[12:12] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: well, you'll have to do it on a per browser basis. Well, there might be another way that's global, but it'd be tricky/advanced, and I can't remember the darned file it would be :)
[12:13] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: i think its /etc/hosts.deny but its not working
[12:13] <pollyo> usamahashimi: Are you looking for some type of parental control system?
[12:14] <genii> dansguardian/squid comes to mind
[12:14] <dwidmann> elitehacker: seeing as you need to do this in the terminal, might as well give you some command line linux 101. ls = list files, cd <directory> = change to <directory> directory, chmod = change permissions, ./ = sh = run a command with the default shell
[12:15] <usamahashimi> pollyo: yes
[12:15] <genii> !info dansguardian | dwidman
[12:15] <ubotu> dwidman: dansguardian: Web content filtering. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 1464 kB
[12:15] <genii> arg
[12:15] <dwidmann> hrm?
[12:15] <genii> !info dansguardian | usamahashimi
[12:15] <ubotu> usamahashimi: dansguardian: Web content filtering. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 1464 kB
[12:15] <genii> rather
[12:16] <genii> dwidmann: Sorry
[12:16] <dwidmann> 'salright
[12:16] <genii> :)
[12:17] <genii> usamahashimi: For a good setup guide on it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207008
[12:18] <usamahashimi> genii: thanks lemme check it
[12:24] <soulrider> !info usp
[12:24] <ubotu> Package usp does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:37] <Edulix> hi
[12:44] <marcus> 'soir  tous :D
[12:46] <DaSkreech> marcus: French?
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> !fr
[12:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: yup
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> evening everyone :)
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: didn't catch what he said
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ^^
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Is that just a statement or is he asking something
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> statement
[12:48] <marcus> sorry, thought it was a frensch speaking chanel here ;)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Nope mostly English though we do allow Nerdic
[12:48] <marcus> in fact ubuntu is configurated in french .... so ...
[12:50] <marcus> Nerdic .... that must be your mothertongue ?
[12:50] <dc> err
[12:51] <DaSkreech> Yup :-)
[12:52] <DaSkreech> CaptainApathy: meet Admiral_Chicago
[12:52] <DaSkreech> Admiral. Captain
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there CaptainApathy
[12:55] <chalmer> ? about dual boot set-up w/ windows
[12:55] <norealgravity> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amNRUVBR438
[12:57] <chalmer> help a question about dual boot set-up w/ windows ?
[12:57] <mzanfardino> I'm trying to set up a directory on my kubuntu box to share with a windows box.  I've installed smb4k and I can reach the windows box just fine from kubuntu.  However, when I attempt to create a share from "sharing - system settings" the config screen is grey (even after I input my administrator password).  Any tips?
[12:59] <Black_Cat> chalmer: kubuntu sets this up automatically if windows exists on system, so what's the prob?
[01:01] <chalmer> when i insert tha Kubuntu dvd, to install a dual boot conf. will it auto, reconize my windows partition and create a partition for Kubu, with out over write'n my windows
[01:01] <crackrat> I just installed kubuntu recently, and it seems to be running slower than windows was.  If I recompile the kernel, will that speed it up?
[01:04] <chalmer> will Kubuntu reconize my sata drive to install it for a dual boot? or will i need a 3rd party driver for it during install?
[01:05] <waylandbill> crackrat: an optimized kernel is faster
[01:05] <Black_Cat> hey, and where are xine extracodecs? i don't see them anywhere! what do i install to get mp3-support?
[01:05] <Black_Cat> (for dapper drake release)
[01:05] <chalmer> will Kubuntu reconize my sata drive to install it for a dual boot? or will i need a 3rd party driver for it during install?
[01:06] <waylandbill> !sata
[01:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:06] <mzanfardino> looking to share a directory to a windows box. I have smb installed and I can connect to the windows share, but I can't seem to share my directory with windows...
[01:06] <mzanfardino> I have sata drive.  no extra driver required.
[01:07] <waylandbill> chalmer: check the forums
[01:07] <eilker> ! CoolnQuiet
[01:07] <eilker> !CoolnQuiet
[01:08] <chalmer> mzanfardino> i was wondering b/c windows i had to insert a floppy w/ the Sata drivers
[01:08] <waylandbill> mzanfardino: no guest access. must have account and password and must use smbpasswd to create it
[01:08] <DaSkreech> chalmer: It should see it
[01:09] <DaSkreech> chalmer: What version of SATA?
[01:09] <mzanfardino> chalmer: kubuntu made no such requirements.  My BIOS supported the drive and everything worked out of the box.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | Black_Cat
[01:09] <ubotu> Black_Cat: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:09] <autumn> leave
[01:09] <autumn> shoot
[01:09] <autumn> sorry
[01:09] <mzanfardino> waylandbill: sorry, don't quite follow your response.  Care to ellaborate?
[01:09] <autumn> forgot the slash, Im a newbie
[01:09] <mzanfardino> waylandbill: ah, after re-reading I think I might follow
[01:09] <DaSkreech> I have a friend named autumn
[01:10] <autumn> yeah?
[01:10] <DaSkreech> She's in the hospital now though
[01:10] <autumn> it's not a common name
[01:10] <autumn> that sucks
[01:10] <autumn> is she okay?
[01:10] <Hc\\> any1 awake?
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Well not her. Her Dad but she's living in the hospital
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Nope
[01:10] <DaSkreech> zzZZZZ
[01:10] <autumn> oooh
[01:10] <Hc\\> i need some help
[01:11] <DaSkreech> .o0(Penguins ravaging Stock markets)
[01:11] <Hc\\> i've installed ubuntu before
[01:11] <autumn> well bye guys
[01:11] <chalmer> DaSkreech > will it also give me tha option to create a dual boot w/ windows?
[01:11] <Hc\\> but i cannot instal kubuntu no
[01:11] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: Whoot!
[01:11] <Hc\\> w
[01:11] <Hc\\> just wondering that wtf should i open?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> chalmer: You have two drives?
[01:11] <Hc\\> yes
[01:11] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: is ubuntu installed?
[01:11] <Hc\\> DaSkreech nop
[01:11] <Hc\\> lost the cd
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: You have the kubuntu CD?
[01:12] <Hc\\> i got on my other hdd windows
[01:12] <sony> hello
[01:12] <Hc\\> i dl:ed from sites
[01:12] <Hc\\> and made a img cd of the file
[01:12] <Hc\\> s
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: A img cd?
[01:12] <Hc\\> yes
[01:12] <sony> does anyone know how i can make ubuntu look like a mac
[01:12] <Hc\\> a bootable
[01:12] <Black_Cat> ubotu: outdated info there. something has happened about libxine-extracodecs, no more even hyperlinks there
[01:12] <sony> or where i can find themes
[01:12] <sony> for ubuntu
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: and it boots?
[01:12] <Hc\\> yes
[01:13] <DaSkreech> sony: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:13] <Hc\\> but it looks different than in ubuntus instal
[01:13] <sony> ubu
[01:13] <chalmer> DaSkreech > yes , i got 3 Sata 250 gig. 1 drive has my windows os and the other 2 are my music storage
[01:13] <DaSkreech> chalmer: Which one do you want to install Kubuntu on?
[01:13] <sony> i have ubuntu 6.06
[01:13] <Hc\\> how can i instal kubuntu on my second hdd what has 3parts
[01:13] <DaSkreech> sony: have you asked in #ubuntu ?
[01:13] <Hc\\> 2ntfs
[01:13] <Black_Cat> DaSkreech:  outdated info there. something has happened about libxine-extracodecs, no more even hyperlinks there
[01:13] <Hc\\> and 1unallocated
[01:13] <Dasnipa`> sony, gdesklets i think is pretty mac'ish
[01:14] <sony> is kubuntu better or ubuntu?
[01:14] <chijin> sony: yes
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: How different?
[01:14] <Dasnipa`> sony, the difference is kubuntu is KDE and ubuntu is gnome... internally they are otherwise the same
[01:14] <Hc\\> i gotta do something by myself
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Black_Cat: do you have multiverse installed?
[01:14] <Hc\\> :D
[01:14] <Black_Cat> i hope mpeglib will help, otherwise i'm lost...
[01:14] <sony> ahh fuck
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Enabled sorry
[01:14] <Hc\\> cant remember so much anymore
[01:14] <sony> i think i liike kde
[01:14] <Hc\\> ovr 1y ago i installed
[01:14] <sony> i installed it w/ gnome
[01:14] <Dasnipa`> sony, you can go to kde easily... apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <chalmer> DaSkreech > on the same drive w/ windows
[01:15] <Dasnipa`> and then you log out and relog with kde
[01:15] <DaSkreech> sony: You can choose which one you want when you login under the sessions button
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: What's different?
[01:15] <Hc\\> DaSkreech acculy, i dunno anymore :D
[01:15] <DaSkreech> chalmer: I'd advise defragging the windows drive
[01:15] <sony> oh
[01:15] <Hc\\> n its in eng
[01:15] <DaSkreech> chalmer: How much space do you have on it?
[01:15] <sony> vista sux!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:16] <Black_Cat> DaSkreech: you mean selected in repositories manager? i certainly do, and i've performed the update 15 mins ago
[01:16] <makuseru> no need for that sony
[01:16] <sony> sory
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Black_Cat: But no libxine-extracodecs?
[01:16] <makuseru> sony: i mean i agree, but no need to shout it out
[01:16] <sony> ok ok
[01:16] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: Is it a live Cd?
[01:16] <chalmer> DaSkreech > i got 160 gig of free space left on the windows xp drive
[01:16] <Hc\\> DaSkreech no idea
[01:17] <DaSkreech> chalmer: Ah ok then yes it's pretty easy :-)
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: You haven't tried it yet?
[01:17] <Hc\\> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php
[01:17] <Black_Cat> DaSkreech: i'm sure they aint there, but i'll check again now
[01:17] <Hc\\> dl from sweden
[01:17] <sony> ubuntu 6.06 works w/ my wireless, 6.10 doesnt anyone know why
[01:17] <Black_Cat> DaSkreech: they've just vanished...
[01:18] <makuseru> sony: were gunna need more of a description than that
[01:18] <sony> i dont know it just does
[01:18] <Black_Cat> i wonder can it be missing only on local (russian) repository but be present on others?
[01:18] <sony> 6.06 awesome wireless, 6.10 wont recognize i was kinda dissapointed
[01:19] <Hc\\> DaSkreech n the live cd differs?
[01:19] <chalmer> DaSkreech > i will not have to manually create the partitions for Kubuntu will i? i mean will it reconize the windows partition and give me the option to create a dual boot set-up with out me manually have'n to do it?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Black_Cat: do you have libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> chalmer: Yes it will. however you may want to allocate the space yourself
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Black_Cat: Highly unlikely
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: Did you get the Desktop Cd?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> !wifi | sony
[01:20] <ubotu> sony: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:21] <sony> thanks
[01:21] <Hc\\> DaSkreech i downloaded the iso cd image
[01:22] <Hc\\> thats all what that says O.o
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: really?  The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:26] <DaSkreech> chalmer: there is a button that says "figure all that out for me" So you don't have to. I'm just saying maybe you want to
[01:26] <Black_Cat> okay
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: again are you sure you burnt the right image
[01:27] <Hc\\> DaSkreech no
[01:27] <DaSkreech>  what's the name of the file you downloaded?
[01:27] <chalmer> DaSkreech > ok ty
[01:27] <Hc\\> i have no clue anymore how to burn
[01:27] <Hc\\> DaSkreech sec, starting windows
[01:27] <DaSkreech> chalmer: are you using the Desktop Cd?
[01:28] <Hc\\> DaSkreech file name, kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-amd64
[01:28] <Hc\\> its in a "packed" folder
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: What did you use to burn it?
[01:28] <Hc\\> nero
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: how? Did you burn a Data CD?
[01:29] <Hc\\> umm
[01:29] <Hc\\> sec
[01:29] <philphoto> anyone help me with a command line?  trying to install synaptic.  is it "sudo apt-get install synaptic"  ?
[01:29] <DaSkreech> philphoto: yup
[01:29] <philphoto> I did it right?
[01:30] <philphoto> holy cow.
[01:30] <DaSkreech> philphoto: That is correct
[01:30] <philphoto> that's the first one I've written CORRECTLY.
[01:30] <DaSkreech> Apt-get has super cow powers
[01:30] <philphoto> thanks!
[01:30] <Hc\\> =)
[01:31] <Hc\\> DaSkreech i made a bootable data disc
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: Nope no need
[01:31] <DaSkreech> You have Nero open?
[01:31] <Hc\\> DaSkreech i got nero express 6
[01:31] <Hc\\> old
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Is it open?
[01:32] <Hc\\> yees
[01:32] <Hc\\> :D
[01:32] <Hc\\> sry
[01:32] <Hc\\> soon bin awake 24h
[01:32] <DaSkreech> ok look under recorder I think
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Where you can erase CDRWs
[01:32] <DaSkreech> I think there is an option there for Burn Disc image
[01:33] <Hc\\> burn image on cd?
[01:33] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[01:33] <Hc\\> i try to translate it from finnish to english
[01:33] <DaSkreech> Something to that effect :)
[01:33] <Hc\\> open
[01:33] <DaSkreech> When you click it should open a Box asking you where the image is?
[01:33] <Hc\\> then ywsa
[01:33] <Hc\\> yes
[01:34] <DaSkreech> find the kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:34] <DaSkreech> and choose it
[01:34] <Hc\\> found
[01:34] <DaSkreech> You should be good after that's finished burning
[01:34] <Hc\\> my last cd
[01:34] <Hc\\> then i have to go for dvd:s :S
[01:35] <DaSkreech> eek
[01:35] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: I would say sleep for 24 h then go buy more Cds ;-)
[01:36] <Hc\\> DaSkreech how many do i need?
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Uno
[01:36] <Hc\\> uno more?
[01:36] <DaSkreech> I don't know how to say one in Finnish :-(
[01:36] <Hc\\> yksi
[01:36] <Hc\\> in finnish
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: No You just need one
[01:36] <Hc\\> ok
[01:36] <DaSkreech> yksi then :)
[01:36] <Hc\\> huh
[01:36] <Hc\\> where do u come from?
[01:36] <Hc\\> if i may ask
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Jamaica
[01:37] <Hc\\> oohh, some1 is having it warm
[01:37] <Hc\\> weve had rly warm now for the past few days 10celsius on the daytime =)
[01:37] <Hc\\> bin in t-shirt and jeans out =)
[01:37] <DaSkreech> We have had rain
[01:38] <morvok_> its suppose to snow here I think.. again.
[01:38] <Hc\\> DaSkreech and now?
[01:38] <Hc\\> when it's burned
[01:38] <Hc\\> going to snow next week i think
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: Oh it's done?
[01:39] <Hc\\> yes
[01:39] <DaSkreech> That was quick
[01:39] <DaSkreech> reboot :)
[01:39] <Hc\\> 2min
[01:39] <Hc\\> for burning
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Whoops gotta go
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Let me know if it gives you a menu
[01:40] <Hc\\> i will
[01:40] <Hc\\> btw, i can use windows and linux on the same computer?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:40] <DaSkreech> not at the same time unless you have a new Processor
[01:40] <BluesKaj> aha , a soumalainen in da house !
[01:40] <Hc\\> how to choose which one to use?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> It will ask when you turn on the computer
[01:41] <Hc\\> BluesKaj ainaki yks nobo tl
[01:41] <Hc\\> ok
[01:41] <Hc\\> yay
[01:41] <Hc\\> now it looks more familiar
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Hc\\: menu?
[01:41] <Hc\\> DaSkreech yes
[01:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[01:41] <DaSkreech> I'm gone
[01:41] <Hc\\> DaSkreech thx for help =)
[01:41] <BluesKaj> not a soumalainen anymore Hc\\ , I haven't been for almost 60 yrs :)
[01:42] <coty> DaSkreech: ................
[01:42] <PimpMaggot> hello
[01:42] <Hc\\> 60?
[01:42] <Hc\\> :D
[01:42] <coty> DaSkreech: face-----------> x_x
[01:42] <PimpMaggot> im new to this
[01:42] <BluesKaj> yup, old Canadaian now ...but I was born In Kaavi .. 1943
[01:43] <PimpMaggot> how do you switch channels
[01:43] <Hc\\> kaavi?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:43] <Hc\\> where is it?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> about150km North of Helsinki
[01:44] <Hc\\> i live in helsinki =)
[01:45] <BluesKaj> so do a lot of my realtives whom I've never met
[01:45] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[01:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:45] <BluesKaj> hehe
[01:46] <BluesKaj> as if it's busy in here
[01:46] <Ashfire908> hi
[01:49] <ubuntu_> Hello, I am a newbie, and I am trying to get kubuntu installed. I am having trouble trying to partion my HD,
[01:49] <ubuntu_> I was wondering if anyone here could help
[01:50] <BluesKaj> are using the live cd
[01:50] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:50] <CaptainApathy> me?
[01:50] <Hc\\> can some1 tell me what live cd is?
[01:51] <soulrider> ubuntu_: it would be a good idea to change your name, to do so, type /nick <new nickname>
[01:51] <BluesKaj> Hc\\ , you run the OS off the cd rather than installed on the HDD
[01:51] <soulrider> Hc\\: a live CD is a CD with kubuntu you put on your drive and then reboot, but instead of loading windows, your PC loads Kubuntu form the CD
[01:51] <soulrider> you can use it to try out ubuntu without touching your hard drives at all
[01:52] <Hc\\> thx
[01:52] <ubuntu_> Yeah, I go through the install process, then I ge to step 5, and I need to create a new partion because I want to do a dual boot with windows xp
[01:52] <Hc\\> umm, why is this saying that "No root file system is defined"
[01:52] <Hc\\> on partitions
[01:53] <soulrider> Hc\\: you using the live CD to install
[01:53] <soulrider> ubuntu_: hold on just a sec please
[01:53] <Hc\\> soulrider yes
[01:53] <ubuntu_> thanks
[01:53] <soulrider> ok, Hc\\ did you make your partitions the way you want them to be
[01:53] <soulrider> ?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> hey ubuntu, I suggest you use a differnt nick
[01:54] <Hc\\> soulrider yes, i got now 63 gig for linux
[01:54] <jack222> this better?
[01:54] <Hc\\> ys
[01:54] <soulrider> yea jack222
[01:55] <Hc\\> and all should be ok
[01:55] <soulrider> Hc\\: you see how it shows the partitions now ?
[01:55] <Hc\\> yes
[01:55] <soulrider> and something next to them
[01:55] <jack222> Ok, I get to step 5, but I dont know what option to choose....
[01:55] <BluesKaj> ok jack , good cuz ppl who don't enter a nick before joining default to the name ubuntu...we've had 3-4 of them in here at the same time
[01:55] <soulrider> you need to make the partition you want ubuntu on say /
[01:55] <Hc\\> yes
[01:55] <Hc\\> correct
[01:55] <soulrider> uhm
[01:55] <Hc\\> i got one done
[01:55] <soulrider> im so bad explaining this
[01:56] <BluesKaj> jack222 , list the options pls
[01:56] <soulrider> Hc\\: heres how it goes
[01:56] <soulrider> you need a partition for swap and one for root
[01:56] <soulrider> toor = /
[01:56] <soulrider> root*
[01:56] <intelikey> hmmm i'm having a bit of a problem with modprobe  E: QM_FUNCTION not supported.    can't use modprobe...   ?
[01:56] <soulrider> does it say somehting about selecting mountpoints ?
[01:56] <Hc\\> i gotta make 2 parts for linuc
[01:56] <Hc\\> ?
[01:56] <vip_> Hello guys, im having a little problem atm.. Im running programupdate in a fresh install and now both the "lines" have frozen.. (top and bottom bar) any idea why?
[01:56] <Hc\\> kubuntu
[01:57] <pbcustom98> anyone know a good .flac player?
[01:57] <jack222> ok, here they are
[01:57] <soulrider> Hc\\: right
[01:57] <BluesKaj> a linux partition is commonly called an "ext" partition, jack222
[01:57] <soulrider> one of the partitions is where you want to install
[01:57] <jackster_> HELLO
[01:57] <soulrider> and a small partition, like a 1gb one, for swap
[01:57] <Hc\\> what is that mount point?
[01:57] <soulrider> hi jack222
[01:57] <Hc\\> soulrider
[01:57] <soulrider> jackster_:
[01:58] <jack222> 1- resize IDE1 master, parion #1 (hda1) and use freed space
[01:58] <jackster_> wat are we talking about
[01:58] <jackster_> ?????
[01:58] <soulrider> Hc\\: its there on your sistem that partition will be
[01:58] <Hc\\> ok, ty
[01:58] <jack222> (2) Erase entire disk (hda) *I am almost sure I dont want to do this one*
[01:58] <soulrider> Hc\\: sorry if i suck at explaining this
[01:58] <jack222> (3) Use the largest continous free space
[01:58] <jack222> and finally (4) Manually edit partion table
[01:59] <jackster_> m
[01:59] <jack222> blueskaj - can I PM you
[01:59] <Hc\\> soulrider you do it great! =)
[01:59] <soulrider> Hc\\: i dont >.<
[02:00] <BluesKaj> ok jack222
[02:00] <jack222> I says I cant, I am not registered, maybe if you pm me first?
[02:00] <Hc\\> soulrider what should i put to the location for the new partition
[02:00] <Hc\\> ?
[02:01] <soulrider> well Hc\\ you will want a partition for / and one for swap
[02:01] <intelikey> i installed 'modutils' which supplies the "modprobe" command, no errors all deps are up to snuff,  but modprobe does not work.   anyone got a clue-by-four to hit me with ?
[02:01] <soulrider> thats all that you really need
[02:01] <soulrider> Hc\\: those two partitions will be formatted
[02:02] <soulrider> so choose carefuly!
[02:02] <pbcustom98> anyone know a good .flac player?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> jack222 , #4 is your best option
[02:02] <soulrider> !flac
[02:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:02] <soulrider> pbcustom98: check out those links, maybe they got an answe
[02:03] <jack222> Ok, I tried that, but I dont know what to do after tha
[02:03] <jack222> blues, tha chat thing still wont let me talk to you
[02:04] <vip_> Anyone that got time to help me alittle?
[02:05] <Hc\\> still saying
[02:05] <Hc\\> "no root file system is defined. please correct this from the partitoning menu
[02:05] <Hc\\> still saying that -.-
[02:06] <xerroz> why would both Konqy and KTorrent not be able to access the internet when it is active?
[02:06] <jack222> Ok, I selected option #4
[02:06] <BluesKaj> if you run the manual partition table jack222, it will guide you thru the steps of preserving ntfs (windows) partition and resizing  to make room for the linux-ext and the linux swap partitions
[02:08] <MukiEX> Anyone here use a wacom pad?
[02:08] <vit__> hey
[02:08] <vit__> anybody can help me??!?!
[02:08] <vit__> I need a gib favor
[02:08] <vit__> big
[02:08] <vit__> I need a big favor
[02:08] <Admiral_Chicago> ask again please
[02:08] <vit__> admiral...
[02:09] <vit__> can you help me??
[02:09] <vit__> anybody can help me??!?!
[02:09] <jack222> I selected #4 and it is showing 3 different forms of storage, the one I want is the one that is 104gigs, but I dont know how to partion part of this
[02:09] <vit__> hey
[02:09] <vit__> anybody can help me??!?!
[02:09] <BluesKaj> vit__, just ask your question
[02:09] <jack222> SHould I select that one and select resize or something?
[02:10] <vit__> hi blueKaj
[02:10] <BluesKaj> how big is your whole HDD , jack222 ?
[02:10] <vit__> how r u?
[02:11] <vit__> i need install a program
[02:11] <jack222> 104 gigs, and I have like 40 gigs free, and I wan to dedicate 15 of those 40 gigs dedicated to linux
[02:11] <vit__> but i don't kno how!!!
[02:11] <CaptainApathy> some data got damaged in a hard drive fix in windows... is there a tool on the live cd that could help me restore the data?
[02:11] <jackster> wat program vit
[02:12] <vit__> jackster
[02:12] <vit__> java
[02:12] <jackster> ya wat
[02:12] <jackster> oh
[02:12] <jackster> were did you download it from
[02:12] <vit__> but I don't know how tio do that??
[02:13] <vit__> I downloaded it from www.acrobat.com
[02:13] <vit__> it's a linux version
[02:13] <jackster> do u have linux
[02:13] <BluesKaj> ok jack222 ,since you have only windows on the HDD , you need to resize it first , then reformat the the remaining to linux -ext and linux swap ...the swap file can be 500MB since your linux partitionis 15G
[02:14] <vit__> yes i have linux
[02:14] <jackster> i sort of have no idea how
[02:14] <jackster> because i havent
[02:14] <Sanne> vit_, jackster: java is in the ubuntu repositories, in universe
[02:14] <vit__> hmmm
[02:14] <jackster> huh?
[02:15] <vit__>  I knew that... i need to install java..
[02:15] <jackster> wellclik on the icon
[02:16] <vit__> i did
[02:16] <vit__> but nothing happens
[02:16] <jackster> ok wat does it say
[02:16] <vit__> ???
[02:17] <soulrider> vit__: do you know about repos ?
[02:17] <soulrider> !repos | vit__
[02:17] <ubotu> vit__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:17] <vit__> nothing...
[02:17] <soulrider> i suggets you read that, it will help you understand how installing works here
[02:17] <jackster> ????????????????????????????????????????????
[02:17] <soulrider> so much easier that in windows
[02:17] <vit__> yes???
[02:17] <jackster> true
[02:17] <Sanne> jackster: what's the matter?
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> !k9copy
[02:17] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:18] <jackster> so confusing u peple are
[02:18] <vit__> THANK YOU SOULRIDER
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> that doesn't make sense...
[02:18] <soulrider> vit__: i know theres a manual that explain how installing and stuff works here
[02:18] <soulrider> let me find it
[02:18] <jackster> this chat sucks
[02:18] <soulrider> not really
[02:18] <vit__> OK!!!!!
[02:19] <jackster> wat does irc stand for?
[02:19] <soulrider> internet relay chat
[02:19] <jackster> huh?
[02:19] <jackster> wat does that mean
[02:19] <IPx-> What's the difference between beryl xgl, aigl and nvidia?
[02:19] <jackster> no idea
[02:20] <vit__> JACKSTER... where are you from?
[02:20] <Sanne> jackster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[02:20] <jackster> canada
[02:20] <Hc\\> smoke
[02:20] <Hc\\> ->
[02:20] <jackster> thanks sanne
[02:20] <IPx-> Does anyone know?
[02:20] <Sanne> jackster: you're welcome :)
[02:20] <soulrider> vit__: read this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement it may seem a bit long, but its SO useful!
[02:20] <vit__> jajaja my little sister says HELLO TO EVERYBODY!!!
[02:21] <jackster> yay
[02:21] <vit__> THANK YOU SOULRIDER....
[02:21] <IPx-> !beryl
[02:21] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:21] <vit__> YOU SAVE MY LIVE!!!!
[02:21] <jackster> is all we talk about computers
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm looking at helping this guy. running 64 bit but in 32 bit enviroment
[02:22] <Admiral_Chicago> should he get a 32 bit repo or 64 bit
[02:22] <jackster> mmm
[02:22] <jackster> i like cheese
[02:22] <Tm_T> vit__: no need to yell
[02:22] <vit__> ME TOO
[02:22] <soulrider> jackster: this is a channel about computers..... you thought it was somethign else ?
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:23] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !caps
[02:23] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:23] <vit__> WHAT DO YOU SAY???
[02:23] <soulrider> vit__: please, dont use caps
[02:23] <vit__> Tm_T
[02:23] <jackster> how can u make new chanels
[02:23] <vit__> ok... excuse me
[02:23] <Ashfire908> jackster, just join an unused channel
[02:23] <Ashfire908> you will then be an op in it
[02:23] <Sanne> soulrider: that is a great page you linked to, the one about software management. Very good overview, good to know when helping people. Thanks.
[02:23] <vit__> hey soul... where r u from?
[02:24] <Ashfire908> if you wish to use the channel regually, register it with chanserv
[02:24] <jackster> there are no other chanels
[02:24] <Ashfire908> ?
[02:24] <Ashfire908> huh
[02:24] <posingaspopular> jackster, /j #channame
[02:25] <posingaspopular> are you looking for one specifically?
[02:25] <jackster> no
[02:25] <Ashfire908> posingaspopular, not every client supports /j
[02:25] <BluesKaj> he must be using Konversation, no serverlist
[02:25] <posingaspopular> Ashfire908, ah right,
[02:25] <jackster> ya
[02:25] <Ashfire908> jackster, what channel would you like to use
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago>  /join #channel is usually the command to use posingaspopular
[02:25] <jackster> no serverlist
[02:25] <Ashfire908> oh
[02:25] <lewix> whenever i turn on my computer i have 2 version of kubuntu, is it normal?
[02:26] <lewix> 11 and 10
[02:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , one is safemode ?
[02:26] <nagyv> hello! I would like to play a game (freecol), but not full screen. It is a java game, is there a possibility to require it to run in a window?
[02:26] <Hc\\> BluesKaj btw, kubuntu is installed on which one? ext3 or swap?
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> lewix: different kernels
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> thats normal
[02:27] <Hc\\> if none, then i've missed it totally :D
[02:27] <lewix> Admiral_Chicago, how come
[02:27] <BluesKaj> Hc\\, ext3
[02:27] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago, i thought you were afk, you are on aim
[02:27] <Hc\\> BluesKaj whats the swap then?
[02:28] <lewix> Admiral_Chicago, is it due to apt--get upgrade?
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> posingaspopular: yea need to shower. brb.
[02:28] <BluesKaj> !swap
[02:28] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> lewix: yes, some kernels work better with some wireless devices, newer ones have bug fixes (but may open new bugs) etc
[02:28] <jackster> every one gotto chanel #stuff
[02:29] <jackster> fr
[02:29] <jackster> hjkh
[02:29] <jackster> '
[02:29] <lewix> Admiral_Chicago, which one should I use?
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> lewix: i'd say the latest one
[02:29] <Hc\\> BluesKaj ty
[02:29] <philphoto> ok folks, another problem.  I don't know how major or minor.  I ran this command & didn't mean to:
[02:29] <lewix> Admiral_Chicago, how do I know which one I'm using right now
[02:30] <philphoto> "sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[02:30] <jackster> cx
[02:30] <philphoto> is there a way I can uninstall all that stuff I just downloaded?
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> lewix: in konsole, type 'uname-r'
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> no quotes
[02:30] <coty> can some tell me how i would make more swap
[02:30] <coty> my computer keeps freezing and shutting down
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> philphoto: hit up on the arrow keys....
[02:31] <philphoto> and...
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> change 'install' with remove
[02:31] <lewix> thanks 11
[02:31] <philphoto> that's it?
[02:31] <kristjan_> does tango icon theme come for kde also?
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> kristjan_: no
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> philphoto: yes
[02:33] <philphoto> it makes so much sense...
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, well *nix is that way
[02:34] <philphoto> you have to forgive me, I'm newly Linux-ed.  still in the Win mindset of everything must be hard or impossible for a mere mortal to accomplish
[02:34] <Mezal> ciao a tutti
[02:35] <Mezal> nessuna italiana???
[02:35] <Mezal> :D
[02:35] <BluesKaj> I'm pretty close to total migration , but I still haven't worked up the nerve to sail my ship out of sight of the bill gates wharf :P
[02:36] <Lamington> Can I post a question about Konversation in here on the off chance someone might have an answer ?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> !it | Mezal
[02:36] <ubotu> Mezal: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:36] <Mezal> aaaaaaaah
[02:36] <Mezal> capio
[02:36] <BluesKaj> Lamington , go ahead
[02:36] <Lamington> Well... I put someone on ignore right
[02:36] <Lamington> But they dont stay ignored
[02:37] <Lamington> When I check my ignore list, they are no longer ignored
[02:37] <BluesKaj> all on the lisyt or just one nick ?
[02:38] <Lamington> just one nick
[02:38] <Lamington> but any nick the same person uses
[02:38] <just-this-time> cloned an dual boot install windows and ubuntu boot
[02:38] <hawk_> what is a good mount tool
[02:39] <hawk_> gui i mean
[02:39] <vit__> how can i install mozilla firefoz to linux?
[02:39] <Lamington> vit_ you using kubuntu ?
[02:39] <just-this-time> only ubuntu does not see DVD and CD drives where is the dev to be found for optical drives annd whaat is an convenient mount point
[02:40] <just-this-time> !mount
[02:40] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:40] <vit__> yes
[02:40] <just-this-time> !DiskMounter
[02:40] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[02:40] <vit__> why?
[02:40] <hawk_> idiskmounter
[02:40] <hawk_> !diskmounter
[02:40] <Lamington> vit_ Open Adept and type 'Firefox' in the search box
[02:41] <vit__> ok... let me see
[02:41] <hawk_> !DiskMounter
[02:41] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[02:42] <jarn> This isn't a Linux question, but does anyone know where the different options for google searches (inurl, etc.) are documented?
[02:42] <vit__> hey nothing happens lamington
[02:42] <Lamington> vit_ ?
[02:43] <vit__> i opened Adept
[02:43] <vit__> typed firefox
[02:43] <hawk_> !fuse
[02:43] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:43] <vit__> and din't found anything
[02:44] <vit__> can you help me please?
[02:44] <chijin> !ntfs-3g
[02:44] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:44] <hawk_> how do i mount ntfs partionions i have down loaded the drivers
[02:45] <Lamington> vit_ Click on the 'Adept' menu, then click on 'manage repositories'
[02:47] <Lamington> vit_ ?
[02:47] <vit__> ok
[02:48] <vit__> now?
[02:48] <Lamington> vit_ are any of your repositories greyed out - that is, are they disabled ?
[02:49] <Lamington> vit_ the list of sources you can see - are any of them disabled ?
[02:50] <vit__> yes
[02:51] <Lamington> vit_ Ok, enable your universe & multiverse sources by right-clicking on them and choosing 'enable'
[02:52] <Lamington> vit_ basically enable all of them
[02:52] <Lamington> any that are greyed out
[02:53] <vit__> all of them?
[02:53] <vit__> thera are too many!!
[02:53] <Lamington> vit_ just the ones that are not enabled
[02:54] <vit__> ok...
[02:54] <vit__> i'm ready
[02:54] <vit__> then?
[02:55] <Lamington> vit_ Ok, click on the 'apply' button down the bottom (dont know if you actually have to but lets just do that anyway)
[02:55] <vit__> ok
[02:55] <vit__> ready
[02:55] <Lamington> vit_ Now, back up the top click on 'fetch updates'
[02:56] <vit__> it's downloading something
[02:57] <vit__> ready!!!!
[02:57] <Lamington> vit_ It will update your sources information
[02:57] <vit__> yes
[02:57] <vit__> it finish
[02:57] <vit__> now?
[02:57] <Hc\\> hey
[02:57] <Hc\\> now
[02:57] <Lamington> vit_ Now in the Adept menu, click on 'manage repositories' again to take you back to the main window
[02:58] <hawk_> what is the file system command for ntfs the web site says nls=utf8 but it comes back say it dos not work
[02:58] <soulrider> !repos
[02:58] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:58] <soulrider> that shows how to enable universe and multiverse
[02:58] <soulrider> with pictures! :D
[02:58] <vit__> ok
[02:58] <vit__> then?
[02:58] <Lamington> soulrider: :)
[02:58] <Lamington> vit_ search for firefox again
[02:58] <soulrider> vit__: did you read this?
[02:58] <soulrider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[02:59] <Hc\\> lol
[02:59] <vit__> I Found it!!!!!
[02:59] <vit__> jajaja
[02:59] <hawk_> !ntfs
[02:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:59] <Hc\\> atleast i didnt format my hdd where is xp
[02:59] <vit__> thankyou so much!!!
[02:59] <vit__> Lamington...
[02:59] <Lamington> vit_ No problem
[02:59] <vit__> how can I install Java?
[02:59] <soulrider> vit__: where you from ?
[03:00] <Lamington> !java
[03:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:00] <Hc\\> soulrider if i remember right ubunto do not need av or firewall
[03:00] <Hc\\> so does kubuntu need them?
[03:00] <soulrider> Hc\\: ofcourse not
[03:00] <Hc\\> good
[03:00] <soulrider> Hc\\:
[03:01] <Hc\\> then i remember right =)
[03:01] <soulrider> ubuntua nd kubuntu are the same
[03:01] <vit__> I am using kubuntu
[03:01] <soulrider> the only thing thatc hanges
[03:01] <soulrider> is the interface
[03:01] <Hc\\> ok :D
[03:01] <vit__> ubotu
[03:01] <soulrider> vit__: hablas espa~nol, no ?
[03:01] <vit__> si
[03:01] <soulrider> me imagine :) hay un canal en espa~nol
[03:01] <soulrider> !es
[03:01] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:01] <Lamington> vit_ ubotu is a bot who can give you helpful links to answer your questions
[03:01] <hawk_> nvm diskmounter worked
[03:01] <soulrider> mejor vamos a ahi
[03:02] <soulrider> vit__: te veo en #kubuntu-es
[03:02] <vit__> hey
[03:02] <vit__> pero como hago eso?
[03:02] <soulrider> dale click a #kubuntu-es
[03:02] <vit__> listo
[03:03] <Hc\\> thx alot for help soulrider and BluesKaj
[03:03] <Hc\\> !
[03:03] <soulrider> no prob
[03:03] <soulrider> thats what were here for :)
[03:03] <soulrider> thats the point of having an IRC channel
[03:04] <soulrider> just come back when you need further help
[03:04] <Hc\\> =)
[03:04] <Hc\\> but good habbits is also needed
[03:04] <Hc\\> soulrider is it ok to idle here till need more help?
[03:05] <Hc\\> acculy
[03:05] <Hc\\> now i need help
[03:05] <Hc\\> wondering that were did ibe part go?
[03:05] <soulrider> yeah, you can idle here, i idle all the time :P
[03:05] <soulrider> ibe ?
[03:05] <Hc\\> i could find one part of 2
[03:05] <Hc\\> +the 2small ones
[03:06] <michaelpo> hi, what software do you recommend for me to extract email addresses from my excel spreadsheet or msword doc?
[03:06] <Hc\\> i lost totally 43.08gig
[03:06] <Hc\\> cant find it
[03:06] <soulrider> Hc\\: you cant find a partition ?
[03:06] <Hc\\> yes
[03:06] <Hc\\> it made 4parts from my hdd for ubuntu
[03:06] <soulrider> ok
[03:07] <Hc\\> 2x <2gig
[03:07] <Hc\\> one 28gig
[03:07] <Hc\\> and one 43
[03:07] <Hc\\> gig
[03:07] <soulrider> you were careful enough so thatt he partitioon didnt get formatted right?
[03:07] <soulrider> like
[03:07] <soulrider> the data is still ther
[03:07] <soulrider> or do you not need it ?
[03:07] <Hc\\> it would be good to find the 43gig
[03:07] <Hc\\> i think those what is under 2gig is swaps
[03:07] <soulrider> ok
[03:08] <soulrider> open konqueror
[03:08] <Hc\\> then i found some other things too from there
[03:08] <Hc\\> imma boot and write the list here
[03:08] <soulrider> uhm ?
[03:08] <Hc\\> there was 3ubuntus :D
[03:08] <soulrider> lol
[03:08] <Hc\\> no 4
[03:08] <Hc\\> :D
[03:09] <Hc\\> xp and some mem thing
[03:09] <soulrider> lol
[03:09] <soulrider> you still got XP ?
[03:09] <Hc\\> yes
[03:09] <Lamington> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu... and thats it as far as I know.
[03:09] <Hc\\> its on a diff hdd
[03:09] <ernie> Hi all - just thought I'd pop in and say hello
[03:09] <soulrider> Lamington: theres more, just not official
[03:09] <soulrider> like fluxbuntu
[03:09] <soulrider> hi ernie
[03:09] <Lamington> oh yeah
[03:09] <Lamington> forgot about fluxbuntu
[03:09] <Hc\\> hi ernie =)
[03:09] <Hc\\> now
[03:10] <ernie> :)
[03:10] <Hc\\> here is Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.20-12-gemeric
[03:10] <Hc\\> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.20-12-gemeric(recovery mode)
[03:10] <Hc\\> ubuntu memtest 86+
[03:10] <Hc\\> other operating systems
[03:11] <Hc\\> microsoft winfows cp professional
[03:11] <soulrider> ok, thats the grub list
[03:11] <Hc\\> ubuntu fiesty (development branch) (7.04) (on /dev/sdb4)
[03:11] <soulrider> !repos
[03:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:11] <Hc\\> so with otherwords it used 43gog to some of those grubs?
[03:12] <Hc\\> 2x <2gig
[03:12] <soulrider> grub is the bootloader, its like the program that lets you choose what OS it is that you want
[03:12] <Hc\\> ok
[03:12] <Hc\\> :DD
[03:13] <intelikey> anybody know anything about trubble shooting a modprobe issue ?
[03:13] <hawk_> !iso
[03:13] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:13] <soulrider> !fi
[03:13] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[03:13] <Hc\\> what is that ubuntu fiesty?
[03:13] <Hc\\> feisty*
[03:13] <soulrider> its the beta version, you must have installed it
[03:13] <soulrider> intelikey: no idea
[03:13] <Admiral_Chicago> Hc\\: next release that we are developing
[03:13] <Hc\\> i cant open it
[03:13] <Hc\\> :D
[03:14] <intelikey> modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
[03:14] <hawk_> is there any program that will mount and unmount iso's for me with out command line i am just to lazy
[03:14] <fyrmedic> I had fglrx working then did an update on my kernel and it stopped working and reverted back to mesa drivers. Is there any other options for ATI video than fglrx or the packaged ati driver?
[03:14] <Hc\\> so i gotta open ubuntu kernel generic?
[03:14] <soulrider> Hc\\: is it still installed? maybe you formatted the partition and its just not there anymore
[03:14] <intelikey> modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
[03:14] <intelikey> modprobe: Can't locate module ppp
[03:14] <soulrider> lol hawk_
[03:14] <intelikey> dmesg is very un-helpful on that.
[03:14] <soulrider> Hc\\: yeah
[03:14] <Hc\\> it tries to open with  feisty
[03:15] <intelikey> it says nothing beyond the disk drive checks
[03:15] <hawk_> soulrider: whats so funny?
[03:15] <hawk_> lol
[03:15] <Hc\\> with no success
[03:15] <soulrider> hawk_: the lazy comment :P
[03:15] <Hc\\> but with the ubuntu kernel... it opens
[03:15] <soulrider> Hc\\: maybe you just deleted the partition where fesity was installed
[03:15] <soulrider> !fi | Hc\\
[03:15] <ubotu> Hc\\: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[03:15] <hawk_> soulrider: when you work with backtrack all day you get lazy
[03:16] <hawk_> well never mind i will just use fuse
[03:16] <just-this-time> in a new system cloned installation wont recognize and mount two optical drives dvd and cd which work perfectly on dual boot in Windows
[03:17] <Hc\\> where here can i see the particips?
[03:17] <Hc\\> or how u write it
[03:17] <just-this-time> howto find /dev and re-establish in intel 965
[03:17] <hawk_> brb
[03:17] <just-this-time> !libata
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <just-this-time> new unified ata is called libata right?
[03:19] <soulrider> Hc\\: open Konqueror
[03:19] <soulrider> Hc\\: after its open click on Storage Media and it wilol show you your partitions
[03:20] <Hc\\> it gives me one media
[03:20] <Hc\\> so the question remains where is the other1
[03:21] <just-this-time> cdroms are blockdevices right where in kinfocenter I see cdrom devices?
[03:22] <steve_> after installing Feisty Downloaded nvidia-glx and getting error "couldn't load module wfb". What should I do? my feisty is up to date and nvidia won't work
[03:22] <Hc\\> can i find from here a thing like disc manager in windows?
[03:22] <just-this-time> is intel 965 too new for edgy ?
[03:23] <just-this-time> and how do I re-detect cdroms in ubuntu?
[03:26] <bobbyd> Hc\\: k->system settings->Advanced Tab->disks and filesystems
[03:27] <miguel> hi all!
[03:27] <Hc\\> thx bobbyd =)
[03:27] <Hc\\> now n get some sleep
[03:27] <Hc\\> 22h awake is enough 4 me
[03:28] <surgy> hi
[03:28] <chalmer> help with dual boot configuration kubuntu/windows   ??
[03:28] <surgy> chalmer | !ask
[03:29] <Jarn> Is there a way to "refresh" locate for if it isn't finding a file that I know exists?
[03:30] <surgy> jarn: if what isnt finding what?
[03:30] <Jarn> surgy: locate.
[03:30] <Jarn> surgy: Oh, I think I found it though. I think it's the -u flag.
[03:31] <just-this-time> help with funny cdrom disappearance in new 965 machine
[03:31] <just-this-time> convinced that is a common probled
[03:31] <just-this-time> problem
[03:32] <miguel> can anyone recommend me a webcam to use under kubuntu?
[03:32] <just-this-time> jam sudo updatedb
[03:32] <chalmer> surgy > when i reboot to tha kubuntu dvd it shows my 3 sata drives. but it does'nt show my windows partition. i know which drive to select for tha install but i dont want it to format over my windows partition tha kubuntu does'nt show
[03:32] <just-this-time> miguel logitech would be agood choice
[03:33] <miguel> thanks just-this-time
[03:33] <Jarn> just-this-time: Yeah, I found it already. I used locate -u though, it's the same thing.
[03:33] <just-this-time> chalmer:
[03:33] <just-this-time> !DiskMounter
[03:33] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[03:33] <miguel> all of them should work?
[03:33] <surgy> chalmer: use a completely different hard drive if possible, and it will solve any possile data loss
[03:33] <just-this-time> !DiskMounter > chalmer
[03:33] <miguel> do they have a good quality?
[03:33] <just-this-time> I think sso miguel
[03:34] <just-this-time> commonly used is sudo updatedb && locate pppp jam
[03:35] <chalmer> surgy > kubuntu does'nt show none of my partitions on the drive. it just show it as  seagate 250 gig
[03:35] <just-this-time> my cdroms dissappeared on a new cloned install over intel 965
[03:35] <surgy> chalmer: so you only have one hdd with three partitions?
[03:35] <miguel> just, i like the a4tech pk 635 but it doesnt seem to work under linux
[03:36] <miguel> at least i could not find the drivers
[03:36] <surgy> chalmer: if thats the case you need to go into windows and delete an ntfs partition and then create an empty partition, or "raw" partition
[03:36] <chalmer> surgy >1 hd with 2 partitions and tha 2nd & 3rd are my music
[03:37] <surgy> chalmer: or are your three hdds' in a raid array as striping? if so the kubuntu is trying to make one giant partition to span all three
[03:37] <miguel> thanks just-this-time!!
[03:37] <chalmer> surgy > no
[03:37] <surgy> chalmer: it is best, easiest, and safer to use a seperate hdd for linux and a seperate hdd for windows
[03:37] <chalmer> surgy > hmmmmm
[03:38] <surgy> chalmer: see if you can use the second part on the windows drive for your music, and then partition the music hdd for linux, or something similar
[03:38] <surgy> chalmer: thats the safe route
[03:38] <chalmer> surgy > i was told that a dual boot cpu has to b on tha same drive ?
[03:39] <surgy> chalmer: a dual boot cpu........ as in cpu == central processing unit ?
[03:39] <soulrider> !easysource
[03:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:39] <surgy> chalmer: if thats what you mean, then no you need no special processor for dual boots
[03:39] <chalmer> surgy > lol.. no computer
[03:40] <pbcustom98> anyone know a good .flac player?
[03:40] <surgy> chalmer: then you statement makes no sense, " a dual boot computer has to be on the same hard disk drive" you cannot store a physicle computer on a disk drive, without stacking them physicly, and then it whouldnt be plugged in
[03:42] <chalmer> surgy > im soory this is what im referring to. 1 comp, 1 hd, with windows and kubuntu
[03:43] <francisco> hey pessoal das Caldas!!!!
[03:43] <Jarn> Filelight is giving me wrong information.
[03:44] <surgy> chalmer: then, not top be harsh or rude, but you need to do your research,, if you dont, then expect significant data loss. dual boot systems are what every unsure noob wants and just happens to be one of the hardest installs
[03:44] <chalmer> surgy > i was told to do a dual boot configuration on a single computer that the second os has to b installed on tha same hd that windows is on
[03:44] <surgy> chalmer: you were told wrong
[03:44] <surgy> chalmer: if you install them on seperate hard drives it makes the process almost seamless, with no guessing or hoping
[03:46] <francisco> how can I make work my microphone? I using a HP Dv2000...
[03:46] <surgy> chalmer: after you use linux for a while you will probably either hate windows or hate linux, and then you will want to rid yourself of the one you dislike
[03:46] <surgy> !microphone
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <francisco> ok thx =)
[03:46] <chalmer> surgy > so if i install a 4th hd then install kubuntu on it.    and when the computer restarts it should show me tha 2 os's to select from to boot into
[03:47] <surgy> chalmer: yes,, there is a program that installs with kubuntu called "grub" and grub does exactly that, it gives you a counter and after the counter is up it boots into the defualt os, and if you hit a key within the counter, it gives you the choice
[03:47] <hawk_> !fuse
[03:47] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:47] <surgy> !grub | chalmer
[03:47] <ubotu> chalmer: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:47] <hawk_> !fuseiso
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuseiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <pbcustom98> anyone know a good .flac player?
[03:52] <surgy> chalmer: any more questions? trust me you dont want to do it if your windozer is precious, and your not prepared
[03:53] <chalmer> surgy > yea im new to linux about 3 weeks sofar . but i was about to give up on it b/c it ran sluggish and tha frigg'n internet was worse than dial-up. and its installed on a pentium 3 computer w/ 128 mgs pc 100. but im not ready to give up yet.thats why i wanted to install it on my windows computer that a newly built. mayb it should run smoother
[03:53] <pbcustom98> 128mb ram...wow
[03:53] <hawk_> !iso
[03:53] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:54] <surgy> chalmer: its sluggish becuase you shouldnt use kubuntu with less than 256 mb ram, use xubuntu on the 128mb system
[03:58] <pbcustom98> anyone know a good .flac player?
[03:58] <chalmer> surgy >  so if it were u would leave it on tha Pentium 3 computer but install Xubuntu instead of kubuntu?
[03:58] <crdlb> chalmer, stick some more ram in it and you can run any *ubuntu
[03:58] <surgy> chalmer: go to #xubuntu and ask those guys, but yes im running a 300 mhz laptop with 64 mb ram, and its a celeron on xubuntu and its not bad
[03:59] <ernie> Kubuntu runs nicely with 1gig of Ram if you can get it
[03:59] <philphoto> I'm trying to install mp3 support for amarok & it says I need to install libxine-extracodecs manually.  this library doesn't exist as far as I can tell.  has it been superceded?
[04:00] <surgy> ernie: i run it well and multitask constantly with half that
[04:00] <chalmer> surgy >  ok, yea ubuntu is still installed on tha P3 comp. i will do that if i can get my hands on some pc100 ram....lol
[04:00] <ernie> well I do have a VMserver running now and then - for when I need to windoze :) so yeah 512M should suit
[04:00] <surgy> chalmer: lol beleave it or not pc 100 is still rare here, everyone still uses it..... kindof sad
[04:01] <philphoto> anyone? anyone?
[04:02] <surgy> philphoto: check this
[04:02] <surgy> !mp3 | philphoto
[04:02] <ubotu> philphoto: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:03] <philphoto> dang, I'm back to having a horribly slow computer.
[04:03] <chalmer> surgy > yea i got open suse 10.1 but i like kubuntu tha best b/c of tha kde desktop
[04:04] <pbcustom98> i got flac to play..hooah
[04:05] <surgy> chalmer: many linux and unix distros have kde, its not kubuntu specific
[04:05] <surgy> chalmer: im pretty sure suse can get kde
[04:06] <chalmer> surgy > i like tha blue them n kubuntu. and tha brown theme in ubuntu wasn'nt to bad either thou
[04:07] <hawk_> anyone know where wine is at i mean the root directory i know it is hidden but i just cant seem to rember where it is hidden at lol
[04:08] <pbcustom98> in terminal --> locate wine
[04:08] <hawk_> thnx lol why did i not think of that lol
[04:08] <pbcustom98> :)
[04:09] <surgy> chalmer: best thing for you bro, do you homework, read everything you can get your hands on, starting with the FAQ of several distros and windows managers
[04:11] <chalmer> surgy > in tha P3 computer tha internet is sooooo slow . loading tha browser too worse tha dial-up. could that also b from tha lack of ram?
[04:12] <chalmer> surgy > i got DSL
[04:12] <surgy_afk> chalmer: definately
[04:12] <chalmer> surgy > ty
[04:12] <pbcustom98> looking into a lighter window manager
[04:12] <pollyo> chalmer: I'm running a P3 with little memory and things apper quite fast for me.
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> i used to use flux on my old machine
[04:14] <surgy_afk> chalmer: np i gotta go now
[04:14] <chalmer> pollyo > yea i got a P3 w/ 128 mgs of pc100 ram but <surgy> just imformed me that i need atleat 256 of ram
[04:15] <pollyo> chalmer: I have 256 in this machine.
[04:15] <soulrider> !netbeans
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netbeans - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <chalmer> pollyo > yea i got to try to get another stick of 128 pc100 so that ill have 256
[04:17] <daskreech2> still upgrading
[04:18] <chalmer> pollyo > just haveing 128 kubuntu is slow but my god tha internet is worse than dial-up and it takes forever to even load tha browser
[04:18] <pollyo> chalmer: I'm impressed what I can do with 256 on this machine with a P3.
[04:19] <pollyo> chalmer: I can not wait until I take the time to invest in a new drive for my Dell E510 and setup a dual boot system on it.
[04:19] <chalmer> pollyo > yea me to hell i bet my window xp os would'nt run that smooth
[04:20] <Nathan_Ryan> Ok, so I'm viewing an image in Firefox, Picasso's Guernica to be exact - and I can see subtle variations in colour.  I save the image to the HDD and open in in both GIMP and Gwenview and it looks completely monochromatic.  I import the image into Open Office Writer and it looks as it originally did in Firefox.  Anyone have any idea what's up with the disparity in colourspace?
[04:21] <Nathan_Ryan> Also... has anyone here seen the original Guernica?
[04:22] <daskreech2> has anyone used xen on kubuntu
[04:22] <pollyo> !xen
[04:22] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[04:22] <daskreech2> yeah i get that ;-0
[04:23] <daskreech2>  i just want to know if the video card is virtualized as well
[04:23] <pollyo> daskreech2: Is that similar to qemu or does it use qemu?
[04:23] <daskreech2> qemu is a virtual machine xen is a hypervisor
[04:24] <pollyo> daskreech2: Ok.  I know very little in this area what is hypervisor?
[04:24] <pbcustom98> anyone in here program in python?
[04:25] <chalmer> pollyo > can i install my Microsoft game in kubuntu?
[04:25] <pbcustom98> not all the time
[04:25] <chalmer> pollyo > can i install my Microsoft games in kubuntu?
[04:25] <pollyo> chalmer: You might be able to install some using wine.
[04:25] <daskreech2> a virtual machine runs on top of a OS describing a machine and passing the commands to the real hardware
[04:25] <pollyo> chalmer: I would suggest a dual boot system for games though.
[04:25] <pbcustom98> some games can install with wine, some have linux counterparts
[04:26] <daskreech2> a hypervisor runs beneath the os and intercepts calls
[04:26] <pbcustom98> some flat out dont work
[04:26] <daskreech2> chalmer: which games?
[04:26] <chalmer> pollyo > do i need to start wine b/4 i insert tha games?
[04:26] <pollyo> deskreech2: So the OSes run ontop of the hypervisor?
[04:26] <steve_> why the configuration window in Kubuntu differ than the one in Debian. In Debian it's a window with icons on the left and configuration option in main window and in kubuntu it's a window full of big icons which start external apps.
[04:26] <daskreech2> pollyo: yes
[04:27] <pollyo> daskreech2: Xen is a hypervisor?
[04:27] <daskreech2> yes
[04:27] <chalmer> pollyo > AOE's Far cry and soforth
[04:27] <pollyo> daskreech2: I'll have to look into it.  Thanks.
[04:27] <daskreech2> steve_: you want kcontrol
[04:27] <pollyo> !xen
[04:27] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[04:27] <daskreech2> chalmer: some you can some you can't
[04:27] <daskreech2> 1games
[04:27] <daskreech2> !games
[04:27] <steve_> thanks daskreech2. Are you saying Debian use kcontrol and not kubuntu?
[04:28] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:28] <daskreech2> steve_: alt+f2 -> Kcontrol
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> chalmer: i know far cry has a linux installer
[04:28] <daskreech2> if you feel better
[04:28] <daskreech2> hitmanWilly: REally?
[04:28] <daskreech2> that's sweet
[04:28] <chalmer> pollyo > ok
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> yeah, just google it
[04:28] <chalmer> hitmanwilly ok
[04:29] <chalmer> pollyo > got a ?
[04:29] <steve_> daskreech2:thanks I'll try the alt+f2
[04:30] <chalmer> pollyo > how come when i insert a cd it doesnt auto load like windows does?
[04:30] <daskreech2> steve_: or alt+space -> system -> <enter>
[04:30] <daskreech2> chalmer: New OS
[04:31] <daskreech2> chalmer: each OS autoruns CDs a different way
[04:32] <chalmer> pollyo > well every linux os that ive installed the past week does it" Suse 10.1 / ubuntu 6.10 and now kubuntu
[04:34] <chalmer> pollyo > when i insert a cd it shows a icon of it on tha desktop and when i click it. itjust opens a window showing only files a folders in it
[04:35] <chalmer> pollyo > it does'nt auto load like windows does. just wondering why not?
[04:35] <carutsu> how do i turn off the check hdd option, currently is checking my windows partition and is making kubuntu very slow
[04:37] <daskreech2> chalmer: I just explained
[04:37] <pbcustom98> linux isnt as hand holding as windows, thats why.
[04:38] <chalmer> daskreech2 > o" i must have missed it. sry ill scroll up more
[04:38] <carutsu> how do i turn off the check hdd option, currently is checking my windows partition and is making kubuntu very slow
[04:38] <dwidmann> carutsu, hit alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[04:38] <daskreech2> chalmer: It''s a different OS Each OS has a different way to make CDs autorun
[04:38] <carutsu> thanks
[04:39] <dwidmann> In the file it opens, Look for the windows line
[04:39] <vvv> is thier a kubuntu daily release site?
[04:39] <dwidmann> there should be two numbers on the end (each being either a 0, 1, or 2), change them both to 0
[04:39] <daskreech2> THe cds you have are only made to work in Windows
[04:39] <chalmer> pollyo > well every linux os that ive installed the past week does it" Suse 10.1 / ubuntu 6.10 and now kubuntu
[04:39] <carutsu> dwidmann thank you!
[04:40] <dwidmann> You're welcome carutsu, I hope that does the trick
[04:40] <carutsu> dwidmann what does the 2 mean? my /home has 0 2
[04:40] <chalmer>  it does'nt auto load like windows does. just wondering why not?
[04:40] <daskreech2> chalmer: It runs the files or it opens a window with the files?
[04:41] <chalmer> does linux in lack of drivers or something?
[04:41] <dwidmann> chalmer, with most cds that "autorun" in windows, it does so by running a windows executable binary called "autorun.exe", in those cases it won't autorun in linux.
[04:41] <pbcustom98> chalmer: did you know linux is open source?
[04:41] <chalmer> yea
[04:41] <carutsu> dwidmann another question i need accents so i enabled them on the kewboard settings, (this is a laptop) but now the Fn+Up and Fn+Down doesnt change the volume anymore
[04:41] <pbcustom98> do you know what open source means?
[04:42] <carutsu> !open source
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about open source - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <carutsu> xDm didn't work
[04:42] <pbcustom98> google it
[04:42] <pbcustom98> define: open source
[04:42] <chalmer> ummmm.... free for all
[04:42] <dwidmann> carutsu, I'm really not sure ... I don't have to deal with a laptop myself.
[04:43] <dwidmann> gah, I have a nosebleed :(
[04:43] <carutsu> dwidmann thank you anyway
[04:43] <vvv> does kubuntu have a daily update fight like ubuntu does?
[04:43] <tmbg> dwidmann, stop picking your nose. :P
[04:43] <pbcustom98> haha nose picker
[04:43] <dwidmann> I don't pick my nose.
[04:43] <carutsu> chalmer that is only a consecuence, it means free as in beer, xD
[04:43] <tmbg> vvv, for all practical purposes kubuntu IS ubuntu, really.
[04:43] <daskreech2> vvv yes
[04:43] <vvv> how would i go about uninstalling ubuntu after installing kubuntu
[04:43] <chalmer> i know
[04:43] <tmbg> just with a fancy installer, kde preinstalled, etc.
[04:43] <V|3LGu> no kubuntu is not ubuntu
[04:44] <vvv> or is thie a command i could enter in terminal?
[04:44] <vvv> i want to remove gnome
[04:44] <daskreech2> vvv: you can remove most stuff i don't know about all
[04:44] <pbcustom98> could do you it via adept, im not a command junkie yet
[04:44] <dwidmann> vvv: something like adept_updater?
[04:44] <pbcustom98> you could do it*
[04:44] <vvv> yeah
[04:45] <pbcustom98> probably something like _ sudo remove desktop-gnome
[04:45] <pbcustom98> if that makes any sense at all
[04:45] <vvv> i can't install through the beta fawn releases i have to use a daily build from ubuntu.. but i want kubuntu cause of all the nice programs
[04:45] <dwidmann> vvv, about removing gnome: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:45] <vvv> and layout
[04:45] <vvv> but when you switch over you have to choose on login and stuff like that its very annoying
[04:45] <chalmer>  im just wondering ! if linux want to be popular like windows and wants people to buy their os then why not make it easyer on the new people to
[04:46] <chalmer> that is to b sold on retail computers
[04:46] <daskreech2> vvv: you can aptitude remove gtk
[04:46] <dwidmann> chalmer: the devs DO try, but manpower is limitted. Besides, most linux distributions aren't sold, but instead are given away for free
[04:46] <tmbg> I don't want it sold on retail computers. I want retail computers to come to me blank.
[04:46] <nagyv> hello! I would like to play a game (freecol), but not full screen. It is a java game, is there a possibility to require it to run in a window?
[04:46] <vvv> thanks so much for the link
[04:47] <dwidmann> no problem
[04:47] <daskreech2> chalmer: a) linux doesn't really care if it wins or not
[04:47] <pbcustom98> linux is people driven, windows is prophet driven
[04:48] <daskreech2> chalmer: b) it's up to retailers to decide some do most will not. microsoft pays them not to so It's not in their interest
[04:48] <chalmer> but their goal is to b reconized so that they go maine stream like home users
[04:48] <tmbg> I wonder how windows will change when gates dies. I wonder how linux will change when linus dies for that matter
[04:48] <daskreech2> chalmer: for some people. it's not really the aim if linux
[04:49] <daskreech2> most people don't use Linux becuase they want it to "win" they just use it because it works for them
[04:49] <dwidmann> tmbg: Microsoft is already in sad shape IMO ... especially now that gates stepped down
[04:49] <tmbg> he stepped down from what?
[04:49] <daskreech2> the more people it works for the more people are happy :-) but Linux doesn't carea about domination
[04:50] <tmbg> I thought he was still the boss
[04:50] <dwidmann> Not what I heard o.O
[04:50] <daskreech2> tmbg: he hasn't been for a few years now
[04:50] <daskreech2> ballmer is the head
[04:50] <dwidmann> Ballmer is a dumb***
[04:51] <tmbg> what's gates doing now then? retired?
[04:51] <pbcustom98> if i go to adept manager, search "gnome" and remove everything gnome related...will i screw everything up?
[04:51] <Alpha_Cluster> does anyone here know how to mount an xfs partition so that any "user" can use it?
[04:51] <Alpha_Cluster> pbcustom98, you will see nothing that i sall
[04:51] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: Gome isn't as handy to remove as KDE
[04:52] <daskreech2> Alpha_Cluster: -o UID=0000,users I think
[04:52] <chalmer> dont yall get me wrong im not diss'n linux by no means just wish that they "linux people" can make a more user friendly os for your average home users that not IT Pro
[04:52] <dwidmann> Gates, 50, who was also Microsoft's chief software architect, will give up day-to-day duties in July 2008, retaining the title of chairman.
[04:52] <Alpha_Cluster> daskreech2, anyway i can do it in the fstab i mean
[04:53] <daskreech2> chalmer: how could it be more User friendly?
[04:53] <daskreech2> Alpha_Cluster: just told you
[04:53] <pbcustom98> if i remove everything gnome related in adept...even if im using KDE..i wont see anything?
[04:53] <Alpha_Cluster> ... oh
[04:53] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[04:53] <tmbg> chalmer, well, it's getting easier with time. also nothing is stopping you from producing code to make it more user friendly, etc.
[04:53] <Alpha_Cluster> i was confused for a sec by -o lol
[04:54] <tmbg> for example livecd's are pretty easy and installers based on them are simple. was easier to set that up than windows for me.
[04:54] <dwidmann> chalmer: if you've got any ideas find the appropriate people and fire away. They'd probably be more than willing to listen if you've got reasonable and/or good ideas
[04:54] <pbcustom98> does anyone know?
[04:54] <daskreech2> chalmer: what do you mean more user firendly?
[04:54] <tmbg> dwidmann, 'retaining the title of chairman' <-- I wonder what this means about how much influence he still has at the company
[04:54] <Alpha_Cluster> daskreech2, i get an error about bad options for the partition now
[04:55] <dwidmann> tmbg: not sure, probably not much if h e doesn't participate in any day-to-day duties though
[04:55] <pbcustom98> if i remove everything gnome related in adept...even if im using KDE..i wont see anything?
[04:55] <daskreech2> tmbg: it means he doens't have to do anything but he can if he wants to
[04:55] <Alpha_Cluster> pbcustom98, you shouldnt have anything gnome related installed yet unless you added stuff
[04:55] <tmbg> it may have just relieved him from certain responsibilities but allowed him to continue to make broad policy decisions
[04:55] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: no you should b cool
[04:56] <dwidmann> perhaps
[04:56] <tmbg> I just don't see him as the type to ever really "give up the reigns"
[04:56] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: you have ubuntu installed?
[04:56] <daskreech2> tmbg: hes old give him a break
[04:57] <daskreech2> in anycase this is all offtopic
[04:57] <daskreech2> !ot
[04:57] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:57] <tmbg> I mean his personality. but yeah ot. I'll quit
[04:57] <daskreech2> no no go right ahead
[04:57] <daskreech2> just in Ot
[04:58] <chalmer> well i guess like !!! well i dont know mayb its b/c im not familiar with tha linux nameing of the programs that it come with installed and i get fuststrated trying to find my way around to get what im trying to find to do a certain thing.
[04:58] <Alpha_Cluster> daskreech2, do you by any chance know why xfs wont let me mount using commands like uid=?
[04:58] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: I heard that you had ubuntu installed What I meant was how did you install kubuntu?
[04:58] <daskreech2> chalmer: that just means you don't know how to get around
[04:58] <tmbg> chalmer, it would be the same for you on qnx, macos, etc etc. a new system will always take getting  used to
[04:59] <daskreech2> chalmer: honestly if you don't understand something ask here and someone will explain it to you
[04:59] <daskreech2> chalmer: I'm trying to teach my mom windows. it's not easy either trust me
[04:59] <dwidmann> alpha_cluster, ideally, I think, the best way would be to change the ownership of the files on the partition, by adding a new group, and adding all users who you want to have access to said group
[05:00] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: talk here :-) it helps more people
[05:00] <chalmer> like i guess im familiar with windows and know how to to alot more than average user does and i know where to go a how to do certian tasks
[05:00] <daskreech2> I have no idea what Alpha_Cluster is doing so I'll be quiet
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann, problem is not in the folder its getting into the folder
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann, its mounting with the group as root and i need it to be user
[05:00] <pbcustom98> ok so basically nothing will be fubared if i adept-->search (gnome) and remove all gnome packages installed
[05:00] <dwidmann> mount it "normally", access it as root to change the perms
[05:01] <dwidmann> oops, not perms, but owner/group
[05:01] <dwidmann> well, maybe perms too, something like 774 perhaps'
[05:01] <daskreech2> chalmer: right so you 'think' it's easy :-) if it helps any you are the category of persons that would find Linux the hardest
[05:02] <chalmer> yes
[05:02] <chalmer> lol
[05:02] <pbcustom98> what is the difference of removing something vs purging ?
[05:02] <Alpha_Cluster> pbcustom98, purge gets rid of the configuration files as well
[05:02] <dwidmann> pbcustom98: purging removes the settings files too
[05:02] <daskreech2> chalmer: however you will probably also be really grateful once you get your system setup
[05:03] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann, i tried using chown but it doesnt change owner
[05:03] <pbcustom98> well if im removing it..do i need the config files?
[05:03] <chalmer> lol yes but more than all learn my way around linux like i do windows
[05:04] <pbcustom98> ok, so now --> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:04] <daskreech2> chalmer: just try and not think about the windows way. just figure out what you want to do and ask
[05:04] <chalmer> so that ill know what program to go to to do this and what program to go to to do this
[05:05] <daskreech2> chalmer: so what do you wanna do? ;-d
[05:05] <pbcustom98> chalmer: bottom line is this...linux isnt windows. things need to be "learned"...its hard at first, but give it time
[05:05] <dwidmann> Alpha_Cluster: that's odd
[05:05] <dwidmann> something like "chgrp thenewgroup -R *"
[05:05] <chalmer> O" yea lol i know thats true
[05:06] <dwidmann> it definitely should work . .. why it wouldn't I don't know
[05:06] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann, chown has never worked for me when it comes to changing mount directories
[05:07] <pbcustom98> ok, so now --> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.  any ideas?
[05:07] <chalmer> so why is microsoft being monopoly with everthing.
[05:07] <daskreech2> cause they can
[05:08] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: what failed?
[05:08] <chalmer> why dont Dell ,Compaq and other retail computers got with linux sinse its free?
[05:08] <soulrider> chalmer: who knows
[05:09] <tmbg> some retailers will sell you a system with linux preinstalled
[05:09] <daskreech2> chalmer: want to read an article on it?
[05:09] <chalmer> but u said that microsoft pays them to use windows on their computer
[05:09] <pgraves__> Guys, Im installing Ubuntu on another computer thats going to be mainly a file server.... this is my second or third install and I was wanting to customize it a little more on this PC.... can someone advise me to partition structures
[05:09] <daskreech2> chalmer: it does
[05:09] <Alpha_Cluster> chalmer, lets just say its easier to support one Windows as opposed to 3-6 linux distros when it comes to support
[05:09] <manton> can anyone help me with gmail notify? I'm not sure what to put for "browser Path"   I'm using firefox...
[05:09] <pgraves__> I was thinking about creating a /boot, a /tmp a SWAP a /home and a /
[05:09] <tmbg> chalmer, yes so sometimes they have to charge you more for a system w/ linux preinstalled. :(
[05:10] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: do a search for gtk instead of gnome
[05:10] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: filter by installed
[05:10] <daskreech2> manton: open a konsole and type which firefox
[05:10] <dwidmann> Alpha_Cluster: , but that wasn't the thing you really need to change. What you need to change is the permission for all of the files within the directory ...
[05:10] <pgraves__> Can someone advise me (maybe in private?) onto recommended partitions, their set-up and size... I did a lot of reading but still had some questions
[05:10] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann, no because there ARE NO FILES!
[05:11] <Alpha_Cluster> i cant write to it so there is nothing
[05:11] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: ask questions here :-)
[05:11] <manton> daskreech2, what console?
[05:11] <daskreech2> pbcustom98: oh go to preview changes and cancel all
[05:11] <pgraves__> Anyone?
[05:11] <daskreech2> pgraves__: just ask here.
[05:11] <pgraves__> I did, or I tried
[05:12] <dwidmann> ... crud, hmmmmmm
[05:12] <pgraves__> Basically I am installing Ubuntu... I read that its a better idea to have several partitions... i.e. one for /boot, one for /tmp a SWAP, one for /home and one for /..... but I wanted to know ideas on sizes and what should be logical/primary
[05:12] <pgraves__> oh and a /var
[05:12] <manton> Daskreech, in extensions, what do i type?
[05:13] <Daskreech> pgraves__: what are you using the computer for?
[05:13] <chalmer> i know Suse has gone retail in stores so i guess thats a start
[05:13] <pgraves__> Fileserver mainly.... though it may evolve into other things
[05:13] <pgraves__> its got 320GB of hdd capacity
[05:13] <pgraves__> 512MB of memory (likely to be upgraded soon)
[05:13] <Daskreech> manton: no clue :-)
[05:14] <Daskreech> manton: alt+space -> konsole -> press enter
[05:14] <chalmer> i wish i knew a friend that uses linux so that i could watch them do certina tasks to learn from
[05:15] <Daskreech> chalmer: what do yo uwant to do?
[05:15] <pbcustom98> ok, heres the deal: i installed ubuntu, then installed KDE. decided i liked it more the gnome. now i want to remove all gnome/gtk packages via adept...how do i go about doing this (im using beryl if it makes any difference)
[05:15] <dwidmann> alpha_cluster: looks like xfs doesn't support any of the mount options you previously looked into
[05:15] <pgraves__> Anyone have recommendaations on the partition set-up? OR at least can someone tell me what partitions should be logical & which should be primary (I made all the partitions primary and it wont let me add more, according to my reading only 4 should be primary). I just dont know which should be primary
[05:15] <chalmer> nothing i general not untill i get more ram.
[05:16] <Daskreech> pbcustom98: look for a libgtk ?
[05:16] <dwidmann> man mount and scroll the bottom if you want to see what options there are though
[05:16] <Daskreech> chalmer: then rock some tunes and kick back
[05:16] <dwidmann> seemedly nothing related
[05:16] <pgraves__> ...?
[05:16] <Daskreech> pgraves__: /boot 150 mb
[05:17] <dwidmann> // = about 10 gb
[05:17] <dwidmann> then give /home the rest ... works fairly well that way
[05:17] <Daskreech> pgraves__: / maybe 6 gb
[05:17] <Daskreech> dwidmann: he wants a fileserver
[05:18] <chalmer> so i need to run Samba to run the network wizard to see my other 4 computers on tha network? is that correct?
[05:18] <pgraves__> What about logical versus primary?
[05:19] <Daskreech> chalmer: no
[05:19] <Daskreech> pgraves__: /boot has to be primary
[05:19] <dwidmann> 'doh
[05:19] <pgraves__> and I was going to create separate partitions for /var and /tmp as well (maybe even /usr?)
[05:19] <pgraves__> should boot be the ONLY primary?
[05:19] <chalmer> Daskreech> what do i run?
[05:20] <dwidmann> Depends on where he wants to put his files then ... Maybe somewhere like /var?
[05:20] <Daskreech> pgraves__: boot is the only one that needs to be primamry
[05:20] <Daskreech> after that it's up o
[05:20] <pgraves__> Does 2GB sound reasonable for /var
[05:20] <pgraves__> My understanding is /var is mainly just logs
[05:20] <dwidmann> pgraves: it really doesn't matter what's primary for most things. Not even boot need be primary (like on my system, I have it as an extended partition, and it works fine)
[05:20] <pbcustom98> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde is this the correct way to remove all of gnome/gtk
[05:20] <Daskreech> chalmer: open konqueror
[05:21] <dwidmann> pgraves__: pretty much
[05:21] <chalmer> ok
[05:21] <Daskreech> type smb:/
[05:22] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok
[05:22] <Daskreech> ha ha
[05:22] <Daskreech> pbcustom98: assuming that you didn't install anything else
[05:23] <pgraves__> For "cleanliness", should data normally be kept in /home? (I.E. its a file server, so should my data, such as music/docs etc be in /home/Data/Music, /home/Data/Documents, etc.?)
[05:23] <chalmer> Daskreech> so i click this"
[05:23] <chalmer> Network Folders
[05:23] <chalmer> Shared files and folders
[05:23] <Daskreech> there you go
[05:24] <chalmer> in conquer
[05:25] <pbcustom98> are gnome and KDE repositories the same?
[05:25] <Daskreech> yes
[05:25] <chalmer> then i click this icon"Samba Shares
[05:26] <pgraves__> Anyone see a problem with this setup: /boot=150MB, /var=2048MB, SWAP=1.5GB, /tmp=2GB, /home=280GB, /=34GB
[05:26] <Daskreech> pgraves__: holy hell :-)
[05:26] <pgraves__> what?
[05:27] <Daskreech> what are you storing in / ?
[05:27] <Daskreech> wait I guess you could put thing in /opt
[05:27] <pgraves__> Everything else I guess? (Any programs I may ever install)
[05:27] <Daskreech> I guess that's ok
[05:27] <chalmer> Daskreech> do i click Samba shares" or " Add a network folder" or " Network services" ?
[05:27] <pgraves__> 34GB excessive?
[05:27] <dwidmann> 34 gb is a bit excessive
[05:27] <Daskreech> pgraves__: I have 6 gb on my machine which I installed 3 years ago and I'm up to 70%
[05:28] <dwidmann> I have a ton installed and I'm still only taking up 8 gb or so
[05:28] <Daskreech> and it's not like I hold back on installing anything that catches my eye
[05:28] <chalmer> Daskreech> do i click Samba shares" or " Add a network folder" or " Network services" ?
[05:28] <Daskreech> dwidmann: what are you file serving?
[05:28] <Daskreech> samba shares
[05:29] <chalmer> k
[05:29] <Daskreech> chalmer: don't be afraid to experiment :-)
[05:29] <dwidmann> Wait a minute, It's probably less than 8gb ..... I'm not file serving. I'm just doing whatever it is that I do, which includes everything under the sun.
[05:29] <dwidmann> Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure a gb or so of my space taken up is probably from /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:30] <mefisto_gofish> mmmmMMMM I am ready for kde4
[05:30] <pgraves__> Ok, I updated /home=300GB, /=14GB
[05:30] <chalmer> Daskreech> lol
[05:30] <dwidmann> ouch, more than I thought, filelight says it's 1.9gb
[05:30] <Daskreech> pgraves__: sure
[05:30] <Daskreech> dwidmann: apt-get autoclean :-)
[05:30] <pgraves__> Ok is anyone here familiar with doing a linux software raid? (I think I understand what Im supposed to do, but would love to talk to someone)
[05:31] <dwidmann> No, not until feisty is "released"
[05:31] <dwidmann> I might just need this cache
[05:31] <chalmer> Daskreech> lol... ive been doing that for the past 3 weeks now  and got a big head ache now
[05:31] <philphoto> I need to lock a lib version & synaptic isn't applying the change.  help?
[05:31] <IPx-> Is there a theme manager in kubuntu?
[05:32] <pgraves__> Should I set the filesystem for ALL of those partitions (Except SWAP) to "Physical Volume for RAID"?
[05:32] <dwidmann> IPx: alt +f2 -> kcontrol. Appearances -> themes
[05:32] <mefisto_gofish> pgraves__: Sorry, I am not.  Are you sure that's what you want to do?  Everything I've read about software raid says it's slow, slow slow
[05:33] <dwidmann> mefisto_gofish: It doesn't seem to bad from my experience. Then again, my computer can still give most any of the new ones on the market a good run for their money
[05:33] <pgraves__> What I read suggested it should be fine.... and TECHNICALLY I wanted hardware raid, but apparently my motherboard's "Hardware Raid" is only "Hardware" in Windows.... LOL, tell me thats not retarded...
[05:33] <chalmer> Daskreech> gosh that was faster than running windows network wizard
[05:33] <Daskreech> chalmer: yup
[05:33] <IPx-> dwidmann: cool thanks. I was looking around it System Settings for it :)
[05:33] <philphoto> anyone?
[05:33] <pgraves__> Once again though...... should I set all the filesystems to "Physical volume for RAID"?
[05:33] <mefisto_gofish> pgraves__: Is the hardware just not supported by the kernel or is it "hardware" raid in the same sense that winmodems are "hardware"
[05:33] <dwidmann> pgraves__: the one on your motherboard is basically "FakeRaid", it's not really hardware in windows either
[05:34] <dwidmann> It's really software raid, in windows it's just more transparent because you installed xyz drives off the motherboards cd
[05:34] <dwidmann> *drivers
[05:34] <pgraves__> exactly its hardware in the sense of Windmodems are "hardware"
[05:34] <pgraves__> Biostar neglected to mention that in the advertising of course
[05:35] <dwidmann> Yeah, I got hit with that too with my ASUS board
[05:35] <dwidmann> I used LVM instead of RAID anymore, seeing as I don't really need redundancy.
[05:35] <mefisto_gofish> My machine has passed the 3 year mark... raid of any kind hasn't crossed my mind
[05:35] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok now how do i get my other 4 computers w/ windows to reconize my kubuntu computer on my network? do i need to run tha ""Network set-up wizard" in windows again??/
[05:35] <pgraves__> Dwidmann: Can you help me setup the software RAID, Im using the Ubuntu-6.10 Alternate CD (Text-based installer) and am at the point where partitions must manually be made
[05:36] <posingaspopular> pgraves__, what do you need
[05:36] <dwidmann> pgraves__: planning on using the fakeraid? (dmraid), or pure software raid (mdadm)?
[05:36] <pgraves__> pure software raid
[05:36] <pgraves__> from what I read md seemed the best
[05:36] <dwidmann> what raid level do you want to use?
[05:36] <pgraves__> 1
[05:36] <pgraves__> just redundancy
[05:36] <philphoto> need some help: I need to lock a library version and synaptic won't apply the change.
[05:36] <dwidmann> kay
[05:37] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok now how do i get my other 4 computers w/ windows to reconize my kubuntu computer on my network? do i need to run tha ""Network set-up wizard" in windows again??/
[05:37] <pgraves__> I have 6 partitions created, /boot, /var, /tmp, /home, /, & SWAP
[05:37] <dwidmann> pgraves__: there are some really nice wikis on the RAID setup. I'm going to dig them up for you
[05:37] <pgraves__> I was hoping to continually mirror all of those (except SWAP) to my other HDD
[05:38] <pgraves__> DWIDMANN: I probably have them (I have about a dozen onscreen, including the official Ubuntu one)
[05:38] <Daskreech> chalmer: that's harder :-)
[05:38] <pgraves__> I just would really feel more comfortable working with someone to avoid misinterpreting the wikis
[05:38] <chalmer> lol
[05:38] <Daskreech> chalmer: what are you sharing from the Linux machine?
[05:38] <chalmer> for real?
[05:38] <Daskreech> chalmer: what for real?
[05:39] <dwidmann> pgraves, easiest time to do the raid setup is to do it while you're doing the installation, and not after (not to say that it can't be done after, I did)
[05:39] <chalmer> ummmm... nothig yet i suppose
[05:39] <dwidmann> (but it was more involved)
[05:39] <pgraves__> im at the install right now
[05:39] <Daskreech> you just want to do it?
[05:39] <pgraves__> im at the manually edit partition section of the install (using Ubuntu 6.10 Alternate (text-based))
[05:40] <dwidmann> alternate cd right? during the manual partitioning section is where you can do the raid
[05:40] <pgraves__> yup
[05:40] <dwidmann> Create two partitions on two disks
[05:40] <dwidmann> make them RAW RAID volumes (or whichever it was)
[05:40] <dwidmann> It's something like that anyhow
[05:40] <Daskreech> ubuntu? pffffft
[05:40] <dwidmann> LVM setup is done the same way
[05:40] <pgraves__> Thats what I thought... BUT when I do that it removes the mount point? Is that ok?
[05:40] <dwidmann> Yeah
[05:41] <pgraves__> kk, one moment
[05:41] <dwidmann> now, along the top in the main manual edit partition screen
[05:41] <dwidmann> there should be something that speaks of RAID, pick it
[05:41] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok then will or can windows see my linux comp. on tha network?since it does'nt support linux
[05:42] <dwidmann> It will ask you which volumes you want to make part of the RAID set, pick the two you just made, and continue
[05:42] <Daskreech> chalmer: you can do it three ways
[05:42] <pbcustom98> ok question: everytime i login, i have to setup my resolution thru the nvidia control panel...how do i change this? ( saved it to my xorg config)
[05:42] <dwidmann> There will now be another partition listed, this one a RAID partition, from here you can format it and assign a mount point
[05:42] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok
[05:42] <Daskreech> chalmer: the fastest easiest way is the most annoying under windows the hardest way to setup is the easiest to use under windows
[05:44] <chalmer> Daskreech> ok uuhhhhhhmmmmmm what does that mean n english
[05:44] <Daskreech> chalmer: the easy setup is annoying to access in windows
[05:45] <Daskreech> the hard setup (very annoying) will be easy to use though
[05:45] <pbcustom98> ok question: everytime i login, i have to setup my resolution thru the nvidia control panel...how do i change this? ( saved it to my xorg config)
[05:45] <pgraves__> DWIDMAN: One moment, Im still setting up the partitions, Ive created each partition twice now (once per hard drive). However, should I create a SWAP partition on both hard drives? (I dont want my system to actually use both swap partitions, but if one hard drive fails I want the other to be fully functional)
[05:45] <chalmer> Daskreech> so the network wizard in windows it out of tha question
[05:46] <Daskreech> chalmer: no run it in linux :-)
[05:46] <chalmer> Daskreech> so what other options do i got left?
[05:46] <Daskreech> chalmer: there are three ways to get Windows to see Linux I can think of
[05:47] <pgraves__> ?
[05:47] <Daskreech> there is an easy install
[05:47] <Daskreech> which is going to suck when you try and access it
[05:48] <ubuntu> intelikey got dialup lame
[05:48] <chalmer> Daskreech> i did run it in linux and it shows all 5 computers w/ windows so do i need to restart all 5 of them to see my linux comp
[05:48] <Daskreech> and a hard install that will be very easy to get to in windows
[05:48] <aza> oii
[05:48] <pgraves__> Dwidmann, still with me?
[05:48] <dwidmann> pgraves: I'd avoid doing it with swap, it's not necessary
[05:49] <pgraves__> what do you mean?
[05:49] <dwidmann> pgraves__: also, it might complicate things if you do the boot partition too, but I'm not sure.
[05:49] <dwidmann> pgraves__ from what I've read the swap stripes by default if you have more than one swap partition, and that will give better performance anyhow
[05:50] <crazy_bus> in windows you could quickly open things with windows key+a letter.  Does kubuntu have shortcuts like this?
[05:50] <philphoto> need to lock a library version in synaptic but it's not applying the change.  help please?
[05:51] <intelikey> aza  hmmm  oh yeah dialup.
[05:52] <Daskreech> crazy_bus: what are you talking about?
[05:52] <intelikey> aza you can buy me a satalite if you want... :)
[05:52] <Daskreech> there is no win+a
[05:52] <Daskreech> crazy_bus: In any case alt+space
[05:52] <crazy_bus> to load windows explorer you pressed windowkey+e.  To search winkey+f etc
[05:53] <chalmer> Daskreech> i take it that linux does not support .wma music files since i just went to them on my windows comp. when i open tha music folders they are empty
[05:53] <Daskreech> !w32
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <tmbg> takes whatever extra codec stuff.
[05:53] <Daskreech> !w32codecs
[05:53] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:53] <tmbg> yeah that.
[05:54] <Daskreech> !codecs | chalmer. Read this
[05:54] <ubotu> chalmer. Read this: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:56] <intelikey> system seems a little lighter now.
[05:56] <philphoto> hello there?
[05:57] <intelikey> of course i had to reinstall the irc client and related support  (ppp and friends)
[05:57] <philphoto> I need to lock a library version in synaptic but it's not applying my change.  need some help with this issue.
[05:59] <pgraves__> im really confused now...... I created 6 partitions on each hard drive, I then changed 5 on each hard drive to be "physical volume for raid", I then chose "configure software raid" and did "create new "md device". It asked me how many active partitions and how many spares, I told them 5 each... then it asked me to select the 5 actives (i did so) and then it asked me to select the 5 spares (which I also did). After doing all
[05:59] <pgraves__> e everything is still the way I left it EXCEPT now there is an extra device called "RAID DEVICE" which has a partition of 147.9MB
[05:59] <pgraves__> The closest partition I have to this is my partition that I palanned to ues for /boot (which is 148MB)
[05:59] <pgraves__> Did it just RAID only the first partition and I still have to raid the others? If so why did it ask me for actives & spares... why didnt it ask me for an active (singular) and A Spare (singular)
[06:00] <pgraves__> ?
[06:00] <dwidmann> pgraves__: assuming you only want pairs, you do only one pair at a time
[06:00] <pgraves__> oh
[06:00] <pgraves__> well then
[06:00] <pgraves__> kk, one sec
[06:00] <dwidmann> you'd have to jump back into that dialog 2 more times
[06:00] <dwidmann> just connect the dots with the partitions of like sizes
[06:01] <intelikey> 2 more times ?
[06:01] <intelikey> 4 more
[06:02] <dwidmann> how many pairs is he making again o.O
[06:03] <intelikey> dwidmann 5 pairs
[06:04] <dwidmann> ah well
[06:05] <intelikey> me thinks five active and five spare equals five pairs
[06:05] <dwidmann> I bet you do
[06:06] <pgraves__> Ok, I just setup FIVE RAID PAIRs (I created FIVE MDs)
[06:07] <coty> can someone tell me were control center is
[06:07] <pgraves__> now I presume I then modify the created "RAID Partitions" to reflect their mount points
[06:07] <intelikey> coty alt+f2 kcontrol
[06:07] <coty> thanks
[06:08] <inteliwasp> !fchk
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fchk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <pgraves__> If so, should they all be ext3 or is there any reason to do otherwise? (Besides Other OS Compatibility)
[06:08] <Betzefer> what gui firewall do u use ?
[06:08] <philphoto> if anyone can help me with this problem, I'd appreciate it:  I need to lock a library version and synaptic won't apply my changes.  help needed
[06:08] <pbcustom98> ok question: everytime i login, i have to setup my resolution thru the nvidia control panel...how do i change this? ( saved it to my xorg config)
[06:08] <intelikey> Betzefer firewall ?
[06:09] <Betzefer> gui firewall
[06:09] <intelikey> !firewall
[06:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:09] <Betzefer> like firestarter
[06:09] <pgraves__> intelikey or dwidmann..... is there any reason for them not to be ext3 for my /boot, /home, /, /tmp, & /var ?
[06:09] <dwidmann> pgraves__: no, not really.
[06:10] <intelikey> pgraves__ nothing official.  but i have had less trubble with ext2 than with ext3    that's only personal exp.
[06:10] <dwidmann> Only thing you'll ever need to watch out for is that /boot can never be on an xfs partition
[06:10] <pgraves__> Ok, writing changes to disk (Something tells me this is going to take a while)
[06:10] <pgraves__> OS Installing
[06:11] <pgraves__> :: Crosses Fingers ::
[06:11] <intelikey> dwidmann gnome issue ?
[06:11] <dwidmann> GNOME? what would that have to do with me again exactly?
[06:11] <intelikey> sorry.  grub
[06:11] <dwidmann> Yes.
[06:11] <intelikey> duh it's saturday night....
[06:12] <dwidmann> hehe, I know the feeling, sort of.
[06:12] <intelikey> dwidmann then using lilo would probably circumvent that issue.
[06:13] <pgraves__> Now, so the THEORY is if I save data to this system and then I shut down the system and unplug one of the HDDs I should still have the data and then if I shut down again and unplug the remaining hard drive but replug the first hard drive I would still have the data also  correct? Basically if I unplug EITHER hard drives I should be able to boot into Ubuntu and access ANY data that was saved while both hard drives were in the
[06:13] <philphoto> I need to lock a library version and synaptic won't apply my changes.  help needed
[06:13] <dwidmann> Probably, but it's faster just to set it up this way (with ext2 /boot partition). I'm more familiar with grub anyhow
[06:13] <pgraves__> ARGH and error just popped up while installing
[06:13] <pgraves__> "Unable to install the selected kernel"
[06:14] <intelikey> pgraves__ i see one flaw in the idea   the boot process...
[06:14] <philphoto> in theory that's right, but I just separated a RAID 1 array (windows) and thank goodness I had everything backed up, because now I just have two separate drives & unreadable partitions.
[06:15] <dwidmann> pgraves: you didn't do the RAID on the /boot partition did you? That's usually a bad idea, it will cause the installer to bomb out
[06:15] <intelikey> dwidmann lilo is a walk in the park.    i now have both setup and can bat back and forth between at boot time.
[06:15] <philphoto> well, not so much anymore :) now that I have two different distros installed on both of them.
[06:15] <pgraves__> yes, I did the raid on the boot partition.... I wanted to make the hdd a COMPLETE mirror.... i.e. if could unplug EITHER hard drive any the server would still boot/function properly
[06:16] <dwidmann> pgraves__: let me see if I can find something on getting that to work then, I'm not sure if it's doable or not thoguh
[06:16] <intelikey> pgraves__ same size disks ?
[06:16] <pgraves__> identical
[06:16] <pgraves__> and all of the partitions are identical
[06:17] <pgraves__> more specifically the kernel package its trying is "linux-image-generic"
[06:17] <intelikey> idea.   setup on one.  don't do raid at all.    when finished dd the one to the other.   total mirror
[06:17] <pgraves__> dd?
[06:17] <intelikey> yep.
[06:17] <pgraves__> what is dd?
[06:17] <intelikey> man dd
[06:18] <pgraves__> dd looks more aimed for files not for partitions
[06:18] <intelikey> they ported dd to dos under the name "rawwrite.exe"  well sort of a port....
[06:19] <intelikey> pgraves__ nope.    and even if it were so.  everything is a file.
[06:19] <pgraves__> so Intelikey, your suggestion is to raid EVERYTHING except /boot,  then once the OS is loaded image /boot to the corresponding partition I have setup for /boot?
[06:20] <intelikey> no i don't think that's what i said.
[06:20] <intelikey> let me not confuse you some more maybe.
[06:20] <pgraves__> you mean dd ALL the partitions?
[06:20] <intelikey> i mean dd the disk
[06:20] <pgraves__> but dd is a one time thing, not an ongoing action
[06:20] <pgraves__> I need realtime mirroring
[06:21] <intelikey> oh then why were you talking unplug ?
[06:21] <Voorhees86> how i install java jsk6
[06:21] <Voorhees86> jdk6
[06:21] <Voorhees86> ?
[06:22] <hawk_> if the nv logo dos not show up at start up dos that mean the drivers are not working
[06:22] <pgraves__> Basically.... my server has two hard drives... I want them to be COMPLETE mirrors of one another. Once this is done I want to test it by shutting the system down..... and rebooting with one of the HDDs unplugged, then once I see that working I will try rebooting with only the OTHER HDD plugged in that way I know they're both fully bootable and mirrored)
[06:22] <intelikey> hawk_ i think that's right.
[06:22] <pgraves__> and I want the mirrors to continually update.... Im trying to setup redundancy
[06:23] <philphoto> help please.  I need to lock a library version and synaptic is not applying my changes.  help please.
[06:23] <hawk_> dam how can i get them to work i have downloaded them with adept
[06:24] <intelikey> pgraves__ i may be wrong about it,  probably am, but i think you will need a blank drive to replace the one you remove if you dont want the raid to crap out.... someone may need to step in on that.
[06:25] <intelikey> !nv | hawk_
[06:25] <ubotu> hawk_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <intelikey> best i can do for you on that hawk_
[06:25] <hawk_> intelikey:thanks man anything helps
[06:25] <philphoto> anyone out there that may be able to help?
[06:25] <hawk_> !opengl
[06:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <pgraves__> Intelikey... I have TWO blank drives right now.... what Im trying to do is to setup a RAID option so that if 2 years down the road one of them fails, the other will boot fine and contain all useful data
[06:26] <intelikey> i tried to get the packaged drivers to work for my system and failed perfectly well.
[06:26] <carutsu> hey how do i mount shared windows folders?
[06:26] <intelikey> pgraves__ but if you remove one and don't put a blank in it's place and power the system wont it "unraid" it's self ?
[06:27] <Voorhees86> how i install java jdk6?
[06:27] <intelikey> !jdk
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <intelikey> me and the bot both drew a blank on that...
[06:27] <dwidmann> hmm, I wonder if you could effectively mirror the /boot using rsync or similar
[06:28] <intelikey> !sun-java5-jdk
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java5-jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <dwidmann> Voorhees86: I thought it was in the backports repository?
[06:28] <intelikey> !sun-java5-jdk dapper
[06:28] <soulrider> intelikey: the package is sun-java6-jdk
[06:28] <soulrider> java 5 is old :P
[06:28] <intelikey> !info sun-java5-jdk dapper
[06:28] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 4868 kB, installed size 11548 kB
[06:28] <intelikey> !info sun-java6-jdk edgy
[06:28] <ubotu> Package sun-java6-jdk does not exist in edgy
[06:28] <philphoto> I think the easiest way to have a mirror backup drive is using an external set to backup 100% data
[06:28] <carutsu> hey how do i mount shared windows folders?
[06:28] <philphoto> instead of RAID.
[06:28] <intelikey> !info sun-java*-jdk edgy
[06:28] <ubotu> Package sun-java-jdk does not exist in edgy
[06:28] <pgraves__> The way RAIDs normally work is Your system acts like its running only one Hard drive (so even though you have 2 hard drives, you're not actually able to store two hard drives worth of data). Everytime you save something to one hard drive, it also is saved to the second hard drive.... the idea is if the primary (or secondary) fails the other one kicks in, a RAID's status is normally continually available, such as healthy (all
[06:28] <pgraves__> isks are failing or failed). If I setup a raid and boot without one of hte disks, I should still be able to boot, but should be informed that the RAID status is degraded
[06:29] <Voorhees86> yeah dosent exist
[06:29] <pgraves__> dwidmann any ideas?
[06:29] <intelikey> !info sun-java6-jdk feisty
[06:29] <ubotu> sun-java6-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9269 kB, installed size 31240 kB
[06:29] <philphoto> anyone willing to help?
[06:29] <intelikey> Voorhees86 what release are you running ?
[06:29] <dwidmann> pgraves__: none other than the aforementioned
[06:30] <dwidmann> philphoto: might be able to get a better response to something about synaptic in #ubuntu
[06:30] <philphoto> thanks.
[06:30] <carutsu> can anyone tell me how do i mount shared windows folders?
[06:31] <intelikey> Voorhees86 ?
[06:31] <hawk_> intelilkey: how old are you
[06:31] <intelikey> hawk_ yeah
[06:31] <intelikey> !nfs
[06:31] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[06:32] <intelikey> carutsu ^  and !samba
[06:32] <Voorhees86> 1.6
[06:32] <hawk_> intelikey: becouse i owe you a beer
[06:32] <pgraves__> dwidmann, your suggestion is to not raid /boot correct?
[06:32] <hawk_> cold beer
[06:32] <intelikey> hawk_ too old for that.   but thanks just the same.
[06:32] <hawk_> ;)
[06:33] <hawk_> intelikey: yeah just forgot one step and then i did it and it all working
[06:33] <carutsu> intelikey yes im wel aware of samba but there's a package i need before i can mount a folder as smb but ic ant recall what was
[06:33] <intelikey> Voorhees86 in a konsole do  lsb_release -a    and tell me the code name please
[06:34] <intelikey> !samba
[06:34] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:36] <pgraves__> according to the interweb it is
[06:36] <intelikey> link ?
[06:37] <pgraves__> True, they did not mention whole disk, but they do offer screenshots to partition setup
[06:37] <intelikey> hardware raid would i guess.
[06:37] <hawk_> anyone know a good cd burning program that will burn music cds from mp3s
[06:38] <pgraves__> http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html
[06:38] <intelikey> pgraves__ i don't use partitions.
[06:38] <surgy> im trying to get panda 3d to work on my kubuntu 6.10 edgy install and im trying to compile from source, im finding out that its not the usual steps in a compile can someone help please?
[06:38] <HaSH> !k3b > hawk_
[06:38] <HaSH> !k3b | hawk_
[06:38] <ubotu> hawk_: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[06:39] <intelikey> surgy all the normal "install build-essential and kernel headers" jargon covered already ?
[06:39] <pgraves__> Would it do any good to consider setting this up as ext2 instead of ext3 (could THAT be the issue)?
[06:40] <pgraves__> dwidmann..... I never heard back from you..... was your suggestion to simply not try booting off the raid?
[06:40] <intelikey> i can't say no to that pgraves__
[06:40] <surgy> intelikey: can you be a tad bit more clear on our question please?
[06:41] <hawk_> thanx that worked
[06:41] <dwidmann> pgraves__: that'd be the easiest way yes
[06:42] <dwidmann> Perhaps you could just regularly back up that partiton also, with a cron job or something
[06:42] <hawk_> will k3b burn mp4 files divx to vcd or dvd
[06:43] <intelikey> surgy just asking if you had everything you needed to install installed befor you tried to build ?
[06:44] <surgy> intelikey: well the source package comes with a comprehensive set of additional tools to aid in game developement the readme file says to compile all the tools i want and then compile panda
[06:44] <pgraves__> dwidman.... /boot simply contains the kernel files required to initiate boot... and unless I change my kernel those wont change, correct?
[06:44] <surgy> intelikey: short answer: to the best of my knowledge
[06:44] <intelikey> ok so what is the error message ?
[06:45] <surgy> intelikey: no error message, wait, i think its installed via a python script
[06:45] <bill__k> Hi, monitor and display preferences are not working for me.  I just installed the fglrx binary drivers, now when I click the admin mode, to get out of 640x480 res, the border changes to red and it locks up
[06:45] <bill__k> again "Monitor and Display" options under system settings
[06:46] <intelikey> surgy yeah an   ls --color=auto     in the root dir of the source is always the best start
[06:47] <hawk_> bill_k what video card do you have
[06:47] <bill__k> ati9800pro.
[06:47] <bill__k> I was originally trying to install the binary driver for dual monitor support
[06:47] <bill__k> now I just want out of 640x480 lol
[06:47] <dwidmann> pgraves__: correct
[06:48] <intelikey> well you fellows will "perscuse" me now,  i'm went.
[06:49] <hawk_> bill_k well sorry i cant find anything
[06:49] <pgraves__> HOLY (INSERT preferred slang for fecal matter here), I THINK ITS WORKING... I changed all the partitions to EXT2 & reaffirmed that mount points were set for all raid partitions and it APPEARs to have gotten past where it was stuck
[06:49] <bill__k> hawk_: thanks for looking
[06:49] <dwidmann> hooray
[06:49] <hawk_> np
[06:50] <pgraves__> :: Crosses fingers again ::
[06:50] <dwidmann> oh, and pgraves, setting the mountpoints isn't strictly necessary ... I sometimes find it faster to do them after, all at once :)
[06:51] <surgy> intelikey: it seams that im missing g++ what package do i need to get?
[06:52] <pgraves__> g++
[06:52] <hawk_> bill_k take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28ati%29
[06:52] <surgy> pgraves__: g++ is the name of the package?
[06:52] <pgraves__> yup
[06:53] <vids> I have problems with KDE... anybody can helpme?
[06:54] <pgraves__> dwidmann: Unless just doing it twice made it suddenly work, the only thing I did was change all the partitions to ext2 instead of ext3 and then reset the mount points (Remember the issue I was having was that it was saying it couldnt copy the kernel to the system)
[06:54] <dwidmann> pgraves__: Yeah, the installer is picky that way
[06:54] <pgraves__> You think it was teh ext3?
[06:54] <dwidmann> quite probably
[06:55] <hawk_> anyone know if k3b can burn mp4 and dix
[06:55] <dwidmann> I'm pretty sure the only partition that mattered was /boot though prgraves
[06:55] <Voorhees86> any one knows a lightweight java ide
[06:55] <dwidmann> *pgraves__
[06:56] <dwidmann> Voorhees86: vim?
[06:56] <dwidmann> j/k
[06:56] <Voorhees86> ??
[06:56] <pgraves__> likely
[06:56] <dwidmann> !info vim | Voorhees86
[06:56] <ubotu> voorhees86: vim: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0-035+1ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1420 kB
[06:58] <dwidmann> age-old text editor ... with the appropriate scripts it could probably be made useful though. That's as lightweight as you get ..... I was trying to be funny, I think
[06:58] <jack_deltrino> How can I rsync to an alternative port?
[06:58] <jack_deltrino> rsync -avze ssh --port=10000 .... doesn't seem to connect on port 10000
[06:59] <surgy> im trying to compile pand3d from source using the makepanda system and i recieved the following errors: http://www.pastebin.ca/419249 can someone shed some light on this for me please?
[06:59] <Voorhees86> i install the jdk1.6 but command javac dosent work
[07:00] <dwidmann> Voorhees86: you need to run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[07:00] <dwidmann> and for javac too
[07:00] <dwidmann> etc
[07:01] <surgy> anyone ?
[07:02] <Voorhees86> no alternative for javac
[07:02] <sonoftheclayr> why is that when i scroll up and down the edge of the touchpad in edgy using kde 3.5.6 as in the kubuntu repos does it scroll but not in feisty?
[07:02] <dwidmann> Voorhees86: where did you install from? If you download the .bin from sun.com you'll need to add the java bin directory to the path
[07:02] <dwidmann> ** $PATH that is
[07:02] <hawk_> is avi mp4 formats supported by k3b and what do i have to do about get them
[07:03] <Voorhees86> no, i install from repository
[07:03] <dwidmann> hawk, I suppose it would likely depend on what the video/audio codecs used were
[07:03] <dwidmann> try it and see if it works?
[07:03] <dwidmann>  and if it doesn't work ... try k3b 1.0, it's vastly improved
[07:04] <hawk_> did and it said no you only mp1 and mp2 supported but can i get mp4
[07:04] <dwidmann> surgy: looks liike greek to me o.O
[07:04] <dwidmann> hawk: try version 1.0, if it doesn't support it you probably won't get support for it from k3b
[07:04] <pope1> I think Surgy left, dwid...
[07:04] <pope1> lol
[07:04] <pollyo> !kvm
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <dwidmann> thinking is obviously not on my agenda today
[07:05] <dwidmann> neither is paying attention ^^;
[07:05] <pope1> It happens.
[07:05] <SilentDis> hello :)
[07:05] <hawk_> how do i update to k3b 1.0
[07:05] <dwidmann> hawk_: manually ...
[07:06] <hawk_> ok thanks
[07:06] <dwidmann> download the source and compile it ..
[07:06] <hawk_> omg
[07:06] <pollyo> I was able to install it though adept.  Perhaps that is because I am running feisty?
[07:06] <jack_deltrino> Anyone?
[07:06] <pollyo> (in reference to k3b)
[07:07] <dwidmann> pollyo: which version do you have installed?
[07:07] <SilentDis> as I slowly switch from Gnome to KDE, I prefer to use 'kde specific apps', to get the 'full' experience.  what would everyone recommend for a good CD ripper?  I want to go from audio CD to MP3s via LAME.  I'm used to GRip, and will continue to use it, unless someone can suggest something more geared to KDE :)
[07:07] <dwidmann> ahah
[07:07] <bill__k> hawk_: tried replacing xorg.conf with a backup and it didn't work so i i finally just rm'ed /etc/X11/xorg.conf*.  killed x and it worked! (probably not a great solution, because then i'd be stuck fixing the whole thing cli, but I got lucky)
[07:07] <dwidmann> It  must be a new one in there
[07:07] <pollyo> dwidmann: I'm loading it now to recheck.  I thought it updated to 1.0
[07:07] <dwidmann> It has showed up within the last several days
[07:07] <bill__k> !binarydrivers
[07:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:07] <hawk_> bill_k thats good
[07:07] <bill__k> same link for kubuntu
[07:08] <dwidmann> I finished my dist-upgrade monday or tuesday and k3b 1.0 wasn't in then
[07:08] <comrade> where are the resolution settings in kubuntu
[07:08] <hawk_> bill_k will i tink i will keep that in mind the next time some one has the same problem
[07:08] <pollyo> I have k3b 1.0
[07:08] <dwidmann> As for installing it on non-feisty though, i don't think it's possible, it just has too many updated dependencies to be feasable I'm sure
[07:09] <dwidmann> pollyo, I know, I just haven't been keeping up with the updates since I dist-upgraded
[07:09] <pollyo> I am on feisty though... That could be why...
[07:09] <pollyo> dwidmann: Oh..
[07:10] <pollyo> anyone use qemu and kvm?
[07:10] <SilentDis> can anyone recommend a good CD Ripping app for KDE?  (I'm using GRip, but am curious if there's any good KDE apps out there)
[07:11] <dwidmann> SilentDis: K3b is solid
[07:11] <dwidmann> I'm fairly certain Konqueror, Kaffeine, and KAudioCreator share the same backend for doing their ripping, and they work okay also
[07:11] <SilentDis> dwidmann: kind of an 'all in one' deal, eh?  i'm still trying to find a package of 1.0 somewhere to install (edgy eft here still)
[07:12] <dwidmann> SilentDis, if you're lucky you might get a backport, more likely though, you'll have to wait for feisty, or compile it yourself (not too hard really)
[07:13] <SilentDis> dwidmann: I was thinking of compiling it, or just grabbing the debian package... though feisty is less than 1 month away, I'll probably just wait :)
[07:14] <dwidmann> I upgraded when Feisty hit beta .... I always wait for the beta ... saves me trouble, and trouble is bad when you don't have a whole lot of bandwidth
[07:14] <SilentDis> dwidmann: yeah, not sure what I'm gonna do.   Windows?
[07:15] <mrigns> lol
[07:15] <dwidmann> SilentDis: I pay an arm and a leg for satellite, also a fair way out of town
[07:16] <SilentDis> dwidmann: yeah, i looked over all the Sat providers, the caps they all put on there are REALLY a turn-off for me, I'd exceed them weekly, and I know it.  add in that I play WoW, and the 3000ms lag would NOT be acceptable lol
[07:16] <matrix> hi
[07:17] <comrade> where is the command to adjust your video settings in kde
[07:18] <pgraves__> g2g .... going home ppls... THANKS Everyone (I may jump back in from home).... Extra Thanks to Dwiddma
[07:18] <pgraves__> dwidmann*
[07:18] <pollyo> comrade: K > System Settings > Monitor & Display
[07:18] <dwidmann> later
[07:19] <dwidmann> and you're welcome
[07:19] <dwidmann> silentdis: the caps are awful ..... and the lag is actually more like 1500ms ...
[07:19] <comrade> pollyo: what is the command for it, it's not appearing on my menu
[07:20] <pollyo> comrade: I do not know.  I use the GUI
[07:20] <SilentDis> dwidmann: still, I'm actually effective with dialup, i usually hover around 350ms pings, only inital loads are 'rough', but once i'm in, I'm fine.
[07:20] <dwidmann> Oh, and those caps, I think I exceed them daily, when kubuntu is nearing release time ...
[07:20] <SilentDis> dwidmann: lol i bet
[07:20] <tmbg> comrade, systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[07:21] <dwidmann> I think I can do about 170mb, then I'm out-of-commission for about 12 hours, then I do it again, etc
[07:21] <tmbg> comrade, seems to be at /usr/bin/systemsettings
[07:21] <comrade> i just added kde to an xubuntu install, seems to be leaving out things like that in the menu
[07:22] <comrade> that doesnt exist as a command for me :/
[07:22] <pollyo> I hope kqemu speeds qemu up quite a bit.... I've been installing windows xp for an hour and it is still working on copying files.
[07:22] <SilentDis> dwidmann: you know... it might actually be a GOOD idea to throttle your eth0 connection to only allow you to use it up after around 15 days.  i remember seeing an article about doing just that... let me poke a bit...
[07:22] <pope1> Who the hell would put their monitor orientation to "upsidedown", save as a joke one someone else's box?
[07:22] <pope1> o_O
[07:23] <SilentDis> pope1: because it's funny. lol
[07:23] <dwidmann> silentdis, it's not like that actually, it's just a 170mb cap ... when I hit it it goes death slow for about 12 hours, then I can do it again. No monthly limit or the like.
[07:24] <dwidmann> pope1: that sounds like a pretty good joke to me, I think I might pull it on my brother
[07:24] <SilentDis> dwidmann: ahhh.  whom is your provider?  maybe throttle to allow 170mb over a 4-hr period only?  i dunno
[07:24] <unfo> hi all, can dh_make_perl automatically download the Perl module for Bundle::Perl::Critic and the entire tree of modules it depends on, then build .debs of them all, with one command?
[07:24] <tmbg> pope1, some sorts of lcd's and plasmas and whatnot are more conveniently mounted on walls upside-down
[07:24] <dwidmann> Silentdis, something like that, one of the many hughsnet/direcway resellers
[07:25] <SilentDis> dwidmann: ahh.  i was looking at WildBlue, they sent me PaperSpam recently :P
[07:26] <pollyo> Perhap the option was made for monitors that are set in table tops so the display can be flipped much like table top arcade games that can have two players taking turns.
[07:26] <pope1> Or maybe for some programmer who liked the joke...
[07:26] <dwidmann> mmhmm, so you looked and said no, or a definite maybe at best I'm guessing ..... satellite providers are like thieves I swear
[07:26] <pollyo> pope1: That may be how it was first made. <grin>
[07:26] <pope1> Whatever, I just saw it and was like...WTF?
[07:28] <pope1> Not that it's very /good/, but it's free.
[07:28] <SilentDis> dwidmann: yeah.  this is about the 'best' deal i've seen.  $200 in equipment, $60/month for their 'basic' package that, as I said, I would eat in about 3 days.  their best package would set me back $80/month, and I'd eat it in about a week and a half :P
[07:30] <SilentDis> dwidmann: what REALLY sucks, is there's only CMDA cell towers around here.  also, there IS a wifi broadband provider about 10mi away, and the tech they use can reach 15 mi... they just don't wanna stretch it beyond 5mi, so they won't sell to me :(
[07:31] <pope1> SilentDis: yeah, a friend of mine lives way out in the boonies of Maryland.  She told me she can get service at the end of her street, but not in her house.
[07:31] <SilentDis> pope1: aak lol
[07:31] <dwidmann> silentdis: I know the feeling, I'm 20,000 feet from the dsl place .... probably about 15 miles from the nearest wireless place. In other words, SOL but not by a lot
[07:32] <SilentDis> dwidmann: lol i'm 11.9kft from the CO.  they have all the equip in place... but no data backhaul, only a line for phone service!  i hate verizon :P
[07:32] <chemicalvamp> hehe im within 40 yards of a neighbors wireless router xD
[07:32] <pope1> vamp: that's what my dad does, leeches off the neighbors...
[07:33] <chemicalvamp> poorstrength, but still like 60kbps dl
[07:33] <SilentDis> chemicalvamp: that's better than 2.5k/sec! *pouts*
[07:33] <pollyo> Any idea why I wouldn't be able to use kqemu?  Where would I find information on requirements for it?
[07:33] <dwidmann> SilentDis: ouch
[07:34] <dwidmann> not even 4? ... blah
[07:35] <SilentDis> dwidmann: my phonelines SUCK.  i have ultra high-end shielded solid copper wire coming from the box outside to a SINGLE phone jack that the modem connects to.  and that's still the best I can get.
[07:36] <dwidmann> SilentDis: I think I was getting about the same on dialup really.
[07:36] <dwidmann> perhaps less if that's even possible
[07:36] <chemicalvamp> lol wow irc.ubuntu.com - lag: 192 s (back to 1snow
[07:37] <SilentDis> dwidmann: if there's a lot of wind, it gets worse.  I think my lines are up on poles out there somewhere :P
[07:37] <harry> I am using GNOME with Amarok. How do I keep it from popping up the blue box that tells you the current song every time a song ends?
[07:37] <tmbg> learn to love and enjoy the annoying blue box1
[07:38] <SilentDis> harry: it's a setting.  let me open mine right quick to find it for ya :)
[07:38] <dwidmann> silent, kind of like when it rains, I lose my connection ...
[07:38] <dwidmann> or if there is a cloud in the sky ...
[07:38] <SilentDis> harry: Settings > Configure Amarok > OSD > Remove check for "Use On-Screen-Display"
[07:39] <harry> OK. Thanks. Also, is there a way I can see the Help menu in GNOME?
[07:39] <sonoftheclayr> does anyone else have problems with amarok in feisty?
[07:40] <SilentDis> dwidmann: i'm curious if the xm/sirius merger will finally have them realize they can do single-directional broadband offerings (upload via dialup, download via sat).  they transmit their music at around 500kbps last I checked into it.
[07:40] <DrOnline> I have a problem with amarok in feisty, arts isn't showing up =\
[07:41] <sonoftheclayr> mine keeps locking up after i go to play an mp3 and mp3 support isn't installed (i could've sworn it was)
[07:41] <SilentDis> harry: that'll be a tough one.  I installed the full kubuntu-desktop package when I was using armarok under gnome, and it worked... but I assume it was because i had the other stuff too.  I'm not sure which package provides that, sorry :(
[07:41] <harry> sonoftheclayr: Yeah, I had problems [ wouldn't start]  , but I had some other problems with Feisty, so I reinstalled Edgy.
[07:41] <harry> OK. Is there an online manual?
[07:42] <sonoftheclayr> harry: lucky for me i upgraded a clean version of edgy so my main install is untouched
[07:42] <SilentDis> harry: well, what specifically are you looking to do?  I've used it rather extensivly :)
[07:42] <SilentDis> harry: also, there SHOULD be a man page.  man armarok
[07:43] <SilentDis> ah well... i should head to bed.  gotta work in... 8 hours *cry*
[07:44] <SilentDis> g'night all
[07:44] <dwidmann> night
[07:44] <harry> SilentDis: I don't really want to do anything in particular, i just want to RTFM. It saves lots of time.
[07:44] <pope1> Night Dis.
[07:44] <xushi> ugh.. /me at work now =/
[07:44] <xushi> and i wish i was sleeping
[07:44] <SilentDis> harry: I'm headed to bed... hit google and search for amarok, i'm rather sure they have a howto on their homepage at the least :)
[07:44] <harry> OK.
[07:44] <xushi> or #amarok :)
[07:45] <dwidmann> amarok.kde.org ?
[07:49] <carutsu> what do i need to install in order to get K3B to burn mp3?
[07:50] <sonoftheclayr> carutsu: can't you just burn it straight onto a data cd?
[07:50] <carutsu> sonofttheclayr it ask for it
[07:51] <carutsu> it says: "K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files."
[07:51] <dwidmann> carutsu, probably libxine-extracodecs
[07:51] <dwidmann> wait
[07:51] <dwidmann> that's for playback
[07:51] <dwidmann> one sec
[07:51] <dwidmann> maybe libmad0
[07:51] <sonoftheclayr> libxine-ffmpeg?
[07:51] <dwidmann> yeah, there we go, I think k3b wants libmad0
[07:52] <sonoftheclayr> dwidmann: next guess :)
[07:52] <carutsu> nevermind  is: libk3b2-mp3
[07:52] <dwidmann> hmm o.O so it may be
[07:52] <dwidmann> I just remember having to build k3b with libmad-dev
[07:53] <carutsu> k3b 1.0 rocks
[07:53] <sonoftheclayr> thanks carutsu this will come in useful for me too :)
[07:53] <carutsu> sonofttheclayr: glad to be usefull
[07:54] <sonoftheclayr> you're right k3b 1.0 does rock! i've only used the one in edgy
[07:55] <K`zan> Anyone know why on Feisty that my USB device all seem to fail with an error -62 but seem to show up if I unplug and replug them?
[07:56] <carutsu> for festy go to #ubuntu+1
[07:56] <K`zan> carutsu: RR thanks.
[07:56] <carutsu> np
[07:56] <carutsu> hey! thunderbird has its icons back! i love the "real" logo
[07:58] <akent813_> what
[08:16] <pollyo> Ok Qemu is moving along much better with kqemu working.
[08:17] <pollyo> I should have aborted the installation after the first 20 minutes when I saw it going so slow.
[08:21] <pollyo> Do they have any distribution that will run on a machine with 64 Megs with any style of GUI?
[08:21] <kristjan> hi, can i do something about slowdowns on my computer? my laptop occasionaly almost freezes and i can't do anything, not even close applications when it's so slow
[08:21] <brophat> the kubunut install cd, does it also dual as a live cd; the way ubuntu does it?
[08:22] <pollyo> brophat: I believe so.
[08:22] <brophat> pollyo ok, so is that a high certainty?
[08:23] <pope1> It does, 100% certain.
[08:23] <pollyo> brophat: Yes.  I used it on another machine without installing it.
[08:23] <brophat> ok thanks for the info
[08:24] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with the text to voice system?
[08:24] <ElusiveCreature> hey there guys....is anybody willing to help me solve a desktop ubuntu problem?
[08:24] <pollyo> !festival
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about festival - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <ElusiveCreature> I\m having a problem with my mounted NTFS file systems....I can see and list their contents, but I can\t write to them because the owner of the filesystems is "root"
[08:26] <xushi> mornin
[08:26] <standa> how to install new nvidia 9631 driver? - kubuntu always overwrite the kernel module with old 713
[08:26] <pollyo> ElusiveCreature: Have you mounted NTFS with a read/write ability on?
[08:27] <standa> TO ELUSIVE - edit fstab and add option users
[08:27] <pollyo> ElusiveCreature: I believe I installed NTFS3g or something like that giving me the ability to write to NTFS
[08:27] <ElusiveCreature> pollyo: I'm not sure....I'm a bit new to Linux
[08:27] <pollyo> !ntfs
[08:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:27] <hakanceng> arkadalar merhaba trke bilen arkada varm
[08:28] <standa> anyone here with Echoaudio Gina20????
[08:28] <ElusiveCreature> oh okay....so this is a package of some sort, right?
[08:29] <pollyo> ElusiveCreatures: I installed the NTFS-3G using the package manager in kubuntu.
[08:30] <pollyo> ElusiveCreatures: Then I found an Ubuntu website that discussed the setup in fstab.  Let me get my fstab setting for it.  Perhaps it will help you a bit.
[08:30] <ElusiveCreature> ahh...brilliant....saves me having to build it!