[08:12] <RichEd> hello
[08:14] <jmantha> morning RichEd
[08:15] <RichEd> hi laserjock ... med's not kicked in yet today ?
[08:15] <RichEd> or do the personailties swop at sunrise ?
[08:18] <RichEd> jmantha: you winding down for xmas break yet ?
[08:22] <jmantha> well
[08:22] <jmantha> I leave for a about a 2 week vacation next Wednesday
[08:22] <RichEd> nice :) going anywhere exciting ?
[08:23] <jmantha> but as I don't take classes anymore it's not as big of a deal
[08:23] <jmantha> just home to family
[08:23] <jmantha> it's a 1000 mile drive in snowy conditions
[08:23] <jmantha> which isn't so much fun
[08:23] <jmantha> but it's nice to be "home"
[08:24] <jmantha> well, I've got to go to bed
[08:24] <jmantha> cya RichEd
[08:25] <RichEd> g'night
[10:21] <rockprincess> hello all!
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:22] <rockprincess> on monday i'll find out whether or not i can start with my edubuntu project :D
[10:25] <jsgotangco> oh that's great to hear
[10:25] <jsgotangco> wish you the best!
[10:27] <cbx33> yeh rock on rockprincess
[10:27] <rockprincess> yeah, i think i'll need all fingers crossed heheh ;)
[10:27] <rockprincess> i'm sooo excited...
[10:30] <rockprincess> do you think a period from february/march til ende of june would be to short for testing?
[10:31] <jsgotangco> its relative to what yo want to test
[10:31] <rockprincess> hmm true!
[10:32] <rockprincess> and how often on a weekly basis?!
[10:33] <rockprincess> i assume the pupils will learn rather quick how things work :)
[10:33] <RichEd> hi rockprincess , jsgotangco ...
[10:33] <rockprincess> hey RichEd
[10:33] <RichEd> I'm holding thumbs rockprincess :)
[10:34] <jsgotangco> hello RichEd how are you doing? it's been a while
[10:34] <rockprincess> thank you, RichEd :))))) I really appreciate it!
[10:34] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I'm fine ... a bit exhausted at this point in the year, and looking forward to a break over Xmas with the family and the summer
[10:34] <jsgotangco> that's nice to know, having a break is good, wish i can have one though
[10:35] <RichEd> well Canonical shuts down between Xmas and New Year ... so it is a compulsory leave time ... not that I am complaining :)
[10:36] <RichEd> 23 degrees & sunshine outside ... and 2 different oceans within 20km of my house ... w00t ... rock on
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd
[10:38] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: greetz
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday :)
[10:39] <rockprincess> hello Kamping_Kaiser!
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi rockprincess :D
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i just booked flights to LCA
[10:40] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: great ... I need to do that today
[10:40] <jsgotangco> wow so going to LCA
[10:40] <jsgotangco> lucky people
[10:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco, :)
[10:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, sweet.
[10:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: welcome to my world ;)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: im horribly tormented inside
[10:42] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hey, many people would cut off an arm to be working on foss full time, you're one of the lucky ones!
[10:42] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: one day when you're rich you can work on your own projects again :)
[10:42] <jsgotangco> heh i wish that's the situation
[10:42] <highvoltage> gtg, bbl
[10:43] <jsgotangco> since we couldn't seem to get a model of sorts
[10:43] <jsgotangco> the project is crumbling apart
[10:53] <jsgotangco> ah
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[10:54] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: shots ?
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i might be going to PNG next year... *might*, but because of all the stuff happening between now and next march, i need to organise stuff now
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i need imunisation against stuff
[10:56] <RichEd> PNG ? that's an image format ... what else ? :)
[10:56] <jsgotangco> Papua New Guinea
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^^
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :/ i keep forgetting
[10:57] <jsgotangco> as long as you don't get caught in a coup or something heh
[10:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont joke :/ its a volotile place :/ (well, you can joke, i'll just get unnerved :P)
[10:57] <jsgotangco> my country had 9 coups in the 80s
[10:58] <RichEd> make sure you don't lose your head :) figuratively and literally
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco, thailand?
[10:58] <jsgotangco> philippines
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, thats right
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i'm still not sure of the details of the trip... or i'd tell you more about it
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/.../,
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=DARLEY+RD,+RANDWICK,+new+south+wales,+australia&sll=-35.050769,138.86296&sspn=0.011277,0.020084&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=-33.906112,151.236763&spn=0.011433,0.027122&t=h&om=1 <- (i *think*) the uni from the air. its between darley rd, king st and govett ln
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl (~30 min).
[11:46] <willvdl> hey all
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[12:15] <cbx33> hey ogra
[12:15] <cbx33> sorry about yesterday dude
[12:17] <ogra> cbx33, no need to feel soory for things that are my fault :P
[12:17] <ogra> *sorry
[12:48] <cbx33> ogra: still there?
[12:49] <cbx33> I have 30 mins free now if you have time for a meeting
[12:49] <willvdl> check under the bed
[12:52] <ogra> cbx33, i have a meeting ahead ... how about in 1-2h ?
[12:52] <cbx33> probably
[01:22] <RichEd> ping ogra
[01:22] <ogra> RichEd, pong
[01:24] <cbx33> ogra: hmmm
[01:24] <cbx33> ogra: what was your answer?
[01:26] <ogra> remove splash and quiet from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[01:26] <cbx33> excellent
[01:27] <cbx33> bbl
[01:58] <RichEd> rodarvus: finishing off with ogra ... will ping you in 15 mins
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: dude I'm ready when you are
[03:23] <cbx33> ogra: I have about an hour now
[03:23] <willvdl> Folks, see y'all Monday!
[03:24] <willvdl> I need weekend
[03:24] <cbx33> bye willvdl
[03:24] <cbx33> thatnks for all the help
[03:24] <willvdl> thank you!
[03:24] <willvdl> it's getting exciting
[03:25] <willvdl> woot
[03:43] <cbx33> hello anyone there?
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya
[03:43] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[04:03] <ogra> cbx33, i'm back now
[04:15] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:16] <sbalneav> Hey hey
[04:32] <cbx33> ogra: i could be going home at any moment
[04:32] <cbx33> but we can start ;)
[04:32] <ogra> well, we can do it tomorrow as well if you are online ...
[04:33] <cbx33> I will be at sometime I'm sure
[04:33] <cbx33> we we're an awful pair
[04:33] <ogra> then go home and enjoy your weekend ;)
[04:33] <cbx33> pah
[04:33] <ogra> i'll be around during the day
[04:33] <cbx33> ok
[06:09] <sbalneav> ogra: hey, you said acpi-support's in minimal?
[06:09] <sbalneav> aptitude show ubuntu-minimal | grep acpi
[06:09] <sbalneav> nooope
[07:36] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:01] <cbx33> ping sbalneav
[09:03] <sbalneav> cbx33: pong cbx33
[09:03] <sbalneav> ICMP ECHO REPLY
[09:03] <cbx33> sbalneav, I DID IT
[09:03] <cbx33> I added the reboot button
[09:04] <sbalneav> Hey!
[09:04] <sbalneav> Cool
[09:04] <cbx33> needs an extra png
[09:04] <cbx33> and a little diff to the gtk file
[09:04] <sbalneav> How many lines of code did that end up being?
[09:04] <cbx33> how should I send it to ogra?
[09:04] <cbx33> um.... about 20
[09:04] <cbx33> just copied and modified the one for the shutdown button
[09:04] <cbx33> at the moment I have a blue reboot button
[09:04] <cbx33> and a red shutdown button
[09:04] <cbx33> pretty spiffy eh?
[09:05] <sbalneav> Zoomy
[09:05] <cbx33> heheh
[09:05] <sbalneav> Between that, and the power button ACPI thing I worked up yesterday, shutdown's a snap :)
[09:05] <cbx33> yup
[09:05] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[09:06] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[09:06] <cbx33> hi edubuntugirl
[09:06] <edubuntugirl> salut, cbx33!
[09:06] <cbx33> ;)
[09:06] <juliux> hi highvoltage cbx33
[09:06] <cbx33> hey juliux
[09:06] <highvoltage> hey jul
[09:06] <highvoltage> htrmph
[09:06] <highvoltage> hey juliux
[09:07] <highvoltage> sorry, IRC'ing from the back of my car :)
[09:07] <cbx33> heheheh
[09:07] <highvoltage> friend's gf is driving
[09:07] <highvoltage> (quite nerv wrecking)
[09:08] <cbx33> hahah
[09:08] <cbx33> 60mph round corners?
[09:09] <juliux> highvoltage, greetings to the car;)
[09:09] <juliux> and to the driver;)
[09:09] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, we qwork R KM/H RHTHIS SIDE OF THE WORLD :)
[09:09] <highvoltage> JUL	:)
[09:09] <cbx33> hehe
[09:09] <highvoltage> oops, dark here :)
[09:10] <highvoltage> caps was accidental :)
[09:10] <highvoltage> going around a mountain pass right now, and she has trouble seeing in the dark some times :-O
[09:11] <cbx33> least she's not me
[09:11] <cbx33> she'd be falling asleep
[09:11] <cbx33> sbalneav, so how should I best present this to ogra?
[09:11] <highvoltage> heh
[09:12] <sbalneav> diff -Naur | mail -s "I am teh hakur"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:12] <highvoltage> I would drive, but I don't have a drivers license, and this time of the year there's lots of road blocks and traffic cops on the road.
[09:12] <sbalneav> highvoltage: You don't have a license?
[09:12] <cbx33> heheheh
[09:12] <cbx33> ok
[09:13] <highvoltage> sbalneav: nope :(
[09:16] <siezer> !seen moly
[09:16] <ubotu> I haven't seen moly recently
[09:16] <cbx33> sbalneav, I'm adding tooltips to the buttons too
[09:16] <cbx33> currently we don;t have those
[09:16] <cbx33> usability we should I suppose
[09:16] <sbalneav> Sure
[09:17] <cbx33> sbalneav, w00t done it
[09:22] <highvoltage> woops, lost my connection around the mountain there
[09:22] <highvoltage> screen and irssi ++
[09:26] <cbx33> hehe
[09:26] <cbx33> sbalneav, you still around?
[09:27] <cbx33> do you know where icons for the gnome shutdown window are stored?
[09:31] <cbx33> nevermind i got em
[09:52] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock
[09:52] <LaserJock> hi
[10:18] <highvoltage> hi mr la
[10:18] <highvoltage> hi mr LaserJock
[10:19] <LaserJock> hi


[00:44] <JoseeAntonioR> hey marcoceppi, around and free?
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, question, how do I know which directory is the charm going to be into? let's say I want to use a.txt on my charm and I want to locate it, where would it be?
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> or I should just specify the directory?
[12:53] <marcoceppi> JoseeAntonioR: All hooks start in the root of the charm. There is also a $CHARM_DIR environment variable that is set, so if you ever cd out of the charm directory you can get back to it with that variable
[13:20] <sidnei> gary_poster: ping
[13:20] <gary_poster> sidnei, pong
[13:21] <sidnei> hi gary_poster, had a question about juju-gui: does it display services deployed via command line or only those dployed via the gui?
[13:21] <gary_poster> sidnei, all (both command line and gui)
[13:21] <sidnei> gary_poster: so if i have an existing environment and deploy juju-gui to it afterwards the existing services will show up just fine?
[13:22] <gary_poster> sidnei, yes
[13:22] <sidnei> gary_poster: mighty cool. thanks!
[13:22] <gary_poster> welcome sidnei :-)
[13:30] <sidnei> holy connected graph batman, it works.
[13:31] <beuno> sidnei, pic or it didn't happen
[13:32] <sidnei> beuno: http://ubuntuone.com/4q8wr0gtdb7Tyu5XDKsYX1
[13:33] <sidnei> gary_poster: btw, i was confused for several seconds while it loaded the environment, there was no visible indication that anything was happening
[13:34] <gary_poster> sidnei, for pic, majority of those are subordinates, right?
[13:34] <gary_poster> sidnei, I ask because we plan to make those pictures (with subordinate graphs in particular) a lot prettier for this cycle
[13:34] <sidnei> gary_poster: yes, and i think i might be misusing those subordinates, i believe only one would be ok for all services instead of one per service
[13:35] <gary_poster> cool sidnei, yeah.  IS likes separate ones in order to upgrade individually, so they have similar issues
[13:35] <gary_poster> even though yes, typically they could be collapsed
[13:35] <sidnei> gary_poster: ah, i knew there was a reason
[13:36] <gary_poster> sidnei, no visible indication anything was happening: we have a spinner which is supposed to give some visual reassurance.  was that early, late, absent, or insufficient?
[13:36] <gary_poster> "that" == the spinner
[13:39] <sidnei> gary_poster: i didn't see any spinner nope
[13:40] <gary_poster> weird sidnei, ok.  If you go to [GUI IP]/juju-ui/version.js in the browser what does it tell you?
[13:41] <sidnei> gary_poster: var jujuGuiVersionInfo=['0.6.1', '753'];
[13:41] <sidnei> gary_poster: ah, sorry. so reloading, there was indeed a spinner
[13:42] <gary_poster> sidnei, oh ok.  so it was insufficient
[13:42] <sidnei> gary_poster: so *after* the spinner, i got the open charm browser drawer and a blank canvas for like 60+ seconds
[13:42] <gary_poster> sidnei, ah!  ok, haven't seen.  I'll file a bug.  Thanks!
[13:42] <sidnei> gary_poster: and then i was clicking around and suddenly the services showed up magically
[13:43] <gary_poster> heh
[13:43] <gary_poster> ack, yeah, not cool.  I'll subscribe you to the bug, for the heck of it :-)
[13:44] <gary_poster> sidnei, probably doesn't matter, but just in case, what browser and what juju environment?
[13:44] <gary_poster> (ec2, openstack, etc. and pyjuju vs juju core)
[13:44] <sidnei> gary_poster: chrome Version 28.0.1500.63 beta, canonistack, pyjuju
[13:44] <gary_poster> perfect thanks again sidnei
[13:45] <sidnei> gary_poster: is there a planned feature to hide a specific service? nagios is like the eye of sauron and makes everything else impossible to see
[13:45] <gary_poster> sidnei, lol, yes, generally.  last two months of cycle is "environment power tools" for stuff like that.
[13:46] <sidnei> cool, thanks muchly
[13:50] <sidnei> http://ubuntuone.com/2VrziUdvYEXdOHo2Os117T with nagios removed and manually aligned things
[13:51] <gary_poster> much better :-)
[19:04] <sidnei> gary_poster: (or someone else) is there an svg of the juju logo?
[19:04] <gary_poster> sidnei, yeah...looking
[19:29] <robbiew> sidnei: still need that SVG file?
[19:29] <sidnei> robbiew: nope, got it
[19:29] <robbiew> I've got one, if so
[19:29] <robbiew> cool
[19:29] <sidnei> doing some slides for my presentation tomorrow, redoing niemeyer's diagrams
[19:40] <robbiew> nice!
[19:55] <Akira1> anyone have the link handy for the recorded version of friday's juju charm school?
[19:56] <robbiew> Akira1: https://juju.ubuntu.com/resources/videos/
[19:57] <robbiew> specifically -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08dOs3eO04M
[19:58] <Akira1> thanks :)
[19:58] <robbiew> Akira1: damn...but it looks like it wasn't recorded properly
[19:58] <Akira1> er, :~~~(
[19:58]  * robbiew checking
[19:58] <sidnei> gary_poster: going to http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/ gives me some unstyled html atm, as if the css isn't loading
[19:59] <robbiew> nevermind...user error
[19:59] <Akira1> yeah looks like it is ok to me
[19:59] <gary_poster> sidnei, don't see it.  more details?  Maybe dupe steps?
[20:00] <sidnei> gary_poster: i wonder if i got a broken cached version
[20:00] <sidnei> gary_poster: it loads instantly as if cached locally, but no css
[20:01] <sidnei> oh, not sure how i got to 8080
[20:01] <sidnei> :80 works fine
[20:01] <gary_poster> ok cool
[20:01] <gary_poster> though 8080 does for me too...
[20:01] <gary_poster> mm, one idea
[20:02] <gary_poster> sidnei, do you see uistage 8080 when you go to chrome://appcache-internals/
[20:02] <gary_poster> we don't use the appcache anymore
[20:02] <gary_poster> because of issues like this
[20:02] <sidnei> gary_poster: yup
[20:03] <gary_poster> sidnei, ah ok.  kill that and then 8080 will work fine too.
[20:03] <sidnei> Size: 29.8 kB
[20:03] <sidnei> Creation Time: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:25:00 PM
[20:03] <sidnei> Last Update Time: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:25:00 PM
[20:03] <sidnei> Last Access Time: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:00:12 PM
[20:03] <gary_poster> sidnei, yeah, pretty old :-)
[20:46] <balafi> will juju work with AWS free tier?
[20:47] <balafi> I try to follow the steps at juju documentation page and getting  'error: use of closed network connection' on 'juju bootstrap'
[20:47] <balafi> any help would be appreciated
[20:53] <balafi> ooops - it worked
[21:04] <balafi> I see the bootstrap instance in the EC2 management console but can't do 'juju status'
[21:04] <balafi> error: no instances found
[21:04] <henninge> balafi: give it some time to start up
[21:05] <henninge> balafi: Amazon free tier is for micro instances AFAIK but juju will spin up m1.small instances by default.
[21:05] <thumper> balafi: which zone?
[21:06] <balafi> us-west-2
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: I've had issues with ap-southeast-2
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: where the api lies
[21:06] <thumper> however us-* ones have been good generally
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: can you see it in the AWS web console (the instance)?
[21:06] <balafi> yes
[21:06] <balafi> its m1.small
[21:07] <balafi> its 'running', 2/2 check passed
[21:07] <henninge> I have ocasional problems in eu-west-1, too.
[21:07] <henninge> try juju status again.
[21:07] <balafi> I had hard time to bootstrap also
[21:08] <balafi> I was getting error and then it worked with me doing any changes
[21:08] <balafi> without changes
[21:09] <thumper> balafi: it seems to be a problem with the api
[21:09] <thumper> which makes me sad
[21:10] <thumper> as there is nothing I can help with immediately
[21:10] <balafi> no problem
[21:11] <henninge> thumper: I have seen occasional glitches in the api in the past, outside of juju. I think it wants very defensive programming. :-(
[21:12] <thumper> henninge: yeah... kinda sucks
[21:12] <thumper> I find it frustrating because ap-southeast-2 is closest to me
[21:12] <thumper> and it doesn't work very well
[21:12] <thumper> or at least, we don't work well with it
[21:13] <thumper> it seems weird that different regions have different API results
[21:13] <thumper> or interactions
[21:13] <thumper> versioning maybe?
[21:13] <thumper> I'm not sure, but a frustrated user
[21:15] <henninge> Hm, I have not yet used different regions, let alone compared results.


[00:21] <keen> schopin: updated gist, tried merging the 3 yamls into one, then repoed with same issue.  I'll try to work backwards to see if there's a working case....
[00:24] <keen> nope, even stripped down to a single interface, same behavor.


[01:49] <yuanyou> 	Hi all ,i can use the maas to power on the node ,but the node can't commisioning sucessfully? That's why?
[02:06] <lathiat> yuanyou: does the node actually network boot? it needs to (successfully) network boot. and the power on method needs to get the device to netboot
[02:07] <lathiat> this works well with something like AMT, support for WOL and such is more limited.. on my NUCs they actualy have an option to netboot when WOL is used
[02:07] <lathiat> wasnt' on by default though
[02:09] <yuanyou> lathiat: Hi , what do you mean network boot?
[02:11] <lathiat> yuanyou: MAAS commissions and installs nodes, by using PXE to boot them from the network
[02:12] <yuanyou> lathiat: I know that, i use power type is virsh
[02:12] <lathiat> does the virtual machine then attempt to PXE boot automatically?
[02:13] <yuanyou> how to make sure the virtual machine can PXE boot automatically?
[02:15] <yuanyou> + sudo virt-install --connect qemu:///system --name node3-control --ram 8192 --vcpus 4 --disk size=120,format=qcow2,bus=virtio,io=native,pool=default --network bridge=virbr0,model=virtio --boot network,hd,menu=off --noautoconsole --vnc --print-xml
[02:15] <yuanyou> + tee node3-control
[02:15] <yuanyou> <domain type='kvm'>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <name>node3-control</name>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <uuid>9083600d-5197-52b1-fe8d-c34e6460dedb</uuid>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <memory>8388608</memory>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <currentMemory>8388608</currentMemory>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <vcpu>4</vcpu>
[02:15] <yuanyou>   <os>
[02:15] <yuanyou>     <type arch='x86_64'>hvm</type>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <boot dev='network'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <boot dev='hd'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <bootmenu enable='no'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   </os>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <features>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <acpi/><apic/><pae/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   </features>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <clock offset="utc"/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <on_reboot>restart</on_reboot>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <on_crash>restart</on_crash>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   <devices>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <emulator>/usr/bin/kvm-spice</emulator>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <disk type='file' device='disk'>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <driver name='qemu' type='qcow2' io='native'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <source file='/var/lib/libvirt/images/node3-control-4.img'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <target dev='vda' bus='virtio'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     </disk>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <interface type='bridge'>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <source bridge='virbr0'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <mac address='52:54:00:a7:d9:f2'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <model type='virtio'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     </interface>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <input type='mouse' bus='ps2'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <graphics type='vnc' port='-1'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <console type='pty'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     <video>
[02:16] <yuanyou>       <model type='cirrus'/>
[02:16] <yuanyou>     </video>
[02:16] <yuanyou>   </devices>

[02:21] <lathiat> yuanyou: looks like the virsh handler is setting it to do so, so the question is, why isn't it working.. if you look at the VM console, what do you see?
[02:23] <yuanyou> the VM console? do you mean "virsh"?
[02:24] <lathiat> like basically you want to view its monitor
[02:24] <lathiat> easy way to do that would be with virt-manager
[02:25] <yuanyou> what is the virt-managet? a tool?
[02:27] <yuanyou> onos@ubuntu:~$ virsh list
[02:27] <yuanyou>  Id    Name                           State
[02:27] <yuanyou> ----------------------------------------------------
[02:27] <yuanyou>  267   opnfv-maas                     running
[02:27] <yuanyou>  276   node2-compute                  running
[02:27] <yuanyou>  277   node1-control                  running
[02:27] <yuanyou>  278   bootstrap                      running
[02:27] <lathiat> https://virt-manager.org/
[02:27] <lathiat> basically a GUI version of virsh
[02:28] <lathiat> otherwise you can connect to the display with VNC using virsh but its a bit more complex
[02:32] <yuanyou> can it install in ubuntu os?


[04:55] <lmpeiris> Hi guys. I have deployed a juju bundle in AWS. When using command 'juju status' it says (some) of the services are running
[04:55] <lmpeiris> but i don't see any evidence that they are
[04:55] <lmpeiris> and cannot find where the files have been copied and logs are printed
[04:56] <lmpeiris> is there a default location where juju deploy / print logs
[07:48] <gnuoy> jamespage, Small bug fix to neutron-api charm https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/neutron-api/fix-db-migration-bug/+merge/238847
[09:32] <gnuoy> jamespage, Charmhelper 0mq mp https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charm-helpers/0mq/+merge/238855
[09:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, +1
[09:38] <gnuoy> ta
[09:39]  * jamespage twiddles his thumbs some more
[09:52] <jamespage> gnuoy, grep 'Unknown hook' all-machines.log  | wc -l
[09:53] <jamespage> gnuoy, guess how many
[09:53] <gnuoy> 300?
[09:53] <jamespage> 62620
[09:53] <gnuoy> ah
[09:54] <gnuoy> I think you are right, there maybe some scope for optimisation
[09:54] <jamespage> gnuoy, just removing those symlinks is an easy and low risk optimization
[09:54] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'll figure out which ones...
[10:00] <jamespage> gnuoy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8600096/
[10:01] <gnuoy> ok
[11:40] <ahasenack> hi guys,
[11:40] <ahasenack> can a relation be established, but no units take part in it?
[11:41] <ahasenack> basically, relation_ids(relation) returned something
[11:41] <ahasenack> but relation_list() for that relation id is empty
[15:27] <gnuoy> jamespage, fix for charm helper bug https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charm-helpers/restore-distro-src/+merge/238908
[16:05] <gnuoy> jamespage, sorry to nag but I need that ^ mp for the percona fix
[16:06] <jamespage> gnuoy, +1
[16:06] <jamespage> sorry
[16:06] <gnuoy> ta
[16:08] <gnuoy> jamespage, fwiw zmq mps http://paste.ubuntu.com/8603467/
[16:09] <Tug> Hi, is there any plan to have juju support google compute engine?
[16:32] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: mattyw has a branch in review that fixes the issue with config we saw in brussels: https://code.launchpad.net/~mattyw/charm-helpers/config-keys/+merge/237968
[16:32] <lazyPower> mattyw: thanks for the MP. :)
[16:34] <mattyw> lazyPower, always a pleasure seldom a chore
[17:18] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower, mattyw: thanks, will review today
[17:19] <mattyw> tvansteenburgh, appreciated thanks
[17:25] <jrwren> charmers: why doesn't my PR here: https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/elasticsearch/add-version-config/+merge/237916  show up here: http://review.juju.solutions ?
[17:27] <tvansteenburgh> marcoceppi|unavail: ^
[17:27] <lazyPower> jrwren: i have a sneaky suspicion that ingest has gone away.
[17:27] <lazyPower> I'm not seeing anything new in here, and i know work has been done
[17:28] <jrwren> lazyPower: what does ingest mean in this context?
[17:28] <lazyPower> jrwren: meaning the review queue trolls launchpad looking for items to list in the queue. its a poll model every x minutes.
[17:29] <lazyPower> so i suspect the launchpad crawler has tanked - but i have no evidence to back up that suspicion.
[17:29] <jrwren> lazyPower: got it, thanks. I wanted to make sure it wasn't at all related to charmstore ingestion.
[17:30] <lazyPower> jrwren: nah, not at this time anyway
[18:36] <lazyPower> jrwren: remind me on wednesday when i return to take a look at that MP and i'll add it to my list. I'll be doinga full day in teh queue as we're kind of backed up and I have an opportunity to boogie through the open MP's
[18:36] <lazyPower> stub: speaking of which, i never got your updates to postgres to deploy. I'll be re-visiting that on wednesday. Have you had a chance to run it locally on that rollup branch?
[18:37] <stub> lazyPower: Yes, the integration tests mostly run apart from the usual flakyness and it is better than trunk.
[18:38] <lazyPower> stub: well it ried deploying the charm stand alone without running the tests
[18:38] <lazyPower> as the tests were giving me false positives due to general wifi flakeyness in brussels
[18:38] <lazyPower> it may have been purely due to the networking problems I had... sorry that's taken me so long to get back to. Running the conf. circuit has been nuts
[18:38] <lazyPower> i haven't forgot about ya tho, and will get that out sooner rather than later.
[18:43] <stub> lazyPower: The charm deploys standalone here too... just double checked ;)
[18:43] <lazyPower> stub: great news. I'll get to that when i'm not on teh hook for demoware and 1:1 with you about concerns you had re: landing postgres modifications.
[18:44] <lazyPower> i know there was a bit of back and forth in brussels adn I want to capture that feedback so i can bring it up at our weekly.
[18:44] <stub> ta
[18:47] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: you around?
[18:47] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: yup
[18:47] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: mwenning had an issue with amulet and filed a bug in LP, just to confirm are we dual-tracking the bugs or have you shifted to only monitoring github issues?
[18:47] <lazyPower> here's the issue in question: bind <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:47] <lazyPower> well thats not the issue >.>
[18:48] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/amulet/+bug/1375344
[18:48] <mup> Bug #1375344: Amulet fails to bring up a machine to run relation-sentry running openmanage charm <Amulet:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375344>
[18:48] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: still tracking bugs in LP
[18:48] <lazyPower> ah ok. Just curious as I think the last time i asked it was referenced that issues are beign triaged in gh. perhaps I misunderstood.
[18:49] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: either place is fine, i'm watching both
[18:49] <lazyPower> ty for clarification.
[18:51] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: re that particular bug, i'll take a look soon. i'm really close to landing the new sentry implmentation
[18:51] <lazyPower> sounds good to me. I just wanted it on your radar since its blocking mwenning
[18:51] <tvansteenburgh> roger, thanks
[20:59] <mwak> hi there, someone test online labs cloud?
[20:59] <mwak> http://labs.online.net
[21:00] <mwak> based on physical arm hardware
[21:05] <rsynnest> hi all, is there a place to share/find "unapproved" or WIP juju charms other than github?
[21:06] <rsynnest> or, if anyone here has heard of a gene BLAST charm someone is working on that would be cool too
[21:36] <hatch> rsynnest: if the author put the charm on launchpad it may be in the charmstore under their username
[21:37] <hatch> rsynnest: https://jujucharms.com/?text=blast doesn't look like it
[23:06] <marcoceppi_> jrwren: I don't know why our review queue hates you so much
[23:07] <jrwren> marcoceppi_: I can imagine a few reasons. It is probably REALLY smart.
[23:07] <jrwren> marcoceppi_: and a good judge of character.
[23:07] <marcoceppi_> I'll look in to it later


[07:07] <zbenjamin> didrocks: you here :D
[07:13] <didrocks> zbenjamin: yep! :)
[07:13] <didrocks> hey
[07:22] <zbenjamin> didrocks: hey sorry, i was on holiday
[07:24] <didrocks> zbenjamin: no worry! I hope you enjoyed them :)
[07:24] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yeps :D it was good
[07:30] <zbenjamin> didrocks: i saw you spent some quality time with the sdk
[07:35] <didrocks> zbenjamin: heh, quite some yeah :)
[07:35] <didrocks> zbenjamin: so, is my conclusion correct, you need to fiddle yourself with subdirectories?
[07:36] <didrocks> zbenjamin: so doing something like this: https://github.com/didrocks/splitthebill/commit/11fd9cd1d399539597f186b5e94ef207abfdd986
[07:46] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yes, thats your responsibility with all qmake projects
[07:47] <didrocks> zbenjamin: not really dev friendly I guess, especially as the ide is adding them directly (see the deletions)
[07:47] <zbenjamin> didrocks: thats true. But you can not assume that srcdir == installdir.
[07:48] <zbenjamin> I guess they just wanted to assume nothing
[07:54] <didrocks> zbenjamin: in some way, they do assume that even if you put files in a subdirectory, you want a flat structure when deploying though
[07:54] <didrocks> (which IMHO makes less sense that leaving files with the same dir structure)
[07:59] <kenvandine> rpadovani, looking forward to falldown hitting the store!
[08:29] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yeah for QML at least
[08:29] <zbenjamin> didrocks: there should be proper QML support in qmake
[08:31] <didrocks> agreed :)
[10:47] <nik90> zsombi: ping
[11:09] <zsombi> nik90: ong
[11:09] <zsombi> p
[11:09] <nik90> ongp?
[11:11] <zsombi> p+ :D
[11:11] <zsombi> nik90: so, whazzup?
[11:12] <nik90> zsombi: I need some brainstorming help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1488439
[11:12] <nik90> zsombi: shouldn' the listview automatically update when the data model changes?
[11:13] <nik90> it should be a Notifyable  property informing qml of the changes made to the backend and update the labels? Or do I have to manually call for alarmModel refresh() ?
[11:13] <zsombi> nik90: yes, it should, the only reason it doesn't may be that the date chaneg doesn't seem to be reported as position change on the alarm cache...
[11:13] <nik90> hmm, anyway I can detect this?
[11:14] <nik90> like using onModelReset or any other signal?
[11:14] <zsombi> nik90: if you don't get any signal from the ListView, then the cache did not refresh
[11:14] <zsombi> nik90: I think that one...
[11:15] <nik90> ok, so in the alarm list page, I will have onModelReset: refresh() to recreate the cache.
[11:29] <nik90> zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-alarm-list-refresh/+merge/269047
[12:20] <zsombi> nik90: nice :)
[12:22] <nik90> zsombi: the one minor inconvenience was that I had to pass the entire alarmModel to the edit alarm page as an argument. Although that's fine I suppose
[12:23] <zsombi> nik90: it is, as long as the model exists till teh entire lifetime of the page, beside, it only passes the reference, doesn't copy the model, so... :)
[12:24] <nik90> zsombi: indeed. I need to be careful about when I refresh the alarmModel indeed.  I can then get it merged later today.
[12:40] <zsombi> nik90: I don' thave right to approve it, but yes, I can comment
[12:41] <maggots> anyone alive
[12:42] <zsombi> nik90: commented
[12:42] <nik90> zsombi: thnx, I or bartosz can top-approve once we do some more manual testing.
[12:42] <zsombi> evrrybody is alive :)
[12:43] <t1mp> zsombi: normally, an app dev would set onTriggered: {...} for an AbstractButton, and not override the trigger() function, right?
[12:44] <zsombi> t1mp: yes...
[12:45] <zsombi> t1mp: but, if you want to override the default trigger sequence, you would have to do it like that
[12:46] <t1mp> zsombi: so if the abstract has an action, but you do not want that action triggered when you click the button?
[12:46] <t1mp> weird use case ;)
[12:46] <zsombi> t1mp: or you want to delay the action triggering, like we do in ListItem's case
[12:46] <t1mp> s/abstract/abstract button
[12:47] <maggots> i have a proble i uploaded version 0.1 to the app store and now i'm ready for version 0.2 what do i need to change for it to build the new package?
[12:48] <t1mp> zsombi: delay? in which way? time?
[12:48] <t1mp> zsombi: are you talking about old or new list items?
[12:48] <zsombi> t1mp: don't tell me you haven't seen the ListItem code :D
[12:48] <zsombi> t1mp: new ListItems of course
[12:48] <zsombi> t1mp: we must delay the action triggering in teh leading/trailing actions
[12:49] <zsombi> t1mp: they should be triggered once the animation is over, remember?
[12:49] <zsombi> t1mp: if I do not override AbstractButton.trigger(), then the action will be triggered immediately
[12:50] <zsombi> t1mp: and if the action deletes the item, the UI will crash
[12:50] <zsombi> t1mp: because there will be an ongoing animation to snap the ListItem's panel out
[12:51] <t1mp> right
[12:52] <zsombi> t1mp: but you approved this feature of trigger() overriding before, am surprised we are reloading the talks about it now :)
[12:53] <t1mp> I'm not against it, but I did need to refresh my memory
[12:53] <zsombi> t1mp: you scared me :D
[12:59] <t1mp> zsombi: I think now the update to Empty.qml in 1.2 can be reverted
[13:00] <zsombi> t1mp: I thought I did...
[13:00] <t1mp> zsombi: so when you register a component from cpp, it automatically overrides the qml version?
[13:00] <zsombi> t1mp: yes
[13:00] <t1mp> cool. That may become even more useful in the future :)
[13:01] <zsombi> t1mp: the qmldir is there just to automate the call of qmlRegisterType() fo ryou
[13:01] <t1mp> zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/cppAbstractButton/+merge/268442 l.222
[13:01] <zsombi> t1mp: we can even stop a type from being exported in certain version onwards
[13:02] <zsombi> t1mp: yes, I saw it, I'll push an update as long as you confirm nothing else needs to be fixed on the branch
[13:02] <t1mp> zsombi: yes it is good. Should we wait for kalikiana too?
[13:03] <zsombi> t1mp: I dunno... we basically discussed this thing I just implemented there
[13:03] <t1mp> ok
[13:04] <kalikiana> last I checked there's still some 1.2 stuff that's unecessary, in the list item and some import changes
[13:04] <kalikiana> by the looks of it that will be fixed?
[13:04] <zsombi> kalikiana: which ones are?
[13:05] <kalikiana> zsombi: CheckBox, ComboButton, TextField
[13:05] <zsombi> kalikiana: for 1.2 Checkbox and ComboButton we need thiose imports, I am getting ambiguous errors otherwise
[13:05] <zsombi> same for text field
[13:05] <kalikiana> zsombi: oh. why? if they're using the same QML as before..
[13:05] <zsombi> kalikiana: perhaps the different type import for 1.3 messes it up... lemme check again
[13:06] <kalikiana> zsombi: hmm I guess if QML is being funny is fine - I'd just try to avoid unnecessary changes in 1.2 if possible
[13:06] <zsombi> kalikiana: sure, +1 on that, let me check again
[13:07] <kalikiana> thanks
[13:07] <zsombi> kalikiana: the nice thing is that qmlapicheck does the job for me now ;)
[13:07] <zsombi> kalikiana: seems to be fine without 1.2 imports
[13:07] <kalikiana> :-D
[13:08] <zsombi> kalikiana: I guess I had them dues to full cpp button... :)
[13:10] <zsombi> kalikiana: t1mp: pushed an update, rolling back 1.2 changes
[13:20] <zsombi> t1mp: kalikiana: so, should ActionContext.active work same way as the Item.enabled does?
[13:22] <kalikiana> zsombi: in what sense?
[13:23] <kalikiana> are you talking about making it dependent on parents?
[13:23] <zsombi> kalikiana: in a sense that if the parent ActionContext is deactivated, all its child ActionContexts shousl also be deactivated
[13:23] <kalikiana> aha
[13:23] <kalikiana> yeah
[13:23] <kalikiana> we need that behavior
[13:23] <zsombi> kalikiana: state being reflected thru teh action property
[13:24] <zsombi> kalikiana: it gets deactivated, it's just not reported thru teh actuve property
[13:24] <kalikiana> zsombi: yeah
[13:25] <zsombi> kalikiana: so the actions added to these child ActionContexts won't get triggered in these cases, but the active property will still say true
[13:25] <zsombi> kalikiana: I thought so... so, I think then we have a problem of that being override :)
[13:25] <zsombi> kalikiana: same way as the enabled or visible
[13:26] <zsombi> damn it, I have 2sec lag time in chat!!!
[13:27] <zsombi> kalikiana: so, the thing is, when an Item's enabled has a binding, and its parent gets disabled, the enabled will change, but the binding won't get broken
[13:27] <zsombi> kalikiana: which means that if the binding is reevaluated, the enabled will be set back
[13:27] <zsombi> kalikiana: same with visible
[13:27] <kalikiana> zsombi: well, from my point of view we don't really need the magical properties here. if you need to know if a context blocks an action you can ask the context about that
[13:28] <zsombi> kalikiana: sure, internally we do actually
[13:28] <zsombi> kalikiana: its just shoudl we reflect this tru the active property or not... that's the only question
[13:30] <kalikiana> zsombi: we need to ensure trigger() respects its context - there's no requirement beyond that. even a custom component wouldn't care so long as it simply calls that function
[13:31] <kalikiana> the only other aspect would be hotkey registration which probably should depend on whether the context is active
[13:31] <kalikiana> ie. if you have a shortcut ^X in two contexts one of which is enabled, it shouldn't clash
[13:32] <zsombi> kalikiana: I think the shortcut registration can proceed no matter of what, the shortcut matcher otoh takes into account whether the action is activable or not, if not, then won't return the match
[13:32] <zsombi> kalikiana: so in this sense if we have two actions with the same shortcut, and one is activable other si not, only teh activable will be selected
[13:33] <kalikiana> zsombi: yep, if that respects the context state that's all we need
[13:33] <kalikiana> and then there's no need for the action itself to magically change property values
[13:35] <zsombi> kalikiana: right, what I'm trying to sort out with you si the ActionContext.active state :)
[13:36] <zsombi> kalikiana: so if we want that to follow the same setup as Item.enabled/visible, then we may run into the same problemas Item.enabled/visible does
[13:36] <kalikiana> zsombi: oh, you mean having the context change its property value
[13:36] <kalikiana> I was thinking only of the action above
[13:36] <zsombi> kalikiana: actually I was only talking about the context :)
[13:37] <zsombi> kalikiana: like if you change the enabled/visible of a parent item, that affects the child items' properties as well
[13:37] <kalikiana> zsombi: right. my stance is the same, though. I don't find the semantics of those magical properties very nice to work with
[13:37] <zsombi> kalikiana: now, if the child items do have bindings on these, those change these back eventually
[13:37] <kalikiana> it breaks bindings and makes it difficult to know what the real value is
[13:38] <zsombi> kalikiana: the thing is that the enabled is handled behind teh scenes and bindings stay!
[13:39] <kalikiana> zsombi: well, yes, but you still get different values than you should, and you can't know the real state anymore
[13:40] <kalikiana> zsombi: I would like it if there was a way to actually know both
[13:40] <kalikiana> zsombi: it's also very specialized - rotation doesn't work in this way
[13:41] <kalikiana> you change the value, things move around, and the value is the same
[13:41] <zsombi> kalikiana: let me get to a meeting, and we get back to it
[13:41] <kalikiana> k
[13:48] <zsombi> kalikiana: we could have active, and effectiveActive props, what do you think? effectiveActive would be RO, so no binding on it would be doable
[13:49] <zsombi> kalikiana: active would mean the local active, would not collide with the parent actives at all, and wouldn't be driven by that either
[13:54] <kalikiana> zsombi: the question is, what's the use case for it?
[14:26] <davmor2> popey: I found out why some of the apps from the ppa weren't opening.  They rely on Ubuntu.component 1.3 which is wily, that would explain why it worked for you and not me too I guess right?
[14:27] <davmor2> popey: I upgraded today and they all open now :)  Calendar refuses to accept my Google account which makes it a bit meh :(
[14:47] <DS-McGuire> Announcing Ubuntu Themed Days - Looking for feedback: https://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/comments/3ic48m/announcing_ubuntu_themed_days_looking_for_feedback/
[14:58] <zsombi> kalikiana: back now....
[14:58] <zsombi> t1mp: kalikiana: we are going to have a real palette FINALLY!!!
[14:59] <popey> davmor2: yes, I'm on wily
[15:00] <kalikiana> zsombi: my last question wrt ActionContext was, what use case are we looking at for effectiveActive? if we only sort it out internally we don't necessarily want API
[15:00] <zsombi> kalikiana: so, the only use case for effectiveActive I see is testing, however that one can be handled thru triggering actions and not getting any trigger count on the signal sspy
[15:01] <zsombi> kalikiana: right, so I'd then skip it for now until further notice
[15:01] <kalikiana> yeah. I'd expect tests to only test the expected value anyway - there's no need for conditions
[15:01] <zsombi> kalikiana: yes, I do the testing like that now
[15:02] <zsombi> kalikiana: one more thing, I turned ActionContext into Item, the property lookup was really slow... so now those who want to group actions can use the ActionContext, and it is also a focus scope to propagate focusing
[15:04] <zsombi> t1mp: kalikiana: we got 4 color sets, normal, selected, hovered and disabled, and few more palette value names: positive, negative, active, position
[15:04] <zsombi> t1mp: kalikiana: and finally we are going to use these values in the UI spec!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:05] <kalikiana> zsombi: erm, what about focussed?
[15:06] <zsombi> kalikiana: that will be potentially a simple color apart from the palette, as it only happens on components which are focused
[15:07] <zsombi> kalikiana: so the visual component doing the focusing will need to be subtyped in themes if they need different color
[15:07] <zsombi> kalikiana: or, we put it as color in the Palette, without being included in any color value set, I think this would be much better
[15:08] <zsombi> kalikiana: in this way the Palette will have normal, selected, hovered, disabled value sets and focus + focusText pair
[15:11] <zsombi> kalikiana: however we may not even need focusText for now...
[15:11] <kalikiana> zsombi: how is focus different to say selected? you select text and the component assumes focus styling, with the text changing colors
[15:11] <kalikiana> that seems reverse to what you're saying
[15:11] <zsombi> kalikiana: the focus frame will be shown around a text input, and then the selected text will be colored differently, just like now
[15:13] <kalikiana> zsombi: yes. but that means selected isn't a state at all, but focus is
[15:13] <zsombi> kalikiana: hmm.... actually you're right! the selected is actually the focus...
[15:14] <zsombi> kalikiana: or... hold on, no
[15:14] <zsombi> kalikiana: there will be a state in some components, called selected
[15:14] <zsombi> kalikiana: we're gonna use the color set on those components, the focus is focus + normal
[15:15]  * zsombi double checks
[15:16] <kalikiana> zsombi: I'm kind of wondering how these categories are defined. for example normal=enabled/sleeping disabled=!enabled hovered=mouse within the component.... so why isn't focus=activeFocus in the same league as those other folks?
[15:18] <didrocks> jdstrand: hey, I was wondering if the user denied some permissions, like the location one for an app. Is there an easy way for the app itself to know about it? (like showing two label, one "no location available" if no GPS is available and another "location is denied for this application")?
[15:19] <jdstrand> hi
[15:19] <ogra_> didrocks, i guess thats a tvoss question, that stuff should be handled by the trust-store
[15:19] <didrocks> ah, I'm happy to relay :)
[15:19] <jdstrand> there is not a way for the app to specifically ask if it has permission that I know of. it depends on what APIs the service in question offers
[15:20] <didrocks> jdstrand: yeah, for location is just seem that no signal will be sent for instance, but that can also mean we didn't get any GPS fix
[15:20] <jdstrand> eg, does location service provide an api for the app to see if it has access. (I don't think it does)
[15:20] <didrocks> yep, that's exactly it
[15:21] <didrocks> thanks ogra_, jdstrand!
[15:21] <jdstrand> np
[15:32] <aquarius> jdstrand, ping about manual review of apps :)
[15:58] <zsombi> kalikiana: you mean the colors?
[15:58] <zsombi> mzanetti: ping
[16:00] <zsombi> kalikiana: t1mpso, I can happrove https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/cppAbstractButton/+merge/268442?
[16:00] <zsombi> t1mp: ^
[16:01] <kalikiana> zsombi: yes, as far as I
[16:01] <kalikiana> 'm concerned
[16:01] <zsombi> kalikiana: thx
[16:01] <zsombi> kalikiana: t1mp was waiting on your approval
[16:01] <kalikiana> oh. but I already approved on lp
[16:02] <kalikiana> sorry about that
[16:02] <zsombi> kalikiana: np, I happroved it now, thx + t1mp
[16:02] <zsombi> kalikiana: so, back to colors...
[16:02] <kalikiana> zsombi: yes wrt the colors. it's unclear to me how selected warrants a category in the palette, but focus doesn't
[16:03] <zsombi> kalikiana: so, selected == focus
[16:03] <kalikiana> hmm
[16:03] <zsombi> kalikiana: and we may get an outline + text color pair there to handle the focus coloring of the components
[16:03] <kalikiana> zsombi: well, there's possibly two things we call selected, so we should try to avoid ambiguity here
[16:04] <kalikiana> you can select text - different colors
[16:04] <kalikiana> you can select list items
[16:04] <zsombi> kalikiana: the text selection is called position...
[16:04] <kalikiana> you can select, as in focus
[16:04] <zsombi> kalikiana: the list item selection is made thru checkboxes
[16:04] <kalikiana> zsombi: position?
[16:05] <zsombi> kalikiana: perhaps a bit different, I do n't remember by heart, but we can ammend that
[16:06] <kalikiana> zsombi: I get the feeling if we're not careful the only way to talk about the palette will be with a cheatsheet that shows what the terms mean..
[16:06] <zsombi> kalikiana: then we will have different selections in different components as well, so..
[16:07] <zsombi> kalikiana: I second to that :) it's just we cannot really change the palette value set names like that...
[16:07] <kalikiana> selection styling depends on the component, just like focus does, that is fine
[16:08] <kalikiana> the question is if there is a color that'll be shared - or will selection in that way always be based on other things
[16:08] <zsombi> kalikiana: yes, the text selection will also be used in file manager's selection too... potentially...
[16:08] <zsombi> I mean colors
[16:09] <zsombi> kalikiana: which is why the "position" was added
[16:09] <zsombi> kalikiana: it's just badly named
[16:09] <zsombi> kalikiana: sees UX doc end
[16:10] <kalikiana> zsombi: thing is nobody would ever say "I postioned a few files, now how do I copy them" ;-)
[16:10] <zsombi> kalikiana: LOL exactly... and they really call it as
[16:11] <kalikiana> zsombi: so if "position" means selection in plan english, what does "selection" translate to?
[16:12] <zsombi> kalikiana: just commented on it :D
[16:13] <zsombi> kalikiana: + the "active" seems to be the color they use in focus highlighting...
[16:14] <kalikiana> ah found it in the doc now
[16:14] <kalikiana> okay, so position is even described as selection...
[16:16] <zsombi> right :D
[16:25] <mzanetti> zsombi, pong
[16:25] <zsombi> mzanetti: remember the mouse/keyboard detection thingie?
[16:26] <zsombi> mzanetti: or you had sthing comitted upstream which would do some enumeration for these, right?
[16:29] <zsombi> kalikiana: one more question, do you prefer overlay action context or modal action context naming?
[16:31] <zsombi> kalikiana: maybe we don't even want to exose this...
[16:31] <zsombi> kalikiana: but drive it from the Dialog in some way...
[16:32] <zsombi> mzanetti: do you know what I'm talking about?
[16:38] <mzanetti> zsombi, yes
[16:38] <zsombi> mzanetti: aaaaand? :)
[19:14] <davmor2> popey: coreapps ppa will all the apps get rebuilt for wily?
[19:25] <popey> davmor2: possibly
[21:51] <aquarius> Hm. How do I use i18n.tr to indicate a translation on an HTML string? I have, for example, the string "Hello, this is the <b>world</b>"; how do I express that in an i18n.tr-able form so that it can be translated? I don't want to do i18n.tr("Hello, you are the") + "<b>" + i18n.tr("world") + "</b>" because then someone translating won't get the whole sentence in one go (and so won't know which gender to put the
[21:51] <aquarius>  "the" in)
[21:57] <ahayzen> aquarius, you could put a // TRANSLATORS: comment on the line before which then shows in LP, like we do in the music-app here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/refactor/view/head:/app/components/Helpers/UserMetricsHelper.qml#L30 this then appears like this https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/refactor/+pots/com.ubuntu.music/en_GB/25/+translate
[21:57] <aquarius> ahayzen, I could, but then the comment would have to say "be careful to keep all the HTML formatting in place or you'll break everything" :-)
[21:58] <aquarius> which I don't really wanna do
[21:58] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:00] <aquarius> what I *want* to do is this: i18n.tr("Hello, your port is number %1".replace("%1", "<b>%1</b>")).arg(port);
[22:01] <aquarius> but I bet that doesn't work right because it's not a plain string inside the i18n.tr call so the thing which parses the QML file won't get it correctly.
[22:03] <aquarius> and I can't replace it *afterwards* (that is, i18n.tr("Port is %1 or maybe %2").arg(port1,port2).replace(port1, "<b>"+port1+"</b>").replace(port2, "<b>"+port2+"</b>") because port1 might be a substring of port2
[22:06] <ahayzen> oo that looks like the tag() thing we never got working https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.i18n/#tag-method
[22:11] <aquarius> ya, I was right, I can't do clever things inside an i18n.tr call.
[22:17] <aquarius> actually... maybe I can.
[22:19] <aquarius> ha haaaa!
[22:20] <aquarius> no, wait.
[22:21] <aquarius> darn it.
[22:21] <aquarius> my trick won't work.
[22:24] <mcphail> aquarius: you can have a function as the 2nd argument to String.replace, so you don't have to rely on the dumb defaults to do the replacement (and hence getting mixed up with substrings)
[22:24] <aquarius> mcphail, the problem is that I don't know what to replace.
[22:25] <aquarius> I would like the output string to be: <p>Hello, your number is 31</p>. I have a variable, n, which is set to 31. What should my i18n.tr line be?
[22:26]  * mcphail looks up his javascript book
[22:26] <aquarius> Clearly the string that goes to translators should be "Hello, your number is 31" (with no HTML in it).
[22:28] <aquarius> (er, sorry, the output string should be <p>Hello, your number is <b>31</b></p>
[22:29] <aquarius> i18n.tr("Hello, your number is %1").arg(n).replace("%1", "<b>%1</b>") doesn't work because there's no %1 in the string by the time the replace runs
[22:30] <aquarius> i18n.tr("Hello, your number is %1").replace("%1", "<b>%1</b>").arg(n) doesn't work because replace doesn't return a magic thing with a .arg method, it just returns a string
[22:30] <aquarius> i18n.tr("Hello, your number is %1".replace("%1", "<b>%1</b>")).arg(n) doesn't work because it won't find a match to translate
[22:30] <mcphail> aquarius: what about i18n.tr("Port is do_not_translate_this_placeholder_1 or maybe do_not_translate_this_placeholder_2").replace(/do_not_translate_this_placeholder_1/, "<b>"+n1+"</b>").replace(/...etcetc
[22:31] <mcphail> ugly but might work
[22:31] <aquarius> then I'm doing the substitutions myself rather than i18n.tr doing them
[22:31] <aquarius> I suppose since it's just a port number, I could do that
[22:32] <mcphail> aquarius: can't see how a port number would be internationalised. Different if it was something with a decimal point or whatever
[22:32] <aquarius> ya
[22:32] <aquarius> so, "your port is $PORT$" with a translator comment of "do not translate the $PORT$, just put it where the port number would be"
[22:33] <mcphail> Might well work
[22:34] <mcphail> aquarius: I'm sure the GNU gettext manual has a section on best practice for this kind of thing...
[22:41] <mcphail> aquarius: "HTML markup, however, is common enough that it’s probably ok to use in translatable strings.", according to GNU anyway
[22:41] <aquarius> right. I don't believe that :)
[22:42] <aquarius> I do not want translators to have to understand markup
[22:42] <mcphail> aquarius: fair enough, but at least you can quote a source which says it is OK :) http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Preparing-Strings.html#Preparing-Strings
[22:42] <aquarius> especially since if they, for example, translate <p><font size="7">Hello</font></p> to <p><font size="7>Bonjour</font></p> by accident then it will completely break the app


 Guy spoke English, was friendly, and seemed like he had built the MB himself.
[17:04] <wrst> wow
[17:04] <wrst> i love teh gigabyte boards i have used
[17:04] <wrst> *the
[17:05] <mac9416> Yeah? I've been happy with this one. But it's the only one I've used.
[17:05] <wrst> i've used  a couple and soem gpus also from gigabyte
[17:37] <wrst> howdy jfenn2199
[17:37] <jfenn2199> how wrst
[17:37] <jfenn2199> *how goes wrst
[17:37]  * jfenn2199 thinks faster than types
[17:38] <wrst> i don't think very fast jfenn2199 :)
[17:40] <jfenn2199> lol
[17:40] <wrst> so i type faster than i think :)
[17:45] <jfenn2199> so how's the loco been lately?
[17:49] <wrst> quiet and rainy jfenn2199 :)
[18:12] <wrst> good morning chris4585
[18:14] <chris4585> hey wrst, how is your monday?
[18:14] <wrst> its monday chris4585 but still ok :)
[18:14] <chris4585> it doesn't feel like monday, but I'm glad, whoo october
[18:15] <wrst> i'm a fan of october
[18:38] <chris4585> I kind of just can't wait for this month to be over...
[18:46] <wrst> why is that?
[19:05] <chris4585> november is so full of awesome stuff
[19:06] <wrst> thanksgiving
[19:06] <wrst> i don't like turkey but like a few days off
[19:23] <chris4585> lol I don't really care about turkey either, we usually have turkey, chicken and ham
[19:24] <chris4585> but turkey day is awesome
[19:24] <wrst> my parents a lot of times do steaks i really like that
[19:33] <chris4585> that sounds nice
[19:36] <wrst> yeah turkey just isn't my favorite really
[19:45] <chris4585> I only really like it if there is gravy
[19:46] <wrst> gravy and mashed potatos i can live on that
[19:46] <wrst> hm potatoes?
[19:46] <chris4585> potatoes indeed
[19:46] <chris4585> yeah I can't have too much dry meat, gravy <3
[19:47] <chris4585> this conversation is a little too early lol again I wish it was november already
[19:56] <wrst> ha ha chris4585
[19:56] <wrst> never too early to get hungry i don't suppose
[20:13] <chris4585> lol I guess, but thanksgiving only comes once :/
[20:16] <wrst> yeah i could stand some turkey or gravy or whatever right now actually
[20:27] <chris4585> mmm
[20:28] <chris4585> wrst, did you see that the amazon results in unity wont filter NSFW content?
[20:28] <chris4585> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-wont-fix-nsfw-content-in-amazon-unity-results
[20:32] <wrst> chris4585: yes heard that yesterday on the linux action show
[20:33] <chris4585> ah
[20:35] <wrst> well that is a bit fanboyish because while yes you can disable it, but by default it will be on
[20:35] <wrst> and if that's the case that shouldn't be enabled
[22:26] <chris4585> wrst, yeah I agree, just kind of makes ubuntu look very bad in the spot light


[00:07] <M4dH4TT3r> your slick bazhang
[04:29]  * Jordan_U thinks that a quiet would have been more fitting for kalimojo ;)
[04:29]  * Jordan_U is mean
[04:31] <bazhang> is assembly really on topic for #ubuntu ?
[04:57] <tsimpson> bazhang: discussion on how to setup the tool-chain on Ubuntu, sure. but specifics about Linux assembly programming, no
[13:12] <_313hummer> why was i banned?
[13:13] <bazhang> from where
[13:14] <_313hummer> #ubuntu
[13:14] <bazhang> let me check
[13:14] <_313hummer> i am jordan4ibanez
[13:15] <bazhang> ok
[13:16] <Tm_T> hi _313hummer
[13:16] <_313hummer> hello
[13:16] <bazhang> _313hummer, the ranting about unity and being asked to stop with the offtopic
[13:17] <_313hummer> i did not see the stop request
[13:17] <Tm_T> _313hummer: do you know what #ubuntu is for?
[13:17] <_313hummer> yes
[13:18] <Tm_T> what is it for?
[13:18] <_313hummer> for talking..i thought i was in ubuntu-offtopic
[13:18] <_313hummer> >.>
[13:18] <_313hummer> talking about fixing the os and stuff*
[13:19] <Tm_T> ah, so you were thinking you were on -offtopic?
[13:19] <jordan4ibanez> yes and i apoligize
[13:20] <Tm_T> jordan4ibanez: allright, so you are not going to use #ubuntu for ranting anymore? (:
[13:20] <jordan4ibanez> nope!
[13:20] <Tm_T> and you understand why it's not ok to rant in our support channels?
[13:21] <jordan4ibanez> yes
[13:21] <Tm_T> good, while were at it, you're familiar with out guidelines?
[13:21] <Tm_T> !guidelines > jordan4ibanez
[13:21] <Tm_T> s/out/our/
[13:22] <jordan4ibanez> ok
[13:22] <Tm_T> jordan4ibanez: are you familiar?
[13:22] <jordan4ibanez> yes yes i thought i was in another channel
[13:23] <Tm_T> allright
[13:25] <Tm_T> jordan4ibanez: ban is removed now, happy ircing
[13:25] <jordan4ibanez> ok thanks
[13:25] <bazhang> and immediately starts trolling in -ot
[14:56] <bazhang> a backtick is weird french now `ooh lala
[15:04] <ikonia> Rozy is trolling in my opinion
[15:04] <ikonia> he's using mirc which doesn't default to #ubuntu on freenode
[15:04] <ikonia> he's made a decision to join this network/channel
[15:28] <bazhang> seems mostly harmless
[15:29] <ikonia> agrred
[15:29] <ikonia> agreed
 i need serious help
[20:20] <Guest61815> can i get unbaned from #ubuntu please
[20:23] <ikonia> Guest61815: you are in #ubuntu
[20:24] <ikonia> Guest61815: you where however talking about rather odd things earlier
[20:28] <Guest61815> i know but my problem is odd im sorry you dont like the truth of my issue i just dont understand why my ubuntu issue should not be heard i feel ive been cheated please tell me whatparts you dont allow thier
[20:29] <Guest61815> of my previous comments
[20:29] <Guest61815> you are seeing somthing different than what i type im shure
[20:30] <Guest61815> i need support very bad ive been trying to use pc for 2 weeks now
[20:33] <ikonia> Guest61815: you feel that you've been cheated ?
[20:34] <Guest61815> yup
[20:35] <ikonia> well, based on your comments, which to be honest and blunt, where just rambling nonsense, I don't see how #ubuntu can help you
[20:35] <ikonia> Guest61815: please tell me the question you want to ask #ubuntu ?
[20:35] <Guest61815> i cant even claim my registered nick cause of hackers
[20:35] <Guest61815> the question is
[20:35] <ikonia> Guest61815: please tell me the question you want to ask #ubuntu ?
[20:36] <Guest61815> now i want to know where to go for ubuntu 11.10 software center software support
[20:37] <ikonia> Guest61815: that is #ubuntu, so what is the problem you are having with ubuntu software center
[20:37] <Guest61815> no i need support on some of the software i get from there
[20:38] <ikonia> ok - tell me what you need help with
[20:38] <Guest61815> is thier a channel for ubuntu software
[20:38] <ikonia> yes, #ubuntu, now tell me what you need help with
[20:38] <Guest61815> im trying to figure out how to use gimp photo editor
[20:38] <ikonia> Guest61815: if you want to re-gain access to #ubuntu, please tell me what you need help with
[20:39] <Guest61815> what channel
[20:39] <ikonia> Guest61815: ok, the channel #gimp is for how to use gimp
[20:39] <Guest61815> is that considered exceptable #ubuntu question
[20:39] <ikonia> Guest61815: for info on how to use gimp, the channel #gimp is the correct place
[20:39] <ikonia> #gimp is the correct place
[20:40] <Guest61815> ok then i dont have anymore to say on #ubuntu for now
[20:40] <ikonia> Guest61815: great, in that case please leave this channel and good luck getting help


[06:49] <Voyage> Hi
[06:49] <Voyage> My site was running just fine but now I get this error: http://pastie.org/10662388 how can I trace the reasons?
[08:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:19] <[Mew2]> Hey guys how do I set up a firewall?
[10:21] <lordievader> [Mew2]: You put the appropriate rules in iptables?
[10:21] <[Mew2]> How?
[10:22] <[Mew2]> Is iptables already installed?
[10:23] <lordievader> [Mew2]: Yes.
[10:24] <lordievader> [Mew2]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[10:24] <[Mew2]> Thank you lordievader :)
[12:11] <dbugger> Hello fellas
[12:11] <dbugger> I have this server where apparently I cant log in with password, and I am not sure how to change that... This is the sshd_config configuration: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14309778/ Did I miss something?
[12:15] <AvatarA> did you reload/restart ssh daemon?
[12:16] <dbugger> AvatarA, yea
[12:27] <EmilienM> jamespage: ack, thanks
[12:27] <EmilienM> Walex2: ahah :-) it's just an openstack release
[14:25] <repozitor> i configured firewall-cmd to allow only ssh, http, https, dns, mdns, openvpn, 10000 ports
[14:25] <repozitor> but i see other port are open
[14:25] <repozitor> what is wrong with me?
[14:25] <repozitor> service firewall-cmd show me this service is running
[14:25] <teward> repozitor: how are you testing open ports
[14:25] <repozitor> for example 1080 port is open, but it should be blocked
[14:25] <teward> remotely with nmap, or locally on the server itself
[14:26] <repozitor> just telnet myServerIP 1080
[14:26] <repozitor> also firewall-cmd --list-all-zones show me everything is fine.
[14:28] <repozitor> any idea?
[14:28] <repozitor> i mean remotely run telnet, on my computer
[14:42] <_Brandon_> hi, how can I provide custom mkfs.ext4 parameters during the installation? after the partitioning in the gui it starts copying the file so I don't have time to enter the terminal and do it from there
[14:43] <patdk-wk> heh? you can drop to terminal at any time
[14:43] <patdk-wk> make it
[14:44] <patdk-wk> then go back in and continue
[14:47] <_Brandon_> yeah but I can't format the root partition while it's copying the file, I need to do it after the partitioning but before the actual installation, but maybe I've figured it out, I rebooted after it started the copy so the partition scheme is already there and I can just use mkfs
[14:49] <TJ-> You can drop back to the installer menu and use the root shell at any time
[16:08] <dasjoe> Lower debconf priority so it'll ask more questions
[16:11] <ben___> Why would apparmor still deny "signal" in this profile? error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14316057/ profile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14316098/
[16:41] <Humming> Hey, in this "Match User falko     ChrootDirectory /home     AllowTCPForwarding no     X11Forwarding no"
[16:41] <Humming> What does chrootdirectory /home mean?
[16:47] <tarpman> Humming: it is described in the sshd_config(5) man page (along with everything else in that file)
[17:17] <grendal_prime> I dowloaded eclipse IDE and am running it right from a folder in my users dir.  I want it to be abailable to everyone on the machine.  Where do i need to install it so that the unity bar will acknowledge it is on the system and all users can then use it?
[17:17] <grendal_prime> Im assuming in the usr/share dir but i want to make sure.
[17:20] <tarpman> grendal_prime: probably a better question for #ubuntu than here, but: apt-get install eclipse
[17:21] <grendal_prime> ya that version of eclipse is very out of date
[17:22] <grendal_prime> as far as  #ubuntu goes i cant converse there..i got banned from there some time back over something very trivial and have not been back for some time.
[17:23] <tarpman> grendal_prime: I see. anyway, /usr/share belongs to the package manager, don't put your own stuff there. for eclipse to be known to unity, you need a .desktop file for it (you could try stealing the one from the package), and it should go in /usr/local/share/applications
[17:24] <grendal_prime> ok so the app should be installed in  /usr/local/share/applications and the .desktop goes where?
[17:25] <tarpman> other way around
[17:25] <tarpman> the .desktop goes in /usr/local/share/applications. doesn't matter where the program is, as long as the .desktop points to it
[17:26] <tarpman> if you're just downloading a tarball from the eclipse web site, I'd personally unpack it in /opt/eclipse or similar
[17:28] <grendal_prime> ahh got it thanks man... ya that was orginally my plan.../opt/eclipse but it didnt show in unity even after i did that.... Ya  its the desktop type stuf that i dont typically understand I use the unity desktop but know very little about it. Ive built linux servers for over 9 years now...the desktop still eludes me on several fronts.
[17:29] <grendal_prime> hey this is a bit off topic (but helpfull info....conseqently what i frequently get banned for) but do you use eclipse?
[17:30] <tarpman> no, I use vim :P
[17:31] <grendal_prime> ok...well i would highly recommend it ..it for web dev and php type work.  I discoverd a great ssh remote access plug in for it that allows directly connecting via ssh...super easy to do real time edit.
[17:32] <grendal_prime> ok...well i would highly recommend it ..it for web dev and php type work.  I discoverd a great ssh remote access plug in for it that allows directly connecting via ssh...super easy to do real time edit.1
[17:32] <grendal_prime> damn it fat fingers i have..
[17:33] <grendal_prime> peace out and happy new year!
[17:37] <grendal_prime> hey tarpman my applications dir seems to be in /usr/share/applications
[17:37] <grendal_prime> this is ubuntu 14.04  did they move it.. or
[17:37] <tarpman> grendal_prime: things installed by the package manager go in /usr/share. your things do not. your things go in /usr/local/share
[17:37] <tarpman> grendal_prime: if you don't have a /usr/local/share/applications, you can create it
[17:38] <grendal_prime> alright...own by root correct?
[17:38] <tarpman> yeah
[17:38] <tarpman> grendal_prime: sorry for going on about that, but keeping package manager stuff and your custom stuff separate is pretty important for having a sane system
[17:38] <grendal_prime> no totally makes sence
[17:39] <grendal_prime> i just wanted to make sure.
[17:39] <grendal_prime> ill just steal one from the /usr/share/applicatioins and make changes to it
[17:48] <grendal_prime> that did the trick..thanks man
[17:53] <genii> How can I get multiple monitors working without X? Framebuffer?
[23:57] <danrik> Could somoene help me troubleshoot this one?
[23:57] <danrik> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/306251/60624214/
[23:58] <danrik> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:58] <danrik>  linux-image-extra-3.13.0-58-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-58-generic but it is not installed


[01:16] <ScottK> phillw: We may, but yet please.  The more the merrier in any case.
[01:17] <phillw> ScottK: okies. I will, I'm also going to announce on ubuntu forum apple area :)
[05:49] <maclin> hi,guys, Is there any problem with the qatracker building? I requested a rebuild this morning and the status has keeping re-building for nearly 6 hours.
[05:51] <smartboyhw> ^ That's for UbuntuKylin
[05:51] <maclin> yes, thanks smartboyhw
[05:53] <maclin> Anyone could help to check it? I even can't cancel the rebuild request.
[06:08] <phillw> maclin: AFAIK, we are still on cron-job rebuilds. Only when the cron is suspended can we ask the system for re-spins (e.g after Monday when beta 1 trips in for us). I'm sure one of the release team will correct my rough and basic knowledge of how it all works; but that is it to my knowledge.
[06:11] <smartboyhw> phillw, huh? I asked for an Ubuntu Studio rebuild yesterday and it worked
[06:11] <smartboyhw> Maybe the day before yesterday, forgotten
[06:13] <phillw> maclin: 14 22 * * *	for-project ubuntukylin cron.daily-live --live
[06:13] <phillw> 22:14 UTC is the build time for kylin
[06:13] <phillw> smartboyhw: 20:34 UTC is for ubuntu studio
[06:14] <smartboyhw> phillw, actually, where can I find that-.-
[06:14] <phillw> If you're ever unsure, look it up on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/view/head:/etc/crontab
[06:14] <phillw> I have the times in the lubuntu area so people know not to start a test suite one hour before a respin :D
[06:18] <phillw> Those times do come with a bit of small print "Please note from the release team: Sure, as long as it's clear that it's subject to change - We're not intending to make any promises here. We won't change them around frivolously or anything but it's possible."
[06:19] <phillw> the times on the link are the times, the entries onto your wiki page, should you let people know; are subject to change.
[07:42] <Laney> hello
[07:42] <Laney> I'm about to generate the beta block
[07:47] <jodh> Laney: have you heard any update on the mysql-blocking-upstart issue? upstart is still in -proposed.
[07:47] <phillw> Laney: will the late FFe squeeze in?
[07:47] <Laney> jodh: checking
[07:49] <Laney> jodh: Guess I'll skip that then :-/
[07:49] <Laney> jamespage: ^^^ have you seen this?
[07:49] <Laney> phillw: what FFe?
[07:49] <Laney> (We can do unblocks)
[07:49] <jamespage> Laney, I was just looking now
[07:49] <jamespage> stderr is causing the DEP-8 test to fail
[07:49] <Laney> jamespage: might be because of the stderr output
[07:49] <Laney> ha
[07:49] <jamespage> I'm testing a fix now
[07:49] <jamespage> but it takes ~3 hours to build
[07:50] <Laney> ok
[07:50] <phillw> Laney: the one from micah for gnumeric etc.? it is on the ubuntu-release emails?
[07:50] <Laney> phillw: yes
[07:50] <jamespage> if mysql is the last thing holding it please force it throught
[07:50] <Laney> I don't know where the uploads stand though, didn't check yet
[07:50] <jodh> Laney/jamespage: this is rather unfortunate - having a new version of upstart appear in the archive on a Friday is not optimal imho :(
[07:50] <Laney> jamespage: ok, but really really ideally not any more
[07:50] <phillw> Laney: it was ~ 13:00 today.
[07:50] <jamespage> Laney, trying my best
[07:50] <jamespage> sorry
[07:51] <Laney> I know, thanks for fixing it ;-)
[07:51] <jamespage> not sure why I'm apologizing actually - I did not write the DEP-8 tests and they have never actually passed...
[07:51] <jamespage> but hey - its a server package
[07:51]  * jamespage takes it like a man
[07:52] <Laney> collective responsibility
[07:52] <Laney> very cabinet of you
[07:53] <phillw> Laney: the community flavours affected would really like this in for the beta 1 if at all possible.
[07:54] <Laney> phillw: Someone has to upload it then
[07:54] <jodh> jamespage, Laney: am I reading these mysql test results correctly? they all passed, but the overall test failed due to stderr output right?
[07:54] <jamespage> jodh, thats right
[07:54] <Laney> jodh: seems like it
[07:54] <Laney> (hint updated)
[07:54] <jamespage> jodh, the fix is 2>&1
[07:54] <smartboyhw> Laney, if you can ACK Bug 1218736 it would be great
[07:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218736 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[FFe]Please update oxygen-gtk3 to 1.2.0" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218736
[07:55] <jodh> Laney: so, what are the options wrt getting upstart into main? I'd rather not go through the whole FFE process as I actually uploaded 2 days ago, but ideally, I'd like upstart to hit the archive monday now due to the mysql delays.
[07:55] <Laney> jodh: No FFe
[07:55] <Laney> jodh: Now you get the entire Europe and US days - is that not enough?
[07:56] <phillw> Laney: his eta was ~ 13:00 UTC today (micah) Adam Conrad was pretty relaxed and appreciated that they do need to land. May I ask why the sudden "we're closing"?
[07:56] <jodh> Laney: lets hope so.
[07:56] <infinity> jodh: Getting upstart into "main"?  You mean into the release pocket?
[07:56] <jodh> infinity: right
[07:56] <smartboyhw> phillw, you did report a FFe bug right?
[07:57] <Laney> phillw: What? There's no closing. No need to panic.
[07:57] <infinity> jodh: I'll let it slip in right now.
[07:57] <Laney> We can unblock. micahg knows how to ask.
[07:57] <Laney> infinity: I just pushed the force-badtest update.
[07:57] <infinity> Oh, or Laney will. ;)
[07:58] <Laney> Although...
[07:58] <phillw> smartboyhw: nope, it was done using the release team email list to get permission from all the flavours it would affect. The result of that was that we would much rather prefer it in for the Beta 1, than after.
[07:58] <smartboyhw> phillw, can't you read the mail ScottK wrote?
[07:58] <Laney> The version on excuses is ubuntu3 but I forced for ubuntu5
[07:58] <Laney> hope that works
 Yes.  Please go ahead (like today so we can minimize architectural changes
[07:58] <smartboyhw> after Beta), but also please file an FFe bug for the record (I'll be happy to
[07:58] <smartboyhw> bless if after I sleep).
[07:58] <infinity> Laney: It won't work, no.  I'll just add a skiptest for that upstart version while I'm in there. :P
[07:59]  * Laney glares at adt-britney
[07:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: it was not for me to raise a Ffe bug report. It *was* being handled via the mailing list :)
[07:59] <smartboyhw> phillw, ?
[08:00] <Laney> It's fine. Calm down. Far more important that someone actually does the work and uploads now.
[08:00] <smartboyhw> Laney, both me and phillw are not uploaders
[08:00] <phillw> Laney: indeed, please give micah time. Us mere mortals are used to ~17:00 UTC as cut off time :)
[08:00] <Laney> (a) That doesn't stop you from doing the work, (b) micahg indicated he would in his initial mail
[08:01] <phillw> Laney: how do I file an FFe that affects several flavours?
[08:01] <smartboyhw> phillw, just file it?
[08:01] <infinity> phillw: Huh?
[08:01] <phillw> I'm lubuntu release manager only.
[08:01] <smartboyhw> No need to care about flavours
[08:01] <smartboyhw> Just report a bug through Launchpad
[08:01] <infinity> phillw: An FFe is for allowing a package upload to the archive, it has nothing to do with flavours.
[08:02] <Laney> He has time. Don't know what you're talking about with 1700UTC. The freezes were yesterday.
[08:02] <infinity> Granted, if micahg uploads those before filing a bug, no one's going to complain, Scott's just going to make sure he does the paperwork at some point.
[08:02] <infinity> At any rate, discussing an upload that hasn't happened yet is silly.  Wait for micahg to get around to it.
[08:02] <phillw> I've only ever done an SRU, can someone pop into -quality and talk me through it so as not to antagonise people here?
[08:02] <smartboyhw> infinity, sigh, I will do the FFe bug
[08:03] <infinity> smartboyhw: If you do, follow up to the list thread, so micahg knows he doesn't have to file another. :P
[08:03] <smartboyhw> infinity, sure
[08:03] <infinity> smartboyhw: You can just copy and paste his original email, FWIW.  Don't need to be fancy here, two release engineers already ACKed it.
[08:03] <infinity> (One of them's just anal about paperwork)
[08:04] <smartboyhw> infinity, :P
[08:04] <jibel> jamespage, you could use the restriction allow-stderr in dep8 control file instead of redirecting stderr
[08:05] <jamespage> jibel, I could
[08:05] <jamespage> jibel, but I'm half way throught testing it with redirection in the script itself
[08:05] <Laney> jibel: Do you know why upstart/excuses shows an older version of mysql-5.5?
[08:05] <Laney> I guess it's something to do with the depends being dropped
[08:06] <phillw> Laney: when I started, it was still yesterday :) But, I just had a sneaky feeling that all that was agreed on the mailing list would count for nothing when faced with "the rules" :)
[08:07] <Laney> Well don't.
[08:08] <Laney> bah, did python-apt break API?
[08:08] <infinity> phillw: What are you on about?  What was agreed on the mailing list counts for everything, the FFe is fine, the sky is not falling.  However, arguing to include something that hasn't been uploaded is.  Uhm.  Meaningless.
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Laney, bug 1218763
[08:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218763 in goffice (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update gnumeric to upstream version 1.12.6 and goffice to 0.10.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218763
[08:12] <jibel> Laney, because that was the version in the archive when upstart 1.10-0ubuntu1 was uploaded
[08:15] <Laney> jibel: Ah, and it's a bug that this wasn't updated for subsequent versions, OK then
[08:16] <Laney> beta 1 supercalifragilisticexpialidocious block pushed
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Laney, Bug 1218763 and Bug 1218766 to the Ubuntu Release Team's ACK.
[08:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218763 in goffice (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update gnumeric to upstream version 1.12.6 and goffice to 0.10.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218763
[08:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218766 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update Xfce4-settings to upstream version 4.11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218766
[08:18] <Laney> smartboyhw: ok, thanks for filing
[08:18] <smartboyhw> phillw, ^ happy?
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Laney, if you can, do Bug 1218736 or me too:)
[08:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218736 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[FFe]Please update oxygen-gtk3 to 1.2.0" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218736
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Huh, 36, 63 and 66
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Lucky number!
[08:50] <xnox> Laney: please unblock & migrate upstart =) since well mysql-5.5 5.5.32-0ubuntu3 will for sure never pass now, as the version moved on now & it's not a direct r-dep anymore.
[08:53] <Laney> xnox: yes, unblocking it
[08:53] <Laney> I saw your sidestepping of the issue :P
[08:55] <xnox> Laney: I have no idea what you are on about, it is valid for mysql to drop that depends =))) _and_ it's been failing to build on i386 a couple of times, so it needed a rebuild anyway on i386 =)
[08:55] <phillw> smartboyhw: thanks.
[08:55] <phillw> infinity: can you kick off a manual respin of ISos'?
[09:06] <phillw> if there is a respin authorised person about, could you please kick ubuntu-kylin off. their release manager marked it for a respin some 10 hours ago now. He did not know that the iso's are still under cron control and it is sat as status rebuilding.
[09:08] <Laney> they are
[09:14] <cjwatson> requested rebuilds should happen regardless of cron
[09:15] <phillw> cjwatson: in that case, there is something stopping the kylin one. He came on several hours ago to say he had requested a respin several hours before and it had not happened.
[09:15] <cjwatson> I think rebuild-requests is stuck - there's a process there that's been running since Aug 12, but it shouldn't be long-running
[09:15] <cjwatson> I'll try killing it and letting it respawn
[09:16] <cjwatson> Not that I see any locking either, so maybe that isn't it
[09:26] <cjwatson> Oh, cdimage tried to rebuild, the build failed, it marked the rebuild as Built in the iso.qa database when the build ended, but it never published a new version (since it failed) so it effectively looks stuck
[09:30] <phillw> cjwatson: I'm just going to copy and paste that explanation.. I've read it three times now.... "build failed and system the didn't know what to do as it does not have such error trapping, yet."
[09:30] <phillw> Am I close?
[09:31] <cjwatson> Please don't copy and paste my explanation as it's not an explanation, I'm thinking out loud
[09:31] <cjwatson> If you start copying every word I say then I'll just investigate silently instead
[09:31] <cjwatson> I think you'd probably prefer it if I were a little more verbose though
[09:33] <cjwatson> I've forcibly reset those rebuilds to the Requested state - let's see what happens
[09:33] <cjwatson> An actual investigation of the bug here requires stgraber, but perhaps I can poke it into action for now
[09:33] <phillw> cjwatson: that is why I asked if my interpretation was close. It means I have a basic idea and can then pass that on. Please do not be offended over the standing joke of the language devs speak in; it was meant jokingly and not as to cause offence :'(
[09:34] <cjwatson> I don't think it's valuable to pass on my random intermediate musings.
[09:35] <cjwatson> They're mostly for the benefit of stgraber reviewing this log later.
[09:35] <cjwatson> There we go, it's rebuilding now, though apparently building i386 twice (whoops, that's my fault)
[09:36] <phillw> twice is better than zero :) Thanks.
[09:36] <cjwatson> (There were two i386 requests in the Built state, and I idiotically reset both to Requested)
[09:39] <phillw> cjwatson: you were perfectly entilted to say "wait for stgrabber", that you did not and got the builds for that team going is a testament to the sort of guy you are. I'm sure that their TL would agree fully with that sentiment, but to save any more issues with c & P I will not ask him.
[09:40] <Laney> hmm
[09:40] <Laney> why didn't infinity's force-skiptest for upstart stick?
[09:40] <cjwatson> What I mean is that rather than wasting the UbuntuKylin people's time with intermediate comments, I'd rather they just saw their build land.
[09:41] <Laney> W: [Fri Aug 30 09:20:51 2013] - Overriding force-skiptest[upstart] = ('1.9.1-0ubuntu3', 'adconrad', 'None') with ('1.10-0ubuntu1', 'adconrad', 'None')
[09:41] <Laney> W: [Fri Aug 30 09:20:51 2013] - Overriding force-skiptest[upstart] = ('1.10-0ubuntu1', 'adconrad', 'None') with ('1.9.1-0ubuntu5', 'stgraber', 'None')
[09:41] <Laney> hah
[09:41] <cjwatson> Which should hopefully happen in a bit now.
[09:41] <cjwatson> Laney: mm, yeah, delete the old-versioned hint
[09:42] <Laney> already done
[09:42] <cjwatson> stupid code, my fault :)
[09:42] <Laney> well, modulo merging
[09:42] <phillw> so would they :) and ...
[09:42] <phillw> (10:36:42) phillw: maclin: they are now rebuilding
[09:42] <phillw> (10:40:02) maclin: phillw, thanks
[09:43]  * Laney renames self to zzzzzlaney
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Laney, do it then
[09:43] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:58] <mlankhorst> boy the archive admins are fast, llvm-toolchain-3.2 no longer in main for saucy :)
[10:01] <xnox> =)))) lolz
[10:02] <Laney> upstart went in
[10:04] <xnox> jodh: ^ \o/
[10:05] <jodh> Laney: yah - thanks
[10:05] <jodh> yay even :)
[10:06] <jamespage> Laney, jodh: my fix for mysql tested OK locally - uploaded so should not block in future...
[10:06] <Laney> jamespage: \o/
[10:07] <Laney> did you use the VM based stuff to test it?
[10:07] <Laney> run-adt-test
[10:07] <Laney> thanks for caring about tests :-)
[10:12] <jamespage> Laney, yes
[10:12] <Laney> neat
[10:12] <jamespage> still takes about 1.5 hrs to run on my laptop with SSD and multi-core
[10:13] <jamespage> and its running in /dev/shm as well
[10:13] <jamespage> blimey
[10:13] <jamespage> thats a full regression test suite and a half
[12:17] <micahg> Laney: phillw: had an early night, finishing up now
[12:20] <Riddell> what's the name of the core package set?
[12:20] <Riddell> this doesn't work   ./edit-acl query -P ubuntu-core-dev -S saucy
[12:23] <micahg> I think it's just core
[12:24] <Riddell> ah hah, thanks
[12:28] <micahg> ScottK: you mentioned you'd ACK Bug #1218763 ?
[12:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218763 in goffice (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update gnumeric to upstream version 1.12.6 and goffice to 0.10.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218763
[12:31] <micahg> haha, onlyjob just uploaded to Debian, I think I'll just grab from there
[12:59] <ScottK> micahg: Ack'ed.
[13:04] <stgraber> cjwatson: so sounds like I messed up the case where a product fails to build? weird that we never had that happen before. I'll take a look at what's happening in that case (I think the state should be set as done even on failure as the rebuild was processed)
[13:06] <micahg> phillw: Laney: done with goffice/gnumeric, will try to keep an eye on it
[13:06] <smartboyhw> ScottK, according to the procedure on wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess, that should have been an Triaged;P
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Anyhow
[13:07] <ScottK> OK.  Feel free to change it.
[13:07] <smartboyhw> ScottK, I can't anyway
[13:07] <micahg> too late, already sync'd :)
[13:07] <smartboyhw> micahg, well, it isn't a problem anyway
[13:10] <cyphermox> hi, I uploaded network-manager yesterday, and autopkgtests seem to be failing -- I'm just been debugging this with pitti and it looks as though it may still be an issue related to dbus 1.6.12-0ubuntu5 -- downgrading it, tests begin passing again
[13:11] <cyphermox> would it be possible to ignore the tests results?  ^^
[13:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: That's what it looked like; there was a limit to how much I could investigate from my end, but the status was definitely 3
[14:16] <stgraber> infinity: hey, was it you who re-enabled proposed for the precise builds? if so, you missed all the desktop images ;)
[14:16] <stgraber> infinity: just noticed as ara was wondering why the current dailies didn't include the proposed initramfs-tools
[14:16]  * stgraber fixes
[14:18] <xnox> stgraber: thank you!
[14:41] <maclin> cjwatson, the amd64 image of ubuntukylin is ready, but the i386 image is not.  Is there any error during building?
[14:43] <cjwatson> maclin: The logs are all public
[14:43] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/saucy/ubuntukylin/  and  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntukylin/saucy/
[14:43] <cjwatson> (sorry that the bits of those URLs are in opposite orders - historical mistake)
[14:44] <cjwatson> It's possible I confused it by accidentally re-requesting two i386 builds at once
[14:45] <maclin> cjwatson, you mean it is still building?
[14:45] <cjwatson> No, I think I broke it by mistake
[14:45] <cjwatson> I was manually poking the database ...
[14:46] <cjwatson> It's certainly not still building
[14:46] <JackYu> cjwatson, wow, so you will rebuild one?
[14:46] <cjwatson> I'm just going to do another one by hand
[14:46] <cjwatson> Actually, I should be able to do it in the tracker, one moment
[14:47] <JackYu> cjwatson, thanks:)
[15:28] <doko> binutils (<IP_ADDRESS>30727-1ubuntu1 to <IP_ADDRESS>30828-1ubuntu1)
[15:28] <doko> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core developers
[15:28] <doko> Not touching package due to block request by laney (contact #ubuntu-release if update is needed)
[15:28] <doko> Not considered
[15:28] <doko> Laney, ?
[15:28] <Laney> beta 1 freeze
[15:28] <doko> ahh
[15:29] <doko> which is unfortunate, hmm, will have to copy this to a ppa for the test rebuild
[15:35] <ScottK> doko: It's only Friday, I don't think it's a big deal to unblock it if it's important.
[15:41] <chiluk> can I get some love from an sru-team member for curl and apt that are currently sitting on the upload queue for p,q,r ?
[15:41] <chiluk> bdmurray already sponsored the upload. *thanks btw
[15:43] <bdmurray> chiluk: they should wait 7 days after being verified unless there is some real hurry
[15:44] <chiluk> today is day 7
[15:44] <bdmurray> chiluk: oh you meant reviewing them not releasing, sorry
[15:44] <chiluk> bdmurray it's still sitting in the upload queue... hasn't been released to proposed yet.
[15:49] <chiluk> bdmurray it's still sitting in unapproved.. iirc, you need someone else to approve it since you sponsored it right?
[15:50] <bdmurray> chiluk: yes, we generally prefer that.
[15:51] <bdmurray> infinity: could you have a look at those uploads?
[15:53] <chiluk> bdmurray, also doesn't curl need to be approved and built before apt can be built right?
[15:54] <chiluk> because of the new builddeb on the latest curl for apt..
[15:54] <chiluk> or is launchpad smart enough to hold off on the apt build until curl has completed.
[15:55] <cjwatson> maclin,JackYu: looks better now (belatedly)
[16:00] <JackYu> cjwatson :)
[16:37] <jamespage> hey - could the ceph upload for raring be reject please - I have another bug I'd like to squash alongside the point release
[16:44] <stgraber> jamespage: done
[16:44] <jamespage> stgraber, thanks
[17:27] <chiluk> stgraber can I get the uploads for p,q,r curl and apt approved?  currently sponsored, but stuck in queue.  fyi apt has a new builddeb on the new version of curl.
[17:31] <infinity> stgraber: Did I really?    I didn't even notice those were still two-parter lines.
[18:39] <slangasek> stgraber: ^^ don't worry about curl/apt, I'm working on it (#-devel)
[18:41] <stgraber> ok
[19:32] <adam_g> any SRU members able to accept the openstack updates into raring-proposed? (cinder, glance, keystone, horizon, nova, quantum)  i'd love to get them verified and released before upcoming CVEs start getting released against whats in -updates
[19:33] <micahg-work> can someone please unblock goffice/gnumeric
[20:28] <cyphermox> Laney: hey
[21:49] <sergiusens> can anyone get https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/click/0.4.0 published?
[21:49] <sergiusens> stgraber: ? ^^
[21:49] <sergiusens> released*
[21:52] <stgraber> sergiusens: it's currently blocked by the Beta1 block that Laney put in place
[21:52] <stgraber> sergiusens: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[21:53] <stgraber> Laney: I'll release a bunch of touch related packages since they're not affected by beta1 and not seeded outside of ubuntu-touch. Would be great if you could update your block accordingly.
[21:55] <sergiusens> stgraber: thanks
[21:56] <stgraber> letting through system-image, click and click-apparmor
[22:01] <infinity> stgraber: eglibc totally qualifies as touch-only, right?
[22:04] <stgraber> infinity: sure ;) to be honnest I'm not really sure why the block is already in place, I'd have expected it to be put in place on Monday but whatever
[22:05] <stgraber> I guess we've usually been late at putting the block in place, so maybe we're trying to balance it out by being early for once :)
[22:07] <jdstrand> stgraber: fyi, apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu is also touch only
[22:07] <jdstrand> I will be uploading a new one of those in a minute
[22:08] <infinity> stgraber: Well, I still hope to get this eglibc verified to my satisfaction and convince someone that 2 days after FF is "close enough" over the weekend, but we'll see. :)
[22:09] <infinity> Just one last patch to rebase, and one last testsuite failure to effin' figure out and commit an upstream fix for.
[22:10] <infinity> If my laptop would stop locking up (thanks, i915 developers, you guys are AWESOME), this would go better.
[22:10] <stgraber> jdstrand: unblock lines are per-version, so until it's on proposed-migration I can't see the version number and so can't let it through
[22:10] <cjwatson> or just have jdstrand tell you the version in advance ...
[22:10] <stgraber> that works too :)
[22:12] <infinity> Maybe it's time for me to spend a few hundred dollars on a decently-beefy build server I can slap under my desk headless and stop abusing my laptop.
[22:13] <stgraber> or just rent one, I hear there's a company in Germany with cheap Haswell servers
[22:13] <infinity> stgraber: Hah.  Yeah.  I'd use my current co-lo machine, but it's way slower than my laptop.
[22:13] <infinity> stgraber: I'm still considering the move.  The latency (and worse, bandwidth) between them and I wasn't stellar, but maybe I can cope.
[22:14] <infinity> mosh does generally cover up the ineractive latency issues, at least.
[22:14] <infinity> s/ineractive/interactive/
[22:15] <jdstrand> stgraber: fyi, apparmor-easyprof 1.0.25 uploaded. it isn't critical or anything. I just saw you let the others go through and thought I'd mention this one
[22:15] <stgraber> the latency doesn't bother me that much actually, I only notice it when I fly to Europe and wonder why my shell feels weird all of a sudden
[22:15] <micahg-work> can someone please unblock goffice/gnumeric
[22:16] <stgraber> bandwidth based on what you measured last time is pretty bad, not sure what kind of crappy routes it's going through for you... though for a build machine, good bandwidth to Canonical DC is probably more important than good bandwidth to your place
[22:16] <stgraber> jdstrand: ok, I'll add an unblock for it
[22:16] <infinity> stgraber: Yeah, it's more about bandwidth to normal people, because it also hosts websites.
[22:17] <infinity> stgraber: (Which is why the "just put it on an ipv6 tunnel and get better routes" solution isn't a solution)
[22:19] <micahg-work> please unblock goffice 0.10.6-1 and gnumeric 1.12.6-1 (didn't realize I need to give versions :))
[22:21] <stgraber> micahg-work: done
[22:21] <micahg-work> thanks
[22:21]  * micahg-work disappears
[22:24] <phillw> thanks stgraber :)
[22:33] <phillw> stgraber: btw, did you get to the bottom of the problem with -kylin not building?
[22:36] <stgraber> phillw: I know what the problem is, but I haven't got around to fixing it, probably next week
[22:37] <phillw> stgraber: okies, once the cron is suspended on monday, would it impact any of the teams asking for / agreeing to a respin?
[22:39] <stgraber> so long as their product builds, no
[22:40] <stgraber> and since we've only had that problem happen once in the past 2 months, it's doubtful it'll happen again this week (especially with the soft freeze in place)


[10:52] <drakonslayor> hi wondering if someone can help me out
[10:54] <drakonslayor> trying to increase the txpower on my wifi card with iwconfig mon0 txpower #... with no result, it doesn't tell it is or isn't a command and there seems to be no change in the txpower dBm
[10:54] <drakonslayor> any ideas?