[00:00] <arraybolt3> jay321: Did this archive come with any instructions?
[00:01] <arraybolt3> If I were to take a wild guess, I would *think* you probably just flash the "sd.img" file to the SD card with Etcher, then plug it in and run it.
[00:01] <arraybolt3> But without instructions, I can't tell for sure.
[00:07] <jay321> arraybolt3: https://forum.digilent.com/topic/24473-nexys-a7-bootstrapping-linux-guide/
[00:08] <jay321> arraybolt3: yeah i plugged it in and the board lit up like a christmas tree and then bootstrapping services and such
[00:09] <jay321> its at the root password for maintenance, oh wait there is a prompt now
[00:10] <jay321> the sofabitch is alive
[00:23] <jay321> is xchat better than this webchat?
[00:42] <jay321> is this any good? http://limechat.net/mac/
[00:43] <jay321> how do you list all the network devices?
[00:43] <jay321> ip addr list?
[02:02] <skydoge> having noob problem here I have enable UFW and open my port but its still closed when I disable UFW I can connect any idea?
[02:38] <romanparish> skydoge
[02:38] <romanparish> you still here?
[02:52] <squarecircle> Is there a reason, why my imported zpool does not show up?
[02:53] <skydoge> yes
[02:53] <skydoge> I tried firewalld get same result dont understand
[02:53] <skydoge> work fine on centos but not ubuntu
[02:54] <skydoge> centos had to remove selinux policies but looks there no selinux on ubuntu
[03:35] <esv> skydoge, you could try disabling apparmor:  aa-teardown
[03:35] <esv> but ...
[03:36] <skydoge> but what lol what does apparmor does
[03:36] <skydoge> I thought maybe i need to go via iptables directly
[03:37] <esv> first of all, I don't quite understand the problem, so apologies for offering solutions w/o fully understand it.
[03:37] <skydoge> hahaha
[03:37] <esv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor
[03:42] <esv> if you are trying to connect to a non-standard port and traffic to the port is enabled on ufw or ufw is disabled, the application still needs to be up & running for the port be open.
[03:43] <esv> you can list the open ports via the ss command: ss -tlnp for TCP connections & ss -ulnp for UDP.
[03:43] <jay321> hi
[03:43] <jay321> its still up for gods sake
[03:47] <jay321> otherwise you'll be on mars w/out comms, that's gonna hurt
[03:52] <hardy> skydoge: did you tried csf (ConfigServer Security Firewall)? I'm running KVM VPS with Ubuntu + csf and works perfect, VPS purchased at https://www.hn.cl - You should try installing it.
[03:59] <skydoge> esv, hardy thanks guys going to check that out
[04:33] <skydoge> esv, thanks for that command I think my partners changed the port without tell me
[06:49] <zhengzhimin> help
[06:50]  * alkisg provides some help to zhengzhimin
[09:25] <Guest40> hey, is there a way to enable the hwe edge stack for x? I already enabled the one for the kernel, but that doesn't add the x stuff
[09:31] <alkisg> Guest40, it doesn't exist anymore, as new xorg releases aren't frequent
[09:32] <Guest40> why is it then mentioned on the ubuntu website
[09:33] <Guest40> specifically here https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle
[09:34] <Guest40> so does that mean, I will also not get any newer amdgpu drivers?
[09:35] <alkisg> Guest40: where is it mentioned, in the current releases or are you talking about 18.04?
[09:35] <Guest40> well the site says, that there is an updated x stack
[09:36] <Guest40> the newest is 20.04, but I thought it's not updated as 22.04 is quite "new"
[09:38] <alkisg> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS — Focal Fossa Desktop: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[09:38] <alkisg> That's what it says for 20.04. It only mentions xorg for previous releases, such as 18.04
[09:39] <alkisg> AFAIK most drivers are part of the kernel, btw, not xorg
[09:39] <Guest40> so what is mesa then? or was that never updated in the lts releases?
[09:40] <alkisg> mesa isn't xorg
[09:42] <Maik> HWE for 22.04 might be added in February
[09:42] <alkisg> For the kernel, not xorg
[09:42] <Maik> ah, ok
[09:44] <Guest4041> alkisg yeah I know that, but I did think it got updated the same as xorg.
[09:44] <Guest4041> sorry got disconnected
[09:51] <alkisg> Guest4041: I think the only packages that were regularly updated with newer releases (not security things) were firefox, the kernel, and (xorg only for <= 18.04)
[09:51] <Guest4041> ahh damn, I guess I have to find a stable mesa ppa then
[09:52] <alkisg> I think that's the most stable ppa: https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[09:52] <Guest40> ahh damn, I guess I have to find a stable mesa ppa then
[09:52] <Guest40> ugh, something is going on with my internet
[10:14] <EriC^^> <
[12:46] <hays> i have tried to install firefox and it apparently tried to install a snap, and the installation failed with a timeout waiting for snapd to restart.. now apt is in a confused state where it can't remove or install firefox
[12:49] <cartdrige> What error message does apt writes out?
[12:52] <hays> well i guess ill start with the current message
[12:52] <hays> error: too early for operation, device not yet seeded or device model not acknowledged
[12:53] <hays> that's when i try to reinstall firefox, per instructions when i try to remove
[12:57] <cartdrige> tried: sudo snap remove firefox ?
[12:57] <cartdrige> then: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[12:58] <cartdrige> maybe someone who knows snaps better will help. cause i never got that error message.
[12:59] <hays> i purged snapd and reinstalled...  now i think im back to it hanging on install
[12:59] <hays> ==> Installing the firefox snap
[12:59] <hays> 2022-12-11T13:59:15+01:00 INFO Waiting for automatic snapd restart...
[13:01] <ravage> Did you try a simple restart?
[13:02] <ravage> Maybe it will help with getting snapd unstuck
[13:02] <cartdrige> in another terminal try: sudo systemctl restart snapd
[13:04] <ravage> Or a full reboot of the system. Try both :)
[13:04] <hays> restarting snapd seems to have no effect
[13:04] <hays> although top shows it taking 17% cpu
[13:05] <hays>    6819 root      20   0 1464920  42944  18956 S  12.0   0.5   0:14.74 snapd
[13:05] <hays>    6131 root      20   0 1607180  22072  13028 S   9.1   0.3   0:35.42 snap
[13:06] <hays> ravage: in the middle of an update?
[13:07] <cartdrige> look with dmesg maybe if you see a weird message.
[13:09] <cartdrige> there is maybe something blocking up snapd...but i don't know what it could be.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <romanparish> howdy
[13:19] <respawn> romanparish: welcome this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here
[13:20] <respawn> romanparish:for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic right click join
[13:21] <bluesceada> murmel, no not edge kernel linux-image-5.19.0-24-generic
[13:21] <bluesceada> but you need jammy-proposed sources of course
[13:21] <Stalevar> I have tried Ubuntu ( 22.04.1 + updates ) for the first time. Well, it is kinda not very good. First of all, system settings GUI apps frozen in .1, however it seems updates fixed it (not sure). Then, when I have tried to connect to wi-fi network, guess what, the wi-fi config window blocked the entire desktop so I was unable to switch terminal to do cat my-wi-fi-password.txt
[13:22] <Stalevar> The second thing is a major design flaw
[13:22] <Stalevar> Why selecting wi-fi network freezes the entire desktop session until you click cancel or select a network?
[13:25] <Stalevar> Also who moved windows control buttons to the right? I have used Ubuntu 10.10 last time and they were on the left
[13:29] <izuhira81> salut
[13:37] <hays> is there a way i can just reset apt and uninstall firefox
[13:40] <fn31ln3> is there an ubuntu hardening guide?
[13:40] <fn31ln3> sorry
[13:40] <fn31ln3> I mean, is there an ubuntu hardening guide that the community recommends?
[13:49] <crax23> hays, try to reboot, and do an apt autoclean or something like that.
[13:57] <manwhowouldbekin> Hi all! I have a software called Seafile, which is getting an SSL Handshake error and provides something along the lines of this bug in the logs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1016085 My system is Ubuntu 22.04. Any idea on how I can fix this? I installed the Seafile via these instructions: https://help.seafile.com/syncing_client/install_linux_client/
[13:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1016085 in libqt5network5 "libqt5network5: depends on libssl3 but loads (wrong) file provided by libssl-dev instead" [Serious, Open]
[13:59] <bluesceada> Stalevar, I think 22.04 is not a worthy "LTS" release yet, at least the "stable" part. In my personal opinion, go with 20.04 for a while if you want a stable system and come back to 22.04 until most bugs have been wiped out. Just one thing: except on Mac OS, the control buttons are usually on the right (even on windows that are inside most websites)
[13:59] <bluesceada> in 22.04 many new technologies were forced which are not fully stable yet, mainly snap packages and Wayland as X-server replacement
[14:00] <bluesceada> hays, what do you mean exactly? Since at least 22.04 firefox is not available in apt packages anymore and the existing apt packages will actually trigger an installation of the firefox snap package
[14:02] <Stalevar> bluesceada, Slackware 15.0 is better, more stable and as new as 22.04 since it's released recently
[14:02] <Stalevar> Also yeah, snap sucks. Also why not AppImage/
[14:03] <bluesceada> Stalevar, does it use Wayland and Snap packages? If not, it's not really using newer technology
[14:03] <Stalevar> It has wayland disabled by default, afair
[14:03] <Stalevar> and snap is not needed
[14:03] <Stalevar> but I guess you can install it if you wanted
[14:03] <bluesceada> there are different arguments between snaps / flatpak / appimage
[14:04] <bluesceada> I think Snap is the most secure one, trying to properly containerize the apps, however also the most difficult one to apply to pre-existing applications that are not designed for that
[14:04] <bluesceada> Stalevar, "Not needed" depends on you
[14:05] <Stalevar> how about using good ole deb or even better txz?
[14:05] <bluesceada> I think it can add an extra layer of security, so for a webbrowser like firefox it makes sense from a concept point of view
[14:06] <Stalevar> Why not to run it from chroot or firejail or whatever?
[14:06] <bluesceada> Stalevar, that is not enough
[14:06] <bluesceada> That "Whatever" is what snap is trying to do. But of course that is not easy to do, if the application was not designed for it.
[14:07] <bluesceada> But personally I had a lot of issues with Snap too, so I don't like that they are forced into an "LTS" release, they are not yet ready for that in my opinion
[14:11] <hays> bluesceada: what i mean is that the firefox install has failed in a way that its neither installed or uninstalled, and I want to uninstall it so I can use apt again
[14:11] <hays> apt remove tells me to reinstall.. and apt reinstall hangs
[14:12] <webchat83> how do i update snap store?
[14:13] <hays> is there a browser that is not a freaking snap?
[14:13] <Jeremy31> chrome
[14:13] <bluesceada> hays, probably it makes sense to have them as snaps, as of what I just explained, it makes sense especially on web browsers to do it
[14:14] <hays> bluesceada: im not sure you are hearing me.
[14:14] <hays> The snap installation has hung, and apt can neigther remove nor reinstall firefox
[14:14] <hays> so im left with borked package management until I remove firefox
[14:15] <hays> every time I try to use apt, it attempts to reinstall fireefox and hangs
[14:15] <Jeremy31> hayes, in terminal try>  sudo snap remove firefox
[14:16] <hays> thanks i will try that
[14:16] <bluesceada> hays, are you running 22.04 ?
[14:16] <hays> yes
[14:16] <bluesceada> ok didn't get that, then you have to troubleshoot the snap and ignore apt, right
[14:17] <bluesceada> what kernel do you run?
[14:17] <bluesceada> (just asking since I recently encountered issues with 6.0 and snaps due to kernel bugs related to squashfs)
[14:17] <hays> kernel 5.10
[14:18] <bluesceada> did snap remove and install solve it?
[14:18] <hays> so I don't know how, but somehow this issue resolved itself
[14:18] <hays> suddenly I was able to remove it
[14:18] <hays> then I removed the snap
[14:18] <hays> so i don't know
[14:18] <bluesceada> yeah ... that seems to what happens with snaps ..... xD
[14:18] <hays> there aren't any logs. I don't know what happened
[14:19] <hays> really they are an abomination
[14:19] <bluesceada> snap seems to have some occassional hiccups with setting up the snap mounts etc.
[14:19] <hays> ive had nothing but trouble with them.
[14:19] <bluesceada> they are just still under development and not ready for prime time yet, in my opinion
[14:19] <hays> ubuntu is reaching too far with a lot of things and releasing overly complex, half-baked solutions.  sigh
[14:19] <bluesceada> they try to enforce security models similar to what you might know from Android apks ... there it works properly
[14:20] <hays> yeah i understand what they are aiming for
[14:20] <bluesceada> But I agree, with 22.04 they reached too far, I think the same
[14:20] <bluesceada> so many issues related to Wayland and Snaps
[14:21] <hays> ubuntu-core is a spaghetti mess too imho
[14:21] <leftyfb> hays: please stay on topic (support)
[14:21] <hays> (for embedded devices)
[14:22] <leftyfb> hays: feel free to continue your rants in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:23] <hays> sorry about that--im having a bad day and ubuntu is just a part of it
[14:24] <bluesceada> hays, so everything solved now?
[14:24] <hays> bluesceada: heh. the ubuntu issue seems to be resolved. although I might go find another way to get a browser
[14:24] <hays> thank you
[14:34] <BluesKaj> the mozilla team has a non-snap ppa
[14:37] <BluesKaj> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
[15:22] <khadas> hello
[16:05] <bluesceada> Anyone with libinput experience here? Tapping is too sensitive, so I changed AttrPressureRange=18:10 in local-overrides.quirks... however now also two-finger scrolling is not sensitive enough
[16:06] <bluesceada> Can this be divided somehow? And why would the two-finger scrolling ( = not "tapping" but "moving") be changed from these Attributes?
[16:06] <jay321> used to be xset on X11
[16:06] <jay321> you know, set speeds and such
[16:08] <bluesceada> I know how it was in X11
[16:08] <bluesceada> But thanks
[16:08] <jay321> how is it?
[16:08] <bluesceada> Somehow I also do this because of another issue
[16:08] <bluesceada> I have some bounce which is not a bounce
[16:09] <jay321> bad news, try external mouse?
[16:09] <bluesceada> I seem to accidentally hit my touchpad when using the left physical button. So either I disable tab to click entirely or at least I want to try reduce its sensitivity
[16:09] <bluesceada> External mouse can be used in some situations, but not always
[16:10] <bluesceada> I like the thinkpad trackpoint, but sometimes I also use the touchpad, I like to keep it flexible that way
[16:10] <jay321> im thinking getting some process logging going, you know, 'sudo strace -p <pid> | less'  or smthg?
[16:10] <bluesceada> I think with X11 the mouse button debouncing is cross-device but not with libinput ... that would be another possible solution over increasing the tap-sensitivity
[16:11] <bluesceada> jay321, what are you talking about?
[16:11] <jay321> bluesceada: what is the process?
[16:11] <jay321> pid?
[16:11] <bluesceada> process of doing what
[16:12] <bluesceada> What are you trying to do?
[16:12] <bluesceada> A pid is a process id
[16:12] <jay321> bluesceada: the ubuntu mouse track pad process id, can you know it? ok im really bad at ubunut but that's my guess!
[16:13] <bluesceada> The problem is finding the right parameters for libinput or I might even need to do a feature request to them.
[16:15] <jay321> what libinput
[16:16] <jay321> locate libinput no pkg
[16:16] <tomreyn> jay321: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/ - and you really shold not try to help if you don't know what is being asked about. event hough it's kind of you.
[16:17] <tomreyn> *even though
[16:17] <jay321> thanks!
[16:17] <tomreyn> bluesceada: you probably reviewed this documentation already?
[16:18] <bluesceada> jay321, thanks anyway ;-)
[16:19] <bluesceada> tomreyn, yes I did, that is how I found out to change the sensitivity using the overrides
[16:19] <bluesceada> But maybe I overlooked something...
[16:20] <tomreyn> i would not know, have not checked it myself. but i guess the best place to get help with detailed libinput configurations or patching is not this channel
[16:21] <tomreyn> the wayland-devel at lists.freedesktop.org list may be a good place.
[16:21] <bluesceada> tomreyn, yep I guess so too, just wanted to try
[16:22] <bluesceada> thanks
[16:24] <Stalevar> bluesceada, AppImage bad side is that it's only seem to be made for x86_64, not say for aarch64
[16:27] <bluesceada> Stalevar, I guess that would depend on the one packaging it, no?
[16:28] <Stalevar> there is a central repo
[16:28] <Stalevar> anyway does snap or flatpak provide aarch64 packages?
[16:29] <Stalevar> that's armv8
[16:30] <tomreyn> snap does arm64
[16:30] <tomreyn> +armhf
[16:47] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Those snaps aren't the same as the i86 ones though, are they?
[17:02] <tomreyn> jhutchins: that would make little sense then, would it?
[17:06] <sem> I'm getting the boot warning "blacklist: Problem blacklisting hash (-13)" which appears to be ignorable based on internet searches. Is the only way to hide it at boot time by setting loglevel = 3, or is there a more specific way?
[17:06] <sem> i am on 22.10 ubuntu studio, but I don't think it is flavor-specific
[17:17] <jhutchins> tomreyn: It depends on how you interpret the "universal" feature of snaps.
[17:18] <jhutchins> If you're going to have packages customized for the environment, that's .deb packages.
[17:38] <tomreyn> jhutchins: go here https://snapcraft.io/supertuxkart and click on the version drop-down, notice there is "show architecture"?
[17:39] <tomreyn> software can be architecture dependant, i don't think snap can circumvent that
[17:52] <bluesceada> for some reason the "Night Light" always gets reset after just a few seconds
[17:53] <bluesceada> I have installed in parallel kde plasma and think that might mess with it because I use some kde apps ... .could that be the case?
[17:55] <bluesceada> for example, they all run in parallel for some reason, not sure what they do: /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal /. usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome .. /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk .. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-kde
[18:06] <murmel> alkisg: eh, wouldn't really recommend a -git ppa to some random person. I guess kisak would be the better choice (stable releases)
[18:10] <bluesceada> Anyone knows what else could be messing with Night Light?
[18:12] <bluesceada> I am setting the night light on the automatic mode and it tints it red (it is that time of the day...), and a few seconds later something else seems to adjust it back. I then disable/enable it and it is again there for just a few seconds
[18:14] <bluesceada> seems all such issues started with 22.04 .... before I had 20.04 ... no significant other changes
[18:14] <murmel> bluesceada: are you sure, that the upgrade went well?
[18:14] <bluesceada> nothing seems to go well with 22.04 ....
[18:15] <bluesceada> However, on my notebook it works with 22.04, there it is a fresh install. There are other problems ...
[18:15] <bluesceada> but the night light is only a problem on my desktop system that was upgraded from 20.04, I also don't have any serious problems on my desktop, just the night light is annoying
[18:17] <murmel> bluesceada: at least with your desktop, it really sounds like something went wrong with your upgrade
[18:17] <bluesceada> murmel, why?
[18:17] <bluesceada> Just because of the night light? I guess that multiple daemons are running that are messing with the color profile or something like that
[18:18] <murmel> eh, seems like I was under the impression that you had multiple issues with your desktop, sorry if I misremember
[18:18] <bluesceada> It can be expected from running applications from various environments that might bring some background services (Gnome / KDE)
[18:19] <murmel> definitely. and it's not really recommended to have multiple DEs
[18:19] <bluesceada> murmel, ok I never said so clearly, that was on my notebook and seems to be related to kernel 6.0
[18:19] <murmel> as they can mess with each other
[18:19] <bluesceada> murmel, but I just want them installed, that was never an issue in the past
[18:20] <murmel> sure, but DEs change over time, and as most people don't test stuff while having 2 or more DEs installed...
[18:20] <bluesceada> I just run tools from different DEs
[18:20] <bluesceada> and they pull in half of the DE ..
[18:20] <murmel> ahh
[18:21] <bluesceada> On the desktop I also had the full KDE installed, at least the plasma-desktop package is gone, but not sure what other stuff is still there
[18:21] <bluesceada> It is just a guess that this is messing with night light
[18:22] <murmel> bluesceada: I guess so, as my night light works perfectly fine
[18:24] <bluesceada> can you check if you have xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed please?
[18:25] <murmel> not installed
[18:25] <bluesceada> thanks
[18:25] <bluesceada> I remember I also had to uninstall it on the notebook
[18:26] <bluesceada> it might be needed for Qt snaps ...
[18:26] <murmel> bluesceada: I do have Qt snaps installed
[18:26] <murmel> so I assume you don't
[18:26] <bluesceada> no i might have ... I am confused now where this package comes from
[18:27] <murmel> bluesceada: do you have aptitude installed?
[18:27] <bluesceada> on the desktop yes, but it was also on the notebook
[18:28] <murmel> bluesceada: does aptitude why <package> give you any hint?
[18:28] <bluesceada> now it is too late, I could just remove it
[18:29] <murmel> or that
[18:29] <bluesceada> sorry I found it in history.log of apt ...
[18:30] <bluesceada> plasma-discover-backend-snap was still there
[18:30] <murmel> ahh
[18:33] <bluesceada> ok I guess nowadays all becomes much more single-user systems anyway, the days are over where everybody could (and would) use their favorite DE on a shared computer
[18:35] <murmel> I mean most systems are single DE since, eh, can't remember. Even during my uni days. they can still be multi user though. but yes, desktops getting more used by a single person than multiple
[18:41] <cartdrige> People who are living togethers like couple and famillies have their own session on the family computers or tablets, but it's more likely windows or mac most of the time. Or Android.
[18:41] <cartdrige> Though they most likely have their personnal ones nowdays, since the devices are quite cheap etc. laptops etc right.
[18:41] <murmel> really depends on the country
[19:23] <jhutchins> murmel: How so?
[19:23] <bluesceada> cartdrige, yeah I actually had a past girlfriend use a different DE than me and sometimes used my PC ... but that ended with her using a notebook she attached to my screen and mouse/kb instead
[19:25] <murmel> jhutchins: how so what?
[19:26] <bluesceada> but relatively recently I also had someone use my PC for gaming due to its performance, that was Windows however....
[19:28] <bluesceada> In a professional context we however also get into the situation of multi-user, but there most people don't care much, and the default is xfce there... quite some years down the road until we would get into the issues I see here.
[19:28] <murmel> xfce as default desktop. interesting choice :)
[19:30] <arraybolt3> murmel: Hey, I like XFCE! :P
[19:30] <bluesceada> yeah but people are free to choose others, and there are remote-login server, and there is some software that needs X / a gui, so some years down the road we might get into issues
[19:30] <arraybolt3> At any rate, it *is* possible to install multiple DEs on the same system - it can sometimes go wrong, but I know people who do it with good success. When you have multiple DEs installed, you can log into whichever one you want.
[19:30] <murmel> arraybolt3: I'm not saying xfce is a bad choice
[19:31] <arraybolt3> And if you have multiple users, one assumes that they could log into whichever DE they wanted to on their own user account.
[19:32] <bluesceada> arraybolt3, I did it for years, but nowadays there seem to be things that can conflict each other
[19:32] <murmel> oh definitely. But I quite liked the one "system" of an uni I saw, where you had a basic OS for choosing which OS/DE you want. and then remoted into that. (options were win7/win10/linux+gnome/linux+kde)
[19:38] <arraybolt3> murmel: Oh that sounds cool. Probably had each of them running in a VM?
[19:42] <murmel> arraybolt3: yes
[20:04] <izuhira81> salut
[20:04] <compdoc> chow
[20:56] <Elliria> Hey there, is this a good place to ask about an issue with Ask Ubuntu or is therre a dedicated channel for that?
[20:57] <jay321> what is the question?
[20:57] <croraf> Hi guys. I cannot control screen brightness after recent update of some nvidia packages.
[20:57] <croraf> Nor from the keyboard, nor does the bar on the top right corner appear
[20:57] <Elliria> I can't log in. Here are the steps I followed to try and I've tried them several times with the same result: https://bpa.st/XDSQ
[20:58] <Elliria> I should have added, in step 5, that I do manage to successfully log in to Launchpad. I'm currently logged in on that.
[20:58] <Elliria> But Ask Ubuntu won't recognize me as being logged in.
[21:00] <jay321> Elliria: the ubuntu question is posted, it is yours or?
[21:01] <Elliria> No, I don't know either of those people, but I found the answer helpful, so I wanted to up-vote it.
[21:01] <Elliria> I fixed my steps and did a new paste: https://bpa.st/3DKQ
[21:01] <jay321> croraf: do you think you can roll back the update to verify it isn't something else?
[21:02] <croraf> It is the update. It worked 10m ago, before the update jay321
[21:02] <jay321> croraf: ok i dont know, sorry
[21:03] <jay321> i had only suggested looking at some logs
[21:03] <croraf> Thanx. I found this, but a bit afraid to try https://www.debugpoint.com/2-ways-fix-laptop-brightness-problem-ubuntu-linux/  The file mentioned in X11 does not exist
[21:05] <jay321> yeah if you modify the linux command line, usually it ignores stuff it does not recognize
[21:05] <jay321> ...but if it kernel panics then you have to roll back the change on grub
[21:20] <croraf89> Can anyone suggest what to do with https://pastebin.com/wPZU7bsk
[21:43] <bluesceada> croraf89, hm seems odd, maybe try creating /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/piper/
[21:44] <croraf89> bluesceada and if I somehow uninstall and reinstall this piper?
[22:02] <bluesceada> croraf89, it might be that the piper directory is not created correctly, probably it will also not be removed correctly .. but there could also be other issues, like the permissions in that subdir, not sure what things you have done before in your system
[22:03] <bluesceada> but for me it installs fine
[22:37] <forgotmynick> what are the consequences of removing unattended-upgrades other than not having automatic updates (security etc)
[22:42] <jay321> forgotmynick: if you have a vm at least you can run the before and after
[22:49] <croraf58> OK. What is this https://pastebin.com/J2k2jLvS ?? Why it doesnt want to upgrade?
[22:53] <oerheks> why not pasting the command used..
[22:54] <oerheks> run full-upgrade to instaal those held back packages?
[22:54] <oerheks> that needs a reboot
[22:54] <Bashing-om> croraf58: ^ the info: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html .
[22:55] <oerheks> i don;t think those are phased..
[22:56] <croraf58> I used sudo apt-get install <list of packages kept back>
[22:56] <croraf58> It went sucessfull
[22:56] <croraf58> I go restart to see if it fixed my backlight issue
[22:56] <croraf58> (dont reply until I reconnect :D  )
[22:57] <Piraty> eh, i get a few 401 from esm.ubuntu.com during release upgrade . https://ttm.sh/0vh.txt
[23:02] <Piraty> l
[23:06] <croraf> My screen backlight is still unmanageable. Not sure what to do. I tried:
[23:06] <croraf> 1. Add in grub acpi_backlight=vendor    or   acpi_backlight=native
[23:06] <croraf> 2. sudo apt install brightness-controller
[23:08] <croraf> I do have that nommconf in grub line
[23:12] <paul__> hello I used sshfs mounted it onto a guest account and now I cannot remove it from the guest account
[23:13] <paul__> is there a way to remove it?
[23:15] <paul__> be right back
[23:16] <paul_> hi back
[23:16] <paul_> same question about how to unmount a file system on a guest account
[23:27] <croraf> jay321 I found out what was the issue. After these security nvidia updates, nvidia propriatery drivers didnt boot, but instea nouveau got used
[23:27] <croraf> I now switched back to Nvidia propriatery drivers, and now I do have backlight adjustment
[23:28] <croraf> It doesnt work properly though :D
[23:28] <croraf> But I think I can reduce to minimal.


[01:26] <lickalott>  gents, having an issue I can't seem to solve....   I have some NFS shares that are accessed by 3 different machines on my network.  It's worked in the past with 770 permissions (all three machines can access fine.  Same username and password, different UID's obviously).  I had to reload the OS on a windows box (one of the 3 machines) and now I have to have the permissions @ 777 to access the folders.   I'm wondering what changed an
[01:26] <lickalott> d how do I get it back?
[02:51] <Patrickdk> lickalott, there is a lot of questions there
[02:51] <Patrickdk> are you using nfs3 or nfs4
[02:51] <Patrickdk> what are these guests? you said something about windows?
[02:51] <Patrickdk> nfs3 depends on the uid for permissions
[02:52] <lickalott> i want to say nfs4.  whatever the latest nfs-kernel-server is for 14.04.
[02:52] <Patrickdk> nfs4 depends on what security model your running, but it generally also still needs uid and usernames to match between systems
[02:52] <Patrickdk> what does, latest nfs-kernel-server have to do with version?
[02:52] <Patrickdk> the latest nfs-kernel-server supports nfs2 nfs3 and nfs4
[02:52] <lickalott> 1 "guest" is a WDTV media streamer (can do samba and NFS, but have it set up for NFS), 1 is a windows box, and the other is a fedora laptop.  The windows box is having the trouble right now.
[02:52] <Patrickdk> oviously you configured nfs, so what did you use?
[02:53] <lickalott> wait 1.  let me check.
[02:53] <Patrickdk> I doubt the wdtv can do nfs4
[02:53] <Patrickdk> and dunno if the windows one will default to nfs3 or nfs4
[02:54] <Patrickdk> but sounds like, making it work the way you want, is going be near impossible with nfs
[02:54] <lickalott> how can I tell which version?
[02:54] <Patrickdk> normally? on the mount option
[02:54] <Patrickdk> type nfs (rw,noatime,bg,noacl,nfsvers=3
[02:55] <Patrickdk> as far as server, running nfs4 is a lot of work, and config
[02:55] <lickalott> it did work like that (for a long time) before I had to reload the OS on the windows box.  It doesn't really make much sense to me which is why i can't even attempt to recreate it to work again.  Nothing has changed on the NFS side.  the only thing that changed was the UID that is being used/seen on from the windows machine.
[02:55] <Patrickdk> atleast if you planned to do it correctly
[02:55] <Patrickdk> as I said, it's normally luck if it works
[02:56] <Patrickdk> I have no idea how windows does nfs
[02:56] <Patrickdk> but nfs DEPENDS on uid's to match
[02:56] <lickalott> do you mean version on the windows side or the ubuntu server side?
[02:56] <Patrickdk> so you need windows to match the uid when using nfs
[02:56] <Patrickdk> I mean both sides
[02:56] <Patrickdk> UID must match over ALL systems
[02:56] <Patrickdk> or you loose all security over nfs
[02:56] <Patrickdk> when using non-kerberos based nfs
[02:57] <Patrickdk> that means, unless you use kerberos based nfs4, fully configured, you depend on uid matching over all clients and server, for security
[02:57] <lickalott> i'm going to say nfs3.   I don't think the built in windows NFS client module can handle nfs4.
[02:58] <Patrickdk> and even with kerberos based nfs4, you still need uid and usernames to match, or it won't work right, but it will still be *secure*
[02:58] <Patrickdk> I know nothing about windows nfs
[02:58] <lickalott> and on the server....i used this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[02:58] <Patrickdk> but somehow you need the uid's to match
[03:00] <lickalott> that's what I was thinking.   I even went as far as to make a user based on the UID from the windows box (something like 429128847).  he now shows up with an actual username.  Then added that user to a group that has "group" priviledges on the folders in question.
[03:00] <lickalott> but still can't access unless the permissions are wide open.
[03:00] <lickalott> I'll look into the UID match thing and report back if I get anywhere (just incase someone else ever asks.)
[03:01] <Patrickdk> I don't know about the group thing
[03:01] <Patrickdk> if it's verified on the server or the client
[03:01] <Patrickdk> your assuming server side though
[03:01] <lickalott> true
[03:06] <cryptodan> lickalott: is this Windows 7?
[03:06] <lickalott> yes
[03:07] <cryptodan> ill install NFS Client on my VM and see if it supports NFS4
[03:08] <lickalott> looks like it does, just not natively - http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/windows/readme.html
[03:12] <cryptodan> I connected to my NFS4 share just fine via the client in WIndows 7
[03:13] <cryptodan> Here are some of the command line switches for it http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754350.aspx
[03:14] <Patrickdk> cryptodan, that document lists a lot of nfs3 stuff
[03:14] <Patrickdk> you SURE it's using nfs4?
[03:15] <Patrickdk> oh there it is
[03:15] <cryptodan> I would imagine that my client would have gotten a protocol mismatch
[03:15] <Patrickdk> -o sec=....
[03:15] <Patrickdk> looks like windows 8 does
[03:20] <lickalott> mount -o mtype=soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/cyclops Z:
[03:20] <lickalott> mount -o mtype=soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/iceman Y:
[03:20] <lickalott> mount -o mtype=soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/wolverine X:
[03:20] <lickalott> mount -o mtype=soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/weed/ipcam1 W:
[03:20] <lickalott> mount -o mtype=soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/weed/ipcam2 V:
[03:21] <lickalott> that's what mine looks like now.
[03:21] <cryptodan> wrong slashes I think
[03:22] <lickalott> it works.  its just the permissions thing.
[03:22] <cryptodan> C:\Users\cryptodan>mount \\<IP_ADDRESS>\home\cryptodan\public_html U:
[03:22] <cryptodan> U: is now successfully connected to \\<IP_ADDRESS>\home\cryptodan\public_html
[03:22] <Patrickdk> cryptodan,  that is nfs? that looks like smb/cifs
[03:23] <cryptodan> its nfs
[03:23] <cryptodan> dont have SMB on my server at all
[03:24] <lickalott> i can't get it to work with the slashes that way.
[03:25] <lickalott> C:\Users\weed>mount -o \\<IP_ADDRESS>\CYCLOPS U:
[03:25] <lickalott> Network Error - 53
[03:25] <lickalott> Type 'NET HELPMSG 53' for more information.
[03:25] <cryptodan> you need the full path
[03:25] <cryptodan> and I didnt use the -o
[03:26] <cryptodan> lickalott: and are you sure that the nfs admin and client are installed on the client machine?
[03:27] <lickalott> got it to mount.
[03:28] <lickalott> pretty sure....  i went into programs and features and enabled everything NFS.  Even went as far as to install "services for NFS"
[03:29] <cryptodan> thats all I did and followed one of the examples in that post on that site from MS to mount it
[03:30] <lickalott> what are you permissions on the server side for the folders/files?  I've made the main folders 777 but the subdirs and files that i haven't touched yet I can't access from the windows side.
[03:30]  * teward coughs at 777
[03:30] <lickalott> serious
[03:31] <cryptodan> default for the mount
[03:31] <lickalott> are you saying default for the mount as in "whatever the default is" or 777 is default for the mount?
[03:32] <cryptodan> 755
[03:33] <cryptodan> so its mounting via nfs3
[03:33] <lickalott> yep, that's how I had it.  and it worked fine before.  For some reason I can't get to them now unless I changed the permissions (which I don't really want to do)  This server has an internet facing interface and I'd rather not have my stuff wide open.
[03:34] <cryptodan> as does my server but my firewall disallows nfs from the outside
[03:34] <lickalott> but you're running nfsv4 on the server side?
[03:34] <cryptodan> yes
[03:35] <lickalott> i have to be missing something....
[03:35] <lickalott> I'm even sharing out NFS mounts from the windows box fine.  (Hanewin NFS server)
[03:36] <cryptodan> let me create a new user in my VM and see if I can mount it
[03:39] <cryptodan> new user mounts fine and the user doesnt exist on the server can access files but cant create them
[03:40] <lickalott> will you do me a favor?  can you pastebin your /etc/exports file?
[03:41] <cryptodan> /home/cryptodan/public_html <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,nohide,insecure,no_subtree_check,sync)
[03:42] <lickalott> /media/CYCLOPS         *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[03:42] <lickalott> what does the insecure switch do for you?
[03:42] <cryptodan> unauthed access I believe
[03:52] <lickalott> thanks cryptodan.  It seems to be working now with 755
[03:52] <cryptodan> you are welcome
[08:01] <jdzielny> hello everyone.  I'm looking for some help converting a server with a single hdd over to bootable RAID 1.  It's currently hdd > LUKS > LVM
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:16] <FullEraser> hi all
[09:18] <lordievader> o/
[14:25] <FrEaKmAn_> hi.. today I got this email http://pastie.org/9812344 from my VPS
[14:25] <FrEaKmAn_> does this mean something bad?
[14:26] <FrEaKmAn_> I'm checking mail.err log and noticing a lot of invalid email address errors. is this spam?
[15:17] <Patrickdk> FrEaKmAn_, it would be helpful if you told us something
[15:17] <Patrickdk> we can't tell you anything so far
[15:19] <FrEaKmAn_> Patrickdk, neither do I :)
[15:19] <FrEaKmAn_> I don't know in which direction to go..
[15:20] <Patrickdk> where are the logs? what is the name of your server?
[15:40] <FrEaKmAn_> in var/log.. name?
[19:22] <jdzielny> hello everyone.  I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS using RAID/LVM/LUKS.  I correctly configure all the petitions and mount points, and everything in the install goes smooth, until it gets to the bootloader install.  It runs "grub-install /dev/sda /dev/sdb" and crashes with the unhelpfully vague message that grub-install failed
[19:22] <jdzielny> anyone know what the problem is?
[19:23] <cryptodan> it should only be trying to install on one drive
[19:25] <jdzielny> in order for it to be bootable from either disk in RAID 1 it has to be on both drives
[19:25] <jdzielny> otherwise you have one drive with a bootloader and the other without.  defeats the point of RAID 1 if you have to manually install a bootloader when one of the drives fails
[19:25] <cryptodan> I have a RAD 1 for my system partition, and when I Installed it it selected only one drive
[19:25] <cryptodan> RAID 1*
[19:26] <jdzielny> if you pull that drive out (to simulate a drive failure), you won't be able to boot
[19:26] <jdzielny> if only one of the drives in the array has a bootloader, if it fails, the system can't boot
[19:27] <cryptodan> it should mirror it during install and as such the data should be mirrored
[19:28] <jdzielny> here's the steps I followed.
[19:29] <jdzielny> 1.  Create 2 identical partition tables on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb -- /dev/sda/b1 are 250MB type FD (RAID), /dev/sda/b2 are 100% (all remaining space) type FD
[19:29] <jdzielny> 2. Create md0 from sda/b1 and md1 from sda/b2
[19:30] <cryptodan> so this is software raid?
[19:30] <jdzielny> yes.  configured using the Ubuntu Server installer
[19:31] <cryptodan> ah mine is hardware raid via controller so your setup is different
[19:31] <jdzielny> yeah :-\
[19:32] <cryptodan> and mdraid is gone and as such dmraid is inplay I believe in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[19:32] <jdzielny> the issue seems to be with ubiquity, not with grub
[19:33] <jdzielny> then again, I could be wrong
[19:34] <jdzielny> anyway, here's the rest, maybe someone else can see and give some insight
[19:37] <jdzielny> 3. md0 is configured as ext3 mounted at /boot (intended to be used for the boot files with /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as the bootloader disks)
[19:37] <jdzielny> 4. md1 is configured as physical volume for LUKS
[19:37] <cryptodan> try not using encryption and see if you succeed
[19:41] <jdzielny> brb
[20:01] <jdzielny> had to restart the laptop i'm on
[21:20] <jdzielny> cryptodan, trying the raid 1 install without any encryption or LVM.  just 4 partitions on each hdd (/boot, /, swap, and home), arrayed into /dev/md0, md1, md2, and md3 respectively
[21:21] <cryptodan> kk
[21:38] <jdzielny> cryptodan, okay it installed without the same error as before (I think)
[21:39] <jdzielny> Aside from pulling one or the other hdd out, how can I chec that it actually booted from /md0 and not from /sda or /sdb
[21:39] <jdzielny> ?
[21:43] <cryptodan> thats the only way
[21:45] <jdzielny> using grep /dev/md /etc/fstab I verified at least that the filesystems actually are on the RAID devices
[21:46] <jdzielny> confirmed that / is on md1, /boot on md0, etc. all where they should be
[21:46] <cryptodan> so it sounds like the issue was in your luks setup
[21:46] <jdzielny> so far anyway
[22:07] <jdzielny> LoL cryptodan for future reference, make sure /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min and _max are set high
[22:07] <jdzielny> was trying to figure out why it was so slow (1000KB/sec resync, really?!?!), speed limit was set to 1k
[22:07] <jdzielny> lol
[22:09] <jdzielny> I'm gonna try redoing the install with crypto on and see if it works
[22:11] <jdzielny> the only annoying thing is that if you use crypto for all of the partitions, you have to type in the passphrase that many times at least once.  once the system is up and running you can create keyfiles for all the partitions, but holy f**k it's annoying thta the installer doesn't just work right
[22:44] <cryptodan> lol
[22:52] <lnxmen> Hello
[22:53] <lnxmen> Is there any magic that I changed one file and my site is totally broken?
[22:53] <lnxmen> I returned everything to previous situation.
[22:53] <lnxmen> And site stil does not work.
[22:54] <lnxmen> No error.
[22:54] <lnxmen> How come?
[22:55] <bekks> Depends on the file you changed :)
[22:56] <lnxmen> bekks: It was a template.
[22:56] <bekks> And?
[22:56] <lnxmen> And nothing more.
[22:56] <bekks> Whats the filename?
[22:56] <lnxmen> template.html.php
[22:57] <lnxmen> As I said I returned original one.
[22:57] <lnxmen> But it's still blank page.
[22:57] <bekks> Could you provide a bit more information please? Like which Ubuntu do you have, which webserver, where did you get that file from, where is it stored, erc.?
[22:57] <bekks> *etc
[22:57] <lnxmen> bekks: surely.
[22:58] <lnxmen> It's Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[22:58] <lnxmen> apache2
[22:58] <bekks> You dont have to press enter after every three words ;)
[22:58] <lnxmen> File was sent by my client - he said it's original one to the framework (PHPFox)
[22:59] <lnxmen> Okay.
[22:59] <lnxmen> So, I changed them.
[22:59] <lnxmen> And next I got blank page. (wtf?!)
[23:00] <lnxmen> Okay, I thought file is broken or something, so I changed files one more time (to the file that was eariler).
[23:00] <lnxmen> And despite I reloaded everything (apache, mysql) I get blank page.
[23:00] <lnxmen> No error.
[23:01] <lnxmen> And yes, I have set php to display errors.
[23:01] <lnxmen> In index.php as well as in php.ini.
[23:01] <lnxmen> bekks: I don't really know what is the problem.
[23:01] <lnxmen> No error given, no warning. I checked every log that is related to this site.
[23:01] <lnxmen> Literally nothing.
[23:01] <lnxmen> Do you need something more?
[23:02] <lnxmen> Any idea?
[23:02] <lnxmen> I configured everything on this server, so I believe it's well done.
[23:02] <lnxmen> Permissions are okay.
[23:08] <lnxmen> I reloaded cache. It works again.


[00:57] <cnd> bryceh, would you be able to SRU the fix for bug 806256 to 11.04?
[00:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806256 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "xf86PostMotionEvent resets cursor to upper left (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806256
[00:57] <cnd> it's fixed in oneiric, so it should be easy as far as SRUs go
[04:38] <RAOF> Bah.  Building xf86-video-intel twice, one with uxa and one with sna is *almost* easy.
[05:24] <tjaalton> cnd: bryceh might be on paternity leave, but i can sru it next week when i'm back
[05:31] <RAOF> tjaalton, cnd: Or I could SRU it :)
[05:36] <tjaalton> that works too :)
[15:01] <cnd> RAOF, tjaalton: thanks!
[15:23] <bjsnider> ricotz, i discovered what was happening. i tried flash in firefox since you said it worked. the same crash happened, except instead of the desktop being indefinitely suspended, after about 30 seconds firefox reports flash crashed and then you can move on. chromium doesn't ever give up trying to make the plugin work.
[15:24] <bjsnider> ricotz, have you got /etc/adobe/mms.cfg on your system?
[15:48] <ricotz> bjsnider, hi, no, i dont have this file
[15:49] <bjsnider> yeah so on  your system vdpau probably wasn't enabled and that's why you didn't experience this issue with firefox
[15:51] <ricotz> bjsnider, mhh, the plugin configuration said the acceleration is enabled
[15:51] <ricotz> i.e. also mplayer uses it
[15:59] <bjsnider> ricotz, at once point that file had to be present for hardware accel to work, but that may have changed
[16:06] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone have a ATi card and when you install the fglrx driver you get a "AMD Unsupported Hardware" watermark at the bottom left?
[16:10] <ricotz> bjsnider, ok, the flash plugin doesnt seem to use libvdpau while running
[16:13] <bjsnider> ricotz, i just tested it without that file present and it seems stable now
[16:23] <ricotz> bjsnider, ok adding the file enables it
[16:30] <ricotz> bjsnider, ok, i wont do that again :P
[16:31] <ricotz> xorg get stuck, killing it gets you back to normal
[16:35] <ricotz> bjsnider, if you wrote something after my last line ("ok adding the file enables it"), i didnt got it
[16:54] <floppsy> hello. I have a problem with the X server (i think). Booting works fine, but screen stays black. I can change to Terminal, login and so on, but don't see anything. Booting with nomodeset option helps, so I can see, what I type. X does not work. I tried natty first. It did not work. So I tried oneiric, which is not working either. graphic card is radeonhd 2400.
[16:54] <floppsy> and xorg.0.log ist nopasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/652520/
[17:00] <bjsnider> ricotz, why, did the crash happen for you?
[17:02] <ricotz> bjsnider, it doesnt crash
[17:02] <ricotz> xorg freezes and stuck
[17:02] <ricotz> the xorg process
[17:05] <bjsnider> well, whatever
[17:05] <bjsnider> so it isn't specifically my system or my flash package that did it
[17:05] <bjsnider> we'll just have to do without vdpau in flash for the time being
[17:06] <bjsnider> ricotz, i was only explaining what the issue was, i wasn't insinuating that you should try to make the issue appear on your system
[17:07] <bjsnider> not until you were ready for it anyway
[17:07] <bjsnider> something is terribly wrong when flash can take down xorg though
[17:08] <ricotz> bjsnider, yeah, i was prepared for it, but i messed up saving some logs
[17:08] <ricotz> if there were any
[17:08] <bjsnider> if you were using firefox i think the issue would have been cleared up after 30 seconds or so
[17:09] <ricotz> it is probably nvidias fault here
[17:09] <ricotz> it happens when i switch to a new video
[17:10] <ricotz> playing/jumping/fullscreen-toggle/resolution-changing worked for the first one
[17:10] <bjsnider> yeah, it always happens on a switch to a new video for me
[17:13] <bjsnider> ricotz, what do you have to do from ssh to resume, or is it just reboot?
[17:17] <ricotz> bjsnider, as i wrote ;) -- killing xorg and login again
[17:17] <ricotz> over ssh
[17:22] <ricotz> bjsnider, more precisely, i looked for the troubled process, killed it and restarted gdm
[17:32] <bjsnider> ricotz, any idea why xorg freezing would cause the keyboard but not the mouse to be unresponsive?
[17:38] <ricotz> dont know, the mouse is a bit special with its own buffer
[17:56] <bjsnider> ricotz, i think at some point soon this should be reported to nvidia
[17:57] <bjsnider> and you are elected since you can get logs and whatnot via ssh
[18:02] <ricotz> bjsnider, http://forums.adobe.com/thread/877495
[18:04] <Sarvatt> ion vdpau has been busted since 270.xx, probably a different bug
[18:09] <bjsnider> ricotz, the answer to the last guy's question is no doubt by manually adding that file
[18:17] <ricotz> Sarvatt, perhaps, but could be related
[18:18] <ricotz> bjsnider, yeah
[18:20] <ricotz> Sarvatt, any chance you are planning xserver 1.11 for edgers?
[18:22] <bjsnider> those posts make it sound like adobe is responsible
[18:50] <dupondje> Somebody has any idea on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/816588 ?
[18:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 816588 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Changing Caps Lock to Shift Lock does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:47] <BigWhale> Greetings
[22:48] <BigWhale> Anyone knows what's the status of fglrx drivers in Oneiric?
[22:56] <soreau> BigWhale: That's not exactly a pointed question
[22:56] <soreau> what are you wanting to know specifically?
[22:57] <BigWhale> Well, mostly if it is working. :) When I tried to use it in Alpha1 I failed.
[22:58] <soreau> What card model do you have?
[22:58] <BigWhale> HD6850 which works in Natty and fglrx
[22:58] <soreau> You might try the open radeon driver as it is the default
[22:59] <BigWhale> but Oneiric ships with different kernel and at that point fglrx didn't work.
[22:59] <BigWhale> yeah I am using radeon driver now.
[22:59] <soreau> So far as fglrx goes, the status is probably the same as it is from the AMD site
[23:01] <RAOF> AFAIK, fglrx should be working now.
[23:03] <BigWhale> I have some performance issues in OpenShot and I'd like to rule out the graphics driver.


[00:38] <jjesse> hello
[01:27] <crashsystems> I think I may have found a bug in notify-osd, but would like some input. Normally in Firefox I can drag links from a page onto the tab bar to open them up in a new tab. Just a minute ago, I tried doing so, in an area of the tab bar that was obscured by a notification. As usual when my mouse moved up there the notification went mostly transparent, but dropping links to that spot would not work. When the notification went away
[01:31] <bcurtiswx> anyone here good with wordpress configs?
[01:38] <greg-g> crashsystems: I think your message was cut off, I see at the end "When the notification went away"
[01:39] <crashsystems> "....normal behavior resumed."
[01:39] <crashsystems> the and
[01:39] <greg-g> :)
[01:39] <crashsystems> the end*
[01:39] <crashsystems> I just searched in notify-osd on LP, and did not find a related bug report. I'm currently writing one up
[01:40] <greg-g> crashsystems: it would be interesting to see if the notifications prevent other drag n drop actions, like of files to the desktop
[01:40] <crashsystems> Hmm, I'll test that out real quick
[01:40] <crashsystems> confirmed.
[01:40] <greg-g> want me to send you a notice on identica? :)
[01:40] <greg-g> neverind then
[01:41] <crashsystems> I downloaded the little python file that was used on the notify-osd testing day
[01:41] <greg-g> ah, right on.
[01:43] <greg-g> anyone using epiphany in Jaunty? it won't start up for me, bug 347048
[01:43] <crashsystems> it starts up for me
[01:43] <greg-g> hmmm
[01:50] <crashsystems> greg-g any other sort of drag-and-drop events you can think of to test this?
[01:52] <greg-g> crashsystems: not really, those two sound like enough
[01:52] <crashsystems> bug #347053
[02:00] <Ampelbein> bug #347052 - ???
[02:02] <crashsystems> does seem to be a little sparse on details...
[02:02] <greg-g> Ampelbein: did you report that bug?
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> hey anyone know wordpress well enough to know why http://weather.briandcurtis.com:443/ubuntu/wp-login.php is like that (its supposed to have a theme).. but thats a fresh installation
[02:03] <Ampelbein> greg-g: no
[02:03] <Ampelbein> just stumbled over it.
[02:03] <Ampelbein> i think i'll convert it to a question
[02:03] <greg-g> Ampelbein: gotcha.
[02:03] <greg-g> or ask for more information
[02:03] <greg-g> it may be a bug
[02:04] <greg-g> Don't convert to a question unless you know it isn't a bug.
[02:05] <Ampelbein> well, since the gnome-do he mentions is just a pidgin-irc-window it is clear he can't drag and drop files there.
[02:05] <crashsystems> I thought gnome-do looked different...
[02:06] <greg-g> crashsystems: it has a docky now
[02:06] <crashsystems> so I've heard
[02:07] <greg-g> Ampelbein: I don't know if that is what he meant by gnome-do
[02:07] <mrooney> Ampelbein: Do is on the bottom, and it is in fact a real issue
[02:07] <greg-g> Ampelbein: he was probably in the irc channel looking for help
[02:09] <crashsystems> What is the difference between using #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu+1? The purpose of both channels seems to overlap in my mind.
[02:10] <greg-g> #ubuntu+1 is for support of the development version of ubuntu while #ubuntu-bugs is for triaging bugs in ubuntu (whatever version)
[02:11] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[02:15] <bcurtiswx> wordpress.. you worked 5 minutes ago
[02:15] <bcurtiswx> whyyyyyyyy?????
[02:15] <bcurtiswx> :P
[02:17] <bcurtiswx> hmm.. why would something work on http://localhost but not my actual domain address
[02:18] <bcurtiswx> in this case its wordpress themes
[02:59] <nullack> Ping asac : RE my email on Aus and NZ language setup for FF
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:57] <thekorn> good morning YoBoY
[07:04] <YoBoY> hi thekorn :)
[11:19] <nullack> ping asac RE bug #3127
[11:21] <BUGabundo> calc: ping
[11:21] <BUGabundo> what's the OOo can't open file from samba/gvfs bug ?
[11:37] <YoBoY> bug 243489 << confirmed, importance medium or high
[11:43] <BUGabundo> is bug 279820 confirmed?
[12:23] <YoBoY> bug 346710 << wishlist
[12:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:25] <BUGabundo> that would be a nice feature
[12:25] <BUGabundo> but also a  security breach
[12:25] <BUGabundo> -1 from me
[12:25] <BUGabundo> any user on that terminal within Timeout could list files that only root should access
[12:27] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:27] <YoBoY> yes, but it's a wish, only the bash devs can say if they can or not :)
[12:27] <YoBoY> but the sudo active time is also a security breach ;)
[12:28] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[12:29] <BUGabundo> that's why I set mine to 30 secs
[12:29] <BUGabundo> if I want something else, I would be running as root
[12:29] <BUGabundo> but that isn't as secure as possible (as low privileged as possible)
[12:30] <BUGabundo> and of course, running as root it is not the Ubuntu way
[12:33] <BUGabundo> LP now allows to mark bugs as dupes of other bugs, even when having dups bugs it self? eheh
[12:34] <pedro_> m? ala bugzilla?
[12:34] <pedro_> if so I'd love that
[12:34]  * pedro_ tries
[12:34] <BUGabundo> one prob only (I think)
[12:34] <BUGabundo> the dupes don't get dup of the master
[12:35] <BUGabundo> they remain on the original bug
[12:35] <pedro_> same way bugzilla handle those
[12:36] <BUGabundo> never mind
[12:36] <BUGabundo> #LP says it's a bug
[12:36] <BUGabundo> it causes infitive loops
[12:36] <BUGabundo> but it would be nice to have a tree of bugs
[12:37] <cph4ck3r> hey can anyone tell me if ubuntu rpm support system or not
[12:38] <BUGabundo> cph4ck3r: if we can use RPMs?
[12:38] <BUGabundo> well there's alien to convert to debs
[12:38] <cph4ck3r> ???
[12:41] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/347246
[12:42] <BUGabundo> pedro_: ^^^
[12:42] <pedro_> BUGabundo: thanks ;-)
[12:47] <BUGabundo> pedro_: didn't you touch bug 340222 ?
[12:49] <pedro_> BUGabundo: nope. may you open a new one with apport? would be good to have a complete stacktrace
[12:49] <BUGabundo> I did apport-collect
[12:50] <BUGabundo> and apport should have sent the data as attached
[12:50] <BUGabundo> since I filed it with it, after crash
[12:51] <pedro_> BUGabundo: there's nothing on the report, that's why i was telling you to open a new one
[12:51] <BUGabundo> oh
[12:51] <BUGabundo> bad apport/lp
[12:51] <pedro_> BUGabundo: only the dependencies were attached
[12:51] <pedro_> heh yeah
[12:51] <BUGabundo> not even from apport-collect?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> maybe its just slow??
[12:52] <pedro_> let's wait a few minutes then, if it doesn't just open a new one, the stacktrace on that bug is broken as said
[12:53] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:53] <BUGabundo> lunch in a few minute
[12:53] <BUGabundo> if it isn't when I came back, I'll just copy a new file and make it crash
[12:54] <BUGabundo> happens 90% of the time
[12:58] <BUGabundo> bah
[12:58] <BUGabundo> why does reproduce tests always fail when we try them?
[13:06] <YoBoY> BUGabundo: should be a murphy's law :)
[13:07] <BUGabundo> pedro_: there a collect log there
[13:07] <BUGabundo> is that enough ?
[13:07] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: 4 reason of techonolgy testing
[13:09] <pedro_> BUGabundo: nope
[13:09] <BUGabundo> bah
[13:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[13:09] <BUGabundo> will dd a big file and move it to server
[14:11] <bddebian> Boo
[14:12] <BUGabundo> f... couch
[14:12] <bddebian> Hrm... :)
[14:12]  * BUGabundo damn bugs, got me a cold
[14:21] <BUGabundo> pedro_: uploading new crash now
[14:21] <pedro_> BUGabundo: ok, nice
[14:22] <BUGabundo> pedro_: nah
[14:22] <BUGabundo> its to slow...........
[14:22] <BUGabundo> LP must be timeing out
[14:24]  * dholbach hugs asac :)
[14:25]  * asac hugs dholbach
[14:25] <maco> ^ random hugging?
[14:25]  * BUGabundo better shut up. doesn't want to be kicked again
[14:25] <BUGabundo> pedro_: upload failed
[14:26] <BUGabundo> how can I force to re-upload the local crash file?
[14:26] <asac> slow? .... try to open: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100478
[14:26] <asac> lol
[14:26] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[14:26] <BUGabundo> asac: I know
[14:26] <BUGabundo> not the fastest site
[14:26] <asac> even ubottu gave up ;)
[14:28] <BUGabundo> anyone wanna tell me how to re-upload an apport crash?
[14:29] <asac> BUGabundo: you need to double click on the .crash file
[14:29] <asac> if its removed you are probably out of luck
[14:30] <BUGabundo> ahh that
[14:30] <BUGabundo> keep forgeting about it
[14:30] <BUGabundo> you can't click from cli... duh
[14:34] <BUGabundo> no idea what apport is doing
[14:34] <BUGabundo> but it just closes it self.... doesn't open an LP page
[14:34] <BUGabundo> can't add the trace pedro_and seb128 want
[14:36] <seb128> use sudo apport-retrace .crash
[14:36] <seb128> locally retracing
[14:39] <BUGabundo> done
[14:39] <BUGabundo> uploaded to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/347323
[14:39] <BUGabundo> apport-cli -c did ut
[14:39] <BUGabundo> *it
[14:39] <BUGabundo> pedro_: ^^^
[14:41] <BUGabundo> seb128: is it any good?
[14:41]  * seb128 undups it so it get retraced
[14:42] <seb128> BUGabundo: it has not been retraced yet
[14:42] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[14:42] <BUGabundo> ping me back if you guys need anything else
[14:42] <BUGabundo> since its quite easy to reproduce
[14:42] <seb128> bah
[14:42] <seb128> BUGabundo:    from /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-dropbox.so
[14:42] <BUGabundo> maybe some debug libs
[14:42] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[14:42] <seb128> BUGabundo: that's not an ubuntu bug
[14:42] <BUGabundo> so that's it!
[14:42] <BUGabundo> thanks
[14:43] <BUGabundo> upstreaming it
[14:43] <seb128> you installed some crap from the web apparently ;-)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> I wouldn't call it crap
[14:43] <BUGabundo> but sure, its semi opensource
[14:43] <seb128> well, it crashes nautilus reliably
[14:43] <BUGabundo> eheehehe
[14:43] <seb128> and we get the bugs
[14:43] <BUGabundo> filing upstream
[14:43] <seb128> thanks
[14:44] <BUGabundo> seb128: can you comment that on the dupe bug, so that upstream know exaclty what happened?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> thanks
[14:45] <seb128> BUGabundo: what do you mean?
[14:45] <seb128> BUGabundo: retracing will not work ubuntu has no dbgsym for those binaries
[14:45] <seb128> since they are not coming from ubuntu
[14:46] <BUGabundo> sent upstream
[14:46] <BUGabundo> http://forums.getdropbox.com/topic.php?id=7738&replies=1#post-49530
[14:47] <BUGabundo> seb128: part of the DropBox is opensource
[14:47] <BUGabundo> and part is close
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I think the nautilus plugin is FOSS
[14:47] <BUGabundo> let me check the site
[14:47] <seb128> BUGabundo: I don't deny that but launchpad doesn't know about non ubuntu code
[14:48] <seb128> BUGabundo: so retracing can't work there
[14:48] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:49] <BUGabundo> seb128: https://www.getdropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx
[14:49] <BUGabundo> here is source
[14:50] <BUGabundo> if I get it, can I retrace it locally ?
[14:51] <seb128> BUGabundo: you need to rebuild it in debug mode but yes
[15:57] <maco> should bug 331369 be considered a dup of bug 336848 ?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> hey maco 336848 isn't mine?
[16:26] <maco> no buga, you didnt reot that one
[16:26] <BUGabundo> then I have a dupe with the same text
[16:27] <BUGabundo> ah there am I on the dupe list
[16:35] <dominiks> hello everyone... is it possible to reopen bug 344839 marked as invalid please? I was trying to forward new suggestions to Ubuntu Brainstorm, but looks like reporter don't like this idea very much.. thanks
[16:37] <dominiks> *it looks like reporter doesn't*
[16:43] <YoBoY> dominiks: this suggestion/bug could also be reported upstream (gnome?)
[16:46] <dominiks> YoBoY: yeah.. I just wasn't sure it's Gnome issue or more generic idea :)
[16:47] <charlie-tca> dominiks: all you have to do is click the invalid under status and change it
[16:48] <dominiks> charlie-tca: it's disabled for me.. could you please do it for me?
[16:48] <YoBoY> it's a generic idea, a improvment, but i don't tink it's a ubuntu spécific message, a good way to identify who have the project is to search the error message in rosetta :)
[16:48] <charlie-tca> sure, what status would you like?
[16:48] <dominiks> charlie-tca: new i think
[16:49] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca...
[16:49] <charlie-tca> done
[16:49] <charlie-tca> hey, BUGabundo
[16:49] <dominiks> thanks for help everyone
[16:49] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:49] <BUGabundo> humm about the bug
[16:49] <BUGabundo> gnome-mount really needs more details
[16:49] <BUGabundo> the cli version is much more verbose and usefull
[16:53] <bcurtiswx-mini> dtchen: bug #345627
[16:53] <bcurtiswx-mini> dtchen: alsot trying your kernel from your PPA. doesn't fix my crackling issue
[16:57] <dominiks> YoBoY: how can I search something in rosetta please? sorry, I'm not very familiar with stuff regarding translations yet :-/
[16:58] <YoBoY> dominiks: don't know ¬_¬" it's more complicated than i tink
[16:58] <dominiks> YoBoY: ah ok.. thanks anyway
[17:09] <YoBoY> dominiks: the package is "gnome-mount"
[17:10] <dominiks> YoBoY: thanks
[17:13] <YoBoY> dominiks: another thing, for the wishbugs, i "confirm" them not invalidate them, and ask here to set the importance as wishlist, it's more friendly for the repporter
[17:13] <YoBoY> don't know if it's the right thing to do ... ;)
[17:16] <charlie-tca> You just have to look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[17:17] <dominiks> i was using invalid status because it§s recommended in wiki for brainstorming bug, but i agree it's bit rude :)
[17:18] <YoBoY> dominiks: ho it's recommanded to invalid them? where ? i haven't read that one :]
[17:20] <YoBoY> dominiks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Checklist << here, recommanded to mark confirmed
[17:20] <dominiks> YoBoY: oh.. my fault!
[17:20] <YoBoY> no problem :)
[17:21] <dominiks> YoBoY: i think somebody told me to mark it invalid here couple of days ago.. but im not sure.. i should read wiki..
[17:21] <YoBoY> i made bigger mistakes :p
[17:21] <dominiks> shame on me! :-[
[17:59] <yofel> hi, I'm new here and not sure about this, but I think that should be marked as wishlist: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/claws-mail/+bug/347440
[18:02] <charlie-tca> yofel, mark it wishlist please
[18:02] <bromic94> hey all. i have to downnload the updated drivers and patch for the broadcom wifi chip
[18:02] <bromic94> was wondering if someone could help me with all of this
[18:02] <yofel> charlie-tca: how?
[18:02] <bromic94> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907 that is the bug
[18:02] <bromic94> apparently downloading updated driver and patch fixes the issue
[18:03] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you need to be bug-control for that
[18:03] <charlie-tca> yofel: I did mark it wishlist, please mark it confirmed
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Yeah, too many things here.
[18:03] <yofel> ok
[18:04] <bromic94> davmor2 or yofel could you help me out?
[18:07] <davmor2> bromic94: This channel is mostly for bug triage you might want to try #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 which are more generic help channels
[18:08] <davmor2> +1 is for Jaunty chat
[18:08] <bromic94> aware of that
[18:08] <bromic94> for +1
[18:08] <bromic94> trying to get a  possible fix for a bug that is why i asked in here
[18:20] <sbeattie> hrm, looks like there may be a fair number of dupes of bug 319918 hanging about, needing to be made public.
[18:25] <charlie-tca> sbeattie: Is it worth filing a decent bug report on the difficulty of updating /boot/grub/menu.lst when using multiple drives?
[18:27] <sbeattie> charlie-tca: I would think so, though it will likely be marked wishlist.
[18:27] <sbeattie> but wishlist bugs are useful, too.
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Wishlist works, at least it keeps it in mind.
[18:39] <dominiks> enough of triaging bugs! time to fix some of them :p
[19:09] <imachine> hi
[19:09] <imachine> a quick question, dunno if it's the right place, but since I updated to Jaunty's 4.5 QT, all my Qt4 apps look properly (same theme as gtk, they also pick the font settings correctly) the only issue is they don't seem to pick off dpi correctly.
[19:10] <imachine> that's on my old account, if I create a new one, it works okay.
[19:10] <imachine> any hints where I might be cleaning config files or so to make it work right?
[19:42] <dan-ubuntu> evening all
[19:43] <dan-ubuntu> help
[19:44] <jjardon> hello, anyone using glade-3? the Shortcut to the devhelper documentation don't work
[19:45] <jjardon> glade points you to page:GtkDialog, but it don't show anything
[19:45] <jjardon> if a write manually GtkDialog, the manual page shows
[19:46] <pedro_> jjardon: me, that's help->developer reference?
[19:47] <jjardon> pedro_, when you rigth-click in a widget and click on read documentation
[19:47] <jjardon> is a glade-3 fault or a devhelper fault?
[19:49] <dan-ubuntu> evening all
[19:50] <BUGabundo> hi dan-ubuntu
[19:51] <dan-ubuntu> hey :)
[19:51] <dan-ubuntu> i have a LOT of time on my hands atm
[19:51] <dan-ubuntu> 17, not at school
[19:51] <dan-ubuntu> so, ive decided to try out jaunty, alpha 6
[19:52] <dan-ubuntu> and do some bug reporting, see what i can do to help
[19:54] <pedro_> jjardon: right it doesn't work, may you open a new bug in glade3 in the meantime?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> dan-ubuntu: nice
[19:54] <BUGabundo> visit #ubuntu+1
[19:54] <dan-ubuntu> me?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> there is where most jaunty user are
[19:54] <dan-ubuntu> cool, is that for bugs?
[19:54] <jjardon> pedro_, okis
[19:54] <pedro_> dan-ubuntu: a testing day is happening on #ubuntu-testing in case you want to join ;-)
[19:54] <BUGabundo> all but me... but that's another storie
[19:55] <BUGabundo> dan-ubuntu: also read the documentation
[19:55] <BUGabundo> and always run update-manager (several times a day)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[19:56] <dan-ubuntu> i do that :P
[19:56] <dan-ubuntu> thanks
[19:56] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[19:56] <BUGabundo> welcome on aboard
[19:56] <BUGabundo> and remember to respect users and devs!
[19:56] <dan-ubuntu> thanks :)
[19:56] <BUGabundo> everyone here is trying to help
[19:56] <BUGabundo> plus subscrive to a few mailinglists
[19:57] <BUGabundo> most details are there
[19:57] <BUGabundo> announce, devel and devel-discuss
[19:57] <BUGabundo> are the ones you want!
[19:57] <dan-ubuntu> thanks
[19:58] <jjardon> pedro_, bug 347520 added
[19:58] <pedro_> jjardon: awesome, thanks
[20:03] <torkiano> pedro_, i filled another bug: bug 346309
[20:04] <torkiano> i don't know if it is a dupe of other glade-3 bug
[20:07] <pedro_> torkiano: it was already filed upstream at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575885 and fixed there today
[20:07] <pedro_> torkiano: let's link that, thanks for reporting
[20:07] <torkiano> oh, awesome :)
[20:09] <dan-ubuntu> is anyone here having problems with channel modes in jaunty? im getting distortion in 2ch, but not 6ch, even though i am only playing stereo
[21:31] <greg-g> did other people from the 5-a-day-participants get an email from a new user?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I did not get one
[21:33] <davmor2> yeap
[21:34] <davmor2> took me a while to figure out where it had come from :)
[21:39] <YoBoY> greg-g: yes i have my copy, and same question "why is writing to me?" ^^"
[21:44] <dominiks> i was bit confused by that mail too :)
[21:46] <greg-g> that seems weird that any user can message entire groups on LP. oh well, who wants to reply to the user? someone should, but not everyone.
[22:02] <YoBoY> ^^ flood response :D
[22:53] <dominiks> good night everyone


[00:18] <unitysucks> hello
[00:18] <unitysucks> i hate unity , but i love ibintu , could i get gnome 2 on ubuntu 11.04
[00:29] <Omega> unitysucks: that's unfortunate, but this is not a support channel, try #ubuntu
[00:31] <chewyTree> Omega, Are you able to set this as a wishlist item for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/779088
[00:33] <Omega> No, but I did add ayatana design to the bug, so they can look at it.
[00:34] <chewyTree> Omega, Ok thanks.  What do you recommend i set as the status, opinion?
[00:34] <Omega> Did you report the bug?
[00:35] <Omega> (If you did, you shouldn't change it)
[00:36] <chewyTree> no i didnt, just caught my eye
[00:38] <chewyTree> Omega, Ill just set it to opinion, and then when someone comes on later ill ask for the importance to be set to wishlist
[00:39] <chewyTree> Omega, Thanks for the help though.
[01:39] <wes000000> how do i use bazaar?
[08:23] <andyrock> morning people!
[08:29] <thumper> hi andyrock
[08:29] <andyrock> thumper, hey
[08:30] <thumper> andyrock: sprinting this week, so I'll be in your TZ for a change
[08:30] <andyrock> thumper, dublin right?
[08:31] <thumper> yep
[08:31] <thumper> I'm just closing up for now, back in approx 90 minutes - morning plenaries and all
[08:32] <andyrock> thumper, i miss UDS environment! :)
[09:48] <andyrock> bye bye... i'have to go! (school exam)
[11:40] <mgedmin> indicator-datetime-preferences fails to start because of some unspecified dbus timeout; is there something I can do to file a useful bug?
[11:40] <mgedmin> "(indicator-datetime-preferences:17172): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[11:41] <mgedmin> apparently I already have a copy of indicator-datetime-preferences, started 15 minutes ago, which is not showing any windows or doing anything
[11:42] <mgedmin> strace tells me it's blocked on a futex
[11:42] <mgedmin> killing it works and lets new indicator-datetime-preferences processes start up
[11:44]  * mgedmin can't reproduce, gives up trying to make unity better, at least for today
[13:03] <Gigatroll> How can I delete Unity?
[13:03] <Gigatroll> I hate it
[13:04] <andyrock> Gigatroll, don't like it? just don't use it
[13:05] <cdbs> Gigatroll: Your nick ends with "troll" so we took your statement as a troll attempt :D
[13:05] <cdbs> andyrock: Use gnome-panel (select gnome classic session), or use gnome-shell from the gnome3-team PPA
[13:06] <cdbs> andyrock: use kde by installing kubuntu-desktop, use xfce by installing xubuntu-desktop or use lxde by installing lubuntu-desktop. With ubuntu you have a ton of choices, just pick one
[13:06] <Gigatroll> cdbs: Thanks
[13:06] <cdbs> Gigatroll: what do you hate in Unity? Could you please elaborate?
[13:07] <Gigatroll> I can't find my apps, the dock gets in the way, i can't find the admin or preferences menu
[13:08] <Gigatroll> and it doesn't seem to respect my metacity tweak to have the window icons on the right
[13:08] <cdbs> Gigatroll: you have System Settings in the shutdown menu
[13:08] <Gigatroll> ah ok, I see... but why are they there?
[13:08] <cdbs> Gigatroll: finding apps is easier with the applications lense, I find it faster to find apps, it just needs a bit of getting used to
[13:08] <Gigatroll> so I need to type?
[13:09] <andyrock> cdbs, i don't hate unity... i am helping with bitesize and backlog bugs!
[13:09] <andyrock> ;)
[13:09] <cdbs> andyrock: oops, mistake, blame the inability to multitask in the human brain :)
[13:10] <cdbs> andyrock: do a /whois of me and you'll understand how I know you and how you know me :)
[13:10] <andyrock> andyrock, i know you! Bilal (i don't know if it is the right way to write it!)
[13:11] <cdbs> andyrock: now you've made a mistake by mentioning yourselves
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: yeah, you need to type
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: but its faster than nudging through menus
[13:12] <cdbs> MUCH faster
[13:12] <cdbs> and lesser irritating
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: all I do is hit the super key, type the first few letters of the name and press enter
[13:12] <andyrock> cdbs, ops... i have just finished an exam!
[13:13] <cdbs> Gigatroll: no need to get to the mouse and back on the keyboard. Everything can be done with the keyboard
[13:13] <cdbs> Gigatroll: and if you like to do things with the mouse, well, right-click the applications lense icon and select a category to be listed with apps
[13:22] <Gigatroll> cdbs: It misses one key usecase though
[13:22] <Gigatroll> A pretty important one in my view
[13:22] <cdbs> which is?
[13:22] <Gigatroll> What if I simply wanted to see what was installed?
[13:23] <Gigatroll> Now I know I could probably do this using the software centre but what if I was new to Ubuntu?
[13:23] <cdbs> Gigatroll: click on the applications lense icon, click "Show all" next to "installed applications" and there you have it, a grid of icons (not like iOS' , though) which contains icons of all applications
[13:24] <Gigatroll> Ok
[13:24] <Gigatroll> Well this is good to know
[13:24] <Gigatroll> I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years now and I felt out of my depth
[13:25] <cdbs> Gigatroll: Dig in deep, spend some time with things, and you'll like it a lot. I hate people who say no on the first impression
[13:25] <cdbs> Gigatroll: I agree unity doesn't give a very good impressing in the beginning, but once you get used to it, you won't leave it
[13:25] <Gigatroll> mmm but it did feel like a big change with very little warning
[13:25] <cdbs> give it a week's time, and you'll find yourself pressing super+number keys in windows :D
[13:26] <Gigatroll> yes that's true, people are saying they should've "introduced" it better
[13:26] <cdbs> Change is inevitable
[13:27] <cdbs> 10 years ago computers were a luxury, now they're a necessity
[13:27] <cdbs> you need to be able to do things faster

[13:28] <Gigatroll> Well I'll have to give it another go tomorrow then
[13:45] <lucazade> hi! quick question: will applet-indicators work with new gnome-panel based on gtk3?
[13:46] <cdbs> lucazade: They might work one day, but not right now
[13:47] <cdbs> lucazade: And I don't think that making them work with it, is an aim for oneiric
[13:47] <cdbs> gotta go
[13:47] <lucazade> cdbs: thanks for info..
[14:48] <jo-erlend> when I used super+num to switch an application on another workspace, it used to focus that workspace. That no longer happens here. Is that by design?
[17:47] <TheMuso> Kaleo: I'm just building your unity s3 a11y snapshot on Oneiric, and will test tomorrow morning or tonight if I get a chance, hoewver I would like to talk to you about the launcher, and a few things I'd like to do to convey the state of launcher icons textually.


[19:40] <bcurtiswx_> maco, have you worked with sourceforge at all before?
[19:41] <maco> i once tried to commit a patch that had been accepted into the SVN for gsynaptics in sourceforge.jp and had the sourceforge.jp admin confused on why it wouldnt work. thats about it
[19:42] <bcurtiswx_> i want to take my local svn project and add it to sourceforge, but a svn merge skips files :( idk how to get the whole entire thing to go to sourceforge
[19:43] <bcurtiswx_> its the sourceforge svn at revision 0
[19:43] <bcurtiswx_> then mine at revision 254
[19:50] <bcurtiswx_> nvm, seems like things are down that would help me ATM
[19:50] <maco> why do you want to use svn?
[19:55] <bcurtiswx_> because I currently have an SVN repo
[20:24] <bcurtiswx_> maco, TOI a possibility for you tomorrow?
[20:25] <maco> no
[20:25] <maco> friend's birthday
[20:25] <maco> plus shmoocon
[20:25] <bcurtiswx_> kk
[20:25] <maco> plus helping birthday-friend's brother move into the apt complex bday-friend and i live in