely convenient and windows does a fast job at it to
[22:57] <dcherniv> Rya_n, puts a process in the background
[22:57] <dcherniv> Rya_n, nohup = no hang up, meaning even if terminal is closed program will still keep running
[22:57] <fellayaboy> dtigue, but i do agree. it might not be safe
[22:58] <bobweaver> pfifo:  do you know how to use remastersys there is a option to make with your files or not one makes with password other is auto login
[22:58] <Rya_n> dcherniv: Cool. Still don't get the & though. Background, relative to what?
[22:58] <pfifo> bobweaver, no, the autologin section does the opposite of what i want
[22:58] <eron> trying to install a game with wine, when I click on the setup.exe file mes the msg that it is not marked as executable I can not find an option in properties>permissions to change, where should I look
[22:58] <dcherniv> Rya_n, relative to terminal
[22:59] <bobweaver> pfifo:  I dont understand what you mean by session please elaborate .
[22:59] <pfifo> bobweaver, what im askig for is simpler that your making it, I want a GUI program the can set/change your password
[22:59] <dalek_> ok.. here's my problem. I was running Ubuntu 10.10, and ALL video players were working fine. I had to do a fresh re-install from scratch since my backup drive failed. Now ONLY VLC media player works and every other player is slow choppy video and no audio. The video files I am trying to play look normal and indeed played perfectly pre-reinstall. Video properties are vid codec XVID MPEG-4 and audio codec  MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3
[22:59] <dalek_> (MP3).   Obviously I have failed to install something which I had installed previously, but I can't work out what that component (or components) is. Please help! Can anyone suggest what I may be missing?  VLC works perfectly, but I can't use my remote with that, so I want to use totem.
[22:59] <Rya_n> dcherniv: But I just tried "nohup firefox" and "firefox &". They seem to do what I want.
[22:59] <bobweaver> pfifo:  ever think about making one with quickly ?
[23:00] <pfifo> bobweaver, I am a programmer, I could make one. Im hoping I wont have to :)
[23:01] <bobweaver> pfifo: check out quickly if you dont know what it is http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/    just trying to spread the word ;>)
[23:01] <aetas-dk> Can some one tell me why I cannot start applications in ubuntu server gui?
[23:01] <pfifo> bobweaver, Ill look into it
[23:02] <bobweaver> pfifo:  glade also accepts bash as the handeler :>)
[23:02] <fellayaboy> is there a multi usb booter for linux?
[23:02] <eron> Anyone able to tell me how to change permission on an .exe file so I can runit with wine?
[23:03] <bobweaver> !permissions | eron
[23:03] <pfifo> bobweaver, i dont know python, but i can use gtk with C. not sure if quickly would be much use to me
[23:03] <bobweaver> pfifo:  :>)
[23:03] <eron> ty
[23:04] <bobweaver> pfifo:  I will make what you want right now brb
[23:05] <pfifo> bobweaver, ok, if it works out ill put it in my ppa
[23:07] <eron> i opened up the properties>permissions and it only says thet the permissions of "Setup.exe" could not be determined that means I have to use the comand line to uncover whats going on?
[23:07] <eron> I'm on day 2 of using linux
[23:08] <yeats> ChibiTan: sorry - up and down ;-) - I don't know.  Your system should have messages about going down for reboot or halt.
[23:09] <jayar> is it black friday?
[23:09] <symb0l__> I really dig unity, but I'm wondering if there is a way to disable the top bar and have the side panel extend to the top of the screen.  anyone done this?
[23:09] <symb0l__> historically I would just remove the gnome-panel executable
[23:10] <charminthemoose> Can anyone point me to a website that has generic icons for apps? like, web browser, IRC, etc etc.
[23:10] <jayar> symb0l__: i autohide the sidebar, and use docky. its like the OS X dock
[23:11] <dalek_> ok.. here's my problem. I was running Ubuntu 10.10, and ALL video players were working fine. I had to do a fresh re-install from scratch since my backup drive failed. Now ONLY VLC media player works and every other player is slow choppy video and no audio. The video files I am trying to play look normal and indeed played perfectly pre-reinstall. Video properties are vid codec XVID MPEG-4 and audio codec  MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3
[23:11] <dalek_> (MP3).   Obviously I have failed to install something which I had installed previously, but I can't work out what that component (or components) is. Please help! Can anyone suggest what I may be missing?  VLC works perfectly, but I can't use my remote with that, so I want to use totem.
[23:11] <symb0l__> jayar: yes I like docky also.  I used docky/gnome do for a long time, but I really want to give unity a chance.
[23:11] <ChibiTan> yeats: Doesn't look like it.
[23:13] <Frederycho> hai
[23:19] <OliveGreen> Hi all.
[23:19] <bit0> hi!, Why Ubuntu hasn't trademark problems with Mozilla? (as Debian has it)
[23:20] <OliveGreen> What's the name of the JRE included in the Ubuntu repos?
[23:21] <KittyBunny> OliveGreen: OpenJRE
[23:22] <OliveGreen> KittyBunny, The package name?
[23:23] <KittyBunny> OliveGreen: Go to the Software Center and do a search for openjre. :)
[23:23] <KittyBunny> It's there.
[23:24] <OliveGreen> KittyBunny, Oh, yeah. That's right. It's just that I'm used to installing stuff from the terminal that's all. :P
[23:25] <dalek_> NEW INFO for my problem -[ I found I can get some audio if I start shifting the playback progress scrubber forwards and backwards... but still no audio if I just let the file play through without touching it] I was running Ubuntu 10.10, and ALL video players were working fine. I had to do a fresh re-install from scratch since my backup drive failed. Now ONLY VLC media player works and every other player is slow choppy video an
[23:25] <dalek_> d no audio. The video files I am trying to play look normal and indeed played perfectly pre-reinstall. Video properties are vid codec XVID MPEG-4 and audio codec  MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3 (MP3).   Obviously I have failed to install something which I had installed previously, but I can't work out what that component (or components) is. Please help! Can anyone suggest what I may be missing?  VLC works perfectly, but I can't use my
[23:25] <dalek_> remote with that, so I want to use totem.
[23:25] <FloodBot1> dalek_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:25] <Calinou> !pastebin
[23:25] <OliveGreen> KittyBunny, You meant OpenJDK, right?
[23:26] <m4v> bit0: that is offtopic here, but is Debian the one that has problems with Mozilla. Since their trademarks aren't free enough for be included in Debian. You can ask futher in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:27] <bit0> m4v, thank you :)
[23:28] <aaroninfidel> anyone know of a good place to get a server? I want to ssh into a box and use it to build websites on remotely.
[23:30] <KittyBunny> OliveGreen: Nope
[23:30] <KittyBunny> I meant OpenJRE
[23:30] <KittyBunny> I even use it to play Minecraft. lol
[23:31] <dalek_> I have video playback problem. Read this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/735768/   - - too big to fit in channel.
[23:34] <alienjon> Something with the window manager in my 11.10 box just crashed
[23:34] <alienjon> anyone have a problem where unity doesn't seem to load/work?
[23:35] <alienjon> I did have the compiz settings open and I was making edits and my computer froze so I reboot.  I'm wondering if I can reset the settings somewhere?
[23:37] <apwbdjp> alienjon, can you access a terminal?
[23:37] <apwbdjp> alienjon, just try this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-tip-how-to-reset-compiz-settings-to-default-system-settings-from-command-line.html
[23:37] <rypervenche> KittyBunny: It's not OpenJDK's jre?
[23:37] <atruno> when i boot ubuntu grub2 is never displayed my monitor instead gives me a message saying d-sub is out of range.  it used to display drub2 information.  is it a bios setting that is perhaps wrong ?
[23:38] <dalek_> I have video playback problem.  I had to reinstall EVERYTHING. now video playback is jerk-o-vision choppy with no sound in everything EXCEPT VLC. What am i missing???? What have I forgotten to re-install???  READ THIS - http://paste.ubuntu.com/735768/
[23:42] <ryan> rya_n
[23:42] <rya_n> How do you add desktop icons?
[23:43] <rya_n> Like shortcuts, etc.
[23:44] <rya_n> How do you add desktop icons?
[23:44] <bjrohan> Hi all. Anyone running Ubunto 11.10 and experience slow wirless internet connect? Mine starts fine, then degrades in about an hour.
[23:45] <wal3> 11.04 is a really worse release. nothing but problems. e.g. rhythm segfaults when I change some options.
[23:45] <wal3> arh. i mean 11.10
[23:46] <sasori> is therea way to autocomplete words in terminal?..let's say e.g am about to go inside the Documents dir, if i type Doc, is there an available shortcut to complete that?
[23:47] <trism> sasori: tab
[23:47] <sasori> tnx
[23:48] <trism> sasori: tab twice and it will show possible expansions
[23:48] <sasori> ok, kewl :D
[23:49] <rya_n> How do you add desktop icons? Like shortcuts and stuff.
[23:50] <Guest25956> can I delete files icon-theme.cache?
[23:51] <aguitel> i installed xfce4 ,how remove gnome 3 ?
[23:52] <rypervenche> sasori: Check out http://www.linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php for an awesome PDF on the command line.
[23:53] <sasori> ok, how bout syntax highligthing in vi editor? ...( for coding )
[23:53] <Guest25956> you cannot delete gnome at all - many programms depend on it's components
[23:53] <BlouBlou> aguitel: well, you don't need to remove it, you can have both installed
[23:54] <aguitel> BlouBlou, i know
[23:54] <Chaser_> sasori, add syntax on in your .vimrc or :syntax on (vim)
[23:54] <Guest25956> if you hate it so much you can remove gnome-session
[23:54] <sasori> a step by step tut will help :D Chaser_
[23:55] <matteo__> none is perfect
[23:55] <dalek_> my video playback was normal. I had to reinstall EVERYTHING. now video playback is jerk-o-vision choppy with no sound in everything EXCEPT VLC. What am i missing???? What have I forgotten to re-install???  READ THIS - http://paste.ubuntu.com/735768/
[23:58] <Guest25956> so why for do i need icon-theme.cache - sometimes it is extremely big file
[23:59] <dcherniv> dalek_, mplayer works fine?
[23:59] <MnFisher> hello
[23:59] <charminthemoose> Can anyone point me to a website that has generic icons for apps? like, web browser, music player etc etc.
[23:59] <dalek_> dcherniv, no - only VLC works fine


[15:12] <TUTOtip> bonjour
[15:13] <TUTOtip> quelle langue devons nous parler ici ? anglais ou français svp. mes indications sont bi-linguistes
[15:15] <genii-around> TUTOtip: #ubuntu-qc
[15:15] <TUTOtip> je travaille  sur une  machine ubuntu1010  à distance. Mais je rencontre deux soucis  : l'un concerne ma souris : le clic-droit est impossible à distance. Problème deux virtualbox = meme souci avec en plus non reconnaissance de ma clé usb. Je travaille avec U1010. Merci de votre aide
[15:15] <TUTOtip> sorry
[15:16] <genii-around> TUTOtip: Is OK :)
[15:17] <TUTOtip> my translate : I work on a remote machine ubuntu1010. But I see two concerns: one for my mouse: right-click is not remote. VirtualBox = problem two even more concern with not recognizing my usb key. I work with U1010. Thank you for your help
[15:19] <genii-around> TUTOtip: In here is mostly not for technical support. You will usually find more assistance in the main #ubuntu channel if the question is put in english
[15:23] <dscassel> TUTOtip: I'm busy with work or I'd try to dig into it.
[15:24] <dscassel> We're kind of lousy for support.  genii-around's right, #ubuntu is good if you can take the amount of traffic.
[15:24] <dscassel> #ubuntu-fr is usually pretty busy too, if you're more comfortable in French.
[15:25] <dscassel> Sorry. :)
[15:26] <TUTOtip> no problem and ty
[15:26] <TUTOtip> good night
[15:27] <genii-around> dscassel: My french is abysmal :( Also I don't use virtualbox
[16:29] <wmat> dscassel: did I answer your question yesterday?  Anyway, if not, the answer is that no, I haven't been out to anything in K/W yet but hope to soon.
[16:36] <dscassel> wmat: Well, there are a few coming up. :)
[16:47] <wmat> dscassel: link?
[17:00] <dscassel> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca :)
[17:38] <wmat> cool, thanks
[20:05] <genii-around> Bleh.


[00:01] <len__> Bug #980397
[02:51] <len__> ScottL, we seem to be missing a package (dssi-host-jack) without which the hexter menu item will not work.
[02:53] <len__> Bug #980465
[02:53] <len__> astraljava ^^^
[02:55] <len__> ScottL, astraljava I can find hexter in the seeds but not dssi-host-jack. when I install this package hexter works.
[02:56] <len__> It should be in audio plugins or audio common?
[02:57] <len__> Or generation.
[03:00] <holstein> who can pull the trigger on the website?
[03:00] <holstein> is that still happening?
[03:07] <len__> holstein, I think all the people are worn out and sleeping...
[06:40] <ailo> len_: I've added a bug report for hexter not having jack-dssi as a dependency, but the problem is whether or not you want hexter as a standalone or not
[06:41] <ailo> As a standalone, you need the jack-dssi-host, but you can load it from any host, as a plugin
[06:42] <ailo> Might be a good idea to have two packages. One named hexter-standalone (meta-package with dependencies for both hecter and jack-dssi-host)
[06:43] <ailo> Needs to be adressed to the Debian Multimedia team
[09:02] <astraljava> quadrispro: What's your thoughts on the bug #980465?
[09:03] <quadrispro> astraljava, ? precise does have dssi-host-jack
[09:05] <astraljava> quadrispro: But hexter won't run without it being installed, so the suggests should rather be depends.
[09:06] <quadrispro> astraljava, mmmno, I don't agree 'cause hexter could be loaded in any DSSI host
[09:06] <quadrispro> so it isn't a strict dependency
[09:08] <astraljava> Ok, so it should be just in the seeds, then. Wonder if that makes still in as an important bug fix?
[09:09] <quadrispro> IMHO, no, it isn't
[09:10] <quadrispro> astraljava, although we could promote dssi-host-jack to Recommends, I cannot find a good reason to push users to install something of non-strictly necessary
[09:11] <astraljava> Right, so in your opinion the bug is invalid, and should be handled with just instructing users to install a DSSI host of their choice?
[09:12] <astraljava> quadrispro: But you don't think that should be even in the seeds?
[09:13] <quadrispro> good point, putting it into the seed would not do harm
[09:13] <astraljava> Yeah, that's what I meant that with the bug fix.
[09:15] <quadrispro> agreed
[09:16] <astraljava> Would you be willing to sponsor it if I made the fix right now?
[09:17] <quadrispro> astraljava, yes, of course I would
[09:20] <astraljava> quadrispro: I pushed a rev. 1320 of our seeds, could you have a look? I think we can work on that aforementioned bug, then?
[09:21] <quadrispro> astraljava, would you provide me the URL?
[09:22] <astraljava> quadrispro: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.precise
[09:24] <quadrispro> astraljava, ok good
[09:26] <astraljava> quadrispro: You know how to work the seeds forward? Or should I ask from Colin or someone else?
[09:26] <astraljava> quadrispro: And did I ever congratulate for joining The Big C? :)
[09:27] <quadrispro> astraljava, it would be better if you ask'd Colin for that. The Big C? :-/ Did I miss something?
[09:27] <astraljava> Canonical. :)
[09:28] <quadrispro> astraljava, ?? where did you find that information?
[09:29] <astraljava> Hmm... ok, I've misunderstood something totally, then.
[09:29] <astraljava> Sorry about this.
[09:30] <astraljava> Ok, I'll go pester Colin, see if he has any time for this.
[09:30] <quadrispro> astraljava, no problem, it's curious to see people think I work at Canonical, 'cause your not the first one :D
[09:30] <ttoine> hi
[09:30] <quadrispro> but I actually don't :)
[09:31] <quadrispro> astraljava, sure, ask Colin, I'm working on leveldb right now and then I'll have to leave to take the train :)
[09:31] <astraljava> Right, yeah maybe it's just my recollection, but I seemed to think seeing your name in front of the C's domain.
[09:31] <ttoine> ScottL, the transparency of the icon is fixed with the updates of this morning. thnaks.
[09:31] <astraljava> Hi ttoine.
[09:36] <quadrispro> astraljava, although I must admit I would like to work at "The Big C" I actually don't, so if you have a good offer for me, don't hesitate and let me know! I'm available! :D
[09:37] <astraljava> quadrispro: It's the same with me, although you're much closer on landing such a position. So can't help you there, unless someone would ask me in which case I'd gladly recommend you. :)
[09:37] <ttoine> astraljava, think to recommand yourself too ;-)
[09:37] <quadrispro> astraljava, thanks! I would do the same for you :)
[09:39] <quadrispro> bye all!
[09:52] <ttoine> astraljava, how is running the current work on Ubuntu Studio ? Is there a lot of stuff to do ?
[09:53] <ttoine> May I help doing something else than trying and report bugs ?
[09:54] <astraljava> len_: To answer your question, it was removed quite long ago, rev. 1246 (see changes with `bzr diff -c 1246`), so maybe we should ask ScottL first before including it again?
[09:56] <astraljava> ScottL: Could you oversee our decision to add dssi-host-jack into the seeds? I noticed you've dropped it on rev. 1246, so if you have a good reason for it, then I'm not sure I should ask Colin to refresh our metas just yet.
[09:57] <astraljava> ScottL: Although I'm probably out when you come online, so I've pushed a new revision 1320 to LP, if you think it's okay to re-add it, just please ask Colin or someone else to refresh the seeds. I should be back by release meeting, though.
[09:58] <ttoine> astraljava, dssi is not very used since lv2
[09:58] <astraljava> ttoine: Ahh... you probably missed the conversation. See bug #980465, hexter won't run without a dssi host.
[10:01] <ttoine> astraljava, ok
[10:58] <ScottL> len_, astraljava ttoine : dssi was removed because of something to do with multi-arch builds IIRC, i don't quite remember the specifics currently as i woke up <10 mins ago
[10:59] <ScottL> i had a bit of conversations with colin about it, he probably would remember the specifics
[10:59] <ScottL> i'll dig in my notes and email when i get to work, however
[11:42] <scott-work> astraljava: i remember now, i believe it was that our 64bit images were not building because the build daemon wasn't picking up on dssi-vst due to it's multi-arch nature
[11:42] <scott-work> i believe colin said something about dssi-vst probably shouldn't be shipped anyway (due to licensing i would imagine) and could be downloaded through the installer
[11:42] <scott-work> and the short answer was to take it out of the seeds for the short term
[13:36] <len_> scott-work, so dssi-host-jack was included by the vst package and we lost it when that went. So then dssi-host-jack which doesn't require wine should be included on it's own. I did not find an alternative way of using hexter... can someone tell me how (with what US ships)
[13:36] <scott-work> len_: i'm not sure, to be honest
[13:37] <len_> Maybe check if it can be installed on an amd64 machine.
[13:37] <len_> It should be ok, as it was the wine stuff that was a problem.
[13:38] <len_> Alternately remove hexter :-(    or tell hexter to include recommends.
[13:40] <len_> Or remove Hexter from the menu.
[13:47] <ttoine> scott-work, if dssi-host-jack and dssi-utils are installed, hexter works
[13:48] <ttoine> it is possible to install the two packages without installing the dssi-vst package
[13:48] <scott-work> ttoine: good points
[13:48] <scott-work> i'm not sure what can be done before release, but obviously we should explore the available options
[13:49] <ttoine> is it too late to include dssi-host-jack and dssi-utils in Precise ?
[13:49] <ttoine> scott-work, ?
[13:54] <len_> scott-work, having a menu item that doesn't work is bad. I should probably put a bug against hexter as well. It should not include the desktop file unless dssi-host-jack is a depend instead of a recommend.
[13:55] <ttoine> len_, this could be solved by restoring the dssi-host-jack in the dependencies
[13:55] <ttoine> this will not install dssi-vst
[13:55] <ttoine> so it is ok
[13:56] <ttoine> len_, or maybe there is a problem with dssi-host-jack ??
[13:57] <len_> From the above conversation, it sounds like there is a willingness to add it now. It would go in the seeds.
[13:58] <scott-work> len_: ttoine: i believe we had dssi-vst in the seeds previously, we can try replacing it with dssi-host-jack
[13:58] <scott-work> i don't know if it will work as i don't know which dependencies are required
[13:58] <ttoine> what do you mean by seeds ?
[13:59] <len_> ttoine, there are a lot of packages that we ship that are not explicitly included. We have them because of depends but when we remove some other package they disappear. We really should go though our depends and decide what to add to seeds.
[14:00] <len_> scott-work, when I install dssi-host-jack on fresh 12.0b it brings nothing else with it.
[14:03] <scott-work> len_:  and that makes hexter work?
[14:03] <len_> yup.
[14:03] <len_> I would suggest someone with an amd64 try it too.
[14:05] <scott-work> len_: i can do that tonight when i am home
[14:06] <len_> scott-work, next cycle, I think we should try to go through depends and see what things we rely on that are brought in as depends. this seems to bite us too offten
[14:07] <len_> I off to work.
[14:10] <ttoine> len_, scott-work I confirm that hexter work with just dssi-host-jack
[14:10] <ttoine> wait 2minutes and I check on amd64
[14:16] <ttoine> scott-work, len_ I confirm, hexter works on amd64 when dssi-host-jack is installed
[14:20] <scott-work> len_: ttoine: this being said, the same reason dssi-vsst was not able to be included in the image (i.e. the build daemon not being able to find or include it in the 64 bit image due to multi-arch nature) might also preclude us from including dssi-host-jack as well
[14:20] <scott-work> it is built from the same source
[14:20] <ttoine> ok
[14:21] <ttoine> scott-work, this is a problem even if dssi-jack-host is available in the ubuntu repository ?
[14:21] <scott-work> ttoine: let me back up a bit and explain image building via ubuntu
[14:22] <scott-work> we don't need to list _every_ single package to be included, we create a list of just the packages we want
[14:22] <scott-work> these are called seeds
[14:22] <ttoine> ok
[14:22] <scott-work> we'll use ardour as an example
[14:23] <scott-work> so our seed would include ardour but not jack at this point
[14:23] <scott-work> but ardour depends on jack
[14:23] <scott-work> so the process knows as germinate or germination is where the build process reads all the necessary dependencies and creates a new list of everything that needs to be included
[14:24] <ttoine> ok
[14:24] <scott-work> i'm kinda unsure what exactly happens then, but i think it makes a chroot then starts making an FS from which is somehow creates the image, again i'm fairly ignorant about this
[14:25] <scott-work> in this current case, we have specified dssi-vst, the build process looks for it and i believe tries to isntall it in the chroot FS has trouble and fails
[14:25] <scott-work> this doesn't mean it isn't in the repos, you know that it is
[14:25] <ttoine> ok
[14:26] <scott-work> i believe it is the build process that is failing
[14:26] <scott-work> well, failing to find and isntall the application
[14:26] <scott-work> apparently there is some sort of cross-platfrom crawler or something that is supposed to look for 32bit packages if they are mult-arch, it is probably this part that is not as robust as needed
[14:28] <ttoine> and instead to put dssi-host-jack in the seeds, is it possible to change hexter package so it is a dependency ?
[14:29] <scott-work> it would be possible, but i don't know how viable it is at this point in the cycle
[14:31] <ttoine> it may then be impossible to include hexter if the builder fail to add its dependencies
[14:36] <ttoine> scott-work, mudita is still in the mediaplayer menu...
[14:45] <scott-work> yes, i know about the mediaplayer menu, those changes got overlooked
[14:45] <scott-work> so much going on
[15:25] <scott-work> this is cool looking, and we should have the installer/checkbox dialogue in the next cycle thanks to astraljava :  http://irc.jonathancarter.org/files/temp/installer-tickmarks.png
[15:25] <scott-work> we *won't* have unity of course
[15:25] <scott-work> :P
[16:41] <astraljava> scott-work: No, see backlog discussion with quadrispro, it won't be changed as a dependency as there are a plethora of other dssi hosts available.
[16:42] <astraljava> scott-work: What was removed was dssi-vst, but this is a different thing. We're talking dssi-host-jack here.
[16:43] <astraljava> That was removed by you in an earlier revision, and no arguments were given other than "restructured audio seeds", so I don't know why.
[16:43] <astraljava> +exactly.
[16:46] <scott-work> eh, "restructed audio seeds" probably deals with some other issues and i made several changes in the seeds
[16:47] <scott-work> this is what micah talks about :P
[16:48] <astraljava> Yeah. :) But that is the revision when dssi-host-jack was removed.
[16:48] <scott-work> removing dssi-vst per Bug#893351
[16:49] <scott-work> i'm looking in ubuntustudio.precise rev. 1278
[16:49] <scott-work> bug #893351
[16:50] <scott-work> i don't remember if i filed that or colin did
[16:51] <scott-work> wow, i did file it and put a lot of documentaiton there,  that is pleasently surprising   1278
[16:51] <scott-work> s/1278/ :)
[16:51] <astraljava> scott-work: Yes, but still, hexter wants the other package. It doesn't care about that.
[16:51] <scott-work> right, agreed
[16:52] <scott-work> my worry is that since these are all built from the same source, i wonder if the same problem will occur
[16:52] <astraljava> So, do you agree on the change I made on the seeds, and can you give it green light on one of the main channels release-wise?
[16:52] <astraljava> Err... hmm.
[16:52] <astraljava> But it's there in the archives.
[16:52] <scott-work> so is dssi-vst, no?
[16:53] <astraljava> Yeah.
[16:53] <scott-work> "ia32-libs is being transitioned to depend on appropriate multiarch libraries (avoiding the giant maintenance headache of ia32-libs is a major goal of the multiarch project for 12.04); but germinate can't traverse multiarch dependency chains, so it doesn't know that it needs to include ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 (which ia32-libs:amd64 depends on) and all the i386 libraries that ia32-libs-multiarch in turn depends on."
[16:53] <scott-work> colins says^^^
[16:54] <scott-work> btw, i'm not saying we don't try it, i'm just pointing out that it may not work
[16:54] <scott-work> how about this,
[16:54] <scott-work> we change the seeds today (already done and i agree with them btw)...
[16:54] <astraljava> There's a newer wine there, let me see if it still has problems with ia32-libs.
[16:54] <scott-work> see if the image builds tomorrow without updating the meta
[16:54] <scott-work> it will probably pull the new packag in anyways without the meta being updated apparently
[16:55] <scott-work> if we get an email form natsuku-cdimage saying it failed we have a good idea why :P
[16:55] <scott-work> if not, we are probably safe to rebuild everything
[16:56] <astraljava> Huh? Haven't they usually needed some sort of 'refresh' (forget if that was the actual term) until they appeared on the images?
[16:56]  * astraljava is totally exhausted and tired of this cycle and wants a fresh start
[16:59] <astraljava> Yes, this is excellent. build-deps for dssi remove about everything from our -audio related meta-packages.
[16:59] <astraljava> You know, it's a good thing I'm going to be separated from this machine for about two weeks.
[16:59] <scott-work> hehe, i understand about this cycle
[17:00] <scott-work> the last two weeks have been like that for me, i'm starting to come back though, but i'm still finding it hard to care about things we've already worked on i admit
[17:00] <scott-work> astraljava: but i'm good with the changes, feel free to poke someone in main channels release-wise
[17:01]  * scott-work is going to lunch
[17:04] <astraljava> scott-work: dssi source package builds fine on my machine, arch amd64. I don't know why apt-cache only shows them as i386, so I will not poke anyone, and if the seeds are refreshed automagically and our builds fail because of that, I'll remove it tomorrow.
[17:05] <astraljava> scott-work: Ahh... "...but germinate can't traverse multiarch dependency chains...", but apparently debuild can.
[17:05] <astraljava> Ok. Tough luck. Users need to install it manually, as before.
[17:07] <astraljava> Ahh... I see. Some build-dep package for dssi depends on jackd1, so that's why most of our other audio packages were removed.
[17:08] <astraljava> I'll revert the seeds back to normal, this still doesn't look safe.
[17:11] <astraljava> scott-work: I played it safe, and pushed rev. 1321 which reverts the inclusion of dssi-host-jack. We don't need additional head-ache this late into the cycle. Thanks for going through this with me.
[17:12] <astraljava> scott-work: Also, from this moment on, I'm going to be very sparsely online. This time use my gmail address for emails regarding any critical issues, that's what I keep track of the easiest. Will make an effort of checking the bugmail address as well.
[18:06] <scott-work> astraljava: akc'd
[18:07] <scott-work> that's disappointing about dssi though, it seems like we may have to remove hexter then :/
[18:07] <astraljava> scott-work: Nope, just instruct the users to install a dssi host.
[21:47] <len_> scott-work, astraljava, read all that stuff and understand. It seems to me the real solution is to move hexter to LV2. However, the author doesn't seem to be moving in that direction. Someone is porting it to vst though :/
[22:02] <len_> Hmm, dssi-host-jack, used to have two versions (i386 and amd64) in ubuntu 11.04, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/dssi-host-jack
[22:03] <len_> its in oneiric too.
[22:04] <len_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/dssi-host-jack
[22:04] <len_> this one says both archs should be available now.
[22:12] <len_> ScottL ^^^  I also notice that developers are still starting new projects with dssi rather than lv2 even when they have no experience with either and just look at what needs to be done to use either. The transition to lv2 for synth modules is really slow and maybe for some people in reverse.
[22:13] <len_> Something to look into next cycle for sure.
[22:32] <astraljava> len_: You're right, there's amd64 version of dssi-host-jack, I seem to have missed that and only recalled seeing i386 only for dssi-vst.
[22:32] <astraljava> I could ask from Colin, but again, it's so late into the cycle that I don't wanna make changes lightly anymore.
[22:43] <len_> astraljava, I'm not worried about getting any more into 12.04. Almost all of my thoughts are 12.10 or beyond. The record mode thing interests me... I think on any good audio machine it is not needed, but things like my netbook that are not made for sound could use it and may make a good portable platform for some uses with such a feature.
[23:08] <astraljava> The more I read about the hexter problem, the more I start to think including dssi-host-jack won't cause any problems. Let me ask around for this once more.
[23:09] <astraljava> len_: Yeah, I'm really tired of this cycle, too. There's a million things I wanna do better on the next one, and I just can't seem to find energy for fighting the windmills on this one any longer. :)
[23:24] <astraljava> ScottL: len_: See -devel backlog, dssi-host-jack goes back in. :) Need to test it tomorrow, though, or whenever it swims to the images the next time.
[23:41] <ScottL> astraljava, sweet!  i hope this works
[23:45] <astraljava> ScottL: len_: holstein: whoever has time and interest; there are a few needs-packaging bugs filed against Ubuntu in general, but I think we're the ones getting them in. I responded to the first one, but don't have time to go through the rest of them.
[23:45] <astraljava> Low-hanging karma points available. :)
[23:46]  * knome doesn't mind, got 4× astraljava's karma
[23:46] <knome> ;)
[23:47] <astraljava> But you're not included in the above list, apparently, so why is this relevant in the first place? *grin*
[23:48] <knome> you didn't point the karma comment to anybody in particular
[23:48] <knome> pay attention!
[23:48] <astraljava> Bah! /me storms out
[23:48] <knome> ;)


[04:27] <stub> marcoceppi: juju-log issues are covered by https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1274460
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1274460: juju-log vs. command line length limits <juju-log> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274460>
[04:27] <stub> (and there are similar bugs for the other tools, which share the problems, apart from relation-get which has been fixed already)
[10:24] <apuimedo> Good morning
[10:24] <apuimedo> Does somebody here use the juju digital ocean plugin?
[10:25] <apuimedo> https://github.com/kapilt/juju-digitalocean
[10:25] <apuimedo> I saw some comment from lazyPower on one of the issues
[10:25] <apuimedo> for some reason `juju ssh` does not work in my digital ocean environment
[10:26] <axino> apuimedo: what does it do ?
[10:36] <apuimedo> axino: from poking around
[10:37] <apuimedo> I saw that it sshs to the bootstrap machine
[10:37] <apuimedo> and from there does `nc`
[10:37] <apuimedo> the first part worked, I can ssh to the bootstrap env
[10:37] <apuimedo> but the nc part would just leave me waiting forever
[10:39] <axino> apuimedo: can you reach the second instance from the bootstrap node ?
[10:40] <apuimedo> axino: I can ssh to it
[10:40] <apuimedo> but I don't know its pass
[10:40] <apuimedo> axino: are you using it frequently?
[10:41] <axino> apuimedo: I'm not :)
[10:43] <apuimedo> axino: what do you use, an OSt env?
[10:44] <axino> apuimedo: yes, OS and a bit of AWS
[10:44] <axino> apuimedo: can you run "juju --debug ssh $whatever_you're_sshing_to ?
[10:45] <apuimedo> axino: how well does the AWS one work for deploying OSt?
[10:46] <axino> apuimedo: I'm sorry, I don't get your question
[10:48] <apuimedo> axino: I mean, does the AWS environment work well for deploying OpenStack charms?
[10:50] <axino> apuimedo: I never deployed OpenStack charms to AWS
[10:50] <apuimedo> ah, ok
[10:51] <apuimedo> jamespage: have you?
[10:58] <apuimedo> gnuoy: I guess you use the internal OSt to launch openstack charms, right?
[10:59] <gnuoy> apuimedo, ost?
[11:00] <apuimedo> OpenStack
[11:01] <gnuoy> apuimedo, we use ost on ost and then ost on baremetal
[11:01] <apuimedo> cool
[14:27] <sebas5384> jcastro: Ubucon LatAm almost starting!
[14:28] <jcastro> glad to see you made it!
[14:28] <jcastro> people were, uhhh, worried you didn't make the flight, heh
[14:28] <sebas5384> yeah!! i were looking after the ride but I didn
[14:29] <sebas5384> didn't find any sign with my name
[14:29] <sebas5384> don't know what happen :P
[14:29] <sebas5384> but hey! I'm here in one pice
[14:29] <sebas5384> jose: is making an awesome work :)
[14:50] <urulama> jamespage: hey. frankban just released new deployer and also new juju-gui, which now allows you to deploy v4 bundles (so the new format you've been working with Makyo). Bundle deploy almost works, fails due to hook/config problem, no longer machine placement.
[14:51] <urulama> jamespage: and v3 -> v4 translation has landed, but that requires new charmstore release, which should happen next week
[14:52] <frankban> urulama, jamespage: also quickstart fixes to deploy v4 bundles with placement will land next week, for now the deployer should work, v0.5.1 released on Pypi and the juju stable PPA
[16:28] <apuimedo> marcoceppi: ping
[16:45] <sebas5384> someone is having problems with python dependencies? http://pastebin.com/qX0c98F0
[16:46] <sebas5384> I have almost the same problem with every charm deploy
[16:46] <sebas5384> help?
[16:55] <sebas5384> http://pastebin.com/qX0c98F0 help ?
[16:55] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: looking
[16:55] <sebas5384> marcoceppi: thanks o/
[16:56] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: can you ssh into the machine and run this:
[16:56] <marcoceppi> sudo apt-get -y install python-apt python-launchpadlib python-tempita python-yaml
[16:56] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: apt-get is having a problem installing one of those packages
[16:57] <sebas5384> yes
[16:57] <sebas5384> let me see
[16:57] <sebas5384> hmmm yeah couldn't even download the mysql for the mysql charm
[16:59] <sebas5384> http://pastebin.com/DaztURCf
[17:00] <sebas5384> marcoceppi: ^
[17:00] <sebas5384> it seems there's definitvely an apt problem
[17:00] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: well, there ya go. Looks like you've got a proxy or networking issue
[17:00] <marcoceppi> is this on local provider or a cloud?
[17:00] <sebas5384>  403  Forbidden
[17:00] <sebas5384> local
[17:00] <marcoceppi> somethign is up with the networkign wherever you are
[17:01] <marcoceppi> the archive is reachable here
[17:01] <sebas5384> maybe is something related to firewalls
[17:01] <sebas5384> yep definitively is that
[17:01] <sebas5384> marcoceppi: I'm going to do a demo tomorrow in the ubuconLA
[17:01] <sebas5384> and I wanted to show the local provider
[17:02] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: is this at the conference's wifi? or the hotel?
[17:02] <marcoceppi> or somewhere else?
[17:02] <sebas5384> conference wifi
[17:02] <marcoceppi> eek
[17:02] <sebas5384> i think i must deploy locally in the hotel
[17:02] <marcoceppi> jose: if you're around (you're probably mad busy) can you help sort this?
[17:03] <sebas5384> marcoceppi: jose is at the stage in this very moment
[17:03] <sebas5384> hehe
[17:03] <sebas5384> i'll talk with him
[17:03] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: haha, well he should be able to help hopefully
[17:03] <sebas5384> definitively!
[17:03] <sebas5384> thanks for your help marcoceppi :)
[17:03] <sebas5384> marcoceppi++
[17:04] <sebas5384> we should have some karma bots here :P
[20:12] <beisner> ping wolsen
[20:12] <wolsen> pong beisner
[20:12] <beisner> wolsen, hey so in kilo and later, rmq doesn't allow guest amqp connections unless coming from localhost
[20:13] <beisner> wolsen, so i've got tests that do all sorts of cool validation ... for combos up to kilo.
[20:13] <wolsen> beisner, mmm was it just kilo? I thought that was a change in rmq version 3.something iirc
[20:13] <wolsen> beisner, ahh right
[20:13] <beisner> wolsen, then i have a work-around in the tests to just force-enable guest from anywhere at kilo and later.
[20:13] <beisner> wolsen, but...
[20:13] <beisner> wolsen, that clobbers ssl configs, since it's all in the same funky lil erlang stanza
[20:14] <beisner> wolsen, ref:  https://www.rabbitmq.com/access-control.html
[20:14] <beisner> wolsen, tldr:  the rmq charm needs to grow a config option to set loopback_users to [], while preserving all of the mangling happening for ssl configs in that file.
[20:15] <beisner> wolsen, in order for me to include ssl tests that is.
[20:15] <wolsen> beisner, what about granting access for a specific user? oh those are made over the relations right?
[20:15] <beisner> wolsen, it looks to me like that file is only currently touched by the charm when ssl is on.
[20:15] <wolsen> beisner, oh
[20:15] <beisner> wolsen, yep, rock:hardplace
[20:16] <wolsen> beisner, yep... and enabling the option risks security :/
[20:16] <beisner> wolsen, right, but the charm is untestable (across our whole support matrix) without either adding that option
[20:16] <beisner> or
[20:17] <beisner> doing more serious mangling of configs in the test, outside of charm config options
[20:17] <beisner> which i try not to have to do
[20:17] <wolsen> beisner, that's fair
[20:18] <beisner> wolsen, the new test is this:
[20:18] <wolsen> beisner, fwiw, I'm not opposed to adding the option, just need to have the appropriate amount of "do not use this in the real world"
[20:18] <beisner> deploy precise-icehouse through vivid-kilo
[20:18] <beisner> 3 rmq units
[20:18] <beisner> send amqp msg to each unit, 1 at a time, and check that the message can be read from all other units
[20:19] <beisner> check that all units are represented IN all units cluster_status
[20:19] <beisner> so it's more of a core cluster/messaging functional check that works on the whole horizon of combos (sans ssl).
[20:20] <beisner> i have a whole load of helpers coming out of this too, which will make it easy to add the other scenarios
[20:21] <beisner> wolsen, i wonder if we can borrow creds from something else that does have perms to talk over the wire?
[20:21] <beisner> and use that in pika instead of guest
[20:22] <wolsen> beisner, should would be nice to be able to set a mock relationship here - so you could create it that way!
[20:23] <wolsen> beisner, we probably could borrow them if you really wanted to - seems like quite a kluge though
[20:23] <wolsen> beisner, I think its probably better to enable the guest account for what is being tested
[20:24] <beisner> wolsen, i was just running with the guest@guest pika thing the other tests were using.   i'll look at adding a separate user explicitly who can talk.  but if that involves that funky stanza thing, we'll still be clobbering ssl charm activities.
[20:24] <beisner> wolsen, the charm isn't plumbed for that file currently, except for in the ssl enablement pieces, so it doesn't look like that will be non-trivial.
[20:25] <beisner> s/non-trivial/trivial/   bah the double negatives
[20:25] <beisner> ie. the ssl charm config options are a bit antisocial wrt the file we need to touch
[20:43] <sebas5384> marcoceppi: the mediawiki scalable bundle is giving errors in the haproxy and mediawiki install hooks http://pastebin.com/8gXkdhKz
[20:43] <sebas5384> deploying in GCE
[20:43] <sebas5384> I'm gonna test it in aws later
[20:45] <marcoceppi> sebas5384: It looks like that ppa doesn't exist anymore
[20:45] <sebas5384> hmmm
[20:46] <sebas5384> so the charm is not updated?
[20:46] <sebas5384> maybe because is precise/
[21:13] <beisner> wolsen, got it sorted.  the test is just adding a testuser with necessary privs, should work independently of that file and the ssl erlangy stuff.
[21:13] <wolsen> beisner, sweet - that's even better
[21:20] <hazmat> tvansteenburgh: was there any clarity on how frankban's branch fixed the memory issue?
[21:30]  * beisner => eow
[21:43] <mwenning> hi juju team, how do I set proxy's on bootstrap nodes?  I tried 'http_proxy:  blah' in environments.yaml and it said "unknown config"
[22:12] <marcoceppi> mwenning: what version of juju?
[22:12] <marcoceppi> hazmat: tvansteenburgh is out for the next week
[22:13] <mwenning> marcoceppi, 1.24.3-trusty-amd64
[22:13] <marcoceppi> mwenning: try http-proxy
[22:13] <marcoceppi> and https-proxy
[22:13] <marcoceppi> mwenning: you can also set it on an exiting environment with juju set-env
[22:18] <mwenning> marcoceppi, thx .   in 30 minutes I'll know if that fixed it ;-)
[22:21] <mwenning> marcoceppi, is there a way to tell juju to just abort everything and quit?
[22:23] <marcoceppi> mwenning: ctrl + c?
[22:23] <mwenning> marcoceppi, nope, juju says something like 'waiting for bootstrap to finish' and keep right on going until all the timeouts finish.
[22:24] <marcoceppi> mwenning: you could maybe do juju destroy-environment --force
[22:24] <mwenning> marcoceppi, nope, juju ignores that if it's in the middle of a bootstrap
[22:25] <marcoceppi> \o.
[22:34] <mwenning> \o/ , Bootstrapping Juju machine agent
[22:41] <marcoceppi> mwenning: huzzah!