[04:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  volunteers, who I don't know, and am polite to consistently feed me crap that doesn't help because they assume I can't figure out what my problem is; for example I did say that when I said "no" to the license agreement (which was obviously displayed if I said no), then future attempts to install a package would automatically fail, and purging doesn't fix the problem
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  two of the following answers were, "Your question level is probably set too low," and "apt-get --purge"
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> the first of course would be fine if it didn't actually ask me the first time; the second, I said i tried that already
[04:09] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, you're being rude right now
[04:09] <bob2> also, just be quiet
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:09] <bob2> every channel you come into you disrupt with your rants and "questions" and "great ideas"
[04:09] <timo_> if k(ubuntu) hasn't provided a package, is it ok to use debian apt-sources to install software (thinking about migrating from debian to (k)ubuntu)?
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 you must really track this guy's irc usage. :)
[04:09] <synd> bluefoxicy: whats the problem?
[04:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: now, go use your enormouse shell knowledge to go read the postinst questions for that package
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: not really
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: what package are yo uthinking of?
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: (the universe repository has basically everything debian does)
[04:10] <timo_> bob2: it was just a general quiestion
[04:10] <timo_> aha
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> synd:  I need java, so I tried to install from the Blackdown sources, and accidentally clicked past the license and said "no" to the j2re1.4; so the j2sdk1.4 installed because I clicked yes there.
[04:10] <timo_> bob2: and what about specific .deb packages found in developers sites?
[04:10] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so go read the postinst and see where it's stored and fix it
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: well, that's a bad idea in general
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: but it depends on what sort of wystem they were compiled on
[04:11] <timo_> bob2: so compile by hand is a better idea?
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: sarge .debs may not run on hoary
[04:11] <timo_> oh
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> synd:  Reinstalling j2re1.4 fails to preconfigure because it's assuming I'm not going to accept the license; I tried apt-get remove --purge to fix this and it didn't fix it.  I tried saying "no" to sdk after attempting a reinstall of it, then reinstalling, and it now behaves the same, thus I'm pretty certain apt is actually assuming I"m going to say no and just not asking now
[04:11] <psychonate> timo_, if you add all of Ubuntu's repositories, you can find quite a few packages anyway
[04:11] <bob2> bluefoxicy: dude, stop being silly and go read the postinst
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: if you don't know what that means, say so, and I'll explain it to you
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> bob2: postinst.  Hmm.  /me starts catting at /dev/postinst. . /proc/postinst. . . uh.
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> yeah that'd help.
[04:12] <timo_> so i can ask in here if i need some package at first and of course search myself..if i can't find any solution i guess i have to compile by hand
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I thought you were familiar with debian systems.../var/lib/dpkg/info/jdk.postinst (or whatever the package is called)
[04:12] <xero> when i rightclick on the desktop icon and choose Eject from the menu, this error comes up:  Eject Error   Unable to eject media
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: if you don't understand someone's answer, then SAY SO, instead of ignoring them and ranting
[04:13] <bob2> xero: run this command in a terminal: "lsof | grep media"
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  there's no *jdk* or *jre* there
[04:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: "or whatever the package is called"
[04:13] <bluefoxicy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/j2re1.4_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[04:13] <Selanit> timo_: your first stop should be synaptic.  Make sure you have all the repositories selected, so that you'll have as wide a selection of officially packaged software to choose from as possible.  If it's still not there, and there are no unofficial .debs, you may have to compile by hand.
[04:13] <psychonate> timo_, it would first be best to add ubuntu's other repositories, then search; if you can't find the package that way, you can ask in here.
[04:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, there, you go
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/programming/libssp-1.3.1-autopackage$ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*j2re*
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*j2re*: No such file or directory
[04:14] <Imical> sorry newb question but would this be linux RPM or linux deb?
[04:14] <goldfish> deb
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  the preinstallation script is failing.
[04:14] <anto9us> timo_: I've been using ubuntu for a fair few weeks now and have not had to compile anything yet, the ubuntu repositories are a cornucopia
[04:14] <bob2> Imical: ubuntu uses .debs then
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> it's not making it quite that far.
[04:14] <bob2> bluefoxicy: then fix it
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's failing because I'm "refusing" the license agreement.
[04:14] <psychonate> timo_, honestly though, I have used a few debian-specific packages in Ubuntu. I would not add a whole repository of these to my sources.list, but I might install a few manually if I really need them
[04:14] <Imical> goldfish:  thank ya
[04:14] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes, I know...fix it.
[04:14] <xero> later guys, ill be back
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I refused the first time by accident.  It's no longer asking me, it's just refusing it automatically.
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: dude
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I've read all 50000 lines you've said on this topic
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> If I could fix it would I be here asking you why I can't fix it?
[04:15] <bob2> riiiiight
[04:15] <synd> bob2: he seems to not comprehend what you say?
[04:15] <g-odzilla> is ubuntu the best distro
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, you purged j2re?
[04:15] <synd> g-odzilla: what do yo think?
[04:15] <g-odzilla> i never used it
[04:15] <Selanit> anto9us: Is your name an altered version of Antinoos, from Greek epic?
[04:15] <psychonate> g-odzilla, is christianity the best religion?
[04:16] <psychonate> who the hell knows
[04:16] <timo_> guys, thanks for the responses! package management is prio 1 in my ws system, and that'd be no problem for me and if i HAVE to compile its no problem at all (comming from slackware and bsd).. prio 2 is to get vmware to work as easy as in debian/sarge (default install) since i use it at work.. when that is cleared im ready to install (k)ubuntu
[04:16] <goldfish> religion?
[04:16] <crimsun> g-odzilla: that's a highly subjective question that only you are fit to answer from your own experience.
[04:16] <psychonate> try it
[04:16] <g-odzilla> psychonate: yes, it is
[04:16] <g-odzilla> JESUS #1
[04:16] <Nic> g-odzilla:  Yes.  It is perfect and without flaw in every respect.  Trust the computer.  The computer is your friend.
[04:16] <psychonate> oh lol
[04:16] <bob2> oh lord
[04:16] <g-odzilla> brickabracka, firecracka, sis boom bah! JESUS, JESUS, RAH RAH RAH!
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I told apt to do it and it says it's not installed; dpkg --purge says it's also not installed, I think.
[04:16] <psychonate> btw, I meant try Ubuntu, not religion ;)
[04:16] <Davey> can I use the Debian unstable debian source in Ubuntu?
[04:16] <bob2> the fact g-odzilla comes from tor is slightly suspicious
[04:16] <anto9us> Selanit: Antoninus
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> (or do I have to give dpkg the version too)
[04:16] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, it's not very surprising those files aren't there then
[04:16] <Selanit> Ahh
[04:16] <darmou> Davey it is better not to
[04:16] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ls /var/lib/dpkg/*jdk* or whatever it is
[04:17] <synd> anyone watching the spurs and the pistons?
[04:17] <Selanit> Antoninus Pius, the Roman emperor, or some other Antoninus?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> "sudo dpkg --purge j2sdk1.4 j2re1.4" is ok?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> ls: /var/lib/dpkg/*j2sdk*: No such file or directory
[04:17] <Imical> another newbie question, first time linux user. How install these tar.gz files?
[04:17] <psychonate> g-odzilla, check out www.distrowatch.com and check out the right hand side ;)
[04:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: jesus
[04:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, install them
[04:17] <timo_> so anyone tried ubuntu with vmware 5/win2k?
[04:17] <goldfish> Imical: better off installing from the ubuntu repositories
[04:17] <othernoob> does anyone know, why k3b (as well as nero in xp) give me the message "unsupported format" for one particular mp3, while the other 12, which were ripped the same, work just fine, when adding to an audio-cd project ?
[04:17] <psychonate> g-odzilla, that does it mean it's the best, but it is pretty popular now
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Preconfiguring packages ...
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> j2re1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> j2sdk1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10
[04:17] <psychonate> er
[04:17] <synd> psychonate: taht just shows that ubuntu is the most popular
[04:17] <psychonate> doesn't*
[04:18] <psychonate> synd, look above
[04:18] <bob2> bluefoxicy: now go edit the preinst
[04:18] <bob2> or configure
[04:18] <bob2> er, config
[04:18] <synd> psychonate: ah, you took the words out of my mouth.
[04:18] <psychonate> hehe :)
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> bob2: ???    Usually, Ubuntu packages come in .deb files.  .tar.gz can contain anything -- binaries, source code, random data.
[04:18] <psychonate> haha
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> bob2: nothing called j2anything there
[04:19] <bob2> g-odzilla: perhaps #random would be better suited to you
[04:19] <psychonate> psychonate: 2      synd: 0
[04:19] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I fired find at the path with -name \*j2\* and it found zilch too, so there's definitely nothing there.
[04:19] <g-odzilla> if you are walking through a trailer park drinking a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon, fear not, for you are already in Texarkana
[04:19] <synd> indeed
[04:19] <IIIEars> timo - I have heard it works pretty well. - found an interesting link yesterday check it out. http://www.nomachine.com/
[04:20] <ajmitch> afternoon
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> I seem to have hit an arazona highway speedbump.
[04:20] <goldfish> lol
[04:20] <timo_> thanks IIIEars
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> (in arazona it got so hot that the blacktop expanded and created a bump in the road that was 6 feet high)
[04:20] <bob2> bluefoxicy: what does "dpkg -l 'j2*'" print out? (do not paste the headers)
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> in  j2re1.4          <IP_ADDRESS>-1       (no description available)
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> in  j2sdk1.4         <IP_ADDRESS>-1       (no description available)
[04:21] <upgrdman> bluefoxicy, feet or inches
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  solid wall.
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  So feet :)
[04:22] <gizban> does anyone know of a program that lets me access linux files from windows?
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  what happened was the road gets bumps in it from expansion; but by some freaky twist of force patterns, all of the force was concentrated on one single point, which gave; so the entire expansion along about 10 miles of road occurred at one place.
[04:22] <Davey> What sthe deal with Breezy now? still b0rked as the topic says?
[04:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[04:22] <ubotu> Wish i knew, IIIEars
[04:22] <^thehatsrule^> gizban, it depends on the filesystem
[04:22] <anto9us> gizban: ext2fs
[04:22] <bob2> Davey: yes
[04:22] <gizban> thanks
[04:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide
[04:22] <ubotu> Wish i knew, IIIEars
[04:22] <IIIEars> !display
[04:22] <Davey> bob2: can I install *just* postgresql8 in hoary from breezy? :D
[04:22] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  and that's about what I'm looking at here; just can't seem to go over it.
[04:23] <bob2> Davey: not without getting a lot of oter stuff
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/programming/libssp-1.3.1-autopackage$ sudo dpkg --remove j2re1.4
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove j2re1.4 which isn't installed.
[04:23] <Davey> *sigh* :/
[04:23] <bob2> Davey: I'd just compile it from source, personally
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> what the heck does 'in' mean
[04:23] <Davey> bob2: I did. Having issues :/
[04:23] <bob2> bluefoxicy: read the headers
[04:23] <ReleaseX> hello all
[04:23] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I have no idea how you screwed your system up so badly
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  by saying 'no' to a license agreement i wanted to say 'yes' to :P
[04:23] <Selanit> gizban: If you're using ext2 or ext3, you can try Explore2fs: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  that's as simple as it is, if you wanna try.
[04:24] <IIIEars> !status - ubotu if you core dumped your database again i am going to wring your silicon neck.
[04:24] <ubotu> IIIEars: You are moron #2
[04:24] <bob2> no thanks
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> ok well plan B
[04:24] <IIIEars> !status
[04:24] <Selanit> It's a reasonably nice GUI for accessing Linux ext* filesystems from Windows.
[04:24] <abarbaccia> hey guys - if i edited some source code for a program, how do i build it if thers no makefile
[04:24] <truz24> anyone running xorg @ 1900x1200 in ubuntu ?
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> (I'll just set it to uninstalled manually)
[04:24] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, that won't help at all
[04:24] <IIIEars> " " factoids - going to wring it's silicon chip neck
[04:24] <bob2> abarbaccia: you need to find the instructions or ask the author
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what, it's still a giant flat file right?  Or did someone learn to use sqlite behind my back?
[04:25] <Nic> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ is a native filesystem driver for WinNT
[04:25] <bob2> haha sqlite for dpkg
[04:25] <Selanit> Hmm.  That sounds handy.
[04:25] <Selanit> Of course, it only helps for NT-based systems.
[04:25] <Nic> Selanit:  Well, that was the request.
[04:25] <Selanit> Was it?  /me looks
[04:26] <goldfish> itt was
[04:26] <kevcool> truz24: Nice resolution.    He might be a 9X user.
[04:26] <Nic> Selanit:  for win9x, there's http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/content.html#FSDEXT2
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> it's both installed and not installed
[04:26] <gizban> Selanit: thanks, explore2fs works great
[04:26] <bob2> abarbaccia: there you go
[04:26] <abarbaccia> bob2, i dont have qmake nor is it found in my repos
[04:26] <Selanit> gizban: what flavor of Windows are you using?
[04:26] <gizban> windows XP
[04:27] <Selanit> Ahh
[04:27] <truz24> thanks kevcool, odd thing is, it looks perfect in windows, but in ubuntu it looks good in some places but if i move my eyes to the left or right, it gets a tad blurry.... its very odd. i hope this is fixed in breezy.
[04:27] <bob2> abarbaccia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=qmake&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386
[04:27] <Selanit> Look into htpp://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ too, as Nic has just pointed out.  It'll probably be more convenient for you.
[04:27] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got it - qt3-dev-tools - sorry for being lazy
[04:28] <bob2> abarbaccia: (don't forget build-essential, too ;)
[04:28] <truz24> imagine the screen was divided into several 50 wide pixel columns.... well, every other column is slightly blurred
[04:28] <Nic> htpp?  :P
[04:28] <kevcool> truz24: hrmmm. perhaps.  Just curious - sounds like you have a nice monitor on which to run that kind of resolution
[04:28] <truz24> yeah, dell 24"
[04:28] <truz24> widescreen
[04:28] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  yeah didn't help.
[04:29] <kevcool> yep mine is the smaller dell 20.1 wide
[04:29] <truz24> I've learned to get over the slight blur
[04:29] <truz24> cool, i guess you don't have that problem
[04:29] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got those already!! thanks tho
[04:29] <kevcool> not at all no
[04:30] <truz24> I am guessing its a driver problem with my radeon ati
[04:30] <truz24> you have nvidia ?
[04:30] <kevcool> Older radeon VE
[04:30] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[04:30] <ubotu> No idea, IIIEars
[04:30] <IIIEars> !radeon
[04:30] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:30] <truz24> lol
[04:31] <IIIEars> Aspirin STAT!
[04:31] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it was card driver issue
[04:32] <Xyc0> Is there and iTunes for linux?
[04:32] <bob2> Xyc0: no
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> I'm officially pissed off now.
[04:32] <bob2> Xyc0: there's rhythmbox, which is kinda similar
[04:32] <anto9us> truz24: someone described a similar problem here a few days ago, they fixed it by changing the default colour depth from 24 to 16 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <bob2> bluefoxicy: that's nice, but kinda off-topic
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  same topic.
[04:32] <kevcool> truz24: you using DVI interface or vga?
[04:32] <truz24> dvi
[04:33] <Xyc0> I am trying to get music on my iPod via Linux, any recommendations?
[04:33] <pfp> Xyc0: streamtuner + xmms, if you like internet radios
[04:33] <truz24> anto9us, they were happy with 16 bit depth?
[04:33] <kevcool> surprisingly vga is super crisp for me
[04:33] <kevcool> on this mon
[04:33] <truz24> dvi made a nice difference
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> ok fine, I'm submitting a bug without a ready solution
[04:33] <truz24> i was running vga at first
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> you guys can figure it out.
[04:33] <kevcool> same situation with vga?
[04:33] <truz24> don't know
[04:33] <IIIEars> Yes and no. most use an emulation layer. - there is a "grey" client that strips DRM from downloads - not likely to make itunes happy. - use it once and you will need a new acct.
[04:33] <anto9us> truz24: I imagine only a graphic artist or someone like that would be unhappy with 16 bit depth
[04:34] <Selanit> It is proving irritatingly difficult to come up with a list of just top-level programs on the livecd.
[04:34] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er...blackdown is not in ubuntu
[04:34] <bob2> Xyc0: gtkpod can do that
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's the behavior of apt.
[04:34] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, no, sorry
[04:34] <Xyc0> thanks bob2
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  is blackdown sticking settings around my hard disk somewhere aside from where dpkg knows about, before it's even installed?
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: you seem to be confusing apt and dpkg
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: also, I'm not sure why you think either are at fault
[04:35] <bob2> they are completely different things
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Well, because when I say "no" to a question in preinst which is asked of me through debconf, the setting "no" seems to be magically remembered although the package fails in preinst and doesn't get installed
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: no, it was not asked by debconf
[04:35] <kan1> anyone got any idea why kppp dont work right
[04:36] <bob2> kan1: #kubuntu might have more kppp users
[04:36] <IIIEars> setup your own itunes server?!? http://www.whatsinyourbox.org/article28.html
[04:36] <Nic> bluefoxicy:  if you have strace installed, you can try running your install through that and tease out the file locations
[04:36] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what asks the questions then?  pops up a gnome or ncurses dialog,
[04:36] <bluefoxicy> Nic:  yeah, I could.  *wince*
[04:36] <zeeble> bleep
[04:37] <Nic> bluefoxicy:  it certainly beats whinging about it not working.
[04:37] <fossa> hi
[04:38] <nickrud> that was the worst gnome lock I've ever head
[04:38] <anto9us> zeeble: now, now, mind your bleeping language in here please ;)
[04:38] <IIIEars> itunes = CrossoverOffice
[04:38] <nickrud> *had
[04:38] <fossa> i have two soundcards, one doesn'twork. everytime i start  up kde or xfce i have to restart the OSS sound server. how do i make the functioning soundcard the default?
[04:38] <zeeble> anto9us: sure sure :)
[04:38] <inc595> anybody ever have network servers link not connect to windows boxs?
[04:38] <Selanit> fossa: can you remove the malfunctioning sound card?
[04:38] <Selanit> Physically, that is
[04:38] <fossa> no. it's onboard.
[04:39] <Selanit> Try disabling it in BIOS
[04:39] <fossa> ok next time i reboot
[04:39] <zeeble> Disable it in the bios, and remove the modules associated with it.
[04:39] <kan1> bob2 noones home
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> what's pkgcache.bin
[04:40] <Selanit> >.<
[04:40] <inc595> i can see mshome but can't get the others machine to show up
[04:40] <fossa> i wish i could type in a dir in 'sound system' under 'override device location' or sometin
[04:40] <Jormundgand> inc595: Check the name of the Windows network and make sure you're connecting.
[04:40] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, don't touch that
[04:40] <Selanit> Question: does openoffice.org-bin serve as a dependency to any other program?
[04:41] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  ok
[04:41] <nickrud> fossa if bios doesn't work, you can blacklist modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:42] <inc595> Jormundgand, i used to work without configuration but for some reason it doesn't.. I can connevt with remote desktop fine
[04:42] <zeeble> What is a good GUI cd ripper? other than grip
[04:42] <Selanit> I like k3b, personally
[04:43] <Selanit> But it's a KDE program, so you need the QT libs if you're a gnome perosn.
[04:43] <Selanit> *person
[04:43] <ablyss> k3b = only one i know how to use
[04:43] <pfp> zeeble: asunder is nice & simple
[04:43] <zeeble> hm, ok
[04:43] <Jormundgand> inc595: type this at the console and tell me what it says: `grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf`.
[04:43] <kan1> ablyss:  howdy dude
[04:44] <Jormundgand> inc595: and then tell me what the Windows network reports its name as.
[04:44] <kan1> ablyss:  how are things in the south
[04:44] <zeeble> pfp: what's the apt source for asunder?
[04:44] <ablyss> believe it or not about 3 or so years ago I was ripping via command line with blade inc... i guess the saying is true with age you forgot stuff
[04:44] <ablyss> forget, er
[04:44] <Nic> They say memory is the second thing to go with age.  I forget what the first thing is...
[04:44] <inc595> says mshome
[04:45] <pfp> zeeble: oh... there may not be one, sorry. i had to compile it
[04:45] <ablyss> kan1, wonderful... just humid as hades,.. how about your way?
[04:45] <zeeble> pfp: ah, ok.
[04:45] <Jormundgand> inc595: And the network name according to the Windows systems?
[04:45] <Selanit> >.<
[04:45] <zeeble> Let's build a deb then :)
[04:45] <inc595> Jormundgand, i double checked by rdp and it says mshome
[04:45] <kan1> ablyss:  about 97 in the shade
[04:45] <zeeble> 31C here.
[04:45] <Selanit> Either deborphan is screwed up, or I'm feeding it the wrong command-line options.
[04:46] <Jormundgand> inc595: And have you done `sudo testparm` and `sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart`?
[04:46] <inc595> Jormundgand, when samba works... it's great .. when it breaks.. it's really broke lol
[04:46] <ablyss> kan1, nice
[04:46] <inc595> let me try those
[04:47] <kan1> ablyss:  its very humid here also
[04:47] <fossa> i have to wait until 9 pm for the sun to go down before i can jog.
[04:48] <zeeble> The coolest time of the day yesterday was at 4am.  Sorry.
[04:50] <jason^> i've been having some weird problems where sounds gets repeated or not playing fully, expecially with gaim, is there anything i can do to test?
[04:50] <inc595> well thanks put me in right direction.. going to try to make those dir and see what happens
[04:54] <Selanit> None of you have used deborphan by any chance, have you . . . ?   It
[04:55] <Selanit> Sorry, pressed enter too early.
[04:55] <Selanit> It's just supposed to discover packages that don't serve as dependencies to other packages . . . right?
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  can you read a preinst script for a deb package
[04:55] <fossa> can i change the default font size in my terminals?
[04:55] <nickrud> Selanit yes, but
[04:56] <pfp> Selanit: yep. by default only in libraries iirc
[04:56] <nickrud> Selanit you may find debfoster more useful
[04:56] <fossa> nm.
[04:57] <Selanit> I've been using the command "deborphan -az" to come up with a list of all the top-level programs in the system.  "a" for all packages (not just libs) and "z" to show sizes.  But it misses obvious packages like openoffice.org-bin.  Which is weird.
[04:57] <Selanit> And I'll look into debfoster
[04:57] <nickrud> Selanit I mention it cuz I used it a long time ago, but watch yourself
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> ok it's definitely debconf
[04:59] <ws005> hi.....
[04:59] <fossa> hi
[04:59] <goldfish> hello
[05:00] <ws005> hai........
[05:00] <nickrud> bluefoxicy /var/lib/dpkg/info has the prinstall scripts
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> nickrud:  I'm looking at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> I halted the j2re1.4 install and checked it
[05:00] <nickrud> hah, I've never done that :)
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> it seems to me that it checks to see if there's already a "false" value set for if the user's seen the license
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> and if so, aborts and fails.
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> which is exactly what I said over an hour ago
[05:01] <Selanit> Hmm.  I'm not sure debfoster will do what I want.  All I want is a list of packages on the livecd that are supposed to be used by the user, not just by other programs.
[05:02] <Selanit> Preferably with their disk space requirements.
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> nickrud: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NpAbS048.html
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> nickrud:  there should be some way to remove that damn setting from whatever the hell database it put it in though >/
[05:03] <Selanit> This shouldn't be this hard.
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> it's not like dpkg doesn't know what package it's trying to install
[05:03] <pfp> Selanit: hmm, some OOo packages depend on openoffice.org-bin
[05:03] <nickrud> swoosh :)
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> granted
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> whoever wrote this preinst script is dumber than a box of hair.
[05:04] <pfp> Selanit: and ubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice.org, so that's why none of OOo is listed
[05:05] <mpm> I tried uncommenting marillat to install w32codecs, and am getting error, "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open ....' any thoughts???
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> the system shouldn't be this fragile though.  I should be able to isolate any changes made by any package and undo it.
[05:05] <Selanit> pfp: I already did "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" to take care of that.  In fact, I've removed all of the metapackages.  (But not their dependencies, of course.)
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> you can in gentoo (which sandboxes things even to prevent them from touching ANYTHING outside the sandbox area so you KNOW it can't screw up your system while portage is working right)
[05:05] <Selanit> Logically, the meta-package dependencies should now be registered as independent programs.
[05:07] <nickrud> Selanit apt-get does not, but aptitude does keep track of that kind of dependency
[05:07] <pfp> Selanit: hmm but imo, the dependencies shouldn't change when you add/remove packages from your system
[05:07] <nickrud> that is, what top level package requires the lower level
[05:07] <Selanit> Aptitude, huh?
[05:08] <pfp> maybe nickrud knows better, i haven't used aptitude
[05:08] <hypa7ia> any canucks gotten cd's yet?
[05:08] <Selanit> Maybe I should switch to a real livecd environment instead of a chroot and install that.
[05:08] <IIIEars> pfp - "No super Moo powers?"
[05:09] <mpm> anyone experience the marillat servers going offline intermittently?  I reinstalled and am currently unable to access the w32codecs packages
[05:09] <nickrud> aptitude will track what dependencies it installed for a package you request, and will remove the depenencies
[05:10] <nickrud> upon top level package removal.
[05:10] <nickrud> I spent a few hours cleaning up after apt-get a while ago
[05:10] <pfp> IIIEars: i've always had Super Cow Powers ;) - whatever that means
[05:10] <IIIEars> Heh
[05:11] <Selanit> nickrud: Still not quite what I want.  All I want is to find out what packages are installed that are supposed to be used directly.  Is that so much to ask?  Apparently so . . . .
[05:11] <pfp> or is it *powders?
[05:11] <nickrud> Selanit no, there are guru commands
[05:11] <nickrud> ask one of them, they can get it done :)
[05:13] <Selanit> Great.  All I need now is Super Guru Powers.
[05:13] <Selanit> $sudo guru --help
[05:13] <nickrud> Selanit they drop in and out of here, ask a few times :)
[05:14] <Selanit> I hate when I get stuck on some intermediate stage and spend hours trying to figure it out.  I'd rather move on.
[05:14] <nickrud> Selanit and, it you have flameproof underware, and phrase your question carefully, #debian may help
[05:14] <Selanit> Been there
[05:14] <nickrud> lol
[05:16] <Selanit> It just seems so bizarre that there's no dependency graphs anywhere I could consult.  The package databases list the first-level dependencies of any given package, but not the dependencies of those depdendencies.  And there's apparently no way to search for a program that doesn't supply a dependency.
[05:17] <fossa> use synaptic
[05:18] <Selanit> Synaptic is not set up to tell me which programs don't serve as dependencies to other programs.  And anyway, I'm working from the command-line at the moment.
[05:18] <fossa> 10-4
[05:19] <nickrud> Selanit I assume you know apt-cache [depends|rdpends]
[05:19] <nickrud> and you probably can script better than me
[05:20] <sproingie> aptitude will show dependencies in either direction of a package
[05:20] <Selanit> nickrud: err, actually no.  I've been using a different distro for the last several years . . . ubuntu's the first binary distro I've used in some time.
[05:20] <co_bskt> hi
[05:20] <nickrud> Selanit ignore apt-get, use aptitude, the ncurses version will let you check out a lot
[05:21] <co_bskt> hi
[05:22] <co_bskt> jshduf
[05:22] <co_bskt> dhfushpado
[05:22] <xero> do i need a certain package in order to play DVDs?
[05:24] <co_bskt> hi
[05:24] <mpm> IIIEars++
[05:24] <mpm> thanks
[05:25] <arti> hallo
[05:25] <hypa7ia> xero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:25] <Selanit> Aptitude is closer.  But it's focused on individual packages.    The longer I work at this, the more I like the idea of manually looking up every package and checking its dependencies.  There are only 853 of them . . . it should only take a full day or two if I hurry.
[05:27] <rixth> Quick question, in a shell script, how do I assign 1.1 for $version?
[05:27] <fossa> why are you working on command line?
[05:27] <rixth> to $version*
[05:27] <nickrud> Selanit ask someone about grep-dctrl, I've never grokked it, but I think it's your path
[05:28] <pfp> rixth: umm, just 'version=1.1' (omit the $ from var.name)
[05:28] <Selanit> fossa: because I'm customizing the livecd.  I need to remove several hundred MB of stuff from the LiveCD to make room for . . . other things . . . and I want to start by removing the packages that are least likely to be directly used by a newbie.
[05:28] <Selanit> So at the moment I'm chrooted into an extracted copy of the LiveCD's compressed filesystem.
[05:28] <rixth> pfp, thanks
[05:29] <xero> thanks hypa7ia
[05:29] <fossa> ah so you need to get rid of the big things, then get rid of all the small things that aren't needed by the big things.
[05:30] <Selanit> Some big things are absolutely necessary.  The kernel, for example.
[05:32] <Quest-Master> IIIEars: Hmm?
[05:32] <lydon> anyone know why I wouldn't be able to ping my localhost in any way? not by <IP_ADDRESS>, localhost, or hostname
[05:32] <nickrud> but vimtutor is a good introduction
[05:33] <Selanit> lydon: do you have networking installed?
[05:33] <Selanit> No wait
[05:33] <Selanit> That's a dumb question
[05:33] <lydon> Selanit: yes, I am on it right now
[05:33] <Selanit> Right, obviously, you're here
[05:34] <Selanit> Might be a firewall issue
[05:34] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - I no longer reboot to escape it. small improvement guess thats progress. -lol
[05:34] <Quest-Master> lol
[05:34] <lydon> Selanit: haha... yeah, but here's the thing... I have it set up with apache, and a jabber server, and I can connect to it from other computers on the network
[05:35] <Selanit> What error message does it give you when you ping -c 3 <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:35] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - the GRUB editor is a great deal of "fun" also.
[05:35] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:35] <Selanit> GRUB editor?  I usually use nano for that.
[05:35] <rixth> How do I specify the user in a ftp string? I need to login as anon, "ftp ____ ftp.server.com"?
[05:35] <IIIEars> nano is a bit better
[05:36] <lydon> Selanit: it just kinda sits there for a while then pops down and tells me all packets were lost
[05:36] <Selanit> I think it's ftp://user:password@host/
[05:36] <rixth> Selanit, thanks
[05:37] <Selanit> Hmm.
[05:37] <rixth> ftp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Unknown host nope :(
[05:37] <Selanit> Hmm
[05:37] <Selanit> hold on a sec
[05:38] <lydon> rixth: try ftp://upload.sourceforge.net:user:password
[05:38] <lydon> ... I think it's something besides that second colon though....
[05:38] <rixth> ftp://upload.sourceforge.net:anonymous: Unknown host
[05:38] <ablyss> second color would be read at a port not password
[05:38] <ablyss> color/colon
[05:39] <Selanit> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ftpurl.html
[05:39] <Selanit> ^-- FTP url discussion
[05:39] <ablyss> not all webbroswer support ftp logins either
[05:40] <lydon> true ablyss... and some of them suck at it (ie)
[05:40] <rixth> ablyss, this is from the command line!
[05:40] <nickrud> nice link
[05:40] <ablyss> man ftp
[05:40] <Selanit> I'm not sure it's possible to specify a password for an anonymous account in an URL -- the @ symbol is reserved to divide between the user info and the hostname, but anon access usually requires an email account as the pw.
[05:40] <rixth> ablyss, I've looked
[05:40] <Selanit> Have you tried lftp?
[05:40] <Selanit> That's a decent command-line FTP client.
[05:40] <nickrud> or, have you tried places->connect to server
[05:41] <rixth> I'm kaing a script which makes a zip & tar packages of a dircetory and uploads them to SF
[05:41] <ablyss> echo "username" | ftp some.ftp.site.com
[05:41] <lydon> Anymore ideas on my localhost connection... could it be because I have two network cards and only one is active?
[05:41] <Selanit> That's possible, but I don't really know.
[05:41] <Selanit> Is this causing problems for you?
[05:42] <lydon> well, I'm using it for testing a web-based jabber client... and it can't connect to itself, and it's the jabber server
[05:42] <lydon> but it works perfectly from other workstations, so I could live without it
[05:42] <Selanit> what's the IP address of your machine?
[05:43] <Selanit> That you would ping from one of these other workstations, that is
[05:43] <lydon> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:43] <rixth> Ohhh,
[05:44] <Selanit> Try ping <IP_ADDRESS> from the affected machine and see if it works
[05:44] <lydon> it says invalid argument?
[05:44] <Selanit> ?_?
[05:44] <lydon> wait it says...
[05:44] <lydon> connect: Invalid Argument
[05:44] <Selanit> Google that
[05:45] <Selanit> check the newsgroups to see if someone else has complained about that error; maybe it'll help
[05:48] <fossa> why doesn't the sound volume slider in xmms work for me?
[05:48] <lydon> well, I'll get on it in the morning, thanks for the help Selanit
[05:48] <lydon> good night all
[05:48] <Selanit> Cya
[05:48] <kalias> Hi!  I have a question regarding which c compiler to install.
[05:49] <nickrud> kalias build-essential
[05:49] <nickrud> :)
[05:50] <meph-> hi
[05:50] <nickrud> so, kalias what you been up to?
[05:50] <IIIEars> what is the linux equivalent for "tracert" ?
[05:50] <kalias> nickrud: Hi :) Nice to see you again. I have been busy with work. You?
[05:50] <nickrud> IIIEars traceroute?
[05:50] <Selanit> traceroute . . . ?
[05:50] <meph-> Is there any documentation on setting up ubuntu for a server?
[05:50] <nickrud> me too, got some free time this evening
[05:51] <IIIEars> my gatway is "lost" lol file transfer over irc are stopped.
[05:51] <kalias> nickrud: Cool that way you can do fun things.  I do this linux stuff as a hobby.
[05:52] <nickrud> I use it as my work station, which get my company to pay for my hobby. Clueless, aren't they :)
[05:52] <IIIEars> meph - yes check the ubuntu wiki a nice one there on MySQL also.
[05:52] <kalias> nickrud: Yep.  You a programmer?
[05:52] <nickrud> well, in this case
[05:52] <ablyss> actually i dont know why i didnt think about wget, but wget handles ftp quite nicely
[05:53] <nickrud> kalias twenty years ago, I could have said yes. Now, no
[05:53] <SuperTails92> Is there a Ubuntu package for Midnight Commander?
[05:53] <nickrud> If I really need to, I can read it nowadays, but that's the extent
[05:53] <kalias> nickrud:  I see, we have a cagey veteran in our midst ;)
[05:54] <bob2> SuperTails92: of course, "mc"
[05:54] <nickrud> lol, no, I have forgotten so much I forget what I've forgotten, which is dangerous
[05:54] <SuperTails92> Really? "sudo apt-get install mc" fails.
[05:55] <redtech> whats a decent replacement for xmms ?
[05:55] <bob2> SuperTails92: did you enable the universe repository?
[05:55] <deFrysk> beep-media-player
[05:55] <kalias> nickrud: Funny, I know what you mean.  My speciality is hardware, have to learn this software stuff just to keep up.
[05:55] <bob2> redtech: why not use xmms?
[05:55] <redtech> well.  I keep having a hard time with it
[05:55] <kengur> hi, can someone help with pppoe?
[05:55] <nickrud> kalias heh
[05:56] <redtech> it used to work
[05:56] <bob2> kengur: best to just ask your question...
[05:56] <SuperTails92> Synaptic lists various (universe) categories, so probably.
[05:56] <redtech> now when i hit play....  it buffers then just sits there.    I am going to be writing some stuff for a mips processor.
[05:56] <kengur> bob2, i've gone pppoeconf and got ppp0 running, but the default gateway is eth0 and i can't switch it to use ppp0
[05:56] <bob2> SuperTails92: well, it is in universe, I can see it right now
[05:57] <redtech> so I tried rhythmbox ..  what a klunker that is
[05:57] <bob2> kengur: remove the "gateway" line from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <goldfish> redtech: cplay
[05:57] <nickrud> kalias cross compiling I don't know, basic work yes
[05:58] <kalias> nickrun: okay, I will give it a go and try the cross compiling stuff later.  Thanks for your help :)
[05:58] <redtech> goldfish, thx
[05:59] <kengur> bob2, there's no 'gateway' there, if i add ppp0 in hotplug section would it do?
[05:59] <IIIEars> goldfish - wow lightweight.
[05:59] <IIIEars> goldfish - very nice
[05:59] <bob2> kengur: try commenting out the hotplug lines
[06:00] <bolivar> using the sound recorder that is installed by default to test my mic.  i have everything turned up to record and playback but the playback is very faint.  thoughts please?
[06:01] <bob2> does it work any better in windows or whatever?
[06:01] <bolivar> yes it works fine in xp
[06:01] <goldfish> IIIEars: :)
[06:01] <Stargazer> evening... Question, how does one get rid of graphic corruption using 5.04 PPC on a G3?  Under Gnome there are white shimmering dots all over the screen when viewing videos and under kde the dots appear where the mouse moves to and in window bars..
[06:02] <SuperTails92> bolivar: Have you checked the mixer settings?
[06:02] <SuperTails92> nvm
[06:02] <bolivar> thats ok.  yes i did
[06:02] <bolivar> i made sure to select all the types of input and output devices
[06:02] <bolivar> all are turned up
[06:02] <bolivar> none are mute
[06:03] <kengur> bob2, how do i 'restart' this thing?
[06:03] <bob2> kengur: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[06:04] <bolivar> and i can stream the virgin station with rythmbox and hear it fine
[06:04] <kengur> thanks
[06:05] <kalias> nickrud: I just looked up build esstential and it is a list of tools. Does it then download the c compiler and install it or do I need to do that manually?
[06:05] <goldfish> kalias: should install the compiler for you
[06:05] <j-rock> kalias: build-essential should install gcc for you
[06:05] <kalias> okay, thanks guys, I will give it a go :)
[06:06] <nickrud> kalias build essential gets you gcc, and related. After that, you may need to install specific -dev packages for the purpose, and, maybe, older tools.
[06:06] <mpm> when starting apps in term are "art_render_invoke: no image source given" _and_ "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" avoidable errors?
[06:06] <nickrud> kalias but build essential is, as it says, essential :)
[06:07] <synd> haha microsof has finally built a plugin for IE to have tabbed browsing.. still sucks tho
[06:07] <synd> soft*
[06:07] <kalias> nickrud:  thanks :) It is in progress as we speak.
[06:07] <Teknoenie> g'day all
[06:07] <Teknoenie> is there a way to online resize my root filesystem
[06:07] <Teknoenie> ext3
[06:08] <Seveas> Teknoenie, you have to boot from a livecd to do that iirc
[06:08] <crb> Hi all.
[06:08] <Teknoenie> thought so
[06:08] <Teknoenie> no online resize in Ubuntu yet eh
[06:08] <crb> Probably a generic kernel thing, but I have two hoary machines on similar (P4ish) hardware that, after an hour or so of uptime, lock up whenever there's any disc activity.
[06:09] <crb> Teknoenie: you can resize discs from the Ubuntu installer?
[06:09] <crb> Any ideas?  Saving config files causes 30s of unresponsiveness
[06:09] <IIIEars> xvidcap-1.1.3 ffmpeg libdvdcss, mad series gstreamer-mad etc, - just about anything that plays mp3's or DVDs right now. - more lawsuits coming i am sure.
[06:09] <crb> loading a man page, etc ;)
[06:10] <Vagabond> please for someone to help me
[06:10] <goldfish> whats wrong?
[06:11] <Vagabond> I have to make ndiswrapper so that I can use wireless internet card but when I try I get an error message, can't find kernel sources.  where oh where are my kernel sources?
[06:11] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:11] <goldfish> are u trying to install it via apt-get?
[06:12] <bob2> Vagabond: you don't need to "make" it, it's included
[06:12] <Vagabond> no, im installing it by make && make install
[06:12] <Vagabond> this laptop over here where you cant see it isnt plugged into the internet
[06:12] <bob2> so...
[06:12] <Vagabond> well im compiling from source
[06:12] <goldfish> hmm, the guide from the wiki only shows instructions for compiling from source....
[06:12] <bob2> it's way easier not to
[06:12] <Vagabond> what!?
[06:13] <goldfish> Vagabond: sudo apt-get instsll ndiswrapper-utils
[06:13] <goldfish> (instal
[06:13] <goldfish> gah
[06:13] <goldfish> *install :)
[06:13] <Vagabond> righto
[06:15] <tkiesel> Hiya everyone.
[06:16] <goldfish> hi
[06:16] <tkiesel> My wife and I had enough spare parts to make a computer for a buddy of ours. Installing Hoary on it now. :)
[06:16] <goldfish> tkiesel: lol, nice
[06:16] <Vagabond_> re hi
[06:17] <tkiesel> He's going to be connecting via a modem. That's the only part I'm unfamiliar with yet.
[06:17] <tkiesel> wb Vagabond.
[06:17] <BlueT_> wHisKy: thanx :p
[06:17] <Vagabond> thanks
[06:17] <Vagabond> why is it that I did not specify a root password but it still demands one from me?
[06:17] <twitch> I'm having some trouble with my voodoo2 graphics card I just put in my linux box
[06:18] <nickrud> tkiesel pppconfig will be his friend
[06:18] <tkiesel> Vagabond: It'll be the password of the user you created during install.
[06:18] <tkiesel> nickrud: Is that one GUI-ified? He's never used Linux before.
[06:18] <Vagabond> I tried that
[06:18] <nickrud> no, but it's extremely simple
[06:19] <twitch> I have it installed, and lspic recognizes it but when i go to boot it doesn't pick up the card and doesnt display anything
[06:19] <twitch> lspci*
[06:19] <tkiesel> nickrud: Right on. :)
[06:19] <bob2> Vagabond: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:19] <bob2> Vagabond: what is demanding a "root password" fromyou?
[06:19] <nickrud> tkiesel don't hide the terminal from him, when he wakes up, he'll hate you for it :)
[06:20] <tkiesel> lmao.
[06:20] <goldfish> terminal is best lace to leran
[06:20] <tkiesel> I think he'll be able to handle it.
[06:20] <bob2> twitch: lspci doesn't have any relation to your system "recognising" a card, it just shows that it's physically connected
[06:20] <goldfish> *place
[06:20] <bob2> twitch: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:20] <Vagabond> the, uh... terminal
[06:21] <IIIEars> goldfidh - why can't they grep and pipe the info to hardware setup?
[06:21] <goldfish> ??
[06:21] <root____1> hi
[06:21] <helpee> Q: I some how have screwed up my mbr
[06:21] <IIIEars> goldfish - stile canned spall - sawry. :/
[06:21] <helpee> i am on ubuntu live cd
[06:21] <helpee> how can i get it to redetect and reinstall bootloader?
[06:21] <goldfish> IIIEars: no problem, cant who grep what ehwhen?
[06:22] <bob2> Vagabond: what terminal?
[06:22] <helpee> anyone? ;-( grub does not appear to be on ubuntu live
[06:22] <IIIEars> goldfish - if the info can be gotten using lspci why isn't it added automagically?
[06:22] <goldfish> em
[06:22] <Seveas> Vagabond, you must have typed a command in that terminal, which command?
[06:22] <Selanit> helpee: how did you screw up your MBR using the LiveCD?
[06:22] <helpee> it wasnt livecd
[06:23] <helpee> it was reinstall m$ *sigh*
[06:23] <nickrud> IIIEars someone has to write a hotplug/udev combination to make it work
[06:23] <Vagabond> I typed sudo blah blah blah whatever goldfish told me to
[06:23] <Seveas> helpee, grub is un the livecd
[06:23] <Seveas> Vagabond, you need *your own* password for that
[06:23] <helpee> can you tell me where
[06:23] <helpee> find could not find it
[06:23] <Seveas> Vagabond: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:23] <Vagabond> thanks
[06:23] <IIIEars> nickrud - the next test of a cards abilities? cache/ram/speed?
[06:23] <goldfish> IIIEars: lspci just reads from the hardware afaik
[06:24] <flodine> how do you install mplayer
[06:24] <Seveas> helpee, just run: sudo grub-install '(hd0)' after mounting your disks and chrooting into your installed system
[06:24] <helpee> i only see .lst, .pl, grub.vim
[06:24] <helpee> no grub-install
[06:24] <nickrud> IIIEars eh, after I wrote that I wondered exactly what it was about, that's a generality
[06:24] <goldfish> flodine: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[06:24] <Selanit> Try sudo apt-get install grub and then see if you have grub-install . . . ?
[06:25] <deFrysk> mplayer-<arch>
[06:25] <Seveas> helpee, after you chroot into your installed system, you use the grub-install that is on yout hard drive
[06:25] <flodine> thxs
[06:25] <helpee> installing new pacage
[06:25] <IIIEars> giant flat file compare would be too easy i guess. if it was that easy it would of been done already. - oh well.
[06:25] <SLicE_> hey guys just out of curiousity, if I installed the drivers off the ati webpage and installed it, I don't need the synaptic fglrx control and xorg driver-fglrx do I?
[06:26] <helpee> ok have grub
[06:27] <IIIEars> cool
[06:27] <Seveas> helpee, you still need to mount your drives and chroot into your installed system....
[06:27] <helpee>  grub-install hd0
[06:27] <helpee> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[06:27] <Seveas> otherwise grub-install cannot work correctly...
[06:30] <IIIEars> << used to smoke Chroots in the army       cheroots?  - grin
[06:31] <IcemanV9> totem, xine or mplayer (doesn't work) won't play my homemade DVD movie??? its think i am playing it illegally. sheesh. is there a way to play it?
[06:32] <mpm> IcemanV9: did you try vlc?
[06:32] <nickrud> IIIEars army? navy
[06:32] <IcemanV9> no. i didn't install vlc. let me try
[06:32] <IIIEars> nickrud 11Bravo 4/10th Inf Panama
[06:33] <Quest-Master> IcemanV9: If VLC doesn't work, try Ogle
[06:33] <IcemanV9> ha. try ALL of them, eh? :)
[06:33] <kalias> Away:
[06:33] <IIIEars> remember Iran Contra and the "School" of the Americas?
[06:33] <nickrud> IIIEars USS Manitowoc LST 1180
[06:33] <IIIEars> nickrud - Salute
[06:33] <nickrud> known as a large slow target
[06:34] <nickrud> Salute
[06:34] <twitch> could someone help me set up my voodoo 2 card?
[06:34] <nickrud> heh, but off topic :)
[06:35] <Dethread> hm...what do these permissions mean?    drwx------+
[06:35] <Seveas> Dethread, owner can read,write,execute, others cannotr
[06:35] <Dethread> what's that +
[06:35] <twitch> lspci detects it, but when i start up my machine nothing boots to the screen with the monitor plugged into the card, but when its plugged into the onboard it works
[06:35] <kalias> BACK
[06:36] <kalias> quit
[06:36] <caonex> hello while running apt-get i get the error: segmentation faulty tree and exits, how can i fix this?
[06:38] <IcemanV9> dang .. vlc is no good .. onward to Ogle *sigh*
[06:38] <nickrud> caonex it that the complete error?
[06:38] <caonex> yes
[06:38] <caonex> that is all it says
[06:38] <nickrud> apt-get i what?
[06:38] <nickrud> ?
[06:38] <caonex> i get it when i run apt-get upgrade
[06:39] <caonex> when i run apt-get update it works
[06:39] <caonex> i am running hoary
[06:39] <nickrud> caonex please paste the error in #flood, that's weird
[06:39] <caonex> with the standard kernel that is bundled
[06:39] <caonex> ok
[06:40] <IcemanV9> DANG! ogle is no go. *sigh* onward to google
[06:40] <ReleaseX> i love it when you are helping someone, and they give up and leave
[06:41] <caonex> nickrud, i would not be able to cut and paste because the system is remote and seems that the internet is down, i was just in. And I have been trying to run apt-get after restarting and all for the past few days and nothing.
[06:41] <nickrud> ReleaseX they're not used to #ubuntu, I figure. From the what the refugees from other channels say, this one is unusual
[06:42] <felix> Hello everyone
[06:42] <ReleaseX> nickrud, i just don't see it, seems normal to me
[06:42] <caonex> nickrud, i can probably check with you tomorrow and paste the error
[06:42] <nickrud> caonex your report was kinda vague, & I can't promise I'll see it, but I am in and out
[06:43] <nickrud> ReleaseX just a gut feel
[06:43] <imaekphp> :|
[06:43] <caonex> nickrud, that is all the information i get, i cant say anything else, i would be lying.
[06:44] <Dethread> google knows about that one...
[06:44] <KarlosII> anyone running gallery using ubuntu?
[06:44] <nickrud> caonex I assume you're paraphrasing, and an actual cut and paste of the would help
[06:44] <nickrud> *error
[06:44] <caonex> nickrud, hopefully i will see you tomorrow. Well i could swear to you all i see after running apt-get upgrade is:
[06:44] <caonex> Segmentation Fault tree 50%
[06:45] <caonex> and gets outs
[06:45] <nickrud> caonex I've never seen that one. But that is not authoritative :)
[06:45] <caonex> nickrud, but you do not have to believe me and it is kind of vague, but whenever i see you next i will paste it.
[06:45] <felix> Totally new to linux, and Ubuntu: Do i have to manually enter my wep key everytime I start up Ubuntu? I currently have to do this then grab the DHCP address from my router
[06:45] <ice_1963> whats up whith kde 3.4 it keep's crashing on kubuntu ?????
[06:45] <Dethread> caonex, maybe this will help http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/03/msg00847.html
[06:46] <caonex> nickrud, i understand, you are the first here to seem to know, i have pasted it and all i have receive as answer is to reinstall which i cannt
[06:46] <nickrud> oh, Dethread has given us something to read, caonex
[06:47] <Selanit> Tchah!  I give up for now.  Time to go unwind.
[06:47] <Selanit> Cya, ppl.
[06:47] <Dethread> someone replied to there "Usually 'rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin' makes it go away, I dont understand how it is possible to get into a state where that is required"
[06:47] <Dethread> an "apt-get clean" would probably help out
[06:47] <nickrud> what I like is it's from 2000
[06:47] <Dethread> aye :)
[06:47] <caonex> Dethread, i will try that next time computer comes on, thanks
[06:50] <nedwasp> can anyone recommend a remote address book host (like for ldap) so i can access my address book anywhere?
[06:50] <nickrud> someone knows what could cause a 'faulty' tree :)
[06:51] <bob2> "faulty tree"?
[06:51] <nickrud> bob2 see Dethread's link above
[06:52] <Dethread> bob2, on an "apt-get upgrade" -> "Segmentation faulty Tree"
[06:52] <bob2> er
[06:52] <nedwasp> i can't seem to get transparency to work at all.  i have transset and xcommgr installed and enabled in my x config
[06:52] <bob2> that's because it's printing two messages over the top of each other
[06:52] <bob2> one says "segmentation fault", one says "building somethingy tree"
[06:52] <Dethread> ah
[06:52] <Dethread> missing a newline there :)
[06:52] <nickrud> k
[06:53] <bob2> yeah
[06:53] <Dethread> makes sense
[06:53] <bob2> crashing apt is kinda impressive
[06:53] <nickrud> caonex take a bow
[06:53] <bob2> can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood?
[06:53] <Dethread> I'd think it's pretty robust
[06:53] <chrishaum> Hi I have several questions
[06:53] <Dethread> bob2, it's on a remote machine to which he doesn't have access right now
[06:54] <bob2> ouch
[06:54] <chrishaum> I'm a newbie to Ubuntu
[06:54] <Dethread> chrishaum, just ask
[06:54] <chrishaum> Does Ubuntu only work on certain laptops?
[06:55] <bob2> no
[06:55] <bob2> it works on almost all
[06:55] <chrishaum> I have an Averatec...
[06:55] <chrishaum> It workedon my desktop, butnotthe laptop
[06:55] <Dethread> see, it doesn't exactly depend on the manufacturer of the laptop, but on the hardware it contains
[06:56] <chrishaum> this laptop is "designed for windows xp"
[06:56] <Dethread> most are...
[06:56] <Dethread> which model is it?
[06:56] <r0bby_> all computers are.
[06:56] <chrishaum> 5400 series
[06:56] <nedwasp> anyone know a good solution for a remote address book to access through an email client
[06:57] <chrishaum> amd opteron processor
[06:57] <Dethread> chrishaum, I don't see 5400 on averatec's website...
[06:57] <Dethread> just 5500 series
[06:57] <bob2> wtf
[06:57] <chrishaum> hmmm. just a sec
[06:57] <bob2> an opteron laptop?
[06:57] <bob2> are you sure you don't mean "athlon 64"?
[06:58] <Dethread> the 5500 has a Sempron
[06:58] <chrishaum> yes positive
[06:58] <imaek>  /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dl: unrecognied option '/dev/modem' <== Does anybody know why it would not recognize /dev/modem (even though it exists)?
[06:59] <chrishaum> "Dublin 2800+"
[06:59] <Dethread> ah, I found it, http://www.averatec.com/archives/5400series.htm
[06:59] <Quest-Master> imaek, I'm betting it's a modprobe problem.
[06:59] <imaek> :|
[06:59] <imaek> what module?
[06:59] <Quest-Master> No idea. :D
[06:59] <Dethread> chrishaum, so...when you say "it doesn't work"...what do you mean by that?
[06:59] <Quest-Master> You'll have to find it. ;d
[07:00] <tiglionabbit> you're going to slap me for asking this, but what's a good sega emulator that'll run on ubuntu?
[07:00] <chrishaum> well....
[07:00] <chrishaum> i can't get the disk to boot
[07:00] <chrishaum> to run off of the cd
[07:00] <chrishaum> i checked the md5 checksum and it's ok
[07:00] <chrishaum> and i ran it on another computer
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> what happens when you try to boot from cd, chrishaum?
[07:01] <chrishaum> nothing.
[07:01] <chrishaum> it boots xp
[07:01] <QMario> What do these error messages mean: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> set it in your bios
[07:01] <QMario> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[07:01] <chrishaum> i have this bios order:
[07:01] <chrishaum> cd --> usb --> hd
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> hm
[07:02] <IIIEars_Ogging> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me.
[07:02] <QMario> I received them when I wanted re-install a different version of Samba.
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> qmario: that means you're trying to run two package managers at the same time, or you don't have privileges to run them
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> wait no
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> I'm sorry
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> that means stuff is fucked up
[07:02] <nickrud> QMario probably two problems, one, you have wierd sources, and two, you have a lock file from a cancelled apt session
[07:02] <ardob11> new to linux. I installed real player 10, but it doesn't open by clicking on it
[07:02] <Dethread> tiglionabbit, what do you mean by "sega emulator"? Genesis?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> dethread: yes
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> must play rocket knight adventures
[07:03] <xero> hey guys, i just downloaded MPlayer-1.0pre7.tar.bz2 ... how do i install this?
[07:03] <QMario> What about the broken packages?
[07:03] <chrishaum> maybe someone could help mein a private chat?
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> xero: you can get mplayer from synaptic if you add the universe repository
[07:03] <nickrud> QMario if you have broken packages, I'll lay money you have non ubuntu sources.
[07:03] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is the cd rom internal?
[07:04] <crimsun> tiglionabbit: (and multiverse)
[07:04] <ardob11> is there a good media player with all the codecses available?
[07:04] <chrishaum> yes, internal
[07:04] <ardob11> including real player and wmv
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> qmario: best thing would probably be to add more ubuntu repositories and hope it works them out, or uninstall things you got from non-official repositories if that doesn't work
[07:04] <xero> tiglionabbit: ok, ill try that out, thx
[07:05] <imaek>  /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dl: unrecognized option '/dev/modem' <== How can I figure out what module it needs (/dev/modem exists)
[07:05] <chrishaum> is this laptop supported?
[07:05] <QMario> I did everything you guys told me to do, but you are correct.
[07:05] <nedwasp> chrishaum, try go into the boot menu at startup with the ubuntu cd in the drive and and choose cd-rom and see what happends
[07:05] <xero> tiglionabbit: i cant find it in synaptic
[07:05] <chrishaum> i cant make it to the boot menu
[07:06] <chrishaum> i cant force boot from cd
[07:06] <chrishaum> or at least i dont know how on this particular laptop
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> xero: um, as crimsun said, you need the multiverse repositories too.  Pretty much uncomment all of the repositories in your sources.list
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> (all of the default repositories)
[07:06] <nedwasp> you can get into the bios right?  so you should be able to get into the boot menu.  what is the bios key?
[07:06] <nickrud> QMario if you'll post your sources.list somewhere, I'll try to walk you out of your predicament (I got a little time)
[07:06] <nedwasp> f2?
[07:07] <xero> tiglionabbit: k ill try that right now
[07:07] <chrishaum> i can get into bios
[07:07] <chrishaum> but i save and it just boots xp
[07:07] <xero> tiglionabbit: nevermind found it in synaptic
[07:07] <QMario> Okay nickrud!
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> good
[07:08] <QMario> Hold on....
[07:08] <nickrud> QMario no promises, just a litte time ...
[07:08] <chrishaum> on the desktop, there was a menu (F9) that force-booted from whatever
[07:08] <nedwasp> right, i get that.  but i had this old inspiron that wouldn't boot from the cd and i went into the boot menu which was another function key and had to choose cd-rom and then it "finally" took
[07:08] <chrishaum> butnot on the laptop
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> anyway, anyone know a good genesis emulator?  gens seems to be a WIP, and dgen isn't working for me
[07:09] <QMario> Is there a pastebot for this channel?
[07:09] <chrishaum> so the boot menu was separate from the bios
[07:09] <nedwasp> have you tried any of the other f's on the laptop.  there should be the bios one(which you already know about), and maybe a boot menu one and a system settings one, maybe
[07:09] <IIIEars_Ogging> pastebin.com
[07:09] <nickrud> QMario pastebin.com or pastebin.ca should work
[07:09] <chrishaum> ok...i have to get off to try
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> qmario: you can tell someone you're pasting in #flood too if you want
[07:09] <IIIEars_Ogging> ubuntupastebin.com or #flood
[07:09] <nedwasp> ok, good luck
[07:09] <chrishaum> thanks
[07:10] <nedwasp> anyone know a good way to remotely host an address book for thunderbird
[07:10] <IIIEars_Ogging> *ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:10] <dasuberdavud> hey ive got a dell inspiron 1150 laptop with wireless card, running ubuntu hoarty, i cant get ndiswrapper to work it says it cant load the .ko file
[07:10] <QMario> http://pastebin.com/298191
[07:10] <dasuberdavud> someone please help
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> well, talk to you guys later, bubbye
[07:11] <ardob11> anybody has any idea why real player 10 wont' open, i installed it two times
[07:12] <IIIEars_Ogging> QMario - Backport error?
[07:12] <nickrud> QMario ok, first replace that with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles .
[07:12] <dasuberdavud> anyone know how to get ndiswrapper to work on hoarty ?
[07:12] <nedwasp> ardob11, i have the same prob, it just hangs on starup, you?
[07:12] <nickrud> the better organized version
[07:12] <ardob11> exactly
[07:13] <nickrud> in other words, backports are history
[07:13] <nedwasp> ardob11, i searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer.
[07:13] <nedwasp> maybe here
[07:13] <ardob11> i guess there is some other alternative with real codecs!?
[07:13] <nickrud> we'll deal with what's broken after you've replaced your sources.list, and done an aptitude update
[07:14] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, firstly, it's hoary, not hoarty :) secondly, have you followed this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto ?
[07:14] <nedwasp> ardob11, i don't think so, i install helix, which works but doesn't run the real codecs
[07:14] <nedwasp> what kind of computer you on?
[07:14] <nickrud> QMario you ok with that?
[07:14] <ardob11> ok thnx too bad
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> i have dell inspiron 1150
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> thats the error im getting
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> i need help
[07:16] <QMario> Error: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> asap please
[07:16] <nedwasp> did you check that wiki entry?
[07:16] <ardob11> me?
[07:16] <nedwasp> yeah ardob11
[07:16] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, try to insert the module with superuser privileges (sudo)
[07:16] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, AND read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:16] <nickrud> QMario that's a classic error, your sources.list is not good
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> im in as the user root
[07:16] <ardob11> athlon
[07:16] <QMario> Unable to find expected entry unvers/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:17] <ardob11> self-made :)
[07:17] <nedwasp> ardob11, ok, completely different, i just was thinking that it's a rare error cause nobody else seems to have this problem
[07:17] <nickrud> now that's one I haven't seen.
[07:17] <nedwasp> ardob11, selfmade? nice
[07:17] <dasuberdavud> when i try it with sudo it says the same thing
[07:17] <QMario> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/Release
[07:18] <nickrud> hm
[07:18] <ardob11> nothing special, but you tend to love your creation howerver it turns out
[07:18] <nickrud> QMario paste the sources.list you used for the last aptitude update
[07:18] <redjustice> Hi
[07:19] <nedwasp> of course, just like cooking a crappy meal.  do you know of a good way to remotely host an address book for access through an email client
[07:19] <Miks> mmm when streaming some radio station....if i set up certain cache size for th estreaming...for example 65 kbytes...then it buffers 64kbytes and reproduce...and what happens when it reaches the max cache size?....will i store lots of recording or the cache resets itself and start over when it gets to its max?
[07:19] <ardob11> nope
[07:19] <nedwasp> ok then
[07:19] <redjustice> how to I get permission to extract to a folder? is it sudo su to become superuser?
[07:19] <QMario> Hold on...
[07:19] <Dethread> Miks, you mean a buffer? or a cache?
[07:20] <nickrud> QMario typo, unvers is not a section, your sources are still not right
[07:20] <Miks> cache
[07:20] <Dethread> redjustice, just sudo is sufficient
[07:20] <QMario> http://pastebin.com/298195
[07:21] <dasuberdavud> anyone know how to make broadcom wireless card work with ndiswraper?
[07:21] <ardob11> nedwasp, why don't you try firebird help or something @ mozilla
[07:21] <nedwasp> good call, but i can't seem to find the right channel
[07:21] <nedwasp> is there a thunderbird channel you know of?
[07:22] <nickrud> QMario I can't see how you would have that error with those sources, even though they're not the ones I recommended
[07:22] <chrishaum> hi im back
[07:22] <nedwasp> ardob11, i found it
[07:22] <hanseatic> hi
[07:22] <chrishaum> i tested with the xp boot disk
[07:22] <QMario> Here are my new sources: http://pastebin.com/298196
[07:22] <redjustice> Is there some sort of installer out there to install tar program for u?
[07:22] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, check this out : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22049.html
[07:22] <ardob11> any mozilla should work
[07:23] <chrishaum> a line blinkedfor abit, then it said "press any key toboot from cd"
[07:23] <hanseatic> I've messed up my /etc/environment. anyone an idea how to fix it, or could anyone post his'?
[07:23] <chrishaum> but the same prompt never came up with the ubuntucd
[07:23] <popey> hannes_: LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_GB:en_US:en"
[07:23] <Miks> how can i look for the directories and all the files that belong to some installed program?
[07:23] <popey> oops, wrong person, sorry hannes_
[07:24] <popey> hanseatic: LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_GB:en_US:en"
[07:24] <popey> hanseatic: LANG=en_GB
[07:24] <nickrud> QMario well, they're not mine, but they are free :0
[07:24] <Dethread> Miks, you can't really...you can search for its name, or look at what happens on "make installl" (if you installed from src)
[07:24] <nickrud> QMario and they will show up what is not native to ubuntu
[07:24] <phillipc> I set up a dhcp server on my ubuntu machine. Clients connect to it and get a dhcp address. However, those clients can't connect the network, it's "unreachable." Why? Clients can't ping the dhcp server
[07:25] <popey> phillipc: have you set the default gateway up in the dhcpd config?
[07:26] <popey> phillipc: same subnet on all machines?
[07:26] <nickrud> QMario now, if you start synaptic, do an update, under obsolete and local packages, there will be some stuff
[07:26] <j2dope> hi i have  usb wifi card thing. can this work on ubuntu? if so how?
[07:26] <nickrud> *after the update, there will be
[07:26] <nedwasp> chrishaum, what happened?  i got disconnected
[07:26] <popey> j2dope: depends which one
[07:26] <nickrud> mark all that for deletion.
[07:26] <j2dope> tis just a cheap gigway one
[07:26] <hanseatic> poppey thnx
[07:26] <j2dope> 802.11g
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: do you know what the chipset is?
[07:27] <chrishaum> ok
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: does "usbview" give useful information about the device
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: or lsusb?
[07:27] <Miks> well...i just have this doubt..if im streaming radio...will i get to store lots of recording...or is that some kind of memory space that resets itself and start again when filled?
[07:27] <nickrud> synaptic is probably smart enough to straighten it out.
[07:27] <chrishaum> i tried an xp boot disk and it said press any key to boot from cd
[07:27] <chrishaum> i then tried ubuntu cd, and it didn't say"tpress any key..." it just booted xp
[07:27] <Dethread> Miks, yeah, that's what a cache does
[07:28] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey hey
[07:28] <phillipc> popey: same subnet. How do I configure a default gateway?
[07:28] <Dethread> Miks, it'll replace contents once it's full
[07:28] <popey> chrishaum: that's a "feature" of the xp cd
[07:28] <nedwasp> am xp  boot floppy?
[07:28] <Miks> thanks Dethread
[07:28] <j2dope> popey: lsusb doesn't say what chipset
[07:28] <j2dope> and the box doesn't give away much info either.
[07:28] <popey> j2dope: but does it tell you anything at all about the device?
[07:28] <chrishaum> an xp boot cd
[07:29] <QMario> Where are the obsolete and local packages? I can not find them.
[07:29] <j2dope> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 1058:0402 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
[07:29] <j2dope> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0ace:1211
[07:29] <j2dope> the western digital is my external hdd
[07:29] <popey> chrishaum: yes, xp boot cds ask you to press a key to boot from cd so that if you leave it in the drive when you reboot it doesn't automatically boot from cd if you're away when it powers up
[07:29] <DonL> Help!!!
[07:29] <nickrud> QMario if you have synaptic open, it's in the left pane
[07:29] <popey> DonL: we're not mind readers, what's the problem?
[07:29] <chrishaum> ahhh....
[07:30] <DonL> I just screwed up my desktop playing a game...
[07:30] <Dethread> restart X
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> three finger salute it.
[07:30] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is there a floppy drive?
[07:30] <DonL> and I now have what used to be the top menu bar now at the left side in greatly magnified proportions, and I can't get rid of it
[07:31] <Dethread> DonL, grab it and move it back to the top
[07:31] <chrishaum> no floppy
[07:31] <popey> j2dope:  is it one of these ? http://www.edimax.com.tw/html/english/products/EW-7317Ug.htm
[07:31] <DonL> I've restarted x, and the whole computer, and reinstalled gnome, and it's still there
[07:31] <j2dope> checking popey thanks
[07:31] <phillipc> popey: how do I set up a default gateway?
[07:31] <DonL> I can't grab it because there's no place to get a grip on it
[07:31] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is there an os on there now?
[07:31] <popey> phillipc:   option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;   in your dhcpd.conf
[07:32] <nalioth> DonL: right click and 'remove' the whole thing
[07:32] <KarlosII> anyone running gallery using ubuntu?
[07:32] <Dethread> DonL, if you can't find space to grab it, remove entries until there is enough space
[07:32] <popey> KarlosII: I run gallery on debian
[07:32] <DonL> nalioth, when I right, left, or anything click anywhere, it picks the nearest app
[07:32] <IIIEars> nalioth - if it has " applications" "Places" "System"?
[07:32] <popey> phillipc: on the dhcp server
[07:32] <chrishaum> windows xp
[07:32] <phillipc> popey: I added that option, doesn't seem to make a different
[07:33] <DonL> Dethread,  ok. I'll try that
[07:33] <phillipc> popey: still network unreachable on the clients
[07:33] <popey> phillipc: the clients can't even ping the dhcp server..?
[07:33] <nedwasp> chrishaum, do you wanna dual-boot or overwrite the whole thing with ubuntu?
[07:34] <QMario> How do I do an update in Synaptic Package Manager? Can't you only do that in the terminal?
[07:34] <chrishaum> neither
[07:34] <DonL> Yay! I deleted the panel. Now how do I re-get my top one again?
[07:34] <Dethread> QMario, there is a "Reload" button
[07:34] <chrishaum> i just wnat to try the run-from-cd
[07:34] <KarlosII> popey, well I trying to set it up on ubuntu
[07:34] <popey> chrishaum: you saying ubuntu doesn't boot from cd?
[07:35] <chrishaum> correct
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: ooer
[07:35] <Dethread> popey, his laptop doesn't like the CD
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: is this a cd you burned yourself from the ISO?
[07:35] <chrishaum> yes
[07:35] <chrishaum> ichecked the md5
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: boot to windows and insert the ubuntu cd, what do you see?
[07:35] <IIIEars> QMario - The update tool in System >> Administration >> Ubuntu Update Manager?
[07:35] <chrishaum> and it works on a desktop
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: you didn't do something silly like put the ISO *on* the cd?
[07:35] <chrishaum> i see the menu that says to install various items
[07:36] <chrishaum> no....
[07:36] <popey> oh ok
[07:36] <popey> :)
[07:36] <fossa> hi
[07:36] <chrishaum> i burnt the iso *to* the cd w/alcohol 120
[07:36] <popey> chrishaum: I have a pc here which is picky about what CDs it will boot from
[07:36] <j2dope> popey: that wasn't my exact one. mine is a Gigaway brand (i can't find any pics online of it)... but they do look similar
[07:36] <phillipc> popey: can't ping the dhcp server. It gets an ip from the server and then can't ping it =)
[07:36] <QMario> Nickud, I still can't find a section that says "Obsolete and Old Packages". I am looking in the left pane too.
[07:36] <phillipc> popey: ping fails immediately with connect: Network is unreachable
[07:37] <popey> phillipc: ifconfig on the client machines shows they have an IP?
[07:37] <fossa> since ubuntu won't write to ntfs partitions, and winxp won't recognize linux partitions, i made a fat32 partition for transferring files. but windowsxp will only recognize ntfs. can i make it recognize the fat32? (don't flame pls)
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: yep
[07:37] <nickrud> QMario
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: when I ifup the interface, I get "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"
[07:37] <popey> fossa: no, xp DOES read fat32
[07:37] <IIIEars> Chrihaum - nice tool - gnomebaker is just as straightforward tho k3b is more powerful in linux
[07:37] <popey> fossa: did you create the fat32 with windows or linux?
[07:37] <xero> anyone know how to install themes?
[07:37] <fossa> linux. windows didn't give the option of formatting fat32.
[07:37] <popey> phillipc: lights on hub/switch?
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: both good
[07:37] <popey> fossa: under windows you can use fdisk to format as fat32
[07:38] <QMario> Sorry for spelling your name incorrectly. :(
[07:38] <popey> fossa: I had the same issue with an external USB hdd, use windows to make the fat32 part
[07:38] <fossa> fdisk
[07:38] <fossa> ok
[07:38] <IIIEars> fossa - np - grab an old live CD - knoppix maybe and got to work with fdisk or better qtparted
[07:38] <popey> phillipc: have you got the mii-tool ?
[07:38] <Imical> was wondering what is the best way to install a .deb file?
[07:38] <chrishaum> popey:
[07:38] <popey> Imical: dpkg -i <packagename>
[07:38] <popey> chrishaum:
[07:38] <nedwasp> dpkg -i <
[07:38] <nickrud> QMario np
[07:38] <fossa> i used gparted in my ubuntu to create the fat32
[07:38] <chrishaum> so you think it is the comp
[07:39] <phillipc> popey: I don't think so
[07:39] <chrishaum> and not ubuntu being picky
[07:39] <nedwasp> popey, you're quick
[07:39] <QMario> Why did you just say my name, nickrud?
[07:39] <popey> chrishaum: some are picky like that, yeah
[07:39] <popey> nedwasp: I've just had coffee :D
[07:39] <nickrud> most people here are anonymous, anyway :)
[07:39] <nedwasp> haha
[07:39] <IIIEars> fossa - qtparted is really nice.
[07:39] <fossa> yeah it worked great! but winxp still won't mount the fat32 part.
[07:39] <chrishaum> bummer, eh?
[07:39] <popey> phillipc: it could be the full/duplex issue, get the mii-tool package
[07:39] <popey> fossa: thats odd
[07:40] <nickrud> QMario it's just I'm trying to figure out a way to find out just where you are, so I can help you get to where you want to be
[07:40] <popey> fossa: xp pro or xp home?
[07:40] <fossa> pro
[07:40] <IIIEars> fossa - Ach. - that isn't very nice.
[07:40] <syntaxman> I just did an upgrade of my Hoary install, including a new kernel... Now I reboot and have no /dev/cdrom* devices.
[07:40] <syntaxman> Is this a udev thing?
[07:40] <j2dope> brb
[07:40] <popey> fossa: and you removed the partition and rebooted ? :D
[07:40] <popey> fossa: then recreated?
[07:40] <syntaxman> do I need to manually create these cdrom devices?
[07:40] <nickrud> QMario I like having a baseline, and the wiki exampleconffiles is a good starting point.
[07:41] <chrishaum> well then another question
[07:41] <popey> heh
[07:41] <popey> fire away
[07:41] <Dethread> coffee sounds tasty....I should get some
[07:41] <IIIEars> << cough lights another
[07:41] <chrishaum> how do i get my external (thumb-drive type) netgear wireless lan to work in ubuntu?
[07:41] <fossa> windows would only create the partition if it was in ntfs, so i created the partition in fat32 with gparted in linux. then rebooted into windows, and windows won't mount it now that it is there.
[07:41] <Imical> 'dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb     dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege' is that normal?
[07:41] <phillipc> popey: actually I tried `route` on a client, and the destination is "<IP_ADDRESS>" and the gateway is "*". Does that sound right?
[07:41] <nickrud> pops a top
[07:41] <popey> chrishaum: it might need madwifi driver
[07:42] <Dethread> Imical, yes, you need superuser privileges to install packages
[07:42] <Dethread> Imical, use sudo
[07:42] <phillipc> popey: the machine running dhcp giving out addresses is <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:42] <popey> phillipc: what IP does each machine have?
[07:42] <chrishaum> ok??
[07:42] <phillipc> popey: the client I'm testing has <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:42] <nalioth> how y'all doin tonight?
[07:42] <Dethread> not good
[07:42] <Imical> Dethread:  sorry but new to Ubuntu how do I get superuser privileges?
[07:42] <chrishaum> how cani get madwifidriver?
[07:42] <IIIEars> nalioth - you rock!
[07:42] <popey> chrishaum: sorry to say.. google...
[07:43] <nalioth> IIIEars: what'd i do?
[07:43] <Dethread> Imical, sudo dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[07:43] <nalioth> IIIEars: did my autoanswer give someone a surprise?
[07:43] <popey> chrishaum: there's quite a bit of docus out there if you google for "linux" and your model of card
[07:43] <IIIEars> lol - erm do-od that's california speak. - grin
[07:43] <chrishaum> docus????
[07:43] <popey> chrishaum: some cards don't have a native linux driver, so some use a wrapper
[07:44] <chrishaum> ok...
[07:44] <popey> chrishaum: so you actually use the windows driver, but it depends on the chipset in the card, and without knowing the card...?
[07:44] <Imical> Dethread: got sudo dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[07:44] <DonL> Thanks a bunch, folks. I don't really know what I'd do without you. I seem to be back to normal again.
[07:44] <chrishaum> i am totally confused
[07:44] <Imical> Dethread: err ones ec wrong paste
[07:44] <IIIEars> chrishaum - sounds bad works really well.
[07:44] <popey> DonL: \o/
[07:44] <nedwasp> popey, you know a good way to remotely host an address book for ldap access without setting up my own ldap servre/
[07:44] <nedwasp> server?
[07:44] <popey> chrishaum: give me the model number of the card
[07:44] <DonL> Sleep time. Night
[07:44] <Dethread> Imical, what?
[07:44] <chrishaum> ok
[07:44] <chrishaum> hold a sec its across house
[07:44] <popey> nedwasp: you could use apache with DAV?
[07:45] <Imical> Dethread:  did what you said and got back 'cannot access archive: no such file or directory' did I type something wrong?
[07:45] <fossa> #windows is dead silent.
[07:45] <nedwasp> popey, interesting
[07:45] <popey> (that was a question, I'm not sure, I know a mate uses it (DAV) for calendar)
[07:45] <Dethread> Imical, are you in the directory where that deb package is located at?
[07:45] <j2dope> popey: ... i just rebooted, but ubuntu didn't pick up any new software (my usb wifi card).. any suggestions?
[07:45] <QMario> What will happen to my computer if I uninstall the ubunut-desktop package.
[07:45] <Dethread> Imical, otherwise you have to cd there or supply the full path
[07:45] <QMario> ?
[07:45] <nickrud> QMario nothing
[07:46] <IIIEars> fossa - the virus writers must be on holiday nothing to talk about in #windows
[07:46] <Imical> Dethread: oh no, sorry one sec
[07:46] <fossa> even the winxp help files say to create the part then format as fat32 but i SWEAR fat32 is not an option in the dropdown box.
[07:46] <popey> IIIEars: they're probably too busy drooling over tabbed browsing support in IE..
[07:46] <syntaxman> IIIEars: didn't you hear? windows is secure!! <smirk>
[07:46] <nalioth> QMario: it will be diffecult to upgrade to breezy
[07:46] <popey> fossa: what size partition?
[07:46] <mebaran151> fossa, what do you need fat32 for
[07:46] <Dethread> nothing wrong with drooling over tabbed browsing... :)
[07:46] <nickrud> QMario except, if you get your broken packages fixed, having ubuntu-desktop will make upgrading to breezy a breeze :)
[07:47] <mebaran151> maybe vfat perhaps
[07:47] <mebaran151> or one of those

[07:47] <popey> mebaran151: sharing files between win and lin, he's creating the part in win
[07:47] <fossa> mebaran: to xfer files from linux to windows
[07:47] <popey> golly, is that the time
[07:47] <nedwasp> popey, i have no idea to be honest
[07:47] <popey> well, get dressed first eh?
[07:47] <QMario> Is breezy out yet? At least the stable release of it?
[07:47] <chrishaum> ok i'm back
[07:47] <popey> ditto
[07:47] <Davey> QMario: no
[07:47] <chrishaum> netgear
[07:47] <nalioth> fossa: vfat or fat (if using window2k or xp, it only does fat32)
[07:47] <chrishaum> wg111
[07:48] <imaek> Anyone here know about Winmodems?
[07:48] <nalioth> QMario: no. not for a few months
[07:48] <chrishaum> 54 Mbps wireless USB 2.0
[07:48] <Imical>  Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed. dpkg: error processing opera (--install):  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured   Errors were encountered while processing: opera
[07:48] <Dethread> Imical, if installing manually, you also have to install dependencies manually
[07:48] <maruko`> hey after booting into my newly compiled 2.6.11 kernel.. my keyboard wont work. it's a ps2 keyboard
[07:49] <Dethread> Imical, considered using firefox as a browser, instead of opera?
[07:49] <Imical>  Dethread: ended up with 'Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed. dpkg: error processing opera (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: opera'
[07:49] <nickrud> I know enough about winmodems that when I will always have a serial modem
[07:49] <Dethread> yeah, I saw that
[07:49] <fossa> AH. fat32 volumes are limited in size.
[07:49] <popey> chrishaum: looks like that card may be supported by the prism54.org site...
[07:49] <imaek> I have a Internal capable v.92 Fax modem (winmodem), and I've installed the suggested driver (although it was an RPM, I alien'ed it) and it created a /dev/modem but when I pon (I've already pppconfig'd), it says unrecognized option: /dev/modem
[07:49] <nalioth> fossa: yes a 4gb limit, i believe
[07:49] <popey> fossa: yes, hence me asking what size part :)
[07:49] <popey> nah, I have a 6GB one here
[07:49] <syntaxman> maruko`: check the connectors (obvious, but check 'em before you sink a lot of time)
[07:49] <chrishaum> ok...
[07:49] <fossa> it lets me do a 10
[07:50] <fossa> i'd love to do a 40GB
[07:50] <chrishaum> so what do i do...
[07:50] <popey> fossa: create 4 10s?
[07:50] <nalioth> popey: what version of windoze did that? or was it made under linux?
[07:50] <fossa> In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB.
[07:50] <popey> chrishaum: click link, read text, digest
[07:50] <popey> nalioth: win2k iirc
[07:50] <maruko`> syntaxman : the cables is not problem. i'm using the same keyboard now
[07:50] <IIIEars> fossa - LBA large block addressing enabled?
[07:50] <fossa> bam!
[07:50] <chrishaum> digesting....
[07:50] <popey> fossa: best not to make monster ones, you lose lots of space in slack
[07:50] <fossa> yes IIIEars
[07:50] <nalioth> popey: thats funny, a friend of mine runnin xp tried, but couldnt make over 4gb
[07:51] <nickrud> imaek I don't know much about winmodems, but if it's working I would think that minicom would be a good test
[07:51] <IIIEars> ufossa - hm
[07:51] <fossa> i have amazingly huge tarballs of data to xfer
[07:51] <nalioth> popey: it pissed him off, cuz he couldnt download a whole dvd image
[07:51] <popey> fossa: to make a part that big it uses massive cluster sizes.., you're better off with 4x10GB parts
[07:51] <popey> heh
[07:51] <Dethread> that just sounds wrong... "I have amazingly huge tarballs"
[07:51] <imaek> nickrud: Minicom?  It is working; it works in windows.
[07:51] <popey> Dethread: "nice tarballs, did you make them yourself?"
[07:51] <Dethread> hehe
[07:52] <Dethread> they're fossa's :)
[07:52] <chrishaum> ok that's a wireless CARD
[07:52] <paringas> my lcd dies in the arse when x starts... pretty sure the default resolution etc. is fine. plus i can't restart anything with alt-ctrl-backspace or switch to any consoles. could anyone help, please
[07:52] <nickrud> imaek that does not mean that it works in linux. I've just stuck my head up to far, probably.
[07:52] <chrishaum> i have a usb plug-in thing
[07:52] <nedwasp> i can't get transparency working and i've got transet, xcompmgr installed and enbaled.  anyone?  popey?
[07:52] <popey> heh
[07:52] <popey> i know nothing
[07:52] <nickrud> minicom is a good test of a modem connection,tho
[07:52] <chrishaum> wg111 not wg511
[07:52] <imaek> nickrud:  It can't work?  I was under the impression that all modems will work with the right patch.
[07:52] <nalioth> imaek: not true
[07:52] <popey> sorry chrishaum
[07:53] <imaek> :|
[07:53] <nickrud> imaek no. Not all winmodems have linux drivers
[07:53] <popey> imaek: some modems are winmodems.. evil things
[07:53] <goo> Hello. I just bought a Dell Inspiron 6000 for my wife, and since she hates windows I installed Ubuntu on it as well. And it does of course work like a charm.  I haven't gotten around to the BIOS-poking yet, nice hint.
[07:55] <popey> chrishaum: seen http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about36648.html ?
[07:55] <QMario> Bye everyone and thank you for all you help. :-D :) :) :)
[07:55] <popey> chrishaum: mentions "ndiswrapper" which I *think* is the wrapper around windows drivers for linux
[07:56] <nalioth> goo: so where do iBooks fit in?
[07:56] <popey> chrishaum: http://www.linux-wlan.org/ also
[07:56] <fossa> thanks for the help! and also thanks who-ever told me to turn off my onboard sound in the bios. that did the trick.
[07:56] <popey> goo: alienware for the men, Macs for the girls
[07:56] <goo> popey: what Dell-top does your wife have?
[07:57] <popey> goo, an old celeron based "thing"
[07:57] <LiberalTugboat> any check out the new version of Point2Play yet?
[07:57] <nalioth> popey: say what?
[07:57] <popey> dimension
[07:57] <imaek> nalioth: The hardware list for modems is far from complete.
[07:57] <goo> popey: ah, ok - older machines always works better, imho :(
[07:57] <popey> nalioth: did I say something?
[07:57] <nalioth> imaek: yes hardware modems are desirable
[07:57] <popey> goo yeah
[07:57] <chrishaum> yah i give up
[07:57] <chrishaum> i just don't care that much
[07:57] <popey> heh
[07:57] <popey> give up on wireless or linux?
[07:58] <chrishaum> linux is all good
[07:58] <goo> But while the Dell is in suspend it has a slowly blinking powerLED, just like the Mac's ;)
[07:58] <chrishaum> just wireless
[07:58] <nickrud> desireable, he says :)
[07:58] <Eighth> goo: i don't suppose you know an arkadien, do you?
[07:58] <chrishaum> i love open source et all
[07:59] <goo> Eighth: I have no idea even what an arkadien _is_, man
[07:59] <Eighth> goo: k.. i know someone that goes by "goo" and thought you might be him
[07:59] <nalioth> nickrud: why put filthy winduhs inspired laziness off on a linux kernel?
[08:00] <nickrud> imaek I would try googling your chipset and debian, there are probably maillist threads that might apply
[08:00] <imaek> How can I get the chipset?
[08:00] <nickrud> nalioth I bought a zoom for obvious reasons
[08:00] <goo> Eighth: ah, ok. I just go by goo because the nick 'oo' was taken.
[08:00] <Eighth> i see :)
[08:00] <Eighth> he actually goes by goopile
[08:01] <nickrud> imaek you'll probably need to start by looking up the manufacturer of your modem, and go from there
[08:01] <imaek> erm
[08:01] <nalioth> nickrud: is that those cool orange ones?
[08:01] <imaek> nickrud the only place I've found any information on it at all is on the dell site, which says ""Internal capable v.92 Fax modem"
[08:01] <nickrud> dell
[08:01] <imaek> OKay
[08:02] <nickrud> nalioth no, just an obscenely expensive modem at the time, but it was a serial
[08:03] <LiberalTugboat> the new point to play is really nice
[08:03] <nickrud> imaek I'm not sure how to track down what your modem chipset is, I've never had the need.
[08:03] <ukato> could i bother anyone with a question?
[08:04] <goo> " I tried suspend to RAM. When the system wakes up, it seems that it can't find the hard drive !" - aha, that's what happens... damn SATA.
[08:04] <nalioth> nickrud: ok
[08:04] <popey> imaek: under windows if you ahve the drivers installed, you could open hyperterminal and fire AT commands at it to find out what it is.. there's some standard ones it *should* respond to giving manufacturer, chipset, capabilities etc..
[08:04] <popey> oooo nickrud is proper-old
[08:05] <nickrud> hey, I had a hayes :)
[08:05] <imaek> popey: I found a different computer with the same modem that has a tutorial thing.
[08:05] <imaek> it might work.
[08:05] <popey> acoustic coupler?
[08:05] <imaek> It's worth a try.
[08:05] <nickrud> lol
[08:05] <nickrud> no
[08:05] <zenrox> 56k external serial
[08:05] <zenrox> 3com
[08:05] <TokenBad> can someone help me mount a drive in ubuntu?
[08:05] <zenrox> best modem i owned
[08:05] <LiberalTugboat> Point2Play 2.0 works great on hoary... it was even able to detect all my hardware
[08:06] <nickrud> but I could read what came in as it came in :)
[08:06] <popey> hehe
[08:07] <imaek> I spent all of last night trying to get this modem working, and since 8PM tonight (it's 11pm now)
[08:07] <TokenBad> please anyone?
[08:07] <nickrud> TokenBad ask for what you need
[08:07] <popey> TokenBad: the command is "mount", what kind of disk do you want to mount?
[08:07] <imaek> TokenBad: mount --help
[08:07] <TokenBad> its fat32 I think
[08:07] <TokenBad> and I did the mount --help
[08:07] <TokenBad> but didn't make since to me
[08:07] <popey> TokenBad: is it a usbkey, internal disk.. what?
[08:08] <TokenBad> internal
[08:08] <popey> IDE?
[08:08] <TokenBad> yes
[08:08] <popey> which port is it plugged into?
[08:08] <popey> primary master, primary slave, secondary master or secondary slave?
[08:08] <TokenBad> ok its secondary slave I think..
[08:08] <popey> and how many other disks do you have in there?
[08:08] <TokenBad> just my main hard drive
[08:09] <popey> ok, so it will likely be known as /dev/hdb
[08:09] <TokenBad> and my dvd-rw
[08:09] <popey> what do you want to mount, a partition on a hard disk?
[08:09] <ukato> is the default run level for a text based login 3?
[08:09] <popey> ukato: 2 iirc
[08:09] <nickrud> ukato there is no default text login
[08:09] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is amazing just completely changed desktop managers in a few mouse clicks.
[08:10] <ukato> oh, ok
[08:10] <TokenBad> a hard disk
[08:10] <ukato> would it be a lot of work to set one up
[08:10] <nickrud> ukato after you get the graphical login screen, you can press ctl-alt-f1 and get a text console
[08:10] <ukato> ok
[08:11] <nickrud> ukato why do you need one?
[08:11] <TokenBad> popey its a hard disk
[08:11] <ukato> oh, no good reason
[08:11] <popey> TokenBad: use "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" to see a list of partitions on a disk
[08:11] <popey> TokenBad: /dev/hda is first disk, then hdb, hdc, hdd
[08:11] <nickrud> ukato that's actually a good reason :)
[08:11] <ukato> i'm curious and testing different things i'm reading about
[08:11] <TokenBad> it only has 1 partition
[08:11] <ukato> it's just for educational purposes =D
[08:12] <nalioth> IIIEars: how did you do that?
[08:12] <TokenBad> I have a 6 gig drive for my os..and a 80 gig drive for my data
[08:12] <ukato> plus it looks cool to boot into a console
[08:12] <popey> TokenBad: in which case you can make a directory in your home "mkdir ~/somedir" then mout the disk with "mount /dev/hda1 ./somedir" or something like that
[08:12] <Cristobal> hi
[08:12] <Cristobal> anyone found a way to run office 2003 on linux
[08:12] <nickrud> ukato then, sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[08:12] <ukato> nickrud, so there's not a way to do it easily?
[08:12] <popey> Good morning/evening/night Cristobal
[08:12] <ukato> ok
[08:13] <TokenBad> but how can I see what drives it detects so can mount right drive?
[08:13] <nickrud> that wil stop going directly to X
[08:13] <popey> Cristobal: have you tried crossover-office?
[08:13] <IIIEars> ukato - peice 'a cake - bring up synaptic and select search pick the (important) ubuntu-version-desktop you like.
[08:13] <Cristobal> yes i have but they only support office xp
[08:13] <popey> TokenBad: I already told you that!  "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
[08:13] <IIIEars> ukato search "Desktop"
[08:13] <nickrud> to get gnome from the console, as yourself, do echo "exec gnome-session" > .xsession
[08:13] <TokenBad> I thought that only showed partitions on my main drive
[08:14] <nickrud> to get gnome from the console, as yourself, do echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xsession
[08:14] <nickrud> correction
[08:14] <Twitch> I was wondering if someone could lend me a hand setting up my video card
[08:14] <popey> TokenBad: you can use that for any drive.. hence me saying "hda, hdb, hdc hdd"
[08:14] <popey> Twitch: what card make and model?
[08:14] <nickrud> then, from the console, you can do startx and get to gnome at need
[08:14] <xero> man i gotta get Cedega
[08:14] <popey> Cristobal: well there's your answer then
[08:14] <Twitch> popey: I'm going from my onboard to a voodoo 2
[08:14] <ukato> IIIears, i searched
[08:14] <TokenBad> when did that command you said..it gives me can't open hda
[08:14] <popey> Twitch: did ubuntu detect it okay?
[08:15] <IIIEars> ukato - erm - i might of asked... - it is a large download for KDE 110 megabytes
[08:15] <Twitch> popey: lspci already lists it as being there but when i connect the monitor to it nothing shows
[08:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: i'm a dummy at some things, how do you switch DMs w/o loggin out?
[08:15] <popey> TokenBad: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" that?
[08:15] <nalioth> TokenBad: are you root?
[08:15] <LiberalTugboat> xero, i just installed the new version of point2play...
[08:15] <IIIEars> nalioth - i always log out. - there must be an easier way.
[08:16] <xero> liberaltugboat: does that support Counterstrike: source?
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> works perfect and is much improved
[08:16] <nickrud> IIIEars nalioth you can always use new login under system tools, it'll giv you a new x session
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> well cedega does
[08:16] <popey> cedega is a neat bit of kit
[08:16] <Twitch> popey: any ideas?
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> Point2Play is the graphical front end to cedega
[08:16] <TokenBad> hey found my disk
[08:16] <TokenBad> its hdd1
[08:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: you were the one that mentioned a 'few mouse clicks'
[08:16] <TokenBad> so how mount it?
[08:16] <xero> is it free?
[08:17] <popey> aarghhh!
[08:17] <popey> TokenBad: read what i said
[08:17] <IIIEars> nickrud thanks - KDE is an eyeopener. - some ways better and brighter. gnome seems more refined.
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> P2P alows you to manage all your games profiles and even lets you have multiple versions of cedega installed
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> well neither p2p or cedega are free
[08:17] <xero> do you have a link to it?
[08:17] <nalioth> nickrud: i only have "log out" under system tools
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> www.transgaming.com
[08:17] <xero> oh, heh, the same page
[08:17] <cajun> how do i use alien to install the JRE?
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[08:18] <xero> thanks man
[08:18] <nickrud> nalioth applications->system tools?
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> i pay my 5 bucks a month
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> its worth it
[08:18] <popey> cajun: http://ubuntuguide.org/ tells you how to install JRE
[08:18] <xero> can i pay with paypal?
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> get to voted on what games they work on
[08:18] <nickrud> IIIEars I use kde now and then, just so I know why I don't ;)
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> hmm... I havent tryied but I think you can
[08:18] <nalioth> nickrud: ah, THOSE system tools
[08:18] <IIIEars> Is Ubuntu really free? (beginning to feel guilty.)
[08:18] <nalioth> IIIEars: you can pay me
[08:19] <Twitch> popey: should i just change the drivers from the onboard to the voodoo2 card?
[08:19] <popey> IIIEars: yes! \o/ \o/
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> Ubuntu is freeer then free
[08:19] <TokenBad> thanks so much popey
[08:19] <xero> liberaltugboat what should i get, cedega or p2p?
[08:19] <popey> no probs TokenBad
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> well p2p is just a front end to cedega
[08:19] <popey> Xenguy: p2p requires cedega doesn't it?
[08:19] <xero> oh i see
[08:20] <nickrud> nalioth why, you expected me to confuse gnome-system-tools ;P
[08:20] <xero> it supports steam and counter strike, thats all i need to know
[08:20] <IIIEars> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me.
[08:22] <xero> damn no paypal option
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> hehe I got quake 2 running next to my x-chat window :)
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> who says there are no games for linux?
[08:22] <xero> lol
[08:22] <nalioth> nickrud: i know nothing at all about gnome, before ubuntu, i used kde alla time
[08:22] <xero> damnit i need Cedega so bad.. it just frustrates me
[08:23] <xero> im not goin back to Windows
[08:23] <popey> heh
[08:23] <Twitch> would anyone know how to set up a voodoo 2
[08:24] <nickrud> nalioth I started with gnome, it was my first 'desktop', combined with enlightenment
[08:24] <nickrud> 1.0.56
[08:24] <nickrud> suse 6.3
[08:24] <nickrud> I'll never forget :)
[08:24] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Doom 3, Unreal Tournament-2k3,2k4, Quake 3, MOHAA, Americas Army, - (FPS passion)
[08:24] <TokenBad> thanks everyone
[08:25] <IIIEars> <<-less than 2 months using linux - (shrug) it isn't too difficult.
[08:25] <aapelii> xero: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and ask them, Im sure there is some way they will take your money... ;)
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> IIIEars, there enough games for linux to keep me busy :)
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> i need to reinstall ut 2k4
[08:26] <Dethread> nethack has kept me busy for years :(
[08:26] <kimo> is DR17 available in any form in ubu ?
[08:26] <KarlosII> heh mee too LiberalTugboat
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> but I have been busy playing City of Heroes with cedega/p2p
[08:26] <aapelii> anyone know any good strategy games for linux?
[08:26] <Dethread> aapelii, civnet :)
[08:26] <aapelii> Is it based on civ the original?
[08:27] <Dethread> aapelii, I think it's pretty equivalent to civ2
[08:27] <aapelii> Dethread: ok, is the ai any good?
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> hehe quake 2 runs pretty good on my 6600 gt
[08:27] <aapelii> Dethread: or is it net only?
[08:27] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - yet to try Cedega. (crosses fingers) If it works with Scrabble my wife will switch to linux.
[08:27] <Dethread> aapelii, sorry...I messed up, it's called freeciv, not civnet
[08:28] <Twitch> could someone help me set up my voodoo 2 please, i cant get the monitor to display from it
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> IIIEars, you mean you havent found a scrabble clone for linux yet?
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> i bet there is one
[08:28] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Careful or you GLXGears will begin to smoke. - wide grin
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:29] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - yes XScrabble 2.1 is okay - my wife really likes just that one dos vers.
[08:29] <nalioth> LiberalTugboat: IIIEars there are several scrabbls iirc
[08:29] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:30] <Madpilot> LiberalTugboat: there's even a Scrabble version in Ubuntu's repos. Just check Synaptic!
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> Quake 2 never ran this good on the windows machine I played it on
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> therefor linux is better for games?
[08:31] <IIIEars> Scrabble uses english words but have you played a maven? - it's humbling. -
[08:31] <LiberalTugboat> *cough*windows machine was a 233 p1mmx with 32 mb ram and no video card*cough*
[08:31] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - I know brighter and faster GL is much better in linux.
[08:32] <artgeek> Good evening all
[08:32] <LiberalTugboat> http://www.nexuiz.com/ is a pretty fun online FPS based on q1 engine but with WAY better graphics
[08:33] <artgeek> I need a little help with Apache
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> check out the sceenies
[08:33] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - going to check that out. - just curious how fast is a q1 demo? - rofl
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> how do you run it?
[08:35] <artgeek> I'm trying to figure out how to get it to show pages that I've writen in my home folder.  I have checked the Unoffical start guide ... but i'm a little mystifed.
[08:35] <Twitch> right now I'm trying to set up my voodoo 2 Ubuntu has recognized it, but yet whenever I plug the monitor into the card it doesn't display on the screen
[08:35] <artgeek> <- is first time really doing anything *nix based
[08:35] <KarlosII> LiberalTugboat, no backport for that yet though
[08:35] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - timedemo map demo1.dem?
[08:36] <nalioth> artgeek: have you tried file:///home/yourusername/file_to_be_seen.html   ??
[08:36] <artgeek> Hm... lemme try that.
[08:36] <LiberalTugboat> doesnt work
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> KarlosII, you dont need a back port... there is nothing to install
[08:37] <KarlosII> :
[08:37] <KarlosII> o_O
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> just unzip the game and turn the gxl file into an exacutable then double click
[08:37] <KarlosII> O-O
[08:37] <KarlosII> -----
[08:37] <Twitch> look
[08:38] <IIIEars> /etc/X11 - heh - works in gnome too.
[08:38] <IIIEars> "file:/etc/X11"
[08:39] <KarlosII> gxl or glx
[08:40] <artgeek> ::bows:: thaks.  I feel kinda silly asking for such a simple thing.  Thank you for your patience.
[08:41] <LiberalTugboat> glx file
[08:41] <LiberalTugboat> there is one for 32bit and one for 64 bit
[08:41] <IIIEars> "Hacking" localhost. - grin
[08:42] <IIIEars> artgeek - no apologies. "Pay it Forward" - linux communuty  windows has "users"
[08:44] <nalioth> artgeek: the only "dumb" question is the one you don't ask
[08:44] <KarlosII> LiberalTugboat, seems laggy for me
[08:45] <LiberalTugboat> it does take some graphics adjustment
[08:45] <LiberalTugboat> the lighting is super intensive on hardware
[08:45] <artgeek> Thanks guys.  Last time I was on an IRC (as in a couple of years ago) it wasn't nearly as helpful
[08:45] <KarlosII> hmm
[08:47] <nalioth> artgeek: #ubuntu (and the ones who live there) has been accused on several occasions of "friendliness"
[08:48] <artgeek> What a welcome change!  ::streaches arms::  I think I am gonna like this place
[08:49] <artgeek> nalioth: This my be an odd question ... but is there a way to work the gamma of the screen?  It feels a little dark
[08:49] <IIIEars> nalioth - Ubuntu's Introduction was different. The Mission Statement has some very powerful ideas.
[08:49] <nalioth> artgeek: are there not controls your monitor?
[08:50] <nalioth> artgeek: i have no clue how to adjust in software
[08:50] <imaek> FATAL: Error inserting Intel537 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/Intel537.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:50] <imaek> Any idea why this would be?
[08:50] <artgeek> I've played with those ... and ... well maybe it's the site i'm looking at.
[08:50] <artgeek> they have dark grey text on black
[08:50] <kimo> imaek, wrong hardware/module!
[08:50] <imaek> :|
[08:50] <imaek> Oh
[08:50] <imaek> That's alright
[08:51] <imaek> Heh.  I am helping out a friend and I am actually installing the modem drivers on this computer; I don't have the same modem is why I got that error.
[08:52] <kimo> anyone uses LEAP wireless authentication
[08:52] <nalioth> artgeek: some webdevs have no sense of art
[08:52] <artgeek> nalioth: well I guess I was wondering if they had any of those gamma adjustment tools like they do for the Mac and Win for the pre press photoshop and stuff
[08:52] <nalioth> artgeek: not sure
[08:53] <jf6> Hi i Have a problem with my sound
[08:53] <jf6> i hear nothing :s
[08:53] <artgeek> ::nods:: well with time there may be a Penguine Art, Linux for artists
[08:53] <jf6> I hav kill my Esd
[08:53] <jf6> but i dont know how to
[08:54] <IIIEars> http://www.bitpoetry.com/programs/gnome-color-calibrator/ - haven't tried this artgeek
[08:56] <artgeek> Thanks for the tip IIIEars
[08:56] <IIIEars> NP :)
[08:57] <IIIEars> jf6 - ps -e in terminal will give you process #s        kill #
[08:57] <jf6> ???
[08:57] <jf6> what i do?
[08:57] <jf6> (sorry i m french)
[08:57] <IIIEars> jf6 - or killall process name
[08:57] <jf6> killall esd?
[08:57] <jf6> i hav do
[08:58] <nalioth> IIIEars: he wants to know how to restart his sound daemon
[08:58] <IIIEars> your english is better than my Francais - no apologies needed.
[08:58] <artgeek> quickie ... if I want to quickly check what X server I'm running ... how do I do that?
[08:58] <IIIEars> :x - sorry i missed the question.
[08:59] <jf6> IIIears thx
[08:59] <nalioth> artgeek: what version of ubuntu are you running? (iow, i dont know the fancy command to tell you)
[08:59] <IIIEars> artgeek - i am really new so there may be an easier way. ps -e
[08:59] <artgeek> Um should be 5.04 hoary
[09:00] <nalioth> artgeek: then xorg is your answer
[09:00] <artgeek> Okay ... I thought I saw it in the install but wanted to check
[09:01] <IIIEars> If a graphical application locks up there is a stop the app by pointing add on to the taskbar. just right click on the taskbar select "Add" and choose it.
[09:01] <syntaxman> There is a script in /etc/udev/ called /win 2
[09:01] <syntaxman> wups
[09:01] <syntaxman> please ignore :)
[09:02] <LiberalTugboat> hehe playing quake 2 makes me really want quake 4
[09:02] <nalioth> syntaxman: did you say something? ;)
[09:03] <IIIEars> snipping some nice images for the taskbar. you can make your taskbar look like a lake, forest, mountains anything. Grey is boring.
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> hope to god the port quake 4 to linux (shouldnt be hard since it uses the doom3 engine
[09:03] <jansen> bob2 wanna help
[09:03] <nalioth> IIIEars: have you slipped a cog? wtf are you on about?
[09:04] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Me too - guess we will get Q4 before "Duke Nukem Forever" - lol
[09:04] <nickrud> IIIEars if you get a good taskbar image, I'll take it. grey is boring
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> nickrud, go to gnomelook.org and get a new theme
[09:05] <jansen> i'm using the hoary, kernel is 2.6.10-5-686,how can i use the bootsplash? my VideoCard is the Ati 9000 mobile
[09:05] <IIIEars> Made an easy spoof of windows took a grassy knoll pic and pasted in a lawn gnome cresting the hill.
[09:05] <nickrud> LiberalTugboat they are all boring.
[09:05] <IIIEars> ugnomelook is GREAT!
[09:06] <artgeek> Do any of you have much experience with the GIMP?
[09:06] <nickrud> LiberalTugboat IIIEars claims to have taste :)
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> hmm... you looked at every one of them...
[09:06] <nickrud> lol, I've looked at most
[09:06] <jf6> So no one have an answer for me
[09:06] <IIIEars> nickrud - true not inspired.
[09:06] <artgeek> Nothing screams taste like lawn gnomes
[09:06] <jf6> ?
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> I have both my systems with differnt themes
[09:06] <xero> which ones work for ubuntu? GTK 1.x GTK 2.x or Metacity?
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> gtk 2
[09:07] <artgeek> jf6: I'd like to help ... I just installed my Ubuntu 2 days ago
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> and metacity
[09:07] <nickrud> xero both gtk2 and metacity
[09:07] <hondje> anyone here use deborphan much?
[09:07] <Choubaka> xero: that was a weird question :/
[09:07] <Choubaka> GTK1.x works too, of course.
[09:07] <xero> heh, im a noob
[09:07] <Choubaka> but most apps are gtk 2.x nowadays
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> we can tell :)
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> j/k
[09:07] <nickrud> amule is
[09:07] <nickrud> gtk1
[09:08] <jf6> artgeek ok :) me 1 month
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but you cant change the gtk 1 theme
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> or atleast I havent found out how
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> metacity is the window manager... like the window borders and such
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> so for a full theme you need both a gtk2 theme and a metacity theme
[09:09] <IIIEars> Metacity - hm - googling.
[09:10] <hondje> Is there a way to get apt to remove config files for pkgs that are no longer installed?
[09:10] <IIIEars> Just installed KDE and didn't see an option to customise it.
[09:10] <hondje> once you pass that --purge point
[09:10] <nalioth> hondje: --clean or something
[09:10] <nalioth> hondje: it's past your bedtime
[09:10] <hondje> yeah, and getting to work time :(
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> anyone know how to change the gtk 1 theme?
[09:10] <hondje> clean just clears out /var/cache/apt/archive
[09:11] <nalioth> hondje: really? its 2am where i am
[09:11] <nickrud> hondje the best method I've found, is run aptitude, and use the command l ~c
[09:11] <nalioth> hondje: apt-get --help doesn't?
[09:11] <nickrud> that will show you all the configured but not installed packages
[09:11] <hondje> nalioth: night shift evilness
[09:11] <nickrud> you can then delete them
[09:11] <hondje> nickrud: I'll give that a try
[09:11] <Ng> dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii
[09:12] <Ng> is quite handy for seeing packages that are in a state other than installed
[09:12] <kimo> try synaptic
[09:12] <artgeek> ::waves::  Time to sleep.  Take care all
[09:12] <IIIEars> Good Night artgeek
[09:12] <nickrud> hondje synaptic can do it also, using the filters thingo.
[09:12] <hondje> Ng: That shows them, but doesn't clean them
[09:13] <Ng> hondje: indeed, you already mentioned purging, that should do
[09:13] <hondje> nickrud: This is over ssh to a headless box
[09:13] <nalioth> hondje: then the aptitude thing
[09:13] <nickrud> aptitude, console, better, I would guess
[09:14] <hatred> evening all
[09:14] <IIIEars> #Ubuntu is friendly none of the 733t H8x0r nonsense. - grin
[09:14] <hatred> it seems i've broken my nvidia kernel, the x server module and nvidia kernel are for some reason different versions
[09:14] <hondje> Ng: Sorry, I wasn't too clear...this is for pkgs that are already removed, apt complains about that
[09:14] <hatred> and it's preventing me from starting X
[09:15] <hatred> anyone had any ideas on how i can fix up this driver issue?
[09:15] <Ng> hondje: have you tried "dpkg -P packagename"?
[09:15] <hondje> I was using "apt-get remove --purge -s `deborphan -a --find-config --libdevel | awk '{print $2}'`", but someone else did a bunch of stupid stuff while I was gone
[09:15] <imaek> Ubuntu doesn't like me ;_;
[09:15] <hondje> Ng: No, thanks!!
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> anyone here using gdesklets?
[09:15] <IIIEars> hatred - without reinstalling the nVidia driver? - dunno
[09:15] <nickrud> heh, I don't do awk, I do it by hand :)
[09:16] <hatred> IIears well i don't know how to reinstall the nvidia kernel
[09:16] <hondje> nickrud: I only use awk for a few things, picking a column is one of them :)  I hate using cut
[09:16] <hatred> i need to install 1.0.7174
[09:16] <hatred> but i can't seem to get it from apt-get :\
[09:16] <hatred> IIIEars *
[09:16] <IIIEars> hatred - give me a sec - looking for the wiki page nvidiadriverhowto.
[09:17] <hatred> i've seen it :\
[09:17] <hatred> wasnt any help
[09:17] <hondje> nickrud: you and me both
[09:17] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:17] <hondje> hatred: I install nvidia drivers way too much, what part was giving you errors/problems?
[09:18] <nalioth> hatred: this will fix you up till you can figger out the nvidia driver
[09:18] <hatred> hondje: trying to download the nividia-kernel-1.0.7174
[09:18] <hatred> nvidia*
[09:18] <IIIEars> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver - hatred this is a start but, there is a more detailed page included in the wiki. hang on.
[09:19] <hondje> hatred: apt-cache search nvidia
[09:19] <k4rp0r> iwe just installed nvidia drivers. Forks well :D
[09:19] <hatred> i cant view these website
[09:19] <hatred> i;m in console :\
[09:19] <Ng> use lynx or links
[09:19] <hondje> if it shows nvidia-glx, then your repos are fine, just apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[09:19] <nalioth> hatred: program called elinks
[09:19] <Ng> console browsers :)
[09:19] <k4rp0r> goto ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <k4rp0r> gives u good info about nvidia
[09:20] <hatred> ok
[09:20] <hatred> hondje i did that command
[09:20] <hondje> hatred: what did it show you?
[09:20] <hatred> came up with a whole lot of jargan...
[09:20] <hatred> 1 or 2 pages of jargan
[09:21] <hondje> hatred: that's good...so sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, and edit xorg.conf
[09:21] <IIIEars> hatred - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/ this is it. :)
[09:21] <hatred> i
[09:21] <hatred> can't
[09:21] <hatred> see them
[09:22] <hatred> i have no console browsers
[09:22] <hatred> i cna't page up
[09:22] <hondje> hatred: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx | sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:22] <nalioth> hatred: apt-get some
[09:22] <IIIEars> hatred - links? lynx?
[09:22] <hondje> just copy and paste that, hit enter
[09:22] <IIIEars> elinks?
[09:22] <hatred> Hondjem apt-get install nvidia_glx nvidia-settings
[09:22] <hatred> its what got me into this trouble in the first place..
[09:23] <hondje> hatred: did you do 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[09:23] <hatred> i don't think so ?
[09:23] <hatred> they're different versions regardless
[09:23] <hondje> try that
[09:23] <nalioth> hatred apt-get lynx links elinks and go view that fixvideo thing i posted above
[09:23] <hondje> what are different versions?
[09:24] <hatred> hondje
[09:24] <nalioth> hatred: then do the vesa thing (to get you back in X) while you figger the driver out
[09:24] <hatred> doing that says "bad command"
[09:24] <hatred> ] etc. etc.
[09:24] <IIIEars> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me. - interesting tweaks
[09:24] <hatred> nalioth
[09:25] <hatred> i;ve said it a couple times now
[09:25] <hatred> i cna't page uo
[09:25] <hatred> up
[09:25] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:25] <hatred> i can only see a max of 8 lines on the screen
[09:25] <hatred> and i can't page up to see what was said
[09:25] <hatred> this is most stressful
[09:25] <kestas> hondje: you shouldnt pipe the output of one to the other
[09:25] <hondje> kestas: yeah, that was dumb, meant &&
[09:25] <hatred> nalioth i odn't have time to copy that link
[09:25] <kestas> hondje: itll attempt to open nvidia-glx-config before its installed
[09:25] <kestas> yeah
[09:25] <kestas> thought so
[09:25] <benjamin123> hello everyone i need help..... i installed a sata hd, and then installed ubuntu from an external sony dvd drive.....
[09:25] <nalioth> hatred: get out of whatever you are using, and start 'irssi'
[09:25] <hatred> I AM IN IRSSI!!!!!
[09:25] <hatred> god damnit
[09:26] <hatred> i've said this shit over and over
[09:26] <benjamin123> now i got a new plextor drive and the sony is gone, but the plextor is internal
[09:26] <nalioth> 8 lines?
[09:26] <hatred> is no one listening to a word i'm saying?
[09:26] <hatred> yes!
[09:26] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:26] <hatred> 8 lines onlt, nothing more nothing less
[09:26] <benjamin123> when i try to install ubuntu it has problems getting files from the cdrom so it says
[09:26] <konra`> is there any sort of source-package management system out there?
[09:26] <hondje> konra`: apt-get source
[09:27] <nalioth> konra`: just apt
[09:27] <rem_> .
[09:27] <konra`> how do you use apt?
[09:27] <benjamin123> i now have the cdrom on the primary ide controller, set as master
[09:27] <kestas> konra`: dont bother unless you have good reason
[09:27] <benjamin123> the serial ata hd has no jumpers
[09:27] <oxeia> you can use like: sudo apt-get install
[09:27] <hatred> nalioth
[09:27] <konra`> I thought that was only for .deb packages
[09:27] <nalioth> konra`: better to use the frontend "synaptic"
[09:27] <hatred> your website doesn't exsist
[09:28] <benjamin123> you think this could create conflicts, do i need to set the internal dvd to slave, or move it to a secondary ide port?
[09:28] <hatred> now
[09:28] <hondje> apt-get build-dep pkg, apt-get source -b pkg
[09:28] <hatred> can some please just tell me
[09:28] <nalioth> hatred: i just pulled it up
[09:28] <benjamin123> ANYBODY HELP!!1
[09:28] <hatred> how on earth i install the nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 !?!?!?!?
[09:28] <nalioth> hatred: did you get my /msg?
[09:28] <konra`> no
[09:28] <konra`> oh
[09:28] <konra`> wait
[09:28] <konra`> haha
[09:28] <kestas> benjamin123: youre not being very clear
[09:28] <hatred> nalioth: i've tried the site numerous times
[09:28] <hatred> i can't type it out
[09:28] <hatred> and have it be the same
[09:28] <hatred> i'm not capable of it
[09:28] <hatred> im an invalid
[09:28] <konra`> nalioth: isn't apt just for .deb packages?
[09:28] <hatred> >:|
[09:29] <kestas> hatred: try installing it from synaptic
[09:29] <IIIEars> hatred - you should have the " links " web browser.
[09:29] <konra`> lynx
[09:29] <oxeia> apt is not just .deb
[09:29] <hondje> konra`: apt can build .debs from source, man dpkg
[09:29] <hatred> kestas as i said, i'm in console
[09:29] <hatred> i have no gui
[09:29] <kestas> hatred: okay then apt-get
[09:29] <hatred> omfg
[09:29] <hatred> you idiot
[09:29] <oxeia> for .deb try dpkg -i "name_package"
[09:29] <kestas> apt-get nvidia-kernel
[09:29] <hatred> that's what i've been saying for th past 20 minuts
[09:29] <hatred> THAT DOESN'T WORK
[09:29] <hatred> that''s the first thing i tried
[09:29] <kestas> why not?
[09:29] <kestas> what happens?
[09:29] <hatred> that's the first thing i said and i've said it 9 ti ms inow
[09:29] <hatred> i can't apt-get the kernel
[09:29] <oxeia> try apt-get install nvidia-kernel
[09:29] <hatred> i want someone to help me do that
[09:30] <hatred> not jsut tell me to do what i'm trying to do already
[09:30] <hatred> and act like they know everything
[09:30] <hatred> god damnit
[09:30] <kestas> hatred: what happens when you type "apt-get install nvidia-kernel"?
[09:30] <hondje> nvidia-kernel-common
[09:30] <kestas> hatred: I wasnt here earlier
[09:30] <hatred> it says it has no installation candidate
[09:31] <benjamin123> kestas: when i try to install ubuntu, either from the dvd disc or regular cd install, it has problems getting past the first stage of the installation..... cant read files from cdrom, could this be a driver issue, my drive being so new (plextor 740a)
[09:31] <hondje> hatred: try nvidia-kernel-common
[09:31] <nalioth> hatred: i just sent you the revelent stuff from that page
[09:31] <kestas> hatred: "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common" sorry
[09:31] <IIIEars> hatred - will sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work? try VESA mode
[09:31] <nalioth> benjamin123: did you burn or recieve in the mail the disk?
[09:31] <oxeia> I've gone. By everybody
[09:31] <kestas> IIIEars: you mean the nv driver
[09:31] <debs> how can i make my serial mouse work, i'm using the hoary version of ubuntu.
[09:31] <benjamin123> burn
[09:32] <kestas> IIIEars: if he uses the nv driver he can use nvidia cards without 3d accel
[09:32] <hondje> debs: installer didnt' see it?
[09:32] <benjamin123> it worked before, the same disc, installing from an external dvd usb2
[09:32] <hatred> it says it's already the latest version kestas
[09:32] <IIIEars> It should be worth a try - nalioth you did it again.
[09:32] <kestas> hatred: so youve already installed it
[09:32] <debs> i'm using a generic serial mouse, there is no installer.
[09:32] <kestas> hatred: now you just need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:32] <hatred> i performed " apt-get install nvidia-glx "
[09:32] <hatred> and then everything fucked up
[09:32] <Imsdle> I just setup a new computer using 5.04 and the modem lights is now a usless little phone
[09:33] <hondje> debs: know how to edit xorg.conf?
[09:33] <kestas> hatred: what fucked up?"
[09:33] <nalioth> i did nothing
[09:33] <hatred> the versions
[09:33] <Imsdle> how do i get the old onees back
[09:33] <hatred> as i've said 6 times now
[09:33] <hatred> the versions are different
[09:33] <hatred> the x server
[09:33] <hatred> and the nvidia
[09:33] <kestas> hatred: so what happens when you try to start X?
[09:33] <hatred> nvidia kernel*
[09:33] <hatred> it tells me it can't start coz the drivers are different versions
[09:33] <hatred> the x module or some bollocks
[09:33] <hatred> and the nvidia kernel
[09:34] <kestas> hatred: any chance of getting a pastebin of /var/log/X.org.log.old?
[09:34] <hatred> how would i do that?
[09:34] <kestas> hatred: upload it to another computer or something I suppose, then paste it from there.
[09:34] <IIIEars> IMsdle - right click on the taskbar >> Add to Panel >> anything look like what you had?
[09:35] <hatred> i odn't have a x.org
[09:35] <debs> no, but i read it from alot from other forum, when i open the xorg.conf( using sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf), there is no text at all.
[09:35] <hatred> XFree86.0.log
[09:35] <hatred> i have that
[09:35] <kestas> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:35] <hatred> no x.org
[09:35] <kestas> yeah that one then
[09:35] <nalioth> goodnight
[09:35] <kestas> hmm XFree86 :/
[09:35] <hondje> debs: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...that X is capitalized
[09:35] <kestas> you running Warty?
[09:35] <hatred> nfi
[09:36] <kestas> hmm thats odd
[09:36] <hatred> exactly
[09:36] <hondje> debs: Go down to "InputDevice", then option "Device" and put in "/dev/ttyS0"
[09:36] <Imsdle> the icon is the same on the old version but it doesn't show a phone when you execute it, its a button with stats
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: could you try "apt-get install xorg"
[09:36] <debs> is it casesensitive? i'll be back, i'll try it.
[09:36] <hatred> why would i try that kestas?
[09:36] <hondje> debs: Yep, everything in linux is case sesative
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: could you try "apt-get install xorg-common" rather
[09:36] <hatred> WHY?
[09:36] <hatred> im not using xorg
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: well youre running XFree86, which I thought was decaprecated
[09:37] <hondje> debs: btw, it's ttySZERO, not ttyS OH in ttyS0
[09:37] <hatred> decaprecated??????
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: and so if the driver wont work with XFree maybe it needs xorg
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: that would make sense to me
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: yeah something like that "deprecated"
[09:37] <hatred> it's just they're different versions
[09:37] <hatred> !!!!
[09:37] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hatred
[09:37] <kestas> "decarprecated"
[09:37] <hatred> it's not they don't work togeather
[09:37] <hatred> iut's justnt eh fact
[09:37] <hatred> they're different versions
[09:37] <hatred> thats it
[09:37] <hatred> not some conflicting madness
[09:37] <IIIEars> !display
[09:37] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[09:37] <hatred> they're just...different...versions
[09:37] <hatred> OK!?!?
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: what is? nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common?
[09:38] <hatred> the x module and the nvidia kernel i guess
[09:38] <IIIEars> ubotu Amnesia is "what you have..."
[09:38] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[09:38] <kestas> yeah well that could well be because nvidia-kernel is for xorg, and you have xfree86
[09:38] <nickrud> !amnesia
[09:38] <kestas> hatred: hence installing xorg will probably help
[09:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, nickrud
[09:38] <Imsdle> the old you could just name a pon setting
[09:38] <IIIEars> !Amnesia
[09:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, IIIEars
[09:38] <Amaranth> IIIEars: the database crashed again, please stop screwing with it
[09:39] <Imsdle> this one you setup the settings in the dialer.. not as much flexiblity
[09:39] <IIIEars> Hi! - Was there a backup? (kneels to pray...)
[09:39] <hatred> couldnt find package
[09:39] <Amaranth> IIIEars: not my bot
[09:39] <nickrud> and that seemed like a useful thing
[09:39] <hatred> xorg-common
[09:39] <kestas> hatred: yeup go for it
[09:40] <nickrud> IIIEars maybe that
[09:40] <kestas> hatred: and then "apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[09:40] <nickrud> means it should be yours ...
[09:40] <debs> hodje: should i reboot after that?
[09:40] <hondje> debs: No, just restart X w/ ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:41] <hatred> kestas
[09:41] <hatred> once again
[09:41] <benjamin123> kestas, i have my sata hd plugged in to the sata port on the motherboard, and the internal dvd drive on the primary ide controller, set as master... is this ok?
[09:41] <hatred> you haven't lsitened to a word i've said
[09:41] <IIIEars> I wish ubotu had a trusted user group.
[09:41] <hatred> i just told you
[09:41] <hatred> that it CANT find that package
[09:41] <kestas> which package?  We REALLY want to help.
[09:43] <kestas> I wonder why he had xfree installed
[09:43] <jaysin> what should i download to be able to view .avi files?
[09:43] <hondje> I commend all of your patience
[09:44] <hondje> seriously, it never ceases to amaze me
[09:44] <IIIEars> This isn't your father's #Debian IRC channel. - lol
[09:44] <hondje> hehe
[09:45] <jaysin> lol
[09:45] <nickrud> so, my question
[09:45] <nickrud> can someone tell me how to backport the breezy hplip package to hoary?
[09:45] <nickrud> please?
[09:46] <hondje> I read the backports how-to, when flaming jdong in another forum
[09:46] <hondje> basically, just add the breezy repo and apt-get -t breezy build-dep on the pkg (s/breezy/whatever the repo is) until you're close, then apt-get source -b pkg
[09:47] <nickrud> hpoj takes nearly all my cycles, hplip does not. It's almost enough to drive me back to unstable
[09:47] <IIIEars> A truely guilty feeling settles in for being a newb and unable to help nickrud.
[09:47] <hondje> then voila, magic .deb
[09:47] <nickrud> IIIEars you have no guilt. I'm just trolling
[09:47] <nickrud> or hoping
[09:48] <sobersabre> hi guys. opeoffice2 has a security update. when will it make into official ubuntu packages ?
[09:48] <nickrud> hondje looking back
[09:48] <nern> hey he yhey
[09:49] <hondje> nickrud: that's also a fun/easy way to use debian repos without breaking everything
[09:49] <IIIEars> Can this be tweaked?   One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:49] <hondje> just use judicious amounts of pinning with /etc/apt/preferences if you're that nuts
[09:49] <IIIEars> nickrud - see above
[09:50] <sobersabre> anybody .. . .an idea   ?
[09:50] <hondje> IIIEars: don't forget hoary-security
[09:50] <nickrud> hondje thanks for the pointer, now, do you have the link you read while flaming :)
[09:50] <hondje> nickrud: I might, I bookmark tons
[09:51] <hondje> nickrud: I have THE bookmark for that, too
[09:51] <nickrud> hondje gimmie. I wasted much effort at one time, and only got out of it cuz I cribbed
[09:52] <nickrud> cribbing is legal in real life :)
[09:54] <nickrud> sobersabre probably not until breezy at best, I don't think ooffice2 is official
[09:54] <IIIEars> hondje - apt-pinning? - May i have the link too?   please...... :)
[09:55] <nickrud> now, if someone wants to talk about magic and debs, pinning is it
[09:56] <hondje> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[09:56] <IIIEars> RPMs are well erm. trying to think of something nice to say.
[09:56] <IIIEars> Nice link - THANK YOU! :)
[09:57] <nickrud> hondje thanks
[09:57] <hondje> what that how-to ignores is that you can pin to urls, too
[09:57] <hondje> so if you want to pin a pkg to marillat becase you're nuts, pin to ftp.nerim.net
[09:57] <nickrud> pin repositories, pin package-versions, pin on, ... magic
[09:58] <hondje> http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html  <---the better one
[09:58] <hondje> between those two, it somehow actually works :)
[09:59] <hondje> nickrud: oh, just thinking here, two more things about quasi-backporting
[09:59] <nickrud> hah, two at a time, true magic :)
[09:59] <nickrud> hondje I'm listening
[10:00] <hondje> one is if you can't get rid of some of the deps, but don't care a whole lot, just apt-get source pkg, cd to to the directory, and edit the 'control' file