[01:54] <hughbert> good morning..
[01:55] <hughbert> anybody still up?
[11:31] <ebel> yo yo
[11:31] <ebel> there's a new logbot?
[11:31] <emboss> hey ebel
[11:31] <ebel> yo yo emboss
[14:34] <ebel> airurando: just did that
[14:34] <ebel> airurando: sorry for that. wasn't thinking :P
[14:34] <ebel> IRC meeting is thursday 19th. I mistakenly thought that was tonight. it's not. IRC meeting is one week from now
[14:36] <airurando> Thanks ebel
[14:36] <airurando> Sorry about
[14:36] <airurando> Using Twitter
[14:37] <airurando> Forgot I could use HTC.
[14:41] <airurando> To clarify. Forgot I could connect to irc from phone. No irc allowed at work.
[14:47] <Pendulum> ebel: don't you mean wednesday 19th?
[14:48] <ebel> Pendulum: yes you're right
[14:48]  * ebel 's has half a cold, so i'm making lots of mental mistakes :)


[03:37] <Sarvatt> incase ya guys update mesa to 7.6.1+ now it requires libdrm-radeon1 2.4.17+ to build
[07:22] <bryce_> Sarvatt, found problems with libdrm 2.4.17?
[07:34] <tjaalton> the radeon API has changed, so mesa&ati need to be rebuilt when libdrm is updated
[07:37] <tjaalton> they also need to be updated to build
[16:05] <Sarvatt> do control+alt+f-keys work for anyone in lucid to switch from a VT back to X?
[16:07] <tseliot> yep, at least with intel
[16:08] <Sarvatt> ah thanks for checking, guess its just a problem with my setup and not a general problem then
[16:24] <apw> RAOF, hey ... you about?
[20:01] <alex-weej> since we moved to xplash
[20:01] <alex-weej> my xcalib line in /etc/gdm/Init/Default does nothing
[20:02] <alex-weej> perhaps the whole file does nothing
[20:02] <alex-weej> help!
[20:37] <Sarvatt> jcristau: if it helps any, this commit completely fixes the flickering and freezing on a solid color problem on intel for me: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=commit;h=cf74ecbbff3e3b45bae61d28d2220f74d853e2f0
[20:37] <Sarvatt> just wish it applied to 2.6.32 :D
[20:40] <Sarvatt> i'm amazed i'm down to 6.1 watts idle power usage with the screen on with the latest drm-intel-next kernel, <IP_ADDRESS> and 2.6.33 are both closer to 8 watts and i'm using i915 powersave=0 on them all
[20:43] <Sarvatt> hmm, getting glyph corruption after resume on this drm-intel-next one though, all the letter a's have a line through them just in gnome terminal
[20:44] <Sarvatt> minimized and maximized and now it's just k's, weird
[20:57] <jcristau> Sarvatt: so we need a backport of that to .32?
[21:02] <Sarvatt> yeah for sure, it doesnt apply to <IP_ADDRESS> here as-is but eric anholt mentioned about sending it to stable here so I'm hoping http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-December/005234.html
[21:23] <bryce_> heya
[21:23] <bryce_> Sarvatt, how are things looking with libdrm lately?
[21:26] <Sarvatt> hasn't changed here, haven't really been any intel commits since right before 2.4.16 released at the beginning of december when the problem started for me and a few other people. i've managed to have >24 hours uptime so far on 2.4.17 though with a drm-intel-next kernel somehow though
[21:27]  * Sarvatt is asking to crash any minute now.
[21:27] <bryce_> heh
[21:27] <bryce_> any luck getting debug data on it?
[21:28] <Sarvatt> yeah, just overwrote it all by accident last time it happend with a > instead of a >>, yay
[21:28] <bryce_> oops
[21:28] <Sarvatt> just found this bug about it though http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25475
[21:38] <bryce_> hrm
[21:38] <bryce_> Sarvatt, ok I'll raise this with yingying
[21:42] <Sarvatt> i went back to the crack to try to make it crash again, looks like i might need to use the lucid kernel too because it's not happening with drm-intel-next.
[21:48] <bryce_> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/x.html
[21:50] <Sarvatt> too funny, crashed while i was saying how it wasnt crashing
[21:50] <Sarvatt> got all the debug info though, i'll put it up after a bit of christmas shopping :)
[22:44] <RAOF> apw: Hi, I am about now.
[22:44] <RAOF> apw: Have you gone yet? :/
[23:14] <RAOF> Sarvatt: How'd you like to test a new nouveau-kernel-source that Recommends: nouveau-firmware?
[23:24] <tjaalton> RAOF: he was asking for the nouveau trees, I gave the links to the ones posted on dri-devel@
[23:36] <RAOF> Ah, OK.


[02:37] <vpa1977> Hi, if someone has a bit of time would it be possible to take a look at jsurf-alggeo patch here https://code.launchpad.net/~vpa1977/ubuntu/+source/jsurf-alggeo/+git/jsurf-alggeo/+merge/439875 This package autopkgtest blocks openjdk from time to time and the patch solves race condition in the failing test. Thank you!!!!!!
[14:51] <ahasenack> sergiodj: hi, you did openldap uploads in the past
[14:51] <ahasenack> I'm struggling with this exim4 tls error in dep8
[14:51] <ahasenack> in this case, for kinetic
[14:51] <ahasenack> but the history of that test is bad
[14:51] <ahasenack> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/e/exim4/kinetic/ppc64el
[14:51] <ahasenack> lots of retries, most fail, but a migration-reference/0 passed in the first attempt
[14:51] <ahasenack> I have a ppc64el vm, and that test runs just fine there
[14:52] <ahasenack> have you investigated this further at some point in the past, for your openldap srus, or just hammered the retry button?
[14:55] <sergiodj> ahasenack: hey.  I haven't investigated this problem yet; I was just hammering the retry button, as you say.  this seems to be related to openssl3 and not openldap, though.
[14:56] <ahasenack> oh, I take it back, it fails with the updated libldap
[14:56] <ahasenack> fascinating
[14:56] <ahasenack> just on ppc64el
[14:58] <sergiodj> hm, really?
[14:59] <sergiodj> so it may be something related to openldap after all
[14:59] <ahasenack> yeah, but this is basically an openldap rebuild as far as exim4 is concerned
[14:59] <ahasenack> it's the gcc flag change for the sha2 module, which is not even loaded
[15:00] <ahasenack> I mean, slapd is not even installed (which is what has that module)
[15:00] <ahasenack> so it's something else
[15:02] <sergiodj> this is strange.  this openssl error reminds me of those EOF problems we sometimes encounter
[15:33] <sergiodj> ahasenack: can you give me access to the ppc64el machine?
[15:33] <sergiodj> I'd like to take a look at the problem
[15:51] <sergiodj> ahasenack: I downgraded libldap to 2.5.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> and could still reproduce the problem
[16:46] <sergiodj> ahasenack: I found some interesting stuff.  I'll ping you when I get back from lunch
[16:49] <ahasenack> sergiodj: did you restart exim4 after that downgrade?
[17:45] <ahasenack> gnutls assert
[17:46] <ahasenack> unknown error code
[17:46] <ahasenack> helpful as ever
[17:48] <ahasenack> oh my, what aberration is this: libgnutls-openssl27 :)
[17:48] <ahasenack> "This package contains the runtime library of the GnuTLS OpenSSL wrapper"
[17:49] <tobhe> if you like the worst of both worlds
[18:04] <ahasenack> so with the previous gnutls, the test passes
[18:04] <ahasenack> gnutls had a security update
[18:04] <ahasenack> I wonder if the exim4 tests passed when that security update came out
[18:17] <ahasenack> ...and now the test is passing
[18:17]  * ahasenack scratches head
[18:40] <vorlon> ahasenack: libgnutls-openssl27> omg is something actually using that? in the archive?
[18:40] <vorlon> we should really kill it, it's incomplete and useless
[18:40] <vorlon> also it's the only part of libgnutls that was licensed GPL instead of LGPL, out of spite
[18:40] <vorlon> (which is why nobody cared about making it good)
[18:43] <ahasenack> vorlon: yeah, in kinetic at least, where I'm troubleshooting something
[18:43] <ahasenack> $ dpkg -s libgnutls28-dev | grep Depends
[18:43] <ahasenack> Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, libgnutls-dane0 (= 3.7.7-2ubuntu2.1), libgnutls-openssl27 (= 3.7.7-2ubuntu2.1), libgnutls30 (= 3.7.7-2ubuntu2.1), libgnutlsxx30 (= 3.7.7-2ubuntu2.1), libidn2-dev, libp11-kit-dev (>= 0.23.10), libtasn1-6-dev, nettle-dev (>= 3.6)
[18:45] <tobhe> just wait until openssl sunsets 1.1 in september and everyone is forced to switch to gnutls-openssl ;)
[18:46] <mdeslaur> *lolsnort*
[20:07] <liushuyu> Hi there, I need some help with retrying the autopkgtests, the links follow:
[20:07] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=kinetic&arch=amd64&package=ycmd&trigger=llvm-toolchain-15/1%3A15.0.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:08] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=kinetic&arch=i386&package=dkms&trigger=llvm-toolchain-15/1%3A15.0.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:08] <liushuyu> -- end of links. Thank you!
[20:22] <rbasak> How is podiff not packaged? https://man.gnu.org.ua/manpage/?1+podiff
[20:25] <rbasak> https://github.com/amandasaurus/podiff might be easier
[21:06] <enr0n> bdmurray: do these denylisted tests actually block migration? Or is this something the update-excuses page just doesn't know about? https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/focal/update_excuses.html#systemd
[21:13] <vorlon> enr0n: they do block migration barring an SRU team override
[21:13] <vorlon> (this is a think I don't like about autopkgtest blacklist entries, they fall out of sync with the hints files)
[21:14] <vorlon> enr0n: I'd be more worried about the non-blacklisted kernel autopkgtest regressions listed, tho
[21:16] <enr0n> vorlon: thanks for the info. And yeah I'm trying to sift through the noise


[00:33] <basketball> hi i know i am not an op here but i am in #coding-n00bs
[00:34] <basketball> can you please tell me if i handled this situaation properly
[01:20] <phunyguy> yes because we can see all channels all the time.
[01:30] <rww> O_O
[01:30]  * rww spies on phunyguy's sekrit channels
[02:53] <Pici> weird
[02:53] <io> what is?
[03:13] <Pici> that question earlier from basketball
[03:15] <io> yeah harris is a little strange
[04:17] <basketball> How do ypu
[04:17] <basketball> Guys monitor profanity
[04:18] <genii> basketball: We do it manually
[04:18] <basketball> You dont have a bot
[04:19] <LjL-Calvino> we do, but the bot is the one that needs to be monitored most closely for profanity
[04:19] <basketball> Do you know of an op that o can apply that will like mute the perskn who said it
[04:19] <basketball> Like the floodbot did
[04:20]  * genii stares in horror at ubottu's potty-mouth
[04:20] <chu> Not even gonna try and parse that
[04:20] <rww> basketball: This is the operator channel for Ubuntu core channels. If you have general op questions, you're better off asking somewhere where that's on-topic, like #freenode.
[04:21] <basketball> Thanks for not helping
[04:21] <rww> You're welcome. Hopefully #freenode is more helpful :)
[04:21] <chu> No worries; wasn't our job.
[04:21] <rww> no you
[06:24] <bazhang> emacs has acquired the text editor
[06:26] <chu> Shocking
[06:26] <bazhang> ikr
[06:27] <rww> bazhang: referring to vim mode?
[06:27] <bazhang> just remember, before iMacs came emacs
[06:27] <bazhang> rww, ofc
[06:27] <rww> good
[06:27]  * rww salutes
[06:27] <chu> What's the "good" vim mode called? evil?
[06:27] <rww> i think so
[06:27] <bazhang> vim
[06:27] <chu> :)
[07:22] <io> denied
[07:22] <rww> @mark #ubuntu GnikLlort bringing bot into channel, has been appraised of channel guidelines, ban them next time they do it
[07:23] <bazhang> swaglord546  <-- is that the bot?
[07:23] <rww> yes
[11:16] <bazhang> * [[OpTiC]IRCman] #freenode #ubuntu #debian ##linux
[11:16] <bazhang> bot
[11:57] <VlanX> hi all
[11:57] <k1l> hi
[11:57] <VlanX> I would like to understand why I got kicked out #ubuntu few time ago
[11:58] <VlanX> an op assumed I was xposting just because I posted a similar question on #centos and kicked me w/ out giving me the chance to reply
[12:00] <ikonia> as I kicked you, I'll explain
[12:01] <ikonia> you stated you where using centos in #centos and wanted the shutdown command
[12:01] <ikonia> you then joined #ubuntu and asked for the shutdown command in "linux"
[12:01] <ikonia> it's clear you understand that #centos is for centos and #ubuntu for ubuntu as you said "centos" not "linux" in #centos
[12:01] <ikonia> however as you asked for Linux in #ubuntu not "ubuntu" and you also wanted to know it the specific command for centos it's safe to assume you where cross posting
[12:02] <ikonia> 11:43 < VlanX> hey guy... is shutdown -p even a correct command for linux/bsd?
[12:02] <ikonia> #ubuntu does not support linux, bsd or centos - it supports the Ubuntu linux distribution only
[12:02] <ikonia> I hope that clarifies why oyu where removed from the channel
[12:04] <VlanX> ikonia: I'm on #ubuntu like 24/7, you should be used to see me there, asking and also responding if I can be of help, couldnt you just have simply warned me instead? It's not like I was trolling or messing around...
[12:05] <ikonia> if you're on ubuntu 24x7 then you know it supports Ubuntu only
[12:07] <VlanX> fair enough... alright, it was fun on #ubuntu... hope we'll meet again in the future
[12:25] <Pricey> Christ that's a bit harsh ikonia :-/
[12:25] <Pricey> While I'm at it I'll start perma-banning on ubuntuforums.org where I find people "necro-posting".
[12:33] <k1l> a lot of nonsense comming form dynamicIP.rima-tde.net :/
[12:36] <DJones> Yes
[12:36] <DJones> Also coming from a staticIP.rima-tde.net as well
[12:37] <DJones> I've muted both the static & the dynamic one, although dynamic probably won't last long
[12:38] <DJones> I'd love to know whether its a school/college but I've never found any info on who's using it, but a typical nick is "alumno" which to my mind is "student"
[12:41] <jbroome> skraito doesn't seem to take a hint.
[12:46] <ikonia> Pricey: he wasn't banned, I just removed him from the channel as he was doing it in other channels too such as #freebsd
[13:31] <Pricey> ikonia: Sure, still a bit heavy handed I think.
[13:32] <ikonia> probably,
[18:11] <bazhang> photek is on: ##linux, #debian, #freenode, and #ubuntu
[18:11] <bazhang> log bot to twitter
[20:59] <io> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic l4is posting inappropriate links.
[21:00] <io> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic I4is posting inappropriate links.
[21:41] <phunyguy> io:... ?   What was garbage?
[21:41] <Pici> meat spin
[21:41] <io> that
[21:41] <phunyguy> That site has been linked many times in the channel
[21:41] <io> doesn't make it ok
[21:41] <Pici> doesn't mean that it is appropriate
[21:42] <phunyguy> oh I didnt' see the meatspin
[21:42] <phunyguy> I only saw upside-down-ternet
[21:43] <phunyguy> oh, it wasn't a link
[21:43] <phunyguy> my bad, carry on
[21:43] <phunyguy> :)
[21:43] <LjL-Calvino> miscommunication.org
[21:44] <phunyguy> I was thinking to myself... what in the world is wrong with upside-down-ternet instructions?
[21:44] <LjL-Calvino> what if... m--tspin displayed on an upside-down-ternel proxy? mind->boggled
[21:44] <Pici> what does 'upside-down-ternet' mean?
[21:44] <phunyguy> err
[21:45] <phunyguy> pici, neighbor stealing your wifi?  transparently proxy their traffic, and invert all images
[21:45] <Pici> oh
[21:45] <LjL-Calvino> Pici: it's a humorous website suggesting you set up a honeypot kinda thing where people who use your wifi ap end up seeing an upside down version version of every site
[21:45] <phunyguy> I plan on setting it up tonight with strict content filtering, 500kb/s throttling, and very locked down
[21:47] <phunyguy> I will make the SSID "FREE INTERNET"
[21:50] <hggdh> that's enticement...
[21:50] <LjL-Calvino> phunyguy why not ??u???ui ????
[21:51] <LjL-Calvino> oh, my unicode's borked
[21:51] <phunyguy> ahhahahaha
[21:52] <Pici> Jordan_U: IMO they should be asking in #ubuntu-br
[21:52] <knome> they?
[21:52] <Pici> tham ricardooo
[21:52] <knome> right
[21:53] <LjL-Calvino> i only ask in #ubuntu-br when i'm particularly cold
[21:53] <knome> there was a guy asking about pt_BR language support before in #x, so wondering if they didn't find their way there
[21:53] <knome> seemed to have problems tuping and joining...
[21:53] <hggdh> LjL-Calvino: good move
[21:53] <Pici>  <?ricardooo> Jordan_U: portuguese people sucks they are all lazy
[21:53] <Unit193> Tuping?
 Jordan_U: im portuguese i know what im doing...
[21:54] <knome> Unit193, got me. typing...
[21:54] <LjL-Calvino> Pici: didn't you know? they're also famous for their consistency
[21:54] <Pici> LjL-Calvino: :P
[21:54] <LjL-Calvino> Pici: sometimes i've seen jrib deny his own existence
[21:54] <hggdh> Pici: then it is not -br, it is -pt (which as dead as a door, right now)
[21:54] <Jordan_U> Pici: To be honest, I expect that their written portugese is equally as rambling and malformed. I may be wrong though.
[21:54] <Pici> Jordan_U: that is possible.
[21:55] <LjL-Calvino> hggdh: not really, since -br is used for both PT and BR support
[21:55] <Pici> hggdh: pt is the loco channel, br is for the language.
[21:55] <hggdh> immensely so. Portuguese is not an easy language.
[21:55] <Pici> or language and loco
[21:56] <Jordan_U> hggdh: I assume that sentences are capitalized and end in periods in portugese, correct? (That is the main problem I'm trying to help ricardooo with with regard to their English)
[21:57] <LjL-Calvino> written portoguese is about as easy as spanish or italian, fwiw... while spoken portuguese is about as easy as spanish or italian if you are a deaf-blind person
[21:57] <hggdh> Jordan_U: pretty much like English, yes.
[21:58] <hggdh> LjL-Calvino: I agree. I can usually make some sense of written Italian, about 80% sense of written Spanish (except Catalá), and so on
[21:58] <Jordan_U> I'm at a loss as to how to explain to ricardooo what it means to use proper capitaliztion and punctuation. I think they probably know and just choose not do write properly but I'm not sure.
[21:59] <hggdh> Jordan_U: I would say it is his intention. There is no excuse for badly formed phrases. If he indeed is Portuguese, he should know that
[21:59] <LjL-Calvino> Jordan_U: is the problem they're not capitalizing and using periods *on IRC* (and #ubuntu specifically)?
[22:01] <Jordan_U> LjL-Calvino: Yes. (And they're making terrible run on sentences to the point of uninteligibility, but I'm hoping that capitalization and punctuation will help with that).
[22:01] <Unit193> >_>
[22:01] <LjL-Calvino> buuuut... i never capitalize my messages on IRC, or end them with a period
[22:02] <LjL-Calvino> it has rarely seemed to be a problem (except with the very most prescriptivistianist in ##english)
[22:03] <hggdh> LjL-Calvino: on the previous sentence you used *both* capitalisation and punctuation marks...
[22:03] <hggdh> it is not ending with a period, it is using punctuation marks that is the basic issue
[22:04]  * hggdh notes the absence of a period above
[22:04] <LjL-Calvino> hggdh: note that a basic meaning of "capitalize" is to capitalize the first letter in a word (and specifically in a sentence), while a "period" is not any generic punctuation mark
[22:04] <Jordan_U> LjL-Calvino: Yes, but you do use them when not having them would make your message uninteligable.
[22:04]  * Pici notes that ikonia has banned them now
[22:05] <LjL-Calvino> Jordan_U: true, unless my intention is in fact to make the message unintelligible
[23:57] <genii> Well, board meeting to attend. Laters


[22:35] <ScottK-palm> Good $TIMEOFDAY all.
[22:35] <ScottK-palm> I'm not much involved in marketing, but I ran across this: pythonide.stani.be
[22:36] <ScottK-palm> Someone really ought to interview Stani.
[22:40] <ScottK-palm> Gotta run.